2021-01-04

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333958 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1 of 2284 🔗

First!

333963 ▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #2 of 2284 🔗

BBC’s Fake News About Children In Hospitals
Mahyar Tousi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3_zV1AaMIA

As Peter Hitchens says never stop writing your MP – it’s the only protest we’ve got.
Pass every fact you have to them – forward every article from Lockdown Sceptics

333969 ▶▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Stephen Priest, 52, #3 of 2284 🔗

The Great Reset: there are no conspiracies, just coincidences.

World overreacts to a virus, copying communist China in illegal and immoral lockdowns.

Big Tech profits massively from lockdown – censoring any lockdown scepticism

Locksdown clearly don’t work – but they continue

China’s Number One critic Donald J Trump has election he was clearly winning stolen by Democrats, who paused vote count and wheeling in thousands of unsolicited “mail in ballots” – over 90% of which went to Biden.

there are no conspiracies, just coincidences.

334011 ▶▶▶▶ adamsson, replying to Stephen Priest, 33, #4 of 2284 🔗

That’s right it’s not a conspiracy theory when they tell you they are doing it.
Build. Back. Better.

334028 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to adamsson, 64, #5 of 2284 🔗

How on earth did the WEF become a conspiracy theory?
When major political figures across the world all started to use their slogan build back better.
The article is right it’s not a conspiracy theory,it’s a in your face agenda.
Last year WEF signed an accord with the UN.The UN are pushing agenda 21/30.Our government is fully signed up to this.
These propose a revolutionary new way of life of zero carbon and sustainable living.
Government policy apart from Covid has all been heading this way
As we are about to head into a 3rd ruinous lockdown maybe those who run this site should stop publicising sneering lazy articles and do a bit of real journalism.

334102 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #6 of 2284 🔗

Excellent.

334230 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #7 of 2284 🔗

Stephen Priest is mixing up conspiracy theory with conspiracy fact.

334287 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to jonathan Palmer, -5, #8 of 2284 🔗

”… those who run this site…”
Perhaps you should bear in mind that this is not a national newspaper, and you are not paying for it (unless voluntarily). Rather than sneer yourself, you should take yourself off to a site that more suits your exacting standards – and pay for their ”journalism”.

334557 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Banjones, 16, #9 of 2284 🔗

I think I could do it better.Dont you think after 9 months of this maybe journalists should start digging a bit.
As for the MSM they are all bought and paid for.Why as the astronomical costs of lockdowns mount why is there no questioning of even the financial impact.
I’ve heard Toby and because he can’t see an endgame he dismisses any talk of a conspiracy.
You can show all the graphs and complain about all the effects of lockdown and it will have no effect because the government have another agenda.

334638 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #10 of 2284 🔗

If you want your freedom back you have already lost it.

335071 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #11 of 2284 🔗

Toby and James Delingpole have sort of fallen out on this subject, though are still friends.
James is very much in the “this is being done deliberately” camp, but Toby still subscribes to the “cock up” theory.

335307 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to LMS2, 3, #12 of 2284 🔗

It could be a mix of both. Some people worth £100s of billions trying to take over the world plus a large dose of the tragi-comedy ‘Carry On Corona’.

335823 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #13 of 2284 🔗

When the festive celebrations were effectively outlawed the game changed. It was the check-point on a game of chess and because we complied, they learned they can get away with anything. I think the check-mate moment is when they cancel elections then start cracking down on dissent.

I think it’s already too late and websites like this have done a great job soaking up opposition to focus our minds on charts and fluff while the real criminals go unhindered by scrutiny.

I wonder if, at the point our doors are being kicked down by Corona Cops for Crimes against Corona, the likes of Toby and Peter Hitchens are still telling us this is a political cock-up or political careerism (and use statistics to prove it).

334688 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jonathan Palmer, 20, #14 of 2284 🔗

Yes its started to seriously irritate me too. I don’t know what their problem is….can they just not bear to think this can be about anything more than government incompetence? How much further down the road does all this have to go before they acknowledge that darker global forces are at work here. They seem to be in a time warp….thinking its a bit like John Major’s stupid ERM cock up.

336014 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #15 of 2284 🔗

I made the same complaints around a month ago about the likes of Peter Hitchens endlessly calling this a ‘blundering foolish disaster’ while he continuously ignores appeals from his followers to acknowledge the Great Reset and Agenda 21/30. I went as far as to call him false opposition which generated quite a kick-back from skeptics on this site (I’m growing used to this now).

The video linked below is more valuable than months of charts and statistics on this site, and it’s all contained within 12 minutes:

https://worldtruthvideos.org/watch/the-entire-covid-scam-explained-in-under-12-minutes_G5BJNy1SQ2UWIqD.html

335855 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to jonathan Palmer, #16 of 2284 🔗

4th January from worldometers

UK . ……. 58,784 Cases…. 407 deaths
France … 4,022 Case…….. 378 deaths
Italy ……. 10,800 Cases …..348 deaths
Germany .  8,039 Cases ……527deaths

Strange

over 10 times more cases than France with a similar number of deaths

Germany over 100 more deaths 50,000 fewer cases

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

334224 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to adamsson, 6, #17 of 2284 🔗

The biggest conspiracy is the one being pushed by Stephen Priest and it looks like 77th Brigade out in force to give it the thumbs up.

334339 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Rowan, 4, #18 of 2284 🔗

I think he was being sarcastic.

335862 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to leggy, 1, #19 of 2284 🔗

Was he?

334433 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Rowan, 2, #20 of 2284 🔗

I thought he was being ironic. Maybe we’re all a bit touchy this morning?

336175 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to adamsson, 1, #21 of 2284 🔗

Or 6uild 6ack 6etter as someone memorably spelt it here! And if ever Hammer House of Horror Films was in need of someone to fill the starring role of a cloven-hooofed Satan, then I think Karl Schwab is the guy. I mean, if you met him in real life what would you think? Effing weirdo, obviously and you’d run a mile from having anything to do with him!! So why is virtually every world, religious, philanthropic and business leader on the planet kowtowing to this weirdo who has never been able to claim ownership of an original thought?

334216 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Stephen Priest, 6, #22 of 2284 🔗

Of course, there are conspiracies. Is Bill Gates just a coincidence?

334422 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Stephen Priest, #23 of 2284 🔗

Sorry down voted due to fat finger trouble. I completely agree!

335126 ▶▶▶▶ Jane C in France, replying to Stephen Priest, 3, #24 of 2284 🔗

I notice the article in the Guardian mentioned in the Round-up is sponsored by openDemocracy, part of the Open Societies organisation founded by George Soros, the popular bogeyman of conspiracy theorists. I wonder if it’s significant that Soros’ organisation should be pro-lockdown.

335870 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jane C in France, #25 of 2284 🔗

Just a coincidence, surely.

336257 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carlo Emilian, replying to Rowan, #26 of 2284 🔗

How close are Soros and Gates??

334112 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Stephen Priest, 7, #27 of 2284 🔗

The trouble is that, with most MPs, this is just bashing your head against a brick wall. Whilst the great lumpenproletariat is onside, Bozo and Hangcock can do what they want.

334713 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Stephen Priest, 7, #28 of 2284 🔗

Media hysteria is the main reason sceptics have not gained much traction so far:

335084 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Nessimmersion, 5, #29 of 2284 🔗

Actually, images like that, preferably with some numbers, are more likely to reach people who still believe in the government’s CV19 narrative.
It is a visual representation, which can appeal on an emotional level, which scientific papers, statistics, etc, can’t.
People are responding emotionally, not with their intellect. To change their minds, you have to do it emotionally first.

335364 ▶▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Stephen Priest, #30 of 2284 🔗

TOBY The Great Reset: Bannon Interviews Archbishop Vigano – ‘Biden An Irreparable, China-Complicit Disaster’

https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/the-great-reset-bannon-vigano-biden/

The exclusive transcript of an interview conducted by War Room show host and former White House Chief Strategist Stephen K. Bannon with His Excellency Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop. The National Pulse is publishing the interview – which primarily concerns the Catholic Church, the deep state, and the key actors involved – without edits.

333966 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 38, #31 of 2284 🔗

There are two related but separable parts to the anti-lockdown argument. One is the overreaction to the epidemic itself. The other is the actual case against lockdown. Even if the numbers were as painted by the government and its liars of influence in the media, there would still be a viable case against lockdown. After all, nobody thought to do this in the 1918-19 Spanish flu outbreak. It would – quite rightly – have been considered insane. That’s why I am thinking of getting hold of the postcards shown at the link below. Totalitarianism my be the least of our worries. i think we are heading for a Soviet style collapse resulting in the sort of “hidden famine” that afflicted Russia during the 1990s. However, it will be much worse for us as Russians were used to things not working and grew food, went to the public libraries to keep warm and so on. We live in a society which believes that food comes not from allotments or from farms but from supermarkets.

https://my-sgf.co.uk/

334038 ▶▶▶ Just Stop it Now, replying to Londo Mollari, 18, #32 of 2284 🔗

Londo, yes please contact Back to Normal for some postcards. We well on our way to our target of distributing to 1m households across the UK, reaching those who get their news from the main stream media.

We are a grassroots group of ordinary citizens which is growing rapidly day by day. As a welcome side effect, hundreds of lockdown sceptics are able to get in touch and make friends with others in their local area for sane chat and moral support!

https://my-sgf.co.uk/

334044 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #33 of 2284 🔗

In one part of Siberia for a time in the 1990s, the cost of a cinema ticket was one egg. Money had lost its meaning.

334499 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #34 of 2284 🔗

Many of the places we might have gone to keep warm have been closed.

334592 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #35 of 2284 🔗

They are blocking all the exits. Not a conspiracy, a fact.

334621 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #36 of 2284 🔗

Drool Brittania.

334010 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #37 of 2284 🔗

48th!

334201 ▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #38 of 2284 🔗

What Is A Covid-19 Case?
Dr. Sam Bailey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2aR2UInnug

Dr Sam starts from scratch and explains what is a Covid-19 case and unravels the web.

334244 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Stephen Priest, 2, #39 of 2284 🔗

excellent!

333959 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 107, #40 of 2284 🔗

If there really were covid wards full of children in intensive care, they wouldn’t bother showing hearsay interviews with nut job nurses. They would have their senior correspondents, to camera at the hospitals, talking to the anguished parents (doing their patriotic duty by pleading for lockdown), all decked out in head to foot hazmat suits.

They can’t do this. Because it’s a lie.

334012 ▶▶ adamsson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #41 of 2284 🔗

I want that mug

334263 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #43 of 2284 🔗

Try not to shop with Amazon…

334072 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to adamsson, 11, #44 of 2284 🔗

With all those ghastly faces on it? Yukyukyuk.
Get one with just birds.

334073 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to adamsson, 1, #45 of 2284 🔗

Me too!!!

334093 ▶▶ katz, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #46 of 2284 🔗

Why aren’t drakeford and sturgeon on this mug?

334235 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to katz, #47 of 2284 🔗

They only have supporting roles.

334671 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to katz, #48 of 2284 🔗

Quite: an absolute scandal; they must both be apoplectic about being ignored!

336291 ▶▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to katz, #49 of 2284 🔗

Because they are genitals not tits.

334426 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #50 of 2284 🔗

Brilliant, but if any of the two non-feathered varieties appear at my feeder (usually happens around election time) I do have a shotgun.

334602 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #51 of 2284 🔗

Add a W.

334608 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #52 of 2284 🔗

Or, drop the first T and change it to a G.

333964 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 100, #53 of 2284 🔗

Reading Guy de la Bedoyère crystallized something for me. Why people are so invested in lockdown and so enthusiastic about having their liberties removed.

This is their war. Until now – and I know I’m generalizing, but it’s a general trend I’m talking about – meaning in their lives has been pretty shallow and uninspiring. Mortgages, promotion, kids, the treadmill of life. No religion, no inspiration. Drudgery and an insidious sense of pointlessness. All the more so, I suspect, for younger people as they suffer in the housing market. Maybe the country falling apart in the Brexit agon didn’t help.

But now, they have an enemy. A cause. A possibility of noble sacrifice, of coming together in a life-or-death struggle that will, they convince themselves, end in heroic triumph. Facts don’t matter here. All that matters is the cause, and the feeling the cause gives them. For the first time, their lives mean something. For the first time, they feel solidarity and power. (Yes, power – by staying at home, sacrificing themselves, they fight the good fight.)

We, by contrast, are the conscientious objectors. Even collaborators (after all, we want to “let the virus rip!”). They would tar and feather us if they could and parade us through the streets.

333967 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #54 of 2284 🔗

Interesting take. It is true that society has been suffering from a general lack of purpose. Jordan Peterson’s success all over the western world proves it.

333968 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 19, #55 of 2284 🔗

This scientific paper suggest that – as has been frequently said – Covidianity has the characteristics of a religious belief. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103120304248#bb0295

333974 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 45, #56 of 2284 🔗

Doing nothing is heroic.
Being an arrant coward is heroic.
Being vindictively intolerant towards those who disagree is heroic.
Being totally indifferent to the sufferings of others is heroic.
Being a horrible person is heroic.

I find that a bit odd.

334013 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 20, #57 of 2284 🔗

And being kind is a crime.

334074 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 22, #58 of 2284 🔗

Whereas dobbing your neighbour to the gestapo is a virtue.

334085 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 8, #59 of 2284 🔗

And virtue signalling is acceptable and encouraged.

334656 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #60 of 2284 🔗

Snitching is Virtue Signalling.

334043 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 21, #61 of 2284 🔗

A similar state of mind was present in Nazi Germany, where shopping a neighbour to the Gestapo was a praiseworthy act.

334052 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Waldorf, 14, #62 of 2284 🔗

And in Soviet Russia… and in 1984… Seems like grassing on your neighbors is a staple of authoritarianism…

334077 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 15, #63 of 2284 🔗

On one TV documentary a German woman was interviewed decades after the war. Gestapo files revealed she had contacted them about a female neighbour. The neighbour had a masculine dress style in photos of her and was perhaps a lesbian. The Gestapo took her away and she died in a concentration camp. When the grass was interviewed she professed not to remember the incident and did not seem to feel guilty at all.

334089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Waldorf, 20, #64 of 2284 🔗

We’ll get loads of that sort of behaviour when this is over – in denial and still believing that they were doing things for the “greater good”

334125 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #65 of 2284 🔗

Or that they were lockdown sceptics all along (like their youth in French resistance).

335096 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #66 of 2284 🔗

Lots of that too and we should be reminding them “no you were not.”

334851 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Waldorf, 2, #67 of 2284 🔗

The documentary was “The Nazis, A Warning from History” by Laurence Rees.The unapologietic grass was Resi Kraus, who tried to bluff her way through the interview, right up to the point where Rees showed her it was her signature on the Gestapo document!

334266 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #68 of 2284 🔗

Stasi snitches sometimes got a brick through the window, or worse.

334344 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Waldorf, 1, #69 of 2284 🔗

Strongly recommend you all watch Der Hauptmann (The Captain) on Amazon. A true story at the end of WW2. It shows what people are capable of.

334340 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Annie, 1, #70 of 2284 🔗

all vigorously encouraged by the fucking twat halfcock. Where is he? hardly been heard of for days, no doubt he has been breaking all the rules with family and friends. Rules are for the many, not the few.

334491 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Annie, 2, #71 of 2284 🔗

Yes I agree, it does seem a bit odd. But isn’t that the point really? All normal standards of tolerance and reasonableness have been turned upside down. This is why sceptics are finding it hard to win hearts and minds.

334664 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, 1, #72 of 2284 🔗

CULT OWNED W.H.O WARN THERE’S WORSE TO COME!

Warn the W.H.O. that there is worse to come for them.

334051 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 25, #73 of 2284 🔗

I think you may well have a valid point there – re it giving meaning and purpose to Lockdown adherents. Personally though – I think that makes them extremely selfish at our expense (ie all those of us suffering in one way or another from Lockdown). I was pretty much reconciled to my life having no meaning or purpose personally – and just got on with getting what enjoyment it’s possible to get from it and I don’t see anything wrong with just living a meaningless/purposeless life and “making the best of it” and it’s a sight better option than sheer cruel selfishness of trying to enforce Lockdown on the rest of us to derive one’s meaning/purposefulness. Basically – I guess you’re making the point that most people are selfish sadists and that is a thought I shall doubtless ponder on for the rest of the day – whilst impatiently waiting/waiting/waiting for my meaningless/purposeless life (of an infinitely preferable variety to Lockdown Life) to come back again.

334076 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to ElizaP, 22, #74 of 2284 🔗

Your life bad a purpose. That purpose was to live.
Zombies lack that purpose. Living death is all they ‘want’.

334106 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 2, #75 of 2284 🔗

Wasn’t that what Saw was trying to do? Give people purpose?

334115 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to ElizaP, 26, #76 of 2284 🔗

I very much agree. I think “purpose” is greatly overrated. Having watched my father die in my arms, I was consumed at first by the question “what on earth was all that for, then?” – all the work, all the struggles, even all the fun and joy – making his garden, planning holidays, singing in choirs… and eventually I realized that it was all for its own sake. There was no higher purpose. And there is no higher purpose than to live as well as you can and cause as little harm as you can. The selfish sadism you speak of seems to me to be a symptom of a frustration as people fail to realize this. I really dislike that poem that ends “rage, rage against the dying of the light” for this reason. I prefer the attitude hinted at in the Archaic smiles on the Etruscan tomb figures.

334129 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #77 of 2284 🔗

Miguel de Unamuno
For the present let us remain keenly suspecting that the longing not to die, the hunger for personal immortality, the effort whereby we tend to persist indefinitely in our own being, which is, according to the tragic Jew (Spinoza), our very essence, that this is the affective basis of all knowledge and the personal inward starting-point of all human philosophy, wrought by a man and for all men and this personal and affective starting point of all philosophy and all religion is the tragic sense of life.

334291 ▶▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #78 of 2284 🔗

Oh, well said. And it’s that joy of living life for its own sake that we are denied.

334101 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #79 of 2284 🔗

If it’s a war it’s an unusual requiring combatants, above all else, not to risk their lives.

334277 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #80 of 2284 🔗

They’ll be taking a great with their lives, every time they roll up their sleeves for a Bill Gates vaccine.

334332 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #81 of 2284 🔗

Its probably is the most important thing they’ve been since being a Milk Monitor at school. Some VIK’s (Very Important Karens) on patrol in my town. Virtue Signalling like fury in “his and hers” face knickers, as they give us the evil eye, over and over, but not brave enough to actually say anything. Lots of my family and Mr H’s family are being very noble and obedient in their communitarian cause right now…and they tell us! We’re just “ totally irresponsible!” Sorry if I sound bitter and twisted this morning, I’m just totally hacked off with it all.

335423 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #82 of 2284 🔗

Great monicker Helena!

334353 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #83 of 2284 🔗

When people started wearing masks I think for some it made them feel like Dr Kildare. I know, that ages me.
They go out each day masked up, ready to fight the Rona, do life-saving brain surgery and fill their trolley at the supermarket.

334472 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #84 of 2284 🔗

Yes his essay certainly made me reconsider some of my views. Not sure if this is actually part of totalitarian theory, or just a sort of unexpected by-product? Anyway it has certainly worked well for the PTB.

334640 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #85 of 2284 🔗

Tar and feather them instead.

334643 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #86 of 2284 🔗

Call them Communists to their faces. That might get a rise.

334653 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #87 of 2284 🔗

Plan your actions, then strike.

336256 ▶▶ Bartleby, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #88 of 2284 🔗

I somewhat agree, but I don’t think the pro-lockdown approach has any such moral or righteous cause at the core but is more that a great many people aren’t at all put out by the lockdown and find that it rather suits their agenda.

If you were one of the many millions of people who commuted by bus, train or car you’ve saved anything from several hundreds of pounds of month and a huge amount of time by not being forced to go to an office if you can now work from home.

If you’re one of the many millions of people who have been furloughed from a job you didn’t enjoy – again you might well find yourself thinking this is free money for doing nothing and you’re not really expected to look for a job, the nanny state is providing.

If you’re one of the 13M elderly and/or vulnerable, it might well be that you’re frightened and scared and so lockdown has your support. Of course many older people and vulnerable people do not support lockdown, but given the fear propaganda, I’d wager that the majority of those over 65 and clinically vulnerable certainly do.

If you’re one of a significant portion of people who is a believer in the big nanny state, then even though you wouldn’t naturally find yourself supporting a Tory government in the UK, you probably feel vindicated by and supportive of huge government interventions. You’ll have been cheered by the way the Democrats were able to capitalise on Trump/Republican handling of covid in the US and how deaths could be blamed on the free-marketeers and rich racists of the right wing spectrum. It plays massively into your personal beliefs and agenda.

Likewise if you find that you’re somewhat woke on the environmental spectrum – you’re more likely to be supportive of any measures which reduce travel and carbon footprints. Again that’s a sizeable proportion of people right there.

In fact, if we could put together a venn diagram (and who doesn’t love a good venn) we could come up with around 10 circles of single self-interests. Many people would be in 2,3 or more overlapping circles.

Call me cynical, but people are nearly always motivated firstly by their self-interests. That’s not to say they are inherently selfish and will do others down, but you are far more likely to be able to influence and persuade any behaviour you want if you can appeal to those self-interests and the sense of a greater good, however warped.

That’s why I don’t believe covid is a cause, even though that’s how some like to present it. It’s a whole bunch of self-interests, a stew of selfishness.

That’s the primary reason why the reaction to lockdown scepticism and facts are so emotional and vitriolic. Many of the worst offenders in terms of dogma and zealotry are completely unconcerned at the fates of grannies, grandads and millions of people’s lives worldwide and in this country that have ended early or been ruined by the reaction to covid. It’s not that they are fighting for a cause, they are simply fighting for their own self-interests. It’s very far from noble.

333965 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 141, #89 of 2284 🔗

The very definition of insanity… “It looks like locking down people and tiered systems don’t work, so we’ll be introducing more lockdowns and tiers.”

I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it: these people belong in prison for criminal incompetence at the very least.

334002 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 34, #90 of 2284 🔗

Go on saying it. It’s true.
And there will be a reckoning.

334054 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 17, #91 of 2284 🔗

I darn well hope there will be a reckoning – and they land up paying for what they’ve done to the rest of us. But I’m cynical enough to think the chances are they will get their day of reckoning somewhere we’re not able to witness it and feel vindicated (ie just after they’ve died – when they do their Life Review). One of my few consolations to think just how much anguish they will go through then for what they’ve caused us to experience and I can’t speak for anyone else – but I have no intention of forgiving them.

336262 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to ElizaP, #92 of 2284 🔗

Don’t hope for one, make it happen.

334165 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Annie, 12, #93 of 2284 🔗

The regime could not behave in the manner it now is, if any of them had the slightest intimation that accountability will ever be possible for them.

They may be wrong, but right now they are pretty confident.

335172 ▶▶▶▶ gipsy2222, replying to Ovis, 8, #94 of 2284 🔗

I have had a bad 24 hours getting depressed about all this nonsense. But I want to survive so that I can bear witness and bring these people to justice. They will not be allowed to get away with an enquiry that only asks if they should have locked down sooner (seems to be the plan). They will have to justify why they followed the ever wrong Ferguson, why there is still no cost-benefit analysis etc.

334502 ▶▶▶ neilhartley, replying to Annie, 10, #95 of 2284 🔗

There won’t be. Was Tony Blair tried for war crimes? No, he’s still lauded over by the rest of the establishment despite the dodgy dossiers and a million (?) deaths.

335294 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to neilhartley, #96 of 2284 🔗

I agree. It’s more likely that most of them will end up in the House of Lords.

335824 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to neilhartley, 2, #97 of 2284 🔗

In 2011, Tony Blair and George W Bush were tried in absentia by an international tribunal in Kuala Lumpur and both were found guilty of war crimes. It was a symbolic verdict rather than anything else, but both are nevertheless convicted war criminals.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2011/11/28/kuala-lumpur-tribunal-bush-and-blair-guilty/

336288 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to neilhartley, #98 of 2284 🔗

Blair sent me off to commit those war crimes and even today if i met him I’d put violence upon him. However his advice on how to manage this pandamic has been spot on throughout. Imagine the cognitive dissonance I’m dealing with!

334279 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #99 of 2284 🔗

It’s not incompetence, they are fully complicit in a conspiracy to depopulate the planet. The vaccines are the main tool of the depopulators and the senseless Covid restrictions are there solely to coerce us into baring our arms for the lethal injections.

334442 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #100 of 2284 🔗

Very true, but this time, in the interests of ‘harmony in the Union’ each individual leader will think up a new name for ‘lockdown’ and hand it to the country next door. I think they are starting off anti-clockwise, so England can have a ‘firebreak’, Scotland can have a ‘tier 5’ and Wales gets whatever the fishwife thinks of for this latest game.
Next time they will go clockwise.

It’s a bit like playing pass the parcel except there is no present and the music never stops.

335089 ▶▶ rexmantle, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #101 of 2284 🔗

“The very definition of insanity”. Yep.

Here is something very different saying pretty much the same thing. Well worth a look at.

https://usquiss.com/masters-of-beasts/

333970 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 45, #102 of 2284 🔗

I believe the rot set in with the New York 9/11 bombings when society went equally crazy. I recall thinking it was a horrible event, but sadly horrible events with great loss of life happen frequently, wars, plagues, famines, natural disasters and others briefly dominate the headlines usually. The 9/11 bombings set us on a slippery slope to restricted liberty and surveillance.

I was at college when the IRA terror campaign was at his height. We just kept calm and carried on like we did during the 1968 flu pandemic. The state did not terrorise us.

What has happened to people to turn them into quivering jellies? life is full of risks. We need to be sensible and carry on for even hiding under the bedclothes all day is risky as you could become ill from not moving around.

333972 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 87, #103 of 2284 🔗

What has happened? Social media. Before we used to talk about things directly, in person, through very unregulated media, either face to face, or phone calls, or instant messaging. We could talk and argue freely. The few nutters that did exist were quickly shut down with ridicule.

But then social media came along. All discussions were suddenly public on a world wide scale. Everything we could say and hear was monitored and regulated. The nutters had a place to meet and come together. Then ridicule was banned, because it’s mean. And then the free exchange of ideas was heavily restricted. And now you go on Twitter and not only do you have a hard time finding someone to agree with your position of dissent, but Twitter is doing all it can to isolate you and give you the impression that you’re alone in thinking how you think.

This is the root of all evil in my opinion: blocking the free exchange of ideas and providing a platform that encourages and protects damaging ideologies.

333973 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 11, #104 of 2284 🔗

That’s an excellent point.

333975 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 24, #105 of 2284 🔗

Correct.
Nor could lockdown have happened without the Internet – to pump the poison into every ear, night and day, and to provide enough distraction to sustain the illusion that one is not in prison.

334040 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 13, #106 of 2284 🔗

To be fair the Internet also makes it possible to seek out sceptical sites or counter-narratives. For example that woman filming a near-empty hospital in Gloucester. Perhaps that is why she was arrested.

334061 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 5, #107 of 2284 🔗

I’ve long argued Lockdown would not have been imposed if it hadn’t been for the Internet. Though, obviously, currently using it myself – I’m well aware that a Lockdown could not have physically been conducted for the other Big Virus events in that bit of my lifetime that preceded this century. Re this century and the last Big Virus was 2016 and no Lockdown for that one either – but there will have been a noticeable number more people that got personal computers in that last 4 years and a noticeable number more firms that could manage (or said they could manage) to conduct at least some of their business online since then. Hence I think we are currently about Peak Computer – and that’s how they’ve managed to do this to us.

334099 ▶▶▶▶▶ katz, replying to ElizaP, 16, #108 of 2284 🔗

It’s BBC and Sky news more than the internet. If everyone stopped watching state-controlled fear-mongering ‘news’, this would all fall apart. The internet gives me access to alternative views and news and has made me turn off my television. In an age where mainstream news is biased and can’t be taken at face value, I’m very glad of my window to these alternatives.

334204 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to katz, 2, #109 of 2284 🔗

24 hour news pumped into homes, pubs, gyms. Hard to avoid

334271 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to stefarm, 3, #110 of 2284 🔗

Take the attitude people took in the communist block – anything produced by state owned media is a fairy tale and just block it out

335421 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to katz, 1, #111 of 2284 🔗

If it was just the BBC and Sky News, we’d all be able to go on Twitter and Facebook and call out their madness. But we can’t, because it’s Twitter and Facebook that stop dissent. There’s a reason why the BBC and Sky News don’t have comment sections.

335689 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to katz, 1, #112 of 2284 🔗

And just to illustrate what effect social media has:
I was just in an argument on YouTube with someone who was saying Trump is racist. I asked for a quote, and of course i got none back. So i then proceeded to share a link to a YouTube video of all the openly racist crap Biden has said over the years. And YouTube shadow banned it, which means i can see it, but it’s hidden for everyone else.

So tell me, how can anyone have a honest conversation on social media? Not only are they blocking messages they don’t like, they won’t even tell you that they’re doing it. They’ll just let you believe that you posted your message and no one is responding to it, but in reality you have been censored.

334128 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #113 of 2284 🔗

I’m reminded of that excellent post a few weeks ago, fifteen signs you’re in an abusive relationship wheel – “Tell you you’re crazy and no one agrees with you”.

335110 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to LS99, 3, #114 of 2284 🔗

Always worth re-posting.

😁

335213 ▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to LMS2, 2, #115 of 2284 🔗

Thanks, yes it still makes me shudder at how eerily spot on it is!

333990 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 25, #116 of 2284 🔗

Me and my girlfriend had booked a week’s holiday in NYC in early October 2001. We decided not to cancel. Work colleagues were surprised, but not because they thought it was dangerous: they thought much would be closed and we’d have a miserable time.

Our hotel was just south of Central Park. We’re not ghouls and had stayed in the financial district on our previous visit so had no reason to go anywhere near the destruction.

The atmosphere was fine: we were upgraded to a suite because some people had cancelled but apart from that we wouldn’t have known something so evil had so recently happened. We went to a performance of “The Mikado”: it was packed and the atmosphere was as we’d have expected at any earlier time.

Not a single person during our entire week there, apart from the hotel receptionist telling us we’d been upgraded, made any reference to the building collapses.

So I don’t think society went crazy: it was the decision of the US government to exploit the destruction that did the damage.

334078 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Ossettian, 2, #117 of 2284 🔗

I was told I was crazy for going through CDG in Paris in 2015 on the way to NYC as they had just had a terror attacked 10 days beforehand.
I had ok problems , saw no extra police or anyone with big guns walking around , just a normal day at the airport.

333997 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 5, #118 of 2284 🔗

i’ve seen some references indicating the 9/11 was also planned and executed by the Deep State globalist filth. But that’s probably just my tinfoil hat speaking.

334034 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Elisabeth, -1, #119 of 2284 🔗

Need to retune your tin foil tricorn, it’s picking up Fox

334004 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 11, #120 of 2284 🔗

I think it started with Diana’s death, and yes CCS, I have thought for decades that our society has turned into a load of namby namby wimps that is afraid if the wind blows on em.
PS: A tv weather forecaster over the weekend actually said (twice) that “it would be cold for the time of year”!!!

334007 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip, 26, #121 of 2284 🔗

It did start with Diana’s death. That day, I was leaving the UK to take up a teaching post in Sweden, and I was in London trying to get a minicab and a doleful voice on the phone said, ‘We have suspended our services in tribute to Her Royal Highness the Princess of Wales’. My first experience of the spectacular non sequiturs of the new emotional world.

It may be worth pointing out, too, that I spent much of that evening at BBC Broadcasting House because a friend of mine was a presenter. And they were having a WHALE of a time. Off air, they were all laughing and joking and calling it the “Do and Didi Show”. The sobbing on camera was all hypocritical and all crocodilian.

334041 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #122 of 2284 🔗

Off air they may well think Covid is BS as well.
It has been reported that Jimmy Savile’s Jim’ll Fix It was referred to as Jim’ll F££k It in certain quarters at the BBC. It does suggest they knew.

334047 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Waldorf, 8, #123 of 2284 🔗

I suppose the double standards of Kay Burley and the other one (don’t know them, never watch any of it, but read the names) indicate exactly what you suggest.

334331 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #124 of 2284 🔗

Its Beff, NN. Beff Wigby, mouf like a horse

334062 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #125 of 2284 🔗

I worked for the BBC at the time, though not in London. I came into work the next morning, not having checked the news and only heard of it then. I was surprised and a little saddened if only because Diana was about the same age as me and it was an indication of the transitoriness of life. I noticed my colleagues were unbothered by the deaths and one or two were even in “screw them” mode. Of course if they had had to do something to camera it would have been this massive tragedy etc.

334087 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 1, #126 of 2284 🔗

Despite the BBC’s public persona not everyone was PC in their attitudes to it – one colleague was annoyed that she had started a relationship with an Egyptian, and it “served her right”.
Years earlier another colleague was vocally hostile to Salman Rushdie over the death threats following The Satanic Verses. As far as she was concerned, he had brought it on himself and who was he to mess with a major world religion? This was not the official BBC line at the time, of course. I should add that she was not a Muslim.

334088 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #127 of 2284 🔗

Of course it was.
When it was deemed a good thing to see big hairy a××ed men “blairtin” in the street over a woman that they never or were ever likely to meet was stomach churning.

334032 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Fingerache Philip, 12, #128 of 2284 🔗

I don’t think it started with Diana’s death;It was just that event which exposed the change that had happened.The old stoic attitude summed up in the stiff upper lip had gone

334090 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to jonathan Palmer, #129 of 2284 🔗

Fair point.

334303 ▶▶ Staincliffe, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #130 of 2284 🔗

I was a student in London during the 1970’s IRA campaign. Having missed the last tube one night, a group of us were walking home to Hammersmith down High St Ken. One of our group took a detour down a side street to a parked police van and he started chatting to the two policemen in the front. After a few minutes he called us all over and we were told to get in the back of the van, we were getting a lift home! He had the banter because most of the men in his family were in the police. Wouldn’t happen now of course. We’ve seen what happened recently when members of the public try to engage in a normal human way with the TSG.

333971 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 15, #131 of 2284 🔗

An interesting article about young people’s views on the current situation. many are on our side despite it being in the ‘Guardian’. one young woman sensibly points out that all viruses are dangerous for the frail.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/03/generation-z-and-the-covid-pandemic-im-100-more-politicised

334175 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #132 of 2284 🔗

Good news. I hope the young are going to say no to any vaccine.

335205 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #133 of 2284 🔗

I’ve always felt that Generation Z are more sceptical than the millenials. From what I remember reading, Gen Z were more likely to back Brexit than Remain.

333976 Londo Mollari, 16, #134 of 2284 🔗

Face mask refusal says so much because courageous behaviour is the pre-requisite for all other virtuous behaviour. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/12/allan-stevo/face-masks-refusal-says-so-much-because-courage-is-the-prerequisite-to-all-virtuous-behavior/

333977 Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 8, #135 of 2284 🔗

I have been admiring some of your letters and emails to your UK MP’s and thought I would share mine to a number of NSW ministers following an incident at a recent press conference. I emailed it a little while ago and have asked for a response from each. It is a little long, I have trouble keeping expressing myself and staying on tract but I reckon they will get the gist. I have split it as it is too long.

4 January 2021
The Hon. David Elliott, MP
The Hon. Gladys Berejiklian, Premier
The Hon. Brad Hazzard, MP
The Hon. James Griffin, MP

Dear Minister Elliott,
I am writing to you to express my dismay at the language you used in a recent press conference. According to various news reports the phrase uttered was, “a bastard act”, together with an expression of “having no sympathy”. This was in relation to a young woman and various family members and friends who chose to attend a venue at that time which was outside the area of the recent public health order – to attend her wedding. An event that had been postponed twice before due to covid restrictions. I can only just imagine her despair later in that day, on what should have been the happiest day of a young woman’s life. This order was revoked a few days later by the government, when we were told that the lower part of the northern beaches was now considered to be part of the Greater Sydney region again, and usual activities could recommence. How heartbreaking.
I will add at this time that I have no personal connection with this woman, her family or her friends.
Whilst I can accept the situation the government finds itself in with the handling of this virus, there are a number of errors that have been made by the government which in hindsight could have been handled better, hypocrisies which are glaring, and under the circumstances Minister, I feel these comments are spiteful, vulgar, bullying and completely unbecoming to an elected minister in our state cabinet. Whilst you are obviously free to express yourself the way you wish in your own home or with your friends privately, these words are certainly not acceptable at a press conference.
When the passengers from the Ruby Princess disembarked into the community, did you perhaps express to Mr Hazzard,”a bastard act”, Brad, “I have no sympathy”. When it recently came to light that there were breaches in home isolation for returned flight crews, vague exemptions for celebrities, one or other which led to the outbreak at Avalon, did you again utter this phrase to Mr Hazzard? I doubt it. When the Premier decided after having a covid test, to continue with meetings as well as entering the house for a sitting I suggest it would have taken you a second to realise that saying to her, “bastard act, Premier”, was probably not a good idea. And another situation with Mr Abbott cycling in the out of bounds area just recently, I guess you are starting to get my drift Minister.

People in glass houses.

In the situation we find ourselves in at present where normal day to day activities, and special life changing events such as getting married are, at a whim of the government and its faceless “health experts” one day acceptable, two days later not, three or four days later acceptable again, etc., I would have thought a little more discretion, civility, dignity and respect would have been forthcoming especially when you consider what the people on the northern beaches sacrificed over Christmas and New Year.

333978 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 28, #136 of 2284 🔗

This is the next bit:

Might I add at this point Minister, 3 hospitalisations over the Christmas and New Year period, none in ICU in the whole of NSW and no deaths for months. I believe at today’s date, there is one in hospital not in ICU and no new positive test results.

We bore the ruling over Christmas and New Year with good grace, thousands turning out to get tested, voluntary mask wearing went through the roof. The people in the northern zone accepted their lot with good grace. We in the southern zone likewise, upset we could not travel to see our aging relatives, children and grandchildren over that time took it on the chin, even with the strange ruling that 10 people from the greater Sydney area could come into our homes.

Whether the government’s seemingly obtuse level of understanding of the psyche of the people of NSW is deliberately ignorant or arrogant it is having a huge impact on the mental health of the community. I certainly feel it. There is no point advertisements being shown on TV expressing concerns about domestic abuse in the home when collectively we as a community are being gaslighted on a daily basis through press conferences where one minute we are randomly praised, castigated, even named and shamed by the harder and more unyielding ministers. Then we can go here, but not there, this is closed, now it’s open etc. and to all intents and purposes with no logic. A large number of residents I fear are at risk of being ‘broken’. God forbid how the more already vulnerable in society are handling this.

In particular my concern is the naming and shaming. The press and social media latch on to this information gleaned from press conferences and to their shame exploit it without relent and with great relish.

Now with the implementation of mandatory mask wearing I fear neighbour will be pit against neighbour. There seems to be little room for freedom of speech at the moment with the the public who have taken it upon themselves to read as much as they can from various scientists, institutions, worldwide experts in various medical fields being sneered at as covid deniers, anti vaxxers and such. This is abhorrent in what is supposed to be a democratic country. This is not the time for the government to create, inflate or encourage intolerance towards public differences of opinion.

Minister, I suggest to you if you wish to keep the good people of NSW cooperative, you curb your inflammatory and disrespectful language, think before making people an example publicly, and please temper your attitude to the fact that your rules and regulations change very regularly and can place huge burdens on major life changing family decisions.

And sometimes kindness is just a better option.

Bearing all this in mind and with the greatest of respect I believe you owe this couple an apology for what you said publicly and at your discretion urge you to waive these fines.

Yours faithfully
Xxxxx

333981 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Girl down Under, 10, #137 of 2284 🔗

Magnificent.
The voice of a decent human being.
That is my highest accolade.

333989 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Annie, 2, #138 of 2284 🔗

Bless you and thank you Annie, a lovely honour from such a wonderful wordsmith. 💖

334000 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Girl down Under, 4, #139 of 2284 🔗

You are proof that we encircle the world!

333982 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Girl down Under, 7, #140 of 2284 🔗

How can anyone characterise a marriage as a bastard act? Has Elliott being taking lessons in vocabulary use from Humpty Dumpty?

333987 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #141 of 2284 🔗

I think he was referring to the fact that they broke the public health order by leaving the area to go into the city which at that time was not allowed. Someone dobbed and the police arrested, I believe about 23 people who were from our area. They were all fined $1,000 each. I agree though I see the comment as well as relating to being married. I doubt the couple were allowed to spend a wedding night together as greater Sydney region was only allowed into our area on 24th, 25th, 26th December. I have not slept well for a couple of nights over this.

333992 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #142 of 2284 🔗

The term bastard act denotes the having of a child without being married.

334001 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #143 of 2284 🔗

Can’t be many politicians about whose parents were married, then.

333979 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 48, #144 of 2284 🔗

I spent three days (and two hours) in hospital last week. This provided me with an opportunity to observe some of the effects of the coronavirus responses. Yesterday I mentioned one from admission – the abandonment of the observance of the ethical requirement for informed voluntary consent. Today I like to offer an observation from the point of discharge.

It had started to snow and a patient who was about to be discharged was worrying that his sister-in-law, who was coming to collect him might have an accident in her car. I asked him why he hadn’t opted to be taken home by ambulance in the first place. He told me that they (meaning the hospital) are overwhelmed. I obviously looked surprised because he immediately referred to a BBC story that he had viewed on his phone. The story showed a line of ambulances outside a hospital, which “proved” the NHS was overwhelmed.

“You have been in this hospital for days, and you been all over. You have seen parts are closed down. You seen there are hardly any patients. You have seen the staff are not even busy,” I said.

“But its on the news!” he interjected.

“So, you see an image of ambulances outside a hospital and a reporter claiming that the image shows the NHS is overwhelmed and you prefer to believe that to the evidence for your own senses?”

“Well, no,” he said.

“So what was the reason for not getting an ambulance in the first place?”

“What I said. They are over…” And then he shook his head. Cognitive dissonance is hard to see from the inside.

There are more observations at https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2021/01/admitted-to-hospital-in-time-of.html

333980 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Steve Hayes, 56, #145 of 2284 🔗

This is why successful coups start with the seizure of the broadcasting centres. If a magically sceptical army took over in Britain and the BBC was suddenly broadcasting Mike Yeadon instead of Neil Ferguson, most of the population would flip in a couple of weeks and Johnson and Hancock would find their heads on spikes.

333983 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 29, #146 of 2284 🔗

Is it not revealing that Ferguson is still a government scientific advisor and still has such a platform for his views in the media?

333984 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #147 of 2284 🔗

It isn’t just that, it’s the seizure of people’s brains. This moron was simply incapable of seeing what was before his eyes.The real world had ceased to exist. No wonder the Fascists have an easy ride.

333985 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 15, #148 of 2284 🔗

It’s certainly been a bad year for the “it could never happen here” brigade.

334035 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #149 of 2284 🔗

Our one started when the government became the biggest spender in the print media and Ofcom banned any dissent on the airways.

334234 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #150 of 2284 🔗

Yep, the Ofcom banning was key. I still haven’t found anyone remotely believing the bollox who has even heard of it.

334065 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #151 of 2284 🔗

Hadn’t thought of it that way – but you do have a point. “Seeing is believing” – rather than “Thinking is believing”.

334164 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #152 of 2284 🔗

Interesting observation Steve. Couldn’t resist quoting from the great speech on the subject of television from the 1976 film Network. Howard Beale is a TV presenter and the network has just been taken over by a cynical, corporation. Well worth watching the entire speech here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Gf0VKXk5Q but if not, here’s a part of it:

“You’re beginning to believe the illusions we’re spinning here. You’re beginning to think that the tube is reality and your own lives are unreal.  You do whatever the tube tells you. You dress like the tube, you raise your children like the tube.  You even think like the tube.  This is mass madness. You maniacs. YOU people are the real thing. We are the illusion”.

334283 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #153 of 2284 🔗

Same story different situation. A delivery driver was outside my shop, he was looking for an address around the corner. He showed me the parcel I said its for a pub around the corner in a different road 200 yards away. He looked at his phone, the phone showed the post code was here, so he walked along the row of shops to see if he could find it. He came back I said I know from actual knowledge the pub on the address is around the corner and I could show him. He refused to believe me, insisting it was here. That’s what it has come to. People beleive google and TV in preference to their own eyes. None so blind as those who cant see

333986 J Cook, replying to J Cook, 4, #154 of 2284 🔗

Did anyone else have a chuckle about this yesterday, it was one of the headline stories on the BBC news app.
This time last year that would have been satire – like something from “The Shovel” Australian website.

Twelve fined for playing dominoes in Tier 4 breach – “in a dark room” no less.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55503852
“Twelve people have been fined after they were caught playing dominoes in a restaurant in east London.
Police officers found the group hiding in a dark room when they entered the building in Whitechapel on Tuesday.
The owner initially claimed those inside were workers, before admitting they were playing the game.”

333991 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to J Cook, 13, #155 of 2284 🔗

You’re a kinder soul than I am if you can still chuckle at such things. Each story of this kind just nudges me deeper into silent, but ferocious anger. Never Forget. Never Forgive.

333993 ▶▶▶ J Cook, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #156 of 2284 🔗

Oh I do get angry too, I spend much of my day angry, anxious, frustrated, despairing. But I consciously try to give myself respite from time to time, for my own fragile mental survival. The article yesterday was one of those “if you don’t laugh you’ll cry” moments.

334067 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #157 of 2284 🔗

Re reading “Night Soldiers ” by Alan Furst (Public library closed). There is a passage about the thoughts of a Gulag prisoner which sums up how I feel:

“Suddenly in this necropolis of ice and flatness and gray light , he had a reason to live, for the first time in his life. At last, there was something he wanted. He wanted to hurt them as they had hurt him. How simple and childlike life turned out to be once it was pared down to the basic elments ”

Even have the ice and gray light as I look out this morning.
Hope you are taking this all in GCHQ because soon you will have to decide whose side you are on, the side of the persecutors , or the side of history.

334245 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mikewaite, 2, #158 of 2284 🔗

They’ve already decided.

Those of them with any sort of qualms about shitting on their fellow citizens will have been assigned to monitoring the Middle East. Or Russia. Or alien signals …

333995 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to J Cook, 5, #159 of 2284 🔗

twelve gamers against how many police officers? They could have shoved dominoes down every single cop’s face and hog tied them in the public square! I have some odd fantasies at times…

333999 ▶▶ Annie, replying to J Cook, 3, #160 of 2284 🔗

Luminous dominoes?
Domine, adjuva nos peccatores.

334005 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 3, #161 of 2284 🔗

Maybe a domino tile, worn on the lapel, can be our badge of defiance. Double six?

334037 ▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #162 of 2284 🔗

Snake eyes for me

333988 Annie, replying to Annie, 16, #163 of 2284 🔗

C. S. Lewis, writing The Screwtape Letters during World War 2, gives the devil Screwtape some striking observations about cowardice:

We have made men proud of most vices, but not of cowardice. Whenever we have almost succeeded in doing so, the Enemy [God] permits a war or an earthquake or some other calamity, and at once courage becomes so obviously lovely and important even in human eyes that all our work is undone, and there is still at least one vice of which they feel genuine shame. The danger of inducing cowardice in our patients, therefore, is lest we produce real self-knowledge and self-loathing with consequent repentance and humility. And in fact, in the last war, thousands of humans, by discovering their own cowardice, discovered the whole moral world for the first time. In peace we can make many of them ignore good and evil entirely; in danger, the issue is forced upon them in a guise to which even we cannot blind them. There is here a cruel dilemma before us. If we promoted justice and charity among men, we should be playing directly into the Enemy’s hands; but if we guide them to the opposite behaviour, this sooner or later produces (for He permits it to produce) a war or a revolution, and the undisguisable issue of cowardice or courage awakes thousands of men from moral stupor.

