2020-12-28

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324102 bucky99, replying to bucky99, 7, #1 of 1153 🔗

Morning!

324104 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to bucky99, 1, #2 of 1153 🔗

Silver!

324106 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #3 of 1153 🔗

Hold on, what am I then? 🙂 (bronze I suppose but it was close! Busy for the time of day)
Deary me, I really must stop staying up so late breaking those horrible “rules”!

324105 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to bucky99, 6, #4 of 1153 🔗

Hiya!

Not anything to do with Buckie Thistle or Brandybuck is it?

Meriadoc would’ve relished all this wouldn’t he, and scoured the shire(s) and swepped away all those horrible pettifogging rules. Though whether they were any worse off in the shire when he returned there than we are in our shires is an (ent)moot point.

324107 ▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to Hugh, 9, #5 of 1153 🔗

Would be nice if there were to be a similar uprising across our Shires… and finally get us rid of Wormtongue & co!

324109 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to bucky99, 23, #6 of 1153 🔗

A Whitless Wormtongue, Unbalanced Saruman and Boris Sauron.

If only the shires can be made to realise that they don’t need to take all this any more. I hope the “banning” of Christmas and New Year festivities will chip away at the collective madness that’s descended on us. I suppose that’s why they’ve ramped up the fear propaganda, because that’s what they’re worried about…will they really willingly set us free in a few months when more people have been vaccinated?

324108 Allen, replying to Allen, 57, #7 of 1153 🔗

ICU bed’s overflowing is a hoax. Here in the US it’s an artifact of manipulation of definitions and elimination of context. Media whores all of them who report these lies.

1) Increased ICU usage is normal this time of the year;

2) Many hospitals shuttered in the last 10 years all over the States combined with an increase in population (aging as well) resulting in fewer beds per capita;

3) ICU beds “available” depends on staff available. Staff has been reduced due to furloughs and school closures. School closures alone have reduced staff by 16% in California for example;

4) States have mandated that records be altered to show “available” beds only reflect the beds that can be staffed. So for example if you have 100 ICU beds with only 90 staff to work that bed (assuming one staff per bed in this example) and have 90 patients you must record that you are 100% full even though you have 10% of your beds available- which is normal capacity. No mention of WHY those beds can’t be staffed.

These are the facts on the ground here in the States- Another Covid 1984 Mini-Truth.

This year’s seasonal virus was re-branded as Covid 19 on the back of a redefinition of what a ‘pandemic’ was by the WHO at the bequest of its financiers.

This unlocked access to financial incentive programs that were large enough to bail out every failing economy. The bailouts come with costs.

The IMF and World Bank will give you whatever money you need to “support” your country through this manufactured crisis on condition of:

– you do what we say;

– you test, track and chip everyone;

– you tell our story via your media;

– you pay us back at some time- with interest;

In the future that payback will be a currency reset and global governance.

Covid 19 is the final heist to strip all value out of the world in an effort by the creditors to consolidate what they believe they are owed. They want everything.

We are all collateral damage.

Rudolf Steiner Quote:

“As you know, in regard to some things human life changes; but certain basic nuances of human life remain unchanged through many ages, don’t they? For example, in the Middle Ages a certain fear prevailed, a fear that today is considered the rankest medieval superstition. That is the fear of so-called ghosts, the fear of all sorts of elemental beings, and in particular of ghosts. Of course, nowadays this fear is considered a typical medieval superstition. However, although by now the subject of the fear is different, the fear itself is still with us. That is, just as in medieval times people were afraid of ghosts so they are now afraid of a different kind of ghost, of so-called bacteria and similar entities. We could even say that ghosts were in a way respectable, formidable, and intimidating beings, and thus more frightening for people than the entities we now call bacteria and the like.

And really, the only thing that has changed is that back then people were more spiritually inclined, and were afraid of spiritual elemental beings. These days people tend to be more materialistic, and so the ghosts they fear must be physical ones. That fits better with this age of materialism. . .”

—Rudolf Steiner, Our Dead: Memorial, Funeral, and Cremation Addresses1906–1924

324112 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Allen, 28, #8 of 1153 🔗

And what’s the betting that when Biden takes control, all these covid cases will disappear, hospital numbers will normalise and he will be feted as the new messiah.

324118 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Girl down Under, 14, #9 of 1153 🔗

I wish I’d had that regional ICU bed usage to show the senior medic who last week told me that our major regional hospital and two neighbouring ones were ‘overwhelmed with Covid’ (which I knew to be inaccurate).

324138 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 65, #10 of 1153 🔗

One thing we’ve noticed with this bullshit is how much so called health care professionals will lie. They are all liars. They all say they know a hospital overwhelmed someplace, it’s never their hospital mind but a hospital in Brigadoon. They’ve heard about the mythical overwhelmed hospital from their mate who works in the ICU of the Camelot Trust or and A&E department of Shangri-La District General so it’s true and anyway don’t argue with them because they’re profession people and risking their usually unhealthy fat asses paid for with money stolen from my fucking pocket. They live in Xanadu and we fucking pay for it.

324149 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Biker, 15, #11 of 1153 🔗

A state-funded pleasure dome!

324234 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to karenovirus, 14, #12 of 1153 🔗

Update on 27 December

We can confirm that sadly five patients, who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital. They were two women; one in her 80s and the other in her 90s and three men; one in his 60s, one in his 70s and one in his 80s. All had underlying health conditions.

Update on 26 December

We can confirm that sadly five patients, who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital. They were two men in their 80s, a woman in her 50s and a man in his 70s, all with underlying health conditions; and a man in his 70s, who did not have any underlying health conditions.

Update on 24 December

We can confirm that sadly two men, one in his 80s and one in his 90s, both with underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19 have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 23 December

We can confirm that a woman in her 90s with underlying health conditions, who had tested positive for Covid-19, has passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 22 December

We can confirm that sadly a man and a woman, both in their 70s and with underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19 have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 21 December

We can confirm that a man in his 60s with no underlying health conditions, who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 20 December

We can confirm that sadly a man in his 70s and a man in his 80s who both had underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 19 December

We can confirm that sadly a woman in her 90s with underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19, has passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 18 December

We can confirm that sadly three patients who had underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital. They were two men and a woman, all in their 80s.

Update on 16 December

We can confirm that sadly four patients, who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital. They were a woman in her 50s, and three men; two in their 90s and one in his 70s. They all had underlying health conditions.

Update on 15 December

We can confirm that sadly a man in his 70s with underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19, has passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 14 December

We can confirm that sadly a man in his 80s with underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19, has passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 13 December

We can confirm that sadly five patients who had underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital. They were a woman in her 80s, a woman in her 90s, a woman aged over 100 years, a man in his 70s and a man in his 80s.

With a few exceptions, all are elderly with underlying conditions.
No information on current bed occupancy.

324332 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to LMS2, 3, #13 of 1153 🔗

Drip drip drip, the editorial style is different but torpor is still clearly the intention

324453 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to LMS2, 6, #14 of 1153 🔗

It could be of course that the man in his 60s without underlying health conditions tested positive after he shot himself, or drowned, or died due to injurious sustained in a car accident, or fell of a ladder?

324505 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to LMS2, 4, #15 of 1153 🔗

Why weren’t they sad on 21 & 23 December? Maybe those were ones they were glad to get rid of

324543 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to LMS2, 2, #16 of 1153 🔗

Funny, there are no reports of covid in Norfolk&Norwich in the NOIDS report for those dates.

324736 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to LMS2, 1, #17 of 1153 🔗

Proof that with covid you can die more than once

324726 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, #19 of 1153 🔗

We have to be on our toes every minute to derail this bullshit.

324133 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Girl down Under, 36, #20 of 1153 🔗

How can any serious person vote for a man like Joe Biden? lol. He’s so fucking stupid he makes an SNP supporter blush

324136 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 8, #21 of 1153 🔗

What happens if he keels over before inauguration, does the box ticking VP elect take over or is the election run again ?

324141 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 16, #22 of 1153 🔗

Don’t worry the dumb as fuck leftists have it covered, they’ve got a human of colour called Richard Harris to keep the standard of stupidity high all ready to go. SheHe/It used to be a bit of a drinker and made a porno film with Native Indians and nipple hooks so you never know maybe it’ll work out fine. After all the last thing we want is people who make money from their own enterprise, we need people skilled at lifting the money from your bank account and giving it to themselves and the rigged fixed election has provided the dumb leftist the opportunity to fill their boots. Personally i can’t wait fo the dumb lefties to be out in the street protesting about the latest war the progressive inclusive lefties have started. How they lie to themselves is always a mystery to me.

324241 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to karenovirus, 22, #23 of 1153 🔗

Kamala Harris takes over. Probably sooner rather than later.
That’s the plan. They’ve referred to the Harris-Biden administration on more than one occasion.

Harris had to drop out right at the beginning of the Democrat primaries as she couldn’t muster any voter support. Biden came fifth with about 15% of the votes, though none of the candidates really inspired the voters apart from Bernie Sanders.
The two of them are the least inspiring candidates in a very long time, yet were supposed to believe that voters came out in record numbers to give them 81 million votes, more than the sainted Obama.

Yeah. Sure. Right.

324243 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to LMS2, 27, #24 of 1153 🔗

2020 election by county. Red is Trump. Blue is Biden.

324424 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to LMS2, 1, #25 of 1153 🔗

Wow….. where is that information from please? Thank you.

324631 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ 10navigator, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 1, #26 of 1153 🔗

Check out Newsmax, Epoch Times or One America News Network. Breitbart US too. UK MSM will never report any of it.

324746 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to LMS2, 1, #27 of 1153 🔗

The Reds have it!

324835 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to LMS2, #28 of 1153 🔗

Looks like he won hands down where there wasn’t many people.

324545 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #29 of 1153 🔗

He’s just a place-holding puppet.

324151 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Girl down Under, 7, #30 of 1153 🔗

Some such situation has been predicted widely. It is a possible scenario. I don’t think this is a ball they can keep in the air forever and by the time of the inauguration it will be roughly eight or nine weeks to the Northern Hemisphere spring, when respiratory-type ailments tend to start going down, just as they tend to go up in autumn and winter.

324226 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Girl down Under, 5, #31 of 1153 🔗

More likely to impose nationwide mask mandate and lockdown.

324335 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to LMS2, 3, #32 of 1153 🔗

Parliament would have to vote if they called it National lockdown.

324721 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Girl down Under, #33 of 1153 🔗

Beijing Biden the new Messiah? Who woulda thunk it?

324724 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #34 of 1153 🔗

We are either Enablers or Disablers. Take your pick.

324734 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #35 of 1153 🔗

Do not resuscitate=Palliative care=Euthanasia.

324119 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Allen, 18, #36 of 1153 🔗

“This year’s seasonal virus was re-branded as Covid19 . . .” as predicted here and elsewhere months ago in order to produce their ‘second spike’.

324218 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Allen, 9, #37 of 1153 🔗

Question: just exactly where does the World Bank and IMF get its money from in the first place, that they can make demands on countries on how they handle CV19? Is it the famous MMT: Modern Monetary Theory/Magic Money Tree?

324229 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to LMS2, 3, #38 of 1153 🔗

They (it, really) are funded and OWNED by the governments of the 180 countries who are its members.

324223 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Allen, 2, #39 of 1153 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YRm6k4X3lFg
Tim Pool: TikTok Dancing Nurses MOCKING US, Like Dancing At A Funeral, Fauci Admits To LYING AGAIN

324110 Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 71, #40 of 1153 🔗

Mainstream media is complicit in this fiasco, generating hysteria with its virtual signalling claptrap, unbalanced reporting and deliberate attempts to confuse. Beautiful morning on the beaches today and lovely to see families in the water, in the sun, surfing and relaxing. At the press conference concern was raised by a reporter about ‘the numbers’ on the beaches. Not asking how many people are in hospital. There is 1 in NSW not in intensive care. 25 Australia wide not in intensive care. Hmmm, that’s about 1 in a million. Their segments each night contain random interviews with the general population who respond along the lines of keeping ‘safe’. Never mind the civil rights of people being swiftly and irrevocably eviscerated. I doubt they would ever air my comment that ‘this is the greatest scam perpetrated on mankind’.

324122 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Girl down Under, 43, #41 of 1153 🔗

There were the same complaints in UK during the summer about covidiots invading, swarming, swamping beaches and public parks even though it resulted in zero extra cases.

324132 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 39, #42 of 1153 🔗

Yes, Tenby’s zombies looked on holidaymakers as hand grenades with the pin out. The rest of us cheerfully ministered to their wants and needs as far as we were able.
Nothing happened.

324306 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Annie, 7, #43 of 1153 🔗

Yes, and the same here in Dorset and in the SW generally!

324231 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 8, #44 of 1153 🔗

Sometimes critics of the BS seem downhearted by all the people taken in by the fear campaign. Yet looking at comments by a lot of these can be morale-boosting – for them, there are too damn many people not running around thinking the sky is going to fall, and this upsets them.

324554 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Waldorf, 2, #45 of 1153 🔗

Yes. All those biohazards invading Bournemouth – which only moved into Tier 2 in the recent scam.

324249 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to karenovirus, 20, #46 of 1153 🔗

Just like all those BLM protests which the governments in several countries considered to be of greater importance than the risk from CV19.
That’s when anyone with an ounce of common sense should have realised that it’s all a scam.

324750 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to LMS2, 1, #47 of 1153 🔗

Could’ve should’ve didn’t.

325204 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to LMS2, 1, #48 of 1153 🔗

yes, that’s when the penny dropped for me: that and the spate of government members and their henchmen worldwide flouting the rules they had imposed on the rest of us. that was the time when I realised we were being scammed.

324171 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 3, #49 of 1153 🔗

Oopsy daisy, should read virtue signalling not virtual signalling. 😆

324288 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Girl down Under, 18, #50 of 1153 🔗

“virtual signalling” is when people wear a face nappy in a zoom call.

324751 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Girl down Under, #51 of 1153 🔗

Zoom=Virtual signalling.

324111 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 123, #52 of 1153 🔗

So if we apply the logic regarding the NHS to a private company, then you blame your inefficiencies, staffing levels, managerial incompetencies on your clients – not our fault gov, it’s those damn customers. What warped sense of administration is this when the whole of society is expected to lose their way of life, their businesses, the children their education, because an over paid, over indulged bureaucratic monster such as the NHS is no longer fit for purpose. This creature is now worse than the banking system, too big to fail and for some reason beyond criticism and is truly becoming some adored cult.
It is supposed to be serving the public, not the public sacrificed to serve it. With the NHS now allowed to be as useless as it desires, and the warped reversal of responsibility,that is the more inefficient it becomes the more the public’s need for healthcare must be punished, even to the extent it has stolen the private healthcare, its performance will only get worse.

324123 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hattie, 17, #53 of 1153 🔗

The same bureaucratic monster that ran away to WFH leaving the frontline staff to it only to emerge months later to impose a slurry of new rules to emphasize their own importance.

324174 ▶▶ TC, replying to Hattie, 38, #54 of 1153 🔗

Absolutely right.
When the Falklands War was on, I remember how upset the nation was at the sinking of HMS Sheffield but public opinion in favour of that war did not seem to waver; a fisherman customer of mine said, “It’s sad but that’s what they’re for” which I thought was harsh but he was right.
This is what the NHS is for so they should get on with it.
It really does feel like tail wagging dog at times.

324264 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to TC, 36, #55 of 1153 🔗

This NHS worship was imposed on us from the government, and from some numpties on social media.
The handclapping and cheering every Thursday smacked too much of communist-style propaganda for me. We didn’t join in, but our next-door neighbours did. They have a Tesla, and their 11 year-old son is joining in the push to become vegan or vegetarian. I’m saying nothing else.

324280 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to LMS2, 16, #56 of 1153 🔗

If you think back to the London Olympics, suddenly we were given the NHS to worship as a national treasure, for all the world to see put there by the leftist organisers set up by Bliar with the blessing of call me Dave Camoron. Boris is doing the same on steroids to try and capture votes with his undying support. Hes wasting his fucking time. The likes of Pantsdown and most of the NHS senior management are card carrying communists, so Boris is feeding the monster in the impossible hope that somehow they will support him. It shows how clueless and political naive he really is and the rest of this so called Tory government are.

324754 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to iansn, 2, #57 of 1153 🔗

Boris is a Commie enabler?

324759 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #58 of 1153 🔗

It is time to ridicule, mock, denounce, demonize and satirize the morons who are wrecking our world. Don’t write polite letters anymore. Be creative, be unpredictable, be sarcastic.

325245 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to iansn, #59 of 1153 🔗

Boris is a lifelong eugenicist just like his father and Bill Gates.

324885 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to LMS2, #60 of 1153 🔗

And globally inspired Public Health England.

325216 ▶▶▶▶ scepticScot, replying to LMS2, #61 of 1153 🔗

I’m vegan for health reasons. Doesn’t mean I agree with any of the manmade global warming guff … yet another money-grubbing industry!

Anyone else finding trying to type a comment here (from a phone) a very slow stuttery nightmare – or is it just my poor cell signal?

324208 ▶▶ mikec, replying to Hattie, 37, #62 of 1153 🔗

You’re spot on Hattie, if my boss came to me and said we were failing and had to improve our performance the last two things I’d do is blame the customers and ask for more investment. I’d be expected to rationalise services, improve efficiencies and cut unnecessary steps in our processes.

When talking to people about the failed NHS I often relate my most recent experience at hospital, turn up on time having travelled 2 hours to get there (25 miles from my home?) and was asked, can I ask your marital status, can I ask your religion, can I ask your ethnicity, can I ask your sexual identification (?). Obviously answered no to each as none of them are relevant to my diagnosis/treatment. The problem for me comes when it took 3 minutes to ask and input the data, when you multiply this by the millions of people they see every year it’s wasted thousands of days of time collecting useless data. Add to it the meaningless jobs created to ‘analyse’ the data and you hit the efficiency jackpot. No wonder the NHS employs over a million staff.

324261 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to mikec, 11, #63 of 1153 🔗

They collect that data so that some minister can answer an MPs question about such things.

Having spent some time doing data analysis in the NHS, producing reports, etc, all of those data points you’ve mentioned were of complete and absolute irrelevance. We never recorded them in pathology, except the occasional transgender patient really threw up some screwed up path results which were difficult to interpret because of the hormones they were taking.

324324 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to mikec, 5, #64 of 1153 🔗

Yes interesting thought. On the basis of 10 million patients being asked those same questions, I make it 57 person-work-years wasted!!

324467 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to mikec, 14, #65 of 1153 🔗

It’s not just the data collection either. The inefficiency is everywhere. Even when you are supposedly under the care of a consultant you are more likely to be seeing the registrar and as likely as not a different registrar each time. This means that you waste half the time recapping your case notes with them through their lack of preparation. To boot they also treat you like an idiot for the most part. On the third occasion this happened to me I verbally reamed (politely) out the registrar for their lack of preparation, pointing out that as a consultant engineer I would not dream of turning up to a client site on a return visit without having first fully prepared with a review of the “case notes”. My clients are not paying me to have them regurgitate the same material on each visit.

324747 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #66 of 1153 🔗

You met them too???

To be fair I’ve found the hardest part is getting past the GP (and before him/her the receptionists) at least some of the hospital octoirs seem to know a bit about medicine

324658 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mikec, 1, #67 of 1153 🔗

The cost of asking/inputting/analysing the data all pale into insignificance next to the cost of building the systems that handle it.

324339 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Hattie, 10, #68 of 1153 🔗

Fantastic post, Hattie! You have truly nailed down the utter absurdity of the NHS. Splendidly put. If I may add one thing

‘This creature is now worse than the banking system, too big to fail and for some reason beyond criticism and is truly becoming some adored cult.’

It seems to me that the NHS’ cult status is well and truly established, my friend.

324345 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Hattie, 11, #69 of 1153 🔗

Yes in business we worry about 1. The customer is always right and 2. how do we maintain our profit margin. So the question always being asked is what are you adding to the project? If we are overloaded with non productive staff the hourly rate for our staff would be so high we could not make a profit and our tender price would mean we would win no contracts. So the ratio of non chargeable staff is always lower that the engineers, software guys, production etc. If you look at a project you have on average 30 productive chargeable staff and two non. Now let’s look at the NHS…… oh dear!

325174 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to Hattie, 4, #70 of 1153 🔗

It is supposed to be serving the public, not the public sacrificed to serve it.

I’m afriad it’s much worse than that. It exists to disable and kill people, and this was the case before the pandemic. I have mountains of medical records, complaints, ombudsmans, GMC cases, policy and legal documents here to prove that. They have literally written policy to kill people. I fully intended to take my case to judicial review, but I don’t know now. I knew I wasn’t the only victim (had friends whos parents were coerced into DNRs when they were medicated, too), but the beast is so much bigger than I ever could have imagined. Stay away from NHS Scotland at all costs. It’s the communist death camp.

325205 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Hattie, #71 of 1153 🔗

absolutely. the NHS must go.

324113 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 44, #72 of 1153 🔗

I see there’s more on the Orwellian BBC today.

My current complaint of misinformation at the BBC relates to the fact that they are reporting claims that there is not enough evidence to show that vitamin D boosts immunity to viruses (have they even bothered to speak to the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service? I have my doubts) whilst at the same time reporting that the “BAME community” suffer more from cv – presumably due to a lack of vitamin D (they also suffer more from rickets).Notable that reported cv deaths are low in many African countries.

Their coverage of vaccines as the “only way out” of the current extreme restrictions also strikes me as unbalanced (and witless).

324126 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Hugh, 36, #73 of 1153 🔗

On the subject of Vitamin D, I recently received a Facebook post from NHS England extolling the use of Vitamin D as a prophylactic medicine to counter Covid-19. The BBC has clearly not been informed by the Ministry of Truth that the narrative has changed!

324130 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Sceptical Steve, 4, #74 of 1153 🔗

Memory holes not working?

324176 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Sceptical Steve, 6, #75 of 1153 🔗

Which means that without a blush they will change their narrative at some point.

324128 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Hugh, 8, #76 of 1153 🔗

On the subject of vitamin D do we know if there have been any studies to establish the vitamin D levels of people who have died of Covid or who have suffered serious covid? I do take some vitamin supplements especially in the winter time but I have no idea whether or not I need to do so? I guess to assess vitamin levels you would need to carry out a full blood test?

324139 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #77 of 1153 🔗

If there are, I haven’t heard of them. Over to the experts…

I have heard that, of the “healthy” who have died of Covid, quite a lot could reasonably be described as obese. I would guess that the number of under 60’s who are genuinely healthy (not obese, take vitamin supplements etc., have a good diet including plenty of raw fruit and veg, get exercise, and so on) who have died of Covid is vanishingly small.

Certainly, some may need to take more vitamins than others, and it migbt be helpful to talk to a good, nutritionally trained doctor (many doctors know little about nutritional medicine, apparently).

A good start might be to look at this page from the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service.

orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n04.shtml

324156 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Hugh, 10, #78 of 1153 🔗

Likely to be the case, although obesity is endemic in many places so it makes a lot of people vulnerable. Certainly on closer examination many media stories about younger people dying turn out to concern someone who was not that healthy to begin with.

324271 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #79 of 1153 🔗

You do need to take Vitamin D in winter. It does help boost your immune system, and will help to maintain bone density.
I also found that my hair fell out at an alarming rate when I became VitD deficient, so there’s another reason for taking it.

324353 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to LMS2, 7, #80 of 1153 🔗

Conditions caused/made worse by vitamin D deficiency include osteoporosis, tooth decay. Now we seem to know that it can cause diabetes, high blood pressure and a range of conditions you don’t want, maybe even MS.

I think it verges on criminal negligence that most healthcare systems and governments ignore it.

Finland is an honourable exception. It has fortified some common foods and managed to increase the average level in people’s blood to more than the levels measured in southern Europe. The per capita death rate from COVID seems to be about 90% lower than the UK rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Finland#/media/File:COVID-19_Finland_timeline.en.svg

324586 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to John001, 3, #81 of 1153 🔗

Vitamin D has always been a mainstay of the low carb/paleo/primal/keto way of eating but since Dr Atkins was vilified by Big Food/Pharma, so too has promotion of Vitamin D among mainstream health.

324755 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #82 of 1153 🔗

I actually succeeded in getting a test on the NHS. The result took weeks to arrive and then I needn’t have bothered, it was 95 without supplementing. You should have sen the doctor’s face when I said

“That’ll be all the grass-fed butter and cheese then”

Probably also fish and getting out in the sun.

Also NOT taking statins

325186 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Fiona Walker, #83 of 1153 🔗

I have been on a keto diet for a month. Not for weight loss – I have medical problems, and I heard it might help. I have been a chronic low-fat, low-calorie dieter for 14 years. I was obese, and once I lost the weight, I was always terrified of getting fat again so watched what I ate like a hawk.

I can’t believe the difference in one month. The constant pressure in my head is gone and the brain fog and visual migraine is much improved. I had a ‘normal’ 150 carb day just before Christmas, and those symptoms hit me like a lorry with headaches to boot. They retreated again as soon as I resumed the high fat diet.

AND…… and…. I have no cellulite now. I shit you not – my thighs haven’t looked like this since I was 13! (Lost 2 Kg, too, but I am still low-calorie. Not yet convinced I can give up calorie-counting and obsessive weighing).

325062 ▶▶▶▶ mouser, replying to LMS2, #84 of 1153 🔗

Vitamin D3 is very good for those of us who suffer from dry skin, eczema & psoriasis. It was recommended to me by my dermatologist in the 1980’s & cured my psoriasis in 9 months.

324134 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 12, #85 of 1153 🔗

Local press is still at it
“Three more Covid deaths in County”
Turns out to be over two days in a population of 1 million.

“Across England a further 231 people who tested positive for Covid19 have died in hospitals”
Turns out to be from Dec 9th to 26th.

These qualifiers are never adjacent to the scary lead, they are always at least an advert or some other text away and the whole thing is written in such a turgid way you might think the editor only wants readers to skim the headlines.

324147 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 10, #86 of 1153 🔗

In the Richard Condon novel The Manchurian Candidate, Eleanor Iselin is told by her journalist son Raymond Shaw that he plans to denounce her in his newspaper column. She dismisses this, saying most people only read the headlines.

324165 ▶▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to karenovirus, 23, #87 of 1153 🔗

Publishing these ‘covid’ deaths figures is all well and good, but without any context they are absolutely meaningless.
This method of ‘reporting’ the data has been going on from the very start of all this and it drives my engineering brain loopy!
If you ask most people ‘how many people died in the UK yesterday, including ‘covid’ and all other ways’ they wouldn’t have a bloody clue.
More robust reporting would include the total number of deaths, and then list out the numbers attributed to ‘covid’, heart disease, pneumonia, stroke, etc, etc. That would at least allow the general public to see the proportional factor.
But I suppose that would remove the fear factor and sensationalism that MSM thrives on

324169 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PeeDubbya, 15, #88 of 1153 🔗

I believe total mortality averages 1,600 daily of which 450 are from cancer.
A total set to rise as a result of NHS neglect.

324305 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 4, #89 of 1153 🔗

At least 165,000 cancer deaths this year, then… Pandemic!!

324192 ▶▶▶▶ mikec, replying to PeeDubbya, 30, #90 of 1153 🔗

Just before lockdown V1 I was running a training course in a large manufacturing plant. The conversation turned to Covid and one guy asked how many people died each day/year in UK. None of the 15 middle managers on the course knew, I offered the answer and was roundly ridiculed. One guy said it was no more than 20-25 a WEEK! It’s the only time I’ve been thankful for Google, never seen such a roomful of slackjaws when my numbers were corroborated.

A quick set of questions showed that they didn’t know the number of smoker/drinker deaths a day, the population of UK, the number of births a year, UK average life expectancy, it was actually quite worrying that these people were the ‘brains’ of one of the UK’s largest manufacturers. The Government is free to use data however it wishes because the population is generally clueless.

324338 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to mikec, 8, #91 of 1153 🔗

Yes, I’ve found it useful to quote a ‘rule of thumb’ figure of one person dying every minute in UK, and a hundred around the world.

324891 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to mikec, #92 of 1153 🔗

So you know the smoker deaths a day? According to ? Do tell.

324292 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to karenovirus, 9, #93 of 1153 🔗

Tested positive, again misleading, as doesn’t mean they died of it but with it, and then the high rate of false positives. I can expect the fear mongering to go into overdrive in the coming weeks if uptake of their Frankencine is poor.

324254 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Hugh, 2, #94 of 1153 🔗

Dr John Campbell, GP, level headed review of VitD…
https://youtu.be/Bga_qG30JyY

324267 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Hugh, 15, #95 of 1153 🔗

The WHO has very recently changed its information on herd immunity, ie from natural immunity derived from exposure to antigens or from vaccines, to vaccines only. No mention of natural immunity.
That’s blatant propaganda.

324330 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to LMS2, 9, #96 of 1153 🔗

And factually incorrect

324761 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to DomW, #97 of 1153 🔗

Yes when we were young we got measles mumps and chickenpox every week, we never developed immunity. Oh wait. . .

324764 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to LMS2, 2, #98 of 1153 🔗

Whatever they say is propaganda. Gates Foundation sudsidized propaganda.

324114 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 68, #99 of 1153 🔗

I just want to remind everyone that the BBC’s “disinformation reporter”, Marianna Spring, only left university in 2018. How does someone get a job like that with so little experience, I wonder?

324116 ▶▶ chaos, replying to mattghg, 55, #100 of 1153 🔗

Private girls’ school Sutton School – £20k per year fees. Oxford University. Guardian newspaper.. barely in her twenties.. now tells people what to think on the BBC.

324121 ▶▶ Annie, replying to mattghg, 15, #101 of 1153 🔗

Who’s she related to?

324159 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to mattghg, 9, #102 of 1153 🔗

MI5 operative?

324207 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cecil B, 24, #103 of 1153 🔗

That’s what they speculated on UK Column news, given her time in Russia:

https://www.pmb.ox.ac.uk/news/undergraduate-linguist-marianna-spring-becomes-news-reporter-moscow-times

I used to be pro-security services, but 2020 has shattered my opinion of every aspect of the establishment.

324382 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mattghg, 2, #104 of 1153 🔗

“Mariana is currently enrolled on a Russian language course at a university in Yaroslal’ where she is staying with her minders”.

324608 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 1, #105 of 1153 🔗

‘Minders’ being an euphemism (if one’s suspicion re her real talents is correct …).

324767 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #106 of 1153 🔗

Arthur Dent?

324427 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to mattghg, 5, #107 of 1153 🔗

Yes, I tend to agree. I myself worked — externally — for a gov’t news monitoring agency. And I am just so shocked by how bad media manipulation has become this year.

324432 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 10, #108 of 1153 🔗

What is really frightening is she is almost certainly so brainwashed herself that she really believes in her mission to counter ‘disinformation’. But unbelievably incompetent for someone with an ‘elite’ education.

God help us.

324160 ▶▶ dpj, replying to mattghg, 32, #109 of 1153 🔗

I am glad to see Toby picked up on her end of year report actually being used to spread disinformation itself. I don’t think journalism can get any lower than that.

324245 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mattghg, 12, #110 of 1153 🔗

Merely the fact that a publicly funded broadcaster has such a unit is extremely sinister

324252 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mattghg, 5, #111 of 1153 🔗

Family and friends connections?

324313 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mattghg, 6, #112 of 1153 🔗

Mi5 NPC

324576 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Two-Six, 5, #113 of 1153 🔗

The bits you can see are quite attractive, but the mask has probably caused acne and bad breath, so I shall resist the urge to develop a crush.

324887 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ovis, 1, #114 of 1153 🔗

I’ve seen a picture without the mask. Oh no! Oh help! Crush impending.

325066 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ovis, 2, #115 of 1153 🔗

Think of it as an exotic kink.

324358 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mattghg, 8, #116 of 1153 🔗

UK column suggested she may be in the intelligence services

324610 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #117 of 1153 🔗

I’ll repeat, as it is always worth repeating (not having a go, Jonathan) –

EVERY BBC EMPLOYEE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AND STILL IS, VETTED BY MI5.

324117 Viv, replying to Viv, 45, #118 of 1153 🔗

And there’s more proof that the whole vaccination ‘race’ has become the play ball of scientifically illiterate ministers and civil serpents. According to the report in the Telegraph ( here ) they are now thinking about extending the time between the first and second jab (21 days for the mRNA jab, 28 for the Oxford/AstraZeneca one) to 12 weeks. They ‘reassure’ people that ‘everybody will get a jab’, as if we’re all impatient kids who can’t wait to be given that lovely present!
That of course begs the question: what protection does the vaccine really confer if the time span between first and second jab can be altered at will – at the political will of ‘ministers’ to make the UK into the 1st country where all have had ‘Teh Jab’?
To me, this is just another piece in the puzzle showing that the whole covid ‘saga’ was and is determined by politics pure and simple, not by health considerations for the people.

324125 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Viv, 26, #119 of 1153 🔗

Shortly before the Pfizer arrived a BBC R4 interviewer asked The Expert what would happen if someone had one injection but not the second. Expert replied

1. A single injection would be ineffective.

2. There was a window of about 7 days around 21 days following the initial injection for the second to be effective.

324129 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 23, #120 of 1153 🔗

Evidently they asked The Wrong Expert.
Luckily, the zombie animals have no memory of anything the pigs told them more than five minutes ago.

324178 ▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to Annie, 4, #121 of 1153 🔗

The zombies will hear,see and believe what they are lead to believe.

324289 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 6, #122 of 1153 🔗

Wasn’t it Susan Michie of SAGE who tweeted support for the idea a that people just give up the second dose to ensure more are vaccinated? Claiming it would still provide 90% of intended effectiveness?

They pluck this shite from anywhere it seems

324385 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #123 of 1153 🔗

Blair was certainly saying it before Xmas Eve.

324765 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to karenovirus, 3, #124 of 1153 🔗

Proof if any was needed that the UK population are the test subjects

324177 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Viv, 32, #125 of 1153 🔗

In animal health, we do not give the second “booster” before 21days. We only give a series of shots in very young animals because we are worried about interference from maternal antibodies.

That’s in the case of a vaccine, not whatever they are using for CoV-19!

I am extremely skeptical about these new technologies. Humanity imagining itself cleverer than nature always has unintended consequences as biological systems are far more complex than our simple minds can fathom.

324224 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Liewe, 8, #126 of 1153 🔗

Great quote and so so true : “Humanity imagining itself cleverer than nature always has unintended consquences as biological systems are far more complex than our simple minds can fathom.”

324897 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Liewe, #127 of 1153 🔗

Artificial Intelligence.

324124 Annie, replying to Annie, 15, #128 of 1153 🔗

Some time ago, some hero posted a set of newspaper headlines screaming about the NHS being overwhelmed – going back years. Is there any chance it could we posted again?I’d like to send it to my drivelling wanker of an MP.

324143 ▶▶ J Cook, replying to Annie, 69, #129 of 1153 🔗

Hi Annie, attached is the image, it is hard to verify each front page as Google doesn’t make it easy to retrieve them, but finding links to support the sentiment is very easy just by searching some key words. For example –

The Daily Express article (from 8th January 2018) can be found by google searching “ Britain in Grip of Killer Flu ” and it is stored online by PressReader.

NHS crisis: Jeremy Hunt apologises to patients as thousands of non-urgent operations postponed
Independent 3rd January 2018
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-apology-nhs-crisis-patients-non-urgent-operations-care-delayed-latest-a8139556.html

Excess winter deaths in England and Wales highest since 1976
The Guardian 30th November 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/30/excess-winter-deaths-in-england-and-wales-highest-since-1976&nbsp ;

NHS hospitals still in grip of winter crisis, figures show
The Guardian 25th January 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/25/hospitals-still-in-grip-of-winter-crisis-nhs-england-figures-show

Killer flu outbreak is to blame for a 42% spike in deaths in January after 64,000 people died – the highest number since records began
Daily Mail 27th February 2018
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5440785/Killer-flu-outbreak-blame-42-spike-deaths.html&nbsp ;

NHS hospitals ordered to cancel all routine operations in January as flu spike and bed shortages lead to A&E crisis
The Telegraph 3rd January 2018
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/02/nhs-hospitals-ordered-cancel-routine-operations-january/&nbsp ;

UK ‘in grip of worst flu season since 2011’
BBC News 18th January 2018
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42725152&nbsp ;

All the above links are from 2018 regarding the the winter of 2017-18.

Finding links to the NHS being overwhelmed in other years is also easy, for example

Patients and staff being let down by an NHS in crisis
National Health Executive 7th January 2015
https://www.nationalhealthexecutive.com/Health-Care-News/patients-and-staff-being-let-down-by-an-nhs-in-crisis&nbsp ;

NHS intensive care ‘at its limits’ because of staff shortages
The Guardian 29th January 2017
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/29/nhs-intensive-care-at-its-limits-because-of-staff-shortages&nbsp ;

Hospitals at ‘breaking point’ as winter NHS crisis deepens
Independent 11th December 2019 (some months prior to covid hysteria)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-hospitals-boris-johnson-winter-crisis-emergency-beds-a9242961.html &nbsp ;

I could go on and on – but I expect that may be sufficient evidence to highlight how the NHS has a long history of being overwhelmed, and didn’t generate hysteria (or for many people even a slight concern). We must also bear in mind that last winter (2019-20) was a mild winter with lower than average mortality rates, and so comparison needs to be against previous severe winters (such as 2018-19), not simply to last year alone.

I hope this is useful.

324146 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to J Cook, 5, #130 of 1153 🔗

Brilliant, thank you.

324154 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, 16, #131 of 1153 🔗

There’s been stories about NHS in crisis, purple surges etc. for years if memory serves.

And not just the current regime, I seem to remember the mid-Staffordshire hospital scandal under a previous administration, billions wasted under public-private partnerships and computer related reforms that went round in circles and wasted billions.

NHS unionists used to say “save our NHS” and I used to think “change your NHS”. It needs more than just throwing money at it, and other countries are getting better outcomes than us. And they need to start taking nutrition seriously.

324277 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Hugh, 5, #132 of 1153 🔗

This is what annoys me – no constructive criticism of the NHS, why every winter we have the same old story of being overwhelmed. Where is the scandal over 2016 Cygnus exercise which showed their failings in responding to a pandemic, but no intervention or action to address this was taken. Instead we have the warped ideology that the public and society are to be decimated to save an inefficient, bloated, over-funded public non service.

