Last updated2020-12-31T14:21:48



328206 Fred, replying to Fred, 341, #1 of 1551 🔗

For the Fallen

To mark the last day of 2020, this post is dedicated to all those whose lives and livelihoods have been lost, diminished or tainted by our nascent, deeply illiberal and socially, economically and psychologically destructive lockdown societies; for all those whose jobs and businesses have been destroyed; those whose medical conditions have been left undiagnosed; those whose cancers have been left untreated whilst the government ‘saves the NHS;’ those whose aspirations have been crushed; whose financial lifelines and supports have been laughed at, ripped up and thrown to the wolves by well-paid, cosseted and conceited scientific bureaucrats; those who’ve seen loved ones die long before their time at the hands of rescheduled and/or cancelled NHS appointments; for those citizens out on the streets exercising their democratic right to protest against lockdown who’ve been roughed up by the police; for the young woman in Victoria State, Australia, strangled to the floor by a policeman for the ‘crime’ of not wearing a mask; for the heavily pregnant woman led away from her home in handcuffs on a charge of promoting an anti-lockdown event on a Facebook page; for all those who’ve been fined for upholding the most basic tenets of any self-respecting liberal democracy – civil society, laughter, human touch, communion; for those whose elderly relatives have been left to die alone in care homes, bereft of the love and attention that would have eased their passing; for the pain and the hurt felt by those who never got to say goodbye to a loved one; for the children who’ve been left psychologically scarred by an education system now in thrall to semi-functional neurotics; for the university students being taught to fear the unknown, to look before they leap, to strip the joy out of life and to replace it with a risk assessment, to cede personal responsibility to Authority and to always value Security over and above Freedom; for all the women trapped at home with abusive partners; for the children who social workers can’t see on Skype video calls; for those whose mental health has deteriorated, who feel irreparably broken, who’ve got to thinking that they’ll never be able to find their way back to who they once were; for the people who lie awake at night worrying about where the next mortgage payment is coming from; to those who, at some point this year, have felt that they’ve had nowhere to turn but The Samaritans; and to all those troubled souls who’ve slipped unnoticed through the cracks of our desiccated society, and then out into one last lonely, bewildering descent into silence.

We won’t forget. We won’t forgive. There will be a reckoning.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:

Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.

At the going down of the sun and in the morning,

We will remember them.

They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;

They sit no more at familiar tables of home;

They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;

They sleep beyond England’s foam.

But where our desires are and our hopes profound,

Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,

To the innermost heart of their own land they are known

As the stars are known to the Night;

As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust

Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain,

As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,

To the end, to the end, they remain.

“For the Fallen,” Robert Laurence Binyon.

328207 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Fred, 35, #2 of 1551 🔗


328221 ▶▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Liewe, 38, #3 of 1551 🔗

New Tiers Eve –
Furious Sir Desmond Swayne condemns Boris Johnson’s lockdown chaos: Christmas ghost!

328402 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Stephen Priest, 31, #4 of 1551 🔗

Look at how many MPs are there to listen to this condemnation – the chamber is practically empty and none of the main players are present.

Local elections are apparently still going ahead – make sure you spoil your paper with a written message that you do not support a deeply corrupted rigged system.

329069 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to J4mes, 1, #5 of 1551 🔗

I can’t see that useless blather is going to change much.

Quite the reverse.

328209 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fred, 84, #6 of 1551 🔗

You could add the woman arrested at home for the crime of filming ‘nothing happening’ at Gloucester Royal Infirmary.

Videos posted by Northumbrian Nomad late yesterday.

328210 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to karenovirus, 120, #7 of 1551 🔗

And it was on suspicion of a public order offence. Not a violation of lockdown rules. Not a violation of curfews. Not a violation of social distancing. (Not that any of those rules exist.) But on “public order offence”… She disturbed the “public order”… Because that’s what they’re afraid of. The people waking up and breaking the tyrannical order that was imposed on us.

328214 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 31, #8 of 1551 🔗

My early morning was somewhat cheered by watching a couple of vids about Savonarola and the Bonfire of the Vanities.
In the absence of an effective government in medieval Florence the old miseryguts lied about having Divine revelations about the wicked sins of the population and how they should make pointless sacrifices to avoid the wrath of God.
The people followed him for quite a while until they very suddenly tired of it all at which point they turned on him.

328215 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to karenovirus, 14, #9 of 1551 🔗

Here’s hoping.

328216 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to karenovirus, 27, #10 of 1551 🔗

Ah, just a year before the end of the middle ages (according to my Harmsworth encyclopaedia). An age that was probably rather more humane than our current tiers of hell. I’m pretty sure people would’ve been allowed to comfort their grieving mother at a funeral. And they had proper epidemics in those days.

328219 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 6, #11 of 1551 🔗

Tom Wolfe’s book highly recommended as is his even more relevant Radical Chic & Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers (1970, brilliantly prescient) . I feel the Carthaginians sacrificing (finally) their own children (rather than the children of the poor they had paid for) to Ba’al Hammon is a more likely precedent. https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2014-01-23-ancient-carthaginians-really-did-sacrifice-their-children

328237 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 10, #12 of 1551 🔗

We can only hope that we will have our Savonarola moment!

328669 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #13 of 1551 🔗

We need a political opportunist like Johnson yo come along, tell the truth and dislodge him from power.

I haven’t seen that person yet. Where are they?

328288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to karenovirus, 21, #14 of 1551 🔗

There is also the Xhosa cattle killing movement:


“To the end, true believers never renounced their faith. They simply starved to death, blaming the failure of the prophecy on the doubts of non-believers”

328605 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Basileus, 6, #15 of 1551 🔗

That’s it. That’s the parallel. Thank you. Hadn’t thought of that.

328615 ▶▶▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to karenovirus, 3, #16 of 1551 🔗

Slightly out of date, but how did Camerons “Bonfire” of quangos go?

328707 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #17 of 1551 🔗

It rained.

329010 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #18 of 1551 🔗

Don’t know. Did he give them more money?

329007 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #19 of 1551 🔗

The Snitch that stole Freedom.

328401 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to karenovirus, 44, #20 of 1551 🔗

We are living in a very dangerous country now, with no freedom to express the truth.

I truly weep for thought of the future.

328673 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to dhid, 17, #21 of 1551 🔗

Yes, it’s far more serious than most people are prepared to admit to themselves.

328986 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to dhid, 20, #22 of 1551 🔗

I’d like to know who it was that alerted the police in the first place and what their complaint was. I see in the replies to the videos on Twatter has one or two deeply unpleasant pro-lockdown zealots who boast that the woman is not so cocky now that she has been arrested; no acknowledgement of the reason she was [wrongfully] arrested.

As for the police – this is effectively the same tactic as what they’ve been seen doing at anti-lockdown protests: pouncing on people at random and hitting them hard. It’s a shock tactic to drive fear into the broader population.

328411 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to karenovirus, 53, #23 of 1551 🔗

This was appalling behaviour by our new politicised Police. There was no offence (I have checked the Public Order Act 1986). I hope the lady concerned sues for wrongful arrest.

There should be a public outcry about this, but there won’t be.

328460 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to charleyfarley, 11, #24 of 1551 🔗

Is this something the FSU might take up?

328981 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to charleyfarley, 10, #25 of 1551 🔗

There won’t be a public outcry because the BBC and Sky won’t report it.

328439 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to karenovirus, 14, #26 of 1551 🔗

For convenience:

Woman films empty Gloucester Royal Infirmary:


Woman is arrested in her own home for filming empty Gloucester Royal Infirmary:


328609 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to J4mes, 5, #27 of 1551 🔗

Thank you. I was wrong, by the way, it’s Gloucester Royal Hospital.

328977 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #28 of 1551 🔗

Thank you for bringing our attention to this in the first place – I wasted no time in sending the links to my Coronafied dad, who insisted on having all the windows open during Christmas Day and that we all social distance. It almost ruined what will undoubtedly be our last Christmas celebration, since next year it will likely be completely outlawed.

I asked him in the email if he can point me in the direction of a mainstream news outlet that is reporting the story of this woman being arrested in her own home for showing the truth about our hospitals.

329186 ▶▶▶▶▶ Wilko, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -6, #29 of 1551 🔗

Known as GRH locally 🙂 My wife retired from GRH two years ago, Debbie Hicks filmed herself in Physio outpatients, the shop and cafe , all of which are shut on Sundays when she was there. She later went into A+E waiting room, went outside Cardiology outpatients. I am a lockdown sceptic, but all she has done is show her ignorance of how GRH functions. I deplore her arrest, presumably to try and shut her up, but supporting her weakens our case for stopping lockdown, since she is obviously talking bollocks (to anyone who actually knows the hospital.

329492 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Wilko, 3, #30 of 1551 🔗

A & E is always empty on a Sunday – really?, you sounded plausible until you came out with that one.

329041 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to J4mes, 13, #31 of 1551 🔗

A similar video has just been posted showing another empty hospital – the guy recording it is a legend, standing up to the bullying police who, suspiciously, are standing at the entrance:


328222 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fred, 51, #32 of 1551 🔗

Amen, amen.
Every conniving zombie, every horrible Covid thug, every evil, corrupt totalitarian oppressor, should be made to read this out loud, ten times a day, until they know it by heart: what they have done.

328234 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Fred, 12, #33 of 1551 🔗

The Bozzer: “We’re having our cake and eating it”.
I leave my fellow sceptics to comment, I’ve lost the will to live (temporary)

328568 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #34 of 1551 🔗

Some one else appears to have eaten my cake.

328635 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bugle, 6, #35 of 1551 🔗

I don’t like dried fruit anyway and as the Bozzer must be the biggest “fruit cake” in the history of the world, I haven’t changed my mind.

328611 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip, 13, #36 of 1551 🔗

I don’t like cake much. Can I have freedom instead?

328235 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Fred, 8, #37 of 1551 🔗

Thank you

328236 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fred, 7, #38 of 1551 🔗

Hear! Hear!!!

328245 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Fred, 5, #39 of 1551 🔗


328248 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #40 of 1551 🔗

I was lost for words as well!

328252 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fred, 24, #41 of 1551 🔗

What a wonderful post. I wish every MP and every person enthusiastically calling for more lockdowns would read this.

328395 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Fred, 17, #42 of 1551 🔗

A wonderful post, thank you. Balm for the soul. Sums up what we all feel here but are unable to say with such eloquence.

Every member of SAGE, every member of the Cabinet, and every member of Parliament should be made to read it.

328731 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to charleyfarley, 11, #43 of 1551 🔗

Lets all send it to our MPs, if Fred is ok with that.

328992 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to HelenaHancart, 3, #44 of 1551 🔗


328410 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Fred, 15, #45 of 1551 🔗

Thank you for that.

I seem to have something in my eye as it’s watering slightly and I may need to blow my nose, excuse me a moment….

328424 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Fred, 12, #46 of 1551 🔗

Well composed , sums up where we are now ! Many more people in a far worse position due to lockdowns than the virus , We need to get LS into the mainstream asap ! How can we help Toby to do it ??..

328525 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Fred, 19, #47 of 1551 🔗

Fred, when this madness ends and those monsters (no other word will do) are held to account, your words will go down in history alongside Churchill’s speeches,the American declaration of independence and the Gettysburg address.
To think that the MSM and the collaborators call us sceptics conspiracy theorists and ill informed selfish morons who are guilty of “appalling” behaviour.

328689 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Fred, 11, #48 of 1551 🔗

Very moving post thank you..

328697 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fred, 14, #49 of 1551 🔗

The best cri de coeur I’ve heard for a very long time. Thank you Fred (I’ve quoted it verbatim on Guido Fawkes website, btw).

328750 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Fred, 13, #50 of 1551 🔗

Beautifully put, my friend. Every single day my heart goes out to the countless victims of this regime’s disastrous and monstrous diktats.

328844 ▶▶ rose, replying to Fred, 11, #51 of 1551 🔗

Well said. It made me cry

328921 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Fred, 9, #52 of 1551 🔗

Terrific post, Fred.

329023 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Ceriain, 4, #53 of 1551 🔗

Agree with all of the above, superb!

329133 ▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to chris c, 3, #54 of 1551 🔗

Me too. Heartbreaking

328208 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 52, #55 of 1551 🔗

It’s all a bit strange, isn’t it…?

A vaccine that, in my ignorant opinion, sounds a lot like CRISPR… And who is world leader in CRISPR? Yep, that’s right. China. And this vaccine is pushed heavily in western countries only… No mention of vaccinating Africa, or the middle east, or Asia… A vaccination campaign promoted by people with a history of eugenics and population control. The same people that have been pushing this pandemic on us. The same people that have been lobbying for years for uncontrolled migration into Europe and for population replacement… And the biggest beneficiaries? China, again.

Funny how these things seem to tie together… It wouldn’t surprise me if this vaccine will lead to decreased fertility. Not a lot. Just enough to place it a little bit under replacement rate. 1.9 or 1.8. And it will be hidden by the much higher migrant reproduction rate. And most governments have conveniently stopped reporting these kinds of statistics broken down by race or ethnicity.

Sure, i am probably wrong. All i know is that if this is what they were actually doing, they would act and behave exactly like they are currently.

Hope you had a good Christmas. Hope you have a great New Year’s Eve. And here’s to a 2021 which will topple the secret governments of the world.

328211 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 49, #56 of 1551 🔗

The only people who will have a great New Years Eve are those who flagrantly breach the impositions of hancock the mental gimp by joining together for Illegal house parties and good luck to them.
If any of the residents of other flats in my building do so I will knock on their door at 5 to midnight with a bottle in hand.

328228 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to karenovirus, 10, #57 of 1551 🔗

Karen, if you can get to Ilkley, you’re welcome to join me.

328230 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bungle, 1, #58 of 1551 🔗

Thank you for inciting me to flout tosser hancocks silly rules but at my age I don’t travel well.

328327 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to karenovirus, 28, #59 of 1551 🔗

My brother in law is transporting his various mates to his house in the back of his transit van, to fool the stasi.

328333 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fiona Walker, 7, #60 of 1551 🔗

In the 1970s me and my mates used to get taken home from Thursday evening swim club in the back of someone’s uncles Evening Standard van, via the chippy.
The uncle would get arrested these days but it never did us any harm.

329610 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #61 of 1551 🔗

We used to transport people back to the Valley from Hollywood in the trunk (boot), We stopped once in awhile to make sure they were okay.

328213 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 26, #62 of 1551 🔗

We can at least make a start in going after the eugenicist, callous, profit-driven pharmaceutical companies that want to take over our lives. I’ve said for some time that if people learn nothing else from this tragedy, I hope they learn at least that there’s no such thing as “the science”.

Our Christmas wasn’t so bad despite everything, and we managed to have our carol singalong yesterday. Ten of us conspirators gathered in a house from 5 or 6 different households, forgetting about masks/social distancing/no touching and all the other Orwellian nonsense for the evening, belting out carols. It really made me feel human again.

Now to decide if I will still go on my bird watching trip in the “tier 4” North. And what to do if I have trouble with the authorities over it. Am I really likely to be stopped by the police? And what the hell is tier 5?

328229 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Hugh, 50, #63 of 1551 🔗

Hi Hugh, I’ve just been to the Highlands and back (from West Yorkshire). I carry 2 pieces of paper – if an officer pulls me over, the first says “sorry I have lost my voice. I have a valid reason for travel to do with mental health. I am afraid I cannot tell you any more.” The second says “I cannot accept that fixed penalty. Here is my address should you wish to take this further.”

328238 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Bungle, 4, #64 of 1551 🔗

That’s brilliant!! I’m taking your idea!

328652 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Hugh, 9, #65 of 1551 🔗

Tier 5 is the one that comes before tiers 6, 7, 8 . . . .

329612 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to charleyfarley, 2, #66 of 1551 🔗

Gee, they can count to 8.

328227 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -17, #67 of 1551 🔗

There is a human race,my dear friend but no other, outside of the Olympics that is. Your racist rhetoric has got in the way of the valid point you almost made.

328372 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bungle, 9, #68 of 1551 🔗

I don’t particularly agree with much of what Cristi said (though the Chinese seem to have played us for fools) but where’s the racism?

328488 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bungle, 15, #69 of 1551 🔗

There is a human race,my dear friend but no other, outside of the Olympics that is.

There clearly are such things as races, as everyone not in the grip of political indoctrination to the contrary recognises, much as they recognise night and day. Even the medical profession routinely recognises it every day when they address genetics-based racial differences in susceptibility to various medical conditions such as sickle cell anemia.

Why do you seek to pretend otherwise? Can you not just discuss issues around race and “racism” rationally and honestly? Or ignore them, if you find them too uncomfortable to discuss honestly and openly? The reasonable scope for discussion would be around whether and to what degree the incontrovertible facts of race has any particular importance, and what the mechanisms might be. Arguing that its significance in most areas is limited or even non-existent is one valid extreme position. Flat denial is just irrational.

The real issue of interest, though, is how so many came to have been indoctrinated into the self-evidently counter-factual dogma that you espoused there. For that we have to look at decades of indoctrination in all cultures of the US sphere, especially, via media and education.

328723 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Bungle, 7, #70 of 1551 🔗

What racist rhetoric?

And i find it kinda funny that i make no mention of race, but here you are, talking about race. Why are you so obsessed with race? Are you assuming all migrants have a particular race? That sounds kinda racist to me

328821 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #71 of 1551 🔗

Most likely the trigger was your reference to migration and reproduction rate. Obviously that can as easily be a reference to culture as to race, but antiracist dogmatists tend to have a knee-jerk response to anything relating to migration.

Political protection of mass immigration was, after all, one of the primary driving forces behind the C20th indoctrination in antiracist dogmas, pushed by the left for political advantage and by big business in order to undercut indigenous labour and conservatism.

329613 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #72 of 1551 🔗

One race, The Human Race.

329616 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #73 of 1551 🔗

Style Council, the 80s, A Gospel.

328858 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Bungle, 8, #74 of 1551 🔗

This is absurd. A ‘racist’ is someone who discriminates against others *based on their race* and/or the belief that (the ‘racist’) is superior based on the characteristic of race.

1. Nothing Cristi said would qualify as ‘racist’.

2. On your own terms, there’s no race other than the human race, so how on earth could Cristi, a human being, discriminate on the basis of another’s humanity? If the Chinese (note here that Cristi did not single out ‘the Chinese’ as a people) are not a race but part of a wider human race then what does it mean to accuse Cristi of engaging in ‘racist rhetoric’? Is Cristi somehow ‘anti-human’?

3. On (2), your argument is both absurd and self-defeating.

329028 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Bungle, 3, #75 of 1551 🔗

Why have you brought racism into this discussion?

328240 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -29, #76 of 1551 🔗

Your bigoted conspiracy theory bs is a massive hindrance to the antilockdown cause. You can think what you like but please express it somewhere else, not here.

328281 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Colin, 3, #77 of 1551 🔗

I swear these people know nothing about tactics or optics

328375 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Colin, 17, #78 of 1551 🔗

I don’t particularly agree with much of what Cristi said (though the Chinese seem to have played us for fools) but where’s the bigotry?

And where should such theories be expressed but in the comments section of a website run and paid for by the founder of the Free Speech Union?

If you disagree with the post, say why, rather than advocating censorship.

I tend to agree such theories are a hindrance, but I don’t see anything wrong with them being discussed here among people who largely agree on the wrongness of lockdowns but disagree on what’s behind it. The audiences are different.

328557 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, 4, #79 of 1551 🔗

Perhaps if Cristi had said the CCP rather than The Chinese it would have been less divisive.

328653 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to karenovirus, 6, #80 of 1551 🔗


I think “The Chinese” in general is fairly obvious shorthand for “The Chinese state” – AKA the CCP

Interpreting the post as some kind of racial slur on Chinese people seems disingenuous

328739 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Julian, 9, #81 of 1551 🔗

I never said “the Chinese”. I said China, which is a country. A political state. Not a people.

328835 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #82 of 1551 🔗

Oops, sorry.

Anyway, I can’t see how any reasonable person could characterise your post as racist or bigoted.

328734 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to karenovirus, 6, #83 of 1551 🔗

I never said “the Chinese”. I never said “the Chinese people”. I said “China”.

329012 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to karenovirus, 6, #84 of 1551 🔗

Can’t you see how pathetically sensitive we have become as a people not to offend? He said absolutely nothing to warrant such a response. Political correctness was instilled in us in advance of the Great Reset so we’d be more obedient. I find it amazing that we’re so damned compliant – especially people on this site.

329752 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to karenovirus, 1, #85 of 1551 🔗

The Taiwanese and HK are after all ethnically Chinese, though perhaps people would be assumed to take it for granted that he wasn’t referring to them.

328730 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Colin, 10, #86 of 1551 🔗

Your bigoted bs is a massive hinderance to any sort of conversation one might have. You can think what you like but please express it somewhere else, not here.

What we do here is openly discus issues. If you have any issue with what i said, you are more than welcome to point it out and we can discuss. But when you come here with vague bs, accusing me of implausible acts, not pointing to anything specific, your comment is a waste of time and space.

329004 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Colin, 6, #87 of 1551 🔗

You remind me of the sort the BBC ushers into their Question Time audience to try and give the sense that the country as a whole agrees with political correctness. You don’t have the authority to censor others because you don’t agree with them – our tyrannical government are doing a fine job snuffing out freedom of speech without your help.

329183 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #88 of 1551 🔗

Do not comply!

328212 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 32, #89 of 1551 🔗

Blimey, hancock acted just in time.
Waking up in tier 3 to find that TWO elderly people have sadlidied of the Covid in just Two days in an NHS region of barely 1.8 million souls.

328223 ▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #90 of 1551 🔗


328225 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 2, #91 of 1551 🔗

I was sloppy, it actually says ‘covid deaths’.

328289 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #92 of 1551 🔗

Was there ever any doubt?

328217 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 12, #93 of 1551 🔗

Resource for letters of liability to your G.P /vaccine administer should you wish to take the jab under duress (or just put them on notice)

Also one formulated for employers


A tad lengthy, can most certainly be edited/adapted for UK purposes with minimal fuss


328322 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #94 of 1551 🔗

Thanks for that Crystal

328218 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 35, #95 of 1551 🔗

Anger In Aylesbury. Bucks Herald.
“Aylesbury resident’s anger grows as
‘Anti lockdown’ protesters gather maskless in market square.

The protesters plan to gather (at midday) every Monday until lockdowns are lifted” (Bingo – Own Goal).

“Just yesterday a group of 20 or 30 gathered without masks in the square” (since when has anyone been required to wear masks outdoors?)
“This is as the UK recorded a whopping 41,385 new cases” (‘whopping’ ?)

“The protesters are claiming that the virus is a ‘hoax’ made up to infringe on civil liberties” (strawman).

“Yesterday a local person who did not wish to be named said
‘A group of 20-30 unmasked and un-socially-distanced people blocked Market Street to protest the ‘draconian’ government response to a ‘hoax’ virus”

(Normal people don’t say ‘protest the . . .’, they say ‘protest against the . . .’ unless you are a journalist or an American.)

“While, of course, the right to free speech must be defended” (here we go)
“The pointed lack of mask wearing and social distancing etc. and etc.”

Outdoor masks coming soon folks.

328257 ▶▶ Mike, replying to karenovirus, 41, #96 of 1551 🔗

As soon as they roll out the school testing and spike the numbers again…masks outside for sure. Once again the plot to this B movie is pretty predictable.

Make sure you’ve all got your lanyards ready. And before someone says we don’t need lanyards to remain maskless, I completely agree. However, once ‘they’ mandate masks outdoors the sheeple will feel empowered beyond all reason to attack the maskless.

It will be like something straight out of a zombie film; ie, any one who moves different, acts different, looks different will instantly become noticed and a target for a full blown Karen attack, of which I suspect there will be an increase.

The zombies disgust me far more than the parasitic politicians…at least you know the latter are a bunch of conmen selling snake oil. The former have given up every scrap of dignity to cower from the sniffles. Pathetic.

328259 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mike, 23, #97 of 1551 🔗

The zombies disgust me far more than the parasitic politicians…at least you know the latter are a bunch of conmen selling snake oil. The former have given up every scrap of dignity to cower from the sniffles. Pathetic.

Yep. At least with the politicians you know what you’re getting and if you’re cynical and wise then you’re aware that politicians actually hold the people they’re supposed to serve in contempt.

With the zombies they can spin it as being “caring” and wanting to keep you “safe” but that caring face is only skin deep. The ugly face is underneath and their real selves.

328286 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mike, 13, #98 of 1551 🔗

I agree that if outdoor maskurbation becomes compulsory wearing lanyards would be sensible, within stores most people know that they are on CCTV.

328464 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 6, #99 of 1551 🔗

“Maskurbation should be voluntary “.

That’s a T- shirt slogan!

328220 Stephen Priest, replying to Stephen Priest, 11, #100 of 1551 🔗

New Tiers Eve – Furious Sir Desmond Swayne condemns Boris Johnson’s lockdown chaos: Christmas ghost!

328224 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stephen Priest, 7, #101 of 1551 🔗

Sir Desmond is complaining about the government abusing parliamentary process.

The Times is warning that they are using Brexit legislation to enable the same thing.

328588 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to karenovirus, 3, #102 of 1551 🔗

Everything this government does evades scrutiny.

329620 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 2, #103 of 1551 🔗

They already have used sweeping powers without seeking parliamentary approval. These people will never be satisfied.

328226 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #104 of 1551 🔗

From the main article
‘Sarah Vine in the Daily Mail says “It’s madness to treat our schools like nail bars”.

They are not, in tier 3 Personal Care businesses remain open, presumably that includes nailbars, hair extensions and tanning salons.

328583 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 13, #105 of 1551 🔗

around 1 in 3 people with Covid have no symptoms so will be spreading the virus without realising.

and so the massive LIE continues! Asymptomatic people do not spread the virus:

Asymptomatic transmission is biologically implausible ~ Dr Michael Yeaon ~

329422 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to Victoria, 4, #106 of 1551 🔗

If we were really in the middle of a deadly pandemic why would it be necessary for the government to lie in advertising and why does a deadly pandemic need an advertising campaign.

328738 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to karenovirus, 2, #107 of 1551 🔗

well, a large proportion of our gifted, state-schooled woof are (only) qualified for nail bars, or tattoo parlours. Cut Mr Vine some slack!

328231 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 34, #108 of 1551 🔗

Probably posted yesterday but I was busy so didn’t read the comments.
Latest Ons death rates for the past six weeks for England and Wales, just over 1000 up on the first six weeks of the year.
182 a week up out of 60 odd million.
So death rates are basically the same as January at the moment, considering we have had 30,000 plus covid cases a day for weeks on end, kind of sums up the massive overreaction.
Social media and MSM led snowflake pandemic with a weak and Lilly livered government. Gross incompetence and wasting hundreds of billions which could have been spent on sorting out better care homes and overall elderly care, looking after our pensioners rather than wasting on apps, tracing and every other level of stupid.
My view for well over six months, really since the start.

328244 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to John Ballard, 23, #109 of 1551 🔗

Prior to March this year I had no idea how many people died on average and so it has been a strange 9 months as I have become an avid follower of death data! The general public are completely spooked by any mention of death and so really any death figures need to be presented in perspective and context but this is rarely done.
Working in wildlife conservation one of the measures of population success is stable or growing populations, which involves comparing births and deaths.
The ONS have published live birth figures for the first 9 months of 2020, the full years figures will not be out until Jan/Feb 2021 but even so the prediction is that by the end of 2020, despite all the ‘covid deaths’, there will have been between 10,000 to 20.000 more live births than registered deaths in England & Wales. With my conservation hat on this is an indication of a stable and slightly increasing population. As a pandemic this makes Covid compare stangely with Spanish flu which caused a dip in population numbers and the Black Death which devastated populations.
Governments should react to the overall long term trends and comparisons not the daily scary figures that are current causing so much turmoil.

328247 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #110 of 1551 🔗

This virus that’s been going round will have little or no impact on long term population trends.

I should add that there have been rather a lot of dead births as well, and probably even more this year with all the unhinged restrictions we’ve been suffering. Those of us who worry about that sort of thing may find it a strange fact that there have been well over twice as many dead births as (officially claimed) cv deaths and no one bats an eyelid. Yet we have a virus going around that causes less excess deaths than in 2008 and suddenly we have to lose a slew of basic human rights…

Well, good night.

328261 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 6, #111 of 1551 🔗

120k stillbirths ? I have no idea if that is high or not but I previously reported how, at the beginning of lockdown, the sister of a young woman suffered a stillbirth.

She found that the cause of death was given as Covid and it was only because the father in law was ‘someone in the military’ that the family were able to get this changed.

328272 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to karenovirus, 2, #112 of 1551 🔗

The ONS report that the still birth rate for the first 9 months of 2020 is 3.9 per 1000 live births. Their comment on live births is;
Based on birth notification data, in the first three quarters (Jan to Sept) of 2020 , there were 464,437 live births in England and Wales;

329753 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to karenovirus, #113 of 1551 🔗

For the record, over 200k killed or died naturally before (or during) birth last year. Just saying, like…

328593 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #114 of 1551 🔗

But it’s the “daily scary figures” that have traction with a selfish and cowardly proportion of the public.

328473 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to John Ballard, 2, #115 of 1551 🔗

From May onwards it was obviously a vanity project for BJ, Hancock and the doom goblins of Sage. Lots of publicity, power and money in it for them.

328232 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 30, #116 of 1551 🔗

It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

A lot of noise yesterday, but as shown above one piece of real data stands out, from the ONS stats published in the morning:

Week 51 population and age adjusted excess deaths: 501.

Week 18 ended 17th April population and age adjusted excess deaths: 10,979.*

In other words, there’s very little going on: forget the new variants, the schools are being closed for no reason, the government should spend on the NHS some of the £320bn it’s wasted on repairing the disaster it’s created – there were more beds occupied in December 2018 than now. The government is a complete disgrace and their press conferences should be a laughing stock.

Over the year as a whole, excess deaths are around 25-30,000, 5-6%, and that includes all the deaths of those that couldn’t or were too scared to use the NHS.

  • Detail: Total deaths England and Wales week 51: 13,011, average of last 5 years: 11,548. Excess deaths for week 1,463, adjusted for population growth and ageing (my calculation based on 8.33% growth in over 70 population): 501

Compare this to the worst week of the year –  week 18 ended 17 April: Deaths 22,351, last 5 years’ average 10,497, excess 11,854, adjusted for population and age: 10,979

328264 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 10, #117 of 1551 🔗

Week 18 excess deaths 11k
Week 51 excess deaths 500

Yet fergusob, handjob and bozo still telling us it’s worse than in March-April and co-opting medics and hack journos to confirm it.

328271 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #118 of 1551 🔗

The post below by Colin being a classic example

328268 ▶▶ jos, replying to Laurence, 11, #119 of 1551 🔗

The worst week of the year coincided with the worst air pollution the south of England has witnessed for years – and my posts on Facebook and other social media at the time were taken down at a time when elderly people were being taken into hospital suffering from a respiratory illness.. it’s so strange that this has been ignored as it must have had at least a partial effect on the high number of excess deaths.

328428 ▶▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to jos, 12, #120 of 1551 🔗

I believe there is something in that. Modern medicine is almost totally dominated by the Pasteur Germ Theory, with nasty bacteria and viruses making us ill.

But the absolute proof for it is shakier than most doctors would care to admit. It also has less explanatory power than they like to think too.

Bechamp’s Terrain Theory is largely discredited by modern medicine but it has some explanatory power. It sees viruses and bacteria as an outcome of illness rather than a root cause.

Adherents of that approach would then point to high pollution levels in northern Italy and Wuhan as reasons for the April epidemics there. They might claim specific one off climate related events as triggers too. This approach could then be applied more fully to look for explanations that are not fully based on virus transmission between humans. However, to even suggest this is considered heresy by modern medicine.

However, most orthodoxies are wrong. My suspicion is that there is far more sense in Terrain Theory than modern medicine cares to acknowledge. For example, the underlying reason for seasonality of the flu virus is still not understood. Terrain Theory would look for different seasonal related reasons that affect the body.

329106 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Stephensceptic, 3, #121 of 1551 🔗

Well they do afmit it sometimes, there was that little girl who died from an asthma attack “caused” by air pollution from the south circular.

It’s much the same with “genetic” diseases which strangely change in incidence, there must be environmental factors affecting expression of the genes.

329515 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Stephensceptic, 1, #122 of 1551 🔗

Ivor Cummins has commented that most of the afflicted in Northern Italy had catastrophically low Vit D levels, which has a huge effect on thenbodies ability to fight off deleterious conditions possibly including air pollution.


328239 Colin, replying to Colin, 6, #123 of 1551 🔗

While I am unable to dispute any of the facts stated in this article, it is so packed with panic triggers and well-targeted button pushing that as a writer and editor myself, I suspect that it has been written by a committee, or worse, an AI program : https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-nhs-hospitals-doctors-nurses-covid-b1780398.html

328255 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Colin, 15, #124 of 1551 🔗

Probably used one for March and added a few seasonal pointers.I saw an interview on Sky last night with a nurse saying all most the same things.Its a script they are reading from.
The government did not have the right to take away our liberty to protect a failing state institution,we should never forget that

328267 ▶▶▶ Colin, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #125 of 1551 🔗

Yes, didn’t think of recycled button-pushing. That would explain the « masked author » … or did the photographer not have a zoom lens that day, and had to take the photo from 1 yard distance ?

328273 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Colin, 8, #126 of 1551 🔗

Watching Sky news I felt if I had been transported back 9 months.This is the big push to ensure take up of the vaccine.

328287 ▶▶▶▶▶ Colin, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #127 of 1551 🔗

That point is put across with the subtlety of a sledgehammer at the end of the article

328274 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Colin, 6, #128 of 1551 🔗

BBC R4 yesterday spent 45 minutes following the 9am news rehashing all the early Covid horror stories including tearful frontline workers and relatives of the sadlidied even though it was becoming clear that most would have died this year anyway.

328629 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 2, #129 of 1551 🔗

Couldn’t sleep last night and scrolled through R4 to find sth to listen to. To my horror I found a program “How to vaccinate the world”, interview by Tim Hartford with Bill Gates.
As I said, I wanted to sleep, so did not listen to it.
An old program, as at this time of year they recycle content.

328241 Bart Simpson, 54, #130 of 1551 🔗

Can’t believe we’re already at the end of the year but still no end with this living nightmare on sight.

Sinead Murphy’s article is spot on and well worth reading. I think what I’ve found really upsetting this year is how my mental health has taken a battering and realising what the people I know can be like when push comes to shove – callous, cruel, insensitive and false.

To be civil and professional with them will take every fibre of my being.

Of course my own work troubles aren’t over as after the New Year we will learn who gets the chop. And given how the government is reluctant to open everything up which will mean that very likely there will be more redundancies in the pipeline.

As I’ve said before, it will be our scared duty to remind a great many people of their cruelty, cowardice and allowing this tyranny to happen. They should never be allowed to forget how they aided and abetted all this.

328243 TJN, replying to TJN, 41, #131 of 1551 🔗

Mankind took thousands of years to get from the Stone Age through to the Enlightenment and beyond.

And about a week to go all the way back again.

Good riddance to 2020. God knows what’s coming in 2021.

328722 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to TJN, 7, #132 of 1551 🔗

We got almost 3 months of freedom at the beginning of 2020. No guarantee we even get that in 2021.

328246 Averycommontater, 4, #133 of 1551 🔗

Some people may have seen the video of the woman filming Gloucestershire Royal Hospital. According to this article she has been arrested.
Woman arrested in connection with video filmed at Gloucestershire Royal Hospital – Gloucestershire Live

The video can be seen here.

328249 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 4, #134 of 1551 🔗

How and at what point is the infectious variant or strain determined for those who have tested positive?

Can this be done for lateral flow tests?

328280 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to SilentP, 2, #135 of 1551 🔗

The government charts include the words “new variant compatible” for the series. I don’t know exactly what this means, but it does imply to me that it is a guesstimate. Possibly related to one of the PCR target RNA strands bring absent in the new strain. Maybe someone with more knowledge can comment.

328250 Averycommontater, replying to Averycommontater, 1, #136 of 1551 🔗

Some people may have seen the video of the woman filming Gloucestershire Royal Hospital. According to this article she has been arrested.

I can’t post a link, but check out GloucestershireLive and search for “Woman arrested”. Also search Summit News “A woman in the UK was arrested”

328298 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Averycommontater, 2, #137 of 1551 🔗

She’ s been bailed to 21st January. Here’s the offending video. https://www.bitchute.com/video/RK2SX9mBwDI5/

328320 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #138 of 1551 🔗

I looked at it . The place is totally deserted.The video has had over 200 thousands viewers already. Perhaps if the muffinheads at Gloucester Police had not been so silly, it would not have attracted so much interest.
Now there’s a thought. Could it be that embedded in Gloucester police station there is a sceptic inspector who saw a chance to strike a blow for sanity?

329115 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to mikewaite, #139 of 1551 🔗

Oh yes, the Streisand Effect

328342 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #140 of 1551 🔗

Been exactly the same at my major regional hospital for weeks despite them not closing whole departments to utilize as ITU as they did in March-April.

A few days ago I posted some pictures of retail units that have closed since lockdown.
In the Shopping Centre there are complete strips of empty units mostly former hospitality outlets but I didn’t photograph those.

The Centre is owned by Land Securities and I expected to be harassed by Security Guards if I took said photos or at least be recorded on CCTV.

328251 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 35, #141 of 1551 🔗

From the main article
The anonymous Track’n’Trace operative says “it’s obvious most people can’t be bothered to pick up the phone . . .”

Not exactly, most people make a conscious decision not to answer ‘unidentified caller’ because they know it is most likely to be Track’n’Trace and they don’t want to be told to self isolate because of a passing contact with someone who might or might not have the Covid of which they are not really scared anyway.

328260 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 5, #142 of 1551 🔗

“Problems Of Medical Martial Law Part 27”

328378 ▶▶ Julian, replying to karenovirus, 5, #143 of 1551 🔗

The numbers are on public record and can easily be pre-blocked

328632 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 3, #144 of 1551 🔗

The T&T person said the people not answering the phone are the ones having had a test.
So they obviously do not want to make live miserable for their contacts. Wonders why they did a test in the first place, unless their employer or a school “forced” it on them.

328253 Averycommontater, replying to Averycommontater, #145 of 1551 🔗

Why are my comments being deleted?

328384 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Averycommontater, 4, #146 of 1551 🔗

I’ve seen people mention missing comments but often they have found them again.

I doubt there’s censorship – lots of posts here that would probably be deleted elsewhere for violating many rules are left to stand here – the people who run this site believe in free speech.

Try posting again?

Waht were you posting?

328254 jos, replying to jos, 7, #147 of 1551 🔗

The BMJ has a research paper which shows a positive correlation between flu jab recipients at the beginning of this year and ‘covid’ deaths – this could be correlation rather than causation as many elderly people are probably more likely to have a flu jab and to be victims of flu fatalities – or there could be some more sinister side to this.. anyone else seen / heard this?

328262 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to jos, 4, #148 of 1551 🔗

Saw that on the Bernician website too

328549 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to jos, 7, #150 of 1551 🔗

I believe that repeated flu vaccinations for a period of 4 or 5 years raises the risk of dementia by a massive amount. Strange that when someone dies shortly after a vaccination the excuse is that ‘were old’ and yet they don’t say the same when they die of flu. Many, myself included, think that vaccination for the elderly is inappropriate as their immune systems aren’t robust. This leads to autoimmune problems.I wonder if they will count those dying after a Covid-19 vaccine as a Covid-19 death? Lol!

328637 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to jos, 5, #151 of 1551 🔗

Recent flu jabs and the pneumonia jab was one theory for the high death rate in Italy.
These are compulsory in Italy for anyone over 60.

329124 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Silke David, #152 of 1551 🔗

Predicted long ago, and this was one of the reasons.

328752 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to jos, 1, #153 of 1551 🔗

Happening now in Mexico from what I understand with peopel dying from covid 2 or 3 days after getting this year’s flu jab.

So far only anecdotal stories from famillies three, trying to find a “news” source with it in.

£ from one extended family in 1 week is a bit more than coincidence.

328256 chaos, 8, #154 of 1551 🔗

Most of the population will forget how to socialise.

328263 TJN, replying to TJN, 4, #155 of 1551 🔗

Anyone know what’s happening with that class action headed by the German-American lawyer Dr Reiner Fuellmich, supported by Dr Yeadon and others?

328643 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to TJN, 2, #156 of 1551 🔗

He gave an interview to Bittel TV in German (and I believe other journalists) on the 24th December. They were expecting to present a case in Canada on behalf of a Canadian business to court and a judge will decide if it is worth being heard in a full trial. Will probably happen beginning of January.
Justice system is very slow.

328687 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Silke David, 1, #157 of 1551 🔗

Ok, thanks. Hopefully we’ll get updates on here.

I thought he had posted a writ or something on Drosten?

328729 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to TJN, 1, #158 of 1551 🔗

I think you mean the Eurojournal article demanding he retract his statements about the efficiency of the PCR Test. I am not sure if he was involved in that.
The Independent Corona Ausschuss, which he is part of, gathered a lot of evidence relating to that.
There are several quite high profile activists in German speaking countries who have made public demands on Drosten to justify/prove his statements.
He has been very quiet recently, not even doing his podcast.

328794 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Silke David, 2, #159 of 1551 🔗

Thanks – it’s so hard to keep up at times!

Drosten does seem to be a weak point in all this, so I hope someone is pushing it hard.

328265 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, #160 of 1551 🔗

What day did this site linked that summary to that recent study casting doubt on asymptomatic transmission?

328283 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #161 of 1551 🔗

Bart. Are you looking for this article: Has the Evidence of Asymptomatic Spread of COVID-19 been Significantly Overstated? by Dr Clare Craig FRCPath and Jonathan Engler MBChB LLB
Not sure what day it was. I put in a search for Asymptomatic Transmission in the search box top RH of the page and that is what popped up.Hope this helps.

328299 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Burlington, #162 of 1551 🔗

That’s the one. Cheers

328266 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 25, #163 of 1551 🔗

Thought I’d tweak Bryan Adams’ classic to reflect our current situation…

I bought my first real six string
Shops closed so I ordered online
All to save Hancock’s NHS
In the summer of Tier 69

Me and some guys from school
Spoke on Zoom and we tried real hard
Jimmy died, Jody took an overdose
I should’ve known, we’d never get far

Oh, when I look back now
That summer seemed to last forever
And because I had no choice
I had to get the jab from Pfizer
Those were the worst days of my life

Ain’t no use in complainin’
When you’ve no job to go back to
Spent my evenings queuing up for soup
Because I couldn’t pay for food, yeah

Standing on your mama’s porch
You told me you’d stay masked forever
Oh, and when you bleached your hands
I guess you were never that clever
Those were the worst days of my life

328279 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Scotty87, 3, #164 of 1551 🔗

Well done. Canadiana. I remember that song well. I would guess Bryan is a lockdown sceptic. He has a brain.

328331 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Scotty87, 1, #165 of 1551 🔗

That’s excellent

328269 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 40, #166 of 1551 🔗

I do wonder when customers bang on about us all getting the vaccine whether they are sounding me out to see if I will be getting it. Being a gobby sort, I always snort with derision at the very suggestion that someone else should wish on me a largely untested/potentially unsafe medical intervention. Even had one tosser yesterday, when I informed him – in no uncertain terms – that I would not be having any vaccine, say to me “you won’t get spina bifida you know …” I smiled to myself and thought, no, I definitely won’t … Anyway, even if I do get known as that crazy cafe owner who won’t get the vaccine, it will certainly weedle out yet more of a certain type of customer that I do not want. And, the blackboards, while eliciting some disapproving looks, are attracting sceptics …

328277 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 23, #167 of 1551 🔗

I have decided to mess with their heads. I tell them I have converted and the handy cock was right all the time. I tell them I’m going to have all the vaccines as soon as I can. I have that guy from The Great Escape working on false papers for me

I’m going into deep cover and intend to infiltrate the Branch Covidians

328435 ▶▶ quodcumque, replying to kh1485, 12, #168 of 1551 🔗

It certainly is attracting sceptics and I can’t recommend it highly enough. It was a pleasure to pop in yesterday.

328448 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to quodcumque, 8, #169 of 1551 🔗

Thanks and nice to meet a fellow sceptic!

328270 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #170 of 1551 🔗

The Pig Dictator says Easter. His Liar in Chief says 2022

328278 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 16, #171 of 1551 🔗

He said it would be inhuman to cancel Christmas.2 days later he did.I don’t believe either of them.This is the new normal we were promised.

328319 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Cecil B, 16, #172 of 1551 🔗

He will say anything. As James Delingpole describes him: “…Johnson’s tone, unfortunately, is — for all the cheery bluster — essentially one of vacillation, procrastination, deviousness, mendacity, cowardice, egoism and, always but always, his prioritisation of the needs of his penis above everything else.”

329289 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #173 of 1551 🔗

I am incapable of understanding what women see in him.

Or anyone else, for that matter

328349 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 4, #174 of 1551 🔗

Wouldn’t trust any of them. They’re liars all of them.

328480 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 7, #175 of 1551 🔗

This will never stop until some politicians get the rope.
I suggest the leader of each party – just to be fair
and Blair obviously

328275 swedenborg, 25, #176 of 1551 🔗

Malcom McKendrick’ article today in the update is very worth reading in full and the conclusion that all SD has been absolutely of no value. But then the reality of London and SE, with 110 % overcapacity due to the seasonal surge is a reality. Think about all the money saved if we didn’t have the LD? Just take the meaningless mass testing costing 12 billion pounds would have been better spent increasing the ICU capacity and also good investment for the future. The hard fact is that -10% GDP has achieved nothing. If we have followed the flu pandemic guidelines 2019 this money could have been spent wisely.

328276 jos, replying to jos, 6, #177 of 1551 🔗

This was the pollution level in London and the south east during the peak of covid deaths- the graph looks remarkably similar to the April peak we are shown in the briefings but no reference to this is ever made and very similar trends can be seen in Italy and Spain.