This, indeed, is probably one of the Enemy’s motives for creating a dangerous world–a world in which moral issues really come to the point. He sees as well as you do that courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point, which means, at the point of highest reality. A chastity or honesty, or mercy, which yields to danger will be chaste or honest or merciful only on conditions. Pilate was merciful till it became risky.

My bold.

Screwtape must be delirious with joy now. The ‘obvious’ goodness of courage are been eliminated. All the churches demand and practise cowardice. The zombies are not ashamed of their cowardice, they are proud if it.

This has to be the ultimate triumph of Hell.

333996 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, 11, #164 of 2284 🔗

I was abandoned by my cleaner and a friend I relied on in March as they were so cowardly. There would have been zero risk to them as with church closed, I only went out for walks. I wish I were much braver than I am, but I hope I’m not as cowardly as that.

333998 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 9, #165 of 2284 🔗

The fact that you wish for courage shows that you are on the side of heaven. We must all pray for more of that most excellent virtue.
As for the house, they say that after the first five years, the dust gets no worse.
I am testing that out.

334033 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, 7, #166 of 2284 🔗

Thank you, I’m now blessed with an excellent cleaner and companion and the house is the tidiest it’s been in years. what has made me really angry is people who hide their cowardice or laziness behind ‘I’m protecting you, it’s for your own good.’

334069 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #167 of 2284 🔗

You can bet your life they told you (and themselves) they were doing it “for your own good” – ie that they’d be risking infecting you if they came round. Well – that’s for you to decide – and not them making your decision on your behalf.

334163 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to ElizaP, 2, #168 of 2284 🔗

That’s exactly what my former friend said. I felt the decision was mine to make not hers, I could see she was trying to justify her own actions.

334003 danny, replying to danny, 8, #169 of 2284 🔗

I know that Gavin Williamson is a plank of wood and will cave in, but technically at the moment, surely all of those councils that have written to him “requesting” formal closure of their primary schools, have not yet been given legal authority and son should not be making plans to do so?

334068 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to danny, 5, #170 of 2284 🔗

I know that Cumbria was refused permission last night. Our councils has left the decision up to the individual schools to close or not. Some have closed , some haven’t.
I have a little one who goes to nursery and she is due back on Wednesday and as far as I’m concerned she is going providing they don’t shut everything beforehand. She misses her friends and has already missed out on a lot by not being able to go last year.

334079 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CapLlam, 4, #171 of 2284 🔗

God bless her!

334097 ▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Annie, 4, #172 of 2284 🔗

She is ready to go back , they closed the nursery a week before Christmas as they had a child test positive in the baby room!! Who’s gets an under 2 tested! That’s beyond crazy.

I got a call to say that they were closing early for Christmas and that she should isolate for 10 days as she had come in to contact with a member of staff who had a child in the room where the child was. So a complete over reaction to her potentially coming in contact with it.
I completely ignored the instructions and we still went about doing our normal things even seeing my parents who are “high risk”

334130 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to danny, 1, #173 of 2284 🔗

Here the schools are open. The only problem or concerns from Headteacher is about staffing levels.

334006 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 36, #174 of 2284 🔗

One aspect that struck me again yesterday was hearing politicians, Uberfuhrer Johnson and would be Uberfuhrer Starmer, talking about losing control of the virus, as if they ever had any control over it in the first place. My wife who is a bit more easy going about all this than me picked up on this one and was unusually scathing of them talking about the virus as if it was a wayward teenager that had gone too far this time!
It is as if the story of King Canute and the tides had never happened, we do not look up at the rain clouds and say that the weather is out of control and we must lock down the population. Control freakery gone mad.
Johnson is too lazy and inept to work out what is really going on and has let everyone especially the health tyrants walk all over him but Starmer seems even more sinister, he is clever enough and must know what is really going on but is cynically playing this for every political point he can squeeze out of it, no matter the cost to the people of this country.

As for me I am off to the woods again this morning, some more fallen trees to sort out, life somehow still makes sense when you are working outside in the great outdoors.

334024 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Steve Martindale, 42, #175 of 2284 🔗

That whole ‘controlling the virus’ narrative makes my blood boil and ‘bumbling’ Boris talking about ‘wrestling it to the ground’ and ‘when it changes attack we have to change our defence’ as if he’s Churchill leading his war cabinet – more like Churchill the nodding dog on the dashboard of the SAGE juggernaut. His stupid bloody floppy haired gormless face at the Briefings when he reads out our next terms of imprisonment from the teleprompter, I swear he’s no idea, even though Joe Public is already pre-informed just from reading the propaganda MSM that his SAGE psychos have already leaked to condition us. I hate every sick sign of this scam and the idiots normalising it.

334253 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #176 of 2284 🔗

Yep, did some chain-sawing yesterday. Physical effort and concentration remove the blues like little else. 🙂

334731 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to JohnB, 1, #177 of 2284 🔗

Now there’s a physical activity that concentrates minds.

Throw in a little decapitational fantasy and it may very well be the most rewarding of activities on earth at present.

I’m gonna get practising too.

335021 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, #178 of 2284 🔗

I just had a few fantasty chain-sawing moments concerning certain individuals…….

334008 Laurence, 7, #179 of 2284 🔗

Interesting correlations if you look at the Worldometer Coronavirus website (for population size over 40,000,000):

Correlation of number of tests: number of deaths is 0.721 (fairly strong)
Correlation of number of cases: number of tests is 0.823 (very strong)

The first figures in particular is interesting – it means either the tests themselves are causing deaths (extremely unlikely !) or the number of deaths attributed to COVID is, to a very large extent, simply the result of testing more people.

And guess who’s at the top of the list of tests per million: the US then the UK !

334009 Steve Hayes, 11, #180 of 2284 🔗

Tony Heller has a nicely sarcastic video on the claims that mask wearing and social distancing have eliminated flu. “Science” Reaches Peak Idiocy

http://newtube.app/TonyHeller/E3Dsxoj

334014 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 1, #181 of 2284 🔗

Further restrictions:
Sun creams to be banned, as we can only go out after Sun set.

334018 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to PatrickF, 13, #182 of 2284 🔗

Understand the sarcasm but, actually, that wouldn’t be such a bad thing – sun creams are full of chemicals and do you no good.

334022 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to kh1485, 2, #183 of 2284 🔗

True!

334039 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to kh1485, 1, #184 of 2284 🔗

With you there

334522 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to kh1485, 1, #185 of 2284 🔗

I wish I could uprate this more than once!

334021 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to PatrickF, 6, #186 of 2284 🔗

Ha, that reminds me, early on in February or March the genius Pattaya police chief or some such corrupt local nobody announced that there was no threat from the virus in Pattaya because sunlight killed it. I remember thinking, “How fortunate, then, that there isn’t a huge section of the Pattaya population that sleeps through the day and works indoors at night.”

334015 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #187 of 2284 🔗

only 3 covid admissions in the last 4 days in the entire of Buckinghamshire and 3 died ‘with covid’

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhstrust&areaName=Buckinghamshire%20Healthcare%20NHS%20Trust

over that time about 100 people have died of other things

I expect the 3 that died are false positives, what with 3/100 being right in the middle of PHE’s false positive estimate and they are testing patients multiple times

334058 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to steve_w, 3, #188 of 2284 🔗

I checked mine we have 5 admitted across over 500 beds, 131 currently in hospital and 6 on Ventilators. This is across a vast area with 2 hospitals. Our largest day of admitted patients was in Nov with 17. The average is around 5 a day over the 2. hospitals

We are tier 4 but I saw plenty of people out walking along our prom yesterday enjoying the cold sunshine.

334070 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to CapLlam, 2, #189 of 2284 🔗

and most of the 131 in hospital will be in for other things and just tested +ve

334083 ▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to steve_w, 3, #190 of 2284 🔗

Yep and most probably don’t have symptoms just tested +

335392 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to CapLlam, 1, #191 of 2284 🔗

Ventilators? Why no early stage intervention with HCQ or Ivermectin?

335393 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to CapLlam, 1, #192 of 2284 🔗

Ventilators? Why no early stage intervention with HCQ or Ivermectin?

334019 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 16, #193 of 2284 🔗

The full page NHS advert in yesterdays Sunday Telegraph
reveals that CV19 is a green gas.
Surely, the only test we need is to exhale.

335099 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to PatrickF, 2, #194 of 2284 🔗

A virus so deadly it needs an advertising campaign.

334020 Julian, replying to Julian, 57, #195 of 2284 🔗

I took issue in large parts with the McGrogan article above the line yesterday, and I take issue with commentary on it above the line today

We HAVE used emotional arguments as well as rational ones

It’s NOT OVER in any way – we have not yet been defeated (indeed people are getting more sceptical all the time) neither is it at all sure that it will be over politically this or any other year

We are on the back foot because our enemies have spent a MILLION times more than we have on propaganda

Stop the defeatism.

We have a mountain to climb, but the message is not the issue, it’s getting the message in front of people often enough

334023 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Julian, 34, #196 of 2284 🔗

I agree. My rational arguments (quoting irrefutable statistics) are interspersed with emotion. After all, if your response to this shitshow doesn’t have some emotional element, there really is something wrong with you.

People, as I said yesterday, who just shrug their shoulders and go along with everything for a quiet life, need to see the impact this is having on others who, they appear to be saying, are acceptable collateral damage.

334027 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Julian, 15, #197 of 2284 🔗

I agree with you, there was a tone I can’t put my finger on but it was just ‘off’ to me, a bit of subliminal finger wagging and defeatism. Both the article and reply seemed to be trying to nudge the narrative.

334109 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Julian, 5, #198 of 2284 🔗

With the couple of friends I still have left, I have moved onto the emotional arguments now. They are still impervious to all of the empirical evidence (it baffles me, it really does), but I think I am starting to get some traction.

School closures is definitely something that a significant minority think is a bad idea.

335027 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #199 of 2284 🔗

Well said!

334025 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 16, #200 of 2284 🔗

I live in Kent, next door to a Spire Hospital and a Care Home. Each day, I look in vain for the lines of ambulances to overwhelm them and concerned BBC journos waiting to hear my eyewitness evidence.

334031 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to PatrickF, 3, #201 of 2284 🔗

How about you write to them directly and infiltrate their comments section…?

334268 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to PatrickF, 3, #202 of 2284 🔗

I had reason to drive in the vicinity of the Wrexham Maelor Hospital on Saturday and yesterday. On neither day were there any ambulances to be seen on the surrounding Wrexham streets or any emergency sirens to be heard. The roads were all pretty quiet other than ‘shopping’ traffic. If I’d not been dealing with an emergency myself taking my very ill dog for treatment at the emergency vets (not a good experience with all the inhuman social distancing measures), and if I was more familiar with the area, I would have readily gone to the hospital to investigate the reality of how ‘overwhelmed’ they were.

334570 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #203 of 2284 🔗

Hope your dog is okay? Don’t know where I would be if it wasn’t for my best mate poppy the cocker spaniel.

335825 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #204 of 2284 🔗

Thanks for your concern, Spikedeel, much appreciated.

Poor Lily (14 year old border collie) has leukaemia and wasn’t her usual self on Friday night to the point I thought she was ‘done for’. The vets diagnosed a severe infection and kept her in ’til Sunday morning. I was still concerned about her this morning but she has been picking up since.

334026 Julian, replying to Julian, 14, #205 of 2284 🔗

I read yesterday that Piers Ocrbyn is to stand in the London Mayoral elections

I have developed huge respect for PC’s tireless efforts to protest against lockdown, but I think this is a shame as it will split the anti-lockdown vote between him and David Kurten, who is strongly anti-lockdown

334030 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Julian, 5, #206 of 2284 🔗

Shame it can’t be a national vote – I would vote Corbyn this time (who’d a thunk it).

334132 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Andrea Salford, 11, #207 of 2284 🔗

I would too. Every week he has been on a march against Lockdowns and for Freedom of Speech. He’s been arrested 7 times by the Stasi Police with heavy fines imposed. Yet at 71 years of age when he could be sitting in a comfortable chair by the fire he’s out on the streets, in my book he’s a real hero!

334933 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #208 of 2284 🔗

I will be 71yrs in March – ‘sitting in a comfortable chair by the fire’ in a pair of slippers is not my style: plenty of older people are fully active and this bloody situation has brought us onto the streets with a vengeance!

334195 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Julian, 5, #209 of 2284 🔗

Yes, they need to come to a deal. Maybe Piers should back Kurten, who possibly has better chance of winning.

334029 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #210 of 2284 🔗

apparently season 1 killed 40,000 and season 2 killed 40,000

but ‘excess’ deaths for season 1 were 53,000 and season 2 were 16,000

A lot of misattribution going on

334036 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to steve_w, 14, #211 of 2284 🔗

Every other death is now a covid death, if you follow the official line, if we abolished covid deaths, we would be pretty close to having achieved eternal life (under full lock-down of course, Heaven or Hell?).
I have just had a twitter exchange about Covid deaths, many people do believe that the announced NHS covid death figures are totally deaths that would not have happened but for covid. But as we know if you take the ‘so called covid deaths’ away from the total registered death total we would currently have the lowest death rate we have ever seen in modern times.
At the moment ONS total registered deaths are running at about 14% above 5 year average, not an unusual % for a winter respiratory disease situation but it still spooks people. However, as we head into 2021 there seems a chance the total registered death figure will come much closer to the 5 year average, if this does happen we need to do all we can to broadcast this fact to everyone.

334055 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #212 of 2284 🔗

unfortunately with FP and multiple testing of the same people – cases, hospital admissions and deaths will remain high until spring

excess deaths may get down to zero (over 5 year average) but may not due to the continuing death toll from missed cancer screenings etc

I don’t see a way out until march/april or until the govt declares victory because of the vaccine and scales back testing

the KCL zoe app shows the ‘second wave’ is about 30% of the first – in the height of the cold season

if the govt looked at Zoe data and excess deaths they would have a very different picture

334042 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #213 of 2284 🔗

It is no longer CoViD19 according to this statement from a councillor in Leicestershire
If schools and colleges and universities reopen, it is my opinion that Covid B117 will spread rapidly and uncontrollably, and many young people, including children, will die as a result.”

334050 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to p02099003, 21, #214 of 2284 🔗

In my opinion, he or she is a fucking diseased idiot and criminal.

334056 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to p02099003, 8, #215 of 2284 🔗

Correct your grammar please; “sadlidie” not “die”. You also forgot that all restrictions have to be announced “with a heavy heart” like my useless MP.

334120 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to p02099003, 2, #216 of 2284 🔗

Evidence provided for this idiocy?

334046 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 53, #217 of 2284 🔗

Daily Mail: Britons could launch class-action lawsuit for BILLIONS in compensation for Government ‘falsely imprisoning’ nation during lockdown, law lecturer predicts
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8914971/Britons-launch-class-action-lawsuit-Government-falsely-imprisoning-nation-says-lawyer.html

Yes please.

334053 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basileus, 5, #218 of 2284 🔗

Maybe the next Big Short is actually on insurance companies.

334059 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basileus, 18, #219 of 2284 🔗

Ditto. Perhaps all those who enthusiastically called for lockdowns could be taxed into oblivion to pay those of us who have already paid a hefty price.

334081 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, 5, #220 of 2284 🔗

I wish, oh I wish.
But I’ll have my share of the payout in blood.

334124 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basileus, 1, #221 of 2284 🔗

Already being prepared:

https://cacuk.world

334149 ▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Basileus, #222 of 2284 🔗

This story is two months old – has anything been heard about it since? It would only be a gesture initiative since if anyone successfully sued the government it would be you and I that had to pay. Worth it to embarrass them?

334162 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Basileus, 1, #223 of 2284 🔗

The Judiciary is corrupt though

334048 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 18, #224 of 2284 🔗

The law of unintended consequences

  1. WHO declares pandemic, UK government insouciant ‘best prepared in Europe’
  2. France threatens to close borders
  3. Lockdown
  4. Government decides to protect the population from a virus by clearing hospital beds
  5. Viruses spread from expelled patients into nursing homes and the wider population
  6. Hospitals closed to nursing home patients
  7. Deaths spiral in nursing homes
  8. Mass gatherings banned, schools and universities closed
  9. Healthcare staff numbers reduced due to childcare responsibilities
  10. Lockdown extended
  11. Media campaign in support of lockdown
  12. Mass testing to get out of lockdown finds many more cases, extending lockdown
  13. Healthcare staff further reduced by need for self isolation
  14. Media campaign so successful, big majority of voters supports lockdown
  15. Nationalists engage in competitive restrictions to attract voters
  16. Health and education unions support lockdowns to attract new members
  17. New strain identified, international neighbours panic, close borders
  18. New test used, finds only 36 positives in 15,500 lorry drivers
  19. 800,000 newly unemployed
  20. More mass testing, even more ‘cases’
  21. More lockdowns
  22. Etc
  23. Etc……

……….May council elections……..Conservative disaster

……….London Mayoral elections….Conservative disaster, Piers Corbyn romps home, preaches revolution

……….Scotland Assembly elections…..Conservative disaster, SNP leader romps home, preaches revolution if no independence referendum

‘May you live in interesting times’ is apparently a Chinese curse.

Conservative MPs hearing will improve dramatically the closer to the month of May we get.

Any attempt to delay elections could only make Conservative election prospects worse

334063 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #225 of 2284 🔗

They can always postpone the elections.

334066 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ossettian, 5, #226 of 2284 🔗

Didn’t they postpone last year’s? Medical martial law – the gift that keeps on giving.

334227 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Ossettian, 4, #227 of 2284 🔗

Only so many times that you can play that trick without it becoming counterproductive.

Scotland definitely will not postpone……so, therefore, unlikely that England will.

If London tries to postpone, it gives more time, momentum to Piers Corbyn

The law of unintended consequences applies……

334049 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 33, #228 of 2284 🔗

Have I got a real doozie for you!

We are currently looking after a sprightly elderly individual who normally is perfectly capable of going to the shops by himself (he is over 90 years old, but fully-mobile). He has unfortunately been suffering from a chest infection but is on antibiotics (which weren’t working well) but nowhere near sadlidying.

He was saying that he still felt really unwell, so we contacted the doctor at the request of his relatives who live many miles away. The doctor came on a home visit, arriving at ten pm. She was a wonderful young woman and did an excellent job after swaddling herself in a top-to-toe layer of PPE including mask and face-visor, apron and gloves.

After she had upgraded his antibiotics and told us that there wasn’t much to worry about (although we are still keeping a close eye on him) the doctor left to go to her next patient at about 11pm. We could not praise her enough; at least the poor girl was doing her bit rather than Tik-Tok dancing during her working hours.

She then disrobed in the cold street beside her vehicle and dumped her used PPE into a big clinical-waste bag. As she left, she said “I’m sorry, I have to leave this [bag of used PPE] here. “Don’t worry,” quoth I, “I’ll burn it at home”. “Oh, no, she says, just throw it away.”

I was then left to wonder at the magic nature of infectious viruses, that she had been instructed to cover herself totally from head to foot in PPE, only to ask for it to be disposed of in the non-recycling bin! Clearly it either becomes instantly and magically non-infective … or maybe the whole PPE thing is mostly for show. I chucked it away in our bin at home. I would have kept the visor, except that I have my own safety gear in my shed.

Needless to say, I am becoming less and less concerned about the pretend risks in this shitshow.

334082 ▶▶ chaos, replying to RichardJames, 7, #229 of 2284 🔗

I throw used PPE over the fence of the local care home.

334092 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to chaos, 2, #230 of 2284 🔗

Is that what is meant by help the aged now. PPE contributions.

334170 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to RichardJames, 4, #231 of 2284 🔗

I’m going to say it’s all for show and wonder how long the actors will continue to play.

334211 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to RichardJames, 7, #232 of 2284 🔗

That must be one hell of a lot of waste when it is happening every time.

335841 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #233 of 2284 🔗

Not kidding! There was an apron, gloves, mask, visor and overshoes. No idea what it cost, but it can’t be exactly cheap. Some mate of a government minister is making a fortune.

334057 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #234 of 2284 🔗

Questions to which the answer is “Fuck off”, no. 2364:

(from a Telegraph headline) “Could a £9,000 stay at a Bavarian spa cure my long covid?”

334071 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #235 of 2284 🔗

I used to quite enjoy reading the health section in Monday’s DT (and Dr James Le Fanu was very kind to me when I asked him for advice) but I don’t bother any more because of idiotic articles like that. Rather than appeal to ‘middle England’ the DT is increasingly trying to appeal to those with limitless funds.

334091 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 4, #236 of 2284 🔗

My father liked Dr James Le Fanu, and said that he always talked sense. Which obviously puts him beyond the pale today. Le Fanu is also a welcome rarity: a secular (or agnostic) vitalist in a world of Darwinian mechanists.

334094 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #237 of 2284 🔗

Two excellent books by him are Too Many Pills and The Rise & Fall of Modern Medicine. Well worth a read, especially now.

334095 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 2, #238 of 2284 🔗

Thank you. I shall read them.

334122 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #239 of 2284 🔗

I’ve read the article and it’s also about the Bavarian Spa generally. If I had squillions of pounds I think I’d go in my private jet for a week-at least it would be a change of scenery.

334186 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to arfurmo, 2, #240 of 2284 🔗

I’d be too afraid of bumping into the King of Thailand.

334174 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #241 of 2284 🔗

No, but a visit to a little place near Munich may give you pause for thought, just get a train ticket from Hauptbanhof Munich to Dachau.

334213 ▶▶ rose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #242 of 2284 🔗

How about Dignitas, Switzerland ?

334060 steve_w, 6, #243 of 2284 🔗

presumed R value from Zoe app

peaked on 18th December – about right for a seasonal virus. Peak annual deaths (last 5 years average) comes on January 5th – a couple of weeks after

334075 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 14, #244 of 2284 🔗

The NHS could NEVER cope during even a ‘normal’ winter.
Type ‘NHS winter crisis’ into Google and you get the below:

And now they intend to take the whole country down with them after first trashing our lives. These people are pure evil, and yet we are being fed to them like fertiliser. The Establishment cannot be allowed to survive this, or, if I had my way, to even live.

2018

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/11/nhs-patients-dying-in-hospital-corridors-doctors-tell-theresa-may

2017

https://www.royston-crow.co.uk/news/bays-close-at-addenbrooke-s-hospital-in-cambridge-as-winter-5080930

2000

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2000/dec/04/qanda.simonjeffery

334080 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to James Leary #KBF, 11, #245 of 2284 🔗

This is what provokes a (hollow) laugh in me. I mean it’s not like winter happens every year is it … oh hang on ….

334151 ▶▶ Julian, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #246 of 2284 🔗

Also if anyone from the govt or lockdown zealots pipes up about hospitals just ask them about the Nightingales

That should shut them up

334306 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Julian, 4, #247 of 2284 🔗

Ah, yes, but the reaction to that is always “But they haven’t got the staff to man them”. No thought seems to be given by them as to why that should be so after nearly a year, or why that wasn’t thought of when the facilities were commissioned.

But my response is to point out the statistics and facts covered in this article about more than 40,000 retired medical staff who volunteered in the spring and most have yet to be offered any medical duties.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9097533/Red-tape-blamed-5-000-40-000-retired-NHS-workers-volunteered-given-jobs.html

Still on the subject of the mysterious Nightingale Hospitals (NH), a friend of mine is involved with organising events at the Exeter Westpoint Arena. The management there were asked in late spring if they would offer the facilities for use as an NH. They initially agreed without hesitation but when the details of the contract were being discussed it transpired that the contract was for a three year period. The management pulled out at that point. Three years? That begs so many questions.

334086 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 18, #248 of 2284 🔗

Just having some thoughts about how/when/if we are to get out of this ‘pandemic’ based on the promised measures:

Vaccine – it will be given to the aged/vulnerable but will it impact any/much on deaths given many are already ‘dry timber’ so likely to expire of something else if not C19 (or the vaccine)
Cases – we will always test positive for corona – especially with the faulty pcr etc

So if the measures to meet are deaths or cases reducing (to what number) are we ever going to get out of this?

Also they will keep up the testing and fear factor to justify the vaccine and the daily count will switch to % vaccine uptake, demonising those that refuse it along the way, finding more variants that justify extending the roll-out virus to include children and thus extending the need for lockdown.

No Boris promise has been kept and every SAGE hint/leak has come to fruition.

334096 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Andrea Salford, 9, #249 of 2284 🔗

Good question, I just feel a bit more hopeless as the days go on. How are our so called leaders not seeing how destructive this is. More lockdowns will send people insane.

334098 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #250 of 2284 🔗

Until the prime minister/cabinet/SAGE listen to other people and realise that SARS-CoV-2 is endemic there will be no change.

334191 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to p02099003, 6, #251 of 2284 🔗

They know the situation and are simply following the play book.

334100 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 36, #252 of 2284 🔗

Oh dear I might have stirred up a bit of trouble.

I sent an e-mail to the test kit manufacturer I had been in contact with last year with the updated Ct cycle guidelines published in Oct 2020 asking if they had seen them and just mentioning that as court cases were being prepared challenging the use of PCR tests as they are being used at the moment and that this could be government’s way of passing the buck onto the kit manufacturers and avoiding any blame themselves.

Didn’t expect an answer as their office was closed until today and after 2 weeks of e-mails in the inbox things tend to get overlooked.

At 08:05 this morning I got a reply that says:

Thank you for this information.

This has been a very interesting read, to my knowledge guidelines on running the test were passed to the laboratories which will have stated the number of cycles required so I will be interested in knowing how that would affect any court rulings.

I was unaware of these cases being brough to court but will now look into this at is particularly interesting.

Think I’ll point them in the direction of the lawsuit organisers.

334110 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #253 of 2284 🔗

This has been a very interesting read, to my knowledge guidelines on running the test were passed to the laboratories which will have stated the number of cycles required so I will be interested in knowing how that would affect any court rulings.

I was unaware of these cases being brough to court but will now look into this at is particularly interesting.”

Nice they found someone so inarticulate and incapable of checking spelling, to reply to you.

334116 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to dhid, 9, #254 of 2284 🔗

Common core education I guess starting to make itself felt throughout the system now.

I’m just pleased they replied.

334119 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #255 of 2284 🔗

Perhaps they didn’t get a chance to finish their exams “coz of de virus fingy”!

334126 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to dhid, 5, #256 of 2284 🔗

Surely just typos: most people are pretty careless with their emails – I don’t like it either, but I am prepared to allow a bit of slack!

334139 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to iane, 5, #257 of 2284 🔗

If I was replying to someone making a very serious point relating to possible legal action, I don’t think “slack” would be too good an idea.

334103 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 7, #258 of 2284 🔗

My son and daughter-in-law received a message yesterday evening that the school that their daughter attends wouldn’t be opening today, not even for the children of key workers. This is in an area that is tier 3. My son who’s a teacher has been advised by his union that he must go into school as he could be in breach of contract.

334107 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to p02099003, 6, #259 of 2284 🔗

So I guess that means more key workers become unavailable. Great strategy.

334104 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #260 of 2284 🔗

Just wondering what new horrors they have in store for us. Some of the ideas are just crazy like limiting exercise. cooping people makes them more likely to get ill and the small print of the Sage paper admits the effects of properly worn surgical masks are only 6-15 per cent at best. I fear churches will be closed again, which is often my only outing. what I think of this government isn’t printable. suffice to say, I’d love to put them in the stocks.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948607/s0995-mitigations-to-reduce-transmission-of-the-new-variant.pdf

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55524764

334123 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 12, #261 of 2284 🔗

Happy to report I’ve just found a church where they sing, and don’t make you wear a mask.

334171 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 6, #262 of 2284 🔗

Good for you. my church are fine with my mask exemption but another member snitched to the vicar I’d been quietly singing.

334273 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 9, #263 of 2284 🔗

Did a cock then crow three times ? 🙂

334198 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #264 of 2284 🔗

A sceptic friend from Italy who is a practising Catholic managed to get to some services with a sceptic priest and some other sceptic parishioners

The priest was found out and forbidden from continuing

334105 Ossettian, #265 of 2284 🔗

Perhaps her parents have had her on puberty-blocking medication?

334108 PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 19, #266 of 2284 🔗

I don’t think Gavin Haynes’s Unherd article on the Great Reset clarifies anything except his superior attitude (“up himself” to be colloquial) as a journalist that gets invited to WEF junkets. They may be a terrible yawn for him but probably most totalitarian gatherings in history would have been a terrible yawn. The problem is that they have laid out their manifesto: it wasn’t new in November, it has all been visible on-line since June and it needs to be clearly repudiated by responsible politicians and journalists. It has all been planned btw for a lot longer:

http://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller%20Foundation.pdf

The Rockefeller Foundation published a report in May 2010 in cooperation with the Global Business Network of futurologist Peter Schwartz. It was called Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development. The first scenario, titled, “Lock Step”, describes a world of total government control and authoritarian leadership. It envisions a future where a pandemic would allow national leaders to flex their authority and impose airtight rules and restrictions that would remain after the pandemic faded. The first half of this scenario already has unfolded. Will it continue as predicted? The information on Lock Step begins at about the two-thirds point of the article.”

https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/rockefeller-foundation-paper-published-in-2010-predicted-how-a-pandemic-can-be-used-as-an-excuse-to-establish-global-authoritarian-power/

This is not about “conspiracy theory”: it is exactly what “they” said “they” intended to do, so why are people like Haynes pretending?

334138 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 4, #267 of 2284 🔗

Can you imagine how professional journalists would have covered the Wannsee Conference?

334157 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #268 of 2284 🔗

Unfortunately, I can.

334111 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 60, #269 of 2284 🔗

I woke up this morning and it occurred to me that I now live in a society where people prioritise very slightly increasing the life expectancy of their most ill grandparent over the education and economic and social future of their children. And those very same people honestly think that the people that oppose this are ‘evil’ and ‘conspiracy theorists’.

I simply have no words.

334147 ▶▶ Julian, replying to kenadams, 18, #270 of 2284 🔗

I agree with you that it makes no sense but:
1) I think a lot of people still believe the Ferguson 500,000 prediction
2) They are as or more worried about themselves as they are about granny
3) They are in denial
4) Sunk cost fallacy
5) Laziness
The number of people who’ve thought about the issue and concluded lockdowns are justified to prolong the life of very old, ill people is IMO small

334155 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Julian, 9, #271 of 2284 🔗

I believe that all those who spout off in the media justifying the continued lockdowns and demanding rule breakers be imprisoned and fined are more concerned that if they didn’t, then they might have to face up to having to admit that they were made a fool of and deceived right from the start.

334178 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #272 of 2284 🔗

They would lose their funding from the perpetrators.

334160 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Julian, 2, #273 of 2284 🔗

On points 1 to 5 we can add, ” and are stupid,”

334194 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to dhid, 6, #274 of 2284 🔗

They seem stupid but I know lots of people who are much cleverer than I am in every possible way, who believe this shit, and others who are a bit thick generally who just know it’s bollocks

I think it’s gullibility rather than stupidity

334276 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, 7, #275 of 2284 🔗

I’d say there are different types of intelligence. So people may be very clever in one way, but fucking daft in others.

334482 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to kenadams, 1, #276 of 2284 🔗

They also have absolutely no concept of individual freedom and liberty. These are principles to do completely disregarded if it means a “single life can be saved”.

335150 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to kenadams, 1, #277 of 2284 🔗

I wake up every morning with these sorts of thoughts trailing through my head. Not a good way to start the day.

334113 Will, replying to Will, 8, #278 of 2284 🔗

I take it, from the media silence, that covid has all but gone in Sweden after their trivial seasonal blip. Has anyone seen whether they have published their mortality figures for 2020? I imagine they have seen lower than five year average mortality.

334131 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Will, 4, #279 of 2284 🔗

As of December 18 their total death toll for 2020 was 91,773, still lower than 2018. For the last 20 years annual deaths there have hovered between 89 and 92 thousand. This year will probably end up at about 95,000.

So hardly piles of corpses in the streets.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

334206 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #280 of 2284 🔗

And remember that Sweden made the same mistake we did with care homes. If they hadn’t done that then they’d probably be at completely normal death rates.

334135 ▶▶ George L, replying to Will, 6, #281 of 2284 🔗

Sweden is just fine and into minus figures now, much to the chagrin of the MSM..

334356 ▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to George L, 2, #282 of 2284 🔗

Yet if you read the Guardian (yes, yes; I know), they are now in a massive wave, with millions more dead than neighbouring countries, bitterly regretting their previous idiocy. I despair.

334141 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Will, 6, #283 of 2284 🔗

Sweden only exists when it suits them.

334240 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #284 of 2284 🔗

Eh? The Swedes can slip in and out of existence at will? That’s clever but then they have always been innovative.

334143 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 9, #285 of 2284 🔗

Almost everything I have ever read in the MSM about Sweden has been a gross distortion or flat-out lie

The treatment of Sweden has been an utter disgrace to so-called journalism and so-called science

334114 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 51, #286 of 2284 🔗

It pains me to write this but I sit in complete agreement with Dr David McGrogan when he says that we lockdown sceptics have failed. As we hurtle towards yet another national shutdown, I maintain my stance that unfortunately, things have to get much, much worse before it gets better.

The government, their crack team of behavioral scientists and the mainstream media have played an absolute blinder. Generations young and old have merrily traded liberty for safety from the dreaded virus, with many completely oblivious to the exceptionally destructive consequences of stopping and starting the economy every time there is a rise in fraudulent “cases.”

In my place of business, I have had regular customers who buy the daily propaganda-fest that are the national newspapers nodding in agreement with me as I passionately state the case for a return to normality and an end to lockdowns, only for them to come in the next day to buy and digest the same pro-government, pro-lockdown tripe that is just omnipresent in this wretched New Normal.

For like it or loathe it – we are firmly embedded in the New Normal. A world where faceless automatons are everywhere, dodging each other as if they were lepers. A world where we are told natural herd immunity doesn’t exist, and experimental vaccines are the way forward. A world where governments can ride roughshod over the needs and wants of freeborn citizens to fulfil the twisted, Orwellian mission of “keeping us safe” and preserving that broken, bureaucratic abomination that is their sainted NHS.

I’m not saying we should give up. I’m not saying we should roll over and simply acquiesce to this tyrannical, fascist regime. We should continue to be shining beacons of non-compliance, and keep our minds and bodies healthy for further battles to come. We should continue to support bodies and prominent individuals who are fighting the good fight. What we must accept however is that we are dealing with some very fucking evil people here, and a cowardly, scientifically illiterate general public who at this point have been wholly inculcated with the cult-like, Covidarian mindset. Far more dangerous than the fear and hysteria is the feeling of virtue and moral superiority that arises when one wears a mask or follows “the rules” – this breeds true fascist collaborators who are willing to work with the state to crush any of us who choose to dissent.

While the media continues to brainwash millions, while the government continues to invent new ways of sustaining the terror, we have to concede that we will never be in the majority – that is until it is too late. When people start to lose their children through suicide, when people are evicted from their homes, when marriages collapse, when poverty, misery, crime and desperation is rife, only then will heads be pulled out of the sand and action will be taken.

I’ve tried to tell people the truth. I’ve tried to let them know what the “good science” is saying. You can see the cogs whirring behind the puzzled, masked face, but the damage has been done. That’s why these days, I’m more inclined to not bother. Let them have their daily dose of terror, whether it’s mutant strains or overflowing hospital wards. Whenever they approach me to comment on the subject, I’ll treat them exactly as I would a mental patient; not encourage their delusions, but perhaps offer a sympathetic nod and a pitying look. They will never know how ridiculous they sound.

We tried valiantly to warn of the coming storm. Unfortunately for now, we will continue to be relegated to the sidelines, shaking our heads as a completely avoidable crisis plays out. Normality will eventually be restored, and the maniacs currently holding the levers of power will be swept away. Our societies will later sift through the ashes of this dreadful chapter in history and wonder, just how could this have been allowed to happen?

Well, the answer is obvious. The public allowed it. They consented. They begged for more punishment. They must learn, and learn fast, that such weakness can never be repeated.

334121 ▶▶ iane, replying to Scotty87, 16, #287 of 2284 🔗

Yes, we now face Long Lockdown (to coin a phrase), during which the consequences and devastating collateral damage caused by lockdowns will gradually be revealed. Personally, I think that this will allow us finally to win, but at such a great cost that it will simply be a Pyrrhic victory.

334181 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to iane, 4, #288 of 2284 🔗

They will move all the collateral deaths onto Coronavirus #5
They are already doing it

334274 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to iane, 2, #289 of 2284 🔗

It will be a long battle, as I said above, but the final victory will, like that in 1989 be a REAL victory, not a Pyrrhic one. However, we might not see it ourselves.

334134 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Scotty87, 17, #290 of 2284 🔗

We have not failed

The war is ongoing

More people are coming over to our side all the time

It may not be enough, but we will continue

The enemy have outspent us by factor of goodness knows what on propaganda

334203 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Scotty87, 18, #291 of 2284 🔗

It grieves me to say this, and I first said it in an email to my vicar in August but we may not see the end of this our lifetime. There WILL be an and and we should continue the fight, but we do need to be realistic and realise that the fight might not be over 70 years – that is the time between the Russian Revolution and that glorious year of 1989. It is also the time of the exile of the Jews to Babylon.
The damage to our way of life that has been accomplished over the past ten months will not be repaired for at least two generations; it will be repaired but not quickly.
How we can continue this fight for generations yet unborn I do not know.
I am sorry to be so pessimistic; I attended, very briefly today, a meeting for prayer at our church. It was not an uplifting experience, one person spoke about God stopping the ‘pandemic’, completely overlooking the fact that it is the response to the epidemic that is the problem.
Then someone started praying for the NHS; that was it, I couldn’t take any more.
I do hope I am wrong and when I first wrote to my vicar in August I thought I was being extreme. Everything that has happened since has just confirmed my thoughts.
I must thank Toby from the bottom of my heart for creating and maintaining this site; a real oasis of sanity.

334270 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Scotty87, 7, #292 of 2284 🔗

Do sceptics have a duty? Why would anyone believe one section of the population has a duty to convince another section of anything. This is an absurd premise. Oh and the to suggest one group has failed in that absurd duty does nothing more than leech out positivity.

The whole arguement is false.

The whole country has been under sustained psychological attack. The attack was sprung onto a nation without any prior declaration of war – after years of being sung a lullaby by the State. It’s nothing to do with a failure of those who can see the patterns of deceit.

It is an impossiblity to ever convince somebody of anything, without deception. To understand something is an internal process at an individual level. Sceptics deal truthfully with what is before them, the other side do not. It is not a failure of sceptism it is an easy win for deception. ‘Truth will out’ is an oft used phrase precisely because of these cognitive facts.

334687 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Scotty87, 2, #293 of 2284 🔗

Step right up, step right up, come and get your covid dreams fulfilled. Yes my love? I’d like to be able to bully people not wearing a mask like me. Here we go my love, hands, face, space, you can shout that they are killing granny. We will post this everywhere for you.
Yes sir how can I help?. I would like to shout at people over the park especially young people who I hate because they are getting way more sex than I did when I was young. Here we go sir, a hi vis jacket, you are now a covid Marshall. Stop people having fun, we will also spread the truth on all mam that if you snog you will be killing granny. Get shouting.
Yes my love what can we do for you? I want to be able to complain about my neighbours, I live on my own and nobody visits me. Oh for you we have a special. Nobody can see anyone and we have the rule if six. So if you see people mixing call this number, anyone comes round your neighbours, even if they leave the lights off you can call this number and shop em. We will be having “experts” on the TV, senior ministers on chat shows all backing this up, death is knocking on their door. Can you do this important role. YES!
Hello mate, how can I help. I am annoyed because the pub in my village is open and people drink and have fun. I Don’t go because my wife and I don’t drink. Well mate your worries are over. We will close down all the pubs, we will put on TV that covid loves crowds, “experts” will spout this from the pulpit of covid and they will all come crashing down in economic ruin. Keep your eyes open and make sure there are no illegal gatherings, can you do that. OH YES!!!!

334117 George L, replying to George L, 15, #294 of 2284 🔗

Right from the start this was never about health or a bog ordinary virus. Its about getting that vaccine into people, and total control. Agenda 21/30 planned for decades by those who want full spectrum dominance over the planet and every aspect our lives.

Frank knew what was coming..

334118 ▶▶ George L, replying to George L, 8, #295 of 2284 🔗

So did John…

334127 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #296 of 2284 🔗

Received from an American friend.

Divide and rule, worked for the Stasi in East Germany, in Communist Russia and China and a lot of other places for a long time.

334144 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #297 of 2284 🔗

Is your neighbour a Maga hat wearing Trump supporter? Please call us toll free

334167 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #298 of 2284 🔗

That’s not the US spelling of neighbour.

334215 ▶▶ mj, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #299 of 2284 🔗

english spelling of neighbour and telephone number format definitely not USA.. Might be New Zealand

335106 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mj, #300 of 2284 🔗

Telephone code seems to be for Barra (Outer Hebrides)

334133 Nigel_N, replying to Nigel_N, 34, #301 of 2284 🔗

Lockdown sceptics are not loosing the battle, just failing to measure success.

First it is neccessary to accept that sceptics could never win an emotional battle: the NHS has always been able to play the death card to a population who do not understand the national death rate; the BBC has far greater resources to get its propagnda out than any group of individuals (sorry Toby, but that 60inch screen in living rooms and bedrooms across the country is so much more powerful than a few column inches of print); our society has no compassion for suicides or bankrupts.

The success of Lockdown Sceptics (thanks Toby) can be measured on two fronts. The first is the emotional support that has been given to those who do not accept the mono-message so-called science. Just knowing that there are others out there who think the same way has been helpful.

The end of lockdown is not going to come about as a result of a voluntary change in government policy. Instead there will be a continued rise in people ignoring restrictions. Traffic levels will continue to rise, more people will be out in the streets, any queues will become more compact. Where I live the motorway was busy over most of the recent break and the coffee shops in the local parks had long queues; this is no longer a terrified society. Without a questioning and rebellious core of people this would not be happening.

The problem for our governments comes in March and April, when our innumerate society cannot understand that the vaccination of a few million people is unsufficient for their release, nor why they have yet to have their jab. That is when life could get more interesting and small-scale protest becomes something more.

334336 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nigel_N, 5, #302 of 2284 🔗

When enough people ignore the Government – we win

334518 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nigel_N, 6, #303 of 2284 🔗

More people suffering economically, no longer furloughed with pay might also make a difference.

335865 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Waldorf, #304 of 2284 🔗

Yes. When people are no longer paid, they will effectively be forced back to work; then, a few weeks later, when they realise that they and their friends aren’t keeling over and sadlidying, then reality (and the truth) will gradually dawn.

335774 ▶▶ number 6, replying to Nigel_N, #305 of 2284 🔗

Remember, Remember the……….Well I could finish but it may seem a bit extreme? However a more recent event comes to mind – Poll Tax and how the people finally knocked that on the head. If you are too young to remember here is a link from a site I distrust:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_riots

Will it all end like this? Possibly.

The indoctrination and resultant Mass Hysteria are far too great now for mere reasoning to overcome. The father of modern propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, proved that worked well and now we are following his path not realising how powerful and dangerous it can be. Almost by default we have stumbled into a totalitarian state that cares little for its citizens or logical reasoning. Yes the calm and responsible stance of Lockdown Sceptics is failing, we are in need of a new strategy. On a more optimistic note I have seen more of my friends & family begin to question, although still singing to the NHS religion hymn book in public – they’l learn.

334136 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 19, #306 of 2284 🔗

As a layman in all of this, I have spent some time trying to come up with some rational for the events of the past year, which avoid the conspiracy theories etc Here’s my take on what, in my humble opinion, has been a monumental cock up from start to finish.

Back in November 2019, the Tories won a huge majority in the face of a pretty ineffective and unelectable opposition. The only area in which Labour consistently scored points was on the subject of NHS management.

Aware of the criticism, even from withing their own rank and file, when news of a virus, with similar infection rates and mortality to influenza started to circulate, they panicked. Afraid of a repeat of previous years, with images of corridors full of trolleys, ambulances outside A&E for hours on end, they emptied as many patients out of hospitals as possible, stopped referals from GP’s etc. All this to prove that the NHS could effectively manage a proper outbreak of a widespread winter infection.

Of course, the law of unexpected consequences kicked in, and large numbers of elderly, who had been removed from hospital care died, not necessarily from the virus, but also from the lack of health care that a hospital could provide but nursing homes could not. The number of deaths were a cause of further panic, and huge amounts were squandered on the over-reaction in an attempt to deflect attention from who was really responsible for a large number of the deaths.

By May, the effects of the virus had all but died out, hospital admissions had dropped and the country, in general returned to a semi normal life. Lockdowns were mostly lifted, but now questions were being asked about what would happen this winter. Would the NHS be able to cope and if not, how would it look, given that several hundred billion had been spent to “protect the NHS” and prevent wholesale embarrassment of the government?

The mass testing program was intended to weed out those who were unwell with what remained of this virus strain, and to be able to isolate them from the rest of society. Unfortunately, the only test they had, despite being recommended by the WHO on the say so of its creator, proved to be totally ineffective in showing who was actually ill. It could only show if you had come in contact with the virus at some point. This led to large numbers of perfectly healthy individuals being removed from society for weeks at a time. Of course, because a lot of this testing centred around hospital staff, it is only natural that they will have most staff affected, So when the time came for infect rates and hospital admissions to rise again, instead of being prepared, as they may well have been if they had been fully staffed, they have shot themsleves in the foot yet again and created a crisis of their own making.

Meanwhile, the government are left trying to convince the nation that there is a real health crisis through propaganda, media manipulation and behavioural psychology to cover up the fact that the crisis is a man made one of their own creation.

.

334166 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Richy_m_99, 16, #307 of 2284 🔗

A UK-centric explanation which cannot explain the fact that 150+ other countries have similar or harsher measures in place.

334172 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to rockoman, 6, #308 of 2284 🔗

I suspect that each country has its own reason for their particular behaviour. Who can argue that the virus was a Godsend for the US Democratic party for example.

334214 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richy_m_99, 15, #309 of 2284 🔗

Except the PM of Belarus literally stated he was bribed by the World Bank to lockdown the economy.
Have to take him at his word

334226 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Richy_m_99, 11, #310 of 2284 🔗

That argument doesn’t stand up anymore.I could accept there was panic at the start when dealing with an unknown virus but remember Covid was taken off the list of highly infectious diseases on March 19.
Also the fact that the government would spend £400 billion on a public relations exercise beggars belief and nearly every government in the world is following a similar path.
We don’t the reason why but it is undeniable that the government is up to no good.

334250 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #311 of 2284 🔗

I think that Richy is pretty much right in his analysis. There is plenty of incompetence and subsequent attempts by the authorities to cover themselves for this. But I also think there is more going on here. There are agendas ruthlessly making use of this situation.

334373 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #312 of 2284 🔗

Thank you. I agree that certain individuals, within our government and the scientific community are abusing the opportunity to for financial gain, either for themselves or acquaintances. The sums being spent on test kits and vaccines is lining some very wealthy pockets.

335128 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #313 of 2284 🔗

You’ve overlooked the glaring fact (among others) that GPs were prohibited from treating the sick in care homes. People died of treatable illnesses like septicaemia due to deliberate witholding of healthcare.

The mass-testing program, like the sudden introduction of face nappies in summer, was a deliberate ploy to maintain the public’s fear and the pretence of an ongoing deadly epidemic.

334137 PoshPanic, 10, #314 of 2284 🔗

Sebastian Rushworths piece, though a little over simplified, does seem like the most likely version at this point. Combine it with a big tech sandwich and we have the perfect recipe.

