2021-01-05

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336276 Stephen Priest, replying to Stephen Priest, 12, #1 of 2045 🔗

Dr John Lee on Talk Radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUNkmA42NLI

Covid Science Debate: Vaccine Risk and Safety

336277 ▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Stephen Priest, 9, #2 of 2045 🔗

The Great Reset: Bannon Interviews Archbishop Vigano – ‘Biden An Irreparable, China-Complicit Disaster’

https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/the-great-reset-bannon-vigano-biden/

The exclusive transcript of an interview conducted by War Room show host and former White House Chief Strategist Stephen K. Bannon with His Excellency Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop. The National Pulse is publishing the interview – which primarily concerns the Catholic Church, the deep state, and the key actors involved – without edits.

336508 ▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Stephen Priest, 11, #3 of 2045 🔗

Lee is often very good but he is being deliberately obtuse about the vaccines, and if he said much different he could find himself before the GMC, but here is the latest devastating review of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines:

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/

which really makes the MHRA look like farcical stooges. This is what we are being held to ransom over.

336928 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 6, #4 of 2045 🔗

That is a damning report. He highlights several very important questions and inconsistencies. Remember this is likely to be the toned down version of what he wanted to write.

336686 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Stephen Priest, 10, #5 of 2045 🔗

What is the vaccine “to be welcomed”? If it doesn’t work, it’s another waste of billions. If it does work it will wipe out another existing pathogen, so making room for yet another novel pathogen to emerge – possibly one far more dangerous. Why are we pursuing this crazy policy?

336745 ▶▶ albert hall, replying to Stephen Priest, 8, #6 of 2045 🔗

Sadly Talk Radio has had its account terminated with YouTube.

337025 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to albert hall, 13, #7 of 2045 🔗

Sailing too close to the Truth, obviously.

337246 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to albert hall, 5, #8 of 2045 🔗

Seems like the former bête noire Rupert Murdoch is out of favour with the cabal..

Talk Radio, Sky News Australia, and US Fox News all being owned by Murdoch companies.

337939 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo Emilian, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #9 of 2045 🔗

The best sources for info. regarding what is going on.

338267 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to albert hall, #10 of 2045 🔗

Youtube has been in the business of corrupting and influencing with malicious intent for around a decade now. They also happen to be owned by Google.

They deployed an army of Millennials to monitor and shut down politically incorrect videos/conversation and have continued to ratchet up their censorship to the point of which it is now unrecognisable from the days when it was a fun platform.

336278 TheBigman, #11 of 2045 🔗

Bronze for me 😁

336279 sceptic_teacher, replying to sceptic_teacher, 66, #12 of 2045 🔗

Wrote to my useless MP quoting back at her a November missive in which she assured me that “schools must remain open if at all possible. The previous lockdown did untold damage to the chances of the most disadvantaged children and we cannot risk these children falling yet further behind in their education”. Indeed.

In the last week before Christmas, the DfE was seeking legal action against the schools that moved to remote learning prematurely. On Friday 1st Jan the DfE informed my school of the imminent mass-testing rollout. On Sunday 3rd Jan Boris was wheeled out to tell everyone that schools are safe… on Monday 4th, wheeled out once more to shut them down.

I can only conclude that they want to bamboozle, demoralize and wear people down, that this is something like deliberate psychological manipulation through their constantly shifting the already largely arbitrary goalposts.

There’s a lot wrong with schools – I see it first-hand – but if there were an Ofsted for governments, ours and the vast majority of the Commons would be several grades below Special Measures, surely.

336471 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to sceptic_teacher, 33, #13 of 2045 🔗

Agree totally and great to see another sceptic teacher. I witnessed at first hand the terrible results of the last lockdown on secondary and sixth form education. They have made almost no progress since march especially the ones from disadvantaged backgrounds. We are going to end up with very poorly educated adults in the future if this carries on. I agree there is much wrong with schools but this is not the answer. Utterly appalled.

336533 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Boris Bullshit, 18, #14 of 2045 🔗

You don’t need serfs to be educated still less an intelligence to be a successful techno dictator.

336699 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Boris Bullshit, 21, #15 of 2045 🔗

A degradation of educational standards started (as I usually point out) back in the 90’s particularly when Tony Blair swept through our institutions. Meanwhile, every form of entertainment, particularly movies, perpetuate the dumbing down of our senses. I believe this has (amongst so many other things) contributed massively to the inability of people to think critically for themselves – they always need a voice on the television to tell them what to do. I’m often aghast at the behaviour of parents today, remarking that they’re more immature than the children.

And as you both have pointed out here, the next generation is going to take this to another level of obedience. Dumb people need guiding, intelligent people are leaders.

This is happening by design.

336798 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to J4mes, 9, #16 of 2045 🔗

“the next generation is going to take this to another level of obedience.”

Other than a small number of heavily controlled key workers and a small army of robotised serfs, the next generation is not scheduled for existence. Likewise, those of us in the current generation are now living very much on borrowed time.

336808 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Rowan, 4, #17 of 2045 🔗

Can’t disagree unfortunately.

337256 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Rowan, 5, #18 of 2045 🔗

I know I certainly often wonder just what subsequent generations to my own are supposed to do for jobs. All well and good automating everything etc etc – but where do they earn their income from? It’s no wonder the “jury is out” imo as to whether there is/isn’t a Plan to stick them all on Basic Income and tell them to consider themselves happy.

337557 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to ElizaP, 1, #19 of 2045 🔗

Yes, perhaps they won’t see themselves as being self-sufficient people. No point striving…..

337553 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Rowan, 1, #20 of 2045 🔗

How very Brave New World.

336909 ▶▶▶ sceptic_teacher, replying to Boris Bullshit, 9, #21 of 2045 🔗

Another sceptic teacher?! I’m not the only one!! This has made me very happy. Thank you. I agree; it is the same in my school.

337392 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to sceptic_teacher, 2, #22 of 2045 🔗

Always pleased to make someone happy!

336280 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 27, #23 of 2045 🔗

It appears the government don’t even look at their own statistics (or if they do they don’t believe them) – see figures for London weekly change in cases below:

336310 ▶▶ adamsson, replying to Laurence, 24, #24 of 2045 🔗

Oh no they know they have past the peak. No point having a lockdown if you haven’t even stupid people would notice that they don’t work.

337396 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to adamsson, #25 of 2045 🔗

Ridicule them for their ineptitude.

337394 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Laurence, 1, #26 of 2045 🔗

The government does not give a hoot for statistics, they are on The Road to Nowhere.

336281 TC, 33, #27 of 2045 🔗

As always, good pertinent articles in your newletter.
Like the graphs, the statistical analysis, the Institute of Actuaries assessment and the letter by a reader to his MP.
Unfortunately, nothing seems to work with this bone headed government, it’s advisers and our largely useless ploiticians.
Perhaps your reaader’s letter could be offered as a Word or email template to readers and indeed any wider audience for people to write to their MPs and at least give them some real sense of the anti lockdown case?
I’ll keep looking at your excellent newsletter every day.
Thank you for your work.

336282 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 25, #28 of 2045 🔗

Happy New Year

Anyone still think this is about health ?

ps, not sure what the new login to comment thing is supposed to achieve, another attempt to track and trace dissenters ? Open comment is surely better with as few obstacles as possible.

336364 ▶▶ CaptainG, replying to Bill Grates, 31, #29 of 2045 🔗

the virus is just a pretext for the Great Reset. Medical tyranny- controlled economic destruction will result in everyone being made a ward of the state. Global communism. This lockdown is permanent. Digital currency and UBI will be offered after banking collapse. The schools will never re-open- all “education” like everything else will go permanently online where the population can be monitored and controlled.

336489 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to CaptainG, 16, #30 of 2045 🔗

I agree with almost all you have said there but not sure that ‘global communism’ is the correct description even though its cheered on by the useful idiots of the Left. I think Rick H makes a very fair point that it is elements of the Right that are just as much behind this. Its not red bloodied militants shop stewards like ‘Red Robbo’ from the 1970s that are instigating this it is global billionaires and huge multinational capital.

I think its more of a technocratic fascism where the richest elements rule the world…once they do the useful idiots of the Left will find their lives are just as miserable as ours. Some of them may then finally ditch the wokery and virtue signalling and join the people.

336548 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #31 of 2045 🔗

State corporatism CCP style.

336674 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to karenovirus, #32 of 2045 🔗

Yes thats a good label too. I wrote my MA dissertation on ‘corporatism’ back in the 1980s. In those days though it was more national than global.

336579 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 15, #33 of 2045 🔗

Technocratic fascism describes it well. It’s no longer a left or right thing and I think arguing about that is a distraction. It’s global dictatorship.

336677 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to thinkaboutit, 6, #34 of 2045 🔗

I totally agree….it has long transcended left/right and those who try to drag it back to those polarities are indeed a distraction.

336694 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #35 of 2045 🔗

The control method will be authoritarian socialism/communism, those in charge will be the capitalist elite. Same as it ever was.

The so called moneyed elite were the ones behind the Bolshevik Revolution. Trotsky et al were just useful idiots..

338272 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to George L, #36 of 2045 🔗

Certainly wouldn’t say Trotsky was a useful idiot – rather that he found himself more isolated than he expected and came a cropper. Otherwise, yes I agree, we’re facing a death-spiral of communism at the bottom with a weird tight mix of capitalism at the very top. You could almost describe it looking like a pyramid…

336777 ▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #37 of 2045 🔗

If you are to view the Covidians as the “nationalist group” defending itself from outsiders, then – yes – I think Technocratic Facism might be the better definition.

336862 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #38 of 2045 🔗

The alliance between the Bavarian Motor Workshop and the Chinese Communist Party tells you all you need to know about the relevance of the concepts “right” and “left” from now on.

336959 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #39 of 2045 🔗

No, it doesn’t. Right and left preceded Marxist ideas about ownership of capital and go much wider than just that issue.

All you are pointing out is that people who are powerful by virtue of capital accumulation and people who are powerful by virtue of political accumulation often have similar interests. Big shock.

That’s only a surprise to those who are stuck in the pre-1970s model of politics being all about ownership,of capital, state versus “private”. That argument became moot in the 1970s when the state ownership model collapsed into evident disaster. It’s just that many on the left are too dogmatic in their Marxist world-view to emerge into the real world, and so are still refighting their defeat in 1979, obsessing about “neoliberals” and Margaret Thatcher, and completely misunderstanding most modern political developments as a result.

That’s why the Blairite left keeps making such complete mincemeat out of them, politically.

336422 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Bill Grates, 6, #40 of 2045 🔗

I had to reset my password many times last night before I could log in again, maybe sinister things are afoot…

336495 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 3, #41 of 2045 🔗

Yes I think a lot of us have found this. I also have found the site says non available gateway sometimes the last couple of days and I was starting to wonder if the whole site was due for removal.

336544 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Boris Bullshit, #42 of 2045 🔗

I’ve had no problem staying logged in but have had the ‘bad gateway’ message in the early hours.
I generally find a path by searching ‘toby young’.
Maybe it’s a scheduled maintenance issue by the platform.

336930 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #43 of 2045 🔗

My updates keep disappearing, I have to resubscribe at least twice a week.

337328 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ituex, #44 of 2045 🔗

Mine keep being sent to spam.

336657 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 1, #45 of 2045 🔗

I haven’t encountered this but I have noted browsers and other apps can be set to not open or succeed in linked pages via a number of reasons that can seem to be all kinds of things. So perhaps also try with alternate browsers, or via vpn, or houseclean cookies and restart the browser.
There is no way I know to be certain as to who is really ‘protecting your privacy’ or serving the community, and Tolkien’s prescience rings true.
The capacity to choke life support from corporations openly threatened by Green Deal Carney is openly threatened. What goes on behind closed doors?
Confessions of an Economic Hit-Man gave an outline, and Govs are themselves ‘Gated’ or effectively bought or rendered impotent except as the ‘tool’ of their Private ‘partners’ (sic).
Perhaps the self-destructive self-reinforcing loop can be called sinistral.
I sense the awakening responsibility at the very root of our being is not the same as clinging on to self-illusions that are past their sell by dates, and so being reeled in by the false foundation of which they are founded. The ‘lie and the father of it’ is an active wish that would substitute for truth – believed and socially reinforced – such that a bad apple became the basis for locking down (access to) the tree of life.
A lot of nice social presentation or masking is the social agreement NOT to go into or look at the hateful and fearful underbelly of our human conflicts – and thus becomes ruled out or walled out as not fit for or acceptable as open discourse.
Yet the hates and fears are no less active in our mind and world for being lidded over a society that becomes ‘coded avoidance’ expressed as social virtue.

Virtue is the quality and qualities of the extension or radiance of truth.

336867 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, #46 of 2045 🔗

They only let you in once they had enough data on your keystroke patterns.

336590 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #47 of 2045 🔗

Well this is about your wholeness, because your are whole even if your mind and world contest the fact. But our ideas of health and sickness or good and evil have locked us into a mind-trap.

Open comment is also open to disinformation attacks. There are costs and benefits to any choice. While it can be said we are identifiable and traceable in online activity – from any time future. We can also give all power away to fear that ‘They’ are watching us and etc.

The ability to project our own hates and fear onto ‘others’ is part of the breakdown of communication. As is the ability and proclivity to act out fantasy upon the lives of others and on the living world as if the right to power for self-gratification.

The means of corrupting and controlling the leverages of influence is not new but the technology is. Man becomes the tool of his own thinking.

336755 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to Bill Grates, #48 of 2045 🔗

Well…. if you count LIFE as health, then yes, I suppose it is about health. Exterminating it.

336283 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 89, #49 of 2045 🔗

It is significant that the initial announced duration of full national lockdown has increased each time: March 2020 = 3 weeks / November 2020 = 4 weeks / January 2021 = 6 weeks. This represents a clear progression in the psychological warfare being waged on the UK population.

With the rollout of the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine now in motion, my belief is that this lockdown is the “big one”. That is to say, it will not be lifted until you have been vaccinated. Which for me means in perpetuity.

336285 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Richard O, 41, #50 of 2045 🔗

We will find ways to make sure we get back our access to things – provide alternatives if the Covidians open things up again, but bar us freedom lovers. For instance, a new airline meant for us is already en route (think it’s Dolores Cahill that has started it up). I gave up flying some years back and so won’t use any airline anyway – but this does provide a template for us to use if we have to if we find the Covidians are being allowed their access to facilities again, but we get discriminated against.

336294 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to ElizaP, 47, #51 of 2045 🔗

Yes, even if refuseniks end up being only 10% of the population, that’s still 7 million people. This I think is a fair estimate given that the government is clearly willing to completely crash the economy in order to terrorise the majority into compliance. Not easy to brush such a large number under the carpet.

336446 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Richard O, 23, #52 of 2045 🔗

I am still hoping it will be a good deal more than 10%.

336319 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to ElizaP, 20, #53 of 2045 🔗

Exactly. If it can work for the Amish, why not Sceptics …

336584 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 9, #54 of 2045 🔗

Now I need an Amish to help me with the oak frame of my house. Perhaps we could do swaps.
And if I can find an essential reason for being in your neck of the woods I’ll visit. If you want to legally challenge the daft wazzocks in charge I’ll contribute to crowdfund you. I’m so fed up with this nonsense.

336676 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #55 of 2045 🔗

Thanks. Would be interesting to find out if any businesses doing their own thing have actually been prosecuted.

337039 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to kh1485, 7, #56 of 2045 🔗

I’m growing the beard.

336340 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to ElizaP, 40, #57 of 2045 🔗

The way is for us to establish our own society. Best way forward is that we become self employed. If we are discriminated against, we have our own services, transport, schools, etc. More importantly, we refuse en masse to participate in the old society, which includes NOT PAYING TAX.

336369 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nick Rose, 10, #58 of 2045 🔗

The smokers asked for smoking only pubs with smoking staff; not allowed, not even private members only clubs.

336425 ▶▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to karenovirus, 18, #59 of 2045 🔗

Maybe they made the mistake of asking. We need to do it.

336456 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to karenovirus, 6, #60 of 2045 🔗

Smoking is proven to be harmful to health – I think the Covidians would find it hard to prove we are harmful to health (ie and they aren’t).

337315 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ skybluesam, replying to ElizaP, 12, #61 of 2045 🔗

They’d find it hard to prove we are harmful to health? Have you not been watching the last 9 months. They don’t have to prove anything, they just say it and the sheep and law follow

336449 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Nick Rose, 15, #62 of 2045 🔗

I think the point of cashless society and compulsory internet banking is that they take your money whether you like it or not.

336459 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 11, #63 of 2045 🔗

Hence we need to keep cash going (albeit it’s easier in an area like West Wales I know) – but must be perfectly possible elsewhere. There’s also bartering and the gift economy. Humans can be ingenious if we need to be.

336643 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 8, #64 of 2045 🔗

Gold and silver coins
You can start buying one a month and keep them under the floorboards
it works

336639 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #65 of 2045 🔗

This is exactly what the Muslims do in the no-go areas that don’t exist
Tried and tested and it works
Just find an area and gravitate towards it

338281 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #66 of 2045 🔗

Surely you realise by now that there is a two tier law in the UK – exemplified by the difference of law-enforcement between the BLM riots and the Anti-lockdown protests? Surely you’ve seen the “positive discrimination” government/BBC job adverts that exclude white heterosexual British males from applying? Surely you’ve seen… well you get the point (I could go on and on and would probably incriminate myself for committing thought crime).

No. We absolutely would not be afforded the same “no-go-zones” as muslims. The key wording there is ‘afforded’.

336783 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to ElizaP, 5, #67 of 2045 🔗

Already hard at work on this!

336313 ▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to Richard O, 10, #68 of 2045 🔗

I agree that seems to be their deluded plan. It may work for a while. Then the vaccinated masses will start to become ill with the South African or some other variant, which like all other previous coronaviruses, successfully mutated themselves to defy a vaccine. Then we will be back in this dreaded cycle of lockdowns forever.

336318 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to FrankiiB, 13, #69 of 2045 🔗

The ADE reaction is a real possibility with the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine. Nature could save us here, I can foresee a new strain of an existing wild coronavirus, which would ordinarily be no worse than a common cold, causing real problems.

337268 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to FrankiiB, 9, #70 of 2045 🔗

The vaccinated masses may become terminally within a year or so after taking the jab, because it is ‘highly likely’ this is what the vaccines are intended to do.

They won’t want anyone to escape their needle, as it would soon become evident that the vaccines were the real cause of the masses dropping like swatted flies.

So the pressure to get vaccinated will be intense and the greater this pressure the more we can be assured, that the vaccines will be intentionally harmful and most probably are genocidal.

337847 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Rowan, 2, #71 of 2045 🔗

We must resist getting this vaccine.

338264 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Janette, 2, #72 of 2045 🔗

Indeed it must be resisted by all manner of means. There can be no valid reason to voluntarily accept being injected with one of these toxic concoctions. Work, holidays, travel, leisure activities and etc are never going to compensate for the near certainty, that the Covid vaccines are intentionally genocidal.

336497 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Richard O, 1, #73 of 2045 🔗

I have wondered that too Richard.

336932 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Richard O, 13, #74 of 2045 🔗

They can force us by denying medical and dental care, schooling, jobs, travel, money. My own much needed surgery (private since the NHS have put it off indefinitely) which was supposed to be in 2 weeks is off unless I have a PCR test. I have had previous nasal surgery and have scar tissue but ‘no PCR, no surgery’. I can see a time when we are refused a GP or dentist if unvaccinated. We might even be under house arrest. I am now at the end of my tether and can’t face much more. The pitchfork brigade are getting nastier and more vocal by the day. I feel, at 68, that I am one accident away from a DNAR.

338065 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Richard O, 2, #75 of 2045 🔗

I agree. You will be let out of your hutch if you accept the v or doors will be welded.

336284 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 6, #76 of 2045 🔗

This is a lockdown debate from October between Dr Neil Rau and Dr Nili Kaplan-Myrth. https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1798547011967

I don’t know what his comments have to do with her being a woman. He said that she ‘wasn’t talking but was shouting’ which she took as being feminist slander to which he rolled his eyes. I’m a feminist lefty whatever but I rolled my eyes with him. She somehow turned it into an issue about feminism which the Washington Post amongst others covered. Her weak arguments aren’t discussed but rather that he ‘mainsplained’ to her.
https://twitter.com/nilikm/status/1311795870724239360

336335 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Caramel, 8, #77 of 2045 🔗

That’s an avoidance tactic – like calling somebody a conspiracy theorist.

336286 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #78 of 2045 🔗

Covid 19: ‘Get out of jail free’ for governments, particularly those with badly performing health services.

Let us not forget, at the height of the raging mutant shape shifter that is ‘Kent Covid’, 15500 lorry drivers tested in Kent, only 36 positive tests, by Lateral Flow Test (LFT)

Two youngsters sharing a flat, both with mild colds, one took the PCR test, result positive, the other took the LFT: result negative

Hmmmm

Lockdown is clearly not what is required

Reform of the NHS and its associated shaman self licking lollipop societies is what is required:

‘…hospital planning need not be a government function at all’

https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/CC_What%20are%20we%20afraid%20of_web_3.pdf

‘Like the NHS, SHI (social health insurance) systems also achieve universal access to healthcare, albeit in a different way, namely through a combination of means-tested insurance premium subsidies, community rating and risk structure compensation. Unlike in the US, there is therefore no uninsured population (even homeless people have health insurance), and there is no such thing as a ‘medical bankruptcy’. When it comes to providing high-quality healthcare to the poor, these systems are second to none: in this respect, there is nothing the NHS has achieved which the SHI systems have not also achieved. In terms of outcomes, quality and efficiency, social health insurance systems are consistently ahead of the NHS on almost every available measure.’

https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Niemietz-NHS-Interactive.pdf

336702 ▶▶ John001, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #79 of 2045 🔗

Mentioning the IEA – they would say that, wouldn’t they – repels the ~50% who count themselves as left-wing (on the economy) and detest the IEA.

Let’s keep to the unlawful loss of our civil liberties.

I’ve just turned off R4 again which is in propaganda/’vaccinate the world’ mode. If anyone wants to go on You & Yours live at 12.15 h, tel 03700 100 444, I assume you lie about your views and then become honest when you’re on air. But do be polite and coherent in the R4 way …

336287 Viv, replying to Viv, 1, #80 of 2045 🔗

You might like to look at the lovely graph in this report in the DM, showing how ‘the virus’ behaved in Wales:

336289 ▶▶ Viv, replying to Viv, 2, #81 of 2045 🔗

Gah – more coffee needed! I pressed the enter button too quickly …
Here’s the link , and marvel at the cleverness of ‘the virus’. No, don’t ask if just perhaps not many people were tested during the Christmas holidays …

336296 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Viv, 28, #82 of 2045 🔗

I know someone who helped to test the marooned lorry drivers. His group tested 3000 tests, had 3 positives.
Wonderful how the numbers crash down when it’s in the Fascists’ interests that they should do so.

336299 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Annie, 12, #83 of 2045 🔗

Exactly the same phenomena when LFT tests used in Liverpool, Merthyr, Cambridge Uni. High levels with PCR, 25% of that with LFT.

336315 ▶▶▶▶▶ adamsson, replying to NickR, 14, #84 of 2045 🔗

Which is why schools are closed rather than mass testing it would have revealed the truth

336539 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to adamsson, 7, #85 of 2045 🔗

And also why the LF test is being discredited because it doesn’t produce the results ‘they’ need it to

336290 Annie, replying to Annie, 23, #86 of 2045 🔗

Fir Christians – and others – the series of podcasts by the Irfeverends are always worth hearing.
Don’t confuse the C of E Irreverends with the prayer group from Georgetown, USA, who hog the search engines. Our Irreverends are two covid-sceptical English clergymen who debate the lockdown tyranny from a Christian viewpoint, but talking sense in a general way as well. They issue regular podcasts and it’s worth saving the link, because as aforesaid, they are hard to find through search engines. (Now why could that be, I wonder?)
In the latest podcast, made just before the newest outrage, Jamie Franklin raises a devastatingly simple, but absolutely crucial point.
The speculations and predictions that are used to terrify the sheeples are NOT REAL.
NOT REAL .
The loneliness of old people, the agonies of cancer sufferers, the suicidal despair of people whose lives have been wrecked, the children whose life chances have been thrown away, all the vile consequences of lockdown, these are REAL. But the mesmerised victims can no longer see what’s real. Reality has been hi-jacked.
We need to draw people’s attention to what is REAL.

https://podcasts.apple.com/ru/podcast/irreverend-faith-and-current-affairs/id1528967755

336302 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Annie, 14, #87 of 2045 🔗

Great to hear that there are still some remnants of true Christianity in the C of E. You can’t fool all the people all of the time.

That is such an important observation. All the data that led to lockdowns 1, 2 and 3 has been based on theoretical modelling (that for lockdowns 1 and 2 was shown to be wildly inaccurate within a matter of weeks).

336320 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Richard O, 24, #88 of 2045 🔗

The NHS is our new state religion, the face-mask its crucifix. The fixed penalty notice is the modern version of the Spanish Inquisition. As far as I could see the essence of Uberfuhrer Johnson’s dismal apology of an address to the nation was to base the need for this lock-down on saving the NHS in time for him to claim victory and do well in the May elections.
The NHS in its present form should go and be replace by a very different model but I doubt any UK politician would really tackle this issue,

336608 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #89 of 2045 🔗

If they hold the elections this year. 50-50 chance of that IMO.

336633 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #90 of 2045 🔗

Yes social media is the new confession box, forgive me Google for i have sinned. Ironic the pig dictator preaching from a pulpit. Was anyone else swearing at the TV when the glorious leader said we have all suffered. How have you suffered you fat bustard, you are on full pay, can go where you like and you cannot see the death and destruction you are causing.

336646 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #91 of 2045 🔗

Dance dance wherever you may be
Lords and ladies of the Tiktok are we

336303 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Annie, 4, #92 of 2045 🔗

I like this lockdown sceptical pastor. This tweet made me smile though I’m far from religious. https://twitter.com/ReganBlntonKing/status/1346150903385116672

336339 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Caramel, 7, #93 of 2045 🔗

The vaccine as ‘an injectable Messiah’ is absolutely spot on. Come to save us, Hallelujah.

336577 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Annie, 2, #94 of 2045 🔗

Spot on Annie

fear = false evidence appearing real

The covidians are all starring roles (not actors) in the worst disaster movie ever and cannot see anything or anyone that isn’t in their scenes

336292 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 31, #95 of 2045 🔗

The plan is simple: Destroy the economy, cripple the education, bankrupt the country! Any further questions?

336297 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TheClone, 20, #96 of 2045 🔗

Yes.
Why?

336298 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Annie, 4, #97 of 2045 🔗

Take the vaccine or else. It’s just a little prick.

336332 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 5, #98 of 2045 🔗

It?
You mean who?

336309 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Annie, 9, #99 of 2045 🔗

As the para said when asked why he was bashing his head against a brick wall:

‘It’s nice when I stop’

All this will stop as the May elections approach….and then we will be expected to be grateful…….

As the bystander said to the para:

‘Good luck with that’

336343 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Annie, 8, #100 of 2045 🔗

So they can build back better

336376 ▶▶▶ CaptainG, replying to Annie, 14, #101 of 2045 🔗

Communism- destroy small businesses and put everyone into debt. They want total control over the population by forcing everyone to become a ward of the state, which is basically enslavement. This time it will be impossible to escape once they have health passports and digital currency. We are heading rapidly towards a Chinese-style social credit system.

336293 stewart, replying to stewart, 43, #102 of 2045 🔗

There is a reason why Roosevelt warned his people that the only thing they had to fear was fear itself. It is self consuming.

Fear is running wild in Britain and the world and it is consuming the population.

336468 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to stewart, 19, #103 of 2045 🔗

I’m not so sure if it is fear for most people, other than those that believe that they are at genuine risk. Deep down I think most people know that they’re not at risk – primarily because they don’t behave in ways that evidence this.
If this was a genuine pandemic we would KNOW 100% without a doubt because we’d all wear proper N95 masks and genuinely only venture outside for necessity. We’ve have real shortages of everything, power cuts, martial law. There wouldn’t be silly exceptions for takeaways/premier league football/disabled sport/international travel. Most key workers wouldn’t be risking their lives eg dinner ladies, mechanics, bus drivers, they’d stay at home bar a few medics like those that work for MSF.
We wouldn’t need ANY of the 300 odd ridiculous new statutory instruments because people would do these things voluntarily, instinctively even. Survival of the fittest. The Gov slogan would be Keep Calm and Carry On and the media propaganda would be POSITIVE. We’d be making all our own vaccines here in the UK as overseas they’d be hijacked, and people would be clambering to get one on the black market.

Anyway, what people are after is to reassert CONTROL. Our word has become uncertain and unbalanced and some people are tuned to control the things they can control in order to feel better, inc. controlling others. It doesn’t matter so much about stagflation, cancer, no education, lack of freedom and fun if you can alleviate that stress by ALL JUST FOLLOWING THE RULES.

336924 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #104 of 2045 🔗

In wartime the media typically work to reduce anxiety, even suppressing true news that is bad for morale. The Japanese public, for example, were not told they had lost the Battle of Midway in 1942, and survivors of the battle were mostly sequestered, information quarantined if you will, when they got back to Japan so they would not tell people what had happened. Japan was a dictatorship, but in WW1 news of the “Spanish Flu” was widely suppressed in the warring nations, democratic or not, because it was bad for morale. It was 1919, peacetime, when it began to be widely reported.
Whereas here the media have encouraged panic.

337359 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Waldorf, 3, #105 of 2045 🔗

Because people who are scared do stupid things. Like not questioning “cases” or covid death numbers. Just speak comforts to me Boris. We had a zoom call with our best mates. I said why worry about a mild seasonal virus that is only deadly to the very old. My mate chirped up with i would not call 500 deaths a day minor virus. I said I would not call 500 deaths a day in winter much at all considering about 1,800 people normally die a day in winter. I then got the kick under the desk from my wife to say I had to stop speaking. As Alistair MacLean wrote, fear is the key.