328493 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to jos, 1, #178 of 1551 🔗

Can you explain what AQI is and is there one particularly dangerous pollutant or is it the combination that’s significant?

It makes sense that pollutants would affect respiratory disease and be dangerous if for example, someone had pre-existing heart disease. I’d like to know more.

328639 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to thinkaboutit, #179 of 1551 🔗
328302 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Joseph, 10, #181 of 1551 🔗

You should read the comments on the Van-Tam article.

eg. ‘How patronising. He’s old. Does he go to bingo halls?’

328337 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Basileus, 3, #182 of 1551 🔗

Yes, because that is the idea you should be taking from the dick head’s statement. This is why we are where we are.

328388 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Joseph, 9, #183 of 1551 🔗

They need to be careful – people have put up with a lot and expect results – once they realise that nothing has got better, they will feel rightly they have been had

328415 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Joseph, 3, #184 of 1551 🔗

I shall be politely declining his offer and trying not to drown myself the next time I sail under Kingsferry Bridge not dying of boredom in some bingo hall.

328561 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Joseph, 12, #185 of 1551 🔗

Utter contempt for the elderly. I am a pensioner and wouldn’t go near a bingo hall!!!! What a condescending twat. This reinforces my view that, once you are no longer working, they want you dead.

328628 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Mutineer, 5, #186 of 1551 🔗

Have you framed your DNR certificate yet? Waiting eagerly for mine.

329135 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #187 of 1551 🔗

I’d actually ask for one if I could ever see a doctor again.

Frankly if got got covid (again) the last place I’d go is a hospital. In fact if anything else goes wrong I’m quite prepared to die in my own bed rather than put up with the NHS

328284 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #189 of 1551 🔗

Vaccination doesn’t change anything. I know we all know that. But certain skeptics online (especially Twitter) are putting on an “optimistic” front re the vaccine.

Susan Michie says no change to the way we are living and she’s one of the people in charge.


328294 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #190 of 1551 🔗

Pfizer’s own 53 page report says that the vaxx does not stop transmission its data fraud citing ‘95% effective’ (against what, for whom, how?); is against symptoms only…..SAGE (short for The Stupid and Gratuitous Empty-headed clown show), messaged back in Dec that the diapers and LDs should last into 2022….(spring)….so expect a ramp up in that messaging in 2021.

328306 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FerdIII, 7, #191 of 1551 🔗

It’s not even a vaccine in any meaningful way, it is a prophylactic at best.

328296 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #192 of 1551 🔗

Susan Mitchie is also a self confessed Marxist. I wonder why she is one of the”People in Charge?”

328305 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #193 of 1551 🔗

Let’s hope she reads the replies to her own tweets. If she does she’ll be wailing about the “horrific abuse she is being subjected to”.

328572 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to karenovirus, 6, #194 of 1551 🔗

The comments are gold

329640 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #195 of 1551 🔗

Keep subjecting her.

328431 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Country Mumkin, 10, #196 of 1551 🔗

They need to be careful – people have put up with a lot and expect results – once they realise that nothing has got better, they will feel rightly they have been had

328674 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Julian, 2, #197 of 1551 🔗

I think that’s why some of the skeptics are displaying optimism on Twitter. They’re holding the line for the vaccine. Then, they will roar if we are not all out and about again.

328290 Janette, replying to Janette, 10, #199 of 1551 🔗

I notice Tesco are now offering to inject the vaccine. How desperate are the government to get this jab into people? This is all rather odd, there is never any desperation to inject the usual flu jabs!

328313 ▶▶ l835, replying to Janette, 18, #200 of 1551 🔗

The government has dug themselves into such a deep hole, the only way out without loosing face is mass vaccination.

328357 ▶▶▶ Colin, replying to l835, 12, #201 of 1551 🔗

Absolutely. They are betting the house, the farmland and uncle Seth’s new red tractor on this one…

328400 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Colin, 11, #202 of 1551 🔗

Agree, collateral damage stacking up making it harder and harder to keep up the lies.

328413 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 6, #203 of 1551 🔗

Yes – when people say they ”smell a rat” – I always think of a ”Race Against Time”.

328397 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to l835, 9, #204 of 1551 🔗

Tesco!!! So you can shop there for a loaf of bread and get the doom elixir stuck in your arm as well?

328644 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Waldorf, 6, #205 of 1551 🔗

Crusty roll and the Broth of Abominable Things.

329642 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to l835, #206 of 1551 🔗

Keep digging until they end up in China. Where they belong.

328321 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Janette, 10, #207 of 1551 🔗

Perhaps you get double clubcard points with it?
If ASDA do it as well perhaps they do it in your posterior and then you could rub it in with that ridiculous ASDA bottom pat.
Every little helps!

328407 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #208 of 1551 🔗

My brother had rabies jabs in his stomach in Quetta before the dog in question was caught and a post mortem conducted, pretty painful.

328339 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Janette, 5, #209 of 1551 🔗

Not sure this is correct. I don’t think the Government has approached Tesco -it is the other way round -and why wouldn’t a commercial organisation seek out a money making opportunity? They got the gig for this years flu jab. No clubcard points as the shopper doesn’t pay.

328346 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Janette, 3, #210 of 1551 🔗


328354 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Janette, 5, #211 of 1551 🔗

I suspect this is the government trying to cover their backs because if something goes horribly wrong then its Tesco who will be sued not the government.

328291 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 23, #212 of 1551 🔗

This is fascism disguised as a health policy. Mussolini defined fascism as the merger of state and corporate power. There’s never been so much corporate power exercised in western countries as we now see exercised by the pharmaceutical industry, the heirs of IG Farben,.

328325 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #213 of 1551 🔗

The Twilght Of Sovereignty, 1992 book by Walter Wristum then CEO of Citicorp.

Predicts the redundancy of national sovereignty and the coming of ‘market democracy’ as high tech means big business is better able to deliver what people want rather than cumbersome political democracy which will whither on the vine along with politicians.

328392 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to karenovirus, 11, #214 of 1551 🔗

During the Brexit debate I was labelled a right winger. In vain I pointed out that left wing luminaries like Noam Chomsky were pointing to the dangers of hidden transnational corporate governance and had been doing so for decades.

328398 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #215 of 1551 🔗

Oligarchical Collectivism

328465 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #216 of 1551 🔗

Neo Liberals need to get the rope
There is no other option at this point given what they have done

329645 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #217 of 1551 🔗

Lasso them first. Like they do in the Rodeo.

328421 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to karenovirus, 4, #218 of 1551 🔗

Perhaps we should invite Amazon yto take over the UK.
At least the trains would run on time.
(Apologies to Mussolini).

328292 Cecil B, 31, #219 of 1551 🔗

I am trying to work up a model to indicate the level of scepticism based on New Years Eve rioting figures

My problem is testing to find the number of asymptomatic rioters. An asymptomatic rioter is an individual who is rioting internally but displays no outward signs

There is also the issue of false positives. False positives are individuals who would have gone out, got pissed and fought with the police anyway (thinking Scotland here)

Peer review is welcome

328293 TC, replying to TC, 68, #220 of 1551 🔗

I woke up in Tier 4 today.
An email from my partner as to whether we open on Monday to which I replied that we would as we should be considered “essential” but pointed out possible staffing problems from the very start of the year as some employees have school age children so will they have family to care for them if they work? One employee needs to be furloughed as she’s already been informed by HMG that she is “vulnerable” (strange how she isn’t when HMG modifies Tiers).
Ignoring the fact that I am probably more high risk than her but being self employed have to work (and try to keep people in work alongthe way).
My best friends are retired and seem to have no real idea what this countrty is like now for people trying to work.
But I am not sorry for myself:instead I am angry at the incompetent or downright malignant bullying government which is spreading fear and ignorance,despoiling childrens’ lives with not even the pretence now of crocodile tears and has lied consistently like worthy apprentices of Goebbels.
The use of frankly inappropriately qualified scientific advisers (I am being unduly kind here) without any allowable critique by HMG where there is more than just an arguable case for scrutiny is jaw dropping coupled to the lack of any poitical opposition.This is far worse than the run up to the invasion of Iraq. Anyone who seriously knew anything about military matters would have struggled to accept Iraq,after years of sanctions etc, could attack British bases in Cyprus with missiles in 40 minutes as I seem to recall was announced by Blair to a packed House of zombie MPs.
Sorry it’s along post but I’m annoyed and have time to post which will not be the case when I open on Monday.
A Brave New Year to you all and stay sane.

328408 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to TC, 12, #221 of 1551 🔗

My heart goes out to you, and all the other committed people trying to get through this with honour. Who’d have thought we could be betrayed by our own government on this scale?

329172 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to TC, 5, #222 of 1551 🔗

The reason the mainstream media (MSM) is not holding the government to account is very easy to explain.

The MSM is in the Government’s pocket. Just look at the massive advertising campaign re Covid, Radio, TV, newspapers, it’s wall to wall and government is spending millions on this campaign which has been relentless for 10 months and continuing.

The Government is the MSM biggest advertising client

328297 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 10, #223 of 1551 🔗

To show the excellence of the advice the government received from its health ‘experts’ in March, a trend that has continued ever since:

‘(As) healthcare professionals within HSCNI, we are deeply concerned about the failure to introduce social distancing measures to slow the spread of SARS-CoV-2 in line with the Republic of Ireland”.

“In summary, a further week without meaningful social distancing may leave our critical care capacity overwhelmed within a fortnight.’

‘…we must remind you that the state of HSCNI is very different to the rest of the NHS at the outset of this difficult period.”

‘In short, we are in the worst shape of any part of the NHS going into this.’

It is understood the letter is being shared widely among medical professionals as well as others and, as of 3pm on Monday (March 16), more than 1,000 people had signed it.’


The government response? The ‘do nothing’ option!

‘…..closing schools at this stage could be “counterproductive”.

The results?


Dr Malcom Kendrick’s piece is enlightening.

‘…. there are anomalies all over the place. Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK, and did exactly the same things as the rest of the UK with regard to lockdown, masks etc. At least it did in the earlier part of the year. However, it shows a completely different pattern to England. Or, to be fully accurate, it shows no pattern at all. No waves, and nobody drowning.’


What is left to say, indeed.

328308 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #224 of 1551 🔗

May I provide a quick translation? “( As) healthcare professionals within HSCNI, we are deeply concerned about the failure to introduce social distancing measures to get everyone dancing to the virtue-signalling beat and start the process of wearing down individuality and originality of thought in society. A further week without meaningful social distancing may leave people still able to think for themselves. It is of paramount importance that we activate people’s fear reflexes and get them jumping out of the way of each other in public places without further delay.”

328309 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #225 of 1551 🔗

Does anyone know whether NHS Northern Ireland cleared their hospital wards in the same way as NHS England did in March ( https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/resource/uncategorised/nhs-englands-17-march-letter-on-next-urgent-steps-in-response-to-covid-19/ )

Because, if it did not, that would be one explanation for the complete lack of any ‘covid 19 mortality waves’ in Northern Ireland throughout 2020?
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328348 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #226 of 1551 🔗

The statistics say COVID19. I say, bollocks.

11th hour quote of the year.

328359 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #227 of 1551 🔗

Why are they in the worst shape? Isn’t it a condemnation of their utterly bankrupt approach to services? Is it that they opted to do nothing to improve the service because hey simples just push the big red button when winter comes and it will make respiratory disease in the elderly go away? Money pissed up the wall to close the place down instead of spent on services to bring them up to European standards.

328300 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 39, #228 of 1551 🔗

My mother’s friends have cancelled the New Year’s Day lunch she’d planned. She’s extremely disappointed (and now has a kitchen full of finger food and two bottles of Sauvignon Blanc [no doubt the usual stuff she buys, which tastes like fly killer, but never mind]). I’m going to FaceTime with her from my Bangkok roof at midnight Thai time, to let her see the fireworks and give her some sort of festivity. As I posted yesterday, if it was up to me I’d ignore the whole thing, but I feel very sorry for her. January 8 will be the anniversary of the last time I saw her. Since March she’s seen none of her coffee friends, all of whom are 80 plus and at least one 90 plus. I periodically explode on instant messages, telling her this is all a complete waste of LIFE. But she can’t do much about it if other people cancel everything. In her message this morning she said, “Everybody is talking about spring and Easter as being ‘back to normal’ – but how do they know that?” Well, quite. 2021 had better see a reckoning with the evildoers. Harm done. So much harm done.

328371 ▶▶ Thomasina, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #229 of 1551 🔗

Yes I cant believe that my brother and his girlfiend have wimped out and cancelled the planned New Years Day lunch for the family (we are all in Somerset put into Tier 4 as of this morning). My Mum is 86 and is fed up with all the nonsense. All the coffee mornings, activity livings, gardening clubs etc etc have been non-existant for months. We had a fantastic family Christmas Day and she was looking forward to New Years Day celebration too. Just for the record my brother lives in a small hamlet by the sea – reason for cancellation can only be the risk of a nosey neighbour reporting him to the police. Disappointed in him to say the least.

328414 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Thomasina, 6, #230 of 1551 🔗

Tell your mum to leave your brother out of her will. No contact, no estate.

328526 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #231 of 1551 🔗

If my mum, an old school WW2 vintage nurse, were still alive she would have taken lockdown 1 seriously asking me to leave her weekly heavy shop outside her door.
But by now would have seen it was all nonsense and welcomed me ‘home’ for Xmas and New Years Day.

328301 Liewe, replying to Liewe, 20, #232 of 1551 🔗

Wish this blog had an idiot section for us to post the silliest stories of the day:

From an Instagram post of a celebrity “health influencer” who has Covid and young children:

“Loving them through a window has been excruciating. Every time they hurt themselves and my immediate reaction has been to get up and go to them then I realize I can’t leave the room.
And the days they’ve stood outside begging me to touch, kiss and hold them because they don’t understand. Honestly it’s been one of the hardest things I’ve experienced as a parent.

I’m doing well otherwise, I’m still struggling with my chest – mostly at night, but grateful when have time outside in the fresh air – the small things I usually take for granted.”

I kid you not

328351 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Liewe, 8, #233 of 1551 🔗

Feculent tosser.

328389 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 3, #234 of 1551 🔗

Yes, struggling with his dick more like.

328377 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Liewe, 4, #235 of 1551 🔗

And no doubt ”time outside in the fresh air” will involve being muzzled up to the eyeballs.

328663 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Liewe, 2, #236 of 1551 🔗

I would welcome a section for stories like this. Maybe it can be done via a forum?

I, and a lot of other readers, like to read these stories.

328984 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Liewe, 4, #237 of 1551 🔗

Utterly moronic and cringeworthy. And you just know they’ll be called a ‘hero’ for ‘sacrificing’ themselves/their daily life, and, worst of all, they’ll be absolutely convinced they’re doing a ‘noble thing’ and will be lapping up and loving the attention.

It is not a coincidence that all the narcissists are fully on board the Covid Bandwagon.

328303 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #238 of 1551 🔗

A big question is this? Why do we have so many C-19 in hospitals? Not those needing treatment for the C-19 disease but all the others? This is a viral disease where the replication of virus stops in almost all patients after 7-10 days. After that they are not infectious. Repeated PCRs in hospital patients would quickly confirm this pattern of less virus very quickly (I assume many admitted have been ill for some time already having already reduced viral load in their trajectory)
NHS has now realized using LFT instead of PCR for staff to stop the disastrous staff shortages of healthy staff isolating. Why can’t a combination of LFT/Repeated PCRs in hospital patients determine the real cases and stop meaningless stamping C-19 on non-infectious patients? Perhaps most of these non infectious C-19 patients could be sent to the Nightingale hospitals not needing C-19 care but general care and free up beds in the general hospitals?

328344 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 10, #239 of 1551 🔗

Because it would expose the reality of the situation and we can’t have that. Also, what I presume is an open secret in London, is Excel has been leased out for other business use.

328356 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to swedenborg, 7, #240 of 1551 🔗

Because then there would be no Covid Catastrophe to justify spending your grandchildrens money on spurious vaccines.

328376 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to swedenborg, 6, #241 of 1551 🔗

They’ll say there aren’t enough personnel to staff them. (Conveniently ignoring the fact that thousands of retired medics said that, having volunteered, they weren’t used.)

328506 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Banjones, 3, #242 of 1551 🔗

See today main page, oodles of paperwork required from volunteers including a CRB/VBA check for every potential employer which can take months and £120 or so per request.

328692 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 2, #243 of 1551 🔗

Fire training?
As long as they know where the nearest fire exit is in the building that should be sufficient!

328391 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to swedenborg, 8, #244 of 1551 🔗

An elderly lady I know of is in hospital for other reasons. She had received 2 negative tests soon before admission (required for other unrelated purposes), then another negative test on admission. Then, days later, a positive test in the hospital. She was then moved from the green zone to the red zone but they now want to discharge her as the reason for admittance has been brought under control.
I can’t begin to even unpick this he logic in all of that. It’s cruel to move her to the red zone when they clearly don’t believe she is ill with Covid. If she was she’d definitely need hospital care with all of her other conditions and at her age.

328516 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to WasSteph, 6, #245 of 1551 🔗

I reported just before Xmas of a lady I know well whose elderly mother had caught Covid in hospital but recovered and was given a release date into the daughter’s care.
The evening before she was tested positive + again and so spent Xmas isolating in hospital for no good reason.
Little wonder the NHS claim to be ‘overwhelmed’.

328537 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 7, #246 of 1551 🔗

They don’t want it to end. They could have ended it many months ago.

328684 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to swedenborg, 6, #247 of 1551 🔗

I guess the system of an elderly person, especially cooped up in hospital and unlikely to be physically very active, will not flush out the dead virus particles, which the PCR test than picks up.
The article from the doctor stated about 150 out of 194 covid related patients basically being “bed blockers” for various reasons.
It is a disgrace for society that we cannot serve these people better. he mentioned some people do not want to go home as they live alone and have no or little support. Community hospitals would be a good idea.
My friend was in a ward located in a care home after he was too healthy to be in hospital but not well enough to go home. The ward is run by NHS, and sadly very isolated from the care home. He was not allowed to take part in care home organised activities in the residents lounge. The lounge in the ward was empty of people and full of stored equipment. No activities offered. Most other patients which I saw were very elderly and stayed in their rooms. Once a day my friend had some physio, which was mainly walking up and down the corridor. Reha my arse.
Coming from Germany and their excellent system of sending patients to residential rehabilitation after stroke, heart attack, hip replacements etc or even regular periods for chronic illness sufferers to prevent above mentioned is expensive but obviously does it’s job.

328719 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to swedenborg, 3, #248 of 1551 🔗

It’s the share portfolios of government and Sage that matter. That’s all.

328304 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 20, #249 of 1551 🔗

I am hoping that the plan is to get the vaccine rolled out to the over 65s, and during that period keep up the uncertainty about whether it’s effective or stops transmission.

Then soon after I am hoping for a big ‘discovery’ that asymptomatic spread does not actually exist and given the “the vaccine provides stellar protection”, all restrictions INCLUDING MASKS are stopped.

Since the vulnerable and elderly are protected, and asymptomatic cannot spread it, life can return to normal. And the governments can focus on unleashing the punishment economically for “the difficult decisions made during coronavirus” (read: austerity).

328312 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Joseph, 10, #250 of 1551 🔗

I hope you are not expecting that everyone over 65 will be queing up for this vaccine?

328318 ▶▶▶ Joseph, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #251 of 1551 🔗

No but I am expecting the majority to take it (either by choice or due to peer pressure and NHS nagging/coercion).

I only stated Over 65s as that is one level in the ‘Rollout schedule’ and I think after this point, the vaccination programme might be scaled back/made more optional due to as I said before the “discovery” you can’t transmit virus without symptoms + having jabbed those most vulnerable to it.

I think the govts will be looking to reverse the situation before people wise up further to everything.

328574 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Joseph, 13, #252 of 1551 🔗

I think you are wrong. There are many pensioners, myself and husband included, who would have to be dragged screaming from our homes before submitting to vaccination with an untested poison.

328329 ▶▶ iane, replying to Joseph, 1, #253 of 1551 🔗

Well, a man can dream.

328373 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Joseph, 2, #254 of 1551 🔗

Speaking of muzzles, I see this one is still growing suspiciously slowly:

329318 ▶▶ chris c, replying to Joseph, 1, #255 of 1551 🔗

Nice dream.

But since Van Tam Michie et al. have stated face nappies social distancing and lockdowns will continue even after the vaccine is rolled out I see absolutely no reason for optimism.

This is it, forever, the boot stamping on the human face

328307 dommo, replying to dommo, 49, #256 of 1551 🔗

Why is 99% of the population being told they must sacrifice their jobs, their businesses and their liberties in the name of making less than 1% of the population feel safer? Why not ask the 0.26% of the people under threat from the virus to volunteer to stay home so that the rest of us can get on with normal life? Why are we doing the opposite of what makes the most sense?


328335 ▶▶ Janette, replying to dommo, 4, #257 of 1551 🔗


328355 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to dommo, 10, #258 of 1551 🔗

Because the advisors are collectivists as are the politicians. Not one of those SAGE advisors is a libertarian or a right-leaning conservative. Right-leaning being what it actually means – more individualism and less government.

We saw this with the climate mob of which I’m sure there is overlap here. Watermelons the lot of them.

328370 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to mhcp, 10, #259 of 1551 🔗

Desmond Swayne made a good speech in Parliament yesterday(?) and spoke of the government’s lack of measured advice from sources other than the risibly-named SAGE(with the redundant ‘E’).

328447 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mhcp, 13, #260 of 1551 🔗

That’s pretty much it. But it’s vital to remember that, as you point out, it’s not just SAGE who fall into that category (“collectivists”, “not libertarian or right-leaning conservative”) – you can apply that to the vast majority of our social and political elites in almost every area, including of course and most importantly the “Conservative” Party hierarchy currently in government.

Old lefty types here still in denial get upset when it is pointed out, but the stark truth is that the coronapanic is the absolute definitional opposite of either libertarianism or conservatism. It is a radical experiment in state-led, coercive control for (supposedly) collectivist “greater good” goals.

It was possible for such people still, just about, to get away with denying this truth about the “Conservative” Party hierarchy prior to this year, because the people in question are professional liars pretending to be “conservative” in order to secure votes under false pretences, and protected by an entire establishment devoted to pretending that political debate must be within the leftist terms defined by the limited spread from Corbyn to Johnson. It took real insight and rather unusual perspectives to recognise what has happened to this country’s politics over the past century.

But the coronapanic has stripped way much of the pretence.

328382 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to dommo, 9, #261 of 1551 🔗

Lockdowns making things worse by; increasing relative mobility of vulnerable, slowing development of herd immunity, slowing spread of less dangerous variants.

328422 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #262 of 1551 🔗

If there were a pndemic, then yes those points would makes sense.

But is there?

There is no there, there.

There.Is. No. Pandemic.

328620 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to rockoman, 2, #263 of 1551 🔗

Indeed but lockdowns still make things worse, the exact opposite of the claims of the ‘bleeding obvious’ school.

328496 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 6, #264 of 1551 🔗

They have consistently done everything possible to inhibit herd immunity.

329670 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #265 of 1551 🔗

Here is a comment from an American about lockdowns:

PDouglas 4 days ago
If there were really an emergency these governors wouldn’t be able to schedule their shutdowns. Scheduling the destruction of a state’s economy and people’s lives happens because it’s a plan, not an emergency response.

328511 ▶▶ jos, replying to dommo, 7, #266 of 1551 🔗

It’s got absolutely nothing to do with protecting the elderly and everything to do with subjugating the masses so none of it makes sense unless you see it from that perspective

328577 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to dommo, 11, #267 of 1551 🔗

Stay at home OR take their chances. I am over 65 and have cancer but will NOT fall for this total hoax. I’ve had pneumonia in the past (aged 50) and know it is a fact of life and will always be a fact of life. Risk free life is not worth living.

328310 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 46, #268 of 1551 🔗

I read that the French Police are to deploy 100,000 officers to deal with covid breaches on New Years Eve

Blimey, the last time they were this enthusiastic they were deporting the Jews to the gas chambers

328317 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cecil B, 15, #269 of 1551 🔗

It is global fascism brought in under the pretext of a global health emergency.

328328 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Cecil B, 11, #270 of 1551 🔗

When the woman at our local boulangerie wished me « bon réveillon » this morning, I said « big party tonight – 300 people coming from all over at 9pm ». Fortunately she knows me, but but there were a few raised eyebrows in the masked queue…

328368 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, 15, #271 of 1551 🔗

Remember how pleased we were when Priti P said that they were going to put thousands more police officers on the streets? We didn’t know then what they’d be used for – in our ignorance we imagined it would be to protect us!!! That was a year ago – did ‘they’ know something even then?

328379 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Banjones, 5, #272 of 1551 🔗

A couple of anonymous reports of out of town raves at the appropriate time should do the trick.

328418 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Banjones, 3, #273 of 1551 🔗

That is a very good point.



329671 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Banjones, #274 of 1551 🔗

Matt Hancock was making plans as early as February, to my knowledge. Could have been earlier than that.

328311 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #275 of 1551 🔗

The Conservative councillor for Halesowen South has been expelled from the Conservative group the council (Birmingham City??) after calling for people to break the rules. Details here : https://www.facebook.com/RayBurstonHalesowenSouth

328314 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #276 of 1551 🔗

Dudley Council.

328316 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #277 of 1551 🔗

Cllr Burston’s bizarre tirade is irresponsible and an insult to key workers who have worked so hard through the pandemic” OH JUST FUCK OFF

328503 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #278 of 1551 🔗

Those tiktok routines are exhausting

328964 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Crystal Decanter, #279 of 1551 🔗

Yes, the fatties have to come in specially from isolating.

328323 ▶▶ TC, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #280 of 1551 🔗

The man has principles which are things not normally found in modern politicians of any stripe.
We will not see many similar stands.

328326 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TC, 1, #281 of 1551 🔗

Further to my discussions with TJN about Cromwell, I had in mind this morning his speech: “In the name of God go …” Just shows, times change, but people, essentially do not. Well worth a read

328358 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 5, #282 of 1551 🔗

Cromwell is such a complex question. In his History of the English Speaking Peoples Churchill is perplexed and even confused in defining him. He roundly condemns him for the atrocities in Ireland, but concludes in his assessment of his character:

Amid the ruins of every institution, social and political, which had hitherto guided the Island life he [ Cromwell ] towered up, gigantic, glowing, indispensable, the sole agency by which the time could be regained for healing and regrowth.

‘… the ruins of every institution, social and political … time … for healing and regrowth’: these words seem so apt today, on the cusp of 2021. We need a sort of Cromwell as described here in Churchill’s words. For the life of me though I can’t spot who it might be.

328467 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 2, #283 of 1551 🔗

Thanks TJN. The visceral fury that Cromwell’s speech conveyed sums up everything I feel right now. But, as you say, who is the towering figure around whom we can coalesce now … there seems to be no-one.

328797 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 2, #284 of 1551 🔗

History has so many lessons in all this. But the Great British Public are as wilfully ignorant of history as they are of science.

329672 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kh1485, #285 of 1551 🔗

All of you combined would make a towering figure.

328362 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 4, #286 of 1551 🔗

Preceded by ‘I say this is no Parliament. . .’
Certainly the case today.

328386 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to karenovirus, 3, #287 of 1551 🔗

And to the Senedd, a nest of vipers in Cardiff Bay.

328486 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #288 of 1551 🔗

Great man!!

328315 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 69, #289 of 1551 🔗

I won’t say ‘Happy New Year’ because, realist that I am, I know there is a battle of almighty proportions ahead. However, one positive I will take from this bloody awful year is the support, camaraderie and humour of all the contributors to this site. I am indebted to Toby et al for creating it, in order that those of us of similar minds can gather. Without it, well, I don’t know what would have happened. I have, through this site, met fellow sceptics in person, people who ordinarily I would not have met, so a big thank you to you all. And E, if you are reading this, I hope you manage to get back to the UK … there’ll be a latte and scone waiting for you!

328324 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 27, #290 of 1551 🔗

You, kh, deserve special good wishes for the year to come. You have to deal with this day in, day out in your working life – the things that for the most part merely irritate and madden me cut to the heart of your business, and the division of the population into two species – the Sane Humans and the Midwich Cuckoos – is right there in front of your nose all the time, whereas I only have to wrestle with it in my mind’s eye and my sleepless nights. I may be thousands of miles away but my heart is with people like you who still belong to and fight for the country I remember. Let’s not let it die. Best of luck and all success to you.

329334 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #291 of 1551 🔗


328332 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to kh1485, 6, #292 of 1551 🔗

I know what you mean but nonetheless I will wish everyone a Happy New Year;
Hope humbly then; with trembling pinions soar;
Wait the great teacher Death; and God adore!
What future bliss, he gives not thee to know,
But gives that hope to be thy blessing now.
Hope springs eternal in the human breast:
Man never is, but always to be blest:

As well as hope there is of course always cynicism; there are elections planned for 6th May, I suspect we will see some change before then so that Boris can be portrayed as a latter day Churchill, delivering us from the evil Covid and getting Brexit done and many will be taken in and vote for him.

328406 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 11, #293 of 1551 🔗

To you, kh, I send my best wishes in return. You are one of a small number whose daily battles this year have helped me keep a sense of perspective on my own life and its frustrations, and for that I am indebted to you. We will all battle on in our own ways in the coming year, hoping to shape the world, however slightly, in the direction we know is right and would wish for our children and grandchildren. (Off now for a walk in the snow with some of them.)  All power to your chalkboard in 2021!

328438 ▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 6, #294 of 1551 🔗

Best wishes for you KH, you have been an inspiration for me.

328330 Burlington, replying to Burlington, 15, #295 of 1551 🔗

I am getting the impression that the so called “mutant variation” of the virus is mainly responsible for the”surge in cases. What puzzles me is how do they manage to differentiate between the original version and the variant? What testing method is being used to support this?
If the variant has become dominant what has happened to the original?


328334 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to Burlington, 1, #296 of 1551 🔗

I posted a similar question below and somewhere else where it has been suggested that they take 10% of all positives for further analysis

328340 ▶▶ V, replying to Burlington, 3, #297 of 1551 🔗

Convenient-19, now even more CONvenient!

328352 ▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to Burlington, 5, #298 of 1551 🔗

Interesting. I would not completely rule out the ‘new varient’ being just some kind of flu coupled with manipulation of case numbers, although maybe I’m getting carried away with my suspicions.

The hospital data will, in time, help to clarify. Contrary to government propoganda, looking at the dashboard and considering normal hospital cases,why are there not more? Is the so called new varient’ milder?

328394 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to FrankiiB, 9, #299 of 1551 🔗

I suppose its the same old story, if the government says its true it must be true. They haven’t bothered to publish any real data. Most of what they have published seems to have been scribbled on the back of Ferguson’s condom packet.

329340 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Burlington, #300 of 1551 🔗


328714 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to FrankiiB, 2, #301 of 1551 🔗

The rate of transmission has already been decreased from 70% to 54% a week or so later, and it was suggested it is causing milder symptoms, if any.

Yesterday someone suggested it does not have the spike protein, which I understand means it cannot invade our cells, cannot duplicate and dies quicker in our body.

328427 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Burlington, 4, #302 of 1551 🔗

They just pick one of the other Corona colds.
There are 4 that they know of but most “novel” coronaviruses slip under the radar every year
Just get chalked up to “mystery virus”
Until now

328336 alw, 9, #303 of 1551 🔗

“Georgia Gould, chair of London Councils, said it was “deeply irresponsible” of ministers to publish a list of areas where primaries should close with “no conversation” with councils or education leaders.
She questioned how councils would be able to explain to parents that their children can go to school in Camden but not in Westminster or Barnet.”

Georgia Gould leader of Camden Council, daughter of the late Bryan Gould who was the great friend of Tony Blair. Tells you all need to know.

This is just more of the scam. For example if you live in Camden and you have your schooling in Westminster you cannot go to school but if you live in Westminster and your schooling is in Camden you can continue to go to school. Another well thought through scheme not!

Universities tested their students independently using two different tests and found genuine infection almost negligible, so the government now want to test secondary school pupils and lockdown younger years all of whom we now are not very susceptible to the virus and because of a mutation which is much weaker to save 0.05% of the population.

328338 Leaky, 8, #304 of 1551 🔗

A great summary of the madness surrounding us, posted by Dr. Roger Koops at the American Institute for Economic Research . His opening paragraph says it all:

2020 has been a year of disguises. Some examples include computer models/modelers disguised as “science/scientists,” Tyrants/Dictators/Totalitarians disguised as “elected officials,” propaganda machines disguised as “news sources,” brainwashing disguised as “information,” censorship disguised as “public health safeguard,” panic and fear disguised as “social responsibility.”

328341 FrankiiB, 6, #305 of 1551 🔗

South Wales “surge” dying out and due to the Welsh lockdown, not new variant

Drawing together recent evidence, it can be said that the December “surge” in South Wales cases pretty much equalled that in Kent. But, according to the analysis published here earlier this week and on other sites, even the BBC, there are few new variant cases in Wales.

The South Wales “surge” (I put in inverted commas as I don’t think of it like that) followed a stricter lockdown than England in the autumn. Compare totals (healthcare, deaths and of you must “cases”) for South Wales Vs Bristol and Somerset area for the autumn to the end of the year as a whole. Looks like the Welsh lockdown was a complete failure.

We should shout about the complete failure of the stricter lockdown in Wales and the data suggests their approach from start to finish has utterly failed.

328343 iane, replying to iane, 2, #306 of 1551 🔗

Yes – but the sad truth is that we have achieved absolutely zero in reversing the new health fascism.

328387 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to iane, 11, #307 of 1551 🔗

I think there is more skepticism around than there used to be, and perhaps sites like this have played a part in that, but it is going to take more to make a real difference.

328918 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Waldorf, #308 of 1551 🔗

An interesting question is, where will the government go with this if there is a significant minority of vaccine refusers?

328345 alw, replying to alw, 13, #309 of 1551 🔗

From Daily Mail;

”Having the vaccine doesn’t mean vulnerable pensioners can act with ‘wild abandon and go off to the bingo halls’ says Deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam

  • Was whether those who’ve had vaccine doses would still have to follow rules
  • Said was still unknown whether jabs stopped people passing disease to others
  • The official told reporters that the ‘magic phrase’ was ‘transmission’
  • Said scientists would know within couple of months how effective vaccines are”

Jonathan van Tam clearly doesn’t realise most pensioners still have a brain, don’t go out and play bingo and are refusing the vaccine which doesn’t guarantee anything.

328360 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to alw, 6, #310 of 1551 🔗

At every opportunity they’re still peddling the myth that this is passed on by asymptomatic people. And saying that’s the danger – as if, once set free, we would rush up to complete strangers, cough in their faces and embrace them warmly with French kisses.

328405 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to alw, 8, #311 of 1551 🔗

Are there any bingo halls for granny to return to? What about cinemas, theatres, rugby and football stadia etc.

328485 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 5, #312 of 1551 🔗

Said was still unknown whether jabs stopped people passing disease to others

Why on this earth would you have this jab if it does not prevent people from getting it?

328523 ▶▶▶ Chloe_, replying to Victoria, 5, #313 of 1551 🔗

Exactly. I tried to explain this to a friend but all I got was a blank uncomprehending stare. She’s 32, I told her that her chances of getting seriously ill from covid were less than the risks from the vaccine, and that it doesn’t stop you catching it or spreading it, it just reduces symptoms – so why would anyone who isn’t in the vulnerable category need it? Sadly she had the same thousand yard stare as the rest of the brainwashed and parroted that she’s getting it anyway. I despair!

328517 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to alw, 2, #314 of 1551 🔗

They just make it up as they go along don’t they. JVT, people can go out and do what they want. They assess their own risk and decide whether they want to live life or to isolate themselves.

329967 ▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to alw, #315 of 1551 🔗

All fellow pensioners of my acquaintance, with only 2 exceptions, are, very depressingly, embracing the vaccine with the religious zeal of a novice taking vows and I get the same reaction as Chloe when trying to explain it will not stop transmission of the virus.

328347 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 13, #316 of 1551 🔗

Rival daily dashboard

I would like to see a rival daily dashboard, to counter the government statistics.

It would include:
Respiratory disease deaths and healthcare cases (including covid’ and flu) Those cases Vs average year
Estimated collateral deaths from lockdown per day from suicide dementia etc
Estimated cost per day (worked out from the estimated £900 billion it will end up as)
Cost per person for each tax payer as a bill, which will be something like £20 000 EACH

Admittedly there would be a lot of estimates and some data would only be updated monthly but it could then be estimated as daily and could be used to counteract more sharply the lockdown panic propoganda

328716 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to FrankiiB, 3, #317 of 1551 🔗

This is a good idea. In fact it is the responsibility of government to present information in a responsible way, and in context, but you’d need a responsible government to do that rather than the criminal gang we have in charge.

I have always believed that the failure to provide the figures for deaths from all respiratory diseases, not just covid, was deliberately designed to frighten people. Boy did that work!

329350 ▶▶ chris c, replying to FrankiiB, #318 of 1551 🔗


328350 Major Bonkers, replying to Major Bonkers, 13, #319 of 1551 🔗

This meme arrived today:

328383 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Major Bonkers, 2, #320 of 1551 🔗

It’s a meme virus

328353 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 1, #321 of 1551 🔗

This petition has hardly grown at all. I wonder why….


328361 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Banjones, 1, #322 of 1551 🔗

I signed it way back when. I know because I just tried and received a notice of duplicate signature.

328366 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #323 of 1551 🔗

Same here

328363 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 29, #324 of 1551 🔗

Even from the point of view of the non-sceptic, this vaccine must have the worst sales pitch of all time. We have already been told it will make no difference as far as wearing masks and social distancing is concerned. And then there are currently at least two vaccines. And also there are two variants of the deadly end-of-times plague so far and neither vaccine could have taken account of them. So why on earth would anyone want this vax?

328364 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to George Mc, 6, #325 of 1551 🔗

Exactly. I’ve even heard a few non sceptics say the same.

328381 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to George Mc, 6, #326 of 1551 🔗

Perhaps that is the point. “You will take this vaccine, whether it helps or not, even if it kills you. Because we say so!”

328412 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to George Mc, 8, #327 of 1551 🔗

Perhaps the vaccines are misdirection.

They have to make a show of trying to find a vaccine, because that’s what many expect.

The point of this whole exercise is perhaps to establish lockdown and the social changes.

Maybe the vaccines aren’t meant to ‘succeed’, but merely to function as a sponge to absorb public hope for a while longer?.

328461 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to George Mc, 1, #328 of 1551 🔗

There’s also this reason. Nothing has ever been made of the very useful prophylactics and theraputics. I wonder why…..



328610 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to George Mc, #329 of 1551 🔗

There are tens of thousands of variants.

328547 ▶▶ Julian, replying to arfurmo, 6, #331 of 1551 🔗

Simple – the Chinese govt decided it was over because they are not stupid

328367 Waldorf, 3, #332 of 1551 🔗

So difficult to follow their own rules… A Canadian example.

328369 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #333 of 1551 🔗


The year people were told that if they bought an electric toaster it would lead to the death of thousands of people

……. and they believed it!!

328399 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 7, #334 of 1551 🔗

The year I spent looking at graphs

328962 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PoshPanic, #335 of 1551 🔗

The Year of Living Safely

328374 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #336 of 1551 🔗

Are we in a race for end of year awards for scaring the shit out of people? If so, this one’s a strong contender..


And his child snatcher like photo

328380 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #337 of 1551 🔗

He looks like straight out of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

Also don’t forget Piers Morgan and the rest of the MSM

328404 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #338 of 1551 🔗

He should get a special achievement award, for outstanding contributions to fear, hysteria and panic

328390 ▶▶ dhid, replying to PoshPanic, 14, #339 of 1551 🔗

The more of these shitbags I see the less I ever want to have to do with our “wonderful” bloody NHS!

328419 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to dhid, 1, #340 of 1551 🔗

Same. You have to wonder why they are encouraged to run to the press with such announcements. Nobody likes being scolded. It has the opposite effect.

328393 ▶▶ TJN, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #341 of 1551 🔗

These people will do and say anything to get their names in the papers and media. Their ‘opinions’ are worthless.

329673 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to TJN, #342 of 1551 🔗


328650 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to arfurmo, 2, #344 of 1551 🔗

The top-rated comments on the article are encouraging – all saying ‘but everyone knows masks don’t work’.

328960 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PoshPanic, #345 of 1551 🔗

I remember how with one jab
Of my needle in the Punjab
How I cleared up beriberi
And the dreaded dysentery.

328385 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #346 of 1551 🔗

I CBA to read the content but the title suggests the penny might be dropping…

The Guardian: The Covid turning point: when did the pandemic become unstoppable?.

329675 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #347 of 1551 🔗

Spiro Skouras was banned from Twitter. Youtube is next. BitChute is his backup.

328396 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 10, #348 of 1551 🔗

An encouraging essay from Brandon Smith. He thinks that things aren’t going quite as waslanned:

All the mutation narrative does is further expose what the true agenda is – What the elites want is never-ending lockdowns. There is no program to save lives or flatten the curve. The entire health argument is utter nonsense. Nothing that has been done so far supports the notion that public health is the priority. Instead, what we are seeing is a mad dash towards totalitarianism using Covid as the excuse, and the effort is failing”


328476 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rockoman, #349 of 1551 🔗

Is it failing ? Tonight NYE might be a key test. Xmas is usually celebrated indoors with family, not so New Years Eve.

328403 quodcumque, replying to quodcumque, 21, #350 of 1551 🔗

From the BBC a short time ago, more of the usual propaganda that explains in part why everyone is still so scared. Professor Montgomery is angry that people are “laying the blame on the virus” rather than on the anti-maskers:

An intensive care doctor has also urged people not to gather and said those who do not wear masks have “blood on their hands”.

Prof Hugh Montgomery, professor of intensive care medicine at University College London, said: “It is making me actually very angry now that people are laying the blame on the virus, and it is not the virus, it is people, people are not washing their hands, they are not wearing their masks.”

There’s no need to repeat all that’s wrong with this, which will be obvious to anyone who reads this site. But it does seem a particularly stupid and angry example from the genre.

328423 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to quodcumque, 11, #351 of 1551 🔗

I honestly believe that if the government put the army on the streets, with a policy of shooting to kill anyone failing to comply, that a significant proportion of the population would applaud it. (Notwithstanding that the vast majority have themselves failed to comply in some way but of course the problem is always “Covidiots” not themselves, or the stupidity of the whole lockdown farce!)

328433 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #352 of 1551 🔗

Yes, I never cease to be amazed by how far people want to go, while not entirely complying themselves. T hose early reminders from the likes of Chris Whitty that the virus is very unlikely to kill, that it kills the very elderly, that it is typically taking months, rather than years, off someone’s life all seem to have been replaced with much more sensational language.

328469 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to quodcumque, 2, #353 of 1551 🔗

Yes – those words of Wittery should be widely shared. Back in May he was wittering a very different tune.


328943 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to quodcumque, #354 of 1551 🔗

The immediate meeja response was “You bastard, you don’t care about granny!” Copyright one of the two Covid hypocrites currently “resting”. Similar response to Vallance’s sensible comments on herd immunity (before there was better evidence about T-cell immunity from existing coronaviruses showing his estimate was a bit high).

328441 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to quodcumque, 8, #355 of 1551 🔗

This man is also a climate change activist with an agenda not just some concerned doctor. Video from 2015 just so you know


328470 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to quodcumque, 2, #356 of 1551 🔗

Any relation to the German Montgomery advocating medico-facist measures in yesterday’s LS ?
Can’t recall if he came up above or below the line.

328481 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to quodcumque, 2, #357 of 1551 🔗

Wonder if he also discriminates against other races and gay people

328951 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Victoria, #358 of 1551 🔗

As a thermageddonist other races certainly as long as they are in far off lands of which we know little. I’m sure he’s scrupulously woke about pandering in UK.

328502 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to quodcumque, 8, #359 of 1551 🔗

He doesn’t live in the real world does he. Hasn’t he noticed the extraordinarily high levels of compliance in mask wearing and hand sanitising. I am sick and tired of people like him blaming the citizens of the UK. The real issue is that the economy has been destroyed with mass unemployment looming because of the grossly inefficient, hugely expensive, NHS which allegedly needs protection so we need to suffer an economic collapse, a severely blighted future for our young people and mass unemployment just to save a totally failing, over managed and extremely poorly managed health service. How dare he presume to make these comments.

We are being told repeatedly that all these measures are being taken because the virus is ‘out of control’ and, in order to keep them, Wancock had to tell a whopping big lie in the HoC about a new variant which transmitted faster, which statement was then roundly destroyed by WHO who said it wasn’t new, they had been tracking it since September and there was no evidence that it transmitted any faster or even created a high risk for children. Having that lie trashed the next day he invented a virus from South Africa. Lie, on lie on lie. You are right, Professor Montgomery should be reported to the GMC for making falsified claims designed to scapegoat certain sectors of the population and designed to cause fear, distress and alarm. In fact, I might make the complaint myself.

328409 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 5, #360 of 1551 🔗

Shout-out to David Silke, thanks so much for the link you posted yesterday evening. Apologies, I tend to log off the internet in the evening so didn’t see it but was sent it by a LS friend – thanks J.

328737 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 2, #361 of 1551 🔗

Hope it will be any use to you, even if it offers some fellowship.

328416 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #362 of 1551 🔗

I posted this originally in the wee hours so its’ worth repeating – the Pfizer vaccine was designed in just a few hours. https://greatgameindia.com/covid-19-vaccine-ugur-sahin/

329676 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Londo Mollari, #363 of 1551 🔗

At a Bartending school.

328417 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 29, #364 of 1551 🔗

So another lockdown, it’s all so predictable.
Will I have work next week? Who knows. At least I’ve had a bit of a run at life but what have the youth of today got to look forward to? College and school closed so you can’t get educated, many jobs like cafe and bar work stopped. It’s almost as if the govt is forcing dependency on them.
I despise all those who support this.

