2021-01-02

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330961 Bartleby, replying to Bartleby, 48, #1 of 1362 🔗

Happy New Year sceptics. I think it will get worse before it gets better.

330964 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bartleby, 70, #2 of 1362 🔗

Happy new year.

I’m afraid you’re probably right. My worry is that people will remain blind to the harm that lockdowns have caused even when the economy has crashed and war and starvation are blighting the developing world. We need to make sure they know it was government lockdowns that caused it, not a “pandemic”. Wouldn’t even qualify as one under the old definitions. We need to make sure they know that restrictions made little difference to the overall course of the virus, and that they know all about Belarus, Sweden, Brazil, Peru, Belgium. And even then some won’t listen. Propaganda is a powerful thing, big pharma hold the power.

An underground resistance, as one of the last comments for December 31st said!

330966 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 74, #3 of 1362 🔗

Whenever anyone starts telling me how terrible everything is I agree with them but make it clear that it is lockdown that is the terrible thing.

330983 ▶▶▶▶ Bartleby, replying to karenovirus, 73, #4 of 1362 🔗

I think it’s also the case that many people don’t feel comfortable admitting they have questions and concerns about reactions to covid such as lockdowns, masks and shop closures.

The internet isn’t a great barometer of public feeling, but it does say something. I do read comments under news articles and on discussion forums – I even check some twitter threads occasionally too. The level of vitriol aimed at anyone sceptical of lockdowns and covid responses in general is severe. And it’s not just the level – it’s pretty relentless – almost like they are fighting a political battle.

By contrast, the types of conversations you might have in real life – limited as the opportunities are – are much more reasonable. Putting an opinion across as an innocent question/statement such as: “I’m not sure we’ve got the right response to covid with these lockdowns and restrictions?” – and you more often get the response, me neither – and you can open the dialogue into more specific areas once you’ve established that you have some ‘concerns’.

But the lockdown zealots are vocal and visible. Of course they have the support of most of the media who feel terribly important during this whole saga. Not only do they have that support, but they also have the backing of the politicised ‘fact-checkers’ and the OfCom guidance. It would be interesting to see how many fear-mongering and untrue statements and articles which make covid sound really scary have actually been fact-checked or even referred to a fact checker.

In other words, I think people are somewhat loathe to admit that they have concerns about what has happened because they are made to feel stupid, selfish and evil for questioning it.
People have been made to feel there is only one acceptable response to covid.

330988 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bartleby, 18, #5 of 1362 🔗

Yes, to lock down until people get those “vaccines”, conveniently for big pharma.

A nonsense name, btw, fact checkers. Anyone could say they check facts, no one is likely to say “I’m telling you this but I don’t have any facts to back it up”. The important thing is their parameters. That and the conflicts of interest. The best way to get to the facts is free and frank discussion imo

330995 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 18, #6 of 1362 🔗

The vaccine that isn’t a vaccine according to Google

331057 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to karenovirus, 21, #7 of 1362 🔗

Await the rewriting of that! As per the WHO ‘redefinition’ of herd immunity …..

331251 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Marialta, 8, #8 of 1362 🔗

Newspeak is alive and well

331859 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to karenovirus, 2, #9 of 1362 🔗

Facts About The Fact Checkers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjZR6Htma18&list=WL&index=162

AwakenWithJP

330991 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Bartleby, 46, #10 of 1362 🔗

The vitriolic responses are so intense precisely because it’s a political and emotional battle, rather than a scientific one. Look how people argue against flat earthers. It’s painfully obvious to anyone that knows anything how wrong flat earthers are, but the arguments almost never get heated. In act, they’re mostly laughter inducing. That’s because there is established science one can resort to, and there is no ideological position at stake. But the argument for lockdowns is entirely emotional, so there is no surprise when it leads to emotional outbursts.

331175 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bartleby, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 19, #11 of 1362 🔗

Very well said. It reminds me of a thought I had about our scepticism in general – if the pandemic truly was a pandemic – there wouldn’t be any scepticism or conspiracy theories.

331399 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Bartleby, 3, #12 of 1362 🔗

if the pandemic truly was a pandemic – there wouldn’t be any scepticism or conspiracy theories.

That’s not true. Again, look at flat earthes.

332005 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bartleby, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #13 of 1362 🔗

You may be right – but I still see it differently. With the flat earthers, their opinions cause them to look like idiots but have little to no impact on anyone else in the world these days.

I get the point that you’re making, conspiracy theories exist even when they are ridiculous and have no basis in fact, but whether we indulge them or not and how much attention they receive seems to be in proportion to their credibility.

Were it the case that covid was so obviously an epoch-defining generational event that was killing significant percentages of all age groups – like the Spanish Flu or a Black Death style plague – scepticism would be much less prevalent. We would end up sounding like Monty Python characters: “It’s just a scratch!”, “It’s a flesh wound” “He’s not dead, he’s sleeping” and so on. But the evidence of the dead would be so overwhelming as to make a conspiracy theory and scepticism completely untenable.

Where as the evidence of the dead isn’t overwhelming and the evidence for how effective lockdowns and various NPIs are is non-existent.

I probably should have stated it with more qualification – if the pandemic was truly a pandemic with a huge death rate across young and old, there would be much less scepticism and little attention paid to conspiracy theories.

332219 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Bartleby, #14 of 1362 🔗

I think that your use of the term conspiracy theories defines you as a mainstreamed respectability. You maintain that by distancing from such contagions and masking in superior knowledge or virtue.

Such that even if you learned of Rockefeller initiatives and agendas and saw them enacted, you would still not see it.

the term itself is weaponised language.
I identify paranoia as delusional, but that people ally and align in self interest to seek gain at others loss by means of deceit is simply part of life since the playground.
Unawareness of danger is the most dangerous state, and so that which lures with protection takes your freedom and your wits unawares – while you think to gain thereby.

332207 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Bartleby, #15 of 1362 🔗

Weaponised viruses. Virology as weaponised and marketised biology.

Beneath science are superstitions rather than manipulation of superstitions. So pandemics evoke pandemonium (house of all demons) or panic as the loss of self to symbols of guilt as disease ‘retribution’ and atonement by bargains promises rituals.

In other words some hidden or masked ‘intent’ that gives rise to the ‘meaning’ of disease as pathology rather than healing.

331579 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #16 of 1362 🔗

‘ It’s painfully obvious by anyone who knows anything ‘ – nothing is obvious to me anymore- if someone told me that everything that happened last year was to stop the flat earthers getting definitive proof of their theories on the cruise which had to be cancelled (this part is true – it was of course cancelled) I’d say – it’s no less likely than any of the other nonsense which took place

330999 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bartleby, 9, #17 of 1362 🔗

Most people with half a brain are now aware that anything said on the internet can come back to haunt them years later.
The press and government make it perfectly clear that there is only one acceptable point of view so most would probably avoid posting anything that might have them hounded as a Covid denying troll or anti-vaxer.

331006 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 16, #18 of 1362 🔗

So they all caterwaul things that, when sanity returns, will brand them as liars, tyrants, zombies and morons.
Goid.There will be no denials possible when the reckoning comes.

331022 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 23, #19 of 1362 🔗

I don’t use such platforms as mumsnet, Twitter or Facebook but I imagine people feel safer going along with the crowd
“Burn the witch”.

331052 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to karenovirus, 12, #20 of 1362 🔗

Yes,fear causes people to lash out at anyone or anything that touches that fear.
Collective fear causes that too but is compounded by the additional fear of going against the perceived security of being with the mob;as you say, “Burn the witch”.
Still, we’re all witches and warlocks here.

331473 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TC, 7, #21 of 1362 🔗

I love being a witch.

331126 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 15, #22 of 1362 🔗

Mumsnet is possibly the worst when it comes to lockdown zealotry. A friend has gone to the site to read what people there are saying and according to her, its all bonkers there.

331194 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #23 of 1362 🔗

There was one of us (LS) who had the courage to establish an account there a while back. It took a very short time before they were banned.

331453 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #24 of 1362 🔗

Any thoughts on why that is Bart? After all what have mothers and children got to fear from covid? Its completely irrelevant to them as was past flu years.

332220 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #25 of 1362 🔗

Bonkersnet.

331451 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to karenovirus, 7, #26 of 1362 🔗

You would think ‘mumsnet’ (which in itself sounds moronic) would be a little concerned about the destructive impact on their children’s education from lockdowns. Especially as children have zero to fear from covid and are one of the primary victims of this absurdity.

331177 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bartleby, replying to karenovirus, 7, #27 of 1362 🔗

That’s also a very good point. It’s not quite cancel culture, but it’s close to it – it supresses opinions publicly so as to avoid work and personal relationship conflicts.

331119 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bartleby, 15, #28 of 1362 🔗

The bounds of acceptable opinion have been very carefully curated. Nevertheless, conversations under four eyes can very quickly turn sceptical. The level of true belief is far lower than we are being told. The situation we are in is very reminiscent of colonial regimes: the lies, the paper thin real support, the divide and rule and paranoia. It was a model that could utterly fuck up a society, but not create political stability.

331135 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bartleby, 26, #29 of 1362 🔗

Part of the problem is that the MSM have been “essential workers”. They can go out and about, they suffer none of the inconvenience of lockdown and are protected from it. They’ve never had much idea of what goes on in the real world.
They preach and harangue aided by the finger wagging “experts” and tv doctors. Three groups of people the population should turn on instead of being cowed like sheep.

332221 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to thinkaboutit, #30 of 1362 🔗

Don’t kill granny.

331215 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Bartleby, 7, #31 of 1362 🔗

Madness in Ireland too – Ivor Cummins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdKkZLqhmDM&list=WL&index=200

We have now entered a phase of further lockdown mania, even though vast majority of analyses show that lockdown does not move the mortality needle. Dr. Hope-Simpson’s stunning book

332217 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bartleby, #32 of 1362 🔗

Mark Windows has described the mainstream media presenters as narcissistic actors, not journalists.

330990 ▶▶▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to karenovirus, 5, #33 of 1362 🔗

Proof That Lockdowns Are Working! – or not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ_XFUYAV_A
AwakenWithJP

331056 ▶▶▶ Just Stop it Now, replying to Hugh, 36, #34 of 1362 🔗

Back to Norma l – is a rapidly growing group of ordinary folk delivering anti lockdown leaflets throughout the UK. We are well on our way (200,000) towards our goal of 1 million simply worded, factual postcards delivered. You can join locally organised groups of like-minded friends in approaching 100 constituencies covered and more added daily.

Take a look at our website and help us reach those who rely on the MSM for their ‘news’

Leave your keyboards and Rise up to stop this nonsense !

330965 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bartleby, 8, #35 of 1362 🔗

Happy New year from Wuhan

h/t Alex Belfied YouTube

330979 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Bartleby, 31, #36 of 1362 🔗

There are a lot of memes going around from people very happy that 2020 is over. They think that the worst thing was having to stay inside. Just goes to show that most people today are completely clueless about how the economy works. Must be why socialism is so popular.

330987 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #37 of 1362 🔗

‘We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us’. Now they don’t even have to pretend to work.

331000 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 45, #38 of 1362 🔗

And I’m not sure why these people think, that by some miracle, everything will magically go back to normal in 2021. Now that the West has decided that deaths from a virus are no longer acceptable and that facts don’t matter, how does the switch get flipped? Governments and NGOs got us into this but they sure as hell won’t be the ones to get us out of it. Only mass non-compliance and calling BS will effect change.

331009 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 45, #39 of 1362 🔗

If people would only act as if everything had gone back to normal, everything would go back to normal. The totalitarian goons wouldn’t be able to do a thing about it.

331338 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Annie, 12, #40 of 1362 🔗

Indeed but that would require the slumbering masses to wake up and start to do some critical thinking. I’m afraid I’m starting to despair whether this will ever happen.

331589 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, 7, #41 of 1362 🔗

Thats right ditch the muzzles and fuck off the anti social distancing and its all over instantly. I would be happy to do that and fight to the death with anyone who tried to force me to go back to it.

331030 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 49, #42 of 1362 🔗

When the pilot is aiming the aircraft at a mountain and ignores all entreaties to change course, there’s only one course of action. Remove the pilot from the controls by force.

331200 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #43 of 1362 🔗

Sorry down voted by accident! Totally agree.

331694 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #44 of 1362 🔗

Hey, that is a thought. Anybody prepared to kamikaze dive into 10 Downing Street?

Best if you can use an empty plane or all 150 deaths will be recorded as ‘from covid’.

331816 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David101, replying to Old Bill, 2, #45 of 1362 🔗

Right on the money. How about running the country through Parliament and dispensing with the Cabinet – might make for more enlightened policy methinks!

332230 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Old Bill, 1, #46 of 1362 🔗

How about unleashing a dozen Elephants?

332302 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #47 of 1362 🔗

Loudly trumpetting Elephants.

332314 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #48 of 1362 🔗

Now some white elephant helium balloons outside those covid testing centres might be an idea. Something similar was done by the campaign against a North East regional assembly

332227 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #49 of 1362 🔗

Or grab a parachute and jump.

331120 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 27, #50 of 1362 🔗

Yes.

Remember the role of the media. They pushed lockdown; this is their mess, and they know it. They are avoiding accountability just as deliberately as the state.

332303 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ovis, 1, #51 of 1362 🔗

Yeah, but the sheeple egged them on.

331128 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 26, #52 of 1362 🔗

I’ve always said that people, businesses, churches, venues, museums, etc should grow a backbone and just open up without any restrictions and “safety” measures.

It ain’t over until WE say its over.

331069 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 13, #53 of 1362 🔗

Socialism is slavery for people who can’t do the maths.

331024 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Bartleby, 18, #54 of 1362 🔗

Maybe we should adopt the Angry New Year greeting, as Peter Hitchens suggest, because it is only by getting angry that things are likely to change. I’ve been saying to people, “May you survive 2021.”

331042 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #55 of 1362 🔗

Unfortunately – easy to misinterpret your comment of “May you survive 2021” and translate it into “May you not get Covid” and that’s precisely what the sheeple will translate it into.

331040 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bartleby, 11, #56 of 1362 🔗

Happy No Fear – and I do hope you’re wrong….don’t know how much longer we can stand of all this nonsense (ie Lockdown).

331089 ▶▶ Dr Y, replying to Bartleby, 4, #57 of 1362 🔗

Sadly I agree 100%

331106 ▶▶ bobdobbs0507, replying to Bartleby, 7, #58 of 1362 🔗

It’ll get worse before it gets even worse.

331253 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Bartleby, 17, #59 of 1362 🔗

I think London’s New Year “celebrations” reported above show we’re in for a rough ride. They remind me of the London Olympics opening ceremony with it’s Covid-19 predictive programming: fawning over the NHS and showing vaccines and symbols of virus.

And of course we have the [B]olsheviks [B]roadcasting [C]ommunism typically throwing their full support behind it.

How about we consider a very positive new year resolution? I’d suggest removing your aerial, cancel your BBC direct debit and complete the short online form to declare you do not need a licence. It is so easy and I guarantee you’ll feel much healthier for it.

331595 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to J4mes, 6, #60 of 1362 🔗

I ditched it years ago….I liked the BBC in the 1980s with Crimewatch UK and former great commedy like Porridge and the Likely Lads and Dads Army. I am not sure when it became poisonous but it was many years ago and I ditched the licence soon after. I have never looked back and I have saved a fortune. They came round once and I brought them in and showed that the aerial had been removed and tied up in a loop. I also told them I thought the BBC was no better than Soviet propaganda. They left with their tail between their legs.

331722 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bartleby, #61 of 1362 🔗

I’m yet to be convinced about the getting better part…..

Happy New Year.

331746 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bartleby, #62 of 1362 🔗

This aged well.

332132 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Bartleby, #63 of 1362 🔗

Wrong post by me

332215 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nessimmersion, #64 of 1362 🔗

It’s all a load of Fuddle Duddle (a remark made by Justin Trudeau’s father, Pierre, in the Canadian House of Commons many moons ago)..

330967 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 46, #65 of 1362 🔗

“Because of the pandemic” will be the excuse for everything this year – from the economic collapse to the extinction of cultural life and the nurturing of an entirely unschooled generation – and everyone will nod sadly and acquiesce.

330976 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #66 of 1362 🔗

In early September BBC R4 Today Programme was discussing the recently announced August unemployment figures.

The TUC representative might have been expected to make a stirring plea on behalf of the working classes. The guy from the world of finance (Blackstone?) might have pleaded for the government to get the business world going again.

They both said ‘it’s the Covid innit’.
If they had been on telly I expect we would have seen them shrug their shoulders.

330980 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to karenovirus, 20, #67 of 1362 🔗

Absolute sellouts. The Labour party too. I wonder what Tony Benn or Bob Crowe would have made of it all?

331125 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Hugh, 4, #68 of 1362 🔗

Bob Crowe would have chowed it down like a chip butty. Benn might have done better.

331849 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Ovis, 3, #69 of 1362 🔗

I imagine Ed Milliband is finding it an easier chew than his bacon sandwich too.

331598 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Hugh, 6, #70 of 1362 🔗

RIP the Left…I used to be a member of the Labour Party in the 1980s…..just a party for middle class dinner party luvvies now.

330969 NorthumbrianNomad, 16, #71 of 1362 🔗

Fascinating mortality graphs from across Europe. Joel Smalley: “The proof of the ineffectiveness of interventions is apparent by tracking the impact of COVID on mortality across Europe.”

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1345000398369730560.html

330970 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 83, #72 of 1362 🔗

Saw this on offguardian. Seems like the way to go:-

“I know this site is UK-based, and I’m not sure about the state of things in the UK courts, but I just wanted to share some info about a lawsuit happening in Ohio that might be of interest.
Throughout the year, several thousand lawsuits have been filed in the U.S. against state governments. Many of the lawsuits have been based on the fact of constitutional rights being infringed upon (which of course is true), but in many cases, the states have responded with, ‘it’s an emergency’, and because a lot of states are granted additional powers under an emergency declaration (at least according to the law), the courts have often sided with the states in these cases.
Conversely, the lawsuit in Ohio has taken a different tack – namely, challenging the emergency itself. This puts the onus on the courts to prove that there actually *is* an emergency, which of course they cannot do.
While the lawsuit is ongoing, it does seem to have served to ‘rein in’ the state government of Ohio to some extent. Apparently, the state has been vehemently objecting to even entering into discovery, likely because, in so doing, they would be exposed for not having any information that could justify continued ’emergency’ declarations. Those that filed the lawsuit, meanwhile, have provided hundreds of pages of documented evidence to the contrary.
So yeah, I just thought I would share this here in case it might be of value. More info about the lawsuit can be found at ( https://makeamericansfreeagain.com/ohio-landmark-lawsuit/ ). In addition, Dr. Pam Popper, a medical practitioner in Ohio who largely spearheaded the lawsuit, did an interview with Spiro Skouras recently where she discussed it in more detail: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CHRl_h8vMw )”

330981 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to JHUNTZ, 14, #73 of 1362 🔗

That’s a good idea. I wonder if it applies to the UK.

330982 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JHUNTZ, 23, #74 of 1362 🔗

That would indeed be the way to go but I don’t think a State of Emergency has been declared in any part of the UK. The government have just passed numerous laws of dubious legality and issued regulations which may or may not be lawful.

332077 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, #75 of 1362 🔗

One way or another the regulations have to be challenged. There is a clear need to crowd fund a top legal brain to advise on this matter. If only Reiner Fuellmich were British.

332170 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Rowan, #76 of 1362 🔗

check out https://twitter.com/pcrclaims

the line of attack, just as with RF, is the misuse of the PCR test which has created a “casedemic” as opposed to a real emergency

330984 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to JHUNTZ, 31, #77 of 1362 🔗

State of things in UK – they can bring in new restrictions with less than a days notice. 3 minutes notice appears to be their new record. One thing we need going forward is strict rules regulating the use of emergency powers. The onus should be on the government to show there’s an emergency and they can’t just define it how they want. Vested interests must be kept clear of the process too.

It must be a shock to people stateside to find their costitutional rights can be suspended indefinitely.

330993 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Hugh, 17, #78 of 1362 🔗

At the very least there should be some sort of cost/benefit analysis…

331102 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 16, #79 of 1362 🔗

Cost/benefit analysis appears to have gone out the window with the Government. There’s plenty money for all things Covid, there doesn’t appear to be any budget at all for this.

332091 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Janette, 2, #80 of 1362 🔗

All of the government’s ludicrous restrictions are geared to ensuring a high take up of the potentially very suspect vaccines, that are now coming our way. This is not remotely about protecting people and it is very obvious that we are being got ready for something much more sinister.

331003 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JHUNTZ, 38, #81 of 1362 🔗

Among other things, our lawsuit here in Canada makes the same charge — governments declared a state of emergency without demonstrating that there was, indeed, an emergency. When each province declared their states of emergency there had been only a handful of deaths. When our charter rights and freedoms are suspended, there must be proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it was necessary. Ultimately, that’s what our governments are going to have to demonstrate. They won’t be able to, but what they can do is keep kicking the can down the road, so who knows when they will respond to the charges given our barely functioning court system.

331013 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 15, #82 of 1362 🔗

You know, it’s a wonder there isn’t a revolution, this must be making life difficult for an awful lot of people. Maybe there will be when enough people stop being scared…

332099 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh, 1, #83 of 1362 🔗

Once the masses are vaccinated it will be too late.

331034 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #84 of 1362 🔗

Morning Lisa,
Thanks for your detailed reply (with the BMJ letter), to my question re vaccines yesterday – much appreciated 😊

331150 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 17, #85 of 1362 🔗

Here in NSW lockdowns, closures of non essential shops etc etc have been issued under public health orders. Today the health minister has advised the mandatory wearing of face masks in all shopping centres, shops, cinemas, public transport etc. within the Sydney and greater Sydney area. At least we can walk the streets without wearing one but I guess that will only be a matter of time. I was interested to know if anyone has requested from their governments, UK, Canada, US etc a risk assessment on the mandatory mask wearing. I feel like writing to hazzardous Brad to ask him to provide me with the scientific evidence they are using to implement this measure together with any risk assessments which have been conducted to ensure the long term respiratory health of residents.

331267 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Girl down Under, 11, #86 of 1362 🔗

But isn’t Australia virus free because of all the lockdown -surely you aren’t saying it hasn’t worked ? How can that be?

331354 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to arfurmo, 7, #87 of 1362 🔗

That’s what the lockdown zealots like to tell us. My guess is it will return with a vengeance when they go into winter. It more or less disappeared in the UK during the summer.

332108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Chicot, 3, #88 of 1362 🔗

All we’ve got in the UK are seasonal respiratory illnesses and it would be wrong to infer that it has returned here with a vengeance. We are clearly being scammed by a corrupt government, that is working to a very unsavoury external agenda.

332316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Rowan, #89 of 1362 🔗

bound to happen when we can have political parties funded by big pharmaceutical companies. (That is how it works, isn’t it?)

332388 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Chicot, #90 of 1362 🔗

But so stubbornly blind to your experience in the UK, refuse to look at any other alternative except spout bonkers recommendations from the faceless scientific ‘experts’. We will be in the same situation in winter, I haveno doubt even with vaccines etc. What was that definition of stupidity again, repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

332103 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to arfurmo, 2, #91 of 1362 🔗

Covid will occur where ever they want it to. There is nothing natural about any of this.

332386 ▶▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to arfurmo, #92 of 1362 🔗

Aaaah, have you got two hours or ten Arfurmo? Total government incompetence. Mr Ad man, the prime minister who can’t/won’t sort out the bickering states and territories. The premiers who can’t stop pointing the finger at each other, closures of state borders at a whim, and NSW government incompetence not managing flight crews’ isolation effectively thus causing a new outbreak and then treating us like naughty children, repeat, repeat, repeat. Bear in mind, around 19 in hospital, Australia wide, none in ICU no deaths since the Victorian debacle. I just realised today I feel like I am living in an abusive relationship.

331706 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Girl down Under, 6, #93 of 1362 🔗

The statement of claim was filed in early July and then the Ontario government made masks mandatory later that month. There is a separate injunction against the mask mandate, but that also won’t be heard anytime soon. Most stores and businesses here will not respect the mask exemption, so our only recourse as citizens is to file a human rights complaint and/or sue the business in small claims court — neither of which is a quick process — so our only options are to comply or order everything online or for curbside pickup. I have chosen the latter as I will not wear a mask.

332234 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #94 of 1362 🔗

Bring back the Good Humor Man ice cream truck.

332392 ▶▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #95 of 1362 🔗

Thanks Lisa, it is all over social media this afternoon. The govt has prepped the stores on how to deal with the ‘covid deniers’ and people who claim their human rights are being abused by being forced to wear masks. It is just too outrageous for words. The govt has become so adept at shaming, people are complying just so they are not aggravated or hassled in store, not necessarily by police it has been said will adopt a softly, softly approach initially, but from members of the public.

332232 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #96 of 1362 🔗

Defund/Eliminate the Ministry of Public Health. Those people are crazy.

331590 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #97 of 1362 🔗

When draconian measures are introduced there must be proof beyond reasonable doubt to justify them. I will use an scenario I have used before regarding microwaves. Imagine there are endless stories in the media, the internet and government about microwaves catching fire. The government makes it illegal to use microwaves and microwaves must be sent away for testing and repair. It is illegal to sell microwaves. Microwaves spend months in repair centres. When microwaves can eventually return to owners, there are restrictions such as they can’t be used after a certain time, can’t be used on certain days, there are restrictions what foods can be placed in microwaves, and there is a time limit how long a microwave can cook food.

In the above scenario, you would expect the following.

There must be clear evidence of a problem which justifies the restrictions and the problemshould be evident without mentioning from external sources such as the media.
Despite the constant barrage from the media, government and the internet, there is no evidence of a problem with microwaves catching fire. Virtually everyone owns a microwave. Nobody knows anyone whose microwave has caught fire. There
are no fire damaged buildings everywhere. People who work in trading standardsdon’t receive reports of microwaves catching fire. The stories in the media, internent and government bear no relation to what is happening in the real world.

The government must provide clear evidence to justify restrictions. People make FOI requests to fire brigages to see if they have attended fires where faulty microwaves was suspected as the cause. Fire brigades can’t provide this
information.

Tests done to establish if microwaves are a fire risk should be reliable. There is controversy as to how reliable the tests are to establish if microwaves are a fire risk.

It may be unacceptable to follow a blunt one size fits all with microwave brands. All microwave brands are banned from use even if manufacturers provide evidence their microwaves have an excellent safety record and go through thorough
testing.

The microwave ban would be unacceptable if contradictory policies were taken. If the government said microwaves were safe and there was no risk from them catching fire and then a few days later banned all microwaves from catching fire, this
would be seen as unacceptable.

The government should not introduce rules which don’t make sense. The government makes it compulsory to install a device on a microwave which prevents microwaves catching fire but doesn’t do this until months after microwaverestrictions. People would find this odd. Despite saying the device is
effective at stopping microwave fires, there are still restrictions on microwave use. People would question this.

331593 ▶▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to Ianric, 11, #98 of 1362 🔗

The above scenario is similar to what is happening with covid.

We are bombarded with message by the internet, the media and governments we are in a deadly pandemic which justifies draconian laws. Despite this, we see no signs of this. Everybody around me is totally healthy, we don’t see huge numbers dying or surviving but falling very ill. Nobody seems to know anyone with covid. Without the hysteria from governments, the media and the internet, nobody would know we were in a pandemic. How can lockdowns be justified if there is real world evidence of a pandemic?
Governments have a duty to provide evidence to justify lockdowns. When making FOI requests, government have consistently failed to do this. I asked for evidence from the NHS re asymptomatic transmission. The NHS couldn’t answer a single question. I asked the NHS for evidence how infectious people with Covid are. They couldn’t answer this question and I was told to send my request to another organization. I asked the NHS for information where positive covid tests are coming from. The NHS couldn’t answer this and I was told to pass it on to another organization who have not answered. How can lockdowns be justified if evidence for this justification can’t be given?

Tests for Covid should be reliable. How can positive covid tests be used to justify lockdowns when there is uncertainty how reliable they are?

How can lockdowns be justified on the basis covid is a dangerous and contagious disease when on the 19th of March the government classed covid as not being dangerous?

A blunt one size all policy in regard to business closures without considering the characteristics of businesses. How can closing all pubs and restaurants be justified regardless of their characteristics eg some pubs and restaurants might be big and it is easy to keep customers a long distance from each other. The café is my Tesco is an example of this. Is it fair to close businesses without giving businesses the opportunity to introduce measures such as better ventilation which will make it harder for staff and customers to infect each other?

The laws on masks make no sense. If masks are essential in stopping the spread of covid, why were governments so late in making them compulsory. The Welsh government didn’t make them compulsory until the 14th of September in shops. If masks work so well, why have we received contridactory advice. For instance, Dr Jenny Harris said they were of no use. If marks work in stopping the spread of covid so well, why do have so many draconian restrictions and supposed cases rising?

331325 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #99 of 1362 🔗

Excellent strategy – I’d highly recommend Pam Popper’s book “Covid Operation” too. Gets right to the heart of everything, especially the corruption.

331345 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #100 of 1362 🔗

If the constitution can be disregarded simply by declaring an “emergency”, it is worthless. I’m pretty sure the founding fathers didn’t intend for the constitution to be be disregarded every time there is a disease like Covid, which they would barely have noticed.

332235 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Chicot, #101 of 1362 🔗

They make it look like the droplets are covering every inch of Earth. They harbor the same delusions about tobacco smoke.

331348 ▶▶ Simon, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #102 of 1362 🔗

Michael O’Bernicia is making this argument and seems to be getting somewhere with it. Challenging the fact that there is no emergency and that ministers have mislead parliament.

331585 ▶▶ jos, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #103 of 1362 🔗

A brilliant approach – proving there’s really an emergency will take some doing

330974 chaos, replying to chaos, 19, #104 of 1362 🔗

The Telegraph ‘s Paul Nuki is one of the journalists allocated to the Global Health Security Team – the team funded by Bill and Melinda Gates. He was also the Chief Editor at NHS Choices.

332236 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to chaos, #105 of 1362 🔗

Conflict of interest.

330977 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 50, #106 of 1362 🔗

Imagine being a teacher: “So… i get to stay at home… and get paid? Hell yeah, keep the schools closed!”
Why are we asking teachers if the schools should be closed or not? They’re teachers, not epidemiologists.

331010 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 17, #107 of 1362 🔗

They could try asking the kids.

331014 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, 11, #108 of 1362 🔗

haha, that’s one thing they never do, just look at the secret family courts, (yes, I used to read the late, great Christopher Booker)

331050 ▶▶ danny, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 20, #109 of 1362 🔗

Demand every LEA and school publish their risk assessment for both Covid risk in school, AND for kids all staying alone at home during required school day. All parents can demand this. I speak as teacher.

331098 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #110 of 1362 🔗

They should be on furlough pay like the private sector, no favours.

331136 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Fiona Walker, 12, #111 of 1362 🔗

They should be at work.

331416 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Fiona Walker, 7, #112 of 1362 🔗

Almost no one should be on furlough. They should be working. Who is paying for furlough?

331171 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #113 of 1362 🔗

It’s easy to hate on teachers. I was a teacher for 10 years before it ruined my health. I’ve been in the army, a ship mechanic, engineer, researcher (Imperial), and teacher. Teaching was the hardest I have ever worked. It isn’t down to the teachers whether schools close. It’s down to the unions and school management. If a teacher is ill they still have to provide lessons for the time they are ill unless it is a serious illness. If schools are closed those teachers will be expected to provide lessons should the school make online lessons available – again a decision out of the hands of teachers. But without text books and such.. or kids with computers and with the cat away naughty mice will play.. there will be little learning in most comps.

330978 miahoneybee, replying to miahoneybee, 31, #114 of 1362 🔗

I would prefer to be asleep at this time but struggling again with a disturbed nights sleep with anxious thoughts. Happy new year fellow sceptics I hope this year will see our day of reckoning and more and more waking up and fighting back….

331004 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to miahoneybee, 11, #115 of 1362 🔗

Me too. I have just forwarded Freddie Attenborough’s brillaint post from New Year’s Eve to my MP. I asked her to think about it. I’m sure like all my previous e-mails, she will ignore it.

331015 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to kh1485, 11, #116 of 1362 🔗

A Glasgow local councillor, back in the days when that city was a one party state, apparently used to tell people with pride that letters from his constituents went straight in the bin. These days, politicians really shouldn’t be allowed to get away with it. If your MP isn’t doing her job, make sure people in your town know about it.

331018 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Hugh, 10, #117 of 1362 🔗

I suspect my e-mails are now automatically deleted. I used to receive an immediate automated response, but I don’t even get that now. I would add that. although my messages have conveyed the visceral anger I feel, I have never been rude or abusive. The trouble is she resides over a stonking majority so no doubt feels her position is safe.

331021 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to kh1485, 4, #118 of 1362 🔗

Well pin up a poster outside her office or on lampposts around the town. Make sure her fellow party members defending a narrow majority in nearby areas feel the heat. There’s always something you can do… doesn’t have to be abusive, I wouldn’t be abusive myself (my own protest poster said “please leave space for emergency vehicles and pedestrians when parking” or something along those lines – it wasn’t to do with the lockdowns you understand, but you get the idea), just factual and to the point.

331032 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Hugh, 8, #119 of 1362 🔗

Thanks for the advice Hugh. Right now I am trying to save my small business from being totally decimated.

331026 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 10, #120 of 1362 🔗

I waa very rude to the Dishonourable Wanker for Pembs. That got a response all right.

331088 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 2, #121 of 1362 🔗

Do share Annie

332237 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kh1485, #122 of 1362 🔗

Everybody should send her an automated response every day of the week and on weekends. Bug the heck out of her. Mercilessly.

331044 ▶▶▶ Fred, replying to kh1485, 12, #123 of 1362 🔗

“Dear [insert vaccine passport number of disease vector here to populate with name]. Thank you for your enquiry. I regret to inform you, however, that [input issue raised by disease vector here] is not currently part of my party’s policy agenda for [insert year here]. [Generic filler to be used at MPs discretion: Thank you for your continued support, and I look forward to building this country back better on behalf of all my constituents in [insert constituency name here] as and when covid-19 has been defeated]. [Generic statement to conclude all replies to disease vectors: Allow me to take this opportunity to thank our brave NHS staff on your behalf, and to remind you to continue pasteurising your lungs every night before bed]. Yours etc, [insert MPs name here].

331053 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fred, 9, #124 of 1362 🔗

I won’t even get that! Mind you, I did say I didn’t want a reply as her usual responses elicit a spike in my blood pressure!

I know it’s a forlorn hope, but I hope she is as moved by what you wrote on New Year’s Eve as I was.

331104 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 5, #125 of 1362 🔗

We sent two detailed letters to our MP setting out our views and asking questions but we just got a one sentence vague response back!

332239 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Janette, #126 of 1362 🔗

Keep sending them back. Get your friends to join in.

331183 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to kh1485, 9, #127 of 1362 🔗

It was brilliant KH, plus his one today as well. The humiliation part really struck a chord with me. Daily we have either our health minister, police minister and premier or all targeting some poor unfortunate miscreant who heaven forbid attempted to live their life as normal. Our area has been locked down for a couple of weeks, apart from Christmas eve, Christmas Day, Boxing day. We couldn’t leave but 10 people could come into our homes (go figure the rationale there). A few days later a poor girl who had already postponed her wedding twice and risked losing tens of thousands of dollars was arrested along with 20 other wedding guests for ‘breaking the rules’ and being out of the area. They were all fined $1,000 each and got a dressing down at the next daily press conference with the police minister stating he had ‘no sympathy’, and called it a ‘bastard act’ and the premier equally as spiteful. Guess what? Today, at midnight no more lockdown for the southern end of the northern beaches. I really do think that the general population are complying out of fear of being named, shamed and bullied. It is the most appalling state of affairs. You would think the authorities could have been a little more discreet. This kind of humiliation and bullying can lead to suicide.

331186 ▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #128 of 1362 🔗

Sorry, I think I put this under the wrong comment.

330985 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #129 of 1362 🔗

The contributor in the main article who went to Trafalgar Square didn’t miss much.
As young teens in the early 70’s we went there to climb onto the fountains. Made for a damp 4 mile walk home but so what after a few cans of lager.

On our third trip they had turned the fountains off and then boarded them all completely so we stopped going.

331530 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to karenovirus, 2, #130 of 1362 🔗

I remember those days.In the early 80’s everyone used to go to Trafalgar Square to see in the New Year. I even ended up in the fountains at one point. But even back then they actively discouraged people from coming into London on NYE. It’s was only when they had the Millennial fireworks, that they decided to continue, as other cities around the world were doing the same.

330986 PW, replying to PW, 60, #131 of 1362 🔗

I’d like to publicly thank Toby and his team for creating and maintaining this website, which must be the best of it’s kind, it certainly helps me maintain some sanity here in South Cumbria, which has just been fast tracked into tier 4 in spite of generally falling ‘cases’ (down by 15% last week apparently)
I’d also like to thank Freddie Attenborough for his brilliant resume of the situation……it’s the first post in the comments on 31st December, and Toby used it yesterday as his leading article.
As soon as I saw it I printed it off for posterity……it really ought to be on giant hoardings across the country, or what’s left of it, to try to bring some sense back to the millions that seem to be lying down and accepting the lying!
I introduced a previously uninitiated friend to the site last night and he responded positively so I’m hoping for another convert……I do hope everyone here is trying to do the same.

Peter.

330992 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to PW, 14, #132 of 1362 🔗

I have some relatives on holiday in Westmorland despite “tier 4”. They had already arrived on Wednesday when the news came out and it was decided it was better for them to stay where they were rather than try and go back home in the dark and icy conditions, and the authorities apparently don’t want a repeat of the recent exodus from London. So there they remain. Sadly they are the only ones in the hotel, all the others had cancelled with the way things were going. A lot of food will be wasted. the restaurants were closed but the owners left out canapes for them. There were some fireworks, but not the big display over the lake at midnight on new year’s day., so they’ll go for walks perhaps if it’s not too dangerous, with not much else to do. I worry what all this is going to do to the tourist industry and wonder when I’ll be able to properly go on holiday again.

331011 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 21, #133 of 1362 🔗

Worry about the tourist industry? Don’t bother. For the last ten months, the tourist industry has been demanding that the government give it a nice big razor so that it can cut its own throat,

331016 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, 6, #134 of 1362 🔗

(but not my old normal b ‘n’ b in North Wales!)

331025 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 7, #135 of 1362 🔗

I greatly honour the exceptions!

331374 ▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Annie, 3, #136 of 1362 🔗

A rather sweeping comment. I can assure you the workers affected dont feel the same.

330996 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PW, 12, #137 of 1362 🔗

Yesterday somebody posted a link to an LS article from May by Freddie Attenborough.
It took 30 minutes to read early this morning but was very worthwhile. Everything he said then remains true today.

It was comparing the reaction to the 1957 Asian Flu outbreak to that of Covid.

330989 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 14, #138 of 1362 🔗

More surging cases baloney. When will it end?

330994 ▶▶ PW, replying to bebophaircut, 11, #139 of 1362 🔗

When Rishi’s magic money tree is finally chopped down?

330997 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to PW, 12, #140 of 1362 🔗

They’ve spent hundreds of billions of pounds on this already haven’t they? And that’s just the UK. I don’t see how they can go on like this for another year. Mark my words, there’s going to be a crisis if this carries on for much longer.

331001 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 3, #141 of 1362 🔗

Wrongspeak I’m afraid Hugh.
Last week a government person (Fallow ?) said they had ‘invested’ millions in the vaccine.
People usually expected a return on an investment but perhaps things have changed.

331017 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to karenovirus, 4, #142 of 1362 🔗

yes, a billion pounds is a crime, a trillion pounds invested in “vaccines” is a statistic…

331033 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to karenovirus, 3, #143 of 1362 🔗

Yes, how can pharmaceutical companies prosper if the rest of the economy is in ashes?

331147 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to karenovirus, 2, #144 of 1362 🔗

You know who is getting their ‘return on investment’.

331501 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #145 of 1362 🔗

Witless, valence and fergusob as shareholders, surely not?

332304 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to PW, #146 of 1362 🔗

Timber!

330998 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 28, #147 of 1362 🔗

I know Katie Hopkins isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but she fights the good fight.
Here she shows a chart of available ITU beds in Cardiff for the past few months (pale blue).
For some reason they almost halved at the beginning of December so it’s little wonder that for a couple of weeks they were full.

331100 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 14, #148 of 1362 🔗

I have spoken with someone who works in the Heath University Hospital Cardiff. The only hospital with ICU beds in Cardiff

The Heath had two two ICU wards at the start of December

One is full, they closed the other

The reason for the closure is lack of staff. Staff took leave, are off sick, self isolating, or allowed to stay at home because of stress

The latter group are not recorded anywhere and to all intents and purposes are ‘working’

So when they tell the press that the ICU is full in one sense they are telling the truth

331538 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to karenovirus, 4, #149 of 1362 🔗

I never liked Katie Hopkins before but now she seems to found an outlet for her outspokenness, and putting it to very good use. Her YT vids are short and very much to the point. Well worth watching.

331667 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to HelenaHancart, 4, #150 of 1362 🔗

Funnily enough a year ago old katie was a huge fan of ‘Boris’. Now she clearly hates him and he has become the ‘potato in a wig’! Does anyone know when the penny dropped for her?

331002 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 29, #151 of 1362 🔗

I clicked the link through to the Rod Liddle column for the Sun. I wish I hadn’t bothered – the tone was pretty much paid up Government propaganda – and sneers of idiot Virus deniers – and vaccine supporting with ever such a slight questioning of Lockdown and Tiers. I’ve always liked him, I even went to one of his ‘In Conversation With’ events a year or two back. But to me I’d say he’s been sent ‘The Memo’……I got the same sense of ‘Stepford Wives’ conversion in recent articles by Charles Moore and Douglas Murray, two commentators I highly respect and I usually read nodding my head in agreement but recently not so. I would go so far as to say The Spectator has been got to – no surprise with the links to No. 10 – and as a consequence, as with The Telegraph, I’ve cancelled my subscription – there is just something too pat and samey now with their narrative . Thank goodness for Toby here and also the wonderful James Delingpole – still telling it as it is.

331008 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Andrea Salford, 8, #152 of 1362 🔗

I felt the same reading Rods column. Same goes for the roundup Guardian link which is about NHS staff feeling unable to publicly complain about how terribly overworked they are because of the Covid.

331012 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 7, #153 of 1362 🔗

NHS tiktokkers not complaining?That would be a first.

331019 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Andrea Salford, 15, #154 of 1362 🔗

“Our list of allies grows thin” (Lord Of The Rings – I think). It’s the all pervasive censorship that gets me – whatever happened to freedom of speech (and a hundred other things for that matter)?

331041 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 15, #155 of 1362 🔗

Not LotR – at least, not the book.
The philosophy of LotR is that if you are confronted with total evil, you fight it to the death, however great the odds stacked against you.You NEVER DESPAIR, because despair guarantees defeat.
‘Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green.” That is LotR.

331158 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Annie, 11, #156 of 1362 🔗

Worth repeating::

You NEVER DESPAIR, because despair guarantees defeat.

332329 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, #157 of 1362 🔗

Will have been the film, the book was better though.

331049 ▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to Andrea Salford, 15, #158 of 1362 🔗

I agree. The Spectator seems to have changed position.

Am not sure they are “got to” as such. Not formally,

But, the government is right now by far the biggest spender of click related advertising. Just look at the numerous pop up NHS ads that appear.

This is always bound to affect an editorial position.

331059 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Andrea Salford, 10, #159 of 1362 🔗

The Sun article left a bad taste – I don’t see why Toby bothered to link it.

331131 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Andrea Salford, 9, #160 of 1362 🔗

I like Rod Liddle but he has been very wishy washy when it has come to covid. An avid kockdown advocate until recently, now admitting they don’t work. However in his recent podcast for Spiked with Bredan Fraser, he admitted he liked lockdown as he didn’t have to meet people (strange). I found this statement pretty alarming, but just goes to show why we are in the shit that we are. Unfortunately for democracy, there are millions like Rod Little around the country, depressing stuff.

331687 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #161 of 1362 🔗

Well if he does not want to meet people he did not have to before lockdown. Just stay indoors or go out into the wilderness. But to support lockdown for that reason is really sick and selfish…I have gone right off him.

331683 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Andrea Salford, 4, #162 of 1362 🔗

I suspect some of Liddle’s cowardice and fear is due to his own awful obesity and tendency to drinking and smoking. He said he would be ‘buggered’ if he ever got it. I also think Covid has destroyed that kind of ‘Right of Centre’ coalition based around Brexit and the Culture Wars. Certain members of this coalition has proved to be ‘controlled opposition’ to the cultural elites. Thinking here of Melanie Phillips,Rod Liddle,Dominic Lawson,Charles Moore,Douglas Murray,Julia Hartley Brewer and even to some extent Brendan O’Neil who cant wait for the vaccine and thinks the pandemic is the worse thing since the Spanish Flu. I suppose opposing a new global tyranny is a bit too much for some compared to dealing with a few over enthusiastic Remainers. They have been found wanting and have crumbled under pressure.

332241 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Andrea Salford, #163 of 1362 🔗

And Laura Perrins.

331005 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #164 of 1362 🔗

Woke gobbledygook
Perhaps I’m being picky but the offensive gendered term ‘first cousin’ is also listed as a preferred alternative.
I know not whether this stems from Breitbart or Nancy Pelosi.