338050 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Waldorf, 1, #106 of 2045 🔗

Absolutely. Isn’t that why it was called Spanish flu – because it was around for a couple of years already until it spread to Spain which was the first place without wartime censorship?

337743 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #107 of 2045 🔗

There was one thing which was massive red flag for me and that was the government having to resort to draconian legislation telling people what they can’t or can do. As SweetBabyCheese said people would voluntarily take precauations if there was clear evidence of a dangerous and contagious disease around. Having to resort to draconian legislation indicates there was no visible threat that would make people take precautions. If you didn’t read the papers,watch TV or read anything about covid in the internet, there are no signs we are in a pandemic. We don’t see people dying in droves or surviving but becoming ill and nobody knows anyone with covid. There is nothing to make you think *there is a dangerous disease about. I must be careful.” The draconian legislation enacted by the government was a psychological trick to make people think there is a dangerous and contagious disease about.

You don’t need draconian laws to make people avoid danger. Common sense dicates it is not a good idea to jump into a burning building. You wouldn’t need a law making it illegal to do this.

338059 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Ianric, #108 of 2045 🔗

Hell yes! It’s almost like people don’t want to die and are pretty good at working it out for themselves.
SBC

336295 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 14, #109 of 2045 🔗

Interesting figures from analysing Worldometer, which demonstrates the total death figure per jurisdiction is driven strongly by the total number of tests, far more than even the population of the country – now clearly tests aren’t killing people, but this means that COVID isn’t either in a large number of cases – it is a clear indication that a huge number of the deaths within 28 days of a positive test are not deaths from COVID. The correlation still holds (see scatter graph below) if you square root both figures to mitigate the overwhelming impact of the very large countries (e.g. USA, China, India).

Correlations by jurisdiction (all countries over 40 million population):

Total deaths to total tests: 0.7211

Total deaths to population: 0.236

Deaths/ million to tests/ million: 0.681

336308 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Laurence, 5, #110 of 2045 🔗

Would I be correct in thinking that before this hoo-haa the only death figures we used were the ONS figures of registered deaths? It is strange that we now have these 2 contrasting official sources of death data ONS and NHS. At least the ONS figures put the total alongside the 5 year average so that you get some context.

336732 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #111 of 2045 🔗

Yes, but the problem with the 5 year average is that the population over 70 (which covers around 80% of deaths) has grown by around 8% in the last three years, so you need to adjust for this otherwise the excess death figure is hugely overestimated. If you look at the ONS figures they also show an Age Adjusted Mortality Rate each month which is very helpful, and the Institute of Actuaries have published their estimate of excess deaths for the year, which I think is overestimated, but not by too much.

336300 PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 15, #112 of 2045 🔗

The reason why we are not cutting the mustard is because we do not focus here on the way the strategy is linked to the vaccine roll out – this has been the purpose of the whole exercise. Prof Ferguson heads the Vaccine Impact Modelling Consortium which is funded by GAVI, the Vaccine Alliance and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation from which it is said to have received $185m between 2006 and 2018 .It remains that the business predicting of epidemics should be so closely bound up to vaccine industry interests, and that this should be cited by government and mainstream journalism as independent advice. Imperial College is expected to bring out its own mRNA vaccine in partnership with CEPI, another Bill Gates front organization some time next year . According to an Imperial report from December 2018 they were already working at the time on combating a COVID look-alike virus called Disease X .

Look also at Prime Minister Johnson’s speech last to the UN where you Gates and GAVI who bankroll Ferguson at the forefront of his obsessions.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-speech-to-un-general-assembly-26-september-2020

336307 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 24, #113 of 2045 🔗

I could not agree more, for me the entire Covid shitshow has been about nothing else other than creating the conditions for mass voluntary uptake of the vaccine, and setting the precedent for multiple vaccines every year thereafter. Tragically the only thing that can stop this now is a high number of severe adverse reactions finally stirring enough people out of their slumber.

336752 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Richard O, 1, #114 of 2045 🔗

That’s it in a nutshell. It was always about the vaccine..

336312 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, #115 of 2045 🔗

Disease X sounds like 1970s disaster B movie.

336345 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to karenovirus, 2, #116 of 2045 🔗

I have a book somewhere called, “Virus X.” I think I bought it after somebody gave me another one called “The Hot Zone.” The latter is about Ebola.

337362 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, #117 of 2045 🔗

Something from fireball XL5 or Thunderbirds.

336322 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 4, #118 of 2045 🔗

All very good an often repeated facts. Also worth going back to Boris’s UN speech from Sept 2019 , strange subject matter almost as though he knew what was in the pipeline and was pleading for a little leniency.

336338 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Bill Grates, 10, #119 of 2045 🔗

Yes, I wrote about this in a letter to BMJ last August: arguably he was preparing the ground within a month of first taking office:

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3099/rr-5

Regarding the Use of the Term “Anti-Vaxxer”
Dear Editor
Thank you Karyse Day [1] for drawing attention to the problem of the bias and intimidation inherent in the term “anti-vaxxer”. The term has been around perhaps since the 19th century but has evolved a new context. Three years ago I drew attention to the remarks of Seth Berkley, director of the vaccine lobby organisation GAVI, in the Spectator proposing that “anti-vaxxers” be excluded from social media, which meant in effect not only that certain people should not be allowed on social media but that criticism of vaccines should not be allowed on a generic basis – an extremely serious matter[2].
Unfortunately, this has also been a hobby-horse of the present Prime Minister. In August last year Reuter’s recorded Boris Johnson as saying [3]:
“I’m afraid people have just been listening to that superstitious mumbo-jumbo on the internet, all that anti-vax stuff…”
On 24 September 2020 he told the UN [4]:
“There are today people who are still actually anti-science, a whole movement called ‘the anti-vaxxers’ who refuse to acknowledge the evidence that vaccinations have eradicated smallpox and who by their prejudices are actually endangering the very children they want to protect.”
By February this year the Sunday Telegraph was reporting [5]:
“Posting anti-vaccine propaganda on social media could become criminal offence, Law Commissioner says
New Law Commissioner Penney Lewis is leading wide-ranging review into whether UK’s offence and abuse laws are fit for the Social Media age…”
And once again the Prime Minister was quoted last month [6]:
“There’s all these anti-vaxxers now,” Johnson told medical workers at a doctor’s surgery in London. “They are nuts, they are nuts.”
While there are a lot of very fed up people I am extremely dubious there is a movement called “the anti-vaxxers” or that they are posting propaganda: at the very best this is a simplistic claim [7,8]. At a time when the government is supposedly trying to earn trust for a range of potential SAR-CoV-2 vaccines the continued disparagement and repression of people who raise questions about a class of products – which after all cannot be inherently safe – speaks for itself. It creates an atmosphere of prejudice and intimidation – such as described in the Cumberlege review [9] and should be seen and understood for what it is.
[1] Karyse Day, ‘Re: Cumberlege review exposes stubborn and dangerous flaws in healthcare’, 25 August 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3099/rr-3
[2] John Stone, ‘ The Shadow War on Disease: Arbitrary, Oppressive and Unaccountable Medicine’, 9 July 2017, https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j2449/rr-13
[3] ‘UK’s Johnson slams ‘mumbo-jumbo’ about vaccines after measles rates rise’, Reuter’s 19 August 2020, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-health/uks-johnson-slams-mumb
[4] United Kingdom – Prime Minister Addresses General Debate, 74th Session (UN 24 September 2019) @ 8.30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf4YEyh7erE&app=desktop
[5] Mike Wright, ‘Posting anti-vaccine propaganda on social media could become criminal offence, Law Commissioner says’, 1 February 2020, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/01/posting-anti-vaccine-propaga
[6] ‘Johnson says anti-vaxxers ‘are nuts”, Reuter’s 24 July 2020, https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-vaccinatio-
[7] John Stone, ‘An appeal to authority is not the same as an appeal to knowledge’, 15 May 2019, https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l2144/rr-0
[8] John Stone, ‘Brave new World’, 17 May 2019, https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l2144/rr-5
[9] Helen Haskell, ‘Cumberlege review exposes stubborn and dangerous flaws in healthcare’
BMJ 2020; 370 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m3099 (Published 06 August 2020)

336653 ▶▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 5, #120 of 2045 🔗

Fabulous information – thanks!
The same tactics are being used strong arming the populace into mask wearing and lockdowns – no debate regarding negative effects tolerated.

I now have, in one family – a case of dry eye, a case of facial eczema and one with worsening asthma. All caused by prolonged mask wearing. None of these adverse health effects are ever mentioned as it’s all to stop the non-existent asymptomatic spread.

336761 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Liewe, 2, #121 of 2045 🔗

And I’m afraid to also worsen the health of the population. If the health authorities cared they’d advise of the risks in mask wearing.

336333 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 26, #122 of 2045 🔗

The government told us this was their strategy way back in May when they unveiled the Covid alert scale.Level 1 had a sub heading,only achievable with a vaccine.
As usual no one was listening.They have revealed their plans all along but they have been dismissed as conspiracy theories.
A new lockdown is no surprise as you only need to follow the money.
When the chancellor extended furlough until March then April it was obvious.
Our government seem blessed with clairvoyance as they knew a mutant strain would come along.
This is our new system,the government will have the right to lock us up on the pretext of a made up threat.This is terrifying.

336346 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #123 of 2045 🔗

Then just ignore it. “They” can only lock us all up if we go along with it.

336410 ▶▶▶▶ CaptainG, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #124 of 2045 🔗

Not so easy if your business is closed. Apparently there is a plan to open all hospitality across Germany next week in protest. If this doesn’t happen- and even if it does economic collapse may be inevitable. This is when they “offer” debt forgiveness, UBI and digital currency- but only in exchange for all your private property and freedoms. So not so easy to just ignore….

336481 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to CaptainG, 3, #125 of 2045 🔗

I do wonder if there’s anything in this idea promulgated that “They” plan to do debt forgiveness in return for stealing our property. That’s one recipe for a 3 tier society (ie instead of a 2 tier one as at present). Instead of Rich and Rest-of-us we could find Rich, (rather depleted) Rest-of-us and those that were driven into debt by Lockdown (ie rather than their own money management skills or lack of). So there would still be the Rest-of-us category in the middle (ie those of us that can’t be driven into debt – because our income is secure one way or another – eg because it’s pension, rather than salary). Only too thankful personally that my income is pension and I can therefore “cover” any debt I have and it will soon be gone.

336526 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to ElizaP, 4, #126 of 2045 🔗

World Economic Forum 2030 Predictions – Part Of The Great Reset “You’ll own nothing. And you’ll be happy”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=046Rsn2wkSM

336472 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #127 of 2045 🔗

Absolutely! Go along with also means stopping condemning the rest of us whenever we actually manage to get something resembling a Life. There’s a local Facebook page specifically meant for putting up beautiful nature photos of the county etc and the admins have clearly had a lot of problems with Covidian trolls popping up going “You SHOULDNT have been OUT!!!” any time someone posts of a nice walk or something they went on. Some posters pre-empt them by adding a “This is a walk I went for pre-Lockdown” comment to take the venom out of the trolls’ mouths before they spit it out. It’s things like that on the one hand.
On the other hand – I’ve found even people who know me will occasionally try and act like Lockdown police and a recent supermarket encounter, for instance, was woman-I-know going “How do you GET AWAY WITH not wearing a mask?” thrown at me. I had the right response to that and she scuttled off tail between her legs LOL – but it’s another example of the masses “going along with” Lockdown. So the Covidians at least need to learn to “live and let live” before this will stop.

336758 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #128 of 2045 🔗

I’ve ignored every petty restriction but I can’t do my normal job and partake in my normal social activities

337371 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #129 of 2045 🔗

Yes all meeting on Brighton beach and chatting was not helping the vaccine rhetoric. So lockdown, close pubs, no meeting. Then ze cherry on ze top! Mutant strain. (Heroes in a half shell). Now all I hear is blah blah blah, normal, blah blah blah, after the vaccine. Do you think we will have to say 2021 AV?

336356 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 9, #130 of 2045 🔗

This is the whole MO of BigPharma. Create a money-spinning drug, then conjure up a ‘disease’ for it to ‘cure’. Kerching.

336442 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to kh1485, 8, #131 of 2045 🔗

No you’ve missed an important point. Big Pharma doesn’t like cures – they’d rather come up with some ongoing medication that will help people live with the condition. (One of the reasons why they’ve had to redefine the purpose of the vaccine is that they’d rather like the opportunity to sell us all annual or biannual Covid jabs.)

336506 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sceptical Steve, 6, #132 of 2045 🔗

I haven’t missed an important point at all, that’s the exact point I was making, hence the inverted commas. I know, BigPharma actively promote chronic illness and I know that from tragic personal experience. They don’t give a flying f*ck about health.

337353 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to kh1485, 3, #133 of 2045 🔗

Forgive me for not spotting the nuance. In the same vein, I remember having a conversation with one of my old university buddies about asthma. Being young and naive, I suggested the growth in childhood cases of asthma was connected to the relative cleanliness of our children’s lives. My chum, who worked for Ciba Geigy, explained that the growth in asthma cases was entirely because CG had introduced a drug to manage its symptoms. Prior to that, there was no point in a doctor diagnosing childhood asthma because he had no available treatment. However, with the availability of the new drug, all that had changed, and so the number of reported cases of childhood asthma rocketed, along with CG’s share price!

336379 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 11, #134 of 2045 🔗

The reason we are not “cutting the mustard” is that the pro lockdown side has outspent sceptics by a million to one and they have the media, opposition and institutions on their side, almost everywhere in the world

Regarding the vaccine rollout being the purpose of the whole exercise, I am very doubtful – I can see how it benefits Big Pharma who are no doubt powerful but not big enough to bring this off – though I am sure Big Pharma are trying to influence things in their direction and succeeding. I still think mass hysteria and political cowardice and love of the easy power that governing by fear gives you are the least implausible explanations, but if you want a more exotic one I think it’s more to do with the WEF, the CCP, the Great Reset, technocratic globalism and control freakery.

People are afraid for themselves and afraid of killing granny so they are going to be pro-vaccine because of that. I still think the first step is to convince people that they have no good reason to be so afraid – once people are thinking rationally again, they will be receptive to further arguments about any agenda behind what’s happening.

336485 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Julian, 10, #135 of 2045 🔗

Big Pharma and front organisations like WEF, WHO,GAVI,CEPI are all part of the same global complex.

336399 ▶▶ CaptainG, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 13, #136 of 2045 🔗

the vaccine is a key part but the ultimate goal is total digital surveillance- the vaccine with health passports, along with digital currency, 5G and the internet of things.

336463 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to CaptainG, 5, #137 of 2045 🔗

You’re right and that’s why to defeat them it will be easy. All that needs doing is talking out their communication systems, towers, masts etc.

336945 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 7, #138 of 2045 🔗

They tried it before with CJD and H1N1. This time a weak and stupid PM with too much power and not enough brains let the enemy in the back door.

336301 danny, 68, #139 of 2045 🔗

Most recent mortality figures across Europe puts France, Germany and the UK on roughly the 400 mark. France lower, Germany 500. UK 400.
They are roughly comparable.
But then look at the “positive” cases. France 4000, Germany 8000…. the UK? 58,000!!!
The UK tests more then most other counties combined, then uses the results of those tests to become hysterical.
Lifting the floorboards every day to count spiders does not mean they do not exist in the house that does not. What matters is the end result, namely fatalities. I get so sick of hearing everyone from Boris to the man in the street talk about “how bad it is here now” and then testing themselves when they have a cold. Stop fucking testing.

336304 Laurence, 8, #140 of 2045 🔗

Two demonstrations (if any were needed) of the effects of Lockdown i.e none at all other than where it is done very early and merely delays the deaths by a few months (e.g Germany, Poland, Lithuania etc)

336305 Laurence, 5, #141 of 2045 🔗

And in Europe

336306 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #142 of 2045 🔗

‘If four or more people that you trust independently tell you the same thing, that is like God talking…..’

‘There are therefore three datasets all showing a second wave that begins in September, peaks two weeks later and returns to baseline by the end of September:

1. PHE Notifiable Infectious Disease

2. Community symptom tracking

3. NHS triage classification of patients

There are two other diagnostic tests for COVID:

1. Lateral flow tests which test for viral proteins that form part of the viral particles themselves

2. Antibody testing which confirm infection two to five weeks afterwards

Again two sources of data, lateral flow testing and antibody testing concur and contradict results from PCR testing.

Could it be that reports of Notifiable Infectious Diseases – being filtered by the need for symptoms to gain the attention of GPs – are actually a more representative measure, at least in terms of trends, of “real” COVID-19 than PCR testing?’

https://www.pandata.org/wp-content/uploads/PANDAArticles-The-PHE-data-that-goes-against-the-narrative.pdf

Yes it could……..

The remedy to all this mallarkey is simple: NHS reform

‘hospital planning need not be a government function at all……’

https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/CC_What%20are%20we%20afraid%20of_web_3.pdf

336311 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #143 of 2045 🔗

I would agree that reform of the NHS is now urgent and necessary but I suspect that any politician who tries to challenge the sacred and blessed NHS will be committing electoral suicide

336334 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #144 of 2045 🔗

Complete and total reform of the health service is part of the agenda, please research the NHS management websites and associated quango websites. Here’s a taste from our busy friends over at the WEF
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Governance_of_Chatbots_in_Healthcare_2020.pdf

social service reform on all fronts is also planned

336388 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bill Grates, 2, #145 of 2045 🔗

Reform in the sense of making it worse (Hutber’s Law) I assume. NHS/Moloch is immortal and will always “be back”. Too many jobs depend on it, those of the NHS apparatchiks and politicians.

336618 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #146 of 2045 🔗

Having just experienced a total sh*tshow of NHS tomfoolery with a family member i have decided that Amazon or Tesco could take over running of the NHS.
The frontline doctors and nurses do their jobs well, excellently mostly in my experience. But the back office box tickers are appalling and are like huge bits of grit in the cogs of the machine. Frankly all none front line staff should go.

336314 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 66, #147 of 2045 🔗

Just caught a bit of JHB eviscerating some NHS functionary. Apparently, there are 2,000 people very seriously ill on ventilators which, according to NHS F, is “huuuuuuuuuuge”. I accept it’s awful for them and their families but I don’t call 2,000 out of a population of > 67m, ‘huge’.

JHB then went on to ask if she could provide us with figures to show those people who are seriously ill with just COVID (not tested positive and in with another serious illness, but ill exclusively with COVID). “No” says the NHS F because it is not simply a “binary” question. Why not and why is it not easy to provide this information? I suggest NHS F, it’s because it’s not politically expedient, that’s why. You know it, I know it and everyone else bloody knows it. The difference between you and I, NHS F, is that you are still getting paid. I would also suggest that if you are complicit in mandating killing off the entire economy, the least you can do is provide accurate information.

336321 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to kh1485, 22, #148 of 2045 🔗

JHB is very pro-vaccine, but in all other areas has been extremely solid, particularly in recent months. A valuable remnant from the old school of journalism.

336329 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Richard O, 19, #149 of 2045 🔗

Yes, that’s been my one issue with her, especially when she said she had become “emotional” at the roll-out of the vaccine. But like you say, have to give her credit, especially today, she really did try to pin down the slippery NHS functionary.

336435 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 6, #150 of 2045 🔗

Even Homer nods, she’s also a TDS sufferer but basically pretty sound.

336348 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Richard O, 27, #151 of 2045 🔗

Yes, what I’ve found over the months is that not all Lockdown Sceptic are aligned on every facet of this shitshow facical government-led catastrophe …. for example, I believe Lord Sumpton thinks masks are fine, and Mark Dolan (Talk Radio) thinks we should all follow the law, even if it is non-sensible … two views I disagree with. But to be honest, I’d take *any* publically facing support rallying against the madness at the moment, and simply hope that those of us who disagree on some of the not-so-minor points still respect the opinions of others. Something severely lacking with zero-risk lockdown myopic zealots.

336818 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richard O, 5, #152 of 2045 🔗

She said she wouldn’t let her daughter have it – so there’s that

336375 ▶▶ houdini, replying to kh1485, 20, #153 of 2045 🔗

Talk radio has now been censored and removed from you tube live and many recorded clips are blocked
No doubt for exposing truth in violation of you tube (Google’s)) policies

336387 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to houdini, 6, #154 of 2045 🔗

Censorship … it was an enevitability. Can still listen on other platforms – discussion above/below.

336426 ▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to kh1485, 10, #155 of 2045 🔗

Did she ask how many people were on ventilators this time in 2019 and whether the same or more people were on ventilators at any other time in recent history?

As ever, selective and scary data just gets quoted by these functionaries with zero context.

if one goes to a cemetery it can be super scary too – every 20 minutes a burial or a cremation. Until you realise this happens every day and is just normal. The news coverage of Covid (with limited exceptions such as TalkRadio) has been the equivalent of a permanent web cam at the cemetery.

336531 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Stephensceptic, 6, #156 of 2045 🔗

She probably did but I didn’t catch the whole interview (the bit I did catch was enough to send my blood pressure soaring!). Yes, I’m afraid, this woman is just indicative of a certain ‘type’ within the public sector, no doubt paid gazillions to parrot the party line.

337390 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kh1485, 3, #157 of 2045 🔗

So a simple question dear sacred nhs, What did they come into the hospital With? Let’s start there. You know when the ambulance arrived or via triage. What was on that paper, that you registered on your fucking computer system. I know databases are hard to use but…..

336316 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 7, #158 of 2045 🔗

RIP Democracy. Long live Communism.

336330 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 11, #159 of 2045 🔗

It isn’t communism, it’s terrorism.

336623 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to PatrickF, 5, #160 of 2045 🔗

Technocracy.

336822 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PatrickF, 2, #161 of 2045 🔗

Coronunism
It’s a brand new chimera of the worst of all sides

336317 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 28, #162 of 2045 🔗

15th January 2021

Pig dictator announces level 6 from midnight

‘ It breaks my heart to tell you selfish bastards that you have failed level five. Level 6 will require the total eradication of the population by the 1st February

I know I can count on your support

You will finally achieve my goal saving the NHS

On the plus side the virus will be eradicated and the pubs and schools will be allowed to reopen

We topped Matt a few hours ago as there was no further need for him. He was grinning at the end and agreed it was for the best

So it’s goodnight from me and goodnight for you’

336412 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 2, #163 of 2045 🔗

Film Doomsday where they barricaded virused up Scotland and blockaded it by sea so they could eat each other to save fascist government England.
After that it’s just a silly cross between Mad Max and The Warriors.

336450 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Cecil B, 1, #164 of 2045 🔗

Ok, you go first then Al.

336628 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cecil B, 1, #165 of 2045 🔗

The only solution will be to nuke the planet from space. Final scene will be a spaceship carrying Ferguson, Whitty et al of to a distant planet. After taking their vaccine.

337402 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to thinkaboutit, #166 of 2045 🔗

Its like one of the hitchhikers guide books, where they sent all their middle managers, security guards and phone sanitizers on board a spaceship to save the planet. Er why is the ship programmed to crash land? I Don’t remember, you are a useless bunch of that’s. Yes! that was the reason!

336323 PatrickF, 15, #167 of 2045 🔗

How do you know you have either CV 19, or the super mutant Ninja virus?
If you exhale a green gas, you have it. If there is a green slime on your hand you have it.
NHS adverts confirm this.

336324 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 78, #168 of 2045 🔗

This is the ultimate test of the public’s compliance. They locked us down over Whitty & Vallance’s infamous scary charts in November, well the roads & parks were as busy as ever. Nobody took any notice. Now, we have the mutant strain to terrify the masses into submission. If we soon start to hear of police forces creaking under the sheer weight of people flouting the “stay at home” message, then we’ll know the game is up. It will be a huge embarrassment to the government – Project Fear has lost its power, “protect the NHS” has lost its charm, lockdowns will be completely unenforceable.

Don’t be surprised then if the tyranny is dialed up even further over the coming weeks – curfews, demands to see your papers, TSG thugs patrolling city centres itching for a fight. They can never escape the enormous hole they’ve dug for themselves – it’s only a matter of time before it caves in and buries them all.

336327 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Scotty87, 24, #169 of 2045 🔗

Hope so, I’ll kick some dirt into the hole.

336492 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 5, #170 of 2045 🔗

Oh I’ll dance on their graves LOL. Have had precisely a few minutes of dancing (ie illicitly right in the High Street – in front of a crowd) since this whole thing started. So lot’s of pent-up dance energy to release.

336361 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Scotty87, 10, #171 of 2045 🔗

Mass vaccination is their escape tunnel (by claiming that we’ve all been saved) they hope.

336728 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Scotty87, 8, #172 of 2045 🔗

About to make a long non essential drive down the motorway so will let you know his the roads are looking.

336325 Hubes, 6, #173 of 2045 🔗

Leave your house. End lives.

336326 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 16, #174 of 2045 🔗

When did you guys figure this all out? For me it was the from the first article that I read back in February about the grey suited man who had died in Wuhan.

336331 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Caramel, 25, #175 of 2045 🔗

In March

1 – the data back from Italy showing it was the super old dying

2 – the Bristol paper showing lockdowns worse than covid

3 – Ferguson’s paper 9 which was a disgrace

everything I’ve read since has just reaffirmed my views

336368 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to steve_w, 8, #176 of 2045 🔗

Yes, the risk of the ‘rona being the same as the risk of life (slightly better in fact!) and the dial hasn’t moved since.

336370 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to steve_w, 4, #177 of 2045 🔗

Which is the Bristol paper? I read just about everything though ignored the ridiculous predictions of overflowing hospitals and dizzyingly high deaths. The IFR was estimated to be about .5 back in March.

336406 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Caramel, 4, #178 of 2045 🔗

this one I think

http://www.jvalue.co.uk/papers/J-value-assessment-of-combating-Covid-19.pdf

basically even if ferguson is correct and we save 500,000 lives through lockdown, qaly deaths will be higher if recession is worse than 2008

336336 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Caramel, 25, #179 of 2045 🔗

I was sceptical of the sensationalist coverage, particularly in the BBC, of the “initial” outbreak in China in January. Remember those maps of China covered in varying shades of red for what was an absolutely minuscule proportion of the Chinese population?

As soon as the MSM started opposing the government’s initial herd immunity policy, and clamouring for the first lockdown (some time in mid-March as I recall), I knew something was terribly wrong, and that this was going all the way.

336337 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Caramel, 28, #180 of 2045 🔗

I haven’t believed any of it from day one. Perhaps that’s because I’m hugely distrustful of authority.

336351 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Caramel, 24, #181 of 2045 🔗

I thought it was all rubbish from the beginning then when I watched London turn into an apocalyptic film set I began to think there maybe something in it,but while at home I realised that I wasn’t watching news but propaganda.Then I found sources to back up my feeling that I was being lied to.

336352 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Caramel, 8, #182 of 2045 🔗

When I spotted Corona.film trailer. Bit windy about infecting my neighbours at first until a little research showed it was all balls.

336353 ▶▶ eptwll, replying to Caramel, 5, #183 of 2045 🔗

In March when average age of death in Ireland was consistently at 82.

336357 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Caramel, 39, #184 of 2045 🔗

Data from the Diamond Princess, early March.
not everyone caught it, and very few died. So not the new Black Death then.

336363 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to sophie123, 16, #185 of 2045 🔗

The defining moment most ignored. Very telling!

336386 ▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Nick Rose, 13, #186 of 2045 🔗

Oh the proponents of lockdowns used the Diamond Princess as an example that lockdowns work because people were confined to their rooms. Never mind that they had been mingling beforehand in close quarters and breathing the same recycled air.

336360 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Caramel, 18, #187 of 2045 🔗

Basic attitude of mine: the more lurid
the headline or article, the bigger the lie.

That’s whether from MSM, government, somebody with a placard screeching in Hyde Park, or even some posters on websites and comment sections.

Never failed me yet.

336455 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #188 of 2045 🔗

I have a similar thing where i just reverse what they are saying and it’s always what they really mean. They think they can say what they think we want to hear but those of us with a smidgin of brain matter still working can see right through them. I reckon when the death squads come round the streets they’ll be looking for me and others on this site, not the lefty ones though, they know them people are complying muppets and are no threat to anyone. No it’s those who live life from their own efforts and don’t believe we are our brothers keeper that will be removed from society first. I won’t go down without a fight though

336372 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Caramel, 25, #189 of 2045 🔗

The fact that worldwide lockdowns have never, ever been tried before in the history of humanity for a disease. Covid-19 would have to be pretty severe for worldwide lockdowns to be justifiable, and even then they would have to be strictly time-limited. There is no data to show that Covid-19 is a world-ending pandemic.

Plus, the fact that no cost-benefit analysis was ever done, even way back in February/March (and still has not been done at any point) was what made me realise that this is a total scam.

336374 ▶▶ Rabbit, replying to Caramel, 15, #190 of 2045 🔗

More or less from the beginning, I was a little concerned for the first couple of weeks or so of the first lockdown and was only reading and watching MSM. Seemed clear it was only elderly and very ill being impacted but nothing particularly worse than any other year. Found this site fortunately after looking around for something that was reporting real facts.

Never went out and clapped like a seal as well!

336380 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Caramel, 16, #191 of 2045 🔗

It has taken me months to get to here. I still to this day am surprised about the gullibity of intelligent people.
I wish I could say I figured it out earlier but I can honestly say I never stopped looking for the truth.

336419 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Just about sane, 13, #192 of 2045 🔗

I respect that you were able to change your mind and glad that you’re here.

336392 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Caramel, 16, #193 of 2045 🔗

I’m a terrible hypochondriac by nature so was pretty nervous at the start, decided to find out if my worries were justified. The more I looked, the more it appeared they were not.

Also read arguments by Hitchens and others on the value of liberty and tend to think that even if Ferguson’s 500,000 prediction had been accurate, lockdowns were not justified

336416 ▶▶ Carmen B, replying to Caramel, 10, #194 of 2045 🔗

Very early on, March I believe, when I read about what a coronavirus was. A chest cold for which there is no direct cure and for which there is no vaccine and which spreads just like any other cold. My husband is a data wonk, he crunched some early numbers here in Aus and said WTF? Since then we’ve just watched in disbelief, wondering how people can be so fearful and stupid.