328446 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #365 of 1551 🔗

Me too. The current supposed pressure on the NHS was widely predicted for months now, why wasn’t it better prepared?! Why is nobody in the media clamouring for Hancocks resignation?

328462 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #366 of 1551 🔗

I spoke with a young Weatherspoons barman earlier this week who said he hoped to get furloughed again as the previous time he had learned all kind of things like how to cook.
The conversation did not last long.

328420 Old Bill, 8, #367 of 1551 🔗

Obviously, in a Covid world, the concept of elections as we have known them in the past, with polling stations, polling booths etc. would be far too dangerous to even consider. Accordingly, the government has decided that all future elections will be done courtesy of the BBC.

Prior to the vote there will be a round robin discussion with members of the 4 main parties given chance to present their case to the nation followed by a 30 second ‘Vote Now’ segment where all electors will be asked to press one of the 4 coloured buttons on their remote control to indicate their preference. Results will be available instantly, no more waiting up all night!

The party slogans for the next election have already been chosen and are presented here for your perusal:

‘Suck up the lie, comply or die’ – Press Blue

‘Down on one knee? Vote for me’ – Press Red

‘Give us power and we will take away your power’ – Press Green

‘Still undecided? – So are we’ – Press yellow

In order that the whole electorate will be able to vote, the TV licence fee will be re -designated ‘The Poll Tax’ and will of course be compulsory.

Hoping your new year will be very happy,
Although its more likely to keep being crappy.

Old Bill.

328425 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #368 of 1551 🔗

Some great stuff from Dr Malcolm Kendrick: ‘What is left to say’ (reference above).

Particularly about Northern Ireland, where no remarkable effects from this ‘global pandemic’ appear to have been discernible at all.

Difficult to find out much about what has been so successful in Northern Ireland, so that others may profit from the lessons learned, because:

‘…. medical staff have been told “if they dare say what is happening on the ground, that they’ll lose their jobs, they’ll be disciplined”.

But one thing we do know is that very little was going on at all:

‘The doctor…..recently performed a shift at a dedicated coronavirus ward in a large hospital and said that in a four-hour timeframe there were three doctors on duty and a dozen other medical staff.

‘…. the ward saw just three patients during this time – and none of them turned out to have Covid-19. The rest of the hospital has been “pretty much closed down” except for the Covid ward and emergency care, they said.

There was so little to do that when a patient did eventually come in there was a “flurry of excitement” and all 15 staff gathered round.

‘The doctor noted the “very highly-paid” status of the professionals who were manning the coronavirus ward, and said that such quiet levels of patient attendance has “been going on for weeks”

“People need to understand this lockdown is not without very, very serious effects for people’s health and wellbeing – quite apart from the economic effects.

“People are so scared, and they’re not getting the help they need.

“I get it – that the politicians here, in the middle of the whole hysteria, said: ‘We had better lock down, this is going to be serious, we are not going to be able to cope’.

“But the evidence now is absolutely clear: the lockdown is doing at least as much harm as good.’

“We need to start getting people back and getting people cared for and getting the damage this has done, undone.”


Unfortunately things do not look too good, this morning, for 2021 and beyond:

Hopefully, in time, we will learn something. Which is that we should not, ever, run about panicking, following the madly waved banners… ever again. However, I suspect that we will. This pandemic is going to be a model for all mass panicking stupidity in the future. Because to do otherwise, would be to admit that we made a pig’s ear of it this time. Far too many powerful reputations at stake to allow that.’


We may be free of Europe, but we are also bereft of the kind of leadership that made this country a beacon of freedom and enlightenment to so much of the broader world beyond.

328429 ▶▶ jos, replying to Tim Bidie, #369 of 1551 🔗

This link is from April or am I misreading this?

328434 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to jos, 1, #370 of 1551 🔗

Correct. Dr Kendrick’s article is about the whole of 2020. I am trying to work out, in a not particularly efficient manner, why Northern Ireland 2020 mortality has been so unremarkable. Grateful for any help?

328468 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #371 of 1551 🔗

Hard to say. There are no local analysts that are looking into it from a sceptical point of view. It’s pathetic really.

Deaths with a + PCR are massively weighted to the over 70s. Average life expectancy here is 78. So I think that it is a case of just business as usual with the demographic that are passing away this year.

3 people under 40 have died on the offfical dashboard

Worth going through that as you might see something which provides some light.

I would say that living in an area in NI of around 200,000 we were told to expect 4,000 deaths in 2020 from CV-19. This was the headline number which forced many businesses to close before St Patrick’s day in March, ahead of the official lockdown. We’ve had around 90, 95% of whom are over 65 and around 60% over 80. One of those who was warning this on social media at the time still claims it has been 3910 lives saved due to his early warnings. I’ve been removed from both his groups for pointing out how ridiculous that is.

328505 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #372 of 1551 🔗

I’ll also add the story of the oy under 20 to have died. Died of heart failure and suffering from a chronic illness. He also tested negative on entry to hospital and his family only found out it was a Covid death later. They had always seen it as his illness.


328672 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #373 of 1551 🔗

Very interesting. Many thanks.

328453 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jos, 2, #374 of 1551 🔗

It is. Northern Ireland had a relatively mild wave then. Catching up this winter but no excess mortality. I will say that the Euromomo chart differs slightly from some other stats locally which do show a slight increase over 5 year averages but the Euromomo chart is z score, which may be a reason why

328457 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #375 of 1551 🔗

Very well put Tim, thank you.

328477 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #376 of 1551 🔗

Dr Kendrick is also part of the UK Medical freedom Alliance team https://www.ukmedfreedom.org

328430 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 16, #377 of 1551 🔗

I don’t furnish the Telegraph with any of my hard-borrowed money any more, so I can’t read the articles and I’m feeling somewhat better as a result. I can’t even look at the headlines now they’ve closed themselves off almost entirely, but I sometimes do a quick screen capture before the fucking irritating “start your free trial to continue reading” popup appears. This afternoon I was interested to see a headline by Paul Nuki (is this a pseudonym for Neil Ferguson? He likes a bit of Nuki), with his idiot punchable smiling face beside the words “I’d long thought a pandemic likely, to the amusement of newsroom colleagues”. How happy he must be now to have his prophecy fulfilled. No wonder he invests so much in fulfilling it in the face of all the evidence. How he must wish it was properly deadly so he could feel even more important and prescient. How he must be enjoying his new lockdown, in his nice house, with working-class people beating a path to his door to keep him supplied with whatever his egomaniacal heart desires. I would finish this incoherent rant by saying, “What a TWAT” but that would be a grotesque insult to twats, which are nice.

No more screen captures for me. Nuki can sail off into his paywalled bubble and choke on his own self-glorification.

328440 ▶▶ mj, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #378 of 1551 🔗

if you go into your browser settings and the javascript options, if you disable javascript for telegraph the site opens ok

328445 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to mj, 10, #379 of 1551 🔗

On the one hand, thank you very much. On the other, I just read his article and it ends like this:

“A new normal will also emerge towards the middle of next year and much of it will be better than before.
In the end, we’ll tell our grandchildren how we bravely fought Covid-19 from our sofas, and hopefully reflect how much luckier we were than generations that came before us.”

Jesus Fucking Christ.

328449 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #380 of 1551 🔗

That’s sickness. Surely.

328454 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #381 of 1551 🔗

He has a point, the peasants who survived the black death were much better off economically than they had been previously and survivors of all classes got to inherit the stuff off their dead relatives.

328491 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 4, #382 of 1551 🔗

And they didn’t have to listen to Paul Bloody Nuki.

328634 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 4, #383 of 1551 🔗

That was because a 1/3 of the population died and the price of their labour grew.We are about to enter a period of economic turmoil that will make us look back on 2008 with fondness

328442 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #384 of 1551 🔗

NorthumbrianNomad – are you in the Blyth Valley constituency? If so, could you private message me?

328443 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to J4mes, 1, #385 of 1551 🔗

No, I’m in Berwick-upon-Tweed, sorry, and I’m not there at the moment.

328478 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #386 of 1551 🔗

That’s a shame.

Not sure how long you’ve been away from Berwick but I saw it soon after the first lockdown, and even back then, several small shops had shut permanently.

328579 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to J4mes, 1, #387 of 1551 🔗

Don’t ask where NN is – you might throw up! 🙂

328584 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to CGL, 2, #388 of 1551 🔗


328581 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to J4mes, #389 of 1551 🔗

I haven’t been back since December 2019. I was due to visit in April but I didn’t want to get trapped there, so I’ve kept putting it off. I’m sad but not surprised about the shops.

328444 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #390 of 1551 🔗

LOL, I do exactly the same with graph articles, mind you have to be quick from an Android but 3 reloads is enough to catch most of it. Read at leisure and bin.

Paul Nuki is not so clever and his mates must be stunningly stupid.
A Pandemic of one kind or another is always inevitable, always has been always will be.
Just like Naples will get destroyed by Vesuvius and San Francisco will get destroyed by earthquake, it’s just a question of when and how badly.

328436 Janette, replying to Janette, 5, #391 of 1551 🔗

There is an excellent interview with Dr Bhakti on The Truthseeker on the vaccine. A must watch.

328597 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Janette, 1, #392 of 1551 🔗

A hero from the start.

328437 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 15, #393 of 1551 🔗

Not feeling good at the moment. I’d been taking a Christmas break from Facebook but logged on last night check to see if anyone had posted some nice photos. But instead I find one of my “friends” has proudly posted that they had reported someone to the police for breaking lock down rules. I think it will cause them more problems than the person they have reported but still it is awful thing to for this “friend” to do.

I really only use Facebook to share photos with friends and family and really don’t want to get into arguments on there. But I now don’t want this person seeing my posts now I know they are a snitch.

Has anyone else had a similar problem? If I unfriend the person they will want to know why. I think you can block certain people from posts but I don’t know how effective this is. Maybe I should just quit Facebook for a while … another small pleasure ruined great…

328450 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan L, 7, #394 of 1551 🔗

Downtick his cute cat pictures.

328456 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Dan L, 5, #395 of 1551 🔗

Change his friendship status from friend to acquaintance then when you post on FB post only to friends unless you specifically want him to see something.

328472 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan L, 10, #396 of 1551 🔗

This ongoing saga (lockdowns, tiers, limitations) is the best thing that happened to a lot of people

It gave them a PURPOSE

  • to snitch on others
  • to be self righteous
  • to be self appointed lockdown/mask enforcers
  • to wear the badge of having had ‘Covid’
  • etc

However they shun their own families…….

328515 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 4, #397 of 1551 🔗

Yes – I often get the feeling when I see people strutting about virtuously, muzzled to the eyeballs outside, that this is probably the most exciting thing that’s ever happened to them in their sad, narrow little lives.

328567 ▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Banjones, 3, #398 of 1551 🔗

I came to this conclusion some time ago, as it seemed the only rationale to explain the apparent satisfaction they have in wesring a damned nappy, along with their perky strutt and head held high.

328575 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Banjones, 3, #399 of 1551 🔗

I’ve taken to looking at them and shaking my head with a pitying look on my face and mouthing “twat” at them.

328484 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Dan L, 7, #400 of 1551 🔗

Post old – verifiably old, if you need to prove it later – pictures of you with friends, captioned “Don’t tell the police! Happy New Year!” “Another get-together! Almost like normal!” “Great evening, no social distancing, no masks, no tiers!” etc The police will soon get fed up of turning up to your house and wasting their time.

328497 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Dan L, 18, #401 of 1551 🔗

Yes..I have a neighbour who proudly announced that he will have a lookout for anyone breaking the rule so he can report them.I then told him that if he tries it with me an accident might happen where his limbs might get broken. His wife apparently then reminded him that I’m a veteran with combat experience so he is now hiding from me..The little tucker,I will not take it anymore..

328501 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Dan L, 12, #402 of 1551 🔗

And tell your friend he is a cunt and a scumbag of a human being..He deserves more but that is at least you can do.

328518 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Dan L, 4, #403 of 1551 🔗

This is sinister – it’s proving so effective in dividing us. All of which was known perfectly well to the government when they ’employed’ the so-called experts in behavioural psychology on their SAG team. (I now leave off the redundant ‘E’ on purpose.)

328621 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Banjones, 2, #404 of 1551 🔗

I got the impression there was an element of petty revenge in it too. It reflects very badly on them but they probably don’t realise that because they feel like such a hero. I’ll sleep on it but l might explicitly unfriend them. I’ve been hoping to avoid too much flak but I’m been pushed into it. Maybe it’s time to embrace it.

328563 ▶▶ alw, replying to Dan L, 4, #405 of 1551 🔗

Why are you still using Facebook?

328633 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to alw, 1, #406 of 1551 🔗

I’m wondering that today. Some of my relatives and friends use it and like seeing photos I send and I did like seeing what they posted. But I’m pissed off with it these days. I get a knot in my stomach if I see any corona virus post so it is rapidly losing its charm.

329678 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to alw, #407 of 1551 🔗

Find ways to use Facebook to your advantage. I was thinking of pasting some of Facebook’s pronouncements about censoring. I wonder if they will ban me from linking to them?

328576 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Dan L, 1, #408 of 1551 🔗

Yes – I’ve come off it altogether now. I have just a couple of people on there who aren’t sheep, so there is no point being there and winding myself up looking at their muzzled faces and listening to the virtue-signalling, blaming and general idiocy. It’ s not good for me. Do they realise that they have ended up in an echo-chamber that might as well be called a sewer for all the shit they’re pumping out.

328580 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Dan L, 2, #409 of 1551 🔗

Facebook = Farcebook


328641 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dan L, 2, #410 of 1551 🔗

Tell Facebook that he misgendered you (you identified as a woman at the time you saw his post)
They will come down like a ton of bricks

328642 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan L, 2, #411 of 1551 🔗

With people I consider or considered good friends, I’ve tried to debate openly but unemotionally, and while I have reacted firmly to their insults I have not blanked them – it is usually they who blank me

Others to whom I was not close I just ignore now and have cut all ties

328909 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Dan L, 3, #412 of 1551 🔗

Unfriend. This piece of shit can’t possibly be a friend now.

328451 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #413 of 1551 🔗

On Simon Dolan’s Twitter feed. Italian Court rules Ministerial Decrees re Covid “illegitimate and unconstitutional” According to the Court of Rome, those decrees that limit freedoms are “vitiated by multiple profiles of illegitimacy”: for this reason they are to be struck down. https://www.ilgiornale.it/news/politica/sentenza-bomba-sui-dpcm-conte-sono-illegittimi-e-1912139.html

This follows court rulings in Austria against masking kids and a similar ruling against restriction in Bosnia-Herzegovina. Reflect on that – B-H is more democratic and its courts more responsive than in the birthplace of liberty!

328452 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #414 of 1551 🔗

“Vitiated by multiple profiles of illegitimacy”. That’s Italian lawyer speak for “They’re all a bunch of bastards”.

328458 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #415 of 1551 🔗

Here is Google Translate’s translation:

The “bomb” sentence on Conte’s Dpcm: “They are illegitimate and unconstitutional”
According to the Court of Rome, the decrees that limit our freedoms are “vitiated by multiple profiles of illegitimacy”: for this reason they are “lapsable”, that is, to be annulled

Luca Sablone – Thu, 24/12/2020 – 11:24
Is the government acting outside the norms of the democratic state and thus limiting our freedoms by violating the laws? The Dpcm born by Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte, who has been changing the lifestyle habits of Italians to try to limit the spread of Coronavirus since March, ended up in the crosshairs of the controversies.

Restrictions, lockdowns and curfews. Yet, according to the study of December 18 by Johns Hopkins University, the data shows that Italy is the country in the world with the highest mortality from Coronavirus per 100 thousand inhabitants: 111.23 deaths per 100 thousand inhabitants; followed by Spain (104.39), the United Kingdom (99.49) and the United States (94.97). Evidently the decrees of the Prime Minister have also been of little use.

However, there is a “bombshell” ruling by the Court of Rome, called to express itself on a dispute in which a business to be evicted for arrears has ended due to non-payment of fees for the closure imposed by the prohibitions in the context of the Coronavirus emergency . The judge came to the conclusion that the Dpcm “are vitiated by violations for lack of motivation” and “by multiple profiles of illegitimacy”. Therefore, as such, they appear to be “transitory”. That is, they do not produce real and concrete effects from a jurisprudential point of view, they must be canceled. The decrees with which the government intervened are not “of a normative nature” but of an “administrative nature”. So they should refer to an already existing law.

Violations of the Dpcm
The civil court of Rome cites “all the Presidents Emeritus of the Constitutional Court, Baldassarre, Marini, Cassese”. Furthermore, it is explained that there is no ordinary law “which gives the Council of Ministers the power to declare a state of emergency due to health risks”. So the Dpcm are unconstitutional? We read that “they have imposed a renewal of the limitation of the rights of freedom”. Instead they would have required “a further passage in a different Parliament” compared to the one that took place for the conversion of the decree I remain at home and of Cura Italia. “These are therefore measures in contrast with the articles ranging from 13 to 22 of the Constitution and with the discipline of Article 77 of the Constitution, as noted by authoritative constitutional doctrine”, is added.

To be valid, the Dpcm, as administrative acts, must be motivated pursuant to article 3 of law 241/1990. The technical-scientific Committee has always been cited at the basis of every decision, whose analyzes – explains the judge – have been reserved for some time and were made public only close to the deadlines of the Dpcm themselves: “Such a delay as to not allow the ‘activation of judicial protection “.

The Dpcm remains an administrative act that cannot restrict fundamental freedoms, even if to “legitimize” it is an act that instead has the force of law; the part that does not hold it becomes the cause of the negative consequences on the full usability of the property. In short, the judge shares the “authoritative constitutional doctrine” according to which it is contrary to the Constitution to provide for norms that limit the fundamental rights of the person by means of decrees of the Presidency of the Council of Ministers. As reported by Italia Oggi, the first decree law that “legitimized” the Dpcm limited itself to containing a list by way of example and thus allowed the adoption of unnamed acts, but did not establish any modalities for the exercise of powers.

328594 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #416 of 1551 🔗

Yes, the UK, the birthplace of democracy and free speech is now nothing of the sort, with a judiciary who are (mostly) unconcerned about the erosion of those hard won freedoms.

Deeply saddening.

To think our forefathers fought and died to ensure our freedom – they must turn now in their graves – including those whose final resting place is unknown.

328455 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 3, #417 of 1551 🔗

Apologies if this has already been posted. A Lockdown activist, Debbie Hicks, was so annoyed that Gloucester Hospital was described as being overwhelmed, she decided to enter the hospital and film. The first link shows the hospital to be deserted. The second link shows the Police arriving at her house and arresting the poor woman in front of her family.



328459 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Mutineer, 7, #418 of 1551 🔗

Toby has offered her help from the Free Speech Union. I hope someone can get the message to her. How can filming in a public space be a public order offence? This is fascism, pure and simple.

328724 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 1, #420 of 1551 🔗

Debbie has got my messages and has emailed Toby. Fingers crossed.

328466 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #421 of 1551 🔗

I do hope so. She has already been fined for organising protests.

328519 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 2, #422 of 1551 🔗

In my haste to post about this I had failed to read the editorial so missed that Toby has already picked up on this. I’ve asked people I know who are her friends to contact her.

328474 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #423 of 1551 🔗

I find the response to what she has done chilling. Does anyone know whether the public order offence is supposedly the filming itself, or the subsequent posting online with her critical commentary?

328489 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #424 of 1551 🔗

Does it matter that much? The real problem here is that documenting verifiable truth is now a crime. I know people that work in hospitals and they confirm that the government is telling out and out lies.

This story should be over every newspaper and TV outlet in the ‘Free’ world, it is sickening and despicable. The matter should be raised in parliament as well asap.

328527 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Old Bill, 7, #425 of 1551 🔗

She was actually only doing the job that any self-respecting investsigative journalists left in the MSM should be doing. So, lies are now the new truth.

328545 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Old Bill, #426 of 1551 🔗

No, in one way it doesn’t matter that much. But I am interested in how existing legislation is being applied abused – what previously uncontroversial everyday activities are now being criminalised? What does this tell us about how authoritarian practices are going to encroach ever more on our lives?

The story here (for me) is the unjustifiable response to this woman’s actions – I am not shocked or horrified that she found an outpatients department empty in the week between Christmas and New Year.

328600 ▶▶ Wilko, replying to Mutineer, 2, #427 of 1551 🔗

I am a firm lockdown sceptic from Gloucester. Although Debbie Hicks arrest is totally unwarranted her video shows her wandering around Monday to Friday parts of GRH on a Sunday, of course they are virtually empty. Publicising this is a huge own goal for Lockdown Sceptics, it taints all the good articles and posts 🙁

328932 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Wilko, #428 of 1551 🔗

Why are there any parts of a major hospital not working in the midst of the worst health crisis know to mankind? Out patients I believe, why closed at weekends?

329679 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Mutineer, #429 of 1551 🔗

Does Toby Young know about this? Simon Dolan? Free Speech Union? Lord Sumption? We have to help this woman.

328471 JASA, 6, #430 of 1551 🔗

Just come across this, which is how it should be.
Hands. Face. Embrace. Live Life. Ditch The Mask. Choose Love.

328475 tides, replying to tides, 1, #431 of 1551 🔗

Week 14 to Week 52
NOIDS submitted to PHE for Covid 19 by medical health practitioners in the uk based on symptoms.


Week 14 to Week 52
Positive test results.


Data available at the following sites:

Gov.uk and ecdc.europa.eu

328587 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to tides, #432 of 1551 🔗

Asked Whately (also my MP) for an answer to that mystery, still no reply.

328479 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #433 of 1551 🔗

What is the evidence to support his assertion that lockdown sceptics ‘have blood on their hands’

Worthy of a formal complaint to the GMC


328487 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 3, #434 of 1551 🔗

By the same logic everyone has blood on their hands every flu season
So what and don’t care spring to mind

328495 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #435 of 1551 🔗

too true. we have all been in chains of infection that have killed people in the past and will in the future. that’s life! the only way you can avoid it is being last in the chain – ie dying. maybe lockdowners should commit suicide when they get a sniffle to be on the safe side

328513 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #436 of 1551 🔗

Absolutely. One of the things that troubles me most (although it’s a long list) is that we are now expected to accept individual responsibility for the health and life of every other human being on the planet – and so many have internalised this without question. I don’t see how society can function under these conditions. Surely the same persepctive will be applied in future to every other transmissible disease. We are all now minutes away from being declared guilty of manslaughter (if not murder). There can be no private life or individual freedom under these conditions – I am struggling to see a way back from this.

328530 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Charlie Blue, #437 of 1551 🔗

In that case, they should arrest all of the fat people who inundate the NHS with their being-fat-related health problems.

328930 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to jb12, #438 of 1551 🔗

Design loads on the tracks fixed to the ceiling in the specialist wards are impressive.

328928 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, #439 of 1551 🔗

Perhaps he’s confused by the Lady Macbeth ‘will these hands ne’er be clean …?’ handwashing meme.

The Reduced Shakespeare Company even encouraged Bard fans to scrub while reciting Lady Macbeth’s famous “out, damned spot!” speech.


328482 Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #440 of 1551 🔗

I have given consideration to the, as they keep telling us, extremely high number of cases being reported which, they tell us, is evidence of an extremely dangerous situation in the UK. I wonder if anyone on here knows whether there is an official document or Table that lists all the Testing Stations in England (and the UK). The big question for me is that this number of cases is utterly and totally implausible and yes, I am in no doubt at all that the PCR test has fuelled this. However, that is only one answer. What I believe would add another useful bolt on to a better analysis of this ‘positive cases’ data is if they were broken down by individual Testing Stations, NHS in-hospital testing per hospital, Home Testing kits and other locations where testing is taking place. The Lighthouse Labs and other Testing Labs should be able to provide this data in any event. I strongly suspect this information would present a very different picture to that currently presented.

Just a thought.

328500 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #441 of 1551 🔗

From https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing

25-12-2020 339,024 tests

Apparently over 339 thousand people had nothing better to do on Christmas day than get tested.

Ok some of them are in hospital but

25-12-2020 pillar1 44,400 pillar 2 294,624

Did over 294 thousand people get themselves tested on Christmas day?

328514 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Jonny S., #442 of 1551 🔗

They are NHS staff and they were in work

328554 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Cecil B, #443 of 1551 🔗

What are the Pillars?
Tests in the UK are carried out through a number of different routes:

  • Pillar 1: swab testing in Public Health England (PHE) labs and NHS hospitals for those with a clinical need, and health and care workers
  • Pillar 2: swab testing for the wider population, as set out in government guidance
328539 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Jonny S., #444 of 1551 🔗

I very much doubt it any testing happened on Christmas Day! Good information though. Thanks

329548 ▶▶▶ Diogenes_Spaniel, replying to Jonny S., #445 of 1551 🔗

I have a job driving past Swindon testing centre at the the same time every day, and have kept an eye on it, driving past since October.

Today, (yes,NYE!) was remarkably, amazingly, stupendously, busier than any other day I’ve ever driven past.

It usually looks completely deserted, empty, with maybe a dribble of one or two cars visible.

Today it was rammed. Totally full of cars, bumper to bumper inside (you can see it from a bridge) at about 3.30pm.

Just sayin’.

329683 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Jo Dominich, #446 of 1551 🔗
328483 Banjones, 3, #447 of 1551 🔗

Do share at every available opportunity, what the pro-lockdowners’ hero said, back in May:


Remind anyone you know who still hangs on his every word.

328490 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 4, #448 of 1551 🔗

WE’RE BACK! Ready for the madness of 2021. End of Year Episode HERE:


ENJOY. Dare we say it….happy new year.

328492 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 14, #449 of 1551 🔗

“covid rule-breakers have blood on their hands”, “ I am watching whole families getting wiped out here, and it’s got to stop.”

hospitals overwhelmed etc

From Prof Hugh Montgomery of London’s Whittington Hospital

A quick look at

Healthcare in Whittington Health NHS Trust

6 in mechanical ventilation, 79 in hospital,10 patients admitted a day

serves a population of 500,000

similar to Bucks – seems like a normal winter if a bit mild

328504 ▶▶ Basics, replying to steve_w, 10, #450 of 1551 🔗

Prof Hugh Montgomery needs reminding of his oath, his alarm porn verbage causes harm particularly to vulnerable good people.

328507 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to steve_w, 7, #451 of 1551 🔗

Notwithstanding the disingenuousness of his statement, what about the “blood” they have on their hands.

328512 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to kh1485, 4, #452 of 1551 🔗

right – it was the NHS that purposely infected the care homes

328509 ▶▶ Paul, replying to steve_w, 11, #453 of 1551 🔗

“I am watching whole families getting wiped out here, and it’s got to stop.”,nothing like a bit of hysterical hyperbole is there ?,what a dickhead.

328553 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Paul, 10, #454 of 1551 🔗

Is he really? Well, if there was such a deadly pandemic in the UK, I would expect to see supermarket staff dropping like flies, people dropping in the street, people working in Warehouses, in the post offices and sorting offices, bus drivers, NHS staff and other people. But, it’s not visible anywhere, not in NHS official stats or Govt official stats or in the positive cases stats. Most people I talk to don’t know anyone who has had it and I can’t see around me any evidence of any type of pandemic. It’s just a seasonal respiratory virus that has now been politicised.

328638 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo Dominich, 3, #455 of 1551 🔗

Funny how the homeless and the druggies seem perfectly fine ???
Some killer virus

328522 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, 7, #456 of 1551 🔗

What a disgusting individual. And he actually KNOWS he’s lying – it’s not even as if he’s ignorant and believing the propaganda.

Perhaps the figure showing how many are discharged each day might be useful too – lest people think that patients are just piling in on top of the others!

328529 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to steve_w, 11, #457 of 1551 🔗

‘Whole families wiped out’ Highly unlikely as the survival rate is 99% and children remain largely unaffected

Could this clown please name the families

Medical confidentially no longer applies as they are all dead

328534 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cecil B, 6, #458 of 1551 🔗

‘wiped out’ could mean a bit tired

328681 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to steve_w, #459 of 1551 🔗

Thank you for making me laugh. Quite an achievement today.

328538 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to steve_w, 8, #460 of 1551 🔗

Whole families wiped out – so he is talking about 3 or 4 generations of a family? Looks like someone has been recruited to do some fear propaganda. Can’t see how this is helpful for the nation, just divisive nonsense.

328558 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Darryl, 6, #461 of 1551 🔗

I think actually, by making utterly ridiculous statements like this actually turns people against the official narrative rather than towards it. It is such a blatant lie and not a shred of evidence to back it up that a 4yr old could see through it.

328604 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Jo Dominich, 7, #462 of 1551 🔗

You’d be surprised how many people in this country of ours are easily taken in by this type of hysterical media frenzy. Put a doctor or any quasi medical person up in front of them and he or she is immediately endowed with god-like powers.

329685 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Alan P, #463 of 1551 🔗

National Enquirer, News of the World.

328543 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to steve_w, 8, #464 of 1551 🔗

Rewrite – lockdown instigators have blood on their hands, I am watching whole families get wiped out by economic and psychological meltdown and it has got to stop.

328566 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Hattie, 2, #465 of 1551 🔗

100 million more in extreme poverty worldwide.

328552 ▶▶ alw, replying to steve_w, #466 of 1551 🔗

Perhaps Julia Neuberger who is chair of the Whittington Trust should be contacted for her views on this? I shall certainly be asking her when I next see her.

328690 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to alw, #467 of 1551 🔗

I remember her from when I used to watch Question Time. She’s one of those people whose every utterance I can predict because it’s the exact opposite of what I think about everything. I wouldn’t hold out too many hopes for her.

328556 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to steve_w, 2, #468 of 1551 🔗

He’s an activist involved with climate change, it’s propaganda

328570 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #469 of 1551 🔗

A thermageddonist, makes sense. The appaling ‘spoonsbotherer Councillor Perkin here is a vegan XR loving lockdowns enthusiast.

328562 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to steve_w, 5, #470 of 1551 🔗

Why can he get away with this? Should he not be reported to the GMC?

328784 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to p02099003, #471 of 1551 🔗

It’s been said famously that free speech does not extend to shouting FIRE in a crowded theatre when there isn’t one. But it seems the BBC think it’s fine for a conceited consultant to shout PLAGUE in a crowded nation when there isn’t one. In both cases such fake alarm could well be the cause of unnecessary deaths.

328649 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to steve_w, 3, #472 of 1551 🔗

Evil monstrous lies. That man should be locked up.

328494 Hellonearth, replying to Hellonearth, 13, #473 of 1551 🔗

I was thinking last night in bed when I couldn’t drop off, not alone in that I’m sure. When you think of how we view serial killers like the ripper, Harold Shipman, Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, the list goes on. The hatred for these people is strong, but those in charge of this hoax are just as evil, if not worse. The amount of people who will die as a direct result of the lockdowns will make the evil people I mentioned look like amateurs. They know what they are doing and let it continue. In my eyes they deserve the dealth penalty, along with all the other scum costing us a fortune lingering in prisons for their heinous crimes.

328498 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #474 of 1551 🔗

concur with your views. but have you considered audible? did wonders for me and I have been ‘sleep challenged’ throughout my life

328823 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to steve_w, #475 of 1551 🔗

Will give it a try, thank you.

328528 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Hellonearth, 5, #476 of 1551 🔗

I would also include those in the medical profession who have been complicit in the lies by signing off deaths as covid when other major factors are involved. The whole government case for lockdowns is based on supposed covid deaths and cases, and the subsequent harm this is doing in the immediate effect and long term to the whole population is criminal and murderous, so all those in healthcare who are concealing the lie, claiming their hospital is on the point of meltdown are all complicit – claiming you fear for your job is, I am afraid, is no longer a valid excuse considering the consequences of your actions. If healthcare staff on mass came out with the truth the givernment’s case would fall apart instantly, that is how relevant their silence is.
I note that even the statement from PHE defined deaths from Covid as thise from the last 28 days with a positive test, they do not even hide the duplicity. Two and half million tests over the last seven days and the Christmas period, many couriers on holiday …

328827 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Hattie, 1, #477 of 1551 🔗

Absolutely, there are many people complicit in all this and it stinks to high heaven.

328499 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #478 of 1551 🔗

It seems that the rogue, corrupt states in Balkan, Eastern Europe (Bulgaria, Romania, North Macedonia) seem to have more common sense than Western Europe. Ivermectin has been used by more a billion people in the world for parasitic diseases. It’s inventor was awarded Nobel Price 2015 for its discovery. It is included in WHO essential medicine list for parasitic diseases. It is dirt cheap. It is widely used in veterinary medicine. Production can be scaled up very quickly. It seems to the best drug so far having an effect and is clearly killing the virus. There are even RCT studies proving it and it is used now in all phases of C-19 infection. Shall we take it with a pinch of salt? You should always do that with any drug. Have we anything to lose by using it widely ? .No. Even if it was less effective than the studies lives will be potentially saved.

We might be at the peak of second wave but there will be many more deaths on the slope down before any effect (if ever on the whole population) of the vaccine adding to herd immunity.

We have a safe drug and an experimental vaccine which we want everybody to take (instead of a selected high risk of population where risks might be worth taken). The safe drug is not allowed in the UK for C-19 infection. The therapeutic nihilism for antiviral treatment is shocking but not surprising in the Western Europe. Big Pharma has no interest in a cheap alternative and more importantly not risking the EAU for the vaccines. And they have the last word as we have seen from the beginning in this shambolic pandemic response.


“It looks like the incoming Bulgarian Randomized Controlled Trial of ivermectin (n=120) has been successful, according to local press. The drug is expected to land in pharmacies mid-January.


328520 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 6, #479 of 1551 🔗

Good news. While the UK is top of the buyers league for vaccines, other counties have bought very little in advance. This leaves room for control groups to emerge. If Bulgaria manage Covid with prophylactic treatments and little vaccine, at a fraction of the cost and coercive propaganda, we have ourselves another Sweden.

329384 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #480 of 1551 🔗

Great news. Merkel will not be pleased. Control groups are exactly what they do not want. Expect enormous pressure to be brought to bear on Bulgaria behind the scenes and also through EU funds.

From my contacts the Balkans seems to be a relative hotbed of scepticism and ‘conspiracy theories’.

328535 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to swedenborg, 2, #481 of 1551 🔗

Ivermectin was mentioned on Sky News Australia back in October, where a scientist who had been working on it was so impressed by its effectiveness, he tried to interest the government – who, predictably, failed to respond.


328783 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Banjones, 1, #482 of 1551 🔗

It was most likely Thomas Borody,a gastroentrologist in Sydney. This is not a quack doctor or fringe lunatic. He is famous for introducing antbiotic treatment for Helicobacter pylori infection causing gastric ulcer. He was one of the first to promote Ivermectin and is one of the co-authors in the published paper for Ivermecti use.MSM/BBC has as usual buried him or stamped him as crank.

328686 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to swedenborg, 1, #483 of 1551 🔗

Belarus seem to be fine
Prob don’t have as many tubbies though

328508 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #484 of 1551 🔗

I suspect the testing is largely in house within the NHS

In an organisation with 1.7m staff there is ample opportunity for ramping up the testing numbers.

Then add care home staff and all the NHS and care home inmates

If the incentive for staff is two weeks additional paid annual leave what is not to like

328542 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Cecil B, 4, #485 of 1551 🔗

There’s a community testing centre in Swadlincote near where I live where they are literally advertising on socially media for people without symptoms to come for testing. People are asking if they should come every day which actually makes some sense because you could catch it half an hour after being tested. The whole thing is insanity and they wonder why we are now in tier 4!

328614 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #486 of 1551 🔗

I know. Surely this would end if people stopped getting tested??

328623 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Janette, #487 of 1551 🔗

I think the government would just fabricate the numbers if they are not doing it already

328713 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #488 of 1551 🔗

Testing centre in Cardiff – last Sunday morning – 8.00 AM line around the block of fools in cars q-ing for tests
Bizarre as it is a ghost town normally
A lot busier now though
Must have a promotion on

328521 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #489 of 1551 🔗

I wonder why the smirking wancock and his accomplices are so unconcerned by the criminal investigation public enquiry into the handling of the covid emergency sure to come at the end of the never ending scamdemic…

328531 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Major Panic, 4, #490 of 1551 🔗

they can blame SAGE

328564 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steve_w, 5, #491 of 1551 🔗

hanock will be the fallguy, it’s the only reason he’s still with us. Tosser.

328592 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to karenovirus, 4, #492 of 1551 🔗

I do wonder what will happen. politicians blame SAGE, SAGE blame the politicians for not taking account effect of lockdown (which they claimed was not in their remit), SAGE blame the modellers. Best is everyone just forms a circular firing squad

328812 ▶▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to steve_w, 1, #493 of 1551 🔗

But who will fire first and with what calibre weapon?
When criminals fall out at trial and each blames the other it used to be called “The Cutthroat Defence” as they all tended to be convicted.

328533 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Major Panic, 4, #494 of 1551 🔗

Because the only issue will be did they lockdown soon enough and hard enough. Don’t expect a PE to bring us any comfort whatsoever.

328540 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Major Panic, 2, #495 of 1551 🔗

The public enquiry process itself is badly in need of reform, as parliament has more than once pointed out.

That will be why.

328555 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Major Panic, 6, #496 of 1551 🔗

Public enquiries are usually cover ups. Most people involved will be of the same social standing, same universities, and will often be friendly with each other. It’s just usually a case of making it look like the system works to the general public – look at the BBC Saville enquiry – not a single high level person taking any responsibility or being exposed as involved, despite all the evidence otherwise.

328569 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Major Panic, 1, #497 of 1551 🔗

We just went through a public enquiry over a renewables scheme here in Northern Ireland. Cost around £13m and it was a fill your boots exercise for people close to those directing it.

It did show how bad our public bodies are at managing finances but it has basically let everyone off the hook.


It’s been just a confirmation of what we knew before it started.

328598 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Major Panic, 1, #498 of 1551 🔗

It’ll take so long that they won’t be affected by it. Right now the focus is on creating a fear frenzy so that they can “save the day” with the vaccine and then move on.

328914 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Jenny, #499 of 1551 🔗

Yup, that must be the plan.

328601 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Major Panic, 3, #500 of 1551 🔗

Posted this short clip of cock yesterday. He swallows the swallow of a condemned man. I believe he is beginning to realise his place in history and its a little too much for him. Tears of confusion from him.


One future bus tour company make like to take advantage of what I am certain will become popular in furture a dancing on the graves tour visiting sites across the country for tap dancing on gravesites when these bastards are gone.

A club 18-30 piddle on their grave tour bus would also be popular.

328917 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Basics, #501 of 1551 🔗

Only if you post it on TikTok.

328619 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Major Panic, 2, #502 of 1551 🔗

Because there will be enquiry.There will be no comeback.We have experienced a coup it’s just that the majority do not realise it.

328677 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Major Panic, #503 of 1551 🔗

Perhaps, for some reason, he and the complicit others think they’re fireproof. And perhaps they are….

328715 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #504 of 1551 🔗

yes, and the scamdemic needs to end before there is an end of scamdemic enquiry

328840 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Major Panic, #505 of 1551 🔗

Probably because they know the judiciary are in their pockets. You need look no further than the Simon Dolan case result….

328524 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 14, #506 of 1551 🔗

seen yesterday on LS – needs repeating


a healthy 34 year old civil servant is so worried about covid that he drinks so much water that it almost kills him

the country is run by morons like this. i think this story explains a lot about our current predicament

328544 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to steve_w, 4, #507 of 1551 🔗

Drinking too much water causes low sodium, sodium ions are involved in a lot of physiological processes, particularly in conjunction with potassium ions.

328548 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to p02099003, 4, #508 of 1551 🔗

yes, its notorious. happens to people trying to hydrate before long distance running. you should drink when you are thirsty. thats what thirst is for

328631 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to steve_w, 2, #509 of 1551 🔗

Tea helps to stave off dementia for us oldies apparently.

328571 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to p02099003, 3, #510 of 1551 🔗

Hyponatremia is extremely dangerous. My mum was suffering from this yet I only found out 8 months after her death (I was told at the time that she was “low in vitamins …”). The consultant I met with, after her death, told me that his hospital always saw a spike in cases whenever PHE recommended drinking lots of water and his criticism of this advice was withering.

328685 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to kh1485, 4, #511 of 1551 🔗

In the Army (according to my beloved, who should know) they are told to hydrate BEFORE exercise, and not to overdo it. This carrying bottles around while running is just more attention seeking tosh.

328550 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to steve_w, 1, #512 of 1551 🔗

Luck escape from C-19 death.

328532 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 15, #513 of 1551 🔗


 This letter from Peter Goetsche to BMJ is worth reading see a quote below. Goetsche is famous as one of giants in evidence based medicine. This is ironic .He was a hero for BMJ and Richard Horton Lancet previously in his attacks against Big Pharma’s exaggerated claims of drug effects for different diseases. This has now changed completely after C-19. He is now a pariah claiming no evidence based support for masks and lockdowns etc..

“These data contradict the assertion by Pastor-Barriuso et al. that the infection fatality rate for COVID-19 is about 10 times larger than that for influenza. It seems to be about the same. In Denmark, when blood donors were tested for coronavirus antibodies, the death rate for COVID-19 was only 0.16% (8).
Pastor-Barriuso et al. concluded that their result supports existing measures, “e.g. social distancing, face masks, and educational campaigns.”
I disagree. The infection fatality rate seems to be about the same as for influenza, but we have never introduced these drastic measures before, when we had influenza pandemics. And we cannot live with them for years to come. The World Bank has just estimated that the corona pandemic has caused an increase of about 100 million people living in extreme poverty (9). This is not because of COVID-19. It is because of the draconian measures we have introduced. We need a better strategy.”

328710 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to swedenborg, 1, #514 of 1551 🔗

Really very interesting indeed. Many thanks.

328536 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #515 of 1551 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55479018 a consultant from a London hospital blames people not following the rules for the rise in cases saying they have blood on their hands.

328546 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to p02099003, 2, #516 of 1551 🔗

Not me, all the sanitizing has enhanced my OCD.

328551 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to p02099003, 6, #517 of 1551 🔗

But they ignore the Covid Fanatics and Covid NHS of course who have ‘blood on their hands’ caused by the treatments delayed and stopped,

328559 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to p02099003, 6, #518 of 1551 🔗

Just because they keep repeating something, doesn’t make it true. More psycological warfare to shame people into compliance. Really am sick of it!

328565 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to p02099003, 3, #519 of 1551 🔗

I keep posting he’s a partisan activist for the climate change agenda. The ends justifies the means for these people.

328578 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to p02099003, 6, #520 of 1551 🔗

Not me…but I might well have Covid on my hands if I visited their hospital to be and found its infection control as poor as I have witnessed in our hospitals both in person and on the TV: nurses failing to put on new gloves between sanitary tasks, TikTok dancing, free meals for staff brought in from takeaway estanlishments with unknown hygiene standards, elderly and confused people left to wander wards, touching everything in sight, and consultants failing to sanitise between patients.

328591 ▶▶ dpj, replying to p02099003, 4, #521 of 1551 🔗

What a disgusting scaremongering article. As it appears from comments elsewhere that his hospital is not any busier than a typical year is there anyway we can find if he has links to big pharma or Bill Gates which has motivated his comments?

328648 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to dpj, 1, #522 of 1551 🔗

Professor Hugh Montgomery, Head, Centre for Human Health and Performance, University College London

Professor Montgomery was educated at Plymouth College and qualified as a medical doctor in July 1987 from the Middlesex Hospital Medical School, University of London. He leads a research group in cardiovascular genetics which has published over 100 publications including original research papers in journals such as Nature, The Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine. He has been awarded the title of London Leader by the London Sustainable Development Commission for his work in climate change and health under the auspices of Project Genie; he was also a founding member of the UK Climate and Health Council and one of the co-authors of the UCL-Lancet Commission” in 2009.

328756 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #524 of 1551 🔗

Climate = Watermelon.

329015 ▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to mhcp, #525 of 1551 🔗

What is the colour for “idiot”?

329692 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to BJJ, #526 of 1551 🔗

The colour of money.

328906 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #527 of 1551 🔗

‘cardiovascular genetics’ sounds like a profitable line of private practice. NHS consultants do both.

328645 ▶▶ Lowe, replying to p02099003, 1, #528 of 1551 🔗

He has been an enthusiastic supporter of distancing and lockdown from the beginning – doing many interviews.  For example, on Channel 4: 24/3/20 “I have no doubt at all that we will be unable to cope”; 30/3/20 Cases “not moving up exponentially” which “has to be a good sign”; 7/4/20 “There’s no sign for us of a slowdown”.

On 23/3/20 he was interviewed by the Evening Standard and noted that one infected person can pass the virus to three others, and after ten such cycles “I have been responsible for infecting 59000”.  He didn’t mention that after another ten such cycles I could have infected half the planet…

But his secret for surviving an intensive care unit was revealed in a Daily Mail interview 3/8/19: “‘Be physically fit,’ says Montgomery. ‘As well as lowering the risk of cancer and heart disease, if you are run over your chances of surviving are very much higher. If I do an operation on you as an emergency there’s a lot of work for your body to do, delivering oxygen and healing. It’s like running a marathon. If you’re not fit enough, you fall over. But in this case, you die. And having muscle mass is good, particularly if you’re old. Sugar, in the form of glycogen, gets stored in muscle and that reserve is vital.’”

The Daily Mail article also reveals that he once jumped naked from a plane at 14000′.  Personally I always obey the fasten seatbelt signs and wait till the thing has landed…

328807 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Lowe, #529 of 1551 🔗

Shame he neglected to remove the parachute!

328910 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Lowe, #530 of 1551 🔗

7/4/20 “There’s no sign for us of a slowdown” Peak UK C-19 deaths was the next day (too soon for the first lockdown to have had an effect)..

328695 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to p02099003, #531 of 1551 🔗

Haven’t watched it (I might destroy the TV) but is he the one who said that ”whole families are being wiped out”?