331062 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to karenovirus, 4, #165 of 1362 🔗

We are all “Grandparent Killers ” now

331068 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Marialta, 1, #166 of 1362 🔗

‘Grandparent’ is ok being gender neutral.

331077 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to karenovirus, 4, #167 of 1362 🔗

but ageist

331007 Stephen Priest, 2, #168 of 1362 🔗

Proof That Lockdowns Are Working! (or not)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ_XFUYAV_A
AwakenWithJP

331020 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #169 of 1362 🔗

If opening back up the economy and society depends on everyone getting the jab, what is going to be the fate of refuseniks? We will become the new Kulaks.

331028 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #170 of 1362 🔗

Indeed, fhe Kulaks used their brains to make the best of a bad situation and maybe a bit of an annual profit only to be accused of trampling on their less successful fellow peasants who were, of course, only too willing to denounce them to the Cheka.

331031 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to karenovirus, 2, #171 of 1362 🔗

Are they the ones the Soviets destroyed because they had a cow and a bit of land? In the Ukraine or somewhere wasn’t it? (And that Armando Ianucci filum about Stalin was hilarious – and probably spot on too.

331036 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 4, #172 of 1362 🔗

Just before he died Lenin instituted a New Economic Policy, NEF, which allowed small scale farming and urban market activity as the only way to get food and domestic goods produced.

At the start of Stalins 5 year Plans the moderately successful peasants and entrepreneurs (nefmen) were persecuted to mass death having outed themselves as being not amenable to collectivisation.

This applied throughout the Soviet Union but more harshly in Ukraine because Stalin was a racist, Lenin on his deathbed labelling him a Greater Russian Chauvinist despite him being Georgian.

331023 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 25, #173 of 1362 🔗

The data on the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine is actually based on small numbers. But the data on the efficacy of those who got one jab only must be non-existent or at least vanishingly small. What evidence is there that one shot works at all? It’s hard to avoid the idea that either they are making this up as they go along or that that there is a sinister reason for them wanting as many people as possible to have something injected into them.

331029 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #174 of 1362 🔗

And surely vaccines normally take years to develop. I’d like to know how they have done it so quickly. Or perhaps that trillion pounds statistic has something to do with it. No wonder we’re not allowed to say anything against them…

331037 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #175 of 1362 🔗

Anyone got access to this ?

331094 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to karenovirus, 10, #176 of 1362 🔗

The abstract says: Severe allergy-like reactions in people who received the COVID-19 vaccine produced by Pfizer and BioNTech in December 2020 may be due to a compound in the packaging of the messenger RNA (mRNA) that forms the vaccine’s main ingredient, scientists say. A similar mRNA vaccine developed by Moderna also contains the compound, polyethylene glycol (PEG). PEG has never been used before in an approved vaccine, but it is found in many drugs, some of which have occasionally triggered anaphylaxis—a potentially life-threatening reaction. Some allergists and immunologists believe a small number of people previously exposed to PEG may have high levels of antibodies against it, putting them at risk of an anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine. Although some are skeptical of the link, the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the Food and Drug Administration are taking the issue very seriously.
I think this was raised at least a month ago when the list of ingredients was published, and PEG was flagged as being problematic.

331117 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Felice, 3, #177 of 1362 🔗

13 deaths have been reported from the Moderna vaccine, 6 from vaccine, 7 from the “control”. Internet searches now predictable say this is not true. Does anyone know anything about these deaths?

331491 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Felice, 1, #178 of 1362 🔗

Thank you Felice

331113 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #179 of 1362 🔗

I would go with the latter. They never normally make such a big deal about the flu jabs. I will not go anywhere near this vaccine!

331282 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #181 of 1362 🔗

Video from Dr Vernon Coleman about severe health impact events after vaccination – can expect 1.67 million people to be unable to do their daily activities; this is short term, not sure about long term

Not anti vaccine but pro choice and making an informed decision.

Distribute this video to all you know including journalists

331027 Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 9, #182 of 1362 🔗

Been posted before. Media jumped on it with swine flu but not now:

https://principia-scientific.com/the-bill-boris-show-sage-conflict-of-interest/

Questions must be asked at highest levels.

331273 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 3, #183 of 1362 🔗

Great article. Shocking! Yes questions must be asked and these people must be removed from these positions

331035 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 65, #184 of 1362 🔗

I note with horror the murmurings that are coming out about wearing face-masks out of doors. This seems to be totally based on the need to ensure everyone is prepared to signal that they are on board and in agreement with all this nonsense. I am unaware of any real evidence for facemasks and certainly not outside. As mentioned before I have throat problems related to agricultural and chemical dust exposure, we know that wearing masks only has a limited effect on such dusts, what you need to do is put in dust control on the process itself.
Are they really going to expect farm workers, forestry and conservation workers and ramblers to wear masks while working in a howling gale miles from anywhere, here in the boondocks of North Devon?
This could of course backfire on them, many people have limited their shopping time and so just slip on a grotty old mask to pop in the shop to buy their lunchtime pasty but otherwise avoid shops. If they try to force mask wearing everywhere outdoors in the hope of proving everyone buys into this rubbish they do run the risk of finding that everyone does not buy into this rubbish and once you force people to rebel in one way there is a chance the tide will turn. As someone said here earlier it is going to get worse before it gets better,

331047 ▶▶ danny, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #185 of 1362 🔗

Masks are the ultimate signifiers of consent. You cannot have one place with and one without.

331048 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #186 of 1362 🔗

That was the purpose of the article in the Bucks Herald I posted about a couple of days ago.
It purported to be about the good folk of Aylesbury being angry because anti lockdown protesters were not wearing masks in the market square.
Normalising al fresco maskurbation 🏝 😷

331075 ▶▶ alw, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #187 of 1362 🔗

People will just claim exemption under the Equalties Act.

331096 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to alw, 26, #188 of 1362 🔗

Except they wont. Only we will and we mark ourselves out as different, in even more places.

331157 ▶▶ CaptainG, replying to Steve Martindale, 20, #189 of 1362 🔗

I live in Slovakia where we have had mandatory face masks outside in urban areas since September. Outside the town/city “in nature” they are not required although many do still wear them re even. There are no personal exemptions like in the UK for health reasons- everyone has to wear them, and they do.We are the only people we know who do not wear masks outside. Compliance around Bratislava is close to 100%. Quite depressing and extraordinary since there are loads of times when you are nowhere near anyone else anyway on quiet streets and parks. And I have never seen or heard of any enforcement by police or anyone else outside (although if you try to get away without a mask inside anywhere you will soon be told to put one on).

331180 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CaptainG, 8, #190 of 1362 🔗

Unreal. It’s depressing even. It’s clearly had zero impact.

331182 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #191 of 1362 🔗

And because Cases are a complete nonsense

331228 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to CaptainG, 10, #192 of 1362 🔗

It’s not entirely surprising, Slovaks can have a very depressing outlook on life. Especially when it seems that it is every citizen’s duty to tune into at least one hour-long evening MSM news program per day. I know some people who get home from work and watch two or three hours of it non-stop every day. These are news programs that usually have a male and female anchor who actually present the show in muzzles! Quite ridiculous. The quality of the content would make the Daily Star blush. Simple brainwashing.
Also the prime minister is an utter moron, even in comparison with Boris. He says inflammatory things similar to the “non-mask wearers have blood on their hands” nonsense with every breath. As much as it is hell with our clown democracy, it is much worse elsewhere.
I wonder what compliance is like in the little isolated villages, or what it is like in the Roma settlements.

332486 ▶▶▶▶ CaptainG, replying to TheBluePill, #193 of 1362 🔗

Agreed Matovic is something else…
the small villages are more relaxed I’m sure, it’s very much a BA thing.
are you in BA? Would you like to get in touch? We don’t personally know many other real skeptics here.
gns64@protonmail.com

331471 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #194 of 1362 🔗
331038 Fingerache Philip, 14, #195 of 1362 🔗

DM: Demonstraters (some “maskless”) followed by the usual anti sceptic propaganda) harass doctor outside hospital.
Didn’t know that wearing a face nappy outside was compulsory.

331039 chaos, 10, #196 of 1362 🔗

Vaccine firms hit back at shortage claims: Pfizer and AstraZeneca reject government warnings of months-long supply gaps:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9105625/Pfizer-AstraZeneca-reject-government-warnings-months-long-supply-gaps.html

So endless lockdowns and economic destruction are the plan…

What a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive…

331043 Tim Bidie, 15, #197 of 1362 🔗

Well, at least there is potentially a good game to be played in 2021

Given that there are council and Scottish assembly elections 06 May

Given the political open goal that is the dodgy PCR test

And given the importance to the reputations of various politicians and political parties of the flawed PCR test confected ‘pandemic’ (15526 lorry drivers tested in Kent, 36 positives by a non PCR test) and their, frankly weird, response to it

Which will be the first elected and still serving mainstream high profile politician or political party to break ranks on the PCR test, weaponise it in pursuit of electoral glory?

Richard Tice has shown the way and, in Scotland, there is only one person who has anything to lose……..

331045 Stephensceptic, replying to Stephensceptic, 30, #198 of 1362 🔗

The Politico article about California is awesome.

Just assumes that the evil lock down measures ought to work but naughty people are just not complying and letting their guard down.

How on earth does one let one’s guard down with respect to an invisible, microscopic virus that travels on the wind and that permeates any stupid cloth mask that you decide to wear?

Perhaps, Politico ought to consider one extra rationale: the virus does what it does and human agency will not radically alter that.

331055 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Stephensceptic, 26, #199 of 1362 🔗

the virus does what it does and human agency will not radically alter that.’
I think this is the aspect that real annoys the powers that be and all the ‘experts’ they are control freaks but cannot control this virus, it is like the Viet-Cong running rings round the USA with a guerilla campaign that just does not follow their rules and expectations.
And to my mind that is why we are all suffering, they cannot, will not and do not have the courage to admit that we have to live with this virus and that it cannot be defeated.
This virus will roam about like the will of the wisp that it is until it decides to go, which I am hoping will be quite soon.

331066 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #200 of 1362 🔗

That war was run by the Americans by targets generated by computers, cf models.
To reach their targets troops resorted to killing prisoners and civilians yet still they lost.

331073 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Stephensceptic, 5, #201 of 1362 🔗

That last point rings very true. I welcome the more virulent strain since it might demonstrate that there is nothing that can be done anyway.

331092 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to jhfreedom, 11, #202 of 1362 🔗

And even if they manage to partially control it, as I believe was the case as numbers were diminishing after the wave peaked in the spring, all they end up doing is kicking the can down the road, into the winter, when immune systems are weaker and resolve with it. I know not everyone agrees with that reading of the situation but in terms of the efficacy of lockdown it makes little difference: either lockdown doesn’t work at all or, if it does succeed in partially “suppressing” the virus, it ends up making the situation worse and at the wrong time of year.

332246 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to jhfreedom, #203 of 1362 🔗

Maybe it will also knock off a few MPs and journalists.

331081 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Stephensceptic, 6, #204 of 1362 🔗

I used to get the UK version of Politico’s daily ‘Playbook’ by email. Used to be excellent for summing up Brexit developments but ever since Covid it has transformed into total bedwettery – parroting daily ‘case’ and ‘death’ figures with no context, lauding the dreadful Imperial scientists and constantly wailing about how ‘grim’ the ‘pandemic’ is. Subscription cancelled.

331691 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Poppy, 1, #205 of 1362 🔗

Can’t you get your money back!

331046 danny, replying to danny, 37, #206 of 1362 🔗

Wasted an afternoon a few days ago desperately scanning the news for advance info on the primary school situation. My daughter was really unhappy last lockdown. This is her final, wonderful year in primary now after being robbed of the whole second half of her penultimate year and the thought of having to tell her that it would be closed again was really keeping me up at night.
Finally got the all clear, only to be put right back on tenterhooks again today, while all the headlines and the unions scream their demand for national closure once more.
This is just too much.
As a Covid sceptic, I feel like I am failing in my duties as a parent to give my kid a good and happy life. I know it all not my fault, but this all feels so utterly hopeless and that we have to just accept it all, even when it comes to our own family.

331051 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to danny, 9, #207 of 1362 🔗

Don’t beat yourself up Danny it’s not your decision to close the school.
I think you said above that you are a teacher, do the staff have any influence at all ?

331054 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to karenovirus, 21, #208 of 1362 🔗

Yes I am, of much older kids. But no, teachers and parents have zero impact on these decisions.
If my school is anything to go by, I’d say a majority of teachers have been and continue to be willing to come in, but there are a vocal minority (same with the parents) who push these demands, les by the unions

331084 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to danny, -4, #209 of 1362 🔗

Delete

331058 ▶▶ mr ben, replying to danny, 11, #210 of 1362 🔗

I have a daughter of the same age. She has struggled with going to school since the lockdown and has only been attending part time. She was having massive panic attacks each morning.

331065 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to mr ben, 20, #211 of 1362 🔗

I’m really sorry to hear that. It further illustrates the divide between those affected and those not.
Such a difference (which I understand if not forgive in its selfishness) between somebody in the 30s, part of a couple, no kids, affluent, loves working from home anyway, gets everything online including food, who is basically untouched by lockdown, and, well, the rest of the world. Really hope your daughter is ok.

331085 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to danny, 6, #212 of 1362 🔗

And, dare I say it, those that favour this nonsense are the engaged minority so their little darlings can extend their advantage over the povs while mummy and daddy don’t have to pay for it; and they can continue to signal their virtue about “divisive” private education. And then there are the real arseholes who are lockdown zealots and privately educate their children.

331076 ▶▶ mj, replying to danny, 11, #213 of 1362 🔗

and of course, this is on top of the fearmongering that the kids will get when they do finally return to school and the educational establishment get back to scaring them about global warming (and how they will all drown anyway in 10 years time due to rising sea level etc etc ) and continuing to preach their woke diversity agenda .
i remember when the teaching professions job was to educate, not indoctrinate.

331692 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to mj, 1, #214 of 1362 🔗

I do too…I used to do the job! No longer thank goodness.

332247 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to mj, 1, #215 of 1362 🔗

And transgender story telling hour.

331087 ▶▶ Dr Y, replying to danny, 10, #216 of 1362 🔗

Agree the schools closing again mess has ruined my sleep again too.
My daughter will get her keyworker place and with two medical sceptic parents is in a strong psychological position. I am desperately unhappy watching the suffering of other children though.
I am really struggling with the uncertainty of the daily changing rules and regimes. I’m sure that’s the point of them doing this though.

331268 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Dr Y, 6, #217 of 1362 🔗

As children of keyworkers have gone to school throughout, I wonder what the death rates of children and/or their parents have been? Sorry to sound macabre, but if they can teach some children successfully without stepping over the bodies on the way into school surely they could do it for all children?

331258 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to danny, 5, #218 of 1362 🔗

If schools are closed, the children should protest in front of school gates

These people that close schools are evil – the damage to kids education and mental wellbeing is massive.

Never forget. When next election / local elections vote for any other party / independents but not for conservatives or labour (labour collaborated by failing to oppose). Do not deface voting forms, it is meaningless

331298 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Victoria, 4, #219 of 1362 🔗

Its not a bad idea, if we could get footage of police thugs baton charging children pinning them down and handcuffing them, a few sheep might wake up.

It won’t be enough to make a difference though.

331310 ▶▶ GLT, replying to danny, 12, #220 of 1362 🔗

I am a parent of an autistic child for whom lockdown has been a disaster given the already fragile relationship he had with school attendance. I am also a governor at a private school (I was also a governor of a state school for years). I also feel that sense of impotence and that I am failing my children. The reality is that schools are a microcosm of society…even as a sceptic with a reasonably sceptical head it is virtually impossible for a school to ignore or act contrary to guidelines, especially given the fact that every parent community has its zealots. I am angry at them but also recognise the powerful instincts at play as a parent and how the government and internet platforms have stoked and amplified their fear. I think the only hope is that enough people eventually have the virus or receive a positive result that eventually the fear dissipates.

331380 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to GLT, 3, #221 of 1362 🔗

every parent community has its zealots

so true – we have a doctor couple that at the first lockdown told us how overrun the NHS was etc. Also a very instructional type of approach, both are socially very akward

331060 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #222 of 1362 🔗

The NHS dashboard records that they carried out 420492 tests in one day and that they have carried out 52,058,247 tests in total.
I do not know about a pandemic? but we do seem to have a number-demic, it sort of makes you wonder where all these number are coming from?
Also, how much does each of these tests cost? if the Gov have now paid for over 52 million of them someone has ‘trousered’ a shed load of dosh!

It is now not clear what all these huge numbers are saying?
As John Lennon put it;

Ah I read the news today, oh boy
Four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire
And though the holes were rather small
They had to count them all
Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall

331064 ▶▶ mr ben, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #223 of 1362 🔗

I think I read somewhere it was £150 per test. But I can’t be certain. An eye watering amount if true.

331080 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to mr ben, 5, #224 of 1362 🔗

Ivor Cummins on his PCR v antigen test says the PCR test costs $150 each, so yes £150. Also if they’re using the NHS supply chain then it could be more than that (price through NHS chain = 2-3 * price from Amazon)

331490 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to p02099003, 1, #225 of 1362 🔗

400,000 tests a day at £150 a throw, that’s around £60m a day or £20B per annum. And as you say, it could be double that…

It really does beggar belief.

332249 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Steve Martindale, #226 of 1362 🔗

And the House of Commons.

331061 mr ben, replying to mr ben, 30, #227 of 1362 🔗

‘Van Tams bingo slip’ was really interesting. The reasserting of power by a technocrat elite.
Chimes with what Delingpole has been saying

331105 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mr ben, 22, #228 of 1362 🔗

On a par with that woman on Radio 4 at least three times spouting

”we have to get them out of the pubs before they start falling all over each other”

Outrageous snobbery.

331163 ▶▶ Monty Greene, replying to mr ben, 2, #229 of 1362 🔗

Doctor orders Number 10.

331193 ▶▶ Monty Greene, replying to mr ben, 3, #230 of 1362 🔗

Two fat docs.

331211 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to mr ben, 9, #231 of 1362 🔗

Van Tam’s white van moment.

332251 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bugle, #232 of 1362 🔗

Needs a straightjacket to go with it.

331448 ▶▶ Fred, replying to mr ben, 2, #233 of 1362 🔗

“62, Turn the Screw!” It’s happy hour at Van Tam Bingo!

331063 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 14, #234 of 1362 🔗

New Year – Same farcical yet tragic situation.

Let’s further damage the education of the children of London and, even better, let’s try to wreck the education of the whole country ! After all, a relatively small number of mainly very old very sick people died last year.

The ‘reason’ for this slaughter of our kids’ education this time – the new variant COVID. Well, if you look at the graphs of Zoe infection rates compared to critical care and G&A bed occupancy up to 27/12 (latest figures available), as the infections go up, the occupancy rates don’t move. I can’t believe the government haven’t even bothered to do the math !

As many have speculated on these pages, the new variant although more infectious appears so far to be less harmful.

btw, can anyone tell me how to upload a graph to this comment section ?

331074 ▶▶ Will, replying to Laurence, 9, #235 of 1362 🔗

There is no still no proof it is more infectious. Any rise in cases could be as easily explained by the drop in temperature as an increase in virulence.

331108 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Laurence, 1, #236 of 1362 🔗

There is a small icon in the bottom right hand corner of the comment box that allows you to insert images

331067 TC, replying to TC, 20, #237 of 1362 🔗

Don’t you recognise the new variant is proven to be more transmissible?
Prof Axel Gandy said so on the BBC so it must be right.
Why would he,other scientists and doctors,the Government all be wrong and you right?
No, I am not 77th nor have I flipped sides but the above is what my wife and daughter gave to me last night when I pointed out the Prof was another Imperial College mathematician (why is it always Imperial?) and I might be more impressed if he were a virologist and not using modelling (I remember the days when that just reeferred to Airfix etc).
Deep joy in a household of fear.
Still, we carry on.
Long live the Resistance.

331071 ▶▶ Will, replying to TC, 26, #238 of 1362 🔗

When Carl Heneghan uncovers the data that shows this strain of the virus is more transmissible I will believe it. Every time one of the corrupt scientists from Imperial comes out with a statement I believe the official narrative less.

331109 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TC, 5, #239 of 1362 🔗

Ask your wife and daughter if they’d follow everyone over a cliff – after all, how can the majority be wrong about anything?

331070 alw, replying to alw, 20, #240 of 1362 🔗

Professor Montgomery

331072 alw, replying to alw, 3, #242 of 1362 🔗

There are fewer patients in ICU’s now than there were in April.

331078 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 4, #243 of 1362 🔗

They were probably more ill in March having been instructed to leave the NHS alone unless they failed to recover at home thus being denied early interventions.

331079 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 3, #244 of 1362 🔗

Re rules on not travelling abroad from tier 4 areas for holidays etc. Say my family and I turn up at the airport having booked flights to a destination where there is little to do but be on holiday. Will the airline or other officials stop us boarding ? Or make our lives difficult on our return? Anyone have any experience of this? Given our young children have no school to go to, am thinking of better alternatives than being cooped up at home with nothing to do and failing to learn a damn thing.

331366 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Adamb, 2, #245 of 1362 🔗

I mentioned this last Sunday, but staying at the Sofitel, term 5 last Saturday as my husband returning to Qatar, it was relatively busy. The flight to Doha also busy, Doha being a transit hub. I am intending to fly to Doha a week Sunday, Qatar airways are still running multiple flights a day, so I assume people are still flying in significant numbers.

331082 TJN, replying to TJN, 25, #246 of 1362 🔗

Fascinating piece by Freddie Attenborough in today’s post. I’ve been struggling towards these sorts of ideas myself for many months now, after back in April the thought popped into my head that we were going to suffer this collective national nervous breakdown sooner or later anyway, and that covid was just the vehicle, rather than the cause.

Covid has revealed that our political and social institutions are sick, and that the generation of managerialists who infest them are a primary part of the problem. In retrospect, as FA hints, the  Establishment resistance to Brexit was perhaps only the first rumblings of a far greater storm to come. (Note: thus far the Establishment has lost that one.)

A thorough analysis of the thought processes and motivations of our managerial elites, the perpetrators of this crime, and how they gained positions of responsibility, will be essential to gaining an understanding of what has gone so wrong.

One for the psychologists, and historians used to studying motivation and agenda. As for me, as I’ve written here often before, I’m continually reminded of 17th-century witch hunting. Many of the psychological features appear to be the same, although this shitshow is on a far larger scale.

331091 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to TJN, 15, #247 of 1362 🔗

Doris tweeted about the Great Reset last night. Conclusion: 2021 will be the same or worse than 2020.

I predict diapers, LDs, massive data fraud, for all of 2021. Note the new messaging about the m agic vaxx now – ‘not sure if it stops transmission’ the ‘scientists’ moan, well geniuses the flu vaxx never stops transmission it just reduces symptoms.

Not sure why Toby et al post nonsense links from the Guardian, with nurses crying about workloads. Ridiculous propaganda.

Many of them are ‘isolating’, not working and why are hospitals in mid Sussex and elsewhere not busy? We have had 2 deaths in 4 months from CV 19 here in mid-S yet here I am shuttered in our house, with the CV religious zealots wearing diapers whilst driving, walking and no doubt toiletting at home.

In our company (40.000 people), spread over half the world – not a single case of someone dying from CV 19. None. Yet it is a pandemic…..

331115 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to FerdIII, 9, #248 of 1362 🔗

They’re crying about workloads? At least they’ve got a bloody job.

331331 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to kh1485, 5, #249 of 1362 🔗

Indeed. I miss the days where aeroplanes were not a rare sight in the sky and I actually had a workload to moan about!

These people are unbelievable.

331167 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to FerdIII, 16, #250 of 1362 🔗

Have you noticed that most health staff who are wheeled out to complain about being “exhausted” and to inflate the drama with stories of large scale death and destruction are either quite junior staff or those with a financial interest like Montgomery? Those of us who’ve been around a long time and are trying to keep our services running despite the diktats from above are certainly working harder than ever but as in every profession there are those who are less pragmatic and astute, and who are too junior to be able to undetstand the data, let alone look at it. I am constantly amazed that there are some doctors and nurses who have no basic grasp of this, and apparent tunnel vision in response to what they are told to do by non clinical managers. Reassuringly, I still estimate that 80% of the many colleagues I speak to are sceptical. We are convinced that working within the system to gradually overturn things is the best way to maintain and regain the services for patients with other conditions.

331172 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to TJN, 7, #251 of 1362 🔗

It really is interesting and aligns with my own instincts about this. The question about how these people attained their positions is also very interesting. I wonder how much of this was seeded by common purpose etc. I first encountered their slithering nearly 15 years ago, and their primary aim seemed to be ensuring that these woefully unsuitable psychological nutcases were promoted up the chain as fast as possible.

331468 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #252 of 1362 🔗

I first got a whiff of it back in the early to mid 90s, and of course the people getting their first promotions then are worked their way right up gravy train by now – with consequences that are all too apparent today.

331281 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to TJN, 1, #253 of 1362 🔗

Any budding authors out there care to do a rewrite of ‘The Crucible’ for modern times?

They have closed the theatres I know, but maybe Toby would serialise it in his daily briefings. I would enjoy reading that.

331464 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Old Bill, 1, #254 of 1362 🔗

Well The Crucible was in part a depiction of McCarthyism, so can be read as an analogy to modern times.

331306 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to TJN, 8, #255 of 1362 🔗

I think a lot if this comes from overeducating a lot of middle class kids who, frankly, are a bit thick. What do you do with them? They become teachers who prefer sloganising to dealing with children. They become doctors who prefer PowerPoint slides to patients. They become bankers who are so ineffective and nondescript they go into politics. The gobby ones go into “the media “. And the mediocre ” academics” go into public health.

They are overprivileged for the work they do. At some level some of them recognise this, so they compensate for their privilege by being woke. But they all genuinely believe they are better than the hoipolloi and so can lecture us.

I call them the Louis Seizers and I hope they meet the same end.

331372 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to TJN, 2, #256 of 1362 🔗

I’m continually reminded of 17th-century witch hunting

Indeed

331462 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Victoria, 1, #257 of 1362 🔗

Yes, I’m surprised that this hasn’t been commented upon more often – all the same ingredients seem to be present.

331086 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #258 of 1362 🔗

Photograph at beginning of article

This is over the top.

Is that teacher going to shot that child even though he’s got his hands in the air?

Despite wearing PPE his infectious blood spatter could land on her

Gas chambers would involve less risk to teaching staff, and be far more efficient as pupils could be dispatched in batches

Gavin has not thought this through has he

331308 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cecil B, 1, #259 of 1362 🔗

That teacher looks like a serial killer about to dismember a corpse.

331142 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to norfolksceptic, 8, #261 of 1362 🔗

I would not be surprised if there were bonus targets for NHS managers to hit for Covid numbers.

331148 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to mhcp, 4, #262 of 1362 🔗

Me too

331309 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mhcp, 1, #263 of 1362 🔗

I would bet money on it! That’s what happened in the USA. Doctors were given money for every Covid patient diagnosed.

331313 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to mhcp, 1, #264 of 1362 🔗

Perhaps AwkwardGit could put in a FOI request on this.

331093 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #265 of 1362 🔗

Whilst answering on a different forum ( https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/01/covid-1984-british-anti-lockdown-activist-arrested-for-filming-an-empty-hospital/ ) I suddenly remembered something from when I worked in A&E:

The main wards also try and reduce the number of inpatients over the holiday period by discharging as many as possible and as safe as possible.
Then on Christmas Eve or a couple of days earlier there will be an increase in ED attendances of elderly people, usually brought in by relatives, with breathing problems and need to be kept in hospital; this is rather cynically referred to as granny dumping, so the family can have a good Christmas without having to look after granny. Especially when you consider that the elderly relative has been short of breath for months due to heart failure.

331133 ▶▶ Annie, replying to p02099003, 2, #266 of 1362 🔗

Reminds me of Doctor in the House: any patients who looked likely to die over Christmas were shovelled away out of sight so that the staff jollity could go ahead.

331095 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 12, #267 of 1362 🔗

With the Lateral Flow Test (15526 lorry drivers tested in Kent, 36 positives) this government can now reverse out of the ‘pandemic’ confected narrative whenever it so chooses.

Interesting to see whether it can be done in such a way as to leave the Scots assembly leader still mired in the panic driven ‘pandemic’, a fiction that she has done so much to create, while fighting Scottish assembly elections in May

331110 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim Bidie, 15, #268 of 1362 🔗

They could have ended this at anytime since the summer, but worryingly have chosen not to

331162 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Julian, 6, #269 of 1362 🔗

If they chose to end it at any point since the spring care home slaughter, they know that they would have risked prison or worse. They are not very good at strategy. If I try to think it through from their perspective, the best way out for them is to ramp up LFT while dropping PCR cycles while the vaccines roll out. It would also need to be accompanied with holocaust-style coronavirus-denier laws. Unfortunately they are too stupid and flappable to get this right, and there are now many evil vested interests with powerful kompromat. So it’ll probably go on for years until the memory of the crimes has faded enough for them to slip away.

331236 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #270 of 1362 🔗

On what basis would they have been imprisoned?

They could have decided to reduce cycles on PCR, use lateral flow from the outset, define cases more strictly, define deaths more strictly, not ramp up testing, not test asymptomatics, report on “excess” deaths or compare to recent averages

Obviously if they came out and said it was all a lot of fuss over nothing they would have been slaughtered by the media, including the BBC, and by the opposition, but they could have quietly changed how they reported, measured and defined things and the basis of testing, without saying much about it, at any time. But they chose not to. Why? Perhaps they thought someone would notice, but I am not convinced – they are openly inventing baseless rubbish to suit themselves and have ceased to even present dodgy graphs to back it up, so they know they can get away with more or less anything.

331311 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Julian, 7, #271 of 1362 🔗

I still think that this was caused by incompetence, quickly becoming criminal arse-covering, and now being exploited by sinister agents (WEF etc). At the start they panicked and caused many care home deaths. This is appalling and it could have been based on good intentions, but revealed it would mean the end of their careers. However, to save their careers they covered it up by taking action that they knew would cause more suffering and death, by exaggerating the disease, locking up citizens, withdrawing healthcare, and terrorising the populous. That is criminal in my mind and if exposed would result in prosecution. Our government are self-serving and psychopathic and will always take the selfish decision.

331428 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #272 of 1362 🔗

I doubt they are seriously worried about prison – sadly it’s unlikely there will ever be a reckoning strong enough to make that happen

But yes, worried about their political careers

The government are mercifully incompetent in almost everything except psychological warfare – imagine how much worse things would be if they made Track and Trace work, or the moonshot testing, or enforced restrictions properly. But I don’t see incompetence as the reason for the initial wrong move – they knew what the right thing to do was and it was pure cowardice that pushed them in another direction. In my book, calling it incompetence suggests they meant well but made a mistake. I think doing something out of cowardice when you know it’s not the right thing is evil, especially if you have put yourself forward for high office

331475 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #273 of 1362 🔗

Everyone in the construction industry is subject to the Construction (Design and Management) Regulations 2015. If someone’s actions, however well intentioned, cause the death or injury of another person then the responsible individual will face prosecution and the prospect of a substantial fine and/or custodial sentence.

Strangely. it would appear that Government ministers and the PM (or FM) can be responsible for hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths (e.g. in care homes) without any kind of formal sanction.

331458 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Julian, 1, #274 of 1362 🔗

They’ve been using it to deflect attention from Brexit. They will continue so to do if the Brexit deal gets a bad press, and, at the very least, they will further exploit it for council and Scottish elections in May. Those elections should give some kind of signal as to how they should proceed thereafter. But if the Scottish assembly leader gets a big vote of confidence, it may be that Covid alarmism/extremism is perceived, rightly or wrongly, as electoral catnip, in which case we will be in for a very long haul…….

331111 ▶▶ davews, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #275 of 1362 🔗

What is the situation at Dover now, are they still testing every driver? It seemed from the news yesterday that the rumoured Brexit queues which the media had rushed there to see hadn’t materialised. And so far no sign of any shortages in the supermarket.

331124 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to davews, 3, #276 of 1362 🔗

The BBC helpfully suggested that the reason for the lack of queues was the fear of drivers not wanting to be stuck in the predicted chaos.

331097 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 19, #277 of 1362 🔗

Paper in The International Journal of Clinical Practice – Miles, Steadman Heald
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijcp.13674

The average age at death and life expectancy loss for non-COVID-19 was 79.1 and 11.4 years, respectively, while COVID-19 were 80.4 and 10.1 years; including adjustments for life-shortening comorbidities and quality of life plausibly reduces this to around 5 QALY lost for each COVID-19 death. The lowest estimate for lockdown costs incurred was 40% higher than highest benefits from avoiding the worst mortality case scenario at full life expectancy tariff and in more realistic estimations they were over 5 times higher. Future scenarios showed in the best case a QALY value of £220k (7xNICE guideline) and in the worst-case £3.7m (125xNICE guideline) was needed to justify the continuation of lockdown.

Conclusion: This suggests that the costs of continuing severe restrictions are so great relative to likely benefits in lives saved that a rapid easing in restrictions is now warranted

Real science is getting out there but the government and its advisors have disappeared so far up the arse of the trojan horse that they seem immune to logic

331099 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Aslangeo, 6, #278 of 1362 🔗

This government is all about political advantage.

They will not change until they believe they can profit by a new approach.

331149 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #279 of 1362 🔗

nice paper. all adds to the evidence against lockdowns and a good one to share as its from a ‘reputable source’

331153 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #280 of 1362 🔗

just to add they used fergusons 500,000 (give or take) for the lives ‘saved’. ie lockdown is even worse

331222 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 5, #281 of 1362 🔗

Any decision of such magnitude ought to have been done using some formal approach, but in reality anyone with half a brain could have told you without thinking about it for very long that the costs outweighed the possible benefits by many orders of magnitude, or as a minimum could have done the calculation on the back of an envelope.

And that’s without putting a price on lost freedom and enjoyment of life, which any rational person would need to include.

331328 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 4, #282 of 1362 🔗

The formal approach was there with QALYs and NICE. Since SARS-CoV-2 was downgraded in March it begs the questions why it wasn’t used. It was intentional and ignored for other agendas.

331421 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #283 of 1362 🔗

I think one junior minister asked about a cost benefit analysis at the time

I don’t think it occurred to them – they were already in the “something must be done” mindset (or going along with some evil plan, depending on which theory you prefer)

332257 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Aslangeo, #284 of 1362 🔗

They don’t even know what logic is. It should be taught to every child in school,

331101 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #285 of 1362 🔗

I have spoken with someone who works in the Heath University Hospital Cardiff. The only hospital with ICU beds in Cardiff

The Heath had two two ICU wards at the start of December

One is full, they closed the other

The reason for the closure is lack of staff. Staff took leave, are off sick, self isolating, or allowed to stay at home because of stress

The latter group are not recorded anywhere and to all intents and purposes are ‘working’

So when they tell the press that the ICU is full in one sense they are telling the truth

The real reason why the pubs have been closed for two months

331103 ▶▶ PFD, replying to Cecil B, 9, #286 of 1362 🔗

This now makes complete sense of Karenovirus’ post in which she showed Katie Hopkins with a chart showing the precipitous drop in ICU beds in Cardiff in December.

331107 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 9, #287 of 1362 🔗

And yet the only fucking question the bloody journos will ask will still be “why didn’t you lock down earlier?”

331112 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 2, #288 of 1362 🔗

See my post earlier, Katie Hopkins provides the graphic on YouTube but did not know the reason why ITU beds in Cardif went from 90 to 50 at the beginning of December.
Scroll through quickly, you can’t miss the pic of Katie I bright red.

331121 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 3, #289 of 1362 🔗

Yes, my post is a reply to your post

I posted it again as new comment so people didn’t miss it

331129 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 2, #290 of 1362 🔗

Thanks , at least it wasn’t a cynical closure just to ramp up the fear.

331114 Mark, replying to Mark, 24, #291 of 1362 🔗

An interesting take in Conservative Woman on the “plandemic” term. Not the rather fanciful idea that the whole thing was planned in its entirety by some nefarious power clique, but rather the intentional use by the state, in the UK and in Germany, and undoubtedly elsewhere as well, of fear propaganda and psychological manipulation to ensure compliance with coercive measures. It’s based on the very good German book Corona:False Alarm.

The Covid panic was planned all along

I have personally been pondering the sheer drama of the fear-mongering recently. Every so often I go back to monitoring the mainstream news and even I get scared by all the scary stuff they publish, and I know from experience that when I dig down into the facts and real numbers I’ll find yet again that it’s all bollocks. “NHS exhausted by huge wave of covid” turns out to be normal winter bugs plus NHS capacity reduced by stupid panic measures. “Mutant terror bug” turns out to be mostly fantasy and, if anything real, just a quicker route to herd immunity. Personal scare stories turn out to be just the usual shit that happens just as much when you aren’t hunting for every possible example of misery in the world to focus on.

331254 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Mark, 4, #292 of 1362 🔗

The book is available in English here https://www.satrakshita.com/Books/Corona_False_Alarm.pdf

A great read

331296 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Mark, 3, #293 of 1362 🔗

The NHS is understaffed as thousands are on the sick. The government should say no work no pay.

331116 davews, replying to davews, 4, #294 of 1362 🔗

Last night we had a Zoom New Year’s soire at our church – don’t ask. I slipped in my version of James Leary’s version of the Christmas story posted on here, it went down pretty well I am glad to say. Whether it will have any affect on their mainly pro-lockdown views I don’t think so.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xzv5ga9IPf6QCtxgB5cMFhZHGrrdvbKj/view if you missed it last time I posted.

331174 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to davews, 1, #295 of 1362 🔗

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331118 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 8, #296 of 1362 🔗

Meandering, fanciful thought right now. I know we’ve had songs by Van Morrison and Eric Clapton about the crapfest, just wondering whether Mark Knopfler is a sceptic (he strikes me as the kind of bloke who would be). Perhaps he could do a re-write of Industrial Disease to reflect the current times.

331385 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 3, #297 of 1362 🔗

A song from 30+years ago “freiheit” – Liberty is very popular with sceptics in Germany. It was played NY on the live stream joined by more than 9K people on BittelTv (honestly, one of my best NY). There was quite a discussion then what the singer makes of the sceptics adopting his song, he has been very quiet on this subject!
Like most musicians.

331122 Marg, replying to Marg, 4, #298 of 1362 🔗

Interesting that of the vaccinated in Israel 240 have been found to develop CV19. UK started their programme and we are being told there is a spike in cases. It could be that there generally is a spike in respiratory illnesses Dec and Jan every year. I’m not a doctor but logic tells me we are not being given the full picture!

331144 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Marg, 2, #299 of 1362 🔗

Correct

331181 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Marg, 2, #300 of 1362 🔗

Yes Marg. It’s a standard winter phenomenon. The stats are presented as if it’s not.

331123 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 20, #301 of 1362 🔗

Freddie’s post about the bingo was brilliant. Does anyone remember Van Tams vaccine metaphor about the train arriving, the doors are open and we need you all to get on the train? I found it chilling. Would love to know your thoughts on that Freddie if you’re around to see this comment. 🌸

331140 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #302 of 1362 🔗

I seem to recall a similar analogy was used when we were being coerced to join the Exchange Rate Mechanism. I am very pleased that train left without us.

331199 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #303 of 1362 🔗

Don’t remember but it’s a very unfortunate metaphor.

331960 ▶▶ Fred, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #304 of 1362 🔗

I hadn’t seen that one, but it’s part and parcel of the same rhetoric toolbag, isn’t it? It barely manages, or indeed bothers, to hide its author’s distaste for “the masses.” We can, perhaps, allow that he’s historically illiterate and simply doesn’t get the unfortunate connotations of what he’s saying. But the imagery of “herding,” and his own positioning therein as “the master,” corralling we the disease-prone scrotes is a potentially pretty interesting insight into the mindset of the man behind the scientist.

331127 Annie, replying to Annie, 28, #305 of 1362 🔗

Just been looking over from Pembrokeshire toward the Somerset and Devon coast, bathed in morning light of fantastic clarity. I could see not just Dunkery Beacon and the coast as far as Lynmouth, which is not uncommon, but right across to Hartland Point, which is rare.
To all sceptics across the Bristol Channel, greetings from a free spirit in Gulag Wales.
If you look over from your coast towards ours, wave to me, I’ll be waving back.

331165 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 2, #306 of 1362 🔗

It’s been lovely here on Dartmoor the last few days, especially late on when the day-trippers have gone. You must be able to see Lundy as well. I love the coast up around Hartland.

331220 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Annie, 3, #307 of 1362 🔗

i’m about to head out for a walk along the beach at bream on the other side of the bristol channel on a lovely sunny day – i’ll certainly give you a wave!

331130 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #308 of 1362 🔗

Great article I found that tries to explain the mess we are in now vis a vis the NHS:

https://midlandsagainstlockdown.wordpress.com/2020/12/13/theatrical-cult/

331197 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #309 of 1362 🔗

Good article. I hail from Earlsdon and parents still there, so we know that theatre well.

331916 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #310 of 1362 🔗

Oh my! comment image

332584 ▶▶▶ midlandsagainstlockdown, replying to Cheezilla, #311 of 1362 🔗

It’s in Leam, not Cov, but I encourage everyone to get out and about with their camera and document anything relevant.

332571 ▶▶ midlandsagainstlockdown, replying to Bart Simpson, #312 of 1362 🔗

Thanks for liking and linking to it and thanks to everyone who has read it as a consequence. I hope that other people are encouraged to start a blog to document what has been going on in their locality, as there is only so much that be conveyed in a tweet or a reply on here.

In the meanwhile, this is how I feel that Leave/Remain tribalism has not just divided the population, making it difficult to build a solid anti-lockdown movement, but distracted everyone from the bigger picture of the Global Reset and the influence of the CCP:

https://midlandsagainstlockdown.wordpress.com/2020/12/31/exit-strategy/

331132 kowalski, replying to kowalski, 46, #313 of 1362 🔗

Happy New Year from Minsk from everyone. Belarus was probably one of the only countries in the world that had huge parties organised by the government to celebrate the new year. Still no social distancing or lockdowns here. Yes some hospitals are busy, but it is winter after all. I look at the UK and wonder if the bulk of the population will ever wake and say NO, ENOUGH. It’s extremely sad how easy the majority are to manipulate, and accepting of totalitarianism.

But sceptics should never give up hope. Stay strong.

May 2021 bring freedom

331206 ▶▶ Julian, replying to kowalski, 6, #314 of 1362 🔗

How is life in Belarus? Would a softie Brit like me survive there?

331314 ▶▶▶ kowalski, replying to Julian, 7, #315 of 1362 🔗

I’m a softie Brit and doing just fine. Let me know when you arrive, we’ll go for a beer 🙂

331418 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to kowalski, 3, #316 of 1362 🔗

A tempting offer

Is there any pro-lockdown pressure there?

If I am going to relocate for a period of time, it’s a lot of upheaval and I wouldn’t want to do it and then find the goalposts have moved. Sweden would still be first choice despite their gradual capitulation, mainly because I’ve been there and they seem like OK people and it’s a rich European democracy (if such things still exist)

I know very little about Belarus but imagine life can be a little more sketchy there

331230 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kowalski, 5, #317 of 1362 🔗

How do we get there

331291 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 4, #318 of 1362 🔗

I’m packing my bags and buying a one way ticket!

331317 ▶▶▶▶ kowalski, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #319 of 1362 🔗

Let me know when you arrive 🙂

331315 ▶▶▶ kowalski, replying to Cecil B, 3, #320 of 1362 🔗

4 flights a week from Gatwick to Minsk 🙂

331300 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kowalski, 4, #321 of 1362 🔗

Any coffee shops for sale?

331318 ▶▶▶ kowalski, replying to kh1485, 4, #322 of 1362 🔗

Yes I saw one a few days ago actually!

331330 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to kowalski, 2, #323 of 1362 🔗

what’s the Ryanair one way cost to Belarus?

331359 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to kowalski, 3, #324 of 1362 🔗
331134 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #325 of 1362 🔗

How is BBC/MSM UK going to handle this? Disagreement in lockdown fanatics(scientists).

Fauci says no the UK vaccine recommendation

“Fauci today: The United States will not use 2nd vaccine dose to vaccinate more people.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1345080202964029442

331137 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to swedenborg, 8, #326 of 1362 🔗

“It does not compute! Exterminate! Error, error, not compute.” Dalek explodes.

331204 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 3, #327 of 1362 🔗

I hope the decision turns out to be another government own goal, though they are rarely called out on their own goals

331337 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Julian, 8, #328 of 1362 🔗

I’ve just seen a headline that 1 million Brits have been vaccinated and Hancock says “The end is in sight”. Perhaps their strategy is vaccinate as many as possible then they can say covid is conquered. It doesn’t matter if the vaccine works because it’s all BS anyway.

331138 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 64, #329 of 1362 🔗

I don’t consider myself emotionally fragile. Any feelings of sadness or depression I have had in my life have been situational (ie. directly related to events or circumstances) rather than general angst. I was brought up by older parents who were born in the 30s and had a stiff upper lip “keep buggering on” approach to life. HOWEVER, the suggestion that the next step could be masking outdoors is terrifying me. I feel anxious and desperate. This is not the country I thought it was. I cannot comprehend how people can be so uncritical, so gulled. I’m lucky to have a comfortable life and my son and husband share my scepticism as do my closest friends but a little part of me really doesn’t want to wake up in the mornings any more. I’m bone tired of being the only person in a shop unmasked, being accused on social media of being a callous granny killer, of seeing my in-laws literally cowering in their garage when we drop off supplies, of losing friends whose stupidity I can no longer stomach and who think I’m a sociopath in turn.