324778 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Hugh, 4, #133 of 1153 🔗

They DO take nutrition seriously. They tell us to eat the most profitable diet so they can prescribe the most profitable drugs as antidotes.

If they make you fat (see aslo, nurses and dieticians) this is good as obese people eat more food by definition and pop their clogs early. If they make you diabetic this is also good as diabetes drugs are among the most profitable, and insulin has gone up by hundreds of percent.

You’d almost think it was a plot but of course that would be a conspiracy theory

324150 ▶▶▶ J Cook, replying to J Cook, 1, #134 of 1153 🔗

Opps one typo in my final sentence, severe winter (such as 2017-18) is what I meant, not 2018-19

324172 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to J Cook, 8, #135 of 1153 🔗

The overloaded NHS, allegedly, is a bread-and-butter doom and gloom story for the newspapers, especially every winter.

324516 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Waldorf, 5, #136 of 1153 🔗

Along with the one about the “winter wonderland” theme park which charges £20 admission and consists of a few fairy lights strung on trees, Santa talking on his mobile phone, and elves standing around smoking.

324607 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Edward, 3, #137 of 1153 🔗

Am I the only one who sees this as a Christmas highlight ? 🙂

Some people just shouldn’t be allowed cars to get there nor money to get in.

324899 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to J Cook, 1, #138 of 1153 🔗

Sensationalism. Their preferred method of informing the public.

324914 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to J Cook, 1, #139 of 1153 🔗

Sir, please consider yourself promoted to Secretary of State for All Media.

324157 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Annie, 6, #140 of 1153 🔗

Here’s one

324158 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 5, #141 of 1153 🔗

And another

324161 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #142 of 1153 🔗

Dates would be helpful

324235 ▶▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to karenovirus, 1, #143 of 1153 🔗

January 2015

324386 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to tonyspurs, #144 of 1153 🔗

Thanks

325190 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #145 of 1153 🔗

“Our NHS Is Dying”

My reply: GOOD!

324184 ▶▶ rose, replying to Annie, 7, #146 of 1153 🔗

There was this one as well from several years …unfortunately not very good quality

324127 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 37, #147 of 1153 🔗

From the main article
‘As many as ten million people . . . are thought to need new or additional mental health support as a direct result of the crisis’

Good luck with that.

Mental health practitioners have told that their work with pre-existing caseloads had been made harder because isolation is the worse thing that can happen with many of their patients.

They have been presented with many new cases of people being driven into suicidal depression as a result of lockdown whom they have no chance of helping.

Managers emerged from WFH to demand that all face to face encounters become mask to mask thus removing the element of empathy necessary for correct diagnosis and reassurance.

324203 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 4, #148 of 1153 🔗

All true however suspect ie know that it is pressure from infection control and health and safety that dictates whether workers WFH or mask up rather than from managers.

324318 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to karenovirus, 5, #149 of 1153 🔗

For the most part it’s the people’s responsibility to be supportive of each other, but they’ve reneged on that responsibility. Calling on “professionals” in this sort of instance is essentially privatisation/nationalisation of the social.

324411 ▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Noumenon, 3, #150 of 1153 🔗

Good point. They have taken our social lives, the connections which keep us sane through natural means.

324131 Biker, replying to Biker, 64, #151 of 1153 🔗

No fucking way two million people will have this so called vaccine by january the 4th or any other day. I have my doubts you’ll be able to find two million people wanting to take this. Like the testing no one will have it. They are lying, straight up bare faced total fucking bullshit lies about these tests, same goes for the up-take of this vaccine. Me mate works in the big hospital near me and he tells me virtually no member of the staff is gonna take it. He knows this because almost everyone of his co-workers tell him. I don’t know how many people will take it but i bet when the whip comes down i don’t think ten percent of the country will have had it. This won’t please the people in charge who’re mentally ill with Munchausen syndrome by proxy and think we’re all sick and need them to save them.

324140 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 18, #152 of 1153 🔗

They have turned the stand alone teaching building at my hospital into a vaccination station* comlete with new fences and Security boxes so I’ll keep an occasional eye on how busy it is.
Probably not very much if the tumbleweed testing station is anything to go by.

* Begs the question, when do they intend to resume medical training ?

324142 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 23, #153 of 1153 🔗

Why bother with medical training? i’ve had better luck treating myself over the years from youtube videos and eating dock leaves. Doctors don’t want you to know that.

324228 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Biker, 3, #154 of 1153 🔗

Could you explain “eating dock leaves”. What is that meant to do?

324251 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to LS99, 5, #155 of 1153 🔗

beneficial if you have eaten too many nettles?

324291 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to LS99, 5, #156 of 1153 🔗

Actually rich in VitC and minerals. Don’t eat to excess though. Dock pie a traditional dish. Times have often been hard, remember. We’ll all be scavenging the fields and hedgerows like Ukrainian peasants in the famine at this rate.

324604 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #157 of 1153 🔗

We lived upon nettles,
While nettles were good
And Waterloo porridge wor t’best on us food.

324263 ▶▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Biker, 8, #158 of 1153 🔗

Many of my daily consultations involve the same people whose problems are on the whole mental and social . Most in previous ages would have seen a priest or have talked to another member of the family. Sadly family structure has been destroyed for many in the last 40 years.

I do see however significant presentations as well, in old and young , in which case dock leaves would not be the appropriate treatment. The art is sorting the wheat from the chaff.

324355 ▶▶▶▶▶ Whats gone wrong, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #159 of 1153 🔗

Don’t know about doc leaves, but fine whisky is a much under-rated medicine imo.

When I started getting into the proper stuff I was told that if you drink the right amount you’ll live forever; the trick is to find the right amount.

324605 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Whats gone wrong, 1, #160 of 1153 🔗

Enjoy your dosage experiments.

324145 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 7, #161 of 1153 🔗

Take the Covvitrain to the vaccination
Station.
Receive the holy snake oil
With elation.
Save
The nation.

324388 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 1, #162 of 1153 🔗

As voiced by Ali G and the Slough massif innit.

324602 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 1, #163 of 1153 🔗

Also begs the question ‘Why security boxes ?!’.

324199 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Biker, 18, #164 of 1153 🔗

There’s no reason to wait until it is fully rolled out either. I don’t see why, once the elderly and mentally incapacitated have had their jab that the rest of the country cannot be contacted in advance – ‘Do you want the vaccine? Yes or No?’

Once everyone has been offered it, then the people have spoken. No fucking about with this drawn out process. Play on.

324216 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Biker, 12, #165 of 1153 🔗

I’m still on the fb group of the area I used to live in (very vibrant part of Leeds inner city). Four GP practices put out a plea for people to urge their over-80s or any that they know, to take the vaccine as they have contacted all such patients and take up has been extremely poor.

324248 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Biker, 14, #166 of 1153 🔗

My practice contacted all those over 80 living at home about the vaccine to arrange appointments . Nearly all were keen to have an appointment . The reasons for this are many but there is little reluctance amongst this age group .

324275 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Peter Thompson, 13, #167 of 1153 🔗

If my mother in law is any example, she’ll take anything the doctor tells her too. Absolute compliance to the man in the white coat. No thinking required

324362 ▶▶▶ Whats gone wrong, replying to Peter Thompson, 5, #168 of 1153 🔗

Interesting observation. I wonder how that will extrapolate as the vaccine becomes more widely available.

Incidentally, are you prepared to say whether you’ll have it?

Genuine question. Were I a doctor (I’m not) and was unprepared to take it I’d be hesitant about recommending it to patients who were in the same or lower balance-of-risk category as me.

324380 ▶▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Whats gone wrong, 18, #169 of 1153 🔗

I only encounter any vaccine scepticism in the working age population . Those over 75 tend to have no doubts about having the vaccine…. they also tend to regard the BBC as an impeccable source of information. There are of course exceptions which any commentator can tell me.

Among medical and nursing staff there is considerable hesistancy and a large minority would rather wait / postpone any decision on having any Covid vaccine.

324575 ▶▶▶▶▶ Whats gone wrong, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #170 of 1153 🔗

Many thanks. Always interesting to have coal-face observations.

324135 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 81, #171 of 1153 🔗

Had a great day of law-breaking yesterday. 8 kids, 9 adults and a dog in my mother-in-law’s house, celebrating the last vestiges of Christmas as it slips away for another year.

Some of the older adults made a vague reference to being “scared of passing on the virus” but zero social distancing or any other bizarre Covid rituals were adhered to. All in all, it was as normal a celebration as I could have wished for.

Family always emerges victorious.

324137 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Scotty87, 12, #172 of 1153 🔗

Were I still in London in my 20s-30s I’m sure I would have been meeting daily with some or all of my many friends from different social circles.
I didn’t care for my London relatives and the others were way down in Cornwall.

324168 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to karenovirus, 12, #173 of 1153 🔗

Let me assure you families in London have been mixing.What the eye doesn’t see etc….

324144 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Scotty87, 9, #174 of 1153 🔗

Three cheers for your family!

324194 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Scotty87, 2, #175 of 1153 🔗

Nice

324148 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #176 of 1153 🔗

Can one of my FS’s tell me how to get a Covid anti body test please?
As a healthy 72 year old, I wouldn’t want to stop a neurotic “WFH’er” from getting his/her “fix”.
PS: question is genuine.

324166 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #177 of 1153 🔗
324180 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), #178 of 1153 🔗

Many thanks.

324211 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #179 of 1153 🔗

I understand the body only creates antibodies for a few weeks after infection so a positive antibody test would not preclude you from the vaccine, at least not for very long. However, loss of antibodies does not mean you are not immune as T cell immunity is believed to be long lasting. I know that T cell immunity can be tested even though the test is a lot more complex BUT I have not been able to source any way of obtaining a private test. If anyone knows of any labs offering this test, please let me know. Is the lack thereof because the governments don’t want individuals to have a good reason to avoid the vaccine? The more digging you do, the more it seems like vaccination of the whole population is the aim. I am not anti vaccine but this apparent agenda is very worrying.

324255 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Van Allen, 3, #180 of 1153 🔗

Won’t vaccination of the whole population increase prevalence? As having it doesn’t stop you catching or transmitting the virus however infected individuals will be swanning about symptomless where previously they’d be holed up in bed.

324270 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #181 of 1153 🔗

I can only assume that if they’re asymptomatic then they’re not burdening the sainted NHS.

324412 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #182 of 1153 🔗

That is what is supposed to be so scary about Covid mutant .1, people contract the virus but show no symptoms (ie not unwell) so “infected individuals will be swanning about symptomless . . .”

The Horror.

324775 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 1, #183 of 1153 🔗

Oh even Better the BBC are bullshitting that this new strain affects the young. God how I wish I could blow that place up!

324823 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Spikedee1, #184 of 1153 🔗

Maybe they have a secret underground bunker?

324152 danny, 41, #185 of 1153 🔗

Just when we have got over the xmas panic, and almost having to tell my young daughter that she is banned from seeing my parents, (they luckily ignored it in the end) it now looks likely that I will have to have yet another conversation with her, this time telling her that school (which she loves and is her final year of primary) could well be closed again instead of returning next week.
When that happened the first time she was so upset, doing lessons on zoom and missing her friends, and if that is to be the way we go again, it will be so upsetting.
Will this never end?

324153 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 96, #186 of 1153 🔗

Slightly off topic, but not really

The pig dictators handling of brexit brings to the fore what a lying malevolent individual he is

I make no leave or remain point

The ‘deal’ was cynically announced on Christmas Eve. The deal document is said to run to 2000 pages . How many MP’s will have read any of it on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day or Boxing Day?

Therefore the majority of MP’s will have 2 days to read, digest and understand the document. They will not understand what they are voting for

This was planned

My point is that the pig dictator is a madman

He has presided Stalin like over the deaths of thousands

We also saw this behavior prior to Christmas when almost weeping he declared it would be inhuman to cancel Christmas

MP’s took him at his word and went home satisfied

Once the MP’s had gone home for the holidays he invented the mutant virus and did what he himself had declared to be inhuman

His main attributes are lying, manipulation, a false charm, and a absolute disregard for human life

This is a very dangerous man

324163 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cecil B, 9, #187 of 1153 🔗

I agree with the points about covid but, three days to digest an EU treaty, because it has been agreed at a minute to midnight is, positively, luxurious. When even Farage is forced to congratulate the PM and his negotiators with little more than a grumble about fishing I think we can say it is a fairly positive deal for the UK. Whether it will get through the European council is the question, I expect Macron to try and veto it because the EU have capitulated across the board. The yo-yo must be in considerably worse trouble than we realise if the Germans are so desperate to avoid No Deal.

Now, if Johnson would just use the positivity to be as proactive in relation to Bat flu, starting with a ban on the use of the PCR test we might extricate ourselves from this ridiculous situation.

324164 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Will, 5, #188 of 1153 🔗

The Germans rule in Europe, it will go through. Credit where due Bunter has done well to get a deal. Can he now regain control from the health Commies?

Well no need for the North and Midlands to go into CCP shutdown 3, as a start.

324175 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to nottingham69, 7, #189 of 1153 🔗

We are all going into full lockdown until April. The NHS staff are not taking the vaccine in anything like sufficient numbers, who can blame them, to deal with the staffing crisis.

324182 ▶▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Will, 10, #190 of 1153 🔗

Agree on the NHS staff, not the full CCP shutdown. The heat is on Bunter from the Conservative members and MP’s in the Midlands and North. Testing schoolkids to get the numbers up as looks to be Hancock’s next scam won’t cut it either.

325250 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Will, #191 of 1153 🔗

Why would the vaccine deal with the staffing crisis?

324260 ▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to nottingham69, 9, #192 of 1153 🔗

Depends what this so called deal entails…I no longer trust Farage on his notable weak response to the government this past few months … A man who is supposed to prize self determination, independence and here we have a government that is intent on destroying our most basic civil liberties, and little more than a squeak from Farage.

324611 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hattie, #193 of 1153 🔗

Farage is another Boris – only interested in serving himself.

324193 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Will, 3, #194 of 1153 🔗

Forgive a little scepticism regarding arguments from authority, even the authority of Farage. Do we know what the ‘deal’ actually says? Has anyone on here read through the 2,000 pages?

324250 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ovis, 12, #195 of 1153 🔗

Spot on. People praising the deal have not read it

They praise because the pig dictator told them to praise

324269 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Ovis, 2, #196 of 1153 🔗

this was a summary of the main points and who had “won” .. It was a government summary so maybe a little biased . However worth a read just for the flavour

324374 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ovis, 2, #197 of 1153 🔗

Main use – what it always was – a useless distraction to play with while Rome burns.

324396 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ovis, 3, #198 of 1153 🔗

Agree – though Gove said something like we will have a “special relationship” with the EU: not sure that inspires confidence?!

324217 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Cecil B, 3, #199 of 1153 🔗

Not forgetting there are 4543 words in the American Constitution.

324322 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #200 of 1153 🔗

But how many words from USSC judgments interpreting it?
Might be nice to know how many US gun owners (a constitutional right there) are lockdown sceptics.Is their government more wary of them as a consequence?

324598 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TC, 2, #201 of 1153 🔗

Millions of people armed to the teeth who mistrust their government ?

See if the likely answer occurs to you, TC. 🙂

324788 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Cecil B, #202 of 1153 🔗

He doesn’t believe in Parliamentary accountability. He’s the chappy who closed Parliament down. And then the people gave him a majority.

325251 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ned of the Hills, #203 of 1153 🔗

You can never underestimate the stupidity of the electorate.

325249 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cecil B, #204 of 1153 🔗

I agree almost entirely, but just can’t go along with that bit about charm.

324155 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 6, #205 of 1153 🔗

Have just come across this interview..

Vaclav Claus on lockdowns et al, likening the methods being used to the Czech communist era (17 mins):
https://youtu.be/kyrI4kurMnc

Edit
Another interview – Catherine Austin Fitts. Am only part way through this and am finding it quite disconcerting, making the conspiracy theories sound more plausible (48 mins):
https://youtu.be/C1-0XKYAZII

324215 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to SilentP, 3, #206 of 1153 🔗

Although there was much shock-horror about Chinese brainwashing during and after the Korean War (it was often credited with spooky powers it did not really have) Western scientists, especially CIA-linked, thought the Chinese might be onto something and social control had its uses.

324594 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Waldorf, #207 of 1153 🔗

One can research MK-Ultra, Monarch, etc. if one wants.

324866 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to SilentP, 1, #208 of 1153 🔗

Former President and PM Vaclav Klaus. Eurosceptic, climate sceptic, covid-sceptic.

Has said he will not be taking a ‘superfluous’ vaccine.

https://www.klaus.cz/clanky/4560

324162 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 5, #209 of 1153 🔗

Scenario: patient has Pfizer jab. Second jab due. Pfizer vaccine runs out, but Oxford vaccine available. Does patient now take Oxford vaccine?

324302 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PatrickF, 2, #210 of 1153 🔗

Question is why anyone would need 2 jabs to be ‘effective’. Why can’t 1 jab do the ‘job’?

324372 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to PatrickF, 3, #211 of 1153 🔗

Perhaps it depends which comes first… like mixing beer on whisky, very risky. Whisky on beer, never fear! 🙂

324615 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PatrickF, 1, #212 of 1153 🔗

They already suggested using two different vaccines early in December.

324167 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 7, #213 of 1153 🔗

07.50 BBC R4
Damian/Dominic (?) Farrow

‘There will be no economic recovery until we have beaten Coronovirus’

‘We have been scrabbling around to find the money to invest in vaccines . . .’

‘Scrabbling’ ?
Like when Barclays tried to borrow cash from the mafia during the banking crisis?

324179 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to karenovirus, 16, #214 of 1153 🔗

They keep talking about this virus as if they were in some sort of re-run of the D day landings and we will ‘defeat’ the virus, whatever that means? If anything this virus is more like the Viet-cong fighting a guerilla war, being a pest and running rings around us like the viet-cong did with the USA.
Most viruses ebb and flow, in often unpredictable ways, is it likely that 2021 will see this virus ebb away naturally? The jet stream is due to shift a little and we should be getting some more high pressure weather, that along with improving light levels as we go through January might see this virus start to decline naturally, we live in hope!

324201 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #215 of 1153 🔗

Covid now is a purely political conundrum. Rona herself is irrelevant. If you have ever wondered whether our rulers could fight their way out of a paper bag, here’s your answer.

324220 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #216 of 1153 🔗

If they abandoned the PCR test for the LFT the virus would “disappear” overnight. The people in hospital “with covid” don’t actually “have” covid. Covid is now a glorified cold and no where near as prevalent as the PCR testing indicates.

324240 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #217 of 1153 🔗

This is one of the most pernicious ideas – that it’s possible to defeat a virus as mild and easily spread as this one

It’s never been done before, and if there was a way to do it without killing the patient it would have been done

One day we may have the technology (God forbid, as on current form it will be abused) but to think we have this power now is a dangerous delusion

324247 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to karenovirus, 7, #218 of 1153 🔗

So they are using the term coronavirus not covid … so we are now attempting to defeat the cold virus that has been around for how long. This will not end until we end it.

324170 J Cook, 6, #219 of 1153 🔗

The videos from New Zealands ‘Covid Plan B’ are really good and definitely deserve to have more Youtube views. Each upload is a laid back discussion by GPs / epidemiologists /specialists etc. Their style is quite chilled, so personally I increase the Youtube playback speed to 1.5X to whiz through them.
Their credentials can be seen on their website https://www.covidplanb.co.nz
Here is their last upload (14th Dec), it gets going 4 minutes in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntck40aX31I&t

324173 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 10, #220 of 1153 🔗

Formerly Janice 21 here.
Never got round to wishing everyone a merry Christmas but hope you all managed to have a good enough one regardless.
I haven’t left the house since Christmas Eve and have avoided all news and social media, so had a mostly Covid free Christmas thankfully. Although MIL video called us on Christmas morning and ended up going into the usual hysteria about cases, deaths new strain etc so I left the room.
Have to go go the shops today to get some fresh food supplies……dreading seeing the muzzles.
Had intended on going to visit some family members who live about 50 miles away this week (ones who dont care about the ‘rules’) but even hubby is wary of the police stopping us with the kids in the back. This week is supposed to be the most stringent of the 6 week lockdown with curfew and not travelling unless essential, so MIL informed husband. I’ll go anyway.

324232 ▶▶ Apache, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #221 of 1153 🔗

Travelled 180 mile round trip on Boxing day to visit 2 relatives. 1 in Tier 3 and 1 in Tier 2. Saw NO police let alone stopped by them and I travelled on major routes.

324328 ▶▶ tjvs, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #222 of 1153 🔗

You would be very unlucky to even see Police

324420 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to tjvs, 1, #223 of 1153 🔗

I went 40 miles up the tier 2 motorway and back this morning, no Police at all just an overhead gantry sign

“Tier 2 Stay Local”

324428 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #224 of 1153 🔗

If you did happen to be stopped, just say that you are visiting a family member who lives alone, is in your “bubble” (ugh), and is suicidally lonely.

324592 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #225 of 1153 🔗

Slap hubby. Go anyway

324181 l835, replying to l835, 16, #226 of 1153 🔗

So the government is going to ban bogof’s… another example of how out of touch they are. I’m not stupid. If I buy a bogof, I don’t eat them both at the same day, I keep or freeze one for another time. It helps me save money. What’s to stop the shops just having a half price promotion? Why are we trusting these cretins to run our country if they waste parliamentary time on moronic and easily side stepped ideas like this? No doubt drakeford will have to go further and ban all food on the grounds it might make you fat.

324213 ▶▶ Will, replying to l835, 3, #227 of 1153 🔗

That horse has already bolted for the rapists father.

324183 Will, 2, #228 of 1153 🔗

Did the ONS actually report the results of a survey last week or were the headlines predicated on modelling?

324185 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 30, #229 of 1153 🔗

Bit of a moral problem and need some guidance.
The public park opposite us is full of people having snowball fights and using makeshift sledges on the slopes .
Is it my civic duty to inform the police that there are people out apparently enjoying themselves in defiance of the orders from Ferguson et al?
I have seen no mention in the regulations for Tier 3 about what to do if it snows. Is this because the BBC told Boris that it would never, ever snow in England again?

324186 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to mikewaite, 13, #230 of 1153 🔗

Be a good citizen and dob them in. Save granny

324190 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 12, #231 of 1153 🔗

Yes, there is a high probability that snow spatter is a major new source of viral transmission.

324197 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 5, #232 of 1153 🔗

Oh no, don’t give them ideas!

324239 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 6, #233 of 1153 🔗

throwing snowballs is now illegal . and snowmen must be masked

324300 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, 5, #234 of 1153 🔗

vomit

324187 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to mikewaite, 2, #235 of 1153 🔗

Perhaps snow is the key to wiping Covid out

324196 ▶▶ l835, replying to mikewaite, 20, #236 of 1153 🔗

If any of those selfish people in the park slip on the snow, don’t they realise ambulances are at breaking point and hospitals stretched to capacity? Just call the army and have them shot.

324238 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to l835, 2, #237 of 1153 🔗

made me think of this joyful scene from the film “the victors”
seasons greetings!

324325 ▶▶▶ tjvs, replying to l835, 2, #238 of 1153 🔗

Shooting too good for them!
Make them watch Pig dictator press briefing on repeat!!

324253 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to mikewaite, 7, #239 of 1153 🔗

If socially distanced and wearing balaclavas and gloves and wiping down sledges if sharing there isn’t a problem. However a single breach must be reported so that the park can be closed down until sanitised. I think you knew this already.

324590 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to arfurmo, 1, #240 of 1153 🔗

Go to the park in t-shirt and shorts, and tell them how wrong it is to be having fun – especially throwing those disease-vectoring snowballs.

Remember to duck, bob, and weave as you run …

324188 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 27, #241 of 1153 🔗

Another nail in the coffin for Ferguson’s model in this new very technical article from Ionnaidis

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.22.20160341v3.full.pdf+html

Effects of non-pharmaceutical interventions on COVID-19: A Tale of Three Models

 Conclusions Inferences on effects of NPIs are non-robust and highly sensitive to model specification. Claimed benefits of lockdown appear grossly exaggerated.

324346 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to swedenborg, 4, #242 of 1153 🔗

Excellent.

The conclusions are quite powerful. It is a devastating critique of the work of Imperial college which is used to support continuing lockdowns. In particular the Nature paper (Flaxman et al) is examined. Among other errors the Imperial paper selectively only used data which supported its case and the stated uncertainty estimates for the impact of lockdowns failed to represent the true uncertainty. Particularly given the stakes involved, both these things are in my view criminal.

Its a preprint so hopefully it won’t get neutered too much in the review process.

324189 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 22, #243 of 1153 🔗

Just hearing Blair talking to Ferguson, about ‘non compliance’, is shocking, it needs to be like S Korea he said. Globalist Blair and his Blairites are the evil in this country.

324200 ▶▶ l835, replying to DanClarke, 3, #244 of 1153 🔗

S or N Korea?

324204 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to l835, 5, #245 of 1153 🔗

he said south, which is a democracy but a ‘controlled’ democracy. The illusion that keeps the people happy…………

324206 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to DanClarke, 4, #246 of 1153 🔗

But no doubt would prefer North.

324195 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 78, #247 of 1153 🔗

Even if we ever do get back to some semblance of normality I, for one, believe that things will never be as they were (on a societal level that is, I know financially that this will take generations to recover from). This is because all those who treated me like a leper (and continue to do so) will clearly never, ever concede that they were wrong. For their hysteria, resultant behaviour and their lack of contrition, I will never forgive them for they are collaborators in this scam.

This thought popped into my head yesterday when the woman who – up until this shitshow started – I used to exchange pleasantries with in the village shop and, who it has to be said, was initially viscerally scornful of shutting away the elderly (she is in her 70s), was friendliness personified when she walked past my house just as I was leaving for work. This is the same woman who ignored/blanked me, while walking past me back in April, and veered off into the road to avoid my plague-ridden self (the pavement was plenty wide enough for us both). Does she think that just by pretending that none of the nastiness she and others have subjected us LS to, that we will just forget. Like the slate will just be wiped clean. It’s like when you are bullied at school and your tormentor eventually realises they were wrong but do not have the courage to admit it and then try to act like you were friends all along.

324227 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 30, #248 of 1153 🔗

Well said. Your last sentence is very spot on as I was bullied when I was in school and now my tormentors act as if nothing happened. Its good to be in another country where I don’t see them and I can blank them on anti-social media.

I can imagine that once this shit show is over that many people will go, “its time for healing let bygones be bygones” but I for one will never forgive and forget. It will be our sacred duty to remind them that they were collaborators in this attempt to destroy our country, society and even our health.

324587 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #249 of 1153 🔗

If we want them to listen when we remind them (at enormous length and on a variety of topics), then we need at least formal interaction to be in place. 🙂

324606 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #250 of 1153 🔗

Yes, exactly. Collaborators should never be forgiven and ideally should be prosecuted where possible. I’m not holding my breath for a crimes against humanity tribunal – I expect that you’re right about how many people, once most have woken up, will want ‘healing’ and ‘to let bygones be bygones’ – and the authorities will want to move on so that economies can be re-started. Most will not want to dwell on this.

I think, however, that in many countries there will be resistance to moving on and suspect that there could be major problems for many years. In some places, politics will be shifted due to a new ‘issue dimension’, as well call it in political science. Parties will re-align over this and related matters (how intrusive the state should be, for example).

This won’t go away quickly or easily.

324953 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #251 of 1153 🔗

Agree. I think as well there will be less trust between people and I suspect many relationships and friendships will never recover.

325117 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #252 of 1153 🔗

They will deserve every globule of (metaphorical) spittle that rolls down their weaselly little faces.

325252 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, #253 of 1153 🔗

Collaborators sums them up so succinctly and it has the gravitas to go with it.

324237 ▶▶ Julian, replying to kh1485, 50, #254 of 1153 🔗

I guess each of us will find our own way to live with this in the future, but as it stands now I find it hard to imagine having genuinely warm feelings toward people who supported lockdowns enthusiastically – though I do feel that people are victims and this should be borne in mind

Those I find hardest to forgive are people I know are intelligent and politically aware who flat out refused to engage with me on any sensible level to discuss what’s happening

324293 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 15, #255 of 1153 🔗

Agree. Find it hard to have a civil conversation with the neighbour in her mid 70s that shun her grand children during since March and support the continuo0us lockdowns as their small online business is doing well……

324314 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Julian, 18, #256 of 1153 🔗

Agree. I sympathise with the genuinely frightened but they tend not be be the hysterical ones (who appear to have an MO of bullying those of us who question the nonsense).

324589 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 17, #257 of 1153 🔗

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324618 ▶▶▶ 10navigator, replying to Julian, 8, #258 of 1153 🔗

The problem lies in the fear generated in such individuals Julian. I’m in my 70s and have a friend of 35 years who is 75yrs of age. The irrationality of his current thinking simply beggars belief. I had always thought him, as an artisan, a pragmatist who was firmly grounded in common sense. It appear not, since the SAGE wallahs got to him with their tales of apocalypse unless he self isolates in perpetuity. Not for nothing does SAGE employ the services of behavioural psychologists whose sole task it is to concoct ways in which to scare Joe Public witless to the point of subservient acquiescence. The whole thing is a scandal. I hope I’m around to see heads roll.

324256 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to kh1485, 34, #259 of 1153 🔗

There is a sandwich shop and a fish and chip that I will never use again. The former because of a sick inducing poster displayed in the window “Why I wear a mask” and the latter because of its “No mask, no food” poster.

324273 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to arfurmo, 10, #260 of 1153 🔗

I completely understand your feelings and share them, but it is possible that those signs were put up to satisfy some local authority jobsworth. I could be very wrong here but I remember someone on here tried going into a business (I think it was a garage), saw the signs, went away and came back the following day face-nappyless and found out that the staff were even more sceptical than he was. The signs were only for show.
Just a thought.

324278 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Stephanos, 14, #261 of 1153 🔗

Hmm, they could have just stuck with the less passive aggressive / flat out aggressive ‘please wear a mask’ sign.

324285 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to HelzBelz, 16, #262 of 1153 🔗

Exactly. I’ve been forced to put up signs but they are worded in such a way as to blame the government for the message.

324405 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Stephanos, 15, #263 of 1153 🔗

There is another sandwich shop which says “Please wear a mask unless exempt” the “unless exempt” is in large print.

324916 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to arfurmo, 3, #264 of 1153 🔗

Subtle hint. Not to be ignored.

324529 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Stephanos, 7, #265 of 1153 🔗

There’s a kind of hierarchy of aggressiveness: No mask, no service. Masks are mandatory on these premises. Please wear a mask or face covering. . Please wear a face covering, unless you are exempt.
Some retailers may feel that the shorter messages are more likely to have the desired effect. But being aggressive to your customers is not very sensible.

324282 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, 29, #266 of 1153 🔗

We are permitted to offer a takeaway service right now. Yesterday, a couple and their son (regulars) turned up. Now, if I were following the rules, I would have left a couple – both knocking 90 – sit outside in near freezing weather to ‘enjoy’ their drinks. I’m sure you can guess what course of action I took!

324294 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 20, #267 of 1153 🔗

Went for a drive/walk on Christmas day. According to the car, the temperature outside was what meteorologists call ‘minus fucking two’. And we were suppposed to sit granny near an open window??

324317 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 14, #268 of 1153 🔗

It’s for their own good, remember!

325254 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kh1485, #269 of 1153 🔗

Hypothermia is now an official Covid-19 symptom.

324392 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dianne, replying to Sam Vimes, 15, #270 of 1153 🔗

A friend of my mil rang her on boxing day to tell her of her awful xmas day experience. She had gone to her sons for dinner and they had every window in the house open, this was obviously needed if they didn’t want to kill granny!. I just despair at the stupidity of so many intelligent people. I left school with just 2 O’Levels, but certainly have more common sense than millions in this god forsaken country.

324555 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Dianne, 9, #271 of 1153 🔗

“the stupidity of so many intelligent people”

They clearly aren’t intelligent; that word means ‘able to learn’, rather than ‘has a qualification’. Their actions confirm they are simply stupid.

325255 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sam Vimes, #272 of 1153 🔗

Stupid is, as stupid does (or says).

324296 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to arfurmo, 9, #273 of 1153 🔗

Agree. Vote with your feet

You can still appease the non believers by having a sign that say ‘we understand that you have an exemption’ in terms of government face covering guidelines

325225 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to arfurmo, #274 of 1153 🔗

cold comfort, but you will probably see both go under in the not too distant future

324599 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to kh1485, 13, #275 of 1153 🔗

Yes, I have also been thinking about this and will never forget or forgive. While some might say that people were frightened into becoming Covidians, I do not go along with this because it was not hard to find alternate information online (especially at first, before the censorship really got going) and people, at least in democracies, need to take some responsibility for their own actions and decisions. I am against the infantilisation we have seen so much of and think people need to grow up and accept blame.

I’ve lost a lot of friends over this and while I will politely deal with them on a professional basis (when it comes to those I work with), I will not socialise with them again. Academic people are difficult at the best of times, but many of them have been the worst during the Rona episode.

324957 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #276 of 1153 🔗

Same here. I’m pulling back from a few people and letting them do the work this time, that is if they do want to socialise. If they don’t then no loss for me frankly.

324911 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kh1485, 2, #277 of 1153 🔗

Give her a thumbs down next time.

324198 mjr, replying to mjr, 18, #278 of 1153 🔗

Really worried about this global warming stuff .
more pressure on NHS expected today with grannies sliding all over and breaking hips .

324202 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to mjr, 5, #279 of 1153 🔗

Yes, the weather really is ‘off-message’ on this.

324205 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to kh1485, 5, #280 of 1153 🔗

only a couple of inches so far. . amazing how much nicer the world looks . no doubt if it is widespread the country will grind to a halt as it usually does with a smattering of snow.
snow in winter??? who’d have thought it .

324222 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to mjr, 7, #281 of 1153 🔗

Exactly. We had similar a few weeks ago. As you say, it makes everything look a lot nicer. No doubt our old friend, panic buying will be back!

324323 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 3, #282 of 1153 🔗

It will have Sally Traffic wetting herself on R2 because the snow gates are closed on some B road up a mountain near Caithness.

324582 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 1, #283 of 1153 🔗

The roads turn to glass up there, I’ve heard …

324210 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to mjr, 2, #284 of 1153 🔗

Just more rain here in Norfolk.

324212 ▶▶ l835, replying to mjr, 5, #285 of 1153 🔗

I’m worried about the effects of snow build up on outdoor mask breathability.

324272 ▶▶ iane, replying to mjr, 4, #286 of 1153 🔗

Ah, but it’s OK – kids shortly won’t know what snow looks like! Dr Viner, a UEA ‘scientist’ said so in 2000, hence it must be true soon.

324315 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 3, #287 of 1153 🔗

Are you legally permitted to lean out of your window for the non-essential taking of photographs ?

324557 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 2, #288 of 1153 🔗

i was tied to the furniture to prevent falling and i held my breath

324711 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to mjr, #289 of 1153 🔗

Did you see any of the green (in the ad) virus “particles” passing you when at the window, or did you have a granny there catching them Christmas day?

324740 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to dhid, #290 of 1153 🔗

good point. i thought i would see lots of green miasma highlighted against the white background but saw none … it must be a hoax

325125 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to mjr, #291 of 1153 🔗

I got stuck in a drift of global warming once.

324209 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 10, #292 of 1153 🔗

From the ten reasons not to have lockdowns:

“the Government seems content to simply erase what it means to be British.”

And I’ve yet to be convinced that this isn’t the precise reason that they’re doing it.

The point about bias: we also know that there are some hard left, even one confirmed communist among the advisors. Even without a political label, one advisor’s Twitter account shows clear and open disdain and contempt for Boris and his cabinet.

324233 ▶▶ Julian, replying to LMS2, 16, #293 of 1153 🔗

“the Government seems content to simply erase what it means to be British”

Governments across the world seem content to simply erase what it means to be human

324268 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Julian, 7, #294 of 1153 🔗

Yep. I think TPTB have decided that democracy was a bad precedent to set and will now remove it from the table. Even more sadly, it seems that most humans now feel the need for nanny and don’t like the idea of freedom with all its requirements for self-responsibility and decision-making.

#Homo Non Sapiens

324295 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to iane, 5, #295 of 1153 🔗

Fingers burned. There will certainly never be another referendum in this country.

324637 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to iane, #296 of 1153 🔗

Homo stupidens?

324360 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, #297 of 1153 🔗

The main characteristic of ‘what it means to be British’ seems to actually be a sublime delusion about the constiutional freedoms and protections inherent in a hand-me-down monarchical system.

324357 ▶▶ RickH, replying to LMS2, 1, #298 of 1153 🔗

one advisor’s Twitter account shows clear and open disdain and contempt for Boris and his cabinet.”

Who would not have disdain and and contempt for the egregious liar Mr Toad? Hardly a distinguishing feature.

324919 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to RickH, #299 of 1153 🔗

Toady:
Noun
parasite , sycophant , toady , leech , sponge mean a usually obsequious flatterer or self-seeker. parasite applies to one who clings to a person of wealth, power, or influence or is useless to society. a jet-setter with an entourage of parasites sycophant adds to this a strong suggestion of fawning, flattery, or adulation. a powerful prince surrounded by sycophants toady emphasizes the servility and snobbery of the self-seeker. cultivated leaders of society and became their toady leech stresses persistence in clinging to or bleeding another for one’s own advantage. a leech living off his family and friends sponge stresses the parasitic laziness, dependence, and opportunism of the cadger. a shiftless sponge , always looking for a handout
Verb
fawn , toady , truckle , cringe , cower mean to behave abjectly before a superior. fawn implies seeking favor by servile flattery or exaggerated attention. waiters fawning over a celebrity toady suggests the attempt to ingratiate oneself by an abjectly menial or subservient attitude. toadying to his boss truckle implies the subordination of oneself and one’s desires or judgment to those of a superior. truckling to a powerful lobbyist cringe suggests a bowing or shrinking in fear or servility. a cringing sycophant cower suggests a display of abject fear in the company of threatening or domineering people. cowering before a bully

324635 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to LMS2, #300 of 1153 🔗

After this year’s performance, I’d expect most twitter accounts to show open disdain and contempt for them.
Bit unprofessional from an advisor though ……..

