2020-12-29

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325269 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 81, #1 of 1464 🔗

All school children should return. Last I heard, no child between 28 days and 15 years had died of cv, no teacher had died of cv after being infected by their pupils.

Oh, and thanks to the person who linked to the article about Belarus, I used it on another platform. If Belarus, who didn’t lock down, didn’t ban spectators at sport, really had less excess deaths than the UK, what the hell is the government playing at?

Still, I suppose some people still won’t be convinced. I was trying to convince someone about Sweden who seems to believe that they are not doing so well because their king says so, and because Finland (who it turns out are adding vitamin D to basic foods) have less cv deaths (according to official figures).

325282 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 29, #2 of 1464 🔗

Has hancock yet provided any truth to his claim that children are more susceptible to Covid mutant .2 and if so are are they any more likely to get ill or infectious ?

325356 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to karenovirus, 59, #3 of 1464 🔗

Where is the evidence. They only claimed this new variant a few days ago, so they would have had to test and isolate this virus strain, not just a PCR test, on thousands of children to make such a claim. More useless models?
Mass testing on children – is this a one off, regular? It concerns me that people are so blase about this invasive test, it is not pleasant and really should this be done to children based on a claim by a government of cases of a variant strain, based on what evidence. If such an abusive policy is to executed where are the demands for evidence to support their conviction that this so-called strain exists, yet alone is ‘out of control ‘ or more ‘deadly’. I honestly wonder how far would the government have to go before people say enough. Really though, if they announced tomorrow they would be removing all children from their homes and placing them in a secure government location to ‘save the NHS ‘ would the sheeple just comply, I am beginning to think so. I am just so angry that we are allowing our lives to be ruined to save a disfunctional, not fit for purpose, burgeoning government health care provider with not a single criticism aimed at its poor performance.

325569 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Hattie, 33, #4 of 1464 🔗

I get the impression that there is ultimately nothing the sheep would not do if they were infected by further hysteria. They lose all sense of proportion. I find this with my own family members. This morning I was shouted at and ridiculed because I was not willing to be drawn into the current media hysteria about the mutant virus. They really hate it (and you) when you refuse to participate and all the abuse starts about reading fake news etc. I just ask them to calm down and not panic but know its pointless trying to reason with them.

326041 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #5 of 1464 🔗

It’s sad. Solidarity, dear Boris Bullshit.

325605 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hattie, 17, #6 of 1464 🔗

The save the NHS nonsense, is simply cover for keeping the fake Covid-19 pot boiling. This and other senseless measures are about doing everything thing that can be done to get a maximum “voluntary” take up of one or another of Bill Gates’s intentionally dangerous vaccines. Those acceding to vaccination are effectively playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded revolver.

325669 ▶▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Hattie, 7, #7 of 1464 🔗

An interesting issue is the emergence from the shadows of COG-UK which had apparently been conducting DNA sequencing since April in mid December having apparently sequenced a mere 142k samples. It seems to me this extraordinary enterprise was hidden from the public until it became politically expedient to foist the new mutation on us. In November I wrote to PHE asking me whether the government had done any DNA sequencing and they evaded the question (letter 10 December).

In November I asked them:

“In how many cases of Covid in the UK has the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus been established by DNA sequencing? Please provide information about the status of the cases.”

On 10 December, just 5 days before Hancock came out opportunistically with his mutation I received this reply.

“”PHE do not use sequencing as a diagnostic test for SARS-CoV 2. Sequencing is only attempted where a sample has already tested positive for SARS-CoV2 using a standard diagnostic PCR test. PHE is not aware of any instances where the presence of SARS-CoV 2 has been determined using sequencing.”

So, no mention of COG-UK.

325709 ▶▶▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 5, #8 of 1464 🔗

Sorry, this is ill-edited. Point is the that Public Health England hid the existence of the DNA sequencing service until shortly before Hancock and Ferguson launched their mutation scare. Previously, they hadn’t wanted attention for it, then they need to exploit it.

325712 ▶▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 3, #9 of 1464 🔗

The COG UK presentation on 18th December showed no sign of panicking scientists, who stressed that early trends can be misleading and often disappear once new info. comes in. It is the panicking politicians who are the problem.

325816 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to frankfrankly, #10 of 1464 🔗

I didn’t see it but of course they suddenly became the centre of attention because of Hancock, Ferguson and Horby.

325707 ▶▶▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Hattie, 22, #11 of 1464 🔗

Do not comply!

325782 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Hattie, 9, #12 of 1464 🔗

Testing of children under 16 (unless part of a clinical diagnosis) should be banned by law. It’s child abuse.

325975 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Banjones, 2, #13 of 1464 🔗

Hate to break it to you but HOC and BBC are riddled with nonces

326028 ▶▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Hattie, 2, #14 of 1464 🔗

So, this is my just published letter to BMJ on-line. Basically, how the British government suddenly discovered in mid-December that it had been DNA sequencing SARS-CoV-2 samples for the last 8 months without mentioning it:-

Re: Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK – the emergence of COG-UK Re: Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK Jacqui Wise. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4857
Dear Editor
In November I wrote to Public Health England asking:

“In how many cases of Covid in the UK has the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus been established by DNA sequencing? Please provide information about the status of the cases.”

On 10 December, just six days before the publication of this article by Jacqui Wise [1] I received this reply:

“”PHE do not use sequencing as a diagnostic test for SARS-CoV 2. Sequencing is only attempted where a sample has already tested positive for SARS-CoV2 using a standard diagnostic PCR test. PHE is not aware of any instances where the presence of SARS-CoV 2 has been determined using sequencing.”

So, no mention of COG-UK. I am puzzled, was there any public knowledge of COG-UK before the present episode? For instance, a search on “COG-UK” in Rapid Responses produces no results, so it was scarcely on the tip of everyone’s tongue. What could have been the reason for apparently withholding the details of this no doubt very costly public enterprise?

[1] Jacqui Wise, ‘Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK’, BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)

325363 ▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to karenovirus, 35, #15 of 1464 🔗

Sadly it doesn’t matter – no one is holding them to account – make up a new lie -implement new measures move on to next news cycle. The way the vast majority of the press has behaved during this is appalling. Remember only a few weeks ago we were going to have 4,000 people a week dying – out by a huge factor even taking the “with” numbers – but every new lie is treated by the press as if true. To Biker’s point – the dumbing down of the population has been very successful – most of them it’s one swim round the goldfish tank and bang it’s a new castle !

325725 ▶▶▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to norfolksceptic, 15, #16 of 1464 🔗

The reason the mainstream media (MSM) is not holding the government to account is very easy to explain.

The MSM is in the Government’s pocket. Just look at the massive advertising campaign re Covid. Radio, TV, newspapers, it’s wall to wall and government is spending millions on this campaign which has been relentless for 10 months and continuing.

The Government is the MSM biggest advertising client and BBC are playing ball in return for dropping the threat of decriminalising non-payment of the licence fee.

This why the media faithfully parrot government’s propaganda.

325995 ▶▶▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to flyingjohn, #17 of 1464 🔗

Exactly.

326737 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to flyingjohn, #18 of 1464 🔗

so much for a free press. Really, all politicians should have to watch The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (where war is declared on the Shinbone Star’s freedom). John Wayne, great film.

325778 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to karenovirus, 6, #19 of 1464 🔗

And here we have a Health Minister with no scientific or medical background, no previous job in the real world.

Oh! – just remembered – he’s got a PPE though.

326738 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Banjones, 1, #20 of 1464 🔗

politics philosophy economics? I do find it hard to understand how people who’ve studied economics are so willing to collaborate in the degrading of the economy. Perhaps they should’ve studied history

326160 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to karenovirus, -4, #21 of 1464 🔗

It’s a bit worrying when some obscure Hancock statement is the only that is vulnerable to criticism.

I have to admit I’m becoming a bit more concerned about the situation. Throughout the first 9 months of the year I knew of no-one who’d had Covid-19 but I now personally know several – most of them young – who are pretty ill with it.

326399 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Mayo, 4, #22 of 1464 🔗

I never doubted it is a real and nasty condition. I try to take precautions as I am vulnerable I’m here as I strongly object to the Government locking us up, making people depressed and suicidal, damaging their immune systems through stress, not giving sensible advice and destroying the economy, lives and livelihoods

326500 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 1, #23 of 1464 🔗

Not a statement for a down vote. But sloppy.

Many can muster solopsistic evidence for the opposite case, and, bluntly, there aren’t bodies in the streets, and haven’t been for nine months.

It is a pity that the only reliable data is the enumeration of corpses – but that’s how it is – and we know that indicator shows no epidemic at all – just a seasonally rising death rate in line with all years. Even the analysis of the April spike makes no difference to the analysis of a moderately high infection season into 2020, that is only a ‘pandemic’ by virtue of altered definition.

326603 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Mayo, #24 of 1464 🔗

Ill with what, the confirmed through isolation then globally peer reviewed resulting in thousands of the exact same isolated virus, or just the general PCR gold standard test that has resulted in a positive test and could be any fuckin coronavirus RNA?

It’s funny because I’m not too old just yet and I’ve got a pretty nasty tasting cough right now that I’ve picked up from one of my kids but neither of us are wetting the bed or expecting the world to lockdown. Truth be told, it took super human strength to stop myself licking the mother-in-law. Kept the windows closed though.

325296 ▶▶ Laurence, replying to Hugh, 56, #25 of 1464 🔗

Actually now it’s 6 children between 1-14 years old have died with a positive test in the preceding 28 days.

But it’s the 15-19 year olds where the figures get truly frightening – 11 people died after a positive test, that’s 1 in 335,000 – no wonder they want to shut secondary schools !

Listen to the experts – they know so much more than us !

I’m sickened by this ridiculous and wicked government.

325299 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 19, #26 of 1464 🔗

Let me guess, most of them will have been the ones with sick notes to be excused PE.

325510 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Laurence, 18, #27 of 1464 🔗

Chart showing percentage of deaths involving Covid from the ONS
Overall 10.4% of all deaths were under 60 , but only 6.25% of covid deaths were under 60
0.14% of all deaths were , sadly children between 1 and 15 years old, 0.01% of the covid deaths were in this age group
Closing schools is insane, considering the damage done to the education, welfare, future prospects and mental heath of the children – this is criminal

325530 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Aslangeo, 14, #28 of 1464 🔗

I wonder how many children died of the flu last year? Mind you they would not have put that as the cause. They would have put down all the causes unlike covid. Of the six little kids that died, most were seriously ill.

325544 ▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #29 of 1464 🔗

Actually they will list cause as influenza (ICD10 code is 99). Tested by pcr in the hospital lab using an approved pcr test. Children typically have a higher hospital admission rate for influenza per capita than the elderly. But they don’t die from it. There are also approved antivirals, but they aren’t great by time of admission.

The question really is not how many children died, but how many people were admitted to hospital having caught it from their children.

325935 ▶▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Spikedee1, #30 of 1464 🔗

83 died of RSV virus – the symptoms of which in adults are identical to a cold.

325961 ▶▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #31 of 1464 🔗

More school age children died in 2019 vs 2020 according to the ONS (786 (2020) vs 902 (2019))
I am having a real problem downloading the previous years mortality datasets from the ONS website

326739 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Laurence, #32 of 1464 🔗

Thanks for that. Reminds me of the old chestnut, that we should ban driving children to school as the number who die in accidents on the school run is probably more than that. Perhaps we could see some headlines in the msm with that figure – “1 in 335,000” – perhaps even people who don’t get arithmetic would understand that.

325585 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Hugh, 23, #33 of 1464 🔗

The reason Belarus didn’t lockdown, and the reason that we did, was admitted by the President of Belarus when he allegedly said that he had been pressured to lock his country down by the WEF/World Bank. They allegedly told him that if he didn’t, there would be no further lending of any kind allowed to him.

It is an obvious conclusion that Boris the Stupid was pressured in the same way, along with all the other governments.

The President of Belarus, being a bear of little brain, but a reasonably decent man as far as supporting his own country, went to Putin as the loans required were not substantial (in state-to-state terms). Putin said yes. The President of Belarus then drew himself up to his full height and declared to those blackmailing him; “GFY”. Being further not a man possessed of magnificent wisdom, but using what he felt was common sense, he went on telly to announce his decision as to the sum total of all actions which he desired his countrymen to adopt with regard to the (at the time) new virus; “Drink more vodka”.

That was it. By the merest sequence of flukes, and because he knew no better, he saved his country from all the damage we suffered.

325613 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RichardJames, 4, #34 of 1464 🔗

Plotline of A Very British Coup, Ray Macanally. BBC if I remember correctly.

325623 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 1, #35 of 1464 🔗

Channel4 and one of the best

325656 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to wendyk, 2, #36 of 1464 🔗

still available on All4

326381 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RichardJames, 2, #37 of 1464 🔗

We know Macron pressured Johnson to introduce a lockdown. Macron – ex-banker and chief of European globalists – threatened to close the Channel to all movement of goods and people. Johnson should have responded by threatening to close the Channel west to east to all EU traffic but he folded.

326644 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to RichardJames, 1, #38 of 1464 🔗

Isn’t the World Bank collectively made up of 180 odd countries that are members, thus they’re both making up the rules and lending the money to themselves? (I think I’m beginning to see why no fucker in any of these governments or organisations is calling out the disgraceful conflicts of interests between big Bill, Imperial College, Oxford Uni, SAGE, the WHO, GAVI and the drug makers and pushers).

I’m beyond incandescence.

326741 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Jez Hewitt, #39 of 1464 🔗

(I’d rather have the Who 🙂 )

326651 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RichardJames, 2, #40 of 1464 🔗

To be fair, he did recommend saunas as well as wodka. 🙂

326740 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to RichardJames, 1, #41 of 1464 🔗

Reminds me of when Belgium went for months without a government and things carried on pretty much as normal. We might in many cases be better off with someone like the president of Belarus than politicians to be too clever and micromanage a virus.

325270 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 45, #42 of 1464 🔗

So far as when this is all over (if it ever is) is concerned, I should say I’m quite prepared to forgive some of the ignorant sheeple who went along with it knowing no better, however, those in Big Pharma and the CCP, those who were all too willing to listen to them and their proxies and are guilty as sin should face the full weight of Nuremberg mark II. I have been suspicious of big pharma’s political influence for years, and my suspicions were confirmed when my favourite food, apricot kernels, were banned from being sold as a food by the EU. Even if you don’t believe it prevents cancer, why were they so keen to ban it when I and others have been taking them for years without any ill effects? And how much else is big pharma influencing if their anti-laetrile campaign can sway the powers that be like this?

Another German reference for Annie, from Max Frisch’s Andorra (a play where Andorra represented Switzerland during ww2) – “Ich bin nicht Schuld (I am not guilty) – what all the characters who had collaborated in the evil (an allegory of Nazi evil) said at the end of the play. They were just doing their duty or whatever. The current collaborators must not get away with it!

325280 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 43, #43 of 1464 🔗

I loathe and detest the zombies only fractionally less than their controllers. But we can’t put virtually the entire population on trial, however much they deserve it as acccessories before, during and after the fact. We shall have to live with them afterwards.
Unless, of course, they all decide to hide under the bed for the rest of their miserable existences.Think of all the room that would give us to enjoy our own, real lives.

325360 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 25, #44 of 1464 🔗

Agree. As I said here yesterday we’ll have people going “its time for healing let bygones be bygones” and while we will have to live with them afterwards I think we have a sacred duty to remind them of their cowardice and their willingness to condone evil.

325603 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #45 of 1464 🔗

Definitely. Never forget, never forgive.

Eventually, and only after a grovelling level of contrition by the sheeple, a condescending pat on the head to fogive; but always bring the subject up again at the slightest pretext.

I absolutely guarantee you that there will be a call for a “Truth & Reconciliation” commission because the numbers and embarrassment will be so huge.

325642 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to RichardJames, 19, #46 of 1464 🔗

Yes, I was thinking about a truth and reconciliation-type commission of some kind, depending on how this all ends up (if it ever ends). There might also be something like how the German population was treated after the Second World War (in the West), where active de-nazification took place in an environment of common guilt.

While I try to be fair to people, I think we should not infantilise them; this is actually one of the reasons why we are where we are. Adults need to be treated as such and held responsible for allowing this to happen (at least in democracies). Being an adult in a democracy entails some responsibility as a citizen.

Perhaps I’m being unfair, but I will never be able to forgive most people for going along with this. I was against it from the beginning, seeing where it would go and what it would do to us. I was treated like a leper by colleagues and even friends. To hell with them.

326117 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom in Scotland, 7, #47 of 1464 🔗

Well said and I think at some point there will be a drawing of a line under the sand. I will be professional outwardly but will never trust a great many people again. Ever.

Perhaps I’m being unfair, but I will never be able to forgive most people for going along with this. I was against it from the beginning, seeing where it would go and what it would do to us. I was treated like a leper by colleagues and even friends. To hell with them.

Agree with this. And don’t forget families too, my dad’s crass response to my message was the final straw for me and I’m done with them for the time being.

I’ve pulled back with some people and I don’t expect to socialise with them or even remain friends when this is all over. If I confront them, I won’t be surprised if they will use the “I was protecting you/keeping you safe” defence but I don’t see it that way. I would interpret their refusing to meet up or even their exaggerated attempts at social distancing to be an insult and a sign that they don’t want to be friends with me anymore. So why should I bother?

326393 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #48 of 1464 🔗

We will need a dephobicisation programme to wean people off the fear. There should be wide ranging public health information emphasising that viruses are a natural part of life and our bodies we well adapted to dealing with them, that our natural immunity is a powerful controller of disease and that by eating well, taking some vitamin supplements and following basic hygiene rules, we can stay well into old age.

326711 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #49 of 1464 🔗

They tried Truth and Reconciliation in South Africa. How well did that work?

326121 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RichardJames, 2, #50 of 1464 🔗

Indeed. They should never be allowed to forget that they allowed all this to happen and even collaborated with it.

And well said about a “Truth & Reconciliation” because many people will be desperate to cover up what they did. Plus anticipate a mass deletion of virtue signalling posts and photos on social media when this is all over.

325855 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Annie, 2, #51 of 1464 🔗

We can however note them down and blame them face to face for all the misery and deaths to come.

326742 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, 1, #52 of 1464 🔗

The zombies are just very annoying. The movers and shakers behind this atrocity are criminal. I might get over the first, but not the second.

325287 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 16, #53 of 1464 🔗

Over Xmas I rewatched a lecture from Yale by historian John Merriman in which he examines collaboration and resistance in nazi occupied Europe.
One of his interesting observations is that many people in Poland, France, Belgium and The Netherlands collaborated because the nazis were doing what they wanted doing in getting rid of Jews gays and Gypsies.
Not only did local Police make the arrests they also manned the transit camps en route to Germany. This was denied in France until the 1980’s.

The fascist regime of Vichy France used the word ‘Shield’ to defend this policy, claiming that giving the nazis what they wanted ‘Shielded’ the rest of the population.

John asks the question several times “did they know (about the death camps) ? Of course they knew, everyone knew”

John Merriman Yale University Lectures
YouTube

325342 ▶▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to karenovirus, 21, #54 of 1464 🔗

I agree. There was a lot of popular support and acquiescence for what they did. Everywhere in Europe. Including here in the UK. Not just in Germany and Austria.

Popularity does not equal morality. Despotic evil is always justified as a way to “protect” humanity. People forget that all historical evil was never badged as evil but was always justified as moral.

I think many of us also know that Churchill was pretty much the only member of the 1930s British political class who consistently opposed Hitler. Whatever else he got wrong (and it was a lot of things….) he deserves his greatness purely for that. It outweighs every other fault he may have had.

325357 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stephensceptic, 2, #55 of 1464 🔗

The majority of quotation corner confirm your para 2 second sentence.

325367 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Stephensceptic, 14, #56 of 1464 🔗

I know he’s no Churchill, but I think Corbyn would have opposed this. And asked the right questions especially of PCR and hospital data.

325645 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #57 of 1464 🔗

Piers Corbyn is the only good Corbyn unfortunately. Jeremy has fully supported the tyranny and I suspect we would have been under a Melbourne style lockdown to ‘protect’ the NHS and that most large businesses would have been nationalised. Really hoped he would come out and support his brothers stand at least in principle in the media.

325945 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Darryl, 5, #58 of 1464 🔗

I don’t think Jezza believes in Lockdown. He doesn’t even bother to adhere to it himself! People also forget he was a massive euro skeptic too. No wonder people are so disillusioned with politics when everything has to be prescribed as right vs left. It’s a nasty American habit we need to drop.

325448 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to karenovirus, 10, #59 of 1464 🔗

Thanks for that. Looks really good, gonna give it a go later. The only thing I would say is that when he says that “everyone knew”, I’m not sure I would believe that – maybe I would have believed that pre 2020 but this last year has taught me never to underestimate the gullibility and the monumental lack of curiosity/concern of my fellow citizens about anything that doesn’t directly impact their lives. Obviously I haven’t watched the lecture yet!

325317 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Hugh, 38, #60 of 1464 🔗

I have loathed BigPharma since I started to look into their practices after my mum became addicted to their vile drugs. I hate the fact that there are people who are getting disgustingly rich on the backs of other people’s despair, suffering and chronic illness. Why the majority believe they are a force for good is beyond my comprehension.

And, just a thought, if we really “are all in this together”, wouldn’t the pharmaceutical companies have got together to produce an antidote for this so-called virulent disease and done so free of charge. No, of course they wouldn’t, because it’s all about the bottom-line for them.

325365 ▶▶▶ LibertyHelen, replying to kh1485, 13, #61 of 1464 🔗

Have you read Cracked?. It’s a few years old now but probably still as relevant.
My dad was diagnosed with clinical depression and that prompted my research. In the beginning the doctors were basically experimenting on him, with one drug almost helping him to top himself.
I agree with you, they’re all in it for the money.
httpss://www.waterstones.com/book/cracked/james-davies/9781848316546

325420 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to LibertyHelen, 19, #62 of 1464 🔗

Yes, I’ve read them all – sadly. I wish I hadn’t had to. Another excellent (though deeply troubling) book is Katinka Blackford Newman’s The Pill That Steals Lives.

So sorry to read of your dad. Exactly the same with my mum. Thirty six years they experimented on her (with a dose of electric shock treatment thrown in for good measure, the bastards). I tried to persuade her to stop taking the wretched things but she was in thrall to the medicos.

This is why, whenever anyone is enthuastic about us all taking the vaccine that I suggest they familiarise themselves with One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest.

326386 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to LibertyHelen, 2, #63 of 1464 🔗

Peter Hitchens is very good on how some of these,psychoactive drugs are very dangerous, being associated with not just suicide but also mass killings.

325641 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to kh1485, 20, #64 of 1464 🔗

Dr Vernon Coleman’s book ‘How to Stop Your Doctor Killing You’ is a great read. If I could have my tine all over again the thing I would change is that I would keep well away from the medical profession as much as possible. All my illnesses have been caused by inappropriate drugs (and the drugs to counteract the side effects of that drug and so on) and treatment. I used to work for the NHS and the public would be horrified if they knew the truth.

325755 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mutineer, 6, #65 of 1464 🔗

Thanks for this, I will give it a go. I don’t think I will ever get over what was done to my mum nor the subsequent treatment of me when I tried to establish the truth. And to have *this* now just when I thought I had expunged the NHS from my life is just another kick in the guts.

325864 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Mutineer, 2, #66 of 1464 🔗

Go ahead, then, horrify the public. They deserve it.

326382 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, #67 of 1464 🔗

I know of a relative who ended up taking a whole series of medications including one for low blood pressure and one for high blood pressure- to be taken at the same time!

325464 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Hugh, 7, #68 of 1464 🔗

No mercy to the collaborators
Sorry

325852 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hugh, #69 of 1464 🔗

Andorra is a great play. Die Brandstifter fits our current scenario very well.

325964 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Hugh, #70 of 1464 🔗

And that’s why they’ll never allow it to be all over.

325971 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Banjones, #71 of 1464 🔗

Since it is a disease you might not know you’ve got, how will we know when we get over it?

326126 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Hugh, 2, #72 of 1464 🔗

Very interesting about apricot kernels, I found the banning unexplained as many wholefood shop staff have too.

325271 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 108, #73 of 1464 🔗

I do not watch television

Once every day I view the BBC news website

I do this to find out what is not the truth, and what line of propaganda the government are pushing on any given day

325276 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 41, #74 of 1464 🔗

Cecil, you are a brave man.To visit the BBC website must be like wading through s…t.
And you do it for us.
You are a hero.

325311 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 32, #75 of 1464 🔗

I agree. I used to do that just to look at the newspaper headlines. Can’t bear it now.

325364 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 6, #76 of 1464 🔗

Agreed

325381 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 27, #77 of 1464 🔗

Ditto. My total boycott of MSM has been complete for months now.

325398 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to kh1485, 37, #78 of 1464 🔗

Me too, I just come on here (other than a snowflake board where I lurk to test the temperature. They are all babbling today about how everyone they know is testing positive despite only going to the supermarket and always being masked, but rather than question the efficacy of the test they are awestruck by the power of the new variant).

325444 ▶▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Fiona Walker, 24, #79 of 1464 🔗

They probably don’t question the efficacy of their face nickers either.

325861 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 2, #80 of 1464 🔗

They’re so predictable!

326135 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 4, #81 of 1464 🔗

It is curious how it works on that emotional level. The BBC content is so repellent many many people actively avoid it. It is so disgusting to read the fresh words of new lies and new words of continued lies.

326163 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Basics, 4, #82 of 1464 🔗

Interesting observation . Yes it is a visceral recoiling from horrible stuff now. From not watching the telly, I can now no longer listen to R4 at all as all the content is woke infused and I even leap for the volume control on R3 when a news summary is flagged. I listen to French FIP radio quite a bit now which is news free and generally good quality. I get some of the French but it isn’t needed as chat is limited. Recommended.

325288 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 19, #83 of 1464 🔗

Similarly I have not watched any television for 15 years.
I sometimes click unknowingly on a BBC video clip or web page but treat it with caution.
I do however listen to BBC R4 in the morning and R2 around lunchtime, like you to be aware of what the government is spouting as serious news and later populist propaganda.

I consider myself immune to their wiles and stratagems having occasionally predicted their next move before they had thought of it (not because I am so clever rather because they are so predictable).

325511 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Cecil B, 7, #84 of 1464 🔗

Agreed. Need to see whats being sold on MSM to better grasp what is (not) going on.

325926 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Cecil B, 3, #85 of 1464 🔗

Likewise…today they were back full circle to condemning people to hell for walking in the Brecon Beacons 🤦🏻‍♀️

325272 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 50, #86 of 1464 🔗

Managed to socialise normally, as in days of yore, with 2 friends on the 25th: lunch, celebratory Prosecco, presents, conversation.

However, one friend ,who is still fully signed up to imprisonment without parole, has now decided that ‘the new variant’ , now being whipped up by the media, poses such a threat that she will have to avoid all young people as potential plague spreaders.

I attempted a brief account of viral mutation commonly leading to reduced virulence, since killing the hosts would inevitably lead to viral demise, but she was having none of it.

Admittedly, I’m no specialist, merely appalled by what has befallen us, but I tried to use the analogy of viewing a convenient human as a parking space for the virus, a phenomenon which has led to our coexistence for millennia.

Both friends want the vaccine, so I decided not to declare my opposition.

Meanwhile, we’re back in Tier 4, masks everywhere- discarded on pavements, gagging faces, fiddled with and utterly pointless.

325273 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to wendyk, 19, #87 of 1464 🔗

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/november-2020/welcome-to-covidworld/

This might explain why some people are “having none of it”.

Stuff tier 4, stuff those filthy masks!

Has any teacher actually died yet after being infected by their pupils? Or perhaps this teenage mutant ninja bug will be different? One for Bebop or Rocksteady!

325291 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 3, #88 of 1464 🔗

How do we get MPs to read such material much of which we are familiar with ?

325308 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 30, #89 of 1464 🔗

That would only be of any use if they weren’t all in a conspiracy to destroy us and take away life as we once knew it. Above with the article is it a conspiracy goes all the way to show the lengths decent people like Toby want to hide behind the obvious because to admit a conspiracy means we truly are living under occupation. We no longer run our own country and will now have to live under the global tyranny of the climate emergency. Aside from wither or not there is a climate crisis these people say there is and they are coming for you. They want our cars, our boilers, our holidays, our cash, our ability to trade between ourselves. For all the dumb fucks like Rich H it’s exactly the kind of society they want but being lefties they have a hard time seeing it. We have been bounced into a world of total and utter communism. Which can only end in total failure after these people have killed millions if not billions this time. As far as not saying to your friends you won’t take the vaccine then you’ve let yourself down, your family down and the us skeptics down. Now is not the time to be keeping quiet like Karenovirus did, now is the time to tell these fuckers that you won’t be doing what they say, you won’t be living in an unvaxed ghetto and you will fight back.

325337 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 2, #90 of 1464 🔗

? See bellow.

325873 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #91 of 1464 🔗

Maybe they’ve been banned from reading such material? Gag order.

325284 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to wendyk, 59, #92 of 1464 🔗

i have gotten so disgusted with seeing people in their filthy face masks that they’re constantly fiddling with that I don’t even want to go anywhere that I could encounter them.There’s exactly one muzzle-free pub in our town, that’s where we go when we want a sliver of normal human interaction. Our shopping is down to the most absolutely necessary for the running of our household (and we’ve since discovered there’s all kinds of stuff we really don’t need) just to avoid having to see the sheep with all the face diapers, even if we go unmuzzled. All this compliance makes me so FURIOUS I really have to suppress the temptation to try to slap sense into them.

325285 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Elisabeth, 33, #93 of 1464 🔗

I quite agree; it’s the blank stares which accompany the gags which I find so unsettling.

Same as you for shopping: done as quickly as possible, early in the mornings, before the zombies replicate.

325292 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to wendyk, 40, #94 of 1464 🔗

Oh, the horrid, suspicious, malicious, venomous, beady little eyes of the (female) ultrazombie.
And the nightmare suspicion that under the ordinary zombie face knickers there’s just a featureless blank.No person. Not even an animal. Animals have expressions. Animals have emotions. Animals are not self-cancelled nothingnesses.

325310 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 40, #95 of 1464 🔗

Oh yes, we get that when we are sitting in our (now empty) shop as the masked stare through our windows. The glares, the disapproval, the sanctimony. Even had one person pull their dog away from our bowl of water that we place outside – can’t be too careful! (ffs)

325591 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to kh1485, 16, #96 of 1464 🔗

Unfortunately its made most people mentally ill.

325289 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Elisabeth, 15, #97 of 1464 🔗

Each to their own Elizabeth but I refuse to alter my behaviour in any way except to try to share a smile with fellow bare faced people.

325309 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 25, #98 of 1464 🔗

Did you not say you kept quiet to your friends about not taking the vax? That’s changing your behaviour. Just tell them you won’t have it and while you’re at it tell your friends that they are fucking morons for believing tis obvious bullshit and if they wanted to find out what was really going down it isn’t hard. We’re nearly a year into this and if we don’t argue with each and every single supporter of this then you’d be as well putting on the mask, get the vax, selling your car, turning off your boiler and eating fucking soya beans while you live off the food coupons our socialist government has so kindly given you in exchange for your new, improved, keep everyone safe, protect the NHS freedom.

325335 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 5, #99 of 1464 🔗

Nope, I’ve never said that, I’ve never discussed taking the vaccine with anyone but I have asked a couple of medics if they would be.

325345 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Biker, 18, #100 of 1464 🔗

It was me Biker, in particular circumstances,as I did not wish to start an argument on the 25th.

However, I’ve said to many others that I won’t have it.

I choose when and how to challenge the zealots; this might not meet with your approval but we all resort to differing strategies.

325377 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to wendyk, 18, #101 of 1464 🔗

I’ve found being too harsh with zealots or providing too much info too soon, strengthens their opposition. Its frustrating because time is of the essence and I do understand Bikers point about that.
It’s teaching me a lot about communication. How to approach this with different people.

That’s of course when I’m not on the floor screaming that the schools may not open. And I do believe they won’t open or will close quickly and we’ll be screwed for the rest of the academic year.

325387 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Country Mumkin, 23, #102 of 1464 🔗

I’ve never had the slightest hint of success of inducing any doubt whatsoever in anyone else I know – and just about everyone I know has bought fully into this.

Their minds are closed. They are no longer capable of rational thought or analysis, and perhaps never were.

Go only knows where this ends.

325425 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to TJN, 10, #103 of 1464 🔗

Same here, no point anymore. Those not awake now will sleep forever.

325498 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #104 of 1464 🔗

The only consolation is that perhaps they don’t really count for much. Their response is reactionary, and shallow. Their ‘opinions’ will blow and change with the wind. Sceptics, however, although vastly outnumbered, have generally thought long and hard about this, and are far stronger for it. That’s why I still think we’ll pull through eventually.

I recall you posting the other day that your comrades in Helmand would all have been against this shitshow – I think I have that right. Do you think that’s because they can identify the relative level of risk better than most people? Or is it because they can see through the tripe?

As I recall you alluding to in that post, in my experience (mainly naval, from a civilian viewpoint) the senior officers are essentially corporate mouthpieces, and no one pulls them up.

326635 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, #105 of 1464 🔗

Sceptics, however, although vastly outnumbered, have generally thought long and hard about this, and are far stronger for it. That’s why I still think we’ll pull through eventually.

 Quality versus quantity, TJN. 🙂

325390 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Elisabeth, 21, #106 of 1464 🔗

They do look dead behind the eyes its so unsettling. Even when they try to smile, it looks fake and forced, that’s why I end up not really looking at masked people directly because I find the whole thing disturbing and not helped that I can’t understand what they’re saying.

Hence why like you I avoid going into the shops and if I have to, its to grab what I want, pay and leave. No browsing and no more impulse purchases.

325644 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #107 of 1464 🔗

I think it will be bricks through windows and people with the equivalent of pitchforks soon. The madness is that they blame us when the reverse is the truth.

325750 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Elisabeth, 6, #108 of 1464 🔗

My thoughts exactly. Except I don’t have an unmasked pub to go to.

I HATE masks.

325411 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to wendyk, 19, #109 of 1464 🔗

I hate the masks, dirty filthy naps spreading disease.

325730 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to wendyk, 18, #110 of 1464 🔗

I have had a similar experience. While chatting to a friend on the phone discussing plans for Christmas. I said I would be calling in to see my family to drop off my grandsons gift and that I may call by just to say Happy Christmas on my way home. I was stunned that my friend of 50 years said that I would not be welcome to call. When asked why? I was told. “Its because you do not wear a mask when you go outside or when you go to the shops. I don’t want you to infect me with the mutant virus and kill me.” or words to that effect. And that’s that!
Shortly after I received a text message saying,”Does your family know you go out without a mask/ And are they happy for you to visit? It was a nice try at inflicting a guilt trip but my answer to both questions was Yes & Yes.But those two questions may have scarred a long friendship, time will tell.
My friend has become a fully indoctrinated “Mask Nazi” and I am saddened and at the same time incandescent with rage that this should happen.
It seems that synapses have somehow been switched off in the brain that prevent any ability to think critically and listen to reasoned argument.

325739 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Burlington, 10, #111 of 1464 🔗

Wilful stupidity is what I’d call it; after all,whether or not they’re all in the grip of terror ,they have to choose to abide by this particular stance, even though this choice will be concealed beneath layers of self righteous censure of the heretics and free thinkers.

I saw several young children,accompanied by their mothers,all masked up in the supermarket today; it’s so depressing and I feel like an alien species now.

PS: I received a mild ticking off from a rules-following friend before Christmas,when I broke out and invited another friend in for coffee and an exchange of books.

To think that so harmless an activity could attract criticism; it’s unbelievable.

325893 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Burlington, 2, #112 of 1464 🔗

Your friend is just the kind of person that the government needs to continue propagating its nefarious deeds. Good Stasi material.

325897 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Burlington, 1, #113 of 1464 🔗

They were hoping all along that one day they could make a statement like that. They need as much fodder as they can muster. Evil.

326094 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Burlington, 1, #114 of 1464 🔗

I find this too….once hysteria sets in all reason evaporates and abuse takes its place. Best to avoid her until this is over if it ever is.

326129 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Burlington, #115 of 1464 🔗

I would happily pull back and when you’re asked why tell that person the truth.

325977 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to wendyk, 7, #116 of 1464 🔗

I’ve said from the beginning (ad infinitum and ad nauseam) that if these bits of blue stuff were truly effective, then they’d be considered highly contaminated material, and as such would be treated as hazardous waste, with proper bins provided for their disposal.

325274 stewart, replying to stewart, 35, #117 of 1464 🔗

The government overplaying its hand is one possible way this all collapses. School closures are going to annoy a lot of people.

325275 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to stewart, 33, #118 of 1464 🔗

Every time I think, “This time the government has overplayed its hand,” sure enough the sheeple keep going along. If enough parents are convinced the “new” mutant strain is a danger to their children they’ll be more than happy to obey. That’s the insidious thing about them putting it out there that children *may* be more at risk now; it had become very clear that children are not at all at risk themselves and were not spreading it, so the fear factor had to be amped up to ensure continued compliance. Where they, and the WHO, may overplay their hand is with more and more “new” strains such that people finally give up and say we’ve done all we can, there’s no way to eradicate an endemic virus, and it’s time to move on. Probably wishful thinking on my part…

325277 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 25, #119 of 1464 🔗

You have to admire the industry of the terror merchants, though.They must consult one another every day, for hours, in their untiring attempts to think up more lies.

325279 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, 4, #120 of 1464 🔗

Yes. I wonder who’s paying them to do all this?

Well, good night Vienna!

325283 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Hugh, 12, #121 of 1464 🔗

Sponsored by the globalist trillionaire shadow government FILTH

325868 ▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Hugh, 1, #122 of 1464 🔗

The World Bank threatens to withdraw support if they don’t.

325382 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Annie, 7, #123 of 1464 🔗

I just wonder if they can sleep at night… whether they are tortured by the torture they inflict.

325579 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #124 of 1464 🔗

they don’t give a fuck these cunts aint human. The sold their soul to the devil a long time ago.

325637 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #125 of 1464 🔗

Many of them believe in the occult, an important fact, they think completely differently. People still say it is a ‘conspiracy’ but it is even on Wikipedia that the most powerful men in the world met each year to take part in occult rituals at Bohemian Grove.

325281 ▶▶ Annie, replying to stewart, 5, #126 of 1464 🔗

They were closed most of this year and the sheeples didn’t even bleat.

325293 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stewart, 6, #127 of 1464 🔗

It will give a lot of other people excuse to stay off work to look after their unschooled children.

325312 ▶▶ Biker, replying to stewart, 24, #128 of 1464 🔗

Bro, most of the country are too thick to understand how important schooling is for children. This is obvious when you consider most of us send our little bastards to state school where the chances of learning anything are slimmer than socialist admitting they steal money from your pocket because they can’t manage their own life without it.

325329 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to stewart, 5, #129 of 1464 🔗

Every time we think the government has overplayed its hand, we are disappointed.
Had a zoom call last night with friends with kids who were indeed moaning about the possibility of the schools not reopening but of course, they will go along with it when it happens. What else can they do?

325375 ▶▶ jb12, replying to stewart, 5, #130 of 1464 🔗

So I keep hearing, for about 9 months now. There is no ‘overplaying’ as the sheeple believe whatever the Thinking Box tells them; case in point, the ‘new’ more transmissible variant – no evidence but TV said so.

325379 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to stewart, 19, #131 of 1464 🔗

School closures are going to cause uproar.

We did it once, we were totally unaware of the situation. This time is very very different.

Women work. And we tend to have most childcare responsibility. We do not want to be fucked over again!

325947 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #132 of 1464 🔗

It fucked everyone over – including the childless, as everyone at my work was made to work harder to pick up the slack from parents who were home schooling all day rather than wfh.

326098 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #133 of 1464 🔗

When the shit hits the fan its usually the singles or childless who have the extra work dumped on them!

325278 Annie, 20, #134 of 1464 🔗

From the BMJ article referenced above:

The UK’s testing strategy needs to be reset in line with the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies’ recommendation that “Prioritising rapid testing of symptomatic people is likely to have a greater impact on identifying positive cases and reducing transmission than frequent testing of asymptomatic people in an outbreak area.’

Sounds as if the Onions came up with a bit of sense for once.So is the bloody government listening to the experts or not?
All right, don’t tell me. (Weary sigh.)

325286 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 15, #135 of 1464 🔗

There is a rumour that Tier Five will involve no outdoor exercise and an 8pm curfew. Does anyone think they would go hat far and would it be widely obeyed/disobeyed. No, not asking for a friend in the government.

325290 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Londo Mollari, 24, #136 of 1464 🔗

Barking mad if they do, getting outside is the way to keep healthy, shutting people up makes them sick, it is totally counterproductive. I organise work groups for local wildlife/conservation work and have noticed that people are becoming quite keen to sign up, they can see this coming and are hoping that work will be spared these restrictions and enable them to get out.

325300 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 29, #137 of 1464 🔗

Counterproductive is what they want hence disease inducing masks and immune system destroying isolation and distancing.

325386 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #138 of 1464 🔗

I think they’d like us to have shit immune systems. I don’t think they want us well.

Agree also with Apache that there’s lots of low compliance. Even those that believe they comply, say some aspects of rules don’t make sense so they just do stuff that fits their lifestyle. They don’t even consider it non-compliance.

325306 ▶▶ danny, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #139 of 1464 🔗

Would have said no, but now, it’s possible. Thing is, always prior to the latest lockdowns, I see lots of people out and about, pubs, shops etc. Clearly those people do not agree with the lockdowns or else they’d have taken it upon themselves to stay in already.
Great, but then the very next day, they obediently vanish.
Where are they? Why are they not fighting back?

325328 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to danny, 15, #140 of 1464 🔗

I guess it is a big step to become a law breaker. What introducing rules like this does is ruin previously relaxing and pleasurable pastimes by introducing anxiety. I think this is why many appear to go along with the rule changes. Could the tipping point be where most find it impossible to obey the rules and people just say sod it why obey any of them.

325376 ▶▶ Apache, replying to Londo Mollari, 14, #141 of 1464 🔗

Publicly few people will admit to defiance of the pandemic restrictions. Privately it is hard to find anyone that fully complies. Lately it is refreshing to see increasing movement and visits to others houses. Obviously the big problem is businesses like pubs and restaurants and organisations like museums and schools. I do feel the tide is turning (slowly) and the real risk of this virus is being understood by a wider public. It is possible that the govt would go to the tier 5 you are asking about and yes it would be disobeyed although not initially widely.

325606 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #142 of 1464 🔗

Evidence suggests that the majority would comply. Not me though.

326113 ▶▶ chris c, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #143 of 1464 🔗

I noticed that the BBC (spit) no longer list exercise as a reason to leave home in Tier 4, so yes very likely, plus masks in the open air and possibly in the home.

What’s worse is that the fuckwits will obey

325294 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 86, #144 of 1464 🔗

Insanity.

So far this year, covering the first 50 weeks, 181,535 people under 75 have died in England and Wales. The average for the last 5 years was 169,465. The UK population has grown from an average of 66.025m for those years to 67.360m in 2020, an increase of 2.02%. So on a comparable basis, the ‘excess’ deaths aged under 75 for 2020 is 8,645 people.

8,645 people in the whole of England and Wales have died over and above the average of the last 5 years due to COVID and due to the outrageous and disgusting campaign of fear led by the government of the Democratic United Kingdom. We don’t know how many in each category but even if they are all COVID that’s fewer than 1 in 5,000 under 75s who died from this ‘pandemic’ or 1 death out of every 21.

For the over 75s it’s around 1 person in 250 or 1 death in 17.

These figures have scared the government so much, they are now going to lock us all up in our houses and shut our schools, as well as pubs, restaurants, cinemas, travel, shops, etc, which are already shut.

Somebody tell me there’s more to this, or are we all being taken for fools by Her Majesty’s Government. Does she realise the killing and devastation being carried out in her government’s name. The children’s lives ruined by closing the schools, the people dying unnecessarily of cancer in their thousands, the loss of 1.2 million jobs and many more to follow, the destruction of the fabric of society, the millions upon millions of life years lost due to poverty, unemployment and mental and physical illness, the tens or hundreds of millions of people who will die in the LEDCs, and on and on.

And don’t tell me the lockdowns had any effect – they were far too late to achieve anything – they’ve hardly touched the flu figures in the UK (compare this year to the previous five), and if you look at the graphs of deaths in Sweden it’s virtually identical but scaled down compared to the UK, France, Italy and Spain etc. Germany, Denmark and Poland locked down earlier but all that happened is they’re getting the brunt of the ‘pandemic’ now instead of in April. Compare Brazil, the lockdown ‘bad boy’ of  South America, to Peru, the poster child of lockdowns (spoiler: both have a virtually identical shaped COVID death chart but Peru is significantly higher on a per million basis) etc etc.

As for the supporters of these ridiculous and cruel lockdowns, who are so ready to criticise lockdown sceptics for selectively choosing our statistics, maybe they think this because they are conscious of what they themselves do. For example, In a ridiculous podcast from the Bunker “2020 Hindsight: How LOCKDOWN SCEPTICS went to war with reality”, notably short on statistics and facts and noticeably brimming with criticism of the unscientific nature of lockdown sceptics, one fact they do refer to is a study of a city in the US which is split between two states, where one half went into lockdown and one didn’t. The comment was that the difference between the two was surprisingly small, probably because the part that didn’t go into lockdown effectively acted as if it were in lockdown – that’s not only selective use of statistics, that’s shoe-horning the results into the opposite conclusion from what they suggest.

325295 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Laurence, 46, #145 of 1464 🔗

I think that the health tyrants have realised that the deaths data is looking a little threadbare to support their fascist regime. So they have turned to the safer area of an overwhelmed NHS, the data and the narrative coming from the NHS is tricky to analyse objectively, especially when they interlink it with heart wrenching stories of worn out staff and desperate patients.
There seem to be 2 things that spook the general public, deaths and any threat to the NHS, they are playing up the NHS one for all it is worth and there are still enough of the public willing to buy into this story that they will support ever more stringent lockdown measures.

325297 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #146 of 1464 🔗

So you think these people are influenced by reality ?

325303 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 20, #147 of 1464 🔗

Anyone visiting my major regional hospital can tell there is nothing happening there, another good reason for them to be kept away as much as possible.

325321 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to karenovirus, 13, #148 of 1464 🔗

The main impact is the loss of beds and staff to Covid fear.

325343 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RickH, 7, #149 of 1464 🔗

First Covid story on Local Live (mirror group news) is #5, it is not about cases or deaths but staff shortages.

325320 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #150 of 1464 🔗

When I see mortality rising outside normal limits for the quarter century, then I might start re-thinking. But there’s a long way to go to exceed that historical level. In fact, mortality is currently closer to the minimum.

And the level of that upper bound didn’t cause hysteria when it happened. My daughter was born; life otherwise went on as normal.

325302 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 25, #151 of 1464 🔗

A large proportion of those 8,645 excess deaths will be suicides driven by lockdown.

325552 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to karenovirus, 17, #152 of 1464 🔗

And people who were refused or avoided essential treatment on the NHS for non-Covid related conditions.

325298 danny, replying to danny, 19, #153 of 1464 🔗

The latest mad ravings emanating from our new unelected SAGE leaders keeps saying that only year 11 and 13 will return.
What about year 12, the first year of A levels, which for many is an exam year just like year 13?

325315 ▶▶ RickH, replying to danny, 17, #154 of 1464 🔗

SAGE are not the ‘leaders’. They just provide the fodder for the politicians. These incompetent snake-oil salesmen deserve no excuses and camouflage.

325318 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to RickH, 24, #155 of 1464 🔗

Whilst I agree that Boris and co use Sage to defy all responsibility, I also do feel that the voice they have, and the authority they have, far exceeds their remit.
Time after time, sage have recommended a measure, the government have ignored it, only to have sage go the very next day to the press, crying that they have been ignored.
Within hours, they have their way.
These are whistleblowers on an epic scale, and as such should not be on the public’s payroll ”advising” the elected government.

325348 ▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to danny, 8, #156 of 1464 🔗

I agree with what you say but to call them “whistleblowers” is to give them cover for what is really self serving ecocentric pseudo scientific arrogance.

325904 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to TC, 2, #157 of 1464 🔗

Junk Science.

325323 ▶▶ Annie, replying to danny, 11, #158 of 1464 🔗

No problemo in Gulag Wales. All exams cancelled. Nothing to get up for.

325301 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 31, #159 of 1464 🔗

In order to remain In power the dictatorship has resorted to threatening our children and grandchildren

Hopefully it will be the rock they perish on

325435 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 5, #160 of 1464 🔗

History of Moloch and Baal Hammon are against that hope. We had already mortgaged our grandchildren’s future to pay for current spending before the latest insanity.

325305 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 37, #162 of 1464 🔗

Welcome back children. I hope you had a good Christmas. This term were going to learn about the joy, meaning and purpose of life.
But first. Masks on. Keep 2 metres apart. Get tested. Fuck off and hide.