Obviously they see the vaccine is seen as the way out, even though they all know it’s about as effective as a paper rain mac.

334140 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #315 of 2284 🔗

reply from email to my (decent) MP this morning

“I am completely sympathetic to your points regarding lockdown. I remain totally unconvinced that lockdowns work or that these restrictions are proportionate, after all we were told we absolutely needed the November lockdown, yet came out of it in a worse place than we went in. I am also very concerned that lockdowns cause more harms than the thing they are supposed to fix.

I am continuing to lobby Government to find an alternative but the reality is this new variant has changed the parameters of the debate .”

my bold

334148 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to steve_w, 9, #316 of 2284 🔗

And he/she was doing so well up to that point.

334158 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #317 of 2284 🔗

They aren’t wrong though: months of chiselling away at the corona-lies have been undone as the answer can always be ‘But the new variant kills children!’

334153 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to steve_w, 7, #318 of 2284 🔗

And the new variant, of the new variant will change the parameters of the debate until the new variant of the new variant will change…..

334187 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to steve_w, 2, #319 of 2284 🔗

Says the MP on full pay. Surely they should now be subject to the same financial penalties as the rest of us affected by this shitshow. After all,’ we’re all in this together’.

334190 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 4, #320 of 2284 🔗

Ask the for details as to exactly how the new variant has done this

334142 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 10, #321 of 2284 🔗

Debbie Hicks who was arrested for filming an empty hospital speaks out

https://www.bitchute.com/video/71ygd4ZNHshM/

Her own account of her arrest and treatment at the police station.

334183 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #322 of 2284 🔗

Her account is horrific, especially the suggestion by the police that, because she didn’t understand the legalese, she may have a mental health problem.

334242 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 6, #323 of 2284 🔗

This is common and no different from bullying. If they can stigmatise you in your own perception of yourself they have you submitting. The police whine about not being trained to deal with issues of mental health yet in such circumstances as this dressing gown arrest the police have not problem diagnosing mental health based the shit they have for brains. Mental health organisations might like to consider lobbying for clear protocols of engagement by the police in such times – clearly no reasonable minded police officer woukd mot be able to see the experiences the lady had been subjected to, it’s probable that those very experiences were calculated by the police beforehand. Yes, the would mean the police officers involved conspired to contrive those experiences for the lady. Mental health charities need to look at how the police operate, clearly bullying is not acceptable.

334145 mikec, replying to mikec, 18, #324 of 2284 🔗

I’ve been absorbing all of the posts and articles about our ‘failure’ to win the argument on Lockdown and can only say that we should all be assured that we’re on the ‘right side’. We know the inconvenient truths of lockdown, the babies killed and sexually abused, the countless suicides, the 6 million Britons on anti-depressants, the enormous rise in domestic violence and the 50000 abandoned to an early cancer death. And that doesn’t include those discharged by the NHS to care homes to die.

At the risk of being roundly ridiculed I have the following observation, now the Christmas decorations have disappeared I’m going to join the virtue signallers and place a lockdown (inconvenient) victims LED candle in my front window , if you can’t beat them join them. I’ll know what it’s for, my neighbours won’t be able to resist asking what it’s for, and then I’ll give them the full on emotional reasons. Fcuk their rainbows and clapping.

Just ordered an accompanying sticker from eBay, there seems to be a large number of sceptic printers! My New Year, My New Approach.

334150 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mikec, 10, #325 of 2284 🔗

Do everything you can, however small, to bring down the Coronatarians

334146 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 1, #326 of 2284 🔗

Light at the end of the tunnel, or no way out of the tunnel. General Election, May 2nd, 2024, if not sooner.

334168 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to PatrickF, 5, #327 of 2284 🔗

Light at the end of the tunnel. No, some bastard with a torch bringing you a list of even more restrictions, whichever party gets into power.

334354 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Richy_m_99, #328 of 2284 🔗

Don’t worry we can always get some more tunnel.

334380 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to PatrickF, #329 of 2284 🔗

Puppet Governments only now.

334714 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to PatrickF, 1, #330 of 2284 🔗

But who to vote for? Does Nigel have his anti lockdown party up and running. Other than that all you can do is none of the above!

334152 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #331 of 2284 🔗

“Communications should focus on alerting the public and organisations that: (a)previous levels of adherence to preventive measures are unlikely to sufficiently reduce transmission of the new variant, especially in winter; and (b) environmental and personal measures can still reduce transmission if applied more rigorously, including within the home environment (high confidence).”

So, they really are going to mandate masks or whatever in your home – something that simply cannot be policed. That just shows they really don’t have a fucking clue.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948607/s0995-mitigations-to-reduce-transmission-of-the-new-variant.pdf

334721 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #332 of 2284 🔗

So a rigorous application of idiotic measures that have had no effect on transmission. Yes that will work wonders.

334154 swedenborg, 3, #333 of 2284 🔗

Anybody surprised that the variant was found in the UK and not in France?

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1345931891367702529

“USA is shown with red dot; only ~1 in 400 covid cases are sequenced. Which makes no sense because Australia is sequencing almost 1 in 2 cases, UK is sequencing almost 1 in 20 cases”

334156 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 28, #334 of 2284 🔗

Covid “chuckles”: went to my local pharmacy this morning for my repeat dispensing meds to be told: “you’ve run out of authorised meds, you need to contact your doctor (in the same building, 20 yards away”).
“OK, I’ll pop into the doctors and sort it out”.
“No,no, you can’t see a receptionist without an appointment”.
Picture me outside the medical centre speaking on the phone to the receptionist that I could see 20 yards away.
AIN’T LIFE FUN?

334359 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #335 of 2284 🔗

This is exactly what now happens when I go to the vets’ surgery. I have an elderly dog who was diagnosed with leukaemia a month ago. Every frequent visit to the vets since, including the original consultation, has involved parking up at the vets, phoning a receptionist whom I can see behind a desk 15 feet away, getting an instruction to sit in the car (registration has to be given so staff know which car) until ‘someone will come out to see you’, donning a mask without which whoever comes out in full PPE will not deal with you. Someone comes out and asks what the problem is, they then take the (in my case this weekend, very unwell) pet away from you and you have to wait in the car (alongside other similarly occupied cars usually with masked people inside) not knowing what your pet is going through, not being able to reassure your pet, or being able to discuss their condition with the vet.

It’s sheer cruelty for owners and pets but the staff obviously love the drama and don’t appear to be aware of the inhumanity or torment of it all. This all happens even if clients have a pre-booked appointment.

334395 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #336 of 2284 🔗

And we’re the ones who are classed as stupid,conspiracy theorists and in denial. DD.
Like our “ode mon” used to say: “If they’re right, I know where there’s an houseful”.
The lunatics have truly taken over the asylum.

334159 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #337 of 2284 🔗

…… & the point in spending countless £millions on mass testing in Liverpool was?

334188 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 3, #338 of 2284 🔗

It was good theatre

Until they are called on on their stupid projects by the media and the opposition the govt can continue to flap around with impunity

334161 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 17, #339 of 2284 🔗

A bit off topic but BBC is now advertising an upcoming show….wait for….it….they are trying to find the best dog groomer.

No wonder (most) of the nation is being turned into jelly brained idiots.

334180 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 2, #340 of 2284 🔗

Thank god I’m no longer contributing to this dross.

334196 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to stefarm, 2, #341 of 2284 🔗

Even worse on the commercial stations.

334305 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to stefarm, 12, #342 of 2284 🔗

BBC knows all about grooming

334169 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #343 of 2284 🔗

Steve Hayes’ post earlier perfectly encapsulates what we are up against; I don’t think we can shift ’em…

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/04/latest-news-244/#comment-333979

334184 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #344 of 2284 🔗

People are shifting all the time, before our eyes

Just not as many as we need and might have hoped given that the truth seems so obvious to us

Not everyone can be shifted, but some/many can

334173 Jo Starlin, 10, #345 of 2284 🔗

Sweden total deaths (all causes) to December 18 are 91,773. That’s a bit up on last year but still lower than the 2018 total (92,815). With two weeks of the year to go and a normal weekly death rate of about 1600, they’ll top out at about 95,000.

Ferguson’s model predicted that many deaths from Covid alone.

The evidence is clear and unequivocal. The only measure that counts is deaths. Lockdown is a fraud.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

334176 Anti_socalist, replying to Anti_socalist, 9, #346 of 2284 🔗

I’m not a follower of conspiracy theories/ists I some times watch the odd show on various platforms for a laugh at some of the wilder theories they can be entertaining & help pass the lockdown time. To be clear I don’t think there’s a secretive James bond villain plotting & orchestrating take over the world from an opulent futuristic bunker from the bottom of an ocean somewhere!

I’ve not waisted my time or energy researching the WEF, great reset or agenda 21. I know virtually nothing about 5G (though i wouldn’t just carelessly dismiss there maybe health concerns, same as i wouldn’t choose to live under an electricity pylon, & why are governments so obsessed with it & china spying on our downloads etc? but 5g doesn’t give me sleepless nights, i don’t really care, i don’t use mobile phones) I’m semi sceptic of “climate change” I think there’s partial truths but the cause has been politically hyped for a nefarious agenda, what that is i have no idea. Vaccines have a time & place but i don’t subscribe to the indiscriminate use of pharmaceuticals, every medicine is a necessary poison if your sick.

But we live in lively political times, everything we do is becoming highly politicised, every level of civil/public service has become political, police, NHS, education, military etc. I see history repeating the difference being there isn’t a loan nut or two looking for world domination, there’s a whole political class of Hitlers & Mussolini’s ! ‘Neo-liberal Globalists elites’ .

The threats to our freedoms, rights & culture are real, this is only made easier with advances in technology & to make light of this is incredibly dangerous you mock & dismiss those fertile & curious (whistle blower) types, you label as conspiracy theorists at your peril.

I suspect there were plenty of warnings about the aspirations of the likes of Hitler, pol pot, Stalin etc that could’ve prevented those atrocities but no one paid enough attention to the warning signs.

Covid is a real infectious disease for those that are badly infected it can be nasty as can flu, but this “pandemic” has been hijacked by political opportunists lockdowns have an agenda!

334228 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socalist, 3, #347 of 2284 🔗

I suppose your post rests on whether ‘hijacking’ or ‘created and stage-managed’ is the more accurate verb. 🙂

334269 ▶▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to JohnB, 4, #348 of 2284 🔗

Nah I’m not a subscriber of a man-made zoonosis, when this all kicked off, it was no surprise that china acted the way it did, & i was expecting the virus here ( i even stocked up, back in Jan before it was fashionably problematic (food not toilet paper) & that’s because i don’t wish to be dependent on government) but i never saw the lockdown coming, its important to note the sudden change in government attitude in march! That’s when I became suspicious.

Was it a coincidence that government suddenly adopted advice from a physics professor whos made a career out of being wrong, or was he a useful idiot & future scapegoat? Whatever the answer it was clear to me lockdown was political not medical prevention.

334631 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socalist, 1, #349 of 2284 🔗

Yep, political not medical. From the beginning.

So not ‘hijacked’ but ‘created’ ? 🙂

334282 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Anti_socalist, 4, #350 of 2284 🔗

Funny how the 5G conspiracies have gone quiet. Or maybe I just do not see it.
I heard a funny item the other day, where a young man was telling a shopkeeper that as he had 5G he does not need to wear a mouthnosecovering, as 5G kills the virus and just having the phone on his person he has a shield around him.

334635 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Silke David, 1, #351 of 2284 🔗

Funny how the 5G conspiracies have gone quiet.

Yeah, weird that, the msm have just completely stopped discussing it.

334177 Crystal Decanter, #352 of 2284 🔗

probably got rogered senseless during that yacht trip with all those men

334179 alw, 19, #353 of 2284 🔗

A totally depressing day for those of us who want to live and enjoy a full life knowing all the attendant risks. We need to rid ourselves of the malign politicians and their hangers on but am at a loss as too how. Too many believe the propaganda and never question.

334182 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #354 of 2284 🔗

latest updated swedish overall mortality

very minor second season

334329 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to steve_w, 2, #355 of 2284 🔗

Interesting to compare with Spain

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dj4xg4yvcf78x30/EXCESO%20VS%20COVID%20-%20ESPA%C3%91A%202020-Madrid.pdf?dl=0

A bit similar increase in the autumn spike and both countries testing like mad with both countries 10-15 times C-19 “cases”

The intresting thing is Madrid.No excess death in second peak even if they had C-19 “deaths” they don’t show up in the excess death.Madrid was the hot spot in April and could be indication of herdimmunity.

It will be interesting to see if Stockholm has the same death pattern as the second peak in Sweden seem to have affected previous regions (Skane)much harder.

334185 chaos, replying to chaos, 7, #356 of 2284 🔗

Boris.. still PM.. for how much longer?

334197 ▶▶ alw, replying to chaos, 16, #357 of 2284 🔗

Sir Graham Brady and rebels a total failure.

334225 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to alw, 8, #358 of 2284 🔗

100% this. Abject failures each of them. Wretches.

334199 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to chaos, 3, #359 of 2284 🔗

another 3 years..he is here to stay and there is nothing to kick him out!

334212 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Thomas_E, 11, #360 of 2284 🔗

Yep, Bastards In Charge imprisoned us; Bastards In Opposition want to imprison us. Where do you go?

334302 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, 1, #361 of 2284 🔗

Replace the Pig Dictator with whom?
Another Tory scoundrel ??

334189 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 6, #362 of 2284 🔗

Trying to keep my spirits up by thinking of countries I can go to to escape this madness. Sweden seems to be buckling under the pressure so it’s off the list for now. So far I’ve got Belarus, Tanzania and Armenia. Any other suggestions?

334192 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Chicot, 4, #363 of 2284 🔗

South Dakota, but I’d leave that for at least a year to see how much Biden ruins America.

334403 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to kenadams, 3, #364 of 2284 🔗

Florida also is pretty free. De Santis opened everything up a few months ago and it’s actually doing well by comparison with California, which is in hard-core lockdown mode.

334585 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Chicot, #365 of 2284 🔗

Do any of the american media report on this comparison or try to justify it at all?

334202 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to Chicot, 1, #366 of 2284 🔗

I think Mexico is behaving fairly normally.

334207 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Chicot, 2, #367 of 2284 🔗

Iceland seems fairly normal. Not in the EU which is a blessing

334221 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Chicot, #368 of 2284 🔗

Bolsonaro in Brazil is fairly sceptical, but it’s a federal country so he has limited power

334238 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Chicot, 2, #369 of 2284 🔗

I think with time many more countries will join them. Brazil for sure.

Poor countries in general, because their ability to finance colective insanity runs out first.

334264 ▶▶ Will, replying to Chicot, 9, #370 of 2284 🔗

Sweden isn’t buckling under the pressure. Their new protocols were recommendations rather than laws and they were considerably looser than any relaxations we saw in the UK over the summer.

334286 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Chicot, 2, #371 of 2284 🔗

Nicaragua.

334421 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Chicot, 1, #372 of 2284 🔗

In the light of other people’s comments on your post, you might be interested to see this video (ignore the ‘warning’ at the beginning) from Sky News Australia of an interview with US lawyer Michael Senger who has investigated the role of China in influencing the global pandemic reaction. He has some interesting observations about the differences between the countries that have instituted lockdowns and those that haven’t.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWLItLt90ys&bpctr=1609763864

334193 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 53, #373 of 2284 🔗

We seem to be dividing, as a nation into separate classes more obviously now, when one would have thought that class differences were disappearing.
One aspect of this whole affair that has not been discussed so far as i know is the apparent immunity of the tradespeople of the country .
At the first lockdown when most of us were too frightened to walk outside, when we did do so it was obvious that where building work was going on (many houses being pulled down and rebuilt even grander in our area) the workmen were taking no precautions, mingling, sitting beside each other having a brew, etc. So the mortality rate amongst building workers from Covid must have been appalling- not. Last month , during another lockdown , or were we inTier 4 – one loses count – we had builders in ourselves for 2 weeks, Much brewing of tea for them, using our toilets, etc . Result – no infection (and we are in the vulnerable group) despite no silly masks, hand sanitizers, and these men were probably out in the community every day.
Just phoned up for a service and MOT . Any restictions I ask since we will probably be in tier God knows what by then. No, came the reply from the garage man. Just bring the car in as normal.
“As normal” , miusic to one’s ears . There is a population out there , getting on with ordinary life , totally ignored by the media and the Govt and apparently none the worse for it. But because they are trades people the BBC and Guardian have no idea that they even exist, except when they want a new kitchen installed or a loft conversion..

334205 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to mikewaite, 28, #374 of 2284 🔗

That’s been my experience. No nonsense, practical blokes who get things done. Car mechanic/builder/tree bloke/chimney sweep. No swerving, no masks, no crap and a delight to deal with.

334218 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to kh1485, 13, #375 of 2284 🔗

The facefit test for respiratory protection is quite rigourous, if you’re ever had one done you’d realise how ridiculous it is suggesting a piece of cloth does anything. RPE is only trying to stop MDF and silica dusts not a virus.

334272 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #376 of 2284 🔗

Anyone who’s not sceptical fails my ‘facefit’ test 🙂

334252 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 7, #377 of 2284 🔗

The two local guys we had in before this shitshow doing our complete re-plumb weren’t even bothered about the very real risk of asbestos, would joke about it, so that puts covid in perspective.

I’m not bothered about covid but I do take precautions if I’m likely to be dealing with asbestos.

334209 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to mikewaite, 33, #378 of 2284 🔗

I work with lots of trades, mostly self employed subcontractors. None one has any time for covid, too busy earning a living. Minimal job security, no sick pay, no holiday pay, no pension contributions, have to pay for your own insurance. Most pro lockdown people I know have secure incomes, either pensions or salaried & public sector

334232 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to mikewaite, 13, #379 of 2284 🔗

I’ve been saying that for months. I know loads of working blokes, none of them are particularly bothered and they were all back in the pub the day it opened in July.

334255 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to mikewaite, 21, #380 of 2284 🔗

When asking one of our couriers why hed hadn’t had one day off during a global pandemic he said
” I know loads of people of sick or self isolating, the difference is I’m self employed”

he got a bit extra in his christmas tip.

334321 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to mikewaite, 14, #381 of 2284 🔗

I’ve said before, the self-employed can’t afford to be hysterical and their body count hasn’t gone up “exponentially”. The only time they have stopped is when government restrictions make it impossible to carry on e.g. pub landlords, restaurateurs, hairdressers. All tradesmen have kept on buggering on when they can, bless them. They are showing the chattering classes up for the selfish morons that they are.

334385 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 7, #382 of 2284 🔗

Exactly. I’ve just had to contact the estate agent who was selling my house to retrieve my key. I’ve just been informed that as they are not letting “members of the public inside the office”, I will have to knock on the window and they will come out and give me the key. It remains to be seen just how they will hand the key over. I have visions of some frit member of staff venturing outside with say a bamboo cane with my key wobbling precariously on the end so that my diseased mitt can take it. No doubt, for my ‘safety’, the key will have been sanitised.

334746 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mikewaite, 7, #383 of 2284 🔗

My daughters boyfriend is an air con installer and repairer. Just business as usual. No masks, no social distancing. If there truly was a virulent virus surely everyone in tesco and sainsbury would be dead? At the peak we all went shopping, no masks, no screens, all coughing over the goods and staff? Where are the body bags?

334200 Stephen Priest, replying to Stephen Priest, 5, #384 of 2284 🔗

What Is A Covid-19 Case?
Dr. Sam Bailey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2aR2UInnug

Dr Sam starts from scratch and explains what is a Covid-19 case and unravels the web.

334210 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Stephen Priest, 10, #385 of 2284 🔗

What I’ve found when suggesting people watch or listen to Sam Bailey, Malcolm Kendrick, John Lee or Claire Craig I am accused of finding people that agree with my viewpoint or they attack the veracity of their presentations or theories.

334219 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 9, #386 of 2284 🔗

Well of course both sides do that – the important thing is for everyone to look at both sets of arguments and decide which ones they see as most convincing, and not just believe what the govt and the BBC tell them

Beyond that, ask them about deaths – how many people usually die in the UK, and their average age, how many have died this year, how those figures differ, and what the figures look like now (adjusted for season and population) compared to recent averages (5 years and 25 years for example) and ask them to explain how what they find constitutes an unprecedented emergency. They won’t be able to, and all this can be achieved using “official” figures.

334231 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Julian, 12, #387 of 2284 🔗

Unfortunately your average chump still hasn’t got the faintest clue about how many people die every year. A population armed with this basic knowledge wouldn’t be so easily frightened. I find most of the time that people simply refuse to believe me when I give them the figures, which they could look up for themselves within 10 seconds.

334455 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #388 of 2284 🔗

A few days ago an acquaintance of mine was expressing how shocked he was at the ‘numbers of coronavirus deaths’ that were occurring – he is a true BBC disciple. I firstly explained that what are presented on TV as daily tallies are not actually that, they are a convenient consolidation of death figures occurring over several weeks. I then asked him if he realised that approx 1600 people die on average every day in England of all causes and have done consistently for years. There was a silence at the end of the phone.

To add to that I gave him some more inconvenient facts about the statistics, asymptomatic transmission, and the PCR test and his reaction was to ask sarcastically why he hadn’t seen this information in the papers or on the TV news. I said that it was because dissenting voices were not allowed and were even being censored. He said sarcastically “You’re saying we don’t live in a democracy and the government’s acting like a Communist state?” “Yes” was my simple reply. He then changed the subject, but it’s clear he just thinks I’m deluded.

334229 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to p02099003, 5, #389 of 2284 🔗

I am someone who likes to see facts and data to back up something and this was main reason why I voted no in Scottish referendum as I found Yes side failed to convince me.
In this case everything against lockdowns, how serious covid actually is etc can be backed up with data, usually from governments own websites like NHS or ONS. Everything that pro lockdown side says seems to be based on exaggerated predictions and stuff pulled out of thin air (mutant variant) that when investigated completely falls down.

334257 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to dpj, 10, #390 of 2284 🔗

When 100,000 die of the flu in the late 60s and 64,000 excess deaths occur in one month (Jan 2018) but I’m told that a respiratory disease is going to kill 10 times that, that’s an extraordinary claim?

So where is the extraordinary evidence?

I’ve been a physicist/engineer/modellers(yes that too)/rocket scientist for over 20 years. Many different fields but the same methods. I could smell this a mile off.

334542 ▶▶▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to mhcp, 1, #391 of 2284 🔗

I am wholeheartedly agre with you, but just a extraordinary claims don’t need extraordinary evidence. In actual fact they just need more evidence than the alternative (this is a Carl Sagan saying which has been successfully refuted). The proponderence is on the LS side so good news!

334759 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mhcp, 1, #392 of 2284 🔗

The other stupidity is that they use the modelling figure on the bbc to show how many lives they have SAVED!!! So 60,000 dead, we said 500,000, our policy has saved 440,000 lives. And nobody on the fucking bbc (I refuse to put this shitshow in capitals) challenges this assumption.

334837 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #393 of 2284 🔗

Yes, total garbage, but this is the line they will be pushing to show how ‘successful’ they have been. Very important for some stats guys to debunk this.

334208 NickR, 7, #394 of 2284 🔗

NHS England hospital occupancy data since 2010/11 tells an interesting story. Occupancy fell to 60% during the spring pandemic. I posted yesterday NHS data showing occupancy flatlining since the beginning of Nov in both London & across the country.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/bed-availability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/

334220 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 1, #395 of 2284 🔗

Re the suicidal poem – counting the number of ‘me’s and ‘I’s in it gives a perspective.

Focusing on helping/serving/healing others would possibly have a large effect.

334708 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #396 of 2284 🔗

Anyone fancy explaining their downvotes ? I’m curious.

334868 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to JohnB, #397 of 2284 🔗

Maybe a mistake? Well, I just gave you an upvote because your point is certainly worth making.

And I actually initially hit the down button. Luckily I was able to delete my mistaken downvote and upvote you as I intended.

Which is not to say I do not also understand sentiments in the poem.

334222 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 76, #398 of 2284 🔗

I’ve just got off the phone to the Met. concerning this video:

https://youtu.be/Hei6WfowtNQ

Yesterday the old bill were marching in big numbers through Hyde Park to the bizarre tune of ‘Hup Two Hup Two’. Absurdly and hypocritically, we saw the old bill in separate, big groups, all tight together, all from different households, telling people to disperse/not to be in large groups from different households.

I asked to be put through to Cressida Dick. I knew they’d never do that, But sod it, I thought. I was told they couldn’t do that. Shocker. I then asked for her direct e-mail. Nope, they couldn’t give me that either, but said they could give me her PA’s e-mail. I passed. I wanted to contact the ghastly Dick directly or not at all. The PC asked me what my complaint regarding the officers was about, exactly, so I told him and asked him if he could see the absurdity and stupidity. He said No, not really. He said the old bill have to work together at close quarters, and that’s their ‘bubble’. I said Okay, so these groups of about 25-30 I saw in the video are all in the same ‘bubble,’ are they? Are you suggesting they’re *always* together and that groups are not constantly mixed around with people being placed elsewhere? Silence. I said What about the *families* of the individuals in these ‘bubbles’? Are *they* all part of these ‘bubbles’? Again, silence. I said, ‘Starting to get even more absurd, isn’t it?’ I said the old bill know this virus is not as deadly as it’s being made to sound. Their actions consistently demonstrate this. I said the fatality ratio is in real terms no worse than a bad influenza season.

The PC asked for my name but I refused, saying I no longer trust the old bill. I said they are no longer on the public’s side. I said they ought to be refusing to act in this disgraceful manner, and that they have departed from serving and protecting the public. He gave me a reference number (fat lot of good it’ll do) and we parted on polite terms.

This country has fallen to tyranny, and the tyrants and their foot soldiers do not care how absurd and hypocritical they look. And worst of all, it looks like the gormless British people don’t care.

334290 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #400 of 2284 🔗

Here’s a video from the US. “Asking the cops the same easily questions they ask us.” It’s very funny. Maybe we should adopt the same tactics – like conservative above. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r55BFO9ZVaM&t=15s

334465 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Londo Mollari, #401 of 2284 🔗

A great laugh, but was anything achieved.

334617 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #402 of 2284 🔗

Brilliant. That is one exceptionally brave dude.

And of course things were achieved – a puzzled unsettled police officer, upholding of normal freedoms, all to be followed up (maybe) with a ‘This is what it feels like’ video.

334639 ▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #403 of 2284 🔗

Ha ha. That was outrageous! The copper was clearly rattled.

334249 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to common conservative, 7, #404 of 2284 🔗

I was considering contacting my local chief constable asking for them to investigate possible breaches of the terrorism act.

334259 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to p02099003, 9, #405 of 2284 🔗

Indeed. Posted this before, from CPS website:

Terrorism is the use or threat of action, both in and outside of the UK, designed to influence any international government organisation or to intimidate the public . It must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.

Examples include:

  • serious violence against a person or damage to property,
  • endangering a person’s life (other than that of the person committing the action),
  • creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public,
  • action designed to seriously interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
334298 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to common conservative, 4, #406 of 2284 🔗

A police officer was asked at the protest NYE in Stuttgart how come he can stand shoulder to shoulder with colleagues.
We are key workers.

334366 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to common conservative, 5, #407 of 2284 🔗

Well done indeed! One of the great sadnesses that’s come out of all this is the loss of our faith in our police force. I don’t suppose the ordinary copper is too pleased about it either.

334483 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Banjones, 6, #408 of 2284 🔗

I believe the ‘ordinary copper’ is loving all of this, my friend. If not, where the hell are they? What are they doing? Any copper who is not happy with this but fails to speak out is utterly complicit.

334425 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to common conservative, 2, #409 of 2284 🔗
334458 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to this is my username, #410 of 2284 🔗

I had already tried that page, my friend. Those aren’t her direct details. Try belling the ‘direct’ number to Dick. You get cut off. I believe the e-mail belongs to her PA at best.

334540 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to common conservative, 1, #411 of 2284 🔗
334661 ▶▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Awkward Git, #412 of 2284 🔗

Thanks, AG. That involves giving them my details, and I’m not doing that.

335325 ▶▶ Jo, replying to common conservative, 1, #413 of 2284 🔗

Have you thought of trying the Commissioner who is elected in each area? I saw a video a while ago suggesting this.

335389 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Jo, #414 of 2284 🔗

No I hadn’t thought of that, Jo. I’ll look into it, see if it’s worth considering. Thank you.

336180 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to common conservative, 1, #415 of 2284 🔗

The Old Bill are simply order followers. Excluding the government, they are now the public’s main enemy.

334223 Basics, replying to Basics, 14, #416 of 2284 🔗

Interesting small business take on Calexit – the exodus from California. Lockdown opression causing migration out of California. Comic book / Pulp youtube influencer shares his thoughts for leaving Newsom’s state. Includes some stats, about a third of the states small businesses are finished. Background is the influencer guy used to run a Comic book shop before it closed a few years ago and he began his youtube channel. 10 mins.

https://youtu.be/JNmMCaJ016g

334281 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Basics, 5, #417 of 2284 🔗

Calexit puts the lie to the idea that LSs are a minority who lost.

334233 wantok87, replying to wantok87, 6, #418 of 2284 🔗

The perceptive insight into the human behaviour reaction and why lockdown sceptics lost the argument is depressing. The pandemic has seen the elevation of mathematical guesswork, modelling,and the emergence of its proponents ie epidemiologists, which has seemingly never been questioned by Government. If data does not fit it is ignored. The new variant is an example. The rise in cases in SE blamed on the new variant while excluding the data from Wales where a similar rise has only 10% of new variant. There is a profound misunderstanding of how science works from the need to establish gaining funding by expressing expertise which essentially means it is difficult to say you were wrong , need to publish and the difference between association and causation. When scientists have become integral to political decisions eg Neil Ferguson there is little possibility of a change of direction ,whatever the data, because in the BBC and other media will condemn this as a U turn.

334248 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to wantok87, 14, #419 of 2284 🔗

I don’t think the argument has been lost. I don’t think LS’s are in a small minority. And talking about it in th epast tense – like the war is over – only spreads demoralisation.

334355 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #420 of 2284 🔗

I agree with you a hundred per cent. Any defeatist talk is self-fulfilling. It’s exactly what the MSM want us to feel – that we’re outnumbered and scorned by every ”right-thinking person”.
If we don’t stay positive, and SPEAK positively, then we definitely shall lose ground,

334254 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to wantok87, 11, #421 of 2284 🔗

Climate change was the gateway drug. They’ve been doing this for years spouting supposition as if it is fact and yet at the very same time eating, drinking and using transport all because other engineers and scientists decided to actually make things safe with science and ethics. Hypocrtical to say the least.

I’m actually quite pleased at this shitshow now. Because never again can these ‘scientists” say that their methods are better than tried and tested methods of testing, validation, verification.

They have made their bed as have the politicians. Maybe they’ll get a few years grace I don’t know. But the power grab was not subtle and for those willing to look, you can see the small man behind the curtain.

The fight isn’t over as it is one of hearts and minds. And most will simply follow the herd to keep their heads down.

334260 ▶▶ Julian, replying to wantok87, 15, #422 of 2284 🔗

We haven’t lost the argument

Despite being outspent in the propaganda department by a factor of a million, more and more people are coming over to our side

334280 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Julian, 6, #423 of 2284 🔗

I agree – and this is why it’s important to post on other forums. So that other sceptics don’t feel they are the only ones.

334324 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Julian, #424 of 2284 🔗

Unfortunately sceptics are at the level of peasantry and very few are in positions of authority. Only a few MPs are prepared to talk common sense about getting a broader spectrum of advice.

334267 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to wantok87, 8, #425 of 2284 🔗

The main problem was the government had several weeks head start as most lockdown sceptics gave them the benefit of the doubt for several weeks – just in case.

The population was bombarded with the biggest ever state co-ordinated propaganda and psychological warfare campaign in history. Millions didn’t leave their homes so were entirely reliant on the media for their perception of what was going on – I could see the cemeteries and graveyards weren’t working 24/7 like the BBC made out, other are mentally scarred.

I have no doubt this event has been planned for decades and Event 201 in 2019 was just the final rehearsal. They wouldn’t have executed the plan unless they thought victory was a near certainty. We still have a chance to create a new normal which benefits the masses rather than enslaves us further to the technocratic elite.

334358 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Darryl, 2, #426 of 2284 🔗

Could we say ”hierarchy” rather than ”elite”? That word does them far too much credit.

334520 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Banjones, #427 of 2284 🔗

I quite like ‘controllers’, agree ‘elite’ is too kind on them. Being born into the right bloodline and family just makes it incredibly hard / impossible for them to fail.

334565 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to wantok87, 2, #428 of 2284 🔗

The perceptive insight into the human behaviour reaction and why lockdown sceptics lost the argument is depressing.

We didn’t lose the argument. Ffs.

We lost the msm trauma-based hypnotism project. Which is hardly surprising.

334237 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 50, #429 of 2284 🔗

Another great day in our capital that now more and more looks like a 3rd world country. Again the only non masked face on the train, the eyes of the people look lifeless, despondent. What should have been a festive period over Christmas and new Year was thanks to Big Brother just full of anxiety, strife, fear and distrust. People walk around like the living death, the spirit has been successful crushed. Of course my daughter school has been closed and now it’s even in doubt that she will get a place even though botm my wife and myself are key workers. Apparently so is everybody else, which is weird as last time I checked almost everybody in my daughters class has parent that work in the City.

To top it off I just had to deal with my wife crying down the phone. She works for one of the councils and is very high u pin the education bit. This morning on a conference call she was the only one that spoke against the logic of closing schools as a lot of children’s in her borough are from vulnerable families that can’t afford childcare, have parents that both work etc. She was shouted down by everyone as bein a terrible person, not caring about the teachers health, wants the diseases to spread etc. She has dedicated more than 20 years of her life to early years education and now she is completely disillusioned. The brainwashing is on every level and no even the slightest dissent will be tolerated.

334256 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Thomas_E, 19, #430 of 2284 🔗

If teachers had been dying of covid in their droves, we’d know about it

334654 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Julian, 1, #431 of 2284 🔗

yeah – our kids would be less indoctrinated

334322 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Thomas_E, 13, #432 of 2284 🔗

I am so sorry for her.
I wonder if her colleagues would have reacted as bad if they had been in the same room. Bloody internet calls are impersonal and make it easier to bully.
She should report her upset to a manager.

334562 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Silke David, 2, #433 of 2284 🔗

She should report her upset to a manager.

Yes, definitely. Bullied, harassed, victimised.

334239 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 6, #434 of 2284 🔗

Yesterday someone posted on here the govenments guidance for schools stating face coverings were not recommended. This guidance was from September and has now been updatedas of 30th december. As can be seen below face coverings are only recommended in certain settings, and are NOT recommended in classrooms. This guidance applies to year 7 and above schools and does not apply to primary schools where children are not required to wear a face covering.

2. Where recommended, use of face coverings in schools The government is not recommending universal use of face coverings in all schools. Schools that teach children in years 7 and above and which are in local restriction tier 1 will have the discretion to require face coverings for pupils, staff and visitors in indoor areas outside the classroom where social distancing cannot easily be maintained, such as corridors and communal areas and it has been deemed appropriate in those circumstances. Primary school children will not need to wear a face covering.
In particular, schools that teach years 7 and above may decide to recommend the wearing of face coverings for pupils, staff or visitors in communal areas outside the classroom where the layout of the schools makes it difficult to maintain social distancing when staff and pupils are moving around the premises, for example, corridors.
In primary schools where social distancing is not possible in indoor areas outside of classrooms between members of staff or visitors, for example in staffrooms, headteachers will have the discretion to decide whether to ask staff or visitors to wear, or agree to them wearing face coverings in these circumstances.
Based on current evidence and the measures that schools are already putting in place, such as the system of controls and consistent bubbles, face coverings will not be necessary in the classroom even where social distancing is not possible. Face coverings could have a negative impact on teaching and their use in the classroom should be avoided.
Local restriction tiers: 2, 3 or 4 When an area moves to local restriction tiers 2, 3 or 4, in settings where pupils in year 7 and above are educated, face coverings should be worn by adults and pupils when moving around the premises, outside of classrooms, such as in corridors and communal areas where social distancing cannot easily be maintained. This does not apply to younger children in primary schools and in early years settings.
In the event of an area moving into local restriction tiers 2, 3 or 4, schools will need to communicate quickly and clearly to staff, parents and pupils that the new arrangements require the use of face coverings in certain circumstances.

Exemptions Some individuals are exempt from wearing face coverings . This applies to those who:

  • cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment or disability
  • speak to or provide assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expression to communicate

The same exemptions will apply in education settings, and we would expect teachers and other staff to be sensitive to those needs.

Full guidance for schools can be found here.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/actions-for-schools-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak/guidance-for-full-opening-schools#main-changes-since-this-guidance-was-last-updated

334243 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Jonny S., 18, #435 of 2284 🔗

I think it should be added that you shouldn’t wear a face mask on principle of belief. Masks are a political and faith-based mechanism. It is no different that asking someone to bless themselves before entering a building.

334265 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to mhcp, 7, #436 of 2284 🔗

I fully agree and don’t wear a mask myself, and never been challenged on it.
Being 6ft and 14 stone may help though.

I posted that in case anyone needs to back up any dispute with their school on mask wearing.

334262 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Jonny S., 1, #437 of 2284 🔗

Thanks Jonny, yes that was me I think. Really appreciate you posting the update as clearly my daughter’s school weren’t up-to-date.

I did send UsForThem their Risk assessment (incase it was useful as a reference) but your clarification above is going to be very handy should the head at my son’s Secondary try something insane!

Best regards

Simon

334294 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 4, #438 of 2284 🔗

Just to follow-up on this if I may. Yet another letter just received from the interim head:

Dear Parents,
Over 73% of children are in school and we are glad that we were able to open for our community today. Please read our first letter of the term.
Mrs. J. Dunlop

I’m hoping that’s good news and that broadly 3/4 of parents are on the sceptical side despite the MSM propaganda gauge going up & up.

The 1/4 not sending their children will be put down as unauthorised absences although fixed penalty notices won’t apply.

334554 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonny S., #439 of 2284 🔗

Good in general, but thin on reasons for exemption.

334247 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 10, #440 of 2284 🔗

I suspect the main reason why the politicians want every locked at home is to get the population watching their propaganda and to stop people exposing what is really going on – not a lot. The CIA controlled media in America are particularly bad at fear mongering and making things look and sound dramatic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVrmDlKnx8k
A Visit to Staten Island Hospital January 2, 2021

334782 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Darryl, 1, #441 of 2284 🔗

Yep the same reason we could not gather at Christmas, can’t have the nutty LS showing people the truth and changing minds. People don’t argue on zoom.

334258 Will, replying to Will, 25, #442 of 2284 🔗

Confirmation via a friend that the royal college of paediatricians says the data (rather than Ferguson’s dodgy models) indicate the new strain of the virus is no more transmissible or severe in children. I know we all know it is bollocks but good to have confirmation from such a strong source.

334292 ▶▶ robnicholson, replying to Will, 3, #443 of 2284 🔗

Look forward to the MSM reporting this today 🙂

334295 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to robnicholson, 7, #444 of 2284 🔗

“Well, we seem to be having trouble getting that report, so here’s some soothing music and scenes of covid wards full of dying baaaybeees, while ambulances queue up outside with even more victims…”

334296 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to robnicholson, 2, #445 of 2284 🔗

Ha ha ha good one.

334308 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to robnicholson, 1, #446 of 2284 🔗

I wouldn’t hold your breath.

334315 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Will, 7, #447 of 2284 🔗

which is why Matt Hancock has switched his attention to the South African strain.

334398 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #448 of 2284 🔗

Yes – the Scary Fairy will keep being resurrected.

334452 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to RickH, #449 of 2284 🔗

failing that there is a Nigerian strain.

334652 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #450 of 2284 🔗

im waiting for the letthetraintakethe strain

334789 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Will, #451 of 2284 🔗

I don’t believe the bbc have taken down that stupid nurses lies about wards full of sick children.

334275 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #452 of 2284 🔗

I wonder what the (original) Captain Picard would have thought about our situation? Here are a few scenes from an old episode – “The Drumhead.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPi6gIDes1g

334288 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #453 of 2284 🔗

Neo- Picard would be shooting sceptics up against a wall

334311 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #454 of 2284 🔗

The Star Trek franchise has followed the wider 9/11 trends in society. However, the original Picard made some profound observations which would apply today. Picard’s “Drumhead” conversation with Worf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADEDLoLY3AY

334278 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #455 of 2284 🔗

Eugentics is among us.

“Developers of Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine Tied to UK Eugenics Movement
The developers of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine have previously undisclosed ties to the re-named British Eugenics Society as well as other Eugenics-linked institutions like the Wellcome Trust.”

https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/12/investigative-series/developers-of-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-tied-to-uk-eugenics-movement/

334316 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Basics, 3, #456 of 2284 🔗

Any word that begins with the letters ”eu” has a sinister ring to it.

334418 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Banjones, #457 of 2284 🔗

In a medical sense eu means within normal limits. For example hypothyroid (low thyroxine) hyperthyroid (high thyroxine) and euthyroid (normal thyroxine).

335328 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, #458 of 2284 🔗

I suspect “eu” in this instance has more to do with the Greek prefix meaning “good” or “favourable” as in the case of the word euphemism.

334651 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Banjones, #459 of 2284 🔗

yes- i always thought the Eurythmics had some dodgy tunes .. And that Euterpe.. What an awful muse she was

334284 John David, replying to John David, 29, #460 of 2284 🔗

I deliberately avoid watching the mainstream media. But I had the misfortune of seeing Sky News last night. It was worse than I feared. Totally deranged reporter to camera screaming about mutant viruses and a NHS and able to cope. Then the interviews: one person saying they don’t mind how long they lock down for and then a teenager expressing their fears about the increasing infections within young people. Any informed or considered news reporting appears to be completely abandoned for total fear and hysteria. When this is over we need some kind of Nuremberg trial for the politicians who contrived all this propaganda. The damage this is doing to society really does need some people going to prison for a long time. The virus is certainly real but the reaction has been completely unreal and disproportionate.

334289 ▶▶ robnicholson, replying to John David, 2, #461 of 2284 🔗

But are you really surprised?

334297 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to John David, 15, #462 of 2284 🔗

Journalists love this. I mean they love it. I know someone who was in the news desk office at the Sun the night of the Estonia ferry disaster in the 1990s, and the atmosphere there was of absolute delight at the juicy story and the opportunity for death porn and grief mongering. There was immense disappointment though when it became apparent there were no British casualties.

334307 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #463 of 2284 🔗

Athough, one British man was slightly hurt when someone made a remark about the cut of his suit…

334325 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #464 of 2284 🔗

Heh. Alas Smith and Jones?

334314 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #465 of 2284 🔗

That is true, journalists like death and drama as it increases demand for their product. Many ‘news’ presenters are also actors so love to put in a dramatic over the top performance when given the opportunity.

334320 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Darryl, 4, #466 of 2284 🔗

Don Henley’s ‘Dirty Laundry’ springs to mind.

334318 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John David, 6, #467 of 2284 🔗

There was at least one journalist hanged at Nuremberg

“Mutant” is such a great word and the invention of this as the next danger is a stroke of genius – it’s a shame that the government are not as useless at psyops as they are at everything else. I suppose once you have a functioning psyops capability, you don’t really need to actually DO anything useful any more

334343 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Julian, 2, #468 of 2284 🔗

Julius Streicher.

334396 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John David, 2, #469 of 2284 🔗

When this is over we need some kind of Nuremberg trial for the politicians who contrived all this propaganda.”

I’ll settle for simply convincing a majority of the population that the narrative is a load of toss. That would be a start.

334490 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, #470 of 2284 🔗

Agree, trials are a bit hopeful albeit desirable. The propagandists not receiving honours is probably the best we can hope for.

334285 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 22, #471 of 2284 🔗

It’s quite difficult nowadays to find people who admit that they supported the invasion of Iraq, or that they cried in the streets when Diana died. I suppose it’s too much to hope that one day it’ll be hard to find people who supported lockdown.

334300 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Jo Starlin, 15, #472 of 2284 🔗

You can’t even find people who admit to being teachers.

334309 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Crimson Avenger, 2, #473 of 2284 🔗

Lol.

334301 ▶▶ Will, replying to Jo Starlin, -9, #474 of 2284 🔗

I did support the invasion of Iraq and still do, not because of dodgy dossiers, WMDs etc but because Saddam was an absolute monster. The tragedy is that the Tories got rid of Maggie because she would have finished the job, properly, in 91 and the world would have been a very different place.

334337 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Will, 13, #475 of 2284 🔗

Saddam was a monster but look into the history of the Bush family, they are in a different league of evil. Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians died in Iraq just to test out the latest weapon technology.

334383 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Will, 2, #476 of 2284 🔗

deleted..

334388 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 1, #477 of 2284 🔗

Maggie is at the root of what we are experiencing – the untrammeled deregulation of international capital.

You need to use this time to shed delusions.

334456 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, #478 of 2284 🔗

Who backed / chose Thatcher to become Prime Minister. She was given the privilege of attending a Bilderberg meeting before she was made Prime Minister. It was clearly decided beforehand that she would be put in charge to change the direction of the country (in terms of the financialisation of the economy for the worse). She was just the puppet.

334628 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, #479 of 2284 🔗

Good old Rick , not content with wanting the money out of my pocket he wants its from every persons pocket world wide. I hope and pray you are really poor and live in social housing. it’s what commie leeches deserve

334404 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Will, 7, #480 of 2284 🔗

Saddam protected Christians and Yazidis
Removing him caused the massacre of both

334514 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Will, 1, #481 of 2284 🔗

“Saddam was an absolute monster”

Evidence, please, if possible without citing mainstream media. Babies in incubators? Let me guess, you also think that Bashir Assad is ‘an absolute monster’.

334623 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Dodderydude, -6, #482 of 2284 🔗

Listen to Christopher Hitchens lecture on it and then shut your very fucking stupid face

335789 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Biker, 1, #483 of 2284 🔗

I take it you didn’t go to charm school. I did ask for evidence. That being so, your first seven words of your comment would have sufficed nicely, thanks.

335863 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Biker, 1, #484 of 2284 🔗

Christopher Hitchens was very wrong on this one.

334747 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 5, #485 of 2284 🔗

If you haven’t learned from the consequences of the invasion of Iraq, the murder of Gaddafi and the attempt to overthrow Assad that giving governments the pretext of “making the world a better place” for using war as a tool of policy is a recipe for mass murderous disaster, then it appears you have not properly examined the facts.

Does the kind of people (Blair, Bush, Hilary Clinton, and all the rest) who have exploited your (widely shared) naivety not concern you in the slightest?

And no, before you make the inevitable response, those who oppose wars of choice are not somehow magically “responsible” for the governance of foreign countries. That’s the essence of national sovereignty. But you do have some moral responsibility for the actions of your own government, that you support.

334293 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 11, #486 of 2284 🔗

‘Writing for UnHerd , Gavin Haynes takes a look at “The Great Reset” , the title of both a tedious seminar hosted by the World Economic Forum in June and of a metastasising conspiracy theory.’

When ‘anti lockdown’ sites write articles dismissing one of the obvious outcomes of lockdown and Covid restrictions without even reading Klaus Schwab’s book you know you are up against it. The world they are currently shaping is the top down technocratic elitist centrally controlled society the World Economic Forum is working towards.

If you don’t acknowledge what you are up against you don’t stand a chance of beating it – perhaps that is the idea.