328800 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Banjones, #532 of 1551 🔗

Yep! that’s the one…

328911 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Banjones, #533 of 1551 🔗

His wealthy private patients perhaps? A tragedy if so.

328541 Chloe_, replying to Chloe_, 3, #534 of 1551 🔗

Prediction time – at what point during 2021 do you think sheeple will start to open their eyes to see and see the truth? And what do you think their reaction will be? Is it too late?

328589 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Chloe_, 3, #535 of 1551 🔗

2028…lockdown 25…no,not even then!

328599 ▶▶ l835, replying to Chloe_, 6, #536 of 1551 🔗

Once a significant percentage of them are jabbed, Boris will declare the emergency over and sheeple will congratulate themselves on a job well done.

328613 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to l835, 3, #537 of 1551 🔗

Wishful thinking.This will never end unless enough people say it does..A more likely scenario is that enough people will get the jab but those who refuse will remain under restrictions while those vaccinated will have some freedoms restored.

328636 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #538 of 1551 🔗

The government seems desperate for a way out of this mess, hence the wonder vaccines. I agree some powers will be kept, but punishing those who haven’t been vaccinated is an admission that said vaccine doesn’t work, so I expect it will all quietly go away.

328711 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to l835, 2, #539 of 1551 🔗

They don’t look desperate to me they look like they are loving the power.Anytime the government have had an opportunity to roll back they have instead doubled down.They are already seeding the idea that the vaccine won’t bring normality.I hope I’m wrong but the signs are not good here and across the world.

328764 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #540 of 1551 🔗

“No one seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it”
G. Orwell.

329726 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to jonathan Palmer, #541 of 1551 🔗
328624 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to l835, 9, #542 of 1551 🔗

Yes, I fear “they” are going to get away with this. It will be hailed as a victory for the scientific cavalry and our marvellous NHS. Any public enquiry will be as penetrating as they always are and just as expensive. We will then be subjected to austerity as never seen before to pay for the atrocious waste of our money.
Also, they have learned a valuable lesson; most of the public will believe anything and do what they are told. I despair.
I also fear lockdowns will become the norm rather than fixing our bloated and inefficient health care system.

328646 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to WasSteph, 5, #543 of 1551 🔗

Yes the NHS has passed the point of being fixable. As all parties in Westminster have prostrated themselves before it, no one will dare tackle the monumental waste and inefficiency.

328897 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to l835, #544 of 1551 🔗

Bow down before Moloch!

328608 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Chloe_, #545 of 1551 🔗

when the numbers are on the way down people get braver. on the way up they seem caught in headlights.

328617 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Chloe_, 7, #546 of 1551 🔗

I think at least a sizeable minority of people (enough to make this whole thing collapse) are awake. I’ve always thought that the reason there is so little pushback is because most people are breaking the rules on the quiet anyway, and so unless they are a school pupil, student, or run a business, or are waiting for an operation, they’re not that affected by restrictions.

That’s the issue: people just aren’t affected enough, either because the restrictions don’t constrain or destroy their lives in any significant way, or they just ignore the rules anyway.

328630 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Chloe_, 5, #547 of 1551 🔗

When it starts to hurt (preferably food rations)
They are still too comfy at the moment

328908 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Crystal Decanter, #548 of 1551 🔗

Agreed and I said something along those lines yesterday.

328749 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Chloe_, 3, #549 of 1551 🔗

It’ll be in May when they “postpone” the local elections again that there’ll be a murmur.

But it all depends on the next few weeks in the US and if Trump is elected to a second term. If not there’s going to be real trouble in general.

328796 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to mhcp, #550 of 1551 🔗

“Postpone”? Don’t you mean cancel? After all they wouldn’t want any sceptic candidates getting into positions like police commissioners or regional mayors. It would really piss on their chips.

328774 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Chloe_, #551 of 1551 🔗

When the lights go out!

328789 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Chloe_, #552 of 1551 🔗

If they ever actually lose out from this. But it may well be too late then.

328903 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Chloe_, #553 of 1551 🔗

If I can chuck my two pennies worth in I think some people will wake up around easter/spring (unless the fear factor is seriously ramped up before then) however I fear their reaction is likely to muted and just an acceptance of their fate.

328935 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Chloe_, #554 of 1551 🔗

Not sure they will. I think they’ll detach from it and blame any economic fallout on Brexit.

328560 CGL, replying to CGL, #555 of 1551 🔗

Please could someone just check that my understanding and logic is correct in the following example? I want to include it in my email to the school about the testing.

“We know that the rate of false positives is currently around 90% or more.
Using, as an example, the 10,000 tests that were carried out on the lorry drivers going back to the EU last week:-
For ease, if we assume a rate of around 1% that would be expected to test positive – 100
Then at current prevalence, you would expect 90% of those results to be false positive – 90
Leaving just 10 true positives – trouble is that it can’t be told which 10 out of the 100 are the true ones.
The actual number of lorry drivers who tested positive was 23.
This means that all 23 are likely to be false.”

Am I correct?

328590 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to CGL, 1, #556 of 1551 🔗

FP rate is unknown but PHE estimated it at between 0.8% and 4% – it will change depending on a number of variables

if you test a group once and the positive rate is anywhere near the false positive rate you can ignore it as noise.

328595 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to steve_w, #557 of 1551 🔗

Thank you – I could say that ‘in this example it would mean the 23 would be false’.

I am just trying to explain the method of the calculation, so the numbers are for ease of the example really.

329420 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #560 of 1551 🔗

Cheers BeBop!

328603 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to CGL, 1, #561 of 1551 🔗

the infectivity rate in society is claimed as 1% (from PCR surveys)

if you tested 10,000 you would expect around 100 +ves

if your FP rate is 1% you would expect around 100 FPs

but its all complicated by FPR being unknown and changing and the real +ve rate being based on PCR with FPR itself

zoe app comes out at about 1% infectious too – this is self- reported symptoms. I expect its about right and lower than other seasonal viruses which also kill the frail

normal winters sometimes ‘everyone’ seems to have a cold.

328616 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CGL, 2, #562 of 1551 🔗

Look at this website for more information re school opening


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328933 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to CGL, 1, #563 of 1551 🔗

I made this in case it helps – it’s ultra basic but should hopefully help you confirm figures: https://coronacalculator.azurewebsites.net/

329418 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Tee Ell, #564 of 1551 🔗

That’s great – thank you very much for the link

328573 Mark, replying to Mark, 29, #565 of 1551 🔗


“Today we remember those doctors who have sadly died of covid-19 in the UK this year”

Remembering the UK doctors who have died of covid-19

For context, which is something the world’s medical professions have mostly preferred to avoid like the plague this year, there are currently 335,824 doctors registered to practice in the UK.

Any surprise should be that only 33 doctors between 44 and 84 years old have died with a positive covid test.

To call 0.01% a “devastating toll” is an abusive devaluing of the language. Each of those deaths might well be “devastating” for the family and friends of the individual in question, but as an overall toll, it is the opposite of “devastating”. Rather it is minor.

The prevalence of this kind of infantile, virtue signalling sentimentality is part of the reason we are where we are this year. And it’s not a good place, nor is the direction of travel a good one.

328585 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mark, 2, #566 of 1551 🔗

considering they are heavily exposed and often tested, probably not a bad guess of IFR if you did the age weightings correctly

328618 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to steve_w, 7, #567 of 1551 🔗

My first comment would be doctors still working at age 84, really? They are including retired doctors on list as well surely?
Secondly I totally agree with your comment. The most likely people in UK to catch covid and only 0.01% died is further proof that it’s not the deadly disease we are led to believe.

328622 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 4, #568 of 1551 🔗

Well said.

To give you an example of how this logic is frowned upon in this context by lockdown lovers but readily deployed in others, to suit their bias, look at any news articles outlining how hundreds of doctors have signed the GBD or letters to government saying lockdowns don’t work. They’ll happily point out that 300 doctors out of 300,000 or so is just a dribble.

However now it’s a devastating number. Shameful. These people have value and should be held up as heroes.

It’s again a sign of faulty logic. Of bias being a driving factor in one’s thinking. You see this all the time. There is no hope for such people.

328582 karenovirus, 6, #569 of 1551 🔗

That’s me done for today, just like to wish all at LS a good auld yers noight as we say in these parts.

328586 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #570 of 1551 🔗

Have no idea what this is, but seems important and an interesting find!


328596 ChrisDinBristol, 15, #573 of 1551 🔗

Hi All . . And HAPPY NEW YEAR to lockdown sceptics everywhere. Big thanks to Toby, Will and the ‘team’ for your outstanding work this year in the face of the industrial-scale insanity that has beset the nation (world). Thanks also to all you chaps & chappesses here below the line that have been a constant source of useful information, a place to let off steam, a place to laugh and a ‘support group’ all at the same time. Here’s to the resistance in 2021 . . . We will never surrender, nor be shaken from our moral certitude. We are the humanity amidst the insane and inhumane, the truth amidst the lies and misdirections, the adherents to scientific principle amidst the corruption and distortion, and our world’s only hope. Stay strong all, the enemy is inside the gates. Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more. . .

328607 Victoria, #574 of 1551 🔗

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328625 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 17, #575 of 1551 🔗

Observations on the editorial piece above “ Oxford Vaccine Approved

  1. General point: It really does seem that they are making this up as they go along (changing dosing intervals etc). It seems that the vaccine strategy is being driven by what is available rather than what is correct. Rather like knocking up a meal from what happens to be in the fridge, rather than buying the right ingredients.
  2. Pregnancy – Pregnant and breastfeeding women can now take either of the two approved coronavirus vaccines “when the potential benefits outweigh the risks”, experts said at an MHRA news conference. How would anyone know the risks of the vaccine for such women? Were they included in the trials?
  3. The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine can also now be administered to people with a wide range of food and medicine allergies, but people allergic to ingredients in the vaccine should not take it. How on earth would anyone know whether they were allergic to the vaccine’s ingredients in advance either separately or in combination? Why are other allergies suddenly ok when they weren’t before?

It seems to me that more cohorts of guinea pigs are being added to this mass experimental vaccine roll-out by the day. The recklessness is breathtaking.

328651 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to godowneasy, 10, #576 of 1551 🔗

I remember reading Pfizer advising that pregnant and breastfeeding women should not take the vaccine as no trials done not even on animals, likewise interactions with other medicines, potential fertility issues. Now that is deemed irrelevant, but hey we have blood on our hands if we don’t wear a mask.

328656 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Hattie, 5, #577 of 1551 🔗

Just thinking on this point of removing the contraindications, maybe they realised there would be a large section of society that could be exempted because of the recognised contraindications and therefore mandatory or coerced vaccination for the whole of society could not be enforced.

328660 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Hattie, 4, #578 of 1551 🔗

Yes indeed – see Swedenborg’s post just above mine. This looks like a political move rather than anything to do with science. You can smell the corruption.

328626 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 17, #579 of 1551 🔗

Infighting in Big Pharma. This is extraordinary and nobody is discussing this in MSM.UK has a big interest in promoting Astra vaccine but taking a decision that one dose works is outside all protocols and the MHRS is open to pressure is amazing. Many in the government have vested interest in AtsraOxford vaccine. Pfizer will not like this. Expect the sharks to fight each other. But the new dosing system for Pfizer vaccine is outside any protocol. How can Blair have more influence in this than the science approval of MHRA?. Scandal.

“Pfizer warns there is NO proof its Covid jab works when doses are taken 12 weeks apart as UK regulator scraps 21-day rule”

“I am shocked the the MHRA has caved into this political pressure. So much for our independent regulators. We now have an ‘emergency approval’ Pfizer vax being given ‘off protocol’ This is so wrong on many levels and severely undermines trust



328662 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to swedenborg, 6, #580 of 1551 🔗

Yes indeed – see my post just below your post. This looks like a political move rather than anything to do with science. You can smell the corruption.

328627 l835, replying to l835, 8, #581 of 1551 🔗

Good news from Wales curtesy of the bbc

“Burger van owners can serve food to people breaking lockdown rules at beauty spots without themselves breaking regulations, a council says.“

328902 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to l835, 1, #582 of 1551 🔗

Have we got a lockdown here in Wales then? What rules? I’ve only just caught up with February’s rules…

328640 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 5, #583 of 1551 🔗

Just looked at cases for Suffolk. Southwold, latest 4 cases reported – this is the town that has plenty of second homes, since summer and tier 4 very busy with many visitors particularly from London. Considering false positives, doesn’t seem to have much of an issue, considering this ‘deadly’ disease is so contagious, but in tier 4 anyway.

329088 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Hattie, #584 of 1551 🔗

Poor old Mr Orwell will be spinning in his grave…

328647 Mark, replying to Mark, 5, #585 of 1551 🔗

Much discussion recently about how the NHS “crisis” is due to staffing problems and inefficient working practices (self-inflicted, basically, through coronapanic distancing and testing policies), not increased illness. Here’s some info apparently from an FOI disclosure, which appears to confirm that:

The data very clearly shows that the current crisis in hospitals is not driven by increased numbers of patients over the norm – they are lower this year than usual – but a capacity problem.

328805 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 1, #586 of 1551 🔗

Available beds (this year and previously), showing there is a capacity problem (undoubtedly due to coronapanic inefficiency this year).

328808 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 1, #587 of 1551 🔗

Bed occupancy (general& acute) showing overall numbers are down this year.

328654 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 10, #588 of 1551 🔗

regarding ‘blood on their hands’ doctor


I suspect he is suffering from Munchausen syndrome by proxy.

I would get him away from the patients as quick as possible before ‘he proves himself right’.

328661 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #589 of 1551 🔗

Prof Hugh “Munchausen” Montgomery

328670 ▶▶ dommo, replying to steve_w, 7, #590 of 1551 🔗

fucking cunt he is – when the nhs gets its medical negligence deaths below say 20,000 a year, then we’ll talk about who has got blood on their hands…


328882 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to dommo, 1, #591 of 1551 🔗

Collateral deaths will probably be higher than that for years in UK. 100 million extra in extreme povertry worldwide. The Prof. is a thermageddonist and thus by definition doesn’t care about poor people denied the bare necessities of life.

328683 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steve_w, 14, #592 of 1551 🔗

Does he forget that the social distancing thing (well, the 2 metres thing, anyway) was just made up?

Most people ‘social distance’ when they are ill, anyway. People know their bodies; they know when they aren’t well. That’s why all the asymptomatic stuff is garbage!

As for this:

He added: “I am watching whole families getting wiped out here, and it’s got to stop.”

What a heap of crap!

328895 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ceriain, 1, #593 of 1551 🔗

Whole families? Wow, what a prick.

328728 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to steve_w, 3, #594 of 1551 🔗

Hugh Montgomery has blood on his hands for actively welcoming in a new wave of fascism. Stupidity will be no defense when the trials eventually come.

328655 Sarigan (Day 283 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 283 of lockdown), 21, #595 of 1551 🔗

Not that we would find the mask in pocket but this made me chuckle (albeit scarily possible):

Made me think of the film Threads That was 80’s post nuclear war but could equally be post reset . subsistence agriculture, population reduced by 80%

328666 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mj, 1, #597 of 1551 🔗

great film

328671 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steve_w, #598 of 1551 🔗

Scary film.

328786 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 283 of lockdown), replying to mj, #599 of 1551 🔗

Thank you, added to watch list

328880 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Sarigan (Day 283 of lockdown), #600 of 1551 🔗

Barbour had a great ad. with all the things people had left in the pockets of jackets and coats sent back for re-proofing.

328657 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 21, #601 of 1551 🔗

Party tonight
Everone’s coming dressed in burkas
Got a BLM sign on the front gate as well to scare off the Pigs

328746 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #602 of 1551 🔗

Now, that is such a cunning plan that if it had ears and a tail it would be a fox!!

328877 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Jo Dominich, #603 of 1551 🔗

Professor of Cunning at Oxford University (or UCL perhaps?).

328658 Andrew K, 10, #604 of 1551 🔗

Freedom new Year to everybody, thanks to Toby and the team for keeping me sane this year. Next year will be the biggest battle of our lives. Freedom, liberty, health and wealth, all under threat from the great reset. we must resist we must fight we must

Support us to Support you to Support others. Stay united and god luck.

328659 mj, replying to mj, 14, #605 of 1551 🔗

been for weekly shop. everyone masked as usual (apart from me) . Long chat with nice lady in shoe shop who was totally sceptical. referred her here
then for walk. bumped into a older couple walking dog who i regularly chat with about the walk and the wildlife. was going to show a video on my phone of fighting swans .. “no we cant look at that. 2 metres ! ” this was outside in the wide open. chatted for a bit . they apparently had been isolating since February. Had isolated from children and grand children (only seen them through glass). In the end they couldnt move fast enough to get away from my sceptic and infection ridden self and refused to discuss.

328665 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mj, 7, #606 of 1551 🔗

Horrible people not to have seen their grandchildren in all this time

328694 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Victoria, 3, #607 of 1551 🔗

Their choice by the sound of it.

328667 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, #608 of 1551 🔗

Just when we thought thing’s couldn’t get any more insane than they already are, this is crazy.


328767 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #609 of 1551 🔗

Totally fake. I’m a Glaswegian and I never ever heard of anyone from Possilpark using any kind of cleaning products, including soap. 😉

328785 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Ceriain, 1, #610 of 1551 🔗

😂 😂 😂 🤙🏻

328874 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ceriain, 1, #611 of 1551 🔗

Haud yer wheest!

328668 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #612 of 1551 🔗

From the Beeb ‘Blood on their hands’ story. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55479018

A further 50,023 new Covid cases were recorded in the UK on Wednesday, as well as 981 more deaths within 28 days of a positive test – more than double the previous day’s total.

BBC still pushing ‘reported’ deaths on a particular day as having died that day. Unfortunately, this is what the masses believe; already had one person tell me this morning that nearly a thousand died yesterday “according to BBC Breakfast”.

I sent them the graphic below. I also explained that those numbers covered people who died of heart attacks, strokes, flu, gunshot wounds, old age; they are only on the Covid death numbers because they had a positive PCR test, and that that doesn’t prove that they actually had Covid at all.

328688 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 4, #613 of 1551 🔗

BBC = BLM. On this occasion the letters stand for Big Lie Machine.

328704 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ceriain, 8, #614 of 1551 🔗

I heard that absolute arsehole, or BBC Radio 4 News, going on about people who don’t wear masks have got blood on their hands. The Telegraph has this:

Covid rule-breakers have ‘blood on their hands,’ claims doctor An intensive care doctor has warned that people who don’t follow restrictions and social distancing “have blood on their hands.”
Professor Hugh Montgomery told BBC Radio 5 Live the hospitals were facing a “tsunami” of Covid cases that could get worse after New Year.


328763 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 3, #615 of 1551 🔗

Beeb, DM and DT all appear to be running this story.

328804 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Tenchy, 2, #616 of 1551 🔗

He’s right, it “could” get worse. Probably won’t though.

329700 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Tenchy, #617 of 1551 🔗

Every couple of weeks someone comes along to scare the public or denounce the skeptics. It’s part of the plan.

328801 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Ceriain, 2, #618 of 1551 🔗

Death certification is an opinion, not an absolute fact in most cases. The doctor need not know the patient and may have very little to go on.

328675 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #619 of 1551 🔗

I think this killer plague thats worse than the black death will only end when all sceptics and rule breakers have been put to death and all politicians and NHS workers have been beautified.

There is nothing more evil than a granny killer who doesn’t wear a mask and doesn’t abide by the rules thats current on that particular day.

328813 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #620 of 1551 🔗

I’m a granny and I don’t wear a mask and don’t abide by any rules, is that allowed then?!. I said to my grandson that he better not stop hugging me just because he has heard some crap that he will kill me. Ok, I’m a young granny but I’m sick of hearing the same old rubbish. Just to clarify to Smelly, I know you are being sarcastic by the way.

328678 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 12, #621 of 1551 🔗


As this year of huge self-harm comes to an end, just wanted to say a big thank you to toby et al. for creating this site. Came to it back in april on the recommendation of a friend. It has done what the mainstream media has largely failed to do this year – its called investigative journalism.

Also a big thank you to peter hitchens, ivor cummins, unherd, spectator tv (how I miss the former andrew neil politics show this week), talk radio, etc, etc.

In my opinion the public inquiry or inquiries to come will largely be an establishment cover up. They will be consumed by the detail of what the government did, not the
question of whether there should have been a series of lockdowns in the first place. The
fact neil ferguson has an obe should confirm this!

For me we must instead look to the likes of ivor cummins and his proposed “covid chronicles” if it meets the required standard. And of course historians if we have any non-pc publishers left in the future.

My final comments for this year therefore go back to the may podcast by david starkey – the year the nhs became a religion and we committed economic suicide.

David Starkey: Covid-19 — Britain’s Disastrous Response Will Have Devastating Consequences – YouTube

328682 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to tony rattray, 3, #622 of 1551 🔗

What about the guys at Offg? They deserve serious recognition too.

328679 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 17, #623 of 1551 🔗

Had a civilised but frustrating argument with a friend there.

He thinks that if we all take the vaccine, the government will give us our freedoms back, arguing that, otherwise, we won’t have access to gigs, football matches etc and that they will continue with lockdowns.

The willingness of him to submit in the face of such obviously unreasonable demands is quite baffling.

Didn’t the government promise that testing would allow us to go back to normal? EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE HAPPENED.

How many medics have had the vaccine? The government won’t tell us, if it’s only say 50% why do the rest of us have to be 100%. And please tell your friend that many doctors and scientists believe that mass vaccination for respiratory diseases creates opportunities for novel pathogens.It may will be the mass flu vaccination programme that has created opportunities for SARS to get a grip in the human population.

328769 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to OKUK, #625 of 1551 🔗

Maybe that’s the idea – more SARS, more lockies!

328700 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 12, #626 of 1551 🔗

Gigs and football matches will cease to exist. The biggest forcible shift in human behaviour in history is underway. Dystopia is here. It’s already apparent that the vaccines are going to make no difference. The Puritans want to extinguish enjoyment and sociability. And they are going to succeed. For the time being. Personally, I don’t plan on wasting my remaining decades waiting for the idiot tide to turn. So outlawry it is.

328849 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #627 of 1551 🔗

Oh it’s going to end. Hold fast. “This is no time to wobble, George!”

328701 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 36, #628 of 1551 🔗

Strange that you should post this now because I have just returned from Asda (pretty busy, trolleys loaded with booze – some parties are going on) where I had an odd experience. The member of staff at the checkout said to me wasn’t it a good thing about the Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine now being available so we could all get back to normal. I asked if she really believed that and she said yes, it’s the only way. I then said to her that Van Tam had said yesterday that the vaccine neither conferred immunity or prevented transmission so things wouldn’t be changing any time soon until evidence could be obtained. I said Johnson also said that some restrictions would still be in place post April. I also referred her to the WHO statement about the vaccine(s) not conferring immunity or preventing transmission. She got angry then and said, she wanted me to clarify that, even if we all got vaccinated we would still be living like this in and out of lockdowns and restrictions, wearing masks etc. I said, pretty much yes, they stated this in plain English yesterday. I advised her to veer away from any broadcast mainstream news such as the BBC, ITV etc and away from the papers and search the internet for better quality and more impartial information free from hysteria. She thanked me and said she would. She talk her mask off to talk to me. Strange thing then happened, the man behind me in the queue took off his mask and asked me where he could get further information. I pointed him to Offg and here. I don’t think he put his mask back on.

328779 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #629 of 1551 🔗

Good to see that you’ve let someone in on this!

328780 ▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #630 of 1551 🔗

Two people in fact!

328782 ▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #631 of 1551 🔗

You wouldn’t say that if you were in the queue behind her. That’s tongue in cheek by the way. You’re doing the right thing.

328923 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #632 of 1551 🔗

Hero! Please keep being chatty! It sounds like your R for conversions per day is 2… if every one of us could achieve the same R we would be able to solve this problem in no time.

328777 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 6, #633 of 1551 🔗

They told us that if we got tested life would return to normal. It’s got much worse, so I don’t really expect a vaccine or whatever that injection is, to do any better. I think we would do better with some Swedish scientists.

328919 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Crimson Avenger, #634 of 1551 🔗

Indeed. The get tested to go back to normal line was a blatant lie.

328691 Victoria, 8, #636 of 1551 🔗

“Paramedic” Will Broughton is in fact a Senior Lecturer in Paramedic Science at University of Hertfordshire.

Hasn’t worked in the ambulance service since 2013.

@SkyNews isn’t this piece rather misleading?


328693 Binra, -1, #637 of 1551 🔗

Noticing the mindtrap is the key.
Unless the mindworm is identified as a mindtrap, there can be no recognition and appreciation of freedom. For its nature is to live the reaction to threat as necessary and overriding survival.

We each can take an education in the nature of the human condition (ing), so as to live a new choice in place of old habit, or persist to wind the death spiral of a false sense of possession and control.

The monkey trap works by a fixed gourd with a fruit in it. The monkey reaches in and grabs the fruit but the hold in the gourd doesn’t allow retrieving hand and fruit and the monkey wont let go of it.

The mind has different levels. The functional priority is defining of choice or decision. As we set priority, so are we framed or freed to choose again.

The freedom given to the body belongs to Mind. To lockdown the mind in the body is a human ‘normal’ but that does not make it true. The result of invested identity is a mind blindness, for only those options which ‘keep the fruit’ are considered while the ‘fruit’ is invested with the status of ‘too big to fail’. Adapting to failure and learning to love or applaud our condition, is the ‘mind’ of narrative redistribution. We can give precedence to ideas that support the sense of possession and control, by diminishing awareness of fear of pain and loss, so as to become structured BY the structures of old ‘fruit’ and ‘fruit-feuds’ relating to pecking orders of pain and privilege, AS IF we live inside a ‘gourd’ of self-limiting inevitability and a failure assigned irrevocably as guilt (seeking its target).

“Seek you first the Kingdom of Heaven and all things shall be added” is in archaic terms that may be dismissed out of hand by a modern rational thinking model, but for the harmony of an integrated and integrative experience put what is First, first, or else a world in which “Everything is BACKWARDS” reflects an identification in private gain at cost of wholeness of being.

“Everything is BACKWARDS; everything is upside down! Doctors destroy health, Lawyers destroy justice, Universities destroy knowledge, Governments destroy freedom, Major media destroys information, And religions destroy spirituality”.     Michael Ellner

While we can only act from where we are currently aware, the key is not to struggle against the ‘backwards’ and thereby be framed by reaction, but to pause from temptation and in an instant or a willingness of honesty at heart, align in truth.

If fear has overridden, usurped or captured the mind, then there can be a process of stepped release. But if we experience the mindtrap of struggle and futility as the exhausting and dispiriting to rage, powerlessness and despair, we are DOING THIS UNTO OURSELF. Hence the call to pause or stop giving focus to the ‘problem’ as is running a split or dissociative mind and Ground our self to awareness of being. The More of You, is not ‘in the gourd’ and is a wholeness from which perspective restores choices that are denied by ‘fear and the call for fight or flight. Those who have frozen are simply needing love and acceptance. The part of ourself that is frozen is simply needing love and acceptance. The polarising of fear and control is not winnable for each drives the other.

Instead of sacrificing the light to lift the darkness – that then only feeds on and subverts to use to lock down into control, let the darkness be brought to light. Feel what is here, but resist the temptations to enact the old habit, from simple faith in the wholeness of life that you have lived and indeed lives you – but does not coerce.
Freedom is an immeasurable gift, but we can choose to lose awareness for the sake of self-illusion given priority, that then runs as if the power to trap Mind in its own thinking.
Is this ever actually true?
It cannot become truth, but it is a facet of our freedom to experience.
The willingness to release poor choices and open perspective for better outcomes is yielding our right to judge all things to a willingness to reevaluate what we think we know.
Without active willingness, the More of You is un Called on – and discarded while you set your will against the ‘Gourd’ – as if it is generating the force of your or our destruction.

The apocalypse can be seen as arriving at our starting place to know it for the first time.
A world without love is where love comes to die. But this need not be. There is another way of looking at this, ….

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328696 Victoria, 3, #638 of 1551 🔗

Jonathan Van Tam told me people who have been vaccinated may NOT be safe to see grandchildren / return to life as normal as they don’t yet know whether the vaccinated can transmit the virus. They will be protected from illness but the science is not conclusive on transmission


328699 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #639 of 1551 🔗

No trickery here with the vaccinations is there:


Good old BBC.

328754 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Awkward Git, #640 of 1551 🔗

That wasn’t staged at all. Not much.

328702 dpj, replying to dpj, 3, #641 of 1551 🔗

Not seen this shared already. Rather bizarre if true, clearly something strange going on up here

328712 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to dpj, 2, #642 of 1551 🔗

That’s a great spot!

All at around 15%? Anyone who works with statistics would get very worried at that kind of ‘coincidence’.

328725 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Ceriain, 2, #643 of 1551 🔗

Someone should share with Carl Heneghan

328788 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ceriain, 1, #644 of 1551 🔗

Very concerned. Too pat to be true by half.

328766 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to dpj, 2, #645 of 1551 🔗

Yes, has this data been held back or a different testing procedure (2 out of 3 genomes?? Apologies for my ignorance) to justify the mutant strain lie and hysteria.

328703 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #646 of 1551 🔗

Very disappointed to see Daily Mail saying non-mask wearers are the cause of deaths of other in this way. This could cause significant problems for those with exemptions.


328735 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Country Mumkin, 13, #647 of 1551 🔗

This is what concerns me. How much longer before those who wear masks are emboldened to go further than mere verbal abuse.

328742 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 9, #648 of 1551 🔗

Indeed, divide and conquer

328836 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kh1485, 5, #649 of 1551 🔗

Not long. I recommend carrying a long umbrella. Learn to use it, there are plenty of self-defence schools who will teach you how. You can do a lot of damage very quickly to somebody using a brolly.

329740 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nick Rose, #650 of 1551 🔗

Get a John Steed umbrella. Very effective.

328748 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #651 of 1551 🔗

The Daily Mail is utterly disgraceful,they print complete shit that is devoid of context such as ‘981 people died yesterday from Covid’ which will all know is untrue.Given that readers of that so-called newspaper tend to be elderly the constant hysterical pushing of fear propaganda is unforgivable.

328757 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #652 of 1551 🔗

The Mail backed Hitler so will take no lecture from them

328850 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Crystal Decanter, #653 of 1551 🔗

So did Mirror.

328853 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #654 of 1551 🔗

Guardian was founded by a slaver

328870 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to steve_w, #655 of 1551 🔗

Yes, and kept afloat by ‘tax efficient’ sale of Auto Trader through Cayman Islands.

328878 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Country Mumkin, #656 of 1551 🔗

That’s some worrying shit there, but I am so pissed off I am ready to fight.

328705 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #657 of 1551 🔗

asymptomatic infection is biologically implausible ~Dr Michael Yeadon ~

328848 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Victoria, 3, #658 of 1551 🔗

Swiss expert (?) saying the same for a while. Virus has to damage one’s cells to reproduce itself and that produces symptoms as I understand it. Seems logical.

328706 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #659 of 1551 🔗

Professor Hugh Montgomery works one day a week for Alphabet/Google on ‘DeepMind Health’:


328718 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #660 of 1551 🔗

Professor Montgomery can be engaged to speak (presumably for a fee) through the London Speaker Bureau.

328838 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #661 of 1551 🔗

Professors in NHS are on a fantastic deal and free to top it up with private work when a skiing holiday or new Volvo is needed.

328833 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #662 of 1551 🔗

Perfect, physician heal thyself!

328708 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #663 of 1551 🔗

I wonder if Mr “Blood on their hands” @hugh_montgomery could explain this apparent contradiction?


328717 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Victoria, 7, #664 of 1551 🔗

If the GMC were doing their job they’d be reprimanding him for that abominable comment.

328721 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Tenchy, 3, #665 of 1551 🔗

Are there grounds for a member of the public to report his behaviour to his professional body?

328778 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 10, #666 of 1551 🔗

I am going to spend tomorrow putting a complaint against him together. I’ll post it on here when I’ve written it. It’s worth a try. I’m also thinking of putting one in against Chris Whitty for blatant manipulation and falsification of data.

328803 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Dominich, #667 of 1551 🔗

I don’t like the principle of trying to silence speech you dislike, but the simple reality is that it is the norm these days in our culture, from coronapanic dissent to “racism”.

Until that modern norm can be overturned I suppose it’s necessary to fight fire with fire.

328839 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mark, 2, #668 of 1551 🔗

he was shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theatre. its dangerous nonsense

328861 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to steve_w, 5, #669 of 1551 🔗

No, it doesn’t amount to an incitement to immediate violence (I don’t dispute that there are nutters and fanatics about who take violent action against coronapanic dissenters if they think they can get away with it, but he’s still entitled to express his view.

I don’t like it, in fact I despise him for saying it, but unlike the hypocrites of the left I actually do support tolerance, even for opinions I despise and hate.

But we do not live in a country that tolerates dissenting opinions, and so it’s arguably not entirely unreasonable to turn the rules, structures and attitudes that enable that intolerance against the ruling elites.

328856 ▶▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #670 of 1551 🔗

Yes, I think it is certainly worth doing. I’m not sure (Mark) that this is a free speech issue, per se. But more whether his behaviour is in accordance with the code of conduct/ethics of his profession.

328888 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #671 of 1551 🔗

It has nothing to do with free speech when Montgomery is lying.

329014 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #672 of 1551 🔗

If it’s a matter of complaining “about him” to his employers or regulators, in the hope of getting him disciplined or dismissed, or otherwise coercively silenced, then I absolutely do think it’s a free speech issue. By all means complain to him directly or about his comment, generally.

I think claiming it’s a code of conduct/ethics issue is incorrect. I don’t see how him expressing that opinion can honestly be said to be in any way inconsistent with being a doctor unless you take “our side” of the debate for granted and push it to an extreme. Further, if you hold that he should be disciplined for saying this then you have no principled grounds for complaining when coronapanic dissenters are disciplined (which is a lot more common). Your only grounds for complaint would be that they are correct in what they say,. and of course the majority are against you on that, and more importantly in this regard, the vast majority of those in power are against you.

He’s wrong, and his opinion is wrong, dangerous and arguably evil, but it’s not inconsistent with employment as a doctor to hold or express that opinion.

Again, though, I have to return to the fact that in our current culture it is regarded as acceptable to hound people out of employment for holding or expressing dissenting views, so there’s an argument that those wrongful methods should be deployed by all.

Fight fire with fire, but don’t pretend it’s not really hot when your side uses it.

329629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Mark, #673 of 1551 🔗

A couple of comments. Firstly was this idiot speaking as an individual or as a Doctor? As a Doctor he is governed by certain rules as to what he can and cannot say on a public forum. He can say ‘mask wearing is an effective way of protecting others’. He can’t say ‘those who don’t wear masks will have blood on their hands’ without supporting evidence.

Secondly Free Speech stops short of incitement to violence. I believe his comments could be interpreted by the more rabid Branch Covidians as a license to persecute free thinkers.

It was also on the BBC news without any possibility of a counter.

328709 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 15, #674 of 1551 🔗

It’s difficult to say Happy New Year to fellow sceptics with all the latest……just seems to go from bad to worse. Thank goodness we have here to communicate, I would go stir crazy without knowing there are likeminded folk out there the same who are frustrated and struggling with this damn farce. How are we supposed to have any hope for 2021.

328820 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ganjan21, 14, #675 of 1551 🔗

Same here. I go straight to these comments to start the day, just to reassure myself that I’m not alone. My beloved wants a ”covid-free zone” at home – suits me – and I do understand the wish to believe that the government has our good at heart – but it’s a relief to have a rant, and to read others’ rants too!! And informed opinions, which is very reassuring.

328891 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #676 of 1551 🔗

Freedom New Year.

328720 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #677 of 1551 🔗


We are not winning. The virus is psychological.

These people have such glaringly faulty logic. On the one hand they talk about how Schools have no masks, social distancing, sanitiser is in short supply. Schools are death traps essentially.

Then where are the bodies? Yes plenty of cases, and ridiculous unsustainable policies to send entire year groups home for singular cases, but no actual sickness en masse. And it should be given what these heroes are telling us. That doesn’t pierce the armoury of the lockdown lovers.

No, it’s more pain for the kids all in the name of the bleeding hearts and asymptomatic myths. God Covid needs his sacrifice

328727 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #678 of 1551 🔗

It’s complete horse shit and should be the point where most people (not us – we’ve already done that) draw a line in the sand. Having your child treated like a lab rat and firming up the kids kill grannies narrative. Oh hell no!

328732 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #679 of 1551 🔗

My wife is able to claim herself an essential worker but we didn’t use it. She can work from home. This time we will, will not consent any way I can to this madness.

328747 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #680 of 1551 🔗

Some are lost BeBop. That’ll never change. The majority of those who go along with the nonsense can turn and very likely will. The sands of time are running out for the government – on the other hand, we have all the time in the world.

328759 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #681 of 1551 🔗

Yeah, but for my mind it won’t be a reasoned argument that will change their minds. It will almost have to be a man in a white coat or, at the very least, a march of doctors calling out the government. Neither of which seem close to me.

328751 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #682 of 1551 🔗

Its a vicious circle of a blame game. The schools. The pubs (which have only been open for a matter of weeks here since March).

328792 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #683 of 1551 🔗

Again a sign of faulty logic. Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

They need a scapegoat because to think this was all just a game of chasing shadows, being hoodwinked into an illusion of control, is too much to contemplate. If it wasn’t for the summer seasonal drop there would have been zero data to claim lockdown reduces cases

328791 ▶▶ Kat, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #684 of 1551 🔗

It seems to me that young people and the elderly have been the real victims of the Corona scandal. Despite the protestations that the vulnerable are protected, the exact opposite is true. Loneliness and isolation have been particularly acute for the young (students locked down at university or disabled teenagers separated from their parents) and the elderly who even at Christmas have been effectively excluded from mainstream society. Yet people still pretend that this is the only rational policy to pursue.

328829 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #685 of 1551 🔗

A good friend of mine, well educated, successful professional – told me her daughter-in-law (a teacher in Bristol) says that ”the kids are dropping like flies”. And she believed her….. I know – really.

328726 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 11, #686 of 1551 🔗

‘Government to Close Schools Again’

The insanity never ends. Every day we are treated to some recurring announcement. This monstrous regime has enabled one to gain a sharp understanding of how Bill Murray’s character felt in Groundhog Day.

328830 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to common conservative, 1, #687 of 1551 🔗

And STILL people think it’s about a fast-vanishing virus.

328885 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to common conservative, 3, #688 of 1551 🔗

They don’t want children educated. Remember the children of today will be the military police of the future. A cousin was having an entrance exam to a sixth form school and one of the questions was “Justify reason for using military force on their citizens” WTF

328733 Cheezilla, 7, #689 of 1551 🔗

We’ve no chance with this lot in charge!

From Alex Norris’ speech in the debate that ratified the latest Tiers nonsense last night:
Tiers are a symptom, not a cause, of the challenges of the restrictions of liberty we are making today. Tiers are put in place when we lose control of the virus. Some of that can be accounted for by the mutant strain, which is 56% more potent, but the issues existed before then. We needed tiers before that, and tiers that constantly increased in strength, because we do not have the fundamentals right, particularly on test and trace. I implore those Members to apply that level of scrutiny and pressure on their Ministers on that, too, because it would make a real difference.

More hope from Mark Harper:
… Can I look into that point a bit? I thank the Opposition spokesman for giving us so much time to deal with the things we did not have time to deal with in our limited remarks. On the point about looking at the data—I listened carefully to a number of colleagues, and I had this in my constituency—I genuinely do not understand how my constituency was put into tier 3 starting at midnight on Boxing day, and after only three days had elapsed a decision was taken to move it to tier 4. What data had changed? Nothing significant happened between those two dates. Other colleagues went through three tiers in a matter of days. The problem is that that does not engender confidence among our constituents that the decisions are being taken for understandable reasons. Will the Minister say a little bit more about the decision-making process so that we can take that back to our constituents to try to give them a little more confidence?

Interesting reading:

328736 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 25, #690 of 1551 🔗

I was at 2 different main hospitals in 2 different areas the past few days (working) and can categorically state that both were effectively empty.

No queueing ambulances, no bodies lying around, no panic, no stress, no mayhem.

Empty car parks (staff and patient, no ambulances (anyone else notice that the photo the MSM showed of the QE2 hospital in Birmingham the ambulances were parked outside the main entrance, not the A+E entrance?) in and out on blue lights, no-one millinga round, waiting area empty, staff acting normal, staff huddling in the smoking shelters keeping warm and out the wind as best they could and so on.

328744 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #691 of 1551 🔗

My husband had our son at A & E a few days before Christmas and he said it was empty apart from 2 other people in the waiting room. Ambulances outside with the paramedics on their phones or standing about chatting. Car park almost empty as well. Zero signs of a pandemic.

328773 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #692 of 1551 🔗

At our local, serves approx 200,000, one ambulance was needed on Christmas Eve.

328912 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #693 of 1551 🔗

Never let the truth spoil a good story.

328837 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #694 of 1551 🔗

I dropped off my Best Beloved at Worcester Royal the other day, and the ”covid pod” (yeuk) was empty, the car park had plenty of spaces, and inside were very few people. Thank God he caught the selector’s eye so the treatment is continuing.
Anyone else visited their local hospital recently, and noticed the same?

328869 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #695 of 1551 🔗

AG, you’ll get arrested!

329083 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Annie, 2, #696 of 1551 🔗

At least the wife will get some benefits then.

I know one guy, on life parole. Getting an extra £20 a day to feed himself as he is lockded down at home so eating more on top of the social paying his rent and all bills, arranging a part-time job as and when and giving him pocket money to buy drugs..

Young mother my wife met when out with friends could not get anything from a food bank, social refused to pay her anything and her self-employed husband’s business was shutdown and he was refused universal credit.

It’s a fucked up system.

328740 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 13, #697 of 1551 🔗

Back to Dr ‘Blood on their hands’ again. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55479018

Prof Montgomery, who was on shift as he gave the interview to 5 Live, said it was “a great myth” that hospitals are being overwhelmed with elderly people.”The people we are getting are, like the first wave, my age really. I am 58 and I would say half the patients are younger than me. It is middle-aged people or a little bit older that we are getting.”

Hmmm… that’s not what the NHS’s own hospital data says, Doc; certainly not about who is dying.

Source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-30-December-2020.xlsx

Image below shows summaries of all deaths in England hospitals. Things to note:

80+ deaths are increasing (i.e. normal flu winter)
All other groups are decreasing.
Figures only include people who have died in hospital (49,719).
England’s total death figure is 63,298 (a difference of 13,579); the majority likely died in care homes, i.e. probably 80+ in age.

Conclusion: Professor Montgomery is a bullshitter!

328743 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ceriain, 4, #698 of 1551 🔗

These zealots claim “blood on their hands” whilst having Tony Cottager Blair as their champion
Couldn’t make it up

328745 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 15, #699 of 1551 🔗

Surely, if he was so damned busy, he shouldn’t be giving interviews while still on shift.

328762 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ceriain, 11, #700 of 1551 🔗

I’d like this fuckwit to come and tell me that to my face – then there WILL be blood on my hands.

328790 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to vargas99, 8, #701 of 1551 🔗

Simon Dolan says the disgusting comment was removed from the BBC (DM still has the artcle). Quick look at Montgomery’s Twitter reveals he tweets a lot abut climate change – not surprising, is it?

P.S. I’m extremely angry!

I also feel insulted by Jabba Van Tam’s comments about bingo.

328810 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Alice, 1, #702 of 1551 🔗
328862 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ceriain, 2, #703 of 1551 🔗
329730 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ceriain, #704 of 1551 🔗

A rich bullshitter.

328741 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 13, #705 of 1551 🔗

I had a dream centring on the songs from Van Morrison’s Moondance album (the second side, oddly enough) and it seemed a really moving dream. Van of course has been one of the most vocal lockdown sceptics and that album -and his music in general seem to me to be like a message from an earlier and saner time.

He has been demonized throughout the media without anyone having the decency to focus on any of the issues of lockdown scepticism. Instead, we hear that Van is a selfish bastard only wanting to line his own pockets etc. Meanwhile the rest of us don’t have his privileges or money etc. Shameful rabble rousing bullshit.

Rock on Van! (Even if he hates being called a rocker! Perhaps I should say: Rave on!)

328753 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George Mc, 3, #706 of 1551 🔗

Seen him live a few years ago. Superb. This was my standout tune of the evening. https://youtu.be/06-aFAqlA08

328755 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 37, #707 of 1551 🔗

Is anybody else feeling depressed and dejected? After 9 months of the awful killer plague I still don’t know anybody who has died.

328760 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #708 of 1551 🔗

they probably don’t know they’ve had it either

328761 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #709 of 1551 🔗

Mrs Awkward getting more and more depressed and frustrated by the day.

Anger building.

And still don’t know anyone who has died of it and I know a 2 people who spent weeks in hospital before they died recently and never etsted positive nor did a couple of people who went through amjor operations and treatemnts and came out the other end OK.

328768 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Smelly Melly, 18, #710 of 1551 🔗

I just feel a visceral loathing of those in power who have done this and those who go along with it for a quiet life.

328771 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #711 of 1551 🔗

Even my husband who has managed to largely ignore it and be a bit blase about it, is now starting to get really pissed off and seeing it for what it really is.
My Great Uncle passed away a few days ago, he tested positive before christmas but he was 84, has lung cancer, COPD and was very ill for almost a year and having palliative care at home. I dont even trust the tests but he will probably be a Covid death statistic.

328802 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Smelly Melly, 13, #712 of 1551 🔗

Didn’t get to visit the MIL in Scotland this year; caused a great deal of upset to my wife and my kids.

Anyway, ‘The Covid’ was discussed on a Skype call the other evening. Wife’s mum tells me that there are about 40 houses in her square and there was a bit of a ‘mass gathering’ (Xmas drinkies) the other evening where her neighbours were discussing it.