325370 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to PatrickF, 6, #163 of 1464 🔗

And make sure you open the window to blow the virus particles (?) away.

325313 RickH, replying to RickH, 27, #164 of 1464 🔗

Another early waking.

But I am surprised to see this :

the recent rise in daily cases” as the rationale for an examination of lockdown measures

We know that the terms ‘cases’ and ‘infections’ are meaningless in this context. To summarize the late Kary Mullis re. the misinterpretation of PCR+ results : “Seek and ye shall find”.

… and what do we have? Yet another Scary Fairy tale – of mutant deviants – again at the point where the justification for the vaccination sweepstake (‘loads o’ money’) was stalling.

We’ve seen the blueprint for exaggerated hyperbole in the Swine ‘flu debacle.

So why take the consistently failed modellers as having something serious to say?

However you smell it, bullshit is bullshit.

325324 ▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 22, #165 of 1464 🔗

Whether you agree with the scale or not, I think it exaggerates the numbers by a factor of ten, the Zoe app and the ONS Survey have been very good indicators of the trend in positive cases. Zoe shows the trend levelling off and the ONS has stopped reporting the results of its survey because it doesn’t fit with Ferguson’s bullshit. There was a disturbance to the endemic equilibrium in the south east, emanating from nosocomial transmission in the prisons on the isle of Sheppy. The herd’s immunity has absorbed the temporary rise in numbers and now cases are falling back. Lockdown has to be seen to be the reason for this natural occurrence because the alternative is that the UK has destroyed itself for zero benefit.

325314 John David, replying to John David, 20, #166 of 1464 🔗

I found an interesting academically led YouTube podcast called This Week in Virology which has been running for quite a number of years. Obviously, in recent times, they have concentrated on the issue of the covid virus. There’s some interesting things to be said here regarding the recent two variants of Covid 19.

They discuss the statements made in the public domain by Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson and others regarding the alleged increased infectivity of this virus (71%) and make it clear that this needs to be treated with a considerable caution. Moreover, the allegation that this variance may lead to more young people being infected seems to be currently without any scientific validity.

Second, they discuss the findings of the NERVTAG meeting minutes and PHE briefing. Again, like most thorough academics, they make the point that more data is needed.

Therefore, my take from this is that the current hysteria from the mainstream media regarding these so called mutant viruses is sensationalist and without any current scientific rigour.

The bottom line is that viruses have variance in their protein coatings and this is normal in their evolution and doesn’t necessarily mean anything particularly sinister. It certainly needs to be watched but extrapolating disaster from such limited findings is unhelpful.

https://youtu.be/o6qD1EO1T9c

325334 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John David, 17, #167 of 1464 🔗

the allegation that this variance may lead to more young people being infected seems to be currently without any scientific validity.”

… as is almost everything said about this variant – and others.

I have not seen any response to Carl Heneghan’s blunt call for evidence – only fiction based on the mathematical modelling of windy assumptions.

325349 ▶▶ TC, replying to John David, 6, #168 of 1464 🔗

The “70% transmissibility” is now reported as fact by the press and that Independeent SAGE also advises the Government (is it not bad enough the appointed SAGE is so appalling without self appointed “experts” putting their oar in.
One of their “Doctors” was advocating Tier 4 for all the country – all this in one articke by the DM.
The doctor in question is a director of a racial equality organisation;her knowledge is what exactly?
Do journalists really care about any standards they should be keeping,any conscience – sorry stupid question – let’s leave it as rhetorical.

325368 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to John David, 22, #169 of 1464 🔗

Anybody reading the predictions in today’s update must be stunned by this mathematical modelling. They have put in the parameters they wanted and are now proud over the results.You cannot factor in anything with that certainty and even less feed it into their models.

UK does 50 times more sequencing than any other nation. An enormous bias.
This variant has been around since Sept in all over the world.
This variant has a mutation also affecting ORF8 which can indicate less pathogenicity.
Only the UK scientists have found any preponderance of the strain in the UK.Other countries have not even bothered.
All previous investigations have not found that it became the predominant strain in other countries
Even pro vaccine lobby admits that vaccine might not protect against transmission of C-19
Leading virologists have said that you need culturing the virus from this strain and comparing it to other strains before you can assess if it is more transmissible.

In short there are so many variables in the equation that it would be utterly delusional if you can predict anything with these variables and many contradict each other.

 This must be the final proof that you cannot make any predictions with the knowledge we have at the moment. The prediction is not worth the paper it is written on. Any government guided by this will commit a public health catastrophe like school closures.

325394 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to swedenborg, 6, #170 of 1464 🔗

Thank you Swedenborg. This makes me feel so much better.

325416 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to swedenborg, 4, #171 of 1464 🔗

Thanks again for your strong refute of this.

Additionally, do we know anyone that can look at the code? It’s available to see in raw.

325488 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to swedenborg, 4, #172 of 1464 🔗

To be fair the human immune system is pretty good at cross recognition of coronaviruses.- this has been known for a while.
Anything else is bio-weapon territory which isn’t helpful

325316 danny, replying to danny, 58, #173 of 1464 🔗

What really astonishes me now is the way that Boris is strutting around claiming victory over Brexit, whilst the entire country is under actual and psychological house arrest, hospitals are all but closed, elderly people in care homes have in some cases been in criminal isolation and alone since March, businesses are failing by the day and a masked up public are too infantilised to step outside.
I voted remain and believed at the time it to be the biggest political event of my life. But now? Who cares right now?

325319 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to danny, 62, #174 of 1464 🔗

So agree. I couldn’t give a damn about Brexit right now and I voted to leave. Destroying civil society and the economy renders Brexit nothing but a tiny blip on the radar of our nation’s history.

Perhaps he really believes that we are that stupid to share in his so-called victory. I have never loathed a political leader as much as I loathe the current incumbent of No.10.

325322 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 8, #175 of 1464 🔗

God, you should try Joseph Stalin Dungford.

325338 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 6, #176 of 1464 🔗

Fair point, yes, small mercies …

325525 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 3, #177 of 1464 🔗

We are living through the worst period of government since William the Conqueror.

325331 ▶▶ RickH, replying to danny, 14, #178 of 1464 🔗

I’m another who voted ‘Remain’ – not for any particular love of current EU institutions, but because Brexit was obviously a disruptive irrelevancy in the great scheme of things – based on making money for the few and delusion for the many..

Little did I realize just how quickly the irrelevance would emerge in comparison with the reality of global financial and power structures. The image of Nero and his fiddle would be an appropriate Brexit symbol in terms of ‘control’, with key opportunist Brexiteers currently leading the parade in honour of the totalitarian state.

Currently, I’m getting no satisfaction at all from being proved right.

325590 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to RickH, 10, #179 of 1464 🔗

There are just as many people on the remain side of the camp who support lockdowns. How can you say you have been proved right?

I voted leave because I didn’t agree with supranational governments as I seen it as mission creep toward NWO (conspiracy loon that I am). I could just as easily say I am being proved right by the day.

326049 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #180 of 1464 🔗

The dude’s a socialist so he’s always right.

325332 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to danny, 22, #181 of 1464 🔗

Mention of Uberfuhrer Boris put me in mind of Kryten’s defence speech when Rimmer was on trial in Red Dwarf;

he was a lowly grease monkey… a zero… a nothing… a piece of sputum floating in the toilet bowl of life. Yet he could never come to terms with a lifetime of under achievement, his absurdly inflated ego would never permit it. He was like the security guard on the front gate who considers himself head of the corporation……
A man so petty and small minded that he would while-away the evening sewing name-labels onto his ship issue condoms. A man of such awesome stupidity, an over zealous trumped up little squirt….. an incompetent vending machine repair man with a Napoleon complex…
Who would permit this man, this joke of a man, this man who could not outwit a used tee-bag, to be in a position where he might endanger the entire crew? who …. only a yoghurt!

325352 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #182 of 1464 🔗

I like that but it could apply to so many.
Red Dwarf as an allegory for political commentary – priceless.

325427 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TC, 4, #183 of 1464 🔗

He’s Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer
More reliable than a garden strimmer

325433 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #184 of 1464 🔗

the sad thing is that Johnson believes he is Ace Rimmer .

325925 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to mj, #185 of 1464 🔗

Wrestling alligators in midair?

325924 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #186 of 1464 🔗

Red Dwarf thirty years ago –
Season 4 Ep 02 – D.N.A.
30 years later mRNA

325922 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to TC, #187 of 1464 🔗

Season 4 Ep 02 – D.N.A.
30 years later mRNA

325361 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to danny, 16, #188 of 1464 🔗

I voted leave but regard the whole business of Brexit as a distraction from the problems caused by this governments lockdown policies.

326317 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to karenovirus, 3, #189 of 1464 🔗

One wonders, though, just how coincidental it is that a phoney pandemic has intersected with the exact crunch time of Brexit and the US elections. Clearly as some have admitted here, the chaos has created apathy toward those two outcomes. It rather provides a perfect cover for the overturning of those two much hated vote outcomes for the elites. Food for thought.

325406 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to danny, 16, #190 of 1464 🔗

I voted Leave, but Brexit is now a total sideshow.

325882 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to danny, 7, #191 of 1464 🔗

Absolutely agree. His triumphalism while the country (and the rest of Europe) is being destroyed is obscene – and I am a Brexiteer.

325915 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to redbirdpete, 4, #192 of 1464 🔗

Vain egomaniac. A typical politician.

325325 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #193 of 1464 🔗

Very interesting, all too brief, discussion yesterday on the likely consequences of this governmental ineptitude that plumbs depths in this country not seen, arguably, since the eighteenth century.

Beyond dispute is that there are various ‘clever clogs’ out there hoping to use this debacle to advance their zany ideas.

The peril lies in the political law of unintended consequences, seen recently at its most hilarious (though not if you live there) in the labour party’s attempt, via devolution, to arrange power for themselves in perpetuity in Scotland.

Maybe: ‘A certain butterfly is already on the wing’ (Nabokov)

‘…..coercion was used in many cases to “encourage” the collectivization of rural areas and private property was probably taken by force in urban areas as well. The revolutionaries also never entirely took full power in the areas they controlled. In Barcelona, the city with the most significant anarchist presence, at least 25% of the economy was always outside of syndicalist influence. Rates were higher in other areas. As the revolution only lasted ten months, questions on how the society would have continued to develop remain unanswered.’

https://bigthink.com/scotty-hendricks/what-happens-when-anarchists-run-a-country-history-has-an-answer

You never know……it might work…….

325350 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #194 of 1464 🔗

A sudden thought: if you accept that the NHS is currently running the country, then it could be argued that an anarcho-syndicalist revolution has already taken place…….but not a bloodless one……

325423 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #195 of 1464 🔗

Very good! No indeed, Moloch demands a steady supply.

325484 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #196 of 1464 🔗

The NHS is the pretext for the fascist coup that has taken place.We are in the stage where the regime cements its power

325928 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to jonathan Palmer, #197 of 1464 🔗

The NHS is just one member of the Global Public Health Network.

325326 MikeMayUK, replying to MikeMayUK, 17, #198 of 1464 🔗

Remember how, as kids, if a friend passed you something to eat or to drink from you’d blow on it to “blow the germs away?” Now, in the latest scientific advice for gathering in the home, we’re being told to open the windows to blow the Coronavirus particles away.

It’s science, Jim, but not as we know it.

In other news, we investigate alchemy as a possible method for turning media hysteria into CoVID-19 Vaccine.

325327 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to MikeMayUK, 1, #199 of 1464 🔗

Yes I keep hearing that strange advice. Incredible nonsense.

325336 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to MikeMayUK, 4, #200 of 1464 🔗

Funny you should mention alchemy. A few months ago I commented that the ‘science’ around all this put me in mind of Ben Jonson’s play The Alchemist.

325380 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 14, #201 of 1464 🔗

Read The Alchemist many years ago. Can’t remember anything of it.

The ‘science’ and ‘use of evidence’ around this shitshow reminds me very strongly of 17th-century witch-hunting. The same mix of paranoid fear, confirmation bias, victimisation, cowardice, moral righteousness, all driven by underlying low-level gnawing guilt and insecurity.

325388 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 2, #202 of 1464 🔗

Worth a re-read TJN. Ben Jonson – piss-taker par excellence!

325417 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 2, #203 of 1464 🔗

Newton was an alchemist too, seems strange but then he got caught by South Sea bubble. Genius close to madness.

325951 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #204 of 1464 🔗

Wow, loads of alchemy students all of a sudden. 🙂 Can only be good.

Newton’s remark on astrology seems relevant.

326023 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #205 of 1464 🔗

The South Sea Bubble is another mania which reminds me of today.

The thing is with these manias – eventually they burn themselves out. Eventually.

326319 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to bebophaircut, #207 of 1464 🔗

Yes, I know of the Hugh Trevor-Roper book but have never read it. I read parts of Keth Thomas’s Religion and the Decline of Magic many years ago. But it particular I’m thinking of the Bideford (1682) and Salem (1692-3) witch trials, the transcripts and various studies of which I read in detail at the same time.



We like to think we are more enlightened, and maybe some of the human race is. Most are the same, or perhaps even worse, than their 17th-century counterparts though.

325346 ▶▶ chaos, replying to MikeMayUK, 4, #208 of 1464 🔗

I have never seen anyone blow on shared drink or food – though I have seen people wipe the top of a bottle or can when sharing. Alchemy became chemistry – nuclear power stations can make gold.

There are 2kg of bacteria in us and on us. Mostly in our lower intestine. Mice bred without these bacteria act differently, recklessly. Most of our serotonin is made in our guts by bacteria.

Bacteria are not viruses. Viruses are much cmaller. And viruses are not alive.

325366 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to chaos, 1, #209 of 1464 🔗

Someone asked me about that a while ago
”How.much is 2kg of bacteria ”
I clenched my fist and replied ‘about a fistfull’

325422 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to karenovirus, 3, #210 of 1464 🔗

you should have said “about 4lb 6 1/2 oz” – something meaningful

326039 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, #211 of 1464 🔗

A new Clint Eastwood movie.

326151 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to karenovirus, #212 of 1464 🔗

Someone said it was about the size of a human brain.

My reply “That explains dieticians then”

325426 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to chaos, #213 of 1464 🔗

2kg of bacteria? How was it calculated?

325487 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #214 of 1464 🔗

Presumably removed from a cadaver and weighed.

326145 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #215 of 1464 🔗

Kill all the bacteria (temporarily) and weigh the person before and afterwards. I have found the weight to be closer to 2 lb, but allowing for not getting all of them, it could be a bit more.

325519 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to MikeMayUK, 2, #216 of 1464 🔗

It’s science religion, Jim, but not as we know it.

325330 MikeMayUK, replying to MikeMayUK, 7, #217 of 1464 🔗

Not a natural conspiracy theorist here, but knowing that an ignorant population is a pliant population, I might be persuaded that the government is less keen that they might seem to be when it comes to getting our children back to school.

Kind of reminds me of the “no representation without taxation” episode of The New Statesmen all those years ago.

Maybe, to counteract all the false information (newspeak for verified facts) out there, and to compensate for all the closed schools, the government can set up some sort of extra-mural organisation for our kids – a sort of CoVID Youth, with uniforms based on PPE. Naturally, they’d all be masked.

325359 ▶▶ TC, replying to MikeMayUK, 7, #218 of 1464 🔗

CoVID Youth or Hitler Youth?
An historian depressingly delved into the workings of a German Reserve Police unit in WW2 (a murdering unit) and found,IIRC,about 10% were zealots,10% would absent themselves when “wet work” as the Sovs called it was to be done but the vast majority just got on with their job.
When people complain of the “sheeple” or “zombies” think of that 80% and their real belief in the Nuremberg Defense – “We just followed orders”.

325385 ▶▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to TC, 4, #219 of 1464 🔗

I agree.

We all like to think we would have opposed Hitler. That is easy to say from today’s perspective and it is physically safe plus morally advantageous to do so.

How many of us would truly have been Sophie Scholl?

325403 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Stephensceptic, 10, #220 of 1464 🔗

The events of the last 9 months have shown how scarily easy it would be for a proper totalitarian state to take hold.

325415 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Now More Than Ever, 4, #221 of 1464 🔗

Yes, the fragility of all we thought we had. Almost unbearable to contemplate, fortunately not for too long in my case (just passage of time, nothing more sinister).

325472 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Now More Than Ever, #222 of 1464 🔗

And this is not a proper one?

325491 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #223 of 1464 🔗

This is one.
It is Coronunism

325622 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Stephensceptic, 2, #224 of 1464 🔗

There are many things to consider when we are being controlled in this way. My first thought goes to my young dependent child, who would not want to be without her mother. I’d do things I would not be proud of to protect her and keep her safe. I do however, take a lot of action, but I cannot claim I am or would be 100% doing the right thing, some things do compromise us.

I’ve started reading Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl. In here it talks of prisoners in the concentration camp doing what they need to do for themselves. Very few are able to be completely selfless.

325516 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to MikeMayUK, #225 of 1464 🔗

‘Covid Youth’ – Chilling.

I don’t suppose Boris and his mates read lockdownsceptics but you really shouldn’t put such ideas into his head!

325930 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Old Bill, #226 of 1464 🔗

Boris ? mates ? Come on OB, you’re perpetuating the ‘cuddly’ image.

He’s Johnson, and he has minions/advisors/apparatchiks/handlers.

325333 Stephensceptic, replying to Stephensceptic, 37, #227 of 1464 🔗

Really like the James Alexander piece. It seems a very good perspective on what is really going on here, in historical / sociological terms.

If I understand it correctly: the Covid situation scared lots of people and this has led the political / elite class to put in place a kind of Benevolent Dictatorship. In this process, the populists who have been rebelling against politically correct culture have ended up being disarmed. They have been scared by Covid too and have put their trust in the political, scientific and media elite to “protect” them. The state is then the only institution in town in a world where religion has declined, trade unions are no longer a force and charities, universities, scientists etc. are largely funded by it.

For me, this is almost the definition of fascism, which is the fusion of state and society; with independent power and idea centres oppressed.

in such a situation, war is often used by ruling elites as a way to create unity and stay in power. This is even if that is not the root cause of the war. This current situation feels increasingly analogous to war: the one issue perspective, the urge to win at all costs, the unwillingness to consider alternatives, the doubling down on failed policies with the mantra that we must not give up, the refrain that previous sacrifice must not be vain, the stoking up of fear if one does not toe the line, the general authoritarian approach and the appeal to moral righteousness as justification. There is also the carrot of victory that never quite comes in the shape of the vaccine.

How do we get out of this mess? I fear it is not amenable to rational debate.

325378 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stephensceptic, 14, #228 of 1464 🔗

johnson is still trying to present himself as the new Churchill and this requires him to pretend Covid is the equivalent of WW2.

325682 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Stephensceptic, 1, #229 of 1464 🔗

I was just about to post the same sort of comment, but thought I would check if someone had already posted. Totally agree with your thoughts. It is not open to rational debate, its a state sponsored ‘religion’.
I am struck by how writers of 100 years ago, such as Wells and Forster saw this clearly as a likely destiny of society. If Preset is followed by Reset, then Well’s vision of ‘elios’ and ‘morlock’ will be complete.

325339 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #230 of 1464 🔗

Somebody in the Daily Mail now pushing the new definition of herd immunity from the WHO.

“Herd immunity will only be reached when 70% of the population have been vaccinated.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9094381/Only-eight-cent-Britons-definitely-refuse-vaccinated-against-coronavirus.html

325344 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Richy_m_99, 10, #231 of 1464 🔗

The official narrative is now vaccine, vaccine , vaccine, The Head of the NHS was quoted as saying that the NHS would only be saved when all the vulnerable and elderly have been vaccinated. People you talk to are only prepared to discuss getting the vaccine so that this can all end ………they wish?

325393 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #232 of 1464 🔗

Blimey, almost makes me nostalgic for Track’n’Trace.

325463 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 3, #233 of 1464 🔗

Track and trace was a conditioning exercise to prepare us for the digital vaccine passport

325441 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #234 of 1464 🔗

If they wanted to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed they would vaccinate the staff and solve the staffing crisis (if the vaccine actually works) but the NHS won’t take the vaccine in anything like the numbers because they know most of them don’t need to take the risk of taking an emergency vaccine.

326047 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Steve Martindale, #235 of 1464 🔗

The Hydra Head of the NHS.

326075 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #236 of 1464 🔗

It’s when all the old and vulnerable have been eliminated.

325372 ▶▶ John David, replying to Richy_m_99, 23, #237 of 1464 🔗

Herd immunity is a known biological phenomena and it can be obtained with or without a vaccine. It’s also dynamic which means that it can change over time. Therefore, statements that 70% of the population have to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity is misleading. Quite a number of the population probably are already immune to covid-19. Some of these people have acquired immunity by contracting and recovering from covid-19. Others are immune via cross immunity to other covid related viruses. I’m certainly not against vaccines being an important component in public health but these kinds of messages are basically misleading. The only reason the World Health Organisation have change the definition is for political reasons.

325414 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #238 of 1464 🔗

I am currently reading “the compatibility gene”, where the genes that code for the immune system are discussed. Apparently not everyone has the same protection against pathogens, there are too many for each of us to do this because the immune response would be spread too thinly in each person thus providing a compromised response. Instead, different people have subtly different immune systems, so there are some pathogens that some people are susceptible to more than others, by doing this the immune response is more able to defeat the pathogens, this is effectively the community immunity approach within our natural non vaccine physiology. This varies across populations and across ethnicities depending on the pathogens in each environment.

325399 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #240 of 1464 🔗

Spain is creating a list of those refusing the vaccine and passing it to other EU countries.
Army being brought in to help with testing of children.

325341 chaos, replying to chaos, 24, #241 of 1464 🔗

Boris was never brave
And his father hit his mum
Both liked to fuck the ladies
But not their childrens mum

To Eton and to Oxford
Like all our leaders do
A narcissist with 7 kids
And Princess Nut Nut too

325369 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, 3, #242 of 1464 🔗

Wonderful. Very reminiscent of William McGonagall.

325409 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #243 of 1464 🔗

Beautiful Railway Bridge of the Silv’ry Tay!
Alas! I am very sorry to say

325553 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #244 of 1464 🔗

His very best poem.

325347 alw, 32, #245 of 1464 🔗

Friend’s husband who is a truck driver said testing of those waiting to cross channel was an absolute nonsense and completely unnecessary.

GP friend said many elderly refusing vaccine and as government does not want to waste it is being offered to anyone else who wants. Still not many takers. So much for the 1 million people a week to be vaccinated.

325351 TJN, replying to TJN, 3, #246 of 1464 🔗

Is there any way of getting back to your original user name?

When I go on the profile it says you can’t change your user name, but if I try to re-register it says my email address is already registered.

Life can be so tough sometimes.

325354 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to TJN, 6, #247 of 1464 🔗

Change the nickname in profile and then choose it from drop down tab below. I change mine daily to reflect the number of days since 23 March

325362 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 6, #248 of 1464 🔗

Ta – done it! Probably the only thing I’ll achieve today.

325353 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #249 of 1464 🔗

Why does Boris actually talk stuccoto like he has been mix edited by cassette boy?

325405 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to chaos, 1, #250 of 1464 🔗

Copied from Obama?

326714 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to chaos, #251 of 1464 🔗

Stac•ca•to stə-kä′tō►

  • adj.
  • Cut short crisply; detached.
  • adj.
  • Marked by or composed of abrupt, disconnected parts or sounds.
  • n.
  • A staccato manner or sound.
325355 karenovirus, 1, #252 of 1464 🔗

Re the University of Michigan’s cancelled words

Sugartits appears to be safe for now

(h/t Alex Belfied).

325358 PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 10, #253 of 1464 🔗

James Alexander does not cover it. These oppressive strategies were set in motion long ago. For instance, this Rockefeller Foundation paper from 2010.

http://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller%20Foundation.pdf

This is the Great Reset already described in all its devious detail.

Pharma have been flexing their muscles over information control since 2017:

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3099/rr-5

Why does it look chaotic? Because life is messy, the narrative they have created in which all liberty is finally sucked away is not one which unfolds cleanly: they keep on having to plug the gaps.

325410 ▶▶ jb12, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 3, #254 of 1464 🔗

According to some, these groups have no actual effect in the real world, even though their plans from 10-20 years ago are unfolding right before our eyes. All of this – lockdowns, cases, variants – is an extension of the idea of ‘kill the filthy plebs’ aka ‘climate change’.

325419 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to jb12, 2, #255 of 1464 🔗

It was just an excuse to up the threat level which is all they do every time enough of public looks as it’s getting fed up.

325371 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #256 of 1464 🔗

Typical media covid propaganda

1 Headline, person dies of covid

2 Publish a photograph which suggests the person who died is a young person (in reality he was 64)

2 Late in the article mention the fact that he had e coli, which is far more likely to have killed him than covid

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/beloved-father-popular-cardiff-rugby-19530875?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Still, we need to get those advertising revenues coming in

325384 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 17, #257 of 1464 🔗

I had to turn talkRADIO off last night as one caller was talking about someone he knew who had died of COVID. Apparently, this chap – in his 80s – was due to have the vaccine the following week. Cue the presenter (James Max) putting on a sad face and saying something along the lines of “if only he had had the vaccine …”

325404 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 7, #258 of 1464 🔗

Local story, 82 year old survived three lots of cancer and stroke but succumbed to nosocomial C-19. Odds not good obviously but the irony of the final outcome is striking.

325428 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, 8, #259 of 1464 🔗

i was listening around 5pm and i was so confused as the presenter was a bewetting bell-end. i know the regulars are on holiday but i would have hoped that the standard was maintained

325397 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Cecil B, 7, #260 of 1464 🔗

They really are scraping bottom of the barrel for stories most of the time when you see the examples they give of ‘healthy young people’. They must be sitting today hoping that one of the Man City players becomes really ill.

325980 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Cecil B, 1, #261 of 1464 🔗

I saw one in the DM today about an (obese) woman who supposedly had to give birth two months early because of covid – absolute bs and turns out it was pre-eclampsia. A condition which kills around 1k newborns in the UK every year but who cares about them when the mother has also tested positive for COVID 😱 😱 😱

325373 Bart Simpson, 26, #262 of 1464 🔗

Perhaps one of the silver linings of this shit show is that I can pretty much watch concerts from anywhere in the UK and the world. Over the last few weeks; we’ve streamed concerts from (in addition to London) Liverpool, Birmingham, Edinburgh, Munich and Berlin.

Two of the recent concerts we watched were from the Munich Philharmonic and Berlin Philharmonic conducted by Semyon Bychkov and Daniel Baremboim respectively. Save for the absence of an audience and the elbow bumps that Baremboim gave to the musicians at the end, there was pretty much no social distancing between the musicians and no one was muzzled as they took their seats. It was such a difference to the UK based orchestras with their craven observance of the 2 metre rule with some orchestras requiring their musicians to be muzzled up or wearing their muzzles on their way to the stage.

Not to mention that Bychkov and Baremboim are both in their 70s and looks like they’re not afraid of the virus either.

The contrast is staggering and I do wish that our orchestras would grow a backbone and fight back the government’s insane diktats. While we’re happy to watch the streamed concerts, Mr Bart and I have been reluctant to donate not only because of finances but because of what we continue to see as their cowardice and seemingly blindness to the actual reason why they can’t perform.

325374 stewart, replying to stewart, 29, #263 of 1464 🔗

Honest question:

What is the government’s rationale for the vaccine?

I’ve read the prospectus of the Pfizer vaccine and at no point does it claim to eliminate or reduce infection or transmissibility. All it claims to do is reduce symptoms for 95% of people.

If the vaccine doesn’t have an effect on infection or transmissibility, what does the government think will be accomplished?

I generally try to understand the government’s rationale (e.g. cases predict hospitalisations, lockdowns reduce pressure on NHS) even if I think it’s bogus. But I just can’t understand the rationale for a vaccine that does not protect against infection.

Does anyone at least understand their argument?

325383 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to stewart, 18, #264 of 1464 🔗

They know it’s useless, but it’s part of their ‘we saved you’ construct which will be issued in due course

325395 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 7, #265 of 1464 🔗

Yes, I’m sure that’s the plan to provide political cover for all the collateral damage and the many collateral deaths to come.

325391 ▶▶ dpj, replying to stewart, 15, #266 of 1464 🔗

It makes lots of money for a pharmaceutical company that government advisors have lots of money invested in?

325396 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to dpj, 4, #267 of 1464 🔗

Money is nice but staying in power is even better.

325392 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to stewart, 11, #268 of 1464 🔗

Serves 3 purposes: 1-Heroism. Creates an irrelevant solution where government takes credit, to the problem of viral infection and death. The sheeple won’t understand that the vaxx does nothing. 60 yrs of flu-vaxx (and other) failures and the sheeple still believe that all vaxx’s all the time work. Flu vaxx’s may help 10-30% of those jabbed. For the rest they cause injury or at best are neutral.

2-Control. Sets a precedence. The gov’t can force you to test, vaxx, do what it commands in accord with whatever it deems to be safety and the public interest. If the idea is a ‘Great Reset’ this is a mandatory step.

3-Money. Many of those in SAGE and Gov’t are/will be making huge profits from this along with their Pharma friends. Pfizer is famous for bribery. No doubt many of these ‘experts’ and Ministers have full bank accounts. A full audit of money and accounts will need to be done.

325413 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to stewart, 4, #269 of 1464 🔗

This ‘vacine’ changes your DNA it does not prevent you catching Covid, if Covid exists at all.

325481 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #270 of 1464 🔗

Agreed no point whatsoever in getting the vaccine.

325421 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to stewart, #271 of 1464 🔗

You can only claim that which you have tested in a clinical trial. The vaccine trials all started my looking at the difference in symptomatic covid cases since these are the smallest trial one could conduct (and still need 30k subjects). The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine showed a 95% reduction. So that’s what they can claim.

This reduction is most likely due to a reduction in viral load from a preexisting immune response that may in turn reduce spread. That will be the subject of larger epidemiological studies. Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence. But companies can only claim on the evidence. A lot got burnt (fined). The past four “off label” promotion. Claiming reduced transmission would be off label.

325431 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to djaustin, 4, #272 of 1464 🔗

Proving reduction in viral load, reduces infectiousness would be awkward for them, as wouldn’t that dispel the asymptomatic spread?

325494 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Wolver, 1, #273 of 1464 🔗

Precisely

Yet another gigantic elephant in the room, ignored by so-called journalists

325551 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Wolver, 2, #274 of 1464 🔗

Not entirely. Symptomatic might be a VL I’d say 10^6 copies/ml, asymptomatic 10x lower and vaccinated 10x lower still. But ultimately, proving reduced transmission reductions is a population level trial.

325437 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to stewart, 2, #275 of 1464 🔗

Its as vague as a flu jab in reality

325389 NickR, replying to NickR, 7, #276 of 1464 🔗

It’s now the 29th Dec. The latest date we have testing data for is the 22nd Feb & for test results it’s the 23rd. That’s 6/7 days old. In the meantime we’re told there’s been an explosion in new ‘cases’. It just seems very odd to me.

325400 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to NickR, 3, #277 of 1464 🔗

Dec, surely?

325485 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 3, #278 of 1464 🔗

There was an explosion in pre-Christmas testing (so they could all see Granny “safely”) with a massive backlog.

325401 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 16, #279 of 1464 🔗

From the first day I was stunned that the government had not put a lock on the mouth of their SAGE advisors. It would seem reasonable from day 1 that anybody belonging to this SAGE group advising the government would have a gag order. Broken and you are out of the group. This is not censorship. The media would have numerous other scientists, academics with super ego to interview and give their view and criticism. There would be no leakage or discussion from the SAGE group of anything decided by the government, taking or not taking their advice. If you were not happy with the outcome resign from the SAGE group.
Why did not the government do that? They have accepted SAGE members to say anything at any time.
They realized early the potential for a catastrophe whether they followed SAGE or not. They needed the public to blame others than themselves. They have succeeded 100% seeing how much vitriol for the advisors is around. The responsible for this catastrophe are still in power.

325412 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to swedenborg, 10, #280 of 1464 🔗

I don’t think those in power are really frightened right now. In fact the Johnson smirk implies the opposite. We are dealing with a deliberate failure of the entire political system – the Johnson Starmer regime is one institution in effect.

That’s not to say that a little obfuscation to demoralise the proles might not be deliberate. But I don’t think there’s a plan to blame SAGE, for the simple reason that the regime does not anticipate ever having to field any blame.

325455 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to swedenborg, 3, #281 of 1464 🔗

Sage are doing the governments bidding.It is not a case of a weak incompetent government simply being panicked into ever more draconian laws.If you think back to the start it has been the remit of sage through Spi-B to spread panic and alarm to ensure compliance.This has never changed.
We now face more stringent curbs,I dread to think what they may be,to keep schools open.

325492 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #282 of 1464 🔗

I think it’s the other way round. The government is doing SAGE’s bidding. And SAGE is following goodness knows who’s bidding!

325538 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Alan P, 5, #283 of 1464 🔗

Read the sage minutes up to March 19.One vague mention of lockdown.Lockdown was a political decision and remains so.As Swedenborg pointing out,it wouldn’t be hard to gag Sage as they are civil servants.Why are they given freedom to pontificate and spread alarm if they are not doing the Governments bidding.

325997 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to swedenborg, 1, #284 of 1464 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. I only comment on publicly available information and not to media.

325402 alw, replying to alw, 14, #285 of 1464 🔗

Well deserved praise from Mike Yeadon.
“We have decided not to appeal because Ofcom has conceded most of the points we were seeking to make. Since we brought this case, the regulator hasn’t censured any more broadcasters for challenging the official…… Covid narrative, and at the High Court hearing Ofcom’s barrister assured the judge that it would no longer penalise its licensees for broadcasting material that undermined public confidence in the advice being disseminated by the UK Government or the public health… (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1343515214185189376 )

325499 ▶▶ TC, replying to alw, 1, #286 of 1464 🔗

Excellent link and news.
Sadly,I doubt msm would report it let alone think themselves unshackeled from press reporting restrictions.
Remember how they whined about the curbs sought by the celebs over phone hacking?

325407 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #287 of 1464 🔗

The Minister on the Today Programme (didn’t catch who it was) spent the entire 20 minute interview saying in order to get schools open quicker and more widely other sacrifices would have to made though he would not specify what.

How about all tier 2 areas go to tier 3, all t3 and 4 go to t5 = no takeaway foods, delivery only. All essential shops to close 6pm -8am ie a 14 hour curfew.

Pointless obviously but they like to be seen doing something.

325449 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to karenovirus, 5, #288 of 1464 🔗

Do a Herod and slaughter the first born? In my family that would be 60 year old me.

325461 ▶▶ Janette, replying to karenovirus, 6, #289 of 1464 🔗

What exactly is Tier 5 as they haven’t specified what it involves. They are probably conjuring up what cruel restrictions they can now inflict on us!

325527 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Janette, 2, #290 of 1464 🔗

There isn’t much left to close.Maybe curfews and masking outdoors.They are 2 of the measures that have been applied elsewhere that we haven’t had yet

325560 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #291 of 1464 🔗

Probably just allowed out for an hour again and yes maybe a move on compulsory masks outside. I think the latter would lead to some violent clashes. Its one thing to insist on a mask to go into someone’s business property but its quite another to insist on it when you are outside in the fresh air where no one has property rights. I think I would find it very difficult to keep non violent if thats imposed on me…I regard that as an ultimate tyranny.

325571 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Boris Bullshit, 6, #292 of 1464 🔗

This is just about maintaining enough fear to ensure vaccine take up.I don’t think they would go for masking outdoors but then I thought they wouldn’t ban Christmas.Who knows,I think in their wildest totalitarian dreams they couldn’t believe how servile the majority of the population have become.

326124 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #293 of 1464 🔗

Yes its ironic to think that at first Johnson did not believe the British would knuckle under for lockdown. I can only think that must have been based on some mythical memory of the bulldog and Blitz spirit. Well we can now see that they are utterly dead after years of nanny state and health and safety strictures. I was in Whitchurch, a small shropshire town, this afternoon and it was like sheepsville with them all wearing them in the street and dutifully queueing up in their masks waiting to be allowed in the shop. A woman in the bakery even asked me to move into the other part of the shop so someone else could be allowed in. Not so much bulldog spirit as stinging like a butterfly and dancing like a bee!

325408 Bella Donna, 10, #294 of 1464 🔗

I’m very worried these sociopaths will now target the children for their evil agenda. Here’s a link to an Open Letter to Gavin Williamson from the UK Medical Freedom Alliance.

https://www.ukmedfreedom.org/resources/open-letters

Please share.

325418 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 45, #295 of 1464 🔗

First day back in work today (wfh) and lo and behold, someone says they’ve got a slight cold. Runny nose, sore throat, you know the usual stuff.

Then everyone else on the chat is like “ooh you’d better get tested just in case it’s covid!” What the hell is with this mentality? Where’s the logic? How would getting tested do ANYTHING to improve the symptoms?

The only thing testing achieves is to put yourself under house arrest and feeds in to the hysteria surrounding this whole mess. I had a cold a few weeks back, didn’t get tested, all that happened was I felt rubbish for a few days. Dealt with it the same way I do every year!

325456 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Elenesse, 24, #296 of 1464 🔗

If people stopped getting tested we wouldn’t be in this mess!

325543 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Elenesse, 7, #297 of 1464 🔗

Someone made a good point that the original identifiable symptoms were dry persistent cough, loss of taste or and smell. Have these been forgot about now?

Or has it mutated into the common cold? Or imo not mutated it’s just a common cold and always has been.

325701 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to stefarm, 5, #298 of 1464 🔗

It’s always been something like a cold that affects some people more seriously than others. The circumstances of coming along a bit later in the respiratory illness season after a long period of mild flu epidemics meant that it hit harder and looked more serious than it was. This was amplified by a sensationalistic media that was fascinated by the Chinese angle and then jumped on the epidemic in Italy with full-on fear porn. The Italian drama queens copied the Chinese approach of lockdowns and then nearly everyone else lost their minds….

325957 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #299 of 1464 🔗

Plus it’s not like it was mysteriously affecting people who’re Sagittarius and have a cat named Bob…it was affecting people who already had conditions that we know to shorten their lifespan 🧐

326061 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #300 of 1464 🔗

There were a lot of Chinese living in that part of Italy.

325424 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 32, #301 of 1464 🔗

Walking into a deserted town this morning in the futile hope of getting some trade, I noticed discarded face rags everywhere.

Now, if this disease is so ruddy dangerous why, as Bart has noted before, aren’t there bio-hazard bins everywhere. And also, those sanctimonious twats who so casually discard them, don’t they stop to think that some enquiring toddler might pick one up and thus infect themselves.

325429 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to kh1485, 4, #302 of 1464 🔗

They must know it’s bollocks. That cognitive dissonance probably fuels their cryptoreligious zeal.

325434 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 25, #303 of 1464 🔗

There has been also several news reports about both domestic and wild animals getting caught out by these discarded muzzles. Not to mention how they harm our environment more than single use plastics and coffee cups.

Yet nowt a peep from David Attenborough et al.

325562 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #304 of 1464 🔗

He only cares if they were emitting CO2!

326052 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #305 of 1464 🔗

David Utterbore.

325443 ▶▶ Rabbit, replying to kh1485, 10, #306 of 1464 🔗

Regarding bio hazard bins, I often speak to others about that as well. Thing is whenever I am out and about, you walk past cars and can clearly see the masks by the gear stick or hanging off the mirror. This is from what I see more common than not. Just goes to show if people were really that concerned most people would have them indoors soaking in some kind of concoction.

325453 ▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 2, #307 of 1464 🔗

Yes exactly. A very good point, one which they have missed off their plan!

325497 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 4, #308 of 1464 🔗

Walking into a deserted town this morning in the futile hope of getting some trade

Possibly, in making statements like that, it would be better to explain what kind of trade you were hoping to get?

325587 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to kh1485, 2, #309 of 1464 🔗

I’ve started finding them on my local beaches, bloody disgusting..

325851 ▶▶ DomW, replying to kh1485, 3, #310 of 1464 🔗

Some people do very kindly keep their biohazards to themselves, in some cases for a Iong time I would guess based on the girl I saw on a bus sniffing her muzzle before wrapping it round her chops

325430 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 31, #311 of 1464 🔗

As this disease is so so so infectious, using project fears own figures, how many people in the UK have had it?
By the zealots own logic, there have been hundreds of thousands of infections every week for 11 months now.
So at what point, statistically, has the whole bleeding country already had it?

325436 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Nessimmersion, 12, #312 of 1464 🔗

It’s the key blatant contradiction in their position. People are beginning to see it, even without the media’s help.

325684 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Ovis, 3, #313 of 1464 🔗

Yes, I am mildly intersted in the actual numbers though.
Take the catastrophists own numbers of how many people are catching the disease each week, given that they must have a “Ferguson model” number for that, then work out how many people have had the disease according to them, (must be at least 25 million by now)
It will be another nail in the coffin of the incwedibly dangewous disease sheep.
The more ways we can demonstrate the ridiculousness of their figures the better, its either not very infectious or not very lethal, as annual death rates are within the 5 year rolling average.

325442 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #314 of 1464 🔗

They’re working on it.

325457 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #315 of 1464 🔗

Don’t forget every care home tests occupants and staff one or two times per week.

325791 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Alan P, 1, #316 of 1464 🔗

Alan P, that is true, so the communication on tests should clearly state the number of different people testing positive rather than the number of tests carried out; if you as an individual has tested positive once they shouldn’t count any more positive tests that you deliver for, say, a year. Or, maybe include them. If Alan has tested positive on twenty different occasions this year, surely something is up?

325432 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 8, #317 of 1464 🔗

Time to think outside the box, Boris. Close all schools and Universities until the vaccine has saved us all. The empty buildings to be used as testing/vaccination centres and mortuaries and crematoriums. That will keep the disease vectors and corpses out of the NHS.

325536 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to PatrickF, 6, #318 of 1464 🔗

Or shut down SAGE without pay until it’s over.

325794 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Nick Rose, #319 of 1464 🔗

Certainly put teachers on furlough pay rather than full pay.

326132 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fiona Walker, #320 of 1464 🔗

Do they keep their 10% off at Morrisons though?

325438 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #321 of 1464 🔗

Welsh Government Press Release

‘Due to the selfish actions of others lockdown one, lockdown two, fire break one, cancelling Christmas, and tier four have failed to save our super efficient NHS

Therefore from midnight today a new life saving initiative will be introduced to stem infection rates

All inmates will be required to stay home 24 hours a day. In addition inmates will be required to be wrapped in cling film from head to foot. No mamby pamby medical exemptions will be allowed

We appreciate that in certain households this creates some difficulties (for example: how does the last non wrapped inmate in any household wrap themselves?)

To achieve our goals we require streets to form Marxists collectives in order to carry out this task. If administered as per the guidelines there should only be one unwrapped individual left in any one street

Our new ‘Cling-on’ Marshalls will be available to assist in final wrappings

Stay Safe

325445 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Cecil B, 4, #322 of 1464 🔗

I’m not cling filming my penis for anyone! I claim penis exemption.

325469 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to PatrickF, 4, #323 of 1464 🔗

For the greater good you will do as you are told

325479 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Cecil B, 5, #324 of 1464 🔗

Fair enough. I was selfish to put the interests of my penis ahead of the health of my fellow disease vectors.

326137 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to PatrickF, 1, #325 of 1464 🔗

Are you a gender fluid version of Mrs Slocombe who was always talking about ‘my pussy’!

325801 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to PatrickF, 3, #326 of 1464 🔗

I always suspected that this was just one giant fetish party. Snap those gloves on Nurse! Frown at me whilst you stick that skewer up my nose! Oh the pain, the pleasure, well worth the money. And I get to wear a mask too!

325532 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 2, #327 of 1464 🔗

Don’t give them ideas! Those they’ve already got need no company.

325440 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #328 of 1464 🔗

Having to say this through gritted teeth but the one thing that I do applude this (still pathetic) government for is that (so far) they have stood up to SAGE and the yummy mummies and daddies and various namby namby wimps who are screaming for all schools to be shut down.
I was talking to my younger (15 and in her 2nd GCSE year) granddaughter on Christmas day and she is well aware that the virus is spread by schools and school children resulting in extremely mild symptoms but knows that locking down everything is not the answer.

325446 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #329 of 1464 🔗

Can we see your granddaughters’ evidence please?

325459 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Basileus, 3, #330 of 1464 🔗

Because all the collaborating sheep tell us so.
I was being sarcastic.

325482 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Basileus, #331 of 1464 🔗

dont you mean her “working out”

325451 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #332 of 1464 🔗

Everything is spread in schools, I got measles

325458 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DanClarke, #333 of 1464 🔗

Ditto, Chicken pox.

325467 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #334 of 1464 🔗

I got scepticism.

325468 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to PatrickF, 5, #335 of 1464 🔗

Most days I got a good kicking

325476 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, 1, #336 of 1464 🔗

Know what you mean,Cecil.

325478 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Cecil B, 2, #337 of 1464 🔗

i got a detention and suspension

325475 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to PatrickF, 6, #338 of 1464 🔗

Didn’t we all? that’s why we are sceptics and can think for ourselves.

325526 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DanClarke, 6, #339 of 1464 🔗

I learned a dislike of authority. Honed ever since.

325806 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #340 of 1464 🔗

If we are to shut schools and Unis, let’s go the whole hog. There are probably, what, a hundred superstar teachers in every nation. That’s all we need if everything is online. Get your degree by watching Yale’s finest on Zoom rather than go to some second rate provincial college. The rest of the teaching profession can get their wish and stay at home. On Universal Credit. Be careful what you wish for Sir and Miss.

325447 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 10, #341 of 1464 🔗

I’ve long thought that Blair is the ‘man in the shadows’ with his close connections to Gates=Ferguson=Sage. Johnson is even taking on his way of talking and the hand/thumb movements. He is and always has been bad for this country.

325452 ▶▶ Janette, replying to DanClarke, 2, #342 of 1464 🔗

Totally agree

325462 ▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to DanClarke, 3, #343 of 1464 🔗

Nearly all former leaders get co-opted to the sinister world project. At the beginning of the episode Gordon Brown was calling for temporary world (hoho) till everything got sorted out.

325465 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, #344 of 1464 🔗

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Reply to DanClarke
Nearly all former leaders get co-opted to the sinister world project. At the beginning of the episode Gordon Brown was calling for temporary world government (hoho) till everything got sorted out.

325490 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, #345 of 1464 🔗

YouTube montage of dozens of them all spouting ‘build back better’.

325466 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 5, #346 of 1464 🔗

I suppose though we have to hope that this, along with the other stuff that Blair has aligned himself with in the past, does not go down well with the public.

325486 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DanClarke, 3, #347 of 1464 🔗

The BBC seem to hold him and his opinions in very high regard. You might have thought they would dislike an mongerer of illegal wars.

325540 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, 3, #348 of 1464 🔗

Blair is toxic
I want him right up in every ones faces 24/7
Prob too busy cottaging though

325630 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to DanClarke, 2, #349 of 1464 🔗

People like Blair sadly don’t have any allegiance to countries. He has always be a globalist technocrat who believe in an elite few having total control over the masses. Look at his institutes work, they support the mass surveillance state, AI and Transhumanism. No doubt he would also be keen on eugenics but wouldn’t admit it publicly.

325450 PAULH872, replying to PAULH872, 3, #350 of 1464 🔗

Wow. Just watched Bloomberg news and a Dr Frank Ulrich Montgomery, vice president of the German Medical Association, was advocating compulsory vaccinations along with special privileges for those that have had a vaccination. He also supports the requirement to carry a vaccination card. He argues that if people don’t take the vaccine then lockdowns will remain for years. You might be able to access the interview on Bloomberg TV. The show is Bloomberg Intelligence and it was today between 0930 and 0940 GMT.

325483 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PAULH872, 2, #351 of 1464 🔗

Fascist (Montgomery that is).

325522 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to PAULH872, 3, #352 of 1464 🔗

Old habits from the German medical establishment. Leopards and spots and all that.

325454 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 4, #353 of 1464 🔗

I sometimes think these awfully nice media people are actually telling us right to our faces how stupid we are. Look at the picture that adorns this article:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55468795

A woman who looks like a police officer stands with a face shield in front of a shop window displaying dummy heads – each of them masked. The photo is saying: “Look at all of you morons! You’re all dummies doing what we say!”

Is there any point in reading this? Oh my God! The positive tests! The cases! The cases! Based on these horoscope PCR tests. And what is the latest on these centres? Mike Yeadon reported on furtively assembled private labs staffed by Tesco shelf stackers. Has the staff now changed to turf accountants?

And the announcement of a new variant has indeed been a clairvoyant matter:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-55467491

‘The new B.1.1.7 variant has been identified as being part of the outbreak in Wigtownshire, which grew from 64 cases on Boxing Day to 142.’

I must say, I am so grateful that our scientific community is so efficient in their predictions. They said the new variant will cause a massive increase in cases. A few days later they say that the new variant has caused a massive increase in cases.

This makes news reading a lot easier. You don’t need confirmation of anything at all now. If you read those oracles on Monday about what’s happening the rest of the week, you don’t need to read anything on the rest of the week. You already read it. And it always turns out to be infallibly true.