334310 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Darryl, 9, #487 of 2284 🔗

It’s the direction of travel probably but to resist it we first need to convince people they don’t need to worry about covid and that immediately takes away the govts power

334330 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Julian, 2, #488 of 2284 🔗

Given the deep inbuilt psychological fear the establishment have built into much of the population over 10 months over the virus, I have a feeling it is going to take months of de-programming. Sadly the population still seems addicted to watching and reading the MSM fear porn and further depressing themselves.

334393 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Darryl, 2, #489 of 2284 🔗

Some are

I was talking very casually to two random people who share a hobby with me – one of the few that is still allowed

I don’t know them well but as far as I know neither of them are especially politically active nor do they follow sceptic websites

Just two ordinary people who know that it’s all nonsense. We were talking specifically about school closures, which I am pretty sure they supported in March but certainly do not support now

334368 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, 9, #490 of 2284 🔗

I think that article reads like someone who has just stumbled upon the Great Reset idea last week. Did a bit of research and decided to down play it as some kind of hobby of the WEF.

It’s a very public statement on the direction of travel, and while it certainly is awash with conspiracies (Klaus Schwab as a secret society ruler of the world, Prince Charles to pass over the crown to William in April as he takes up his position as front man for the Great Reset, Rothschilds of course), however the central tenet that a digital revolution is coming in many areas with massive implications for freedom is without doubt.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C1-0XKYAZII&feature=youtu.be

“How to do we a create a new system, that people would never vote for?”

I think that sums it up. Ever since the last global financial crash certain economic ideas have been getting more mainstream. UBI, green led stimulus, digital currencies, happiness indexes, focusing less on GDP as a measure of prosperity. However, the vehicle to deliver such changes is the Great Reset and its infrastructure is digital. It requires tremendous use of surveillance and data from all areas of life. That is why it has implications on your freedom.

Will people or even governments themselves be given a choice? It appears not.

334527 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Darryl, 4, #491 of 2284 🔗

The Haynes article is poor and takes the form of “nothing to see here folks, just move on!”

And this is ironic:

“Clearly, these two Great Resets — the lame version and the conspiracy version — are very different propositions. Yet there is also a sense in which they talk to each other, feed off each other. Above all, each provides an excellent strawman for the opposing team to attack.”

The true strawman here is this unnecessary split between “lame” and “strong” reset. I think Gavin is indulging in that old divide and rule policy.

334299 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 6, #492 of 2284 🔗

Further moves from out to in:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55210452

“Covid exercise: ‘I’ll never go back to the gym again’
…an explosion in fitness tech means that some people are experiencing incredible transformations from their own home, or their local park, or on the streets near their house. What does this mean for the future of the gym sector?”

Something grim I would imagine.

One Ben found, “the shift to homeworking meant he could take meetings while out for a walk”. He, “hated the gym and being bullied by a personal trainer” and goes on: “I thought some clients might have a problem if I was on Zoom, and they saw me not behind a desk, but they all thought it was amazing [that I was out exercising], and that spurred me on.”

Ben is, “one of many who say they will never set foot in a conventional gym again. Instead, they are hooked on the technology that kept them fit in lockdown, whether that’s “wearable tech” like fitness trackers and smartwatches, or livestreamed exercise classes.”

Hooked on technology suitable for lockdown? I wonder where this is going?

“Vicky Malmsjo from Essex downloaded an app called Her Spirit, which offers a supportive community to help women get active. Despite “hating technology”, the swimming coach, who at one point was in the gym seven days a week, finds the app simple to use. She combines it with a fitness tracker so she can monitor her improvements.”

Downloading an app “which offers a supportive community to help women get active”? Someone has an irony bypass! And who needs any kind of social interaction when you can monitor you own improvements?

“I started to post on the app every day, and other people encouraged me. If it hadn’t been for those ladies at Her Spirit I don’t think I would have done it. Through the whole of lockdown they offered different challenges and things to keep your mind busy.”

Is it just me or is this starting to sound like … an advertisement? Surely not from the BBC? (Also note that “those ladies at Her Spirit” mean those ladies on the App. i.e. App people keeping Vicky “in touch”!)

Then there’s Humphrey Cobbold, head of UK chain PureGym, who “says gyms have worked hard to make themselves Covid-secure ” Interesting. So, the new criteria for setting up any enterprise is to establish and maintain “covid security” – this to be determined by “professional groups” perhaps?

I love this:

“Mintel leisure analyst Lauren Ryan thinks gyms will be able to grow again, if they can keep up with what consumers want . She says they should consider a hybrid model, and also run paid-for internet classes.”

Would that be the same consumers who “want” the vax?

“It would be foolish to think that gyms can just go on the way they were before and not expect a loss of interest”

Majestically objective “loss of interest” there. Would that be God’s interest?

Another industry bites the dust!

334304 ▶▶ Julian, replying to George Mc, 22, #493 of 2284 🔗

What a crock of shit

Cherry picked by the BBC to suit their evil agenda

All the gym users I know are struggling without it – they miss the equipment, the camaraderie, the warmth, the space, the separation

334313 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 8, #494 of 2284 🔗

It’s total nonsense. The BBC are so see through.

334367 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Julian, 6, #495 of 2284 🔗

Everything on television has a purpose.

334342 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to George Mc, 10, #496 of 2284 🔗

Keep us locked indoors, socialising, working and exercising online.

Changing our habits and lifestyle. Sounds like an agenda to me.

Usual BBC crap

334348 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to George Mc, 6, #497 of 2284 🔗

I think gyms will still be around as it is an important part of socialising for many people and even finding the one.

334374 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to George Mc, #498 of 2284 🔗

I guess there are those new to the activity who find comfort in others, a venue, knowledge, etc.

One more experienced, they’ll validate themselves.

334857 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to George Mc, 1, #499 of 2284 🔗

As a qualified PT it makes me laugh. I have seen people in gyms doing fucking idiotic exercises that could cause injury because of something they saw on YouTube. I was bullied by a PT, oh boo fucking hoo. Was he working you hard? Were you not trying 100%. Oh look a bloke/girl with a nice body standing on a bosu ball, they must know what they are talking about, even though they have zero qualifications and they themselves use a PT. The stupid thing is we live in a country with a massive obesity problem. I would love to know how many obese people make up the under 60 deaths. Exercise and lifestyle change (no good PT would ever use the word diet) could help these people, there are thousands of PT’s earning shit money who could take these people on, paid for by the NHS. Problems with obesity is costing this country billions and yet you get idiotic things like this on the bbc.

334317 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 3, #500 of 2284 🔗

Perhaps us sceptics are selling the wrong message and take the analogy of :

How to sell snow to the Eskimos

Take snow and pack it in a sealed cover, say to them that it is cleaned with so and so minerals and it is very hygienic and healthy than the snow they find in their surroundings…..Make them believe this…..That’s all what you have to do, they start buying it.

The Government are using this tactic and have sold it to us.

334601 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to cloud6, 1, #501 of 2284 🔗

It’s not so much that our snow is better, they would be told that their snow is actually poisonous.

334319 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 23, #502 of 2284 🔗

Sent my e-mail to Susan Michie, might send it to Prof Walprot as well as he keeps cropping up from Imperial mouthing off.

Decided on a different tack rather than put in lots of evidence and links but just put the barebones and get her to refute my statements fi she ever replies. not going to hold my breath though.

Part 1:

Ms. Michie,

I am writing to ask you if you could kindly supply me and other lockdownsceptics the evidence that you have available that supports your much touted stance for increased wearing of face coverings amongst other mitigations.

The reason I ask is that over the past 10 months, as regular as a winter ‘flu season and the screaming fear-mongering MSM headlines about the collapse of the NHS, you appear in the MSM applying your psychological behaviour modification expertise in medical interventions to change the population’s behaviour with regards to whatever the latest policy is but there never seems to be any scientific evidence to back up your stance while speaking as either a member of the SAGE committee or as part of your professional career.

Neither you, SAGE nor the Government can supply any real-life evidence that supports the claims that any of their mitigations that are now policy or are being bandied about for future consideration will work.

Over the past 9 months I have found nothing, either published on the gov.uk website, in the public domain, released under the Freedom of Information Act nor from real-life data compiled from the various lockdown measures enacted around the world that any of the much-touted non-pharmaceutical interventions you support actually work.

In fact, most of the NPIs that have been enacted go against the World Health Organisations recommendations and also are at odds with almost all independent research carried out and published in the past 10 months such as the Danish Mask Study Randomised Control Trial or the researchgate investigation and roundup of all recent science on covid-19 amongst other works published independent researchers.

Our Government can only supply links to studies that have been data analysed and that contain references to masked hamsters, gerbils and mannequins or to studies who’s stated conclusion does not match the main body of the literature nor the results obtains but is completely at odds with the rest of the report/study.

When asked County Councils can supply no scientific evidence given to them by central Government to warrant or support any restrictions on individuals or businesses so that does not support the Government’s actions.

When asked Borough Councils can supply no scientific evidence given to them by central Government to warrant or support any restrictions on individuals or businesses so that does not support the Government’s actions.

When asked City Councils can supply no scientific evidence given to them by central Government to warrant or support any restrictions on individuals or businesses so that does not support the Government’s actions.

When asked Devolved Governments can supply no scientific evidence given to them by central Government to warrant or support any restrictions on individuals or businesses so that does not support the Government’s actions.

When asked Metropolitan Borough mayors can supply no scientific evidence given to them by central Government to warrant or support any restrictions on individuals or businesses so that does not support the Government’s actions.

The Office of National Statistics’s data on deaths does not support the Government’s actions.

The NHS Hospital activity and bed monitors data does not support the Government’s actions.

FOI answers do not support the Government’s actions.

Documents published by the Government on their own website do not support the Government’s actions.

The OFCOM Notice to Broadcasters dated 23rd March 2020, the refusal to publish any non-offical narrative research, the censorship of any non-offical narrative research and the vilification and smearing of independent researchers that attempt to question the official narrative does not support the Government’s actions.

There have been a few truthful moments though:

1 – CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

Here is a link to a video I had made for me by parliamentlivetv of the relevant section of the committee hearing:

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiSmT-rY5ChSI9LV-

It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.

So all under control prior to the initial lockdown starting.

334323 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 28, #503 of 2284 🔗

Part 2:

2 – Professor Dingwall, a fellow SAGE member, about social distancing that is easily found in an internet search:

“it was conjured up out of nowhere”.

So how can something “conjured up out of nowhere” be used as scientific evidence?

3 – From the British Medical Association on the science they have to support their stance on the wearing of face coverings:

“We appreciate that this is an area in which there is little high-quality empirical evidence. There is, for example, a lack of randomised control trials showing that mask wearing is effective (either indoors or outdoors).”

So if the BMA does not have any scientific evidence to back-up their stance but is relying on “because we said so” who does?

4 – On PCR tests:

A few minutes research will show you these tests are not to be used as a quantitate test and a “positive” test means absolutely nothing medically as stated by the DHSC:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

Some quotes:

Cycle threshold (Ct) is a semi-quantitative value that can broadly categorise the concentration of viral genetic material in a patient sample following testing by RT PCR as low, medium or high – that is, it tells us approximately how much viral genetic material is in the sample.
A single Ct value in the absence of clinical context cannot be relied upon for decision making about a person’s infectivity.

The clinical significance of positive results with high Ct are difficult to interpret in the absence of clinical history and context.

And the absolute best and damning quote:
RT-PCR detects presence of viral genetic material in a sample but is not able to distinguish whether infectious virus is present.

Then this in a FOI request answer from the Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 and it stated that a positive PCR test means nothing medically.

The actual quote: “SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

Or from a RT-PCR test kit manufacturer that the Government uses and who I picked at random and contacted asking for information about what a test result means.

In the various technical documents they sent me it stated at various points:

The final diagnosis should not be based solely on the results of this product. The final diagnosis should be based on a combination of different test methods and clinical results at the discretion of the physician”

The detection of viral RNA of SARS-CoV-2 is dependent upon proper specimen collection, handling, transportation, storage, and preparation, including extraction. Failure to observe proper procedures in any one of these steps can lead to incorrect results.

Results from the device should be correlated with the clinical history, epidemiological data and other data available to the clinician evaluating the patient.

This device is a qualitative test and does not provide information on the viral load present in the specimen

This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

Cross-reactivity with respiratory tract organisms other than those listed in the Analytical Specificity Study may lead to erroneous results.

So they tests should not be used to “diagnose” anything and are certainly not a test that can then be used to state the person is a “case” medically and therefore can be used to justify restrictions and lockdowns.

Or do you have available other scientific evidence that proves otherwise?

One final question – how can anyone individual or organisation or person in a position of authority claim to be “independent” when even cursory research shows that the others they sit in committee with, Ministers they report to or the organisation they work for all have the same almost incestuous web of professional and financial links to the pharmaceutical industry, the vaccine industry and programmes, the same NGOs and the same charitable foundation name keeps cropping up time and time again as one of their employer’s largest financial contributor?

I look forward to your reply and the evidence you and other members of SAGE hold.

Please feel free to pass on this e-mail to other SAGE committee members, Ministers and so on.

Yours sincerely,

Awkward Git

334365 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #504 of 2284 🔗

Sometimes a health advice should be so simple and also be the only advice to be given. The CMO in Norrbotten region of Sweden has consistently given only one advice if you want to avoid C-19.
Stay 2 m away from everybody. No masks nothing more. Is that a practical advice? Not for many younger persons but if you are elderly retired with health problems and there is an ongoing transmission you could probably get away with it.

https://omni.se/norrbotten-ligger-bast-till-i-sverige-enkelt-budskap/a/OQ6lMA

334381 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 7, #505 of 2284 🔗

Basically – the sane advice is to do as you would during any infection season.

The medical and associated professions do have a tranche of members who are very susceptible to narrow beliefs concerning their god-like medical omniscience, to the exclusion of wider rational considerations.

Unfortunately, these individuals seem to have captured the castle – imposing sociopathic views on the populace via weak politicians with sinister motives of their own.

334370 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #506 of 2284 🔗

That’s a good summary, Awkward.

But – of course – it will fall by the wayside; the deluded and the lying don’t easily give up on their delusions and lies.

The problem we faced is getting what is – to us – blindingly obvious into the public domain when the media is under such comprehensive rigid control that any cooked-up myth can pass without scrutiny.

And, no – I don’t know the answer to that one.

334525 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, #507 of 2284 🔗

Mkaes two of us,all I can think of, in the words of Gag Halfrunt, “to keep banging the rocks together guys”.

334372 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #508 of 2284 🔗

she will ignore it .. you should have copied it in to the editors of all the national newspapers as evidence that you sent it and you never know, one of them might follow it up .

334326 DanClarke, 3, #509 of 2284 🔗

Anyone think Boris’ Brexit Bonus depends on Doing a Good Covid? I would have thought they would look a lot more worried about corporate manslaughter charges from incompetence if the deaths were what they are predicting..

334327 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #510 of 2284 🔗

Just now – breaking – Assange cannot be extradited to the US.

334346 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #511 of 2284 🔗

Covert rendition will be their next ploy

334363 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cecil B, 4, #512 of 2284 🔗

The judge showed obvious bias against Assange all the way through, so I’m shocked. maybe she heard that there’s a pardon on the way. I haven’t got a clue what’s happening in the world of geo-politics/US politics these days. Just hope for the best, but prepare for the worst..

334391 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Londo Mollari, #513 of 2284 🔗

Don’t think he can be pardoned as he is not a US citizen and hasn’t been charged with anything.

334410 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #514 of 2284 🔗

The President can pardon anyone accused – or likely to be accused – of a crime. Richard Nixon considered pardoning himself iirc

334369 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #515 of 2284 🔗

Pony show to save face
the USA will have its way

334412 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Crystal Decanter, #516 of 2284 🔗

But which USA – Beijing Biden USA or Trump Deplorable USA?

334328 Tenchy, 11, #517 of 2284 🔗

Slightly off topic, but a step in the right direction:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jan/04/julian-assange-cannot-be-extradited-to-us-british-judge-rules

No doubt some slime-ridden git in government will lodge an appeal.

334333 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 24, #518 of 2284 🔗

When we find ourselves almost a year into this tyranny, still trying to prove it is a conspiracy; it is deliberate; it is not going to get better in Spring, etc, you know it’s time to move on and get the hell out while we still can. I’m done with debating, I’m finished with the Pot-Bangers taking the high-ground – I realise I can’t persuade my family to see reason and my friends are becoming more and more compliant.

We have passed the most critical test, which was Christmas and New Year celebration, and our obedience has shown the government, the media and the entwined institutions and corporations that they can push us harder into the abyss.

We haven’t lost the debate because we were not emotional enough – we lost it before it started because we are mere mortals using the internet to argue, compared to the authoritative voice of the government, the BBC and all those other influences I mention above. There is no high-profile agency operating on our behalf – this has been planned for years and all the pieces were put in place long before most people realised it was going to happen.

The conversation I concern myself with now is: where do we go? How do we keep ourselves safe from government agencies? How do we safe-guard ourselves with risk analysis?

334341 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to J4mes, 3, #519 of 2284 🔗

Belarus?

334390 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Cecil B, 6, #520 of 2284 🔗

I’m not sure that Belarus is a shining example of democracy. It is only because of their dictatorship that the Coronabollocks has been ignored. I had hopes that Czech Republic would give it the finger first, but that looks less likely now. Let’s hope at least one sensible country goes back to the old normal.

334564 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #521 of 2284 🔗

Relatively speaking, they may well hhave more freedom than us just now.
Pubs are open, they have freedom of association and don’t get arrested for playing dominoes or filming empty hospitals.

334415 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 3, #522 of 2284 🔗

I just heard, though not sure if this is true, that you can’t go there without the jab.

334335 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 6, #523 of 2284 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55525681

Uncertainty as primary pupils return in England

I shall make a prediction here. Over the coming days, there will be PCR tests applied to young children which will see an alarming rise in positives. This accompanied by reports of “ surges ”, “ new variant showing increased susceptibility ”, “ reckless murderous and thoroughly nasty herd immunity unleashed on our children ”, “ Won’t someone think of the children? ” etc.

334351 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to George Mc, 4, #524 of 2284 🔗

The shenanigans are certainly accelerating. We used to talk about ‘Six weeks’ or ‘Christmas’ or ‘Spring’, now it’s ‘Tuesday’.

334378 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to George Mc, 3, #525 of 2284 🔗

They should never be forgiven for including the children

334560 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to DanClarke, 2, #526 of 2284 🔗

It appears causing damage to children is acceptable to most of the lockdown hysterics.

334338 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 29, #527 of 2284 🔗

Over the years I have watched many times over all the surviving footage of the Gestapo and the Brownshirts operating in 1930’s Germany

The film of the police marching in Hyde Park and then surrounding a group of black men was as disturbing as anything filmed in Germany

If anyone doubts we have gone full Dictatorship they should be shown that film

334345 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cecil B, 4, #528 of 2284 🔗

I only saw the group as ‘men’.

334352 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cecil B, 11, #529 of 2284 🔗

Chilling viewing for some of us, but seemed to bring pride to many in the nation that the Met are clamping down on people acting normally still.

It causes a bit of a moral dilemma for the Guardian and BBC reading / watching types. They are all lockdown fanatics and support Johnsons new authoritarian police state, but then they have their equally important BLM narrative. Of course they sided with authoritarianism.

334360 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Darryl, #530 of 2284 🔗

Guardian and BBC reading / watching types”

More Mickey Mouse generalisations (as opposed to the ‘Torygraph readers’ here)! 🙂

No wonder the sceptical cause fails when so easily associated with simplistic prejudice.

334430 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 5, #531 of 2284 🔗

Can you point me to any remotely sceptical content by the Guardian or the BBC? In the Telegraph I can point you to Clark, O’Flynn, Pearson, Youngs etc and the leader writers themselves all putting out sceptical content.

334441 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, 4, #532 of 2284 🔗

True, but the BBC and Guardian have been particularly keen on the divide and conquer race narrative. The Telegraph and Daily Mail are always consistent on their support for the British police state. If some parts of the right wing press had their way we would have been a police state long ago. I personally have plenty of hatred for both ‘sides’.

I feel the hypocrisy of the BBC and Guardian supporting ‘human rights’ and ‘civil liberties’ abroad whilst supporting enslaving their own citizens deserves criticism. The Daily Mail doesn’t make a big deal about the issue abroad, they seem to like a bit of authoritarianism.

334382 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Darryl, 2, #533 of 2284 🔗

The deaths by stabbing are higher this year than ever in the met

334384 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, #534 of 2284 🔗

In London

334555 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to DanClarke, 1, #535 of 2284 🔗

Yes but at least old ladies feeding pigeons are being moved on with threats.

Yadda Yadda bitchute.com/video/o4WbY8vysZNh/

334347 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 30, #536 of 2284 🔗

Asymptomatic transmission is the Coronavirus equivalent of dark energy. It’s a theoretical mcguffin to fill the gap between what is believed and what is observed. In this case they believe that lockdowns work and yet “cases” (as they define them) are massively increasing. So therefore they think that there is a method of transmission that is evading normal lockdown measures and thus conclude that healthy people must be spreading it, as sick people are at home. Their solution as we shall see over the next few months is to test millions of healthy people in the belief that they can control the spread by keeping positive test-ees at home. Of course this ignores the other major problem which is false positives. The mass testing of healthy people will only exacerbate that problem further.

So asymptomatic transmission is the child of a false belief and an imprecise test (or rather the wilful ignorance of it’s imprecision). This is what happens when relatively intelligent people are unable to challenge or question their core beliefs in the face of conflicting evidence, and scientists are just as vulnerable to that as Joe Bloggs, perhaps even more so. That is before you even get to the various political pressures, conflicts of interest, groupthink, hubris, unconscious biases, etc. that affect everyone.

334357 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 15, #537 of 2284 🔗

Asymptomatic transmission is the Coronavirus equivalent of dark energy.”

Not quite.

‘Dark energy’ is a fill-in for what is not understood from genuine observation.

‘Asymptomatic transmission’ is an attempt to make a false observation stand up.

334399 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, 7, #538 of 2284 🔗

I partially agree and obviously the analogy is not exact but dark energy is something they can’t see but believe exists because it fixes what they observe in to their existing paradigm. Asymptomatic transmission serves a similar function. It is quite possible that neither exist. Fortunately for astrophysicists they can analyse and postulate to their hearts content without many consequences. In the case of Coronavirus it is ruining are lives.

334505 ▶▶ George L, replying to Achilles, 1, #539 of 2284 🔗

Listen to Henna Maria .. she makes short shrift of ‘asymptomatic transmission’ in the most wonderful, inspiring way..

The Curse of “Asymptomatic Transmission” – YouTube

334914 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Achilles, #540 of 2284 🔗

The fact that scientists got away with inventing things that are undetectable by any means was very worrying: it showed that the scientific method was under attack even where it most surely should have been cherished; and dark energy is just one example of this.

334350 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #541 of 2284 🔗

The article listed in ‘Round-Up’ : “ COVID-19: Beating Fear with Science” by George Michael is an extremely good summary of evidence. Highly recommended.
https://georgemichael93.medium.com/covid-19-beating-fear-with-science-c22932c989e6

334362 ▶▶ chaos, replying to RickH, 8, #542 of 2284 🔗

He was very good with Andrew Ridgeley.

334361 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 27, #543 of 2284 🔗

Sent as an FOI to the UKRI where he is the top man:

https://www.ukri.org/about-us/contact-us/freedom-of-information-request/#contents-list

“In a recent interview that was published in the online version of the Daily Mail Professor Sir Mark Walport made some claims and I would like the scientific evidence he is referencing to support these NPIs:

1 – the evidence that “keeping people apart” can stop the spread of a virus.

2 – the evidence that the ”mutant strain” is “transmitting rapidly” within school age children.

2a – If this is from “positive” results from RT-PCR or Lateral Flow Tests then please supply the evidence that a positive test means anything medically and the person is actually suffering from the virus as defined by the standard medical definition of a case.

3 – the evidence that the “mutant strain” is seven times more likely to “infect” a household.

4 – the evidence that any stricter measures are required when the “mutant strain” is no more dangerous than the original strain – his quote ‘It’s good to note it doesn’t appear to cause worse disease”

5 – the evidence that Vietnam “suppressed” any virus by their lockdown measures

6 – the evidence that social distancing can stop transmission of a virus when the policy, as admitted by Professor Dingwall, a fellow SAGE committee member “it was conjured up out of nowhere”.

7 – the evidence that any restrictive lockdown measure applied anywhere worldwide had any impact on the trajectory of the virus when compared against countries that had less restrictive lockdowns or even those such as Sweden, Belarus or the State of South Dakota where the measures applied were minimal.”

334375 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #544 of 2284 🔗

Does it help if more people ask, ie plagarise your work and repeat to the same source? Would love to know the answers to all of those questions.

334444 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DanClarke, 6, #545 of 2284 🔗

Fill your boots and feel free to spread the word.

I’ve asked the Daily Mail this:

“When Jack Wright recently interviewed Professor Sir Mark Walport did you ask him for any scientific evidence to support his statements that you published online on the 03rd January 2021?

If you did not it was a glaring oversight on your part as there is nothing of substance that can be substantiated in your article.”

334448 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DanClarke, 1, #546 of 2284 🔗

Problem with FOIs is that if too many people ask the same questions in a short space of time they can claim that it is a nuisance request and refuse to answer but tehy don’t tell you at what point they will draw the line.

All FOI responses get published on the relevant department’s website somewhere though eventually so people can see what has been asked previously to avoid asking the same again.

334610 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DanClarke, 2, #547 of 2284 🔗

He’s no longer there -UKRI told me the gov.uk website is wrong and not been updated.

He’s now here:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/211353/professor-sir-mark-walport-named-imperial/

They told me to put the FOI to the DHSC as he’s a SAGE member so i did.

334364 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 13, #548 of 2284 🔗

“Lord North was another remarkable eccentric. He married in September and spent his honeymoon in the Caribbean. When he returned with his new American wife to Burgholt House in England in October, he announced to his wife that he was going to bed. His wife was very surprised when he remained in bed for many days and was shocked to be told by a manservant that Lord North always stayed in bed from October 9th until March 22nd. A large 25 foot dining table was brought into Lord North’s bedchamber so that he could entertain people to dinner during these months. Lord North’s explanation for this bizarre behaviour was that no Lord North had got out of bed from October to March since his ancestor had lost the American Colonies!”

https://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/British-Eccentrics/

His own personal lockdown.

The great British eccentrics could live their crazy lives because they wee fabulously wealthy with armies of servants.

The liniting factor for madness – whether public or private – is the financing.

334397 ▶▶ Alice, replying to rockoman, 1, #549 of 2284 🔗

May I just ask a frivolous question (out of personal interest)? Did he gain an enormous amounts of weight? Did he lose it later? If so, how?

334446 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rockoman, 3, #550 of 2284 🔗

Henry Cavendish, a brilliant scientist, was morbidly afraid of women. Normally he left notes for his female servants. When he accidentally encountered one he had a special stairway built in his house to avoid them. I wonder why he did not hire male servants – perhaps he was even more afraid of them? He was wealthy and could indulge these inclinations.

334371 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #551 of 2284 🔗

Is it correct that 99.96% of people who catch covid survive?

If true then the IFR is 0.04%

The population of the UK is 66,500,000

On the basis that everyone in the UK caught it, the maximum number deaths would be 26,600

Please correct me if I have miscalculated

334377 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 5, #552 of 2284 🔗

I think the general consensus on the IFR is that it’s somewhere between 0.1% and 0.3%

334411 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Cecil B, #553 of 2284 🔗

It’s a difficult one as for children it’s really really low but goes up with age

334719 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to wendy, 2, #554 of 2284 🔗

Which means, obviously, that the ifr differs from one society to another, according to the age structure of the population (and other issues,obviously). One of the reasons it’s so hard to pin down.

334470 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, #555 of 2284 🔗

Seems low to me. But then we all know it’s incredibly low anyway so the percentages don’t really matter.

The critical thing here is that not everyone will catch a virus anyway. We are not 100% susceptible as a population. Prior immunity and a functional immune system are real things.

Perhaps people need to be reminded of Whitty’s Gresham lecture from the end of April – this is his slide – “Over the whole epidemic, even if there is no vaccine, a high proportion will not get it”.

That said, I shared this with a mid 40s diabetic friend who has been hiding behind his sofa since March and his conclusion was that it was a “deep fake”!

https://youtu.be/3BdPKpWbxTg?t=774

334605 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to leggy, 1, #556 of 2284 🔗

Show them Chris Whitty from May in one of the press conferences where he breaks down the %.Cant believe it’s the same man who promised 4000 deaths a day

334563 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 3, #557 of 2284 🔗

Remember – the number of real Covid cases has been massively overstated.

335066 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Cecil B, #558 of 2284 🔗

The calculation is correct and hence the assumptions are incorrect. More reasonably, about 20% have had the infection and the IFR is about 0.5% leading to 66,000 deaths. One can argue about either figure – 20% is probably an over-estimate and 0.5% may be an under-estimate (and highly age-dependent), but the overall figure is within the bounds of plausibility.

335251 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to djaustin, #559 of 2284 🔗

No-one knows how many people have had Covid 19 since the PCR test, as a tool for diagnosis, is unhelpful:

“PCR is just a process that’s used to make a whole lot of something out of something… It doesn’t tell you that you’re sick and it doesn’t tell you that the thing you ended up with is going to hurt you.” Kary Mullis 1993 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for inventing the PCR test

The complete weird out was further confirmed over Christmas by 15500 lorry drivers in Kent being tested, due to a widely reported, massively contagious raging mutant covid variant, but only 36 positives by lateral flow test, well within false positive percentages for that test.

But one thing is for sure: if you kick 25,000 elderly and infirm patients out of hospital, many, if not all, with viruses and most of them relocate to care homes, you will kill a lot of them and a lot more elderly and infirm that they have infected. Any common cold virus would have the same, if not worse, effect than covid 19, particularly the OC43 coronavirus.

More than just a common cold: Endemic coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, NL63, and 229E associated with severe acute respiratory infection and fatality cases among healthy adults’
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26362#:~:text=Highlights,and%20death%20in%20healthy%20adults .

Without government interventions, it is likely that overall all cause mortality would have remained unremarkable. Oh, and then they cleared hospitals again on 18 September……..

335592 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Tim Bidie, #560 of 2284 🔗

20% is a reasonable estimate based on seropositivity from ONS pillar 4 testing and corroborated by blood donation testing. This will eventually not be reliable due to vaccination.

334376 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 27, #561 of 2284 🔗

I notice that today’s content above the line demonstrates a subtle but disturbing shift into normalising our current predicament. If this trend continues, we are defeated. I have accepted that the old normal is never coming back, and that the damage already inflicted entails years of suffering, but anything less than wholesale rejection of every aspect of the Covid narrative guarantees the darkest imaginable future for all of us.

334379 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 5, #562 of 2284 🔗

I doubt TY is ready to give up just yet and neither are we

334400 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Richard O, 3, #563 of 2284 🔗

I think you’re onto something.

334402 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bugle, 12, #564 of 2284 🔗

I don’t think it’s deliberate, but it is a clear sign that we have been worn down to such an extent that learned helplessness is now unconsciously influencing our thinking. I think the recent intensification of MSM propaganda has really taken its toll.

334434 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Richard O, 9, #565 of 2284 🔗

perhaps we are getting worn down, the Laura Duffel and the children stuff really got to me. But we can know that we have done one thing well and that is support each other, which might even have kept some of us alive. Without LS we wouldn’t have known others felt the same as us. But also I am certain we are on the right side.

334450 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to wendy, 18, #566 of 2284 🔗

Yes my goals for 2021 are very simple:

1) Do not take any Covid vaccine
2) Survive

Anything above and beyond this critical bottom line is luxury.

334486 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Richard O, 7, #567 of 2284 🔗

These are also my goals! If I could add anything, I’d say “stay reasonably fit”.

334650 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard O, 5, #568 of 2284 🔗

Richard, you’ve mentioned many times in here how you’ve effectively ostracised yourself since summer. No family, you live alone. I actually envy your freedom in many ways. But I know it comes at a cost.

I am part of a family of 20 between my own immediate family and my wife’s. I am, save for my sister, the only one who has such an opinion but I can honestly see this as having a very difficult impact on my marriage. If I can’t get them. To see that my opinions hold value, it’s going to get very difficult.

334819 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Richard O, 2, #569 of 2284 🔗

“The recent intensification of MSM propaganda” has risen to peak lunacy since the variant conveniently appeared and cancelled Christmas. At the very point where the propaganda would test the credulity an ill informed teenager, various sceptical writers go soft. I respect your comments and general stance, but I just can’t believe there’s not more to this.

335395 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bugle, #570 of 2284 🔗

Well said!
I viewed much of yesterday and today’s copy with a mixture of dismay and suspicion.

334416 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Richard O, 11, #571 of 2284 🔗

The last two updates have been far too negative. I’m up for a tactical withdrawal while everyone is arguing it out over lockdown. Let the dog have their bone for a week or two but do not concede any ground from any of our main arguments, which are build on a very solid evidential base.

334580 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Richard O, 2, #572 of 2284 🔗

For me the only thing that is “normal” is change. It is always happening around us, sometimes quickly and sometimes slowly so we notice it more or less depending.

What was normal 10 years ago to me would not be normal today. What is normal today will not be normal in 10 years time.

Normal is what you make it.

334386 Dariusz, 2, #573 of 2284 🔗

Polish professor of biology, genetics about new vaccines mRNA: https://stolikwolnosci.pl/roman-zielinski-on-pfizers-genetic-vaccine-and-pcr-tests/

334872 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to swedenborg, 1, #575 of 2284 🔗

Encourage by the comments, many are aware of it and it’s implications to the whole covid narrative and vaccine

334389 Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 3, #576 of 2284 🔗

TUC now pushing for parents to be furloughed while schools are off!:

https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/tuc-calls-for-furlough-scheme-for-mums-and-dads-while-schools-are-off/

334405 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 10, #577 of 2284 🔗

Oh that’s a good idea, no staff for the hospitals, care homes or food shops!!

334760 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to wendy, #578 of 2284 🔗

Oh no, the key worker children can go to school – the new elite

334413 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 4, #579 of 2284 🔗

Bring it on.

Everybody should stay at home and be paid 100% of their earmings by the givernment.

334545 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to rockoman, 5, #580 of 2284 🔗

What about us that happend to be excluded by the government and get nothing. I don’t qualify along with around 3 million others.

I’ll happily take the money, but they won’t let me have any.

334477 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 6, #581 of 2284 🔗

If all of our staff that have school age kids were furloughed we’d go out of business – we can’t service our clients without them

Then they would have no jobs to go back to

334616 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 2, #582 of 2284 🔗

I work and I can’t think of anything worse than these people representing me. I do not want to be furloughed on 80% pay while my childless colleagues get on with my project work and take all the credit for it. TUC can go f*ck themselves.

334392 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 25, #583 of 2284 🔗

This looks big:

‘Dr Andrew Hill of the Department of Pharmacology at the University of Liverpool (UK) is currently performing a WHO-sponsored review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials of ivermectin against covid. In the following 12-minute video , Dr Hill is presenting his preliminary results, which indicate a highly significant 83% reduction in covid mortality (95% CI 65%-92%).’

https://swprs.org/who-preliminary-review-confirms-ivermectin-effectiveness/

334680 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Basileus, 3, #584 of 2284 🔗

No money in it for Big Pharma therefore it’s unsafe and must jump through all sorts of hoops before approval, unlike vaccines based on experimental technology which are totally safe. See also Hcq and vitamin D.

334758 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, 1, #585 of 2284 🔗

…… but South Africa health regulator has just banned Ivermectin – god forbid we save the life of a sick person.

Wonder what institution ‘bent their arm’? CCP, IMF, WEF, World bank etc etc

https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/sa-drugs-regulator-bans-miracle-covid-19-treatment-as-unsafe-4e36c339-c65c-4cc6-93d2-d7e748eefcb6

334394 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 4, #586 of 2284 🔗

I’ll see your West Midlands Police assistant diversity director boondoggle and raise you 343 vacancies revealed in a search for ‘diversity inclusion’ at the NHS ( search_vacancy ). 15 of these at over £80,000. Must be the (critical race theory) science? Admittedly not all of those 343 seem to be ‘pure’ diversity boxes (the NHS search facility doesn’t work very well – shocked, SHOCKED!). But feast on this “new role” in Birmingham ( C9436-20-5514 ) advertised just as Boris was cancelling Christmas ‘to protect the NHS’:
Main duties of the jobAs a key senior leader in the Strategy, People and Partnerships Directorate, the post holder will lead on the full range of responsibilities covering Equality, Diversity and Inclusion (EDI), from strategy, through to the corporate responsibility for policy-making and support for the operational implementation of the Trusts approach to EDI. The postholder will have responsibility for ensuring that the Trust successfully meets all statutory and corporate duties in relation to EDI and that all services provided by the Trust, and to its employees, support their diverse needs. A key part of the role is to lead the development of the Trusts approach to EDI, within the context of the newly developed Trust Strategy, and the associated People, Quality, Clinical and Sustainability strategies. The approach to EDI will be a golden thread throughout the delivery of these strategies.

“A golden thread”!! Goes with the gold toilets; or was that Saddam?

334420 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to TyRade, 3, #587 of 2284 🔗

It’s written by a bullshitter extraordinaire.

334447 ▶▶ leggy, replying to TyRade, 2, #588 of 2284 🔗

I’ve worked with EDI (Electronic Data Interchange) for decades, I had no idea it’d been superseded by wokespeak!

I wonder how many front line staff these salaries would pay for?

334401 wendy, replying to wendy, 26, #589 of 2284 🔗

A little tale for you all – tell me what you think. My sister is allowed to go inside Dads care home behind a screen, in mask, visor, gloves and splash apron. She enters from an outside door and sits in a chair and staff bring Dad in his wheelchair into the area and push him up near the screen. The screen is very flimsy, thin and not very wide or tall. Dad was sniffing and sneezing and said he felt unwell. I rang up the next day to see how he was and the care home said he had a bit of a cold and it was going around with a few staff and residents with it. I thought they might be a bit anxious about this and test for COVID but seems they weren’t bothered.

Now my sister is full of cold and can only think she got it from Dad as she hasn’t been anywhere else. She can’t believe she could have picked up a virus as all the COVID measures are supposed to prevent it!!!!!!!

So my take on this is viruses are gonna do what viruses do and if it is your turn to be unwell you will be, COVID or other viruses. Any other thoughts?

334408 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to wendy, 6, #590 of 2284 🔗

Exactly !

334440 ▶▶ leggy, replying to wendy, 6, #591 of 2284 🔗

As you say, virus gonna virus. Hope your Dad (and sister!) feel better soon.

334462 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to wendy, 1, #592 of 2284 🔗

Sometimes I catch a cold just out walking by myself, not really interacting with people.

I’m sure if it could be investigated there would be a route for infection but realistically it could have come from anywhere.

334506 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to wendy, 3, #593 of 2284 🔗

Yes, I’ve had a couple of colds this winter without going out much and with everybody else masked up. On here we don’t need telling that masks don’t work but it seems most people do.

334406 p02099003, 5, #594 of 2284 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-55521507 now a minor injuries unit is to close with staff redeployed to an acute hospital. This is potentially dangerous as the MIU staff may not have worked in an acute setting for years. Certainly I wouldn’t be happy to do so without some retraining.

334407 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 7, #595 of 2284 🔗

The schools must close.

If the madness is to stop, then the mad must be brought face to face with the consequences of their madness, and in the most uncomfortable way.

Close the schools now,

334417 ▶▶ Will, replying to rockoman, 6, #596 of 2284 🔗

School closures suit the yummy mummies because they increase their advantage over the Povs. They can virtue signal all day about “focusing on the things you can do”.

334419 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Will, 2, #597 of 2284 🔗

Until the knock-on effects become apparent.

334436 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Will, 9, #598 of 2284 🔗

I definitely cannot cope with school closures. This is going to cause a lot of wreckage.

334424 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to rockoman, 4, #599 of 2284 🔗

There is a very good chance that this is going happen when Tier 5 is unveiled, and that all schools will be closed for the rest of the academic year (i.e. right through until the summer holidays).

334429 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Richard O, 10, #600 of 2284 🔗

Indeed. A lost generation blithering about on TikTok, while the Chinese perfect their next generation of coders, spies and engineers. (While harvesting their data on TikTok,)

334438 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Richard O, 9, #601 of 2284 🔗

If Boris gets away with that then we really are sunk. It would show definitely the 1922 and CRG are hot air.

334443 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to chaos, 4, #602 of 2284 🔗

They are hot air, and have been from the very beginning.

334451 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Richard O, 3, #603 of 2284 🔗

Agreed. I am embarrassed that I ever allowed myself to hope that there was something to their weak complaints.

334498 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #604 of 2284 🔗

They just don’t have the numbers. Most MPs on all sides think the lockdowns haven’t gone far enough or quickly enough.

334566 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to WasSteph, 2, #605 of 2284 🔗

They have enough to trigger a Conservative party leadership contest via letters to Graham Brady – if they wanted to.

335565 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to WasSteph, #606 of 2284 🔗

I am sure there is quite a bit carrot and stick involved.

334767 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Richard O, #607 of 2284 🔗

With a few honourable exceptions.

334583 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Richard O, 2, #608 of 2284 🔗

I do hope they say this. I really do think that will start a big split in public opinion.

334744 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Richard O, #609 of 2284 🔗

Yes, this wouldn’t surprise me at all, and I suspect that at least the first semester (starting in September) at most UK universities will remain online. I still can’t believe this is happening. The consequences for education will be dire, as NN says below.

334466 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to rockoman, 7, #610 of 2284 🔗

Exactly
Let the shitshow collapse – it will be the biggest eye opener
The children will know who destroyed their lives

334476 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #611 of 2284 🔗

But they won’t be able to talk about it because the only words they will know will be “hands face space”

334492 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #612 of 2284 🔗

Those ones would end up turning into trannys anyway and offing themselves

334538 ▶▶ Simon, replying to rockoman, 2, #613 of 2284 🔗

We should give them what they wish for, I just hope no sceptics will be disadvantaged by such a move.

334596 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to rockoman, 3, #614 of 2284 🔗

Of course they are going to close the schools – it is a necessary pretext for the next phase of our subjugation – Operation Moonshot. They need to close the schools, so they can setup the mass testing systems, which kids & parents will need to comply with in order to be allowed back to school. This message was sent to me from my son’s school last week:

We are currently putting in place the necessary arrangements, following the Government’s plans, to offer every child of secondary age a lateral flow covid test from the start of term and then weekly . As soon as we have more information about how this will work we will contact you to let you know about the arrangements and to seek consent. Please note it will not be mandatory for students to have a covid test in order to come into school.

Of course, they’re going to start with it being “not mandatory”; the idea is to start conditioning people that the new normal requires regular Government testing and “papers” to be allowed to go anywhere in future.

334694 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to zacaway, 3, #615 of 2284 🔗

But there is a positive aspect to your letter. If they are really planning to use Lateral Flow tests, that should result in a huge decline in (false) positive results. It was LF testing that sorted out the student problem in December, and allowed all the lorry drivers in Kent to go home just before Christmas.

334774 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ken Gardner, #616 of 2284 🔗

True.

334409 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #617 of 2284 🔗

“Rapid border closures, full lockdowns, and widespread testing were not associated with COVID-19 mortality per million people.”

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2589-5370%2820%2930208-X

The authors appear to bend over backwards to try and prove that lockdowns work but they just can’t.

334423 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #618 of 2284 🔗

And yet Jeremy Hnt has just tweeted “Time to act: thread on why we need to close schools, borders, and ban all household mixing RIGHT AWAY.”
The only question I have is whether this will be announced today, or later in the week.

334439 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #619 of 2284 🔗

He would have been so much better than Johnson, wouldn’t he. They’re all the same and they’re all worthless.

334474 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #620 of 2284 🔗

Isn’t all household mixing already banned?

334541 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #621 of 2284 🔗

Just ran that through the Corona-Vax translator app:

“Thread on how my children have very expensive private tutors, we’ll still use the Navy as a taxi service for undocumented illegals and stop the plebs from meeting or planning anything”.

334669 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sam Vimes, #622 of 2284 🔗

Brilliant.

334414 JayBee, 5, #623 of 2284 🔗

https://youtu.be/rblfKREj50o

General Melchett also seems to run the war on the virus…

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

Albert Einstein
…on lockdowns, Tiers, masks etc….

334427 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 11, #624 of 2284 🔗

Have just seen Covid-19 described as the Loch Ness monster of viruses. Well it made me smile anyway.

334431 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to Biggles, 18, #625 of 2284 🔗

Because it’s existence has never been proven?

334632 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 3, #626 of 2284 🔗

Or because its just a money making scheme?

334428 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 9, #627 of 2284 🔗

First day back at work and if I have to type “Happy New Year” (in reply) one more time, I am going to explode. No it isn’t going to be a happy new year because you were too stupid and complacent to open your eyes and connect them to your higher brain function.

334471 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #628 of 2284 🔗

I am not wishing any of my colleagues HNY

334493 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #629 of 2284 🔗

I am going through the motions with external suppliers, but I will unload on anyone internal who says this to me.

334432 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 9, #630 of 2284 🔗

Two comments on today.

Went out to post a letter. Encountered a middle-aged, overweight, middle-class woman riding her bike on the pavement – trying to dodge a young couple with their little girl out walking. She was fully masked up. I was so restrained in not challenging her, but just gave her a dirty look!

I did a bit of digging on the dashboard for my local area (Worcestershire), where we now have panic setting in due to the highest ever number of ‘cases’. Still do not know a single person in the area who has tested positive, but that is beside the point. There are 7350 adult medical beds across the trust. 26 critical care beds. 128 people in hospital ‘with’ covid, and 9 on ventilation. Why all the panic?

334467 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 15, #631 of 2284 🔗

It’s illegal for adults to ride bikes on the pavement

334481 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Julian, 3, #632 of 2284 🔗

Thanks. I wasn’t certain on that.

334546 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Julian, 3, #633 of 2284 🔗

It used to be illegal (maybe still is) for anyone, children included, to ride a bike on the pavement; people made allowances for trikes or little bikes with stabilisers. As a child in the sixties I resented my parents refusing to buy me a bicycle. All my friends had bikes and used to ride on the road as they were required to do, but my parents felt that was too dangerous, so hence no bicycle.

334469 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 10, #634 of 2284 🔗

If this overweight woman is so fearful, then why has’t she used the last nine months to lose weight?

Being overweight, being allegedly, one of the biggest risk factors.

334484 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to rockoman, 12, #635 of 2284 🔗

I agree. As my mother keeps saying (and quite innocently) – ‘why don’t the doctors tell the nurses to lose weight?’

335481 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #636 of 2284 🔗

Diversity training?

334516 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 15, #637 of 2284 🔗

A few weeks ago I encountered a masked up,overweight young woman,dressed for work in a care home,on a very narrow section of footpath in our town centre.I stood my ground,I wasn’t going to walk in the busy road for her benefit,she didn’t expect me not to move and she came to a sudden halt against a shop window.She gave me an indistinguishable tirade from behind her face nappy to which I replied,’footpaths are for pedestrians you stupid cow and take you fucking mask off in the fresh air,moron’.She looked very shocked,but continued to cycle on the path.

334569 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #638 of 2284 🔗

Seen a couple of under 5s wearing masks on entering a shop with their mother today. My though was “I bet you wish your fear on everyone. I think you’ll probably get your way”

Another down day for many reasons. Had a fall out with my wife as I refused to get tested due to stomach pains. She thinks I’m being irresponsible.

334435 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #639 of 2284 🔗

zoe app infections going up but at a slowing rate

ie R coming down

334479 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 3, #640 of 2284 🔗

I am totally sceptical about any ‘R’ figure. It can’t have any accuracy when the base data about Covid is so raddled with inaccuracy. Ergo – any claimed figure is a fraud.

