2021-01-03

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332335 HawkAnalyst, replying to HawkAnalyst, 29, #1 of 1601 🔗

Happy New Year
Hang in there guys
Best wishes Hawk

332337 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to HawkAnalyst, 17, #2 of 1601 🔗

Will do my best.

So how bad is it going to get? Will there be an economic crash? And will they really carry on with this nonsense through the year. It sounds like they’re having problems with vaccinations already!

332339 ▶▶▶ HawkAnalyst, replying to Hugh, 3, #3 of 1601 🔗

Ignore the press re vaccination

We are ahead of the curve. People I speak who know what is going on

I can see the Oxford vaccination taking off this month

332340 ▶▶▶▶ HawkAnalyst, replying to HawkAnalyst, 1, #4 of 1601 🔗

The press sit at home watching Netflix and writing articles

The Sunday Times
Front page re post code is incorrect

332358 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to HawkAnalyst, 13, #5 of 1601 🔗

Hospitals In Britain Stretched to Capacity?

Every year NHS hospitals are stretched to capacity, and they keep reducing the number of beds. A claimed bed shortage is now the government’s justification for tyranny. – Tony Heller

https://newtube.app/TonyHeller/wT8uHfr

332366 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stephen Priest, 9, #6 of 1601 🔗

It’s not as if the Guardian doesn’t know.
From Toby’s main article yesterday.

332397 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to HawkAnalyst, 6, #7 of 1601 🔗

PETER HITCHENS: Guess where Professor Lockdown got his ideas … China’s police state!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9106799/PETER-HITCHENS-Guess-Professor-Lockdown-got-ideas-Chinas-police-state.html

332401 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to HawkAnalyst, 10, #8 of 1601 🔗

As Peter Hitchen says never stop writing your MP – it’s the only protest we’ve got .

https://www.writetothem.com/

Pass every fact you have to them – Pass every fact you have to them – forward every article from Lockdown Sceptics

332338 PW, replying to PW, 25, #9 of 1601 🔗

Has anyone kept a timeline of the whole sorry affair, starting with the ‘3 weeks to flatten the curve’ in March, or even further back?
The promises, broken promises, etc etc etc?

Got to be an interesting read, surely??

PW.

332344 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to PW, 76, #10 of 1601 🔗

I hope to God someone has. I just posted (in yesterday’s page) about the forgotten “doubling every three to four days” doommongering of September and how that might be working out now. The trouble is, they pump out their never-ending stream of rubbish and by the time one assertion is proved criminally wrong, it’s already buried by the ones that followed it. Goebbels would be in awe of this propaganda campaign.

332346 ▶▶▶ PW, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #11 of 1601 🔗

A brilliant analogy! But sadly, so, so true….I’ll stand by….

332360 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #12 of 1601 🔗

They rehashed the ‘doubling every few days’ for Mutant .2 Kiddie Killer just last week.

332519 ▶▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to karenovirus, 15, #13 of 1601 🔗

I worry about my fellow humans when they swallow these blatant lies. The lockdowns failed to stop or reduce the usual winter respiratory illnesses. To keep the lie going that we need more of the same, “mutant strain” was the obvious excuse. I have fully accepted (sadly) that this lockdown will continue until spring when respiratory infections naturally reduce.

332361 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 28, #14 of 1601 🔗

Re-read Animal Farm. It’s exact, so pber history – written a century in advance.
The Rule of the Pigs.

333925 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, #15 of 1601 🔗

A relative said last before this year I should read Orwell. She now says I should wear a face covering or I don’t care about others. No accounting for some…

332362 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 29, #16 of 1601 🔗

It’s a two weekly rolling barrage of propaganda and lies.

332447 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #17 of 1601 🔗

Couldn’t agree more NN, and they are all singing from the same hymn book even here in Australia. I think our march to what the UK is going through is only just beginning and we will be in the same place this winter. I would love to be disproved.

332508 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 52, #18 of 1601 🔗

My husband reminded me that when all the testing/moonshot bollocks was proposed, the idea was that it would enable those testing negative to live a normal life. Then they dreamed up “asymptomatic transmission” and it just helped to lock us all down again. Mass testing has to stop, test on admission to hospital only.

332708 ▶▶▶ Roger Marlow, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 24, #19 of 1601 🔗

This site, lockdownsceptics.org, is a timeline. Every day’s posting, all the round-up links and all the comments are kept and available to all. I really hope Toby and team have some robust back-up measures in place. I expect there are going to be a lot of people who would like this evidence to disappear. I have suggested lodging the site’s contents at the Churchill College Archives Centre , along with Churchill’s and Maggie’s papers, for future historians to study.

332948 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Roger Marlow, 3, #20 of 1601 🔗

Also, UK Column has been a rolling news timeline in videos and their website.

333111 ▶▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Roger Marlow, 8, #21 of 1601 🔗

I’m a bit of a diarist, and this year, or certainly since late February, I have made sure to write down each day what’s going on in the news re Covid, and how it’s affecting the lives of my family. I want it all to go down in history, like those who kept diaries during the war.

333116 ▶▶▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 8, #22 of 1601 🔗

I already read back in it to the spring, and am amazed at how, so early on, so many people, many of them medical professionals, spoke out about their scepticism. I very quickly became sceptical too, because my common sense told me that things just didn’t sound right.

333927 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Roger Marlow, #23 of 1601 🔗

I seem to remember the Guardian were ordered to erase some information, I think relating to Assange. Their position was, it’s all backed up anyway, it won’t make any difference. I would hope it was the same for this. In any case, the Nazi scum tried to cover their tracks as well, and we still had successful prosecutions from the first Nuremberg trials. No, I don’t think the government and big pharma will be able to comprehensively cover their tracks.

332345 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to PW, 39, #24 of 1601 🔗

I’ve been keeping a lockdown diary from March 21st. Not very good, and there are plenty of things I will have missed out, but I thought it would be interesting for future reference, and have noted for posterity some of the things which have upset me. Typical comments from the early days – “grandma’s birthday ruined”, “a drive to go for a walk is banned”. I dare say there will be people who have done it properly. I hope so anyway. I was angry from the start as they closed the churches to everyone.
I’m on page 119 now (though probably not much more than 100 words per page).
Anybody’s guess what page I’ll be on when this is over…

332348 ▶▶▶ PW, replying to Hugh, 5, #25 of 1601 🔗

Thanks Hugh,…I was thinking more of a general timeline based on Government/Media statements….”eat out to help out” seems light years away now….we had a few days in Norfolk in late August and took advantage of that scheme once, only after our daughter pointed it out to us!

333930 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to PW, #26 of 1601 🔗

“eat out to help out” – it didn’t take them long to change their mind did it? And they expect us to follow all this…

332352 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Hugh, 17, #27 of 1601 🔗

How about a page titled „today I stopped complying with the covidiocy“?

332353 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Elisabeth, 25, #28 of 1601 🔗

Well – I found the people wearing masks quite amusing at first but when they eventually decided in July that it should be compulsory in shops, I thought I was blowed if I was doing that having managed without through a peak in April and then a drop to less than 100 deaths/week. I did note this though from April Fool’s day (I think almost all were fools by then). “Only 2000 NHS staff tested. Care home residents appear abandoned to their fate – stories of exhausted care home workers travelling between care homes, the infected in care homes to remain there. Not allowed to hospital. God help Grandma [who was in a care home then]” This must never happen again.

332573 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Hugh, 31, #29 of 1601 🔗

I have stopped wearing masks and would urge you all to do likewise.

332779 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Janette, 18, #30 of 1601 🔗

I never started Janette….I have never minded being set apart from the crowd and in a perverse way I enjoy it. I just look around at the sad maskoids and think how utterly pathetic they look mumbling to each other through steamed up glasses. I just breeze in with a big smile on my face and yes I get some envious looks. Every now and again I see another unmasked face and always let on to them….its a bit like being in a secret club. Being a fairly big guy (not fat!) deters most people from challenging me but you still get the odd idiot.

333161 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #31 of 1601 🔗

I got chased around Tesco Belmont, Hereford a few days ago by the little lad on the door that does the greeting for my non-mask status. I’m 6′, male and pretty athletic. I sent the lad away with a “I have a reasonable excuse under the regulations” because I refuse to state I have an ‘exemption’. A few aisles later I was challenged by the 6′ 3″ security guard. He was also sent away with same conversation. I half expected an encounter with West Mercia’s finest before I left the store. However we were still in Tier 1 that week and I think they were busy chasing away hordes of Tier 3 Bristolians and people unfortunate to live under the alcohol-free fist of Dictator Drakeford.

333410 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 1, #32 of 1601 🔗

Interesting…. I am not too far away in South Shropshire and my mother was born in Hereford and Bob Chadd from the department store was my great uncle. Always loved Hereford Cathedral and the river and the Castle Grounds. I have not encountered anything as bad as you had but I’m sure its only a matter of time. I have had aggro from 2 customers but I have just told them I am not answerable to them.

332457 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Hugh, 33, #33 of 1601 🔗

Sounds like a good idea Hugh, especially being able to vent your hurt and upset with the written word. I am not a regular church goer but I have always loved midnight mass on Christmas Eve. The minister volunteered closing before it was mandated. Just a pathetic sign on the door and on the corner notice board, ‘please keep safe’. I was told not to feel depressed about it, but I wasn’t depressed I was furious. I just don’t understand how a minister can stand up in a church professing his faith in God and ministering to his congregation when he has got that claptrap on his noticeboard. It was the most unholy Christmas I have ever experienced and I won’t be setting foot in that church again.

332485 ▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Girl down Under, 23, #34 of 1601 🔗

I feel exactly the same; I now feel reluctant to renew a sense of community with those who have accepted the church’s willing adoption of State panic. Dr McGrogan’s piece today seems to nail the possible reasons; Lockdown is the ‘ethical’ thing to do and so we must be ‘morally correct’ at all costs.

332506 ▶▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Jane G, 9, #35 of 1601 🔗

Does my head in Jane. I think you are right, somehow I think they are doing themselves out of a job. Having said that, the amount of incense that man burns in there would kill anything, including corona.

333934 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Girl down Under, #36 of 1601 🔗

maybe this can act as a purifying of the church, sorting out those who are willing to take a stand from those who are Christian in name only?

I seem to remember reading that smoking used to be used as a way of slowing the spread of these bugs.

333933 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Girl down Under, #37 of 1601 🔗

My anti-lockdown church has already had trouble with the police (hence me keeping a bit tight-lipped), I think they are going as far as they dare. Did you ever see that film, “Dusk ‘Til Dawn”? A horror-comedy with a preacher having to help a couple of crooks when exorcism was required/ He eventually told them ” I’m a mean mmm… man of God”, having initially lost his nerve. That’s what we need, people to stand up and be counted. (Love midnight mass btw, even if I wasn’t a regular, I’d probably still go to that. Ours was probably as normal as we could get away with).

332952 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Hugh, #38 of 1601 🔗

I’ve done the same. More my thoughts and emotions, but a very powerful indicator of where I’ve been this last year, and now moving forward.

333117 ▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Hugh, #39 of 1601 🔗

Me too!

332359 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PW, 46, #40 of 1601 🔗

Not me but I was watching a Timeline documentary on the London plague of 1665 and the ineffectual measures taken against it.
An unattributed quote

‘For a thousand lives taken by the pestilence ten thousand more were taken by locking the people in their homes’.

333318 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to PW, 2, #41 of 1601 🔗

There is a timeline of the W.H.O. beginning in October/November 2019, or thereabouts. I have been following LS since it began and have cut and pasted hundreds of people’s comments and links to articles since then. Go to the Gates Foundation website and check their timeline. They proudly display it like a tickertape at the bottom of the page.

332341 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 46, #42 of 1601 🔗

Tom Blackburn linked to a piece in the NY Times (at the end of yesterday’s btl) about child starvation in a number of countries being caused by the “global pandemic” (government lockdowns really). For me, this is one of the most shameful aspects of the nonsense we’ve been enduring since mask, and we should make sure any zealot who says “granny killer|” knows what their lockdowns are causing.

332350 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #44 of 1601 🔗

Thanks. Judging by David McGrogan’s comments, this is just the sort of thing we need. The trouble will be convincing them it’s happening because of government lockdowns rather than a “global pandemic”.

Of course you could compare this large scale starvation with the tiny number of children who have died from cv (and few if any of their teachers after catching it from their pupils).

332838 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Hugh, 4, #45 of 1601 🔗

Yes – zealots can’t conflate the 2 issues. “What we are doing here isn’t killing those kids is it?” – they don’t see the connection.

332351 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Hugh, 1, #46 of 1601 🔗

(should read “since March” obvs. – bu then again…)

332377 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 41, #47 of 1601 🔗

The selfishness of lockdown cretins simply flabbergasts me, given the sanctimonious hypocrisy that goes with it.

332816 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, 25, #48 of 1601 🔗

As Lord Sumption has said it is highly selfish of some fearful people to think its ok to eliminate the freedoms of others. Its the zealots who are the real selfish ones and boy have I pointed that out to them including some in my wider family. Needless to say I received fewer christmas cards this year but stuff them if thats what they want to be like. They seem to think its ok to spout their views but you are not supposed to respond. As Corporal Jones used to say…’they don’t like it up ’em’.

333937 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Boris Bullshit, #49 of 1601 🔗

“Don’t panic, Captain Mainwaring, do not panic…they don’t like it up’em, they do not like it up ’em! Fix bayonets – charge! (Private Frazer) – you’re not going to charge the damn virus are ye?” Ye might as well charge the virus with a bayonet as do some of the tuff that they’ve been doing!

333375 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Hugh, 2, #50 of 1601 🔗

Send James O’Brien links to these stories. Kay Burley as well. Anyone you can think of.

333938 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to bebophaircut, #51 of 1601 🔗

Oh is he that LBC idiot who thinks he’s clever. If you could post a link at the top of tomorrow’s btl (or get omeone else to do so?) Yes I’m afraid I really am that lazy…

332343 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 159, #52 of 1601 🔗

Ofsted piece: “ When children are forced into remote education by Covid,”…

They are not being forced into remote education by Covid. They are being forced into remote education by the reaction to Covid.

Careless talk costs lives.

332462 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #53 of 1601 🔗

Exactly!

332825 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 22, #54 of 1601 🔗

This is a never ending confusion…and the media use it relentlessly and sadly the sheep believe it. I often see so called economists (and I am one) talking about the horrendous costs of the ‘pandemic’ but there did not need to have been any costs at all. Who on earth ever talked about the ‘economic costs of influenza’! Almost all the people who have died from covid were not economically active so the costs would have been few and far between. Yes there would have been a drop in tax revenue from pensions but against that would have been set the huge saved costs of caring for and supporting that group.

333038 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Boris Bullshit, 16, #55 of 1601 🔗

Ditto for the New Variant scare tactics.

There are over 4000 variants identified this year Dr Mike Yeadon has explained this.
We need to ask why the other 3999 are benign.

333104 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #56 of 1601 🔗

Remember, “Covid” is an event that is being exploited, nothing to do with the virus.

333255 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #57 of 1601 🔗

And that is what so many cannot get into their heads.

332354 Cecil B, 29, #58 of 1601 🔗

We are being dictated to by savages

They deserve to be treated as savages

332355 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #59 of 1601 🔗

A heartening story in the Telegraph about plans to build “international ports” along the pirate coast of Somalia to stimulate legal economic growth. Isn’t that just super?

And companies from which countries are collaborating to finance this wheeze? China, Turkey and the United Idiot Kingdom.

332363 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #60 of 1601 🔗

The pirates will find all the new facilities most convenient.

332433 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 3, #61 of 1601 🔗

To loot and sell.

332640 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Annie, 1, #62 of 1601 🔗

Presumably they will be able to claim asylum there, and then be transported hither at our expense.

That’s a joke. Obviously that will never happen.

333939 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, #63 of 1601 🔗

Stuffing bent EU fishing arrangements etc. that played a big part in driving them into piracy. The fact it was a failed state obviously didn’t help.

332682 ▶▶ mj, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #64 of 1601 🔗

chinas belt and road policy. Yes we will finance and build you a port. then you will owe us billions . then you will not be able to pay us back due to the CCP initiated lockdown depression. So then we will make an agreement to take your resources , take over the port and use it as a naval base (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-trap_diplomacy )

332805 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to mj, 3, #65 of 1601 🔗

That’s when they don’t just come right out and say, as they did to Sri Lanka, “let us build a naval base or we won’t give you any money”.

333109 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to mj, 2, #66 of 1601 🔗

Just following the US mode of operation. See John Perkins, “Confessions”.

332837 ▶▶ midlandsagainstlockdown, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #67 of 1601 🔗

No surprise. Brexit Britain is in the pocket of the CCP.

332356 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 6, #68 of 1601 🔗

Are you suggesting that Bozo’s use of “build back better” was an accident?

332517 ▶▶ jb12, replying to mattghg, 1, #69 of 1601 🔗

I’d say more incompetent than accidental.

332840 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to jb12, 1, #70 of 1601 🔗

There was a story in the news this week that the PM’s aides have been aghast at his inability to stick to a script, combined with his inability to deliver a downbeat message. The result is that whenever he has to deliver a negative message, he insists on including something nebulous, upbeat, and undeliverable. “World Beating Track and Trace”, “the Vaccine Cavalry”, and “Build Back Better” are prime examples.

333601 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Sceptical Steve, #71 of 1601 🔗

Except ‘build back better’ is globalist scum lingo signifying the intention to kill the plebs for the planet. Yours is a nice story though, it is just it is more theatre to make you think those responsible for this are not following the plan.

332357 Stephen Priest, 11, #72 of 1601 🔗

Hospitals In Britain Stretched to Capacity?

Every year NHS hospitals are stretched to capacity, and they keep reducing the number of beds. A claimed bed shortage is now the government’s justification for tyranny. – Tony Heller

https://newtube.app/TonyHeller/wT8uHfr

332364 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 15, #73 of 1601 🔗

Maybe, just maybe, the closure of schools might get some lockdown zealots to think, “is the price too high? ”
Then they’ll remind themselves “No. This is needed, until we’re all vaccinated.” and get ready to mask up, once more.

332367 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 27, #74 of 1601 🔗

Schools were closed most of lsst year and the zealots didn’t give a f..k.

332829 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, 7, #75 of 1601 🔗

They really dont care…childrens’ futures are expendable to extend the lives of those in gods waiting room.

332373 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to PatrickF, 22, #76 of 1601 🔗

Zealots are not interested in anything but the Word of Covid. And dissident interpretations of the Word are heretical and punishable by ostracism (until they graduate to burning at the stake, which won’t be long.)

332408 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to PatrickF, 35, #77 of 1601 🔗

No chance. They love it.

One of the most depressing aspects of this whole thing has been seeing how people with fairly humdrum middle management jobs have fallen over themselves to “take action”, even where their roles have nothing to do with public health or health and safety. It has given purpose to their sad, banal lives, and they’ve developed a taste for it.

332579 ▶▶▶ Stellacartoonist, replying to Now More Than Ever, 28, #78 of 1601 🔗

Strange how academics have argued for decades about why ordinary Germans so casually went along with the Nazi propaganda, isnt it? If you keep people confused they will end up just shrugging their shoulders and getting on with their own survival. Orwell nailed it, with his ” …we have always been at war with Eurasia”.

332859 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Stellacartoonist, 7, #79 of 1601 🔗

It was a major mystery when I was a child…no I see very clearly how easily it happened. I am just disgusted at the behaviour of millions in this country…proud to be British? You have got to be joking.

333238 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #80 of 1601 🔗

They exploited it as an opportunity for marketing, a reason to glut your inbox and push their presence in your face. They banked on virtue-signalling and installing covid theatre winning customers.

333444 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Now More Than Ever, #81 of 1601 🔗

Many of them over egging the pudding or jumping on the gun – all to virtue signal and profit from the misery of others (expanding product ranges to include the Holy Gunk and fashion muzzles for a start)

332365 Annie, replying to Annie, 12, #82 of 1601 🔗

Stalin Dungford’s plan to put a stop to all economic activity in Wales is going really well:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/major-chains-been-wiped-out-19549764

332372 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 12, #83 of 1601 🔗

It’s a good start, but it’s not enough. All shops that kowtow to the rules should be boycotted until they die.

332376 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #84 of 1601 🔗

One shop in Tenby already has. It was a prize kow-tower. No grief.

332414 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 4, #85 of 1601 🔗

(I like Tenby very much. Actually I like Pembrokeshire in general very much. Nice memories from 2019, a thousand years ago.)

332868 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, 1, #86 of 1601 🔗

You should pin one of your notices up on his shop door explaining why he went bust and why its karma….I hope he/she enjoys his universal credit.

333747 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Boris Bullshit, #87 of 1601 🔗

Yes, I intend to.

332385 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Annie, 7, #88 of 1601 🔗

Vote Marxism…. get Marxism

332599 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 7, #89 of 1601 🔗

Vote Tory get fascism 🙂

332871 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to RickH, #90 of 1601 🔗

Now now you two lol keep it clean!

332600 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cecil B, #91 of 1601 🔗

Tory? Boris? Marxist?

332368 Annie, replying to Annie, 13, #92 of 1601 🔗

Can medical experts please tell us: if a victim patient gets a first dose of this (RNA-tweaking?) Pfizer-jab, and a (delayed) second dose of the (dead-virus?) A-Z jab, how are the two of them likely to interact?

332389 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 10, #93 of 1601 🔗

This is certainly what I’ve been wondering. The “cocktail effect”. Worse by far to mix vaccines than mix drinks and, given the vax reactions we are already seeing, then goodness knows what effects there might be from combining the pair of them in the same person.

332432 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to ElizaP, 4, #94 of 1601 🔗

Withnail : Liar. What’s in your toolbox?
I : No, we have nothing. Sit down.
W : Liar. You’ve got antifreeze.
I : You bloody fool, you should never mix your drinks!
[Withnail laughs hysterically and falls to the floor, then vomits on Marwood’s feet]

332403 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Annie, 13, #95 of 1601 🔗

I am certain the reply will be “no data available”. Because that is very much the reply to all questions that have been about these vaccines, because the reality is they haven’t a clue!

332413 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 10, #96 of 1601 🔗

Yes, the obvious question which no one seems to want to discuss, let alone postulate an answer.

A further one is what happens if the gap between first and second jabs is so long that a third jab may be necessary? Does anyone have any idea of the implications of this? Is it safe??

No answers of course. Just keep playing media politics.

332521 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to TJN, 10, #97 of 1601 🔗

Any possibility of a vaccine resistant mutation as a result of delayed or mixed vaccines. I can’t believe they are advocating it to pregnant women when studies have not been completed on potential side effects, crossing the placenta. If the vaccine can enter the foetal blood system, as an extreme auto immune response has been discussed as a possible negative affect, what could be the outcome on a newborn if the child contracts a normal cold, or indeed when it receives the normal child vaccines.

332637 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Hattie, 4, #98 of 1601 🔗

Yes, more pertinent questions to which no answers are forthcoming. Anyone who isn’t already in a very high risk group would be nuts to get these jabs.

332646 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to TJN, 4, #99 of 1601 🔗

As would anyone who is in a high risk group.

333004 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Annie, 7, #100 of 1601 🔗

Nobody knows. It’s a giant experiment.

333397 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #101 of 1601 🔗

And it’s illegal.

332369 NorthumbrianNomad, 83, #102 of 1601 🔗

I was talking to a former lukewarm sceptic, recently converted to zealotry by the “new variant” onslaught. She was ranting about people in France going to raves (I suppose she’s been watching the BBC propaganda, where I imagine they have a regular “scold” session denouncing the non-compliant), and shouting “it’s wrong, wrong, wrong! Why can’t people obey the rules!” Later she was complaining about the hardships of Tier 4 and not being able to see anybody, and it was all washing over my head a bit so I just said, “Oh, well, if you want to lock yourself away, you’re perfectly within your rights, it’s a free country.”

Which had the unintended, but pleasing effect of briefly frying her brain circuits.

332370 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 18, #103 of 1601 🔗

COVID TEST

  1. Sweden has been in the news more than typically in 2020 because of its absence of a lockdown to deal with of COVID. On the ‘Worldometer’ COVID website where did it rank out of 48 European countries in COVID deaths per 1,000,000:
  2. Highest deaths/ million ?
  3. 8th highest
  4. 18th highest
  5. Schools are being shutdown in January because of the risk of children and teachers getting Covid. How many children under 20 died after a positive COVID test in England and Wales over the first 51 weeks of 2020:
  6. 20 in 10,000 (0.2%)
  7. 20 in 1,000,000 (0.002%)
  8. 20 (0.00013%)
  9. President Trump received huge criticism earlier this year for saying that children were virtually immune from COVID. How many Americans out of 103,000,000 under 25 have died of COVID up to week 48 this year:
  10. 459,000 (0.45%)
  11. 4,590 (0.0045%)
  12. 459   (0.00045%)
  13. Sticking with America, on the CDC (Centres for Disease Control) website, they estimate the number of excess deaths caused by COVID. How do they adjust for the very significant increases in population and age over the last five years:
  14. They stratify the population into 5-year age groups, and adjust for the increase in each group
  15. They stratify the population into 10-year age groups, and adjust for the increase in each group
  16. This is ignored, there is a note in the small print covering this disparity of tens of thousands of excess deaths
  17. According to Full Fact, a self- declared fact checking charity, as at August 5th the mean level of deaths that people thought had died from COVID in the UK was correctly identified as 7% or around 4 million people.  They said this was inappropriate and the median should be used which was 1% so only out by a factor of 10. But what this self-certified truth seeking charity did not point out is how many people believed 5% or more of the population (3,350,000 people +) had died from the virus. Was it
  18. 3%
  19. 30%
  20. 39%
  21. In another article on Full Fact, they criticised the Daily Mail for saying the week 44 death figure in 2020 was only just higher than the highest figure for the last 5 years, based on adjustments for population growth. The Mail adjusted the 2019 figure from 10,164 to 10,861, an increase of 6.8%, but Full Fact says that population growth between 2015-2019 averaged 0.7% per annum. However, the growth in the over 70s population (which represents around 80% of total deaths) between 2015 and 2019 was much higher. 9,618 people died in week 44 2015 and 10,887 people died in week 44 2020. In order for the Mail’s claim to be correct, the growth rate over the 6 years had to be 13.19%. Since accurate 2020 figures are not available, we took the growth rate for the 4 years to 2019 and increased it by the average growth rate for another year. Bearing in mind that the total growth would need to be at least 13.19% for the Mail  to be correct, what was the 5 year growth rate:
  22. 12.35%
  23. 14.35%
  24. 16.35%
  25. According to the ONS, how much higher were the total deaths for October 2020 than October 2019:
  26. 8,000
  27. 800
  28. 8
  29. According to the World Health Organisation, Herd Immunity is caused by:
  30. People having had an infection or being vaccinated against it
  31. Vaccination only
  32. Vaccination or infection until June 2020, then vaccination only
  33. According to the ONS, how many deaths of under 60 year olds in England and Wales were attributable to COVID in the first 51 weeks of 2020:
  34. 46,464  (0.1%)
  35. 23,232 (0.5%)
  36. 4,646 (0.01%)
332371 ▶▶ Laurence, replying to Laurence, 3, #104 of 1601 🔗

the formatting has been corrupted but there are 9 questions with 3 multiple choice answers each

332459 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Laurence, 1, #105 of 1601 🔗

Very clever idea – well done

A quiz format could have an impact on people

332502 ▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Julian, #106 of 1601 🔗

Terrific letterbox drop idea.

332628 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Girl down Under, 3, #107 of 1601 🔗

I agree, a good idea in principle, but this version is far too longwinded and complex. And the numbering format needs to be sorted out. Stick to a few simple facts to get the interest of waiverers.

333403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ken Gardner, 2, #108 of 1601 🔗

Some people believe that millions have died. Mind boggling.

333416 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Julian, #109 of 1601 🔗

Yeah. Multiple choice. Make it look as innocent and cancel proof as possible.

332595 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Laurence, 1, #110 of 1601 🔗

Answers – all of the above – we’re all gonna die! (Gibbers with panic)

332740 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Laurence, 9, #111 of 1601 🔗

Great idea the quiz. I like the letterbox drop comment too. All it would need it a zealot / hysterical (emotinal) trigger type headline and intro to get the so called majority to start to engage with it. Not a lockdown truth piece…

However, whilst I see open compliance out and about, talking to anyone reveals they aren’t necessarily happy with it. The majority of people aren’t vocal at all in any form, on social media and in public or person. The kind of skewed data where we have the lockdown zealots looking like they are the majority is the same in many things.

Remain looked much bigger than leave, the look on Camerons face…
Cancel culture seems to be huge at the moment, but is a small resistance with a big mouth.
The French resistance wasn’t very big at all, not that you’d have known after the war with all their supporters…
The blm movement looked huge, for a while.
extiction rebellion too, seems to be shrinking in numbers, efforts and support too.

The majority are to be found in the middle and are more like us than we think :>)

I’m up for delivering leaflets to help, just like this quiz.

332992 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Simon, 5, #112 of 1601 🔗

‘Cancel culture is a small resistance with a big mouth’- The loudest voices are the paid trollers – some of the (at least) 20,000 people who are employed to go online and ‘shame’ people about whatever the latest bit of mind control is – they’re not the general public but they’re there to mess with our heads. The best way to stop them? Ask them how much they’re paid and politely suggest they find a better means of employment – it’s worked for me..

333156 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jos, #113 of 1601 🔗

Conservative Woman has been crawling with them BTL this last couple of days. Sickening!

333408 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to jos, #114 of 1601 🔗

Funded by Soros?

332374 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 55, #115 of 1601 🔗

This lady Duffel should be arrested, as should Ferguson, who set this greater threat to children mutant virus in motion, without clear evidence.

Putting parents in fear of their children’s mortality is too much. This charade is a coordinated left-wing attempt to stop all exams again this year. That we have a government packed with ministers consumed by fear and an opposition controlled by Public Unions make their chances of getting what they want almost certain.

Bunter’s reshuffle should rid all those paralysed by fear in his government. Gove is first to come to mind. He is running fast out of time.

332378 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to nottingham69, 4, #116 of 1601 🔗

agreed

332382 ▶▶ Will, replying to nottingham69, 21, #117 of 1601 🔗

Even the Reich ministry for propaganda and public enlightenment has chucked that Duffel bitch under a bus. She should be arrested.

332384 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Will, 8, #118 of 1601 🔗

More likely to be made a Dame I’m afraid.

332878 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to nottingham69, 3, #119 of 1601 🔗

Gove seems to have been completely bought off…wonder how much he was offered?

333157 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #120 of 1601 🔗

Gove has always been a self-serving slimy little toad.

333271 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #121 of 1601 🔗

And those are his best points.

333405 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to nottingham69, 5, #122 of 1601 🔗

I am well to the left of Jeremy Corbyn but want my grandkids at school, Jezza voted against lockdowns so can you please stop this left/right nonsense?

332375 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 23, #123 of 1601 🔗

Encouraging to see Amanda Spielman speaking out in the Sunday Telegraph, as covered in today’s editorial.

There are many experts who have strongly criticised or questioned the government/sage policies but…

WHY has noone inside the cabal broken ranks and made a stand against it? There must be a great many insiders aware of what is going on.

HOW can we persuade some of these people to act on their consciences and break ranks?

Targeting these people (contacting them individually?) could be the catalyst for things to change?

332394 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to SilentP, 11, #124 of 1601 🔗

Seems we need a modern day version of Mata Hari – ready to sleep with the enemy for the sake of the common good (well our common good in this case). Don’t look at me – I live in Stalag Wales and the thought of even being in the same room as Drakeford for a second time has probably just put me off my breakfast…as I’m still regretting not accidentally on purpose spilling a drink over him when he was pointed out to me as “likely next leader of Welsh Assembly”.

332659 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to ElizaP, 2, #125 of 1601 🔗

Dibs on Marianna Spring

332631 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to SilentP, 8, #126 of 1601 🔗

Desmond Swayne for health minister!

332379 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 25, #127 of 1601 🔗

The people have not suffered enough

They still have Netflix and Strictly (whatever that is). They can still get a bucket of lard delivered to their home each evening. Life is good

As sure as night follows day the gulags and summary execution will be imposed

Even then they will not be stirred

They will still denounce their families and friends as they do now

Eventually it will be their turn to stare down the barrel of a gun or freeze in a gulag

As they face their maker they will still be unable to fathom out how they got there

332405 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 18, #128 of 1601 🔗

According to Solzhenitsyn when people who considered themselves the most committed Communists and most highly loyal to Comrade Stalin yet still found themselves in the Gulag instead of changing their point of view they continued to be loyal because the party is always right.

Mothers would write to their children ‘confessing’ their guilt because only after denouncing their parent could the child progress in the radiant workers paradise.

332422 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 2, #129 of 1601 🔗

“Long live Comrade Stalin!” (Makarov clicks)

332380 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 6, #130 of 1601 🔗

Just looking at the Lewisham website.

For the week ended 31/12/20, ‘cases’ in London have come down by 16,000 (5%) from the previous week (subject to revision). Presumably now the schools in London can go back ?!

332409 ▶▶ Laurence, replying to Laurence, 4, #131 of 1601 🔗

sorry, that should read the rate of increase in cases has gone down by 16,000 (about 20%)

332381 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 65, #132 of 1601 🔗

Today’s newsletter is an important one, the article about Dr David McGrogan’s, analysis of lockdowns is perceptive and seems to get to the heart of the matter. We lockdown sceptics might as well be talking Martian or Klingon for all the effect it has, I am afraid that it is true that facts data and rational analysis have little impact or effect on many people.
In my view this has been made far worse by the aching vacuum and crass inability at the centre of our government. Hence we have stories like the one in today’s news above of the nurse proclaiming about the number of sick children and we have jumped up health tyrants and computer modellers making pronouncements as if they were running the country, which in effect they are because, at the centre of Government we have a vacuous inept man of straw, with no clear strategy and no intellectual ability to analyse what is happening and no leadership ability to stamp his authority on anything.
To escape from all this i sometimes watch old WW2 films on TV, the contrast between the character of the various Governments and leaders at that time and the current situation is quite stark.
Having said all that I am not sure what can be done?

332410 ▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to Steve Martindale, 63, #133 of 1601 🔗

I agree. The David McGrogan article is very good.

Would add one thought: fear. That is the key ingredient. The population (including me) got very afraid in March, based on the images on TV. Right through human history, collective fear has been associated with deeply irrational, authoritarian and single-minded behaviour. That behaviour then becomes moralized and quickly becomes religious in its fervour. It cannot be questioned and anyone who does is a traitor.

Various witch doctors, or priests, or governments emerge to orchestrate things. They always position themselves as having the answers and they have limited incentive to reduce the fear. They tend to ramp it up. Perpetuating it increases their power. But, everyone (including themselves) believes they are acting in the best interests of humanity. They also tend to be popular.

Lots of historical parallels exist. We all believe now that WW1, the Nazis, Bolsheviks, Salem Witch Trials, Lynchings and McCarthy (for example) were bad periods of history where big evil mistakes were made. But, at the time they were all popular phenomena and emerged from fear. WW1 generals were not reviled during the war, for example. The Earl Haig Fund is testament to that. Revulsion only came later. Try being a conscientious objector too in WW1 or Sophie Scholl in Nazi Germany. Not many people chose those paths, although we all like to think we might do today. Of course, we do. At the time, doing that would have needed true courage and to rise above the fear.

What we are seeing is similar. It is not so unique in human history. Eventually it will play itself out. Then, historians will shake their heads and ask what exactly was going on. The people who come to this site are already asking those questions but we are a minority. For sure.

I am not sure too much can be done. This needs to play out. Unfortunately.

332563 ▶▶▶ Bartleby, replying to Stephensceptic, 20, #134 of 1601 🔗

Yes, the article is good – but it echoes the exact same sentiments posted on here several times by many of us. It’s above the line, and he’s a professor, but that’s about the only difference. I can’t recall when but I posted something about logic and facts not working and needing to use some of the dark arts of fear – suicides, cancer deaths, dementia deaths, starvation – in other words, using the same kind of propaganda techniques that have been used against many populations.

The issue we will always have with that however is that people will still be more scared of what they see as an immediate threat. The second issue is that none of the mainstream media are making any sort of consistent focus on the dangerous & harmful outcomes of lockdown. The third issue we have is that even now, some of the key proponents of lockdowns are marking their own homework and pushing more nonsense about how many lives they have saved. Imperial have done that recently and been criticised for it – see – Model used to evaluate lockdowns was flawed (medicalxpress.com)

332420 ▶▶ TC, replying to Steve Martindale, 27, #135 of 1601 🔗

McGrogan is,I suspect,quite right.
In my hopefully reasoned conversations with other people on the virus I find they are already sceptical or rigidly in tune with the government propaganda and I am reduced to saying to the latter then show me your plague wagons and mass graves for all the dead.
It does little good as they seem to feel comfortable with the herd.
I should know as my wife is one of them.
Unfortunately,I find myself slipping into unquestionong ways: just who is Owen Jones? I’m afraid as soon as I hear he writes for “The Guardian” I am prejudiced against him despite not reading what I presume to be his divel.
Never mind,I coukld be living in Wales or Scotland.

332464 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TC, 52, #136 of 1601 🔗

The problem is, as you say, people will just not trust what they see with their own eyes. Even though the blackboards outside my shop have an element of snark on occasions, the points I make are true. Someone yesterday came in and loftily told me that he would not be buying anything because he took exception to what I had correctly stated on the board (i.e everything is being destroyed for a disease that has a > 99% recovery rate).

332499 ▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to kh1485, 15, #137 of 1601 🔗

Anything like that happens here they are pilloried on social media and castigated by these MPs in the daily presser. Gosh I feel for you kh, I don’t know how anyone does it in hospitality. In our area all cafes, restaurants and clubs were closed down except for takeaway at their discretion over Christmas and new year, but the health minkster (that’s a typo but I like it) went on a rant on tv because no one was there to answer the phone to help the contact tracers. From Jan 1 a $5000 fine if cafe/restaurant/haidresser hasn’t set up track and trace through Services NSW. I don’t think these politicians have any kind of grasp on reality.

332511 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Girl down Under, 36, #138 of 1601 🔗

Thanks GdU. Sorry to hear things are so grim in NSW. The friend I run the business with has relatives there and they are all fully signed up to the hysteria.

I suspect the ‘shaming’ of us is not far off (had a fair bit of it from the scummy yummy mummy brigade about me not wanting sanitiser in the shop – I won’t take lectures from any woman who thinks it is right to smear her young child with chemicals … ). But I think what keeps me going is that I know I am right (not in an arrogant way but just because of my own experience and what I see with my own eyes). I will continue to defend the LS view and if it offends, then so be it. Getting the truth out is more important to me than fore-lock tugging to some customer!

332755 ▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to kh1485, 4, #139 of 1601 🔗

Where are you and can I come?

332902 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Simon, 9, #140 of 1601 🔗

If all LS lived in your pretty town kh you would have more customers than Starbucks and Costa etc amalgamated!

332918 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #141 of 1601 🔗

Town not so pretty now BB. Walked to the car park yesterday afternoon after work and the place should have been heaving but it was dead. Really sad to see.

332915 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Simon, 2, #142 of 1601 🔗

There’s a link in the ‘Open for business’ bit, er … near Cambridge.

332894 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 9, #143 of 1601 🔗

Did he attempt to rebutt the truth of what your notice actually said? I suspect not. Well if I was passing your cafe and saw that notice I would become a weekly regular!

332912 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Boris Bullshit, 6, #144 of 1601 🔗

No he didn’t. Just had a bit of a hissy fit “I’m not coming in so … ner” We just shrugged our shoulders and said “Fine … but what we are saying is true”. Just goes to further prove the emotion/reason argument.

333430 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 1, #145 of 1601 🔗

Yes I find the same as the good Doctor above said.

332484 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #146 of 1601 🔗

I am writing to a couple of MPs here in Sydney and I would like to quote some of what Dr McGrogan says. It is very good. I am trying a different tack this time. These MPs are behaving like arrogant upstarts. I think they have forgotten who votes them in and need to be reminded. Do you think it is ok to quote him? We don’t watch news anymore. We are re-experiencing the joy of Heartbeat, Nigella Bites, and MASH.

332635 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Girl down Under, 4, #147 of 1601 🔗

I think you are free to quote anyone whose views are freely available.

332980 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #148 of 1601 🔗

I’m with Biker: old Lovejoy is therapeutic. Ye Olde Englande circa 1985, indeed ‘an age’ ago.

333232 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to TyRade, #149 of 1601 🔗

Lovejoy is my hero, top show!

333433 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to stefarm, 2, #150 of 1601 🔗

My much older brother sat next to Ian MacShane at junior school.

333260 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #151 of 1601 🔗

Say no to the vaccines and that may well scupper them.

332383 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #152 of 1601 🔗

To date has there been a single case of a contested covid fixed penalty notice going to trial in the the magistrates courts?

When I refer to a trial I mean a case where the individual pleads not guilty and the State has to produce witnesses to prove the case

The regime trumpets fines imposed. However it appears that these cases relate to people who have given false names and addresses and have therefore not answered any of the paperwork.

These ‘false details’ cases will have then been ‘proved’ in the defendants absence based on the paperwork

I suspect the regime is avoiding contested trials as it’s going to open a can of worms and could lead to the legislation being declared unlawful

Strange…. no such case reported after 10 months of fixed penalty notices

332391 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cecil B, 17, #153 of 1601 🔗

The Hansard web-site states that 330 different Coronavirus statutory instruments have been laid before Parliament since this hoo-haa started. If you do as you are entitled and reject a fixed penalty notice and opt for a court case the police have to draft a full set of paperwork which then has to go to the CPS for consideration of a court case being brought. I am not sure how many people issued with fixed penalty notices have rejected them and requested a court case? I imagine that going down this route takes up a lot of Police and CPS time.
The whole legal side of this nonsense has been appalling I have twice written to Suella Braverman MP and Attorney General about the way the law is being used but have had no reply. It is indicative of the way this government works that Parliament enacts 330 Statutory Instruments and yet we hear nothing from the Attorney General whose main claim to fame seems to be keeping entirely invisible. Although I do sometimes wonder if she and the likes of Rishi Sunak are keeping themselves clear of the current mess ready to step in at some stage?

332396 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #154 of 1601 🔗

Agree, but not one contested case in the Magistrates Court? That can’t be by accident. That would have to be a policy imposed from on high

332406 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #155 of 1601 🔗

She’s hardly so invisible as the former Attorney General, our absent without leave MP.

332455 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #156 of 1601 🔗

Braverman? Funny name for a member of the Poodle Parliament.

332411 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 8, #157 of 1601 🔗

I still remember when they abandoned all ongoing lockdown prosecutions in early summer saying the Police had used legislation only applicable in Wales. That was complete rubbish, it was because they knew no actual crime had been committed.

332456 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #158 of 1601 🔗

Some poor English sod was fined for the dreadful crime of driving to Tenby to but a bouncy castle. Don’t know whether he paid up or not.

332458 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 9, #159 of 1601 🔗

One of my customers is a magistrate. I’ll ask her to see what her experience has been.

332516 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Cecil B, 7, #160 of 1601 🔗

There was mention here ?2? weeks ago of a pro bono lawyer succeeding in getting a student’s 10k fine withdrawn.
I don’t know if this was in a magistrates court though.

332387 danny, replying to danny, 102, #161 of 1601 🔗

To any teacher applauding the shutdown (from a fellow teacher):
“Never talk to me again about your concerns about the vulnerable and the isolated in your classes.”

332400 ▶▶ Will, replying to danny, 23, #162 of 1601 🔗

That is the wickedness of it, the parents with sharp elbows will reap the rewards while the most disadvantaged will become ever more so.

332419 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Will, 9, #163 of 1601 🔗

Always the way, thermageddon too.

It’s the same the whole world over,
It’s the poor that get the blame,
It’s the rich that get the pleasure,
Ain’t it all a bloody shame.

332942 ▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #164 of 1601 🔗

‘rich’ should be replaced by ‘professional middle-class’

332920 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to danny, 7, #165 of 1601 🔗

That precisely the point Danny all they do is ‘talk’ especially at their dinner parties and its all virtue signalling. When it comes to their actions they show its all empty words.

332390 Colin, replying to Colin, 26, #166 of 1601 🔗

Dear Toby,

Re Laura Duffel-Bagge and other cases – it seems to me that Lockdownsceptics is increasingly playing the role of fact-checker of Covid misinformation disseminated by the establishment itself. This is a good thing and should be reflected in the website’s name and banners.

Have you checked out Guardian and Independent articled by a Dr Samantha Batt- something or other, Twitter celeb (and clearly an aspiring novelist) who gleefully describes “feeling a 20-year old’s ribs cracking as she tries to resuscitate him…”.
This is Covid Porn and needs to be called out as such.

332395 ▶▶ danny, replying to Colin, 18, #167 of 1601 🔗

Similar to Brighton council last night calling their actions in closing schools “brave”.
You just know they get all excited about making “the tough choices”, and rolling their shirt sleeve shirt up. Goes with their box set at home of The West Wing and biography of Napoleon on the
Bookshelf.

332417 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to danny, 4, #168 of 1601 🔗

From holiday in Cuba with a green screen backdrop of the Royal Pavillion?

333425 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #169 of 1601 🔗

What is a Green Screen backdrop?

333596 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to bebophaircut, #170 of 1601 🔗

It’s a computer technique where someone stands in front of a green screen. The computer can then project any kind of background desired. Used in the movies and now on Zoom fairly often.

332404 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Colin, 7, #171 of 1601 🔗

Lie detector more than fact check.

332759 ▶▶▶ Colin, replying to nottingham69, #172 of 1601 🔗

The second needs the first (us) to do its job…

332421 ▶▶ rose, replying to Colin, 14, #173 of 1601 🔗

Is the NHS gagging order only for people spilling the beans in one direction. Shouldn’t Laura Duffel Bag etc be sacked?

332423 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to rose, 13, #174 of 1601 🔗

I think you are quite correct.
The NHS has a history of bullying all who fall foul of it: chirp up publicly about it’s agenda supporting it and you’ll probably be marked for favour if you’re lucky but God help those who publicly “betray” the NHS cult.

332431 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TC, 26, #175 of 1601 🔗

The NHS has a history of bullying all who fall foul of it

Oh yes. When I finally secured meetings with staff at the hospital where my mum died, I was asked whether I wanted to bring someone with me as I may find things “intimidating”. That was like a red rag to a bull for me. I went on my own, armed with all my research to which the head honcho remarked, rather patronisingly, “you’ve been thorough, haven’t you …?”

332771 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 7, #176 of 1601 🔗

“If only you had been!” was your reply I hope.

332883 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 8, #177 of 1601 🔗

I said I owed it to my mum … And then I watched the bastards squirm as I read out what had happened to her.

332425 ▶▶▶ Colin, replying to rose, 4, #178 of 1601 🔗

Or “re-educated”….

332710 ▶▶ mj, replying to Colin, 4, #179 of 1601 🔗

last nights Casualty was totally covid porn / propaganda. although most watchers will think it was a documentary

332923 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to mj, 4, #180 of 1601 🔗

Now theres a surprise….did they not show Holby doctors making a tik tok video?

332393 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 50, #181 of 1601 🔗

Despite universities, democracy, Orwell, advances in medicine, PPS degrees from Oxford, Solzhenitsyn, the industrial revolution, men and women of the law, the holocaust, and computing, we have not progressed beyond burning witches

332415 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 14, #182 of 1601 🔗

Or sacrificing children to Moloch/NHS.

332567 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cecil B, 2, #183 of 1601 🔗

Orwell did not progress beyond Orwell. He informed a British government department about people he suspected of having Communist sympathies and sometimes threw in surmises about them being homosexual.

332662 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Cecil B, 12, #184 of 1601 🔗

I think there was some progression in the latter 20th century. And then came Facebook and we reverted to chimps.

332398 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 44, #185 of 1601 🔗

I decided to spend my Sunday afternoon creatively. I know that Gilbert and Sullivan are a bit niche nowadays, but I grew up with them and I’m very fond of them. (I’m also very fond of Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Stockhausen, Ashnikko, Die Antwoord and Wagner, by the way, so please don’t categorize me.)

The Lord High Executioner’s Song from The Mikado has traditionally had its words tweaked over the years to make contemporary points, so I thought it was high time to wheel it into service. If you feel like it, you can even sing along… here’s the karaoke accompaniment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mGzvmIRbok

[KO-KO]
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found
I’ve got a little list — I’ve got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground
And who never would be missed — who never would be missed!
There’s the sick-inducing Maoist mum who claps the NHS,
The celeb screaming “Lockdown!” from his Primrose Hill address,
Those giggling, fat-arsed nurses who on TikTok do gyrate,
For patients are there none – because the ward is in Tier Eight,
And Covid Marshal Nazis who barge in on lovers’ trysts —
They’d none of ’em be missed — they’d none of ’em be missed!

[Chorus]
He’s got ’em on the list — he’s got ’em on the list;
And they’ll none of ’em be missed — they’ll none of ’em be missed

[KO-KO]
There’s the doomy statistician with his graphs all out of sync
And that Guardian columnist — I’ve got him on the list!
And the fashionistas sporting Westwood masks in shocking pink,
They never would be missed — they never would be missed!
Then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone
All centuries but this and every country but his own;
The BLM protester who throws statues in the sea,
As her human right to outrage is denied to you and me;
And that singular anomaly, the Twitter Bolshevist,
I don’t think he’d be missed — I’m sure he’d not be missed!

[Chorus]
He’s got him on the list — he’s got him on the list;
And I don’t think he’ll be missed — I’m sure he’ll not be missed!

[KO-KO]
And that nuisance oxymoron who just now is rather rife,
The devolved dictatorist — I’ve got him* on the list!
All raving zealot analysts and clowns of private life —
They’d none of ’em be missed — they’d none of ’em be missed
And whingeing coward statesmen of a compromising kind
Such as – What d’you call him, Thingummy-bob, and likewise, Never-Mind,
And Tsk-Tsk-Tsk and What’s-his-name, and also You-know-who –
The task of filling up the blanks I’d rather leave to you,
But it really doesn’t matter whom you put upon the list,
For they’d none of ‘em be missed – they’d none of ‘em be missed!