Sorry for the stream of consciousness. I needed to vent before I face the day!

331146 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 31, #330 of 1362 🔗

I’m in the same boat but the not wearing a mask is not bothering me at all. A lady jumped out of my way to a busy main road yesterday to avoid me,her fried just turned her head in complete fear and had a face like she just saw a 2 week old corpse..Fuck them

331156 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Thomas_E, 38, #331 of 1362 🔗

I don’t wear one and I have never lost a confrontation with a mask wearer yet. I have either humiliated them with logic or been so coldly aggressive they have scuttled off but that doesn’t mean that is a way in which I enjoy living. Every time I go shopping is a visual reminder that I am pretty much the only person in south Derbyshire with a backbone and that is pretty depressing in itself.

331169 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 29, #332 of 1362 🔗

I agree. It was bad before, but my dread at going shopping has increased due to that idiot saying that non mask-wearers have “blood on their hands”. I too haven’t been bothered other than the teenage door-goon at Tesco trying to give me a mask the other week. I summon my ‘don’t feckin’ mess with me look’ but boy, it’s bloody draining.

331190 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to kh1485, 15, #333 of 1362 🔗

Everyday transactions, which ought to be simple, have become complicated. All part of the plan, I’m afraid.

331340 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 13, #334 of 1362 🔗

I have to say I’ve perfected the Don Corleone stare. If pressed I’m prepared to say the reason I don’t mask is I’m a psychopath and don’t give a shit.

331351 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 10, #335 of 1362 🔗

For heaven’s sake, ignore that cretin. The only ones with blood on their hands are the lockdownista Fascists.

331376 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 8, #336 of 1362 🔗

Trouble is, he has ramped up the aggression factor. Look, I’m a stroppy cow at the best of times but I don’t fancy being in a supermarket car park alone when it is dark if someone starts having a pop at me.

331568 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to kh1485, 5, #337 of 1362 🔗

We need small groups of sceptics to go shopping at the same time. Strength in numbers, without being obviuosly in a group.

331933 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Annie, 2, #338 of 1362 🔗

I agree. Wasn’t that the Slovak premier talking shite about blood because he’s signed up to whatever is going on behind the scenes? It’s wall-to-wall fear porn so I suggest turning off the TV and stop taking any notice of the MSM.

Whether or not they try to bring in the al fresco face-nappy rule here, we don’t need to work ourselves up in advance about it. There’s enough crap going on as it is! All we do is ignore it and continue to be strong. Alan G and I have never worn masks and we never will, short of being wrestled to the ground and forcibly muzzled by army soldiers. We never get any hassle from shoppers and the vast majority of shopkeepers, even in shops we don’t normally go in, don’t even bother to ask us why we are bare-faced (being old and arsey helps!)

There are one or two mentally ill people round here who wear them to walk their bloody dogs miles from another human but, on the plus side, we were out walking this afternoon and only saw one in the whole time we were out and that was on a young bloke driving a car with what looked like black swimming trunk material tied to his face. His bare-faced female passenger was obviously still sane! Lots of people were out walking, many very elderly, and nobody was wearing a mask.

It came on to snow heavily so we wimped out of walking home and took the bus. None of we 3 passengers or the driver was wearing one and it was all jolly, especially when we nearly had to get out and push up the hills! MW

331705 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #339 of 1362 🔗

I am the same…have had a few run ins and beaten them off verbally. Also I have the physique to see them off if they cut up rough. I go out ready for trouble to be honest as it can come out of nowhere. I agree though it does make you feel you are the last remaining human on earth.

331173 ▶▶ Hypatia, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 28, #340 of 1362 🔗

I completely understand how you feel. The thought of masks outside horrifies me. Not to feel the wind, rain or sun on your face, not to breathe the air again! I have an exemption and will continue to use it.
As for being masked in shops (or rather, unmasked) – this used to intimidate me too, but now I think that at least I’m sane, even if the only person in the shop who is. When I see the masked muppets frantically rubbing down their trolley handles before entering the shop, I simply sneer and sail past.
It’s hard to hang on, but I feel I must do it and not give in.
At least we are not alone.

331184 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Hypatia, 14, #341 of 1362 🔗

This has now become the highlight of my week.I ask my wife to do all the trips to the shops so I can find up the scared masses with my unmasked face. Makes me feel superior in every possible way. The security guards just nod at me as they now better not to fuck with me on the mask issue

331246 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 14, #342 of 1362 🔗

Yes it is daunting sometimes BUT go about barefaced with a smile (you are looking after your own health lots of lovely oxygen).

Anyone challenge you, have a few responses ready. Someone mentioned the following last week: “Do you also discriminate against other races and gays or do you just discriminate against the disabled?’

331139 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 30, #343 of 1362 🔗

What a lovely start to the New year..More draconian lockdows, more lying from the MSM and now the shutting of schools..My daughter has been crying the whole morning as she realised she will not be going back to school with her year.She will have a spot with 2 key workers parents but that is basically bullshit..My wife has been getting more and more depressed and asked last night when will it go back to normal again?I said probably never,we are fucked.I just can’t see the bright side anymore..

331141 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #344 of 1362 🔗

I feel you brother.

331355 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #345 of 1362 🔗

I feel for your poor daughter, and for all our betrayed children. Can you arrange a way fir her to see some friends without the snitches finding out?
There us A,WAYS. a bright side. The days are getting longer.Spring will come and the lamp-posts are being refurbished.
STOP MOANING.

331938 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, #346 of 1362 🔗

Halleluia!

331520 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Thomas_E, 9, #347 of 1362 🔗

I’ve had the ‘end of life’ if things get too bad talk with my husband. I would rather die than be dragged out of my home and into a detention camp because I refuse the doom elixir. I’m glad I was young in the 60’s and 70’s and cannot bear to see what my fellow humans are doing by sleepwalking into a miserable future of control. My main fury now is not only with the despicable Govt who see us as farm animals who should be controlled for ‘our own good’ but with the subservient Stasi who applaud them and encourage them. Worse than the compliant collaborators in Nazi Germany.

332065 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mutineer, 1, #348 of 1362 🔗

The informers were hung from lamposts in Hungary in 1956….I am sure many deserved it.

331143 mj, replying to mj, 5, #349 of 1362 🔗

football getting it knickers in a twist over covid resulting in games being cancelled
telegraph reports “The new strain of coronavirus continued to wreak havoc on English football on Friday”. the new strain? really?
“The late decisions following a number of positive Covid-19 tests at City and Fulham angered their opponent s,”
Do we know which tests are used? They never say how many have tested “positive” and whether anyone is actually ill. One would assume it is the usual farcical testing data.

331202 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mj, 5, #350 of 1362 🔗

I guess some people still like to watch football, and footballers have a living to earn, but while most sports are closed at grass roots level I kind of feel like elite sport can just fuck right off – I’m not watching any of it until this madness is over

331227 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to mj, 9, #351 of 1362 🔗

Anything that sees Marcus Rashford out of a job is fine with me

331145 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #352 of 1362 🔗

Another lockdown looks on the cards. Helping us on the way is a study by Imperial College that has concluded the new variant of the virus is a lot more infectious.

Are these the same bods who predicted Covid deaths would now be peaking at 2,000 a day* ?

Only out by a factor of four.

* See:-
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/932316/201031_SPI-M_preparatory_analysis_long_term_scenarios.pdf

331168 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #353 of 1362 🔗

I can’t be any more locked down than I am already unless they nail the doors up. I don’t understand what this threat means.

331196 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 3, #354 of 1362 🔗

#metoo

331151 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 46, #355 of 1362 🔗

Just being given a lecture by some pompous twat who tells me to look on the “bright side and get things into perspective” as I look out upon my empty business premises. Oh go piss off ….

331189 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 15, #356 of 1362 🔗

I remember years ago having just received some devastating news and was hurrying home with what must have been my angst written all across my face. The twat who came out with “Cheer up, love, it may never happen” certainly got a filthy look. Does it never occur to these people that real troubles do happen in people’s lives?

331209 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 3, #357 of 1362 🔗

That’s awful, I would never do that – no-one knows what private hell any of us is going through. After my mum died, I would go to the supermarket at the crack of dawn to avoid people. I had my hood up, scarf on and it was clear that I was in a bad way and didn’t want to engage with anyone. Without fail I would be targeted by this woman who worked there and asked how I was. It took me everything I had not to tell her to “do one”.

331393 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 4, #358 of 1362 🔗

I always hate people who are on the phone while ordering their coffee.
On one occasion I really felt the customer was very rude and I was about to say sth when she told me she had been informed her Dad had died and she had spoken to a friend to get support. Became a regular, lovely woman.

331223 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to WasSteph, 4, #359 of 1362 🔗

I always reply to that ‘It just fucking did’

331198 ▶▶ Julian, replying to kh1485, 14, #360 of 1362 🔗

Stoicism in the face of adversity that you can do nothing about and that is inevitable (e.g. a hurricane, death) is admirable

Stoicism in the face of tyranny and folly is stupid and unhelpful

Sadly I know a lot of people who refuse to engage with scepticism because they don’t want to be seen as “moaners”

331219 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Julian, 7, #361 of 1362 🔗

That is exactly it. All of this was avoidable so I don’t see why I should pretend to be happy at advent of the New Year. All this “oh, what can you do?” mentality is really bloody tiresome.

331248 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 9, #362 of 1362 🔗

Totally agree. Lazy and unimaginative idiots who have not felt any real pain yet have got us in this deep.
I don’t subscribe to the virus is a hoax narrative that some on here do. I know it’s been real but a Sweden or GBD response would have minimised the damage.
I just don’t know what to do anymore. There are only a few MPs with integrity. The rest are moronic or corrupt or both.
I write to Desmond Swayne and Graham Brady from time to time just to thank them. There is absolutely no point in writing to my MP anymore. I just hope she is demoted in the coming reshuffle. It won’t do us any good but I would take a little bit of pleasure in these blighted days.

331290 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 11, #363 of 1362 🔗

“Get things into perspective” – couldn’t agree more, I wish people would! Destroying society over a glorified cold.

331305 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 9, #364 of 1362 🔗

“It’s only temporary” is another favourite. Or the more virtuous sounding “This too shall pass”

Do one.

331324 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #365 of 1362 🔗

He said we needed to employ “positive thinking”. Twat.

331152 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 10, #366 of 1362 🔗

Trust the French. They know how to do it. You don’t break into churches. You do this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55513167

Clearly the public (and certainly the French public) have not been properly “broken in” yet. To this end:

More than 100,000 police officers were deployed across the country to break up parties and enforce the curfew. Officers were instructed to break up underground parties as soon as they were reported, fine participants and identify the organisers.

Realising that the above looks like a memo from Nazi Germany, we need a little bit of justification:

France has recorded more than 2.6 million coronavirus cases and 64,892 deaths since the pandemic began.

So clearly we need far FAR more restricitons. Build a few camps, say?

331161 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to George Mc, 5, #367 of 1362 🔗

BBC were saying some partygoers came from Spain and even Britain, the horror!

331221 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to George Mc, 6, #368 of 1362 🔗

The French Police have not been this enthusiastic since they deported the Jews to the gas chambers

331154 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 5, #369 of 1362 🔗

Here is a great music track to start the year off.. The Police – Every Breath You Take
The Police – Every Breath You Take (Official Video) – YouTube

Enjoy.

332273 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to cloud6, #371 of 1362 🔗

2020, the year of The Swerve, a dance move that swept the nation.

331155 karenovirus, 3, #372 of 1362 🔗

Just took a drive past the medical training and research building at the hospital which is actually part of the University.
It has been repurposed as a Vaccination Station.
The only activity was a Security Guard approaching a lost soul attempting to gain access without using the Assessment Pod.

331159 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #373 of 1362 🔗

I wonder how long we will be told the ‘running total’ of covid-19 deaths.

They didn’t reset to zero for season 2. Will they for year 2?

If this becomes endemic and just 1 of the 5 coronavuiruses which push old people over the edge then we can expect a few tens of thousands of deaths every winter and a running total that in about 10 years time will hit fergusons 500,000

331166 ▶▶ chaos, replying to steve_w, 19, #374 of 1362 🔗

According to the latest SAGE and Ferguson data 9 billion people on the planet will be infected this year. 11 billion of those in the UK alone.

331170 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to chaos, 8, #375 of 1362 🔗

12billion of those uk patients by the new! Improved! MUTANT VIRUS 🦠 ! {woman screams in background as we fade to blackout}

331188 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Skippy, 5, #376 of 1362 🔗

zombies rising from the grave only to be killed (again) by covid-19

I suppose it would be a way to get the numbers up. autopsy showed this patient died 3 times of covid-19. we’ll put that down as ‘3 deaths’

331217 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, 2, #377 of 1362 🔗

Well, they brought them out of their graves to vote in the US election, so I suppose they can do it for the BigV.

331257 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to chaos, #378 of 1362 🔗

😂 😂 😂

331187 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 4, #379 of 1362 🔗

To be fair I suppose you could say the virus became endemic in Feb/March so you’d look at the totals then, and reset them after that. The April/May peak however skews the figures as it was the first year. As you say, after that it will be just one of many things pushing people over the edge (in reality it already is, but the evil people who govern us have decided to pretend that where it is present or might be present it will attributed for headline purposes as the sole cause of death, and they will continue to make out that these deaths are all additional to the norm – most people actually think this is the case.

331207 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 4, #380 of 1362 🔗

You are absolutely right. Most people have absolutely no idea of the relative mortality this past year.

331238 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to RickH, 17, #381 of 1362 🔗

People’s ignorance is astounding. I spoke to a rellie last night who told me, in a sepulchral voice, that her fit and healthy 35-year-old daughter in law had ‘tested positive for It’ . I tried to reassure her, to quote figures, told her she wouldn’t die, etc, but she said something like ”We’ll have to differ on that….”

Really, I think she’d rather see the poor girl snuff it than be proved wrong. The fact that the young woman is a nurse and presumably swathed to the eyeballs in a hazmat suit all day – I’d have liked to have enquired, innocently, just how she contracted it….

You’re right – for some it’s the most exciting thing that’s ever happened in their narrow little lives.

331275 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Banjones, 6, #382 of 1362 🔗

I have friends whose 5 year old had to isolate because someone in her class tested positive. They wore masks round the house!

Needless to say no-one in the family got any symptoms

331297 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 3, #383 of 1362 🔗

My nephew tested positive yesterday. His house is isolating as is his Granny, my mother in law, who he had visited. She’s 75 and a hypochondriac. In tbe doctors or A&E at least once a fortnight. She’s smoked her whole life and has one lung. “Fight to be first in the queue for the vaccine”. She loves medication and the drama it brings to her life it seems.

We’ve told her not to get tested. But she’ll be phoning anyone anyway telling them she thinks she’s got it now and that’s the end for her.

331191 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to steve_w, 4, #384 of 1362 🔗

The mainstream media claims more than 50,000 Brits have died ‘ with ‘ COVID19. But official government data proves only 13,844 people were actually infected by the disease in the whole of 2020.

Breaking: UK Govt’s OWN NUMBERS Expose Their COVID19 Fraud! | Principia Scientific Intl. (principia-scientific.com)

331242 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #385 of 1362 🔗

fascinating. This is the week 52 covid totals (w/e 27/12) taken from these official reports. So this is the total of number of cases where covid has been reported formally as a notifiable disease… and not as a “case” or positive test or anything else. THE TOTAL IS 85.
I repeat. Week 52 ONLY 85 people had covid 19

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-weekly-reports-for-2020

331443 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #386 of 1362 🔗

I have gone through the laborious task of totalling the weekly figures and got a total of 13,986. Either mine is more up-to-date, or I shall have to cast out the 9s.

331195 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steve_w, 5, #387 of 1362 🔗

I was thinking about this during a sleepless night. With all celebrations and cultural and life events effectively banned there is no way to break up the monotony of existence and mark the passage of time in positive ways. Perhaps WHO have changed the definition of a year, or abolished the very concept – they are gradually redefining everything else. Years will be replaced with a unit of a time related to the requisite number of deaths, as you suggest.

331239 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Charlie Blue, #388 of 1362 🔗

Oh dear.

332275 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Charlie Blue, #389 of 1362 🔗

Change the names of the months as well.

331176 CaptainG, replying to CaptainG, 22, #390 of 1362 🔗

Freddie Attenborough on the psychology of control is very interesting and makes a lot of good points. The Stazi government, civil service, academia, education and health services could not be nearly so effective were it not for the legions of control freaks in the general population who must feel their Christmases have all come at once with Covid giving them a role of moral enforcement they could only have dreamed about previously. Re are millions of them and most of us have one or two in our own family. Also very valid about the intellectual class hatred for the working class. Does take the form of revenge for Brexit in the UK, but I wouldn’t focus in that too much- I live in Slovakia and it is exactly the same here, and indeed no doubt throughout Europe. We should always look at the global picture not on parochial explanations or conditions- this catastrophe is happening world-wide.

331179 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to CaptainG, 1, #391 of 1362 🔗

Whereabouts in Slovakia are you? I am actually quite surprised at how bad things seem to be there.

331302 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #392 of 1362 🔗

I met a chap who was trapped in Slovakia for three months in spring, no compla6as he has a business and accommodation there.
He told they had gone uber lockdown from day one including wrapping tea towels round their faces sans proper mask an so the Covid was not particularly hard hitting.
From what I learned here I told him that it would be more severe when it made its seasonal revisit.

331201 ▶▶ RickH, replying to CaptainG, 6, #393 of 1362 🔗

The attempt to link Brexit to the Covid fanatics is just plain dim – the sort of partisan Mickey Mouse politics that will undermine opposition to the current imposition of a police state.

Some of the most fanatical supporters of Covid mania and government incompetence are also fanatical Brexiteers (see ‘government’)

331322 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to RickH, 1, #394 of 1362 🔗

screams out for data, eg a poll by Lord Ashcroft, doesn’t it? My gut tells me Lockdown zealotry aligns closely with other submission-porn like EU membership, but this, no more than anecdote, is not data.

331341 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TyRade, 4, #395 of 1362 🔗

One simple fact : this shit show was devised by a Brexit government of a Brexit party.

Also a big difference : Brexit was supported by a minority of the electorate; Covid measures look to be supported by a majority.

The common factor between the two is that the majority of the MSM campaigned for both.

331358 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #396 of 1362 🔗

Brexit was supported by a win amongst those who could be bothered to actually vote. Much like every “democratic” government we’ve ever had.

But you knew that.

331363 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, 1, #397 of 1362 🔗

you are riding you hobby horse again . !!!!!

331178 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 28, #398 of 1362 🔗

Belated best New Year wishes to everyone here, both above and below the line, for all the information and encouragement. Special thanks to those who have the skills, and take the time, to do technical analysis (and those with the energy and courage to use this info in the mad ‘outside world’), and thanks to those who provide humorous contributions (some very funny – I enjoyed Del-Boy yesterday and the Welsh shed carpet bombing a while back), as we all need cheering up.

Let’s discuss our differences in a productive way. I myself feel a bit ‘politically homeless’. The terms left and right do of course have content, but let’s not be too attached to them. Maybe some new (anti-technocratic?) political constellations may arise. Like many, I have drifted toward more ‘conspiratorial’ views over the year. I am afraid incompetence and corruption no longer explain it all for me, though I far from sure exactly what to make of it all and even pretty uncomfortable with some of things I am now inclined to believe. In any case, the wider context is important. But for those who wish to keep a narrow focus, that is also a valid tactical stance and should be respected.

We are going to need a lot of positive energy this year. So, let’s not forget what keeps us united: a determination to show that lockdowns are not a ‘good thing’. I guess pretty much everyone here is also against mandatory or coerced vaccinations, and that will another big battle ahead.

I have also been pretty down a lot of this last year (I would even say almost mentally paralysed by shock at times), but things are not hopeless and I am sure there is a lot we can still achieve. Let’s also be patient with those who are still to be persuaded. The real zealots may not be liable to reasonable argument, but I think there are many good people who are still bewitched by the propaganda. There is hope for them. So, here’s wishing everyone the strength to stay positive.

PS. The best website I know for positive energy on fighting all this madness (apart from this one of course) is unfortunately in German at Rubikon.

331205 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #399 of 1362 🔗

Google ‘translate’ deals with that problem! It seems very interesting – I’ll take a look.

331287 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Banjones, 4, #400 of 1362 🔗

One reason I have a particular soft spot for Rubikon is that they are one of the few people on the ‘left’ who are speaking out on this. Old-style humanist left I would describe them. Would be interested to know what Silke David thinks.

331408 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #401 of 1362 🔗

I will check them out. Came across them at the beginning, but as there are so many German websites and media channels, I had to make some choices.

331213 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 4, #402 of 1362 🔗

Reminder

The carpet bombing of Wales commences on the 4th

Stay Safe

331456 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #403 of 1362 🔗

Thanks for the suggestion. I desperately need some positivity.

331185 mikec, replying to mikec, 31, #404 of 1362 🔗

So now we know the Great Buffoons plan, vaccinate 4-5 million of the vulnerable by late February/early March and then slowly wind back the PCR cycles until Covid ‘disappears’. We’ll soon be back to old people dying from influenza, sepsis and pneumonia and all will be well. The middle classes will be able to come out of hiding just in time to see the working classes losing their jobs, the seasonal London evacuation will occur – “Allegra check if the Tesla is charged and we’ll pop to Tuscany to recover from the last 18mths”.

Have a wonderful 2021.

331250 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mikec, 11, #405 of 1362 🔗

That won’t happen. Pubs are done. Local businesses will have handed everything over to Amazon, exam’s cancelled for kids again, probably some kind of financial reset on the way.

331319 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #406 of 1362 🔗

It they haven’t planned one then it’s coming anyway.You can’t close the economy down for a year and print money to fill the gap without massive consequences.

331252 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mikec, 2, #407 of 1362 🔗

I think your comment is a tad optimistic, but thanks for your good wishes.

331259 ▶▶ jb12, replying to mikec, 1, #408 of 1362 🔗

Haha. Funny.

331266 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to mikec, #409 of 1362 🔗

But where will Allegra get her skinny latte?

331276 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mikec, 1, #410 of 1362 🔗

Sadly I think your prediction is wildly optimistic

331284 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to mikec, 2, #411 of 1362 🔗

Or gradually switch from PCR to LF testing. That switch sorted out the student problem in December. But this scenario doesn’t fit the mass control agenda.

331304 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mikec, 1, #412 of 1362 🔗

Apparently the testing of children is senior schools will be done using a lateral flow test, when the child tests positive they will then have to undergo a PCR test — not sure what the reasoning for this is….

331192 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #413 of 1362 🔗

During the spring peak in Europe most of the graphs made sense in a pandemic. Clearly defined peak and the corresponding slope. The current seasonal peak will be showing no corelation with an actual epidemic curve. This is due to mass testing with unreliable PCR tests, perhaps partly switching over to LFT, different expansion of testing for different regions, in short a total mess. Look at seasonal wave below in Czechia.

They didn’t have a spring peak as travel restrictions initially halted the first seeding. However, many persons travelled over to Germany legally to work in that country’s care homes ,hospitals and essential services. They probably reintroduced the virus at a low level when they celebrated in Prague in the summer that they were virus free after the first April lockdown incl.masks. They opened up but virus came back this autumn again masks, lock down meaningless as usual.And the only reliable statistics for the seasonal wave will be the excess deaths.

331229 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #414 of 1362 🔗

Same in Slovakia. Note that cases have diverged from the UK now, almost certainly due to their switch to lateral flow

331235 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #415 of 1362 🔗

And to demonstrate how different testing regimes have such a huge impact on case count compare Northern Ireland with the Republic. I live on the border and the communities are very mixed, the border doesn’t exist. So it makes no sense that an arbitrary administration line could have such an impact on spread of a virus. Rather, they just count differently, my guess is lower CTs in the Republic

331293 ▶▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #416 of 1362 🔗

would this be a hard COVID border then, part of the Brexit deal?

331295 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #417 of 1362 🔗

The virus did not sign up to The Good Friday Agreement

331392 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #418 of 1362 🔗

These figures didn’t stop the Republic going into another full lockdown.Lockdowns are political and being driven from somewhere other than National governments.

331326 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 4, #419 of 1362 🔗

Current UK curve of mortality is absolutely consistent with normal seasonal rise. Well within max/min limits. Not a ‘second wave’ by any stretch – just endemic.

331203 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 10, #420 of 1362 🔗

If Freddie Attenborough thinks Professor Van Tam supported Jeremy Corbyn, perhaps you had better find a white coat for him. Can you please stop this Right-Left nonsense? Your arguments lose all their power when you go down this divisive route!!!

331218 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bungle, 6, #421 of 1362 🔗

Absolutely – this site damages itself with unserious nonsense items like that banging a partisan drum.

331263 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bungle, 4, #422 of 1362 🔗

Indeed, it’s just right and wrong now.

331384 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Bungle, 8, #423 of 1362 🔗

If you are going to repeatedly spam this nagging of Toby to change his website to suit your personal political tastes rather than his, I suppose I’ll repeat my reply to it.

Left and right are just useful short-hands for broad attitude groups in human society, and particular political and social positions that arise out of them. Those like you who claim to dislike their use are rarely, in my experience, averse to their own side’s politically partisan polemic.

It’s debatable whether this coronapanic can or should be addressed in isolation. It arose out of global politics and cultural developments which had their own reflections in the changes in this nation over the past few decades. Imo it’s rather silly to try to understand it outside of that context.

But regardless, if there is a case for sites that focus tightly and solely on resistance to the coronapanic to the exclusion of all context, it is clearly not the function of this site, despite the name, this is Toby Young’s personal blog, and he has never been averse to introducing other issues atl, nor has he ever required commenters btl to restrict their discussions in that way.

I give you the advice I follow myself in regard to the expression of opinions that I dislike: ignore them or engage with them. Removing or censoring them should not be an option even for consideration.

But I recognise that this is unlikely to appeal to you. Since you self-identify above [in the first iteration of the nagging] as in sympathy with the pc and “woke” plague that has bedevilled and corrupted our society and politics for decades, you are clearly inclined to the other approach – censorship and firm supression and exclusion of dissenting opinion.

Hopefully, since Toby is the founder of the Free Speech Union – created specifically to address the problems caused in our societies by your attitudes – and has personal experience of the vicious nastiness of those you identify with when dealing with disagreement, you will never have the kind of power to suppress dissent here that your fellow wokesters have acquired in most mainstream forums.

I will fight by your side wherever you are fighting the coronapanic in all its manifestations, but I have no illusions that, given the power to do so, you would not have people (including me if I stand up for them) censored, sacked, and quite possibly imprisoned and forcibly “reeducated”, for expressing opinions you regard as unacceptable. That’s what “woke” is all about. If that is not you, then you should not claim to support it.

331208 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #424 of 1362 🔗

Please notice the idea of the svhools being closed is preposterous, just because the government says they are closed and the gates locked our wigged judges will no doubt find they are open and attendance quite possible.

Been here before haven’t we. Its all a merrigoround from the self selecting entitled scum, the untrustables.

331224 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 11, #425 of 1362 🔗

Schools will reopen but the price will be national tier 5, lockdown 1 repeated in all but name thus avoiding Parliamentary scrutiny.
This will have been the plan for some time, they are playing games in the media and taking us for fools.

331243 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 6, #426 of 1362 🔗

By the amount of mask wearers even in the open air, we are willing fools too!

331301 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 13, #427 of 1362 🔗

Remember when Whitty said we could either have pubs or schools.Now we have neither.

332276 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #428 of 1362 🔗

They are the fools.

331225 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 3, #429 of 1362 🔗

Great post!!

How can we fight this? Are their organisations that are fighting this?

331261 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Basics, 5, #430 of 1362 🔗

One of the enormous problems we face is that the technocratic form of government is set up so that no one in the end is actually responsible for anything. Clear in the case of the closed/open schools legal case.

And also in the scandal that know one even really knows what Ct rate is being used in the PCR tests. And no one is held responsible for the deliberate creation of false positives.

There has to be political will to change this. It is also a broader social phenomenon. In business the ‘agile’ management theory serves to dissolve responsibility and promote mutual social control.

331279 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 8, #431 of 1362 🔗

Yes, it’s glorious. No checks and balances, and no accountability either. We have total centralisation, but the buck stops nowhere.

331212 Stephen Priest, 11, #432 of 1362 🔗

Ivor Cummins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdKkZLqhmDM&list=WL&index=200

We have now entered a phase of further lockdown mania, even though vast majority of analyses show that lockdown does not move the mortality needle. Dr. Hope-Simpson’s stunning book

331214 karenovirus, 13, #433 of 1362 🔗

All the big stores are up in the T3 city High Street, they are open but not busy.
On my local high street half the many independent shops are closed, including the family run butcher.
I had to check that it really is 10.30 am on a Saturday.
These people have put themselves into T4.

331226 RickH, replying to RickH, 25, #434 of 1362 🔗

I think that the senseless reverse ferret on the opening of schools does indeed show that sheer directionless incompetence does indeed play a major part in what is going on.

331234 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RickH, 12, #435 of 1362 🔗

There is no one in authority with any common sense or a brain in full working order! Every day is chaos, it’s unrelenting.

331256 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bella Donna, 15, #436 of 1362 🔗

I wouldn’t be surprised if the ”chaos” is also planned. It keeps everyone guessing, off balance, worried, concerned, confused, unable to live life in an orderly way. What’s not to like?

331271 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Banjones, 3, #437 of 1362 🔗

Yes, broken promises and disappointed expectations are not necessarily evidence of incompetence. It’s not as if we are in a position to hold the regime or any of its members accountable. And that’s the point that is being constantly rubbed in – our impotence.

331294 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ovis, 29, #438 of 1362 🔗

It’s not incompetence it’s a coup.
The government is steadily consolidating its power.
They have cancelled Christmas and New year and placed the whole country in another rebranded lockdown until we consent to an experimental potion,with some vague promise that this will be over by Easter.
By seeing incompetence we are blinding ourselves to the true reality.We have a government of occupation declaring economic and psychological war on the population.

331460 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #439 of 1362 🔗

An example being the way in which road crews came back out after three weeks into lockdown but, instead of completing the roadworks they had abandoned, they were set to work implementing numerous road closures, bus and cycle lanes under the guise of enhancing social distancing.

Those proposals had all been on the books for years but our elected representatives refused to vote them in for budgetary reasons.
The unelected council officers pushed them through while the councillors shielded at home.

As you say, a coup.

331449 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Banjones, 1, #440 of 1362 🔗

All part of brainwashing techniques.

331262 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, 9, #441 of 1362 🔗

The government will basically go with whatever the loudest voices are saying. As soon as we are in a majority (or close), this all ends.

331463 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, #442 of 1362 🔗

We only need to be a third, at which point the uncommitted will jump ship.

331278 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 10, #443 of 1362 🔗

The closure of the schools just heightens the sense of emergency that the government is trying to create to ensure vaccine uptake.

331365 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #444 of 1362 🔗

Good point. The vaccine has to be so successful that the government can claim it has beaten the virus and life can return to normal.

If there is anything less, the government has failed and it cannot be seen to have done that.

This is a hole they have dug themselves and it will be clear that if this plan to have a vaccine is everything then it really must deliver everything.

We have to turn this narrative around to our favour. Agree with any vaccine zealots saying it’s great, can’t wait, life back to normal etc. If they say life can’t etc, then say the vaccine is a failure and the government has failed us.. They can’t disagree then :>)

331370 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Simon, 11, #445 of 1362 🔗

They want everybody to have the vaccine so they can tie it to a health passport.The government have no intention of ever letting us go to back to January 2020 normal.The sooner everyone understands this the better.

331483 ▶▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to jonathan Palmer, #446 of 1362 🔗

If the helath passport is normal then it again has to be 100% normal, or again another failure…

There are alternative copuntires that will do normal better. Like China for example…

331231 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 12, #447 of 1362 🔗

Senior German public health official, Karl Lauterbach, puts forward the idea that lockdowns have been such a success in fighting the virus that they should now be used for fighting the ‘climate emergency’. As far as I know, this is the first time this has been said so clearly out loud by an actual official.

Wouldn’t it be interesting to know how many members of SAG are ‘climate emergency’ fanatics.

Language is key, and there has been a strong growth in the ‘climate emergency’ rhetoric. And ’emergencies’ are what you need to push through an agenda. The switch in rhetoric from ‘environment’ to ‘climate’ is also significant, I think.

And I am no climate change denier (any more than I am a Covid-denier). But I think it is being overplayed in a similar way. I am beginning to wonder if the ‘science’ behind the official climate change line is similar to that behind the official Covid line.

Life-long environmentalist. Never had a car, always used the train. Now, because of these damnable masks, may for the first time switch to car. (And I know that, because of the masks, there has already been a massive switch from train to car here in CH.)

https://www.tichyseinblick.de/daili-es-sentials/ein-ungeheuerlicher-satz-von-karl-lauterbach/

331280 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 3, #448 of 1362 🔗

Interesting – The W.H.O. are increasingly linking the “climate emergency” as a prerequisite for resolving the COVID pandemic and future pandemics. COVID control measures could easily morph into climate control measures sadly.

331286 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 3, #449 of 1362 🔗

I take climate change seriously (I don’t mention it on this forum) but there is no scientific method of reducing the actual amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere on a timescale meaningful to a human life. Residence time of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is measured in hundreds of years and all that “renewable energy” does is burn off a lot of fossil energy to produce turbines and solar farms etc. Lockdowns reduce the amount of extra gases being pumped into the atmosphere, but the gases are being added.

331336 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Londo Mollari, 14, #450 of 1362 🔗

I too take climate change seriously, but I am a sceptic about the climate change movement. As a geologist, I know that the climate is always changing. The problem now is that it is more difficult for the natural world to adapt. Previously, species would migrate and adapt, or go extinct. But today, species cannot migrate so easily as mankind takes too much room, and extinction is viewed as a disaster rather than a natural response.
There are many parallels between the covid crisis and the climate crisis.
Both have modelling at their heart, modelling that is provably wrong in its predictions.
Both have serious real money implications – big pharma with covid, the alternative energy sector with climate. I get sent all sorts of investment advice about how to invest in the new industry – it’s like an oil rush on steroids.
For both, the ‘cure’ is worse than the problem. For climate, we are going to give up cars, decent cheap heating etc to save a few tons of CO2.
Both cures will destroy our economy.
Both have an army of dedicated zealots to promote their cause, who do not seem to need to have a ‘proper’ job.
I’m sure there are many more.
Meanwhile, environmental degradation continues apace, and it takes second place behind the push to decarbonise the world.

331613 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Felice, 2, #451 of 1362 🔗

I agree that climate is always changing but it is changing more quickly than ever before and this may cause a problem with the life on this planet being unable to adapt. Insects have been disappearing for a long time – for other reasons – and there was a 76% drop in insect biomass in a protected area of Germany between 1989 and 2016. That confirms my own observations. A car journey in the 1980s would mean I would have to scrape the dead bugs off the windscreen. Not now. No insects means no life further up the food chain.

Maybe the rulers of this world think that depopulation is the only answer.

332550 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Felice, #452 of 1362 🔗

The hypocrisy of these nefarious pricks flying about in their private jets won’t change either.

Although they’ve certainly convinced me of one thing – the population could definitely do with a little culling, just not in the direction they have in mind.

332282 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #453 of 1362 🔗

Why is a public health official pimping for climate emergency bs? Because they are both phony causes.

331232 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #454 of 1362 🔗

Who is running this country because its not the Clown in No. 10? It seems its really the Unions and Bill Gates in which case we never vote for either of them!

331245 ▶▶ John001, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #455 of 1362 🔗

No unions left, except on the railways.
That makes the answer even easier.

331265 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to John001, 6, #456 of 1362 🔗

Public sector unions are still powerful.

331440 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #457 of 1362 🔗

Let them strike, who would notice ? Jim Hacker got it right in the vid at the end of the above the line main article.

331270 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #458 of 1362 🔗

The Clown could end it, if he had the guts

He’d come under pressure, for sure, but he has a large majority and a long mandate

The main threat may come from the pro-lockdown MPs on his own side

331274 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #459 of 1362 🔗

No. It’s the Clown in Number 10, and his mates.

The Unions are playing the political game, whilst the Clown chooses to elevate Gates.

331339 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #460 of 1362 🔗

Of course it’s transparently obvious that the union leaderships’ criticisms of the government are what they’ve have always been – not locking down and panicking hard enough or quickly enough or efficiently enough.

But that doesn’t fit your personal fantasy of a “right wing driven” panic, so you ignore that aspect of reality.

331353 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #461 of 1362 🔗

I don’t ignore it at all. Your own dominant prejudice has obviously blinded you to my comment about playing politics.

Unions are a fact of social life. Get over it.

331369 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #462 of 1362 🔗

Your comment was clearly pushing your fantasy about the government driving the panic and the unions/left responding (“just playing politics”). In reality, the unions and left are among the worst for pushing in the wrong direction, and the “playing politics” that they undoubtedly do is just the tactics they use.

331382 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 7, #463 of 1362 🔗

The government are driving the panic.Mutant strain anyone.The unions are just behaving in their usual idiotic way.Remember when we had a car industry etc.
We should stop playing the governments game of divide and rule.This transcends left or right.
Dictatorship or freedom that is our battle.

331400 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #464 of 1362 🔗

No, the government are not “driving the panic” in the sense of being the prime motivating force. That force is coming from institutions, groups and individuals across society.

The government have indeed been part of the driving of the panic, and clearly the sheer power of the modern big state.means that their siding with the panic made a huge difference. If the power of the state to push propaganda and manipulate behaviour had been turned in the other direction, it’s likely attitudes would have been very different.

The reality, though, is that the plan was to follow the traditional Swedish route, until they were panicked out of it in Feb/March. We all watched that happen The driving forces were extremely broadly based, and clearly included particular influential insiders in the government (some we know of such as Cummings and doubtless others as well).

And the same mechanic plays out tactically as well. The government is not “driving” the closure of schools, it is responding to pressure. That’s what weak governments have always done.

331552 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 5, #465 of 1362 🔗

The government have driven the panic since the Boris speech on March 13.Also the leaked letter from Spi B about ramping the fear up.The media are their paid accomplices.4000
Deaths a day,Mutant strain.The list is endless.That is not to say Covid hysteria hasnt taken on a dynamic of its own.
The unions despite being idiotic in the long term prospects for their members are behaving rationally in response to the government fear mongering.If it is really as dangerous as the government claims why should their members go to work.
As for a weak government this is the most powerful and authoritarian regime we have ever had.Cancelling Christmas and New year celebrations and locking up the populace indefinitely for the 3rd time are not the actions of a weak government.

331650 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jonathan Palmer, -1, #466 of 1362 🔗

Tactically, government decisions have driven events, because they are such a big player, but because they are personally weak they have allowed themselves to be pushed. They were pushed in March and they are still being pushed. That is what is meant by saying they are weak – morally weak, regardless of their theoretical power to do things.

And the unions, like the Labour Party hierarchy, were panickers long before the government got into the fearmongering business.

331728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, #467 of 1362 🔗

They only allow themselves to be pushed in the direction of more lockdowns and restrictions.I agree that this government is weak in the sense it has nothing to back up its edicts.The army and police are not up to the job.Any serious pushback would force the government to back down.Alas there is no sign of that from a demoralised populace.

332284 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to jonathan Palmer, #468 of 1362 🔗

The German government got together and decided to ramp the fear up way back in March. Listen to Delingpole’s interview with Dr. Antony Mueller.

331444 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark, 4, #469 of 1362 🔗

Ben Bradshaw MP, Labour, Exeter on lockdown 2 (lite)
‘These measures come too late and do not go far enough so it is with a heavy heart that I will vote for them today’.

Opposition Tosser.

331457 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to karenovirus, #470 of 1362 🔗

“Opposition” tosser. Enabling a “Conservative” government.

331329 ▶▶ alw, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #471 of 1362 🔗

It also has Gove’s fingers all over it.

331233 alw, replying to alw, 6, #472 of 1362 🔗

The vaccine farce continues. Confirms what Dr friends and family are saying.

331240 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alw, 9, #473 of 1362 🔗

Imagine you’d actually been vaccinated and were told this – you’d feel well pissed off

331247 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Julian, 8, #474 of 1362 🔗

Especially if you had trumpeted your virtue loud and long.

331272 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dame Lynet, 7, #475 of 1362 🔗

Announced just after Margaret Keenan got hers of course. Too high profile not to.

What about the celebs who announced they’d got it? They will no doubt be happy to do whatever they are directed to

331430 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, 2, #476 of 1362 🔗

Half vaccinated with a vaccine that isn’t a vaccine.

331244 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to alw, 16, #477 of 1362 🔗

They should now start questioning the entire shitshow, if they weren’t already. Anyone not doing so now is lost.

331264 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to alw, 11, #478 of 1362 🔗

That well known clinical expert Tony Blair recommenced this course of action.
When you have a computer mogul dictating World health policy it doesn’t even register as unusual.

331897 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to alw, #479 of 1362 🔗

I’m no expert but if only the 2nd shot provides ‘immunity’ (yes, I know that’s questionable!), then isn’t it possible that the virus on coming into contact with those that are only ‘partially immune’ from having only the first shot, is more likely to mutate to become resistant to the vaccine?

331237 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 25, #480 of 1362 🔗

Dear NHS

A genuine question.

The NHS employs around 1.3 million staff of whom around 680,000 are professionally qualified clinical staff.

It has an operating budget of around £201.7 billion in 2020/21 (which includes an additional £52bn of funding in 2020/21 for Covid-19).

As at February 2020, there were 4,122 adult critical care beds available in the NHS in England.

The WHO declared COVID-19 as a ‘pandemic’ on 12 March 2020.

In the 295 days since then, why has it not been possible for an organisation which employs 1.3 million people and has an operating budget this year of £201.7 billion to have increased its adult critical care bed capacity to meet current needs?

Yours sincerely

331249 ▶▶ leggy, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 12, #481 of 1362 🔗

I’d suggest because having “overwhelmed” hospitals is paramount to imposing lockdowns on an unsuspecting public. Call me a cynic…

331255 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to leggy, 7, #482 of 1362 🔗

Can I call you a reasonably perceptive, sensible bloke instead?

331420 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to leggy, 4, #483 of 1362 🔗

That’s exactly the reason why. It’s the excuse they will use to impose national tier 5 as the price for reopening the schools in just over a weeks time.

These pigs are so predictable.

331260 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #484 of 1362 🔗

Mmm. Excellent points!

331288 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 7, #485 of 1362 🔗

Dear Sir or Madam

Thank you for your letter. Here at the NHS public health is our number one priority

With this in mind this year we have reduced the number of critical care beds

Enjoy

Yours lovingly

Gething Matt

(No, that is not a paint)

331379 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Cecil B, 2, #486 of 1362 🔗

🙂

331425 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 1, #487 of 1362 🔗

“Public Health is our priority. . .”
Is the root of the problem, SAGE regard their cogitations about Public Health to be more important than your health or mine.

331320 ▶▶ alw, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #488 of 1362 🔗

They haven’t been able to do this because they have increased the space between beds because of the virus. The virus should spell the end of large wards but bet it won’t.

331333 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 9, #489 of 1362 🔗

I have seen with my own eyes that my local ‘super-hospital’ was completely empty on the two occasions I had to visit (for them to misdiagnose my agonising shingles both times). Since then we’ve seen videos proving what I have been saying – that the hospitals are empty – and now guarded by police.

On my visits (during the peek of this scam, in April) I saw one single person being assured he didn’t have Covid-19, the other hand full of people were there, like me, because they could not visit the GP for general illnesses.

The staff congregated, chatting and pointing out stuff on their mobile phones. The nurses and doctors dealing with me waltzed around leisurely like they were winding down for holiday.

The question has to be asked: how long can the NHS justify employing all these people that have got nothing to do while the public is scared off from using its service?

331417 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to J4mes, 4, #490 of 1362 🔗

In Germany hospitals have to make staff redundant and are financially struggling as they do not have enough “ordinary” patients therefor no income.
I guess state funded NHS just gets more money, whereas in Germany hospitals are a business.

331427 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Silke David, 3, #491 of 1362 🔗

Shocking!

Very expensive to make anyone redundant in Europe. So they make them redundant on big packages only to rehire them a few months later.

I have seen this so often – such a waste of money in any industry

331429 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Silke David, 1, #492 of 1362 🔗

I thought Germany had an insurance based model with big business actually picking up the bill.

331437 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 2, #493 of 1362 🔗

Employers and employees pay into their health insurer of choice. The hospitals get paid by the health insurer for every patient and the procedures.
No patients – no income.

331241 Kelly, 1, #494 of 1362 🔗

Subject: RE: [EXT] Normal range for cT in RT PCR

Dear Brian,

WHO’s guidance on how diagnostic testing can be found here https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/diagnostic-testing-for-sars-cov-2

Ct values vary from assay to assay and from lab to lab. Therefore there is no one set Ct value that is applicable across all settings.

Best regards,
Anita

Anita Sands
Incidents and Substandard/Falsified Medical Products (ISF)
Regulation and Safety
World Health Organization
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Was wondering if this is why we have a ‘ casedemic’ Are the labs checking each batch when they vary their sources to check the correct Ct for diagnosing a positive ??

331269 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 5, #495 of 1362 🔗

Regarding the Marxist Fist, it has always struck me as inappropriate for that ‘Free Speech Union’ poster on this site to use this same awful symbol. Considering it is cultural Marxism that is crushing freedom of speech, to use this symbol to promote freedom of speech is completely bonkers.