336443 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Carmen B, 3, #195 of 2045 🔗

I’m from Aus as well. I didn’t use models but back in March I estimated the death toll for Aus and was right. They were predicting 10s of 1,000s of deaths with lockdown.

I had read up about coronaviruses and was googling each new symptom to see if the flu also would lead to that.

336424 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Caramel, 13, #196 of 2045 🔗

Two to three weeks into lockdown 1, out and about as key worker talking to medics among others.
Seeing ambulances charging around empty roads with sirens blaring for no good reason except to engender fear in the locked in home population.

336602 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to karenovirus, 5, #197 of 2045 🔗

Yes – what was that all about? Why would ambulance drivers do that and yet none of them have explained this since – any drivers on here? We need to know wtf was going on..

336433 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Caramel, 11, #198 of 2045 🔗

Took me a bit longer. Probably end April until I found this site and read the Ferguson articles, then I got up to speed v v quickly. And then after a while, I realised we’ve lived in a faux democracy, well, forever. That was more of a shocker tbh, mini-breakdown moment! But at least I can navigate life with more clarity.

336527 ▶▶ jos, replying to Caramel, 5, #199 of 2045 🔗

A bit of research into the massively high pollution levels in Lombardy where many people had died of pneumonia just a few months earlier followed by a huge spike of very high pm2.5 pollution in Southern England so bad that (locked down in a small flat in London) I was scared for my life – yet it wasn’t mentioned anywhere.. And the April peak still remains the highest point of this whole ‘pandemic’ (it was just a couple of days after Cummings escaped London) – so the fact that the facts were ignored flagged up this whole massive lie for me..

336760 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Caramel, 7, #200 of 2045 🔗

Yes as soon as I read that the age of people affected was over average life expectancy, I was done with the rona narrative.

337229 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Caramel, 5, #201 of 2045 🔗

Nothing really to figure out for me. You simply do not take away peoples basic rights and freedoms as a means of disease control in free societies. Apart from the liberty aspect, it’s unnecessary as people will automatically adjust their behaviour to match the risk. The fact that the government has to use heavy-handed policing, huge fines and censorship to try and enforce these measures indicates the relatively low threat of the virus. If this was the Black Death or Ebola all of these things would be unnecessary.

337455 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Caramel, 2, #202 of 2045 🔗

Because of the measures, locking down the fit and healthy? Made me suspicious, then not protecting the old. Then not seeing or hearing about anyone getting ill. Then I saw Delores Cahill on computing forever with Dave Cullen. And here we are nearly a year later doing exactly the same shit and still the muggles believe!!

336328 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 22, #203 of 2045 🔗

I think we’ve done all we can do I’ve been on the marches, written to my MP every week and tried to inform those who are capable of independent thought.

We are locked down until lots are vaccinated/the virus is suppressed by the season. They will then claim victory.

336350 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to steve_w, 22, #204 of 2045 🔗

I wonder if something happened to us when we were young? young children always seem to ask why? what? how? and the people on this site still seem to have this trait which seems to have been lost by so many. Now when someone feels a bit flu like they say oh I must get a test and I say why?’you don’t need a weather-man to know which way the wind blows’ and they look blank, it has not crossed their minds to ask why. Gruppenfuhrer Hancock says get a test and I get a test.
How come we are all so awkward and keep asking questions and challenging everything?

336429 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #205 of 2045 🔗

I turned into a scientist at the age of 7 and have been one ever since!

336432 ▶▶▶ Carmen B, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #206 of 2045 🔗

It puzzles me, too, that people are so incurious. They just seem to trust what the Govt tells them and what they see on TV. I’ve thought about why that might be, what distinguishes the sceptic from the go-along-with-it types, but I can’t come to any useful conclusion.

336445 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Carmen B, 2, #207 of 2045 🔗

Maybe many people are philosophical zombies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie

336504 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #208 of 2045 🔗

Well, my mum says I was an irritating little sod when young as I would never stop asking ‘Why?’

She is over in Timberscombe, by the way — have not been able to get there this year…

336723 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #209 of 2045 🔗

I was like that as well. Had a couple of books in the “Tell Me Why” series when I was about 6 years old!

337051 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to steve_w, 2, #210 of 2045 🔗

No, sorry that is what the MSM and PHE want us to believe. There are going to be multiple strains of the virus; the vaccines don’t last long in preventing some symptoms and so there is no way this ends ‘when lots are vaccinated’ …..
Recovery’s prediction sounds spot on. There may be a dip in summer but next winter it all starts again …… and repeat in 2022

336341 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 5, #211 of 2045 🔗

Anyone else having trouble getting talkRADIO on YouTube? None of the links I have tried, work.

336498 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to kh1485, 3, #212 of 2045 🔗

Gather it’s having censorship problems. Maybe it’s on Bitchute or Brandnewtube??

336823 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 4, #213 of 2045 🔗

It’s on Fakebook
They been kicked off Youtube

336342 PatrickF, 4, #214 of 2045 🔗

2021? No. 1984.

336344 PatrickF, 6, #215 of 2045 🔗

Stay at home. Get fat. Get Netfilth.

336347 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 6, #216 of 2045 🔗

A-women

No sniggering at the back!

336385 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 8, #217 of 2045 🔗

360 days of 2021 left – but it’ll be hard to beat that one for stupidity.

336421 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #218 of 2045 🔗

It ought to be but I think it’s just raised the bar a bit. All those women with strange hairdos hard at work at this very moment.

337235 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #219 of 2045 🔗

S-n-ig-g-g-rr …. sorry.

337469 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #220 of 2045 🔗

I don’t know whats worse your stupidity of trying to virtue signal twats like AOC, or your stupidly of not knowing what amen means!

336349 eptwll, 2, #221 of 2045 🔗

The irony of the subtitle is perhaps lost in the OMG level of dystopia in this Atlantic article:

“Mask Up and Shut Up: COVID-19 transmission would go down if we spoke less, or less loudly, in public spaces. Why aren’t more people saying so?” https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/wear-your-mask-and-stop-talking/615796/

336354 nootnoot, replying to nootnoot, 9, #222 of 2045 🔗

Has TalkRadio disappeared off YouTube this morning? IT was working for me yesterday but today cannot find it at all! Don’t tell me this is more free speech being removed? I can listen via their website but it appears to be off YT completely.

336358 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to nootnoot, 2, #223 of 2045 🔗

I couldn’t find it either.

336362 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 5, #224 of 2045 🔗

And JHB just said you can listen on Arsebook and Twatter. No mention of YT.

336366 ▶▶ Biker, replying to nootnoot, 12, #225 of 2045 🔗

Youtube are fascists so in the interests of the right of weirdos to never have their reality questioned in any way whatsoever they must censor anyone they don’t like. Google the same, all media the same. Truth is you must get away from them and their anti human agenda. They are evil and are the face of the lying evil motherfuckers that want to destroy us, grind us into poverty, take our assets and then kill us. It’s really as simple as that

336381 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Biker, 6, #226 of 2045 🔗

There are free speech alternatives – Bitchute, Rumble, Odysee, Brighteon, Brandnewtube – not sure if Talk Radio has caught up.

336407 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #227 of 2045 🔗

Got to love Bitchute for it’s attraction to the deep state. Every video on it has some 77th brigade make some anti jew comment to try and discredit them. I’m not bothered though because i consider all religion evil and all religious people to be cabbages with the brain power of a fucking bag of porridge so i’m down with being as offensive to the believers in delusion as possible. No disrespect to those of us here who believe in virgin births and the turning of water into wine etc. Obviously you’re fucking stupid but as cannon fodder in the fight for our freedom you might prove useful.

336367 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to nootnoot, 6, #228 of 2045 🔗

Yea seems to have, their channel appears to have disappeared…

https://talkradio.co.uk/radioplayer/live/talkradio.html here’s link to their website

336418 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Wolver, 14, #229 of 2045 🔗

Seems the soy boys at youtube have shut them down and deleted their account. The people at youtube think they are inclusive and scientific. They are evil lying fucks.

336484 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Biker, 7, #230 of 2045 🔗

Seems that way. JHB just asked Gove some very telling questions on big tech censorship.

336519 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Wolver, 7, #231 of 2045 🔗

The censorship levels are being cranked up in line with vaccine roll-out. But it also shows a certain weakness. ‘They’ are really scared of free information.

336549 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 3, #232 of 2045 🔗

People in power always have been, the serfs thinking for themselves leads to revolutions and reduced control for those in power. See peasants revolt.

336355 SilverLining, replying to SilverLining, 23, #233 of 2045 🔗

Hi all, long time reader, first time commentin. I wanted to thank you all for being a light in the dark, it’s helped me tremendously. The new lockdown is quite a blow, but I am currently trying a Mantra: this, too, shall pass. Let’s see if it works. Keep up the good work on here!

338205 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to SilverLining, #234 of 2045 🔗

Hello and welcome. And thank you for your mantra, I will give it a go in an attempt to soothe my fury at these abhorrent acts on our liberties.

336359 rockontommy, 33, #235 of 2045 🔗

Schools shut for Christmas and “cases” shoot up. Therefore shut schools for longer.

Makes sense.

336365 Will, replying to Will, 32, #236 of 2045 🔗

My email to my MP. I didn’t bother with the niceties:

“What you have done to the children of this country is unforgivable. You have condemned the poorest and most vulnerable to, yet more, destruction of their life chances. I hope you go to sleep at night with the soaring child abuse statistics, during lockdown, burning into your conscience.”

336394 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Will, 10, #237 of 2045 🔗

Chances are as an MP they will either be corrupt or a child abuser. Take your pick almost all them are one or the other. So he won’t care a bit how you feel, in fact he’ll enjoy knowing you’re pissed off.

336417 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Biker, 7, #238 of 2045 🔗

I totally agree about MPs being pleased we’re pissed off.

I sent a satirical piece to mine, thanking for his amazing empathy and deep care in sorting out a local issue. He’s way too stupid to see how much sarcasm was littered in that email.

336371 Will, replying to Will, 14, #239 of 2045 🔗

Interesting that in Charles Moore’s fluff piece for the Telegraph he quotes a senior NHS bod saying they are seeing significant sick leave from “conscientious” staff because of reaction to the Pfizer vaccine.

336382 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Will, 31, #240 of 2045 🔗

good, everyone who takes the “vaccine” deserve to suffer, fuck them. You don’t have to be fucking Marie Curie to know a vaccine that pops up nine months after a lab made “flu” is released by the world government to destroy everything we’ve all worked for all our lives might be a bit dodgy. To me they deserve everything they get. I wish them all a total nightmare.

336408 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Biker, 12, #241 of 2045 🔗

You are motoring Biker 😂

336710 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Biker, 2, #242 of 2045 🔗

The population reduction could be achieved with lockdown zealots taking it. Maybe not as great a loss as some may imagine…

336523 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 1, #243 of 2045 🔗

Does he mean side effects of taking the vaccine or being absent to avoid it ?

336529 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to karenovirus, 2, #244 of 2045 🔗

I think the ‘conscientious’ ones are those who take it — because they ‘care about others’

336373 Biker, replying to Biker, 76, #245 of 2045 🔗

Remote learning? lol. I’m glad my son isn’t in school. He’s away from lefty faggot teachers who are obsessed with trannies and arse sex. He’s away from english teachers that don’t have books and show videos of black lives matter instead. He’s away from lunatic “guidance teachers” that promote genital mutilation and draconian speech limits. He’s away from a headteacher that lets the kids smoke and bully others with violence but if you say you’re not interested in some aspect of woke politics you’re expelled. He’s not in a system that take three months to make a fucking box in woodwork. As an experiment he made the same box in my workshop in less than two hours.He’s away from the vast majority of kids whom are so braindead that a corpse is more interested in learning than them. He can stay up late with me playing guitars, singing and dancing, get up late, eat a good breakfast and go on a nice walk in the countryside. It’s great. Only five months to go and he’s away from these creepy faggots and there is nothing they can do to us. I have to say anyone sending their kids to school who thinks they’re in anyway being schooled are deluding themselves.
Oh yeah fuck Boris Johnston, Nicola Sturgeon, that faceless tedious wanker from the Labour party, can’t remember his name he’s so banal and fuck the police

336404 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Biker, 19, #246 of 2045 🔗

This made me laugh so much. The woodwork box is so true. Thank you.

336405 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Biker, 13, #247 of 2045 🔗

Well done, keep him away from University too (sounds likely!). A decent apprenticeship if he’s interested and can find one.

336430 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 35, #248 of 2045 🔗

He wants to be a Blacksmith, how fucking cool is that?

336444 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Biker, 7, #249 of 2045 🔗

Visited here when on holiday. Excellent place. Outstanding blacksmith. He does courses.
https://www.forged-ironmongery.co.uk/

336467 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Biker, 18, #250 of 2045 🔗

Very cool, well done team! My son went through the whole university engineering route (like me, I’m MA, MICE). It got him a good job and a beautiful clever engineer wife. He has now retrained as a plumber/gas fitter, runs his own business and is much happier. He makes boats too!

336476 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 10, #251 of 2045 🔗

I went the university engineering-science route, worked in engineering science for a long time and was so pissed off I had to jack it in. I need to retrain! Cut people’s lawns I guess.

337066 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Biker, 2, #252 of 2045 🔗

Very cool indeed. When he can do one of these let me know and I’ll buy it….

Forging a Viking Dane Axe – With Tord of Thor’s Forge (part 1)

336377 TJN, 19, #253 of 2045 🔗

Regarding the piece on loneliness in today’s, and the loneliness that has frequently been alluded to on this forum.

One of my favourite quotes is by the mountaineer Reinhold Messner, the first person to climb a 8,000 metre peak, Nanga Parbat, solo. He went on to be the first person to climb Everest solo, and used mountaineering as a means of facing up to his own loneliness. From the preface to his book Solo Nanga Parbat :

Loneliness is a force that can kill you if you are unprepared for it, but it will carry you beyond your own horizon if you understand how to use it to your advantage.

 One to hold onto for all lockdown sceptics facing loneliness.

336378 HaylingDave, replying to HaylingDave, 65, #254 of 2045 🔗

Hi All,

So overwhelmingly (and non-surprisingly), it would appear that the sheep are expecting the Hollywood vaccine(s) to gallop in and save the day.

That was the overwhelming sentiment from Christmas cards and messages. “Can’t wait for 2021 and the vaccine!!!”. Etc …

On a drunken Zoom chat over the holidays with London fence-sitters, I decided to poo on that sentiment. My basic argument (which was met with silence) was:

  • “The virus” is endemic, and will re-occur every autumn – we’ve never successfully eradicated a Coronavirus before.
  • Any vaccine only reduces the symptoms of the virus, it will not stop transmission – from the virus manufactures own fact sheet.
  • Large swaths of asymptomatic people will continue to be tested for “the virus” – in fact it’s trying to be rolled out in schools.
  • Testing large swaths of the population using flawed tests will produce a high number of false positives equating to media and govt. defined “cases”.

Therefore, we will always have 1000s of “cases” of “the virus” in the fall/winter.

Therefore, given the precedent for group-think media-driven hysterical panic button pressing government actions on small “case” numbers, we will always be trapped in a perpetual state of lockdowns.

This will only change if there is a complete turnaround in policy regarding mass testing, “cases” vs. “infections”, asymptomatic transmission, etc …

I concluded that I won’t be taking the vaccine when offered, and it was clear to me that it’s the end of some of our relationships.

Oh well, roll on new friends in 2021.

Cheers All

336384 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to HaylingDave, 18, #255 of 2045 🔗

Great work, I’m gearing up for similar sessions this week with friends and colleagues. I will be adding that the clinical trials have not yet been completed for any of the vaccines (and reminding them that the government have only granted emergency use authorisation), so the safety and efficacy of all of them is as yet unknown.

Happy New Year? No, it most certainly is not.

336389 ▶▶ Biker, replying to HaylingDave, 21, #256 of 2045 🔗

you forgot to tell the ones who want to lock us down to go fuck themselves, but it was still a fair effort on your part.

336401 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to HaylingDave, 38, #257 of 2045 🔗

Similar situation for me over xmas. My wife and I went to deliver some presents to our friends. I used to think of these friends as family, in their early sixties, full of life and full bile for the government. Now I don’t recognise them, the people I have known and loved for the past ten years have vanished. Taken by fear, panic and mass propaganda. These people are now my enemy, they are facilitators and collaborators in the eradication of democracy and free speech in this country. I now have nothing but utter contempt for them. This time last year I would have crawled over broken glass for them. Utter moral cowards.

337472 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #258 of 2045 🔗

Its at times like this that you find out what people are really made of. Sadly in many cases they are made of liquid slurry shit. It can seem sad but best to move on. They have revealed their hand and will only drag you down. Thank god my partner and close friends are all sceptics…but as for family! Its the end of the road with some of them.

336403 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to HaylingDave, 23, #259 of 2045 🔗

Imagine it is 2011. Flu Season. I trot around the UK and test the entire population. I would guess Flu-CV RNA will be found in 20 millions. Did 20 millions die in 2011? 25.000 did from the Flu so 99.87% were fine and not even for the most part, sick or ill. Tests, Infections are completely irrelevant.

What matters is: symptom severity, age and comorbidities correlated to deaths. In other words only a very small % of the pop are at risk from the Flu and CV as you rightly state, is the flu. And as you rightly state there is 60 yrs of proof that Flu Vaxxs never stop transmission.

I find arguing with the Covidiots is about as rational as debating ‘climate change’ with an Eco fascist. In fact there is probably a 100% overlap between the 2 religions.

336474 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to HaylingDave, 27, #260 of 2045 🔗

I took on a group of friends recently. All fairly smart but all completely been had by the propaganda. They thought they had a gotcha moment at the end though when they asked if I would have the vaccine. They seriously seemed to think that I would certainly say yes and that my position was based on hypocrisy. They had not even considered my point that there is absolutely no threat to me or any of them from the virus, and why on earth would any of us need a vaccine. Their absolute belief that I would selfishly want the vaccine neatly highlighted their own hidden position, that has never been about protecting others but is exclusively (and misguidedly) about protecting themselves and their interests.

336568 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to TheBluePill, 13, #261 of 2045 🔗

Well done.

But I think the propaganda is worse. Those who take the vaccine will be portrayed as ‘conscientious’ and helping others by stopping transmission, while those who refuse are the bad ones reneging on their duty to help ‘defeat the virus’. But it is very interesting if none of your friends made this argument.

If they just let those who wanted it, take it, and left the rest of us in peace, then I would be fine with that.

336748 ▶▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 18, #262 of 2045 🔗

But this is an interesting point. One friend pointed out that by taking the vaccine, I would be reducing my symptoms if I contracted SARS-Cov-2, therefore with reduced to no symptoms I would be less likely to spread the virus.

“Hmmmm,” I said: “So with reduced or even no symptoms, you’re saying that the virus won’t spread?”

“Well, yes, it’s obvious. You’re not coughing or sneezing droplets.”

“Ah, so if asymptomatic carriers do not spread the disease, then why are we isolating, distancing, mask wearing, etc … Why not non-symptomatic people go out, symptomatic ones stay home?”

“……………… Okay, but by reducing your symptoms, your less likely to need hospitalisation and you’re reducing pressure on the NHS!”

“I’m 52, statistically, I have a greater chance of being hospitalised for Flu or a variety of other maladies. Look up the stat, my age and health make me almost zero risk for NHS regarding Covid-19 symptoms.”

Ah, cue blissful silence.

It’s absolutely fucking amazing the number of “smart”, “well educated” “grown ups” who have absolutely not applied a fucking iota of analytical reasoning to any of this. ANY of this!!

337285 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to HaylingDave, 4, #263 of 2045 🔗

It’s a common theme of anti-Lockdown Facebook pages to have people commenting on how come lots of intelligent people believe all the Lockdown rubbish. At which point – I say “Not all intelligent people – I certainly don’t”. But I do see what they are saying and intelligence and commonsense are often not marrying up these days and I’m blowed if I can figure out why. Thinking of many of the “I thought they were intelligent” people I know and the difference often seems to boil down to “They went to University back in the era when only University people went to University (except me…..)” and so they got decent careers etc for themselves before the Job Market became problematic and have perhaps bought into a narrative of conforming in order to further their own personal lives. As someone just as intelligent as them – but I didnt go to University and only ever had jobs (not career) I probably didnt buy in to the same extent as they did into the system in order to progress my own little personal life. Poorly-paid and single (so worse off two ways over) was obviously rather likely to get me questioning why I was doing so much worse than others I knew…and, on from there, questioning much more widely…

336383 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 11, #264 of 2045 🔗

Not much sleep last night, not feeling articulate so listening to Bob Dylan’s ‘Masters of War’. Sums it up really.

336414 ▶▶ danny, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 11, #265 of 2045 🔗

The major difference between 60s protests and today is the psychological effect of being made to feel that you are alone in your dissent. Hard to imagine a ban the bomb or Vietnam protest being widely touted as insane, not just by the authorities but by most people (especially the young).

336665 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to danny, 4, #266 of 2045 🔗

Woodstock happened at the tail end of a flu epidemic but no panic. Strange, that…

336953 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #267 of 2045 🔗

I am so happy I was young in a wonderful era of music and literature. I felt things were strange from about 2000 and now I know why. They’ve ‘prepared’ the young by brainwashing in school and they will act as Govt executioners. All those qualifications and so little sense.

337524 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #268 of 2045 🔗

Do you remember punk and that attitude, protest songs like Rock the casbah, white riot, bodies, ghost town, shipbuilding. Then Lennons protests, give peace a chance, working class hero, imagine. All those fantastic Vietnam protests, eve of distruction, War (huh!), whats going on?Written in a time of crisis, and now we have all our liberties taken away, massive unemployment, firms being forced to close, suicide up, child abuse up, chaos everywhere and all our fantastic modern musicians come up with, Er! Van the man and EC.

336390 Henry2, 6, #269 of 2045 🔗

Interesting update from Peter Doshi in the BMJ pouring more cold water on the efficacy of Pfizer and Moderns vaccines.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/

336391 FerdIII, 8, #270 of 2045 🔗

From the No Shyte Sherlock files. Flu disappears and the Covidiots say ‘see diapers, distancing, lockdowns work’…then you ask, ‘how does your Covid spread and why are infections and deaths on the rise..?’ and they say….’baa baa baa baa baa’…..

Epidemiologist Knut Wittkowski thinks he can answer the riddle.
“Influenza has been renamed COVID-19 in large part,” said the former Head of Biostatistics, Epidemiology and Research Design at Rockefeller University.

336393 Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 7, #271 of 2045 🔗

Odd, got a bit of time before work so thought I would put talk radio on YouTube for a bit in the background, the channel has disappeared from my list of subscribed channels. I think someone else noticed as well? I haven’t been able to locate it via a search so far as well.

336396 ▶▶ Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 1, #272 of 2045 🔗

Nope can’t find it, any search for the station brings back only results where people have put a segment on their own channel.

336397 ▶▶ rockontommy, replying to Rabbit, 1, #273 of 2045 🔗

Should be available on the Tune In radio app.

336400 ▶▶▶ Rabbit, replying to rockontommy, 1, #274 of 2045 🔗

Thanks, I’ll try that. I tend to use YouTube to stream it normally.

336398 ▶▶ nootnoot, replying to Rabbit, 3, #275 of 2045 🔗

Yes I noticed, it clearly has gone and Julia mentioned only streaing on FB and Twitter.

336413 ▶▶▶ Rabbit, replying to nootnoot, 1, #276 of 2045 🔗

It is streaming via Tune In (as Tom mentioned). Just found it there, I will check back in YouTube later.

336395 jb12, 10, #277 of 2045 🔗

Oh, Jonathan again. People who know that the NHS is not under any unique pressure this year are not ‘Covid deniers’, irrespective of what the media tell you. I don’t know why that has to be explained to anyone on this site.

336402 JanMasarykMunich, 15, #278 of 2045 🔗

Morning all,

Some resturants in Germany are saying that they will open on Jan 11 even if lockdown is, as expected, extended.

Apparently, a Twitter war has broken out between ‘We Are Opening’ and ‘We Will Shut You Down’ down camps.

Social tension rising.

https://www.tichyseinblick.de/daili-es-sentials/wir-machen-auf-gastwirte-wollen-lockdown-nicht-mehr-einhalten/

336411 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 28, #280 of 2045 🔗

watched the killer clown on tv last night with wife and 2 daughters (6 and 8)

Boris said ‘…and deaths are increasing…’

my 6 year old threw her hands in the air and said ‘thats the lockdown!!!’

336454 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to steve_w, 9, #281 of 2045 🔗

Smart child. She can think.

336500 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to FerdIII, 2, #282 of 2045 🔗

Unlike those in government…

336415 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 12, #283 of 2045 🔗

So it will be interesting to see what legislation is passed by parliament on Wednesday. When taking your exercise the guidance on Gov UK says it ‘should’ be local but the legislation may stipulate no such thing (this is the case with current Tier 4 rules). I reckon if you actually understand the legislation – and know that the English police have no powers of entry – you can pretty much continue a normal life. Albeit with the caveat that it requires others to think like you and agree to meet up etc.

336834 ▶▶ stevie, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #284 of 2045 🔗

Yes it is worth reading the actual legislation when it appears. Summaries in the newspapers make assumptions (as do government ministers, MPs, council officials, police and general public) based on what they think the rules should be. Therefore we get the only exercise for one hour, no sitting down away from your home, only “essential” workers can go to work and other myths.

336997 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to stevie, #285 of 2045 🔗

Should we consider ourselves ‘lucky’ that the legislation is softer than the ‘guidance’? I suspect there would be no such gap in continental Europe where in France they want your documentation and in Spain they arrest you for not wearing a mask…amazing what passes for ‘lucky’ these days…

336420 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 21, #286 of 2045 🔗

The bit about relabelling the Flu and saying that Knut Wittkowski’s idea is “alternative” just shows how far from common sense even the authors of Lockdown Sceptics are.

THIS IS THE DEFAULT POSITION

Occam’s Razor for fuck’s sake. The simplest explanation and also the one most aligned with human incentives. We and others have been saying this for ages on this blog.

Remember how crime rates changed in the past? It was largely due to relabelling it. Why is this any different?

It’s the first thing you learn in experimental science and basic engineering. Are you actually measuring the thing you think you are? Or more simply:

IS IT PLUGGED IN?

Plus as I have said multiple times – they didn’t test people for the flu unless in hospital for a number of days and with severe symptoms. In the case of 20000+ “suspected” Covid they only test 800.

So you have massive bias for Covid:

  • Symptoms of Covid very similar to Flu/Other respriatory ailments that may often themselves be diagnosed as “flu-like”
  • A reporting bias where even “maybe Covid” is elevated to the top
  • Doctors using subjective reasoning i.e. well, we see lung scarring so that’s Covid – have you eliminated other conditions that cause that?
  • Pressure on doctors and nurses to have Covid on the report so risk measures can be justified. Otherwise it looks a bit stupid and how can you justify not treating others?

The list goes on.

336438 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to mhcp, 5, #287 of 2045 🔗

Are hospitals still being paid more for ‘Covid deaths’? There certainly were/are in some countries.

336447 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 4, #288 of 2045 🔗

In the US it’s 161 admission to receive $77,000 under a provision in MediCare, even if those coming in have insurance. In the UK I suspect there are quotas for higher management and there are contract obligations with private testing houses. Look at the exit clauses. They have the incentive to keep doing more testing as they make I believe £5 or more per test.

When you can make £2.5 million a day and probably keep half of that as pure profit who wouldn’t want this to keep going?

336448 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 4, #289 of 2045 🔗

Yes NHS will transfer funds to ‘afflicted’ Trusts of course. The CV budget is huge – billions. Private care homes same – can apply for ’emergency’ funding for PPE, CV related costs and of course ‘staff isolation’ including furloughing. Massive industry.

337537 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mhcp, 1, #290 of 2045 🔗

I remember BR had a go at accountability and said if your train was 5 minutes late you could claim. This did not go well so they just changed it to 15 minutes. And all our trains run on time.

336423 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 9, #291 of 2045 🔗

Dismal BBC propaganda, anecdote designed to terrorise. What do these people actually want to achieve?

Covid-19: ‘One of the worst shifts of my life – it’s overwhelming’ – BBC News

336439 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to jhfreedom, 15, #292 of 2045 🔗

The bit where they say
it’s leading to people in their 20s, 30s and 40s dying, these are the staff of St George’s Hospital in south London.
That is one huge claim but it just gets taken as read, no numbers, no context, no analysis but it is these statements that the general public take up and quake in fear and demand lock-downs.

336457 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #293 of 2045 🔗

Most people don’t have the attention spans. Ignorant. Should be disenfranchised.

336672 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to jhfreedom, 13, #294 of 2045 🔗

Is it overwhelming? oh petal, 3 weeks in a frontline Hospital in camp Bastion would make her change her mind…17 year old with limbs blown off, people holding their guts with their hands, calling for mum, the screams , gunshot wounds that you know are fatal…Fucking NHS, a picnic.

336731 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #295 of 2045 🔗

I think there’s a Yorkshireman joke in there somewhere but I have lost my humour today. I am sure battlefield surgery is tougher, lower staff staff ratios if things are not going well in the field and everything is an emergency by definition.

Anyway, within the NHS I don’t doubt that dealing with death and suffering is tough, but why would the cancer or cardiovascular ward be worse than the Covid ward? One doctor recently wrote that broncopneumonia is the ‘old man’s friend’ since it afforded a relatively painless exit.