Bear in mind, this is in Central Scotland (South Glasgow area), yet in this square…

No-one knows anyone who has died from it
No-one knows anyone who has had it

But, a couple of families mentioned that they know plenty of people who get tested constantly , including one man and woman who are so obsessed about getting it that they get tested “practically every day”.

Those are the people that keeps the Krankie scam going.

328865 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 3, #713 of 1551 🔗

Tested every day.
My zombie’s got no nose…

328927 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Annie, 1, #714 of 1551 🔗

How does he smell?

329074 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Ceriain, 2, #715 of 1551 🔗

like rotting flesh mainly…

329178 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Ceriain, 1, #716 of 1551 🔗

first sentence – sometimes it’s what you don’t say that means the most!

328806 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #717 of 1551 🔗

I find it boring more than anything. A lot of things closed for the kids. On the upside they play with all the other village kids and its probably better for them.

328841 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #718 of 1551 🔗

Enjoying the subterfuge of sticking it to the Coronatarians every way possible (however small)
The rest of it is wank but keeping as fit mentally and physically as possible

328931 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Smelly Melly, #719 of 1551 🔗

Same on both counts, although not from or with Covid.

328948 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #720 of 1551 🔗

I know two people who tested positive. One is a 65-year-old diabetic. He died and so did all his family, I have blood on my hands. Oh, no, wait… he was fine, tested negative a few days later. The other was my cousin who’s a medical student. She had cold symptoms for a couple of days, then she was fine. I am depressed, dejected, alienated, no longer of this world. I hate the police, the authorities, Parliament, apparently after a number of decades as a social liberal conservative, I am an anarchyst, I am the antiChryst.

329122 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Smelly Melly, #721 of 1551 🔗

Me neither. But a friend of mine told me that his mother had told him how bad the virus was as she ‘knew four people who had died of it”. Yeah, right.

328758 Awkward Git, 3, #722 of 1551 🔗

Jos – in case you don’t go back to comments (I don’t either that much, write, publish and forget), this si my reply to your one about teh link ebtween flu jabs and covid detahs:

Happening now in Mexico from what I understand with people dying from covid 2 or 3 days after getting this year’s flu jab.

So far only anecdotal stories from families three, trying to find a “news” source with it in.

£ from one extended family in 1 week is a bit more than coincidence.

328765 Verity Oran, replying to Verity Oran, 61, #723 of 1551 🔗

Fellow sceptics, I would just like to thank each and everyone one of you for all that you do, both on this site and out and about in ‘virus’ land.

Your contributions this year have made me laugh out loud, made me cry, made me angry, made me think, expanded my vocabulary (both polite and not so polite words), increased my knowledge of science, immunology and statistics. But above all your comments have given me courage, given me hope, given me a sense of community in an increasingly isolated world, and have generally kept me sane.

So I thank each and everyone of you all for your kindness and generosity and most of all your Humanity

329533 ▶▶ zubin, replying to Verity Oran, #724 of 1551 🔗

Beautifully said.

328770 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 25, #725 of 1551 🔗

Ryanair: Jab and Go? How about Fuck and Off.

328775 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Achilles, 3, #726 of 1551 🔗

great marketing, but I doubt o’dreary will be asking for proof of jab to fly

328857 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Major Panic, 1, #727 of 1551 🔗

Dreary is the master of this stuff.

Just free publicty for him.

Clever bugger.

328879 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Major Panic, 3, #728 of 1551 🔗

Wanna bet, he’ll add a surcharge if £10 for every unvaxxed passenger.

328898 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Andrew K, #729 of 1551 🔗

Which island nation is going to be the first to offer the Great Unvaxxed their own airline, hotels and holiday complex? They’ll be able put a mark up of 20% on the price and cash in.

328907 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to OKUK, #730 of 1551 🔗

Every Gov. will shut that down before it even gets going on heath grounds

328905 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Achilles, 2, #731 of 1551 🔗

Never use the fuckers.. Shit airline

328947 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Achilles, #732 of 1551 🔗

He’s missed a trick there. He should have had Barry McGuigan coming out of the shower with the strapline…

Now I just Jab and Go!

328952 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Achilles, #733 of 1551 🔗

Ahh they obviously do not know about virus shedding that takes place after getting a jab – quickest way to get all onboard infected

328953 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Achilles, 1, #734 of 1551 🔗

It’s a pity Ryanair muzzled O’Leary, he used to be quite fun. “£10 gets you a seat with a vaccine, for an extra £5 we throw in an anaesthetic with it so you get to sleep through the whole fucking flight. Fuck British Airways, Ryanair gives you more.”

328772 common conservative, 18, #735 of 1551 🔗

Sort of sums it up, don’t you think?

328776 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 9, #736 of 1551 🔗

I think I mentioned something about next Easter when things would be brighter according to Boris. In fact I think what he said was “things should be brighter on April 5th after Easter”. What I overlooked was the significance of the date, not being after Easter but it is the end of the fiscal year.

328793 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to p02099003, 3, #737 of 1551 🔗

Yes I thought that too. I wonder whether it’s got anything to do with the end of the tax year so that all the millions Johnson, Hancock, Witless, Unbalanced and Pantsdown have made this year due to this scamdemic so no tax will be payable. Something like that any way.

328819 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to p02099003, 7, #738 of 1551 🔗

It also a month away from the local elections on May 6th, Boris wants to ease restrictions in time for those so that he can be seen as a latter day Churchill who defeated Covid and delivered Brexit and many will lap it up and vote conservative as a result.

328832 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #739 of 1551 🔗

no way will I vote for any of the current lot (and that includes the opposition)

need an anti-lockdown party or we’ve got this to look forward to autumn 2021

328949 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #740 of 1551 🔗

Surely he can’t be that deluded. Any credit from Brexit was washed away by letting Ferguson and Hancock put the Midlands and most of the North West under house arrest yesterday. It really hasn’t gone down well.

329071 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Steve Martindale, #741 of 1551 🔗

no chance! it’d take take more than a month off the naughty step to counteract a full year’s worth of CCP strongarm tactics…

328826 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to p02099003, 1, #742 of 1551 🔗

Getting excited about all the money from the wealth tax perhaps?

328876 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to p02099003, 5, #743 of 1551 🔗

I wonder what horrible surprises they have for the new tax year. They will probably announce that they’ll be a wind full tax on of 20% on all savings above a certain threshold. Council tax will be allowed to go up by 50%. This isn’t about raising money, it’s the next phase to make people poor and take away your assets. Remember

“You will own nothing, are be happy”

328884 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Andrew K, 1, #744 of 1551 🔗

That’s the Quote of the Year as far as I am concerned – without the typo it is “You will own nothing, but you will be happy.” Only if you’ve been injected with the Mr Happy Vaccine!

328954 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to p02099003, #745 of 1551 🔗

Surely the significance of April 5th is that it’s Easter Monday, thus giving them free rein to cancel Easter for the second year running (with heavy hearts of course) should they think it’s “necessary”?

328781 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 4, #746 of 1551 🔗

Perhaps the Left aren’t as dumb as they seem (because no-one could be). Perhaps they are fully aware that COVID is a heap of steaming shite. But it’s necessary shite to dispossess the affluent West of their imperialist luxuries, bring the entire planet down to the level of the super exploited global south …and then what? As Blackadder’s Baldrick once said, we do nothing, wait till our heads have been cut off …and then spring into action as headless chickens do!

328795 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to George Mc, 3, #747 of 1551 🔗

Neo Liberals
not the Left – however many are collaborators for some reason

328843 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Crystal Decanter, #748 of 1551 🔗

What, “neoliberals” like Jeremy Corbyn?

“Neoliberalism” seems to be just a term embraced as a code by old leftists who refused to accept the very evident failure and subsequent defeat of the specifically economic ownership aspect of their state socialist public ownership model in the 1970s (one reason they are usually fanatically obsessive about Margaret Thatcher), and proceeded to define any leftist who declined to share their denial as “not really leftist”.

328855 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Mark, #749 of 1551 🔗

“Neoliberalism” was the term for the ferocious “no alternative” privatisation that started with Thatcher and Reagan. Since that has clearly failed, the rulers are adopting a new tack: the “no alternative” fight against COVID.

328842 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to George Mc, 2, #750 of 1551 🔗

Yes. When Covid first came on the scene in the USA they were playing down its dangers, recommending that we hug a Chinese person and that we carry on patronising restaurants in Chinatown. Then someone pushed a different button and the Left went into full plague mode.

Essentially there is now what ai call a globalist alliance of PC billionaires, the CCP, the finance sector, Islamic entities, the mainstream Left, Greens and the Far Left. That might sound like a strange and untenable alliance but remember Stalin’s Russia, Chinese Communists, hyper-capitalist USA, monarchies, democracies, authoritarian right wing regimes and old Empires (Britain, French and the Dutch) also formed an alliance in WW2.

The catalyst for formation of the Globalist Alliance was really the rise in populism from 2015 onwards.

328872 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to OKUK, -1, #751 of 1551 🔗

To my mind population rose as a response to all of the above. People were (are) sick of mass immigration and idenitity politics that have been pushed by various factions of the above.

328881 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #752 of 1551 🔗

In the USA, the wholesale and unnecessary exportation of millions of industrial jobs was also an important catalyst.

329735 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to OKUK, #753 of 1551 🔗

Nancy Pelosi was accusing Trump of being racist. Then she changed her mind and became one herself.

328787 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 2, #754 of 1551 🔗

Today’s Safeism Cringe. This’ll dose you right up:


It’s genuine.

328818 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to common conservative, 6, #755 of 1551 🔗

Thanks. Makes me even more determined not to wear a mask so I can differentiate myself from those twats.

328799 Alan P, replying to Alan P, 18, #756 of 1551 🔗

Just completed a survey sent to me by the BBC asking for rating their “service” and for feedback, comments, etc.

Boy, do I feel better!!!

328816 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Alan P, 1, #757 of 1551 🔗

I hope you didn’t let off any micro-aggressions, you may soon have armed plod battering your door down.

PS, if you enjoyed that one, here is another that someone posted a couple of weeks back…

Most satisfying.

328894 ▶▶ iane, replying to Alan P, 1, #758 of 1551 🔗

I’m guessing that whoever looks over your comments will not be feeling better!

328809 George Mc, 17, #759 of 1551 🔗

The uppermost reaches of the COVID ministry of truth were getting irate and issued a memo:

“Cracks are starting to appear. Some of those peasants are starting to actually think. We knew it was too early to unleash Project Voodoo from South Africa. And now some stupid bitch has revealed what’s really going on in the hospitals I.e. sweet fuck all! How did she get past the recorded loops of dying screams? You must step up your shitless campaign. No pop music at all now! Just endless broadcasts about how everyone in the world has just died and will keep dying every day until enough have succumbed to our lousy stinking vax!”

328811 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 4, #760 of 1551 🔗

Can we make this one grow a bit more quickly? (I’m not on InYourFacebook or Twatter) but I’m trying to spread the word.)

328825 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Banjones, 2, #761 of 1551 🔗

It will just get removed, like all the other petitions that don’t fit the narrative. There have been many over the course of the year.

It’s a pile of utter wank (the censorship etc, not the petition/s)

328938 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Banjones, #762 of 1551 🔗

Nullify non-disclosure agreements/gagging orders for NHS staff for covid-19

Pass legislation to make null and void any non-disclosure agreements or gagging orders, irrespective of when entered into, when related to covid-19 (sars-cov-2), and to protect any staff who speak out. Apply to all current and former employees, directly or indirectly employed by the NHS.


328959 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Banjones, 1, #763 of 1551 🔗

Just saw this further down the page. Thanks BlueYonder

Professor Hugh Montgomery works one day a week for Alphabet/Google on ‘DeepMind Health’:

328997 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Banjones, #764 of 1551 🔗

Just tried to sign that, but no button appeared when I filled my details in! Anyone else had problems signing this?

328814 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 20, #765 of 1551 🔗

if Professor Hugh “I am watching whole families getting wiped out here, and it’s got to stop.” Montgomery is right then he is treating his patients wrong. Must be the worst doctor in existence. Unless when he says ‘families’ he means a 90 year old married couple and if by ‘wiped out’ he means ‘excessively tired’

328822 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to steve_w, 5, #766 of 1551 🔗

Perhaps he means in his private practice amongst the well heeled Vitamin D challenged.

328944 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to steve_w, #767 of 1551 🔗

Great post. So true they fail to treat these patients properly and rather let them die

They also fail to consider best practice such as the following:

Critical Care COVID-19 Management Protocol

328996 ▶▶ DavidDLM, replying to steve_w, 5, #768 of 1551 🔗

Have already complained to the BBC regarding this article, saying it was scaremongering and rabble rousing and could lead to the BBC having ‘blood on its hands’ if people exempt from wearing masks are attacked. I know it won’t make much difference but everyone should do the same.

328815 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 16, #769 of 1551 🔗

Just to prove the censorship if you speak out about the narrative.
I have been censored for saying these comments. From my favourite scumbag local rag website.

I had to screenshot it.

Utter Cunts.

The article in question here.


328940 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #770 of 1551 🔗

Anything about asymptomatic spread, negativity about the vaccine, questions about Whitty or Sage will be taken down. Absolutely blitzed the Commies this morning on my local one about the failure of CCP lockdown round the world, have to stop myself it can be addictive fun like Twitter. Conspiracy theories, attention seeker, low intelligence, heard them all a thousand times before. Never anything new or original from the Trinity Mirror, Guardian or Twitter Commies.

They don’t see the right to any opinion that isn’t theirs. Just like the BBC

328963 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to nottingham69, #771 of 1551 🔗

Agree with you on that nottingham69, Add Reach PLC to the list you mentioned.

329062 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #772 of 1551 🔗

I had a similar experience posting comments to my local rag. You may not be able to live up to your username “MustNotGetBanned” 🙂

328817 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #773 of 1551 🔗

“I don’t believe we have the evidence on any of the vaccines to be confident that it’s going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on”, says WHO Chief Scientist @doctorsoumya

328828 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #774 of 1551 🔗

So it’s NOT a vaccine, then, is it?

328831 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 7, #775 of 1551 🔗

paracetemol would have been cheaper

328886 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to steve_w, 4, #776 of 1551 🔗

Think it’s a bit better than that… Say Flu strength Lemsip.

328867 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ceriain, 2, #777 of 1551 🔗

That’s correct it isn’t. I wonder if they can be sued for claiming it is.

328846 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #778 of 1551 🔗

So what is it going to do?

328859 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to DanClarke, 4, #779 of 1551 🔗

Allegedly it protects you but the side effects can include the symptoms of Covid…which I expect could cause death among the very elderly and frail.

328863 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 4, #780 of 1551 🔗

All its certainly going to make some people very rich, which I think is one of the prime reasons for this Scamdemic.

328901 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #781 of 1551 🔗

Make up for the EU scam cash they’ve been getting all these years.

328864 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to DanClarke, 3, #782 of 1551 🔗

make you feel better so you go out and infect people

328824 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #783 of 1551 🔗

peak infectivity in this ‘3rd wave’ was back on 18th Dec

from zoe covid app

328942 ▶▶ PFD, replying to steve_w, #784 of 1551 🔗

I think the plot is rate of change of daily infections. It won’t peak until the rate of change is less than zero. What it does show is that there is a slowing in the rate of growth of new infections.

328834 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #785 of 1551 🔗

Interesting read:


Few snippets:

  • As with any vaccine, COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 may not fully protect all those who receive it.
  • No data are currently available in individuals with a weakened immune system or who are taking chronic treatment that suppresses or prevents immune responses.
  • Pack size: 195 vials – so where does the 975 come into it as they are not divisible and get a whole number as a result?
  • The vaccine is a white to off-white solution – so why are the jobs I see are clear fluid? I know it’s diluted but a milky solution takes a hell of a lot of dilution to end up perfectly clear.
  • Manufacturer(s) BioNTech Manufacturing GmbH – t”he Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have signed a pact with the company, making an initial equity investment of $55 million to develop vaccine and immunotherapy candidates to prevent HIV and tuberculosis. Total funding under the deal could hit $100 million, via potential grant funding from the foundation, BioNTech said” – from Sept 2019

And look when they started putting together the vaccine:

“We started a unique clinical development program, Project Lightspeed, for a COVID-19 vaccine in January 2020

328852 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #786 of 1551 🔗

Points taken! But 975 is 5×195.

329067 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to OKUK, #787 of 1551 🔗

My bad maths – my calc said 4.07.

Brain gone to mush.

328866 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #788 of 1551 🔗

1 vial is 5 vaccination doses

328991 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to p02099003, 2, #789 of 1551 🔗

The vial is supposed to be divided into 5 doses as the above comment says, but under strict aseptic, sterile conditions. Not sure if the idea that this task should be
delegated to Tesco shelf stackers inspires confidence – (no offence intended to Tesco staff,always courteous and helpful in our local store )- but it does mean, IMO, another down tick for that particular vaccine .

329019 ▶▶ TC, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #790 of 1551 🔗

Thanks for the post
.1. While I am still presumably considered high risk taking an immunosupressant (methotrexate), there has been no trialling of people with similar prescribed medication.Yet, HMG pushes/will push me to take a vaccine?
2.More interesting was the search for a vaccine starting in January (like I thnk the PCR test was adapted cor SARS -Cov 2). I will maintain that I probably had Covid in late October 2019 after a week in exotic West Yorkshire after which I was diagosed with “a bit of pneumonia”. Maybe some people knew earlier what was to happen?
One thing I am sure about is that we are not told the truth.

328845 chaos, replying to chaos, #791 of 1551 🔗


They turned the comments off early.. surprised they turned them on at all at The Daily Guardianograph…..

328854 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to chaos, #792 of 1551 🔗

They’re working at the moment.

328847 Bella Donna, 9, #793 of 1551 🔗

WOW. Great news about visitors to the site! It shows how badly needed it is!

328851 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 2, #794 of 1551 🔗

The social experiment seems to be that if you shut your doors to the world, NZ, you can all live happily with freedom and without destroying lives and livelihoods, don’t know how it would work with a population the size of the UK but that seems to be the message they are putting out.

328873 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DanClarke, 1, #795 of 1551 🔗

Who knows? BE interesting to see what overall mortality is like.

328922 ▶▶ Will, replying to DanClarke, 2, #796 of 1551 🔗

And I think the UK requires roughly 10,000 lorries a day to maintain itself, whereas NZ is completely self sufficient, 2000 miles from it’s nearest neighbour and was hardly touched by covid unlike the UK where there were an estimated 1300 different sources of initial infection. We were truly riddled with the disease well before we even knew.

328975 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Will, 1, #797 of 1551 🔗

Well, New Zealand is full of sheep.

Makes it easier.

328982 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Will, #798 of 1551 🔗

In the long run we may be grateful for that .
For many millenia the inhabitants of the Americas were isolated from Eurasia, the source of numerable nasty pathogens. Then Europeans, riddled with disease, landed and, as the sad exhibit in the Museum in Cheyenne(US) says 90% of Plains Indians died, mainy from smallpox, polio, respiratory disease.

329057 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to DanClarke, 1, #799 of 1551 🔗

If you shut your country off from the world, are you really living with freedom? The NZ comparison always annoys me. Maybe if you towed the UK off to the middle of the South Pacific and got rid of 90% of the population, we could be just like them. Not to mention they are in summer at the moment. Will they still be at “zero-covid” when they move into autumn/winter? A more valid comparision would be to compare the UK to similar sized European nations such as Italy, Spain, France or Germany but doing that means that the case for lockdowns pretty much falls apart.

329116 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to DanClarke, 1, #800 of 1551 🔗

Is NZ going to stay shut to outsiders for ever? Surely the minute they let anyone in from outside they are going to find that their population is going to be susceptible to covid and anything else because they will have no immunity at all.
A country of 5m people, been there years ago and liked it, I wonder how many jobs in their tourism industry have just disappeared with no likelihood of them coming back. I would guess they have lost between 50000 and 100000 jobs and all for by their own statistics 25 deaths and less than 2000 “cases”, figures from a month or two back, so may not be totally accurate, but you get the picture.
Still St Jacinta must think thats a bargain.

328890 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tiberius, 2, #802 of 1551 🔗

for every tutting zelot there is a bunch of people just been educated with the fact – publicity good

328926 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Major Panic, 1, #803 of 1551 🔗

I need to remember this. Thanks. Too often I think they should know by now surely but its clear many can live in ignorance right up to the point that they lose their job or have a jab forced on them

328892 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tiberius, 5, #804 of 1551 🔗

Well done, Lucy Allan. I only wish she’d actually do the right thing when it comes to voting. I’m sick of her making sceptical noises but bottling it. The perpetually/ professionally offended are just coming out in their droves as usual – covid must be a real gift in this respect.

328899 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Tiberius, 8, #805 of 1551 🔗

What a typical one sided article. I note that the 47 year old asthmatic says usually twice a year she picks up some sort of related illness and is unwell. Does she normally spend most of her life hiding away and expecting everyone else to do the same to stop this happening or is it just covid that scares her? Asthma is very serious and I know people who suffer from it and they could die at any time if they get a really serious attack but they normally try to get on with their lives.

328871 Paul, replying to Paul, 34, #806 of 1551 🔗

I spoke to a chap at the local takeaway yesterday,

chap – Are you ready for it ?
Me – Eh,what ?
Chap – the new year,got to be better than this one
Me – I can’t see how
Chap – Yeah,it’s a bit mad aint it ?.

Ah,a fellow sceptic I thought,I was soon proved wrong.

Me – another pointless lockdown from tomorrow then
Chap – they don’t work,they don’t do them properly,they should fine or lock -up anybody that leaves their house for anything but work or food,they should have a very strict lockdown until the covid is gone.
Me – they might as well bloody shoot us all now and get it done with
The chap just laughed.
Chap – schools should be shut,kids mix and then go home and spread the covid.

At that point after using the usual well rehearsed anti lockdown facts I gave up,he wasn’t hearing me at all,he was a full time covid cult member,he was talking at me,repeating the propaganda he’d heard on the telly,he genuinely seemed to think I was agreeing with him !.
I was glad to get in my house and shut the door,it is becoming quite scary out there with the zombies.

328875 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Paul, 18, #807 of 1551 🔗

Why don’t these people do the right thing and barricade themselves into their houses? Nothing to stop them from having their own household lockdown if they are convinced that is what is needed – surely there are enough of the self-righteous to make an impact on the numbers that they are so convinced by… don’t they want to save just one life through their selflessness?

328925 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, 12, #808 of 1551 🔗

Exactly what is he doing out and about? It’s probably never been his fault. It’s kids. They need to stop kids being kids then we can all stop treating people like kids and and get back to normal

328945 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Paul, 11, #809 of 1551 🔗

Thanks for this, if somebody from now on says there should be a full lockdown with nobody allowed to leave their home. I will say

“Well feck off back home and hide behind your sofa then and leave real life to us non betwetters you fecking moron”

329034 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Andrew K, 3, #810 of 1551 🔗

Deep down, they know lockdowns are a bad thing. Therefore, if they’re scared enough to want to lock themselves up, everything else has to suffer too. They wouldn’t want other people enjoying themselves when they can’t!

328883 Natalie Shay, replying to Natalie Shay, #811 of 1551 🔗

Can anyone watch this and tell me if it’s worth it?
I cannot look at Matt Hancock’s face without having a turn.
YouTube Body Language Video Matt Hancock

329036 ▶▶ Janice, replying to Natalie Shay, 1, #812 of 1551 🔗

I know how you feel but it’s well worth watching.

329100 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Natalie Shay, #813 of 1551 🔗

I have watched it and, yes, it is probably worth your while. The presenter himself makes astute and convincing observations and even says that he himself had trouble watching Hancock’s fakery! Confirms that Hancock is a fraud and a liar.

328887 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 30, #814 of 1551 🔗

Away from the gloom and doom, just for a minute.

One for all the BBC fans here; and I know there are many. 😉

A friend I have believes everything they say, so they got a nice mug for Christmas; I treated myself, too. (image below)

Normally the evil empire (Amazon) has lots of fun stuff with “Is that true? or did you see it on the BBC News?” Strangely, though, this year it all seems to have disappeared; can’t think why. I did find one mug on there; delivery was from China and they wanted 25 quid for it.

Luckily, I found someone here in Albion selling them, on sale at £7 + £3p&p. Customer service was great; the owner (Paul) seems a great guy, both friendly and helpful.

Give him a visit at https://www.muggsey.com/ Tell Paul the Scottish bloke from Muswell Hill sent you.

Hope this isn’t against the rules; British businesses like this need all the help they can get right now.

328893 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ceriain, 1, #815 of 1551 🔗

Where can I buy one of those mugs?

328916 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Andrew K, 1, #816 of 1551 🔗

Link is in the post, mate. 😉

328924 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ceriain, 4, #817 of 1551 🔗

Sorry 9 months of being stuck indoors has made me brain dead

329018 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Ceriain, 1, #818 of 1551 🔗

Managed to find the link hidden in the post and duly bought a mug for the wife.
Cheers for the tip.

328978 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ceriain, #819 of 1551 🔗

I shall be purchasing one for my mother in law.

329230 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to Ceriain, 2, #820 of 1551 🔗

Ideal gift for Naga Munchetty.

329975 ▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Ceriain, #821 of 1551 🔗

Just ordered 2 of these

328889 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 6, #822 of 1551 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9101823/Couple-arrested-attacking-three-police-officers-stopped-not-wearing-masks.html -now remind me what was the police reaction when protesters were toppling statues in Bristol

328913 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to arfurmo, 2, #823 of 1551 🔗

He was passive when they sprayed him (and others) with CS… illegal

He was held in an illegal choke hold around the neck

For ‘released under investigation’ read ‘we fucked up’

328896 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 29, #824 of 1551 🔗

If masks worked then nine months in surely all the non mask wearers would be dead by now wouldn’t they?

329213 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 2, #825 of 1551 🔗

No, no, no, the mask wearers are selflessly saving us from their disgusting miasma.

328900 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #826 of 1551 🔗

Welcoming in 2021…

328920 ▶▶ jos, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #827 of 1551 🔗

Say no or no say

328904 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, #828 of 1551 🔗

Here’s Tony Blair’s announcement for us all… Global Takeover is happening NOW.


He looks VERY stressed in this video.

328915 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #829 of 1551 🔗

I’ll give it a miss, not a big fan of child killers

328929 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 40, #830 of 1551 🔗

Today on the BBC Website there was a story from a ‘NHS ICU Doctor’ accusing anyone who does not religiously follow the ‘rules’ of having blood on their hands.

This was repeated on the 11am News broadcast.

I am personally offended by this and have complained to the BBC. I also feel there are grounds to feel this may well amount to incitement and may make rabid Covidians verbally or physically attack independent thinkers. I don’t know who I would report this to.

328934 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to eastender53, 14, #831 of 1551 🔗

Me too. As I said earlier, this potentially gives the green light to those rabid mask-wearers to go further than mere abuse.

328939 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to kh1485, 1, #832 of 1551 🔗

Sorry if I missed earlier comments.

328957 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to eastender53, 13, #833 of 1551 🔗

I concur with what you are saying. And, what happens if someone gets beaten up because they are not wearing a mask as a result of what this idiot has said. Will he, as you say, be guilty of incitement and will the police actually come to the assistance of someone being targetted in such a way. As things stand, it looks like they wouldn’t.

328972 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to kh1485, 16, #834 of 1551 🔗

It seems a perfect example of a statement liable to lead to a hate crime, since it accuses people of murder or manslaughter without any evidence whatsoever .
That the BBC should persistently repeat it makes them an accessory.
Surely the Police should investigate and place Montgomery and the relevant BBC producrs under arrest for both breach of public order ( as per the photographer of empty hospitals) and inducement to hate crime.
How can they not take action?

329236 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to kh1485, 2, #835 of 1551 🔗

Foetida Dick hasn’t been, and she said it back before mask-day in July.

328941 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to eastender53, 11, #836 of 1551 🔗

The guy is an idiot, I don’t care if he’s a doctor and saving lives.

He’s basically saying if you wear a mask and kill somebody then you’re forgiven.

328946 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to eastender53, 6, #837 of 1551 🔗

The British Establishment actively promoting physical and verbal attacks on non-mask wearers yet again.

No doubt softening up the population for social exclusion and camps next year for people who refuse the still experimental vaccines and the roll out of the new social credits system.

The Civil Service and BBC, both corrupt and evil institutions seeking to destroy British society from within.

328950 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to eastender53, 8, #838 of 1551 🔗

It is a discipline matter for a medical professional to tell untruths

Highly unlikely that his assertion that whole families have died is the truth. If it was true the dictatorship would be screaming it from the rooftops

Your complaint should be addressed to The General Medical Council

328956 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to eastender53, 6, #839 of 1551 🔗

I would welcome any having a pop at me, bring it on. Not worn a muzzle but as yet not a word has been said.

329038 ▶▶ dommo, replying to eastender53, 7, #840 of 1551 🔗

he’s obviously a total cunt and totally unable to see his own inherent hypocrisy – has he never heard of “nosocomial infection”??? the nhs’ own hands are dripping with the blood of every patient that’s caught covid in hospital and died…

329053 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to dommo, 4, #841 of 1551 🔗

As well as the blood of many, many other preventable deaths, ‘temporarily paused’ cancer treatments, refused screenings; like this poor guy mentioned the other day, to give just one eg:

328936 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 12, #842 of 1551 🔗

We don’t know that the vaccine will stop onward transmission of the virus, it may well do so but only time will tell.

So what it supposedly does is reduce the symptoms of the virus which should reduce the overall mortality.

But people are falling over themselves to get vaccinated so they may get lesser symptoms than they otherwise might have (most people get minor or no symptoms remember) and on top of that want it to be mandatory and also want freedom passes.

On the off chance that the vaccine may offer some sort of immunity, which it may not.

If people want laws made on such wishy washy bases then they really don’t deserve to be deciding anything for themselves.

328968 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #843 of 1551 🔗


Overall mortality is now more or less normal and no-one but us is using that as a measure so it’s irrelevant in the mainstream court of opinion/thinking

329013 ▶▶ John P, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #844 of 1551 🔗




329044 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to John P, 2, #845 of 1551 🔗

You are preaching to the converted here. Because of the doubts that the “vaccines” will confer immunity and prevent onward transmission, many here will decline it and do not consider it a vaccine in the traditional, or strictly medical, sense.
Your argument is not with us but with the media and the Govt, all of whom call these teatments vaccines and give the impression to the general population that the treatments will both prevent further infection to the individual and drastically bring down the Ro.
It is the BBC and the Govt that constantly broadcast that the treatments are true vaccines and any contrary opinion is disallowed so naturally people talk of these treatments as vaccines. Those institutions for whom they may have a lingering respect are constantly telling them that.
Shout at the BBC, not us.

328937 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 31, #846 of 1551 🔗

Herein lies the problem:-

Lockdowns work = BULLSHIT
Asymptomatic spread = BULLSHIT
Positive PCR proof of COVID infection = BULLSHIT
School Children are superspreaders = BULLSHIT
Mutant Strain only recently isolated = BULLSHIT
Mutant Strain more dangerous = BULLSHIT
Mask works = BULLSHIT
COVID is worse than flu = BULLSHIT
2 metre distance = BULLSHIT
10pm Curfew = BULLSHIT
Sweden’s approach has not worked = BULLSHIT
Hospitals are at breaking point = BULLSHIT
Vaccine is the only cure available = BULLSHIT
Vaccine only way to achieve herd immunity = BULLSHIT
Vaccine will return normality = BULLSHIT

The problem with shit is when you throw enough of it about eventually some of it sticks and that’s the beauty of propoganda. My family whilst mild sceptics will consistently throw out one or two points from the above list that you are then immediately on the backfoot to debunk.

328967 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #847 of 1551 🔗

Instead of feeling you need to debunk what they throw at you, ask them for evidence for their claims

328985 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, #848 of 1551 🔗

they will cite the media no doubts. Unfortunately, if I don’t provide anything to counter that this is what they will believe.

329001 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #849 of 1551 🔗

Probably – everyone says the big boy told them to do it

I suppose you could accuse them of not being able to think for themselves

329021 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, #850 of 1551 🔗

I always remind them that they are misinformed if they only get their news from the media. It’s tough negotiating these conversations like walking a tightrope at times.

329003 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to JHUNTZ, #851 of 1551 🔗

Still better than my family.

329022 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to DRW, #852 of 1551 🔗

I feel your pain you’ve got it tough. Cracks appearing yet?

329029 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to JHUNTZ, #853 of 1551 🔗

Sadly no. Their MSM belief is too strong.

329120 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to DRW, -1, #854 of 1551 🔗

It’s a tough nut to crack

329030 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #855 of 1551 🔗

That is a stunning list. And the only one not provable with current data and research is the final one.

329118 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to TheBluePill, #856 of 1551 🔗

Yeah, I was in two minds about the last but I think there is enough evidence to suggest no return to normal.

328955 PFD, replying to PFD, 3, #857 of 1551 🔗

Just received from my employer:

  • Anyone who is coming back to campus – staff or students – will be required to be tested for Covid-19 via the University’s rapid testing programme before engaging with activities on campus – this includes all staff and Postgraduate Researchers

Is this legal?

328961 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to PFD, 4, #858 of 1551 🔗


328965 ▶▶▶ PFD, replying to Cecil B, 3, #859 of 1551 🔗

I thought not since testing is a medical procedure and requires informed consent. If there is anyone here versed in employment law it would be useful to have some further clarification.

329043 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to PFD, 3, #860 of 1551 🔗

I’m no Lawyer (unless you count legal knowledge gleaned from reruns of Murder She Wrote) but the Nuremberg principles, enshrined via the UNESCO declaration on bioethics & human rights state [article 6]: “ Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.”

329131 ▶▶▶▶▶ PFD, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #861 of 1551 🔗

Thank you for this. The requirement has now been rescinded and it is voluntary.

328966 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PFD, 4, #862 of 1551 🔗

Bad for any staff or students that need to be on campus

Uni students I know have not been to campus since March because there’s bugger all going on and you have to wear a mask

Unis are effectively online only, nothing social or sporting since March

328974 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Julian, 7, #863 of 1551 🔗

Government should give all students a refund for the period since March. The whole University experience has been mis-sold.

328988 ▶▶ PFD, replying to PFD, 1, #864 of 1551 🔗

Apparently it is legal!

329049 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to PFD, 1, #865 of 1551 🔗

I too am employed by a University and have today received an email stating students need to be tested before returning to campus but have stopped short of testing staff.

328958 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 18, #866 of 1551 🔗

Just received a missive from my son’s school, this part caught my eye:

We are currently putting in place the necessary arrangements, following the Government’s plans, to offer every child of secondary age a lateral flow covid test from the start of term and then weekly. As soon as we have more information about how this will work we will contact you to let you know about the arrangements and to seek consent. Please note it will not be mandatory for students to have a covid test in order to come into school.

Obviously the Government’s going to start with the softly-softly approach of not making it mandatory in order to “boil the frog” slowly. Hope you’re all going to say no, if this is offered to your kids.

They are not going to stop are they? We’re not going be to let out until we’re all barcoded and have a Government-approved stamp to be allowed out into the world again.

328970 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to zacaway, 6, #867 of 1551 🔗

Its a total infringement, what a country we are turning into

329228 ▶▶ CGL, replying to zacaway, 2, #868 of 1551 🔗

I have had this already. I am sending a (long!) email explaining all the flaws and frauds in the system, and telling them in no uncertain terms that no unqualified staff will be sticking a foot long cotton bud up my kids noses. Bastards.

Here is a link to an open letter from the UK Medical Freedom Alliance (includes Dr Claire Craig):-

328969 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #869 of 1551 🔗

Lol….this will probably get taken down. I have not commented on it yet either.


It’s reporting on a group that is wanting people to film the hospitals in Edinburgh, to show how they are not actually full. Yet the scummy Edinburgh live rag is obviously against this.

328973 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #870 of 1551 🔗

Belfast Live is just as bad as well. All in cahoots to fit the narrative.

328971 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #871 of 1551 🔗

Listen to video

NHS Nightingale decommissioned! Did ⁦ @MattHancock deliberately mislead MPs & on media yesterday? It’s not on standby, nor being readied. NHS media now confirmed its been dispersed. Why did he let it go, given his 2nd wave worries? Shocking waste taxpayers cash.


328993 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Victoria, 11, #872 of 1551 🔗

Hancock’s lies have been evident from day 1 and are becoming more and more blatant. What I want to know is how and why he is being allowed to get away with it unchallenged. In any other era any such single lie would have led to resignation or sacking.

329061 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #873 of 1551 🔗

very true – so who/what is protecting him, and why?

329095 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to dommo, 3, #874 of 1551 🔗

If only we knew. With that information I think this complete scam would be over very, very quickly. What is so frustrating is that there are too many supine journalists out there not publicly asking the right questions of the likes of Hancock and others when they get the chance. The live (I wonder if they are genuinely live or have a few minutes delay in transmission?) press Q&As after the ridiculous televised government statements would be a perfect opportunity for any journalist of integrity. The questions are clearly vetted and selected beforehand and, even with that, the PM and sidekicks still don’t answer the questions.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if one of the journalists actually substituted a non-preplanned question which put the PM et al on the spot? Wouldn’t it have been a sight to behold if someone had bothered to ask Hancock the simple question of why he lied about the death of his ‘step-grandfather’ who wasn’t his step grandfather, was actually of the same line of relationship to him as a distant uncle by marriage (not a grandparent) would be, and was barely known to him? Of course it will never happen – the very small number of specifically selected so-called journalists are just government stooges.

329108 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #875 of 1551 🔗

indeed – there is obviously some kind of blanket ban on reporting in place (do they still have “D Notices”?). it may not seem directly related (although it almost certainly is) but the bbc and MSM has not uttered a single word about what is currently going on in the USA, when it is clearly one of the most newsworthy events in living memory. again, who/what is behind that, and why? unfortunately, my sneaking suspicion is that we’re better off not knowing – the answer may make a seasonal “flu-like illness” seem like a walk in the park by comparison…

329501 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dommo, #876 of 1551 🔗

Possibly they’ve simply told the press that if they don’t stick to the pre-scripted questions, their company won’t be allowed to attend the meetings in future.

329056 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Victoria, #877 of 1551 🔗

Nah, that’s Dennis Waterman.

328976 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #878 of 1551 🔗

Not everyone that is quiet is complicit or cowardly. Look at this. it is EXCELLENT….


328980 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #879 of 1551 🔗
328979 Victoria, 9, #880 of 1551 🔗

Asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19 didn’t occur at all, study of 10 million finds
 Only 300 asymptomatic cases in the study of nearly 10 million were discovered, and none of those tested positive for COVID-19.


Covid-19: Tests on students are highly inaccurate, early findings show BMJ 2020 ; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4941&nbsp ; (Published 23 December 2020)


328983 Victoria, 5, #881 of 1551 🔗

Sent to parents

NHS Test & Trace

How to do Your test

while this is a self swab test there will be a testing helper who will oversee things and provide help if you need

328987 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 18, #882 of 1551 🔗

Just done a quick online search for Prof Hugh Montgomery and within a minute I found a connection with the Gates Foundation, world health and climate change.

I wonder if Montgomery thinks that Gary Lineker, Piers Morgan, Kay Burley et al have blood on their hands.

328989 ▶▶ PFD, replying to Biggles, 8, #883 of 1551 🔗

Another scientist activist then.

328994 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Biggles, 4, #884 of 1551 🔗

Let’s not forget Prof Ferguson’s cross London Shagathon. He must have blood on something…

329205 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to OKUK, 1, #885 of 1551 🔗

The bird with the impressive tits visited him I think.

329000 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Biggles, 5, #886 of 1551 🔗

I feel sure that Marianna Spring, the BBC’s Specialist Reporter on Disinformation will be investigating his bogus claims and conspiracy theories very shortly. This sort of disinformation can split families and make people ignore sensible precautions eg not letting yourself get obese.

329006 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #887 of 1551 🔗

I’m glad Marianna is highlighting the problem by posting on her twitter account lots of photos of very fat people who have contracted Covid and fallen seriously ill. Not many journalists are brave enough to do that. Most tend to show photos of the victims from 30 years ago before they got morbidly obese.

329009 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Biggles, 10, #888 of 1551 🔗

If you’re a fellow Globalist, Technocrat or Freemason / Satanist you are quickly forgiven for hypocrisy. Rules only apply to normal citizens.

328990 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #889 of 1551 🔗

LibDems. Dim Libs.

328995 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, -1, #890 of 1551 🔗

Ad on NFL Fox. Now you can buy Smart Beds.

328998 Victoria, 9, #891 of 1551 🔗

Schools and childcare settings: return in January 2021 Updated 30 December 2020


——- Now the MASSIVE focus on asymptomatic testing ——-

Coronavirus (COVID-19) asymptomatic testing in schools and colleges Published 15 December 2020

Schools and colleges should make clear to staff and pupils that a negative test result does not remove the risk of transmission. In some cases, someone who has tested negative may still have the undetected disease and be infectious. It is therefore essential that everyone continues to follow good hygiene and observe social distancing measures whether or not they have been tested.


Government to provide the evidence that asymptomatic infection is possible.

Dr Michael Yeadon: Asymptomatic infection is biologically implausible

328999 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 8, #892 of 1551 🔗

Apparently Macron has mobilised 100,000 police to stop New Year’s Eve gatherings – and the BBC is happy with this blatant fascism.

329002 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Darryl, 3, #893 of 1551 🔗

Drool Britannia.

329005 godowneasy, 5, #894 of 1551 🔗

Amazing irony – Having largely destroyed the Irish tourism sector during 2020 and, only yesterday, announcing a full lockdown for the country until at least the end of January:

TAOISEACH MICHEÁL MARTIN has said the government will consider an extra Bank Holiday for 2021.

The idea of Ireland having an extra bank holiday to boost the tourism sector has been mooted for several months and was also raised in a recent report…


329008 caravaggio57, 11, #895 of 1551 🔗

The Covid Boys. Making strangers, of friends and family, since March 2020.

329011 Cbird, replying to Cbird, 26, #896 of 1551 🔗

If like me you feel helpless and hopeless in the face of all of this, here is a thought for the new year:

‘If you think you’re too small to make a difference, try spending the night in a room full of mosquitoes’

(Unknown – possible African proverb. Quote from Billy Bob Thornton in Goliath)

Here’s to Toby, Will, Jonathan, and all other contributors and commenters, with thanks for helping me keep my head above water this year.

329059 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Cbird, 2, #897 of 1551 🔗

very wise words – let’s all keep on biting!

329608 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to dommo, #898 of 1551 🔗

Biting satire. Works wonders.

329016 chris c, replying to chris c, 1, #899 of 1551 🔗

Was there a technical glitch yesterday?

I made a post, did some reading and posting, went and did some other stuff. Refreshed the page (ctrl-F5), did some more reading and posting, went and did some other stuff, refreshed the page again . . .

. . . later realised I hadn’t seen my first post, did yet another refresh and suddenly not only my post but a couple of hundred others I hadn’t previously seen appeared. Very strange.

329025 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chris c, #900 of 1551 🔗

The page takes a long time to load once it gets to a certain size

The mirror: https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm is quicker and loads everything at once but is only updated every few hours

329017 JHUNTZ, 15, #901 of 1551 🔗

“The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. “One word of truth outweighs the world.” Alexander Solzhenitsyn

329020 RickH, 17, #902 of 1551 🔗

Just a shout-out for Dr Malcolm Kendrick’s article cited in today’s ‘Roundup’.

It really is a balanced and unhysterical summary of the sceptical standpoint, and deserves a wide circulation.

329024 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #903 of 1551 🔗

This is a shame, however, they are keen to point out that he had no known underlying health problems. Then it mentions something about the “new strain” hmmmm…just to keep up the scaremongering & propaganda.


The BBC will absolutely wet their knickers at this story.

329055 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #904 of 1551 🔗

I saw the article earlier and my first reaction was to realise how people can easily be convinced of the severity of ‘the virus’ when they read such articles. I even found it tempting to think to myself for a split second that maybe us sceptics are wrong! But then I got back to my senses and decided to scrutinise the article.

There is no background about how he ended up in hospital in the first place – what symptoms did he have and for how long etc? Was he actually in hospital as a consequence of sudden illness or an accident? When was he given a +ve test ? Who knows? What medical treatment did he receive? We aren’t told. Note the presumptive and emotive use of the phrase that he “lost his fight against coronavirus”. To me, in the blatant absence of more detail, that strikes me as deliberate non-specific hyperbole in order to engender a required emotion in the reader.

Reporters also avoid a potential accusation of lying by saying someone ‘had no known underlying illness’ but they write this in the knowledge that most readers will interpret this as meaning that they ‘had no underlying illness’ which of course is not the same at all. Hundreds, if not thousands, of people between 50 and 60 who ‘had no known underlying illness’ die each year but receive no media attention, and many of them would probably have tested positive for ‘SARS CoV2’ without any symptoms or without it contributing circumstantially to their demise.

Also, putting it bluntly, but by no means a minor possibility, could his death be down to medical negligence? That never seems to occur to journalists before they declare categorically someone’s cause of death. In the US, and I am sure elsewhere, medical negligence is the third highest cause of death after cancer and heart problems.

329607 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Dodderydude, #905 of 1551 🔗

They don’t give you the details, it’s too time consuming. Lazy journalism.

329190 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #906 of 1551 🔗

Sad though it is, this gentleman, extremely fit, apparently, always out on his bike, could have died from any of the coronaviruses or other common cold viruses:

Throughout this year there has been consistent underestimation of how lethal common cold viruses of different types can be.

‘Prolonged, intense exercise causes immunosuppression…..’


‘More than just a common cold: Endemic coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, NL63, and 229E associated with severe acute respiratory infection and fatality cases among healthy adults’


329026 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #907 of 1551 🔗

Re the Gloucester hospital:

UPDATE : A reader whose wife works in the hospital has got in touch to say the area filmed is always empty on a Sunday as it is a “Monday to Friday” area which is nothing to do with Covid – a Physiotherapy outpatients unit or similar.