331277 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to J4mes, 2, #496 of 1362 🔗

It’s so widespread to try and put it down to cultural Marxism is a bit narrow?

331299 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #497 of 1362 🔗

I don’t understand your point. It is the Marxist Fist symbol – does that not narrow it down in itself? Political Correctness, the mechanism used since Tony Blair to crush freedom of speech (amongst our other freedoms) is cultural Marxism. Do some research.

331542 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to J4mes, 2, #498 of 1362 🔗

So when they deploy these things do you think it’s a case of them doing so from a cultural Marxist playbook? Is it just case that it works to enhance their control, and the actual symbolism of it or ideological context seems secondary to just wanting to rule.

I may be wrong but the goal is technocracy and the means may well be imbued with such symbols but does that mean they have a Marxist Utopia in mind?

331332 ▶▶ Mark, replying to J4mes, 2, #499 of 1362 🔗

On the other hand, you could see that as a nice piece of visual irony…..

I suspect the thinking might have been that it’s a well established symbol of mass resistance (real or supposed).

332289 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Mark, #500 of 1362 🔗

Black athletes in the 1968 Olympics raised their firsts in the air during their award ceremony. All kinds of people raise their fists in the air to signal defiance or victory. Perhaps they should change it to Churchill’s V for Victory sign?

331283 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #501 of 1362 🔗

oh dear

zoe covid app, after showing symptomatics looking like levelling off. is now accelerating (a bit). I suspect the SAGE will now look closely at this data rather than ignoring it when it doesn’t tell the right story

mind you, a lot will be misallocated hangovers

331292 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #502 of 1362 🔗

just to put it in perspective. zoe app says 670,000 (20-69 year olds) currently have symptomatic covid-19. The same app said 2.2 million in the March peak. Still sweeping up the leftovers from the summer suppressed spring wave

331397 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to steve_w, 4, #503 of 1362 🔗

Or they are just experience the usual winter stuff. FFS do people have no memories of other winters or do they all believe a sneeze or runny nose is covi Misses out the D as 99% don’t even have the disease

331423 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Andrew K, 2, #504 of 1362 🔗

A big ZOE flaw is recognition of about 20 symptoms when it should really be 4.

331544 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 1, #505 of 1362 🔗

So we should therefore read it as overstating the reality of things?

331424 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Andrew K, 2, #506 of 1362 🔗

I expect its is picking up a lot of colds. after all, if we could determine covid-19 from an online survey we could save a lot of money!

331459 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 1, #507 of 1362 🔗

Flu might be in there as well.

331285 iane, 2, #508 of 1362 🔗

Oh no, my stupidometer has just over-loaded!

331289 Sam Vimes, 10, #509 of 1362 🔗

Aieee! Brand new deadly strain discovered! Oh, hang on, that’s next Tuesday, silly me.

331303 Simon, replying to Simon, 15, #510 of 1362 🔗

With all of us on here suffering one way or another, maybe it’s time to use our nhs, I mean ncs… and ask for a doctors appointment.

I have a diagnosis on record of depression with anxiety, not that you’d know that if you met me. But, it’s a contribution to the statistics. They can’t read but they can count said Peter Hitchens.

I’m going to be making a call next week and telling them that my anxiety is rising and negative thoughts are reappearing (it’s true). I have a legitimate mask exemption anyway, but I live in the West Midlands and the stasi round here make the news regularly. I won’t wear a lanyard either, why advertise.

If you feel like me in any way having a diagnosis on record will help you, and let’s face it, some of the comments here show people have symptoms like mine. So when it comes to any legal challenges and the compensation you will be due from and individual that decides they are above the law you have all the right things in place. The more people who stand their ground when chellenged, by store workers, individuals, or better still the police the better. Slowly they will lose and will be seen to lose publicly. Compliant sorts that are going along with it to avoid the hassle might see that enforcement is breaking down and join in.

We can’t fight the government, but individuals maybe. The harshest of zealots will soon stop hassling people after a nice fine. Any compensations payments could come in handy as business has been destroyed and would help to pay the rent…

If you don’t have any legitimate reason just calmly tell them to fuck off. Might be just as much fun, if less financially lucrative…

331415 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Simon, 1, #511 of 1362 🔗

Didn’t catch it all but BBC R2 news today had something about 60% rise in prescriptions for antidepressants in August-September.
Another cohort hooked on benzos.

331454 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 2, #512 of 1362 🔗

And a few more billions for BigPharma. It’s a win-win for them.

331573 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to karenovirus, 1, #513 of 1362 🔗

Probably SSRI’s to be fair, but they’re even more costly!

331307 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #514 of 1362 🔗

Dover to Belarus by car

21 hours

1,300 miles

331312 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cecil B, 4, #515 of 1362 🔗

One giant leap for mankind

331381 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cecil B, 1, #516 of 1362 🔗

Where do I go to first?

331432 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, 2, #517 of 1362 🔗

Poland has apparently made crossing their country difficult.
Kai Stuht, activist from Germany, tried to go via Denmark and the bridge to Sweden. No.
They do not allow that, he had to take the ferry from Kiel, Germany to Goeteborg. Makes Sense?
Anyway, the other option was to drive to a Baltic State, but he had heard Poland is making transit through their country difficult.
Soon we will hide in HGVs

331596 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cecil B, 3, #518 of 1362 🔗

Shows where we are when you need to escape to Belarus to get more freedom.

331316 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 10, #519 of 1362 🔗

ONS all cause mortality data almost always shows the second recorded week of January as having the peak. Usually weekending 11th or 12th or so.

So, only 10 days to go then we can hope for the start of the seasonal decline. Keep taking your vitamin D and get out in the sunshine! The end is in sight

331362 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 4, #520 of 1362 🔗

Good point. Worth adding that all is within normal parameters to this point.

331419 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 1, #521 of 1362 🔗

yes, if we ignore the spring peak there is little to see. above 5 year average a little but then the NHS has been closed and people have been locked in their houses. I’m surprised its not higher. certainly there’s no evidence we are in a pandemic

I raised this with a centrist friend of mine and he said ‘but thats with lockdown, imagine if we didn’t’ – I just sent the graph of sweden overlaid with UK first wave. not a lot else to add

331442 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to steve_w, 1, #522 of 1362 🔗

I mentioned on here before, I live opposite a funeral home.
Last year they were very busy first 10 days of the year. Out every day, sometimes even twice.

331321 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #523 of 1362 🔗

So the fella (Professor Hugh Montgomery) who said those that didn’t wear masks had blood on their hands , formed a medical supplies company called Panthair Ltd, in January 2020.

Wonder if ‘medical supplies’ include PPE?

https://twitter.com/garethicke/status/1345051193865859073

331357 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 3, #524 of 1362 🔗

That will give the virus a nice long time to become resistant to the snake oil.

331323 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 11, #525 of 1362 🔗

Good on the French (and any British and Spanish who were there). This is what we need more of – mass defiance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55513167

331344 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Chicot, 2, #526 of 1362 🔗

Yes, but the police still shut it down. It was a victory for only a few hours.

331349 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Felice, 1, #527 of 1362 🔗

Isn’t it still going on?

331360 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Felice, 2, #528 of 1362 🔗

It started on New Years Eve so it went on a lot longer than a few hours, though not sadly until Tuesday as intended.

331327 Jo, replying to Jo, 43, #529 of 1362 🔗

I note the post earlier on about face masks outside. Since yesterday, this has dominated my thoughts as I had a discussion with my friend at the river and he told me two of the local residents (whom I have know for over 30 years) were walking along the Thames path both wearing masks. He made a jokey comment about not recognising them in their masks, and then politely asked why they were wearing them. They explained that they want to set an example to the “young people” who are walking about maskless in the village and are too close to each other.
I have experienced a profound sinking feeling since learning this, and spent most of my night time awake hours debating whether I speak to them about it.
Just to set the context on my position: I heard a world service prog back before the lockdown – it was an hour long, all about the science behind mask-wearing and concluded that non-surgical masks didn’t prevent respiratory infections. No surprise. Then there was the Danish study and Carl Heneghan’s review of it. And of course articles linked to this site. Perhaps the most strikingly immediate demonstration was when my partner was working on my neighbour’s fireplace to rebuild for a woodburner to be installed. He wore a mask because of the brick dust, and this was a much better fitting mask of the type he sometimes wears at work for dusty jobs. He showed me the interior of the mask after doing the work and of course it was red with brick dust and a lot had gone up his nose. I’m not sure how many times more minute a coronavirus is than a speck of brick dust but you get the idea.
I would really like to point out to these people that masks are not even neutral, they are harmful and of course they do not work for the purpose they intend. I think it is a tragedy that they are causing such harm, (especially psychologically and developmentally in the case of children) in the name of doing good.
My predictions for this year: yes, we will all have to wear masks in every public place and also exemptions will be banned in line with Costco policy. As I work outside (between April and October) I will no longer be able to work, if I am right in my fears. I am not going to wear a mask.

331343 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Jo, 24, #530 of 1362 🔗

That’s been my fear since the summer. We must be one of the few countries that (a) allows exemptions, and (b) does not mandate masks outside. Life will not be worth living if this is brought in.

331361 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Felice, 8, #531 of 1362 🔗

Spi b have recommended masks for busy outdoor shopping areas.The government have been using special cameras to monitor mask compliance and must now feel they can get away with an outdoor mandate.

331383 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jo, 11, #532 of 1362 🔗

Don’t worry too much. I know it’s a horrible propect having to wear FN’s outside with a legal mandate for maskholes to dish out “justice”

However this is surely just a step too far. They can’t be that evil…..So they say “public areas” that will need to be tightly defined. It will probably mean, communal areas in shared accommodations, sheltered flats and shopping centres and perhaps in some town centres…..The ones with Kingdom Security, those guys with the itchy FPN writing fingers…Bastards.

Well I will not be wearing one. Ever.

331484 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Two-Six, 9, #533 of 1362 🔗

‘They can’t be that evil….’. Don’t be too sure.

331409 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jo, 5, #534 of 1362 🔗

I saw someone wearing a mask meant to be used in a car paint spray shop.
I suppose he could have been taking the piss.

331412 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jo, 8, #535 of 1362 🔗

Disability Discrimination trumps Statutory Instruments about lockdown measures.

331334 Victoria, 8, #536 of 1362 🔗

Focus on the unreliability of the PCR test and how ‘cases’ are used to create restrictions

You may be eligible for compensation from our government due to covid restrictions
https://pcrclaims.co.uk

This government has been negligent in the use of Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) tests in response to Covid-19
 https://pcrclaims.co.uk/evidence

331335 Country Mumkin, 7, #537 of 1362 🔗

I hope this is representative of doctors being totally pissed off with government now…. and questioning ethics and trust

https://mobile.twitter.com/farrell_katrina/status/1344610377565405184

331342 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 36, #538 of 1362 🔗

“Hey, Wanky”
“What, Bozo?”
“How do them antibiotics work?”
“There’s seven pills, you take one a day for a week, and you must finish the course”
“But what if we gave seven people one pill each?”
“That wouldn’t work, Prime Minister”
“But – seven times more people get a pill, it’s exponential”
“Brilliant, Prime Minister…”

331356 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #539 of 1362 🔗

Thanks Sam, that just made my day.

332290 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Sam Vimes, #540 of 1362 🔗

It looks to me that they are taking too many stupid pills.

331346 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 18, #541 of 1362 🔗

Here is a page with links to and descriptions of various randomized controlled trials studies, showing no benefits of masks or indeed respirators in stopping the transmission of respiratory diseases.

There are no exceptions Not a single study shows any measureable benefit.

Wearing a mask is pure superstition.

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy

331373 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to rockoman, 6, #542 of 1362 🔗

Facebook says it’s false information. Despite it being a very good paper, you just can’t win. The elite have total control. we are well and truly fecked.

331388 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Andrew K, 6, #543 of 1362 🔗

Anything that goes against the official narrative will be fact checked as false information. These fact checking companies are sponsored by big business.

So what can you do? Ignore all statements by fact checkers. Do your research and make an informed decision

331406 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, 8, #544 of 1362 🔗

The definition of false information has changed – it’s now anything that the people in power don’t want you to think or know or hear about. Science is dead.

331549 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Victoria, 2, #545 of 1362 🔗

As recently as Dec 11 AP stated Ivermectin as a treatment was false info:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9768999400

The author is getting a lot of flak on Twitter.

Wonder if they will retract the ark let or if Google will just rank it higher.

331690 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to rockoman, #546 of 1362 🔗

The various studies that this links to are worth reading. The main page itself is unfairly conclusive in my view.

331347 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 38, #547 of 1362 🔗

Belated Happy New Years. Safe to say it was a heavy session. All kinds of bubbles and tier restrictions burst.

Good news from Stassi land previously known as Scotland run by our dear leader Nicola Sturg-un.

Mass non compliance detected on Hogmanay, fireworks set off on mass and a mass congregation of the young team on the forecourt (50 odds) that is in the middle of multiple high rise flats no social distancing and no masks.

The best sign of non compliance I have seen all year. Even amongst the virtue signalling, politically correct, insufferable millenials (I am one myself) there is signs of non – compliance and in my mind a recognition that the young are sick and tired of being stuck inside indefinetely.

331352 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #548 of 1362 🔗

Telegraph YouTube has a video of the London skyline lit up with unofficial fireworks and my small city had a mini version too.

331367 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to karenovirus, 1, #549 of 1362 🔗

It’s great to hear!!!

331445 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #550 of 1362 🔗

Cheers and more power to their whiskey!

331476 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Annie, 3, #551 of 1362 🔗

Sorry to be a bore, Annie, but Whisky is distilled in Scotland, Whiskey is distilled elsewhere.

331646 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Stephanos, #552 of 1362 🔗

Ah, a pedant after my own heart.

331350 Janette, 5, #553 of 1362 🔗

There is an excellent article in The Truthseeker on Covid infections in the UK. A must read.

331364 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 17, #554 of 1362 🔗

PCR Tests were NEVER suitable for large scale diagnostic testing

Quality Control was never carried out. If the PCR test currently driving government directives was a diagnostic test in the NHS, it would immediately be stopped due to lack of reliability and internal consistency. These tests were never intended to be used on ‘well’ people with no clinical symptoms. Indeed, the BMJ published an article in September 2020 stating this. Such evidence was in the public domain, in respected scientific journals, long before November 2020 (second lockdown) and was completely overlooked by the government’s advisory board (SAGE) in relation to recommending the second lockdown.

The CDC in the US, in its document released 13th July 2020, (page 38, first full bullet point) states ‘Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms’. To simplify, they are saying the test may not be measuring what it is supposed to be measuring.

In a study carried out by Bullard et al (2020) , in Clinical Infectious Diseases, it was found that out of 90 PCR positive samples, there was no viable viral growth in samples with a Ct > 24. Most PCR tests in the UK are using up to 35 Ct, which means an inevitable amount of false positives are being used to guide policy. All tests over Ct 24 should have been disregarded according to this evidence. The tests can’t tell the difference between active and inactive RNA matter , and results do not outline the number of cycles used. This should have been included in the data.

Test results have continuously been used in place of actual clinical evidence of disease (clinical symptoms) with no scientific basis for doing so. This has led to very damaging ideas about the spread of disease, none of which are scientifically accurate. Outsourcing of testing to private contractors has led to even greater problems with quality control, including improperly trained staff, contamination etc. and therefore has led to further inaccuracies in results.

PCR testing was never fit for purpose and should not have been applied in this way. This was never in dispute and is the key to a legal case of negligence.

https://pcrclaims.co.uk/evidence

331404 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Victoria, 7, #555 of 1362 🔗

Not one for ambulance chasing myself but I hope they sue the governments arse off, and those of SAGE advisers in.person.

331922 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #556 of 1362 🔗

I’m hoping that this could be our saviour – though as you say, I don’t generally approve of ambulance chasing. The reason being hundreds of small cases against institutions such as schools, offices, colleges etc could begin to turn the tide of public opinion against lockdowns.

331438 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 1, #557 of 1362 🔗

A legal case?Fantastic, how do we start?

332291 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Victoria, #558 of 1362 🔗

Criminal negligence.

331368 mj, replying to mj, 8, #559 of 1362 🔗

just been on to youtube and the main page showed the following

they can piss off

331401 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mj, 2, #560 of 1362 🔗

Wow, I go on YouTube every day, never seen that but my entry page is my subscriptions.

331371 guy153, replying to guy153, 16, #561 of 1362 🔗

Latest vaccine news is the UK government are now saying they’re fine with giving you the first dose of one Covid vaccine and then boosting it with another dose of a different one some random amount of time later.

This is a really sketchy thing to do. Yes it will “probably” be OK. But we knew all the vaccines would be probably be OK before we started phase 1/2/3 trials. That’s why you do the trials– in case something unexpected happens.

This should not be done unless the specific dose and combination has been through all the trials again.

331377 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to guy153, 8, #562 of 1362 🔗

Pretty certain is says on the govt Pfizer leaflet for health advisers that they should not mix vaccines

331396 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #563 of 1362 🔗

First Databank are the ones to ask, they do the work on the effects of different drugs mixed together.

331389 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to guy153, 7, #564 of 1362 🔗

Mix’n’match, what could possibly go wrong?
Weeks ago I posted a spoof with Gladys asking Nurse if Bert could have The Oxford this time because that phiser give him a funny turn.
Doctor ‘give him the Astra-Z, we’ve got to shift 6 cases by Monday’.

331390 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to guy153, 6, #565 of 1362 🔗

Extract from FDA: FACT SHEET FOR RECIPIENTS AND CAREGIVERS

EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION (EUA) OF

THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE TO PREVENT CORONAVIRUS  DISEASE 2019 (COVID-19)

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine vaccination series is 2 doses given 3 weeks apart.
If you receive one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, you should receive  a second dose of this same vaccine 3 weeks later to complete the vaccination series.

CAN I RECEIVE THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE WITH OTHER
VACCINES?
There is no information on the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine with
other vaccines.
—————————————————————————————-
“no information” – this is because it has not been tested with other COVID-19 vaccines.

331391 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to guy153, 3, #566 of 1362 🔗

incredible isn’t it? They haven’t tested the possible adverse reactions from using two different types of vaccines, so extremely dangerous

331394 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to guy153, 6, #567 of 1362 🔗

They said from the out that a second shot was essential and that it had to be within 7 days of 21 days later.
At that point they were more concerned with people not taking the second penetration because of unpleasant side effects with the first one.

332293 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #568 of 1362 🔗

Give them more rope. Refuse the jab and wait to see what happens with the shmucks who took the bait. This could turn out really embarrassing for Big Pharma in the long run.

331405 ▶▶ Julian, replying to guy153, 6, #569 of 1362 🔗

“Sketchy” seems somewhat generous. It seems like madness to me. The opposition and media should be all over them about this.

331410 ▶▶ davews, replying to guy153, 3, #570 of 1362 🔗

These are totally different technology viruses, surely you just don’t do things like this.

331555 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to davews, 2, #571 of 1362 🔗

I don’t think it poses a problem in of itself, as a treatment to consider for some viruses at some point in the future. It’s perfectly possible that targeting both an antibody and a T-cell response with separate jabs could show some benefits.

But “playing” on a live population is madness and not justifiable from any angle considering the risk/reward ratio.

331576 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #572 of 1362 🔗

Both vaccines give you both antibody and T-cell responses. In theory it should be fine. But in theory isn’t good enough. You have to test these things. The immune system is complex and things can go wrong.

331554 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to guy153, 3, #573 of 1362 🔗

This risks hiding any problems that do occur and should be avoided for that reason alone.

331375 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 14, #574 of 1362 🔗

Pig Dictator

331386 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 3, #575 of 1362 🔗

Government of all the piggy tossers

332294 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #576 of 1362 🔗

George Harrison: Little Piggies

331402 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Two-Six, 5, #577 of 1362 🔗

Has that been hacked out of David Cameron’s porn stash?

331477 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #578 of 1362 🔗

This one is (probably) 😉

331480 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 4, #579 of 1362 🔗

and this one

331482 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 5, #580 of 1362 🔗

Shushhhhh

332295 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Two-Six, 1, #581 of 1362 🔗

Is that Princess N N?

331504 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Two-Six, 6, #582 of 1362 🔗

Um … Boris’s face looks a wee bit different from usual … can’t quite put my finger on the difference… sort of handsomer, more intelligent…?

331403 JHUNTZ, 1, #583 of 1362 🔗

No amount of money can fix that face. Generations of inbreeding taken it’s toll methinks.

331407 stewart, replying to stewart, 5, #584 of 1362 🔗

This is absolutely mesmerising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1-0XKYAZII

331914 ▶▶ LS99, replying to stewart, #585 of 1362 🔗

Yes, it is absolutely mesmerising – thank you for posting it. The bit at the end when she explains about being clean (or whatever the expression is, if I go back to check I’ll lose the spot to post this comment) … it seems that we have two options a) be jabbed, broke, tagged and controlled – TECHNOCRACY or b) opt out and create something else- HUMAN. I’ve fast come to the conclusion that many I know will be in category A and it isn’t for me to save them. God knows, I’ve tried. My energies are going on getting involved with local people who are creating something from the ground up.
Honestly, one of the best bits of viewing this year.

331411 common conservative, 6, #586 of 1362 🔗

Ivor Cummins’s latest video focuses on Ireland:

https://youtu.be/SdKkZLqhmDM

He claims that the data is being used ‘in a fraudulent manner’ and that ‘the test concentration may now be in the hospital setting and less in the population…’ He uses government data, and, looking at that data from an objective standpoint, it is impossible to disagree with him.

331413 Victoria, 3, #587 of 1362 🔗

Scientific proof from research is regularly ignored because the public facing bodies find it too difficult to change their ways.

A situation which was summarised by the English Biologist Thomas Huxley who, in 1860 wrote;

“Science … warns me to be careful how I adopt a view which jumps with my preconceptions, and to require stronger evidence for such belief than for one to which I was previously hostile. My business is to teach my aspirations to conform themselves to fact, not to try and make facts harmonize with my aspirations.”

Basically, if you want to disprove a pet theory you need to work an awful lot harder!

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331414 Victoria, 5, #588 of 1362 🔗

How COVID-19 has mutilated the US meat industry

  • American cattle rancher Shad Sullivan from North Texas is interviewed by host Patrick Bet-David about the future of the cattle and beef industry
  • Sullivan received an email from the USDA in April 2020, stating that it would help farmers to find alternative markets for their harvests, as COVID-19 caused meat processing plants to shut down
  • If alternative markets couldn’t be found, state veterinarians and government officials would assist with culls, or depopulation, of the animals; meanwhile, the U.S. continues to import beef from other countries
  • Due to the allowance of acquisitions and mergers, four companies — Tyson, Cargill, JBS and National Beef, which is owned by Marfrig Global Foods — control 85% of the U.S. beef supply
  • There are now 727,906 beef farms and ranches in the U.S. In 1979, Sullivan says, there were 1.2 million to 1.3 million; he believes that due to the COVID-19 pandemic, one-third of the remaining beef farms and ranches in the U.S. may disappear after 2020 — maybe more

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/02/coronavirus-meat-industry.aspx

…….. and all of this creates a lot of demand for ‘printed meat’ like the impossible burger sponsored buy Bill Gates and friends. No need to compete and grow a share in the market – the market is open due to the lockdown restrictions

331422 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #589 of 1362 🔗

Why did `COVID vaccine turn HIV tests positive?

There are several COVID-19 vaccines in development, and some have reached human trials. One of the recently revealed challenges of some forms of the vaccine is a connection to human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) — either triggering a false positive test for it or potentially increasing the risk of an HIV infection.

HIV triggers acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS). HIV is a retrovirus , which some experts believe is at the heart of several chronic diseases, including myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) and autism. While some retroviruses can infect your germ cells, and therefore pass to your offspring, it’s not believed that HIV has that capacity.

The first HIV case was reported in 1981. Over the next 35 years, the infection created panic in some communities, raised the risk of death and triggered multiple public health programs. As scientists grew to have a better understanding of the infection, they developed better treatment methods for those who are infected.

By 2019 surgeons at Johns Hopkins Medical Center had performed the first living donor kidney transplant in the U.S. from an HIV patient to an HIV recipient. It was time, effort and science that brought treatment modalities to the point where HIV is now thought of as a chronic disease and not a death sentence.

Australia Abandons Vaccine After False Positive HIV Tests

In the race to produce a viable vaccine for COVID-19, one developed at the University of Queensland, Australia, was scrapped when scientists found participants developed a false positive test for HIV after vaccination. This affected a $750 million planned order for the vaccine.

The vaccine was developed in a collaboration between the university and biotech company CSL and was one of several using a protein that prompted a response from the human immune system . These types of vaccines have been in use for years and have a known track record, as compared to the newer mRNA vaccines in development.

Examples of protein-based vaccinations include those given for pertussis, Haemophilus influenzae type B and hepatitis B. Scientists have also used genetically engineered viruses to prompt the immune system to create antibodies against a pathogen. The technique of modifying the adenovirus has been in development for nearly three decades across several vaccines.

The problem with the COVID vaccine was with two HIV protein fragments that scientists used to produce a molecular “clamp” on the coronavirus spikes. The clamp was meant to stabilize the virus, allowing an individual’s immune system to effectively develop antibodies after exposure to the vaccine .

While researchers thought there was no risk from the vaccine of directly infecting the volunteer with HIV, the clamp caused trial participants’ bodies to produce antibodies that HIV tests recognized as a positive response.

Even though they felt the vaccine appeared to be safe and effective, they thought the false positive testing for HIV would undermine public trust. In order to continue the development and use of this vaccine, it would have required the current HIV test to be re-engineered to differentiate between those testing positive from the vaccine and those who had the virus. Prime Minister Scott Morrison spoke with reporters, saying:

“We can’t have any issues with confidence and we are as a nation now, with a good portfolio of vaccines, able to make these decisions to best protect the Australian people.”

The New York Times calls this a “misstep” “that can inevitably occur when scientists, during a pandemic … rush to condense the usual years-long process to develop vaccines into a matter of months.”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/02/coronavirus-vaccine-hiv.aspx

331441 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 4, #590 of 1362 🔗

Victoria is talking massively good stuff here, it ought fo go above the line!

331450 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Victoria, 8, #591 of 1362 🔗

The New York Times calls this a “misstep” “that can inevitably occur when scientists, during a pandemic … rush to condense the usual years-long process to develop vaccines into a matter of months .””

Indeed. Which is why you’d have to be literally insane to rush out a new experimental vaccine to millions of recipients unless there was a genuine plague emergency rendering it “necessary” to do so…….

Welcome to the 2020/21 world of collective insanity.

331433 common conservative, 4, #592 of 1362 🔗

Good old Jim Hacker. He did start to demonstrate he had a backbone, didn’t he?

Funnily enough, I’m currently watching the box set again, and I’m due to start Series Two of Yes, Minister wherein The Compassionate Society (which includes the above clip of Hacker) is the first episode, so I’ll be watching it tonight.

Funny old world, innit!

331434 Julian, replying to Julian, 25, #593 of 1362 🔗

Out and about in our Tier 4 (“Stay at home”) county town today

A few fearful maskers, but many others out walking, getting a coffee, socialising in groups, kids in the playground, tennis club and football pitches busy, not much distancing or swerving

There’s an appetite for normal life, we just need the people who have that appetite to stop thinking that this will end soon, without them starting to rebel more openly

331452 ▶▶ JME, replying to Julian, 3, #594 of 1362 🔗

Sadly, up here in Yorkshire, outdoor mask wearing seems to have mushroomed- un-masked outnumbered at least 4:1

331633 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JME, 1, #595 of 1362 🔗

Some of those will be people on their way to/from shops or between shops

Went for long walks along the river and in the fields over Christmas and saw lots of people and groups, hardly anyone had a mask on

Most mask wearing in our town is shopping related

331435 George L, replying to George L, 11, #596 of 1362 🔗

GET THIS TO TOBY AND THE WHOLE COUNTRY. ABSOLUTE PROOF WE ARE BEING LIED TO ABOUT COVID 19 FROM THE GOVERNMENT ITSELF.

The mainstream media claims more than 50,000 Brits have died ‘ with ‘ COVID19. But official government data proves only 13,844 people were actually infected by the disease in the whole of 2020.

ARTICLE : http://tapnewswire.com/2021/01/breaking-uk-govts-own-numbers-expose-their-covid19-fraud/

GOV.UK SITE with downloadable PDF’s: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-weekly-reports-for-2020

331446 ▶▶ Mark, replying to George L, 3, #597 of 1362 🔗

Been discussing these notifiable diseases reports for a few days now. Yet to hear an explanation for why so few “Covid” cases seem to be reported through this NOIDS procedure..

331467 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Mark, 8, #598 of 1362 🔗

Because they didn’t exist I’d say. The lies and fraud, are almost beyond belief.

An alleged disease with a 99+% recovery rate, overall mortality for the year at no more than average, and the diagnosis using a PCR procedure that doesn’t diagnose.

Not only that, flu has disappeared along with plunging rates of heart disease, cancer, etc, etc. To say they are cooking the books is an understatement in itself..

331514 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to George L, 3, #599 of 1362 🔗

Cooked, they are being cremated!!!!

331603 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Mark, #600 of 1362 🔗

There was a short thread on it yesterday. Dunno if it helps.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/01/latest-news-241/#comment-330781

331680 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #601 of 1362 🔗

Cheers Dorian.. I was off doing other stuff yesterday so didn’t see it..

331969 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #602 of 1362 🔗

That’s very interesting, thanks. Missed that yesterday.

331461 ▶▶ Janette, replying to George L, 4, #603 of 1362 🔗

We must get this information out to our MP’s

331486 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Janette, 3, #604 of 1362 🔗

Agreed Janette. I get this sort of info out to everybody I can. Information like this is so important to combat the lies that spew forth daily.

331821 ▶▶ John001, replying to George L, #605 of 1362 🔗

Important comment – surely the notifiable disease testing is properly done but it is just a random sample of people for that week. So it wouldn’t pick up all cases but it should tell us if COVID is more or less abundant now than in March 2020.

332296 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to George L, #606 of 1362 🔗

Happy New year from Wuhan

331439 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 18, #607 of 1362 🔗

Perhaps just perhaps?
2,500 people at “illegal” rave in Brittany, Spurs and West ham players criticised for “breaking” Covid rules and our (LS) experiences.
PERHAPS JUST PERHAPS,more people are ignoring this madness??

331472 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #608 of 1362 🔗

People will try to be people, despite everything. I am a little optimistic – it might be too much to say time is on our side but people, especially younger ones, will tend to get more and more fed up.

331447 Victoria, 23, #609 of 1362 🔗

Food For Thought

[Greenmedinfo.com newsletter]

331455 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #610 of 1362 🔗

More WHO definitions and manipulation of data/statistics

The Manufacturing of Bone Diseases: The Story of Osteoporosis and Osteopenia

The present-day definitions of Osteopenia and Osteoporosis were arbitrarily conceived by the World Health Organization (WHO) in the early 90’s and then projected upon millions of women’s bodies seemingly in order to convince them they had a drug-treatable, though symptomless, disease

Deviant Standards: Aging Transformed Into a Disease

The Manufacture of a Disease through Categorical Sleight-of-Hand

Bone Mineral Density is NOT Equivalent to Bone Strength

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/osteoporosis-myth-dangers-high-bone-mineral-density

331521 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Victoria, 3, #611 of 1362 🔗

Interesting – I suspected they tried to “medicalise” changes which happen naturally with age. But the upside of this diagnosis is Vit. D on prescription!

331673 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Alice, #612 of 1362 🔗

The downside is having to visit a GP to get the prescription. I’d rather continue to buy my own than get anywhere near a GP practice.

331648 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Victoria, 1, #613 of 1362 🔗

very interested to read this, thank you. Earlier I was coincidentally reading some of Patrick Quanten’s words; “Giving that power away (the power of the individual to know themselves if they are healthy or not) to an outside authority, like the medical profession, exposes us to all kinds of ‘wrongs’. When that authority decides to lower their own standards by which disease is measured suddenly a lot more people will be diagnosed as being ill, not healthy. By lowering the ‘normal’ blood pressure standard there are suddenly a lot more heart patients. By lowering the default level of normal blood sugar there are suddenly a lot more diabetic patients. By choosing to name slight and temporary alterations to the shapes of cells cancer, there are suddenly a lot more cancer patients. An outside authority who has the power to decide who is ill and who isn’t, while at the same time being the authority that drives the illness industry, is handing that industry carte blanche to create as many ill people as they want to. This is another example of what can go horribly wrong when there is no separation of power, when the diagnostic and remedial powers are all in the same hands.”

331465 godowneasy, 3, #614 of 1362 🔗

Not sure if this has appeared here already. COVID-19 vaccination doses administered per 100 people From Ourworldindata.

Israel is obviously one to watch.

331466 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #615 of 1362 🔗

Where did Influenza go in 2020? CDC data shows possible manipulation
https://youtu.be/9R4AQ_ejGaI

331622 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, 3, #616 of 1362 🔗

It’s utterly implausible that flu has disappeared, so the data must have been manipulated

331469 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 33, #617 of 1362 🔗

Just been told by someone (who, ordinarily I like) that I cannot stroke her dog. She said she would view this as dangerous if the dog then went on to go near to her elderly mother and passed something on from me. I would think her mother is more at risk of picking up some lurgy from the dog’s paws, as it’s just been rootling round the park. The insanity continues …

331489 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to kh1485, 13, #618 of 1362 🔗

So walking the streets and licking its own arse is safe?

331499 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mutineer, 5, #619 of 1362 🔗

My thoughts exactly! Poor mutt looked very confused as normally he is made a fuss of and given the pick of the treats box!

331498 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 6, #620 of 1362 🔗

I feel sorry for the dog. It probably gets sanitised three times a day. Bet it would love to go home with you, kh!

331508 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 6, #621 of 1362 🔗

Mental. I went to say hello to a dog the other day and i was watching it’s owner to see if they were “under the spell”. He was a cute little chap with fluffy hair and a natty little red fleece.

He wasn’t interested in me anyway.

But I was pleased to see the owner was pleased that I reach out to the dog and didn’t recoil from it like it was a viral hand grenade.

Obviously your lovely customer wasn’t bothered if the dog passes something onto you, as Mrs 2-6 just pointed out.

331569 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Two-Six, 6, #622 of 1362 🔗

“He was a cute little chap with fluffy hair and a natty little red fleece”.

I just have to ask. Was the dog cute as well? 😀

331509 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to kh1485, 4, #623 of 1362 🔗

We’d better lock up our pussies to protect them….

331519 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to godowneasy, 2, #624 of 1362 🔗

Just picturing the reaction of Tibbles to that one. I’m sure a lot of them are quite capable of getting their revenge on their humans for that one – climbing curtains, scratching furniture, middle of the night alarm calls, etc.

331604 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to ElizaP, #625 of 1362 🔗

That’s not what I was picturing… 😀 (My imagination found the level and dived straight below it.)

332305 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to ElizaP, #626 of 1362 🔗

Non-social distancing in the back alley.

332093 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to godowneasy, #627 of 1362 🔗

Thats true Mrs Slocombe.

331510 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 9, #628 of 1362 🔗

I think sometimes you just have to say ‘are you fucking mental’ and go about your day.

We’ve got nothing to lose now.

331515 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 6, #629 of 1362 🔗

lol. Oh, I’m getting there, what with my disagreement earlier with the bloke who told me I should be more “positive” and now the “stay away from the dog” instruction.

331558 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 2, #630 of 1362 🔗

One of our dogs regards cat poop as a great delicacy. I’m sure my immune system has learnt to cope but I do wash my hands frequently! Patting a dog or my dog being patted wouldn’t bother me in the slightest.

331652 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 1, #631 of 1362 🔗

I beginning to wonder when the diktat that all dogs must be shorn will come.

331670 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to leggy, 1, #632 of 1362 🔗

I’m still waiting for the one that says that all pets must be put down.

331470 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #633 of 1362 🔗

This comment was seen elsewhere. Any thoughts? “Listened to an alternative talk show the other day in which the question was asked: If Covid is so deadly where are all the dead homeless people?
That’s a good point. The homeless are wandering around in the open without masks or shelter, to a large extent.
In a sense the homeless are the canaries in the coal mine. You would expect, in a real pandemic, they’d be the first victims. I suppose the average person falling for this scam is watching so much MSM propaganda on the boob tube to think clearly!”

331496 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Londo Mollari, #634 of 1362 🔗

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331500 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #635 of 1362 🔗

The narrative has got more holes in it than Swiss cheese.

Excellent point re the homeless.

Along with recent posts re clinical waste bins for gimp masks, if it was that dangerous masks would be given to us for free, the powers that be would be trying to keep us calm not in a perpetual state of fear and anxiety.

I’m watching the old firm derby at the moment 🙄 (they took the knee), so if gimp masks are to be made mandatory outdoors then footballers should be made to wear them as 22 players running around a football pitch are in a ‘crowded’ area.

Until the covdinians realise they have been conned it will roll on.

331526 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #636 of 1362 🔗

Homeless people are far less healthy than others due to their exposure to the elements. If Covid is not cutting a swathe through them, the question must be, why not?

331584 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Waldorf, 6, #637 of 1362 🔗

I have been supporting homeless folk since the first lockdown in March. Upwards of 80 folk on a twice weekly basis. As far as I am aware none have died from COVID and very few have had the virus. Few wear masks and the notion of social distancing is an alien one. Many do however struggle with mental health issues and although the numbers are stable at the moment we see new faces on a regular basis

332307 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Waldorf, #638 of 1362 🔗

Not if they know where to look for edible, discarded food.

331537 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #639 of 1362 🔗

If you’re homeless and you’ve made it to 82 without something else getting you first, I doff my hat.

331540 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #640 of 1362 🔗

I would have thought few make it to that age, but perhaps their relative youth is exactly the reason Covid is not killing them.

332306 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Londo Mollari, #641 of 1362 🔗

Ask the Prime Minister.

331474 reason, replying to reason, 9, #642 of 1362 🔗

According to the Covid Dashboard 339,024 tests were carried on Christmas Day. That seems an amazing figure to me.

Then there is the infection rates which have turned my reasonably sceptic dog walking buddy into a fully paid up member of NAB (National Association of Bedwetters). Putting aside false positives etc. how on earth can these figures be compared between areas without taking into consideration the number of tests? They should be expressed as percentage i.e. positives divided by tests. Dimwhitty and Unbalanced must know this although I doubt if it has occurred to our esteemed Health Minister.

331478 ▶▶ George L, replying to reason, 3, #643 of 1362 🔗

See my post below. From the government itself. Only 13,844 people were actually infected by the disease in England over the whole of 2020.

331495 ▶▶▶ reason, replying to George L, 1, #644 of 1362 🔗

Surely cooking the books as you say but I am just pointing out an error in basic maths which seems to have gone unchallenged

331503 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to reason, 2, #645 of 1362 🔗

I know you are, but these errors have been pushed into the long grass since day one.. on purpose. I truly think we are now in a position that the PTB know they can virtually get away with anything because apart from a few alert souls the general public don’t give a monkey’s, and the media won’t report anything anyway.

331565 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to reason, 1, #646 of 1362 🔗

What I don’t know, and have been unable to find out, is whether the twice weekly lateral flow tests required of patient-facing NHS staff are counted in these numbers? We have to upload them weekly so they are recorded somewhere.. There are also the tests carried out in care homes, both staff and patients – are they part of the numbers, or are they trying to tell us that 339,024 people with possible symptoms waltzed into testing centres on Christmas Day?

331647 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to TJS123, #647 of 1362 🔗

On the dashboard it gives a breakdown of testing capacity, and NHS is always around 1900. That is what they do in-house. But they also send tests out, so they would be in pillar2. So I would say NHS and care home numbers are in P2. I doubt that that many had tests on xmas day, but they are working through their backlog.

331628 ▶▶ Julian, replying to reason, #648 of 1362 🔗

It probably has occurred to Hancock but why would he want to publish anything that gave a more realistic picture of what’s happening? He has zero interest in the truth.

331479 Liam, replying to Liam, 21, #649 of 1362 🔗

Matt Le Tissier is a proper, full on sceptic now. I think that had a lot to do with his sacking by Sky.

331485 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Liam, 1, #650 of 1362 🔗

He has been advertising Paddy power and when I saw the advert recently I wondered if he has been cancelled. Is he still on Twitter?

331494 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to stefarm, 2, #651 of 1362 🔗

Yes he’s still on there, worth a look.

331487 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Liam, 2, #652 of 1362 🔗

Was he sacked for scepticism or did he see the light after being sacked?

331497 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Waldorf, 14, #653 of 1362 🔗

I think he’s been questioning the narrative pretty much from the start. Also a critic of the BLM madness.

331505 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Liam, 4, #654 of 1362 🔗

Yes, I knew he was one of the loan voices from the start and along with Peter Ebdon took some stick.

331507 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Waldorf, 2, #655 of 1362 🔗

I think he was a sceptic prior to his sacking.

331532 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Waldorf, 4, #656 of 1362 🔗

sky had a big clear out at start of season – Le Tissier , Charlie Nicholas and Phil Thompson sacked from Soccer Saturday . All three were really good and had been doing the show for years . Reason .. too many old white males .

331547 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to mj, 1, #657 of 1362 🔗

AHH, hence why they are the threesome advertising Paddy power.

331550 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to mj, 2, #658 of 1362 🔗

Are they replacing them with Alison Hammond?!

DavidC

331686 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mj, #659 of 1362 🔗

I think he was the victim of wokeness rather than scepticism.
Replaced by some woman who played at the standard of Sunday league football.

331481 Annie, replying to Annie, 85, #660 of 1362 🔗

As many of you know, I am a Covvinotice ripper.
I demolished a really tough one today.A jogger came by as I was struggling, grinned and said ‘Tough one that.’
A couple of weeks ago, a friendly woman offered to hold my dog while I was destroying a face-knicker order.
Nobody has ever tried to stop me either destroying or overstickering Covvinotices.
Granted, I don’t go out of my way to collect crowds while I’m working. But I don’t bother to wait until there’s nobody about, either.

331513 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 10, #661 of 1362 🔗

Snap! Me too.

331516 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Annie, 5, #662 of 1362 🔗

Excellent!

331551 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Annie, 5, #663 of 1362 🔗

Good for you Annie!

DavidC

331643 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Annie, 6, #664 of 1362 🔗

I had to laugh that the woman offered to hold the dog, but not to help tear down the sign.

332159 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Silke David, 1, #665 of 1362 🔗

There wasn’t room for both of us!

331970 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Annie, 2, #666 of 1362 🔗

Well done you. I’ve noticed that in my village, all the signs are made of metal and posted over 6′ off the ground. That didn’t stop someone spraying black paint all over one, though.

332308 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cranmer, #667 of 1362 🔗

There are hundreds of don’t make noise at night signs all over Montreal. One is nailed to a telephone pole in front of an Antiques store.

332318 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, #668 of 1362 🔗

Upticked you to the top of the tree (as of 02:58) 🙂

Not sure if I’d dare to do it though….
Might be worth putting some stickers or leaflets on them though

331488 Annie, replying to Annie, 46, #669 of 1362 🔗

Big Tenby shop just gone bust.
Had enormous, graphically illustrated notices in its windows telling its victims customers to wear their face knickers CORRECTLY.
Their reward: to go bust CORRECTLY.
They won’t be the last.

331493 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Annie, 11, #670 of 1362 🔗

More music to Jeff Bezos’ ears.

331529 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #671 of 1362 🔗

Yep… brief feeling of vindication when you hear the news, but then you remember properties will be bought up on the cheap by those who have done well out of this silliness.

331548 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #672 of 1362 🔗

Sadly.

I refuse to buy anything from Amazon, don’t have Amazon Prime or Amazon TV package (does that come with Prime anyway?).

DavidC

331511 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 2, #673 of 1362 🔗

Which one is that?

331517 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Annie, 16, #674 of 1362 🔗

In general I have a lot of sympathy for businesses that have been affected by all these lockdowns and restrictions.

However any business that overzealously implemented mask wearing and discriminated against customers that did not wear masks must go bust. Vote with your feet (and wallet)

331571 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Victoria, 6, #675 of 1362 🔗

They have been set up to fail, spend money in the name of ‘safety’ to be shut down through prolonged lockdowns. They would be better off ignoring it and fighting it in court.

332309 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, 1, #676 of 1362 🔗

Idjits.

331492 Helen, replying to Helen, 2, #677 of 1362 🔗

Prof Crump wearer of many hats

1. ICU Doctor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Montgomery_(physician)

2. Children’s book author (Genie Project-Children)

https://www.projectgenie.org.uk/for-our-teachers/&nbsp ;

3. Climate Activist – Health and Climate Change: A Febrile Planet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOIf6yb7q5A&nbsp ;

4. Co-author 2020 report of The Lancet Countdown on health and climate change: responding to converging crises

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2932290-X

5. Big Data Man

2030 Hospitals/ Hewlett Packard & Aruba

https://ap-verlag.de/clickandbuilds/WordPress/MyCMS4/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Aruba_Hospital-2030_Report.pdf&nbsp ;

6. CEO PANTHAIR LTD: Medical supplies company (masks, thermometers, COVID test kits)

IgG IgM Rapid Test Kit – BBN Group

331567 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Helen, 2, #678 of 1362 🔗

Is it me or does ‘project genie’ sound a bit sinister?

331502 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 67, #679 of 1362 🔗

Coming up to a year on the front line now. Never stopped seeing patients face to face although I do wear face knickers as I don’t want to be denounced on social media . I think I became aware of the latest dreaded lurgy sometime in early January but the Covid hysteria didnt strike until mid March. Only time I have had a significant respiratory illness in my decades of practice was in mid February with high fever for 2 days and dry cough for ten days ….” doc you haven’t got that Chinese flu have you ? ” .