[Chorus]
You may put ’em on the list — you may put ’em on the list;
And they’ll none of ’em be missed — they’ll none of ’em be missed!

*The word “her” may be substituted for a Scottish audience.

333186 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #186 of 1601 🔗

excellent. I was brought up on G&S then became a Wagner fan. I’ve been listening to the “Ring” a lot recently. it always seems topical.

333237 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #187 of 1601 🔗

Kindred spirits! I very much agree. Wagner cut the last words of Bruünnhilde’s immolation scene and I understand why – the music says it all, but they are still magnificent. “The blissful end of all eternity – do you gods know how I found it? The deepest suffering of unhappy love opened my eyes and I saw the world end.”

333531 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #188 of 1601 🔗

Let’s not allow these Technocrat Pretend Gods bring our house down.

333528 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #189 of 1601 🔗

Stockhausen. Attended one of his events in Montreal, around 1975. It was an audience participation happening. I still have an LP of his Momente in my collection and downloaded cd versions of Mikrophonie and other pieces on MP3.

332399 Stephen Priest, 10, #190 of 1601 🔗

PETER HITCHENS: Guess where Professor Lockdown got his ideas … China’s police state

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9106799/PETER-HITCHENS-Guess-Professor-Lockdown-got-ideas-Chinas-police-state.html

332402 Ossettian, 5, #191 of 1601 🔗

““ The New York Times ‘s UK vaccine clickbait ” – Debunking of the above story by Steerpike in the Spectator

He didn’t debunk it.

332407 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 9, #192 of 1601 🔗

Well worth watching. Vernon Coleman’s latest update on brandnewtube : https://brandnewtube.com/watch/make-no-mistake-this-is-genocide_kJBRkPY1j7MupJl.html

332497 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Suzyv, #193 of 1601 🔗

Why has he turned off comments ?

333295 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 2, #194 of 1601 🔗

Due to invasion by the 77th. He refuses to give them a platform.

332412 MikeMayUK, replying to MikeMayUK, 6, #195 of 1601 🔗

Out of curiosity, does anyone have the real deal on whether we’re experiencing a genuine second wave or just a casedemic? And whatever it is, what’s behind it? Dry Tinder or extended testing?

332434 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to MikeMayUK, 19, #196 of 1601 🔗

In my view there was a failure of courageous leadership at about the time Boris was ill, as soon as the number of weekly registered deaths came back to within 25% of the long term average and hospitals were doing OK they should have dropped all lock-down measures and let things sort themselves out over the summer period. In my view all our lock-down measures have done is kick the can down the road and they have now come back to haunt us at a time when the NHS is normally busy with respiratory diseases in any case.

332487 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #197 of 1601 🔗

Which was predicted here and elsewhere at the time.

332469 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to MikeMayUK, 8, #198 of 1601 🔗

Hard to say until we get more recent excess mortality data.

I suspect there is some slight excess (maybe 2-300/day) over prior 5 years, less so compared to prior 10 years. So essentially a casedemic with added ongoing endemic seasonal COVID knocking out those susceptible to respiratory infections (who would ordinarily get flu and suffer, maybe even die)

This was the trend until mid December anyway.

333534 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to MikeMayUK, 1, #199 of 1601 🔗

Who cares? They’re full of it whatever they say or do.

332416 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 32, #200 of 1601 🔗

‘It must surely now be evident to all of us ‘sceptics’ that we have failed.’

Nope.

We have only just started.

https://www.thebrexitparty.org/letter-to-secretary-of-state-for-health/

https://cormandrostenreview.com/cease-and-desist-order-fuellmich-drosten/

Talk of failure is unhelpful. On one side, we have Lockdown Sceptics, including any number of extremely distinguished figures, and Reform UK, on the other side, we have all the major political parties in Britain, health and teaching unions, the state broadcaster, the entire apparatus of governments at home and overseas, the WHO, the Democratic Party……..

The real casualties? 250 million returned to extreme poverty worldwide, 10 million unemployed in the U.S., 1 million extra unemployed in this country…….

Failure simply is not an option.

332429 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #201 of 1601 🔗

Maybe but a long way to go, do we know where we are with any organised political opposition? The Brexit/Reform party and Laurence Fox’s party (does it still exist?) have not really captured my enthusiasm and have a lot of work to do if they are going to make any progress.
There are local elections in May, will there be any lock-down opposition candidates?

332442 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #202 of 1601 🔗

It remains to be seen.

The various May elections will concentrate minds, bring matters to a head. That is the sole purpose of the government’s aim to complete vaccinations by Easter!

The good news, for entertainment value at the very least, is that Piers Corbyn is standing for London Mayor in May on a platform of ending “Covid con rules” and “reverse discrimination against people who refuse to wear a mask or take the vaccine”

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/piers-corbyn-announces-he-is-running-for-london-mayor/01/01/

Organising a quiz show could be an option?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9myHhpS9s

332724 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #203 of 1601 🔗

Go Piers

332523 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #204 of 1601 🔗

I’m starting to think the May elections will be cancelled.

332670 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to bluemoon, 8, #205 of 1601 🔗

Postal vote only, with some role found for Dominion voting machines

332929 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to bluemoon, #206 of 1601 🔗

Unlikely, if only because the Scots Assembly leader believes she is on the crest of a wave. Inconceivable that she will postpone, so England cannot; Re London, Corbyn splits the left wing vote so unlikely that will be postponed either. Also hospitalisations will be heading South so excuses will sound increasingly hollow. Even the Speaker might start to come over a bit ‘mad Bercow’

333235 ▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #207 of 1601 🔗

Reckon the only possible chance of any opposition is if Reform and Reclaim (why give themselves the same name in effect) decide to work together. Nigel’s lot probably isn’t viable at all in areas of the south and Laurence’s crew is, as far as I can see, still too specialist in traditional views for many. Together though, as both are anti-lockdown, they could get noticed.

333406 ▶▶▶▶ HobbyGobbyGold, replying to EllGee, #208 of 1601 🔗

I wrote to the principals of the Reform, Reclaim & Heritage parties some months ago, suggesting that they combine resources to form a unified alternative to the status quo ….. answer came there none …. tumbleweed. I think Nigel, Laurence & David have a desperate need for individual notoriety, in spite of their broadly similar manifestos.

332448 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #209 of 1601 🔗

Agreed.
Beating ourselves over the head is pointless.
But let’s use emotion by all means.
Biker has lots.

332539 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Annie, 2, #210 of 1601 🔗

Biker is our R. Lee Ermey and some of us are Gomes Pyles

332418 cambridgenative, replying to cambridgenative, 11, #211 of 1601 🔗

Dr David McGrogan’s brilliant analysis in today’s blog really hits the nail on the head for me. I’ve been scratching my head since March as to why the majority of people think the Government are doing the right thing with lockdowns etc, or need to do more, why people are so accepting of this extremely disproportionate response and so accepting of what is clearly propaganda and illogic. And so hostile to scepticism. McGrogan says, basically: emotion, safety and security override reason and facts. ‘Moral truth’ rules.

I found this oddly calming, as for me it explains so much.

O tempora! O mores!

332536 ▶▶ Felice, replying to cambridgenative, 15, #212 of 1601 🔗

Whilst I agree with everything McGrogan says, I also believe it is too late to bring in emotive issues.
I belong to a forum centred on walking the Camino de Santiago. Early on in lockdown, there was great concern for all the businesses connected with the flow of pilgrims, many of whom have certainly gone bust. On one thread, someone posted about the problems not being due directly to covid, but government response. The immediate and huge response was, it’s a pandemic, stupid. Covid caused everything. Even now, you’ll be howled down if you suggest that government response has anything at all to do with it, unfortunately.
Start bringing up emotive issues, and all people will say is, what do you expect, it’s a pandemic, isn’t it?

332580 ▶▶▶ cambridgenative, replying to Felice, 6, #213 of 1601 🔗

I understand why he says that sceptics should use emotional issues as a counter-measure. However, I share your view against doing so, but I think for a different reason. For me, it’s reason and facts which matter most in this zeitgeist, not emotion.

332813 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Felice, 9, #214 of 1601 🔗

It seems we are playing a longer game. History is never kind to those with emotional driven responses, often describing them as hysterical or mania…

333945 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Felice, #215 of 1601 🔗

Do they realise it’s only a “pandemic” because the definition of a pandemic was changed? What does it actually take to get through to thee people? Same old story, I suspect – hearts and minds that matters, not facts and figures.

332938 ▶▶ CGL, replying to cambridgenative, 4, #216 of 1601 🔗

With the headlines about how many more people will die as a direct result of the restrictions, how does the moral truth not do a 180 though? We have been aware of these consequences and have been trying our damnedest to stop them from happening for months. How can they not see that what they are doing is the exact opposite of moral? That their twisted morals are helping to kill these people.

333063 ▶▶▶ cambridgenative, replying to CGL, 5, #217 of 1601 🔗

A very good question, CGL, and a big puzzle for me too, except I now see, thanks to David McGrogan’s piece, that it is as it is, a phenomenon of human psychology which is very hard to counter. Someone posted here recently that the propaganda and misinformation stimulated their ‘lizard* brain’: the deep survival instinct, by terrifying people.

(*No, not the Lizards who allegedly run the planet secretly!)

332424 TJN, replying to TJN, 42, #218 of 1601 🔗

Another fascinating philosophical piece in today’s post, this one by Dr David McGrogan.



I will offer a diagnosis: the great majority of people in this country, no matter what the level of their formal education, are intellectually bone idle.

332941 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to TJN, 6, #219 of 1601 🔗

Including our PM. He may be a classics graduate but the basics of the science are not too difficult if people with a reasonable intelligence level just make the effort. Most just won’t and in the PM that is unforgivable. We should not to have to weaponise emotion.

332426 Helen, replying to Helen, 3, #220 of 1601 🔗

Philosophy of freedom in the corona crisis

PHILIP KOVCE AND THOMAS MORGENROTH-JANUARY 1, 2021
https://dasgoetheanum.com/philosophie-der-freiheit-in-der-coronakrise/
(active foot notes and article in Deutsch)

While for some the restriction of civil liberties in the name of solidarity and protection against infection cannot go fast and far enough, others consider the corona pandemic to be more or less hot air and strictly reject state measures to combat it. Thomas Morgenroth and Philip Kovce look for a way out of this messy situation – and find it in ethical individualism.

All over the world, states are currently drastically restricting the fundamental rights of their citizens – on the grounds that this is the only way to get the corona pandemic under control. In Germany, the National Academy of Sciences Leopoldina recommended a “hard lockdown” in an ad hoc statement on December 8, 2020. It was “absolutely necessary from a scientific point of view,” the statement said.1 A few days later, the federal and state governments actually agreed on corresponding measures.2

However, skepticism seems to be warranted when scientists consider interventions in fundamental rights to be ‘absolutely necessary’. In any case, it is remarkable that the philosopher of science Michael Esfeld, who teaches in Lausanne and is himself a member of the Leopoldina, sent a letter of protest to his ‘colleague’, the ETH climate researcher and Academy President Gerald H. Haug, in which he noted the statement – in which Esfeld had not participated – “with dismay” and asked the president “most politely” to “immediately withdraw it as a statement of the Leopoldina”.3 This, of course, did not happen.

Esfeld was “dismayed” primarily because of three points of view:

First, strategies for dealing with the spread of coronavirus were definitely “controversial” in the “inner circle of experts in virology and epidemiology.” While some pleaded for “strong political measures”, others favored a “protection focused only on the risk groups”.

Second, in the “wider circle of scientists,” it is highly controversial” whether the benefits of “strong” measures outweigh their harms. There are, for example, “numerous” studies “according to which the years of life lost exceed the maximum achievable benefit of years of life saved by a multiple”.

Third, beyond utilitarian considerations, there are good reasons in the ethical tradition going back to Kant to consider civil rights “inviolable even in the present situation. Human dignity includes “in particular the freedom to decide for oneself what a person considers to be a life worthy of him or her and what risks he or she is prepared to take for this purpose in life in the organization of his or her social contacts.

Because the “one-sided” Leopoldina statement does not address these three fundamental aspects at all, it “violates the principles of scientific and ethical honesty,” according to Esfeld. Esfeld had already denounced a “misuse of science” in the course of the Corona crisis in June 2020 in the ‘Wochenschrift’ (No. 23/2020).

Finally, the ‘Leopoldina disaster’4 confirms a finding of the historian René Schlott, namely that the “open society” is meanwhile “under pandemic reservation”: “Under suspicion and pressure to justify are today no longer those who restrict freedoms, but those who demand them. “5

Today, it is no longer those who restrict freedoms who are under suspicion and pressure to justify themselves, but those who demand them.

Whoever, despite this finding, appreciates liberties not only in the Kantian tradition but also in the tradition of the ethical individualism founded by Rudolf Steiner, will look all the more for solutions that make it possible in this and possible future pandemics not to play off liberties and protection against infection against each other. Here are a few suggestions.

continued

332427 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Helen, 8, #221 of 1601 🔗

Tweeted by Corona Ausschuss
SEE ALSO

ETHICS
Where is human dignity today?
JANUARY 1, 2021
Should the German Bundestag determine an ‘epidemic situation of national importance’ or the Swiss Federal Council a ‘special’ or ‘extraordinary situation’, it is necessary not to restrict liberties collectively but to strengthen them individually. For this purpose, risk groups should not be defined statistically, i.e. in the abstract; rather, each individual should assess himself very concretely as a risk person – or not.
Anyone who sees himself as a person at risk can initially take care of his own free will to keep his distance and avoid contact (‘free social distancing’). Where this is impractical in the public sphere or in professional life, he can mask himself. Furthermore, he can be vaccinated if possible. Protective masks and vaccinations should be financed from public funds.

In addition, all persons at risk should be granted the right to impose a lockdown on their own at any time (‘free lockdown’). After registration with the authorities, they would be entitled to a kind of pandemic income for the period of voluntary quarantine in the event of a loss of income, the amount of which would have to be based on previous income. If, under certain circumstances, triage should be necessary, appropriately registered at-risk persons would receive preferential treatment.

In this way, self-determination and personal responsibility would be strengthened, and politicians and scientists would be protected from a false, patronizing assumption of responsibility. Under these conditions, which value fundamental rights and the protection against infection in equal measure, at-risk and non-at-risk persons, i.e. all responsible citizens, could lead a much freer and healthier life than all the costly pandemic coercive measures currently allow.

Cover photo: Francesco Ungaro/Unsplash (edited)

Footnotes

Leopoldina/Statement Corona
Federal government/decision-mpk-data
Prof. Dr. Esfeld protest letter
Die Welt/Angela-Merkel-and-the-Leopoldina-disaster
Deutschlandfunkkultur/Pandemic and freedom rights

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Philip Kovce
Economist and philosopher, lives in Witten.

Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

332446 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Helen, 20, #222 of 1601 🔗

Protect those genuinely at risk, if they want protection.
Lock up the zombies, feed them through the keyhole.
Liberate the humans.
See how long the zombies want to go on being zombies.

332963 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, 1, #223 of 1601 🔗

Or piss on them through the key hole lol.

332590 ▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Helen, 4, #224 of 1601 🔗

Considerable; thanks for sharing. Would take years to bring about, I fear. Much of the horror we are now enduring seems based on short-termism, and the notion that ‘we will soon be out of this and be able to go back to normal’.

332568 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Helen, 5, #225 of 1601 🔗

“violates the principles of scientific and ethical honesty”

Which is what I’ve been saying since day 1 about modellers and scientists extrapolating beyond the bounds of their arguments.

For application to the real world you have to ethically honest.

332758 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to mhcp, 1, #226 of 1601 🔗

Yes, exactly mhcp

Here is a much shortened DEEPL translation from the Academy of Sciences Leopoldina article .. but you get the picture

https://www.leopoldina.org/uploads/tx_leopublication/2020_12_08_Stellungnahme_Corona_Feiertage_final.pdf

Coronavirus pandemic:

Use the holidays and new year for a hard lockdown BLAH. BLAH,BLAH

Social contacts should be reduced to a very narrow circle BLAH. BLAH BLAH

The current situation remains serious and threatens to worsen. BLAH BLAH BLAH

Despite the partial lockdown in place since early November

The health care system and even the large hospitals are not equipped to handle ..

These are very unfavorable starting conditions for the holidays and winter.

The Christmas season and the turn of the year, with their traditionally increased and close social contacts, harbor great risks for a further deterioration of the infection situation……….

The degree of contact reduction in Germany is not sufficient……….

As the following figure shows, the current partial lockdown falls far short of the first lockdown in terms of effectiveness.

In Germany, during the first lockdown in the spring, contacts were reduced by about 63%. blah blah

The dynamic model underlying the graph describes the time course of infection dynamics and takes into account the feedback mechanism between infection dynamics and behavioral changes (B. F. Maier & D. Brockmann, Science 368 742, 2020). T he dynamics of contact reduction is a prediction of the model and is confirmed by empirically determined values.

A two-step approach is proposed. blah blah

BUT SCHOOLS AND SO CALLED NOT ESSENTIAL SHOPS WILL REMAIN CLOSED AFTER 10TH JAN

333545 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to mhcp, #227 of 1601 🔗

It’s a good example of the fallacy of Artificial Intelligence. Not that intelligent after all.

332428 TC, replying to TC, 1, #228 of 1601 🔗

Odd that the DM does not seem to be accepting comments online about the Peter Hitchens article.

332436 ▶▶ alw, replying to TC, 4, #229 of 1601 🔗

It never accepts comments on his articles.You have to go to his blog site on Facebook.

332437 ▶▶ chaos, replying to TC, 3, #230 of 1601 🔗

He never allows them. You can comment under his blog instead.

332444 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to chaos, #231 of 1601 🔗

Thanks for that.

332754 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TC, #232 of 1601 🔗

Mail on Sunday as he points almost every day, confusing online I accept.

332430 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #233 of 1601 🔗

Duffel Bag has a whole new meaning

332435 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 28, #234 of 1601 🔗

And, ahem, if you are in the public health sector (sorry, feeling a bit bitchy this morning), shouldn’t you try to practice what you preach.

Really pisses me off on the rare occasions I have been to the doctors’ surgery, to be told off by some pie-scoffing lard arse/no stranger to the biscuit tin, that my cholesterol is too high and that I should cut out my fat consumption

332443 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 13, #235 of 1601 🔗

Cholesterol is a favourite. They can use it to threaten you with ststins and god knows what else. Bilge.
Carry on eating what you like eating.

332449 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 25, #236 of 1601 🔗

Oh, I know Annie. Another ‘expert’, dear old Ancel Keys has a lot to answer for. I eat loads of fat: lard, suet, butter, cream etc. just not the bad stuff. And am indebted to the great Dr Malcolm Kendrick for opening my eyes to the cholesterol scam.

Makes you wonder if this was an earlier attempt at population control: get everyone eating unnatural crap so that they become ill and then BigPharma comes in as the great saviour of our poor ‘fat’-raddled arteries … and makes us even more ill and them even more rich. Oooh, my cynicism-ometer is on full this morning.

332479 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 11, #237 of 1601 🔗

Pre Covid a medic/health adviser was preening theyself on R4 for reaching the target of the public reducing their intake of good/bad cholesterol

Asked what effect this had had on public health

‘None that we can find but it is tremendous that we reduced consumption . . .’

332488 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 5, #238 of 1601 🔗

Indeed. And how much in the pay of the big food producers were these ‘advisors’. A bit like now with the ‘advisors’ being in the pay of BigPharma.

333547 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, #239 of 1601 🔗

Obsessed with attaining projected targets.

333330 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 2, #240 of 1601 🔗

That scam was orchestrated by the seed companies, who benefited from the switch from natural fats to seed-oils, and the grain-based diet, loaded with HFCS.
Big Pharma profited slightly later, from the resultant huge push to GMOs and glyphosate, not just from their drug “therapies”.

332618 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, 7, #241 of 1601 🔗

My wife who has never touched a cigarette in her 72 years was once told by a doctor to “Pack up smoking”.

332663 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #242 of 1601 🔗

Jeez ….

I was told by a doctor who couldn’t pull the chair up to his desk because of his beer-gut that I (who at that time weighed about 9 1/2 stone and being about 5′ 9″) needed to take more exercise … Just more box-ticking rubbish.

332671 ▶▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #243 of 1601 🔗

My wife’s Aunty Minnie was also told to pack up smoking by her doctor – when she was 96!

332438 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Cecil B, 2, #244 of 1601 🔗

It’s “Duffel-Bagge” 😉

332445 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Colin, 4, #245 of 1601 🔗

Duffer Bag. And an old one too.

332439 alw, 3, #246 of 1601 🔗

Children’s wards are usually busy in winter. As of now we are not seeing significant pressure from COVID-19 in paediatrics across the UK. As cases in the community rise there will be a small increase in the number of children we see with COVID-19, but the overwhelming majority of children and young people have no symptoms or very mild illness only. The new variant appears to affect all ages and, as yet, we are not seeing any greater severity amongst children and young people.”

https://www.rcpch.ac.uk/news-events/news/rcpch-responds-media-reports-increased-admissions-children-young-people-covid-19

332440 alw, replying to alw, 8, #247 of 1601 🔗

Children’s wards are usually busy in winter. As of now we are not seeing significant pressure from COVID-19 in paediatrics across the UK. As cases in the community rise there will be a small increase in the number of children we see with COVID-19, but the overwhelming majority of children and young people have no symptoms or very mild illness only. The new variant appears to affect all ages and, as yet, we are not seeing any greater severity amongst children and young people.

332575 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to alw, 9, #248 of 1601 🔗

I haven’t seen any increase in the number of children attending the urgent care centres where I work. In fact I’d go as far as to say numbers are significantly lower. Likewise the number of adults is down. Yesterday, for example in a five hour shift I saw two patients, my colleague who was working a 10 hour shift saw about 5, and some of them were for dressing changes. 12 months ago we’d have been seeing 2 or 3 patients per hour each.

332582 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #249 of 1601 🔗

Also, our local ED cannot be seeing patients who have attended inappropriately when they would be better seen in primary care. Our area is running a pilot scheme where ED can refer such patients back to us rather than being seen in the ED.

332722 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, #250 of 1601 🔗

Improve children’s immunity

332441 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #251 of 1601 🔗

“Laura Duffel” is an anagram of “Laud flu fear”.

332493 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #252 of 1601 🔗

And if I close my left eye and squint my right eye “Laura Duffel” reads as “load of drivel”

332613 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #253 of 1601 🔗

What is an anagram of Patronising cow?

332626 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #254 of 1601 🔗

Woosi Ginnctrap?

332627 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 1, #255 of 1601 🔗

Or a palindrome – Woc Gnisinortap.

332633 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Waldorf, #256 of 1601 🔗

Thanks.

332695 ▶▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #257 of 1601 🔗

Warps Cognition

332786 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #258 of 1601 🔗

I was going to say “Devi Sridhar”, but then I realized that’s a synonym, not an anagram.

332534 ▶▶ rose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #259 of 1601 🔗

A just need another R for anagram of real flu fraud

332450 lesleykr1, replying to lesleykr1, 13, #260 of 1601 🔗

I just keep wondering who we are meant to be saving, possibly adding a short time to a few people’s lives in exchange for wrecking everyone else’s.

332454 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to lesleykr1, 13, #261 of 1601 🔗

And, making that “short time” even more miserable and lacking in empathy and human kindness.

332482 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to lesleykr1, 8, #262 of 1601 🔗

I see it not as saving lives, but on the whole postponing death. Many, I would imagine who have died, would have been taken by some other respiratory illness had it not been for cv19.

332496 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to lesleykr1, 3, #263 of 1601 🔗

Which is my point of attack these days on the lockdown fanatics ” how long are we going to destroy lives to save lives??”

332655 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to lesleykr1, 7, #264 of 1601 🔗

“No pleasure is worth giving up for the sake of two more years in a geriatric home in Weston-super-Mare” – Kingsley Amis. Or anywhere else for that matter.

332746 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #265 of 1601 🔗

Or Hernia Bay as it’s know locally.

332981 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #266 of 1601 🔗

The problem with extended life is that all the extra years come at the end!

332977 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to lesleykr1, 12, #267 of 1601 🔗

Its now clear that deaths of very old people from respiratory illnesses are no longer politically acceptable. ‘Our NHS’ must never be seen to allow this. This is despite the fact that such deaths have happened since the start of time and that is how a significant number of people join the other side at the end of their lives. We have simply reached an insane moment of morality. It is seen as acceptable to destroy children and young people’s education, wreck young people’s ability to work or run a business or find a home and start a family etc in order to extend the lives of those in gods waiting room. This perverted morality has probably been a long time coming and it looks like we are now stuck with it unless it can be overthrown. It means we will be faced with lockdown every single winter and maybe at other times of the year too. Most people I talk to seem to agree with this morality…I think its utterly insane.

333013 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #268 of 1601 🔗

Let’s all start playing devil’s advocate and say to non-sceptics ‘Of course we should stay in lockdown forever because it will never be safe to go out’. I’ll bet people will start to disagree..

332986 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to lesleykr1, #269 of 1601 🔗

Do we try to help them with HCQ and Ivermectin treatments yet? Would cut down bed occupancy and nurse absences.

332451 NickR, 7, #270 of 1601 🔗

I posted this last night but thought some of you early birds may have missed it. It paints a radically different story to hospital occupancy in London & I’ll post another for all England.
Make of it what you will, the data set is at: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/uec-sitrep/urgent-and-emergency-care-daily-situation-reports-2020-21/?s=03

332452 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #271 of 1601 🔗

Here’s bed occupancy across England.

332461 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to NickR, 3, #272 of 1601 🔗

Charts don’t support the pandemic narrative. How many beds occupied by CV sufferers? How do we know they have CV – where is the testing data and what exactly are they testing and how do they process the tests? How accurate are the tests and how are they correlated with deaths? Inquiring minds are curious.

400 dead from CV each day if you believe the ONS stats which I don’t. Flu is down 80% as a cause of death…..I noticed a large reduction in dementia and heart related deaths as well. Very curious that.

332470 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to FerdIII, 5, #273 of 1601 🔗

I agree the only measures of any consequence are all cause mortality & total bed occupancy. I’ve no faith at all in the testing & suspect the excess deaths, most of which are elderly people dying at home, has far more to do with neglect than any mystery new virus.

332478 ▶▶ Julian_S, replying to NickR, 8, #274 of 1601 🔗

It’s like two completely different universes: on the one hand we have the BBC, on the other we have charts like this. Taking the data portrayed on trust it is completely im,possible to work out wtf is going on. Reminds me of the weather forecasting app on my phone which will cheerfully insist it’s bright and sunny when a quick step outside will reveal it’s actually chucking it down.

332509 ▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to NickR, 3, #275 of 1601 🔗

That is pretty much what you would want if you were running hospitals. The idea of having beds is to use them, given they are expensive. You deal with unpredictable surges by rescheduling routine admissions when needed. What is happening in 2021 is just normal.

332983 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Stephensceptic, #276 of 1601 🔗

The logic of fixed cost per unit makes it sensible for capacity utilisation to be high. Its just management accounting illiteracy that suggests otherwise.

332465 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #278 of 1601 🔗

Section 10 is idemnity for treatment even if someone is “suspected” of having Coronavirus.

332468 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #279 of 1601 🔗

Is this a proposed new version of the Coronavirus act? Is there any analysis of how it differs from the current Act? Do we know if there is a time-scale for it’s introduction?

332476 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #280 of 1601 🔗

Usurps all previous health acts except March 2020 original CV act which changed the MCCD process and made putting CV on the death cert subjective and at the discretion of 1 doctor.

332489 ▶▶ adamsson, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #281 of 1601 🔗

So local elections delayed again and another 2 years at least of lockdowns

332501 ▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to adamsson, 2, #282 of 1601 🔗

Where does it say that local elections are cancelled? Can’t see it.

332925 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #283 of 1601 🔗

My bad. It seems that this may not be new. I should have done more research. But the source is normally quite reliable.

332460 CaptainG, replying to CaptainG, 12, #284 of 1601 🔗

McGrogan is absolutely correct of course- out tribal instincts guarantee that breaking ranks and risking being shunned by the tribe is much more concerning than being right, ie being seen to be right is more important.
there have been quite a few such personal stories though- mainly of old people left alone and families unable to meet- devastating enough I would have thought. But much more should be made of them- is there no campaign or website dedicated to telling these stories? People could make videos and submit them.

however it is naive to think this will all be over. There is a much darker agenda than Johnson and Hancock just chasing polls- they are both fully signed up to the 4th Industrial Revolution and are following a deliberate policy of economic destruction and wealth transfer. This will lead to UBI and digital currency, health passports and total surveillance- we are moving to a social credit system as in China.

you only have to look at the BIT to see how much effort has been put into staging this- governments around the world are coordinated in a common response based on very sophisticated psychosocial engineering. We should learn a thing or two from them:

https://www.coronababble.com/post/how-the-mean-psychologists-induced-us-to-comply-with-coronavirus-restrictions

332467 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to CaptainG, 7, #285 of 1601 🔗

Doris tweeted ‘Build Back Better’ see link above – apparently Pole man sees ‘too much’ into that tweet according to this site. Doris has been talking about the Communist BBB for a long time. It is not one tweet. It is called a pattern and fits in with his moronic-New Green Deal view which he unveiled in the late summer, that carbon energy in the UK, will be replaced with only hydro, solar panels and bird choppers. An impossibility for anyone who understands a modern economy. Not Doris’ and the elite’s strength is it.

332984 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to FerdIII, #286 of 1601 🔗

I suspect Pole man is right.

332989 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to CaptainG, #287 of 1601 🔗

Excellent article. He has also written an official letter to Psychological Society.

https://www.coronababble.com/post/the-ethics-of-using-covert-strategies-a-letter-to-the-british-psychological-society

333574 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #288 of 1601 🔗

That’s where they get their ideas from.

332463 Ben Shirley, replying to Ben Shirley, 14, #289 of 1601 🔗

Why does that scaremongering Clarkson story have top billing in the round-up? It sounds very much like he had an ordinary bout of the flu, but with a spot of irrational cowardice thrown in for good measure.

332475 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ben Shirley, 13, #290 of 1601 🔗

Like Doris who had CV and his 2 nurses – one Portugese one from NZ – conveniently disappear after. Theatre. That is all it is. ‘CV is real, lock everyone down’. ‘Look at me I am so special, I have it…’. I had CV last Jan – was a nasty respiratory attack, no need to run to the NHS, no need to scream in fear, took 5 days and it was over. Bad but not that bad.

332495 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ben Shirley, 4, #291 of 1601 🔗

Is and always was :”A big saft kid playing with his “pap, paps”: (Cars).

332675 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ben Shirley, 2, #292 of 1601 🔗

Bout of manflu the big girlie.

332466 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 19, #293 of 1601 🔗

If as I guess, the claim by the nursing matron is not correct, then she should be struck off immediately, and possibly charged, considering the potential damage this claim will do as will be used to reinforce school closures, mask wearing in children, and generally more extreme panic.
Could the senior doctor reporting on this, as a senior clinician, not just phoned a the hospital and spoken to a relevant manager, and asked some searching questions and reported the feedback. It would also help if there was more acknowledgement in his figures of covid admissions whether they were admitted because of covid or tested positive once admitted.
This whole charade of a pandemic and ruinous policies is mainly reliant on the not fit for purpose PCR test. This is the Achilles heel, and the whole propaganda machine could easily be dismantled if the majority of the media and medical/nursing profession came out in force on the side of facts and morals rather than fuelling the deceit. Both groups are beyond a disgrace, and I say that as an ex senior nurse.

332473 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Hattie, 5, #294 of 1601 🔗

Isn’t fact investigations the job of the Fake News? Before putting a die hard Covidiot religious preacher on your show, wouldn’t you want to verify the delusionary claims first? I know of zero children across many counties touched by CV. None. 2 students in my son’s private school were sent home, because their ‘parents’ tested ‘positive’ = whatever a positive test might mean (cold, sniffle, a cough), so of course they emptied the school of the entire year…..anus gazers aren’t they? Science.

332477 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Hattie, 8, #295 of 1601 🔗

She needs reporting to the NMC. As indicated in the piece above factual details would be lost in the twitterverse so a series of short rebuttals by several different paediatricians is better than a long multiple part tweet by 1.

332719 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to p02099003, 1, #296 of 1601 🔗

Hopefully many people will report her

332471 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 7, #297 of 1601 🔗

Those complaining about Grease should avoid “Move over darling” by Doris Day, “will you still love me” the shirelles (?), “7 brides for 7 brothers”, “young girl”

332609 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to p02099003, 3, #298 of 1601 🔗

Doris Day singing Move over darling.
Even now at age 72, I go all “Hot and bothered”.

332472 Julian, replying to Julian, 42, #299 of 1601 🔗

I disagree with the McGrogan article for many reasons

1) We have not “failed” – we have won some battles, not yet the war, but it rages on. Opinion is turning in our favour, slowly
2) The pandemic is nowhere near over politically and unless something is done, it won’t be this year. We will have masks, T&T, distancing, medico fascism, tests to travel, no big crowds, safetyism forever
3) We have appealed to emotion as well as reason – kids education, banning of fun, deaths caused by withdrawal of medical treatment, vaccine fears, unemployment – all emotion based arguments
4) The reason we have not yet won is that the enemy have subjected the people to a global propaganda war on all fronts that has been relentless and unprecedented. Propaganda works – that’s why people do it. If we had got our arguments in front of people even a tenth as much as the enemy, you’d see a difference.

332480 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Julian, 14, #300 of 1601 🔗

The enemedia and deep state are against us. I agree with you. We have made significant progress and won quite a few victories. 5 lawsuits – all credible – are still in process. 50% of the pop in the UK are unlikely to take the magic vaxx poison – rightly believing that it does not stop transmission and may make them ill.

332481 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to FerdIII, 1, #301 of 1601 🔗

Indeed – deep states all over the world

333106 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to FerdIII, 1, #302 of 1601 🔗

Why has there not been a single full page ad in The Sun (or similar) setting out some basic irrefutable facts?

332483 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Julian, 17, #303 of 1601 🔗

Yep. This is not the time for quitters. To use the US reference, we are like the ‘deplorables” the ones scorned by the elites for just not giving in to globalism. But this is a grind.

It will go on for as long as the media see an advantage. But they will turn on the first glimmer of leverage. The government is always behind on this.

The real issue facing a sceptic person is just how much redress will you extract? How much charity are you willing to extend when this is over?

There is a depression coming. Look after yourself first.

332498 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Julian, 20, #304 of 1601 🔗

I also feel that if the magic money tree had not been part of the equation in terms of furlough, resistance to the restrictions would have been much greater earlier on, and possibly with enough outcry we would now be in a better place. I also think it is important not to forget the impact of criminalising normal actions, the threats from the beginning when people were not complying that they would increase restrictions, add roadblocks etc. The fact the police have disregarded policing by consent and avidly arrest or hassle people to comply with unjust laws has to have some impact.

332510 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Hattie, 6, #305 of 1601 🔗

Good point – coercion plays a part

While I welcome anyone who is trying to help us by suggesting where we could improve, I found the piece much too negative

332664 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Hattie, 9, #306 of 1601 🔗

Much of the arresting was for merely ignoring ‘guidance’ not for breaking any law. I agree it should have a permanent effect on views about police. Morphing into Staatspolizei since Blair.

332569 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Julian, 6, #307 of 1601 🔗

I don’t think McGrogan was wrong, and I don’t think he said we have lost, either. We just haven’t won yet, and we have been using tactics that don’t seem effective against the bovine non-thinkers. Facts and correct data are vital but it they don’t outweigh the appeal to peoples’ sense that they are ‘doing the right thing’. A strategy needs to devised to compete with the prevailing idea that Lockdowns are the ethical way to go.

332657 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Julian, 4, #308 of 1601 🔗

The aim of propaganda in USSR was to force agreement with obvious lies. Short cut to control.

332873 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Julian, 3, #309 of 1601 🔗

Oh, I think he’s right and we have failed. I’ve talked until I’m blue in the face about my own despair with people who used to be close friends, but their reaction is “Yeah well, sorry about your situation, it’s desperately sad, but it’s For the Good of Society.” They are perfectly happy to throw me under the bus. It’s a religion now. Our emotion-based arguments are nothing to them.

That said, we have to keep trying.

332990 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to AshesThanDust, 4, #310 of 1601 🔗

For gods sake ditch those ‘friends’. They clearly care nothing about you….what utter scumbags.

332987 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Julian, 6, #311 of 1601 🔗

Yes I agree its utterly relentless every day….but thats what state propaganda does…its how young men were pointlessly persuaded to give up their lives in the trenches to stop the claimed raping of Belgian women by German soldiers in 1914.

333213 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Julian, 5, #312 of 1601 🔗

Remove the laws and the threat of fines and see how many people are then really panicked and worried about it. A lot less than the media would have you beleive.

If this waas so serious and everyone was in support, howcome all these measured need laws, fines, coercion. Those non compliant would find themsleves with a massive amount of people against them. It’s really just not the case.

The Pareto principal holds true in most cases. 80% of the pro lockdown most comes from 20% of the people. Conversely 80% of scepticism comes from another 20%. Many people inbetween who are just quietly trying to get on with life with the mimimum of hassle.

333368 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #313 of 1601 🔗

Well said! Never give up!

332474 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 19, #314 of 1601 🔗

If as I guess, the claim by the nursing matron is not correct, then she should be struck off immediately, and possibly charged, considering the potential damage this claim will do as will be used to reinforce school closures, mask wearing in children, and generally more extreme panic.
Could the senior doctor reporting on this, as a senior clinician, not just have phoned the hospital concerned and spoken to a relevant manager, asked some searching questions and reported the feedback, which would have been more useful, as the article doesn’t really offer any conclusive evidence whether the matron’s assertions were accurate. It would also help if there was more acknowledgement in his figures of covid admissions, as to whether they were admitted because of covid or tested positive once admitted.
This whole charade of a pandemic and ruinous policies is mainly reliant on the not fit for purpose PCR test. This is the Achilles heel, and the whole propaganda machine could easily be dismantled if the majority of the media and medical/nursing profession came out in force on the side of facts and morals rather than fuelling the deceit. Both groups are beyond a disgrace, and I say that as an ex senior nurse.

332677 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Hattie, 7, #315 of 1601 🔗

I doubt very much that the NMC will investigate her on the grounds above, but they may well do so on the grounds that she is scaring away parents from taking their children to hospital – for emergencies or for scheduled appointments. I have noticed that a lot of the hospitals that are speaking up against her are emphasising this point themselves. From Guys & St Thomas: https://www.evelinalondon.nhs.uk/about-us/news-events/2021-news/20210201%EF%BB%BF-very-few-children-with-covid-19.aspx?fbclid=IwAR1w5hMsFPFYcsnggpfHjRXX5-YmVH05dlWAZSpvH78lEEeWsZDzKRfwSxE

332715 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hattie, 6, #316 of 1601 🔗

then she should be struck off immediately

Agree. Report her to the nursing professional body – hopefully lots of people will do that

332982 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Hattie, 3, #317 of 1601 🔗

I wonder if we can get her arrested for causing a public order offence?

332991 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Silke David, 2, #318 of 1601 🔗

No thats only of you take photos and then put your dressing gown on!

332490 jos, 19, #319 of 1601 🔗

We’re in an update of the Milgram experiment with GPs, who must know the relative risks, giving these untested vaccines to people who are at minimal risk of anything serious. There are a lot of crisis actors in this whole scam – whatever happened to William Shakespeare’s second jab anyone (and how convenient that he bore a resemblance to the original WS and was from the same area – doesn’t this raise a red flag to know we’re being made fools of ) – and what amounts were these crisis actors paid to stay quiet? Just as in the Milgram experiment, the subjects who agreed to keep increasing the fake electric shock treatment supposedly to ‘punish’ said they were following the science: this is the compliance we are witnessing now

332492 DanClarke, 6, #320 of 1601 🔗

PVT’s nasty comments about bingo do show a bitterness towards the population, because the Brexit vote will affect their cash flow. The comments about Ferguson from Hitchens in today’s DM are interesting. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9106799/PETER-HITCHENS-Guess-Professor-Lockdown-got-ideas-Chinas-police-state.html

332494 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 24, #321 of 1601 🔗

The fatal flaw in lockdown thinking when it comes to copying China.

I’m going to start with a potentially controversial statement that may upset some people. Lockdowns can work but only in certain circumstances.

If the virus prevalance is low then it’s quite possible to get it under control using a lockdown. However it’s also possible to to get the same result without a lockdown in this situation. If only 1 person was ever infected then you could quite easily quarantine them without a lockdown for example, as the numbers increase the more practical a lockdown may seem but with a corresponding increase in cost (not just monetary). Past a certain point the time and cost of locking down becomes too great. There is also a problem with maintaining a low to zero prevalance if/once achieved which I’m not going to get into now. All I will say on that is that we don’t know if it’s possible for a prolonged period of time (it’s barely been a year remember).

So we know it can work because it’s been done in New Zealand (even starting from a low base it took them a long time and at great cost and now they’re trapped in a perpetual state of alert) but the place on everybody’s lips right now is Wuhan. They managed to eradicate the virus (apparently but let’s go with it for now) using the strictest of lockdowns even welding the doors shut in apartment blocks so people couldn’t get out.

Sounds great doesn’t it? China managed it so we should copy them. Countries can just lock down their entire populations long enough for the virus to disappear and it’s job done. Wuhan is a city of only 11M people in the province of Hubei which has 58.5M people. Just a few million people less than the UK. China effectively locked down the whole province of Hubei so if they can lock down that many people then the UK could do the same.

But here is the fatal flaw…

China has 1.4 billion people. They can easily lock down 58.5M people and have virtually their entire population still working and that’s what they did. All the neighbouring provinces sent help to Hubei whilst it was locked down.

If the UK locks down like Hubei province there aren’t 1.4 billion people to pick up the slack. Isn’t it obvious why China doesn’t register on the economic damage charts?

So when people say that lockdowns work because China did it just say the immortal words that your parents might say when you’re contemplating an act of stupidity:

“You haven’t really thought it through have you?”

I’ll end with this…

Lockdowns can work in certain circumstances (limited and specific, where have I heard that before?) but it’s rarely, if ever, a good idea to throttle your entire economy doing so. Even China weren’t that stupid. Try not to laugh, but consider that India tried to lock down 1.3 billion people before realising their folly.

One final thing. Those who think there’s no price too high when it comes to saving lives are probably not paying their fair share of the bill if at all.

332503 ▶▶ Will, replying to Nobody2021, #322 of 1601 🔗

Excellent post. Encapsulates where I am.

332505 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #323 of 1601 🔗

Interesting. In the UK 66 million plus people must have already been infected, its not possible to not have

332507 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 14, #324 of 1601 🔗

I agree with most of what you say

However I am not so sure you could be that confident that any lockdown “worked” in China

The UK government have found it easy to manipulate public opinion and distort the truth, so think how much easier it is for the CCP to do that

So I don’t think can set much store by any official CCP figures

To think that covid is now endemic around the world except in the (highly interconnected) country in which it started seems far-fetched to me

It’s more likely that the Chinese govt realised covid wasn’t that dangerous and decided the pandemic was over (or that the lockdown theatre had done its job), and acted accordingly

332514 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Julian, 6, #325 of 1601 🔗

Yes this is also a possibility which is why I said they allegedly eradicated it.

The point still holds though. They could afford to lockdown millions because they still had plenty of people spare. Other countries are trying to shut their whole economies down thinking that’s what China did.

332520 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #326 of 1601 🔗

Yes, you make a good point and it’s another argument to add to the arsenal

But I personally think it’s dangerous to concede that China’s lockdown might have worked as it will encourage people to advocate for local/regional lockdowns or to quarantine whole countries

332547 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Julian, 15, #327 of 1601 🔗

I find it hard to believe Covid is over in China. More likely it was recognised for the mild illness it is for most people, and after a certain point they stopped panicking about it.

333501 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Julian, #328 of 1601 🔗

Whether Covid-19 exists as an identifiable illness remains in great doubt. Overall though, the “pandemic” is a hyped up hoax, being carried on a worldwide basis for what can only be very sinister purposes. Almost certainly the real aim is a massive global depopulation and the essential tool for this purpose will be one or another of Bill Gates’s unlicensed and liability free vaccines.

333579 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Julian, #329 of 1601 🔗

Do not trust whatever the CCP says or does. Ever.

332512 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #330 of 1601 🔗

Sorry, lockdowns don’t work. Ever. There’s no way around it. It only works in theoretical land or times past. Which is what the original NPI paper about the Spanish Flu talked about. A town could lockdown because travel was still limited and if sufficiently far away from an epidemic centre is could prepare. But equally once there is one infection the only way to stop it spreading is to kill the host. Not locking them down. Eradication then sterilisation.

In real terms, an infection can transfer in many ways and you can’t control them all. What does work is the ability of the system to adapt as well as the virus to adapt to stay transmissable.

Wuhan was just a show.

The real story is measurements and presented data. What we saw was the usual theorist’s trick of showing you a number like 2.35 and then saying look it’s going up when it gets to 3.35. All the while not showing you that the systematic error is +/- 2 on that measurement.

That changes in the reported value are just insignifcant figures.

So we have 2.35 +/- 2 which in reality is a 2 +/- 2 (or anything between 0 to 4)
Then we have 3.35 +/- 2 or 3 +/- 2 (or anything between 1 and 5)

You can’t actually tell there’s a change because the error is so large.

You’ll get people reading this saying no you can’t just set a range like that, in reality there is a distribution or errors (or uncertainties). Yeah yeah but how do you know the type of distribution? You don’t. And you don’t need to. The tool is telling you not to use it to measure changes of a few units. BECAUSE THAT”S HOW IT WAS BUILT.

That’s the point. To get an understanding if anything “works” you need to measure the thing you think will vary to the precision your hypothesis demands.

Now, when you have deaths with/of/suspected Covid how large an uncertainty range do think we have?

332513 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #331 of 1601 🔗

It’s just lazy thinking which says lockdowns work. I 100% agree that, once endemic, lockdowns are pointless. I’d go further and say before they become endemic, lockdowns are morally suspect (to put it mildly). But we are where we are. And where we are is that the vast majority of people think they work and are desirable.

The problem is not insurmountable however as the same lazy thinking was applied to mass testing and T&T. The same lazy thinking being applied there – ‘It worked for Germany / Korea’.

Most are turning their backs on these now however, certainly T&T. Our efforts are best served asking lockdown junkies (in a non threatening way) how many more fixes they need before they call it a day as this can’t carry on forever. The sooner the better for all involved. It is only by THEM questioning their own core beliefs can we hope to see change.

332530 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #332 of 1601 🔗

When the 14th Century Black Death hit Europe they knew about epidemics, they knew about quarantining ships and closing all the city gates for weeks on end. Villagers knew to keep strangers and to avoid anyone they thought might be ill.
This did not save anyone or anywhere.

332542 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #333 of 1601 🔗

India caused a huge amount of misery, with migrant workers already at the margins of survival being pushed beyond it. There have also been record protests by workers and farmers, some involving hundreds of millions of people.

332570 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to CaptainG, 2, #335 of 1601 🔗

I saw that last night and he may well be right. However, most will disregard it as they could never believe that it’s possible to just ignore the virus if it’s still spreading.

How could any government that’s spent the best part of a year telling people this is the biggest threat to humanity ever and destroying your lives is necessary in order to deal with it then just turn around to say well actually it’s not as bad as we thought so we can just let it do its thing.

332733 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #336 of 1601 🔗

Because it’s no longer a real problem so they can ignore a few deaths having achieved astonishing (to us but not them probably) success in weakening their opponents.

333495 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Nobody2021, #337 of 1601 🔗

Shutting down the economy and society can only be sustained for a short a period of time. Under lockdown the population is put under quarantine. The idea of quarantine is that ill people are kept in isolation until they are better so that they don’t infect other people. The recommended time for quarantine is about 14 days. The idea is that if you don’t show signs of an illness, you are not infectious and you can be released. If you show symptoms of the illness you are quarantined until you are better. If there was a dangerous and infectious disease going around a country, you could have a short lockdown of about three weeks. The disease has a stage where people are infectious before they develop symptoms. Those who are healthy at the end of the three weeks know they don’t have the disease and can resume normal activity. Those who have symptoms of the illness but were infectious before they developed symptoms have been prevented from infecting others and can be instructed to quarantine until they are better. If people have infectious diseases they should only be infectious for a cetain period of time. It seems we will have p ermanent lockdowns on the assumption the entire population is pernamently infected.

There are numerous issues raised with lockdowns. What charactaristics should a disease possess to justify lockdown? How dangerous must the disease be eg fatality rate, severity of symptoms and how infectious must the disease be. An issue I have highlighted before that there is no threshold or criteria as to what characteristics a disease needs to possess before a lockdown can be introduced.

The justification for lockdown is covid is a dangerous disease but would a dangerous disease make it harder for a disease to spread and would lockdowns be necessary. If someone was admitted to hospital and died, they are obviously not in a position to infect others. If someone becomes severely ill but survives, they are far more likely to stay away from others as they too ill to move around and know they have a contagious disease and will avoid contact with others. I assume that the more severe the symptoms, the more contagious you are.

332500 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 43, #338 of 1601 🔗

On Wednesday I fell off my bike. I could not get up. An ambulance was called for. I lay on the ice for an hour an a half before the ambulance arrived. I was taken to a local hospital. My three days in the hospital provided some interesting observations.

The X-ray showed that I had a broken hip. I was told I would have to have an operation, which involved being admitted. After being told this by an Emergency doctor, a young woman came administer a Covid test. I told her I did not want one. She said I had to have one. I said disagreed. She got quite heated and after repeatedly telling me I had to she stormed out of the room saying she would report me for refusing. A while later an Emergency doctor arrived and told me that the test is mandatory. I told him about health professional ethics. He responded with talk of the time. I said, so I have a broken hip and I can only get treatment if I accept a covid test. He said yes. I said that in that case I would submit but under protest. He said “I note the protest” and left. A little later, a nurse (probably a nurse practitioner) arrived. She very gently touched the swabs to my nose and mouth. And I was admitted and taken to the orthopaedic ward, where I of course came in contact many others, whilst the lab would take a couple of days to get the result of the test. I made lots other observations is the same vein. I will write them more completely later.