325477 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to George Mc, 1, #354 of 1464 🔗

They took that photo at the Dr Who props dept museum.

325581 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to karenovirus, #355 of 1464 🔗

I’m sure the next one will sneak a Dalek in just to see if anyone’s paying attention.

326148 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to George Mc, #356 of 1464 🔗

I fancy a Dr Who ‘Sea Devil’ mask…I think that was in the Tom Baker era or was it John Pertwee?

325512 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to George Mc, 5, #357 of 1464 🔗

It’s so dangerous that a shitty mask made in china and sold in a crappy ‘visit Scotland’ tat shop will protect me.

A one stop shop where I can buy a novelty Nessie magnet, out of date fudge and an out of date gimp mask.

325556 ▶▶▶ V, replying to stefarm, 6, #358 of 1464 🔗

Typical of the current absurdity, apparently anything ressembling a mask is good enough, and yet still people don’t question this in greater numbers. The public are much more unquestioningly servile than I had previously anticipated.

325460 rockoman, 9, #359 of 1464 🔗

New paper by Denis Rancourt:

” Measures do not prevent deaths, transmission is not by contact, masks provide no benefit, vaccines are inherently dangerous: Review update of recent science relevant to COVID-19 policy”

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/347964673_Measures_do_not_prevent_deaths_transmission_is_not_by_contact_masks_provide_no_benefit_vaccines_are_inherently_dangerous_Review_update_of_recent_science_relevant_to_COVID-19_policy

325470 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 18, #360 of 1464 🔗

NHS Chief Executive Sir Simon Stevens says we are “in the eye of a storm”
Is that a shit storm of lies?

325474 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PatrickF, 6, #361 of 1464 🔗

That means things are temporarily quiet.

325495 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to karenovirus, 4, #362 of 1464 🔗

We’re in the heart of darkness.

325480 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to PatrickF, 5, #363 of 1464 🔗

It’s perfectly peaceful and calm in the eye of a storm

Proof if any were needed that he talks never ending shite

325537 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PatrickF, 3, #364 of 1464 🔗

We’re up to storm Bella so maybe the next one will be storm Corona

325471 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #365 of 1464 🔗

Had the misfortune to be in the same room when Mrs Awkward switched over to the BBC news.

Luckily after about 30 seconds she said “this is crap, no wonder I stopped watching BBC years ago”, switched to ITV and Central.

She lasted about 2 mins then turned the TV over to some film.

That 2 1/2 minutes raised a few points though and she asked:

  • if it takes 5-7 days to show symptoms, a couple of days to get a test and a couple of days to get the result how can this spike be due to Christmas mingling? It’s at least another 5 days away.
  • when did they start really highlighting and labouring the point that a positive tests was a “lab confirmed positive”, nothing else?
  • when did they start really highlighting and labouring the point that deaths were “within 28 days of a lab confirmed positive” and not actually from covid?

It must have been in the past few days as we’ve not watched news since the 24th and this was the first time since then and it was markedly obvious they were stressing these points.

Also she wants to know how did they get so many tests done over Christmas weekend? Everything was shut. I work as a courier amongst other things and they have contracts to take the test kits from the pharmacies and test centres to the labs – they’ve not been working, started back today.

325502 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #366 of 1464 🔗

I think we are at the point where they have just started to make statistics up.Its impossible to test and process so many over Christmas.
There are 2 options.They are old tests kept back or outright lies.
I think the government have realised that the public will believe any old rubbish they spout and with a compliant media they can say or do anything without being held to account.
The only consequences so far was the closure of the borders when they announced the new more infectious strain.Again how can they possibly know what % it is more transmissible.

325507 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #367 of 1464 🔗

I have wondered if the labs are so far behind that they are using samples that were taken weeks or even months ago or as you say numbers are being made up.

325518 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #368 of 1464 🔗

Have you seen any of these test centres? We have a very large one nearby set up by Sage themselves and it is always deserted. Despite this, they have expensive equipment on show and big flood lamps constantly beaming down to give a sense of activity. We have a smaller portable test centre parked next to my doctor surgery, again, ignored and unused by the public.

So where are they getting these ‘lab-tested’ stats on living people?

325524 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to J4mes, 1, #369 of 1464 🔗

The ministry of truth is my guess

325535 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to J4mes, 3, #370 of 1464 🔗

Silly question, is every test set at the maximum number of cycles or do they increase it until a + result is found?

i.e. test @ 25 cycles -, test again @ 30 cycles -, test again @ 35 cycles + Eureka.

So the 1 sample is counted as many times it takes to get a +.

Another question, my mate is being tested nearly every week. I ask him why? He tells me he doesn’t know but is scared of losing his job so goes along with it. My response is always ‘don’t be a twat and ask why and what they are doing with it and what sort of test is it?’

He tells me quote ‘some bloke turns up, pricks my finger, takes some blood and in a few days tells me the result’

My question is, is this an antibody test?

325505 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #371 of 1464 🔗

Apparently they’ve been hammering on about the total number of deaths now being over 70,000. Considering the dodgy way they have recorded deaths and attributed them to this scamdemic, I think it’s safe to say that this death toll is a grossly inflated figure.

If they have indeed changed the way they confirm Covid as the killer to being ‘lab-tested’, what does that mean for all the previous statistics?

325515 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to J4mes, 5, #372 of 1464 🔗

The ‘cases’ figures and the death stats are all garbage – pure garbage.

Worthless.

325517 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to J4mes, 7, #373 of 1464 🔗

They are also conflating 2 seasons into one to make the figures scarier.

325531 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to J4mes, 7, #374 of 1464 🔗

They are also counting two seasons as one, which was never done before now.

325509 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #375 of 1464 🔗

So they have moved on from
‘deaths where Covid was mentioned on the death certificate’.

325523 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #376 of 1464 🔗

“Had the misfortune to be in the same room when Mrs Awkward switched over to the BBC news.” I’ve been tempted to put the TV child lock on BBC.

What does “lab confirmed positive” mean? PCR tests go to a ‘ lab ‘, do these class as lab confirmed?.. BBC just doubling down to make numbers sound more official?

325529 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Wolver, 1, #377 of 1464 🔗

Very good point.

325534 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Wolver, 1, #378 of 1464 🔗

At this point even the Russkie propaganda over on RT is more balanced
Go figure

325577 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #379 of 1464 🔗

I know! Only ‘reasonable’ source I could find reporting the Portuguese PCR court case.

325830 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, #380 of 1464 🔗

They are quite often the best of the msm shower. I tend not to trust them much on anything remotely connected with eastern Europe though. 🙂

325608 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Wolver, #381 of 1464 🔗

Maybe it is in response to allegations that earlier in the year, doctors were able to put covid on the death certificate just because the patient had some sort of symptoms ie a slight cough etc. There was no need for a lab confirmed test?

325673 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Felice, #382 of 1464 🔗

Wasn’t that the reason for “within 28 days of a positive test” ? Now they’re using the words lab confirmed, might sound innocuous, but the media are always very careful with their wording, won’t be an accident.

326074 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Wolver, #383 of 1464 🔗

Almost 11 months.100% full of it

325473 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #384 of 1464 🔗

only 2 people, under 45 with no underlying health issues have died during the scamdemic.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/two-scots-under-45-no-19531680

From the shitty Edinburgh Live website.
Although there is a Good comment from someone about the actual cost of lockdowns etc.

325513 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #385 of 1464 🔗

…and perhaps those two people had undiagnosed underlying health issues.

Once the PCR comes back positive. nobody wants to find any other illness.

It would spoil the stats.

325541 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to rockoman, 4, #386 of 1464 🔗

Yes, I wonder what autopsies would have revealed.

325565 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to rockoman, 1, #387 of 1464 🔗

And they were probably twats. Maybe even gingers. Or Mormons.

325489 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 5, #388 of 1464 🔗

Bugger politics, Boris! Close ALL schools and Universities now. Listen to the science, you muppet. If it saves one life, it’s worth it.

325789 ▶▶ LS99, replying to PatrickF, 4, #389 of 1464 🔗

Universities are in for a day of reckoning – once students are doing the course from their bedrooms, they can surely chose to “attend” any university in the world that will have them via zoom. I predict a radical overhaul of the university sector. I’m not sure they’ve thought through the whole Covid compliance and what it might mean for them.

It reminds me of a shareholders meeting my husband attended about fifteen years ago of a company who owned quite a few local newspapers. Someone asked if they were concerned about the impact of the internet, they told the shareholders that they “had it covered” and after that, my husband sold half his shares in the company.

325821 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to LS99, 2, #390 of 1464 🔗

I’ve thought this way for a while too. Super teachers, few in number, but reaching every child through technology. They could be paid handsomely because they will be few in number, the mediocre to good having got their wish to spend more time at home, permanently. Be careful what you wish for…

326391 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to PatrickF, #391 of 1464 🔗

Close Boris.

325493 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 10, #392 of 1464 🔗

Is there any way of estimating how many of the people who are currently dying “28 days after a positive test” got his/her first positive test result in hospital (i.e. after being admitted for something else)?
If the number is high, surely that will prove this shitshow is nothing but a casedemic and make even our dumb unthinking population question the SAGE/government hysteria narrative?

325500 ▶▶ dpj, replying to PhilipF, 2, #393 of 1464 🔗

The data is available somewhere as I have seen charts of where people became infected and in hospital is usually no 1 with care homes next on list.
Does anyone on here know where that data is reported? I just did quick search but can’t find it.

325504 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to PhilipF, 5, #394 of 1464 🔗

We will never be allowed to see data like that. And it would have no impact on the idiots who think millions have already died from covid and that every positive test represents someone at death’s door. They have no interest in facts- they just want to be kept ‘safe’.

325539 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to PhilipF, #395 of 1464 🔗

The difference between new covid patients and covid admissions should give an idea of how many are catching it while in hospital, not sure how you’d get to deaths from that though.

325555 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to PhilipF, 3, #396 of 1464 🔗

It doesn’t matter while the media is so compliant.The evidence is all out there.Lockdowns cause more death and destruction but no one is listening.
Excess deaths are not out of the ordinary this year.
Those that are aware are scattered and disunited and lack any outlet or focal point with which to fight back.

325582 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to jonathan Palmer, #397 of 1464 🔗

Best way to do that would be to find someone seen as ‘politically different’ to support this website or have a wider ‘editorial board’ … anything to add gravitas.

Jonathan Sumption has voted for all three main parties so I assume supports the Centre Party, whatever that is. I don’t know anyone prominent on ‘the left’ … does it still exist? – to have ‘come out’ as a sceptic. I’m vaguely of the left but I’m having doubts where my loyalties now lie … except to liberty and a free society.

325496 Anti_socalist, replying to Anti_socalist, 16, #398 of 1464 🔗

Hi

I’ve been visiting lockdownsceptics ever since this fiasco began but this is the first time ive commented. I’d firstly like to point out as a confirmed introverted, libertarian minded, conservative liberal who would never dream of voting neoliberal Tory & despite my overwhelming enjoyment of social distancing in public, did I at any time agree with the lockdown nonsense, masks or social distancing as means to control nature a virus.

Not because we should never have abandoned decades of accrued sound science & medical knowledge in dealing with disease & epidemics. Not even because of the economy but very simply our right to freedom. I am firmly in the Jonathan Sumption camp that simply believes no one has the right to take away one man’s freedom for another man’s safety! Especially if they haven’t broken any reasonable law. Even then i’m no advocate of medieval incarceration (But that’s perhaps off topic) so really I dont feel the need to justify with facts that lockdowns don’t work.

But i have to say I’m disappointed with the denial of many of my fellow lockdown sceptics here & elsewhere in resisting the the open fact of the conspiracy that is taking place in front of your very own eyes. I’m fully on board with the notion of politicians being incompetent & only in the game to serve themselves. But the people running this s*it show aren’t stupid! There has been a steady collaborative march of nihilistic neoliberal globalism for decades, maybe even before the first world war. If this political opportunism isn’t a conspiracy to advance that goal I’ll eat a truck load of covid19 vaccines! & i dont beleive in ingesting poison in to a healthy body, pharmaceuticals have a time & place, this isnt it.

This constantly beating up people labelled as anti-vaxxers or conspiracy theorists because your afraid of the social stigma is simply adding to that social stigma. surprising for the innovator of the free speech union! (wonderful job, well done & thanks for FSU BTW) The likes of JHB who has also done a wonderful job standing against the lockdown communists. But refuses to acknowledge that the people on these communist committees sage & nerv etc maybe many things but stupid they ain’t! Why assume egotistical politicians are in control of this fraud? The catalogue of coincidental incompetence i’m afraid is just statistically impossible. It all started with the ramblings of a mad professor that has always got everything he ever did wrong! & a faulty “test” that was never meant to be used in the way it has! & From there they’ve managed to make the wrong decision at every possible opportunity against decades of scientific knowledge! It just doesn’t stack up. So Why are they doing it? Who knows, they aren’t telling me.

But the motive is clear, covid19 a relatively mild new epidemic & the perfect opportunity to advance the global warming agenda, (Whilst i’m not a full climate change denier) the Greta party is a power grab, by nihilistic neoliberal globalists promoting socialism/communism (liberal left) as a trojan horse to advance their interests with the age old motive of greed & ego! You don’t get to be a multi billionaire like Bill Gates et al without being a psychopath. The only thing these hitler-esc wannabees believe in, is power & them owning it all!

I do however find it amusing those that call themselves socialists are the greatest advocates of anti social lockdowns. And those that claim to be standing up for the underprivileged in society are actually prescribing medicine that will hurt the poorest the most. This i’m afraid like the rest of identity politics is a privileged middle class liberal meltdown & is being taken vantage of if not contrived by neoliberal globalists. We must all stand against the political zeitgeist of destroying freedom & privacy it is their weapon against christian conservative values & whilst i’m neither of those i do take my truth & inspiration from the natural world so i feel at least a little affinity with traditional conservative values. It can only end when Comrade Alexander Johnson’s reign ends! The sooner the better.

Sorry its so long.

325759 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socalist, #399 of 1464 🔗

Well we probably agree pretty closely on our core philosophy – “ libertarian minded, conservative liberal” covers me fairly well.

Doubtless we have some disagreements, most likely in the cracks where conservatism and old liberal ideals conflict. I rather doubt, unless you are very unusual, that you ever properly stood up against the similar C20th demonisation and suppression, for similar political reasons, of “racists”, “homophobes”, and patriots (English/British ones, obviously, not the usefully divisive Scottish/Welsh/Irish/anti-colonialist nationalists, of course). Happy to be corrected if you are in fact very unusual on this, of course.

But here we come up against the perennial cockup/conspiracy divide. As I’ve often pointed out, there are plenty of conspiracies and opportunist exploitations going on, all the tme and especially at times of useful crisis. The idea that there is anyone at the far cockup end of the range strikes me as a bit of a straw man – you’d have to be remarkably naive and ignorant to think that the powerful never conspire.

The very furthest end of the conspiracy line I suppose is the idea that events are managed by an organised elite of some kind, and that for instance the global coronapanic was and is planned and managed by such people, who give actual orders to people like Boris Johnson that drive day to day policy.

Seems more plausible that that end of the line is actually populated (it appears broadly to be the position of quite a few here), and it’s definitely one I find implausible. Human history has not imo ever evidenced the kind of competence that would be required.

325824 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 1, #400 of 1464 🔗

The very furthest end of the conspiracy line I suppose is …

You’d need to include aliens, demons, AI, and lizards before you got anywhere need the furthest end, Mark. 🙂

325829 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, #401 of 1464 🔗

I rather assumed “ organised elite of some kind” included such possibilities, inherently.

326685 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, #402 of 1464 🔗

The lizards are more of a rabble.

The AI machines, now – there’s an organised elite if any of them are. 🙂

325963 ▶▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to Mark, 2, #403 of 1464 🔗

I’m not sure what you mean by

“racists”, “homophobes”, and patriots

But i take my truth & inspiration from nature & my definition of true science is the study of nature. Deviant social conduct has a short life in the evolutionary process.

I would add i’m increasingly irritated with this notion Johnson was ever a libertarian, true libertarians do not seek power to control others & certainly don’t form lobbyist groups to advance a group agenda its why libertarian values never proper. Libertarians don’t have collectivist principles they’re individuals, again its why you don’t see them gathering & protesting.

Why people struggle to accept that conspiracies exist baffles me, groups of like minded people collaborating to advance their interests is the very definition of politics & politics is the tool used to manipulate societies.

The fact is this pandemic has been hijacked for a nefarious political agenda! Who knows if the tories are part of it, (i doubt it) but they’ve certainly done their usual corrupt thing of profiting from it.

326690 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socalist, #404 of 1464 🔗

Libertarians … its why you don’t see them gathering & protesting.

Say what ? I’ve been gathering and protesting lately.

I’ve never seen anything re libertarian principles that said I wasn’t to protest or gather.

325866 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Anti_socalist, 1, #405 of 1464 🔗

It’s a certainty that the state will be far larger and more powerful than any other time in history following this ‘crisis’. The already large surveillance will probably be extended to the widespread use of facial recognition technology in the name of bio security, we won’t be able to travel without health checks and our records will be shared worldwide, also an entirely state controlled digital currency is likely. All things the globalists and multinationals have long wanted – the outcome certainly looks like a conspiracy to me.

325981 ▶▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to Darryl, 2, #406 of 1464 🔗

Sadly i’m of the same thinking as Hitchens, things have gone to far, the system is irreparably corrupt, the long ago authoritarian state is rapidly sliding into totalitarian rule! Every advance in technology brings us a step closer to tyranny. I think we passed the point of no return long ago, with the digital age.

326696 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socalist, #407 of 1464 🔗

Every advance in technology brings us a step closer to tyranny.

I’ve long had my suspicions about my sonic toothbrush … 🙂

But I know what you mean.

326692 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Darryl, #408 of 1464 🔗

Powerful in some things.

Utterly feeble, incompetent, and pathetic in others.

Chin up, Darryl. 🙂

325501 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 4, #409 of 1464 🔗

Here we go then:

Spain will keep a registry of people who refuse a Covid-19 vaccine and share the list with other EU countries

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9095007/Spain-registry-people-refuse-Covid-19-vaccine.html

325503 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Old Bill, 4, #410 of 1464 🔗

They won’t be sharing it with us then ?
Diddums.

325548 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Old Bill, 10, #411 of 1464 🔗

Spain are committing suicide with this decision. The tourists industry has now truly been taken behind the shed to be executed..Fucking people ,I have no faith left.

325578 ▶▶ assoc, replying to Old Bill, 4, #412 of 1464 🔗

Pfizer have stated that people with serious allergies (I have once had an anaphylactic shock after eating shelled Brazil nuts) should not be jabbed. If I were Spanish would I go on their list?

325609 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Old Bill, 7, #413 of 1464 🔗

Oh this year I’m not off to sunny Spain, fuck off Espania.

325625 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Old Bill, 3, #414 of 1464 🔗

Still people won’t accept there is a sinister control agenda going on in the background involving the state, big tech and big pharma. They will use the crisis they have deliberately created to justify travel restrictions and unprecedented level of monitoring and control. Facial recognition technology cameras taking temperatures will become the norm.

326082 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Old Bill, #415 of 1464 🔗

Time to overthrow the Spanish government.

325506 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #416 of 1464 🔗

And Fauci and Hancock compare C-19 to Spanish flu 1918. C-19 deaths are over median life expectancy almost everywhere.

https://twitter.com/pintoproblem/status/1343725691322454019

“And when the age distribution looks like this, businesses close themselves”

325557 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to swedenborg, 1, #417 of 1464 🔗

Aspirin overdose made the Paella Flu seem more lethal – they chugged the stuff like candy

325573 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #418 of 1464 🔗

Millions died of Spanish flu wthout even being near of aspirin. This might have contributed a tiny bit in some richer places but looking at the world map it’s a gross misunderstanding of the actual facts.

325600 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to swedenborg, #419 of 1464 🔗
325743 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #420 of 1464 🔗

I knew about this suggestion of aspirin contributing to some deaths decades before this article was published. Millions died over the whole world without aspirin which was not available for most. This is a typical US perspective,interesting article but does not prove the mass deaths.

325508 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #421 of 1464 🔗

https://youtu.be/v8N-Oe2BT40

Alex Belfield, how to cancel your TV license. 7 or so minutes, rant first then helpful details after.

Relevant to LS since many times cancelling TV license has been a subject of comment.

325514 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Basics, 4, #422 of 1464 🔗

I still can’t believe anyone would pay the paedo tax to the BBC.
They have been pushing for an internet tax (payable to the arch nonces) for a while so expect the calls to ramp up now we are under martian law

325572 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #423 of 1464 🔗

Not On Normal Circular Exercise

From the days when prisoners walked in circles in prison yard.

325807 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #424 of 1464 🔗

Never knew that, Basics, nice one.

326684 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #425 of 1464 🔗

… nice one.

i.e. nonce

🙂

325521 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Basics, 3, #426 of 1464 🔗

For me the aggravating factors for paying for the bloody license is:
1. The BBC got it’s increase based upon the lie that it would continue to fund the over 75s free license. I am over 75 and it didn’t bother me, except the principle of breaking that promise.
2. BBC bias is there for all to see.
3. Before I cancelled my license, I used to watch Talking Pictures, Yesterday and sometimes Gold. All of these channels have adverts for which I am indirectly paying as well as the BBC. I don’t think so.

I don’t often feel that anything that I do on principle has any effect, but in the case of the license, I have made my point. Now, if only I could do something to have an effect on the governments policy, other than not even possessing a face muzzle.

325566 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to petgor, 2, #427 of 1464 🔗

Much of Yesterday’s programming can be found on youtube, often much more substantial lectures in replace of tv documentaries can be watched too. The lectures are often facinating in their delivery too.

YT channel Timeline seems to do a lot of tv documentaries. Time team the actual guys are just starting to produced new content under Time Team banner on their own YT channel. New digs are planned, small donations sought to avoid the tv production game – check them out.

325592 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Basics, #428 of 1464 🔗

History Bro’s and Voices of the past also worth checking out. But yea Timeline is great! Oxford and Cambridge Unions also post their guest lectures and debates.

325545 ▶▶ John001, replying to Basics, 1, #429 of 1464 🔗

Just stop paying. I did when I moved 8 years ago.

Most of what they do after that is unlawful and may be harassment. you have no obligation to do or tell them anything.

I’ll sue them when I have time … anyone know if the county courts are functioning?

325558 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to John001, #430 of 1464 🔗

Yeah, nothing wrong with what you say only some people aren’t into triggering harrasment and or later sueing.

The simole lawful way to cancel is spelled out in the link. As Alex says the license call cengres are now no longer answering all calls, unlawfully. So Alex gives the right action to take when uncontactable.

Not dismissing your own choice. Living with worry on mind is not for some. The link above puts the effective canceling method clearly.

325618 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, #431 of 1464 🔗

BBC and the mainstream media are key to the control the establishment has over the population and guilty of destroying the country in the name of Covid 19.

Can’t believe the organisation is still believed and trusted by so many even after the scandals, subsequent cover ups and damage limitation official inquires. Also how can they seriously have a ‘misinformation reporter’ attacking lockdown sceptics given their constant misreporting of important facts and figures. What ever happened to Jane Standley?

325520 norfolksceptic, replying to norfolksceptic, 17, #432 of 1464 🔗

https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/5fe9e88be1fe430ca3d7c3b1_Testing_in_schools-Education_Ministers_Open_Letter.pdf

This might have been posted before but read today for the first time and is very relevant to anyone when the pushback has to start in testing in schools and not giving consent. All of the relevant points are here – any head teacher proposing testing should be able to provide satisfactory evidence of being able to answer them. Remember they can’t stop the children from going in without a test without breaching the equalities act. Add in a request that they are prepared to confirm liability for any harm caused to the child and that should be enough for now. It concerns me greatly that the attack has now shifted to children – we didn’t fight hard enough when it was other age groups – but this has to be the point where we have to fight hardest doesn’t it ?

325575 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to norfolksceptic, 3, #433 of 1464 🔗

Thanks for that. By way of consent to medical intervention, it could therefore be rightly argued that masks and lockdown are experimental medical interventions and as such we have a right to refuse.

325616 ▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to Hattie, 2, #434 of 1464 🔗

That’s a good point as well but the exemption list is so wide effectively they are entirely voluntary already..not that anyone just reading MSM would know.

325528 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 4, #435 of 1464 🔗

Tier 134 – A brain in a jar

325563 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Hubes, #436 of 1464 🔗
325574 ▶▶ iane, replying to Hubes, 1, #437 of 1464 🔗

Just as long as it is Hangcock’s!

325633 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to iane, 2, #438 of 1464 🔗

Aren’t we lucky that he has a name which can so easily be turned into a swear word?

326091 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Silke David, #439 of 1464 🔗

Don’t swear at him, harass and taunt him. Make him feel uneasy about his decision making.

325741 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Hubes, #440 of 1464 🔗

A brain just in its own bubble.

325533 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 12, #441 of 1464 🔗

Looking forward to a New Year with more of this nonsense, I see from the Government website, daily testing;
1 May 74K, 1 June 70K, 1 July 123K, 1 Aug 146K, 1 Sep 171K, 1 Oct 264K, 1 Nov 270K, 1 Dec 312K, 23 Dec 507K !!!
More than five times the testing, unreliable testing and false positives, but the Media are all over the 40,000 cases etc. Once the buffoon and handjob get the school kids testing every 5 minutes in January, they will be at their 1 million tests a day target and we will be sat at 80,000 plus “cases” a day. In a normal year, you feel rough, go to the doctor, the doctor says its probably a virus, nothing I can do, antibiotics wont work, so go home, drink lots of fluids and take paracetamol !!! Come back in a week if still ill. Now we test everyone tell them to stay at home for 2 weeks along with anyone they have ever met ! Absolute joke.
You couldn’t make this cr*p up. If we tested half a million people ANY winter we would have 40,000 colds, flu and the like.
Now we have at least another 3 months of this farce to look forward to as they keep the economy shut down and people continue to lose their jobs. Or you can try and run your business, just you cannot have any staff as they are all told to stay at home !!!
Utter nonsense and 9 months of our lives wasted. Clap clap clap.

325726 ▶▶ Brian Bond, replying to John Ballard, 3, #442 of 1464 🔗

It’s worse than that. You missed out 1 April, when just under 12K tests were performed, so more than 42 times as many tests on 23 December, compared with the peak phase of the real epidemic!

If the %positive were to be the same, then the 4,915 new ‘cases’ of 1 April, would equate to 208,393 on 23 December!

Even the ‘pillar 1’ tests (hospital patients and NHS staff) have increased eight-fold in the same time period, so the current hospital activity statistics are also going to be skewed upwards.

So sad that simple arithmetic seems to elude so many in our political and media classes – never mind the general population.

325817 ▶▶ Janette, replying to John Ballard, 3, #443 of 1464 🔗

Why oh why are people getting tested when they have no symptoms. Before Covid if you said you had flu or something and the Dr asked what your symptoms were and you said you didn’t have any he would send you away for wasting his time!

325542 Binra, replying to Binra, 11, #444 of 1464 🔗

Lockdowns work.
Chinese authorities proved it.
A cowed population is herded from natural immunity to state dictate.

The media works.
People think they are thinking their own thoughts.

Cock ups work.
The breakdown of trust in social institutions opens the way for acceptance of their replacement.

All because ‘Simon Says’.
Where do you assign authority?
What is first in your heart?

Fear seeks protection.
As control.
The contagion is thinking, given authority to frame all else in its predicates.

Simon has a Big Stick of state enforcers.
Simon has Mob support.
Simon will protect the virus and every other pretext to herd the cowed.

Cows can be milked, slaughtered and eaten or designated ‘mad’ and piled into mass graves or biofuel factories. Cows may be replaced genetically as biomass.

Corporate capture has been underway since mass production and its supplies effectively monopolised as a means to manipulate and capture its ‘markets’ as mindshare.

Pulling off the covers to reveal the state of dependencies beneath residual illusions is not a ‘conspiracy’ but an open and active decision of force majeure.
While those behind the multiple fronts and captive agencies are not public, but use puppets and handlers, the recognition of the power being orchestrated is not an intellectual feat.

Simon Says.
Where you give your attention is where you give priority, as worthiness or value to live and be and share in.

The belief that Simon is the Lord Protector is the voice for fear.
The voice for love is not set in hate of fear, but to open the channel one has to stop giving the mind to fear-driven and fear-framed thinking.
You can still clunk-click every trip and practice the green cross code, but not because Jimmy Saville said so.

Regardless anyone else, you are being played, conditioned and reset in an image of fear as conflict and risk avoidance, set in normalised self-limitation and sacrifice.
It may come as ‘an offer you cant refuse’, but if you read it as an offer and consider in your heart, you can choose from your own terms, rather than in the framed experience.

Jesus did not stuff his disciples with ideological bollox, but inspire the trust in the Holy Spirit of discerning within the moment and the situation at hand. The mind of modelling out trends and predictions is the mind that will ‘kill itself’ to avoid catastrophe set in fears running the program.

Stickers with ‘Simon Says” can be imagined every time you see or hear some bollox, as a means to pause mental and emotional reaction and be still an instant as the heart.

You don’t need to know more than you do not WANT it.
Don’t feed the mind you don’t want – or rather grow and nurture that which you DO want.

We are in life together, but have conflicted identifications.
Happy New Year to all.

325550 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Binra, 2, #445 of 1464 🔗

Simon Says is a perfect analogy.

325546 chaos, replying to chaos, 19, #446 of 1464 🔗

Tier 5 incoming… in ier 5 you may not have sex with your wife but if you show her yours she is allowed to show you hers. Granny must not only be placed by an open window she must be completely naked and periodically doused with TCP or holy water. Children under 18 have to be wrapped up and stored in the attic. Pets to be rounded up and eaten.

325567 ▶▶ iane, replying to chaos, 4, #447 of 1464 🔗

I would laugh, but …….

325596 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, 4, #448 of 1464 🔗

Tier 5 you are not allowed to fart in the vicinity of anyone else
In fact – the Corona stasi will be issued with fecometers to pinpoint who dealt it

325621 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #449 of 1464 🔗

Will sprouts be banned?

325626 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #450 of 1464 🔗

I’m surprised they haven’t already tried covid fart cloud with the new “strains”
Must be slipping

325831 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to chaos, 1, #451 of 1464 🔗

Full body condoms may be allowed but only for certain positions.

325547 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #452 of 1464 🔗

The Nazis also conducted medical experiments on children

325554 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 3, #453 of 1464 🔗

Commies got onto that party bus as well
At this point Coronumism/ Coronatarianism is a feculent blend of the two

325570 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #454 of 1464 🔗

Feculent, I must use that.
Fecal/virulent nice !

325559 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cecil B, 3, #455 of 1464 🔗

So they say. But given how we have seen the state and its media lie about covid – how many lies were told about Hitler and the nazis? For example, Auschwitz has revised the numbers dead from the suppossed holocaust several times e.g. the often repeated statistic that 6 million died is not factually correct. I am not saying atrocities didn’t happen. I am saying governments lie and have always lied.

325781 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, #456 of 1464 🔗

Careful, some folk have an emotional attachment to the 6 million number …

325568 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 2, #457 of 1464 🔗

Medics and academics love government in crisis, it gives them reason to carry out their crazy immoral schemes.

325718 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to karenovirus, 4, #458 of 1464 🔗

It doesn’t get any more immoral than all of this. I can’t get over how I have to complete a 20-page university form to get ethical approval to interview a bloody politician (who won’t tell me anything he/she is uncomfortable with regardless of the form), but governments have been carrying out the most unethical and downright fucking evil experiment ever conducted, on a global scale, with no oversight whatsoever. I despair.

325561 fosterc, replying to fosterc, 4, #459 of 1464 🔗

New level of fear provided by the Daily Express today

Boy almost dies from a disease six weeks after an asymptomatic case of Covid.

I guess this means any illness from any pathogen can now be Covid related.

The not so subtle pretext is “do what the government tells you otherwise your children might die”

Nice – Happy New Year!

325576 ▶▶ Basics, replying to fosterc, #460 of 1464 🔗

One rare lad to have had a c19 test without symptoms seven weeks prior to the development of his rare illness. Did they prove the link to his positive covid test, did they?

325584 ▶▶▶ fosterc, replying to Basics, 2, #461 of 1464 🔗

Not sure the Daily Express quite understand the concept of cause and effect.

325685 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to fosterc, 2, #462 of 1464 🔗

Sure they do.

‘You give us some spurious cause and we will effect more hysteria’

325593 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to fosterc, #463 of 1464 🔗

Happens with influenza every single year – much more lethal to children

325849 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to fosterc, 1, #464 of 1464 🔗

Boy almost dies from a disease despite not having Covid or any actual symptoms of Covid whatsoever. They are getting desperate!

325564 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 20, #465 of 1464 🔗

BBC R2 11am news.
Senior hospital manager calling for ‘heavier than tier 4 restrictions nationwide’

to prevent Coronovirus being a Catastrophe in the new year.
Then went on to outline the actual problem = Staff Shortages (in part caused by lockdown itself).
So screw the country up even more to save the malfunctioning NHS.

325580 ▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, 10, #466 of 1464 🔗

‘Heavier’. Take a moment to consider.
Not ‘stronger’ or ‘strengthening’ or more protective than.

NHS are a serious threat to life.

325825 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Basics, 1, #467 of 1464 🔗

More knees on knecks heavier?

325583 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 7, #468 of 1464 🔗

This one is doing the rounds on social media. Save Matches

325588 ▶▶ iane, replying to Biggles, 3, #469 of 1464 🔗

Should’ve put masks on each match!

325589 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Biggles, 4, #470 of 1464 🔗

I am obviously totally thick because I don’t get it -would some kind person please explain so I can have a doh moment

325594 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to arfurmo, 7, #471 of 1464 🔗

The first 6 matches are unhealthy people with serious diseases and covid spread amongst them but match no 7 was a young healthy individual with a good working immune system so their body was able to fight it off without any symptoms so they didn’t pass it on to the other 6.
(Not sure if that’s what it’s meant to mean but it works for me!)

325595 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to arfurmo, 3, #472 of 1464 🔗

Presumably it’s some distancing propaganda – “distance” in order to prevent infections spreading, illustrated by a silly analogy with matches.

Of course, nobody in reality doesn’t understand the idea of infectious spread. I think this stuff is more about persuading the conformist majority that the dissenters dissent because they are stupid. If only they can be made to understand that diseases can spread then they would conform like the rest of “us”. And because they are only dissenting because they are (wilfully) stupid and ignorant, they can be blamed for any spread and for any “necessary” measures taken to supposedly suppress it.

325607 ▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Mark, 4, #473 of 1464 🔗

Well done Mark, the match that socially distanced saved all the others.

The worrying thing is that this has been shared 5,300 times.

325597 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to arfurmo, 6, #474 of 1464 🔗

Firebreak?

325601 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to arfurmo, 7, #475 of 1464 🔗

Glad you said that as I was thinking the same. Just noted from a glimpse at the daily mail that the speaker of the house has requested parliament not return till the 11th – what scullduggery is intended in the next two weeks that needs to evade scrutiny.

325655 ▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to arfurmo, 4, #476 of 1464 🔗

None of the spent matches can be reignited, and should therefore be free to mingle safely in match society.

325617 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Biggles, 3, #477 of 1464 🔗

But if those matches are lying on paper, as they appear to be, then just one of them lit would have ignited the paper itself as well as several other matches directly. The idiotic gesture of one match cowering at crotch height would have no impact at all. The whole lot would have gone up almost instantly. Which is actually quite a good analogy for what happened in the Spring.

325634 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Biggles, 1, #478 of 1464 🔗

And this reflects the level of analytic thought that the sheeple invest into Coronabollocks. Trivial, childlike thinking on a visible level.

326101 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #479 of 1464 🔗

Doesn’t say much for global education standards.

325640 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Biggles, 1, #480 of 1464 🔗

So performing fellatio stops Coronaviruses?

325586 Mark, replying to Mark, 14, #481 of 1464 🔗

Empty Nightingale hospitals are quietly dismantled ‘because there aren’t enough staff to run them’ – despite NHS chief warning health service is back ‘in the eye of the storm’ and hospitalisations PASSING peak of first Covid wave

  • London’s Nightingale hospital has been stripped of most of its 4,000 beds, ventilators and even signs
  • £220million was splashed on seven Nightingales which were hailed as a solution for overwhelmed hospitals
  • But only one started treating Covid-19 patients, with three still standing empty during the second wave
  • Comes as virus hospitalisations in England surged past the levels seen during the first wave of the pandemic
  • Are you involved in dismantling the Nightingale Hospitals? Email luke.a.andrews@mailonline.co.uk or tips@dailymail.co.uk

It has been very noticeable that while the DM has been one of the best this year for actually reporting dissenting information and opinion, its headline writers have been much more complicit with the panic-mongering agenda (perhaps because alarmism and sensation sells papers/gets clicks, perhaps because the government propagandists are much more concerned about headlines than content).

This headline, about “hospitalisations passing peak of first wave” is a particularly alarmist one, and one that suits the lead panickers as “confirming” their past panic-mongering.

But reading the actual content makes it clear that (surprise, surprise) this is grossly misleading. The increase is not, as naive readers of the headline would likely assume, a “surge” in people so sick with covid that they’ve had to seek hospital treatment, it’s actually just an increase in the number of positive test results on patients going to or already in hospital, mostly for other things.

The number of patients in hospital with covid is still below 20k, as it was in April, according o the figures in the article. The difference is probably that there were huge numbers of patients in for other things in April who would have tested positive but were never tested. For context, there are generally about 100-110k “general and acute” NHS beds in England.

It still appears most likely this “crisis” in the NHS is just the usual winter increase in illness, exacerbated by panic measures over covid resulting in pointless and costly “self-isolation” measures, and flow inefficiencies caused by treating covid as though it is a dangerous plague rather than a routine infection.

Since NHS staff by and large have enthusiastically collaborated with the scaremongering that has enabled this nonsense and put them in the position they now find themselves in, we should have no sympathy for them whatsoever (the minority of sceptics aside, obviously).

325599 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Mark, 4, #482 of 1464 🔗

22 again. It’s a number that keeps on popping up. 22 million vaccinate people required in UK by April said some goon just yesterday. The working behind the figures is never explained, the figures are presented one day as gospel fact then forgotten the next.

325771 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #483 of 1464 🔗

Letters in the Hebrew alphabet. The number of the major Tarot arcana.

325598 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 10, #484 of 1464 🔗

Had to nip to Sainsbury’s for some essentials, bread and booze, and still surprised that as the normal one I’m the one that gets stared at.

Its quite hilly where we are and there had been half an inch of snow and no grit on the road, presumably the gritter was isolating. I managed to weave past the stranded wheel spinning cars in the old 4×4, passing the long lost gritter on the way into town.
Half an hour later and the grit had given traction to the stranded and the road was clear.

Maybe a bit of grit is required for the bedwetting population……

325677 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Major Panic, 3, #485 of 1464 🔗

presumably the gritter was isolating

Great idea for a Bob Moran cartoon that.

325602 Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 4, #486 of 1464 🔗

20 -26 Dec. 8% overall increase in triage (lower than mid-Sept) and 5% increase in ‘cases’:

https://digital.nhs.uk/dashboards/progression-full-width

Fairly normal figures for this time of year?

325610 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), #487 of 1464 🔗

This is a good data set for historical comparison at a fairly granular level (daily by hospital)
I was looking at A&E diverts comparing 2016-17 with now and there doesn’t seem to be a lot of difference.

325614 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to Andy Riley, #488 of 1464 🔗

Also the numbers of cases around the Christmas period seem fairly low in all regions I have looked at so far:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/downloads/csv/coronavirus-cases_latest.csv

325604 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 23, #489 of 1464 🔗

One of the (intentional) side-effects of raising Tiers is it makes restrictions that hitherto seemed draconian seem more reasonable. So a return to Tier 3 will feel like a blessing. Tier 2 will be a utopia. It normalised the abuse. Of course Tier 0 just becomes a relic of a reckless past.

325611 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 10, #490 of 1464 🔗

Indeed

I was of the view for a while that the intention is for Tier 1 to be the New Normal, but I suspect it will be more like Tier 2 – masks and distancing forever, no more crowds, no private socialising

325612 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Achilles, 10, #491 of 1464 🔗

“Tier 2 will be a utopia” if this is utopia I don’t want to live in this country anymore.. How do I claim asylum?

325797 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Wolver, 2, #492 of 1464 🔗

Wolver , your question should be not “how—” but “where—” If you find the answer please let us know. There are millions (?) of us hanging on a successful end to your quest.

325870 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to mikewaite, 2, #493 of 1464 🔗

Belarus and Tanzania?

325813 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Achilles, #494 of 1464 🔗

Drip drip drip

325615 Achilles, 22, #495 of 1464 🔗

Oops the BBC have unwittingly let some anti-lockdown propaganda on this morning in the shape of The Croods where an over protective father ruins his families lives by stopping them doing anything that could result in harm. Of course the difference is he’s doing it because he loves them but the daughter did sum it up. “This isn’t living it’s just…not dying”.

325619 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #496 of 1464 🔗
325663 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #497 of 1464 🔗

Its a good graph this, the superimposition of the last daily figures onto the average with contrasting colours is much easier to understand than the more normal separate lines.

325620 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 18, #498 of 1464 🔗

It’s amazing now the amount of time sthat when giving out reasons in the MSM news interviews that “staff shortages” is cropping up at the end of the list of reasons why the NHS is being overwhelmed.

Me thinks that cracks are showing.

325628 ▶▶ John001, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #499 of 1464 🔗

Well, there’s B****t … and there’s all this self-isolation on basis of a faulty PCR test … and don’t forget that a 2016 ‘pandemic preparedness’ report called for higher NHS funding and was binned. Hunt was in charge then.

325648 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to John001, 8, #500 of 1464 🔗

Vast amounts are pumped into the NHS management system. It’s not a shortage of taxpayers’ money that afflicts the NHS. It’s good old-fashioned public sector waste, incompetence and arrogance.

325689 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #501 of 1464 🔗

All healthcare systems have some waste … human imperfection, sadly. The US system is ‘world-beating’ – 18 percent of national wealth and still uninsured people can be sent home with a $40,000 bill for emergency care (hospitals are obliged to treat anyone who’d otherwise die in the street but it’s not free).

Sweden and Canada have quite good ‘socialised’ medical systems which only cost a little more than the NHS and have better outcomes (longer lifespans anyway).

325696 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to John001, #502 of 1464 🔗

FYI You have to pay to see a Dr or Hospital appointment in Swedistan

325768 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #503 of 1464 🔗

over the last 20 or so years , they have reorganised the health service so many times and every time they seem to add a new level of bureaucracy and management to control the management below them and report to the management above them .. and of course to manage the changes . .

325624 Awkward Git, 11, #504 of 1464 🔗

The ICO complaints page finally working again so submitted the complaint about the BBC refusing to supply information about any further discussions with OFCOM on the Notice to broadcasters dated 23rd March 2020 or about discussions with ministers and what to broadcast as per their charter clause with particular emphasis on Framework Agreement 2016 and the section “67. Defence and Emergency Arrangements.”.

325627 Andy Riley, replying to Andy Riley, 12, #505 of 1464 🔗

All this poring over NHS statistics is nostalgia for me as I used to work in the information team in a medium size general hospital.
I’ve just remembered a study a colleague did a few years ago on “winter pressures” demonstrating that at least in part the annual crisis figures are an artifact of shutting down hospital activity over the Christmas period. A hospital can be viewed as a complex arrangement of interlocking and dependent processes linked with queues. (e.g. for diagnostics, drugs, operating theatres, specialist staff etc). So after a period of low activity, when restarting each service point is immediately presented with a surge rather than a smooth flow. This propagates through the system causing discharge delays (output) which then eventually result in A&E queues (input).
That was then and I don’t know if hospital management has improved in the interim. And obviously staff absence due to positive PCR testing is not helping.

325635 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Andy Riley, 5, #506 of 1464 🔗

demonstrating that at least in part the annual crisis figures are an artifact of shutting down hospital activity over the Christmas period.

I think it’s pretty reasonable to assume at the moment that all of the pressures on the NHS at the moment are caused by a combination of regular winter pressure plus additional stresses due entirely to the covid panic (not to covid per se) – treating covid as though it is something other than what it is. It is a pretty ordinary respiratory virus infection now, and should be treated as such, not as though it is some unprecedented new plague. No special distancing or other measures.

When you consider the point you made about the stress on the NHS resulting just from regular holiday disruption, imagine what combining that with covid panic nonsense will do: Staff absences from ludicrous “isolation” measures resulting from meaningless “positive test results”, flow disruption and increased bottlenecking from treating covid in hospitals as though it is some kind of deadly plague, and silly, capacity destroying, efficiency negating “distancing” requirements.

325724 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Andy Riley, 4, #507 of 1464 🔗

No no no no No!

It’s because you hug old people.

325798 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Andy Riley, 4, #508 of 1464 🔗

‘That was then and I don’t know if hospital management has improved in the interim.’

I am sort of guessing that this was meant to be a rhetorical comment? but nonetheless I will reply, No it has not. This hoo-haa has shown that the NHS in its present format needs radical change. The trouble is too many people are still wedded to the idea that the NHS is the most sacred and beloved institution of all time and that it is quite right that we are all locked-down and deprived of our liberty to protect it.

325629 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 6, #509 of 1464 🔗

My local newspaper’s website reports on c in local hospital is actually a step forward for the MSM.

They state the daily numbers of additional patients during the latter half of December, as newly admitted and diagnosed in hospital.
Now, the normal sheep will most likely do not understand that “diagnosed in hospital” probably means hospital acquired. Sad.

325675 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Silke David, 4, #510 of 1464 🔗

Aha, cunningly phrased to fool the readers. One of my (many) peeves about reporting is that none of the MSM bother to tell us how many people have been tested each day, which would put the number of daily “positive” cases into perspective. For example, on 23rd December 507,384 tests were carried out, of which 39,237 were positive. On 24th April 28,225 tests were carried out, 4,973 of which were positive. Even with my rusty maths, the percentage of “positive” cases was far higher in April than it is now.

325826 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Silke David, 5, #511 of 1464 🔗

Facemasks use in hospitals is 100% compliant and yet there’s so much hospital acquired flu (sorry covid) just shows how effective muzzles are.

326360 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Andrew K, 2, #512 of 1464 🔗

It’s by no means 100%. Just attended a hospital clinic with my mum this afternoon. No problem with being unmuzzled and in the clinic itself the majority of the staff only muzzled up when they saw us there, my mum being the only patient. This was across the corridoor from a ward which was clearly covid linked based on the signs on the door

325631 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 22, #513 of 1464 🔗

I drove from North Wales to Manchester and back, to take my step-son back to university (many of his friends are going back, so I assume, and hope, they have a highly illegal New Year’s Eve party planned).

No problems travelling, by the way. These ‘Stay Home’ or ‘Stay Local’ admonitions are entirely unpoliced.

When I got home, before I announced my presence, I lurked outside the front door and phoned my wife.

“Terrible news! I’m stuck in Manchester. They’ve raised it to Tier 6 just before I could leave. All roads in and out of the city have been blockaded by the army. There’s tanks on the streets. Full quarantine. I’ve been told I’ve got to report in a quarantine hotel and stay there for 6 weeks.”

Normally she would see through my blather, of course, but to my surprise she utterly panicked, and I had to curtail my story and reveal the ruse before I could get to the ‘people turning into cannibal zombies’ part.

325667 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #514 of 1464 🔗

All part of the plan. Create so much fear and hysteria that the people will believe any old crap they are told.

325632 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 34, #515 of 1464 🔗

Well done to Mrs F, who braved Sainsbury’s, Tunbridge Wells, without a mask, this morning. The only one in the store not wearing one.

325717 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PatrickF, 5, #516 of 1464 🔗

I am sure it was a good feeling.

325800 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #517 of 1464 🔗

It was a fantastic feeling! Just makes all the nappy wearers look like complete zombies.

325812 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Liz F, 6, #518 of 1464 🔗

Remember if anybody ever challenges you about muzzles just tell them this
“I hope you live to 100 in your new faceless world” Boy does that really rattle them!

325735 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to PatrickF, 7, #519 of 1464 🔗

Indeed. Being a lone woman amongst a sea of mask-wearers is deeply unsettling.

325772 ▶▶ Janette, replying to PatrickF, 5, #520 of 1464 🔗

Yahoo join the club Mrs F

325636 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 23, #521 of 1464 🔗

The UK mutant has now been found in 20 countries, the latest being Pakistan. Given the travel bans from the UK, how did the virus get to travel to so many places in such a short time? Does it have it’s own private jet? Or, perhaps, was it already everywhere else, before Ancock gave it it’s debut performance only a couple of weeks ago? If so, what was the point of the travel bans?

325638 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to godowneasy, 7, #522 of 1464 🔗

EXACTLY!!!

325639 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to godowneasy, 4, #523 of 1464 🔗

They’ve already admitted (then memory holed) it was first noted in September.
It is alleged to be more infectious and less virulent, like nearly all viruses.

