Last updated2020-12-30T14:48:38



326744 Fred, replying to Fred, 85, #1 of 1459 🔗

Anyone else here to try and wrench their minds away from sweet, recurring thoughts of what you’d get up to if you had five minutes alone in a room with Neil Ferguson? He’s at it again today, quacking out the fear… an ‘infectious disease expert,’ apparently, or at least, according to the bbc… https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55475240 . The man is impossible. God, even two minutes would do it…

326745 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Fred, 37, #2 of 1459 🔗

I actually read some of this on “teletext”.

Can’t their NHS protect itself? For example by ending mass pcr testing of healthy staff. And acting in ways that those of us not in the public sector would take for granted.

326746 ▶▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Hugh, 26, #3 of 1459 🔗

Want to return to Normal? PCR vs Rapid Antigen Animation
Ivor Cummins
163K subscribers
Short and sweet, please share – and start asking questions, before they destroy your society!

326749 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Stephen Priest, 11, #4 of 1459 🔗

Already destroyed. Too late to ask questions. Something better will emerge somewhere after the war.

326751 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Stephen Priest, 5, #5 of 1459 🔗

Sounds much better than pcr. Does Matt Hancock know? (And if not, why not?)

And do we all have to take RAA now?

327090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh, 9, #6 of 1459 🔗

Of course he knows, but it wouldn’t fit in with the globalist agenda the government is always pushing.

327927 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Hugh, 2, #7 of 1459 🔗

We have to remember that he’s a useful idiot. He has no scientific or medical qualification or experience, or a job in the Real World. He spouts as if it’s all originating from his personal wisdom.

He’s got a PPE though.

326757 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stephen Priest, 8, #8 of 1459 🔗

Excellent, I don’t do social media but even a screenshot from towards the end could come in handy.
£10.00 RAA test, result in 20 mins against £150.00 3 days, no brainer (like hancock).

326837 ▶▶▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to karenovirus, 7, #9 of 1459 🔗

I’m beginning to wonder if the PCR testing regime is just being set up to create a massive amount of state dependent jobs, presumably to employ some of the huge number soon to be unemployed. Over 300 posts on this council eventually:

327095 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Van Allen, 16, #10 of 1459 🔗

The wholly inappropriate PCR testing regime was set up to create enough fear so as to push the public towards accepting a dangerous and unnecessary vaccine.

327930 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Rowan, 2, #11 of 1459 🔗

That’s why anything to do with information on the effectiveness of Vitamin D has been suppressed.


326900 ▶▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Stephen Priest, 4, #12 of 1459 🔗

I just mentioned the RA test to my step- daughter, who works in the elder care industry and has a swab pushed into her brain on a weekly basis.

327047 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Stephen Priest, 1, #13 of 1459 🔗

Is the Rapid Antigen the same as the Lateral flow test?

328165 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Stephen Priest, 1, #14 of 1459 🔗

Fantastic – if only this tyranny had something to do with a virus, we’d surely persuade our ‘incompetent’ psychological captors to free us if we use the RAA!

327159 ▶▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Hugh, 1, #15 of 1459 🔗

Ivermectin and COVID-19
Christy Risinger, MD

326756 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fred, 36, #16 of 1459 🔗

Could not find much from ferguson in that link except where he says
“The variant had undoubtedly made the situation more difficult and given the government less wriggle room . . .to keep some semblance of reality”

Immediately above someone else

‘preliminary research suggests the new variant virus is no more harmful in terms of causing hospitalizations and deaths’.

I would place him in a cold room at an undersized desk and tell him to write in long longhand a ten thousand word essay explaining why he is always wrong by a factor of ten.

Then I would send him to the High Court.

326932 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to karenovirus, 5, #17 of 1459 🔗

You really want him to write 100,000 words?

327097 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 12, #18 of 1459 🔗

No, just hang the bastard.

326760 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fred, 33, #19 of 1459 🔗

It is indeed hard to wrench one’s mind away, especially when one is reluctant to try.
Oh, to see the smirk wiped off that odious face, strong sceptic hands twisting that scrawny neck…
Bad Annie. Naughty, naughty Annie.

326765 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Annie, 11, #20 of 1459 🔗

Not nearly enough Annie! Old chicken giblets requires more than a mere strangulation! You forgot to disembowel, and also you should tell him you’re going to delete his name from the history books and the science journals and universities will pay reparations for his misdeeds

326804 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Skippy, 1, #21 of 1459 🔗

Damnatio memoriae.

326838 ▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Skippy, 12, #22 of 1459 🔗

I did consider Crucifixion. But then i realised with Easter coming up the feker might rise again!

327500 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Burlington, 1, #23 of 1459 🔗

Nailed upside down to a church door might do it

327987 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to chris c, #24 of 1459 🔗

Skin nailed to a church door.
It’s been done before.

326780 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 17, #25 of 1459 🔗

Yes, his face is indeed ‘odious’. I’ve said it many times before, but there is something very ‘wrong’ about him.

327100 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to TJN, 5, #26 of 1459 🔗

Bill Gates likes him, is that not enough?

326843 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Annie, 14, #27 of 1459 🔗

I watched an interview of him at the start of this fiasco where he sort of admitted he was “wedded” to the outcome of his model. In other words tweak the parameters to get the result you want. There is something unnerving about him and prefer to avoid watching his interviews.

327099 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, #28 of 1459 🔗

Good Annie.

326781 ▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Fred, 28, #29 of 1459 🔗

And the man doesnt even have an O level in Biology!! He is purely a mathematical modeler. So much influence getting so many things wrong over the years, yet the Gov continue to employ him. Shocking.

326809 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Thomasina, 4, #30 of 1459 🔗

Not even a one year degree qualification in Public Health, not that that is at all helpful.
Should be called Public Health Studies.

327422 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 4, #31 of 1459 🔗

One full year at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg (Michael) School of Public Health, memorizing a handpicked series of books on medicine and health will give you a Masters Degree of Public Health. They crank them out like that sausage making scene in The Wall. A very effective Scam.
Go to their website and check their book reading list. If you have time, investigate who wrote these books and who sponsored them (Bloomberg, Gates, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation).

327390 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Thomasina, 2, #32 of 1459 🔗

He’s their Ace Fearmonger. Irreplaceable.

327944 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Thomasina, 1, #33 of 1459 🔗

A tad more qualified than Madge H, who is the Health Secretary yet has no scientific or medical experience or qualification whatsoever. What a pair of strange-looking, empty-eyed thralls.

326792 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Fred, 7, #34 of 1459 🔗

Unlike the HOP and the PM Imperial College and Wife-fucker Ferguson has virtually no security.. just saying…

326868 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Fred, 12, #35 of 1459 🔗

Forgive me for harbouring such dark thoughts, but it would amuse me no end if his exotic private life led to Prof Lockdown presenting himself at hospital with an infection entirely unconnected with Covid-19.

327040 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Sceptical Steve, 13, #36 of 1459 🔗

Ah Clap for Mr Ferguson…..

326972 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fred, 4, #37 of 1459 🔗

I honestly dont think I would be able to control myself with him and I am a peaceful man!

326980 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Fred, 5, #38 of 1459 🔗

I would send him to Xinjiang ( home of the Uyghur) to experience technocracy at it’s fullest.

327424 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to stewart, 2, #39 of 1459 🔗

The bat cave near Wuhan.

328190 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo Emilian, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #40 of 1459 🔗

Oh yeah go and meet Bat Lady herself who I hear knows Bill Gates personally!!

327060 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Fred, 4, #41 of 1459 🔗

I think you are too tired in with British Death. Hung, drawn etc. Who cares you were dead after the hanging. I can see good ideas from the confession methods, like thumbscrews the rack, anybody who has seen our mate Guy Fawkes signature before and after will see the effectiveness of that. Prof pantsdown demise should be slow and painful, death of a thousand cuts, growing bamboo through you seems a bit more lingering. How the fuck is he an infectious disease expert? And again why is he not challenged on anything he says?

327075 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Fred, 2, #42 of 1459 🔗

Well, whatever is done to Ferguson, it must mean he gets to live a long and despairing life with the consequences of an irreparable maiming.

A paring knife to take his eyes. A rusty snare to take his tackle. Secateurs to take his tongue.

Be sure to have someone from ‘our NHS’ on hand to make sure he doesn’t make his escape into death’s sanctimonious embrace.

In the event that he does, in fact, die from his maiming be sure to have a fully charged mobile to hand, so you can record a TikTok of yourself dancing on his foetid carcass, to the tune of Happy by Pharell Williams.

327347 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Fred, 1, #43 of 1459 🔗

And 5 minutes with Tomas Pueyo and his godawful Hammer and Dance article that was based on Ferguson’s models.

327516 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Fred, 1, #44 of 1459 🔗

He knows nowt about infectious disease – he is a statistician with a poor grasp of both probability theory and computer programming. And also a steaming hypocrite. Good company for Our Leader in the last.

327882 ▶▶ Novidnineteen, replying to Fred, #45 of 1459 🔗

With apologies to the Rt Hon. Alan B’Stard

“How was it for you?”


328159 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Fred, 2, #46 of 1459 🔗

I factored Neil Ferguson into my last email to my local MP, Ian Levy. He never responded to this one, so I’m assuming he either has no answers or can’t be bothered to respond:

Mr Levy, following the devastating and completely predictable U-turn made by your party’s government to effectively prevent people from celebrating Christmas and New Year together, I must again write to you and express my anger.

The public have been routinely lied to, deliberately terrified into obedience and pushed from pillar-to-post with constant snap-changes to ‘rules.’ This has been a cruel game of cat and mouse with no end in sight.

Correct me if I’m wrong; you have voted in favour of this at every opportunity.

Why is Neil Ferguson still advising the government? To quote your colleagues over on the Time for Recovery group: ‘His vastly inflated projections were central to billions being wasted on useless vaccines after the H1N1 virus emerged. He forecast up to 200 million deaths from Bird Flu. There were less than 300. He predicted that 50,000 people would die from BSE. The figure was 177. His ‘severely flawed’ modelling over foot and mouth disease in 2001 led to the slaughter of over 6 million healthy animals.’

This is also the man who flouted his own despicable rules before it was announced he had stepped down as adviser. However, it turns out he has continued advising from a different department, and his team is responsible for the new scare-stories used to shut down Christmas.

Please answer these further questions posed by your colleagues on the Time for Recovery group:

-Do you believe that the Government should have carried out assessments to check whether the damage done by the latest measures is worse than Covid-19?

-Have you seen the latest official figures for excess deaths in the UK, which show clearly that most excess deaths are in the home from non-Covid causes?

-We can see in Wales and around the UK that even the toughest restrictions appear to have little impact on the spread of Covid-19, as many experts predicted. What is the point of continuing hugely damaging restrictions that simply don’t work?

326747 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 145, #47 of 1459 🔗

I’m fed up of hearing the NHS moaning

I’m fed up of getting locked up and losing every normal aspect of my life because the NHS doesn’t function properly

How many staff do they have? What is their budget? Yet it’s never enough, and it never will be enough

This year vast swathes of the NHS has closed down freeing up huge resources, yet they still say they can’t cope

If every person in the land became an NHS employee it still wouldn’t perform

Enough is enough

326752 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Cecil B, 48, #48 of 1459 🔗

The main problem with the NHS is that it is top-heavy with managers. Just take a look at the hospital car parks at the weekend compared to during the week. I think that it speaks for itself.

326768 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Judy Watson, 23, #49 of 1459 🔗

Same with public and private companies throughout the land.
This started many, many years ago when practical experience was ditched in favour of theoretical qualifications.
The amount of people with years of practical knowledge who were sidelined in favour of graduates resulted in the former to leave or take early retirement.
I’ve said it time and time again: BULLS××T BAFFLES BRAINS.
The events of the last 9 months prove that point

326775 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip, 40, #50 of 1459 🔗

Exactly. That’s why I left my job in the City nearly 20 years ago. Many of us, who had gone into banking straight from school and had many years of experience, were loyal to our employer, worked many hours of unpaid overtime were jettisoned for new, shiny, inexperienced graduates who we were expected to train. Many of them had a poor grasp of even basic skills.

Amusing thing was, when many of them realised it was hard graft, they either left or decided to start families and take advantage of generous maternity benefits.

326786 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 10, #51 of 1459 🔗

That’s a very common problem now infecting workplaces. Feminists like to bleat about glass ceilings where women are held back from certain positions but there’s another glass ceiling they fail to mention – the tyranny of paper qualifications. It’s fairly bad in heritage where its hard to progress or even move on if you don’t have an art history or museum studies degree. Yet they’re so many unemployed art history and museum studies graduates. Why is that?

326796 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #52 of 1459 🔗

Indeed, as far as I was concerned, their qualifications counted for nothing. They didn’t have the experience to do the job properly. I was particularly pissed off that one person expected me to still be explaining to her how one client’s account worked, nearly two years after I had handed it over to her (and despite providing detailed notes).

The other problem, especially in banking, was outsourcing. Originally, everything we did was done in-house so you had personal responsibility for clients’ accounts being dealt with properly. As soon as certain aspects were outsourced, we found ourselves having to apologise to clients for the myriad errors being made by people who couldn’t give a damn and who weren’t subject to scrutiny by the clients themselves. I raised it with the director in overall charge but he wasn’t bothered either. So I told the client because I wasn’t going to be part of it anymore.

326818 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 11, #53 of 1459 🔗

I have a colleague who also used to be in banking and some of his experiences tallied with yours above.

He’s always said that working your way up was invaluable for a bank because the employee would get to know all the procedures, processes and protocols from the bottom up. Hence why you wouldn’t get the problems you have now then because someone would know where the problem was. Now people wouldn’t have the awareness of someone below them or in another department was doing because they had no exposure of what was done there.

326827 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #54 of 1459 🔗

Exactly. And you developed a relationship with the client. With every process outsourced, the continuity of service was fragmented. A small problem took days rather than minutes to resolve.

It really annoys me when people gloated at those walking out of City offices with their possessions in cardboard boxes after the 2008 crash. Those weren’t the people responsible for the crash – they were the collateral damage (the ones sat at their desk until god knows what time while their bosses buggered off to the golf course). The real culprits were creeping out of the back door into chaffeur-driven cars, hotfooting it to their country piles.

326862 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 5, #55 of 1459 🔗

Exactly and we see that now even with basic banking where the call centres can sometimes make things worse.

And the gloating over the bankers losing their jobs in 2008 was repugnant. I’ve always had a more nuanced view of banking as I saw first hand how if its done properly can be of mutual benefit. However what you’ve described has gone in the way of the Dodo and that’s why we’re in this mess.

326788 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, 4, #56 of 1459 🔗

Thank you kh, I always appreciate your informative comments.

326852 ▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Fingerache Philip, 16, #57 of 1459 🔗

The same thing has happened with the police recruiting direct entry graduates. Once upon a time a copper had to do the time and earn his stripes. That was when you could ask a copper for directions without legal representation. Now it just proves that one out of three coppers is just as stupid as the other two!

327510 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #58 of 1459 🔗

Yes I saw that in spades in industry. Clueless fuckwits with “qualifications” replacing the knowledgeable. As a colleague said of one of the, “he gives good meeting”. They crash a company and just move on to the next one. Now there are hardly any businesses left they end up in the NHS.

327511 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #59 of 1459 🔗

The cult of the professional manager who knows nowt about what he/she/it is managing. They are sadly a curse in private industry too.

326755 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 48, #60 of 1459 🔗

Even without the current bollox – nectar and ambrosia to feed the NHS monster – it would still have been unable to cope. It’s chronically unable to cope, and with a fast-growing, ageing population it will always be unable to cope. This is because health ‘needs’ are infinite, snd resources are finite. You can print money (or so Fishyrishi thinks), but you can’t print beds, or doctors, or nurses.
I curse the monster that, in the name if preserving life, has sucked the meaning out of living.

326787 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 25, #61 of 1459 🔗

Francis Fukuyama has made an interesting observation that while humanity has succeeded in extending the lifespan (quantity), it hasn’t figured out how to extend the quality of life. Hence why we have so much problems with provision of care for old people especially when they become frail or develop conditions such as dementia or Alzheimer’s

And well said, in the name of preserving life, this has sucked the meaning out of living. The insane policies that this government have enacted with regards this virus has shown that they don’t care about the quality of life but its about the quantity at all costs.

326822 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 22, #62 of 1459 🔗

I’ve had this conversation with a few medics over the years. Most agree that they should stop pointlessly keep extending life but concentrate on quality .
They make it clear that to express this view publicly would not help their careers.

326865 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 6, #63 of 1459 🔗

That’s sad and unfortunately their silence is part of the reason why we’re having these issues.

327027 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 12, #64 of 1459 🔗

The business of extending life to keep care homes in business is disgusting. My Mum was a hollow shell who had no idea who I was because of dementia and was just kept alive by all the pills they poured into her daily. Took all her savings to pay for it, and would have taken the value of her house too if she hadn’t succumbed to having to go to hospital where they missed her treatments and she passed away.

327166 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #65 of 1459 🔗

Absolutely. This is an issue that must be faced, including the financial interests of pharma/others in promoting this system. A couple of MPs (cross-party) did raise the matter in summer.

327116 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #66 of 1459 🔗

A husk of a man pays as much tax as a fully realised man.

327123 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #67 of 1459 🔗

The government isn’t remotely interested in extending anyone’s life, except its own. Everything it has done, in the name of granny, has been to push the country towards Klaus Schwab’s Great Reset world, which paradoxically will have no place for nearly all of us. The Covid-19 event is about a massive population reduction. The unnecessary Covid vaccines are the means by which the depopulation will be brought about.

327156 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Rowan, 4, #68 of 1459 🔗

I think that both you and Bart S are correct. This is a good example of where two ways of looking at something can be both right: one at the societal level (Bart S) and one at the level where various interests are taking advantage of this situation in society.

So, I disagree that gov’t doesn’t care about extending lives, but that does not mean that the situation that has arisen (or been created/manipulated) is not being ruthlessly exploited by the diabolical Great Reset people.

328153 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 3, #69 of 1459 🔗

There’s no evidence that the UK government cares about elderly people including the 40,000 it ruthlessly culled in care homes, last spring. Lockdowns are unscientific blunt instruments and do far more harm than good and while we’re aware of this, the government clearly can’t grasp this blindingly obvious fact. Johnson’s government is in the pockets of Bill Gates and his pal Klaus Schwab, who both want us dead.

327427 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Rowan, 4, #70 of 1459 🔗

Government sponsored murder.

328154 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #71 of 1459 🔗

That sums it up briefly, but correctly.

326857 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Annie, 5, #72 of 1459 🔗

Yet they still don’t seem to understand why so many deaths occurred in care homes during the early part of this year.

328155 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Burlington, 1, #73 of 1459 🔗


326758 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 9, #74 of 1459 🔗

Local Live are reporting 10% staff shortages at my main regional hospital but they had previously said 1,100 individuals were off for Covid and none Covid reasons.
It seems unlikely that one hospital employs 11,000 people.

326881 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to karenovirus, 4, #75 of 1459 🔗

You may be surprised. I just checked on my local hospital trust (Mid-Yorkshire) and they emply 8,000 staff, so a figure of 11,000 doesn’t seem so far-fetched.

326978 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to karenovirus, 3, #76 of 1459 🔗

Well the NHS employs well over a million people. One of the biggest employers in Europe I believe. Not sure how many hospitals there are, but those numbers seem reasonable to me…

327045 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ken Gardner, 2, #77 of 1459 🔗

That’s 10% of the population in my city !

327354 ▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Ken Gardner, 1, #78 of 1459 🔗

Based on 2015 stats, the NHS is the fifth largest employer of people on planet earth. THE FIFTH. LARGEST. ON. PLANET. EARTH.

The others in the top ten are either multi-billion dollar earning multinationals, or a slew of Chinese and Indian state-owned concerns.

In 2099, when 12 out of 10 UK citizens works for the NHS, and the GDP of 90% of the worlds nations is spent on it… it will still be considered underfunded and struggling.

327283 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 4, #79 of 1459 🔗

People as opposed to doctors and nurses. Many of that number will be admin.

326771 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cecil B, 35, #80 of 1459 🔗

It is the government’s own policies which have caused the problem. The use of PCR tests and the rules on self-isolation for non-symptomatic ‘cases’ have made staff shortages inevitable.

327430 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bugle, 4, #81 of 1459 🔗

In the U.S.A., People’s Rights.org held severaly community gatherings during the summer, with barbecues and mask burning .

328157 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bugle, 1, #82 of 1459 🔗

The staff shortages are also intentional.

326854 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Cecil B, 3, #83 of 1459 🔗

I can’t make my mind up whether Matt Hancock is responding to this letter from January 2020 by trying to solve the problem (by reducing patient using the services) or by giving the NHS leaders enough rope to hang themselves: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/matt-hancock-nhs-funding-hospitals-accident-emergency-targets-a9309956.html

328158 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Van Allen, 1, #84 of 1459 🔗

Probably both.

326983 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cecil B, 18, #85 of 1459 🔗

Simon Dolan has put out a fantastic tweet responding to complaints that the NHS is short staffed. He points out that the NHS is the world’s 4th biggest employer with 1.3m employees and asks – how many people do they need?

327052 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to stewart, 4, #86 of 1459 🔗

I don’t think they will ever have enough resources, if they had too many staff they would just expand their remit or give people reduced hours or extra holiday. We know Johnson will promise to spend hundreds of billions more on the NHS justified by the crisis he has largely caused.

328161 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Darryl, 1, #87 of 1459 🔗

Promises mean nothing.

327431 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to stewart, 1, #88 of 1459 🔗

NHS suffers from Bloat, like the latest Microsoft Operating System.

326748 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 22, #89 of 1459 🔗

Tier Six

326750 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 23, #90 of 1459 🔗

Oh, it’s foot in mouth, I think. That was Professor pantsdown as well, wasn’t it?
Wasn’t popular with farmers and was a colossal and tragic waste, but then again, it would be, wouldn’t it with him involved.

326761 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 33, #91 of 1459 🔗

It was foul.
It was sadistic.
It was beastly.
It was pointless.
It was Ferguson.

326764 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 14, #92 of 1459 🔗

“We didn’t for a moment imagine that we could get away with herding people into the purifying flames. This wasn’t Communist China, after all. But then people started to demand it. They were queuing up to save themselves in the fires. As a scientist, it brought a tear to my eye.” Neil Ferguson, August 2021.

326802 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Annie, 12, #93 of 1459 🔗

Hang on, if it saved just one cows life

327518 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Annie, 1, #94 of 1459 🔗

Anyone else suspect he is a vegan?

326753 chrissie3, replying to chrissie3, 11, #95 of 1459 🔗

Thank you for the excellent destruction of Benedictus.

326952 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to chrissie3, #96 of 1459 🔗

Fullfact factpwned 😀

326754 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 15, #97 of 1459 🔗

Why is LS talking about ‘second waves’? Stop using their language please and stop dragging in your hatred of Socialism when you’re supposed to be about so-called ‘lockdowns’.

326821 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bungle, 8, #98 of 1459 🔗

Yes, we need to concentrate on building the broadest possible coalition to bring our human lives back.

327179 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Bungle, 2, #99 of 1459 🔗

Agreed. We need a broad-based humanity vs. technocracy/corporatism alliance. No longer a leftist myself, but I have a lot of respect for those on the ‘left’ who are speaking out on this issue.

327804 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #100 of 1459 🔗

Tragic that so few do despite the huge left wing case about lockdown.

326759 Annie, replying to Annie, 28, #101 of 1459 🔗

Dread Covid, scourge of humankind,
Forgive our sceptic ways!
Divest us of our thinking mind,
In causeless fear Thy service find,
In abject grovelling, praise!

In simple trust like theirs who heard
From holy BBC
The gibbering of the panicked horde,
Let us, without a thought or word,
Fall flat and worship Thee!

Drop poison dews of beastliness
Till our resistance cease.
Destroy our souls with strain and stress
And let our coward lives confess
There can be no release.

Breathe through the calm that we desire
Thy panic and Thy harm,
Let sense be dumb, let brain retire,
Speak through Thy lies, each time more dire,
Oh shrieking voice of harm.

326763 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Annie, 4, #102 of 1459 🔗

An apposite choice for your re-wording, I understand the original was written as a counter to the histrionics and wild mania of revivalist religion – like covid cult?

326762 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 32, #103 of 1459 🔗

“If The New COVID-19 Strain is More Transmissible, Why Isn’t It Taking Over in Every Region?”
Because Sars cov 2 (the virus) has never been isolated or purified making Covid-19 (the disease) total fiction which makes ‘a new Covid-19 strain a complete pile of Sh*te.

Asking questions like ‘why isn’t it taking over in every region?’ is falling into the trap of discussing more unadulterated rubbish—-which is, of course, just what the perpetrators of this nonsense so desire.

326819 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #104 of 1459 🔗

Yes, disputing their details, while accepting their general argment.

327134 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #105 of 1459 🔗

I very much wonder how the overworked labs can take time and which tests they use to determine the difference between the samples.
I am quite bad a natural sciences, but as far as I can understand the PCR test, would it be that easy for a technician to specify which variant/strain it is?

326766 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 10, #106 of 1459 🔗

“full fact” – full of shit more like

327050 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to mattghg, 1, #107 of 1459 🔗


326767 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 107, #108 of 1459 🔗

Much discussion in todays LS news about the details of hospital data which is fair enough but yet for me after all these months, the hospital data does not matter, the death rate only matters if it vears alarmingly and unexpectedly which is not the case at present.
To me what matters is our human rights, our civil liberties and our freedom of movement and I feel that with these continuing restrictions we have sold our birthright for a ‘mess of pottage’.
Back in the days of the Manor House system you had to ask permission from the Lord of the Manor to leave your parish, the freedom of movement we used to enjoy in this country was hard won and was a hugely valuable freedom but we have given it away for next to nothing.
My wife tells me that many in society would regard me as having an extreme position and that the majority of people in the UK are happy to give up their rights, liberties and freedoms to save the ‘blessed NHS’ and protect themselves from death.
But to me the loss of rights, liberties and freedoms is in itself a worse type of illness and death.
Am I so very different from the rest of the world?

326770 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #109 of 1459 🔗

Definitely not.

326773 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Martindale, 57, #110 of 1459 🔗

We didn’t give them away they were taken by a fascist government acting under the pretext of protecting the NHS.
Most people are under the impression that when the crisis is over we will all go back to normal,this is wrong.
No one seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it
The latest manifestation of this power is plunging the rest of England into Tier 4,which is lockdown by another name,in readiness for the rollout of the experimental vaccine.
It they succeed then our relationship with the state is changed forever.We will no longer be freeborn men and women but cattle to be branded,tracked and traced.
It this sounds extreme think back to February 2019,and remember what you were allowed to do,and now what is permitted,all for a virus which is no more danger than seasonal flu.

326778 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to jonathan Palmer, 61, #111 of 1459 🔗

Exactly. Imagine December 2019. The PM turns up on TV and blithely announces that xmas is cancelled for millions, that he has decided to ban you seeing your loved ones, but that some lucky parts of the country can do so, but only in their gardens. That all shops and businesses must close or face arrest. That schools will be locked. That hospitals will be locked for most.
That not wearing a muzzle at all times will be punishable and that people should work to pressure others into consent for all this….
What really makes me the angriest is how most of this has happened without even a whisper.

326784 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to danny, 52, #112 of 1459 🔗

Boiling frog tactics.The government have always proceeded slowly.They leak a new restriction.Test the reaction then decide whether to proceed.The Nazis did the same.Bit by bit people were stripped of their rights.
I also think the first lockdown has caused mass psychosis in the population.The effect of separating people from family friends and work colleagues and then beaming death porn propaganda directly at them has changed people.This is the tactics of a cult.

328164 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to danny, 1, #113 of 1459 🔗

Well now, Bill’s Broadcasting Corporation and the rest of the paid-off media were always going to do all they could to stifle any opposition. The brain-dead zombies in the street have bought the nonsense hook line and sinker, so now it’s really up to ourselves as individuals. Ignore all lockdown and tier restrictions, do not get tested and avoid the vaccines as if your life depended on it, because it literally does.

326783 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jonathan Palmer, 14, #114 of 1459 🔗

A very popular local pub closed down on Xmas Eve despite us being in tier 2.
They released this statement yesterday.

“We look forward to better times on the horizon. Easter, sunshine and tier 1, with the vaccine in wide circulation”.

They might as well sell up now because that ain’t going to happen.

326890 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to karenovirus, 17, #115 of 1459 🔗

That sums it up, really. They are anticipating the “sunlit Uplands” of Tier 1, which still implies and acceptance of ongoing restrictions to our freedom. On a more practical level, we’ve already seen plenty of evidence of government arbitrarily altering the Tier definitions, so they’ll probably celebrate their eventual emergence into Tier 1, only find that the pubs are still shut!

328162 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #116 of 1459 🔗

I doubt the vaccines will be that experimental. Big Pharma, Bill Gates and our corrupt government know that the vaccines will do exactly what they are supposed to do.

326779 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #117 of 1459 🔗

It was the black death, a proper epidemic from hell, that freed the serfs from feudalism.
There were so few survivors amongst the peasants that if they thought they might get a better deal elsewhere then off they went and there was nobody to stop them. The introduction of the Market Economy to labour no less.

326811 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #118 of 1459 🔗

One historian called the B. D. ‘a salutary blood-letting’.

326806 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 36, #119 of 1459 🔗

No you aren’t. We’re subjected to a living death and I feel sorry especially for children because at the bare minimum they have 60-odd years left on this earth.

That’s why I’ve unfollowed my sister and brother-in-law on their anti-social media accounts, seeing my nieces masked and wearing visors as well as attending school in front of an iPad was just too much. They might look outwardly A-OK but of course we won’t know what damage all this would have caused until 10-20 years down the line.

326899 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Steve Martindale, 23, #120 of 1459 🔗

You are not alone Steve. Without our rights and liberty there will be no normal to return to.
I fear this Government far more than I fear this virus.
My MP assures me that these restrictions are only temporary. After ten months of creeping totalitarianism thing don’t look very temporary to me.

328141 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Burlington, #121 of 1459 🔗

Your MP is full of baloney.

327006 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #122 of 1459 🔗

In a word – NO.

327221 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #123 of 1459 🔗

I fear that you are, as are we all on LS. It is really difficult to tell how many people have lost their minds. I certainly don’t believe the polls on support for lockdown, but we all know there are more than enough of them.

Here in CH, which many people seem to think of as sceptical, our public health body (BAG), health minister and the hysterical media are ‘gravely concerned’ about the ‘mutant variant’.

One thing which strikes me about the NHS discussion. Yes, NHS is bad in comparison with other countries, for instance Germany and CZRep. But Germany is locked down anyway. And even though Germany and CR are experiencing bigger ‘waves’ now, neither seem to be relying on ‘hospitals overrun’ narrative, because this would not wash. So, the narrative is slightly different (minimizing deaths until vaccine arrives), but achieves the same aim as NHS narrative: lockdown.

It is as though lockdown is the aim everywhere, and you look for criteria to impose it. CR has a complicated system called PES, which looks very scientific with lots of factors fed in to give a different number every day, but critics say the underlying logic of the model lacks sense. (Vaclav Klaus has criticized it, among others.)

327246 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #124 of 1459 🔗

Thanks, Steve. The surrender of our fundamental freedoms has been the worst part of this shitshow, in my opinion. Even after all these months, I still cannot believe that people in liberal democracies (not just the UK) have gone along with this for so long. I was against it from the beginning because I did the research and saw that the lockdown was a huge overreaction that pandered to, and exacerbated, public hysteria. Having lived and worked in China, I was also able to see how dangerous it was to believe anything coming out of that country; democracies should not emulate its policies.

To be fair (why?) to the UK government, I don’t think the PM wanted to do this at first, and even his advisers were sceptical of lockdowns – remember what they said in public? Once they went down this dark path, however, it became very difficult to return without admitting a very grave and costly error. Still, the Norwegian government did do this, but was one of very few. By May, it should have been very clear that the epidemic in Europe was over, yet most governments continued on with feeding the mass psychosis, and here we are.

Yes, we are in very serious trouble (to put it mildly), but I still hold out some hope that the UK government wants to pull us out of this and I have long suspected that the theatre of the magic vaccine, coupled with tweaking the test ‘results’ (either by using PCR with fewer cycles or switching to lateral flow) and the natural decline in respiratory viruses in the spring, will bring us out of this shitshow. I have to remain optimistic or I would not get out of bed in the morning.

Our civil liberties are precious and my biggest worry of all is how so few people in liberal democracies take those freedoms seriously. Liberal democracy cannot function without fundamental freedoms and to see so many people who fail to understand, let alone appreciate, this basic fact is actually soul-destroying to me. The culture of freedom has been eroded so badly over the last few years, which I have seen some evidence of as a politics lecturer, but I did not expect it was anywhere near this bad. If we do get out of this in the spring, there must be a re-awakening of the spirit of freedom or we will fall prey to authoritarianism again – and soon.

327493 ▶▶▶ microdave, replying to Tom in Scotland, 11, #125 of 1459 🔗

Liberal democracy cannot function without fundamental freedoms and to see so many people who fail to understand, let alone appreciate, this basic fact is actually soul-destroying to me

I’ve not spoken to my neighbour for some time – he’s an ex copper, and both his offspring work in the NHS, so you can imagine his take on the current situation. But he just collared me as I was unloading the shopping (Aldi, unmasked with exemption, should you ask), and his “How are you?” was met with a decidedly frosty reply, about the insanity we presently live in. He readily admits that there are far too many mangers & administrators in the Health Service, yet clearly is in thrall to the official narrative as regards the virus, and what his son reports from our local hospital. I pointed out that the NHS statistics show a lower overall occupancy than the running average, but he said this was because routine admissions have been virtually stopped, claiming that this was being kept quiet, which of course isn’t true.

I mentioned the Great Barrington Declaration, The Great Reset & Build Back Better, but he’d not heard of any of them! I asked him if he thought the World response would have been different if the virus had originated somewhere other than China – he thought not. He just couldn’t believe that there’s more to this than meets the eye. He repeated our earlier discussion by asking me what alternative there is to the present restrictions. I countered by mentioning the GBD had already proposed one, and asked “So how long do you think this can go on for?” but got nowhere. I got the distinct feeling that he is quite prepared to remain in lockdown as long as he’s told to, and seems O.K. with the new status quo – I made sure he knew I was NOT. By this stage the conversation was getting rather heated, and he steered the conversation onto local wildlife – something we can discuss without raising voices!

As long a there are lots of people who seem oblivious to an alternative view I can’t see any quick way out, and I really fear for the future…

327449 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, #126 of 1459 🔗

Not from me you ain’t.

326769 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 33, #127 of 1459 🔗

Many people have commented on the ‘intelligence’ of Covid-19. It seems to know where it is, who it’s with and what they’re doing. May I suggest that it is also ‘vote’ sensitive. Whenever there is a parliamentary vote in the offing, the virus goes on the rampage causing a wave of new ‘infections’ and threatens the collapse of the NHS. In fact, it makes the destruction of our country seem justified. So clever.

328143 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bugle, #128 of 1459 🔗

How many MPs have been infected so far?

326772 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #129 of 1459 🔗

I posted this late last evening. It highlights the fact that C-19 is being used as distraction.

Apparently authentic correspondence from government shown in video

327392 ▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PastImperfect, #130 of 1459 🔗

Seen this before. Think this is just the closure of a dormant company with no assets and a silly name.

326774 danny, replying to danny, 42, #131 of 1459 🔗

Main headline of the DM today “doctors will have to make horrendous choice as to who will live and who will die.”
Firstly, rubbish.
Secondly, isn’t that what they’ve been doing since lockdown began, in cancelling operations, GPs refusing to see patients etc?
Also, ever since the start of this shameful dereliction of duty, doctors and care homes have been pushing DNR “consent” on thousands, from the very elderly to (I’m sure I read this in the summer but it has been somehow dismissed) disabled kids showing signs of Covid too?

326815 ▶▶ Annie, replying to danny, 39, #132 of 1459 🔗

Doctors have been making those choices since medicine began. When resources are limited, some get them and some don’t. End of.
They’ve already decided that Covvies should live and cancer patients should die. And that is horrendous.

327005 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 21, #133 of 1459 🔗

My very fit best friend has discovered he has a heart condition that needs surgery. The Op itself is not dangerous but it needs doing. Not doing it will mean his heart will burn itself out and he will die. Not a problem, it was discovered because he kept getting out of breath doing things that he would normally do with no problem. It’s no problem it would take two years to become serious so we will book you in. GREAT thanks NHS. Ah only problem this was discovered last October, he was meant to have the op in March. Bet you can’t guess what happened, been rescheduled four times was supposed to happen last week! And….. because of the pressure of covid…… my mate is now getting out of breath walking up the fucking stairs. He gets helpful advice like, if you feel a heart attack please come in, WHAT!! So someone like my mate who never goes to the doctor and will probably live for another 25 years is left to possibly die while some fat fuck is treated for respiratory problems, or a 90 yo gets treatment to keep them alive for another six months. DO NO HARM…..

327012 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Spikedee1, 7, #134 of 1459 🔗

Very sad for your friend but I think this is happening all too often.

327017 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to danny, 15, #135 of 1459 🔗

Bullsit headline..I was a combat medic and and in combat triage means that you mark your patient on the probability of them surviving..You usually put a mark on their forehead with a marker..So if this is very low you basically keep them comfortable with morphine (if there is any) or sometimes just hold their hand..This is every day so do not give me a sob story about these overpaid fuckers.You are a doctor,it is a part of your daily job FFS !!!

326776 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 27, #136 of 1459 🔗

Rona Lisa

326870 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Crystal Decanter, #137 of 1459 🔗


326993 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bugle, 2, #138 of 1459 🔗

Is that Greta?

328152 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Waldorf, #139 of 1459 🔗

Zoom University.

326777 chaos, 3, #140 of 1459 🔗

Ep104 – Vitamin D and Viral Special with Dr. David Grimes et al – Vital Viewing!
I take between 1000IU and 100,000IU per day.. usually with K2…

326782 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 47, #141 of 1459 🔗

What annoys me about the sheep is that they don’t asks difficult questions or engage in critical thinking. These are questions I would like to ask those who clap for and worship the NHS.

The NHS has become a covid only service and treatment has stopped for other illnesses. As a result of this huge numbers are suffering and dying. Why do you worship an organization which has stopped providing health care? How would you feel if another public service did the same thing? For instance, the fire brigade decides to only respond to vehicle accidents and will not respond to other calls. If this policy was adopted the fire brigade would not come if your house caught fire. Would you clap for and praise the fire service? How would you feel if the private sector adapted a policy of only providing limited goods and services? For instance, all the supermarket chains adapt a policy of only selling apples in their fruit and veg section, only selling corn flakes in their cereal section and only salad cream in their condiments section.

Why should our taxes pay for the NHS when we don’t have access to it?

The justification for draconian lockdowns which has prevented people seeing family and friends, destroyed jobs and businesses is to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed but in return the NHS will not treat people for non covid conditions. How would you feel if other public services did the same? Why do you think this is acceptable? Again using the example of the fire service. To prevent the fire service being overwhelmed with having to respond to vehicle accidents, there are limits how many days a week people can drive vehicles, there is a national speed limit, we can’t drive after a certain time, there are limits how many can travel in cars. This creates hardship but in return the fire service will attend non vehicle crash incidents. Would you think this was fair?

Flu is an infectious disease which puts the NHS under strain every winter. It is not suggested the country is placed under house arrest, our civil liberties taken and businesses forced to close to prevent further infection. This policy has been adopted with covid. Can you explain the difference?

To justify draconian lockdowns you would expect the NHS and other public bodies to provide irrefutable evidence. I sent a FOI request to the NHS asking for evidence of asymptomatic transmission which they were unable to answer. How can the NHS be worshiped if they can’t provide evidence to justify lockdowns?

326985 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ianric, 19, #142 of 1459 🔗

Good point well made. Thing is about this new virus, you were struggling at first. But then you have had six months to plan for winter with something you now are totally familiar with. So what did you change? You took out some beds!! Oh yes and we test everybody all the time? So your actions mean we have LESS capacity and 80,000 of your staff are having to self isolate at home!! Shut up and clap FFS.

326785 Tom Blackburn, 1, #143 of 1459 🔗

Well Tiers have been well and truly debunked (even though they are lockdown by another name). There is nothing to fear from another national lockdown. Who knows, it might be #thirdtimelucky

326789 chaos, 2, #144 of 1459 🔗


See if you can spot the ‘Israel’ trend in the comments.. good old CCHQ/77th brigade.. flag them all as spam….

326790 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 15, #145 of 1459 🔗

Our leaders in 20-30 years time will come from the children whose education is now being trashed. That’s a happy thought.

326797 ▶▶ danny, replying to PatrickF, 4, #146 of 1459 🔗

Can they be any worse?

327009 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to danny, 1, #147 of 1459 🔗

If they keep the current trend of safety-ism going, the next generation will be putting in measures to put an end to the intolerable threat of paper cuts.

326801 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to PatrickF, 6, #148 of 1459 🔗

Or they will be the children of the ones who are supposedly in charge now.

327522 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kh1485, 1, #149 of 1459 🔗

Children of the Damned.

326808 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to PatrickF, 3, #150 of 1459 🔗

‘Our leaders’

How do you know that there will be a ‘we’ in 30 years time?

..and if there is, what will ‘we’ look like?

What will society look like?

326906 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to PatrickF, #151 of 1459 🔗

Not only that but they will become our Scientists, Surgeons and Doctors …..

327538 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to tonyspurs, #152 of 1459 🔗

Idiocracy comes true

326791 Bill Hickling, 15, #153 of 1459 🔗

Did I read above that the papers claiming to validate lockdowns were based on modelling again? That says it all really.

326794 danny, replying to danny, 63, #154 of 1459 🔗

How many people are willing to forego their principles and see the laws of the land destroyed, simply because they happen to agree with the end result?
I am constantly astonished by this hypocrisy amongst friends and colleagues regarding lockdown.
Passionate advocates of free speech, happy to now ban protest.
People that would never have voted for Boris, now carefully adhering to bubble rules etc.
Even on the issue of the environment. People that would berate you for using a plastic bag, now decked out in plastic “to be safe”.
The veneer of integrity is vanishingly thin.
I have always believed in the rule of law. I would fight to let the KKK march down my road as long as they were legal, just as i would fight to hold a counter rally condemning them.
So fed up with people basically not minding those authoritarian regime, simply because they like the outcome.

326805 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to danny, 11, #155 of 1459 🔗

THey like the outcome- so far.

Let’s see if they like what’s coming down the pike.

326824 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to danny, 24, #156 of 1459 🔗

In some ways this virus hoo-haa has given the ruling junta the opportunity to test out the public with regard to the huge changes, restrictions and reduction in living standards that will come when they roll out the changes that will be needed to implement their climate change policies. Before long they will be turning off the gas supply to whole areas of housing, they now know they can browbeat the public into accepting this. The move to electric cars will see many lower income people unable to have their own car any more, again they now know they can get away with doing this.

327053 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #157 of 1459 🔗

The trouble is that most of the people that believe in climate change have already adapted to those oppressive measures and probably have their own heat pumps installed so turning the gas off won’t bother them (they think). They also cycle everywhere or already own a Prius so electric cars won’t bother them either.

There is only one way to frighten them into the real world and that is to tell them there won’t be enough electricity left to charge their mobile phones.

327528 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Old Bill, 1, #158 of 1459 🔗

Or their computers, cooking appliances, homes, etc.

327527 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #159 of 1459 🔗

Don’t let them get away with it. Ask Boris how many electric power stations and renewables will be needed to power all the projected electric cars. I bet he doesn’t know. And doesn’t care as well. Why? Because it’s just a cover for other, more insidious, plans.

327544 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #160 of 1459 🔗

Not only that, the entire power grid right down to the cables in your street will need to be upgraded. Which will use masses of petrol and diesel

326855 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to danny, 11, #161 of 1459 🔗

Agree. Been seeing that for months now, its disheartening to see how people have become because of this virus and the response to it. The worst are family and friends.

It’s like the Picture of Dorian Gray – now what we’re seeing is the ugliness underneath but these people still think they’re being “good” and “caring.”

That said, it will be interesting to see how they will behave when the shit finally hits the fan and they realise that they’ve been played all along.

327015 ▶▶ stewart, replying to danny, 12, #162 of 1459 🔗

The problem is that the bulk of objections against lockdowns are based on the argument that they don’t work, or they do more harm than good.

The only argument that should ever have been made from the outset is that they are immoral because they violate our basic freedom, which should stand above everything as a principle.

We used to think freedom was worth risking one’s life for. Many of our ancestors did.

What political leader today is standing up for freedom, reminding us that freedom is worth risking life for?

327253 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to stewart, 3, #163 of 1459 🔗

Agree entirely. People just don’t value freedom. I would have said that they will come to value it once it’s been taken away, but that doesn’t seem to have happened yet. I despair.

326795 james007, replying to james007, 14, #164 of 1459 🔗

I dont understand why the Nightingales are closing. How many staff does a 500 bed Covid hospital need? 80? Not all of them have to be doctors and consultants, all the patients will have similar illnesses.

If the army helped build them, why can’t they help staff them? The army has around 4000 medical reservists. There are more army doctors on active duty who could be made available

And what about all the undergrads studying medicine? I am sure many of the cleaver ones would be willing to volunteer to help.
A boot camp training programme could be designed to get a few hundred talented workers in a short space of time.

326799 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to james007, 9, #165 of 1459 🔗

The problem with this james007 is that it is far too sensible!