324214 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #301 of 1153 🔗

Daily Mail: Only primary school children and students in Year 11 and 13 will return to classrooms next week.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9092177/Only-primary-school-children-students-Year-11-13-return-classrooms-week.html

324219 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #302 of 1153 🔗

It’s awful! And this will start the ball rolling for full school closures both primary and secondary; probably for months. I think we should just send the kids there…. remember wasn’t it just advice to close schools last time according to the Simon Dolan case. What is it this time?

324230 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #303 of 1153 🔗

Good point about the advice, but sadly they will all follow it, except maybe a few private schools

324574 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Country Mumkin, #304 of 1153 🔗

In that case, the Teachers should all be furloughed.

324283 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, #305 of 1153 🔗

Government bloke on R4 just now going on about a staged return.

324578 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, #306 of 1153 🔗

Name always useful, if you caught it karen ?

324287 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #307 of 1153 🔗

Shocking! They continue on the path that these children will increase the so-called R rate – what a lot of utter nonsense!!!

324221 flyingjohn, 50, #308 of 1153 🔗

We must fight back. “I will not comply”

324236 DThom, 9, #309 of 1153 🔗

They are calling it the ‘England’ variant.
What a load of rubbish. Well done the Cock!

324242 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #310 of 1153 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55453932

Rapists Dad “Mummy, mummy there’s a boy at school who won’t be nice to me”

Mummy “What’s his name”

Rapists Dad “Pig Dictator”

Mummy ” Well I did tell you that you were a little cunt so not that surprising really. Clear the table please”

324258 ▶▶ l835, replying to Cecil B, 7, #311 of 1153 🔗

“ we’ll have to rethink about our relationship with England – and will need to consider the arrangements and the options.”

Options like not receiving billions of pounds and free defence from Westminster each year?

Tit.

324244 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #312 of 1153 🔗

Another nutter saying C-19 started before Oct 2019 in fact Spring 2019 when all science with sequencing state of C-19 state Oct 2019 as the start of the pandemic. But there are some strange things with the flu figures for Japan and Australia 2019 compared to earlier years isn’t it?. Probably there must be some rational explanation.

https://twitter.com/jamesbleekerPL/status/1341923067468029952

 “Covid19 ravaged Japan (and many Asian/Oceanic countries) in mid-late 2019. Evidently it went unnoticed as influenza. Perfect explanation for anomalous results in Asia/Oceania.

324246 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #313 of 1153 🔗

And then Australia.Very early summer influenza in 2019 compared to all other years(2014-2018) previously which peaks later at the same time.

 https://twitter.com/federicolois/status/1341989687506956288

“To put that in numbers from 4200 deaths of ILIs in Australia only 399 were lab confirmed Influenza. It begs the question what were the other 3800? That is a big Boeing 777 flying under your nose.

324257 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #314 of 1153 🔗

And then this article about flu in Australia 2019,very severe and 5 times more cases.

 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-18/influenza-spike-may-be-climate-related/11406980

“Normally, flu cases spike in the cooler months, between June and September.
This year, health authorities were caught by surprise when the season started much earlier than usual.
A report by the World Health Organisation Influenza Centre described the outbreak as “exceptional.”
Report author Professor Ian Barr said the number of cases was about “five times what we’d normally see in that inter-seasonal period”.

324498 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to swedenborg, 1, #315 of 1153 🔗

Interesting. This helps explain some of the anomalous rates of infection we’ve seen across the world.

Is there any seroprevalence data available for Australia & Japan?

324534 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Mayo, #316 of 1153 🔗

There was publishes studies from Japan this summer with very high prevalence of C-19 antibodies among 20-50 years in Tokyo.The researchers were surprised as the C-19 wave was small at that time in Japan.Currently Japan has much higher figures than previously but not that high as in the West.Have not seen any figures from Australia.

324279 ▶▶ Basics, replying to swedenborg, 2, #317 of 1153 🔗

Autumn 2019 Flu in America was unusually early too. Millions with flu by October. Not the usual timings. Then of course Flu vanished entirely by May June 2020 (except where there are people with c19 and flu).

324320 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #318 of 1153 🔗

Been waiting for a good explanation for the flu/covid-19 relationship for a while. This is very interesting and makes for very logical reasons as to why we see the kind of numbers we do. Good find

324352 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 3, #319 of 1153 🔗

What strikes me for 2020 is that something different was happening in the earlier part of the year – most probably the Covid outbreak that is noted on all graphs, and which declined naturally.

Then we have the fictional confused ‘second wave’ which, in actuality was the normal seasonal rise in mixed respiratory infections ….???

324815 ▶▶ chris c, replying to swedenborg, #320 of 1153 🔗

Fascinating to see this in other countries.

Here in Suffolk we had a strange flu-like thing with a severe cough mostly between September 2019 and February 2020. This was followed by low levels of official covid cases.

I’ve heard the same thing in parts of the west country, Hereford and Shropshire etc. high levels of a “nasty virus” in early winter and low covid numbers later.

Looks like a worldwide phenomenon then, especially considering the “virus” showing in sewage samples and blood tests in I think Italy and Spain way way before it was “official”

324259 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 43, #321 of 1153 🔗

Woke up this morning to asymptomatic snow

Can’t see it, it’s not even cold

The majority of the village are out throwing asymptomatic snow balls at each other

There is a huge asymptomatic snowman on the village green

The council have been along and tested

The test is positive and also includes the new variant asymptomatic snow

Dangerous times

324274 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Cecil B, 11, #322 of 1153 🔗

You should plough the roads as if they are snowy. Better safe than sorry. Stay safe!

324276 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Noumenon, 4, #323 of 1153 🔗

They are

324286 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Cecil B, 5, #324 of 1153 🔗

Then stop being so ungrateful by sitting at your computer. Get out and clap!

324308 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 2, #325 of 1153 🔗

Have the 12 children identified as the culprits been instructed to isolate for 10 days ?

324389 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Cecil B, 3, #326 of 1153 🔗

We’ve got some of that too!

You can see the green grass through it – oh wait! – could it be all those “green” virus “particles” they showed in the ads drifting out of the window past granny?!

324265 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 16, #327 of 1153 🔗

Just heard my Great Uncle, aged 85, passed away. He tested positive for Covid just before Christmas. However he was not a well man, he had lung cancer, COPD and was on antibiotics for a lung infection, also receiving palliative care. Very sad but no doubt he will be counted as a Covid death. It may or may not have been the cause for his death, who knows. Apparently any close family who visited him all tested negative and there was some speculation as to whether the carers who came to his home may have ‘passed it on’. Having this sort of blame game won’t really help matters.
Also sad how there is unlikely to be any wake and a small funeral which I won’t be able to attend as we are a large family. Oh well.

324321 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #328 of 1153 🔗

Please accept my condolences over the death of your uncle. You mentioned the blame game which I totally agree, but would it not helpful if your relatives took a step back, removed Covid from the equation and realise he was a man of advanced years, 85, and quite unwell, and his body naturally expired, naturally being emphasised. There is also the likelihood of false positives.

324383 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #329 of 1153 🔗

That is very sad.

As you say, he was an unwell man before, but will likely be added to the “stats”.

I imagine for the family not being able to have a “normal” funeral is the worst, not being able to fully recognise and celebrate his life, and have a kind of closure that a funeral and wake can bring.

This, and the denial of family and close friends to comfort the elderly and ill in person, is utterly criminal.

324391 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #330 of 1153 🔗

Sorry to hear but it comes to us all eventually. I’ve heard of people being swabbed for C19 when they are on the point of death and taking their last breaths. There’s some sick bastards around trying to boost the pandemic myth.

324266 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 40, #331 of 1153 🔗

“Modelling by the Centre for Mental Health forecasts that as many as 10 million people will need new or additional mental health support as a direct result of the coronavirus epidemic “.

This should say “as a direct result of” 10 months of hard core military grade psychological warfare.

324400 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, 1, #332 of 1153 🔗

Agreed, except that usually the military are not the best at that sort of thing. Private corporations (Madison Avenue), academia, and areas of the media, are the guilty ones. Imho of course.

324281 George Mc, replying to George Mc, -4, #333 of 1153 🔗

Well congratulations Lockdown Sceptics, it seems that with your new log in faculty I can only post comments from my smartphone and have to go into the laborious matter of copy/pasting from my email account to do this.

I spent perhaps a good 40 minutes last night trying to reset my password. A couple of hundred attempts later and I just gave up. (If I see that little juddering screen to tell me I’ve failed one more time then I will throw up).

The upshot is that I can’t post with any nice formatting features so it will have to be like the old telegram pidgin English from now on.

324311 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George Mc, 9, #334 of 1153 🔗

Works fine for me on android and Windows. I logged in once back in July and haven’t needed to since

324331 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #335 of 1153 🔗

same for me. I logged in in Spring and never logged in again (Windows)

324326 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to George Mc, #336 of 1153 🔗

I also had problems 2 days ago and had to change my user name as well as the password to make it work.

324340 ▶▶ dhid, replying to George Mc, 2, #337 of 1153 🔗

it seems that with your new log in faculty

Seems to work OK in Windows 10, using formatting features.

Didn’t know they’d opened an educational facility for login, or did you mean “ability” to login?

Either way, I’m not sure why you are able to post anything now unless you actually are logged in.

Perhaps the Admins changed it back, or…..?

I also didn’t realise that lack of text formatting caused writing in “pidgin” English as the only option.

Well strange init!

324354 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to George Mc, 1, #338 of 1153 🔗

I have finally broken into the log in thing. I did it the way I usually do i.e. I just bang around, fiddling with this here and that there till something finally works but I don’t know what and could never do it again. So here’s hoping until the next time it goes wrong and I’ll bang around again.

324643 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to George Mc, 1, #339 of 1153 🔗

Maybe someone’s had some well-earned time off over Christmas?

324928 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to George Mc, #340 of 1153 🔗

Looks okay to me. I had to reset, as well as several other people, this past week. Computer glitch.

324284 Victoria, 16, #341 of 1153 🔗

2019 –> 2020

324290 Andy Riley, replying to Andy Riley, 12, #342 of 1153 🔗

“A&E: sharp rise in number of patients turned away”

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/22/ae-sharp-rise-in-number-of-patients-turned-away

Oh, wait a minute – report is dated 22 Jan 2016

324297 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 24, #344 of 1153 🔗

The clear and scandalous misuse of the PCR test is a timebomb ticking under this government.

The Bosnian judgement regarding interference with basic human rights through mandatory lockdowns and masking opens up another potentially explosive front:

‘The regular 120th session of the Grand Council of the Constitutional Court of Bosnia and Herzegovina was held electronically today. Several decisions were made, and the most relevant one for BiH. The public is that the decisions of the FBiH Crisis Staff on the ban on movement and the mandatory wearing of protective masks are “interference with basic human rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution of BiH and the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights.”

“In this particular case, there are violations of the right to private life and freedom of movement, which were committed by orders of narrow segments of the executive power on mandatory wearing of protective masks and restriction of movement, crisis headquarters of health ministries,” the Constitutional Court said.

It is also stated that the decision of the Crisis Staff of the Ministries of Health of FBiH is a violation of these human rights, given that “there was no active participation in the adoption and review of ordered measures by the highest legislative and executive authorities.”

https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/bih/mjere-zabrane-kretanja-i-obaveznog-nosenja-maski-su-neustavne/201222110

But are there any politicians of sufficient ability in this country who really do have the best interests of the general public at heart?

324303 ▶▶ TC, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #345 of 1153 🔗

The short answer to your last paragraph is sadly, “Probably none”.

324310 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #346 of 1153 🔗

And the most telling comment on this judgement:

Imagine you sign a convention and then actually respect what you signed’

324344 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #347 of 1153 🔗

Sadly, all the decades and centuries of bullshit about the ‘Mother of Parliaments’ etc. has come down to an ironic chuckle when it comes to the question of adequate constitutional arrangements in the UK. Britons are, indeed ‘slaves’ when push comes to shove.

The three unofficial pillars of constitutional protection have all proved too weak. In the case of the media – ’nuff said. Parliament has reduced itself to a slavering irrelevancy – apart from the odd rebel, and the judicial system has yet to show that there is any convincing plank upon which to build the protection of basic rights.

324556 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #348 of 1153 🔗

I was thinking about human rights (as one does) recently. We can quote UN declarations on this and that, but these declarations arose from people’s strong feelings about what their intrinsic rights are. In other words our rights are not handed down to us from a higher body, but are ours “by right”, though I suppose I’m being a bit tautologous here.
Governments at various times and places have used the notion of a “state of emergency” to suspend these rights. While such a suspension may occasionally be justifiable, the obvious danger is that a state of emergency may be declared on spurious grounds.

324569 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #349 of 1153 🔗

Some Sir Charles Walker, Sir Graham Brady,Sir Desmond Swayne and others such as Sir Graham Stringer(?). Not many though.

324933 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Tim Bidie, #350 of 1153 🔗

We will soon find out.

324301 Basics, replying to Basics, 30, #351 of 1153 🔗

Park yesterday. The whole city had turned out in extended groups of families and friends for a Christmas walk. A scene from a Victorian promenade could not have been more busy. A lot of people. In amongst them was spotted one mask, among thousands. A moronic late 20s girl with only eyes unwrapped getting fresh air. She was alone with eyes of self-conscious steel, no matter how hard I lasered my look at her eye she couldn’t possibly turn her eyes from the locked position. What fun all others were having – every kind of regular happiness returned. Fragments of conversations between dad and son, grand mum and cousin etc. Greetings, and yes, smiles of acknowledgement. A revel.

324601 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Basics, 2, #352 of 1153 🔗

Same here today despite the freezing weather. Our house backs onto an old railway line, now a three mile long recreational path (linking our T3 to T2 luckily), and it is as busy as Oxford Street used to be. Big groups, mixed ages, kids, dogs – all out, all smiling, all passing without incident on the narrow path. No masks in sight. Good to see.

Meanwhile – small, indoor NYE get together organised and logistics in place to foil the Stasi.

324818 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #353 of 1153 🔗

Aah just back from a promenade along Southend sea front with my wife and our Cocker spaniel. What pandemic? Groups walking and talking. Thousands of people out and about nobody bothering with antisocial distancing. Chatting with other dog owners, just like normal. Saw about three masks. Only takeaway available but most just grabbing a coffee and sitting and enjoying the day. Only saw one young girl in a mask. I asked her why she was wearing it. To protect my friend! Do you have the virus? No. So what are you protecting her from? We walked further down the coast but on the way home I was pleased to see she had unveiled her lovely face and her and her mate were close to each other and laughing. This is what sage were really terrified of, us meeting and chatting and debunking your obvious bullshit.

324304 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 26, #354 of 1153 🔗

Isn’t it the case that the NHS almost invariably whines and spreads fear that it’ll be overrun and overwhelmed, that serivices will suffer and, if something’s not done, the world could conceivably come to an immediate end?

Surely this annual bout of whining is a contractual requirement for all NHS staff.

324356 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to common conservative, 8, #355 of 1153 🔗

Selection from circa 2018:

324309 assoc, replying to assoc, 5, #356 of 1153 🔗

All these vaccines new to the market but still only the ineffective PCR and lateral flow tests. There are billions to be made from a better test

324316 ▶▶ iansn, replying to assoc, 9, #357 of 1153 🔗

of course there is but why do you want a better test? That’s not what the people in charge want.

324336 ▶▶ Will, replying to assoc, 4, #358 of 1153 🔗

The tests are easy to manipulate to fuel the required narrative; as such they are entirely fit for the government’s purpose.

324351 ▶▶ chaos, replying to assoc, 6, #359 of 1153 🔗

A better test is not what they want. The fact they run 40 odd cycles on PCR proves that. They go for the ‘better’ test when they need to clear thousands of truckers quickly.

324830 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to chaos, #360 of 1153 🔗

I have an idea for a new test, let me run it by you to see if I should bring it out on the market. Ready, blimey its like dragons den. Okay, how do you feel? Oh I have a runny nose. Right no covid go about your day. How do you feel, er great. Fanbloodytastic, nothing wrong with you live your best life. How do you feel, I am having palpations and have a pain in my shoulder. Call an ambulance. How do you feel, I have a sore throat I cant seem to smell anything and I am short of breath. Okay stay at home and try and isolate from other people. If the symptoms worsen go to the doctors.
I think I will call my test the HDYF. Should I be ordering my Bentley?

324312 iansn, replying to iansn, 5, #361 of 1153 🔗

If you want to see how quickly people can be influenced by fear and the kind of result it can have, watch The Captain, (Der Hauptmann). Its a true story from the end of WW2. It’s in black and white and in German with English subtitles. You can see Hancock in the Captain from the start, a chancer who gets lucky. I refer back to my post last week where I said I could see in my mind beating his face to a pulp………..

324347 ▶▶ iansn, replying to iansn, #362 of 1153 🔗

Cant edit- its on Amazon

324327 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 8, #363 of 1153 🔗

Indeed – continue to constantly trumpet that the virus is a load of shite. The trouble is that you are doing this within a theatre that has been set up to totally neutralise everything you say.
Here’s how it works:

The mainstream media (by which I mostly mean TV since that holds the centre of the nation’s attention) trumpet the latest utterly horrifying tale of devastation.

The ‘alternate’ media (those sites designated mostly as ‘Left’) complain loudly that the horror tale from the mainstream grossly underestimates the utterly catastrophic situation. The sections of this media transmitting to the truly dumbass ones will try to say that the viral terror is being covered up completely (?!)

The above ‘poles’ between utter horror to soul blasting apocalyptic horror set up the limits of the designated realm of Truth. Anything outside this patch is dismissed as ‘Right Wing’, ‘Far Right’, ‘Corporate funded’ (oh the irony!), etc.

And so the moment you even squeak against the viral zombie show you will be denounced as a Right Wing neo-Nazi etc.

The actual content of your objection is totally irrelevant.

324334 ▶▶ RickH, replying to George Mc, #364 of 1153 🔗

Do stop he self-pitying left v. right political infantilism. The situation is a bit too serious to be just a vehicle for self-abuse.

324349 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to RickH, 2, #365 of 1153 🔗

Ooh get you! I’m afraid this ‘self pitying infantilism’ (whatever that’s supposed to mean) is the entire pivot of the scam and if you are not aware of it then you haven’t a clue what you are up against.

324404 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to George Mc, 1, #366 of 1153 🔗

The ‘self pity’ comes from a section of the self-identified ‘right’ that sees itself as eternally persecuted, and grows fantasies to support the notion.

My point is that anyone seeing this through a simplistic left/right political dimension has been left behind by events.

324418 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 5, #367 of 1153 🔗

I agree. The utterly awful response of the left who have been pushing governments to close down businesses as contamination death pits, total dedication to masks and their value in signaling your virtue, the zero Covid calls, the description of protestors as emerging hard right tendencies which requires an anti force directed by themselves of course, grim suggestions locally to me like free masks for everyone in town, and on it goes. The fact that all roads lead to ‘the poor government handling of the crisis’ with their only evidence being New Zealand, over and over they repeat this. One week too late for locking down in March. It’s a mantra. No evidence.

On the right there has been a total willingness to see businesses collapse, freedoms to be removed on a whim, no courage to really stand up to the public health czars, and too much posturing like the Recovery group. Rather than effective action like joining the protests in some fashion, such as David Kurten has.

They come from slightly different angles but have both been hoodwinked save a few (Charles Walker for one)

324425 ▶▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to RickH, 2, #368 of 1153 🔗

I certainly never identified myself as ‘Right’. My whole approach comes from an extreme disenchantment with the Left. And I’m afraid that “simplistic left/right political dimension” – although it may indeed be bullshit, is very much a central prop of the current propaganda. The fact is that almost every expression of scepticism re: covid has been assigned as ‘Right Wing’ by the Left and, I suspect, will come to be so also by the mainstream which (and this is really my big point) has now adopted a “Left Wing” narrative to back up covid.

The basic vision that is being promulgated by certain sites – most notably Bylinetimes – is that 40 years of “no alternative” neoliberalism have finally been laid to rest by the triumphant emergence of a whole new ultimatum: the “no alternative” fight against covid. And so we have a truly infantile tale of how all those protest groups (Occupy, Extinction Rebellion etc) along with the mighty covid finally forced the governments to “go Left” etc. Basically, they are trying to sell you the idea that the lockdowns, restrictions etc. were somehow forced on the government by the people. As if.

324930 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to George Mc, #369 of 1153 🔗

I think there is a lot of truth to this analysis. It is particularly apparent in the German media where any covid scepticism is dismissed/discredited as ‘far right’.

324343 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to George Mc, 3, #370 of 1153 🔗

The only hope comes from two groups:

1. Those on the Left not blinded by that self-castrating conspiracy phobia and who therefore can actually see the psychological manipulation that the rest haven’t a fucking clue about.

2. Those (probably, indeed hopefully, the vast majority of the public) who don’t even think in terms of Left/Right and so haven’t been subject to that mind dissolving germ that utterly neutralises the official Left whereby they are too busy with peer approved critical essays on the commodification of didgeridoos and analyses on the verboten ‘conspiracism’ to see what’s staring them right in the face.

324413 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to George Mc, 1, #371 of 1153 🔗

the official Left”

This is what I mean. There’s no such beast – to the extent that even if you use it to describe the current Labour Party leadership, it isn’t even ‘left’ in the old sense, since its impulse has been to nurture establishment/right connections at the expense of any radicalism.

324437 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to RickH, 1, #372 of 1153 🔗

I think we are making the same point but are just arguing over semantics. Unfortunately, these semantics count as propagandistic devices. Granted that the “official Left” isn’t a Left at all. Nevertheless, it stands as supposedly Left for the mainstream.

My own view is that Corbyn became the target of the most vicious smear campaign I’ve ever seen because he represented Old Labour i.e. actual Labour. Don’t forget that Thatcher once described Blair and “new Labour” as her proudest achievement – a very shrewd remark since she was acknowledging that there was effectively no Labour party left now (“left” in both sense) I see Corbyn as a kind of feeble last flicker which didn’t have a chance.

324493 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #373 of 1153 🔗

Could you briefly summarise what you regard as true left?

I agree it’s not useful to let such things divide us, but I think there’s room for debate

My take on this is that the main problem is that we are governed by cowardly liars, and the opposition here and in most other places are not much better, so to characterise it as left or right doesn’t stand up

324329 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 22, #374 of 1153 🔗

So the official narrative expects us to believe

1 – the vast majority are susceptible to covid-19

2 – it is extremely infectious – you can catch it just by being near someone – hence masks and distancing and opening windows

3 – many people spread it without knowing they have it – ie asymptomatically

4 – people with it can infect other people for 10 days

and then

5 – each person gives it on average to just 1 other person!

Literally unbelievable that ‘R’ can be so small given points 1-4.

I would expect each person to give it to a) their immediate family b) someone outside their family. Otherwise it would die out.

324366 ▶▶ John001, replying to steve_w, 11, #375 of 1153 🔗

Refer the idiots to the Diamond Princess. An incredibly useful unintended experiment early in the year. Apparently <0.4% of a large group of people died despite the median age of those on board being almost 60 and the medical care perhaps less than you’d get in a good hospital in Dec 2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_Diamond_Princess

It appears that no-one under 69 succumbed.

People were mixing freely for about two weeks before an attempt at quarantine came in … I think.

I haven’t gone over it with a fine tooth comb but maybe someone has done.

324406 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John001, 8, #376 of 1153 🔗

Michael Levitt based a lot of his early calls for calm based on the Diamond Princess

324410 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #377 of 1153 🔗

John001, BBRS: Diamond Princess was and is a gift. A disease experiment you would never be allowed to conduct under normal circumstances. And (almost) everybody ignored it.

324446 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Nick Rose, #378 of 1153 🔗

I maintain that nothing can be concluded from the DP data since 10 days is not enough time to assess what the final effect might have been

An infected individual might infect 5 more individuals while they are infectious (e.g. 5 days). Those 5 infect a further 5 more each and so on. That’s an R0 rate of 5, i.e. fast.

324436 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #379 of 1153 🔗

He was wrong on that – and several other points. The DP ‘experiment’ did not run for long enough for it to be of much value. Around 20% of those on board were infected in under 2 weeks – apparently from a single case. That’s fast.

324462 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 13, #380 of 1153 🔗

Well – we’ve now had 9 months of real overall data. From that we know :

  • 2020 saw no ‘unprecedented’ level of mortality
  • Mortality from SARS-2 is heavily age-weighted, and for groups below retirement age, lethality is lower than in a medium ‘flu season
  • Masks and lockdowns – as well as other arbitrary NPI measures have no observable effect on mortality
  • The likely interpretation of the pattern is of a viral outbreak in the spring, disappearing into the endemic background by the autumn
  • That PCR tests are useless as a diagnostic tool
  • That current winter mortality is well within normal limits for the time of year
  • That SAGE, as a body, has a remarkable record of poor prediction
324495 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -1, #381 of 1153 🔗
  • 2020 saw no ‘unprecedented’ level of mortality

Disagree. Mortality in 2020 is considerably above 5 year average.

  • Mortality from SARS-2 is heavily age-weighted, and for groups below retirement age, lethality is lower than in a medium ‘flu season

Partly Agree. Lethality for under 60s is medium flu levels.

  • Masks and lockdowns – as well as other arbitrary NPI measures have no observable effect on mortality

Totally Agree.

  • The likely interpretation of the pattern is of a viral outbreak in the spring, disappearing into the endemic background by the autumn

Partly Agree. We need to wait until winter season is complete before we can confirm second part of your statement.

  • That PCR tests are useless as a diagnostic tool

Sort of Agree – but think it’s a bit of a red herring. I’m still not sure about the False Positive rate of PCR tests since no-one has explained why there was such a low rate of positive tests in the summer.

  • That current winter mortality is well within normal limits for the time of year

Disagree but data still incomplete. ONS use data registrations so quite a few to be updated. The mortality rate is currently outside (above) 2 sigma and could well go higher.

  • That SAGE, as a body, has a remarkable record of poor prediction

Hmm. No worse than Sunetra Gupta’s herd immunity reached hypothesis in March. I don’t think any side has excelled on projections. It’s not over yet so I wouldn’t like to call it for either side anyway.

324433 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to John001, -1, #382 of 1153 🔗

It would have taken longer than 2 weeks for everyone on board to have been exposed to the virus from a single index case.

324474 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, #383 of 1153 🔗

4 – people with it can infect other people for 10 days

Steve – you need to stop thinking of published numbers as the norm. 10 days probably represents the extreme high end of a gauss (normal) distribution. The words “can infect” is a hint. The mean value is probably nearer 5 days but a small percentage may still be infectious after 10 days.

5 – each person gives it on average to just 1 other person!

This is not necessarily inconsistent with point 4. The more infectious an individual the sicker they are. The sicker they are the more likely they are to be self- isolating (e.g. in bed).

Re: points 2-3. The word ‘can’ also applies. Just as *some* have been re-infected – “some* asymptomatic cases can infect others.

Unfortunately the level of risk for each event is given.

PS we were highly susceptible in the spring – but are much less so now

324333 Victoria, 6, #384 of 1153 🔗

Great Reset – “sustainable” “green”

“Of the estimated 52 billion ( #Covid19 ) masks manufactured globally in 2020, it’s believed 1.56 billion will enter our oceans this year, resulting in an additional 4,680 to 6,240 metric tonnes of marine plastic pollution”

https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1343448097205194752

2. “The 1.56 billion face masks that have entered our oceans in 2020 are there for the long run. They will remain in the ocean for 450 years or more, and they’ll break into smaller pieces.”

324337 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #385 of 1153 🔗

KCL Covid Zoe tracker shows R value peaking on 23rd December at 1.48. Latest value is 1.26 and falling

324341 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #386 of 1153 🔗

graph of R

324370 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steve_w, #387 of 1153 🔗

Like reading the horoscopes.

324390 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #388 of 1153 🔗

… only less accurate.

324414 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -6, #389 of 1153 🔗

Tom and yourself would do well to familiarise yourselves with what the R value means.

Simply dismissing something because you don’t understand is commonplace among the zealots – not sceptics.

324593 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 1, #390 of 1153 🔗

The R value is a meaningless concept based on a flawed testing system.Like all the scientific rationale behind government measures they are there to provide cover for the Governments political aims.
That is why 9 months later we are still in a Groundhog Day of continuous lockdowns.

324408 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Tom Blackburn, #391 of 1153 🔗

Actually the ZOE R estimate is, arguably, the figure which is most informative.

Daily cases don’t give us the full picture even if they are accurate since we don’t know how many have recovered.

A daily figure of 50k new infections sounds a lot but if, say, 40k a day are recovering then the overall picture looks a lot less bleak. From their app data, the ZOE study will have pretty good estimates for both sides of the equation.

324441 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 5, #392 of 1153 🔗

Unfortunately, the only broadly informative data is all-cause mortality, not the Zoe app. This has been an inherent problem ever since accurate data was irretrievably confused by a train of (deliberate?) obfuscations.

The downside, of course, is that it is lagging indicator and, of course, samples severe Covid within total deaths. But it does show whether anything unusual is happening (which has not been the case since June).

The hard fact is that there is nothing else that is reliable. The rest is noise.

324452 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mayo, 2, #393 of 1153 🔗

That may all be true but as for keeping tabs on the R number and letting it affect my mood / make adjustments to my life from the back of it? No, thanks. It’s an irrelevance to me, filed alongside the daily pollen count.

324655 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mayo, #394 of 1153 🔗

The zoe figures are based on subjective self-diagnosing by a bunch of hypochondriacs!

324419 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, #395 of 1153 🔗

Are these updated figures available on their web site.

324342 DanClarke, 10, #396 of 1153 🔗

Its becoming clear that control is the globalist plan, and the ‘virus’ the smokescreen to get it. Globalist Puppet Blair’s comments about Compliance going down was very telling. He has been manipulating the country towards this for years and now the campaign for a title to give him more respectability has kicked in. They need Vax ID’s to see who is complying and who is not

324348 dommo, 2, #397 of 1153 🔗
324361 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 10, #398 of 1153 🔗

BBC describing the start of vaccinations across the EU as ‘a touching moment of unity’… no mention of such touching moments as Germany banning the export of PPE to Italy in the Spring, the slowness of the financial aid package or delay in vaccine approval…

324373 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Smith, 4, #399 of 1153 🔗

Or the heartwarming time an RAF transport plane was sent to Turkey to collect hurriedly sourced PPE which was delayed there for days by the Turkish authorities; said PPE was subsequently declared unusable having been bought from some cowboy chancer.

324457 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 2, #400 of 1153 🔗

but turkey is not EEC.. they wont allow them to join. and anyway, isnt everyone involved in the supply of PPE a cowboy chancer

324463 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, #401 of 1153 🔗

Was still a touching moment, all in it together.

324451 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Jonathan Smith, 6, #402 of 1153 🔗

this is the start of the propaganda about how wonderful things are in the european community and how bad things are here now that we have left . just watch, every little thing will be highlighted.. Unfortunately the BBC will continue with EEC propaganda

324363 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 37, #403 of 1153 🔗

Published in the BMJ 21 Dec 2020, no fanfare:

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

Some quotes:

Unusually in disease management, a positive test result is the sole criterion for a covid-19 case. Normally, a test is a support for clinical diagnosis, not a substitute. This lack of clinical oversight means we know very little about the proportions of people with positive results who are truly asymptomatic throughout the course of their infection and the proportions who are paucisymptomatic (subclinical), presymptomatic (go on to develop symptoms later), or post-infection (with viral RNA fragments still detectable from an earlier infection).

The only test for live virus is viral culture. PCR and lateral flow tests do not distinguish live virus.

No test of infection or infectiousness is currently available for routine use.

a person who tests positive with any kind of test may or may not have an active infection with live virus, and may or may not be infectious

no study was able to culture live virus from symptomatic participants after the ninth day of illness

cycle threshold (Ct) values from PCR tests are not direct measures of viral load and are subject to error

Lots more gems in there, worth reading in full.

But why no fanfare from the BMJ?

Why is it not mentioned in the MSM?

WE all know the answer don’t we alds and lasses, boys and girls?

324364 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #404 of 1153 🔗

Suppose we should be grateful it was published at all…

324365 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #405 of 1153 🔗

Written by:

  1. Allyson M Pollock, professor of public health
  2. James Lancaster, independent researcher

Correspondence to: A M Pollock Allyson.Pollock@newcastle.ac.uk

At the bottom:

Competing interests: We have read and understood BMJ policy on declaration of interests. AP was a member of independent SAGE.

324378 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #406 of 1153 🔗

was ‘ a member of independent SAGE.’ I remember in the early stages of the pandemic, Allyson Pollock was on the broadcast media quite frequently, but much less so in recent months. It is quite significant that she has broken with Independent SAGE.

324387 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 18, #407 of 1153 🔗

Yes, in an interview on BBC news (November) she quite clearly said the public are being given “misinformation” about the PCR test and it is not evidence of an infectious individual.

324367 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #408 of 1153 🔗

my god that’s dynamite!

324375 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #409 of 1153 🔗

BMJ have printed several articles and editorials supportive* of the sceptic cause, probably guarding their back for when truth is out.

*can be used to support our case rather than written in support of it.

324384 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 19, #410 of 1153 🔗

This is the kicker :

No test of infection or infectiousness is currently available for routine use.”

Ergo – all those ‘cases’ underpinning every new panic are bollocks.

324398 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to RickH, 7, #411 of 1153 🔗

bingo! successful pcr legal case brings everything down!

324434 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to RickH, 2, #412 of 1153 🔗

Yep. Note also, answers in response to questions asked in Parliament:

Helen Whately 12 October 2020:
“We have made no assessment of the proportion of people who test positive who may be infectious at the time they are tested.”

Helen Whately 25 November 2020:
The polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test is designed to detect viral RNA. Therefore, there will be cases where the PCR test is detecting remnants of viral RNA in the absence of infectious virus.
Public Health England (PHE) has not assessed the extent to which the PCR will pick up viral remnants rather than infectious virus.
An assessment of which positive cases do not reflect contagious virus would depend on individual case by case review. PHE has not performed such a review and therefore does not hold this data.”

Methinks there are some pretty gaping holes in these answers, Ms Whately?!

324393 ▶▶ Will, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #413 of 1153 🔗

Has viral culture testing been used for to ascertain the efficacy of PCR and LFT testing?

324399 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #414 of 1153 🔗

This would not suprise any clinician would it? That these tests are only tools in the kit of diagnosis.

Ferguson is at the heart of all counter arguments to such clear and concise sceptic arguments, that is, “if we had done nothing it would have been worse”. Backed up by the ICL models pushing fantastic detj numbers and amplified by polticians looking to ensure they were protected, to do nothing was career suicide for them. All action time.

They are happy to run straight over fundamental freedoms of all people, vulnerable or not to SARS-CoV-2, on the basis of thin diagnosis and subsequent alarmist modelling (extreme IFR as well as population susceptibility parameters in particular). Hell, it was even suggested at one point a quarantine hotel type arrangement be used to remove family members from their home on the say so of a single PCR test. Where are our doctors at least arguing for proportionality? When these tests are so thin on meat, why do they support such extreme measures that undercut the same democratic values which give them the platform to speak their mind and, more, defended to do so. Such narrow thinking is evidence of a technocratic mindset for me.

They don’t care about freedom and the values which underpin it. They are elitist and not to be trusted.

324560 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #415 of 1153 🔗

It’s about a massive power grab now and financial greed. The theft of billions of pounds of public money in fact.

324989 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Awkward Git, #416 of 1153 🔗

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4941

Also calling into question results of lf mass testing results of students. 3% efficiency and 58% fp rate?

324472 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to rockoman, 2, #418 of 1153 🔗

Fantastic!! Stand up against being suppressed or you will be gone forever

324657 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to rockoman, 2, #419 of 1153 🔗

Great speech! He’s up there with Sir Desmond Swayne for me…

324661 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to rockoman, 1, #420 of 1153 🔗

Bloody brilliant.

324369 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 29, #421 of 1153 🔗

BBC R2 News 11.00.
Senior frontline London nurse

“We have a wider range of treatments to offer so more people are surviving, which is great, but this does put more pressure on us in the hospitals”.

Selfish survivor bastards.

324403 ▶▶ dommo, replying to karenovirus, 5, #422 of 1153 🔗

senior frontline London nurse should be looking for a new job…

324466 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to dommo, 6, #423 of 1153 🔗

Doubt that many of the nurse’s colleagues see a problem. NHS would be the envy of world if it weren’t for the pesky patients.

324371 TC, replying to TC, 6, #424 of 1153 🔗

Not sure if this has already been posted https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqBvMbPXYAcqBik?format=jpg&name=medium
It’s from a contributor to Dr Clare Craig’s Twitter feed.
I gather Tayside has a population of approx 420000.
Interesting?

324381 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TC, 4, #425 of 1153 🔗

Interesting is an under statement. That is total destruction for any support for in bulldozing the economy through lockdowns.

324445 ▶▶ mjr, replying to TC, 3, #426 of 1153 🔗

so for 287 covid deaths (as per the definition that the state and the MSM use to scare us – those who had tested positive within 28 days ) only 21 actually died from covid.
So less than 10% of the covid deaths are covid deaths.

I hope this has been forwarded as much as possible.

324932 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TC, #427 of 1153 🔗

Very!

324376 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 10, #428 of 1153 🔗

May I suggest that the site adopts a practice of naming the ‘NHS Senior Officers’ who come up with things like the letter discussed above the line ?

In this instance, the culpable parties were Amanda Pritchard and Julian Kelly.

324940 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to JohnB, #429 of 1153 🔗

The Shame Game.

324377 dommo, replying to dommo, 6, #430 of 1153 🔗

this is superb!!!

https://pandata.org/protocol-for-reopening-society/

found via the pcrclaims twitter – also a solid gold resource:-

https://twitter.com/pcrclaims

324552 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to dommo, 1, #431 of 1153 🔗

Well, the South African’s certainly have more intelligent scientists and politicians than we do, that’s for sure.

324379 frankfrankly, 7, #432 of 1153 🔗

I listened to the COG-UK presentation. Prof. Volz from Imperial College made a very clear, calm and rational presentation on Epidemiology of SARS-CoV-2 Genetic Variants on December 18th. He explained that there was no need for alarm, that what looks like an early trend often disappears when more info. is available and he quoted a recent example. He did not recommend any action and we know that NERVTAG agreed with him.