325646 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to godowneasy, 1, #524 of 1464 🔗

Never underestimate Mutant Ninja Coronavirus!

325650 ▶▶ DRW, replying to godowneasy, 4, #525 of 1464 🔗

Or its just a common step on its natural evolutionary course. Remember the similar variant in the summer linked to foreign agricultural workers?

325652 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to godowneasy, 6, #526 of 1464 🔗

Its the many thousands of other mutations, not getting the limelight, that i feel sorry for

325674 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Major Panic, 4, #527 of 1464 🔗

Yep, thry are working away tirelessly sometimes in very fit bodies where every replication is a struggle. I hope at least one of them gets some sort of New Year honour.

325653 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to godowneasy, 4, #528 of 1464 🔗

how did the virus get to travel to so many places in such a short time

Air Miles?

325643 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #529 of 1464 🔗

Rejoice at the “appalling” behaviour on Bronte beach at Sydney on Christmas day!!!

325657 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #530 of 1464 🔗

yes, selfish people cracking on with living life during the global scamdemic….

325647 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 14, #531 of 1464 🔗

For a super infectious disease its taking a bloody long time to get around.

and where has flu gone?

325665 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Major Panic, 14, #532 of 1464 🔗

It’s self isolating

325769 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Major Panic, 2, #533 of 1464 🔗

Covid is the flu of this year nothing more!

325808 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Janette, 3, #534 of 1464 🔗

does that mean flu may be being mis-diagnosed as covid19, take away PCR tests and we’re in a normal flu season

325859 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Major Panic, 1, #535 of 1464 🔗

Yes, I think cv19 deaths in Australia is almost exactly the same as normal yearly flu deaths.

325664 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bella Donna, 16, #537 of 1464 🔗

It’s time for people like Hitchens to move from analysing to activism. It would cost him nothing to announce he was going to lead a major public demonstration in central London by the end of January. Even a jail sentence would not harm his career. He should do this and call on all other prominent critics, eg Lord Sumption, to join him, Imagine 100 prominent persons leading such an illegal demo in defence of our natural human rights. It would have a huge impact.

325678 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to OKUK, 3, #538 of 1464 🔗

No need
There is nothing that can be done – these Corona moaners will never relinquish the ground that has been ceded
Collapse is the only way out

325690 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #539 of 1464 🔗

Pushback is always possible.

325692 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to OKUK, 3, #540 of 1464 🔗

To facilitate the collapse – yes
Every little helps
When the Rozzers are no longer getting paid then the worm will turn

325766 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #541 of 1464 🔗

Collapse is the aim.You can only build back better when you have destroyed what was there in the beginning

325770 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #542 of 1464 🔗

The fatal blow was already struck in 2008
no recovery from that

325792 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #543 of 1464 🔗

This is probably the most rational explanation.That the economy never recovered from 2008 and this is a Controlled demolition to protect and preserve the Class that caused all this damage in the first place.

325787 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #544 of 1464 🔗

Totally disagree, Collapse is the goal behind this C-1984 hoax. Yes we can stand on the side and say to the Covid Zealots “we told you so” but what good is that to us, when we have lost all freedoms and human endeavors. .

325799 ▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to Crystal Decanter, #545 of 1464 🔗

Do nothing and nothing gets done.
OKUK has a valid point – instaed of a large Zoom meeting a public protest in London with some “serious” names might acheive something especially if journos take on board the FSU’s concession from Ofcom.

325703 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 3, #546 of 1464 🔗

I think that is one big missing element. He’s so high profile that shouting from the sidelines, albeit very persuasively, begins to look like he’s drawn the line there. It’s important we have people with such a platform but an appearance at a protest would be massive

325715 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #547 of 1464 🔗

He has said many times he doesn’t think street protests are effective and if you look at the Iraq War demo you have to admit he may have a point

He favours writing to your MP and points out if this was done in large enough numbers then they may begin to get concerned and take notice

IMHO the only way to accelerate the return to sanity (which will otherwise take decades probably) is a massive anti propaganda campaign, though I admit that anyone undertaking it will come under huge pressure to stop

325796 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 3, #548 of 1464 🔗

Hitchens for whatever reason maintains that this is all down to incompetence.With that mindset you cannot hope to win

325651 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 6, #549 of 1464 🔗

Another from the Telegraph, comments are interesting.

More under 60s died on roads last year than those with no underlying conditions from coronavirus

Only six under 19s with no underlying conditions died from Covid-19 in England

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/28/60s-died-roads-last-year-no-underlying-conditions-coronavirus/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

325661 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to FenTyger, 1, #550 of 1464 🔗

Shold we not start adding
“known” to underlying conditions, all in the spirit of unbiased accuracy of course.

325668 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nessimmersion, #551 of 1464 🔗

definitely ‘known’.

dying of a cold is definitely an underlying condition. ‘propensity to die of mild coronaviruses’

325666 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to FenTyger, 3, #552 of 1464 🔗

These facts have been pointed out since the Summer. Unfortunately, the masses have been so brainwashed it makes no difference to their perception of risk. The terror you see in peoples eyes if you get within 2 meters of them outside is testimony to that.

The Telegraph publishes the occasional rational piece to keep sceptics on board but it is very much controlled opposition just to keep sceptics wasting their money on the paper. Remember Mr Gates gave them a generous donation to keep the narrative going.

325672 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Darryl, 1, #553 of 1464 🔗

Yes, Mr Nuki earns his salary.

325691 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, 1, #554 of 1464 🔗

The argument is always that dying with Covid and an average of 2.1 co-morbidities doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t have lived for decades more without CV19 showing up.

Of course, how they’d prove that is a rational question. Maybe some bullshit modelling or similar.

325711 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #555 of 1464 🔗

If the average age of dying with Covid 19 is 82, it suggests people wouldn’t have lived much longer. The average life expectancy of people in poor areas is much lower than 82 and I would guess the co-morbidities are pretty serious to even be acknowledged. They aren’t exactly looking for co-morbidities by doing autopsies either, a positive PCR test within 28 days means it is Covid 19.

326204 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Darryl, 1, #556 of 1464 🔗

Dont ever buy newspapers…not unless proper journalism returns…let Gates and Soros pay for them.

325654 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 5, #557 of 1464 🔗

Sorry if already posted/discussed. I have read the London School of Hygiene model paper.
On page 6 it summarises results of its four scenarios. The best fit is the first, where they assumed higher transmission, this thety proudly declare shows a strong increased transmissionability ( 56% is quoted).
They assume a number and all things being equal the model throws out the number as a result.
This thing is worse than ‘climate change’ modelling of CO2 if that is possible.
A very clear example of GIGO and now no doubt the basis of more loss of freedom.

325662 ▶▶ jb12, replying to peyrole, #558 of 1464 🔗

Do you have a link to the paper?

325681 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jb12, #559 of 1464 🔗

It’s in the article above the line posted today

325763 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #560 of 1464 🔗

Ah, I see it now. Thanks.

325658 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #561 of 1464 🔗

At least Gove now looks haunted, bloated, old and ill.

325660 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 22, #562 of 1464 🔗

Let’s hope it’s nothing trivial.

325716 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #563 of 1464 🔗

But then, NN, he’s always looked like that.

325728 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #564 of 1464 🔗

You mean worse than he normally looks? He’s always seemed rather creepy to me!

326062 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #565 of 1464 🔗

has someone just explained the reality to him

326205 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #566 of 1464 🔗

Wonder what Sarah Vine sees in him?

325659 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 3, #567 of 1464 🔗

The coronavirus outbreak in League One continues to worsen – 7 matches now off tonight!

325676 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steeve, 18, #568 of 1464 🔗

Normally I follow football. Love the game.

Now, I couldn’t give a shit.

I want everything closed down, so that the pressure blows the lid off this pot.

325700 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to rockoman, 24, #569 of 1464 🔗

Me too. I want clubs going bankrupt. Huge companies like Rolls Royce and BAE going bankrupt. I want the devastation. The fucking idiot zealot majority NEEDS TO KNOW what its new fucking normal means.

325706 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #570 of 1464 🔗

Have no fear, 2021 will deliver all this and more to the compliant masses.

All spectator sports are finished. I personally will never watch any of them ever again. They have been disgraceful collaborators all year.

325731 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Richard O, 12, #571 of 1464 🔗

It will. Yet I still hear people saying that they hope next year will be better. The economic armageddon that is hurtling our way is going to make 2020 look like a bloody picnic. And yet, they still don’t get it.

325740 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to kh1485, 5, #572 of 1464 🔗

All we can do is use our knowledge to prepare. 2021 is going to be a fatal crash landing in so many different ways. Basically the absolute termination of all freedom and prosperity in perpetuity. Millions are so profoundly brainwashed that they still won’t notice.

325758 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, -3, #573 of 1464 🔗

Basically the absolute termination of all freedom and prosperity in perpetuity.

Wow, I’d really look forward to being stuck in a foxhole with you Richard. 🙂

325765 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JohnB, 4, #574 of 1464 🔗

Don’t shoot the messenger! Or maybe do actually, if this pans out as I expect.

326677 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #575 of 1464 🔗

Messages I can deal with. It’s the presentation of their content as definite fact I have issues with. 🙂

325714 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #576 of 1464 🔗

As long as we’ve got all these WFH’S including my elder son and partner, nothing will change.

325802 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #577 of 1464 🔗

I had to look up WFH. Which is ironic because it turns out I’ve been doing it for fifteen years. I play outside though. And I won’t be stopped.

325811 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #578 of 1464 🔗

Well said, NN.

325818 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #579 of 1464 🔗

My husband and I were wfh from March until the beginning of LD2. He then went back to work full time and the kids were at school. I hate everything about it, and the fact that I am at home doesn’t stop me thinking about all the people out there suffering and losing everything because of the restrictions. I don’t understand how people manage to shut themselves off from that. How can they be so selfish and self-centred – “I’m ok, so everyone else must be”.

326213 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to rockoman, 2, #580 of 1464 🔗

Football has become a laughing stock with all the self isolating and no crowds…not to mention the absurd knee taking and cheating. It was great in the 60s and 70s but has become a parody of itself.

325749 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Steeve, 5, #581 of 1464 🔗

Those poor footballers. ‘Diagnosed’ with the greatest illness ever known to man and yet still well enough to spit roast 15 year old girls and drive their lamboghini into a lampost.

326220 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to chaos, #582 of 1464 🔗

I thought spitting was banned in football matches lol.

325671 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #584 of 1464 🔗

Given the recent interest in the UK and SA variants,
@LucyvanDorp
and Damien Richard reran the analyses on ~200k genomes. The initial results stand, we find no mutation / deletion statistically associated with increased transmission.

325679 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #585 of 1464 🔗

Absolutely unreal how Hancocks word has been taken as gospel on this.

325686 ▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #586 of 1464 🔗

The whole of Scotland being in Tier 4 is because of his lies and our useless leader being completely incapable of getting a second opinion.

325695 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #587 of 1464 🔗

health warning… I’m very angry and this post is quite strong stuff.

They started grooming the girl in March, using devious psychological manipulation, “we’re just keeping you safe, you don’t want to never see granny again, do you?” – and now it’s got to the point where they can do whatever they like to her, she’s terrified to go against any of it, she’s even colluding in it because her brain has been twisted inside out. Just when it seemed she might understand what was happening and try to escape, they introduced the New Variant, and it doesn’t even matter that it’s nonsense, her brain is so fried she’ll accept anything. The world outside is dangerous and hostile, they teach her, stay at home, obey us. Never tell anyone about this. If you do, everything you love will be taken away from you.

Meanwhile, everything she loves is taken away from her. And she nods and breathes easier.

325713 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #588 of 1464 🔗

BBC news. India.Six “cases” in returns from UK with the variant. If you thought the highest level of absurdity has already been reached the scare of mutant variant shows the contrary. They have tested six coming back with this dangerous virus. India has had officially 10 million PCR confirmed “cases”. Apart from that most likely 10-20 more infected. How many of these has been genomic sequenced in India? I have no idea but I can bet it is less than 0.0001 %. There are 12000 different variants around increasing every day. And this variant is not already in most countries? Why is only Francois Balloux the only virologist speaking any sense in this issue? This response is destroying schools and fragile international travel. As our all combined efforts to stop the spread has been in vain how can you think that even if it was confirmed more prone to spread, that anything can be done extra?

325680 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 62, #590 of 1464 🔗

Neil Ferguson measures how much snow there’s been.

325687 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Biggles, 20, #591 of 1464 🔗

That’s not fair. It could have snowed that much if we had done nothing.

325693 ▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to Biggles, 3, #592 of 1464 🔗

But isn’t that how you do science?! Lies, damn lies and SAGE lies!

325698 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Biggles, 14, #593 of 1464 🔗

Just 2 weeks to stop the roads getting overwhelmed with snow

325705 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #594 of 1464 🔗

Expect a second wave in the summer though!

325751 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #595 of 1464 🔗

salt shortages… government to import 10 million tons from russia to cope with current snowdrifts and glaciers expected in January. Councils overwhelmed . Shovel shortages. not enough to move snow and shit

325804 ▶▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #596 of 1464 🔗

Friend of Hancock gets £250 million contract to supply salt.

326313 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to PhilipF, #597 of 1464 🔗

That made me laugh out loud. We know that little shit too well.

325746 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Biggles, 6, #598 of 1464 🔗

500,000 slips and fall deaths by March if we don’t all wear ice hockey outfits.

325776 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #599 of 1464 🔗

Mandatory crampons

325954 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #600 of 1464 🔗

Well, credit where it is due, the Scottish government have removed the tax on those.

325683 flyingjohn, 25, #601 of 1464 🔗

Fight back! Do not comply!

325688 rockoman, 8, #602 of 1464 🔗

Close the fucking goddamned schools – all of them.

Training you to be a well-behaved serf in the prison yard.

325694 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #603 of 1464 🔗

This is awful. “The Science” giving a “narrative update” on mask wearing. No RCT, just opinion. If it holds sway it will inform policy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1343804157342453760

325702 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #604 of 1464 🔗

Jesus, the comments…

325899 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liam, 1, #605 of 1464 🔗

This made me laugh

325720 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #606 of 1464 🔗

Key Summary Points
 Masks and face coverings, if widely worn, may substantially reduce the spread of COVID-19.
The benefits of mask wearing seem to outweigh the harms when COVID-19 is spreading in a population.
Randomized trials are sparse and have not addressed the question of source control.
Psychological effects of masks are culturally framed and shape acceptance and adherence.
Mandated masking involves a tradeoff with personal freedom.

325736 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 8, #607 of 1464 🔗

The problem is that using her logic how does she explain the reduction in deaths in March to June when we weren’t wearing masks?

325753 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 2, #608 of 1464 🔗

Thanks for summary. Really good.

The Science… aka The Narrative! It’s just incredible.

325757 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 4, #609 of 1464 🔗

The article referenced actually contains zero evidence to support mask efficacy-only a pious hope.

325762 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 4, #610 of 1464 🔗

Also some very interesting papers by this Professor…
https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?sortby=pubdate&hl=en&user=8KQwEGcAAAAJ&view_op=list_works

One of them talks about remote GP consultation being a national policy. I hadn’t realised that …

325909 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #611 of 1464 🔗

Greenlaugh is disgracefully attempting to be the authority on masks. All her arguments suffer from the same issue for me. She’ll take an indication that masks may work, whatever that may be, and make the leap to masking everyone. That kind of thing is a red flag. It’s dogmatic and I just ignore her now.

325912 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #612 of 1464 🔗

The mask debate is so toxic. Populated by some very disturbed individuals

326226 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #613 of 1464 🔗

She wants to be careful who is around if she sprawls out her legs on benches!

325697 Liam, replying to Liam, 23, #614 of 1464 🔗

Watching Sky Sports news with added Covid. Does it ever occur to anyone in the football world that absolutely none of their precautions, bubbles, isolation and masking is making the slightest bit of difference and that it’s a complete waste of time?

325708 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Liam, 27, #615 of 1464 🔗

It’s theatre – covid theatre is like security theatre, its purpose is quite different from making any difference to what it claims to address. And in both cases it’s hugely successful at what it is actually aimed at, despite being largely irrelevant for what it is nominally aimed at.

325722 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Mark, 4, #616 of 1464 🔗

Spot on! I couldn’t have put it better myself.

325748 ▶▶ mj, replying to Liam, 5, #617 of 1464 🔗

but the football media – sky and BBC are so woke they still have to remind us every time they show the players taking the knee what it is for (whilst carefully avoiding the words “black lives matter”). so regardless of how useless the precautions are they are totally on board with it all.
Noticed Big Sam on sunday diligently wearing a mask on the touchline .. on his chin , round his neck, occasionally over his mouth. i even saw him wearing it correctly . pointless

326229 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Liam, #618 of 1464 🔗

No because they all have great football brains…ie their brains are a football.

325699 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 3, #619 of 1464 🔗

There is something very dark and satanic looking about the professionally produced Italian dancing nurses and doctors video in a completely empty hospital. Looks suspiciously like a celebration of a job well done – I doubt those taking part are aware of what they are taking part in. Most people viewing surprisingly seem to like the propaganda. https://www.bitchute.com/video/BOJeOMEAJaE3/

325719 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Darryl, 2, #620 of 1464 🔗

Yep, that’s pretty fudged-up

The fairy wings….

325732 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Two-Six, 1, #621 of 1464 🔗

The angel wings are certainly one of the many low points. Don’t know what the lyrics mean but it is a pretty bizarre spectacle.

325721 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, 3, #622 of 1464 🔗

It’s a humiliation ritual for them and for us. We are being mocked at a bewildering number of levels.

325738 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, 7, #623 of 1464 🔗

The constantly humiliate us with all the propaganda stunts. They even had to have William Shakespeare and grizzling / laughing Matt Hancock with the vaccine roll out. The sad thing is the dead masses don’t even realise they are being openly mocked by the media and establishment.

325747 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, 3, #624 of 1464 🔗

Many on here will survive this because we are immune to the propaganda and can see through all the lies and mockery. The dead masses on the other hand largely will not.

325815 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Darryl, 3, #625 of 1464 🔗

William Shakespeare of Warwick.
How did that pass by without comment in the media.No wonder Hancock was laughing

325958 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #626 of 1464 🔗

Shakespeare was second wasn’t he? To a mildred or something. Shakespeare was the first man. Odd in times of gender wars to make that distinction. But they did. It appears they needed Shakespeare’s name.

325990 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to jonathan Palmer, #627 of 1464 🔗

With the combined standards of education and journalistic prowess these days, the journalists reporting on this probably weren’t even aware of the ‘coincidence’.

325734 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Darryl, 9, #628 of 1464 🔗

They are dancing on the graves of cancer patients

325788 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Darryl, 4, #629 of 1464 🔗

It certainly has a bit of an Olympics 2012 opening ceremony vibe for sure

325950 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Darryl, 1, #630 of 1464 🔗

Agree with the suggestion of satanic. Angel wings? Is it the place of mortals to assume angel wings and infer their spiritual symbolic meaning? Many of these latest dancing mockings do appear to be professional or at least trained groups – not that I am any expert in dancing. Simply not feasible to see the professiinal camera work and editing capture the dance routines in such a polished package as we see.

325704 Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 2, #631 of 1464 🔗
325727 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 10, #632 of 1464 🔗

Also you can’t be asymptomatic for 9 months even if it was a thing. Interesting that a lot of comments are “it hasn’t been disproven”. It was never proven in the first fucking place. Great reversal of the null hypothesis there, chief.

325774 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mhcp, 4, #633 of 1464 🔗

These munters actually want there to be a problem
They revel in it

326142 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Crystal Decanter, #634 of 1464 🔗

They have nothing better to do. Some of them might even be paid to do it.

325710 Nigel_N, replying to Nigel_N, 4, #635 of 1464 🔗

The BBC has an interesting graph of Critical Care beds available in Cardiff, it’s not that occupancy numbers are very high, just that the total number of beds has been reduced. Significantly.
It’s not made explicit, but there are hints that large numbers of trained staff are self-isolating, probably untested.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55454280

325767 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Nigel_N, 4, #636 of 1464 🔗

The current theory about the theft of half of Cardiff’s critical care capacity in late Nov/early Dec seems to be that the NHS or Welsh health people intentionally redefined what constitutes “adequate” staffing for a bed in order to make things appear worse.

And yes, I’d say it is about literally stupid covid panic measures slashing healthcare capacity. The problem is still the panic response, not the virus.

325785 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Nigel_N, #637 of 1464 🔗

Friend of mine wrote the following when we were discussing this yesterday: “In the govwales website it says that from the middle of November they started including only those critical care beds which they had “adequate staff to manage “ ” I didn’t ask him for a link, though.

325887 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nigel_N, #638 of 1464 🔗

It’s the same in Northern Ireland. Year on year bed numbers have come down from 7200 ten years ago to around 5500 this year

https://www.statista.com/statistics/388589/available-hospital-beds-in-northern-ireland/

So why when you look at the live update on capacity here it sits at 2,800?

Seriously insane.

325943 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Nigel_N, 3, #639 of 1464 🔗

Trained dancing staff? That the so called real heroic staff have stood silent while their clown colleagues prance around the hospitals for tiktok cameras mocking the nation is unforgivable. It is not a sacking offence to speak out and suggest reasonably that dancing idiots in scrubs diminishes respect and trust in the care profession.

325729 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nessimmersion, 14, #641 of 1464 🔗

Extraordinary. A vaccine that isn’t a vaccine at all, except perhaps to disconnect us from our humanity once and for all. Billions of muppets the world over are walking straight into this trap from which there will be no escape.

325744 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #642 of 1464 🔗

Well, it’s nothing new. We have been told this from day 1.

325733 mhcp, 14, #643 of 1464 🔗

As I’ve been saying for a few days now (and should have really been saying all along if I’d realised) – I want to be part of the Control Group – the one where you don’t follow any measures at all.

Because after all are we not following the “science”

325737 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 42, #644 of 1464 🔗

I have just sent the following letter to my M.P.

Dear Sir,

Thank you very much for your letter of 22 December.

You may not be aware of the Portuguese court judgement regarding the inutility of the PCR test

You may also not be aware of the recent Bosnian court judgement that lockdowns and masking edicts are an infringement of basic human rights

So one judgement from a country ruled by a fascist dictator up until as recently as 1974 and another from a country whose war of independence only ended in 1995. Shame on us then.

Hospital occupancy is normal for the time of year:

Name me a year in living memory where the NHS has not been stretched?

Many suggest that a precedent has now been set for lockdowns every year. Reform of the NHS is the answer, not lockdowns. We know what reforms are required, but we simply lack the political will, leadership, required:

https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Niemietz-NHS-Interactive.pdf

The Amnesty International report makes it plain that many thousands of elderly and infirm citizens died as a direct result of government interventions. That accounts for a significant proportion of the increased overall all cause mortality figures in April and May.

Nevertheless, overall all cause mortality for 2020 is middling in the context of the last 30 years.

If the ‘new mutation’ is running riot, how can it be that 15,526 truck drivers were tested by 26 December in Kent with only 36 positives, quite possibly all false positives?

“Update on Kent lorry situation: 15,526 #Coronavirus tests now carried out. Just 36 positive results, which are being verified (0.23%).’ Grant Shapps

The entire pandemic is based on a false premise as the Portuguese court judgement makes plain. Proceedings against Professor Drosten, whose January paper set out the PCR test process, will, eventually, make that clear for the entire world to see.

You will know better than I the political implications for your party when that day arrives.

Please stop this massively harmful madness. Your government is damaging or destroying the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of our fellow citizens, in some cases their lives, for nothing.

325754 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Tim Bidie, 13, #645 of 1464 🔗

Very good. I was thinking of sending something similar today, focussing on the 15,000 lorry drivers and also the studies rubbishing asymptomatic transmission. My MP is already anti-lockdown (Labour too, surprisingly) but I want to make sure he has current information in the hope that it may be spread to other Labour party elements.

325780 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #646 of 1464 🔗

Great! I have been meaning to ask if anyone knows if the Portuguese ruling has had any impact on testing policy in Portugal? Last I read, it had not, and the judgement was not considered relevant beyond the individual case.

325937 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #647 of 1464 🔗

Excellent

325742 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 15, #648 of 1464 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/28/covid-vaccine-uk-restrictions-independent-sage

‘My colleagues and I on Independent Sage….’

Independent Sage?

https://www.independentsage.org/independent-sage/

‘Independent SAGE is a group of scientists who are working together to provide independent scientific advice to the UK government and public on how to minimise deaths and support Britain’s recovery from the COVID-19 crisis….’

It is not ‘officially recognised’ but is ‘independent of government and does not answer to it’.

The ‘scientists involved are doing this as unpaid voluntary work. They are all committing hours of their time every week to discuss the science, explain it to and discuss it with the public and produce reports. They are putting advice into the public domain because they believe the public needs to understand the science surrounding COVID-19 and the thinking that underpins the government’s strategy’.

They ‘believe openness and transparency leads to better understanding and better decision making’ and they want ‘to ensure that science benefits all of society’.

So there you are. ‘Openness and transparency’ and an appeal to ‘science’.

What is that racket in the background? It’s Orwell spinning in his grave.

But back to the Graud.

Blah blah step up the vaccination programme blah blah … however:

‘…vaccination cannot be the entire strategy. This is because of the time taken to complete it (that’s even if we reach the target of 2 million vaccinations a week called for by members of the government’s influenza modelling group), uncertainties over its duration of immunity and impact on transmission, and restrictions on its use in some populations (eg children, pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers).’

Plenty of loopholes there. It’s a bit like those hit movies that leave lots of cliff-hangers for future sequels. And this franchise is only just beginning.

‘All this is exacerbated by the fact that, due to the increased infectiousness of the new variant, a higher proportion of people need to be vaccinated in order to achieve population immunity .’

Not ‘herd immunity’ then? I’m guessing you’ve blown your cover on that one.

‘Universities should move to online teaching as the default until Easter at least.’

At least? Don’t you just love it!

‘Our third point in the plan is about the UK’s test, trace and isolate regime.’

‘Regime’? Careful!

Now here’s an interesting statement (and I’ll skip the statistical horror porn. You can fill it in yourself by thinking of a number and multiplying it by thousands):

‘At a time when the UK …. has been …prevaricating about what measures are needed, Australia ….instituted immediate and far-reaching restrictions in Sydney after an “outbreak” of 38 cases. One local person responded by saying: “Let’s go early, let’s go hard and let’s get this baby.” This makes a good mantra for the pandemic as a whole. Our plan is a minimum for what needs to be implemented – without delay.’

I seem to recall Oz as the land of extreme fascistic measures. Yes – that’s the way to go!

325756 ▶▶ DRW, replying to George Mc, 4, #649 of 1464 🔗

Universities went online in March, the last token in-person scraps went this month.

325745 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., #650 of 1464 🔗

Interesting correlation between increase in People tested positiveand increase inVirus tests conducted
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

325760 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonny S., 3, #651 of 1464 🔗

Tests are virtually worthless though they may show a trend – but the only figure worth quoting is positives per X tests conducted – the raw numbers are utter bollocks

325795 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 2, #652 of 1464 🔗

even the ratio is dodgy. depends why they are testing people. are they going into hotspots or repeatedly testing NHS workers (who must have all had it). testing symptomatics or healthy people.

I think the zoe covid is the best – but it will pick up normal colds to some extent

325752 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #653 of 1464 🔗

R from the zoe app coming down significantly

‘3rd wave’ going to peak in a few days if it carries on

325810 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to steve_w, 4, #654 of 1464 🔗

Fourth wave coming up. Everyone must soil the bed.

325814 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ovis, 5, #655 of 1464 🔗

I wonder how many deaths are from Lockdown zealots who have electric blankets?

325833 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to steve_w, 2, #656 of 1464 🔗

Those deaths are caused by a new mutant strain.

The correct response is to shit the bed even harder.

326237 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Ovis, 1, #657 of 1464 🔗

Hey we banned bedwetters but now we have bedshitters. Yippee!

325838 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 2, #658 of 1464 🔗

Note the fate of the ‘second wave’.

It was a normal seasonal rise.

325844 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, 1, #659 of 1464 🔗

excellent, we can credit the ‘peak in a few days’ on the T4/revC circuit breaker lockdown we instigate a few days after that

325761 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #660 of 1464 🔗

well, there’s something going round. my whole family has a bit of a cough and the sniffles.

nothing worth destroying millions of lives for – I’m just not ‘worth’ it

325779 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to steve_w, 12, #661 of 1464 🔗

I would be more than willing to die of covid if it would end this madness. I’m not important at all. The egocentricity of people wailing about how dangerous it is is truly revolting.

325790 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #662 of 1464 🔗

we need the sane ones alive.

325764 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 46, #663 of 1464 🔗

“Susan Michie, a Professor of Health Psychology at University College London and a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behavioural Science, a SAGE subcommittee, said emerging data suggested transmission rates were going up everywhere, hospitals were being overwhelmed and thus the only way forward was a national lockdown, including the closure of schools.”

She’s a Communist. She’s a member of the UK Communist Party. She despises Boris and the Tory government.
She’s not an immunologist, or a virologist, or an epidemiologist. She’s a Health Psychologist, whatever that is.

What on this God’s green Earth is Boris or any of his cabinet or anyone else doing listening to this woman? In a previous decade, not that long ago, she would have been regarded as an enemy of this country, every bit as much as Kim Philby proved to be.
If she’s not advising the government to destroy itself and this country, then she couldn’t do a better job if she was.

325773 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to LMS2, 4, #664 of 1464 🔗

The obituaries of the bastard George Blake illustrated eloquently where we are with regard to enemies of the state. We are the enemies of the state now.

325783 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to LMS2, 2, #665 of 1464 🔗

I thought the UK’s Communist Party had demised long ago. Although the “Morning Star” is still going.

325786 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to LMS2, 6, #666 of 1464 🔗

Hospitals are not being ”overwhelmed” of course. Their so-called ”covid wards” may be – especially if they’re putting anyone in them who tests positive.

325819 ▶▶ Mark, replying to LMS2, 13, #667 of 1464 🔗

Consider that MI5 records of the communist backgrounds and sympathies of Blairites such as Mandelson, Straw, and Blair himself, were intentionally destroyed after Blair came to power, to cover up just how far things had gone:

Fascinatingly, the Guardian, of September 22, 1997, reports that Mandelson, by now a Minister, had called on MI5 to ‘weed out and destroy’ all files held on Cold War-era subversives, which he said were now ‘entirely redundant’.
His demand followed the leaking of alleged details from his own file by a renegade MI5 agent.
A few months later, in January 1998, newspapers, obviously acting on official briefings, reported that MI5 was indeed destroying its files on political subversives.
So the only comprehensive, reliable record of who all my revolutionary comrades were has been erased forever. I would guess that many very interesting names were there.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6197097/PETER-HITCHENS-reveals-REAL-truth-Communist-infiltration-Britain.html

Worth bearing this in mind when old left fantasists such as a couple posting here try to pretend that Blairites are not leftist. That nonsense is based on their silly supposed belief that left/right is only about nominal control of capital, which completely misunderstands politics and indeed reality. Mostly they cling to it in order to try to pretend that the left is still some kind of beleaguered dissenting group, and not to blame for all the leftist pc and internationalist nonsense we’ve had foisted upon us for decades now.

325863 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 4, #668 of 1464 🔗

Hitchens was a Trotskyist himself, so he’d know more than most the kind of threads that have been spun under the surface level narrative of British politics

325910 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #669 of 1464 🔗

Yes, he also understands the left/right issue better than most, having moved from one extreme to the other in his lifetime (not that his conservative position is equivalently “extremist” to that of a radical, just that it is at the far end of the radical/conservative line, specifically).

325822 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to LMS2, 5, #670 of 1464 🔗

A LEADING British Communist has said that her party’s members should be working “full tilt” to get Jeremy Corbyn in 10 Downing Street.
Speaking at a Communist event in London Susan Michie, a leading activist for the party, said that it was no longer putting candidates up against Labour.
At a meeting in London earlier this week, Professor Michie, whose ex-husband Andrew Murray was an aide to Jeremy Corbyn, told Communist members: “At the 2017 general election we decided not to contest in the election, and fully support Jeremy Corbyn, and the Communist Party of Britain (CPB) has agreed that supporting Labour is the priority and that it would be inappropriate to stand candidates.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/928055/Jeremy-Corbyn-Communist-Party-plot-make-Labour-government-Susan-Michie

Unlikely she’s not been recruited by the CCP….

CCP leadership must be pissing themselves…

325837 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Major Panic, 5, #671 of 1464 🔗

The communists who infest public life are the facilitators not the instigators of this.

325857 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #672 of 1464 🔗

the infestation of academia has spotted an advantage and is using it, who choses sage members, and what is their politics…

325835 ▶▶ RickH, replying to LMS2, 9, #673 of 1464 🔗

Do stop wetting yourselves like Pavlov conditioned dogs at the term ‘communist’. The main thing is that Michie is an idiot, and that puts her in company with the proto-fascists of the Tory Party, who are the main progenitors of this shit-show.

325846 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to RickH, 2, #674 of 1464 🔗

Yep.

325860 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 2, #675 of 1464 🔗

spoken like a truly anchored leftie…

325907 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to RickH, #676 of 1464 🔗

I’d settle for a Communist government at present.
One along the lines of:
You will all work (and be seen to be at work,not skulking at home)
Children and students will attend schools and universities.
You will show a calm demeanour in public like good citizens (wearing face masks and avoiding public houses will be treated as a crime and harshly punished).
Remember Stalingrad!
Remember Leningrad.
We will never surrender whatever the cost!
Yes, Churchill was a bit similar but Uncle Joe really meant it – at the cost of 20+million?

325843 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to LMS2, 3, #677 of 1464 🔗

She’s one of the worst. She’s never softened from her calls for a total lockdown for months. Awful stuff.

325862 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #678 of 1464 🔗

as a behavioural scientist she is an expert in disease

325982 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to LMS2, #679 of 1464 🔗

You will be interested to see this deleted (but saved by an astute Twitterer) Tweet from Susan Michie deriding someone holding a position in public office who has circulated a memo stating that we are all being lied to. Intriguing. Don’t suppose it was Boris Johnson!

https://twitter.com/CoojeeBear/status/1342824618718093319

326244 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to LMS2, 1, #680 of 1464 🔗

Johnson has no real problem with communists. He is much closer to them than he is to most Tory voters.

325777 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 23, #681 of 1464 🔗

The NHS thinks keeping beds near max capacity year round reduces waste, improves efficiency and saves money – not sure the hundreds of billions of money being burnt to save the NHS is particularly efficient – and the collateral damage; unnecessary deaths, livelihoods lost, businesses ruined, etc….

Every winter the frail elderly, nearing natural end of life, with failing immune systems, succumb to respiratory problems – some years worse than others, so….

Maybe it would be more efficient to have some dormant respiratory disease hospitals and trained up part-time staff (much nursing work is toileting, cleaning, feeding patients, etc) that could be called upon during the annual winter flu covid season – bit like we have the TA, part-time fire fighters, RNLI, etc… but for wintertime

Oh, and sack all those wankers badly running the NHS

325970 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Major Panic, 2, #682 of 1464 🔗

You are thinking sensibly, logically and empathetically. Your services are not required by the NHS, SAGE or the Department of Health. Goodbye.

325974 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to OKUK, 1, #683 of 1464 🔗

Damn, i was hoping for a multi-million pound contract for my advisory services, I’ve already expanded the above into a 2 page action plan (had to use big writing)

326022 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Major Panic, 3, #684 of 1464 🔗

The NHS. A healthcare system so amazing that no other country in the world has copied it.

326253 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Cranmer, #685 of 1464 🔗

Maybe Cuba and North Korea have,,,but not for their top brass of course.

326694 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Major Panic, #686 of 1464 🔗

A bit like the fever hospitals we used to have until we sold them off due to the value of the land underneath them.

325784 Banjones, 3, #687 of 1464 🔗

I don’t think they’re hospitals. They’re dormitories. For whom, I wonder. Any guesses?

325793 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 10, #688 of 1464 🔗

The arseholes are out in force again – and I don’t mean the crowds of people:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55474533

Quotes (my emphasis): Dyfed-Powys Police tweeted that they were “conducting high visibility patrols” in the Brecon Beacons and “officers are engaging and educating and where necessary will enforce restrictions”.

Educating! ROTFL!

And:

Mr Davies [deputy leader of Powys County Council] said: “I can understand why people want to get out into the fresh air” but that “the rules are very, very clear [stupid] around this”.

FFS! The threat of Wuhan Lab Flu MUST be greater indoors than out. What the hell is the rationale that says travelling for exercise is dangerous?

325803 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tenchy, 1, #689 of 1464 🔗

Just tell the Piigs “key worker”
How will they know?
If you volunteer the correct info you deserve everything you get
Plenty of mock up forms can be obtained online in the style of all major banks

325805 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tenchy, 5, #690 of 1464 🔗

There is no rationale other than to further disorient and demoralise the target population. It’s worked a treat for the last 9 months.

326256 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Tenchy, 1, #691 of 1464 🔗

The idea of thick coppers educating people is laughable.

325809 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 17, #692 of 1464 🔗

whole of Buckinghamshire – Tier 4 ‘hot zone’

6 people on ventilators, 100 in hospital with covid. That’s across about 6 hospitals including the large Stoke Mandeville (where paralympics started). They have 5754 full time employees

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhstrust&areaName=Buckinghamshire%20Healthcare%20NHS%20Trust

absolutely negligible. we are being so lied to!

325820 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to steve_w, 10, #693 of 1464 🔗

The latest scare stories are that whole families are being admitted to hospital with Covid including lots of young people, is this true? It also begs the question as to how people are ending up in hospital? if the local GP will not see them I guess they go straight to hospital and are then admitted for observation and then have to be assessed for discharge which is tying up hospital space.

325841 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to steve_w, 9, #694 of 1464 🔗

Why on ventilators?

Was known back at the end of March that mechanical ventilation will most likely kill a true covid patient and it was not a recommended treatment so they must have something else that is requiring ventilation.

Treatment for covid was established as the same as for altitude sickness – high percentage oxygen flow.

325823 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 15, #695 of 1464 🔗

We’ve never, ever, had a pandemic of a ‘virus’. We have a ‘scamdemic’ instigated by the government and force fed to the Nation by the media. Covid19 does NOT exist. The PCR test is nonsense and the whole latest wave is a cruel fiction.

325827 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Harry hopkins, 9, #696 of 1464 🔗

without the PCR test – this is a normal flu season

325828 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 25, #697 of 1464 🔗

Big story missing on the Beeb and Sly News.

Margaret Keenan and William Shakespeare are due their 2nd dose of the vaccine today.

So, where are the cameras? Where are Mrs Keenan and Mr Shakespeare? Are they both still alive?

325848 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ceriain, 7, #698 of 1464 🔗

Is Mrs Keenan with her very young looking ‘children’ actually a real person or a made up character? I suspect they could fool the incredibly gullible public with anything following this year.

326658 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Darryl, #699 of 1464 🔗

They’ve been fooling people with ‘crisis actors’ for more than a year, Darryl.

325871 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 4, #700 of 1464 🔗

murdered probably. anything to stop them dying of the vaccine

325906 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Ceriain, 4, #701 of 1464 🔗

Heeerrre’s Margaret! Apparently she’s “recovering well following her discharge from hospital”. Recovering well from what?
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-margaret-keenan-first-patient-to-get-pfizer-vaccine-receives-second-jab-12174859

325923 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Liz F, 3, #702 of 1464 🔗

Recovering from the brainwashing exercise that this was. That’s my guess. Or if I was to second guess, recovering from a side effect of the “harmless untested jab” 🤔

325991 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Liz F, 3, #703 of 1464 🔗

Are they reading this forum, Liz? We mention there’s no news about it and, suddenly, there’s the story.

Still want to know, where are the cameras, etc ?

Mrs Keenan, a grandmother of four, declared it was “a privilege” when she received her first dose and described it as “the best early birthday present I could wish for” as it meant she could spend time with her family and friends in the new year “after being on my own” for most of 2020.

Sorry, love; Handjob’s got some news for you.

326004 ▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Ceriain, 3, #704 of 1464 🔗

It wouldn’t surprise me if Sky, the Beeb and other MSM have “moles” reading this forum. Wouldn’t be a bad thing, they might learn something.

326168 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Liz F, 2, #705 of 1464 🔗

Wouldn’t be a bad thing, they might learn something.

Indeed they would, Liz. 🙂

326701 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Liz F, #706 of 1464 🔗

Twats like that will never learn.

325832 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #707 of 1464 🔗

Just out.Damage limitation?

https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1343896485008715776

New epidemiological data published by the PHE. Looking at age-sex distribution of cases from 31/08 to 22/12 (based on S-drop out – SGTF), distribution of cases are similar across age groups for other variants (left) vs. the new variant (right).

325836 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #708 of 1464 🔗

A nothingburger?

In the same study, 28-day case fatality rate analysis was restricted to 2,700 cases. 12 of 1,340 (0.89%) variant cases died within 28 days compared with 10 of 1,360 (0.73%) comparator cases. No significant difference was seen in mortality rates (Odds ratio:1.21, p=0.65).
In the same study, 42 (out of 3,538) had a record of hospital admission. Out of this, 16 (0.9%) new variant cases were admitted to hospital compared to 26 (1.5%) other cases. So, no significant difference was seen in hospitalisations (p=0.162)

325840 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #709 of 1464 🔗

As I read this,nothing points to more kids infected,no more deaths,no more hospitalisations.Stop the nonsense of mutant strain now.As the gov ordered this study the must act know.Keep schools open! And clean up the eggs on Hancock’s face

325850 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to swedenborg, 3, #710 of 1464 🔗

we could fry the eggs while on his face

325842 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 11, #711 of 1464 🔗

Basically, we need to stay in lockdown forever, or at least masks and SD, because it may be 70% more infectious. We just can’t take that chance.

Seriously, they never want this to end.

326012 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #712 of 1464 🔗

Yes, this is what I think now as well. I think there are two possible ways though that this could be foiled.

  1. Many people in positions of power won’t be able to resist holding big parties, dinners, balls etc eventually. The 1% rule partly because they are part of a big club and if the club never meets, it’s difficult to retain power. We’ve seen this with Kay Burley but there will be more such incidents and as they build, ordinary folk will find out and start questioning.
  2. The money will run out. We’re already getting close to the maximum we can borrow until we cannot afford debt repayments. Lockdowns etc are unlikely to work without furlough payments, mortgage holidays etc. Of course, they may try their ‘Great Reset’ but this is unlikely to be a smooth transition either.
326705 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Cranmer, 1, #713 of 1464 🔗
  1. There must be some photos of celebs, politicians etc stumbling out of parties over the festive period. I hope they manage to surface. 2. Definitely.
325834 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 14, #714 of 1464 🔗

The little dictator is going to announce more draconian rules & probably more lockdown measures tomorrow.
All because of the “new strain”

Unfuckingbelievable!!!

Also, taken from the shitty Edinburgh live propaganda rag, which keeps up the brainwashing, scaremongering propaganda.

Utter wankers.

Anyway, for all in Dictatorship Scotland,
Here it is

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/covid-scotland-nicola-sturgeon-give-19532926

Also, they are also running this article, regarding the stupid face nappies.

I do feel sorry for people who have hearing difficulties & rely on lip reading.

But, who cares about all that eh? (I don’t mean that in a nasty way, I am talking about the government’s & the brainwashed sheep here) & all the other thing’s that have went to fuck because of this utter lie & shit show.

The need to keep up with the scaremongering & brainwashing is strong.

I despair. Poor woman.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-key-worker-distressed-after-19532406

325845 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #715 of 1464 🔗

I predict sadly, complete lockdown and the plebs will lap it up.

325856 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to stefarm, 5, #716 of 1464 🔗

I fully agree with you on that stefarm. It is seriously sad that the masses are so brainwashed.

326318 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to stefarm, #717 of 1464 🔗

Dictatorship of the Plebs.

325865 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #718 of 1464 🔗
325881 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to steve_w, 1, #719 of 1464 🔗

Aye, I know that steve_w.
Unfortunately, the brainwashed sheep in the dictatorship that is now Scotland don’t know that.
They all buy into the little dictators & the wanker dentists scaremongering & brainwashing propaganda.

325891 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #720 of 1464 🔗

what annoys me is that people are so thick – this ‘scare’ has smoked out the thick and the fascists.

anyone who looks at the data objectively can see there’s little to it.

I want to say ‘I told you so’ repeatedly to my in-laws. I thought that was going to be this summer but they have extended the panic out to next Spring.

325839 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 27, #722 of 1464 🔗

Predict schools closed until at least Feb half-term, mandatory masks out of home, essential journeys only, no mixing of households except for support….oh and a huge rise in suicides and irreversible damage to the mental health of an entire nation.

325847 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Achilles, 6, #723 of 1464 🔗

My thoughts exactly. We could also go back to one hour a day out of the house for exercise, just to be extra safe (though I hope few people would fall for that again).

325853 citizenclive, 15, #724 of 1464 🔗

The hysterical reaction is much worse than the disease. Unintended consequences – for people with other health problems are going to be immense. Far greater than the numbers who have died from this illness. The government has become more deadly than the virus.

No one under 45 should be bound by these absurd restrictions unless they have major health problems. My mum survived it at 84 years old and my friend’s mum recently survived it – age 87- living alone in Moscow.

1.3 million people work in the NHS. What are they doing? The NHS exists to serve us. We are not here to serve it. We’ve have had no response to a hospital referral from GP, OT or District nursing for 3 months. Now we have a grade 3 pressure sore and an adult safeguarding incident. General practice is failing.

The more damage they can do to the economy the more power politicians seize – why let a crisis go to waste. They are intoxicated with power. MPs see people as adults with learning difficulties, unable to think for themselves.

Too much isolation is known to be a major risk to human health & wellbeing than not enough. Government’s own research shows that social isolation is as damaging to health as smoking 15 fags a day.
https://time.com/5248016/tracey-crouch-uk-loneliness-minister/

Covid 19 is a moral panic. They love a drama, a crisis. The idea of seeing anything in perspective, context or in proportion has gone.

325854 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 28, #725 of 1464 🔗

Always worth remembering when one looks at the hospital Covid figures; they are all fake ! Let’s look at what the MSM and SAGE are saying is bringing the NHS to its knees.

NHS Definition of a Covid-19 patient: For all relevant data items: a confirmed COVID-19 patient is any patient admitted to the trust who has recently (ie in the last 14 days) tested positive for COVID-19 following a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test .

Key phrase there is ‘any patient’. Doesn’t matter if they are in after having had a heart attack, or a stroke; or are suffering from gunshot wounds, or a broken hip after a fall (very common in the elderly in the winter). It doesn’t matter if the patient is being treated for Covid, just that they tested positive in the last 14 days.

So, that one is bullshit!

NHS Definition of a hospital admission: People admitted to hospital who tested positive for COVID-19 in the 14
days prior to admission, and those who tested positive in hospital after admission. Inpatients diagnosed with COVID-19 after admission are reported as being admitted on the day prior to their diagnosis.

In other words, any patient above, and any patient who tests postive for Covid-19 following a PCR test at any time during their stay (possibly as many as 80% of ‘admissions’ meet this criteria). It doesn’t matter if the patient is being treated for Covid, just that they tested positive at some point during their stay.

So, that one is also bullshit!

NHS Definition of patients in Mechanical Ventilation beds: Mechanical Ventilation bed occupied with confirmed COVID-19 patients – includes any MV bed containing a confirmed COVID-19 patient. England figures are the numbers of patients in beds which are capable of delivering mechanical ventilation and includes Nightingale hospitals.
The Beeb, et al are trying to make the public belive that this number is only of people who are either intubated, or on CPAP; this is not true . Mechanical ventilation beds include any hospital bed where any kind of mechanical ventilation can be provided ; this includes providing patients with Oxygen, even by mask, or that little tube they stick up your nose. This covers just about any bed in a modern hospital.

325858 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 9, #726 of 1464 🔗

and when you keep testing the same person you will end up with a false positive sometime or another.

325878 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to steve_w, 5, #727 of 1464 🔗

& you forgot to mention testing Coca Cola also, that yields false positives also.

325900 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 1, #728 of 1464 🔗

Statistically, when there is low incidence, widespread testing of the asymptomatic, and high Ct used – then the odds of a false positive are somewhere around 10 times that of a true positive.

325902 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 2, #729 of 1464 🔗

and even if the FP rate is 2.8% (middle guess from PHE) then you test someone every day for a a couple of week and you will ‘probably’ find them positive

325867 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 17, #730 of 1464 🔗

Meant to add to the above. My post above covers the gist of a conversation I had with 3 cancer consultants in a leading London hospital this morning. They don’t believe a single word they are hearing from the Government, or from their masters in the NHS.

325917 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ceriain, 5, #731 of 1464 🔗

Thanks for the explanation of mechanical ventilation bed.

Anyone on morphine containing pain medication will receive oxygen.
A colleague had an abdominal surgery and was on a morphine drip/oxygen.