332545 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #339 of 1601 🔗

Sorry to hear about your hip, hope you recover soon

332554 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #340 of 1601 🔗

Get well soon, and I am looking forward to reading about your experience.

332557 ▶▶ TC, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #341 of 1601 🔗

Get well soon and no doubt we’ll hear more from you.

332601 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #342 of 1601 🔗

Get well soon.

332723 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #343 of 1601 🔗

Took a neighbour to various local hospitals (by Fiat Panda, so no SD) for assessment and radiotherapy. Four PCR tests all negative (selfish relief to me). What would they have done if any had been positive, apart from tell me to stay at home so the neighbour had to get help with transport from several other people, each one then having to stay at home? Double hazmat in hospital?

332969 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #344 of 1601 🔗

didn’t they tell you ‘your hip bone is connected to your COVID bone’? It’s the science. (Pecker up.)

333584 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to TyRade, #345 of 1601 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVHqTzyZ-oM
The Prisoner: “Dry Bones,” as Heard in “Fall Out”

333814 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Steve Hayes, #346 of 1601 🔗

I think you should have stood your ground. I’m assuming you couldn’t walk so what would their option to have been…call the police to have you arrested for trespassing?!

333942 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Hayes, #347 of 1601 🔗

Disgusting to threaten to refuse treatment if you don’t take a covid test – effectively forced medication. Like enough I might have done the same but…… I’d love to be in a position to say no, “walk out”, crawl around outside the hospital screaming to all and sundry that they’re refusing to treat my broken hip – though sadly I suspect there wouldn’t be much sympathy, not many people seem to care about human rights and common decency these days.

332504 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 12, #348 of 1601 🔗

So the teachers appear to be sabotaging their own careers, not clever.

332549 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DanClarke, 6, #349 of 1601 🔗

They live in a different world where Unicorns and Dragons skip through sunlit meadows and music plays ever so loudly.
With apologies to Traffic (60’s group)

332515 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #350 of 1601 🔗

Do the teachers want to commit hara-kiri?

Looks like it. I get the feeling the backlash against them won’t be pretty.

332526 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #351 of 1601 🔗

What’s not to like for them. Minimal/no work, get paid in full and pretend it’s because you “really care”.

332615 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #352 of 1601 🔗

Yep. I seriously doubt that they’ve lost any income during all this time.

332533 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #353 of 1601 🔗

Should the backlash be against teachers, or the unions and councils who are trying to shut down schools?

332556 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #354 of 1601 🔗

Both.

332589 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #355 of 1601 🔗

All of them.

332648 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #356 of 1601 🔗

Even the teachers who are more than happy to continue teaching in school, or those that are angry about being prevented from doing so? There are many of them.

332997 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #357 of 1601 🔗

No obviously not them.

333567 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Charlie Blue, #358 of 1601 🔗

Not them but I would include the teachers who want schools to shut.

332537 ▶▶ l835, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #359 of 1601 🔗

Never was the phrase “those who can, do, those who can’t, teach” truer.

332578 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to l835, 1, #360 of 1601 🔗

Always was bollocks for unintelligent simpletons.

332619 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to l835, 3, #361 of 1601 🔗

Sad but true. I was a teacher once and was appalled at those who were teaching who were never supposed to be in the first place.

332636 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #362 of 1601 🔗

Teachers’ union leader in USA tweeted support for school closures from her Airbnb holiday villa in Puerto Rico! Boasted that they had the whole place to themselves (surprise!) just to rub it in.

332812 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #363 of 1601 🔗

As in – just how many ways are there to express the sentiment “What a hypocrite she is”.

332847 ▶▶ midlandsagainstlockdown, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #364 of 1601 🔗

They want a job that involves working from home , but don’t appreciate that they have chosen the wrong profession for that. If they had wanted do on-line teaching as a profession that choice was always available, via the Open University.

332518 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 5, #365 of 1601 🔗

These are questions I would like to ask about respiratory illnesses.

1)    A justification used for lockdown is that covid like other respiratory diseases is highly infectious. If the entire population was not quarantined there is a danger people will infect each other. The standard explanation is that respiratory diseases are transmitted in two ways. Firstly, when infected people cough, sneeze or talk they produce droplets which can infect other people if they hit the nose, mouth or eyes. Secondly, if an infected person coughs or sneezes the droplets can land on a surface. If someone touches a surface and then touches their mouth, nose or eyes, they can become infected. If people are hit by droplets or touch an infected surface do they automatically develop the disease or will many not become ill and if they become ill will the severity of symptoms vary due to viral load. In a post someone said a disease can transmit easily but not so easily make people ill. Is the immune system usually effective in preventing an illness developing?

Among respiratory disease Sars 1 which had an outbreak in 2003 and MERS are the most dangerous. Sars 1 had a fatality rate of 10% whilst MERS has a fatality rate of 33%. From reading the symptoms, it appears that if you survive these disease they make you severely ill. A justification used for lockdowns is that an illness is dangerous with a high mortality rate or creates severe symptoms in those who survive. Is it possible that even with such dangerous illnesses coming into contact with infected droplets doesn’t necessarily mean you will develop an illness?

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) (who.int)

Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) (who.int)

2)    I would assume that in a pandemic the businesses you would close are businesses where people are in close proximity such as nightclubs, theatres, cinemas and concert halls. In another post I raised the issue that many businesses closures didn’t make sense because these businesses were located in big premises, customers could easily stay far apart and these businesses often didn’t have many customers in at the same time. These businesses included clothes shops, electrical shops, furniture stores, galleries and museums. Can an infected person infect someone else even if they are far away? I understand that people cough and sneeze the droplets can travel a long distance. In a pandemic can closing the businesses I mentioned be justified?

332541 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ianric, 8, #366 of 1601 🔗

It looks like transmission is airborne so more or less any measures are useless

Lockdowns haven’t really worked anywhere beyond isolated islands

332970 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ianric, 2, #367 of 1601 🔗

You ask some very good questions and I think you know the answers.
I believe why we are still in this mess is that the hype was so much during spring, that they realised if they do a u-turn after more evidence came up it is not as dangerous as they made us believe, no-one would believe them. So they had to keep it up and go with the vaccine strategy, especially as that became the mantra early on.

332522 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 45, #368 of 1601 🔗

Does anyone feel that the whole country has become a religious cult.

332524 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ianric, 6, #369 of 1601 🔗

Yes.

332525 ▶▶ rose, replying to Ianric, 6, #370 of 1601 🔗

Yes

332531 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ianric, 5, #371 of 1601 🔗

Yes

332538 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ianric, 10, #372 of 1601 🔗

Not everyone, but it is widespread and global, so yes it is scary

332552 ▶▶ TC, replying to Ianric, 13, #373 of 1601 🔗

Oh,yes but for which cult:Covid fear orSaving the NHS?
40 years ago,I contemplated fighting for this country but it is sooooo not worth it now.
The Prime Muppet who modestly declines to accept comparison with Churchill (and that’s because there is no comparison).
Scientific advisers that would make the likes of Barnes Wallis and Oppenheimer spin in their graves.
Above all, a population that largely is simply not worth the effort.
Rant over.
Sorry.

333001 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to TC, 1, #374 of 1601 🔗

No need to apologise…its all true.

332555 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Ianric, 7, #375 of 1601 🔗

Almost everyone seems to have joined the cult. But to what extent is that conformism and to what extent is it genuine belief? I don’t know. The outward signs (masks, 2-metre paranoia etc) are there with most people, but conversation sometimes reveals contrary views.

332586 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ianric, 2, #376 of 1601 🔗

Yep. It does feel like we’re in a theocracy now.

332594 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ianric, 2, #377 of 1601 🔗

Yes but some of us are atheists.

332605 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Ianric, #378 of 1601 🔗

Yes..almost everybody including my parents and my in laws..

332709 ▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Ianric, 3, #379 of 1601 🔗

Yes, to question is heresy.

332725 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Ianric, 2, #380 of 1601 🔗

Yes

332793 ▶▶ jos, replying to Ianric, 3, #381 of 1601 🔗

As many have said on here , we’re in the middle of the Covidian cult which has usurped all other religions. Making comparisons with other religions is helpful for understanding how to behave. Think of the mask as head coverings for women in several religions.. even though I don’t adhere to any of these religions, when entering a temple / mosque / church I would put the covering on as a mark of respect while being no closer to a belief in the faith that requires this. It’s the same now when I go in a care home / hospital/ supermarket- I wear the mask as a sign of respect to the adherents of the Covidian cult. It doesn’t mean I’m compliant, it doesn’t even mean I can’t be bothered to get into an argument- it’s because a huge number of people are literally in a state of terror and it isn’t their fault. We need to remember it isn’t their fault- we are in a psy op and they are the most vulnerable- removing the mask is a sign of disrespect. In my opinion, we need to show them what the ‘priests’ of their religion are really up to in a less ‘in your face’ way. Mask removal in itself is a distraction- subtle questioning of the narrative may help to chip away at their deep rooted faith in a more effective way- but look how long other religions have had a grip on humanity – it’s not going to be easy…

333420 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jos, 4, #382 of 1601 🔗

I disagree strongly with you. You cannot plausibly equate “respectful” muzzle-wearing with covering your head in a mosque.
Face nappies are a constant reminder that there is supposed to be something to fear.
So wearing them in a supermarket constitutes compliance. It also makes it even harder for those with medical exemptions to go muzzle-free without fear of harrassment. It makes you a virtue-signalling collaborator.

332897 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Ianric, 2, #383 of 1601 🔗

Not just this country. I have friends around the world and it’s everywhere.

333119 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Ianric, 1, #384 of 1601 🔗

Yes. Sadly.

332527 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 19, #385 of 1601 🔗

Cases are going up exponentially. Deaths are going down just as fast. So, in two weeks if the deaths haven’t followed the cases back up ‘exponentially’, then we’ve got herd immunity. Or an urgent need for another ‘problem’. At which point it might be a good time to retire SAGE, and most of the government. With extreme prejudice, as they say. Send Martin Sheen up the ‘Nam river, past Tower Bridge, to the place where the PM has gone ‘rogue’. The Horror! This is the end ….

332611 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #386 of 1601 🔗

Mistah Kovid — he dead.

332639 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #387 of 1601 🔗

He’s like Charleston Heston in El Cid – they’re having to strap him to his horse to keep up morale amongst the troops.

332678 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to James Leary #KBF, 9, #388 of 1601 🔗

I think the Achilles heel for them has always been the ONS figures of total registered deaths, they can fiddle with NHS death figures but the ONS total figure is about the most rock solid data we have. Ironically of course, now we are in a new year the 5 year average which the ONS use for comparison will now include the 2020 figures. It is quite possible that deaths in January will start to slip below the average which only leaves the scary NHS stories supporting this nonsense and the NHS situation could evaporate quite quickly.

I think they are a little concerned that this thing is going to burn itself out before they have put all their dastardly plans in place, we live in hope.

333003 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #389 of 1601 🔗

That’s one of the reeds I’m clinging to.

332528 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 22, #390 of 1601 🔗

Everyone in the UK must have been infected with covid at some point by now, its impossible to believe that a virus as infectious as they say has stopped anywhere.

332702 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to DanClarke, 4, #391 of 1601 🔗

Exactly, or at the very least exposed to it. Unfortunately, coronaphobia seems to have had a more devastating impact.

332955 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to DanClarke, 2, #392 of 1601 🔗

I know plenty people who were ill starting from December 2019 to Mid-March and Covid was not a thing, so we just put it down to be a common cold, in some cases unusual.

332529 flyingjohn, 32, #393 of 1601 🔗

“When children are forced into remote education by Covid,” WRONG. children are forced into remote education by our GOVERNMENT.

The government and SAGE are responsible for everything, not the virus.

332532 swedenborg, 12, #394 of 1601 🔗

Davd Paton ,Prof in Nottingham, has one of the best daily updates about C-19 figures. He seems now has come to the conclusion that nothing can stop this virus. His below twitter thread is now clearly stating this, in astonishing firm tone from him.

The second seasonal wave despite all actions all over the world (UK,California,Germany) shows that SD is not working and at best has only marginal effect on anything.

That is what anybody would know reading the Flu pandemic WHO guidelines 2019. The evidence for any SD is extremely weak i.e. for school closures in ordinary flu pandemics ,there are only weak evidence and even reports not showing any effect at all, and this for flu which is much more prone to children than C-19. Even hand hygiene, where there is some evidence, is still not enough to have any significant impact for a respiratory airborne virus with such a high transmissibility. Test, track and trace border restrictions works only for a short period (longer for isolated islands) but even CDC stated that more than 1% penetration of the virus all contract tracing was useless.

But the government has a sort of fig leaf now instead of LD, vaccine for the most affected, those in long term care.

 https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1345434411945390082

332535 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 21, #395 of 1601 🔗

Re David McGrogan’s piece atl, the problem with it is that we have done already as he argues we should have done. We did appeal to emotion as well as reason, and we did it early. How long have we been banging on about suicides, domestic abuse, a mental health crisis? Indeed, our points have cut through to the extent that government, and institutions such as universities, have felt the need to advertise their efforts to mitigate those impacts.

If those arguments, and emotional appeal, have not cut through as a persuasive case against lockdown, that is not because of any sin of omission on our part. It is because the institutional media has been united against us, and in support of the state’s lockdown. We have been subjected to a wall of propaganda, in a ‘free and democratic’ West in which people cannot bring themselves to believe that such things happen ‘over here.’

To be fair to the people who will not listen to our arguments, it is painful to recognise just how totally entire states and entire institutional and political systems across the West have failed us.

At the same time, I do think it very likely that scepticism is much more widespread than pravda polling and the complicit media tell us.

332548 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ovis, 6, #396 of 1601 🔗

Totally agree

I think the piece is badly off target

332585 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 1, #397 of 1601 🔗

Ah, I see you had made substantially the same argument yourself below, but more succinctly and drawing out more implications.

332551 ▶▶ Mark T, replying to Ovis, 12, #398 of 1601 🔗

There is definitely a strong argument to say that the media played a huge role in shaping opinion (and I mean MSM – which has a responsibility to provide objective and factually based information as opposed to social media). But for some notable and admirable defenders (Lord Sumption as well as a handful of others – mostly from The Telegraph and the WSJ), it has largely been an onslaught of parroting the government line.

332576 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Mark T, 6, #399 of 1601 🔗

Good morning Mark

You’ve hit the nail on the head. More than a strong argument – it’s in black & white. No wonder the average person has struggled to resist the onslaught of Government propaganda.

While many advertisers pulled their campaigns, the @DHSCgovuk
via @PHE_uk
increased spending in press, radio, tv, and cinema by 5,000%, making Big Government the UK’s biggest advertiser, and many media outlets little more than outlets for state propaganda.

https://twitter.com/MaherRonan/status/1318509945097244674

332583 ▶▶▶▶ Mark T, replying to SimonCook, 1, #400 of 1601 🔗

Fantastic stat – thank you

332661 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to SimonCook, 4, #401 of 1601 🔗

The problem we have is that the media have become an arm of the government.Outside of wartime has this ever happened before?

332629 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark T, 7, #402 of 1601 🔗

The MSM has never been objective; it has always been in the business of propaganda.

The current issue is that the propaganda has never been so monolithic.

332540 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 12, #403 of 1601 🔗

Another sage expert with a name that sounds like Wombat on the Andrew Marr show telling all of us to social distance even more and also asking for more stringent measures.
I would certainly social distance from him, he looks like a seedy school caretaker that those of us of a certain age can remember from the 50’s and 60’s.

332588 ▶▶ TC, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #404 of 1601 🔗

Maybe the good doctor should consider the illustrations of policy in this link: https://maven.io/studentsforliberty/foreign-policy/destroying-the-village-in-order-to-save-it-s031SKVBbEyVc-a59-BzEA
Destroy the village to save it etc.

333036 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #405 of 1601 🔗

lol!

332543 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 11, #406 of 1601 🔗

Hancock doesn’t seem to be crying to me. I think he’s trying to hide a laugh!

332819 ▶▶ jos, replying to George Mc, 5, #407 of 1601 🔗

It’s duping delight and the BBC briefings and Bill Gates interviews have so much evidence of it – they can barely conceal their glee that this plan is all going so well..

332544 Mark T, replying to Mark T, 5, #408 of 1601 🔗

Very good and interesting op-ed by Dr David McGrogan.

I completely agree that those of us espousing for anti-Lockdown have failed to change opinion. In the big picture in terms of popularity, it has hardly made a dent. I also fully agree with his points on freedom and civil liberty. There was a time when arguing for freedom and liberty would have been consider THE most important argument for or against something. Sadly, that is definitely not the case now and liberty is associated more with being a Karen than acting on principle.

And although I do agree with what Dr McGrogan thinks will be more effective and popularly persuasive as an argument (an appeal to emotion), it is worrying that REASON isn’t what people want. What they want is emotion and utilitarianism (i.e. Spock and “the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few” argument – which is deeply ironic, given there is an obvious utilitarian argument that the multiple billions lawfully forced into death / misery / suffering are many multiples greater than the less than 2mm globally who have died from Covid thus far – with an average age above 80).

Abstractly, Dr McGrogan is saying that to get your message across and be influential, it is more effective to be Gail Wynand instead of Howard Roark. And that is deeply, deeply worrying.

332546 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark T, 15, #409 of 1601 🔗

As I posted below:

I disagree with the McGrogan article for many reasons
1) We have not “failed” – we have won some battles, not yet the war, but it rages on. Opinion is turning in our favour, slowly
2) The pandemic is nowhere near over politically and unless something is done, it won’t be this year. We will have masks, T&T, distancing, medico fascism, tests to travel, no big crowds, safetyism forever
3) We have appealed to emotion as well as reason – kids education, banning of fun, deaths caused by withdrawal of medical treatment, vaccine fears, unemployment – all emotion based arguments
4) The reason we have not yet won is that the enemy have subjected the people to a global propaganda war on all fronts that has been relentless and unprecedented. Propaganda works – that’s why people do it. If we had got our arguments in front of people even a tenth as much as the enemy, you’d see a difference.

332574 ▶▶▶ Mark T, replying to Julian, 6, #410 of 1601 🔗

Hi Julian – big picture and over the (very) long term, it is reason that is always the best argument (and the times when reason is on the retreat, that is when the world suffers – see: Dark Ages!). Against that kind of time frame backdrop, Covid forced actions so quickly that reason perhaps didn’t have the time necessary to be respected and listened to. And I completely agree that a huge part of that problem was because the enemy (i.e. governments and most MSM) flooded the populace with a propaganda war. But as you rightly point out, it’s not over for either Covid or for the greater war against the enemies of reason in the future.

332705 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 4, #411 of 1601 🔗

Great post!

However lets use this to change the approach.

Lots of really good information available but too technical and videos too long. Keep information concise and to the point – many great YouTube videos and Podcasts but totally too long. Interestingly Dr Vernon Coleman’s video yesterday was only 2 minutes long and many recipients actually watched it https://brandnewtube.com/watch/urgent-news-about-the-covid-19-vaccine_botqwzI8R7UUVY2.html

332913 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, 2, #412 of 1601 🔗

Best to keep articles short and to hammer home one aspect of the problem. I have been reluctant to pass on some of VC’s longer videos to people who need converting because the message is often too detailed. Similarly with scientific papers that have no abstract or that are too technical for most people.

332566 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mark T, 9, #413 of 1601 🔗

Problem is – we don’t have access to the agenda driven main stream media

Genuine MSM investigative journalism would have been all over this and; we would have nothing to do, lockdown and the scamdemic would be long gone

If you own the media – you own the population

332623 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 4, #414 of 1601 🔗

We need some super rich people to help us by running a big media campaign

332964 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Julian, 2, #415 of 1601 🔗

If your super rich you usually tend to be a globalist and follow the same occult beliefs as the controllers. I think our only hope is normal people cancelling their subscriptions to the controlled media and funding alternatives such as ‘The Light’ newspaper.

333015 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Julian, 2, #416 of 1601 🔗

simon dolan/tim martin/rocco forte/james dyson/the gallaghers/eric clapton for starters

332672 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #417 of 1601 🔗

This is why this has dragged on so long and I don’t agree that we’re down and out, because we ignored the emotional argument. If you look back to where good sceptical articles have appeared in the Mail and the like, these have definitely won ground. However, with the tech giants and media companies driving policy as well as holding all the cards, the only way to win, is to gain control of them. But how?

332731 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #418 of 1601 🔗

yes, and the timing of the scary mutant panic was genius – setting our cause back immeasurably. What will be the next genius when this current induced panic wears thin?

332730 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to Major Panic, 1, #419 of 1601 🔗

So true!

332558 DanClarke, 2, #420 of 1601 🔗

In this country, it is a massive hoax, maybe spite, but to make up the shortfall the pharma industry feel they’ve lost because of the UK leaving the EU who pumped a lot of our money into this particular industry.

332559 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #421 of 1601 🔗

Members of the SAGE committee (as of November 2020) are listed on the Wikipedia page. It says “ As of 19 November, the list remains unchanged [i.e. still includes Ferguson] and includes ” (my emphasis) and then goes on to list 86 names.

Eighty-six.

Anyone have any experience of being on a committee? I have a tiny bit of such experience, and even in a committee of six there will inevitably be one hypercautious nitpicker who won’t let anything go. What the hell must it be like on a committee of (at least) 86?

332621 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #422 of 1601 🔗

I made this point early on. Anything above 7 people in a room and you get everyone going with the flow.

Then you add the Skype/Zoom into the mix and what you have is a long line of people saying ‘I concur’. Not good.

332625 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #423 of 1601 🔗

You get a camel instead of the horse you were meant to design.

333165 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #424 of 1601 🔗

I thought the same, but I noticed that they’ve subtlety altered the wording of the Wikipedia page because the previous suggestion that 86 peple could have a genuine discussion about anything was clearly ludicrous. It now reads “SAGE consists of around 20 participants at any one given time .” However, the minutes rather spoil the impact of this new interpretation. Those from its most recent meeting, on 22 December, detail 31 SAGE members present, along with 21 “Observers and Government Officials” and 16 from the “Secretariat”, all from the Government Office for Science. (7 of the observers and 14 representatives from GO -Science had had their names redacted, which seems a bit odd, if they do not actively engage in the meeting.)
Taken at face value, the minutes do not suggest any sort of discussion has taken place. They read as though they are simply a Situation Report, read to the the assembled throng, who are then expected to mumble their assent and, wait to receive the inevitable gong in the New Years Honours List.

332560 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #425 of 1601 🔗

If you were not aware, but the Mayor of New York, having banned New Year celebrations in Times Square danced with his wife in said square on NYE. It was ok though as he and his misses were muzzled.

332616 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Smelly Melly, #426 of 1601 🔗

Life goes on

332958 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #427 of 1601 🔗

I am sure the dodgy symbology on his wives mask was chosen deliberately – these people really are out of control.

332561 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #428 of 1601 🔗

Were abolitionists of slavery ever in a majority? I doubt it, except maybe after abolition. Were those who supported the independence of the Thirteen Colonies in a majority? I’m not so sure Those who thought the First World War was a huge mistake were reviled and had their windows smashed in, and nobody agreed with them until after the guns fells silent. and then a whole generation became disillusioned.

for years I’ve heard scientists like Richard Dawkins belittle Christianity on the grounds that we have now moved beyond such childish belief systems. The ‘Rona panic is God’s reminder that we aren’t so clever, logical or rational after all.

332614 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #429 of 1601 🔗

I’m not religious at all but that last line certainly resonates with me. This episode has been an exercise in punishing arrogance. Even a bit of philosophising would’ve been enough to safely navigate this charade, but no. ‘We’ know better.

333454 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Londo Mollari, #430 of 1601 🔗

Richard Dawkins is not a scientist!
He’s a ……. [insert very rude word of your own choosing here].

332562 Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 3, #431 of 1601 🔗

Sadly I may have found the answer to the NOIDs figures. The one being posted is GPS. There is also a lab one – https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-causative-agents-report-for-2020

332581 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 2, #432 of 1601 🔗

Thanks! Well done I was assuming something like that would come up in the end (which is why I was not keen on making too big a noise about it). Still a useful addition to the puzzle.

332591 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Mark, 3, #433 of 1601 🔗

Me too. Still raises the question if there is any clinical diagnosis or they are simply ‘positive’ lab test results.

332622 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 3, #434 of 1601 🔗

All lab results are sent to PHE.
A note is inserted into the patient’s notes indicating that as PHE have already been notified a NOID is not required.
A clinician has a legal duty to submit a NOID if they have clinical evidence of a notifiable disease, except if PHE have already been notified. This explains the massive difference between NOIDS and “cases”.

332697 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to p02099003, 1, #435 of 1601 🔗

Thanks, that will save Whately one answer at least.

332660 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 1, #436 of 1601 🔗

Thanks, I was still having difficulty with those figures. But this data is surely positive results of PCR rather than confirmed cases.

332564 DevonBlueBoy, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 24, #437 of 1601 🔗

So a 36 year old history graduate, obviously a legend in his own lunchtime, complains that a world renowned cancer specialist is unqualified to comment on medical matters as they relate to a very mild viral infection with a 99.7% survivability profile. How does Owen Jones’ background allow him to even understand the clinical issues better than Professor Sikora?
This kid is only interested in bylines and headlines, as with most journalists, and his competence in this area is akin to that of the BBC’s climate ‘expert’ Harrabin.

332945 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 5, #438 of 1601 🔗

Many so called journalists have jumped on the bandwagon to raise their profile. I guess this jumped up boy is one of them.
There is a lamppost with his name on it (and I am a pacifist and anti death “penalty” campaigner)

333050 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Silke David, 1, #439 of 1601 🔗

Owen Jones used to sing the praises of Venezuela.
Maybe still does.

332565 cambridgenative, 11, #440 of 1601 🔗

David McGrogan’s observation in today’s blog about the belief by non-sceptics that they hold the ‘moral truth’ seems spot on to me. One caveat: there will be variability in the strength of belief across the working population. Supermarket workers, for example, may not hold this belief so strongly as they have to go to work, the same goes for millions of others. But those in public sector jobs, in particular, will surely be stronger believers as they more often don’t have to go to work.

332572 Matt The Cat, 8, #441 of 1601 🔗

MI5 Marr giving the Pig Dictator the usual smooth ride. Surprised they haven’t just chatted about the weather and footie.

332577 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #442 of 1601 🔗

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1345508448851668992

 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9106985/amp/The-world-investigate-mounting-evidence-Covid-leaked-Wuhan-lab-writes-IAN-BIRRELL.html

Alina Chan has been trustworthy source about discussing the origin of SARS-Cov2.Here she is discussing a new article Daily Mail today. Strong indication about laboratory leak. One comment discuss if that was the case why has it not been used more by the US?.I think it is easy to explain, US has been heavily involved in the Wuhan lab.

332596 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #443 of 1601 🔗

In this risk presentation Peter Dazak explains in a chart the most risky part of coronavirus work in lab from 2015.He is world expert in coronavirus.

333069 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to swedenborg, 1, #444 of 1601 🔗

I have been inclined toward lab leak for a long time.

A few years back there was a scientist (Dutch I think) who wanted to set up a similar type of lab. Plan was stopped after large number of scientists signed letter against it. (Heard a BBC progamme on this, but cannot fidn it now.)

https://breggin.com/coronavirus/Final-Fauci-Treachery-Report-10.19.2020.pdf

https://jamiemetzl.com/origins-of-sars-cov-2/

332587 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 7, #445 of 1601 🔗

These are worrying articles on the irreparable damage done to young children with the school closures and also on the repeated skipping of GCSEs and A-levels. And I have noted that, even if secondary schools are to (“dangerously”!) remain open, the kids are going to have to wear masks in communal areas. (Which part of a school is not a communal area?)

I would say that the ruling powers always think in terms of the broad paragraph, the long view. They think generationally . They can’t do much with my generation (I’m pushing 60). I have become accustomed to such troublesome notions as free speech, freedom of information etc. But the young ones are the future and if they can have their educational life disrupted by incalculably damaging stultification and also be trained to wear masks and avoid each other, then we have the makings of a peasant class more subjugated than any in history.

332602 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to George Mc, 1, #446 of 1601 🔗

Its sick but then the creeping sickness of agenda’s has been prevalent in this country for a long time

332612 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to George Mc, 3, #447 of 1601 🔗

Teachers are government union workers? They have 3 months off + each year. They want reduced work – always have. So no surprise is it that they want the children to stay home, not to prep them for exams etc. I wonder how many of the teacher-union-Labour voters are ‘self isolating’ after a fake test?

332632 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to FerdIII, 6, #448 of 1601 🔗

I think I read somewhere that the NUT union leader was on £217K a year plus perks. These bastards are in the Big Club.. just political shit stirrers..

332645 ▶▶▶ mikec, replying to FerdIII, 12, #449 of 1601 🔗

Ferd, I’ve got teachers in my family, it’s not them saying this. It’s the hardline union militants, real teachers know that this period of lockdown has ruined the education of a generation. As a Country we abandoned our responsibilities to children a longtime before lockdown, our failure to challenge poor parenting abandoned many kids to a desperately poor future. Unfortunately, for those of you who are young enough you may see these ‘educationally damaged’ kids go on to become the doctors, MP’s and Police Commanders of your future.

332756 ▶▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to mikec, 10, #450 of 1601 🔗

I’m a real teacher and don’t know a single other real teacher that supports school closures.

We know that school is the best place for children.

332749 ▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to FerdIII, 12, #451 of 1601 🔗

I’m disappointed that people on here buy in to the MSM narrative about teachers being lazy bastards.

I am one, and can assure you that we want nothing more than our children to be back in school learning and socialising.

332954 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Ellis Bell, 1, #452 of 1601 🔗

Divide and rule is one of the oldest political tricks and the COVID con has relentlessly used it. The media received wisdom is that sceptics are invariably on the right (since they allegedly put profits before people etc.) It’s a bullshit equation but it does seem to mean that much scepticism is on right wing sites. Whilst the Left echo the mainstream death obsessed propaganda but with even greater vehemence. (That’s when they even bother to notice COVID at all!)

332592 Hester, replying to Hester, 13, #453 of 1601 🔗

Re the Nurse who claimed there was a ward full of very sick Covid children, if as it appears she misled, creating further panic over Covid, then she needs to be identified, and surely disciplined at the very least for such behaviour.

332598 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Hester, 6, #454 of 1601 🔗

She will be rewarded, feted, given a medal of honour, her own BBC puff piece hour. She is part of the CV religion. They take care of their own.

332658 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Hester, -2, #455 of 1601 🔗

Here’s the direct quote; “We have a whole ward of children here, and I know that some of my colleagues are in the same position, where they have whole wards of children with Covid.”
Not once does she mention ‘full wards’. Whole wards, to me in this context, means dedicated, not full. This again is aa media hatchet job! the quote has been edited to say what they want it to say. Direct your anger at the BBC for not asking her to clarify her comments or seeking conformation form another source.

332668 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Wolver, 9, #456 of 1601 🔗

Disagree . “We have a whole ward of children here”. If someone says that most people would take it to mean a ward full of children.
BBC despicable as usual promoting such fake news to earn more clicks.

332767 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #457 of 1601 🔗

Exactly why BBC should do their job and challenge her statements. BBC knew exactly what they were doing.
Maybe she is a ‘bad actor’ or ‘useful idiot’, but BBC should be wise to that and more responsible.

332669 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Hester, 2, #458 of 1601 🔗
332685 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hester, 2, #459 of 1601 🔗

Absolutely! If you are willing to make your debut on TV by spouting misinformation then you need to take the consequences

332593 George L, 14, #460 of 1601 🔗

Lying nurse on BBC radio..



332597 mikec, replying to mikec, 33, #461 of 1601 🔗

I’ve long since given up trying to appeal to the rational part of believers brains, they are hooked on ‘mourn porn’. We first saw it here in the UK when Diana died, it’s spread to all areas of our life now and will be impossible to remove or defeat. Now I simply ask believers the question “ if lockdowns are necessary then what do you suggest we do about the thousands of kids who are being sexually and physically abused, the spouses who are being beaten and raped, and the young people who are taking their own lives because they can see no future for themselves?”

Give it a try, you’ll pi55 yourself listening to the imbecilic answers, if nothing else it brightens the day thinking that you’ve given them an even bigger catastrophe to mourn over.

332606 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to mikec, 23, #462 of 1601 🔗

The other one you can try is ‘why are flu deaths down close to zero this year?’, the CVidiot will answer ‘obviously the masks and social distancing…’, you can reply, ‘fascinating, so tell me again why is CV 19 ‘spreading’, killing, maiming, injuring?….how is it transmitted and why so prevalent if sheeple have the diapers, distancing and LDs..?’…..confused faces, stuttering will be their response with something like ‘well we are not distancing and diapering enough stupid, the lockdowns are not severe enough…….’ Rub a covidiot and the Leftard Fascist pops out.

332607 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mikec, 7, #463 of 1601 🔗

As you say, they are junkies. Addicted to lockdown and act accordingly ie being underhanded, burning through cash, nasty to non-addicts.

They only need to be asked one question – ‘When does it end?’

332652 ▶▶ robnicholson, replying to mikec, 1, #464 of 1601 🔗

Is this a response to “The Failed Strategy of Lockdown Sceptics: We Appealed to Reason, not Emotion”?
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/03/latest-news-243/#the-failed-strategy-of-lockdown-sceptics-we-appealed-to-reason-not-emotion

This article is spot on and explains the responses one gets in trying to put across an alternative POV. I will take onboard the “Stop using facts, graphs” etc and focus on emotion.

332689 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to robnicholson, 8, #465 of 1601 🔗

I disagree

I have seen plenty of emotion-based arguments used

You need to use both, just as our enemies do

The reason we are not winning the war (which is not over) is that our enemies have hugely more financial resources and access to propaganda machines

332680 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mikec, #466 of 1601 🔗

Great post!

332988 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to mikec, 1, #467 of 1601 🔗

When this first took off in March the disconnectedness from other people I felt reminded me of that weird time after the demise of Diana. I honestly thought people had taken leave of their senses and hoped to never experience it again, but at least it lasted only a couple of weeks or so.

332603 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 24, #468 of 1601 🔗

BBC

South Wales Police tweeted a picture of Hamilton the police horse “staying at home” in his stable, urging people to be “more like him”.

Who are these fucking morons

Hannibal will be brought out in due course and at a time convenient to the Stasi to charge and trample down innocent defencless women

332608 ▶▶ George L, replying to Cecil B, 1, #469 of 1601 🔗

FFS!!!!!!!!!!

332617 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 1, #470 of 1601 🔗

Once you’ve had your balls cut off no doubt.

332650 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Cecil B, 2, #471 of 1601 🔗

Then once his usefulness has expired shot and sent to the glue factory

332674 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cecil B, 2, #472 of 1601 🔗

Are the people of South Wales as stupid as their police think they are?

333037 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Major Panic, 2, #473 of 1601 🔗

Well there’s a few on here who aren’t

332620 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 4, #474 of 1601 🔗

The most qualified people in Britain calling for a national lockdown

Liverpool’s council leaders have called for another national lockdown to contain the new strain of Covid-19 and prevent a “catastrophe”.
The city’s acting mayor, councillor Wendy Simon, and the Labour-run city council’s cabinet say the speed of the rise in coronavirus cases, driven by the virulent new strain, have reached “alarming levels” and urgent action is now required to save lives and the NHS.”

Source Telegraph

332641 ▶▶ George L, replying to arfurmo, 11, #475 of 1601 🔗

Tell her to come back when the dead bodies are stacking up outside the council offices.. silly cow!

332634 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to George L, 2, #477 of 1601 🔗

Thanks for the link. Had some customers in yesterday excitedly going on about their second jab. We didn’t share their excitement.

332644 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to kh1485, 12, #478 of 1601 🔗

I’m excited about others having the jab – the sooner the brainwashed feel safer with their injection of experimental ‘safe’ stuff, the sooner we can get back to normal and a public enquiry can get underway

332649 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Major Panic, 4, #479 of 1601 🔗

I agree. I think they were surprised at our antipathy to the jab. Probably won’t come back as they will be scared about being in the proximity of the non-vaccinated.

332790 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to kh1485, 6, #480 of 1601 🔗

My fear is that MSM will start putting out propaganda that the unvaccinated are a danger to others. Atm there is no evidence that vax prevents transmission but new “ research” could change that.

333006 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Major Panic, 2, #481 of 1601 🔗

exactly!

332647 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to George L, 4, #482 of 1601 🔗

They behave like Chimps so I have no objection to them being injected with Chimp spunk

332960 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to George L, 2, #483 of 1601 🔗

why isn’t the Prince of Wales and extended lunacy protesting against this Frankenstein prick?

332630 Clive, replying to Clive, 2, #484 of 1601 🔗

Prof David MrGrogan in today’s edition (03/01/21) articulates the point that has plagued my mind for a long time now, when he says that no amount of factual evidence persuades people who require emotional reassurance. The pro-lockdown camp has always known this by default, since they have no fact-based argument for their position and have been forced to use emotion as their primary weapon. If you’ve worked in sales, you’ll get this quickly; the sale depends on how the buyer feels, not what the seller can prove. Sales people have to make friends with buyers – they can’t rely on product benefits. It was the same with Brexit and with Trump; you can point to facts, but if the person you’re talking to has already taken up a position based on emotion, no amount of evidence will help you. It’s basic psychology, and for anyone of an analytical turn of mind, it stinks. We can’t win.

333041 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Clive, 2, #485 of 1601 🔗

I do think that my absolute contempt for anyone attempting to persuade me to buy anything I don’t want is another reason I haven’t bought into any of this b.s.
If I need to be persuaded, I clearly don’t need it that much.
Unfortunately most people behave like the people of Whoville in The Grinch. Greed.

332638 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 24, #486 of 1601 🔗

Probably the best article I have ever read on Covid and where we are now:

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/12/30/what-is-left-to-say/

Conclusion:

There were some excess deaths in the spring, v probably due to Covid

There aren’t anymore

Intervention doesn’t really work

Might as well carry on as normal

332693 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #487 of 1601 🔗

Important to clarify that most of the excess deaths were probably due to lockdown:

https://pashev.me/files/rancourt-2020-mortality.pdf

332642 Kat, replying to Kat, 2, #488 of 1601 🔗

Can anyone clarify this for me? According to Brendan O’Neill, Professor Sikora was incorrect in claiming there wouldn’t be a second Coronavirus wave. I have read elsewhere that viruses don’t appear in waves, so who is correct here? I’m still confused as to how we can be clear about what is happening if we are basing figures on the PCR test which is claimed to be very inaccurate. It may be a moot point but as a non scientist I would like to be armed with facts when I argue against Lockdowns.

332665 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Kat, 6, #489 of 1601 🔗

The same issue concerns me. I tend to think Yeadon in particular was a little over-committed on that point (“viruses don’t do waves”). Seems to me this is a rather uncertain area.

That said, my position atm is that I see no reason to concede the other side’s propaganda claim that we are in the grip of a meaningful “second wave”, and I’m a little disappointed with those who do so too easily. As far as I can see we have a normal winter upsurge in a now endemic seasonal virus, combined with “first waves” in areas that were missed in the initial wave.

332679 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mark, 2, #490 of 1601 🔗

Gupta consistently said there would be a resurgence of the virus in Autumn due to seasonality. Seems fairly obvious to me.

332717 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #491 of 1601 🔗

Resurgence is not a second wave. Its endemic seasonality as I understand it. And our data is totally corrupted by PCR

332750 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #492 of 1601 🔗

It amounts to the same thing for most people, myself included.

332687 ▶▶▶ Kat, replying to Mark, 1, #493 of 1601 🔗

Thanks Mark. I also just read the article mentioned below by Malcolm Kendrick and it really does put the whole thing in perspective. I’m still not sure about the PCR test. I had an argument with a friend in Scotland who is a genuine scientist and knows far more than me about the PCR test. She argued that it was completely accurate and other than suggesting other scientists had queried its veracity, I felt quite unequal to debating it with her. She does tend to trust everything she hears on the BBC, which doesn’t help but I feel that I’m beyond persuading her.

332748 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Kat, 4, #494 of 1601 🔗

I think the point isn’t its inaccuracy but its unsuitability for the task at hand i.e. picking up actually infectious people.

333487 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Kat, #495 of 1601 🔗

If she believes eveything on the beeb, she can hardly be described as a genuine scientist.

332692 ▶▶▶ Andy C, replying to Mark, 1, #496 of 1601 🔗

Yeadon was right in the sense that the virus never completely went away and was never going to, but it feels a little pedantic to look at it in that way.

332676 ▶▶ George L, replying to Kat, 7, #497 of 1601 🔗

There’s lots of evidence out there that this so called second wave was hyped by PCR false positives. Dr Mike Yeadon being the most outspoken on this. Also, don’t forget that the instigators of this scamdemic were shouting about a second wave right at the beginning. They damn well knew what they were going to do in advance..

333488 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to George L, 1, #498 of 1601 🔗

Mockdown = kicking the can down the road.

332683 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Kat, 2, #499 of 1601 🔗

Aren’t most respiratory viruses, including C19, seasonal?

332690 ▶▶▶ Kat, replying to Julian, #500 of 1601 🔗

Good point but is a ‘second wave’ a euphemism for seasonality?

332698 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Kat, 3, #501 of 1601 🔗

Yes exactly. How many thousand ‘waves’ of the flu have we had?

332707 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Kat, 2, #502 of 1601 🔗

I think they knew this, but didn’t say so

“Second wave” is a reference to Spanish Flu which was more fatal in its second season, the reasons for which are I think not 100% clear

Also they probably expected a resurgence after the first lockdown on the basis that the lockdown partially worked

They always knew it was just kicking the can down the road and Ferguson said so quite openly, they just didn’t say it out loud as it would have discouraged people

333881 ▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Julian, #503 of 1601 🔗

Exactly this. The pubic were primed with secondwaveageddon long ago with reference to the events of 1918/19. The expected seasonal endemic reappearance of Sars-Cov2 has activated the terror-in-waiting

332727 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Kat, 2, #504 of 1601 🔗

The CEBM did an excellent summary of the situation regarding “waves”back in April (which, of course, was ignored by the panic-pushers). The bottom line is that the situation is rather confused, but there’s no reason in the evidence to assume any “second wave”, as distinct from seasonal fluctuations:

Covid 19 – Epidemic ‘Waves’

332732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kat, replying to Mark, #505 of 1601 🔗

Thanks.

332712 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Kat, 1, #506 of 1601 🔗

They may do PCR waves, but certainly not deaths. And lockdowns simply kick the can into the future, as we can see with Sweden. Its had an endemic seasonal recurrence but its not the same as the epidemic phase.

You also have to remember when looking at all data it’s corrupted by the PCR and misappropriation of deaths as Covid. So we don’t get a true picture, I don’t know how you could strip that away and demonstrate that viruses don’t do waves.

Everything with Covid is suffering from some kind of exceptionalism. It does waves, herd immunity is only by way of vaccines, lockdowns save lives. It goes on.

332738 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Kat, 5, #507 of 1601 🔗

He was right. Every time the pubs reopened, beaches were packed or people went shopping, the cries of second wave were relentless, yet never amounted to anything.

Then when virus season started, they tested the shit out of the population.

332794 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Kat, 1, #508 of 1601 🔗

is the seasonal resurgence of an endemic virus a ‘wave’?

are many/most current respiratory illnesses being mis-diagnosed as covid?

are many/most deaths attributed to covid misdiagnosed?

332933 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Kat, 1, #509 of 1601 🔗

Unless you want to define some sort of combination of minimum wave height or rise time or a whatever, I feel like “wave” cannot be a reliable technical term that we try and draw conclusions about. I like thinking of the first wave as a wave, and everything after that as the tide because they’re quite regular / predictable.

333095 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Kat, 2, #510 of 1601 🔗

I think O’Neill is a bit of a dubious sceptic to be honest. On trigonommetry I heard him say he thought covid was the worst since the Spanish Flu and that he welcomed the vaccine especially if it meant he got a freedom pass to go to the pub. That does not sound a very reliable person to be sharing a fox hole with. He is very pally with JHB and she is another flip flopper who bears the impression of the last person who sat on her. O’Neill is an ex revolutionary communist and has never renounced his past unlike Peter Hitchens.

332643 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 5, #511 of 1601 🔗

Have just listened to Johnson’s interview on the Marr show.

Marr’s questions were absolutely awful with a clear agenda.

Johnson actually giving some fairly encouraging responses to some of them, notably on the importance of keeping schools open and the use of lateral flow tests (although he didn’t criticise PCR)

332651 ▶▶ George L, replying to SilentP, 3, #512 of 1601 🔗

Ah yes.. Marr.. Bliar’s sycophantic arse licker..

332653 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, #513 of 1601 🔗

PS Not that I want to over praise Johnson… I did get the impression that he understood the balance that had to be taken. Is he about to exert some sensible authority or will he continue to be bullied into submission?

332667 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to SilentP, 2, #514 of 1601 🔗

Or is he just going to keep changing what passes for his mind?

332673 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to SilentP, 3, #515 of 1601 🔗

He does what he wants. This idea his hands are being forced is nonsense.

332696 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to SilentP, 1, #516 of 1601 🔗

I appreciate you don’t mean to praise him but are they not entirely untrustable? Why invest time to these rotten ghouls.

332850 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to SilentP, 1, #517 of 1601 🔗

Ahhhh! Poor ickle Borry being bullied!

What bollocks.

333219 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to SilentP, 3, #518 of 1601 🔗

Past experience suggests that his pragmatic stance will survive until Friday afternoon when he’ll get another call from Vallance and Whitty just as he’s about to head off for the weekend and all his advisors have already cleared their desks. Faced with the next in a long line of unforeseen yet urgent and crucial developments, he’ll be told that other members of SAGE are ready to brief the press that the PM will have the country’s blood in his hands if he doesn’t immmediately bring forward Tier 5, 6, and 7 restrictions. Being Boris, he’ll then take the path of least resistance, he’ll cave in and get on with his day-job of fathering yet more illegitimate children.

332684 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to SilentP, #519 of 1601 🔗

Hope springs eternal in the human breast!

332979 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, 2, #520 of 1601 🔗

My reference to bullying was not in regard to the interview but to the much wider picture of the various interests who have bullied the government into taking the measures they have and bullied the public into swallowing the fear propaganda.

I am in no way exonerating Johnson’s performance during this whole calamitous periods but I do not see him as being the prime mover behind it.

If he had genuinely displayed the Churchillian qualities to which he aspires he could have taken us down a different road.

Like it or not, he is still the person in the best position to change the current approach. While he is there I want him to show that he has the balls to make that happen. I am not optimistic of him doing so, but I am not aware of anywhere else to pin my hopes at this stage.

332654 Mark, replying to Mark, 9, #521 of 1601 🔗

Dr McGrogan’s piece is fascinating and makes some very important observations, but I tend to agree with the criticisms already made that it is unduly negative. It’s not that we haven’t appealed to emotion just as much as to intellect, it’s rather that both arguments were swamped by the scale of the social, political and economic powers pushing for panic.

To say we “failed” in the face of such forces is rather harsh, and also gives the impression there is nothing left to fight for, which is absolutely not the case. That said, he is also imo absolutely correct about the success of the panickers in shaping panic as the moral norm, and the central importance of this fact.

McGrogan rightly says that it is vital to prepare our ground better for resistance to future applications of this revolting new aspect of the late C20th/early C21st zeitgeist.

People understandably don’t like it when I make the comparison here between lockdown dissenters and “racists” (along with perpetrators of all the other pc thought-crimes created during the later C20th), but my point was basically the one made here by McGrogan. Society was manipulated during the C20th to make opinions that were formerly within the bounds of acceptability, outside those bounds. I watched this happen and resisted it, because I saw how intentionally manipulative it was and the purposes for which it was being pushed – political radicalism and self-promotion of various kinds aligned with business interests. And I have a visceral dislike of self-serving, dishonest sentimentality – what we now tend to recognise as virtue signalling.

That experience, imo, was one of the reasons I went straight into resistance mode when the panic was being fomented back in February and March. I watched it happen, and I recognised the methods being used, and automatically took the other side. Though I rather underestimated the breathtaking power they were able to bring to bear, in large part because of the overwhelming power boost given by fear.

On the pc issues, there is no question that those resisting the new moral norms were defeated. If you want to understand how lockdown sceptics are viewed by “normies”, think about how you probably feel about people expressing “racist”, let alone genuinely racist (or homophobic or sexist or whatever) opinions. Uncomfortable, isn’t it? Are you likely to listen to their arguments or want to hear their facts? No, you aren’t. The last thing you want to do, unless you are rather unusually strong-minded and motivated, would be to find yourself in sympathy with a demonised, excluded position such as racism, or people such as “racists”, let alone actual racists.

The established defeat of resistance to the new pc order does not mean the defeat of resistance to virus panic is inevitable. But I believe the underlying problems in our society that made us vulnerable to pc also made us vulnerable to coronapanic, and similar methods were used. In both pc and coronapanic there are legitimate arguments for the “bad” side. There are real victims beneath the shroud-waving. The point is that not enough of the people who are not self-interested supporters of pc/panic are willing to resist the emotionally manipulative exaggeration and over-application of the resulting emotions. Sentimentality is at the root of the problem.

332700 ▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to Mark, 4, #522 of 1601 🔗

The simple fact is the lockdown zealots didn’t win because of their strategy of emotional blackmail as powerful as that is, they are winning because successive neoliberal governments have been using fear to control society for decades eg. Blairs gulf war/terrorism. And they’ve been able to do this because they have captured paid for the narrative of the “free” press . Its the corporate neoliberal MSM that’s won this battle! & the propaganda war. Politicians can’t give you freedoms they can only take them away, the responsibility is ours to take them back not wait for a next time.

333144 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mark, 2, #523 of 1601 🔗

I think all that is very true…..lockdown scepticism has been consistently labelled as ‘far right’ which must be difficult for some one like Rick H. But thats because very few left wing people have been analytical like Rick H and have preferred to virtue signal because that seems to be what left wing politics has mutated into. There was a time when it had a more honourable profile. Rick H comes from that more honourable tradition.