327025 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to kh1485, #166 of 1459 🔗


326800 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to james007, 16, #167 of 1459 🔗

Thousands of newly retired doctors and nurses volunteered to be reactivated for the Covid, hardly any were utilized.
The government have never really been as worried as they pretend to be.

326813 ▶▶▶ james007, replying to karenovirus, 5, #168 of 1459 🔗

Plus all the hundreds of people in high vis jackets, standing around in car parks shivering, passing test kits through car windows. I’d rather work as a cleaner or porter in a hospital that do that.

326832 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to karenovirus, 7, #169 of 1459 🔗

As evidenced by the duping delight grins from Matt Hancock every time he talked about vaccinating the whole population- practically rubbing his hands with glee

326872 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to jos, 5, #170 of 1459 🔗

Duping Delight! Now there’s a blast from the past! Yes. It appears the only skill Hancock has.

326977 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to karenovirus, 4, #171 of 1459 🔗

Spot on, as evidenced by their approach to the increasing numbers of Channel hopping refugees from the Macron regime – even as British citizens were under house arrest.

326810 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to james007, 10, #172 of 1459 🔗

Good point, if we are in such a deadly pandemic, why not use the Army medics? Hhmmmm yes like kh1485 says, too sensible!

326829 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #173 of 1459 🔗

Good point. Wasn’t that the whole point of the MASH units in the old days?

To easy and sensible I think.

326812 ▶▶ Will, replying to james007, 27, #174 of 1459 🔗

The Nightingales are chocolate teapots because they can only treat people who only have Covid and hardly anyone admitted to hospital with Covid only has covid. I suspect that the majority of them don’t actually have covid they have just tested positive for covid.

326834 ▶▶ TC, replying to james007, 10, #175 of 1459 🔗

In fairness,I think you would need a lot of qualified/trained staff but as mentioned in the newsletter etc, they’ve had 6 months to plan train etc and they still bleat that they risk being overrun.
I suspect the Nightingales were built because the PRC built them just like lockdown was inspired by Italy and maybe overuse (and certainly huge expensive purchases) of ventilators was based on Spanish & Italian experience as the epidemic appeared to move westwards.
In short, HMG had no real idea or plan and straightaway went to SAGE & Ferguson reliance mode.

326861 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to james007, 3, #176 of 1459 🔗

Was the ExCel Centre Nightingale ever useable? Take a look at yesterday’s picture: I see no drainage in that spacious concrete floor. If there were toilets and washing facilities, they must have been miles away.

326911 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Bugle, 6, #177 of 1459 🔗

My mate who worked there told me there was only staff toilets which were already at the exhibition centre no toilets near the patients wards

326914 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to tonyspurs, 6, #178 of 1459 🔗

Just theatre, then.

326876 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to james007, 2, #179 of 1459 🔗

Are there loads of army medics just sat around though? I live near a large army base and some of my friends are army medics. They are working as GPs or physios or surgeons or whatever when they are not on training exercises or on deployment. Just like regular doctors.

326893 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to james007, 3, #180 of 1459 🔗

You won’t be going to a nightingale hospital to recover.

326908 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to james007, 16, #181 of 1459 🔗

The problem is not the staffing levels or the lack of toilets etc. The problem is that there are hardly any suitable pure Covid patients. They are all seriously ill with something else and happened to be PCR positive or infected in hospitals. A field hospital cannot cope with people who have need for specific medical equipment and expertise beyond bedside ventilation/intubation.

327121 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #182 of 1459 🔗

Sorry, didn’t see that Will had posted pretty much the same thing.

326941 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to james007, 5, #183 of 1459 🔗

Ah but then they couldn’t claim the NHS is overwhelmed to justify the fears for tiers.

326966 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to james007, 3, #184 of 1459 🔗

Given that the nightingales were so poorly designed that they couldn’t accept conscious patients due to the lack of toilet facilities and hence could only accept ventilated patients, a 500 bed facility would require a minimum of 250 nursing staff per shift, and if the RCN hadn’t reduced their nurse patient ratio for such settings it would be 500 nurses per shift. As ventilated patients are by necessity unconscious they are ITU patients.

326798 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #185 of 1459 🔗

Just spotted from HMG

326803 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 4, #186 of 1459 🔗

Is this the one with new technology? – I forget / struggle to care.

326816 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #187 of 1459 🔗

Traditional dead virus I believe

326823 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to l835, 5, #188 of 1459 🔗

Thanks. Hope I survive long enough to refuse it. Looking forward to being a second class citizen who can’t sit at the front of the bus whoop whoop

326871 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #189 of 1459 🔗

It’s new technology in humans. It uses a chimpanzee adenovirus (ie a chimp cold) as a vector to get the gene to create the antigen (the protein on the surface of the virus that the body will hopefully create antibodies to) into your cells.

The idea is that humans have no antibodies to chimp colds, so the chimp virus acts as a Trojan horse to get the coronavirus dna into your body and produces the antigens, which then creates an immune response and confers immunity on the host.

I think an animal vaccine has been developed with this approach. No human ones.

My main issues with it are (1) the trial protocols are a sodding mess (2) there have been 2 instances of transverse myelitis reported that I am not comfortable about (3) the U.K. regulators are under phenomenal political pressure to approve this

I’d want to see what the FDA has to say about it before I would even consider letting anyone I love touch it with a barge pole.

327171 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to sophie123, 1, #190 of 1459 🔗

Chimp virus, eh ?

Simian Flu anyone ?

327534 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to DomW, 2, #191 of 1459 🔗

Planet of the Apes Revisited.

327532 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to sophie123, 1, #192 of 1459 🔗

The F.D.A. has been taken over by Robert Wood Johnson Foundation alumnis.

326807 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to karenovirus, 6, #193 of 1459 🔗

Another day, another strain, another vaccine

326817 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #194 of 1459 🔗

Is this the Mutant Hero Vaccine?

326814 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 34, #195 of 1459 🔗

I’ve just received a response to a thank you e-mail I sent to a former employee for her kind gift to me of …. two bottles of handwash. I know, I know, it’s the thought that counts but it seemed an odd present to give to someone you know is a lockdown sceptic. Anyway, this young woman finished her response thus:

Hopefully they will distribute the vaccine quickly.
Here’s to staying healthy!

You’ve got to hand it to this government, the brainwashing has been a monumental success.

326820 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 8, #196 of 1459 🔗

That’s certainly taking the biscuit.

326828 ▶▶ TC, replying to kh1485, 10, #197 of 1459 🔗

If it’s 70% alcohol,maybe she thought you could drink it as an alternative.
The young baffle me:where is their sense of rebellion,of wanting to be different – is it just confined to their choice of TV and internet videos?

326830 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TC, 22, #198 of 1459 🔗

I know. I think she has obviously taken her cue from her mother who last week -on seeing me pretty distraught at the latest assault on our business – said she regretted not being able to give me a hug because of COVID! The stripping of people’s humanity has been one of the many nasty aspects of this shitshow.

326958 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to TC, 2, #199 of 1459 🔗

Those patients who were alcohol dependent did take bottles of alcohol based hand sanitiser from wards, mixed it with orange juice and imbibed it.

328000 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to p02099003, #200 of 1459 🔗

Ought to have injected it. Killing two birds with one stone.

326833 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 4, #201 of 1459 🔗

Next year send her a bar of carbolic soap

326841 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Cecil B, 8, #202 of 1459 🔗

Don’t be too harsh. When this kicked off I discovered one morning when I was showering before work (I am apparently a particularly high risk person viz. Covid but have worked throughout lockdown) and noticed a strange smell: my wife had bought Wright’s coal tar soap which I had never used since I was a child long ago and thought had been discontinued.
I have tried to educate her in scepticism but a few days ago she mentioned that she felt “sorry” for Hancock in his Andrew Marr interview (Yes, I know. There is a way to go yet.)

327011 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to TC, 3, #203 of 1459 🔗

A way to go? That’s an understatement.

326825 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #204 of 1459 🔗

Using the semi-dead London Underground, Mr Bart and I have sometimes entertained ourselves with looking at the adverts and one of them was from that toiletries company Baylis and Harding who have also jumped on the sanitiser bandwagon and have started creating their own version.

The blurb was infuriating for two reasons:

  1. using the misleading “kills 99.9% of bacteria” – why would you want to do that? Do they not know that the human body consists of bacteria and viruses? If you eliminate 99.9% then we should all be dead.
  2. “perfect for on the go and around the house” – fair enough to the former as you might find yourself somewhere with no handwashing facilities so the sanitiser is a back up but at home???? To which I would reply, WASH YOUR HANDS WITH SOAP AND WATER YOU MORONS!!!!

No doubt the sheep/zombies will rush to buy some.

Here endeth my rant.

326873 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #205 of 1459 🔗

Does not need saying, as I did in my office, killing 99% of bacteria is beside the point. Covid is not a bacteria, it might as well kill flies.

326955 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to karenovirus, 6, #206 of 1459 🔗

Recent purchase of kitchen cleaner spray was labelled as anti-viral, no changes to the formulation but no longer antibacterial.

327061 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #207 of 1459 🔗

Generations from now people will look back on our times as a period when we were profoundly ignorant about the microbial world and how essential it is to life. They will see our approach to elimination of bacteria and viruses a bit like we see medieval bloodletting.

Someone like Bill Gates and who has devoted the latter part of his life almost religiously to the elimination of viruses through vaccination, if remembered at all, will stand as an example the ignorance of the early 21st century and of how the harmful misguided actions of our time came to pass.

Another possibility is that generations from now we won’t be human anymore but cyborgs and the tech moguls of today will be remembered like Greek gods sitting on Mount Olympus.

327148 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to stewart, 4, #208 of 1459 🔗

I remember the day when my friend dropped her liquorice into the public playground sandpit, enjoyed the sand on it and continued to do eat it. Any bacteria would have been minimal, but some people would have had a heart a

326826 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 25, #209 of 1459 🔗

Guardian reporting only 40% of French will accept a vaccine. I believe our numbers will be similar, despite the wall-to-wall propaganda making us feel like pariahs.

326844 ▶▶ TC, replying to Tom Blackburn, #210 of 1459 🔗

It’s in the Guardian so is it true?

326848 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TC, 2, #211 of 1459 🔗

Fair point.

326875 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #212 of 1459 🔗

I had the same jaundiced view of the Telegraph when I gave up on it in late March.

327041 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to TC, 3, #213 of 1459 🔗

Anything in the MSM is propaganda / or fake news until proven otherwise. Perhaps this was always the case but we only realised it this year. I would be amazed if the figure wasn’t 90% + looking at the unquestioning levels of compliance in France (or is it just fear of the Police and government not fear of the Virus?)

327184 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Darryl, 2, #214 of 1459 🔗

Can’t imagine the Gilet Jaunes taking it
The Arabs are pretty wary too

327299 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Darryl, 4, #215 of 1459 🔗

I quite agree with your sceptisicm toward corporate media, but in this case the figure is probably believable, because the 90% figure would be the one that the official narrative wants.

Specifically, in France several leading medical figures have expressed doubts about the new-tech RNA ‘vaccines’. So, the figure may relate only to these specific vaccines. France is developing its own vaccine of a more traditional nature. And it may be that the French national interest lies in promoting this vaccine at a later date.

In general, I think there is a good deal of hesitancy or downright scepticism toward vaccines in a number of countries. That is why they are trying to keep everyone shut up now…

326860 ▶▶ alw, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #216 of 1459 🔗

And they can’t give it away here. Many over 80’s refusing. Open to others but not many takers.

326994 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to alw, 7, #217 of 1459 🔗

It’s turning out as I predicted months ago (thanks to my unique genius). The vaccine is not working as the end point of the Hollywood narrative, if only because too few people will voluntarily accept it. So the regime does not get the get-out-of-jail-free card it has been holding out for all these months.

They have a choice: fold now, or double down with added pressure ending in mandatory vaccination. The problem is that mandatory vaccination is not a Hollywood ending either. It will just be a deeper bloody mess.

327000 ▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Ovis, 9, #218 of 1459 🔗

If uptake is low, I think they will use more psychological methods, that is peer pressure, blame game by making high uptake a requirement to end lockdowns, so if you refuse the vaccine it is your fault we are still in lockdown. Could be one read on stricter lockdowns are running parallel to rolling out the vaccines.

327063 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Ovis, 6, #219 of 1459 🔗

They will double down, of that you can be sure.
Political leaders are now fighting for their public lives.

327107 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to stewart, 6, #220 of 1459 🔗

Yes. But I for one will not accept an invasive medical procedure for the purpose of saving political face for the regime.

327259 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ovis, 3, #221 of 1459 🔗

Same with me, and I suspect many others feel the same way. I actually think (perhaps too optimistically) that the game is nearly up and the government will declare victory soon.

327286 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tom in Scotland, #222 of 1459 🔗

I hope you are right.

326831 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 31, #223 of 1459 🔗

What is annoying me a bit lately is that people like to be seen to be adhering to restrictions and may be mildly skeptical, but in the face of it they still comply with mask wearing etc.
Hubbys best friend saying he wants the vaccine, he is afraid of getting Covid because he is still suffering long term fatigue effects of glandular fever, yet last week has a small party at his house.
My sister is skeptical and breaks ‘rules ‘ on may occasions (still wears a mask in shops though)but has been in close contact with someone who tested positive and said she might self isolate and get a test anyway because she wants to stay at home on full pay for 10 days…..she works for NHS (non medical)
My friend often has her 5 year old wearing a mask and used to give off stink about people breaking rules and now she said she extends her bubble when she likes and now tweaks things to suit herself.

The hypocricy of people stinks.

326836 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ganjan21, 24, #224 of 1459 🔗

I agree with this. I have two customers who are completely believing of everything. In fact yesterday, they boasted that they’d had the jab and even added that that would make me “safe” – eh? Anyway, these people who agree with everything this blasted government say, still expect me to break the rules to accomodate their desire to have coffee etc as normal.

326835 l835, replying to l835, 37, #225 of 1459 🔗

Re NHS bashing. They deserve it. A recent fb conversation I read implored the staff of a local coffee shop to open at 7am and close at 9pm so the “hardworking” “angels” could buy a drink on their way to their 12 hour shifts. So happy for others to work 14+ hours (or employ extra staff for a second shift) while their own shift is largely composed of gossiping about colleagues or playing on their phone. Perhaps if they used some of this time to clean wards, respond to patients, answer the phone, they might be able to get on top of the transmission of the virus within hospitals? The 86 year old in the bed next to me last week was told that due to multiple cancers, if his heart stopped during his operation they would not resuscitate him. He was left with a DNR form to think about. Wisely he discharged himself. Caring profession my arse.

326839 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to l835, 26, #226 of 1459 🔗

The morons will no doubt start clapping like trained seals again on Thursday’s. Save the NHS they moan. Well, how many thousands have died at home due to no-access? And, what about people like me, who paid £12K quid in taxes to the NHS, raped from my account, by a gov’t which takes 45% of my income in taxes. I saved the NHS. Do I have access? No. Are they busy? Not really. Is there a pandemic? No. If under 75, your chance of dying in a car accident is higher than from CV 19. So ergo, lockdown schools? The stupid called ‘science’ is pathetic. But the seals and sheep clap and bleat and threaten ‘sceptics’ with violence and death. For what? 0.03% death rate?

327051 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to FerdIII, #227 of 1459 🔗

Well said.

326842 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to l835, 13, #228 of 1459 🔗

Can’t they make their own blasted coffee? When my poor mum was in hospital, every time I called to try and get some information about her condition, the nurse supposedly in charge of her ‘care’ was “on her coffee break”.

326845 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to kh1485, 11, #229 of 1459 🔗

Apparently not. More importantly the coffee shop also sells cake which is their staple diet.

326847 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to l835, 13, #230 of 1459 🔗

Yes, I’ve noticed that – especially at my doctors’ surgery. Receptionists telling you to reduce your fat intake, while stuffing themselves with doughnuts!

326912 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to l835, 9, #231 of 1459 🔗

The staff in the hospital across the Tesco I semi-regularly use seem to constantly buy nothing but fizzy drinks, chocolate bars, cakes, biscuits and Krispy Kreme donuts!!!

326992 ▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to l835, 5, #232 of 1459 🔗

Or free pizzas from Dominos

326846 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to l835, 11, #233 of 1459 🔗

They choose to work 12 hour shifts on a fortnight basis rather than earlies/lates so they can join them and work one week on, one week off. They don’t deserve sympathy for their chosen shift pattern.

326947 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #234 of 1459 🔗

Not necessarily true, a lot of trusts have 12 hour shifts with no alternatives. Certainly when I worked on the wards it was. When I started in A&E it was earlies and lates for the day, but that was because I was a Newby and hadn’t earned the right for long days. It did mean on the run up to our 7 nights I had 10 days of continuous shifts with the weekend immediately before the nights started as days off. Nowadays the rota is computerised.

326850 ▶▶ TC, replying to l835, 10, #235 of 1459 🔗

Re the 86 year old, I recallan 11 year old some years ago with terminal illness where the community nurse team would not treat her at home for her illness due to her bad temper but would offer palliative care in her last days.
I summarised it to a local authority solicitor as: “So, they won’t help her to live but they’ll help her to die?”.
The elderly receive at best a mixed attitude from NHS staff to them.
It does not surprise me that the 86 year old discharged himself as he might prefer to die at home than being attended by uncaring strangers.

326878 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to TC, 6, #236 of 1459 🔗

I couldn’t believe they’d tell someone they might be sad within the hour, then leave them alone. Two nurses and a sister were chatting about their holiday arrangements at their desk, so not busy.

326927 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to l835, 6, #237 of 1459 🔗

They should keep in mind that one day, they will be that frightened, lonely elderly person.

Perhaps this sounds too much like ‘an eye for an eye’, but I hope that poor excuse for a nurse, who treated my mum with so much indignity, gets the same at some point.

327633 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to kh1485, #238 of 1459 🔗


326840 Will, replying to Will, 16, #239 of 1459 🔗

Excellent update. The analysis of Spring V winter is quite brilliant especially the graph showing relative numbers in hospitals which reinforces the sense that those areas of London hit harder in the Spring are being hit less hard in the autumn: herd immunity in action.

I am not sure we should be getting our knickers in a twist about the efficacy of the spring lockdown. The spring lockdown did not “stop” infections, infections had naturally peaked a long time before the 23rd. The lockdown was “effective” in steepening the decent of the Gompertz curve and, in so doing it, “protected” millions of people from being infected. But all that served to do, exactly as Whitty warned would be the case, was to kick the can down the road and increase the rate of infections in the autumn/ winter when the health system would be under greater pressure and the natural immunity of the population would be significantly lower than in the the late spring/ early summer sunshine. The length and impeccable observance of the spring lockdown has led to a worse “second” wave at the very worst time of year.

326853 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Will, 12, #240 of 1459 🔗

“The lockdown was “effective” in steepening the decent of the Gompertz curve and, in so doing it, “protected” millions of people from being infected.”


I would say that the lockdown killed thousands of people as hospitals were cleared.

The shape of the mortality curve is more consistent with ‘human intervention’ than with the natural progress of an epidemic.

Lots of evidence now that lockdowns achieve precisely nothing, since the main route of infection in respiratory diseases is aerosols not human to human transmission.

Since aerosols accumulate in the air indoors in badly ventilated buildings, lockdowns may not only have killed people by clearing them out of hospitals, but also by forcing them to remain longer in indoor spaces.

See Denis Rancourt publications on Researchgate.

326863 ▶▶ PFD, replying to Will, 4, #241 of 1459 🔗

It can easily be demonstrated that the lockdown did not steepen the descent of the Gompertz curve. The curve is characterised by the same time constants during the rise and fall stages of the spring peak and thus lockdown did not ‘protect’ millions from being infected.
What we see now is a virus that is endemic amongst the population with a typical seasonal response.

326931 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to PFD, 4, #242 of 1459 🔗

So why do the Gompertz curves vary from country to country and, indeed, Region to region. As I made clear, the lockdown didn’t “protect” millions, it simply kicked the can down the road. Those countries that locked down earlier and harder, Germany, Czech Republic etc just saw more of the infections they were going to get in the autumn/ winter which is the wrong time to be having them.

327306 ▶▶▶▶ PFD, replying to Will, #243 of 1459 🔗

The Gompertz curve didn’t vary very much for different European countries. Back in March to June I analysed the data for Germany, Sweden, Norway, UK, Ireland, and Spain amongst others and the characteristic time constants were all very similar with small differences in the timing of the peak. All analyses, mine and others show that by the time of lockdown R had already dropped to less than 1. Yes there were differences in reported deaths per 100,000 of the population but this could be an artefact of the different definitions and reporting regimes of the different countries.

It is an interesting observation that countries such as Germany and the Czech Republic are seeing a winter surge following much smaller spring time peaks and it is tempting to suggest that lockdown simply prevented a significant portion of the population from being infected in the spring leading to higher rates now. I wouldn’t want to speculate on this without doing my own data analysis.

326963 ▶▶ jos, replying to Will, 5, #244 of 1459 🔗

Just a thought- when seasonal flu statistics are compared, it is never done by comparing one entire year with another – the March / April figures would be seen as 2019/2020 and the December 2020 figures would be 2020/2021 – by aggregating the figures and looking at the total for 2020 they are skewing the data and making it much harder to make comparisons

326989 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Will, 2, #245 of 1459 🔗

Yes, a similar process was at work in Greece. They had a rather harsh spring lockdown, hardly any deaths over the summer but a sharp uptick in the autumn.

326849 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 3, #246 of 1459 🔗

I thought Mark Dolan was one of us but he is now banging on about what brilliant news the approval of the Oxford jab is.

326851 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kh1485, 3, #247 of 1459 🔗

He’s still on board with the core message that lockdowns don’t work / are harmful.

326939 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #248 of 1459 🔗

That’s good, but one of the other core messages is that this is not a public health emergency and that emergency vaccines are not needed

It’s a tricky one as I suppose if the vaccine saves lives and doesn’t harm many it could be seen as a good thing, but in general supporting the vaccination drive is validating the coronapanic narrative

326969 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Julian, 7, #249 of 1459 🔗

I agree. I think also a lot of people see the vaccine as the key to getting back to what they consider ‘normal’ rather than it saving them from a ‘deadly’ virus.

326858 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to kh1485, 17, #250 of 1459 🔗

I think many people see the Oxford vaccine as the much longed for salvation, many who were wary of the RNA vaccines see the Oxford one as more traditional and therefore more acceptable and safer. I think they have been quite PR savvy in calling it the Oxford vaccine, ridiculous though it might be, the Oxford name’ does give it a cachet that will, I think, appeal to the British public.
If you are trying to sell something one technique is to offer 2 options to try and get people to avoid thinking about whether to buy it at all. By offering 2 vaccines, a scary one and a cosy one called Oxford, I think people will be queuing up for the Oxford one, which conveniently is cheaper and only requires a normal fridge.

326884 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #251 of 1459 🔗

I think that’s right.
Branding is sooooo important in today’s world.
My wife will take the vaccine
For myself,no,because:

  1. The well rehearsed questions over safety.
  2. I suspect that I had Covid a year ago before they were aware of it so why have a vaccine ?
  3. Would it even work.
  4. No confidence in HMG endorsement of vaccine and lack of any product liability.

With reference to 2 above, can someone point me to any real evidence ?

327023 ▶▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to TC, 8, #252 of 1459 🔗

It might be worth adding a reason number 5 and reflecting on the role of your own natural immunity. The human body is well capable of dealing with viruses – doing so day in and day out. 99% of the population have already had no problem with this virus. We have a miraculous immune system – so why mess about with it? Despite most of them being atheists, scientists have a strong liking for playing God.

327115 ▶▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Portnadler, 3, #253 of 1459 🔗

This is what propaganda has been targeting recently with WHO deleting all mention of natural immunity and youtube making it an offence to say that someone could be naturally immune.

327659 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Portnadler, 2, #254 of 1459 🔗

Yes. Since I changed my diet fifteen years ago I haven’t had the flu and only about two colds. On a few occasions I felt like I was going to get a cold soon, then that I just had the cold without actually having it, if you know what I mean. I assume this is my immune sustem at work.

A bit over a year ago I had something curiously similar to covid, as did a lot of other people. It was bad but not that bad and I shook it off.

The last thing I want to do is fuck with a working immune system. Especially since it looks suspiciously like the mass flu vaccination actually increased covid “cases”, just as was predicted.

I also ponder on the likely effect of the vaccine on people who are already immune.

328106 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to chris c, #255 of 1459 🔗

Yep, went to London in Feb. Had a ’24h feel virally crap’ and on again. Thought no more about it. Perhaps that was it. Dunno, don’t care. I have a trusty immune system for respiratory viruses. And I ain’t effin with it. Your last point is a biggie. No way am I going to provoke my immune system when it’s already tooled up. Uncharted waters.

326887 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #256 of 1459 🔗

And, as Orwell said: ” Hopeful people are more easily controlled, but the volume must be managed. Too much hope leaves a person emboldened and resistant. Too little leaves them disabled and useless. But just the right amount of hope subjugates them. They cradle it like a dying ember, and they’ll do anything to keep the wind from extinguishing it…….”

Yes, we’re being well and truly manipulated.

326904 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Banjones, 3, #257 of 1459 🔗

Eric Blair could write, couldn’t he?

326964 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to PatrickF, 1, #258 of 1459 🔗

Almost a Prophet ! He did work for a while at the BBC , I often wonder if he picked up his futuristic vibe from rubbing shoulders with the Great & the Good !

326986 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Banjones, 3, #259 of 1459 🔗

True but it also means they can’t maintain the same fear level – there are already signs, reading these comments, that people are starting to see through the BS. At some point the government will declare “victory”, until the next time at any rate.

327034 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Banjones, 1, #260 of 1459 🔗

That is very true. I guess everyone from the controlling class that works at a senior level in the BBC and Civil Service is taught this along with lots of other mind manipulation methods.

328194 ▶▶▶▶ Monty Greene, replying to Banjones, #261 of 1459 🔗

That’s not Orwell – it’s by one RJ Lawrence.

327018 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #262 of 1459 🔗

Given that the Oxford one is much cheaper than the Pfizer and doesn’t have the storage problems, why would the Goverment be using the Pfizer one going forward?

328011 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to arfurmo, #263 of 1459 🔗

They’ve presumably paid for x million Pfizer doses – with our money.
In a few weeks’ time we’ll be told that most of Pfizer’s snake oil has become unfit for purpose and has been dumped.

327022 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, #264 of 1459 🔗

Yeah, not like that foreign sounding muck Pfizer, is that Russian or wot?

327550 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Steve Martindale, #265 of 1459 🔗

I think you are right, with the Oxford moniker. The chimp virus vaccine might have a different effect.

326896 ▶▶ dpj, replying to kh1485, 7, #266 of 1459 🔗

If it is more of a traditional vaccine so less risks and is only given to anyone who might be at risk with no pressure on rest of population and we can get back to the real normal as a consequence then it is good news. Sadly I don’t think that is likely to be the case.

326905 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to dpj, 12, #267 of 1459 🔗

The Oxford vaccine uses a chimpanzee cold virus to get immunity – it’s been approved for ‘emergency use’ and it has to be repeated in 3 months – 3 things that haven’t been mentioned on the news.. but tell me why would we have a vaccine that only reduces the symptoms- it doesn’t get rid of the ‘virus’ whatever they’re saying – so really what’s the point for anyone under 80?

326921 ▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to jos, 7, #268 of 1459 🔗

Exactly, only needs to be given to anyone who might not be able to fight it off with immune system, no need for anyone else to get it.

327187 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to jos, 2, #269 of 1459 🔗

So Sars2 is a cold
good to know

327078 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kh1485, 4, #270 of 1459 🔗

Vaccination is a line no one with a public voice is willing to cross.

The establishment has made it so brutally clear that to even question the value of a vaccine is absolute no-no. It’s a one way ticket to the social sideline.

Doubts about vaccinations are equivalent to medieval heresy.

327080 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 2, #271 of 1459 🔗

Remember that “The Oxford” AZ vaccine was “code named” “Triumph” the Pfizer one was code named “Ambush”

326856 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 12, #272 of 1459 🔗

Apparently tier 4 isnt enough according to the lockdown zealots. We need immediate nationwide national lockdown with stronger enforcement to stop the spread with all schools and universities closed until March.

It looks like they’re going to get what they want. I dont know what to do anymore.

326874 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ricky1, 14, #273 of 1459 🔗

OK here goes, crazy off the wall completely unfounded optimistic idea of the morning;

Watch the weather forecast, they are predicting a slight move in the jet stream and 2 weeks of much higher pressures than we have had recently. Also, December is the gloomiest month of the year, light levels pick up significantly in January. So altogether for reasons I cannot quite explain I think the turn of the year is going to see a turn of the tide with this virus hoo-haa

326943 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #274 of 1459 🔗

Is that the same wind that blew in Mary Poppins? Send her to Boris, oh no its Nanna.

326951 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #275 of 1459 🔗

It snows more in March than in December

326953 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Steve Martindale, #276 of 1459 🔗


326948 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ricky1, 4, #277 of 1459 🔗

Yep Tier 5 on the way, housebound, no travel, all businesses shut. Hooray, that was such an amazing success last time. Oh wait…..

326859 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #278 of 1459 🔗

Is it still possible to fly to places such as Thailand, Goa, Dubai?

326866 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cecil B, #279 of 1459 🔗


326869 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to Cecil B, 1, #280 of 1459 🔗

Dubai yes, not sure on Thailand. Maldives yes, got clients hopefully going tomorrow if not put into tier 4 or 5.

If in tier 4 any international travel must be ‘essential’

326882 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 2, #281 of 1459 🔗

I’m shocked that somebody would actually cancel their holiday because of tier 4. Do they think their airline is going to demand a justification for their journey?

326886 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 1, #282 of 1459 🔗

Any pointers to travel company websites

327019 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 6, #283 of 1459 🔗

A railway worker mentioned to me that virtually everyone on her train on Monday were travelling ‘illegally’ since few were going to work (Bank Holiday) and most were clearly returning from Xmas family visits with their children.

What do ‘they’ expect when they permit families 24 hours to travel there and back on two days with no trains running?

Government of all the tossers.

326920 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 7, #284 of 1459 🔗

What about if you just want to leave the country and never come back? (Semi-serious question).

326984 ▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Bugle, 5, #285 of 1459 🔗

Something I am seriously considering, have even started a bit of research on Tanzania. How’s the Falklands for authoritarianism.

327192 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bugle, 1, #286 of 1459 🔗

Been thinking of this myself
I’m thinking Svalbard just to get away from the 3rd word blessings

326981 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 1, #287 of 1459 🔗

But who is checking – no-one. As my comment above, people still travelling and the flight to Qatar was busy. Admittedly some returning to Qatar, but also many going elsewhere.

326975 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #288 of 1459 🔗

When I was at the Sofitel on Saturday at terminal 5, reasonably busy considering we are supposedly being told to avoid travel. Qatar airlines still operating to Doha and I guess as a transit hub to other destinations.

327070 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Cecil B, 1, #289 of 1459 🔗

Thailand – yes but many hoopd to jump before you get here. Then there is the mandatory 2 weeks hotel quarantine(which you pay for) with NO alcohol allowed.

326864 Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 7, #290 of 1459 🔗

My morning thoughts.

Oxford V approval same day as harsh new measures announced to soften the blow and provide bugles on the horizon (again)

How exactly is the new variant identified? I thought PCR was a yes no? Have the redefined test, use two tests or send the results off for further analysis and lab confirmation?

326907 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 4, #291 of 1459 🔗

PCR tests for three genes in the UK, not one. One of those genes, S for spike protein, has been absent in an increasing fraction of samples in the South in particular. That led to more genotyping to read the genetic code of the samples. The new strain has a missing pair of amino acids at points 69/70 which means the pcr test reagent can’t lock on to the RNA for the S gene. The other two genes ORF and Nucleocapsid are still positive. Single gene positivity is very rare.

327174 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to djaustin, 2, #292 of 1459 🔗

So if the PCR does not detect a spike protein, does that mean the virus does not have it? So the virus is not able to attach itself, invade a human cell and therefor cannot multiply in the body?
Therefor cannot be in somebody at an amount that they can transmit it to another person?

327673 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Silke David, #293 of 1459 🔗

In what way is a coronavirus without a spike not a cold?

326867 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #294 of 1459 🔗

I keep getting asked if the situation is not serious, why are the hospitals getting overwhelmed. My stock answers (feel free to add):

  • Not all ICUs are overwhelmed, the national picture is of a moderately bad flu season
  • We cannot be held hostage by a sub-standard health service that can’t get its act together
  • We could increase staff by literally doubling pay and putting student nurses through a crash course. That would be cheaper than track and trace and all the other rubbish that has had money thrown at it
  • We have had since March to sort this situation out but the basic problem-response nexus of whining health service and lockdowns remains the primary policy tool
  • There are other ways to reduce hospital admissions which don’t involve shutdowns
  • Why don’t we ban tobacco sales immediately and save some admissions that way?
  • Why do we tolerate speed limit breaches if speed is involved in most fatal accidents?
  • Why don’t we triple the sugar tax?
326879 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to jhfreedom, 5, #295 of 1459 🔗

It is up to the people who say that to you to provide the numbers, and to do so in the context of previous years.

326938 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #296 of 1459 🔗

I do wonder how many of the vaunted 388 with no underlying conditions under 60 were no strangers to the biscuit tin?

327007 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #297 of 1459 🔗

They don’t ban tobacco because their tax take outweighs the costs to the NHS by several times, same applies to alcohol and should also be the case for marijuana.

Let’s ban paragliding, bungee jumping, cave diving, getting out of bed.

327089 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 4, #298 of 1459 🔗

People should be allowed to grow their own weed at least.

327694 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Two-Six, 1, #299 of 1459 🔗

They trialled it as a farm crop here a few years back. Supposedly it was non-hallucinogenic (grown for the fibre, but the car and building industries collapsed and the factory closed) but some curiously appeared in my garden and appeared to work, alhtough mild.

It used to be grown here years ago for rope, there’s still a place called the hempworks

327264 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to karenovirus, 3, #300 of 1459 🔗

Well said. I have argued with the anti smoking zealots for years over this. They go on about not treating people who have ‘brought it on themselves’. This gets me so angry as most illnesses could probably have been prevented by leading a less hedonistic lifestyle. We are humans and therefore fallible. I am an ex smoker by the way, ironically people in this category are often the worst zealots.

327562 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #301 of 1459 🔗

Let’s ban Freedom.

328202 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to bebophaircut, #302 of 1459 🔗

Erm, I think they have done just that.

327679 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to karenovirus, 1, #303 of 1459 🔗

Yes when I asked the newsagent why he was still allowed to sell tobacco while all “non-essential” shops were closed that’s exactly what he said

327036 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #304 of 1459 🔗

Reports were circulating in the press yesterday that Gloucester Royal Infirmary was at breaking point. By all means mention this to anyone who believes in the ‘NHS overwhelmed’ narrative but remember to also show them this footage:


327048 ▶▶ DavidDLM, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #305 of 1459 🔗

Banning tobacco sales would take years to have any effect on admissions. Ditto tripling the sugar tax, assuming that would have any effect at all. Your solution to lockdown authoritarianism is to impose a different kind of authoritarianism.You’re just as despicable as Johnson and his cronies.

326877 alw, replying to alw, 6, #306 of 1459 🔗

And the government now blathering on about New Years Eve restrictions in various tiers. Can’t see any paying anyone attention and good luck with trying to enforce.

327003 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 1, #307 of 1459 🔗

There are no restrictions, NYE is just cancelled altogether.
I still expect fireworks in the local public park which will be blamed on ‘drunken youths’.

326880 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 15, #308 of 1459 🔗

”Why isn’t it taking over in every region?”

Who knows? Who will ever know? Because ‘they’ can make up any figures whatsoever, wherever and whenever ‘they’ wish, to fit the narrative – and we have no way of knowing if they’re false or exaggerated or whatever.

I don’t believe anything this lying bunch tell us any more. Not a word. A more dishonourable, self-serving rabble of arrogant nowts it’d be hard to imagine. I can feel another letter to my useless MP coming on – not that it makes a blind bit of difference.

326909 ▶▶ V, replying to Banjones, 13, #309 of 1459 🔗

Government has always been this way. Those in a position of authority, regardless of the system, are corrupt, violent, self serving. We are bound to follow every one of their arbitrary commandments lest they visit upon us the violence of state, robbing us of our wealth or kidnapping us.

We are complicit in legitimising their authority and their violence. We vote for those that will use the violence of the state to steal from our neighbours and spend the loot on what we want, while we imagine that conferring the title ‘government’ on less-than-perfect humans will somehow imbue them with superpowers of reason and morality. An absurd notion.

And now, through our desire for convenience and our collective self-delusion, we have allowed and encouraged them to destroy our way of life, plunging us into ever more extreme debt insanities backed by ever more violence.

Anyone that thinks an authority has any interest in serving the public good is insane, delusional and abusively ignorant.

326936 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to V, 7, #310 of 1459 🔗

I’m sure there is a percentage who are genuinely good people, but evidently not many

What has changed now is that no-one in any branch of our government or institutions or media is holding them to account

326976 ▶▶▶▶ V, replying to Julian, 4, #311 of 1459 🔗

Their careers mean too much to them to challenge the corrupt status quo, so the good ones – you cannot find them anywhere, they do not exist. Ony the morally pragmatic survive the system.

Who is there to challenge debt insanity backed by violence, illegal wars, unjust edicts? Who even has the sense to understand these as evil, or admit that they exist, or to mention them in public and frequently?

None at all.

327001 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 2, #312 of 1459 🔗

Yes. Checks and balances are dead. Hence the system wide failure of the entire state, including formally autonomous institutions.

326933 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Banjones, 4, #313 of 1459 🔗

I wonder if it is because it was just made up to ensure compliance over Christmas.

326883 Biker, replying to Biker, 52, #314 of 1459 🔗

Yeah it’s a new day a new dawn and the Suzi Quatro impersonator that is holding Scotland hostage is gonna clamp down further on the people. It’s not enough that we haven’t been able to go to each others houses since March, or play gigs, or hold races, or have medical treatment or in fact do anything but this ugly little fucker is gonna do something else in her almost daily change of the rules. I’ll ignore it off course, but there she’ll be, looking all smart in her too tight lady suit and her hair sprayed hair, all four foot eleven of her. Her lipstick just a little thicker on her lips in her attempt to fool people she has lips, her shoes will be some kind of shinny leather from some flamboyant designer costing at least five hundred quid.
She’ll step out the 400,000 pound Tesla us people so generously provide for her, looking about as sexy as Bruce Jenner in a bikini and announce some madness she thinks will do something to stop a virus. The high priestess of voodoo will decree that the gods must be angry with us so we need a sacrifice and since we’re communists we’ll all have to be sacrificed. It won’t work but the adoring crowd will cheer and clap and pretend it does. They’re worshiping a golden haggis.

326894 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Biker, 6, #315 of 1459 🔗

LOL best description of her I have heard. She is definitely worse than dumb and dumber we have here.

326901 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Biker, 2, #316 of 1459 🔗

She looks sexy in a mask. The day she wore one.

326918 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Biker, 3, #317 of 1459 🔗

Brilliantly observed. Thank you for providing a good laugh.

326934 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Biker, 4, #318 of 1459 🔗

True she has a little bit of power and we all know what that does for little people. But Suzi Q? God I fancied her in her leather one piece and mashing that fucking great bass. Come on boys, one more time for Suzi, a one, a, two

326954 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #319 of 1459 🔗

God I fancied her in her leather one piece and mashing that fucking great bass.”

I know what you mean…..

327703 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to dhid, #320 of 1459 🔗

Me three

326949 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Biker, 2, #321 of 1459 🔗

Poor Suzi Quatro being compared to that “thing”!

looking about as sexy as Bruce Jenner in a bikini”

Do you mind! I’ve just had some breakfast – almost threw up with that image – eewww!

326999 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 1, #322 of 1459 🔗

Masks outdoors for Scotland next week and in your private homes the week after.

327247 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Biker, 2, #323 of 1459 🔗

”The Golden Haggis”! Brilliant! I hope that catches on!

327437 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Banjones, 1, #324 of 1459 🔗

I really like “The Wee Hen O’ the North”
No, not in that way..

326885 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 12, #325 of 1459 🔗

Coronavirus deaths SOAR in my area claims the local news. How many deaths?? 13. Cannot make it up anymore.

327243 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ricky1, 1, #326 of 1459 🔗

No doubt they were ”covid related”. ”Related” is the word to note.

326888 rockoman, 3, #327 of 1459 🔗

Surely, in order to know if a virus is spreading, no matter the variant, you have to have a reliable test.

326891 DanClarke, 7, #329 of 1459 🔗

‘Why isint it taking over every region’, well according to the DM, it is, they are on a propaganda roll today, an 88 year old woman died who had been ill for a long time, BUT covid got her in the end.

326892 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 4, #330 of 1459 🔗

We all know its about flogging the vaccine around the world

326997 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DanClarke, 5, #331 of 1459 🔗

Doormatt was proudly boasting to BBC R4 Today that ‘we have 100 million doses’ of the newly approved vaccine.


326895 iansn, replying to iansn, 9, #332 of 1459 🔗

The Alaskan Airlines ad shows that Americans dont do irony. Safety – welcome on board our brand new 737 Max – if Covid doesn’t get you Boeing will

326973 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to iansn, 2, #333 of 1459 🔗

The advert is nauseating, I wish they were dumb enough to do their stupid dance in front of a MAX, but they must have seen the potential for viral ridicule so chose a good old 737NG.

326996 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to iansn, #334 of 1459 🔗

Well spotted !

326910 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 1, #336 of 1459 🔗


326916 ▶▶ John001, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 4, #337 of 1459 🔗

Tubingen is hardly a ‘town’! It’s a university city the size of Cambridge.

That must be the first MSM coverage of it – useful.

326898 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 5, #338 of 1459 🔗

Out of interest, anyone know a sceptic that is ‘wobbling’ under the fresh media hysteria?

“Oh, maybe it’s worse than I thought”

“It’s more serious than I assumed”


No one wants to talk about conversion from scepticism to zealotry but I wonder if it’s happening.

It’s up to us to be armed with the figures…

326913 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #339 of 1459 🔗

No. If anything I’m getting the distinct impression that more are moving in the other direction. Not quite into our sceptic mode but certainly relaxing their observation of the rules and not falling for the ramped up ‘scary new strain’ hype and often not even aware of the latest nonsense as they’re now avoiding the news.

326922 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to jhfreedom, 14, #340 of 1459 🔗

I saw hundreds of people out and about at the seafront and I would say 1% looked like zealots, as the were the only ones in masks and social distancing. Everyone else was just behaving normally. I think people are seeing the numbers and thinking I don’t know anybody who has this. And anyone i know who has had it is still alive.

326928 ▶▶ Julian, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #341 of 1459 🔗

I don’t know many sceptics but those I do are moving in the other direction as the lies get bigger

326950 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to jhfreedom, 9, #342 of 1459 🔗

I was refraining from talking about the C word too much over Christmas, but just listening, it seems most family and friends aren’t buying it any longer. It seems the true believers are those wedded to TV news or Facebook.

326902 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 9, #343 of 1459 🔗

BBC R4 Currently engaging in an orgy of Covid fear porn. Rebroadcasting all the scary headlines since February followed by interviews with Experts and crisis facing front line NHS staff.
This listener cannot understand how so many of us survived but cannot face a full 45 minutes of this shite.

326919 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 3, #344 of 1459 🔗

Surely this is being offset in a balanced way with responses from LS like Mike Yeardon et al? We should be so proud of our BBC and its world class unopionated views.

326926 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #345 of 1459 🔗

The BBC seems evil to me

326935 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Julian, 9, #346 of 1459 🔗

No, can’t agree: it IS evil.

327072 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to iane, 4, #347 of 1459 🔗

You’re probably right

It’s a strong word

I dare say there are some people who work there, maybe many, who mean well, but the overall direction is wicked

I imagine it must be a bit like North Korea – people petrified of saying the wrong thing

326903 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 9, #348 of 1459 🔗

Spain to keep a list of vaccine refusers:


FFS they’re barely hiding it any more

326915 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to mattghg, 10, #349 of 1459 🔗

I’ve just seen in the DM that patients who have had the jab will be given a sticker with “I’ve had my COVID vaccination”. Again, despair ….

326917 ▶▶▶ PFD, replying to kh1485, 11, #350 of 1459 🔗

No doubt you will be able to buy a selection on eBay!

326959 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PFD, 15, #351 of 1459 🔗

already working on it
Every “certificate” that they issue – every app that they produce will be cloned copied and distributed
Never forget the Government is inept

326945 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to kh1485, 6, #352 of 1459 🔗

And a lolly

326962 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 5, #353 of 1459 🔗

Indeed. We’re all children now.

327032 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to DanClarke, #354 of 1459 🔗

Don’t you mean a “sweet”? Lol!

327110 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DanClarke, #355 of 1459 🔗

A special dick shaped lolly.

327716 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Two-Six, #356 of 1459 🔗

Is that any way to refer to our Prime Minister?

326946 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 5, #357 of 1459 🔗

Maybe you could give out stickers too – “I’ve had my COFFEE shot”. 🙂

326960 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to kh1485, 2, #358 of 1459 🔗

How much did this cost? you can put one on your fb or insta page thing, don’t suppose the money matters anymore…

“If you’re on Facebook, you can add our “I’ve had my COVID vaccination” sticker to your profile picture to help encourage others to get their vaccine. There are 3 versions – one for NHS staff and one for social care workers and one with no logo.

For those who use Instagram, you can add an animated version of the sticker to any Instagram Stories you might want to post.“

327021 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 5, #359 of 1459 🔗

How pathetic. There is no way I am going anywhere near this vaccine.