325944 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Silke David, 9, #732 of 1464 🔗

That came from one of my colleagues; he said the NHS/Gov were being misleading by not mentioning that any patient being fed oxygen by any method was ‘strictly speaking’ in a Mechanical Ventilation bed. That’s what they are counting, he said.

He felt it disengenuous of them to not point out that someone who has tested Covid positive by PCR, but not being treated for Covid, isn’t really a Covid patient. His only assumption was it was done this way to:

i) keep the scam going, and
ii) the bed managers love it.

Just as an aside: I had a heart bypass (or 3) 5 years ago; I was on oxygen (fed to me with just a mask) for the first 2 days of my stay in hospital; get the lungs pumped back up and all that, but… and it’s a key but.. they got me off the ventilator as soon as I came round after the operation.

“Got to get you off that thing as soon as possible,” my two ICU nurses told me, “ those things kill people !”

325966 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Ceriain, 2, #733 of 1464 🔗

Absolutely. When our Trust puts out the numbers of patients in ITU, which terrify people even thought the numbers are tiny (ITU only has 6 beds and has never been full this year) they neglect to say whether they are being ventilated or not, and most of the time they’re not.

325872 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 6, #734 of 1464 🔗

Seems Ivermectin is going the same way as hydroxychloroquine and is being banned.
South Africa has banned a drug that has been safely in use for decades.

https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/sa-drugs-regulator-bans-miracle-covid-19-treatment-as-unsafe-4e36c339-c65c-4cc6-93d2-d7e748eefcb6

325884 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Andrew K, 2, #735 of 1464 🔗

How can they ban HCQ in a malaria ridden shithole like SA ??

325890 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Crystal Decanter, #736 of 1464 🔗

They’ve banned Ivermectin not as far as I know HCQ

325927 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to Andrew K, 3, #737 of 1464 🔗

I think we all know why but:
Why Isn’t Ivermectin Being Widely Researched and Utilized?
https://trialsitenews.com/why-isnt-ivermectin-being-widely-researched-and-utilized/

Carlos Chaccour, MD, PhD of the Barcelona Institute for Global Health ( ISGlobal ), who studies ivermectin in the treatment of tropical diseases. “ The pandemic creates a sense of urgency and we tend to cut some corners, and that can be okay , but you don’t cut all corners,” offered the doctor. “There needs to be scientific rigor. People may say, ‘What do you have to lose? It’s a safe drug,’ but no drug is free from side effects,” he said. The article notes that ivermectin can lead to GI side effects or skin rashes and that in rare cases it is neurotoxic; also, RCT’s are needed before wide use of ivermectin should be allowed.

Err, so let’s go with a rushed, untested vaccine vs. a largely very safe drug that more and more studies are showing incredible results.

He also argues that there may be a “moral hazard” to ivermectin if people using it feel “safe” and quit using face masks, etc. Regarding whether big pharma may be wary of the low-cost of ivermectin, Chaccour argues that given the market size for a COVID-19 product, i.e. billions of people, adequate incentives exist for even a “cheap” drug.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

Highlights
 • Ivermectin is an inhibitor of the COVID-19 causative virus (SARS-CoV-2) in vitro.

• A single treatment able to effect ~5000-fold reduction in virus at 48 h in cell culture.

• Ivermectin is FDA-approved for parasitic infections, and therefore has a potential for repurposing.

• Ivermectin is widely available, due to its inclusion on the WHO model list of essential medicines.

326322 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Andrew K, #738 of 1464 🔗

Probably received a stipend from the World Bank.

325875 Pebbles, 4, #739 of 1464 🔗

Article Link: Vaccine Register

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/28/world/spain-will-register-those-who-choose-not-to-get-vaccinated-and-will-share-the-information-with-the-eu.html

Spain to register dissidents of vaccine…! I saw this yesterday in an Italian paper and today in the NYT. Not sure if this is fear porn to get people to rush to get the shot – after all, who wants to be ” on a list”? – or if for real… If real, the logistics of this will be interesting. Almighty heavens, I hope the bloody EU will fall apart faster than they can say the word “vaccine”.

325876 George Mc, 11, #740 of 1464 🔗

You have to admire their audacity. (Or perhaps it’s just arrogance caused by the sadly correct assumption that the media is basically a big bottleneck megaphone which they commandeer.) They insist everyone take the vax while also clearly admitting that taking the vax will make no difference and everyone will still have to mask up and socially distance etc. Until they deliver the next vax which will also make no difference. And if you start to ask awkward questions, the Left will be there to blame it all on capitalist incompetence. Niiiiice!

325879 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #742 of 1464 🔗

“Preliminary results from the cohort study found no statistically significant difference in hospitalisation and 28-day case fatality between cases with the variant (VOC 201212/01) and wild-type comparator cases. There was also no significant difference in the likelihood of reinfection between variant cases and the comparator group. “

325888 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 5, #743 of 1464 🔗

Yep. That’s the suitably restrained statistical analysis that blows all the Scary Fairy stuff right out of the water. (Proper ‘science’.)

325880 ▶▶ dpj, replying to steve_w, 2, #744 of 1464 🔗

Wee dictator obviously not yet seen it
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-55474222

325898 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #746 of 1464 🔗

From the Speccy article, he asks: “So what else could explain the surge in London cases?”

Err… could it have something to do with the introduction of mass testing in 21 of the capital’s 32 boroughs?

Nah! Surely that’s just coincidence. 😉

326037 ▶▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to Ceriain, 3, #747 of 1464 🔗

The article is interesting.

What I really love though is the axiomatic assumption that millions could die and that lock downs work.

You then see that the author is a Professor of Statistics.

326044 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Stephensceptic, 1, #748 of 1464 🔗

yes, lockdowns work perfectly, millions are dying

325885 Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 35, #749 of 1464 🔗

If (and big if) the levels in hospitals ‘with Covid’ are now what they were in March/April, is that not clear evidence that masks do fuck all and probably makes things worse? There was no mandate then. The standard reply will be ‘imagine what it would be like without those measures’ no doubt.

325886 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 28, #750 of 1464 🔗

I am convinced that

1 – sending covid patients to care homes ‘killed’ 30,000
2 – missed cancer killed 20,000
3 – etc

ie the government response has caused most of the ‘excess deaths’

if you were involved you’d do everything you could to talk up the ‘pandemic’ and act as though you were saving 1/2 a million (from your modelling). That way the 50,000 you killed gets ‘lost in the noise’. “Yes, mistakes were made, but our prompt action saved hundreds of thousands of lives… etc”

325895 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, 8, #751 of 1464 🔗

yes, reality has been lost in the fog of effective propaganda

Goebbels would have been impressed

If Hitler is watching this from beyond the grave – he must be well fucked off – all those tanks, fighter planes and bombers, battleships and U-boats, incredibly brave tough soldiers, etc, etc….

all he needed was; a nasty cough and a pathetic, irrationally hysterical, easily frightened enemy – should have waited a few years

325896 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #752 of 1464 🔗

just to add, I think they believe it.

If you had 2 advisers, 1 was telling you you were a great leader saving lives of ‘your people’, the other was saying you were killing thousands – who would you believe? They are narcissists.

326021 ▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to steve_w, 5, #753 of 1464 🔗

I agree. They have no choice. Are in so deep that they have to convince themselves that what they have done is right and that Covid would otherwise have been the Black Death, 1918 and the Plague of Justinian all rolled into one.

This is also why the vaccine is seen as the Holy Grail. It is the only way out that does not require the politicians to admit that they did the wrong thing. It is like declaring victory in a war.

But, I fear it will be a Pyrrhic victory. The vaccines have not been fully tested. They cannot have been. There has not been enough time. My worry is that this will be another scenario like AZT treatment for HIV.

326054 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to steve_w, 5, #754 of 1464 🔗

I agree. The main reason that this has dragged on for so long is that the Government can’t bring themselves to admit that they over-reacted. Why? Because people have died as a result of their actions. They have to keep the illusion of an existential threat going until they are sure that won’t be held to account for their criminal incompetence.

325889 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #755 of 1464 🔗

Just mooching the ONS death stats for the week ending 11th December 2020. Released the 22nd Dec so just before everything shut down for the holidays.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending11december2020

Keeps mentioning that covid-19 deaths of any description were down again but total deaths were up for the 5th week running.

I’ll hazard a guess and put these deaths down to the lockdown instead of the pandemic.

I also looked at the data set that runs from 2001 to Nov 2020 as the above report goes ona bout tehir statisticla model they are using to guess the number of detahs due to delays in reporting etc.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales

Apart from April 2020 this year is within the normal range.

So where’s the pandemic and the dead in the streets?

325903 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Awkward Git, 2, #756 of 1464 🔗

Hi Awkward Git.
This may interest you. PHE graphical representations of ONS data.
Scroll to the bottom and look at wk ending 4th December and click on deaths by underlying causes to see the decrease in respiratory infection deaths.

325939 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #758 of 1464 🔗

“…but total deaths were up for the 5th week running.”

I’m looking at the England & Wales figures, and the trend for all deaths has been down for the four weeks since the 20th November.

12,535, 12,456, 12,303, 12,292

As you say, though, current mortality is well within the normal range for this time of year, judged in the quarter-century time-frame.

There is no ‘unprecedented’ event – except politically.

325965 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Awkward Git, #759 of 1464 🔗

New stats out tomorrow. Last weeks stats showed the past 5 weeks total deaths were less than the 5 weeks in January 2020 which was supposed to be (but wasn’t), pre covid. Obviously due to lockdown saving us all. Sh*t life, but saved, thanks to the morons running the country.

325894 Fred, replying to Fred, 9, #761 of 1464 🔗

Typical BBC today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55471235 .

The thumbnail headline: Anger over ‘backpacker’ party on Sydney beach. Any half-decent public service broadcaster would know that the scare-quotes there are around the wrong word. It’s very obviously a backpacker party. What’s contentious is the ‘anger.’ I doubt very few people actually felt ‘anger’ about some young people having a bit of fun. But hey, why let that get in the way of rhetorically construction a universal audience of zealous lockdown fanatics who all think and emote in the same way? You could do an entire study of the way the BBC laughs in the face of its charter (impartiality, objectivity) in order to pursue its identitarian politics just by studying which words it puts scare-quotes around and which it doesn’t.

325934 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fred, 10, #762 of 1464 🔗

The BBC is evil

325901 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 34, #763 of 1464 🔗

Currently watching the racing from Newbury and Leopardstown, I’ve continued to watch the racing and have ignored all other sport. Watching jockies, presenters and trainers wearing masks really does grind my gears and I go from mad rants to laughing at the absurdity of the pantomime. Today all I’m hearing is ‘can’t wait to see the crowds next year’ ‘what a difficult year’ etc etc…..blah blah.

Ummm, we are never getting back to normal, it’s these wankers in the media who are perpetuating the scam by insisting the presenters stand 6 foot apart and insist the actors wear disgusting masks when on camera.

It pains me to say it but I hope all professional sport implodes and goes bust, they will only have themselves to blame.

325988 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stefarm, 6, #764 of 1464 🔗

I would go one further and say that I want to see everything implode. I want people to experience rolling power cuts, food shortages, all takeaways and fast food places shut so they have nothing to eat, the closure and collapse of everything, including Our Wonderful NHS. It’s the only way the idiots will ever wake up. Even then I’m not sure they would.

326103 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cranmer, 2, #765 of 1464 🔗

Most of them are either comatose or refuse to admit and open their eyes and see that our so called leaders are intending to ruin society and their lives under the guise of keeping them safe from a cold and at the worst the flu.

326240 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to stefarm, #766 of 1464 🔗

The jockeys only have to be muzzled in the UK when in the parade ring but in Ireland it is anywhere. Mercifully the presenters in the UK don’t have to be muzzled except in the parade ring -though muzzling seems to be universal among trainers, spectators etc. I really don’t see why this is necessary in the open air especially ground staff miles away from the stands .Listening to Matt Chapman when muzzled is irritating though I may be the only person who doesn’t mind him or Derek Thompson.

325908 crimsonpirate, 7, #767 of 1464 🔗

I guess by tomorrow most of us will be in Tier 4 or 5

325911 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #768 of 1464 🔗

Have decided to follow some scientists on Twitter. Some appear arrogant and condescending. Some seem to be producing dodgy data.

There’s a few scientists which I wouldn’t normally have been interested to follow that are caring and balanced and seem to provide more relevant critical thought.

Whoever you follow… please be kind to them. Please be empathic and gentle. Whatever their demeanour.

Being an arsey sceptic will not do our cause any good 😌

325916 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Country Mumkin, #769 of 1464 🔗

They need to root out the Frauds and Fakes, however they can, and prosecute

325913 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 24, #770 of 1464 🔗

For years we’ve been told certain cancer drugs were too expensive, suddenly, they find billions to plough into a mild disease. This needs to be investigated asap. Where is the money coming from, couldn’t be the pharma companies, could it.

325932 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DanClarke, 10, #771 of 1464 🔗

It’s coming from us

325983 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DanClarke, 6, #772 of 1464 🔗

Where did the money to fund the Second World War come from? From borrowing from the USA, which took 60+ years to pay back.

The cost of the Vietnam war was beyond any ability to pay, which was why the US went off the Gold Standard, in order to debase its currency and, in theory, cover the cost of that disastrous conflict.

I can’t help thinking we’ll have some similar kind of reset for the Great War on Covid.

325914 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 15, #773 of 1464 🔗

new ONS figures out tomorrow. then another email to my MP. he always responds and has become more sceptic over time and joined CRG.

Problem is, the only political opposition to this is from the CRG and they are so ‘brave’ when numbers are coming down and so ‘quiet’ when they are going up. You either have a position (lockdowns are worse than any benefit they provide) or you don’t. Your position shouldn’t be contingent on some shonky PCR tests and dodgy modelling

325920 ▶▶ Mark, replying to steve_w, 3, #774 of 1464 🔗

In fairness, there is a legitimate position that says “I’m not sure what the real truth is and I’m prepared to back lockdown if it’s really necessary but not if it isn’t, and necessity depends on whether lots of people will die”.

That’s a charitable way of interpreting a position that goes one way then the other according to how the numbers wind seems to be blowing.

Less charitable would be to assume that they are equally ignorant as to what is going on, and aware of their own ignorance, but are only concerned about getting the blame if they get it wrong.

325931 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #775 of 1464 🔗

Indeed, but this goes back to the fundamental failure of all those involved in this decisionmaking process to properly assess the costs – they have no real idea of the benefits (or at least had no real idea – now it’s evident that the benefits of lockdown are more or less nonexistent) but are aware there’s a slight chance of a big downside, but you can only really judge how to react to the possible downsides if you know what it’s costing you

They are paid to make judgements and take the blame if it goes wrong

325984 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 1, #776 of 1464 🔗

Absolutely true. My point is intended to address the internal consistency of a position that varies according to current information, not the basic culpability of all our elected representatives. Should probably have said “understandable” rather than “legitimate”.

It’s not legitimate because, as you say and like the entirety of the government’s position, it fails to properly place the emphasis on knowing the cost side of the cost/benefit balance before any action can possibly be justified.

326016 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Mark, #777 of 1464 🔗

Surely MPs can spot the inflated ‘case’ figures surge whenever their support or acquiescence is called for?

326034 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bugle, 3, #778 of 1464 🔗

I do know some perfectly decent, intelligent and even mildly sceptical people who are genuinely unsure what to make of all the numbers. Imo we need to be a bit careful to remember that we converse here from within an unusually well informed and also intellectually committed bubble of opinion wherein it is easy to be absolutist about the facts.

Which of course is not to dispute Julian’s point above about the higher duty on political representatives to inform themselves properly. But MPs should by no means be assumed to be unusually intelligent or well educated. Those are not the qualities tested for by our selection process.

326081 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 5, #779 of 1464 🔗

All good points. To an extent a workable life relies on taking things on trust, not evaluating every decision from a sceptic starting point.

But when you are indefinitely shutting down the world in an unprecedented way, some extra care is required.

Humans are very adaptable, which is a strength when the adversity you face is unavoidable but a weakness when it’s a massive own goal.

325918 Paul, 7, #780 of 1464 🔗

Now when calling my GP surgery you get a short message that says,’Please use the online ask- my -gp service,ONLY wait on the line for reception if you do not have a smartphone or internet access’,so the NHS putting even more distance between itself and patients.In my experience when using the online service for anything other than a consultation you get ignored.At least they’ve got rid of the 5 minute recorded message about covid and calling 111 instead of them.

325919 Crystal Decanter, 4, #781 of 1464 🔗

England in Tier 5
Neil Ferguson will be in Tier 69

325921 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #782 of 1464 🔗

Some interesting stuff in the Government’s briefing document from 21 Dec 2020 about the wildly dangerous you are all going to die again mutant strain:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948152/Technical_Briefing_VOC202012-2_Briefing_2_FINAL.pdf

Conclusion as we know – no signficant difference between the old and enw mutant strains.

But look who wrote it:

Authors:

PHE: Meera Chand, Susan Hopkins, Gavin Dabrera, Hester Allen, Theresa Lamagni, Obaghe Edeghere, Christina Achison; Richard Myers;

Imperial College London: Wendy Barclay, Neil Ferguson , Erik Volz; – did this cretin actually put his name to something truthful at long last?????

University of Birmingham: Nick Loman; University of Edinburgh: Andrew Rambaut;

Wellcome Sanger Institute: Jeff Barrett

Acknowledgements: The authors are grateful to those teams and groups providing data for this analysis, including:

the Lighthouse Laboratories
COG-UK,
the Wellcome Sanger Institute
the PHE Epidemiology Cell and outbreak surveillance team.

For queries relating to this document, please contact: PHE.NICC34@phe.gov.uk – I’m sure we can think of something to ask them

326010 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Awkward Git, #783 of 1464 🔗

Deleted.

326618 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Awkward Git, #784 of 1464 🔗

Here is a Twitter link to a pro-Lighthouse Laboratories website. Lots of people on their bandwagon.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Lighthouse+Laboratories

325929 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 18, #785 of 1464 🔗

The whole saga is now out that new mutant strain is a non-event. See earlier postings below multiple and also in BBC.

How could this develop into one of the biggest hysterias globally ever?

When reviewing the SAGE/NERVTAG minutes 21 st Dec everybody noticed the caution of the scientists in predicting this new variant. One can imagine the following question of the politician to the group
How probable is it being more infectious and among children?
Answer: probably not so likely considering being around since Sept but one cannot exclude anything due to the recent increase locally.
Second question from the politician. How quickly can you give a more robust answer?
Answer: PHE could most likely give a more considered answer doing an epidemiological study which could be finished in a week.
Hancock’s option was to wait a week or use the information opportunistically for his own purpose.
He chose the latter as he wanted lockdown and further SD measures rapidly.

By doing this he deserves a gold medal for creating the biggest hysteria for a very long time. Forty nations incl. Sweden started a blockade against UK flights and all started chasing dangerous spreaders everywhere including in the Alps. Politicians everywhere where trembling. Dr Fauci himself transformed himself in five days. From low risk to a dangerous mutations which makes test necessary for every UK visitor .New York’s mayor DiBlasio ordered deputy sheriffs to knock on every door where those dangerous Brits were hiding.

 I think Hancock should be given credit for exposing such a herd stupidity.

325940 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 7, #786 of 1464 🔗

Disgraceful. Needs outed before he does any more damage.

325941 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to swedenborg, 14, #787 of 1464 🔗

I just wish Joe Public would wake up. How blatant does it have to get before they uncouple themselves from the obviously corrupt narrative?

325953 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #788 of 1464 🔗

Its not just Joe Public, where are all the legal minds, the top Business minds, etc who are all subjected to this nonsense, why are they so compliant

325976 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DanClarke, 6, #789 of 1464 🔗

My guess is that a. many are compromised in some way – vested interests, bribes, contracts etc. b. many believed the hype and are now unwilling to do a u-turn in case it harms their reputation/gets them fired etc. c. many are probably happy that their businesses are paid to tick along nicely with taxpayers’ money and may be able to use the covid as an excuse to ditch assets that have become liabilities.
IIRC I have only heard of ONE elected public official – a councillor in the W.Midlands – who has publicly announced he will not abide by Covid regulations.

326005 ▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to swedenborg, 7, #790 of 1464 🔗

I agree. The mutating and allegedly faster spreading virus is very useful for lockdown zealots.

Clearly, the lock downs do not work. The virus seems to do what it does anyway. We have a similar level of respiratory illness to a standard December and we are only calling it Covid because the PCR test tells us it is. With no PCR tests going on we would call it flu, bad colds or whatever else. Same basic outcome though in terms of pressure on hospitals and so forth. A normal winter in the Northern Hemisphere.

The alleged faster spreading mutant ninja virus allows government, scientists and media to believe that the lock downs work despite that. Their belief is that this new mutation is faster spreading and the lock downs are the only thing stopping it from spreading everywhere. So, in their minds lock downs work and we need more of them! Without the mutation, this would be a much harder line to sell, I believe.

This is cognitive dissonance on a seriously grand scale though. Hancock really is General Haig leading a bunch of willing fools into the twentieth first century equivalent of the Third Battle of Ypres.

326192 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Stephensceptic, 2, #791 of 1464 🔗

Today we have two reports today to digest, which almost illustrate that we now should rely more on collected real data rather than predictions modelling. Obviously, in the beginning of the pandemic modelling had a place as one factor in the public health response. As time has progressed, real data must have a higher value at the expense of predictive models. Today we read the predictions in a report done by the SAGE team what the mutant strain could do for the NHS all based upon modelling. And today PHE published an epidemiological study based upon real data which tell a completely different story. The two reports contradict each other and we must throw away the predictions and go for the real data.

326116 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #792 of 1464 🔗

What is the charge used when someone falsely shouts ‘FIRE!’ in a crowded venue?

325936 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 13, #793 of 1464 🔗

When are the legal prosecutions going to begin. Sage and the Politicians must think this the greatest scam ever, they can hardly stop smirking, especially when they see The Muzzled

325985 ▶▶ stevie, replying to DanClarke, #794 of 1464 🔗

I think cabinet papers can be released in twenty years time now (was thirty years)

325938 liztr835, replying to liztr835, 16, #795 of 1464 🔗

A worrying trend where I am in the South East, young men/teenagers wearing the male equivalent of the Niqab, dark coloured/black trousers, black hoodie pulled up and bandana style face covering so you can barely see their eyes, literally covered from head to toe, and wearing this everywhere, not just in shops, but just walking around on the street, quite intimidating, looking like they are about to rob you. There must be something wrong with a young man who does this, they know they are not going to die of the virus. Older men dont do it, they just wear a regular face nappy, but I wonder why young men are doing this.

325942 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to liztr835, 14, #796 of 1464 🔗

I imagine many of them enjoy looking intimidating. After all, there’s nothing else for them to do to amuse themsevles, other than gaming, I suppose.

325959 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to liztr835, 9, #797 of 1464 🔗

Snowflake pandemic. First panic of the social media generation, unfortunately the genie is out of the bottle so we can look forward to this level of panic and gross stupidity for the rest of our lives. Government are weak and scared of social media, so now we have the country run by the likes of the buffoon and trying to keep twitter, FB and the like happy.

325978 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to liztr835, 12, #798 of 1464 🔗

Before all of this bullshit they would of been stopped and searched by the police refused entry to shops and pubs dressed like that but now they will be stopped and searched by the police and refused entry to shops and pubs if they don’t dress that way

325946 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 14, #799 of 1464 🔗

Something to look forward to next year?

Covid-19: ‘This is not the big one’, WHO chief says https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1229/1186786-coronavirus-global/

Extracts:

  • “This is a wake-up call,” WHO emergencies chief Michael Ryan told reporters at a briefing marking a year since the UN agency first learned of the new virus spreading in China.
  • “This pandemic… has spread around the world extremely quickly and it has affected every corner of this planet, but this is not necessarily the big one,” Mr Ryan added.
  • “We need to get ready for something that may even be more severe in the future”.

————————————————————————————
As many on here know already, 2020 has been just the warm up act. Prepare for an exciting 2021.

325948 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, 10, #800 of 1464 🔗

Let’s hope to fuck this one actually kills people; that will save Governments making up numbers.

326051 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 4, #801 of 1464 🔗

Still not wearing a muzzle – rather catch it and die anyway

325967 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to godowneasy, 4, #802 of 1464 🔗

They would only know if they have it planned, just like Covid 19, they had Event 201 first to play with

326002 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to godowneasy, 1, #803 of 1464 🔗

I thought just before this one they ran all sorts of simulations and were prepared? Clearly just not the preparation we thought.

326599 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to godowneasy, #804 of 1464 🔗

Scare mongerer. All pre-planned. Defund the W.H.O. Live the good life.

325952 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #806 of 1464 🔗

Chilling warning to us all from the WEF

https://mobile.twitter.com/wef/status/1343931054382608385

325968 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #807 of 1464 🔗

Yep! the WEF is showing it’s true colours now,

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/08/systemic-change-are-you-ready-for-what-it-means?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social_scheduler&utm_term=Social+Innovation&utm_content=29/12/2020+14:45

Remeber folks you won’t even own your pants when these guys are finished. THE FIGHT MUST CONTINUE

325979 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #808 of 1464 🔗

It’s amazing that people who call themselves philanthropists have an article with a photo at the top of it of a young woman being forcibly handled by police. And we’re supposed to believe that these people have our best interests at heart?

326591 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to godowneasy, 1, #809 of 1464 🔗

Sadistic.Evil. Need to be exterminated.

325986 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #810 of 1464 🔗

The comments are good though

325955 Crimson Avenger, replying to Crimson Avenger, 9, #811 of 1464 🔗

May I suggest that the best use for one of the unused nightingale hospices would be to rehouse Parliarment in what they would regard publicly as covid safe arrangements? That way they could go and do what they call work and we could see them doing it or not.

325972 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Crimson Avenger, 16, #812 of 1464 🔗

How about we just place all the MP’s and SAGE in one of those unused nightigale hospitals and just blow it up. That would save about 1 million lives.

326009 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Andrew K, #813 of 1464 🔗

They would only elect another lot, although I can’t tell you when of course.

326040 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Andrew K, 6, #814 of 1464 🔗

I would pay to actually see that happen.

325956 RickH, 5, #815 of 1464 🔗

I am waiting to see what the reaction is to the ‘Investigation’ of the new variant.

One of the barriers to understanding that I have found is the unwillingness to see that the pseudo-scientific propaganda machine has been telling massive porkies right from the start. I understand that impulse towards trust.

… but underneath this mild scientific paper is indisputable proof of the sort of fictions that have been created, and the false crises generated.

Any bets on the range of probing investigative journalism that will blow the gaff on this one?

325960 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 6, #816 of 1464 🔗

Blair was on video telling Ferguson ‘there is not enough compliance’, so when we think back to the beginning, and they were announcing regularly that things would get back to normal with the VACCINE, we can see what the lockdown’s are meant to do, have people gagging for their vaccine to get back to normal.

325998 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DanClarke, 5, #817 of 1464 🔗

I am reminded of the infamous Iraq War video: “KEEP FIRING….KEEP FIRING….KEEP FIRING….”.

325962 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 6, #818 of 1464 🔗

No further news of the much more deadly South African variant or are they saving that entertainment for the New Year?

325969 ▶▶ dpj, replying to George Mc, 4, #819 of 1464 🔗

As far as I know it was only described as more dangerous on one person’s twitter (SA version of Hancock) and they have now backtracked.

325994 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to dpj, 2, #820 of 1464 🔗

Britain leading the world again.

325973 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #821 of 1464 🔗

Faced with a likely (which means inevitable) second Thai lockdown and government scolding the population for not obeying the rules – when the actual reason for the current outbreak is the racist treatment of Burmese migrant labour by mafia-like organisations closely allied to the corrupt immigration service and the government – I have this evening parted company with the one person I could actually talk to about this stuff in real life because I am, apparently, not being realistic and understanding that I have no power. I don’t know what to do or where to go from here. I shan’t make any decisions tonight because I am in a bar drinking too much. I think I have about two weeks to decide where I want to be locked down. Bangkok is a bad choice. It’s dirty and grim and there is no solace. One night in Bangkok is fun if you’re on holiday and Richard Stilgoe collaborating with ABBA, but in the real world it’s more than enough. By the sea would be nice if I can manage it and by the sea there may well be more clandestine activity, unless they shut down the social apps. I need another beer.

325993 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #822 of 1464 🔗

Sad that you have to choose where to be locked down, but having been to Thailand a few times I vote to head to the sea.

326000 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #823 of 1464 🔗

Go to the sea or head to the hills.

Backwoods.

326003 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #824 of 1464 🔗

The reality of course is that we have all the power, if only a majority of us realised it.

326070 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #825 of 1464 🔗

I’ve been to Thailand a couple of times. My choice would be one of the smaller seaside resorts that haven’t been taken over by Russian tourists and Aussies looking for girlfriends. Bangkok I agree isn’t that nice (although not too bad by SE Asian standards away from the main roads) and up-country gets very hot and sweaty.

325987 Major Panic, 3, #826 of 1464 🔗

just an idea, but its way beyond me so i offer it for free;

”Woke Free TV” – doesn’t need a 1000 page plan – the name says it all

A News program would be welcomed by many as there is none currently and, apparently, there are 3 successful unemployed presenters with a proven concept for a program called ”Sporting Questions”

325989 Biker, replying to Biker, 12, #827 of 1464 🔗

I’ve just found out Your the disgusting facist faggots have banned Talk Radio from uploading. They are truly evil. The lockdown isn’t just stay in the house it’s a total lockdown of information. I can’t imagine even this site will last much longer.

325996 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Biker, 5, #828 of 1464 🔗

If you want to stage a coup, you have to control the flow of information.

326024 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bugle, 7, #829 of 1464 🔗

There has been a coup over the last year, never has the influence of the establishment on media and technology been so obvious to the public (yet most are completely blind to it). The UK and other ‘western democracies’ aren’t free societies, they are as centrally controlled as many of the ‘dictatorships’ such as Belarus – they are just more honest and the people realise how the system works.

Remember in the UK if you currently disagree with the establishment on lockdowns and mandatory Covid vaccines you are considered to be a ‘domestic terrorist’. Even lawful citizens have their entire online history monitored and information stored by GCHQ and the CIA – at least the Stasi and KGB only had paper records.

326007 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Biker, 4, #830 of 1464 🔗

Might make some of their pro-government hosts sit up and take notice.

326020 ▶▶ mj, replying to Biker, #831 of 1464 🔗

was this meant to say Youtube? Talk Radio is still available live on YT. just watched it. And there are other videos on there ? So what has been banned ?

326033 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to mj, 4, #832 of 1464 🔗

New recorded videos I think, there hasn’t been any for a week.

326038 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to DRW, 1, #833 of 1464 🔗

I noticed that as well. I’d always look for Peter Hitchens on Mondays and I can no longer find his segments. It’s been at least 2 weeks.

326046 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #834 of 1464 🔗

I found that too. However, if you log onto the live programme you can rewind to previous programmes – or at least you could, haven’t needed to do so as MG has been off for the past week. Only watch him and Dan Wootton who is (sadly) being replaced this week by James Max.

326065 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to kh1485, #835 of 1464 🔗

It’s not coming up in my live feed so they’re obviously doing their best to make sure you don’t listen

326089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ tarfu, replying to tarfu, #837 of 1464 🔗
326166 ▶▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #838 of 1464 🔗

Just watched this, uploaded yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntwDEeN91Mw

325992 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 13, #839 of 1464 🔗

https://www.rt.com/uk/510961-lbc-host-anti-lockdown-rant/

Maajid Nawaz lambasts lockdown addiction and receives much support

326066 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to wendyk, 4, #840 of 1464 🔗

I’ve been impressed with Mr Nawaz recently – being a Muzzie he knows religious zealotry when he sees it

326443 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Crystal Decanter, #841 of 1464 🔗

He actually appreciates the preciousness of freedom, apparently many don’t

325999 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 7, #842 of 1464 🔗

If the government are going to impose draconian lockdowns on us, you would think the government should be able to provide evidence to justify these restrictions but when I send FOI requests to the government, this evidence is not forthcoming. I have split the lockdown justifications and result of FOI requests into separate posts.

326001 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Ianric, 8, #843 of 1464 🔗

Lockdown justification: covid is highly infectious. If people with covid interacted with others they would infect them.
Result of FOI request: The E mail below was sent to the NHS and they were unable to answer my questions and I was told to contact Public Health England

“Sir Patrick Vaccine

Not so dangerous
Risk of catching coronavirus from a family member you live with is just 17% and only one in three people pass it on their spouse, study finds

Researchers analyzed 54 studies with more 77,000 participants reporting household secondary transmission of coronavirus

Risk of catching coronavirus from a family member you live with is just 16.6% | Daily Mail Online

Can the following questions be answered

1) Has any research been carried out by the NHS how infectious people with covid are and what are the results of this research. Was it found that people who lived with covid sufferers or had been in close contact also catch covid. Have people who have been admitted to hospital with covid infected staff or patients. By infecting I mean actually becoming ill and not positive PCR tests as there is a dispute how reliable these tests are.

2) This is from a document by an anti lockdown group regarding PCR tests.

“why is it necessary with this test for the swab to be inserted all the way to the cribiform plate conntected to the brain when according to doctors an in cheek swab would be sufficient?

Modern science can take a swab from the inside of your mouth and do a complete DNA mapping. If covid 19 is so contagious that tiny microscopic particles of saliva in your mouth and nose could spread 6 feet and you need to wear a mask, why not swab the inside of your highly infectious mouth? “

Is this statement correct that swab tests can tell if someone is carrying in infectious respiratory disease such as covid and does the NHS carry out these tests. Is possible for someone to breathe on a surface and the saliva be tested to see if carries an infectious virus and does the NHS use such a test.

326006 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to Ianric, 5, #844 of 1464 🔗

Lockdown justification: Cases are rising and restrictions are necessary to prevent further infections.
Result of FOI request: The following E mail was sent to the NHS to establish were cases were coming from. The NHS sent a reply saying this was not the responsibility of the NHS but the Department of Health and Social Care. The E mail was sent to the Department of Health and Social Care on the 23 rd of November and an acknowledgement of the query was received on the same day but no response has been received to my query.

“I would like to make a freedom of information request on two subjects.

Subject 1

Can you provide the following information for positive tests results for coronavirus which were done from the 1st of September until the 23rd of October throughout the whole of the UK

In which centres were these tests carried out
How many attended each day in the period I requested.
How many positive results were obtained each day.

Subject 2

Can the following questions be answered.

Are people who were told they tested positive without being tested included in positive test statistics

Since the beginning of lockdown in March, are there statistics available on the number of those who were classed as testing positive without being tested.”

326008 ▶▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to Ianric, 6, #845 of 1464 🔗

Lockdown justification: Asymptomatic people can spread coronavirus which is why lockdown rules must apply to everyone.
Result of FOI request: The E mail below was sent to the NHS and as can be seen the NHS couldn’t answer a single question.

“I would like to make a freedom of information request regarding the subject of asymptomatic transmission. Could the following questions be answered :-

* Has any research been carried out by the government into asymptomatic transmission.

* If research has been carried out into asymptomatic transmission, can the following be answered

How do asymptomatic carriers spread the disease as unlike symptomatic carriers they will not cough or sneeze.

How long do asymptomatic carriers stay infectious.

Are asymptomatic less or just as infectious as symptomatic carriers.

* Have there been documented instances of people who tested positive but had no symptoms and those around them fell I’ll.

* Is the possibility of healthy asymptomatic people spreading coronavirus a major factor in placing draconian lockdown laws on the entire healthy population.

* If there is no evidence of asymptomatic transmission, would the government still feel draconian lockdowns which apply to whole population would be justified.

The NHS doesn’t hold this information”

326058 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ianric, #846 of 1464 🔗

That’s not how authoritarian governments work unfortunately

326011 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 71, #847 of 1464 🔗

If anyone else fed up to the back teeth with oncoming pedestrians hiding around corners, in driveways, et cetera in order to avoid walking past you on the pavement and then expecting you to say Thank you? I’m not playing this foolish game. A man was stood around a corner while my son and I walked past. My son was directly behind me and we had left plenty of room for the man to walk past. But he practically hid. I caught his eye and he clearly wanted a Thank you for his efforts. I stopped and said (paraphrasing somewhat), ‘Mate, I’m not a rude person, but I’m not saying Thank you for being treated by my fellow human being as if I have the plague. There’s plenty of room on this pavement for both of us, this is not the plague, and I’m not playing along with this nonsense.’

I asked my son if I embarrassed him (he’s 10), and he said I had a bit, so I explained my actions, that I was standing by my convictions, pointed out that I wasn’t rude and that I had a smile on my face, and told him he’ll understand when he’s older.

326015 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to common conservative, 11, #848 of 1464 🔗

Good for you.

326017 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to common conservative, 21, #849 of 1464 🔗

Oh yes. I had a similar situation the other day. Funny thing was I could see the person who had ‘let’ me go first was itching to say something snarky but just couldn’t muster the courage to do so. I too am not a rude person and if someone is courteous, I always say “thank you” but I won’t do so to acquiesce to someone who is merely virtue signalling.

326019 ▶▶ Kat, replying to common conservative, 18, #850 of 1464 🔗

I understand exactly how you feel. I have the same problem. I’m not a rude person normally either but I now just ignore people when they jump out of the way because otherwise, I would end up saying something really offensive. Well done on telling the truth.

326031 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Kat, 6, #851 of 1464 🔗

Indeed, Kat. Until today I had either ignored these people or said Hello instead of the Thank you they so utterly crave, depending on my mood. But no more.

326026 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to common conservative, 16, #852 of 1464 🔗

The last time someone did that to me I gave them an extended “death stare”. Didn’t say a word. They visibly shrunk and crouched even lower behind the wheelie bin they had picked to protect them from the plague. Idiot.

326036 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Richard O, 4, #853 of 1464 🔗

To be fair, I could easily have a pint with you, Richard!

326032 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to common conservative, 18, #854 of 1464 🔗

As parents it is sometimes our duty to embarrass our kids! In this case you set a great example for your son. When I still lived in Toronto I would never move out of the way for anyone — if they were scared of getting too close to me it was incumbent upon them to dodge me, not the other way around. I got into verbal arguments with people a few times, so it’s probably a good thing I left the city.

326055 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #855 of 1464 🔗

The world’s gone utterly mad, Lisa.

326050 ▶▶ l835, replying to common conservative, 7, #856 of 1464 🔗

I just stop at the narrowest part of the pavement and wave them on…

326056 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to common conservative, 9, #857 of 1464 🔗

I have been unmasked in the shops for months, but had my first ‘cowering away’ person today – closely followed by another one! I suspect it’s due to the ‘Mutant’ propaganda that’s going around. I too have got fed up with the exaggerated standing aside and the waiting for thanks. I just ignore it now or say ‘good morning/afternoon’ which I would say anyway.

326060 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to common conservative, 6, #858 of 1464 🔗

I just start pretend coofing
just for the lols
fuck ’em

326122 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #859 of 1464 🔗

I find blowing my nose causes alarm. They can’t accuse me of ‘spreading the virus’ because I’m using a handkerchief.

326104 ▶▶ dommo, replying to common conservative, 3, #860 of 1464 🔗

very well done to you sir!!! he will indeed understand, and be very proud

326143 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to common conservative, 1, #861 of 1464 🔗

Did this bedwetter say anything back to you?

326181 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Andrew K, 1, #862 of 1464 🔗

He was taken aback at first, looked confused, and when he’d finally caught up he nodded and smiled rather pathetically.

326598 ▶▶ Janette, replying to common conservative, 1, #863 of 1464 🔗

Great we all need to do this.

326013 mouser, replying to mouser, 2, #864 of 1464 🔗

Neil Mccoy Ward has uploaded his 2nd video of the series based on a ’90 year old diary predicting the next depression’ which focuses on financial corruption during the 1930s in the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82t6kIB4ts4

For those who missed it, this is the link for the 1st video which focused on food, housing, unemployment & dance marathons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdhEnzZ6EuM

Neil is reading from “The Great Depression: A Diary” by Benjamin Roth

326136 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to mouser, 1, #865 of 1464 🔗

Great video’s, always a good reminder of how history repeats itself.

326014 ksm1962, replying to ksm1962, 24, #866 of 1464 🔗

3 weeks years to flatten the curve and protect the NHS. When Bevin set up the NHS I bet he envisioned it as a service that would need to be protected by the people.

What next? Defend the army from aggressors both foreign and domestic. Serve and Protect the police?

326029 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to ksm1962, 36, #867 of 1464 🔗

Turned the tables on HMRC this morning. Having been kept hanging on for an eternity, listening to their moronic recorded message, when someone finally answered, I asked if she could hold the line because I was in the middle of serving a customer. She did not like that one bit!

326043 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 5, #868 of 1464 🔗

I do this, too. I tell them I was waiting so long I decided to put the kettle on; would they mind waiting till I make a cuppa. Then I make them listen to the music from my phone; a decent cuppa takes a good while to brew, you know.

Top tip: download Spring by Frankie Vivaldi and the Four Seasons onto your phone; it’s a big favourite with the government departments.

326063 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 5, #869 of 1464 🔗

Great stuff. I started answering the phone to cold callers by saying “Paaaandemic Hotline” (from one of the JP Sears’ superlative videos). That got rid of them pretty sharpish.

326092 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 5, #870 of 1464 🔗

Excellent idea! Will be doing that myself. How about answering with ‘NHS Track and Trace, this call is being recorded for monitoring purposes. How may I help you?’

326144 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cranmer, 1, #871 of 1464 🔗

Oh yes, will try that the next time I get a “we’ve noticed that you are paying too much for your electricity …” call.

326053 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, 6, #872 of 1464 🔗

Would be quite amusing conducting the whole conversation ss though you were a recorded message…”Your response is important to me but currently all my brain cells are busy dealing with what you just told me. I’m sorry I didn’t understand that. Cam you repeat that? If the answer is yes, please say yes.”

326153 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, #873 of 1464 🔗

But we do.

326155 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, #874 of 1464 🔗

And how!

326030 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to ksm1962, 8, #875 of 1464 🔗

Does anyone even remember that curve let alone the flattening? It’s all just an advertising jingle. I can’t even recall the one they brought in after that. “Turning point” or some such. Have we had “zero tolerance” yet? There must be a team of jargon producers up there working on the next punch line.

326045 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to George Mc, 3, #876 of 1464 🔗

I like to repeat the slogans multiple times in (literal) parrot fashion, it really grates on people. Especially the vintage ones like this that they may have forgotten.

326069 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Richard O, 3, #877 of 1464 🔗

I like repeating, “social distancing”, “stay safe” and “we’ve all got to our bit” in a snowflake voice.

326064 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to George Mc, 5, #878 of 1464 🔗

“Five tests” wasn’t it? Or was that Gordon Brown?

326107 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to George Mc, #879 of 1464 🔗

Wasn’t it “contwol the viwus”?

326118 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to George Mc, 3, #880 of 1464 🔗

The other day in the Post Office I saw a big poster about masks, hand goo, social distancing etc. But no mention of Covid or indeed any reason why this was all necessary. I suspect there will be more and more propaganda like this, so that this madness gradually becomes part of ‘normal’ life.

326018 EllGee, 32, #881 of 1464 🔗

I am a law-breaker! Returned home today from a Christmas break in a different tier to my own and we stayed in a hotel that was open & welcoming guests. The booking was made when everybody could go away for 5 days, then somebody changed their mind once more & the mass panic broke out (again). To be fair to the hotel I rang them and their reply of “hotel bookings systems don’t follow Government dictats” said all we needed to know.

Best bit of the trip was being able to walk into a cafe and sit there to eat & have a drink. 100s of people out and about and the big majority had faces that nature designed, no manmade additions. Our trip away was to a large town with its own Nightingale Hospital. With everything kicking off again surely it must be busy? Nope. It’s being used as an outpatients clinic for radiology patients. Covid? No because the health authority can’t afford to run it

326025 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #882 of 1464 🔗

The response that I have, so far, from my MP is that ‘Unless the overwhelming weight of global professional scientific opinion and the overwhelming weight of political activity across the whole planet is wrong then I do not think it is realistic to say that we can ‘swiftly return the economy to a normal footing’. That appears to be the majority view in parliament……sounds familiar………’the science is settled’ etc.

Then we have someone called Mr Greg Norman, who is, apparently, a golfer and now has a headache and his beer tastes funny…..but is on the road to complete recovery.

The man has not even contracted pneumonia but still feels able to offer really useful advice like, for example: ‘Please take care….’ although he was luckily able to take part in last week’s PNC tournament in Orlando, no doubt for a healthy stipend…….

I feel a ‘Lockdown Prune of the Week’ award may shortly be in the post to you, Mr Norman….but well done anyway.

326068 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #883 of 1464 🔗

Unless the overwhelming weight of global professional scientific opinion and the overwhelming weight of political activity across the whole planet is wrong “

Ask him if he saw crowds of people appearing to jump off a cliff to their death or maiming, for no apparent definite reason, whether he would follow them. It’s a preposterous, lazy argument – if the case for lockdowns is so good and obvious, make it yourself and own it, don’t just say you’re following everyone else. What does he think we pay him for?

As Desmond Swayne said, Herd Stupidity

326027 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 20, #884 of 1464 🔗

Went into Costco with a bit of a runny nose
The good thing about the visor is you can still snot all over everything
which I duly did
bought nothing

326035 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #885 of 1464 🔗

great idea, browse around costco looking ill and infectious, and buy nothing

326076 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Major Panic, 3, #886 of 1464 🔗

It’s really not hard to look ill and infectious on a cold morning.

326059 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #887 of 1464 🔗

That’s what I like to hear.

326042 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 20, #888 of 1464 🔗

Two old ladies in the Post Office today. Of course, fully masked and with winter woolie hats on and coats buttoned up to the chin. ‘You’re looking really well dear,’ said one. How on earth could she tell?!

326048 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cranmer, 20, #889 of 1464 🔗

I think being elderly AND alive counts as ‘looking really well’ thesedays. 😉

326150 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 3, #890 of 1464 🔗

It’s what you conventionally say to an old biddy who looks to be at death’s door.

326057 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 12, #891 of 1464 🔗

Reasons to be cheerful part 399: “Police turn back large numbers of people from the Brecon beacons from as far away as London”.
F××k teir 4, Johnson and Drakeford.

326071 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #892 of 1464 🔗

turn away how??
it is so easy to lose the pigs on the Beacons – just go the long meandering way round or pretend to get “lost”

326073 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #893 of 1464 🔗

Great news.

326067 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 3, #894 of 1464 🔗

Tiffany Dover is dead according to this video – checked at ancestry.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNs-i8OqxQ

326190 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to rockoman, 1, #895 of 1464 🔗

Wouldn’t be surprised if they are just playing games with the public, and that she will appear somewhen saying saying she’s never been so healthy and we should all get jabbed. The whole event just looked incredibly fake even by American TV’s low standards.

326208 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to rockoman, 1, #896 of 1464 🔗

watched the ‘proof’ she was not dead, not particularly convincing – but I sincerely hope, for her kids sake at least, that she is alive and well

326072 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 8, #897 of 1464 🔗

Work instructions: Don’t forget to manically wipe down your computer terminal when leaving and disinfect your workspace. But what is the true meaning of this? Is it not an expression of loathing for your very bodily existence? All under cover of a concern to protect others who you are not allowed to approach, all hiding their faces according to the wishes of psychopathic overlords who cannot abide the idea of any people meeting in their own groups to socialise and – the ultimate risk – to form their own ideas and ask their own questions.

No it must not happen. The only reality to be permitted is the reality bestowed from above. The overlords can no longer permit any freedom of movement or of thought. This is now THEIR world. And don’t you forget it!

326188 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to George Mc, #898 of 1464 🔗

I do that with shared keyboards, telephones, desks, drawer handles, door handles etc anyway in shared offices when I arrive and weekly afterwards- I’ve read hitchikers guide and know what nasty stuff you can catch from them.

No really, I’ve seen teh swab results and I work with some really manky people.

326077 PFD, replying to PFD, 1, #899 of 1464 🔗

Schools to open a week later!

tes.com/news

326078 ▶▶ PFD, replying to PFD, #900 of 1464 🔗

tes.com/news

326110 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to PFD, 4, #901 of 1464 🔗

Week later better than not at all but there is still time for a Boris trademark U-turn.

326157 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Ricky1, 1, #902 of 1464 🔗

U turn if you want to – the pasty fatty’s already turned

326115 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to PFD, 1, #903 of 1464 🔗

Fuck me the comments are scary. We have a long way to go.

326424 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 2, #904 of 1464 🔗

They can’t be saved. If they still believe an asymptomatic 4 year old is a danger to a 35 year old, neither of whom have any risk to serious illness even if they were so unlucky as to see symptoms, then they are lost forever. I honestly can’t think of a route back for them. Even if it collapsed tomorrow and Hancock was sent to jail, they’d start a GoFundMe to help his release campaign

326079 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 12, #905 of 1464 🔗

Seems like vaccinees are queuing up for the second shot now. According to trial volunteers it is the second shot which is really challenging and that probably led to manufacturers to warn tgat being vaccinated is “not a walk in the park”. I wonder whether many old and frail people won’t find it just too challenging. Of course can expect any consequential deaths to be ascribed to other factors.