Society these days can be very shallow and be simplistically divided into goodies and baddies and we are clearly seen as the baddies. Tony Benn in the 1980s used to say the BBC used to treat left wing ideas with a government health warning and he was right. Now of course the boot is on the other foot.

I have come to the view now that we are in for a very long haul….and that no it will not be like the madness of the 2 weeks after the Diana Death…though I do think there were warning signs then about the direction in which society was moving. I think we probably have to rely on eventual economic hardship affecting a sufficiently high number of people to change minds. Also maybe the boredom factor might help…..the sheep may eventually get bored of having no life and not going anywhere. We may have to rely ultimately on the young people though so many of them are woke…but not all. They are not going to be young for ever….youth really is very short as we all know too well. Eventually they may begin to question whether it really is worth it to destroy all their pleasures and sociability in order to extend the life of an 88 year old in a care home with dementia. I know what view I would have taken on that when I was in my 20s. But the point is back then ,in 1980 ,no one would ever have asked me to make such a preposterous sacrifice.

332656 Silke David, 2, #524 of 1601 🔗

Reading the piece about how we need to change our strategy and and also join the psychological warfare, made me see a hypocrisy in the recent The Archers episode NYE.
Tracy shares an emotional few minutes with Peggy, and expresses how she would like to hug Peggy were it not for C “rules”.
Later Tracy and Jazzer kiss at midnight, not being of one household or a couple.
I know, they authors will have their arguments ready, Peggy is over 90, and Tracy and Jazzer is part of a longer story line blablabla.

332666 Anti_socalist, replying to Anti_socalist, 7, #525 of 1601 🔗

After reading the article from Dr David McGrogan I felt compelled to comment once again, whilst the context of his argument is sound, I’d disagree with the conclusion.

Covid19 is a political pandemic & a political crisis. I hope it has highlighted to many the increasing creep of socialism. If you play their game then we become like them & they win i.e. we all become socialists!

I’d rather stick to the objective truth & my own values of liberty & freedom.

I think we’ve reached a pivotal moment in human history where divisions are so deep only one political ideology can survive, unfortunately neoliberal rebranded “communism” is winning, so submitting to their values & principles of ignoring facts & using emotional blackmail only hands them victory.

I don’t know when its going to sink in to peoples heads that the reason this woke nonsese has gained such prominence is not because politicians are quietly doing nothing, but because they are actively advocating it, Tories. socialists & liberals alike. They aren’t listening to the people that vote for them they are lsitening to the loudest & most outraged & its time we adopted those tactics, before its to late.

332703 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socalist, #526 of 1601 🔗

I agree but think it’s OK to use emotional arguments to support the truth

Rather than “communism” would prefer to brand it “lies, cowardice, dishonesty, self-interest. It’s less divisive – though I do think there’s an interesting debate to be had about whether “right” and “left” ideas have fundamentally different things to say about this madness

332714 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socalist, 7, #527 of 1601 🔗

This is not communism.The state does not control the means of production.It is a lot closer to fascism because the state is interwoven with big corporations.The end result is pretty much the same for the masses though.

332737 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #528 of 1601 🔗

The problem is that fascism has connotations of its own. This is certainly not the ultra-conservative, reactionary (right wing) “fascism” of Franco’s Spain, though it might be the radical (and therefore by definition left-wing) “fascism” of Mussolini’s Italy or Hitler’s Germany.

332802 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 4, #529 of 1601 🔗

The problem is that our definition of fascism comes from Soviet propaganda.It is at heart a dogma of the left.If you read eyewitness accounts of Germans living under Nazi rule they often compared it to Bolshevism.
It is the union of big corporations and the state in a nation endeavour.
Covid will easily morph into the climate change agenda as we move on.This will provide the reasoning for continuing restrictions on liberty.

332778 ▶▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #530 of 1601 🔗

This is not communism.The state does not control the means of production

Yet!

Wait & see, the future will be a world ruled by a few self appointed elite & run by corporate technocrats, & the rest of us equally disempowered, its a pseudo communism just like china. TYRANNY.

332797 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socalist, 2, #531 of 1601 🔗

China is not a communist country.It is authoritarian but its business model is ultra capitalist.
If the world is run by corporate technocrats then by definition it is not communism,but as I said the end result is pretty much the same.

332821 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to jonathan Palmer, -2, #532 of 1601 🔗

I’m afraid that too many are locked into simplistic political definitions that are long out of date – and irrelevant.

This lack of insight may be part of the lack of impact of the sceptical case.

333478 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to RickH, #533 of 1601 🔗

I agree with you on this Rick and thats why you and I are on the same side on this even though we may differ on other less important things. I would rather be in the fox hole with you than Melanie Phillips lol.

332839 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #534 of 1601 🔗

I’ll simplify my definition of communism for you as you’re clearly locked into a strict obsolete marxist definition.

Communism = society run for the benefit of a tiny elite minority at the expense of the equally disenfranchised majority.

Call it what you will, you & me ain’t getting a say in how its run.

332824 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #535 of 1601 🔗

Absolutely! It’s about control and whichever political ideology it pretends to be, the ultimate aim is subjugation of the masses in a police state..

332844 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to jonathan Palmer, -1, #536 of 1601 🔗

It does get tedious – this tendency to label everything with outdated terms culled from old political frameworks.

332681 TC, replying to TC, 2, #537 of 1601 🔗

Know you enemy? https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/
I found that useful to identify what the author found to be the inner/hard core members of SAGE.

332814 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to TC, 1, #538 of 1601 🔗

Or ”SAG” as they should now be known.

332688 Ken Gardner, replying to Ken Gardner, 5, #539 of 1601 🔗

“It must surely now be evident to all of us ‘sceptics’ that we have failed. Despite our efforts, the message simply has not got through.”

I’m disappointed that few of us seem to be addressing this admonishment from within in today’s editorial. We are offering comfort to each other and mutual confirmation and updating of facts and figures already well established. But surely we need to do more? Shouldn’t we be discussing strategies to get the message out there more effectively? I’m certainly not claiming to have the answers, but with more than a thousand contributions to the forum every day, surely we can come up with something better?

332699 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ken Gardner, 5, #540 of 1601 🔗

I am disappointed that TY chose to feature this very negative and IMO inaccurate piece so heavily above the line

Many people who post here do little else but discuss ways to get our arguments across/have more impact

We lack financial resources and access to mass media; we are not lacking good arguments

“Come up with something better” – almost every world government and organisation is against us. There’s only so much that can be done, and I think we are doing that already.

332728 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Julian, 5, #541 of 1601 🔗

I am pleased TY posted this. Personally I keep an eye on MSM but come here for some sanity and comfort. I don’t think it’s a bad thing to read something like this here as the reality is unfortunately we are in the minority. Posts like these hopefully lead to open discussion and debate and can only help as we move forward out of this mess. These people will not stop just because they think there’s only so much one can do.

https://worldfreedomalliance.org/

332855 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonny S., 1, #542 of 1601 🔗

Maybe I am being too harsh

Debate is good and new ideas are good

But it seemed rather defeatist to me, not much in the way of helpful ideas and not all that accurate an assessment of what’s gone on

332742 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, -1, #543 of 1601 🔗

I do hope this doesn’t foreshadow Toby’s withdrawal from the ring. What happens if he throws in the towel? Is there another forum waiting for us, or should we form our own?

332716 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ken Gardner, 7, #544 of 1601 🔗

Most people are now putting their fingers in their ears and chanting vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, most people I know who are not sceptical are simply counting the days to when they can get their jab and be safe. The vaccine means nobody is listening however good the argument.
Although, as has been said, data is not very useful in this, if the ONS total of registered deaths starts to come in at or below average in January and the hospital situation eases back the covid zealot case will start to look a little threadbare. I think we have to hold our nerve for a couple of weeks, there will be lots of fevered excitement when the Oxford vaccine is rolled out tomorrow. As the number vaccinated goes up, if the other data starts to come down maybe we will start to gain some leverage to finish this nonsense.

332739 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #545 of 1601 🔗

Unless, of course, it’s not about the virus at all, which has just been used as a good excuse for getting the control ball rolling. I’m not being a ‘conspiracy theorist’ saying this – but it wouldn’t be surprising if the government has found this kind of control so useful that they’ll find any excuse (real or contrived, lies or scare-mongering) to keep it going.
So this ”nonsense” won’t end if the PTB don’t want it to, and people, being generally gullible and compliant, will continue swallowing the lies ad infinitum now that they’re conditioned.
(I shouldn’t have voiced that – I feel depressed now.)

332691 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 26, #546 of 1601 🔗

I need to write a bloody book about this. Two women just walked in together – no (anti) social distancing whatsoever . We are ‘permitted’ do do takeaway, so we are serving stuff to the benches in the park just beyond the shop. These two women are now sitting … on separate benches. As ianric says below, we are living within a religious cult.

332734 ▶▶ jb12, replying to kh1485, 13, #547 of 1601 🔗

Or just amongst a bunch of retards.

332761 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to kh1485, 5, #548 of 1601 🔗

They’re probably moaning that everyone else is causing it all.

332768 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 9, #549 of 1601 🔗

Maybe they fell out because they both fancy you.

Seriously, though, it is a cult. A cult performed in ritual costume (masks) and ritual dances (distancing). To keep the evil demons at bay. It’s like banging plates and drums during a solar eclipse to make sure the sun comes back. You’ll only find out it’s pointless by not doing it. And who’s going to dare not to do it?

332770 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 3, #550 of 1601 🔗

Can’t wait to buy this book – maybe even a movie deal

332783 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to kh1485, 6, #551 of 1601 🔗

just a thought…

should anyone else enter your place full of excitement and joy at having just received their jabs tell them that you have it on good authority that the government are keeping secret that the vaccine does not work against the new even more deadly variant mutant – should take the smile off their faces – propaganda is a double edged sword…

332694 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 17, #552 of 1601 🔗

I’ve just been talking with a friend who told me about a woman he knows. Apparently she was so frightened by Covid that she didn’t leave her house for eight months. In December she decided to go to Tesco to get stocked up for Christmas and caught Covid. She had the usual symptoms and tested positive.

I suppose this could just be really bad luck, but maybe having locked herself away for so long she was more susceptible to catching it when she eventually did stop hiding behind the sofa?

332701 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Biggles, 6, #553 of 1601 🔗

Considering the evidence that exposure to existing coronavirus colds can confer resistance, at least, to the latest one, she probably was more vulnerable to it as a result of isolating herself. Also the general benefits of exercising your immune system.

332711 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mark, 8, #554 of 1601 🔗

Which is the strongest possible reason for keeping children at school and mixing with others. Why on earth can’t lockdown-compliant parents see that?

332704 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Biggles, 3, #555 of 1601 🔗

sounds plausible – or she ‘had’ symptom free covid before locking down in spring and she’s actually just caught the long lost flu – the PCR test could mean anything

332773 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 9, #556 of 1601 🔗

of course the positive PCR test could confirm that she is a goat or a pawpaw fruit

332745 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Biggles, 9, #557 of 1601 🔗

It’s another outing for my favourite Oscar Wilde quote: “One would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.”

332766 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Biggles, 10, #558 of 1601 🔗

Clap Clap How to shoot yourself in the foot.

We need the following to build immunity

  • exposure to other viruses, bacteria and pathogens from people and environment
  • social interaction
  • sunlight, fresh air and moving (exercise)
  • happy and not a fearful environment
332792 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Biggles, 8, #559 of 1601 🔗

…and I bet that woman thinks she’s very unselfish and the rest of us are very selfish LOL. If the virus is supposed to be as deadly as she seems to think – then just who has been growing her food for her/stocking her shops for her/delivering her shopping for her? Was it all done by robots – rather than people?

332972 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Biggles, #560 of 1601 🔗

how ill was she and how quickly did she get better? did it justify being so afraid? there’s about a 99% chance she will have realised the truth…

333228 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to dommo, 1, #561 of 1601 🔗

Plus – what a waste of 8 months if she did get it anyway!

334017 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Biggles, #562 of 1601 🔗

“Everybody lies”. Dr House MD

332706 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 6, #563 of 1601 🔗

As yet another indication of the smug arrogance of the placidly floating media:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-55518940

But growing fears that the NHS does not have sufficient staff numbers or facilities to deliver the coronavirus vaccine make the front page of the Sunday Times. The paper suggests there is a “postcode lottery” for the jab, with analysis showing almost one in four people in England living in an area with no vaccination centre. The findings, the Times says, cast doubt on ministers’ claims that two million people can be vaccinated each week to help life return to normal.

No concerns about the vax! No hesitation! Just the jaw dropping presumption that the entire population is gagging for it! But I do dimly recall that spokesman for the Intensive Care Society (would that be a society living inside an ICU?) addressing the up-till-now pathologically hidden covid sceptics. Are they trying once again to brush underneath the carpet any deviation from their sacred scripture of the vax as a chemical embodiment of the second coming?

332769 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to George Mc, 9, #564 of 1601 🔗

Yes, a lot of the MSM’s reports about the vaccine have an underlying assumption that the entire population will receive it, eventually. Even conversations I have had with other people seem to carry this assumption. Quite scary really, seeing as being forced to undergo a medical intervention with very little long-term data on side effects (especially now that the government are actually deviating from what little trial data there is, by lengthening the time between doses and mixing different vaccines) is what truly terrifies me.

332827 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Poppy, 10, #565 of 1601 🔗

Many of my own closest acquaintances seem to accept The Coming Of The Vaccine almost as ‘the second coming’ – people who, up to now, I’ve always considered to be questioning, intelligent and thoughtful people, even sceptical in many things that others just accept as a ‘given’.
I find that most depressing, and their irritation if I seem even mildly sceptical (I tone it down) is even worse.

333093 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Banjones, 4, #566 of 1601 🔗

I think people are embracing it on the same basis that the Asda checkout staff I came across last week. They are embracing it because they think it will get them out of all this. When I advised her to watch Johnson and Van Tam’s Presser from the day before in which they stated in plain English that it would not mean restrictions would be lifted. She got very angry. People are in for a rude awakening. Like everything this Govt has done, it’s written on the back of a fag packet, no thought at all gone into it and it is now a veritable shambles. Who is going to take a vaccine now when they are changing the rules of the Emergency approval, changing the advice of Pfeizer, saying people will be given a mix ‘n’ match of all three vaccines. It’s an unmitigated disaster. They are about to realise that so, given they promised this vaccine would return us to normal, what are they going to do now. I feel a legal case coming on.

332713 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 68, #567 of 1601 🔗

I had a video call with my Covid fanatic parents The first 15 min was them quoting the wholly scriptures as said by the almighty BBC ( blessed be their name),how they can’t wait for a vaccine, how people should be locked up completely, how we should have a curfew but when my father started about these idiots not wearing masks,seeing people and gasp, having parties for NYE, I just could not hold it anymore. When I told them that they are talking about me as I never wear a mask,think social distancing is retarted etc the penny dropped for them .The look on my mums face will haunt me untill I die..They were just speechless and she had a mixture of disgust, disappointment, anger,shock..The last time she looked like that was when I told them that I will leave a very prestigious university in order to join the forces..The conversation the went flat and lifeless. The cult members have been told their child is an apostate ..There is no help for these people and as much as we pretend otherwise they are the majority. Blessed be SAGE as they tell the ultimate truth!!

332762 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Thomas_E, 30, #568 of 1601 🔗

Sad to hear this.

Part of me feels that this is what the government wants – they want to divide us and turn us against our own families, and that we need to resist this. However, the other part of me feels so strongly about how abhorrent lockdowns are that I cannot possibly associate with anyone who supports them.

332865 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Poppy, 24, #569 of 1601 🔗

Same here,I time of crisis you quickly find out who your friends are. I have lost a couple of very close one,especially when they started calling me names.Enough is enough,this is where I stand my ground and I will never bend down to their lunacy. Take care of yourself, stay strong.

333074 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to Poppy, 13, #570 of 1601 🔗

I have always felt divide and rule has been a part of government strategy. I will use an example. The government argues there is massive problem with drink driving. The government passes a law where a breathalyser must be fitted to every motor vehicle and every driver must breathalyse themselves and send the results electronically to the police. Drivers can’t drive unless the result is below the legal limit and has been forwarded to the police. The government argues if this law was not in place, large numbers of drivers would drink drive and cause accidents. This creates the idea that everyone is a potential drunk driver and if this law was not in place, people would drink drive and cause crashes. This makes people mistrustful of other drivers. The majority believe the government whilst a minority are skeptics which examine statistics and find convictions for drink driving are low and the law is not justified. A divide is created between government supporters and believers. Those who drive and don’t follow the law are automatically assumed to be drink drivers and are the subject of vitriol and are condemned as drink driving idiots.

Right from the start lockdown laws have applied to the whole population. This creates the idea in people’s heads everyone is a potential disease carrier and if lockdown laws were not in place a dangerous and infectious disease would be killing people or making people severely ill if they survive. Everyone around you is nothing more than a walking biohazard to be avoided which prevents interaction. I have often heard about people avoiding each other. If people don’t follow the rules eg don’t social distance, don’t wear masks, meet in groups and socialise, they are seen as selfish disease spreaders which is an effective way of dividing people. The word covid idiot is used. My parents attack those who disobey lockdown rules. Pritti Patel encouraged people to report neighbours who had visitors in their houses. This is a sign of a horrific dystopian society. A divide is created between those who believe the government and those who don’t.

332776 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Thomas_E, 38, #571 of 1601 🔗

Your post encapsulates my biggest concern about what lockdown has done to us: the irreparable damage to relationships. Just as you have lost all respect for your parents intelligence and judgement, they now believe you are an unfeeling, criminal, psychopath. Sadly even if things went magically back to normal tomorrow this will cast a shadow across your family and millions of others as long as we all live. This is effectively a civil war.

I have long accepted the view spelt out in today’s bulletin that our rational arguments make no traction with the vast majority. It’s like trying to talk someone out of a religious cult and that is a very specialist form of therapy most of us are simply not qualified to provide.

I know many people on here keep plugging away trying to convince with stats and facts and I do that myself with strangers via social media but I have stopped talking about Covid with my nearest and dearest unless they are already sceptics or moving in that direction.

My in laws are very much bought into the Covid cult and think Boris is a saint who must be obeyed. When we saw them in the interregnum between lockdowns I carefully steered the conversation to safer waters but my father in law (hubby’s step dad) is combative and overbearing (we doubt his late dad would have been pro lockdown) and has cowed my MiL with his bombast. He made the mistake of launching into a diatribe which confused positive tests with infections and I couldn’t let it go. Having lectured us for 15 minutes, I cooly responded with facts about false positives and the casedemic at which he jumped up saying “I didn’t come here to be lectured” then accused us of wanting the over 70s dead! knowing her son well my mother in law calmed things with panic in her eyes as she knew my husband would never allow him back in the house if he walked out. Things have been frosty since then with my mother in law desperately trying to paper over the cracks.

We had always been so close and it breaks my heart to be basically in a state of armed neutrality. We have my brother in law and sister in law as sceptics and my husband’s step brother and his wife are prolockdown so siding with the in laws. Our family feels like India/Pakistan or NATO/Warsaw Pact and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

We have already lost so much. Is it better to stand on ones principles in every circumstance or better sometimes to keep ones own counsel and try and save relationships? I don’t know, but I do despair.

332803 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 12, #572 of 1601 🔗

Good questions. And there aren’t any easy answers. My family is very much on the sceptical side – but divisions arise about motivations and the degree to which compromise or accomodation is necessary.

Today’s example : taking an intrusive PCR nose swab in hospital. I’ve just refused, but probably most in the family would say “Just do it”.

It ain’t easy.

332854 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 19, #573 of 1601 🔗

Thank you for your reply.This is a very complicated situation and it’s hard on everybody. The way I deal with it is I have decided to stand my ground and not cover anymore no matter who it is.One thing that I learned in combat is that at some point you need to stand your ground and fight,nonmatter the odds.For the fanatics it will never be enough, you can never bend the knee enough,fanatism has no limits. So my advice is,stand your ground,hold you love ones close and remember:They can take away our lifes but they will never take away our freedom.

333083 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #574 of 1601 🔗

Sound advice. Very sound. I stand and fight but around here, at least as far as I can tell, people are not zealots but rather tend to the mild sceptical.

332901 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #575 of 1601 🔗

So sorry to read that. My family and me try to avoid this topic, too.
It saddens me so much how my father especially has been taken in, he is usually keen to educate himself and we have had some good discussions. When he comes out with If only the sceptics would give up their protesting and stick to the rules it makes my blood boil.
He often follows it up with. oh you’re one of those as well, so I shut up.
Makes me glad we live in different countries, as I might have fallen out with them otherwise.

332966 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #576 of 1601 🔗

sorry about that – just try and be as magnanimous as possible when the great “i told you so” moment comes – or maybe don’t….

333314 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #577 of 1601 🔗

I have a small circle of longstanding friends who like me are mostly in the 70 plus bracket. All of them are comfortably off, but all bar one of them are crapping their pants at the thought of being struck down by the dreaded Covid. Like your parents, most of their news and views come from the BBC and the Guardian. I’ve gently tried to re-educate them over the months, with reference to a number of well made videos and sensible articles, but it is all to no avail. As has already been said many times, these once intelligent people are now totally resistant to facts and now their only hope in life is of course the vaccine.

All of my Covid-Zombie contacts, unlike myself and one other, have been baring their arms for the flu shot for many years, which leads me to the view, that this is how their brains have been turned to mush. There is also correspondence in the BMJ that references a US Army study that suggests the flu shot may cause a fivefold increase in the likelihood of being infected with the Sars-cov-2 coronavirus. I tend to the view that Covid-19 is a hoax, but whether or not that is the case, it still seems entirely plausible that the massive cull of the elderly may well have been the direct result of flu vaccination.

332718 Cathnotchas, replying to Cathnotchas, 4, #578 of 1601 🔗

Reply to George L
Re Duffel Bag nurse, there was an article on Daily Mail Online earlier this morning about this including a scathing post (Twitter?) from Dr Cheung saying it was all lies.
Dr Cheung is a consultant paediatrician at a London hospital.
The article is no longer there.

333081 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Cathnotchas, 1, #579 of 1601 🔗

Dr Cheung is, I believe, the actual Consultant Paediatrician for that hopsital so he knows what he’s talking about.

332720 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 13, #580 of 1601 🔗

Sooo – I’m confused again;

If the virus, in all its guises and mutations, is so incredibly infectious….

Why do all the kids that were in school/college/uni during the autumn months not already have immunity?

Maybe – if the teachers were told they will have to teach through the summer holidays if they do not teach now – they might develop ‘bravery’

332757 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Major Panic, 31, #581 of 1601 🔗

Don’t ask logical questions. Science was binned in March 2020 and replaced with medieval superstition.

You can no longer become naturally immune to a disease after catching it, vaccines don’t stop transmission as they are meant to, and a dirty rag over your face will protect you from tiny microscopic virus particles.

332763 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Poppy, 3, #582 of 1601 🔗

thank you – yes, make sense

332939 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #583 of 1601 🔗

makes

332780 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #584 of 1601 🔗

Then there’s all the teachers that kept the schools running for the vulnerable kids, most having to do more work, because some of their colleagues were busy boosting their Vit D.

332846 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Major Panic, 2, #585 of 1601 🔗

“Cases” went through the roof only after the schools broke up.

332721 dommo, 13, #586 of 1601 🔗

apologies if previously posted:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkbKXyn4Syc&feature=youtu.be

spanish police join the resistance!!!! muy alentador!!!

332726 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #587 of 1601 🔗

Received this from a friend this morning (attached a a picture.

So tried to get on to the twitter page and found it suspended.

Woder why?

https://twitter.com/KTHopkins

332729 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #588 of 1601 🔗

And here’s another one he sent me but I can’t get on the account:

https://twitter.com/francesleader

332736 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #589 of 1601 🔗

He also asked if I can explain this but can’t:

A wife of a friend works as NHS receptionist in a public facing position. Just been tested positive for covid-19 but been told she does NOT have to self-isolate as she has already tested positive before so this result doesn’t matter.

Is this to cut down on staff shortages and stop them sitting at home for 10+ days on full pay?

332744 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #590 of 1601 🔗

Come again. The rules that apply to the rest of us don’t apply to the NHS? What’s the point in testing them then?

332867 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #591 of 1601 🔗

Reading between the lines. they do not believe that the test is accurate and it is most likely a false positive?

332735 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #592 of 1601 🔗

She was suspended by Twitter a long time ago. Going by the logo I think that’s her Parler account.

332848 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to dpj, 2, #593 of 1601 🔗

Found it, glad you know more about social media than I do:

https://parler.com/profile/KTHopkins/posts

332741 CGL, replying to CGL, 19, #594 of 1601 🔗

Regarding trying to use the emotional approach with our pro-lockdown zealot ‘friends’ – the stories of suicides, abuse, lives affected in terrible ways was all I posted when I was on FB even in the early days. This didn’t work either. There was either silence, or the most galling of responses – ‘you are undermining our confidence when we are trying to follow the rules and do the right thing’. This from a primary school teacher ‘friend’ – I had to give up posting these, as they all thought it was ‘too depressing’.

There isn’t any way to get through.

332747 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CGL, 4, #595 of 1601 🔗

Well done for trying – however don’t give up

332772 ▶▶ Julian, replying to CGL, 17, #596 of 1601 🔗

“There isn’t any way to get through.”

Propaganda works otherwise people wouldn’t bother with it

We’re not losing because of our arguments, but because the enemy have outspent us by a factor of about a million on lockdown ads

Lots of peoople have changed their minds – I think that’s positive

332782 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Julian, 5, #597 of 1601 🔗

Certainly true that the opposition can/does outspend us. We have to use our own money in the main – whereas they get to use our money too (ie take it from the taxes we’ve paid and/or the way they’ve overcharged or underpaid us). I guess it’s down lazy-itis again and lots of people function on the soundbite slogans they’re fed.

332777 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to CGL, 6, #598 of 1601 🔗

It is difficult to know just what to do about the pro-Lockdown zealots – you can give some of them all the facts you please and/or all the “look at what effect it’s having on people” things that are happening and that old phrase comes to mind of “There’s none so blind as those that will not see”. I guess this tendency has been around for some time – witness the tale of “The Emperors New Clothes”. I guess there’s a high number of people that are too lazy to read or think or anything much for themselves. Then there’s those that are even worse and are trolls or bullies and just want to yell insults and then retreat back under their bridge. Both are categories that just don’t want to listen to facts and so refuse to.

332818 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to ElizaP, 6, #599 of 1601 🔗

And we must remember that they see us in exactly the same way: passionate, unreasoning, impervious to argument, only listening to media that supports our world view. The difference is we put ourselves outside the herd which is a dangerous place. That we should be prepared to risk so much should give them pause for thought. They risk nothing.

333777 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to ElizaP, #600 of 1601 🔗

What you will find on line is that the 77th ( SS ) brigade will use all the puerile techniques to try to destroy the truth but never add anything to the discussion. Ignore them.

332810 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to CGL, 3, #601 of 1601 🔗

I agree. It’s like trying to reason with a religious fundamentalist. It’s human nature unfortunately. When you believe you are morally in the right you don’t just back down. And let’s be honest, how willing would we be to back down if they presented us with something which undermined our case. You only have to see the arguments on here over cockup vs conspiracy to see how strongly humans cleave to their belief systems.

332916 ▶▶ dhid, replying to CGL, 3, #602 of 1601 🔗

Yes it’s depressing – I have a family member, who has had a bad year for other reasons as well as lockdown, who I think, simply doesn’t want to think that all the crap we are being subjected to, is anything other than trying to “protect” us!

It’s difficult but, even though I don’t do new year resolutions normally, I have resolved to try to eat away at the faith of the “believers in lockdown”.

Hard work I know.

332951 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to CGL, 5, #603 of 1601 🔗

Removing furlough payments will ‘get through’,almost instantaneously. Start a ‘F*ck off furlough Front’. Let a few older taxpayers (for it’s their pockets that are being and will be picked) chain themselves to the railings of Downing Street, throw themselves in front of the horses at Derby Day, disrupt London traffic with ‘Savers’ Lives Matter’ marches, start a tented village with open air urinals outside the residences of Whitty and Vallance, cattle dung bomb the BBC.

333583 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, #604 of 1601 🔗

The mockdown fallout is depressing – and it needs ramming down their throats!

332743 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 24, #605 of 1601 🔗

Stand for the Reform Party in 2021 elections (new party name not yet confirmed by Electoral Commission – currently still Brexit party) https://www.thebrexitparty.org/reformuk/

Many people on this forum will never vote conservative or labour (collaborated by not opposing) again. Spoiling a ballot paper has no value even if it make you feel better,

Therefore consider a strategic approach and vote for another party such as the Reform Party – this is the ONLY way you can make a DIFFERENCE

332752 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Victoria, 3, #606 of 1601 🔗

I’m in

332806 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Victoria, 3, #607 of 1601 🔗

What’s with this EC foot dragging on name change? Must be political? Is it a lawful transfer of assets issue?

332891 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #608 of 1601 🔗

Yes that all stinks a bit – probably don’t like the idea of any reform…..

332962 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Victoria, 3, #609 of 1601 🔗

agreed – but i wish reform & reclaim could join together to avoid splitting the objectors

332751 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 21, #610 of 1601 🔗

I have ignored 10 months of Covid advice

That changed today. I have been told by a talking horse to stay at home. I will do as the horse tells me

I will stay at home and await my monkey vaccine

It’s turning into Doctor Doolittle

332775 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cecil B, 3, #611 of 1601 🔗

the talking horse is the 2021 version of jumping the shark

332860 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to steve_w, 1, #612 of 1601 🔗

The horse tried to tell Luca Brasi what to do. It did not end well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC1_tdnZq1A

332753 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #613 of 1601 🔗

every adult in UK gets 2-3 colds a year

and they tend to go round in winter

lets assume 1 cold per adult over Dec/Jan/Feb

that’s 40 million colds at 400,000 per day

current ‘covid-19’ colds are running at 63,000 per day (zoe app)

so a bit over 10% with the rest made up of rhinoviruses, other coronaviruses etc

sort of the number you would expect if it was endemic

given that excess deaths are a little above 5 year average (due in part at least to the NHS being closed most of the year), I can’t see anything other than we had an epidemic in March/April, its over now and covid-19 is just ‘coronavirus cold number 5’

332842 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steve_w, #614 of 1601 🔗

Would a ‘new’ cold caught now confer any increased cross immunity with the Rona?

332760 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #615 of 1601 🔗

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/01/03/why-did-the-world-react-so-hysterically-to-covid/

He is always worth reading.Even if you don’t agree with everything,all governments have painted themselves in a corner.The only way out,as they can never admit they have ruined us for nothing, is the vaccine.When it is rolled out together with the slope down of sesaonal wave they declare victory. It doesn’t need to be compulsory as they have a psy op ongoing rather effetive but the main thing is if they can show deaths falling which will happen whether the vaccine is effective or not.

332764 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 9, #616 of 1601 🔗

I hope you’re right

I worry they have got to like the power and control too much, and also they will not be able to put the insane safetyism genie back into the bottle

332765 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to swedenborg, 4, #617 of 1601 🔗

I am hoping the seasonal effect starts in the next few weeks (as expected) then in retrospect we can rule out the vaccines as having been a factor

332789 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to swedenborg, 3, #618 of 1601 🔗

Lol. Was just going to post this useful summary and observation on magic bullets.
While I feel the urge to seek a reckoning, it may be better not to corner people who are already desperately cornered and wait out their little arse-saving magic bullet wheeze so we can all just get on with life.

332796 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, 2, #619 of 1601 🔗

The art of successful politics is the self fulfilling prophesy.

332801 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Will, 1, #620 of 1601 🔗

yes, see what propaganda the MSM are spewing out, and go with that

332774 steve_w, 5, #621 of 1601 🔗

One things I wish is that the zoe app would plot ‘non covid’ colds aswell. They have the information and it would be very useful – mainly for context. They have never replied to my email requests for anything though. PHE, ONS etc all reply even if they don’t change anything

332781 Andy C, replying to Andy C, 6, #622 of 1601 🔗

Regarding the section on our failure to win people over. The problem we face is that the majority of people, who are emotions-first thinkers, will always see us as callous and uncaring without even listening to a word we say. We all know that the opposite is true, and I think that as a collective, we’ve reached this conclusion about our approach to others a few months too late. To the average person who still fears C19, the vaccine is just around the corner and they have only a few more months to hold out before they can return to (what they consider to be) normality.

Now that we’ve come to this realisation, this begs the question of what to do next. Is there a way we can better highlight the plight of those suffering as a result of the restrictions? The people who are now missing essential cancer treatment? The millions of people who have been unable to earn or claim a penny since last March? The increasing numbers of people taking their own lives? Or, given that the vaccine rollout is underway, do we keep our powder dry and wait for it to turn into the disaster we all know it will be?

332800 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Andy C, 5, #623 of 1601 🔗

the majority of people, who are emotions-first thinkers, will always see us as callous and uncaring

The defences in our culture against that universal feature of human nature, and against the related call to respond to threat by panicking and hiding away, were the “stiff upper lip” attitude against giving way to emotion, and the related association of keeping calm and carrying on with “manliness”, as things worthy of respect. Those cultural defences were destroyed in the C20th.

332809 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mark, 7, #624 of 1601 🔗

I tend to agree. But will a different strand of emotional thinking kick in when more people begin to realise how economically vulberable they are? At present emotional non-logic allows many people to feel morally superior because they accept the ‘if it saves one life’ narrative with no cost to themselves. However, there are some pretty strong feelings associated with worrying how you will keep a roof over your family’s head and pay the bills.

332835 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Andy C, 3, #625 of 1601 🔗

Exactly. The ball is in their court and has been since day one so any suffering going on is on their watch imo.

332845 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Andy C, 3, #626 of 1601 🔗

I have long thought an effective way to reach people is protesters with sandwich boards with photos of people who died of other reasons during the last few months, with details why they died.
One would need about 30. But of course one would need consent and details from affected families.

332893 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Andy C, 2, #627 of 1601 🔗

I’ve known this since March but struggle to act on it. The other day, my aunt suggested I read a collection of emotive stories about covid sufferers the other day. I guess because I rant about the topic a lot, she thinks this might interest me. I honestly can’t think of anything more abhorrent than deliberately corrupting my carefully curated analytical stance with emotive anecdotes. Whereas she clearly gets a kick from the drama of it.

332935 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Andy C, #628 of 1601 🔗

the timeless essay by Theodore Dalrymple, ‘The Goddess of Domestic Tribulations’, pegs our slide into the swamp of emotion at/near the demise of Diana. The “fortitude” of the masses is “precisely the virtue that the acolytes of the hug-and-confess culture wish to extirpate from the British national character as obsolete, in favour of a banal, self-pitying, will;ess, and shallow emotional incontinence, of which hysteria at the princesses death was so florid an example.” And COVID cowering another. Sheep usually require fierce dogs to steer them, for their own benefit. They are deaf to the dog whistle of rational argument.

332784 Suey, replying to Suey, 21, #629 of 1601 🔗

Can someone please explain how, if there are no plans whatsoever to vaccinate anyone under the age of 50 (without severe co-morbidities) this nonsensical and restrictive ‘vaccine passport’ can possibly work. Are vast sectors of commerce really going to refuse business from these healthy people?

332791 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Suey, 3, #630 of 1601 🔗

and people on other meds or with other conditions or allergies etc

332795 ▶▶ Will, replying to Suey, 14, #631 of 1601 🔗

There is no way we are risking a vaccine as a family. One devastating incurable vaccine injury is enough, thank you.

332799 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Suey, 7, #632 of 1601 🔗

I’m exempt from the vaccine – it gives me anxiety

332861 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Major Panic, #633 of 1601 🔗

+1

332808 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Suey, #634 of 1601 🔗

They have ordered enough doses to vaccinate 50 million people

332823 ▶▶▶ Suey, replying to jonathan Palmer, #635 of 1601 🔗

According to the news release issued by hmg on 29 November 2019, they’ve ordered 357 million doses in total (140m total of the Pfizer/Astra Zeneca vaccines). https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-government-secures-additional-2-million-doses-of-moderna-covid-19-vaccine .

333234 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Suey, #636 of 1601 🔗

Maths is not a strong point of this government

332811 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Suey, 10, #637 of 1601 🔗

The whole issue of it’s not safe for people who are pregnant or planning to be pregnant throws up all sorts of issues as well. It has been illegal for a while for employers to ask a female employee if they are intending to have children soon so if a female employee refuses vaccine employer would be in a difficult legal situation if they demanded to know why. The whole ‘you will be fired from your job if you refuse vaccine’ must surely be unenforcable for this reason.

332826 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to dpj, 2, #638 of 1601 🔗

The manufacturers say they have no idea what effects there may be on fertility. They didn’t specify female infertility, so there may potentially be effects on make fertility. Haven’t looked at figures recently but certainly male fertility has been in steep decline since the 1950s.

333505 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to dpj, #639 of 1601 🔗

Unless the law is to be changed, then sacking someone on the basis of refusing a vaccine would not stand up to scrutiny and would be overturned at a tribunal.

332834 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Suey, 6, #640 of 1601 🔗

It’s totally unenforceable, this two-tier system. Only the most vocal, nasty zealots want it. I double-dare them to bring it in.

333195 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Tom Blackburn, #641 of 1601 🔗

Yes, I agree. For the reasons listed here by those who have responded, as well as this country’s woeful track record with technology or any form of record keeping (not to mention the lack of an ID card system), plus the fact that there will be a huge amount of resistance, I think it’s a non-starter. That doesn’t mean that the future is safe – we must fight this and prevent if from ever happening, even if the technology does become available.

333507 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tom Blackburn, #642 of 1601 🔗

It may well be the end of the Covid scam if they try that, so they will rely on less obvious coercion to start things off.

332785 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #643 of 1601 🔗

Stunning BBC poll: Half of Brits are now pro- #DefundTheBBC . Hardly surprising. There’s hardly a single Brexit-voting, culturally conservative, non-degree educated person on its programmes. There’s hardly a comedian to the right of Chairman Mao on its shows.

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1345405466919264256

332833 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Victoria, #644 of 1601 🔗

A lot of high ranking people in Germany also want to abolish the license fee.

332787 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 41, #645 of 1601 🔗

Reasons to be cheerful: number:(I’ve forgotten).
Under the Severn valley railway bridge on the outskirts of Bewdley, Worcestershire is spray painted in big black letters “TAKE YOUR MASKS OFF”.
Rebellion in the shires?
No doubt on Tuesday when I go that way again, the words will be painted over ( for the common good) no doubt!
But for the rest of the day I feel more confident.

332836 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #646 of 1601 🔗

A bit of grin and bear it
A bit of come and share it
Your welcome we can spare it
And yellow socks..

332887 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #647 of 1601 🔗

They used to paint on bridges during the war ”Second Front Now!” Perhaps this is the way to begin, if other media fail.
We in Worcestershire have hardly been touched by this ‘killer virus’ yet STILL my friends and most of my family seem to be completely in thrall to the scare-mongering. Our hospital is fairly quiet, and the so-called ‘covid pods’ are usually empty.
See you on Worcester bridge one moonless night! (I suppose we’d have to wear masks, though.)

332961 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Banjones, #648 of 1601 🔗

I live just over the border in Shropshire, which I’m sure according to the “experts” is a plague pit, strange that I’ve only known one person who’s had a test, and that was in Leominster,Herefordshire.

333028 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Fingerache Philip, #649 of 1601 🔗

I briefly met this doctor in Feb 2020 in Hereford; he died of it in Mar

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/surgeon-dies-coronavirus-after-volunteering-21773938

I know of a few other likely cases then. None were serious, none were tested.

My 2nd cousin in Glos. (60) knows no-one who’s had it, let alone become ill with it.

333034 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #650 of 1601 🔗

Give Peas A Chance is still there on the bridge just past J16 northbound on the M25. Been there for about 30 years

333245 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Fingerache Philip, #651 of 1601 🔗

Just outside Dorchester (Dorset) is/was a bridge that was white spray graffitied with “covid corruption”.

333560 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Fingerache Philip, #652 of 1601 🔗

A short time ago there was a car pulling a trailer with posters about lift the lockdown, driving round Malvern.I assumed it was not local as mask wearing is very strong in the town. There’s a local rebel, and I’d love to know how to join them!

332788 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #653 of 1601 🔗

Tell you what: I will never again be lectured by a Guardian-reading, so-called progressive on inequality. They have, at every point this year, added succour and support to every single damn attempt to close our schools. We KNOW what that does to our poorest kids life chances.

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1345680648804184064

332815 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, 6, #654 of 1601 🔗

They don’t care about equality. Remember rhe Guardian supports the Great Reset and the Great Reset promises “You won’t own anything but you’ll be happy…” But you can be sure Gates, Zuckerberg,
Dorsey and Bezos will still own a little stuff.

332798 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #655 of 1601 🔗

Received beautiful photographs today from friends in the Philippines who have been snorkelling and scuba-diving – wonderful to see photos of people maskless, smiling, having fun (and coral looking spectacular and not at all bleached). In that part of the Philippines at least, normality has returned. And it has not done so as a result of government action. There was a chaotic lockdown that splintered into different provincial responses (my friend left Cebu City at dead of night by cadging a lift on a fishing boat to get to an island where she wouldn’t be locked down – the lockdown was leaky, the boat fortunately solid). Normality has returned, can only have returned, because of communal immunity. The virus has been through the community and has nowhere left to go. Good for them. I’d post the photos but they’re private. But I’m really uplifted to see them.

332830 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 23, #656 of 1601 🔗

Interview of a German tourist in Sweden, she started to cry as they were treated like humans in a cafe. And just walking into a cafe without a mouthnosecovering etc was already almost alien to her, so when she realised how “used” she is to watch what you’re doing, she realised how effective the brainwashing has been, she was overwhelmed. The Swedish do not realise how lucky they are.

332874 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Silke David, 5, #657 of 1601 🔗

The Swedish do not realise how lucky they are.”

When we were there, I spoke to as many people as I could about the madness and I agree with your statement – some were generally supportive of the govt line, others thought the govt should have done more, many fom both camps hadn’t really thought much about how different their country was and what a horrible experience it was for others

332884 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Julian, 2, #658 of 1601 🔗

Here’s a helpful map of the Swedish mentality…

333189 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #659 of 1601 🔗

Indeed. Yes, there is an element of this (I can say this as someone with a Swedish background…). Not sure how the younger generations are, though.

333188 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Julian, 1, #660 of 1601 🔗

Yes, and this is worrying, as the government seems set to take additional powers (not sure of how constitutional this is) so that it can ‘DO SOMETHING’ if the situation worsens or when the next mediocre virus comes along. I was very proud of my Swedish ancestry for a while, but now am quite disappointed.

332804 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #661 of 1601 🔗

In a mass vaccination campaign with a new vaccine this might be expected to happen rarely? Perhaps an even stronger reason for a razor sharp vaccination of the absolute most at risk,Long Term Care.Wait with the others.

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1345554375612256257

 Seizures, difficulty breathing, and encephalomyelitis for a 32-year-old physician in Mexico who received the Pfizer vaccine (Reuters report)

332822 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #662 of 1601 🔗

And now anaphylactic reaction in HCW in Oregon with the Moderna vaccine.

https://twitter.com/AnyGivenFri/status/1345559866446897153

This is not vaccine fear porn.Pro vaccine for the seriously in risk.Just contra propganda in the psyop making the public believe that it will be compulsory,just to increase uptake.

332807 Fingerache Philip, 38, #663 of 1601 🔗

Group of men fined for playing dominoes in East London restaurant: ” When police officers entered, etc”
If your house has been burnt to the ground and all your daughters raped, the reply is “we can’t spare the officers”.
Although if a group of men are playing dominoes in a restaurant, well that’s serious!!

332817 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 17, #664 of 1601 🔗

What I find most shocking and disturbing about the whole fiasco, is that people believe politicians and the MSM more than they do their own experiences and observations.

I personally don’t know anybody who has died from this disease, I ask people I know if they knew of anybody who’s died (I get the odd one who knew somebody back in March/April). So from personal observations I have to conclude this is not a particularly deadly disease, or is my logic faulty.

BTW I call myself a “scientist” as I have a technology degree and worked as a research scientist (about 15 years ago, in electron microscopy so I understand small and viruses are very small). In science we have the Empirical Scientific Method, which in a nutshell says observe and measure and from your observations and measurements you conclude.

332866 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #665 of 1601 🔗

Personally I wouldn’t apply the same logic, since it appears to rely on anecdotal experience. Better to pick the highest quality data and go from there in my view. I know an old person that died from it and a young person who suffers ongoing complications from it, but I try not to let these colour my view in any way as I think the other sources (e.g. ONS deaths data) paint a more honest picture.

Maybe this backs up what the article above about emotions as opposed to reason is saying. Whenever I discuss this on Facebook, a friend or family member brings up an anecdotal case. It makes conversation really difficult… how do you argue analytically when they’re thinking emotions? Instantly you’re on egg shells and offence is near inevitable.

332903 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #666 of 1601 🔗

Covidians don’t live in the real world.

332820 Anti_socalist, replying to Anti_socalist, 6, #667 of 1601 🔗

Question.

If you’ve died of influenza & tested covid positive within 28 days, which cause of death column is the statistic put in?

Oh wait didn’t the government lump all flu cv19 together a few months back?

332863 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Anti_socalist, #668 of 1601 🔗

now it’s death for any reason plus covid positive test to count.

332911 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Anti_socalist, #669 of 1601 🔗

Yes, I believe they did. We don’t hear much about that, though. People say ”flu’s disappeared”.

332828 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #670 of 1601 🔗

This week’s notifiable diseases tally (covers the past 6 weeks).

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948507/NOIDS-weekly-report-week52-2020-1.pdf

Covid-19 not reported by GPs.

332831 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #671 of 1601 🔗

It’s there, but not in the charts – scroll down to the end where the lists are. There were 85 cases.

332892 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to this is my username, #672 of 1601 🔗

Why hide it down there?

Comfuses the hell out of me but 85 not really a pandemic is it? Maybe that’s why it’s hidden away.

332922 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Awkward Git, #673 of 1601 🔗

Still, more restrictions are on their way.

332832 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 12, #674 of 1601 🔗

Listening to Talk radio, the guy from the Sun who won the reporter of the year, thinks that the reason we are Sceptics is because we are left wing and want Johnson gone. The media still don’t understand the public mood. Personally I thought Johnson was ok until he went rogue, maybe he was given a choice, do Brexit and give us Covid

332856 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DanClarke, 26, #675 of 1601 🔗

I am a proud socialist and I have to admit that the Bozzer is the least worst of a bad bunch and I have shocked my family by saying that I would vote for a right wing libertarian party given the chance.
I just want this hysterical overreaction to a virus gone and for the BLOODY experts to be given their marching orders and I don’t care what political party achieves it.

332864 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #676 of 1601 🔗

totally agree

332949 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DanClarke, 5, #677 of 1601 🔗

Thanks Dan.
It’s good to know that I’m not alone

332869 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #678 of 1601 🔗

Jezza voted against lockdown

332882 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bungle, #679 of 1601 🔗

He voted against one of them. Not sure of his reasons. He supported the first lockdown strongly. I’ve not noticed him doing much to campaign for a return to normality.

332904 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Julian, 10, #680 of 1601 🔗

Is he in a position to do that? It’s the Labour Party that is not doing anything to campaign for a return to normality. Nothing to do with Corbyn. He is now an Independent MP. Also, the malicious, sustained, vitriolic, vicious campaign against him by the MSM during the GE was all so Johnson could get elected. I believe the claim was that Corbyn would bankrupt this country, take us back to the ’70s etc etc. Well, well, well they were wrong there weren’t there. This has nothing to do with Corbyn, nothing at all. It’s Starmer you should be pointing the finger.

TPtB knew this was going to happen back in October 2019 (Head of Road Haulage companies were called to a meeting with the Cabinet to ask if they had capacity and were prepared for such an event). They did not want Corbyn as PM because he wouldn’t necessarily go along with the Establishment narrative. They needed Johnson in who is light weight, a buffoon and a pathological liar. Look where we are now. One thing’s for sure, Corbyn would not have just taken advice from SAGE and he would have weighed it all up before taking such decisions. Not only that, he would have also put the matter to Parliament.

332872 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to DanClarke, #681 of 1601 🔗

Johnson privileged, racist buffoon!

332879 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bungle, 3, #682 of 1601 🔗

I think he’s a criminal buffoon, don’t give two hoots about his privilege, but please cite evidence of his racism.

333024 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, #683 of 1601 🔗

No he was a wanker as mayor of London.On board with the green reset back then it’s just we didn’t realise it at the time.

332841 Bruce Reynolds, 13, #684 of 1601 🔗

All this fucked face talk of the Kung flu being dangerous, myself my fellow sceptics and just for luck throw in my 86 year old mother have all had a dose ( non got tested I hasten to add) the usual symptoms and then up and running in a few days… Move on World nothing to see here…

332843 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #685 of 1601 🔗

Request for assistance.

I’m compiling my letter to Susan Michie/SAGE et al and want to include a mask study I read about 10 days ago that was linked to from here – it was about masks and how they make the large droplets into a fine aerosol therefore making a bigger transmission risk therefore masks make the problem worse.

But I can’t find it again.

Can anyone recall this study and can post a link to it again please?

332886 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #686 of 1601 🔗

Try the mirror of LS: https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm

There’s a page for every day, loads quickly, also a site level search

332888 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Awkward Git, 2, #687 of 1601 🔗

There is this one from 2015 which concludes:

This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/

332927 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Awkward Git, #690 of 1601 🔗

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

A good compilation of sources here

333040 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #691 of 1601 🔗

Kevin Mckernan did a twitter thread on said topic of masks as nebulisers
https://mobile.twitter.com/kevin_mckernan/status/1320060012673236993?lang=en

332849 Bungle, 4, #692 of 1601 🔗

Good from the Northumbrian Prof but wrong in a couple of fundamentals. Humans need saving (not the planet which will continue without us quite happily) and the only way is to embrace that which makes us human, the neocortex. As most will know, this is the outer layer of the brain and makes us capable of rational thought. A lower layer, the limbic system or mammalian brain, is what controls our emotions. Those who are using their rational minds need to remind the emotional ones that they have the same number of neurons (brain cells) as us and just need to balance their use. Forget rationality when you’re in bed with someone you fancy but embrace it when you’re in discussion.