327065 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Janette, 5, #360 of 1459 🔗

Me neither but I have a nasty suspicion as to where this is going: the ostracising of the non-vaccinated.

327574 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kh1485, #361 of 1459 🔗

Ostracize the BBC. Stop funding them.

327598 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #362 of 1459 🔗

Already have. It’s usually at this time of year that they take out north of £150 from my bank account. But not this year, or any other for that matter …

327208 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 2, #363 of 1459 🔗

… and a digital version will be available to put on their social media

327571 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kh1485, #364 of 1459 🔗

J for Jab.

326944 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to mattghg, #365 of 1459 🔗


326995 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to mattghg, 4, #366 of 1459 🔗

The bit of me that still has faith in the system wonders if this register is a way of making sure that only those who definitely DON’T want the vaccine are not vaccinated i.e no vaccine-supplicant is overlooked/neglected, to later whinge about it. Quality control.
I was reading the thoughts of a Liberal Fascist yesterday who totally approved of such a register as a means of identifying refusers; naming and shaming those who fly abroad; imprisoning New Year revellers yada yada yada…total maniac. I truly hope I’m right – it can be easy to give in to reverse-hysteria and paranoia about ‘the system’ (they’ve given us plenty of reason, to) but if they have lost their sense of proportion, it’s vital that we keep ours.

326923 Felice, replying to Felice, 11, #367 of 1459 🔗

That Alaska airlines ad is a wonderful demonstration of how masks make people forget to social distance. At 22 secs in, the 3 cabin crew are standing right next to each other!!! Anyone would think that masks actually keep you safe from the virus!!!

326991 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Felice, 4, #368 of 1459 🔗

Alaska Airlines off my bucket list.

327028 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Felice, 3, #369 of 1459 🔗

Alaska airlines – who??……………..

326924 J Cook, replying to J Cook, 11, #370 of 1459 🔗

Here’s another montage of Newspaper front pages showing how the NHS is overwhelmed every winter. This image is from 

326929 ▶▶ J Cook, replying to J Cook, 9, #371 of 1459 🔗

This time from 2015

326925 ginny hall, 5, #372 of 1459 🔗


Just looked up a few statistics and wondered why there are fewer hospitals year on year for a bigger and bigger population.
Year 2000 there were 240,000 hospital beds in the U.K. for a population of just under 59 million.
Year 2020 there are 163,900 hospital beds in the U.K. for a population of nearly 68 million.
Over 76,000 fewer beds for approximately 9 million more people.
Does it have a lot of bearing in the current situation of the government claiming the NHS will be overwhelmed?

Kind regards
G. Hall

Sent from my iPad

326930 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 16, #373 of 1459 🔗

Went to the park yesterday with the kids here in tier 4 Hampshire.

I saw a large group having a picnic in the pretty cold, wet park. They were all face nappied up and distanced from one another. So these people were obviously true corona believers, but they were there breaking their own rules, which they probably whole heartedly support. This was obviously fine for them because they were wearing their magic face cloths.

I couldn’t decide if this was a positive or negative thing, on the one hand they were sort of disregarding the “rules”, on the other hand they clearly strongly believe in the COVID… It’s been a confusing year.

326940 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 14, #374 of 1459 🔗

They were just giving a practical demonstration of the adage “Mask on, brain off”.

326956 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 9, #375 of 1459 🔗

Pretty much. I had a strong urge to shout at them and tell them to take their stupid masks off and go and eat their picnic somewhere warm and dry.

Managed to refrain.

327120 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #376 of 1459 🔗

I am going to try to modify my face nappy tourettes issue by saying “Arse-Candles” or “Biscuits” when I come into close proximity with a maskhole.

I have tried making a noise like an old car horn too, that work well.

326965 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #377 of 1459 🔗

It is probably impossible not to break the rules, many of which are too hard and absurd to follow even for the true believers.

326987 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #378 of 1459 🔗

They introduced the Green Cross Code for children to use to cross the road safely after they found that the mantra I grew up with

“Look left
Look right,
If all is well go straight across”

apparently made children think this gave them special magic and made them safe from cars.

Universal maskurbation* seems to have the same effect.

* Word !

327026 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #379 of 1459 🔗

I’m looking forward to some really icy weather and seeing the first muzzled person peeling the skin from their face with their frozen on mask.

I can but dream…..

327170 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to dhid, 3, #380 of 1459 🔗

It would be nice to see!

327275 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #381 of 1459 🔗


327729 ▶▶ chris c, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #382 of 1459 🔗

Very disjointed here, when the original lockdown was eased there were about thirty people having a picnic in the park and singing happy birthday to one of the children.Made me smile.

The following day there were two people sitting at a picnic table with food and drink, both masked up.

326937 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 17, #383 of 1459 🔗

So Essex has declared a major incident. Seems to be caused by a lack of beds. Is that sun beds?

326974 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #384 of 1459 🔗

Essex Girls frequenting back street tanning salons.

327020 ▶▶ dhid, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #385 of 1459 🔗

Don’t they use paint-on tans these days? Must be other beds…. Lol!

327073 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #386 of 1459 🔗

I’ll bet they will try and say its because of xmas! And we will all smile because we know that’s impossible. It will be tier 6 for us in the land of fake tan, fake tits and puffy ducky lips. (And that’s just the men). Shut everything down, dissenters shot on site, only food will be KFC and McDonald’s delivered by meals on wheels. Only allowed out on Thursday night where we can stand outside and scream and clap for our fantastic NHS. Blessed are they!

327204 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #387 of 1459 🔗

Indeed – wonder why they failed so spectacularly to have prepare for the winter rush

327256 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #388 of 1459 🔗

That’s a lack of beds in their ”covid wards”. It’ll occur to them soon that they can just wheel in a few spare beds from other wards (there are lots) or even ! create more covid wards, since so many people are being contaminated while actually IN hospital, soon all their patients will be ”covid patients”.

327466 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #389 of 1459 🔗

I saw something somewhere about extra government funding if there is a “major incident”. If true I suppose it is just remotely possible that this is the real reason. Can anyone comment?

326942 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 17, #390 of 1459 🔗

Even relatively intelligent people seem unable to realise that pneumonia has disappeared this year.

327030 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DanClarke, 5, #391 of 1459 🔗

And flu

326957 houdini, 5, #392 of 1459 🔗

Please make you voice heard at an anti lockdown demo this weekend many all over UK including Shrewsbury ‘Saturday 2nd January at Quarry park 1.00 .

Good interview with Dr John Lee on Mark Dolan Talk Radio this morning and Richard Tice who called Wancock a liar on air over false claims Nightmare hospitals

326961 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 15, #393 of 1459 🔗

Matt Hancock on Talk Radio ten minutes ago said that the Nightingale hospitals were on standby and hadn’t been dismantled.

He’s either woefully uninformed or blatantly lying.
He also denied they were a waste of money.

One wonders if he’s just living in a parallel universe to the rest of us.

326967 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to LMS2, 5, #394 of 1459 🔗

Where did they get that photo the other day of him standing in an empty dismantled Nightingale ‘hospital

326971 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DanClarke, #395 of 1459 🔗

From the set of the empty Hospital episode of Yes Prime Minister.

326979 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to karenovirus, 1, #396 of 1459 🔗

He should be more careful, as now it looks as if he was having a photo op in a dismantled Nightingale Hospital

326998 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to DanClarke, 4, #397 of 1459 🔗

Good question.

So we’re going with the barefaced liar option??

327067 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to DanClarke, #398 of 1459 🔗

Perhaps when it was half-built rather than semi-dismantled.

327077 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to LMS2, #399 of 1459 🔗

No I think only the london one (you know where the current increase is). I think all the others are still open?

327101 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to LMS2, 4, #400 of 1459 🔗

I thought that with the exception of London, the English ones were all still there, and repurposed. So technically on standby.
Wales have decommissioned approx. 50% of theirs, including Principality Stadium.
(The use of the Principality always struck me as something that could hurt the Welsh psyche – so much of their identity tied up in rugby union and that stadium, at the heart of so many dreams and triumphs, potentially becoming a place of death…. BTW as an Englishman I want the Welsh team to recover their glory-days. RU needs them to be at their best.)

It was all theatre as there never were staff for the Nightingale/Enfys hospitals.
(Increasingly I think what we are experiencing is Theatre of The Absurd – loads of noise, no communication, no agency, life reduced to meaningless existence, repeat….)

326968 DeepBlueYonder, 1, #401 of 1459 🔗

I am trying to forumulate a FOI request and have a question for anyone here with medical expertise.

Given that, as I understand it, there are no approved phramaceutical treatments/therapies for Covid-19, if someone with no underlying conditions is in hospital solely on the basis that they have Covid-19, would they by definition be in an acute care bed?

326970 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 15, #402 of 1459 🔗

You will not see this very important article published today, peer revied in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine. This is a main stream publication but not the top ones NewEngJM and Lancet as they have to think of Big Pharma. This is a massive study telling physicians how to treat C-19 with a multiple drug regime .57 authors all over the world but mostly US.

MSM/BBC is at the moment only concentrating on vaccines and everybody knows that many hundred thousand will die before and if any vaccines have the effect of stopping transmission. Treatment nihilism is very dangerous. UK physicians use parts of this multiple treatment approach but certainly not the antiviral therapies suggested. This is because MSM/BBC/UK Medical establishment has been instructed to dismiss this treatment (which they have done from the beginning) to protect the market for Big Pharma.
If you go into AP fact checking, it says that Ivermectin is “fake treatment”.
The whole thing is a utter disgrace even if you believe that safe vaccine would have a place and unsafer vaccines (the current ones) still would have a place in selected high risk groups. How can they start denying the best treatment available for the ones already in our hospitals?


On page 522 you can see a flowchart of the multiple drugs to be used including Ivermectin,HCQ,AZT,Doxycyclin in different combinations. Also for people <50 which get worsening of symptoms

 “ A multipronged therapeutic approach includes 1) adjuvant nutraceuticals, 2) combination intracellular anti-infective therapy, 3) inhaled/oral corticosteroids, 4) antiplatelet agents/anticoagulants, 5) supportive care including supplemental oxygen, monitoring, and telemedicine.

327004 ▶▶ V, replying to swedenborg, 4, #403 of 1459 🔗

AP think they are more well informed than the Dr. who testified in the US senate on behalf of his world class medical team about the use of Ivermectin?

I can’t say I’m surprised at AP’s hubris and lies.

I’m glad that this episode has made our real enemies more obvious to at least a few more people, though the great unwashed persist in their ignorance by way of intellectual laziness and profound gullibility.

327016 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to V, 8, #404 of 1459 🔗

The early treatment protocol could potentially have saved 300 000 lives in the US. Even if we would think that would be overstated, thousands of lives would have been saved if the US followed India, Pakistan and Bangladesh in treatment. (not attractive for the hybris of High Tech US to follow Third World Countries)

Why? Big Pharma. From the beginning Big Pharma said that any investment in vaccines would not be done unless they were to be given EAU to stop both the liability and need for long time studies. EAU would never be given if there were to be an available cheap drug that could ameliorate the disease.

Fauci knew that HCQ had an effect on coronavirus but quickly changed tack when he was in command. The Medical Establishment in the US (dictating the West’s response) would do it uttermost to discredit any drug for treatment as much as possible. It was now a race to develop vaccines before any dangerous cheap drug could be available which would hinder EAU. Big Pharma won the race. Most of the innovators of mRNA vaccines are now multimillionaires and Bio Tech shares are rallying. The biggest irony of all is that Big Pharma had the backing of the new left(not old fashioned true Marxists),MSM,BBC.

327029 ▶▶▶▶ V, replying to swedenborg, 8, #405 of 1459 🔗

Unfettered criminal corruption leading to widespread human rights abuses and mass-manslaughter. It seems the healthcare industry is keen to compete with the military-armaments complex.

327663 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to V, #406 of 1459 🔗

Do vaccines cost less to make than nuclear weapons?

326982 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #407 of 1459 🔗

Excellent update today. Some gems in there. The 6 to 4 bed reduction in NHS bays is something I ha dheard of but wondered of the exact number. It fits with the numbers in Northern Ireland where normal beds are around 5300, but the daily Covid dashboard says capacity is at 2800

327002 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #408 of 1459 🔗

The reduction in bed capacity caused by the NHS having to obey the rules is serious but the press do not mention it. It also affects outpatient services. I fought (and won!) to keep my service running, but instead of offering 8 x 30 minute appointments in a clinic we had to leave half an hour between patients, so capacity was halved. This time round is normal 30 min appointments. Patients are also contacted by phone and email for advice, but whatever Matt says, a virtual consultation is simply not as safe as assessing the person properly, face to face.

327010 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to TJS123, 7, #409 of 1459 🔗

GPs are sending patients to us for face to face consultations, which resulted in me sending two to A&E yesterday because a remote consultation wouldn’t have picked up a possible pulmonary embolism or possible Kawasaki in a child.

326988 Bruce Reynolds, 15, #410 of 1459 🔗

Well unfortunately over the Xmas period certain individuals in my area once again perpetrated an orgy of destruction on all things covid, the local test center was trashed, signage in the town center destroyed/defaced, covid Marshalls car had all windows put in and tram line’s in paint work.. some of the louts were wearing Donald Trump masks, so if you happen to see person’s fitting this description please phone 999 asap….

326990 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 15, #411 of 1459 🔗


“Britain has reported a record rise in the number of daily coronavirus cases, with 53,135 new cases today.
The figures show a 20 per cent increase on the previous daily record which was set on Monday. The number of daily deaths was 414, an increase on Monday’s total of 357”

Out of how many tests? And adjusted for false positives? About 93 then. And how many deaths from other respiratory illnesses & pneumonia?

Still hovering around …. none?

Lies, damn lies, and this shit.

327668 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to James Leary #KBF, #412 of 1459 🔗

Scraping the bottom of the barrel for headlines and more fearmongering.

327008 p02099003, #413 of 1459 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC8ObD2W4Rk&t=423s Vincent Racianello explains why the new variant is unimportant.

327013 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #414 of 1459 🔗

Lol….They really are scraping the barrel now.

If you want a laugh, it mentions,

“The pandemic has not created a super strain of gonorrhea, nor do we have evidence of rising cases yet.

But experts told Insider the over-prescription of antibiotics — either in attempts to treat COVID-19 or to treat related infections — could be making the STI more resistant to treatment.

Super-gonorrhea is not more severe or transmissible than gonorrhea, but has fewer treatment options”


What next? Gigantic genital warts because of the big scary virus???

Man, I am actually falling about laughing at this utter nonsense.

327035 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #415 of 1459 🔗

Not only that but the actual higher death rates seen in European countries could be down to widespread medication for things like heart disease, which boosts ACE2 in the body.

327071 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #416 of 1459 🔗

Super-gonorrhea? That could be a sore point.

327014 Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 3, #417 of 1459 🔗

Referring to the ABL line mention of misattribution. All bar one other causes below 5 year averages for November 2020:

327024 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, #418 of 1459 🔗

I’m sure this has been asked and answered before but I can’t find it.
In the UK what is the best guess of the % of deaths with covid versus from covid, please?

327038 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to arfurmo, #419 of 1459 🔗

800 deaths or there abouts. 350 approx under 60


327056 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #420 of 1459 🔗

Thanks but I more thinking along the lines of (say) 70000 deaths where Coivd was mentioned on the death cert. How many of of the 7-0k were of covid rather than where covid was present.

327031 steve_w, replying to steve_w, #421 of 1459 🔗

ONS data out

all cause deaths hasn’t been this high since weekending 10 Jan 2020 (apart from spring peak)

327091 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to steve_w, 1, #422 of 1459 🔗

The excess deaths may just be decadal variation. Or it may be the start of the lockdown signal. I suspect using PCR a lot of these are handily attributed to Covid.

327033 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #423 of 1459 🔗

If this is true in this newly published preprint, why are we culling millions of mink? (Btw seeing deaths C-19  in NL less than half of neighbouring  Belgium, perhaps we are seeing a natural experiment?)
 https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.23.424267v1 SARS-CoV-2 mutations among minks show reduced lethality and infectivity to humans “Some mink-derived variants infected humans, which accounted for 40% of the total SARS-CoV-2 cases in the Netherlands. These variants appear to be less lethal and infective compared to those in humans. Variants that have mutated further among minks were not found in humans. Such mink-virus might be suitable for vaccination for humans, such as in the case of the smallpox virus, which is less infective and toxic to humans.

327244 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to swedenborg, 2, #424 of 1459 🔗

Because we’ve become medieval. Just like our forebears decided wolves, bears, boar etc. were vermin coronaviruses must be destroyed whatever now.

327037 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 14, #425 of 1459 🔗

Spoke to a friend last night who’s not a full on zealot but abides by the rules. He was saying in passing conversation that he doesn’t like visiting his daughter’s now because she lives on a “Covid aware” street, where the neighbours spy on each other and he doesn’t want to get reported.

It’s now civic pride to report any incorrect Covid activities and they say we don’t live in a police state.

327054 ▶▶ V, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #426 of 1459 🔗

The servile groupthink of the flock, they must cling desperatly to their hyper-reality lest they become enlightened and shunned by the other animals. And don’t forget to send Boxer to the glue factory.

327238 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Smelly Melly, #427 of 1459 🔗

It isn’t a police state, it’s much worse. Dodgy heavy handed police can be avoided. General ‘concerned citizens’, spies, interferers, snitches etc. can’t. It’s only a short step to witch trials.

327039 steve_w, replying to steve_w, #428 of 1459 🔗

I still think daily new infections will peak in the next few days – data from kcl zoe app

327046 ▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 2, #429 of 1459 🔗

Already has peaked in London and by specimen date. The only “record high” is the reporting lag from the massive Christmas backlog.

327042 davews, 3, #430 of 1459 🔗

A little late reading the blog this morning, had a small disaster in that the room thermostat on my central heating failed last night. Fortunately I found our local plumbing shop open, presumably classed as essential, and they had a new one. Heating working again….

After my outburst on another forum last night there were a flurry of comments like ‘cant believe what I am reading here’ and ‘I follow the media, they are excellent’. And of course how great the NHS are and how they are totally overloaded. Will let them simmer for a while.

As to the NHS, I ordered online my repeat prescriptions yesterday, they have not been approved yet. So I may find myself on the blower to them next week as to what on earth is going on. If they don’t have time to tick a box for my blood pressure tabs there is no hope.

327043 kev, replying to kev, 2, #431 of 1459 🔗



Someone please save us from these imbeciles

I’m with Einstein:

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.

Concern for man and his fate must always form the chief interest of all technical endeavors. Never forget this in the midst of your diagrams and equations.

Some help for todays expected announcements

Synonyms of projection:


327057 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kev, 3, #432 of 1459 🔗

Not forgetting ‘modelling’. Where would we be without it?

327059 ▶▶ V, replying to kev, 4, #433 of 1459 🔗

Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”

Please accept my sincere one-man standing ovation for your timely observation. I could not possibly agree more.

327044 Mark, replying to Mark, 4, #434 of 1459 🔗

the total number of patients in hospital with Covid as the principle diagnosis is approaching the spring peak in some areas, but not all

This needs clarifying I think.

Of the around 20k reportedly in hospital “treated for covid”, how many are in hospital only to be treated for covid? How many are in hospital for other reasons and have a positive test result? Is the 20k figure proper diagnoses or just positive test results?

327079 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mark, 3, #435 of 1459 🔗

The test result is the diagnosis, WHO defines a case as a positive test result for the SARS-CoV-2 virus. What signs and symptoms define CoViD19 specifically? What differentiates CoViD19 from influenza? I suspect the answer to both these questions is nothing. Which is why flu has all but disappeared from the numbers, simply because everyone with the symptoms is testing positive due to an over sensitive test procedure and flu is being wrongly attributed as CoViD19.

327086 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to p02099003, 5, #436 of 1459 🔗

I’m not medical but I’ve been saying this since March. Probably because I’ve seen this time and again in my career as physicist/engineer. It always comes down to data. You need to measure things properly and make sure you can measure with sufficient precision to tell the difference. None of this happened with Covid.

It’s also why I think there was a shallow peak due to what has been called Covid in March to April. The Covid condition could be a combination of many things but not that much to get worried about. Unfortunate and sad for those who die of it but then people die every day. I’m with Denis Rancourt about the spike though. That looks induced.

327111 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to p02099003, 2, #437 of 1459 🔗

The test result is the diagnosis

This clearly shouldn’t be true, and didn’t one of AwkwardGit’s FOIs state that this was not the case officially? Test results are routinely (and falsely) described as “cases” loosely – this point is often raised btl here, but they should never be counted as formal diagnoses.

And there’s clearly a huge difference between people routinely tested and getting a positive result versus “patients in hospital with Covid as the principle diagnosis” or people “being treated in hospital for covid”. But what do the numbers reported refer to?

The doctor’s analysis atl today seems to imply that the 20k number so much hyped in the press might be “patients in hospital with Covid as the principle diagnosis” rather than just test results. But is it?

And if they are formal diagnoses, why are they seemingly not reported:



327186 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mark, 3, #438 of 1459 🔗

I have been wondering about the NOIDS data, then I noticed, by chance, something on a patient’s notes yesterday. The patient had tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, alongside this was the phrase:
PHE informed no Infectious Disease notification required”.

327859 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to p02099003, #439 of 1459 🔗

I’m told that prob just relates to the fact that the testing lab will have reported it to PHE already. Which leaves our question about notification number unanswered….

327049 Nobody2020, 7, #440 of 1459 🔗

Just knocked up this rudimentary chart showing what we could have done and what we actually got…

327055 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #441 of 1459 🔗

A new study suggests that approximately 500000 were infected in Wuhan, which is 10 times the official figure according to the BBC website https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55481397

However the most significant line in the report is:

“Asymptomatic cases are not counted in China’s official case tally.”

Communist China is more honest with its counting than the liberal west.

327066 ▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 10, #442 of 1459 🔗

Not sure if honesty is the motive – I think it’s more the case that having realised it wasn’t the black death/having scared the rest of the world (take your pick) they had no intention of ruining their country for covid

327085 ▶▶ leggy, replying to p02099003, 4, #443 of 1459 🔗

China in conforming to medical convention by not claiming that people with no symptoms represent cases shocker. There’s a headline we won’t be seeing any time soon.

327058 DanClarke, 1, #444 of 1459 🔗

We are all commodities now, the more jabs the more lucrative the commodity

327062 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #445 of 1459 🔗

Gorvernment actions reduced the NHS capacity to deal with winter needs.

Rather than increase capacity they decided it would be better to reduce the need for people to use the NHS in the first place.

Sound about right?

327064 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #446 of 1459 🔗

Sort of, except they’ve almost certainly increased the need by reducing capacity and postponing treatments this year

327068 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 14, #447 of 1459 🔗

Was it really ‘3 weeks to flatten the curve’ or ‘3 years to flatten the human spirit’?

327076 ▶▶ V, replying to Old Bill, 3, #448 of 1459 🔗

Flattening the human spirit is just collateral damage for a scam so large that Enron, HSBC, Madoff and Ponzi should hang their collective heads in shame forevermore.

327102 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Old Bill, 1, #449 of 1459 🔗

It may well have been sincere at the start but once they realised what people would accept they just kept on going.

327069 steve_w, #450 of 1459 🔗

my brother in law keeps saying we should do what Germany has done

I assume he means luckily miss out on the first wave because it came there too late and was suppressed by summer


latest daily deaths 1244 – higher than the UK’s first wave peak

327074 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #451 of 1459 🔗

So, Handycock’s saying tougher measures in England to be announced later. How on earth can they be tougher and what does the government expect the population to do?

327081 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #452 of 1459 🔗

Lovely jubbly.

I don’t care how they spin it. As predicted and stated many, many times by sceptics, this evidences a complete failure of the Tier system (aka lockdowns). They simply don’t work.

327084 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #453 of 1459 🔗

But at what point do a significant part of the population cease complying, and cease complying so openly that the state has to react – either by backing down or doing stuff like shooting people? This is the logic of the situation. Maybe Handyock is really that stupid, or may be he really is that evil. So much for a “Happy New Year.”

327093 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Londo Mollari, #454 of 1459 🔗

They only cease complying when their fear dissipates sufficiently.

327145 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #455 of 1459 🔗

Or when there is no longer a carrot of hope. All the time people have hope, even a little, that their life will go back to normal, then they’ll comply.

327096 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #456 of 1459 🔗

I don’t know the answer to that but will add it is not just the lockdown but also the T&T app, mass freely-available testing, the reorganisation of the NHS etc etc. All a complete waste of time and failure by anyone’s standards.


327103 ▶▶▶▶ V, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #457 of 1459 🔗

“But at what point do a significant part of the population cease complying, and cease complying so openly that the state has to react..”

I have no faith that this will happen. Nothing I have seen this year would suggest that this would be so.

We are seeing the results of 100 years of perfected propaganda, the spirit of freedom is utterly crushed, the value of personal sovereignty rendered worthless and undesirable.

To imagine that we here are some manner of meaningful resistance spearheading a mass enlightenment is egoic fantasy. We are merely the collectors and curators of quaint bygone notions, our countrymen have no use for us, save for their entertainment and mockery.

“Resistance is futile”

327182 ▶▶▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to V, 1, #458 of 1459 🔗

I’m afraid I agree wholeheartedly.

327691 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to PompeyJunglist, #459 of 1459 🔗

Long live the Resistance!

327169 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Londo Mollari, #460 of 1459 🔗

He’s tightening the screw, pushing the wedge a bit further, because he knows he’ll get away with.

327697 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, #461 of 1459 🔗

I hope that his screwdriver breaks from overuse.

327082 Morris_Day, replying to Morris_Day, 18, #462 of 1459 🔗

I can’t believe anyone is truly belieivng anything that comes out of an NHS executive. They have a once in a generation to secure their future for the rest of their careers, and where the tide was starting to turn against their inefficiencies and waste – still the largest employer in Europe? – the average person now worships the ground they work on.
You would be a fool to let that go.

The next ten years will see billions more pumped into the system. They can see it and they will say whatever helps that become a reality. Bed numbers without context, deaths without cause given, a mandate to make people without symptoms ‘cases’.
They don’t care if Aunt Edna gets Covid or not, this is about ensuring their future and the future of their machine.
The NHS needs to be split and huge chunks of it made private, run by people accountable, however, that’s not going to happen now.

327088 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Morris_Day, 6, #463 of 1459 🔗

Corruption doesn’t even touch it

327106 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Morris_Day, 5, #464 of 1459 🔗

Conversations I have had with people in the know confirm this – a lot of this is an NHS power grab

327113 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Morris_Day, 7, #465 of 1459 🔗

I honestly can’t see why the Swiss concept of “compulsory health insurance, income-related, public and private both available, you can choose” is regarded with such disdain in Britain. It produces a health service that is responsive, efficient, cooperative and accountable. And it’s fairer than the British model, under which the humble taxpayer funds Marcus Rashford’s (to name a random millionaire) healthcare unless he chooses to go private.

327141 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #466 of 1459 🔗

It apparently costs 13-14% of GDP. It’s the closest Europe gets to the infamous US system (costing 18%).

Ours (costing 8-9%) had the internal market and never really recovered.

Sweden, Canada, Iceland and so on have government-run systems with a lot of decentralisation, for routine care anyway. Less expensive than Switzerland’s.

327202 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #467 of 1459 🔗

All new immigrants, unless they work for the health service, have to pay £624 per person p.a. (so a family of 4 pays £2496) as contribution to the health service, on top of their NI.
I think I would be at my doctors every week to get my money worth’s.

327217 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Silke David, #468 of 1459 🔗

Good luck with getting one F2F appointment

327271 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #469 of 1459 🔗

Yes, this is the sort of thing we should have, and I suspect that if the Rona scam is fully revealed (with the NHS’s shameful part in it), public opinion will move in that direction.

327083 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 31, #470 of 1459 🔗

At least in 2020 we had a normal January, February and early March, and then late March, April and early May the thought that maybe we’d return to normal. So there was some hope.

2021 will have none of that. The whole year will be cyclical lockdowns and further eroding of our freedom. No part of the country will ever be in anything better than tier 2.
So the morons who still haven’t woken up and think 2021 will be a better year and think any normality is returning are in for a shock.

327112 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Hubes, 14, #471 of 1459 🔗

I have cancelled New Year’s Eve. I’ve always found the mindless jubilation at the advent of – finally! – our perfect, unsullied future idiotic. Three seconds after midnight, the first murder is committed, when some fucker sings the words “for the sake of Auld Lang Syne” and I have to kill them. Mere hours into the new year half the population of the west is floored by a ghastly hangover, and it won’t be long before Piers Morgan’s first tweet farts into the pristine atmosphere. Everything is immediately just as shit as it always was. Last year at this time I was in Hua Hin and on New Year’s Eve I wandered the beach at midnight enjoying the fireworks (while in Pattaya a drunken Englishman blew himself up with his first New Year firecracker, winning 2020’s first Darwin Award). I think back to those beach celebrants and wonder what they make of the awesome 2020 now. The notion that there’s anything to celebrate tomorrow night is laughable. I’m going to cook a red curry of duck, watch American Horror Story (literally, I mean, not the latest news about the incoming administration) and go to bed when I get tired,

327138 ▶▶▶ V, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #472 of 1459 🔗


Indeed, one of the benefits of this current absurdity has been the disruption to all of the hollow conformist rituals that compel us to talk to people whose intellectual persuits extend no further than the complex and deeply fascinating machinations of the Bake Off contestants.

Watching the extroverts melt down through validation starvation has also been particularly gratifying.

327357 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to V, 1, #473 of 1459 🔗

The melting down of “celebrities” has been particularly pleasing.

327163 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Hubes, 9, #474 of 1459 🔗

That is spot on, I’ve overheard people say ‘in the spring when we can’ and ‘when most of us have had the vaccine’ and they actually believe it. Boy are they in for a shock.

327207 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 3, #475 of 1459 🔗

The current advertising campaigns by travel organisations make me laugh.
Ok, they always advertise heavily around this year, but still. Do people really feel confident to book a holiday now?
Well, I guess most sheeple will have been vaccinated by then and expect they can enjoy a restriction free holiday and won’t mind wearing a face covering in the plane.

327211 ▶▶ George L, replying to Hubes, #476 of 1459 🔗

Absolutely right.. and the bastards have the plans for the next so called pandemic just waiting to be rolled out.. SPARS 2025-2028.. SPARS PANDEMIC SCENARIO 2025-2028 “WELCOME TO YOUR FUTURE!”

327087 danny, replying to danny, 18, #477 of 1459 🔗

The only way to fight this is to bombard the public with facts. Posters on every bus stop and outside supermarkets etc.
Not emotive. Not mocking. No 5G conspiracies or chinese world domination. Nothing to divide the message or be seen as crazy.
Most people I speak to are utterly unaware of the 99.7% survival rate, the comparable bed occupancy for other years, or the recent studies showing 0% chance of being asymptomatic and yet dangerous.

327104 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to danny, 17, #478 of 1459 🔗

If they are too lazy and ignorant to have done any research in 9 months then they will not change now. You are either a person who thinks for themselves or you’re not. They don’t want the facts otherwise they’d know them by now.

327109 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Hubes, 12, #479 of 1459 🔗

Exactly. Also, until they feel the pain in their wallets, they will be happy to go along with the status quo.

327142 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 11, #480 of 1459 🔗

The only way they will take notice is if everything is shut, no sport, no buses or trains, no supermarkets, no TV, no internet, no banks, no access to money.

The majority are slaves to the internet and when they can no longer communicate, shop, bank and spread lies they might wake up.

At the moment the sheople wear their mask for a few minutes, run around the supermarket and then sit indoors drinking wine, moaning on FB and Twitter about the idiot people who don’t SD or wear a mask, watch Netflix and premiership football and zoom.

Maybe we need the z list celebrities to be hit in the pocket and suffer for their participation in the covid puppet show.

I think we have a very small window to save humanity otherwise that’s it, sorry I can’t be any more optimistic. I will continue to fight, not conform and try to wake people up.

327319 ▶▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to stefarm, 1, #481 of 1459 🔗

Third paragraph hit the spot.

327119 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Hubes, 22, #482 of 1459 🔗

Extract from genuine conversation with my sceptic pal’s bedwetter wife:

ME: “I’m not saying there isn’t a virus, but they are lying to us now about the severity”
SHE: “You are off with David Icke”
ME: “No, I’m quoting facts – their own figures”
SHE: “I don’t feel informed enough to say…”
ME: “Then go and look at the facts for your self”
SHE: “I don’t want to”


327160 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #483 of 1459 🔗

They ALL say that.

327216 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #484 of 1459 🔗

Exactly what my traditional medicine critic, stay at home mum of one, a-level educated sister said.

She did not have the time?!?!?!

327250 ▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Silke David, 1, #485 of 1459 🔗

Frightened of thinking for themselves.

327428 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Sam Vimes, #486 of 1459 🔗

How about quoting cases where the government is known to have lied to further their own interests, against those of the people?

Iraq dodgy dossier springs to mind as an obvious one. If the idea “the government lies abut big stuff” is replanted, it could encourage a few to reconsider their position

327131 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Hubes, 8, #487 of 1459 🔗

This is a good point but I think that if enough information is presented it could effect a change of opinion. I often use the term sheeple, it is meant to be derisory but it is also very accurate. If the sheeple see that there might be a breakaway herd of sufficient size they may follow what their brain has been suppressing. The thing that makes them shut down their conscious brains is the fear of going alone against the herd.

I think the thing that makes us sceptics different and less susceptible to the propaganda is that we don’t care if we go against the herd.

327140 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #488 of 1459 🔗


Not everyone will be persuaded, but we don’t need everyone

I disagree that everyone’s mind is made up. I changed mine (admittedly early on).

Propaganda works – and works both ways. The enemy have a head start and better resources but we have truth and human nature on our side – ours is a positive story

No guarantee it would work but worth a try – and there are no other plausible options – changing public opinion is the only way out of this

327349 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #489 of 1459 🔗

Also agree.
If I see the herd going one way, my instinct is to go the other. I bet most people here would say the same.

327105 ▶▶ Julian, replying to danny, 3, #490 of 1459 🔗

It’s what is most needed and has been most lacking

I’ve tried to persuade some millionaires to fund it but not takers so far

Simon Dolan raised £400,000k for his legal case from crowdfunding and I am sure sceptics would be happy to do the same for such a campaign – leaflets weekly to every home, ads everywhere etc – but it needs some rich backers to start it off, as Dolan did with the legal case

We (I) sometimes expect people to just come over to our side because the truth is so obvious, but the fact is they have been bombarded with propaganda on an unprecedented scale and it would be strange if that didn’t have a major impact

327118 ▶▶ l835, replying to danny, 20, #491 of 1459 🔗

The trouble with facts is that the government would dismiss them as fake news and 99% of the population will accept it. Also, the majority of people working from home/furloughed are overwhelmingly happy with the situation. Everyone wearing a tissue on their face is convinced they are on a par with a surgeon and personally saving the NHS. Add to that the collaborators who are enjoying the power trip. We live in a country of morons.

327126 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to l835, 5, #492 of 1459 🔗

Agree completely that we now seem to live in a country of morons, and with the other comment effectively saying the same.
But until we tackle this, until people can be awoken, then we will have to live with this, albeit telling everyone that we have not drunk the cool-aid ourselves.
Yes people have formed opinions whilst proudly declaring their lack of scrutiny. But they are the majority.

327150 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to danny, 6, #493 of 1459 🔗

I think all we can do is stay strong and wait. When the restrictions are suffocating, when the money runs out and when granny dies despite having had the jab, only then will the pennies start dropping.

327728 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to l835, #494 of 1459 🔗

Pennies from Rishi,

327127 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to l835, 12, #495 of 1459 🔗

The two major obstacles we face are:

  1. The pleblic believe anything the government tells them.
  2. The pleblic don’t think the government would lie to them – even after countless election promises, the referendum etc.
327133 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to danny, 3, #496 of 1459 🔗

They won’t listen
Let them get hoist by their own petard
Protect yourself and yours – it’s the only way

327200 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #497 of 1459 🔗

Part of me is with you.
But I cannot stand by and just watch this happen. Not for myself, not seeing what it has done and continues to do to my usually level headed Dad, and certainly not for my daughter and her generation.
Yes I am angry that a majority have either fallen for this fear at worst, or have just looked the other way, but I don’t want to end up living in a bubble any more than I think they should. Different bubble, same end.

327135 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to danny, 2, #498 of 1459 🔗

Emotions tend to trump facts when it comes to death (or the concept of saving lives).

You can tell people that flying is one of the safest forms of transport (fact) but whenever there’s a plane crash they immediately think it’s dangerous.

327194 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to danny, 4, #499 of 1459 🔗

Unfortunately there’s no cure for stupid and from what I’ve seen there’s a lot of it about.

327199 ▶▶ George L, replying to danny, #500 of 1459 🔗

Danny.. tell them that ‘weapons of mass destruction Bliar’ is on the case, and wants them to have an armful of poison asap..

327201 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to danny, 1, #501 of 1459 🔗

The message should focus on how inhuman people are/ became to shun their families / close contact / all things that makes us human. These people are truly despicable

327092 Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 4, #502 of 1459 🔗

Not much SD going on in Val d’Isere. People still finding ways to ski and enjoy the mountains despite the lifts being closed:


327094 DanClarke, 13, #503 of 1459 🔗

I do not comply at all, but it is restricting, I’ve decided if I’ve dodged the other 18 more serious diseases than covid, by the time I reach 82, I may think about the covid vax.

327098 suitejb, replying to suitejb, 16, #504 of 1459 🔗

In our local town yesterday we were approached by someone raising money for kidney research and wanting us to sign up. We politely declined but as I walked away I thought of all the millions of pounds that have been squandered by the government in the last few months without any thought, planning or accountability, for a relatively mild virus which is seriously affecting a tiny % of the population. What that money could do to fund research into the truly horrible diseases and conditions that damage people of all ages far more than Covid ever will. To truly despicable.

327137 ▶▶ Julian, replying to suitejb, 8, #505 of 1459 🔗

A very powerful argument

Ask lockdown and vaccine zealots to consider what could have been done with the trillions spent globally in developing treatments and prevention for cancer and other diseases that kill people of all ages

327155 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Julian, 3, #506 of 1459 🔗

Julian.. I think they’d be too dumb to answer. One circuit of the goldfish-bowl is all they can deal with..

327175 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to George L, 1, #507 of 1459 🔗

Some, maybe

But I know people with the intelligence to process information like this and consider it, who have swallowed the narrative through laziness and the subconscious desire to avoid the conclusion that the world has gone mad, who may start to doubt things

It’s disheartening but plugging away is all we have

327180 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Julian, 12, #508 of 1459 🔗

Well to cheer you up I have this. I called into a tyre depot yesterday to have a puncture fixed. None of the young lads were wearing masks and were doing what young lads do when working together.. having a crack.

I got talking to the lad who was repairing my tyre and asked him what he thought of the covid thing.. He replied.. “Bullshit” and then went on to describe customers coming in like scared rabbits in the headlights. I smiled as I left. A small oasis of normality for my day..

327737 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to George L, 1, #509 of 1459 🔗

Stop calling them dumb and start enabling them to become more intelligent.

327108 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #510 of 1459 🔗

How would we know whether Gates et al promised a million here or there to our leaders to do their bidding? They/he could give it years down the line.. or hide or launder it in other ways. Everyone has a price.

327122 ▶▶ V, replying to chaos, 1, #511 of 1459 🔗

You can be asured that there will be plenty of kickbacks for including such a handsome payout to the Gates foundation in the latest US Covid relief package. The real bribery is happening at a sovereign level via the World Bank, though this is essentially just the death rattle of the global fiat Ponzi.

327738 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to V, #512 of 1459 🔗

Money laundering on a global scale. Every minute of every day.

327132 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, 3, #513 of 1459 🔗

Tony Blair is now a multi millionaire after the Iraq war.Just saying

327151 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #514 of 1459 🔗

Tony “The cottager” Blair needs to be front and centre 24/7
Corona champion extraordinaire
The man is toxic

327172 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Crystal Decanter, #515 of 1459 🔗

Cadaverous lying genocidal psychopath Tony Blair formerly known as “Miranda”.

327176 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Two-Six, #516 of 1459 🔗

An admirable title for the POS..

327152 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to jonathan Palmer, #517 of 1459 🔗

Yeah, and still a lying, murdering bastard too. Given that Bliar is now promoting injecting the populace asap I just wonder if some at least will begin to question the efficacy of this obvious planned genocide. Somehow I doubt it!

327114 mj, replying to mj, 1, #518 of 1459 🔗

covid and football
earlier someone quoted fat Sam Allardyce saying there should be a covid firebreak for football (after WBA were stuffed 5-0 by Leeds)
After the game (broadcast by Amazon) a pundit also said that Leeds were only promoted because of Covid (in that the break last season benefited the team otherwise they would have burnt out) Leeds owner places a mocking tweet . And a twitter shit storm follows .
See Guardian coverage (because no paywall) and then links therein to twitter

Just a reflection on football , covid . the woke agenda (the pundit was female so allegations of sexism ) and the cesspit that is twitter .

327129 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mj, 1, #519 of 1459 🔗

Sheffield Utd manager also calling for it.Both teams are in the bottom 3.Covid is the cover for everything

327205 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to mj, 2, #520 of 1459 🔗

Football won’t stop again. They’d lose too much money. That’s why all professional sports started back up worldwide ASAP whilst we were (and still are) in lockdown.

It all comes down to money, but the clubs and players will be in for a shock when the next tv deal comes around and it’s for a loss less money because nobody is watching.

327117 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 17, #521 of 1459 🔗

This must be one of the most important, amongst a large number, of indictments thrown up by this national weird out:

‘So quite clearly, a winter resurgence has been a known risk since May.

There have been six months to train extra ICU nurses to treat a known disease process.

Six months to upskill already trained staff to enhance their capabilities and confidence.

Six months to plan redeployment of staff from other duties to Covid wards.

Six months to run tabletop exercises, to practice organisational and logistics drills, to stress test contingency plans in the event of predictable problems such as rising staff sickness rates.

Six months to expand overall surge capacity.

Six months to plan rest and support for our most exposed people, so they are psychologically ready for the winter upsurge.

Surely, our NHS cannot be as poorly prepared for winter COVID as it was in the spring?

Surely, with six months to prepare, our experienced NHS managers must be confident in their ability to cope with a predictable risk without the system being ‘overwhelmed’?

Surely, after six months of preparation, the British public has a right to expect that our healthcare system should be in a position to manage winter pressures’

Funding certainly provides zero excuse this winter; nowhere to hide; the tired old excuses rumbled for what they always were, a smokescreen to hide low calibre bureaucratic incompetence, indolence and indifference on an industrial scale.

The case has never been more clear, incontrovertible, for root and branch reform of the National Health Service.

We even know what to do: simply look across the English Channel.

‘Like the NHS, SHI (social health insurance) systems also achieve universal access to healthcare, albeit in a different way, namely through a combination of means-tested insurance premium subsidies, community rating and risk structure compensation. Unlike in the US, there is therefore no uninsured population (even homeless people have health insurance), and there is no such thing as a ‘medical bankruptcy’. When it comes to providing high-quality healthcare to the poor, these systems are second to none: in this respect, there is nothing the NHS has achieved which the SHI systems have not also achieved. In terms of outcomes, quality and efficiency, social health insurance systems are consistently ahead of the NHS on almost every available measure.’


327128 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #522 of 1459 🔗

Problem isn’t necessarily staffing numbers or training, though increased levels would help, it’s staff off isolating due to positive tests or home looking after children that have had positive tests. Drop PCR and alot of these issues go away.

Also the way wards are now setup with covid and non covid, with staff assigned to either or.

327189 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Wolver, 1, #523 of 1459 🔗

The one thing a state run health service could and should have done better than a social health insurance system would have been to leverage its position close to the heart of government to provide excellent advice based on solid data. This the NHS and its SAGE stooges have consistently failed to do. The advice should have included a stringently analytical look at the Drosten paper and the Covid 19 test that it proposed, with recommendations on sensible cycle thresholds. Instead the NHS and SAGE have run around since January like a Dads Army commanded by Corporal Jones.

It is plain, for all to see, that the NHS is an eye wateringly expensive white elephant and its time is up. This is a once in 100 years chance to reform the badly underperforming state run monolith:

‘… there is nothing the NHS has achieved which the SHI systems have not also achieved. In terms of outcomes, quality and efficiency, social health insurance systems are consistently ahead of the NHS on almost every available measure.’

327231 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #524 of 1459 🔗

Exactly Tim. What we have here is Enron type fraud. Inflating figures and using manipulation to say the place is overwhelmed. Selling a world beating service when it is nothing of the sort.

What’s surprising is that every year more money goes into the NHS. Under the Tories NHS spending has increased every year. But where that money goes?

327350 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to mhcp, 1, #525 of 1459 🔗

The money doesn’t come to the frontline clinical staff that’s for sure. What’s needed is managers who understand clinical issues, risk, safety, and the variability of humans in response to medical treatments. What we get are managers who think a factory/shop based productivity model will work. They are usually straight from an unrelated sector, or straight from university on the NHS Management training programme, or, people who have failed in other roles and are shuffled around to different departments for short periods of time until they fail sufficiently to be moved on again. And none of them talk to clinicians before making their plans.

327130 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #526 of 1459 🔗

Absolutely right – and I know German health service from personal experience (and the experience of my family).

327124 Mark, 17, #527 of 1459 🔗

There are many lessons to be learned from this coronapanic, but not the least should be that if we are to have a collectivised state-funded health service for the nation, there should e a blanket requirement that all statistical information it collects, stripped of personal identification, should be, by statute and compulsorily, made available as raw data, immediately, to the general public.