As to the Zoe app – I would like to see better verification in order to relate reporting to Covid.

334550 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to RickH, 4, #641 of 2284 🔗

Oh, the R number is easy, you just divide one number by another. Thing is, you need to know what those two numbers are…

334573 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #642 of 2284 🔗

I think the zoe app is ok in what it does. gets people to upload symptoms daily. I imagine it will miss some covids and also catch some colds. But it gets away from all this asymptomatic nonsense. It also looks sensible. It is following a typical seasonal infection curve and daily new infections are about 10% of daily infections with ‘all colds’ which is probably about right

The R just measures the rate of change of infection. divide the number of new infections today by the number of infections 5 days ago

334618 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 1, #643 of 2284 🔗

I agree, the Zoe app provides a very good indication of the trends, even if it exaggerates the actual number of infections. The rate of increase has been clearly slowing for a while now and it is nothing to do with tier 4.

334437 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 18, #644 of 2284 🔗

Apparently the Swedish approach has failed.

This is the country that did nothing when the numbers were rising, but actually they did a lot when the numbers were falling and now the numbers are rising it’s back to they didn’t do enough.

Compare that to the countries that did the right thing when the numbers were rising, were still doing the right thing when the numbers were falling and now the numbers are rising they’re still doing the right thing but not enough of it.

2020 is the year people just made things up to suit their arguments…

334445 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nobody2021, 19, #645 of 2284 🔗

Sweden did amazingly well. They stayed a free liberal democracy through a mild pandemic that the rest of Europe shat their pants over. Their results are neither the best nor the worst but their overall mortality is within the envelope of recent years

334449 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to steve_w, 12, #646 of 2284 🔗

Quite. It’s just strange how they say that Sweden has failed but everyone else has, er, not failed.

334457 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to steve_w, 4, #647 of 2284 🔗

Latest Sweden Data.
For those who can’t speak Swedish, neither can I, but I think cases at the top, innensive care middle and deaths bottom.

334468 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jonny S., 12, #648 of 2284 🔗

My understanding is that in terms of the one reliable indicator – all-cause mortality – nothing at all unusual is happening in Sweden.

… as is the case in the UK.

334504 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to RickH, 2, #649 of 2284 🔗

Yes see link below (sorry to keep repeating it but it’s just such stark evidence that lockdown is useless).

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

334574 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, #650 of 2284 🔗

And let’s see what happens with their suicide and domestic violence figures. And, over the next few years let’s see what their cancer statistics are given they didn’t shut down their health system.

334460 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #651 of 2284 🔗

Here’s Sweden’s “failure”.

Deaths will end up maybe a couple of thousand higher than two years ago. What a catastrophe.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

334461 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #652 of 2284 🔗

Scum media and lockdown zealots willing Swedes to die and lying about Sweden

They will burn in hell

334590 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 1, #653 of 2284 🔗

Brazil, which deals in infectious disease all the time, year in and year out, is apparently fudging their data. (From an argument) Thing is, two people I was arguing with said the same thing… 77th at work?

https://twitter.com/NeilDance/status/1346088017182793729

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7576323/ is quoted as supporting evidence.

334660 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #654 of 2284 🔗

I suspect that if you point out that Peru and Argentina, both hardline lockdown nations, have higher death rates than Brazil, they would claim that their death rates were gospel and only Brazil’s is “suspect”.

334551 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nobody2021, #655 of 2284 🔗

Been having this argument on Twitter…

334559 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #656 of 2284 🔗

When it comes to the world league table of Covid deaths per million, Sweden ranks 24th. Brazil, also sans lockdown, ranks 20th.
1st – Belgium (again)
2nd – Peru
3rd – Italy
4th – Bosnia
5th – Macedonia
6th – Slovenia
7th – Spain
8th – Moldova
9th – UK
10th – USA

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

All of those have lockdowns.

334561 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #657 of 2284 🔗

The statista figure above is clear as day. There is nothing out of the ordinary about total deaths in Sweden this year.

334453 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 16, #658 of 2284 🔗

Teaching Unions have never held so much power and boy are they happy to wield it.

It’s like Caeser personally gift wrapped and handed the knife to Brutus.

334459 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #659 of 2284 🔗

Teaching Unions have never held so much power and boy are they happy to wield it.”

Let’s just add an alternative :

“The Tory Party has never held so much power and boy are they happy to wield it.”

334463 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to RickH, 11, #660 of 2284 🔗

And don’t forget the twerps on supermarket doors, and just about every other career jobsworth relishing their fifteen minutes…

334464 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 4, #661 of 2284 🔗

To be fair, the Tories were elected to govern (not that they are doing a good job of it)

334575 ▶▶ Staincliffe, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #662 of 2284 🔗

If they’re genuinely so worried about catching it, why don’t they ask their GP to prescribe Ivermectin? On the other hand, I realise that wouldn’t be a solution as it would allow the schools to open without restrictions. Silly me.

334678 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #663 of 2284 🔗

I think most teachers rather than the unions would like to get back to work. I hear a number on here say so and can you imagine the remedial teaching that will be needed after months of some kids receiving no education at all? The longer this goes on, the more chaos will need to be managed when they return and you can be sure the government won’t help then.

334686 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to Nobody2021, #664 of 2284 🔗

It’s a good thing I don’t have any kids. I wouldn’t want my children to be ‘taught’ by these lily-livered, emotionally incontinent idiots.

334454 George L, 15, #665 of 2284 🔗

GOOD NEWS FROM SPAIN.. breakaway police have joined the freedom movement!

Listen to the woman in the video, Henna Maria . She always gives me hope when I listen too her.. She’s an inspiration to all, and its people like her who will form the catalyst that breaks down the evil being spawned at this moment in time..

Have faith.. we will overcome!

https://www.europereloaded.com/lockdown-awakening-police-in-spain-join-the-freedom-protest-videos/

Also, do take a look at Henna Maria’s take on ‘asymptomatic transmission ‘.. she blasts it with intelligence, love, and passion. This woman takes no prisoners..

The Curse of “Asymptomatic Transmission” – YouTube

334473 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #666 of 2284 🔗

This utter fucking idiot, elected by the American people, has just finished his woke prayer in Congress with the words “Amen and Awomen”.

Amen means “May it be so”. It’s like the old jokes about Perchildchester United. Except he’s a member of the most powerful Parliament on earth.

https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1345886892206792704

334495 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #667 of 2284 🔗

He actually said that? What an utter fucking tosser! No. You must be joking.

334501 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Tenchy, 5, #668 of 2284 🔗

There are no limits to stupidity. None.

334503 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #669 of 2284 🔗

Ah, thought it was Biden. Just watched the clip and it’s some other hollow-headed moron.

334528 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tenchy, 2, #670 of 2284 🔗

He actually really did.

335125 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Nick Rose, #671 of 2284 🔗
334526 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #672 of 2284 🔗

Yeah, I had a good laugh at that one.

334539 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #673 of 2284 🔗

It’s funny until you realise he votes on legislation, including declarations of war.

334547 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #674 of 2284 🔗

Definitely an utter idiot. Who votes for these morons? Othr morons, obviously.

334552 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #675 of 2284 🔗

Mark Windows keeps banging on about Cameron’s Big Society.

334568 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #676 of 2284 🔗

RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

334612 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #677 of 2284 🔗

Is he wearing 2 masks?

334475 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 22, #678 of 2284 🔗

From Robert Peston: “According to one of the government’s scientific advisers, the reason for @MattHancock’s “incredible worry” about the South African Covid-19 variant is that they are not as confident the vaccines will be as effective against it as they are for the UK’s variant.”

Don’t be surprised when they don’t end restrictions once the masses get vaccinated. The plan is to milk the new variants for all they’re worth.

334508 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ricky1, 1, #679 of 2284 🔗

Which is another way of saying there are going to be multiple vaccinations every year for the foreseeable future.

334519 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ricky1, 4, #680 of 2284 🔗

The leaked Canadian document mentioned further variations to keep the shitshow running.

334534 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to DRW, 2, #681 of 2284 🔗

Yes, I was sceptical of that document, and I still am – a new variant is an obvious way of keeping this going – but it will be interesting to see if the more outlandish claims in it come to pass.

334579 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jb12, 1, #682 of 2284 🔗

I was sceptical but am watching it unfold.The tricky part for the government is how to maintain order when the inevitable economic collapse comes.I can’t remember who said it but it was something about a plan not surviving first contact with an enemy

334524 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ricky1, 3, #683 of 2284 🔗

And don’t be surprised if you then get a sudden shift in public opinion our way.

334748 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ricky1, #684 of 2284 🔗

Ahh ‘forgotten’ about the IMMUNE SYSTEM again…..

We were told the UK jabs would not prevent Covid – so what’s the difference Health Secretary?

334478 bebophaircut, 4, #685 of 2284 🔗

https://bolenreport.com/saul-alinskys-12-rules-radicals/

Will give you a good idea of some of techniques used to manipulate us.

More restrictions? What else did you expect? This is a war for our souls and minds. Technocrats possess artificial intelligence and they want us to be like them. They are like genetically modified foods. Franken Homo Sapiens.

MARK WINDOWS. STRATEGIES FOR THE FUTURE!!! https://www.bitchute.com/video/lFa3rCdk9qj2/
January 2, 2021

334480 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 14, #686 of 2284 🔗

Interesting article in The Conservative Woman today about domestic violence and how it has increased. It’s nice to know that bedwetters are in favour of child battering, depriving them of freedom and an education.

334496 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #687 of 2284 🔗

They’d throw a baby into a furnace if they thought it would protect them from the ‘rona.

334511 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #688 of 2284 🔗

The gullible, compliant public are more of a problem than the government, they are the ones who are feeding/enforcing this madness.

334485 BarnsleyBoy, replying to BarnsleyBoy, 6, #689 of 2284 🔗

re Dr McGrogan’s article, there is no shame in lost causes. Against the pro-authoritarian bulwark of state and mainstream media, we never really stood a chance, but our cause s the right and noble one, of that I have no doubt. The noble defence of liberty, of democracy, of human rights. Today as we face yet another announcement condemning us to endless months of living death, we can take some consolation in the knowledge that they can imprison our bodies, but not our minds.

334577 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to BarnsleyBoy, 1, #690 of 2284 🔗

This is what we have to fight for now. We can’t die like Winston Smith in 1984.

334487 peter-, replying to peter-, 6, #691 of 2284 🔗

I have been wondering how the “positive” rate on PCR tests compares when they are done privately vs in the government testing centres.

Working in travel I had a number of clients (as well as those of friends, colleagues and other industry folk) who have travelled in the last 6 months with no issues whatsoever in terms of testing positive for Covid, both in the UK and overseas.

It seems that only government-run test centres are returning positive results and those done privately are reflecting the actual number of people who do have Covid, which is in all likelhood a statistically insignificant number.

Of course I know that the daily figures are a fabrication by the govt and the NHS, but it would be fascinating to see the comparison between the two, which would highlight beyond doubt the effectiveness and competence of the private sector over the public sector.

334537 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to peter-, 3, #692 of 2284 🔗

Something I found interesting in this regard was this years Vuelta. The race organisers had roughly fifteen hundred covid tests conducted and every one was negative.

334549 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #693 of 2284 🔗

Similar with the PGA Tour golf…a few false positives to begin with when they started up in June and then nothing until September/October time when the weather started to get colder…roughly 600 people onsite every week for 5 1/2 months and I think 2 actual positives.

334556 ▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to peter-, 4, #694 of 2284 🔗

The NFL are doing their own testing with their own lab and finding very few cases. They test the players , coaching staff daily.

334578 ▶▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to CapLlam, 2, #695 of 2284 🔗

Indeed – no hysteria, no cancelling matches like in the Premier League, just carrying as normally as they can and everything is fine.

334732 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to CapLlam, 1, #696 of 2284 🔗

They have standardized the tests and use less than 30ct.
Makes all the difference.
I suppose this will happen for a tests eventually, to eradicate Corona but credit the vaccines for this.
In light of the vaccination hesitancy and slow rollout, they need to create more fear and cases first though, the stage we are in currently.

334710 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #697 of 2284 🔗

This is worth a read. Basically VIP treatment to actually understand if they are infectious. Not for plebs. You get house arrest on a sniffle.

Bundesliga Testing

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/1/62

334543 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to peter-, 1, #698 of 2284 🔗

I remember back in the summer where 6 staff at a Scottish football team tested positive after getting private tests then subsequently tested negative from NHS tests.

Swings and roundabouts it would seem.

334553 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #699 of 2284 🔗

Of course, PCR test is deeply flawed and even private testing will give false positives, just can’t help but feel it is a far more reliable process and one where data cannot be fabricated from.

334488 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 3, #700 of 2284 🔗

Are the bad men winning? Have the Government been deliberately incompetent?

334494 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to DanClarke, 8, #701 of 2284 🔗

No, they are deliberately malevolent.

334497 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #702 of 2284 🔗

That as well

334864 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to DanClarke, #703 of 2284 🔗

Yes

334489 leggy, replying to leggy, 11, #704 of 2284 🔗

So I posted this in reply to a comment below, but it’s worth posting at the top. This is a slide from Whitty’s Gresham College speech on 30th April. Back when we were killing old people by clearing out general hospital patients into care homes and community hospitals. Back when we were intubating patients to death. When the disease was far more deadly than it is now, or should I say the treatments were far more deadly.

Anyway – this slide told us everything that we really needed to know. The risks are low. Very low.

If you can stand 80 more minutes of Whitty, it’s worth watching the lecture.

https://youtu.be/3BdPKpWbxTg?t=774

334595 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to leggy, 7, #705 of 2284 🔗

Whitty has been through many transformations. We started with sane Whitty, who morphed into sad and somewhat bonkers Whitty, who then in Summer became the David Kelly of Covid – blasting the narrative to pieces on Select Committee hearings (from that horse’s mouth we had confirmation that lockdown hadn’t made any impact on Covid, and the lead to SAGE’s hitherto buried report on the likely cost of lockdown: 200,000, lest we forget). That Whitty morphed into the ill kempt intellectually debased ghoul of moongraph, and after that I paid him no further attention.

What is Whitty? Will the real Whitty please stand up.

336274 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Ovis, #706 of 2284 🔗

I was left wondering whether his recent, highly publicised, shift on the wards was an attempt to distance and differentiate himself from all the make believe and doom-mongering of SAGE.

334500 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 15, #707 of 2284 🔗

Just listened to Dr Scott Gottlieb on CNBC (former head of the FDA). Seems the roll-out of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are not going that well in the US, and supplies are starting to build up because front line care workers – you know those most vulnerable to coming into contact with the deadly virus in their line of duty, and knowing how over-run the hospitals are with dying patients – are refusing to be vaccinated (up to 60% in some places).

Any thoughts on what is happening here? Interestingly my mother was called for the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine last week, and she is some way down the priority list.

334512 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #708 of 2284 🔗

Is there a link? I know two people whose noses I want to rub in it…

334521 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #709 of 2284 🔗

Probably too soon, maybe wait until tomorrow, like with TalkRadio!

334530 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 5, #710 of 2284 🔗

The same thing is happening over here. Actions speak louder than words, always.

334727 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #711 of 2284 🔗

They can ship it back to Germany, where the lemmings are very keen on gettingnjabbed and criticizing the government for not ordering enough.

336275 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #712 of 2284 🔗

My 90 year old mother was quite surprised to be called in for her first dose of the Pfizer vaccine immediately after Christmas. As you suggest, it seems evident that the front line care workers aren’t first in the queue, for whatever reason.

334507 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 29, #713 of 2284 🔗

Bored today so making a nuisance of myself while waiting for work to restart after the shutdown.

Sent to the Health and Safety executive as a FOI:

“Please find below my FOI request on the scientific evidence that supports your covid-19 spot check and risk assessment policies:

1 – please supply the scientific evidence that the hazards as listed on your covid-19 risk assessment can be mitigated effectively by the mitigations/actions you recommend

2 – please supply the scientific evidence that social distancing is an effective measure in combating virus transmission

3 – please supply the actual piece of legislation in English law that states social distancing is a legal requirement

4 – please supply the actual piece of legislation in English law that states anything listed as guidance or guidelines has force of law and must be followed

5 – please supply the actual piece of legislation in English law that states inspectors have the power to enforce guidance and guidelines against a business that has an independent risk assessment that is in contradiction to your hazards and recommended mitigations”

334513 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #714 of 2284 🔗

Thanks again for your tenacity AG!

I was watching the Wolfgang Wodarg/Pandata vid last night and said he’d tried to get the positivity rate for German labs from the RKI but with no luck. They must have the data as they will be reporting on tests analysed and positives. I wonder, have you tried for an FOI for the same over here? It would be very interesting to compare the positive rates of the various labs we have, especially these “lighthouse” (shitehouse?) ones.

334536 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #715 of 2284 🔗

Good for you!

334509 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 14, #716 of 2284 🔗

Wow, just had a circular discussion – that began last night (yes I’ve been to bed) – with two lockdown fanatics on Twitter. Utterly dedicated to full lockdown. Both jumped about like snakes on a griddle, but managed to keep my cool. Thank God for LDS!!

334517 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #717 of 2284 🔗

Did you ask them how long a lockdown would last and at what cost? As a guide we can look at New Zealand who started from a much lower base, how long it took them and the cost then add on whatever it would take for us to just get to their starting point.

You could factor in the rate of decay, i.e. how quickly the virus would recede, which would depend on the level of restrictions imposed but that would be overcomplicating things.

334510 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #718 of 2284 🔗

Julian Assange is not to be extradited to the US.

I personally don’t think he should be in Jail for releasing sensitive information that would otherwise be known as the truth.

The argument is/was that releasing the data was a matter of national security and potentially put US lives at risk.

I don’t see this as much different to saying if you’re against lockdowns and other restrictions you’re putting lives at risk or in the US saying the election was rigged is a danger to democracy and also potentially putting lives at risk.

334689 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #719 of 2284 🔗

Good to hear.

335038 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Nobody2021, #720 of 2284 🔗

I am still hoping Trump is going to pardon Snowden. There are certainly people urging him to.
Interesting interview with Edward here. First hour goes over old stuff. Last half hour talks about current dangers/challenges from Tech.
(Snowden with Stossel)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSu4rCizyUM&feature=emb_rel_pause

334515 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #721 of 2284 🔗

We have evolved from selling Snake Oil to selling Chimp Oil

334529 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 3, #722 of 2284 🔗

Not only that but this also (I know it’s probably been mentioned before but worth a re-mention):

Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney

334544 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 1, #723 of 2284 🔗

Fried GMHEK’s in garlic butter, my favourite

334742 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to kh1485, 1, #724 of 2284 🔗

Tested on humanised mice.

334523 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 6, #725 of 2284 🔗

Its the beginning of a new year, mid winter, the nights are long and the days are gloomy -covid insanity gets worse by the day – it is quite reasonable to feel a bit down….

But a great mental therapy is to listen to uncle Fuellmich who is going to sort the job out for us….

https://gloria.tv/post/cyzhSpgKH1z73xtPKvWmj1AVK

334532 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Major Panic, 3, #726 of 2284 🔗

I hope that he has invested in personal security. He is going to need it.

334615 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Richard O, 2, #727 of 2284 🔗

This is what I have worried about now for several months. I cannot bear the thought of anything happening to him. He is the most important person (on the good side) in the world at the moment.

334625 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Richard O, 2, #728 of 2284 🔗

the ground work is done, the expert evidence logged, and there are many many lawyers around the world involved – its not just one man

334531 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #729 of 2284 🔗

For the record.

EU flag is still being flown from the grotesque goblin’s lair St Andrew’s House seat of the scottish government daily sturgeon show. Ditto Holyrood Parliament, ditto snp run Edinburgh Council buildings.

334589 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Basics, 2, #730 of 2284 🔗

Cut the flags loose and return them to Brussels wrapped around a brick

334594 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Skippy, 1, #731 of 2284 🔗

With one of the stars crossed out.

334614 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 2, #732 of 2284 🔗

Good point will the EU flag need to be genetically modified to remove one of the stars

334533 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #733 of 2284 🔗

If hospitals had infinite capacity so they were never in danger of being overwhelmed then lockdowns would never have been considered and the death rate would not seem as big a deal.

So why is it that simply because the capacity is an issue that the death rate is too? The death rate is now such an issue in people’s minds that no death is acceptable.

334576 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #734 of 2284 🔗

For sure. I think the problem is that the average person is clueless when it comes to what old/sick/vulnerable people actually die of. Cue the episode of Peep Show when everyone is shocked that Gerard (clearly already suffering from heart failure or similar) died of flu! People must think that “winter pressures” is a polite term for old biddies occasionally slipping on ice.

I also realise that I have a very different idea of what a full and joyful life means compared to most others. And am happy to accept the risks that come with it.

334597 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #735 of 2284 🔗

There are only around 4,100 adult critical care beds in England – for a country with a population of around 56 million (and a relatively high median age).

In the name of efficiency – a kind of ‘just-in-time’ approach to hospital admissions – we have chosen to operate the NHS with very little or no redundancy / spare capacity in the system.

It would probably have cost significantly less to operate with twice, three or even ten times that number of adult critical beds for the last several decades (even if many of them were empty except in winter) than it has cost to respond to Covid-19. In the current financial year alone, the NHS in England has received £52 billion in additional funding to deal with coronavirus.

The tail is wagging the dog: we have wreaked social and economic havoc because the NHS is at risk of being ‘overwhelmed’.

334535 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 7, #736 of 2284 🔗

Jeremy C(h)unt in meltdown. Close schools, close borders, Covid out of control. NHS coped, back in his day. Now, it’s bring out your dead. We’re all doomed!

334548 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to PatrickF, 3, #737 of 2284 🔗

He needs a literal slap around the chops.

334558 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to PatrickF, 6, #738 of 2284 🔗

Today’s clown show will probably ban breathing, then?

334567 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #739 of 2284 🔗

FFS! Don’t tell me there’s another one today. Not that I can bring myself to watch them.

334606 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tenchy, 1, #740 of 2284 🔗

I think they are going to go all the way soon and start shutting “essential” shops, imposing further travel restrictions and (of course) mandatory masks everywhere in public. Much tighter than Lockdown 1, as predicted by many for Lockdown 3 some time ago.

334626 ▶▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Richard O, 1, #741 of 2284 🔗

don`t give them ideas !!!

334634 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Richard O, 2, #742 of 2284 🔗

I would like whoever hosts it to talk like Kathy Bates from Misery.

“All the cock-a-doodie people being dirty birdies and not washing hands…” etc

334723 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to PatrickF, #743 of 2284 🔗

His pitch would be more credible, if he had also suggested a 50% paycut for politicians and senior civil servants, and a 30% one for the lazy, lockdown zealous rest of them, incl. NHS staff and teachers.

334571 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 3, #744 of 2284 🔗

Singapore – COVID contact tracing now authorised for use by police in criminal investigations – scope creep – fancy that.

Singapore police could access Covid-19 contact tracing data for criminal investigations The technology, deployed as both a phone app and a physical device, is being used by nearly 80% of the 5.7 million population, authorities said after announcing its use would become compulsory in places like shopping malls.
…. Singapore has reported only a handful of local Covid-19 cases over the last few months, and its extensive disease surveillance and contact tracing efforts have won international praise including from the World Health Organization.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/singapore-police-could-access-covid-19-contact-tracing-data-for-criminal-investigations/story-xYKQMG7SjhcMbrY5MLwaaO.html

334603 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #745 of 2284 🔗

Not really sure why people in the West say we should be copying Singapore – the whole point of the country is that it is a ‘benevolent dictatorship’. They have authoritarian police and laws but people comply because quality of life is so high there.

334572 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 27, #746 of 2284 🔗

Went for a walk earlier

Came across some graffiti. In 3′ tall letters on one walk it read ‘Fuck Covid’ further on and obviously written by the same person it it read ‘Fuck masks’

334584 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Cecil B, 9, #747 of 2284 🔗

What spray paint colour did you use? 😂

334604 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Skippy, 5, #748 of 2284 🔗

Honest, not me guv. It felt good to know there are others out there

334674 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 5, #749 of 2284 🔗

There’s graffiti in my town “Sweden, no lockdown, no problem”

334581 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #750 of 2284 🔗

BBC lies

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55529640

New daily cases of Covid have been rising to record levels….”

everyone knows they were much higher in the ‘first wave’. I think the stupid cow means +ve PCR tests

334586 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steve_w, 6, #751 of 2284 🔗

Every day is a record level if you keep adding them up.

334582 Morse, replying to Morse, 25, #752 of 2284 🔗

Just got back from my local large Asda unmasked, the General Manager walked by and looked at me and shook his head in disgust, what a Prick, fuck you Asda! What a Virtue Signalling arsehole.

334591 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Morse, 16, #753 of 2284 🔗

Complain. Turn the heat up on the chump.

334613 ▶▶▶ Morse, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #754 of 2284 🔗

I will!

334636 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Morse, #755 of 2284 🔗

don’t believe you for a second, sick of this bullshit from so called skeptics. Asda haven’t got arrows, they don’t insist on masks, they don’t make you queue and in fact will fire anyone who challenges a customer for not wearing a mask.

334712 ▶▶▶ Morse, replying to Biker, 1, #756 of 2284 🔗

Sorry pal, it’s true, he didn’t give me grief and I’ve never had any in there before but this was clearly a personal virtue signalling exercise, nothing to do with Asda’s rules. He judged me and had zero right too, that’s what pissed me off, he doesn’t know me or my medical history, what gave him the right to shake a disapproving head? Nothing, hence he’s a VSA.

334740 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Morse, #757 of 2284 🔗

Should have asked him what his problem was

334587 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 6, #758 of 2284 🔗

I tend to scan the daily comments sections of all the main papers/bbc – just to get a more accurate general view of the joe public view /direction of travel etc.

I have seen many comments today like this:-
“It doesn’t matter what restrictions you implement, there will always be the morons that don’t/won’t listen”.

These are in the Sun, Telegraph and BBC – you would think it was the same person.

334593 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to nickbowes, 14, #759 of 2284 🔗

The thing is that a lot of these commenters will virtue-signal online but they will also secretly be breaking/disregarding the rules themselves. They just want to be seen as virtuous – doesn’t matter if they’re actually not. It’s all about ‘Do as I say, but not as I do’.

334598 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Poppy, 3, #760 of 2284 🔗

Just like Soviet Russia then

334600 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Poppy, 8, #761 of 2284 🔗

Thought possibly it could be the Governments so called disinformation unit in over drive again

334622 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nickbowes, 12, #762 of 2284 🔗

To which I would reply:

It doesn’t matter what restrictions you implement, none of them will work but there will always be enough morons who support them to ensure ever tighter restrictions.

334633 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to nickbowes, 7, #763 of 2284 🔗

The lockdown zealots need someone to blame because they have put so much into lockdowns to admit that they’re a failure would be to admit the world has been screwed into the ground for nothing.

334644 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to nickbowes, 1, #764 of 2284 🔗

This goes back to when it all began when Uncle Joe sitting alone on a park bench eating a sandwich was to blame for all the bad things in the world.

But only because the rules said so.

334818 ▶▶ iansn, replying to nickbowes, #765 of 2284 🔗

Like Burley and Rigby, Cummins, Ferguson, the Scottish CMO, yes those morons indeed

335433 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to nickbowes, #766 of 2284 🔗

Remember the 77th ( SS ) brigade is tasked with the job of helping to keep the plebs in line and they have all been given the same orders. If you can post on these rags, challenge them and warn the readers of their presence.

334588 Cecil B, 5, #767 of 2284 🔗

They turn their backs on the grisly scenes
Traced to the privileged sons
They got their god they got their guns
Got their armies and the chosen ones
But we’ll all be burnin in the same big sun
When the great correction comes

Joan Baez

334599 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 25, #768 of 2284 🔗

Credit where credit is due.
Jo Connelly, headteacher of Silkwood primary school in Stafford has gone against union advice and opened her school today.

334607 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #769 of 2284 🔗

Moment of reckoning with schools in Co Durham tomorrow. Meanwhile traffic very busy this morning tier 4. They can bring in tier 24 if they like, many just ignore now.

334611 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to nickbowes, 4, #770 of 2284 🔗

Great!

334627 ▶▶ Alias Margaret, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #771 of 2284 🔗

Aren’t all primary schools open in Stafford? We took our grandson to his school this morning.

334734 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Alias Margaret, #772 of 2284 🔗

Don’t know, it was on Midlands today at lunch time.

334609 dhid, replying to dhid, 5, #773 of 2284 🔗

Apologies if this has been posted before, particularly as it’s from Oct ’20, but, it sums up much of what has been discussed here before about masks, lockdowns and modeling, as well as “experts”. The authors credentials seem good – a long read but worth a look.

https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/

334629 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to dhid, 6, #774 of 2284 🔗

Don’t apologise!

Very promising opening passage:

I believe we are in as great a crisis as a species as we have ever been. The crisis is not from some seasonal virus (which is a health issue), but it is from ourselves and what we have devolved into as a species (social, cultural, ideological issues).

334619 steve_w, 2, #775 of 2284 🔗

they will have to tighten the screws to be able to take credit for the peak which is coming in the next few days

334620 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #776 of 2284 🔗

Worldwide 1.8 million have died with covid, 6.5 million have recovered, billions have not been affected in any way

334624 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to DanClarke, 6, #777 of 2284 🔗

and 2 million children under 5 have died of diarrhea – a disease of poverty – I expect this to go up

334630 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to DanClarke, 2, #778 of 2284 🔗

Not only that but.

23,185,342
Currently Infected Patients

23,077,921 ( 99.5 %)
in Mild Condition

107,421 ( 0.5 %)
Serious or Critical

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

334641 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jonny S., #779 of 2284 🔗

23 million currently infected and confirmed by a test
thats probably 230 million currently infected
or 23 million new infected per day
or the whole world infected in 304 days

334637 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DanClarke, 6, #780 of 2284 🔗

And of those 1.8 million, how many were deaths from other causes misattributed as Covid?

334648 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Richard O, 3, #781 of 2284 🔗

90%+ at a guess?

334655 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to leggy, #782 of 2284 🔗

This would not at all surprise me.

334663 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to DanClarke, 1, #783 of 2284 🔗

And how many millions never knew they had it?

334642 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #784 of 2284 🔗

I’d say Happy New Year but it’s not proving to be so far. We may yet get there…

Anyway, what are people’s thoughts on the nature of the ‘new restrictions’ coming?

  • Schools
  • Shops
  • Movement / travel
  • Exercise
  • Legal v guidelines
  • New legislation
  • Enforcement

For what it’s worth I think they will do Tier 4 everywhere, with a new Tier 5 across high infection areas that limits exercise to once a day and shuts the schools. Masks in busy places now. And 1 metre plus gives way to 2 metres again. I reckon existing legislation will be used. FPN fines will be increased. The Daily Mail today spoke of giving police new powers, though I wonder what these are. Powers of entry perhaps. But that would need fresh legislation which would be more work for the government and give dissenters (Swayne et al) a platform which they want to avoid.

334647 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to jhfreedom, 7, #785 of 2284 🔗

The whole country will be Tier 5 within a week or so, including all of the above.

Then the lockdown zealots will start clamouring for Tier 6.

All this garbage is solely about increasing vaccine uptake, nothing more. When this fails, the direct coercion will be rolled out accordingly (probably around Easter).

334665 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Richard O, 4, #786 of 2284 🔗

Yes, it’s just bullying – but with no end point, as the message is already clear that they won’t stop even if everyone complies and accepts a jab.

334645 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 10, #787 of 2284 🔗

I watched the Mike Leigh film Peterloo. What was particularly striking was the visceral fear the upper class had for the large crowd. Their fear of it was why they sent in the yeomanry, resulting in the massacre. Isolating people was and is the goal of the powers that be.

334679 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Waldorf, 1, #788 of 2284 🔗

Elite fear of and contempt for “the mob” then = elite fear of and contempt for “populists” today.

334646 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #789 of 2284 🔗

Sturgeon ‘to announce strict stay at home message’ at 2pm

I expect full lockdown for England within 24 hours

334662 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to steve_w, 6, #790 of 2284 🔗

What does that mean?

I don’t know what the ‘rules’ are here and I don’t care. The pubs are shut, but the food shops are open. How can that change?

Are burly policemen going to arrest me if I leave the house? Are they going to break down the door to check that I’m wearing a mask in my home?

What in this context can ‘lockdown’ mean that is different from whatever bullshit tiery crap is being imposed at the moment?

334675 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ovis, 4, #791 of 2284 🔗

Have you got a licence to be outside?
Show your papers Pleb??
(plenty of fake docs available online for “key workers” )

334685 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #792 of 2284 🔗

Maybe Tier 5 means no-one is allowed out of their home for any reason unless they have been sodomised by Boris Johnson. Anyone questioned outside by a policeman, and unable to produce a valid certificate of sodomisation (a signed photograph of Boris in the act, including your face), is liable for a £10,000 FPN.

I’m exempt, obviously.

334703 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Ovis, 7, #793 of 2284 🔗

What’s always interesting is to read the language of the latest ‘rules’, since there is always a difference between guidance and legislation. You have to check the wording of Gov UK versus Legislation UK. In the former the words ‘should’ and ‘ought’ suggest no legislation behind a rule. Hence 2 metres is guidance but not law. And you can go where you want to exercise by law even though you ‘should’ stay local. With the latest nonsense coming down the pipe I will be curious to make the comparisons again and – crucially – see if English police are given powers of entry to enforce coronavirus legislation. At the moment they aren’t.

Also, I may be completely naive but I sense there are so many loopholes and exceptions in the English rules because they want to keep the economy going and things generally ticking over while being SEEN to act. Everyone knows that a China-style lockdown might keep SAGE and some hospital medics happy but the reality is that people will lose their minds and simply not obey. And the economy will collapse. There is a reason why my friend’s family from Sweden faced no track and trace or health checks when they arrived at Heathrow just before Christmas. For this reason I think Hunt has lost his mind or is appealing to a particular constituency. Only a madman would believe that it is the duty of a population to live within the capabilities of its healthcare system. Otherwise why not ban tobacco sales immediately?

335300 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jhfreedom, #794 of 2284 🔗

Good stuff jhf.

Except that tobacco tax means smokers are huge contributors to our healthcare systems.

334696 ▶▶ Mel G, replying to steve_w, #795 of 2284 🔗

… and it’s done!

From the BBC… https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-scotland-55533377

People in Scotland are to be ordered to stay at home until the end of January amid a fresh Covid-19 lockdown.

Nicola Sturgeon says there is “compelling evidence” that the new variant is 70% more transmissible, and may add as much as 0.7 to the R number.

The new variant already accounts for almost half the new cases in Scotland. says the first minister.

The latest figures illustrate the “very serious spread” of the virus and the seriousness of the situation, she adds.

334649 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #796 of 2284 🔗

Former health secretary Jeremy Hunt is calling for schools and borders to close “right away” as he warns the pressures facing hospitals are “off-the -scale worse” than previous winter crises.

I suppose he has some evidence for this. There’s bugger all happening in Bucks

334658 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #797 of 2284 🔗

“We therefore cannot afford to wait: all schools should be closed, international travel stopped, household mixing limited and the tier system reviewed so that the highest tier really does bring down infection levels (as with the first lockdown),” Hunt concluded.

the first wave was suppressed by summer – it had nothing to do with lockdown as a comparison with sweden shows

334682 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to steve_w, 5, #798 of 2284 🔗

He is parking the tanks for the imminent leadership election – he is misplaced in believing he will be lucky second time round.

Someone I knew years ago, no longer with us, knew him personally and professionally. He was not a fan. I trust his judgment.

334781 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #799 of 2284 🔗

Jeremy Hunt must undoubtedly be very keen to deflect attention away from his own record on pandemic preparedness, as Secretary of State for Health from 2012 to 2018.

334684 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to steve_w, 3, #800 of 2284 🔗

He’s arse licking to get Hancocks job after they throw him under the bus.

334704 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to eastender53, 3, #801 of 2284 🔗

I think he is after the top job. He was also boasting his credentials as former Foreign Secretary the other day too.

334657 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 31, #802 of 2284 🔗

Best article on Covid I have read, end of. Measured and pragmatic. It’s a good one to send to zealots and coronaphobes. No hysteria, just a calm walk-through of the only datapoint that matters – excess deaths.

What is left to say? | Dr. Malcolm Kendrick

My conclusions from this:

  • Yes there were excess deaths in March/April
  • There aren’t any anymore
  • The virus does its thing and intervention is irrelevant
  • Stop the testing and the restrictions, they are failed policies
334659 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #803 of 2284 🔗

this is a great article for lockdowners. I have sent it to a few and they all thought it was balanced

334668 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to steve_w, 7, #804 of 2284 🔗

No conspiracy stuff, no inflammatory language like ‘bedwetters’, no political agenda, no anti-Vaxx. This is how people are converted, by gentle hand-holding and calm revelation.

334683 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #805 of 2284 🔗

yes, hugely agree. and written by a frontline doctor. It’s about the best I have read for ‘likeliness to get people to question the current narrative’

334691 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #806 of 2284 🔗

100%
Check your conspiracies on the peg outside too
They are not helping

334681 ▶▶ Richard Crooks, replying to jhfreedom, #807 of 2284 🔗

There are still excess deaths in Week 51 in England and Wales (over 1,400 that week), but over half (57%) were in the home, so probably not due to Covid-19.

334878 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard Crooks, 2, #808 of 2284 🔗

Again – there is no such beast as ‘excess deaths’. It’s a fiction. There’s just a given number of deaths, which vary in relation to historical parameters.

The term ‘excess’ falsely suggests that there is a ‘correct’ number of deaths. Which is patent nonsense. There are relatively high, low or moderate number of deaths in relation to the historical baseline (which baseline begs a number of questions).

334953 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to RickH, #809 of 2284 🔗

Of course there is. There is an expected distribution range for deaths that is well-defined from previous years. Values outside of any normal range are reasons for further investigation. All control theory hinges on this understanding. Variability is actually relatively low for deaths (due to the large numbers). In 2020 there were about eight extra weeks of death compared to historic mean and about five more weeks compared to historic maximums. That’s based on ONS 10-year range not the ONS five years they contain in their weekly datasheet.

335193 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to djaustin, #810 of 2284 🔗

And middling in a 30 year context, which is a miracle, given everything reported by Amnesty International

‘Other government decisions appear inexplicable. Via its Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), the government in mid-March adopted a policy, executed by NHS England and NHS Improvement, that led to 25,000 patients, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 who had not been tested, being discharged from hospital into care homes between 17 March and 15 April—exponentially increasing the risk of transmission to the very population most at risk of severe illness and death from the disease. With no access to testing, severe shortages of PPE, insufficient staff, and limited guidance, care homes were overwhelmed. Although care home deaths were not even being counted in daily official figures of COVID-19 deaths until 29 April, some 4,300 care home deaths were reported in a single fortnight during this period.’

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care%20Homes%20Report.pdf?kd5Z8eWzj8Q6ryzHkcaUnxfCtqe5Ddg6=

335141 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Crooks, replying to RickH, #811 of 2284 🔗

Rick, you are plain and simply wrong. It exists and is widely used across Europe if not the world. Europe calls it “excess mortality”.

335174 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to RickH, #812 of 2284 🔗

Exactly. The term ‘excess’ deaths is misleading (deliberately?) and emotive. Some years will be over average. It’s maths. Would be much better I think to use ‘over-average’, though that is problematic also. Dr. John Lee also reckons the 5-year average is too short, and he is probably right.

334801 ▶▶ richmond, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #813 of 2284 🔗

The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine (Oxford University) published a graph on 29 September, showing the weekly totals of respiratory deaths in 2020 (up to September). There was no April/May spike.

Surely this means that the spike in all deaths (which is undisputed) was caused by the hospitals being emptied into the care homes in late March?

In which case surely Dr Kendrick is not only right in saying that covid came and went earlier this year, and that what we are experiencing now is nothing out of the ordinary, but that it wasn’t out of the ordinary in the first place?

334666 Richard Crooks, replying to Richard Crooks, 2, #814 of 2284 🔗

According to the ONS, in week 51, excess all-cause mortality continued to fall in England and Wales to 1,460 (15% above 5YA). The rate in the home continues to be worrying, comprising 57% in week 51.

Year to date (weeks 1 through 51), excess all-cause mortality was 66,471. Of these, excess deaths at home comprise 57% for 2020, amounting to over 38,000 deaths! According to ONS analysis (in September), these excess home deaths are not related to Covid-19.  We should assume that these excess non-Covid-19 deaths at home are related to the nation’s response to Covid-19, and leaders should dwell on that thought.

Deaths “due to” Covid-19 (as opposed to mentioning/involving it) began to rise again in week 51 and now total 68,206 in England and Wales. The ONS Pilot Infection Survey also showed infection rates increasing again in Week 51.

We should expect deaths to rise accordingly through January 2021, mitigated by any Pfizer jabs to date to vulnerable people. In England and Wales, January normally has the peak death rate in England and Wales, however, so excess deaths might not rise materially.

Eastern Europe’s pandemic continues to progress rapidly, with five countries now exceeding the UK’s death rate.

334771 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Richard Crooks, 1, #815 of 2284 🔗

‘We should expect deaths to rise accordingly through January 2021,’
It will be interesting to see if all the dodgy test results do actually correlate with increased deaths. Credit where credit is due the NHS is doing much better at treating people with serious covid and the hospital fatality rate is now much lower than at the start of all this. It is quite possible that in January we start to see total registered deaths coming in at or even below the 5 year average. You can only die once and we have had quite a few deaths in 2020.
Whereas I presume the ONS will, as normal, rule off 2020 as one years data and then start again for 2021, I wonder how the NHS will present its data? will it continue to build up Covid data on a continuing basis with no regard for the new year?

335136 ▶▶▶ Richard Crooks, replying to Steve Martindale, #816 of 2284 🔗

Steve, the Government has not reset the counters in 2021 has it? As for the ONS, it’s simple for anyone with a spreadsheet (or a fag packet for that matter) to add the 2021 weeks onto the end of the 2020 weeks. I’ll certainly be rolling the numbers forward, if only for my own sanity.

334861 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard Crooks, #817 of 2284 🔗

Just forget the term ‘excess deaths’ – it’s a nonsense. Deaths are deaths, and vary from year to year. Stick to contextual comparisons.

Similarly forget deaths ‘due to Covid’. They are fictional numbers ever since the registration process was buggered at the start of this.

I do wish we could get past these mythical concepts – used by the myth-makers – here.

335129 ▶▶▶ Richard Crooks, replying to RickH, #818 of 2284 🔗

RickH – “it’s a nonsense” for you maybe, but not for me, nor the country’s official statisticians for that matter. Nor for Euromomo, which is used across most European countries.

Which contextual comparisons would you suggest?The last bad flu winter in England and Wales was 2014/15. That winter peaked at 593 excess deaths a day on January 10 (and 3,183 max excess deaths for the week ending January 7th, 2015).

I do agree that the cause of death is a problem, which is exactly why we should focus on excess deaths. What’s mythical about that?

334667 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 25, #819 of 2284 🔗

Advice to covid believers: There is an infallible miracle cure: Just switch off the telly. There will be withdrawal symptoms but after a couple of days you will experience a most invogorating sensation in your head: the rebirth of rational thought.

334673 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to George Mc, 15, #820 of 2284 🔗

The media have played a terrible role in all this. The BBC decided very early on that the Covid response was not up for debate, and that has stymied the discussion ever since.

335275 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #821 of 2284 🔗

They were in fact instructed by Ofcom.

334670 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 12, #822 of 2284 🔗

If and when our moron Government are going to follow the truly insane Jeannette McKranky and impose a strict stay at home message here – that will be furlough again til April at least. The Scots must be minted to be able to pay for everyone to stay at home doing nothing indefinitely.

334676 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to nickbowes, 4, #823 of 2284 🔗

Us poor English may be ‘treated’ to looser rules since we have to keep the economy going and pay for the ‘regions’!!

I am being a bit flippant but I’m not sure they can afford to shut everything down in England. The City is already getting clobbered by Brexit.

334690 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #824 of 2284 🔗

I hope you are right,

334725 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #826 of 2284 🔗

I see the asymptomatic myth underlines a lot of the views of those advocating mass vaccination and lockdowns forever

334779 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #827 of 2284 🔗

Indeed. Since ‘asymptomatic spread’ is a well-established part of the narrative, they have the perfect excuse to keep the vaccinated locked down/masked up, because of course, while they may show no symptoms, they might be ‘silent spreaders’.

334841 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to common conservative, 3, #828 of 2284 🔗

You’ve actually put your finger on a bullshit hole in the Covid rhetoric. If asymptomatic spread is such a threat, then vaccines are a useless shot in the dark.

335161 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Crooks, replying to RickH, #829 of 2284 🔗

Rick, it’s true that vaccines may not totally eliminate infectiousness, but if they reduce symptoms and stop bad cases/deaths (which was what they have been approved as doing), then they are clearly not “a useless shot in the dark” are they?

I do think, however, that once all the vulnerable cohorts have had the Pfizer vaccine, that the rest of us should be free to get on with our lives. I’ll be first out with the pitchfork if that turns out not to be the case 🙂

334677 common conservative, 5, #830 of 2284 🔗

Couldn’t you give this girl a big wet, sloppy kiss?

https://youtu.be/bSPM7-GKBk8

334692 Al T, replying to Al T, 11, #831 of 2284 🔗

The Grim Gauleiter of Govan has put Scotland into another lockdown. I’m sure Johnson wants to do the same but that would involve the inconvenience of recalling Parliament.

334698 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Al T, 5, #832 of 2284 🔗

Thank you St Nicola for wrecking our economy keeping us safe .

334705 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Al T, 6, #833 of 2284 🔗

So he won’t. He’ll just announce Tier 4 + 1, except Rutland.

334773 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to Bugle, 3, #834 of 2284 🔗

As surely as night follows day, Johnson is on telly tonight again. More crap incoming.

334786 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Al T, 2, #835 of 2284 🔗

Ignore him. He won’t like that. Strike a blow to his vanity.

334845 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to bebophaircut, #836 of 2284 🔗

I can’t bring myself to watch him.

334853 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bugle, #837 of 2284 🔗

Correction, parliament being recalled. He must think the propaganda has neutralised them.

334752 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Al T, 3, #838 of 2284 🔗

How long until it’s masks outdoors and indoors and 1 hour exercise per day. The Australian model.

334906 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to stefarm, 2, #839 of 2284 🔗

It’s the only place left for them to go. My province is in lockdown and the “case” numbers keep going up, so I’m fully expecting we will end up in a Melbourne-style lockdown. Wouldn’t occur to the morons that maybe, just maybe lockdowns DON’T WORK. No, they’re still blaming us for non-compliance. No masks outdoors here yet, so that’s still one “step” they can take; and it’s winter, so one hour of exercise per day would be acceptable to the sheeple.

334693 Charlie Blue, 9, #840 of 2284 🔗

Sturgid has announced full lockdown from midnight. And as day follows night….have they announced a clown show yet?

334695 DRW, replying to DRW, 10, #841 of 2284 🔗

AIER: Pandemic Response Is Our Vietnam
https://www.aier.org/article/pandemic-response-is-our-vietnam/
One of their best articles yet.

334724 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to DRW, 1, #842 of 2284 🔗

Great article.!

334697 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 6, #843 of 2284 🔗

When Scotland coughs, England sneezes.

334702 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Bugle, 11, #844 of 2284 🔗

When Slough makes a Mars bar, Scotland covers it in batter. And heroin.

334707 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to chaos, 3, #845 of 2284 🔗

Naughty.

334699 bebophaircut, 5, #846 of 2284 🔗

Technocrats don’t think creatively, they think in a linear fashion. Like digital ones and zeros. Go Analogue!