332851 crimsonpirate, #693 of 1601 🔗

My bet [is that] the people of this country are reconciled to that.” Boris Johnson.
Indeed they would be after the mood music since Boxing day.

332852 mj, replying to mj, 2, #694 of 1601 🔗

Been watching match of the day.. BBC had to highlight the fact that a couple of footballers from different clubs had been spied consorting with each other over christmas .. outside of their bubbles. One even played yesterday. How terrible !
But then this is BBC.. must keep up the scares.. As previously mentioned , Casualty last night was a long litany of covid and NHS propaganda portrayed as a day by day diary of the “pandemic” .
DOesnt surprise me the survey results shown elsewhere on here. nobody trusts the BBC.

332870 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to mj, 12, #695 of 1601 🔗

First they take the knee. Then they take the piss. Throughout, they continue to take the money.

332895 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to OKUK, 2, #696 of 1601 🔗

More they take the piss the better, so long as media keeps highlighting it. Shines a light on the hypocrites and makes people more likely to think ‘well if they can, so can I’. The more civil disobedience the better!

333171 ▶▶ Edward, replying to mj, #697 of 1601 🔗

The football pundits made a lot of fuss about it. Even Dion Dublin on Football Focus, who seems like a sensible guy, was spouting the party line. There’s probably a clause in every BBC contract which says that you have to spout sanctimonious twaddle when required – the “sanctimony clause” as the Marx Brothers might have called it.

332853 Hrothgar1722, replying to Hrothgar1722, 6, #698 of 1601 🔗

I was at university with Owen Jones, and he hasn’t changed one bit. He was at a different college and on a different course, but he hung around my college like the proverbial fly – because we had a number of senior student union figures.

Then as now, he was shrill, pugnacious, arrogant, self-righteous and all the rest, seeking out arguments with whomever would listen. A nasty victim complex too, seemingly thinking he was the only Northern person in the university (though he’d probably accuse me of suffering from cognitive dissonance as to the location of my home town in Northumberland).

Small wonder he acquired the nickname of “F*cking Jones” (as upon seeing him approach, people would invariably say “Oh god, it’s F*cking Jones” before making a swift exit).

333182 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Hrothgar1722, 2, #699 of 1601 🔗

Sounds like another ‘wokeist’ who never grew up. He’s nauseating and I don’t see how anyone can stand him. I never understood why Sky and others would invite him to be a commentator on anything, especially after he had a hissy fit and walked out that time on Sky (what a drama queen!).

Of course, I see a lot of that self-righteous victimhood here in Scotland….

333231 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #700 of 1601 🔗

He you hold the “right opinions’ then there is a constant stream of lucrative tv appearances.

333308 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #701 of 1601 🔗

Yes, I suspect he is the token gay, woke, Northern Marxist TV programmes want in order to fulfil some kind of ‘balance’ for panels. I just find him obnoxious (no problem with gay Northerners – just the woke Marxists!).

333544 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Hrothgar1722, #702 of 1601 🔗

You really must learn to use appropriate language – his books are superb but his comments are largely irrelevant because he is a journalist – the comment below about him being token this, that and the other is spot on but he is human and has to make a living. He is just a victim of the neoliberal system (for the few,not the many). Btw, there is no such thing as a Marxist. When you read KM’s analysis of ‘Capital’, you either think it is spot on, complete rubbish or somewhere in between.I’m 70% towards the ‘spot on’ lot but no-one can disagree, can they, as to the incredible scholarship and dedication of the man? In this sense, we are all Marxists,perhaps.

332857 John P, replying to John P, 8, #703 of 1601 🔗

“It must surely now be evident to all of us ‘sceptics’ that we have failed.”

NO, IT VERY DEFINITELY ISN’T TOBY YOUNG !

DID YOU EXPECT THIS TO BE OVER IN FIVE MINUTES?

Agan, if any of you here aren’t up to the fight, then be my guest – fuck off. Leave. Go. If feeling sorry for yourself makes you feel better.

Those who know better will never never give up no matter how long it takes.

332890 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to John P, 23, #704 of 1601 🔗

Look ,I will continue to fight even though I know that chances of us winning are slim to none. But that is just me,I will never condemn anyone who finds the fight has gone out of them or if they feel defeated. I have seen what combat does to people.It can turn bare faced 17 year olds who can’t boil an egg or iron a shirt into Lions and fierce courageous warriors and officers with 20 years of service into crying hysterical, broken wrecks..Nobody knows who they are really until the first bullet passes an inch past your head.

332930 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #705 of 1601 🔗

Thanks for your service Thomas. Don’t know how you guys do it. My cushy excel spreadsheet job pales in comparison…

332931 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #706 of 1601 🔗

Well said, Thomas. I don’t know when or if we’ll really be up against it, but it’s as you say – we’d like to believe we can step up to the plate. After spending most of my adult life as a camp follower (part of the baggage train) I’d like to think I’d be manning the barricades with the rest!

333650 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Banjones, #707 of 1601 🔗

We need sufficient numbers to win. On social media, MOS comments and elsewhere the 77th ( SS ) brigade is active and we need contingents to fight the lies and not-so-subtle propaganda that is being pumped out.

332899 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 5, #708 of 1601 🔗

I agree John P – I think it’s OK to debate how we can get our message across better but I wouldn’t personally have given such prominence to such a negative message that didn’t offer much in the way of suggestions and also seemed to think the pandemic would be politically over this year – I don’t think that is a given

332934 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, #709 of 1601 🔗

To be fair he does say we need to appeal to feelings. I personally just think the power of the media machine and the government paying the wages had our argument doomed to fail.

332926 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to John P, 6, #710 of 1601 🔗

I admire your resolve John. This is one of the few issues where I argue my case with everyone I meet however unwelcome the opinion may be as I see it to be utterly fundamental to my belief system.

That said I don’t make much of an impact. No matter how much facts/ stats I provide the government propaganda and media machine has done an exceptional job. We have a lazy population who care little about freedom and liberties and even less about researching the facts for themselves. They want the information and the morally correct position spoon-fed to them. To disobey with the official narrative would involve non conformance and out right bravery. Just go in any shop to see the level of compliance.

I do hear from people who are somewhat sceptical however I don’t hear visceral anger and contempt which in my opinion is required for anything to change. Personally, I don’t see this happening until the economic reality is felt which the government are currently in control of.

333641 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JHUNTZ, #711 of 1601 🔗

“THEY” are carefully using the carrot and the stick to control the masses until it is too late to fight back.

332936 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to John P, 3, #712 of 1601 🔗

If Toby did indeed throw in the towel, and these words may foreshadow that – then we shall be homeless unless we start our own forum. Any suggestions?

332858 Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Dominich, 21, #713 of 1601 🔗

Johnson has just said in an interview that the UK will be under stricter measures shortly to contain the spread of this new variant. What new variant? Where is it? It’s all falsified data again. SAGE once again dominate all decision making. Johnson made no reference to the state of the economy, mass umemployment, more businesses to collapse. This country is well and truly f****d now. More restrictions, more lockdowns, more economic catastrophe.

332919 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Jo Dominich, 3, #714 of 1601 🔗

Oh no, please don’t close the DIY shops Pfeffel, haha. FFS… Tiers aka lockdowns are a failed policy. He can turn the screw as much as he wants for me. Give the lockdown junkies their fix.

332862 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 15, #715 of 1601 🔗

Sunday Times magazine full on Great Reset. Long sympathetic article about Greta Thunberg with masses of inspiring photographs of “The Little Liar”. Also articles encouraging us to eat insects and otherwise embrace key themes in the Reset Revolution,

Anyone spotted any other Reset propaganda in the newspapers or media generally.

I should add I am sympathetic to many “green policies” e.g . reducing air pollution and developing green energy, but Evil Schwab and the Davos Criminal Gang are using concern about the environment to push their dangerous agenda designed to make us new serfs under technocratic masters.

332880 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to OKUK, 15, #716 of 1601 🔗

There’s lots about pushing being a vegan as well.

Nearly every advert and magazine (I’ve cancelled all but 1 subscription this year due to their greenie stance that has nothing to do with the club) seem to be pushing the green aganda, CO2 bad, diesel engines bad, ptrol engiens bad, long distance travel bad, vacation enar to hoem good, hybird good, electric cars good, plant diet good and so on.

It’s getting relentless.

332889 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #717 of 1601 🔗

It is January so veganism is being pushed for the whole month.

332898 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to p02099003, 3, #718 of 1601 🔗

They have to get rid of the leftover Brussels sprouts.

332909 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to Annie, 1, #719 of 1601 🔗

It’s natural gas after all!

332973 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Annie, 4, #720 of 1601 🔗

Having them today – pan fried with bacon and chorizo and a nice reduced sherry and stock sauce.

Yummy.

332906 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to p02099003, #721 of 1601 🔗

Veg-anuary….

333053 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Wolver, 1, #722 of 1601 🔗

Flatulentofebruary.

333114 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Annie, #723 of 1601 🔗

It have said many times that if I were to convert to vegetarianism, the effects of man-made climate change would definitely happen faster.

333259 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to CGL, #724 of 1601 🔗

Beware the evil brussel sprout, it’s a menace on your plate

You can smother it in gravy, you can stuff it with a date

Whatever way this sneaky veg descends down to your tum

Its presence will result in, foul emissions from your bum

332944 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to p02099003, #725 of 1601 🔗

I am looking forward to my happy new year Wing Rib!!!

332875 danny, replying to danny, 1, #726 of 1601 🔗

Anyone legally trained that could help me here much appreciated….
If the elected government of the Uk wants primary schools open, and Brighton council refuses, sending out a deeply emotive statement claiming to be taking the “brave” action that government will not, is that council illegally overreaching? If so, what can be done?

332907 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to danny, 8, #727 of 1601 🔗

The right for a child (any child) to be educated is enshrined in law. It is a human right.

Any unilateral decision by any council to close their schools would be illegal.

332950 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to danny, 2, #728 of 1601 🔗

Perhaps they could ‘bravely’ inform parents & guardians, their exact evidence for deciding that a +ve PCR test in the absence of clinical correlation, is proof of infection? Perhaps furthermore, they could ‘bravely’ explain exactly how testing is meant to treat & improve the health of individuals who (might) have covid-19?

332877 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #730 of 1601 🔗

Robert Dingwall
There is a choice. We can allocate vaccines according to the risk of serious illness and death or we can allocate them on the basis of privilege, lobbying or whoever shouts loudest. Is it consistent with the values of education to prefer the latter?

332965 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #731 of 1601 🔗

I am not in your ‘we’ and recognise no real choice in the frame of your presumption. The allocation of these so called vaccines has nothing to do with risk of serious illness and death – except in the minds of those made fearful of contagion to themselves and to their family or friends.
Those who choose to lose their minds and abnegate their own will are suffering a contagion of thinking – not biology.
There is a real choice, but to allow it into awareness means allowing awareness to rise within our mind and this is what all fear driven agenda actively operates to deny – as a matter of survival in the frame of a choice that is denied awareness by assignment AWAY from self.
As in;
“See what you made me do!”
and all the variants thereof.

If you want to be protected from respiratory disease complications, then adequate levels of vitamin D will simply effect this as a general preventative. There are many other factors and many other safe and accessible ways to meet the need.
But the current funding of attention, priority and response is set by fear-driven and control defined viral pathology. Which is a psycho-path-ology.
Running in the host – not just in the Bio-Pharmers.

and PS
There were two tier vaccines for swine flu (H1N1) in Germany according to ‘essential status’. Where there is no legal or scientific transparency and accountability there shall be corruption.

332881 Binra, replying to Binra, #732 of 1601 🔗

I extracted these paragraphs from a whole post on
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/on-failure-of-appeals-to-reason-to.html

The deceit of self-illusion is its own psyop, and I take self-deceit as a point of ignored and evaded responsibility because we are set in avoiding what we most hate and fear in ourselves, by the mutually reinforcing agreements to see through filters and rules that reinforce such ‘identity’ which is inherently conflicted and masked in double-think.

‘Post truth’ politics (so called) for truth simply Is, and cannot be truly killed but only masked over by invested illusion – is openly deceit. I the degree to which we are not invested in its narratives we see clearly that is has no foundation apart from the sacrifice of life to its assertion as ‘necessary’.

Twain is often quoted with regard to it being easier to (persist) deceit than convince another they are in fact running under deceit. This applies to our self, but that fact is entirely missed by a focus in ‘waking up Others’.
That is not how life works – though it is how counter narratives replicate the same core patterns in seemingly opposing polarities.

The psyop or deceit as I see it is a baited hook that targets our proclivity to react emotionally. As soon as we have reacted even in thought to the presentation, we are ‘in’ or at some level acting out involvement within the frame presented. And so this is a way of by passing a true discernment under a dramatic response – IF – we are not responsible for our consciousness – but effectively managed by a narrative sense of identity within a social norm that is always active as a form of collective self-evasion – running as if a sense of self-becoming. Yet running over and within a real life that has relationship and integral connections of attachment and appreciation – lived and shared in some sense – through the filters of our social adaptation or training.

The core fact of a deceit is that you are not in it. But the practical fact is that while you believe it it is real for you and you will only think, perceive and respond from that reality – regardless its lack of substance. This is because, like a movie, the reality is not in the world but running through the ‘subjective participation’, as a dissociated state that finds social reinforcement of both ally and enemy.

The understandings around trauma are called on here and not the presumption that you can talk someone out of it. Regardless the actual facts of relatively normal death and disease occurrences, the experience for most is of trauma and shock that invokes underlying or indeed ancient fear to the point of terror, and in others, extreme disturbance as to the breakdown of social realities that are in some sense revealed as ‘thin ice’ over territory of otherwise subconscious survival masking strategy and unconscious terror or horrors that are in some sense shapeless dread and yet take on any and every form of what I call separation trauma – that our so called ‘consciousness’ was invoked and set in lidding over, masking out and covered over by acting from the mask of social expectations and tacit agreements rather than directly witnessing or expressing the experience of our being in conflict. Social inhibition as the generation of order set over feared chaos, rather than social coherence rising from order discerned within a wholeness that does not initially reflect as supportive to a sense of possession and control. And there’s the rub.

Continues…
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/on-failure-of-appeals-to-reason-to.html

332917 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Binra, 9, #733 of 1601 🔗

Relates to what I call the vaccine fly trap. They fell for the propaganda because of a strong emotional reaction – one of relief and joy. They were then sucked into the logic of the government’s position. Now many have come realise that vaccination is not the risk-free magic wand they were encouraged for months to think it was.

And still, despite all the billions of words written and spoken about Covid, virtually nothjng appears in the mainstream media about effective preventative measures such as Vitamin D supplementation, Ivermectin, HCQ or indeed simple weight loss. How to explain that?

332946 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to OKUK, 1, #734 of 1601 🔗

Fear depends on deceit to persist as a sense of possession and control.
Which dispossesses the living of their true basis for command of any situation and renders then ‘unequal’ to it or self-lacking and so driven to gain control by denying it to a perceived opposition, adversity or negative exposure and weakening.

333514 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Binra, #735 of 1601 🔗

“You canat be serious!”

332885 Seansaighdeoir, 5, #736 of 1601 🔗

Apologies if already posted but the MOS getting an absolute kicking in the comments over ‘the palaver’ of the vaccine.

Particular emphasis on their line of ‘we have never been negative for the sake of it’ has irked quite rightly commenters. To quote this parish ‘worth reading in full’.

As Norman Stanley Fletcher used to say ‘little victories’.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9106957/MAIL-SUNDAY-COMMENT-palaver-sensible-idea-save-lives.html

332896 masksniffer22, 7, #737 of 1601 🔗

Excellent observations about the failure of scepticism. The clue was in the name perhaps. The strength of any movement is in the end its ability to occupy the moral high ground. The ‘sceptic’ – without even the spiky ‘k’ – is not a moral battler.

One thing the right wing has struggled with is getting its ‘optics’ right. It’s been apologetic for advocating self-reliance. But then unapologetic Libertarianism hasn’t cut through either. With a giant State safety net behind you, facing the cold world is always going to be unattractive and unnecessary. And that comes all the way down to preferring online shopping to facing up to a shopkeeper. And you get onto a downward spiral of withdrawal.

But is argument from emotion the answer? The situation is like the step-change in attitude which is religious conversion: whereby arguments base on negativity – managing decline, avoiding trouble, not risking offense, joylessness – have to become secondary, manipulative, ridiculous, contemptible, morally bad. From where does the dynamism, or life-force, or faith, or whatever, which that change captures come from? The emotion we want more of is joy , and empathy not so much.

332900 NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #738 of 1601 🔗

Sorry, this is a completely silly post, but every time I see that photo of the child at the top of the page, he seems to be thinking… “shit, if I shot him from here, everyone would think it had come from the grassy knoll”.

332905 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 28, #739 of 1601 🔗

From my latest article: We are lucky in the UK because, actually, it is not illegal to refuse a face covering/mask and the reason is that the 1998 Human Rights Act takes precedence over recent rushed-through legislation. Because of this, the UK government has included in its ‘reasons for exemption’ the words “ where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress”. Perhaps there are those who would ask how you prove it and this shows the misunderstanding of democracy – you may have to prove to a totalitarian government but not in a democracy; the decision is yours.The government recognises this of course and write, on their website: “If you have a reason for not wearing a face covering, you don’t need to show any written evidence; you don’t need an exemption card … it is a personal choice, not required by law”.

333046 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bungle, 1, #740 of 1601 🔗

I second that. I would really like to visit my parents in Germany but am put off for their draconian enforcing of mouthnosecoverings.
I wrote to the local public transport asking how their staff would accept an English doctors attest, actually I have to write again as I have not heard.

332908 l835, replying to l835, 12, #741 of 1601 🔗

Surely the next move should be, put each exam syllabus and teaching notes on line, set multiple choice exams annually and sack all the teachers, save a few to answer questions emailed by the kids? Schools can be sold off, massive savings for local and national government.

332956 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to l835, 2, #742 of 1601 🔗

Indeed. Our police station and surrounding land was sold off – replaced with several >£1m houses. And, according to someone who works for the council, council offices will no longer be used – council workers will be wfm from now on. Council is apparently going to rent out their offices and buy other commercial property for rental income.

333029 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 1, #743 of 1601 🔗

It actually makes sense that councils should vacate the most valuable real estate in town centres. I’ve been advocating it for a good while, having been a Worker-From-Home for over 10 years. So long as the council maintain good physical access via one-stop drop-in centres, there’s no reason why most admin. staff shouldn’t work from home. Their job is all paper-shuffling, and all “paper” is electronic. Whether or not the cost savings will be reflected in the bottom line of council tax is a whole different question!

333062 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #744 of 1601 🔗

I think we know the answer to your last point! In fact, bearing in mind the reduction of services during the hysteria, shouldn’t we have already had some kind of council tax rebate …?

The woman who told me this doesn’t share your appetite for wfm. Even if I were a pusher-arounder of paper, I don’t think I would fancy it either. And the police station is now situated next to the council offices but for how long. No doubt that will end up just being another call centre.

Take your point though.

333177 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 2, #745 of 1601 🔗

I didn’t enjoy working from home – just got forced into it by company policy. We ended up a sick company with high levels of long-term absence due to stress and depression, particularly amongst the single members of staff.
I chucked the towel in and retired early, at the end of February last – perfect timing!!
The fact that I’ve seen what social isolation does to people and have suffered some of the resultant stress and depression myself, is just one reason among many for my implacable hatred of lockdown and its proponents.

333180 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #746 of 1601 🔗

Misunderstood, I thought you were advocating wfm.

333017 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to l835, 9, #747 of 1601 🔗

Public sector Unions need to think long term before continuing to exploit this crisis for an easier life for their members.We have schools with no pupils.Hospitals with no patients.Trains and buses with no passengers.How long will their members jobs be safe if this continues.

333060 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #748 of 1601 🔗

This is actually a brilliant summary of the current situation. Also, universities with no students.

333222 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #749 of 1601 🔗

I thought the students were all prisoners in the halls doing on line lessons.I was going to say you couldn’t make this up but Yes minister did it 40 years ago!

333058 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to l835, 2, #750 of 1601 🔗

Love it. Only I suggest that we, the public, start up schools in our areas and we are the teachers. Those other people that call themselves teachers are imposters only interested in themselves and the amount of time they can get away with in terms of not having to work for their enormous salaries. Sack ’em all. We can do better.

332914 Cane Corso, 10, #751 of 1601 🔗

The post by Dr McGrogan feels right in the blizzard of emoting and lying propaganda we have been subject to since last March. But I always remind myself of the people I know and have discussed the lockdown crisis with. Out of 22 households, only 5 are lockdown zealots. The others do have very varying degrees of scepticism, or rather thought.
We must hold on to that overriding plank of our civilisation, even during this covid terror – that of freedom of thought. Free assembly has been ended, free speech is challenged by our masters. We still retain our ability to think and must hold on to that, unlike Winston Smith in 1984, or we are doomed.
This greatest of all blogs of 2020 and the many other sceptics who are publishing reasoned pieces serve the vital need to stimulate thought, not emotion. Let’s leave that to the politicians – one may emerge who opposes this insanity. But he or she will be considered mad.

332924 mj, replying to mj, 16, #752 of 1601 🔗

comments elsewhere on here about Jeremy Clarksons interview in the Mail about catching covid over xmas. Just read the piece and he is pretty honest . He had a positive test (whether false or not) . He was worried as he is 60, overweight, heavy smoker and has had pneumonia. Fair enough. He was confused over what rules he should follow.. Isnt everyone?. He doesnt appear to have been very ill.
He is very critical of BBC MSM and government trying to scare the shit out of the public.. All in all a good well written article.
And then they ruin it by mentioning that us tv host larry king is in hospital with covid. for 10 days – the fight of his life. Larry King is 87!

332943 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to mj, 7, #753 of 1601 🔗

Good to hear that Clarkson has test driven the SARS-CoV-2, shame he doesn’t question the acceleration and fuel economy figures published by the manufacturer.

333007 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #754 of 1601 🔗

Clarkson is living very comfortably on the Isle of Man tax haven. I don’t expect he has any empathy for the poor who bear the brunt of the measures designed to bring in the Great Reset.

333011 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Darryl, #755 of 1601 🔗

I thought he lived in Holland Park,London

333019 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to jonathan Palmer, #756 of 1601 🔗

I remember seeing a newspaper piece with him at his Isle of Man estate a few years ago, no doubt he also has a couple of other residences.

333047 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Darryl, 1, #757 of 1601 🔗

I thought he had one near Chipping Norton, Oxon and owned a farm there. But it’s so easy to lose track of all one’s homes, isn’t it?

333094 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to John001, 2, #758 of 1601 🔗

I thought so too; he knocked down an authentic farmhouse to replace it with something more to his liking in easy reach of David Cameldung and Rebekah Redtop. Lucky him.

333064 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #759 of 1601 🔗

Or get Richard Hammond to test drive it which will result in its complete destruction in a blazing fireball.

332974 ▶▶ John001, replying to mj, 5, #760 of 1601 🔗

We’re all free to eat a diet of junk food although I’d argue that we should have to give informed consent (‘warning: this diet may shorten your life by 10 to 15 years and may also result in 10-15 years of poor health towards the end of your life.)

The oldest woman in Spain (113) had COVID and made a full recovery. I doubt that she eats in McD or KFC.

333051 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to mj, 2, #761 of 1601 🔗

Yes, good ole’ Larry after all, what a tragedy, he’s 87yrs and got the rest of his life ahead of him!

333099 ▶▶ davews, replying to mj, #762 of 1601 🔗

Presumably after his Christmas appearances in the special Who Wants to be a Millionaire. Since they had no audience (but still synthetic clapping) they had an extra ‘phone a friend’ to compensate, each with a representative there to make sure they didn’t break the rules. Yuk.

332928 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 16, #763 of 1601 🔗

‘Matt Hancock cries on Good Morning Britain on December 8th as first person receives the vaccine’

Sorry lads, the cretin was not crying. He was actually laughing. Watch it again. There were no tears. Little Maff was ‘tendin’!

On the excellent article by Dr McGrogan, I’m sorry to say that I fear he is right. Science, logic, reason, they have not helped us in the face of Covid Fundamentalism. Sure, some of us have been successful in persuading the odd passive type of the unscientific, irrational nature of this regime’s actions, but rational argumentation only serves to ensure the deranged *fundamentalist types* (of which there are so many) become more deranged. They are utterly impervious to reason.

We’ve seen this type of hysteria before with ‘Wokeism’ and the attacks on those who don’t conform to the Woke ideologues’ ever-shifting and unstable morality/world view. We’ve seen the abuse of terms and their definitions, the labelling/name-calling, the lack of nuance in thought, et cetera. We’ve been witnessing for some time, on a somewhat lower level, the type of irrationality and hysteria we are seeing today. But my goodness, what we are witnessing now is irrationality, hysteria and preadolescent temper tantrums on a completely different scale, and it’s coming from so-called rational, grown adults. The level of unrestrained emotion is off the charts, and this alone amounts to a type of child abuse along with an abuse of the elderly, where our children and vulnerable elderly are being scared witless by this mass derangement.

I’ve often countered the deranged accusation that we don’t care about the vulnerable with a (non-exhaustive) list of those directly affected by this despicable regime’s disatrous and monstrous actions, but I have not used this argument often enough. Perhaps we ought to be writing articles about the untold missed cancer diagnoses and other diagnoses, both physical and mental, and what this will mean for the future; the potential number of future suicides due to the untold numbers who have loat their loved ones and livelihoods; the countless children who will grow up to be fearful adults instead of the rounded adults they ought to be; the elderly couples forced apart by evil diktat; the number of broken families due to all of the above: the illness, the deaths, the loss of employment/businesses, the abuse of our children and their mental well-being, et cetera, et cetera.

Yes. Let’s get emotional. Don’t fear the emotional route, though, because *our* emotional arguments still have facts and reason behind them. And we can still supplement these arguments with science and rrason. In fact, the emotional route might well prove to be the avenue wherein the listener becomes more receptive to the scientific and rational argumentation.

332940 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to common conservative, 8, #764 of 1601 🔗

I’m from the tactical retreat school of thought. Let the dog have his bone. We are on solid ground. Lockdown is a failed policy.

333048 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #765 of 1601 🔗

Yep. Let’s keep on being the voice of fact, truth, reason and rationality. We will prevail. In fact, I think we are beginning to.

332947 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to common conservative, 15, #766 of 1601 🔗

I agree. I shocked a couple in my shop just before Christmas by dissolving into tears at the stress of all this. No, not professional, I know. But people who are just shrugging their shoulders at all this and letting others feel the pain (whether it be emotional, financial or both) need to see what they are wishing on others.

And you’re right about that cretin Hancock. I have cried many, many tears and at no stage could the look on my face be interpreted as smirking.

333005 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to common conservative, 5, #767 of 1601 🔗

I believe he was laughing at the choice of name for the second vaccine victim.
Willian Shakespeare of Warwick.Even evil despots have a sense of humour

333270 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to common conservative, 1, #768 of 1601 🔗

Edit: To be clear, I’m not advocating ‘get[ting] emotional’ in the sense of crying (I’m a geezer!); I’m talking about pushing the *emotional argument* more.

Also, excuse the typing errors, and in the last paragraph it should say ‘whereby’, not ‘wherein’.

332932 trevorpee, replying to trevorpee, 4, #769 of 1601 🔗

Is this sly dig at James intended to imply he is something of a conspiracy theorist? That would be a bit rich, given that Toby seems somewhat enamoured of a certain AIDS denialist.

332937 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to trevorpee, 4, #770 of 1601 🔗

File under ‘Bantz’

332953 cloud6, 3, #771 of 1601 🔗

This is what our once proud nation has become (just from one newspaper). My comments are in bold.

UKPR
‘A range of tougher measures to consider’ Britain braced for further restrictions
PM: ‘We may need to do things in the next few weeks’
‘I’m fully, fully reconciled to that,’ Mr Johnson tells Andrew Marr

Or Tier 6, Tier 7, Tier 8, Tier 9, Tier 10…..
Tier 5 What the restrictions could include, and who might be affected
‘We think schools are safe’ PM’s message to parents on eve of new term

Sack Teachers and turn schools into homes – Online will save the taxpayer millions.
We must not furlough our children’s futures, Ofsted chief warns

Test and Trace Shambles
Bitter pill How Test and Trace let Covid through its £40bn net
Despite spending the equivalent of the defence budget, the UK has a system that is both slow and imperfect

Bad Management
Hospital crisis Patients left in corridors as ICUs run out of space and oxygen

HMS Leaky
Leaky HMS Prince of Wales spends fewer than 90 days at sea in two years
The vessel has flooded in the engine room and a crew area

Gorge Orwell’s 1984
Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984

332959 Skippy, replying to Skippy, 15, #772 of 1601 🔗

I’m self identifying as a 16 year old school girl and will refuse the supposed vaccine/snake oil on that reason alone

333055 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Skippy, 6, #773 of 1601 🔗

Self identify as pregnant schoolgirl – double indemnity.

332967 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 6, #774 of 1601 🔗

I also have been getting very down about the lack of traction we are having. But it looks like Our Leader and the CHS (Covid Health Service) are about to make an almighty cock-up of the vaccination program. The roll out is going to be slow, the decision to mess about with the manufacturers advised dose looks utterly reckless, and the lies about supply shortage have been exposed by the companies themselves.
The Fat One will have made a huge mistake if he falls out with the global companies at this juncture. He’s already alienated vast numbers of the people who voted him in, if the globalists think he’s trying to shift the blame to them then his control over the narrative will be undermined.
I fear that will polarise people even further, but it may also open some more eyes to the lies we are being told, and it may push people to actually take some more decisive action.
I don’t personally believe the vaccinations will achieve what OL wants anyway – they will only reduce symptoms, not cases for the foreseeable future. Even the slaves of the Message (Protect the NHS) must sooner or later have a breaking point when promises are repeatedly not kept.
Further point. I’m not personally bothered about getting the vaccine or not – but won’t the ignoring of the manufacturer’s advice invalidate any vaccination passports, at least as far as other countries are concerned? Other countries have already criticised the decision.

333012 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to redbirdpete, 9, #775 of 1601 🔗

I don’t see how I could possibly give informed consent to two-stage vaccination if the NHS can’t guarantee that the course would be completed in line with the manufacturers’ guidance.
I agree with your sentiment. I think the vaccine farrago will cause scales to fall from some eyes. Many, many people have been cowed into craven stupidity by relentless fear propaganda, but now that something is possibly going to affect them physically, and that something has been the subject of emotional (back to that word again) investment, the betrayal will shock them into a more critical stance.

(I don’t see how I can give informed consent anyway, but that is beside my point here.)

333042 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to redbirdpete, 14, #776 of 1601 🔗

I’m not feeling low actually. Just been for a walk and cleared the old brain cells (now on the Sherry to stoke the new ones up!!). This whole shitshow is collapsing. Dissent is growing even on the Mail on Sunday website especially around the vaccine. That’s why more restrictions will be put in place; people’s jobs don’t matter, the economy doesn’t matter, businesses collapsing doesn’t matter, just Johnson and his cabal’s personal agendas and vested interests matter. That is their big weakness. More restrictions? People have already had enough. That’s why the MSM are in massive propaganda overdrive. Not working I’m afraid, people have reached saturation levels now.

333100 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #777 of 1601 🔗

I really do hope you are right Jo

333169 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #778 of 1601 🔗

Yes, while I have some ‘down’ moments, I’m actually cautiously optimistic overall, though it will be bumpy and may not go according to expectations (I had hoped Bozo might be on his way out now). Anecdotally, fewer people are complying and more are sceptical, opposed, or at least questioning than before (just look at the comments on news websites), and I agree that this unravelling is what is driving the increased restrictions, which will then lead to more resistance, especially when it again threatens children (school closures) and livelihoods. I do think there must be a saturation level and a point where people have had enough, and I hope that is revealed through less compliance with mask rules, etc. Once that reaches a critical mass, the government will need to move all the way to bringing in the army to shoot people, or else just give up and face the music. I would hope that in the UK, it will be the latter, but in some countries, it will be the former. The real shitshow is just beginning. Happy 2021!

333292 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #779 of 1601 🔗

You are supposed to sign an informed consent sheet before the vaccine. Believe this is why some doctors won’t do it because they say it’ll just be signed rather than being understood. Already signed forms are (according to my lawyer other half) invalid if what is now being proposed goes ahead. Any doctors on here able to comment?

332968 Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 4, #780 of 1601 🔗

Some interesting tweets under #Hart. Seem to allude that things may soon change:

https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/HART?src=hashtag_click

332998 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 3, #781 of 1601 🔗

yes – all a bit cryptic isn’t it? sounds like they’re maybe setting up an alternative body to SAGE to counteract the constant flow of deliberately inaccurate scaremongering bullshit..

332971 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 24, #782 of 1601 🔗

Heard on the radio that tougher measures are being considered because Tier 4 isn’t good enough. This is worrying news because what is tougher than tier 4 which is equal to a lockdown. Secondary school closures and compulsory mask wearing in outdoor spaces seems to be the most likely as the government seem keen on having primary schools open. I’m very curious to see how face masks outdoors goes down with the public.

In other news, I had a friend contact me asking about my experience with Covid back in March. I was feverish and had a horrible cough for about a week but came out fine with antibodies to prove it. My friend was asking about my experience because he is certain he has long covid but isn’t sure when he had covid in the past year. This is the same hypochondriac friend who insisted we wear face masks to his garden party in August. He believes that because he occasionally gets chest tightness and feels lethargic it must without a shadow of doubt be long covid which is plaguing him even though he has never noticed having covid. I lost it and told him he was being ridiculous and that if he cannot remember having Covid he definitely does not have long covid. I suggested that the chest tightness and lethargy are common symptoms of anxiety and depression which he often claims to have.

“No no no no that couldn’t be the reason it has got to be long covid”.

We are living in a world where people have been conditioned to think the only dangerous or harmful thing is a virus with a 99+% survival rate. This cult of covid worship is going to last longer than the restrictions in place.

332976 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Ricky1, 40, #783 of 1601 🔗

I am NOT going to wear a mask outside. That is the point at which my objections become militant.

332999 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to redbirdpete, 24, #784 of 1601 🔗

I hope they bring it on.The restrictions have lasted because they are so easy to circumvent.Outdoor masking with no scientific evidence to back it could be the trigger for mass civil disobedience.it will cause people to make a choice.To demand a mask to enter private property is so different to wearing one in the free outdoors.I will violently oppose anyone who tries to enforce this.

333075 ▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #785 of 1601 🔗

Me too, that could be the line in the sand for many.

333158 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 4, #786 of 1601 🔗

Yes, we need to look into what to do if arrested for this – I keep hearing people say to remain calm and do not get violent, but also not to accept the fine and take it to court instead. I’ve never been arrested so don’t know all the details but this would be my ‘line in the sand’ and I’m of the firm belief that if people don’t begin to resist in large numbers, this shitshow will never end and will, indeed, get much worse. We need lots of ‘Rosa Parks’ moments, plus some larger mass protests, and this needs to happen soon.

333400 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #787 of 1601 🔗

Yes, without mass protests it will be almost impossible to make headway, The thugs in in blue have been instructed to intimidate protestors, so police thuggery should be forcefully resisted, as an act of legitimate self-defence.

333159 ▶▶▶▶ ZigZag, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #788 of 1601 🔗

Totally agree. I’ll never wear a mask indoors or outdoors. If I’m symptomatic then I’ll stay at home like I would with any virus.

Same goes for any curfew. I’ll go out of my way to break it as often as possible. As an asymptomatic person indoors or outdoors, I’m not a threat to anyone’s health and would happily go to court to prove it.

333517 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to ZigZag, #789 of 1601 🔗

Just wondering how they could get this across to people anyway – I’ve given up on reading the news now as it’s full of lies – how do they propose to make people aware of it and what proof would there be that you have read these ‘tier whatever’ rules..?

333878 ▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to ZigZag, #790 of 1601 🔗

Correct. We must resist. I met three friends today for a walk and there were stupid one way signs everywhere. We walked in the opposite direction obviously. Four sanctimonious t**ts had an opinion. Up with this I will not put.

333250 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #791 of 1601 🔗

Same here. How can they enforce public mask wearing in the streets? They can only do it in shops etc because the shopkeeper can refuse service and/or call the police. OK they could use CCTV but that would take hours of police time. I don’t say they won’t make it compulsory – but I don’t think they will realistically be able to enforce it.

333677 ▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to jonathan Palmer, #792 of 1601 🔗

We have compulsory mask-wearing outdoors in the major cities in France, and the level of compliance is very high. At first, I just didn’t do it, but the problem now is not so much the police, but getting aggressively challenged by members of the public. My six year old daughter also has to wear a mask all day at school. It really is an appalling situation, but you’d be amazed how people go along with it.

333869 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to redbirdpete, #793 of 1601 🔗

Never. I’ll die in that trench.

332993 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ricky1, 6, #794 of 1601 🔗

“Tougher measures”? Oh ffs.

333033 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to kh1485, 9, #795 of 1601 🔗

SAGE again. It seems Johnson, Wancock et al are completely unable to think for themselves or to critically analyse anything. Johnson’s only thought seems to be to abnegate responsibility about any of this.

333162 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #796 of 1601 🔗

Yes, because Johnson is like an overgrown child, with a puerile mentality and the immaturity to match. I remain hopeful that he will finally leave office of his own accord (the job’s not fun anymore, he doesn’t earn enough money, many people hate him, etc), but who knows. I had hoped Sunak would have made a move by now but am less optimistic now.

333458 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #797 of 1601 🔗

Johnson and some others in the Government are an integral part of Bill Gates’s psychopathic plan to cull the world’s great masses, by means of toxic vaccines. Johnson though, may be getting cold feet, as the enormity of what they are doing, on behalf of Gates, becomes just too obvious to be ignored, by those who have survived the first vaccine cull and they may rightly want his head on a platter or a pike.

Johnson has purposely tried to make it appear that he is doing only what the scientists advise, this is a blatant lie and is simply cover for his big fat arse, when things turn nasty for the government.

333032 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ricky1, 2, #798 of 1601 🔗

I totally agree his chest pain and lethargy is anxiety and depression. I have exactly the same symptoms (although I suspect I had mild covid beginning of March).

333148 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ricky1, 5, #799 of 1601 🔗

He believes that because he occasionally gets chest tightness and feels lethargic

Sounds like lockdownitis, what he needs is a good night out a few beers with his mates along with hugs and kisses……..damn it. Sorry that’s a ridiculous idea and far to normal!

333160 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to stefarm, 7, #800 of 1601 🔗

You joke, but I would put money on the majority of this long covid bollocks actually being lockdownitis (thanks for that word). What do they think is going to happen when the majority of the population suddenly do no exercise, eat nothing but takeaways and depress and terrify themselves by pissing their panties over a non-existent plague.

333225 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ricky1, 5, #801 of 1601 🔗

We are still in lockdown

Started in March

333880 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Julian, #802 of 1601 🔗

Damn right.

332975 John P, replying to John P, 23, #803 of 1601 🔗

I said a week ago that I would not come here again – it’s not good for my mental health. And here I am.

Actually, whether or not it’s good for my mental health is open to question. And it’s a question I may not qualified to answer.

In any event, I’m limiting my presence on these threads, reading few of the comments and not returning to any I post. I will state my case – take it or leave it. Arguing with me about it won’t change my viewpoint. So troll me if you wish – I won’t be reading what you say.

I was, as I said earlier, very much angered by Toby’s publication of a defeatist sceptic on here who wanted to elicit the consensus of “failure”.

“Fail” is simply a word, but a word that can become an attitude of mind if the garden of your mind is not tended and weeded regularly. And “fail” is very definitely a weed of the mind.

It’s important to note perhaps that life will always (with or without covid and lockdowns) provide challenges. Nobody lives forever (at least in a physical sense – within the psyche the concept is is a more open one) and so most people will suffer physical pain and distress at some time in their lives and the loss of loved ones. That’s life. For all of us.

Do you take the defeatist attitude of a Queen Victoria who mourned for forty years the death of her beloved Albert? or do you learn to deal with the “loss” and continue to live your life?

Multiple significant relationships are normal and common (though perhaps not all at the same time!)

Life can be difficult, but generally there is someone in a worse place than you are. That doesn’t make their situation okay, or your situation acceptible, but self pity is never necessary, certainly not as a significant attitudinal stance towards life.

So, no WE HAVE SUCCEEDED! But the battle is not yet won. It will take time.

Given that we are up against the might of the State, I think we are doing very well and our numbers can and will only increase.

In my small family circle of seven adults and one child there are no lockdown zealots and nobody pushing government narratives.

How much of that is due to my efforts is open to question. Maybe some, maybe none. But it is very definitely not the case that the zealots have “won” and I really question whether they are, in fact, actually the majority. (Though I am sure they would like to tell you that they are!)

332994 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to John P, 6, #804 of 1601 🔗

By the sounds of it you won’t read this John but glad your back. We need opinions that are willing to disagree with the main consensus.

333002 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to John P, 3, #805 of 1601 🔗

My experience is that half the people I know are mild sceptics (think its over done but don’t really have the data) – 1 is a massive sceptic and knows the data inside out – has been great to have this companion – the rest are following the bbc/narrative and are open to seeing graphs – doesn’t really change their mind though. These latter will change when the narrative changes – which it will when we stop counting covid deaths and start counting lockdown deaths – which will happen over many years. The virtue signallers will have no covid left to signal so will move onto the next thing – world hunger, suspension of innoculation campaigns etc

333030 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to John P, 7, #806 of 1601 🔗

John P, what you say is true. We haven’t failed because the truth is breaking through, o.k. not in a flood yet but it is. We just have to organise our offensive a little better and get it out there. I’m looking at a possible suggestion Conservative Woman put forward and put on here about a ‘Council for Covid Truth and Democracy’ or something like that.

It seems to me that Saving Scotland can get organised so can we. I am going to put some feelers out to people about this. Today I am finalising my FTP complaint to the GMC in respect of Professor Hugh Montgomery. I will send it to Toby/Will when it is finalised and submitted.

Keep up your posts John P. Agreement isn’t the barometer of whether something is true or not.

333221 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 1, #807 of 1601 🔗

I agree with all of your points

333244 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to John P, #808 of 1601 🔗

I may have criticised you, stupidly. Please accept my apologies.

333290 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to John P, #809 of 1601 🔗

I think I’m succeeding even though I often doubt myself. 10 months on I’m still here. I sigh heavily over some of my family/friends but in those 10 months I’ve seen some absolute fanatics gently move more towards being sceptic as time advances. It’s the little things that keep me going most. Have to grit my teeth when mask wearers jump into the hedge but I stop & smile at them. They may hate it but it is my mission to show them faces still exist.
It’ll take months & a lot of tears but the intention is to see it through the only way I know how

332978 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 16, #810 of 1601 🔗

I don’t agree with McGrogan that the answer is to argue against lockdown more emotively. What has happened is an almost perfect storm of events that exploit the characteristics of the modern world. You could almost call it a social virus.
1) Emotionalism
2) Magic Money
3) Control of institutions by public guardians.

COVID-19 simply presents itself as an ideal vehicle for these three things. It could have been anything. The society we have created, or allowed to develop, is so morally and intellectually weak that it allows itself the self-indulgence of borrowing enough to shut down for a year. Let someone else pay.

333022 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to WhyNow, 3, #811 of 1601 🔗

The problem with playing the high stakes emotion games the Govt and scientists are playing with us is that, in any relationship, work, Govt etc, those emotions wear thin and eventually out because they cannot be sustained for very long.

It is clear and distinct thinking, rationale thought and the truth that will eventually prevail because people become exhausted from a roller coaster ride of high stakes emotions, it’s not sustainable.

332985 DanClarke, 3, #812 of 1601 🔗

Has Johnson been told that they will ruin his Brexit if he doesn’t keep up the bigger wider narrative of Covid?

332995 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 12, #813 of 1601 🔗

A New York Senate bill is proposing Quarantine Camps with armed guards for people who refuse the vaccine(s) or testing (their not there to stop people getting in! so basically concentration camps). This is a completely Democrat controlled city so the bill will pass. The ‘Land of the Free’ is a completely misleading piece of propaganda.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/uUH7PfMM8bcp/

Still the state apologists say it’s all an accidental overreaction. The controlled media is full of technocratic ‘Great Reset’ propaganda. People really need to stand up to this authoritarianism in the name of safety from an invisible enemy. Any problem which causes the population to clamour for big state protection is usually instigated by the elite social engineers who offer the ‘protection’ (false flag terror attacks being their usual favourite method).

333026 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Darryl, 3, #814 of 1601 🔗

On a more positive note, Court ruling in Texas allows small businesses to open that had been ordered to close.

333065 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Darryl, 1, #815 of 1601 🔗

Sounds a lot like the Leaked Canadian report.Thats one thing we are lacking here which is a shame because we invented the concentration camp.

332996 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 7, #816 of 1601 🔗

Re Dr David McGrogan’s piece.
We will be using facts and evidence in the trials and Inquiries to come, when our leaders and the medical charlatans face Justice.
When they are brought to account my emotion will be happiness.

333044 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to PatrickF, 5, #817 of 1601 🔗

Just two words in response to that Patrick – “Tony Blair”.

333057 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 3, #818 of 1601 🔗

Mine will be satisfaction.

333000 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #819 of 1601 🔗
333021 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to steve_w, 4, #820 of 1601 🔗

Socialists. They get more ‘free’ money?

(I was born in Liverpool).

333142 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steve_w, #821 of 1601 🔗

Virtue signalling on a city/country scale

333855 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to steve_w, #822 of 1601 🔗

Distractions from the Mayor getting his collar felt ? 🙂

333008 Steeve, 1, #823 of 1601 🔗

We live to fight another day! We have dodged Covid for nearly 10 months.

On the other side of the trenches I heard this:

“If you are a film buff, book worm, puzzler, gamer, quizzer, downloader, music lover, binge watcher, baker, diyer, home worker, virtual gym goer, karaoke singer or creative crafter then specsavers would like to invite you for an eye test”

333009 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 24, #824 of 1601 🔗

I agree with supporting local business and not adding to the Bezos billions but recently had an experience that makes me wonder. Went to a local convenience store, which of course has it’s duty ‘Covid Marshall’. Having been told when I could enter I then made the cardinal mistake of returning back up an aisle to pick something up and was shouted at ‘don’t you understand the danger’. Of course I decided to give the Sturmbanfuhrer my purchases and just walk out but he refused as they had been ‘contaminated’.

Doesn’t make supporting local business easy or pleasant!

333016 ▶▶ Paul, replying to eastender53, 13, #825 of 1601 🔗

Bizarrely it’s the small businesses that are the most rabid covidians,they are actively aiding their own demise,I just cannot fathom it.

333020 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 13, #826 of 1601 🔗

That’s what I’ve found here. And not only are they the most “rabid”, they seem to relish in it by posting videos about how ‘safe’ (i.e. unwelcoming) they are. Weird.

333025 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Paul, 6, #827 of 1601 🔗

I think it’s the fear of being fined, or closed by a covid marshal. Larger companies will have had teams of lawyers go through the guidance.
But also a vertue signalling element and fear of losing what customers they have left if they don’t comply. Not easy to swim against the tide.

333035 ▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Wolver, 6, #828 of 1601 🔗

Point taken but shouting across a quiet shop to someone moving a few feet (I’m of an age) against an arrow stuck on the floor whilst clearly relishing the power is going further than not swimming against the tide, it’s actively surfing it.

333039 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to eastender53, 7, #829 of 1601 🔗

I agree. Even if you sign up to the bollocks (which clearly I don’t), as I’ve said before, you can be polite about it.

333043 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to kh1485, #830 of 1601 🔗

Correct!

333068 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to kh1485, 2, #831 of 1601 🔗

Yeah I agree. But in their mind, by walking the wrong way eastender was killing people. Pure psychosis.

333080 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Wolver, 5, #832 of 1601 🔗

Sorry, beg to differ. I think they’re loving this – the opportunity to wield a bit of power.

333089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to kh1485, 3, #833 of 1601 🔗

No need to be sorry! But I would also argue that enjoying wielding power over others to that extreme is also a form of mental illness.

333054 ▶▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to eastender53, 6, #834 of 1601 🔗

I agree you shouldn’t be treated that way, but the government and msm have done a really good job in brainwashing people. There’s so much behaviour out there that pure psychosis. Walked past a woman the other day day with a facemask on, we were halfway up a steep cliff on the SW coast path. Noone else in sight, that is a mental illness.

333070 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Wolver, 4, #835 of 1601 🔗

You are absolutely correct. My fear is it will poison me and I’ll end up baying for these people to be denounced as ‘collaborators’ when the Tribunals start. I consider myself pretty rational!

333149 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to eastender53, 3, #836 of 1601 🔗

Join the crowd. I’ve actually moved towards supporting the re-introduction of capital punishment (at least for those guilty of crimes against humanity), even though I’ve been against it for years. I’m being radicalised by the shitshow!

I can understand the Reign of Terror now, as well as those who killed dictators like Ceaușescu and Gaddafi after their overthrow.

333097 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Paul, 12, #837 of 1601 🔗

I’ve been distributing copies of The (free) Lightpaper in my local area in N Wales over the past two months. I’ve been focusing on local, small, independent high street businesses (difficult with Tier 4 lockdowns in place) in the hope that they will accept multiple copies to make available for their customers.

The Welsh/English owned businesses have, almost without exception, made me work hard to explain why they might wish to even read the paper and, even then, in spite of my diplomatic and deliberately objective approach many have declared that they are not interested, some even being aggressive in their refusal.

Conversely, the ‘foreign’ owned businesses have immediately welcomed me with friendliness and gratitude for recognising the impact on their business and trying to do something about it; they have gladly taken dozens of copies of the paper. From discussing the salient issues, it is also evident to me that the owners have a broad grasp of the scientific issues and inconsistencies in the Government and media propaganda. Such businesses in my area are largely ethnically Indian, Turkish and Romanian. Their customers are of all ethnicities so these businesses can be an excellent conduit for spreading information.