Never mind potential for monetising it, never mind potential residual privacy concerns. The scope for abuse by the state or by the NHS itself for bureaucratic purposes, is just too clear and obvious for there to be any reservations or delays allowed.

All statistical NHS and healthcare information collected by the state and its organs should be immediately in the public domain, and here should be statutory requirements for full documentation and explanation of data on request, from government. No exceptions, no excuses..

327125 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 8, #528 of 1459 🔗

Sadly just had to break my embargo of Waitrose. Of course, I was the only one un-masked and was not troubled by either the door-goon or any other shoppers.

In the doorway there is a substantial display of tat merchandise with the entreaty ‘Be Kind’ (mugs, lapel pins and other such crap). So a load more plastic shite to pollute the environment and make a shed load of money for that most caring of supermarkets – yeah, the one that bosses you over the tannoy about not lingering and staying a metre away from fellow shoppers … grrrr ….

327161 ▶▶ Jo, replying to kh1485, 8, #529 of 1459 🔗

Waitrose – signs say “we are keeping you safe”
East Germany 1981 – signs saying “we are protecting you”.
(posted before but worth remembering.)

327224 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Jo, #530 of 1459 🔗

Do you have more info on this East German reference?

327235 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Noumenon, 2, #531 of 1459 🔗

I think Jo is referring to the “Schutzmauer”.
It was to “protect” the East Germans from western people and their corrupt thinking coming to the east.

There was a daily tv show, we once did a school trip close to the border, where we got it on tv. It was to ridicule Western life, but it was pure comedy.

327265 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Noumenon, #532 of 1459 🔗

It was near the village where my father was born and where his brother lived all his life. I went there and saw the signs, found it quite shocking (I was 20 at the time).

327749 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Jo, #533 of 1459 🔗

In Montreal, it’s take care of us. Sneaky.

327195 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 4, #534 of 1459 🔗

Thanks for the feedback.

I have not been back shopping at waitrose since their door-goon (on minimum wage) overzealously tried to enforce the mask mandate when it started – they did not even have a clue that mask exemptions existed. I am a firm believer of voting with your feet (note: I shopped at Waitrose for 16 years)

Switched to Ocado, what a joy, and top-up at the local Morrisons, what a joy

327215 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 2, #535 of 1459 🔗

Totally agree. Just wish there was another supermarket within walking distance but there’s only the dreaded Waitrose so sometimes, in extremis, I have to cross their threshold.

327339 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 1, #536 of 1459 🔗


327136 Sam Vimes, 6, #537 of 1459 🔗

Let’s have a sing song. Who remembers Sesame Street?

One of these things is not like the others
One of these things is not the same
One of these things is not like the others
Now it’s time to play our game…

So, which is the odd one out?

  1. PHE declares ‘new’ strain is no biggie
  2. 15000 truck driver tests yield only 36 positives – i.e below the noise floor
  3. “The mutant strain is out of control, we have to put the South East into Tier 4…”

Go on, kids, which one is it?

327139 Jo, replying to Jo, 2, #538 of 1459 🔗
327144 ▶▶ George L, replying to Jo, 5, #539 of 1459 🔗

Yes, unless its some sort of massive sick psyop I’d say the poor woman is dead. Thirty years old with two children and dispatched by an armful of poison.. What a tragic bloody waste of a young women’s life.

327147 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Jo, 8, #540 of 1459 🔗

It would be very, very easy to dispel any rumours here. Simply get her on TV again.

It speaks volumes to me that they haven’t done so.

327332 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to leggy, 1, #541 of 1459 🔗

Like Richard III and the Princes in the Tower. If he hadn’t had them killed, why didn’t he produce them when people started saying that he had?

327149 ▶▶ V, replying to Jo, 4, #542 of 1459 🔗

In 2009 Pfizer payed out the largest settlement for healthcare fraud in history, a sum of $2.3 billion. Anything is possible with a irredeemably corrupt pharma industry.

327157 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to V, 3, #543 of 1459 🔗

Just been talking about this. Notice at the end of the video is a plea to the family… it would not surprise me, if she is indeed dead, that the family have been given a massive pay-off. $5 million would be nothing to Pfizer but a lot to a family where the mother, who was earning a salary, is no longer around.

327173 ▶▶▶▶ V, replying to Jo, 2, #544 of 1459 🔗

Considering that it would be a big and simple PR win to parade her on TV, it is curious why they don’t. I think you could be entirely correct. When it comes to big pharma I don’t think it’s possible to be too cynical.

327165 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo, 1, #545 of 1459 🔗

Too good to be true
Lots of death certs floating around – be sceptical of any claim

327214 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #546 of 1459 🔗

I agree that it would be easy to fake that video – ie the death notification. This is one of the things I find most unsettling about the whole business this year – I just don’t know if I can believe anyone about anything.

327143 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 4, #547 of 1459 🔗

Latest ONS figures out today.

Total deaths to date this year in England and Wales 592,525 with two more reporting periods to go (this year is a 53 week year rather than the normal 52 week reporting year).

We are undoubtedly ‘running hot’ this year in absolute numbers and I’m not going to conjecture why (Covid? Suicides? Delayed medical care? Nursing home deaths? Etc etc). However, projecting forward 15,000 deaths for the next two periods this year will still rank, with death rate as a percentage of the population, at number 50 out of 70 since 1950 (I don’t have underlying data before that). It’s not even in the top two thirds!


327520 ▶▶ George L, replying to DavidC, #548 of 1459 🔗

Delayed medical care, suicides, nursing home deaths, definitely. I’d take a bet that the real figure for covid deaths is below 5,000.

327146 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, #549 of 1459 🔗

A comparison of the Autumn models with what actually happened
The graph shows the cumulative deaths predicted by the models between 1st October and 22nd December – Data from the Spectator
The models predicted between 38000 and 249000 deaths !!! – the actual number was 23304 over the period
Anyone producing such inaccurate models has zero credibility and should be disgraced

As an aside was listening to Hitchens on YouTube / Talk radio this morning and he said something important – to paraphrase
“if the government think that they are doing the good thing, then they believe that anyone disagreeing with what is though to be self evidently good is not only wrong but also evil and any evidence that challenges the righteous action will be ignored and people who present it persecuted”
The lockdown fanatics are convinced that they are doing good and are morally right (despite any evidence) this explains why we are finding shifting opinion so hard

327168 ▶▶ George L, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #550 of 1459 🔗

I’m afraid I’d have to disagree strongly with that. As much as I like Peter Hitchens, he’s controlled opposition. Peter knows full well that the government are working to an agenda, and will not deviate from it until the public decide enough is enough. Unfortunately at this moment in time I fear the majority are nothing more than supine lab rats waiting for an armful of poison.

327212 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to George L, 5, #551 of 1459 🔗

Peter knows full well that the government are working to an agenda”

And you know this how?

327234 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Julian, 2, #552 of 1459 🔗

It doesn’t take a lot of thinking does it, and he’s a smart guy?

I’ve been a fan of Peter for years, and I’ve listened to him throughout this covid debacle, and like many he will only go so far. He will not call out the government for working to an agenda, which they most obviously are, and lying to the public.

In a way its understandable because there’s always the threat of being called a conspiracy nut, totally blackballed, or worse. Remember David Kelly, Blair/WMD.

Out of the few who’ve put their heads above the parapet over this scandal I’d say Dr Mike Yeadon has been the most outspoken, and went so far as to call both Valance and Whitty liars..

327257 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to George L, 4, #553 of 1459 🔗

It doesn’t take a lot of thinking does it, and he’s a smart guy?”

He’s smart, at least by my reckoning. On a good day I like to think I’m no dummy and I agree with Hitchens publicly stated position on the reasons behind it all. Perhaps you think that makes me stupid.

It’s possible he is refraining from saying what he really thinks because he fears he would lose his platform or put people off. In general he seems not to worry about putting other people off, so the more likely is that he’s being cautious. It may well be that this caution is justified – he may lose his MoS job which I think would be negative for the sceptic movement.

It’s equally possible that he simply disagrees with you.

I don’t think he’s “controlled” – he may just be controlling himself, which isn’t the same thing. First Things tried to censor him and he stopped working with them.

I think he has put his head above the parapet. He has tirelessly argued against lockdowns and heavily criticised the government from the start. He’s an ally.

327292 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Julian, #554 of 1459 🔗

Julian.. I don’t think that makes you stupid. Of course I don’t, and I do believe he’s an ally to a degree, especially in the present climate. We need all the friends we can get.

However, I’ve listened to many on the semi-mainstream, and they are all terrified of being labelled a conspiracy theorist, and I’ve heard Peter himself dismiss conspiracies on Talk Radio, as do all the interviewers.

Unfortunately for us, there most certainly is a conspiracy and its been in the planning for decades and I firmly believe it will result in massive loss of life if the masses don’t wake up. The parasitical elite have made no bones of the fact that they want less of us and more control for them. The UN’s Agenda 21/30 is exactly what is being carried out here. The New Normal, Build Back Better.

One of the best examples is the demand by Maurice Strong a billionaire (Rockefeller stooge-Club of Rome-UN) in the 90s that Western industrialised nations be made to collapse, and it was their responsibility to bring it about. They even wrote a book called ‘The First Global Revolution’ which told how they were going to do it, and if Peter along with many others didn’t know this I’d be totally gobsmacked!

327305 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to George L, 2, #555 of 1459 🔗

Well you’ve researched it more than I have but I honestly just think you’ll lose most people if you start going on about sinister billionaires – whether you’re right or wrong.

But people do want the “why” – it’s natural.

327352 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Julian, #556 of 1459 🔗

Well I only replied with that information because I was responding to you, however billionaire bankers are still not very popular. My present tactic with people I know or meet who have drunk the cool-aid is to remind them that Tony Blair is now aggressively pushing the vaccine rollout, and that does seem to be getting some response..

327266 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to George L, 2, #557 of 1459 🔗

PH keeps saying that mp’s are boobies( true) and he encourages us to keep badgering our mp’s because in his words “they can count” and that no seat in the country is safe.
Well Peter, our Tory mp has a majority of 23,000 plus and it would take a long, long time to count to 23,000 so I think that Philip Dunne, mp for Ludlow is definitely safe.

327295 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #558 of 1459 🔗

MPs might feel a degree of security, sure. But local level, I suspect some of them are not as secure. Still worth emailing, complaining, IMO, asking them to justify comments; if they know they are being called out, maybe, just maybe, a few of them will start to ask more searching questions.

327317 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #559 of 1459 🔗

I do email him urging him to question the government’s lockdown stance and each time I receive the same old flannel, “We must protect, blah,blah,etc,etc..

327223 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #560 of 1459 🔗

The number wasn’t 23304. That was the reported deaths with and of testing positive after 28 days. Make of that what you will but those 23304 look very much like counting other conditions. So not only are the models wrong they are wrong by orders of magnitude. Which is always a clear sign that something is not right with your model or your inputs

327251 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #561 of 1459 🔗

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

327324 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #562 of 1459 🔗

I don’t believe they care a rap whether they are doing good to others or not. They want to save themselves at the expense of everybody and everything else. That’s why they are so savage against any opposition. Selfishness and lockdown are horse and carriage.

327153 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #563 of 1459 🔗

Mixed feelings(again) in Stourbridge:
More people maskless but then there were the ultra sheep who got a already “sanitized” shopping trolley and then spent another 10 minutes deep sanitizing said trolley: NAMBY NAMBY WIMPS!!!!

327191 ▶▶ V, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #564 of 1459 🔗

Careful you don’t start a stampede, they get scared when you don’t wear a mask.

327198 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to V, 1, #565 of 1459 🔗

Like it, V.

327154 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #566 of 1459 🔗

People being barred from jobs after only being accused of “micro-aggression”… What could possibly go wrong?

327164 ▶▶ l835, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #567 of 1459 🔗

The irony!

327158 Stephen Priest, 2, #568 of 1459 🔗

Ivermectin and COVID-19
Christy Risinger, MD

327162 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #569 of 1459 🔗

Any other sceptics feel like Francis Begbie under the sheets with Renton, telling him what a fuck up he has made of everything?

“Well this is a fucking laugh int it?”

Just about to blow a big puff of cigarette smoke right into the faces of the lockdown junkies. How d’you like those apples?

327167 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Tom Blackburn, #570 of 1459 🔗

Feels a bit more like Laurel and Hardy (remember them?).

“here’s another nice mess you’ve gotten me into”

327177 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #571 of 1459 🔗

I responded to the Costco email pointing out the 2010 discrimination legislation, here is the response. Just note that at no time did I ever state that I was the subject of the email, but they’ve obviously read it as such.

Thank you for your email. We do appreciate your feedback and sincerely sympathise with your situation during these extremely challenging times for everyone.

The decision to make the use of face coverings mandatory has not been taken lightly and it is not our intention to discriminate against any of our valued members in contravention of the Equality Act. The decision to implement these measures has been taken entirely in pursuit of our legitimate aim of protecting our employees, members and visitors during the ongoing coronavirus pandemic and to reduce the strain on health care services during the Covid19 National Emergency.

We are satisfied that we have made every reasonable accommodation we reasonably can for any member who is exempt from being able to wear a face covering as follows:

  • allowed members prevented from being able to wear a face mask to wear a face shield instead and offered face shields free of charge;
  • offered members who have informed us that they are unable to wear any form of face covering (including a face shield) that they can obtain our goods and services:
  1. via our online services at costco.co.uk ;
  2. by nominating another individual to use their membership card and shop on their behalf;
  3. by offering them an ’email and collect’ service free of charge at the Costco location of their choice.

We firmly believe that this action is entirely necessary and proportionate, in particular during a time in which a new and more infectious strain of the disease has been identified and infection levels are reported to be increasing rapidly at unprecedented levels. As we know, many people who carry the virus are asymptomatic. We believe the use of a face covering of any description necessary to offer some level of protection against the transmission of this terrible disease.

We anticipate that these measures will only be required on a temporary basis until the pandemic has been brought under sufficient control to minimise the risks to our employees, members and visitors and we very much hope that you will bear with us during this period. However, if you would prefer to cancel your membership we are prepared to offer you a full refund of your membership fee for your current membership year.”

327178 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to p02099003, 7, #572 of 1459 🔗

I would state lawyers are the only way forward
But the legal system is too corrupt

327181 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to p02099003, 4, #573 of 1459 🔗

Penultimate para contains all the current government lies, swallowed hook, line and sinker.

327190 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #574 of 1459 🔗

Yep, it is becoming increasingly harder to take any business or individual seriously who just repeats whatever they’ve heard on TV. New strain is not more dangerous and more evidence emerging all the time to discredit asymptomatic spread so they are just doing their business harm for no reason.

327335 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to dpj, 1, #575 of 1459 🔗

it is becoming increasingly harder to take any business or individual seriously who just repeats whatever they’ve heard on TV

so true!!

327183 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to p02099003, 2, #576 of 1459 🔗

People should vote with their feet

327185 ▶▶ George L, replying to p02099003, 7, #577 of 1459 🔗

There is no need to bring a pandemic under control.. there is no pandemic.. period.

327206 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to p02099003, 6, #578 of 1459 🔗

As we know, many people who carry the virus are asymptomatic.

Do we know?

I’m fairly confident in saying it’s a lie.

327226 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to stefarm, 3, #579 of 1459 🔗

Agreed. UK Gov at still at it though – “1/3 of people with Covid-19 don’t show symptoms”.

Covid = Corona Virus Disease. So a disease with no symptoms? Let’s look up what the definition of a disease is:

A disease is a particular abnormal condition that negatively affects the structure or function of all or part of an organism, and that is not due to any immediate external injury.

That doesn’t sound like no symptoms to me. How are they getting away with this abuse of the lexicon?

327260 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to leggy, #580 of 1459 🔗

It is clearly a false statement. How come the fact checkers don’t check this (rhetorical)? And didn’t it start out at 80%, did they give any explanation when this suddenly got reduced?

Edit: Silly me, I have just deduced the answer to my own question. It was 80% in the summer but strangely dropped to ⅓ in the winter, coinciding with cold and flu season. I wonder if it will go back up to 80% again next summer, when common cold sniffles have gone?

327331 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #581 of 1459 🔗

Fact checkers are only there to dispute / censor information that goes against the narrative.

Fact checking organisations sponsored by big pockets such as pharmaceutical companies etc

327334 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #582 of 1459 🔗

.Fact checkers are only there to dispute / censor information that goes against the narrative.

Fact checking organisations sponsored by big pockets such as pharmaceutical companies etc

327327 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to stefarm, 2, #583 of 1459 🔗

Asymptomatic infection is biologically implausible – ` Dr Michael Yeadon ~

There is no evidence that an asymptomatic person can infect another – Government to provide the evidence please

327232 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to p02099003, 5, #584 of 1459 🔗

Do they come out with this crap because they are worried about being sued if someone believed they had contracted it on their premises. I would think that would be nigh on impossible to prove if someone did go down the litigation route.

327444 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 2, #585 of 1459 🔗

I think they’re just taking the easy route and ‘following orders’. It never occurs to them, for example, that there might be problems with mask wearing – nobody as far as I know has done a risk assessment on that. They just take the line of least resistance. Eg when the indoor smoking ban came in in 2007, Network Rail had loads of places where smoking would still be legal (on platforms, under shelters etc) but because that would require signage, it was cheaper and easier just to ban it everywhere on the entire network.

328007 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Cranmer, #586 of 1459 🔗

Thus I avoid using trains as much as I can. Fuck `em.

327239 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, 9, #587 of 1459 🔗

They are ripe for a discrimination case. Face shields have nothing to do with the legislation by the way. They are totally ineffective for whatever it is they think they are supposed to be doing.

The face shields are the most idiotic thing of the whole sorry mess. The medical journals at least show some attempt to investigate masks.

327318 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #588 of 1459 🔗

Perhaps Simon Dolan’s lawyers could look into this?

327287 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to p02099003, #589 of 1459 🔗

“.. in pursuit of our legitimate aim of protecting our employees, members and visitors..” – and what a fine job they’re doing:

327316 ▶▶ Annie, replying to p02099003, #590 of 1459 🔗


327188 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #591 of 1459 🔗

Just remembered, what ever happened to the world class track and trace system?

327193 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #592 of 1459 🔗

Another one to add to the list of thefts from the public purse.

327196 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #593 of 1459 🔗

I’m sure they’re still at it- making repeated nuisance calls to people.

327197 ▶▶ V, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #594 of 1459 🔗

World class leadership.

327209 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #595 of 1459 🔗

I’m tempted to say ‘rolled out by world class weapons’ but the reality is it was/is a complete waste of time once it had become endemic.

327220 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #596 of 1459 🔗

billions thrown into a big dark hole

327203 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 19, #597 of 1459 🔗

Just had some gobshite have a go at me in the shop for the ridiculous rules. I referred him to HMG. Nice bloke a) having a go at a middle-aged woman and b) swearing in front of a little girl who was with her dad waiting for a takeaway. As I said to him, I share his anger but I shouldn’t have been the target.

327240 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to kh1485, 15, #598 of 1459 🔗

Bloody hell! This is exactly what is going to happen more and more, I think. People are pissed off and feel that there is something very wrong but they will misdirect their ire as the divide and rule approach continues to do its sinister work. So sorry kh – of course you should not have been a target – quite the opposite!

327289 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #599 of 1459 🔗


327258 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 10, #600 of 1459 🔗

It’s good that people are finally starting to wake up but it’s a sad reflection on the intelligence of the public that he would assume you were operating under all of the bollocks out of choice and for your own benefit.

327274 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 9, #601 of 1459 🔗

He was saying that he was running his business as normal (builders’ merchants) so I told him I was doing what I could and that, having already been snitched on, could not afford a £10k fine.

Jeez, they’re all out in force today. Another numbnuts saying I had nothing to fear from the vaccine – “you won’t get spina bifida or anything … I’m getting it …” So I wished him well and that he was welcome to it.

327314 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 7, #602 of 1459 🔗

kh, you may not be a believer, but God is with you, and the angels cheer whenever you stand up for human decency.

327210 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 12, #603 of 1459 🔗

Let’s say millions of people are given the current crop of vaccines and they’re found to be wanting in terms of what they actually do.

Then a new batch of vaccines come along that appear to be slightly better than the last lot. Will there be forced vaccination for the new batch?

What if they in turn are found to be less than perfect.

Then a new batch of vaccines come along that appear to be slightly better than the previous batch. Will there be forced vaccination for this new batch?

At some point people will likely start doubting but by then they’ve already accepted all the previous vaccines, what possible reason could they have to argue about having more?

If you don’t think this could/would happen then you only need to look at the mission creep of 3 weeks to flatten the curve to ever more stringent lockdowns over the past year.

327227 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2020, 17, #604 of 1459 🔗

Forced or coerced vaccination is the doorway to so many ills it is what sacred me most right now. The willingness of people to advocate for the division of society based on vaxxed and non vaxxed is absolutely shocking.

327233 ▶▶▶ V, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #605 of 1459 🔗

Appalling cowardice, I never would have dreamed that so many could be so weak minded. Pathetic creatures. And just when I was trying to become less misanthropic too….

327270 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #606 of 1459 🔗

It is just more evidence that the population are thick as mince. Anyone and there granny should be aware that forced vaccination is a slippery slope.

327488 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to JHUNTZ, #607 of 1459 🔗

Thick as mince – I do like that

327252 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #608 of 1459 🔗

Well they have ordered 340 million doses of six different companies so I expect they will want to use them.

The UK government has secured orders for millions of doses of several different vaccines.
These include up to 100 million doses of the AstraZeneca/Oxford University coronavirus vaccine, enough for the majority of the UK’s population of 66.7 million (with each individual needing two doses).
Overall, the UK has secured access to 340 million doses across four separate types of vaccine – adenoviral vaccines, mRNA vaccines, inactivated whole virus vaccines and protein adjuvant vaccines (read more about how each works above).
These include:

  • 60 million doses of the Novavax vaccine
  • 30 million doses from Janssen
  • 40 million doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine – the first agreement the firms signed with any government
  • 60 million doses of a vaccine being developed by Valneva
  • 60 million doses of protein adjuvant vaccine from GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) and Sanofi Pasteur
  • 5 million doses of the jab on offer from Moderna in the US

Why so many? “What the government has done is order different vaccine classes,” explains Matthews. “It’s that simple.”

from BBC Science focus https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/covid-vaccine-uk/

327262 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to stevie, 3, #609 of 1459 🔗

Why so many?… they want to make sure you die and don’t come back to disturb their new world dystopia..

327312 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to stevie, 3, #610 of 1459 🔗

60 million doses of saline.
60 million doses of snake oil.
Same difference.

327333 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Annie, #611 of 1459 🔗

To be fair the one based on the common corona cold would be the least worst
Would still rather someone coof in my face and get it that way

327308 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nobody2020, #612 of 1459 🔗

maybe Ryanair will be selective which vaccinations are acceptable

327433 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #613 of 1459 🔗

There’s an old rhyme, probably considered racist now, even though it clearly isn’t, which goes like this:

It is the white man’s duty
As every white man knows
To teach the black to feel ashamed
And then to sell him clothes

That was a satire on the economics of colonialism. What we are seeing now is a new form of ‘medical colonialism’ where we are taught to feel disease ridden so that we can be sold vaccines.

327213 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 22, #614 of 1459 🔗

The World Health Organization has warned that the coronavirus pandemic is ‘not necessarily the big one’ and that a more deadly virus could yet sweep the globe.

Dr Mike Ryan, head of the WHO emergencies programme, said on Tuesday that the pandemic was a ‘wake-up call’.

‘This pandemic has been very severe… it has affected every corner of this planet. But this is not necessarily the big one,’ he told a media briefing.

As everyone’s favourite eugenicist philanthropist, cuddly grandpa Billy Gates said in June this year “We will have to prepare for the next one. And I say it will get their attention this time.”


327225 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Joseph, 5, #615 of 1459 🔗


Who is that referring to I wonder?

Why we let the “perennial prophets of doom” engage in such psychological game playing I do not know. There is a power structure we do not see I have to assume, where geo political games are being played. I fear for any semblance of democracy. The people don’t care for it any more.

327249 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Joseph, 5, #616 of 1459 🔗

This is the video of the smirker himself and that comment. Honestly, it’s one of the most troubling things I’ve seen throughout this whole shit show.


327304 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to leggy, #617 of 1459 🔗

If he only said it to upset people, he’s succeeded then ? 🙂

327372 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, 1, #618 of 1459 🔗

How is that funny? That smirk is very telling. So this hasn’t got people’s attention?

327462 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to leggy, #619 of 1459 🔗

I was talking about this clip to Mr CGL yesterday. Just look at them both smirking.

327218 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #620 of 1459 🔗

If the current strain is being attributed to a faster spread of the virus then instinctively it could be argued that the predominant strains over the summer were less infectious.

Observation leading to such conclusions can make logical sense, but really what’s happening now is not much different to how the Ancient Greeks tried to explain the world.

327311 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nobody2020, #621 of 1459 🔗

Or Stone Age Man, probably.
Or Ape Man.

327222 ▶▶ V, replying to Tom Blackburn, #623 of 1459 🔗

Hahahahaha! Nice find.

327241 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #625 of 1459 🔗

Hmm. By my rough calculations, they’re expecting these jabs to severely disable 545 people then.

327280 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to leggy, 1, #626 of 1459 🔗

You do the maths.
Oh, you have.

327242 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #627 of 1459 🔗

And, once again, the taxpayer will pay, not the pharmaceutical companies who have no liability. £1.25m for a life potentially ruined. It stinks.


327263 ▶▶▶▶▶ V, replying to DavidC, 2, #628 of 1459 🔗

Heads – they win, tails – you lose.

327291 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to DavidC, 1, #629 of 1459 🔗

The individual payment to any seriously disabled person from vaccination is £120,000 max. £1.25m is estimated cost to the government of the change in the law: COSTS (£m) Total Transition (Constant Price) Years Average Annual (excl. Transition) (Constant Price) Total Cost (Present Value) Low £0.63 High £5.98 Best Estimate £1.25 Description and scale of key monetised costs by ‘main affected groups’ Estimates for the present value of the costs as a result of the addition of COVID-19 to the act only include the administrative costs. These costs are estimated to be £630k in the scenario where there are no successful claims; between £630k to £2.4m in scenarios with successful claims from one round of vaccinations and £6m in the scenario with future rounds of vaccination. Payments are direct transfers to members of the public, so they are not included in the headline costs, but are still a financial cost to Government. These transfers are estimated to equal to £0 in the scenario where there are no successful VDPS claims; between £3.2m to £13.2m in scenarios where there are successful claims from one round of vaccination and £63.2m in the scenario with future rounds of vaccination (3.5% discount rate). Due to the high level of uncertainty the central estimate Scenario 3 has been taken as the best estimate.

327365 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to stevie, #630 of 1459 🔗

Thanks Stevie. Great and dteailed response. Even less for the poor so and so who gets injured as a result of any vaccine though!


327228 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 16, #631 of 1459 🔗

I usually post here under a different name but as it’s quite a recognisable one I thought I’d change it in this case. I knew Leo Benedictus, the “Full Fact” chap quoted at length in today’s update.

He’s an unspeakable, insufferable arsehole.

327276 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Jo Starlin, 21, #632 of 1459 🔗

Good to see you on here, Mrs Benedictus.

327297 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #633 of 1459 🔗

… and judging by the deconstruction of his position, an incompetent or a biased arsehole too. 🙂

327309 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #634 of 1459 🔗

What made me laugh is this phrase: “However, on the overwhelming balance of the evidence , their claims are wrong.”

As Will points out, he’s calling results from models ‘evidence’.

Like Sleepy Joe saying, “we choose truth over facts”, Leo says, “we choose made up shit over facts”.

What a dick! He’s probably got a Neil Ferguson poster on his bedroom wall.

327230 Binra, 4, #635 of 1459 🔗

This is the latter part of my reflection this morning after looking at lockdownsceptics.
The full post is linked (below).

Hiding our conflict from ourself may temporarily fool our own mind – and seek and find reinforcement in others who cluster as a mutually reinforcement FOR hiding it by ‘solving it externally’ by changing others and world. But it cannot actually substitute for living presence and communication, but only assert persuasive presentations that resort to coercion and deceit without moral inhibition when the narrative justifications make lying or denying the lives of others morally necessary against a greater evil than can be openly disclosed.

And so the Noble Lie of the ‘rulers’ is mainstreamed to the ruled as the narratives by which to hold a social cohesion. Or indeed to ‘ruled’ demand unconsciousness of their ‘leaders’ as the ‘world’ in which to evade their innate responsibility for the expression and unfolding of their being.

In this sense a ‘ruling class’ that CANNOT sustain control is driven by the fear on which it depends for the right or function OF control. The result is a subsuming to systemic machine thinking as a ‘control-system’ to substitute for, and replace life.
There is no love in it and it cannot work for living – no matter what further ingenuity is applied to externally replace an inner responsibility evasion.

The meaning of the word of love – along with the true meaning and worth of anything – is lost to a corrupted derivative currency of thought.
That thinking can ‘separate or distance’, lock-down, mask over and lock in, a sense of lack disconnection and incompletion – that then drives its subject as an experience of conflict requiring inhibiting controls that become rules of habit – or ‘normals’.

Habits are subconscious pathways of association and response that operate automatically. The freedom to re-evaluate such programmed perception-responses, is that they run as your choice – unrecognised. And not wanting to know is also a choice – unrecognised.

An unwatched mind is given to whatever happens to take it as reaction. But where you choose to give your energy and attention is up to you – as your inalienable right – even in a choice to alienate your self from Who You Are.

But I am the one who lives the consequence of my thought. I can project anger onto ‘Them’ or to a ‘Sleeple’ version of ‘us’, but it doesn’t actually leave me and reside in its projected recipients. They are parts of me cast out and denied (denied and cast out).
And yes they are also other living beings who are their own process or journey of unfolding experience.

Lifting the ‘lockdown’ is not merely a physical matter of the life ‘as’ the body, but a result of awakening responsibility – despite or regardless the intensification of inducement to deny and forsake our true will – by coercion or deceit.

Moving past the ‘polarised and polarising bubble’ of fear as control is opening to a greater Communication – or indeed to existence AS Communication.


327236 guy153, replying to guy153, 7, #636 of 1459 🔗

Chadox vaccine approved today. Was just looking at the trial results and interestingly they tell us what they are for asymptomatic.

The “primary endpoint” was symptoms confirmed with PCR. It has 60% efficacy at that. In other words your risk of getting Covid if you have the vax is 40% what it would be if you didn’t. But the CI is quite wide– 28% to 78.2%).

But looking at asymptomatic infections, there is no statistically significant efficacy at all (except just barely in the dodgy low dose group). This is consistent with the vaccine giving you fairly low levels of antibodies but a good T-cell response.

But if they still believe in “asymptomatic superspreaders” this vax will not result in herd immunity. Except that was nonsense all along and we have herd immunity anyway.


327237 ▶▶ George L, replying to guy153, 5, #637 of 1459 🔗

“Except that was nonsense all along and we have herd immunity anyway”. Not according to the totally corrupt WHO we don’t. They’ve re-written the script!

327277 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to George L, 2, #638 of 1459 🔗

Either way it looks like the vax will have little or no effect on “Covid deaths”.

If asymptomatic spread is a thing then the vax won’t stop it.

More likely spreading is mostly done by symptomatic people who don’t bother getting tested or self-isolating. Many of them won’t take the vax either.

The vax can actually reduce the number of real Covid deaths, but will have much less effect on the number of people who die within 28d of a positive test, which is how they’re counting things now.

But by the time they’ve finished rolling it out it will be summer again and prevalence will go back to 0.05% anyway as it did last summer– this appears to b about the summer endemic level.

327394 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to guy153, 1, #639 of 1459 🔗

I find this More likely spreading is mostly done by symptomatic people who don’t bother getting tested
quite puzzling.

If you develop symptoms there is no need to test. As s.o. pointed out here yday, what for? You won’t qualify for any treatment as there isn’t any, you will only contribute to the statistic and more restrictions.
Maybe they will qualify to be paid during isolation, if they do. Like you point out, many don’t.

Viral load is supposed to be high during pre symptomatic period, so they could already have unknowingly infected others.

327526 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Silke David, 2, #640 of 1459 🔗

There’s no point in anyone getting a test unless they’re very ill and a Doctor is using it to decide on treatment.

The most effective (and painless) way to reduce spread would be for anyone with symptoms to try and stay out of trouble for a week. This should be guidance only. Then people would be more likely to follow it. No need to test, track or trace anyone.

The reality is that T&T is tracking people with positive tests, which is symptomatic people who care enough about the whole thing to get a test, and their friends/contacts/anyone who’s been told to get a test for whatever reason.

327245 jos, replying to jos, 21, #641 of 1459 🔗

A junior doctor on the BBC news says he’s taken aback when he goes to work and sees row upon row of very sick people – why? If they weren’t very sick they wouldn’t be in hospital, would they? Every winter the hospitals are like this, aren’t they? I’d suggest he should find another job if it shocks him that much – and I’d also like to see the evidence of that as papers in past years used to always show us the patients in the corridors but not any more .. quite frankly, I don’t believe it..

327254 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to jos, 12, #642 of 1459 🔗

A comment I’ve made before, including to a friend who has just retired as a GP. The last MAJOR flu (we’ve had bad years since) was the 1968-1968 Hong Kong flu. In ALL her working career my friend never encountered a flu season like that one. Most, if not all, people working in the NHS will be too young to have encountered a flu year like that one, it’s beyond their experience.

And another point I keep banging on about is that the population was lower then.


327267 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DavidC, 6, #643 of 1459 🔗

Was there and got the T shirt.
Totally agree.

327272 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to DavidC, 13, #644 of 1459 🔗

Caught that aged 4, so I’m told. I was, apparently very unwell. I don’t remember.

I don’t think my Dad stopped going to his work otherwise he’d not have got
paid and my Granny looked after me….I mean, I could have killed her!

How irresponsible were governments in those days! Lol.

327282 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to DavidC, 11, #645 of 1459 🔗

Was 8 years old then.

My only memory is being told to wash our hands at the end of “playtime” in bloody freezing cold water in an outside toilet at the Victorian school building we were in!

Don’t have any memory of being scared shitless by adults then, unlike kids are now!

327288 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to dhid, 6, #646 of 1459 🔗

I was 19 going on 20 and the world carried on as normal.

327302 ▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #647 of 1459 🔗

In 1968 the main events I remember were ‘student revolutions’ and protests against the Vietnam war. The New York Post has a good article on that pandemic. I was still at school.

I’m too young to recall the 1957 pandemic but 18 months later the Macmillan government used the winning election slogan ‘you’ve never had it so good’.

We were more optimistic then I think, despite the Cold War.

327310 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to John001, 4, #648 of 1459 🔗

Life was a lot simpler then and arguably better but then the past is another country.

327385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to John001, 3, #649 of 1459 🔗

Don’t forget the socially distanced event in Woodstock New York State.

327313 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DavidC, 12, #650 of 1459 🔗

I had a strange “flu” in the middle of summer 2000
Never been so ill in my life – thought I was on deaths door for a week and half
Incapacitated + bedridden
Didn’t recover properly for a good 6 months
They can stick their “long Covid” where the sun don’t shine
Any virus can be brutal if you are unlucky

327586 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #651 of 1459 🔗

That’s not a strange flu. That’s regular flu. Too many soft buggers think they have it when they have a cold.

327379 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to DavidC, 9, #652 of 1459 🔗

That STUPID guy Owen James in his “conversation” with Hitchens, said the govt should have had lockdowns during HK flu and would have saved many lives.
Born in ’84. What does he know? The world was a very different place in ’68. Thankfully.

327255 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to jos, 5, #653 of 1459 🔗

It’s probably not helpful to say it’s unbelievable. This provides people with ammunition to label you as a “denier”. It is likely true in places but always reported with zero context.

I remember during the first wave when they were reporting about how terrible it was and hospitals were struggling. Sky news on several occasions had a doctor on who was very laid back giving a totally different impression saying that they were managing fine.

327321 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #654 of 1459 🔗

Why would I worry if people call me a denier if what I am denying is something I have researched and found to be wrong? I don’t care what people think of me but I won’t pretend these lies bear any resemblance to the truth

327248 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 7, #655 of 1459 🔗

A really funny one on Martin Armstrong’s site this morning. Fauci has the ‘vaccine’ into his left arm but then on the TV interview when he’s describing the post-jab irritation, touches his RIGHT arm!



327346 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DavidC, 1, #656 of 1459 🔗


327487 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #657 of 1459 🔗

Very strange because we can be almost certain that the weasel Fauci won’t have had the real vaccine pumped into his bloodstream. Fauci may be an evil bastard, but he’s not stupid.

327261 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 27, #658 of 1459 🔗

A postman came to collect something at the house earlier and he made an apology for not wearing a face covering. I don’t mind but it finally struck me that the reason most are going along is so they don’t lose jobs or get reported. It has much less to do with any virus.

It’s just plain fear. Pure and simple. And when that wave breaks that’s going to be something.

I feel like that a quote I once heard about Africans first watching TV. Something like:

First we were amazed. Then we got angry.

327296 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mhcp, 20, #659 of 1459 🔗

I’ve had this from a delivery guy.

I don’t mind but it finally struck me that the reason most are going along is so they don’t lose jobs or get reported.

This is very true. When I told the bloke it was all bollocks, the poor bastard said, “Yeah, most of us know that, but you’d be amazed at the number of bad bastards who phone to complain.”

He even said he’d had people complain that he was handling their parcels with no gloves on.

I felt really sorry for him. He did thank me for being “one of the good guys”.

327315 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ceriain, 6, #660 of 1459 🔗

I gave my supermarket delivery person and the postman a Christmas tip. I expected them to look terrified at handling cash, supposedly a Covid hotspot menace. They were delighted to get a cash tip.
Perhaps people this year have not bothered because they’ve been told not to use cash.

327300 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to mhcp, 8, #661 of 1459 🔗

This is true. I had a gas engineer round and I told him he did not have to wear his mask if he didn’t want to. He waited until he was fully inside before ripping it off with relief saying it is often the neigbours of customers that report him if he gets seen entering or leaving a house without a mask on. That was months ago but unfortuately I have yet to see any signs of the wave breaking but I live in hope.

327268 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 20, #662 of 1459 🔗

Looking forward to Matt Hancock’s briefing this afternoon to find out if any more of his step- step- step- relatives he’s never met have been a tad poorly recently

327290 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to SilentP, 10, #663 of 1459 🔗

I thought the phrase was:
Looking forward to Matt Hancock’s briefing this afternoon, SAID NO-ONE EVER !

327326 ▶▶ George L, replying to SilentP, 6, #664 of 1459 🔗

Don’t know about poorly.. they all seem to be getting considerably richer with all the £millions flying about in health contracts..

327269 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #665 of 1459 🔗

I believe it was George W Bush who said “you’re either with us or against us” when talking about the war on terror way back in 2001.

It’s quite a polarising statement, there is no inbetween.

The line of reasoning seems to have taken hold. For example the current debate on the Brexit deal is along the lines of:

If you don’t vote for this deal you are voting for “no deal”

or regarding the discussions around this virus:

If you don’t accept the mainstream narrative you are a denier

It’s interesting to see how as life “develops” we are becoming more and more formulaic in how we approach life or put in another way it’s a cookie-cutter life which in gaming terms would be somebody who only follows methods that have been shown to be optimal by other gamers (they don’t bother to learn how to do things themselves).

327384 ▶▶ Gtec, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #666 of 1459 🔗

It’s the ‘digital’, algorithm response to everything these days; nuance takes thought and consideration and doesn’t fit with the very simplistic ‘yes/no’ of the computing, or rather, reductionist, age that we are living in.

The attraction of the ‘digital’ approach to everything is that it requires the least intelligence to be an ‘expert’ in anything; unfortunately for us, the world and we do not work or live like that – all is not ‘yes/no’.

Personally, I’d just like to put up two digits up to show what I think of all this nonesense!

327439 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Gtec, 2, #667 of 1459 🔗

It makes it easier to automate.

327479 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nobody2020, #668 of 1459 🔗

No problem, put me down as being against.

327273 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 13, #669 of 1459 🔗

The sheer ignorance of those who rule us can be seen in (Con) Neil O’Brien MP’s tweets. Today (see Twitter feed on Conservative Home) he has a go at the Mail for writing that Covid is not a plague while also noting the pressure on hospitals in the South East and London. He still hasn’t notice that it’s Winter-when respiratory cases always increase. He appears to be afflicted with amnesia about the NHS being overwhelmed in 2017/18 when we did not lock down. He notes that Covid is infectious and so needs social distancing of beds, reducing the number. But since many wards for elective surgery have been closed, this should not be a problem as NHS managers have had 6 months to prepare. Influenza and pneumonia are also infectious and deadly but we don’t destroy our economy and society. With this level of stupidity and unwillingness to look at the mounting evidence that lockdowns don’t work and are harmful what chance do we have. He’s the MP for Harborough, Oadby and Wigston.

327711 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to frankfrankly, #670 of 1459 🔗

He’s taken to “spouting the party line” and currying favour, and done so far more quickly than most. But he’s been rewarded already with a promotion/job for the boys. A shame really because he seemed to be a sensible one.

327278 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 29, #671 of 1459 🔗

An organisation with 1.7 million employers says it has been unable to cope with seasonal flu for five years in a row

If that’s not a description of a scam I don’t know what is

327281 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 13, #672 of 1459 🔗

The NHS is a hemorrhoid on the sphincter of the UK
Every year the same
Let it burst

327362 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, 2, #673 of 1459 🔗

Because 1Mill are not patient facing staff!

327279 Al T, replying to Al T, 25, #674 of 1459 🔗

Another Johnson press conference this evening. Expect Dr Doom and the Spectre of Christmask yet to come will be there. Deep joy.

Elsewhere, the hopeless WHO now reporting that widespread antibiotic use to treat Covid is fuelling a strain of ‘Super Gonorrhea. That’ll bring a new twist to ‘Clap for Carers’.

327285 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Al T, #675 of 1459 🔗

Covid yet to come?

327293 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Al T, #676 of 1459 🔗

A new strain of Cooties ??

327298 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Al T, 7, #677 of 1459 🔗

God they are so fucking tiresome, wanting to get on the telly all time. It’s pathetic. Look at me, look at me!

327345 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Al T, #678 of 1459 🔗

The clanging clowns of doom?

327361 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Al T, 3, #679 of 1459 🔗

Who the f… treat a common cold with antibiotics?
Even the side effects or complications do not respond to antibiotics!
It is not bacterial!

There was once a play on R4 (afternoon play) about a world where antibiotics do not work anymore. Everyone should listen.

327454 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Silke David, 3, #680 of 1459 🔗

I suspect antibiotic use has gone up dramatically since GPs aren’t seeing people in person. If nobody is being swabbed, the telehealth doctor will likely do the “safe” thing and just prescribe an antibiotic.

327977 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to Silke David, #681 of 1459 🔗

Yes, that did cross my mind. If people were alive to the implications of a world where antibiotics no longer work, they’d have good reason to be afraid and demand that Governments ‘harness the cavalry of science'(to borrow a Johnson metaphor) to develop new and effective ones.

I have little faith that the undistinguished Dr Tedros can unite opinion to that end,however.

327284 lockdownlavaplanet, replying to lockdownlavaplanet, 9, #682 of 1459 🔗

I’m adding Alaska Airlines to the long list of businesses I will boycott forever.

327301 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to lockdownlavaplanet, 5, #683 of 1459 🔗

I flew with them once. A bit string and sellotape and that was just the flight attendants.

327341 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to thinkaboutit, #684 of 1459 🔗

that’s not bad it’s usually cellulite these days with the flight attendants.

327377 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to JHUNTZ, #685 of 1459 🔗

They were seriously grumpy. And the wings wobbled terribly.

327323 ▶▶ V, replying to lockdownlavaplanet, #686 of 1459 🔗

I’m grateful to them for further blurring the line between dystopian science fiction and reality.

Baudrillard suggested that popular anticipation of new themes in our simulated delusion of reality made them so. I seldom find myself in agreement with post-modernist Marxists, but it looks like he was right this time.

327336 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to lockdownlavaplanet, 3, #687 of 1459 🔗

they are creating segregation which we have fought for so long to end everywhere

327294 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 5, #688 of 1459 🔗

Rather than save the world, these big organisations appear to be actually ruining it. Johnson and (han)Cock, aka Dumb and Dumber, appear as if they could be told anything and they would run with it. Worrying and I used to think Johnson was ok.

327322 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DanClarke, 2, #689 of 1459 🔗

Also an ex fan. I’m reading Johnson’s biography by Tom Bowers. Excellent read. But no real clues as to his current behaviour – unless seeing his father take pleasure in hitting his mother has somehow become a template for abusing the nation and inflicting suffering on her.

327328 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to OKUK, #690 of 1459 🔗

Maybe it’s his partner’s influence

327871 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DanClarke, 1, #691 of 1459 🔗

Don’t try to make excuses for him. He was a charlatan long before he met NutNuts.

327344 ▶▶ DRW, replying to DanClarke, 14, #692 of 1459 🔗

I’ve never liked the cunt. For all the pseudo-Churchillian babble he’s a Poundshop Chamberlain.

327359 ▶▶ mj, replying to DanClarke, 3, #693 of 1459 🔗

 worth watching as it reminds you of when the programme was good and satirical
And at 40 minute mark there is an interesting bit about Johnson and why they like him on the programme as guest and then presenter. Hislop says “the narrative that HIGNFY made Johnson PM is wrong .The joke about Boris was that this man couldn’t even run a panel show. He couldnt get the cards in order, he didn’t know who anything or anybody was. He was a joke”.
I think that sums up Johnson completely. you would have him as a dinner guest for the entertainment but you wouldnt want him to try and organise the dinner party. He could not organised the proverbial p*ss up in a brewery. And his time as PM confirms this.