336826 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to jhfreedom, 7, #296 of 2045 🔗

This was not meant as a one upmanship …These are just the facts .Also had a friend who just died last month because they detected his cancer to late to save him. The NHS is no COVID only service. My wifes surgery has been moved 4 times and she is still not sure when it will happen. They are a disgrace, a waste of resources. To give you little anecdote, somebody I know, a frontline (real frontline) surgeon with 25 years of experience , seen combat from Iraq to Afghanistan and is a fully qualified trauma surgeon deiced to do the right thing and help the NHS. SO he goes to his local overwhelmed hospital, they said great , we always need more cleaners and porters. He then went back home. Fuck them

336905 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #297 of 2045 🔗

I know re. the one upmanship. My little attempt at humour which failed on launch. Interesting re. the surgeon. Like the ex doctors volunteering to do the jabs but meeting a wall of regulation. So frustrating.

336831 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #298 of 2045 🔗

That’s exactly why I find all this “front line” crap so insulting, especially when spouted by bloody supermarket workers.

336427 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 30, #299 of 2045 🔗

Maybe I’m feeling unduly optimistic this morning, but there is a definite shift in public attitudes to this, even compared to LD2. I was due to drive at a track day today, and the email from the organisers cancelling it was in a tone of ‘jesus christ do we really have to do this shit again…’ rather than’ yey, let’s save the NHS!’ like it would have been in LD1 and LD2.

Also, I’ve said this before, but nearly everyone, even the zealots, really does think of this as one last push before the vaccine saves us all. Again, perhaps undue optimism, but they are going to struggle to continue with this shite past Easter.

336436 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to kenadams, 8, #300 of 2045 🔗

Just going out but I will go through the door with a dose of your optimism!

336440 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to kenadams, 3, #301 of 2045 🔗

Track day. Excellent. I do karting. Hopefully it’ll still be running this year.

336701 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to muzzle, 3, #302 of 2045 🔗

As an aside, and I know it’s a small matter in the grand scheme of things, but how on earth is the following meant to spread covid: riving to a track in your car, spending a day either always outside in a massive venue like Brands Hatch or inside your car again driving around the track, driving home in your car.

336451 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kenadams, 12, #303 of 2045 🔗

even the zealots, really does think of this as one last push before the vaccine saves us all.

God, even the language of WWI is being repeated. The last push, the final push.

It really is the insanity of WWI repeated 100 years afterwards, just in a different form.

336494 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to stewart, 4, #304 of 2045 🔗

Well, by 1917 they were starting to get mutinies. Russia went as far as revolution.

336560 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to stewart, 4, #305 of 2045 🔗

Hanging on the old barbed wire.
Again.

336473 ▶▶ iane, replying to kenadams, 3, #306 of 2045 🔗

Hmm, people have been saying that for 8 months. The triumph of hope over experience!

336558 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to iane, 5, #307 of 2045 🔗

Youtube has removed Talk Radio, which I have sometimes watched to get skeptic arguments and info. If they have to censor it that suggests they are not confident but at the same time are doubling down.

336491 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to kenadams, 2, #308 of 2045 🔗

I agree. These are goods approaching their sell-by date.

336428 Jane C in France, replying to Jane C in France, 14, #309 of 2045 🔗

I read the article in the Local about keeping schools open in France. Personally I don’t know which is worse: closing schools altogether or making children from the age of SIX wear a mask all day. If you have school-age children you can’t get out of it; the government is in the process of making home-schooling illegal (apparently to prevent religious indoctrination). School nurses on the Reinfocovid site report a huge increase in physical and psychological problems. Kids complain of headaches for example (from lack of oxygen) and if they get a snuffle they worry they’re going to die. The rules seem to be rigorously enforced and you see rows of little children in masks lined up obediently outside the gate of the primary school down the road. Depressing.

336598 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Jane C in France, 4, #310 of 2045 🔗
337701 ▶▶ TC, replying to Jane C in France, #311 of 2045 🔗

God but that is truely awful.

336431 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #312 of 2045 🔗

Think its all about trying to stop us drinking alcohol

336453 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to DanClarke, 4, #313 of 2045 🔗

So much for Johnson likenking himself to Churchill who was quoted as saying;
One example of a true quote was that, after the United States passed an amendment to the U.S. Constitution prohibiting the sale of alcohol, Churchill stated that Prohibition was “an affront to the whole history of mankind.”


336482 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #314 of 2045 🔗

He once lost his seat to a Prohibitionist – in Dundee, I believe. It was a bitter pill no doubt.

336487 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #315 of 2045 🔗

Sounds like Johnson ‘and affront to the whole history of mankind’

336470 ▶▶ iane, replying to DanClarke, 5, #316 of 2045 🔗

No – they just want drunkenness to be confined to the home!

336515 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to DanClarke, 2, #317 of 2045 🔗

Teetotalism in the UK emerged in the 40s – 1840s that is. It really got going in the years leading up to World War I, under the auspices of that great Liberal, David LLoyd George. An interesting quote from an academic paper, written by Ronald Weir in 1988 in the British Journal of Addiction (he was an economic historian who wrote extensively on Scotch whisky and the former Distillers Company Limited): ‘The War provided the Temperance movement with an “emergency” in which policies once highly controversial became acceptable’ leading to the international spread of “the prohibition virus”’.

Interesting don’t you think?

336551 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #318 of 2045 🔗

Many British troops still got their tot of rum before going over the top – unless their commanding officer was a prohibitionist, of course.

336556 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 1, #319 of 2045 🔗

God, the frustration will drive me to drink

336940 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to DanClarke, 2, #320 of 2045 🔗

It isn’t working then. I’m sat here with a raging headache and have never drunk as much as I have over this last nine months. I try and blank out the evil being done to us, the trouble is I still have to wake up to the same old crap and feeling like hell at the same time.

337550 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #321 of 2045 🔗

Guess I chose the wrong week to stop sniffing glue!!!

336434 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 7, #322 of 2045 🔗

Interesting stats from Swiss care homes. In tabloid MSM 20min, so to be treated with caution, but nevertheless.

Only around 20% of care home workers willing to take vaccine. And even amongst residents figure is only 80%.

Government apparently considering obligation for care-home workers. But what if they simply choose to get another job?

https://www.20min.ch/story/so-gross-ist-der-impf-widerstand-in-den-altersheimen-855630950247

336604 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 4, #323 of 2045 🔗

Making it compulsory worked so well with the Swine flu vaccine didn’t it?
Idiots who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it.

336437 Henry2, 4, #324 of 2045 🔗

Not sure if my post came through on new username login malarky.

Update from Peter Doshi re: vaccine data, worth a read

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/

336441 FerdIII, 8, #325 of 2045 🔗

Worth repeating to the Covidiot religion.

“71,200 excess deaths recorded since the pandemic commenced, 46,721 of these must be attributed to lockdown measures – a rate of over 1000 people a week – which is nearly double the remaining 24,479 people who, according to the Institute, died during the same period due to COVID-19 (NB though 73,512 people died in 2020 with COVID-19, 66% of these would have died of other pathologies in 2020 anyway, as was freely admitted by Professor Neil Fergusson before the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee on March 25th, and thus would not figure in the 71,200 excess death figure for that year).”

336452 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #326 of 2045 🔗

Follow the money

Where is the money being made?

Selling vaccines and testing

Who is making the money?

The elites, people like Vallance

Everything else is an invention contrived to make money for the elites

The events of yesterday were triggered by the plebs not buying enough product

336486 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Cecil B, 4, #327 of 2045 🔗

The experimental time delay in the vaccine regimen means there is the likelihood that overall efficacy relative to the already manipulated phase III trials is weakened. Perhaps less of an issue for the Pfizer vaccine, because it was never going to succeed for a mass roll-out programme. However, for the Oxford/AZ vaccine, the developers (Vaccitech – part-owned by Sarah Gilbert and Adrian Hill) and manufacturers (AZ) stand to make money on repeat vaccinations, that is, once the pandemic is deemed to be merely endemic. When Gilbert and Hill’s colleague Andrew Pollard was interviewed on Sky yesterday after he received his vaccine, he more or less said as such.

336458 John001, replying to John001, 5, #328 of 2045 🔗

Prof Sunetra Gupta is on R4 now, i.e. 8.53 h

336466 ▶▶ Will, replying to John001, 16, #329 of 2045 🔗

Much as I would love to hear what she has to say, I am not going to risk an aneurism by listening to the Today programme. Plus she is much too gracious to say “I fucking told you so, you fucking idiots”.

336490 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Will, 3, #330 of 2045 🔗

Well I sometimes turn it on at 8.45-50 h; they do occasionally interview other sensible people then, e.g. Heneghan. However this time I missed part of the interview because it must have lasted ~8.40-8.48 h. They even mentioned having talked about ‘harms of lockdown’ earlier.

To think that I used to listen to most of the Today Programme …

336516 ▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Will, 10, #331 of 2045 🔗

Yes she is indeed very gracious. I listened to her a couple of months ago. She was horrified by her treatment by the media over The Great Barrington Declaration – the poor lady even had death threats and been accused of being a right wing fascist. She is infact totally the opposite. I too wish she would stand up and say “I fucking told you so”. The Declaration is and always has been the way to go – Boris and his cronies ignored her. Lets just vaccinate them all instead after a wasted year. Increasing voices agreeing with targeted protection.

336541 ▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Thomasina, 10, #332 of 2045 🔗

There is an interview that she did with the Imperial College student magazine that is worth reading. https://f001.backblazeb2.com/file/felixonlinearchive/issues/pdfs/felix_1753.pdf

“My politics are extremely left wing – I consider Jeremy Corbyn to be a bit too much to the centre. I think part of what we’re seeing is a major crisis precipitated by a withdrawal of funds to the NHS and centralisation of hospitals rather than local authorities looking after local hospitals.”

“I have suffered a lot for this. It’s been terrible. I’ve had horrible personal attacks made. It’s been a real embarrassment to me and my family, and it’s been very tough… They’re saying I’m a puppet, that I’ve been manipulated by some group to say these things which really, really is a very serious allegation. A very serious slur on my character.”…I would be completely open to scientific criticism, policy criticism… But the line of attack has been really dramatically personal.”

336553 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Caramel, 5, #333 of 2045 🔗

SHE has been manipulated???

336718 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Annie, 6, #334 of 2045 🔗

Yes, gooddamn amazing, isn’t it? Biggest propaganda and manipulation campaign in history, and someone who actually stands up to it…

I did not know she was so leftist. Shows again, I think. that we LSers cannot afford to be politically divided. I reckon that many people who consider themselves on the ‘right’ would agree that money would be better spent on paying NHS frontline staff better (not saying just throw money at NHS) than putting millions in pockets of management consultants for track and trace, testing, etc.

As you noted yesterday, courage not cowardice is a key thing. (Annie posted excellent quote yesterday, if you missed it.) Incidentally, my moniker refers to a tragic incident of cowardice; the treaty, not the city. Jan Masaryk was ambassador to UK at the time. ‘God help us’ he said on being informed, reportedly.

337546 ▶▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Caramel, #335 of 2045 🔗

At the start of the NHS Bevan argued with Morrison whether health services should be centralised or under councils’ control-Morrison had been on the LCC. Bevan believed the needs of S. Wales miners were exactly the same as anyone else. He won, we got a centralised run NHS and the rest is history.

336460 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 6, #336 of 2045 🔗

Has this been posted here? The lady who filmed in the hospital in Gloucester talking about her arrest
http://tapnewswire.com/2021/01/debbie-hicks-who-was-arrested-for-filming-the-empty-gloucester-royal-hospital-speaks-out/

336517 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to SilentP, 2, #337 of 2045 🔗

That’s amazing. Reminds me of the arrest of a lady in Australia at the beginning of it all.

336461 chaos, 12, #338 of 2045 🔗

The lazy liar adulterer with the woke green Rockerfeller girlfriend 24 years his junior. amd the woke green woman beating Rockerfeller dad. is still PM. Amazing.

336462 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 6, #339 of 2045 🔗

In Cornwall we were tier one a couple of weeks back, now in lockdown and with one of the steepest increases in cases. But…..how much more testing is being done, there is a new test centre at a park and ride up the road from me and it was rammed on Saturday. Many with a cold I imagine.
Where can you find daily testing by county?
Feels very much like, Cornwall was low, let’s get it sorted by ramping up the testing.

336478 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to John Ballard, 9, #340 of 2045 🔗

Yes it is crazy, they opened a test centre in Barnstaple and North Devon now has a higher case number than neighbouring Torridge which does not have a test centre. If you go looking for grains of sand on the beach I guess you may just find some.

336502 ▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Steve Martindale, #341 of 2045 🔗

Torridge has always been pretty low though – at the bottom of the pile. And as you say probably due to the fact that it doesnt have a test centre and Torridge residents no doubt sent to Barnstaple for a test.

336464 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 24, #342 of 2045 🔗

Probably a silly question, but as most people have been wearing face-masks for 6 months but even so we have had to go into another lock-down, does this prove that face masks do not work and that all face mask wearers can now throw them away?

One thing about masks I have noticed is that if I talk to another man who is wearing a face mask but I am not they start to look uncomfortable and if they think they can get away with it they take it of. As if they know face-masks are not very macho and they do not take much persuasion to remove them. I also notice a lot of men wear their face mask only over their mouth but not over their nose. Just makes me wonder how many are really bought into this face mask nonsense?

336480 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #343 of 2045 🔗

I think a lot do it to avoid trouble and pull it down the first chance they get. Men especially. They do not expedite breathing either.

336503 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #344 of 2045 🔗

Most people won’t make that connection. They are either too thick or completely brainwashed. I don’t hold out much hope.

336524 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #345 of 2045 🔗

If you listen to Boris, he careful states that this new lockdown is because of the new variant, so there’s no point stating that previous lockdowns have failed because this one has been given a new purpose.

336538 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #346 of 2045 🔗

Its the women who tend to be more compliant and the men who seem to think this is all bollocks.

336550 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #347 of 2045 🔗

Both bad hereabouts, but the vindictive covvie scumbags are all women.

336671 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 5, #348 of 2045 🔗

In Nazi Germany Jewish children were not allowed to have sweets after war broke out, and this was before they began to be deported “east”. Some shopkeepers would not allow Jews even the minimum permitted in the ration. It was noticed female shopkeepers tended to be worse than male ones in this regard.

336559 ▶▶ nootnoot, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #349 of 2045 🔗

Think about it, before they were mandatory how many people in a shop had them on roughly? I’d say about 30% were already wearing them where I am in Scotland. Therefore you’ve probably got around 70% reluctantly wearing them and I was one of those. However since around 2 months now I’ve stopped wearing them and it feels great. People do give you odd looks but I think they are actually jealous and just lacking the confidence to make the decision to remove it.

336622 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #350 of 2045 🔗

Many are sceptical but the power of the herd is strong. I don’t have a thick enough skin to claim exemption (I did to begin with). But I do the nose thing!! It’s like wearing your tie at half-mast at school. It shows some compliance but under protest and not fully respected!

336465 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #351 of 2045 🔗

How does it feel to be taken for a mug?

(It’s not going to win any design awards, but it is what it is.)

336469 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 16, #352 of 2045 🔗

Bah. I forgot to attach a thumbnail.

336475 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 17, #353 of 2045 🔗

79% Collaborators/21% Sceptics.
Outnumbered by 4 to 1.
Even at the age of 72 I still fancy my chances

336483 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #354 of 2045 🔗

By definition the Collaborators will not fight, so yes I fancy our chances

336505 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #355 of 2045 🔗

To win a civil war against people who just want to barricade themselves inside would be easy. We’d only have to go outside and say, ‘we win’.

336507 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #356 of 2045 🔗

I like your attitude, and wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion. At odds of 10 to 1 I reckon any of us would comfortably hold their own in a roomful of those tossers.

336546 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #357 of 2045 🔗

Pushover.

336552 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #358 of 2045 🔗

Don’t forget the polls are skewed – slanted questions and selected audience. So your odds are better than that anyway.
I salute your attitude nonetheless.

336567 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 5, #359 of 2045 🔗

Exactly. As I said yesterday, I heard someone in the polling industry on talkRADIO say that the first question someone commissioning a poll is asked is “what answer do you want”. These polls are just examples of more nudging.

336477 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 9, #360 of 2045 🔗

For those wondering why we can no longer follow Neil Oliver on Talk Radio, youtube

https://order-order.com/2021/01/05/youtube-terminates-talkradio-channel-following-lockdown-criticism/

336501 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to nickbowes, 9, #361 of 2045 🔗

It was just a matter of time. They should move to Bitchute. The channel has been up and down over the last month or so. Youtube are commie scum.

336724 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #362 of 2045 🔗

Exactly. I know censorship – I used to work in China! This is the same thing.

336479 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #363 of 2045 🔗

Under the new rules am I allowed to join a partisan group operating in the woods?

336545 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 5, #364 of 2045 🔗

Only for an hour a day.

336683 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Cecil B, 1, #365 of 2045 🔗

And keep a 2 m distance at all times, also no sharing of cigarettes.

336488 CaptainG, 6, #366 of 2045 🔗

Anyone here in Bratislava (or anywhere in Slovakia?) I need to make contact with fellow skeptics here. Thanks!

336493 steve_w, 2, #367 of 2045 🔗

Sunetra Gupta not very good in R4 this morning. She is just not a good speaker.

She didn’t get over the main point that lockdowns cause more lost QALYs than not locking down

The interviewer (Sarah Montague) just kept shrieking over her ‘the hospitals will be overwhelmed’, ‘new variant’ etc

336511 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Maccrobbo, 4, #369 of 2045 🔗

Hopefully Toby and the free speech union can get involved.

336521 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Wolver, 1, #370 of 2045 🔗

Yes, it has been removed.

336561 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Maccrobbo, 1, #371 of 2045 🔗

How long until UKColumn gets the same treatment?

336587 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to TheBluePill, #372 of 2045 🔗

They are already on Bitchute:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/MpwlFaz0eFvX/

if that happens,

337299 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to TheBluePill, #373 of 2045 🔗

Ah! That thought hadnt even crossed my mind. Fingers crossed now you’ve come up with that thought – ie that they will be safe.

336563 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Maccrobbo, 2, #374 of 2045 🔗

So that’s why I couldn’t find it this morning?
Gawd.

336499 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 4, #375 of 2045 🔗

It looks like no amount of data will sway them until the UK has given legitimacy to their vaccine and they can flog it worldwide

336522 ▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to DanClarke, 7, #376 of 2045 🔗

I completely agree Dan. I suspect the fear propaganda is going to continue to ramp up over the coming weeks/months, so that the mindless sheeple begin clambering over each other to get to the front of the queue

336542 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to PeeDubbya, 9, #377 of 2045 🔗

Let them,

336597 ▶▶▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to Annie, 2, #378 of 2045 🔗

Exactly Annie…..I’m hopeful that the mass take up by the twats will then be the trigger for the government to stop the push on mass testing of healthy people, use the better testing method to bring down the ‘cases’ number, and order closer diagnosis of ’cause of death’ (i.e. Flu numbers are significantly down on the 5year average – strange isn’t it?).

336509 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #379 of 2045 🔗

Come thou no more for ransom

I pray thee, bear my former answer back:
Bid them achieve me and then sell my bones.
Good God! why should they mock poor fellows thus?
The man that once did sell the lion’s skin
While the beast lived, was killed with hunting him.
A many of our bodies shall no doubt
Find native graves; upon the which, I trust,
Shall witness live in brass of this day’s work:
And those that leave their valiant bones in France,
Dying like men, though buried in your dunghills,
They shall be famed; for there the sun shall greet them,
And draw their honours reeking up to heaven;
Leaving their earthly parts to choke your clime,
The smell whereof shall breed a plague in France.
Mark then abounding valour in our English,
That being dead, like to the bullet’s grazing,
Break out into a second course of mischief,
Killing in relapse of mortality.
Let me speak proudly: tell the constable
We are but warriors for the working-day;
Our gayness and our gilt are all besmirch’d
With rainy marching in the painful field;
There’s not a piece of feather in our host–
Good argument, I hope, we will not fly–
And time hath worn us into slovenry:
But, by the mass, our hearts are in the trim;
And my poor soldiers tell me, yet ere night
They’ll be in fresher robes, or they will pluck
The gay new coats o’er the French soldiers’ heads
And turn them out of service. If they do this,–
As, if God please, they shall,–my ransom then
Will soon be levied. Herald, save thou thy labour;
Come thou no more for ransom, gentle herald:
They shall have none, I swear, but these my joints;
Which if they have as I will leave ’em them,
Shall yield them little, tell the constable.

336540 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 5, #380 of 2045 🔗

Hear hear.
There were men about in those days. And women. Real human beings.
We are their heirs.
Boastful? Well. we have to live up to it.

336591 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 3, #381 of 2045 🔗

Half that army was suffering from dysentery and many cut holes in their breeches to let the diarrhea they could not control anyway have free flow. They still fought.

336510 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 15, #382 of 2045 🔗

From the Telegraph “Staying at home and waiting for the vaccine is not enough to stop the virus, a Sage member has warned. ” “We need to be bearing down on it.”
How exactly do you bear down on it?

336513 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to arfurmo, 23, #383 of 2045 🔗

Such asinine and puerile language from a so-called scientist shows you how far we have fallen. Absolutely fucking pathetic.

336749 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Richard O, 3, #384 of 2045 🔗

Yes, there’s nothing scientific about these people. It’s pure ideology.

336520 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to arfurmo, 3, #385 of 2045 🔗

Given sage’s political views, I expect gulag for anyone with a positive test..

336534 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Wolver, 2, #386 of 2045 🔗

Gulag for any sceptics…

336536 ▶▶ Annie, replying to arfurmo, 6, #387 of 2045 🔗

Like the old mosquito killer. Take wooden blocks. Place mosquito on block 1. Squash mosquito with block 2.
Bound to work equally well for viruses.

336582 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Annie, 2, #388 of 2045 🔗

Substituting “mosquito” with “all SAGE members” of course….

336583 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to arfurmo, 4, #389 of 2045 🔗

He’s misheard the lyric. It’s “get down on it.”

336757 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to arfurmo, 5, #390 of 2045 🔗

Sounds like a call for us all to get out and about…

Seriously, what is this idiot talking about? And why is anyone still taking these people seriously?

337061 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to arfurmo, 1, #391 of 2045 🔗

They did not get the notice:

No-one can stop a virus

337677 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #392 of 2045 🔗

I’m sure you can’t bear down on one!

337674 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #393 of 2045 🔗

Is Carrie pregnant again?

336512 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 26, #394 of 2045 🔗

It doesn’t matter where one stands on the cockup-conspiracy spectrum, this episode represents the absolute failure of our society and all of its institutions.

336518 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to rockoman, 12, #395 of 2045 🔗

You are completely correct. If we are being honest with ourselves, everything was pretty much broken well before 2020. It has taken this level of nonsense to reveal just how shattered everything is. “Build Back Better” actually makes a lot of sense, but not in the way some of our illustrious leaders are visualising/fantasising.

336530 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Richard O, 10, #396 of 2045 🔗

Agreed.

It needs to be our ‘better’, not theirs.

336532 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Richard O, 2, #397 of 2045 🔗

“Destroy Forever Worse”

336555 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Richard O, 8, #398 of 2045 🔗

Build back better, by smashing the parasitic, multi-billionaire, villainous filth that we have on this planet and redistribute their plunder to the rest of the planet.

336514 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 17, #399 of 2045 🔗

Just out of interest I had a look at the major causes of death for November, latest stats I could find on the ONS site, says the latest release. Covid was top. Of the other causes, 9 of the top 10 causes of death, 8 were down on the 5 year average. Heart disease down, Flu halved, Dementia down, Cancer down.
So the NHS stopping treatment for months in the summer has had the knock on effect of making everyone die less from everything else. Or…..everything that can be put as covid is put as covid. Official ONS stats.

336525 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to John Ballard, 3, #400 of 2045 🔗

The delays/cancellations of cacer treatments/screenings means that a larger than usual number of cancer deaths is coming down the pike at some point,increasing all-cause mortality.

336903 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #402 of 2045 🔗

That is some weird summary from the FDA. All it discusses are false negatives. No mention of FPs.

336535 Basics, 11, #403 of 2045 🔗

Article to read
Psychological Attack on the UK
Dr Bruce Scott
Sunday, 3rd January 2021

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/psychological-attack-uk

“The tactics of the SPI-B psychologists who are informing the UK and Scottish Governments’ policies on the COVID–19 response are, in my opinion, contrary to the ethical and practice guidelines of the British Psychological Society (BPS), the psychology equivalent of the Hippocratic Oath for medicine. Below are some excerpts from two documents: the British Psychological Society Code of Ethics and Conduct (2018) and the British Psychological Society Practice Guidelines (2017).

“From the British Psychological Society Code of Ethics and Conduct document:

[“From Section 3.1]

“Statement of values: Psychologists value the dignity and worth of all persons, with sensitivity to the dynamics of perceived authority or influence over persons and peoples and with particular regard to people’s rights.” Read further on the link.

336537 l835, replying to l835, 8, #404 of 2045 🔗

When do we think the cabinet papers on this will be released? 30 years? 50 years? Never….?

336557 ▶▶ Will, replying to l835, 4, #405 of 2045 🔗

70 years at least.

336595 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Will, 5, #406 of 2045 🔗

It wont matter really, because who will be able to read by then?

336564 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to l835, 6, #407 of 2045 🔗

Never, there will be D Notices all over the place for this period.

336616 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to l835, 1, #408 of 2045 🔗

At this rate civilization will never get that far.

336543 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #409 of 2045 🔗

Is data collected that analyses Covid ‘cases’ i.e. +ve PCR tests into symptomatic – severe, symptomatic – mild, asymptomatic and admitted to hospital -ve for something else, subsequently testing +ve?

Husband (who thinks he knows everything and tells me I’m wrong about everything and that my views are extreme, fringe and dangerous) believes that the vast majority of +ve PCR tests now are symptomatic ‘cases’.

He has conveniently forgotten the people we actually know who have been told to get a PCR test (teacher) before starting term in Jan (haha!) and those who have lied about having symptoms to get themselves tested so they can e.g. go to work!

336573 ▶▶ Julian, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #410 of 2045 🔗

I don’t think so, not that I have ever seen or read about

You’d think it would be useful information, but the govt is not interested in useful information

336547 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 29, #411 of 2045 🔗

Maybe Im being naïve (unlikely though) but I fail to understand the claims of ‘the NHS is being overwhelmed’.

I write a lot of Business Continuity Plans and Disaster Recovery Plans for financial institutions (which are a legal requirement – shame they arent for the NHS and schools as maybe then they would know what they are doing in times of ‘crisis’) and here the solution is obvious isnt it?

You designate one hospital per area (maybe the Nightingales) as a dirty or plague hospital. All Covid patients go there, so there is no need to space out the beds as they all already have it, and you staff them with NHS staff who have tested positive but are fit and able to work.

After all havent we been doing this for centuries? It is the idea behind Victorian TB hospitals and leper colonies.

So when we look at NHS capacity surely we need to factor in the numbers as if this had been done ie bed capacity = current capacity plus those added back when you remove spacing plus all spillover beds (Nightingales etc) and staff capacity = current capacity plus all absences due to a positive test or self-isolation order where the person isnt actually sick.

Id be really curious to see those numbers (does anyone know where we can get them?) as thats the true picture.

Any shortfall is then simply due to NHS mis-management and the public should know.what the true picture is when youve accounted for incompetence.

336554 ▶▶ jb12, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 12, #412 of 2045 🔗

There was an article posted on here where the author (I think a doctor) said that none of the hospital managers in their area wanted to be the ‘dirty’ hospital, so refused point blank; ‘mismanagement’ is putting it lightly.,

336566 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to jb12, 6, #413 of 2045 🔗

The way individual hospital trusts compete against each other for funds means they have to hit their targets to get more money so they’re never gonna want to be the “dirty hospital” which will automatically have higher death rates

336870 ▶▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to jb12, 6, #414 of 2045 🔗

I remember reading that……..isnt it funny that the private sector (ie most of us) are expected to follow orders whether we like it or not because it is in the ‘best interest’ of society, but a public sector institution like the NHS doesnt.

The response should surely be ‘thank you for refusing to designate one of your hospitals to be a dirty hospital, but you dont get a say in the matter and will do as your told by your employer (ie us). Your decision just reeks of self-interest and is not in the best interest of society’……..

In the real world if I were to tell my employer that I refused to do something they had instructed me to Id be sacked on the spot.

If Id deliberated done the opposite of what Id been told to do and jeopardised the company Id be sacked without notice for gross misconduct.

If whatever Id done contrary to instructions had cost people their lives then I and my company would be prosecuted for criminal negligence and corporate manslaughter.

Why do the same rules not apply to public sector…….(rhetorical of course)

336571 ▶▶ Julian, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 11, #415 of 2045 🔗

The Nightingales were obviously theatre

There are a few possibilities:
1) In practice ramping up hospital capacity quickly (say in the space of a year) is actually much harder than it might seem and the govt always knew this, so they just presented it for show
2) Initially they thought Nightingales could work but realised it was too hard so quietly backtracked without admitting their mistake
3) They don’t give two hoots about doing anything REAL for public health, but it was good theatre and all part of the plan

336572 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 8, #416 of 2045 🔗

Clearly there was no intention of bridging the shortfall with all the months we had between the first wave and the winter pressure. Staff would be the limiting factor as we had all those empty Nightingale beds. It’s not easy to upskill to intensive care nursing, I would imagine, but no effort was made. Nor was any made to rush qualify final year nursing students who could have backfilled for the upskilled more senior staff.
Just a criminal lack of will to tackle this in any way other than moonshot testing and vaccine which coincidentally have put a lot of money in some cronies’ pockets.

336581 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 8, #417 of 2045 🔗

And, discrete covid hospitals would have the added benefit of making it clear just what is or isn’t happening with covid patie… Ahh, I get it.

336588 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 3, #418 of 2045 🔗

You designate one hospital per area (maybe the Nightingales) as a dirty or plague hospital.

Nah. That is so 19th century.

336647 ▶▶ stalfie, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 3, #419 of 2045 🔗

I ran a dental practice for 35 years and I can tell you that all NHS places regulated by the CQC, including hospitals,care homes ,gp, pharmacies etc are required to have a business continuity/disaster plan as I did. Indeed during the famous swine flu pandemic we were required to draw up a pandemic plan.
Talking of the CQC – they seem awfully quiet at present as are some other governing bodies. When did you last fill out a ‘friends and family test’ questionnaire as mandated by the NHS after your latest contact with them? I was obliged to give one to each pt including infants and had to publish and display a graph in my waiting room!