333087 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to eastender53, 1, #838 of 1601 🔗

My local shop is fine – I’ve been doing all my shopping there except a once a month trip to Morrisons (also not fanatic) to buy stuff the small local shop don’t have.

333098 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #839 of 1601 🔗

Some are and always will be. You’ll remember that and no doubt spread the word. Equally those that are unpleasant should be made known.

333010 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 16, #840 of 1601 🔗

Worth repeating Karenovirus’s reply to Leggy yesterday, about why the NHS wouldn’t have increased its adult critical care bed capacity by now, to meet current needs (ie maintaining the ‘overwhelmed’ scare story):

That’s exactly the reason why. It’s the excuse they will use to impose national tier 5 as the price for reopening the schools in just over a weeks time.
These pigs are so predictable.

Sorcery!!

333082 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Sam Vimes, #841 of 1601 🔗

I believe it has by 20% & I know that here in Worcester we have added beds in the last few years. But they need to be staffed and even with the additions we still have one of the lowest pro rata levels of critical care beds in Europe (Sweden less than us).

333014 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 3, #842 of 1601 🔗

Well, well…. 542,000 cases counted twice! Who’d have thunk it 🤔

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1345697905479475200?s=19

333067 ▶▶ leggy, replying to smileymiley, #843 of 1601 🔗

I can’t get my head around that. How have they been counted twice?

333236 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to smileymiley, 1, #844 of 1601 🔗

“Tweet not available.”

333252 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to smileymiley, 1, #845 of 1601 🔗

That tweet is ‘unavailable’

333858 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to smileymiley, #846 of 1601 🔗

Censored?

333018 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 33, #847 of 1601 🔗

I am somewhat puzzled over Dr McGrogans take on things.

This has never been about debate. It has never been about science or rationalism or any of those things.

The govt were already employing behavioural scientists and discussing techniques to allow them to get their ‘message’ into the people as early as March. They were clearly not interest in debating anything. The knew what they were trying to sell and they used psychological warfare on the people to sell it. Hence SPI-B an the rest.

It is a sign of Stockholm Syndrome where you start blaming yourself for ‘your’ failure to get your desired affect. Like an abuse relationship where the woman say blames herself for her husband beating her up. ‘If only I hadn’t overcooked the broccoli he wouldn’t have hit me’. Blaming LS for the govt’s failure to listen to the rational arguments in the same mindset.

Why would the govt have needed to employ behavioural scientists in March if their agenda wasn’t clear? It suggests that even then it was clear they knew where they wanted to go and no evidence since has changed that perspective. From the second wave to full lockdown via the casedemic it has all been choreographed to perfection with no doubt soon the outside mask mandate and immunity passports coming along soon.

Against such a wave of propaganda and tyranny it was never possible for ordinary rational points of view to be able to counteract the shrill voices of the Mail, Guardian and the BBC and the huge weight of propaganda employed by these organisations. If this wasn’t the message the govt wanted they did nothing to stop it.

This was why it was designed that way because the govt and the powers that be didn’t want debate. They wanted to get us to where they intend even if as yet that is not fully clear.

333031 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #848 of 1601 🔗

yes, since they decided to lock us down, everyone went into propaganda mode. Hard to fight against. Eventually the data will show what the truth is and there will be a new narrative but one which the decision makers find hard to accept. Which is why we need new decision makers

Chairman Mao probably thought killing all the sparrows in China was still a good idea long after everyone else

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign

333049 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 7, #849 of 1601 🔗

Very true.The government have had an agenda from the start.Logic,facts reason will have no effect because the virus is not the reason for the agenda but the pretext.
The public have been bombarded and manipulated from the start.When restrictions were eased in the summer and people began to mix and question the narrative,there seemed to be growing skepticism,but since the reintroduction of lockdowns etc and the cranking up of the propaganda machine plus the alienation of people one from another the Government narrative seems to have grown stronger.

333101 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #850 of 1601 🔗

Yes agree. I think the plan was very much to get to Sept / Oct when the weather changes and colds and flu begin to ramp up that they could use this then as the mythical second wave. On top of that flu has gone completely off the radar and the lie of the PCR test has been driving us all into lockdown again.

Virus’ don’t travel in waves. We are now in the situation we are because of the PCR / casedemic lie and the ramping up of the propaganda machine. The media and govt working in ‘lockstep’ to get us where we are – in the middle of the cold and flu season with deaths from such now likely being attributed as covid deaths.

It was very interesting to see Wuhan over Christmas and New year where life has been back to normal for some time. No one is asking questions of why this is in the UK / western media. It is never mentioned also about China not actually locking down either but the people are totally gripped by the fear porn so the govt has us where they want us.

333079 ▶▶ openQuestioner, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 7, #851 of 1601 🔗

Yes very much agree. I met lots who are fearful and think the vaccine is needed to save us but there is also a middle group that don’t believe in the vaccine or the lockdown but think it’s all been through buffoonery and incompetence. Their strategy is let the vaccine be given to all that want it and then we can go back to normal. These are the people we need to come to terms with the fact this was planned from the start and no it won’t end by spring.

333215 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #852 of 1601 🔗

I agree

333023 steve_w, 3, #853 of 1601 🔗

if you look at the deaths ‘with’ covid (within 28 days of a +ve test)

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom

you see the ‘deaths’ have similar totals in first and second wave

of course excess deaths were significant in first wave and nothing of note now

I suppose this is when you keep testing people in hospitals or cares homes over and over again then eventually they will test positive (due to FP) and go down as a covid death

333027 Binra, 3, #854 of 1601 🔗

The point of a clear account of known facts is to hold a point of reference for those who appreciate them. NOT as a propaganda weapon on the same level as manipulative deceits – which is shoving the truth into the old wine bottle of control agenda.

The need I see is not to morally vilify the propagandistic deceits or distortions of others (as if to thereby claim virtue), but to grow and share in an education for the vigilance to the means and ways of such deceits or indeed mutually reinforcing and polarised ‘self-illusions’.

Almost ALL response to the covid narrative is captured within its frame – which rests on an ongoing narrative that gives priority, funding and control to a pharmaceutical ‘Economy-driver’ within a network of other interlocking or indeed lockstepped ‘ Economy driving’ narratives.

The modelling of ideas and ideals on which our ‘world’ runs is not true – not based in truth and unworkable except in a short term at great burden of sacrifice and expense.
the controllers idea of sustainability is the REVERSE of true as the reset to a deeper level of limitation and control in which the dispossession of Consciousness is effected as a state of collectivise mind capture. You will not be ‘Happy’ just because your neural and biological responses are hardwired to a new normal in which you not only do not have to think, but may not be able to find the capacity to think. This process is not new, but ongoing. This is a Time of Choice as to your consent. Just because the framing is set as an ‘offer you cant refuse’, does not mean you cannot look at the framing instead of being framed in evils and succumbing to the seemingly lesser.
Fear will always interject to deny a real choice unless bring the fear itself to awareness. That is a real choice. Fear denied will go to ‘mind’ and mask over to drive its maker as a tyrannous or coercive ‘choice’. We seek protection from hurt feelings. This is not wrong, but it is not a stage to become stuck in and infantilised and tantrum driven.

333045 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 9, #855 of 1601 🔗

One thing they haven’t tried yet, is attempting to stop people coming into the country or like NZ a proper isolation procedure. Meanwhile they make life hell for the inhabitants.

333052 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to DanClarke, 6, #856 of 1601 🔗

Like pretty much everything else it would be a waste of time at this stage. That hasn’t stopped them though I suppose.

333059 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to DanClarke, 7, #857 of 1601 🔗

Yes I was amazed that in the early days and weeks of lockdown flightradar 24 continued to show literally hundreds of flights mostly inbound to heathrow from all over the world including China! Not sure of passenger numbers but there must’ve been enough on board to make it pay.

333073 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 3, #858 of 1601 🔗

Flights at Heathrow have to be maintained otherwise the airlines lose their slots.this would have been the case at the start of lockdown although this has since changed.
There were very few people travelling in at the start of lockdown although fights from China,Italy and other hotspots were allowed in with no checks on passengers until the quarantine system was brought into operation in June.

333077 ▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to jonathan Palmer, #859 of 1601 🔗

I see, thankyou.

333078 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to jonathan Palmer, #860 of 1601 🔗

Correct. I was working at the airport at the time and it was very deserted. Most passengers seemed to be travelling out of the country on repatriation flights. I remember very clearly the eerily empty arrivals halls.

There was still a reasonable amount of freight being carried too.

I can’t remember exactly when they suspended the slot rules.

333118 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to DanClarke, 2, #861 of 1601 🔗

Don’t give them ideas – some of us are getting ready to take a long holiday.

333120 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to DanClarke, 1, #862 of 1601 🔗

It wouldn’t make sense because prevalence is not higher elsewhere, and they’re not ready to obviously introduce a two-tier travel system yet.

333056 Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 2, #863 of 1601 🔗
333061 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 3, #864 of 1601 🔗

They are antiantibody.
Does that mean we can all keep our bodies?

333066 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Annie, 1, #865 of 1601 🔗

Unless you are a nobody!

333141 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Annie, 2, #866 of 1601 🔗

Only with the frequent topical application of antisceptics.

333076 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 1, #867 of 1601 🔗

from my limited understanding antibody testing is pointless as not having them doesn’t mean you are not immune;

  1. most people’s immune systems don’t need to generate antibodies to fight off the virus, their immune system can sort the job out without,
  2. antibodies don’t hang around long, but leave an immunity memory for future use if required.
333211 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 3, #868 of 1601 🔗

It didn’t serve any purpose related to perpetuating the narrative

Govt actions are not dictated by public health concerns, but by the needs of political theatre

333071 openQuestioner, replying to openQuestioner, 9, #869 of 1601 🔗

I totally agree with ‘The Failed Strategy of Lockdown Sceptics: We Appealed to Reason, not Emotion’ BUT like a small martial artist using a bigger opponent’s weight against them I think we can use all this emotional capital built up by the propaganda to our advantage. We need to use that emotional response to Covid, and ask how could anyone morally withhold treatment?
How angry are the public going to be when they find out instead of a vaccine being the only way, that there are numerous treatments that have been suppressed.

Here’s just a few:
Ivermectin – dr Pierre Kory is pleading in the US Senate for its accepted use. https://youtu.be/YgOAaLmoa68

Dr. Richard Bartlette getting great recoveries with Budesonide a nebuliser steroid used for asthma.
https://youtu.be/205Unk4TQXI

And dare I mention HCQ, with dr Didier Raoult in France and Dr. Vladimir Zelenko in the us getting impressive and documented results.

Dr Brownstein had many patient testimonials videos of over coming covid with nebulised Lugol’s iodine and nebulised (diluted) hydrogen peroxide until the medical board in his state made him remove them and shut down all his media channels.

Then there intravenous vitamin c and intravenous ozone

And nutrition, fresh air and sunlight: plenty of vit c, vit d and zinc.

333090 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 4, #871 of 1601 🔗

Oh and UV Light.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/09/22/national/japan-first-uv-lamp-kills-coronavirus/

It does seem this virus is particularly weak and can be combatted by many
‘non profitable for big pharma’
interventions.

333123 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Jonny S., 4, #872 of 1601 🔗

So presumably sunlight has an effect as well? I have said before that it is my irrational unscientific belief that this thing will fade away as the light quality increases from now onwards. Perhaps there is after all some science behind my faith in sunlight.

333181 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #873 of 1601 🔗

Absolutely. Sunlight exposure is the primary natural source of Vit D.
At this time of year, the sun simply doesn’t get high enough in the sky.

All the lockdown measures adversely affect the immune system.

333218 ▶▶▶ openQuestioner, replying to Jonny S., #874 of 1601 🔗

I take it everyday in the form of Lugol’s solution following dr Brownstein’s protocol, amazing stuff!!

333154 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to openQuestioner, 2, #875 of 1601 🔗

Plus the WHO for all they are worth have confirmed effectiveness in prelim review:

https://swprs.org/who-preliminary-review-confirms-ivermectin-effectiveness/

333175 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to openQuestioner, 4, #876 of 1601 🔗

Agree with all the above.
Only realised recently the huge importance of Vit D.
Most of the population are deficient.
Even more so those of Asian or African origin, due to darker skin being less able to absorb Vit D from sunlight.
I believe the seasonality of Covid (and all respiratory illness) is directly related to deficiency in Vit D being greater in the winter months.
The Ivor Cummins video with three veteran UK physicians is so enlightening and worth a full view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD_96ybTMNE

If only the lockdown zealots knew that Vit D alone, is probably more effective than the approved ‘solution’.

333072 Jane C in France, replying to Jane C in France, 6, #877 of 1601 🔗

I don’t know exactly what Karol Sikura said about a second wave, but Professor Didier Raoult in France has also been excoriated and accused of charlatanism for denying in the summer the possibility of a second wave in winter. He insists he did not make a mistake. What we have been seeing since autumn is not a second wave but a new wave hence a different illness. The proof is that at least fifteen people at Raoult’s infectious disease clinic in Marseilles who were infected in spring have been infected again in autumn. Covid has become endemic like the flu. Now I’m going to see if I can post this since Jane in France no longer seems to work.

333133 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Jane C in France, 1, #878 of 1601 🔗

Why aren’t SAGE/ NF held to these same standards of veracity?

333164 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Jane C in France, 7, #879 of 1601 🔗

There is no 2nd wave. All cause mortality figures are close to normal for the time of year. If there was a surge in Covid or a variant there would be a definite spike in deaths. The increase in Covid is a decrease of counting other causes of death. We are seeing Covid being put on certificates in place of other respiratory and heart related diseases.

333085 JayBee, #880 of 1601 🔗

I think the article on using facts vs. emotion is generally correct, but wrong with regard to Covid.
We appealed to emotion from the start, e.g. when referring to the additional deaths in the 3rd world, suicides, domestic abuses, additional cancer deaths etc., but to no avail, particularly not with the liberal do-gooders.
Maybe we didn’t supply enough pictures, but then, they would have been censored or ignored anyway.
You can neither reason, nor appeal to emotion with a cult/slash member of a cult, that’s the problem here.
And it has become a cult, because of its ruthless emotional and factual framing, the, temporary, financial insulation of the vast majority of its members and either the ignorance of the eventual disastrous effects this temporary financial insulation will eventually result in for everyone, or the actual desire for those disastrous effects.
In the latter group, there are mainly the left/green commentariat and strong believers and the dumbed down genZ that can’t see themselves making progress and/or gaining assets in the current/prior setup, in thr former, there’s the dumbed down politicians, civil servants, pensioners and all the corporate enablers and
temporary beneficiaries.
Like any cult before, it will eventually (only) end through a
catastrophe and die.
Those catastrophes will be hyperinflation, state bankrupcy, Great Depression etc. and the medical ones, in particular the vaccine related ones.
Our task was and is just to warn and provoke, in order to still try to prevent this/the worst from happening, which is more and more futile, but also to try to get harmed the least possible personally, financially and medically, from these catastrophes until and when they
occur, as they surely will.

333086 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 7, #881 of 1601 🔗

Kent “surge” over – predictions

The last 4 days stats clearly show Kent, where the new varient’ may have started, has recorded sharp declines in cases.

Not the rest of the South East.
However, this shows:

The new variant has a life cycle of about 8 weeks and will naturally fall away whatever we do
The lockdown across the South East since before Christmas has had little effect compared to the life cycle of the new variant
Kent schools and hospitals coped with the worst of it before the tier 4 measures
The same pattern will spread throughout the south east, with cases falling away in the same order than they spread
Tier 4 will have little effect, except possibly prolonging things a little

Well, I could be wrong. But if this trend continues, evidence to challenge lockdown and tiers effectiveness will grow. Restrictions, applied equally across the South East, don’t seem to have affected the data in different areas much at all, otherwise the trends would be uniform.

333103 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FrankiiB, 10, #882 of 1601 🔗

We have a government who is reluctant to cede any power back to the people that they stole from us. People need to say No More! However that’s unlikely at present as we have become a nation of chicken hearted bedwetters.

333146 ▶▶ Snarly, replying to FrankiiB, 1, #883 of 1601 🔗

I think you are right. In East Sussex, Hastings and Rother (where I live) are a bit behind most of Kent and peaked later. Cases there have now started to decline, but further west in Eastbourne and Brighton, Worthing they are still rising.

333200 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to FrankiiB, 1, #884 of 1601 🔗

Ahh but headlines today say that it is now going to run rampant in the North!!

333212 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #885 of 1601 🔗

And then the South again, and then the North again.

333265 ▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #886 of 1601 🔗

It has to as Yorkshire is in Tier 3 with flatlining cases and that is most certainly NOT allowed

333088 wendy, replying to wendy, 16, #887 of 1601 🔗

People have likely posted this already but I don’t agree that we haven’t been emotional enough and have focussed only on data.

Everyday when I read the comments on LS I am moved to tears by someone’s situation. My feeling is that it is because of the pain, sadness and destruction that we have come together to fight this and to support each other.

And LS printed the dedication To The Fallen, giving it a prime slot. For myself without LS and everyone here I don’t think I would have got through to here with all this.

Data also seems the only way to show a more rational argument and I feel is needed to cut through the fear making.

333122 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to wendy, 4, #888 of 1601 🔗

I agree: the ‘moral truth’ is based on profoundly immoral lies and ‘if you can’t beat them, join them’ would not appear to be an appropriate strategy for a return to sanity. We need to keep pushing the data which clearly show the true extent of the folly and not be distracted by the emotional hype which must eventually succumb to objective analysis. The longer the delay, the greater the vindication when the butcher’s bill becomes indisputable.

333091 Staincliffe, replying to Staincliffe, 10, #889 of 1601 🔗

Regarding the lack of impact of the LS message, I wonder if some explanation might be the timescale involved. There is a psychological phenomenon (maybe other contributors can help here) whereby many people respond more readily to short term needs even though the response causes a much worse longer term impact (teaser loans for example). The grants, furloughing and WFH have shielded many from the immediate economic impact so far. This is similar to the delayed gratification experiment that is said to be a good predictor of future life success in children. The government’s team of behavioural ‘scientists’ have a good grasp of this I’m sure and know which buttons to press to get the result they want across as much of the bell curve as needed.
This answers the question of how but doesn’t however answer the obvious questions of why and cui bono?

333105 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Staincliffe, 4, #890 of 1601 🔗

They used fear, fear and more fear. Then they used tactics to bully people and get them to conform. Any that don’t, like us, can then be called murdering deviants against society.

333110 ▶▶▶ number 6, replying to wendy, 13, #891 of 1601 🔗

I am not a religious person, if anything an agnostic atheist, but now I am sensing the emergence of Pure Evil. This became apparent in the demonisation of Children, firstly in the disgusting mantra of “Don’t Kill Granny”, and recently perverse idea that Children need to be avoided like “The Plague” – pun intended!
I have actual recent personal evidence of this corrosive belief when my Wife was informed by an employer/friend that she’d need to self isolate after seeing our grandchildren, or indeed any others, for the mandatory 10 Days !!!! I cannot blame the person who said this as the belief is being actively propagated by the likes of the so called Teaching Unions and the Evil Cabal that infects institutions like Imperial College London. The Covid safe classroom with the kids in perplex boxes plus masks etc. etc. Reminds one of John Wyndham’s novel “The Midwich Cuckoos” (Film – The Village of the Dammed)

PS: Is it possible that Neil Ferguson et al. think that the Covid 2 is actually an “Alien” species that is threatening our very existence ? There is a hypothesis on a similar theme from the Buckingham Centre for Astrobiology (BCAB) headed by Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe, but his idea of “Panspermia” emphatically states that any biological material from space would be of our “Species” – merely genetic updates.

PPS: I N FULL AGREEMENT WITH Dr David McGrogan’s ARTICLE

333143 ▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to number 6, 3, #892 of 1601 🔗

I don’t think the virus is an alien but I’m not too sure about your man Ferguson

333603 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to TC, #893 of 1601 🔗

A man with bum fluff for a beard, who looks as though he’s been sucking on lemons.

DavidC

333198 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to number 6, 10, #894 of 1601 🔗

Just a question I am sure I read a quote either on here in the past few days or on an MSM website that Ferguson had just predicted 9bn in the world would have the virus by end of February 2021. As far as I am aware, there are only 8bn people in the world. Wonderful, unassailable mathematical modelling at its best!!

333273 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Jo Dominich, #895 of 1601 🔗

He’s probably calculated that 10billion at least have had it in the UK.

333092 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #896 of 1601 🔗

Bbc Adrian Childs Radio 5 programme has guest on saying there are wards of children with covid. First world war babies were on bayonets – except they weren’t.
Apparently the bbc tweets re wards has had 2.2 million retweets. Fear spreads, however people might decide to wonder where are the pictures of the establiment celebrity envoy publicity stunt visit that must accompany news of such wards.

333115 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Basics, 5, #897 of 1601 🔗

It’s the perfect lie. “We can’t let you in to verify it because we’d literally be killing people if we did. Think of the chiiiilldren.”

333125 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Liam, 1, #898 of 1601 🔗

Exactly, add to that privacy laws and the fact you’re dealing with children.

333145 ▶▶ mj, replying to Basics, 6, #899 of 1601 🔗

so where is the wonderful BBC fact checker .. missing in action? .. Or may be just the wrong sort of fact

333606 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to mj, #900 of 1601 🔗

Marianna Spring – aged 13 3/4…

DavidC

333150 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Basics, 5, #901 of 1601 🔗

I believe that accusation has been challenged by a NHS spokesperson.

333199 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Basics, 2, #902 of 1601 🔗

Refuted by the Royal College of Paeds.
https://www.rcpch.ac.uk/news-events/news/rcpch-responds-media-reports-increased-admissions-children-young-people-covid-19

Maybe the stupid people who are perpetrating this lie should be given their Warholian 15 minutes and made to justify their assertions on prime time, mainstream media. Let’s have a good interviewer rip them to shreds. (That really does sound like a totalitarian solution to the problem!)

333096 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #903 of 1601 🔗

Regarding Zulu – I have the theme tune as my ring tone. Very satisfying, especially when someone gets upset.

333140 ▶▶ TC, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #904 of 1601 🔗

Maybe the Welsh government should watch it – Men of Harlech and all that.

333102 mj, replying to mj, 4, #905 of 1601 🔗

In 2019 BBC made a drama series called “ Years and Years ” written by Russell T Davis (the guy that made Doctor Who so woke). It follows a family over the next 10 years through domestic and international catastrophes . I have just watched it … and it has so many parallels to what is happening now and where the country is going.
If you havent seen it it is worth watching.- it is on iplayer

333168 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to mj, 3, #906 of 1601 🔗

I’ve seen it, great series.

Personally I really liked Doctor Who under Russell T Davies, it’s the current showrunner (Chris Chibnall) who has made it so unwatchable.

333258 ▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Poppy, 1, #907 of 1601 🔗

I’ll just say Jodie Whittaker would be towards the bottom of my Best Doctor Who list

333936 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to EllGee, #908 of 1601 🔗

I couldn`t watch it when she started. It was woke shite.

333107 Tee Ell, 5, #909 of 1601 🔗

“Hey, teachers, don’t leave those kids alone” – Ofsted Head

333108 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 4, #910 of 1601 🔗

I recently made a facetious remark about building camps. Well whaddaya know?:

https://www.rt.com/usa/511357-new-york-covid-detention-health-bill/

333136 ▶▶ TC, replying to George Mc, 2, #911 of 1601 🔗

60 days,90 days?
Wonder what the large Jewish population of NY will make of that?
Still, a country that had a colour bar until the 60’/70s in some states and interned loyal Japanese Americans (in contrast to the German americans) after Pearl Harbour.
I would like to think that bill will not move forward but nowadays, I’m not too sure.
Would you have a number in that camp or just a yellow badge?

333112 janejakobs, replying to janejakobs, 25, #912 of 1601 🔗

I think Dr David McGrogan’s assessment is far too simplistic. This isn’t about reason versus emotion at all. People are not going to respond to emotional arguments from the lockdown skeptic camp any more than they will respond to reason. People are acting out of self preservation. Not self preservation vis a vis the virus, but self preservation vis a vis social standing, their worldview, their faith in authority and their self respect in the community.

Our society now is very conformist. There is a lot to be gained for conforming; money, status, a sense of security. There is a lot to be lost in seeing through the madness: you deal with isolation, harassment, indignities, loss of friends and trust in almost everything we trust in. This is the dilemma. And the majority of humans will respond to it by picking the convenient side that serves them well. They’ll dig their ostrich heads in the sand. And then they will post-hac rationalize their choice by looking for justifications in reason and emotion. But you’ll notice they will ignore all pleas to empathy if it’s not serving their serve preservation instinct. Because they aren’t really feeling. They have hardened hearts and contrive themselves into melodramatic excessive self deceptions of empathy which are really just narcissist and self serving.

The core of the problem, if we should diagnose it, is that there is so much to be gained from conforming and so much to be lost when standing up to power. As long as this remains the imbalance, few will bother. Even the good ones who are really not sheep’s at all will, if they can, often try to look the other way. This leaves very few of us here.

333209 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to janejakobs, 3, #913 of 1601 🔗

Depressingly I think you are right. Any emotional appeal to the zealots is generally met with placing the blame for all of the awful things happening because of the lockdowns solely on the virus itself, not on the lockdowns

333229 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to janejakobs, 3, #914 of 1601 🔗

You are so right! I wrote something similar just now before reading your post (great minds and all). I added to it by mentioning the financial incentive anyone who works directly or indirectly for the government has to go along with the insanity.

333113 Liam, replying to Liam, 50, #915 of 1601 🔗

Just took the dog for a walk around the block and there were three people having one of those awful distanced doorstep chats outside a house. One stupid looking middle aged harridan with a voice like a foghorn was blaring out: “We wouldn’t need the vaccine if everyone did as they were told like the Chinese.”

She seemed very pleased by her own piercing analysis of the situation.

333121 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Liam, 31, #916 of 1601 🔗

“We wouldn’t need the vaccine if everyone did as they were told like the Chinese.”

She should do us all a favour a move there then! More seriously, do hate the way people have been socially engineered to turn on/blame each other.

333126 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Wolver, 11, #917 of 1601 🔗

It struck me that if she really believed what she says she wouldn’t have left her own house to shout her opinions to a neighbour at the top of her voice from a couple of feet away.

333127 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Liam, 20, #918 of 1601 🔗

Morons are always so sure of themselves, aren’t they?

333130 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #919 of 1601 🔗

You could sit them down for a month and tell them facts, and you’d have wasted a month.

333132 ▶▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #920 of 1601 🔗

But she was being sensible, it’s others that are being reckless.

333137 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Wolver, 5, #921 of 1601 🔗

Yes, those other, dirty people.

333151 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Liam, 7, #922 of 1601 🔗

Reminds me of the masked morons I saw on a train last September, talking loudly and about once every minute one of them would go HAHAHAHAHA! In the unlikely event that he was infected the virus must have been spraying out in all directions around the mask.

333170 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Wolver, 4, #923 of 1601 🔗

Classic divide and rule isn’t it. Actually, it’s gone beyond classic, it’s now some kind of super divide and rule. Not only with opposing views, but a distrust of people even with the same views.

333208 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Wolver, 3, #924 of 1601 🔗

Would the Chinese want her?

333315 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Wolver, 2, #925 of 1601 🔗

“We wouldn’t need the vaccine if everyone did as they were told like the Chinese.”

Hmmn.. sounds like something the Rockefeller Foundation would say in the 2010 Lock-step document..

333124 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Liam, 18, #926 of 1601 🔗

Ha, ha. I’ve worked in China and most Chinese disobey rules as much as possible!

333129 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Tom in Scotland, 7, #927 of 1601 🔗

Not to mention their constant spitting.

333224 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Liam, 12, #928 of 1601 🔗

OMG, yes. I lived in Hong Kong for 2 years and walking was a constant obstacle course trying to avoid all the loogies. After living there I totally understood why so many of these viruses originate in Asia. BTW, I know you Brits will appreciate a reader’s comment in one of our national newspapers the other week with respect to the British variant of Covid. To paraphrase, this person asked why it was racist to refer to Covid as the Wuhan Flu or the Chinese Flu but it’s perfectly OK to talk about the British variant/mutation. Excellent point I thought.

333128 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Liam, 8, #929 of 1601 🔗

We could nail people in their homes, ‘like they do in China’ starting with her, don’t think they bothered to ask if they were going to comply first either

333153 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Liam, 3, #930 of 1601 🔗

I didn’t know that taking your dog out for a walk spread Covid?

333297 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #931 of 1601 🔗

She wasn’t actually talking to me, was standing with her back to me and talking to a neighbour. Could hear her braying half a mile away!

333230 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Liam, 8, #932 of 1601 🔗

The Mrs. and I were out walking in a country lane yesterday and we came across a cottage. In the garden were a group of people, socially distanced, sitting on deckchairs covered with blankets, chatting around a brazier. Temp was about one degree of celsius. We both cracked up laughing!

333131 George L, replying to George L, 41, #933 of 1601 🔗

I’ve gone through lots of posts today re the effectiveness of people on this site and others being able to push back against the current insanity.

I just want to say to people not to get too down about it as what we are up against is probably the most powerful control/propaganda machine ever. It also must be remembered that the machine is preaching to the converted in the vast majority of cases. Easy meat! We are now unfortunately very much a dependence culture, especially the virtual, screen gazing young who have no real concept of individuality/freedom.

We must keep plugging on with everything at our disposal, and the material we use must be tailored to the person you’re talking to. My arguments always start with questions. Do you know the survival rate of this covid thing, do you know how many people die every day normally, and what that works out at in an average year, did you know that the WHO changed the rules on a pandemic from deaths to numbers instead of deaths, did you know exactly the same thing was tried in 2009 with Swine Flu, but failed because it was deemed to be a fake.

I also ask things like.. why was there a universal chant of ‘new normal’ worldwide, why did non medical people like Bill Gates show up at the very beginning saying he wanted to vaccinate the world. Why were they talking about second waves when the alledged pandemic had only just begun.

That’s my twopence-worth for now anyway. I’ve got to get on with some chores..

333135 ▶▶ Liam, replying to George L, 9, #934 of 1601 🔗

Well said.

333206 ▶▶ Julian, replying to George L, #936 of 1601 🔗

Great post

333134 steve_w, 3, #937 of 1601 🔗

last 5 year average daily deaths peaked on 5th Jan

the rise and fall is due to colds and a bit of flu

the rise looks a bit ‘asymptotic’ – until it isn’t

the onset of winter is damp and mild – the worst

Jan and Feb get a bit colder and drier

333138 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 14, #938 of 1601 🔗

I think the article on using facts vs emotion is generally correct, but wrong with regard to Covid.
We appealed to emotion from the start, e.g. when referring to the additional deaths in the 3rd world, suicides, domestic abuses, additional cancer deaths etc., but to no avail, particularly not with the liberal do-gooders.
Maybe we didn’t supply enough pictures, but then, they would have been censored or ignored anyway.
You can neither reason, nor appeal to emotion with a cult/slash member of a cult, that’s the problem here.
And it has become a cult, because of its ruthless emotional and factual framing, the, temporary, financial insulation of the vast majority of its members and either the ignorance of the eventual disastrous effects this temporary financial insulation will eventually result in for everyone, or the actual desire for those disastrous effects.
In the latter group, there are mainly the left/green commentariat and strong believers and the genZ herd that can’t see themselves making progress and/or gaining assets in the current/prior setup, in the former, there’s the politicians, civil servants, pensioners and all the corporate enablers and temporary beneficiaries.
Like any cult before, it will eventually (only) end and cease to exist through a catastrophe.
Those catastrophes will be hyperinflation, state bankrupcy, Great Depression etc. and the medical ones, in particular if vaccine related.
Our task was and is just to warn and provoke, in order to still try to prevent this/the worst from happening, which is more and more futile, but also to try to get harmed the least possible personally, financially and medically, from these catastrophes until and when they
occur.

333152 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to JayBee, 2, #939 of 1601 🔗

3rd world deaths, even if you supply lots of pictures, are just too far away and do not affect us like if the MiL with diabetes and heart failure at the age of 76 of the sister of the husband of your colleague’s neighbour dies.

333204 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JayBee, 4, #940 of 1601 🔗

The enemy have spent about a million times more than we have on propaganda

333210 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JayBee, 16, #941 of 1601 🔗

I think we’re up against two problems. First, despite all the virtue signalling, people are fundamentally selfish (and I don’t necessarily mean that in a bad way) and really only care about themselves and their immediate circle. Whether the deaths from all of this are in the next town or in another country, they don’t care because they are afraid for their own health only. They’ll pretend to care about deaths closer to home because they need to follow the herd and say all the “right” things. Perhaps they even care about protecting the NHS because they’re afraid they’ll need it, whereas the extra million people who die of TB in the developing world, they don’t care about. Same with the 1.5 billion face masks that have already made their way into our oceans. These people don’t really care about the environment if they believe these masks will save their lives. They just continue to bellow about preventing deaths, when they really only mean their death.

The second problem is the high percentage of people who work directly or indirectly for the government. The Upton Sinclair quote says it all: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” Every government employee who is working from home has tens of thousands of reasons to stick with the government on this one. Anyone in the healthcare sector also has every reason to support the government, as do scientists who depend upon government funding. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Most doctors, deep down, know this is absolutely wrong but they will simply not forfeit their careers and livelihoods to speak out. Having said all that, I did find the piece very useful as I need constant reminding as to why facts have ceased to matter. This really is a battle over feelings over facts, but I’d argue it’s also about money.

333261 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #942 of 1601 🔗

Great post. I keep saying this, but there are clear similarities between the Covid hysteria and the First World War – it started off with an ‘all in this together’ and ‘all over by Christmas’ gung-ho attitude, then soon settled into an interminable stalemate because nobody could back down and there were too many people making too much money out of it. In the end it was finished partly by technological change (tanks replacing cavalry) but mainly because the majority of participants (particularly Germany) simply ran out of money and resources.

333307 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Cranmer, 2, #943 of 1601 🔗

I’ve done extensive research over many years on WW1. The planning for it started in 1895, and included British Royalty, Rothschild bank, Oxbridge alumini etc. Newspaper owners and prominent authors were responsible for the propaganda of the day.. ie.. convincing the population that the evil Germans were planning invasion.

There’s always got to be a bogey man.. same as it ever was.

333268 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to JayBee, 2, #944 of 1601 🔗

The MSM love a crisis. We just have to give them a bigger crisis.

333139 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 10, #945 of 1601 🔗

BBC SCOTLAND MAIN “BUSINESS” CORRESPONDENT GIVES HIS SUMMARY OF THE YEAR 2020:

“Despite a very tough year, much has been positive.”

To summarise, despite the mass unemployment to come alongside huge public, business and private debt, we should rejoice at spending even more time in our private country homes to work, do diy, eat takeaways (grow even fatter) and consume even more social media. On the limited occasions we do leave our home (replacing our tartan pyjamas), we should first consult with the scottish government on what we can and cannot do as only they are now able to choose winners in the game of life!

Yes, much to be positive, dunderhead!

2020 divided by 10 – BBC News

333155 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to tony rattray, 4, #946 of 1601 🔗

We should be happy that our leaders knew to follow the science.

Science that led Scotland to have a worse result than Sweden and at far greater cost, economically and societally.

We can console ourselves that had we not enacted all this extra damage then things would have been far worse. Just look at how much worse Sweden are…

333163 John P, replying to John P, 39, #947 of 1601 🔗

Peter Hitchens on twitter:

“I’ll say it again. I sense the approach of a strong wave of ‘blood on your hands’ denunciations of dissenters in the weeks to come. Dissent is the only limit on Johnson’s power to close down our lives. I think sceptics must all be prepared to take some hard pounding.”

Laurence Fox (in answer) :

“Ready”

333167 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to John P, 12, #948 of 1601 🔗

We can take it,BRING IT ON!!!!!

333193 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #949 of 1601 🔗

And how!

333324 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Jo Dominich, #950 of 1601 🔗

STAND FIRM.

333176 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to John P, 15, #951 of 1601 🔗

The blood works both ways, the dead and dying from other serious causes need a voice asap, Covid is not the be all and end all.

333178 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to John P, 4, #952 of 1601 🔗

I read with disgust that Toby was the victim of one particularly nasty one:

https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/1345731203278774280

333227 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to John P, 6, #953 of 1601 🔗

The modern day equivalent of “burn the witches” or the Spanish Inquisition against heretics.

333333 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to John P, 3, #954 of 1601 🔗

Would just love them to try..Great times ahead..

333166 Janette, 2, #955 of 1601 🔗

Please watch interview with Dolores Cahill on Brand New Tube on the vaccine.

333172 Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 11, #956 of 1601 🔗

She needs help! The mental fallout from this is going to be huge:

https://twitter.com/Celery1111/status/1345629299198590982?s=20

333174 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 1, #957 of 1601 🔗

I thought that was a JP skit …

333192 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 8, #958 of 1601 🔗

I feel sorry for her – this is what the media and instruments of governments have done. Psychological abuse on a hitherto unseen scale.

333216 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to leggy, 5, #959 of 1601 🔗

Yep, really scary stuff. To live life in that much fear must be horrible.

Going to be difficult to get people to realise they’ve been manipulated, when its that set in.

333243 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Wolver, #960 of 1601 🔗

Reminded me of the woman who freaked out in Bart’s museum.

333291 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Wolver, 2, #961 of 1601 🔗

And living with that kind of fear raises your cortisol levels and depresses your immune system. A double-whammy of bad.

333214 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 2, #962 of 1601 🔗

That’s one of the worst I’ve see or heard of. Crying because of a lack of SD

333266 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #963 of 1601 🔗

On the plus side, if she’s so bothered about physical proximity to another human being she probably won’t be passing her stupid-gene on to the next generation.

333353 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 2, #964 of 1601 🔗

Her healthy life is over. Permanent mental illness.

333399 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 3, #965 of 1601 🔗

Must be the lack of oxygen getting to her brain.

I was just thinking, this time last year my family and I were sitting in the pub having a post new year drink.

If somebody had told us that people would be walking around wearing masks* and acting like this I would of had them sent to the loony bin, now it’s people not wearing masks are more likely to end up in the gulag.

*Just to compound the insanity yesterday I witnessed a small child being pushed in a buggy wearing a mask. For a start what bastards are making masks for 3 year olds??

333173 Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 3, #966 of 1601 🔗
333190 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), #967 of 1601 🔗

Do you agree with the Belgian Dr. John Denis that there could be nanobots in the vaccine that could be used to control you via your mobile phone and the 5G network?

333301 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #968 of 1601 🔗

Uh let me think about that for a nano second… no I don’t.

333447 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Tee Ell, 1, #969 of 1601 🔗

Nope

333179 Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, 2, #970 of 1601 🔗

Has anyone else received The FSU lapel pin badge , I haven’t worn mine due to it looking similar to to the “BLM thing” & I can’t have anyone thinking that of me !..

333367 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Freddy Boy, #971 of 1601 🔗

My kids said that when I opened it – tbh I would never have noticed as I take no notice whatsoever of anything BLM

333183 Nobody2021, 21, #972 of 1601 🔗

Imagine if every COVID death was brought to court as a murder case.

The prosecution brings in hundreds of suspects each time and claims that they are all guilty.

Your honour, Mr Jones in Aberdeen did not wear a mask on numerous occasions. He could clearly be guilty of Mrs Jane dying in Cornwall despite never leaving his city.

This is the case that is being tried every day in the court of public opinion.

333184 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 28, #973 of 1601 🔗

Greetings from the borderlands of Gulag Drakeford, where I return with glad tidings from a wander along our local canal. Lots of folk with similar ideas, with friends both two legged and four legged accompanying them. Folks fed the ducks, smiled back and said hello if you did the same to them. Some even stopped to chat, and let their dog get some attention. Not a single nappy was observed during the entire hour

It was almost possible to forget we are in the middle of a pandemic.

Finally, I am noticing a tendancy at last amongst comments in the DM (I know, I’m sorry) , that the most popular comments are from whose speaking out against the restrictions. My comment on the story yesterday about “sledge wielding” law breakers in the Brecon Beacons had nearly 600 likes as did the next best. It is a slow war, but little victories.

333248 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richy_m_99, 11, #974 of 1601 🔗

I see some little victories here as well. There was a vomit-inducing article in the Globe & Mail (one of our national newspapers) yesterday arguing that we should continue to wear masks even when the Covid danger has passed, just like they do in Asia. The comments were overwhelmingly against her thesis. I know, these are the same sheeple who are complying, but it was at least a little bit heartening to see the pushback against masking becoming normal.

333276 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 9, #975 of 1601 🔗

Perpetual wearing of masks is not normal in Asia anyway, as you know. I can’t get over the ‘orientalising’ of Asian people by Western people, particuarly when I suspect that these are very woke people who think they are anti-racist and morally superior. Almost no one wore masks when I worked in a major Chinese city on-and-off for several years, and though it is more common in Japan, it’s not some kind of universal thing. It’s a Western myth.

333285 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #976 of 1601 🔗

Yes, I do know that masking is not widespread in Asia, though it’s been 25 years since I lived there. We all know that most of the mask wearing was due to pollution and not disease and it was never mandated. The writer of the article is Asian, which didn’t surprise me, since it presumably gave her some undeserved credibility to pontificate on Asian mask wearing.

333251 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #977 of 1601 🔗

Rural areas are usually better, Dorset wasn’t free of The Madness but was definitely a lot more relaxed.

333185 Ritchie2, replying to Ritchie2, 8, #978 of 1601 🔗

Anyone happen to watch Casualty last night on BBC1?

It was a continuation of the propaganda, overwhelmed ICU with seemingly everyone entering the hospital dying at some point. Still time for a TikTok video and endless deliveries of Take Away though. Treatment seemed to involve getting people onto machines ASAP.

333196 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ritchie2, 5, #979 of 1601 🔗

Surprised it didn’t have a queue of olds all just so relieved to be finally getting their jabs. Maybe that’ll be next week.

333202 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ritchie2, 14, #980 of 1601 🔗

Most BBC programs I have seen in recent years – drama, comedy, news, sport, etc – have had a strong propaganda element

333217 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 9, #981 of 1601 🔗

‘Eastenders’ was, as far as I can tell, introduced in the 80s mainly in order to push propaganda. An early example was Mark Fowler getting HIV, which was done to show that AIDS and HIV were two different conditions and could be caught by heterosexuals.

333194 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 17, #983 of 1601 🔗

Can we have that matron arrested for a public order offence now please?

333241 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to leggy, 12, #984 of 1601 🔗

If they arrested the lady who filmed the empty hospital, certainly they should arrest this liar. What she did is like yelling fire in a crowded theatre. Oh yeah, there are no more crowded theatres.

333191 DRW, 15, #985 of 1601 🔗

Hi all, did some shopping in Bristol today, sadly the only one unmuzzled. Funny to make a few maskoid’s eyes go wide but depressing to see so many still complying, at least I’m not usually alone locally.

333197 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 19, #986 of 1601 🔗

Cressida Dick advocating shaming people in supermarkets was a watershed moment, wasn’t it?

333205 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tom Blackburn, 28, #987 of 1601 🔗

NOT! We are going to see masses of this now because Johnson is clearly going to up the mask mandate. Which of course, won’t work because there is no rampant new variant on the prowl, it’s all made up. It only exists in the media to cover up Wancock’s big lie in Parliament. I’ll take an FPN and my day in Court. Had enough of the lies and the propaganda and the censorship now.

333267 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Jo Dominich, 21, #988 of 1601 🔗

True ! I lost it when they became mandated !!.. worst day in UK history from my point of view !. I’ve gone along with the mask thing in shops due to working in various supermarkets & helping my wife to do a regular shopping run for her locked down parents but it grieves me like nothing I’ve ever known ! They should be optional only , 🤬

333279 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Freddy Boy, 18, #989 of 1601 🔗

I cried like I’ve never cried before when my county mandated them in late July. I won’t go along with it so my husband does all the shopping. I would do curb side pickup if he weren’t willing to go into the stores. Is that an option for you? The only store I go into now is a health food store whose owner is a fellow sceptic and doesn’t wear a mask himself and never asks his customers to wear one. The mandatory masking was the worst day in a year of bad days. While I’m against every single crazy measure, I could probably live with all of the other crazy if I just didn’t have to wear a mask. I feel your pain!

333283 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jo Dominich, 3, #990 of 1601 🔗

Yeah, me too.

333296 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Jo Dominich, 8, #991 of 1601 🔗

Masks outdoors will be just as easy to avoid (via exemptions) outdoors as they are in shops.

333323 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #992 of 1601 🔗

Got my exemption badge ready.

333249 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #993 of 1601 🔗

Without doubt !.. Amazing how there was no such request to shame our friends up north when actual crimes were carried out against vulnerable youngsters !!..

333203 Victoria, 5, #994 of 1601 🔗

Tests to asses your risk for chronic disease and Covid-19

  • Glaucoma and Alzheimer’s disease frequently follow each other. Glaucoma can be viewed as “Alzheimer’s disease of the eye,” and Alzheimer’s as “glaucoma of the brain”
  • Cataracts are a manifestation of your innate immune response against acute or chronic infection. The infection is what’s causing this unfolded protein response to matriculate
  • Early cataracts are a bad sign for longevity. Most people with cataracts die of some vascular event fairly young
  • Many common lab tests can also tell you a lot about your health and the state of your immune system; the usefulness of 11 lab tests is reviewed
  • Retinal assessment and various lab assays can identify a brewing problem, which can then be addressed using strategies such as nutritional supplementation and lifestyle changes

The COVID Connection Many common lab tests can also tell you a lot about your health and the state of your immune system. When COVID-19 broke out, Chinese researchers reported patients had elevated ferritin and erythrocyte sedimentation (SED) rate, among other things. Lewis compared the COVID-19 lab panels with the work he’d been doing for the past 15 years, and found they matched up nicely.

“It’s not about treating COVID-19, it’s about measuring how full your vessel is towards these markers that create the cytokine storm, high inflammation, and kill you, and try to modulate that,” Lewis says.

“Why does the Z-Pak treat COVID-19? It doesn’t. It treats bacterial infection, but we all have a subclinical bacterial infectious burden, and that burden is taking up immune system bandwidth, which makes you less able to fight something as virial as COVID-19. That’s why Z-Pak works …

There’s nothing really special about COVID-19 and our immune response, because our immune response is innate and adaptive. It’s [about] being able to more accurately measure your immune compromised status. And almost everything we measure is reversible through very simple processes, supplementation, lifestyle activities, treating the infection, treating the pre-existing virus.”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/03/thomas-lewis-eye-brain-connection.aspx

333207 Pete Sutton, replying to Pete Sutton, 2, #995 of 1601 🔗

When did they start planning the logistics for getting the vaccine out and into people’s arms? Sooner than last week, I hope…

333226 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to Pete Sutton, 10, #996 of 1601 🔗

Probably before we’d even heard of Covid-19 tbh.

333220 TyLean, 21, #997 of 1601 🔗

In them teachers don’t just teach, they also create the environment in which children willingly learn even the things they don’t know they need to learn, and get satisfaction from it. They are also a powerful equaliser

Yes….. that’s precisely the fucking problem. Turning our bright children into fucking morons.

333223 Noumenon, 11, #998 of 1601 🔗

1 I am the State your Protector, who brought you out of the land of fortune, out of the house of ignorance. You shall have no other idols before Me.

2 You shall not make for yourself a community, or any likeness of anything that I promise to maybe one day be yours, or that is in mother earth beneath; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the State your Protector, am a narcissistic State, visiting the iniquity of the parents on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who resist Me, but showing mercy to millions, to those who love Me and meet My Demands.

3 You shall not take the name of the State your Protector in vain, for the State will not hold them guiltless who take Their name in vain.

4 Forget the old Sabbath day. Seven days you shall labour and do all your work, for the seven days are Homage to the State your Protector. In them you shall do nothing but work, and no matter if your toil is fruitless, or spent merely in the cultivation or study of fear and hatred as taught by My representatives. Neither you, nor your offspring, nor those who’s services you employ shall rest. For in seven days of the week did the State make itself and all that is within and dependent upon it, and did not lay idle the seventh day. Therefore the State set by example the importance of constant toil and provided the means whereby the seven days could be paid Homage.

5 Disown your parents, your children, your friends, that both your and their days may be long and lonely upon only the land which the State your Protector is lending you.

6 You shall not murder, except in ignorance or by neglect.

7 You shall not commit adultery, for you shall neither love nor be loved in return.

8 You shall not steal, for none shall possess.

9 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor except when I demand.

10 You shall not covet your neighbor’s possessions, nor their associations, nor anything that could be your neighbour’s, for they, like you, shall have nothing and be happy in their bondage and isolation.

Amen

333233 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 29, #999 of 1601 🔗

April now seems to be the new ‘carrot’ dangled in front of the sheeple to get them to keep going with the lockdowns.

I overheard a couple in the street today say ‘most people will be vaccinated by March or April, so lockdowns will probably end then’.

I wonder if they remembered ‘three weeks to flatten the curve.’

333239 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Cranmer, 21, #1000 of 1601 🔗

Yes, you are right — most sheeple believe once winter is over we will be out of this nightmare. While I’m not in the prediction business, I will say that I also think spring will be a make or break moment. We will know by late spring whether the “new normal” will become just normal. I’ve said it many times — they can vaccinate a bunch of guinea pigs, do far less PCR testing, lower the cycle threshold of the PCR test to 20, and stop mucking around with death certificates and declare the pandemic over and all their draconian measures a success. Only time will tell.

333246 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 9, #1001 of 1601 🔗

It’s whether those sheeple realise they’ve been had when the vaccine doesn’t end it.

333253 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 12, #1002 of 1601 🔗

Some are drunk on the power though. If Wanksock is still in the box seat, I wouldn’t count on this ending any time soon. And Pfeffel has shown himself to be weak as piss.

333256 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 15, #1003 of 1601 🔗

Lisa, they could have wound the pandemic down in the summer if they had wanted to. I think expecting it to happen in the spring is false hope. I agree though that the spring could be a make or break moment because psychologically the one year mark will be important in the minds of the sheeple. I don’t think any sheeple have seriously considered that this is the new, permanent normal – I am willing to bet 99.9% of them think it is still ‘temporary’.