327303 p02099003, 3, #694 of 1459 🔗
327320 George L, replying to George L, 8, #695 of 1459 🔗

Well, I’ve decided I’m going to plump for the Pfizer Vaccine . I just need to make my mind up which side effect I’m going to go for..

There are two shots in the Covid19 vaccine from Pfizer. The First shot is Acetaminophen, it is administered to try to help relieve the severe side effects of the 2nd shot, which is the Vaccine.

Here is an FDA list of the severe side effects:

Guillain-Barré syndrome – immune system attacks nerves
Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis – inflammation in the brain/spinal cord
Transverse myelitis – damages insulating nerve cell fibers
Encephalitis – inflammation of the brain
Myelitis – inflammation of the spinal cord.
Encephalomyelitis – inflammation of the brain and spinal cord
Meningoencephalitis – herpes
Meningitis – infection/inflammation of fluid protecting brain/spinal cord.
Encepholapathy – damage or disease that affects the brain.
Convulsions – uncontrollable muscle contractions
Seizures – uncontrollable muscle contractions
Stroke – poor blood flow to the brain causes cell death
Narcolepsy – chronic sleep disorder, overwhelming daytime drowsiness
Cataplexy – muscles suddenly go limp or weaken without warning
Anaphylaxis – severe life-threatening allergic reactions.
Acute myocardial infarction – heart attack
Myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle
Pericarditis – inflammation of the pericardium
Autoimmune disease – immune system attacks body.
Pregnancy and birth outcomes – still births
Non-anaphylactic allergic reactions – severe allergic reactions
Thrombocytopenia – bone marrow disorder, leukemia, immune system
Disseminated intravascular coagulation – abnormal blood clotting in the body
Venous thromboembolism – blood clots that cause heart attacks
Arthritis and arthralgia – joint pain
Kawasaki disease – high fever and peeling skin
Vaccine enhanced disease – Vaccine-associated respiratory disease
Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children – inflammation of the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs.

327329 ▶▶ Paul, replying to George L, 4, #696 of 1459 🔗

So the first shot is just Paracetamol ?.

327360 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Paul, 3, #697 of 1459 🔗

I clued into that, and it doesn’t make sense, so I tried to edit it, but can’t now. I got the info off an American medical site and just cut and pasted the lot.

The FDA stuff is legit though I’ve checked it out and seems to make sense because it seems this vaccine is classed as ‘investigative’ and trials don’t finish till sometime in 2022. In other words its gained approval only on emergency grounds.

327397 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George L, 2, #698 of 1459 🔗

It also got approved before HCQ and Ivermectin officially got stamped in the US so the vaccine wouldn’t have to prove its efficacy in comparison to existing treatments. It got its emergency approval because no other treatment had been officially passed.

327387 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Paul, 1, #699 of 1459 🔗

Here you go Paul.. the FDA site PDF.. page 17.adverse event outcomes


327342 ▶▶ Janette, replying to George L, 12, #700 of 1459 🔗

How anybody would want to take such a vaccine beats me especially when there is little risk of getting Covid and dying!

327358 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Janette, 9, #701 of 1459 🔗

A health dept official in Germany stated after the first day of vaccinations in care homes it took them double the time than anticipated, they had planned for 8! per hour, but then some of the recipients had questions.
Throws up the question, hang on, are they not being informed before being wheeled into the room? Do they not give their informed consent?
But then I am glad to hear that they DO have questions! Just would like to know what they are! Probably sth not relating to effectiveness and side effects.

327369 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Janette, 1, #702 of 1459 🔗

I can understand completely why someone who has been told they are especially vulnerable would want to take it. And indeed their close contacts who live in fear of passing ‘it’ on to them.

327471 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #703 of 1459 🔗

It may understandable, but it is not excusable.

327351 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to George L, #704 of 1459 🔗

Well, I guess you can exclude still birth and any child specific diseases. Narrows it down a bit you should be at no risk at all!

I wonder how they came up with all these side effects, as they have not tested enough and for long enough to – luckily – not have witnessed it. But I guess most have a common underlying cause, and some of the listed conditions have been witnessed.

327373 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to George L, 1, #705 of 1459 🔗

I’ve had Guillain-Barré. I’m not signing up for another bout of it.

327579 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to thinkaboutit, #706 of 1459 🔗

I’m wondering if it’s not just the original “long-Covid” too?

327461 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to George L, 3, #707 of 1459 🔗

Well, at least it doesn’t give you flatulence so not too bad then.

You should ask your surgery if they would like to pin up that list so that the sheep can read it while they queue to get their jab.

Then again, sheep don’t read do they, and even if they do they don’t comprehend.

327325 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 51, #708 of 1459 🔗

I went to buy a couple of model cars that I seen on gumtree, pretty local to me & they were both at a very cheap price (they sell on ebay for £60, so at £15 each, I couldn’t refuse) anyway, I messaged the seller last night to ask if they were still available & they messaged back yes. So I asked what time today would be suitable to come see them etc. So they replied back 12:30pm would be cool.

So, I was there for 12:30pm as agreed. I went up the path to the front door, knocked on the door & waited. About 10 seconds later the door opened & I was greeted with a middle aged woman wearing a stupid face mask. Ok I thought, I am not diseased, but anyway, “I’m here to see the x2 model cars that we arranged yesterday”
She then replied something I couldn’t make out because of the mask, but she made me wait at the door until she went to fetch them, when she came back to the door, she put them both on the floor & then actually jumped back from me & said “there they are, you can inspect them” then stood about 3 meters away from me.
I had a quick look at them, agreed to buy them & went to hand her the money (just taken out of the cash machine before I went) she actually asked me to put the money on the floor!!!!

I really was wanting to call her a stupid arsehole, but I bit my tongue & did what she asked. It was utterly bizarre.

So, I wouldn’t be surprised if she soaked the notes in disinfectant after I left.

I really really didn’t think that it was so bad, this was a private sale & this daft cow has obviously bought right into the wee dictators narrative.

Anyway, the x2 model cars are crackers, they are in mint condition & I am not going to “sterilise” them.

But, it really was surreal.
The propaganda machine has done a good job on the sheep.

327337 ▶▶ Janette, replying to AnotherSceptic, 12, #709 of 1459 🔗

Absolutely pathetic!

327408 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Janette, 4, #710 of 1459 🔗

I know, it was genuinely bizarre. The icing on the cake was the money. I’m still trying to get my head around it.

327856 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Janette, -1, #711 of 1459 🔗

I think it’s very sad – and worrying.

327338 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to AnotherSceptic, 18, #712 of 1459 🔗

Just went shopping. Of course only person with a whole face in the supermarket, except for 1 cashier. Another young man at the till, behind his quite large plastic shield, with face shield and mask!
Overkill, my god.

327367 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Silke David, 3, #713 of 1459 🔗

It’s wonderful how what they do illustrates that they really don’t know what they are doing!

327348 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #714 of 1459 🔗

The living dead.

327353 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #715 of 1459 🔗

I would have loved to have seen a video of that.

327395 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Ceriain, 3, #716 of 1459 🔗

If I had known it was going to be as bizarre, I would have filmed it. There was nothing mentioned prior to me going that it would be as surreal.

327355 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to AnotherSceptic, 12, #717 of 1459 🔗

It’s hard to see a way back for people who are so bought into the narrative. Are they expecting to behave like that for ever?

327383 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to godowneasy, 15, #718 of 1459 🔗

I tell most people I meet now that masks, distancing and lockdowns are here forever. Usually met with an awkward silence and something like ‘does seem to be lasting a long time, doesn’t it?’. I think most people haven’t given it the slightest thought.

327420 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to godowneasy, 5, #719 of 1459 🔗

She was certainly a believer in it all, I should have done & said what some of you have said to do, like tell her the real value of the models, or said that I had been vaccinated, but, I was just dumbstruck at the absolute mental ness of it, when she asked me to put the money on the floor….I genuinely was thinking WTF??
But, it has been the one & only truly bizarre experience that I have had since this utter shit show began.
Had the usual people jumping out of my way at the very beginning of this shit, but today, that took the biscuit.

327356 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #720 of 1459 🔗

Should have told her you’ve been vaccinated, to see the response.

327396 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Wolver, 1, #721 of 1459 🔗

Lol….I didn’t think of that Wolver. 😂

327366 ▶▶ mj, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #722 of 1459 🔗

on leaving you should have casually said “by the way, these are worth £60 each. “

327398 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to mj, 4, #723 of 1459 🔗

I didn’t think of that tbh, I think I was so stunned that this was actually happening.

327371 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #724 of 1459 🔗

Given that modern jokes are plastic, so easily wipe able if she’s that bothered.

It would have taken me all of my self control not to sneeze on her.

327435 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #725 of 1459 🔗

That should be notes, not jokes. Autocorrect fail.

327446 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to thinkaboutit, #726 of 1459 🔗

She was a joke, so it’s still relevant.

327380 ▶▶ V, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #727 of 1459 🔗

Please feel free to make up your own standards for biohazard mitigation vis. ineffectual theatrical rituals and the wearing of any old ‘PPE’ that you can lay your hands on, but don’t you dare not have any or you’ll be a social pariah facing a hefty fine.

But it’s not a compliance focused psyop, of course.

327407 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to AnotherSceptic, 22, #728 of 1459 🔗

Well, I went to Borough Market today to get some food for NYE. On the train back a lady comes to my carriage and sits in the row once seats about 3m from me.She looks my way,sees my mask less face and gasp loudly and stands up.She looked at me so I smiled.She than panicky tried to open the window but whr she could not she looked at me again with a look like she just saw a leper in the last stages,disgust, fear, she panic. I winked at her, she gasped again and ran to the other carriage..People are completely brainwashed, there is no hope..

327473 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #729 of 1459 🔗

Ahahahaaa good work.

327529 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #730 of 1459 🔗

You should of picked them up and walked off, she would of some come running for the dosh

327330 Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 3, #731 of 1459 🔗

One rule for them (again). Just now in Commons, watch Back Slap Boris:


327340 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 11, #732 of 1459 🔗

Spot the difference
Subject A) provokes a T cell and B cell immune response.
Subject B) provokes a T cell and B cell immune response
Subject A) may cause mild symptoms but doesn’t guarantee not being infected or infectious also no guarantee that there won’t be severe symptoms.
Subject B) may cause severe symptoms in some people, mild or none in most people, the latter very unlikely to be infectious.

327368 ▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 1, #733 of 1459 🔗

Very clever

I’ll have a B please Bob

327468 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to p02099003, 1, #734 of 1459 🔗

It’s a toughie
Think I will plump for a B

327343 Caramel, 1, #735 of 1459 🔗

They’re older but here’s some good analyses on the NZ situation. I don’t agree with everything that Ian Harrison has put forward but it’s certainly better than what the awful scientists advising the government have done. Tailrisk Economics

327363 bebophaircut, 6, #736 of 1459 🔗

Open Society Foundations, brought to you by George Soros. Read between the lines.


We provide thousands of grants every year through a network of national and regional foundations and offices, funding a vast array of projects—many of them now shaped by the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic . How thoughtful of them.

327364 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 100, #737 of 1459 🔗

Well this is depressing. I went in my local chemist earlier to get a prescription and, having told the staff that I’m ‘mask exempt’, I was asked to wait outside. I said No, that would be discrimination, and I said I’m just fine standing on one of their silly little ‘social distancing’ squares. The manager then chirped up and insisted I wait outside. I said No, I would not be doing that. I tried to maintain my smile and keep calm, but by now other customers were joining in with the manager, one even telling me I’m ‘spitting my germs’ in others’ direction. So I rhetorically asked where these people had been during bad influenza seasons of the past, and did they wear masks and act like zombies then. It got heated but I stood my ground in the face of hysterical behaviour and a complete unwillingness to engage in rational argumentation. I kid you not when I say that these people were all froth and no argument. It was beyond bizarre. Is ‘brainwashed’ too strong a term?

By now I had the manager and several customers telling me to get out, and I still refused. The manager then called Plod. I’m sorry to say I ended up calling the manager a wanker and the lot of them bedwetters, and began to mock them for their compliance while apparently not having an argument between them. Again, I rhetorically asked if they could see the sheer absurdity. They had ample opportunity to provide some logical, rational argumentation, but they had nothing but froth/hackneyed talking points.

Since it was clear I was not getting my prescription, and I was told I’m now ‘banned’ from the chemist, I waited outside for Plod to turn up (since they had been called it was pointless going home and having them turn up at my house). They turned up and, I have to say, were fine. The muggy manager lied by saying I had ‘threatened’ him. I laughed and challenged him to show the old bill the CCTV footage. He melted at that point.

Anyway, I’m sorry I lost my rag somewhat. It is important to try and win people over with a smile. I tried, but in the face of this weird mob I eventually let myself/our side down. My condition/illness dictates that I now feel worn out and like a sack of shit for biting and raising my voice in the face of such hostility. But whatever we face, we must not be deterred.

Stay strong and stand firm, dear friends.

327375 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to common conservative, 22, #738 of 1459 🔗

Well done. I must admit I would not have had your courage. The only time I’ve been refused entry to a shop unmasked, the worst I did was give them a bad review online!

327382 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to common conservative, 33, #739 of 1459 🔗

I wish I’d been there at the time! Good for you CC, dispiriting in one way but great that you didn’t buckle.

When I go to the local supermarkets (not very often) I’m just totally bemused by everyone wearing masks (the last time I was the only person I not wearing one) – it’s a strange feeling but I KNOW the science (my degree was in Microbiology) and the minimal chance of dying even if I catch it. I KNOW so much more than these kidults who have been scared shitless by something they know nothing about. It’s pathetic.

There is a SPAR very close to where I live, where I get my milk and tinnies. The staff there are brilliant, very pragmatic about it all. I asked three of them on duty last week how many of them are going to get the vaccine (one 18 or so, the other two in their 40s) – immediate response ‘NO!’, with no prompting from me! We had a laugh about it!


327388 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to common conservative, 24, #740 of 1459 🔗

Absolutely heroic stuff. I mean that. I would love to have been there to back you up.

327403 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to common conservative, 12, #741 of 1459 🔗

You’re doing a great job, it would be called the resistance in the war wouldn’t it and all the French said they were in it

327405 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to common conservative, 17, #742 of 1459 🔗

Well done!
It always makes me laugh, they do not realise in all the time standing inside arguing, they could have served you and got you out quicker than the time it took to argue?

327409 ▶▶ Biker, replying to common conservative, 32, #743 of 1459 🔗

What you need do now is turn up again and present them with a Letter of Care detailing their discrimination and how you are going to sue them. They have 14 days to respond, which they will. They are breaking the law. You’ll find plenty of layers offering a pay if you win deal. Don’t let them away with this. They can’t break the law like that.

327419 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Biker, 9, #744 of 1459 🔗

PCR Claims may be interested in taking on a case like this.

327469 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Biker, 3, #745 of 1459 🔗

I fear I have no recourse since, as per the Equality Act, these bastards can justify their treatment of me by claiming it is ‘a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.’ (2.2.15.)

The ‘legitimate aim’, of course, being ‘Keeping everyone safe from Covid-19.’

327410 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to common conservative, 5, #746 of 1459 🔗

Hope you are going to get your prescription. DDA action is possible but a lot of hassle.

327418 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to common conservative, 16, #747 of 1459 🔗

Don’t be hard on yourself! I’d have done much worse in your circumstances. You’re very brave and should be super proud of standing your ground.

327463 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to common conservative, 10, #748 of 1459 🔗

I was going to say unbelievable, but unfortunately it isn’t 🙁

You were amazing, much better than I would have been, and you have nothing to reproach yourself for.

I hope you get the opportunity in the not-too-distant future to see every one of them scuttle away unable to look you in the eye – wankers all, indeed.

327467 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Dame Lynet, 8, #749 of 1459 🔗

Btw, shouldn’t the manager be done for misleading plod?

327847 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dame Lynet, 3, #750 of 1459 🔗

Wasting police time?

328060 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Cheezilla, #751 of 1459 🔗

That and perverting the course of justice for the lying.

327474 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to common conservative, 22, #752 of 1459 🔗

Well done. I also stood my ground last month at the doctors. I went for a check up (which the surgery gets paid for by the government. Surgeries are businesses and get funding depending on the numbers of procedures they perform). The receptionist outside taking temperatures said I had to wear a mask, I said I was exempt and showed my badge. She said the BMJ (which is just a journal) had said nobody is exempt and I had to wear one, I said no and went in. I was effectively told no mask no checkup, I said ok and walked out (knowing they would loose money if they didn’t do the procedure). I got a phone call from the practice manager asking why I had been rude to a nurse. I said I wasn’t being rude I was stating I was exempt and was wearing my badge.

I had my procedure performed in the “hot room”, so if you want to be awkward and not wear a mask ask to be seen in the “hot room”. Don’t forget many procedures that are performed by nurses are money spinners for the practice. I also found out that in my local surgery no doctors were available as they only do Zoom consultations and they only have to work 2 days a week to get full pay. So don’t feel guilty about using the Hot Room.

327478 ▶▶ Annie, replying to common conservative, 12, #753 of 1459 🔗

Your courage is admirable. I take my hat off to you.

327482 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to common conservative, 10, #754 of 1459 🔗

Well done. Truly appreciate what you did.

327498 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to common conservative, 25, #755 of 1459 🔗

Thank you for all your replies, dear friends – cheered me up no end. I certainly don’t believe for one minute that my actions were ‘heroic’ or anything like it; I believe it is utterly necessary for us all to stand firm and try to help our fellow citizens regain some sanity with regard to this situation.

Thank you all again. I haven’t replied to every post because I don’t want to make this about ‘me’ (your posts are quality); my hope is that my post will encourage others to stand firm and not be intimidated.

327548 ▶▶ TJN, replying to common conservative, 7, #756 of 1459 🔗

I’ll be raising a wee dram and toasting you this evening.

327829 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to common conservative, 1, #757 of 1459 🔗

Good for you for sticking to your principles and sorry you’re suffering for it. Hopefully someone from among the sheeple will go home and think about your arguments.

327370 Edward, replying to Edward, 16, #758 of 1459 🔗

A few random observations.

I passed a couple of Wetherspoons this morning, currently closed (tier 3) but with big anti-lockdown posters in the windows including quotes from Lord Sumption and others. Wetherspoons chairman Tim Martin has always presented himself as a bit of a maverick and it’s a pity that more business people aren’t prepared to step out of line to defend their businesses.

I did some shopping in Lidl (wearing my exemption badge) and as usual it was fine. Even the formerly stroppy woman on duty at the automated checkouts is quite friendly now. The machines are liable to start flashing red and she does something with a key to fix the problem. Previously she used to ask the customer to stand back but she no longer does so. Maybe she has infinite faith that her mask protects her. Or maybe I’m in her good books since I put a donation in her charity bucket just before Christmas. Or maybe she’s had some training to be friendlier.

Football: Sam Allardyce has been mentioned for his multi-mode mask wearing, above nose to below chin and everywhere in between. The protocol doesn’t require managers to be masked during a match, but at 66 and fat he may be considered a bit vulnerable. Crystal Palace manager Roy Hodgson is 73 but goes unmasked. Allardyce wants a covid break in the season, which coincidentally (?) would give him more time to sort out his currently useless team. The way things are going, apart from a few matches in lower tier areas it looks as if almost the whole of the current season will pass without crowds at the matches. On Match of the Day the hated BBC now only shows the pro-Marxist kneeling at the start of the first set of highlights, so it’s easy to avoid it and my TV screen is relatively safe from flying crockery.

327381 ▶▶ mj, replying to Edward, 1, #759 of 1459 🔗

sky and bt still show on the live games and make a point of explaining what it is for (scripted of course) but manage to avoid using the BLM word

327400 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to mj, #760 of 1459 🔗

Yes, I guess as they’re showing the whole match it would be seen as controversial to cut away from the kneeling.

327402 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Edward, 1, #761 of 1459 🔗

Are the subs and other hangers on required to be muzzled? Looks weird when they are sitting apart near the dug out but face nappied up but some aren’t

327425 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to arfurmo, 1, #762 of 1459 🔗

Not sure, I think there is a protocol which I haven’t seen in detail but the general pattern seems to be that those whose job involves running around and/or shouting at the players can go unmasked but everyone else should wear one. Subs occasionally do a bit of warming up in case they’re needed, which may give them an excuse for not wearing one. When groups of fans (where present) are shown I expect the TV people try to avoid showing unmasked ones but usually there are a few.

327417 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to Edward, 1, #763 of 1459 🔗

Big Sam wants a break because his team are awful. No more, no less.

327632 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Andy C, #764 of 1459 🔗

So true and I was born there.

327374 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #765 of 1459 🔗

Here’s a funny one:
We believe that the solutions to the national, regional, and global challenges we face demand the free exchange of ideas and thought , and that everyone should have a voice in shaping the policies that affect them .
Yeah, sure.

327378 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #766 of 1459 🔗

We therefore work to build vibrant and inclusive societies.

Vibrators for everyone.

327413 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #767 of 1459 🔗

The vibrations presumably come from bombs and vans being rammed into pedestrians.

327376 PhantomOfLiberty, 6, #768 of 1459 🔗

Full Fact have premises are on The Mall (ie by St James’s Park, Buckingham Palace not just any mall) so obviously they don’t fact check for you or me. Funding comes from the usual suspects, so they no doubt they have the have the best facts money can by. In 2019 they gave their independent services to:

Illuminate/Omidyar Foundation linked to all the usual riff-raff including WEF


2019 was the first year they had not received visible funding from Soros. Count the spoons!

327386 mj, replying to mj, 6, #769 of 1459 🔗

from the telegraph today. coming to a fearmonger near you

“Wolves could play a crucial role in combating a “zombie” disease which is threatening America’s deer populations and could one day spread to humans, new research suggests.
Chronic wasting disease (CWD) is a fatal illness similar to mad cow disease and cases have been reported in deer and elk in at least 24 US states.
The disease has been nicknamed “zombie disease” because it makes deer drastically lose weight, struggle to walk and become more aggressive and less afraid of human contact.
An outbreak of the infectious disease is extremely difficult to contain and there is no treatment.
But a research project in Yellowstone National Park suggests that wolf packs may hold the key to keeping the disease out of the area by identifying and killing off sick animals.”

looking forward to Ferguson’s model

327391 ▶▶ iane, replying to mj, #770 of 1459 🔗

Perhaps this is the hoped-for role of the barely tested vaccines!

327476 ▶▶ Annie, replying to mj, #771 of 1459 🔗

Zimbue disease? The wolves caught it from humans.

327389 Edward, replying to Edward, 22, #772 of 1459 🔗

At this time of year the media are always full of the usual garbage about Dry January, New Year New You, etc etc. This time we also get “2020 was so awful, things are looking to be a whole lot better in 2021 thanks to those clever scientists”. They seem oblivious to the official line that the vaccine(s) don’t necessarily prevent transmission and we’re being softened up for restrictions continuing indefinitely. There’s going to be a lot of disappointment in April and May.
But to strike a more positive note, picking up from somebody on this site the other day who suggested that people will simply stop complying through boredom: it could happen through a sort of bored fatalism, “Tiers, lockdowns, masks, nothing seems to make much of a difference, so why bother?” The authorities will keep saying that things would be much worse without the restrictions, but their assertions will be increasingly disbelieved.

327406 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Edward, 19, #773 of 1459 🔗

Bear in mind, if this had been a genuine pandemic, the usual New Year’s Eve programmes of ‘famous people we lost in 2020’ would last for about a week.

327421 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Edward, 10, #774 of 1459 🔗

I agree with you on that people are getting bored with it.

Sadly many businesses are still too afraid to defy “stay shut” orders.
Unless the “bored” people demand for these to be opened, by staging sit in in front of their doors, what will change?

327441 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Silke David, 5, #775 of 1459 🔗

Pubs could lose their licence.

327451 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to stevie, 2, #776 of 1459 🔗

That would happen if they simply opened in defiance of regulations, but they could make their opposition clearer and make rational arguments that the restrictions are doing more harm than good.

327457 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Edward, 6, #777 of 1459 🔗

I think someone like mr wetherspoon or an alliance of owners has to open, no masks, no SD and withhold any tax, paye etc.

Hold the government to ransom.

327459 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to stefarm, 2, #778 of 1459 🔗

The Government can print money
printing press go brrrrrrr since 2008 banking collapse

327477 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #779 of 1459 🔗

AHH, yes, I forgot about the magic money tree.

How about all the publicans dump their gallons of spoiled beer on downing street, spray paint Whitehall in lager and best bitter

327515 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Edward, 2, #780 of 1459 🔗

I think Tim Martin at Wetherspoons has done that…

327475 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Silke David, 6, #781 of 1459 🔗

That’s the kernel of it.
Unlike other countries that have had centuries of practice in defying, or simply ignoring, central Authority -almost always with impunity – we have long been accustomed to obey central authority and assume it to be efficient. Look at the idiot way we obeyed moronic EU directives. Thermometers to take the temperature of cream cakes, FFS.
Our sheeple businesses need some lessons in elementary disobedience.

327393 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 11, #782 of 1459 🔗


All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged, as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions. There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals. Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected.

Reading this article from May on the day the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine has received emergency authorisation from the MHRA really troubles me.

The scale of the crimes against humanity being committed here are almost unfathomable. That we the people have allowed our government to get away with these egregious excesses for so long is surely one of the most shameful chapters in our history.

327404 ▶▶ George L, replying to Richard O, 2, #783 of 1459 🔗

Richard, I agree entirely. What we are witnessing here is stupidity on steroids..

327434 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to George L, 4, #784 of 1459 🔗

And what we will be watching is genocide in action.

327464 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to George L, 2, #785 of 1459 🔗

Diabolical evil. Make no bones about it.

327481 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Annie, 3, #786 of 1459 🔗

Oh I know Annie.. I know. It just makes me shake my head and look to the heavens. I despair, I really do!

327414 ▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Richard O, 6, #787 of 1459 🔗

Not only that: first of all they put it out that the animal trial had been a success (in the NYT!) while human trials were launched and Oxford and its satellite companies fixed the deal with Astra Zeneca. Only weeks later was it softly let out that the animal trial had been a failure after all, but the project backed by Hancock and Johnson to probably in excess of £100m was to big too fail, so it is no wonder amid all the chaos that Hancock has a big grin on his face today.


327399 Ceriain, 5, #788 of 1459 🔗

I’m reliably informed that UCLH in London has vaccinated 2,000 staff so far (out of 10,000+).

327401 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 4, #789 of 1459 🔗

What do we think will be in the Politburo announcement today? My guess is the whole of England into Tier 4, with a new Tier 5 in some areas.

327415 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Cranmer, 16, #790 of 1459 🔗

Wtf is s en Tier5? We have been in lockdown for almost a year..Is tier 6 Army on the streets and police shooting people..I mean really, who cares anymore..Fuck them, time to rise up.

327438 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #791 of 1459 🔗

Rise up? After my experience with a completely brainwashed sheep today, that unfortunately will be a mountain to climb. I agree with you though.

327641 ▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #792 of 1459 🔗

As long as its gone on for already its still not enough to cause the masses any real hardship. Sheeple can still go shopping and then sit at home with a pint watching the msm with wide-eyed lunacy. Only when things really get bad and it seriously affects their quality of life will pennies start to drop. By then though, we’ll be a long way down the road.

327416 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cranmer, #793 of 1459 🔗

Riveting with a bit of Latin

327423 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cranmer, 6, #794 of 1459 🔗

And then a senior tory will say ‘oooo Betty.. we should really vote on these things maytbe probably definitely ooo I could crush a grape ooo people are suffering we must stop lockdowns probably ooooo’

But nothing happens. They stay at home. Still getting paid.

327447 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cranmer, 2, #795 of 1459 🔗

the whole of England into Tier 4

Close enough!

  • Leicester City
  • Leicestershire (Oadby and Wigston, Harborough, Hinckley and
  • Bosworth, Blaby, Charnwood, North West Leicestershire, Melton)
  • Lincolnshire (City of Lincoln, Boston, South Kesteven, West Lindsey, North Kesteven, South Holland, East Lindsey)
  • Northamptonshire (Corby, Daventry, East Northamptonshire, Kettering, Northampton, South Northamptonshire, Wellingborough)
  • Derby and Derbyshire (Derby, Amber Valley, South Derbyshire, Bolsover, North East Derbyshire, Chesterfield , Erewash, Derbyshire Dales, High Peak)
  • Nottingham and Nottinghamshire (Gedling, Ashfield, Mansfield,
  • Rushcliffe, Bassetlaw, Newark and Sherwood, Nottinghamshire, Broxtowe)
  • Birmingham and Black Country (Dudley, Birmingham, Sandwell, Walsall, Wolverhampton)
  • Coventry
  • Solihull, Warwickshire (Rugby, Nuneaton and Bedworth, Warwick, North Warwickshire, Stratford-upon-Avon)
  • Staffordshire and Stoke-on-Trent (East Staffordshire, Stafford, South Staffordshire, Cannock Chase, Lichfield, Staffordshire Moorlands, Newcastle under Lyme, Tamworth, Stoke-on-Trent)
  • Lancashire (Burnley, Pendle, Blackburn with Darwen, Ribble Valley, Blackpool, Preston, Hyndburn, Chorley, Fylde, Lancaster, Rossendale, South Ribble, West Lancashire, Wyre)
  • Cheshire and Warrington (Cheshire East, Cheshire West and Chester, Warrington)
  • Cumbria (Eden, Carlisle, South Lakeland, Barrow-in-Furness, Copeland, Allerdale) Greater Manchester (Bolton, Bury, Manchester, Oldham, Rochdale, Salford, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan)
  • Tees Valley (Darlington, Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Redcar and Cleveland, Stockton-on-Tees)
  • North East (County Durham, Gateshead, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, North Tyneside, Northumberland, South Tyneside, Sunderland)
  • Gloucestershire (Gloucester, Forest of Dean, Cotswolds, Tewkesbury, Stroud, Cheltenham)
  • Somerset Council (Mendip, Sedgemoor, Somerset West and Taunton, South Somerset)
  • Swindon
  • Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole
  • Isle of Wight
  • New Forest
327450 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 2, #796 of 1459 🔗

Which areas are moving into tier 3?

  • Rutland
  • Shropshire and Telford & Wrekin
  • Worcestershire (Bromsgrove, Malvern Hills, Redditch, Worcester, Wychavon, Wyre Forest)
  • Herefordshire
  • Liverpool City Region (Halton, Knowsley, Liverpool, Sefton, Wirral, St Helens)
  • York & North Yorkshire (Scarborough, Hambleton, Richmondshire, Selby, Craven, Ryedale, Harrogate, City of York)
  • Bath and North East Somerset
  • Devon, Plymouth, Torbay (East Devon, Exeter, Mid Devon, North Devon, South Hams, Teignbridge, Torridge, West Devon, Plymouth, Torbay)
  • Cornwall
  • Dorset
  • Wiltshire
327781 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 2, #797 of 1459 🔗

Close enough to full lockdown without the inconvenience of a HofC debate and vote.

327411 mj, replying to mj, 30, #798 of 1459 🔗

just seen new tv ad for RNLI asking for donations . Couple of thoughts
it is a laugh that they need to beg for donations when you think of the billions spaffed by Johnson on covid .
The boats are manned by unpaid volunteers . I wouldnt want to go out in a small boat in a force 10. These people deserve to be called heroes.. And not overweight doctor’s receptionists or jobsworth nurses

327456 ▶▶ Annie, replying to mj, 10, #799 of 1459 🔗

Heroes who will let you die if you stop breathing, rather than do mouth to mouth.
Heroes who aren’t allowed to rescue you for a fortnight if some member of the crew tests positive.
Could try harder.

327771 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, #800 of 1459 🔗

They didn’t impose the regulations! The government did, no doubt enforced by insurance companies.

327495 ▶▶ LS99, replying to mj, 3, #801 of 1459 🔗

I would once have supported charities like the RNLI because, as you say, the lifeboats are manned by unpaid volunteers and there is something very noble about that. However, I suspect that being a national charity it will have been “got at” by the powers that be and if you dig around a bit on the internet you will soon see that money is being spent on all kinds of things that appear to have little to do with people in peril at sea. It’s just a hunch but these days I’m older and wiser and prefer to support small charities doing specific work either in the UK or in developing countries – charities that will spend your donation on good works rather than on “campaigns” and white elephants. It’s just a hunch … check it out for yourself but here’s a result from some idle internet searching for you to start with …


327499 ▶▶▶ V, replying to LS99, 7, #802 of 1459 🔗

Check the executive pay of the large well-known charities. You will vomit.

327545 ▶▶ mj, replying to mj, 1, #803 of 1459 🔗

re the comments below.. i appreciate the cynicism about larger charities and the way they spend money and i was aware of some of the strange guidelines that the RNLI has issued and things they have done at corporate level and so i would not disagree with any of the comments .
However at a local level i have known a few lifeboat volunteers and what i said still applies – these individuals are heroes when compared to NHS

327561 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to mj, 4, #804 of 1459 🔗

I used to love the RNLI but they’ve turned me right off this year. Whinging that the poor souls that they rescue should be staying at home rather than going outdoors, and moaning that they might die from covid, like going out in the rescue boats isn’t the dangerous part.

327412 Andy C, replying to Andy C, 20, #805 of 1459 🔗

My area goes into Tier 4, not that I plan to take any notice of course.

327442 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Andy C, 8, #806 of 1459 🔗

We are going from 2 to 3.

327445 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Andy C, 11, #807 of 1459 🔗

Same here although my area has one of the lowest CCP Virus rates in the country. Hancock is thick as shit but the local council don’t help, a Conservative mp and council as well but no pushback. We have the silver lining of the vaccine, both say. No good to me I need no vaccine.

327765 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to nottingham69, #808 of 1459 🔗

Labour councils are probably even worse. And my Tory MP is a total waste of taxpayer’s money.

327453 ▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Andy C, 5, #809 of 1459 🔗

We go from 2 to 3 but within a mile of the boundary to 4 (Somerset) What a complete farce!

327873 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to dorset dumpling, #810 of 1459 🔗

Sadly, we are on the T4 side of that boundary. Not that it makes much difference as the pubs will be closed in both.

327553 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Andy C, 5, #811 of 1459 🔗

Good luck in getting a haircut or piercing then. That’s the problem it’s hard to break the rules when there’s nothing open.

327426 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 25, #812 of 1459 🔗

Bojo the clown: “ There are plenty of reasons for people to be optimistic about the spring , but we must must focus on fighting the disease for now.”

Handjob: “We end 2020 still with great challenges but also with hope and confidence that in 2021 we have a brighter future ahead .”

Anyone else sick of hearing this shit from these two?

Edit: BBC Junior in charge today:

He says scientists worked at “ lightening speed” and congratulates all those involved.

Lightening? FFS!

327436 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ceriain, 18, #813 of 1459 🔗

As Banjones posted on here earlier today, the politicians know exactly how to play the masses.

And, as Orwell said: ” “Hopeful people are more easily controlled, but the volume must be managed. Too much hope leaves a person emboldened and resistant. Too little leaves them disabled and useless. But just the right amount of hope subjugates them. They cradle it like a dying ember, and they’ll do anything to keep the wind from extinguishing it…….”
Yes, we’re being well and truly manipulated.

327455 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Ceriain, 20, #814 of 1459 🔗

More shit sandwiches from possibly the most risible PM in living memory. I didn’t think it would be possible to despise the man so very much.

As these restrictions are now imposed almost immediately and it’s impossible to plan or arrange anything, I’m sensing a developing learned helplessness in people.

It’s a mental health time bomb for all ages, but the NHS and the Govt don’t really give a stuff about mental health. People with depression or anxiety are not clogging up A&E departments. They are in despair at home. So unless it can be blamed on ‘Long Covid’ it’s not newsworthy.

327546 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Ceriain, 2, #815 of 1459 🔗

Lightening is the opposite of blackface. Even I know that.

327576 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 3, #816 of 1459 🔗

Orwellian translations (invert to see the truth):

There are no reasons for people to be optimistic about the spring

In 2021 we have a darker future ahead

All very clear.

327682 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, 1, #817 of 1459 🔗

Yes it is definitely worth inverting what establishment figures say to get the truth. What amazes me is people fall for the same tricks again and again – the establishment controllers see people voluntarily going along with restrictions as a green light to impose more. Ferguson openly admitted they couldn’t believe their luck with the level of submission.

327618 ▶▶ TC, replying to Ceriain, 4, #818 of 1459 🔗

Of course there’s hope!
It’s all going to be looked at again/reviewed/assessed …in 3 weeks.
Have I heard that before somewhere?

327429 Jo Starlin, 10, #819 of 1459 🔗

Leo “Full Fact” Benedictus has come a long way from being a crap junior writer on a wine trade magazine and getting bollocked for making up quotes.

327432 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 8, #820 of 1459 🔗


Cringe display also celebrates Zoom calls and provides more tiresome NHS worship

327440 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to stefarm, 4, #821 of 1459 🔗


327472 ▶▶ mj, replying to stefarm, 8, #822 of 1459 🔗

early night for me tomorrow … avoid all the MSM shite

327484 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to stefarm, #823 of 1459 🔗

UGH, but typical

327443 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 37, #824 of 1459 🔗

Just been Tier 4’d in Lincolnshire. Business closed again, my mental health nosedive is predictably incoming.

So funny how “Super Magic Virus 2.0: South African Boogaloo” is confirmed to be the majority of new cases causing “THE SURGE”. Have we got fancy new RNA Sequencing PCR tests or something?

These are barefaced lies, aren’t they?

327448 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to JamesDrebin, 11, #825 of 1459 🔗



327452 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JamesDrebin, 18, #826 of 1459 🔗

Yes, if course they are barefaced lies.
Chin up, James. Stay strong, we’ll see them damned yet.

327465 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Annie, 11, #827 of 1459 🔗

What Annie said 💯 %

We can’t let these evil bastards win!

327490 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JamesDrebin, 14, #828 of 1459 🔗

Stay strong
They are doing this during the winter months to break as many spirits as possible
If they try this shit in May there would be mass non compliance

327951 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #829 of 1459 🔗

I hope you’re right. I’m beginning to give up hope of any sort of a fightback from the gullible and compliant masses.

327610 ▶▶ TC, replying to JamesDrebin, 3, #830 of 1459 🔗

The basis of a good lie I have been told,is to have some truth within the lie upon which to base it.
I live in hope that the further they move into deceit even the dimmest of the population will see it – I hope.
They are serial liars.

327458 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 33, #831 of 1459 🔗

My region has been moved from Tier 2 to Tier 3, even though ‘cases’ and ‘hospitalisations’ are not going up and have not for some time. I do not feel relieved at all that I have ‘escaped’ Tier 4 because I refuse to normalise this abuse. Tier 3 is not normal, and most things are bloody closed in Tier 3 anyway.

What a fucking mess. I find it very interesting how deaths are not really spoken of during this ‘pandemic’ – it’s just ‘cases, cases, cases, cases’.

I thought the hallmark of a pandemic was bodies everywhere…? Oh wait a minute…

327470 ▶▶ kev, replying to Poppy, 36, #832 of 1459 🔗

I’m in Berkshire, I can’t open my front door for all the dead bodies piled up, and the flies!!

Went for a walk in the woods near us and there was a middle aged couple wearing face nappies, their kid not. I just had an owerwhelming urge to grab a stick and beat them to death, its just insane. What does these people have between their ears?

327491 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to kev, 12, #833 of 1459 🔗

Stay safe out there, I’ve had to buy 4 new bumpers after ploughing through piles of dead bodies in Hampshire.

327536 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #834 of 1459 🔗

Yeah.. its a good job I’ve got a Volvo.. ha ha 😉

327542 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to George L, 4, #835 of 1459 🔗

A fine Swedish machine, unfazed by COVID and very solid!

327559 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #836 of 1459 🔗

Yeah.. its an Estate, so I’m helping the local morgue out and stashing a few bodies in the back until they get more refrigeration space..

327501 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kev, 12, #837 of 1459 🔗

it’s over people
When this is done only 99.7% of us will remain

327549 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to kev, 4, #838 of 1459 🔗

Let’s just be thankful that outdoor has not been imposed …. yet

327746 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #839 of 1459 🔗


327744 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kev, 1, #840 of 1459 🔗

Between their ears is full of BBC covidstats.

328026 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kev, #841 of 1459 🔗

Then hang them from a tree….upside down.

327480 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Poppy, 16, #842 of 1459 🔗

I’m in tier 4 with an MP who has told us there are 4 people with covid in hospital, he’s voted against the government every time, although with the Brexit deal. Today tier 4 appears to mean nothing much to the many out on a sunny day, except that things are closed. Its a rogue government

327600 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to DanClarke, 2, #843 of 1459 🔗

You seem to have an exceptional MP;most of them seem candidates for the morgue due to presumably being brain dead.

327489 ▶▶ George L, replying to Poppy, 13, #844 of 1459 🔗

It runs on cases. Its the only way they can keep it going. Overall mortality is normal..

327539 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Poppy, 3, #845 of 1459 🔗

I thought the hallmark of a pandemic was when Will Smith discovers Morgan Freeman lurking in a basement controlling the world with manic glee. But that’s just me…

327947 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Poppy, #846 of 1459 🔗

I’ve given up trying to keep up with what Tier my region is in or what regulations I’m supposed to be following. As far as I’m concerned it’s all bs. I won’t wear a mask in shops and I’m not going to bother to visit a pub as long as I’m expected to wear a mask whenever I’m stood up or order a “substantial meal” with a pint, so it’s pretty much all the same with me.

327460 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 10, #847 of 1459 🔗

Wonder why they want us locked down. Blair did say ‘not enough compliance’ and as he is the evil in the shadows, it could be the usual story to make us ‘Get Vaxxed for Freedom’

327741 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DanClarke, 1, #848 of 1459 🔗

“Not enough compliance” rings some very loud warning bells.

327483 Ceriain, 23, #849 of 1459 🔗

Sceptic loose on the BBC Live Feed again…

327485 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #850 of 1459 🔗

No teir 2?
There just seems to be teirs 1,3 and 4.

327497 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #851 of 1459 🔗

Tier 1 has a population of roughly 93…

327502 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Julian, 3, #852 of 1459 🔗

And 3 pubs.

327503 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #853 of 1459 🔗

Originally tier 2 was very popular with people. So much so that it has worn out. It is undergoing refurbishment and will re-emerge as Tier 5 as soon as this work can be completed. Tier 1 has been underused and will be relabelled Tier 2. Tier 1 will then be abolished. Hopefully, that clarifies the situation – AGOVREP

327509 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to godowneasy, #854 of 1459 🔗

Thanks for that.

327531 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to godowneasy, 5, #855 of 1459 🔗

Yes, did you also hear the new Tier 5 will incorporate 24hr non-stop Hancock commercials directed straight at your head-space so as to keep you safer..

327486 George L, replying to George L, 7, #856 of 1459 🔗

Well it looks like Tony Bliar’s superior medical knowledge has altered the governments course on getting the needle into you. Everybody must get the first shot. If this doesn’t convince anybody the whole thing’s a charade nothing will..


327494 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to George L, 6, #857 of 1459 🔗

A vaccine, with allegedly millions of dead bodies should not need Liar Blair to sell it.

327736 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to George L, 3, #858 of 1459 🔗

So the second dose should be administered within 21 days but suddenly it’s ok to defer it for 9 weeks?

327492 Liam, 10, #859 of 1459 🔗

Just watched that Alaska airlines video.

Speechless. I wish suffering on everyone involved in that obscenity.

327496 chris c, replying to chris c, 26, #860 of 1459 🔗

Thinking about the Nightingales from yesterday (OK I’m slow) . . .

Where we used to live, they closed two huge mental hospitals and turned them and the land over for luxury executive houses. Now you know what “care in the ciommunity” was for. They built a new general hospital on green belt land and closed three old hospitals, and turned them and the land over for luxury executive housing.

This was back in the eighties when investigative journalists still existed, but even so no-one seemed interested in following the money trail. Obviously obscene amounts of profit were made, but how much money made it back to the NHS?

Same for the Nightingales, huge sums of government money (ie. our money) were bunged to chums of the government to build and (partly) equip them, but they were hardly used. Were they leased or rented to the NHS? If only investigative journalism was still a thing someone might want to ask some questions.

Meanwhile on my walk today I met yet another sceptic and cynical bastard. There seem to be far more of them than maskoids. Which is good.

327508 ▶▶ stevie, replying to chris c, 1, #861 of 1459 🔗

Even if on standby they will still be paying for them. Most seem to be in Exhibition Centres (in London the Excel centre). They will be paying fees to the exhibition centre unless the companies have agreed to allow them to use it fr free.

327504 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 20, #862 of 1459 🔗

Just saw an announcement by Ch4 on their series of special programs to celebrate the NHS starting tomorrow night
“thank you NHS for all your work”

327506 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Silke David, 12, #863 of 1459 🔗

Tik Tok dances are very strenuous work.

327537 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #864 of 1459 🔗

I had a thought earlier and a serious question are all the tik tok dancers actors?

What do we think?

327667 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to stefarm, 2, #865 of 1459 🔗

No, actors receive training in how to dance.

327798 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, #866 of 1459 🔗

Good point well made.

327505 Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 12, #867 of 1459 🔗

981 deaths in past 24hrs?


Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date of death = 154
 Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date reported = 981

327524 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 2, #868 of 1459 🔗

So the weekly reduction in deaths was 4% a week ago and a further 1% this week. I think we can expect deaths to increase a bit in January, but no runaway growth.

327525 ▶▶ George L, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 12, #869 of 1459 🔗

They are rigging it so much that it barely means anything to me now..