Somehow this became hysterical headlines about a new deadly variant and the Govt. cancelled Christmas. If this is how our country is being run, heaven help us.

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324394 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 9, #433 of 1153 🔗

From the BMJ..’People with ‘silent’ COVID-19 have as much coronavirus in their system as those with symptoms’…The gift that keeps on giving.

324397 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to yohodi, 6, #434 of 1153 🔗

Sounds like BS

324568 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DanClarke, #435 of 1153 🔗

Sounds like superstition.

324401 ▶▶ chaos, replying to yohodi, 10, #436 of 1153 🔗

I hear medium covid is as devestarting as long covid. But 157cm covid is the worst.

324416 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to chaos, 5, #437 of 1153 🔗

Yeah but you have to be psychic to know if you’ve got medium covid.

324423 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to chaos, 3, #438 of 1153 🔗

can i have 40 chest covid in long fitting please

324540 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to chaos, 2, #439 of 1153 🔗

Cos it can get through the 2m gap, obviously.

324894 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to yohodi, #440 of 1153 🔗

FFS!

324395 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 15, #441 of 1153 🔗

Morning all. I’m finding it increasingly difficult not to punch the collaborating mask wearers in the face. More so when I’ve just seen a woman in full gimp and face shield regalia.

324417 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to stefarm, 2, #442 of 1153 🔗

Maybe she was comming back from an overnight BSDM party. Well at least I hope so

324422 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Thomas_E, 9, #443 of 1153 🔗

Ahhh, yes, I wondered why she was wearing a crotchless pvc catsuit. Makes sense now.

324439 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stefarm, 1, #444 of 1153 🔗

😮

324440 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to stefarm, 1, #445 of 1153 🔗

TOO MUCH INFORMATION.

324438 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to stefarm, 4, #446 of 1153 🔗

Know what you mean, Stefarm.
This morning I came across a family throwing snowballs at one another and “you’ve got it”: wearing sodding face nappies!

324507 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #447 of 1153 🔗

Sodding, sodding wet face nappies no doubt.

324867 ▶▶ chris c, replying to stefarm, #448 of 1153 🔗

Not many maskoids outside of shops here, but I saw one last week with a scarf pulled right up, dark glasses and a hat pulled down. She looked like the female equivalent of the Invisible Man.

Also saw someone that surprised me wearing a mask while walking his dog. The mask was pink so I supect his wife bought it for him.

Most walkers still unmasked but the council has closed the public foilets again. Haven’t checked the kiddies playground which stayed open through Lockdown 2, probably closed since we went from Tier 2 straight tp Tier 4

324402 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #449 of 1153 🔗

Lockdown zealot wins my “involuntary dampener of somnolents’ nocturnal receptacle coverings” award 2020:

https://twitter.com/EEclections/status/1343178039765716993

I’m sick of people rubbing their social interactions in my face, not being safe during the pandemic as if millions aren’t suffering. It’s unfair that you choose to live your life normally while others have been isolated this entire year. Your ignorance and immaturity is showing.

Many of the replies are pure comedy gold. Even the serious ones.

324477 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #450 of 1153 🔗

such as this one
We only leave for essentials, and my son had Covid twice, and 3 separate potential exposures quarantined for precaution to bedrooms.”

324484 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 2, #451 of 1153 🔗

actually, if you go past the initial comments (77th were busy) the comments become pure sceptic

324515 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to mjr, 2, #452 of 1153 🔗

I wonder if the new edition of the dictionary will have the words “common cold” or will it be replaced by “covid”?

324551 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mjr, #453 of 1153 🔗

Jesus H Christ…

324893 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, #454 of 1153 🔗

Classic 77th!

324511 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #455 of 1153 🔗

“live your life normally”? If only …

324550 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nick Rose, #456 of 1153 🔗

She is apparently a medium. If Covid is such a killer she should be revelling in the opportunity to contact new people in the spirit world…

325164 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Nick Rose, #457 of 1153 🔗

The tweet has gone now……….

324407 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 13, #458 of 1153 🔗

Came across this explanation of the goal of propaganda this morning (in Yanis Varoufakis (2016), citing the historian Leonard Schapiro):

“the true object of propaganda is neither to convince nor even to persuade. But to produce a uniform pattern of public utterances in which the first trace of unorthodox thought reveals itself as a jarring dissonance.”

324450 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 7, #459 of 1153 🔗

It’s also to break people by getting them to say they agree with obvious lies. Broken people are controllable.

324562 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #460 of 1153 🔗

How perfectly that fits the hegemonic COVID narrative! there is not one single unorthodox topic that I can bring up with my compliant friends that does not jarr with them straight away. I’ve had to give up and say let’s agree to disagree, or else stop contacting them altogether. To say the management of this virus has destroyed ‘the fabric of society’ will mean different things to different people, to me it means conversation, civility, cooperation and friendship.

324409 Mark, replying to Mark, 16, #461 of 1153 🔗

Tony Blair ‘will be given a knighthood’ to ‘unblock’ the honours system for politicians who came later and are still waiting for a gong because of Queen’s ‘dislike of him’, sources say

  • Sources have said that officials wish to correct the imbalance in those honoured
  • Tory politicians hold 22 and Labour four of the 102 current highest honours
  • Blair angered senior royals with his handling of the death of Diana in 1997

I’m assuming this is a “kite-flying” exercise by senior Blair-supporters (of whom there are far too many amongst our social and political “elites”, including many pseudo-conservatives in the “Conservative” Party hierarchy, such as the current PM). It’s patent rubbish that subsequent PMs cannot be honoured unless Blair is first – the assumption must be that either the Queen disdains to honour any modern PMs (an understandable position, but I have no idea if it is hers), or the politicians refuse to nominate later PMs in the hope of pressuring the Queen to honour him.

To make my own position clear, this is a “red flag” issue for me in terms of my teetering residual respect for the monarchy and, by extension, the rather farcical but arguably useful honours system. If a scumbag like Blair can be honoured for what he did in office, then honours can finally be left in the waste bin of history. If the Queen cannot even resist the pressure to give her personal public approval to a contemptible rat like Blair, then the monarchy likewise can be regarded as redundant.

If she can stand up to this pressure and at least preserve her prerogative in this regard, that will at least be something. And the ability to pointedly pass over for honours individual PMs who are egregiously evil in office, such as Blair, but who are impossible to properly punish because of the complicity of too many of our elites, then that at least is not nothing.

The only prospect for real justice for the likes of Blair lies in the possibility of an afterlife of some kind. They have successfully evaded it in this life. But these kinds of honours loom larger in the vision of such people than one might think.

324415 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 6, #462 of 1153 🔗

Looks like they want their global puppet to have a title to ‘enhance’ his (credibility) in order for him to keep up the covid propaganda machine.

324455 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DanClarke, 5, #463 of 1153 🔗

Doubtless. Justice for Blair’s unpunished crimes is enough for me to approve any measure against him, but there is as you say a pragmatic reason for opposing any honours given to him, as they all further enable him to push yet more evil.

324431 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Mark, 7, #464 of 1153 🔗

dont forget every government since Blair went has been new labour. Cameron was new labour. Johnson is new labour

324447 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mjr, 5, #465 of 1153 🔗

They are indeed all Blairites.

324491 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mjr, #466 of 1153 🔗

… which was a right wing neoliberal philosophy.

Truth told – the disaster tracks back to the right’s Thatcher/Reagan worship of deregulated global capital.

324519 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 5, #467 of 1153 🔗

Yes, of course it does Rick, that’s why the Johnson regime wanted to follow the Swedish route in February, and the likes of Jeremy Corbyn ranted so hysterically about “saving the NHS”, “putting money ahead of lives”, “herd immunity is eugenics” and “if it saves one life” until the panic was fully in place.

When your life-long beliefs require departing so fundamentally from reality, you have a choice – persist in those beliefs and deny reality or reexamine those beliefs to find out where you went wrong.

On this, it’s clear you have chosen the former.

324522 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Mark, 1, #468 of 1153 🔗

Can’t remember Corbyn ranting at all let alone hysterically.

324532 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #469 of 1153 🔗

Anyone claiming this “pandemic” needed more urgent policies was “hysterical” as far as I’m concerned – I saw through that from the beginning. On 15th March, the British government was facing endless criticism for not being tough enough. Italy and Spain were already in full lockdown. Other countries were showing signs of following, but Britain was still resisting. What was Corbyn’s position?

“The government seems complacent”
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says he has written a letter to the prime minister asking why advice on coronavirus “is different to that given in almost every other European country”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1239257257466122247

324521 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to mjr, 2, #470 of 1153 🔗

Can’t agree with that at all. Cameron was a completely useless idiot whose policies tripled the deficit even after Austerity. Johnson is nothing even discernible to a Blairite he is a power crazed Libertine and a Fascist. He’s also a charlatan, buffoon and a pathological liar. A serious narcissist.

Whatever people think of Blair this country enjoyed a period of sustained growth, low unemployment, sensible social policies which made it worthwhile for single parents and vulnerable people to access work. There were many many good policies well thought out, based on extensive consultation and effective. Don’t let the Iraq War define other aspects of his terms as Prime Minister. His greatest achievement was to establish peace in Northern Ireland. I know this won’t be a popular view on here but the danger is to condemn someone for everything rather than one thing.

324541 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Dominich, 6, #471 of 1153 🔗

Most of Blair’s supposed “achievements -especially in Ireland and on economics, built on the firm foundations set by Thatcher.

Otherwise, most of his policies were either counterproductive or actually disastrous, especially two – the morally criminal blunder that was the Iraq War, and the cynical opening of the floodgates to mass immigration, for explicitly political and radical ends.

The numbers entering the country after 1997 were literally unprecedented in all of known history, even as a proportion of the population, and those dramatically increased numbers have now been sustained broadly now for nearly twenty five years, through several supposedly “conservative” (actually Blairite) governments. The country has already been transformed, with a formerly broadly stabilising population returned to a growth track.

324470 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Mark, 4, #472 of 1153 🔗

If Bercow, correctly, did not make it to the Lords because of his parliamentary contortions, how can the mendacious and genocidal Blair be honoured? It’s a pity we don’t have a corresponding system of ‘dishonours’.

324481 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 4, #473 of 1153 🔗

The Queen has been a disappointment

I can only hope she has gone along with the coronabollocks out of respect for the democratic process rather than that she buys into it, but the signs are not good

324485 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Julian, 7, #474 of 1153 🔗

I agree. The royals now just represent a rather posh soap opera now. They have absolutely no relevance.

324486 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Mark, 2, #475 of 1153 🔗

I’m hoping the sword has been sharpened and that Liz sneezes at the most unfortunate time, and there’s no more word spoken of phoney Tony

324490 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Mark, 1, #476 of 1153 🔗

those after him like bigot Broon, call me (Runaway) Dave and Treason May. I wouldnt worry about holding anything up for those useless twats

324787 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mark, 1, #477 of 1153 🔗

Bear in mind that someone like Blair seems desperate to be popular and relevant – he keeps popping up with some new initiative or other – but none of them quite seem to work. I take some comfort in this at least.

324814 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 1, #478 of 1153 🔗

‘teetering respect’ because of Sir Jimmy Savile ? 🙂 (sorry, being mischievous.) .

324421 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 18, #479 of 1153 🔗

For those who keep banging on that Sweden is now in lockdown:

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/regulations-and-general-guidelines/

The Public Health Agency of Sweden’s regulations and general guidelines relating to everyone’s responsibility to prevent COVID-19 infections These regulations enter into force on 14 December 2020 and shall remain valid until 30 June 2021.
Personal responsibility You are obliged to take precautionary measures to protect yourself and others from the spread of COVID-19. You should think about how you can avoid getting infected and how can avoid infecting others. You should show consideration for your fellow human beings. This is especially important in relation to vulnerable persons.
Basic precautionary measures In order to avoid the spread of COVID-19, you should:

  1. Stay at home if you have any symptoms of COVID-19.
  2. Wash your hands frequently and thoroughly, or use hand sanitiser.
  3. Stay up-to-date with any specific recommendations issued by the Public Health Agency of Sweden and the regional medical officer.

Limit any new close contacts You should limit your new close contacts by only mixing with the people whom you usually meet. For example, this can include the people you live together with or a small number of friends or people from outside your household.
If you meet people other than those in your smaller circle, you should all:

  1. Avoid being in close proximity to one another, especially in confined spaces for extended periods of time.
  2. Seek to mix outdoors where possible.

Maintain your distance from others and avoid crowded settings You should keep your distance from other people. It is especially important when spending a longer period of time with someone and when you are indoors.
You should avoid locations such as shops, shopping centres and public transport if they are crowded. If at all possible, you should shop alone and should not stay in places such as shops for any longer than is necessary.
Work from home as often as this is possible Whenever possible, you should agree with your employer to work from home. If possible, you should also adjust your working hours in order to avoid crowding on public transport and at your place of work.
When you are at your place of work, you should maintain a distance from others in settings such as meetings, break rooms and changing rooms.
Ensure that you travel in a way that minimises the risk of infection You should ensure that you travel in a way that minimises the risk of infection. This may mean that you have to use alternative modes of transport to public transport and other forms of transport where seating reservations are not available. This could include walking, cycling or travelling by car.
In the case of longer journeys, this may mean that you:

  1. Avoid meeting new contacts during your journey and at your destination.
  2. Can ensure that you are able to isolate at your destination or make your way home in a manner that is secure from an infection control perspective in the event that you develop COVID-19 symptoms.

Engage in sporting and leisure activities in a way that minimises the risk of infection Sporting and leisure activities are vital for public health. However, you should ensure that you engage in such activities in a way that minimises the risk of infection. In order to enable persons born in 2004 or earlier to play sports or take part in other leisure activities in such a manner, they should:

  1. Maintain a distance from one another.
  2. Avoid sharing equipment with each other.
  3. Engage in the activity outdoors when this is possible.
  4. Avoid communal changing rooms.
  5. Travel separately to and from the activity.
  6. Engage in the activity in smaller groups.

These guidelines do not apply to persons engaging in professional sport or children and young people born in 2005 or later.

324435 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #480 of 1153 🔗

They have basically moved from trying to undermine the Swedish approach to out-and-out lying about it.

324469 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #481 of 1153 🔗

The way Sweden has been deliberately misrepresented is one of the most distasteful things – you can see and hear these bastards willing the Swedes to actually fail and for lots of people to die

And keep reminding people, Sweden’s approach is ORTHODOX, everyone else’s is controversial and experimental

324459 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #482 of 1153 🔗

How on earth is the Oxford group going to place this in Oxford’s stringency index for Sweden?
Posted earlier a severe criticism of the index

https://www.aier.org/article/oxfords-stringency-index-is-falling-apart/

Anybody reading these guidelines would find them as only recommendations and not legally binding, and would have a very low value on the Oxford index.
This is the fallacy of all modelling. You start feeding one wrong thing from the beginning and coming out a result which suits your view.
If these social researchers view these as harsh, on the index ,they would then look at graphs with cases and deaths and produce “evidence” of usefulness of lockdowns etc.

 Every modelling should have a health warning but the Oxford index is a disaster and completely arbitrary.

324503 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to swedenborg, #483 of 1153 🔗

Well it is a Swedish government document…

324566 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to swedenborg, 1, #484 of 1153 🔗

Yes, indexes like this have big problems as you try to encapsulate the entire world, which is complicated, into a simple modelling exercise, and there are problems with how much weight you put on each criterion.

I’ve seen the same sort of problem with indexes that attempt to measure democracy. For example, the Nordic countries usually come in at the top, but then you also have countries like Australia (probably the most authoritarian country in the Western world – no bill of rights and a deeply authoritarian culture, with few limits on executives at the federal or state level) also coming in near the top. For democratic quality, there are many criteria to consider and not everyone agrees on these or (more importantly) how much weight to put on each criterion.

These indexes are probably better than nothing, but need to come with a big health warning, which they usually don’t. I use them very carefully and point out the problems with them when teaching or writing.

324547 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #485 of 1153 🔗

The tone of these regulations is markedly less authoritarian than ours. I think if I lived in Sweden I might take notice, whereas we are dictated to in a highly patronising way.

324559 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Marialta, 2, #486 of 1153 🔗

We are infantilised and many people seem to like it. Working in the academic world for years, I’ve noticed this before and have been worried for some time. It will only get worse as the number of ‘snowflakes’ increases.

324577 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #487 of 1153 🔗

The public health nudging in he UK has been very infantile as you put it for a long time. If you take the ‘5 a day’ advice and food colour coding it all seems pitched at a primary school level. Also, I despise the British Transport Police security campaign “See it, Say it, Sort it” on the the tube.

324810 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, #488 of 1153 🔗

Do they explain anywhere why professional sportspeople are less likely to become infected than us amateurs ?

324426 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #489 of 1153 🔗

Not for the faint hearted:

The Guardian: Scientists fought coronavirus, now they face the battle against disinformation.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/28/scientists-fought-coronavirus-now-they-face-the-battle-against-disinformation

324468 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #490 of 1153 🔗

“Fought the virus”

FFS

324494 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #491 of 1153 🔗

Well written drivel – like this:

Even if much of the science remains obscure to many, the public’s trust in science and scientists is perhaps as high as it has ever been. And now, as this miserable year draws to a close, science is emerging victorious from its bumpy ride, having produced an impressive range of vaccines, each delivering in its own novel way the genetic instructions to make the molecular ammunition to fight back against the virus.

324881 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to godowneasy, #492 of 1153 🔗

Good grief!!

324429 Lockdown_Lunacy, 30, #493 of 1153 🔗

Hi all,

Hope you had a decent Christmas in the circumstances.

We hosted 6 refugees from London and Surrey, the epicentres of this deadly plague. We woke up on Boxing Day to find out that Hampshire had also become a plague zone. It must have had something to do with all of the green mist and droplets emanating from my house…

Took a huge, huge risk and kept the windows closed. Don’t tell Whitty, but I spent a lot of time fixing my ancient central heating this year and wanted to use it to good effect. Forgive me! I will wear 4 face masks in Tesco from now on as an offering to the coronavirus gods.

324430 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 17, #494 of 1153 🔗

One of the justifications used for lockdown is that covid is highly infectious and if lockdowns were not in place people with covid would infect others. The article below shows that people with covid didn’t infect other member of their households which undermines the notion covid is highly infectious.

Risk of catching coronavirus from a family member you live with is just 16.6% | Daily Mail Online

Have you had flu or known others with flu and did you find they didn’t infect others around them. How infectious flu is might give a comparison how infectious covid is.

324444 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ianric, 9, #495 of 1153 🔗

Lockdowns increase risk for vulnerable groups by; increasing their relative mobility, hindering community immunity, slowing the formation of more infectious but less virulent variants.

324449 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Ianric, 9, #496 of 1153 🔗

Me and hubby had bad ‘flu Feb 2019 (I’ve never knowingly had it before) and it took me a few months to recover. Long ‘flu, lol.

Son who was living with us had very mild symptoms, not even amounting to a cold.

I believe this statistic, but nothing seems to dent the juggernaut and I despair as to what it will take.

324483 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Dame Lynet, 14, #497 of 1153 🔗

Me and my wife had very bad flu in December, 18 and were not totally over it until about the following April, but we didn’t think for one moment that we were going to die.
We were both 70 at the time.
I honestly think that millions of people have turned into namby namby wimps who need to “get a grip” and stop believing over hyped hysterical “Boll××ks”.

324513 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Dame Lynet, 15, #498 of 1153 🔗

Gove is already hinting today at the whole of England being in Tier 4 and that they are just waiting because he doesn’t want to preempt a scientific decision. That’s it then, Lockdown again, more jobs lost, more business lost, mass unemployment looming all for what? So that Johnson et al can further line their own pockets and those of their friends and supporters. Once they’ve fully exploited that little gravy train they will walk away, like the guys from Enron, exceedingly rich leaving a monumental economic destruction behind and not having to take an iota of responsibility for it.

One of the worse things for me about this is that none of them, Johnson, Wancock, Witless, Unbalanced, Pantsdown and others don’t actually give a damn about this country, it’s economy, it’s citizens, it’s business and industries, they are solely interested in themselves and furthering their own financial interests.

324807 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #499 of 1153 🔗

They’ll line their pockets and those of their friends/supporters. But it will be exceedingly temporary – few of them will have seats on Alternative 3/Fantasy Island/Shangri-la.

324526 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Ianric, 8, #500 of 1153 🔗

One of the features of research into a cure for the common cold was that it was found to be very difficult to infect healthy volunteers, thus restricting further research.

Covid is, in my view, very difficult to catch: it transmits easily enough but relies on the host to make use of it. That’s why the new vaccine trials faced the problem of finding real cases amongst their healthy volunteers.

Infection doesn’t just rely on transmissability: it relies on having a suitable host. Such hosts are to be found in large numbers in care homes and on cruise ships: they won’t be found in households where half the members are young, active and fit.

So whether flu (or the common cold) or covid is more or less infectious than the other is, in my view, a non-question: it is better to ask, “What is the state of health of the likely host?”. That will give you a better answer to the question of infectiousness.

325004 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Ianric, #501 of 1153 🔗

This study was mentioned on Ls last week and I’ve mentioned it several times in reply to comments on the Dm. Good to have something more palpabke to point to.

324442 dpj, replying to dpj, 11, #502 of 1153 🔗

Just seen this updated page on BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-53511877

All of mainland Scotland is now in tier 4 but looking at most up to date figures and the criteria that determines what tier you should be in nowhere should be in level 4, 5 areas should be in level 3 and everywhere else in levels 2 or below. Absolute madness.

324549 ▶▶ jb12, replying to dpj, #503 of 1153 🔗

But, but, but the mutant strain!!

324743 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to dpj, 1, #504 of 1153 🔗

Yet more evidence that very few people are actually reading beyond the headlines.

The author is keen to make sure that we understand that the real situation is even worse than the figures suggest: ‘ The actual number of people infected since February will be far higher than the overall confirmed cases figure, as many people who have Covid-19 are not tested.’ Y et the Government data provided in the same article indicates that there’s nothing unusual going on for the time of year (apart from the hysteria of the media and the punitive restrictions imposed by Kim-Jong Nik and her acolytes).

324443 Mark, replying to Mark, 19, #505 of 1153 🔗

the tragic story of a young American girl who lost her college place when a vengeful classmate released an embarrassing SnapChat video she’d posted when she was 15 in which she used a racial epithet .”

Just another confirmation, for those with eyes unblinded by dogma, that the major source of hatred in the modern US sphere is overwhelmingly anti-racist dogma (anti-white racism, basically), not conventional “racism”. This has been true since at least the 1990s in the societies of the US sphere.

This appears, on the surface at least, to be a case of a childhood bitterness and hatred nursed for years, and manifested in an opportunistic exploitation of a vast over-reaction to the lies of the BLM movement. This is no different to a “revenge porn” revelation, but in this case exploited for hatred rather than for money, and approved of and enabled by the woke elites running our media and institutions.

This is the society the left has created, with endless propaganda and indoctrination, over the past few decades.

324461 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Mark, 4, #506 of 1153 🔗

Plus I believe the ‘racist’ epithet is the one used by black people all the time.

324558 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Dame Lynet, #507 of 1153 🔗

You hear it all the time in LA.

324571 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Smelly Melly, #508 of 1153 🔗

My friend and I call each other ‘Doll’ and she addresses birthday cards to me as Dollface’ this is a term of endearment between two old female friends who back in the day were fighting for women’s liberation. Gay language between friends is also replete with terms that are ok as part of a subculture, but lose all meaning and become inappropriate when used by an ‘out group’.

324473 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #509 of 1153 🔗

I cannot see any good ending to this, sadly

324475 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, -1, #510 of 1153 🔗

Errr … more ‘rightism’ denial – which group has been in political control in the UK for a decade, and is the agency responsible for Covidism.

… and no – I’m not in the least interested in defending the elements of the left that are on board with this shitshow – just pointing out the bleedin’ obvious.

I’m just tired of the guilty denial of reality which sounds like ‘it wasn’t me sir’.

324489 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to RickH, #511 of 1153 🔗

Yes, I’m not impressed by the ‘Woke Gobbledegook’ section. This entire ‘woke’, ‘indentity politics’ lark has nothing to do with the Left. It’s just a straw man theatre.

324952 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to George Mc, 1, #512 of 1153 🔗

Gobbledegook was recently banned on a social media outlet because gook(s) was a name used by GIs to describe the Vietnamese. So you never know.

324510 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 10, #513 of 1153 🔗

I refer the Honourable Gentleman to the answer I gave the last time he pretended that leftists who outright worship the NHS, who continue the ongoing radical gamble with the very existence of the nation that is mass immigration (started by Blair to “rub the right’s noses in diversity”), who operate by unlimited state spending “funded” by the magic money tree, and who support politically correct censorship via “hate speech” laws, and active indoctrination in political correctness issues are in some meaningful sense “right wing”.

It seems to be based on your delusional obsession with left/right being determined solely by the position adopted on formal ownership of wealth, which is a relative triviality that was resolved against your position in the 1970s and that you have never managed to come to terms with. For some reason you think it’s vital that vast, soul-destroying, individuality crushing endeavours must be run by people enabled by political power rather than monetary power.

And it’s the same answer given the previous dozens of times you’ve floated this hobby horse of yours.

I’m not in the least interested in defending the elements of the left that are on board with this shitshow

Of course you aren’t, because it renders your position absurd. We have to believe that virtually every prominent leftist institution, from Jeremy Corbyn to academe and the mainstream media, is on board with this coronapanic despite it being a “right wing” project, and we would have to close our eyes completely to the way that the aforementioned left, from Corbyn to the now members of “Independent SAGE”, howled down the original plans in February to follow a Swedish-style response, with explicitly left-wing hysterics about “saving the NHS”, “putting money ahead of lives”, “herd immunity is eugenics” and “if it saves one life”.

That’s the degree of self-delusion you have to maintain, in order to persist in this self-serving, politically partisan fantasy you have pushed here endlessly, despite being incapable of addressing any of those points. I suppose it’s just too painful, after a lifetime commitment to a “left” that you defined to suit your own agendas, to accept that the left has been winning for decades, but without you or your particular concerns and obsessions on board.

324595 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Mark, #514 of 1153 🔗

I would say that everyone – or at least anyone with the power to actually influence policy – is on board with this ‘shitshow’. It is certainly being played out with a ‘Leftist’ veneer which I have described many times. It is convenient that it happens to fit in with that “Bolsheviks have taken over everything” obsession of the Right.

The basic blurb as far as I can make out is that covid provides the central engine of this end-of-neoliberalism scenario whereby we are supposed to presume that the Western governments are truly running scared before all those protest groups. The Left are being invited to cheer on the virus restrictions and see covid as ushering in The Revolution. If so, it is the first revolution to come from above. Unless you assume that the Bolsheviks were indeed funded by Wall Street – but even if that were true, it still proves my basic point i.e. that this is a ‘revolution from above’.

No matter what various Left sites try to make out it was certainly not ‘the people’ who forced the restrictions. Pardon my conspiratorial paranoia but I think the same forces are in charge as always – it’s just that changing times and circumstances force them to play out different spiels. This is the revolution comrade!

324612 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to George Mc, 9, #515 of 1153 🔗

Just to intervene.What we are experiencing is a world wide fascist coup.The modern left have gone along with the very people they should despise.Billionaires are becoming richer while the working/middle classes are being screwed.
They have become Lenin’s useful idiots because the coup is clothed in a flimsy veneer of identity politics and green issues and their chosen professions haven’t been touched yet.
Arguing about left and right is irrelevant.

324634 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #516 of 1153 🔗

Well said JP. I admit that Mark’s post almost provoked me into going into Marxist boiler plate mode. But I’m caring less and less under the onslaught of this relentless ‘shitshow’ we are seeing. I have been hearing about the ‘Great Reset’ a lot and I think that’s what we are seeing I.e. the most audacious restructuring of socio-economic reality since WW2. I have no idea what that means right now but I don’t think it bodes well.

324958 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to jonathan Palmer, #517 of 1153 🔗

Mighty Gabby – Government Boots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZlExF7fP5c

324530 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, 1, #518 of 1153 🔗

err- blairites . certainly the Conservatives are not conservatives.
but you are correct . it is not “the left” as such. it is the liberals – who come from all sides and who are symbolised by academia / MSM / BBC / NHS admin / quangos (what many call the metropolitan elite) who tend to be the ones who promulgate the “woke” agenda (for want of a better word) . these people have nothing in common with the left of the old labour party as i remember them. In fact they detest the working class.
unfortunately they tend to vote democrat/ corbyn.

324603 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 6, #519 of 1153 🔗

The Blairites have been in control of this country since 1997,but that misses the point.Johnson has been ably assisted by Starmer.Drakeford wears a red rosette.The old divide is dead.You are either for freedom or globalist tyranny now.

324448 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 24, #520 of 1153 🔗

Just a plea, when you use an image of ancock can you use this one please…

324456 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to cloud6, 5, #521 of 1153 🔗

This x a million! I can’t stand seeing his face.

324460 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to cloud6, 4, #522 of 1153 🔗

Nah, he’s uglier than that.

324471 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to cloud6, 9, #523 of 1153 🔗

That gormless expression of his always puts me in mind of the sketch on Not the Nine O’clock News when Rowan Atkinson plays someone who realises he is being filmed, becomes distracted and promptly walks into a lamp post.

324517 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to cloud6, 2, #524 of 1153 🔗

That would look even better if it was the hangman’s hood.

324647 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to cloud6, 2, #525 of 1153 🔗

or try this one

324454 Bugle, 6, #526 of 1153 🔗

He who pays the piper calls the tune. That would be China, then.

324458 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 13, #527 of 1153 🔗

Covid aka Controlled Society is the aim. As we can now see, Covid is not a deadly disease, no where near but it is somewhat controlling although as Blair says, ‘not enough compliance’

324482 ▶▶ Kat, replying to DanClarke, 6, #528 of 1153 🔗

‘not enough compliance’ from the man who was accused of flouting quarantine rules when he didn’t self isolate after a trip to the US in October. I don’t agree with any of these strictures but Blair must think we are truly stupid not to see the rank hypocrisy.

324524 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Kat, 6, #529 of 1153 🔗

Blair knows how truly hypocritical people are – 9.5 million Labour voters chose to keep him in power and in office when he was already an established war criminal.

324464 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 1, #530 of 1153 🔗

COV-ID Covert ID

324496 ▶▶ Binra, replying to DanClarke, #531 of 1153 🔗

Certificate of vaccination ID

But so what?
What’s in a name?

nervtag
sage

To the magician everything is in the name,
but to the Creative Responsibility of knowing what you do, everything is in the true word of your heart.
If you look to the mind for meaning you find meany and conflicted meanings in which you can become lost or misguided.
If you look to the word that is written on your heart, your mind will align in serving its revealing.

That manipulations seek to redefine and redirect the mind, is also part of entrancing the passive reception to a pushed agenda. You do not have to turn to that channel or even stay in the room. yet everything in that room is set to keep you looking there for who you are. More channels appear but are they fronts for a blocked Channel?
Is the Miracle of Life looking through your mind even as a trickle of a sense that something is happening? But has no time to notice what!

What is actually happening that is being called covid?
Is your name being called?
You do not have to answer the phone because it rings.

324538 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Binra, 3, #532 of 1153 🔗

Do you know the history of Blair and his ID fetish?

324836 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to DanClarke, #533 of 1153 🔗

No.
There was a hidden association with something but I don’t recall what.

324465 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 7, #534 of 1153 🔗
324480 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Suzyv, 4, #535 of 1153 🔗

wonder what it would take for them to see how utterly ridiculous they look

324518 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Suzyv, 6, #536 of 1153 🔗

Meanwhile, someone in pain/distress is pressing a button by their bed needing assistance …

324523 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to kh1485, 3, #537 of 1153 🔗

Yes, those damned patients are always causing trouble!

324868 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, #538 of 1153 🔗

No problem. According to the comments, the beds are empty.

324785 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Suzyv, #539 of 1153 🔗

Has anyone noticed how many of these videos are clearly not from the UK, but are being posted as if they are? Possibly to try to discredit NHS staff?

324476 Binra, replying to Binra, 4, #540 of 1153 🔗


https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-tipping-point.html

The role of fear, stress, shock, trauma, and strain in disease is not discountable – and yet our aversion to reliving or raw exposure to such experience operates as a reflexive distancing, and narrative masking, so as to be comforted in a diagnosis and action plan as a prop and focus for thinking and feeling, for that purpose alone – when the alternative is unthinkable.
Th tipping point is a popular motif in the minds of those who want to change the world by changing the minds of others. The piling up of Fear and Guilt campaign narratives that has been crowned with a corona virus – is the summoning or invocation of the ‘devil’ of our fears, guilts and hate. The swamp is draining to reveal the beast and it cannot be separated from the underlying fears and the defences erected to lid over and mask out to a world of distances – which is rapidly shrinking – for where is there to flee to start a new world now?

If a manipulative desperation invokes fear for the purpose of control, and thinks to escape as the wielder of the stick, then I see it as being no less deceived and controlled by an ‘alien will’ that cares nothing for its tools. There is no love in it, but only manipulation of the image and form of love’s seeming.

There is another way of looking at this, and that is to see what is coming to awareness as a process of healing, re-education, reintegration and the undoing of self-illusion to a greater appreciation of presence and participation in life.

Perhaps the addict syndrome will serve, for until the addict bottoms out, they are set in the intent and attempt to evade deeper conflict via the patterns of addiction that ‘save’ them from facing their fear in truth. Every kind of substitute and displacement of self-betrayal may play out with obviously distressing result and yet until a tipping point is reached, the mind will do and say anything to maintain its evasion, as an action that has no context of consciousness or choice until the bubble pops to the recognition of connecting, as the context of being rather than as a self-lack seeking to GET itself in external associations that then become the habit patterns of survival set against a horror that has no name – and yet becomes the nightmare of contagion to a world of dreams that was set in lack driven need rather than needs recognised in their movement of fulfilment.

the Unconscious is stuffed with terrors of suppressed and denied experience, and yet consider any moment or flow of moment of unselfconscious joy. Or indeed consider the children or the lilies of the field. The fear that Life is evil, hateful and malign is what we have made in error and reacted to as real by recoil to lockdown in denial and projection as a masking escape or cover story in which to make time as delay, or for the recognition and reintegration to the timeless – for time is a function of mind, and to lose our sense of connection is to be out of sync with All That Is. As a split off sense of dissociation given worth and value as a guide and protector, in a realm of power struggle as replaced a lost awareness of power at rest in wholeness of expression.

324971 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Binra, -1, #541 of 1153 🔗

Boris’s government is reminding me more and more of the Bush administration of 20 years ago. A daily piling on of fear paranoia and stress.

324478 dommo, replying to dommo, 21, #542 of 1153 🔗

this makes for very enjoyable reading-

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-covid-crimes-tribunal/

fingers crossed!

324512 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to dommo, 2, #543 of 1153 🔗

Please God, soon. I hope the hangman is as incompetent as Master Sergeant Woods.

324580 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to dommo, 1, #544 of 1153 🔗

But who would / could do it? And why would this have any more success than the Simon Dolan case?

324479 David101, replying to David101, 1, #545 of 1153 🔗

I would agree with all of Johnny Peppiat’s 10 reasons to oppose lockdown, except No.9. I think that the “misinformation” (or information contrary to the official narrative), is available not mainly (albeit partly) by merit of it’s being less refutable than the filtered-out material. Rather it is information of equal refutability (or otherwise), but luckily contains the type of material that allows it to slip past the AI bots trawling the net in a “search and destroy” campaign against dissenting voices.
I think this is the key to getting your voice out there: learning how AI censorship rolls and hence how to second guess its algorithms to slip by unnoticed. As Toby pointed out on here, the way to avoid Twitter censorship, for example, is to include links to “reputable” or mainstream sources such as the WHO, Sage, etc. or to MSM media.

324972 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to David101, #546 of 1153 🔗

AI is not that intelligent after all. Not very flexible.

324487 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 21, #547 of 1153 🔗

“Lockdown kills. It’s as simple as that.”

Maajid Nawaz questions why the British public is being “scared and bumped into supporting another lockdown”.

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1343506871257346049

324497 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 6, #548 of 1153 🔗

Good man Maajid. I wonder what he thinks of that absolute wet blanket Shelia Fogarty at LBC. She is horrendously committed to the lockdown mantra and the vaccine saviour myth.

324674 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #549 of 1153 🔗

She’s a fat, gluttonous, ugly bastard spouting bullshit day after day. Who the fuck would choose to listen to a cunt like her?

324693 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Biker, #550 of 1153 🔗

She’s awful. When schools are open I have her on in the car from about 2 till 2.20 as I pick up the daughter. Just to hear what lockdown love in she is orchestrating that day. I always end up shouting at the radio

324520 ▶▶ alw, replying to Victoria, 4, #551 of 1153 🔗

A must watch 👏 👏 👏 . More and more people are speaking up. Even the the daughter in law this morning 👏 👏 👏

324546 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Victoria, 2, #552 of 1153 🔗

Brilliant stuff. I’ll have to start listening to Maajid again. He has great reach so this is positive.

324548 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 4, #553 of 1153 🔗

He’s spot on as far as I’m concerned. Masses of absolute bedwetters getting upset in the comments though.

324861 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, 1, #554 of 1153 🔗

Probably sent from 77th for damage control.

324855 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #555 of 1153 🔗

Awesome!

324488 Brett_McS, replying to Brett_McS, 16, #556 of 1153 🔗

Very worthwhile watching the latest Ivor Cummings videos where they discuss lockdowns.

The point is made that locking down healthy people actually makes the situation worse from a viral point of view – not just because of other issues caused by lockdowns – because it reduces the herd immunity level in the young/healthy population, thereby making it more risky for the elderly/sick population when the lockdown ends. Very good point.

324535 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Brett_McS, 9, #557 of 1153 🔗

They know that, of course. And one reason why I have gone shopping two or three times a week to pickup the latest pathogens that are doing the rounds.

324492 HoMojo, 1, #558 of 1153 🔗

I couldn’t make up my mind about this woman but as this insanity proceeds I am more and more coming round to her way of thinking.

https://home.solari.com/deep-state-tactics-101-the-covid-injection-fraud-its-not-a-vaccine/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1-0XKYAZII&feature=emb_logo

324499 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 12, #559 of 1153 🔗

On going for a walk this misty cold morning, I jokingly said to my husband I wonder if those people at the end opf our road will be sat on on their driveways chatting to their neighbours, and very much to our surprise they were! I shouted out “I don’t believe you are still doing this!” They said “We fancied a chat.” Unbelievable! They weren’t wearing masks which I suppose is something!