333272 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Cranmer, 9, #1004 of 1601 🔗

I totally agree — there were many times in the past 10 months when I’ve said to myself, “They could end this now if they wanted to.” Definitely the summer would have been the time to do it, so when they mandated masks here in late July, I knew we were in for a long haul. But because the sheeple see the spring as a logical end to this, I still think we’ll know definitively whether this insanity is here to stay. If I had to predict, which I’m not at all good at, I’d say some of this won’t go away. The push to vaccinate, and re-vaccinate, will continue unabated. The push for digital vaccine records for the entire population will persist, with restrictions on people who refuse the vaccine likely. There may be a break in the mask BS, but by fall of 2021 I won’t be surprised if they are mandated again for the winter. They’ll allow stores to re-open and restaurants to re-open on some limited basis, which will seem like normal/acceptable to the sheeple. Basically just enough “normal” to appease the masses.

333282 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 11, #1005 of 1601 🔗

I hope so Lisa but that sounds rather optimistic to me. I think what we are seeing is either, at best, an episode of temporary global mass hysteria lasting years (such as the Tulip Mania or WW1), or, at worst, a permanent sea-change in cultural attitudes such as that seen during the Reformation. I can easily see that most small businesses will be destroyed and the idea of ‘going out’ just won’t be the same ever again. I hope to God I’m wrong though.

333300 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Cranmer, 11, #1006 of 1601 🔗

While I’m not sure if anyone in charge is planning anything – it usually looks like knee-jerk reactions and making it up as they go along, I think the ‘idea’ was to do what Lisa suggests above. Respiratory viruses normally fade in the spring and the authorities can reduce the PCR cycle threshold and/or use lateral flow to tweak test ‘results’, plus the magic vaccine will have a placebo effect, all of which is necessary to begin the enormous task of deprogramming the Covidians. This has been my hope for some time, as I think at least some in the UK Cabinet want to resurrect the economy before we go completely under, and a full reopening is required for that. I remain hopeful or I wouldn’t get out of bed in the morning (and struggle as it is).

On the other hand, who knows. I don’t buy into the whole ‘Great Reset’ theory and do not believe often-cited people that I won’t name here are pulling the strings of those in government around the world, but I do think what Mike Yeadon has called ‘convergent opportunism’ has been taking place that includes a lot of unethical and probably illegal activities. I suspect that it will be hard for those benefitting from public cash to get off this gravy train and that there will be conflicts in government here and elsewhere in the world as the Northern Hemisphere goes into spring (by the way, I expect Australia and New Zealand, like South Africa, to be heavily locked down rather soon, despite their summer weather, and then it’s unlikely they will open up before the Southern Hemisphere winter – no more smug comments from our cousins Down Under – it will be hell for them).

333342 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #1007 of 1601 🔗

I hope so – I’m getting a bit weary of my friend in Perth saying how normal it is there and how she is enjoying her holiday down south. She hasn’t got a clue and there is no point trying to explain how miserable life is now. She just doesn’t get it. I think she thinks I’m just moaning.

333627 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to CGL, 2, #1008 of 1601 🔗

I have a feeling that they will go through what we did last year. Look at South Africa now. We’ll see what happens. My friend in Melbourne has been a terrible Covidian and it’s put quite a strain on our friendship. He doesn’t think critically and thinks Chairman Dan is great. I despair.

333546 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #1009 of 1601 🔗

Tom I hope you’re right – but, as I wrote to Lisa, if they wanted to wind everything down, they could have done so in the summer. Remember the scenes of packed beaches? There was something of a demob-happy atmosphere in those few short weeks in summer and HMG could have continued that, but instead we got compulsory mask wearing in July and then the slow slide into full lockdown again.

333630 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1010 of 1601 🔗

I can see what you’re saying and was dismayed about last summer, but they didn’t have the magic vaccine, which I think is part of the way to deprogram the Covidians. I don’t think the natural fade of a respiratory virus in the summer is enough to counteract the brainwashing job they have done, and I also don’t think they really understood how the PCR test works back then. We’ll see what happens. I need to hold out some hope for the future.

333813 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tom in Scotland, #1011 of 1601 🔗

You could be right. I think it’s possible that HMG thought a vaccine might take years and so they decided to try winding down the panic in the summer instead; but then someone from Pfizer got in touch and said a workable prototype could be ready by the end of the year, so they decided to go for sh*t or bust and extend the lockdowns until mass-rollout.

333329 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1012 of 1601 🔗

People have very short memories these days, I have a theory that radio waves are damaging our brains, I keep my mobile phone usage to a minimum, I find it worrying how many depend on their mobiles for day to day living. Some people cannot bear to let them out of their sight.

333764 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella Donna, #1013 of 1601 🔗

…radio waves are damaging our brains …

There is plenty of research that suggest this, Bella.

I haven’t seen any purely on the addictive nature of the things, that would be interesting.

333865 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cranmer, #1014 of 1601 🔗

Utopia is only just over the horizon.One more push.The morons just keep lapping it up

333240 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 28, #1015 of 1601 🔗

An apt twitter quote from Rob Slane https://twitter.com/theblogmire/status/1345501940151685121

Watching what is happening to my country is like being on a bus with a drunk driver speeding towards a cliff, but as I & a few others warn our fellow passengers that we must stop him & bring the bus to a halt, they yell at us to sit down and stop putting their lives in danger.

And one of the replies:
I am standing up with you to warn the others. Unfortunately it appears there are lots of others shouting at the driver to go faster!

———————————————————————————————–
The fate of lockdown sceptics is to fail to explain the fast-approaching cliff edge to the other passengers – how on earth do we do that when they have complete faith in the drunken bus driver?

333299 ▶▶ Annie, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1016 of 1601 🔗

We don’t. We get off the bus.

333304 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Annie, 4, #1017 of 1601 🔗

Yes, but the bus won’t stop – we will have to be prepared to take our chances by jumping off while it speeds ahead.!

333242 PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 13, #1018 of 1601 🔗

Re: The Failed Strategy of LockdownSceptics

I am not sure this is right. I suspect it is neither the issue of reason or emotion, I think it more like the question of do you see a duck or a rabbit: I fear it is the weight of wall to wall propaganda saying it is a duck when you know it is a rabbit. If you point out why it is a rabbit people will see a rabbit briefly but it goes back quite quickly to looking like a duck for them. I think it is still a question of dismantling all the lies one by one, and not giving up. Facts appeal to both reason and emotion: above all don’t give up.

333451 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 2, #1019 of 1601 🔗

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but the BBC say it is a rabbit…..

333247 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1020 of 1601 🔗

The Guardian: Now the Swedish model has failed, it’s time to ask who was pushing it.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/03/swedish-model-failed-covid-19

333254 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #1021 of 1601 🔗

Has it failed?

What have I missed?

333257 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 4, #1022 of 1601 🔗

Not to my mind but just posting for reference. This is how the mainstream narrative reads.

333280 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #1023 of 1601 🔗

Thanks

I can’t bring myself to read the Guardian

Almost everything I have read in the MSM about Sweden has been a filthy, evil lie

333286 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 2, #1024 of 1601 🔗

Talking of mainstream narrative, I’d forgotten about this sausage….

Sky News: COVID-19: National lockdown must be imposed within 24 hours, says Labour leader.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-national-lockdown-must-be-imposed-within-24-hours-says-labour-leader-12178438

333310 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1025 of 1601 🔗

Be announced by Wednesday if we go by past form.Starmer seems to have the inside track on what the Government will do.
That’s trilateral commission member Keir Starmer.

333322 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #1026 of 1601 🔗

He just pops up at opportune times to scream ‘lockdown’. It takes no skill whatsoever. Like the snide kid who sticks the boot in. And I voted for him in the leadership election! Very disappointing. One of these days Pfeffel will make a stand.

333861 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1027 of 1601 🔗

My point is that he knows what Johnson has to do.Everytime he calls for something it happens.He has no political strength to make anything happen so it seems he has insider knowledge.Full lockdown by the end of the week.

333351 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Julian, 1, #1028 of 1601 🔗

Totally agree

333452 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Julian, 1, #1029 of 1601 🔗

Almost everything you have read in the MSM about ANYTHING has been a filthy, evil lie

333262 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1030 of 1601 🔗

I’d like to know what metric they’re using. Deaths per million in the UK = 1102. Deaths per million in Sweden = 861. Then there’s the economy (from Reuters December 16):

Gross domestic product is likely to shrink 2.9% this year, its revised forecasts showed, a much better outcome than the 7% contraction the government expected in May at the height of the first wave of the pandemic. The figure is also much more positive than the 7.3% drop in euro zone GDP seen by the European Central Bank.

“The recovery in the Swedish economy has been stronger in the autumn than we and many other forecasters had expected,” Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson told a news briefing.

The government cut its forecast for growth in 2021 to 3.0% against its previous expectation of a rebound of 4.1%.

333269 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1031 of 1601 🔗

Agree. The title is complete bollocks (I haven’t read the article).

333306 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1032 of 1601 🔗

It ends with him asking why the Swedish approach had so much influence in Britain.As we are about to enter our 3rd national lockdown I’m not sensing much influence.
It beggars belief that someone pays him to write such drivel and that anyone believes it.

333431 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #1033 of 1601 🔗

why the Swedish approach had so much influence in Britain”

The Swedish approach that had for decades been the standard approach to pandemics as documented by the WHO and adopted by every country on the planet

333336 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1034 of 1601 🔗

The Guardian opinions are little more than worthless propaganda.

Just skimmed through it and all I noticed was a plug for his latest book.

333417 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1035 of 1601 🔗

No data, just plugging his book as far as I could tell. Can’t even honour that with the title of journalism.

333263 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 35, #1036 of 1601 🔗

Interesting post by Dr David McGrogan. It is undoubtedly true that we sceptics are still in a minority for all the reasons he mentions, but I believe that under the surface the public is more sceptical than he realises. It’s a case of people telling pollsters one thing but doing quite another. I’ll give you a trivial example: in recent days people have been flocking in droves to some parkland near where we live – the numbers are such that social distancing is impossible, and many of them are clearly flouting the rule forbidding mixing with more than one person outdoors. What you have here is a manifestation of the fact that people are bored and know instinctively that risks are being grossly exaggerated. Admittedly this is not much of a protest, but I believe the tide will turn shortly when the government will no longer be able to conceal the cost of the economic and social damage that the lockdown has caused.

333293 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to JamesM, 7, #1037 of 1601 🔗

Doesn’t really matter how sceptical people are “under the surface” if they keep obeying the rules and telling opinion pollsters they want more lockdown.

333298 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JamesM, 17, #1038 of 1601 🔗

I can’t remember how long ago it was that we started saying ‘the tide is turning’.
But with God’s help and ours, it will.

333316 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Annie, 9, #1039 of 1601 🔗

The tide is turning, it is a long process though, we were starting from well behind and winter seasonal virus was always going to help the government produce their lies. That Hancock had to pull the mutant virus crap and involve children to keep mp’s of his back for a few weeks shows how far we have come.

We could do with the North winds blowing for a few weeks, that would keep folk away from those wretched testing centres.

YOUGOV and IPSOS polls are bought and paid for and largely answered by those so far unaffected by this crisis. In time though most of them will be, very few will be bombproof, especially if paying off loans. Long low interest rates this government is gambling on, even Richy isn’t a believer.

333319 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Annie, 10, #1040 of 1601 🔗

A sizeable portion of the population are sceptics now. It used to be an extremely lonely place. Slow but steady progress I’d say. Like a juggernaut picking up speed.

333460 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1041 of 1601 🔗

I know I keep saying this, but I’ve pencilled in 1 May as the day this turns decisively.

333540 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Now More Than Ever, #1042 of 1601 🔗

Interesting – any particular reason for that date? Personally I think we have a lot longer to go, especially as it’s looking less and less likely that Trump will successfully block Biden’s apotheosis on 6 January.

333264 Wolver, replying to Wolver, 8, #1043 of 1601 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpA_p7r5j64&feature=youtu.be

Interesting video timeline on how the mask rhetoric changed.

333321 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Wolver, 9, #1044 of 1601 🔗

Yep masks are useless. Only infected people should wear them.

333339 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1045 of 1601 🔗

Which is exactly how it works in the far east. It’s a courtesy to help not spread a bug. Despite what we’re told.

333366 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Wolver, 1, #1046 of 1601 🔗

I have been posting links to this wherever mask use was being advocated.

333274 Tom Blackburn, 26, #1047 of 1601 🔗

.

333289 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 27, #1048 of 1601 🔗

Peter Hitchens on Twitter: “I’ll say it again. I sense the approach of a strong wave of ‘blood on your hands’ denunciations of dissenters in the weeks to come. Dissent is the only limit on Johnson’s power to close down our lives. I think sceptics must all be prepared to take some hard pounding.”

https://mobile.twitter.com/clarkemicah/status/1345713055079018496

Even more reason to follow the advice in the article from Dr McGrogan. If these fanatics want to go down the ‘blood on their hands’ road then let us indeed start talking about the ‘blood on the hands’ of Johnson, Hancock and all the other fundamentalists!

Do they really want to play this game?

333362 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to common conservative, 5, #1049 of 1601 🔗

Maybe so but if the Laura Duffel episode is anything to go by the pushback is quite swift. It only takes one episode like this to break the narrative. This one comes close.

333398 ▶▶ ChrisW, replying to common conservative, 5, #1050 of 1601 🔗

Yes, every single arsehole that supports lockdowns has got blood on their hands.

333294 iansn, replying to iansn, 20, #1051 of 1601 🔗

Lots of pointless bullshit tin the Torygraph today and Trace and Trace https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/01/03/britains-test-trace-system-let-coronavirus-slip-40bn-net/ none of the scientists commenting seem to have any grip on reality ie what it means to have the system they say they need to ‘control’ the virus. Currently there are over 50k ‘cases’ a day. Say 8 contacts per case, thats 400k contacts to make PER DAY to trace (555 per minute for a 12 hour system!), 2.8 million calls a week, 5 months later everyone in the country should have been contacted. Anything can be fixed by throwing money at it the scientists say.
Why not look from the other end of the bottle. Test and treat symptomatic individuals like any other infectious disease like serious flu. That’s £40 billion saved to spend on treating the sick. Everyonr of them seems to be a theorist or modeller with no grip on what it actually entails.

333303 ▶▶ Liam, replying to iansn, 8, #1052 of 1601 🔗

Stop using logic and reason, you’re literally killing people!

333309 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to iansn, 3, #1053 of 1601 🔗

They are chasing their own tails

I think they know this surveillance infrastructure is permanent so it will be worth it in the long run.

333313 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1054 of 1601 🔗

But it will be run by AI in future.Already up and running in China

333335 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to iansn, 1, #1055 of 1601 🔗

We keep reading about tracers who have little to do.

333354 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to frankfrankly, 2, #1056 of 1601 🔗

Well Covid is a scam, so it’s better that they do nothing, Better still if they go back on the dole.

333427 ▶▶ Julian, replying to iansn, 3, #1057 of 1601 🔗

I don’t think they care much about reality

It’s all theatre

333439 ▶▶ wendy, replying to iansn, #1058 of 1601 🔗

T and T can never work for this and is a waste of money.

333302 Simon, replying to Simon, 73, #1059 of 1601 🔗

Just been to the major railway ststion here to drop girlfirend off heading home. Both of us unmasked.

A station staff member asked me if I’d like to say goodbye on the platform, helped me through the barirers and said she’d wait for me to come back and let me out. Very friendly and helpful, no challenges whatsoever. Not from anyone there at all.

333312 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Simon, 14, #1060 of 1601 🔗

Excellent.

333389 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1061 of 1601 🔗

Stay positive, and smile a lot

333334 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Simon, 6, #1062 of 1601 🔗

Nice.

333305 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 19, #1063 of 1601 🔗

Supercomputers have been calculating billions of bits of information every second for dozens of years and they have yet to discover how everything began. These Great Reset/AI obsessed nerds and psychotics are trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Artificial Intelligence will never attain the level of intelligence that has created and sustained our Universe for the past who knows how many years.

333320 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to bebophaircut, 5, #1064 of 1601 🔗

The answer is of course…..42

333349 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to FenTyger, 3, #1065 of 1601 🔗

Still 42 after all these years? Time to sack Deep Thought.

333356 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to FenTyger, 2, #1066 of 1601 🔗

Do you know where your towel is?

333365 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Basileus, 2, #1067 of 1601 🔗

Oh, yes. Trying to hitch a lift to Barnard’s Star.

333357 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1068 of 1601 🔗

Personally I have often thought that the concept of artificial stupidity has a lot of supporting evidence.

333489 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1069 of 1601 🔗

AI is a myth frankly, they are way off. Modern so-called “AI” is to biological intelligence what a Neolithic flint is to a particle accelerator. In fact, it’s quite possible that they aren’t even comparable and that it is the equivalent of fakery just like an automaton is to a person. The AI economy is a religion, NOT a science.

333311 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 31, #1070 of 1601 🔗

It seems we are governed by the Unions, overpaid Academics and Wet Tories. Unless someone takes these idiots by the scruff of the neck and knocks some sense in them there is no way out.

333377 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Bella Donna, 21, #1071 of 1601 🔗

The biggest problem we have is the below which includes all the proto fascists, uniformed thugs and Krankies Karens, overwhelmingly public sector or secure pension.
If they were on the edge of a financial precipice it might refocus things.

333317 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 29, #1072 of 1601 🔗

Incoming – prepare for more tiers or whatever they are going to call it to avoid calling it a full lockdown:

Keir Starmer calls for immediate lockdown in England as Covid cases soar Labour leader urges prime minister to impose new nationwide restrictions within next 24 hours

“The virus is clearly out of control,” Starmer said on Sunday. “And there’s no good the prime minister hinting that further restrictions are coming into place in a week, or two or three.
“That delay has been the source of so many problems. So, I say bring in those restrictions now, national restrictions, within the next 24 hours.
“That has to be the first step to controlling the virus.”
—————————————————————————————————
Yes, Sir Kalmer, because it’s all worked so well before innit? And when that’s done and it makes no difference, what’s the next step?

333325 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1073 of 1601 🔗

Apparently Kier just wants tier 4 with extra bells on – he doesn’t want to close the schools, it’s the zoos that are the problem apparently! You couldn’t make it up!

333346 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to nocheesegromit, 14, #1074 of 1601 🔗

He still wants hanging.

333352 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Rowan, 7, #1075 of 1601 🔗

They all do.

333387 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to nocheesegromit, 5, #1076 of 1601 🔗

Closing zoos will result in a lot of animals being destroyed. Put your name to that Sir Keir.

333462 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Bugle, 3, #1077 of 1601 🔗

Oh.. that’s on the way already.. pigs, chickens, cows. The mink thing was a dry run. Still, the prat Fergusson is pretty good at destroying animals if I remember correctly..

333435 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #1078 of 1601 🔗

Do they keep bats in zoos?

333326 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to godowneasy, 21, #1079 of 1601 🔗

Most of the country is practically in lockdown what else does the daft twat want.

333328 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Ricky1, 5, #1080 of 1601 🔗

Pesky folk of Yorkshire and Liverpool should be deprived of the luxury of visiting non-essential shops and going to the hairdressers.

333332 ▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1081 of 1601 🔗

Whats a hairdresser?

333343 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ricky1, 3, #1082 of 1601 🔗

He wants to be hanged.

333344 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Ricky1, 2, #1083 of 1601 🔗

Hear hear!!

333369 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Ricky1, 2, #1084 of 1601 🔗

His name in more headlines.

333453 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Ricky1, 1, #1085 of 1601 🔗

A lump of 4×2 around the the back of his head.. the bastard!

333331 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to godowneasy, 17, #1086 of 1601 🔗

There is fuck all else to close at this point. Central belt Scotland has been under house arrest pretty much the whole winter. Put me in tier pluto for all I care.

333338 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #1087 of 1601 🔗

We’ve been in Lockdown in my town since October 3rd. It’s done nothing. Exponentialism all the way.

333422 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #1088 of 1601 🔗

It was end of July when Greater Manchester was put in lockdown, no household mixing, a fine for having someone in your home or garden. Did it help!!!! Not one bit.

333566 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to wendy, 3, #1089 of 1601 🔗

That’s what I keep reminding people, we’ve had some form or other of these restrictions here since the end of July though I don’t imagine Boris would know if you asked him, or even give a damn anyway. And we know for sure that SAGE don’t, it’s their intention to treat us like rats in a communist experiment. The Neil Ferguson article in The Times and his cosy chat with Tony Blair tell you all you need to know about what they think of us and where this is going.

333576 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1090 of 1601 🔗

I know. They keep saying there may have to be another “full lockdown”; what the hell is Tier 4, if it isn’t a lockdown?

333345 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1091 of 1601 🔗

I wish we could go to another planet!

333383 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #1092 of 1601 🔗

Thanks for giving me a laugh. I was wondering what they’re going to add to tier 4 – can’t see anyone or go anywhere apart from work and food shopping. I’m assuming they’ll ban all forms of employment and eating?

333337 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1093 of 1601 🔗

Time to start a Campaign to remove Starmer.

333347 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1094 of 1601 🔗

careful there – it might usher in you know who…..

333440 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1095 of 1601 🔗

Really- still this shit? And it would have been worse than the clowns running this country now? FFS this country has clearly lost any perspective on how we got into this mess

333448 ▶▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to jos, 1, #1096 of 1601 🔗

I was talking about Blair.

333355 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1097 of 1601 🔗

There was a plot to kill Hitler towards the end of WW2, but it was called off as the allies believed he was doing a really bad job. Food for thought?

333371 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, 3, #1098 of 1601 🔗

There was a plot kill Hitler in July ’44 which dam’ nearly succeeded. He had the devil’s luck. That luck must be thinly spread now among all the devils who oppress us. It will be running out soon,

333348 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1099 of 1601 🔗

What is the obsession with keeping us under house arrest, they should be arrested for what they’re doing. Personally they can stick their tiers where the sun don’t shine.

333358 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1100 of 1601 🔗

‘out of control’

Herein lies the problem. Was it ever under control? Was it ever controllable?

333361 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1101 of 1601 🔗

No and no are the only answers.

333428 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1102 of 1601 🔗

An illusion of control!!! And now we have to have a medical model way to get back control only no one knows if a rushed out vaccine will help.

333441 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to wendy, 2, #1103 of 1601 🔗

‘They’ have control, all the control they could possibly want.

Not of covid though.

333360 ▶▶ Paul, replying to godowneasy, 18, #1104 of 1601 🔗

They can do what the fuck they like,increasing numbers of people in my area are taking zero notice of them.There’s only the food shops left to close around here,so go on,do that and lets see how that works out,perhaps the zombies will finally wake up then.

333508 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Paul, 2, #1105 of 1601 🔗

Yep – I’ve got enough food in – close the supermarkets. That would do it.

333379 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1106 of 1601 🔗

Someone told me that he has a small penis……

333541 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to stefarm, #1107 of 1601 🔗

LOL – come to think of it = he’s got the correct build for that to be the case…ahem….#speakingforafriend

333395 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1108 of 1601 🔗

I see Leicester is still the Gall Bladder of the UK then. Just ignored like it wasn’t doing any useful:

333446 ▶▶ George L, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1109 of 1601 🔗

Starmer is Trilateral Commission, a Bliar cronie, and a full on NWO globalist. A very dangerous man indeed.

333786 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to George L, 1, #1110 of 1601 🔗

Yep fully on board with the plan.That is why he is able to call for full lockdown knowing Boris will comply.

333341 chaos, replying to chaos, 15, #1112 of 1601 🔗

Kier Starmer has a very small penis.

333364 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to chaos, 10, #1113 of 1601 🔗

He should still be well hanged even if he’s not well hung..

333370 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to chaos, 1, #1114 of 1601 🔗

Is that a rumour or do you have evidence?

333384 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1115 of 1601 🔗

They did a PenisCR test apparently.

333390 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to mhcp, #1116 of 1601 🔗

And finally reduced the cycle threshold.

333396 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1117 of 1601 🔗

It was only a single strand in the end

333482 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to chaos, 1, #1118 of 1601 🔗

Mrs Starmer, it’s no use complaining now.

333497 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Ovis, 1, #1119 of 1601 🔗

Hahaha

333350 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 11, #1120 of 1601 🔗

Sanity breaks out in County Durham (are you serious?).

It seems that the County Council are allowing schools to make their own decision about opening:

http://www.durham.gov.uk/article/24850/Schools-opening-in-the-new-year-Our-statement

In the absence of changes to Government guidance we are clear that any decision on school closure should be made by school leaders and their Governing Bodies based on individual risk assessments at local level. Risk assessments continue to be updated and need to take account of a range of factors including local infection rates, availability of staff as well as the school’s physical environment and organisation. We will continue to support all of our schools based on established locally derived information along with national guidance and best practice. While our infection rates are currently lower than London we feel consistency is needed for all tier 4 areas.’

Pinch me someone.

333380 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basileus, 2, #1121 of 1601 🔗

Means the schools can get sued and not the council!

333391 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to mhcp, 2, #1122 of 1601 🔗

Cynical but perceptive.

333413 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basileus, 2, #1123 of 1601 🔗

I can recognise a slopey shoulder or two

333421 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basileus, 2, #1124 of 1601 🔗

I’m not sure I would call it sanity, maybe just less mad

The County Council ought to be making it clear to schools they need to stay open and do their bloody job

333529 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Basileus, 1, #1125 of 1601 🔗

Good sign. Shows the council is trying to offload blame onto the individual schools, the same way central government has tried to do this with local government. It shows, hopefully, that some people in positions of power are getting squeaky-bums about how this all might turn out.

333553 ▶▶ TC, replying to Basileus, 3, #1126 of 1601 🔗

So local rates of infection (?) are lower than London and we take cognisance of established locally derived information but because London is in Tier 4 we feel the need for consistency?
What price complicity in institutionalised child abuse because that’s what seems to be happening with official denial of an education to children for so long.
If adults feel 10 months os this restricted life is a long time then what must a 10 year old feel at nearly 10% of his or her life?

333359 richmond, replying to richmond, 21, #1127 of 1601 🔗

“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”
Jonathan Swift

And that, my friends, is why we must change our tactics with the zombies. Change them to what? Good question.

333418 ▶▶ Julian, replying to richmond, 4, #1128 of 1601 🔗

But remember the messages and information that the zombies have been exposed to: Govt, opposition, NHS, SAGE, all MSM, most world governments, celebrities etc etc are ALL pro lockdown and have spent hundreds of millions on propaganda

What have we spent on countering it?

Get the truth in front of the zombies often enough and it will get through to some. How many, who can say, but propaganda works

333363 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 46, #1129 of 1601 🔗

I get the feeling people are getting really fed up and angry now, they know that its not as bad as portrayed, even my covid fanatic relatives.

333382 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1130 of 1601 🔗

Yep. They are just thrashing out now. Hence why I’m keeping my head down for a few weeks. They can have it out with each other / their government and rules. Hopefully there is some critical reflection going on.

333449 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1131 of 1601 🔗

Do you think so? I hope you’re right, but almost around me is wholesale, unquestioning, fearful compliance.

333570 ▶▶ Jody, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1132 of 1601 🔗

It’s complex. If anything, I’ve noticed people getting even angrier with me than normal when I question official narratives. That being said, I think some of that anger comes out of people’s underlying sense that not everything is quite how it appears.

333372 leggy, replying to leggy, 2, #1133 of 1601 🔗

Has anyone been able to find the all cause mortality for the US in 2020? I can find 2019 (2.84m) but nothing for 2020. Thanks in advance.

333419 ▶▶ DRW, replying to leggy, 2, #1134 of 1601 🔗

Probably not published yet, most official numbers have at least a month reporting lag.

333373 Gladiatrix, replying to Gladiatrix, 22, #1135 of 1601 🔗

Re David McGrolgan’s article, I said from the outset that Lockdown Sceptics and its various groupings should prosecute Matt Hancock for misfeasance in a public office and report the SAGE members to their applicable regulators. If it had been made clear to them that they either stopped this abuse of the population or they would go to prison and be expelled from their professions, things would now be very different. Toby et al have been too polite when what was called for was aggression.
As for Owen Jones, Karol Sikora should sue him into personal bankruptcy for libel. Just as Sunetra Gupta, Mike Yeadon and Carl Heneghan should sue the Guardian/Observer generally plus Nigel Lawson and the Sunday Times.

333414 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Gladiatrix, 13, #1136 of 1601 🔗

I think Toby Young has been very aggressive in his fight – after all he set this site up and puts a lot of effort into it, and engaged with OFCOM over their attempted censorship. Accusing him of politeness seems harsh.

Anything that disrupts the enemy is potentially of help but I doubt any prosecution or report to regulators would have done much good. The Dolan legal case had good grounds for succeeding yet failed, so I doubt anything like misfeasance would stand up given that lockdowns are apparently perfectly legal.

333685 ▶▶▶ Gladiatrix, replying to Julian, 1, #1137 of 1601 🔗

I am not criticising setting up the website, but every lawyer who read the Dolan transcripts has been very clear his case was hopeless. Aggression in this context would have been a direct and public threat to Hancock et al: stop or we’ll have you arrested and your career will be over permanently.

333374 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 5, #1138 of 1601 🔗

I have no idea why they are ‘worried’ about vaccine take up levels. The queue in this video from America is literally hundreds of meters long – probably the population subjected to the most fear propaganda in the world.

Hundreds of people in Florida are camping out overnight outside the Fort Myers Stars Complex to mark their number in line to get the covid-19 vaccine: https://twitter.com/WarOnHumanity20/status/1344704178116059136

333385 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Darryl, 4, #1139 of 1601 🔗

That is incredible long live big pharma!

333393 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1140 of 1601 🔗

I believe big pharma account for around half of the advertising revenue on some TV networks, so they have definitely done their paymasters a favour with 10 months of non stop fear mongering.

333404 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Darryl, 5, #1141 of 1601 🔗

Media/Government/ Big Pharma – the holy trinity

333415 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1142 of 1601 🔗

The real Axis of evil.

333376 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1143 of 1601 🔗

There is often mention on here of turning back the tide and the sad fact LS hasn’t stopped it. If the tide’s been coming in for so long, isn’t the whole country under water by now? I’m wondering whether the easiest solution is just to buy a boat?

333412 ▶▶ George L, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1144 of 1601 🔗

You have to remember this LS site is mainly like minded people. There’s no debate with those with a different view. Consequently the thoughts and debate are confined to this site, and unless there’s a huge wake up call on the horizon I’m afraid the minority (us) just have to dig in and influence as many as we can..

333461 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to George L, 18, #1145 of 1601 🔗

Yes that’s right but what LS is good for is letting us support each other without which some of us might have gone under and all the links and information people provide help us all to see we are not alone and we are not going mad because we feel this way.

333494 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to wendy, 4, #1146 of 1601 🔗

Agreed Wendy.. I wasn’t knocking the site.

333556 ▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to wendy, 6, #1147 of 1601 🔗

Correct, I spent 6 months trying to get the message through on Facebook. Graphs articles stats nothing matters,I’m just a selfish granny killer. Came off 8 weeks ago after being shadow banned. I’ll take the LS echo chamber any day as it keeps me calm and focused.

333426 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1148 of 1601 🔗

To sail where?
The vast majority of people in this country have accepted subjugation and safety in preference to a 0.03% risk of death – less than that for most. But it isn’t just this country is it, safetyism has gifted the world to the megalomaniacs and boy are they happy about it, and boy are they going to hold on tight to it.
Just replace the last 3 letters of ‘covid’ with a number and you will see where it goes next – this is just the beginning.
Good luck sailing away from that.

333381 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1150 of 1601 🔗

on a lighter note I’m trying to find media reviews for last night’s Casualty but there’s nothing out there. Not even the Guardian

333429 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1151 of 1601 🔗

Casualty wouldn’t even make the Beano.

333386 wendy, replying to wendy, 16, #1152 of 1601 🔗

There is something I don’t understand about the photos of the Chinese people letting off balloons in Wuhan on New Year’s Eve. It’s not Chinese New Year on the 1st of January. Does anyone know would it be normal for Chinese people to celebrate the western new year in China?

333394 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to wendy, 9, #1153 of 1601 🔗

Thought the same myself. Think we are being trolled.

333411 ▶▶ jos, replying to wendy, 1, #1154 of 1601 🔗

Good point!

333467 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to wendy, 1, #1155 of 1601 🔗

Yes i thought that odd too. Maybe Tom’s right…

333518 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to wendy, 1, #1156 of 1601 🔗

I see no reason to doubt it.

Western New Year is faily internationalized noe.

333604 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to wendy, 3, #1157 of 1601 🔗

Perhaps in HK and Macau. Possibly at a stretch in Shanghai. Otherwise, no.

333388 Trixie, replying to Trixie, 2, #1158 of 1601 🔗

Can anyone tell me when the covid laws expire please? Thanks.

333476 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Trixie, 3, #1159 of 1601 🔗

Not before we do by the looks of it!

Coronavirus Act 2020 s.90

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/section/90

Pretend and extend is written into the legislation.

333578 ▶▶▶ Trixie, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1160 of 1601 🔗

Thanks, Hieronimusb. I had in the back of my mind that it expired on 31st March, and wondered how that would tie in with 4th April being when everything started easing up. Must have been a dream, I see that now.

333599 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Trixie, 1, #1161 of 1601 🔗

Sunset clause kicks in March 2022.

333617 ▶▶▶▶▶ Trixie, replying to Nick Rose, #1162 of 1601 🔗

Right, I was a year out. Thanks Nick Rose.

333392 Paul, replying to Paul, 11, #1163 of 1601 🔗

The Met Police in full fascist mode today,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hei6WfowtNQ

333402 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Paul, 6, #1164 of 1601 🔗
333409 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Paul, 17, #1165 of 1601 🔗

Shameful, they even march around in groups like the SS now.

New World Order police crushing free speech – the capital really has fallen.

Can’t believe these people still take pride in their work.

333424 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Paul, 26, #1166 of 1601 🔗

Did I really just see/hear Plod marching to ‘Hup Two Hup Two’?

And note the absurdity, irony and hypocrisy involved in massive groups of old bill, all tight together, all from different households, telling people to disperse/not to be in large groups from different households! Am I losing my bloody mind? Is this really happening, or am I a brain in a vat?

333456 ▶▶ ZigZag, replying to Paul, 13, #1167 of 1601 🔗

Seems odd that they arrested a guy for hugging people then got right in his face to handcuff him.

Aren’t the police with their masks below their noses afraid of catching the virus?

And why, despite it being a fact that viruses can be contracted through your eyes, are goggles not mandated? Most people I see have masks or a covering of some sort over their mouths only. Yet these people are livid at the mere thought of someone not wearing one.

333559 ▶▶ houdini, replying to Paul, 3, #1168 of 1601 🔗

Police Bravery awards all round .
Courage beyond the call of duty

333593 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Paul, 3, #1169 of 1601 🔗

Obviously unhappy because anti-lockdown protestors were there yesterday.

333401 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 2, #1170 of 1601 🔗

DeBlasio dancing with his wife in an empty Times Square couldn’t resist having another sick joke at the dead masses expense.

DeBlasio’s wife wears pedophile symbol facemask: https://twitter.com/kate_awakening/status/1345034577308307456/photo/3
DeBlasio dances in Empty Times Square: https://twitter.com/NYCMayorsOffice/status/1344897547370954753

333445 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Darryl, 6, #1171 of 1601 🔗

He’s an egregious individual

One of the most heartening moments in recent political history was when hundreds of NYPS officers turned their backs on him while he spoke at a dead officer’s funeral

333493 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Julian, 4, #1172 of 1601 🔗

Warren Wilhelm Jr is a complete scumbag who has obviously been hand picked along with Cuomo to destroy New York.

333407 jos, replying to jos, 10, #1174 of 1601 🔗

I’ve just watched Netflix series Travelers Season 2 Episode 5 from 2017 – I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this before – it is more pandemic fear-porn but uncannily prescient (and no, I don’t think that is a coincidence!) Almost word for word the kind of stuff we were being told back in March – so more psy op conditioning ahead of the event .. A lot of effort and money was certainly poured into getting people ready for 2020 and making sure we all happily roll our sleeves up

333470 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to jos, #1175 of 1601 🔗

I’m 14 minutes in -god it’s slow

333539 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to arfurmo, #1176 of 1601 🔗

Yes sorry- I was trying to find something to divert me from the C – word and there it is three years ahead of its time almost word for word pandemic-porn ‘No it really isn’t flu’ – it brought back all the horror of the endless stupidity and profoundly patronising crap I had to put up with every time I deviated from the accepted narrative , such as ‘Do you know what the R number means?’ ‘No but something tells me you’re about to explain it to me’.. 🤦‍♀️

333423 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 21, #1177 of 1601 🔗

If I hear the expression: “We are following the scientific advice” again I think that I might,just might lose my temper.

333434 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Fingerache Philip, 13, #1178 of 1601 🔗

Number 1 for me is Hands , Face , Space closely followed by “Stay safe”

333443 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, 17, #1179 of 1601 🔗

Mine is “we’ll all be OK when we get the vaccine” If I hear that one more time I may just lose it completely.

333459 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, 5, #1180 of 1601 🔗

DITTO.

333524 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to kh1485, 2, #1181 of 1601 🔗

Except according to them about 200k people will still die of Covid even with the vaccine. But this is apparently fine now.

333457 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1182 of 1601 🔗

Now you’ve really upset me now.

333474 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1183 of 1601 🔗

Count to ten

333481 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1184 of 1601 🔗

Don’t forget, “if it saves a life…”

333432 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 16, #1185 of 1601 🔗

MSM and social media going into full overdrive. #Closeallschools trending.

“I’m a primary teaching assistant. I want to be in the classroom working with children. It’s what I do. But the science shows it is not safe for anyone – adults, children, their families, the community- right now for this to be happening.  #CloseAllSchools for the greater good.”

The situation keeps getting bleaker.

333438 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ricky1, 4, #1186 of 1601 🔗

Pressure is mounting, pressure mounts etc

333455 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 17, #1187 of 1601 🔗

Worst parent of the year candidate found on Twitter and its only been three days:

“My 8 y.o. daughter is sobbing as I’ve said it’s not safe to go to school tomorrow. We’re in Tier 4. Broken heart We’ve talked about it several times. This is hard.”

333465 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ricky1, 23, #1188 of 1601 🔗

Disgusting. My mum yesterday said how schools need to close. She means well but was based on MSM fear porn. I said absolutely not we cannot close schools again if nothing else for our kid’s mental health its sick and cruel on our children. To which she replied that makes sense never thought of that.

The media is only providing one side of the story the true horror lies underneath.

333471 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JHUNTZ, 22, #1189 of 1601 🔗

The kids I’ve seen have more common sense than their elders and could clearly teach them a thing or two about negotiating risk. I haven’t encountered one child that has swerved out of the way or looked in the slightest bit frightened.

333533 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to kh1485, 4, #1190 of 1601 🔗

I have noticed that as well. Good for them!

333479 ▶▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 8, #1191 of 1601 🔗

Close contender:

“It’s clear that we need a #nationallockdown but we so need children’s play parks to close. From what I’ve witnessed, people clearly can’t be trusted to distance, and I’m saying this as a parent with a son who loves the park. It’s just not safe, and people are being irresponsible.”

333485 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ricky1, 33, #1192 of 1601 🔗

Says the parent on full pay, no doubt.

There’s a simple solution. Why don’t we have two lots of societes: one for the terminally terrified and another for the rest of us who just want to live our lives.

333498 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to kh1485, 7, #1193 of 1601 🔗

Terminally terrified.. love it!

333580 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kh1485, 3, #1194 of 1601 🔗

Been saying this for a while, kh.

333760 ▶▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to kh1485, #1195 of 1601 🔗

I have often dreamt of my boyfriend and I moving to a remote island where life is truly normal. All dissenters would also be welcome.

333436 George Mc, 21, #1196 of 1601 🔗

The image that keeps recurring to me is that of John Hurt as Winston Smith in the film of 1984 where he wakes up in his little dingy cell-like room confronted by a huge TV screen over which he has no control and which switches itself on and blares out its “news” at maximum volume.

That’s the way I feel I am whenever I catch the news and it’s always the same story only a bit louder than last time. “Surges… cases … new variant …vaccine not being dispensed quick enough …”. I may have been hallucinating but I recall an American talking head popping up to say something like, “You wouldn’t get Trump being so open and honest about the figures.” Obviously using the words “open” and “honest” in a radically new way there.

And then I had a new and hopefully paranoid vision: of being forced to wear a mask even in my own home and even when alone – just in case I catch covid from myself!

333437 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 32, #1197 of 1601 🔗

Stop all sport and all tv programmes until nobody is any tier. Maybe then the fucking awful celebrities and sportsmen who can pretty much carry on as normal whilst preaching to everybody else will get as pissed off as the rest. They’ll definitely be pissed off when the penny finally drops that this will impact them at some point, i.e vastly permanently reduced wages when current tv deals are renewed (for a significantly lower amount)

333464 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Hubes, 10, #1198 of 1601 🔗

Yep 💯 % no more live TV or live sport.

333871 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to stefarm, #1199 of 1601 🔗

Including what is called The News.

333442 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 25, #1200 of 1601 🔗

Covid: Regional rules ‘probably going to get tougher’, says Boris Johnson – BBC News

Just read the comments in the article. 9 months and people are still buying this bollocks. Absolutely no consensus of opinion. This is divide and conquer on a whole different scale.

333463 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to JHUNTZ, 18, #1201 of 1601 🔗

People have been watching the same soaps and other shit on the tv for decades. 9 months is nothing for them. They’ll watch and believe anything as long as they are in the majority. Wasn’t there once a real life campaign to get a fictional tv character released from a fictional prison?

333475 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Hubes, 12, #1202 of 1601 🔗

Free Deidre Rachid!

333480 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1203 of 1601 🔗

BBC viewers, its what we would expect though, they tend to be brain washed into what they are hearing is the truth.

333537 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1204 of 1601 🔗

Brain dead morons. Lets hope the vaccine puts them out of our misery!

333549 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1205 of 1601 🔗

It’s like watching one man and his dog from the 80s.

The shepherd is manoeuvring the sheep through numerous gates before ultimately penning them where he really wants them.

333736 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JHUNTZ, #1206 of 1601 🔗

The comments are no doubt vetted, or planted – it is the beeb after all.

333450 CovidiousAlbion, replying to CovidiousAlbion, 9, #1207 of 1601 🔗

Our task now, then, is to lick our wounds and think about strategy for the next time this all happens. This pandemic is over biologically and will soon be over politically. – Dr David McGrogan

I’ve always been open to the possibility that LS is (yet more) controlled opposition.

McG’s pronouncement presupposes that, when the “pandemic” is “over politically”, we won’t be in significantly deteriorated political circumstances, that there won’t have been a “ Great Reset ” visited upon us.

Should this supposition be wrong, upon adopting his advice, we might find we’ve a thousand-year Reich to sit out, before we’ve at shot at implementing the revised strategy.

Whether we’re disheartened or not (and the likes of Dr McG being wheeled out to dishearten us surely confirms we’ve reason not to be), this is a time to liven up, not give up!

333466 ▶▶ Julian, replying to CovidiousAlbion, 10, #1208 of 1601 🔗

I’ve always been open to the possibility that LS is (yet more) controlled opposition.”

I strongly disagree with what McGrogan said, but I don’t see why you would conclude such a thing about LS just because a link was posted to one article that a lot of us disagree with. It has certainly sparked debate, though I personally wouldn’t have chosen to feature it as I don’t find it that helpful – but I am sure TY meant it to be helpful or spark debate.

333477 ▶▶▶ CovidiousAlbion, replying to Julian, 1, #1209 of 1601 🔗

why you would conclude such a thing ” – I didn’t conclude it; I stated that I was open to it! YMMV.

333490 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to CovidiousAlbion, 7, #1210 of 1601 🔗

It is certainly a possibility that it is controlled opposition to gauge opposition to restrictions and keep people away from certain information sources. Most of the articles and links are related to the entirely controlled mainstream media which deserves to be completely starved of views.

The Great Reset along with the transhumanism agenda is clearly being rolled out on the back of the engineered crisis. Very few who only read the main section will have any knowledge of this and many won’t even be aware of what transhumanism is.

333732 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 2, #1211 of 1601 🔗

I’ve just upticked this and it’s gone down one!!

333608 ▶▶ RickH, replying to CovidiousAlbion, 1, #1212 of 1601 🔗

The current balance of comments on this site seem to indirectly support McGrogan.

A predominant number seem to be engaged in simply repeating the same frustration, anger and insult at images of ‘mostpeople’ without any evidence of a significant impact in turning the situation around. (Count the balance compared to the hard analysis).

Other posts simply ride long-established and irrelevant hobby-horses.

The image that this frustrated impotence projects is not of ‘winners’ – let’s be honest.

333654 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to RickH, 1, #1213 of 1601 🔗

Well I don’t think anyone is coming across as “winners” at the moment.

333468 amateursimon, 9, #1214 of 1601 🔗

Someone should take a look at the issues that are being created with Special schools because of the positions the Unions are taking.

The NEU letter specifically notes that staff can attend school to assist with vulnerable children (vulnerable is defined on the DFE website as children with an education and health care plan, which is essentially all children in a special school IIRC).

Yet a number of special schools may not be able to reopen this coming week due to staffing levels. This is a developing situation and I confess I’m not party to the full facts, but it seems to me an important aspect of this ‘tussle’ between the various organs of state and the unions.

The approximately 1000 Special schools across the UK have a vital role in the lives of the children they care for, and by extension also in the lives of the parents and/or carers of those same children.

333469 Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, 12, #1215 of 1601 🔗

I think it’s about time the Pentagon considered the authorisation of a first strike using its nuclear arsenal. We’ve exhausted most options against this virus and it’s the only way to save our communities.

333483 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Noumenon, 14, #1216 of 1601 🔗

Its a win win, the virus disappears along with all the people, and at the same time no people to drive about in cars and heat their houses and so an end to climate change, it is hard to spot a flaw in this, shall we call it……….Final Solution!

333588 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Noumenon, 2, #1217 of 1601 🔗

Take off and nuke the whole site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

333472 godowneasy, 21, #1218 of 1601 🔗

Del boy : Rodders, have you put the vaccine suitcase in the van?
Rodney: No, it’s all got mixed up.
Del boy : That’s ok, we’ll be offering a pick ‘n’ mix.
Rodney : Isn’t that a bit dangerous?
Del boy : No, I tested it on Trigger and he’s just the same.
Rodney : Be careful Del, Trigger’s an idiot.
Del boy : Don’t be a plonker. All the punters are idiots too. This time next year we’ll be vaccinaires.

333473 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 53, #1219 of 1601 🔗

It is clear that the damage done in the last 9 months is irreparable. We have to face up to the grim reality that there will be no place for people like us in this new society. In order for our voices to be silenced though, we have to be physically eliminated. Exactly as has been done in countless totalitarian systems of the past. Personally, I do not think that the UK government has the guts or the ability to do this. They are banking on our fellow citizens dispensing of us on their behalf. And the majority of said collaborators are extremely weak people who will be similarly incapable of mass murder.

So where does that leave us? This new society will fail at some point, and probably sooner rather than later, because it is based solely on egregious lies that will inevitably destroy themselves. My current thinking is that we continue to fight individual battles wherever and whenever we can, and ride out the storm. If some of these confrontations become physical, so be it. Survival is the bottom line.

333492 ▶▶ Jody, replying to Richard O, 21, #1220 of 1601 🔗

It’s over the last month of so that I’ve really started to fear for my physical safety.

333496 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jody, 14, #1221 of 1601 🔗

The first killings will be over mask wearing. I can foresee anyone who murders because their victim was not wearing a mask not even being arrested or charged, let alone tried and convicted.

I am unconcerned about physical threats. If someone is so profoundly sick that they want to kill me for not complying, and I am unable to defend myself sufficiently, then they are actually doing me a favour. I get out of here without the metaphysical burden of suicide.

333503 ▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Richard O, 9, #1222 of 1601 🔗

It’s becoming more and more difficult not to wear a mask without putting yourself in physical danger. This has become very noticeable, recently…

333513 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jody, 4, #1223 of 1601 🔗

Hence the reason why I have completely excluded myself from society since the 24th July 2020. I only go outside to smoke a cigarette.

333530 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Richard O, 9, #1224 of 1601 🔗

I have no idea how you do it Richard. I am going stir crazy with the limited things I can do outside.

333536 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHUNTZ, 12, #1225 of 1601 🔗

Already being anti-social helped massively. Our public life has been completely defiled, so I have absolutely no desire to go anywhere in these conditions. Plus I live on my own so do not have to contend with anyone else’s shit day after day.

333644 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Richard O, 8, #1226 of 1601 🔗

Yes, I have not entered any businesses since last summer and order everything online. Since I don’t have a car, it’s actually easier with the groceries and I find it’s great to be able to walk from the computer to the kitchen to see if I need something – eliminated forgetting whether you need it when you’re at the supermarket. It also saves a lot of time. I used to enjoy the people-watching part of shopping, but now I’m glad to avoid it, largely because I find the masked Covidians and zombies frightening. It’s like being stuck in a tedious, long-running sci-fi/horror/disaster TV series that should have been cancelled some time ago.

I do go for ‘nature walks’ (park areas around town) and really find this essential. No zombies/Covidians outside the city centre here and most people actually still smile and seem quite pleasant.

333725 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, 3, #1227 of 1601 🔗

If you’ve excluded yourself from society, I don’t see how you’re qualified to comment on how things are, or will be, “out there.”

333500 ▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Jody, 16, #1228 of 1601 🔗

There are very many people who think that if you’re not 100% on board with government policy, then you are happy to see people die of Covid-19, and that, therefore, they are within their rights to kick seven bells of shit out of you.

333532 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Jody, 3, #1229 of 1601 🔗

Yes, and they are the ‘good guys’ remember.

333550 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Jody, 15, #1230 of 1601 🔗

I must admit every time I go to the supermarket mask free, as a middle aged female, I go ready to do battle- half expecting someone to threaten me. All for a few bananas etc. I mainly shop online because of this but why should I have to feel like this? And I have now resorted to an exemption lanyard to try and avoid the hassle.