Now after a year I continue to retain my sanity …and a sense of humour in all this. These last few days in the out of hours service have been a lot quieter than normal years, maybe it is different down in London I don’t know. Thinking ahead now , I really don’t know how we are to escape from this hysterical collective insanity we seem to be so far down the rabbit hole but I do my best to reassure people by recounting my observations and not the hysteria of the media.

331535 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Peter Thompson, 11, #680 of 1362 🔗

On Boxing Day 2019 I went down with what seemed like a chest infection. I was rough for a few days, maybe a week but then felt a lot better. However, a week or more after the onset I found I couldn’t walk around the block without getting out of breath. And I had a cough that lasted from Boxing Day to early February. Good old Jakeman’s honey &menthol. I didn’t think for a moment it might have been Covid until months later.

331543 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #681 of 1362 🔗

Funny that, I had the same symptoms in January 2019, lasted for about two months. But then that WAS a year before Covid!

DavidC

331562 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to DavidC, 5, #682 of 1362 🔗

In February 2020 I came down with what I assumed was a bad flu – not much fun because I was in the middle of organising a conference, which happened just in time before all the restrictions began. For all I know it was Covid but the first official appearance was not for several weeks later. Following that I have yet to have my normal winter cold or flu this year, for whatever reason.

331750 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DavidC, #683 of 1362 🔗

December, 18 for us.
Lasted to April, 19.

332311 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Fingerache Philip, #684 of 1362 🔗

Reminds me of the Beach Boys song ‘I get around’.

331553 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #685 of 1362 🔗

I had the same. Started on Christmas day last year – sore throat that felt like I was swallowing razor blades, hacking dry cough and felt out of sorts for nearly three weeks afterwards (feeling weak and had aching muscles). Just put it down to end of year fatigue and being run down.

331618 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 3, #686 of 1362 🔗

My in laws all came down with a heavy dose around ten same time. Was quite hard on one of them, no hospital but he had the first run then it came back with avengence. He was out of sorts for a month and a half.

I will add he’s generally not in great shape.

331626 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to kh1485, 3, #687 of 1362 🔗

& Yet now, that would be put down as the utter nonsense that is “long covid”

I am in no way having a go at you kh1485, I am just saying that is how far this nonsense has went now.

332034 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, #688 of 1362 🔗

Boxing Day for the TJN family. Classic covid symptoms – mix of fever, dry cough, loss of taste/smell. We had no idea about covid then of course, but we kept saying what a weird bug it was.

331747 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Londo Mollari, #689 of 1362 🔗

Strange as it may seem, Londo, of all things, Boot’s catarrh pastiles do it for me and the wife.
Coughs, that is.
Anesthestizes your throat.

332162 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Peter Thompson, 1, #690 of 1362 🔗

Just to stay sane is an achievement.

331506 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #691 of 1362 🔗

Vitamin D and COVID 19 : The Evidence for Prevention and Treatment of Coronavirus (SARS CoV 2)
Professor Roger Seheult, MD explains the important role Vitamin D may have in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19. Dr. Seheult illustrates how Vitamin D works, summarizes the best available data and clinical trials on vitamin D, and discusses vitamin D dosage recommendations.

Vitamin D as therapeutic agent against Covid 19
Vitamin D a steroid hormone (fat soluble) that can go through the membrane that goes into the nucleus and then cause or prevent transcription of RNA

You can’t make vitamin D unless you go in the sun (winter sun does not work) or take it as a supplement

High fructose corn syrup (HFCS) can cause problems with the absorption of vitamin D in your body – read labels of processed foods and eliminate. Is that one of the links to obesity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg

How much vitamin D3 to take?

Sadly the NHS recommendation of 400IU per day is just about enough to prevent rickets and will not improve health/immunity. These NHS doctors and nurses also scare you with vitamin D toxicity that is basically having a build up of too much calcium in the blood due to taking massive vitamin D supplement for many months.

Vitamin D toxicity rarely happens – possible only if the vitamin D 25(OH) D levels are higher than 100 ng/ml / 250 mol/L (see below)

Taking Vitamin D3 with vitamin K2 and Magnesium ensures that the body absorbs the Calcium into the bones and teeth and prevents a calcium build up in the blood and cells.

If your vitamin D3 levels are very low, you should consider taking at least 10,000IU per day (with Vitamin K2 and Magnesium)

Note: doctors prescribe Vitamin D 2 – it is synthetic and much more difficult for the body to ‘absorb’

331632 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Victoria, 3, #692 of 1362 🔗

Can I also recommend the Vit D video on Ivor’s YT channel.
Three veteran UK doctors in discussion on Vit D.
Some very interesting opinions quietly shared.
Worth the hour.

331512 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 20, #693 of 1362 🔗

The paid up MSM are over ramping the covid thing now, must be feeling that they’re losing their grip on the propaganda

331524 ▶▶ clem, replying to DanClarke, 3, #694 of 1362 🔗

Just been on the Daily Mail front page (must be indulging my masochistic side, why else would I do this to myself) and you’re not wrong – feels like the masses are being primed for the next stage of loss of liberty.

Masks outdoors must be odds on favourite, what else will they try and implement “for my safety”?!?

331560 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to clem, 8, #695 of 1362 🔗

They can forget more masking, judging by the comments, the majority are waking up to the scam

331777 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DanClarke, #696 of 1362 🔗

Really?

331527 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to DanClarke, 12, #697 of 1362 🔗

Lots of incredulous comments across social media, first about the one shot business, now about mix ‘n’ match.

331518 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 20, #698 of 1362 🔗

They have setup a new covid testing centre less than a mile from me, just drove past and piles of cars. Covid has come to Cornwall!!!
Cases have doubled in a week, along with a massive ramp up in testing, funny that!!! Tier one to tier three in not much more than a week, thanks to the testing surge. Funny how we had hundreds of thousands of holiday makers down in the summer and nothing, but now we’re all infected as so many getting a test….self fulfilling prophecy…..

331523 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John Ballard, 5, #699 of 1362 🔗

Do they give out a free pasty with every test?

331525 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Two-Six, 3, #700 of 1362 🔗

They say the Devil himself won’t cross the River Tamar because he fears the Cornish pasty. Not so much fear for the old virus. He’s a brave ‘un.

331541 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 5, #701 of 1362 🔗

PCR – pasty, crust, result

331693 ▶▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Two-Six, #702 of 1362 🔗

If they did I would let them off !

331563 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to John Ballard, 8, #703 of 1362 🔗

This has been the operating procedure since it was trialled in Leicester.Ramp up testing in a particular area and use the results from a flawed test to lockdown.
This is what made me realise this is planned and not a bungled over reaction.

331574 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to John Ballard, 4, #704 of 1362 🔗

They’ve got to get it into Tier 4 somehow I suppose.

331621 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to John Ballard, 3, #705 of 1362 🔗

When I read we’d gone from tier 1 to tier 3, my immediate thoughts were firstly, how the f**k did that happen, then secondly oh a testing centre has been set up somewhere wonder where it is.
Unfortunately the Cornish are just as daft as everyone else…..
And yes two six, a free pasty always guarantees a huge turn out!

331696 ▶▶▶ John Ballard, replying to bluemoon, #706 of 1362 🔗

Unfortunately I can’t disagree brain washed by the government propaganda I’m afraid

331531 AnotherSceptic, 14, #707 of 1362 🔗

First post from me this year. Hope everyone had a decent new year.

This may have already been posted, I’ve not read the comments yet, but….if it hasn’t, this is outrageous lies.

Dirty, scummy wankers. Not enough grannies are actually dying now, so let’s go for the children angle, overrun with children??? My fucking arse!

But, need to keep up the scaremongering propaganda eh?
Cunts.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-wards-full-children-first-145710847.html

331533 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #708 of 1362 🔗

1/2 The Bait & Switch of Vaccine Deaths With COVID-19 Mortalities In perhaps the most controversial post I’ve ever made on this blog, I can now confirm that official data shows that the first and second waves of alleged Covid deaths correspond with the roll out of this year’s WHO-approved flu vaccines.

Evidence from the WHO’s own records shows that the shots are known to kill 5 out of every 1,324 healthy adults, as well as causing 344 to have medically attended adverse events.

It therefore appears obvious that the manufacturers of the scamdemic played a classic bait and switch move, in order to create plausible deniability for this year’s deaths from flu vaccines and to guarantee a whole lot more fatalities from the Covid jabs, which they intend to inject us all with in 2021.

The Genocidal Switcheroo Damning evidence from the WHO in my possession implicitly states that the current batch of UK flu shots is expected to kill 377 of every 100,000 healthy adults, between 18 and 65.
However, that mortality rate would obviously increase substantially for the elderly and sick, who were the largest UK demographic to receive it by 26/03/2020 [8.5 m of the 14 m vaccinated by that date].

In such circumstances, out of the 14 million vaccinated with the flu shot during the first 12 weeks of 2020, at least 52,780 would have been expected to suffer fatal adverse events from the vaccines administered.

That being the case, the government needed the Coronavirus Act 2020 to suspend autopsies, which obviously could have established the predominant cause of death was the flu vaccines, rather than the government lurgy that has never even been proven to exist.

Grim Mortality Prediction If this incredibly serious allegation of bait and switch has substance, I can now predict with relative and grim certainty, that in the event 30 million healthy adults receive one of the WHO-approved flu vaccines in the UK, 113,100 would be expected to die within 22 days of the injection.

Which the government would obviously claim is merely the latest surge of lurgy deaths, as the second flu shot season draws to an end, along with the worst year in living memory, during which no vaccine deaths have been recorded, to the very best of my knowledge.
Whilst only time will tell whether that grim prediction comes true [and I sincerely hope that it doesn’t], the best way to unequivocally prove that COVID deaths are in fact vaccine mortalities is to perform autopsies on the bodies of the dead .

Fatal Coincidence Nevertheless, we already know that the end of the first flu shot season this year was 26/03 – the day they passed the Coronavirus Act 2020. A fatal coincidence, if ever there was one.

The mortality spike that followed the initial lockdown from 23/03/2020, was, it logically follows, due to the surge of adverse events from 14 million vaccinations, over the first 12 weeks of the year.

Quite simply, the more people who took the vaccine each week, the more people died and were falsely recorded as Covid deaths, which actually began in January and not March, according to official data.

In other words, they started falsifying the cause of death as being Covid in the same month this year’s first round of flu shots began.
Which is why the suspension of autopsies prescribed by the 2020 Act was integral to the perpetuation of the scamdemic and the creation of the genocidal government policy which continues unabated.

Mass Sterilisation Agenda We don’t know for sure if the mortality rate will be the same, similar, more or less, but all the evidence we have strongly suggests that the primary purpose of the Covid vaccines is to switch off our reproductive systems, whilst permanently altering our DNA.

Provided, of course, that we manage to survive being poisoned with all manner of Big Pharma toxins and having nanobots let loose on our central nervous system.
However, we will know the answer soon enough, as the government are effectively continuing the testing stage right now, using the public as guinea pigs, in a ‘live’ experiment of genuinely Malthusian proportions.

They already appear to be covering up the mortality rate and other adverse effects from the vaccine, while ramping up the scam of the second strain of the government lurgy, which has never been and never will be either isolated or purified.

https://www.thebernician.net/the-bait-switch-of-vaccine-deaths-with-covid-19-mortalities/

331534 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #709 of 1362 🔗

2/2
Judgment Day Draws Ever Closer
 It goes without saying that as soon as we have enough prima facie evidence to nail these charges and more, in the Private Criminal Prosecution of those who stand accused of fraud, treason and mass murder, we will proceed without hesitation.

Nevertheless, it is also worthy of note that the bait and switch described above is exactly the same kind of fraud the banksters love to play, which confirms who our real adversaries are in this mortal war of attrition, for those who still require confirmation of that fact.

Since the Rothschild cartel sits behind the curtain and pull the strings of their academic, scientific, media and political puppets, who will all no doubt sing like canaries when they appear before their juries, to defend their indefensible crimes against the people.

My instinct tells me that the exposure of this genocidal bait and switch has the potential to blow the lid off the whole scam a mile high, once we have all the prima facie evidence required to sustain the most serious allegations ever made in a Common Law court.

https://www.thebernician.net/the-bait-switch-of-vaccine-deaths-with-covid-19-mortalities/

331536 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 39, #710 of 1362 🔗

Regarding the ‘Deaths Don’t Add Up’ in the main body of today’s LS, some comments on Excess Deaths.
1 – Excess deaths are based on above (or below) the last five year average which has, itself, been below the long term average. So any ‘excess deaths’ should be regarded with that in mind.

2 – The death rate (% versus population) has been falling since the 1950s (I can’t find data prior to that) but has been rising a bit from its low in around 2013, still nowhere near its long term average

3 – As I’ve posted a number of times, looking at the deaths as a proportion of the population, again since 1950, this year ranks (forecasting for the next two reporting periods 15,000 each) at number 50 out of 75, not even in the top two thirds.

4 – Absolute figures ‘look bad’ but (and again bearing in mind the death RATE) the UK population is continually rising and has risen by around 14% (officially) since 2000. The large supermarkets think, based on their food sales, that the population could be 10-20 million more.

5 – The population itself is ageing. The baby boomer bulge is moving up the scale with fewer younger people. The baby boomers (of whom I am one) are now moving into the age ranges of greater deaths so this will have an impact on the absolute numbers dying.

6 – The Hong Kong flu of 1968-69 killed around 80,000 in the UK with a much lower population. NO-ONE in the front line of medicine will ever have encountered or exeperienced anything like that. Their experience of this year is like a novice driver’s first experience of driving a car.

7 – The WHO changed its definition of a pandemicin the late 2000s and has changed its definition of herd immunity since July to one now determined by vaccines rather than natural disease acquired immunity. Why?

So yes, while this year has definitely been ‘hot’ it is most assuredly not out of the ordinary.

DavidC

331561 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DavidC, 2, #711 of 1362 🔗

Excellent summary

331588 ▶▶ George L, replying to DavidC, 2, #712 of 1362 🔗

Good stuff David. I’ve been working along similar lines myself..

331645 ▶▶ leggy, replying to DavidC, 1, #713 of 1362 🔗

All very valid points, thanks.

332315 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to DavidC, #714 of 1362 🔗

Why? They got a call from Mr. Big:

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331539 Victoria, 8, #715 of 1362 🔗

Attacking Ourselves: Top Doctors Reveal Vaccines Turn Our Immune System Against Us
The research is hard to ignore, vaccines can trigger autoimmunity with a laundry list of diseases to follow. With harmful and toxic metals as some vaccine ingredients, who is susceptible and which individuals are more at risk?

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/attacking-ourselves-top-doctors-reveal-vaccines-turn-our-immune-system-against-us

331545 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #716 of 1362 🔗

Good Law project
It’s time for an end to cronyism
https://goodlawproject.org/case/end-to-cronyism/

331557 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 2, #717 of 1362 🔗

While you get the feeling this is just window dressing for enhancing Labour’s power (the government were inadequately prepared, herd immunity strategy, should have locked down earlier etc), I will back anything that at least shines a light on the corruption and conflicts of interest. Its obvious with the PPE scandals but I hope the captured nature of the government scientific advisors can also be brought out. It’s unlikely because it would be a step too far for Labour.

331546 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 19, #718 of 1362 🔗

A very interesting latest chat between James Delingpole and Laura Perrins with the latter making some very pertinent legal points with her having a barrister background. In her view perhaps the greatest disaster of all this is that now lockdown is ‘on the statute book’ ie its become part of the status quo which it had never been before. It will now become the default government response to any future ‘pandemics’ including bad influenza. The fact that the WHO has refined its definition of what a pandemic is to a much looser version bodes disaster for the future. And we all know how utterly useless and craven and cowardly the British public will be in opposing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmrJW33nzBA

331556 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Boris Bullshit, 18, #719 of 1362 🔗

Yes, this is my main concern now. It’s why I regard the vaccines as such a disaster. Any direct ill effects they are likely to have are irrelevant imo next to their enabling of the “lockdowns saved us” narrative, by providing a fairy story ending, however implausible when viewed with even a minimum of scepticism.

Of course, any trace of honest scepticism is precisely what we will not get, from a deeply complicit population and, especially, political and social elite..

331570 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mark, 9, #720 of 1362 🔗

The thing is though, they’re not providing a fairy story ending, with JVT forbidding bingo even after vaccination, and Twitty/Bedspread (who knows which) banging on about masks and SD permanently. All it will take is another “mutant” to be produced at the right time and SAGE will be screaming for it to go on… and on… and on…

331581 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #721 of 1362 🔗

I think this is definitely true and I wonder how long it will take the gullible to work this out.

331606 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #722 of 1362 🔗

Yes, more apt would be to say that they provide the illusion of an ending.

Seems to be enough for most people, atm. I’m not seeing any overwhelming popular surge of sceptical opinion yet, certainly not in my neck of the woods.

Probabyl better described as general increasing unease and consequent anger, but as often directed at the whistleblowers (us) as at the perps.

331629 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 14, #723 of 1362 🔗

I’ve just been got at by someone who did not like my blackboard message – all of it perfectly true (that everything has been destroyed for a disease with a > 99% recovery rate). Clearly, I’m not allowed to tell the truth.

Missed a trick, should have channelled my inner Jack Nicholson and said ” … you can’t handle the truth …”

331578 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mark, 2, #724 of 1362 🔗

I very much agree with that Mark. I find that people I talk to now accuse me of being ‘negative’ compared to their positive welcoming of the vaccine and getting back to normal. The reality is that they were the negative ones supporting the most horrendous costs of lockdown which was both unnecessary and ineffective. I also think they are being very naive in thinking that the present rulers have any desire to go back to normal quickly. A fairy tail ending leaving a path of destruction in its wake which will be seen as a ‘price worth paying’ to misquote Norman Lamont from the early 1990s.

331597 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Boris Bullshit, #725 of 1362 🔗

They continue to take turns further and further into the rabbit hole. 3 more months, back to normal.

331609 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #726 of 1362 🔗

Yes, even some borderline sceptics I know are saying they just want the vaccines to make it all go away, and if pressed they’ll say they don’t care what the truth is they just want it all to end.

331617 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 3, #727 of 1362 🔗

Let’s hope they are suitably angry when they see things are not going to return to anything like normal any time soon

331863 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Boris Bullshit, #728 of 1362 🔗

That’s what laws are for. They become the new normal (status quo).

331559 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #729 of 1362 🔗

Susan Michie’s contacts of you feel an e-mail is in order:

Susan Michie Contact Details
Name Susan Michie
Position Professor of Health Psychology
Address Room 347
Research Department of Clinical, Educational and Health Psychology
University College London
1-19 Torrington Place
London, WC1E 7HB
Telephone +44 (0)20 7679 5930
Fax +44 (0)20 916 8511
Email s.michie@ucl.ac.uk
CV Click here to download

Think I’ll put one together asking her for evidnece to support her stance on mask wearing.

331605 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #730 of 1362 🔗

Should she not just be contacted via the Communist Party of Great Britain?

331564 Alice, replying to Alice, 3, #731 of 1362 🔗

Laura Duffel. the scaremongering matron:

https://supportkings.org.uk/lauras-story

Just look at the photo…

331572 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Alice, 10, #732 of 1362 🔗

what does she know that we don’t – should we start eating cake?

331575 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Major Panic, 4, #733 of 1362 🔗

Brilliant,best laugh I’ve had today !.

331577 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Alice, #734 of 1362 🔗

she has a twitter account. Pretty active on other issues like nurses pay

331591 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Alice, 3, #735 of 1362 🔗

Makes Hattie Jacques look friendly.

331641 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Alice, 2, #736 of 1362 🔗

Infantilising crap; I’m not interested in someone’s ‘story’, just objective reporting of facts.

331566 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 12, #737 of 1362 🔗

the union power died out for a while, now the teachers union, the nurses union are back with a vengeance, more to do with stamping on the Tories than Covid, it seems.

331601 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DanClarke, 6, #738 of 1362 🔗

Pathetic Tories/Williamson not being able to stand up against the teaching Unions

331860 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Victoria, #739 of 1362 🔗

Fawlty Tories.

331861 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to DanClarke, #740 of 1362 🔗

They are seeking a permanent sabbatical.

331580 Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, 20, #741 of 1362 🔗

On October 21 1949, a few months after 1984 was published, George Orwell received a letter from Aldous Huxley, whose Brave New World had been published 17 years earlier. Huxley concludes:

Within the next generation I believe that the world’s rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eighty-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World. The change will be brought about as a result of a felt need for increased efficiency. Meanwhile, of course, there may be a large-scale biological and atomic war—in which case we shall have nightmares of other and scarcely imaginable kinds.

I feel like until 2020, Huxley was generally winning in Western societies, and 2020 was the year we made a big shift towards Orwell.

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.

331614 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #742 of 1362 🔗

We have a combination of both

331616 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tee Ell, 6, #743 of 1362 🔗

Death is Life.

Stop living to stop dying

Sickness is Health

Immunity is Weakness

A Single Covid Death is Worth a Thousand Other Deaths

Only those in lockdown are truly free. To be made to wear a mask is a privilege.

Medspeak

A projection is a prediction unless it is shown to be wrong in which case it becomes a projection.

331582 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 7, #744 of 1362 🔗

Feeling mischievous today what with the dog directive madness and entreaties to stay “positive”. My responses to constantly being asked which door to use for exiting and for permission to come inside, put me in mind of this:

(4) GRAMMOPHONE – Rowan Atkinson – Not The Nine o’Clock News – YouTube

331625 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 2, #745 of 1362 🔗

I guess sadly the chance of bumping into another person whilst using “the wrong door” is so minimal, what does it matter which door they use? I guess they want to stick to “the rules”.
At my (ex)workplace we had a plastic screen right in front of the till with a space at the bottom to pass stuff through. The screen did not cover the whole width of the counter, and a LOT of people would stand and talk to us where no screen was. Although we were not worried about the screen offering protection, but it really pissed us off.

331583 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #746 of 1362 🔗

I’m rewatching Yes Minister, if you can watch the “Compassionate Society” it’s as fresh today as it was in the 1980s. It’s about empty hospitals.

331662 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #747 of 1362 🔗

I treat Yes minister as a documentary not a comedy.

331586 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 15, #748 of 1362 🔗

Happy New Year everyone. I used to post to this site under the name of James Marker, but for some reason I found I could not set up an account under that name. Brilliant psychological analysis of Van-tam by Freddie Attenborough on today’s update page. Van-tam’s tone of moral superiority barely disguises his contempt for a large section of the public. Well, I’m not often given to swearing, but really, it’s about time somebody knocked that cunt off his perch. Prof Robert Dingwall in today’s Telegraph says pretty much the same thing, albeit in more measured tones. All credit to Prof Dingwall who has been a voice of sanity throughout this whole sorry saga. Let’s hope that the government listens to his advice and tells some of its “pandemic advisers” that the zero-Covid strategy is ruinous and the time has now come for them to go home. Sadly, I think the government will turn a deaf ear.

331602 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JamesM, 2, #749 of 1362 🔗

Canada have decided Zero Covid is the next stage. They’ve even got a loving name CanadaShield

331612 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #750 of 1362 🔗

Zero Covid is the next stage of madness from “something must be done”. Dangerously delusional.

331638 ▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Julian, 2, #751 of 1362 🔗

IoM govt announced last summer that zero covid was the aim, so we have suffered their delusions ever since.

331717 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Dame Lynet, 1, #752 of 1362 🔗

Thailand too.

331660 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 6, #753 of 1362 🔗

Zero Covid is the cover for the continued Fascist takeover of this country and many others

331880 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Julian, #754 of 1362 🔗

It’s like aiming for “zero weather”.

331634 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #755 of 1362 🔗

Makes me think of IngSoc.

331702 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #756 of 1362 🔗

Canadashield. Borders slammed shut. Foreigners blamed. Fuck the nation state. It’s been lying to you since 1815. This is its last ditch self-defence. Kill it.

331725 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #757 of 1362 🔗

The Canadian Shield is a large expanse of very ancient rock. Not as solid as the heads of most Canadians, evidently.

331754 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #758 of 1362 🔗

The only reference I’ve seen to CanadaShield is a company that manufactures PPE. It’s not that I don’t believe our idiotic governments could try for Zero Covid, I’ve just not seen a reference to it. Admittedly, I’ve been staying away from MSM sources so I could have missed it.

331615 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to JamesM, 2, #759 of 1362 🔗

If you edit profile, you can change your display name. Make sure to choose from drop down box below where you change it.

331587 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 35, #760 of 1362 🔗

I have just had a tweet that has come through into my e mail by the former Brexit MEP Lucy Harris. She tweeted how lovely it was to ‘get our freedom back after 40 odd years’. What planet are these people living on? Whatever limitations on freedom the EU implemented, (and I voted leave) they are a complete piss in the wind compared to the genuine authoritarianism we are now living under where people are banned from visiting each other or travelling around or going in a pub or being subjected to police brutality on anti lockdown protests.

Harris was one of the ‘Gang of 4’ who ratted on Farage before the general election and defected to the Conservatives. I don’t know what her view is on lockdown but it does not sound too encouraging.

331731 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Boris Bullshit, #761 of 1362 🔗

I met her once when we joined the organisation ‘Leavers of Britain’.

332109 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bella Donna, #762 of 1362 🔗

Very pretty too from what I can see but she seems to have no sense of proportion in relation to freedoms.

331592 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #763 of 1362 🔗

My local authority has a population of approx 150,000 people. Approx. 1000 people are currently getting themselves tested every single day. In 150 days, or 6 months, the entire population could have been tested. WHO ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE?! I only know one person who’s been tested – in fact she’s been tested once herself, and sent her 6 yo to be tested on a separate occasion along with her husband (“We thought someone should get it done with her (the 6 yo), so he had one too”). No one achieved a positive test. Is it just the same people doing it over and over and over again?!

331599 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #764 of 1362 🔗

They think they get £200 every time they pass ‘GO’.

331610 ▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #765 of 1362 🔗

Aren’t lots of NHS and other healthcare/care workers more or less forced to be tested?

I know a chef who is tested weekly – presume forced to by employer

Other than that the people I know who have been tested it has been to be able to travel or return to school, and some with symptoms. Why anyone with symptoms would bother getting tested I don’t know – if you feel ill why not just stay at home and get better?

331674 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, #766 of 1362 🔗

Do healthcare workers count as Pillar 1 or 2? The majority of tests in England at the moment are under Pillar 2, which would include people like your chef I guess, but not repeated tests of healthcare workers which I thought came under Pillar 1.

331723 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Julian, 2, #767 of 1362 🔗

We’ve become a nation of bedwetting hypochondriacs.

331736 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #768 of 1362 🔗

I’ve got strong hypochondriac tendencies and for this reason I have made a special effort to be rational about covid, which seemed preferable to living in terror

Rationally, if you feel unwell then as long as your symptoms are not suddenly worsening, you’d just rest at home rather than trek to a testing centre – apart from anything else, unless your symptoms are acute you’re not going to get treated for covid

Thinking back to my health panic attacks, I probably would have gone to get tested just so I was doing something about it

331726 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Julian, 1, #769 of 1362 🔗

So here’s the only reason I would ever get tested — perhaps if I had a positive PCR test I could reference that as a reason to not get the vaccine. I won’t take it under any circumstances, but being able to demonstrate natural immunity could possibly be helpful. Having said that, I’m quite certain that 99% of people lining up to be tested are not doing so for that reason.

331878 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to A. Contrarian, #770 of 1362 🔗

Snowflakes on my trolling board run to the testing centre at every sniffle, even if they have actually (ahem) “had” it already. Then they send their kids and their parents. It’s a kind of fetish, or simply insanity.

331594 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 28, #771 of 1362 🔗

The picture on the homepage is unbelievable, somebody dressed like an extra from star trek pointing a ‘gun’ at the head of a child.

A dystopian nightmare, how anybody can think it is normal and appropriate is beyond me.

331600 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 11, #772 of 1362 🔗

And they wrap it in such opposing language. “Stay safe”, “to save lives”. While there she is, wrapped in pointless theatre to inflict God knows what kind of awful perspective of humanity on the child.

I get nightmarish feelings from such contrasts. People called it hyperbole but it induces a serious anxiety

331739 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #773 of 1362 🔗

It’s called gaslighting but it deserves a less beautiful metaphor. It’s mental child rape.

331685 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to stefarm, #774 of 1362 🔗

But the child is smiling, so even at her age she can see through the bollocks. Maybe their is hope after all?

331700 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Old Bill, 3, #775 of 1362 🔗

She’s smiling because she feels cared for and loved and she loves Big Brother

331815 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #776 of 1362 🔗

She’s been promised an extra ration of Victory Chocolate.

331877 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #777 of 1362 🔗

I’m not mad keen on kids to be honest but it is outrageous to accuse the innocent little tykes of being putrid carriers of dirty virus. No, no, no.

331724 ▶▶ Annie, replying to stefarm, #778 of 1362 🔗

It’s a very old picture, goes back to when schools reopened (temporarily) last spring.

331607 Paul, replying to Paul, 3, #779 of 1362 🔗

Piers Corbyn arrested again in London just now.

331627 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Paul, 9, #780 of 1362 🔗

I so hope he runs for Mayor. I’m tempted to apply for a postal vote or ten and vote for him from here in the IoM 😉

331664 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Dame Lynet, 4, #781 of 1362 🔗

I think David Kurten would be a better bet. Piers entering the race would just split the anti-lockdown vote.

331719 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Paul, 1, #782 of 1362 🔗

Anyone that doesn’t kneel to government diktats has a target on their back. I hope he has a good lawyer!

331873 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Paul, #783 of 1362 🔗

Vote early, vote often 😉

331608 JME, replying to JME, 31, #784 of 1362 🔗

Just seen an article in The Telegraph about the results of a recent BMA survey saying doctors are close to burnout with increasing rates of anxiety & depression. Must confess to completing that survey & stated I was suffering increased levels of anxiety & low mood compared to last year- this is totally down to the government’s (mis-) management of the Covid situation (NOT due to increased workload, which I have not seen as a GP). There was nowhere in the survey to expand on the reasons for these answers- just led me to wonder how many doctors may have had the same reasons as me for their worsening mood ( sadly, I don’t think we’ll never know).

331671 ▶▶ John001, replying to JME, 6, #785 of 1362 🔗

I plan to put my own mental state on record to my GP and offer to attend the surgery if they see fit. I can cope I’m pretty sure but why should I endure unwanted stress symptoms and low mood because the government has restricted my social life so much for 10 months? I went to a lot of interesting events in Feb 2020 with probably more virus particles floating around than there are now.

This treatment of children looks close to solitary confinement, i.e. torture
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/government-decision-to-lock-kids-up-in-solitary-confinement-control-coronavirus-in-prisons-is-cruel-labour-charges

331611 Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 2, #786 of 1362 🔗

A core training slide set for immunisation trainers is being made available on the PHE COVID-19 vaccination programme webpage. This slide set covers all the key aspects of the COVID-19 vaccine programme. Trainers should select the slides required depending on the background and experience of the healthcare workers they are training and according to the role they will have in delivering the COVID-19 vaccine programme. These can be used for locally run training sessions.

https://khub.net/documents/135939561/390853656/COVID+Core+training+slideset.pptx/99fdae1f-18fa-d245-10eb-7acf59e836ad?t=1606474747025

The additional checklist:

331619 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 2, #787 of 1362 🔗

I’m relieved to see diversity and fire safety are requirements.

331624 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Paul, 4, #788 of 1362 🔗

And radicalisation prevention

331672 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 2, #789 of 1362 🔗

Safeguarding children? They’re not (yet) supposed to be on the list!

331631 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 1, #790 of 1362 🔗

Look at slide 22 – that chart cannot be correct!

331657 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 1, #791 of 1362 🔗

Great to see the old “Select all of a dense, mostly text manual and paste it into Powerpoint – that’s how you do a presentation” technique being used to great effect, once again.

331668 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Sam Vimes, #792 of 1362 🔗

In school we used to call it it a “Wall of Text”

331620 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 21, #793 of 1362 🔗

Poland announces measures to fine social media companies that censor free speech
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-01-censoring-free-speech-will-be-fined-poland.html

331663 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Victoria, #794 of 1362 🔗

where did your other posts just go? about Neon and Sally Roberts? I was part way though reading them and they’ve disappeared? Are they being censored?

331666 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to watashi, #795 of 1362 🔗

I wondered also why Victoria’s posts are repeatedly down-ticked …

331678 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to kh1485, #796 of 1362 🔗

not just down ticked, they’ve actually disappeared right now in front of my eyes..weird..

331701 ▶▶▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to watashi, 1, #797 of 1362 🔗

I’ve just read them. Things move around as comments come in

331871 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to EllGee, #798 of 1362 🔗

I just read them now, too. 17.54 Saturday.

331676 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Victoria, #799 of 1362 🔗

the country which encourages Lgbt discrimination?
So does that include pro lgbt speech?
I guess social media has censored pro comments and that is why they want to insist on free speech. In the end, we want free speech, so is this to be supported?

331727 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Silke David, 1, #800 of 1362 🔗

I’m not familiar with Polish politics, though one is sceptical about their belief in freedom of speech – more likely they mean that views the Polish government agrees with are being censored and that’s what they don’t like

But if it temporarily puts a spanner in the works of the tech giants then maybe it’s a good thing

Places where freedom of speech, which includes the right to publicly disapprove of certain views and behaviours, as well as to defend it, and to offend people, is truly revered are vanishing

331623 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #801 of 1362 🔗

Google has a financial interest to push the pandemic and the covid-19 vaccine experiments
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-01-google-financial-interest-push-pandemic-vaccine-experiments.html

331636 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 3, #802 of 1362 🔗
331630 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 30, #803 of 1362 🔗

“Happy” new year.

I am totally defeated. People seem more brainwashed than ever.

My takeaways from 2020 is that none of us ever deserved any freedoms due to the way we gave them up so easily.

People would rather destroy their freedoms than take the risk of getting “the flu”.

If people never took risks in the past, we never would have had them in the first place.

There’s only one way out of this madness. I’ll give it another year, then I am giving up on life, it is no longer worth living.

331697 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to captainbeefheart, #805 of 1362 🔗

They’re both dead links for me, censored already?

331658 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #806 of 1362 🔗

For what it’s worth, always enjoyed your posts on here. What if instead, you plan to wait 357 days… and then fight like there’s nothing to lose?

331661 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #807 of 1362 🔗

‘none of us ever deserved any freedoms due to the way we gave them up so easily.’ This is exactly what Solzhenitsyn said in the Gulag Archipelago.

331665 ▶▶ DRW, replying to captainbeefheart, 8, #808 of 1362 🔗

I’ve been close to giving up already Captain, it’s only been the sceptic community that has kept me going.

331698 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #809 of 1362 🔗

I agree

331703 ▶▶ leggy, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #810 of 1362 🔗

Don’t go down without a fight – please. You’re one of the good guys.

331721 ▶▶ Annie, replying to captainbeefheart, 19, #811 of 1362 🔗

Bloody stop saying ‘we’.
I didn’t give up any freedoms.They were wrested from me by Fascist thugs.
I will get them back.
I will see the thugs hanging from lamp posts.
I am not a quitter.

332319 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, #812 of 1362 🔗

Churchill said it best: We shall never surrender.

331812 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #813 of 1362 🔗

I think most of us on here have been through the ‘dark night of the soul’ where we realised there was no going back to the ‘old normal’. However, you’ve got two options after that point. Give up in despair and end it all, or live to fight on. There’s no guarantee the second option will achieve anything, but there is an absolute guarantee the first option will achieve nothing.

331635 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #814 of 1362 🔗

Has anyone seen this bullshit? He was hospitalised 7 times!! This is obviously underlying health issues, but it goes with the scaremongering propaganda instead.

7 times…..lol, what a load of shite.

“ He was rehospitalized in April, May, June, July, August and September, requiring oxygen and intravenous antibiotics, potassium and magnesium”

Fucking hypochondriac.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/hospitalized-covid-19-then-hospitalized-130146859.html

331675 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #815 of 1362 🔗

not being a medically trained person, wondering if his brilliant doctors have ever tested him for fungus. often overlooked by “traditional” medicine.

331637 Cecil B, 10, #816 of 1362 🔗

Why subjugate a people using the police and army when you have the BBC?

331639 Londo Mollari, 2, #817 of 1362 🔗

Mad Lives Matter. Interesting article on the effects of Covid policy on mental health and its treatment. Toby and Will ought to cover this one-man protest at a GP surgery. https://www.rt.com/op-ed/511246-covid-mental-health-action-plan/

331642 b_sceptic, replying to b_sceptic, 5, #818 of 1362 🔗

Hi everyone.

What happened to the article from this morning about the vaccine.

Basically saying that the percentage increase the vaccine gave you against catching the virus was so small that it wasn’t worth the risk of getting complications from the vaccine itself.

Did I dream it?

331733 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to b_sceptic, 1, #819 of 1362 🔗

Can anyone else confirm ?

331810 ▶▶ guy153, replying to b_sceptic, -7, #820 of 1362 🔗

I think you might have dreamt it. The vaccines all work pretty well and do reduce your risk of Covid, severe Covid and death by a significant amount.

331817 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to guy153, #821 of 1362 🔗

Does that mean if I have the vaccine I have a reduced risk of death? Clever.

331992 ▶▶ b_sceptic, replying to b_sceptic, #822 of 1362 🔗

Fairly sure it was there as I don’t dream in such detail.

It was about the Pfizer trial. Vaccine and placebo group were 20,000 each. Can’t remember the numbers in each group which developed Covid but it worked out the percentage for each group. There wasn’t a great difference.

It then calculated the number of vaccinations required to avoid 1 infection which was 254 I seem to remember.

Conclude that the vaccination didn’t change one’s chances much but might make one very ill for this privilege!

It was there at about 8:00am this morning but gone at 10:00am.

Perhaps it was pulled because the maths was spurious?

332223 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to b_sceptic, #823 of 1362 🔗

I don’t remember it but yes your risk of dying of Covid is low to start with and even lower if you take the vaccine (probably).

So from that point of view one might ask why everyone is getting so exercised about it 🙂

Another point is that if we were really at 93% susceptible and have forestalled 500,000 deaths with restrictions (as I believe SAGE still officially claim) then the Oxford vaccine would prevent about 300,000 of those. 200k would still die.

Another point (forgetting SAGE for now) is that the herd immunity we already have has more power to prevent future deaths than the vaccine.

C19 prevalence in the UK now is about 1% or so, even in the winter. If we were fully susceptible but had a 62% efficacious vaccine we’d probably be peaking at a few times that.

This is why when you look at the trial numbers it’s 172 cases in one arm vs 8 in the other which is great, But 172 out of 20,000 even in the control arm makes you think why do we really need this vaccine again?

The vaccine is great and everything but there is no reason to panic and do crazy things like mix ‘n’ match with other vaccines etc. “because pandemic”.

331649 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #824 of 1362 🔗

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exclusive interview with Sally Roberts, the mother who found herself splattered and misrepresented all over the British press back in 2012 because she was convinced her son, Neon, should not be forced to have whole brain radiotherapy after having a brain tumour successfully removed by surgery. Eight years on, Sally has written a book on her and Neon’s story. The book is a revelation as well as an indictment of a cancer ‘care’ system that wasn’t, and often still isn’t, fit for purpose. We’ve included an hour long interview (and podcast) of Mel and my interview with Sally, recorded earlier this week.

In a Mother’s words: how the untouchable [NHS] cancer system fails our children
Long-time supporters of ANH will probably remember the articles we wrote back in 2012 and 2013 about the tragic case of abuse meted out by the UK’s NHS on a seven-year-old boy, Neon Roberts.

For our more recent readers, Neon was forced to have whole brain and spine radiation when his mother, Sally Roberts, found herself on the wrong side of the cancer establishment, the mainstream media and a legal system manipulated by the might of NHS oncologists. A mother’s overwhelming desire to do what she felt was best for her child was complicated by the fact that she was unable to present a united front with Neon’s father, Ben, who sided with the NHS. This left Sally to stand alone in a desperate bid to prevent her son being permanently damaged by an outdated form of radiation that was fully recognised to cause such collateral damage to a child’s brain it would prevent the vast majority of treated children from having a normal life. Agonisingly, Sally was fully aware, (as were we, hence our communications with Sally at that time), of a more appropriate treatment, proton beam therapy, which was available overseas, outside the NHS.

Sally had even raised the funds to have Neon flown over to the US for proton beam treatment. But this was stopped by the High Court on the advice of her NHS consultant, who eventually pushed the button to “fry the whole brain”. In another twist, one of the two proton beam machines in the UK landed up in London in this same consultant’s hospital, not long after he ‘fried’ Neon’s brain and spinal cord. He even tweeted about his excitement at going to “ proton school ” in readiness for the arrival of the new piece of kit.
One of the most shocking elements to this tragedy is that Neon’s medulloblastoma tumour had been fully surgically removed with a good tissue margin of healthy tissue around the site of the tumour. Thanks to his mother’s diligence and knowledge of supportive natural protocols for cancer, Neon was in good health and had made a full recovery from the surgery. The radiation could therefore have been deemed unnecessary, but NHS protocol demanded it be done alongside a year of highly toxic chemotherapy. It seems, the NHS, and its consultants, were not about to lose face to a mother’s whim. Especially not a whim that involved an integrated approach to oncology which included the use of natural methods.

Sally Roberts’ book, The Treatment: First Do No Harm , is just out, published by Matador in the UK following the lifting of a gagging order on her telling her story. It’s a labour of love that’s taken 8 years to write, but through her painstaking recount of what really took place, Sally has found healing — and herself again. It’s a book that needs to be read – not just by parents or cancer sufferers – but also because it strips away the veil of respectability that cloaks the darker side of the healthcare establishment. It’s also a book of our time. A gift, if you will, to remove any remaining blinkers about the power of mainstream medicine with the backing of one of the world’s most powerful industries as well as governments – all of which has a lot more to do with politics and economics than it has to do with citizens or their health.

https://youtu.be/sbvtseVN9ag

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/in-a-mothers-words-how-the-untouchable-cancer-system-fails-our-children/

331653 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #825 of 1362 🔗

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Sally’s story, in her own words
It’s almost exactly 8 years since we last spoke to Sally, when she was fighting for her maternal rights on behalf of her son in the High Court in London. The misjudgement of her in the court was the result of the judge’s blind reverence to NHS oncologists and the influence of mainstream media that used every opportunity to misrepresent Sally as a “ bonkers mother ” who was endangering the life of her son.

Sally felt she had little option than to disappear with her son, triggering a nationwide, media-frenzied national manhunt. When eventually tracked down by police, Neon was traumatically removed from her in the middle of the night. Not long after, he was forced by court order to have whole brain radiotherapy that Sally argued was unnecessary and was almost guaranteed, given the available evidence, to damage his brain and spinal cord. This happened while a media fanfare continued to claim incorrectly that Neon was gravely ill and would die without this treatment, that ended up causing damage that Neon will now live with for the rest of his life. From the NHS’ perspective, it will be recorded as a success, as the cancer has yet to return – even though there was none present at the time of his enforced irradiation. More than that, the risk of its recurrence is actually now increased, not decreased, because of the unnecessary irradiation.

However, what the headlines never revealed was that Sally’s disappearance was triggered by a callous, throw-away comment from the consultant in Bristol. This doctor told her that “ you have to fry the whole brain ” after surgical removal for a medulloblastoma – a comment he must, or should, surely regret. We can’t imagine any loving parent feeling differently at hearing these words. Her actions are completely understandable, however, no action has been taken against that consultant or any of the London-based team that carried out the radiation and chemotherapy subsequently. But Sally, Neon and his twin sister Elektra live each day with the consequences of these doctors’ actions.

In the light of the publication of her book, which makes reference to our work in helping to correct the misinformation perpetuated by the UK’s media, Rob and Mel interviewed Sally this week about her and Neon’s harrowing journey. Reading Sally’s story, in her own words, painstakingly crafted over several years, is nothing short of a revelation. It is a damning indictment of so-called conventional cancer care. And it is a travesty that a mother, who was the prime carer of her twin children, could have her parental rights so readily disregarded. Sally and Neon’s experience drives a coach and horses through one of the key principles in the NHS constitution , to ensure that services are “… coordinated around and tailored to, the needs and preferences of patients, their families and their carers .”

Watch below Rob and Mel’s interview with Sally Roberts recorded earlier this week
https://youtu.be/sbvtseVN9ag

331655 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #826 of 1362 🔗

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The domino effect
After traumatic incidents, friends and family often remind us that we only get to experience what we are able to handle. When you hear Sally speak and read her book, you will be left in no doubt as to the immense heart and strength of this woman. Not many of us would choose to experience what she has been through — and the manufactured character assassination to which she was subjected.

Sally’s life turned upside down in 2012, almost without warning. Whilst coping with her husband’s affair with a family friend in her house right under her nose, Sally was then faced with the diagnosis of Neon’s large medulloblastoma when he and his twin sister Elektra were just 7-years-old. With both kids to care for, one with cancer, she was forced into a house move from Devon to Brighton, with Neon also undergoing surgery in Bristol.
The relief that Neon’s surgery had gone so well was all too short lived when Sally was presented with the fact that within 42 days his operation, he would be subjected to whole brain and spine radiation followed by 12 months of chemotherapy. Not because he needed it, but because NHS protocol required it in case there were a few cancer cells still “ floating about ”.