324525 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #560 of 1153 🔗

You should have called the police!

This happened to a colleagues mother who lives in sheltered housing in April. They all used to come out with their chair at 6pm to chat, and a vicious neighbour called the police every day to report a “breach of social distancing”.

324553 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Silke David, 3, #561 of 1153 🔗

I hope somebody helps his house ventilation by removing his windows.

324500 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #562 of 1153 🔗

Part 1
Article copied from: https://www.thebernician.net/covid-1984-pcp-update-prima-facie-evidence-of-pandemic-fraud/
COVID-1984 PCP Update | Prima Facie Evidence of Pandemic Fraud
Posted on 22nd December 2020 by The Bernician

Over the course of the past month, we have amassed a plethora of prima facie evidence, which proves that the defendants in the Private Criminal Prosecution are responsible for COVID-1984 and are guilty of multiple acts of pandemic fraud.
Whilst we are more than confident that we now have enough evidence to justify the issue of either a warrant or a summons, we are still waiting for key FOI responses, which are due to be received no later than today.
In the event we receive the responses due, we will be aiming to lay the new information before Christmas. If all the key the responses don’t come in, we will be forced to wait until the new year.
However, in the meantime, here lies a summary of the allegations we can prove beyond reasonable doubt.

False Representation The defendants knowingly relied upon the following dishonest statements for material gain, in breach of section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006 :
a. 510,000 people would perish due to Sars-Cov2 in the UK alone, if the draconian measures imposed had not been introduced.
b. Sars-Cov2 is an airborne High Consequence Infectious Disease [HCID], worthy of being declared a worldwide pandemic, as well as a Public Health Emergency.
c. Sars-Cov2 has been isolated and purified, and therefore, proven to exist.
d. Masks are a safe and effective method of preventing the spread of Sars-Cov2.
e. The policies introduced were entirely founded on the latest scientific data available.
f. PCR tests detect the presence of Sars-Cov2 in the human body.

Non-Disclosure In breach of section 3 of the 2006 Act, we have prima facie evidence that shows the defendants have also knowingly failed to disclose that:
a. Two days after the WHO declared a worldwide pandemic on 11/03/2020, which was also the day that the inflated Imperial College predictions were pre-published and disclosed to the WHO, Sars-Cov2 was reclassified as not being an HCID on 13/03/2020.
The WHO’s declaration was founded upon Neil Ferguson’s computer-generated Imperial College Model released on 16/03/2020, which falsely predicted that there would be 510,000 Covid deaths in the UK, if the strict lockdown restrictions were not imposed. He did so on the same day of the 1st reading of the Coronavirus Bill 2020, sponsored by Matt Hancock.
b. The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens, the Department of Health & Social care [DHSC] and Public Health England [PHE] unanimously agreed that Sars-Cov2 should no longer be classified as an airborne HCID, before the 1st reading of the 2020 Act on 16/03/2020. Three days later, on 19/03/2020, news of the reclassification was published by PHE, which was six days after the decision to reclassify the supposed pandemic.
Yet, on the 23rd of March 2020, BoJo decreed the first lockdown, which was given the force and effect of the legislature on 26/02/2020, despite the fact that Neil Ferguson had reduced the Imperial Model predictions from 510,000 to 20,000 deaths by no later than 24/03/2020 – the day after the initial lockdown decree and two days before the 2020 Act was passed.
Moreover, the so-called undisclosed ‘science’ relied upon by the defendants was and remains the Imperial College model, the credibility of which had been emphatically destroyed before the Coronavirus Bill was enacted, along with the purported legitimacy of the Public Health Emergency declared by the secretary of state, upon the advice of other defendants to this action.
c. It is well established that Sars-Cov2 has never been isolated or purified and has therefore never been proven to exist. In fact, no supposed strain of Coronavirus ever has been.
d. The defendants have all materially gained or stand to gain from long-standing commitments to maximise vaccination uptake in the UK, for the purposes of which they engaged in engineering an entirely fraudulent pandemic, in order to justify a mandatory or compulsory vaccination agenda.
e. PCR tests have been scientifically proven to detect human RNA sequences, not viruses or disease, whilst a Portuguese court recently declared that the tests are useless in relation to detecting the presence of a virus or disease.
f. It is also alleged that the WHO approved flu vaccines that have been administered from 2019-20 in the UK, which kill 377 of every 100,000 healthy people who take them and have never been tested on the sick and the vulnerable; and that these flu vaccines have been responsible for many of the deaths which have been dishonestly recorded as Covid deaths, in accordance with the 2020 Act, which provides for the falsification of death certificates.

..continues below …

324501 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #563 of 1153 🔗

Part 2

Since the new Covid vaccines have never been subjected to rigorous and empirically controlled safety tests and because they contain many, if not all, of the same ingredients, it can be reasonably presumed that all the deaths due to the administering of all of these vaccines have been falsely recorded as Covid deaths, on the basis that no vaccine mortalities have been recorded in the UK this year, as far as we are aware.
Nevertheless, the only way to know for sure what caused those deaths would be to conduct autopsies, which have been prevented by the provisions of the Coronavirus Act 2020. Thus we are seeking a declaration from the court that those autopsies are conducted, under independent supervision, to determine how many of those people died shortly after being injected with this year’s vaccines.
g. A German court has recently ruled that unequivocal scientific evidence shows that wearing masks for long periods of time causes significant brain damage, via oxygen deprivation and carbon dioxide poisoning. Yet the UK government continues to mandate mask wearing in all public settings, including schools and universities, when there is no evidence of any benefit derived from mandating that they be worn.
In summary, we’ve nailed the charges with such an abundance of prima facie evidence that only the suspension of the criminal justice system is capable of protecting the accused from the consequences of their heinous crimes.

The Rigged System, Dolan’s Defeat & The Last Remedy Standing
During the past few weeks, many UK activists have declared, in the wake of the Hancock warrant being denied and Simon Dolan’s case being dismissed, that it is clear that there is no legal remedy possible in the courts, but they have done so without recognising the stark differences between the two cases, whether knowingly or unknowingly.
Firstly, the warrant application in the PCP was not dismissed as vexatious or without merit – we were merely told that we needed more prima facie evidence before a judge would issue either a warrant or a summons in the names of the defendants.
As expressed in the foregoing, we are on the brink of providing that evidence in a fresh application to the criminal court under the Common Law, as we prepare to move to the next stage in the proceedings.
Whereas Dolan has had his expensive case thrown out by the high court, the court of appeal and the supreme court, all of which presided in the civil domain, where the courts have long since been rigged to protect the establishment from the consequences of their crimes.
Nevertheless, even if the civil system wasn’t rigged, Dolan was always destined to lose because he was hopelessly arguing that he was entitled to his lost company revenues as a human right, which was allegedly denied to him by the government’s COVID-1984 regulations.
In other words, he was claiming that corporate revenues are a human right, when they are merely the result of successful business operations, all of which are conducted in the name of a corporate legal person, not a natural person or a human being.

Doomed To Fail
It appears everything else he alleged was mere window dressing, carefully designed to secure crowd-funding for nigh on half a million pounds worth of completely wasted legal costs, which one of the judges implied he didn’t have the funds to pay himself, at the outset of the application for permission to bring a claim of judicial review.
At least, that’s what I read in the transcript of his judgment and the summaries of the original claim being made, which I found in the public records of the case. The courageous solicitor I shared the judgment with wholeheartedly concurred.
No wonder Dolan spurned both my constructive criticism and my offer of collaboration, before proceeding to attempt to discredit our case on social media, on the fallacious ground that there was no such thing as a Private Criminal Prosecution, despite the fact that I ran one myself in the summer of 2013, alleging multiple breaches of the Fraud Act 2006.
Our Most Realistic ChanceSecondly, in the criminal domain, when there is sufficient prima facie evidence that proves indictable offences, such as fraud, have been committed, a single district judge decides whether the case is properly pleaded, with or without a hearing.
Whereas, in the civil courts, judges allow hearsay evidence that is inadmissible in the criminal courts, whilst they effectively preside as the sole arbiter of whether justice is done; which, my own direct and indirect experience has taught me, very rarely occurs in the civil domain.

… continues below …

324508 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Victoria, 11, #564 of 1153 🔗

Don’t forget how he “legislation” was introduced.

The first piece of “coronavirus” legislation was introduced at 2.30 pm on the 10th February 2020 without Parliamentary oversight or debate and is now revoked. This was The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 Statutory Instrument and it was subsequently amended on the 25th February 2020.

This piece of legislation required a statement of “serious and imminent threat” by the Chief Medical Officer to justify any measures to be taken.

Rather prophetically there was an unannounced and totally unpublicised release of a statement on the 30th January 2020 by the 4 Chief Medical Officers of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland on this very subject. It stated:

“the 4 UK Chief Medical Officers consider it prudent for our governments to escalate planning and preparation in case of a more widespread outbreak.
For that reason, we are advising an increase of the UK risk level from low to moderate. This does not mean we think the risk to individuals in the UK has changed at this stage, but that government should plan for all eventualities.””

This statement was made 11 days before the piece of legislation it was required for was written and laid before Parliament and came into force the very same afternoon.

How did the 4 CMOs know 11 days in advance of a Statutory Instrument being written that “medical advice” would be required?

Why was this “advice” basically hidden on a webpage on a different department’s section and not on the DHSC webpages and why was it not linked to the Serious and Imminent Threat Declaration?

As this was part of a FOI request answer then either the above is the only advice given by the CMOs or the DHSC have withheld more detailed advice.

324504 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #565 of 1153 🔗

Part 3

Furthermore, in the event a summons or warrant is issued by a criminal court, the case then proceeds to a pleading hearing, before a trial is listed and the evidence is presented to a jury, which decides whether the defendants are innocent or guilty.
In the most simplistic terms possible, it is much harder to control the outcome of a decision made by a Common Law Jury, than it is to control a civil decision, which money almost always decides.

Suitably Cautious Optimism
However, even though we are much more likely to succeed by relying upon the ancient Common Law Jury Trial to see that justice is done, don’t for one moment think that I’m not fully availed of the certainty that the establishment was always going to do everything it could to derail the PCP, just as the banksters tried to do when I took them on and won, albeit after a nine year war of attrition.
Suffice to say, this occasion is no different in many respects. I am therefore well versed in decisively dealing with the predictable strategies of my adversaries, none of whom ever foresee even the remotest possibility that they will suffer the humiliating defeats they always incur in the end, as much of the content on this blog unequivocally affirms.
Having said that, I can’t guarantee what the eventual outcome will be at this precise juncture, but I’m cautiously optimistic enough to guarantee that the Private Criminal Prosecution we are running is the last remedy standing under the Common Law and that we will not relent in our struggle until justice is done, freedom is restored and our children’s future is secured, irrespective of the seemingly insurmountable problems we appear to face.

324539 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Victoria, 4, #566 of 1153 🔗

This is brilliant. I hope it progresses.

324567 ▶▶▶ Jesus, replying to Victoria, 4, #567 of 1153 🔗

Fingers crossed for this case. Best of luck!

324502 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 13, #568 of 1153 🔗

Just noticed the government corona virus page has updated to show age related deaths. This is for Yorkshire and Humberside. Why are we locking down instead of protecting the vulnerable?
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=region&areaName=Yorkshire%20and%20The%20Humber

324506 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 5, #569 of 1153 🔗

In case it’s not obvious dark blue over 60yr old, light blue under 60.

324563 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Jonny S., 10, #570 of 1153 🔗

Looking at the stats for my borough, which has 96,000 residents, 91 deaths within 28 days of a positive test since March. We know for a fact many of these were very elderly over 85 and terminally ill, many catching it in the hospital when they were admitted for other things or local care homes. It makes me very angry that this is not being spoken about more. Why are we not protecting those most at risk and locking down the young and healthy and terrifiying them. I can see massive lawsuits in the next few months/years over this.
But also they need to be honest and report they real cause of death.

324509 cloud6, -1, #571 of 1153 🔗

Want some interesting reading : The Rules of Contagion: Why Things Spread – and Why They Stop.
Adam Kurcharski is someone who knows what he is talking about, after all he is an Associate Professor and Henry Dale Fellow at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

Available online.

324514 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #572 of 1153 🔗

The twitter spat between diverging points of view is becoming increasingly more and more like…

“There is only one true god”

Here’s an example thread:

https://twitter.com/rowlsmanthorpe/status/1343275329180360704

Rowland Manthorpe

@rowlsmanthorpe

I understand the temptation, I really do, but please stop quote tweeting her*. It only encourages her *you know who I mean

324527 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #573 of 1153 🔗

I can’t make head nor tail of that. Talking about JHB and the 377 msg? From what I’ve heard it’s only politicians talking nonsense that she interrupts.

324652 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to TimeIsNow, 1, #574 of 1153 🔗

You are right, she does seem to interrupt most politicians.

324536 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Nobody2020, 13, #575 of 1153 🔗

Everything is becoming extremely heated and divisive. I’m sure that’s why we are now in corners of the boxing ring The Conspiricists vs The Scientists

The more we push with fact and data the more others push back.

In my mind this to and fro has to stop. Otherwise it energises the other side of the argument. And gives them lots of ammo to call us crazy (add moniker of choice).

I was on a long call this morning with a senior consultant who works in a large hospital. She said she’s always getting messages that wards are closing down due to Covid.

We were on the phone for a friendly catch up and she is most certainly bought into all aspects of the story. But only in so far as she takes these from her “cues”. Ward closure emails, the news, people talking about it, her patients anxiety.

I realised there was no point in me talking about all the data and info I’d found, It would put her off. Make her withdraw.

So I decided to focus on one simple aspect. Hospital admissions. She wasn’t aware that hospital admissions were classed as Covid even though she knows most are in for non-Covid reasons. She did mention wards are closed down due to symptoms only. Not even positive tests. She acknowledged she only has masks and seems to be doing ok.

She doesn’t seem to be able to join the dots.

I can’t see how I can help with the dot joining, but I can vow to keep it simple and not look like a maniac with lots of info that doesn’t support her lived experience. So that’s what I’m going to do going forward. Tone it down. Keep it simple.

I’ll report back with my experiments from time to time 🙂

324688 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #576 of 1153 🔗

Interesting. I think that behind it all the belief that government could not possibly be manipulating things to this level, telling such grand lies and claiming it to be following the science, drives their inability to join the dots. That Boris and his public health czars really do have health of the nation close to their hearts. No politics, just genuine concern. That would make them exceptional in the whole history of politics of course.

324793 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #577 of 1153 🔗

The Big Lie is way too much to comprehend. Little realisations may be what we can hope for.

324542 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Nobody2020, -2, #578 of 1153 🔗

Why give attention to a breakdown of communication – unless to discern the devices and patterns of its occurrence?

There is only one truth or God is a truism. The context of which may be taking truth to serve a vanity.

But arguing truth is to kill it for the sake of the presumed right to have the final judgement.
Witnessing to truth is of a different order.

Points of view may be translated to points of You – where You are the underlying context for the experience of relationships of alignment or dissonance.

You are beyond image and form and not contained IN a world of formed imaginations accepted and given as Reality Itself.

If you don’t find welcome at this time, shake of the dust from your sandals and leave with a blessing. The Holy Spirit reveals one Will in place of conflicted wills set in programmed identities.

324528 Binra, replying to Binra, #579 of 1153 🔗

Rakib Ehsan in the Telegraph says he hopes we can ditch the concept of “white privilege”

Just leave it in the ditch.
If you have picked it up, or caught it, detox, maybe some vitamin SEE and be more discerning as to your diet.

False hopes trap the mind in deceits.
Others will use what seems useful to them according to the purpose they align in.

There is a reality beneath the smear that is denied by the narrative of blame and shame.
If blame and shame is the pen by which to make ‘history’ then a toxic guilt leverages the denial of function to ‘carbon guilt units’ seeking dispensations of credit by glorifying guilt for the dumping of penalty in a trickle down ‘economy’.

Worship of guilt is hatred of love.
Or rather hatred of what guilt has made of love in error and terror.
There are consequences for past actions and these will come up, but that is not a matter of damnation and undoing of the living, unless of course you insist on giving priority to hate, vengeance and worthlessness as the sin you must eat at the hand of your accuser.

Why lives by the sword dies by the sword – of the intent to judge and deny others as a means to prevail over their defeat.
‘Putting down the sword’ is not about becoming passive to aggression, but to extend an equality to the situation.

The attempt to ‘become equal’ is always a reinforcement of an underlying conflict.
The intent to undermine a perceived evil in others is the active expression of an externalising or dissociating and displacement of an inner conflict.

324533 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Binra, 4, #580 of 1153 🔗

I am almost 50. Despite a red brick 2:1 engineering degree, this white boy from a single parent and council house has very little white privilege left. At 40 years old following a period of ill-health, I felt it slip into the ether. Ageism is the only ism society never addresses. Companies and government play lip service to it, but it’s just lip service. My friend has a daughter who got a degree from Oxford. White, under 30, with an Oxford degree – she has so much white privilege it is coming out of her ears. Part Turkish Boris still has all his white privilege intact. As does Princess Nut Nut. As does David Lammy.

324842 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to chaos, #581 of 1153 🔗

You are buying into s mind trap.
Why prioritise privilege to a skin colour?

324564 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Binra, 2, #582 of 1153 🔗

It might be an idea to stick to the knitting – Covid. The rest is just distraction.

324544 Cecil B, #584 of 1153 🔗

Is the pig dictators hatred of this country a result of Gallipoli?

324561 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #585 of 1153 🔗

Prediction: As the COVID-19 crisis winds down during 2021 in line with vaccine roll-out, expect the climate crisis to wind up. The links have been there for some time but are growing stronger. Climate guru Greta endorses Tedros / WHO linkage of pandemics to climate change. Don’t expect any of the COVID control measures to be eased. More pandemics are inevitable said Tedros.

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1343217659165478913

324616 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to godowneasy, 10, #586 of 1153 🔗

Wonder how they are going to make the masks seriously polluting the planet issue disappear whilst scaring the populace into the climate change threat agenda

324627 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Victoria, 7, #587 of 1153 🔗

They will make it our fault of course. Our fault for not disposing of them ‘responsibly’.

324672 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 7, #588 of 1153 🔗

Watch out for scheduled lockdowns on an annual basis, with government support of course, to reduce our climate footprint. The idea that the public can be persuaded to lock themselves away for the greater good, as Ferguson and Blair have implied, is now established and available as a policy.

324773 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #589 of 1153 🔗

I would go further and say that lockdowns are now the default setting of modern western countries. I don’t think it’s something that will be lifted and then re-imposed as that is too complicated for most people to grasp. It’s a global cultural change, imposed from the top down but willingly acquiesced to by most people. There’s no going back unless the majority of people begin to think for themselves, and there’s very little sign of that. The only thing that might ‘save’ us now is economic collapse, but with all developed countries acting in lock-step, I wonder if that will be prevented in some way (Great Reset, etc).

324565 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 21, #590 of 1153 🔗

Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability.(Sir William Osler)

Many have been surprised that Fergusson has no biology education and he seems to somehow locked down the whole world. I think this is a gross over simplification and the whole blame should primarily be the government and the public health advisors Witty and Vallance. All these brilliant mathematicians, statisticians have not done anything wrong. They have produced models even incorporating probability but they fundamentally cannot understand that medicine and public health medicine always works with lousy data. Even calculating the R factor early in the pandemic was bound to be imperfect as thousands were infected even before the PCR test was invented for C-19 and not in widespread use until a further hundred thousand of persons were infected.

The disaster is fully among public health medicine. When public health medicine drifted away from medicine with its humble acceptance of fallibility of data and into the exact science of mathematics etc. the public heath advisors became hostage of exact science, which is not applicable to complex biological system.
Perhaps Witty/Vallance should have followed Osler’s advice above and not parted from old fashioned public health medicine.

324570 ▶▶ Whats gone wrong, replying to swedenborg, 6, #591 of 1153 🔗

the whole blame should primarily be the government and the public health advisors Witty and Vallance

I partly agree. But it appears to me that Ferguson – and likely others – has been literally criminally negligent in the work he has produced. But that’s just my opinion: let there be a proper investigation in the cold light of day.

Professor Neil Ferguson: the Titus Oates of the 21st century. Either that or Iago.

324625 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Whats gone wrong, 3, #592 of 1153 🔗

criminally negligent?

More like criminally competent.

324969 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Old Bill, #593 of 1153 🔗

Ferguson does the job he’s paid to do.Put a scientific veneer on a politically motivated decision.
Lockdowns are political not scientific please always remember that.

324628 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Whats gone wrong, 6, #594 of 1153 🔗

He’s definitely a tit and he likes his oats, so Titus it is. Besides he’s not clever enough to be an Iago. I think we all pretty much saw through him from day one: an egoist before he is a scientist, a publicist before he is a mathematician.

324965 ▶▶▶▶ Whats gone wrong, replying to OKUK, #595 of 1153 🔗

Actually you’ve got a point: Iago was smart. Originally I thought Ferguson was a Dr Faustus, who should have been damned by mid May at the latest. But I’m settling on Titus Oates now, and hope he gets a similar punishment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus_Oates#Aftermath

324900 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Whats gone wrong, 1, #596 of 1153 🔗

NF should follow in the other TO’s footsteps.

324977 ▶▶▶▶ Whats gone wrong, replying to PastImperfect, #597 of 1153 🔗

ODNB

He was … placed in the pillory in Palace Yard, Westminster, on 19 May [1685] and was roundly pelted with eggs and other rubbish. This part of the sentence was to be repeated five times every year of his life in different parts of London. As part of the first round of his punishment, on 20 May Oates was led at the cart’s tail and whipped from Aldgate to Newgate ‘with hideous bellowings, and [he] swooned several times with the greatness of the anguish’ On 22 May he was whipped again from Newgate to Tyburn. Oates later claimed that he had ‘suffer’d some thousands of stripes’

324591 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 4, #598 of 1153 🔗

You’re right – the decision-making is political and, tracking back, the continued noisiness of Ferguson is a result of political choice and indulgence.

SAGE is overburdened with mathematicians and modellers – none of whom seem to have the essential scientific skills of assessing inputs and outputs in terms of reality and using the information to recursively amend the original model. Thus the GI>GO syndrome dominates, whereby much simpler projections are far more accurate than multi-variate illusions.

324624 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, 16, #599 of 1153 🔗

Nope Ferguson does deserve opprobrium. He based his modelling on dubious data. He then went around TV and radio studios, time and time again, stressing the upper end of his estimates, so spreading fear and alarm. He was a key figure in the creation of what amounts to mass hysteria. Instead of sticking to modelling he then called for draconian police measures and imprisonment of the populace. When our liberties were taken from us in the first lockdown this supremely arrogant twat couldn’t even be bothered to follow the rules he had demanded be introduced, travelling across London to shag someone from another household.

324649 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to OKUK, 10, #600 of 1153 🔗

I understand your gut feeling for Ferguson. He is a nutty professor with overblown ego(in common with most in academia) but he is not a decision maker. Everything he reports to the public health people should be filtered by them. This is the same for the so called variant mutant C-19. This new find(toy) interesting for specialized virologists should be fed into the public health people who should have a sense of its non importance. The public health people must then transform all this information in a simple way ( Mickey Mouse level) to our politicians and give advice. Hancock’s infantile brain cannot absorb any subtleties. But should we blame our competent virologists for the disastrous ridiculous international response to this development initiated by Hancock?

324650 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 1, #601 of 1153 🔗

opprobrium and a rusty billhook

324668 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 3, #602 of 1153 🔗

His track record alone should have urged caution…so it does rest on the shoulders of decision makers.

I believe that government is captured on the issue of how to deal with any public health issue of magnitude. The absolute is that it defers to the so called independent advisors who know best. However, they have an agenda, an ideology clearly driving their way ahead. That ideology is up for speculation but these individuals are not acting in a value free manner, as much as they’d like us to believe it. Where they each derive these values from, as far as I can tell, is the hand that feeds (Wellcome Trust, GAVI, BMGF, WHO, EU, UK Gov).

https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/12/investigative-series/developers-of-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-tied-to-uk-eugenics-movement/

324677 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #603 of 1153 🔗

Yes, there is definitely an ideology at work here. These people seem to want to eliminate all risk related to the Rona, which is not possible. They also have a wider neopuritan agenda, trying to improve humanity along their anti-human lines. It’s very dangerous and needs to be stopped. It’s wrapped up in a sense of being able to control everything – microbes, the economy and people. I can’t believe how often I hear people talking about how well or badly a government has ‘controlled’ the virus. This is simply not possible when a respiratory virus has become endemic.

There is a link to the academic far left here. I see it all the time where I work and it is getting worse. Public health used to be respectable and based on scientific principles, but now you have the Ferguson ‘modeller’ types (which are not scientific without empirical data and constant adjustment) plus the social anthropology types (like Devi Sridhar at Edinburgh) who have no biology background at all. All are deeply authoritarian. This is a big part of the problem, as well as various conflicts of interests (links to big pharma, etc).

Governments need to go back to governing, which will require making hard decisions. They should not pass the buck to the so-called experts. They need to govern and to be held to account.

324874 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #604 of 1153 🔗

I can’t help feeling they got the experts they wanted.

324878 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bugle, #605 of 1153 🔗

Hand pick to be just “expert” enough to know just the right thing the new world order want

325194 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 1, #606 of 1153 🔗

Fergie didn’t incorporate probability or uncertainty properly at all.

The reason why his model wouldn’t work (even if it was coded properly) is that it is complicated and has hundreds of estimated parameters. There is no way to calculate how the errors in those estimates propagate through the system and therefore no way to give meaningful confidence intervals for the predictions. There are too many parameters to just try different combinations– even if you just tested with “high” and “low” values for 100 parameters, that’s 10^30 combinations, which is completely intractable. It is utterly useless from the point of view of trying to understand anything about reality and is basically a computer game.

The way that Gupta has used modelling is an example of how to do it properly. She uses simple models with few parameters and then looks at how the outputs vary with the inputs. This gives some meaningful insight into the dynamics of the situation without relying on any untested assumptions. We can see from her visualizations things like how herd immunity threshold varies with the amount of mixing between groups. We can then see how different scenarios might fit the observed data. They help us to understand how one thing depends on another.

Models like Fergie’s claim enormous predictive power which seduces politicians but they are complete fantasy. Where the Gupta-style modelling is deliberately transparent, because the whole point of it is to help you to understand how things work, the Fergie model is completely opaque. It’s just a big ball of bad code which they only grudgingly even published (and then not the version they were actually using).

Any data tells you something and the challenge is how to conclude what you can from lousy data and what level of certainty you have about it. There is nothing clever about coding a model that is completely useless because you will never have anything like the certainty you need about its inputs.

All this is way over the heads of scientifically illiterate politicians who just listen to whichever boffin is claiming to be able to predict the most.

324572 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 25, #607 of 1153 🔗

Torygraph:

“ Meanwhile Sir Jeremy Farrar, head of the Wellcome Trust and a member of the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, agreed that the reopening of schools would require a trade off that would see other things in society treated more toughly. ”

Divide and rule. How come schools are suddenly NOT part of ‘Society’? Try taking your kid out to get a cheaper holiday and ‘society’ will come down on you like a ton of bricks. Yet schools are now on the other pan of the the Covid scales, and the rest of us must pay with our liberty for them to work? Jesus H Christ, isn’t having the blotchy bloated elephantine Type 2 NHS on the other side of the scales enough?

The weasel Gove is bearing his teeth too in the cause. He looks more like Josef Goebbels by the day. Enough. Just -enough.

324579 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #608 of 1153 🔗

Here we go again.

324666 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bugle, 2, #609 of 1153 🔗

“down the only road i’ve ever known”

324735 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Biker, 1, #610 of 1153 🔗

Whitesnake!!! you old rocker you!

324779 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to mjr, 1, #611 of 1153 🔗

indeed

324583 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to James Leary #KBF, 21, #612 of 1153 🔗

All these are just excuses for the politically driven lockdowns.The government do not want us to mix and socialise and discuss what on earth they are doing so they can carry out their plans without any opposition.

324588 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to James Leary #KBF, 19, #613 of 1153 🔗

“the reopening of schools would require a trade off that would see other things in society treated more toughly” – who dreams up this bollocks? I live in tier 4 and I cannot think of any “other things” that are left to be “treated more toughly”. All non-essential shops, pubs, restaurants, cultural and sporting activities are closed, it’s lockdown by another name.

324654 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Liz F, 4, #614 of 1153 🔗

Those dreaming up the bollocks should be forced to endure that which they quite casually impose on others.

I was considering, as my mind meandered in my deserted shop earlier, whether I should send a sarky e-mail to my MP asking her just what her ambitions were by going into politics.

324681 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Liz F, 12, #615 of 1153 🔗

Please don’t play their game. The concept of ‘essential’ and ‘inessential’ businesses is completely erroneous. If someone wishes to buy a service from someone else that service or the business providing that service is essential and no bureaucrat, politician or any other jobsworth has the authority to say otherwise. Similarly, the concept of ‘key workers’ is wrong-headed and false. Everyone providing a service or a doing job that someone else wants is a ‘key worker’.
All of this assumes a free market; when one considers the numerous non-jobs in the bloated, incompetent and inefficient public sector, there are plenty of ‘inessential jobs’ there. But how many of them have been or will be made redundant?

324713 ▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Stephanos, 8, #616 of 1153 🔗

I’m not playing their game or any other game. It’s a fact that, much as I’d love to go to my local pub for a drink, support small local businesses, go back to choir rehearsals which haven’t happened since 23rd March, help out at my local animal rescue centre, go to concerts, sporting events etc etc, those options are – literally – not open to me or anyone else.

324760 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Liz F, 4, #617 of 1153 🔗

I’m on a sporting body at county level. At first I pushed for us to do as much as possible (within the scope of the government guidelines) but even that was met with horror. God knows what would happen if I suggested actually breaking the rules! People have just died inside. I wonder if they were ever alive to start with.

324848 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Liz F, #618 of 1153 🔗

Well said.

324749 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Stephanos, 2, #619 of 1153 🔗

All of them if they lose the economy.

324596 ▶▶ RickH, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #620 of 1153 🔗

‘Wellcome Trust’ – another establishment clone feeding off big money.

It’s all so transparent- note the excess of knighthoods etc. in this area – a real giveaway.

Sir Carl Heneghan ??? – not a chance. 🙂

324617 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to RickH, 9, #621 of 1153 🔗

Sir Carl Heneghan ??? – not a chance.

Would he even want an honour. They are so tainted, anyone with any real honour, would surely refuse such an ‘accolade’.

324783 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #623 of 1153 🔗

As another pointed out. The club isn’t that big. Its also full of weeds like blair who spends his life on the other side of security to the people he affects. Can’t be much of a life these club members have, devoid of humanity and warmth. A tiny little club ruling over the truly big club.

324771 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to RickH, 3, #624 of 1153 🔗

When you think of knighthoods, just remember SIR jimmy savile.
Not a club anyone sane would want to be part of,

324826 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to sophie123, #625 of 1153 🔗

To be fair to Jimmy Savile he did raise a lot of money for Peter Sutcliffe

324859 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to RickH, #626 of 1153 🔗

Wellcome Trust is the arms-length ‘charitable’ face of Big Pharma. ‘Science’ without the self-interest.

324664 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #627 of 1153 🔗

Move along, nothing incestuous going on and you’ll probably be able to pay by credit card as well.
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Wellcome, and Mastercard Launch Initiative to Speed Development and Access to Therapies for COVID-19
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Media-Center/Press-Releases/2020/03/COVID-19-Therapeutics-Accelerator

324665 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Schrodinger, 24, #628 of 1153 🔗

Look stop hounding Bill and Malinda, they’re just doing it all to help. They’re great people. Sure she’s a fucking dog and he looks like a nonce but they just want to help starving blacks in Africa and inject a vaccine with HIV in it into your grannie and kids and they support the massive removal of all our freedoms world wide forever, they want to take your car, stop you flying and stop you eating meat. So we can all see how good they are and not accepting this makes you a horrible person whom should be killed. We don’t need people like you in society, we need everyone just to wear the fucking mask, take the vaccine and do exactly what the fuck you are told without comment, in fact do it with a smile.

324776 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Schrodinger, #629 of 1153 🔗

“Therapies” ???

324860 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Schrodinger, #630 of 1153 🔗

Mastercard. A bit of a giveaway.

324769 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #632 of 1153 🔗

This is the same illogical argument they used earlier that if schools opened pubs would have to close. They’ve killed the pubs. What’s left to trade with?

324573 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 22, #633 of 1153 🔗

Anyone feeling positive about 2021???

Well unless you are actively defying orders and creating pressure on those who are enslaving us (that’s not hyperbolic btw) then you have no reason to be positive for 2021.

Real freedom and liberty will not be retained for long unless we actively fight for every single one of them.

Shine a light in the dark and stand up to bullies.

324597 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TheBigman, 12, #634 of 1153 🔗

One thing that certainly won’t help is negativity.
Stand firm and hope.

324645 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to TheBigman, 3, #635 of 1153 🔗

Given that 2020 has been the year of false postives the only way is up.

324752 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to TheBigman, 2, #636 of 1153 🔗

I’m not feeling particularly positive. At the moment it feels like this country is under an occupying power. One can be free in one’s own mind and one can carry out small, mostly token acts of resistance, but until the majority of people are on our side there is not much we can do to change things.

324581 leggy, replying to leggy, 11, #637 of 1153 🔗

More jabaganda in the media today – teachers and key workers need to be pricked etc. This time from SAGE advisor Sir Jeremy Farrar. It’s the usual nonsense, but why is it that more and more we see the pic of said advisor being in attendance at the WEF? We’re well beyond the realm of coincidence now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9092123/SAGE-expert-warns-hitting-one-million-vaccines-week-wont-curb-Covid-crisis-months.html

324585 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 9, #638 of 1153 🔗

Jabaganda!
Nice!

324584 HoMojo, 17, #639 of 1153 🔗

‘Politicisation of science was enthusiastically deployed by some of history’s worst autocrats and dictators, and it is now regrettably commonplace in democracies. 20 The medical-political complex tends towards suppression of science to aggrandise and enrich those in power. And, as the powerful become more successful, richer, and further intoxicated with power, the inconvenient truths of science are suppressed. When good science is suppressed, people die.’ Kamran Abassi, BMJ

Full article here:

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425

324613 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #641 of 1153 🔗

Great article!

So lockdowns and masks are based on the false asymptomatic infection principle

324646 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Victoria, 13, #642 of 1153 🔗

oh, and don’t forget the totally unfit for purpose PCR test that cannot prove infection or infectiousness

so in combination that clearly proves beyond all doubt that there’s no basis whatsoever for any of this shitshow

324720 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #643 of 1153 🔗

That’s the key to the whole scam.

324614 ▶▶ assoc, replying to Cheezilla, #644 of 1153 🔗

Does anyone know how the Chinese test?

324623 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to assoc, 1, #645 of 1153 🔗

Asymptomatics are not counted as a case.

324640 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to assoc, 6, #646 of 1153 🔗

The Chief Medical Officer asks the Commissar for Public Health “How many positives do you want me to say we had?” The number given is then communicated to the Office of Statistics for the People’s Republic and entered in the public record.

324641 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to OKUK, 6, #647 of 1153 🔗

so, much like here

324651 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to mjr, 2, #648 of 1153 🔗

Indeed. Except the People’s Commissar does not feel the need to go on national TV twice a week to personally lie to the public.

324659 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to assoc, 2, #649 of 1153 🔗

They skin a couple of dogs and eat them alive. When they shit out the mess they get an old lady with her feet bound to read splat. Chinese medicine is light years ahead of us dumb westerners

324722 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to assoc, #650 of 1153 🔗

Certainly at less than 45 cycles!

324745 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to assoc, 1, #651 of 1153 🔗

Using Chinese characters usually… I’ll get my jacket.

324620 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #652 of 1153 🔗

….out of the nearly 10 million people in the study, “300 asymptomatic cases” were found.

So is someone who is asymptomatic just someone who got a false positive PCR test?

Pity it’s a study in Wuhan though – not sure what the Chinese say can be trusted, given they’ve reported virtually zero deaths and a handful of cases since April….

324725 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #653 of 1153 🔗

I suspect their case and death rates have similar percentages to ours. It’s just that they’re not inflating them to create a fake pandemic.

324621 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #654 of 1153 🔗

Bloody superb article!

Which page of BBC News is it on?

324609 DRW, replying to DRW, 16, #655 of 1153 🔗

Hi all, I’m back from Dorset, might write a postcard in a few days. For just a short while I felt better, now back to shit reality.

324619 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 7, #656 of 1153 🔗

So glad you enjoyed the trip, DRW! Hold tight to the memory of those better feelings – it’s important that we know that we won’t always feel as bad as we do in the lowest moments. I look forward to reading your postcard if you get around to it.

324678 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #657 of 1153 🔗

Thanks Charlie, it’s been nice just being able to forget all this for a while.

324622 ▶▶ l835, replying to DRW, 3, #658 of 1153 🔗

Maybe you can plan another escape to have something to look forward to?

324679 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to l835, 5, #659 of 1153 🔗

Yes I’m thinking of doing something in the Spring.

324626 l835, replying to l835, 3, #660 of 1153 🔗

The kids and I are playing “New Years Honours” points if one of your people is on the real list, and double points if you match the person with the honour. Eg Neil Ferguson becomes a Barron. My list is scientist heavy, whilst there’s is full of key workers. I expect the actual list to be particularly nauseating this year…

324630 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to l835, 1, #661 of 1153 🔗

Eg Neil Ferguson becomes a Barron

Better still Neil Ferguson becomes barren.

324644 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Old Bill, 6, #662 of 1153 🔗

Or a barman – an unemployed one, unemployed because of his absurd and damaging fear-mongering.

324648 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Old Bill, 2, #663 of 1153 🔗

he’s already a “karen”!

324784 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Old Bill, #664 of 1153 🔗

A robber barren.

324939 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Annie, 1, #665 of 1153 🔗
324742 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to l835, 4, #666 of 1153 🔗

A Barron Knight perhaps.