Is this for real? The woman wasn’t just looking for the covid ward. She passed a cardiology ward that was in total darkness. Do they send the heart attack victims home for the weekend?

329035 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #908 of 1551 🔗

It was cardiology outpatients, not a ward. Didn’t realise she was filming on a Sunday – not surprised there was nothing to see in outpatients generally.

329058 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #909 of 1551 🔗

Where’s the security?

329065 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to PatrickF, 1, #910 of 1551 🔗

What security would you expect to see at the weekend in a part of the hospital with no staff or patients? I imagine someone has a stroll through now and then, but why would they have guards posted there?

329060 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #911 of 1551 🔗

So it should be locked Saturday and Sunday. Very strange!

329064 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #912 of 1551 🔗

I think it’s necessary to be wary of the ‘reverse con’ – i.e. propagandised fictions purportedly from the sceptic side. Scepticism cuts two ways.

The official narrative has exaggerated the hospital occupancy issue – but they are busy, as always at this time of year. ‘Empty’ hospitals are just as much a fiction.

I write as an inhabitant of a specialist ward where there is a constant over-demand for beds which has nothing to do with the Covid genuine nonsense.

329027 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #913 of 1551 🔗

Look at this… the SPECULATION about young people (esp primary schools) is admitted and they STILL close schools down. Flabbergasted!


329031 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #914 of 1551 🔗

And here are the minutes of the 18/12 Nervetag committee meeting. It is not known the age of those transmitting new virus. So the school lockdown is not based on science.


329032 Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 9, #915 of 1551 🔗

Depressing trip to local co-op, back to queuing outside, not great for elderly in the cold. Also absolutely everyone in the queue outside was masked up. Not having one on outside myself, got a few looks. Unless I am mistaken masks outside hasn’t been announced?

329220 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Rabbit, #916 of 1551 🔗

I had to join a queue outside my small local post office two weeks ago. Queue was about eight people, socially distanced and I had to wait about twenty minutes before even getting to the door (one in, one out job). I think everyone had a mask on before they even joined the queue except me ( I only put a mask on with a flourish as I walked into the PO, to make a point). Whilst I stood in the queue I was getting suspicious looks from those before and after me but I was happy to smile at people in an exaggerated way to remind them what life used to be like!

329307 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #917 of 1551 🔗

Next time, walk in with the flourish and WITHOUT face knickers. That makes the point much better.

329033 Cheezilla, 6, #918 of 1551 🔗

New Years Eve Street Parties!

Brighton – 9pm – Black Rock Car Park – Take bottle, drums, music, firewood, love an peace

London – 11pm – Freedom Protest St Party – Location to be announced at 8pm on Piers Corbyn’s social media – https://twitter.com/Piers_Corbyn
(Also check this channel for updates: https://t.me/ProtestEverywhere )

London – 9pm – Kidderminster Town Hall

Manchester – 10pm – 1am – Cotton Street, Ancoats Square next to Rudys Pizza. M45BF

Check out Protest Everywhere Telegram group.

329037 Cheezilla, 4, #919 of 1551 🔗


The Brighton street party for the 31st has gained attention from the press. It’s cleverly worded for people to relate cases to actual sick people as usual.

The comments section has some truth going on… Please jump in with your facts, figures and pure sanity. Get the party started and let some sheep step into the light. Put links to your favourite channels and truthers.

Share this out so that we can get as much support on the comments as possible!

329039 Dorian_Hawkmoon, 6, #920 of 1551 🔗

Was just reading about the Querdenker (lateral thinker) movement in Germany that is acting as a bit of an umbrella for a range of interests. Of course they are getting blanked in the news, maligned and put under state observation as terrorists.
Sometimes it’s worth borrowing rather than reinventing something? Ich bin ein Querdenker! (Well, my monicker was/will be Duke von Köln after all.)

329040 wayno, 3, #921 of 1551 🔗

If any of you have small kids I recommend watching small foot. A lot of parallels to this shitstorm

329042 dommo, 6, #922 of 1551 🔗

“blood on their hands”?

given all the restrictions and measures in place, surely anyone who catches “it” now has only got themselves to blame?

unless of course they catch “it” while in hospital (quit common apparently!), in which case the blame falls squarely on the nhs…

329045 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #923 of 1551 🔗

Can anyone point me at a peer reviewed study or pre print that supports lack of asymptomatic transmission of Covid?

329070 ▶▶ Mark, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #924 of 1551 🔗

This was tweeted a day or two back I think. Don’t know about the particular study, but JAMA is generally peer reviewed:


The researchers confirmed that SARS-CoV-2 is more contagious than other coronaviruses, with a secondary attack rate of 16.6% (95% CI 14.0%-19.3%) compared to 7.5% (95%CI 4.8%-10.7%) for SARS-CoV and 4.7% (95%CI, 0.9%-10.7%) for MERS-CoV.
Their findings also confirmed the attack rate is higher to adult contacts compared to child contacts and to spouses compared to other family members.
The secondary attack rate for symptomatic index cases was 18.0% (95% CI 14.2%-22.1%), and the rate of asymptomatic and presymptomatic index cases was 0.7% (95% CI 0%-4.9%), “although there were few studies in the latter group.” The asymptomatic/presymptomatic secondary attack rate is not statistically different from zero, and the confidence interval is technically 0.7 ± 4.2, resulting in a range of -3.5%-4.9%, but attack rates cannot be negative, so it is truncated at 0.

The JAMA report is here:

Household Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis

329075 ▶▶ Julian, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #925 of 1551 🔗

I think other links have been posted in recent days

If you go to https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm (mirror of LS) and use the search it will link you to pages (days) that contain the string you’re searching for then you can use ctrl-f on the individual day’s page to find it – each day loads quickly

The site is updated every few hours

329046 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #927 of 1551 🔗

Not surprised that this tweet is getting a hammering. This is Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy and its highly irresponsible of the government to be doing this:


Whoever thought of this should be hauled before a Nuremberg Part 2.

Never forgive, never forget.

329054 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #928 of 1551 🔗

They simply don’t understand. The more they make sweeping demands like this the more people will laugh at them and take no notice.

329066 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to suitejb, 5, #929 of 1551 🔗

Exactly. More and more people I suspect have had enough especially if looming redundancy and bankruptcy is staring at them in the face.

329079 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #930 of 1551 🔗

But … they’re avoidable redundancy and/or bankruptcies. Continuing with >100 yrs of previous public health policy wouldn’t have caused businesses to close.

Such action by the UK government triggers potentially huge legal claims.

Not surprisingly the DHSC – I think it was them not the Treasury – won’t release their cost-benefit analysis of lockdown.

329605 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to suitejb, #931 of 1551 🔗

Send them tweets & emails of canned laughter.

329130 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #932 of 1551 🔗

If 1 in 3 have it then in 10 days they’ll be immune. Add that to all who allegedly have had it and we have reached herd immunity. So this all in ends in 14 days then?

Nice to know.

329482 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, #933 of 1551 🔗

Brilliant comment:
OMG I have no symptoms. What else should i look out for, glowing skin, shiny hair. I’m doomed.

329047 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #934 of 1551 🔗
329480 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bebophaircut, #935 of 1551 🔗

Yikes. What a creep!!

329048 l835, replying to l835, 9, #936 of 1551 🔗

Another gem from the bbc, despite the appalling grammar…

“ If you do not want the vaccine, BBC Wales understands you will not just get offered it once. There will be chances to change your mind and have the jab in the future.”

So the NHS will pester until they have worn peoples resolve down.

329081 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to l835, 4, #937 of 1551 🔗

.. and that was the result when the teachers were working!

329091 ▶▶ Janette, replying to l835, 4, #938 of 1551 🔗

We gave to be strong and say NO.

329110 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to l835, 6, #939 of 1551 🔗

It has not so far worked in our household with SSE and smart meters

329151 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to mikewaite, 2, #940 of 1551 🔗

Me neither. It took me long enough to bother getting my BT Internet hub upgraded. Having said that my internet is a bit faster than it used to be.

329158 ▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to l835, 2, #941 of 1551 🔗

I suspect a lot of Welsh government and Council communications are composed in Welsh- a rather flowery and literary language- and then translated into English. Clarity seems to suffer.

329301 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cedric the dragon, 1, #942 of 1551 🔗

It’s usually the other way round: English first, then translated into Welsh by some semi-literate dork who can’t write either decent English or decent Welsh and didn’t understand the original message anyway.

329050 dommo, replying to dommo, 25, #943 of 1551 🔗

does anyone else have the sneaking suspicion that we might have actually lost a war that nobody told us about? think of those “what would the UK be like if Hitler had won?” articles – surely it wouldn’t have been any worse than what we’re going through now?

329140 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to dommo, 3, #944 of 1551 🔗

This photo from 2015 or so seems to indicate that, yes, the US has lost a war, badly:

Jack Posobiec https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f1fa-1f1f8.svg on Twitter: “”So you thought you could just take your country back?” https://t.co/UjewJzkVW6 ” / Twitter

329165 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to awildgoose, #945 of 1551 🔗

that’s exactly what i was afraid of!

329206 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to dommo, 4, #946 of 1551 🔗

Not a war but we have experienced a coup that most people are unaware of.

329215 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #947 of 1551 🔗

yes – fiendishly clever that really isn’t it? win the war without firing a shot…

329051 Silke David, 10, #948 of 1551 🔗

Just went shopping, there was another couple and a single woman full faced. They stood out.
I kind of always think, what is different about them?
Awful to think I am so used to seeing/not seeing people that I am perplexed by seeing an unmasked person in the supermarket.
Does not happen to me so much whilst walking in the street.

329052 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 23, #949 of 1551 🔗


Been thinking about my resolution for next year. I have decided on “Stop Making Sense”,  inspired by the great album by Talking Heads, as it sums how I intend to face the world from now on. What’s the point of trying to be logical and reasonable when the World is in a state of mass insanity?  What’s the point in providing data and “science” to people who are trapped in a cult and don’t want to hear it? Forget the bloody graphs, figures, analyses, expert opinions  – pointless I say – away with ye! A new approach is needed. From now on, it’s 100% guaranteed gibberish from me.
Happy new year to everyone at Lockdown Sceptics.

329097 ▶▶ dommo, replying to godowneasy, 6, #950 of 1551 🔗

same as it ever was!

329196 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to dommo, #951 of 1551 🔗

Under the rocks and stone, there is water underground

329474 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to godowneasy, #952 of 1551 🔗

I hope you save the gibberish for the sheeple. I enjoy your sanity here.

329068 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 50, #953 of 1551 🔗

It’s my birthday today and I’m happy to report I’m breaking the law by having two other households staying with us — my daughter and her boyfriend and my brother and his kids. There will be hugs, games, great food and lots to drink. The irony is that most birthdays are spent alone with my husband as people are usually out at parties and events, but under lockdown they have nowhere else to go! Wishing all my fellow lockdown sceptics a happy new year. Let’s toast to winning this war in 2021!

329072 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #954 of 1551 🔗

Happy birthday Lisa and a happy New Year too!

329073 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 7, #955 of 1551 🔗

Happy birthday, Lisa! Enjoy your day and best wishes for what I hope will be a happy new year for us all.

329076 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #956 of 1551 🔗

Happy birthday Lisa, have a great time!

329082 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #957 of 1551 🔗

Same from me …

Hope you enjoy yourselves Lisa, Happy Birthday and best wishes for the new year.

329085 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #959 of 1551 🔗

Good for you Lisa. Go for it

329089 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #960 of 1551 🔗

Happy birthday Lisa. Hope you all have a lovely time.

329092 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #961 of 1551 🔗

Happy Birthday & a happy New Year!!!


329093 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #962 of 1551 🔗

Have a good one, we’re doing the same for my son, whose birthday is tomorrow too.

329096 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to DanClarke, 3, #963 of 1551 🔗

Good for you! Happy birthday to your son.

329111 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #964 of 1551 🔗

You might have to build some tree houses.

329114 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #965 of 1551 🔗

Happy birthday Lisa, all the best.

329147 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #966 of 1551 🔗

Happy birthday Lisa. Your posts are always enlightening.

329162 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #967 of 1551 🔗

Happy Birthday Lisa…you look great for 22 by the way!…thanks for all your comments that have been read by many…even though you possibly dont realise it lol……..

329316 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #968 of 1551 🔗

Thanks Harry! I’m 56 and look like 22 (NOT!). Happy new year!

329294 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #969 of 1551 🔗

Have a great day!

329472 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #970 of 1551 🔗

Happy birthday. Have a wonderful time!

329078 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #971 of 1551 🔗

Just highlighting, once again, the alarmist reporting by the BBC who keep repeating that 964 people died yesterday, complete bollox. As you can see the deaths data is flatlining & have been for a couple of months.

329087 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to NickR, 3, #972 of 1551 🔗

that sounds exceptionally low, when its normally around the 1600 mark

329090 ▶▶ dpj, replying to NickR, #973 of 1551 🔗

Also this if you haven’t seen it retweeted by our favourite evidence based professor earlier

329084 DanClarke, 13, #974 of 1551 🔗

According to the DM, Sage have announced lockdowns for school for months, so maybe its time the government realised that the advice has been sh** and give SAGE the heave ho, I mean, if you were in private industry and made such an unholy mess you would be out long before now. They had everyone eating out not long ago, now this.

329086 mj, replying to mj, 11, #975 of 1551 🔗

that Hugh Montgomery (the doctor saying we all have blood on our hands” has just been on C4 news (16.50) . It is a laugh … a must watch . C4 are going full on the propaganda
notice that he is wearing a mask all the way through .. and touching it every minute. All that was missing was a tictoc dance

329103 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to mj, 14, #976 of 1551 🔗

I am a pacifist but if I could get hold of him, I certainly would have his blood on my hands.

329166 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to mj, 8, #977 of 1551 🔗

People sometimes make assumptions that because you are a doctor then you must be the most intelligent, grounded person in the world. This simply isn’t true. There are plenty of thick doctors out there as there are plenty of intelligent ones. My wife is a pharmacist and has worked closely with them for twenty five years. Some of the stories she tells me about them would make your toes curl. Just because some rabid chin wobbler of a Doctor makes a statement on TV does not make it the truth. As has been pointed out many, many times. The NHS is always allegedly near collapse every Winter. The thing is, the sheeple will swallow it wholesale.

329202 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mj, 4, #978 of 1551 🔗

Wearing a mask for a zoom call.That tells you everything you need to know about the man

329224 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to mj, 2, #979 of 1551 🔗

Apparently he writes fiction……..

329094 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #980 of 1551 🔗

964 people die of Covid???? yesterday.
No, I ain’t worried either.

329125 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #981 of 1551 🔗

Sorry, Philip; just saw your post.

There’s a breakdown above, just in case you do start to worry. 😉

329159 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ceriain, 1, #982 of 1551 🔗

No worries.

329098 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #983 of 1551 🔗

What did they start doing different in September to get the big rise in positive test percentages? More Ct cycles? making it up?


Plus the only 3 regions that are increasing are London, South East and the East of England.

329314 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #984 of 1551 🔗

Richard Tice found out that private companies were banned from releasing Ct cycles for tests even to GPs

329099 bebophaircut, 2, #985 of 1551 🔗

Ridiculized or Radicalized? Time to choose.

329101 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 11, #986 of 1551 🔗

I just want to say THANK YOU to all the guys on here.

THANK YOU and a Happy New Year to you all. You have kept me SANE over the last few months with you posts and comments from all ends of the (Lockdown Sceptic) spectrum…………

I am trying to think positively and that this EVIL will be overturned this year.I genuinely believe evil is at play………..

BUT I believe goodness, truth and light will prevail…I hope that doesnt sound ‘pious’?…….

God Bless You all and you closest……………….

329157 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #987 of 1551 🔗

No it doesn’t sound pious at all. Have a good new year when it comes 🤙🏻

329231 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #988 of 1551 🔗

the good guy only wins in movies

329102 Al T, replying to Al T, 17, #989 of 1551 🔗

This site has helped me stay sane and get stuff off my chest throughout a year where so many people seem to have taken leave of whatever sense they had.

To quote Dr van Helsing ‘We…will have to pass through the bitter water before we reach the sweet. But we must be brave of heart and unselfish, and do our duty and all will be well’.

Happy New Year to all of us!

329109 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Al T, #990 of 1551 🔗

I was always taught at my B stream class at secondary modern school that it was bad English to use “flowery” words when constructing a sentence

329292 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #991 of 1551 🔗

Van Helsing was Dutch.
And yes, in the book he does rabbit on.But he’s also good with a bunch of garlic, a sharpened stake and a mallet. Put him on to Wankok.

329467 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip, #992 of 1551 🔗

Someone should tell theSlimy Gove.

329104 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #993 of 1551 🔗

Just had an email update from my council – we are tier 3. In recent weeks they have been encouraging people with “pre-symptoms” (headache, tirendess, sore throat, sneezing) to book a test but are now offering bookings “if you don’t have symptoms but want to access a rapid test to see if you are positive…”.

I suppose it’s a good thing that these are lateral flow but it seems to me to be just another way to keep people invested in the bollx. I can think of numerous people of my acquaintance who I would expect to go along every few days (with their kids). Evenutally they’ll get lucky, I’m sure.

Is this the same everywhere? Are there any areas where perfectly healthy people are not being actively encouraged to get tested?

329117 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #994 of 1551 🔗

So unusual to have a runny nose during a cold winters day.

329270 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrew K, 3, #995 of 1551 🔗

Runny nose and sneezing are symptoms of the common cold and emphatically not on the NHS list of covid symptoms.
Tiredness? That’s a simple message from your abused body – It’s midwinter FFS. We should be semi-hibernating!

329138 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #996 of 1551 🔗

They’re just exploring all possible options to keep the numbers up so they can keep the hysteria rolling.

329144 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #997 of 1551 🔗

I posted above about covid test centres in Derby (tier 4). The advice relating to them is to make an appointment if you have symptoms, not otherwise.

329152 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #998 of 1551 🔗

When did sneezing become a symptom? I thought that was something that specifically wasn’t on the list?

329163 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to CGL, 3, #999 of 1551 🔗

We have a special “pre-symptom” list here to try to increase uptake. Think mjr and/or I posted about it a wile ago. Aches and pains also included. I think they have had something similar in some Tier 4 areas before now. In any case the list is irrelevant in these parts now the testing door is open to one and all.

329170 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1000 of 1551 🔗

So a symptom of a cold – sneezing – has now become a pre-symptom of covid? It’s either a symptom or it’s not. I don’t think pre-symptoms as a concept can even exist! How would you know you had one, if it’s not a symptom yet? As soon as you know you’ve got it, it’s a symptom isn’t it, not a pre-symptom?

329156 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #1001 of 1551 🔗

Sneezing WTF. Its not a symptom of covid. Jesus, i must have had it for the past six months then. This kind of misinformation boils my piss.

329287 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FlynnQuill, #1002 of 1551 🔗

Weren’t they saying that ‘tummy-ache’ was a symptom of Covid in children ?

329465 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, #1003 of 1551 🔗

Plausible because abdominal lymph glands swell when the body is fighting an infection, especially in children. However, children don’t get covid, so more likely to be starting with a common cold.

329105 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1004 of 1551 🔗

Anyone interested in the 1256 pages of the UK-EU Brexit Treaty:


329112 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1005 of 1551 🔗

Our Government been busy, over 200 pieces of legislation made and in force already with EU Exit in the name:


329113 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1006 of 1551 🔗

Brexit is totally irrelevant now that we’ll be controlled by a single world dictatorship.

329160 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Andrew K, -1, #1007 of 1551 🔗

correct…..to be fair it started decades ago…you might even say over 100 years ago?…

329187 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Andrew K, -1, #1008 of 1551 🔗

My thoughts exactly, but in any case the Brexit we got seems softer than voters might have liked.

329240 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Awkward Git, #1009 of 1551 🔗

I’m washing my hair.

329107 Edward, replying to Edward, 4, #1010 of 1551 🔗

Field report from Derby. My afternoon exercise took me past two of the three community test centres for covid in the city. The first one is on a long straight street and the centre was in view for at least five minutes. During that time one person came out, a middle-aged man, and nobody went in. No queue. Two guys in hi-vis vests.
I had the second centre in view for about three minutes and one person came out, a youngish man. Nobody went in, no queue, three in hi-vis vests.
So one person every 5 minutes, 12 in an hour. The centres are open for 12 hours a day (8am to 8pm) and there are three in Derby, which has a population of 258000. UK population is 68 million. So from this very limited observed data, the number of community tests per day in the UK can be estimated as 12x12x3x68/0.258 = 113860. Call it 115000 to be generous.

Question for those who study the official figutes: how do they compare with my estimate? And what proportion of the community tests are positive?

Since the official figures currently claim tens of thousands of positive tests each day, presumably most of those are coming from in-hospital and employers’ tests. Are the latter sets of figures available?

329119 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Edward, 3, #1011 of 1551 🔗

most of the tests are being done within hospitals and care home settings.

329136 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1012 of 1551 🔗

So people who are already ill and/or old.

329264 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1013 of 1551 🔗

Agreed, up to a point. 🙂
According to the Test and Trace documentation.
Testing in England

NHS Test and Trace starts with an individual taking a swab test, either in pillar 1, pillar 2 or pillar 4. Those who go on to test positive will have their case transferred to NHS Test and Trace for contact tracing. The majority of these are people who were tested under pillar 1 or pillar 2 of the government testing strategy:

pillar 1: swab testing for the virus in labs and NHS hospitals for those with a clinical need, and health and care workers

pillar 2: swab testing for the virus in the wider population, through commercial partnerships, either processed in a lab or more rapidly via tests

For pillar 1, this starts with a person having a coronavirus test in hospital. For pillar 2, this starts with a person booking or ordering a coronavirus test. Pillar 2 tests can be either be conducted at a regional test site, local test site or mobile test unit; or a satellite or home test can be conducted.

For the week I quoted in a post above:

Tier 1 (NHS & Care staff): 419,249
Tier 2 (The Proles – Test centres and mailed in tests (this can include care home inmates)): 1,979,263

329329 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1014 of 1551 🔗

Thanks for the detailed info. My daily estimate 115000 scaled up to a week gives 805000, still well short of two million but not in a completely different ball park.

329121 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1015 of 1551 🔗

Headline for the Beeb, Sly and the MSM: 964 more poor souls slaughtered yesterday by the deadly virus. No mention of when they actually died.

Reality for the rest of us – when did they actually die*:

16/12/2020        8
17/12/2020        7
18/12/2020        14
19/12/2020        21
20/12/2020        11
21/12/2020        11
22/12/2020        17
23/12/2020        23
24/12/2020        48
25/12/2020        69
26/12/2020        61
27/12/2020        99
28/12/2020        125
29/12/2020        280
30/12/2020        154

That covers 948; the rest are minor changes earlier.

*And, of course, we all know they died withing 28 days of a postive PCR test, not necessarily of Covid.

329126 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1016 of 1551 🔗

Doesn’t look so bad when you put it in the context that about 1600 people die in England on average every day of all causes (probably more in the winter).

329161 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #1017 of 1551 🔗

Absolutely. Do bear in mind that those numbers above are only when the 900 odd reported figures died. The deaths ‘by date of death’ numbers are averaging about 460ish.

There’s no real increase at all, and hasn’t been one for a while. Normal flu season, if you ask me.

329208 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1018 of 1551 🔗

Thanks for the clarification…and I agree with your interpretation of the situation.

329235 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #1019 of 1551 🔗

Thank you; most kind. 🙂

329137 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Ceriain, 3, #1020 of 1551 🔗

Here you can see a comparison of deaths by date of death and deaths by date recorded.
No prizes for guessing which one msm uses.

329155 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1021 of 1551 🔗

That’s where my figures came from, J.

I just compared yesterday’s numbers with today’s. 🙂

329225 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1022 of 1551 🔗

do you still have a screen shot from yesterday. I checked the figures yesterday and 29.12 had 154 deaths. Today obviously would be different but I note today 30.12 shows as 154 as well.

329241 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1023 of 1551 🔗

I don’t, but I spotted that, too, and it was at 154; you’re obviously like me and don’t like little coincidences like that. The figures are rubbish anyway, so I no longer let it bother me.

329285 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1024 of 1551 🔗

the problem is we can’t have it both ways. The official stats of admissions by NHS trusts contradict the narrative put out by various hospitals being overwhelmed. Hugh Montgomery and Whittington hospital being a good example.

329123 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1025 of 1551 🔗

If you question Climate Change you’re Far Right. Far out.

329145 ▶▶ CGL, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1026 of 1551 🔗

No – you’re just intelligent enough to see through bs.
I cannot fathom how these topics can be tied to anything on the political spectrum. They are mutually exclusive.

329193 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to CGL, 1, #1027 of 1551 🔗

Not when the government is the using the crisis to push through a lot of unpopular green policies.They are very similar in execution as well.Dodgy computer modelling leading to calls something must be done.Its just the Covid scam brings immediate fear into play.There are only so many times you can say the world is going to end in 10 years

329179 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to bebophaircut, #1028 of 1551 🔗

the planet is 2 billion years old…..it will still be there in 20 million years time…we all know that……..

329127 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 9, #1029 of 1551 🔗

Can we try to get the full picture of hospitals? Ours certainly is NOT ”overwhelmed”. How about others? Can we all tell our own story?
Perhaps if we can get this petition supported it might be a start. I’m sure most people don’t know that staff have been gagged.

329167 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Banjones, 3, #1030 of 1551 🔗

I signed this petition earlier today when I am sure there were more than 2700 signatures. I just checked and there are now under 2300. I will take a screenshot and see what happens.

329352 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Basileus, 1, #1031 of 1551 🔗

I’ve just signed and it’s dropped to less than 2300!

329456 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Skippy, #1032 of 1551 🔗

2,225 at 20:30.

329128 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 24, #1033 of 1551 🔗

It’s 2021 here – lots of fireworks, Happy New Year to everyone. Let’s take back control.

329139 ▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1034 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year NN. Have they locked you down yet?

329153 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cedric the dragon, 9, #1035 of 1551 🔗

Come to think of it, it’s 2564 here, not 2021! Buddhist calendar. No, Cedric, no lockdown but faffing about with midnight closures in Bangkok. Because the virus is a moral scourge from the gods, hostess bars are only allowed to offer home delivery. Or is that restaurants? I lose track. Anyway, it’s an enterprising country and people are used to living between the stupid lines set by the government. We will get through.

329447 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1036 of 1551 🔗

repeat after me hostess = outcall, restaurant = call out both = home delivery. Both branches of the service industry swear its by the principle that the customer comes first that ensures they always have repeat business. Sawat dee pi mai khun NN 🙂

329148 ▶▶ mj, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #1037 of 1551 🔗

still 1984 here

329149 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to mj, 3, #1038 of 1551 🔗

I wish.

329177 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1039 of 1551 🔗

It’s 2021 here

I thought I was quite widely travelled, but I never knew that Northumberland had its own time zone.

329198 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Old Bill, 4, #1040 of 1551 🔗

Elizabeth I called us “the inly-working North”.

(I am the King of Northumbria’s ambassador at the court of the King of Siam. At least that’s my excuse when the Thai police question me.)

329192 ▶▶ Janette, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1041 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year Nomad from Tyneside

329197 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Janette, 2, #1042 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year to you! Give my love to the Tyne!

329129 Edward, replying to Edward, 7, #1043 of 1551 🔗

Field report from Derby continued. I also walked past two doctors’ surgeries with attached pharmacies and one stand-alone pharmacy. Two people separately came out one of the surgeries. No other customers seen. I passed the local community hospital which doesn’t do covid testing or treatment – a few vehicles coming and going, much as usual. The big hospital is a few miles out from the city centre and I have no information on that. Next week I’ll take a walk past the Derby Arena which will be a vaccination centre – I presume they’ll have started by then.

The city centre was less dead than I expected, but there is no significant difference between tier 4 now and the November lockdown. Places like Poundland sell food but also enable people to do some general shopping. Some of the cafés are open for takeaway. The only queue I saw was about 10 people outside the Chinese supermarket, which is quite cramped and therefore limits the numbers inside. Of course tier 4 was invented to avoid having a parliamentary debate on a new lockdown.

329184 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Edward, 2, #1044 of 1551 🔗

Derby hospital is the reason the whole county was upped a tier, even one district way away from Derby which has the lowest CCP Virus rates in the Midlands. There is a big issue with infection control there clearly and with 1000 deaths in that trust the recovery rates are appalling. Of course the local MSM tried to cover them with the backed up ambulances yesterday.

Actually the tier 4 is nasty for those in the North of the county as Sheffield is still in 3, with higher rates according to the stats than Chesterfield. According to the rules the border to Yorkshire can’t be crossed without good reason and no doubt SYP will be after some easy pickings. What Hancock did to Derbyshire was totally unfair. Derbyshire Dales should be in 1 according to every criteria Hancock set. I detest the twat.

329252 ▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to nottingham69, 2, #1045 of 1551 🔗

We’re a split personality here in North Notts. Bassetlaw is Notts but the Health Authority is Doncaster & Bassetlaw and that reports as Yorkshire. Our dear, dear Health Authority spreads its resources across the area and the C19 testing station is Bassetlaw. No problem as all figures go under the banner and Yorkshire has flatlining or decreasing rates. Look at mainly rural Bassetlaw for Nottinghamshire figures though and we’re higher than expected so Tier 4, unlike Tier 3 Yorkshire 2 miles up the road.
Just no logic

329269 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to EllGee, 2, #1046 of 1551 🔗

None at all the man is a moron. CCP shutdowns in rural Notts and Derbyshire.

329319 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to nottingham69, 1, #1047 of 1551 🔗

Thanks for the info. I don’t see much local news as I don’t much look at the Derby Telegraph website for two reasons, first it’s full-on covid panicky, and secondly it’s difficult to find the actual content among all the advertising crap.

329364 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Edward, 1, #1048 of 1551 🔗

I had a blitz on the Telegraph site earlier. Game of cat and mouse get on top and the posts get deleted. Trinity Mirror so complete commie are all the local rags, so full enemy territory. I know it is taboo but be safe, you really don’t want a spell in Derby Hospital, don’t slip on ice.

329132 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 19, #1049 of 1551 🔗

A lot of doctors apparently coming out now saying how overwhelmed they are.

Strange how silent they were the past year when it must have been one of the quietest ever for many of them.

Do they only have tongues when it suits?

329199 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1050 of 1551 🔗

I researched a junior doctor who featured on the BBC and in the Daily Mail yesterday claiming that his London hospital was overwhelmed. I was intrigued to see a tweet he posted on 28 December in which he described the situation in IC and saying that, to deal with increased demands, “We’ve squeezed patients between each other”. That description was a complete red flag moment for me.

329219 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #1051 of 1551 🔗

any time any of these doctors or hospitals actually identify themselves on the BBC I go to the covid dashboard and check the figures. To date none of the official figures corroborate the news report. Tonight it was University College London.

329293 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Dodderydude, 9, #1052 of 1551 🔗

I think that woman’s video of the empty hospitals has found them out. So now they are all trying to aid the propaganda again. my advice to them is bloody well use the Nightingale Hospitals then. They are not overwhelmed. That’s a fact. It’s just the establishment narrative is really f****d now. The truth is breaking through the damn plus, there’s now too many lies which can be easily discredited and also, judging by what people are now saying in the petrol station, they’ve gone overboard with the propaganda so people are getting more cynical. Two people said they no longer watched the news and stopped just before Christmas because they had had enough of all the gloom and doom and just switched off.

The level of propaganda is now on such overdrive that I think people have become or are rapidly becoming desensitised it by it all. There’s nothing positive going on. This Lockdown hasn’t helped at all. Blair and Ferguson might be concerned that compliance has reduced but what do they expect? People have done everything asked of them and nothing changes and nothing good comes out of it. I would have thought that all those Behavioural Psychologists on the SAGE sub-committee would know that people need positive feedback in order to reinforce what they are doing is helping.

329356 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #1053 of 1551 🔗

The trouble with wall-to-wall propaganda is people become satiated, bored and doubtful. It is almost impossible to maintain it at the same level. December 2020 is different from March 2020. This is a bigger enemy to “the narrative” than scepticism, valid though it is.

329134 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 35, #1054 of 1551 🔗

Happy New year to all out there in sceptics land.

I’m off to drink beer, eat chocolate, prepare my lobsters for tomorrow’s dinner and generally gird my loins for the fight next year.

Enjoy your long weekend and see you all next week/year.

329142 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1055 of 1551 🔗

And a happy new merry to you.

329154 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1056 of 1551 🔗

You bet.

329175 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1057 of 1551 🔗

and you Awkward…I enjoy your ‘awkward’ posts………

329141 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 8, #1058 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year!

329146 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Old Bill, 7, #1059 of 1551 🔗

People in Saudi Arabia don’t like the vaccine.
But people in Abu Dhabi do.

329242 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1060 of 1551 🔗

Old joke but I loved the variant (oops!)!


329143 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1061 of 1551 🔗

One example of a Climate Change expert who knows nothing about the weather:

“According to our models, humanity is beyond the point of no return when it comes to halting the melting of permafrost using greenhouse gas cuts as the single tool,” lead author Jorgen Randers, a Professor Emeritus of Climate strategy at the BI Norwegian Business School , told AFP .


329150 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1062 of 1551 🔗

More poppycock. This time from Stanford Earth:


329164 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1063 of 1551 🔗

So I assume his solution is culling people. That seems to be the not always stated wish of these ghastly people. I’m sure Ferguson would approve; he just didn’t dare suggest it yet but why not? Stop Covid and stop climate change at the same time. Quids in. Contiguous culls. Real firebreaks for Wales.

329176 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #1064 of 1551 🔗

“When we saw the Chinese doing it…”?

329189 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #1065 of 1551 🔗

There is a very telling video where Gates alludes to that in relation to climate change.

329171 ▶▶ Mark, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #1066 of 1551 🔗

Academic whose career benefits from panic? – tick

Dodgy “modelling” that can basically have its outputs adjusted according to the desired results? – tick

Scary modelling results announced to breathlessly complicit media to spread panic? – tick

Dissenters excluded from discourse as “dangerous” and “deniers”? – tick

All feels very familiar.

329286 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mark, 1, #1067 of 1551 🔗

I know it’s a good diagram but it’s not correct. You don’t need to do an experiment for it to be science. It’s hard to believe but the method is a philosophical exercise at its core.

What you do is have your hypothesis and your assumptions. Then your methodology which can be purely thought experiments. As long as the rationale and conclusions flow from the assumptions and methodlogical limitations and as long as it all fits within its own logic it is science.

That’s why you can have theoretical papers sit tooth and jowl beside heavily experimental ones.

The key is that if you can’t meet certain parts of the method an have to make more assumptions, you can’t then ignore those assumptions when arriving at conclusions.

329191 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1068 of 1551 🔗

If we are beyond the point of no return what is the point of Randers telling us?

On his own admission there is nothing that can be done, so why say anything?

329370 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1069 of 1551 🔗

A friend of mine has a degree in physics and (or should I say “but”) largely accepts the climate change arguments. He sometimes suggests that as nothing much can be done, we should just “enjoy the ride” as we supposedly head towards disaster. I’m much more sceptical regarding climate change as with lockdown.

329168 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 27, #1070 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year to all on here and THANK YOU

for my SANITY.

can I say I am very PROUD OF YOU ALL?…is that allowed?…’pride’?

I dont care what the terminology is you, guys need to keep going…please dont stop……ALL of you

God Bless You and your closest

329173 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Luckyharry69, 9, #1071 of 1551 🔗


329181 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1072 of 1551 🔗

thanks Phil…keep your posts coming please.seriously keeps me somewhat sane…….

329253 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1073 of 1551 🔗


329249 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1074 of 1551 🔗

Bless you, Harry, and bless us all.
We cal all be proud.Just to be human is something to be proud of in the Covvizombie world.

329358 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Annie, 1, #1075 of 1551 🔗


329169 1stJamie, 6, #1076 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Tier everyone

329174 DanClarke, 1, #1077 of 1551 🔗

Re the TOP ARTICLE, a few months ago we were told to Eat Out etc etc, what I would like to know is, do SAGE reckon they’ve got it right?

329180 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1078 of 1551 🔗

Insane sight of the day: delivery driver removing mask and then using the exterior to wipe her mouth…

329185 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1079 of 1551 🔗

I’ll raise you: Dr ‘Death on their hands’ giving an interview on Channel 4 about the coming apocalypse and touching his mask constantly throughout. 😉

329385 ▶▶ Edward, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1080 of 1551 🔗

I made one of my occasional sarcastic comments to a stranger today, not something I do often but sometimes I can’t resist. Young man in the street wearing a visor. Having made an instant judgement that he wasn’t the type to thump me, I said “Enjoy your trip to the moon!” as I passed, not waiting to see his reaction.

329182 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1081 of 1551 🔗

I’m back to Professor Death again.

He mentioned “whole families being wiped out”, a “tsunami” of Covid cases, etc. Well, let’s see…

Total number of deaths* at the Whittington in the last 30 days? 30! One a day! In a major London hospital. From a respiratory condition! In Winter!

* “Deaths of patients who have died in hospitals in England and have tested positive for COVID-19” (that’s the NHS description from their own spreadsheet, so NOT died OF Covid, just had a postive PCR test at some time in the previous 28 days).

Source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-31-December-2020.xlsx – Tab 4: Deaths by Trust

Put a sock in it, Doc.

329194 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1082 of 1551 🔗

I notice that the BBC when they show the death figures there is in small writing underneath – deaths for any reason within 28 days of a positive test. So of and with.

329217 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1083 of 1551 🔗

Yes, I notice they have now started to describe ‘deaths’ like that. I assume it’s down to people (like me, who complained a lot) complaining about them describing every death as ‘of covid’.

329266 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1084 of 1551 🔗

Wot? No whole families in that death toll? Surely not!

329188 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 15, #1085 of 1551 🔗

I went for a good old cycle about today and happened to go past the test center on Newbury show ground. It serves Reading, out to Swindon up to Oxford and down to probably Basingstoke or perhaps a bit more south than that. A big area anyway.

There is a sign saying NO FILMING TURN OFF DASHCAMS at the entrance.
So they want to be sneaky and they have something to hide right?

Its an elaborate set up and you can bet the people who own the land get paid a fat wedge for hosting it. Fencing, porta cabins, lighting, generators 1000’s cones. There were about 10 vehicles parked in the huge car park area. Staff cars.

So there were probably about 30 staff about 6 of them were smoking in a huddle, others doing the traffic THE SECURITY and what ever else they do in the tents, of which they have about 6. Testing stations. Cones everywhere. Observed for about 10 mins, no cars went in and about 4 came out. Not in any way busy, just a slow drip drip drip of customers.

On the orad away from the site I noticed in excess of 50 face nappies at the side of the road, stuck in trees, everywhere, in about 200 yards of road.

You would think the ^&*%^$£” moronic joker clowns in the local council of idiots would pay a clean up crew to pick up some of the face nappies at least just outside their bastard test centre if nowhere else. These things are breading like…..face nappies.

329203 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1086 of 1551 🔗

Do let’s all take a trip to our local hospital and tell what we see. Some may be hugely busy – but at least we’d then see a bigger picture. Ours isn’t busy and the ”Covid pod” most certainly isn’t.

329210 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1087 of 1551 🔗

Can’t be right; empty test centres? You must be seeing things.

According to Dido’s latest bollocks: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-test-and-trace-england-statistics-17-december-to-23-december/weekly-statistics-for-nhs-test-and-trace-england-17-december-to-23-december

“2,398,512 people were tested at least once in England between 17 December and 23 December for COVID-19[footnote 1], a 20% increase compared to the previous week.”

That’s 340,000 a day!

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948744/NHS_T_T_data_tables_w30.ods (should open in Excel)

Tier 1 (NHS & Care staff): 419,249
Tier 2 (The Proles – Test centres and mailed in tests): 1,979,263

Or they could be lying… 😉

329216 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1088 of 1551 🔗

In her dreams. I have been past that test centre a few times and it never in any way looks busy. A few cars. Where are they getting these test results from? I have been past the one in Wales too, same set up, not busy, a few cars.

329232 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1089 of 1551 🔗

I know; it’s a joke.

329389 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1090 of 1551 🔗

I am also puzzled. Here in Bracknell there are around 150 positive test results a day. That Newbury station would appear to be one of the ones in range – there are stations also in Reading and Slough but it doesn’t appear any actually in our town. Where on earth are people getting tested in such huge numbers?

329271 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1091 of 1551 🔗

I think they are generating cases in a model and feeding it into the system. Bit like climate science where they invent temperature data rather than increase the uncertainty.

329291 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mhcp, 2, #1092 of 1551 🔗

Could be!

“Oh, I do like a nice model.” Neil Ferguson.

329489 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to Two-Six, #1093 of 1551 🔗

I pass the show ground every weekend and it’s always as you describe. I have no idea where they are testing so many people in the UK order to get 50K plus ‘positive’ results in a day!

329195 John P, replying to John P, 9, #1094 of 1551 🔗

I thought as it’s New Year’s Eve I might do a Lady Sceptic 2020 Top Ten.

A single man, I am this year banned by law from having a girlfriend (in anything other than a very superficial way) so (not that that would probably make much difference) I thought for a bit of fun I might construct my current list of dream dates from those women with a prominent online presence.

This is my personal list – you may disagree. It may be deemed a bit sexist (or something) so those of you with a woke disposition are perhaps advised to look away now.

1. Emma Webb. Perhaps the woman on the list I know least about. Emma, however, as well as being a champion of free speech with conservative views is stunningly beautiful. Definitely one to swim the Irish Sea for! Emma has been interviewed by Peter Whittle and appears on Talk Radio. She is also a friend of Brendan O’Neill and acquaintance of Laurence Fox.

2. Allison Pearson. My number one “yummy mummy”. Allison has been a stalwart against the lockdowns for most of the year. Allison is surely the wittiest woman on Fleet Street. A very funny lady, but also serious and compassionate. Allison always interviews her guests sensitively on her Planet Normal podcasts. A star, Allison had a significant birthday this year, but doesn’t look a day over 49!

3. Naomi Seibt. Germany’s youthful answer to Greta. Naomi turned twenty this year. Her English is almost perfect and her brains and beauty are second to none. I have quoted her a number of times on here. Naomi has maturity beyond her years, but sadly suffers from a mystery chronic illness – though she is unafraid of covid. I sometimes pray for her health.

4. Laura Dodsworth. Another yummy-mummy. Laura is best known for her (presumably tasteful) photographs of human genitalia, but is an always classy and formidable campaigner against lockdowns.

5. Laura Perrins. An Irishwoman of great passions. Never has twitter seen so many lockdown hating f words. Laura rarely holds back. She is currently seducing James Delingpole on youtube and is the darling of many a male lockdown sceptic.

6. Sophie Sandor. Sophie is a young Scotswoman and film director and friend of James Delingpole (the bugger gets all the girls – what’s his secret?). Sophie first appeared on a defund the BBC podcast. Sophie this year crowdfunded a short low budget film entitled “Intrusion”, managing in the end to double her initial target of £5000 mostly by force of her own electric personality.

7. Kirstie Allsop. Kirstie has had a mixed year. Occasionally infuriating for some of her lockdown stances, she is nevertheless a strong and compassionate woman who has often championed anti-lockdown causes and asks searching questions. Posh totty as well as being another yummy-mummy.

8. Madeleine Grant. Madeleine is one of the media’s most eligible spinsters. An Oxford
educated lover of good literature, Madeleine managed this year to grace her best friend’s wedding with her presence. Occasionally interviewed on Talk Radio and is another friend of – guess who? – Delingpole! Madeleine almost always has a warm smile on her face. A gem.

9. Julia Hartley-Brewer. Talk Radio’s Julia is the bane of wishy washy MPs everywhere. Julia takes no prisoners in her search for the truth. My only fear is that once word gets around the cowards won’t agree to come on her show!

10. Claire Fox . Brexiter and sometime lockdown sceptic. Claire has desrevedly been promoted to the House of Lords this year. Always a woman worth listening to, even if Brexit is not particularly your cup of tea.

329200 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to John P, 4, #1095 of 1551 🔗

You forgot Anne Widdicombe. I’m sure she’d be great fun!

329333 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to John P, #1096 of 1551 🔗

Anna Brees has done some great stuff this year.


329374 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to John P, 1, #1097 of 1551 🔗

The world is your oyster! – Happy new year.

329381 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to John P, 5, #1098 of 1551 🔗

For me Julia Hartley-Brewer blotted her copybook when she fell into the government’s vaccine fly trap, out of which she has not been able to climb. It was her own fault, doing that silly jig of joy routine when the news broke, before she compounded things by declaring the vaccine safe and anyone who didn’t agree was a conspiracist…that was before two people promptly had serious allergic reactions to the vaccine, before it became known the manufacturers admitted they had no idea what the effect on fertility would be and before we heard about the large number of Gilles Barrett disease cases.

329432 ▶▶ TJN, replying to John P, 1, #1099 of 1551 🔗

Sherelle Jacobs and Ester McVey for me. And Lionel Shriver but I’d be too scared of her.

329598 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to John P, 1, #1100 of 1551 🔗

I suggest Dolores Cahill. She needs more recognition and so do her causes for justice in Ireland and the world.

329201 Banjones, 3, #1101 of 1551 🔗

Can we get people signing this? It won’t make any difference, of course, except to show people that there are others who agree with them.

329204 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 8, #1102 of 1551 🔗

Just received a rather disturbing email from my uni (York).

Firstly, it states ‘We need you to get a test as soon as possible when you return to campus… These tests are being offered to all students , and we do expect you to take them.’ Am I right in thinking this is a breach of the law? The website explicitly states that tests are voluntary but recommended.

Then there is the statement that ‘We need to continue supporting each other until the vaccine rollout helps us return to something more like normal times.’ Only ‘something’ is highly concerning.

I will be writing an email especially in relation to the first point so if anyone knows the law better than I do please help me out! Thanks.