Sally’s book illustrates vividly how a mother fought to the limits of her considerable abilities to do what was best for her son, while being so misrepresented and misunderstood by the media, as well as the medical and legal systems. The book does so much more than set the record straight. It emphasises that life is a journey, and it is the journey that makes us into who we are.

We hope that many of you take the opportunity to read this powerful, heartfelt and deeply moving book, as well as gifting it at this time of year to those you care about. Amongst the many messages it conveys, it reminds us of the importance of purpose in our lives, and it honours so profoundly the journey that changed the course of Neon and his family’s lives.
We also don’t doubt that the publication of Sally, Neon and Elektra’s story could change the course of the lives of others too.

Read our previous articles on Neon Roberts’ story:

331976 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Victoria, 2, #828 of 1362 🔗

I know two people now (over the years) who had tumours fully removed by surgery and made full recoveries. They did not require any further medical intervention. However, the NHS Consultant insisted they take chemotherapy ‘as a precaution’ and, both, under severe pressure from their families, agreed to it against their own better judgements. They were fit, fully recovered and at no risk. Now, I have never heard of chemotherapy being given ‘as a precaution’ – it’s a specific treatment. I looked into it a bit further and yes, guess what, for every chemotherapy treatment they give the NHS get additional government bonuses! Fuck the patients then. Both these people should still be alive and well today but they both died in less thank six months from the chemotherapy.

332320 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Jo Dominich, #829 of 1362 🔗

What’s the bonus for a physician who prescribes chemotherapy?

331651 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 16, #830 of 1362 🔗

That “blood on their hands” professor on the BBC a day or two ago, Montgomery. Turns out he sells PPE and so has a significant interest in oiling the fear machine

https://mobile.twitter.com/HowardSteen4/status/1345350785484398592

331654 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #831 of 1362 🔗

But he is spouting the government line so nothing will happen

331811 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #832 of 1362 🔗

Well well well.

331669 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 17, #833 of 1362 🔗

On my travels today, I went past a sign saying “Travelling to France. Covid Test Required”. This made me laugh and I will explain why.

First, I must ask you to ignore the fact that the only real reason to get a Covid test is that you have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth that we are in the midst of a deadly pandemic when of course we are not. What was so amusing about the sign, was not its content, rather its location.

If I had been driving in Kent I might have thought nothing of it, it might even have been considered useful information, but this sign was on the M6, and not only that, but on the Northbound carriageway.

It seemed to me to be an apt indicator of the state of madness that our nation has descended to.

Of course there may be more mundane reasons.

Perhaps it is some attempt at satire by the Highways Agency, although they are not widely known for this.

Perhaps instead it merely reflects my own tenuous grasp on current affairs, and the Gretna to Calais route is now the most popular way to travel to the continent. Far more bizarre things are happening right now for this not to be considered as a possibility.

331679 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Old Bill, 3, #834 of 1362 🔗

I saw the same sign on New Year’s Eve when travelling WESTWARDS on the M25 after the junction to the M11.

331681 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Stephanos, 2, #835 of 1362 🔗

At least it wasn’t a hallucination then.

331699 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Old Bill, 11, #836 of 1362 🔗

Similar signs in Bourdeaux.

“Voyagez à Manchester? Waterproof Required.”

331803 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Tee Ell, #837 of 1362 🔗

Vraiment monsiuer Ell.

331711 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Old Bill, 9, #838 of 1362 🔗

Owing to the ubiquity of GPS and the abolition of geography and mapreading
lessons in schools, most people now have no idea whatsoever where France is, or indeed where anywhere is.

331808 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Annie, 1, #839 of 1362 🔗

Remind me again, what are schools?

331740 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Old Bill, 4, #840 of 1362 🔗

Saw one motorway sign heading back on Monday: “SEVERE BORDER CONGESTION. EXPECT SEVERE DELAYS” This was Somerset, must have been the Welsh border.

331684 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #841 of 1362 🔗

Dear member

I have read false and alarmist press reports that you will only get one drink of Kool Aid

These are vicious rumours spread by non believers

You will definatly get your second dose of Kool Aid and more if you want it

(although I have a feeling two doses should be more than enough)

Jim Jones

Jonestown

331688 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Cecil B, 4, #842 of 1362 🔗

Jones was a public health fanatic as well.

331720 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, #843 of 1362 🔗

He left all his money to Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

331796 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cecil B, 2, #844 of 1362 🔗

Boris should start giving his press briefings from the vernandah of a wooden shack while wearing sunglasses. Talking into a tannoy system. ‘Oh my children….you have grieved me…line up for your vaccine my children…stop crying…hold them down, somebody!’ etc.

332321 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cranmer, #845 of 1362 🔗

comment image

Boris Badenov from Rocky & Bullwinkle

331689 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 7, #846 of 1362 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55511662

“Primary schools reopening: Call for remote learning as Covid cases rise”

I suggest (as if I had to) that the BBC append the words “as Covid cases rise” to every single article from now on.

With the PCR Ouija boards always at the ready, this apocalyptic pandemic can be guaranteed an indefinite run from now till the end of time.

331708 ▶▶ Julian, replying to George Mc, 4, #847 of 1362 🔗

If there were no calls they could easily manufacture some

“Pressure rising” = BBC want something to happen, ring round reliable rent-a-quotes until they find someone who agrees with them

331806 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Julian, 1, #848 of 1362 🔗

It’s the oldest trick in the book.

331798 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to George Mc, 2, #849 of 1362 🔗

the BBC append the words “as Covid cases rise” to every single article from now on.

Thought they did, but then thought again, 50% of their articles contain the words “as global temperatures rise”

331695 leggy, replying to leggy, 9, #850 of 1362 🔗

I’ve got to relay this story a friend passed on to me today as it pretty much sums up the whole testdemic. I’m sat here shaking my head!

So, a friend and his wife (mid 40s) got together with a party of seven adults plus four kids for Christmas dinner this year.

Friend’s younger brother has since developed flu like symptoms and is pretty rough apparently. Had a test before New Year which came back positive. So five of the remaining six adults have been off for brain swabs.

Friend’s brother’s girlfriend positive. Bit of a runny nose.

Friend positive – he has a bit of a sore throat and a runny nose that has developed since his test. Not even needing a Lemsip. Friend’s wife is also now getting the sniffles too. Wife’s test not back yet.

Friend’s Mum (no symptoms) test back negative. Friend’s Mum’s boyfriend (no symptoms – 80+ year old cancer survivor) test back positive.

So that’s 4 positives, 1 negative, 1 unknown.

The best of part all this is friend’s wife was laid up with for a week earlier this year with all the covid symptoms. Most ill she’s ever been apparently. Being quite flush, they forked out for private antibody tests (before they were prohibited!) – she was positive therefore I don’t see how she could catch it again – I await her test result with interest. He didn’t get ill back then and was negative anyway suggesting prior immunity given that they share the same bed.

Despite all of this, they’ve rushed off for tests and are now isolating. We knew this already, but it’s a kind of madness.

331704 ▶▶ watashi, replying to leggy, 3, #851 of 1362 🔗

Madness indeed. Is there even a ‘virus’? Do viruses even exist? I can recommend ‘The Contagion Myth’ by Dr. Thomas Cowan

331712 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to watashi, #852 of 1362 🔗

Ffs

331738 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #853 of 1362 🔗

PCR testing also/mainly picks up common cold.

Therefore any ” positive” test will only tell them what they already knew, they have some form of Coronavirus, with 25% false positive, that includes the ones who already have prior immunity or primed T cells and no symptoms and thats about it.

331804 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Nessimmersion, -2, #854 of 1362 🔗

No PCR won’t do that. You get false positives from contamination. You can’t get from other known HCoVs.

332135 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to guy153, #855 of 1362 🔗

Not what Dr Mike Yeadon says.
He states that if replication is greater than 30x ( NHS doing up to 45) then the test picks up dead DNA from colds years before and gives false positives.
This is on top of the false positives from poor lab practice.

332209 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Nessimmersion, #856 of 1362 🔗

He’s wrong. I’ve told him this and he has produced no evidence to back up his claim. There is no DNA in common between the primers used in SARS2 tests and any of the other known human coronaviruses.

There is one shared gene between SARS2 and SARS1 and that’s it. But the tests look for a match on more than one gene.

I have download the genomes myself and checked this.

331730 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to leggy, 7, #857 of 1362 🔗

you mention 2 people have a runny nose. So they have a cold. A common cold. Consequently the others would have a common cold.

331792 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Silke David, #858 of 1362 🔗

Exactly – I’m waiting with interest for the result of the lady who had a bad illness and positive antibody test earlier in the year!

331876 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, #859 of 1362 🔗

If its reinfection the BBC will need to be informed

331764 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to leggy, 3, #860 of 1362 🔗

People get colds in winter, shock horror, if that had happened to me I would not have bothered with a test and just stayed home with a lemsip if needed.

331793 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to liztr835, #861 of 1362 🔗

Indeed – not so much as a Lemsip even needed!

332050 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to liztr835, #862 of 1362 🔗

Me too

331707 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 22, #863 of 1362 🔗

Just enjoyed a good protest meeting at Holyrood. Sadly small, compared with September, but the cold didn’t help. Even more fun tweaking certain politicians’ noses just by being here. Maybe tempting fate saying that as I’m still in Scotland.

Even better, Saving Scotland has launched itself as a political party, and will stand in the Holywood election. And seen from the train, a glorious sunset, always a good omen for me. Soar Alba.

Now for the drive home.

331716 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #864 of 1362 🔗

Are “Saving Scotland” sceptics?

331790 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Nick Rose, #865 of 1362 🔗

Do the Saving Scotland people all drive Tesla’s and eat Mung Beans? If not they are sure as hell never going to win an election in Hollywood.

331809 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Old Bill, #866 of 1362 🔗

That’s autocorrect for you.

331709 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #867 of 1362 🔗

Au revoir mes amis – now this Del Boy offer really is the creme de la menthe….

331713 ▶▶ Annie, replying to godowneasy, #868 of 1362 🔗

I’ll buy it!

331710 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 27, #869 of 1362 🔗

The vaccine offers no way out. They will still say that their rules must be obeyed. Zero covid offers no way out. Zero today becomes ten “cases” tomorrow.

If I could solve this by setting myself on fire in a public place, I would. I might do it anyway. There is nothing to be gained from growing old in this world. Little or nothing to be gained from anything I hoped to achieve. Nothing to be enjoyed.

I hate them and will take any opportunity to do them harm.

There is only one way out. Revolution. Which is like throwing dice hoping for a double six, a thousand times in succession.

331715 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #870 of 1362 🔗

It’s bleak but I hope you will find something to be enjoyed – nature, food, sex, the company of true friends

Don’t let them win

I still don’t think they can get away with this forever as it is so against the human spirit

I know the Soviet empire lasted ages but while they interfered in life quite a lot, people were actually able to socialise. I don’t think anyone has tried abolishing fun in quite this depth since Cromwell

331786 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 13, #871 of 1362 🔗

Yes – while political freedom was heavily restricted in the Soviet era, they did at least have a thriving culture of the arts, sports, sciences etc; travel and leisure were possible and religious activity, even though frowned upon, was not restricted to the degree it is here in Britain today. Indeed after the Hungarian uprising, the Soviets flooded Hungary with money to make it the ‘happiest barrack’.

Our present shower of ars*eholes in power have not the foggiest idea how to run a dictatorship, even if they are getting their orders direct from…somewhere. A society starved of sports, entertainment, parties, gatherings, holidays etc will eventually fight back, especially when the money runs out.

331962 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Cranmer, 1, #872 of 1362 🔗

Oh so true. This lot haven’t got the brains or wherewithall to impose a Dictatorship, they can’t even act intelligently when it comes to the management of a seasonal respiratory virus!

331778 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #873 of 1362 🔗

Please don’t have suicidal thoughts. Tyrants don’t give a stuff if we all set ourselves on fire – it just means there are fewer opponents. The USA didn’t leave Vietnam because monks self-immolated, they left because they ran out of money and had to go off the Gold Standard to pay for it all. Similarly, this lockdown nonsense will only end when the money runs out.

332326 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #874 of 1362 🔗

Revolt not revolution.

331714 James Leary #KBF, 15, #875 of 1362 🔗

Now the WHO has lowered the bar for their definition of ‘Pandemic’, and now the government has legitimised lockdown as the way to deal with a bug – say flu next year, and has gotten away with converting ‘3 weeks to flatten the curve’ and made it into a year plus …. what do we have to do to get out of this? If there is an election in four years, I’d be surprised. This kicked off with five years in this country before asking the people again, and now four years in America, so the English speaking world is cucked Where will the Revolution start? Because start it must. This site sure as shit won’t be here by then.

331718 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #876 of 1362 🔗

From the scummy Edinburgh live website,

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/coronavirus-scotland-hundreds-contracted-covid-19552493

Hundreds caught the virus in the hospitals….but yet, the brainwashing & scaremongering propaganda continues.

Remember the flesh eating bug a few years ago, that people were catching when in the hospitals? There wasn’t an outcry about that & there doesn’t appear to be an outcry about this shit.

But hey, as long as the entire population is locked down, who cares eh?

Wankers.

332327 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to AnotherSceptic, #877 of 1362 🔗

Wankers Anonymous.

331729 neets22, replying to neets22, 6, #878 of 1362 🔗

It’s a no-brainer, surely? The pandemic has been with us for a year – most of us will have come into contact with it at some stage, and so are carrying around bits of COVID in our systems. Doesn’t mean to say we are ill or infectious. But of course it’s going to show up in PCR tests. But the tests are meaningless anyway – even the NHS website says that a
a positive test doesn’t necessarily mean that you have COVID – it could be any coronavirus, like a common cold or flu.

331802 ▶▶ Edward, replying to neets22, 2, #879 of 1362 🔗

In the summer there were occasional outbreaks of the virus among people working in cold storage places. In the current weather the whole country is effectively a cold storage place, so my conclusion is that the virus is spreading faster and more widely primarily for that reason, rather than because it’s a new variant. Still no reason for all the hysteria.

331912 ▶▶ John001, replying to neets22, #880 of 1362 🔗

Please note, flu is *not* a coronavirus.

331732 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 26, #881 of 1362 🔗

Spanish police – “policia por la libertad” – joining anti-tyranny demos.

I’ll call it a night on this very faintly optimistic note.

https://youtu.be/lkbKXyn4Syc

331757 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #882 of 1362 🔗

Come back soon please!

332328 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #883 of 1362 🔗

Now we’re talking turkey.

331734 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 21, #884 of 1362 🔗

I was informed today that my nearly-86 year-old mother, who has advanced Alzheimer’s, has tested positive for CV19.
Several members of staff had tested positive a couple of weeks ago, then some of the care home residents. The home has been barrier nursing and keeping the residents in their rooms as far as possible, certainly keeping infected and non-infected apart.
Hasn’t worked, clearly.

My mum is nor showing any symptoms, apart from lethargy, and no raised temperature. And that’s apparently been the same with the other residents who tested positive. None have had breathing difficulties, just a cough. Only one has needed to go to hospital, and I don’t think any of them has died.
Interesting.

331743 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to LMS2, 15, #885 of 1362 🔗

Trying to eradicate Covid is like trying to hold back time. The best one can do is to boost the immune system with high dosage of Vitamin C D and zinc. This is something all care homes should be doing.

332048 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Bella Donna, #886 of 1362 🔗

Exactly

331761 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to LMS2, 5, #887 of 1362 🔗

First off, I hope your mom is OK. I think we forget that even though the elderly are at 1000 times more risk of dying than those under 70, even they survive Covid 95% of the time. I think your anecdote supports this reality.

331866 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #888 of 1362 🔗

Thanks.
The care home only contacted us today, and so far, so good.

331767 ▶▶ Felice, replying to LMS2, 3, #889 of 1362 🔗

It is really encouraging how many very elderly people are hardly affected when they catch the virus this time round.
An 80 year frail lady we know, caught it in hospital in November, having been admitted after a fall. Spent most of the time asleep (and is still tired) and lost her sense of taste – she said that all the food tasted the same (but that might just have been hospital food for you!!!)

331774 ▶▶ TomFaz, replying to LMS2, 3, #890 of 1362 🔗

Best wishes to your mother. My mum, slightly older, tested positive in her care home just before Christmas. She basically slept for a week, no fever or breathing difficulties, and has now recovered – that is to where she was a few weeks ago, well below where she was in March. Nine months without proper family contact or physiotherapy have not been good. Her care home escaped the spring massacres but the virus got in at the beginning of December – during a period of full lockdown – and quickly spread around despite inmates residents self-isolating in their rooms, staff in full PPE etc. A number of deaths have been reported in local media, although the role of the virus in them will probably never be known.

331928 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to LMS2, #891 of 1362 🔗

In my mother’s care home, my first window visit last week was cancelled as 3 or 4 residents have been tested positive, but all still remain well and symptom free, reportedly. No staff positive though. However, they cannot give me a date when visits can resume..

331934 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to TJS123, #892 of 1362 🔗

I’m so sorry. It’s just cruel that you can’t see your mom in person, let alone through a window. While my grandmother was almost 101, she expressed to my mom that she no longer had the will to live and couldn’t survive that existence for much longer. She died a few weeks later of pneumonia. At her age, her death was not a tragedy, but I have to assume that the vast majority of residents in care homes would, if given the choice, prefer to take their chances and stop the lockdown and be able to resume visits with loved ones.

331735 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 15, #893 of 1362 🔗

Rumour I heard – BBC are going to pull down the statue of George Orwell on their premises and replace it with one of Howard Hughes. By the statue will be an inscription with the inspiring words: “Live every day as though it is your last unless you wipe down all surfaces with Kleenex tissue and a spot of disinfectant.”

Remember the BBC motto: Fear is our goal.

331787 ▶▶ Alice, replying to OKUK, 1, #894 of 1362 🔗

Yes, Howard Hughes – patron saint and role model for the 21st century!

332330 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Alice, #895 of 1362 🔗

Why not Michael Jackson? He was a germophobe.

331737 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 43, #896 of 1362 🔗

Just complained to the BBC about the matron who falsely claimed hospitals are full of children with Covid (also complained last night about that tosser who claimed people who don’t wear masks have blood on their hands). Will achieve nothing but was therapeutic nonetheless!

331748 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to nocheesegromit, 5, #897 of 1362 🔗

Well done!

331760 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to OKUK, 12, #898 of 1362 🔗

Someone posted earlier that ‘blood on their hands’ guy owns his very own PPE and medical supplies company.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12385829

331930 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Wolver, 1, #899 of 1362 🔗

Venal as well as vile.

331756 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to nocheesegromit, 17, #900 of 1362 🔗

I also complained to Bolshie Broadcasting Cesspit about that Huge tosser/blood-on-their hands bloke. The more that do, the more positive the energy that is pushed in that direction. Ignoring people really is not a choice now.

331775 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to HelenaHancart, 6, #901 of 1362 🔗

I applaud you doing so Helena, but it is a bit like asking the Devil to turn the thermostat down.

331794 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to HelenaHancart, 7, #902 of 1362 🔗

Aahhh…but they hide behind the “we are an impartial broadcaster” shite. I know because about 3 months or so ago I fired off a complaint about them being biased in their reporting of the virus nonsense.
Took them about 3 weeks to reply back, but it was a load of rubbish they replied back, didn’t agree with my complaint etc.
Fucking morons.

331805 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #903 of 1362 🔗

I sense a groundswell of opinion that the BBC is full of shit – even amongst the zombies

331814 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #904 of 1362 🔗

Well done to you and Helena for complaining. We need to be more vocal now.

331828 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #905 of 1362 🔗

I’ve complained about the gibbering Prof. to the BBC, the Chair of his Hospital Trust, and the BMA. If he receives enough pinpricks maybe he’ll feel one eventually through his thick hide!

331925 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #906 of 1362 🔗

If it’s a nurse, she can be reported to the NMC (Nursing and Midwifery Council) and they will be obliged to investigate.

331741 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 4, #907 of 1362 🔗

Breaking News:
Education and Health to merge. Williams and Hancock announce schools to close and reopen as vaccination centres.

331752 ▶▶ DRW, replying to PatrickF, 4, #908 of 1362 🔗

When my university “donated” buildings as fully signaged NHS centres the eventual purpose was obvious.

331820 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to PatrickF, 2, #909 of 1362 🔗

Don’t joke about such things.
You’ll give them ideas.

331742 houdini, replying to houdini, 31, #910 of 1362 🔗

Lively rally and march through Shrewsbury today ,decent turnout & some good support from High street businesses but head shaking from the cult of Covid outdoor mask wearers.
Always funny when they try to argue through a mask !
Very peaceful and I only saw a couple of policemen all day .

331744 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to houdini, 3, #911 of 1362 🔗

Well done!

332043 ▶▶ Janette, replying to houdini, 1, #912 of 1362 🔗

Excellent and I bet you feel better for it. I certainly did when I went on our protest. It just felt so good reconnecting with people who also shared our views.

331745 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 17, #913 of 1362 🔗

No. It’s not “because of Covid, I can’t do.”
It’s “because of the Government’s lockdown, I can’t do.”

331751 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to PatrickF, 13, #914 of 1362 🔗

Indeed, I never miss a chance to put the blame for all this at the government’s door whenever someone says ” … because of the virus …”.

331801 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 10, #915 of 1362 🔗

Yep. I always correct people when they say “its the virus” and I don’t think many of them like it one bit when I do that.

331749 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 16, #916 of 1362 🔗

A reader asked the other day about anti-lockdown charities/groups. I didn’t have my list to hand but here are some ones I have been in touch with/donated to. I won’t post all links but you can find easily on a web search:

  1. John’s Campaign – pressure group to allow family visits to care homes
  2. Fight the Fines UK – crowdfunding group to raise money to help those arrested/fined for breaking lockdown diktats
  3. The People’s Brexit – group set up originally to campaign for Brexit, now raising money to fight lockdowns – can be found at crowdjustice.com
  4. Unlock GB (unlock-gb.co.uk). Campaign group led by undergraduates but open to all opposed to lockdowns.
  5. Back to Normal – https://my-sgf.co.uk/ – leafleting campaign group
  6. The Freedom Network – local community groups opposed to lockdown. This is a particularly important one because if lockdowns are part of a wider plan to impose totalitarian rule (I’m not saying they are, but IF), we will need to contact allies in our area offline, as online resistance will likely be clamped down upon.
  7. PCR Claims.co.uk – legal group gathering evidence for class action suits, negligence claims etc re lockdown. This is a good one as we need a multi-pronged attack, not just one case such as Dolan v. Crown which can just be crushed.
331836 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cranmer, 2, #917 of 1362 🔗

Also KeepBritainFree, SaveOurRights and StandupX.

331864 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, 3, #918 of 1362 🔗

And these three:

https://nationalalliance.org.uk/

https://www.covid19assembly.org/

https://timeforrecovery.org/

None of these organisations seem to have much of a budget though

We’re competing with UK and world governments with immense resources and armies of lawyers and nudge units. Having the truth on our side isn’t enough – it needs to be put in front of millions as relentlessly as the government lies

331997 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 1, #919 of 1362 🔗

Thanks for this. Really, these groups need to combine into a political party. It looked for a while as if Farage was going to lead one but he seems to have backed down slightly – perhaps because of Brexit leading the headlines briefly, but perhaps because he realises the extent of love for lockdowns in the general public.

331753 swedenborg, 14, #920 of 1362 🔗

This is quite important. No more spread among children compared to adults in this variant strain. See last link

BBC=Fake news spreading highly alarming news that children are more admitted now.

 https://twitter.com/Damian_Roland/status/1345366410386681856


https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1345350165767614464

331755 Silke David, 6, #921 of 1362 🔗

My local Nextdoor: 27 comments so far from “concerned” parents who do not want to send their primary school kids back on Monday.
Heaven help.
I unfortunately live in a very blue town with a career MP in the health dept.

331758 Annie, 7, #922 of 1362 🔗

To Welsh shops and hospitality businesses: some advice from King Gama.

Perhaps if you obey the Drakeford
Most supinely, most supinely,
Cringe and grovel to the Drakeford
Most supinely, most supinely,
Blot out face, smear hands with goo,
There may be some hope for you –
But your grovelling you must do
Most supinely, most supinely, most supinely.

Now, when you’ve obeyed the Drakeford
Most supinely, most supinely,
Thought that you could trust the Drakeford
Most supinely, most supinely,
Gibbering in abject fear,
Seen your business disappear,
Think that he will shed a tear?
Most unlikely, most unlikely, most unlikely.

After Princess Ida

331759 l835, replying to l835, 65, #923 of 1362 🔗

Lidl lunacy. I went to pay for some cheese, it was £3.14 and offered the lump behind the bullet proof screen £3.15 in coins. “Have you got anything larger” she asked. “No, why?” I replied. “I don’t like touching coins” she said. In my mind I wondered a) why work on a checkout then, and b) you’d rather have notes rather than the proven virus killing properties of copper and nickel coins? But anyway…

She then jabbed the counter and demanded I spread the coins out. This was followed by her removing her fingerless gloves, applying sanitiser and moving each coin individually into the till drawer with a finger tip. Normally I wouldn’t bother with 1p change, but I made her fish one out, which I dropped into the charity box.

I can’t wait for the vaccine rollout and for these people to become extinct.

331762 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to l835, 18, #924 of 1362 🔗

Unbelievable. What a silly cow.

331771 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to l835, 11, #925 of 1362 🔗

So, how does she give you the change? Like £1.66 is about the same amount of coins. Does her cash till have an amazing coin sanitizing built in?

331776 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Silke David, 13, #926 of 1362 🔗

In a similar vein, I often raise eyebrows in shops by checking any notes I’m handed back for forgeries whenever the notes I hand over have been checked similarly.

331791 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to leggy, 4, #927 of 1362 🔗

Same here – hold it up to check the watermark and metal strip, though these don’t seem to be in any of the notes in my possession – maybe they’re all fakes. Or more likely the plastic ones don’t have those features.

331781 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Silke David, 2, #928 of 1362 🔗

I expect she will be equipped with tweezers for that purpose next time!!

331773 ▶▶ leggy, replying to l835, 7, #929 of 1362 🔗

Given we’re facing the plague again(!), I’m surprised at the lack of bowls full of vinegar where we can transact our coinage.

331799 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to l835, 4, #930 of 1362 🔗

Neurotic weirdo. Next time I’ll imagine that she’ll be holding up a cup like homeless people to catch coins.

331822 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to l835, 1, #931 of 1362 🔗

They used to wash coins in vinegar during the plague.Maybe suggest it to the cashier next time.

331834 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #932 of 1362 🔗

Just breath on the coins and rub them down with your hankie before handing them over.

331847 ▶▶ danny, replying to l835, 7, #933 of 1362 🔗

One that really irritate idiots like that is to pull a very concerned face and say “poor you, it must be awful to be that frightened. Really hope you feel better soon. You can do it. Just be really really brave” or words to that effect.

332037 ▶▶ Janette, replying to l835, 2, #934 of 1362 🔗

I had a similar experience when I caught the bus into town a couple of weeks ago. I paid with coins and the driver produced what looked like a poop scoop and I had to put the money into it and then he scooped it into a bag. Absolutely pathetic!

332052 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to l835, 1, #935 of 1362 🔗

yes at moments like these you get where Bill Gates is coming from

331763 AnotherSceptic, 2, #936 of 1362 🔗

I really can’t help myself. Brainwashed arseholes!!

Comments I mean.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/scots-who-received-vaccine-second-19551005

331765 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 24, #937 of 1362 🔗

And people are surprised that they are busy?

https://twitter.com/NLeespeaking/status/1345007533589729280

UK population: 2000: 59 million. 2020: 67 million. Increase of 14%.

 Hospital beds: 2000: 240,000. 2020: 160,000. Decrease of 33%

331772 ▶▶ leggy, replying to swedenborg, 5, #938 of 1362 🔗

If you went back another 10 years, you’d see 300,000 beds too.

331795 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 8, #939 of 1362 🔗

While the population has got older…

331884 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #940 of 1362 🔗

Is that including the Covid bed removals? In Northern Ireland 7300 beds 10 years ago has become around 5300.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/388589/available-hospital-beds-in-northern-ireland/

The daily Covid Dashboard says this now sits at 2800 approx.

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9

Lowest ICU per head in Europe too. Massive waiting lists even pre Covid. Something mad like 1 in 10 of the population is on a waiting list.

331766 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 42, #941 of 1362 🔗

Met my first Covid vigilante yesterday. Drove a few miles into the country to a well known local beauty spot/village. A masked man approached me in the car park. Dialogue went something like this:

‘Good morning. Do you live here?’
‘Morning. No, just here for a walk.’
‘You really shouldn’t be here you know.’
‘Why not?’
‘We’ve been trying to get the council to close this road off. Too many people are coming here.’
‘I think it’ll be alright.’
‘Well, this place is rife with Covid (he pronounced it ‘Corvid’). It’s worse than London!’
‘I’m not too worried about all that. Thanks for the warning though!’
‘Alright, well I’ve said my piece, and now I’ll mind my own business.’
‘Good for you. Goodbye!’

He wasn’t aggressive or rude – more like a sort of ‘concerned citizen making it my business’ act – and when he saw I wasn’t bothered he tried to turn into into ‘friendly warning for my own safety’.

What a country we have become!

331769 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cranmer, 11, #942 of 1362 🔗

“There be witches!”

331770 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #943 of 1362 🔗

Yes it was rather like that. Especially as it was a part of East Anglia well known for witch-burnings in the old days.

331780 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Cranmer, 7, #944 of 1362 🔗

“We don’t like strangers in this town”.

331788 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Edward, 10, #945 of 1362 🔗

Local shops for local people!

332032 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #946 of 1362 🔗

Hahaha

331789 ▶▶ mj, replying to Cranmer, 21, #947 of 1362 🔗

are you local???

331797 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cranmer, 5, #948 of 1362 🔗

How does he know that his area is worse than London?

Possibly making stuff up.

331832 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #949 of 1362 🔗

I actually wanted to ask him a lot of questions. But to get into a debate would probably play into his ideas of there being a big dangerous epidemic around that he was trying to control. I decided it was better to treat him as if he were warning me about dog muck on the path or something.

331840 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cranmer, 2, #950 of 1362 🔗

I would have done the same if I were you.

331824 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Cranmer, 5, #951 of 1362 🔗

Immigrants! Coming over here, spreading our Covid

331853 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Cranmer, 4, #952 of 1362 🔗

Well done, mate.

‘Alright, well I’ve said my piece, and now I’ll mind my own business.’

The absurdity here is a thing to behold. The one thing he *didn’t* do is mind his own business, instead he is of those busy types who chooses to *interfere in others’ business*.

So after he’s interfered in your business, he’ll then mind his own business… Let the absurdity sink in.

332031 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Cranmer, 1, #953 of 1362 🔗

It’s ridiculous

332035 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cranmer, 1, #954 of 1362 🔗

So much for “we’re all in this together”

331768 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 9, #955 of 1362 🔗

Aren’t the new Fact Checkers fantastic? Don’t you feel safe and protected by our wonderful, selfless guardians? They care about us, are utterly independent, impartial and objective, and there’s nothing at all creepy, inappropriate and Orwellian about our marvellously named protectors and ministers of Truth: our benevolent Fact Checkers:

https://youtu.be/mjZR6Htma18

331784 ▶▶ l835, replying to common conservative, 8, #956 of 1362 🔗

I like to report all the government ads on Facebook as sexually inappropriate. Give the guardians something to do!

331779 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 18, #957 of 1362 🔗

Mix and match vaccines – I know this has been covered already, but found this New Times article published a few hours ago. This is peak madness surely?

Britain Opens Door to Mix-and-Match Vaccinations, Worrying Experts https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain.html

A few extracts (my emphasis):

  • Amid a sputtering vaccine rollout and fears of a new and potentially more transmissible variant of the coronavirus, Britain has quietly updated its vaccination playbook to allow for a mix-and-match vaccine regimen . If a second dose of the vaccine a patient originally received isn’t available, or if the manufacturer of the first shot isn’t known, another vaccine may be substituted, health officials said.
  • Some scientists say Britain is gambling with its new guidance. “ There are no data on this idea whatsoever,” said John Moore, a vaccine expert at Cornell University. Officials in Britain “seem to have abandoned science completely now and are just trying to guess their way out of a mess.”
  • It is far from certain that the vaccines are interchangeable, several researchers said. “ None of this is being data driven right now ,” said Dr. Phyllis Tien, an infectious disease physician at the University of California, San Francisco. “We’re kind of in this Wild West.”
  • An official at Public Health England on Saturday noted the similarities between the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines….. but.the vaccines impart their immunological lessons through different methods, and do not contain equivalent ingredients .
331783 ▶▶ watashi, replying to godowneasy, 14, #958 of 1362 🔗

Shocking stuff. live human experimentation. crimes against humanity?

331953 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to watashi, #959 of 1362 🔗

Pure Mengele no more no less.

331823 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to godowneasy, 16, #960 of 1362 🔗

Yes, British officials ‘seem to have abandoned science completely and are just trying to guess their way out of a mess’ – you can say that again! This is not just limited to Britain, however. 2020 was the year science died, along with rational, critical thought in general.

331827 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to godowneasy, 8, #961 of 1362 🔗

Thanks for the link.Excellent news.
Dr Fauci also says no to the British new invention. There is now a big split in the Transatlantic Medical Establishment alliance which can only be good news for us exposing the incompetence and hysteria in the UK response.

331908 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to swedenborg, #962 of 1362 🔗

Yes but as we know from his dubious history Fauci flip flops a lot

332030 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to swedenborg, #963 of 1362 🔗

Let’s hope so. This madness has to end.

331831 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to godowneasy, 5, #964 of 1362 🔗

And the same people are still in denial of the various proven treatments

331854 ▶▶ Julian, replying to godowneasy, 3, #965 of 1362 🔗

I’ve written to my MP to ask her about this

She always pushes the government line but I hope this will ramp up her shame levels a bit

I think it’s fertile ground for those who oppose the government

331782 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #966 of 1362 🔗

I found this link here, and I’ve nearly finished watching it. If you have an hour to spare, do watch it – it’s our own peerless Mike Yeadon. At about 47 mins on he speaks about the vaccine. And who, if not he, knows more about this subject?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7cJSUIHyO7Ad/

331785 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Banjones, 1, #967 of 1362 🔗

That’s a really excellent video, I watched it yesterday – check out his comment at the end, it’s the first time I’ve ever heard him swear!

332026 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Banjones, 1, #968 of 1362 🔗

Mike Yeadon is absolutely fantastic. It’s definitely worth a watch.

331800 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 13, #969 of 1362 🔗

From 30 minutes ago,

Ireland Covid cases surge as health official warns virus is ‘absolutely rampant’

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/ireland-covid-cases-surge-health-043326770.html

Oh well…we are all dooooooomed 😱

The propaganda is being ramped up for 2021.
Arseholes.

331813 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #970 of 1362 🔗

Its going to make the potato blight look like picnic in the park. Except now there is nowhere to escape to.

331826 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #971 of 1362 🔗

How do they explain no excess deaths this in Ireland this year?

331835 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #972 of 1362 🔗

Cos of the sacred lockdowns of course (!!!)

331865 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #973 of 1362 🔗

Yep, just imagine how bad it could have been without them.

331837 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #974 of 1362 🔗

I have no idea? But then again, it appears they also have no idea.

331906 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #975 of 1362 🔗

Whatever they’ve done, it stops at the border. 😜

331807 David101, 29, #976 of 1362 🔗

A few things I predicted happening as far back as Summer this year:

  1. Infection rate would have risen sharply by the time winter came around. This happens every year owing to a cocktail of winter-related factors, i.e. viruses replicating and transmitting more frequently in cold climate, people drinks less water, get less Vitamin D, many probably drink more alcohol and live more sedentary indoor lifestyles; all these contribute to the dulling of our immune responses and leave us more susceptible to illness.
  2. Testing was going to spread like wildfire (which it has) and the subsequent reporting of “case” counts without context would lead the media to go bananas, screaming apocalyptic headlines at people, since their regulators have probably briefed them to report in line with the SAGE psychologists’ panic-generating policy.
  3. People would further distort the facts by spreading the “official word on the street”, which consists of unbalanced statistics, government-biased reporting and facts without context, to their social circles, creating a resurgent pandemic of fear, and short-term, irrational panic-thinking.

Combine 1, 2 and 3, and you have the perfect recipe for hysteria over the illusion of a “second wave”, when in fact viruses don’t do “waves” and the NHS is coping as well as it has in any of its annual crises in the past decade!

331818 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, #977 of 1362 🔗

Do we have the full stats for annual deaths in Sweden yet?

331830 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #978 of 1362 🔗

I don’t think so, but yes we shoould be getting full annual figures soon from many countries.

331845 ▶▶ DRW, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #979 of 1362 🔗

Had a look on Stats Sweden, those should be released 22nd February.

331856 ▶▶ stewart, replying to nocheesegromit, 6, #980 of 1362 🔗

The England and Wales ones will be out shortly.

Preview: And extra 0.1% of the population have died this year compared to last. About the level of mortality of 2003.

Don’t expect to see the media talk much about that, though

331887 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, 5, #981 of 1362 🔗

Over time you’d expect mortality to decline with advances in medical care and nutrition, though this hasn’t been the case in the US in recent years – but the general trend would be down

However there will be fluctuations, of which this year’s “excess” deaths partly due to covid is one

I wonder if I will live to see mainstream acceptance of what’s obvious to us – that society has lost all sense of rational proportion over covid

331819 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 22, #982 of 1362 🔗

Loved the Poppins song. I’d also written a version which we were going to record, but Mary Coffins has been on the sherry for too long. So I’ll leave this here, if you fancy a sing a long…

Stupidcovidlockdownrulesthey’reallaloadofbollocks

Even though it’s making us all alcoholics
If you say it loud enough, you’ll soon be on a detox

Stupidcovidlockdownrulesthey’reallaloadofbollocks

Um didle didle, idle Um didle I
Um didle didle, idle Um didle I
Um didle didle, idle Um didle I
Um didle didle, idle Um didle I

The Professor making models wrong, he does it all the time
Few years ago he f*%*$d it up, we murdered all the swine
Then one March he made sum sums and everybody froze
The biggest turd you ever heard and this is how it goes

Ohhh

Stupidcovidlockdownrulesthey’reallaloadofbollocks

Even though it’s making us all alcoholics
If you say it loud enough, you’ll soon be on a detox

Stupidcovidlockdownrulesthey’reallaloadofbollocks

Um didle didle, idle Um didle I
Um didle didle, idle Um didle I
ohh…
Um didle didle, idle Um didle I
Um didle didle, idle Um didle I

Don’t even know you’ve got it and you have to have a test
They’ll close the pubs and restaurants and you cannot protest
With governments and quangos, they have taken all control
Can’t hug your gran, but you can go and fight for loo roll

Oh..

Stupidcovidlockdownrulesthey’reallaloadofbollocks

Even though it’s making us all alcoholics
If you say it loud enough, you’ll soon be on a detox

Stupidcovidlockdownrulesthey’reallaloadofbollocks

Um didle didle, idle Um didle I
Um didle didle, idle Um didle I

See, if you say it backwards Skollob fodaol allear’ yehtsel urnwodk coldivocdipus, it doesn’t quite ring.

We’ve washed our hands in chemicals, til they are sparkling clean
Bill Gates will come and save us all, with a very safe vaccine

… Oh, Say Bert, will you be getting the jab by the way? See I’m really not too sure?
..Oooh, well that’s me out you see..think I’d rather lay low, than die of the cure

Stupidcovidlockdownrulesthey’reallaloadofbollocks

Stupidcovidlockdownrulesthey’reallaloadofbollocks

Stupidcovidlockdownrulesthey’reallaloadofbollocks

Stupidcovidlockdownrules…they’re all a ..load.. of …BOLLOCKS!

331825 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #983 of 1362 🔗

Excellent. I hope Mr Young can collect all the song/hymn parodies we’ve had on here!

331829 garry a, replying to garry a, 19, #984 of 1362 🔗

Quick question. There are 57,000 new cases today. The ONS say the percentage who test positive is circa 1%. That means that you’d need to test 5.7 million people for those numbers to be correct – 8% of the population getting tested very day. What am I missing?

331843 ▶▶ leggy, replying to garry a, 6, #985 of 1362 🔗

You’re missing a good dose of brainwashing and statistical manipulation it seems.

331848 ▶▶ Julian, replying to garry a, #986 of 1362 🔗

Do you have a link for the 1% figure you quote from the ONS?

331870 ▶▶▶ garry a, replying to Julian, -1, #987 of 1362 🔗
331874 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to garry a, 1, #988 of 1362 🔗

Thanks

I think the answer is what A. Contrarian has kindly just posted in this thread

331867 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to garry a, 4, #989 of 1362 🔗

The % of people testing positive is much higher than 1% (close to 20% in some areas I believe). The ONS 1% (if it is currently 1% – I haven’t checked) applies to the whole population (random population testing) and not the people coming forward for tests. You are more likely to be symptomatic if you are voluntarily going to be tested, therefore the % testing positive will be higher than for the population as a whole.

331882 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #990 of 1362 🔗

Yes indeed this makes sense

1% of population is very close what the covid symptom study says: https://covid.joinzoe.com/data#interactive-map

672,959people are currently predicted to have symptomatic COVID in the UK

331898 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Julian, 1, #991 of 1362 🔗

Covid worldometer says 2.6m cases . How many have had it but not included in those figures? Every case is one closer to (whisper it) herd immunity,

331950 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to garry a, #992 of 1362 🔗

A vaccine!

331833 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 8, #993 of 1362 🔗

As soon as the announcer says, here is a public information film from the U.K. government I have to switch off. Previous public information films (really propaganda) were concerned with surviving nuclear explosion Protect and Survive in the U.K. or duck and cover in the USA.

331841 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to p02099003, 10, #994 of 1362 🔗

All for the same purpose – to instill fear in the public.

Relatedly I can’t believe public information films are still a thing – I’m 23 and can’t recall ever seeing one in my lifetime. But apparently Covid is the same level of threat as nuclear war.

331850 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to nocheesegromit, 7, #995 of 1362 🔗

apparently Covid is the same level of threat as nuclear war

Strangely though we were allowed to protest against the latter.

331851 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #996 of 1362 🔗

After the communist bloc collapsed there was no need for them. Protect and Survive was around until the early 80’s. Then along came the HIV/AIDS pandemic with similar public information films.

331857 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #997 of 1362 🔗

Sod graphs, The Clown Show should do the old school Nurofen of Doom!

332256 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to p02099003, 2, #998 of 1362 🔗

Funnily enough the ‘Protect and Survive’ advice – to shelter from fallout by sitting under the kitchen table – seems to have inspired the equally robust ‘face coverings’ response to the ‘killer virus’…

331838 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 31, #999 of 1362 🔗

Something really must be done regarding the lawless attitude of certain individuals in my area, last night it was the turn of a shop owner famous for bad mouthing persons not wearing a muzzle in his presence..well the front window was put in,and stock destroyed in what can only be described an orgy of destruction i really do despair for the poor man…

331893 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1000 of 1362 🔗

So ye sow, so shall ye reap.

331895 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1001 of 1362 🔗

What type of business and roughly which area please?

331900 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1002 of 1362 🔗

I should say that he hasn’t got a business now.

331948 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1003 of 1362 🔗

Bruce, you really must stop bulk orders of those balaclavas!! They’ll be on to you!

331839 danny, replying to danny, 42, #1004 of 1362 🔗

The media seem to have started a new trend in the last few days of giving public platforms to the deranged rants of GPs, who freely accuse people they’ve never met of murder, sans mask.
I have written to the BMA to request an investigation into the professional conduct of one of them, and I would urge everyone to do the same.
That a doctor presumably trained in psychology and with at least a passing awareness of things like self harm, isolation and suicide, should accuse random strangers (to whom he owes a duty of care) of complicity in murder, is beyond reprehensible.

331842 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to danny, 4, #1005 of 1362 🔗

It should be the GMC rather than the BMA. The former is the regulatory body whereas the latter is their trade union.

331939 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to p02099003, 1, #1006 of 1362 🔗

I am sure the GMC will come down hard on any doctor a voices even a bat-squeak of scepticism about the vaccine of the efficacy of masks.

331844 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to danny, 2, #1007 of 1362 🔗

Led by the child catcher guy

331894 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #1008 of 1362 🔗

What’s he? Special ops syringe division?

331943 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Noumenon, 2, #1009 of 1362 🔗

TSG Medical Auxillary Unit – for the ones who won’t come quietly.

331946 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to danny, 6, #1010 of 1362 🔗

I’ve got the first working draft of a FTP complaint to the GMC. Someone posted on here his having started a PPE company in January 2020. I am going to include that. Hopefully, I will have a final document by tomorrow evening so that I can e-mail it to Toby/Will and to the GMC.

332045 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to danny, 5, #1011 of 1362 🔗

I have no respect for doctors or health workers any more. when I get ill in future I will pick some dock leaves or die in my bed. I want nothing to do with the whole bunch of liars and charlatans.

331846 garry a, replying to garry a, 23, #1012 of 1362 🔗

Just read an article on the national lottery. They create a new millionaire every day of the year here in the uk. That annual 365 total is very close to the number of healthy under 60 year olds killed by covid. So the chance of becoming a lottery millionaire are about the same as dying of covid.

332252 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to garry a, #1013 of 1362 🔗

Remember when the lottery slogan went from ‘It could be you’ to ‘Maybe, just maybe’ – when people started to realise that it probably wouldn’t be them!

331852 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 16, #1014 of 1362 🔗

Has anyone seen this shite?