324632 james007, replying to james007, 11, #667 of 1153 🔗

We Got Brexit Done, but we didn’t take back control. We’ve still had enough of experts, and wish we had strong and stable leadership. However it seems we have found the magic money tree.

324636 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to james007, 7, #668 of 1153 🔗

We didn’t get where we are today by relying on cliches.

324639 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #669 of 1153 🔗

grrreat!

324642 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to dommo, 2, #670 of 1153 🔗

super!

324656 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Andy Riley, 4, #671 of 1153 🔗

C’m on guys – it’s all water under the bridge now and anyway there’s no point in crying over spilt milk. Best foot forward and look on the bright side, to coin a phrase, although I am aware that fine words butter no parsnips. Just my own, very personal, thoughts on the subject.

324667 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to OKUK, 1, #672 of 1153 🔗

Yes it’s time to bury our hats and coats, pull our socks together and put our feet down with a firm hand onto our vegetables.

324733 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to godowneasy, #673 of 1153 🔗

As Sam Goldwyn said “Let’s have some new cliches” !!

324741 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mjr, #674 of 1153 🔗

It’s all Greek to me…

324945 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Andy Riley, #675 of 1153 🔗

We have ended up where we are today by idiots believing in government cliches.

324633 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 10, #676 of 1153 🔗

Hi all,

I hope you managed to have a good and unsafe Christmas. No rule breaking over here as I only ever do Christmases as a foursome with my parents and brother anyway, but I did my bit before Christmas by staying with my boyfriend’s family and not adhering to any social distancing (shock horror).

I’m looking to start designing some stickers to place around uni and the city centre. Are there any (preferably free) graphic design programs the more technologically minded folk would recommend? Also, did Hamilton post a vector graphic of the hands/face/embrace picture in the end? TIA

324638 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #677 of 1153 🔗

Try Inkscape. It is fairly easy to get started with simple stuff but is tremendously capable if you invest time in it. It is vector graphics application.

324660 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Pancho the Grey, 1, #678 of 1153 🔗

Thank you!

324670 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #679 of 1153 🔗

read a tutorial or two first or watch a youtube vid.. learn about layers.. vectors.. raster.. png.. in a few hours you can create stuff in inkscape… vectors useful because they dont get pixelated if you blow them up bigger e.g. from a sticker to a poster.. if you do a right mouse click ‘save as’ on the logo in the header of most websites you will see that many are vectors. Lockdown Sceptics logo is a PNG.. which means if you blew it up big it would pixelate.. but it could be converted to a vector.. Alternatively design something in good old PowerPoint and save it as a png or jpeg etc. The latest version of PowerPoint can even save as a vector image.

324896 ▶▶ Hamilton, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #680 of 1153 🔗

I’ll be working on that – in InkScape which as Pancho the Grey says, is tremendously capable. I should have something usable at some point tomorrow.

324962 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Hamilton, #681 of 1153 🔗

Thanks!

324653 Biker, replying to Biker, 58, #682 of 1153 🔗

If 600,000 people yearly die then and say 70,000 of them die and have a dubious certification of death saying Whuflu then that means over half a million people spent the last year of their lives locked up like prisoners. Over half a million people denied a decent end of life experience, imprisoned, denied human contact, kept apart from family and friends because a bunch of fucking piss your pants, scared of the day they never saw losers demand it.
How long are we gonna allow the government to lock us up for out own good?
It’s everyone’s duty to not do it any more. Any of you wearing a mask take it off, every time you wear it you condone this. The mask is the stand you take. If you don’t have the courage to go out without it then you’re no use to me and are in fact almost certain to turn on me and side with them. Talk is easy standing up for your right is hard. It’s time to be a fucking man about it.

324786 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Biker, 3, #683 of 1153 🔗

Or woman.

324794 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Annie, 6, #684 of 1153 🔗

Annie dear, there is no need to go all woke on us. We understand the phrase “be a man about it” to be universal and applies to men, woman and confused bitches who don’t know what the fuck they are.

324820 ▶▶ Whats gone wrong, replying to Biker, 2, #685 of 1153 🔗

The mask is the stand you take .

Agree. That’s the current battle line, which fortuitously has been defined for us. Writing to your MP does nothing. I’ve never managed to change anyone’s mind by talking to them. Reading LS and posting on here is comfort food.

So masks it is. And where I am I’m losing hands down.

324876 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Whats gone wrong, 8, #686 of 1153 🔗

Better to die with your boots on than in front of the six o clock news shitting yourself

325209 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Biker, #687 of 1153 🔗

Perfectly put.

324662 mjr, replying to mjr, 8, #688 of 1153 🔗

just noticed this was on radio 4 today
How to vaccinate the world – interview with Bill Gates

i am not going to waste my time listening to it but others might want to .

324673 ▶▶ dpj, replying to mjr, 5, #689 of 1153 🔗

Forward the link to our pal Marianna in case she hasn’t heard it. She seems very sure that Bill Gates is a fine upstanding citizen who has nothing to do with what is happening with covid.

324680 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to dpj, 18, #690 of 1153 🔗

Jolly hockey sticks posh girls’ school, Oxford.. Guardian, BBC.. a 20 something telling us what is true and untrue.. what an insufferable cunt she must be.

324706 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to chaos, 1, #691 of 1153 🔗

Don’t knock posh girls who went to posh girls school. As a young man i cut my teeth on them. To be fair most of them were conservative, very few lefty guardian types.

324729 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Biker, 1, #692 of 1153 🔗

you cut your teeth on them? the dangers of vajazzling

324768 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to mjr, 2, #693 of 1153 🔗

No, they liked it in the stables with a bit in their mouth and a crop over their arse

324669 Antonedes, replying to Antonedes, 9, #694 of 1153 🔗

What I cannot fathom is how come so many PCR tests on Christmas Day?

324671 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Antonedes, 16, #695 of 1153 🔗

No one is getting a test. it’s all lies. When i say no one i mean next to no one but realistically speaking it’s next to no one.

324684 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Biker, 9, #696 of 1153 🔗

I walk by the testing centre across from Stirling’s railway station quite often and have only seen one person go in for a test!

324687 ▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Tom in Scotland, 6, #697 of 1153 🔗

I regularly cycle past the one at Riverside Museum in Glasgow and also seems deserted every time.

324698 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #698 of 1153 🔗

I total believe that. No one is getting tested because no one has their lab flu

324675 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Antonedes, 10, #699 of 1153 🔗

because test centres were open …. i saw my local centre opening up at 10 on christmas day and a couple of cars waiting . I guess they were all open and people assumed it was the new christmas tradition … open presents , then get a test

324789 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to mjr, 4, #700 of 1153 🔗

there was a queue 200 yards long at the walk in LFT centre near our shop. Hundreds of people with nothing to do so they all went to get a test just in case they might have it. Mainly couples with kids and alot of teenagers. I just shout as I drive past. What are you doing? Are you stupid? Insane, I just cant believe how thick they are

324806 ▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to iansn, 2, #701 of 1153 🔗

After 9 months of it unfortunately I do now realise how dense a lot of them are.

324676 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Antonedes, 3, #702 of 1153 🔗

Carried out or reported on Christmas day?

324683 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Antonedes, 3, #703 of 1153 🔗

Presumably in care homes and other institutions where Christmas makes little, if any, difference.

However, it isn’t as if the official number of PCR ‘tests’ can be independently monitored, is it?

324791 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to rockoman, #704 of 1153 🔗

over half a million supposed to have gone on Christmas eve FFS

324710 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Antonedes, 1, #705 of 1153 🔗

All those people whose families refused to visit them?

324739 ▶▶ davews, replying to Antonedes, 6, #706 of 1153 🔗

41k ‘cases’ announced today. Surely nobody believes these stupid figures now, especially since hospital admissions is still only trickling upwards. The media hysteria is about to go into another state of frenzy just before they review the measures again. There is no escape.

324682 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 17, #707 of 1153 🔗

Such measures as mask wearing may be appropriate for those with co-morbidities, since we know they are the ones most susceptible to covid.

The co-morbidities most responsible for the furtherance of this pandemic are as follows:

gullibility; compliance as a value in itself; lack of critical thinking; unpracticed at thinking for yourself; excessive ignorance; blind belief in health “authorities”; divided (and conquered); blind belief in government “authorities”; listening to celebrities opine on covidy matters; being swayed by platitudes like “we’re all in this together”; purchasing printed signs of platitudes for home display; obsessive virtue signaling; politicization of therapies; passive acceptance of state programming; distraction by contrived, fake news stories; brainwashed; belief that a vaccine will save you and bring back the way things were; not that big on the whole “human rights” thing; obsessive desire to “fit in”; fear of self reliance; just fear;

Not realizing you didn’t consent to any of this; caving in to social pressure; wanting to appear smart and informed by “the science”; over-compensation to avoid any appearance of being a “conspiracy theorist”; belief that all maladies are treatable by drugs;

allowing any form of mainstream news media in your home for reasons other than to:

a). see through it,

b). know what your enemy is thinking, or

c). be disgusted;

overly willing to stay locked down; buying excessive designer masks to coordinate with your outfits as tacit acceptance of the “new normal”; good at following orders; and if this makes sense to you: “alone, together.”

While most co-morbidities are treatable with a healthy lifestyle and proper nutrition, some of these are going to require more than simply getting your vitamin D levels into the optimum range.

~ Darzoum ~

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/28/face-mask-on-flight.aspx

324697 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Victoria, 6, #708 of 1153 🔗

Attached photo gives a concise explanation of the target audience:

324708 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nessimmersion, #709 of 1153 🔗

No such thing as coincidence!

324704 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Victoria, #710 of 1153 🔗

Brilliant..

324685 swedenborg, 16, #711 of 1153 🔗

https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1343565534512742402

“New mRNA vaccine technologies may offer 94-95 % efficacy. What an achievement of 21st century science! On the other hand, good old natural immunity provides 100 % protection from symptomatic COVID-19, as shown in the study of 12.5k healthcare workers below

 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034545?s=09

New study following 12,541 healthcare workers for C-19
re-infection over 31 weeks published in NEJM. Natural immunisation held up well over the 6 months of the study, with only two cases of asymptomatic reinfections observed.

324686 CGL, replying to CGL, 1, #712 of 1153 🔗

I’m just trying to finish a reply to the school in response to their email about forthcoming testing. I wanted to attach this table, but a more up to date one than 3rd December – please can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks.

It’s called ‘Pre-existing Conditions Data from the NHS website’

file:///media/fuse/drivefs-d20204c81a364b7dcae7d71000f1c7ef/root/NHS%20Deaths%20with%20Pre-existing%20Conditions%20at%203%20Dec%2020.pdf

324731 ▶▶ dommo, replying to CGL, 3, #714 of 1153 🔗

see this:-

Open Letter to Education Minister on Mass-Testing in Schools
https://www.ukmedfreedom.org/resources/open-letters

324689 mjr, replying to mjr, 8, #715 of 1153 🔗

they have just announced the Everton v Man City game tonight is postponed because of “positive tests”. Dont know how many. All these fit young men that will be ill !!! How dreadful!!

324690 ▶▶ chaos, replying to mjr, 18, #716 of 1153 🔗

If only they had HGV licenses.

324692 ▶▶ dpj, replying to mjr, 4, #717 of 1153 🔗

Was just about to post the same thing. I have family members who seem to think every positive test = someone very sick and nothing I say seems to get through to them, even if I give Ronaldo & Salah as examples.

324696 ▶▶ Biker, replying to mjr, 13, #718 of 1153 🔗

A sports person passing a test, you don’t see that very often

324719 ▶▶ Will, replying to mjr, 2, #719 of 1153 🔗

As few folk in Munster are beginning to question what is going on after the St Stephens day derby was postponed. It looks like false positives might have been the root cause.

324723 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to mjr, 4, #720 of 1153 🔗

Could it be that it’s nothing to do with C19 but more to do with the crowd booing the players as the bend the knee or am I being a conspiracy theorist?

324691 Brian D, replying to Brian D, 2, #721 of 1153 🔗

Stand up and Stand Out – an ABC approach.

We have been infantilised by a panicking hysterical group of people whose incomes are never threatened by their recommendations (indeed in some cases they stand to gain from all this – PPE contracts, pharma company shares for example).

What can we do about this? There are many things and this is one suggestion:

It’s an ABC approach –

If you believe that you, your family and your neighbours should be treated as ADULTS

If you believe that the whole of our lives should be considered in BALANCE

If you believe this country desperately needs to be led back to CHRIST

If you want to stand up and stand out and distance yourself from the dangerous extreme Non-Scientific Interventions and Godless leadership of 2020 you can do something very simple.

Every Friday at 8pm, starting on New Year’s Day – go outside your front door. Don’t clap, don’t bang pots. Just stand up and stand out, show your neighbours you love them, be visible, maybe someone will be looking out of their window and will see. I suspect many many people are isolated and living in fear but think everyone supports the current ‘measures’. Let them know this isn’t so.

Please share if you think this sounds like a good idea to you.

324695 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Brian D, 18, #722 of 1153 🔗

Sounds like a fucking retarded idea to me. Don’t wear a mask and ask every single person you speak to wearing a mask why they’re wearing one. Get in their fucking face about it That’s what we have to do. That’s what i do. I ask them to show me the evidence for them and i ask them why the fuck i should be made to do what they want? I tell them they are a threat to our freedom and they should thank people like me with the balls to stand up for humanity instead of being a little fucking bitch in a fucking mask, but hey you go stand outside and do fuck all and see if it helps, i might be wrong

324700 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, 5, #723 of 1153 🔗

That’s a bit harsh Biker. Not everyone is as confident as you.

324705 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #724 of 1153 🔗

And that’s why the government wins…

324707 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #725 of 1153 🔗

Hey i’m no more confident than the next man but there is a fucking line and it’s way past your fucking door step

324757 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, 1, #726 of 1153 🔗

I agree and I take it where I can.

324699 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Brian D, 3, #727 of 1153 🔗

Might work on a housing estate full of curtain-twitchers but I’d just freeze for nothing on my street.

324737 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #728 of 1153 🔗

Same here really. Most of my neighbours seem to come and go and have visitors in and out as they please. I doubt they’re all out and out sceptics, but they’re certainly not isolated and don’t seem to live in fear. I guess that makes me lucky as I don’t have to worry about anyone near me reporting me to the stasi.

They probably wouldn’t notice me standing outside. If they did they’d probably just think I was waiting for a cab or something…

Still, any and all ideas are welcome, different things might work in different places as you say.

324701 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Brian D, 3, #729 of 1153 🔗

You lost me at ‘C’.

324714 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Brian D, 4, #730 of 1153 🔗

Brian,

I know you mean well.

…and perhaps your approach would work with a few people who are already Christians. Maybe if you are a member of a church you could look at using that line of thought.

By all means. I certainly do think there is a Christian argunent against Covidianism.

I agree that we must reach out to others.

However, your Christian approach, as sorry as I am to say it, unfortunately means that your campaign would be self-limiting from the getgo, as regards broader society.

We need the broadest coalition possible in order to be able to win back our ability to live full human lives again.

Any such approach as you suggest would limit that from the outset…

Best Wishes

324762 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to rockoman, 5, #731 of 1153 🔗

Yes. I live in a predominantly Muslim community and they’ve been the ones who’ve called round to see if I needed anything. There hasn’t been a squeak from any of the local churches.

324777 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Brian D, #732 of 1153 🔗

I’ll do it, but the neighbours won’t notice!

324702 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 21, #733 of 1153 🔗

If Boris had died from Covid last April the eulogies might have said that he showed promise. Nine months later he has shown us that he was a fraud and a charlatan.

324715 ▶▶ Will, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #734 of 1153 🔗

He is but he is going to get away with it because he has delivered Brexit.

324718 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Will, 2, #735 of 1153 🔗

Delivered Brexit from..?

324732 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #736 of 1153 🔗

I assume from Alistair Campbell. He was complaining in the Guardian how he had failed to derail Brexit. So it must have arrived instead. Somewhere.

324753 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Will, #737 of 1153 🔗

Has he though?

324763 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Cheezilla, #738 of 1153 🔗

If Farage thinks he has then that is good enough.

324816 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Will, 4, #739 of 1153 🔗

What use is Brexit if we’re still in the clutches of the UN/WHO/China?

324853 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bugle, 1, #740 of 1153 🔗

It always was a futile distraction from the real agenda – aimed at the naive.

324890 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to RickH, 1, #741 of 1153 🔗

Probably includes me.

324925 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Bugle, 1, #742 of 1153 🔗

Precisely, the only reason I voted Brexit was because I could see that the EU was part of the system of global governance and if we’ve got that anyway then there isn’t really much point in worrying too much about Brexit or not Brexit.

324956 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bugle, -1, #743 of 1153 🔗

You forgot NATO/USA

324772 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Will, 5, #744 of 1153 🔗

Regrettably, I agree. Boris can take credit for avoiding the dreaded ‘no deal’ scenario, and there are still enough voters who believe that the ‘killer virus’ has to be stopped, even if that means the nation is reduced to a pile of smoldering rubble.

No-one in the political establishment opposed the ‘lockdowns’. Unless we see a credible alternative party established before the next election the choice will be between Boris and his ‘lockdown’ zealots, or Starmer and his ‘lockdown earlier, harder and longer’ zealots. In Scotland we’ll have the choice of SNP ‘lockdown’ zealots and an array of ‘lockdown’-supporting minnows who have no chance of forming a Government.

Things can only get better!

324790 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 14, #745 of 1153 🔗

He may do but I can’t see how any remotely sane person, even the keenest Brexiteer, could think that delivering Brexit in any way makes up for the damage he has done to this country

He has presided over the most evil folly in peacetime British history because of personal and political cowardice and hubris, removed freedoms, lied, threatened, conducted prolonged psychological warfare on the people he was elected to serve, and he had a 5-year mandate and an 80-seat majority

324822 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Julian, 8, #746 of 1153 🔗

The face of this government to me is a lonely elderly woman I know with a terminal disease who doesn’t see her family. It’s also the sight of legitimate protestors with blood running down their faces.

324857 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bugle, 1, #747 of 1153 🔗

Indeed. And whilst the details weren’t predictable, the general direction was clear when the Tories voted for egotism and dishonesty, with the inevitable result of Johnson + Starmer.

324879 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Julian, #748 of 1153 🔗

Guilty as charged!

324717 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #749 of 1153 🔗

Go to Bit Chute Mark Windows and watch his interview with John Waters the first week of May, 2020. Then his interview with Sandi Adams on April 8, 2020. Go back in time to remember how far we have regressed since the beginning of this United Nations sponsored global takeover agenda.

324795 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #750 of 1153 🔗

Does he know that, he doesn’t read much, allegedly, and delegates anything he can, he probably thinks he’s still Churchill

324797 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to bebophaircut, -1, #751 of 1153 🔗

I’m looking forward to Brexit being “delivered” if only to focus minds on the actual important issue !

324858 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, #752 of 1153 🔗

You can never ‘deliver’ a fiction.

324709 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #753 of 1153 🔗

A very good article about Ivermectin and why US and Europe are late comers. This is a well balanced report

https://trialsitenews.com/in-far-flung-places-covid-19-is-being-treated-early-and-well-heres-why-americans-dont-know-this/


“The United States, the supposed leader in medical breakthroughs, is reluctant to follow or trust the science and data of far-off countries, where valuable research is emerging. Europe and Canada have mostly followed suit.
— But above all, the U.S. has poured $11.2 billion into vaccine development. An effective early treatment could potentially undercut demand for those vaccines, though we clearly need both.”

“I don’t suggest there is a profit-driven conspiracy to let infections fester and people die. For better or worse, this is how things work in a democratic, capitalist culture. A problem presents an opportunity. Business, government, medicine and media respond. But the grave implications of COVID-19 mean these players have acted in outsized and often counterproductive ways.”

“As a long-time investigative journalist, I have written about ivermectin and, before that, hydroxychloroquine, as cheap, approved drugs that could be treating COVID now. I believe the evidence should be studied in an unbiased way. But mainstream media has upheld an almost universal blackout on anything positive about these safe generics.”


“To be sure, some of the results sound too good to be true or are based on small patient samples. Others are available only in online drafts that have not been officially published. But 16 studies have been peer-reviewed, and 11 are randomized control trials that compared patients who did and did not get the drug.

324758 ▶▶ Biker, replying to swedenborg, 17, #754 of 1153 🔗

There isn’t a single thing business doesn’t do better than government. If it were business in charge there wouldn’t be a shut down, the facts would be on the news and we’d all be much better off. Government is the sole problem facing humanity

324852 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Biker, -3, #755 of 1153 🔗

You have a touching childlike naivety, Biker. It’s quite sweet – like a belief in Santa.

Business is just as much at the heart of this corruption – there is a current fusion between bodies like the WHO and mega capital.

324871 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, 4, #756 of 1153 🔗

Bro you don’t even know what i’m talking about. Every single issue we have with business is caused by the government selling regulations so it can interfere in everything. See that’s the difference between the likes of me and you, i want to be left alone to work and play how i choose and you want the government to step in-between every single thing i do. You’re support for government is what has caused this so i find it quite ironic here you are complaining, it’s almost like you want to pick and choose where i don’t want any of it. You won’t see it off course because as a socialist you won’t permit reality

324905 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Biker, -4, #757 of 1153 🔗

… you want the government to step in-between every single thing i do. You’re support for government is what has caused this  … ” Predictable conformist Monday Club blah.

That’s a dumb delusion worthy of a Covideer, Biker. You really need to stop working so hard on your image and get back to Planet Earth.

325179 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, 1, #758 of 1153 🔗

Yeah bro i realise that my right not to be interfered by you doesn’t concern you, i’m well aware of that.

324920 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Biker, 2, #759 of 1153 🔗

I’d say there are plenty of things the public sector can, and more often than not, do better than the private sector e.g. armed forces, policing, major infrastructure planning, and running elections to representative assemblies. There are lots of areas where it’s important to have a strong public sector presence e.g. toll free roads (or perhaps you’d prefer to go back to the days of the turnpike), even if the providers are often private sector contractors.

325178 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to OKUK, #760 of 1153 🔗

they can’t do it without taking my money from me by force

324942 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Biker, #761 of 1153 🔗

Democracy: the least worst system of government.

325180 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Tim Bidie, #762 of 1153 🔗

No government is the best form of government

325307 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Biker, #763 of 1153 🔗

Maybe, maybe not……:

‘….coercion was used in many cases to “encourage” the collectivization of rural areas and private property was probably taken by force in urban areas as well. The revolutionaries also never entirely took full power in the areas they controlled. In Barcelona, the city with the most significant anarchist presence, at least 25% of the economy was always outside of syndicalist influence. Rates were higher in other areas. As the revolution only lasted ten months, questions on how the society would have continued to develop remain unanswered.’

https://bigthink.com/scotty-hendricks/what-happens-when-anarchists-run-a-country-history-has-an-answer

324960 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to swedenborg, #764 of 1153 🔗

There may be an opportunity here for a minor political party, perhaps in a similar vein to ‘La Republique En Marche’, coming from nowhere, as a coalition of local and national interest groups, on the back of the coming revelations of utter incompetence by the Conservatives, abetted by the other main parties.

Timing will be everything and, as Closeau didn’t say to Cato, ‘The time isn’t now’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKHLqQ_Hi5Q

325034 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #765 of 1153 🔗

I agree. In the UK, in the absence of PR it is difficult to make a breakthrough in the Commons but not impossible. If you can get past 25% and concentrate your vote, you can be represented in the 100s. If you can get past 30%, you can win a majority, quite possibly.

So the question is really whether there are – or will be – enough pissed off people. I think in a year’s time there could we be. The furlough will be over. There will be millions of unemployed. Millions more will have suffered major reductions in their household income. Irksome Covid regulations will still be in play. Millions who do not want to take the vaccine will be livid at the restrictions placed on their freedom. A large number of small businesses will have collapsed. The government will be committing to the Davos Great Reset agenda. Continued emphasis on the BLM agenda, on critical race theory brainwashing, transgenderism and PC values. Continued attacks on free speech , now to be extended to what we say at home (thanks Law Commission and SNP! ) will enrage millions more.

324712 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 28, #766 of 1153 🔗

There’s an unofficial rumour going around that people in Italy are now demonstrating outside politicians houses. However, politicians won’t take any notice until they are decorating lampposts.

324730 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #767 of 1153 🔗

You are sounding very vindictive. I know how you feel :o))

324738 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #768 of 1153 🔗

Decorate the lampposts with politicians, etc.

325215 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to bebophaircut, #769 of 1153 🔗

I think we got that.

324716 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 52, #770 of 1153 🔗

Greetings sceptics. Happy to report that I left Tier 4, spent a night in Tier 3, spent time with family indoors, hugs, food, laughter. Back to Tier 4. I heard somewhere that such things are illegal but that can’t be right. No morally sound human being or government would ever prevent such a thing and no self-respecting populace would ever accept it. I mean you’d have to be brainwashed or terrified to accept a government telling you who you could see, where you could go or how far apart you have you stand! Who ever heard of something so ridiculous? Merry Christmas.

324727 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Achilles, 15, #771 of 1153 🔗

I don’t even know what my regulations are. I’m paying it that much notice…

324774 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #772 of 1153 🔗

I’m in tier 0

324798 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to stefarm, 3, #773 of 1153 🔗

I’m in a bubble with myself

324824 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stefarm, 7, #774 of 1153 🔗

I’m in Tier Free. (Saw that written in the dust on a white van.)

324840 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to stefarm, 1, #775 of 1153 🔗

Me? Tier f. off.

324799 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #776 of 1153 🔗

I’ve no idea either and I couldn’t careless.

324917 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Achilles, 4, #777 of 1153 🔗

Don’t watch the news anymore, for all I know we could be under martial law or that I have to walk around in a bio hazard suit, I just wouldn’t know. PS please don’t tell me that is the law now!!

324728 dommo, replying to dommo, 8, #778 of 1153 🔗

one for the mums and dads:-

https://www.ukmedfreedom.org/resources/open-letters

Open Letter to Education Minister on Mass-Testing in Schools

324748 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to dommo, 11, #779 of 1153 🔗

Thanks.

Done, distributed wide and far.

Get this to all parents and schools

For the reasons set out in this letter we therefore believe that any school that intends to operate any form of testing prior to allowing children back to school, with or without using army personnel, will be in breach of their statutory duty of care and the staff may be held personally liable for all emotional and physical harm or distressed caused, together with the loss of education, being a fundamental right for a child to receive.

324834 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 1, #780 of 1153 🔗

I’d just add : “Remember that, under the Nuremberg Protocols, ‘I was just following orders’ is no excuse.

324744 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #781 of 1153 🔗

Travellers from Tier 4 should ‘assume’ they have Covid variant and self-isolate Anyone who travelled from a Tier 4 area or Wales is being urged by health chiefs to self isolate, turn away Christmas Day visitors and “assume” they have the new Covid-19 variant.
The “urgent advice” from public health directors in the West Midlands was issued through the region’s strategic co-ordinating group (SCG) on Monday, after London and much of the South East entered Tier 4 at the weekend.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk-news/travellers-tier-4-should-assume-19499794?fbclid=IwAR2sBQA0avlU3ZFgWHPAl41AJo_DIjqCPh17BcYJe3wgNpCYNQmCy9l1OC4

Turn away visitors? FFS!

324766 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #782 of 1153 🔗

Let’s pretend.

324781 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #783 of 1153 🔗

Boris called this sort of thing ‘inhuman’.
Until he changed whatever he has in place of a mind.

PS. I come from Wales and I do not consider myself as a walking sack of virus.
FFFFFFFFFS.

324792 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #784 of 1153 🔗

lalalalalalalala

324805 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cheezilla, 23, #785 of 1153 🔗

This pandemic is so weak you’re now being asked to pretend you have it.

324831 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 2, #786 of 1153 🔗

Nice one.

324850 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Achilles, 5, #787 of 1153 🔗

999.. “Hello operator, yes, Police required please. Crime in progress. This guy…I saw him… he’s not pretending he’s got covid! he seems to be walking around, all, what’s the word, healthy?! SWAT team, swarm, swarm!”

324924 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Achilles, 2, #788 of 1153 🔗

Full on emperors new clothes mentality

324756 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #789 of 1153 🔗

https://mobile.twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1343597335021051907

And so it goes on. You’ll be banned from YouTube for saying anything which questions the WHO and their efficacy in dealing with CV-19.

Remember that Google own YouTube and have direct investments in Astra Zeneca vaccines through Google Ventures

https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/12/investigative-series/developers-of-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-tied-to-uk-eugenics-movement/

324825 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #790 of 1153 🔗

Indirect proof of dodgy dealing – honesty needs no censorship.

Put this together with the Council of Europe report on the H1N1 debacle, and you can see that ‘lessons have’ indeed ‘been learned’ – but in the direction of filling holes in the corruption plan.

324875 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #791 of 1153 🔗

So, say it directly to the W.H.O. on their website. Shame them mercilessly.

324770 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 24, #792 of 1153 🔗

New Year’s present for the Coviterrified:

324802 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #793 of 1153 🔗

Like it.

324981 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #794 of 1153 🔗

Could be used to replace those Whitty-Vallance charts when the Liberation government takes over.

324780 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #795 of 1153 🔗

Reported deaths have have been relatively low over Christmas period – no doubt because Christmas has delayed reporting more than usual. This was explained in one of Radio 4’s reports.

I think it quite likely in a few days over a thousand deaths will be reported. The highest since last April.

If this does happen will it be mentioned it is an outcome of delayed reporting?

[STOP PRESS – something like that has been acknowledged re. cases – now at a new maximum.]

324909 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #796 of 1153 🔗

Of course it won’t. It will be dressed up as a ‘consequence’ of the ‘mixing’ over Christmas (despite the fact that not enough time would have passed for the infections to translate into potential deaths – iirc this takes around 21 days) in order to terrify the populace senseless into a third useless lockdown. I am actually dreading the inevitability of this; it’s so frustrating trying to explain to indoctrinated friends/family how the government fear machine works, but they insist ‘They wouldn’t be doing this if they didn’t need to, would they?’

324796 Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, 44, #797 of 1153 🔗

One thing I’ve found interesting is just how many people assume there will be enforcement of some kind, where usually there isn’t.

A friend was surprised I hadn’t been fined in a shop yet… I’ve found it’s the opposite, the security guard was asking where I’d been. Maybe because I’m not faceless! Similarly on the train to London to visit friends and family for Christmas, people asked about increased British Transport Police – but I saw none. In the station I thought a staff member was going to ask about the lack of mask, but was actually just checking whether I needed travel advice.

And again before going into a shop my dad said “Have you got a mask? They’ll ask you.” I said very firmly “They won’t ask me.” They didn’t ask me.

Almost everyone was wearing masks on the tube, but I didn’t sense dirty looks or people leaving me a particularly wide berth. So “compliant but not terrified” seems to be the norm.

Anyway sorry for the boring post, it was my first time in London this year so I was quite interested to see what the general mood was. Hope everyone had a good non distanced Christmas!

324800 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tee Ell, 9, #798 of 1153 🔗

Not boring, Tee Ell. Just a good news story. Thanks for sharing it!

324803 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tee Ell, 16, #799 of 1153 🔗

It’s all based on fear. The idea that there are police roadblocks is laughable – even if they do stop you, how can they prove you are not travelling for work/property purchase/visiting a bubble etc?

At the very worst they will tell you to go back home and you might get a £200 fine (cut to £100 if you pay up right away, or cut to nothing possibly if you’re willing to gamble on a court appearance). Similarly with any police knocking on the door – no warrant, no entry. Worst case scenario is they get in and you get a similar fine.

Also I have never had anything said to me about not wearing a mask in shops, except one run by a well known curmudgeon. My worst moment was going to a motorway service station packed with hundreds of mask wearing zombies and yet nobody said anything or even gave me a second glance.

People seem to magnify the regulations in their own minds into something more than they are. The ‘only one hour per day for exercise’ rule during the first lockdown, that was parroted by everyone even though it wasn’t part of the rules, is one such.

324838 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cranmer, 12, #800 of 1153 🔗

Good point, had 2 households round Xmas day and future SIL stay for 2 nights (after some arm twisting), nice time had by all no talk about ‘it’ from me barring a few tuts from me when watching TV, 1 being when watching celebrity pointless as the ‘celebrities’ on each podium were separated by a perspex partition, I nearly spat my beer out, absolutely laughable, sorry I digress, OH and SIL were up until 03:30 talking about ‘it’, I haven’t asked what the outcome was.

Anyhoo both SIL’s were using the buzzwords, ‘during lockdown blah blah, ‘i’m in a work bubble blah blah blah’ ‘we will have had the jab before the wedding, can’t wait’ fuck me you’ve got a rude awakening love I thought. Can’t wait to see you when we are ‘allowed’…fuck sake you can do anything you want!!!

It’s amazing how the buzzwords have crept in to everyday speak, I’ve never said them or used them. I don’t care what a bubble is or what or who I’m ‘allowed’ to see or what tier I’m in.

324901 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to stefarm, 6, #801 of 1153 🔗

Agree. As important as breaking the rules is not paying any attention to them or knowing what they are.

324851 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Cranmer, 7, #802 of 1153 🔗

‘The idea that there are police roadblocks is laughable’

I was most disappointed. I had the two grannies with me and furtively driving them home on Boxing Day. I had a whole routine worked out for my Gestapo interview. And all for nothing!

324907 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to George Mc, 7, #803 of 1153 🔗

The closest I have seen are stupid matrix displays on the motorway saying “TIER 4 STAY LOCAL” and similar inane messages.

Almost as good as the ones that say “FOG” which are either false or pointless.

324927 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to guy153, 3, #804 of 1153 🔗

FOG – yes…a lot of motorists take that to mean “accelerate before someone runs into the back you”.

325063 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to guy153, 1, #805 of 1153 🔗

You think you have it bad. Drive over the Severn bridge and be met with 50mph speed signs and messages like AMODAU GYRRU GWAEL. Probably 95% if not more will know what the problem is, because no translation. Even more confusing when the sun is shining (It means poor driving conditions)

324828 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tee Ell, 9, #806 of 1153 🔗

No need to apologise, it’s not boring at all. I really enjoy these on-the-ground reports.

324906 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Tee Ell, 5, #807 of 1153 🔗

Guy wouldn’t let me into McDonald’s to buy a burger because I said I don’t do masks. Probably did me a favour. Anyway that’s the only time since this nonsence satrted I’ve been asked for a mask.

324801 DanClarke, 4, #808 of 1153 🔗

What does your bubble look like, has it got a door, windows, what colour are the walls? I’m thinking of extending mine to have a party room

324804 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 7, #809 of 1153 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55462701

Always bearing in mind the wondrous elasticity of the COVID Oracle counter, we have here an exciting drama showcase.

‘Covid-19: Concern at ‘unprecedented’ infection level in England’

‘England’s “very high” Covid infection level is a “growing concern” as the NHS struggles to cope with rising patient numbers, a health official has said.’

‘Patient numbers’? Now that is a rich area for discussion. Are we talking here about the previously noted ‘over enthusiastic’ people who feverishly phoned in with a bit of a cough? Are these patients actually on the beds or just taking up waiting room space while constantly checking their armpits for exploding postules?

‘Hospitals in Wales, Scotland and the south of England have reported a rising pressure on their services as the number of Covid patients rises.’

Again that alluring reference to the mysteriously defined ‘covid patients’.

‘The president of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine said she saw “wall to wall Covid” when she worked at one London hospital on Christmas Day.’

COVID wallpaper no less! Ooh can I have some?

‘Katherine Henderson told the BBC … “The chances are that we will cope, but we cope at a cost – the cost is not doing what we had hoped, which is being able to keep non-Covid activities going.’

I e. Being able to keep GENUINE medical cases going.

‘A Public Health Wales official said hospitals were under enormous and unprecedented pressure.’

Plan to overload the NHS with bullshit going well then!

After which we get the obligatory fairground of charts. Lookin’ good, boys. Keep up the show!

324902 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to George Mc, 3, #810 of 1153 🔗

It’s funny they never tell you how many people are checking out. What is this fucking hotel California?

324808 Janette, replying to Janette, 8, #811 of 1153 🔗

I see the nurse who had the vaccine in America and fainted not long after, has now sadly died. See The Truthseeker for details.

324837 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Janette, 3, #812 of 1153 🔗
325018 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #813 of 1153 🔗

The “creepy video” is blocked.

324809 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 10, #814 of 1153 🔗
324827 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to stefarm, 3, #815 of 1153 🔗

“I’m DONE.”

Haha nice work, inspiring.

324847 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 7, #816 of 1153 🔗

The asymptomatic thing being outed as a lie really does end the arguments for all of the virtue signalling theatre.

324863 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #817 of 1153 🔗

Asymptomatic thing, does that make it a conspiracy theory??? Or just crap???

325016 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, #818 of 1153 🔗

From the comments

324811 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 8, #819 of 1153 🔗

I know there is not much to be cheerful about, but one good thing is, I think, that there is not (yet) any sign of a physical clampdown on either movement or free speech.

For example, the government has not significantly increased police numbers nor set up any kind of paramilitary police auxiliary (blackshirts) or national police/security agency (gestapo). It could easily be done and there would be many willing volunteers – remember a million people volunteered as NHS auxiliaries – but as yet, no sign.

Similarly, no evidence of a major clampdown on free speech/anti Covid talk online. Yes there is creeping censorship via social media etc but away from the major platforms this is not happening.

Of course, this could just be because the government knows it does not need these things as its propaganda machine is sufficient to get the populace to self-censor and self-police.

324864 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Cranmer, 12, #820 of 1153 🔗

Speakers Corner has been heavily policed for several months now. Even though the regulars are careful with distancing etc there is now zero tolerance from the Parks police and Met should anyone try to exercise their rights of free expression. There have been arrests using excessive force as this video shows
https://youtu.be/-W1rPRZ_vYs
There is a strong feeling among the regulars that this has gone beyond enforcing Covid regulations and is now an attack on dissent from the official narrative.

324872 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cranmer, 5, #821 of 1153 🔗

It has all been done insidiously. Only just stopping short when the Nuremberg Code becomes pertinent. The good news is, the pushback starts here.

325008 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, #822 of 1153 🔗

What about the Online Harms Bill?

324812 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #823 of 1153 🔗

The Government said that, as of 9am on Monday, there had been a further 41,385 lab-confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK, while a further 357 people have died within 28 days of testing positive.

On Boxing Day?????