329209 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to nocheesegromit, 7, #1103 of 1551 🔗

The words ”offered” and ”expect” don’t sit well together, do they?

329212 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Banjones, 5, #1104 of 1551 🔗

Not at all.

329222 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1105 of 1551 🔗

It doesn’t say you must , but the implication seems to be there.

329234 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #1106 of 1551 🔗

Voluntary but recommended = ignore

329238 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1107 of 1551 🔗

Believe me I will – I just don’t want them to coerce other students into taking the test. Someone on Twitter has directed me to the UNESCO Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights Article 6.1 which I’ll be using in my email.

329363 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1108 of 1551 🔗

Basically this. It’s coercive, copy in your students union and any uni group that claims to represent freedom. Tell the university you’ll not be taking part. We’ll all have to step up this year.

329254 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1109 of 1551 🔗

Just ask for ALL the information they have on the vaccine, pros and cons, risk analysis done, side effects, etc etc. The Nuremberg Code (which I assume still stands!), amongst other things, says that you can only take it with INFORMED consent. If you’re not fully informed (and I leave it to you to judge at what point you’ve been fully informed – ahem!) you don’t have to take it.

As with the other commenters, if it’s voluntary but recommended it’s your choice and nobody else’s.


329283 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to DavidC, 2, #1110 of 1551 🔗

It may not actually be made compulsory, but they will try everything they can to coerce us into accepting their genocidal vaccines. They just can’t allow the refuseniks to remain standing while the vaccinated are dropping like flies.

329372 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to DavidC, 1, #1111 of 1551 🔗

Thanks, but the expectation refers to the lateral flow tests. I think the vaccine is a long way off from reaching us students!

329425 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1112 of 1551 🔗

Whoops, that’s me reading what I thought I saw rather than what was actually there! Same reply though, voluntary but recommended…if you don’t want it don’t take it. I wouldn’t unless I had symptoms.


329455 ▶▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to DavidC, 1, #1113 of 1551 🔗

No worries, and I’m definitely not planning to!

329274 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to nocheesegromit, #1114 of 1551 🔗

The “something more like normal times” may well be concerning, however the prospect of a Covid-19 vaccine should be far more worrying.

329275 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1115 of 1551 🔗

Wasn’t it York that decreed that in the event of fire, Covvipositive students should be left to burn to death while they rescued the negatives?

329375 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Annie, 3, #1116 of 1551 🔗

Yep, that was my esteemed university that maintained this was an ‘error’ rather than a colossal fuck up.

329328 ▶▶ james007, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1117 of 1551 🔗

The University I worked at until last year have incorporated tested into the registration process:

“From January, all students and PGRs will be required to book an asymptomatic Covid-19 test before resuming their studies or research, in line with government guidance.”

Elsewhere, they use that appalling perversion of the English language, which has now become common, especially by politicians. They use the verb “ask” to mean something which they demand, of at the very least expect of you.

“We are asking all students to book they asymptomatic test prior to working on campus”

329380 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to james007, 2, #1118 of 1551 🔗

Jesus, would you mind sharing the name of the uni and the relevant correspondence at all? I’m in touch with UsforThemUni so I’d expect they’d be straight on the case with this.

329401 ▶▶▶▶ james007, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1119 of 1551 🔗

Yes, sure- this is Surrey.

“To ensure students can safely resume their studies in person in January, we will require all students and PGRs to book an asymptomatic Covid-19 test, in line with government guidance, before they return to face-to-face study, research or teaching.”


Happy to provide more details. They have just updated their policy again today in line with the announcements.
All learning is online in Jan, with some exemptions I think, if permission is granted.

329419 ▶▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to james007, 2, #1120 of 1551 🔗

Thank you! Ours is exactly the same RE: learning online. I’ve had precisely 1 in person seminar all year.

329430 ▶▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to james007, 1, #1121 of 1551 🔗

UsforThem have just come back to me – they’re contacting lawyers about this. They’re asking for evidence to support their case if you know anyone that’d be able to help.

329457 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ james007, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1122 of 1551 🔗

I would be happy to help if I am able to. You send me an PM in the forums.

329443 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to james007, #1123 of 1551 🔗

If it’s all online, then testing makes no sense.

329354 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #1124 of 1551 🔗

Tell them you expect your 9k back if they continue to harass you. Also you are not having one as you don’t need one, plus they will nick your DNA.

329414 ▶▶ dhid, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1125 of 1551 🔗

If it says the tests are voluntary then I guess they know they aren’t (at the moment) enforceable.

As others say – “offered” “expect”

As for something more like normal times.” – shudder!

329484 ▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to nocheesegromit, #1126 of 1551 🔗


There are some points in here that aren’t relevant as about school kids but otherwise most of the points are applicable to your situation

329207 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1127 of 1551 🔗

Following the intriguing remarks made by Toyah recently regarding something potentially happening mid January. I think I may have found something. Somebody on Radio 4 Today this morning mentioned our friends at Porton Down are testing the two vaccines as to whether they can stop transmission of the virus. They are due to report in two weeks time. If they do stop transmission it means vaccinated people can stop wearing masks. If not, masks are going to be around for a very long time.

329211 ▶▶ adamsson, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #1128 of 1551 🔗

Porton down will follow orders

329218 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1129 of 1551 🔗



329223 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DavidC, 8, #1130 of 1551 🔗

It’s a Mystery!

329268 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1131 of 1551 🔗



329227 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to DavidC, 3, #1132 of 1551 🔗

Wilcox . 70’s/80’s chanteuse and actress. (and Mrs Robert Fripp for the prog rock fans )
Actually her first record was an EP called “Sheep farming in Barnet” – quite appropriate these days

329245 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to mj, 3, #1133 of 1551 🔗

She was on the money with “I wanna be free!” though.

329265 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to mj, #1134 of 1551 🔗

I’m aware of who she is (Mrs Fripp – I’m a big KC fan) but my question was related to the intriguing remarks! Intriguing remarks by Toyah?


329439 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to DavidC, #1135 of 1551 🔗

nothing beyond keep the faith till mid Jan when something major may happen will be for the good.
I could post the link but most folk here found it hard to watch without gagging at one point!

329273 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to mj, 1, #1136 of 1551 🔗

Sheep farming in Barnet” – quite appropriate these days”


329221 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1137 of 1551 🔗

Porton Down have been officially researching “The common cold virus” since about the 1960’s…so they say. That’s ALL they do there innit? They are The COMMON COLD GUYS…

In the minds of the sheeple.

329338 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1138 of 1551 🔗

I think they did actually do that (among other things…) but they discovered that the common cold virus mutated every year….sounds familiar somehow…..


329226 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1139 of 1551 🔗

They’re doing comparison tests with Novichok which stops just about anything you can think of.

329258 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1140 of 1551 🔗

It didn’t stop the Skripals, now where are they?

329280 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Rowan, 4, #1141 of 1551 🔗

Last I heard they caught Covid19 from a park bench in Wuhan.

329348 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1142 of 1551 🔗

MI6 get everywhere.

329237 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1143 of 1551 🔗

Perhaps they are going to “roll out” A VIRUS!

A cold virus that they know is pretty harmless but that is one spready little bastard that will infect loads of people but not cause them any harm but will make them immune to the rock-star of covids that supposedly does kills all it infects.

What is the diffrence between a vaccine and an actual virus anyway?

I bet the cold virus guys at Proton Down have just the thing in great quantities, isolated, fully quantified and refined over many years of research. Research which supposedly involves infecting test subjects with the cold….From the store cupboard, variety D, the one with the pink label….The spready little bastard that doesn’t make them that ill.

Oh yer come and get your AHEM vaccine, just inhale this spray up your nose, yes you may feel a little unwell for a few days, here are some tissues and lemsip.

329250 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1144 of 1551 🔗

Porton Down were also involved in the Skripal pyramid of lies the Government told as well. So, they will, as Adamson said, follow orders.

329276 ▶▶ dommo, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1145 of 1551 🔗

how on earth has toyah got an inside track on porton down?

329324 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to dommo, 2, #1146 of 1551 🔗



329441 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to dommo, #1147 of 1551 🔗

I don’t know. It’s my linkage between her remark and something said today on radio about Porton Down and a report to be made in two weeks.

329995 ▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to crimsonpirate, #1148 of 1551 🔗

Oh great! Even more pressure to have the vaccine

329214 DThom, replying to DThom, 24, #1149 of 1551 🔗

Ryanair adverts making me sick
‘Jab and go’
Hope they go bust!

329229 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to DThom, 9, #1150 of 1551 🔗

There’s been a lot of complaints to Ryanair about this advert. Someone posted a reply they had received on twitter. They, Ryanair, said a vaccine wouldn’t be a requirement to fly. It was simply their choice of words for marketing to encourage people to book and fly. Misleading choice of words. But time will tell what they actually do I suppose.

329255 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Suzyv, 1, #1151 of 1551 🔗

Ryanair business model is highly suspect and they seem to be getting funding outside of their normal airline business. Of course, Ryanair is not a normal airline business.

329295 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rowan, 3, #1152 of 1551 🔗

They are certainly optimistic. They’ve bought a load of new planes when the market for flight isn’t exactly looking promising.

329584 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Rowan, #1153 of 1551 🔗

Bring back Freddy Laker.

329233 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 17, #1154 of 1551 🔗

I have submitted the following FOI request to the Whittington Health NHS Trust today:

“Further to the comments made by your Consultant Professor Hugh Montgomery today (as reported by the BBC here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55479018 ), I would be grateful if you could provide the following information in relation to the Whittington Health NHS Trust:

The number of (i) available adult critical care beds (ii) occupied adult critical care beds on the last Thursday of the month (or some other appropriate date) for the following months:

March 2020
April 2020
May 2020
June 2020
July 2020
August 2020
September 2020
October 2020
November 2020
December 2020

As at each of the following months (i) the total monthly days of staff absence on account of sickness (ii) the total monthly days of staff absence on account of self-isolation and (iii) the average number of employees by headcount and by Full-Time Equivalence:

March 2020
April 2020
May 2020
June 2020
July 2020
August 2020
September 2020
October 2020
November 2020
December 2020

I look forward to hearing from you.”

329244 ▶▶ dpj, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 15, #1155 of 1551 🔗

Well done, let’s see what response you get. That disgusting interview he gave with BBC was effectively him declaring war on sceptics so he deserves anything we can throw back at him.

329259 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to dpj, 5, #1156 of 1551 🔗

He’s an acolyte of the Church of Climatism. They’ve been making these claims for years based on their hypothetical masturbation toys. But sadly we are now seeing this metastisize into real life.

329282 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to mhcp, 4, #1157 of 1551 🔗

So he believes, like Greta, the world is going to end in 3 years because of carbon emissions…it used to be 5 but – hey! – time passes!

329362 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to OKUK, 1, #1158 of 1551 🔗

Well then, we need to eat drink and be merry for the next 3 years!

329445 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jo Dominich, #1159 of 1551 🔗

…at home? Wooeee!

329417 ▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to OKUK, #1160 of 1551 🔗

wasnt supposed to snow after 2010, 2020 take a look outside,whats that white stuff????

329434 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to iansn, #1161 of 1551 🔗

Yes. It’s been so warm here that today I had to smash the ice on the birdbath with a brick.Yesterday, I lifted an inch thick wheel of ice off it, which is still propped against the wall (not) thawing.

329444 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to iansn, #1162 of 1551 🔗

Must have come from all those Himalayan glaciers that will have melted away entirely by now according to the IPCC.

329303 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to mhcp, 2, #1163 of 1551 🔗

These true believers seem remarkably careless about the amount of hot air they generate.

329251 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #1164 of 1551 🔗

only 21 admissions on latest date quoted on covid dashboard. Hardly overwhelming

329399 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1165 of 1551 🔗

And is there info on discharges?

329428 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Banjones, 1, #1166 of 1551 🔗

they don’t provide that data, just admissions, admissions to date and currently admitted

329436 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, #1167 of 1551 🔗

Don’t you find that on the NHS data spreadsheet?

329297 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #1168 of 1551 🔗

Well done! Of course there are other ways of finding out the info, but this brings it out into the open.

329239 Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #1169 of 1551 🔗

Dutch death figures. Retweet by Ivor Cummins, but I don’t personally know anything about the source. Nevertheless, it seems to fit the emerging global pattern: overall deaths in “once in a lifetime” pandemic year not really that much different from ordinary variations in death numbers over past few decades, regardless of policy responses.


Doubtless a few late reported deaths still to come, but Armageddon, it ain’t. Despite unknown but probably significant numbers of deaths caused by panic responses themselves.

329248 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Mark, 6, #1170 of 1551 🔗

The sheeple just comfort themselves with the idea it would have been worse without lockdowns and recite ‘But there have been less road traffic deaths’ (without realising only 1500 people a year die on the roads.)

Facts and figures will not convince them of anything.

329278 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to jb12, 1, #1171 of 1551 🔗

Sadly. See my post above.


329243 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 14, #1172 of 1551 🔗

I don’t smoke so never look but I’m assuming this country no longer sells cigarettes in any shops? If they care so much about people’s health.

329247 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hubes, #1173 of 1551 🔗

Of course you can buy cigarettes, where do you think people get them?

329257 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Rowan, 2, #1174 of 1551 🔗

I think it was a joke……

329267 ▶▶ mj, replying to Hubes, 3, #1175 of 1551 🔗

they dont care about smoking deaths …. they just count the tax revenue (£8 billion a year) and also the pension savings from early deaths . And it fits with the WEF population reduction models

329290 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to mj, 5, #1176 of 1551 🔗

Yep. Spot on. Which is why the morons who think the government give a shit about them or their health need to wake up. Sadly they’ll continue to live in ignorance

329296 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Hubes, 7, #1177 of 1551 🔗

I assume every single doctor, healthcare worker, member of the governing classes and lockdownista has given up? Also they no longer drink alcohol or drive and are the ideal weight?

They wouldn’t be hypocrites, would they? 😉

329304 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Hubes, 6, #1178 of 1551 🔗

But haven’t we heard that covid is likely to be less severe (!) in smokers?

329315 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Banjones, #1179 of 1551 🔗

Those darned ACE2 receptors!


329246 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #1180 of 1551 🔗

When the reckoning comes every person on Earth should be jailed.

According to Professor Hugh Montgomery the most culpable will be those who didn’t follow the rules.

You know the ones that change from one day to the next. So if on a certain day you were told that masks aren’t necessary then the next they’re mandatory and you followed the rules to the letter you get a Royal Pardon.

If exempt then you are given an honorary 007 status – licence to kill

Punishment will be on a sliding scale based on how much you adhered to the rules. So for those who made a mistake but inadvertently killed somebody, such as Piers Morgan, Gary Lineker or even Nicola Sturgeon they may be eligible for early release.

As for those who totally disregarded the rules altogether it is almost certain, without evidence and no proof needed, that you have killed somebody. In which case there will be a special place in hell for you.

The lesson here is that a mask will give you immunity – from prosecution when the reckoning comes. Prof Montgomery has offered no proof that people following the rules do not pass on the virus but hey it’s the thought that counts.

329260 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1181 of 1551 🔗

I’d be interested in this medics background. Looking at his Wikipedia entry it looks a bit blank in places (1990’s to early 2000’s). I dont know what his political stance is – but I can take a guess.

329272 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Alan P, 3, #1182 of 1551 🔗

77th ?

329288 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Alan P, 1, #1183 of 1551 🔗

Held in a secure institution for several years until it was believed he coukd safely be released into the community, possibly? (how wrong can they be!),

329322 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Alan P, 2, #1184 of 1551 🔗

I posted earlier – judging by his posts on Twitter, he’s a climate change fanatic. So we can draw our own conclusions about his political views. I’m so totally disgusted with his baseless accusation, I have no words!

329262 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1185 of 1551 🔗

Covid has def brought out the nutters, its down to lockdown to keep things sane

329279 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2020, #1186 of 1551 🔗

👍 👍 👍 👍

329256 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 22, #1187 of 1551 🔗

This one gave me a good laugh:


I’ve just been called a conspiracy theorist in Tesco by someone who explained the lack of piled up bodies is because they’re being stored in an aircraft hanger in Helston.

329284 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #1188 of 1551 🔗

You’d think someone would notice their familes are missing people with all these deaths.

I read on here a while back from someone who knew a funeral director who said they are no busier than usual.

329298 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1189 of 1551 🔗

Ah yes, the Cornish Area 51… 😉

329367 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Nick Rose, 10, #1190 of 1551 🔗

Nick, just to say that some years ago I went on a three day course run by The Cabinet Office about Emergency Planning which was, in fact, very interesting. Now that you have mentioned bodies piled up, it is important to note that, in a real pandemic the Government has a contract with Tesco to supply refrigerated trucks to store and transport bodies. Has anyone seen in their area, stationary Tesco lorries near their hospitals or other buildings? They would be visible, a plenty and be staffed by medical staff. So, since we are in a scamdemic, these refrigerated lorries are nowhere in evidence!!

329424 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1191 of 1551 🔗

that’s nothing. In one report early on I remember the Govt giving permission to local authorities to make use of funeral pyres. I was surprised the press didn’t pick up on that.

329261 Annie, replying to Annie, 20, #1192 of 1551 🔗

So people who don’t sd or knicker their faces are killers, eh?
You can’t do a group indictment for murder or manslaughter. In either case you need to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that a particular non-zombie infected a particular zombie on a particular occasion, and that the subsequent death of the zombie was directly and solely attributable to the encounter with the non-zombie.
Good luck with that.

329281 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Annie, 18, #1193 of 1551 🔗

I feel sure that stopping many urgently needed treatments for serious diseases has had a massive effect on the death rates, which is more important than a face rag

329300 ▶▶▶ james007, replying to DanClarke, 21, #1194 of 1551 🔗

I know of someone who broke into tears on the phone this week. After everything that has happened this year, she was told her chemo had to be delayed again because her daughter had tested Covid positive. She hadn’t actually seen her daughter for Christmas. Her daughter left Christmas Dinner on her doorstep for her to eat alone. The rules are the rules apparently. If only she had lied.

329308 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to james007, 17, #1195 of 1551 🔗

That is so desperately sad. I hate these bastards for what they are doing.

329310 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to james007, 5, #1196 of 1551 🔗

That’s sad to read.


329326 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to james007, 4, #1197 of 1551 🔗

Its a real tragedy, cant wait for judgment day

329327 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to james007, 9, #1198 of 1551 🔗

Yet another demonstration of the fact that abject servility does you no good whatsoever.

329411 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to james007, #1199 of 1551 🔗

My God.

329339 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1200 of 1551 🔗

I’m a bit of a stickler for the correct name: filthy face rag.

And what about all of us who are genuinely exempt from the filthy face rags. What right does he have to create a hostile environment for exempt?

329330 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Annie, 8, #1201 of 1551 🔗

This crazed medic is contributing to the deaths of thousands by failing to publicise key risk factors such as obesity and Vitamin D deficiency and failing to identify effective treatments such as Ivermectin anc HCQ. Is he claiming there are no health risks associated with long term mask usage or thag masks cannot be effective carriers of pathogens?

329336 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to OKUK, 6, #1202 of 1551 🔗

And, he’s recklessly encouraging the mask zealots to take on the un-masked.

329349 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, 6, #1203 of 1551 🔗

Thugs don’t always wear bovver boots. Sometimes they come dressed in a pin striped suit.

329395 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Annie, 2, #1204 of 1551 🔗

Laughable and so easily ignored.

329263 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 44, #1205 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year to all you mavericks and nonconformists. I’m off to a mate’s for a get-together. Don’t worry about his neighbours, they’ll be there too! Raise a glass to us old school South Londoners! I’ll be raising a glass to all of you.

Stay sceptical. Stay rational. Stay sane.

God bless the mavericks.

329277 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to common conservative, 12, #1206 of 1551 🔗


329320 ▶▶ quodcumque, replying to common conservative, 8, #1207 of 1551 🔗

They always go on about the masks don’t they?! If they really thought people need to take extraordinary measures to prevent the spread of this virus (and I don’t) they should surely criticise people for not ventilating rooms and not “social distancing”. This has much more to do with enforcing visible obedience to the cause and punishment of heretics.

329325 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to common conservative, 18, #1208 of 1551 🔗

From this s east Londoner, fuck em all and bottoms up. We shall be doing the same and then home for a curry.

Happy new year to your all, fuck staying safe.

329394 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to stefarm, 2, #1209 of 1551 🔗

Cheers! As you say live “dangerously”!

329583 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to stefarm, #1210 of 1551 🔗

Too right, old son. And I said stay *sane* not stay safe. What do you take me for, cocker? 🙂

329355 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to common conservative, 5, #1211 of 1551 🔗

The sensible side of the river! Sarf London!

329391 ▶▶ dhid, replying to common conservative, 2, #1212 of 1551 🔗

Cheers and I raise (yet another) glass to that! Enjoy!

329516 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to common conservative, 1, #1213 of 1551 🔗

Cheers my friend!

329585 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Maverick, #1214 of 1551 🔗

Ha ha. Yes, Maverick!

329299 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 19, #1215 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year everyone.

I want to end the year with a confession. I probably follow the rules more than most on here.

But only because I’ve always been pretty antisocial 😉

See you next year wherever you may be.

329311 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #1216 of 1551 🔗

Scepticism is of the mind, rebellion of the body.

329312 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Nobody2020, 14, #1217 of 1551 🔗

me too, I realised I was into social distancing long before it became fashionable, looked for the table the furthest away etc

329386 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to DanClarke, 9, #1218 of 1551 🔗

I guess I have been a bit of a “social distancer” as I left my younger “boogie” years, and tended to look for quiet tables etc, but during all this crap I started to have a strange urge to hug the fellow unmasked when out – I have resisted thus far…Lol!

329323 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #1219 of 1551 🔗

I have been ‘social distancing’ for 40 years?….doesnt mean I dont like other people though……..

329383 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1220 of 1551 🔗

They do that on buses and have for years and years…

A good New Year to all.

329479 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Luckyharry69, #1221 of 1551 🔗

Colds landed me in hospital as a child so I instinctively keep a distance from anyone I’m not with. I still used to enjoy going out though and still enjoy seeing people!

329302 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 9, #1222 of 1551 🔗

In future telling an enormous and unbelievable lie will be known as “dropping a huge Montgomery”.

329346 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to OKUK, 2, #1223 of 1551 🔗

We should drop him and Hancrock on opposite sides of the Western Desert and hope they don’t find each other.

329415 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1224 of 1551 🔗

Monty: Our part in his downfall

329636 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1225 of 1551 🔗

Dear Spike, he told them he was ill.

329412 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to OKUK, 3, #1226 of 1551 🔗

His comments have been slated by a caller to talkRADIO just now. I think the caller also said they had reported him to the police for engaging in ‘hate speech’.

329490 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, #1227 of 1551 🔗

His book is avaliable here

329305 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 22, #1228 of 1551 🔗

I was phoned by a friend of some 30 years standing a bit earlier. He made a couple of comments about Covid and I implored him not to go down that route (he’s been a BBC follower). He made a comment about a friend of his (in medicine apparently) talking about hospitals being overwhelmed, including Cambridge. I started quoting the recent ICU occupation facts and figures and he refused to acknowledge them, saying I was “talking bullshit”. I said that some hospitals might be overwhelmed (we are, after all, into the normal winter season) but overall hospitals appear NOT to be. I offered to provide the data itself and he refused.

Fortunately the phone call ended on a better note.

Anyway, I’ve been on to the Covid dashboard and since 1st November across the two main Cambridgeshire NHS Foundation Trusts there have been 33 deaths – that’s over 120 data points. And my friend (for he remains as such) refuses point blank to let me show him the DATA! Am I missing something?!


329309 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to DavidC, 13, #1229 of 1551 🔗

Cognitive dissonance writ large!

329361 ▶▶ Mark, replying to DavidC, 11, #1230 of 1551 🔗

Why would they want to listen to dangerously subversive facts? You might be persuasive, and then either the facts are wrong and they risk being wrong themselves, or the facts are correct, in which case they risk being persuaded into becoming a dissenter in a society in which dissent can be decidedly unhealthy for your personal and work life, at the least.

329410 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to DavidC, 5, #1231 of 1551 🔗

the Covid dashboard is our friend. Especially since Carl Heneghan put up that tweet about how to look up data for each NHS trust. Since Christmas I have cross referenced any BBC news report featuring a doctor and/or hospital. Surprising how many are non specific ie a doctor in a London hospital.

329306 Marina Peerman, replying to Marina Peerman, 18, #1232 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year to you all, Toby and the team. I feel really lucky to have had this site this year. I’ve got my Tequila, and am about to watch a movie that reminds me of a time before the world seemed to lose it’s collective head. Here’s to the fight back in 2021!

329332 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Marina Peerman, 4, #1233 of 1551 🔗

I can recommend TPTV, Marina.
Happy new year to you.

329313 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 53, #1234 of 1551 🔗


  1. That the government is not and probably never has been your friend.
  2. That the entire media ruthlessly pursues its own agenda and loves to drive up hysteria and utterly fails to provide any kind of analytical journalism or critical thinking.
  3. That the freedoms which we thought were intrinsically ours and were inalienable are nothing of the kind. Indeed they can be brushed aside like a puff of smoke.
  4. That governments are quite prepared to inflict catastrophic damage on their own economies….a kind of ‘friendly fire’ on their own countries.
  5. That the Great British Public cannot in the slightest sense be relied on to defend freedoms and liberties and actually do not even appear to value such things.
  6. That within every town and even every street there are Stasi informers who are quite happy to inform on their neighbours for what used to be seen as perfectly normal activities.
  7. That the modern police are effectively a paramilitary force who are happy to enforce whatever draconian ‘regulations’ the government decrees and have a clearly two faced approach to protests. There are good pro establishment protests like XR and seditious protests like anti lockdown.
  8. That even among our our closest friends and families there are people who are quite prepared to lie down and obey absurd government rules including those who liked to think of themselves as radical rebels.
  9. That almost all businesses large and small are quite prepared to lie down like lambs to the slaughter even when this leads to the liquidation of their business and actively and enthusiastically implement the anti business lockdown policies.
  10. I generally avoid politics (as Rick H says there are too many distractions down this alley) but we have learnt that Alexandra Johnston is an utter charlatan and a lying fraudulent lump of lard who deserves to be swinging from a downing street lamp post at midnight tonight.

I’d love to hear of any things others on the site have learnt from this year (without doubt the worst of my life).

329335 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Boris Bullshit, 16, #1235 of 1551 🔗

i think you’ve pretty much covered all bases, but major omission: the nhs is not fit for purpose (but we did probably already know that before 2020 didn’t we)

329347 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #1236 of 1551 🔗

Agree with all what you’ve said!! Happy New Year.

329378 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Boris Bullshit, 10, #1237 of 1551 🔗

First past the post has run its course.

We really do need major constitutional reform including a written constitution.

We really do need a health service funded by social health insurance

We really do not need a state broadcaster

329464 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #1238 of 1551 🔗

A state broadcaster would behave just like the BBC has done.

329388 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Boris Bullshit, 21, #1239 of 1551 🔗

I’d like to add two things:

  1. The apparent diversity of the mainstream media (by which I mean mostly TV) has been conclusively proven to be a sham. At the beginning of this con, all channels suddenly coalesced into one monolithic weapon that constantly and viciously pushed the same story out without cease.
  2. The vast majority of the public have no awareness whatsoever of how media propaganda works and are like new-born children in the face of it all. And if you raise any issues outside of that narrow realm projected by this media, then this public react with vehemence as if defending their favourite toy.
329396 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to George Mc, 9, #1240 of 1551 🔗

And to expand on point 2, it’s grimly amusing to hear what you thought were intelligent people hold forth on an allegedly critical view of current matters whilst not having the faintest notion that even this “challenging” view has been supplied to them by the media.

329458 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to George Mc, 4, #1241 of 1551 🔗

Yes this is very true…..the media are like the political parties….different brands but same core beliefs. Changing channels or parties brings no change in the message. Its a bit like Henry Ford with his you can have any colour car so long as its black. You are also right about the anger you provoke by attacking the media.

329449 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #1242 of 1551 🔗

You forgot.

If you eat a substantial meal in public you can’t catch a respiratory illness.

329463 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Hubes, 1, #1243 of 1551 🔗

Yes indeed what a ludicrous idea…..now though we are almost all in tier 3 or 4 so we can’t even eat now!

329459 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #1244 of 1551 🔗

Point no.6 was not new information – I made a study of the behaviour of informers for the Gestapo in Nazi Germany and they were “normal”, thought they were being civic-minded, patriotic etc. although in some cases they were working off a grudge. I have never believed the British had any special love of freedom, so that was not a revelation. Points five, seven and eight were not great surprises either although in those cases people were a little worse than I imagined, but not much worse. Four and nine – we’ll see – the true economic toll of this bullshit may not have sunk in yet.
A Libyan work colleague in the 1990s decried the “militant apathy” of the British. A characteristic that does result in British people getting sand kicked in their faces, in a manner of speaking.

329469 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #1245 of 1551 🔗

Viruses can count and tell the time!
Those you thought were your friends can betray you.
Most people lack any idea how viruses spead.
Believe in God or in what is good, not the covid cult

329508 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #1246 of 1551 🔗


329593 ▶▶ Leaky, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #1247 of 1551 🔗

Great post – your thoughts echo the post at the American Institute for Economic Research by Roger Koops. Basically, it smashes the pharma, WHO, State and media nonsense we’re being fed in relation to Covid19 :
2020 is a year of disguises. Some examples include computer models/modelers disguised as “science/scientists,” Tyrants/Dictators/Totalitarians disguised as “elected officials,” propaganda machines disguised as “news sources,” brainwashing disguised as “information,” censorship disguised as “public health safeguard,” panic and fear disguised as “social responsibility.”

329317 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 32, #1248 of 1551 🔗

In the West Midlands we have been warned that anybody that attempts to hold a party will be “dealt with” by the police (Gestapo).
Car theft,burglaries,Vandalism,Anti social behaviour: No chance but people wanting to lead a normal life, now that’s a serious offence.

329341 ▶▶ mj, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1249 of 1551 🔗

dont you feel so much better that your Chief constable has been knighted in the new years honours list . Services to ………….. (put in your own answer ) .

329351 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to mj, 3, #1250 of 1551 🔗

Brown nosing (clean version)

329321 George Mc, 38, #1251 of 1551 🔗

I have this wonderful dream about how it may have gone:

If back in spring when the non-stop horror show started, everyone did what I did i.e. simply switched off TV.

And then they all go outside.

And the local law enforcer asks irritably, “Where are your masks?”

And everyone says, “What masks?”

And the enforcer says, “Haven’t you been watching TV?

And everyone says, “No”.

End of story!

329331 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 47, #1252 of 1551 🔗

The fireworks started an hour ago. It’s going to be a long night.

To those of you about to enjoy an evening’s celebration with friends and family, have a great time!

I’ll be around for a while yet but I wanted to thank you all for sharing your friendship, your research, your wonderful humour and your common sense.

I have a bottle of organic prosecco that was bought as a Christmas present and, as I have no-one here to share it with, you’ll have to excuse me if my posts become somewhat slurred as the evening progresses.

Bless you all and my very best wishes to you and yours.

329337 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #1253 of 1551 🔗

And to you, Cheezilla.

329342 ▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #1254 of 1551 🔗

These are crazy times. Happy New Year to you.

329343 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #1255 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year and KBO

329345 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cheezilla, 35, #1256 of 1551 🔗

You know what, when I made my first tentative posts here back in April/May, I never thought I would still be here on New Year’s Eve!

Cheers to you Cheezilla and every other LS. I will toast you all … with my mug of tea!

329473 ▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to kh1485, 4, #1257 of 1551 🔗

Well done for everything you have done this year (had to change my profile name previously posting as Richard) – looking forward to when you can host the LS victory party..

329496 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 5, #1258 of 1551 🔗

Still here and still unbeaten and unbowed! Brilliant, kh!

329357 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Cheezilla, 20, #1259 of 1551 🔗

Thanks, C. I too shall be on my own tonight and will raise a glass to everyone on here and on OffGuardian (where I post fairly regularly under a different ID) who have kept me sane whilst surrounded by insanity for the past nine months.

Cheers, everyone, and here’s to fighting the good fight!

329365 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Cheezilla, 25, #1260 of 1551 🔗

Cheezilla, your comments through the year are ones I’ve followed on LS together with Annie, Nick Rose (great charts Nick), Fingerache Philip, OKUK, khl485, Ceriain, Banjones, Two-Six, Hieronimusb, nocheesegromit, Awkward Git, Nobody2020, Tom Blackburn, Biker and these are just the ones who come to mind now! I’ve missed loads but thanks to everyone who has kept me sane.

I’ve said (several times!) that I have a degree in Microbiology but I have wondered through the year whether, despite looking at DATA and FIGURES, I’ve missed something fundamental and whether I could be totally wrong in my appraisal of what’s been going on – I’m not arrogant enough to believe that I am right and everyone else is wrong. But thanks to Toby for putting this site together where people who are interested in FACTS and linking to people who are experts (John Ioannidis, Carl Heneghan, John Lees, Sunetra Gupta and all the others) it’s made me feel less alone in all this.

Happy New Year to everyone and thanks.


329387 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DavidC, 10, #1261 of 1551 🔗

Much appreciated, David.
I honestly think that LS has kept us sane.
All the best to you and yours.

329390 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DavidC, 10, #1262 of 1551 🔗

Thanks for the mention, David; very kind of you. 🙂

I doubt you are totally wrong, sir; I think, like many of us here who have a STEM background/education, you are just disappointed in how all of our ‘sciences’ have been used in the name of propaganda.

Happy New Year, friend.

329402 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to DavidC, 5, #1263 of 1551 🔗

Thanks, David – and all best wishes to you too. This is a little oasis of sanity first thing in the day, before we get bombarded with madness. It makes one feel stronger knowing that there are others on one’s side.
Many of us (and I include myself) are not experts, but I daresay if we can just share what we think about the situation, and how we see it from our own unique viewpoints, then that helps us all.

329498 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DavidC, 7, #1264 of 1551 🔗

There are times when one person IS right and everybody else IS wrong.
They are the people who make history.

329543 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to DavidC, 4, #1265 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year, David. The fundamental thing we are missing stems from the loss of common decency by the very people who we trust to strive for its continuance on our behalf. We have no choice but to fight this insanity with everything that we possess, and we will do it. Atb to you and yours.

329366 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1266 of 1551 🔗

On my own too – first firework heard 4.30pm!

Your organic Prosecco sounds good, just on an Aussie Merlot here, but quite palatable!

Best wishes to all. Here’s hoping sanity may return (at some point) in 2021 – cheers!

329377 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1267 of 1551 🔗

Bless you all and my very best wishes to you and yours.

Beautifully put. Best wishes to you, too.

btw. Since you’re about; how’s your little family addition (babybel?) doing?

329603 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1268 of 1551 🔗

Babybel is doing well thank you. Still in hospital but just out of NICU and into the nursery. I’ll hopefully be posting an update very soon. Thanks for your interest.

329405 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1269 of 1551 🔗

To you too. And thank you.

329518 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1270 of 1551 🔗

this is too all in this thread and more. But this one in particular seems to have all the usual suspects in it. Thanks all for the posts and support. Keep the fire burning we will need the big push next year, over the top lads (and lassies). All the best and happy new year one and all.

329344 Mark, replying to Mark, 37, #1271 of 1551 🔗

This is a nice one, from Joel Smalley. Another hard truth for the panickers to explain:

In a really rather peculiar turn events, non-COVID winter deaths are negative for the first time ever. In other words, there is apparently less death this winter than you would usually expect during the summer . ”


As he puts it, they’ve run out of deaths to [falsely] attribute to covid.

329373 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 6, #1272 of 1551 🔗

That’s brilliant! Thanks for posting that.

Makes you wonder how they would try to explain that.

329353 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 42, #1273 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year to everyone here. Let’s reflect on this year – count our blessings and mourn for what we have lost.

Thank you all for being a rocks and supports that I can lean on. You have been wonderful and an inspiration.

Mr Bart & I have Cava and some nibbles for later.

All the best and Keep Buggering On for 2021!

329359 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #1274 of 1551 🔗

Cheers! I’ve started already! Lol!

329360 Paul, 29, #1275 of 1551 🔗

Our daughter,who is a hospital porter,has today (31/12) received in the post a Christmas card from the board of the NHS trust she works for.It was sent 1st class post and based on the numbers of employees the trust has I estimate if every one was sent a card this pointless exercise has cost upwards of £10,000 of taxpayers money.No wonder the bloody NHS struggles to do anything when money is wasted like this,I have put an FOI request in to ask how much money has been spent on Christmas cards etc this year.

329368 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 37, #1276 of 1551 🔗

I’m signing out for 2020 to celebrate the New Year my own way, as I always have. It will involve crossing borders and bending one or two other rules to snapping point. Maybe three or more…

I wish you all a very Happy and Prosperous New Year, whether we are friends or not, whether we have met or not, whether we agreed or not. Perhaps especially if we have not.

Friends, don’t give up now, the government’s narrative cannot be held for ever. A saying is attributed to the Knights Templar, I recommend we adopt it for our own: “Wine is strong, a king is stronger; women are even stronger. But TRUTH conquers all.”

We will win, we are winning. Let’s see this thing through and, as a new friend said yesterday, let’s see how it unravels. Let us celebrate the discomfort of our true enemies when that time comes. As come it will.

Happy New Year!!

329404 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1277 of 1551 🔗

All the best, Nick. 🙂

329494 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1278 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year to all, and particularly to our Celtic heroes, in Shithouse Scotland, Idiot Ireland, and most of all, Gulag Wales.

Blwyddyn Newydd Dda, byddan ni’n yn fuddugol, peidiwch â cholli gobaith!

329369 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 32, #1279 of 1551 🔗

A covid és Macron végnapjai? – FMR-PRESS (fmr-europe.com)

‎The situation in France has been revolutionary for more than a month, as protests have been commonplace. The last major movement was on 23. On 27 December, however, the police protested against mandatory vaccination. The French have published an ultimatum that after the holidays, if Macron and his government do not abolish the false austerity measures of Covid, the French people will initiate revolutionary moves to replace the government in 2021. The demonstrators had the prospect that if the police or military intervened, they would no longer respond with protests against the government’s actions. Is history repeating itself now? If this happens in France, it will trigger a domino principle and governments who have participated in the fake epidemic will fail, probably Viktor Orban!‎

329376 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to PastImperfect, 11, #1280 of 1551 🔗

Way to go the French, way to go. You might inspire us all yet! It will certainly reverberate around Europe I don’t know about here. Light the blue touch paper! My guess Macron, being a tinpot dictator with messianic tendencies, will refuse. BANG!

329571 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #1281 of 1551 🔗

Bring the guillotines out of mothballs. First up Macron. After him, a Rothschild whose name I cannot recall. Or, do them both at the same time. Two for the price of one. Priceless.

329488 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #1282 of 1551 🔗

Allez France, les fascistes à la lanterne!

329371 Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Dominich, 31, #1283 of 1551 🔗

Just to wish everyone on here a happy new year with friends, parties and alcohol. Like Nick, I’m signing out too to get stuck into some mulled wine! I haven’t been posting on this site long but I feel like I have known some people on here for a long time.

I am fighting fit and ready for the fight in 2021. See you all back here soon.

329393 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Jo Dominich, 14, #1284 of 1551 🔗

Happy new year to you! I’m just waiting for the guests, don’t usually do new year but this year I’m making an exception just to stick two fingers up really!

Look forward to reading your posts in 2021.

329397 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Jo Dominich, 7, #1285 of 1551 🔗

Some of us you have known longer than you might realise. 🙂

Good wishes to you as well!

329379 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 20, #1286 of 1551 🔗

I blame the WHO. This ongoing international nightmare could only have originated from an undemocratic outfit that has long since been taken over by zealots who will stop at nothing until the world is as they want it.

Are we so stupid to allow this to carry on, with never-ending vaccines, never-ending viral mutations, etc?

Enough already, surely?

329421 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ross Hendry, 5, #1287 of 1551 🔗

WHO is CCP controlled, as is Biden and as are many leading Democrats and Republicans. The CCP have been quite open about how theyi go into a country and aim to influence its policy through bribery of key elite personnel.

How have we ended up in a situation where a Communist-controlled country dedicated to our overthrow (and nursing some very deep, and justifiable, grievances about our past imperial arrogance) is going to be running our nuclear industry and in a position to render half the UK uninhabitable at the flick of a switch?

329504 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, 1, #1288 of 1551 🔗

Here is a Twitter thread with some background on how the CCP runs influence operations:


329382 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 27, #1289 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year fellow sceptics.

2021 will be ours.

329392 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1290 of 1551 🔗

Let’s hope so!

329398 OKUK, 37, #1291 of 1551 🔗

Yes, many thanks to fellow sceptics for wonderful insights, amusing jokes, brilliant refences to important scientific papers suppressed by our media, good advice on how to negotiate the Web of Covid rules and regulations so Boris the Spider doesn’t get you.

As ever, big thanks to Toby for setting up this verdant oasis of sanity in a desert landscape, devoid of comfort and all we hold dear.

May 2021 be the year of our liberation.

329400 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 25, #1292 of 1551 🔗

HNY to all sceptics, and a septic new year to all who support and encourage unnecessary death. In the last twelve months we have seen a concerted effort to turn reality upside down, and many members of the medical profession have covered themselves in obloquy to the detriment of public confidence in their ability to at least do no harm. One thing, thankfully, is certain however: we won’t give up! Cheers!

329406 ▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to Hieronimusb, 13, #1293 of 1551 🔗

Correct. For the most part the medical profession have always laughably bathed in the glow of their assumed esteem amongst the general public. Now we find that they have always interpreted “do no harm” to refer to their career prospects.

329403 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 17, #1294 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year to everyone. I guess everyone is going to have to stay at home like 1999*
*to the younger folk ’99 was the year that every pub, club and restaurant tried to sell tickets at £100 a go. There were no takers!

329408 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1295 of 1551 🔗

Ha, I was 7 at the time. I remember being dragged to a huge house party. It must have been so huge because nobody was willing to pay to get in anywhere!

329427 ▶▶ dommo, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1296 of 1551 🔗

ironically enough, on NYE 1999 i had bad flu and was stuck at home on the sofa watching the queen singing auld lang syne very uncomfortably

329586 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dommo, #1297 of 1551 🔗

And I thought things couldn’t be worse than this!

329407 AnotherSceptic, 25, #1298 of 1551 🔗

Well, it’s been a long year since March up until now. I am going to take a little break from here until Sunday or Monday.
I just want to thank every single one of you for the good sense & comments, they have kept me sane throughout this shit show. Through my up’s & downs.

Before I sign off, I genuinely wish each & every single one of you, a very happy new year when it comes. No face nappies, no anti-social distancing, just lots of happy times, drink, food & good family & friends time.
All the best when it comes peeps.

Speak to you all soon.
2020 since March has been shit, 2021….well, we can all hope & do our bit. Keep up the good fight comrades 🤙🏻

Peace ✌️

329409 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 12, #1299 of 1551 🔗

Uni has gone all online… where can I get my refund

329442 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Ricky1, 4, #1300 of 1551 🔗

My thoughts exactly. I’ve had precisely 1 in person seminar all year ffs.

329462 ▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1301 of 1551 🔗

I wouldn’t worry – I probably only averaged one of those a term during my half hearted History studies in the 90’s – hasn’t done me much harm…

329453 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ricky1, 1, #1302 of 1551 🔗


329495 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Ricky1, 5, #1303 of 1551 🔗

Agreed, students have been shafted.

329413 stevie119, replying to stevie119, 21, #1304 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year to all of you lot out there. I have not been the most prolific poster but I have been reading daily for many months now. Too many months. It was great to stumble across this site all that time ago and it has kept me mostly sane since that day. It was reassuring to know that I was not alone in my suspicions that it just didn t "smell right". You have also made me laugh a fair ole bit - especially that sweary Biker! I m off to break some rules and get proper pissed – because I can. Hopefully, instead of reading this sites offerings, it can soon be redundant and I can use my time profitably elsewhere. Namely in the local and much missed pub! Thank you Toby.

329531 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to stevie119, 3, #1305 of 1551 🔗

As much as we have relied on this community of strangers this year, I know we’d all love to not need this site in the near future. In a strange way I’d miss everyone! Enjoy your rule breaking — we are doing the same.

329416 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #1306 of 1551 🔗

There’s another video of a walk round an empty hospital, this time Croydon.

YouTube already deleted it but it’s on Facebook still. I don’t know how to grab it off there, anyone?

329595 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1308 of 1551 🔗

The clock on the wall reads 19.40 so it’s not representative really. I’m all for revealing bulshit but common areas in hospitals aren’t teeming at night. Posting this sort of stuff makes us as bad as the liars in government.

329622 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to HoMojo, #1309 of 1551 🔗

The fact the podcaster starts by saying “It is 8 o’clock in the evening” may also be a bit of a clue as well. How stupid of him to even be there. Everyone knows that covid only affects people between 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. It’s ridiculous for us to assume that in a pandemic which is taking over the country and overwhelming hospitals there should be any sign of emergency activity at hospitals during the evening and night shifts. How silly of us.

329423 dommo, 2, #1310 of 1551 🔗
329426 godowneasy, 20, #1311 of 1551 🔗

Next year is going to be total full on shit. Somehow all of us need to keep going. Keep the faith. Keep strong keep fighting. Have a great evening. Happy new year to all.

329435 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Noumenon, 8, #1313 of 1551 🔗

Tier 50, where we all have to wear full body condoms like in Naked Gun.

329570 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Noumenon, 2, #1314 of 1551 🔗

“I think the British public expect the Government to do what is right and even though that is sometimes uncomfortable, it is taking the right actions, dealing with these extraordinary times.”

Hahahahahaha !

329433 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 33, #1315 of 1551 🔗

I don’t normally do New Year’s resolutions but I will be making an exception this year. When I’ve sobered up I will be making a list of all the ways I can break the law in 2021. This shouldn’t be too difficult as we are now in Tier 4.