327543 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to George L, 6, #870 of 1459 🔗

The numbers are meaningless without considering whether there’s any significant increase in people dying this year compared to previous years, in the equivalent period. And there isn’t….

327551 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to George L, 5, #871 of 1459 🔗

^^^^^^^^ Exactly this, George. I feel the same.

327533 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 5, #872 of 1459 🔗

Obviously for the Beeb, Sly and the MSM to justify the new Tier 4 bollocks. By date of death looks a tad different:

327578 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 2, #873 of 1459 🔗

The reported deaths in the last four days before today have been relatively low because late reporting over Christmas. I’m surprised today’s figure didn’t go above 1,000 as the tally caught up.

327582 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #874 of 1459 🔗

STOP PRESS. Yes, just listening to the Radio 4 new now. Great emphasis on today’s mortality figure being so much higher than yesterday’s – and the highest since April.

327593 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 11, #875 of 1459 🔗

This all seems to be operation vaccine psycho-ops, huge death figures, huge dodgy case numbers, move everyone into life crushing tiers 3 & 4 and then announce a nice new safe and cozy ‘Oxford Vaccine’ and make it clear that if you want this hoo-haa to end take up the vaccine. Joseph Goebbels would be pleased to think his techniques were being deployed to such useful totalitarian ends.

327962 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Steve Martindale, #876 of 1459 🔗

the coverage of the NHS in the last 24 hours was mental. Where something was accurately sourced as opposed to – a doctor in a London hospital- nothing stood up to scrutiny. QE in Woolwich declared an emergency, admitted 20, 209 in hospital, 500 capacity. The issue? shortage of oxygen.

327507 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #877 of 1459 🔗

BBC live feed: 16:09
Hancock: ‘It’s a day of mixed emotions’
Hancock told the Commons that he didn’t know whether to laugh or cry.

327512 ▶▶ chaos, replying to godowneasy, 9, #878 of 1459 🔗

I’d be more inclined to laugh if Bill Gates put a million in my back pocket.

327517 ▶▶ V, replying to godowneasy, 10, #879 of 1459 🔗

The only good thing Theresa May ever did was to demote that prick.

327540 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to V, 4, #880 of 1459 🔗

Best she she ever did as PM was the first thing: sack George Osborne.

327569 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to godowneasy, 5, #881 of 1459 🔗

What about shit your pants be afraid of the angry mob that is outside waiting to lynch you…

327513 Nobody2020, 51, #882 of 1459 🔗

Here’s a joke that always makes me laugh:

My boss pulled up one day in a brand new Ferrari. Impressed I asked him what it takes to get one.

He replied “If you work hard and meet all your targets, next year I’ll get another one”

In a similar vein, if people follow all the rules and regulations they will be rewarded with more rules and regulations. They certainly won’t get the reward they might have expected.

327514 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #883 of 1459 🔗

So primaries should open Monday, secondaries from 18th Jan. Could have been worse, no doubt. Will they stick to their guns though, or will things slide long before the 18th…

327591 ▶▶ TC, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #884 of 1459 🔗

There’s moving goalposts and then there’s the Government’s “What exactly are these goalposts you mention?”

327519 danny, 32, #885 of 1459 🔗

So this morning, all primaries will go back, along with exam classes.
Few hours later….
All tier 4 children banned from school for at least two weeks.
As a parent of a single child who loves school and really suffered the first closure, I am dreading upsetting her again.
As a secondary and sixth form teacher, I am appalled at how my profession (or the Unions at least) have pushed again for this. SIckening.

327521 chaos, replying to chaos, 17, #886 of 1459 🔗

Wouldn’t make much of a pandemic movie this real pandemic would it? 99.9% people survive. I prefer the version in my head where I am the only healthy man who has survived but there’s a handful of healthy pretty ladies who need rescuing here and there and we repopulate the earth with mini-mes. I basically pick and choose a car every day to pick up supplies. I only go out in the daylight cos the vaccinated zombies come out at night. Occasionally I lose a chick and then and I have to find another. I’m basically Charlton Heston in the Omega man.

327530 ▶▶ V, replying to chaos, 2, #887 of 1459 🔗

“Omega man”

I hope that one day someone is going to make an accurate movie potrayal of Matheson’s ‘I Am Legend’…

327588 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to chaos, 3, #888 of 1459 🔗

I watched a film yesterday I recorded a while back, “Outbreak” with Dustin Hoffman. I liked the bit where they decided the way to eradicate a virus contained in a small town was by nuking it, operation clean sweep they called it. Portent for the future perhaps?
I also watched “Contagion” some months ago, where a virus was set to kill 1 in 12 of the population. They got a magic vaccine just in time as they do in films, but it set me wondering what would governments do if they were faced with a real pandemic now? In England where realistically would you go above Tier 4 plus closing schools etc? There’s nothing much left to stop.

327617 ▶▶ Annie, replying to chaos, 2, #889 of 1459 🔗

I do love a modest hero!
Look out for Triffids.

327717 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to chaos, 2, #890 of 1459 🔗

I feel more like Donald Sutherland at the end of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”.

327724 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to PhilipF, 2, #891 of 1459 🔗

Me: I feel like Jean de Florette. Everything I try to do is just stamped on, not by a malevolent neighbour, but by this despicable excuse of a government.

327523 Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 2, #892 of 1459 🔗

5 Times this year the New York Times accidently told the truth

The paper of record in 2020 shifted dramatically to the most illiberal stance possible on the virus, pushing for full lockdowns, and ignoring or burying any information that might contradict the case for this unprecedented experiment in social and economic control. This article highlights the exceptions.


327535 l835, replying to l835, 47, #893 of 1459 🔗

I’ve definitely developed covid Tourette’s. Whenever I hear or see “covid safe xyz “ I find myself shouting “oh fuck off”

327554 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to l835, 24, #894 of 1459 🔗

Yeah my kids have got that. Apparently at school it’s a great wind up of the teachers: one shouts ‘cos’ covid’, another shouts ‘tick, tick’ and yet another shouts ‘fuck fuck’.

All the kids seem to be doing it and if a teacher pulls them up on it they all say that they are suffering terrible anxiety because of covid and that sometimes they blurt things out or something like that. As a responsible parent I obviously encourage them.

The other thing is Sunflower lanyards, it is the gift of the year apparently, there are LOADS of kids wearing exemptions…

There is definitely hope…


327692 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Arnie, 3, #895 of 1459 🔗

That’s great to read Arnie!


327712 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to l835, 2, #896 of 1459 🔗

It must be catching. I do that too!

328036 ▶▶ Carmen B, replying to l835, #897 of 1459 🔗

Yes, I’m sure my husband got sick of me shouting “f*ck off and die” every time a covid ad came on TV! Hardly any now, thankfully (I’m in Canberra, AUS).

327541 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 19, #898 of 1459 🔗

Remember Chicken Pox parties?

I just suggested to my family that if one of us actually gets the real covid virus (you know that virus hat virtually nobody anywhere has actually had?) then we should have a Covid Party and make sure we all get it and the immunity that follows.

ALL of my family said it was a great idea!

All we need to do is find someone, somewhere, who has ACTUALLY got the virus, much, much harder to do than the BBC, et al would have you believe…

327555 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to Arnie, 5, #899 of 1459 🔗

I remember when I was about 7 and got German measles my friend’s mum sent her round to stay with us for a few days in the hope of catching it. She slept in my room and it certainly made being ill more entertaining. I can’t remember if she caught it or not!

327563 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Arnie, 6, #900 of 1459 🔗

Why has this never been suggested for student residences? We have as much chance of succumbing to Covid as to the chicken pox!

327710 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to nocheesegromit, #901 of 1459 🔗

For students, shingles would be much worse than covid.

327547 NickR, 15, #902 of 1459 🔗

Deaths as reported today at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths . Cover the dates & then try & identify; start of lockdown, end of lockdown, start of tiers, change of tiers etc. Tricky, isn’t it!

327552 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #903 of 1459 🔗

here’s the latest info on my local NHS trust. It details patients admitted, in hospital and on ventilation.
Then there is a new detail: People received vaccination . I guess if I want to get out of tier 4 this figure needs to increase.

327565 ▶▶ stevie, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #904 of 1459 🔗

They don’t show how many are discharged from hospital.

327570 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to stevie, 1, #905 of 1459 🔗

ironic this NHS trust includes Northwick Park hospital. The one that panicked the Govt into Lockdown 1. Bit quieter these days!

327556 NickR, replying to NickR, 24, #906 of 1459 🔗

I just did the maths. With ‘cases’ at 50,000 a day & an R (I saw someone claiming the new variant had an R of 3) of 3, then 38m people will be infected by next Monday. Now, that would be a good result, we could declare it over & be back in the pub by this time next week.

327567 ▶▶ PFD, replying to NickR, -2, #907 of 1459 🔗

Not quite. The R number refers to the number of people an infected person will infect during the infectious period. This is somewhere between 5 and 7 days. So, say a tripling of the number of new infections every 6 days if R were equal to 3. Latest estimate I read for the new variant is R = 1.25

327688 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to PFD, 2, #908 of 1459 🔗


328092 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to NickR, #909 of 1459 🔗

Double killjoy… R0 != Rt

327557 Bartleby, replying to Bartleby, 17, #910 of 1459 🔗

Random Point One:

I see that Hancock claimed today that the majority of new cases “are believed to be the new variant”.

So during the whole PCR shenanigans, we’ve never been able to find out what the cycle threshold is for how many times a sample is amplified to detect a trace of the virus and have that reported, but now not only have we moved from a binary positive/negative result, we can now detect the exact variant?

That doesn’t feel credible, but perhaps there is someone knowledgeable on here who can provide some information on how the PCR or lateral tests can now detect a specific variant?

327558 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bartleby, 9, #911 of 1459 🔗

“Believed to be”. Unicorns, Father Christmas….

327564 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Julian, 7, #912 of 1459 🔗

Oi, leave Father Christmas out of it Julian. Unicorns and politicians on the other hand…



327577 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to Bartleby, 2, #913 of 1459 🔗

And if they are the new variant, so what?

327664 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Bartleby, 2, #914 of 1459 🔗

It happens due to pure coincidence that the mutation is in one of the handful of genes they match on.

So if the PCR is positive on the other genes but negative for that one then it’s probably the new variant. This is what they’re going on.

Just finding lots of the new variant doesn’t prove it’s more infectious although if it dies out that kind of proves it isn’t.

Balloux reckons even D614G (which took over everywhere) is not necessarily more infectious. His analysis looks at how many times a mutation arose independently and whether all of those family trees did well. If most of them didn’t it implies luck rather than fitness.

D614G arose at least 5 times and only once did well. N501Y (the mutation most likely to make B117 more infectious if there is one) has also arisen many times before and gone nowhere.

328136 ▶▶▶ Bartleby, replying to guy153, 1, #915 of 1459 🔗

Thank you, that makes sense. Appreciate you sharing some better knowledge than I had.

327595 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to p02099003, 17, #917 of 1459 🔗

Great article.

If I were to recommend actions. I would recommend that we stop testing – unless someone is admitted to hospital and is seriously ill. Mass testing is simply causing mass panic and achieves absolutely nothing. At great cost. We should also just get on with our lives as before. We should just vaccinate those at greatest risk of dying, the elderly and vulnerable, and put this rather embarrassing episode of mad banner waving behind us.

327572 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to DanClarke, 6, #919 of 1459 🔗

Leo Benedictus, failed ad exec and wine writer, is the brother of fox-killing Remainiac kimono aficionado and shitbag Jolyon Magham, QC.

327580 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #920 of 1459 🔗


327568 Bartleby, replying to Bartleby, 14, #921 of 1459 🔗

Random Point Two:

Years ago, I had a horrible chest pain that woke me up and frightened me. After about an hour, I decided to go to A&E and told them about the chest pains. I was seen relatively quickly and hooked up to an ECG and so on. No heart problem was found and I was given a clean bill of health after other checks were made.

I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s had something like that and then fear kicks in and you imagine it to be a lot worse. My random point this time is how do we know this fear factor isn’t also impacting some of the covid stats that people love to point to around hospitalisations? Given that we know how fearful and scared most people were and are, I’m sure some of those testing positive will get themselves into such a state that they will seek medical assistance even without feeling any worse than they would if they had a minor cold.

It would be interesting to be able to find out not just the numbers of positive covid people in hospital, but the numbers presenting for covid-like symptoms, whether they require admittance and so on – so we can see the true scale of demand on the endangered NHS?

327575 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Bartleby, 10, #922 of 1459 🔗

I had exactly the same problems in April this year and spent a day in hospital being tested. Heart fine, but I’m still dealing with panic attacks. Cause? Lockdown anxieties. I’m 60 and have never had these attacks before.

327583 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to PatrickF, 3, #923 of 1459 🔗

I suffered severe panic attacks for about 10 years from my mid 20’s to mid 30’s. They are horrific and sympathize massively. I highly recommend meditation and the Calm app is very good. The most important thing is controlled breathing exercises – this one is very good:


327585 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), #924 of 1459 🔗

Appreciated. Thanks very much.

327613 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bartleby, 7, #925 of 1459 🔗

I occasionally get indigestion.
For half an hour it’s stomach cancer, then the Rennies take effect.

327658 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Annie, 2, #926 of 1459 🔗

Drama queen! 🙂

327616 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bartleby, 9, #927 of 1459 🔗

I had similar a few years ago. Pain so bad I couldn’t breath. Taken off to hospital. They ran a blood test and confirmed I’d had a heart attack. The cardiologist came around for a chat the next morning and I described my symptoms and location of the pain. He told me that it was impossible that it could have been a heart attack and insisted I was retested. It came back clear and he said it was likely nothing more than a severe muscle spasm. I’ve not been too confident in diagnostic tests since!

327761 ▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to leggy, 1, #928 of 1459 🔗

Something similar happened to my husband just over a year ago. The paramedics were great, but once the cardiologist had seen him the next day, severe muscle spasms were diagnosed. He said he’d never felt such pain before.

327665 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Bartleby, 14, #929 of 1459 🔗

There was a whistleblower nurse who volunteered at one of the hospitals in Queens, NY that was at the epicentre of the pandemic in March/April and she said there were many people who were hyperventilating out of sheer anxiety. She knew they weren’t that ill and yet the doctors put them on ventilators almost immediately and killed them. She remains convinced that some of these people never had Covid. Then there was a story recently of a young guy who was told he was positive and became so anxious when driving home that he crashed his car. He was OK, but he could have easily killed or permanently injured himself because of his anxiety about having Covid when his odds of fully recovering were as close to 100% as possible.

327689 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #930 of 1459 🔗

Yes I watched that. She was so distraught about the one patient that died (presented himself as he was hyperventilating, then put on a ventilator) – patient was fine, they then ‘removed’ the nurse from the ward, put him on a ventilator and he was killed by the ventilator

328144 ▶▶▶ Bartleby, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #931 of 1459 🔗

Thanks Lisa, I suspected that the fear factor would play a role in people feeling breathless. I had the misfortune to watch some of the latest UK government propaganda briefing today and thought that parts of it were disgraceful in the narrative and presentation. Van Tam went completely overboard with many uses of words like precarious, dangerous, anyone watching it who wasn’t a sceptic would have likely walked away with their fear enhanced.

327573 suitejb, replying to suitejb, 15, #932 of 1459 🔗

What about the strange anomaly that is tiny Rutland. Despite being surrounded by areas in higher tiers it stubbornly remains lower every time there’s a change. What is their secret? Could it be because there is only one very small hospital in the county so few hospital acquired infections?

327609 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to suitejb, 2, #933 of 1459 🔗

My Northamptonshire parish borders Rutland, and my GP, Vet and Dentist are all in Uppingham..

On Nextdoor recently lots of people from Leicestershire villages near Uppingham have been complaining that businesses and people in Uppingham aren’t taking the “deadly” virus seriously!

327907 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Ossettian, #934 of 1459 🔗

I live in Malvern and we are now in tier 3 despite having a rate of 141/100K. I am convinced that it is because someone has complained that we are getting far too many visitors from Birmingham every weekend, and plenty during the week as well. The Malvern Hills have never been so busy as they have been this year. I also have no doubts that nothing will change in the near future either. Coffee shops will still do a roaring trade, it’s just that everyone will be sitting in the church yard instead.

327615 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to suitejb, 6, #935 of 1459 🔗

Perhaps somebody important lives there.

327952 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to suitejb, #936 of 1459 🔗

No McDonalds. At least up until Jan 2020 when approval was granted -not sure if it ever opened.

327581 Bartleby, replying to Bartleby, 14, #937 of 1459 🔗

Random Point Three:

Does anyone have an example of someone changing their mind on the internet? I don’t think I’ve seen an example of it in years.

That would apply to those of us who are sceptical as much as it would to those who are full covidian maskists.

I guess for me the facts that would need to change for me not to be sceptical about our reactions to covid are the following:

An IFR of above 1% or more.

Significant mortality and illness from every age group as in previous pandemics.

Strong proof that restrictions on personal liberty and decrees to wear masks actually correlate with reduced serious infections and mortality.

Sadly, I don’t think there are any facts that the non-sceptics would accept as being justification to change their fearful minds.

327596 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Bartleby, 13, #938 of 1459 🔗

I have had my mind changed.
One example – I used to blame the decline in council estates on Margaret Thatcher’s sell off policy. but I was convinced, in a protracted internet argument, that the problem started way before that in the 60’s when, driven by TV propaganda, councils started prioritising the feckless, the criminal, the addicted and the immoral over responsible but lowly paid working class families.
One of the revelations that caused me to understand that, to put it crudely, Labour doesn’t give a toss about labourers. And which helped to move my views from left to right – though still not in everything.

327620 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to redbirdpete, 5, #939 of 1459 🔗

I supported the policy of selling council housing until I saw convincing evidence that council housing is a much cheaper way of housing poorer families than giving massive sums to private landlords.

327637 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Ossettian, 8, #940 of 1459 🔗

Agreed, but what I was convinced of was the rot set in way before that policy was implemented. All my relatives when I was young lived in council houses on respectable and peaceable estates, all of them in low paid but vital jobs like council home helps (do they exist any more?)

Now many council estates are effectively no-go areas where most strangers would not visit. Luckily being from a dubious background myself I can usually get away with it. (Dad was a bare knuckle fighter back in the late 30’s in Soho – he made enough money to get an apprenticeship as a chef and never looked back)


327718 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to redbirdpete, #941 of 1459 🔗

I just knew you were a dubious character redbirdpete

327629 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to redbirdpete, 6, #942 of 1459 🔗

I like your thinking. You pretty much sum up my own views on council estates. I was brought up on one. No problems whatsoever, people had pride in their gardens/houses, and there was no trouble whatsoever. Not so later on when hundreds of new houses were added to the estate. After that it became known for nothing else but crime. The dregs were brought in and the original inhabitants started to be victimised and pushed out.

327611 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bartleby, #943 of 1459 🔗

I moved from thinking lockdowns may be a sensible option to my current sceptic position based on online research

I don’t think an IFR of more than 1% would necessarily trigger a change in my views, but it would depend on the other factors you mention and the likelihood of mitigating measures and treatments being able to be developed in a reasonable timeframe

327612 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bartleby, 7, #944 of 1459 🔗

Yes, Jon Rappoport changed my mind on covid.

I was taken in until about March 25th.

I would become concerned if the death rate amongst people around me pereceptibly increased, or if the government started trying to calm us down, instead of trying to scare us.

327630 ▶▶ james007, replying to Bartleby, 6, #945 of 1459 🔗

Rod Liddle has sort of changed his mind. He still thinks the first lockdown was right, but now questions the justification for current restrictions.
It’s strange to me that he is not a full blown sceptic – based on some of his other views about technocrats.

327661 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Bartleby, 15, #946 of 1459 🔗

If anything my views have got more hard line, I was totally shocked and had a real ‘I don’t believe it’ moment when all this carried on even after total registered deaths dropped back to normal in late May. I now feel that nothing justifies any deprivation of human rights, civil liberties and freedom of movement other than when the death rate rises so high that the total population of the country is likely to see a significant fall or the country is engaged on a ‘full on’ all out war. Otherwise our rights, freedoms and liberties are too valuable and too easily lost to ever be given away. I am now truly amazed that so many of my fellow countryman have been so ready to be reduced to the status of feudal peasants, bonded workers and serfs.

327683 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #947 of 1459 🔗

The peasants and serfs could go to the pub.

327754 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #948 of 1459 🔗

Yes, I’ll go along with that.
At this moment, I would need to see council refuse vehicles being used to collect the dead from hospitals and houses in a kind of updated Monty Python fashion before I will now be swayed from my scepticism. A consequence of a perpetual calling of “Wolf” by politicians and their pet mathematicians.

327734 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Bartleby, 3, #949 of 1459 🔗

I would not change my mind regardless of the ifr because I don’t believe the government has the right to interfere in every aspect of our lives. In any event, it is unnecessary as people will automatically adjust their behaviour to keep themselves safe. If Covid was the Black Death and people were dropping dead all around me, never mind a mask, I wouldn’t leave the house without a full hazmat suit.

327837 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Bartleby, 2, #950 of 1459 🔗

I actually had a lengthy chat with a diehard covidist on Twitter last week, started with him insulting me as a self-centered Trump supporting fascist, but after careful presentation of the facts it ended with him saying « I can see your point of view, mate… »…
I do believe I set the guy thinking for the first time.

327948 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Bartleby, #951 of 1459 🔗

the most obvious example is the always entertaining Toby and James London Calling Podcast. A year ago they were praising Boris as the new Messiah what with the General Election. But as Covid took hold they changed position. Last week Toby asked James if Boris had redeemed himself with Brexit. James was not going back

327584 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 39, #952 of 1459 🔗

I’m fuming. My grandson’s nursery has just decided to stay closed “temporarily” on ‘Health advice’ FFS!

He has a severe disability and gets so much from nursery. Not to mention the strain of caring for him at home which I help with. The pool is shut, (swimming is really good for cerebral palsy) and the physiotherapy sessions are now on Zoom which is not working well. At least other children that can walk and run can make use of a playground but these kids really suffer.
We will obviously complain but it’s just plain cruel.

327604 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Marialta, 20, #953 of 1459 🔗

The treatment of the most powerless people in our society – disabled children – has been utterly shameful.

327605 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Marialta, 14, #954 of 1459 🔗

Sorry to hear that

What they’ve done to all of us is sinful, but people with additional difficulties of various kinds have suffered even more

So much for “we’re all in this together”

Part of the Pandora’s Box that these bastards have opened is the general paranoia which will persist even if restrictions are lifted

327631 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Julian, 5, #955 of 1459 🔗

Paranoia is about right. The Manager is one of those powerful types that always knows best. They think that going above and beyond the actual rules makes them even more moral.

327608 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Marialta, 4, #956 of 1459 🔗


327651 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Annie, 3, #957 of 1459 🔗

Gadarene Swine. Possessed by evil, which will ultimately take them over the cliff edge of self-destruction.

327622 ▶▶ james007, replying to Marialta, 15, #958 of 1459 🔗

It is incredibly cruel. Vulnerable children are supposed to have access to nursery and preschool. Where are you supposed to take them?
The lack of swimming pools is terrible. Our disabled son has suffered by having no access to a pool. Many children cannot simply “go online”. Its not much better than sitting them in front of a TV.

327676 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, 4, #959 of 1459 🔗

Cruelty is the main symptom of coronapanic.

327834 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Marialta, 4, #960 of 1459 🔗

I sincerely, deeply hope that these people will one day be prosecuted and imprisoned for what they have done to children, especially those with a marked need for physical activity and human contact. This idiotic idea that care and education can be delivered “online” has to stop.

327587 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 13, #961 of 1459 🔗

Look what they have done .

Michael Jackson circa 2007 – international music star – aka Whacko Jacko – germaphobe – boy what a weirdo.

Helen Mirren – 2020 – internationally acclaimed actress – boy that’s really cool.

327597 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to godowneasy, 20, #962 of 1459 🔗


327599 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #963 of 1459 🔗

And an overrated actress too.

327589 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 9, #964 of 1459 🔗

Is anyone else watching the fat lazy fuck in its broadcast now and shouting “lies” at the TV after every sentence?

327592 ▶▶ Janette, replying to TheBluePill, 7, #965 of 1459 🔗

No I couldn’t bare to watch them gloat!

327594 ▶▶ l835, replying to TheBluePill, 7, #966 of 1459 🔗

I’m just shouting obscenities

327603 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to TheBluePill, 9, #967 of 1459 🔗

Won’t watch the twat.

327614 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TheBluePill, 14, #968 of 1459 🔗

Sorry I’m watching an old episode of the Professionals while lighting the wood-burner, it is as close to reality as i can get without boiling over. It really annoys me that there is no acknowledgement of the huge deprivation of human rights and civil liberties that they are imposing with no mandate, although as my wife says, even now, if you took a vote of the general public they would probably be in favour of all this and for me that is the saddest part. Why are the majority so acquiescent of all this?

327655 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #969 of 1459 🔗

Cost-Benefit Analysis.

People acquiesce as long as they think they have more to lose than to gain by not acquiescing.

When that changes, then look out.

327800 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Steve Martindale, #970 of 1459 🔗

The Majority is always wrong (Henrik Ibsen)

327748 ▶▶ TC, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #971 of 1459 🔗

No,my wife says she gets upset if I accuse them of lying and being totally (or even partly) stupid.
Mind you, she said she felt sorry for Hancock a few days ago. Yes,well we’ll differ there then.

327590 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #972 of 1459 🔗

Can anyone explain how, if Covid-19 is a notifiable disease and, apparently there are tens of thousands of “cases” daily, the actual figures, here on page 14, differ so dramatically? https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948507/NOIDS-weekly-report-week52-2020-1.pdf

Here’s the year’s full set of data for every week, so you can see it isn’t a Christmas blip in the reporting: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-weekly-reports-for-2020

327625 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #973 of 1459 🔗

I read something about this the other day, but forgot to save the link. Apparently there is a separate covid notification system used by hospitals etc, but occasionally there won’t be access to that (e.g. private doctor) and someone has to notify the old-fashioned way. Sounds more plausible than most things we are told…

327988 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #974 of 1459 🔗

Its well explained here
PANDAArticles-The-PHE-data-that-goes-against-the-narrative.pdf (pandata.org)

PCR is the driver basically.

328075 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #975 of 1459 🔗

That’s great. Thanks!

327601 Basics, replying to Basics, 15, #976 of 1459 🔗


Hancock at dispatch box holds back tears of confusion as he wafts his hand to further destroy lives. He is a weak little man full confusion over the regret he feels for his own actions. He cannot last. He has no character to help him last a shallow little runt happy to dupe a nation but his actions are catching up with him, his sub conscious knows it.

327606 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 5, #977 of 1459 🔗

I wish his actions would trip him up and bring him crashing down.

327706 ▶▶ George L, replying to Basics, 4, #978 of 1459 🔗

He needs my boot five lace-holes up his arse..

327602 kev, 6, #979 of 1459 🔗

Great article from James Delingpole about our PM (I can’t type his name any more), James is clearly a big fan:



327607 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 10, #980 of 1459 🔗

Ah, so they chose the name of tier 4 to be “Stay at home”. Personally I preferred “Ludicrously high”. What is level 5 going to be called? “Stay in bed”? “Stay locked in wardrobe”?

327624 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #981 of 1459 🔗

They’ve kind of done themselves out of a Level 5 really, by calling Level 4 “Stay at Home”. Hence I suspect we will see Tier 4+, which will be as Tier 4 but with schools closed.

327698 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #982 of 1459 🔗

Level 5 is concentration quarantine camps..

327723 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to George L, #983 of 1459 🔗

Surely it’s the re-education centres before the gas chamber, the chinese have shown the way forward with those.

327796 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #984 of 1459 🔗

I asked my husband what they could possibly do in a tier 5 and he gloomily said ‘start shooting people in the streets’.

327945 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #985 of 1459 🔗

Her Majesty’s Government is going to introduce tier five with “Kill yourself, save the NHS!” orders. By enabling the general population to kill themselves there will be fewer people able to catch the virus and ultimately burden the NHS.

The public information campaign will run with a secondary slogan “Neck, rope, drop!” in order to provide encouragement.

327619 DanClarke, 6, #986 of 1459 🔗

Its about the mega rich globalists controlling the population, which Fear is doing. Too many people messing up their world, Take away the money and you can control. Make them dependent on their government and you’ll control.

327621 NickR, 4, #987 of 1459 🔗

Keep testing more & more people with dodgy tests & you find more infections, in the community, in hospital & in the morgue.

327623 Biker, 4, #988 of 1459 🔗

This is reasonably funny, worth a watch

327626 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 18, #989 of 1459 🔗

Need to focus on unreliability of PCR tests


PCRclaims – Lawyers | Scientists | Psychologists
Representing pro bono lawyers gathering evidence for negligence, malfeasance claims against HMGov for use of PCR testing, causing unprecedented collateral harms

327636 ▶▶ George L, replying to Victoria, 8, #990 of 1459 🔗

Yes I’d agree with you there. Its these wretched tests that they are using to keep this charade going. That and the bare faced lies about mutations etc. Scamdemic is the true definition of this appalling lie..

327638 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Victoria, 3, #991 of 1459 🔗

Good luck to these lawyers, but I imagine it will be many months, if not years, before they get anything to court and I doubt it will go anywhere. I feel sure that the problems with PCR are never going to be openly acknolwedged.

327671 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #992 of 1459 🔗

I’m more optimistic. Portugal has already knocked a chink in their armour and internationally more will follow. It will take time, and we will be way behind the argument in the UK, but that particular house of cards will fall.

327702 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #993 of 1459 🔗

But that single court ruling has had no impact on testing policies in Portugal, has it?

327788 ▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Charlie Blue, #994 of 1459 🔗

Well there was talk inside the Government that the judges needed to be disciplined.

327970 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BJJ, #995 of 1459 🔗

That was a show of force, a warning. They were never reprimanded.

328088 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Charlie Blue, #996 of 1459 🔗

Possibly not, but it’s started to air the subject.

327642 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Victoria, -11, #997 of 1459 🔗

Need to focus on unreliability of PCR tests

Why? We clearly have a large number of people suffering from Covid-19. I’m not sure it really matters if there are 50 or 5 thousand new positive cases a day.

Throughout the summer months the ONS was detecting fewer than 0.05% (1 in 2000) positive cases. Why weren’t they picking up more False Positives?

The focus should be on showing the evidence that lockdowns have little or no effect on infection transmission.

327646 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mayo, 13, #998 of 1459 🔗

Also an important point because if lockdowns are believed to be the magic answer, they will be brought out again and again with every new disease or difficult winter to “protect the NHS”. It needs to be established that they are a Very Bad Thing.

327678 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #999 of 1459 🔗

Agree, I wonder how long the ‘protect the..’ mantra is supposed to go on for. Is there a definite end to it? if (for example) it is announced we could be coming under attack from foreign enemies – are we going to have heavy artillery & gattling guns in our back yards or gardens to ease the burden, Protect the Army, & to save lives?

327648 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, 6, #1000 of 1459 🔗

PCR is the ‘Achilles Heel’

How do you know that there is a disease ‘covid-19’, and even if there is, how do you know that many people are suffering from it?

327774 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to rockoman, #1001 of 1459 🔗

There is and symptoms confirmed with PCR is a very good test for it.

327857 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to rockoman, 2, #1002 of 1459 🔗

PCR is the ‘Achilles Heel’

It really isn’t.

How do you know that there is a disease ‘covid-19’,

There is a disease which is presenting in different ways to Flu and similar respiratory illnesses.

This is NOT the flu. Ask any ITU consultant.

327981 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, #1003 of 1459 🔗

Northern Ireland excess mortality.

All these people dying of Covid looks exactly like very other winter.

Plenty of PCR cases, a record today in fact.

327983 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1004 of 1459 🔗

I will also add that all the claims of hospital capacity is because our normal 5,800 beds here are down to around 2,800 due to Covid measures themselves.


328132 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, #1005 of 1459 🔗

Flu has disappeared this year

327662 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Mayo, 11, #1006 of 1459 🔗

Rubbish.. they are using the fake case numbers to lockdown the country. Get it the right way around.

Not only that, with a survival rate over 99% for most and ONS figures that suggest overall mortality for the year is nothing dramatic there is no pandemic. Its a sham, and if the WHO hadn’t changed the guidelines for a pandemic in 2009 at the request of their financiers in the pharmaceutical industry this would be just another year.

327851 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to George L, 1, #1007 of 1459 🔗

I’m not convinced the numbers are ‘fake’. The ZOE Covid Symptom study is recording 50k cases a day. The ONS survey tells the same story.

Why weren’t they detecting 40k or 50k cases back in the summer.

327714 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 2, #1008 of 1459 🔗

The two are part and parcel of the same problem – bad science.

327861 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, 1, #1009 of 1459 🔗

They are not.

The ONS survey can be used to debunk the False Positive hypothesis.

327769 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Mayo, 4, #1010 of 1459 🔗

Agree. The PCR bashing is a distraction and makes people look like cranks.

The most important thing is to stop lockdowns and restrictions.

But a close second is stopping mass testing (with any test) which is a huge waste of time and money. It’s also deeply unpleasant doing things like swabbing school kids with the army. Is this because they don’t want to pick on someone their own size?

327969 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mayo, 1, #1011 of 1459 🔗

I agree PCR should not be the focus. Personally my focus is basic human rights – even if PCR tests were 100% accurate and the IFR was higher and around 99.5%, I don’t agree with government restricting movement.

I think lockdowns can slightly reduce viral transmission – but they can only slightly slow it or change the pattern of spread. Because they modify the risk profile more more for the young/healthy than old/vulnerable, they increase preventable deaths. That’s without even factoring in the negative economic impacts.

My preference in terms of focus would be to get them prosecuted for crimes against humanity, then leave them to rot, but I realise this doesn’t quite have the weight of popular support it’d need currently.

327976 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #1012 of 1459 🔗

That’s a lofty aim, but PCR has to be taken out as the tool of oppression. If they could make in roads in court to show that they are unfit for purpose, it would be a massive wake up call given the sceptics have made this case since the start.

Its absolutely a key battleground, based on science, not conjecture or the fancy legal manoeuvres that outdid Dolans case. At the heart of it could well lie outright fraud, then the question becomes why? And then you may get your crimes against humanity case.

327959 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1014 of 1459 🔗

Brilliant. A snippet:

If I were to recommend actions. I would recommend that we stop testing – unless someone is admitted to hospital and is seriously ill. Mass testing is simply causing mass panic and achieves absolutely nothing. At great cost. We should also just get on with our lives as before. We should just vaccinate those at greatest risk of dying, the elderly and vulnerable, and put this rather embarrassing episode of mad banner waving behind us.

327967 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #1015 of 1459 🔗

Its a fantastic measured summary.

Basically, where are the excess pandemic deaths?

327628 romo90, replying to romo90, 9, #1016 of 1459 🔗

Meanwhile, the MSM has gleefully reported on stories of the Swedish PM telling people to stay home on TV and the Swedish king saying their strategy has ‘failed’, all the while refusing to report on the fact that the second wave in Sweden has ended earlier and quicker than anywhere else.

327965 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to romo90, #1017 of 1459 🔗

Ah nature, love it

327634 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #1018 of 1459 🔗

As a discussion point should capital punishment be brought back for politicians or, say, those accepting a role in cabinet/government?

It feels to me like a reasoned argument could be made that we need strong deterents in place for those men and women who push themselves forward to rule. It also is clearly arbitrary since we do not have any method of accountability functioning to call those men and women to account.

I don’t support capital punishment and don’t have a clearly set position on returning to it for the establishment roles. I do feel that there is a valid discussion to be had in respect of what our nation is going through.

Act without transparency, connect to foreign entities and do their bidding, there must be consquences of deterence. Government by ego has failed, egos are very easy to lead if you can lavish wealth onto them. What deterent does ego respond to?

327644 ▶▶ George L, replying to Basics, 15, #1019 of 1459 🔗

What these politicians and their advisors are doing is treason in my book. They are responsible for the deaths of thousands and wrecking the economy on purpose on the orders of outside agents. Death is too good for them in my opinion..

327727 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to George L, 3, #1020 of 1459 🔗

Death gets rid of them.OK by me.

328038 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to George L, #1021 of 1459 🔗

Treason was exactly the word that came to my mind.

327660 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Basics, #1022 of 1459 🔗

Not sure what would work, but the ability to ‘follow the money’ by whatever means seems to keep some on the legal path.

327635 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 16, #1023 of 1459 🔗

Well I have to say its been a master class pysop operation with a web of lies and obfuscation that they have managed with help from their friends in the media to prolong for 10 months now.

This has been the plan since March. It has been a master piece of propaganda and lies but they have managed to reach the end goal with little problem.

Now we will be locked down until the vaccine has been rolled out with 3 – 4 months to complete this. They have until the weather changes and the seasonal affects we are currently experiencing are dissipated by the weather. That seasonal variation will then be attributed to the vacinne and any lingering affects of cold and flu lain at the door of the vaccine refuseniks.

Sad to say they have us where they want us now and it will take some form of civil disobedience to overcome this from here.

They have reached their optimum goal i.e. the time of seasonal flu and we can expect daily fear / death porn stats from the likes of the Mail and Guardian as this ramps up against the vaccine roll out.

Tough times ahead now I think but their is a lot more sceptics around this time then there was in March so there is hope.

328085 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #1024 of 1459 🔗

To be fair to the Mail, they have actually been quite sceptical in the last few weeks. The Guardian has been horrific.

327640 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 27, #1026 of 1459 🔗

If Johnson and Handcock were desperately worried about a deadly disease would they be sitting laughing in Parliament, would Johnson be sitting with his feet on the desk cheering about Brexit, etc etc, they are a ROGUE parliament

327791 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1027 of 1459 🔗

They are the deadly disease and love rubbing our noses in it. Evil.

327643 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1028 of 1459 🔗

Can someone please tell me, are schools going to be open in Tier 4 next week or not? Primaries but not secondaries? I simply can’t bear to watch or look at the news any more. Need to know for my 6 yo who is home educated, but all her regular groups and activities will have to stop if schools are closed.

327645 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1029 of 1459 🔗

Not secondaries, but most primaries in Tier 4. There will be a list of those Tier 4 areas where they claim cases are rising the fastest and primaries will not get back yet. Secondaries everywhere from 18th, I think.

327652 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Charlie Blue, #1030 of 1459 🔗

Thanks. Hopefully we won’t be declared to be in one of the worst areas…

327758 ▶▶ james007, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1031 of 1459 🔗

As far as I understand, the list of doomed places where preschools will not open has not been published. I’ve just wasted some time reading out of date guidance on gov.uk

327647 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #1032 of 1459 🔗

Queens hospital in Essex today – empty


327675 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Victoria, 2, #1033 of 1459 🔗

Wouldn’t expect to see much in a waiting area…

327701 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 6, #1034 of 1459 🔗

I’m in one and hospitals are busy, but only as would be expected at this time.

The apparent emptiness in public areas is about infection control.

328030 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #1035 of 1459 🔗

Have you read the poster on the wall?Oh the irony.
You can be in a room full of people and feel loneliness.
Chance would be a fine thing!

327649 EllGee, replying to EllGee, 40, #1036 of 1459 🔗

Aldi, doing some shopping. A junior being around the age of three was walking passed me. She walked by and then ran back. YOU HAVE A FACE. She was genuinely bewildered. It was probably the most depressing thing for months. What the heck is happening!!

327801 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to EllGee, 13, #1037 of 1459 🔗

That is so sad, her parents have probably scared her to death and said barefaced people are dangerous!. I had something similar where a child, about 8, looked at me with fear in her eyes and went to Mum and whispered (loudly)that there is a lady without a mask on. Mum then said very loudly whilst looking at me with daggers, “never mind darling, stay here with me”. I went home and cried, not for me but for my children and grandchildren. I’m not sure I will have long left if my anger and stress levels don’t come down.

328169 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to EllGee, #1038 of 1459 🔗

Smiling is probably the best response.

327650 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #1039 of 1459 🔗

Bozo just confirmed – muzzles are forever.

327653 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1040 of 1459 🔗


327656 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Julian, 8, #1041 of 1459 🔗

When things return to normality in Spring there may be some measure we want to keep such as masks – that was the gist of it

327657 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #1042 of 1459 🔗


327672 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to TheBluePill, 35, #1043 of 1459 🔗

There is no fucking chance of returning to ‘normality’ in the spring,even if so how would masks be normality ?.My anger is now at a dangerous level,I hate the compliant morons that make up most of the population of the UK as much as I hate the government.The bastards in power that are destroying us and our nation need to feel the despair that we do,we need to make them feel real fear and hopelessness,they need to be afraid for their own skins.

327686 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Paul, 24, #1044 of 1459 🔗

I thought I hated Blair, Brown and May but wow, my hatred for this bunch of mass murderers is off the scale. I never thought myself capable of doing things with my bare hands that I am sure I could do now, given an opportunity. I would take the punishment if it saves humanity from these maniacs.

327687 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Paul, 21, #1045 of 1459 🔗

Yep. I blame the majority of the general public for all of this. The media and government are utter scumbags, but they would have no power if the public had common sense and the ability to think for themselves. They have neither.

327735 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Hubes, 13, #1046 of 1459 🔗

You’re right. If just 20% of people refused to wear muzzles this shitshow would be over tomorrow.

328120 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to TJN, 1, #1047 of 1459 🔗

Even 1% might get the job done.

327787 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hubes, 4, #1048 of 1459 🔗

I could not agree more. If I cross paths with any collaborator who deserves my contempt, and the opportunity presents itself for a short exchange, I am going to say that we are all going to be living in total enslavement and crushing poverty for the rest of our miserable lives because of them personally.

327722 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Julian, #1049 of 1459 🔗


327666 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to TheBluePill, 23, #1050 of 1459 🔗

I don’t wear one and I won’t. Masking is alchemy and oppression, not science.

327670 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #1051 of 1459 🔗

I don’t watch the Clown Show, but nothing has appeared in print so far. What were his actual words?

327700 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1052 of 1459 🔗

That’s why I put myself through the torture of watching it – the important words don’t get printed. I really can’t rewatch it to state the exact words for you though. My blood pressure is at maximum for today.

327685 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheBluePill, 7, #1053 of 1459 🔗

Then everyone should get a exemption badge.

327654 Hubes, 6, #1054 of 1459 🔗

“Happy New Year” will surely only be said ironically from now on.

327669 l835, 7, #1055 of 1459 🔗

If Doris, JVT and that other bloke were banned from saying if, but, maybe, hopefully, perhaps, might and chance, the briefing would have been over in 2 minutes.

327674 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 22, #1056 of 1459 🔗

And so the behemoth rumbles on. Unstoppable, unchangeable, uncaring. ‘We now think the best way to roll out the vaccine to give maximum benefit, is to give only one dose to start with. Followed THREE MONTHS later by a second dose (which will take another few months to administer). Unsaid here but elsewhere (natch) “Full protection will not be achieved until both doses have been administered”. Towards autumn then. That will give plenty of time to introduce a National Salary, which will be necessary by then because of ‘surging’ unemployment …. Another stepping stone.

327752 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #1057 of 1459 🔗

UBI guaranteed now.Collapse of sterling to follow.The trap is slowly closing

327790 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #1058 of 1459 🔗

Exactly, yet another excuse to push back the “return to normal” indefinitely. This time because they admit they cannot vaccinate that number of people by the (previous) Easter deadline.

By the way what is it with all these Covid-19 death shots that they all require two doses?

327924 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Richard O, #1059 of 1459 🔗

They call it “a double tap”.

327677 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #1060 of 1459 🔗

Is it feature now that we log in posts go into moderation and then disappear?

327739 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #1061 of 1459 🔗

I think if you post too many links at once?

327826 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to leggy, #1062 of 1459 🔗

Didn’t post any links. The post above went into moderation also. Thought it may be a ‘feature’ of the new authorisation process.

327680 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, #1063 of 1459 🔗

So will the vaccine do anything when we have a huge illegal population in the country, will they turn up to be vaccinated?

327725 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1064 of 1459 🔗

It will be used to justify an amnesty.

327819 ▶▶ Biker, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1065 of 1459 🔗

No human is illegal, bigot. I’m so woke i’m prepared to let any illegal immigrant have my vaccine. I’m prepared to risk my life to help another soul with theirs.

327841 ▶▶ Colin, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1066 of 1459 🔗

And when are we going to have a huge illegal population in the country ? And even if we do, what is the relevance to lockdown scepticism?

327681 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 12, #1067 of 1459 🔗
327695 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #1068 of 1459 🔗

“You’re acting like a Nazi”. She got that right.

327709 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to leggy, 5, #1069 of 1459 🔗

Gosh! I watched the film “death of Stalin” yesterday. Didn’t expect to see the NKVD walk the streets of Britain and enter people’s houses to arrest them!

327732 ▶▶ TC, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1070 of 1459 🔗

Was she arrested for that?
Sounds like an arguable false imprisonment case.
Was this the YT video an MP from Gloucestshire was trying to exhort the Home Secretary to investigate as her local hospital was flat out full,working beyond capacity etc..or have I got that wrong?

328019 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TC, #1071 of 1459 🔗


327733 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1072 of 1459 🔗

It is shameful. When there is an actual incidence going on, police are not available.

327762 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1073 of 1459 🔗

Not allowed to question authority in Boris Johnson’s police state Britain, especially the new national religion NHS.

I wonder if Human Rights groups will speak out? I doubt it as many are funded by the UK establishment as a front to attacked ‘authoritarian’ regimes abroad. Tyranny supported yet again in the UK.