334700 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #847 of 2284 🔗

In a sane world, the path back to normality would be provided by treatments that reduce or eliminate the mortality of covid in people who become seriously ill. This is far more important than herd immunity, because it doesn’t matter if you’re immune to this virus if you don’t get dangerous symptoms from it.

Cue Ivermectin. This study is WHO sponsored. And its results are better on mortality than the vaccines.

https://swprs.org/who-preliminary-review-confirms-ivermectin-effectiveness/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

334832 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #848 of 2284 🔗

Population immunity and effective prophylaxis aren’t in competition – they go hand-in-hand.

What I want to see is good RCT-based science on putative symptom relief, not counter-assertion.

334862 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 3, #849 of 2284 🔗

I’m not an expert – just a very tired man. And it seems to me that anything that dials down the temperature is good.

335048 ▶▶ dhid, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #850 of 2284 🔗

In a sane world…”

Therein lies the problem…..

334701 Ritchie2, replying to Ritchie2, 35, #851 of 2284 🔗

Shit the bed, just listening to Krankie. Full lockdown until February at least, schools closed.

Our region has one of the lowest rates of
C19 ( before you even think about dodgy PCR) in the developed world. FULL Lockdown….

Utter nonsense….. criminal…… out of order….

334706 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Ritchie2, 3, #852 of 2284 🔗

Are you still able to travel to place of work ?

334717 ▶▶▶ Ritchie2, replying to nickbowes, 5, #853 of 2284 🔗

Essential travel but WFH if possible, as per the Spring lockdown.

334715 ▶▶ nootnoot, replying to Ritchie2, 9, #854 of 2284 🔗

I’m reluctantly listening to it as the wife has put it on. I think the wife is upset with me because i’m shouting at the tele and disagreeing with Hitler so much.

334718 ▶▶▶ Ritchie2, replying to nootnoot, 7, #855 of 2284 🔗

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with a dictator pal.

335263 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ritchie2, #856 of 2284 🔗

True – but a lot wrong with listening to the ‘telly’ though.

334726 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Ritchie2, 4, #857 of 2284 🔗

Why? Why? Why? Disgraceful. Kids f**!?Ed. Families f*’:’ed.Wheres the figures to back this up?Time for resistance.

334729 ▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, 1, #858 of 2284 🔗

No not resistance. Action!

334799 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Maccynic, 1, #859 of 2284 🔗

Hear no Evil, Speak no Evil, See no Evil

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334728 ▶▶ alw, replying to Ritchie2, 4, #860 of 2284 🔗

Bring on the revolution.

334775 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ritchie2, 1, #861 of 2284 🔗

DeKrank Krankie.

334709 richmond, replying to richmond, 15, #862 of 2284 🔗

Sack all the teachers, get them to reapply for their jobs under the condition that they will be expected to actually teach. Any shortfall you hire new teachers. There would be plenty of applicants.
Also scrap most of the rigmarole so they can actually get on and teach, not just fill in forms.

334730 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to richmond, 3, #863 of 2284 🔗

Reagan did this with the air traffic controllers back in the day…

334737 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to jhfreedom, #864 of 2284 🔗

Indeed so.

334820 ▶▶ RickH, replying to richmond, 1, #865 of 2284 🔗

“Sack all the teachers”

Such insight! With idiocy like this around, who needs Covidiots?

335143 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to RickH, #866 of 2284 🔗

You obviously think teaching is a terribly difficult job? There are plenty of people for whom it certainly is not.

334716 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 14, #867 of 2284 🔗

Do not fearn them. Laugh at them, deride them, mock them, shame them, ridicule them. Their Utopia is a joke. They are an insult to the cultural history of England, Wales, Ireland and Scotland and have nothing inspiring, or spiritually uplifting, to teach us.

334720 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 6, #868 of 2284 🔗

Expose their stupidities. Coerce them into following us.

334741 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #869 of 2284 🔗

Mark Windows: “We are a minority group that has been marginalized. Or, you make them assimilate you. You have to find a cause or a reason where they will defend you, rather than attack you.”

334749 ▶▶▶ V, replying to bebophaircut, 19, #870 of 2284 🔗

I recently realised that the biggest ‘fuck you’ I can dish out to the insanity of this world and the emotional, irrational creatures that make it so uncomfortable to live in is to refuse to be anything other than outrageously positive, and refuse to let anything – anything – move me away from this position. I will laugh, be happy, spread love, find joy every day. You won’t get me down, you won’t crush my spirit, you won’t even make a dent. I will be too busy counting my blessings and laughing at the absurd predicament of our human condition. Let the chips fall as they may, I am the captain of my soul and I say enough is enough.

Besides, how can you not laugh at this shitshow of clowns and cattle?

334871 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to V, 1, #871 of 2284 🔗

I’m just about to make myself a biggish ‘smile’ badge. Goodness knows when I shall wear it as there’s nothing to do and nowhere to go.

334899 ▶▶▶▶▶ V, replying to bluemoon, 1, #872 of 2284 🔗

Well, just sit there all on your own like a big ninny wearing your smile and chuckling to yourself. 🙂 Why the hell not?!

335259 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to bluemoon, #873 of 2284 🔗

Organise, bluemoon. Business meetings and ‘support’ groups are still allowed.

334738 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to bebophaircut, 9, #874 of 2284 🔗

Just been on a work call where the level of obliviousness to the desperate trouble we are in was so overwhelming that I was left speechless. For the first time I actually felt pity for these people. They just haven’t got a fucking clue where this is going.

334772 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Richard O, 1, #875 of 2284 🔗

Use the K.I.S.S. method and slowly strip away their stupidity.

334733 SilentP, 2, #877 of 2284 🔗

NEWS Scotland going into strict lockdown. Schools shut all January

334735 pvenkman, #878 of 2284 🔗

its looking like we are heading for lockdown again or further restrictions. Yougov is asking about support for lockdowns today, you don’t need to be registered to vote in that one.

I have been feeling a bit perplexed over the last week how can one santa allegedly give the virus to 127 people yet only 17% pass it on to there spouses? Is it a depopulation program or something as simple as vit d deficiency? why are they so keen to inject us with new vaccines when existing treatments show promise yet are slow walked through the approval process?

while I am certain that lockdowns and masks don’t work im not hugely vocal about it as to me it seems this virus is many peoples bogeyman and I do not want to be the one who takes away someone’s safety blanket as i do not know who they are having to protect, but its frustrating that so many people can only see the virus they cant see the damage being done it seems that the many must suffer for the few.

334736 steve_w, 1, #879 of 2284 🔗

can someone please again share the graph that encapsulates that hospitals are not overwhelmed (at least by comparison to other years)?

334739 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 19, #880 of 2284 🔗

I have raised a concern with the Nursing and Midwifery Council about the children’s nurse on Radio 5.
I have also sent an email to my local chief constable for his views on whether the metropolitan police service have breached the terrorism act.
I anticipate some sort of response from the NMC but not so sure about the chief constable.

334831 ▶▶ mj, replying to p02099003, #881 of 2284 🔗

anything to chief constables should also be copied to their PCC Police and crime commissioner as they are supposed to have a supervisor and political role

335254 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to p02099003, #882 of 2284 🔗

Well done p(n).

Sadly, I reckon your local chief con will say ‘nowt to do with me’.

334743 danny, replying to danny, 14, #883 of 2284 🔗

Just watching the new laws announced for Scotland, with Boris no doubt to follow.
All I ever hear now is damn case numbers. Not deaths. Certainly not looking at who is actually ill. My battle with Brighton council over the school closures there is the same. A 500% increase in cases don’t you know! FFS if there’s a 500% increase in “cases” wouldn’t there be a resultant rise in Covid deaths? Let’s be generous and half that. Where is the 250% rise in mortality?
Either the tests are bullshit, you can’t be asymptomatic, or the “500%” rise without similar deaths is proof of herd immunity and we are done.

334751 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to danny, 2, #884 of 2284 🔗
334810 ▶▶ RickH, replying to danny, #885 of 2284 🔗

FFS if there’s a 500% increase in “cases” wouldn’t there be a resultant rise in Covid deaths?”

Of course. And if there isn’t a significant rise – what’s the fucking problem?

334745 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 10, #886 of 2284 🔗

Not all bad news today then:

The Telegraph (paywall):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/bbc-has-failed-doctor-jodie-whittaker-no-wonder-quitting/

The BBC has failed Doctor Who, and Jodie Whittaker – no wonder she’s quitting

Flat, worthy and woke, the unlucky 13th Doctor’s adventures have been a criminal waste of this talented actress – and caused a ratings slide

. . . .

Who might replace her? Into whom might Whittaker regenerate at the climax of this year’s series? Speculation has already begun, naturally, and so far it’s the usual merry-go-round of mooted names – many of whom were widely tipped last time around. Don’t be surprised if it’s a non-white or openly gay choice, or indeed another woman, now that the “straight white male” template had been broken. If so, expect the purists, anti-PC brigade and BBC bashers to explode with outrage all over again.

The BBC – they will never learn!

334756 ▶▶ V, replying to Tenchy, 7, #887 of 2284 🔗

Hahaha! Get woke go broke.

334850 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Tenchy, #888 of 2284 🔗

I’ve always thought Eddie Izzard would make a wonderful Dr Who (at the same time as agreeing with you about the BBC’s craven wokeness).

334867 ▶▶ mj, replying to Tenchy, #889 of 2284 🔗

to get past paywall block javascript for the website

335051 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tenchy, 2, #890 of 2284 🔗

“talented actress”
My days what a stretch

335210 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tenchy, 1, #891 of 2284 🔗

It will be some total wokeling nutter and ratings will dive further.

335327 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tenchy, #892 of 2284 🔗

I’d love to get some blackmail material on the senior BBC luvvies, commission a script from Andrew Lawrence and cast Laurence Fox as the good doctor, and force them to show it.

I stopped watching it decades ago because it was so much and so heavy-handedly a part of the BBC indoctrination process, but it was a fixture in my childhood home.

334750 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #893 of 2284 🔗

From and American friend living in Thailand:

“a good friend is now dying in an Edinburg hospital. Why are so many hospitals closed? Why are people not taking hydroxychloroquine or quinine of which I have been taking for over 40 years when relapsing malaria returns. My brother, who is an orthopedic surgeon, takes it as a prophylactic because he is working everyday at hospital, as all staff are doing so. If Trump had said not to take it, lunatic leftist media would be singing songs of praise for it. This medicine saves LIVES! Tonic water has quinine, so just have a gin and tonic and take vitamins with zinc and get some vitamin D sunshine. It could save your LIFE! ”

This is what he forwarded to me and the reason behind his:

“today I have very sad news. Our friend XXXXX will die today according to the doctors.
He has been admitted to the hospital middle of December and had gall bladder surgery. However, bile continued to leak and could not be stopped. Several examinations followed, and it seems that the pancreas was injured. He was home for a short time, but had to be hospitalized again for further examinations.
There he was infected with Covit19. His condition worsened and he needed to be ventilated. Today, in the presence of XXXXXX a nurse told him that he would not expect to survive this day.
Now we are all waiting for his end.

His wife XXXXX was not allowed to stay on his side for longer.
They now have contact via FaceTime. But he can’t speak.

What a tragedy.”

It is a fucking inhumane disgrace what the NHS are doing – another one killed by an illness they caught in hospital.

As to his question on why are hospital closed I sent him the photo attached and said “this will explain it all” but the one with wancock or any other politician or SAGE member would ave done.

334804 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #894 of 2284 🔗

It is a fucking inhumane disgrace what the NHS are doing”

Having just come out of hospital (and having absolutely no truck with the Covid Scary Fairy Dance), a lot of the NHS is doing an excellent job.

The problem is at the political level : firstly the insane testing regime that creates a super-spreader problem when a fragment of RNA can lead to uninfected individuals being shoved in with genuinely infected individuals, thus creating a bigger problem, which also affects staff availability.

Secondly, there is the use of Covid by politicized management as a lever for resources.

Thirdly, the long term, post-Thatcher/Blair (the deadly twins) real problem of creeping privatisation for profit initiatives that have squeezed bed capacity.

334825 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, 3, #895 of 2284 🔗

I’m glad your experiences have been a lot better than the abysmal experiences me, my wife, my family etc have suffreed over the years.

334962 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #896 of 2284 🔗

Don’t trust men who wear casual zip-up fleeces over a tie and under suit jackets. They always seem to be dodgy.

334753 Jo, replying to Jo, 8, #897 of 2284 🔗

Mike Yeadon posted a video from WHO about masks, basically saying that people without symptoms shouldn’t wear them and the woman then demonstrating how to put on a mask and saying to dispose of it after use.
So (thinking I could use this to convince the people I posted about a few days ago wearing masks outside to encourage young people to wear them) I went to the website. I could not find the relevant video, and going on to the mask section, there was advice that people should wear masks and in some situations children aged over 6 should too.
Is it deliberate that even on one website there are such confusing messages? I think most of us are behind the scientific premise that true science is dynamic, it evolves and if the evidence changes, then the advice does too. I bet there are loads of people working on that WHO website and all information and advice about masks could be updated. But no. It sadly seems to reflect the whole nature of the information put out there: designed to confuse and divide.

335208 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jo, #898 of 2284 🔗

WHO is led by a fool who claims herd immunity does not involve people getting a disease!

334754 Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 7, #899 of 2284 🔗

Martin from Bracknell on Talk Radio. Visitor to this site. I doff my cap.

Just now Sarigan or earlier?

334766 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to kh1485, 1, #901 of 2284 🔗

On now.

334770 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lydia, #902 of 2284 🔗

Thanks, will listen when I get home.

334755 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 7, #903 of 2284 🔗

We’re forced to take a weekly test to come to the office now. To be fair there is a get out clause that you can refuse and work from home, but you know where that would leave you in the eyes of management. Just waiting for the email about the vaccine in due course..

334764 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Adamb, 9, #904 of 2284 🔗

Yes, the government is relying on employers to mandate the vaccine so that they don’t have to legislate for it. Needless to say I will be resigning the minute any such mandate is announced by my employer.

334787 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 5, #905 of 2284 🔗

I don’t know the law in the UK, but if an employer mandated a vaccine here and the employee was injured from it, the employer could be sued. It’s the same with our government — if they mandate a vaccine they are on the hook for any ill effects. The reason that’s not the case now is because vaccines aren’t mandated. When we take a vaccine it is presumed we read the package insert and, therefore, voluntarily assumed the risk. The issue that will ultimately have to be decided in court is whether restricting people’s ability to earn a living, move freely — basically infringing on our Charter of Rights and Freedoms — is coercion and, in fact, a mandate through the back door.

334892 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #906 of 2284 🔗

The rule of law effectively ended in the UK on 23rd March 2020, so I am expecting no protection from the legal system whatsoever.

334890 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Richard O, 1, #907 of 2284 🔗

If everybody ignored the government’s decrees and demands we would be talking about some other subject on this forum instead of this BS..

335244 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, 1, #908 of 2284 🔗

I’ll be clinging on like grim death, and raising grievances hourly. 🙂

334785 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Adamb, 4, #909 of 2284 🔗

As I said yesterday as long as there is doubt about vaccine affect on fertility any company which mandates the vaccine will surely be on dangerous legal ground if they demand to know why female staff are refusing it as it’s against employment law to ask female staff if they plan to get pregnant.

334858 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to dpj, 2, #910 of 2284 🔗

Yes, I don’t really see it happening, but I’ve said that about so much that has subsequently come to pass over the last 9 months!

334884 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Adamb, 1, #911 of 2284 🔗

Nose swab test?

334894 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Adamb, 3, #912 of 2284 🔗

When I raised the issue of forced testing to allow access to the office with my bosses, some of them seemed to think I was nuts. Fortunately for now we’ve no intention of doing any such thing – some of the bosses are sceptics and have balls.

334757 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #913 of 2284 🔗

Son just asked me “why in the live broadcast from Downing Street is teh UN flag flying over the PM’s house?”

I don;t know but sure enough it’s been there a few days as this from yesterday:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/04/latest-news-244/#comments

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/kpu1gk/union_jack_flag_replaced_by_flag_of_the_un_above/

Has there been a coup or something?

334768 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #914 of 2284 🔗

Great find. Not exactly subtle is it? Might be related to the UK’s assumption of the G7 presidency on 1st January, but the message it sends is crystal clear.

334776 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Richard O, 1, #915 of 2284 🔗

Yes, I think it is likely related to the G7 presidency, but it is also Boris signalling that he is now ‘King of the World’ material to the globalists who can fund his retirement.

334826 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to V, #917 of 2284 🔗

Deaths normally mean the flag is flown at half mast.

334852 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #918 of 2284 🔗

Boris believes in Agenda 21 and 230. We should ask him who he is working for.

334761 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, 7, #919 of 2284 🔗

I have been watching this site for many months.Thank you to everyone on here,you have kept my spirits up.
Hancock is now saying”the new,new Sth African strain is very worrying and the vaccine may not work against it.
Is he making another future excuse.
Just to say,as a 65 yr old, I will never vote for a government ran by this charloton.I am totally done with most of these Scum.
Power leads to money.

334816 ▶▶ DThom, replying to Dartford44, 1, #920 of 2284 🔗

I’m afraid money is at the heart of everything to do with this con!

335006 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Dartford44, #921 of 2284 🔗

I don’t suppose he has any evidence to suggest that this latest strain is any more dangerous that the many others that have been circulating. No evidence was ever produced for the mutant strain that cancelled Xmas and seems to have quietly been forgotten. The vaccine may not work against the ‘original’ strain – depending on your definition of ‘work’.

It’s all bullish*t!!

334762 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #922 of 2284 🔗
334778 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 30, #923 of 2284 🔗

Another I seen today.

334876 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #924 of 2284 🔗

Suggestions: Drop the I’m. Change You force to Forcing. So you (small y) can feel safe. Retirement pensions. Drop the last line.

334765 Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 2, #925 of 2284 🔗

8pm

334790 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 2, #926 of 2284 🔗

If everyone stopped watching he might go away

334802 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to DanClarke, 1, #927 of 2284 🔗

Unfortunately most will be planning their teatime around it already.

334822 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 2, #928 of 2284 🔗

Dont know how anyone can stand to watch the lies

334843 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to DanClarke, 1, #929 of 2284 🔗

Cancel all your TV subscriptions and download your favourite programs instead.

335040 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #930 of 2284 🔗

been teaching loads of youngsters how to torrent
Most of them are clueless
I grew up on it in the noughties

335077 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to bebophaircut, #931 of 2284 🔗

get a firestick and a free amazon account. Then download “downloader” app and then cinema app. all explained on internet .

334795 ▶▶ james007, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 7, #932 of 2284 🔗

Oh God not another press conference.
Knowing that Johnson has a press conference booked feels me with a dread, as if I know another bomb was about to explode in my desolated town, not knowing how many more will be hurt.

334874 ▶▶▶ Hypatia, replying to james007, 3, #933 of 2284 🔗

I know. My heart sinks whenever I hear about yet another press conference. I wonder what fresh hell is in store?

334798 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 6, #934 of 2284 🔗

Emergency recall of MPs too so likely voting on a national lockdown

334777 jc990, replying to jc990, 1, #935 of 2284 🔗

Yougov polls just now are super skewed to lockdown zealots.
A couple of days ago it was suggested that we start participating in https://www.yougov.chat/ to start making our views heard. In spite of how possibly futile it may be I’ve been participating and today I got some interesting questions to answer. Worryingly many people who’ve participated are zealots as you can see from the numbers below:
(1) Would you like to see tougher measures being taken to restrict movement or would you prefer restrictions to be eased?
Tougher 72%
Eased 16%
Neither 9%
Not sure 3%

(2) Should scools be open?
Yes, all 24%
Yes, some 16%
No, none 56%
Not sure 4%

(3) What about cafes, bars and restaurants… should they be open?
Yes, all 16%
Yes, some 15%
No, none 67%
Not sure 2%

(4) How about non-essential retailres, should they be open?
Yes, all 17%
Yes, some 17%
No, none 64%
Not sure 2%

Now, when people were asked about economic doom they seem to agree it’ll be hard. Yet they accept all the previous measures:

(5) Do you expect 2021 to be a year of economic recovery or more decline?
Recovery 20%
Decline 57%
Neither 16%
No idea 7%

Let’s try to skew the balance to our side!

334809 ▶▶ DThom, replying to jc990, 4, #936 of 2284 🔗

Take away the furlough bribes and these % will reverse!

334783 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 5, #937 of 2284 🔗

Neil O’Brien MP (a ‘Conservative’) is one of the most dangerous fanatics in favour of lockdown. He is obsessed by cases and believes that lockdown works. The excellent American Institute for Economic Research at https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/ has short summaries and links to 26 academic scientific papers which refute lockdown. If lots of people tweet and/or email this link or a link to one of the papers to him and ministers, this may at least show them that there is a mountain of evidence against what they are doing. Why not do the same with your MP?

334882 ▶▶ Julian, replying to frankfrankly, #938 of 2284 🔗

I tend to think that Hitchen’s advice about writing to MPs is spot on – write often and write in large numbers but keep it short and sweet – they have a short attention span

334784 Mark, replying to Mark, 8, #939 of 2284 🔗

Guy de la Bédoyère’s argument is well written and eloquent as always but rather misses the point I think.

All political debates involve both rational and emotional components, and while it’s perfectly reasonable to argue that emotion usually triumphs over reason (though I would say reason has an input), the important question then is why has the emotional side of the coronapanic triumphed over the emotional components of the resistance to it.

My view, as explained in response to McGrogan’s piece yesterday is that this is largely due to the overwhelming political, social and economic power behind the panic side, but that of course merely moves the question on to why such forces came down on that side.

334849 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark, 2, #940 of 2284 🔗

Not to mention the drip-drip-drip of fear porn from the dead tree press and TV “news”.

335035 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nick Rose, #941 of 2284 🔗

Indeed, though I had viewed that as part of the “ political, social and economic power” I mentioned.

334788 Maccynic, 3, #942 of 2284 🔗

https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

Scottish government official data site. Went for a look to see justification for this lunacy just announced.

‘this site will not be updated between 1 and 4 january’

???? ?????
??

334791 Scotswifie, replying to Scotswifie, 97, #943 of 2284 🔗

I am proud to say my children attend this school. Just posted by the headmaster.

Children no longer matter

In 31 years of teaching, I don’t think I’ve ever felt so despondent and so concerned at the same time. Our world is in the grip of a pandemic and governments across the globe have poured billions of pounds into fighting it and in trying to support the lockdown strategy. Makes me wonder why we couldn’t tackle other issues globally and so ferociously in terms of spend. What about the Climate Emergency? The obesity pandemic? The fact that in 2021 we still have people living on the street; that it takes an international footballer, Marcus Rashford, to shame the British Government into feeding children during school holidays. And what does that also tell us about the current levels of poverty in the UK? What about the 1500 people that die every day in the UK from the big three: heart disease, strokes and cancer-related illnesses. Why haven’t we taken these issues as seriously as we have a virus which is likely to end up with a mortality rate of well below 1%, and which, according to the Office for National Statistics has an average age of death in the UK of 83. Meanwhile, in Glasgow, Scotland’s largest city, men have a life expectancy of 71.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist; I’m not some radical on the fringes of a fringe. I’m just a teacher and this is what I see:

In the last three months, in my school and in schools like it, I am witnessing mental health issues unlike anything I’ve seen in my career. This is not me trying to be dramatic or to overplay what lockdown actually does to children. I am seeing children being diagnosed with clinical depression, increasing rates of self-harm (even in Scotland, where we already had the highest rate of self-harm in 15-year-old girls anywhere in the world, bar one), suicidal ideation and, something I haven’t seen for at least 20 years, a resurgence of eating disorders. Add to this, those students who are displaying worrying levels of stress and anxiety; the same students that describe online learning as stress inducing. Anyone that has been involved in a Zoom meeting knows how stressful it can be and yet the great solution to our educational recovery is online learning. Well, I’m an educator and I think, at best, it’s a horribly poor substitute for in-school learning.

Right throughout this pandemic, the needs of our children seem to be at the bottom of every Government’s priority list. The cynic in me might suggest that it is because they can’t vote. Fortunately, I’m not cynical. To me, it’s actually just as worrying though to suggest that kids don’t really matter that much if they are not dying.

At the moment, there seems to be no alternative voice; no political party willing to stand up for children’s plight, no media criticism; merely, more nodding in agreement that lockdown is the only solution. Well, just remember in our attempts to suppress a virus and ‘to save the NHS’ that the price we pay is the downward spiral in the mental well-being of our children and a legacy of under-achievement as a result. Last summer, individual children were the lowest priority in Government as seen in the examination results fiasco. As of the 2nd January, there is not one single hospital bed available for any young person suffering from mental health issues anywhere in Scotland. The current waiting time for a mental health appointment with CAMHS in the Lothians is six months. Utterly disgraceful.

Children need to be with their friends. They need to play. They need to develop their social and academic skills. How dare we have created an environment where a 5-year-old can say, ‘I can’t play with Freddy because he’s not part of my bubble’. It is the stuff of nonsense and it is our children who will end up being this lockdown’s ‘collateral damage’.

Schools need to be OPEN and they need to open NOW.

Rod Grant
Headmaster

334805 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Scotswifie, 27, #944 of 2284 🔗

You should be proud of your children attending that school with that headmaster. Please write him back and tell him we support him 1000% in his approach…!

334806 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Scotswifie, 14, #945 of 2284 🔗

Send him a well done from me.

334929 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #946 of 2284 🔗

And another from ne.

334807 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Scotswifie, 10, #947 of 2284 🔗

That’s amazing. He doesn’t mention the extremely low, next to zero, risk for kids. However, he doesn’t need to. Outlining the costs of school closures is enough.

334811 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Scotswifie, 9, #948 of 2284 🔗

Powerful stuff – thanks for posting. All I can say is that I’m glad that my kids are all grown up and are independent.

334846 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to godowneasy, #949 of 2284 🔗

No grandkids yet, gde ? 🙂

334912 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to JohnB, 1, #950 of 2284 🔗

Yes, one, but thankfully she’s not my responsibility……

334814 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Scotswifie, 5, #951 of 2284 🔗

Could you send that to UsforThem? I wonder if other head teachers are thinking the same thing but are too afraid to speak out.

334889 ▶▶▶ Scotswifie, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #952 of 2284 🔗

It’s on UsforThem scotland

334824 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Scotswifie, 1, #953 of 2284 🔗

Could you supply a link? I would like to share this brilliant piece

334830 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Scotswifie, 2, #954 of 2284 🔗

Hear, hear. Glad to see that the entire education system has not been infested by Common Purpose. I’ll be sending that to my son’s head master if that’s acceptable. Though he is currently planning to open tomorrow anyway, fingers crossed.

334834 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Scotswifie, 2, #955 of 2284 🔗

Hope you’ve pointed him in our direction? A little more faith in teachers has been restored.

334865 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to Scotswifie, 5, #956 of 2284 🔗

A headmaster who actually offers leadership and cares for the welfare of his charges? I didn’t think they existed at this point.

334870 ▶▶ PW, replying to Scotswifie, 1, #957 of 2284 🔗

Will that be enough to get him the sack??

334903 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Scotswifie, 1, #958 of 2284 🔗

Superb and honest letter, although a quick search reveals that it is (if I got it correct) a fee paying independent school. I doubt you’ll get a similar letter from a state school head.

334977 ▶▶▶ Scotswifie, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #959 of 2284 🔗

Yes it is, it was only during lockdown 1 that I realised how badly there were doing at the local school, so we moved them.

334928 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Scotswifie, 10, #960 of 2284 🔗

Children need to be with their friends. They need to play. They need to develop their social and academic skills.

An entire generation has been thrown under the bus. Many on here would disagree with me, but I think this is a deliberate strategy. The government knows exactly what it is doing in this regard. The new society requires atomised, imbalanced individuals with no concept of human connection.

334970 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Richard O, #961 of 2284 🔗

Park a bus in front of #10 Downing Street, empty the contents therein and throw them under it.

335025 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, #962 of 2284 🔗

Easier to enslave that way. They’re initiating dependence on the state really early by creating a cohort of children who will be incapable to functioning.

334950 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Scotswifie, 1, #963 of 2284 🔗

UsForThemScotland have tweeted it:

https://twitter.com/UsForThemScotl1/status/1346109681773776896

I’m sure NoCheeseGromit meant to add the link 😉

335181 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Scotswifie, 1, #964 of 2284 🔗

During/after the first lockdown my 4yr old girl become more introverted. She was more shy around people and became very scared of dogs whereas before she’d be the one chasing them.

This was only a minor change compared to what others may have experienced but it was highly noticeable to me.

334792 dpj, replying to dpj, 8, #965 of 2284 🔗

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-55531069

Just read this. Once again she mentions that new variant is faster spreading and affects children more. Is there actually any evidence to support these claims? PHE report released last week seemed to suggest age range affected is almost identical to all other variants and I’ve seen no definitive evidence to support claim that it spreads faster.

334800 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to dpj, 7, #966 of 2284 🔗

It seems to be that if government mention it, it is true and no matter how many studies walk it back it can be used indefinitely to stoke fear.

334812 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to dpj, 2, #967 of 2284 🔗

Interesting analysis of the latest sage meeting minutes on UK column today. All made up word salad with no actual evidence.

334793 EssieSW, 3, #968 of 2284 🔗

Clown show confirmed for 8pm tonight

334794 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 34, #969 of 2284 🔗

The January madness of the Covid-19 pandemic narrative has officially begun. The mass hysteria will reach a crescendo that will make our ears bleed…
Meanwhile, I still don’t know a single person who has died of Covid-19, most only had mild symptoms if they ever had it or were tested for it. But I darn well know more than half a dozen people in my surroundings fighting cancer and cardiovascular disease. Around me, breast cancer is rampant. I don’t have enough fingers to count cases. Anyone wants to shut down the world until we have a cure for cancer?
Covid-19 is a mind fuck par excellence, and no it won’t kill the vast vast vast majority of us, but you can be well assured, cancer will do the job instead if we can’t get our acts together on our super-toxic lifestyle.

334891 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Pebbles, 1, #970 of 2284 🔗

Interesting. I saw a mask-wearer lower the rag and have a cigarette today. Surely we should be banning tobacco WELL before locking people up in their homes to ‘save the NHS’…we could save something like a quarter to a third of all cancers if tobacco was not used. So many smarter ways to avoid excess deaths than locking people up at home.

334925 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #971 of 2284 🔗

Oh go away, you have intelligence and common sense, neither is allowed.

334964 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Pebbles, 1, #972 of 2284 🔗

My wife was successfully treated for breast cancer some years ago and I used to accompany her to the clinic. I was amazed at the number of young women in their late Twenties or Thirties who were attending. It must be awful to be so young and face possible disfiguring surgery But at least they were being assessed and treated – but now?

334796 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 25, #973 of 2284 🔗

Thought I’d fill the BBC survey in. Some of the comments I put :

The BBC is supposed to be an impartial organisation but it’s appalling one sided coverage of Covid, which is deliberately designed to create fear, hysteria and panic in the population has been absolutely disgusting.

You are primarily responsible for the lockdowns (by reporting and printing false information) which resulted in the deaths of thousands of people in this country and continue to kill, as well as causing severe physical and mental damage to thousands of others.

The actual facts are easy to obtain and would put all the fear you plough out daily into context and would help to a) reassure people and b) end the pointless lockdowns, but you choose to ignore anything that doesn’t create panic and doom.

The programming at the BBC is absolutely pathetic. Its just a woke box ticking exercise. None of it reflects real life. It only reflects your notion of what you (wrongly) think people think real life should look like. You are so out of touch with what 80% of the population think and want to see You cater to the minority not the majority.

335180 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Hubes, #974 of 2284 🔗

Having a bad day today I watched some bad, cheap to produce programs on BBC. One point I raised in the questionnaire.

Them “pretending to stick to the rules” is such a joke!
Move to the country:. Interviews being done outside, standing 2 metres apart, only for the next shot where the house hunting couple is sharing a pub table with the guy who just took them on a bike ride, and earlier just stood facing the househunter helping her put a helmet on!

334797 DThom, 2, #975 of 2284 🔗

Reading the West Midland police article above shows exactly how our money us being wasted and why there is a ‘shortage’ of front line police!

334803 DanClarke, 5, #976 of 2284 🔗

My brother died NYE 2019, we had to wait until early February for his funeral, this year checking the local paper, funerals are taking place within days of death.

334808 George Mc, 11, #977 of 2284 🔗

just heard about our darling Nicola shutting us in our gulag from midnight. Apparently the hospitals are so besieged there are corpses taking up the car park. One if my workmates told me how the new vax has an efficiency rate of 70% compared to 30% for the regular flu vax. I presume that means the new vax will kill more than twice as many thus requiring more car park space.

Gosh it’s such fun!

334813 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #978 of 2284 🔗

Why 8pm? What does the fat fuck want it to be too late to do?

334817 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #979 of 2284 🔗

And don’t forget to factor in the inevitable delay because the bugger never turns up on time.

334835 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 16, #980 of 2284 🔗

He can leave it to midnight. I won’t be watching the waffling bar of lard at any time.

334838 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #981 of 2284 🔗

I will be watching “Children of Men” to see what our vaccines have in store for us

334839 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #982 of 2284 🔗

Me neither. Unfair on lard …

334823 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #983 of 2284 🔗

March lockdown was also announced at 8pm. This makes me think it’s going to be a national one. 8pm is in the evening when more people are at home – fewer people out and about. Parliament is also being recalled on Wednesday to allow a vote, which suggests it’s going to be national.

334828 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Poppy, 11, #984 of 2284 🔗

What have I got to lose, here in Tier 4 land; breathing?

334863 ▶▶▶▶ james007, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #985 of 2284 🔗

Maybe we will be ‘asked’ to stop breathing in order to ‘protect our NHS’.

334981 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #986 of 2284 🔗

Yes, they’ll try to force muzzles outdoors and even in your own house. I truly do think they want to cure Covid by suffocating us all.

334829 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #987 of 2284 🔗

He obviously doesn’t want any Liverpool or Southampton fans watching him …

334963 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Sam Vimes, #988 of 2284 🔗

Coronation Street comes on at 9 P.M.

335026 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Sam Vimes, #989 of 2284 🔗

Why 8pm? What does the fat fuck want it to be too late to do?”

He’s probably got to nip out to Tesco to get some hair gel.

335103 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sam Vimes, #990 of 2284 🔗

Does that mean Eastenders is cancelled?

335177 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Sam Vimes, #991 of 2284 🔗

Take your money out of the bank?

334815 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #992 of 2284 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-55528150 school closed because several teachers refused to return! Surely that is breach of contract as they’re not actually ill.

335008 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to p02099003, 2, #993 of 2284 🔗

But they still get 100% salary.

334821 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #994 of 2284 🔗

I think that the collaborators are getting rattled now.
I had to contact the local doctor’s surgery to “OK” my prescription meds today and the receptionist at the doctors said: all done, you can pick up your tablets now at the pharmacists who are in the same building.
Went to the pharmacy to be told “just because the doctors have “OK’D them, it doesn’t mean that we have got them”.
I always sport my anti lockdown badge when I go to the pharmacy and I’ve noticed the look of distain on this particular pharmacist’s face every time he looks at me and my badge.
“OK,I said I’ll pick them up tomorrow” says I although I have run out of statins.
“Oh that will be ok, you can miss one, I’ll sort it out tomorrow”.
Childish or what?
It will take more than mind games to defeat and silence us sceptics eh?

334842 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #995 of 2284 🔗

I think they are just incompetent more than playing mind games

334844 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #996 of 2284 🔗

You might say that the pharmacist was statin the obvious. Sorry, that was unforgivable, I’ll get my coat..

334855 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #997 of 2284 🔗

No H, made me laugh.
Keep it up.

334959 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #998 of 2284 🔗

Any news on Staten Island, New York?

335278 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to bebophaircut, #999 of 2284 🔗

Apparently the 100 wild turkeys that invaded the Dongan Hills neighbourhood a few years back have been relocated to Washington where they continue to shit on everything and everyone. Pass the bourbon!

334924 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1000 of 2284 🔗

Josef Statin

334827 bebophaircut, #1001 of 2284 🔗

Editor-in-Chief of The Guardian:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Viner

334833 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 30, #1002 of 2284 🔗

Just found out my Grandmother’s nursing home has a Covid 19 outbreak. So after 10 months of strict / no visiting, temperature checks and testing they are pretty much in exactly the same position as they would have been if they just carried on as normal. Many residents have died during the last year without being able to see their relatives for months.

I am sure the general consensus amongst residents families will be measure should have been even stricter, staff should have been forced to live in etc. I just feel what a complete waste of time and resources the past year have been and how cruel to stop people seeing relatives for getting on for a year.

334873 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Darryl, 5, #1003 of 2284 🔗

How much more evidence do the moronic collaborators need to see the truth ?

334919 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #1004 of 2284 🔗

They din’t know the meaning of ‘evidence’ or ktruth’. Because they are morons.

334921 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #1005 of 2284 🔗

Interestingly all the staff and residents got the first jab a couple of weeks ago, if they all get covid and the symptoms are just as bad that will dash a few hopes.

334957 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, 5, #1006 of 2284 🔗

Is it too much of a stretch to suggest that the cause of this outbreak was the Covid vaccine?

334992 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, 8, #1007 of 2284 🔗

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if some of the residents survived having covid last winter and it was put down as another illness. Not convinced the vaccines will make much difference to very old frail dementia residents either way. Most people who go into the home don’t last a full year, death is often a weekly occurrence, yet a single covid death will be the end of the world. Unfortunately modern western society has a real problem dealing with death.

335121 ▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Darryl, #1008 of 2284 🔗

PLEASE keep an eye on that and report this to LS and send to the fuckers in the MSM. That is actually just what we are all waiting for – the vaccine to explode into their faces!

334836 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 14, #1009 of 2284 🔗

With the latest lockdown (by which I mean the one for us lucky Scots), I don’t think there’s any point in tackling the propaganda head on. Overflowing hospitals, skyrocketing case or death or whatever figures, 20 new variants including one that will eat your budgie – yeah whatever. And if all your smug friends sneering at your “conspiracy theories” are happy enough jacking off to virus porn, sure, whatever keeps them happy.

The only way to stay sane is to “tune this bullshit out” and just consider what’s really going on I.e the deliberate destruction of services, businesses, and the reset. Just keep your eye on details about that. If you can find any.

335036 ▶▶ jb12, replying to George Mc, 1, #1010 of 2284 🔗

Yes. I am over all of this shit. We are hurtling towards a ‘sustainable’ society: I hope the sheeple accept it as meekly as they have Covid, they deserve it.

334840 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 40, #1011 of 2284 🔗

Tweet from Emma Kenny:
I know many of you feel alone…you’re wrong because behind the scenes a group of scientists and clinicians are coming together to challenge the Governments approach and to provide a real Alternative to SAGE. Watch this space #HoldTheLine

334922 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to nocheesegromit, 13, #1012 of 2284 🔗

Wish they’d bloody hurry up.

334961 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nocheesegromit, 11, #1013 of 2284 🔗

What like the Great Barrington Declaration that every government in the world ignored?

334968 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 7, #1014 of 2284 🔗

And smeared the good names of the signatories, calling them “fringe” scientists.

334847 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 40, #1015 of 2284 🔗

New national lockdown to be announced tonight. I just know it. Johnson is making a ‘televised address’ (rather than a press conference) so we know it’ll just be him sat at that desk addressing the plebs like a dictator. 8pm is relatively late as well – fewer people out and about, captive audience at home. Parliament is being recalled on Wednesday so we know they’re going to need to vote on it – meaning it will almost definitely be national.

Quite simply, the people just believe what the government say. We haven’t failed at all; we just don’t have the mesmeric power of a million-pound propaganda machine behind us. As someone said on here the other day, we can present incontrovertible evidence that what is in front of the people is a rabbit, and they have a sneaking suspicion that it is indeed a rabbit, but there’s a cacophony of screaming voices and vested interests telling them it is instead a cat. Those voices are very hard to ignore, because people feel as if they should trust them; people want to be able to trust the mainstream media and the government, and in any other world, we should be able to, because these institutions are meant to have our best interests at heart. However, in our world of Big Tech, social media, vested interests and hollowed-out democracy, these institutions are now rotten to the core.

This is what happens when people become too reliant on the virtual world and the MSM to inform their worldview. They’re just incapable of using their own eyes and ears.

334859 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Poppy, 11, #1016 of 2284 🔗

I’ve said it before. We’ve already lost the war, we never had a chance. What we’re fighting for now is every bit of liberty we can get out of the peace.

334880 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Achilles, 9, #1017 of 2284 🔗

Agree. I feel at this rate that we will only be vindicated long after we’re dead, when the historians of the future can look at this shitshow objectively.

334901 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Poppy, 5, #1018 of 2284 🔗

Perhaps we will have monuments erected in our honour?

334951 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Achilles, 5, #1019 of 2284 🔗

And we can influence the new world. It will largely be a world made of

* you’re ill until you prove yourself well (tests/vax = freedom pass)
* you need to mind what you say and how you Stoke dissidence (social credit)
* computer based prediction will give us: mobility, financial acceptance/inclusion

This was already in the making

Climate change is possibly also a test for how we can buy into computer modelling as “science”

Financial services already has similar modelling and that’s been going for a long time.

The future is AI and modelling. How we influence that could provide meaning and purpose.

Additionally we may find a range of ways we can make a difference: train to be a nurse/doctor, scientist, computer scientist. I’m not being flippant here, I’m genuinely trying to work out how we can make a difference.

I think whilst some of us resist we also have to work on creating the works we want to see from inside the new world.

I’m trying to look at it from a range of angles. Pushing back or escaping is not the only way.

Sent with love x

335271 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1020 of 2284 🔗

Yes, we have to continue trying to carve out some kind of humane space to live in. And changes are not irreversible. Never give up.

335376 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Country Mumkin, #1021 of 2284 🔗

A problem with this is the rise of AI. If you read Noah Yuval Harari’s books, he explains very convincingly how nearly all these jobs – including doctors and lawyers and many scientific jobs will be taken over by algorithms.
(And unless he’s changed his tune – he isn’t a sceptic, which just goes to show how one of the most brilliant minds in the world can at the same time be completely stupid! There are lots of sceptical scientists in Israel, one of their medical officers spoke out strongly against the lockdown)

334869 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Poppy, 16, #1022 of 2284 🔗

Makes absolutely no difference to me. Ignored the first one (as much as you could do) I think I’m in tier 4 already but honestly don’t care what tier or lockdown (same thing) I’m in. Will continue to ignore. Aside from shutting schools not sure what else can close.

334877 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Hubes, 19, #1023 of 2284 🔗

Indeed. Best thing we can all do now is try and get on with life as much as we can, which is what I have done since March. I understand it’s different for businesses and schools who are forced to close. What the government is doing to children especially is unforgivable.

334918 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Poppy, 14, #1024 of 2284 🔗

Cruel, ignorant, stupid Carthaginians sacrificed their children to Moloch in the second century BC..
Cruel, ignorant, stupid Brits sacrifice their children to Covid in the second century BBC..
There’a human progress for you.
Delendi sunt zombii Britannici.

334947 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, 3, #1025 of 2284 🔗

Drool Brittania.

334949 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1026 of 2284 🔗

Droog Brittania.

334966 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 1, #1027 of 2284 🔗

They bought the children of the poor to sacrifice first but when that didn’t work they ended up sacrificing even more of their own children. A sermon in there somewhere if the churches were open. A sermon about that too!

335113 ▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Poppy, 2, #1028 of 2284 🔗

That is so true regarding kids and yet… where the actual fuck are the parents kicking up a fuss!? If their children are suffering why don’t they speak up? I know some are here on the forum but where is the rest? Why is everyone SILENT and just paralyzed by fear? Maybe their kids aren’t suffering enough. Maybe we need triple the wave of teenage suicides than they had in Victoria / Australia (which way exceeded the Covid mortality) for these “parents” to actually wake the fuck up.

334886 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Hubes, 5, #1029 of 2284 🔗

Well said H.
I will carry “as normal” until the police force me not to.

334909 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1030 of 2284 🔗

Even then – brush up on your acting skills and feign mental illness
Get you out of no end of bother with the Stasi

334927 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1031 of 2284 🔗

Wouldn’t be too difficult for me, CD.
Thanks for the advice.

334893 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Hubes, 5, #1032 of 2284 🔗

Yep. Absolutely nothing changed here from Tier 3 to LD2 to Tier 4. Can’t go Curry’s for a kettle, maybe, but that’s it. And me kettle still works.

334907 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1033 of 2284 🔗

Yeh, I’m after a Facebook tv portal but it can wait and hopefully they will be cheaper later anyway.

334944 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1034 of 2284 🔗

They will trace you. Don’t add to their advertising revenue.

335078 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to bebophaircut, #1035 of 2284 🔗

Good point

334883 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Poppy, 3, #1036 of 2284 🔗

The interesting bit will be what is guidance and what is legislation. There is often a big difference…

334898 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1037 of 2284 🔗

Indeed, but the plebs take it all as gospel, or even worse, make it up for themselves.

334915 ▶▶ Suey, replying to Poppy, 3, #1038 of 2284 🔗

He’ll suddenly realise that Liverpool are on telly at 8pm, so he’ll either be very late (nearer 10pm) or bring it forward. Can’t have the bread and circuses interrupted, eh?

Although, thinking about it, Lockdown (TM) could mean no more premier league – or any other league – bread and circuses?

334956 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Poppy, 8, #1039 of 2284 🔗

Those of you with MPs who are on the right side eg Desmond Swayne need to get in touch with them and get them to demand that all the data regarding the new variant is released in to public domain asap so that Carl Heneghan etc can analyse it. If no evidence to support it affecting children more or being more transmittable can be found then pressure should be put on Hancock to explain himself.

334988 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Poppy, 3, #1040 of 2284 🔗

Hit the nail on the head. The problem is the vast majority are gullible, lazy and complacent. Anything the government and mainstream media tells them they just believe without question. It’s infuriating. If they knew the facts and came to a different conclusion, that would be one thing but they’re completely unaware of the actual situation and they just can’t be bothered doing a modicum of research to educate themselves.

335041 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Poppy, #1041 of 2284 🔗

You have indeed hit on the one word that explains why we have “failed” (so far): propaganda.

334848 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 17, #1042 of 2284 🔗

The hysterical overreaction to the virus makes me think of the driver who will run out of fuel before he gets to a petrol station so he goes faster.

334866 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #1043 of 2284 🔗

You jest but I used to know someone who said that driving faster used less fuel. When I asked how that was, he replied “because you get there quicker”.

334881 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1044 of 2284 🔗

Yes, we’ve all met em, ain’t we?

334900 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1045 of 2284 🔗

You really ought to drive backwards, because the bit in front gets there quicker than the bit that’s behind and the tank is at the back of the car, so will arrive in front, ready to be filled.

334920 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 1, #1046 of 2284 🔗

Enough Annie,Enough.
No seriously, keep em coming.

334948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1047 of 2284 🔗

SR-71 used less fuel at maximium speed (avoiding SAMs) apparently, strange things happen between Mach 3.2 and 3.5.

334942 ▶▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Annie, 2, #1048 of 2284 🔗

Actually, if you drive backwards your tank fills up.

335046 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Noumenon, 3, #1049 of 2284 🔗

and you arrive before you set off

334854 steve_w, replying to steve_w, #1050 of 2284 🔗

someone texted me a graph of the positivity rate for lots of different areas, all sharply going up about 10 days ago. we are trying to work out if its a mistake or not. its not really physically possible.

what do you think?

https://mobile.twitter.com/SurbitonSteve/status/1345769591272853506

334860 ▶▶ leggy, replying to steve_w, 1, #1051 of 2284 🔗

Probably ramped up the cycle threshold.