326088 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to OKUK, 4, #906 of 1464 🔗

We all know what any additional hospital admissions will be put down to.

326096 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to OKUK, 5, #907 of 1464 🔗

That’s worrying, how can vulnerable people withstand something they openly admit to being ‘challenging’.

326138 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to OKUK, 2, #908 of 1464 🔗

Of course can expect any consequential deaths to be ascribed to other factors.

Yup! The return of dying from ‘old age’, for example.

Unvaccinated old people die from Covid-19; vaccinated old people die from natural causes.

326162 ▶▶ ZigZag, replying to OKUK, 1, #909 of 1464 🔗

It seems that after wearing three different masks in the course of her hospital visit for the first jab, old Margaret decided she didn’t need one at all for her second dose.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-55478675

She must have instant immunity.

326358 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to ZigZag, 1, #910 of 1464 🔗

She still doesn’t look 91

326414 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, #911 of 1464 🔗

I have to agree. She looks extremely well at 91

326080 Fred, replying to Fred, 30, #912 of 1464 🔗

The key difference between a “conspiracy theory” and a “theory” is that the latter is testable and, ultimately, falsifiable. For instance, my theory is that at least some members of SAGE and its subsidiary committees are, to borrow a term from the world of John Le Carré novels, “compromised;” in other words, my theory is that, at worst, they are in the pay of the Chinese government, or at best, they have financial interests in the pursuit of policies that mimic Chinese lockdowns and, in doing so, better China’s international financial position vis-à-vis western governments. We know, of course, that Susan Michie is/was a card-carrying member of the British Communist Party. But I wonder whether things go a lot deeper than ideology and get down to the level of people’s wallets. Yes, these people are well-paid. But they’re not that well-paid. We know it happens in sport, so why not here? It’s arguable and needs exploring. To test this hypothesis, I would therefore like the public (or at least, say, the National Audit Office, FCA, whatever) to have access to the meta-data from every type of “incoming payment” made directly or indirectly (e.g. via close family members) to each and every SAGE committee member over the past 10-15 years: each SIPP, trust fund, current account, ISA, share dealing account payment into each onshore and offshore structure (etc etc) that is either in their name, their family’s name or the name of their associated companies/investment vehicles. I would be very, very interested to see those details. It seems only fair that we should get this meta-data and be able to test this theory. If there’s nothing in it, then my theory has been disproved and we can put their societally destructive actions down to groupthink and/or a desire to punish the working-classes for voting for Brexit. All I’m asking is for transparency and the ability to test an important hypothesis. After all, MPs have their Register of Members’ Financial Interests. Scientists, too, when publishing peer-reviewed work have to declare their financial interests (i.e. who’s funded their work). I could go on. To the best of my knowledge, however, SAGE have to declare nothing other than “other public appointments,” “previous public appointments,” “personal and business interests,” and “political activity.” It sounds quite a lot, but you don’t have to be a genius to work out that none of that need include non-appointment and/or role based financial incentives/payments (which might mean “bungs,” of course; but might also mean any number of other things too, which, whilst no doubt correct to the letter of the law, might cause us to question their objectivity and impartiality). It’s unacceptable that a group that has now accrued such extra-parliamentary executive power is not subject to this national-security level of financial scrutiny and audit. Their decisions, their media-leaking and their non-scientific, deeply political lobbying of the Cabinet means that they now hold great sway over the legislative, executive and judiciary arms of the UK’s Parliamentary system. They’re pushing, again and again, for Chinese style lockdown policies that are killing the psychological and social health of this country. Yet we know next to nothing about the skin they’ve got in the game. This needs a petition on Chang.org. It needs 100,000 signatures. And it needs MPs to then debate it in Parliament.

326083 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fred, 9, #913 of 1464 🔗

Chinese propaganda lockdowns. China never has had a national lockdown, even at the “height” of the pandemic. This is why the CCP-controlled WHO formally don’t recommend lockdowns even though the WHO rep here (the appalling Nabarro) always, but always, backs the lockdown “cure” in the UK.

326085 ▶▶▶ Fred, replying to OKUK, 6, #914 of 1464 🔗

It’s an idea that was born in China, and has been transported here, as an idea, by SAGE. That’s my point. Notwithstanding, and whilst I agree with what you’re saying, that doesn’t detract from the other part of my argument, that these policies are deeply damaging to the UK/West and deeply beneficial to China, as the world’s creditor.

326090 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Fred, 1, #915 of 1464 🔗

Fred,

who benefits from China being blamed?

326102 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to rockoman, 1, #916 of 1464 🔗

I don’t know what post you’re responding to. But I don’t see how your question can be in response to what I actually wrote. It’s not a question of blaming China in any way shape or form. They’re free to do what they want to do. My issue is with SAGE.

326108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Fred, #917 of 1464 🔗

That’s strange.

326114 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Fred, 2, #918 of 1464 🔗

I see western problems as home-grown.

The western financial system is finished. Its welfare systems are bankrupt.

It’s not dificult to see plenty of internal resons for western leaderships to want to take tighter control.

326105 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to rockoman, 2, #919 of 1464 🔗

Those who are really to blame. Blaming China is a distraction tactic.

326211 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Rowan, 1, #920 of 1464 🔗

The first port of call is the PM and others in the UK leadership. They had a choice.

I suppose it is interesting to speculate about other actors, and certainly notable that China has suffered less. Yes, we are their creditors but as we become weak they become relatively stronger. Maybe they believe it is a zero-sum game.

I certainly think if there’s any kind of conspiracy than China is more in a position to pull it off than groups of private individuals and NGOs.

326100 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Fred, 2, #921 of 1464 🔗

The WHO is controlled by Bill Gates and whether he is controlled by China is a different matter, though it seems unlikely.

326119 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Fred, #922 of 1464 🔗

delete

326201 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to rockoman, #923 of 1464 🔗

for example china finances a port in sri lanka . it then builds it . Sri Lanka owes billions on it . cannot pay the interest .. OK says China.. you will lease it to us for nothing for 50 years and whoopee we have a naval base in the Indian ocean.

326084 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Fred, 2, #924 of 1464 🔗

I am not a fan of the ‘China did it’ theory.

It reminds me of Big Brother pointing the finger at Goldstein.

Some wnt us to go to war with Eurasia, others with Eastasia.

326095 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to rockoman, 6, #925 of 1464 🔗

The virus coming from a wet market in Wuhan must be completely false as even the MSM went silent on that pretty quickly.

Covid-19 seems to benefit the wealthy/powerful and the military industrial complex. The prospect of having every human on earth chipped, tracked and their health statistics being uploaded 24/7 is a long time dream for the technocratic globalists in the West who for some reason seem to view China as a model society, not the dystopia many of us view it as.

326106 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Darryl, 2, #926 of 1464 🔗

Agree with a lot of what you say.

My basic opinion is that our financial system is finished and that Western leaders are moving, of their own accord, to tighten their grip in order to deal with the fallout.

326139 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to rockoman, 1, #927 of 1464 🔗

Financial system has been completely rotten / misallocating capital for over 20 years. They just keep the show on the road by creating more and more digital money. The Chinese have the unenviable position of holding billions in US Treasury notes – which is quite a bizarre situation to be in if you believe that relations are really that hostile.

326128 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Darryl, 2, #928 of 1464 🔗

The virus coming from a wet market in Wuhan must be completely false as even the MSM went silent on that pretty quickly.

They had no choice; that market didn’t/doesn’t sell bats.

326086 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Fred, 3, #929 of 1464 🔗

They may also have been compromised fiddling with children. this is all too often what these fuckers do:-

Belfast’s Kincora scandal and MI5 must be part of Westminster paedophile inquiry – Ken Livingstone (derrysinnfein.ie)

Kincora: UK child abuse inquiry must look at Belfast boys’ home, says Amnesty International – BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Mi5 getting pictures of young boys being abused. How fucking disgusting.

326097 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Fred, 2, #930 of 1464 🔗

Fred,

agree with your position that many, perhaps all of these people are probably compromised, and that it would be interesting to get hold of the details, but I don’t see it as in China’s interest, although they – or a faction – may have played a part at some level.

If anything, I see it as the dollar-centric financial system ‘circling the wagons’, after the repo crisis of 2019 called time.

326099 ▶▶▶ Fred, replying to rockoman, 1, #931 of 1464 🔗

Like I say, all I have is a theory. That’s all. In testing it, I might/will be proven wrong. That’s fine. That’s how democracies work. Or used to work.

326109 ▶▶ 10navigator, replying to Fred, #932 of 1464 🔗

Fred, there are many folk who are now swilling in money as a result of Covid debacle who could well ‘bung’ millions for favours rendered and not blink and eye. Apparently at least 50 new billionaires were created in 2020, due to the nascent Covid ‘industry,’ 27 of whom are Chinese.

326321 ▶▶▶ Fred, replying to 10navigator, #933 of 1464 🔗

10navigator – excellent. That’s another theory we can test… once we’ve got the data…

326165 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Fred, 3, #934 of 1464 🔗

Forget change.org – one big investor is Bill Gates.

326171 ▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Awkward Git, #935 of 1464 🔗

Dammit!

326093 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 3, #936 of 1464 🔗

I keep thinking that the government have been replaced by NGO’s ie SAGE etc that’s why Parliament don’t seem too worried about what’s going on, because they know its nothing to do with them when, not if, the **** hits the fan. It seems like its a lot bigger than national governments who are just running like Ken Clarke used to always dream of, as a town council.

326120 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DanClarke, 7, #937 of 1464 🔗

I can’t make my mind up if the PM is frightened of SAGE and they are running the show, or they are doing his bidding, but my gut tells me the former

326133 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 10, #938 of 1464 🔗

I think Johnson’s well known lack of attention to detail has really come back to bite him. He obviously doesn’t have the mental capacity to concentrate on complex data so is probably asking his advisors for simple binary options, then choosing the “safest” one (from a “controlling the virus” perspective) every time. A sequence of decisions taken in this manner has spiralled out of control to the point where there is now no exit strategy.

326134 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #939 of 1464 🔗

Whatever – this is Johnson’s shit-heap.

326158 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #940 of 1464 🔗

True

If he’s frightened of SAGE he may get unfrightened

If they are doing his bidding then even greater evil is afoot

326266 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 1, #941 of 1464 🔗

Johnson is not a fool. I think his instincts are probably quite good. If so, he must have known this was shit from the start, but lacks the attention to detail to be sure and lacks the balls to trust his brain. Unless, as you say, there is something much worse going on

326356 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, #942 of 1464 🔗

Lockdown was a political decision.Its sage who have turned science on its head to justify Government actions.Dont know if that helps.

326225 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to dommo, -1, #944 of 1464 🔗

I agree with part of the tweet but the pandemic didn’t end. It was suspended due to summer and resumed in the autumn.

326355 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Mayo, 1, #945 of 1464 🔗

maybe you’d like to take that up with mr. smalley himself – he’s much cleverer than me

326123 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #947 of 1464 🔗

Of course it is; they’ve added in all the numbers that Scotland and N. Ireland didn’t report since the 23rd.

They really are giving full meaning to the old phrase “lies, damned lies and statistics”.

326140 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #948 of 1464 🔗

They need a big shock figure to parade in the next clown show announcing total lockdown.

326149 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ricky1, 3, #949 of 1464 🔗

Plus a dodgy extrapolated Graph of Doom.

326292 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Ricky1, 2, #950 of 1464 🔗

That’s coming tomorrow, El Presidente the little dictator is holding a special government meeting apparently. Wee boot that she is.

326125 stefarm, 2, #951 of 1464 🔗

HOSPITALS AROUND THE WORLD REMAIN EMPTY – HERE’S THE PROOF

https://www.bitchute.com/video/U2NVms7iAEKV/

326127 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 9, #952 of 1464 🔗

I wonder if the fearful and compliant masses in the general population would be able to answer why if there is a really a great plague are UK house prices and residential rents in many areas at a record high? and if so many have died as they believe, why are there so few empty houses? Surely even with all the money printing if things were that bad you wouldn’t be able to get house prices to increase?

Also the UK stock market went up another 2% today and is close to record highs, many markets around the world are at record highs. There seems very little connect between the chaos and fear portrayed in the media and the prices people are willing to pay for assets.

326350 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Darryl, 1, #953 of 1464 🔗

That will be the funny money finding real assets.It doesn’t matter,economic collapse is inevitable and there will be no safe havens.
I cannot understand the utter silence from the media over the coming economic apocalypse.

326130 Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 1, #954 of 1464 🔗

https://dunctank.podbean.com/e/sam-vaknin-coronavirus-in-a-narcissistic-society/

Interview with Sam Vakin where he he discusses medical social psychological economic challenges of pandemic and responses to it like lockdown quarantine isolation etc. chilling & prescient.
Sam Vaknin is a professor of psychology and an expert in narcissism. He is also the author of the book “Malignant Self-Love”.

326131 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 19, #955 of 1464 🔗

Quick update.

It was for me a quiet day in Tier 4 Hampshire

The staff who did not take holiday are back happily working in the office. Sod work from home – too ineffective. I did get an email from one staff member asking if the move to Tier 4 changed anything and said ‘no’.

Visited my daughter’s house for Xmas cake and a coffee – parked out front and marched through front door. Gave up using the side entrance many months ago.

Noted quite a few visitors on my street today using the side entrance when visiting folk. Comical. Often they park higher up or are dropped off. So I reckon many neighbors are waking up a couple of months behind us. But there is definite progress.

326146 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to theanalyst, 8, #956 of 1464 🔗

And they say we are not in a police state when you have to surreptitiously call on people. Just before Christmas I called my sister in law to ask if I could drop presents off at her house (she lives in Wales so tier 4). She said she didn’t want us to call as neighbours may see us FFS. This is tyranny.

326196 ▶▶ Janette, replying to theanalyst, 1, #957 of 1464 🔗

Good for you

326141 Fred, replying to Fred, 6, #958 of 1464 🔗

Extreme concern” as UK virus cases surge . “Quick, quick, cattle! Stampede to the vaccination pen! Don’t get left behind, or we’ll send you to the slaughterhouse with no immunity passport!”

326154 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Fred, 5, #959 of 1464 🔗

Ah but its from the CCP’s BBC – I prefer my information from RT – its slightly more believable propaganda

326170 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Major Panic, -25, #960 of 1464 🔗

I haven’t watched the BBC in weeks but I am aware that the number of symptomatic cases is increasing.

Yeadon and Clare Craig need to give up on the herd immunity and False Positive nonsense. They have destroyed the credibility of the anti-lockdown cause.

326183 ▶▶▶▶ PFD, replying to Mayo, 7, #961 of 1464 🔗

Where is the data published for symptomatic cases?

326216 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to PFD, -14, #962 of 1464 🔗

ZOE app consistent with -> ONS survey -> consistent with the increase in people I know personally who are actually bed-ridden with Covid-19.

326241 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PFD, replying to Mayo, 7, #963 of 1464 🔗

Thank you. You must know an awful lot of people! The ZOE app estimates 550,000+ infections at the moment (<1% of the population). Not all of these will be bed ridden. I guess that’s why anecdotal data is not particularly robust. Personally I don’t know anyone who has contracted Covid-19 in 2020.

326251 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to PFD, 4, #964 of 1464 🔗

me neither , they must hide it well

326403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 2, #965 of 1464 🔗

Someone remind this guy its winter

326195 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 6, #966 of 1464 🔗

Ah, Mayo, the only remaining believer in the mass PCR testing in here – but all credit to you for your faith

326197 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #967 of 1464 🔗

keep defending mathematical model predictions, there’s always a spin somewhere

326223 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Major Panic, -8, #968 of 1464 🔗

I don’t have “faith” in it and I would question the accuracy of the numbers but it does indicate a trend.

Cases are increasing and it is not all due to False Positives. Why did we not see all these false positives in the summer?

326236 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 6, #969 of 1464 🔗

take away the pcr test, and – are we not simply in a normal ‘flu’ season?

326254 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Major Panic, 5, #970 of 1464 🔗

Exactly Major.

All Cause mortality remains in normal bounds. The proles are refusing to drop like flies.

326517 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Bill H, #971 of 1464 🔗

We shall see tomorrow. It was 17% above 10-year mean last week and 9% aboev 10-year maximum. Peak death is traditionally the second week of the year – you’ll have to wait another four weeks to see that data.

326448 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Major Panic, #972 of 1464 🔗

Correct

326252 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Mayo, 2, #973 of 1464 🔗

If you are not Matt Wankcock…are you Neil the doom monger Ferguson?

326217 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 4, #974 of 1464 🔗

And you are also aware that any increase in symptomatic cases, the data for which can only come from Zoe, is slowing and the data indicates that process started before Christmas; Herd immunity is dealing with a, significant, nosocomial outbreak in the prisons on the Isle of Sheppy. Mayo, I have spent enough time hanging around on fora covering all sorts of subjects to spot a passive aggressive, shit stirrer. You aren’t a weirdo like the knicker sniffer, but the whole “I am opposed to lockdown too” line has run out of oil, at this stage, and everything is starting to rattle.

326261 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Will, 1, #975 of 1464 🔗

Aye, the Big Ends are banging away. Just like on my old viva, back in the day. Sometimes a couple of handfuls of sawdust down the oil filler quietened things down enough to pass the problem onto the next sucker.

🙂

326249 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Mayo, 2, #976 of 1464 🔗

People……Mayo is Matt Wankcock by the way.

326173 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Major Panic, 2, #977 of 1464 🔗

I think of it as counter-propaganda.

326169 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fred, 5, #978 of 1464 🔗

Let me guess, because of the MuTaNt? Or we didn’t follow the Christmas rules?
Already peaked according to specimen date and ZOE, once again optimum LD timing.

326176 ▶▶▶ Fred, replying to DRW, 1, #979 of 1464 🔗

Your ignorant, anti-governmental post has just caused another 1,300 cases. I hope you’re happy.

326255 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Fred, #980 of 1464 🔗

Lol.

326180 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Fred, 6, #981 of 1464 🔗

It’s a question I keep asking but where and who are the 53135? If we are in this situation after months of lockdown then clearly time to try something else .

326147 Major Panic, 4, #982 of 1464 🔗

As a billionaire elite type (although I do admit I look like a freak – but then I can afford to) – I find that China has it spot on….

the billionaires control all things including the corrupt chinese communist party, who control the plebs.

perfect – what’s not to like

326152 Basics, replying to Basics, 20, #983 of 1464 🔗

A useful point when broaching the subject of why a masked person is wearing a mask outside. Children under five need to see faces with emotions to learn. By hiding faces behind masks people are harming childrens development. This is going on so long now developmental impacts will be caused in children. Is it not the duty of all in society to act in a spirit of compasion and help others live well. It takes a village to raise a child so the African proverb says.

326182 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 1, #984 of 1464 🔗

Seems increasingly impossible to reason with these people.

I assume the aim of the establishment is to get this generation fully integrated into AI from a young age – possibly the first Transhuman generation? It’s funny that A = 1 and I = 9 in the alphabet.

326156 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 2, #985 of 1464 🔗

I was wondering earlier today what the number of suicides would be this year.

Found this table elsewhere purporting to be made up from ONS figures. If true it puts things into perspective.

326161 ▶▶ Fred, replying to Biggles, 3, #986 of 1464 🔗

Puts things into perspective?! Don’t do it man; for Christ’s sake!!

326189 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Fred, 1, #987 of 1464 🔗

yes, no need to start now

326247 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Biggles, #988 of 1464 🔗

Do you have a link ?

326159 Awkward Git, 2, #989 of 1464 🔗

Updated Human Tissue Authority guidance issued.

https://www.hta.gov.uk/policies/guidance-contingency-storage-arrangements-deceased

No mention of covid deaths building up and causing problems with storage space, just normal winter causes.

326164 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 25, #990 of 1464 🔗

Surely there must come a point where even the journalists are fed up with life how it is at the moment and start to change tack? Don’t they have families and kids too or are they just loving this too much to care?

326185 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Achilles, 2, #991 of 1464 🔗

Yes thats what I am struggling with too. How can they derive so many people for so long, its immoral.

326187 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Janette, 2, #992 of 1464 🔗

I mean deceive!

326221 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Janette, 3, #993 of 1464 🔗

I knew what you meant. But you mentioned derive, which also begs the question, how many scaremongering stories can they derive out of this shit show? Answer…loads.

Shower of wankers the lot of them.

326209 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Achilles, 16, #994 of 1464 🔗

First of all, I don’t think most people are looking at the ‘big picture’ and even most journalists are just looking for the next sensationalist headline. Remember that the dying corpse of the mainstream media has received a massive shot of adrenaline from the Covid panic (as well as, allegedly, lots of money from dodgy sources to keep the fear going).

Second, I think the acquiescence to lockdowns is part of a global mindset change similar to ones we have seen throughout history. Did the Tudors object to the ruination of the monasteries and the desecration of churches during the Reformation? Some did, but many profited from it, and even if you disagreed, if you knew what was good for you, you kept quiet and went along with it.

What we’re seeing is, I believe, the culmination of soft-socialism, welfarism and nanny-stateism that has been building since the war. The idea that we should be scared of everything and that big government has the power to deliver us from that fear if only we obey its rulings.

326218 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Achilles, 10, #995 of 1464 🔗

It is in the interest of the print media and established multinational owned online brands to print anything the government tells them. They are receiving hundreds of millions in advertising revenue from the government which would disappear if they told the truth. Also the government is attacking, censoring and closing alternative media providers so there will be less competition in the future.

Any ‘journalist’ who still works for a mainstream media outlet doesn’t give a damn about truth and free speech. Their jobs now resemble that of publicists and propagandists.

326231 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Darryl, 3, #996 of 1464 🔗

Well said

326338 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Darryl, 2, #997 of 1464 🔗

Hence the ludicrous charade of the Downing Street press briefings, which would have made the most hardened journalists at Pravda blush.

326285 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Achilles, 1, #998 of 1464 🔗

Journalists are exempt from lock down rules are they not?

326306 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Achilles, 1, #999 of 1464 🔗

I wonder the same about the police.

326398 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Achilles, #1000 of 1464 🔗

They are probably earning more than before due to the new funding. They will not stop easily, I don’t think.

326167 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 17, #1001 of 1464 🔗

Let’s try again

326175 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Biggles, 5, #1002 of 1464 🔗

cant believe putting on trousers didn’t make the list

326178 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Biggles, 4, #1003 of 1464 🔗

I just walked into the door frame, nearly knocked myself out. I guess that goes under accidents or Covid

326184 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1004 of 1464 🔗

It could also count as “Hit by inanimate object”.

326215 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Andrew K, #1005 of 1464 🔗

It would go under covid, just to keep the numbers/stats up.

326234 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1006 of 1464 🔗

What about bashing my second toe and loosing a toenail?
Is that covid related?

326263 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1007 of 1464 🔗

Covid toe!

326278 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Alice, 4, #1008 of 1464 🔗

Actually, I think I’ve got Covid c××k as well.

326305 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1009 of 1464 🔗

Lol! That will be a new symptom of the “new strain” of the virus.

326311 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1010 of 1464 🔗

I think my existing coronavirus colonies have been infected with the mutant strain of coronavirus. Should I drive them to the test and trace facility to be tested?

326474 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1011 of 1464 🔗

I’ve got Covid anus. It’s the distinct feeling I’m being rectally shafted against my wishes.

326316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1012 of 1464 🔗

Hope that doesn’t ache too

326331 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1013 of 1464 🔗

For your sake I hope it’s ‘Long Covid C*ck’.

326222 ▶▶ mj, replying to Biggles, 11, #1014 of 1464 🔗

Rasputin …. allegedly initially fed tea and cakes laced with cyanide. then three glasses of madeira (also laced with cyanide). then shot in the chest . later he recovered and was shot again . then thrown into the Moscow river .
But if he had had a test the week before it would have been recorded as death by covid.

326302 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to mj, 2, #1015 of 1464 🔗

People were tougher back then.

326425 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bugle, 2, #1016 of 1464 🔗

Rasputin would probably have cured Covid with fish soup (apparently he ate it with his hands) and copious vodka.

326332 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mj, 3, #1017 of 1464 🔗

Ra Ra Rasputin
Never used a Covid screen
It was a shame how he spread it on!

326287 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Biggles, 2, #1018 of 1464 🔗

where did you get from? is there one for 2019?

326354 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Biggles, #1019 of 1464 🔗

Hi Biggles. Thanks for the chart. Someone is bound to ask me where cancer and heart disease are. Is it because that’s not available demographically? Ideally we’d have the all cause total as well showing that it adds up. Maybe I’m just misunderstanding it.

326434 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Biggles, #1020 of 1464 🔗

Not to be picky, but how is accident different to “fall from stairs”? Or from a building?

326172 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 10, #1021 of 1464 🔗

Why are we not told how many people are being tested?

326177 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Bill Hickling, 10, #1022 of 1464 🔗

because that is informative

326179 ▶▶ Fred, replying to Bill Hickling, 6, #1023 of 1464 🔗

Because you wouldn’t understand? Just get back under your bed, Bill Hickling, and wait for us to call you out when everything’s safe again.

326219 ▶▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Fred, 3, #1024 of 1464 🔗

Fred, I would open up everything and give responsibility back to the people.

326308 ▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Bill Hickling, #1025 of 1464 🔗

I know you would, Bill. I know you would. (“Nurse, we’ve got a live one here. Bring the “vaccine,” please.”)

326194 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bill Hickling, 8, #1026 of 1464 🔗

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-test-and-trace-england-statistics-10-december-to-16-december/weekly-statistics-for-nhs-test-and-trace-england-10-december-to-16-december

You can find the numbers tested at the link above, Bill; figures are for England only.

1,988,971 people were tested at least once in England between 10 December and 16 December for COVID-19, a 12% increase compared to the previous week.

173,875 people tested positive for coronavirus (COVID-19) at least once in England between 10 December and 16 December. The number of people testing positive this week has increased by 58% compared to the previous week with 8.7% of people tested testing positive, a rise from the 6.2% reported the previous week.

If you believe this rubbish you need locking up.

326207 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Ceriain, -8, #1027 of 1464 🔗

Which bit do you not believe?

326243 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Mayo, 6, #1028 of 1464 🔗

The whole fucking lot of it.

I am beginning to think that you are Matt the wank Wankcock by the way Mayo.. 🤔

326265 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mayo, 13, #1029 of 1464 🔗

You are not tested for Covid 19, Covid 19 is a disease requiring distinctive symptoms to be displayed. You are tested for the possible presence of the coronavirus SARS-Cov2, if you were following conventional disease screening techniques a first +ve indication would need to be backed up with a second confirmatory test.
As well as which it is now well established that the number of replication cycles used with the PCR test is crucial and yet this is not clarified in the testing procedure.

326224 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1030 of 1464 🔗

I have lost all faith in statistics that are shared with us by Government now. However, I do find it plausible that many thousands of extra people will have been for a test in the run up to Christmas to be ‘safe’ or because they have had seasonal sniffles.

326174 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 22, #1031 of 1464 🔗

Mrs Awkward has a few questions on the 2nd jab for the Mrs Keenan:

  • why has she the same top/clothes on?
  • she’s looking years younger, a lot less wrinkles etc. Sure it wasn’t botox she had?
  • why is she “recovering well”? What did she need to recover from after the jab?
  • masks not required in hospitals anymore then?
326186 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Awkward Git, -11, #1032 of 1464 🔗

We’re getting a bit desperate now.

326333 ▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Mayo, #1033 of 1464 🔗

Why was there a clicking sound in the background of the footage that, when turned up, slowed down and then played in reverse, sounded very much like a Morse Code version of: “You will obey your masters, cattle povvos.”

326335 ▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Fred, #1034 of 1464 🔗

Why was the Nurse administering the vaccine shot the same height as Lee Harvey Oswald?

326337 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Fred, #1035 of 1464 🔗

Why is that, that when you take the second and third letters from Mrs Keenan’s surname – e and e – and go one letter further on into the alphabet you get f and f? FF is, of course, government security service shorthand for a ‘false flag.’ Do they think we’re stupid?!

326351 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Fred, #1036 of 1464 🔗

(I’m only joking, Mrs. Awkward…)

326367 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mayo, #1037 of 1464 🔗

You are.

326193 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Awkward Git, #1038 of 1464 🔗

As there is apparently no other way to achieve immunity she is now the only person in the world who is.

326200 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1039 of 1464 🔗

A little odd that she had to ‘recover’

Professor Andy Hardy, Chief Executive of University Hospitals Coventry and Warwickshire NHS Trust where Ms Keenan received her injection, said: “We were delighted to welcome Margaret Keenan back to Coventry’s University Hospital today to safely receive the second dose of the vaccination, after she became the first person in the world to receive the Pfizer COVID-19 following its clinical approval.

“Our hardworking staff who have been involved in the vaccination programme have remained in contact with Margaret’s family since that day and we are delighted that Margaret has been continuing to recover well at home following her discharge from hospital.

326203 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 4, #1040 of 1464 🔗

She was an inpatient at the time of the first jab. They started out with lots of older people who were already captive in hospitals. Don’t know what she was in for, though. Recovery nothing to do with the jab.Poor woman might feel a bit rough after the second dose, though.

326296 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 2, #1041 of 1464 🔗

Hopefully she is recovering from whatever the NHS did to her other than the vaccine.

326202 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1042 of 1464 🔗

That’s her best getting-vaccinated outfit. Obviously none of us will have one, but I’m sure other people are carefully planning their attire for the special occasion.

326230 ▶▶▶ Suey, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1043 of 1464 🔗

Strange that her hair hasn’t grown. Looks exactly the same as on 9th December.

326297 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1044 of 1464 🔗

I’ve got a suit of armour for mine.

326301 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bugle, #1045 of 1464 🔗

What a good idea! Here’s me complacently dreaming away that it won’t ever happen to me, but definitely better to be prepared.

326232 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1046 of 1464 🔗

No masks, that’s the freedom the jab gives you (when you have it on the telly at least – not in real life obviously).

326342 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1047 of 1464 🔗

Some sources are lazily using the picture from when she had her first jab. I wonder why?

326191 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #1048 of 1464 🔗

https://twitter.com/NickTriggle/status/1343971554288402438?s=20

Nick Triggle
@NickTriggle
·
28m
Analysis by
@PHE_uk
has found no evidence #newvariant #coronavirus is more able to infect children than other variants. Important finding given #CloseSchoolsNOW debate

326199 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tom Blackburn, 21, #1049 of 1464 🔗

#CloseSchoolsNOW #ALotOfTeachersAreLazyBastards

Fixed that for you, Nick. 😉

326206 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1050 of 1464 🔗

Yep – getting a bit sick of these fuckers + a sprinkling of parents pushing for this every time they break up.

326228 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1051 of 1464 🔗

Yummy mummies and daddies plus namby pamby wimps.

326371 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1052 of 1464 🔗

Yummy daddies?? Surely not lol.

326233 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1053 of 1464 🔗

Trigger is likely a closet sceptic.

He has put his head ever so slightly above the parapet on two or three occasions.

326242 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bill H, 3, #1054 of 1464 🔗

He’s been pretty good tbf. Quietly ploughing a lone furrow at the Beeb.

326372 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1055 of 1464 🔗

Cant be easy in that nest of vipers.

326327 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Bill H, 1, #1056 of 1464 🔗

It’s been more than that, he’s had quite a few articles with unfortunate truths that the BBC would classify as verboten. I thought he would have been demoted to the shipping forecast by now. His articles do seem to have a habit of getting demoted down the BBC “news” home page quite rapidly though.

326257 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1057 of 1464 🔗

Ferguson should be nicked for that, using children to further an agenda is lowest of the low.

326198 Biker, replying to Biker, 23, #1058 of 1464 🔗

Send this to any fucker you know who still thinks hospitals are overwhelmed. It’s like i’m living in a fucking movie, honest to god a man could lose his mind.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/U2NVms7iAEKV/

326210 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Biker, 4, #1059 of 1464 🔗

I just posted that link on an article on the scummy Edinburgh live website, funnily enough, some brainwashed arsehole mentioned about the NHS being overwhelmed, so I thought I would put them straight (although I will more than likely get banned again from commenting)

cheers for that link Biker 🤙🏻

326250 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #1060 of 1464 🔗

That is the local media site, same in every area Trinity Mirror run. Don’t waste your time run by Commies for Commies, with other views not welcome.

326235 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Biker, 15, #1061 of 1464 🔗

These scary NHS overwhelmed stories and the labyrinthine NHS data make it hard to unravel what is really going on with the NHS? It is quite wrong that we have to evaluate the NHS on data and stories supplied by the NHS. We need some sort of independent review and assessment team to give an objective view of the NHS.
With most organisations, having been paid around £130 billion and with around 1.5 million staff, the paymaster, Gruppenführer Hancock, should have the NHS chiefs on the carpet and be demanding to know why with all that cash and all those staff they are overwhelmed? Instead of which he rounds on the people, it is our fault for getting ill, ludicrous. The NHS cannot be allowed to continue in its present format.

326238 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #1062 of 1464 🔗

What is the ACTUAL danger if it were to become overrun? Nobody gave a shit in the past when people were being ‘treated’ in corridors.

326290 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1063 of 1464 🔗

Blair’s ‘targets’ resulted in people being kept outside in ambulances but we didn’t destroy the economy over it.

326336 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bugle, 3, #1064 of 1464 🔗

Blair’s targets were better than that.If you couldn’t get an appointment within 4 weeks then they wouldn’t see you,so no treatment

326212 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 12, #1065 of 1464 🔗

Jesus H Christ, James Max is an obnoxious bullying bastard. He’s on the list now.

326214 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #1066 of 1464 🔗

I agree. He shuts down anyone who disagrees with him.

326299 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Bill Hickling, 2, #1067 of 1464 🔗

Spouts orthodoxy – tells people they’re not qualified if they question it. Must have learned at the knee of O’Brien. God, that’s a horrible thought.

326275 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #1068 of 1464 🔗

“Tony” was brilliant just now.

326227 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 42, #1069 of 1464 🔗

Meant to post this earlier, but wanted to share the joy of a Sunday jaunt to two different seaside places in West Wales. I was amazed on rolling up to one to see a full car park and the takeaway café doing a roaring business in coffee and mince pies. Down at the beach everyone enjoying themselves. Loads of people, not a mask in sight! Then onto the second place which is a sizeable village, and again not a single mask to be seen. Smiles everywhere – it was glorious!
An interesting conversation with the woman at the café who said she and the café owner are no longer going to wear masks because they were thoroughly “bored of it all.” This has led to my theory that boredom is the magic, unforeseen, hidden elixir, slowly but surely seeping through the collective psyche, that is going to save us all from Covinsanity! Not marches, not flyers and stickers, not underground movements, or brilliant documentaries, but ordinary people stifling a yawn and turning off the TV and getting on with their lives again.

326284 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Melangell, 8, #1070 of 1464 🔗

Agreed, but questioning the narrative with facts and figures, as here, gives an intellectual underpinning to resistance. We need to feel we’re right. We should also be grateful to all those who have resisted in other ways. If churches have resisted by meeting underground, they restore some heart and credibility to religion. We also owe respect to those protestors who have taken a bashing from the authorities. Having said all that, you’re right: people just quietly returning to normal will crack it, because, apart from anything else, there’s no way to police it without looking bad.

326326 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Melangell, 1, #1071 of 1464 🔗

I hope that you’re right. Personally I think it will take more than that, and it will only be when the Rishi money runs out that we might see a change. I’ve come to the conclusion that the majority of British people are like the Royle Family, happy to slouch in front of their tellies, passively consuming, never questioning.

326347 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Cranmer, #1072 of 1464 🔗

April and May are going to be big months for us.

326613 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Now More Than Ever, #1073 of 1464 🔗

Possibly. I suspect furlough will simply be extended again. They’ve done it several times already. That said, I haven’t heard mention of another self-employed grant, which could be significant.

326348 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Melangell, 2, #1074 of 1464 🔗

agreed – now that it is absolutely clear beyond doubt that we have been and continue to be lied to everyone everywhere every day must simply refuse to comply

326239 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -11, #1075 of 1464 🔗

Throughout the summer, the ONS survey never detected more than 0.5% (1 in 2000) positive cases from their samples.

In mid December over 1% of sample were positive, i,e, 20 times the rate during the summer. Mike Yeadon and Clare Craig claim these are all False Positives.

A Question: Why were there no (or very few) False Positives during the summer?

326245 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 2, #1076 of 1464 🔗

good question, no idea…

but are the people suffering from respiratory problems not about normal for the time of year? and in the same age groups as normal?

326260 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1077 of 1464 🔗

Possibly but that’s a separate issue. Banging on about False Positives is not helping. This war is being fought on too many fronts including anti-vaccination and others which are not relevant to lockdowns.

Lockdowns are not very effective once the virus is established in the country. That should be the focus.

326268 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 5, #1078 of 1464 🔗

I agree with your last point though we cannot ignore the vaccine as it is part of the narrative and if accepted will kick the can down the road until the next disaster, and given that the whole circus is based on test results, why wouldn’t you question accuracy?

326270 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Mayo, 2, #1079 of 1464 🔗

But false positives are a fact. Did you not see the video a couple of months back of the guy taking the test out of the package, not doing the swab at all, just removing it from the packet it came in & putting it straight into the bag to be sent away for testing.
Guess what happened?….It came back positive!!!! He didn’t even do the fucking thing.
Also, the now infamous Coca Cola test…the Coca Cola also came back as positive!!!

So shut your hole Mayo you gobshite. Go back to mumsnet.

326273 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mayo, 2, #1080 of 1464 🔗

I do see where you are coming from. However, since positive test results are driving NHS staff absence and chaos in schools, it seems important to me that the way tests and their results are being used is crucial to any chance of this nation recovering some function.

326277 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 5, #1081 of 1464 🔗

I agree with your last point. But as I mentioned earlier the government response (infecting care homes and missed cancer) has accounted for most excess deaths this year. The only way ‘out’ for them is to keep ‘doing something’ until we are vaccinated and then claim they saved 500,000 people.

They need the false positives to give the data to justify the lockdowns. You get a different story from KCL Zoe covid tracker which is why it gets ignored by government and media

326281 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 3, #1082 of 1464 🔗

This lockdown is here to stay until enough people are vaccinated.It is very relevant.

326368 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1083 of 1464 🔗

But if the vaccine does not affect either the chance of being infected, or reduce transmission kinetics, two factors that the vaccine manufacturers do not claim I believe, then the vaccination programme can have no effect on the spread of cases.
So lockdowns can not logically be linked to vaccination rollout on the evidence of the vaccine suppiers .
You could of course argue that the vaccines may reduce infection and transmission, and if the tests had been carried out, this might have been demonstrated and your assertions would then be correct .
But the tests were not carried out. We don’t have the relevant evidence. Do we direct public health policy on the basis of speculation or experimental evidence?

326521 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mikewaite, #1084 of 1464 🔗

I’m not advocating vaccination with a experimental potion for a not very dangerous virus.
The vaccine has nothing to do with public health.It will be tied to a passport and spells the end of freedom.They will then to be able to move onto the economic side of the plan.

326373 ▶▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1085 of 1464 🔗

Or maybe enough people get pissed off.

326522 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, #1086 of 1464 🔗

Been waiting hopefully for 9 months

326289 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 1, #1087 of 1464 🔗

So use viral cultures to verify the accuracy of the tests, PCR and LFT.

326300 ▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Mayo, 17, #1088 of 1464 🔗

I’ve always felt a bit like the false-positive debate is pointless. The ‘My scientists are harder than your scientists’ thing is a cul de sac. For the most part, what we’re really talking about here is a deeper, philosophical issue about how we human beings want to live our lives. What type of society do we want to be part of? What tolerance to risk and uncertainty do we have? Those are all open questions, and I respect other people’s views on them. But the point is that the society we’re currently living in has had no debate on and around those questions. They’ve been answered, very rapidly, by an elite group of ‘experts’ at the top of society who think they know what’s best for everybody else. That isn’t the way democracies should, and in the past have, worked to settle deeper, philosophical questions. So I don’t really care about the false-positive issue, or indeed any of the statistical issues. What I care about is living in a democratic society where concepts like freedom and personal responsibility are in play, rather than cancelled by expertocracies.

326320 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fred, 5, #1089 of 1464 🔗

Well said. I’m beginning to think that we may be powerless against this societal change. I’m not saying we should not fight it or try to change it – but that the majority of people are entirely in agreement with the state’s juju. It’s not like Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 or East Germany in 1989, when most people wanted change.

326334 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Fred, 3, #1090 of 1464 🔗

Yes I agree and think that there are almost no scenarios in which lockdowns can be justified

But it’s a hard argument to win when people are so fearful, so persuading them that the danger is much less than advertised is a first step to getting back to normal so people can think straight

326339 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Julian, 1, #1091 of 1464 🔗

Shhh! You’re killing people, Julian…

326418 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Fred, #1092 of 1464 🔗

I care about the false positives because I care about data. But for me it’s always been – fundamentally – that lockdowns don’t work and that even if they did, this disease isn’t serious enough to warrant the harm that they cause

If lockdowns worked against something like the Black Death then of course I would do them. This is emphatically not the Black Death. Or even Spanish Flu (which I would not lock down for either).

326349 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Mayo, 2, #1093 of 1464 🔗

Mayo
Are you able to put your statement about the inffectiveness of lockdowns on a
more quantitative basis. it’s not that I disagree with you, but the field of battle on which you are engaged is dominated by numerical models. These dazzle, or blind, the policy makers and the media, so to convert them you need some equations.
In the past you have made some definitive statements about R nos. if you can take the number of people known to be or have been affected by Sars cov2 and estimates of the no of contacts with and without lockdown , can you show that the R no is effectively independent of the no of contacts, ie, lockdowns are ineffective, when the density of the infected is above a critical concentration.
A sort of percolation theory problem .

326392 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, #1094 of 1464 🔗

If you think that metric invalidates the false positives issue, you haven’t been paying attention

326410 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Mayo, #1095 of 1464 🔗

Good point again. I think a lot about PCR cases though because without them it’s pretty difficult to demonstrate that there has been a pandemic of any respiratory illness since May. If this blew up, figuratively, then cherrypicking hospital figures would have to do a lot more lifting. One legged stool.

326419 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Mayo, 1, #1096 of 1464 🔗

The problem with false positives isn’t that there’s too many of them per se…it’s that people don’t understand the implications of them: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28166019
I would highly recommend anyone reads this before assuming they can define the false positive problem.

326259 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 3, #1097 of 1464 🔗

It’s the season.

326262 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Mayo, 1, #1098 of 1464 🔗

Turn it in Matt….or perhaps I should say Neil.

326264 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 3, #1099 of 1464 🔗

I am struggling to get from 0.5% to 1% by multiplying by 20…

326293 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, #1100 of 1464 🔗

It’s more like 10% positivity rate now, for England as a whole – I assume 1% was a typo.

326324 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Julian, #1101 of 1464 🔗

It was actually 0.05% in the summer.

326267 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mayo, #1102 of 1464 🔗

Mike Yeadon and Clare Craig claim these are all False Positives.

Source?

326272 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 6, #1103 of 1464 🔗

If you would like a considered answer, please show references for:

Throughout the summer, the ONS survey never detected more than 0.5% (1 in 2000) positive cases from their samples’

And

‘In mid December over 1% of sample were positive’

But this, from 26 December, is interesting, isn’t it:

‘Update on Kent lorry situation: 15,526 #Coronavirus tests now carried out. Just 36 positive results, which are being verified (0.23%).’ Grant Shapps

326276 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #1104 of 1464 🔗

Shapps too thick to realise he was blowing the narrative on that one.

326323 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bill H, 2, #1105 of 1464 🔗

He doesn’t need to worry, most people are too thick to notice and the MSM isn’t likely to challenge him on it.

326274 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 6, #1106 of 1464 🔗

PHE estimated FP rate was 0.8-4.0% with a median of 2.8%

There was good evidence it was 0.5% in the Summer

It would be expected to rise as tests are increased, poorly trained new staff, double shifts, new premises, poorly followed procedure etc. Plus, FP mainly comes from contaminations. So as real infections rise, the FP rate will rise. This gives a double reason FP rises as both testing and real infection levels rose in the autumn

326283 ▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 3, #1107 of 1464 🔗

Given the ONS have failed to report the results of their survey for four out of the last five weeks your argument holds little water.

326288 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mayo, 16, #1108 of 1464 🔗

I hate weighing in on this kind of thing, so I don’t usually. But I think Mayo often makes good points. These things need to be discussed or it’s bad for the sceptic cause. I don’t believe that all the current positives are false, I just don’t see how that could be possible – although I do have concerns about PCR/cycle threshold and the state of the Lighthouse Labs, which will influence the FP rate. I’m perfectly willing to believe that we have had a seasonal increase in coronavirus infections. Why not? It’s a normal winter pattern. More important to me are questions about how many of those people are actually ill with symptoms, how many people admitted to hospital with a positive test have actually been admitted to be treated for covid symptoms, and whether or not lockdowns (particularly protracted lockdowns months after the disease first emerged) are a good way to deal with the problem (which if I remember rightly, Mayo believes not). Sceptics can have different shades and textures and we should welcome them all – it’s healthy discussion.

326309 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Mayo, 6, #1109 of 1464 🔗

That’s a fair enough question, which I’ve often wondered about myself, without reaching any useful conclusions.

Don’t understand the downvotes. I for one don’t mind awkward questions being asked on this site.

Doubtless seasonality has a role – respiratory viruses increase markedly in the autumn and winter. As I understand it Drs Yeadon and Craig are not saying there is no covid  around, but that it is endemic rather than running wild as the presented results imply. A seasonal rise is doubtless part of the explanation, without undermining the good Drs opinions.

But the premise of the question assumes on first reading comparing like with like. I very much doubt that is the case. There are so many variables in how the tests are conducted and interpreted, and in particular in how the data are presented, in my view it becomes an impossible question.

Being more succinct, we have every reason to believe that those presenting the evidence from these tests are utterly dishonest, and thus it become near impossible to infer anything whatsoever from the results.

Your point below about Scepticism being fought on too many fronts is an interesting one which hadn’t occurred to me before. For whatever reason our arguments aren’t gaining the traction they should, or at least quickly enough. It is useful to speculate why.

326314 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Mayo, 2, #1110 of 1464 🔗

I think the ONS numbers are probably fairly accurate. But since false positives are caused by contamination you wouldn’t expect the specificity to be constant. It will go down as prevalence goes up. By how much? Nobody knows.

326341 ▶▶ Apache, replying to Mayo, 2, #1111 of 1464 🔗

Your maths are incorrect. twice not twenty times

326378 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Mayo, 3, #1112 of 1464 🔗

I have given this some thought. The rise in positives seems to correlate with a massive increase in testing. If quality fell as volume rose then that’s aligned with comments I’ve read on PCR and it makes sense.

Cross contamination at the sample site, (tent in car park), transportation, (who knows), lab, (following protocols with 100x volumes), can explain a leap in false results from the official-ish 1% to 6.5%, roughly accounting for all the positives today. Of course it would be perfectly easy to prove me wrong.

Choose a cahort of 1k positive testees and retest immediately without telling the labs. If PCR in the community is great, 99% of the positives will test positive on both. If sceptical experts are right, 90% plus get a positive-negative. Tim Rice has been pushing for this to be done. I wonder why the govt haven’t commissioned this cheap, quick and authoritative study?

326390 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to TimeIsNow, 1, #1113 of 1464 🔗

The govt likely don’t want the inconvenient results of such a study

326413 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Mayo, 4, #1114 of 1464 🔗

It’s still minuscule though isn’t it. PCR was designed to be used as a diagnostic tool with symptoms, not for mass screening. The fact that it can detect a single piece of broken RNA and we are diagnosing that as an active infection is probably the issue I suspect. Our world is teeming with trillions of viruses, more than our brains can comprehend. So the fact that bits of it might be hanging around ready to be discovered doesn’t surprise me. Perhaps as the ultimate leveller we ought to test the PCRs against lots of random viruses and we’d realise we’re all “cases” for dozens of illnesses we never had!

326494 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Mayo, 1, #1115 of 1464 🔗

The positive/negative statistics are meaningless if we don’t know what amplification of the PCR cycles is being deployed. If the amplification is lowered, the number of positives is lowered. The Government and, as far as I am aware, none of the labs doing the testing have ever revealed what amplification they use and whether it has varied throughout the year and across different areas of the UK. My suspicion is that the labs simply obediently follow instructions from someone in authority on what amplification to use and this probably reflects whether ‘the narrative’ benefits from having more positives at certain times of year or in certain areas.

326507 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Mayo, #1116 of 1464 🔗

That would be Mike “epidemic largely over in October” Yeadon? How’s that prediction looking now?

It is the trends in the signal rather than absolute value that confirms growth or shrinkage of the epidemic. Also the UK PCR tests are for three genes not one. One of these may have a lower cycle threshold than other s (e.g., ORF vs. Nucleocapsid vs, spike), but they aren’t false positives with Ct values around 25.

It’s also noted that a rise in positive cases seems to correlate well with an increase in hospital admissions a week later. Patients are NOT admitted based on a test result – they come in with symptoms. A test is then conducted and covid assigned based on symptoms and positivity.