327818 ▶▶ Bill Gisz, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1074 of 1459 🔗

Tyranny first and foremost needs to have a loyal, dim-witted, brutal police force. Without the back up provided by their State Security thugs, even the most evil ‘would be dictator’ is just a crank railing against the world.

327684 godowneasy, 8, #1075 of 1459 🔗

For anyone interested in Ireland – Same shit as UK – agreed today that schools remain closed till 11th Jan (all of them), full level 5 lockdown until end of January – no household visits, no travel beyond 3 miles, no non-essential retail, no sports (unless “elite”), etc etc. The Irish plan is supposed to be by county but they can’t be arsed to do that any more, so it applies to the whole country.


327690 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1076 of 1459 🔗

Info from Dr Craig and co about the mystery of the notifiable diseases data.

327958 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, #1077 of 1459 🔗

Excellent. So concise and shows data sets which agree with each other contradicting the PCR farce epidemic. Its clear to anyone that asymptomatic spread is a tool for control of the narrative rather than a medical concern.

328016 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, #1078 of 1459 🔗

Thank you! I posted a question about this anomaly earlier.
The answer is what I suspected!

327693 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 12, #1079 of 1459 🔗

Can someone (someone not a member of SAGE, obviously) explain to me the rationale in shutting down the North-West when cases there are falling? (see graph above)

327704 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to redbirdpete, 12, #1080 of 1459 🔗

They would rise again if we didn’t shut down all areas where it is falling. That’s science.

327707 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #1081 of 1459 🔗

I think you know the answer to that… No.

327792 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #1082 of 1459 🔗

It reminds me of how they forecast the weather in the Yorkshire Dales. “If you can’t see the top of Penyghent it’s raining, if you can it’s just about to start”.

328084 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Fiona Walker, #1083 of 1459 🔗

We have the same system in Blackburn, but Pendle Hill is our yardstick.

Pen Y Ghent on a quiet day is a wonderful walk – probably my favourite – from Helwith Bridge then over Plover and back round the bottom in time for lunch beside Hull Pot. Especially on a sunny day in spring when the primroses are in flower in Hull Pot.
(Hanging on to the simple joys of life. Just about.)

327708 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to redbirdpete, 8, #1084 of 1459 🔗

They want to whole country to be begging for the vaccine to be let out

327757 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1085 of 1459 🔗

Is the correct answer

327780 ▶▶▶ suitejb, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1086 of 1459 🔗

Well from people I know it’s working!

327719 ▶▶ l835, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #1087 of 1459 🔗

Boris promised to “level up” the country.

327705 Tom Blackburn, 2, #1088 of 1459 🔗

Has Pfeffel closed the nail salons?

327715 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 22, #1089 of 1459 🔗

I’m not one for new year’s eve apart from Jules’s hootanany but I urge the Scots to have the biggest p×ss up of all time and chuck wee Jimmy Cranky in loch Lomond,Ness or any other body of water that they choose.

327720 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1090 of 1459 🔗

Ness is best: monster fodder.

327753 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Annie, 2, #1091 of 1459 🔗

But then you’ll get to actually see the Monster as it’ll just spit her out on the shore.

327785 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mhcp, #1092 of 1459 🔗

Would walk three hundred miles in my sox to see that.

327860 ▶▶▶▶▶ Colin, replying to Annie, 3, #1093 of 1459 🔗

Huh. I would walk FIVE hundred….

327862 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Colin, 1, #1094 of 1459 🔗

And I would walk 500 more!

327895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to smileymiley, #1095 of 1459 🔗

What if I haver?

327993 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, #1096 of 1459 🔗

The Turdgeon would eat Nessie!

327730 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1097 of 1459 🔗

I’m not normally big on New year’s celebrations either, but after seeing the clown show I think I may have to throw a party to celebrate Tier 4, think I have enough lockdown booze left for at least 10 guests.

327745 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to TheBluePill, 6, #1098 of 1459 🔗

if you live in London you can either go to Piccadilly Circus where Patti Smith will be doing a 10 minute tribute to the NHS on the ad screens or you can go down to Parliament square and listen to Big Ben at midnight which has been brought back into service for this occasion. So you can’t say nothing has been laid on!

327726 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 43, #1100 of 1459 🔗

I have just had a chat with a potential customer. She is bringing her son’s laptop round which seems to be twatted for some reason. I get to the weird bit of the call, “when you come round can you NOT wear a mask please”
She says
“What you DON’T want me to wear a mask”?

“No!” I say “certainly not! They do my head in, I can’t be bothered with all this covid insanity, if you are worried about catching the covids then no problem we can sort thing out outside”
“OK”, she says,

Then she says “I am a carer so I have to be extremely careful”.

Oh deary me. the damage that has been done to people, it’s carnage.

All she is doing is dropping of a fucking laptop.

Just to try to make this lunatic ayslum we used to call “real life” a little more bearable:

I might get out a little camping table, a plastic chair to sit on, a bottle of sanitizer on a post, draw some lines on the drive-way and put up a few of those extenda barriers. Make a sort of funnel or coral. I might get a QR code for them zombies to scan, a box in which customers can safely deposit their twatted laptops into.

I can sit behind a little plastic screen and put on blue gloves, a visor and a mask and perhaps I could sort out some kind of de-contamination mister system with UV lights and a hose pipe to maintain a permanent shower of fine particles of a solution of Cillit Bang.

I could arrange for a traffic light system, to show the customer a green light when it is safe to approach me, once I am safely behind the screen with my PPE in place.

ONLY THEN can she walk forward and deposit her twatted laptop into the “isolation zone”, then step back behind the lines.

I bet the sheeple would love this shit, check-a-trade- thumbs up off the charts.


327782 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Two-Six, 19, #1101 of 1459 🔗

Next time, remind the silly cow that face knickers DO NOT PROTECT THE WEARER.

327817 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Annie, 4, #1102 of 1459 🔗

Or anyone else. MW

327898 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Annie, 2, #1103 of 1459 🔗

I am going to try to undo some brainwashing with her, it’s going to be interesting. She sounds like a proper “case”. (Study)

327731 Annie, replying to Annie, 11, #1104 of 1459 🔗

They dug up Shakespeare (again) today.
Guess what they found he died of.

327740 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 4, #1105 of 1459 🔗

Been thinking about King Lear over the last few days. Resonates with me right now.

327751 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 6, #1106 of 1459 🔗

What about Jesus?
Covid crucifixion?

327763 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Annie, 6, #1107 of 1459 🔗

Loooooooong Covid presumably.

327809 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Annie, 8, #1108 of 1459 🔗

They’ve just re-examined Richard III in Leicester and have come to the conclusion that he wasn’t killed at Bosworth but was patient 0 in the coronavirus pandemic of that time.

328083 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Annie, #1109 of 1459 🔗

Wasn’t he the second person to get the vaccine?

327742 TJN, replying to TJN, 10, #1110 of 1459 🔗

At what point does something break?

327747 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to TJN, 7, #1111 of 1459 🔗

Inherently unpredictable, but it will happen.

327760 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to TJN, 42, #1112 of 1459 🔗

The British people are not only bending over but are double jointedly putting their feet behind their ears and are then begging Doris and Twatcock to ‘Do it harder ‘cos I’ve been a bad boy/girl/alphabet person’.

Right now if Doris turned up with a 14 Inch ‘Throbber’ 90% of the population would demand a 24 Inch ‘Throbber of Doom’ with built in razor blades and a charge of C4 for that ‘extra oomf’ that is sometimes necessary…

I despair for the majority I really do, truly the only way out of this is for the general public to feel as much pain as possible in an attempt to open their eyes. Unfortunately for us sceptics we are along for the rough ride with the ‘nowt so blind as those who refuse to see’.


327772 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Arnie, 33, #1113 of 1459 🔗

This is just uncharted waters. I never thought we would get anything near this. I don’t understand or relate to the great majority of my fellow countrymen. In fact, I regard them with disdain. Even if this all ended tomorrow, I don’t know where that would leave me.

327786 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to TJN, 24, #1114 of 1459 🔗

I’m beginning to despair of it ever ending. We are not dealing with rational people but collective insanity.

327812 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to redbirdpete, 12, #1115 of 1459 🔗

Don’t despair. Yes, it’s collective insanity. But history tells us that eventually the insanity will lift, although only after leaving huge damage in its wake.

327836 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #1116 of 1459 🔗

We may be close to, or even past, the point where the public will not believe the politicians when they say it is all over.

327858 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Colin, replying to Crimson Avenger, 2, #1117 of 1459 🔗

Exactly – it’ll be like one of those doomsday cults where the predicted day comes and goes, the world doesn’t end, the believers admonish each other for « not believing enough » and they set a new date…

327852 ▶▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to TJN, 5, #1118 of 1459 🔗

Yes, I agree. A number of my so called friends just appal me with their unquestioning belief that everything “will be back to 2019 normal by the summer when we’ve all been vaccinated.”
I’ve always liked dogs, beginning to think they’re more worthy of being my friends. Mankind in general, apart from we the minority, largely just disgusts me.

328128 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to dhpaul, 1, #1119 of 1459 🔗

I prefer cats to most humans. They don’t lie, are loyal and make you feel better by their presence.

327839 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Arnie, #1120 of 1459 🔗

That was… poetic?

328076 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Arnie, #1121 of 1459 🔗

Yes it’s unfortunate for us that we are going to take a battering at the same time. But our eyes are open and we are to some extent mentally prepared for it. For those who are refusing to see, the pain will be worse.

328077 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TJN, 1, #1122 of 1459 🔗

When it hurts enough people personally. Which usually means in their pockets.

327743 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 14, #1123 of 1459 🔗

Almost 20 years ago QinetiQ was formed out of DERA. Sir John Chisholm was the accountant turned CEO who was given the opportunity to buy shares pre float, along with other senior managers. The shares were geared.

For an investment of around £130,000 he walked away with £26 million in share value (at £2 per share).

Others equally made out like bandits. None of the lower staff, for example, the 25-year research guys got the opportunity to buy this amount of shares.

Carlyse group (George Bush Senior) was involved.

When I look at the AstraZeneca vaccine and that Vallance has some investment in that company, I can’t but think this is another money grab for those in the know. And we’ll just shaft everyone else.

But then in a wider scope, there’s a massive crash coming, because we are seeing the hypothecation of money into Big Pharma and due to the real strain in the debt bubble. The same thing happened during 2008 when the MBS crash was occuring. Oil, copper, rice prices fluctuated wildly as new spectulators got involved in the market trying to make a quick buck.

It’s all about fucking money and narrative to make more money.

327764 ▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, #1124 of 1459 🔗

I remember the qinetiq scandal well. Were you there?

327825 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to TJN, 3, #1125 of 1459 🔗

Worked there for almost a decade from 2002.

327872 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, 1, #1126 of 1459 🔗

We may have crossed paths. I was on the underwater bit, but left a couple or more years before you. The I found out that DSTL was an even bigger mess.

Like I say, it comes as no surprise to me to see that – when put to the proper test – government science is revealed as being completely fucked.

327984 ▶▶▶▶▶ james007, replying to TJN, 1, #1127 of 1459 🔗

In my bit in Malvern, some senior managers moved in to commercialise some projects. They didn’t seem to understand that successful research requires time, investment and brains.
A project would cost money – and the attitude would be – ‘we got our fingers burned there, let’s shut it down’.
There was an obsession with numbers, over staff and quality. They didn’t seem to have much of a vision as to what they wanted our division to be.

328033 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to james007, 1, #1128 of 1459 🔗

Sounds familiar. Our lot were always going to fail. Hopeless, and promoted only because they did, said, and thought what they were told.

328098 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ james007, replying to TJN, 1, #1129 of 1459 🔗

True, a bit like a number of currrent government ministers.

328233 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to james007, #1130 of 1459 🔗


327766 ▶▶ james007, replying to mhcp, 1, #1131 of 1459 🔗

I remember the National Audit Office investigation into QQ and the Carlisle group. John Major was also involved if I remember correctly. It was all a bit of a sham, and it was a horrible place to work if you were in one of the bombed out parts of the company, with virtually no work.

327779 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to james007, 3, #1132 of 1459 🔗

Another ex qq employee? I’ve been wondering if there are any on here.

Having seen from the inside the destruction wreaked on government science, the current shitshow comes as no surprise to me.

Chisholm and Love should have gone to jail.

327789 ▶▶▶▶ james007, replying to TJN, 1, #1133 of 1459 🔗

Yes, it was the strangest company I ever worked for. We would often see presentations from senior managers, which had no relation to the company we were working for.
There was something of a north-south type divide between sites. Farnborough had a completely different culture to Malvern for example.

327810 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to james007, 4, #1134 of 1459 🔗

I can honestly say I fought those bastards every inch of the way down.

What I learnt and saw then is a sort of a template for what is going on now. Maybe that’s in part why I never despair over this current shitshow, but just get angry. I’ve been through this movie before.

327832 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to TJN, 2, #1135 of 1459 🔗

It was always about hollowing out the business and turning the whole thing into a rental estate, at least at Cody. Which incidently is what it is.

327846 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to mhcp, 1, #1136 of 1459 🔗

They’re busy building homes on the site in Malvern right now.

327885 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Felice, #1137 of 1459 🔗

When you think of the science that was undertaken at Malvern – pre Chisholm – that the site is now a housing development is a testament to all Chisholm and his shower stand for.

327879 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, 2, #1138 of 1459 🔗

I remember when some US guys came over to visit our site and were blown away. Couldn’t believe what we had on our hands there and said you just couldn’t buy a site like that for any money in the US.

A week later they announced the site closure.

It was a painful experience to see what damage managerialism would do – with its handmaids greed and hubris. I recognise the many of the same features in the covid shitshow, although on a much larger scale of course.

327954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to TJN, 1, #1139 of 1459 🔗

In an earlier life I had contact with some of the extraordinary people at RSRE Malvern such as the highly distinguished Cyril Hilsum (still with us at 95 I believe), theoretician of the Gunn diode, (solid state source of microwaves), who fought so hard to maintain a LCD and solid state display technology base in the UK.
A housing estate now ? Tragic.

328039 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mikewaite, #1140 of 1459 🔗

And a vignette of why government science is now so absolutely shit.

327783 ▶▶ james007, replying to mhcp, 1, #1141 of 1459 🔗

I have no idea what is going to happen in the global economy. I can’t see how were are going to return to real growth for some years, but asset prices may continue to rise.
Much of the money being created will be spent by governments trying to prop things up (eg. paying people not to work, or backing loans on failing businesses).
Wouldn’t surprise me if we see a series of eye-watering “stimulus” packages, to build infrastructure and green related bungs.
I think much of this money will not lead to any gain in productivity or have any real pay-off. Governments are generally not great at spending in economic ways.

327750 Annie, replying to Annie, 23, #1142 of 1459 🔗

Just watching a programme about the Stasi. ( Abandoned Engineering .) Apparently it was headed by Mielke, a ‘bland, unremarkable bureaucrat’. Entirely focused in controlling the population… a surveillance state, the scale of which had never been seen before … paid to inform on their colleagues… family members informing on one another…

Sounds familiar somehow.

BUT After the fall of E. Germany, Mielke was publicly disgraced onTV and then sent to prison.

There is hope.


327770 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Annie, 1, #1143 of 1459 🔗

Did Angela Merkel get a mention?

327773 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Annie, 5, #1144 of 1459 🔗

One of my favourite programmes. I actually make a list of the items featured, then when a repeat comes round (as it does frequently on the Yesterday channel) I can look to see if it’s worth watching again. My main interest is in industrial sites but the ones from the Nazi and Communist eras are also interesting. According to my list the episode you mention features three sites in former East Germany plus submarine pens in Croatia.

327793 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Edward, 1, #1145 of 1459 🔗

if you have smart tv or pc, Yesterday is on the UKTV play app so you can get them all

327803 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to mj, #1146 of 1459 🔗

No smart TV, but I could watch on my laptop.

327776 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Annie, 6, #1147 of 1459 🔗

Not Honecker though. He got ‘ill.’

On a related note, Honecker in the early 70s was quick, charismatic, good looking, as close to being competent for absolute power as could be hoped – the Politburo had chosen well. In 1989, Western observers believed the Eastern Bloc was secure, and East Germany in particular. They thought that in part because, although Honecker had been ill, they expected him to make a full recovery – and that a fully recovered Honecker would be just as effective as the 1970s version. They hadn’t recognised that the context in which Honecker had been successful no longer existed.

There is a parallel with those who expect to get ‘the old Boris back.’

327874 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 1, #1148 of 1459 🔗

Mielke was actually charged with killing a policeman during Weimar turmoil before the Nazis came to power. Not quite so bland and unremarkable.
East Germany as a surveillance state? Well, they kept files on paper and do not seem to have had remotely as many surveillance cameras as has been normal for about two decades in Her Majesty’s Realm, without most people being bothered by this.

328115 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Waldorf, #1149 of 1459 🔗

1 in 3 East Germans was a stasi informer.Informers won’t be needed in the future it will be AI run.Digital passport and digital currency will mean they will know where you are and who you are with at anytime.

327755 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #1150 of 1459 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55489932 Easter is now the target a full 12 months of varying levels of lockdown.

327795 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to p02099003, 5, #1151 of 1459 🔗

Easter 2090 maybe

327756 Cheezilla, 9, #1152 of 1459 🔗

Boris Johnson said that unless schools were in areas of very high infection rates, parents should allow their children to return.
“Schools are safe, the problem is not the schools,” he said.
“Send your children, send your family to school in the normal way, absolutely right to do.”
The Prime Minister added that the measures surrounding schools were to “combat… the mixing that naturally takes place in schools”. (From DT live)

And the lovely DT is already salivating over the prospect of tier 5 and what it might entail. Bastards!

327759 Banjones, 2, #1153 of 1459 🔗

This is one worth watching: Vitamin D for Dummies (my title)

But also is Ivor Cummins interview with three knowledgeable doctors of the ‘old school’ – ie not in thrall to the Big Pharma, but independent people.

327768 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 18, #1155 of 1459 🔗

So it’s official now, is it, and scientifically proved, that the new “variant” is incredibly, massively, astronomically, very big, fast, and well, contagious to a level that defies description? Is that it?

327777 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Tenchy, 12, #1156 of 1459 🔗

It’s super…..it’s mutant……it’s a ninja…..it’s a turtle……virus!

327835 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1157 of 1459 🔗

It must be palindromic.

327808 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1158 of 1459 🔗

The Oxford English does not have a word to describe how contagious it is .. it is still to be invented.

Oh my God …… I’m so scared.

328041 ▶▶ George L, replying to Tenchy, #1159 of 1459 🔗

Steady on Tenchy.. ;-0

327775 Janette, replying to Janette, 39, #1160 of 1459 🔗

I think the propaganda machine is ramping up to scare people into taking the vaccine.

327784 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Janette, 25, #1161 of 1459 🔗

I agree, ever since Blair said to Ferguson, ‘there isint enough compliance’ they have gone into Fear mode, big time.

327802 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Janette, 24, #1162 of 1459 🔗

It is clear that everything that has been done since October (and you could argue since March) has been solely about maximising vaccine uptake. I can’t wait for the “hard” coercion phase – which will come, it is inevitable – and how all the Stockholm Syndrome collaborators disappear up their own arseholes for the nth time to justify it.

328040 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Richard O, 2, #1163 of 1459 🔗

It was always about the vaccine Richard. They are desperate to get that shite in our blood streams.

327778 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 24, #1164 of 1459 🔗

Below graph shows 40 million people living in the same US region, same weather. They have all had SD. Some LD, some mask mandates, some no mask mandate. Within 1 week, all curves suddenly are bending. There must be some outside human force behind this. Impossible that 40 million did exactly the same SD thing in one week. It must be a seasonal weather/latitude related process combined with back ground immunity outside any human influence.
The infected person release 750 000 virus particles every time breathing or talking. They will pass through any mask. Coughing, sneezing producing droplet spread might be reduced by mask. The nature has compensated the virus for this defence by having coarser droplets dividing into smaller particles carrying the virus through the mask and floating in the air. The virus has out smarted us. Respiratory droplets, being hindered and not falling near us, has been transformed into more aerosol spreading further around. They have now a perfect size to infect us and depositing in the lung.
Why are LD so useless? Logic would say that if you stop and immobilize 75% of population, the virus will only chase the unlucky 25% and all cases would go down. The virus compensates this lack of victims outdoors by quickly now infecting more rapidly the immobilized in their homes. There is a perfect condition for virus spread indoors. In the total sum game virus always wins. All SD is useless on a population basis. Individually, you might reduce your risk somewhat with extreme precaution but for the total population this respiratory virus is unstoppable. Only herd immunity and vaccinations will stop it.
However, the vaccine will most likely not work in the next seasonal wave. There are 12000 strains and although not as many mutations as flu virus in C-19, still mutating all the time. Now spread into farmed minks and already in wildlife minks. This can cross infect back to humans. All flu vaccines must be changed every year. We have never had a corona vaccine before and a new one would have the same fate as flu vaccine. Selection of corona virus overcoming the vaccine immunity.

The best immunity is natural infections but for those unfortunate to be elderly with serious health conditions needing vaccine now, the long term threat will always be there. This is now the 5 th human endemic coronavirus which together with 200 other respiratory viruses will continue to be the seasonal grim reaper as before

327797 ▶▶ Edward, replying to swedenborg, 11, #1165 of 1459 🔗

Worrying analysis (last two paragraphs) but very convincing. The main worry is not the virus itself but the likely reactions of governments, who now see lockdown as a policy of first resort when it should be last, if at all.

327918 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1166 of 1459 🔗

I looked at the WHO dashboard earlier. One can click on a country on the world map and it shows +PCR test results and deaths reported for the year on a day by day basis graph.
Most Northern hemisphere countries had a rise starting mid October, peaking Mid-November and slowly coming down towards now.
Regions just north and south of the Equator seem to be experiencing a “wave” now.

327794 Bill Gisz, replying to Bill Gisz, 17, #1167 of 1459 🔗

Writing for Spiked Online, Luke Gittos reminds us of the unprecedented assault on our civil liberties that has been carried out, under the guise of ‘protecting us from the virus’. Like much else these days, this is a historic juncture, which needs to be kept in focus. His article can be found here:

327806 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bill Gisz, 14, #1168 of 1459 🔗

“Suspended” is not strong enough. “Annihilated” would be much more accurate.

327863 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bill Gisz, 6, #1169 of 1459 🔗

Authoritarianism is the reason for the pandemic.Its not a by product.
There are 3 steps to totalitarianism at play.
Vaccine then digital passport then digital currency.Once those 3 things are in place there will be no freedom and no escape.

327799 NickR, 7, #1170 of 1459 🔗

If we look at positive test results in London Boroughs it looks very much like it all peaked about the 21st/22nd.

327805 George L, replying to George L, 38, #1171 of 1459 🔗

I’ve an idea.. as all people who die within 28 days are classed as a covid death, I think all those who’ve been vaccinated and then die within 28 days should be classed as a vaccine death. Fair or not???

327807 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 19, #1173 of 1459 🔗

Someone earlier posted a video of a supposedly overwhelmed Gloucester hospital which was found to be virtually empty. Here’s what happened to the woman who took the film:

Police have confirmed an arrest has been made in connection with an incident at one of the county’s hospitals.
A 46-year-old woman has been arrested after a video was filmed at Gloucestershire Royal Hospital and posted online.
Officers from Gloucestershire Constabulary arrested the woman yesterday on suspicion of a public order offence.
She has been bailed until January on condition she does not to enter any NHS premises unless it is for an emergency or an appointment.
The woman has not been named.

Public order offence?!

Found the video, for those of you who missed it:

327813 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #1174 of 1459 🔗

A little below in the comments is a video of her in handcuffs in her dressing gown during arrest. Disgusting policing but it comes as no surprise anymore.

327814 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 20, #1175 of 1459 🔗

This is more or less the equivalent of making the search for truth a public order offence. Pretty bog standard stuff for a totalitarian society, so nothing to be unduly alarmed about. It’s perfectly normal.

327815 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #1176 of 1459 🔗

Full on Nazism.

327816 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Cheezilla, 21, #1177 of 1459 🔗

How can this be a public order offence!? She needs to get a solicitor it will get thrown out. She shouldnt have let them in unless they had a warrant. Can”t imagine they had warrant for the made up offence of filming a local hospital!

327833 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Suzyv, 7, #1178 of 1459 🔗

Obviously it is becoming harder to reveal the truth. It’s the emperor’s new clothes all over again.

327823 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1179 of 1459 🔗

I guess the BBC will be reporting on the incident this evening.

327830 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1180 of 1459 🔗

I wouldn’t be that surprised to find outpatients clinics not running between Christmas and New Year – between people taking leave and self-isolation mandates it would be even more likely this year. Looks like no need for minor injuries to be open if A & E very quiet.

I’m not in any way saying that I think the hysteria we are being fed is justified (and I find it ridiculous and frightening that the woman has been arrested) – certainly not in most hospitals, but this video doesn’t show me evidence of anything much either way.

327850 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1181 of 1459 🔗

I agree. Jumping to ill-formed conclusions is no answer to ill-formed science.

327854 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #1182 of 1459 🔗

A feature of the media, this year, in many countries, has been a non-stop barrage of fear propaganda about Covid. Millions will die! Cases are rising exponentially! We must lock down! Harder! Harder! Aaarrgh! Counterpointed and contradicted by people taking a camera or a smartphone around hospitals that are clearly not buckling under the weight of expiring Covid patients. Then they arrest someone who takes a video of it. Yes. Dictatorships do that. Especially if they have something to hide. The emperor has no clothes but God help you if you say it. A Marxist friend said to me that “they appear to have redefined bourgeois democracy this year”.

327961 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, #1183 of 1459 🔗

Were not talking about outpatients clinics. We’re talking about empty hospital wards in darkness. No one’s had a heart attack or stroke recntly? Unlikely!

328199 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Cheezilla, #1184 of 1459 🔗

This looks very like the kind of fascist police tactics used in Melbourne. If truth telling is a public order offence then we are really living under tyranny. I wish there was another planet to escape to as I no longer recognise this one.

327811 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 19, #1185 of 1459 🔗

Is it possible to wear out a phrase? If it is I think I’ve just broken ‘It’s all a load of bollox’…

Sorry folks, I didn’t mean to…


327822 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Arnie, 5, #1186 of 1459 🔗


It’s all a load of …… bollox.

327821 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 26, #1187 of 1459 🔗

Woman arrested after filming empty Gloucester hospital – The Daily Expose

A woman is arrested for filming an empty hospital. Not exactly what you would expect to see in a real pandemic.

327827 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Ianric, 15, #1188 of 1459 🔗

I am shocked. People are being treated very badly by the dictatorship.

327828 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ianric, 9, #1189 of 1459 🔗


In a similar vein (but without police involvement) from just before Xmas in LA. Neatly packaged together with the MSM propaganda about hospitals overflowing. This is happening worldwide.

327838 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ianric, 4, #1190 of 1459 🔗

I watched that. She put her name on it, which I thought rather brave and perhaps reckless.

327865 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Waldorf, 6, #1191 of 1459 🔗

I believe GCHQ monitor all communications in the UK (plus those from abroad routed via the UK transatlantic cables) including private emails, so there is no escaping the eye of the western ‘democratic’ regimes.

They probably even consider us ‘domestic terrorists’ for posting on here – we were just sold the illusion we lived in a ‘free’ country by the controlled media.

327920 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Darryl, 2, #1192 of 1459 🔗

If everyone goes encrypted it’s easy to escape Big Brother. People aren’t persecuted enough yet though so they haven’t bothered on the whole.

328082 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Noumenon, 1, #1193 of 1459 🔗

You can only use encryption that has been approved by the US defense. If you use your own encryption algorithm it will be considered a weapon of war and the US will be on you like a tonne of bricks. In other words all encryption in use today can clearly be intercepted by the US and probably every other government agency.

327928 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Darryl, 4, #1194 of 1459 🔗

I hope that they do.
If they realise the anger, disgust, despair building up among parts of the community at the sense and reality of permanent, unjustified imprisionment then it might just occur to those doddleheads in the security services and Westminster that the present restrictions on human rights, lives and livelihoods might not be in their own personal long term interest.
But I doubt it. That would require both a modicum of intelligence and some knowledge of history.
I doubt also if any of us are actually at risk from them.
They could not even recognise a real terrorist when he was waving bombs in their faces according to the Manchester Arena enquiry.

327864 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Ianric, #1195 of 1459 🔗

That’s the video Biker posted last evening?

328015 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to TJN, #1196 of 1459 🔗

I believe it is the video Baker posted.

327939 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ianric, 4, #1197 of 1459 🔗

I seen that video. It was shocking and I thought it must have been fake it was so empty. Not a being. Mad that C4 can go undercover at Randox and reveal the sweat shop like labs they have delivering false positives to the government as directed (that made absolutely no impact as well, which I can’t wrap my head around. All oversight is suspended right now, the government are not held to account on anything), while a citizen cannot walk into a public hospital and film it for whatever purpose.

These small signs are huge in their implications.

327824 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #1198 of 1459 🔗

There are demands in the Swedish press that the PM Lofvden should resign. What has the poor fellow been doing? He went into a crowded shopping mall in Stockholm and bought a watch. In November the corona hysteria finally reached Sweden. The PM introduced a new law which will restrict attendance in certain shopping malls and similar places. Not very hard lockdown as reported in UK press but a clear different way now from the previous Tegnell driven general advice to the public. The PM took control over the response. He has appeared in television demanding the public to be careful and avoid the popular pre -Christmas shopping in crowded places. We should think about our elderly was his tearful message etc. The same platitudes as done by every politician in Europe.
The press suddenly found him out buying his watch. They are now furiously accusing him of hypocrisy and some even that he should resign. Big irony here. This is the same press which has been the main influence in changing partly the pandemic response in Sweden. The same press demanding European style lockdown and masks as our more intelligent European friends( UK included.)
The PM probably regretted that he took the reins from Tegnell.  Not a single person would have objected the watch purchase if he had let Tegnell be the sole lead in the response. Every politician touching the corona virus has been badly burnt.
The only politician with some IQ left in Europe, who realized early on that leading the C-19 response would be a poisoned chalice, was Putin. He hid behind the sofa and delegated the whole response to the PM, mayors and regional governors.

327831 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to swedenborg, 9, #1199 of 1459 🔗

Very few deaths in Sweden, I notice. Some days fewer than 10.


327840 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), replying to Tenchy, 11, #1200 of 1459 🔗

It has gone very quiet on Sweden again. They must be doing ok, no other explanation for the lack of doomsaying.

327889 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Tenchy, #1201 of 1459 🔗

I think the daily figures might be increased later. I’m not sure on this.

327848 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to swedenborg, #1202 of 1459 🔗

Pfeffel has done a Putin

327894 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to swedenborg, #1203 of 1459 🔗

I applaud Mr Lofvden – was he maskless?

328242 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to nocheesegromit, #1204 of 1459 🔗

Yes.Masks are not mandatory and 98% not wearing them

327842 Tom Blackburn, 6, #1205 of 1459 🔗


327843 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 16, #1206 of 1459 🔗

Essex is now on a war footing…. LOL, LOL LOL

Health officials in Essex have requested military assistance amid concern that local hospitals will buckle under pressure caused by the surge in new Covid patients.

A “major incident” has been declared in the area, which has the country’s highest virus rates, with warnings that the NHS is at risk of being overwhelmed.

Elsewhere in England there were reports of hospitals struggling to meet demand , with shortages of beds, staff, oxygen and even pillows.

The third paragraph says it all, Bad Management.

Also have you noticed the UK Government does not publish any data on recovery rates or active case.

327849 ▶▶ Basics, replying to cloud6, 6, #1207 of 1459 🔗

Even pillows… ppe gravy train didn’t think of the pillows

327853 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to cloud6, 14, #1208 of 1459 🔗

Military assistance? What are they going to do, shoot some patients?

327880 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1209 of 1459 🔗

Snow clearing probably.

327883 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #1210 of 1459 🔗

Have pillow fights.

327906 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #1211 of 1459 🔗

Shhh! Don’t give them ideas. 😉

That said, it’s probably the backup plan for when the vaccine fails to kill enough.

327868 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to cloud6, 6, #1212 of 1459 🔗

Given that the trouble some hospitals are allegedly in is no different than in any of the winter crises from the last few years, I see this as a deliberate move to acclimatise the public to having military on the streets.

327844 leggy, replying to leggy, 12, #1213 of 1459 🔗

This won’t be to everyone’s taste, but for me this is a very interesting video about technocracy with Catherine Austin Fitts. Personally, I don’t think she’s far off.


327923 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, 5, #1214 of 1459 🔗

If you work on the theory that nobody wishes to risk whatever piece of the pie they have, and we see this everywhere now with the level of compliance (and I recognise this in myself right now, its eating me up), the route to technocracy is all but assured in our society I would wager. We want to be ruled by a tight system of governance and contend ourselves with the proximate benefits. Until it becomes akin to the matrix of course.

328053 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1215 of 1459 🔗

The problem I see is that such asystem is doomed to throttle itself and doomed to catastrophic failure. It can only become a hugely vulnerable monoculture with no inbuilt redundancy or ingenuity.

328021 ▶▶ George L, replying to leggy, 1, #1216 of 1459 🔗

She talks an awful lot of sense does CAF

327845 DThom, replying to DThom, 12, #1217 of 1459 🔗

Where are all these ‘cases’ coming from?
Are they testing bottles of Coke in the factory?

327867 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DThom, 6, #1218 of 1459 🔗

Every test centre I have ever driven past or heard about or seen pictures of has looked empty

327936 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Julian, 2, #1219 of 1459 🔗

Same here in Tyneside

327910 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to DThom, 5, #1220 of 1459 🔗

All the NHS data, the testing data and the ‘cases’ data are as dodgy as a nine pound note, it is never right to work on data that the organisation itself directly pumps out, there needs to be a truly independent objective panel to review and issue believable data on these matters but there is little chance of that happening.

327915 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1221 of 1459 🔗

Still think we need our own lab 😊

328126 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to DThom, #1222 of 1459 🔗

They’re testing the same person multiple times. It’s the sperm doner who’s fathered thousands of children but since they’re currently not collecting sperm (I wouldn’t know of course) he’s had to seek alternative ways to make money. I do believe they were trying to bribe people into taking tests at one stage.

327870 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #1224 of 1459 🔗

Poor devil probably died of shock, but I don’t expect to be told that, probably won’t be told anything.

327876 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Crimson Avenger, 4, #1225 of 1459 🔗

I thought Switzerland was being slow and cautious compared to the UK, EU, USA or Canada.

327881 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to John001, 4, #1226 of 1459 🔗

No doubt the man died slowly and cautiously.

327886 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to John001, 4, #1227 of 1459 🔗

No they have approved the “vaccine” without emergency regulations attached to it.

327897 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #1228 of 1459 🔗

So that’s 3 we know of now

327921 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Janette, 1, #1229 of 1459 🔗

The comments had a figure of 1/44 chance of an adverse reaction to the vaccine. Legit?

328068 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Londo Mollari, #1230 of 1459 🔗

So they give you 28 days to die from testing rona positive
I wonder how long they give when you have the vaccine. 30 seconds. If you die after that time it was something else.

327866 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1231 of 1459 🔗

More ‘ nudging ‘ coming from the Government Broadcasting Corporation:


Four-day week means ‘I don’t waste holidays on chores’

“For the large majority of firms, reducing working hours is an entirely realistic goal for the near future,” said Will Stronge, director of research at Autonomy, which is campaigning for a shorter working week with no loss of pay. He said the government should investigate ways of rolling out a four-day week, starting with the public sector .


327869 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1232 of 1459 🔗

One step closer to the UBI for all utopia. The morons will think four days a week is a great idea of course, and purely being done for their benefit.

327900 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Richard O, 4, #1233 of 1459 🔗

We could abolish Income Tax as well…

327875 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1234 of 1459 🔗

Well, if staff would spend less time on social media they would get their work done. GB is already the country in Europe with longest working hours.
I was very surprised that a young colleague thought having her phone on the desk and checking FB every 20 minutes is acceptable.
I once witnessed a young receptionist at Cambridge hospital looking at shoes on the internet for 40 minutes and discussing them with her young colleagues!
Maybe things have changed in German offices and it is accepted there now, but 20 years ago, when I was still there, it was a big nono.

327903 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Silke David, 2, #1235 of 1459 🔗

Dienst ist Dienst und Schnaps ist Schnaps!

327919 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to DJ Dod, 3, #1236 of 1459 🔗


327935 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1237 of 1459 🔗

Some at my former employer only really worked one week a month.

327877 norfolksceptic, replying to norfolksceptic, 25, #1238 of 1459 🔗

Just had a relaxed half an hour watching Salvage Hunters with a glass of red horribly disturbed by the new government propaganda – how are they able to claim as asymptomatic transmission is occurring ? There is absolutely zero evidence anywhere if this in the world – Surely that must be grounds for complaints to ofcom ?

327887 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to norfolksceptic, 14, #1239 of 1459 🔗

Yes, you’re not alone in being incandescent about this. How DARE they be so brazen with these lies? As if everyone is uninformed and everyone will believe this tripe. As ever, we are being insulted, manipulated and coerced.

327925 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Banjones, 5, #1240 of 1459 🔗

With the media bought and paid for and the public so gullible I think they have stopped bothering to hide their lying anymore

327890 ▶▶ DRW, replying to norfolksceptic, 10, #1241 of 1459 🔗

They could probably claim a lunar mutant and the masses would believe it.

327902 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 8, #1242 of 1459 🔗

Some forums will tell you that is the next level scare in the pipeline. That they have discovered an alien object en route to earth and to be in eternal state of war in prep for it.

327909 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1243 of 1459 🔗

“I’m from Essex and I say kill them all.”

327966 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1244 of 1459 🔗

Do you remember the film Deep Impact? In the beginning the govt was siphoning off trillions to pay for a giant asteroid destroying space ship. That plot would make more sense than this rona story.

328018 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to TimeIsNow, #1245 of 1459 🔗

It was on yesterday!

327908 ▶▶ matt, replying to norfolksceptic, 5, #1246 of 1459 🔗

Advertising standards agency. And I would say worth a punt, yes.

327917 ▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to matt, 5, #1247 of 1459 🔗

Ok will give it a go – can I suggest other from here also have a go – might write to Toby as well and see if they can have a run at it from the centre

327937 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to norfolksceptic, #1248 of 1459 🔗

Good plan!

327956 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to norfolksceptic, 5, #1249 of 1459 🔗

I too have been watching something while drinking wine. A country is taken over by an evil regime and the monarch stands firm and encourages the people to fight back. I wish it was our country. The film: The King’s Choice, set in Norway in 1940.

327878 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1250 of 1459 🔗

Help!!! I am currently in an argument with a couple of the brainwashed sheep on the scummy Edinburgh live website. Can someone please help me get these twats told?




327931 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sarigan (Day 282 of lockdown), 2, #1252 of 1459 🔗

Bunnybandit sounds like a troll name.

327896 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1253 of 1459 🔗

They must be 77b paid goons.

328122 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to AnotherSceptic, #1254 of 1459 🔗

Personally I would go all extreme the other way and say that I wear a mask 24/7 and everything OTT (but believable) and make out that anybody not doing the same is irresponsible.

327884 stevie119, replying to stevie119, 28, #1255 of 1459 🔗

Who would have thought that the only place in England you can legally have a pint in a pub on New Years Eve would be the Isles of Scilly? What the bloody fuck is going on? Why aren`t the people revolting? Oh….wait…. most of them are quite revolting.

327888 ▶▶ TJN, replying to stevie119, 5, #1256 of 1459 🔗

I’ve had a couple of good New Years Eves in Scilly. Seems that they’ve pretty well bought into the scam now though.

327893 ▶▶ Novidnineteen, replying to stevie119, 4, #1257 of 1459 🔗

I’m glad to read that Prof Gupta’s disappointment about the lack of poetry in the panic is being addressed.

The revolting sentiments being expressed in Little Bitching have made me reconsider the company I keep. Well educated people praising nasty autocracies everywhere.

327922 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to stevie119, 3, #1258 of 1459 🔗

Did they arrest some people who had travelled from Tier 4 to the Isles of Scilly? Sent them back?

327932 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Silke David, 2, #1259 of 1459 🔗

that might have been the guy who used a jet ski to travel to the Isle of Man.

328028 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Silke David, #1260 of 1459 🔗

Just sent them back on the next plane I think. Second home owners reportedly.

327942 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to stevie119, 3, #1261 of 1459 🔗

I believe that there is 11 pubs on the Scilly islands.

328151 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1262 of 1459 🔗

Lucky buggers.

327892 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 6, #1263 of 1459 🔗

Perhaps we should share this kind of information as we come across it. Some sites will be better than others. But the message may get through. Take Vitamin D! Right NOW!


327901 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Banjones, 5, #1264 of 1459 🔗

I know since Ivermectin has been getting solid good press in the US there has been a scramble for people to buy it. Vets have it in liquid/gel form but US Customs preventing private imports of the stuff from what I’ve read on forums.

I don’t know how some Doctors can prescribe it there but the FDA have been against it, whatever way their system works.

327905 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1265 of 1459 🔗

I noticed earlier today that South Africa have actually BANNED Ivermectin with penalties for using it. I wonder who’s leant on them?

327914 ▶▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to Banjones, 12, #1266 of 1459 🔗

No one needs to lean on our health authorities – they are spectacularly stupid in their own right. It takes decades to have a drug licensed, but I’m sure we’ll make some exceptions for experimental vaccines

327899 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 36, #1267 of 1459 🔗

Right, then. Tier 4 is it? OK, I’ll ignore that just like the previous lot. But I have had it now, with any supporters of this shit show. I will not talk to you, simple as that. But if I know you and you tell me you have had a test, I might just become violent. Fair Warning.

327904 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sam Vimes, 20, #1268 of 1459 🔗

I’m with you, Sam. I haven’t read anything about whatever ridiculously named ”tier” my area is in. I intend to go on living my life as normally as possible.

This word ”tier” is just another made-up word in the infuriatingly patronising language that Johnson and his (risibly named) ”SAGE” comes up with. If I were only stronger, younger and free then I would not be taking this lying down. I can’t take a lead – but I sure as hell would follow.

327913 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Banjones, 14, #1269 of 1459 🔗

You are free as long as you want to be mate.

327916 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #1270 of 1459 🔗

I understand, I’ve fallen out with sheepish friends, family have pushed it too.

327964 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Sam Vimes, 12, #1271 of 1459 🔗

Yes family and friends who support the lockdowns have gone and I don’t miss them and I won’t be going back to them. The friend who told me that good things have come out of the lockdowns as they have given people time to reassess what is valuable to them – I am afraid she got my full wrath!!!! If these people cannot see what poor people have been going through, as well as many working to bring things to rich peoples homes then I don’t want them as my friend!!!!

328009 ▶▶▶ james007, replying to wendy, 7, #1272 of 1459 🔗

The worst zealots are the ones that don’t understand how lockdowns cause misery or devastation. Its a sort of myopia, Covid is so blinding that no other considerations can be imagined.

328067 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to wendy, 7, #1273 of 1459 🔗

The ones who drive me utterly bananas are those who say how wonderful it is that the Earth is being given a rest and time to recover. F’ing ecotards. No thought for the victims of the inhuman policies. They are all right virtue signalling on their teachers’ and similar pensions.
I’ve cut myself off from my rambling group, so sick was I of hearing that crap. On the fells my own company is company enough, I’ve decided.

328149 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to wendy, 2, #1274 of 1459 🔗

My sister is like that. A full-on, mentally ill lockdown loony. She doesn`t seem to realise that, while she WFHs, her shopping does not just magically turn up. People have to go to work to bring them things. People have to go to work to service the delivery vans – and her car. People have to go to work to repair punctures, replace worn tyres etc. People have to go to work in the petrol stations and refineries and hauliers to provide fuel for the delivery vans, the ambulances – and her car. People have to go to work to make sure that the elastictrickery keeps flowing from the plug sockets. etc etc etc. Middle class wankers.

327911 Will, replying to Will, 41, #1275 of 1459 🔗

Just got a text advising that clinically extremely vulnerable have to shield in tier 4. Given we have been, quite comfortably, shielding since February I don’t think we will change much. We do not require anyone else to compromise their lives to keep us safe so please carry on with your lives as fully as you possibly can.

328020 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Will, 2, #1276 of 1459 🔗

Just read this post a bit late. One of the most sensible and uplifting things I’ve read for a long time. Thank you Will.

327912 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 30, #1277 of 1459 🔗

Ambulances, wards over-run, patients left to die…

So this is what the Daily Mail is telling us today.


However today and earlier this week I have spoken to TWO senior members of staff at different hospitals. This is what is happening

1. Yes there are Covid cases
2. The “Covid” wards are full to bursting
2. The “Covid” wards are patients that have come in with other issues and are ALSO testing positive for Covid but are not (in the main) treated for Covid
3. ICU not over run with Covid

If people are in ambulances and not treated and they die, that is purely because of the Covid positive tests where people don’t necessarily have the disease.

327941 ▶▶ Motke, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1278 of 1459 🔗

My doctor friend in London said at his hospital, ICU beds are just over half full with Covid patients, which implies they are not exactly overwhelmed, not yet anyway. To be honest I don’t know what to believe anymore. The current case and death numbers are very worrying though. I am tired with the endless graphs and stats and conspiracy theories I can’t make head nor tail of them. I’m not sure I believe Yeadon’s PCR false positive claims, at least on the scale he suggests. And yet, I still think lockdowns are a worse cure than the disease, and the resulting poverty will kill many thousands. It’s a bloody awful time.

328054 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Motke, 9, #1279 of 1459 🔗

Motke, I gave this some thought today, that the death numbers are going up. I don’t believe the numbers are real.