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-oxford-astrazeneca-lockdown-tier/

324839 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #824 of 1153 🔗

Had my insane mother in law urging us to get my 4 year old tested as she has a blocked nose. This was based on someone she knows who got tested due to having a cough.

She can’t wait for the vaccine as everyone is dying this year.

324846 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #825 of 1153 🔗

There’s so so many of these people around!

324865 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #826 of 1153 🔗

In my experience, the sooner you tell the in-laws to keep their fucking noses out of parenting your own child, the better. Until you need a babysitter of course.

324994 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #827 of 1153 🔗

Runny noses are not a symptom of covid!

324862 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #828 of 1153 🔗

What is the running total of people testing positive and others vaccinated?

324995 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #829 of 1153 🔗

I’ve no idea – and I doubt that up-to-date figures will be available even if I knew where to look for them.

325053 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #830 of 1153 🔗

that will come in the new year and will be displayed by region as a nudge to people to get vaccinated so reduce their local tier level

325071 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, #831 of 1153 🔗
325087 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, #832 of 1153 🔗

Thanks. That’s a new development.

324813 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 10, #833 of 1153 🔗

My favourite film

324832 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 4, #834 of 1153 🔗

Love that movie. “watch the leathers maaan”

324886 ▶▶ LS99, replying to stefarm, 1, #835 of 1153 🔗

Maybe it’s just me who doesn’t know but what is this movie?

324935 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to LS99, #836 of 1153 🔗

apparently “dazed and confused”. No,,, me neither !!!

324817 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #837 of 1153 🔗

Germany’s Covid-19 vaccination campaign has been overshadowed by a mishap in the north where eight workers in an elderly care home received an overdose.
Vorpommern-Ruegen district authorities said the workers in Stralsund city received five times the recommended dose of the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine on Sunday.
Four went to hospital for observation after developing flu-like symptoms.

Source DT live
I understand that each vial contains five doses. This is what happens when unqualified people are hurriedly recruited to do medical procedures.

324922 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #838 of 1153 🔗

Fro US
As stated, that is from last Friday probably 1 million doses given. But not reported at least 5-8 more anaphylaxis as reported media and local PH dept. Probably delay in reporting

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1343599973607350272

CDC has now vaccine adverse events in its VAERS system. This is as of last Friday (Xmas) so expect a major lag. Still CDC reports five “life-threatening” events, 79 ER visits, and four hospitalizations, which must be low since more have been publicly reported

324992 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 1, #839 of 1153 🔗

Don’t forget Tiffany Dover, who apparently has died after receiving the vaccine.

325198 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Cheezilla, #840 of 1153 🔗

I don’t think this has been confirmed but 13anaphylaxis for Pfizer 1 milliondoses and 1 anaphylaxis for Moderna.

324951 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Cheezilla, #841 of 1153 🔗

Multi-dose vials? Oh dear. And risk of contamination from previous use? I’m sure it’s all perfectly safe.

324819 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #842 of 1153 🔗

No need to worry – it’s all perfectly safe:

German care home workers given five times vaccine dose

  • Eight care home workers in Germany were accidentally injected with five doses of the COVID-19 vaccine , local authorities said Monday—but are suffering no serious ill effects so far.
  • as they were being inoculated on Sunday, they were each injected with five doses at once, according to Stefan Kerth, the administrator of the district where the facility is located.
  • Four were admitted to hospital for observation with mild flu-like symptoms, while the others were sent home.
  • “I deeply regret this incident,” Kerth said, adding that the mistake was an isolated case and down to human error.
  • I hope all those affected suffer no serious side effects, ” he said.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-german-home-workers-vaccine-dose.html#:~:text=Eight%20care%20home%20workers%20in,of%20Stralsund%20in%20northeastern%20Germany .

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That’s quite a shot in the arm for those vaccinated. They could be the first example of super immunity?

324844 ▶▶ Biker, replying to godowneasy, 8, #843 of 1153 🔗

Maybe they’ll mutate into super heroes each with a special ability, like being able to kill someone by just walking by and passing on the lab flu. Shit comic but i can see the motion picture with The C Men led by BJ our fearless ruffled haired head honcho taking on 90 year old cancer sufferers and killing them as many as three weeks before they would have died anyway there by saving humanity from it’s self and the state picking up the tab for their dinner

324993 ▶▶ Annie, replying to godowneasy, #844 of 1153 🔗

Five doses of snake oil have the same effect as one dose of snake oil.

324821 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #845 of 1153 🔗

https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1343560730105307146

“You need a daily tracker of Fauci’s opinions: Anthony Fauci on 12/21/20: Don’t ban travel. “We don’t want to overreact.” Anthony Fauci on 12/28/20: Full “new strain” panic. Opinion on travel ban changed, demands a “documented negative COVID-19 test.” The science has spoken!

 https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/531783-fauci-mutant-coronavirus-strain-must-be-taken-very-seriously

324849 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to swedenborg, 2, #846 of 1153 🔗

21st Century Schizoid Man.

325046 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #847 of 1153 🔗

Tony Blair’s favourite tune

324833 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 27, #848 of 1153 🔗

Next London protest:

https://twitter.com/StandUpX2/status/1343601814172823559

NEXT HUGE COLLABORATIVE MARCH – NO LOGOS OF ORGANISERS JUST ONE BIG PROTEST IN LONDON SATURDAY 9TH JANUARY 12PM. LOCATION TBC

NO LOCKDOWNS, NO HEALTH PASSPORTS, NO TESTS, NO VACCINE!

325044 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #849 of 1153 🔗

New years eve could be interesting. The authorities will probably regret arranging for the bongs of Big Ben to ring.

324841 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 8, #850 of 1153 🔗

I’m just a teenage disease vector baby. We could listen to Iron Maiden, maybe.

324869 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to PatrickF, 3, #851 of 1153 🔗

I’m impressed by the way they’ve made a long career out of recording the same “song” a few hundred times, but they lack the humour of fellow tedium merchants AC/DC.

324880 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Ossettian, 2, #852 of 1153 🔗

Don’t knock AC/DC with Bon Scott writing the songs. Powerage is a classic and Highway to Hell is peerless.

324892 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Biker, 3, #853 of 1153 🔗

Angus still wearing his schoolboy outfit is more than a little creepy.

324895 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Biker, #854 of 1153 🔗

OK, I was being a bit unfair to them.

His was the sense of humour I mentioned.

324915 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to PatrickF, 2, #855 of 1153 🔗

Give it time. General grubbiness, body hair and viruses will be equated with sex appeal within 5 years. What goes around comes around. The songs will all be about it!

325000 ▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Noumenon, 1, #856 of 1153 🔗

We seem to have missed this phenomenon with Covid. Anyone remember Heroin Chic? How cool it was to smoke plain-pack fags? Wanting to be associated with Aids in any way possible – usually sporting a red ribbon as though one might occasionally engage in something kinky? (Not that it’s considered kinky any longer) Very depressing how contamination-phobia is now universal, even among the anarchic

324845 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #858 of 1153 🔗

Anyone here an expert in Photoshop? Knock yourselves out.

324854 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #859 of 1153 🔗

We seem to have a record number of ‘cases’ today;
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13589301/uk-covid-deaths-rise/
I know many people have to get tested for work, medical treatment, school etc. but even so who are all these people whose idea of a special Christmas treat is a jolly festive trip to the local pop-up covid test centre?
Has it not occurred to them that it is this test system that is causing the problem and giving rise to all these pointless lock-downs? ‘You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows’, you don’t need a test to know you have a winter wobble.
Now there are news reports of the NHS being overwhelmed…………….oh dear I had better get along to the swimming pool before they close it down again.

324870 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #860 of 1153 🔗

Probably the massive backlog of pre-Christmas tests still going through the swamped shitehouse labs.

324941 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #861 of 1153 🔗

I am quite sure there are a lot of people who thought to themselves
“I just get tested to be sure I am negative before I see my family”, no symptoms, and are now very surprised to receive a + message!

Maybe that will swing them towards our direction, though!

324988 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Silke David, #862 of 1153 🔗

Especially a few days later when they have no discernible symptoms!

324856 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 25, #863 of 1153 🔗

Why is the NHS under pressure now? Why will it be under pressure next winter as well? Why will it always be under pressure? No MP ever has the answers, it’s just one of life’s great mysteries.

324877 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PatrickF, 7, #864 of 1153 🔗

You mean ‘No MP will admit the answer’ … which has been years of cuts to the basic fabric, leading to the highest profits and lowest number of beds in western Europe. Tories and Labour have, again, been complicit in sucking out the lifeblood.

324882 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to PatrickF, 11, #865 of 1153 🔗

If it is under pressure then surely NHS managers and ministers are responsible. After all, Winter comes every year.

324883 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to PatrickF, 10, #866 of 1153 🔗

I rather think the NHS is too big, too cumbersome and managed in an oppressive top down way that stifles any energy and initiative down the line. If it was a commercial company I think it would be declared too big to work and would be broken up.
I think this year has shown that this is what needs to happen to the NHS, if we are going to get devolved regional Government then each region country should have its own fully independent health operation

324910 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #867 of 1153 🔗

It certainly needs radical reform, but privatisation is not I think the solution. Before 1948, things worked on the basis of a large charity sector and 101 swizzes to get people the treatment they needed, and then many fell through the cracks. Which is not to gainsay the belief among many nurses at the time that nationalisation wrecked some excellent hospitals that had done good work.

I don’t think there’s an easy solution, but I do think it is much easier to break eggs than cook omelettes.

324936 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ovis, 4, #868 of 1153 🔗

Too many chiefs and not enough Indians.

324903 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to PatrickF, 13, #869 of 1153 🔗

No mystery. The answer is, quite simply, a lack of political appetite, will, leadership for reform.

It is perfectly clear, for all to see, just across the channel, what is required:

‘It would be far more insightful to benchmark the NHS against social health insurance (SHI) systems, the model of healthcare adopted by Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and Israel.

Like the NHS, SHI systems also achieve universal access to healthcare, albeit in a different way, namely through a combination of means-tested insurance premium subsidies, community rating and risk structure compensation. Unlike in the US, there is therefore no uninsured population (even homeless people have health insurance), and there is no such thing as a ‘medical bankruptcy’.

When it comes to providing high-quality healthcare to the poor, these systems are second to none: in this respect, there is nothing the NHS has achieved which the SHI systems have not also achieved. In terms of outcomes, quality and efficiency, social health insurance systems they are consistently ahead of the NHS on almost every available measure. They combine the universality of a public system with the consumer sovereignty, the pluralism, the competitiveness and the innovativeness of a market system.

We do not see any one particular country’s health system as a role model, because they all have flaws and irritating aspects of their own. But there are also plenty of interesting lessons to be learned, which we are missing out on by ignoring alternatives to both the NHS and the American system.

The Dutch system shows that a successful health system needs no state-owned hospitals, no state hospital planning and no hospital subsidies. The Swiss system shows that even substantial levels of out-of-pocket patient charges need not be regressive, and that people can be trusted to choose sensibly from a variety of health insurance plans. The ‘PKV pillar’ of the German system shows that a healthcare system can be fully prefunded, just like a pension system.’

https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Niemietz-NHS-Interactive.pdf

324987 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to PatrickF, 3, #870 of 1153 🔗

Let’s see…Germany has three times the number of hospital beds we do…

324873 dommo, replying to dommo, 33, #871 of 1153 🔗

you really couldn’t make this up!

enjoyed a lovely sunny afternoon walk through a delightful suffolk seaside town yesterday, spoiled only by:-

  • the arrows on the pavements marking out the different sides of the road as “one way only” for pedestrians
  • traffic light systems on shop doorways
  • several closed down shops, and one shopkeeper overheard saying they could only survive for another month
  • all the shuttered pubs, restaurants and hotels
  • numerous maskees and swervers

the town? why none other than southwold, former family home of Mr Orwell. Poor bugger will be spinning in his grave…

324991 ▶▶ Annie, replying to dommo, 3, #872 of 1153 🔗

Used to love a day in Southwold.,But it always had more notices telling you not to do things than any other town of comparable size. I’m not surprised uf it’s gone Covvicrazy.

324884 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 31, #873 of 1153 🔗

Nothing new to many of you, but BBC News really is fear porn central. I wouldn’t normally watch, but I’m in Scotland at my parent’s house for the holiday (‘extended family *bubble*’) and I can’t exactly escape down to the pub with my friends here.

‘There are more Covid hospitalisations than during the peak!!’, they scream. ‘70,000 cases now!’, they bemoan. No mention of the fact that hardly any testing was going on back in March and April and that, indeed, the tests themselves are highly inaccurate. The message is clear – we need to shit our pants and just accept another economy-crashing, freedom-robbing lockdown which will most certainly put everything right. Get those pots and pans out.

I’ve known the BBC are agents of the government for ten years. But it’s still sickening to watch, as well as deeply frustrating. If we just all switched it off, it’d be far harder for the government to get their way. Given where we are, there can be no wonder why so many impressionable, lazy people are brainwashed.

On the upside, I’ve enjoyed some fairly good weather here and been to a number of local landmarks. Most of which are rather more than 5 miles away. Whether that’s a recommendation or a law, I really could not care less.

324889 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 10, #874 of 1153 🔗

Every individual has it in his power to ‘defund the BBC’ simply by refusing to pay the licence fee. Whether one continues to watch illegally, or gets rid of the television to comply with the law, is a matter for the individual conscience.

I disagree that the BBC is the mouthpiece of the government. When government policy is broadly in line with cultural marxist/progressive orthodoxy, then this may seem to be the case. But when government policy is against that – ie, Brexit – then a divergence occurs.

324898 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cranmer, 5, #875 of 1153 🔗

Assuming a government that wants to deliver… But yes, I take the point. If one says ‘deep state’ or ‘establishment’ is that naughty?

324904 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Cranmer, 10, #876 of 1153 🔗

I certainly don’t have a TV license in my flat. I don’t even own a TV!

Well, I’m sceptical as to how committed this government really is to Brexit. I must admit that I haven’t seen the contents of the agreed deal in detail, but I’d be surprised if it’s particularly favourable to Brexiteers or Remainers alike. I wouldn’t put Johnson down as a true believer of leaving the European Union.

Nevertheless, even though I voted to leave the EU, I now find Brexit somewhat irrelevant. I voted to leave the EU as I felt it was threatening to personal freedoms and democracy in the long run. The widespread support for lockdowns (based on hastily produced propaganda and a lack, let’s face it, of critical thinking) would suggest to me that people in Britain don’t ultimately value personal freedoms. If only Remain had said that voting for their side would ‘save lives’ from a virus and they’d have won by a landslide…

324913 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 15, #877 of 1153 🔗

Yes, that’s my view also. Brexit is a sideshow now. 52% voted to ‘take back control’ but willingly gave up far more freedoms than the EU ever took from us. The actions of our government over Covid lead me to conclude their actions on Brexit are not to be trusted and have only been taken because it will benefit them rather than the people of this country.

324918 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cranmer, 12, #878 of 1153 🔗

No Brexit is not a sideshow. It is necessary but not sufficient.

Those of us who campaigned for it always knew it could only ever be a start, an opportunity that might be thrown away.

324934 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ovis, -5, #879 of 1153 🔗

Brexit was for the hedge funds. Simple.

324937 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to RickH, 5, #880 of 1153 🔗

That doesn’t explain why people from across the entire community voted (and campaigned) for it. Many working class people voted for the first time in their lives for independence. We really achieved the miracle that Biden appears to have repeated – a victory won by first-time-voters. We didn’t do that for the hedge funds.

324983 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ovis, 1, #881 of 1153 🔗

I think that, after 10 years of “austerity” working class people just voted for a change.

325043 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #882 of 1153 🔗

No, I don’t think it was just a wordless grunt for change. It was an intelligent demand for self-government.

325064 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #883 of 1153 🔗

So why then did they vote for the same Govt (Tory) that had given them the previous 10 years of austerity?

325078 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mikewaite, -2, #884 of 1153 🔗

Because they blamed “the immigrants”, thought Brexit would end immigration and dePiffle kept pushing his Get Brexit Done slogan.
Meanwhile, Corbyn sat unhelpfully on the Brexit fence while being slandered by the Jews.

325093 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, -2, #885 of 1153 🔗

Oh dear. Seems you don’t understand English irony. Some people wave a red flag but wear a brown shirt.

325091 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ovis, 1, #886 of 1153 🔗

Lol – there’s no Biden Miracle, apart from the miracle of persuading the CCP that a senile septuagenarian was the right man for the job. C’m on man!

325167 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, #887 of 1153 🔗

I know the Biden ‘magic’ is shit.

325226 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to RickH, -1, #888 of 1153 🔗

idiot

325088 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #889 of 1153 🔗

Instead, they used the interesting tactic of telling people that, if they voted to leave, they were stupid; they then spent the next four and a half years telling people, who had voted to leave, that they were stupid and were then surprised that they kept losing every election to Leave by a larger margin.

324929 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cranmer, -1, #890 of 1153 🔗

Yawn. Not more ‘Anything I don’t like is ‘marxist”. Political illiteracy at its most tedious.

Of course the BBC is the mouthpiece of government on important issues. It always has been since its inception, even tho’ the overt politicization has got worse.

324980 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 4, #891 of 1153 🔗

It may have been, but I am not sure that is the case now

Do you really think if the PM had gone for a Swedish approach they wouldn’t have attacked the government at every turn for killing old people?

325083 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 2, #892 of 1153 🔗

If the PM had gone for the Swedish approach while focusing all efforts on protecting the vulnerable, rather than ways to terrify the populace, the MSM would have had less ammunition.

324985 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, 2, #893 of 1153 🔗

I’d be interested to hear what your term is for the overall editorial mindset at the BBC, if not cultural marxist. Metropolitan liberal elite? Liberal-orthodox? Leftist? I think the political compass is now so skewed that it’s difficult to come up with an acceptable term, and of course bias is often a matter of individual standpoint.

The second Gulf War is an example of divergence between BBC and government policy. IIRC the BBC gave away locations and movements of British troops in news bulletins. Going further back, Churchill refused an interview with the BBC as early as the 1930s because he believed them to have a left wing, anti-government bias.

324908 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 14, #894 of 1153 🔗

Yes it’s infinitely depressing to think of all those households where people will switch on their little panic boxes and scream, “Oh my God! There’s no-one left alive in Greater London! AAAARGH!” And off they go screaming round the room. I’m guessing it was the same lot who were packing all the toilet rolls in spring.

324961 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 22, #895 of 1153 🔗

Other Half went on a break for a week in October with a married couple we are very good friends with. I concocted an excuse and stayed at home for reasons which will become apparent. He came back in a state of nervous exhaustion. We have been BBC-free for five years, while our friends have the television on all day long and believe everything they are told (but, sadly, not my attempts to counteract the propaganda). Apparently they gobbled up the fear porn with relish. I’ve been extraordinarily patient with people for nine months but no longer have any tether to hang on to or tongue left to bite. I retain some residual sympathy for bedwetters but the demand that we all should lie in their urine-sodden sheets alongside them is where I draw the line.

324888 RickH, 8, #896 of 1153 🔗

S what will be the number of ‘all cause’ deaths tomorrow?

Will a further fall be totally ignored by the hysteria industry, or will a small rise from last week be trumpeted as heralding Armageddon?

324912 Liewe, replying to Liewe, 23, #897 of 1153 🔗

South Africa just been plunged into level 3 lock down again. Masks in public spaces (indoor and out) mandatory. 6 Months jail or fines.NO exemptions.

No alcohol sales. Beaches/public parks/rivers/dams closed to the public. Curfew from 9pm to 6am.

Why? Because we have been naughty and allowed a respiratory virus to virus. Hospitals are full as we still do not have more staff/beds than we had in March despite spending gazillions.

F*k it! No mention of the overcrowded taxis

324926 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liewe, 7, #898 of 1153 🔗

That’s absolutely awful news.

324931 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Liewe, 7, #899 of 1153 🔗

Isn’t it summer in SA? This is a seasonal illness, we already saw that everywhere.

324975 ▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to leggy, 4, #900 of 1153 🔗

Yes, we had first peak in the winter and got away lightly. Now hospitals are overflowing. Our population is obese (worst in Africa) with high rates of heart disease/diabetes and TB.

325005 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Liewe, #901 of 1153 🔗

Do you know if you have excess “all respiratory virus” deaths ?

325050 ▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to OKUK, 2, #902 of 1153 🔗

We have very little data relating to excess death/ hospital occupancy/ deaths with co-morbidities available. We don’t even know the age distribution of the hospitalized. Joe public is kept in the dark

325052 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Liewe, 3, #903 of 1153 🔗

Didn’t work the first time so let’s do the same thing again.

325266 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Liewe, #904 of 1153 🔗

Must have received a phone call from Mr. Big.

324950 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #906 of 1153 🔗

I think she’s dead.

324974 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #908 of 1153 🔗

On the other hand, here’s a comment: not registered in nursing, no NPI number, check for yourself. All healthcare providers are mandated to have NPI number.

“Proof” she’s alive? Notice the hair is very different.

https://usdailyreport.com/2020/12/22/tiffany-dover-alive-hospital-releases-new-video-of-missing-nurse-who-fainted-after-taking-covid-19-vaccine-to-counter-death-hoax-and-creates-more-confusion_n_13324.html?fbclid=IwAR1TPe3F10Sy8ZbzqxrF_Z1Q-YyILdOCK5aKZfPK2Xf8ldJkDKNWbU_jvcY

325207 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Londo Mollari, #909 of 1153 🔗

I’ve ceased researching this, because the website that supposedly reported her as dead is just a public record of existence. I searched myself and family members, and we all had results. It’s public records, not death records exclusively. Of course… you have to pay money for the records, and I haven’t seen anyone willing to stump it up.

As for her dropping off the face of the planet…. wouldn’t you?? That’s way to much media pressure for someone not use to it. Her life will have been turned upside down. Not that I feel sympathy for her…. dumb bitch should have excluded herself if she’s a true Covidian if she really has these responses.

I think the whole thing is a psy-op to get normies to say, “hells no!” to the vax. Then they have to mandate it to get their sacred 90% uptake, because they actually want 100% uptake. Because it’s nothing to do with a vaccine and everything to do with a health passport and quantum dot.

PLUS…. it’s made everyone on the conspiracy “theory” side of things look really bad like piss-poor researchers.

Whether she’s dead or not isn’t the story here. That she was “selected” at all is the story.

324923 DanClarke, 13, #910 of 1153 🔗

regarding the ‘rules’ as someone said further down, just because you’ve got a telephone doesn’t mean you have to answer it.

324938 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 10, #911 of 1153 🔗

Watching NFL game. Just saw a new Ford ad. They promise to make all their iconic vehicles electric by 2035. Something about Change and Greenhouse Gases. Idiots! Who wants an electric Mustang?

324944 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bebophaircut, 5, #912 of 1153 🔗

With fake engine noise?

324943 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #913 of 1153 🔗

The contrast between today’s headline on LS and that on the BBC -“unprecedented infection rates” could not be greater.

I think many people are questioning not just the lockdown but the hysteria a itself. I’ve been out for a walk today and I can see plenty of evidence of people not taking any measures to socially distance.

Although I’d like to believe this is just a policy blunder, it seems to me that the powers-that-be are going out of their way to create a panic.

324947 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Londo Mollari, 29, #914 of 1153 🔗

That is 100% what they are doing.

If there was truly an emergency, the govt would be doing everything they could to reassure the population. Not making a huge effort to inflict terror.

324949 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to leggy, 7, #915 of 1153 🔗

I was thinking about this the other day. What would Churchill’s ‘We’ll fight them on the beaches etc’ speech be like on same basis as covid advice by government? ‘We’ll stay as far away from the beach as we can’

324966 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to dpj, 4, #916 of 1153 🔗

“this is not the end. it is not even the beginning of the end. and it isnt even the end of the f****** beginning . ” (as almost said after Battle of egypt 1942)

324968 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to mjr, #917 of 1153 🔗

Ain’t that the truth.

324973 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mjr, #918 of 1153 🔗

Or ” You’re not getting an end to this bit of political gravy”

324970 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 3, #919 of 1153 🔗

Good point. The reliable data confirms that it’s an attempt to confect a crisis.

324976 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Londo Mollari, 24, #920 of 1153 🔗

It’s on public record that the government were advised in March to scare people to increase compliance and that is what they did and continue to do

That has been one of the most reprehensible aspects of this whole business

324990 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Julian, 7, #921 of 1153 🔗

True. But it’s also a confession that if people weren’t continually terrorised, they’d look around them and realise that in the real world, there’s nothing to be terrified of. They are being kept in a (!) bubble. One day, the bubble will burst.

Reminds me of Arthur C. Clarke’s Childhood’s End , in which the people of Earth’s major cities are terrified into obedience by giant hovering alien spaceships poised to rain destruction upon them. In the end, it turns out that the ships never existed: they were just images.

325079 ▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to wayno, 2, #923 of 1153 🔗

Sorry it took me so long to find it even duck duck go won’t find it had to dig out the link

325017 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #924 of 1153 🔗

just watched the BBC news and they throw figures around being a serious situation but little specific- ie the hospital shown in the clip. A one point they interviewed someone from Imperial College NHS trust. Good, it means I can look up their figures-thanks to Carl Heneghan.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhstrust&areaName=Imperial%20College%20Healthcare%20NHS%20Trust
So currently 18 admitted daily and 169 in hospital.
Then you can go their website – they have 5 hospitals including Charing Cross, St Marys in Paddington and Hammersmith. Hardly cottage hospitals!

325020 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #925 of 1153 🔗

always makes me chuckle, Charing Cross hospital isn’t in Charing Cross and Hammersmith isn’t in Hammersmith.

325185 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #926 of 1153 🔗

..don’t even get me started on Leeds Castle…! 🙂

324946 Olya, replying to Olya, 5, #927 of 1153 🔗
  • Can anybody help me, please?
  • I know somebody posted an image of newspapers, with headlines from the past years (prior 2020) how the hospitals and NHS were overwhelmed, due to the “killer Flu” etc. Unfortunately, I can’t find it now. Thank you so much in advance.
324948 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Olya, 5, #928 of 1153 🔗

was today – this morning , so on this page somewhere

324954 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Olya, 10, #929 of 1153 🔗

This one?

324997 ▶▶▶ Olya, replying to Two-Six, 3, #930 of 1153 🔗

That’s the one! Thank you!

325010 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Two-Six, 1, #931 of 1153 🔗

👍

324955 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 32, #932 of 1153 🔗

My one wish for New Year is that more and more people come to realise the bloody obvious: that the astonishing events of the last 9 months HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY VIRUS!

324998 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to George Mc, 9, #933 of 1153 🔗

Interesting that Dr Evil, sorry Karl Schwab, and his sinister World Economic Forum seem to have quietly dropped the “Great Reset” brand – remembe the WEF video on the Great Reset telling people that in the future “you won’t own anything but you’ll be happy”. Even the slowest witted could work out that while WE might not own anything, Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Dorsey and all the other billionaires would still own things, just a lot more things.

The ideas have not gone away. They appear to have been repackaged as “the Davos Agenda”. The MSM will now memory-hole “the Great Reset” and accuse anyone who mentions it of being a conspiracy theorist.

325011 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to OKUK, 5, #934 of 1153 🔗

Interesting… has build back better gone as well?

325051 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #935 of 1153 🔗

Well Biden, Johnson, Merkel and others were using it weren’t they and now it’s gone. First you see it then you don’t.

325019 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to OKUK, 2, #936 of 1153 🔗

Still on their website … https://www.weforum.org/great-reset

Where did you see it repackaged?

Thanks 🙂

325048 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #937 of 1153 🔗

Press Release 7 December.

324959 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #938 of 1153 🔗

Great stuff from Maajid Nawaz. Should be circulated more widely:

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1343506871257346049

325007 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #939 of 1153 🔗

Philip Thomas from Uni Bristol is worth checking out re GDP loss and deaths incurred

325072 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to crimsonpirate, #940 of 1153 🔗

Reference?

325162 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to RickH, #941 of 1153 🔗

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/toby-young-coronavirus-covid-19-4013873
this is interesting as it is from very early on when Philip Thomas-who Maajid referenced- claimed a loss more than 6.4% in GDP would cause deaths.
Now it appears he has fleshed out those figures.

325009 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #942 of 1153 🔗

Unfortunately the replies on Twitter are less than favourable. The government propaganda machine is alive and kicking and brainwashing the sheeple.

325014 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Liz F, 2, #943 of 1153 🔗

The government propaganda machine seems relatively small, same sort of comments everywhere, but a lot of them

325054 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to DanClarke, 7, #944 of 1153 🔗

77th Brigade have a licence to shill.

325060 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liz F, 2, #945 of 1153 🔗

The arguments amount to can kicking of deaths. These people would rather save a life now at the cost of 10 later, for they might still have a magical intervention given time. However the Bristol reports are solid. Lockdowns come with obscene consequences.

325135 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #946 of 1153 🔗

The comments are full of bedwetting though. I’m not on twitter so I’m glad I can’t reply to the morons. I came off face book for the same reason. I can’t deal with the stupidity

325142 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wayno, #947 of 1153 🔗

That’s why I didn’t bother with the comments and just watched the video. I’m barely on Arsebook now too.

324963 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #948 of 1153 🔗

Does anyone have any links to info about the safety of the Astra Zeneca vaccine please? As it’s the holidays and I’m at a loose end I thought I would do a bit of research before deciding whether or not to take it when offered, it would also help me give an informed opinion to any family or friends who ask, but all I can find is MSM reports. I’ve made up my mind that I won’t be touching the Pfizer one with a barge pole as I don’t think it’s been properly tested but apparently the Astra Zeneca one has been created using more tried and tested methods. Thanks.

324979 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #949 of 1153 🔗

Wikipedia is not bad. An overview here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_programme_in_the_United_Kingdom

Then follow the links for more detailed info about each vaccine.

325027 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tenchy, 2, #950 of 1153 🔗

Thanks.

325039 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Tenchy, 6, #951 of 1153 🔗

I followed some of the links on the Oxford vaccine but was far from being reassured. The testing appears not to have followed the previously agreed protocol and the neurological problems that arose during the tests were said to be not related to the vaccine- but no further information appears to be available that could reassure a reasonably well educated reader.
I hope that my reservations are groundless , but the whole testing programme seems inadequate for something that will be urged , possibly forced, on an entire nation.

325068 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mikewaite, 4, #952 of 1153 🔗

The key question is : “Why should previous safety protocols suddenly become null and void? Particularly when massive vested interests are involved?”

324986 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 13, #953 of 1153 🔗

2020 has seen an increase of 50 billionaires across the world, 27 of whom are Chinese. ALL of these billionaires have been created directly or indirectly through the promotion of a non existent virus. Anyone who believes this sh*t about virus, face masks, social distancing, and the rest of the rubbish needs an injection all right but believe me it isn’t a concoction of vaccine to add already to their diabolical profits. No, it’s an injection of common sense! ANY Covid vaccine is a danger to your health, don’t be fooled by the soft soap that Astra Zeneca is safer—it isn’t!

325006 ▶▶ DRW, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #954 of 1153 🔗

I still wouldn’t take it, the AZ one was stopped twice over adverse reactions and long term efffects are still completely unknown.

325070 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DRW, #955 of 1153 🔗

… by definition. Which is hte reason for the normal timescale.

325122 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #956 of 1153 🔗

At our Vaccine Choice Canada meeting we had a guest speaker who talked about the Pfizer and Astra Zeneca vaccines and he believes the latter is the vaccine from hell. I’ve attached the link to his presentation, though it’s quite technical. For starters, the Astra Zeneca vaccine wasn’t tested against an inert placebo, but rather it was tested against the meningitis vaccine so as to mask possible ill effects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmKk2euy8lE

325136 ▶▶ Dianne, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #957 of 1153 🔗

If you watch the video on brandnewtube that Harry has put the link to above you won’t touch any vaccine with a barge pole. The Irish health minister basically admitting that covid virus has never been isolated, in which case, how the hell can a vaccine be produced?.

325182 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Dianne, 1, #958 of 1153 🔗

Some Scientists have debated whether an effective vaccine is even possible, given the virus [likely] was linked to laboratory engineering:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/renowned-european-scientist-covid-19-was-engineered-in-china-lab-effective-vaccine-unlikely

324964 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #959 of 1153 🔗
324982 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #960 of 1153 🔗

Good one from that lady!

325049 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #961 of 1153 🔗

Powerful report!

324978 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #962 of 1153 🔗

Published by the BMJ 5 days ago, to accompany another referenced earlier regarding accuracy of the PCR test.

It seems we have a dilema of neither test being reliable. Interesting to note the cost of £15 per test kit for the lateral flow kits they used for the mass testing. Vast sums being handed over to who I wonder?

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4941

325056 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #963 of 1153 🔗

Absolutely huge hole in a discussion like that given the studies now clearly showing asymptomatic spread is extremely rare, plus the fact they are using PCR as the Gold Standard. So Deeks at the UoB was shocked to find the low prevelance among students when the test positivity in the city was much higher (using PCR of course).

The fundamentals are shot. They are discussing dinner plans while the iceberg has tore a hole in the side of the titanic

325069 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #964 of 1153 🔗

Funny how this one got buried?

The new technique, developed by biomedical scientist Professor Ray Iles within a University of Cambridge Laboratory, could cost a lab as little as £2.43 per sample – and could be rolled out globally.
And the gargle test, which has already been shown to the UK government, is also capable of demonstrating whether the subject has Covid-19, influenza, or a common cold.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/game-changer-covid-19-test-22812398

Here’s his research:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.22.20176669v1.full.pdf

324984 Morse, replying to Morse, 9, #965 of 1153 🔗

New Ryanair advert, FFS. Jab & Go!

325013 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Morse, 12, #966 of 1153 🔗

Response to new advert:

‘Sod off.’

325024 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Morse, 10, #967 of 1153 🔗

Should one assume that all the Ryanair aircrew and cabin staff will also be vaccinated?
Even the younger women for whom there is rumoured to be a risk to fertility ? (Rumoured because those pushing the vaccine have never done the appropriate tests, presumably on animals, rather than on humans, as they are currently doing by default)
If the crew are not vaccinated you have the anomalous situation, if the objective is to reduce the risk of transmission, where passengers cannot set foot on board unless vaccinated, but the crew and cabin staff, who are on board for many hours every day are not.
Of course it is again rumoured that the vaccine does not reduce the risk of transmission at all , but masks the symptoms in those that might pass on the infection.
Again only rumoured because I do not think the appropriate test have been carried out . (If I am wrong say so).
This shambolic caricature of medical research and public health policy is what is known by the BBC, the national media and the clowns clustered around Boris as “following the science”.

325058 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to mikewaite, 10, #968 of 1153 🔗

Not rumoured. The vaccine manufacturers themselves have stated in public they cannot vouch for there being no effects on fertility because that has not been tested for. They enjoy legal indemnity against claims for such damage.

325175 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to mikewaite, #969 of 1153 🔗

“Of course it is again rumoured that the vaccine does not reduce the risk of transmission at all” no rumour – Pfizer have been very careful, not to claim that it will reduce transmission of the virus. The briefing paper that they produced says, it ‘may be able to’ help control the pandemic. That’s it.

WHO have now said quite plainly: “no evidence” vaccine could prevent onward transmission:
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/who-chief-scientist-warns-no-evidence-covid-vaccine-prevents-viral-transmission

325029 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Morse, 3, #970 of 1153 🔗

Cynical. He is an affirmed sceptic.

325059 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Morse, 2, #971 of 1153 🔗

aka I’ll go Jet2 then. (Hopefully) Would’ve thought O’Leary would be more clued up than that.

325082 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Morse, 6, #972 of 1153 🔗

The airlines can afford to be fussy about which passengers they allow as they are doing so well….LOL!

Fuck ’em!

325133 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Morse, 2, #973 of 1153 🔗

Ryanair are crap anyway and have not used them for years.

Another one that deserves to go bust.

324996 wayno, replying to wayno, 17, #974 of 1153 🔗

Here’s jonny

325001 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to wayno, 4, #975 of 1153 🔗

Lol!

325012 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to wayno, 3, #976 of 1153 🔗

Marvellous!

324999 PatrickF, 17, #977 of 1153 🔗

I would like to congratulate the Government. Your lies have been spectacular.

325002 common conservative, 5, #978 of 1153 🔗

Fascinating and insightful discussion on Vitamin D and Covid with Ivor Cummins, Dr David Grimes, Dr David Anderson and Chris Williams:

https://youtu.be/BD_96ybTMNE

325003 FenTyger, 5, #979 of 1153 🔗

THE THIRD WAVE
Another one from the ever reliable Paul Nuki in the Telegraph (No comments allowed!)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/ministers-must-ramp-covid-vaccination-2m-week-face-devastating/

325015 Banjones, 7, #980 of 1153 🔗

”… which some MPs have already branded extreme”
But not my MP, though, who fawningly told Madge Hancock that she admired his ”energy” in preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed. Yes, really.

325021 Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, 6, #981 of 1153 🔗

You now can’t get into Costco without a face covering even with an Exemption card they will not let you in

325022 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, #982 of 1153 🔗

Received from a friend. Advice?

325023 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Maccynic, #983 of 1153 🔗

Where are you and where is the Costco you want to go to?

325028 ▶▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to dpj, 2, #984 of 1153 🔗

Straiton/ Edinburgh

325041 ▶▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Maccynic, 3, #985 of 1153 🔗

This is from official Scottish Government guidance:

Those exempt under the guidance and regulations do not have to prove their exemption and should not be made to wear a face covering or denied access to places where face coverings are required. We ask for people to be aware of the exemptions and to treat each other with kindness.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-public-use-of-face-coverings/

325033 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Maccynic, 7, #987 of 1153 🔗

Boycott the bastards.

325035 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Maccynic, 5, #988 of 1153 🔗

It’s not legal for them to discriminate. They are not allowed to ask for proof either. An exemption card is helpful, but not necessary, apparently.

325040 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to this is my username, #989 of 1153 🔗

Not necessary, actually.

325263 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Maccynic, #990 of 1153 🔗

As someone else has posted, somebody in a wheelchair (or with a significant lung or circulation problem) with no mask should attempt to enter. A friend/companion should be recording sound and video. Disability Act 2010.

There must be loads of compensation-interested folk around Edinburgh ? Kerching !

325030 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Maccynic, 4, #991 of 1153 🔗

It may be a case of disability discrimination but you’d need to test it in court.