326720 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Mayo, #1117 of 1464 🔗

You mean 10% positive for December…

326246 Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 23, #1118 of 1464 🔗

Everyone that tests ‘positive’ should have to answer the following questions and the data recorded, analysed and made public:

  • Do you wear a mask?
  • Do you follow social distancing guidelines?
  • Do you follow other health guidelines such as handwashing?

Possible answers.
A All the time B Most of the time C Where required D Rarely E Never

Genuine hospitalisations should also be asked the same and tested:

  • What is your BMI?
  • What is your Vit D level?

We then may have some useful data to work with.

326279 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 12, #1119 of 1464 🔗

The taboo of BMI will never be broken – more than half the electorate are overweight or obese.

326294 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1120 of 1464 🔗

Versus 4% in Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate

Aka a total failure of public health policy. Most other European countries are less obese. I’m sure the taboo could be broken with some political will.

326328 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to John001, 2, #1121 of 1464 🔗

New York had many obese people too – surely a big factor in mortality outcomes

326363 ▶▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Julian, #1122 of 1464 🔗

And a democrap mayor!

326312 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Charlie Blue, #1123 of 1464 🔗

Well, they have had nine months to slim down.

Have they?

326329 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to rockoman, 1, #1124 of 1464 🔗

That’s my point – personal responsibility will never be allowed in the conversation around obesity because it will be unacceptable to too many voters. Not that it would have any impact in any case – people are well aware that their weight puts them at much greater risk of all sorts of other health problems and early death already but they still can’t change their behaviour.

326365 ▶▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1125 of 1464 🔗

How about, ‘Save the NHS, lose a stone!’

326405 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to iane, 2, #1126 of 1464 🔗

Hands, face, space! Self-control, mouth, stomach!

326408 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Fred, #1127 of 1464 🔗

Stay alert. Control yourself. Shed pounds.

326420 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Fred, 5, #1128 of 1464 🔗

How about, Stop eating Junk food, you fat bastards.

326422 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to AnotherSceptic, #1129 of 1464 🔗

Much better. You should send that to the Department of Health.

326423 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Fred, 2, #1130 of 1464 🔗

I can see it on those overhead motorway information screens now. STOP. FUCKING. EATING.

326585 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to iane, #1131 of 1464 🔗

How about Lose the NHS and live longer, healthier and drug free!

326401 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #1132 of 1464 🔗

This makes me so angry. All those fat fuckers banging on about people like me being selfish for not wearing a mask. Well how about about YOU being selfish for :
1) eating more than your fair share of food on the planet
2) putting yourself at risk of type 2 diabetes (10pct of the NHS budget) and expecting the taxpayer to bail you out with your free insulin and whatnot
3) putting yourself at risk of a whole host of other ailments that I am expected to pay for as well
4) using more fuel on a plane and expecting thin passengers to effectively subsidise you

etc etc etc the list is endless

I am quite fatist, it’s clear.
I am unapologetic about it.

326416 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to sophie123, 4, #1133 of 1464 🔗

completely agree. anyone’s who obese should only get one operation free at the point of use. if they come back later in life still dressed up like a beached whale and wheezing from having had to walk from the GPs waiting area into the doctor’s office, they should have to pay for it separately to whatever taxes they pay.

326601 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Fred, 1, #1134 of 1464 🔗

Fred, just like anorexics, serial dieters and chronic depressives should be deprived of hospital admission and treatment. Let’s say this, there is not an obesity problem in the UK. What there is is a propaganda problem. Being obese these days is being over a Size 12 for women. Being healthy is allegedly fitting into a size 0, a child’s size.

Shame on you.

326592 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to sophie123, 1, #1135 of 1464 🔗

Just one point here. Do you know that diabetes is a malfunction of the pancreas and nothing to do with anything else. Do you also know that underweight and super skinny people are more likely to develop diabetes than those who are normal, average or slightly overweight? No, they’ll never show you that data. They’ll never show you the data that shows that skinny people who do not eat properly take 6 to 10 times longer to recover from routine illnesses and operations than a person of normal or average weight.

You are a victim of serious propaganda by the food and weight Nazis. How dare you judge other people by your own pathetic standards. There is no such thing as unhealthy natural food. There is no standard weight, we are all built differently, but people who diet all the time and don’t eat properly are destined to start getting things like Osteoporosis, arthritis and other long term ailments from around the age of 50yrs. Good luck with that

326567 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Charlie Blue, #1136 of 1464 🔗

The problem is this: farmers feed pigs on grains and skimmed milk to make them fat.

Dieticians feed people on grains and skimmed milk to make them thin.

Little wonder it doesn’t work.

In the days before high carb low fat diets there were very few fat people, and they knew that to lose weight you gave up starches and sugar. When my mother was young she recalled they still called dieting “Banting” the first time around. Guess what, it still works

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/j.1550-8528.1993.tb00605.x

326581 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1137 of 1464 🔗

Can I just say something here? I am heartily sick and tired of this ‘obesity’ shit. Just like the control we are under now, we have been subjected for many years now to this notion of ‘diets’, don’t eat this don’t eat that don’t drink that, don’t do this, don’t do that. It’s a never ending list. As my very wise father once said, if you believed any or all of it we wouldn’t be eating or doing anything. The diet industry and what I call the Food and Weight Nazis control people just as much as we are being controlled now. You see, the MSM and advertising again. Body shaming those who are not a size 8 or who don’t do lettuce leaves, salads, low carbs low fats etc. It’s brainwashing again on an industrial scale by the diet industry backed by the NHS. No-one every says anything about how dangerous to the body being underweight is, or not get enough of the 13 essential nutrients or that anorexia is actually vanity taken to the extreme (not a psychiatric disorder). There is plenty of research out there that shows the impact on the body (and yes, the human immune system) of these diets in particular, the low fat low carb diets. Long term liver and kidney damage, chronic dehydration, osteoporosis early onset, memory problems (your brain takes 40% of your cholesterol intake and 30% of your sugar intake) and many more serious health issues. Some years ago now I watched a programme on Channel 5 with Consultants specialising in osteopathy. They said that, due to this obsession with fitness, with the gym, with low carb and low fat diets and other diets they were now seeing people between the ages of 25-45yrs with the bone density of pensioners. Not a healthy old age then.

This diet and weight obsession is again, mass hysteria, propaganda and fear of being shamed. I have ignored it all over the years but am an extremely healthy, happy person, yes I’m roundy but I like it that way. I guess I’d be considered as ‘obese’ but I am not. Clinical obesity is debilitating and not necessarily due to diet and lifestyle. I will say this, I have perfect blood pressure, perfect blood sugar levels, incredibly strong bone structure (when I broke my arm in two places the Consultant said my bone density was so solid that I need not worry about arthiritis in the future and that my breaks were healing much faster than normal).

I cook all my own food, I do a lot of walking as a seasoned Rambler, I like good company, good wine and a varied lifestyle. I am active but enjoy rest and peace a lot too. I have never had a sweet tooth, never so, all my life I have never eaten sweets or cake or chocolate because they literally make me feel sick; my mother said I had been like that since the age of 5yrs. I am also seriously allergic to chocolate and cannot stand the smell. I don’t eat between meals, I dislike the taste of snacks such as crisps etc so I have a very healthy lifestyle. I am a healthy, roundy, plumpy, vlery happy 60+ year old. I love my life. Obsession with how much I weight or cutting out healthy food has never been a part of my life and boy, am I glad.

326376 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 2, #1138 of 1464 🔗

Huge amount of obese people in the UK, I dont have a problem with it, you get one life, some people want to eat or drink too much and enjoy their lives, and would be miserable living like me (slim and sporty). But I dont understand how they didnt have a big campaign on getting people to loose weight as we know covid seems to really like the obese, look at Boris. Lots of people I know who are obese and are terrified of Covid, just wear their magical mask of invinciblity and think they are now protected, and many have actually gained weight due to lockdown. I take Vit D, being a pale English person who gets no sun, and have done for years, I am amazed at how many dont bother. With all the madness of masks which we know dont work, obese people loosing weight would have made a massive difference in the death rate.

326484 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to liztr835, 1, #1139 of 1464 🔗

I was doing really well on a health regime before all this shit started. I am a comfort eater and tend to turn to food, like others use alcohol or drugs. I have now gained weight along with being the most depressed I can ever remember in my life. It is easy to be over judgemental of people with weight issues, however, I am not denying that obesity is an issue in this country. Just to clarify, if people have pictured a two ton tess unable to move!, I am not obese but over what I like to be. As an aside, funny how all the big boy junk food outlets are still going, and the small independents are on their knees.

326607 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to liztr835, #1140 of 1464 🔗

No, there are not a huge number of obese people in the UK. Let me put it another way, if you have to cut out good, natural food such as bread, potatoes, rice, pasta, meat, milk and sugar out of your diet (all of which your body’s system needs to turn into energy etc) just to lose weight then it is obviously not your natural weight is it? Something wrong there I would say. However, obsessions are obsessions, propaganda is propaganda, the sheeples lap it up. They’ll do anything that is scandalised enough. Me? I am really really healthy, happy and yes, by your standards, probably overweight. Yet I never use my GP, have only been in hospital for my broken arm, never get colds, flu or other ailments and am medication free. By my standards, that’s healthy living.

326248 Tom Blackburn, 6, #1141 of 1464 🔗

Daily Mail: Kirstie Allsopp SLAMS celebs she ‘knows’ take cocaine for ‘banging on about Covidiots’.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9096229/Kirstie-Allsopp-SLAMS-celebs-knows-cocaine-banging-Covidiots.html

326258 Biker, replying to Biker, 17, #1142 of 1464 🔗

This dude is a real fucking hero. Just doing my job they say, well fuck them. This video will fuck you up and make you rage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWk9r24I4QA&feature=emb_logo

326280 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Biker, 4, #1143 of 1464 🔗

I agree. He is absolutely spot on in what he says & does.

326364 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Biker, 6, #1144 of 1464 🔗

He could be talking for me, some people who are getting a monthly paycheck just dont get it, unless you can run a restaurant at full capacity you dont have a business, and not every restaurant can make a mint off take aways.

326269 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1145 of 1464 🔗

The Telegraph: The priority list for the Pfizer vaccine – and how it will be rolled out.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/29/pfizer-vaccine-priority-list-who-first-covid-when/

326345 ▶▶ V, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1146 of 1464 🔗

Pfizer were fined $2.3 billion in 2009 for fraudulent marketing, the largest settlement for healthcare fraud in history.

Enjoy your vaccine!

326388 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to V, 2, #1147 of 1464 🔗

Also, Nigeria. Dark stuff.

326346 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1148 of 1464 🔗

Israel seems to have the fastest roll out in the world.5% of the population and 21% of all over 60 years old.

326291 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Mark, 1, #1150 of 1464 🔗

Voltaire’s Ghost skewers the mug and his neo-Marxist comrades:

https://youtu.be/qVDFBLVQPVs

326295 ▶▶ mj, replying to Mark, 4, #1151 of 1464 🔗

just watched his triggernometry interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diiDuU7le4A
about how he got cancelled by the woke brigade and the BBC.. there are also videos of his stand up whcih i will watch tomorrow

326304 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mark, 6, #1152 of 1464 🔗

I used to like Frankie Boyle what has gone on? Used to be a straight talker but has now been co-opted by the soft arse metropolitan liberal Blue Peter classes. Very disappointing.

326387 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1153 of 1464 🔗

Brexit. He got involved, drank the poison. He chose a team.

326307 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mark, 3, #1154 of 1464 🔗

Very good! If you like genuinely ‘alternative’ comedy then check out the Comedy Unleashed channel on Youtube. All the comedians who can’t get on the BBC or who have been kicked off it are there!

326282 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 7, #1155 of 1464 🔗

Ivor Cummins, probably the coolest Irishman on the planet, breaks down PCR vs Rapid Antigen:

https://youtu.be/-u6fbHGWYuc

326384 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to common conservative, 7, #1156 of 1464 🔗

While I get why he is making the case for lateral flow, I still not happy that it still seems to advocate for mass testing on a regular basis. Moonshot. That kind of infrastructure goes up and it doesn’t come down I fear.

326411 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1157 of 1464 🔗

Agreed.

326463 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1158 of 1464 🔗

I agree.
As with all conflicts one party must allow another a way out. I agree that testing for a virus with such shakey evidence of its existence at a huge cost isn’t a sound course of action. However, given the state of the other sides attack/war on humanity it is right humanity gives a possible out from the savagery. That they won’t take it is another matter.

326286 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 53, #1159 of 1464 🔗

Anybody responsible in any way for an organisation that is so inept that the only way to stop it “crumbling” is to completely shut the whole country down for a year, should resign immediately. Now if you believe that narrative then it makes the NHS look absolutely pathetic and horrendously run (which it is) and they should be ashamed and embarrassed for their incompetence and be making sweeping procedural changes.

It also makes the government look useless (which they are) because in 9 months they’ve done nothing to get it ready for what they’ve been going on about since April (2nd,3rd,4th wave etc). So anybody involved from a government or PHE perspective should also resign because they haven’t done their jobs either.

That is what should happen if overwhelming the NHS was the actual reason for this continued bollocks.

So even the bs narrative can be torn apart in seconds.

As we know it’s nothing to do with that, which is why nothing will change with how the NHS is run and nobody will resign from the government, NHS or PHE.

326359 ▶▶ iane, replying to Hubes, 3, #1160 of 1464 🔗

Totally with you, except that resignation should NOT be their way out: it should be through the window or via police dungeons!

326379 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Hubes, 3, #1161 of 1464 🔗

It’s as I’ve said before. Whether you are a zealot or a sceptic the government has shown itself to be equally incompetent.

326433 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Achilles, 3, #1162 of 1464 🔗

i don’t think “incompetent” quite cuts it at this stage in the game, do you?

326554 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to dommo, #1163 of 1464 🔗

I do actually. I liked the article by that Journalist on the front page here about a Cockupspiracy. Incompetence is large on the equation but there can be no doubt there is also a conspiracy but not one that has yet truly become apparent. It will

326594 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Jo Dominich, #1164 of 1464 🔗

i don’t think there can be much doubt that any initial mere incompetence has long since progressed into gross negligence and wilful deceit…

326549 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Hubes, #1165 of 1464 🔗

Good post. However, it is a lot to do with the incompetence of the NHS, a lot. There is a very good article in The London Economic (end of last week but still there) about just how many Tory MPs have significant financial interests in the privatisation of the NHS. You’ll be surprised. I don’t know how to post links but the article is still there.

326303 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to dommo, 8, #1167 of 1464 🔗

Thanks for this. The comments are reassuring. I think this could be good. The single issue high profile cases like Dolan were always going to be nobbled, but a myriad of small attacks at weaker parts of the establishment could well bring the giant crashing to the ground. A bit like Gulliver being pulled over by the Liliputians.

326340 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to dommo, 10, #1168 of 1464 🔗

I really hope PCR claims can do something, I am looking at my 6th month of not being allowed to work, and not eligible for SEISS. I have got through it so far, but if it goes on well into 2021 I am very worried. Lots of people in good jobs with good incomes now left with nothing, I find it incredible that the government can tell you that you cant work and yet not pay you compensation.

326310 dommo, 1, #1169 of 1464 🔗
326315 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1170 of 1464 🔗

Read the comments, in particular one from a sheep called Bunnybandit.

Fucking brainwashed twat that they are!

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/covid-scotland-nicola-sturgeon-give-19532926#comments-section

326325 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1171 of 1464 🔗

Was not brave enough to click on the link!

326400 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steeve, 5, #1172 of 1464 🔗

I saw an old gentleman today in M&S, wearing an eye mask over his lower face.
His wife wears something that looks like it is an adjusted oven mitt!

326421 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Silke David, 1, #1173 of 1464 🔗

Was that some kind of mask protest!

326501 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Steeve, 1, #1174 of 1464 🔗

This looks like a Zorro mask to me! That’s probably because I’ve just watched some episodes of Zorro (with Guy Williams) – one of my childhood favourites. That’s one of my escapes – nostalgia.

326330 ▶▶ dpj, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1175 of 1464 🔗

So she’s still concerned about the mutant strain which has now been officially disproved as being more contagious or dangerous. Everyone needs to message her on Twitter with links to the official report.

326343 Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 7, #1176 of 1464 🔗

Permanent adjustments to daily lives? Someone needs to make a permanent adjustment to his life.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/21/who-warns-a-coronavirus-vaccine-alone-will-not-end-pandemic.html

Could it be written any more black and white (am I allowed to say that?). What will it take for people to see? Older article but truth remains.

326366 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 3, #1177 of 1464 🔗

I think far too many people do see, but like what they see. They have realised how selfish and dangerous the old ways were and will embrace the chance to give up any residual individual responsibility and look forward to the announcement that the secret to eternal life has been revealed to Chris Whitty.

326427 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Charlie Blue, #1178 of 1464 🔗

Who wants to live forever, especially with lockdown restrictions?
If they do, then they deserve bread and circuses.

326442 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to TC, 2, #1179 of 1464 🔗

I suspect many people would rather think in those terms than confront their mortality or that of their relatives – and indeed the bread and circuses of the 21st century are serving them well.

326531 ▶▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1180 of 1464 🔗

I’m inclined to disagree. The point is precisely that there aren’t any bread and circuses, that’s what’s driving authorities to greater and greater extremes. When you can’t make people happy with food, wine, revelry and abundance you resort to fear. That is all that’s holding this together. War is also often just such a distraction, but the prospect of that is unimaginably destructive, so they seem to be settling for this.

326544 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 1, #1181 of 1464 🔗

So, that’s the big elephant in the room isn’t it. No point having the vaccine then as WHO also issued a Statement saying it didn’t confer immunity. Making it up as they go along. So, Lockdowns, masks, social distancing, sanitising cannot stop a respiratory virus (What? Can’t stop a virus? No shit sherlock! WHO would have thought? Ha Ha!) and the much heralded vaccine cannot confer immunity time to go back to normal I think since nothing else seems to be effective against this strain of the Flu.

326344 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 25, #1182 of 1464 🔗

I despair, Johnson, Sage banging on about more lockdowns and the covid fanatics in full agreement. Its a tragedy thinking of the people who are dying from other serious conditions, neglected by the Covid NHS

326361 ▶▶ james007, replying to DanClarke, 10, #1183 of 1464 🔗

I find people are still obsessed with “cases”. I think in a normal year “cases” of viruses would be about where they are. I regularly use the Government’s data dashboard, ignore cases, and look at deaths and hospital admissions.
In my constituency, 4 people died of Covid-19 in the last week. The average daily hospital admissions is about 6-7.
I am a Tier 4.
I try to be up on the stats so I can respond to covid worriers. The only way we can change this is to recruit more lockdown sceptics

326370 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DanClarke, 20, #1184 of 1464 🔗

What keeps me going is a sort of stoical resignation – I have accepted that this situation is with us for the foreseeable future, and will quite possibly get worse – but this is mixed with a strong desire to resist it in any way I can and the desire to see justice done against those who have brought this situation about.

326374 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1185 of 1464 🔗

Justice, yes, I’m up and down regarding resignation, have to say

326538 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1186 of 1464 🔗

Actually, what has happened to me since Lockdown 2 is that, every time they driver the propaganda harder and harder and the restrictions harder and harder it hugely increases my instincts to fight fight fight. I’m up for the really ugly fight now. Next rally, I’m there. Prison be damned. I wavered between resignation but NO. I’ve reached a point now where for me, it’s a fight to the end. I’ll do my level best, with others too I hope, to bring this bunch of selfish, money-grabbing, power-grabbing, corrupt politicians and scientists, to push for not a Public Enquiry but a Nuremberg style trial where they can be prosecuted and imprisoned. So, might not win, but I don’t care. I can’t be bothered any more with veering between anxiety, hoplessness, despair and anger. Anger full throttle. Bring on the revolution. I might even try to influence one in my own small way. Hyde Park soap box here I come!!

F**k the corruption, the cronyism, the propaganda, hysteria etc. I’m not buying but my God, I’ll fight to the bitter end. I might even have to apply to China for assylum status!

326597 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo Dominich, #1187 of 1464 🔗

Well done. I should point out by ‘resignation’ that I do not mean passive acceptance, rolling over and giving up. It’s more to do with the Serenity Prayer – striving for the wisdom to accept what cannot be changed but courage to change what can be changed.

326352 BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1188 of 1464 🔗

An interesting paper on the severity of particular variants. For me, it’s just another indication of how trying to compare the response of nations is just pissing in the wind. We don’t even know if we are dealing with the same thing.

https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(20)31757-8/fulltext

326353 John P, replying to John P, 18, #1189 of 1464 🔗

Hi, I’m not staying, so the conspiracy minded can put down their hatchets. I’m not here to pick a fight. I know I’m wasting my time with you.

This is a question that might benefit some people here.

I’ve just been to the shops in a foul mood. I have been enraged by the latest dosage of fear porn from the BBC and the Sun. Still, no doubt the sheep can’t get enough of their daily dose of shite being rammed down their throats.

I think the walk probably did me some good. But how do people here cope with this? Somehow, if you’re reading this then you’ve managed to get through the past nine months. How do you do it? How do you cope?

Do you go for a walk like I do to relax a bit? Maybe you paint or draw? Is music something to relax you and de-stress you?

I personally don’t always cope well with it. And I still resent and oppose the pointless new login policy for the reasons I outlined yesterday. (I think I’ve as much chance of having that pointless mandate rescinded as having Johnson’s mask mandate rescinded. I guess you know how the fat controller feels now eh Toby?)

Again, this will be my only post today and I’m not going to read the replies. But the replies might help some here who are struggling.

326375 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to John P, 8, #1190 of 1464 🔗

No idea. Sometimes I want to talk about it and sometimes I don’t. Obviously the first thing you do is stop watching or reading the news and then for me it’s pretty much distraction. Music, films, etc. It’s not healthy but I’m going to bed much later so I drop off quickly. When you let your mind start turning over in the dark watches of the night you just get worked up. Unlike some, I do think things will get better at some point so I’m trying to ride it out as best I can.

326385 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to John P, 10, #1191 of 1464 🔗

That’s quite a change in tone – well done. It’s good to hear from you. “ I’m not going to read the replies” – of course you are, don’t tease. “ How do you cope?” – we all do it in different ways. For me, music is a big boost but the biggest motivator is getting out into the fresh air. It’s been blowing and raining for three straight days where I live – today there was a break and I shovelled horse shit out of the trailer with my wife for next year’s veg growing. That’s a real worthwhile thing to stay positive about. Everything real is outside in nature – the nightmare only comes through this screen. All the best.

326430 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to godowneasy, 13, #1192 of 1464 🔗

“…getting out into the fresh air”

One of the local news channels here in North Wales had a reporter out today challenging people who had dared to disobey Drakeford’s instructions to stay home unless an emergency. These free spirited individuals had been audacious enough to venture out to Snowdonia (or somewhere in that vicinity). I was impressed with all the responses along the lines of “fresh air being good for you, and nobody was failing to social distance…so what’s your problem?” But there was one particularly impressive chap who said sharply to the reporter something along the lines of “So what do you suggest we do instead? You seem to be keen for all of us to remain locked up in our own homes for the rest of our lives. That’s what is going to happen. Is that really what you want?” The channel broadcast his reaction no doubt assuming people would regard him as irresponsible and a conspiracy theorist; and no doubt many will. But I had nothing but admiration for him.

326446 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dodderydude, 8, #1193 of 1464 🔗

Excellent responses. They might have asked the reporter what he was doing out in the fresh air in defiance of the rules. Of course we know why, the rules don’t apply to anyone in government or MSM.

326584 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1194 of 1464 🔗

‘The nightmare comes only through this screen’. Amen to that!
It’s been pointed out that if we didn’t listen to the media we wouldn’t know there was anything unusual going on.

326389 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to John P, 4, #1195 of 1464 🔗

Strangely the only times I have been able to truly let my mind rest since March is when I have been physically unwell to the point of the pain being so acute that it completely dislodges all other thoughts.

More of an observation than a recommendation obviously.

326396 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John P, 11, #1196 of 1464 🔗

Wank five times a day. Six at weekends.

326407 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1197 of 1464 🔗

I did that in the beginning of the lockdown, my eyesight has now deteriorated… I have wondered if this is because I did too much wanking, or is it a new symptom of the new strain of the virus?….

326509 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to AnotherSceptic, #1198 of 1464 🔗

Have you developed hairs on the back of your palm? If so you need an immediate Covid test.

326415 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1199 of 1464 🔗

If only, at my age that would certainly be a record….

326412 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to John P, 6, #1200 of 1464 🔗

I only go to the supermarket once a week.

There is somebody i meet for a few hours every couple of weeks.

Apart from that and meal deliveries I never meet anyone at all. I do go for walks but only in the country whre I usually meet nobody.

Fortunately, I can do all my work at home.

I haven’t been into a town for months – and I don’t want to.

Haven’t a haircut in ten months.

I think about our captivity all the time.

326456 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to John P, 1, #1201 of 1464 🔗

JP it seems to me you have a messiah complex, dropping in to benefit us all without partaking yourself.

326458 ▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 19, #1202 of 1464 🔗

I never go into a supermarket. I do click and collect.It’s a life-saver. For the rest, I shop in places where I know the assistant/owner isn’t a zombie, and only wears face knickers because it’s that or no job/shutdown.

I buy loads of stuff online. OKZ, Amazon doesn’t pay tax. But it doesn’t treat me like dirt, either. And in Gulag Wales, it’s the only way to buy non-essentials such as books. Dungford is Amazon’s best friend ever.

I sing Matins all alone on a clifftop instead of going to ‘church’ among the horrible knickered zombie Covid worshippers.

I stay out of town centres as much as possible.
I rip down Covvie notices, or stick subversive stickers over them.

I keep busy. I ride. I geologise. I practise the piano. I walk the dog. I study Greek.

I glory in the fact that there are other sane people about.

I pray.

326502 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Annie, #1203 of 1464 🔗

Great post, Annie. Here’s a verse for you: Ps.108:13.

326541 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Annie, 3, #1204 of 1464 🔗

‘ I sing matins on a cliff top … ‘ brought more than one tear to my eye. Actually one has just smudged the keyboard. Blessed are you.

326588 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Annie, 1, #1205 of 1464 🔗

I am incredibly impressed that you sing matins on your own. Do you do the whole lot, psalms and everything? Do you use the same setting every time? I am a (now ex-) chorister and church-goer; all I do now is listen to Choral Evensong on Radio Three.

326499 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to John P, 8, #1206 of 1464 🔗

I try to be thankful that we are retired and can avoid most of the nonsense on a day-to-day basis. I’m thankful we left the city and are now living permanently in the country; we have enough land that we don’t see other people and can hike or snowshoe on our own property. Being outdoors and getting fresh air and exercise really helps keep me sane. I’m thankful my family and some of my friends aren’t crazy and will visit and behave perfectly normally. I read a lot and come here every day to remind myself there are other sane people. And I’ve been making music with my family — hubby has become a Garage Band master, plays the guitar and bass, and my daughter (when she’s visiting) and I sing. My brother is coming to lay down some drum tracks on an epic cover we’re doing and a few other covers. Friends and family appear to look forward to our “new releases” so it’s a great way to spend time, have fun, and forget about this shit show for a while. I’m thankful my dog makes me laugh every day. Advice? I can only say escape it to the extent your circumstances allow, take care of your health as it’s the one thing the bastards don’t control, get outside, socialize when and with whom you can, break the rules as often as you are able, and never stop fighting.

326612 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 5, #1207 of 1464 🔗

I’ve made sure that the bird table outside the kitchen window has been kept well stocked. I can sit at the kitchen table for hours watching the Blue, Coal and Great Tits pecking at the fat balls. The little gangs of Long Tailed Tits are a delight. The Starlings and Robins do their best to hang on to the feeders, but they’re not the most dextrous. The Blackbirds, finches and Dunnock hoover up what has dropped to the floor. The Gold Finches seem to prefer the lavender dead heads and the overwintering Red Wings are happiest gobbling down the holly berries.

Whilst being a joy to watch, I’m reminded that our fauna doesn’t care about viruses or media or money or power or control. Only living the miracle of life that all us animals are blessed with matters. It gives me the resolve I need to continue to fight for those I love.

326735 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to John P, 1, #1208 of 1464 🔗

I have used the time to give my workshop a damn good clean. I have cleaned and painted the floor. I have replaced the shit striplights with superb led replacements. I have gone for walks and fed the goats that live in the grounds of the nearby hotel. They now come running when I call them. I have got pissed in the churchyard occasionally with a couple of friends. I have disobeyed the rules and gone round to friends houses. They have come round to our house and we have all consumed beers. I have done my casual hours van driving job in between. Best of all I built a lovely looking “Cafe Racer” style motorcycle from an abandoned Suzuki GN125 that I saw in a friends garden in lockdown 1. Reviewing this post I see that interests are important. They fill a lot of time and take ones mind off shit. More important are friends. They are mostly what facilitated my continuing sanity. From your antagonistic, aggressive previous posts here, I can only assume that you are not similarly blessed. If that is the case then, that is a shame. You seem to be broadly on a similar page as the rest of us here. You stated that you wouldn t read the replies but that is plainly bollox. I would. Should that be the case then I wish you all the best and I hope that you can indulge your interests and/or get some friends. Don t be a victim of all this shite.

326357 NickR, 13, #1209 of 1464 🔗

I just booked a pub lunch for 6 for Sunday, I had to pay a deposit to hold the table, that’s a new one on me! What are the chances of there being a full lockdown by then?
I then did the maths. At an R of 3, accepting yesterday’s infections of 50,000 we’ll be at 38m by Sunday, surely enough for herd immunity & they can reopen all the pubs.

326362 davews, replying to davews, 42, #1210 of 1464 🔗

I think I am losing it with the way the media is driving it to the limit today. Posted this on another forum I use where there seem the usual crowd of lockdown zealots – and one from the NHS seemingly confirming them overwhelmed:

Sorry I totally disagree. The media now seem to be in full flow panic fear mode and the whole population has been so brain washed that they will believe anything they are told. The vast majority of the test results announced today were from samples taken over a week ago, there is obviously a huge backlog. During that time the virus has probably grown by itself in the vial (admit that is speculation) and the vast majority waiting for their results have got over the virus. Boris’s flagship lighthouse labs are a mess but they won’t admit it.

Whatever the situation you do NOT stop it by ever more draconian measures, changing every few days, some of them like closing pubs after 10pm on the edge of bizarre. I have now totally lost my tether. As you know I was self employed, now retired so don’t have financial issues. but there are now thousands and thousands self employed and other small businesses who have been forced to close who will probably never start trading again. Those people are also at the end of their tether, I know quite a few who have taken their lives. Our whole way of life has been totally destroyed with no hope of any exit in the foreseeable future. I would have normally hoped to have enjoyed the remaining 20 or so years left to me doing the things I love. That has gone, I am just left to cry my heart out by myself (and believe me I do just that).

I know I feel exactly the same as many on here.

326369 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to davews, 19, #1211 of 1464 🔗

Its true the msm seem to be in overdrive propaganda mode now. People who want the covid lie, pushed seem to think we are not being compliant enough so maybe that’s why. I disagree that the majority are soaking it up

326380 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, 16, #1212 of 1464 🔗

It’s the same old pattern.The media build up before more draconian restrictions are announced.The degree of coordination would put North Korea to shame and yet people on here still cling to the incompetence theory.

326394 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1213 of 1464 🔗

co-ordination – now there’s a talking point. has there been any kind of co-ordination between the govt actions here and recent/current (non-covid specific) events in the usa?

326486 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DanClarke, 9, #1214 of 1464 🔗

I think we now know who runs this country don’t we? Murdoch did say he could make or break governments. Like Johnson, Wancock, WItless, Unbalanced, Ferguson and the rest of the cabal, they are drunk with power now. Look at Wancock, he loves every second of it. They are shameless liars and conmen. Just as the MSM are now the Government’s propaganda machine. I think people are beginning to wake up though. I am deeply cynical about all these people who are Lockdown Zealots making comments. We must never forget that any other alternative opinion is being severely censored. Thus, will never make it through to the actual comments page. We must not forget this. It is manufactured consent just as the MSM in full propaganda mode today is manufactured hysteria.

326520 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to davews, 2, #1215 of 1464 🔗

It occasionally occurs to me that if things really are so dire then politicians and the media will feel compelled to keep playing it up because if they don’t they are going to be out of a job and probably a lot worse than that.

They’ve fundamentally boxed themselves into a corner with nowhere to go.

326377 straightalkingyorkshireman, 13, #1216 of 1464 🔗

Been out for two long walks today with two separate families. Lots of others out and about as well. Almost normal apart from the odd in your face nap.

326383 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1217 of 1464 🔗

Listen to Hour 1 of Alex Jones today. Federal stats on the hospitals shown to be fake. In the first five minutes is an excerpt from a George Carlin skit on germs.

http://rss.gcnlive.com/alexJones/?p=home#google_vignette

326406 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #1218 of 1464 🔗

The USA seems to be following a familiar pattern: medics performing Tik Tok dance routines while media claim hospitals are overflowing with Covid cases, Governors and health officials hypocritically failing to follow the rules they impose on the public, no real difference in the progress of the virus between states that lockdown and states that don’t, no or oittle increasd in excess deaths and, yes, flu has virtually disappeared.

326426 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 4, #1219 of 1464 🔗

that is all much more terrifying than any flu-like illness

WTF is going on?

326435 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to OKUK, 2, #1220 of 1464 🔗

Don’t worry, it’s just a silly cockup, globally replicated and telegraphed by the same mantra towards the same ends. Nothing to see here. Trust me – I’m a coincidence credulist. ;-D

326478 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to JamesDrebin, 3, #1222 of 1464 🔗

You shameless credulist. For that you will be awarded a £5m Covid contract.

326491 ▶▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Jo Dominich, #1223 of 1464 🔗

And a regular spot on the national media circuit, please.

326395 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1224 of 1464 🔗

The Independent: England’s top medic Chris Whitty treated Covid patients over Christmas weekend.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-chris-whitty-london-uclh-christmas-b1780017.html

326397 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1225 of 1464 🔗

Inability to delegate usually prevents upward progression in a successful organisation…..

Or maybe he just needed the money..

326402 ▶▶ Fred, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1226 of 1464 🔗

I bet his wife breathed a sigh of relief when she saw his rota.

326409 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Fred, 4, #1227 of 1464 🔗

Think he’s single. So probably needed the company of being in the hospital – presuming he’d finished Netflix already.

326417 ▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1228 of 1464 🔗

… er… “I bet his family breathed a sigh of relief when they saw his rota.” (Just laugh and vote it up, you bastard. Can’t you see I’m desperate.)

326429 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Fred, 4, #1229 of 1464 🔗

Sorry Fred! Uptick applied. I’m afraid I went off into a dream/nightmare scenario imagining what his home might look like (everything grey, I think) and what he might do if he’s not working (probably does whatever it is while wearing a hair shirt).

326447 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #1230 of 1464 🔗

“The plan we are outlining is for Family Member #2 to do the washing up, whilst Family Member #3 puts the freshly cleaned dishes back into the cupboard… next slide, please. As you can see, it’s estimated that this task will take 5.5 minutes to complete. Next slide, please.”

326454 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Fred, 2, #1231 of 1464 🔗

Thank you. That did make me laugh!

326480 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fred, #1232 of 1464 🔗

Lol 😂 😂 😂

326431 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1233 of 1464 🔗

“Yes this one’s definitely a Covid!”

“But I only came in with a twisted ankle! ”

“So if I ask you “Have you not got Covid? ” what’s your answer? ”

“Yes, I …”

[Whitty cuts off patient in mid sentence] “You heard that nurse, he said yes, another positive..make a note.”

326453 ▶▶▶ Fred, replying to OKUK, 6, #1234 of 1464 🔗

“How old are you, young man? Seven and a half. My my. Well, you’ll probably be dead soon, won’t you? No, not from that. That’s just a scratch. The Nurse will patch that up for you – she’ll be here in a minute. No, I mean from COVID. Yes, it’s almost certain you won’t see out 2021, young man. Particularly if you’re sent back to school. Will it hurt? Oh yes. It’ll hurt an awful lot. Here, have a tissue. It’s okay. Use the time you’ve got left to say goodbye to your loved ones. Next!”

326570 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fred, 2, #1235 of 1464 🔗

Covidthon Man

‘Next patient please’.
‘Hello Professor’.
‘Is it safe?’
‘Is what safe?’
‘Is it safe?’
‘I don’t know what you’re talking about. How can I say it’s safe if I don’t know what it is?’
(Picks up scalpel) ‘Is it safe?’
‘Oh, it’s very, very safe.’

326437 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1236 of 1464 🔗

Like the vet from the League of Gentlemen.

326471 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1237 of 1464 🔗

Field research to further falsify the stats I think!

326472 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1238 of 1464 🔗

If Whitty had managed to work over Christmas, without it making it into the press, I wouldn’t call him a cunt.

326497 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Will, 3, #1239 of 1464 🔗

and he’s clearly a cunt

326566 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1240 of 1464 🔗

I knew Whitty was dodgy when Radio Four started going on about how wonderful he is.

326404 Tom Blackburn, 2, #1241 of 1464 🔗

Mirror Online: Inside a dismantled Nightingale hospital NHS England insist it is still ‘on standby’.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-dismantled-nightingale-hospital-nhs-23236124

326428 Mark Pulsford, 2, #1242 of 1464 🔗

I’ve just been on the government ONS website for England and Wales deaths and from End of May (week 22) to Mid December (week 50) the figures are as follows:

2020: 292,735
2019: 281,438
2018: 273,290
2017: 279,293

It has been a completely normal year for mortality since the end of May even with shutting down the NHS. I have type 1 diabetes and the service has been shocking – no blood test all year – my Hba1c is likely to be through the roof.

326432 Liam, replying to Liam, 11, #1243 of 1464 🔗

“Pressure grows for school closures.”

From who?

Media delenda est.

326450 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Liam, 12, #1244 of 1464 🔗

Classic MSM propaganda calling cards: “Pressure grows….” “Outrage at….” “Experts call for….” etc.

In other words, probably a handful of people in toxic MSM circles think that this is what everyone else should be thinking. How do so many of us fall for it time and time again?

326479 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, 4, #1245 of 1464 🔗

They always go for the emotive language which trigger fear and anger. Can’t believe the population don’t ever figure out how they are played for fools again and again.

326510 ▶▶▶ james007, replying to Richard O, 6, #1246 of 1464 🔗

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if news agencies told us what was going on in the country and the world, rather than how we should feel, and what we should think?
I did a research project once where I had to dig out old newspapers from the early 20th century. It was incredible how forensic the reporting was. Policians speeches quoted in full, with analysis, reported crimes with all known facts, some analysis and opinion- but mostly fact. Maybe reporting is a lost art.

326548 ▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to james007, 1, #1247 of 1464 🔗

So,so true!

326622 ▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to james007, 4, #1248 of 1464 🔗

I get a similar feeling when I read older books – they assume a level of general knowledge and familiarity with languages (e.g. Latin and French) that certainly wasn’t provided by my comprehensive education. I feel like I’m trying to catch up before it’s too late to absorb any new knowledge.

Then again, we’re in good company. As Socrates is supposed to have said: ‘The more I learn, the more I realise I know nothing’

326590 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Richard O, 5, #1249 of 1464 🔗

You missed their favourite one. “Fears grow that…” etcetera. You usually don’t get told whose “fears” they are, but you can always tell that the article within is going to be utter bullshit aimed at producing an unpleasant public response – panic buying lettuce, toilet roll etc. There can be no justification for the BBC in particular to be doing this shit, as it does not matter to the BBC about viewing figures, clicks or newspaper sales. If Ofcom/government were doing their job they would be clamping down on this kind of psychological manipulation.

326485 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Liam, 3, #1250 of 1464 🔗

Teachers and yummy mummies/daddies on SM?

326492 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Liam, #1251 of 1464 🔗

evacuation

326436 Will, 8, #1252 of 1464 🔗

Did the behavioural scientists, in their onanistic frenzy, mistake “the boy who cried wolf” for a template?

326439 Gary, replying to Gary, 28, #1253 of 1464 🔗

Does anyone else on this forum just feel a deep, dark sense of gloom. I’ve gone from anger, disbelief, calm resignation to now feeling this will never , ever end. Too many of the population and the media just don’t want it to. I feel I’ll have to leave the UK.

326451 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Gary, 8, #1254 of 1464 🔗

And go where? The COVID show is everywhere.

326455 ▶▶▶ Gary, replying to George Mc, 1, #1255 of 1464 🔗

Good point George Mc . I wonder what nations on the planet are reacting proportionally

326457 ▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Gary, 4, #1256 of 1464 🔗

Are we going early here, on an exiting the UK campaign? We’ve only just left the EU, of course; but I’m with you.

326461 ▶▶▶▶ Colin, replying to Gary, 5, #1257 of 1464 🔗

Tanzania. Most of Africa in fact.

326466 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Colin, 2, #1258 of 1464 🔗

And most of Latin America.

326475 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #1259 of 1464 🔗

Chile, Peru and Argentina have been particularly bad, would stay well clear of them.

326490 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Darryl, 3, #1260 of 1464 🔗

Argentina have had the harshest snuffing out of freedom by lockdown. House arrest since day one. Masks outside house. Etc.
Really sorrowful as Argentinians are full of fun and life despite having inflation through the roof that hancock boris and cabal dream of.

326467 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gary, replying to Colin, 2, #1261 of 1464 🔗

Cheers Colin. When Sweden was holding its nerve I looked long and hard at moving to Stockholm

326469 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Gary, 2, #1262 of 1464 🔗

I would love to escape but have come to the conclusion that I might as well make a stand on home ground. There are probably a few countries under the New World Order / media radar that get away without enforcing restrictions even if they are officially in place.

326487 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gary, replying to Darryl, 3, #1263 of 1464 🔗

Hi Darryl. That was my thinking. Some second or third world place where frankly the Cov sniffle is the least of their worries. Maybe I ought to stay and fight but the overwhelming audience are loving this….

326506 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to George Mc, 2, #1264 of 1464 🔗

China, Japan and South Korea don’t have all this crap!

326464 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Gary, 35, #1265 of 1464 🔗

Gary please don’t despair. Of course it will end just how is what is not known. I’ve been at the petrol station today and I can say one thing, 99% of the customers who came in (a large percentage of who were believers) are teetering on the brink of serious anger, incredulity and starting to froth at the mouth because Wancock is likely to put the whole of the country into Tier 4 tomorrow based on falsified data, ridiculous NHS claims and just sheer weight of their total compliance with all the Regs and nothing has changed. The latter is what most people were ranting about. I fuelled it a bit by saying that it seemed to me that everyone had done just what was required of them and still got blamed for it all yet here we were allegedly in a situation which was ‘out of control’ when the data said the opposite. The only truck driver that came in today was truly incandescent with rage. Good thing he knows us all here!! I am unable to repeat what he would do to a piece of Wancock’s anatomy!

Wancock will appear on TV again tomorrow and announce, with massive delight, glee and pleasure (he’s probably got a huge boner at just the thought of all this power) that all the Country will be placed in Tier 4 restrictions because, if people had seen the data they had no choice but to make this decision. Oh and BTW, it’s all you, the public’s fault.

Keep faith Gary. A young colleague told me today that he had been listening to the radio this morning and there were some people interviewed who said there was now a necessity for a public inquiry. I said that’s too mild. It should be a Nuremberg style legal process.

326473 ▶▶▶ Gary, replying to Jo Dominich, 16, #1266 of 1464 🔗

Hi Jo. I truly hope and prayer you’re right. The idea of another year of this madness and frankly sadness fills me with dread .

326560 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Gary, 4, #1267 of 1464 🔗

With the ‘normies’ I’m pretty blunt now and say that this is going to last forever, because it’s about the only thing that will wake them up. With sceptics I am a bit softer, and say that we don’t know the future. The ‘old normal’ is gone for good but that’s not to say we won’t get something fairly similar back, it’s just not sure when. We are in a proxy world war now, and world wars have been measured in years. Not months, but not decades either.

326706 ▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Cranmer, #1268 of 1464 🔗

I’ve moved to this tack now, it at least gets raised eyebrows. When a majority accepts the permanence though, that’s the end. Two acquaintances told me yesterday what they’ve enjoyed about lockdown, their Xmas day testing centre outing and their worries about false negative results. Where do I start from there? Slowly banging my head on the desk.

326470 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Gary, 10, #1269 of 1464 🔗

Doom is the right feeling though. Realise there is truth in how you feel, don’t make the mistake of trying to just end it. You know where this is headed if we don’t stop it. So, the question is not those feelings, but how you act on them. Read Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations. He’ll set you right.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”

326488 ▶▶▶ Gary, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1270 of 1464 🔗

Cheers Bepop. Will take a look. Anything for some positive inspiration

326561 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Gary, #1271 of 1464 🔗

I second that. Marcus Aurelius’ meditations on mortality are very good.

326565 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cranmer, #1272 of 1464 🔗

Here is a fine short introductory lecture on Marcus Aurelius:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auuk1y4DRgk

If that doesn’t whet your appetite, nothing will.

326476 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Gary, 4, #1273 of 1464 🔗

Yes, always listen to your instincts.

I too am considering emigration from Europe.

Pretty soon we might need a vaccine to fly though.

326489 ▶▶▶ Gary, replying to rockoman, 1, #1274 of 1464 🔗

My thoughts too rockoman. Africa??

326482 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Gary, 2, #1275 of 1464 🔗

its going to get a lot worse before it gets better, thats the nature of things, drive on….

326552 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Gary, 2, #1276 of 1464 🔗

Sartre wrote ‘life begins on the far side of despair’. Meaning, that we only begin to live when we have been stripped of all our illusions and look things squarely in the face. Since October, it has been clear to me that governments around the world have been acting like hostile enemy powers in their own countries. The main thing that stops me going loopy is knowing that at least, in some small way, I can still fight back.

326440 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 24, #1277 of 1464 🔗

Alison Pearson debunking the ‘hospitals full’ myth on Twitter using the NHS’s own data. Beautiful.

326445 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tom Blackburn, 24, #1278 of 1464 🔗

Great! Now she needs tl get together with Hitchens and Sumption and lead a huge March of Liberty across central London.

326452 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to OKUK, 9, #1279 of 1464 🔗

That’s precisely the problem,none of these people will do such a thing,at the end of the day they are worried about losing their incomes.Most of them have been saying the right things for months now but it makes pretty much zero difference.

326462 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Paul, 1, #1280 of 1464 🔗

She would lose her job for sure. Kay Burley was let out to pasture for 6 months for having a birthday party.

326477 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Paul, 1, #1281 of 1464 🔗

for the cause – these peeps are best placed in their jobs

326460 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to OKUK, 7, #1282 of 1464 🔗

Sadly don’t think any of them would want to be associated with an anti lockdown march. Hitchens was quite dismissive of previous protests – shame as he would have added some credibility to the movement in the summer and we might not be in this position again now. It would be good if some media figures actually saw police brutality on the ground.

326505 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Darryl, 7, #1283 of 1464 🔗

He’s happier imagining he’s CS Lewis holding forth in some Oxford hostelry I guess. Shame. He would be a good figurehead I think.

326496 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 5, #1284 of 1464 🔗

Let’s keep real. The Iraq March 20 years ago was massive – far more than I would expect now for Johnson’s shit-show.

… and yet it altered nothing.

Sorry to sound pessimistic, but, before anything, you’ve got to have the bodies.

This is going to be a long, hard grind.

326503 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 7, #1285 of 1464 🔗

Entirely different context. The massive anti Iraq War marches were the usual suspects: students, Labour activists and supporters, trade unionists, SWP and (a very large contingent) Islamic organsiations.

Any march against lockdowns would be from a much broader spectrum and would include a huge proportion of people who have voted Conservative in recent years. It would be a highly significant event and one a Tory government coukd not blithely ignore.

326514 ▶▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to OKUK, 7, #1286 of 1464 🔗

Yes – remember the Poll Tax riots people, it can be done.

326534 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to nocheesegromit, 5, #1287 of 1464 🔗

The poll tax was genuinely unpopular. I remember telling a Conservative supporter at the time that it was Thatcher’s worst political move of all time and would destroy her government. It did.

Of course this is a much more complex situation we are in now. For me, the fight against lockdowns is just one theatre of war in a much bigger conflict between CCP-Globalism and populism.

326515 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, #1288 of 1464 🔗

Your political prejudices delude and blind you.

The support was significant in its broad base, even if Tories dipped out more than others as they waved their willies in support of Blair and imperial delusion. But there were some. And certainly a lot from the generally non-sectarian middle of the political spectrum, well away from the ‘usual suspects’..

That’s why it was so big.

… and which is my point. At present there is no such coalition of opposition – as the moaning about the ‘sheeple’ here testifies.

326527 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 2, #1289 of 1464 🔗

I know that was the Guardian propaganda of the time. Polls revealed there was strong support for Blair and the war at the time of the demos and he secured another large majority at the election in 2005. It reminds me of the baloney about “ordinary housewives” starting the Greenham Common protest. Ordinary housewives lol.