336651 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 1, #420 of 2045 🔗

COVID-19 Hospital Activity:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
Monthly, but comprehensive including staff absences.

Urgent and Emergency Care Daily Situation Reports:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/uec-sitrep/
Weekly, focuses on A&E pressures. Previous years are available for comparison.
I’ve been looking at A&E diverts comparing with 2016-17 – no significant difference, in fact this year slightly less for Dec 1-20th

336562 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #421 of 2045 🔗

world food programme november report

https://docs.wfp.org/api/documents/WFP-0000120561/download/?_ga=2.260431565.1196814256.1609839202-1577235664.1609839202

page 10 – effects of covid-19 related measures

lost jobs “estimated by the International Labour Organization to be equivalent to 495 million full-time jobs”

“The World Bank estimates that between 88 and 115 additional million people will be pushed into extreme poverty in 2020 under a baseline scenario of a 5 percent contraction of global growth”

“the worst reversal on the path towards global poverty reduction in at least the last three decades”

“As of October 2020, at least 73 countries had postponed national and subnational elections or referendums due to COVID-19-related restrictions”

“a large drop in remittances; a steep fall in demand for goods and services; and the strain put on government resources by the need to support the most vulnerable and lift economies.”

“access to food has been the most impacted due to the income losses and macroeconomic shocks caused by the COVID-19 pandemic and the measures introduced to curb its spread. “

336576 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to steve_w, 11, #422 of 2045 🔗

If I hear anyone say “ If it saves just one life…. ” to me again I will take a personal interest in seeing them suffer.

336586 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Richard O, 7, #423 of 2045 🔗

The above is just food. There’s increased deaths predicted from malaria, TB, measles, diarrhea. These are diseases of poverty.

You don’t make people healthier by making them poorer

336600 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to steve_w, 4, #424 of 2045 🔗

Very well said, and so true.

336612 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Richard O, 8, #425 of 2045 🔗

This is the only part of the whole shitshow that genuinely upsets me. I don’t care about home schooling. My job is safe for a few months etc.

But to feel that I am sitting helpless through one of histories great mass murdering events and all I can do is try and convince people, email my MP etc.

When this is over we are going to have to help the developing world with these issues and I am happy to play my part – but the lead will have to taken by the lockdowners because it’s their hands that are drenched in blood.

336652 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to steve_w, 3, #426 of 2045 🔗

That’s a tad optimistic – “have to help the developing world” – because Britain will not have the resources to do so.

336660 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to bluemoon, 6, #427 of 2045 🔗

I would asset strip anyone found guilty of encouraging a lockdown or of panic-mongering.

Make a new law and apply it retrospectively like at Nuremberg

336565 Ned of the Hills, 12, #428 of 2045 🔗

The Prime Minister said …”the number of deaths is up by 20% over the last week”

He is referring to reported deaths which were inflated by the reported deaths the previous week being almost certainly under-reported because they covered the Christmas period.

Does he not realise this?

When the genuine figures are worked out I will not be surprised if they show a slowing down in the rate of increase.

It is unbecoming of a man in his position to be using figures like this – but then he is copper bottomed mountebank.

336569 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #429 of 2045 🔗
336631 ▶▶ alw, replying to p02099003, 1, #430 of 2045 🔗

Looks like FB are also doing.

https://order-order.com/2021/01/05/youtube-terminates-talkradio-channel-following-lockdown-criticism/#comments

If Guido is so concerned about censorship then it should allow its site to be viewed on other platforms. I use Duck Duck Go, but because it doesn’t have advertising you are unable to view. Looks like FB have done the same to Talk Radio. If this goes on it will be back to Radio Caroline days.

336634 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to alw, 3, #431 of 2045 🔗

I should have added surely this is something for the Free Speech Union to take up?

336570 NorthumbrianNomad, 18, #432 of 2045 🔗

I went to an art gallery today, because the Thai restrictions do not (yet) really amount to a lockdown, just a closure of a fairly random set of venue categories the authorities find useful for moral scapegoating. There was a fine range of contemporary art on view, including an installation and short film by a film maker. He’s trying to get funding to turn the short into a full-length feature. It’s about dissenting soldiers refusing to take part in the crushing of a popular uprising. I found his personal statement quite brave (as is the gallery, for showing the film). I photographed it for you.

The statement is carefully worded, and he doesn’t feel able to proceed to the natural conclusion, but we can work that out for ourselves. Its relevance obviously goes far beyond Thailand.

336574 PastImperfect, 3, #433 of 2045 🔗

Headlines about the NHS being overwhelmed are nothing new. However, watch these videos to see how bad it really is::

Royal Hospital Bromley
https://video.parler.com/3S/Nk/3SNkIeJqGRmG.mp4

Gloucester Royal Hospital
https://newtube.app/user/johndohh/BcPttPU?fbclid=IwAR2RORCT8AWt74zlduPfMBONXqDEJh7pSPAX0NuDedNiS2ghmcsxUhgdHvo

Worth repeating, posting everywhere with the aim of waking a few of the less comatose zombies to the lies.

336575 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 14, #434 of 2045 🔗

Anecdotal observations from the first couple of hours I’ve been awake in LD3 – walking to the nursery this morning there were exactly the same number of pedestrians on the pavements and cars on the road as before. I also live near the north circular and confirm that it is busy. This is nothing like LD1 in terms of compliance.

336580 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to kenadams, 4, #435 of 2045 🔗

I have had similar experiences during LD2 in Greece, in force since November.

336614 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kenadams, 3, #436 of 2045 🔗

Just gone from T3 to T4, still got a bit of morning rush hour.
Much like lockdown lite in midsummer rather than lockdown 1 in spring.

336578 stephenswd8, 2, #437 of 2045 🔗

Live the Swiss artist protest but … what does it say about the British people and their”clap the NHS”? Are we a nation of sheep?

336585 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #438 of 2045 🔗

Stay At Home. Wait For Us At Home. We Will Be Round To Kill You

336610 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 7, #439 of 2045 🔗

They said stay at home during the London 1665 plague, they said so at Grenfell Tower and I expect they did for the Spanish flu, not a great track record.

336589 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 82, #440 of 2045 🔗

It is not my responsibility to stop you and your family getting sick.
It is not your responsibility to stop me and my family getting sick.
It is not my responsibility to not get sick.
It is my responsibility to pay taxes so that the NHS can look after me when I am sick.
It is the responsibility of the government to administer taxation.
It is the responsibility of the government to ensure the NHS is adequately funded, organised & managed.

Conclusion: If the NHS is unable to cope with a disease that doesn’t affect children, has a 99.7% survival rate and has an average age at death of 82 then the Secretary of State for Health & Social Care should be fired and the Prime Minister should offer his resignation.

336593 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Achilles, 13, #441 of 2045 🔗

Exactly. To use John Reid’s quote about the Home Office, the NHS is not fit for purpose.

336611 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Achilles, 22, #442 of 2045 🔗

Yes. It is NOT on us to sort this out. The country cannot be held hostage by its crap health service. Our time will all come soon enough, meanwhile I want to LIVE.

336592 robnicholson, replying to robnicholson, #443 of 2045 🔗

Quick question: I can find total deaths for England & Wales for 2018 and 2019. Can only find data for 2020 up to 11th Dec (wk 50) on ONS. Is there any more up to date figures?

336603 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to robnicholson, 4, #444 of 2045 🔗

Total for 2020 should be due out today but possibly delayed because of the holidays.
ONS usually provide data for the previous week on Tuesday.

336807 ▶▶ RickH, replying to robnicholson, 2, #445 of 2045 🔗

Figures up to Week 51 are published :

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

As said, Week 52 figures are due out today, which will probably see a continuing gentle rise in line with seasonal norms.

As I continually bang on : forget ‘excess deaths’, which are based on the low short-term 5-year average. The longer term quarter of a century shows a better picture – mortality within the normal range.

336594 steve_w, 5, #446 of 2045 🔗

Through the last lockdown I used to venture daily to Cherwell Valley Services on the M40. Only 20 minutes away. A beacon of sanity.

M&S, WHSmith, Burger King, KFC, Costa all open. I would just go for a coffee and look at all the other people just having a coffee or lunch without their masks.

If there is ever a shadow government waiting to take over then you could do worse than them.

336596 Kelly deacons, replying to Kelly deacons, 42, #447 of 2045 🔗

I have tried until now,to understand those people too frightened to e.g board a bus with no mask.Today I feel thoroughly sick of their fears.Young boys who faced machine guns to fight for our democracy and freedom….these people frightened to face a bus conductor.What happened to fortitude? Now we have women giving birth to stillborn babies,partners not allowed with them,children with cerebral palsy denied hydro therapy because pools are closed,the bereaved not allowed to sit next to family at funerals,hospices closed,and on and on. To gain an illusory *safety* from a viral illness,we have lost our humanity. …..I feel sick to my stomach of them all right now.

336649 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Kelly deacons, 11, #448 of 2045 🔗

And also the constant reference to “working on the front line” is particularly odious.

336811 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Kelly deacons, 3, #449 of 2045 🔗

The war analogy is a little misplaced. Easy to unite against the alien enemy and join together. Band of brothers. But when the enemy is hiding over your garden fence and seems so familiar. Smiling too. It’s a different courage required.

This is why it is extremely psychological all of this. It is challenging people’s unexamined social norms. And they are scratching for anyway to get it back. Step one seems to be acquiescence. So it’s hopefully just a phase. Some awakening to the fact that such a strategy will not work will come, but maybe after some breakdown, demonstrated by lashing out at those who have not bowed down.

336599 Basics, replying to Basics, 19, #450 of 2045 🔗

Lockdowns kill. Very sad news from Inverness.

https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/one-person-dead-following-incident-at-kessock-bridge-222102/

Yesterday in Edinburgh it was reported that the body of an 18 year old was found in a park, no suspicious circumstances was reported, just as the police in Inverness report the same above.

A third separate body was found in a quarry near Edinburgh was also reported yesterday in local press.

Keep up frienships with people as this gets tougher over the next few weeks. Perhaps even remove those obstacles the psychological attack has placed upon us – listen to friends like never before. You don’t need to agree with them to be a good friend.

336606 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 9, #451 of 2045 🔗

The level of bitter disagreements I have had with friends and acquaintances means that I am avoiding them almost completely now. They have made their bed, and will have to lie in it I’m afraid.

336629 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Richard O, 6, #452 of 2045 🔗

If it works for you and you can live like that, it’s fine. I think for others it will be different. We may need to start the process of understanding others, to enable us to connect again.

336627 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Basics, 4, #453 of 2045 🔗

Absolutely agree. We need togetherness. Empathy. Being divided is not going to help us as individuals. Whatever we think.

336661 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 3, #454 of 2045 🔗

My Local Live reports of similar usually conclude with ‘the coroner has been advised’. ie clearly not death by natural causes.

336601 Achilles, 4, #455 of 2045 🔗

Anyone remember the good times of 2020?

336605 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 71, #456 of 2045 🔗

Well, my morning started with my daughter crying in her bedroom . When I tried to comfort her she asked me when she will be able to see her school friends again or at least have playdates. I mumbled sometimething.What can her I tell her, the truth which is maybe in 3 months maybe in 4 months maybe in the Summer? What have they doe to our children. My niece who was looking forward to University has had her GCES cancelled, she called me last night, crying. To top it off my daughter was not offered a Key Worker spot in school as even though both me and my wife are key workers, well apparently not enough. 10 min ago I now received a call from my wife crying as she just realized that the home schooling that they are setting up means that you literally need to sit with the kids on the computer for 5 hours a day as there is nothing simple enough that they can launch themselves. She works for a local council and is swamped by work but you can’t do anything if you need to do school work..We are now at the point when she resents me because I get to go to the office and leave the house and she can’t. This situation is now unbearable, almost a year of lockdowns and we are nowhere, back to square one..I think a lot of people who managed barely to keep thier shit together during the first lockdown are just going to completely crack. My wife being one of them..Just heard yesterday from an old army buddy, 3 people from my old unit have killed themselves in the last 6 months. Don’t blame them, anything to make this stop.

336615 ▶▶ danny, replying to Thomas_E, 24, #457 of 2045 🔗

So sorry to hear that. I am in a similar situation putting off telling my daughter, who is counting the two weeks down. Having to tell an only child who loves school that really she’s pretty much not gonna see friends her own age again, possibly until the summer. Every fibre of my being as a parent is twisted in knots at how I’m letting her down. Even done my back in now I’m sure through stress, and as for sleeping, forget it.

336624 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to danny, 17, #458 of 2045 🔗

I also have an only. I think parents with kids need to find people who want to meet. It’s on the basis of “escaping harm” for the child. Currently my child has a place at school, but I realise it’s up for change. I genuinely think parents with small kids must start to do this.

336637 ▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #459 of 2045 🔗

I agree completely. As it stands, my daughter has a place at school, as i am a teacher (as disgusting a profession as that now has become) and my wife a TA. However, it’s a poor imitation of school, zero friends, endless worksheets and little engagement. Thankful we have something don’t get me wrong, but she’s finds it just as upsetting as sitting in her room on zoom. We have decided she will go, because it is better than nothing, but it’s a poor substitute for school.

337875 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #460 of 2045 🔗

I totally agree with you. We can’t keep living like this.

336621 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Thomas_E, 13, #461 of 2045 🔗

My thoughts with you and your family. It is truly awful. There is absolutely no need for schools to close (no need for anything to close I realise, but the school closure is evil); especially primaries.

336839 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #462 of 2045 🔗

According to some definitions I am supposed to be vaguely vulnerable. Don’t think I particularly am. But even if I was, nothing justifies what is being to young children and their families. So, not in my name.

And when I talk to my mother (86), whom I have not been able to see for over a year (three visits planned, all flights cancelled), her most common sentiments are ‘I feel sorry for the young people’ (as well as ‘I’m alright, as long as they don’t lock me up’). So, not in her name either.

336790 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Thomas_E, 22, #463 of 2045 🔗

Your account had tears coming to my eyes – because I recognise all that you are saying. Just one example amongst millions.

Yes – we’re theoretically ‘alright, Jack’ – old farts with a pension and a comfortable house and garden.

But no, we’re not ‘alright’ in seeing this all around us, and abuse inflicted on the grandchildren by the most venal bunch of liars and sociopaths that Ican ever remember seeing on the political stage.

… and certainly, as one of the vulnerable, I would never have visited these deprivations on the wider population to save my skin.

I keep coming back to that word for which I have no substitute : ‘EVIL

336803 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #464 of 2045 🔗

They are criminals.

337885 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #465 of 2045 🔗

Agreed

337058 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #466 of 2045 🔗

Kids need to ‘protest’ outside school gate with big signs – those that can save 30 min per day

337117 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #467 of 2045 🔗

If you can find like minded parents then I would organise play dates and playground visits (they are still open) if your children are that age. Make playgrounds the site of the rebellion!

On another note I’ve just overheard a conversation between my dad and one of his work colleagues. Colleague in question said ‘I’m not hopeful that this is ever going to end’. Even my own parents seem down and despondent. Surely something’s got to give?

337888 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #468 of 2045 🔗

I really hope so

337606 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #469 of 2045 🔗

IF the legal cases progressing around the world at the moment ever get anywhere, I think people like you should be able take a joint action against the school and those salaried teachers should have to pay a portion to any parents who have to help their children to learn during “school hours”. This is one of the things we pay taxes for, so that we don’t have the responsibility of the main tutoring of our children.

336607 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 25, #470 of 2045 🔗

Just received this from the (totally redundant) Business ‘Improvement’ District:

As we start our 3rd National lockdown, we would like highlight the strength of our community. If we pull together to adhere and follow the rules then once again our amazing town can thrive when restrictions are lifted.
Dont forget you can support your local shops and businesses by using the @clickitlocal website, a safe and easy way to shop local.
Remember: Hands. Face. Space.

What a load of asinine crap.

336739 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 6, #471 of 2045 🔗

Clown planet in full swing in SW as usual. In my town they’ve been crowing about the £5m the government is going to give them to ‘improve’ the town centre and at the same time moaning they did get enough. They are saying how great it will be and how it will thrive when things are back to normal, whenever this mythical normal is. Clown planet, I think I’ll have some of what they are drinking or a similar pair of rose-tinted spectacles.

336793 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 4, #472 of 2045 🔗

Oh yes. Not sure how town centres will “thrive” if there are no ruddy shops left to populate them.

Don’t know if this is a *thing* in other areas or whether it is just an Essex thing, we now have gate posts on each side of the road on the approach into SW with the town’s name on. Cost: a cool £10k. But the bastards can’t fill in the bloody pot holes, in fact, it looks like they take some kind of perverse pleasure in making car journeys as hellish as possible.

336816 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 4, #473 of 2045 🔗

We have the gate post things at the entrance to a few villages here, the council claims it makes drivers aware that people live there and slow down!, still as we seem to be viewed as livestock to be slaughtered perhaps the farm gates have a deeper meaning.

337613 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kh1485, 1, #474 of 2045 🔗

I would so want to send it back to them saying: I don’t want to be safe, risk is an inherent part of life, remember, Go-Fuck-Yourself.

337715 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #475 of 2045 🔗

When this shitshow first started I went one better than that, I told the BID chairwoman where she could shove her ruddy spacing dots/hand gloop and other disease paraphernalia. Let’s just say relations between the two of us are on the glacial side of cool!

336609 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 16, #476 of 2045 🔗

As a sixty year old, I’m looking forward to the day when I’m offered the vaccine. The true virtue-signaller in me will emerge from my mutant Ninja Turtle shell as I say
“My jab must go to the ones who need it most: the children in Primary Schools, who are the disease vectors. “

336620 ▶▶ robnicholson, replying to PatrickF, 1, #477 of 2045 🔗

I assume you’re being sarcastic? 🙂

336625 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to robnicholson, 5, #478 of 2045 🔗

In the new normal? No. 😉 I’ll get my coat…..

336613 wantok87, replying to wantok87, 9, #479 of 2045 🔗

Can someone explain where the data is that enables the Governments to keep insisting that the New Variant of Covid 19 is responsible for the need to lock the UK down. The paper in proof form only is published- https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/report-42-sars-cov-2-variant/ but is essentially another one of Ferguson’s guesses, wrapped up as modelling. It does not account for why a similar surge of cases in Wales initially had 10%. only of the variant. In addition there is a muddled approach to the vaccine. It is nothing short of madness to permit the silly squabbling between the so called devolved parts of our Island to pretend that their populous has some unique element which the virus can differentiate to alter its transmission and virulence. The rhetoric by politicians in blaming society for “killing grandma”, by perceived lack of rule adherence, is a lack of insight. In a time of crisis we need leaders who lead, and advisors who are able to evaluate at all aspects of life. In the political expedient which drives appears to drive current policies,the deification of mortality figures demonstrates that they are more worried about people dying than considering the ability of children and the young to live. You cannot quantify easily the mental harm that lockdown causes on the vulnerable. If the new variant is not the malign force that the publication suggests there will have been morbidity and mortalities, Who will pay that price?

336754 ▶▶ RickH, replying to wantok87, 6, #480 of 2045 🔗

another one of Ferguson’s guesses”

I decided to test Ferguson’s Mystic Meg stuff when the Chuckle Brothers were putting forward those bollocks projections of up to 4000 deaths per day in December (remember it?)

I made myself write down on my spreadsheet my own projection, based on the probable trend. The figure I came up with was 12,550 deaths per week – totally unexceptional in terms of the normal seasonal trend.

The figure for Week 50 was : 12,292.

So much for SAGE and the modelling ‘experts’.

… and NOW I’m supposed to believe all the shit from the same source about a mutating virus and Apocalypse Now?????? – whilst my grandchildren are suffering deprivation and abuse at the hands of the serial liars?

F. Off.

336617 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 27, #481 of 2045 🔗

We’re allowed to leave home if we’re experiencing domestic abuse. Not to make light of a serious issue, but does the lockdown count as domestic abuse?

336645 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #482 of 2045 🔗

As LS reader ContantBees puts it

‘I am in an abusive relationship with the government’.

Coercive Control is a specific offence.

336654 ▶▶ jos, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #483 of 2045 🔗

I’ll try that one if I get stopped

336619 Biker, 23, #485 of 2045 🔗

It’s all a big cosmic joke man. I’ve come to believe that i am god and everyone else is a hallucination. The last thing i remember was i was drinking cider in a field at Castle Donnington in 88. That’s it. I’m still there. I’ve wandered off from my friends because i’m off my tits and need to calm down and this is my future self imagining itself in my mind. I type this looking out of someone strange’s eyes and i can see his hands typing on a keyboard. It feels real man, i’d swear it was. I can hear Crazy Crazy Nights coming from the stage so it means Kiss must be on. I really should wander back over and check them out but the future imagination of myself is a strong pull, i can’t look away. Sure i wanna rock and roll every day and party every night, who doesn’t ? Mmmm that would mean i’ve time traveled and that’s impossible so this isn’t the future because i’m imagining this and it’s still 1988 and Kiss are still playing, sounds like ‘i was made for loving you’ now, i really should get down the front and rock and roll all nite. Yeah this trip i’m on is a bummer, rubbish really. Fucking cider, why do the english like this shit? I can feel my teeth melt into my mouth and my feet feel like they’re wearing really thick socks. No wonder i’m thinking up dystopian nightmares while wasted on this shit. Though these eyes i’m looking through and the hands that are typing seem as real as the hands i’m using now to smoke this cigarette. The Gods of Thunder are kicking up a monster.
Think i’ll go get a rum and coke, catch the end of Kiss and all of Iron Maiden.

336626 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 8, #486 of 2045 🔗

I`m not a particularly religious guy but I am reading a turgid historical summary of 19th Century “faith” at the moment.
One thing that does stand out is in Revelations (and my memory is not good enough to give an exact quote from the Bible), to paraphrase,
Is that the famous passages regarding the “beast” and his “mark” and how everybody will need this “mark” or “number” to live, buy, sell etc etc

Icke believes the end game is transhumanism.

Unfortunately it does keep me awake at night but it seems clear and present evil lurks in this unwaking nightmare.

336678 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to nickbowes, 4, #487 of 2045 🔗

Revelation 9:6 “In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.”

Is that the result of transhumanism? It doesn’t bear thinking about. The Mark of the beast could be this vaccine. All vaccines are unclean.

336769 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to nickbowes, 5, #488 of 2045 🔗

The reference is to Revelation 13:16, 17:
And he made all, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or their forehead in order that no one might be able to buy or sell unless he had the name of the beast or the number of his name.
My translation.
A couple of notes. The word I have translated as ‘receive’ is actually δῶσιν, which is the 3rd person plural aorist subjunctive of δίδωμι, I give. Other manuscripts (later) have λαβῶσιν which is the 3rd person plural aorist subjunctive of λαμβάνω, I take or receive, which on the face of it makes more sense, but the reading from Nestle-Aland is δῶσιν. This is worth looking at in more detail.
The word I have translated as ‘made’ is from ποιέω, I make or do. This strikes me as a little unusual and is worth a closer examination, but not now. However, the book of Revelation is, from the point of view of the Greek, sometimes odd and even ungrammatical. It would be worth while comparing this with the Vulgate and Syriac, or even Armenian and Coptic, if I knew either of those. And the Greek critical notes, of course.

336630 Mark, replying to Mark, 9, #489 of 2045 🔗

“Owen Jones, Piers Morgan and Neil Ferguson are just updated witch doctors.”

A minor correction, Ferguson might be a modern day witch doctor, but Owen Jones and Piers Morgan are the equivalent in our society of witch-finders.

336644 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mark, 17, #490 of 2045 🔗

Owen Jones is a bandwagon jumping prick. If Peter Hitchens had been for lockdowns Jones would have been against. He’s utterly partisan/tribal.

When the worldwide poverty and disease increases become apparent he’ll be blaming everyone else

336648 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Mark, 3, #491 of 2045 🔗

I used to think to think the film Witchfinder General was over the top…
“She was innocent. She was not a Covid skeptic.”
“The mark of Covid skepticism is upon them. They must hang.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5V_JCO9IRg

336673 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Waldorf, 5, #492 of 2045 🔗

Famously after the defeat of the heretics at Beziers (Albigensian Crusade) the Papal Legate, when asked what to do with the defeated population, said “kill them [all]. the Lord will know his own”.

Given their true druthers, the panicker zealots like Jones, Morgan and scumbags like Paul Mason would say of suspected coronapanic dissenters:

Kill them all. Safety first. If it saves one life…

Fanatics don’t change, only the topic of the fanaticism and the targets of their viciousness.

336682 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Mark, #493 of 2045 🔗

I visited Beziers on summer holiday. 2017 seems so long ago…

336656 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark, 16, #494 of 2045 🔗

Piers Morgan is a wanker

336632 JASA, replying to JASA, 107, #495 of 2045 🔗

Hello everyone. Despite my myriad of health problems, including autism, severe anxiety and severe hearing loss, I finally went mask free to the shops this morning. The anger has been building for weeks and now I don’t care if I have a meltdown or if I am made unwell by confrontation, which I am. I have been wanting to do this ever since they became ‘mandatory’. Also, if I meet anyone like I did back in November when out for my walk in the Peaks, I will give them an earful. This is total lunacy. All these measures are supposedly being done to protect the vulnerable and of course the bloody NHS, but it is the vulnerable that are specifically not being protected and indeed harmed. On a personal note, I need my mental health treatments (and face to face) back up and running, plus my GP and other appointments too. I went up to Scotland to see my parents over Christmas and New Year. My mother is 80 and in a terrible state due to not being able to see people. She talks to everyone, yet people seem to be following all these nonsense rules and not coming round or asking her round to theirs as they used to. She misses her grandchildren and just can’t manage Skype calls etc. on her own. She keeps saying that if she wants to take the risk of catching it, it should be up to her. Indeed. This is destroying my mother. No one on the roads in Scotland when I drove down on Sunday, but just like normal once I got to Newcastle. If this doesn’t end soon, it will kill me, I am struggling, but my anger has overcome my anxiety and I will go down fighting. I am fuming.

336650 ▶▶ jos, replying to JASA, 33, #496 of 2045 🔗

This reminded me of back in March, standing in a queue at the pharmacy when an elderly man said to the whole queue ‘They just want to kill us all you know’ and most people spoke up in agreement with him – including the pharmacist!

336655 ▶▶ Janette, replying to JASA, 20, #497 of 2045 🔗

I think the old people should just do what they want. Are the police really going to put these people in prison???

336698 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Janette, 4, #498 of 2045 🔗

Are the police really going to put these people in prison??? Yes!

336740 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Stephanos, 9, #499 of 2045 🔗

They will “just do their jobs” and issue them with fines. When they won’t or can’t pay those fines, magistrates will “just do their jobs” and sentence them to further punishments for non-payment of fines. Eventually, other policemen will “just do their jobs” and lock them up pursuant to a court’s order.

Everyone’s hands will be clean.

336785 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 6, #500 of 2045 🔗

So at Nuremberg, instead of saying they were following orders, they should have said: “I was just doing my job”?

336871 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #501 of 2045 🔗

Same thing, basically. A distinction without a difference.

336662 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to JASA, 10, #502 of 2045 🔗

Bravo JASA!

337118 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to this is my username, 2, #503 of 2045 🔗

Thank you.

336901 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to JASA, 7, #504 of 2045 🔗

I wonder how many more people there are like you, in many different ways of course. An awful lot, I reckon.

Certainly, my 86-year-old mother has not benefited from the ‘measures’.

Best wishes.

338077 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #505 of 2045 🔗

No ordinary person is meant to benefit from the Covid measures and it’s actually quite the reverse, as the restrictions have been imposed as a way of coercing people into accepting injection with one or another of Bill Gates’s vaccines.

The old man in the chemist’s shop, see above, was absolutely correct, as yes indeed, they really do want to kill us and it is depopulator Bill’s vaccines that will have been formulated to do that very job.

337381 ▶▶ Simon, replying to JASA, 7, #506 of 2045 🔗

Good on you. I am doing the same. The more of us that do it the more other people will feel safer to do it too.

338216 ▶▶ mouser, replying to JASA, 2, #507 of 2045 🔗

Well done. The first time going maskless is always the hardest, but it does get easier and your confidence grows each time. So sorry to hear about your mum’s situation, its terrible what’s happening to everyone.

338254 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to mouser, 2, #508 of 2045 🔗

Hi Mouser, thank you. And to everyone on this site (apart from the odd troll).

336635 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 13, #509 of 2045 🔗

The only thing the NHS needs saving from is the NHS.
With regards to worst shift ever, a night shift in the resuscitation area of A&E on a night shift and having 5 red calls (ambulance blue light) within the space of 20 minutes. The failed resuscitation of a young baby. The death of a 20 something due to a blood clot and having to tell the patients pregnant sister. The suicide of a patient with mental health problems. The mental health issues associated with serious sexual assault. People who work in ITU or A&E always have the worst shift until the next one.
I appreciate the concept behind the NHS, but I do not agree with the deification of the organisation. It is seriously mismanaged. How can it be right that obtaining supplies has to be through the NHS supply chain where prices are set to be many times higher than the equivalent on the open market?
If you look in the British National formulary for the cost of some drugs and compare that with the prescription charges you’ll find for a lot of the drugs the price to the NHS is significantly less than the prescription charge.

336642 ▶▶ rockontommy, replying to p02099003, 7, #510 of 2045 🔗

If it shut tomorrow, I am convinced we would be better off.

336696 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockontommy, 4, #511 of 2045 🔗

Blindingly (and blindly) wrong.

As p02099003 says, “ I do not agree with the deification of the organisation. It is seriously mismanaged.”

… but that is an issue that is not necessarily inherent in the concept of the NHS. The key flaw is the intrusion of political management at the top level – and, of course, the shameful impact of all those political privatisation initiatives that stripped beds out of the service in the pursuit of profit.