334895 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to steve_w, 3, #1052 of 2284 🔗

It’s on here:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19/latestinsights

Started about 6 weeks after the July 23rd masks in shops mandate started.

Possible the 2 are linked?

Masks = lower immune system = more chance your body will have “virus RNA” in it as it fights harder to keep you healthy?

334911 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 2, #1053 of 2284 🔗

It’s based on garbage data – PCR+ results. All-cause mortality against the historical baseline remains the only signal that can be trusted as guage.

335163 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to RickH, #1054 of 2284 🔗

I agree. Do you have a link for all-cause mortality rates over time Rick?

334856 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1055 of 2284 🔗

Where is the news story about the NHS protecting, public spirited hero who got a pos test, stayed home, got ill with real symptoms, eventually got better, but saved millions of lives because they stayed home? That would really feed the narrative, so why aren’t they trumpetting about it?
Cos they ain’t got it, that’s why.

334887 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1056 of 2284 🔗

Im e saved the lives of seven billion people, over and over again, by not coming into contact with them. Medal, please.

334904 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Annie, 5, #1057 of 2284 🔗

Ok, Muttley (one for our older viewers) 🙂

334913 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #1058 of 2284 🔗

YEH,YEH,YEH,YEH,EH,EH,EH
RASEN FASEN, DICK DASTARDLY.

334945 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Sam Vimes, #1059 of 2284 🔗

I’ll get you Vimes Stop!

334875 Londo Mollari, 16, #1060 of 2284 🔗

Interesting point by Neil Clark66 on Twitter. Tyranny will end when we move from the mindset of protest tot he mindset of resist.

334879 godowneasy, 17, #1061 of 2284 🔗

Given that Boris and the rest of them seem determined to create a wasteland I thought it was worth giving this image another outing. The only thing wrong with it is the date. It will be over long before 2023 if this madness continues. It would be bloody great if they could come up with some ideas that don’t involve total destruction but, so far, there’s no sign of it.

334885 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 13, #1062 of 2284 🔗

Some say that when things are at the worst for Britain, a biker will return and lead us out of the darkness…

334896 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1063 of 2284 🔗

Just please let him not be one of the Hairy ones. They’re too loud and enthusiastic.

334982 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1064 of 2284 🔗

… and woke!

334985 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1065 of 2284 🔗

I didn’t know that. Haven’t watched them for a long time.

334916 ▶▶ kev, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1066 of 2284 🔗

We got a wanker, leading us into the darkness. Need him out and soon

334932 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1067 of 2284 🔗

Steve McQueen.

335692 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to bebophaircut, #1068 of 2284 🔗

That may well be a prophetic comment you have made there. In one of the earlier videos of Reiner Fuellmich talking about the German PCR legal case he is incidentally standing in front of a framed photograph of Steve McQueen. Maybe that is symbolic. We can only hope.

335697 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to bebophaircut, #1069 of 2284 🔗

Hate to point this out but Steve McQueen was recaptured and sent back to the cooler.

334888 NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #1070 of 2284 🔗

So, 2020-haters, good riddance to 2020 tweeters – how’s that new year working out for you?

334897 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 15, #1071 of 2284 🔗

Our only way out of this is for a major country to break ranks from the ideology so that people can start asking searching questions. At the moment it’s a pseudo-virtuous race to the totalitarian bottom. There’s no way our government has the gumption to go against the prevailing wind so really it’s just America, Germany or France. Anyone else will be easily dismissed by the media.

334902 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Achilles, 4, #1072 of 2284 🔗

America no chance. Germany no chance. The French have a bit of a tradition for turning things creatively upside down – but I wouldn’t hold out much hope.

334935 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1073 of 2284 🔗

Don’t be so quick. The US isn’t a stable construct, never has been.

335055 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Noumenon, 3, #1074 of 2284 🔗

Especially at the moment.
If civil war broke out, I wouldn’t be surprised.

335298 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1075 of 2284 🔗

Japan?

334905 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Achilles, 8, #1076 of 2284 🔗

Trump.

334967 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Annie, 3, #1077 of 2284 🔗

He was the best hope. Sadly, the election was stolen and it looks like the establishment are doing everything they can to stop any sort of a legitimate investigation.

334976 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Chicot, 9, #1078 of 2284 🔗

He’s far from perfect but I’m already missing him.

335058 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to DRW, 4, #1079 of 2284 🔗

He’s not out of the picture just yet.

334930 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Achilles, 3, #1080 of 2284 🔗

Don’t wait for anybody, do it yourself.

334931 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Achilles, 6, #1081 of 2284 🔗

I have the impression that one major country has: China . They don’t come more major than the nation of the Han people. Espeially now that the USA has elected a senile gibbering idiot as its leader. Not that we in the UK can talk of course given whom we adore apparently as our leader.

334938 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mikewaite, 3, #1082 of 2284 🔗

now that the USA has elected a senile gibbering idiot as its leader.”

Two in row, and a bonus point!

They should be so lucky as to have a narcissistic, lying Tory toad like us!

334939 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to mikewaite, 2, #1083 of 2284 🔗

But the media can dismiss China as “different from us”. That will be a lot harder with France or Germany.

334974 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to mikewaite, 5, #1084 of 2284 🔗

How exactly is China going to break ranks? They’re pushing the fiction that they eliminated the virus by welding people in their homes. The West destroying themselves over this suits them down to the ground.

334908 bebophaircut, #1085 of 2284 🔗

Rolling Stones, 1967, Sitting on a fence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cJggXgsu70

334917 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1086 of 2284 🔗

Oh good. Apple just sent me a load of shit fitness apps on the day my building shut the gym.

334926 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1087 of 2284 🔗

What a coincidence:

Hugh Maselela

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdWfpOCO0uY

334923 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 14, #1088 of 2284 🔗

What are we going to get tonight?

Curfew?
All non-essential shops shut?
Furlough extended till July?
No-one allowed in your house?
All elective surgery cancelled?
All non-Covid patients sent home?
Schools, Colleges and Universities shut until further notice is a definite!

Edit: I forgot one – Army on the streets?

334934 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1089 of 2284 🔗

The problem with shutting schools is that their plan was to use them for mass testing in a couple of weeks. Schools are already asking for volunteers to help so that plan would need to be ditched.

334936 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1090 of 2284 🔗

Masks compulsory everytime you leave your home?

334940 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Chicot, 2, #1091 of 2284 🔗

Yes, thank you. Masks outside is surely a definite. 🙁

335000 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1092 of 2284 🔗

Ah well, just another place not to wear one then…

335097 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1093 of 2284 🔗

I’m exempt (wearing one will cause me ‘distress’!). F**k them.

DavidC

334971 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Chicot, 2, #1094 of 2284 🔗

Will never go out again

334979 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to DanClarke, 17, #1095 of 2284 🔗

I will and I will go out without one. Better to be fined or die on your feet than be a slave. Better a life changing fine than living like this.

334987 ▶▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #1096 of 2284 🔗

Refuse the fine and ask to go before the judge instead. If this was the de facto response to this they’d be swamped with cases

334975 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Chicot, 2, #1097 of 2284 🔗

Fucking no.

334937 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1098 of 2284 🔗

Church’s shut, weddings cancelled, takeaways closed, masks mandatory everywhere, no mixing with other households, no visits to family, or friends in Care homes and Hospitals and curfews.

334946 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PatrickF, 2, #1099 of 2284 🔗

Yes, Patrick; thanks. 🙂

I knew when I wrote my post it was going to be grossly incomplete.

335079 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to PatrickF, 5, #1100 of 2284 🔗

There’s also outdoor exercise, funerals, support bubbles, elite sport, outdoor attractions, outdoor sport for kids, childcare, dentists, elite sport 😡
I’m just going to go about life as normal as possible but this isn’t living is it.

334941 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1101 of 2284 🔗

You forgot the mask thing. As well as mandating mask wearing in more public places there will be an increased regulation for the type of mask that must be worn. Masks must consist of at least 15 layers and be completely airtight. They must include integral eye and ear coverings for added protection. Arse covering plugs will not be mandated but will be strongly advised.

334954 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1102 of 2284 🔗

They must include integral eye and ear coverings for added protection. Arse covering plugs will not be mandated but will be strongly advised.

Neither would surprise me.

335151 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to godowneasy, #1103 of 2284 🔗

And fines imposed for leaving the house without clean underwear. To make sure of compliance underwear to be worn on the outside.

(Copyright Woody Allen – “Bananas”).

334943 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1104 of 2284 🔗

Make a list of every option you can think of. Then cross off anything that makes sense… and there’s your list for tonight.

334958 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1105 of 2284 🔗

I’m going to watch The Sopranos.

334997 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Hubes, 1, #1106 of 2284 🔗

I missed The Death of Stalin over Christmas, so this may be an appropriate time for me to catch up.

335090 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1107 of 2284 🔗

Well worth watching, it was very good indeed.

DavidC

335011 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Hubes, 3, #1108 of 2284 🔗

He killed 16 Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator.” 🙂

335109 ▶▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1109 of 2284 🔗

His place looked like shit

335093 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Hubes, 1, #1110 of 2284 🔗

It’s a retirement community!!!

335282 ▶▶▶ Kevin Finnerty, replying to Hubes, 1, #1111 of 2284 🔗

…and so am I.

335233 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ceriain, #1112 of 2284 🔗

Welding the doors shut.

334952 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1113 of 2284 🔗

I posted this at about lunchtime:

The shenanigans are certainly accelerating. We used to talk about ‘Six weeks’ or ‘Christmas’ or ‘Spring’, now it’s ‘Tuesday’.

The bastard beat me to it… but that’s acceleration for you!

334989 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Sam Vimes, #1114 of 2284 🔗

That’s triplication for you (or by you) 🙂

335020 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1115 of 2284 🔗

It gave me some gyp when posting, so I pressed the button again. Just following orders, honest, guv.

334955 Sam Vimes, 6, #1116 of 2284 🔗

I posted this at about lunchtime:
The shenanigans are certainly accelerating. We used to talk about ‘Six weeks’ or ‘Christmas’ or ‘Spring’, now it’s ‘Tuesday’.
The bastard beat me to it… but that’s acceleration for you!

334960 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 24, #1117 of 2284 🔗

I’m four years older than Boris Johnson, the same height and two stones lighter. Don’t preach to me about health, you fat fuck!

335188 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1118 of 2284 🔗

About the same here, PF. And I also know that my vision deficiency is simply due to age, not ‘very plausibly due to covid’. Fat fuck – seconded.

334965 DRW, 4, #1119 of 2284 🔗

How few MPs not rubberstamping LD3? Less than the new tiering? Someone reported one opposer is already trying to crawl back into the tent.

334969 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1120 of 2284 🔗

Wonder who’s poking Johnson and Cock, Cock picture in the DM has him standing with a mask on giving the illuminati THUMBS UP signal

334983 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1121 of 2284 🔗

‘Aim your rifle and pistols and bows here’

334972 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 35, #1122 of 2284 🔗

Yesterday Johnson spoke about seeing how Tier 4 would work out and that that would be under review in due course.

Desmond Swayne complained in the HOC the other day that they (Bojo, Handjob, et all) hadn’t even bothered to see what effect the tiers had had before lumping us into a near enough full lockdown again. Days later they dumped another third of the country into Tier 4.

It’s plainly obvious that a full lockdown, and I mean full , was always the plan.

They set this up beautifully: they warned of absurd ‘case’ numbers after Xmas – they’ve created 50 thousand plus a day for the last week; they count anyone who goes into hospital as a Covid patient; they include patients already in hospital as ‘admitted with Covid’ days, sometimes weeks after they actually went into hospital.

This is not incompetence; this was planned.

334973 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1123 of 2284 🔗

I agree.

334998 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1124 of 2284 🔗

Yes and they didn’t even need to use the pretext of having allowed everyone 5 days with reduced restrictions over Xmas. Enough muppets got tested that they were able to manufacture the increase in cases to justify National Lockdown 3 even though Xmas and New Year was cancelled.

They have already telegraphed their intentions for this lockdown as well. Everything put in place today will last until the summer (and will be regularly added to as we progress).

335010 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1125 of 2284 🔗

Agreed- plus Pantsdown and other SAG goons had been screaming for it again. The whole “cases” series is well dodgy but blanket 29/30 Dec jump especially, even for its standards.

335014 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1126 of 2284 🔗

Yet we’re the ones with “blood” on our hands ….

335047 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1127 of 2284 🔗

Boris stated sometime around late autumn that we wouldn’t be back to normal until September this year.
Furlough scheme has been extended until April.

Draw your own conclusions.

They’re never going to let us out.

335053 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to LMS2, 4, #1128 of 2284 🔗

It’s never been up to them. I go out when I choose.

335052 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ceriain, -4, #1129 of 2284 🔗

It is incompetence.

Clearly there is planning that goes into a lot of this, but that doesn’t make them competent unless you think their plans are worthwhile.

335085 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1130 of 2284 🔗

Yep. IMO there is a document somewhere with the timeline all mapped out.

334980 l835, 4, #1131 of 2284 🔗

The waste of space that is Bishop Gregory of St Asaph can’t wait for drakeford to do something, and has suspended all worship in the diocese.

334990 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 5, #1132 of 2284 🔗

Reports of healthy 41 year old health worker dying 2 days after vaccine in Portugal.

334993 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to pvenkman, 1, #1133 of 2284 🔗

Shhhh….

335005 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to pvenkman, #1134 of 2284 🔗

Could you post a link?

335043 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1135 of 2284 🔗

Portuguese health worker, 41, dies two days after getting the Pfizer covid vaccine as her father says he ‘wants answers’
Sonia Acevedo suffered a ‘sudden death’ on New Year’s Day 48 hours after jab
The 41-year-old mother-of-two worked in paediatrics at a hospital in Porto
Ms Acevedo had not suffered any adverse side-effects after being vaccinated
An autopsy is expected to take place either today or tomorrow

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9111311/Portuguese-health-worker-41-dies-two-days-getting-Pfizer-covid-vaccine.html

335660 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to LMS2, #1136 of 2284 🔗

As you allude to, the article says that “Ms A had not suffered adverse side effects after being vaccinated”. That may be, but only if one doesn’t regard sudden death two days after vaccination to possibly be “an adverse side effect after being vaccinated”.

It amazes me how many vaccine advocates seem to think that side effects will only occur immediately after vaccination. As far as I’m concerned anyone who has been vaccinated with any of these covid19 vaccines may well have a ticking time bomb inside them for the next ten years.

334991 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 14, #1137 of 2284 🔗

Well I am extremely positive about the situation…
flu, pneumonia, and all other none covid respiratory illness have been as good as defeated – deaths from heart attacks, strokes, cancer, all going down dramatically – all thanks to covid!!

Obviously there are many deaths being attributed to covid, but FFS – get in the real world – we don’t live for ever!

335012 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Major Panic, 13, #1138 of 2284 🔗

Apparently, the official explanation for the virtual disappearance of flu is face masks and social distancing. But if these measures are so effective at preventing transmission of the flu virus, why do they not prevent the transmission of the coronavirus?

335015 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1139 of 2284 🔗

The only paper that shows some effect of masks on stopping coronaviruses is the Hong Kong paper. It shows that masks have no effect on flu. The CDC also published trials on that and again masks have no effect on flu. Social distancing exists only in the head of theorists.

But this is not about facts. It’s about what will it take to break the cult?

335023 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mhcp, 8, #1140 of 2284 🔗

I wasn’t intending to suggest that either face masks or social distancing are effective in preventing the transmission of viruses. They aren’t. I was drawing attention to the blatant pseudoscience and dishonesty of the official narrative.

335082 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Steve Hayes, #1141 of 2284 🔗

Quite!

DavidC

334995 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 15, #1142 of 2284 🔗

If Mp’s vote this through, they must be thinking they wont need votes now to keep their job

335002 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1143 of 2284 🔗

My MP is a wealthy lockdown fanatic, I can’t see anything stoping her voting for the destruction of the country, sure she has her portfolio well positioned based on inside knowledge.

335003 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DanClarke, 9, #1144 of 2284 🔗

The government cancelled elections last year. Why would they bother to hold elections this year?

335356 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Steve Hayes, #1145 of 2284 🔗

Yes, I have been wondering about this today. I am a politics lecturer in Scotland and have been thinking about whether Bozo might try to cancel all UK elections in May, including ours for the Scottish Parliament, which the SNP is likely to perform very well in and claim a mandate for a second referendum on independence. This is why I would not expect our Dear Leader, Sturgeon, to change anything apart from perhaps making the election a postal-only vote.

Control of elections was given over to Holyrood a few years ago, but I suppose the UK Parliament could pass new legislation by-passing this, since it is still constitutionally sovereign. It would be quite brazen if Bozo did this, but I wouldn’t put it past him. We shall see.

335028 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DanClarke, 11, #1146 of 2284 🔗

Of course they’ll vote it through.

Starmer and everyone else on that side of the house want more lockdown.

As for the Tory side: as Darryl says, all the really wealthy ones don’t give a fuck (they never did); the CRG and other ‘waverers’ will get another Whitty/Van Tam presentation with loads of made up numbers given to them tonight – that’s what Johnson usually serves up to them the night before a vote.

334996 Darryl, 4, #1147 of 2284 🔗

Dr Vernon Coleman on good form attacking the state disinformation outlet that wikipedia has become. https://brandnewtube.com/watch/how-wikipedia-is-used-as-a-weapon_ZU57bT6PBA1kmlz.html

334999 james007, replying to james007, 41, #1148 of 2284 🔗

The memories of the March lockdown are still very painful. When the regime closed society down, our 3yr old son who has autism – spent hours just laying on the floor. He would list the things that were shut saying things like “no preschool, is closed” repeating “is closed” over and over again. He would also walk round and round in circles making repetitive noises. Our preschool was closed. Another school a mile away would not consider him ‘vulnerable’ as he did not yet have a diagnosis. After a couple of weeks he stopped talking all together.
Since November, he has recovered some speech. However he still have no formal diagnosis as the waiting lists are so long now. Must be hundreds in the same situation.

Meanwhile the mean number of deaths of Covid in our constituency for December was 0.36 per day (12), and the average number of daily hospital admissions per day was 6.26.

335018 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to james007, 36, #1149 of 2284 🔗

That’s heartbreaking. I really feel for you and your family.
My then 11 yr old suffered in March, his behaviour deteriorated so badly I even rang Samaritans at one point as he was saying he would jump out of his bedroom window (they didn’t answer the phone) I put it down to part hormones and part lockdown effects at the time. I was at my wits end and can’t even bear to think about how he was. It was a really bad period. Eventually he went back to school and improved no end. The more time goes on the more I realise it was the lockdown completely. This is so cruel to children. Their childhood is short relative to adulthood. It makes my blood boil all of these effects on children.

335377 ▶▶▶ james007, replying to Sodastream, 1, #1150 of 2284 🔗

I suppose the samaritans are very busy? I think to see a child suffer, is a terrible burden. Even worse to feel like you cannot control or remedy. I hope you are in a much better situation, and that we do not see widespread closures again.
I was pleased that the head of Ofsted reported on the declined skills of children and young people and I wish it had more attention.
I think babys will also be affected, I expect many babys born in lockdown will be delayed in learning social, physical and interactive skills.

335086 ▶▶ jennybean, replying to james007, 5, #1151 of 2284 🔗

My 5yo is autistic in reception in specialist school, I’m really hoping they can stay open for him. I’m just so angry and scared at moment, worried they’ll try and jab my 13yo and what effect it’ll have on my youngest. I’m just so sad the kids have to be exposed to this c**p

335367 ▶▶▶ james007, replying to jennybean, #1152 of 2284 🔗

Me too. Did specialist schools close last time? It would be insane to close them, I really hope they don’t.
We are hoping to get a place in a specialist school for September.

335358 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to james007, 1, #1153 of 2284 🔗

That makes both sad and angry. What does your MP have to say for her/himself?

335001 Mark, replying to Mark, 10, #1154 of 2284 🔗

Seems we are approaching another of those crunch moments again, when the long awaited apocalypse is finally said to be imminent (it’s the huge rise in test positivity I think that has them all excited this time).

Those who got excited by a few sceptic-like noises from the bootlicking Blairite interventionist Dan Hodges a while back might want to take note of his position now:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1346112662736941056

In the next couple of weeks we are going to find out the hard way no group of activists has ever been as spectacularly, irredeemably, dangerously wrong as the Winter 2020-2021 Lockdown-Sceptics. I hope they at least have the humility and humanity to acknowledge their error .

335004 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark, 14, #1155 of 2284 🔗

I have noted his position. He’s gone mad. Unfortunately I think many have gone mad with him.

I’m encouraged though by the fact that the most-liked comments to that post by far are people telling him he’s wrong.

335013 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark, 7, #1156 of 2284 🔗

Also, considering that two weeks ago he was saying that lockdowns were a failure, his high-horse pompous Twitter speak now is singularly lacking in humility or humanity.

I’ve retuned my Twitter echo chamber to Laura Perrins.

335032 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #1157 of 2284 🔗

My assumption is that someone in the establishment he worships and brown-noses to at every opportunity has leaked to him some “evidence” that the government is seeing as confirmation that the hospital cases really are about to go stratospheric, and so he’s positioning himself to be on the right side of what he now thinks will be the political “winners”.

Best bet seems to be the high test positivity numbers, probably combined with some rising hospitalisation trends. We might get to hear some of it at tonight’s clown show, to justify whatever new nonsense they have in mind.

Only time will tell how much the doomsayers will be able to paint events as vindication this time.

335112 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark, 9, #1158 of 2284 🔗

Even if the hospitals are full of dying children, which they aren’t, destroying the country is the wrong way of dealing with it. We are witnessing national suicide. It’s unprecedented in world history.

335203 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1159 of 2284 🔗

If I lose my job again during this lockdown I’m staying on the f*****g dole. Can’t be bothered with all this uncertainty, all the lies etc. The whole thing was due to be reviewed on 18th January 2021. So, since there is no dangerous variant just a pack of lies (we seem to be the only country in the world who has this alleged variant). Parliament has been reconvened for Wednesday. Starmer and Labour will make sure this gets through. Idiots. WTF do they care about people’s jobs.

335222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1160 of 2284 🔗

The whole thing was due to be reviewed on 18th January 2021.

If only there hadn’t been such a badly timed surge in test positivity just as we are approaching review time, eh?

335332 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1161 of 2284 🔗

It really is national suicide. Even after months of this shitshow, I still can’t believe what I am seeing. The world’s gone mad.

335016 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mark, 17, #1162 of 2284 🔗

This prick can go to hell with his phoney emotive appeals based on lies. What he is supporting is the end of the UK as a free society and a first world nation, plain and simple, which will fuck at least the next two generations.

Sadly this post typifies the kind of deranged attacks we are going to have to get used to. Sceptics are to be blamed for everything that goes wrong, even though we have had absolutely no influence on any policy decision throughout the entire shitshow.

335019 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Mark, 11, #1163 of 2284 🔗

This is also a strange quirk that has come out of all this.

Every action taken has led us to this point. Yet somehow it is actions not taken that are to blame.

335030 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Mark, 25, #1164 of 2284 🔗

These people are so deranged that they completely miss a key aspect of lockdown sceptiscm for many of us.

Sure, we know that they don’t work.

We also know that COVID is not dangerous for the vast majority of the population.

But even if they did work, and even if COVID was potentially dangerous the vast majority of this population, this violation of our civil liberties and state enforced destruction of our economy is completely unacceptable. I’m just on a completely different wavelength to people like him.

335037 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #1165 of 2284 🔗

Indeed. You’re a human being. This “Dan Hodges” is a demon.

335056 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to Mark, 4, #1166 of 2284 🔗

So he’s now happy to see the victims of collateral damage thrown under a bus?

335075 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Mark, 2, #1167 of 2284 🔗

Always suspect ever since his days ‘reporting’ on the Telegraph.

Wouldn’t be surprised if he has links with the intelligence services either.

335173 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mark, 2, #1168 of 2284 🔗

Yes indeed, the bastards running this hoax are getting us ready for their extreme measures. No doubt, they will have upped the cycles on the PCR test and probably they will have released another manufactured strain, just to keep the pot boiling. We are likely being primed up for genocide, brought to us by vaccines, courtesy of Bill Gates and our corrupt government.

335007 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 36, #1169 of 2284 🔗

I was thinking last night about Bob (Moran) and his wonderful cartoons throughtout all this. I also found myself thinking about some of the other cartoonists, now, and in the past, who drew cartoons that, while funny and satirical, could also be seen as quite sinister.

I got in my head a vision of a future ‘cartoon’: it was two people standing together getting ready to be loaded into a cattle truck (one of VanTam’s trains?) to be taken to (a camp?) who knows where. One of these people was a full on believer, the other was one of us. The conversation between the two was short:

Believer says to sceptic, “But I did everything I was told, I followed all their rules; why am I here?”

Sceptic replies, “Because you did everything you were told, you followed all their rules. That’s why we’re both here!”

Miserable thought, sorry. 🙁

335042 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1170 of 2284 🔗

Your idea is perfect. Any takers with artistic skills (not me)?

335009 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 27, #1171 of 2284 🔗

Imagine if lockdowns were not an option under any circumstances.

Do you think that they’d sit around twiddling their thumbs saying ah well without lockdowns we have nothing so no point trying.

Or would they come up with an alternative solution?

335031 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1172 of 2284 🔗

Excellent point

335065 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #1173 of 2284 🔗

I’ve asked this before, what would they do if they were faced with a real pandemic instead of a minor bat flu.

335072 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to dhpaul, 5, #1174 of 2284 🔗

Well, we’re being primed for something with the WHO saying ‘This isn’t the big one’.

DavidC

335119 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to DavidC, 6, #1175 of 2284 🔗

Like Gates and his smirking “theyll notice the next one”.

335154 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to DavidC, 3, #1176 of 2284 🔗

We’re being primed to allow ourselves to be injected with any one of the Gates’s vaccines. Now that really will be the “big one” for those who have been foolish enough to roll up their sleeve for Bill.

335192 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to dhpaul, 1, #1177 of 2284 🔗

Well, the NHS would be totally shut down and we would have to fend for ourselves by the looks of things.

335146 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nobody2021, #1178 of 2284 🔗

A no lockdown (or lockdowns by any other name) policy is of course, the alternative and correct solution.

335605 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Nobody2021, #1179 of 2284 🔗

Presumably they would have to advise and promote a good health regime to boost natural immunity and make GPs do their job of prescribing recognised prophylactic or therapeutic treatments early on for vulnerable people. ‘Unfortunately’, none of these effective measures bring in vast sums of money for ‘Big Pharma’ and their shareholders.

335022 mj, 3, #1180 of 2284 🔗

today on BBC Radio 4 . How to Vaccinate the World
Larry Brilliant’s been warning about the dangers of a pandemic for years. Tim Harford talks him about how the world has handled the pandemic of 2020, and his hope for 2021.

Larry Brilliant an epidemiologist , technology patent holder, has been the CEO of public companies and venture backed start-ups. He was the inaugural Executive Director of Google.org the charitable arm of Google established in 2005, and the first CEO of Skoll Global Threats Fund, established in 2009 by eBay founder Jeff Skoll to address climate change, pandemics, water security, nuclear proliferation, and conflict in the Middle East. Brilliant currently serves as the Chairman of the Board of Ending Pandemics, and is also on the boards of the Skoll Foundation, Salesforce.org, The Seva Foundation, and Dharma Platform. also close friend of Steve Jobs .. And he and his wife worked with WHO (him for 10 years)

mmm a lot of fingers in pies with the big tech and WHO

335024 Sam Vimes, 3, #1181 of 2284 🔗

Been re-watching The Unit, a Delta Force type series, with Dennis Haysbert, it’s good stuff. Last ep I watched was entitled ‘Into Hell’…

335029 Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 5, #1182 of 2284 🔗

The death by date of death has changed dramatically (upwards) in the last few days:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

Have you been saving the figures Cerian as they have definitely been drastically changed of late?

335044 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 9, #1183 of 2284 🔗

Sorry, Sarigan. I’m as baffled by that rise as I think we all are here.

The explanation for that huge jump is simply that lots of people got themselves tested before visiting people at New Year. That’s what we will be told anyway.

The problem with that explanation is that the same thing should have happened before Christmas, but didn’t.

I think they are taking advantage of the delays in processing tests over the Christmas period and bundling them all together like this to scare people, and to get the MSM to scare people even more.

Personally, I don’t believe any of these numbers; they’re simply too ridiculous to be credible, in my opinion. Problem is, we can’t prove them to be lies.

335070 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1184 of 2284 🔗

I think they are taking advantage of the delays in processing tests over the Christmas period and bundling them all together like this to scare people, and to get the MSM to scare people even more.

This, notice how they use recorded and reported. Doesn’t mean they died on Monday, they were just reported on Monday.

On Monday, the UK recorded more than 50,000 new confirmed Covid cases for the seventh day in a row.
A further 58,784 cases and an additional 407 deaths within 28 days of a positive test result were reported .

335189 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Wolver, 2, #1185 of 2284 🔗

They are simply telling bigger lies and the now utterly corrupted NHS is a major part of the problem.

335081 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to Ceriain, #1186 of 2284 🔗

Not available on Wayback either.

335050 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 5, #1187 of 2284 🔗

If there is a jump in deaths, could the vaccine be one of the causes? Enough have received it for this to have already started taking its toll amongst the vulnerable.

335190 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Richard O, 1, #1188 of 2284 🔗

You know, you might have something there.

335202 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Richard O, 2, #1189 of 2284 🔗

The vaccines are likely harmful. Though some will die quickly, most deaths will be spread over the the year or so following injection. Too many dying too soon, would bring the genocidal vaccination programs to a premature halt.

335212 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Richard O, 1, #1190 of 2284 🔗

Practically all those dying, supposedly of Covid-19, will have have had a flu shot in autumn. Even more worrying is the super flu shot they give to the very old and some younger people who are chronically ill.

335069 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 3, #1191 of 2284 🔗

It’s called the winter flu season.

DavidC

335152 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), #1192 of 2284 🔗

the last date quoted is 30.12.

335033 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #1193 of 2284 🔗

Will The Big Fat Controller be declaring all sceptics enemies of the people and to be executed immediately to save grannies lives?

335049 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Smelly Melly, #1194 of 2284 🔗

We do all have blood on our hands… Caught red handed some might say…

335034 Achilles, 37, #1195 of 2284 🔗

Just been checking the death counts from 2010-2019 and every year except one the deaths per week peaked either in the first or second full week of January. Obviously I’m ignoring 2020 as the current peak was In April when they murdered the people in care homes and people needing acute hospital care, etc. However I am going to use this to make a prediction:-

I hereby predict that lockdown or no lockdown, masks or no masks, tiers or no tiers, T&T or no T&T, testing or no testing, vaccine or no vaccine the winter weekly death rate will have peaked by 16th January. All I needed for this forecast was an excel extract from the ONS, a max formula and an independently functioning brain.

Let’s wait and see…

335039 Nobody2021, 4, #1196 of 2284 🔗

The Dice Man is a book by Luke Rhinehart where the main character decides to live his life based on the outcome of rolling a die.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dice_Man

My take from the book was that many of the decisions we make in life are so unimportant that we’d be as well to roll a die to determine what we should do.

However there is also a theme of self determination or control. In making choices rather than subjecting ourselves to the random roll of a die we are in control.

This raises an interesting point with regard to how we react to this virus. In essence we have given up control to the semi-randomness of how this virus spreads. Actions taken are solely determined by whatever the numbers tell us. If they are high or increasing we must take stronger measures.

The illusion of control is such that we believe that our actions are determining the progress of this virus whereas it is actually the progress of the virus, essentially rolling a die, that is determining our actions.

335045 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 2, #1197 of 2284 🔗

For anyone interested in the mind set of the ‘just following orders’ types who will be happily going around enforcing the latest diktats from the Johnson regime – Mark Passio is an interesting speaker, much more challenging than watching/listening to BBC spoon fed propaganda.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vgRjTTMTOFjn/

335059 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, 1, #1198 of 2284 🔗

I’ve been following Passio’s work for years. Not for the faint hearted or the close-minded.

335111 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, 1, #1199 of 2284 🔗

He certainly wouldn’t get within a million miles of a mainstream TV or radio network! A refreshing alternative to the MSM.

335060 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 23, #1200 of 2284 🔗

Will sadly have to miss Boris Ceaușescu’s address later for fear of having no TV left by the time it ends.

335062 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to nocheesegromit, 7, #1201 of 2284 🔗

Sadlimiss

335088 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to nocheesegromit, 8, #1202 of 2284 🔗

I’m not watching it or I’ll explode.

335061 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1203 of 2284 🔗
335092 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1204 of 2284 🔗

Jabs R Us.

335063 BarnsleyBoy, replying to BarnsleyBoy, 37, #1205 of 2284 🔗

Eat. Shit. Sleep. Repeat. The mantra of 2021 – no theatre, no concerts, no museums, no pubs, no restaurants, no cinemas, no gyms, no meeting new friends and old ones. No work drinks, no parties. No Life.

335139 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to BarnsleyBoy, 4, #1206 of 2284 🔗

But you will be happy.

335223 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #1207 of 2284 🔗

…and own nothing by 2030.

335182 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to BarnsleyBoy, 3, #1208 of 2284 🔗

Life in China, Russia, North Korea and other countries that are condemned in this country are far freer than we are.

335240 ▶▶ DRW, replying to BarnsleyBoy, 3, #1209 of 2284 🔗

And the worst bit? Those who never had one before feel validated that their miserable existence is now supposedly virtuous.

335064 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 12, #1210 of 2284 🔗

A pre-print of a research project in Germany concerning the wearing of masks by children:

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-124394/v1

Results: not good.

335197 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to rockoman, 3, #1211 of 2284 🔗

Thanks for this, more good evidence.

‘irritability, headache, difficulty concentrating, malaise, impaired learning and drowsiness or fatigue’

Today we saw a second blue-light ambulance being driven at speed through narrow streets by a driver in a face-nappy. But of course they will have done a risk assessment for this, won’t they?

Shortly afterwards, we witnessed a spectacular piece of dangerous driving by an old woman wearing a nappy (keeping herself safe!) She did a U-turn in a busy street, mounting the pavement almost up to the doorway of a shop on a corner, backed up and then mounted the curve again to lurch off. We’re no snitchers but I actually wish we’d taken her number. MW

335067 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 33, #1212 of 2284 🔗

I think Blackadder goes forth is a good analogy of what we’re going through.

The government and media are field Marshall Haig and General Melchett. They just carry out the same insane plans of action time after time with the end result always being thousands of their troops getting killed.

We are Blackadder and are fully aware of the absurdity of it all and trying futility to ignore it and find any way possible to get out of it.

George and Baldrick are the general public. Too stupid to see what is going on and that they are inevitably going to die as a result of something they support.

Captain Darling is like the celebrities, doesn’t care as it doesn’t impact him. So he endorses all the ridiculous ideas that result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of men.

Only at the end (when it’s too late) are Blackadder, George, Baldrick and Captain Darling in unanimous agreement on it all.

335195 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Hubes, 8, #1213 of 2284 🔗

Maybe it’s over; the Great Lockdown of March 2020 – Jan 2021?

335242 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1214 of 2284 🔗

Don’t forget your stick. Wouldn’t want to face a machine gun without one of those.

335285 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Hubes, 3, #1215 of 2284 🔗

Good luck, everyone…

335305 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Hubes, 2, #1216 of 2284 🔗

Like the analogy. Who are SAGE?

335068 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 22, #1217 of 2284 🔗

From The Conservative Woman:

https://twitter.com/KathyConWom/status/1346026220530634758

I have no idea why specifically this morning #SackWhitty is trending, but I’m joining in.

They all need to go.

335176 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1218 of 2284 🔗

I hope Unbalanced and Pantsdown too.

335073 John P, replying to John P, 20, #1219 of 2284 🔗

Furious again.

What fucking difference does it make whether the government makes plans or not?

Does the ability to make plans make you competent?

Does it?

I don’t think it does. Not unless your plans are beneficial and rational. Which Johnson’s clearly are not.

And just because they are incompetent that doesn’t make them any less culpable.

Some people here seem to think (I can only surmise) that if they agreed that this village idiot of a government were incompetent that would somehow let them off.

IT DOESN’T. Notwithstanding their incompetency they nevertheless need to answer for their crimes!

335094 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to John P, 25, #1220 of 2284 🔗

Johnson is about to commit his greatest crime yet on national TV this evening. Ordering another national lockdown when it is painfully obvious from the government’s own statistics that this is completely ineffective in controlling the virus and inflicts catastrophic damage on society and the economy. Unforgiveable.

335107 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Richard O, 13, #1221 of 2284 🔗

We’ve been in effective total lockdown since the first one (‘It’s only for three weeks to flatten the curve’). There were 5 original tiers with tier 1 being back to near normality. Then the new three tier system was put in place with the new tier 1 being almost the equivalent of the original tier 3. And now, from having a the new 3 tiers, there’s been another one added and soon ‘new’ tier 5. Absolute madness.

DavidC

335130 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to DavidC, 8, #1222 of 2284 🔗

Can you hear the ratchet turning?

335108 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to John P, 14, #1223 of 2284 🔗

It is clearly a government of village idiots, but it is a bunch of idiots, who are in bed with Bill Gates and are part of his masterplan to rid the planet of its human cargo. The clown Johnson and his motley bunch are indeed highly culpable, as their actions have already cost tens of thousands of lives, mostly but not exclusively the elderly. The damage so far, bad as it is, will pale into insignificance, when compared to the death toll that will be wrought by Gates’s intentionally genocidal “vaccines” now being pushed on us, by the hapless Johnson and the brain-dead Hancock.

335074 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 15, #1224 of 2284 🔗

Just finished reading this. Nothing new but well collated and written. Also gives the German perspective. Their ‘leaders’ are as corrupt and incompetent as ours.

335083 ▶▶ Mark, replying to eastender53, 1, #1225 of 2284 🔗

Nothing new

In fairness to the authors, it was published back in September…

335114 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Mark, 1, #1226 of 2284 🔗

I know. I got it for Christmas. Print will always lag broadcast media but it has some interesting snippets.

335076 p02099003, replying to p02099003, #1227 of 2284 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52634739 NHS on point of being overwhelmed

335087 ▶▶ Mark, replying to p02099003, 5, #1228 of 2284 🔗

Have they stopped their staff skiving off for “positive test results” and stopped making their service grossly inefficient by silly distancing measures, this time?

335105 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #1229 of 2284 🔗

staff skiving off for “positive test results”

Not my experience of the majority of staff in the NHS at all.

335158 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 11, #1230 of 2284 🔗

Doesn’t need to be a majority. A few days back it was suggested that the pressure on NHS capacity was due to covid-related staff absences (isolation requirements following positive tests, in large part) and inefficiency introduced by panic distancing measures. Now it’s claimed it’s mostly the latter, but I don’t think anybody’s claiming the former plays no part.

And before you assert that it’s not NHS staff’s fault if they are forced to “self-isolate”, we have been deluged by propaganda from NHS staff from doctors to nurses and other healthcare workers pushing panic upon us all, so a large proportion of them, a least, seem pretty enthusiastically complicit.

You might be determined to see them as angels, but they aren’t. They’re just people doing jobs, some better than others.

335170 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to RickH, 7, #1231 of 2284 🔗

Ohh it is mine. Sick leave in the NHS has always been extremely high and not due to sickness either but often to laziness. They are having it nice and easy at the moment that’s how they like it. Saves having to deal with pesky patients.

335080 Mark, replying to Mark, 10, #1232 of 2284 🔗

When Old Bailey judges are more liberal and in favour of freedom of the press than journalists then you know you are in trouble

Peter Hitchens pointing again at the moribund state of our press and media, and reminding us that its subservience to the establishment’s coronapanic propaganda drive is by no means an isolated issue.

Too many of those staffing our media are woke, anti-liberal establishment-worshippers (“liberal” here is used in the same sense Hitchens used it, the English sense of anti-authoritarian rather than the US sense of socialist), who have followed the dishonest state line on interventionist wars of choice, on pc “hate speech” censorship and repression, and now on the coronapanic.

This combines well with the Unherd interview of Glenn Greenwald that I linked here yesterday:

Glenn Greenwald: Big Tech is censoring Covid debate

335131 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, -3, #1233 of 2284 🔗

Here we go again : forcing a new political situation into the battered and tattered old suitcase of ‘politics for noddies’.

335135 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 5, #1234 of 2284 🔗

Funny how it’s “forcing a new political situation etc” when it’s pointing out something you don’t like, but you have no problem regularly insisting the coronapanic is “driven by right-wingers in government”.

It’s almost as though you were a hypocrite, when it comes to your particular 1980s era political obsession.

335091 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #1235 of 2284 🔗

There’s rumours Boris’ tier 5 bans meeting a friend or lover even outdoors…

335116 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to chaos, 9, #1236 of 2284 🔗

That will be ignored entirely by me.

335118 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to chaos, 6, #1237 of 2284 🔗

in that case police will be stepping up patrols around Brompton cemetery.

335138 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 3, #1238 of 2284 🔗

Not that I am taking any notice but I thought that was already banned. Or is he proposing to remove support bubbles too?

335219 ▶▶▶ jayp, replying to Julian, 7, #1239 of 2284 🔗

He can piss off if he thinks i’m sitting here on my own for 2 months when I have Grandchildren to hug .

335095 chaos, 4, #1240 of 2284 🔗

Wards full of children in intensive care. If only that were true. Now then now then. Jingle jangle. AaaAGhaaAAAghgh.

335100 rexmantle, #1241 of 2284 🔗

“My—This all sounds grim.”

https://usquiss.com/masters-of-beasts/

335102 leggy, 2, #1243 of 2284 🔗

This video is 7 years old but it’s never been more relevant. I defy anyone to watch this and still claim that what the world is experiencing is incompetence in the face of a public health issue.

Montage of top NWO quotes.

https://youtu.be/0lis0f1AI0Y

335104 NickR, replying to NickR, 5, #1244 of 2284 🔗

For those of you with an interest in some dispassionate data take a look at the Euromomo chart that shows excess deaths.
Last week I commented that Wales had disappeared from the list of countries, well good news, Wales is back but Scotland & NI are back.
But theodd thing is that deaths in Wales are significantly below the expected level & deaths in England are at the average level. If the BBC hadn’t told you there was pandemic going on you wouldn’t have guessed!
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

335115 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to NickR, 1, #1245 of 2284 🔗

Wales is back on the graphs but not on the maps, and England has no excess deaths.

335127 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 5, #1246 of 2284 🔗

Problem : This has been the case for six months. And it makes f. all difference to the continued fantastical impositions. Most people are blissfully (?) ignorant.

335186 ▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to RickH, 1, #1247 of 2284 🔗

Blissfully working from home mostly or enjoying some kind of ‘key worker’ in a factory status….Or just plain thick.

335200 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to shorthand, 4, #1248 of 2284 🔗

Thick. There’s a very broad base to the intelligence pyramid.

335132 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to NickR, 8, #1249 of 2284 🔗

I offered to send a friend of mine data and figures at the end of last week when I disagreed with his spouting BBC site opinions. He refused point blank and told me I was talking bullshit…

DavidC

335184 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DavidC, #1250 of 2284 🔗

See previous discussions here about people not wanting to risk being persuaded if it risks them becoming associated with socially unacceptable positions. And as I wrote myself, imagine someone you know told you he could “prove” some explicitly racist position by sending you the data. How would you respond? If you are like most people you would respond exactly as your friend did here.

335312 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Mark, #1251 of 2284 🔗

I would most definitely look at the data. My mind isn’t that closed.

DavidC

335357 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DavidC, 1, #1252 of 2284 🔗

Maybe so, in which case the illustration is no good for you but the vast majority wouldn’t, even I suspect amongst LSers.

335187 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to DavidC, 3, #1253 of 2284 🔗

My family can be like that with opposing views, “Oh that’s just the internet” because everything is inferior compared to dear old Aunty Beeb’s endless wisdom, apparently.

335245 ▶▶ Richard Crooks, replying to NickR, 2, #1254 of 2284 🔗

NickR, dispationately, I would suggest that England is experiencing a “substantial increase” over the baseline from week 45 to 50. Week 51 data onwards is not yet complete. This is not an “average level”.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

I like your idea to look at the data dispationately, but then you spoil it by stating a falsehood in your analysis.

What is really interesting is to look at excess mortality by place of occurance. According to the ONS data, 57% more people in England and Wales are dying at home in 2020 than the average of the previous 5 years. These are NOT Covid-19 deaths (ONS report in September). That is over 38,000 people and is due to our country’s response.

335276 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard Crooks, #1255 of 2284 🔗

England is experiencing a “substantial increase” over the baseline from week 45 to 50 . “

That’s indeed what the “z score” means, but I note that during the period you mention the z score rose from 5.68 to 6.67. In 2017/18 and 2016/17 the z score peaked at 9.13 and 6.88 respectively (admittedly a couple of weeks later). So it doesn’t seem that unusual at this time of year for there to be substantial deviation from the model. (Not 2018/19, hence “dry tinder” theories.)

It will be interesting and important to see if the deaths continue to rise to higher peaks than the previous years’ peaks.

As you rightly say, causes of the deaths is going to be key as well.

335302 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Richard Crooks, 1, #1256 of 2284 🔗

You’re right, the unspoken calamity are the deaths of people at home, too terrified to seek hospital treatment. My point about the recent deaths is that by comparison to the spring they’re not especially noteworthy & certainly not of ‘pandemic’ proportion. There are fewer people in hospital than last year & fewer dying in hospital than last year. The scandal is that we’re short of hospital staff because too many have been sent home not because we have too many patients.

335561 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard Crooks, 1, #1257 of 2284 🔗

Dispassionately – wrong.

The pattern has to be seen in context of the usual rise for this time of year.

Currently, all-cause mortality (England and Wales – population corrected) is running well within normal limits for the quarter century (around the average).

The pattern for the weeks 47-51 is actually mainly downward, with an unremarkable uptick in the final week :

12,535 12,456 12,303 12,292 13,011

There’s enough hysteria. Don’t add to it.

335117 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 25, #1258 of 2284 🔗

This is an interview with a Dutch lawyer who took the State to Hague Int Court, as the State required his wife and family having a neg PCR test for entering Netherlands. Won on two accounts, PCR cannot be forced and entry to your home country cannot be stopped by any means at all. Very quick verdict.Seems important for everyone.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1346026750862647297

12min English. An important legal precedent. State can’t force a medical test on you, esp an unreliable test, or stop you returning to home country. Be safe as well.

335120 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1259 of 2284 🔗

Unfortunately, this is dependent on states acting legally in terms of international law.

335159 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to swedenborg, #1260 of 2284 🔗

Good to know that.

335166 ▶▶ Mark, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1261 of 2284 🔗

Sounds like the LSer yesterday who reported he was forced under protest to get a test before being given treatment in hospital might well have a case. Sorry, can’t recall who it was, but if you read this you know who you are…..

335201 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mark, 1, #1262 of 2284 🔗

If you consent under protest it means that you do not consent to the particular part of the procedure being done. So you consent to get your hip fixed but not to you being deemed a Covid patient if a test, that you did not ask for, says you are.

This is going to become more critical as the SI has now changed where treatment for Covid and “suspected Covid” patients is indemnified. But what if you were swabbed and labelled as Covid when you were symptomless and did not have Covid (apart from in a noisy test) and then your treatment was a balls up?

Previously you can file for malpractice. Now?

That’s a very handy Get Out Of Jail Free Card.