325042 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NickR, 3, #992 of 1153 🔗

So people should vote with their wallets.

325170 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to NickR, 1, #993 of 1153 🔗

My guess is they have consulted with lawyers and have decided it is worth risking it because it will take a genuine disabled case (ie, not someone who simply self-certifies as exempt) to cause them any trouble. If they were Christians refusing to bake a wedding cake with a gay message on it, they’d get stamped on quick-smart.

325037 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Maccynic, 2, #994 of 1153 🔗

Then go somewhere else.

325047 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Maccynic, 3, #995 of 1153 🔗

Vote with your feet

325055 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Maccynic, 3, #996 of 1153 🔗

They’re breaking the law then.

325057 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), replying to Maccynic, 4, #997 of 1153 🔗

They sent an email last week to say that those exempt from masks will be permitted in with a visor. Boycott either way.

325111 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Maccynic, 3, #998 of 1153 🔗

Costco has been probably the worst offender here with respect to not allowing anyone in without a mask. Haven’t had a Costco membership for years and won’t ever give them my business again. Whereas people in the UK seem to have few issues getting into stores without a mask, almost all businesses here are not allowing mask exemptions and are getting away with it. The law is very clear and yet there is no recourse as they have just made up their own rules. There will be lawsuits, but who knows when they’ll be heard given how dysfunctional the court system is.

325129 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Maccynic, 3, #999 of 1153 🔗

Boycott. This is pure discrimination.

They would have been shitting themselves had they refused entry to a person in a wheelchair so why should someone exempt be any different?

325236 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Bart Simpson, #1000 of 1153 🔗

Ideally, somebody in a wheelchair – with no mask – should try it and see…….

325168 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Maccynic, 1, #1001 of 1153 🔗

If masks work so well, anyone from Costco have an explanation for this? :
https://www.yaktrinews.com/68-costco-employees-test-positive-for-covid-19-in-yakima/

325026 NickR, replying to NickR, 17, #1002 of 1153 🔗

Deaths since 5th Nov, start of last lockdown. It’s good to see why we’re bankrupting half the economy.

325032 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to NickR, 1, #1003 of 1153 🔗

It’s just the Christmas effect?

325045 ▶▶ dpj, replying to NickR, #1004 of 1153 🔗

Can you find up to date data that rubbishes this scaremongering article:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55462701

325061 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to dpj, 5, #1005 of 1153 🔗

The data has always been present since April – whether it be death data or data illustrating the inaccuracy of PCR testing.

It makes f. all difference to this narrative.

325107 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to dpj, 3, #1006 of 1153 🔗

You can’t prove or disprove this it’s an article of faith. If you believe in the accuracy of PCR & LFT tests then you’ll believe this if you don’t you won’t. The truth is that across the country there aren’t more people in hospital than normal, there aren’t more people in ICU beds. There is a shortage of staff because the protocols mean that staff keep getting sent home. Things like the NHS dashboard, below, show that this isn’t a pandemic. Euromomo shows there aren’t more people dying than usual, in fact in Wales & NI there are substantially fewer. The number of covid patients in hospital may go up but the overall total doesn’t move much just people being being classified as covid. When overall deaths go up like in the spring I’ll give it credence.
https://digital.nhs.uk/dashboards/nhs-pathways#dashboard

325031 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 16, #1007 of 1153 🔗

DM claiming that Tier 5 on the way. Hope the day is coming soon when they will be prosecuted for their disgraceful behaviour.

325036 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to DanClarke, 11, #1008 of 1153 🔗

Daily Mail or government or both.

325065 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Rowan, 9, #1009 of 1153 🔗

We hope both. I’m sure they are on the money with this, though. We always knew we would be punished for Christmas. Will they bother with more tiers though or is it back to only leave the house for exercise once a day and no school?

325121 ▶▶ Janette, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1010 of 1153 🔗

Where the hell is Tier 5 anyway?? They just want to make our lives as miserable as possible!

325038 cloud6, 4, #1011 of 1153 🔗

A man walked into a coffee shop and asked for a coffee.

What coffee would you like Sir?
Irish
English
Welsh
Scotish
Government

The man replied I will have a Government one of course.

325067 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1012 of 1153 🔗

A major cause of false positive Covid-19 test is contamination, as outlined in a new opinion piece in the journal ‘Clinical Chemistry’.

Good article here.

https://www.surrey.ac.uk/news/false-positive-covid-19-tests-may-be-result-contamination-laboratories

325074 ▶▶ RickH, replying to theanalyst, 6, #1013 of 1153 🔗

A major cause of false positive Covid-19 test is contamination”

It’s only part of the story. High Ct is also massively important.

325077 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to RickH, 5, #1014 of 1153 🔗

For sure. There will be many causes. In addition. I read some scientific paper in German this morning that said German scientists have observed something like a 6.7% false positive rate arises when a subject had a certain corona virus common cold. Does anyone have a link to that as I’ve lost it ? Dr Thomas Binder retweeted it I think.

325110 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1015 of 1153 🔗

It’s not a standardised process either. You search for a result depending on Ct then try and come up with a reason why that’s valid and comparable to other results at lower Ct. It’s not. Different noise thresholds.

PCR was always suppposed to be used qualitatively as it is used in the flu with Ct usually 25 to 30 max and normally used if someone has severe enough symptoms. So immediately you have a threshold for viral load and signal. Even then it simply is used as a means of narrowing the diagnosis, not being a definitive one. If this way of doing PCR was maintained there would be no mass testing idiocy and seeing shapes in the clouds.

325113 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1016 of 1153 🔗

Not to mention processing at 45 cycles!

325073 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #1017 of 1153 🔗

URGENT: please read tweet and Pre-print paper. Mathematical modelling to justify harsh lockdown for 2021. Includes closure of ALL education settings. Please tell all and share with Us For Them. Thanks 🙂
https://mobile.twitter.com/ArisKatzourakis/status/1342831212637937665

325075 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Country Mumkin, 13, #1018 of 1153 🔗

We project that large resurgences of the virus are likely to occur following easing of control measures. It may be necessary to greatly accelerate vaccine roll-out to have an appreciable impact in suppressing the resulting disease burden.

In other words, total lockdown far stricter than anything we had in 2020 combined with mandatory vaccinations in perpetuity. Get me out of here.

325084 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Richard O, 9, #1019 of 1153 🔗

But will people obey? Or will Imperial College begin to advocate mass internment and executions of dissenters?

325086 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1020 of 1153 🔗

I’m sure this scenario has already been war-gamed. There is only so much that can be accomplished with the “soft” psychological totalitarianism we have been subjected to for the last 9 months.

325095 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Richard O, 8, #1021 of 1153 🔗

Well, maybe it is better to die on our feet than live on our knees. Easier said than done, I know.

325193 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Londo Mollari, #1022 of 1153 🔗

There’s a link to code in the full Pre-print available via GitHub. I wonder if the guy on here that looked at the Fergusson code might have a look at it…

325116 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #1023 of 1153 🔗

What they don’t do is have a control group? I would be perfectly happy to be the control group where I don’t do any measures.

If some idiot then asks me to sign some waiver that I won’t be treated for Covid-19 I’ll sign that after I sign the one where I get to not pay tax for 5 years.

325080 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 18, #1024 of 1153 🔗

Populist government now!

The only way out of this hellhole is by electing a populist government. By definition populism is opposed to Globalism. It is also non-dogmatic being free of commitment to either Marxism or capitalistic ideology. What is good for the people, what works for them is what the government will pursue. Lockdowns, mandatory masks, school closures, an underperforming health service, mass immigration, the BLM agenda, suppression of free speech and PC indoctrination are not good for the people.

325090 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to OKUK, 2, #1025 of 1153 🔗

Jeremy Bentham would have agreed wholeheartedly, and so do I.

325104 ▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 1, #1026 of 1153 🔗

Don’t be naive. This whole shit-show is populist government : propaganda-driven kidology.cloaked in ‘public interest’ and ‘common sense’ instead of intelligence.

325147 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 3, #1027 of 1153 🔗

Well Humpty Dumpty thought words could mean whatever he chose them to mean, so I suppose there’s nothing to stop you following the same approach in life.

325159 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 1, #1028 of 1153 🔗

Really a “populist “ government in thrall to big businesses and billionaires pursuing the ruin of millions of people.

325212 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1029 of 1153 🔗

Don’t know what you are on about! Populist governments are not in thrall to billionaires and big business. If they are, then they are not populist.

325217 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, #1030 of 1153 🔗

We need a Gracchist movement.

325242 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, #1031 of 1153 🔗

Exactly.Rick H is claiming we have a populist government now.My point is we haven’t.Read the post as a reply.I agree with you.

325244 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1032 of 1153 🔗

Apologies! Thought you were responding to me.

325261 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, #1033 of 1153 🔗

<<Bangs heads together>>

325128 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 7, #1034 of 1153 🔗

It could come quicker than you think. There is undoubtedly a core of MPs in Conservative ranks (to be found in the sceptic-friendly Covid Research Group) who are much closer to a populist view of the world than a globalist-capitalist-XRgreen-PC view (as espoused by mainstream Conservativism now). As the political-economic-social crisis gathers in 2021, there is every chance 40 or more Conservative MPs could abandon their party and join in a new political movement. We saw that with the SDP, which with the Liberals in the Alliance was scoring over 50% in the polls. It was the Falklands War that sunk the Alliance, not domestic politics.

325137 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to OKUK, 2, #1035 of 1153 🔗

Thank you – every little bit of hope counts in these dark days.

325150 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 1, #1036 of 1153 🔗

These two are lovin’ the lockdown and now gloating at the full hospitals….
https://twitter.com/Laura__Farris

325214 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, #1037 of 1153 🔗

Bleeders not leaders.

325081 Al T, 18, #1038 of 1153 🔗

Keep reading in the press that the NHS is on the cusp of being overwhelmed.

Once it has been, the job’s buggered, so can we stop pretending to protect it and go to the pub again?

325085 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #1039 of 1153 🔗

The comments under the Mail article on Tier 5 are encouraging. People won’t go along with it.

325097 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1040 of 1153 🔗

Let’s hope not

325099 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1041 of 1153 🔗

Tier 5 how does that differ from 4.

325102 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #1042 of 1153 🔗

Presumably schools will be closed, maybe churches as well… What else is there left to close?

325123 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Alice, 11, #1043 of 1153 🔗

Most of the rooms in your house. You’ll have to live in the kitchen or under the stairs. On the subject of not going along with this, RT reported 16 assaults on Sussex police officers on Christmas day alone. Maybe they were being too zealous.

325130 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1044 of 1153 🔗

I don’t have stairs – I think I’m just going to stay in bed!

325259 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Londo Mollari, #1045 of 1153 🔗

12 were in W Sussex, and 4 in B&H. E Sussex folk all get gold stars !

325151 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Alice, 2, #1046 of 1153 🔗

Tier 4 is lockdown by another name.Just curious as to what fresh nonsense they will dream up.

325165 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Alice, 4, #1047 of 1153 🔗

The only other things they can do are to ban any movement outside the home except for food shopping (only with official papers, like they did in France and Spain), and demand mask wearing outdoors. I think they will struggle to do this – it was easier on the continent because they have a more widespread, feared and armed police.

325189 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1048 of 1153 🔗

They can go full fat continental fascist, but there are too many of us who are resigned to being sent to the lager rather than comply for that to be viable. The small proportion, but large absolute number, of non-maskos is a metric. I am almost looking forward to meeting some of you guys. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think we’ll be meeting in the concentration camp in April 2021. I think that’s a step too far for the regime.

Ferguson and the rest want to, but one way or another they’re going to get ‘cock blocked,’ as the crude expression has it.

325120 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1049 of 1153 🔗

Same, except Johnson jabs his thumb at us a bit more often.

325131 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to richmond, 1, #1050 of 1153 🔗

That’s nothing to worry about, then. I don’t watch BBC.

325154 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to richmond, 1, #1051 of 1153 🔗

In his best Churchill impression in the style of Jim hacker

325089 wayno, replying to wayno, 5, #1052 of 1153 🔗

As some one mentioned earlier u thought I’d repost this just for the latecomers to the shit show. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22-march-2020

325258 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to wayno, #1053 of 1153 🔗

The names of those comprising the SPI-B group are a matter of public record, yes ?

325092 Basics, replying to Basics, 23, #1054 of 1153 🔗

Kirstie Allsopp brings up a good point on twitter that has caused quite a thread.

The hypocrisy of coke users who are covid mask wearing virtue signallers.

Cocaine production and trafficking causes destruction to countless lives before it reaches the nose of, say, the civil servant, the politician, the bbc worker, the social worker.

Allsopp is being praised for bringing the subject up given she’s clearly a part of the media landscape. A comment in the thread that appealled to me calling for names to be named.

Anyone one who routinely uses coke and yet is full of virtuous fear signalling for the covid deserves an outing.

325096 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basics, 3, #1055 of 1153 🔗

Abso-fucking-lutely

325100 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 13, #1056 of 1153 🔗

In the end, mask wearing doesn’t signal ‘virtue’ – it signals knicker-wetting self-absorption – even if it is induced. The Granny Preservation Society is just a cover, and the rest is just arse-covering compliance.

325201 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to RickH, 5, #1057 of 1153 🔗

Indeed. They intend to signal, “I’m virtuous” but it gets received as, “I’m a cunt.”

325257 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, #1058 of 1153 🔗

Production and trafficking no more cause the destruction of lives than say, coffee, or tea. It’s the illegality/prohibition that causes the problems.

(Thought we’d sorted this one back in the 70s …).

325094 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1059 of 1153 🔗

If you need a reminder why we need to continue the fight, here is a good recap of the lies being pushed on the population globally

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241062

325155 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1060 of 1153 🔗

Great piece from Karl Denninger.

325098 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1061 of 1153 🔗

Something that’s been puzzling me.
On the Government covid dashboard, it logs patients on ventilators. I understood that ventilators are a no-no for covid patients. Have I misunderstood?

325101 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1062 of 1153 🔗

Most of those intubated will likely have other conditions.

325106 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #1063 of 1153 🔗

Thanks. I’d assumed that – but why include them in the covid stats?

325112 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1064 of 1153 🔗

Covid patients don’t necessarily present with covid symptoms. Over 80% of all covid hospital admissions were already inpatients when ‘diagnosed’. These people are usually not in hospital with covid.

325134 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1065 of 1153 🔗

To scare. German media do the same.

325153 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1066 of 1153 🔗

Same reason why in the US one area in Colorado had 40% ‘covid’ deaths actually turned out to be gunshot victims… same reason why George Floyd was listed in the covid stats.

325115 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #1067 of 1153 🔗

Agreed. It is rarely if ever seen without pre-existing medical conditions which predispose to it. If the respiratory dysfunction is mechanical, i.e. the act of breathing in/out is impaired, then intubation may be useful (despite the dangers). However, Covid19 disease principally affects oxygen exchange, in which case oxygen by nasal canula etc. is sufficient. That’s if you’ve neglected to treat with HCQ or Ivermectin in the first place. The object of the exercise in this case is presumably to keep the numbers up and keep us on the run. We scare because we care.. like f*ck.

325109 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1068 of 1153 🔗

Yeah, it’s now known to be a last resort. I’ve read some shocking reasons why they used them so excessively in March and April. When they knew they were already ineffective in Wuhan they continued to use them to reduce the need for health workers to be close to them for extended periods. Reduce infection risk was one. Totally unconfirmed, just speculation

325158 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1069 of 1153 🔗

In the US, several (inc. Dr Mikovits) have said that hospital authorities received financial incentives, certainly early on, for a period of time, for the number of people that they stuck on ventilators; despite the fact it was unlikely to be the best treatment, for the vast majority with covid.

325103 BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1070 of 1153 🔗

A good example of peaceful resistance USA
https://www.bitchute.com/video/5CYpAbKyo9ZY/

325105 Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), 9, #1071 of 1153 🔗

Does anyone know a sceptic that has been more than mildly ill during all this? I certainly don’t.

P.s Scottish prof pushing for masks outdoors as well as indoors.

325108 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), 6, #1072 of 1153 🔗

Not even mildly, no

325114 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), 3, #1073 of 1153 🔗

Not personally but Gordo from Those Conspiracy Guys podcast got pretty ill after diagnosis of Covid, or positive PCR to be exact. He’d just finished a podcast chat with the Higherside Chat podcast guy where they openly discussed their scepticism. Worth a listen as he introduces it discussing his illness

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/greg-carlwood-the-higherside-chats/id917288490

325118 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), 2, #1074 of 1153 🔗

I had mild something or other at the beginning of March.

325119 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), 5, #1075 of 1153 🔗

The main point is not the dubious validity of any single personal observation – but the complete dissociation between a range of observations and the advertising of a major infectious incident. The narrative just doesn’t compute – and then you do the data, and underpin the general observation.

325124 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), 1, #1076 of 1153 🔗

No

325127 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), 8, #1077 of 1153 🔗

I stubbed my toe on the bathroom door in April. I didn’t get a test though so I won’t be in the stats.

325132 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), 4, #1078 of 1153 🔗

I do know about 4 people who reckon they had severe flu or Covid back at the beginning of the year and about the same again anecdotally since. Covid19, though, has the luxury of being hard to spot among other respiratory infections and the undivided attention of an adoring public. All a bit unfair really, and the numbers are ultimately rather academic.

325152 ▶▶ Hughie, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), 2, #1079 of 1153 🔗

This is surely one of the top lines to take with believers.

Even my parents, who have been totally taken in by the BBC and other MSM on this, can only think of one person, who is a friend of a friend, who has died (almost certainly old and infirm).

I don’t know anyone, not even a friend of a friend of a friend.

My parents-in-law only know of a friend of a friend, who, again, was almost certainly old and ill anyway).

None of my friends know anyone, as far as I can work out. One of them had an elderly aunt who died, but she’s Turkish and she died in her homeland.

If enough people start having this conversation openly, it will surely do enormous damage to the government line.

The parents’ generation (65-75) are so entrenched it’s just embarrassing, but they do acknowledge those sorts of things and from tiny acorns etc…

325160 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), 4, #1080 of 1153 🔗

My dad was hospitalised a couple of weeks ago. He tested positive for covid and was also diagnosed with a clot on his lung. Whether or not the clot was caused by covid or was there already is anyone’s guess though. He’s back at home now and slowly on the mend.

325176 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #1081 of 1153 🔗

All the best to your dad.

325191 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Ovis, 1, #1082 of 1153 🔗

Thanks Ovis. 😊

325161 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), 1, #1083 of 1153 🔗

I have three relations who have tested positive; two self isolating at home, the other one in hospital (aged late 80s) with various other medical problems. The other half’s mother also tested positive but no symptoms after a week.

Man flu in April, three weeks into lockdown 1. A couple of days in bed. Pain killers and lucozade. Children jumping on me occasionally. Rose on the third day because my sister told me I stank and needed a wash along with my disgusting bedlinen. Possibly not the Rona at all, but if that wasn’t it then I must be immune given the exposure I must have had from January.

325187 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), 2, #1085 of 1153 🔗

My wife and I had a reasonably bad lurgy back in December 2019, it was enough for me to call in sick for a couple of days, but nothing more. Many colleagues had the same. We were both working at Heathrow Airport at the time.

Other than that, I’ve had a sore throat once this year. I don’t do any isolation or social distancing, worked in a crowded non-socially distanced and mask free warehouse for 8 months of this year.

325197 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), #1086 of 1153 🔗

My leaning lady’s uncle died of it in spring in his 60’s. She is fairly septical. a friend’s sister in law was pretty ill but recovered. A church friend’s aunt has it, no idea how ill she is.

325126 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 13, #1087 of 1153 🔗

My Gran used to have a little corner grocery shop. It served the community well. My Grandad used to do home deliveries in a small van. I’m going back 40 years. Home delivery is an very old idea and community caring idea. Many were once a week customers, a bit like we have today.

The biggest two threats/ stresses my Grandparents had in relation to their small grocery business were emerging Supermarkets, and emerging shops in Garages.

These threats were enabled by market forces and, most importantly, changes to national and local government planning rules. The changes, especially to national and local government rules, led to investment and competition that transformed the competitive landscape and therefore my Gran’s grocery shop transformed from a profitable business into a slightly loss making lifestyle business.

Something akin to this change is happening today.

Big Business is investing collectively and massively into what used to be a free and informative Mass Media. Mass Media is no longer neutral but is acting as as advertising arm. The new markets Big Business are successfully developing are On Line shopping and Pharmaceuticals.

The Western governments are facilitating this (possibly unwittingly, but I’m not sure at all) b y making drastic changes to rules as evidenced by on/off business closures, inhuman masks, and social distancing. Weird stuff…and similar to changes to planning rules 30-40 years ago. I think.

325141 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1088 of 1153 🔗

The government knows exactly what’s up. They allowed a KGB guy and his son to acquire – with money from God knows where – an influential paper (the Lonion Evening Standard) which is now edited by one George Osborne.

325144 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to OKUK, 1, #1089 of 1153 🔗

aka George Nobsore

325148 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1090 of 1153 🔗

Nose sore as well.

325157 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to OKUK, #1091 of 1153 🔗

Ah yes, the Bolivian remedy.. Robsone is another useful anagram for (a Chancellor) the little shit.

325171 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, #1092 of 1153 🔗

Cocaine in my brian-Cocaine Dillinger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xVp1mauGnU

325163 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to theanalyst, #1093 of 1153 🔗
325138 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 7, #1094 of 1153 🔗

Comments on the DM article seem 80% anti-lockdown. The gulf between the sides is astonishing though. The pro-lockdowners are utterly convinced and it’s hard to see any common ground.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9093133/Britain-records-41-385-Covid-cases-357-deaths-second-wave-continues-grow.html#comments-9093133

325140 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to TimeIsNow, 5, #1095 of 1153 🔗

Divide and rule on steroids. These two groups cannot co-exist in the same society.

325220 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Richard O, 1, #1096 of 1153 🔗

Yes, this is how civil wars get started.

325253 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #1097 of 1153 🔗

Yeah, but one side in a civil war whose watchwords are fear, stay home, and obey the rules, is doomed. 🙂

325181 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to TimeIsNow, 2, #1098 of 1153 🔗

Having touted a comparison in the banner headline and then gone on to expand on that theme, they bury this halfway down:

But it is impossible to compare infection figures in the second wave against the first because of a lack of testing in the spring.”

Calling into question whether the article has any serious meaning whatsoever; even the cringe-making ‘Top scientists’ gets an airing. Obviously aimed at the hard of thinking and those who like butter on both sides with fear round the middle.

325139 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1099 of 1153 🔗

Segregation is here. Ryan Air have launched a new tagline.

Jab & Go.

No jab no go.

325143 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 5, #1100 of 1153 🔗

So predictable it’s becoming tedious. But even this will not be enough. To achieve the 90%+ vaccine uptake which is the wet dream of the technocrats, physical and legislative coercion will be required.

325196 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Richard O, 2, #1101 of 1153 🔗

Yes, I suspect that was why the Tiffany Dover psy-op happened. To get enough people to refuse so as to make it mandatory to catch the original dissenters in their net.

325202 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to TyLean, 4, #1102 of 1153 🔗

I also think the Pfizer vaccine is a dead duck, and will be pulled when the AstraZeneca shot gets going next week.

325146 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Basics, 29, #1103 of 1153 🔗

They are getting an absolute pasting for it on social media though. The last time I looked there were over 100 comments on their Instagram and pretty much all of them were saying that people would boycott them if vaccination was a condition of travel. I was actually pleasantly surprised to see so many against it, maybe the zombies are finally waking up.

325166 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 11, #1104 of 1153 🔗

I do think that companies and businesses who advertise on a ‘free choice’ basis will be very popular and will clean up; more people are fed up with this than we realise and this will be reflected in where they spend their money in the future.

325199 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #1105 of 1153 🔗

Lifted this from twitter
“The WHO actually killed the legal argument for forced vaccines. If the vaccine has no impact on transmission, then the sole legal basis to mandate vaccines — protecting others from transmission — is gone.”

Ryan Air feel they have a right to coercing a person into introducing improperly tested cocktails of unlicensed medical trials into their body. Ryan Air’s motive to do this must reduce down to profit for stakeholders, is there any other possible motive?

325145 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 15, #1106 of 1153 🔗

‘BBC’s Alarmist Report on Fake News Contains Fake News’

In my experience, anyone who drones on about ‘fake news’ and how to spot it is in fact dishing out fake news.

325149 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to George Mc, 8, #1107 of 1153 🔗

They’ve discovered hiding in plain sight and are completely convinced we can’t see ’em; that’s the level of intelligence that we’re dealing with.

325156 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1108 of 1153 🔗

Spain is planning to create a register of vaccine refusers. https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/spain-plans-registry-those-who-refuse-covid-vaccine

325169 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Londo Mollari, 15, #1109 of 1153 🔗

What will be done is a registry, which will be shared with our European partners… of those people who have been offered it and have simply rejected it. It is not a document which will be made public and it will be done with the utmost respect for data protection.

Laughable beyond belief. How does “sharing a registry with our European partners” constitute the “utmost respect for data protection”?

325173 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Richard O, 14, #1110 of 1153 🔗

Don’t answer the phone to unfamiliar numbers, burn the letters. Don’t refuse; just don’t respond.

Obviously, hard if you have to go to the doctor because you are actually ill (that still happens, allegedly), and the nurse runs at you with a needle.

325208 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ovis, 4, #1111 of 1153 🔗

Yes. It’s like at work, never sign up to the “new terms and conditions” that you never agreed to yourself.

325177 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #1112 of 1153 🔗

Apparently your privacy is guaranteed, that’s reassuring.

What is this insistence on everyone getting vaccinated? They keep banging on about asymptomatic spread so many people should therefore be immune.

Also, why insist that you still require a vaccine even if you have had the virus? And, I don’t need to remind anyone here the survival rate even for the more elderly population.

No wonder some of us are starting to question the coercion apparent via the Government and MSM to comply.

325192 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Laura Suckling, 6, #1113 of 1153 🔗

Starting to question?its been obvious for a long time that the goal is vaccination followed by digital passport.This is the reason for the current coercion.Keep the pressure on so we will be begging to be let out.Hancock said this last week lockdown until Vaccine rollout

325195 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Laura Suckling, 6, #1114 of 1153 🔗

C-O-N-T-R-O-L

What do they want control?

Everything.

Literally…. Fucking….. Everything.

325206 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Laura Suckling, 5, #1115 of 1153 🔗

Maybe because it really is a depopulation event.

325235 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1116 of 1153 🔗

Should have added the french public transport to this thread. In order to keep the great unvaccinated trial participants from french public transport a register will clearly be needed and infrastructure with bouncers and or automatic closing doors to keep things nicely segregated.

325172 BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1117 of 1153 🔗

https://mobile.twitter.com/HowardSteen4/status/1343406437255491585

Deep dive on PCR, Dorsten retraction request and other related issues. Kevin Mckernan presentation

325183 LockdownTruth, #1118 of 1153 🔗

Hi all

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Please let us know if you’re interested at: mail […at…] covid19assembly.org

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325237 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Sarigan (Day 281 of lockdown), 1, #1120 of 1153 🔗

I find the Conclusion very strange. One of the most interesting parts is of course the statistically invisible infection rate of asymptomatic people in households, but instead the author concludes with:
“The findings of this study suggest that households are and will continue to be important venues for transmission, even where community transmission is reduced. Prevention strategies, such as increased mask-wearing at home, improved ventilation, voluntary isolation at external facilities, and targeted antiviral prophylaxis, should be further explored.”

What?!?!

325240 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to BJJ, 3, #1121 of 1153 🔗

The authors will have had to insert that final clause in order to get the study published. Upside down world we live in.

325200 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 20, #1122 of 1153 🔗

My law-breaking daughter and her boyfriend are here (we’re in full lockdown) and he just found out the roommate of a good friend of his was found dead in their apartment by his friend. He had addiction issues but had gone through rehab and was doing well. He was all alone over the holidays, which undoubtedly contributed to his relapse and overdose. He was 28 and now his friend has to live with finding him dead in their apartment. I know this is one of many such stories, but I’m sitting here so angry that these young people’s deaths don’t seem to matter. The young are not supposed to protect their parents and grandparents — it’s supposed to be the other way around. Whether it’s life years lost or evolutionary theory that dictates that parents protect their children, it’s simply wrong that the young and healthy are being sacrificed in such a callous way. I don’t care to mortgage my children’s futures to protect me, but I would happily take on risk to get back to real normal for their sake.

325210 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1123 of 1153 🔗

This is terrible. A mate of mine did this. He was on heroine but he managed to get of it. Then he went back and the first does was particularly pure and he wasn’t used to such high doses. He overdosed. He was probably in his early 40’s. Also another guy I know he OD’ed about 5 years ago in the toilet of a train as he was coming back from scoring. He was probably early 40’s too.

Both of them were great guys. Sadly missed.

325213 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1124 of 1153 🔗

The irony will be some will say these people must have had pre-existing issues conveniently forgetting that the majority of covid deaths also have pre-existing issues.

325203 Two-Six, 9, #1125 of 1153 🔗

I feel Fine

325211 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1126 of 1153 🔗

I’m seeing a lot of “experts” on social media using terms such as “frightening” and “scary” in what looks like an effort to ramp up the fear factor.

Personally I think people who show fear when there is little or no danger to themselves are not particularly rational.

325219 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #1127 of 1153 🔗

Every single person who has contributed to this bullshit – including all those who have complied without questioning anything – deserves to burn in hell for eternity. If 2021 follows the trajectory I expect, the remainder of their pitiful lives here will be hell.

325218 Basics, 4, #1128 of 1153 🔗

Propagandising the global population.

The disaster films over the years have essentially taught the global population how to behave in times of crisis and what the various roles of media, government and regular people will be (they even teach us those divisions). China Syndrome from the 70s is an example, but the ideas of freethinking, fighting for morally right ideals of those early disaster movies changed for a much more prescriptive coalescence to an authoritive agenda in later years. Movies over the past 20 years have left me mostly unimpressed to say the least.

The film Deep Impact from around 2000 is a regurgitation of the old asteroid on a collision course with earth story. The societal behaviours shown in the movie are present today under these plandemic conditions. Simple to imagine covid in place of the space rock.

In the film it is announced no one over 50 will be selected for government protection via millitary underground base – comparison to covid might be DNRs placed on over 45s in NHS hospitals. The movie has arrangements made to freeze wages and inflation to stop economic disaster. Scientific models are grasped at by a government that clearly has no idea, the scientists are glossed over. Much of the film centres on tedious waiting doing nothing but listening to the media and the president.
Each of these examples could come from a creative writer projecting into the imagined senario. However, the behaviour of the public to each of these things is shown as complete unquestioning acceptance. Sit tight and pray, question nothing. This is the ‘right’ behaviour the movie teaches us.

The movie also shows clearly that a morally grounded media have got the backs of the people. Reassuring to have them working to inform.

Movies propagandise people as we all know. The behavioural programming is subtle and often in the unnoticed rhythms of the plots.

People perhaps paid £10 or so to watch Deep Impact when it was in cinemas.

325221 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1129 of 1153 🔗

Just look at the state of the UK today and feel sick.

Is a repeat of 1976 just around the corner? – Sex Pistols – Anarchy in the UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na7A3-UCCYE

325222 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1130 of 1153 🔗

I see a potential depopulation scenario here if the majority of these 22 million take the AstraZeneca vaccine and are then exposed to a wild coronavirus that triggers the ADE response.

325223 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Richard O, 1, #1131 of 1153 🔗

We are destined to wait and see – and hope that none of our family and friends are included.

325227 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Richard O, 3, #1132 of 1153 🔗

The “wild” virus will only be released when the requisite number have been vaccinated.

325233 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Rowan, 3, #1133 of 1153 🔗

Indeed, and it could be a virus that would ordinarily be no more serious than the common cold. So the unvaccinated will be perfectly safe.

325228 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1134 of 1153 🔗

Nothing I would like better than to wake up tomorrow and find myself in 1976.

325231 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to rockoman, #1135 of 1153 🔗

Yes – it was a golden summer!

325247 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1136 of 1153 🔗

And you could smoke in the pubs.

325248 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to stevie119, 3, #1137 of 1153 🔗

And you could go into a pub in the first place.

325232 ▶▶ Basics, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1138 of 1153 🔗

22 is an oft occuring number same as the old 33. Used when counting on fingers. Watch that number 22 creep slip, slide and fade away in coming days. One thing is certain 22 million is not a number that will be spoken of in a weeks time.

325241 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to godowneasy, #1139 of 1153 🔗

I don’t know what Gemma Atherton’s got to do with Covid… 🙂

325243 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1140 of 1153 🔗

We may have had a poor government in 1976, but it didn’t plan to eliminate most of its own people.

325224 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #1141 of 1153 🔗

From 21st Century Wire

“France: New Law Would Ban COVID Vaccine Refusers from Using Law Public Transport”

“How far would governments in the West go in order to force a medical or pharmaceutical intervention on its population? This scenario is no longer confined to the realms of conspiracy theory, as a number of governments have either tried, or are currently preparing to implement this unprecedented policy.

A recent attempt by the Danish government to rush through an emergency “Epidemic Bill” calling for forced vaccinations triggered a national uprising, as intelligent members of the public got wind of the government’s attempt to slip draconian vaccine regulations past the public. A similar situation could be building in France, as the government in Paris attempts to push through new crisis legislation that would ban citizens from using public transport unless they submit to a dubious testing regime or refuse to take the latest experimental COVID-19 vaccine.”

The article continues..
https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/12/28/france-new-law-would-ban-covid-vaccine-refusers-from-using-law-public-transport/

325229 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Basics, 6, #1142 of 1153 🔗

I’m relying on the French people to say “Va te faire foutre”

325260 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 3, #1143 of 1153 🔗

Governments are bearing their teeth now.This is make or break time.If they can vaccinate enough people then it will be self policing,like masks and social distancing,so refuseniks will be treated as pariahs.
But it also presents an opportunity for a true fight back as the principle of bodily autonomy faces tyranny.

325262 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1144 of 1153 🔗

It also leaves incompetence theorists clinging on to their faith.

325230 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1145 of 1153 🔗

Clearly written piece about the deletion of Herd Immunity from the WHO website. Style perhaps useful for sharing onwards.

“WHO Deletes Naturally Acquired Immunity from Its Website
December 28, 2020”
https://www.aier.org/article/who-deletes-naturally-acquired-immunity-from-its-website/

It has been something very unpleasant to see WHO luvie devi sridhar weasel around herd immunity throughout the year, she has held as many positions on it as the snp has brexit. Synthetic herd immunity was the only herd immunity until this last memory holing.

325239 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Basics, 5, #1146 of 1153 🔗

And in so doing they are effectively stating that the human immune system no longer serves a useful purpose.

325268 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Basics, #1147 of 1153 🔗

China’s WHO? or is that a myth?

325238 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 12, #1148 of 1153 🔗

Populist Programme – the first 100 days of the Covid Action Programme.

Day 1 Remove mandatory masking.

Day 2 Terms of reference for Judicial Inquiry published including power to name persons to be prosecuted for enabling gross breaches of people’s natural rights.

Day 7 Close down national test and trace programme. Replace with limited test and trace in cases if established symptomatic infection.

Day 14 Publishing of “Sensible Health Advice Programme” emphasising basic hygiene to avoid exposure to high viral loads.

Day 15 Tiers and all lockdown regulations removed from Day 30. Free movement and free association restored. Some restrictions on mass gatherings remain. People in the age range 18 to 60 who do not have health issues encouraged to mix and socialise to hasten achievement of herd immunity.

Day 20 Public Health Information Programme announced. “You Are Strong”. Programme to counter the preceding years of fear propaganda. Will explain how we have co-evolved with viruses -viruses are always in the environment and always mutating and that we have little to fear if we avoid obesity and lifestyle diseases, have a good diet and exercise regularly.

Day 21 Shielding and Care Home Support Programme announced.

Day 28 New Covid Reporting Protocols published.

Day 30 Freedom Day. People free to mix with family and friends.

Day 60 Free distribution of Vit C Vit D and Zinc approved for whole population who wish to receive it (opt out scheme).

Day 80 Effective Treatments Programme begins following evaluation. Prime candidates for drug treatment are Ivermectin and HCQ.

Day 100 Judicial Inquiry begins time limited six months of hearings. First witness: Prof Neil Ferguson.

325246 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 8, #1149 of 1153 🔗

Just get rid of all the restrictions immediately.Arrest of all sage,nervtag and the last cabinet.Arrest warrant served on Bill Gates and the WHO.Leave NATO World bank and all UN treaties.Thats the first week sorted.

325267 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to OKUK, 1, #1150 of 1153 🔗

I foresee a slight problem with day 20 – “avoid obesity and lifestyle diseases, have a good diet and exercise regularly”. I suspect the majority of the population have a problem in one or more of these areas and that most of them will continue to do so unless we start to tackle various issues including but not limited to the misuse of considerable power and influence by big food (and bog pharma), toxic social environments related to breakdown of communities and erosion of healthy family life, toxic environments at home and work, and the lifestyles that many people are forced to live (work/life balance, things which increase stress etc.).

325256 Basics, replying to Basics, #1151 of 1153 🔗

Scotsman coverage of a publicity stunt that has been declated hogmanay celebration. Castle car park has illuminated Thank You [NHS] in it for a few moments – did anyone attend bar the press tog?

“Edinburgh’s Hogmanay kicks off its virtual celebrations with a stunning tribute to NHS staff and key workers
Edinburgh’s Hogmanay 2020 digital festivities kicked off with a heartfelt thank you to NHS staff and key workers across the country.

“‘Thank You’ was spelled out in fiery rainbow letters taking inspiration from the rainbows that Scotland and the rest of the UK placed in windows and homes over the past year to show support for front line staff.”

https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/christmas/edinburghs-hogmanay-kicks-its-virtual-celebrations-stunning-tribute-nhs-staff-and-key-workers-3079477

325264 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Basics, 1, #1152 of 1153 🔗

As John Junor used to say
” Pass the Sick Bag Alice”

325265 bebophaircut, #1153 of 1153 🔗

https://amazingpolly.net/videos.html

Listen to Polly’s ‘The Swamp is Doing the Auditing’, about Arlo/Voting Works and Homeland Security’s voting machines for the US Presidential Election. Guess where the funding came from. Chilling.

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