  • This time of year hospitals are overrun with flu and pneumonia.
  • Every in patient is tested for Rona (PCR) daily, if found positive they are immediately placed in covid ward. From where they certainly will get infected.
  • They are doing 500k PCR testing per day. Of which even at a low 1% false positive you will still get 5k per day false. Many reckon this is at 5% false so that’s 25K false negative.
  • If you take the three points above, a place in a daily loop in fulfills the narrative.

Everyday I question whether I’m doing the right thing from being skeptical and I keep coming back to the facts, they have two off the shelf drugs that are cheap and effects are well known that work very well at curing Covid, yet in the case of HCQ this was banned and Ivermectin is ignored (and now banned in South Africa) This is all I need to know this is a fraud!!

328087 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1280 of 1459 🔗

Death numbers aren’t going up based on the latest numbers. In the last week, deaths went down 1%. In the week before, they reduced 4%.

It’s easy to get statistical blindness – even when they present statistics that tell an optimistic story, we see “more people have died” and interpret this inevitability as if it’s doom and gloom news.

My prediction is that weekly deaths of people who have had SARS-CoV-2 in their system around the time will rise slightly in January, but nothing crazy, certainly nothing worth locking down for.

327926 Cheezilla, 17, #1281 of 1459 🔗

Incredibly, despite being “plunged” into tier 4 this afternoon, I’ve just received an email from the council, detailing the tier 3 restrictions and informing me that they will be reviewed on December 30th.
Pissups and breweries spring to mind.

327929 Alice, replying to Alice, 36, #1282 of 1459 🔗

Francis Hoar (Simon Dolan’s barrister) on Twitter:

“The smug cruelty of the monomaniacs who have taken control of our societies should be intolerable to all of us.”

327933 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Alice, 21, #1283 of 1459 🔗

As should the smug compliance of millions of our fellow citizens.

327990 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Alice, 10, #1284 of 1459 🔗

The linked tweet by Anshul that he is commenting on sums up exactly how I have been trying to explain how I feel (although I am double the age mentioned – doubly sad that this person feels like this then):-

“I’m 25 and for the first time in my life, if I didn’t wake up tomorrow I wouldn’t be bothered at all.

The government have taken away from us what make life worth living.

*This isn’t a cry for help. I won’t do anything stupid.”

328049 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CGL, 2, #1285 of 1459 🔗

If he doesn’t wake up, he certainly won’t be bothered.

328138 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Annie, #1286 of 1459 🔗

No quite – I did think that myself, but I knew what he meant 🙂

327934 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 19, #1287 of 1459 🔗

TO KHL and any other small business owners here

Just came across this on my FB feed:
This is a group for business owners who refuse to submit to the draconian restrictions. All KEEP BRITAIN FREE businesses are welcome to join!

328113 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Silke David, 1, #1288 of 1459 🔗

Is this for businesses that are staying open in spite of lockdowns?

327938 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 28, #1289 of 1459 🔗

The Bozzer announces that everything will be better by the 5th of April???
Why the BLOODY 5th of April?
The only thing I can think of is that it ‘s the end of the financial year.
More likely the end of civilisation as we know it.

327940 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fingerache Philip, 18, #1290 of 1459 🔗

It’s fucking absurd and has been for a while but, let’s face it, if people weren’t switching off at Scotch Eggs they aren’t going to notice stuff like this.

327953 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1291 of 1459 🔗

Cabinet ministers debating whether it constituted a substantial meal.I think that is beyond satire and a low point in our civilisation.

327943 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #1292 of 1459 🔗

Easter Monday I think. Let’s not forget last he supposedly rose on the last Easter Sunday.

328046 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DRW, 12, #1293 of 1459 🔗

Easter this year was cancelled, at the insistence of the so-called Christian churches, none of which believes that Christ died and rose again to save us from eternal death.
They have all declared in favour of living Coronadeath, decorated with holy face knickers.

328061 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Annie, 3, #1294 of 1459 🔗

Won’t be surprised if Easter is cancelled again.

327946 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1295 of 1459 🔗

Easter Monday is the 5th April

327950 ▶▶ adamsson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1296 of 1459 🔗

Does he really expect anyone to believe him?

328112 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1297 of 1459 🔗

Covid will magically disappear at 11:59pm on 4th April, just as it suddenly reared its head at 10pm when the pub curfew was in place. It’s a very clever virus.

327949 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 50, #1298 of 1459 🔗

I’m increasingly optimistic because the lies are running out and getting more and more absurd – to the point where even our our local village idiot has been seeking explanation and consolation from the rest of us.

Maybe you have some sense that something fishy is going on? Same. If it’s not one thing, it’s another.

Coronavirus lived on surfaces until it didn’t.

Masks didn’t work until they did, then they did not.

There is asymptomatic transmission, except there isn’t.

Lockdowns work to control the virus except they do not.

All these people are sick without symptoms until, whoops.

PCR tests are wildly inaccurate because they were never intended to be diagnostic tools.

Everyone is in danger of the virus except they aren’t.

It spreads in schools except it doesn’t.

Clearly the plan is to say big Pharma eventually saved the day, until the growing casualties from a ludicrously untested vaccine become too much of an embarrassment even for them.

327955 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Ross Hendry, 8, #1299 of 1459 🔗

Brilliant summing up! Thanks for the laughs that have me

327963 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ross Hendry, 7, #1300 of 1459 🔗

I really like your positive approach. You are right, it seems there is no limit to the absurdity of the Cult. They really have gone off the deep end and will obviously keep on going. Their descent into insanity is vertical at freefall speed.

Might this be a necessary cleansing? Agonising though it has been, how else were we to rid ourselves of our worst elements and really progress as a species?

327989 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Richard O, 10, #1301 of 1459 🔗

Indeed. This madness *will* come to an end, and the Cult of Covid will be fully exposed. Politicians’ reputations will officially be in tatters, and the lay fundamentalists and passive types will have nowhere to turn but towards repentance. Let us not rub it in; let us welcome their return.

328057 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to common conservative, 8, #1302 of 1459 🔗

Many have sinned beyond forgiveness in my book.

328080 ▶▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to DRW, 2, #1303 of 1459 🔗

I understand, my friend.

327975 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ross Hendry, 14, #1304 of 1459 🔗

Don’t forget it was seasonal, except when it wasn’t, until actually it was.

328006 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 1, #1305 of 1459 🔗

The WHO actually said its One Big Season

328035 ▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1306 of 1459 🔗

I remember hearing that. I was glad I was already sitting down.

327979 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ross Hendry, 5, #1307 of 1459 🔗

Unfortunately, the thread that runs through it all is that people are dangerous and if you follow the guidance, no matter how silly or contradictory, you will remain blameless.

328051 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Ross Hendry, 4, #1308 of 1459 🔗

Good summary.

327957 DThom, replying to DThom, 8, #1309 of 1459 🔗

Pleased to see many anti-lockdown comments on local North East town Facebook page.
Unfortunately lots of sheep as well.

327982 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to DThom, 6, #1310 of 1459 🔗

My village Fb page was 99% pro-lockdown in March/April. In the summer I could post without getting any hostile comments. Now I can post and get hostile comments but judging on likes etc it’s 50-50. Sad that there’s still fifty per cent but there’s been a change. The cause of an intense debate on Boxing Day was somebody criticising his neighbours for not obeying the rules. However, even those obeying the rules were often breaking them eg “we saw nobody on Christmas day so had Mam around for dinner on Boxing Day.”

327960 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1311 of 1459 🔗

A nation chock full of Harry Enfield’s Old Gits. Watching the episode where they burn their cash to stop anyone else using it.

Sad times.

328037 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1312 of 1459 🔗

Remember the Golgafrinchians declaring leaves to be a viable currency and then burning down all the forests to prevent a glut of cash?

327968 Liam, replying to Liam, 35, #1313 of 1459 🔗

When the pubs were open again back in the summer, all the blokes I know at my local were back in straight away. None of them had the slightest concern about Teh Viruz. All the old boys were fine, back at their tables, no one had died. One bloke had lost his Dad in April but he said himself the old fella was 83 with heart and kidney failure and what can you do? I was loudly sceptical and most of my mates were completely on board. There are a lot of sane people out there we’re not hearing from.

327972 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Liam, 10, #1314 of 1459 🔗

I no none at all – either at work or among so-called friends (who I now can’t even think of as such) – please encourage any you know of to speak up a bit

327973 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to CGL, 4, #1315 of 1459 🔗

What’s your job? I’m wondering is this is a social class thing.

327980 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Londo Mollari, 16, #1316 of 1459 🔗

I strongly believe that. The blokes at my local are almost all working class, white van types, ex soldiers, a couple of hard cases.

328008 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Liam, 15, #1317 of 1459 🔗

Agreed, I work in an overwhelmingly working class environment and most think it’s all rubbish, as you move up into management belief increases the higher you go.

328034 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #1318 of 1459 🔗

I’m someone from a working class background who went to university, reads widely and got into a middle class profession, but has never been truly comfortable in that world.

327985 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1319 of 1459 🔗

The Blue Peter classes. Gullible – always have been.

327997 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1320 of 1459 🔗

Not quite sure how it missed me though

328002 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to CGL, 1, #1321 of 1459 🔗

I struggle to understand what makes me different from the sheep.

328024 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Liam, 5, #1322 of 1459 🔗

You have a mind.

328027 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Annie, 2, #1323 of 1459 🔗

Cheers Annie!

328047 ▶▶▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1324 of 1459 🔗

There’s definitely a big element of that – the whole reactions of local councils etc to the Tiers up here feels like endless efforts to please their teachers ! You have to remember there is an assembly line for a lot of these people – nice school / nice university / safe job marry someone from the same background it’s all great !! Saw it time and time again in a big city firm – none us who were in the senior positions came from that world but HR kept hiring them – and they had zero critical thinking capabilities..

327996 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1325 of 1459 🔗

Accountant for a firm of accountants. They’re middle class and virtue signalling is a given.
(I can see why you might have thought I was a bit educationally subnormal – obviously I meant ‘I know no-one’ rather than ‘I no no-one’. 🙂

328081 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1326 of 1459 🔗

Definitely some of that to it.

The few people I know in “trades” jobs know it’s bollocks – it has to be because they’ve been in and out of homes constantly and they’re fine.

Those in work-from-home IT jobs on the other hand are generally more likely to have retreated into their BBC-Guardian bubble. And of course they feel they’re in touch with things, because they’ve been reading about the difference between the AZ and the Oxford vaccines, while the tradespeople haven’t, because they’re stupid and uninformed.

327978 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to CGL, 4, #1327 of 1459 🔗

I was making serious progress when I could talk to people face to face but a lot of them are not very internet savvy.

327992 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Liam, 13, #1328 of 1459 🔗

That’s why we are banned from mixing

327995 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1329 of 1459 🔗


327974 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Liam, 2, #1330 of 1459 🔗

Problem is they’re complying with the diktats for an easy life

327986 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #1331 of 1459 🔗

Many will comply right up to the moment they are taken to the cattle wagons.

328010 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1332 of 1459 🔗

Busy sewing yellow stars on their kids school coats.

328032 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1333 of 1459 🔗

Or towards the ‘shower bath’.
I’ve encountered several Welsh zombies – the squat, dumpy, venomous female type – who would without any shadow of doubt help to push people like us into gas chambers, if they got the chance.

328052 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Annie, 3, #1334 of 1459 🔗

Irma Grese lives on.

328058 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Liam, 2, #1335 of 1459 🔗

Yes, hundreds of her.

328094 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Annie, #1336 of 1459 🔗

Sonderkammandos in the making

327991 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Liam, 5, #1337 of 1459 🔗

Agree. Quite a few people I know are being “sensible within the rules” … i.e. doing what they want.

328003 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liam, 13, #1338 of 1459 🔗

Ah, the summer was the time of plastic sceptics. the case load was down, eat out to help out. over by end of Autumn. “I always knew it was just a flu” kind of argument abounded.

Now – they retreat. They’ve been told to get back in their shells – no backbone. Lets just get through winter.

328014 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1339 of 1459 🔗

Fair point. I still don’t believe the polls though. We’re a minority, sure, but a lot of people are reachable if we can just find the key,

328025 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Liam, 5, #1340 of 1459 🔗

I don’t think we’re a minority

328042 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Ovis, 4, #1341 of 1459 🔗

I’m afraid I do, but I have hope.

328070 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Liam, 3, #1342 of 1459 🔗

I fear we’ll be a minority until the majority lose out. By which time it may well be too late.

328109 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Liam, 1, #1343 of 1459 🔗

I think it’s one of those issues with a ‘politically correct’ side, and that skews expression. My sense of views among students is majority sceptical. That includes people who have been driven to panic attacks by this bollocks. Genuine belief is I think a minority view. Staff divided, but with a lot of lip service paid to the narrative, linked to the long dead fingers of ‘compliance.’ True believers probably not more numerous than hard sceptics, but the great majority are tide swimmers who basically don’t want to get into trouble. Conversations under four eyes go in very different directions from group meetings.

328101 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Liam, 2, #1344 of 1459 🔗

Shy anti-lockdowners? Doesn’t have the same ring as ‘shy Tories’ though

328133 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Liam, 4, #1345 of 1459 🔗

Much the same here, I m glad to report. I am one of the white van types (semi-retired, want an easy part time job). Our lot down the local boozer are all working class - farmers, builders, welders etc and most are at least mildly sceptic. One has a daughter in the NHS, a nurse , and he still maintains that there is more to living than not dying. I d like to think I was partly responsible for this as I have been quite loudly sceptical at times but I try to make my points short and funny. Humour is an effective weapon in our struggle. We all love pub life and are gutted to have it taken away from us. Again. Like it worked the first time. Or the second time.

327971 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1346 of 1459 🔗

Here’s my prediction for the next crisis…

One shot of the vaccines made them ineffective against mutations.

Here’s some scientists on Twitter discussing it.


327998 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1347 of 1459 🔗

I’ve read that a number of times and can’t understand its meaning. Talk to me like I’m 10 years old

328012 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1348 of 1459 🔗

You should be in bed, hurry up, brush your teeth. Would you like a bed time story?

328096 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Andrew K, #1349 of 1459 🔗

Me no sleepy, whaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

328029 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1350 of 1459 🔗

Would you like to see some kittens? Don’t tell your mother or I’ll kill all your family.

328048 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1351 of 1459 🔗

The worry is that if you’re going to try and kill a virus it’s better not to do it half-arsed.

If you have a small amount of antibodies from a reduced vaccine dose and then get infected the virus has a chance to evolve. There’s a chance that it will mutate every time it is copied. Any copies that the antibodies do neutralize won’t get any further. So mutations that cause the virus to dodge the antibodies will be more successful. You’ll then go on to infect other people with those.

Actually this will happen even with a regular dose as Chadox doesn’t prevent asymptomatic infection. But the lower the dose the more it will happen.

328072 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to guy153, 1, #1352 of 1459 🔗

A bit like antibiotics, eventually the bacteria builds up a resistance. Similar principal.

328079 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Wolver, #1353 of 1459 🔗

Yes exactly the same. The virus will build up a resistance in a few years to both natural and vaccine induced immunity and we’ll get reinfected. But our immune systems can cope with this (and we can also easily modify the vaccine). It’s a more tractable problem than antibiotic resistance.

328074 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to guy153, #1354 of 1459 🔗

Thinking about this I think the risk of antibody escape is low just because the virus is already at low levels anyway. Whatever happens now is not going to happen very fast.

In a few years the virus will evolve to escape both natural immunity and the vaccine but it’s on that kind of timescale.

328017 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #1355 of 1459 🔗

Interesting. One shot of the BioNTech vaccine looked like it worked pretty well from their data. But one shot of Chadox? It doesn’t work all that well even after two shots.

Another amusing thing about all this is that if take the Chadox results at face value then with 60% efficacy they should reduce the 500k deaths we are still promised will happen if we drop restrictions and tiers and things to just 200,000. Woohoo!

Somehow I don’t think this is how it’s going to be spun.

The effect on “deaths within 28d of a positive test” will be negligible. But the smaller number of real Covid deaths will be reduced. This fact will never be reported however because it would require facing a few home truths about the situation.

328073 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1356 of 1459 🔗

I don’t see any reason why partial immunity from a vaccine would create conditions that are more optimal for immunity resistance escape than those that result from partial immunity occurring naturally as part of wild spread. You could apply the same logic to the many partially effective flu jabs we’ve had over the years. Not sure why this is any different. I couldn’t see anything that made me concerned – any clues on which bit I should be re-reading?

328150 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #1357 of 1459 🔗

Yes, it will happen with natural infections as well (and usually does after a few years with coronaviruses).

There is a small chance that partial vaccination tips things a bit in the direction of antibody escape because it means the virus jumps straight into an environment containing very specific antibodies but not enough of them.

It’s a bit like if you belonged to a species of bird that laid its eggs at the tops of tall trees you might evolve to fly a bit quicker than a species that laid them on the ground and for whom flying was a bit more of an optional luxury.

It may be that flu jabs do indeed slightly accelerate the virus’s evolution as well.

327994 CGL, replying to CGL, 13, #1358 of 1459 🔗

Probably already posted, but I pray this happens and soon – The Covid Crimes Tribunal (Conservative Woman)

327999 ▶▶ Liam, replying to CGL, 11, #1359 of 1459 🔗

I’ve fallen completely in love with Laura Perrins.

328055 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Liam, 6, #1360 of 1459 🔗

You’ll have to fight me for her. See you behind the bike-shed at 4 o’clock.

328066 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 6, #1361 of 1459 🔗

When we’ve fought to the death it’ll be put down as Covid 😉

328095 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Liam, 1, #1362 of 1459 🔗

That Marianna Spring is really hot, too 😉

328104 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Ovis, 1, #1363 of 1459 🔗

😨 🤮

328004 ▶▶ DRW, replying to CGL, 7, #1364 of 1459 🔗

Ah, we can dream. SAGE wouldn’t be off the hook either.

328001 guy153, 5, #1365 of 1459 🔗


Very good thread on Twitter by Iwasaki (who has forgotten more about how immunity works than most of us will ever know) on whether B117 will evade antibodies either from natural infection or from the vaccine.

Short answer: no, it will be fine.

328022 ▶▶ Liam, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1367 of 1459 🔗

Civil servant as well.

328023 ▶▶ Annie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1368 of 1459 🔗

Made me laugh like a drain.

328043 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1369 of 1459 🔗

A self inflicted ignorance with almost fatal consequences. Darwinian.

328045 ▶▶ DRW, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1370 of 1459 🔗

Got to love Clownworld, honk honk! Bedwetter of the Week?

328062 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1371 of 1459 🔗

His wife couldn’t summon a neighbour to help because they were in lockdown!
God help their kid!

328063 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1372 of 1459 🔗

I got to this bit:

“He went up to have a bath one night and, the next thing you know, there was a huge bang,”

And half expected to read that he’d drunk the whole contents of the bath.

328013 Charlie Blue, 3, #1373 of 1459 🔗

Why on earth would we trust these people with our information or our safety?

“The incident, which was the result of individual human error, occurred on the afternoon of 30 August 2020 when the personal data of 18,105 Welsh residents who have tested positive for COVID-19 was uploaded by mistake to a public server where it was searchable by anyone using the site. After being alerted to the breach we removed the data on the morning of 31 August. In the 20 hours it was online it had been viewed 56 times.”

328031 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 25, #1374 of 1459 🔗


328059 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1375 of 1459 🔗

But I can still watch TV?

328091 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Noumenon, #1376 of 1459 🔗

BBC only. 9pm curfew except for Match of The Day and Newsnight

328108 ▶▶ CGL, replying to PastImperfect, 17, #1377 of 1459 🔗

Here is a paragraph from an email I sent to my MP yesterday – it looks very much like this list:-

Why do you all want this? Logic dictates that there must be something in it for you. But I can’t see what world you all want, that will be worth living in after this. One with no singing, theatre, dance or music, no joy or happiness, no smiles, no kindness, no health, no cinema, no pubs, restaurants, cafes or bars, no pleasure, no holiday companies or airlines, no freedom of association, no churches, no proper weddings, funerals or christenings, no family life, no spontaneity, no education worth having, no human rights, no free speech or dissent, no jobs, no prospect of life ever getting any better for anyone – no real life. Nothing to look forward to, and nothing left in the world that makes any life worth living – just drudgery. Not much of a manifesto. So why do you want it for us? What is it all for?”

328044 Basics, replying to Basics, 17, #1378 of 1459 🔗

Thread to read by the lady who was arrested for filming an empty hospital. Several tweets of information giving her account.


Perhaps posted here already but no harm in supporting her message again.

328078 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Basics, #1379 of 1459 🔗

Shocking, but somehow not shocking.

328105 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1380 of 1459 🔗

Imagine this kind of policing prior to the 2020 psychological attack – our nation would not have entertained accepting this.

328093 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1382 of 1459 🔗

Here is a video from in the home during the arrest.

328100 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #1383 of 1459 🔗

This is the offending video that the lady was arrested for.


Seem to be illegal to film empty corridors without dancing nhs staff in them.

328099 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #1384 of 1459 🔗

Follow the comment thread. It’s an absolute horror show. No one willing to address the substance of the girl’s video showing a practically deserted hospital. Anyone who dares bring up that apposite point is shouted down as a conspiracy theorist! These people are utterly demented.

I talk of forgiveness in a previous post, but the beast in me wants to kick these bastards’ heads in.

328111 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to common conservative, 5, #1385 of 1459 🔗

So visual proof of what is actually happening (ie the truth) is a conspiracy???? Under what definition???

328127 ▶▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to CGL, 2, #1386 of 1459 🔗

Precisely. They have nothing but swivel-eyed outbursts. They’re indoctrinated with hackneyed tropes and talking points. And the indoctrination was speedy! How many cults can boast these sort of results this soon?

The cultish outbursts are automatic, almost involuntary. At least Tourette’s sufferers have an excuse. There’s no excuse for this unthinking, deranged behaviour from otherwise rational human beings.

328137 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to common conservative, 1, #1387 of 1459 🔗

Trauma-based indoctrination.

328050 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 21, #1388 of 1459 🔗

A friend has just emailed me to tell me Cumbria where I be is now in Tier 4.
I’ve just checked Cumbria, Northumberland, Tyne and Wear NHS Foundation Trust

The whole region has just 3 – yes, just 3 – hospital Covid patients.

They’ve had just 6 “admissions” in the whole of December. ( Of course, some of these “admissions” might not have gone in with the virus but caught it when they were there)

No one on a ventilation bed of course

I thought all this Tier rigmarole was to relieve pressure on the NHS?

328064 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #1389 of 1459 🔗

“But just imagine how bad it could get without it!”

328069 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ned of the Hills, 18, #1390 of 1459 🔗

No, I think it is all part of a big propoganda drive to push the vaccine, I live in a part of North Devon that has the 3rd lowest infection rte in England but nonetheless we are put in tier 3. I think they want to make sure that as many people as possible are begging for this vaccine in order to end this nightmare.

328056 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1391 of 1459 🔗

Those who couldn’t bear to listen to dePiffle’s speech might prefer this analysis by Louise and Vincent:

328071 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1392 of 1459 🔗

Louise and Vincent have been great for months.

328065 Fingerache Philip, 5, #1393 of 1459 🔗

BBC comedy (Pandemonium) taking the p×ss out of lockdown: Honest.

328086 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1394 of 1459 🔗

Went down the rabbit hole of the attempt to wind up UK Government PLC – now delayed due to a challenge.

GOVERNMENT UK LIMITED – Filing history (free information from Companies House) (company-information.service.gov.uk)

This was in relation to a video posted last night and some questions today about BJ’s April 2021 date that was mentioned. Just reminded me of the video. Very much in the Common Law, legal fiction, admiralty law kind of mould. Anyone any knowledge of this and why after almost two decades they would choose now to dissolve this PLC?

328110 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1395 of 1459 🔗

Yes this is interesting. I’ve done some digging and found the director and secretary laird James coutts is registered to an address about 2 streets from where I grew up. This address is the registered office which could be an accountants address.

Company is dormant. Still not sure what to make of it.

This link might be better as it gives all returns and paperwork filed.


328116 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, #1396 of 1459 🔗

All I can think is that with the level of spending there is a write-off coming? I have nothing but my own speculation for that but that kind of thing would explain why they have no fear in closing everything permanently

328089 assoc, replying to assoc, 2, #1397 of 1459 🔗

Have we heard from Michael Yeadon recently? His views are always interesting.

328146 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to assoc, #1398 of 1459 🔗

He has been tweeting today, I follow him on Twitter

328097 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 21, #1399 of 1459 🔗

Fuck ’em. Just fuck ’em. Now, what was the question?

328103 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #1400 of 1459 🔗

Amen brother,

328102 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 20, #1401 of 1459 🔗

Just shuddering over a Guardian article claiming the restrictions don’t go far enough and comments berating people for not wearing masks out of doors claiming it is easy to catch out of doors. At least some people disagreed. One wonders sometimes if these fanatics want people driven to suicide and no businesses left and no money for any health care. I like to read various media sources and see different views but the more I read the more I’m convinced lockdowns are wrong. I think a few sensible rules like Sweden had in spring are what is needed, such as stay at home when unwell.

328107 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 12, #1402 of 1459 🔗

Guardian readers hate people who run businesses anyway, so no surprise there. They are all petit bourgeoisie as far as they are concerned. Corporations are ok mind, they are part of the vanguard.

Be careful reading the Graun, it’s hazardous to human life.

328121 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #1403 of 1459 🔗

The Guardian takes millions off Bill Gates. It is a worthless rag.

328114 BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1404 of 1459 🔗

Kevin McKernan – US Hospital overrun? “Empty parking lots?”

ds right now is people die from the disease.”

328117 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 13, #1405 of 1459 🔗

This has been bugging me for some time, We know there is very little reason to push this vaccine so vigorously for a disease with an IFR 0.1-0.7% and Virtually zero for anybody under the age of 60. They also have two cheap off the shelf drugs that have been shown to be a very effective treatment for covid. Also given the natural immunity that so many would’ve developed given all these so called cases. So the question I have is why are they pushing so hard for this vaccine?

Is it about money?
how does this fit into the great reset?
Is this about health passports?

Is there something in these vaccines that they have plans for in a later date?
Is this to reduce fertility rates?
is there such thing as nano technology implants and are they in these vaccines.

328130 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Andrew K, 6, #1406 of 1459 🔗

I don’t think the vaccines are designed to decrease fertility. Why would they need to if you they have been successful in massively increasing isolation of people in society that results in a reduced birth rate?

I don’t think there’s something in the vaccines, or nano-technology implants. Again, why would there need to be?

Is it about money? Always. Is it about health passports? Yes definitely in my view.

It’s also about distraction. I’ve exhausted a lot of time arguing with friends about visible things like masks, but very little time relaying my views on endemic central bank corruption. I’m sure this suits someone very well.

328140 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Tee Ell, #1407 of 1459 🔗

Usually the birthrate goes up when there’s a blackout. So what makes you think isolation wouldn’t produce the same result?

328142 ▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1408 of 1459 🔗

I know 9 women who are by all due next year between jan and July next year. This doesn’t include me and I’m due in April.
There seems to be a baby boom where I live

328147 ▶▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1409 of 1459 🔗

Young people have been forbidden from mixing and meeting for many months.

How can they date and produce babies if they cannot meet and mix?

Plus, people in established relationships bicker when cooped up for months on end, especially if young livelihoods are lost, which they are.

So maybe isolation might not encourage babies?

328148 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to bebophaircut, #1410 of 1459 🔗

I’m thinking about the long term effects on the level of socialising in society caused by meeting places going out of business and a big increase in working from home. Agree with you over the short term re. “blackouts”.

328163 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1411 of 1459 🔗

Depopulation. Mr Gates has form on this.

328118 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 12, #1412 of 1459 🔗

Ivor Cummins is a highly educated Chemist/Biochemist. I watch all his videos.

He understands what is going on and knows his science. His YouTube videos are magic. I enjoy listening to Ivor and his occasional guests.

His Vitamin D discussion video from two days ago is v good because his highly qualified, highly experienced, yet outraged professional 65+ yo retired guests are just great. They are appalled at seeing 20 years precious Vitamin D research being brushed under the carpet when it would save lives. Watch them. They do not have an agenda and only want to help people, they do not seek profits.


How and why is this Vitamin D advice being ignored/ downplayed?

328135 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1413 of 1459 🔗

I shared this also. It was an utterly fascinating and insightful discussion. Brilliant video.

328160 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to theanalyst, 7, #1414 of 1459 🔗

Why is it being ignored? Because Vitamin D doesn’t make any money for anyone. It’s too cheap and easy. Please take at least 4,000 iu per day and couple it with Vitamin K2 for absorption. Everyone in the northern hemisphere is Vitamin D deficient and you need way more than the RDA in order to get your levels into the normal range. My daily cocktail also includes magnesium, zinc, Vitamin C and Quercetin.

328187 ▶▶▶ Doodle, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1415 of 1459 🔗

I’m not having a go at you as there have been others posting that everyone should be taking Vit D along with Vit K but you need to be careful about a blanket piece of advice.

Thousands (millions?) of people, especially the elderly, rely on Warfarin and Digoxin as part of their treatment for heart disease. Warfarin is essentially a blood thinner i.e. it’s taken to lessen the risk of blood clotting which in turn lessens the risk of stroke and heart attack.

Warfarin is a Vitamin K antagonist i.e. taking Vit K lessens the effectiveness of it (which is why every person diagnosed with heart failure and prescribed Warfarin is told to lay off vegetables such as Kale, Spinach and Purple Sprouting, among others due to their high levels of Vit K) and puts the recipient at greater risk of heart attack and stroke. There is huge risk in promoting Vit K for those taking Warfarin.

Digoxin is a type of medicine called a cardiac glycoside. It’s used to control some heart problems, such as irregular heartbeats (arrhythmias) including atrial fibrillation. It can also help to manage the symptoms of heart failure, usually with other medicines.

Digoxin and Vitamin D

Vitamin D can increase the levels of calcium in your body. Since calcium can enhance the effects of digoxin on the heart, using too much Vitamin D can cause digoxin toxicity and irregular heart rhythm.

I would urge caution when making statements such as, ‘… you need way more than the RDA in order to get your levels into the normal range.’

Btw I take both Warfarin and Digoxin plus sundry other prescription drugs, and Vit D and K are off the menu. I’ll just have to put up with my low grade immune system.

Like I wrote, I’m not having a go at you personally.

328196 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Doodle, #1416 of 1459 🔗

No worries — you’re right about Warfarin. My husband has afib and is on Eliquis, which you can take along with Vitamin K. I have an overactive immune system and inflammation so my Vitamin D levels, which I have had checked, are chronically low. I need to take 8,000 iu just to get my D level to low-normal. I guess I assume that people who shouldn’t take certain vitamins or supplements know who they are, but it never hurts to add a caveat.

328119 Lowe, replying to Lowe, 3, #1417 of 1459 🔗

Further to your critique of poor old Leo Benedictus, a former Guardian hack, I noticed that he claims that deaths peaking April 8th after lockdown on March 23rd is within the two weeks possible between infection and death (presumably his virus has no incubation period). Yet he quotes from the Science paper (Dehning et al) which talks about a two week lag (incubation time plus time from first symptoms to acute symptoms) between policy changes and case reports. He quotes from the Nature paper (Flaxman et al) which models infection to death as having a mean of 23 days. The BMJ (Islam et al) paper he refers to uses seven days as an approximate incubation period from infection to the appearance of symptoms – they didn’t bother with deaths.
It seems that Leo has also written novels. Maybe “Full Fact” is the blueprint for his third novel? I won’t be buying it myself…

328124 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Lowe, 3, #1418 of 1459 🔗

He’s the brother of fox killing lunatic Jolyon Maugham.

328123 John001, replying to John001, 18, #1419 of 1459 🔗
328129 ▶▶ CGL, replying to John001, 10, #1420 of 1459 🔗

“We are being asked to vote for the Ghost of Xmas past” – he is brilliant!

328131 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to John001, 16, #1421 of 1459 🔗

One of the very few who deserves the title ‘Right Honourable Gentleman’, and I’m no Tory.

328134 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to John001, 12, #1422 of 1459 🔗

The absolute best. Should be PM. Just imagine how life would be if he was.

328198 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to John001, 1, #1423 of 1459 🔗

He’s very good, but look at the corpses he’s talking to. Slumped on their benches, not a brain cell flickering among them.

328125 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1424 of 1459 🔗
328139 ▶▶ guy153, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1425 of 1459 🔗

I didn’t realize the BioNTech one was “prefusion-stabilized”. Sounds like it’s pretty much the same as the Moderna one in that case.

328145 ▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1426 of 1459 🔗

A 95% effective just slipped in there without any qualification. Relative or absolute. Effective immunity or in actual fact effective reduction of symptoms… the testing prior to unlicensed release was only showing some reduction in mild symptoms. Immunity was not shown.

Interesting citing the wikipedia photo of the old sars cov 2 virus in action.

Thanks for posting bebop.

328156 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Basics, 2, #1427 of 1459 🔗

No promise of immunity and effectiveness is relative — if memory serves, it’s only something like 1% difference between the vaccine and the placebo group.

328173 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1428 of 1459 🔗

“Here we encounter our first surprise. The normal RNA characters are A, C, G and U. U is also known as ’T’ in DNA. But here we find a Ψ, what is going on?
This is one of the exceptionally clever bits about the vaccine. Our body runs a powerful antivirus system (“the original one”). For this reason, cells are extremely unenthusiastic about foreign RNA and try very hard to destroy it before it does anything.
This is somewhat of a problem for our vaccine – it needs to sneak past our immune system. Over many years of experimentation, it was found that if the U in RNA is replaced by a slightly modified molecule, our immune system loses interest. For real.
So in the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine, every U has been replaced by 1-methyl-3’-pseudouridylyl, denoted by Ψ. The really clever bit is that although this replacement Ψ placates (calms) our immune system, it is accepted as a normal U by relevant parts of the cell.
In computer security we also know this trick – it sometimes is possible to transmit a slightly corrupted version of a message that confuses firewalls and security solutions, but that is still accepted by the backend servers – which can then get hacked.
We are now reaping the benefits of fundamental scientific research performed in the past. The discoverers of this Ψ technique had to fight to get their work funded and then accepted. We should all be very grateful, and I am sure the Nobel prizes will arrive in due course .”

This analogy worries me immensely. I get the impression our body runs this anti-virus for a very good reason. How can the writer presume that this “hack” is a good thing I have always considered them to be bad things?

328183 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1429 of 1459 🔗

mRNA vaccines have I read been around for a few years but we’re never approved for proper trials owing to concerns over inflammation responses. I get the feeling people are bring experimented on for no or little gain, but also at some risk perfectly healthy people will get sick. The idea you can make healthy people sick, I find abhorrent.

328166 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 10, #1430 of 1459 🔗

Not being reported on the BBC, but IT expert and renowned inventor, Jovan Pulitzer, gave evidence at a Georgia legislature committee hearing today that, in real time, while he was speaking the Trump Team’s IT people had managed to hack a Dominion voting machine (during the Senate run-off vote) . This is one of the machines that the lying Dominion CEO claimed was not connected to the Internet and was totally secure and unhackable!

This is bombshell evidence making nonsense of all the claims that the election results in six fraud states can be trusted.

We can rely of the Democratic Party spokesmen, Sopel, Bryant and Zurcher to remain silent because it blows apart their central narrative: that the election result is reliable.

The Georgia committee is recommending that Mr Pulitzer be allowed to analyse all the Presidential ballots. He has stated there are a suite of measures that can be used to identify fake ballots and that with his technology he can analyse 500,000 ballots every two hours. The Globalists will obviously try to stop that.

328172 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to OKUK, 4, #1431 of 1459 🔗

Unfortunately, there are too many who are weak or compromised by Beijing, Republicans as well as Democrats.

328179 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1432 of 1459 🔗

Indeed, you are probably right. Some of the CCP Republicans are as bad as the Democrats and have really enabled the fraud to take place. The depth of the Deep State has been a revelation. I doubt the DoJ or FBI will take any action over this latest evidence that the machines are connected to the Internet and can be hacked. They have ignored all the evidence of fraud to date.

328176 ▶▶ V, replying to OKUK, 1, #1433 of 1459 🔗

I’m quite looking forward to seeing a doddery old gipper trying to rember what year it is infront of the entire world. I’m also looking forward to seeing the Karen cabinet in full swing. I hope the small matter of election fraud doesn’t derail Creepy Joe’s bid for the big chair, it’s going to be endlessly hilarious if he makes it in.

328189 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to V, 2, #1434 of 1459 🔗

I’m sure the CCP are looking forward to it as well – and to the Supreme Court being packed, and to the Electoral College being replaced by a popular vote, and to a totally free hand being given to the Leftists to commit fraud on an even more massive scale, to Antifa being given the freedom to intimidate and cancel all opposition.

Yes it will be funny seeing Biden forget his lines with Jill always at his side to whisper corrections, but what happens after won’t be funny at all.

328192 ▶▶▶▶ V, replying to OKUK, 2, #1435 of 1459 🔗

The US hasn’t changed its foreign policy since WW2, and no one has so much as mentioned auditing the Fed. The President is a middle manager, at best. It makes little difference who gets in, the swamps get swampier, the wars get endlesser, the bailouts get humongouser. Which reminds me – how is it still possible to fear socialism when the US has the biggest corporate welfare scheme known to mankind? Seems kinda like that horse bolted already, hmm?

We might as well have a laugh while we still can. If we’re really lucky, he’ll lose his shoe while getting manhandled into the back of an SUV after a seizure. Wouldn’t want to miss that.

328167 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1436 of 1459 🔗

UK worst front page of the day award – lots of competition as usual – but, once again it’s the 25p sun – wot a winner – can it get any worse? – you betcha -blast off boris!

328168 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1437 of 1459 🔗

Good grief. Utterly pathetic.

328171 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to common conservative, 4, #1438 of 1459 🔗

Shouldn’t that vaccine syringe rocket” have CCP on the side?

328170 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to godowneasy, #1439 of 1459 🔗

i’m going out to buy that just for the banter. Well played sun you got my purchase so I can archive it to laugh at in the future.

328174 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to JHUNTZ, #1440 of 1459 🔗

could be worth a few quid in ten years time on you-know-what if there are any buyers still alive!

328175 ▶▶ Janette, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1441 of 1459 🔗

Why the hell would anyone want to take this when there is so so little risk of anyone getting Covid and dying. My guess is there is a much more sinister reason for getting the vaccine into people.

328181 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Janette, #1443 of 1459 🔗

What is your guess at the more sinister reason – other than this will make them shitloads of money? How can we know we agree it’s sinister if we’re not coming out and stating what it might be?

328184 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #1444 of 1459 🔗

Gates believes the world is overpopulated and his vaccines in Kenya were found (circa 2014) to have anti-fertility agents. Young women of child bearing age were singled out for the tetanus jab which contained this stuff.

328188 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1445 of 1459 🔗

I don’t buy it. These vaccination programmes are saving more than they kill. If depopulation was the aim, there are far easier ways to achieve it – destabilise governments, fund war, destroy access to clean water etc. etc.

The vaccine industry is attractive because it is obscenely lucrative. That is reason enough for him to be involved, we don’t need fertility control as another justification in my view, and a preponderance on this will hurt our cause.

328191 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #1446 of 1459 🔗

I was watching a richard hall video and he stated Gates’s MO paraphrased as follows:-

“A worldwide license to sell product owned exclusively by him”

That is exactly what the vaccine delivers him. The reason he argues for this MO is it is exactly the same as the windows operating system.

328193 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #1447 of 1459 🔗

I hope I’m wrong. But the longer term effects of shutting down economies and healthcare will result in a population reduction. Look at what happened in Russia during their western-sponsored “hidden famine” of the 1990s. Interestingly, Jeffrey Sachs was involved in that as well.

328182 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1448 of 1459 🔗

Who wants to argue against the assertion that the ludicrous Sun and other rags are absolutely loving the drama? Ditto John Public. How much of this mass conformity is down to people simply loving the drama surrounding Covid? I’ve seen people looking double proud in their masks, many masks seemingly unique/bespoke. Could it be that a large part of this is people simply loving the opportunity to ‘play their part’ in a (perhaps unbeknown to them) contrived drama?

328180 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1450 of 1459 🔗

That’s disgraceful.

328185 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1451 of 1459 🔗

It does not make a blind bit of sense though. If someone is vaccinated then they are protected. What’s the fucking deal?

As of right now it doesn’t stop transmission so vaccinating the whole population won’t make a blind bit of difference. Even if it did I will pay taxes to have the elderly vaccinated every year. Why is it now incumbent to eradicate a virus and why is a vaccine the only solution?

The mask argument is tenuous the vaccinne argument makes no fucking sense at all.

328186 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1452 of 1459 🔗

Witch burners…

Or if you want to be really nasty these doctors would be the ones loading the trains for the concentration camps.

328195 Londo Mollari, 1, #1453 of 1459 🔗

The Pfizer vaccine was dreamed up in just a few hours, apparently. https://greatgameindia.com/covid-19-vaccine-ugur-sahin/

328197 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1454 of 1459 🔗

Woman films empty Gloucester Royal Infirmary


Woman is arrested in her own home for filming empty Gloucester Royal Infirmary


328200 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1455 of 1459 🔗

1. It’s been like that for weeks in my local major regional hospital even though no departments have been closed down to accommodate extra ITU beds as they were in lockdown 1.

2. The other day I posted some photos of retail units vacated since lockdown.
There are entire rows of vacant units in the shopping centre, mostly former hospitality outlets.
I did not photograph those because it is entirely owned by Land Securities and I expected to be harassed by Security Guards or recorded on CCTV at least.

328201 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1456 of 1459 🔗

Just read the comments on video 2, has not won friends for plod, the NHS or the government.
Classic own goal.

328203 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1457 of 1459 🔗

The Dutch reply is great: “This is how the Third Reich started. Am I not allowed to say this? Well, tough, I’m saying it anyway. You people who always defend the government, wake up. They are failing in everything, not just this. Have the guts to acknowledge this and say it out loud!”

328204 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1458 of 1459 🔗

(On a side note, the person who posted that on Twitter deserves a prize for “Tequila Mockingbird”.)

Oh, and by the way, look at what dreadful things are happening now, all our worst fears confirmed… oh, wait, sorry, it was January 2018:


328205 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1459 of 1459 🔗

The management should have been sacked for allowing people to die on trolleys in corridors.
Competent management teams take the wheels off trolleys to repurpose them as ‘beds’ and redefine corridors as ‘wards’ thus eliminating the problem.


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35Waldorf2, 2, 3, 8, 3, 1, 9, 4, 3
34stevie1190, 0, 28, 0, 2, 4
33Sceptical Steve12, 4, 17
32Harry hopkins32
32norfolksceptic25, 5, 2
32John0014, 1, 5, 4, 18
31Old Bill2, 14, 3, 12
30PastImperfect5, 25
29Stephen Priest226, 1
27OKUK2, 2, 4, 10, 3, 2, 4
27thinkaboutit1, 6, 5, 0, 1, 1, 2, 6, 5
26PoshPanic9, 17
26TJS12313, 1, 12
25Ned of the Hills2, 2, 0, 21
25Andrew K1, 0, 9, 2, 13
25dhid2, 2, 0, 3, 6, 0, 1, 11
25Noumenon3, 2, 0, 0, 1, 2, 1, 3, 1, 12
24Ricky112, 12
24Van Allen7, 14, 3
23Mark174, 2, 0
22A. Contrarian3, 13, 6, 0
22Tee Ell3, 2, 0, 1, 1, 1, 5, 1, 6, 0, 0, 2
21Andy C1, 20
21Cheshirecatslave1, 20
21Les Tricoteuses15, 2, 4
21dpj3, 7, 7, 4
21JanMasarykMunich3, 4, 2, 8, 4
21Hattie9, 5, 5, 1, 1
20J Cook11, 9
20DThom12, 8
20Tom in Scotland14, 3, 3, 0
20Dorian_Hawkmoon11, 0, 4, 5
19LMS215, 4
19Bella Donna7, 12
19Bill Gisz2, 17
19mattghg10, 9, 0
19Colin2, 3, 2, 4, 3, 3, 2
18Tim Bidie17, 1
18Dame Lynet10, 8, 0
18arfurmo3, 0, 0, 0, 5, 1, 5, 4
18crimsonpirate51, 1, 0, 0, 2, 1, 0, 0, 6, 2
17theanalyst2, 3, 12
17Jo8, 0, 2, 3, 4
16Hellonearth3, 13
16Andrea Salford5, 3, 8
16Seansaighdeoir16, 0, 0
15Bill Hickling15
15Bruce Reynolds15
13alw7, 6
13PFD4, 0, 11, -2
12PhantomOfLiberty60, 6
12Felice11, 0, 1
12straightalkingyorkshireman0, 9, 3
12Stringfellow Hawke3, 0, 4, 5
12stevie2, 1, 2, 5, 1, 1
11jhfreedom6, 5
11Wolver5, 5, 1
11RickH2, 6, 3
10sophie1232, 8, 0
9iane9, 0
9tonyspurs0, 6, 3
9Ossettian2, 5, 2
8Dave Angel Eco Warrier8
8dhpaul3, 5
8JHUNTZ2, 0, 2, 0, 2, 2
7djaustin3, 4
7SweetBabyCheeses3, 0, 4
6dorset dumpling5, 1
5ginny hall5
5Alan P5
5Fiona Walker5
5Edmund Mortimer5
5AidanR2, 3
5Ken Gardner3, 2
5mikewaite1, 4
5CapLlam3, 0, 2
5Chicot1, 0, 3, 1, 0
4Jane G