326542 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1290 of 1464 🔗

But that’s the problem. We’re in ‘glass half full/empty’ situation. The statistics and data can, and are, being twisted to mean whatever the government wants them to mean, and hardly anybody notices nor cares. It’s been done before – a medical writer called Dr Lauren Colby showed in the 90s that, using the same statistics that were being used to ban smoking in public places, the government ought also to ban drinking milk and keeping pet birds because these had the same risk level for lung cancer.

326733 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Cranmer, #1291 of 1464 🔗

And that is precisely where my scepticism and mistrust of government was born. Then I discovered Devils Kitchen and Old Holborn swearyblogs. P.S. I am smoking a fag now.

326441 Mark Pulsford, replying to Mark Pulsford, 4, #1292 of 1464 🔗

There’s been a normal number of deaths since May – even with shutting the NHS

England and Wales deaths – end of May to Mid December
week 22 to week 50       Variance to average
2020           292,735                        3.9%
2019           281,438                        -0.1%
2018           273,290                        -3.0%
2017           279,293                        -0.9%

Average                   281,689

326495 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark Pulsford, 1, #1293 of 1464 🔗

Mark – I think you need to look at your ‘average’.

If you’ve used the common 5-year period, you will be overstating the variance of 2020, since the preceding years are atypically low in mortality.

In a longer timespan, the Week 22-50 figures come out below average.

In a more historical context, 2020 is pretty insignificant in term of mortality for the latter part of the year, and the 2019-2020 season, including the April spike, is only 8th in a quarter of a century.

326444 danny, replying to danny, 37, #1294 of 1464 🔗

In tier 5000 down here on the south coast, what with one man and his dog in hospital with Covid.
Been lovely being at home for Xmas after the relentless insanity of masks and lockdowns. Just to forget and not have to fight this nonsense every single minute of the day.
But today I had to surface again at the supermarket and it was all there waiting for me. The signs. The markers. The muzzles.

326449 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to danny, 12, #1295 of 1464 🔗

Ultimately they want everyone to stay at home and watch programmes from PC I.e. pre-covid. We will all end up living in a Philip K Dick world where the outside is unknown and we exist in a delusional reality.

326465 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to George Mc, 8, #1296 of 1464 🔗

“Today we live in a society in which spurious realities are manufactured by the media, by governments, by big corporations, by religious groups, political groups… So I ask, in my writing, What is real? Because unceasingly we are bombarded with pseudo-realities manufactured by very sophisticated people using very sophisticated electronic mechanisms. I do not distrust their motives; I distrust their power. They have a lot of it. And it is an astonishing power: that of creating whole universes, universes of the mind. I ought to know. I do the same thing.”

― Philip K. Dick

326555 ▶▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to rockoman, 2, #1297 of 1464 🔗

Just finished season 3 of Westworld, and I have a sneaking suspicion we’re already most of the way there

326539 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to George Mc, 3, #1298 of 1464 🔗

Mr Dick must have smoked some strong stuff. I remember one novel (forget the name) where colonists (on Mars I think) are in such bad conditions that they spend all their time stoned on some sort of hallucinogenic drug while they play with Barbie doll houses which they think are real. Not much different to being drugged up on booze and junk food while watching Netflix, I suppose.

326573 ▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1299 of 1464 🔗

Wi-fi is the opium of the masses. And yes, I am just as addicted to the internet as everyone else.

326575 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1300 of 1464 🔗

That was The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch . Like Frank Zappa, PKD never came up with a bad title.

326459 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 20, #1301 of 1464 🔗

Nurse tests positive 8 days after getting Pfzier Vaccine

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/er-nurse-tests-positive-for-covid-19-eight-days-after-receiving-vaccine

Meaningless on both sides of the vaccination arguments. PCR renders it all smoke and mirrors.

326483 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1302 of 1464 🔗

Great news for AstraZeneca. The more bad news stories I hear about the Pfizer vaccine, the more I am reminded of the fact that their CEO dumped stocks on the day they announced their vaccine was 90% effective (which was circulated worldwide by MSM).

https://www.salon.com/2020/11/13/watchdog-group-calls-for-sec-probe-pfizer-ceo-dumped-56m-in-stock-on-day-of-vaccine-news/

326681 ▶▶ ZigZag, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1303 of 1464 🔗

The person quoted says something about it showing why masks and other measures are important. The guy works in an ER department so if he caught it at work, which seems likely, how did his mask help?

The quotes also completely miss the point that even Pfizer stated they don’t know if the vaccine will provide any immunity.

326468 Steeve, 5, #1304 of 1464 🔗

Something else to celebrate at Midnight on New Years Eve is that the death counter will be 000000.

326481 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 8, #1305 of 1464 🔗

been digging into a few hospitals at crisis point. The Queen Elizabeth in Woolwich declared an emergency yet it’s NHS trust said 20 people were admitted and 209 in hospital. QE has a 500 bed capacity. Turns out there’s a shortage of oxygen. Something several other hospitals have reported.

326557 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1306 of 1464 🔗

If there is really a shortage of oxygen at this late juncture that has surely got to be a resigning/dismissal matter for someone: head of the ICU, CEO of the hospital, head of the Trust, head of the NHS or Hancock himself.

326493 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1307 of 1464 🔗

Date for your diary – 31 January 2021

Come back here and see if this was true:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/tier-5-england-faces-possible-new-covid-restrictions-source-says

However, an analysis of the spread of the new, highly transmissible coronavirus variant by experts at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, released this month, warned that even if the whole of England were placed under tier 4 restrictions on Boxing Day until the end of January, the R value would not fall below 1.

326498 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1308 of 1464 🔗

The R number is calculated and estimated. It is an entirely notional figure. They can calculate it over 1 if they feel so inclined. So this would be a pointless exercise.

326504 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 2, #1309 of 1464 🔗

Agreed. It’s more GI>GO – totally dependent on dodgy data.

There are some really crap scientists in this modelling business, who don’t seem to have read the basic introductory chapters on how to handle data before you go anywhere near a computer model.

326516 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, #1310 of 1464 🔗

But they manage to promote the narrative all the time.

326518 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 4, #1311 of 1464 🔗

I developed a healthy distrust of modelling when I had an interest in cosmology. Slowly it dawns in you that if there are 100 competing (cosmological) models, all claiming to be derived from mathematics applied to real world data then at least 99% of them are wrong, and if 99% are definitely wrong, the likelihood of the last 1% being right is pretty slim as well!

326559 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to OKUK, #1312 of 1464 🔗

Agreed, and cosmology is relatively simple to model compared to modelling a system full of matter, energy and intelligence (allegedly). The arrogance of thinking you can model a pandemic with fine granularity models is stunning. Chaotic effects quickly make them junk. You can use simpler models that use previously observed patterns to predict an outcome, but you cannot possibly model a complex system like a virus in a population, especially when you don’t have scientific data to input sensible parameters. For me, Whitty’s infamous 4000 deaths a day graph perfectly demonstrated the futility of this modeling when it was clear that each of the proposed models were outputting results where their confidence intervals didn’t overlap with each other. If confidence intervals don’t overlap it means that at least some of the models are certainly wrong.

326574 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #1313 of 1464 🔗

Mostly agree but when you get into cosmological models with 11 dimensions I don’t think they are “relatively simple” – they just become playpens for mathematicians!

326519 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1314 of 1464 🔗

KCL Zoe app implies R could be below 1 in several days time. It shows R has fallen from about 1.5 to 1.2 in the last week

326524 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #1315 of 1464 🔗

here

326525 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #1316 of 1464 🔗

if they are looking at this data then they will have to clamp down hard very soon to try and take the credit

326529 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steve_w, #1317 of 1464 🔗

Will they give it any consideration when they have the positive test figures of the last few days to deploy?

326535 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Charlie Blue, #1318 of 1464 🔗

the positive test figures are for Joe Public. I’m sure they look at this data to decide when to lock down. Sage was screaming for a lockdown 2 weeks before we did because they wanted to get ahead of the peak they knew was coming (peak 2)

326537 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1319 of 1464 🔗

I somehow think new ‘highly transmissable variants’ are always going to be arriving on the scene just as people seem to be getting a bit less scared of the old variants.

326508 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #1320 of 1464 🔗

EVIDENCE OF UK GOVERNMENT PROPERTY AND LAND GRAB
https://www.bitchute.com/video/VErboJxgGKr9/?fbclid=IwAR02gjmI52CoscBzVa62WnaILbrGEiVz8wcuQ4NpBUcdJEtHNv4jcz2zg8w

Apparently authentic correspondence from government shown in video

326626 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1321 of 1464 🔗

That’s incredibly interesting. Thanks for sharing.

326511 BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1322 of 1464 🔗

“Stringency of the measures settled to fight pandemia, including lockdown, did not appear to be linked with death rate.”

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.604339/full

Lockdowns have nothing to do with a virus.

326512 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 13, #1323 of 1464 🔗

Apologies if someone has already suggested something similar, but I was thinking – wouldn’t it be a good idea to promote businesses that are defying the restrictions and staying open (perhaps in the newsletter) so that we can support them? If we could raise money for any brave folk as we did for the Liverpudlian gym blokes it would not only raise morale amongst us lot but show them that we’re behind them all the way.

326532 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to nocheesegromit, 5, #1324 of 1464 🔗

Good idea. I wrote letters of support offering financial assistance (politely refused) to the Liverpool gym and a couple of other shops that defied the lockdowns. It would be nice if we could list them here, if only for people to give a quick message of support on Facebook etc.

326536 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to nocheesegromit, 8, #1325 of 1464 🔗

We don’t want this to become a one stop shop for the Environmental Health / police.

I could name a number of shops that are bare-face friendly, for example, but they might not thank me for the publicity!

326551 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Ovis, 2, #1326 of 1464 🔗

That’s true – perhaps not those that are more lenient and have a lot to lose, but definitely businesses owners with nothing left to lose and who are directly challenging the system wouldn’t mind such publicity IMO.

326577 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #1327 of 1464 🔗

Yes, those businesses that are out and proud could certainly benefit from publicity and our support.

We just need to avoid outing those who are trying to do the right thing from inside the closet. We need to make sure we have asked the question Bojo didn’t: is our help, in such and such a particular case, actually helpful?

326553 ▶▶ Janette, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1328 of 1464 🔗

I would definitely chip in.

326579 ▶▶ dommo, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1329 of 1464 🔗
326528 ▶▶ dommo, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #1331 of 1464 🔗

that’s great – let’s hope it gains some traction. one down, 125,999 to go…

326550 ▶▶ Janette, replying to PastImperfect, #1332 of 1464 🔗

Good on Bobby. I think that’s is very brave of him and the right thing to do.

326564 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1333 of 1464 🔗

It’s a start but this is the first UK police officer to speak out (anonymously) after they have been imposing a 9 month intimidation / terror campaign against the UK public for doing things such as visiting relatives, sunbathing, attending peaceful protests…. just goes to show how the UK police military force see the public as the enemy.

326589 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Darryl, #1334 of 1464 🔗

and vice versa….

326523 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1336 of 1464 🔗

Israel, a nasty little country:

From The Telegraph (paywall):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/worlds-fastest-covid-inoculation-drive-israel-vaccinates-five/

The Israeli system also has incentives beyond the inoculation itself. It is set to become the first country to start issuing a “green passport” to residents who have received the full two-dose vaccine – effectively a passport out of lockdown.

Director-General of the Ministry of Health, Chezy Levy, told Channel 12 News that the passport will be automatically issued by the ministry two weeks after the second required dose of the vaccine has been delivered.

The certificate will allow residents to travel abroad without a PCR test, exempt them from some mandatory quarantines and offer access to cultural events and restaurants when the current national lockdown has been lifted.

.  .  .

Leaving aside the efficacy or desirability of the vaccine:

Israel’s vaccination programme covers all Israeli citizens over 16 but currently excludes the millions of Palestinians living under Israeli control in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.

326530 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1337 of 1464 🔗

Well – they don’t have to bother about the palestinians – they’ve already had their rights removed and are imprisoned. So just the settlers to sort.

326546 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 5, #1338 of 1464 🔗

Last time I looked about 20% of Israelis were Arabs. What’s the equivalent percentage of Jews in Egypt, Iraq and Iran these days? Is it 0.001% or just 0.000%?

326572 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to OKUK, 2, #1339 of 1464 🔗

They’re not ethnic Arabs, they’re overwhelmingly the descendants of the mainly Christian people who were living there when the Arabs conquered the area from the Romans in the 7th century AD.

And in 1921 they formed around 90% of the population of the area between the Jordan and the Med, according to the census we carrted out.

326610 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ossettian, #1340 of 1464 🔗

They self identify as Arab and they mostly speak Arabic – who are you to tell them what their identity is? The vast majority are Muslim not Christian.

326540 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1341 of 1464 🔗

Still… if only 30% + refuse, those organising ‘cultural events’ will be pleading for this nonsense to be lifted. Likewise airlines.

326545 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1342 of 1464 🔗

Surely I can’t be the only one thinking that the ‘green passport’ is akin to an Aryan certificate? How long will it be until those who don’t have one are made to wear a badge of some kind?

326547 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1343 of 1464 🔗

Ordinary Israeli people are fine but it is basically turning into a technologically controlled authoritarian police state – surely some ordinary citizens must be concerned?

I am sure Dr Bill Gates and GAVI will have special plans for the Palestinians – they definitely won’t be escaping mandatory vaccinations, its pretty much an impoverished slave state.

326526 Hamilton, #1344 of 1464 🔗

Here’s a first draft of Hands-Face-Embrace in SVG format (for nocheesegromitand and anyone else who’s interested). The original PNG version was assembled from existing graphics located online.

HANDS

The hands are from ‘How to Draw Holding Hands’. I’ve turned them into vectors.

https://howtowiki91.blogspot.com/2018/04/how-to-draw-holding-hands-easy.html

SMILING YOUNG WOMAN

The smiling young woman is an Alamy Stock Vector. Price £11.99.
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-happy-woman-face-cartoon-139117279.html

I wasn’t going to pay £11.99 to Alamy, so I produced my own.

EMBRACE

Embrace seems to be an Adobe stock image.
https://stock.adobe.com/uk/images/kids-teacher-group-hug-illustration/241379762

The image has been used in a fair few websites and publications. For instance, the slightly ghastly ‘Why can’t I go to school?’

https://challengingbehavior.cbcs.usf.edu/emergency/docs/School-Closed_Story_EN.pdf

Yuk. You can pretty much guess the entire story.

I’ve replaced Embrace with a placeholder. Turning the original into a vector was too difficult – or rather, it’s doable, but would take me more time than I think I can spare at the moment. If anyone else wants to have a go, though, you could download and install InkScape ( https://inkscape.org/ ). You’d then be able to open and edit the SVG.

Concerned father (Lance) posted a bitmap version on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/DanceLikeLance/status/1327242799268376576 &nbsp ;
He may have a vector version which is closer to the original. I haven’t signed up to Twitter so I wasn’t able to ask.

326533 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 8, #1345 of 1464 🔗

Alan McNally – Birmingham Uni Prof – He set up the Milton Keynes Lighthouse Lab.

He says this today 29/12/2020 – ‘Lockdown Now’ ….ignore Lateral Flow…..but this assertion is definitely not in the interests of me or my family…but it is good for Alan and China, if they can pull it off. They will both earn more money.

https://twitter.com/alanmcn1/status/1343980777311232005

…But who is Alan working for…UK or China?

Alan was associated with this
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/1/19-0154_article

We are grateful for Alan McNally for his proofreading and helpful suggestions.
The work was supported by grants from the National Natural Science Foundation of China (project no. 81772233, 81661130159 and 81861138055), West China Hospital of Sichuan University (1.3.5 project for disciplines of excellence, project no. ZYYC08006) and the Newton Advanced Fellowship, Royal Society, UK (NA150363).

And this….

https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/university/colleges/mds/news/2018/12/mcnally-superbug-amr.aspx

And this China-UK Microbial Partnership:

https://news.cgtn.com/news/3163444e34494464776c6d636a4e6e62684a4856/index.html

Just saying ….beware UK Intellectuals, like Alan! Alan makes money from PCR..not lateral flow….like his sidekick Jon Deeks. Yuk. China Pays for them. As evidenced above.

326587 ▶▶ dommo, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1346 of 1464 🔗

all roads lead to china…

326596 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to dommo, 1, #1347 of 1464 🔗

Seems like it.

326629 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1348 of 1464 🔗
326606 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to dommo, 2, #1349 of 1464 🔗

Certainly all roads are connected to China.

326543 Mark, replying to Mark, 23, #1350 of 1464 🔗

Chris Hopson
@ChrisCEOHopson

1/21 Parliament votes on the new tiered restctions on Tuesday. A lot of comment in today’s papers on what’s happening in the hospital sector. Important questions on NHS capacity, demand, preparedness, Nightingales etc. Thread below sets out NHS hospital trust perspective.

This thread (from the end of November), from an NHS insider and apologist, appears to set out the case for the defence from the NHS panickers. Basically the argument is that the numbers might not be particularly big, but the NHS is suffering because of the “complications caused by covid19”:

  • backlog from earlier shutdown of electives etc
  • capacity drop of 5-20% because of “infection control” splitting all hospital ops into +ve pcr, negative pcr and untested
  • inefficiencies caused by ppe and distancing requirements
  • staffing issues because of covid testing and self isolation nonsense

Covid cowards will claim this means that the NHS faces collapse because of covid19.

Rational folk will point out that if they just stop pretending covid is some deadly plague and treat it as just another winter respiratory, then they could drop all that efficiency destroying nonsense, and just have a normal winter crisis.

326620 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 2, #1351 of 1464 🔗

This is it. The problem is in the hospitals. Not in the streets. Not in our homes. Not in your businesses.

326556 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 4, #1352 of 1464 🔗

I’ve somehow got embroiled in a discussion among friends and they all think this is a once in a century pandemic.

Apparently Covid would have killed hundreds of thousands of British people back in 1918 and I’m the idiot for not appreciating that.

326563 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #1353 of 1464 🔗

Do they have any verifiable evidence for that? I understood it wasn’t possible to draw reliable conclusions as there just isn’t the data available from that time.

326568 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to PompeyJunglist, 4, #1354 of 1464 🔗

Two ways of looking at that.

1. Medical science has indeed advanced dramatically and can now keep many people alive who would have died in 1918.

2. What proportion of the population in 1918, compared with today, was either obese or diabetic and what proportion were aged 80 plus? I think the comparison figures would likely be in the 1000% differential range.

326602 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PompeyJunglist, 4, #1355 of 1464 🔗

My question to such people is usually to ask them to explain in that case why nowhere in the world has there been an all cause death toll per capita that’s particularly exceptional, on a scale of decades, let alone “once in a lifetime/century”, despite national responses ranging from brutally enforced, militarised lockdown to ignoring it and claiming it’s all a western plot?

326611 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PompeyJunglist, 7, #1356 of 1464 🔗

Once in a century for sure.

326662 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to PompeyJunglist, 5, #1357 of 1464 🔗

Tell them about the Hong Kong flu pandemic of the late 60s where the equivalent of 100k in today’s population terms died. Yet there were no masks, no distancing, and some pretty important things happened (the moon landing, Woodstock).

Also tell them about lockdown and mask-free Sweden where annual deaths are set to be bang on average, how would they explain that?

326703 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1358 of 1464 🔗

Usual excuses probably. Voluntary LD, different culture, population density, or just higher than Norway/Denmark/Finland.

326558 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 12, #1359 of 1464 🔗

It feels like the wind is blowing in two contrary directions right now.

On the one hand, it has never seemed clearer that people have lost faith in the Covid cult. Many people are muttering that if it’s that contagious we must all have had it by now. The narrative doesn’t add up and people see through it, including former believers. Just one example: woman behind the counter of a shop I frequent has been consistently narky with me since maskogeddon, and she seemed to think rudeness to a bare-face was her social duty. This evening, a really friendly conversation. It’s like the war is over.

At the same time, we know we are about to be plunged into Tier 77, in which we all get sodomised by Boris Johnson every day as a precondition of leaving the house, no exemptions.

How does this play out? The state is doubling down, but their true believers are apostasising (to mix metaphors horribly).

326571 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Ovis, 8, #1360 of 1464 🔗

Everywhere you go you see people living life as much as possible. Could be interesting to see what happens next. Will they bow down to tier 5 or whatever incentive name they come up with or will we see actual wide scale disobedience

326627 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Ricky1, 6, #1361 of 1464 🔗

Where are you seeing this? It certainly sounds more positive than what I see. Everyone walking past on the street is now muzzled. It is a fist-pump moment to see even a single other dissenter in the supermarket or on the train. City centre destroyed and abandoned. The cretins have started driving around by themselves muzzled up again. Trying to discuss the farce is being blanked out now at such a deep subconscious level that they seem to not even be able to hear you speak.

326641 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to TheBluePill, 8, #1362 of 1464 🔗

Yo! I was in Waitrose today. Me and two other people unmasked. The two others were, I would say in the age bracket of late 30yrs early 40yrs. People at the petrol station are now expressing openly being fed up with it all. One of them said they just wanted their life back, and he was a true believer at first. The tide is turning, hence the need for more draconian restrictions. The sceptical point of view is coming through.

326666 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Jo Dominich, #1363 of 1464 🔗

There must be some pretty big regional differences then, which is good news. I can tell you that in summer and autumn in the parts of the Midlands I have been to, there was an encouraging amount of disobedience, but in the last month since Tier 3 it has seemingly vaporised.

326661 ▶▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #1364 of 1464 🔗

Same in Truro, total compliance in the shops, more masking on street, and even entire masker families on the beach for crying out loud!

326580 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ovis, 8, #1365 of 1464 🔗

Maybe it’s a mix of both, they’re doubling down because belief is dwindling.

326586 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 5, #1366 of 1464 🔗

If this is the reality on the ground, then the resemblance with Warsaw Pact communism is growing. A majority of the people in those countries were fully aware of the propaganda, but it did not stop that system from lasting 45 years. It only finally collapsed when the economy stopped working altogether.

326648 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 4, #1367 of 1464 🔗

I think there’s a difference. Every country that fell to Soviet totalitarianism had either had hardly any liberal, democratic tradition beforehand (eg, Hungary) or had gone through a long period of turmoil and war (East Germany). Even the Nazis only came to power because Germany was on its knees after a decade of war and revolution, and they only lasted 12 years in power.

By contrast, countries that have come under the Covid Cult are packed with people for whom up until March, life was pretty good and cushy and they may well still remember that. The Covid Cult is doing its best to keep that illusion going but it won’t last forever and the people might be quite angry when it pops.

326659 ▶▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1368 of 1464 🔗

Yes – the economy was doing OK, employment was at its highest since the 70s, and swathes of people who would never usually vote Tory put their trust in Boris. It’s only 12 months ago.

326663 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1369 of 1464 🔗

Good point, the decades in the UK leading up to 2020 bear no resemblance at all to those in Eastern Europe up to 1945. My comparison was more in the here and now, given that there is a psychological sense of “Year Zero” to all this.

326582 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ovis, 11, #1370 of 1464 🔗

Great comment. For me, your that means..

they are losing.

Because they are so few, therefore their grip is only as strong as their hold on us.

If that is waning, then so is consent.

Which means:

either:

More coercion (doubling down),

or retreat.

…but more coercion means more loss of support…. and so on.

How many iterations do we have left?

326632 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to rockoman, 8, #1371 of 1464 🔗

I think that, seeing the MSM on extraordinary levels of overdrive today, I have a little notion that things are not rosey, not at all, in the Johnson cabal. The scientists and doctors have also been doing a mass overdrive today on broadcast media saying they need two weeks to catch up. I wonder, just wonder, whether Johnson might be really hesitant about another full lockdown not out of any concern about the citizens of this country or the country itself but rather, because in the first lockdown we lost 20% of our GDP, we are in a deep Depression now with a forecast by the OBR of 8m people on the Dole by mid to late Summer.

That’s not to say that he will wheel Wancock out tomorrow to announce the whole country is in Tier 4 but I think there is a tiny, miniscule, chance that he might be wavering with the information SAGE are giving him. Just a minor waver but maybe something’s got through to him, however small. Unlikely I know. But all is not well in the Cabal. That’s for sure.

326650 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #1372 of 1464 🔗

maybe the CRG and Sir Graham (with his little drawer of letters) are starting to turn the screw???

326682 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #1373 of 1464 🔗

Ffs how many times are we going to hear this,Johnson doesn’t really want to do it,He is the prime minister and the buck stops with him.If he is hesitant it is because he is wondering if he can get away with it again.This January lockdown has been planned for months.The media and sage have prepared the ground since before Christmas.The man is a traitor and a criminal

326608 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ovis, 2, #1374 of 1464 🔗

I think the Tier 77 crowd are ready for real social upheaval and pushback. They know its inevitable but why would that deter them?

326619 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Ovis, 7, #1375 of 1464 🔗

either way, it could lead to the curtain coming down on the shitshow – whether with a bang or a whimper!

personally i would prefer the end to be entirely peaceful and consensual, but still with unbelievably harsh penalties levied on all those responsible & collaborating

326562 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1376 of 1464 🔗

Extra! Extra! Brown bags have just been declared Racist.

326646 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to bebophaircut, #1377 of 1464 🔗

In the US a Professor on the east coast said the term “legal votes” is racist.

326569 dommo, replying to dommo, 8, #1378 of 1464 🔗

just floating this one from Sidney Powell:-

COVID was the cover for the fake-ballots

what do you reckon?

326578 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to dommo, 1, #1379 of 1464 🔗

Sure there was lots of fraud. But Trump let the postal ballots and electronic voting system go ahead knowing this would happen – the crisis seems manufactured to finish off America as we know it in 2021 – a controlled demolition.

326583 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Darryl, 4, #1380 of 1464 🔗

maybe a controlled demolition of the people that were behind the fraud? not long to wait now to find out…

326653 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to dommo, #1381 of 1464 🔗

We can only hope, but every day there is some promise of new evidence or court cases, everything has fallen flat. The real powers that rule America (CIA, FBI and Media) have clearly decided it’s time for regime change.

326665 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Darryl, 2, #1382 of 1464 🔗

you may be right – what’s even more scary than that is if (going back to the original point) COVID was the cover for regime change, virtually every nation in the world is complicit…because it’s now beyond obvious that all the restrictions imposed have not been “about a virus”

could be some interesting payback in the wind if DJT does pull it out of the hat at the last minute…

326673 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to dommo, #1383 of 1464 🔗

It is regime change but I suspect all sovereign nations will end up having to report to the World Economic Forum / UN. It’s a takeover by the globalists and America had to be destroyed to allow for it to happen.

326604 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Darryl, 8, #1384 of 1464 🔗

Don’t criticise what you don’t understand! Trump has no direct power over how the State legislatures run their Presidential elections. The constitution makes clear it is the State legislatures that run the show, not the President.

326615 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to OKUK, 4, #1385 of 1464 🔗

what ever trump needs to do he must do it, we are at a very scary moment in our history

326649 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to OKUK, 3, #1386 of 1464 🔗

Trump has had 4 years to get rid of useless corrupt deep state figures like William Barr and Fauci and let them stay in office – and now the country is paying the price. The Republican party has pretty much destroyed itself – it’s the end for them once Harris becomes President.

326667 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Darryl, 3, #1387 of 1464 🔗

I agree with you there, This has been Trump’s fatal flaw. He sees everything n life as about making good deals . He sincerely wants to make good deals for the American people. So he looks around for people who seem competent and who say the things he wants to hear. He can see what’s wrong but he doesnt look at things ideologically…so it seems like the Deep State are able to sucker
him time after time. Trump is the ultimate campaigner, he is a tireless worker, he knows what needs to be done – but he cannot view the world as a conflict of ideas only as people v people.

326595 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to dommo, 4, #1388 of 1464 🔗

Of course it was. Election observers had to stand six feet away from counters or behind perspex screens so they couldn’t hear what was being said. The number of election observers was also limited.

All sorts of exemptions from Covid regulations are allowed but this most important of activities – ensuring a fair count – was not made exempt. Totally deliberate.

326628 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to OKUK, 1, #1389 of 1464 🔗

There were also allegations that poll workers were outright partisan. Good thing that one was totally debunked as a ‘dangerous conspiracy theory’ right?!….oops! 🙂

326645 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #1390 of 1464 🔗

They had just the one thing to do – wear the “Vote” mask -but they went and wore the “Vote Biden – Kill Trump” mask! Duh!!

326643 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to dommo, #1391 of 1464 🔗

At least partly true, sure. Very early on when Congress were negotiating stimulus relief packages, the Democrats were packing it with all sorts of other stuff – such as ballot harvesting initiatives… essentially this meant that one person could send in multiple ballots, send in theirs & send in other people’s too, for other people in their own family (or not in their own family…). certainly it had little to do with actual protection from covid.

326576 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 17, #1392 of 1464 🔗

I am starting to despair again. The healthcare provider I work for has sent round the infection control edict again due to the rise in infections due to the new variation of SARS-CoV-2, so some of my colleagues are dressing up in apron, gloves, mask and visor. I had to ask one of the doctors a question, I took my mask off as I was sitting 3 metres away and I have no symptoms nor was I shouting; she politely asked me to put my mask on, which I did purely to avoid any conflict. None of my medical colleagues are questioning the narrative in any shape or form. The only person who has indicated that she won’t be having the vaccination is one of the receptionists. One of the paramedics has arranged for the vaccination this week.

326593 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to p02099003, 4, #1393 of 1464 🔗

Oh bugger – tomorrow is a new day. Days are getting longer. Don’t despair please 🙂

326605 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, 5, #1394 of 1464 🔗

It’s truly shocking to see the self censorship ongoing right now. The very moment a question is asked on any of it, they want to shut you down as a conspiracy nut. Especially if it’s a question raised in the work environment. The fear is palpable.

326609 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1395 of 1464 🔗

Each of us in our own way has to lead by example and ask our questions anyway, regardless of the fear or hostility of others. I’ve had a couple of instances at work where an entire conversation has shifted 180 degrees because of one sceptical comment I made. Very much the exception, not the rule, but it can happen.

326634 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 2, #1396 of 1464 🔗

One thing I’ve noticed is, you can’t assume any level of scepticism. I’ve said things to acquaintances like ‘of course it’s all going to get worse, the government’s just going to keep on tightening the restrictions’ and the reply has been something like ‘oh, yes you’re probably right, I’ve heard the cases are going up all the time so we probably do need a tighter lockdown’ or similar. We need to just plant a tiny seed of doubt.

326642 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1397 of 1464 🔗

I tailor my arguments for each recipient. Sometimes gentle, sometimes blunt, sometimes brutal. I have less friends than at the start of 2020, but that is unimportant.

326683 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Richard O, 2, #1398 of 1464 🔗

I’ll be your friend, but not a FB one, as each and everyday I call them brainwashed fuckwits!!

326617 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to p02099003, 6, #1399 of 1464 🔗

You see, the NHS staff are loving this new found ‘HERO’ status, they really believe it. They have no interest in questioning the narrative. Apart from people like you who are well informed and think things through, they don’t want to. When the Tory’s privatise the NHS in its entirety, they’ll regret it.

326680 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jo Dominich, #1400 of 1464 🔗

Apart from the thousands of nurses now dependent on food banks as all their overtime has gone.

326623 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to p02099003, 4, #1401 of 1464 🔗

I was debating with a doctor friend (probably former friend) online earlier who was making references to exponential growth and the risk of half the population dying. Absurd. It’s scary how out of touch with reality many seemingly intelligent people have become.

326631 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #1402 of 1464 🔗

Half?! These people don’t inhabit the real world any more.

326630 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to p02099003, 1, #1403 of 1464 🔗

Sorry to hear that. On a positive note in my local post office today I saw the postmaster walking around with no face nappy on; normally he is masked but today he wasn’t, with no sign of an exemption ticket either.

326640 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cranmer, #1404 of 1464 🔗

If behind a perspex screen, he doesn’t need one .

326652 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to arfurmo, #1405 of 1464 🔗

Yes, but he was wandering all over the shop in which the Post Office is located.

326678 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to p02099003, #1406 of 1464 🔗

No room for despair. Not a useful emotion.

March or Die.
Shoot the Stragglers.

The Legion knew how to get stuff done.

Feels like we are entering the next phase, my friends.

326600 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1407 of 1464 🔗

kinda hoped Farage would add a bit more mustard to the fight, hope he’s not been enticed by gates money and a ticket to the pigs enclosure

326636 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Major Panic, 11, #1408 of 1464 🔗

Tice has been doing some good work digging on PCR testing. But, yes, I think Farage isn’t really suited to this task. I am not sure his heart is in it really. He’s probably been too influenced by Trump who tried to use Covid ju-jitsu style to floor the opposition. It didn’t work for Trump. It would have been much better if Trump has closed the border, circled the wagons and said we Americans will get through this with courage and capability and we won’t lock down, adopt Chinese masks or lose our American identity, As soon as he identified this as a medical issue, he conceded whole battlegrounds to his political opponents.

326664 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to OKUK, 3, #1409 of 1464 🔗

Spot on.

326670 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1410 of 1464 🔗

Farage is just controlled opposition.He will only make an appearance to split any genuine threat to the establishment.

326674 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1411 of 1464 🔗

I agree.

Not voting you up as I see you’ve a downvote already.

Not that it matters too much.

🙂

326688 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bill H, 1, #1412 of 1464 🔗

I’m not bothered either.Farage is too busy plugging his financial business to give a shit about the country.Brexit is such a sideshow compared to what is happening now.

326697 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1413 of 1464 🔗

Sadly agree, I suspect he gets airtime to divide the public. It’s noticeable that he never really supports the anti lockdown movement / or criticises police brutality against us. Very much an establishment man out banging his pan for weeks on end early on, then they switched him back to the anti immigration narrative before going anti lockdown to fit their ‘right wing extremist’ narrative.

326676 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1414 of 1464 🔗

I now consider Farage as controlled opposition.

326614 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 17, #1415 of 1464 🔗

BIG PAPER in from Dr Ioannidis “ Conclusions Inferences on effects of NPIs are non-robust and highly sensitive to model specification. Claimed benefits of lockdown appear grossly exaggerated.” ABSOLUTELY SLAMS LOCKDOWNS: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.22.20160341v3

326616 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 18, #1416 of 1464 🔗

There was never enough staff to run the Nightingale hospitals. It was all just for show and to add to the fear messaging but more than that it was another theft from the public purse.

326621 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1417 of 1464 🔗

Agreed. But we are entitled to take them at their word, especially if that now makes life difficult for them!

326625 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #1418 of 1464 🔗

Yep: the last 9 months have seen a looting exercise that makes PFI seem like a shoplifting in comparison.

326638 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ossettian, 2, #1419 of 1464 🔗

Lots of money going offshore to UK tax free treasure islands to the politically well connected.

326668 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ossettian, 3, #1420 of 1464 🔗

Last days of Rome as the Government and their cronies loot the exchequer in anticipation of the collapse they have engineered.

326633 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1421 of 1464 🔗

A propaganda stunt to show the UK establishment can match China, all part of the early scam to get the country to worship the state’s NHS system to replace normal religion.

326624 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1422 of 1464 🔗

Sorry if this has been posted but https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/malpas-truro-pub-closure-covid-4839998 – how can they afford this ?

326657 ▶▶ leggy, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1423 of 1464 🔗

Virtue signalling > enterprise it seems.

326675 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1424 of 1464 🔗

Well no sympathy if they go under – we refuse to serve people from tier 3 or 4, we have never broken any rules.

326712 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1425 of 1464 🔗

Well they totally deserve to lose their business. Nasty sanctimonious virtue signallers…

326637 Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 21, #1426 of 1464 🔗

There was a report, filmed from a helicopter can you believe, on the 6p.m. news today (BBC, I think) on “overwhelmed hospitals”. The reporter said that ambulances were once again having to queue up to off load patients into A&E. I didn’t register where the hospital was. But what they showed as ‘evidence’ was, maybe twenty ambulances neatly parked in bays in the hospital car park, none coming or going anywhere. The only sign of activity was a tea trolley alongside one of the ambulances with paramedics getting refreshments.

According to the reporter we were seeing “all the ambulances queuing up to await their turn to offload their patients and the trolley was delivering refreshments for the patients stuck on board”. What I was seeing was twenty unused ambulances in a car park with a handful of crew from one ambulance whiling away time with refreshments as they had nothing else to do. It would have been laughable if it wasn’t such appalling false propaganda.

326654 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dodderydude, 5, #1427 of 1464 🔗

No one believes mainstream media any more…sensible people use trial and error to find sources they can trust.

326656 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Dodderydude, 8, #1428 of 1464 🔗

This whole NHS business is crying out for a truly independent body to investigate review and report on what is going on. As it is we get data and news reports on the NHS supplied by the NHS, hardly an objective view. We pay the NHS shed-loads of money, if they are overwhelmed we should be balling them out for not doing the job we paid them to do, it should not be them balling us out for getting sick.

326669 ▶▶ danny, replying to Dodderydude, 12, #1429 of 1464 🔗

Well according to a nurse friend of mine who recently had to cover a shift in A&E, the only reason that yes, ambulances are queuing up is because they have decided to only allow a handful of patients in the building, due to distancing.
As a result, the hospitals are empty, and emergency patients are being treated in the street.

326695 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to danny, 4, #1430 of 1464 🔗

Yes. Apparently this is pretty much what is causing the problems. I’ve just been sent some details by a very reliable source.

326700 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mayo, 1, #1431 of 1464 🔗

I’ve just been sent some details by a very reliable source.

Your mate ketchup?

326708 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to danny, 2, #1432 of 1464 🔗

So like a nightclub making people queue outside to make it look busier than it is.

326639 Brett_McS, 6, #1433 of 1464 🔗

Massive corruption in the procurement of PPE. Who would have thought it?

https://fee.org/articles/new-expos%C3%A9-shows-uk-s-covid-response-was-rife-with-corruption-and-cronyism/

326655 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1434 of 1464 🔗

Just watched The Papers on the BBC News Channel. We had lockdown fanatic Mihir Bose and arch lockdown sceptic Ros Altmann as the reviewers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihir_Bose

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ros_Altmann

Worth a look on iPlayer. They didn’t so much review the papers as give alternative views on lockdown and the ‘rona. An interesting, if at times tedious, debate. There was no real winner, and the presenter sounded like a lockdown zealot. Altmann’s views were spot on, but she struggled at times to make the point.

326699 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, #1435 of 1464 🔗

Are you sure Ros A. is a sceptic? I’ve never got that impression before. She seems concerned about the treatment of people care homes. That’s all I’ve noted before now.

326660 Hester, 6, #1436 of 1464 🔗

The first Revolution is when you change your mind about how you look at things,and see there may be another way to look at it that you have not been shown,
You will not be able to stay at home brother,The revolution will not be televised, it will be bought to you.

Gil Scott Heron

326671 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 8, #1437 of 1464 🔗

right, jobs fucked, time to start killing people, i’ll take wancock

326726 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Major Panic, #1438 of 1464 🔗

How long does petrol keep for in a milk bottle. Askin for a friend….

326672 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 17, #1439 of 1464 🔗

Just noted MPs applauding themselves for challenging the government on reducing the ring fence 0.7%of GDP on foreign aid as 100,000 children could suffer from diseases such as pneumonia if this is reduced. FFS, what planet are they on, a year of lockdowns and no end in sight, there must be over 100,000 children in our own country suffering heightened levels of abuse, lack of medical, social care, yet alone the million child deaths expected in poorer countries as a result from this self indulgence of fear from an average respiratory virus in the west. These people are so detached from the real world that in a psychiatric setting they would be declared delusional.

326691 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Hattie, 1, #1440 of 1464 🔗

Totally agree! Delusional is a good description .

326679 swedenborg, 2, #1441 of 1464 🔗

Another new article from ProfFenton Queen Mary Univ London discussing another aspect of testing. Confirmatory testing

 https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2020/12/on-false-positives-in-covid19-testing.html

On false positives in COVID19 testing again: we are being misled over confirmatory testing

326686 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 3, #1442 of 1464 🔗

This is why the lockdown fanatics should be careful. The Guardian (UK establishment mouthpiece) is suggesting lockdowns as a way to help ‘save the planet’ based on the man made climate change scam (man made pollution is a separate/real and serious issue).

If people are too thick to see there are other agendas going on (which they are by unquestionably supporting lockdown) they will get everything they deserve.

Could Covid lockdown have helped save the planet?
Slowdown of human activity was too short to reverse years of destruction, but we saw a glimpse of post-fossil fuel world
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/could-covid-lockdown-have-helped-save-the-planet

326707 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Darryl, 2, #1443 of 1464 🔗

The majority of people have shown they are willing to accept anything and everything forced upon them.

There’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t accept at least the same level of humiliation for other things or at least maneouvred into doing so again.

326709 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Darryl, #1444 of 1464 🔗

For those with eyes to see, this is the obvious course of events.

326713 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Darryl, #1445 of 1464 🔗

Good sound comment Darryl. Good to point this out early tomorrow so more eyes see it.

Blair et als WEF agenda with Schwabteaming uo with UN sustainability goals by formal agreement in June 2019 is all about this. The guardian is their trumpet as is long and widely realised.

Yes it is understood schwab is a cretin frontman same as hancock is to uks take over. The agenda and direction comes from levels above in both cases.

326687 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 11, #1446 of 1464 🔗

Literally Not From America:

If you rely on the BBC and the mainstream media you might be thinking “Ooh – it’s gone very quiet over in the US…they must have sorted out that election muddle and everyone is agreed now that Biden is going to be the President like that nice Jon Sopel said all along on the BBC. ”

No. That’s not my reading. I think the USA is headed for a massive constitutional crisis whatever happens.

As the days go by just more and more election fraud and malfeasmvance is being uncovered,

Trump has called for a huge rally of his supporters in DC on 6 Jan when Congress is supposed to count the votes, But if Pence rules the electoral votes from the fraud states to be inadmissible then that won’t go ahead. We may then be into a contingent election where the state delegations (not individual Congress members) vote for President which would likely result in a Truml vI Tory.

However you look at this, American democracy is in complete crisis – but BBC, Sky and ITV are not reporting on it! Absolutely incredible censorship!!

Meanwhile…it is reported that one of the law firms involved in suing Sidney Powell (a key figure in exposing the election fraud, now being subjected to lawfare on multiple levels) is our old mate Bill Gates. There is no distinction between medicine and politics in this brutal war.

326736 ▶▶ Fred, replying to OKUK, #1447 of 1464 🔗

Great update, thanks.

326689 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, #1448 of 1464 🔗

Anybody else who watches Sky News notice that it’s mainly the lesser known presenters on these days?

Is something going on at Sky or are most of the main faces on holiday, not including the Kay Burley gaggle or course?

326693 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nobody2020, #1449 of 1464 🔗

Radio and TV station high profile presenters usually take time off at Christmas. The bad old faces will soon return to Sky ‘News’.

326730 ▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Darryl, #1450 of 1464 🔗

I always get this sense that Beth Rigby probably eats quite a lot. With her hands.

326698 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 15, #1451 of 1464 🔗

What gets me the most about all this is the uncertainty of never knowing from one day to the next what new horrors the Government have in store for us and fearing the pleasures I still have like church will be snatched away again. It is psychological abuse of the entire population.

326716 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #1452 of 1464 🔗

Yes it is. As Amnesty International defined torture of POWs 50 yeara ago that criteria is met by our government and armed forces actions against the population.
See bitchute amazing polly video 6 months ago that goes bit by bit through the definition.

326725 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Basics, #1453 of 1464 🔗

All true but I just want to go to the fuckin pub.

326717 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #1454 of 1464 🔗

This is so very true. The constant sequestration of hope, the ability to plan future events; having things to look forward to is part of our humanity. This has been taken from us. And it is utterly soul destroying.

You know as soon as you open the news media there will be some hitherto unknown NHS apparatchik shroud waving and lobbying for ever harsher restrictions. This will be picked up by the lockdown fanatics like Piers Morgan. Then, as surely as night follows day, Hancock or Johnson, with Dr Doom and the Spectre of Christmas yet to come will be at the lectern announcing-with a heavy heart-a further assault on liberty and livelihoods.

If I never again hear from another bureaucrat from the bowels of the NHS demanding that we put our lives on hold to protect their fragile operation, it will be too soon.

326732 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Al T, 6, #1455 of 1464 🔗

I agree — the inability to plan for the future, by which I mean even next week, is anti-human and a form of torture. If this mask crap keeps up I may never be able to fly anywhere ever again. Travel has always fed my soul and it’s crushing to think I many not be able to plan a trip ever again. I can’t even plan a trip to the grocery store as I refuse to wear a mask. Life has become very limited, but I still have a lot to be thankful for. I’m more angry for my kids and all young people who are getting shafted and having to put their futures on hold.

326702 Cheshirecatslave, 1, #1456 of 1464 🔗

I was chatting today to a friend who works in a are home. She said she now has to have two covid tests a week instead of one. She also told me the policy had just changed that if anyone tests positive despite feeling well they have to isolate whereas before they were offered a second test. If they are doing that for NHS staff, no wonder they are having problems. I did glance at a Guardian article claiming that tabloids were lying that the numbers were usual for winter and the covid patients in the ICU were previously healthy 60-year-olds. Are there official stats for ages of patients? I seem to recall seeing some.

326704 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 18, #1457 of 1464 🔗

Just watched 1984 again. Wow haven’t watched it in years, but now with the narrative of Covid restrictions, there wasn’t a single word out of place with what is happening today. History is indeed being rewritten.

During the film it dawned on me what the solution was, and that was to start living our lives like it was 1984 again. No I don’t mean get a big perm or large shoulder pads. Ditch the internet, our smart phones, start doing real life things again that doesn’t involve technology, for that very technology we give so much value to in our lives today will take all our freedoms away..

Everything is starting to make sense, they are taking away all forms of non technical life, family meetings, pubs, restaurants, holidays, chatting by the water fountain in the office, shopping in the high street. Everything is being replaced on-line.

I know we’ve come too far for that, especially as I’m only telling you this over the internet, but there are some easy wins..

  1. When you go out, do you really need your smart phone with you all the time.
  2. Use cash, I repeat use cash. The other day I walked out of a shop that said card only, I left the shopping at the till and walked out. Yes I have a credit card but the fact they insisted card only really got me riled.
  3. If you don’t already have a smart meter, then don’t get one. It will not save you a penny and is just used for data collection and ultimately control of your energy use.
  4. Don’t remain signed in to any account on your phone or computer, Facebook, twitter, google, Hotmail etc.. Everything you do is always being tracked and recorded. PS I know google listens to every word you speak in the room. Try it, talk about something, then on your phone google what you talked about, it will complete your search long before you’ve types just a few letters of what you’ve just talked about.
  5. Stop liking things on social media accounts, what do you gain from that, nothing!
  6. Use CCleaner on your laptop everyday to remove spyware and cookies.
326710 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1458 of 1464 🔗

Lol,CCleaner doesn’t do that!

Best thing is, first opportunity you get, vote for populists opposed to lockdowns and masks.

326715 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1459 of 1464 🔗

It is a special thing to go through the story of 1984 during these times. A special experience.

Was contemplating earlier about the younger generation at school now. Some will become investiators of science and of history. How will the lies we see around us be maintained in front of those fresh prying eyes? How will our truth be kept from them?

326718 Jesus, replying to Jesus, #1460 of 1464 🔗

Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Checka, checka, check it out
They load the clip in omnicolor
Said they pack the nine, they fire it at prime time
Sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And mutha fuckas lost their minds
No escape from the mass mind rape
Play it again jack and then rewind the tape
And then play it again and again and again
Until ya mind is locked in
Believin’ all the lies that they’re tellin’ ya
Buyin’ all the products that they’re sellin’ ya
They say jump and ya say how high
Ya brain-dead
Ya gotta fuckin’ bullet in ya head

326729 ▶▶ Fred, replying to Jesus, 1, #1461 of 1464 🔗

Yes, thank you, thank you, Jesus. It’s not quite what the parents were expecting, and some of the younger children from Year 1 are a little upset…

326719 Basics, 3, #1462 of 1464 🔗

Lovely article by Mike Robinson of UK Column. Fact checking the Fact Checkers over Covid Passport fack checking.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/immunity-passports-desperation-fact-checkers

326727 Fred, replying to Fred, 1, #1463 of 1464 🔗

I do love Big Sam. What I mean, of course, is that I don’t. But I did wonder when managers at the bottom of the Prem would start using lockdown zealotry as a rhetorical chance for them to get a bit more time on the training ground with their failing players. But Big Sam’s gone early. Who will follow? Sam Allardyce: West Brom boss calls for football ‘circuit break. ‘ (BBC Sport)

326728 ▶▶ Fred, replying to Fred, 4, #1464 of 1464 🔗

“Everyone’s [premiership] safety is more important than anything else [particularly whilst we’re in the bottom three]” he added after West Brom’s 5-0 home defeat by Leeds on Tuesday. You watch, if they go on a run of 10 games undefeated and end up mathematically safe from relegation, he’ll be inviting Toby Young to give half-time team talks, before slagging off ‘bedwetters’ during his postmatch press conference