These are what is impacting at the moment.

I’ve probably more experience than most here of being on the receiving end of NHS services over a period of 7 years and a range of specialisms – as well as A&E. I have a direct comparison with the experience of a (relatively wealthy, well insured) friend in Connecticut. The idea that the US experience provides superior and more economical care across the board is patent nonsense.

Before that, I served on the CHC before its abolition.

Over four major specialisms, I have had superb care from dedicated staff whenever I’ve needed it. The last was only last week. No – it’s not all perfect – but the essentials are there, and anyone who has been in contact with previous generations knows that the change after the war made a profound difference to lives. Experience of the private sector shows no advantage whatsoever.

There are serious arguments to be had about other routes to funding, and the need for insulation from political graft – but the armchair critics who have dozy ideas about the ‘free’ market are way off beam.

336729 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 4, #512 of 2045 🔗

As we should know from our experience debating panickers (“check out this fear porn example of someone dying of covid and then keep saying covid isn’t worth panicking over”), personal experience is no reliable guide to reality. For everyone like you, RickH, who has hugely benefited from good NHS care, there are people with horror stories to tell. Ask Kh on this forum about her experiences with the NHS.

And you are transparently at least as ideologically motivated to defend the NHS as any “free marketeer” is motivated to attack it.

The reality is that there’s nothing particularly special about the NHS. The supposed choice between NHS or “free market anarchy” is a classic false dichotomy, excluding other options. All over Europe there are healthcare systems that are neither an idolised state-run bureaucracy nor free market anarchy, and public healthcare is provided more or less as well as it is here.

The way the NHS has been fetishised and used here politically as a battering ram against coronapanic dissent means imo it’s time to get rid of it, and replace it with something more appropriate to the C21st, that does not carry this damaging emotional and political baggage that the NHS does.

not necessarily inherent in the concept of the NHS. The key flaw is the intrusion of political management at the top level

The idea that a national collective healthcare organisation could in any possible world not be “politically managed” is literally stupid, and you are clearly not stupid, so this is a case of functional stupidity serving personal ideological goals. What you mean, of course, is that you want it to be politically managed according to your personal priorities, at which point you will claim it’s being “sensibly managed”.

336916 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #513 of 2045 🔗

you are transparently at least as ideologically motivated to defend the NHS”

… based on wide experience, as I’ve pointed out.

Yes – of course there are people who have a different experience, but, as I’ve pointed out, my sampling has been over a long period and a variety of settings is more than just the odd negative personal experience. There is a consistency over time and disciplines. Which is all I’m pointing out – the NHS, despite everything, is not a comprehensive disaster area, as the rhetorical hobby-horse riders would wish.

The insulation of services from either political or financial interests is always going to be a problem. But, either way, there needs to be consideration of how best to do it.

Of course, the neoliberal imperatives of the post-Thatcher era have left a sad legacy of under-supply in favour of profit, and that needs to be addressed. But there is no free market La La Land – as can be seen from the comparison with the US.

336939 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #514 of 2045 🔗

The insulation of services from either political or financial interests is always going to be a problem. But, either way, there needs to be consideration of how best to do it .”

And one of the obvious ways is to remove the shibboleth of a “national service”, that absolutely encourages and politically enables (arguably mandates) such interference. That doesn’t have to mean “free market” anarchy, as you continue to pretend. As I noted. there is perfectly decent healthcare provision all over Europe, and I doubt even a one of them could be regarded as anything close to either the NHS model or your self-serving fantasy of “free market”.

336666 ▶▶ alw, replying to p02099003, 2, #515 of 2045 🔗

Having worked in local government can tell you the supply issue is exactly the same. An absolute scandal.

337385 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, #516 of 2045 🔗

“The death of a 20 something due to a blood clot”
Wow. How does that happen?
It sounds like all of these things you dealt with were lockdown related. Were they do you think?

336638 Basics, 1, #517 of 2045 🔗

Patrick’s anaology to Logan’s Run is something that we all can see developing.

Patrick Henningsen
@21WIRE
·
7h
This is turning into very sophisticated psy-op the way they continually reframe this #vaccine ‘priority’ issue. While the Jab itself is NOT tested for long term safety, they’re using it to create separation of old & young, the implication being age-eugenics, Logans Run…

Quote Tweet
Reuters Science News
@ReutersScience
· 17h
As Indonesia prepares to begin mass inoculations against COVID-19, its plan to prioritize working age adults over the elderly will be closely watched by other countries as it aims to reach herd immunity fast and revive the economy https://reut.rs/3rT7UgD

https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1346292447022874624?s=20

336640 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 4, #518 of 2045 🔗

They seem to be running out of ideas of punishments to inflict on us – or maybe not. Maybe there are some in the pipeline. Let’s guess:
Muzzles to be worn everywhere, despite the mantra ”ventilation, ventilation, ventilation”
Removal from the internet of any sceptic sites like this one
No hospital visiting WHATSOEVER, even in cases of extremis

Anything else?

336664 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Banjones, 2, #519 of 2045 🔗

Well, let’s not give them too many ideas, but history would suggest those opposing fascist regimes eventually get lined up against a wall.

336680 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Banjones, #520 of 2045 🔗

Being subjected to the water test as per Witchfinder General?

336641 danny, 7, #521 of 2045 🔗

Being facetious I know, but is there any mileage in calling the police to report involuntary imprisonment?

336658 semper dissentio, 10, #522 of 2045 🔗

We have a plasterer in finishing the job he started before Christmas.
The Scottish Government advice is that tradesmen should not come to your house unless
..to carry out utility (electricity, gas, water, telephone, broadband) safety checks, repairs, maintenance and installations
..to carry out repairs and maintenance that would otherwise threaten the household’s health and safety
..to deliver goods or shopping, where essential
..to deliver, install or repair key household furniture and appliances such as washing machines, fridges and cookers
..to support a home move, for example furniture removal
As we can’t get the temporary lights replaced with permanent ones until the plastering is finished, I’m assuming exemption under point 2.
If a nippy neighbour wants to share a contrary opinion, we can discuss it out in the street.
If someone dobs us in and the plod turns up, they’d better pray I don’t find out their identity.

336659 rockontommy, 8, #523 of 2045 🔗

The government is trying to plait fog.

336663 Tim Bidie, 7, #524 of 2045 🔗

I have just sent this brief letter (with thanks to Dr Clare Craig and her colleagues, above) to my MP to prepare him for tomorrow’s debate:

‘Dear Sir,

Has the government, within the last few days, conducted a risk assessment of its latest proposed lockdown measures? You will know that risk assessments have been a legal requirement at places of work since the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations of 1999? A risk assessment should include a cost/benefit analysis of the measures proposed.

Is the Government aware that t he latest data shows continuing decline in notified cases of COVID-19, with only 50 cases notified to Public Health England in the week ending 20th December and 85 cases in the week ending 27th December?

Other datasets including 111 triage data, 999 triage data, ambulance surveillance data, accident and emergency attendance data and excess death data all indicate a Spring epidemic which ended at the end of May or beginning of June, a regionalised Autumn second ripple, and then a return to baseline.

This baseline will be a normal level for winter as COVID is now endemic.

The only data that does not fit with the other measures is the data dependent on PCR testing.

https://www.pandata.org/wp-content/uploads/PANDAArticles-The-PHE-data-that-goes-against-the-narrative.pdf

Yours sincerely’

It may not be doing much, but it is doing much more than nothing.

336667 Boris Bullshit, 6, #525 of 2045 🔗

The greatest lie in history?

‘3 weeks to relieve the NHS’.

Or maybe Al Johnson’s ex wives and children would think there were worse ones.

336669 Achilles, 9, #526 of 2045 🔗

If your MP needs you to tell them that our children’s lives are being destroyed each day and that they should be fighting for them then I don’t think they should be an MP.

336670 norfolksceptic, replying to norfolksceptic, #527 of 2045 🔗

Morning all. Please could I get the best view on quantity and type of vitamin D and zinc that needs to be taken. Thanks

336687 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to norfolksceptic, #528 of 2045 🔗

Take your Vitamin D with K2 – I use a liquid blend in MCT oil which is easy to take. Zinc I can’t talk about – just don’t use picolinate as it seems not to help according to animal data. Meat and nuts are good sources I think.

336972 ▶▶ Biker, replying to norfolksceptic, 2, #529 of 2045 🔗

i get my off this guy called Bruce, sells it down Kings Cross, always quality gear. I just crush it up and burn it in a spoon and inject it straight into my eyeball. So far i’ve not had a cold

337046 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to norfolksceptic, #530 of 2045 🔗

Vitamin D3 at least 4,000 IU per day with Vitamin K2 (80mcg – 100mcg) per day and Magnesium at least 300mg per day. If very deficient (i.e no sun and no supplementation) then 10,000 IU per day of vitamin D3

336675 Julian, replying to Julian, 12, #531 of 2045 🔗

Got this from the Recovery campaign. Their tone has hardened, rightly. Still so frustrating that all of these groups are volunteers operating on a shoestring budget.

Dear Supporter

Yesterday’s announcement from Boris Johnson was hardly a surprise, but still came as a brutal reminder of the reality we face in 2021.

It has focused all our minds on how to end this.

That’s vital, because what I and others are hearing from credible sources is that the ever-tightening cycle of lockdowns and restrictions may continue, even with a vaccine. We did well to push back in the autumn and briefly turn the tide. It showed that change is possible, but but it didn’t take long for the pro-lockdown side to reorganise and force the intended lockdown back on us anyway.

Public pronouncements and what we hear privately all tend in the same direction – key people in the Government and SAGE are increasingly favouring a strategy of eliminating Covid altogether. It’s an incredibly destructive idea which could mean years of harsh restrictions.

We have had some credible insight into the strategy that the lockdown side is likely to pursue. If accurate, it is not good news. They are planning for this to last much longer than anyone is saying publicly . We will be continually told that release is just around the corner via a vaccine, or a new version of the vaccine. But a new threat will always come along to delay that point.

Let’s hope this is wrong, but we should be ready for that sustained fight. We already hear that a strain which may beat the vaccine has emerged, so we can see how it could happen.

Meanwhile, the environment for campaigning is challenging. The drive to prevent any alternative perspective being heard continues, with Ofcom restrictions limiting broadcasters’ ability to put an alternative case and the social media giants committed to supporting the official line. Google has said that it will shut down anyone who questions the approach of the World Health Organisation, which has just changed all the definitions of key concepts like ‘pandemic’ and ‘herd immunity’ to perpetuate this.

It all sounds grim, but we will win. We have powerful forces on our side too. Not least, human nature itself. And we are right.

It may take time, but ultimately, these are irresistible.

In the meantime, the situation is desperate and getting worse. Excess death from untreated cancer, heart disease, dementia and suicide is rising. Hospital waiting lists are 100x longer than they were a year ago, condemning 200,000 people to pain and misery. Children and young people are being put through hell. The economy is a disaster, with whole sectors facing obliteration. This in itself will cause 560,000 unnecessary deaths in the UK according to a recent study by the experts at Bristol University. All this for a virus which as we know, can make some people very ill but is rarely fatal to anyone who is not already seriously ill or at the end of life.

So what are we doing about all this? What can we do?

Recovery is evolving to fight a longer and harder battle than we expected. We will use new ways of campaigning and focus only on arguments that can realistically cut through to achieve change.

Right now, we’re all volunteers and we have very limited resources. That has to change fast and it’s a big task in itself.

We all have a part to play. It can be as simple as having conversations with a friend and signing up a new supporter, sharing messaging, or helping us to raise funds for the fight. Public opinion is slowly moving in our direction. Every new person who comes round to our way of thinking matters.

Remember that the people we need to convince don’t know the facts and figures as we do – they’re likely to have been influenced by the relentless campaign of fear by broadcasters. Taking hardline and uncompromising positions won’t convince these waverers. So while it can sometimes be frustrating, the winning approach is usually to stay balanced, reasoned and moderate.

Please do everything you can including donating to the campaign for the first time or even making a further donation — thank you. I and the rest of the team will be doing the same. Together, we will bring about the change that we all so desperately need to see.

Happy new year,

Jon Dobinson
Campaign Director

336693 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Julian, 1, #532 of 2045 🔗

I just googled them and the first entry was buildbackbetter uk.

336779 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 3, #533 of 2045 🔗

Says it all really. People had warned a tightening of the big tech censorship was coming. Some predicted an internet blackout.

Worrying times.

336899 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #534 of 2045 🔗

They have been trying to de-platform Gab.com for 3 years relentlessly
The site needs everyones support

337165 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, #535 of 2045 🔗

I couldn’t find “Recovery” on DDG at all. Took me about ten minutes to locate the site- so I’ve bookmarked it.

336679 alw, replying to alw, 5, #536 of 2045 🔗

A restaurant near where I live is also a delicatessen and food and wine outlet. So restaurants can now sell hot food for takeaway only but without alcohol. What is to stop me going in and buying alcohol with my other groceries and then later on say 5 minutes later going in to order the hot takeaway food?

336685 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to alw, 5, #537 of 2045 🔗

Because…..science says so

336706 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #538 of 2045 🔗

Your moral compass -how many grannies are you prepared to have blood on your hands for because of this obvious dangerous behaviour.

336853 ▶▶ LS99, replying to alw, 1, #539 of 2045 🔗

Two separate transactions, no need to wait five minutes. Heard some good advice the other day from someone who said his dad always said to him “you’ve gotta slip through the cracks, be a crack slipper”. This is a legitimate crack – so crack on!

336681 this is my username, 2, #540 of 2045 🔗

London live right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaVRU6f8caE

A few people with mask on – why? I can’t comment on traffic levels – it’s good to see things still moving!

336684 Tim Bidie, #541 of 2045 🔗
336688 EssieSW, replying to EssieSW, 5, #542 of 2045 🔗

Does anyone know why TalkRadio is not available on Youtube today?
I was able to watch last night but can’t find it this morning.

336695 ▶▶ Mike, replying to EssieSW, 9, #543 of 2045 🔗

They’ve been kicked off YouTube. Can’t question the narrative (even if only slightly).

336703 ▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Mike, 2, #544 of 2045 🔗

You’re joking? They are not even 100% sceptical as they are pro mask and pro vaccine.

It really is starting to feel hopeless now.

336717 ▶▶▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to arfurmo, 1, #546 of 2045 🔗

Thanks for the link 🙂

336720 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to EssieSW, 4, #547 of 2045 🔗

Looking at it another way though, this blatant blocking of free speech might awaken people to what is going on.

336746 ▶▶▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to kh1485, 1, #548 of 2045 🔗

True, I hope so

336689 alw, 8, #549 of 2045 🔗

Tier 6

336690 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 4, #550 of 2045 🔗

I’ve just read the review of a book on Going Postal. It’s called Corona False Alarm? – Facts and Figures by Dr Karina Reiss and Dr Sucharit Bhakdi and was first published in German in June 2020. There is now an updated version in English which came out in September. Has this book been mentioned here before?

The authors are critical of Government strategies regarding lockdowns and although the emphasis is on the situation in Germany they refer to the similarities with most other countries. It sounds like it will be a good read. The book is available at Amazon and has a rating of 4.7/5 from 851 reviews. The RRP is £10.99 but you can get it for £9.

336768 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Biggles, 4, #551 of 2045 🔗

Absolutely. Bhakdi has many long play interviews online. Excellent speaker.

336691 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 3, #552 of 2045 🔗

What will be the exit strategy from all this quagmire? Any ideas?

336766 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheClone, 1, #553 of 2045 🔗

Why you ask that question, what do you say?

336692 winstonthatcher, 2, #554 of 2045 🔗

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

So yesterday we had 58,784 positive tests out of a total of 428,770 tests (13.7%)

Is there a model that takes that data and extrapolates it to the rest of the population who didn’t get tested?

Surely to get 58,784 positive tests from that sample size it must mean a very sizeable portion of the population would test positive?

Which would then mean within days, or weeks we would all have had it???

336697 alw, replying to alw, 13, #555 of 2045 🔗

Thanks to Mike Yeadon and Reccovery

336765 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, 3, #556 of 2045 🔗

The emotional argument I see

336700 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #557 of 2045 🔗

My 82 year old Grandmother text me last night to tell me she is booked in to get the Oxford vaccine on Wednesday/tomorrow. A few family members including myself haven’t tried to dissuade her, just made a few sceptical comments. She has no chronic health conditions and is generally healthy but she does feel C19 is a danger to her, even if she is sometimes sceptical (allows people in to her house but not to hug her).
I can’t believe it’s come to this but in a way I am slightly relieved she is getting the vaccine because it will alleviate her fears…….it’s terrible to think that way.

336708 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #558 of 2045 🔗

TBH, I will probably encourage my 80yo dad to have it when he gets invited to. There is probably a net reduction in risk for someone like him. The worry for me is giving it to children who don’t need it anyway and who have long lives ahead of them if there are any long term complications.

336715 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to muzzle, 1, #559 of 2045 🔗

Very true and my thoughts also.

336753 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to muzzle, 2, #560 of 2045 🔗

Hi, Exactly the same. Dad due in Hospital in Feb (if they don’t cancel). Covid central for an 85 year old, so the jab will probably be the lesser of the two evils.

337034 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to muzzle, #561 of 2045 🔗

Mmm maybe not actively encourage him – be horrible if he reacts badly to it

336762 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #562 of 2045 🔗

The best I can do is to ask people just to wait and see. We will know so much more in two or three months. Ask them to give you that as you are worried for them. Given they’ve continually given ‘three more months’ to the state over the last year, surely its not too much to ask. You’d be delighted to be wrong but traumatised to be right.

Obviously long term issues are hard to talk about. Nobody knows and it’s why they are in trial period still

336705 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #563 of 2045 🔗

TalkRadio banned by YouTube… for questioning lockdown..

336712 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to chaos, 3, #564 of 2045 🔗

Still on the radio

336750 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to chaos, 2, #565 of 2045 🔗

Court case or else they can drift silently into the night.

336789 ▶▶ dhid, replying to chaos, 1, #566 of 2045 🔗

Still on DAB radio, stream audio online via browser or mobile app.

336894 ▶▶ Silverstar46, replying to chaos, 1, #567 of 2045 🔗

Until today my YouTube home screen had a good selection of Talk Radio clips, today none. However I can still search for them and able to watch the Tom Harwood clip from this morning. Assume the algorithm has been ‘tweaked’ rather than an outright ban.

Correction – Sorry I am viewing the Talk Radio clip but on Tom’s YouTube channel…

336895 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, 1, #568 of 2045 🔗

Live feed is still on Fakebook (for now)

336707 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 9, #569 of 2045 🔗

Oh please make it stop. Alexander Johnson to give a press conference at 5 p.m.

336722 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to kh1485, 3, #570 of 2045 🔗

What else can he say?

336737 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to EssieSW, 7, #571 of 2045 🔗

How about “I got it all wrong, everyone back on the bus, I’m sorry …”

336794 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to kh1485, 2, #572 of 2045 🔗

..and then I woke up and realised he didn’t say it.

336742 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to EssieSW, 5, #573 of 2045 🔗

Well it’s never ever good news is it?

336751 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to EssieSW, 11, #574 of 2045 🔗

The only thing I want to hear him say is that he is sorry and withdrawing from public life immediately and permanently. No chance of that so I suspect it’s a thumbscrew he forgot to turn yesterday.

336733 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 2, #575 of 2045 🔗

Why doesn’t he just stay on, 24/7 and have done with it?

336741 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #576 of 2045 🔗

Don’t give him ideas.

336759 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #577 of 2045 🔗

Why does anyone bother watching any more? Each new rule and policy is overwritten virtually every day.

336772 ▶▶ chaos, replying to kh1485, 6, #578 of 2045 🔗

What has Boris Kemal got to say now? If we all wish a tumour inside of him growing.. spreading.. hubble bubble..

336814 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to kh1485, 6, #579 of 2045 🔗

“We have taken on board concerns that yesterday’s announcement was not strict enough. As a result we will be making it compulsory in law to wear a face covering at all times outside of the home. All takeaways and click and collect services will be banned for encouraging non essential travel. Anyone found travelling on a motorway will be pulled over, shot and strung up from the lamp posts as a warning to other rule breakers for threatening to undo all the progress we have made flattening the sombrero in the last 10 months. We are in the last hurdle. Now to Professor Whitty to tell us that 20,000 people will die daily if these measures are not taken”

336820 ▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 2, #580 of 2045 🔗

Unveiling the latest Graphs of Doom to guarantee the parliamentary rubberstamp.

337306 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 1, #581 of 2045 🔗

He’ll announce the Tuesday death figures, which will be colossal because of the holiday weekend backlog.

336709 Stonecircle, replying to Stonecircle, 8, #582 of 2045 🔗

RE: The Piers Morgan ITV breakfast show.

I watched a few minutes of this show yesterday morning. An ICU nurse who works at a London hospital told us that things have never been as bad as this in the 20 years he has been at the hospital. This appeal to the public to stay at home was followed by Morgan laying into people who go on Twitter and say Covid is no worse than the flu and generally question the government’s covid strategy – if you can call it that. I was informed by Morgan that I am a moron for doing this. This was all done in a hostile, indignant and emphatic tone of course.

I don’t think it is the role of nurses and doctors to come on TV and make heartfelt pleas to the public about how they should behave. In this case we are told it is our duty to stay at home for weeks possibly months.

What would be the reaction of the media if a TV programme featured medics saying how hard their job is and that it is all the fault of people who eat too much?

Suppose they said our hospitals would be only half full if the average BMI of a Brit was 22 instead of 28.  A&E doctors could then come on and say if only people did not drink more than 10 units of alcohol a week their life would be much easier. Statements such as these would rightly be condemned as self righteous and disgraceful.

As it is the finger of shame is pointed at of teenagers who meet up with friends, people who like visiting their local town centre and mingling with others and students who try to occasionally to behave like students and have fun in a group.

I wonder what Morgan’s BMI is and how many units of alcohol he drinks every week. He looks pretty chubby to me – a BMI of 30 perhaps.  Perhaps Morgan could make a contribution towards “saving the NHS” by getting his BMI down to 22 and cutting back on the booze.

We would be back to normal tomorrow if it was up to me.

336872 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Stonecircle, 8, #583 of 2045 🔗

It absolutely is not the job of health workers to advocate stopping people from living normal lives to ease their workload. Their job is to treat the sick to the best of their ability and that’s it.

336711 DanClarke, 2, #584 of 2045 🔗

Could be, Boris’ legacy is Brexit, and a good Brexit depends on a ‘good’ Covid, ie recouping the money the investors feel they lost re Brexit. The plebs, (they can’t distinguish between, Brexit, Blair, Thatcher, voters), can lump it. Flogging the vaccine worldwide with UK and BBC legitimacy will help.

336713 RickH, 13, #585 of 2045 🔗

our hospitals are under more pressure from Covid than at any time since the start of the pandemic,” he (Johnson) said.”

Which is another direct lie, as the curve of deaths in the April spike shows dramatically.

This government is promoting falsehood at an alarming rate – claiming for instance that this virus has created an ‘unprecedented’ peacetime event. Again – simply a lie, with the death toll for the 2019/20 infection season only ranking eighth since 1983.

… but, as we know, the broad picture is never communicated, and, after 9 months, the majority of the population live in ignorance of the facts.

336714 Tim, replying to Tim, 11, #586 of 2045 🔗

You always know what Boris is going to do. The opposite of what he said two days ago.

336727 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tim, 5, #587 of 2045 🔗

Sure enough, a couple of days ago he had said “We don’t want to do that”… again.

336782 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Tim, #588 of 2045 🔗

..that is only the case when he says he won’t do something bad – if he says he will do something bad, it will simply be worse than he says it will…

336716 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 3, #589 of 2045 🔗

Zacahry Denman has produced a series of short but powerful films about our predicament:

http://zacharydenman.co.uk/films/

Each about 4 minutes in length.

Maybe start with this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUtVu3J01k8&feature=emb_logo

They are all still on youtube, but you can also watch them at the website given.

336738 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rockoman, 1, #590 of 2045 🔗

Cool stuff.

336719 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #591 of 2045 🔗

This vaccine chat back at work is just so ridiculous. One boss saying that he heard from a friend that someone they know got the vaccine but got ill with Covid. But it was a lot less severe than it would have been. So even then it was good news!

How is this person navigating this world with apparent success?

Don’t get me wrong. I need this work, but the motivation levels are at an all time low. Soon it will be everyone openly discussing how great it is to have got it, and those who don’t will be easily marked.

I don’t care though. I’m halfway out the door just give me a push

336730 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #592 of 2045 🔗

How did he know it was less severe than it would have been without the vaccine?

336744 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DanClarke, 9, #593 of 2045 🔗

Well that isn’t a level to which his mind operates. I am continually reminded of how little I understand people.

336773 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to DanClarke, 4, #594 of 2045 🔗

..or that it wasn’t because of the vaccine that he got it?

People just come out with utter crap these days.

336767 ▶▶ dhid, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #595 of 2045 🔗

How is this person navigating this world with apparent success?”

And this person is a Boss – scary….

336873 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #596 of 2045 🔗

“How is this person navigating this world with apparent success?”
A question I have often asked myself at various times in other situations.

336721 Simon, replying to Simon, 4, #597 of 2045 🔗

Got my doctor calling me tomorrow by way of an appointment regarding my mental health. Depression with anxiety… He’s a really good guy though.

Apparently there were no appointments for a couple of weeks as of yesterday evening.

Many of you have said things that would trigger the condition like mine. The government will be monitroing stats on mental health as this crisis is huge and expensive.

Get on the phone and get appointments. The sheer numbers cannot be ignored and it’s growing fast.

Remember, they can’t reason, but they can count!

336734 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to Simon, 31, #598 of 2045 🔗

NO!!! Extremely bad advice! Stay the hell away from the NHS if you have mental health problems! They will literally drug you – to make you more suicidal – and then try to coax you into suicide. I speak from personal experience…. and I have all the documents to back up everything I say. STAY AWAY FROM THE NHS!!!

Feel depressed…. GOOD! That means you’re human experiencing a normal emotion to a heinous and disgusting situation.

STAY AWAY FROM THE NHS!!!

Edit: Actually, do whatever you want – it’s your health and your life and your situation. But don’t say you weren’t warned.

336764 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TyLean, 9, #599 of 2045 🔗

So agree with this.

336819 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to TyLean, 8, #600 of 2045 🔗

I agree regarding anti-depressants, again from personal experience. Since i got off them i’m still depressed but no longer suicidal. (Was hospitalised after a suicide attempt in the summer – digestive system so damaged they had to take me off the pills – feel much better, albeit far from fine.)

336861 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #601 of 2045 🔗

As a long time anxiety sufferer, can I recommend the book “Accessing the healing power of the vagus nerve” by Stanley Rosenberg. It contains a series of simple exercises which improve the tone of the vagus nerve and this relieves both anxiety and depression amongst other things. It has helped me so much.

336736 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Simon, 7, #602 of 2045 🔗

Unfortunately I fully expect them to start massaging the suicide statistics in some way as otherwise the truth of what they have caused will become clear to all.

336743 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Achilles, 6, #603 of 2045 🔗

I can also attest to this. Suicide in the family: suicide not on the death certificate. (Although at least they didn’t blame Covid).

336876 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Achilles, 1, #604 of 2045 🔗

In WW1 British soldiers who committed suicide at or near the front were usually recorded as killed in action.

336884 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Simon, 1, #605 of 2045 🔗

Rhodiola Rosea Tincture
I put it in my tea – works a treat
( not medical advice in any way shape or form )
https://www.indigo-herbs.co.uk/shop/buy/rhodiola-rosea-tincture

336926 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Simon, 1, #606 of 2045 🔗

Consider taking Ashwagandha and Magnesium and eliminate all sugar

336725 TheClone, 15, #607 of 2045 🔗

Save NHS – kill the elderly! Save teachers – destroy children future! All clear?

336726 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #608 of 2045 🔗

Posted this late last night but it covers the tone of the thing which I feel some might have missed.

“Scottish golf courses to stay open during new lockdown

“Golf clubs in Scotland are being allowed to remain open during the new full lockdown announced by First Minister Nicola Sturgeon.

“But, in line with the restrictions aimed at combating the new Covid-19 variant, play will be restricted to one and two-balls on a local basis.

“It had been feared that clubs would be forced to close under the new lockdown, as had been the case when that step was taken at the start of the pandemic in March.”

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/golf/scottish-golf-courses-stay-open-during-new-lockdown-3084860

And in case you missed them here are the first words from the Scottish Government’s GUIDANCE/Law…

Guidance on new stay at home regulations coming into effect on 5 January 2021.

Stay at Home
To minimise the risk of spreading the virus, you must stay at home as much as possible. By law, in a level 4 area, you can only leave your home (or garden) for an essential purpose.

_

It’s tiring supposing to believe there’s a plague on with such sniveling mixed messages.

I’m to stay at home while £60k a year members of Muirfield can take part in their hobby. If you can afford a Golf Club membership of £60k you can afford legal representation, you probably are legal representation.

336735 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 3, #609 of 2045 🔗

That’s the kind of issue the left would normally be up in arms about, it’s their bread and butter. An open goal.

Thats not to say its a nonsense from any polticial standpoint. Like you say, it’s not a pandemic. No science could be brought up to support that conflation of the guidance

336780 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #610 of 2045 🔗

I bought up the 60k annual fee because it was a lazy way to put a point across. The idea that many sports activities are stamped out yet golf is allowed stinks.

In the UK Column article about the pschological attack on Britain posted here eariler today the say churches are closed while brothels are open.

I suppose I’m getting at the arbitrary nature of these ridicuous life altering diktats.

How is anyone supposed to take a plague seriously when golfing is allowed but skiing is not.

336806 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Basics, -1, #611 of 2045 🔗

“..while brothels are open.”

I suppose the ex(?) coke-heads in the Gov. have got to go somewhere for their kicks.