333690 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Suzyv, 4, #1231 of 1601 🔗

That’s fine – but even if you succumb and wear a light scarf to avoid hassle – take it down when you get to the till, engage with the cashier, laugh and smile and chat (while flashing your lanyard if you like) – it’s the little things that will make a difference.
I do this. And it’s a great treat to watch the Muzzlers in the queue behind listening to our banter. Just a little seed sown…..

333994 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Suzyv, #1232 of 1601 🔗

I go ready to do battle and find that nobody apparently wants to fight me…They must get the idea that I mean business. I do find the whole thing so anxiety producing (Massive fight-or-flight adrenaline rushes that can’t be good for me) that i limit my shopping to the most necessary items. Interesting to note I find I really don’t need a lot.

333633 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Jody, 5, #1233 of 1601 🔗

Same here even more so the last 2 weeks I am definitely feeling a certain type of stare from mask wearers in the supermarket. Prior to that I was completely ignored and the zombies all seemed to be looking downwards. Scary.

333502 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Richard O, 12, #1234 of 1601 🔗

I would be scared if I thought people who were scared of a relatively moderate respiratory virus were brave and competent enough to fight a war.

333504 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Noumenon, 23, #1235 of 1601 🔗

Hope I’m not tempting fate here but those who have already had a pop at me would be hard-pressed to knock the skin of a rice pudding. As soon as you respond to the bullying, they wither away.

333515 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to kh1485, 17, #1236 of 1601 🔗

Being mumbled at from two metres away is the worst sanction I’ve encountered so far.

Hard to judge how severe a mumbling it was as I couldn’t hear it.

333554 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to guy153, 9, #1237 of 1601 🔗

I think most people are not going to be violent towards non-mask wearers. You might get the occasional self-righteous knuckle-head of the type who thinks paediatricians are some sort of sex-offender, but I’m willing to bet the most violent people in our society are also the ones who don’t wear masks themselves (except when robbing people).

333484 sceptic_teacher, replying to sceptic_teacher, 42, #1238 of 1601 🔗

I am a teacher at a sixth form college in London. I left my union in April because of their despicable betrayal of children.

I do not know of one adult who has contracted Covid at my school or any other since we went back in September, at least nobody with symptoms.

I have had several “Covid positive” children in my class, and all of them were well enough to keep working from home, attending the dreaded “virtual lessons” (or even worse – the “blended” ones). I also know that a huge number of healthy children and healthy adults went to get tests in the last week before the Christmas holidays to ensure that they wouldn’t kill grandma etc. etc.

Two days ago, the Principal wrote to us all to reveal the new and glorious “mass testing” strategy. He omitted to mention at any point that it is entirely optional. He even went so far as to assure students in a letter that “staff will have been tested”. Many people won’t have a clue that they can decline to participate in this charade.

I can only imagine that the mass testing is a useful device to get perfectly healthy people accustomed to suffering invasive “public health” interventions and that, when they inevitably close the schools for an uncertain period of time and launch “Tier 5” (whereby all healthy people will have to stay at home and staple themselves to the sofa) the empty school buildings up and down the land will be given over to vaccination drives.

333551 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to sceptic_teacher, 17, #1239 of 1601 🔗

Welcome sir/madam, it’s good to hear from a teacher on here. I suspect it is lonely for you at work as a sceptic, because teachers, in my admittedly limited experience, seem very enthusiastic about enforcing Covid regulations.

333552 ▶▶▶ sceptic_teacher, replying to Cranmer, 15, #1240 of 1601 🔗

Madam 🙂 Thank you! Yes, it is lonely.

333565 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to sceptic_teacher, 5, #1241 of 1601 🔗

I’ve been thinking for some time that empty schools will be used as vaccination and/or quarantine facilities. I think the government will need the schools back at some point though. How else are they going to vaccinate all the children without parental consent?

333595 ▶▶▶ sceptic_teacher, replying to Richard O, 5, #1242 of 1601 🔗

I think schools will be shut until the Spring. And then they will open, as you say, to get the children in and vaccinated too.

I think the Nightingales will be used as vaccination centres too. A friend of mine is involved in the London one… according to him, the beds were removed as late as last week!

333623 ▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to sceptic_teacher, 13, #1243 of 1601 🔗

If the schools close until spring, I’ll raise holy hell. My kids have already missed 6 months to this saga of shit.

333571 ▶▶ james007, replying to sceptic_teacher, 10, #1244 of 1601 🔗

Thank you for sharing this. It’s a reminder to me that unions do not speak for all teachers.
It seems like schools and universities are rolling out asymptomatic testing, bound to find lots of people who are not actually ill as being infected.

333589 ▶▶▶ sceptic_teacher, replying to james007, 4, #1245 of 1601 🔗

Agree entirely. And the whole thing will continue to snowball.

333671 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to james007, 1, #1246 of 1601 🔗

This is worth watching (link here yesterday) – they speak of asymptomatic spread and what tosh it is.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7cJSUIHyO7Ad/

333582 ▶▶ RickH, replying to sceptic_teacher, 8, #1247 of 1601 🔗

The only outcome of incontinent testing of the well is to falsely increase apparent ‘infections’. There is no other outcome available, since the ‘cases’ have to be divided by a factor of about 10 to arrive at an estimate of actual illness.

333629 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to sceptic_teacher, 11, #1248 of 1601 🔗

I wish you were at my child’s school so much. He is at secondary and his form teacher wears a face mask and visor and all he talks to them about is bat flu and how they might be killing each other or each other’s family etc etc a new if he had his way the children would be in masks all day etc etc. My son has an exemption naturally. But it isn’t made east for him as only a handful in the whole school are exempt. The staff are very enthusiastic with the regulations .

333635 ▶▶▶ sceptic_teacher, replying to Sodastream, 4, #1249 of 1601 🔗

That’s terrible. I’m very sorry to hear this. Wishing you and your son well. We must be resilient!

333683 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sodastream, 4, #1250 of 1601 🔗

Upvoted as a ‘thank you’ for sharing this painful situation.
We wish your son well. It’s youngsters like him who are the victims of this madness.

333697 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to sceptic_teacher, 3, #1251 of 1601 🔗

I’m due back in my timetable job at an FE college tomorrow and the information re testing on the latest cross college memo fails to mention that the tests are voluntary.

Got a feeling I’m going to treated like a social outcast at the point I refuse to have the test.

333842 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to sceptic_teacher, 1, #1252 of 1601 🔗

Meet a teacher from Italy yesterday who fled Milan in August to come to London because she recognised the signs that were there when Hitler rose to power, at the time she didn’t think the UK would go the same way. Anyway she was the only descenting voice in her school hence she quit.

333486 kpaulsmith1463, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 1, #1253 of 1601 🔗
333522 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 5, #1254 of 1601 🔗

Insanity. You have to hand it to Alex Jones and the FEMA camp claims

333491 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 22, #1255 of 1601 🔗

Tougher lockdown restrictions? Extra mask to be worn over eyes? Those with two legs to hop on one? No “science”, it’s just tougher.

333512 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to PatrickF, 12, #1256 of 1601 🔗

Pants on your head. 2 pencils up your nose

333542 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Hubes, 12, #1257 of 1601 🔗

I’ve been waiting for months to see if anyone would start rumours of that online and then we could see how many people immediately followed it!

333770 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to dpj, #1258 of 1601 🔗

That would be a great social experiment – to let it spread for a few days without rebuttal. Reminds me of the BBC ‘spaghetti grows on trees’ prank from the 50s… which people actually believed!!

333612 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Hubes, 4, #1259 of 1601 🔗

And if someone challenges you in a shop because you’re not wearing a muzzle – just say ”Wibble?”

333523 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1260 of 1601 🔗

Walk on all fours so you are lower, ie it disappears when you sit down at the table.

333499 Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, 8, #1261 of 1601 🔗

Does anyone here pay a TV license, if so, may I ask WHY?

333509 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Noumenon, 6, #1262 of 1601 🔗

Stopped paying months ago.

333516 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Liam, 4, #1263 of 1601 🔗

Congrats! More people need to do this, but I think lots think that they have more power to enforce it than what they actually have and that there aren’t work arounds.

I stopped the best part of a decade ago, if anyone was wondering.

333535 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Noumenon, 5, #1264 of 1601 🔗

Some goon knocked on my door, I just closed it in his face.

333609 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Liam, #1265 of 1601 🔗

He may have been someone who couldn’t get any other work, and was reduced to this demeaning activity. Who can tell?

333510 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Noumenon, 5, #1266 of 1601 🔗

Wife won that battle.

333511 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Noumenon, 3, #1267 of 1601 🔗

Cancelled DD just before end of 2020, upgraded with a Roku and deleted bbci player.

333521 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Noumenon, 1, #1268 of 1601 🔗

I do, also Netflix and Prime, its ridiculous, but I’ve never gone into what I can and can’t watch without a licence

333538 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1269 of 1601 🔗

I just flat out stopped paying. They have zero enforcement powers.

333569 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1270 of 1601 🔗

You can watch anything except live TV, BBC iPlayer and livestreams from TV broadcasters. Eg. live YouTube from sky or itv

333555 ▶▶ james007, replying to Noumenon, 3, #1271 of 1601 🔗

You are supposed to have a licence if you watch or record live TV on ANY channel (even if not BBC!!!) or if you use BBC iPlayer. Johnson made some noises about reforming this, but obviously being the worst prime minister we’ve ever had, unable to make a decision himself, especially one that might upset people (who don’t like him anyway), he will disappoint.

We still have a licence as we watch CBeebies, which is the only output of the BBC which is any good.

333562 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Noumenon, 3, #1272 of 1601 🔗

I stopped a few years ago all the info you need on this forum

https://www.tvlicenceresistance.info/forum/

333622 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Noumenon, 1, #1273 of 1601 🔗

Don’t pay it

333802 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Noumenon, #1274 of 1601 🔗

No.

333506 dommo, 7, #1275 of 1601 🔗

nigel’s not our man after all:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHtlzpj4B88

(in case you thought he might be…)

333519 BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1276 of 1601 🔗

Freedom Airways

https://www.freedomairway.com/

Dolores Cahill and Co

333520 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 33, #1277 of 1601 🔗

Twitter fun. One Jenna tweeted:

“If anyone was wondering I just landed @HeathrowAirport – not one person looked at my locator form, no temperature checks, no hand sanitizer in several of the dispensers I tried. No mention of the track and trace app anywhere. In Bahrain even supermarkets had these basics set up.”

Can’t really see why anyone would “wonder” whether Jenna landed at Heathrow. But Susan Michie, psychologist, responded:

“These stories make you want to weep. And why is the Government refusing to fix its broken #TestTraceIsolate system or even speak about it despite £12+ billion spent on it? This is essential part of driving down transmission to prevent further variants, possibly vaccine-resistant”

I’m having trouble trying to imagine this. You land at an airport and no-one gives you the big going over – and this would make Susan want to weep?

 It makes me want to weep – although not for the same reason!

333575 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to George Mc, 11, #1278 of 1601 🔗

Upticked. Anything that makes that woman want to weep is a good thing

333642 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to JohnB, 6, #1279 of 1601 🔗

She should have been drowned at birth.. what a waste of oxygen!

333800 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to George Mc, 2, #1280 of 1601 🔗

Once the virus is endemic track and trace is useless (even supposing it worked logistically). Also track and trace superimposed on a high Ct PCR is even more useless. Just shows what a useless chump Michie is.

333525 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 23, #1281 of 1601 🔗

From a video on FB (forwarded to me, I don’t do FB)

Dominion voting machines analysed:
2.7 million trump votes deleted nationwide wide
221000 Pennsylvania Trump votes switched to Biden
941000 Pennsylvania Trump votes deleted
435000 Trump votes switched to Biden nationwide.

Don’t know if it will make any difference – if the info is verified.

333600 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #1282 of 1601 🔗

Let’s hope it does. It ought to. Who would want a bunch of criminals, prepared to cheat to obtain power, lording it over them?

333613 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Banjones, 3, #1283 of 1601 🔗

any blue voter

333619 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1284 of 1601 🔗

Seems that way!

333526 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 34, #1285 of 1601 🔗

Decided to escape into a past life and dance around the kitchen to Level 42 at a deafening volume. God, that felt good. F*cking lockdown can’t take that away from me.

333543 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Liz F, 5, #1286 of 1601 🔗

Get Over It by the Eagles for me – on full pelt in the car.

333590 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to kh1485, 7, #1287 of 1601 🔗

Yes! Sometimes (“due to Covid”) I just get in the car and drive, singing along to my favourite music. Sad but true.

333610 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Liz F, 6, #1288 of 1601 🔗

Walked past a couple singing their heads off in the car, window down, at the lights yesterday. I would have joined in if I’d known what it was they were singing!

333626 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Liz F, 2, #1289 of 1601 🔗

Yep, just need respite don’t we? Because of the bollocks, I haven’t really listened to much music but I’m grateful to you and JHUNTZ (who earlier posted a film with the Bee Gees’ Stayin’ Alive on) for reminding me about the restorative effects of listening to a classic pop song!

333561 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Liz F, 3, #1290 of 1601 🔗

I loved them. Thanks for reminding me.

333573 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to Liz F, 4, #1291 of 1601 🔗

Very loud music. Always good at banishing anger.

333696 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to suitejb, 1, #1292 of 1601 🔗

Or, conversely, firing you up for the fight ahead.

333605 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Liz F, 4, #1293 of 1601 🔗

Level 42’s “I want eyes” lyrics resonate with me now. But a good ‘ole singsong with music belting out always feels good. The neighbours are used to it…sometimes they join in.

333527 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 18, #1294 of 1601 🔗

If anyone has reddit you can go on r/covidvaccinated and r/gotthevaccine to see some of the side effects being reported. You should be able to google this if you don’t have the app.

A really interesting side effect that i’ve never heard mentioned before was many people reporting depression and in some cases suicidal thoughts. Then see this article Suicide halts Brazil trial of Chinese vaccine attacked by Bolsonaro | Reuters

I have absolutely no idea why anyone under 65 would get the vaccine.

333597 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #1295 of 1601 🔗

Just a couple of suggestions to show how we’re being coerced:
1 Because we may not be able to travel otherwise
2 Because of family pressure

333607 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Banjones, 14, #1296 of 1601 🔗

The coercion is going to be much worse than that. I expect to lose my job this year because of it. If we achieve nothing else in 2021, not taking the vaccine has to be top of the list, at all costs.

333634 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Richard O, 5, #1297 of 1601 🔗

There was a government committee not long ago where the ruled out coercion for the vaccine. Not that we can trust them much at this stage but it is something.

333648 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #1298 of 1601 🔗

They were lying. Vaccine coercion is as inevitable as the sunrise.

333656 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #1299 of 1601 🔗

Considering the number of NHS staff who aren’t taking the vaccine, it would be a spectacular own goal by the government if they do decide coercion is a good idea.

333602 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #1300 of 1601 🔗

One virtue-signaller on there with “be kind” emblazoned across her face nappy, posted: Got my vaccine yesterday and I was so excited I could cry!
Jeez, get a life!!!!

And here’s someone who had the Moderna jab:

I am very excited to have gotten it and I just hope that the distribution to 1B starts ASAP as there is very little information available for the non medical world about when and where that will be which is such a shame.
I would choose getting vaccinated a billion times over rather than risking getting covid and basically playing the Russian roulette. I still don’t understand how anyone can feel differently, but I guess people will always think they are invincible.

333615 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1301 of 1601 🔗

Natural selection in action. These fucking idiots are literally removing themselves from the gene pool. They will not be missed.

333637 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1302 of 1601 🔗

Reddit is the worst social media cesspit.

333729 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1303 of 1601 🔗

Closely followed by Twatter and PooTube.

333808 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DRW, 1, #1304 of 1601 🔗

Not to mention Faecebook.

333640 ▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1305 of 1601 🔗

They feel differently because they have a BMI of 20, fatso

333646 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1306 of 1601 🔗

The projection is strong in this one.

333647 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1307 of 1601 🔗

IIRC psychiatric episodes were reported with Tamiflu, the ineffective medication rushed out during the swine flu “pandemic”.

333548 Jo, 5, #1308 of 1601 🔗

If you guys haven’t seen this, it is good.

https://in-this-together.com/what-if-conspiracy-theory-is-true/

It would be good if it had been written a few weeks ago, but it was published on 13 February.

333557 p02099003, 15, #1309 of 1601 🔗

Kiers for tiers

333558 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 29, #1310 of 1601 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55503852

Coronavirus: Twelve fined for playing dominoes in Tier 4 breach

Twelve people have been fined after they were caught playing dominoes in a restaurant in east London. Police officers found the group hiding in a dark room when they entered the building in Whitechapel on Tuesday. The owner initially claimed those inside were workers, before admitting they were playing the game. Tower Hamlets Council has been asked to consider issuing a fine to the owner of the restaurant for breaching tier four Covid-19 restrictions, the Met said. A video released by the Met shows the restaurant owner saying: “They’re playing dominoes.”

Ch Insp Pete Shaw said: “The rules under tier four are in place to keep all of us safe, and they do not exempt people from gathering to play games together in basements. “The fact that these people hid from officers clearly shows they knew they were breaching the rules and have now been fined for their actions.”

Surely comment is superfluous?

333563 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to George Mc, 27, #1311 of 1601 🔗

Nevertheless I will make a comment. What is most astonishing about the above story isn’t so much the soul crushing pedantic stupidity of it but the fact we are being told about it. “Look” this report says, “ You must not meet even for a game of dominoes! You must not meet at all! And know that we will be watching! And we never sleep!

333581 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to George Mc, 10, #1312 of 1601 🔗

They were probably talking to each other and sharing dangerous ideas..

333592 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Wolver, 9, #1313 of 1601 🔗

They may even have been….. s i n g i n g……

333577 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to George Mc, 13, #1314 of 1601 🔗

Even Hitler would’ve struggled to impose that!

333587 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to George Mc, 7, #1315 of 1601 🔗

Surely comment is superfluous?

It sounds like they can’t put two and two together.

333895 ▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Tee Ell, #1316 of 1601 🔗

Chapeau!

333591 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to George Mc, 31, #1317 of 1601 🔗

I’ll have to remember this the next time I have to call the rozzers when my shop is burgled – “hello, 999, there’s a game of dominoes going on …” “We’ll be right there …”

333649 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to George Mc, 3, #1318 of 1601 🔗

How do you play dominoes in the dark?

333655 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1319 of 1601 🔗

Glow in the dark dots.

333666 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to George Mc, 6, #1320 of 1601 🔗

You can just see the pride Pete Shaw has in carrying out his masters work. Keep on alienating the public Met police.

I would be ashamed to put my name to a statement criticising dominoes players as being a risk to the public!

333691 ▶▶ PW, replying to George Mc, 3, #1321 of 1601 🔗

But it’s ok for the police to turn up in massed ranks to arrest some and disperse other lockdown protesters??? Saturday in Hyde Park…..

333568 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 23, #1322 of 1601 🔗

Bastards – look at what they have done. Just leave the kids alone you fuckwits.

Youth organisations in England face wholesale closure Two-thirds of small groups at risk as pandemic leaves 1.5 million young people in critical need of help

England faces a wholesale closure of youth organisations, leaving a generation of vulnerable young people without life-changing support, according to research.
Almost two-thirds of youth organisations with incomes under £250,000 say they are at risk of closure, with 31% saying they might have to shut in the next six months.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jan/03/youth-organisations-in-england-face-wholesale-closure

333586 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 17, #1323 of 1601 🔗

My daughters gymnastics group, which has been going 25 years, had to crowd fund rent money till the end of 2020. They ma aged it but I don’t think they’ll be able to see it through. The local community hall is also running a crowd funder as it’s struggling too.

333598 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1324 of 1601 🔗

Why would anyone in favour of this insanity give a flying fuck about stuff like this? They don’t care.

333643 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1325 of 1601 🔗

But if everyone had just masked up and stayed the fuck home this wouldn’t be happening!

So sayeth thousands.

333572 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #1326 of 1601 🔗

And so it begins https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/eyres-monsell-primary-school-leicester-4851682 , they’re running a poll as to whether the city’s schools should open, 71% say no

333594 ▶▶ Will, replying to p02099003, 32, #1327 of 1601 🔗

Idiots. My daughter has just finished chemotherapy, her rituximab blood cell therapy, that bleaches her B cells, is just starting to kick in and she is being encouraged to go to school. The government has created this crazy level of hysteria around kids going to school, covid is 15 times less likely to result in a child being hospitalised than influenza.

333585 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 24, #1328 of 1601 🔗

Don’t Fuck about with those that call you out for not wearing a muzzle,myself and fellow sceptics have given out plenty of knuckle sandwiches,to those hungry enough to want feeding….

333624 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #1329 of 1601 🔗

You ever thought about turning up at a SAGE meeting?

333632 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to TJN, 13, #1330 of 1601 🔗

Certainly wouldn’t be taking the dusters, chainsaw oiled up and ready to go..

333636 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 12, #1331 of 1601 🔗

Can you imagine the look on Whitty’s/Hancock’s faces …

333611 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1332 of 1601 🔗

For those of us who have been puzzling about the lack of cases on the NOIDS report, apparently that one was from GPs.

Here’s the other one, in all its PCR glory: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948148/NOIDSOrganismsReport29122020.pdf

Thanks to the Sceptic who posted it earlier and sorry that I’ve forgotten who it was!

333616 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1333 of 1601 🔗

It was
Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown)

333631 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1334 of 1601 🔗

I didn’t want to but ‘‘twas me

333651 ▶▶ Suey, replying to Cheezilla, #1335 of 1601 🔗

These are just positive tests, no? While the ‘other’ NOIDS report refers to actual clinical diagnoses?

333706 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Suey, 1, #1336 of 1601 🔗

I think it all just proves the impossibility of obtaining an honest and accurate picture.

333711 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Suey, 1, #1337 of 1601 🔗

Correct. I have seen patient’s records which says positive result, PHE informed, no need for infectious disease notification.

333614 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 26, #1338 of 1601 🔗

Nurse Duffel (@DuffelLaura) and Adrian Chiles (@adrianchiles9) twitter accounts appear to have had all tweets deleted. Oh dear, getting a bit hot peddling disinformation is it?

333621 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 16, #1339 of 1601 🔗

Except that the lie they peddled has circulated throughout MSM and is now the truth.

333735 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #1340 of 1601 🔗

I misspelled it should be @DuffellLaura. Tweets still there -sorry.

333618 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 14, #1341 of 1601 🔗

This society is finished.

333625 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to rockoman, 27, #1342 of 1601 🔗

Good. It was shit anyway, but even an arch-cynic like me had no idea just how bad things really are. Covid has merely revealed the grotesque that was always there.

333620 dommo, 6, #1343 of 1601 🔗

new for 2021 – let’s have a covid death audit!

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/trump-rages-when-doubt-call-it-covid-pressure-clean-death-toll-mounts

more lies to add the ever lengthening list…

333628 danny, replying to danny, 26, #1344 of 1601 🔗

Have been in contact with the head of Brighton council over the illegal closure of primary schools in contradiction of government policy and the failure to provide a full risk assessment as required.
All I have received is an email telling me how “dangerous” Covid is, but nothing more.
Are there any local solicitors out there willing to help pursue this?
Feel like I am tackling this clear abuse of power alone, but it could be an important victory if won.

333645 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to danny, 2, #1345 of 1601 🔗

Might be worth getting your local LADO’s view on it all…

LSCB@Brighton-hove.gov.uk

333679 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1346 of 1601 🔗

Thanks for that. Have just emailed them now.

333665 ▶▶ JME, replying to danny, 2, #1347 of 1601 🔗

pcrclaims.co.uk?

333806 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to danny, 1, #1348 of 1601 🔗

As another poster suggests, perhaps you could try PCR Claims. It’s my belief that the lockdown mania will be ended partly by numerous small claims against non-governmental bodies (schools, workplaces etc). I hate the ambulance chasing culture but in this instance, my enemy’s enemy is my friend.

333811 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to danny, 1, #1349 of 1601 🔗

UsforThem might be able to help, I know they are in contact with lawyers already. They may do a mass challenge against all councils who go down this route.

333638 Will, replying to Will, 15, #1350 of 1601 🔗

I am amused by the calls for teachers to be prioritised for the dodgy prophylactics. There will be some grunting and grinding as they struggle to find reverse gear…

333660 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Will, 5, #1351 of 1601 🔗

Not holding my breath, Will, given the Government’s propensity to U-turn at the first sign of a poll, but the whole point of the prophylactic/therapeutic masquerading as ‘the vaccine’ is to minimise hospitalisation and death, aka ‘Save our NHS’. Teachers, other than those with serious underlying health issues, should therefore be near the back of the queue. It is just another de facto strike designed to keep schools closed until they have had the second shot in 3 months time. Then they will be calling for all the kids to be vaccinated before they feel safe. Given that no trials have yet taken place for any of the vaccines on under 16s (nobody under 18 for the Oxford/AZ vaccine) that would give them cover for rolling strikes into 2022.

333675 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Will, 2, #1352 of 1601 🔗

There’s a petition on the Petitions UK page for prioritising teachers and other staff in education settings. It’s got a lot of support over 222,000 signatures.

333776 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ambwozere, #1353 of 1601 🔗

As long as they don’t make it compulsory.

333774 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Will, 3, #1354 of 1601 🔗

Perhaps some social media posters will troll the accounts of their union reps. ” Oh you brave, stunning, fearless teachers, please have the vaccine first. You are such heroes!” Any sanctimonious twaddle will do, troll their socks off.
We should start a campaign to make sure they get the vaccine.

333639 TJN, replying to TJN, 37, #1355 of 1601 🔗

Just found out that I’m supposed to wear a ‘face covering’ when dropping off my three-year-old at nursery tomorrow. Will I fuck. Fuming about it though.

As we sit here in early January things do indeed look very, very black.

So fucking what. Just keep going.

333653 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to TJN, 9, #1356 of 1601 🔗

I feel your anger and disgust. My children’s primary instigated this in October. I have never worn a face rag and never will and it makes me so shocked even 2 months later to see all the other idiotic parents dutifully wearing them outside. There is section on the LD forum area re testing in schools and someone posted that on the “us for them” website are templates you can send to the school or in your case nursery re masks to pick up and drop off child, if you’re interested.

333657 ▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to Sodastream, 5, #1357 of 1601 🔗

Yes we had the same around November, haven’t worn one at all and think it has encouraged a few others. Drop off is in playground so how they think will help is beyond me…

333673 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to norfolksceptic, 5, #1358 of 1601 🔗

Same as me, except I’ve failed to encourage anyone else.

So what. I’m at the point of believing this lot don’t deserve saving from anything.

333670 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Sodastream, 6, #1359 of 1601 🔗

Yes, supposed to wear one to drop my other little one at primary school. I’m the only parent who doesn’t.

The headmaster has already had a lengthy rebuff from Mr and Mrs TJN. I saw that Usforthem template a few days ago. Will probably just send it as in to the nursery.

333719 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to TJN, 1, #1360 of 1601 🔗

This has been the case for a while at my grandsons’ nurseries but just go exempt and you will be fine.

333779 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TJN, 3, #1361 of 1601 🔗

They introduced that at my kids school. Exempt.

333652 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1362 of 1601 🔗

Just in case you weren’t aware that we live in a police state:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hei6WfowtNQ

333663 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1363 of 1601 🔗

Goons, they have been training for this. I bet they are very proud of themselves.

333658 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 16, #1364 of 1601 🔗

“Echo chamber”. It’s a phrase often used by the BBC to describe not itself but others who shut themselves off from contrary opinion. No doubt the phrase would be used of lockdown sceptics, although, as we know, we sceptics have a very broad range of opinion among ourselves and we don’t ignore the opinion of lockdown ideologues, we analyse and disprove the rubbish stats and wonky science they serve up .

I just wanted to point out how Twitter achieve a PC echo chamber effect (this being something I’ve not seen referenced here or anywhere else). Twitter have three tranches of reply for tweets that receive multiple replies: 1. Replies 2. More replies and 3. More replies that may contain offensive language.

Now Twitter clearly have some algorithm that allows them to sort all Twitter users into Pro PC/pro-Left pigs and anti-PC/anti-Left goats. Presumably they can do this by analysing your links, key words you use, and symbols you display.

So what happens when you click on “replies” for an “issue of the day” is you don’t get a mix of replies you get close to to 100% pro PC/Left replies. If there are lots of replies you will have to wade through hundreds of PC comments before you get the opportunity to click on “more replies”, where the majority of non-PC replies are consigned. If you click again on the so called “offensive” replies you won’t find much abusive language, merely trenchant replies.

So Twitter is designed to be an echo chamber.

Meanwhile Facebook has taken down the “Biden Not My President” group which had 1.6 million members…while the 4 year old “Trump Not My President”group is still there after 4 years!

The social media giants are having an evil effect on our society.

333672 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to OKUK, 12, #1365 of 1601 🔗

How can I shut myself off from alternative views in an echo chamber? Would love to know as every aspect of the society I live in runs contrary to my thoughts and feelings. It’s wall-to-wall fucking propaganda.

333681 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1366 of 1601 🔗

It’s true, especially if you work and engage with society. You won’t find a play or film that doesn’t promote PC values. In your workplace, whether it’s public sector or a sizeable private sector firm you will be PCfied morning noon and night. If you switch on your regional TV news programme, whether BBC or ITV, you will be swamped with it. Pop into your local library or attend a professional football at home and it’s the same…

For the PC left pro-globalists it’s just one huge echo chamber!

333659 Basics, replying to Basics, 20, #1367 of 1601 🔗

Off label vaccines. From twitter:

“Just received this email cancelling my 2nd dose of the Pfizer vaccine. On the basis of UK government guidance yesterday. This means that the vaccine is not being delivered as licensed. I DID NOT consent to receive an off-label drug with NO evidence of benefit with a single dose.”
https://twitter.com/farrell_katrina/status/1344610377565405184?s=20

Dr Farrell continues:


This means that tens of thousands of Scottish & UK health & social care workers have rolled their sleeve up for a vaccine unlicensed at this dose schedule. For which they did not consent. This is a scandal.
@Channel4News
@guardian
@BBCScotlandNews
@Laurie_Garrett
@DrGregorSmith”

There is much more on the thread.

333667 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 12, #1368 of 1601 🔗

I’m amazed that they are not enthusiastically peddling the “pick ‘n’ mix” Pfizer 1st dose + AstraZeneca 2nd dose that is now being pushed.

There is no substantial evidence of benefit for any number of doses of any of these vaccines. The clinical trials have not been sufficient to establish this. It’s a global medical experiment, and they have all fallen for it. Fuck them.

333686 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 9, #1369 of 1601 🔗

Yes, Dr, Farrell is up in arms that the efficacy and safety of spreading out the two doses hasn’t been tested but she seems perfectly OK with the emergency use authorization of a vaccine that hasn’t been properly tested at even one dose. I’m having trouble mustering up any empathy.

333668 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basics, 6, #1370 of 1601 🔗

“Off label” is an odd term for her to use. It’s the Pfizer vaccine not being administered in accordance with manufacturer recommendations.

What I’d like to know is how many NHS staff are actually having the vaccine.
Delaying the second doses will help the government keep that information secret for longer.

Also, I think Whitty and Co are seriously concerned about the number of deaths that will occur among the very elderly and frail when they receive the second dose, which is the really challenging dose.

333674 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 3, #1371 of 1601 🔗

Has anyone established what the reason is for the delay in the second Pfizer dose? Is it the supply chain?

333678 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Richard O, 7, #1372 of 1601 🔗

No idea. It doesn’t make any sense. Why would pfizer send a vaccine that requires two doses within 21 days of each but not deliver the second dose. Surely for every first dose there is a second dose otherwise why send it?

333689 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 7, #1373 of 1601 🔗

I think someone on that thread made a very good point — if they spread out the two doses they can get twice as many vaccinated right out of the gate. It’s all optics. The supply chain interruption explanation also makes sense.

333692 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #1374 of 1601 🔗

Yes, the goal is to get as many vaccinated as possible to enable the digital immunity passport. That only one Pfizer dose by their own admission is completely ineffective is neither here nor there.

333728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Richard O, 4, #1375 of 1601 🔗

That makes some sense. However, I have a feeling there is a reluctance to administer the second dose right now as it seems to be the real kicker (fear of too many ADRs maybe?). Conspiracy land this is though.

333763 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1376 of 1601 🔗

Not really conspiracy — CDC confirmed a few days ago. There are, in fact, more ADRs after the second dose.

333733 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to OKUK, 2, #1377 of 1601 🔗

I remember seeing a tweet on Twitter that stated due to the lack of uptake of this vaccine, maybe the Pfzier one, by front line NHS staff that they were having to give it to back office staff due to the need to keep it at such a low temperature. So I think uptake in the NHS may not be that good.

333737 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Ambwozere, 5, #1378 of 1601 🔗

Blimey.. is it that much colder in the back office..

333756 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to George L, 6, #1379 of 1601 🔗

Given the glacial pace at which they do any work, yes.

333755 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to OKUK, 1, #1380 of 1601 🔗

Technically, it’s the legally approved mode of usage that’s defined by the label. Any physician can use a medicine off label, but the liability is switched to the prescriber from the license holder. M not surprised Pfizer aren’t happy to be honest.

333759 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to OKUK, 1, #1381 of 1601 🔗

Re your last para, that also occurred to me but I wondered if I was being overly suspicious. If they do now fear there may be serious consequences from the second dose are they now playing a long waiting game to see what happens to everyone given the second dose after three weeks in the US?

333715 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Basics, 7, #1382 of 1601 🔗

More fool them for going along with it, it’s not as though it could possibly have been tested properly or that the whole year hasn’t been a completely obvious shitshow.

Some may think I’m harsh, but I have no sympathy at all; we are having our lives and rights trampled, our legitimate views derided and dismissed, and these people are facilitating it.

333738 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Basics, 3, #1383 of 1601 🔗

One thing that is puzzling me: The use of the word “approved” in relation to the vaccine. Is “approved” the same as licenced? All the information I can find studiously seems to avoid the use of “licenced” which makes me think that “approved” is not the same as “licenced”.

Can anyone clarify the use of these two words please?

333761 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #1384 of 1601 🔗

The MHRA have granted Pfizer approval for the vaccine to be used against a carefully defined label. I believe the use is for emergency at this stage. Pfizer can supply it but they can’t sell it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

333768 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to djaustin, 5, #1385 of 1601 🔗

Emergency use authorization, which means if you consent to it you’re really part of a vaccine trial. Informed consent is not really possible since nobody has the faintest idea whether there are medium- to long-term consequences of taking this vaccine.

333807 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to djaustin, #1386 of 1601 🔗

Thanks for the link. That clarifies a great deal for me.

333766 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #1387 of 1601 🔗

My understanding is it hasn’t been licensed the way a prescription medicine normally is because it hasn’t gone through all the phases of clinical trials yet. But it has been given emergency approval.
Emergency approval is normally given where a drug might be going through clinical trials so is not fully assessed but the patient is deemed to have a pressing need e.g. has cancer and you can’t delay treatment to see what the outcome of the trials would be.

333661 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1388 of 1601 🔗

Reading this new article 18 dec, it seems to exists antibodies which increases the attachment of the virus. So even if you had antibodies (i.e. post vaccination) against the receptor binding domain(RBD) which prevent you from being infected , these other antibodies against other part of the spike protein increases instead the risk of infection. The most puzzling thing is also that these antibodies is found in some non-infected persons although at low level. This might be a problem for the vaccine. On the one hand you have good antibodies preventing infection but you might also produce antibodies increasing the risk of infection.This is my non virologist reading of this. Can someone more knowledgeable help me out? Guy 123?
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.18.423358v1 An infectivity-enhancing site on the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is targeted by COVID-19 patient antibodies“Here, we screened a series of anti-spike monoclonal antibodies from COVID-19 patients, and found that some of antibodies against the N-terminal domain (NTD) dramatically enhanced the binding capacity of the spike protein to ACE2, and thus increased SARS-CoV2 infectivity. Surprisingly, mutational analysis revealed that all the infectivity-enhancing antibodies recognized a specific site on the surface of the NTD. The antibodies against this infectivity-enhancing site were detected in all samples of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in the study”“These findings suggest that the production of antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 infectivity-enhancing site could be considered as a possible exacerbating factors for COVID-19 and that a spike protein lacking such antibody epitopes may be required for safe vaccine development, especially for individuals with pre-existing enhancing antibodies.”

333772 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1390 of 1601 🔗

Thanks for the link! This is a very interesting discovery.

They have discovered enhancing antibodies (ones that make it easier for the virus to get into cells) in real patients and identified the part of the spike they stick to. They also reckon that you could delete that part in vaccine generated spikes and this might make a safer vaccine.

What is less clear is how significant these bad antibodies are in real life. They found different ratios of good and bad antibodies in different patients but they couldn’t draw any conclusions about whether this was correlated with severity. Perhaps they just didn’t have the data.

I would really like to see them try to replicate this for SARS1 because if something similar is going on there (only worse) it might be implicated in vaccine enhanced disease that was routinely seen with SARS1 vaccine attempts. If we could understand that process better we could have much more confidence about how likely it is to happen with SARS2 vaccines and even design around it.

They did find very low levels of bad antibodies in some uninfected individuals. These can’t have come from other HCoVs as they don’t have that specific “epitopes” on their spike. But there are all sorts of other viruses I guess they might have come from. It’s not clear that (good) cross-immunity to SARS2 actually comes from other HCoVs either.

It’s also possible that the existence of bad cross immunity is what makes covid worse in some people than others. This has been hypothesised before. But the correlation with old age and comorbidities is so strong that there is no strong reason to look for anything else. Severity of disease in younger people may well be partly related to existing immunity but I would think lack of good immunity is still a priori more likely than presence of bad immunity.

333892 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to guy153, #1391 of 1601 🔗

Thanks for giving this useful information

333664 dommo, replying to dommo, 15, #1392 of 1601 🔗

the very latest from the main man, Reiner Fuellmich:-

https://www.brighteon.com/f3234440-3017-4ae2-8612-d676bd316be1

gotta love this guy!

333821 ▶▶ leggy, replying to dommo, #1393 of 1601 🔗

Excellent, may the force be with him.

333669 ZigZag, replying to ZigZag, 2, #1394 of 1601 🔗

A nice new form for people in Scotland to report breaches:

https://www.scotland.police.uk/secureforms/covid19/

I know there are a lot of officers absent at the moment so can’t see how any of these ‘reports’ will ever be followed up on.

I can see certain people using this without any knowledge of people’s circumstances.

333695 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to ZigZag, 6, #1395 of 1601 🔗

Could use it to send them on a merry dance though…

333718 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1396 of 1601 🔗

Yeah, reporting lots of illicit dominoes games going on …

333739 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 3, #1397 of 1601 🔗

Domino effect??

333752 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 2, #1398 of 1601 🔗

Or made up addresses, like a US postal vote.

333722 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1399 of 1601 🔗

Yes, one of the options on the form is to report a scam or fraud…..

333727 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1400 of 1601 🔗

haha thats is just superb. If I didn’t think i’d be tracked id report COVID 19.

333754 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1401 of 1601 🔗

Hey, we can report the BBC. And Laura Duffel.

333804 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to ZigZag, 1, #1402 of 1601 🔗

Report the wee Frankie for non masking at the funeral

333805 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to vargas99, 1, #1403 of 1601 🔗

I meant wee Krankie!

333676 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 65, #1404 of 1601 🔗

I’d like to offer the lockdown ultras a deal. Here it is.

We do it your way. We go all in. Uber lockdown. All the way. We go Automatic, Systematic, Hydromatic Lockdownamatic. Fully automated luxury lockdown. Everybody, and I mean every body, stays at home for a month. No exceptions, after all otherwise we’re killing people right?

So. The hospitals empty out. Everyone goes home, patients and staff. Care homes? Everyone goes home. Power station workers? Stay home. Water and sewage treatment? Same. Ambulance drivers? Same. No shops open. No police. No nuclear power station control room technicians.

Fall down the stairs at home? Stay there. Giving birth or miscarrying? Tough. Kidney dialysis? Don’t be so selfish. Your child or your spouse dies? Well it’s only a month at home with their rotting corpse, no power, heating or water. What’s the problem?

Deal? After all if it saves one life, right?

333682 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #1405 of 1601 🔗

Superb stuff. Except that one month is not enough. It needs to be for six months at least. Whoever survives wins the prize.

333694 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #1406 of 1601 🔗

I’d ignore it. Never going back to lockdown, not ever. Fuck ’em.

333700 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Nick Rose, 12, #1407 of 1601 🔗

They want lockdown? They can have it good and hard. And pay the full fare for it. If they don’t fancy it they’re lying hypocrites, though we know that anyway.

333875 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1408 of 1601 🔗

Yep. PROPER lockdown. No exceptions, right?

333680 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1409 of 1601 🔗

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/piecemeal-data-releases-threaten-undermine-100324111.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL1pIT2hGczZWRVg_YW1wPTE&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACCtA37_ImTOhkF-PQcDmnO1h0oyTb4o2o8Yk3gk9-RKV4eOgxUsVyg03xF0AdWCDCHRi-QzUv06P4u2JS9bKZ3XMVWt65IYu_6usf8u-sDu82-TRp3XLZ2p_9r8eraG4FJ0M3L-cT_HMUEJdFo_f8zpsKM2tDneM6NuPhtUl7ch This is a report from Yahoo news about the Sinovac the Chinese vaccine a competitor to the UK,US and Russian vaccines. It might be rigged against a competitor but interesting if you bear this in mind. The Chinese vaccine is a more old-fashioned vaccine just dead virus and more similar to the old flu vaccine (if I am correct in the interpretation of data). It has advantages being easier to administer and not needing -70 C etc as for the other vaccines. It might have less side effects with such a traditional vaccine than the new ones. But is it effective? The report has many doubts. But this is a big question as many enormous  populous non Western countries are buying this vaccine, massively  ie Turkey, Indonesia and Brazil

333748 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1410 of 1601 🔗

They’ve yet to release absolute numbers, only percentage. So although efficacy looks reasonable, and higher than Ox/AZ, the confidence in that efficacy remains to be seen. I expect all will be fine, but we will see.

333684 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 26, #1411 of 1601 🔗

Keep your eye out US 6th Jan, things are about to heat up, election fraud is beyond doubt in fact it’s massive,US public now realizing how deep the corruption runs.. this is a fight to the finish and my money’s on Trump…

333688 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #1412 of 1601 🔗

If true, I hope they get to the bottom of it quickly and proper examples are made of the guilty. I’m assuming that any such trial will be a Federal one, which means no wriggling out of it by the State courts.

333698 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #1413 of 1601 🔗

Oh it’s true my friend, check out Newsmax,Lou Dobbs,NTD Georgia senate hearings,and numerous US feeds, British MSM keeping it’s mouth shut…

333832 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #1414 of 1601 🔗

It’s not you I disbelieve.

333699 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #1415 of 1601 🔗

Either that or it will be the final death of the QAnon fantasy. We’ll see.

333704 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Richard O, 3, #1416 of 1601 🔗

To much video and forensic evidence, together with thousands of sworn affidavits to be a Q Anon fantasy..

333703 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1417 of 1601 🔗

A lot of information to be had on Youtube – Front Page, and also Newsmax.

333713 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1418 of 1601 🔗

As much as I’d like to see him pull through I’m not getting my hopes up, enough have probably been bought off.

333724 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to DRW, 3, #1419 of 1601 🔗

me either.

333773 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1420 of 1601 🔗

I hope you’re right. Orange man many times better than the alternative.

333788 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #1421 of 1601 🔗

This is a good summary of why one senator will vote for against the electoral college result.
https://youtu.be/EXminByXWq4

333809 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1422 of 1601 🔗

And more waiting in the wings ready to speak out when the time comes…

333687 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 6, #1423 of 1601 🔗

This Is How It Happens. A study of men in Hitler’s Germany… | by Colin Horgan | GEN
https://gen.medium.com/this-is-how-it-happens-c289765df373

Plus ca change…
And how and why the people succumb to the tyrrants everywhere these days.
One small, stricter step after the other, also to always keep things in motion.

333734 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JayBee, 5, #1424 of 1601 🔗

Describes the current situation exactly but many people even on here,keep attributing this to incompetence.

333828 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JayBee, 6, #1425 of 1601 🔗

For the majority in Hitler’s Germany, life initially got better. It was an improvement on before. Don’t forget that democracy in Germany had only been established with the Weimar Republic in early 1919.

What is happening now relies on the continuation of the fear narrative. It was already breaking down before they hit on Scary New Variant narrative, supported by what I suspect is an increased cycle count on the PCR test.

Nothing better is on offer, so any attempt to make this permanent is doomed to failure. I’ll be very surprised if this is, or was, Johnson’s motivation, whatever the conspiracy theorists like to believe. Or Truthers, or whatever TF they call themselves these days.

333693 Les Tricoteuses, 8, #1426 of 1601 🔗

New York trying to pass Assembly Bill A416. Relates to the removal of cases, contacts and carriers of communicable diseases who are potentially dangerous to public health.

Note the potentially in there, if passed the NY authorities will be able to detain anyone anytime they like. Terrifying stuff.
Tim Pool does an excellent breakdown,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4dMuLJsVJRk

333701 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 3, #1427 of 1601 🔗

Has there been any follow up on the Duffel woman’s lies yet?
(Been out of the loop today so I may be way behind!)

333705 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Banjones, 2, #1428 of 1601 🔗

A commenter a little earlier reported that all of the related posts on her Twitter account have been removed.

333709 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Richard O, 2, #1429 of 1601 🔗

they are still there

333712 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1430 of 1601 🔗

Can you link, I couldn’t find any

333721 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #1431 of 1601 🔗
333730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1432 of 1601 🔗

Thanks, I mistyped only put in 2 L not 3! My mistake got another account with no tweets. Irony that I spread fake news complaining about fake news. Will update my other post.

333717 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 18, #1433 of 1601 🔗

Oddly Marianna Spring seems uninterested in this example of Covid related disinformation. Strange, you’d think it would be right up her street: disinformation disguised as expert opinion designed to produce an emotional reaction that makes you act differently from how you would otherwise.

333740 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to OKUK, 3, #1434 of 1601 🔗

Uncanny. I’m sure she’ll be on the case any minute now.

333769 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, 2, #1435 of 1601 🔗

I might pluck up courage and send her an email. I’m sure it’s just the in that I’ve been waiting for. She won’t be able to resist.

333707 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Banjones, 6, #1436 of 1601 🔗

not officially but some medical people took her to task. At one point she actually used the phrase “if it saves one life”.

333710 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #1437 of 1601 🔗

Or ‘the ends justify the means’

333749 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #1438 of 1601 🔗

Someone should tell her never to drive a car in case she runs someone over. If it saves one life.

333702 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 23, #1439 of 1601 🔗

Good evening everyone,

Tonight, we have received at 5.05pm an email from my daughter’s Primary School confirming the opening of the school tomorrow, followed just now at 9.04 pm with an updated risk assessment. Some of you may recall I’ve already had a tete-a-tete with the acting head, following her decision to request parents wear masks at drop-off/pick-up inside the School grounds.

The reason I wanted to share the updated risk assessment, is that the first page sets out pretty unequivocally that masks in Schools are not recommended by the Government in their advice to schools.

Best regards

Simon

333723 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to SimonCook, 1, #1440 of 1601 🔗

Hi Simon.

Can you link to a PDF of the doc?

Cheers.

333741 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1441 of 1601 🔗

Hi Jonny

Hmm, not sure. It was an attachment sent in an email from the acting head. I have it as a PDF and have opened it in Adobe Acrobat.

Happy to email it to you!

Cheers

Simon

333746 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1442 of 1601 🔗

Hi Jonny,

Sorry! I should have checked this first before replying to you. It’s been put up on the School’s website so the link is below…

https://primarysite-prod-sorted.s3.amazonaws.com/st-dominic-savio-catholic-primary-school/UploadedDocument/e3e5b269d6f740cc82693c014f9e62d8/sds-covid-19-full-re-opening-risk-assessment-january-2021-v-10.pdf

333726 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to SimonCook, 1, #1443 of 1601 🔗

Dated for the Sept 2020 opening?

333742 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), 2, #1444 of 1601 🔗

Hi Sarigan,

The document runs to 32 pages and that was the first page that I posted.
This is the email that accompanied it.

Dear Parents

Following my earlier email, please now find attached our revised risk assessment for the opening of school. This is also available to view on our website.

Over the coming days and weeks we will continue to review and update this risk assessment, as we have been doing since we first re-opened to the whole school in September. The safety of our pupils and staff is paramount, and we will continue to do all that we can to assure this.

Thank you for your continued support in these unprecedented and difficult times.

Yours faithfully

Mrs J Dunlop
Interim Executive Headteacher

333750 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 286 of lockdown), replying to SimonCook, 3, #1445 of 1601 🔗

Not doubting you at all. Lazy of them not to update the date of the assessment though.

333708 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 13, #1446 of 1601 🔗

p02099003
Below commented that Leicester had 71% of a poll wanting to shut schools.
Well when you’ve got 1.3 people a day entering hospital with covid you’ve just got to shit yourself.

333714 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 5, #1447 of 1601 🔗
333767 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Jonny S., 11, #1448 of 1601 🔗

To be fair, if you’re the 0.3 of a person going in, you are pretty much fucked.

333716 swedenborg, 1, #1449 of 1601 🔗

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1345807768440156160
Good short 2 min presentation of US mortality C-19 different states different SD. Very revealing.

333720 Nobody2021, 6, #1450 of 1601 🔗

Just wanted to put this out there…

333731 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1451 of 1601 🔗

Replying to @DuffellLaura
@AdrianChiles9
and 2 others
Hi Laura – do you have any knowledge of underlying health conditions if children admitted? We have some. Very concerned parents of children with a range of rare diseases who were previously shielding but we’ve been unable to find information to reassure them
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Replying to @camraredisease
@AdrianChiles9
and 2 others
Hi. I can imagine, it must be worrying for alot of families. Colleagues have said children with suppressed immune systems, respiratory conditions and blood disorders seems to be more vulnerable. This is not medically researched though. Just an observation of health workers