335230 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mhcp, #1263 of 2284 🔗

It was treatment for a broken hip the LSer in question was in for, wasn’t it? Not sure if you used that example because you remembered the post or by chance.

335122 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 15, #1264 of 2284 🔗

Repeating this tweet verbatim for its comment on LOCKDOWN:

https://twitter.com/MinistryDissent/status/1346131005183295494

Remember Folks “It wasn’t real Socialism”

This is where we are now at with the Bedwetters.

“THE LAST 2 WERE NOT REAL LOCKDOWNS”

 #SackWhitty

335133 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1265 of 2284 🔗

Compared to The Philippines, Panama, Argentina, Peru, France, Spain and China (to name but a few) all the lockdowns in the UK have thus far been mild, so this statement is true. There is plenty of latitude for the state to increase the pressure.

335134 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 7, #1266 of 2284 🔗

Indeed, and they all worked so well….

335137 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 2, #1267 of 2284 🔗

If the justification for lockdown is indeed lockdown, then they worked a treat.

335185 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Richard O, 4, #1268 of 2284 🔗

The Philippines lockdown was not that bad. They had tighter restrictions but now most of these are gone. Most of islands have opened up. I have family there.

I think what you are referring to is the oft mis-quoted president Duterte (or Digong). He said that if there were riots caused by people panic buying and if the police were being threatened they could shoot. That was turned into “Shoot people not obeying lockdown rules”. Not quite the same thing.

335123 chaos, 8, #1269 of 2284 🔗

ssccciii.. fiizzz…

I am here from the future.. 3 months into the future.. ffiiizzz… click…

In tier7.. we are no longer allowed to masturbate.. my balls feel a little achey..

fiiizzz.. click.. help. dont send nudes.

335124 alw, replying to alw, 22, #1270 of 2284 🔗

Lockdowns damage in so many ways. Perhaps Boris and his henchmen would like to comment on the queue I have just seen outside a branch of Cash Converters. People need to put food on the tables, the magic money tree doesn’t. Nor does it pay the bills. Shame on the politicians and their hangers on.

335155 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to alw, 7, #1271 of 2284 🔗

Johnson and his henchmen don’t give a damn about the British public or the economy. Just their own self-serving interests. Well, when there are 8m unemployed mid to late Summer, what is going to happen then? It will be too late.

335296 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1272 of 2284 🔗

But they won’t be unemployed, will they?

335140 NickR, replying to NickR, 17, #1273 of 2284 🔗

Oh well, it’s not only the Brits who’ve developed ‘hypochondria by proxy’, take a look at the figures for Germany & France well below expected deaths, Sweden is at the average level too.

335165 ▶▶ leggy, replying to NickR, 4, #1274 of 2284 🔗

Thanks Nick – so glaringly obvious isn’t it. Someone down voted you for some insane reason, but I’ve balanced that out.

335142 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 42, #1275 of 2284 🔗

Here we go again: Sturgeon has just imposed Lockdown Supreme, which essentially means that we’re not allowed to do anything other than exist in a perpetual state of abject ,gagged ,isolated servitude.

No hope of release before February at the earliest, so more businesses will go under, council tax arrears are soaring and children must stay at home for the duration.

She plans to have all those over 50 jabbed by May; good luck with that. Note that she does not consider informed dissent as a valid reason for refusal: we’ll all fall into line and await our turn.

Finally, another horror story : a pleasant man called at my door seeking new customers for a local dairy; weekly trial of door step deliveries with no obligation to continue . I agreed to the trial as local businesses, the few that are still going ,need support.

Then he related his horrifying account of a dental abscess which rapidly developed into full blown sepsis, requiring a 3 day stay in a local hospital. He has now lost nearly all his teeth, and has 4 priority dental appointments planned for February.

His wife was not allowed to visit him in hospital and while there he encountered 2 other patients, both much younger than him, who had also developed severe infections, leading to the loss of many teeth.

One man was in so much pain that he pulled his own tooth out with pliers; the advice to take paracetamol and wait, dished out by 111 ,being utterly useless.

These dental disasters are a direct result of the utter madness which stopping the spread and closing of dental practices has led to.

Not only have people suffered days of pain and spreading infection, they now have to adapt to the edentulous condition which affects their speech, ability to eat and appearance , this being compounded by an increasingly anxious wait for dentures to be fitted, assuming of course, that this time, dentists will not be forced to close.

Is it not now obvious that lockdowns do more harm than good? Proportionality has been dispensed with, as we endure yet more soul destroying restrictions and watch the lives of the young, the poor and the self employed being destroyed .

Disgusted doesn’t really describe my state of mind now.

335153 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to wendyk, 10, #1276 of 2284 🔗

People need to take out legal action against these vaccinations right now.

335227 ▶▶ John001, replying to wendyk, 6, #1277 of 2284 🔗

Dental abscesses in the upper jaw can be life-threatening. I think my dental health has probably improved a lot since I started taking high-dose vitamin D supplements, i.e. 10-12 times more than the NHS tells us to ‘consider taking’. It’s almost as if the National Disease Service wants us to be unhealthy.

335241 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to wendyk, #1278 of 2284 🔗

I have been taking Serrapeptase (high dose) for 9 months now that keeps the gum infection/abscess under control

335341 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 4, #1279 of 2284 🔗

Quite ironic that her left hand puppet is a dentist.

335144 Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 2, #1280 of 2284 🔗

Oh dear:

Get voting to maybe skew the figures a bit – https://yougov.co.uk/opi/myfeed/#/all

335149 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 6, #1281 of 2284 🔗

Quite a high level of compliance but how the fuck do 2% of people not know!!

335164 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 4, #1282 of 2284 🔗

There’s an underclass whose lifestyles are so chaotic that they don’t know where one household starts and another one ends. They drift between various concurrent “partners” and progeny (who may or may not be theirs).

335191 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 7, #1283 of 2284 🔗

Sounds like the Bozzer.

335196 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1284 of 2284 🔗

You’re not wrong! 😀

335232 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 1, #1285 of 2284 🔗

YOUGOV lol. I have been in the real productive world today and my poll is totally opposite. Eddie Milliband pm every poll for 3 years, that is how accurate YOUGOV are.

335145 common conservative, 7, #1286 of 2284 🔗

I’m sad to say I have only just discovered this site:

https://my-sgf.co.uk/

It looks great. Good charts, good articles, lots of important and key information, and they seem to use and provide source material for their claims. Once I’ve verified their claims on the leaflets/cards they provide for distribution I intend to order a load. Can you imagine the ‘trigger’ factor involved when these good people deliver these leaflets/cards to fundamentalists’ households? This is important stuff, but it could also be fun.

I take my hat off to the site owners.

335147 Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Dominich, 33, #1287 of 2284 🔗

Well, a new lockdown to be announced this afternoon. This is catastrophic for the economy, for businesses, for jobs. But, they don’t seem to give a damn about any of that. Firstly it was a new variant which allegedly had increased transmissability which WHO promptly refuted in its entirety. The following day, announcement of a new strain from South Africa (clever virus, hopped across two continents) which the South African President stated he was not that concerned about.

WTF? There’s no going back in terms of the economy. It’s completely f****d. But, the MSM journalists won’t bother asking one single relevant question.

We must be the laughing stock of the world at the moment.

335194 ▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to Jo Dominich, 19, #1288 of 2284 🔗

It’s beyond belief – it has to be deliberate now – how was the fat dictator on tv yesterday saying all is fine and then by 8pm tonight – it’s doomed – I don’t care about me – we will be fine but my daughter is really excited about going back to school next week and for her to have sit at home for weeks is criminal. She is in year 1 so online learning not really going to help at all. Plus another two months where my parents will feel they can’t see their grand children. I can only apologise for voting for these utter utter cunts…

335211 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo Dominich, 6, #1289 of 2284 🔗

Except most of the rest of the world is doing very similar things

335267 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Jo Dominich, 5, #1290 of 2284 🔗

‘Bojo, do you think it will be safe for parents and their children to roll boiled eggs down the hill behind their house for Easter, or should we just cancel Easter until Christmas?’

335148 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #1291 of 2284 🔗

Pope Francis’ new book praises George Floyd/BLM protests, blasts anti-lockdown protests

In his new book, “Let Us Dream,” Francis essentially sanctifies the riots over Floyd, saying, “Abuse is a gross violation of human dignity that we cannot allow and which we must continue to struggle against.”

Covid lockdowns, however, are evidently not a “violation of human dignity,” according to The Holy See, who proceeds to slam protests against government-imposed coronavirus restrictions, arguing misled demonstrators carry on “as if measures that governments must impose for the good of their people constitute some kind of political assault on autonomy or personal freedom!”

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-04-pope-francis-new-book-praises-george-floyd.html

335157 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Victoria, 14, #1292 of 2284 🔗

Pope Francis is, therefore, either a) Totally evil or b) Unbelievably naive.
I’d like to think it’s the latter.

335162 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Matt The Cat, 6, #1293 of 2284 🔗

Mmm

335199 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 7, #1294 of 2284 🔗

Mmm x2

335171 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Matt The Cat, 3, #1295 of 2284 🔗

Doubtless the Lord will know his own…

335183 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Mark, 1, #1296 of 2284 🔗

We must have faith.

335179 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Matt The Cat, 9, #1297 of 2284 🔗

As one brought up Catholic, I’d like to think the latter, but don’t. I believe him to be a marxist idiot.

335215 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Matt The Cat, 5, #1298 of 2284 🔗

I believe it’s the former.

335383 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Matt The Cat, -1, #1299 of 2284 🔗

Can’t think that the Roman Catholic church hasn’t got it’s mucky fingers all over this

335167 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Victoria, 1, #1300 of 2284 🔗

He seems determined to prove Westminster Confession of Faith 25.6 right.

335204 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Victoria, 4, #1301 of 2284 🔗

The Inquisitions were church led so we shouldn’t really be surprised about this.

335216 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Victoria, 2, #1302 of 2284 🔗

Reinforcing the reason I have zero time for organised religion. I have nothing against anybody who is religious, whichever way they worship provided it brings no harm to anybody else. Ordinary people with a religion are fine as far as I’m concerned. But those who lead need to indulge a little navel gazing from time to time.

335366 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 2, #1303 of 2284 🔗

Always good to find yet another reason to BURN THE POPE !

(living in Sussex gets to one after a while …).

335489 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Victoria, 3, #1304 of 2284 🔗

This tickled me at the time of his abdication, and still does:

335156 bebophaircut, #1305 of 2284 🔗

What hath Public Health wrought? You’re living it. Everyday.

https://www.weforum.org/press/2020/06/the-great-reset-a-unique-twin-summit-to-begin-2021

335160 chaos, 16, #1306 of 2284 🔗

click fizzle.. crackle,…..

I am here from the future.. 8 months in the future..

Here in tier 8 babies must change their own nappies and everyone is forbidden from blinking…

It stinks here and my eyes hurt. crickle fizzle… help.. send optrex and sudocrem.. crickle..

335168 Basics, 9, #1307 of 2284 🔗

UK Column returns with the first programme of 2021/2084 today – here-
https://youtu.be/aocHvFeeWSQ
Or with show notes and links –
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-4th-january-2021

If you’ve never tried watching it today is a good day to give it a go. One hour of excellent news and analysis. Matters covid featured very prominently. Assange is covered as well.

335169 Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 3, #1308 of 2284 🔗

All other respiratory illnesses drop away from almost non-existent just as the recent Covid cases increase:

335175 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1309 of 2284 🔗

29 December 2020. According to https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Tests carried out: 344,775

Positive results: 80,664

So 23% of tests carried out on that date were positive. Are they taking the piss, or am I misinterpreting the data?

335198 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to Tenchy, 1, #1310 of 2284 🔗

Got to be reporting lag?

335209 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 1, #1311 of 2284 🔗

Not sure – it shouldn’t be. The positive results are given as “cases by specimen date”, and the positive results data for 29 Dec is currently incomplete – so it could be even higher.

335206 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1312 of 2284 🔗

Apparently +ve result have leapt from 17% to 27%. Increased cycle count?

335277 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1313 of 2284 🔗

Or hungover staff in the processing points?

335207 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1314 of 2284 🔗

I bet there were a few SAGE and government panicker zealots who “surged” on seeing those figures. Probably what’s behind the loathsome Dan Hodges’ gloating and vaguely menacing Victory Tweet, quoted here earlier.

335380 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Mark, #1315 of 2284 🔗

‘Surged’ is a very delicate way of putting it.

335482 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Robin Birch, #1316 of 2284 🔗

For those of a certain age, it harks back to the original Spitting Image iteration.

335218 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1317 of 2284 🔗

It’s definitely dodgy, I had thought it was a post-Christmas blip to do with the shitehouse labs having a huge backlog. And we know how accurate they are even when they’re not rushing things.

335281 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1318 of 2284 🔗

It looks as though there is something strange going on – there have been a few things mentioned on Clare Craig’s twitter. Could be a mistake in a spreadsheet (again) or something more sinister, but the combination of timing, and synchronicity of the test positive rate across regions looks suspicious. Wonder whether this will emerge mysteriously a few days after we have been locked down?

335178 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 23, #1319 of 2284 🔗

The PCR test kit senior management have been in contact with me asking for more information on the court cases against the use of RT-PCR tests and their use so they can start their own research so sent them this:

Please find below some links and so on that may help you to start your research:

– the people preparing the UK lawsuit:

https://cacuk.world/

– a UK claims website:

https://pcrclaims.co.uk/

– the Portugal case:

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2020-11-27/covid-pcr-test-reliability-doubtful-portugal-judges/56962

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/20/portuguese-court-rules-pcr-tests-unreliable-quarantines-unlawful/

– the German case:

https://www.fuellmich.com/

https://www.covidtruths.co.uk/2020/11/update-on-dr-reiner-fuellmich-class-action-lawsuits-against-coronavirus-fraud/

– In the US Facebook factcheckers being sued for defamation:

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/08/22/zuckerberg-facebook-fact-checkers-sued-by-chd-latest-updates-press-conference/

– more international cases:

https://newswithviews.com/international-class-action-lawsuits-against-corona-pcr-test-manufacturers/

– In Holland:

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/coronavirus-sceptic-wins-court-case-about-mandatory-pcr-testing/

– In Germany:

https://www.europereloaded.com/coronavirus-scandal-breaking-in-merkels-germany-false-positives-and-the-drosten-pcr-test/

I also understand there are cases being prepared in Italy but cannot find the links to them at the moment.

Also attached is a FOI from the DHSC about RT-PCR tests and another document published on the Government websites:

In it it states:

my question – supply the justification that a “positive” test means the person is suffering from the virus as is a danger to the public and must be isolated.

their answer – SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19). Patients can have SARS-CoV-2 RNA before onset of illness, during the illness and after resolution of symptoms (all variable periods). The result has to be taken into context of symptoms present.

This is the same as in your company’s documentation and the following document states the same:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

Some quotes from this document:

Cycle threshold (Ct) is a semi-quantitative value that can broadly categorise the concentration of viral genetic material in a patient sample following testing by RT PCR as low, medium or high – that is, it tells us approximately how much viral genetic material is in the sample.

A single Ct value in the absence of clinical context cannot be relied upon for decision making about a person’s infectivity.

The clinical significance of positive results with high Ct are difficult to interpret in the absence of clinical history and context.

RT-PCR detects presence of viral genetic material in a sample but is not able to distinguish whether infectious virus is present.

So why is the Government still using the number of “positive tests” without any follow-up to justify the increasingly draconian restrictions being imposed?

A few more points to ponder as well:

1 – to ramp up positive test numbers to justify restrictive measures the Government performs RT-PCR tests. Why?

2 – to lower positive test numbers the Government performs Lateral Flow Tests (LFTs) which do supposedly pick up the live virus, recent examples are the Liverpool mass testing and the testing of the HGV drivers at Dover where only 36 out of over 15000 tests were positive (which does not point to a pandemic happening). Why?

3 – why is it that only the Government run testing laboratories using the higher Ct cycles get lots of positive results from RT-PCR tests? Private labs running the same tests for companies, football leagues, F1, golf, fit to fly certificates and so on get very, very few positives? Is it because they only use the recommended maximum of +/- 30 Ct cycles?

If you need any further information please do not hesitate to contact me and I will send whatever information I have available.

Maybe they might have an aversion to being hung out to dry if the Government needs scapegoats.

335274 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1320 of 2284 🔗

When all this over (if!), you should be given a knighthood or peerage or some title to recognise your non-stop activities in holding authorities feet to the fire. I tip my hat in your direction good sir!

335347 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Alan P, 1, #1321 of 2284 🔗

Hear hear.I doff my woolly headgear.

335351 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1322 of 2284 🔗

Samuel Eckert has a very publicly challenged Drosten to publicise his evidence that Sars2 exists, with a reward for him of $200.000.
Drosten is aware of this challenge, as he responded to Eckert’s tweet. Drosten has gone strangely quiet since then.
Isolate Winter English – Samuel Eckert

335214 NickR, replying to NickR, 17, #1323 of 2284 🔗

A colleague of my son visited a friend over Christmas in Wales. The police knocked on the friends door on Boxing day & told him to leave within the hour & gave him a fixed penalty fine. He told them he’d had a few beers & would be over the limit. They told him to go regardless!

335225 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NickR, 7, #1324 of 2284 🔗

Just shows the mentality of the rozzers.

335237 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #1325 of 2284 🔗

No such thing as a “good cop” – The people of Britain need to remember that NOW more than ever!

335246 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Matt The Cat, 4, #1326 of 2284 🔗

Known that for all my life.

335334 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to NickR, 2, #1327 of 2284 🔗

I hope he got the travel advise in writing in case he got stopped by another control.

335343 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NickR, 1, #1328 of 2284 🔗

Hope he didn’t pay the fine.

335637 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to NickR, #1329 of 2284 🔗

He should make a formal complaint.

335217 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 20, #1330 of 2284 🔗

And the bedwetters thought 2021 would be the year they get their lives back.

335229 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #1331 of 2284 🔗

Thing is, they don’t seem to care about any of it as long as they are “safe”

335238 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Smelly Melly, 15, #1332 of 2284 🔗

That is the only good thing about all this. The eventual realisation by the utter morons who thought by spring 2021 we’d be back to normal, that we actual never will be and everything they’ve done was pointless and is now permanent. They won’t be able to compute it. You should have woken up earlier you stupid fuckers.

335250 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hubes, 14, #1333 of 2284 🔗

The reality that this way of living is permanent (in and out of varying degrees of lockdown, distancing, masks, vaccines, poverty, unemployment etc.) is too difficult to face. Denial is all such people have left.

335260 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Hubes, 10, #1334 of 2284 🔗

They won’t realise because they will buy into each new lie the government tell them, as long as it comes from the TV.

335220 jim j, 11, #1335 of 2284 🔗

Like the NHS never complains

335221 Maverick, replying to Maverick, #1336 of 2284 🔗

Does anyone have a link for UK all-cause mortality rates over time?

335262 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Maverick, #1339 of 2284 🔗

Visual display in graphs and maps here. https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

335265 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Maverick, #1340 of 2284 🔗

Be careful to adjust for population – usually best to get hold of per-1000 or whatever figures rather than absolute numbers

335273 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to Julian, #1341 of 2284 🔗

Thank you all for the graph links.

335284 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Maverick, 1, #1342 of 2284 🔗

I don’t have a link but I’ve used the population figures and total England/Wales deaths going back to 1950 from the other links provided below into an Excel workbook on my computer. Adjusted for population, this year ranks at number 50 out of 70, it’s not even in the top two thirds. However one argues about Covid deaths, total deaths are just that – TOTAL deaths.

It’ll be a long post but if you want the figures I will post them (with apologies in advance for the length!).

DavidC

335297 ▶▶ Richard Crooks, replying to Maverick, 1, #1343 of 2284 🔗

Maverick, this is a chart I created from the ONS data in 2020 for excess deaths by place of occurance. I have also projected the officla excess death rate forward by using the excess mortality from 2014/15 winter (the last bad winter flu season) for context.

I suspct that we will see some greater excess deaths January, February and March 2021. But will those rates exceed or fall below the 2014/15 levels?

p.s. Please note the high excess levels of death at home.

p.p.s Please also not that the initial epedemic had a peak about 6 times higher than the current endemic “ripple”. This is in line with expections that the follw up season is often only 20% of the initial epidemic.

335224 wendyk, 5, #1344 of 2284 🔗

Actually, this lockdown without parole fest reminds me of the Cold War strategy – MAD- mutually assured destruction , with us as the collateral damage.

335226 Julian, replying to Julian, 6, #1345 of 2284 🔗

Reply (rare!) from an email to my MP expressing concern over vaccine dosage changes:

Many thanks for contacting me about second doses of the Pfizer vaccine.

Deputy Chief Medical Officer Professor Jonathan Van-Tam has assured Ministers and the public that extending the gap between first and second vaccine doses is the most effective way to save lives by immunising more vulnerable people sooner.

The first dose alone already offers a leading rate of 89 per cent protection, with the second increasing this to 95 per cent. Delaying administration of this second dose from three to twelve weeks ensures as many high risk people as possible receive a strong degree of the immunisation they require, urgently. It is simply more effective for two people to temporarily receive slightly less protection than for one person to receive none.

I assure you this does not mean people will not receive a second dose of the vaccine. Rather, this adjustment is the most efficient way to continue vaccination quickly, on a significantly larger scale. The fast spread of this virus remains a threat to lives and the NHS during this winter period, and we must do all we can to protect both.

I further welcome the recent announcement of the approval and immediate roll-out of an additional 530,000 doses of the UK’s own Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. This provides our world-leading vaccination programme with the opportunity to have millions more protected by the end of March, and the hope of the return to normal life that all of us want.

Do you know where she gets the 89% figure from?

335258 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Julian, 5, #1346 of 2284 🔗

From his digestive system.

335228 bebophaircut, 4, #1347 of 2284 🔗
  • “The Great Reset” will be the theme of a unique twin summit in January 2021, convened by the World Economic Forum.
  • “The Great Reset” is a commitment to jointly and urgently build the foundations of our economic and social system for a more fair, sustainable and resilient future.
  • It requires a new social contract centred on human dignity, social justice and where societal progress does not fall behind economic development.
  • The global health crisis has laid bare longstanding ruptures in our economies and societies, and created a social crisis that urgently requires decent, meaningful jobs.
  • The twin summit will be both in-person and virtual, connecting key global governmental and business leaders in Davos with a global multistakeholder network in 400 cities around the world for a forward-oriented dialogue driven by the younger generation.
  • The announcement of the Great Reset is made by HRH The Prince of Wales and Klaus Schwab during a virtual meeting today at 14:30 Central European Summer Time and can be followed here

Geneva, Switzerland, 3 June 2020 – “The Great Reset” will be the theme of a unique twin summit to be convened by the World Economic Forum in January 2021. The 51st World Economic Forum Annual Meeting will bring together global leaders from government, business and civil society, and stakeholders from around the world in a unique configuration that includes both in-person and virtual dialogues.
“We only have one planet and we know that climate change could be the next global disaster with even more dramatic consequences for humankind. We have to decarbonize the economy in the short window still remaining and bring our thinking and behaviour once more into harmony with nature,” said Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum.
“In order to secure our future and to prosper, we need to evolve our economic model and put people and planet at the heart of global value creation. If there is one critical lesson to learn from this crisis, it is that we need to put nature at the heart of how we operate. We simply can’t waste more time,” said HRH The Prince of Wales.
“The Great Reset is a welcome recognition that this human tragedy must be a wake-up call. We must build more equal, inclusive and sustainable economies and societies that are more resilient in the face of pandemics, climate change and the many other global changes we face,” said António Guterres, Secretary-General, United Nations, New York.

To do so, the World Economic Forum will draw on thousands of young people in more than 400 cities around the world (the Global Shapers Community) who will be interconnected with a powerful virtual hub network to interact with the leaders in Davos. Each of those hubs will have an open house policy to integrate all interested citizens into this dialogue, making the Annual Meeting open to everyone. In addition, global media and social media networks will mobilize millions of people, enabling them to share their input while also providing them with access to the Annual Meeting discussions in Davos .

Oh yeah?

Cutting down on their carbon footprints this time around.

335234 Mike, replying to Mike, 5, #1348 of 2284 🔗

Just heard that schools local to me (notts) will be rolling out weekly testing for staff so I suspect we’ll get the much needed case spike to help justify further restrictions and shutting the schools.

Person I heard it from finds it difficult wearing masks and has been told point blank if you don’t wear it then you’ll have to go on unpaid leave.

I’ve highlighted exemptions etc but unfortunately they are far to compliant to go against the system for any length of time.

335257 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Mike, 2, #1349 of 2284 🔗

Horrendous. The only saving grace in this enforced testing (we now have it at my office) is that it will typically be lateral flow and therefore less prone to false positives.

335270 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Adamb, #1350 of 2284 🔗

I expect similar at my place of work in the not to distant future. Thankfully I work from home most of the time so have little need to go to the office..sure they’ll try and get me one way or another.

335344 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Mike, 2, #1351 of 2284 🔗

They should take a leaf out of the book of the guy on here who “collapsed” in M&S after being forced to put on a mask. That would put the shits up the school – especially if they are also asked for their mask related risk assessment document.

335235 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #1352 of 2284 🔗

The articles by both David McGrogan and Guy de la Bédoyère about the failed strategy of lockdown sceptics and the failure to address emotion are thought provoking.

Hopefully this will lead to getting the right people involved to change the emotion/message. Lots of people/parties that challenged lockdown have started their own websites and other social media vehicles that added lots of value. However, these initiatives should consider merging for many obvious reasons.

Despite many of us became dejected after reading these two articles, being involved in lockdownsceptics.org and other initiatives is what keep us going and keeping us sane. Many are spreading the message in different ways, even if only referring fellow sceptics to this website.

We owe it to ourselves to do the best we can to be happy and enjoy life

335256 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, 5, #1353 of 2284 🔗

I wasn’t dejected, but was concerned that the messages were overly negative and IMO also inccurate

And I agree with what you say

335338 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 2, #1354 of 2284 🔗

Heartily agree. In fact, that it the only defence against lockdown.

335236 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 14, #1355 of 2284 🔗

Trying to explain to the covid cultists and generally fcukin stupid virtue signallers is too time consuming and bad for my health – i have therefore decide to produce a short leaflet to hand over to said arseholes, this being more legal than dropping the pointless cunts, so here goes….

Dear good and virtuous Believer,

Please find it in your heart to forgive the ‘covid-idiot’ who has given you this letter. He has been blinded by evidence based science – and is sadly unable to comprehend the propaganda to which you have been so easily deceived.

WARNING – DO NOT LOOK BELOW IF REALITY IS OFFENSIVE TO YOUR BELIEFS

To aid in our plea for your understanding, and as difficult and potentially dangerous as this may seem to your emotions,  please be brave and expose yourself to reality to which the ‘covid-idiots’ have been educated;

https://georgemichael93.medium.com/covid-19-beating-fear-with-science-c22932c989e6

and

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/12/30/what-is-left-to-say/

It gets worse! A group of international lawyers that defeated the criminal organisation Deutsche Bank and the fraudsters behind Volkswagen are getting in on the act!

After months of taking expert witness statements and evidence from some of the worlds most renowned virologists, pathologists and immunologists (rightly banned from the main media) – these informed lawyers are going to courts, all over the free world – to expose, and bring to justice, the criminals behind the scamdemic…

https://gloria.tv/post/cyzhSpgKH1z73xtPKvWmj1AVK

But please be assured that your incompetent government, and their unscientific advisers, and all the covid fraudsters involved will forever be grateful to you for your blind ignorance and stupidity.

Thank you, and please continue to back our great reset,

the Build Back better team

335247 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Major Panic, 22, #1356 of 2284 🔗

Hope you feel better after getting this off your chest, but unless information is concise and to the point, they will not read it.

What about this one? or use your information above to make a poster?

335268 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Victoria, 1, #1357 of 2284 🔗

Love it – get it out there.

335279 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Victoria, #1358 of 2284 🔗

suspect that excellent poster is way above the covid religious – we need something massive to kick start rational re-thinking

335317 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Major Panic, 5, #1359 of 2284 🔗

The only thing that will kick-start rational thought is an empty bank account, a cold house and empty stomachs (especially their children’s).

335336 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 4, #1360 of 2284 🔗

They’ve never worried about their children’s empty hearts and empty minds.

335346 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1361 of 2284 🔗

nailed it – but by then they will own nothing and ‘be happy’

335350 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1362 of 2284 🔗

Drop a few from time to time too though, MP. Good for the soul. 🙂

335239 NickR, 8, #1363 of 2284 🔗

Just for good measure I’ve pulled out Sweden, the Netherlands & a load of other Nordic countries.

335248 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #1364 of 2284 🔗

Remember the 2nd lockdown? I know, I know, the Tiers are lockdown in almost everything but name. Anyway, remember the 2nd lockdown? – It came with a cool sounding name ‘two point oh’. It was still quite novel and interesting to the goons that thought it was going to blast Covid away like Arnie in an action movie.

No such swanky name for this one but I would like to offer Lockdown the Turd.

335386 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1365 of 2284 🔗

I called the November one Lockdown 2: The Sequel so this will be Lockdown 3: The Sequel to the Sequel.

335249 thinkaboutit, replying to thinkaboutit, 16, #1366 of 2284 🔗

Germany and Sweden businesses having an ignore lockdown day January 11th
https://twitter.com/JaniceW78256134/status/1346151707722588166?s=20

335322 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #1367 of 2284 🔗

Sweden has no shops closed anyway, so what?
Germany is SUPPOSED to open on the 10th.

335455 ▶▶ Janette, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #1368 of 2284 🔗

That sounds like a fantastic idea. We should do it here too in England. If all small businesses did that and were full then surely the police couldn’t arrest everyone?

335252 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 25, #1369 of 2284 🔗

The only way this is going to end is if people’s pay/furloughs are stopped

335266 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #1370 of 2284 🔗

Los of economic karma being stored up.

335253 Tom Blackburn, 2, #1371 of 2284 🔗

Do you believe in fairies? Say quick that you believe. If you believe, clap your hands!

335261 Julian, replying to Julian, 4, #1372 of 2284 🔗

Poll on YouTube from TalkRadio

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgxP3-zDDA7UzEBrdP94AaABCQ

Have lockdown sceptics ‘lost the war’?

Currently 50-50

335269 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 10, #1373 of 2284 🔗

That they are admitting there is a “war” in the first place is an indication that this is far from over. We have known for many months that this is a war against humanity.

335272 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Julian, 1, #1374 of 2284 🔗

a better pole may be – has lockdown saved lives really?

335289 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Julian, 3, #1375 of 2284 🔗

They claimed we had lost many months ago so we’re improving the odds.

335291 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 13, #1376 of 2284 🔗

We’ve not lost because we won’t stop fighting. Even if we can’t win a rigged political game, we can witness to the truth. That in itself is a service to society, and a great help to the many real people (some of whom silhouette themselves behind absurd animal based user names) who read and post here.

No surrender.

335331 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ovis, 6, #1377 of 2284 🔗

Definitely no surrender.
No single Resistance movement drove out the Nazis unaided, but they saved the honour of their countries.
‘Honour’ means nothing to Zombie Britain, but it means something to us.

335457 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Annie, 2, #1378 of 2284 🔗

Quite right, Annie. We’ll have our honour, whatever happens.
“Here I stand. I can do no other.” – Martin Luther attributed.

I’ll battle on in my own way, trying to shape the future in whatever little way I can in the direction I know to be right. As do we all here.

335388 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ovis, 3, #1379 of 2284 🔗

Well said. We have to keep fighting.

No retreat, no surrender.

335450 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Ovis, 1, #1380 of 2284 🔗

Agreed

335311 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Julian, 3, #1381 of 2284 🔗

We must remember that at the beginning of this, scepticism wasn’t their concern at all, they were more worried that Beff and co would get them for not being tough enough. They didn’t care enough about the sceptics to take them into their political calculations. Now they know that we are there, we have increasing numbers and unlike banshee Beff we have logic, rationality and an increasing number of actual experts, scientists, medics and economists on our side. There will be a tipping point. All their eggs are in the vaccine basket now. That is why they are ramping up the narrative for a ‘final push’ that they think will get them over the line and to the end goal of political salvation, whereby a grateful population thanks them for their wisdom and bravery in ‘conquering the virus’. A BIG gamble.

335264 Nobody2021, 31, #1382 of 2284 🔗

There’s a good reason why during a fire drill people are told to walk and not run.

However during a pandemic apparently it’s a good idea to ramp up the fear and panic simply because people wouldn’t realise otherwise.

335280 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #1383 of 2284 🔗

VACCINE TAKEN BY NURSE, HAS STROKE WITHIN 24 HOURS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4YcZMQmuN10/

335283 Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 1, #1385 of 2284 🔗

Peston get the info before time again?

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1346110314224340993

335286 swedenborg, 9, #1386 of 2284 🔗

Brilliant investigative journalism

A very good long but fascinating new article discussing the extremely dangerous work going on for many years purportedly to examine/prevent possibly produce vaccine before any pandemic. Instead, any mishap can start it. Almost unbelievable that this type of dangerous work has not been regulated and forbidden in many aspects. The Biden administration will have a big problem in front of them. China and the US are both heavily responsible if the laboratory origin is proven. .And there is more and more pointing in that direction. Just read Fauci’s involvement, you won’t see this in the BBC. The military industrial complex required its perpetual wars but what about Pharmaco/Medical complex?

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

“And we need to stop hunting for new exotic diseases in the wild, shipping them back to laboratories, and hot-wiring their genomes to prove how dangerous to human life they might become.”

“In 2012, in Bulletin of Atom Scientists Lynn Klotz warned that there was an 80 percent chance, given how many laboratories were then handling virulent viro-varietals, that a leak of a potential pandemic pathogen would occur sometime in the next 12 years.”

“This new, useful term, emerging , began to glow in the research papers of some coronavirologists, who were out of the spotlight, working on common colds and livestock diseases. The term was useful because it was fluid. An emerging disease could be real and terrifying, as AIDS was — something that had just arrived on the medical scene and was confounding our efforts to combat it — or it could be a disease that hadn’t arrived, and might never arrive, but could be shown in a laboratory to be waiting in the wings, just a few mutations away from a human epidemic. It was real and unreal at the same time — a quality that was helpful when applying for research grants.”

“The virus hunting and collecting, which Richard Ebright likens to “looking for a gas leak with a lighted match,” will continue and widen with U.S. funding”

335362 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 2, #1388 of 2284 🔗

At the time I thought she was very wrong but now I’m not so certain. Perhaps she’s one of us but covert?

Culpable and reckless conduct? Good luck proving that.

335288 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 19, #1390 of 2284 🔗

Piers Morgan who is banging on about lockdowns was enjoying a tropical holiday over christmas

335303 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1391 of 2284 🔗

Why am I not surprised?

DavidC

335308 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to DavidC, 2, #1392 of 2284 🔗

Is it really possible to be surprised anymore, DC?

335316 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1393 of 2284 🔗

Did you see the footage of Anderson Cooper and one of his CNN mates getting hammered in Times Square on New Year’s Eve? No masks, no distancing, shouting etc. Nothing wrong with this in and of itself of course, but in the context of what their channel has been pushing for the last 9 months, and the fact that Times Square was closed to the public, completely despicable.

335330 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Richard O, 2, #1394 of 2284 🔗

Keeping the planet for those rich folks is the plan

335402 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richard O, 2, #1395 of 2284 🔗

One rule for them another one for us.

335321 ▶▶ Will, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1396 of 2284 🔗

Doubtless paid for by his bung from the government for pushing the propaganda.

335290 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 16, #1397 of 2284 🔗

Dr Vernon in top form “I wouldn’t trust Astra Zeneca selling boot polish.”

Can’t argue with that myself.

335326 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nottingham69, #1398 of 2284 🔗

I wouldn’t want them to inject me with boot polish, but I’m sure a zombie would.

335371 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Annie, 2, #1399 of 2284 🔗

It would give you a lovely finish…

335292 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 38, #1400 of 2284 🔗

All learning must be online say the government, the unions and the “experts”.
WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO CAN’T AFFORD TO HAVE THE INTERNET INSTALLED, YOU F××KING IDIOTS.

335301 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 16, #1401 of 2284 🔗

A friend of mine has no internet any more. He can’t afford it. He sends me SMSs to ask me to look things up for him. I’m sure he’s far from alone.

335320 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 20, #1402 of 2284 🔗

“Learning” is about more than maths and English. It’s about SOCIALISATION. Being in contact with other humans singly but especially in groups is part of the formation of the young and learning how to do this makes you ready to be a useful member of society.

335345 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 6, #1403 of 2284 🔗

Their idea of usefulness is just an obedient spoonfed drone, can’t have them potentially getting unapproved ideas and behaviours.

335349 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 7, #1404 of 2284 🔗

Considering that in just 9 months the global population has largely been reprogrammed to accept that their fellow citizens are nothing more than faceless potential disease vectors to be avoided wherever possible, I would suggest that closing schools for good is the perfect “education” for children of the new society.

335431 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Julian, 5, #1405 of 2284 🔗

Well, Neil Ferguson and Chris Whitty care about as much about socialising as Gemma Collins does about eating salad, so small wonder that they haven’t factored it into their thoughts.

335442 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Julian, 3, #1406 of 2284 🔗

My view is this is designed to dehumanise us and stop us getting together and talking!

335647 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Julian, #1407 of 2284 🔗

A very vital point Julian, reports of children after the last lockdown having behaviour problems and not knowing how to use cutlery

335339 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1408 of 2284 🔗

silly…. how naïve… kids don’t need to learn stuff to ”own nothing and be happy”, the less they know the better!

335415 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1409 of 2284 🔗

Will it make me a bad person if I continue to teach piano in-person if BJ announces another lockdown? I’ll be considered Spreader-in-Chief by some…

335642 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1410 of 2284 🔗

Or people with poor broadband or no available device/ laptop / tablet – or nowhere at home to study

Not all children live in nice middle class (elite really) houses in leafy suburbs with plenty of space and nice happy families

just shows how narrow minded ignorant and unsympathetic these people in government are

335293 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1411 of 2284 🔗

The most unto date seven day average mortality figure on coronavirus.data.gov.uk is the 24th Dec. It is 521 – the highest since mid-summer.

Since then – over the last 11 days – the daily reported figure has averaged 527 .

Is it possible the winter peak has occurred?

We’ll know over the next two weeks as the seven day average figure gets progressively up dated.

Of course the people in power are working on the assumption the figure is going to get much higher yet.

335313 ▶▶ Richard Crooks, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #1412 of 2284 🔗

Our winter deaths in England/Wales normally peak in January, so I would suspect deaths to increase this month.

335318 ▶▶▶ Richard Crooks, replying to Richard Crooks, 2, #1413 of 2284 🔗

My winter projection if it’s as bad as 2014/15.

335314 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ned of the Hills, 12, #1414 of 2284 🔗

Of course the people in power are working on the assumption the figure is going to get much higher yet.”

I’m not so sure. I don’t think they much care. I mean, if it does get higher it saves them making other nonsense up e.g. mutant strains, but if it doesn’t they will invent something else. I don’t think there’s any rational concern for public health here – it’s all just political theatre.

335315 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1415 of 2284 🔗

No they aren’t they are having a third go at trying to credit lockdown with doing nature’s job; the idiots can’t even get that right…

335295 Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 7, #1416 of 2284 🔗

Surge in domestic child abuse during pandemic, reports specialist UK children’s hospital
Rise of 1493% in 1 month compared with same period in previous three years

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/surge-in-domestic-child-abuse-during-pandemic-reports-specialist-uk-childrens-hospital/

335299 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 10, #1417 of 2284 🔗

Why oh why don’t they report this in the MSM??

335310 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #1418 of 2284 🔗

They will tell themselves they are doing the world a service. Drawing attention to it would only enflame the issue. Or at least that is how their conscience must operate.

Totally arbitrary of course but dexterity of mind in this way is vital to progress in the MSM. Forget integrity, understand your role and you will be rewarded

335324 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 2, #1419 of 2284 🔗

but if it saves one life……..

335398 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 6, #1420 of 2284 🔗

And yet nowt a peep from the MSM and children’s charities!!

The latter are a disgrace and like mental health charities have abandoned their core mission-vision.

Maybe we should start a campaign to defund them when this is all over.

335304 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 38, #1421 of 2284 🔗

CRIMINAL BASTARD LYING FAT FUCK!

…. and, breathe…

335306 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1422 of 2284 🔗

That made me laugh Sam, thanks!

DavidC

335396 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to DavidC, 3, #1423 of 2284 🔗

Thank you, gents. I see my PhD in Comedy* hasn’t been wasted!

*and Lying

335309 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1424 of 2284 🔗

I hope you feel a bit better now. I do. Thankyou!

335553 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1425 of 2284 🔗

I find that playing the punk song Boris Johnson is a Cucking Funt very loudly helps.

335319 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 13, #1426 of 2284 🔗

The BBC is announcing that Boris will be announcing school closures this evening. What an absolute fool to go on tv yesterday to say that it was perfectly safe for parents to send their children primary schools today then do yet another U-turn.

What is the latest news on the London Nightingale hospital? We are being told that hospitals in London are overwhelmed. Has it been re-activated yet?

335337 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Margaret, 9, #1427 of 2284 🔗

Is he a fool? Or is the constant shape shifting benefiting them somehow? Incompetence, or taking a leaf out of the Surkov playbook?

I agree though really he’s a massive eejit.

335323 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 15, #1428 of 2284 🔗

Reiner Fuellmich puts Gates, Schwab, Drosten et al on notice: he’s coming for them:

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/quot-planet-lockdown-quot-reiner-fuellmich_SZFQGVgYvXfAqke.html

335329 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ross Hendry, 5, #1429 of 2284 🔗

Let’s hope he hurries up.

335342 ▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to leggy, 3, #1430 of 2284 🔗

They’ll know he’s onto them. Watch for some ass covering. The law may be slow but it’s certain.

335333 Cecil B, 11, #1431 of 2284 🔗

Hysteria about to go into warp factor 9

335335 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 9, #1432 of 2284 🔗

Dr Vernon on Dr Hunts pro CCP shutdown rantings earlier. “Another medical expert like Gary Lineker and Bill Gates”

335348 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to nottingham69, 2, #1433 of 2284 🔗

Nice. I like the cut of his jib.

335340 Robin Birch, replying to Robin Birch, 9, #1434 of 2284 🔗

Guess we’ll know the worst soon enough. I will be very annoyed if ‘elite’ [overpaid] sports people/sports are not likewise locked down.Or does big money make for the exception, again?

335370 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Robin Birch, 7, #1435 of 2284 🔗

Of course they won’t be. Spectator sport (even if those spectators are locked in their houses) is just a variety of soma.

335354 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to wendyk, 4, #1437 of 2284 🔗

with her usual dishonest effectiveness

335359 ▶▶ l835, replying to wendyk, 5, #1438 of 2284 🔗

Only took Mcplod three months.

335360 ▶▶ dpj, replying to wendyk, 3, #1439 of 2284 🔗

At least it wasn’t the really dangerous mutant variant she had?

335385 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to wendyk, 5, #1440 of 2284 🔗

Ferrier is no longer SNP

The Met had said she would face no action

The arrest of political opponents under a dictatorship is not unusual

Remember Alex Salmond and the trumped up charges he faced

Full on dictatorship now north of the border

335444 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1441 of 2284 🔗

Wee Krankie has not yet come out of the Salmond mess either. It’s been bubbling away in the background. How much she knew and how she tried to play a MeToo card on Alex. Who was having none of it.

335416 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to wendyk, 1, #1442 of 2284 🔗

I obviously abhor Ferrier’s hypocrisy, for which she should be held to account, but being arrested and charged over this seems harsh.

335417 ▶▶ Basics, replying to wendyk, 3, #1443 of 2284 🔗

Virtue signal full confidence in Police doing a difficult job at a difficult time blah. Inappropriate to comment further ties the job up neatly. Expect some vague “are you worried plod will be arresting you nikla for mask episode?” Reply along lines of, “Look, we are all doing the best we can in exceptional times, I have a pandemic to rule over and therefore will not enter into further discussion”. All the while look8ng like a bad tempered and very ugly oompah loompah.

..is my guess.

335461 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to wendyk, 3, #1444 of 2284 🔗

Perhaps Peter Murrell has ‘suggested’ that the Police take action…

He admitted sending a tweet pressuring Scotland’s finest to investigate Alex Salmond, but he wouldn’t be so daft as to do the same thing again, would he?

335492 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DJ Dod, 1, #1445 of 2284 🔗

Astute.

335468 ▶▶ shorthand, replying to wendyk, 2, #1446 of 2284 🔗

Doesn’t the timing of this arrest seem a little too ‘convenient’? The very day that Wee Skankie announces a national lockdown.

See, here’s what we do to our own disgraced MSP’s…. So you lot better behave yourselves..!

335353 AngloWelshDragon, 30, #1447 of 2284 🔗

If they had just done what China did and declared victory over Covid a couple of months ago, stopped testing healthy people and diagnosing every old person with a chest infection as Covid we could have got back to normal and the vast majority of us would still not know a single person who has died or been made seriously ill by Covid. I know one confirmed case and she is a nurse who caught it in hospital and was a bit under the weather for two days then back to normal. I know a few people who have been tested and not so much as a false positive never mind real one among them. I have heard of two terminally ill elderly people who died with Covid having caught it in hospital. Ebola it ain’t.

335355 NickR, replying to NickR, 12, #1448 of 2284 🔗

English hospitals.
Average bed occupancy week ending 27th Dec: 73,943
Average bed occupancy for the 4th Quarter 2019: 90,309

Too many patients? 18% fewer patients in English hospitals during the last week of Dec than the average figure for the last quarter of 2019. You tell me?

335372 ▶▶ Will, replying to NickR, 1, #1449 of 2284 🔗

I trust you know I wouldn’t question the veracity of your post, NickR, but do you have sources for this information so I can share it, thank you.

335391 ▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to NickR, 10, #1451 of 2284 🔗

Top Man Nick.

Keep up the good work. And the flat graphs without the damned hockey stick at the end !

335405 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bill H, 1, #1452 of 2284 🔗

Hear hear.

335449 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to NickR, 1, #1453 of 2284 🔗

Thank you Nick!!

335361 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 15, #1454 of 2284 🔗

Drosten’s paper is in big trouble and also Eurosurveillance the paper accepting it.This twitter thread buy an Editor of Springer Nature completely thrashes the possibility that it was peer reviewed and this will not help Drosten in the court case.

 https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1346110742924308482.html

335403 ▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1455 of 2284 🔗

I do wonder if that’s the ticking bomb that’s going to blow up soon.

335424 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TJN, 1, #1456 of 2284 🔗

I hope so … but I doubt it. The lies and deceptions have gone too far.

335422 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1457 of 2284 🔗

Fascinating – particularly after causing some minor waves by refusing an extremely intrusive swab up my nose whilst in hospital.

I don’t blame those responsible for implementing policy. They are also victims of fraud – but those responsible for instituting the practise need their P45s tout de suite . They are responsible for perpetuating massive medical fraud – or they are incompetently ignorant. Either way, they should be nowhere near the formulation of health policy.

335363 Stephen Priest, 8, #1458 of 2284 🔗

The Great Reset: Bannon Interviews Archbishop Vigano – ‘Biden An Irreparable, China-Complicit Disaster’

https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/the-great-reset-bannon-vigano-biden/

The exclusive transcript of an interview conducted by War Room show host and former White House Chief Strategist Stephen K. Bannon with His Excellency Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop. The National Pulse is publishing the interview – which primarily concerns the Catholic Church, the deep state, and the key actors involved – without edits.

335365 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 5, #1459 of 2284 🔗

State of this from YouGov Chat. We need more sceptics joining YouGov and YouGov Chat.