336747 jamesh, replying to jamesh, 6, #612 of 2045 🔗

Time to email or write to your MP. The last time I wrote to my (Conservative) MP, at the end of September 2020, I got a nicely written reply, though the end result was the same. I really don’t know how long I am prepared to “sub” this political tribe with my membership fees, though I know in my heart of hearts that the parties are all the same. Time to stand up and be counted as one less, I think.

336774 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to jamesh, 1, #613 of 2045 🔗

Yep. I’ve written to my own MP, and to a group email I now have set up for all the MPs who voted against the last LD, as I figure they at least might be turnable. It will do fuck all, though.

336796 ▶▶▶ jamesh, replying to kenadams, 6, #614 of 2045 🔗

Someone posted an interesting comment the other day to the effect that people whose salaries depend on peddling fibs are not likely to change their narrative. It follows that if one defunds them, the narrative changes. (Curiously, the BBC seems to be waking up to the fact that there is an increasingly vocal minority? not in agreement with the Corporation’s position on many things, and that attention is focused when defunding is threatened.) If political parties’ membership numbers start to drop, even slighty, there will be a knock-on effect. I am going to give it ’till the end of this week.

336815 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to jamesh, 2, #615 of 2045 🔗

They’re effectively defunding us so I’m just returning the favour.

336827 ▶▶▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to jamesh, 2, #616 of 2045 🔗

Wouldnt it be nice to defund the government……pay only what you think the cost of the goods and services you receive less the cost to you incurred because of catastrophic government policies rather than a mathematically calculated percentage of your income.

Its not like the mathematically illiterate government or the public sector understand percentages and statistics anyway?

336791 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to jamesh, 5, #617 of 2045 🔗

Same here James. My annual subscription expires later this month. I wont be renewing. Will be writing to my MP and constituency Chairman explaining exactly why, and that I will be joining/supporting any party that is explicitly and unreservedly anti-lockdown. Think that Laurence Fox’s party seems the best bet. I never trusted Farage on this, and I was right.

336801 ▶▶▶ jamesh, replying to Chris Hume, 1, #618 of 2045 🔗

I agree entirely. Mr Fox seems to have the right idea about the best course of action: defund them.

337278 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to jamesh, #619 of 2045 🔗

Mine is a Minister and is full on ‘the NHS is in danger of being overwhelmed’ despite my pointing out that it was overwhelmed in 2018 and we didn’t lock down.

336756 steve_w, 3, #620 of 2045 🔗

Zoe App R value still heading down after peaking on 18th Dec

Normal seasonal virus signal, nothing to do with lockdowns or tiers

336763 Mark, replying to Mark, 28, #621 of 2045 🔗

This is literal insanity – repeating the same failed, pointless policy infinitely, ad nauseam. This is gross self harm on a national scale.

How long is it going to be justified by people expressing sympathy for “overworked” health workers who are themselves a large part of the problem because they either spread panic themselves or won’t stand up and be counted (a few noble exceptions aside) to resist this insanity?

We’ve talked a lot here about who is to blame – government for panicking, public health “experts” for pushing the fanatical nonsense that panicked them, media for spreading the panic. All culpable.

But recent days have brought out a whole slew of doctors and nurses taking to the media to push panic and inflame feelings against the relatively sane dissenters in the grossest terms. The medical profession has a lot of guilt in this, and more every day they (mostly) don’t speak up against the panic, and especially the panic-pushers in their midst.

I can see two possible results from this – one is the dystopian one many pro-vaccine LSers are anticipating, in which we lock down until the vaccines have supposedly “saved” us – months off at least, and that assumes there won’t be any problems with the vaccines and variants won’t pop up that evade the vaccines and require it all to be done again. And let’s face it, past failed experience with cold and flu vaccines shouldn’t inspire confidence in this regard.

Then we just repeat it all next time a new respiratory shows up.

The second is that they just keep pushing until economic and social costs become unacceptable even to the brainwashed majority and the policy is overthrown by a general rebellion against it. That could have all kinds of consequences, but I believe the NHS, for certain, won’t survive it. And in the meantime there will be all kinds of turmoil and violence. Dissenters attacked by fanatics and fear-filled thugs, riots as police continue to violently suppress increasingly numerous protesters. Dissenters sacked, “cancelled” and persecuted.

This is the path we as a global society chose in February/March last year.

As I think I noted at the time: panic in the face of a supposed threat rarely produces better results.

I’m going to say at this point: I told you so. (You not meaning LSers, but rather the world in general.)

336781 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Mark, 6, #622 of 2045 🔗

Great comment Mark. Fear you are correct.

336804 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mark, 5, #623 of 2045 🔗

Unless they are forcibly removed and replaced with something brand new and untainted, this is in for good. There is currently no viable alternative, via the democratic route, amongst the usual suspects, and the majority of the pleblic will not stand up. The lockdown we get, we deserve.

336821 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mark, 5, #624 of 2045 🔗

“The second is that they just keep pushing until economic and social costs become unacceptable even to the brainwashed majority and the policy is overthrown by a general rebellion against it. That could have all kinds of consequences, but I believe the NHS, for certain, won’t survive it. And in the meantime there will be all kinds of turmoil and violence. Dissenters attacked by fanatics and fear-filled thugs, riots as police continue to violently suppress increasingly numerous protesters. Dissenters sacked, “cancelled” and persecuted.”

This is the most probable I would say.

337007 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mark, 1, #625 of 2045 🔗

Re health workers – why don’t more people sign the petition about nullifying gagging orders?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/550598
(Growing very slowly. Perhaps the people in charge are using Dominion software….)

336770 Sam Vimes, 10, #626 of 2045 🔗

Listen. Understand. That Terminator government is out there. It can’t be reasoned with, it can’t be bargained with…it doesn’t feel pity of remorse or fear…and it absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until you are dead.

336771 Ganjan21, 7, #627 of 2045 🔗

Can’t help but think of many of those sitting locked in at home right now, contemplating suicide. Arlene Foster said months ago about how lockdowns may cause a mental health tsunami and now she doesn’t appear to give a fuck!

Oh, and I assume they are allowing that mind numbing reality programme dancing on ice to go ahead? It must be essential, right? Why not let the BBC pay ‘celebrities’ a fortune again to prance around when the rest of the county is a shit show?!

336775 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #628 of 2045 🔗

There are surely enough people getting letters into Brady?

336787 ▶▶ Basics, replying to chaos, 9, #629 of 2045 🔗

Wasn’t brady et al stitched up the day after the Christmas break? Christmas was to be x numbers of days then day after the House shuts, ‘sorry folks one day only’. Wasn’t it proved the handjob cabal knew the data the drcision was based on weeks prior? I mean 1922 might be a good year for cricket but the comittee look like toothless leftovers from where I’m sitting.

336776 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #630 of 2045 🔗

I find it interesting that we have proved worldwide lockdowns don’t do anything to the shape of the disease progression

1 – we aren’t obeying lockdown
2 – disease spreads in non-locked down parts – NHS, meat packing factories
3 – it isn’t so much spread from person to person as person to environment to person
4 – we all get it and it lays dormant and just comes out in winter

336792 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steve_w, 11, #631 of 2045 🔗

I’ve said from very early on, once I’d done a tiny bit of amateur research, that Covid is gonna get who it’s gonna get and no amount of shielding will save anyone or any place.

337095 ▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, #632 of 2045 🔗

5. By far the likeliest place to catch it is in hospital.

337238 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, #633 of 2045 🔗

Far too much common sense, Steve.

336778 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 7, #634 of 2045 🔗

Piers Corbyn’s twitter feed now comes with a warning:

https://twitter.com/Piers_Corbyn

Dissent will not be tolerated!

336786 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Chicot, 6, #635 of 2045 🔗

Perhaps Twitter will be disappointed by the number of visitors who click
‘Yes view profile’.

336838 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Chicot, 2, #636 of 2045 🔗

This cheered me up – here is a man who is unfailingly upbeat about his dissent of the government measures. He would have to be a better candidate for London mayor than the current one!

336874 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Chicot, #637 of 2045 🔗

Get on Gab instead
group/hashtag #britfam

336784 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 18, #638 of 2045 🔗

It’s now all to obvious where this is going to end, the complete destruction of society and the economy this is happening the World over completely planned…

336788 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #639 of 2045 🔗

Agree. I wonder if dolly chops signed up for something that he didn’t understand or he is just evil, come to think of it they are all evil.

336799 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to stefarm, 8, #640 of 2045 🔗

The fucker needs taking down he knows the score and is loving every minute of it…

336795 cloud6, 2, #641 of 2045 🔗

Welcome to the PCRGB (Peoples (Conservative) Communist Republic of Great Britain). https://www.scotland.police.uk/secureforms/covid19/

Plans are in place to do the same in the UK.

I am going nowhere near the great unwashed anytime soon.

336800 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #642 of 2045 🔗

The NHS is sending out texts advising that ‘your allocated vaccine will soon be available’ to people on their vulnerable list. This includes people with autoimmune disorders, does anyone know if any research has been done on this?

336817 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 17, #643 of 2045 🔗

This is the research.

337298 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Achilles, #644 of 2045 🔗

And we are the guinea pigs.

336958 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #645 of 2045 🔗

I had a telephone appointment with my GP this morning for a ‘medication review’ (in other words, a bit of computer inputting for which he will be paid) and he brought up the vaccine and said I should have it (I have some serious chronic health conditions). I said I would be declining as it has not been properly tested, hasn’t been tested at all on humans, and no information at all seems to be available on possible interactions with other medications. He launched into a tirade against ‘online videos by people who claim to be doctors’ and insisted the testing was done by AI and therefore didn’t need to be done on humans. Notably, he didn’t address my point about potential interactions. He was obviously very well-rehearsed and had no doubt ‘been on a course’. He is normally so uncommunicative as to be almost mute, so it was a surprise to discover he had so much English (he is a Ghanaian trained in Ukraine – God knows what the medium of instruction was, I don’t get the impression he is a fluent Ukrainian speaker or glot of any type, nvber mind. Dance, probably.).

336991 ▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to trevorpee, #646 of 2045 🔗

Should read ‘never mind poly’. The editing function here is pants.

336802 Anti_socalist, replying to Anti_socalist, 8, #647 of 2045 🔗

Why isn’t it clear to these med-EVIL bondage fanatics (lockdown zealots) house arrest, face smothering & social alienation just don’t ******* work!

So as a lover of nature & a lifelong naturalists (not naturist) lets try something different, a lockout, the exact opposite, at least then the covid count will diminish because we’ll all die of hypothermia first. It seems just as logical as this insanity.

But seriously as one of your links discusses, we have to rethink our place & relationship with nature, we can not escape natural process, we are all going to die we need to learn to accept biological facts again.

I’ve been saying this for years, Liberals (of the left variety) are the greatest threat to all life on this planet! Little did i realise how quickly I was going to be proved right.

To top off my depression & add to my mood of helplessness my MP is Ian Blackford! hope is just delayed disappointment.

336809 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Anti_socalist, 6, #648 of 2045 🔗

Yes, totally agree about people needing to accept biological facts. I think infantilisation of the last generation or two is part of the problem. The do-gooders are the worst, as you say.

Sorry to hear Blackford is your MP! He’s truly dreadful, yet people still vote SNP. I despair.

336812 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socalist, 1, #649 of 2045 🔗

Liberals (of the left variety) are the greatest threat to all life on this planet! “

Creating alternative mindless bollocks is no answer to mindless bollocks.

336934 ▶▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to RickH, 1, #650 of 2045 🔗

Hmm

I’ll add some context, liberals (mainly on the left) have been using their religion (pseudo-science) in wildlife conservation to control nature for decades. Here’s the irony, you can’t manage nature, once you interfere “controlling” natural process, its no longer natural! All modern liberals suffer from this type of cognitive dissonance, every single one is a hypocrite. They have no understanding or concept of the natural world.

Which brings us to viruses, i’m no expert on virology, i’ve no learning in fancy labelled disciplines eg. virology or immunology but as a life long naturalist i’ve a basic understanding of the evolution of a virus and I see nothing exceptional or unexpected in the way covid is evolving, so why is everyone else behaving as if they’ve never seen a respiratory virus before? Viruses mutate & generally become more virulent & less dangerous, its suicidal, an evolutionary dead for any virus to do anything else.

We’re being played by the liberal press again & its fear mongering is dangerous.

336813 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Anti_socalist, 1, #651 of 2045 🔗

Hope is just delayed disappointment injected into the arms of the nation.

336805 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #652 of 2045 🔗

Just had a good one on my FB account. My cousin who’s a zealot put a question up “Do you know anybody who has lost their lives or tested positive for covid”. I got a lot of abuse for pointing out this is in fact 2 questions, one being more extreme than the other.

336824 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #653 of 2045 🔗

I had the same thing. I replied no to both but know plenty of people who have lost their jobs or can’t work. The reply was better can’t work than dead. My reply was those people would take a different view. To which I got back-I doubt it.

336835 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #654 of 2045 🔗

That’s been the big difference with this disease – the first one where halfwit people who know nothing about the subject, had never heard the term ‘Coronavirus’ before the beginning of 2020 and who were suddenly experts in the subject and ‘knew’ everything about the virus could wax lyrical. ‘Social’ media has quite a lot to answer for.

DavidC

336864 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #655 of 2045 🔗

It’s bad but it’s not the end of days.

A lot of people fear a bomb in a shoe at the airport is a real threat to them despite it only ever having happened once in the history of time.

Either they wouldn’t be checking for it if it wasn’t a real threat or the measures put in place stop it from being a daily occurance.

That is the sort of logic that many people have.

336917 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #656 of 2045 🔗

We are living through an “availability cascade”.

Daniel Kahneman, COVID-19 and the cascade of fear
It’s bad but it’s not the end of days .

If you are talking about the disease rather than the response, it isn’t even particularly bad, in societal terms.

336810 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 19, #657 of 2045 🔗

What we need is a dark web for skeptics, one that enables hard line tactics to be discussed and carried out,I think you can all read between the lines as to this comment…

336833 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #658 of 2045 🔗

It’s called Gab
the hashtag is #britfam
Much more fun the twitter – a tad conspiratorial but there are some good groups to join

336841 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Crystal Decanter, #659 of 2045 🔗

Thanks for that will take a look…

336846 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #660 of 2045 🔗

Sorry I meant the group is #britfam
hashtag works as well 🙂

336825 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #661 of 2045 🔗

Perspective…

COVID is at the level of an unvaccinated flu. All actions should be based on this.

If people want to eradicate COVID they need to justify why they wouldn’t take all the same actions with the flu, particularly once the vulnerable are vaccinated.

336832 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #662 of 2045 🔗

Because the Corona colds are endemic year round and if you test for them you will find them everywhere
Flu not so much

336856 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Nobody2021, #663 of 2045 🔗

You are already acculturated to flu as a vaccine protected vulnerability.

You can say you were ok with the old normal, but those who have mission crept into a condition of effective control did not do this overnight but across generations.

As Foxy Loxy gets lower in the water you must move towards his jaws.

The story itself is the fear that funds the gift sacrifice that keeps on giving.
Living inside a narrative is taking your identity from it. Everyone protects their invested sense of self.

336828 semper dissentio, replying to semper dissentio, 17, #664 of 2045 🔗

Perhaps this is all part of a long-standing get-out-of-jail plan.
My take on things is that the government have known for some time that the lockdown, social distancing and masks are pointless, but they started down that route, and perceive that politically they can’t back-track.
Respiratory virus illness and deaths normally peak in January-February and then decline naturally. Lockdown now, plus vaccines, will enable them to claim ‘victory’, even though it’s all just a gigantic placebo.
There doesn’t have to be conspiracy, just pressure.
Media screaming ‘PANIC’ and clever pharma companies lobbying the government: ‘We can help…’.
Well, they certainly can help themselves to tax payers cash now.
Add in the modelling muppets, and when the press ask ‘What are you going to do?’ the government ministers crumble, as they imagine that they must “be seen to do something”.
The ignorant non-scientific MPs pass the bills and here we are.

336911 ▶▶ Julian, replying to semper dissentio, 10, #665 of 2045 🔗

They could claim victory now by winding down mass testing, lowering PCR cycles, using Lateral Flow Tests, pointing at normal levels of all-cause mortality, under cover of the vaccine which has already been offered to huge numbers of the vulnerable.

They choose not to, but instead to double down YET AGAIN with more and more obvious fabrications like mutant viruses.

Why?

336925 ▶▶▶ semper dissentio, replying to Julian, 7, #666 of 2045 🔗

They could have, but the Jan/Feb peak in mortality would have looked bad, with them being held responsible , rather than it being normal.
They kept the fear-mongering at full pitch until January, all just to be able to set things up for the pointless lockdown.
When the mortality peak arrives, then can say ‘Look, see how deadly it is…”
using it as a-posteriori justification, and when the march decline arrives,
they can trumpet how effective their measures were and let us out again.
If they don’t take the brakes off by March/April, then I’ll have to re-consider, and start compiling my black-list.
I’ll watch for changes in the testing strategies too.

336949 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to semper dissentio, 4, #667 of 2045 🔗

I am resigned to them keeping this BS up until the spring, for the reasons you mention. If they keep it up afterwards then something really sinister is going on. However, even the patience (and stupidity) of the British people might show some cracks by then.

337136 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to semper dissentio, 2, #668 of 2045 🔗

Changes in the testing strategies might not be apparent- they could quite easily reduce the number of amplification-cycles. Or increase them, of course.

337260 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to semper dissentio, #669 of 2045 🔗

But the mortality “peak” is normal and they know that, and they also know that they are misattributing deaths to covid.

They are in control of the narrative 100% so have room for manouevre

The only thing they can’t do without getting called on it is openly say the sceptics are right

337071 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to semper dissentio, 1, #670 of 2045 🔗

Yep. That.

336829 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 19, #671 of 2045 🔗

Lost three 3 hours of my life trying to convince a life long freind that something sinister is going on. I started by argument that Covid has a relatively low IFR, there is a cure that is being ignored, numbers are exaggerated but as he knew this conversation was about this being sinister all he cared about was, “well whose is behind this and why.”
Well as no sane person can answer that question with any conviction to which he’s reply was well if you can’t answer that then there’s nothing going on! what sort of logic is that!

He’s logic is we just have to accept this is a new industrial revolution and embrace it. Also that all governments are just copying each other as they are incompetent and it’s easy to go with the flow. BTW He and his whole family had the virus in March yet he still wears a muzzle.

At that point I realised that so many of these zealots are actually enjoying this and are probably looking forward to what is coming. Seems we are losing the war big time, the rebellion has failed.

336840 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Andrew K, 6, #672 of 2045 🔗

People relish in misery and drama!

336857 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ganjan21, 12, #673 of 2045 🔗

I think you’re right. Most exciting thing to have happened in most people’s lives.

336937 ▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #674 of 2045 🔗

I’ve encountered a depressingly large number of these catastrophiliac ghouls in YouTube comment threads since this began. The most recent one claimed to be a teacher (and even named the school!) and said that within days of starting back ‘over 50′ pupils had Covid and ’14 survived’. When I asked if she was telling us that 36+ pupils from a single school had died, her response was that I had an IQ of 3 and that six had succumbed. When I said that this would have made national news and that almost no children had died, her comeback was that she wasn’t talking about children, but 14-year-olds. I suppose in her addled mind this constitutes some fine semantic point. A truly sick individual. I could well imagine her being a teacher, though.

337277 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to trevorpee, #675 of 2045 🔗

According to ONS (up to week 51) exactly 4 people aged between 10 and 19 have died since 12th June (the week before 1 died) and these deaths were between 20th November and 17th December.

Either some numbers are still to make it through or she’s wrong/lying

337333 ▶▶▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to DomW, #676 of 2045 🔗

I think we both know the answer!

336848 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrew K, 4, #677 of 2045 🔗

Indeed. I’ve given up trying to convince people to try appraising things from a different angle. Survival planning is now my priority.

336880 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to Andrew K, 3, #678 of 2045 🔗

A friend shared a Facebook post yesterday, one of those stupid ones that compare Covid to a jar of 100 jelly beans in which 2 are poisonous. (I know!). Obviously you wouldn’t eat any and this equates to the covid death rate of 2% and the need for lockdown. My friend is very vulnerable and was told early on that if she caught covid she would die and that has coloured her view ever since so I tend to cut her some slack. However as this was getting a number of likes I couldn’t let it go so simply stated the uk population figure and the 2% figure of 1,335,920.
This is what we’re up against.

336892 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Andrew K, #679 of 2045 🔗

Good effort.

Convincing isn’t possible ever.

You can be convinced of something but that comes from within, never from external source. A job of helping others see a wider range of information is different from seeking to convince them.

Their belief system is based on manipulations and untruths placed in front of them. They are convinced by them. It requires them to revisit what they know. Sowing seeds of better thoughts is all we can do. That change coming from within will be much stronger that any externally applied change can be. It takes time and nurture.

Patience and consistency are required to tend anything that grows.

336960 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Andrew K, 6, #680 of 2045 🔗

The rebellion hasn’t started yet

337412 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Andrew K, 1, #681 of 2045 🔗

Was pondering last night. I am sure others have noted it but I think I had underestimated the strength of the human drive to believe the things that cause them to feel most virtuous and moral and sod the facts. It is a strange form of seemingly cost free narcissism. “I am better than you because I believe in more morally praiseworthy things than you. The need to feel one is better than others seems to be driving EUphilia (I voted remain btw), covidian puritanism and the climate apocalypse belief as well as other current social justice movements. It’s extremely potent. Sorry for wittering on. Just looking for explanations.

336830 nootnoot, replying to nootnoot, 12, #682 of 2045 🔗

Do any of you watch Ivor Cummins videos on You Tube? He made a great one last night titled “Crucial Viral Update Jan 4th – Europe and USA – Covers it ALL”. It’s a very good watch and he clearly explains all the data related to Covid. The title may be a bit misleading but he does cover UK data.

336837 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to nootnoot, 4, #683 of 2045 🔗

Thanks for the notice. Yes, he’s one of the best and I watch all his stuff.

336843 ▶▶ Basics, replying to nootnoot, 5, #684 of 2045 🔗

Ivor has made a massive contribution to getting thoughtfully clear accurate information out to the world. His work is often shared, linked and discussed here.

336845 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to nootnoot, 1, #685 of 2045 🔗

“The title may be a bit misleading but he does cover UK data .”

Last time I checked the UK is still in Europe just not the EU.

336847 ▶▶ Janette, replying to nootnoot, 3, #686 of 2045 🔗

Yes he is excellent and so knowledgable. W have been following him for a while now.

336858 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nootnoot, #687 of 2045 🔗

He’s on Fakebook as well (if that’s your thing)

336914 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to nootnoot, 1, #688 of 2045 🔗

Just watched it, shame Boris and the rest of our wonderfully incompetent politicians are not forced to watch it.

336836 Kelly deacons, replying to Kelly deacons, 15, #689 of 2045 🔗

Dear God,Johnson whitty and vallance again at 5!what fresh hell is this?

336842 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Kelly deacons, 18, #690 of 2045 🔗

Switch off your tele, done that months ago, one of the best things I’ve done in my life.

336859 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Andrew K, 5, #691 of 2045 🔗

Spot on.

By not engaging with the abuser they have no power.

336933 ▶▶▶ nootnoot, replying to Andrew K, 5, #692 of 2045 🔗

This is a very good point. I’ve avoided mainstream media and any kind of media that is pro government decisions. It does make you feel better but still angry when you have other memebers of the family relying on the BBC for example for their ‘balanced’ news on Covid. My wife put on the news yesterday for Fuhrer Sturgeon’s update and it made me feel physically sick.

337116 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to nootnoot, #693 of 2045 🔗

This is exactly the situation I’m in. Mrs. M believes that the BBC- the only news organisation she will listen to- is the way, the truth and the light.

336854 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Kelly deacons, 6, #694 of 2045 🔗

Well, its all part of the abusers trick isn’t it. They don’t need to say anything. They only need people to live with their oppressor foremost in their minds to have the desired effect.

Looming – it has been employed across the 4 nations by the controllers as they rip apart customs and traditions. Sturgeon has diverged slightly by creating the grotesque goblin hour daily tv show. She has created a depemdency among her cult which slightly foregoes the looming.

Without any such cult base the london coup cabal of boris cock etc are able to employ looming. They have repeatedly loomed through weekends to destabilise days of relative peace.

336887 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Kelly deacons, 4, #695 of 2045 🔗

I’m hoping it’s just a clarification of detail particularly around schools and colleges as a number of students were due to sit BTEC exams over the next couple of weeks. Obviously it came as a shock to Boris and pals that people study anything other than PPE and Art History.

336943 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to Kelly deacons, 1, #696 of 2045 🔗

Moe, Curly, and Larry again.

337070 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Kelly deacons, 1, #697 of 2045 🔗

Let’s hope somebody blows them up

337199 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Kelly deacons, 1, #698 of 2045 🔗

Watch out for those falsified graphs, how the British people are to blame for all of this, industrial levels of lies and more and more and more scaremongering. Gove’s been interviewed this morning and said all this shitshow will last until Easter.

337236 ▶▶ jos, replying to Kelly deacons, 1, #699 of 2045 🔗

Check out the inevitable barely-hidden smirking in today’s briefing as evidenced in BJs short talk yesterday- he could barely contain his glee at having duped us – none of them ever look as if they are even interested in how much harm this is doing

336844 Crystal Decanter, 6, #700 of 2045 🔗

Gab.com
Join the group #Britfam
This be where the sceptical denizens dwell

336849 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 35, #701 of 2045 🔗

For 4 years we’ve been told that Trump is a megalomaniac. Every time somebody disagrees with him they get sacked. The newspapers fall over themselves painting him as a madman.

Now there are many people who want to make it illegal for people to question and/or disagree with government actions.

What’s the difference?

336860 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Nobody2021, 10, #702 of 2045 🔗

None at all.

337048 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #703 of 2045 🔗

I’m starting to see Trump as completely reasonable and sane which I never thought I’d do.

336850 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 26, #704 of 2045 🔗

Doesn’t everyone go out for a specific reason? The people running this government are on a different planet to the rest of us. The drivel they spout is brain numbing.

336855 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #705 of 2045 🔗

Correct. Take a read of the latest restrictions. So many exemptions (elite sports people?! Buying a house?!) to make an absolute mockery od the whole thing. Whenever I go out it’s for a specific reason.

DavidC

336890 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to DavidC, 12, #706 of 2045 🔗

“Just popping out, love, for no reason whatsoever. I have no idea where I’m going or even what my first footstep will be – you know, just like always. Ta ra”.

337230 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Sam Vimes, -1, #707 of 2045 🔗

Exactly Sam! I live on my own and that’s what I say to myself every time I go out!

DavidC

336852 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #708 of 2045 🔗

According to my MP:

Parliament is being recalled tomorrow and a vote on the measures will take place then. Lockdowns have worked, their aim is to reduce cases and hospitalisations to stop the NHS becoming overwhelmed.

336869 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cheezilla, 18, #709 of 2045 🔗

How will they fund the NHS when the jobs are gone and businesses close?

337195 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to this is my username, 1, #710 of 2045 🔗

All I know is that the Government need to issue an order to Consultants and Surgeons to cancel all their private work (which they spend more than 50% of their time doing despite being employed full time by the NHS) and work on clearing all the backlog of elective surgery, urgent life saving operations, resume diagnostic services and resume life saving treatment.

What we have right now is neither light nor ornament. An NHS in which many many hospitals are running seriously under capacity, where it would appear, some hospitals have deliberately cut their ICU capacity (I presume in order to make the crisis look worse), where diagnostic services, elective surgery and life saving treatments have been cancelled but are completely underwhelmed by Covid and a history of chronic levels of absence due to sick leave (nice little ruse that one).

337014 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #711 of 2045 🔗

Lockdowns have worked? really. Did your MP tell you exactly how many lives that they saved, in that case?

337031 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 5, #712 of 2045 🔗

I’ve written back and asked him to supply proof that lockdowns have worked.

337843 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Cheezilla, #713 of 2045 🔗

I emailed my MP this afternoon pointing out that they haven’t requested or received the cost/benefit analysis they need to put the proposed lockdown measures into context.

336863 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #714 of 2045 🔗

Laurence Fox tweets
The Office for National Statistics (ONS) found that rates of depression have doubled from around 1 in 10 (9.7 per cent) before the pandemic (July 2019 to March 2020) to almost one in five adults (19.2 per cent) during the pandemic (June 2020).’

336918 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basics, 5, #715 of 2045 🔗

BigPharma must be salivating at that statistic – loads more anti-depressant prescriptions.

336866 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 40, #717 of 2045 🔗

As a student, I cannot believe how pathetic the majority of students are with this. Apart from the Manchester students who actually made some noise it seems like students everywhere else don’t seem to care. Yes they complain about having to pay full fees and complain about their mental health but every single student complaining finishes what they’re saying with “of course this is necessary so please follow the rules so students can be treated better”

Get a grip, students are getting thrown under the bus for a disease which hardly threatens them because some bedwetting university staff are too scared to teach them but still want them to open their wallets. Students used to be the biggest protestors but now the government has them under its thumb as well. We’re witnessing the most effective coup in history.

336878 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ricky1, 26, #718 of 2045 🔗

Yes, it’s hard to believe. I’m a university lecturer and have seen that most students lack any sense of direction or independent thought. It’s worse than ever. People need to stand up for themselves. They are far too passive. That’s how this current shitshow has been allowed to get started and progress so far.

336888 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #719 of 2045 🔗

Another consequence of the massive broadening of university access? Or just that the 1960s and subsequent generations had political backing from the left for their bolshiness as well as wider “baby boom” generational numbers on their side?

337028 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Mark, 1, #720 of 2045 🔗

Perhaps it’s about consumerism? I don’t know. Part of it is probably the big problem with infantilisation (the ‘cotton wool generation’). I also think it’s the rubbish public education systems in the UK (and Scotland is now worse than England on that – but don’t blame it on the SNP, which has been in power here for over 13 years).

337035 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #721 of 2045 🔗

Rarely one simple explanation for any major real world societal issue, I think, so probably all of the above, plus their interactions…

337056 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #722 of 2045 🔗

They are the second cotton-wool generation.They have never really lived, and they don’t know what living is for.