Happy New Year everyone, my thanks to Toby and the team and see you next week.

329438 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Biggles, 6, #1316 of 1551 🔗

What a great idea, I will do the same thing.

329529 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Biggles, 8, #1317 of 1551 🔗

They’ve made it so easy too. I have my daughter and her boyfriend, as well as my brother and his kids here. That’s 3 different households mixing. Never in my worst nightmares did I imagine that having family here for new year’s eve would be breaking the law! We had a great group snowshoe on our property and will be drinking and playing games after a steak and lobster dinner. So decadent, and so illegal…and I love it!

329437 George Mc, 14, #1318 of 1551 🔗

And as I believe Hitler once said (and he should know!) the truly effective lies are the big ones. The Big Lie succeeds so well because most people would never believe that anyone would have the sheer gall to tell such a monster. Also, most people have no idea of how much evil a ruling organisation is capable of.

And the sheer tackiness of what is involved to maintain the lie is scarcely credible – which of course only goes to bolster the lie. Blandly asserted prophecies of what is to come, bad actors having choregraphed breakdowns, videos of “busy hospitals” that don’t even attempt to convince, hackneyed language constantly repeated (and which the public are already familiar with from soap operas), an entire polystyrene pandemic laid out like a children’s nativity play and the glaringly conspicuous omission of what is obviously missing (other points of view, other types of deaths, the dangers of cancelled services etc.) The sheer cartoonish quality of it all ironically tips many towards belief.

And the trump card: to doubt it all is to raise a possibility that is beyond disturbing.

329440 Annie, replying to Annie, 4, #1319 of 1551 🔗

My hero, JP, on the best way to ensure that your kids become zombies, just like you:


329547 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Annie, 2, #1320 of 1551 🔗

Expected a Jordan Peterson vid lol. Yeah JP Sears is sound.

329446 dommo, replying to dommo, 7, #1321 of 1551 🔗

Reiner Fuellmich -new video 28/12/20 – ESSENTIAL VIEWING!!!


329553 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dommo, 3, #1322 of 1551 🔗

Wow. I didn’t know about Drosten’s blatant asymptomatic lie. Interesting stuff!

329582 ▶▶ Leaky, replying to dommo, 3, #1323 of 1551 🔗

I have been tracking Reiner’s progress as closely as I can – mainly because his lawsuits probably offer our best opportunity to expose the Covid hoax – as well as the key players and their motives – and deliver us from this evil. Thanks for sharing the video with its message of hope as we start the New Year.

329448 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1324 of 1551 🔗


Begin around minute 40 and Mark will tell you that Twitter and Facebook were already preparing for the 2020 US election over two years ago. Straight from the horses mouth.

329471 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to dommo, 5, #1326 of 1551 🔗

My impression is that the Deep State is far deeper than any of us imagined. It is established now that the Dominion machines are attached to the Internet and can be hacked…Jovan Pulitzer testified that it was being done in real time while he was giving testimony (Pulitzer is a serious IT heavyweight BTW). The CEO of Dominion had given sworn testimony on oath this was not possible. Any interest from the DoJ or FBI in following this up? You gotta be kidding. The guy responsible for federal cyber security stated a fewk weeks ago, that the Presidential election was the most secure in history! His comments were widely reported in the MSM, including our BBC. The fact he is now proven totally wrong by this finding is ignored by the MSM, including our BBC.

329540 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to OKUK, 6, #1328 of 1551 🔗

I managed to get a copy of the technical report into the Dominion machines. This is my area of expertise and the results are dire. These things would have been a security joke by early 2000’s standards. Far beyond incompetence.

329557 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to OKUK, 1, #1329 of 1551 🔗

My impression is that the Deep State is far deeper than any of us imagined.” Yes indeedy. RFK Jr’s book goes into his Uncle’s Presidency in some detail, makes you think about exactly what he was up against. That was what Eisenhower called the ‘military industrial complex’ & it was smaller then… since then it’s become something of a behemouth.

329555 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to bebophaircut, #1330 of 1551 🔗

Checkout project veritas and their Google videos. Not on YT obs

329451 DRW, replying to DRW, 16, #1331 of 1551 🔗

Wishing you all the best for the new year. This winter was always going to be hard but let us fight on for 2021, may that be our year.

329460 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to DRW, 6, #1332 of 1551 🔗

And to you – keep going – we will win in the end.

329530 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to godowneasy, #1333 of 1551 🔗

Thanks, it is very hard to believe that at times though.

329485 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DRW, 11, #1334 of 1551 🔗

2020, year of the zombie.
2021, year of US – the humans! Go for it!

329499 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Annie, 3, #1335 of 1551 🔗

Let’s hope so.

329452 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 17, #1336 of 1551 🔗

There aren’t half some irresponsible gits in my area. They’ve been setting off fireworks all evening. Do they not know that rockets are disease-carrying vectors, FFS! I’d go as far as to say that these people have got blood on their hands.

329475 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1337 of 1551 🔗

Same here in Darlo.

329483 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1338 of 1551 🔗

Sure it isn’t gunpowder? (and treason, and plot – with luck!)

329542 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Tenchy, #1339 of 1551 🔗

Ha ha was it us? We have just had an illicit display at our nearest open air area x

329454 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1340 of 1551 🔗

More BS to end this unprecedented year:
A key factor in understanding how the pandemic’s effects play out is its influence on human behavior and decision making.
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COVID-19 presents a unique opportunity to study policy interventions designed to prevent socio-environmental damage, according to a Stanford-led paper. The results could help vulnerable people weather poverty shocks from COVID-19, and provide a deeper understanding of how and where poverty and environmental degradation are most tightly linked. (Image credit: Getty Images)
“Human behavior contributes to, but is also affected by, changes in the Earth system, and COVID-19 is creating new challenges for ensuring people and corporations act to protect the planet,” said co-author Margaret Levi , the Sara Miller McCune Director of Stanford’s Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences and a professor of political science. “While government was not a central focus in this paper, it clarifies the roles that laws, regulations and investments play in the safety of the food supply and food workers, emissions controls and many other aspects of the health of the Earth and its inhabitants.”

329468 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1341 of 1551 🔗

In a similar vein, The Irish Times had their end of year summary articles all nicely packaged today. Heroes abound, no lies were told and I shit you not, “2021 is the year we build back better”.

From front to back I cursed my way through calls for school closures of tales, of people ‘stepping up’ in unprecedented times. Of how our Health Minister has been a rock throughout. A thankless task. No mention of criminals and autocrats.

I end 2020 happy that I have no plague to fear, and I am not alone, but there is a hell of a long way to go and I worry for what lies ahead.

329520 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1342 of 1551 🔗

Correction, our health minister has been as much use as a rock…

329536 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Crimson Avenger, 1, #1343 of 1551 🔗

Rocks are more useful!

329566 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1344 of 1551 🔗

I worry as well. Too many compliant people.

329568 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1345 of 1551 🔗

Just think, in the USA they have targetted nurses, doctors and military personnel to get the first jabs. What would happen if the majority of them became incapacitated? Easy pickings. Crazy.

329461 Matt The Cat, replying to Matt The Cat, 56, #1346 of 1551 🔗

Ok, I’ve not ben as angry in my whole life as I have been today, having heard the moronic soundbite from “Professor” Hugh Montgomery around lunchtime.

If I’ve got “blood on my hands” then I stand proud, arms outstretched, red stuff dripping in full flow, you dirty piece of Police State SHIT!!!

We need to recharge our batteries over the next three days and prepare for WAR. 2021 is not going to be remotely “happy” or “prosperous”, so I’m not going to wish it upon any of you. I don’t do throwaway lines these days.

2021 is going to be a year of combat, struggle and sacrifice. Through it all – WE’LL STAND PROUD!!!

329466 ▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to Matt The Cat, 10, #1347 of 1551 🔗

Sadly I think you are right – all this 2021 can only be better – I strongly suspect there is a massive pile of shit heading our way …

329486 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to norfolksceptic, 9, #1348 of 1551 🔗

A series of shit piles:

1. Mandatory masking to become effectively permanent even if lockdowns areas ed.

2. The economy will start to hit the buffers in spring 2021.

3. We are going to get the full force of Great Reset (“billionaires charter”) propaganda (looks like it might have been re branded as The Davos Agenda).

4. Another mutant variant? Another novel pathogen.

5. We will learn more and more about how the 2020 US election was stolen from its rightful winner – Trump. The USA will be in deep crisis in 2021. If Biden prevails, then expect N Korea and Iran to start testing the limits again, expect a surge in terrorism against the west.

329500 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 17, #1349 of 1551 🔗

On the positive side, things can change very quickly. In March 1938 nearly everyone was an appeaser. By March 1939 hardly anyone was. Support for the poll tax within the Conservative Party went from overwhelmingly to non existent within the space of two years.

When all is not lost there is everything to gain!

329619 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to OKUK, 1, #1350 of 1551 🔗

We benefitted so much from declaring war on Germany in 39.

329512 ▶▶▶▶ liztr835, replying to OKUK, 7, #1351 of 1551 🔗

I think the economy will crash in April, with mass unemployment, the people who were on furlough will get a rude awakening, many of them have not got a basic grasp of economics, unlike on here, and just dont see it coming. They will get angry as no longer being paid off by the state, and god knows what will happen then.

329527 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to liztr835, 1, #1352 of 1551 🔗

There must be a huge chilling effect on investment. Who’s going to invest in a cinema complex, a sandwich bar in town, an ice rink, an inner city gym, an inner city restaurant. Yes there will be opportunities – there always always are but thus will be a very negative investment environment.

329534 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 2, #1353 of 1551 🔗

All those failed high street businesses are no longer paying rent and rates. Where does that leave the councils? Not that I have much sympathy but it will no doubt rebound on us.

329558 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to OKUK, 5, #1354 of 1551 🔗

Even if restrictions are completely lifted, who would want to set up, buy or expand a business which drives the economy with the knowledge the government could close businesses. People might want to invest in businesses which are guaranteed not be closed such as online businesses and takeaways but there is a vast array of businesses which were forced to close and people will not want to invest in

Shops which don’t sell foods or medicines
Barbers and hairdressers
Visitor attractions such as museums

When I retire I would like to set up a mobile catering business which could operate in a lockdown as it is a takeway but lockdown would take away my trade as there would be no festivals, if most shops had to close I would get no trade from high street shoppers and there would be no trade from pub goers at closing time if there were no pubs.

329561 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Ianric, 3, #1355 of 1551 🔗

Add commercial property too, huge investment from pension funds in city offices.

329528 ▶▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to liztr835, 4, #1356 of 1551 🔗

I wish that was likely but do we actually believe the government is ready to pull the plug on furlough? I’m not at all sure. The government will keep kicking the can down the road for as long as possible – to the next election even. It may unravel though as more and more zombie businesses stop pretending they will ever come back and pull the plug themselves.

329538 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to norfolksceptic, 1, #1357 of 1551 🔗

Yep when furlough ends. That will be a rude awakening.

329491 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Matt The Cat, 23, #1358 of 1551 🔗

Share your anger re. the professor. Heard on talkRADIO this evening that someone has reported him to the police for ‘hate crime’.

329502 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to kh1485, 16, #1359 of 1551 🔗

Wow, that was my exact first thought! Good! Surely, as well, he is discriminating against those who cannot wear masks, a minority group, no less! What an absolutely, disgusting tool he is, for spreading such evil propaganda, and the hideous BBC too, for being complicit in this…they of such “inclusive” and “diverse” wokery! They’re the sick ones.

329506 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to HelenaHancart, 7, #1360 of 1551 🔗

Exactly. For all the good it will do, I complained to the BBC …

329526 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to kh1485, 5, #1361 of 1551 🔗

Thank you! I was thinking – is it possible that what he said was against professional conduct for medical practitioners?

329552 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Alice, 2, #1362 of 1551 🔗

My opinion yes – those in medical professions have certain obligations which include, but are not limited to, treating with care & respect; and education re: medical safeguarding.

329503 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, 15, #1363 of 1551 🔗

Probably is. Disability is a protected characteristic under legislation. Many disabled people cannot wear a mask. He did not except these people from his strictures, so it is reasonable to presume he included them. In which he is inciting hatred against them.

329535 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 1, #1364 of 1551 🔗

Nice one!

329550 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kh1485, 2, #1365 of 1551 🔗

Well Amber Rudd received a talking to after a speech at a conference for stirring hate; as a hate crime complaint was made by someone who didn’t even see it but ‘heard’ she was a meany mean meany, and she said mean things. I believe the definition of what constitutes a hate crime differs wildly across different police forces, but can include ‘hostility’ & in some cases mere ‘unfriendliness’. Therefore I submit that the Dr’s comments most certainly qualify…

329707 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1366 of 1551 🔗

wow, unfriendliness a “crime”. They could certainly arrest a lot of people at certain sporting events. What I want to know though (and I have my own ideas) is what is driving all this snowflakery and fear?

329505 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Matt The Cat, 13, #1367 of 1551 🔗

I think the professor was wrong to say what he did, why does he not look closer to home, say the NHS hospitals, where a large amount of people are catching Covid, having arrived there covid free, could it be that the staff are rulebreakers and not washing their hands? and/or using correct infection control procedures.

329509 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to liztr835, 9, #1368 of 1551 🔗

exactly! the nhs has got more blood on its hands than anyone in the community could ever have!

329532 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to dommo, 10, #1369 of 1551 🔗

The NHS has killed thousands every year for its entire existence through negligence, incompetence, arrogance and poor hygiene. Mid Staffs, Bristol, Liverpool, Shrewsbury midwifery, I could go on and on and on….

329710 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to dommo, #1370 of 1551 🔗

There’s a section in my (Phillip Day) book, “death by doctoring”. Best to do things for yourself if you popssibly can. And he says most doctors don’t know much about nutrition (which also tallies with my experience).

329510 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Matt The Cat, 3, #1371 of 1551 🔗

Saw a couple of clips on YT about this. I seriously, nearly, kicked the screen in, I was so effing ANGRY!!!!

329470 Janette, replying to Janette, 49, #1372 of 1551 🔗

I think we all need to make a New Years Resolution that we are going to fight this with all we have got.

329476 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Janette, 12, #1373 of 1551 🔗

I’m in!

329478 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Janette, 21, #1374 of 1551 🔗

I think at the very least we should resolve to do at least one thing a day to fight this, even if it is just something like posting here, writing to our MP, contributing to an anti-lockdown charity or speaking to a friend who is beginning to question what is going on.

329493 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1375 of 1551 🔗

I didn’t realise there were anti-lockdown charities – would you mind providing links to them please? Thanks.

329524 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to nocheesegromit, 11, #1376 of 1551 🔗

I have channeled all my charitable giving towards organizations that are fighting this insanity or who are fighting for free speech — Lockdown Sceptics, Spiked Online, Del Bigtree (ICAN), Brian Rose, James Corbett, the Constitutional Rights Centre here in Canada, and Vaccine Choice Canada. I cancelled the New York Times, Washington Post and my other charitable giving, such as the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto after they backtracked on their recommendation against masking kids in school. Individual rights and freedom of speech are the only issues I care about at the moment.

329539 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1377 of 1551 🔗


329481 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Janette, 10, #1378 of 1551 🔗

I’ve been resolved in that since the bollox started. Not going to change now!

329497 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Annie, 6, #1379 of 1551 🔗

Doing something, however small, is the only thing that gets me out of bed everyday!

329487 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 32, #1380 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year. I’ve never felt so apprehensive about the future with the constant fear of what will they do next? Thank you for all the data here showing the truth. Keep on fighting!

329507 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 19, #1381 of 1551 🔗

I know the feeling. I counter it with hot tea, hot-water bottles, truth, and optimism. Bugger them, they haven’t beaten us in 2020 and they most certainly won’t do so in 2021!

329519 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, 10, #1382 of 1551 🔗

I do much the same but having purring feline “hot water bottles”. Thanks so much for telling me about this site. We keep fighting!

329511 straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 12, #1383 of 1551 🔗

Thankyou for this website and stay strong into 2021. Off to watch Rita, Sue and Bob too now so fuck off, mind mi ornaments and all the best for the new year. Ya bastards!

329523 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 2, #1384 of 1551 🔗

“Is that all she’s getting?”

329575 ▶▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Nobody2020, #1385 of 1551 🔗

“I thought I were great!”

329513 Marialta, 32, #1386 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year to you all, whatever that means this year ?…. All I know is that I wish everyone who posts here the very best for 2021. This is the first site I’ve ever posted on and am still in awe of everyone’s humour, knowledge and efforts. Thank you for helping me learn, stay strong and keep going!

329514 Tenchy, 3, #1387 of 1551 🔗
329517 OKUK, 29, #1388 of 1551 🔗

How about in 2021 a crowd-funded newspaper advertising campaign. Theme:

“You’ve Been Lied To”

Then get across some basic messages about how lockdowns don’t
work, how “they” (Ferguson, Cummings, Sturgeon don’t follow the rules), there is no evidence masks protect anyone but there is plenty of evidence they are bad for users .

Then a positive message: if we stick to basic hygiene rules, support those shielding, ensure could infection control in hospitals, and bring in effective treatments and orevenrative measure, we can ensure people are protected but also, able to resume normal fruitful lives.

329521 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 49, #1389 of 1551 🔗

Time to sign off for the year, friends.

A Happy New Year to all my new friends here at LS; many of you have made me laugh, some have made me cry. More importantly, though, all of you have helped me get through this dreadful year; my sincere thanks to you all.

I’m sorry if some of my stats have bored you; if not, here’s one to see the year out. 🙂

Population of the UK (Worldometer): 68,066,615
Deaths due to Covid (ONS figures – yeah, right!): 82,624

Population of the UK NOT dead due to Covid: 99.8786%

Happy New Year, all. 🙂

329564 ▶▶ xplod, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1390 of 1551 🔗

Thanks, Ceriain, nicked the stats above and dropped it on my FB page….bet I get some flak from the complianterrati!

329644 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to xplod, #1391 of 1551 🔗

I just got a heart!

329724 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Ceriain, #1392 of 1551 🔗

Wow, that’s a big increase in UK pop. from my figure at the start of the autumn ripple (67,987,322) considering the “brutal” pandemic and “catastrophic” deaths we’ve had from this bug that’s been going around.

No, it is government mishandling of their NHS and of health issues over many years that is brutal and catastrophic. There were more excess deaths in 2008, but no calls to close the pubs etc. I’ve long said it would be worse when China was calling the shots…

329522 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 33, #1393 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year to all. Apart from a few like minded friends and family I’m not making the customary salutation to anyone else but you all. Frankly the lockdown lovers and the sheep don’t deserve a happy new year after the utterly miserable year they have just put us through.

329544 ▶▶ danny, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #1394 of 1551 🔗

And to you Mr/Mrs Welsh Dragon.
Having close family members that are completely Covid obsessed and making themselves ill as a consequence, I cannot share completely your notion of not wishing sheep the best for a new year, but I do agree that this website has been such a welcome oasis, and to feel like we are not alone.
Happy new year to you, and let’s keep up the fight.

329604 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to danny, #1395 of 1551 🔗

Thank you. And it’s Mrs! I’m often mistaken for the Mr because, having a military background, working in construction and with a trucker hubby, my language can be a bit “fruity”!

329525 davews, replying to davews, 27, #1396 of 1551 🔗

Well just about to sign off for the night. I never celebrate the New Year myself and tend to go to bed at my normal time them woken by the fireworks at the stroke of the hour. Only this year the fireworks have been going on all night. Anyway, Happy New Year to all on here however you are celebrating it.

Like many on here I go through ups and downs. I heard tonight of an acquaintance who is isolating because her daughters went down with the bug at Christmas, now fortunately recovering but evidence that it is very real and exists. It is not things like this that upset me but rather the unbelievable statistics and the constant state of hysteria from the government and media.. Yes, Covid is real, an awful thing for some, but you don’t control it by shutting us all in cages and turning off life. I have not heard our blood threatening Professor and don’t want to but I am certainly one with very real reasons for exemption and find such an attitude offensive in the extreme. That said however I am not one to get into arguments, if anybody complains I will just dig the mask hidden in my coat and don it (which I did in the plumbing shop yesterday then couldn’t see the paying machine with my steamed up spectacles). I imagine the hate towards us bare faced will grow as time goes on and unfortunately 2021 will just be a repeat of the year just ending.

Best wishes whatever you do.

329541 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to davews, 18, #1397 of 1551 🔗

I agree with all of your comments. We don’t generally do new year either and try to be asleep before the fireworks start. This year it had been sounding like the Somme since about 2000hrs. I think 2021 will be as bad if not worse than 2020. My chief concerns are the irreparable damage to families and friendships. I have lost respect for some people who were dear to me which will never heal. Also the demonising of sceptics and the false painting of us all as anti vaxxers, superspreaders and Covid-deniers – with official sanction – is extremely worrying. I’m increasingly concerned that it is only a matter of time before the pitchfork wielding lockdown fanatics do one of us serious harm.

329639 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #1398 of 1551 🔗

That’s a route it isn’t helpful to venture down!

329572 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to davews, 5, #1399 of 1551 🔗

Never worn a mask (even in a hospital) and not had one negative comment since they were introduced. Barely a glance either.

329648 ▶▶▶ Old mum, replying to HoMojo, #1400 of 1551 🔗

Neither have I – not in shops, supermarkets, doctor’s surgery, hospital to have blood taken, O2 to get a new phone, reflexologist, osteopath – even the dump had signs to wear one, not there either!

Happy New Year!

329537 theanalyst, 41, #1401 of 1551 🔗

Just saw my 21 year old son leave the house in his winter clothing with a camping chair and a plastic bottle filled with some alcoholic concoction to meet his mate on the hill outside the town. They will join a few others to see in the new year and watch the fireworks. There were 5 of them last year but this year some others would not go because of ‘the rules’.

I hope and bet there is a large turnout overall…..young people in the town have nowhere else to go. The destination has been touted on social media.

When I was his age the clubs were the place to go for New Years Eve, and I thought that was ace. This Year has been very strange. Hopefully 2021 will improve.

Thanks for your support and courage. Happy New Year and Best Wishes to you all!

329545 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 16, #1402 of 1551 🔗

I won’t say ‘those three words’, because it won’t be. We know that. But, I’ve spent all this last year avoiding ‘staying safe’. And guess what? I stayed safe. A new year beckons, let’s rock.

329565 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Sam Vimes, 20, #1403 of 1551 🔗

You seem like a sound fellow Mr Vimes. All the best to you and all on here, a real life raft it’s been this year. Drove 300 miles from London with my family this evening to be with my 80+ year old parents – and worth every mile for the hugs with us and their grandchildren.

329574 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Adamb, 9, #1404 of 1551 🔗

Imagine it being worth posting on a website that you did exactly what comes naturally. You are the future. Stand strong.

329609 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Adamb, 1, #1405 of 1551 🔗

Bless you!

329634 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Adamb, 1, #1406 of 1551 🔗

Good show!

329633 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, 4, #1408 of 1551 🔗

We rediscovered the spirit of togetherness ?

Considering they’ve banned all forms of socialising, I’ve no idea how he thinks we’ve achieved that. (Hopefully he doesn’t know about US.)

The United Kindom- England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland working together …
Year, right!

Load of vomit-inducing bollox.

329708 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cheezilla, #1409 of 1551 🔗

Staying apart keeps us together.
Doublethink in action

329549 wendy, 18, #1410 of 1551 🔗

Can I wish everyone a happy new year and say thank you for all the kindness and support. I feel stronger for knowing everyone here is going through the same thing, it’s kept me going when I felt so low and I know we will support each other to get through this in the next year.

Happy New Year

329551 quodcumque, 21, #1411 of 1551 🔗

Happy new year everybody. I don’t post here often but the daily dose of sanity and the opportunity to let off steam have been so helpful.

329554 leggy, replying to leggy, 49, #1412 of 1551 🔗

Dropped son and daughter at the train station earlier for an elicit journey into London for an illegal rave.

Just had feedback that the streets are packed with groups of revellers – Vive la résistance!

Wishing all LSers a very non-compliant New Year!

329573 ▶▶ TC, replying to leggy, 18, #1413 of 1551 🔗

God bless them!
Real youngsters trying to have fun.
They do you proud.
Hope the Met has an off night.

329577 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to leggy, 9, #1414 of 1551 🔗

Fantastic! More than happy to contribute to any legal funds if the Stasi interfere…

329589 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to nocheesegromit, 6, #1415 of 1551 🔗

Thank you! We have arranged an “essential travel” ruse for them to play, though I’m not sure it’ll help if the party is busted by the TSG! Still, strength in numbers and they’re both good runners 🙂

329579 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to leggy, 5, #1416 of 1551 🔗

At the risk of being pedantic, it is a RAILWAY station, train station being American, and an ILLICIT journey meaning illegal or unlawful. Elicit is a verb not an adjective.
Happy new year! I hope it will be but I fear it will not be.

329581 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Stephanos, 4, #1417 of 1551 🔗

Apologies, that will be the significant amount of vino! Hic!

329588 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to leggy, 6, #1418 of 1551 🔗

Thank you for taking it in the spirit in which it was intended!
Please notice the absence of a preposition at the end of the sentence. That is the sort of language up with which I will not put.

329732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Stephanos, #1419 of 1551 🔗

which I will not put up with 😉

329628 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to leggy, 2, #1420 of 1551 🔗

👍 ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅

329748 ▶▶ PW, replying to leggy, #1421 of 1551 🔗

Any such activities will probably be ‘missed’ by the MSM…..just like recent anti lockdown marches have gone completely unreported. The London protests on Saturday 28th November (including 150 arrests!!) merited 30 seconds on the BBC news that night but quite decent coverage on their website the following morning…….all completely gone by lunchtime, never to return! Police State or what???

329751 ▶▶ PW, replying to leggy, #1422 of 1551 🔗

Well done!

329556 xplod, replying to xplod, 30, #1423 of 1551 🔗

Rare commenter here, but regular reader – suppose I’m a lurker, really – anyway, thanks to all of you fellow sceptics; the info, links, and comments, and not least, the humour has been instrumental in keeping me (just about) sane. FWIW, happy new year, and carry on carrying on. Whisky time! Cheers one and all….see you all next year!

329656 ▶▶ wayno, replying to xplod, 1, #1424 of 1551 🔗

Whiskey time indeed. Fire is on kids nearly in bed once sleep is aquired it’s me time and the single malts

329559 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 25, #1425 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year to all. “[A] man is happy so long as he chooses to be happy, and no one can stop him” – Cancer Ward, Solzhenitsyn. This one man, more than any, successfully resisted the might of the USSR.

In the UK at present, we face a crisis greater than most people can imagine – and it’s not the virus. The propaganda and brainwashing deployed against the public is one of the greatest injuries imaginable to the national psyche. I am heartened by the thought that banning Christmas on the grounds of the fictional ‘new variant’ will prove to be Boris Johnson’s 45 minute claim. These things take time. The State has declared war on its own people; compliance only invites fresh impositions. We have no choice but to resist.

Despite all this, find time and space to live and be happy. To be made miserable is defeat for you and victory for them. Happy New Year everyone, and humble thanks to all contributors.

329562 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bugle, 4, #1426 of 1551 🔗

Thank you. And to you too.

329737 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bugle, 1, #1427 of 1551 🔗

“I’m richer by far with a satisfied mind” (Johnny Cash). There’s one thing they can’t take from you, don’t let the buggers get you down. Down with the buggers, up with the huggers!

329563 BTLnewbie, 30, #1428 of 1551 🔗

Whenever I go into town unmasked, I always feel the embarrassment of being the only guy who didn’t get the invitation that the party was fancy dress! Thank God for the rest of you here, otherwise I’m sure Mrs BTL and I would have cracked long ago.

I fear we are only in the foothills and the hard slog is yet to come – KBO – 2021 will be a historic year one way or the other!

PS – I plan to spend tomorrow creating as much legitimate shit for the odious ‘Blood on their hands’ Dr Montgomery as possible – breach of medical ethics, disabiity discrimination, breach of BBC guidelines, incitement to criminal behaviour. Never been so appalled at comments from an apparently senior doctor – whatever stress he is under, he is not managing it well.

329567 HoMojo, replying to HoMojo, 4, #1429 of 1551 🔗

Just seen a news clip on YouTube (Sky News) about Nightingale hospitals reopening because of huge wave. Is this the usual lying bulshit? I thought these hospitals have no equipment and no staff. Is it really that blatant now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbuR_ATBZ0M&t=45s

329592 ▶▶ jb12, replying to HoMojo, 3, #1430 of 1551 🔗

They were open in the Spring too; open doesn’t mean occupied though.

329626 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to jb12, 2, #1431 of 1551 🔗

Perhaps they’re not meant to be medical facilities. Perhaps they’re dormitories for those who refuse to take their poison…

329705 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to HoMojo, 4, #1432 of 1551 🔗

Richard Tice went to the excel and confirmed that it’s been dismantled.He called out Hancock for lying to the house.That used to be a serious matter but with a compliant opposition and bought media it just passes without mention.
It has become blatant for that reason.

329569 DJ Dod, 15, #1433 of 1551 🔗

I doubt if anyone round our way will be first footing this year – they’re all taken in by the hysterical ravings of our Dear Leader, Kim-Jong Nik. However, I will certainly be raising a glass to all my fellow sceptics tonight. Lang may yer lum reek!

329576 james007, replying to james007, 28, #1434 of 1551 🔗

Every now and then, I feel numb, brain-blocked and struggle to process what has happened this year. It is really hard to stay sane, and with reality. Unlike other controversies and hysterias (eg. Brexit), there has been no escape from this, every area of life has been shaken. The suffering we’ve seen (and experienced) this year, and the lack of awareness and concern for it outside LS (and like minded sites and groups) has been mind-blowing. The extent to which a Conservative majority government has gone to control and manipulate its citizens has shown what a cruel and heartless party it is. It is disturbing how willing the media have been to trade on the fear and panic.
Without this website I would have thought I was in such a small minority, there is no hope of change. The posts here have given me hope, stopped me going mad, and made me want to fight. Thanks for letting me moan about how depressed I am and not telling me to p@$$ off.

Happy new year.

329590 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to james007, 9, #1435 of 1551 🔗

And to you! This is our little pool of sanity where we can wallow without feeling that we’re drowning.

329578 DRW, 8, #1436 of 1551 🔗

AIER: Fifteen signs you’re in an abusive relationship with the government:

329580 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 30, #1437 of 1551 🔗

Prediction is a mug’s game, so here goes: 2021 brings a messy stalemate by the end of Spring.

It’s clear the regime wants to have its cake and eat it. Johnson wants his Winston Churchill moment, declaring victory in the war on Covid. But they also want to maintain their new model of power-through-panic indefinitely. They want gimp gags to be as temporary as income tax, for example. So the regime pushes the vackseeeeeen, while already moving the goal posts, warning that restrictions will remain into the long term.

I think they will not get what they want. Popular credulity and patience are entirely used up. If there is any attempt to maintain the power-through-panic regulations beyond availability of the vackseeeeen, even previous true believers will laugh in their faces. Compliance will end. I don’t think the regime knows that yet, but I think that is the situation.

When they realise that, all eyes will be on vaccine uptake. Even if the gains of power-through-panic cannot be maintained indefinitely, the regime will need to exit on its own terms. That means it has to be credible that the regime has saved us all through its wise lockdowns leading to the great salvific vackseeeeen. For that to be credible, vackseeeeen uptake has to be high. Already, Tier 4 has been introduced as transparent bullying, and there will be more.

But I think it won’t work. Public patience will wear out before state bullying can grind us down. They will be forced to declare victory even with vackseeeeen uptake well below the level at which it could be credited with ending the pandemic.

That leaves a kind of stalemate. No long term restrictions. The official narrative is blatantly faulty. The great majority of the public will realise the year of Covid was a crock off politically generated shit. But the media-political complex will not be forced to accept fault. The beautiful Marianna Spring will never have to admit she was wrong. There will be no accountability. The entire episode will be consigned to the memory hole, along with such triumphs for the PC narrative as the Arab Spring.

In the short term, the balance is in our favour. But in the long term, the balance is against us. After a period of media omerta, the events of 2020 will be re-remembered as a triumph of Science. The next slightly new cold virus will lead to exactly the same response, this time under the auspices of misremembered precedent. To prevent that, we will need to keep up the struggle even after we have apparently won. We will need to maintain the political voice we still have not yet managed to develop.

329601 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ovis, 5, #1438 of 1551 🔗

You’re quite right about the irresponsible media never having to admit to their errors. We were confidently told by various BBC Reality Check journos (eg Chris Morris) and various media pundits (of the type favoured by the BBC) that there was virtually no chance of Johnson getting a trade deal by the end of 2020.

329614 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to OKUK, 5, #1439 of 1551 🔗

Good point. Pretty sure in the same broadcast they said it would be an ‘absolute miracle’ if Trump could deliver any kind of vaccine in his first term…

329717 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1440 of 1551 🔗

Yep. But they all had their fingers crossed and really meant “before the election” – cos they knew Fauvi abd the redtop ofvthe Deep State machinery would approve it after the election was out of the way.

329750 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Ovis, #1441 of 1551 🔗

exackerterly the same response? but surely the current shambles is costing hundreds of billions of pounds. They can’t afford to do this every time there’s a nasty bug going round can they? And besides, with the profound geopolitical consequences likely to follow from the current mess, I suspect they will have bigger fish to fry soon enough.

329587 bebophaircut, 12, #1442 of 1551 🔗

Global Censorship must be sabotaged.

329591 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 7, #1443 of 1551 🔗

I have been watching the live stream of BittelTV, along with more than 9k people and checking in here occasionally.
This has been my best NY eve in a VERY long time!

Thank you all – of course especially the authors, Toby, Will, etc, the admins etc -for the updates, research, funny stories and education you have provided since this website was recommended to me in the summer.
2021 will be better!

329594 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Silke David, 1, #1444 of 1551 🔗

I agree with thanks (multiplied a quintillion times) to Toby, Will et al, but in what sense do you say that 2021 will be better?

329596 Robin Birch, replying to Robin Birch, 31, #1445 of 1551 🔗

Thoughts for 2021 – Desmond Swayne for PM and the highest of Honours to Claire Craig, Mike Yeadon, Toby Young, Ivor Cummins, Joel Smalley et co.

329599 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Robin Birch, #1446 of 1551 🔗

👍 ✅

329602 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Robin Birch, 10, #1447 of 1551 🔗

Forgot to say…… and all you guys on LS. Thankyou for my sanity.

329611 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Robin Birch, 14, #1448 of 1551 🔗

I think I’d prefer Toby Young as PM, Desmond Swayne as Leader of the House, Mike Yeadon as Sec of State for Health, Claire Craig as Chief Medical Officer and Ivor Cummins as Chief Scientific Officer. James Delingpole to head up the Inquiry into Deprivation of People’s Natural Rights. BBC, Ofcom, EHRC, and Electoral Commission all to be abolished.

329618 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Robin Birch, #1449 of 1551 🔗

Hear hear 👍

329638 ▶▶ Rabbit, replying to Robin Birch, 1, #1450 of 1551 🔗


329597 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1451 of 1551 🔗

I guess those claps don’t pay the rent

329617 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1452 of 1551 🔗

Since 2017?!

329600 Carmen B, replying to Carmen B, 27, #1453 of 1551 🔗

I wanted to appear to say how much I value this site and everything I’ve learned here – thank you everyone – as there’s certainly nothing like this in Australia. I wish you all better days in 2021.

I thought I might post some reflections on my Christmas holiday to Melbourne, Victoria. We (me and my husband) travelled from Canberra to visit my family and stayed in the CBD, returning few days ago. We were very stressed about it and did a lot of research to understand what our rights were. Overall, it was better than we feared, but still not great. I guess things may change there again now, with more cases being reported.

  • We wore masks on the plane as Virgin Australia required it. Putting them on once seated was fine. The announcement about it said “hand hygiene is the most effective, masks may help”. We were served snacks and water as usual on our one-hour flight. I don’t think Virgin is convinced …
  • Disembarking in Melbourne was weird. We found ourselves funnelled through a gauntlet of women in masks, visors and gowns trying to ascertain if we were from a forbidden zone in NSW. No announcement or signs to explain, nothing saying who these people were. My husband waved his passport at them and we walked off.
  • There’s clearly a lot of economic damage caused by lockdown and ongoing restrictions – businesses closed, many permanently. We were stressed enough that we walked past many shops we would usually enter.
  • Very few police, at least that we saw. Two blonde girlies lapping a city block. Other than that, just the latest crop of junior filth getting trained in points duty at a major intersection.
  • Crowds of people shopping on Boxing Day afternoon, but with numbers at weekend levels, not major sales levels. Many people not wearing masks when technically they are obliged to, but also the reverse. We couldn’t pick any pattern with respect to age, sex, ethnicity, or size of group. Often no consistency within groups, either.
  • Heaps of people enjoying the parks and gardens, with barely a mask to be seen.
  • We wore masks in the public areas of the hospital we visited daily, in an Uber we weren’t paying for, and in two shops we really wanted to visit (in one, the staff only asked us to put on masks when they had to get up close to us to show us some stock). Otherwise, we didn’t bother and just walked into shopping centres, shops and cafes unmasked. No issues from staff or other shoppers. We never scanned a QR code, though my husband got very good at pretending to. Many business owners don’t appear to give a rat’s about compliance.
  • The masked hotel staff were lovely. We didn’t wear masks at the hotel and no-one ever said a word about COVID-19.
  • We had to spend hours at the airport before returning home. My husband wore a mask while waiting, I did not. A VicGov employee paused to ask if I had a mask. I said “I’m exempt”, he said “That’s fine” and moved on. He was the only person to do that all trip. There were only a small number of no-mask or barely masked travellers at the airport, but the repeating PA announcements did always mention the exemption, which emboldened me.

As for my family, I don’t know how typical they are, but they are not afraid of COVID-19 and know the risk of death is tiny. They know masks are pointless. They are quietly furious at the Victorian Government’s decision to prioritise making people afraid and at its rampant corruption. They worked from home in comfortable surroundings, haven’t suffered economically and quietly sidestepped the restrictions wherever they could, but it is not an exaggeration to say that those of them living in Melbourne have been traumatised by lockdown. What terrifies them is the police, the Karens, and most of all the prospect of another lockdown – not the disease! Meanwhile, the cartoonish advertising campaign to “wear a mask and Melbourne on” continues in its ghastly colours and sick-inducing smug …

329630 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Carmen B, 4, #1454 of 1551 🔗

Fascinating post from Down Under!

329606 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #1455 of 1551 🔗

“The government was forced to ….”
“Freedom is in our hands and is up to us to make the most of it …”

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but do you think there’s a hidden message here in Johnson’s new year message?


329615 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1456 of 1551 🔗

Well of course he’s just a fucking bullshitter. That’s all there is to it.

A serious question to anyone who cares to answer – how will you, as an individual, benefit from Brexit? For me, I can’t think of a single one, but I can see loads of disadvantages.

Happy New Year to Toby and the team, and everyone here. 2021 WILL be a better year. Cheers.

329621 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Tenchy, 12, #1457 of 1551 🔗

I voted leave because I believed a single European state would be disastrous for indigenous Europeans: just look at the way they’re bullying the Eastern Europeans into accepting population replacement.

329625 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1458 of 1551 🔗

You don’t benefit as an individual. Your country, as a whole and an entity, benefits by governing itself, instead of being dictated to by outsiders. But – it really doesn’t matter anymore, we have a whole other shitpile to deal with now. Your first sentence has it all, Tenchy.

329631 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1459 of 1551 🔗

Stupid question. In what way was Britain better off in 1940 than 1938 you might ask. Not a lot. Except we weren’t under the heel of an imperial power on the continent.

Maybe we just don’t want to be part of some fake bureaucratic empire that isn’t very good at being an empire in any case. The EU helped start wars in Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine and Syria but then proved utterly useless at being an imperial power. The elite in the EU seriously want to see the EU eventually extended to all Mediterranean nations ie North Africa and to Turkey so, if we were in the EU, we would have borders with Iraq and Syria, Sudan and Niger. Glad we are out of all that.

Merkel’s illegal million migrant scam in 2015 showed that what happens inside our borders could be decided on the whim of a German Chancellor.

No thanks I’d prefer we take our chances as an independent nation.

329698 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1460 of 1551 🔗

Brexit was always the first step.It doesn’t change much on its own but it makes change possible.
That being said I think it’s irrelevant now because we face a even graver threat to liberty.

329623 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #1461 of 1551 🔗

Its strange isint it, but he’s never looked fully onboard, imo, and maybe using forced is what has happened. He still talks ****, but in this instance there seems to be something in his message, almost like he would like everyone to just rebel and get on with it

329635 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1462 of 1551 🔗

Apparently Johnson senior is a remainer and has applied for French citizenship

329647 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Silke David, #1463 of 1551 🔗

Did Kemal, I mean Johnson, junior, ever give up his US citizenship?

329662 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1464 of 1551 🔗

Yes. he had to, otherwise the US taxman would be after him.

329713 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1465 of 1551 🔗

He never had it. Stop talking bollox. He had the right to apply for it, that was all.

329792 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to DanClarke, #1466 of 1551 🔗

That’s what I see Dan. I think he wants us to rebel. Trouble is, they did too good a job at the gaslighting and fear campaign. People will make little mini rebellions but it is hard to know how to “rebel” in a big way.

329632 ▶▶ Old mum, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #1467 of 1551 🔗

“The government was forced to ….” – the bottom line is we have had to endure lockdowns, tiers etc because the NHS is not fit for purpose – the management of our health system needs a complete overhaul although I’m not sure how this can be done?

On another note, just watching Michael McIntyre discussing the Brits at airports, obediently following the roped areas to check-in, even when empty – that’s what we are known for – being obedient! That’s why the government’s ‘rules’ have worked so well.

329657 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1468 of 1551 🔗

I’ve chewed my way through it but I’m afraid you’ll have to elaborate your theory ….

329624 houdini, replying to houdini, 19, #1469 of 1551 🔗

New Years Resolution !
Please attend an anti lockdown demonstration starting this Saturday in Shrewsbury or elsewhere .
Stand up for freedom.

329627 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to houdini, 6, #1470 of 1551 🔗

If we had one I’d go. I don’t even know where to start it’s that barren.

329646 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1471 of 1551 🔗

Check out Telegram group Protest Everywhere.
There are LOADS if events happening on Saturday.

329666 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to houdini, 3, #1472 of 1551 🔗

New Year’s Revolution!

329641 houdini, 10, #1473 of 1551 🔗

Welcome to tier 2021

329643 Banjones, 8, #1474 of 1551 🔗

And thank you, Toby.

329649 Hugh, 5, #1475 of 1551 🔗

bong ! happy new year!

Let’s make sure we win the battle this year!

We’ll tak a richt good willie waught…

329650 Steeve, 3, #1476 of 1551 🔗

Sounds like the army have started operation Montgomery!

329651 Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 7, #1477 of 1551 🔗

Happy new year everyone in these strange times!

329653 ▶▶ Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 7, #1478 of 1551 🔗

Propaganda in full swing on the BBC!

329654 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rabbit, 1, #1479 of 1551 🔗

You must have better things to do ……

329658 ▶▶▶▶ Rabbit, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1480 of 1551 🔗

Yeah, just curious to see for a few minutes what they come out with.

329652 Cheezilla, 23, #1481 of 1551 🔗

Just realised it’s not WW3 going on outside but it’s actually midnight.
Happy New Lawbreaking (inadvertent or otherwise) to you all.
Fight the good fight with all thy might.
And thanks for being there, throughout 2020 and onwards!
Much love to you all, Cheezilla.

329655 TJS123, replying to TJS123, 12, #1482 of 1551 🔗

Why couldn’t they just do the fireworks without mentioning the virus, the NHS, working from home, BLM etc etc? Cringeworthy cliches, but someone must have thought it was a good idea. Pass the sickbag.

329661 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to TJS123, 9, #1483 of 1551 🔗

Yes, bloody nauseating stuff. Was it done by the BBC? NHS hero worship, BLM adulation, and wokery to boot. As you say, pass the sick bag.

329682 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1484 of 1551 🔗

I’ll say one thing the drones were cool. The message was propaganda

329681 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TJS123, 1, #1485 of 1551 🔗

Because its a big club and you’ve checked out

Which is a good thing by the way

329684 ▶▶ DomW, replying to TJS123, 2, #1486 of 1551 🔗

The last thing I wanted at the very beginning of 2021 was a syrupy reminder of all the shit from 2020. OH wanted to watch but it was too much for me so I went off for a walk. Came back feeling much better having seen some fireworks and peple enjoying themselves!

329686 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to DomW, 3, #1487 of 1551 🔗

Forgot to say, before I headed out, and while the propaganda was going on I just started singing Auld Lang Syne over it with as much gusto as possible. OH looked at me like I was mad 🙂

329702 ▶▶ leggy, replying to TJS123, 2, #1488 of 1551 🔗

Because the onslaught of propaganda is relentless. They can not possibly have people observing the complete lack of a deadly pandemic not occurring around them. We must not see the total lack of exceptional numbers of new graves being dug in our church yards, nor the broadly normal seasonal health of our friends and family.

We will only make progress if we can draw as many as we can from their assorted telescreens and engage them in discussion on fact. My new year resolution is to do so as much as I can.

329715 ▶▶ Gtec, replying to TJS123, 2, #1489 of 1551 🔗

Watched some Russian New Year TV on YouTube (my wife is Russian) – much better than anything here – they still know how to make entertaining programmes.

Doen’t matter if you don’t speak Russian (I don’t), as music is music and fun is fun. It also meant that even if the ‘word’ was uttered, you wouldn’t understand it anyway, but it wasn’t.

Anyway, as they say in Russia, S Novym Godom, which is as you’ve hopefully guessed by now, Happy New Year!

329659 godowneasy, 21, #1490 of 1551 🔗

Happy new year to one and all, including the Tobymeister.

329660 DThom, 13, #1491 of 1551 🔗

Happy New Year to all LS