The doctor is a fucking woke dickhead. The majority of the people on his Twitter unfortunately seem to agree with him. Apart from one woman who’s friend died of cancer because of their treatment getting put off because of this shit. Someone has also posted on this cunt doctor’s Twitter, a tik-tok video of the nurses playing on a games console, when they are supposed to be “overwhelmed”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/doctor-tells-heartbreak-crowd-shouted-112819064.html

I’m with the crowd, they are correct.

331944 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1015 of 1362 🔗

You know, I’m rather glad he posted it. We must remember that social media is not representative of the real world it is largely representative of people stuck in their rooms on their computers day in day out who have nothing at all better to do in life than to sit in judgement on other people. Steve Pemberton said he didn’t do social media because it was like putting a large funnel to your ear and the worst of human nature’s capacity for disdain, hatred, judgement and sanctimonious little lives and pouring them in. He isn’t interested in these people and, for the same reason, I have never done any social media.

The reason I am glad that he posted it is because firstly, it gave one person a platform to say a friend/relative died because their cancer treatment was cancelled and secondly, because it showed the crowd chanting Covid is a Hoax – a very powerful image at that. It will, not only plant the possibility in receptive minds but also, it shows me that may be the sheeples are not asleep after all and they are waking up to the truth. You know that to keep the illusion of a scamdemic going people need hard evidence i.e. colleagues dropping like flies, royal mail workers, warehouse operatives, supermarket workers, bus drivers etc etc dropping like flies at their workplaces, in the street or at home or other places. They need to see conveys of lorries taking people to the morgue and tinterminable funeral processions in their neighbourhoods. Not one of these exist, not one. People of course are going to start asking questions.

331855 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1016 of 1362 🔗

Metro.co.uk: Teachers’ union starts legal action to close all schools as Covid cases surge.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/02/teachers-launch-legal-action-to-close-all-schools-as-covid-cases-surge-13837563/

331862 ▶▶ danny, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1017 of 1362 🔗

Hypocrites

331868 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1018 of 1362 🔗

This could be interesting as it would mean that the evidence of the risk (?) from Covid could be tested in court. How would the DofE defend itself?

331875 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basileus, 1, #1019 of 1362 🔗

Hence why the govt will fold

331886 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Basileus, 9, #1020 of 1362 🔗

I agree. Moreover they would have to prove the alleged danger this new variant is so High as to closing schools should be the only option. They can’t do that because WHO made a definitive Statement saying there was no evidence to suggest it transmitted any faster or that it posed any risk to children. They also said there wasn’the one known incident in the world where a child or young person had transmitted covid to a teacher or any adult. Bring it on Teachers!! Lazy bastards. Should go on half pay immediately.

332073 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1021 of 1362 🔗

I don’t remember the teachers telling the doctors and medical staff not to run the much greater risk of treating “grandma” last April when they didn’t really know what they were facing and PPE was in short supply.

331858 Stephen Priest, 4, #1022 of 1362 🔗

Facts About The Fact Checkers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjZR6Htma18&list=WL&index=162

AwakenWithJP

331869 Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 45, #1023 of 1362 🔗

The divisions this is causing, we should just draw a line down the middle of the planet. Sheep and zombies to the right, freethinkers and humans to the left. Let them live out the remainder of their miserable existences behind the sofa or worshipping their church of Covid. Leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

The fear and panic at the moment is astounding. I just don’t comprehend how we have arrived at this point. I have given the human race too much credit obviously but I guess the signs have been there for a while now.

331896 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 19, #1024 of 1362 🔗

Yes – I said yesterday that whilst I had appreciated that there were a lot of stupid people out there, the sheer scale of it has never been so visible before this. I am not sure that I can remain friends with many I was friends with before.

331905 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 17, #1025 of 1362 🔗

Me neither. Ever get the feeling that we are being used as lab rats almost – let’s see just how far we can push the plebs, sort of thing?

332023 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, #1026 of 1362 🔗

Not we.The Covvimorons.

331913 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 7, #1027 of 1362 🔗

It would be lovely to see the experiment done

Not only would the zombies be miserable, but the freethinkers countries would be more successful in every conceivable way – socially, economically, scientifically

Stupidity is not a basis for maximising success

332163 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 1, #1028 of 1362 🔗

I had a random idea the other day in that period between sleep and awake, that perhaps the entire population of the UK could relocate – basing where you live on how much of a lockdown you want. Tier 5, or Tier 67 or whatever they want in the Scottish Highlands and the Old Normal in Cornwall.

331872 John P, replying to John P, 4, #1029 of 1362 🔗

Re Freddie Attenborough’s piece. (Who he?) I was with the great man up until he mentioned Van Tam’s Bingo Halls gaffe. Agreed, it was something of a giveaway, but Mr Attenborough instantly lost me when he tried to shoehorn Brexit into the mix.

Please remind me of how Van Tam voted in the 2016 referendum? I wasn’t aware he had made his choice on that public.

It’s irrelevant anyway. I suspect that a lot of Right leaning lockdown sceptic Brexiters (don’t flatter yourselves with that extra “e” guys) are secretly smarting at the behaviour of their former hero Johnson on Covid and are desperate to retain some dignity as Johnson proves to be the UK’s greatest anti-hero and the worst prime minister the country has ever had.

The implication of Freddie’s piece that arch-leavers such as Jacob Rees-Mogg might actually give a flying squirrel about the “working class” is endlessly amusing. Don’t try to tell me that salt-of-the-earth Jacob, when it was legal, donned his flat cap and went for a pint at the Nag’s Head with the lads.

And Van Tam’s boss Johnson … erm, I think he voted leave, didn’t he? (Could be wrong, I guess.) Boris Johnson “man of the people” … you’re ‘avin a larf, Squire!

I actally voted remain, but my view has shifted, and if there were another referendum I might vote leave. But it’s not an issue I have very strong feelings about anyway. I suppose that Brexiters have to find something from an otherwise dismal 2020 to cheer about.

One of Brexit’s big sells (apart from giving the NHS loads of money) was the assertion that businesses would be freed of Brussels’ red-tape. Deregulated businesses would be able to breathe … first thing to happen on exit? A BAN on a type of fishing I’ve never heard of and calls for a ban on live animal exports. The latter may be laudible, but this is slapping on more regulation on businesses, not less!

My main beef with Brexit was that I felt that it was a con. It wouldn’t be the hapless British people who would be “taking back control” it would be the Westminster elites. If anything Brexit would mean less control for the average Brit – I kind of liked the power struggle between Brussels and Westminster. I felt it distracted their attention away from the public.

I kind of like Westminster being kept out of my life.

331881 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to John P, 7, #1030 of 1362 🔗

If I might be allowed to paraphrase –

Shame we escaped the clutches of the EuroNazis only to fall straight into the hands of the EcoNazis, or should that be EtoNazis. Same same.

331891 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to John P, 1, #1031 of 1362 🔗

My main beef with Brexit was that I felt that it was a con. It wouldn’t be the hapless British people who would be “taking back control” it would be the Westminster elites. If anything Brexit would mean less control for the average Brit – I kind of liked the power struggle between Brussels and Westminster. I felt it distracted their attention away from the public.”

Precisely.

And another thing; a large number of people voted Leave on the issue of immigration. There’s an innate hatred of foreigners in the British psyche – Johnny Foreigner and all that. But guess what? Will there be less immigration? No. There will be at least the same levels. And, not to put too finer point on it, some of it will be the wrong type of immigration as far as the anti-immigrant lobby is concerned. Here’s an interesting article from The Telegraph (paywall) covering this very point:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/30/england-needs-build-300-homes-day-cope-migrant-surge-study-finds/

My emphasis:

Under the new post-Brexit system ending free movement from the EU, there are new restrictions barring unskilled migrants but caps have been lifted on skilled migrants worldwide so that most experts anticipate similar levels of net migration.

331942 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1032 of 1362 🔗

It’s not about “hatred” of foreigners, for the vast majority, it’s about preference for our own, and for stability rather than radical change for the benefit of powerful lobbies, whether big business or the hard left.

And of course there will be no reduction in the ongoing disastrous experiment in radicalism that is mass immigration under the “Conservatives”, because as far as the hierarchy of the “Conservative” Party is concerned, they are of the same radical, profoundly unconservative class that wants to see Britain and the British remade as “modern” and “better”.

Getting out of Europe was a defensive measure, to stop us being locked into that road. Once out of the European superstate, we only have to overthrow our own corrupted elites, hopefully without being carted off to some European court by Euro-police and thrown in some geographically remote prison, when we dissent and commit thought- and speech-crimes (“hate speech”). Our courts, police and prisons might be shit, but they are our shit politicised police, corrupted courts and political prisons, and close enough to hope to sort out.

331973 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 3, #1033 of 1362 🔗

Indeed

I voted Leave because I believe that nation states that have evolved over long periods of time with shared history and culture are the least bad form of government, and are therefore preferable to states constructed in haste like the EU, albeit nation states are of course imperfect

Of course my confidence in nation states has been somewhat dented, though an EU superstate would not have handled covid any better

331980 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 3, #1034 of 1362 🔗

The nation is a good basis for a state because by definition it is the largest group for which you can hope for some genuine broad consensus on how society should be run.

Of course it’s not a clear-cut concept, nations are fuzzy around the edges and change over time, but Britain is a better basis for a common government than Europe is, for sure. It might be that we have to revert to England if the separatists now dominant in Scotland and Wales get their way.

332000 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 2, #1035 of 1362 🔗

Leaving the Eu was only a first step.On it’s own it doesn’t change anything but it gives us a fighting chance.During this Covid crisis the enemies of liberty have revealed themselves.

332024 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1036 of 1362 🔗

Absolutely!

332040 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1037 of 1362 🔗

I don’t hate foreigners. I have very close associations, professional and personal, with many such people

As a confirmed misanthrope, my dislike of people is reasonably well distributed among races, social classes, sexes etc etc

What I don’t “like” is having the culture of a country changed in an unnatural way in a small space of time, without that country having explicitly consented to it, for dubious commercial and political reasons

Unless you’re in favour of completely open borders, and would therefore be happy if 100 million Chinese moved to the UK next year, then you accept a country should control its borders and who it allows to become a citizen, and it simply becomes a matter of numbers – how many do you want to let in and how do you choose?

331910 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 10, #1038 of 1362 🔗

It’s irrelevant anyway. I suspect that a lot of Right leaning lockdown sceptic Brexiters (don’t flatter yourselves with that extra “e” guys) are secretly smarting at the behaviour of their former hero Johnson on Covid and are desperate to retain some dignity as Johnson proves to be the UK’s greatest anti-hero and the worst prime minister the country has ever had.”

I voted Leave and for Johnson, partly for him to deliver Brexit and partly because as a small-c conservative the Tories seemed like the least bad choice.

My feelings now are
1) Brexit isn’t important any more, at least not until the coronapanic ends
2) I should have considered character more carefully when choosing who to vote for (though the choice wasn’t great)
3) Hitchens is right about the Tories – they are not conservative
4) Hitchens is right about voting – if you really can’t support any of the parties with enthusiasm, don’t vote
5) Johnson was never my “hero”, I do regret voting for him but I am not secretly smarting – I made a mistake but now feel he deserves nothing but condemnation – though I do know some confirmed sceptics who find it hard to completely condemn Johnson because he was something of a hero to them

“I kind of like Westminster being kept out of my life.” Totally agree.

331920 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to John P, #1039 of 1362 🔗

I think there’s something in what Freddie says, and to agree is not to endorse or reject the vote on Brexit. Vernon Bogdanor, a constitutional expert who always used to be on the TV (especially the BBC but I’ve given up watching them) said something like. “The political class in Britain by and large support democracy, but they have only ever experienced things going their way. This might explain why they are behaving as they are now, to block the process.” I am sure Bogdanor is himself an anti-Brexiteer, but I think he put his finger on something real.

331931 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1040 of 1362 🔗

The point that Attenborough was touching on, and Bogdanor and yourself, is that Brexit is absolutely a rebellion of the excluded, the “deplorables”, like all the issues demonised as “populist”. That’s what the term is there for – to demonise such positions and deny them any democratic legitimacy they might claim for their popularity.

And it’s not new that the established elites find “populism” infuriating and threatening. As explained here by a US Democrat Thomas Frank, what’s new is that it is now the left that is the establishment and the “populism” is on the right:

The People, No: A Brief History of Anti-Populism
And it’s clear, though Frank appears to be something of a panicker himself, that there is a real connection between the “antipopulist” establishment position and the coronapanic:

Thomas Frank on Anti-Populism’s Surprising History
As Frank strikingly observes, the similarity between the disastrous reign of “experts” claiming they will sort out this virus with new methods, new thinking and new technology, and through their own sheer cleverness, is much like the disastrous reign of the “best and the brightest” over US policy in Vietnam.

331935 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Mark, 1, #1041 of 1362 🔗

Destroying a village to save a village. Like destroying lives to save lives.

331961 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1042 of 1362 🔗

If you watch the Youtube video linked above, Frank makes the point explicitly, after discussing the elite failure over Vietnam, that coronavirus response is another example of the same thing.

331921 ▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 6, #1043 of 1362 🔗

I kind of like Westminster being kept out of my life .”

Me too, but as the coronapanic has proved beyond any remaining possibility of dispute, the problem is the bastards won’t leave you alone.

If they’d made the panic measures voluntary as was originally planned, Sweden-style, at least we could have shrugged, ignored them and gotten on with our lives as best we could while pitying the panickers. but no, they had to make the restrictions laws, and force us to join them in their self-inflicted, self-created Hell.

And in the end, Westminster is always going to be better (even if only because it’s closer to hand to chastise) than Brussels, or Berlin/Paris.

331940 ▶▶ Scotswifie, replying to John P, 4, #1044 of 1362 🔗

You think Westminster is bad,try living under Holyrood. Our dictator has no opposition whatsoever.

332021 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Scotswifie, 1, #1045 of 1362 🔗

And if you really want to see a nation of numpties grovelling to a tinpot dictator, try Wales.

332173 ▶▶▶▶ Gstaad, replying to Annie, #1046 of 1362 🔗

Whose grovelling? Certainly not us in the north.

332177 ▶▶▶▶ Gstaad, replying to Annie, #1047 of 1362 🔗

Whose grovelling? Certainly not us here in the north.

331879 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #1048 of 1362 🔗

Even Prof Balloux seems to be concerned of a possible risk of vaccine induced mutants in the delay of 2nd dose. But some disagree in the comments. Interesting twitterthread.

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1345395244662185984

“Sars Cov2 lineages escaping immunisation (both provided by natural infection and vaccination) will likely emerge in the future. ‘Partial immunisation’, caused by a delay of the second vaccine dose could accelerate the emergence of such ‘vaccine-escape’ mutants.”

331899 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1049 of 1362 🔗

It seems to have created enormous interest in the US about this new UK approach dividing scientists but more in the US thinking the UK approach can be a global disaster.Can’t help quoting this comment

https://twitter.com/gdibner/status/1345309075131785216

“This morning, my internal narrative changed from “I wonder when I’ll get a vaccine” to “looks like UK vaccine policy might ruin it for everyone globally anyway so might not matter when I get it.”

331901 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to swedenborg, 2, #1050 of 1362 🔗

Thought this was very interesting also off the back of the thread:

Musings of an anonymous, pissed off virologist.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulBieniasz/status/1345195420033691648

331919 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), #1051 of 1362 🔗

That thread was certainly intriguing if not just a pro vaccine echo chamber

331923 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), #1052 of 1362 🔗

He comes across as mentally ill.

331883 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #1053 of 1362 🔗

Having just watched this I do agree with who he has included in his list of “Shit Weasel of the Year” especially with the Great British Public:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeAvP8Mo0kU

As many of us have pointed out this virus has unleashed the inner sheepie of the public and we see this with their masking, uncritical regurgitation of propaganda, virtue signalling and eagerness to do the government’s dirty work. We’ve have our own experiences of dealing with sheepie and the question is now, how do we wake them up? How do we explain to them that death is a natural part of life and that its the quality of life that matters, not quantity?

331889 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #1054 of 1362 🔗

The only way historically was to find fellow travellers, lead by example and run the gauntlet of persecution.

331903 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #1055 of 1362 🔗

I think in time people will tire of life lived though a screen

The human social instinct is strong

Let’s hope it is stronger than adaptability

331965 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 1, #1056 of 1362 🔗

Agree. If people tire of all this then there might be a push back.

332012 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Bart Simpson, #1057 of 1362 🔗

Yes let’s hope so

331926 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Bart Simpson, #1058 of 1362 🔗

I can’t take his voice: the opposite of Atomic Shrimp’s.

331885 Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, 6, #1059 of 1362 🔗

“All shall love me and despair!”

331918 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Noumenon, 4, #1060 of 1362 🔗

‘My name is Covidmadnius, bug of bugs! Look upon my lockdowns, ye mighty, and despair!’

332020 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1061 of 1362 🔗

Ends up consigned to the lone and level sands. May they stretch away for ever.

331888 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 27, #1062 of 1362 🔗

When you analyse that depressing WEF slogan “It’s 2030. You will own nothing. Be tracked 24/7 but will be happy” that’s a lot of peoples lives now. People don’t own their houses, cars or anything they watch or listen to, they have credit card debt, loans etc. Most of them are happy to have phones and apps track their every move, post their lives on the internet and have that voice activation shit in their houses. They want to be tracked and told what to do. To them that’s the life they want/have now. That is how we have got into this situation in the first place. It’s been going that way for the last 10-15 years.

331904 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Hubes, 5, #1063 of 1362 🔗

Good point.

331890 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 6, #1064 of 1362 🔗

Happy New Year! Here’s a survey about the BBC to cheer you up 🙂

https://www.bbc.co.uk/send/u61149175

331907 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Quernus, 3, #1065 of 1362 🔗

Thank you enjoyed that

331909 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Quernus, 4, #1066 of 1362 🔗

Excellent! Just gave them a broadside.

332027 ▶▶ MadJock1, replying to Quernus, 1, #1067 of 1362 🔗

Just done the survey but what interested me is that they managed to send me an e-mail when I’m not even logged in to any BBC account. I’m no IT expert but that strongly suggests to me that a) they are using my IP address and associating it with an e-mail account wothout telling me and b) the survey is not in any way anonymous but they are not telling me that either. Is this in line with GDPR? – not that it means anything these days. It does worry me that there is noting to say that they will know exactly who is making what comments. I hope nobody has been foolish enough to say that don’t pay the licence fee for example. Another bit of a scam by the Beeb.

331892 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 30, #1068 of 1362 🔗

The Minstry of Truth Broadcaster is announcing that one dose of the Pfizer vaccination gives 90% of recipients ‘protection from infection’ in three weeks. That’s amazing as Pfizer themselves don’t claim it prevents infection!

331902 ▶▶ Julian, replying to eastender53, 23, #1069 of 1362 🔗

The lies are getting more blatant every day

331932 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Julian, 40, #1070 of 1362 🔗

Yes, as the MSM hysteria. I see it as the official narrative now breaking down considerably. And therein lies the Establishment’s problem. It has become such a Ponzi scheme of lies that they can’t keep up with them anymore. They are collapsing, o.k. slowly but they are and, at least from the job I do which is public facing, the climate has changed considerably. People are now utterly fed up, utterly, at least around these parts anyway. In the Petrol station I get the impression from conversations that this Government lost the goodwill of the people when they cancelled Christmas at such short notice and also New Year the day before New Years Eve. I think there is a slow dawning amongst the public now that something is very wrong. Many can’t put their finger on it but it will come. We owe a lot to people like Piers Corbyn who is high profile and enjoys a lot of support. He is prepared to make a big sacrifice by being arrested for heading up protests. We also Carl Heneghan, Mike Yeadon, Tim Spector, LS, Offg, Conservative Woman and other alternative sites for keeping it together and keep putting the truth out there.

Strangely enough, I had a bit of an epiphany over the New Year and, strange as it may sound, I feel far more hopeful and optimistic than I have been. The reason for that is because it is all slowly, incrementally and slowly starting to fall apart which is why the MSM is on such overdrive propaganda-wise.

SAGE have said that schools will have to close until at least mid-February because Tier 4 will be unable to contain the spread of this virus (BS I know) – that’s all we need to know, they are pushing for the full collapse of the economy, of the employment market, businesses, industry and mass unemployment on a level unheard of. Witty has also said today, I think, that vaccine shortages will last for months and months. This has been sold to us a saviour to get back to normality but, once again, the Govt has f****d it up big time on this. Firstly, extending the time from first to second jab on the Pfeizer vaccine and then saying people will be given a cocktail of CV-19 jabs, Pfeizer first jab, Oxford/AZ, second jab, extension from 21 days to 3 months etc. It’s all breaking down. If it wasn’t so serious it would be funny.

It is now very clear that SAGE are angling for total shutdown for months for something that is nothing more than a seasonal respiratory illness. Johnson and his cabal now face a stark choice. Crash the British economy in it’s entirety including the Stock Exchange, Stirling, the Manufacturing Industry, losses of millions upon millions of jobs and more or listen to three of the most incompetent, corrupt, lying, thieving Scientists who have only their own interests at heart.

Let’s see because in the past three months the number of people applying for Universal Credit has soared and tax revenue is dropping and will continue to drop as more and more people become unemployed and business collapse into liquidation.

Their backs are literally up against the wall now. They promised the public the vaccine would bring normality in April. Now Witless says vaccine shortages will last for months and months and months.

331972 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #1071 of 1362 🔗

https://twitter.com/ChGefaell/status/1345436849909747712

This quote below I think says it all. The time is up. The government has now a new fig leaf “vaccinate only the persons in long term care rapidly”, and abolish the old fig leaf SAGE . Open up.

“Many claim that restricting the freedom of the young is the only way to protect the elderly. But the results show that this does not work. The dead are still almost exclusively the elderly, also with the new strain. When something doesn’t work, the answer cannot be: “Do it again”

331991 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #1072 of 1362 🔗

I’ve been saying ‘follow the money’ for a while now. The real problems will start when Rishi’s supply of funny-money dries up and mass unemployment, evictions etc start in earnest. Right now for most people Lockdown is a still a ‘bank holiday lark’, basically a paid holiday and a desirable alternative to working for a living.

There’s talk of a ‘Great Reset’ – some sort of global debt jubilee combined with econonic enslavement – but if this is the plan then they need to get on with it quick otherwise the transition might not be that smooth. I for one expected some equivalent of the Bretton Woods conference to be underway by Christmas but not the slightest thing seems to have happened in that direction.

332033 ▶▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1073 of 1362 🔗

I agree and as I said a couple of days ago none of this has really hit home with a lot of people. The last 9/10 months have been like a sabatical with 80% pay. There’s a financial cliff edge coming when the money runs out and it’s going to be a harsh reality for the lemmings when they all (well maybe some) realise they’ve been ‘had’. I really am hoping for something like a great awakening. You can’t fool all of the people all of the time.

332074 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1074 of 1362 🔗

no real pressure yet as all the Western Govts remain intact and not been subject to an election or a coup d’etat or a revolution. Once one Govt goes the situation might change.

332122 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1075 of 1362 🔗

They are bankrupting us, group by group.

Small business are all but gone. Private pensions next. Then perhaps people with mortgages.

332018 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1076 of 1362 🔗

Hope your analysis applies nationwide, Jo!

331915 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to eastender53, 9, #1077 of 1362 🔗

If the Pfizer vaccination does not prevent infection , then how can the Govt claim that vaccination is the key to “controlling” the epidemic and thus restoring normal living conditions for the nation .
The latest Govt figures for the R infection rate are 0.9 to 1.5, with regional variations.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk
This means that the epidemic could be “controlled” if, taking the worst case of R = 1.5, vaccination of susceptible individuls, on a random basis, was no more than 33% , ie 2 out of 3 of us need not bother with the vaccination .
But of course that depends on the vaccination producing an immune response, when indications from experience are that immunity whether medical or natural is a waning thing , leading to the usual periodicity of flu epidemics as immune individuals return to the susceptible pool.
Also the vaccination is not going to be carried out on a random basis, the elderly first, so the model would not apply anyway.
My conclusion is that the vaccination programme is unlikely to have any major effect on “controlling” the epidmic

331927 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to mikewaite, 17, #1078 of 1362 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. The way they’ll “control” the epidemic is through stealth — slow down testing, reduce the PCR test cycle threshold to 20, and become more selective when listing Covid as the cause of death on death certificates. Maybe, and only maybe, will they then declare the vaccine a roaring success and the end of the “pandemic.” This supposition is predicated on governments actually wanting to end the pandemic, and of this I am not so sure since they could have done all of these things months ago.

331947 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1079 of 1362 🔗

You forgot the bit about all other countries in the world would also need to “ slow down testing, reduce the PCR test cycle threshold to 20, and become more selective when listing Covid as the cause of death on death certificates . “

332078 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Mayo, 1, #1080 of 1362 🔗

they might already be doing that. Checking the ECDC stats France, Spain and Belgium are <300 per 100k-a halving in a month whereas the UK has gone in the opposite direction (except in Liverpool and Dover)

331993 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #1081 of 1362 🔗

It’s possible that all governments want to wind down the nonsense, but that they are in a ‘Mexican standoff’ where none of them wants to be the one that blinks first, because that state will be treated as a global pariah – Sweden x 100.

332013 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1082 of 1362 🔗

They already know how to control the alleged epidemic.
High dose Vit D with K and Invermectin immediately for anyone with cold symptoms.
Problem is that is an incredibly cheap and effective way of doing it.

331937 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to mikewaite, 6, #1083 of 1362 🔗

There is no epidemic. Where did you you get this idea?

331945 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to mikewaite, 3, #1084 of 1362 🔗

This means that the epidemic could be “controlled” if, taking the worst case of R = 1.5, vaccination of susceptible individuls, on a random basis, was no more than 33% , ie 2 out of 3 of us need not bother with the vaccination .

Hmm – not quite. The 33% would need to be from those in the population who are still susceptible .

332008 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mayo, 11, #1085 of 1362 🔗

In terms of a need for major society interrupting Government Public Health intervention this epidemic will be over when the total of registered deaths is not unduly out of line (+/- 25%) from the 5 year average. Which by my reckoning happened in June 2020.
Since then we have lived in a mad dystopian nightmare of hysterical over-reaction to not much going on except for an overpaid NHS who could not manage an inebriated event in a place of alcohol production.

332066 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Steve Martindale, -1, #1086 of 1362 🔗

Which by my reckoning happened in June 2020.

But it has risen again above the 2 sigma threshold.

331968 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to mikewaite, 4, #1087 of 1362 🔗

Surely the primary aim of any covid related policy is to address the most serious impact of the virus – death and serious illness, which mainly occurs in fairly well defined cohorts

If the vaccine is as good as people say it is, then if you vaccinate most of those who are most vulnerable, the virus ceases to become a notable threat to public health

Vaccinating more widely may well reduce the spread, which will help those who are vulnerable but for some reason can’t or won’t take the vaccine, but surely that is a spinoff benefit and should not be the main focus at this time

In focusing on “cases” the government has caused people to lose sight of why “cases” are an issue. Eradicating a virus from the whole population isn’t easy and should not be the aim at this stage.

332006 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to mikewaite, 3, #1088 of 1362 🔗

Exactly so why are they desperate to give it to us???

332019 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mikewaite, 2, #1089 of 1362 🔗

The lie merchants are rapidly disappearing up their own backsides.

332017 ▶▶ Annie, replying to eastender53, 3, #1090 of 1362 🔗

So it stops you from getting infected, but it doesn’t stop you from infecting everybody else.How very convenient for the death porn merchants.

331911 hensais, replying to hensais, 11, #1091 of 1362 🔗

I hope everyone has seen the Youtube video on Truth matters of Catherine Austin Fitts on Planet Lockdown. She makes everything clearer than anybody else’s explanation!

332010 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to hensais, #1092 of 1362 🔗

I thought it was interesting, but the analogy between vaccines and an operating system was far from clear.

332113 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to hensais, 1, #1093 of 1362 🔗

Very good video, people should really prepare and warn others what is coming next – enslavement of humanity by a few technocratic elite. If people are in denial this could happen watch the video and see what you think at the end of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1-0XKYAZII

331917 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1094 of 1362 🔗
331941 ▶▶ mj, replying to PastImperfect, #1095 of 1362 🔗

sorry – but got to the bit where the woman says that the DVLA owns my car and decided it was a little too tinfoil for me

331949 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to mj, 1, #1096 of 1362 🔗

Technically you are only the ” registered keeper” which is a strange phrase and what gives rise to the tinfoil hattery.

331958 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Nessimmersion, #1097 of 1362 🔗

yes – appreciate that .usually owner and keeper are the same entity but if they are different – (e.g. i bought a car for my daughter or the company provides me with a car ) then it does ensure the “user” is made responsible.
The tinfoilery isnt helped by the fact that cars can be “confiscated” for not being insured or taxed

332003 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to mj, 2, #1098 of 1362 🔗

Yes that confiscation can take place automatically without a full.court case, which also indicates that you are not the full owner, again, not agreeing with the tinfoil hattery but I can see why it develops.

331924 dpj, replying to dpj, 12, #1099 of 1362 🔗

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-55516307

Hysteria about the number of cases in Scotland. What is the chance that the same people in hospital or care homes are being retested every couple of days?

331952 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to dpj, 5, #1100 of 1362 🔗

The increase in cases in each area is following the increase in testing, whereby all the rural towns have a temporary testing station set up for use 1 day in every 10 or something.
This gives them lots of false positives so the complicit BBC, krankie, her sockpuppet dentist and ” Krankies Karens” can all seek to further damage the economy and childrens education.

331929 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 63, #1101 of 1362 🔗

Interesting watching Steve Bannon’s War Room. There’s a Chinese doctor on explaining what is obvious to those who look:

China, or more exactly the CCP, has played a blinder.

The brutal lockdowns were used for suggestion and then all they had to do was wait for the egos of Western leaders in power trying to “do something” and believe all their models. Throw in the medias propensity to promote panic and we have this mess .

Make no mistake, dickheads like Cummings got played. The belief that this was a Taleb-esque “low proability high impact event” was all it took. Nevermind that the source data was not that precise. No audits done or precautions in using ANY model rather than common sense risk assessment and COURAGE to stick to BELIEF to stick to principles of individuality.

The CCP just demonstated “Authoritarism works” or so the con goes.

And what it did was demonstrate all those “leaders” and “experts” with no backbone. Except strangely enough the Swedes.

But the repercussions on economies and debt will be huge, and how China will swallow more of that up to add leverage. The other day the EU signed up to an agreement principally with Germany and China becoming more interwoven as trade partners. Anyone with experience will know that Eastern Europe is flush with Chinese projects and cash. Now Germany, the core of the EU, will lean China’s way.

Look at the disruption in the US with the election. Hopefully sense will prevail and the election fraud won’t stick. Because if it does, the US will be a broken nation with factions, even more than now. Something that plays again into the hands of the CCP.

It’s the fact that we’ve been played and our so-called “experts” are too up their arse to realise they’ve been played and continue to play themselves. We’ve all been looking at the finger like fools when we should have been looking at the Moon and thinking about what that means

331954 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to mhcp, 9, #1102 of 1362 🔗

Agreed. China’s political control of WHO has paid huge dividends. Strangely WHO formally,does not support lockdowns. How convenient for China that does not practise them. But that does not stop WHO representatives in the west like the appalling David Nabarro from appearing on innumerable platforms encouraging us to adopt lockdowns, to adhere to rhem and to make them stricter! CCP propaganda.

331959 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 5, #1103 of 1362 🔗

They have played a blinder, indeed

331981 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to OKUK, #1104 of 1362 🔗

How does China control WHO?

332009 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to rockoman, 2, #1105 of 1362 🔗

Principally, via Tedros, their candidate.

331956 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to mhcp, 10, #1106 of 1362 🔗

A friend said to me today that they had bought something that was supposed to be a respected German brand but when he looked it said made in China. Everything is now made in China, including virus hoo-haas. When they finally open the schools you wonder if the major subject will be the compulsory mandarin lessons?

331979 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to mhcp, 1, #1107 of 1362 🔗

Do you really not think that western governments have their own people on the ground in China giving info on the real situation?

I am sure that China had a role in pulling this off, but she is not the prime mover.

332044 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 3, #1108 of 1362 🔗

Agree that we cannot “blame” China – we had a choice

331987 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to mhcp, 9, #1109 of 1362 🔗

The USA is a broken nation whichever way it goes next week. The Germany/CCP link is frightening.

331936 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 75, #1110 of 1362 🔗

So flu has apparently disappeared (and norovirus is at record low levels) because of all the masking, social distancing and hand washing along with lockdowns. We therefore need to keep doing them forever, because they’ve worked so well.

However, we are currently experiencing a surge in covid cases because we’re not following the rules, naughty people aren’t wearing masks enough and we can’t be bothered to wash our hands properly. That’s why it’s not working. We just need to do it harder and tighter.

Can’t see any contradiction there myself, can you?

331955 ▶▶ adamsson, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1111 of 1362 🔗

I guess the drop in norovirus is largely down to restaurants being closed 🤔

331967 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to adamsson, 10, #1112 of 1362 🔗

Norovirus outbreaks are more common in hospitals & nursing homes than restaurants.

331974 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, 13, #1113 of 1362 🔗

That may be so, but people have more enjoyment in restaurants than hospitals. Therefore, we must close reataurants to placate the covid gods.

331983 ▶▶▶▶ adamsson, replying to Mayo, 2, #1114 of 1362 🔗

Well yes obviously just the only two times I have had food poisoning has been in restaurants

332165 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to adamsson, 3, #1115 of 1362 🔗

It’s odd how these things happen.Both times I got food poisoning, it was the result of eating.

331957 ▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #1116 of 1362 🔗

It’s a good argument to use against the lockdown supporters – it’s obvious that causes of death are being manipulated

331989 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Julian, 1, #1117 of 1362 🔗

BIG TIME!!!

331975 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1118 of 1362 🔗

Ivor Cummins explains the loss of flu on his latest offering on YouTube. It’s apparently not unusual for a new virus to “push” other viruses out of the way.

331978 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to p02099003, 3, #1119 of 1362 🔗

Prof Wodarg just said the same!

331988 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to p02099003, 5, #1120 of 1362 🔗

But normally nobody tests for flu viruses very much – or do they?.

So how do they know?

What we do know is that in terms of deaths flu has been pushed out of the way.

How much testing for flu viruses is going on right now?

332051 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to rockoman, 4, #1122 of 1362 🔗

When they’ve done autopsies on the lungs of elderly people who have died of respiratory disease they’ve found an average of 14 pathogens. It’s not really a question of which disease is getting in, it’s a failure of the ageing immune system to keep pathogens out.

332002 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to p02099003, #1123 of 1362 🔗

Do you recall hearing many years ago that the CDC was testing flu patients and found that only 16% of them actually had flu at all?

332100 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to this is my username, #1124 of 1362 🔗

I think there is a paper in the Lancet or BMJ which pointed that out. Was it Dr Jefferson from CEBM that authored itp

332139 ▶▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1125 of 1362 🔗

Precisely. There’s tonnes of different respiratory viruses. influenza virus, respiratory syncytial virus, parainfluenza viruses, metapneumovirus, rhinovirus, coronaviruses, adenoviruses, and bocaviruses. None of us ever got tested for any of them until now!

331951 adamsson, replying to adamsson, -10, #1126 of 1362 🔗

Pissy pants, pissy pants, pissy pissy pissy pants

331994 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to adamsson, 8, #1127 of 1362 🔗

‘Thank you, Boris. Next slide, please.’

331963 shorthand, replying to shorthand, 3, #1128 of 1362 🔗

Happy New Year all.

Not sure if this has been posted thus far but my Utube AI decided I needed to have my Saturday evening ruined by these 2 ratbags. I managed 15 minutes and I’m now passing the pain onto you lot. Enjoy.

Prior warning, sick bag required. I didn’t have one now my jumper looks like theirs.

She has a Snoopy picture on the wall. A f’king Snoopy picture. How can any adult with a Snoopy picture be taken seriously..!??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UIVY_LpEk4

331982 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to shorthand, 4, #1129 of 1362 🔗

Sorry, couldn’t watch. Devi was bad enough but when I saw Owen Jones too, simply too much.

331984 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to shorthand, 5, #1130 of 1362 🔗

Lasted 30 seconds. They are so unaffected by the deaths they’ve decided to engage in a topic on the conversation of millions dead by laughing about how wacky their Christmas jumpers are.

That they say 90% of deaths could have been prevented, I hope they go into say that would have been achieved by doing post mortems and binning the PCR fraud.

I rather suspect its a question of zero Covid and Labour in their view however

332238 ▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1131 of 1362 🔗

Yep, it was the numbers she claimed that actually made me watch as much as I did. I don’t think she actually went on to substantiate the claim, I couldn’t bare to watch any more.

She’s vacuous moron that is truly enjoying her moment in the bright light. Lets hope the bright light turns out to be a train in a tunnel…

332310 ▶▶▶▶ PW, replying to shorthand, #1132 of 1362 🔗

What qualifications has this woman got to be in the position she is
in terms of advising the Scottish Government to impose further and more draconian lockdowns?
Will she still collect a fat salary when tens of thousands of Scots no longer have a job?
Is membership of the cabal running Scotland sufficient for her to be trotted out on a regular basis as a prophet of doom?
Can anyone answer these questions??

331986 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to shorthand, 4, #1133 of 1362 🔗

Sorry couldn’t watch past the point where she rolled her eyes in the
oohh stop it, oohh go on carry on then
sort of way.

Much prefer to see Owen Jones take on Peter Hitchens.

332014 ▶▶ wendy, replying to shorthand, 7, #1134 of 1362 🔗

I can’t bring myself to watch it but some of the comments are in favour of sunetra Gupta and against Devi. The zero COVID types really worry me

331964 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1135 of 1362 🔗

The Guardian: Cancer operations face cancellation across London as Covid patients fill hospitals.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/02/cancer-operations-face-cancellation-across-london-as-covid-patients-fill-hospitals

332016 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #1136 of 1362 🔗

Well, it’s not as if cancer is serious, is it?

332084 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, 4, #1137 of 1362 🔗

Well the MSM told us that doctors were going to have to make tough choices about who to save.
Let’s see now, 36 yr-old mother of 2 with cervical cancer vs 96 year-old granny with heart failure?

331966 Londo Mollari, 1, #1138 of 1362 🔗

The same bureaucrats who hate populism may unintentionally wreck the vaccination programme. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55516277

331977 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 11, #1139 of 1362 🔗

Well this is an interesting development. I just caught an interview on the Beeb concerning those who just weren’t taking this covid seriously enough. There was a guy who looked like he was of Indian descent. I didn’t catch his name, but he was, I believe, someone in the “Intensive Care Society” railing against those sceptics and rubbishing social media and answering questions on how to just just just get people to understand. He recommended bringing in members of the public to see the devastating scenes in the ICU wards etc. But it was the first indication I’ve seen on TV that something exists outside the end-of-days covid rap.

332025 ▶▶ iansn, replying to George Mc, 9, #1140 of 1362 🔗

the publicar trying to get in to see for themselves but there are barriers and security keeping them out in case they see the reality

332029 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to George Mc, 7, #1141 of 1362 🔗

Yes, yes, great idea, let the public in there! Transparency, accountability!

332042 ▶▶ Julian, replying to George Mc, 10, #1142 of 1362 🔗

It’s a sign that the PTB feel the narrative is not as gripping for people as it was in March

331985 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 14, #1143 of 1362 🔗

MSM in overdrive driving up the fear factor: deaths ranging from 3 months to 103 years/patients on trollies filling up corridors (so what’s new?).
Hopefully the propaganda( right now on “Casualty”) is starting to have less affect.
CRACKS STARTING TO APPEAR?

332059 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1144 of 1362 🔗

Its a perfect storm: Govt wants to ramp up fear factor to justify Tier 4 till Easter so the Teachers and Doctors are useful idiots and happy to play along.
On the other hand when the govt want to dial down the pressure as in University students going home for Christmas and lifting a lorry blockade in Dover they were able to accomplish this without a murmur of complaint or suspicion.

331990 ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 16, #1145 of 1362 🔗

You all may know about this since I’ve not been here much recently, but I just read a comment in the Daily Mail that sent me to the NOIDs weekly report of notifiable diseases.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-weekly-reports-for-2020

Apparently in week 52 just past, there were only 85 reports made of COVID around the country. There are weekly reports at that link for the whole year. I went back a few weeks and found one with 170+. Back in late March, there were around 120. Why are these numbers so different to the official story?

331999 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #1146 of 1362 🔗

I think that might have been me 🙂 Yes – everyone should read those reports. The first appearance of Covid was in week 11 with one case.

332001 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to ConstantBees, 5, #1147 of 1362 🔗

Its all down in black & white, how are they able to spin it the way they are?

332004 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1148 of 1362 🔗

I certainly don’t understand it. I was hoping that one of those who’ve been tracking the stats would be able to explain this.

332007 ▶▶ Mark, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #1149 of 1362 🔗

Yes, a fascinating detail that needs explaining. Some discussion of it further down today’s comments , including a link (via yesterday’s comments) to a discussion of the possible implications by a group including Dr Clare Craig and Joel Smalley:

The PHE data that goes against the narrative – Hunting down symptomatic COVID-19

332011 ▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to ConstantBees, 11, #1150 of 1362 🔗

Yes it was posted earlier – sent to my MP – asked him to explain why based on figures from his own government – Norfolk and Suffolk with a grand total of ……(drum roll)…0 reported infections last week are in Tier 4 with all the economic destruction that entails. No response as yet. I think this needs to get sent to every MP.

332015 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #1151 of 1362 🔗

This notifiable disease aspect has been raised before, it needs someone with some knowledge of public health administration to comment on this apparently odd situation, personally I have not got a clue.

332038 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1153 of 1362 🔗

The person who sent the above link sent an email:

I take it you’ve seen the NOID’s link / figures being circulated by the producers of misinformation? The figures are real – but it’s there for GP’s to report a suspected case before a test has been done. The tests carried out by the labs count towards official notification so don’t need to be reported separate, and as people are advised to obtain a test rather than visit their GP with suspected Covid, the numbers are very low.

Perhaps that is the case, but surely ALL cases should be reported to NOID?

332076 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1154 of 1362 🔗

That was my logical conclusion. If it’s a notifiable disease then surely cases must be reported.

332087 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1155 of 1362 🔗

That’s not what the link says. It says “All laboratories in England performing a primary diagnostic role must notify PHE of specified causative agents (organisms), in accordance the Health Protection (Notification) Regulations 2010. SARS-COV-2 is the notifiable causative agent for COVID-19. All registered medical practitioners in England must notify the proper officer of the relevant local authority or the local PHE health protection team of specified infectious diseases, in accordance with the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 and the Health Protection (Notification) Regulations 2010. All proper officers must disclose the entire notification to PHE. COVID-19 is a notifiable infectious disease.” You can read more at that link. It’s a notifiable disease, therefore the figures given out weekly must be correct.

332105 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to this is my username, 1, #1156 of 1362 🔗

So logic dictates that either laboratories are not reporting SARS-COV-2 in contravention of the regulations or they are not finding any SARS-COV-2 to report. So which is it Hancock?

332124 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #1157 of 1362 🔗

It’s whichever doesn’t spoil the propaganda! We’ve been lied to for months. They’re acting like we’re having 350,000 cases a week – who are they testing?

332127 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to this is my username, 1, #1158 of 1362 🔗

The same 50 samples thousands of times? Or with enough amplifications you can test anything positive.

332064 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to ConstantBees, #1160 of 1362 🔗

Read about it yesterday, now trying to find out figures from my local hospital to compare

332071 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #1161 of 1362 🔗

This is the question of the week. Incidentally, the number for week 52 was 50 yesterday, so a handful more must have trickled through after the holiday. As you can see, most areas are not mentioned, therefore have NO cases at all.

On the 30th, given the imminent moves to tier 4, I asked my useless MP to explain how, if Covid-19 is a notifiable disease and, apparently there are tens of thousands of “cases” daily, the actual NOIDS figures differ so dramatically.
I received this snotty response:
The Government have responded to the current growth in cases. All public health measures are voted on in Parliament, and there will be votes this evening.
You will never accept any of my answers on the data, so I will not waste either of our time.

So I checked Hansard. They voted to give themselves holiday till January 11th. That is recorded. But somehow the SI regarding the new tiers passed by some undisclosed nod and wink, for which I could find no evidence other than the chair declaring it so.

I wrote back and pointed out that he hadn’t actually answered my question regarding the ginormous discrepancy in the figures but he chose to ignore me. Don’t worry, I’ll have the thorn at the ready next week.

332085 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1162 of 1362 🔗

I do not know the history of your correspondence with your MP, but I find that answer wholly unacceptable. MPs are public servants and would do well to remember that.

332079 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to ConstantBees, #1163 of 1362 🔗

OK I’ve gone to this website https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-weekly-reports-for-2020
Downloaded some of the PDF’s but although it mentions Covid as a notifiable disease I can’t find the numbers further down the lists, where are the number people are quoting coming from?

332081 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Andrew K, #1164 of 1362 🔗

The chart is right at the end of each report – about the last page or so.

332094 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to this is my username, #1165 of 1362 🔗

Each report is 15 or 16 pages long, which page is the data on?

332117 ▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Andrew K, #1166 of 1362 🔗

Scroll to the last page, and it’s around there. It’s not in the charts at the beginning, it’s in the lists at the end.

332140 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1167 of 1362 🔗

Page 14 on week 52

332153 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1168 of 1362 🔗

The graphs on the pandata.org website are any easy way to view this data.

332098 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #1169 of 1362 🔗

There seem to be very few cases around London.

332107 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to ConstantBees, #1170 of 1362 🔗

Was reading the guidance for practitioners. This extract outlines their statutory duty:
“Complete a notification form immediately on diagnosis of a suspected notifiable disease. Don’t wait for laboratory confirmation of a suspected infection or contamination before notification. Consult the PHE Notifiable Diseases poster (PDF, 1020KB, 1 page) for further information.
Send the form to the proper officer within 3 days, or notify them verbally within 24 hours if the case is urgent by phone, letter, encrypted email or secure fax machine.”
The poster does not include Covid but says the list on it is not exhaustive,

331996 mj, replying to mj, 15, #1171 of 1362 🔗

bbc – casualty has gone covid. bbc stooping to an all time low .

331998 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to mj, 3, #1172 of 1362 🔗

But now shooting themselves in the foot(Casualty)

332022 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #1173 of 1362 🔗

cant bring myself to watch it .. old lady dying, baby dying, black man dying . wonder if we get Charlie Fairhead doing a tictoc dance?
seriously it needs someone with medical knowledge to go through this and pick out the fabrication and propaganda .
Of course the public will watch this and think it is a documentary .
oh no they are all applauding the baby who has recovered. applauding with jazz hands

332049 ▶▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to mj, 6, #1174 of 1362 🔗

I used to be a regular, but the fact that the NHS continues to employ geriatric Fairhead finally became too much last year. It was an addiction I am relieved to have beaten.

332194 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to mj, #1175 of 1362 🔗

I know someone who was a medical advisor some years ago on the programme but they took no notice when he advised how things would or wouldn’t happen medically, because it wasn’t dramatic enough and didn’t fit with their story/agenda.

332036 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to mj, 3, #1176 of 1362 🔗

I’ve never watched ‘Casualty’?…what is it?……..

332039 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Luckyharry69, 8, #1177 of 1362 🔗

Absolute rubbish.

332041 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1178 of 1362 🔗

bbc medical drama … been on for 34 years !! so a bit of an institution

332088 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to mj, 1, #1179 of 1362 🔗

I bet it’s as woke as buggery.

332106 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1180 of 1362 🔗

never thought whether buggery was woke or not … to me its just a pain in the backside

332053 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Luckyharry69, 8, #1181 of 1362 🔗

Depressing hospital soap on the BBC. Occasionally attained the height of so bad it was good. The most entertaining part was guessing what massive accident was going to happen in the first ten minutes or so which depicted life outside the hospital and introduced us to the characters. Man climbs on roof to fix TV aerial with extremely dull chainsaw, that kind of thing.

332055 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to guy153, 3, #1182 of 1362 🔗

Formulaic doesn’t begin to describe it.

332062 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to guy153, 3, #1183 of 1362 🔗

A long running joke in my family is whenever a character is introduced in the show to shout ‘he/she’s dead!’

332067 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1184 of 1362 🔗

like an original star trek red shirt wearer. they never made it back off the planet . .

332068 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1185 of 1362 🔗

My wife is a fan and I’ve had to suffer it for decades.
I well remember one episode where Charlie’s total dialogue was 5 words.
I believe that the actor who plays him is paid more than the rest of the cast put together.

332082 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1186 of 1362 🔗

And he is an appalling actor.

332089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Pancho the Grey, 1, #1187 of 1362 🔗

Wooden is an understatement.

332202 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Pancho the Grey, #1188 of 1362 🔗

Perhaps but I felt he captured the spirit of long-suffering tetchiness that is a defining feature of the NHS. Perhaps he was just acting himself but that’s all that matters.

332056 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Luckyharry69, 6, #1189 of 1362 🔗

as Paul Merton once said “look, I know how to light a barbeque”. Gives an idea of the starting point.

332057 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1190 of 1362 🔗

And “Are you sure that ladder is safe?”

332063 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1191 of 1362 🔗

And “Pass me that can of petrol, this bonfire is a bit damp”.

332090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1192 of 1362 🔗

Brilliant. Sums up the current wave of manic propaganda rather well.

332092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bill H, 1, #1193 of 1362 🔗

ABSOLUTELY.

332097 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1194 of 1362 🔗

Ha,ha-never fails to amuse

332102 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1195 of 1362 🔗

Thanks, much appreciated.

332240 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1196 of 1362 🔗

Casualty is an absolute shower of sh*te. That male nurse ‘Charlie’ with the crinkly hair has been in a constant state of stress because of government cuts to the NHS, for about 40 years, but somehow has managed to stay alive and keep his job. He should have been off on full pay with ‘stress’ years ago.

332054 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to mj, 4, #1197 of 1362 🔗

Let’s hope the BBC is another Covid casualty when the public learn the full extent of their fear-mongering mendacity.

332046 Will, replying to Will, 22, #1198 of 1362 🔗

That bitch Laura Duffel should be in fucking hiding.

Coronavirus: No increase in severe child cases, paediatricians say https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55518248

332060 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to Will, 21, #1199 of 1362 🔗

My daughter is a nurse. She has been warned that if she expresses an opinion in public about Covid she could lose her job. If she tells the truth about Covid she could lose her job.

I bet Duffel’s lies get looked over though.

332080 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 6, #1200 of 1362 🔗

That just confirms there is definitely something fishy going on!

332112 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Janette, 4, #1201 of 1362 🔗

They can’t help themselves. They are gagging for kids to be dead in their thousands. Why?

332288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1202 of 1362 🔗

Maybe to justify more controlling draconian measures as we are all obliged to protect children.

332211 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Janette, 1, #1203 of 1362 🔗

Damn right.

332115 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 3, #1204 of 1362 🔗

they need to test the water, as if they do get sacked it will hekp to blow the whole thing out of the water, it would never get to court

332146 ▶▶▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to iansn, 3, #1205 of 1362 🔗

It’s very difficult to be a whistleblower when you work for a monopoly employer.

Most people that get sacked can find a similar job elsewhere, but when it’s the NHS that sacks you it’s not just your job but your whole career.

332157 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 4, #1206 of 1362 🔗

Hopefully some brave individuals who are looking to get out of the profession will speak out. I guess anyone who speaks publicly will be suspended on full pay pending a disciplinary hearing and then this could be taken to an employment tribunal to drag it out even longer.

332134 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 2, #1207 of 1362 🔗

She’s already getting the benefit of the doubt on Twitter whereas we are called all-sorts for very little in comparison.

332167 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 1, #1208 of 1362 🔗

I’ll check the NMC code of professional conduct to see if there’s a prima facie case for referral to the NMC.

332180 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #1209 of 1362 🔗

I’ve found this
Uphold the reputation of your profession at all times

To achieve this, you must:

20.1 keep to and uphold the standards and values set out in the Code

20.2 act with honesty and integrity at all times, treating people fairly and without discrimination, bullying or harassment

20.3 be aware at all times of how your behaviour can affect and influence the behaviour of other people

20.4 keep to the laws of the country in which you are practising

20.5 treat people in a way that does not take advantage of their vulnerability or cause them upset or distress

20.6 stay objective and have clear professional boundaries at all times with people in your care (including those who have been in your care in the past), their families and carers

20.7 make sure you do not express your personal beliefs (including political, religious or moral beliefs) to people in an inappropriate way

20.8 act as a role model of professional behaviour for students and newly qualified nurses, midwives and nursing associates to aspire to

20.9 maintain the level of health you need to carry out your professional role

20.10 use all forms of spoken, written and digital communication (including social media and networking sites) responsibly, respecting the right to privacy of others at all times

I think that this person is in breach of 20.2, 20.3, 20.5 and 20.7.

332225 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to MizakeTheMizan, #1210 of 1362 🔗

This petition is growing strangely slowly. It won’t do any good – but it serves to show that people are not alone.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/550598

332301 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 1, #1211 of 1362 🔗

Is it possible for your daughter to go private? Perhaps with other nurses? Start their own clinic?

332047 OKUK, 20, #1212 of 1362 🔗

THE PLAINTIVE SHEEP

You told me to lock down so I did.
You told me to wear a mask
I never thought to ask
You why.

You showed me the charts, I believed.
I consented to be tracked and traced
To have my culture slowly erased.
To always comply

You told me to be afraid. I was.
I did all this for my wife, my son and my daughter
But now, like lambs to the slaughter,
We must die.

So at last I ask you: why?

332058 assoc, replying to assoc, 10, #1213 of 1362 🔗

So the people doing the vaccinations need to be trained in anti-radicalisation and diversity awareness.
Shouldn’t the same criteria also apply to those being jabbed? If they don’t understand these things then surely they don’t deserve to be ‘saved’! (I’m damned!)

332072 ▶▶ mj, replying to assoc, 6, #1214 of 1362 🔗

god forbid that they should address a vaccination patient using the wrong gender .
should it be guinea pig, guinea sow, guinea boar?

332095 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to assoc, 9, #1215 of 1362 🔗

My mum is a retired GP. She and several colleagues were prepared to volunteer to do some jabbing. But none of them have diversity awareness training because people weren’t fussed about it in them days. Not to mention the hassle involved in sourcing all those certificates required and filling out the ridiculous form. So none of them will do it. Well done Boris.

332116 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1216 of 1362 🔗

This is an hilarious story. The Great Reset is self destructing on its own wokeness.

332179 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1217 of 1362 🔗

What a tangled web

332130 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to assoc, 3, #1218 of 1362 🔗

Interesting that the vaccine itself is the cherry on the extreme CCP Maoist repression cake.

332061 rockoman, 11, #1219 of 1362 🔗

“Rowthorn acknowledges that he can only speculate on how a genetic predisposition toward religion may manifest itself in a secular context. Previous research has suggested that a genetic predisposition toward religion is tied to a variety of characteristics such as conservatism, obedience to authority, and the inclination to follow rituals”

https://phys.org/news/2011-01-religiosity-gene-dominate-society.html

Obedience to authority?

Yes

Inclination to follow rituals?

Yes.

Conservatism?

Quite often

Sounds like Covidianism to me.

332069 Janette, 38, #1220 of 1362 🔗

I must say I love this site. There are always interesting articles and comments serious and funny and links to various other sites. It has definitely helped me stay sane during this very peculiar time.

332070 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #1221 of 1362 🔗

I thought this chart was useful to again put some perspective on this whole business.
Essentially we’ve reverted to the usual death rates pre-flu vaccine years.

332125 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NickR, 5, #1222 of 1362 🔗

Yes very good. I was slightly surprised at how low the average for non Covid respiratory disease was. I suspect that a lot of respiratory deaths have previously been wrapped up in heart and cancer deaths whereas Covid testing means Covid tends to get highlighted in certificates.

Clearly there was a huge excess deaths spike in the Spring largely explained by this novel pathogen though with some lockdown effects. I think the Covid winter spike has been greater than many, including Yeadon, expected. However, we shouldn’t assume like Whitty that “everything is on the Covid side”. A high proportion of “Covid deaths” will be lockdown-related. Even deaths that are principally attributable to Covid respiratory disease can be lockdown related. If a care home resident is demoralised and depressed by months of isolation from
normal contact with their loved ones there is every chance their immune system will be affected negatively and as a consequence they will have serious symptoms. This, as Whitty should say but won’t, should be counted on the lockdown side, not the Covid side. The government is wilfully suppressing people’s immune systems through lockdowns, home confinement, masking and inducement of anxiety and depression,

332196 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to OKUK, 4, #1223 of 1362 🔗

I think there was a Covid hump in spring but the spike looks artificial. It looks like measurement harvesting. There are 1400 deaths a day and more sometimes. Of those you only need to change how you label things to get a rising spike. It can be a pure artefact of collective measurement, where one place does things a certain way due to policy changes then more do it. The viral spread is like social media rather than a real viral spread.

It doesn’t sit with other places either. And I know Joel Swalley is pointing out places like the Czech republic who are now getting a spike saying that this is their wave. I don’t think it is. They’ve changed their reporting approach and are panicking more now. Hence the spike.

What gets me is this shows who the real empiricists are, as in those who make a living measuring things. Most of those modellers if not all, don’t get their own raw data or understand the nuance it seems. They appear to see systematic uncertainty as something that can be reduced rather than being a direct limitation on use of data. Climate science is rife with it and epidemiology too.

332155 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to NickR, 4, #1224 of 1362 🔗

Your graphs are very good but after this ends I never want to see another one again

332226 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to NickR, 4, #1225 of 1362 🔗

You should watch Ivor Cummins latest video where he covers the well known characteristic of viruses to replace a previously dominant one in the host.
Note: flu has disappeared worldwide, i.e. it has been replaced worldwide by a new form of respiratory virus, Covid 19 currently, which has 4000+ variants.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SdKkZLqhmDM&list=WL&index=200

332083 Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, 12, #1226 of 1362 🔗

It’s not something I’d ever really thought about because I don’t wear masks, but after the good news about removing VAT on tampons I thought I’d check. The government removed the exemption on PPE in October – VAT is now at 20%. So masks are essential items as far as the law/propaganda is concerned, but non-essential for tax purposes.

332110 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Tee Ell, 5, #1227 of 1362 🔗

cos its a top money maker

332086 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 35, #1228 of 1362 🔗

The BBC news website claims to provide “up to the minute news”…it’s taken them two months to admit there might be an issue over massive electoral fraud in a Biden fake victory. After no doubt some worried conferencing they are finally having to admit at least 11 Senators will challenge the Electoral College vote. I think that number may still grow because the evidence of massive fraud continues to grow. It’s recently been shown the Dominion CEO was lying when he claimed their machines were not connected to the Internet and could not be hacked. Several of their machines have been hacked in the current Georgia Senate run offs and have been shown to be connected to the Internet, specifically a Chinese company! The lying BBC claim absurdly the Senators are calling for an investigation into “unsubstantiated fraud allegations”. No! Why woukd they do that? No – they’re looking for an investigation into what they consider to be substantiated allegations.

The USA is on the brink of inaugurating a CCP controlled senile corrupt politician as the President off the back of massive fraud. America is in peril, Democracy is in peril, We are in peril, but the BBC, ITV, Sky, LBC and virtually all the MSM are engaged in a huge cover-up!

332119 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, 9, #1229 of 1362 🔗

If the fraudulent ‘result’ stands it will be a festering corpse poisoning the well. There will be no return to normality possible afterwards. The postdemocratic age will be upon us, along (perhaps) with some violent reaction to that.

But if somehow the colour revolution is derailed at the last possible moment, there will be a lot of people and institutions with serious explaining to do. The Supreme Court, for one, is an institution that has definitively failed in its purpose. Major constitutional reform is inevitable whichever side wins this struggle.

332161 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ovis, 9, #1230 of 1362 🔗

There are so many ironies in this situation.

It’s the Republican right who tend to wax lyrical about constitution and the “wisdom” of the Founding Fathers. The Constitution has totally failed them! There are no specific mechanisms for dealing with electoral fraud and the Supreme Court as you say has essentially said the fraud can stand.

The Chief Justic John Roberts behaved appallingly when the Texas claim came up. It was reported he was shouting, screaming that there wss no precedent to hear it and citing the possibility of riots as a key factor in the Court’s deliberations! The Texas claim was dismissed withwith one line stating Texas had no standing. No reasoning or precedence for the decision was given! That’s how probably the most important claim in 100, years ws dealt with by SCOTUS.

It was also reported that Chief Justice Roberts said of Trump, while at a party, “that motherf***er” will never get re-elected”. They should put that on his epitaph.

In case people don’t know, Trump has called for his supporters to be in DC en masse on 6 Jan when the Senate meets to confirm the Electoral College vote. The chances of serious bloodshed are quite high I would say.

332197 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 7, #1231 of 1362 🔗

i think there are at least a few million who will be relying on the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution to right a few wrongs….

(and as for Roberts, there are some very nasty Epstein related rumours circulating that might yet see his swift exit)

332210 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to dommo, 4, #1232 of 1362 🔗

The relevant document is below, the excuse is often made that it is a common name, however the correct question is how many people with that name are worth “influencing” by getting them on the Lolita Express?

332222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1233 of 1362 🔗

it’s not just that – Roberts also allegedly arranged the “adoption” of his two children via Epstein….probably just baseless rumours being used tactically to get a rise…

332245 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to dommo, 6, #1234 of 1362 🔗

There’s other rumours about Justice Roberts – namely that he supposedly was caught in discussions about replacing one of the Supremes, just days before Justice Scalia was found dead. Again, might be baseless. who knows.

332250 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #1235 of 1362 🔗

yeah i heard it was diana ross…

332283 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1236 of 1362 🔗

Exactement! I don’t think our Jeff would be entertaining steel workers called John Roberts. But foul mouthed anti-Trump Chief Justices of the Supreme Court? Welcome aboard!

332206 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ovis, 4, #1237 of 1362 🔗

Chief Justice Roberts should be removed. He ignored Constitutional Law.

332121 ▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 6, #1238 of 1362 🔗

you are absolutely right of course – my own latest (over optimistic) take on this is that there has been a very clever plan to entrap the CCP/fraudsters and that the uk govt and the bbc is playing along as if complicit, while actually feeding info to the US military/intelligence. once the fraud is revealed and defeated, the govt and the bbc will explain their role in averting the fall of the US republic, issue a massive apology, and immediately lift all restrictions.

332126 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to dommo, 3, #1239 of 1362 🔗

If the fraud is revealed and defeated it will be bicycle clips time at the BBC.

332129 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to dommo, 5, #1240 of 1362 🔗

Lol! If only. I can only I’d love it if you were right…

332145 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 4, #1241 of 1362 🔗

in any case it will be fascinating to see what transpires on 06/01 – especially to see what a real protest by “we the people” looks like…

332142 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to OKUK, 8, #1242 of 1362 🔗

I’m glad you keep raising this OKUK. It is really important. It is interesting that even some lockdown sceptics find it unbelievable that the US election was rigged. The media censorship on this massively outclassed even the Coronabollocks censorship. It can’t be that the two massively corrupt scams of Coronabollocks and the fiddled election are unconnected.

332151 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #1243 of 1362 🔗

you’re right – as we now know, the virus was the cover for the massive amount of mail-in ballots, huge numbers of which the machines sent (overseas) for “adjudication” – i.e. fiddled for Biden. latest rumours are now that italy was heavily involved, as well as MI6 (playing double agent of course)

332200 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to dommo, 3, #1244 of 1362 🔗

The Red Mist worked beautifully. Unfortunately, they got caught. They should all go to prison. Just round them up. Including Joe, Hunter, Nancy, Chuck, Cuomo and several other governors and mayors.

332204 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1245 of 1362 🔗

shouldn’t that be “fortunately”?

332188 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to TheBluePill, 7, #1246 of 1362 🔗

Yes it is ironic how many Covid sceptics often refuse to even examine the mountain of evidence of electoral fraud in the recent US Presidential election. It’s based I think, on a snobbish dislike of Trump with his vanity, vulgarity and venom. It’s pointless to expect them to change their view of Trump but in previous years candidates of the Left in the Democratic primaries made very similar complaints about the voting machines and election irregularities. All the evidence now suggests they were right to do so and the primary votes were being manipulated.

332203 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to OKUK, #1247 of 1362 🔗

My two main sources are Jones and Gorka. You?

332281 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to bebophaircut, #1248 of 1362 🔗

Lots! I think Sidney Powell’s twitter account has been one of the best. Nothing of substance she has claimed from the early stages has been disproven and much has beennsubstantiated.

Gateway Pundit has been v accurate.

Obviously back in the day I consulted Fox News a lot but now we know it was an active participant in the fraud, declaring Arizona for Biden at an absurdly early juncture…not even CNN did! Why? – because it was important for “right wing” Fox News to get it on record that a “left wing” Biden had won a “right wing” sunbelt state (flipping the narrative after Trump’s huge wins in Texas and Florida) and preparing the ground for theovernight election steal which would would see rust belt states turn anti-Trump, totally against the trend from the honest election held in rustbelt Ohio.

I basically no longer trust the news networks of any stripe. Best to build your network! Rest assured – if this was all “conspiracy theory” there would be no chance of 11 plus senators laying their necks on the line and saying there has been massive fraud, enough to swing the election for Biden. Most of them have been drawn to this conclusion by the weight of evidence and have arrived there very reluctantly.

332184 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to OKUK, 3, #1249 of 1362 🔗

11 Senators? As of Thursday there was only one. They’re making progress in a hurry. Good on them.

332186 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to bebophaircut, 5, #1250 of 1362 🔗

.

332193 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1251 of 1362 🔗

Too bad that you don’t have enough money to show that on TV all around the world. It might enlighten a few million people.

332218 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1252 of 1362 🔗

Please disseminate as widely as you can.

332248 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1253 of 1362 🔗
332189 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #1254 of 1362 🔗

I was born in the U.S.A. Southern California. Newsom is gruesome. Recalls are heating up. And the new District Attorney in Los Angeles, formerly of San Francisco, supposedly supported by Soros is also getting his comeuppances by all the county district attorneys. Good riddance to them and all the other folks who are ruining my home state!

332213 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1255 of 1362 🔗

They’re calling it Total Recall. Happening in other states too.

332190 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to bebophaircut, 5, #1256 of 1362 🔗

Ted Cruz is leading them and he is a very powerful voice. He’s from Texas as well and to say Texas was pissed off with SCOTUS is to put it midly I would say.

332199 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 3, #1257 of 1362 🔗

as the saying goes, “don’t mess with texas!”

332274 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1258 of 1362 🔗

An informed source is saying it’s actually 16. They might be releasing the numbers slowly to maintain momentum…

332208 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to OKUK, 2, #1259 of 1362 🔗

Two things, the American constitution and 350m guns stand in the way. The first is under serious attack, expect the second to be shortly under a Biden administration.

332096 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1260 of 1362 🔗

Homework:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca

COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca is indicated for active immunisation of individuals ≥18 years old for the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

Prevention??

332101 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1261 of 1362 🔗

The MHRA can confirm that the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca does not contain any components of animal origin.

Oh goody its vegan!

332104 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Wolver, 6, #1262 of 1362 🔗

One dose (0.5 ml) contains:
COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S* recombinant) 5 × 1010 viral particles (vp)
*Recombinant, replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike (S) glycoprotein. Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells.
This product contains genetically modified organisms (GMOs).
For the full list of excipients, see section 6.1.

Human embryonic kidney. Definitely vegan – not!

332111 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1263 of 1362 🔗

Yea was just reading that bit! Sounds like an animal product to me…?

332143 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1264 of 1362 🔗

Isn’t this the vaccine using aborted foetuses that has caused discussions by religious authorities?

Reading those was not reassuring. So many unknowns

332150 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to wendy, 2, #1265 of 1362 🔗

but as a document published by the Church of England commented- the aborted foetuses were sourced from voluntary abortions. So that’s OK?

332191 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to crimsonpirate, #1266 of 1362 🔗

Wonder what they would have said if they had been forced abortions?

332149 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1267 of 1362 🔗
332212 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1268 of 1362 🔗

I think the cells it is grown on are discarded [or should be] when the vaccine is purified. The cells are a cloned cell line grown in a lab, I think the unfortunate baby died about 50 years ago. The Catholic Church approves the vaccine. it still feels yucky, though.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55409693

332231 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #1269 of 1362 🔗

I am also interested in what particular component of the Pfizer vaccine allows it to stay liquid at -90°!!!!.

332114 ▶▶▶ ZigZag, replying to Wolver, 9, #1270 of 1362 🔗

I thought it was a genetically modified adenovirus that’s found in chimps?

Also, they killed all the chimps in the trial so they could examine their lungs.

Just one of the many reasons I won’t be taking it.

332120 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to ZigZag, 1, #1271 of 1362 🔗

Nice…

332148 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to ZigZag, 10, #1272 of 1362 🔗

Wow, I am constantly amazed that so called animal rights charities have been completely silent about the millions of animals killed over the past few months in experiments. I guess most of their supporters are virtue signalling hypocrites and the organisations themselves are controlled opposition.

332154 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, #1273 of 1362 🔗

Didn’t they skip the animal trials and move straight to humans? Doubt that will bother PETA.

332160 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1274 of 1362 🔗

Pregnancy
There is a limited experience with the use of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca in pregnant women.
Preliminary animal studies do not indicate direct or indirect harmful effects with respect to pregnancy, embryofetal development, parturition or post-natal development; definitive animal studies have not been completed yet. The full relevance of animal studies to human risk with vaccines for COVID-19 remains to be established.

Doesn’t sound like it.

332169 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1275 of 1362 🔗

I remember reading an article in The Times back in the summer (before I completely gave up on the MSM) that there was a worldwide clinical monkey / primate shortage – so they were obviously getting through a lot. I believe much of the animal experimentation is subcontracted out to laboratories abroad where anything still goes.

332181 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Darryl, 6, #1276 of 1362 🔗

I think we replied at the same time about the monkey shortage! Interesting how we on LS can find out these facts and others about hospital data etc, but the MSM apparently can’t.

332192 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to TJS123, 3, #1277 of 1362 🔗

I think we did. God knows how many Monkeys the Chinese and other countries will have killed, big pharma still gets through plenty of animals.

The MSM know all the facts, they are just selective of what they tell the public and how they frame things, they are very much part of the problem.

332198 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to TJS123, 3, #1278 of 1362 🔗

Weren’t there lots of sharks killed too? MSM don’t want to bother with any of these things. Haven’t some folks said they are getting massive revenue form government advertising?

332178 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1279 of 1362 🔗

No they didn’t, several monkeys lost their lives, being killed at the end of the trials, and there are scientists who want to set up more trials involving monkeys, but there is a shortage apparently…

332175 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Darryl, 1, #1280 of 1362 🔗

Most of their funds go for administration costs and parties.

332201 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Darryl, 6, #1281 of 1362 🔗

Its the same as all the ooman rights mob have been rather conspicuously quiet while the Police have enthusiastically established a Covid fascist state and shut down any protests.for liberty or even filming of empty hospitals.

332279 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1282 of 1362 🔗

Just goes prove the rumours about Amnesty being used by the British Establishment as a front to attack regimes it doesn’t like are probably true. I won’t be donating again but they will probably get a bonus from the government for keeping in line.

332174 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Wolver, 1, #1283 of 1362 🔗

But they used a lot of monkeys and smaller animals in the trials, which have now been killed….

332118 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1284 of 1362 🔗

The use of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca should be in accordance with official guidance.

Given recent gov track record we can scratch this bit.

332147 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Wolver, #1285 of 1362 🔗

From the info given to recipients (note it doesn’t say the side effects can last up to a week!) :

Side effects that occurred during clinical trials with COVID 19 Vaccine AstraZeneca were as follows:

Very Common (may affect more than 1 in 10 people)

  • tenderness, pain, warmth, redness, itching, swelling or bruising where the injection is given
  • generally feeling unwell
  • feeling tired (fatigue)
  • chills or feeling feverish
  • headache
  • feeling sick (nausea)
  • joint pain or muscle ache

Common (may affect up to 1 in 10 people)

  • a lump at the injection site
  • fever
  • being sick (vomiting)
  • flu-like symptoms, such as high temperature, sore throat, runny nose, cough and chills

Uncommon (may affect up to 1 in 100 people)

  • feeling dizzy
  • decreased appetite
  • abdominal pain
  • enlarged lymph nodes
  • excessive sweating, itchy skin or rash

In clinical trials there were very rare reports of events associated with inflammation of the nervous system, which may cause numbness, pins and needles, and/or loss of feeling. However, it is not confirmed whether these events were due to the vaccine.

332131 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1286 of 1362 🔗

Efficacy and safety data are currently limited in individuals ≥65 years of age

Summary of the safety profile The overall safety of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca is based on an interim analysis of pooled data from four clinical trials conducted in the United Kingdom, Brazil, and South Africa. At the time of analysis, 23,745 participants ≥18 years old had been randomised and received either COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca or control. Out of these, 12,021 received at least one dose of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. The median duration of follow-up in the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca group was 105 days post dose 1, and 62 days post dose 2.

So it’s only been tested on 12,000 people!!!

Adverse reactions:
The most frequently reported adverse reactions were injection site tenderness (>60%); injection site pain, headache, fatigue (>50%); myalgia, malaise (>40%); pyrexia, chills (>30%); and arthralgia, nausea (>20%). The majority of adverse reactions were mild to moderate in severity and usually resolved within a few days of vaccination. By day 7 the incidence of subjects with at least one local or systemic reaction was 4% and 13% respectively. When compared with the first dose, adverse reactions reported after the second dose were milder and reported less frequently.

…. Very rare events of neuroinflammatory disorders have been reported following vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. A causal relationship has not been established.

“Very rare events” – out of 12,000 people over 170 days. Not very encouraging!

Non-clinical data reveal no special hazard for humans based on a conventional study of repeat dose toxicity. Animal studies into potential toxicity to reproduction and development have not yet been completed.



332168 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1287 of 1362 🔗

Prevention, yes. Vaccines (for not above the millionth time) if they work are supposed to make you immune. That means prevention, cheezilla.

332187 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 2, #1288 of 1362 🔗

If they work.
This doesn’t guarantee prevention, so doesn’t necessarily make you immune.

332216 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to John P, #1289 of 1362 🔗

I understand how you post now, welcome back John.

332123 NickR, replying to NickR, 18, #1290 of 1362 🔗

I just pulled the hospital occupancy data for English hospitals https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/uec-sitrep/urgent-and-emergency-care-daily-situation-reports-2020-21/?s=03
Doesn’t paint quite the picture we’re told!

332128 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NickR, 13, #1291 of 1362 🔗

NickR, Your graphs are brilliant. It puts everything in perspective.

332133 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NickR, 3, #1292 of 1362 🔗

Wow!

332138 ▶▶ LockdownTruth, replying to NickR, #1293 of 1362 🔗

What about the same data for the last couple of years?

332137 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1294 of 1362 🔗

Is the author of this shit serious????? We are not all living in big houses etc.

This is a proper scum article!!
Unbelievable.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/over-55s-pay-costs-coronavirus-183214010.html

332152 ▶▶ wendy, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1295 of 1362 🔗

That’s a very poor assessment of how most over 55s live. I am in an inner city area of greater Manchester and the older generations do not live in luxury.

332172 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1296 of 1362 🔗

They are using the same old divide and conquer tactics as usual. There was also the articles about over 40s paying an increasing NHS tax last week.

332233 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1297 of 1362 🔗

Who comes out with utter dogshit like that article????!

332325 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to stevie119, #1298 of 1362 🔗

Not an article – a letter. From Entitled of Sunbury-on-Thames.

332324 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to AnotherSceptic, #1299 of 1362 🔗

That’s not an article – it’s a letter to the Independent, from a very spoiled young lady called Anna from Sunbury-on-Thames. And yes, they printed it but quite possibly in a spirit of “you’ll never guess what this lunatic has written to us”. Nevertheless, there is going to be a generational war, as part of the culture war, always supposing that the civil war doesn’t lay claim to all the belligerence first, which obviously I hope it does.

332141 NickR, 10, #1300 of 1362 🔗

Occupancy of London Hospital beds doesn’t quite tell the same story as we’re getting from the BBC.

332144 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 10, #1301 of 1362 🔗

Catherine Austin Fitts does a great job explaining how the controllers manage humanity, how things will only get worse under the guise of Covid 19 (digital health passports, state digital only currencies etc), and more importantly how the public can resist the increasing centralised rule by a small number technocratic and business elite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1-0XKYAZII

Unfortunately, the corrupt and evil politicians and media will happily sell us into eternal slavery, lots of individuals making small changes are are our only hope.

332158 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Darryl, 7, #1302 of 1362 🔗

the most positive & actionable message from the video was the need to boycott the commercial activities of all the relevant participants – so no more amazon, youtube, twitter, bbc, etc etc

332183 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to dommo, 3, #1303 of 1362 🔗

I certainly try to boycott globalist corporations. I would have posted a different link to the video but BitChute is currently under another state orchestrated DDoS attack – they really hate freedom of speech.

The best way to reduce MSM influence is simply not to use their services, pretty much everything they publish is misinformation and propaganda so I am amazed people even look at it, views give them power. The fear and anger the articles produce also give the controllers power over us.

332300 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Darryl, #1304 of 1362 🔗

I was watching Amazing Polly several hours ago when her Bitchute connection was rudely interrupted.

332268 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Darryl, 2, #1305 of 1362 🔗

I couldn’t decide whether she’s on the money or a raving nutcase. It’s as well to hear the theory though, and act in ways to try and thwart the Evil Plan (if there is one).

332277 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Jane G, 1, #1306 of 1362 🔗

I don’t particularly rate the government to implement an evil plan – they don’t have a good record with big projects, but I wouldn’t underestimate big business especially the tech companies to enslave people using technology. The financial system is going to be in such a mess when (if ever) this ends, there will certainly be a reset. The surveillance state is expanding rapidly every week and is be enthusiastically embraced by business and sheep like public.

332323 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Jane G, 1, #1307 of 1362 🔗

I think she’s a raving nutcase, but her boycott recommendations are wise, regardless.

332299 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Darryl, #1308 of 1362 🔗

Only if you let them get away with it.

332156 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 7, #1309 of 1362 🔗

More from my local paper. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/call-made-leicester-primary-schools-4849531#comments-section Even the comments from a consultant paediatrician in their local acute hospital is ignored. There’s still the myth that children can pass on the infection and, of course, the new strain. As the comments section doesn’t allow urls to be included it’s almost impossible to provide evidence.

332195 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to p02099003, 14, #1310 of 1362 🔗

We need to stop using “their definitions” like the new strain.
Dr Mike Yeadon has stated there are at least 4000 variants of Covid 19, so we need to start taking the piss and asking why the other 3999 varieties are ok but this one in incwedibly dangewous or something

332259 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1311 of 1362 🔗

Hear, hear ..

I’m bloody sick of sceptics talking about cases and infections, and taking the official death figures at face value.

332164 danny, replying to danny, 25, #1312 of 1362 🔗

So just found out that my home town of Brighton is following london and closing all primary schools from Monday. What I was dreading having to tell my child.
Got an email from the council proudly telling that they had no choice because “the government wasn’t brave enough”.
Have written to the council demanding to see the risk assessment (which won’t exist. How can it, with a survival rate of 99.7%!).

332224 ▶▶ james007, replying to danny, 12, #1313 of 1362 🔗

The government is not brave enough. Not brave enough to make decisions, especially ones which the unions, the media, and covidians will not like. It has created this hysteria.
A majority Conservative government is afraid of the Unions, the NHS and the BBC.
Cowards!

332287 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to danny, 1, #1314 of 1362 🔗

You can FOI the Council, for all e mails on the subject.

332166 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #1315 of 1362 🔗

How far off herd immunity? I’m bored of it all now.

332171 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Tom Blackburn, 23, #1316 of 1362 🔗

about 4 circuit breakers, 15 lockdowns, 12 firebreakers and 9 tier 4s to be precise.

332176 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #1317 of 1362 🔗

Fuck sake

332185 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1318 of 1362 🔗

I am reckoning maybe 20 million, maybe more in U.K. have had an infection so who knows might be there soon? Sunetra Gupta thought it could be as low as 20% infection rate to achieve HI. No one really knows

332242 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to wendy, 14, #1319 of 1362 🔗

It takes about 4-5 weeks to get to HI whatever your starting point. So if it’s from nothing to 20% or whatever you get a big pandemic (like happened in the Spring).

If it’s Autumn and the threshold moves up from 20% to 22% or so, then you reach that 22% in about 4-5 weeks, as happened in the Autumn.

There is usually another equilibrium adjustment around now, which looks like it’s happening. It should take 4-5 weeks to reach 25% (or whatever the value is).

The 4-5 weeks is determined more by the characteristics of the virus– incubation time and infectious period– than anything else. Because growth is near-exponential it doesn’t make much difference what size the susceptible population is. It can just burn through it faster.

The point is we have had HI since the summer but we are getting the usual two winter peaks.

But the thresholds for summer and winter are somewhat artificially suppressed by people’s changes in behaviour. So there is some truth in the claim that we “don’t have herd immunity” depending on how you define it.

If we went back to behaving exactly as we did this time last year– going into work when sick, sneezing all over everyone and everything, etc. etc., then we would have more Covid and reach a higher equilibrium. And it would take 4-5 weeks of behaving like that.

If we carry on behaving the way we are, we will remain at this equilibrium. You might think if 1% or so have Covid at any one time then eventually everyone will get it. But not really because it’s spreading so slowly at that point. You’re either adjusting to the season or the virus is just ticking over at a rate that matches population growth.

I don’t think the behaviour changes have much to do with the mandatory restrictions as we see no signal in the infection or death rates corresponding to when various things were introduced in different places.

But the whole culture around Covid has made a difference and we can observe this in the rates of other viruses (which aren’t so politicized).

If we dropped all the restrictions but maintained sensible guidance (stay at home when ill if possible and if you have to go out when you have symptoms, consider wearing a mask) we would probably actually do better. The ongoing insanity is causing an increasing portion of the population to rebel completely. We may end up with 50% in lockdown and 50% in deliberate anti-lockdown. This will probably have about the same net result (on virus transmission) as if we all just calmed down and behaved sensibly.

We are at HI already in the sense that the virus is endemic and a good test of this is to estimate R. If it sits at 1 for long periods between seasonal changes, as it did in summer, then you’re at an equlibrium. A suppressed virus (as SAGE pretend they are doing) instead looks like a series of peaks as R jumps up to 3 and is then smashed down to 0.5 by brutal restrictions. Australia is what that looks like.

332214 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1320 of 1362 🔗

and a mask wearing partridge in a socially distanced pear tree

332255 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #1321 of 1362 🔗

Hmmmm ‘about’ and ‘precise’ 🤔 . Very SAGE

332267 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1322 of 1362 🔗

Thank you I worked it out from the Diane Abbott school of mathematics.

332182 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1323 of 1362 🔗

Herd stupidity more like.

332228 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #1324 of 1362 🔗

We’ve already got that.

332205 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1325 of 1362 🔗

About seven months ago, I would guess.

332229 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1326 of 1362 🔗

Does herd immunity even matter? So long as the PCR test is used and the cycle threshold is so high, there will always be positive “cases.” Until enough people either get bored or get angry, this thing can go on indefinitely.

332286 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1327 of 1362 🔗

Very true. And then if the public are getting bored of Covid they can come out with a mutant flu virus (there are plenty to choose from every year of course) to justify the continued lunacy.

332322 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to OKUK, 1, #1328 of 1362 🔗

They were getting bored and fractious in November. Hence the variant.

332243 james007, replying to james007, 11, #1329 of 1362 🔗

I’ve managed to recover from watching 10 minutes of BBC News earlier, whilst I was at someone’s house fixing a laptop.

They featured an interview clip with one of the scientific covid mafia running the country (Ferguson – never seems to go away). Will any journalists kindly probe him on his comments about China, “getting away” with lockdowns, and whether he thinks living in an controlling authoritarian state is something to be desired?

So I gather the government is running scared of the teaching unions again. The government is folding, and will say that the scientists told them to do it, it wasn’t their fault. If they didn’t do what they were told the NHS would collapse (again).

Then a re-run of that bizarre clip of a masked lady being wheeled down a corridor, with doctors and nurses either side of her applauding. It has the feel of some religious ceremony. What is being clapped? The lady being brave, the vaccine being our saviour?

332253 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to james007, 12, #1330 of 1362 🔗

It’s all about feelings. We’re being told when to feel anxious and when to feel grateful. Much like an abused partner.

332254 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to james007, 25, #1331 of 1362 🔗

The world is completely mad and ‘mad for it’. Years of woke conditioning. Explaining to my other half just why I’m so exasperated it struck me it’s difficult to know where to start if they don’t share my gut reaction that this ‘smells’ wrong, and lockdowns, tiers and masks are abhorrent. There is the logic – data that proves we’re not in a national emergency (and I get why some people are excited to think we are) but for me it’s my innate disgust at the attack on our human rights, rights to earn a living/run a business and civil liberties that I don’t understand why everyone isn’t appalled. (Apologies for all the double negatives there, I might have had a wine or two). Anyhoo, may the Lord save us.

332265 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Andrea Salford, 14, #1332 of 1362 🔗

It’s the lack of visceral anger. The population should be furious when in fact they are at best apathetic and at worst in collaboration.

More interested in the latest celebrity gossip or football team performance to care about freedom and liberty.

332269 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #1333 of 1362 🔗

I know. Every time I go think ‘Well now they’ll see through it’ ‘That’s gone so far they can’t deny it’ ‘Now surely the anger will surface’……but nothing, just more compliance. Are we watching different films?

332278 ▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Andrea Salford, 5, #1334 of 1362 🔗

We are watching the film.

They have inserted themselves into the film and no longer have the ability to even see that there IS a film.

Our only hope is that the film will glitch badly enough that they see the jarring and are shaken out again.

332244 rockoman, 2, #1335 of 1362 🔗

delete

332260 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #1337 of 1362 🔗

The most enthusiastic promoters of the Covid-Fascist state are the police closely followed by Krankies Karens.

It shows how urgent cutting police numbers and defenestration of all above the rank of sergeant is.

332261 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1338 of 1362 🔗

Hopefully some unexplained house fires will follow….

332263 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to stevie119, 12, #1339 of 1362 🔗

If any copper stops you and you feel he’s looking for trouble just ask him when they are going to move him into barracks. And his family. Because, obviously they can’t continue to live amongst the very people they are oppressing, can they? I mean, it wouldn’t be safe them going to work. Would it?

332262 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #1340 of 1362 🔗

I could almost read that as a positive – eg don’t bother us with phone calls you miserable meaning snitchers.

332270 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, #1341 of 1362 🔗

‘moaning’ not ‘meaning’

332272 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #1342 of 1362 🔗

There is that, however, it’s open to abuse. All it takes is someone to decide to cause whoever trouble by reporting them, even if they are doing nothing.

Why there has not been riots over this shit, I really don’t know.

332264 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1343 of 1362 🔗

A one-stop shop for anyone who wants to denounce their neighbours. The Dear Leader must be pleased.

332271 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to DJ Dod, 5, #1344 of 1362 🔗

Exactly, This is getting sinister now. All because of the common flu virus.

332280 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1345 of 1362 🔗

Scots are amazingly submissive now, they seem to love the SNP Covid tyranny and nanny state government. How times have changed.

332285 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Darryl, 6, #1346 of 1362 🔗

There is an easy solution:
A nice meme that the names and addresses of all callers to the snitchline go on a register and are published at the end of the year / can be got with a FOIA request etc.
That’ll dry up the snitching once people know they’ll be accountable for their actions

332292 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nessimmersion, 6, #1347 of 1362 🔗

Agree, people obviously haven’t learned from history. The people snitching on their neighbours, friends and families for breaking petty rules are really the lowest of the low.

332604 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Darryl, #1348 of 1362 🔗

We thought life in the GDR was awful and tyrannical!

332298 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1349 of 1362 🔗

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11779742/coronavirus-police-officers-social-distancing-garden-party/

Keep an eye on your respectable neighbour with a respectable job. Report them.
That’s what we have to do, right?

332317 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1350 of 1362 🔗

The form appears to only be accessible via Facebook for which I am not registered

Since they warn not to ‘mis-use’ the usual police numbers I would therefore be unable to assist.

332266 Basics, 4, #1351 of 1362 🔗

So, 9 months in, is there an increase in babies named Chris, Patrick, Matt, nikla? People are that dim is would appear.

332297 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1352 of 1362 🔗

Happy New year from Wuhan

332312 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1353 of 1362 🔗

Or as the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China calls it- PARTY CENTRAL!!!

332313 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, #1354 of 1362 🔗

Pass the bat, man.

332331 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1355 of 1362 🔗

Just pondering how that “doubling every three to four days” thing from September is working out for Mr Wint and Mr Kidd (Vallance and Whitty). I just did a quick simulation on my smartphone. If you kill one person one day and double the rate every three days, it will take you one hundred days to wipe out the entire human population of the Earth. (Go on. You know you want to.)

How are we not extinct?

332336 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1356 of 1362 🔗

Whitless and unbalanced?

So far as I can tell, officially claimed daily cv deaths have changed little since 4th November (492 deaths). Average for last 7 days – 589. So no, it hasn’t been doubling.

332491 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Hugh, 1, #1357 of 1362 🔗

Yes, but you see we’ve had all these controls placed on us. So really Messers Vallance and Whitty have been very successful. I’m sure that’s what they’s say anyway.

332334 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1359 of 1362 🔗

Yes, except it’s government lockdowns that are starving children, not the covid-19 “pandemic”. Such harm big pharma has done. I remember reading an article some months ago about how teenage girls in Kenya were doing “bad things” because the money from tourism (and selling flowers to Western countries, which is big there) has gone.

Trouble is, I suspect some people in Britain would gloss over a million deaths in the third world if they think it it would save a thousand lives in Britain. That notwithstanding, if you want to spearhead a poster campaign along the lines of “lockdowns cause child starvation”, that is something I woul support.

332342 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Hugh, 1, #1360 of 1362 🔗

Yes, this is yet another effect of lockdown. It’s not only boosting big tech and big pharma to the detriment of small local businesses, but also widening the gap between rich and poor nations. And come to think of it, also widening the gap between rich and poor in society generally.

332347 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Ken Gardner, 3, #1361 of 1362 🔗

And to your point about glossing over millions of deaths in the third world – that’s millions of YOUNG lives lost in the third world to save a few thousand OLD lives in wealthy nations.

332333 Cecil B, 2, #1362 of 1362 🔗

The Stasi in Wales have powers to enter your home by force if they suspect you are meeting your grandchildren

Savagery

Then again what did people expect from a Marxist dictator

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