336904 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tom in Scotland, 5, #723 of 2045 🔗

I went to university in the 1980s and although there were protesters about, Thatcherism was starting to get a grip. By the late 1990s a female University Challenge participant interviewed by The Grauniad actually made a point of stressing that she didn’t believe in “protest camps”. About a year later she was interviewed and mentioned her difficulties in finding work after graduation, this being in the first year or two of the Blair era. She might as well have protested when she had the chance.

337157 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #724 of 2045 🔗

About 15 or so years ago there were occupations by students protesting tuition fees or something. One dropped a fire extinguisher off a roof. It didn’t even hit anyone but he was promptly arrested and they threw the book at him. Subsequent protests lost much of their militancy.
Some of the publicised arrests and/or fines of people filming empty hospitals, playing dominoes (huge crime!) seem designed to deter others. Obviously not just students. Students getting huge fines for having others over for a party is another example of the intimidation tactic.

336881 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ricky1, 5, #725 of 2045 🔗

Regardless of the wider political issues involved, students at the time, and subsequent students gained hugely from the bolshiness of the protest generation.

This generation (present company excepted obviously) have no grounds for complaint at their treatment since they are unwilling to stand up against it, and instead are actively complicit in the way you describe.

They deserve what they are getting and will get. Just a shame they drag the few dissenters down with them..

336906 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 7, #726 of 2045 🔗

There are people I have spoken to but who know or suspect it’s bollocks but feel powerless and choose to put their heads in the sand in order to not have to face the horror – and it is horrible

If those people had a public champion with a big voice – say an opposition party – then they may get more motivated to speak up

336889 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Ricky1, 10, #727 of 2045 🔗

It’s the social media generation. No thought can be expressed without considering how popular it will be. Thumbs down are a big no no. Better to just post an emoji.

Even if they were to get together for a protest they’d all still be messaging each other trying to coordinate.

337133 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Ricky1, 1, #728 of 2045 🔗

I know that there are some student protest groups around – Unlock Oxford being one of them. In all honesty I’m unsure of how to protest – I’m printing out stickers to scatter around town and I’m planning to distribute the ‘back to normal postcards’ but I don’t know what else to do other than not wear a mask and continuing to see my boyfriend (a fellow sceptic). I expect that most students will stay at their family homes now which makes in person protests difficult to organise.

337158 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #729 of 2045 🔗

A good reason for keeping students at home. Not that they’ve done any protesting in any case.

337149 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ricky1, 1, #730 of 2045 🔗

I remember launching missiles at the pigs during the poll tax riots
we got that shit reversed (sort of)
memories

336868 danny, replying to danny, 18, #731 of 2045 🔗

Vote of no confidence in the PM in the pipeline.
To anyone living in a conservative seat, email your MP urgently, plus Graham Brady.

336882 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to danny, 3, #732 of 2045 🔗

Where did you hear this? It’s about the only democratic thing parliament have got left, wonder which way Starmer would vote .

336900 ▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to danny, 4, #733 of 2045 🔗

What would be the point?

Who will they replace him with? Gove ? Handjob? *unt? Sunak? who will do anything different?

336922 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anti_socalist, 6, #734 of 2045 🔗

Just the threat of enough letters to Graham Brady would get serious attention for Boris Johnson. The last thing he would want would be to have to face a leadership contest. And if such a contest were forced on this issue, all the candidates would have to address it, and address in a manner that would be acceptable to the grassroots of the party, rather than to the establishment. In such a debate, traditional conservative values would privilege: offer people advice and allow them to make their own choices.

336942 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #735 of 2045 🔗

That seems very optimistic sadly i don’t have that much faith in today’s batch of politicians.

336947 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anti_socalist, 1, #736 of 2045 🔗

It is not a matter of faith in politicians; it is a matter of the rules for triggering a contest and the rules for election, which put the final two candidates to the party membership.

336976 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #737 of 2045 🔗

So who in the tory party will threaten comrade Boris with freedom? You have to have a credible alternative even if its a bluff.

I think we’ve more chance of a military coup to set boris free of the influence of his mistresses influence than another tory leadership race.

The conservative party is a neo-liberal party now, face it the UK is a totalitarian dictatorship.

337009 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #738 of 2045 🔗

Yes, agree, it’s not just the fact that any potential leadership challenge needs to be addressed, but how stupid will Labour look if this is going on & they continue to sit there, “Yes Prime Minister, three bags full Prime Minister, whatever you want Prime Minister…”

336990 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to danny, 2, #739 of 2045 🔗

To be replaced by another supine Tory nitwit ??
better the dictator you know

337077 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #740 of 2045 🔗

Yes, but it would signify that he does not have our support. Even if he wins, it would colour the narrative.

336875 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #741 of 2045 🔗

Good article in the BMJ

Peter Doshi: Pfizer and Moderna’s “95% effective” vaccines—we need more details and the raw data

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/

Couple of pullouts – you need to read the whole thing.

“The 371 individuals excluded from Pfizer vaccine efficacy analysis

“Another reason we need more data is to analyse an unexplained detail found in a table of FDA’s review of Pfizer’s vaccine: 371 individuals excluded from the efficacy analysis for “important protocol deviations on or prior to 7 days after Dose 2.” What is concerning is the imbalance between randomized groups in the number of these excluded individuals: 311 from the vaccine group vs 60 on placebo. (In contrast, in Moderna’s trial, there were just 36 participants excluded from the efficacy analysis for “major protocol deviation”—12 vaccine group vs 24 placebo group.)

“What were these protocol deviations in Pfizer’s study, and why were there five times more participants excluded in the vaccine group? The FDA report doesn’t say, and these exclusions are difficult to even spot in Pfizer’s report and journal publication.”

[…]

“Nor do we know enough about the processes of the primary event adjudication committees that counted covid-19 cases. Were they blinded to antibody data and information on patients’ symptoms in the first week after vaccination? What criteria did they employ, and why, with a primary event consisting of a patient-reported outcome (covid-19 symptoms) and PCR test result, was such a committee even necessary? It’s also important to understand who was on these committees. While Moderna has named its four-member adjudication committee—all university-affiliated physicians—Pfizer’s protocol says three Pfizer employees did the work. Yes, Pfizer staff members.”

Worth reading in full.

336898 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 5, #742 of 2045 🔗

My MP said it’s 89% effective from first dose only – where did she get this from?

336912 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, 2, #743 of 2045 🔗

Arse? Matt hancocks?

The vaccines were not given emergency approval on the basis of a job half done, the approval was given for the results after two.

Using vaccine loosely of course because we are a long way away from the common meaning.

There is a comms dept within the government that has recently been set up to disseminate/control the flow of bs out to MPs. Apologies I cannot name that dept or indeed put names to it.

Hey, ask your MP the question! What are you asking me for!

336948 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 2, #744 of 2045 🔗

Hey, ask your MP the question! What are you asking me for!”

That’s a fair point. I like to know the answers to questions before I ask my MP. I was kind of assuming the 89% came from somewhere but was somewhat questionable.

337018 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, #745 of 2045 🔗

You make a good argument too. I’ve no idea where 89% comes from. It’s a good question!

336877 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #746 of 2045 🔗

I’d like to strike a brighter note if I can. I was thinking about Dan Hodges and his sudden conversion to uberzealot. His prediction that the next few weeks will show how unprecedentedly wrong we were etc.

Dan Hodges predicted a victory for Yes in the Scottish referendum of 2014.

He predicted an easy victory for Remain in the Brexit referendum.

On US election night 2016 he tweeted “relax guys she’s got this”

On UK election night 2017 he tweeted “Jeremy Corbyn will be the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.”

He forecast a hung Parliament and unrelenting Brexit chaos in 2019.

Most hilariously of all, he declared that Biden was going to win the US election in 2020.

Sceptics should be relieved that this utter piece of damp toast has lined up behind Piers Morgan.

(Glenda Jackson haranguing him from his granny flat may be one mitigating factor.)

336883 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #747 of 2045 🔗

Many thanks for this! Looks like this idiot has a track record like that of Neil Ferguson.

336896 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Tom in Scotland, -28, #748 of 2045 🔗

Can we really say that Neil Ferguson has been proved wrong yet?

336907 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Mayo, 3, #749 of 2045 🔗

You can’t prove what he does wrong unless you allow it to happen.

What we can say is that different people all come up with different models using the same data.

They can’t all be proven to be right.

337153 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #750 of 2045 🔗

I read somewhere I think it was yesterday or the day before that Pantsdown had predicted that by the end of February 2020 9bn people in the world would have CV-19. I thought there were only 8bn people in the world?

What we also know is that Pantsdown has repeatedly got it wrong for CSJ etc and outrageously wrong. His modelling that half a million people would be dead by June if Lockdowns weren’t imposed proved to be a complete lie. Never happened. In October when SAGE wanted to force Lockdown 2, they provided falsified, seriously manipulated and out of date graphs predicting that, without Lockdown there would be 4,000 deaths a day. Never happened. Now for this Lockdown they have predicted that, without Lockdown 250,000 people would be hospitalised. Won’t happen.

So, I think Mayo, on balance, we can prove to a high statistical level that SAGE and Pantsdown’s modelling is a pile of doggy do, predicated on false narratives, false or seriously flawed modelling and sheer outright lies.

The REAL data tells a completely different story, and that is fact from Government data collection and stats.

336927 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 4, #751 of 2045 🔗

Yes. Sweden.

337006 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Steve Hayes, -8, #752 of 2045 🔗

Ferguson didn’t provide any projections for Sweden.

337125 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 4, #753 of 2045 🔗

His model was used to make projections for Sweden. 100,000 dead if BAU, 80,000 if some simple health advice

336935 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 9, #754 of 2045 🔗

Yes, he has always been wrong in the past and he was catastrophically wrong this time. His model gave us the 500,000 if we behaved like Sweden. When applied to Sweden it gave them 80,000 if they behaved like Sweden. The ensuing panic made them empty the NHS into the care homes and killed 40,000. The panic closing of the NHS killed 20,000 from untreated cancers and 10,000 too scared to go to hospital with heart attacks.

You can’t get much wronger than that. Most excess deaths were caused by the panicked response to Ferguson’s model.

337040 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, -7, #755 of 2045 🔗

Yes, he has always been wrong in the past and he was catastrophically wrong this time. His model gave us the 500,000 if we behaved like Sweden.

Wrong. His model predicted 500k deaths – if we did nothing. Sweden did introduce interventions.

Most excess deaths were caused by the panicked response to Ferguson’s model.

Not in Spring. Some of the more recent deaths (I reckon about 30% possible) may have been due to issues related to lockdown.

Ferguson’s prediction was 500k – in a ‘business as usual’ scenario. He predicted several outcomes under different scenarios including ~40k deaths if the UK adopted full suppression.

He also predicted low prevalence June to September before a second wave of the virus kicked in.

337052 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mayo, #756 of 2045 🔗

Nonsense. Have you even been to Sweden recently? I was in Stockholm for a long weekend in October and it was pretty much life as normal.

337080 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to leggy, 1, #757 of 2045 🔗

You mean the streets were not piled with blonde, festering corpses as a result of the callous refusal to lock down?

337086 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to leggy, -5, #758 of 2045 🔗

The UK was pretty normal for most of June and July and I didn’t notice much difference until November

337108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mayo, 1, #759 of 2045 🔗

The UK wasn’t normal in March and April when Sweden was, was it.

337172 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 2, #760 of 2045 🔗

UK hasn’t been normal since March 23rd

336946 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 2, #761 of 2045 🔗

Yes. Several times – without any odd redeeming hit on the target.

The latest Scary Fairy still remains in the future – but I’m not holding my breath based on the past record from this serial incompetent.

336952 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, 7, #762 of 2045 🔗

We can say he looks like a twat, behaves like a twat, produces twat stats, promotes twattish policies, twattishly doesn’t follow his own rules and has helped create a nation of twats.

Otherwise I suggest you take a look at Sweden to see just how wrong he was.

337049 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to OKUK, -3, #763 of 2045 🔗

Otherwise I suggest you take a look at Sweden to see just how wrong he was.

1/ Did Ferguson provide a prediction for Sweden?
2/ Ferguon’s extreme projections were for a ‘business as usual’ scenario.
3/ Sweden introduced a number of intervention measures.
4/ The virus is still circulating.

337170 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Mayo, 1, #764 of 2045 🔗

Sure, and Sweden right now has covid deaths in single figures.

337183 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, #765 of 2045 🔗

Sweden played a blinder. Some simple public health advice, a first wave less deadly than ours and a small second wave. Overall mortality within the envelope of recent years.

When millions of people have starved to death and millions of kids died of preventable diseases – Sweden’s hands will be clean

336955 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, #766 of 2045 🔗

“All models are wrong, but some are useful” – coined by the statistician, George Box….models provide a powerful basis for decision-making but we must be aware of the assumptions, model mis-specifications and the dynamic socio-economic and political environment of the real world.’

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/business-school/news/all-models-are-wrong-some-are-useful/

336957 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #767 of 2045 🔗

Some models are useful and some models are Ferguson’s

336994 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to steve_w, 1, #768 of 2045 🔗

Some models have such a range of outcomes that their idiot author can be “right” whatever happens. But the idiot author can still go round broadcasting studios emphasising the worst case outcomes and so spread hysterical alarm and morale-sapping despondency. Of course when I say “idiot author” I don’t mean Ferguson, necessarily. Others are jn the same mould. Their common background seems to be an absence of any training in biology and a fondness for lefty politics.

337078 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Tim Bidie, -6, #769 of 2045 🔗

Also, before judging models, it’s advisable to read up on exactly what the model output says.

Models normally project a number of scenarios. This, of course, allows so-called ‘sceptics’ to focus on the most extreme of these and declare the model wrong without any context.

Ferguson’s prediction for the UK in a full suppression scenario was ~40k deaths – so pretty good.

337109 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Mayo, 1, #770 of 2045 🔗

40k to 500k, quite a difference. Ferguson was wrong end of but his previous record should have had him nowhere near government decisions. CCP Shutdowns have done nothing but delay spread and Wales, Spain, New York I could go on tell clearly what a stupid concept they are.

Ferguson was the original driver in starting the panic that got schools shut again. Shutting down infant education in particular is just evil.

337176 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Mayo, #771 of 2045 🔗

I’d be at least as interested in the model inputs. And assumptions.

337179 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Bill H, #772 of 2045 🔗

Oh yes. And the track record of the ‘modeller’.

337245 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, #773 of 2045 🔗

the politicians won’t read the paper. They’ll just look at his stupid graphs, panic and make a monumental devastating mistake – over and over again

337024 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mayo, 6, #774 of 2045 🔗

The idiot is back

337094 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Cecil B, -7, #775 of 2045 🔗

Why do you bother? What point is it that you are trying to make

337042 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Mayo, 4, #776 of 2045 🔗

Fuck off you 77 cunt

337090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Jaguarpig, -6, #777 of 2045 🔗

Brilliant. Another stunning argument from a lockdown “sceptic”.

Pathetic.

337050 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Mayo, 3, #778 of 2045 🔗

Tom was talking abut Pantsdown’s track record, which is one of abysmal failure,

336893 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -17, #779 of 2045 🔗

Most hilariously of all, he declared that Biden was going to win the US election in 2020.

As things stand, Biden HAS won the US Election and, to be fair, the 2017 GE was a lot closer than many thought it would be

336956 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, 12, #780 of 2045 🔗

If you think a Democrat can genuinely win a Presidential election without winning Ohio or Florida, without winning the vast majority of belwether counties, and yet, overall, out-perform Obama, while being a senile septuagenarian incapable of stringing a sentence together then I think you’re mad.

336975 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #781 of 2045 🔗

And that is just the starting point for considering whether there was fraud. There have also been: videoed claims by a senior professor in China who works with the Chinese President that the CCP engineered Biden’s election; many mathetical proofs that various Biden results in various precincts were off the scale improbable; documented negative movements on Trump’s vote, sometimes with simple switches between the two candidates (something never before seen); video evidence documenting illegal counting of what it is now pretty certain were fraudulent ballots; video evidence showing palming of a USB from a voting machjne; documented evidence of Dominion machines being linked to the internet and communicating with a Chinese company; and a huge amount of instances of documented fraud e.g. people voting from business addresses in other states.

It’s more like something Mugabe would organise.

I am outraged that the people we pay for in the USA, the BBC reporters, have colluded in this fraud by remaining silent on it and now denying it, in effect.

337057 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to OKUK, -5, #782 of 2045 🔗

It’s doesn’t matter what I think. Nor does it matter how improbable I think the pattern of voting was.

If Hodges says Biden will be President – and Biden does, in fact, become President then Hodges will be right. For all I know Hodges may have factored in possible ‘anomalies’ in his prediction.

336973 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mayo, -1, #783 of 2045 🔗

That’s not how the US election process works. Even if one candidate had 90 percent of votes they are still elected by each state’s legislature through the electorial college. It’s in the Consitution and was put in place over the many years to be a backstop.

337104 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to mhcp, -2, #784 of 2045 🔗

I’m not sure what your point is. I know how US elections work. I simply said as things stand Biden will be President. I think it’s still very, very likely that will be the eventual outcome.

If you have any information to the contrary then please share it – or keep it to yourself and find a bookie who’s still willing to take bets on the next President

337115 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Mayo, #785 of 2045 🔗

He won by cheating on a scale never seen before.

336908 ▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #786 of 2045 🔗

LOL! A good point, very well made.

337146 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #787 of 2045 🔗

It seems to me that this Lockdown is really all about mass censorship and social isolation because from where I’m sitting, the Sceptic point of view is really taking hold now and breaking through and people are angry. They aren’t controlling the message enough. We all know on here that, if the MSM was doing its job properly, this would have finished in April.

337160 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #788 of 2045 🔗

Keep people angry.

336879 Tangelo, 2, #789 of 2045 🔗

Further censorship. I don’t know if this has been posted before, but Talk Radio have been removed from YouTube today.

336885 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 16, #790 of 2045 🔗

Having managed to establish late last night that preschools are staying open, I took my three-year-old in this morning to discover that all the staff have decided to start wearing masks all the time. Now I need to figure out what legal ground I stand on if (when) I remove him and refuse to pay this term’s fees.

336999 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to mattghg, 3, #791 of 2045 🔗

If these pathetic dimwits REALLY believe they should wear muzzles, then why the sodding hell don’t they wear TRANSPARENT ones? Easily found on the internet, as effective as any bit of Chinese paper. And they don’t frighten the horses – or the children.

337015 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to mattghg, 1, #792 of 2045 🔗

Usfortthem.co.uk could help

336886 PatrickF, 6, #793 of 2045 🔗

The Fat Controller to broadcast at 5pm. Time to unleash the graph!

336891 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 26, #794 of 2045 🔗

Sturgeon justifying the pre-emptive strike on the virus. If we act now we will avoid further actions in future.

Funny because that was what she said before ramping up the restrictions right before Xmas.

336897 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #795 of 2045 🔗

It was.

336915 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #796 of 2045 🔗

She is also saying that ICUs in Scotland are currently above normal winter levels. Can anyone check if this is correct?

336920 ▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to dpj, 3, #797 of 2045 🔗

As a general rule of thumb anything emanating from her mouth is unintelligible and/or dishonest.

336919 ▶▶ kev, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #798 of 2045 🔗

Lockdown 3.0 – to save Easter

How many days will the 4 nations tyrannies allow us this time? And then snatch away when we’ve made plans and already bought food, drink and provisions.

Cynical? Nah

336902 Steve Hayes, 27, #799 of 2045 🔗

Exercise Cygnus was conducted in 2016. Jeremy Hunt was the Health Secretary at the time. It concluded that in the event of a pandemic, the NHS would be overwhelmed. And it was only a matter of time before the next pandemic. So obviously the government immediately set about creating enhanced capacity in order to ensure that did not happen. So obviously the government immediately set about drafting legislation that would allow government by ministerial decree.

In January 2020 it because clear that the inevitable pandemic was happening. So the government immediately secured the borders to ensure that the infectious agent was not imported and immediately sought to increase NHS capacity. So the government immediately decided on expert advice to keep the borders open, ensuring that the infectious agent would be imported, which happened later that month when two Chinese people landed at Heathrow and moved freely around the country until when they reached York they sought medical help and were found to have the disease.

After reviewing all the available evidence, on 19 March 2020 the government judged that the virus was not a high consequence infectious disease. So the government decided to respond the the disease as it responses to other infectious respiratory illnesses . So on the next day, the prime minister announced the lockdown measures, expanding this on 23 March and pushing through legislation without debate or division, which became law on 25 March: which at Part 2 Section 90 provided for the government to do anything by ministerial fiat.

One could go through the whole of the past year writing such paragraphs – where every time the sensible policy has to be crossed out and the irrational, irresponsible, incompetent policy has to be put in its place.

We are in a position where whatever happens the government is (in its view) right, regardless of evidence or reason (because the policy responses are not being driven by evidence and reason). If the numbers go up (it does not matter what is being measured: coronavirus related deaths, excess deaths, cases, the R number, hospitalisations, whatever), it proves that more draconian restrictions are necessary; if the numbers go down, it proves the restrictions are working. There is no possibility of falsification. The government has adopted Tony Blair’s “I only know what I believe” as its standard.

336910 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 34, #800 of 2045 🔗

Meanwhile on the BBC

336936 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #801 of 2045 🔗

Excellent.

336913 Biggles, 12, #802 of 2045 🔗

Julia Hartley-Brewer is getting all nostalgic about the lockdowns we had in 2017 and 2018. Oh hang on………….

336921 Aslangeo, 22, #803 of 2045 🔗

just found on twitter – classic

336923 PastImperfect, 14, #804 of 2045 🔗

WED 6 Jan 21 Noon Westminster

336929 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #805 of 2045 🔗

Just watched this clip of boris speaking to camera yesterday.

Aren’t his eyes flitting back and forth as he reads his bedtime story? Who does his writting? Who’s words is he saying?

https://youtu.be/76niETp1_Q0

336950 ▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to Basics, 4, #806 of 2045 🔗

Boris’s honey trap controller 🙂

336983 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basics, 4, #807 of 2045 🔗

I’d love for The Behaviour Panel to watch some of the press conferences and analyse the body language.

337059 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, 3, #808 of 2045 🔗

I’ve though for some time he looks scared shitless in front of the camera.

336931 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #809 of 2045 🔗

The Bozzer to make a statement at 5 pm.
What F××king about??
PS: Perhaps to announce his resignation?

336941 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #810 of 2045 🔗

I wish, he need to shut the hell up!

my other half was fuming last night as he has closed the golf course. He said “ I want to get a gun and go shoot the ********

Insert own expletive

336954 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to CapLlam, 10, #811 of 2045 🔗

If he’s closed down golf courses ,he’s no doubt closed down angling as well ( my hobby).
A bit too cold for a 72 year old at the moment, but not for a fat 56 year old tosser.
A pair of concrete wellingtons would suit him perfectly.

336967 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to CapLlam, 4, #812 of 2045 🔗

He is not alone in that sentiment!

336971 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #813 of 2045 🔗

I suppose harikiri/seppuku is too much to hope for?

336995 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to trevorpee, 4, #814 of 2045 🔗

Come on Trev, he’s that useless he’d probably cut his cock off.

337001 ▶▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #815 of 2045 🔗

Fact check: True.

336985 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #816 of 2045 🔗

The current torture trick is ‘How long will nurseries stay open?’

Maybe today’s the day Donatien Alphonse Boris de Pfeffel Sade closes them. Maybe not. But parents will spend all day on tenterhooks.

This is an abusive relationship. The point of Covid now is humiliation.

336998 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ovis, 2, #817 of 2045 🔗

He who laughs last, laughs longest.

337016 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #818 of 2045 🔗

It’s to announce those arse covering plugs I mentioned yesterday. To be issued to all MPs. Not only will they keep the rona out, but they will keep their odious gases in. Hopefully, they will start exploding soon after.

337130 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #819 of 2045 🔗

Boris is going to come out as a Tranny

337167 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Crystal Decanter, #820 of 2045 🔗

Boris is going to come out as a Tranny”

A transitorised wireless set?


337132 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #821 of 2045 🔗

Today? What about. Sick and tired of him.

336938 Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #822 of 2045 🔗

I hope that 80k number in the dashboard wasn’t an artefact of a contamination incident or spreadsheet mistake, as that is the justification for this lockdown:

How Boris Johnson went from tiers to lockdown in just 36 hours | Daily Mail Online

336944 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 23, #823 of 2045 🔗

So You Tube has closed down the Talk Radio channel. Talk Radio operate under Ofcom…so what’s You Tube’s beef? Well we know its Talk Radio’s failure to follow the globalist narrative. Alex Belfield comments rhat You Tube particularly don’t like non compliant being given any oubkicity at all. No doubt that daft witless censor-friendly official BBC conspiracy finder general, Marianna Spring will be delighted.

Outrageous and then I bet not a single MP speaks up in in ghe House of Commons Talk Radio’s defence…

336951 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to OKUK, 10, #824 of 2045 🔗

I wonder what the actual ‘offence’ was. I noticed a change in tack the other week when they seemed less strident in their lockdown scepticism.

336978 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, 5, #825 of 2045 🔗

I noticed that too. Someone has obviously Had A Quiet Word, haven’t they?

337003 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, 3, #826 of 2045 🔗

It will just be the usual Orwellian “failure to follow community guidelines”.

336962 ▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to OKUK, 8, #827 of 2045 🔗

Saddened but not surprised by this news, I predict the authorities eg. police etc & neoliberal NGO’s/social media will be much more brutal in their censorship & enforcement this time round, i think we’ll start seeing societal cracks widen i fear things are about to get nasty very soon.

336966 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to OKUK, 3, #828 of 2045 🔗

Faceberg will probably be next as they all act in cahoots

336969 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to OKUK, 6, #829 of 2045 🔗

I can’t imagine they were happy with Julia Hartley-Brewer’s interviews of the vermin gaining a wide audience. I watched a clip on Twatter of her speaking to Pob – and to think he was being spoken of as a potential leader not so very long ago.

337005 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to trevorpee, 1, #830 of 2045 🔗

Pob???

337010 ▶▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to OKUK, 2, #831 of 2045 🔗

I believe some Earthlings know him as Gove.

337163 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to trevorpee, 2, #832 of 2045 🔗

Yes – Gove the ex(?)-Coke-head….

337223 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to dhid, -1, #833 of 2045 🔗

I don’t like him and I don’t take cocaine but if he wants (or wanted) to then as an adult that should be his own choice.

DavidC

337289 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to DavidC, 1, #834 of 2045 🔗

I think you’ll find it’s a criminal offence, established in law!

As an employee of the public, engaged in telling others what they may, or may not, do, he is NOT entitled to take it, anymore than you or I, or anyone else, would be “entitled” to drink and drive you fool.

337411 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to dhid, -2, #835 of 2045 🔗

For sure, I’m aware it’s against the law. I didn’t use the word entitled though. Are you calling me a fool?

DavidC

337495 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to DavidC, #836 of 2045 🔗

Yes – if you don’t understand that saying:

I don’t like him and I don’t take cocaine but if he wants (or wanted) to then as an adult that should be his own choice .”

IS saying he is “entitled” you utter fuckwit!

337609 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to dhid, -2, #837 of 2045 🔗

I’m quite happy to discuss points, semantics or meanings but not when you resort to personal insults. I haven’t insulted you, please give me the same respect.

DavidC

337783 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to DavidC, #838 of 2045 🔗

“I’m quite happy to discuss points, semantics or meanings but not when you resort to personal insults. I haven’t insulted you, please give me the same respect.
DavidC”

You really are a bloody hypocrite aren’t you?

You expect respect for your pointless comment to me, but you apparently feel it’s OK to use insults in your posts elsewhere today – by the way I don’t personally care what you said in them – I’m just pointing out that you are an arsehole expecting me not to use the same comments you have ….

“DavidC
4 hours ago
Reply to Basics
Good. I’ve just taken a look at the link. Another one of those chirpy pretty ‘looks good on TV’ fuckwits who really know fuck all. Forgive my language but what a braindead.

DavidC”

And:

“DavidC
4 hours ago
Reply to Basics
Good. I’ve just taken a look at the link. Another one of those chirpy pretty ‘looks good on TV’ fuckwits who really know fuck all. Forgive my language but what a braindead.

DavidC”

Got it?

I had no wish to discuss anything with you, until you decided that you would point out to me that, in your bizarre and rather pointless opinion, it would be OK if a member of the UK Gov., who tells us what to do, is, free to take a Class A illegal drug.

Really? Get a life – wanker!

337883 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, #839 of 2045 🔗

Re last above – I actually didn’t paste in the second comment “DavidC” made, but the first twice – can’t frankly be arsed to find the second one again….

338311 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to dhid, #840 of 2045 🔗

Yeah, I know what you mean… I can’t be arsed either.

DavidC

338310 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to dhid, #841 of 2045 🔗

None of the other comments were ad hominem, albeit they expressed my frustration and anger with those people. I note you’ve done the exactly the same in some of your comments today. Your comments were direct ad hominem insults to me. I haven’t done the same to you, nor am I going to.

For the record, I personally don’t think it’s OK for a member of the UK government to take a class A drug (which, after all, has only been decreed a class A drug by government. At one time it wasn’t – bear in mind the original coca cola contained extract of coca). I don’t take drugs (other than alcohol) but if anyone wants to take substances, having measured the risks, then if that’s their choice I don’t think I’m ‘entitled’ to say they shouldn’t. It’s illegal and if they get caught that’s their lookout however.

I didn’t point out to you in a bizarre and rather pointless opinion that it would be OK – you responded to MY comment, with an inference that wasn’t in my post, to which I replied. I didn’t intiate it, you did.

You’ve called me a fool (I’m not), an arsehole (I’m not), an utter fuckwit (I’m not), a bloody hypocrite (I’m not) and a wanker (well, if you’re a normal male then I’m sure you and I have both had our moments).

You can reply if you want to, I won’t be posting any further replies.

DavidC

337022 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, #842 of 2045 🔗

I doubt You Tube even know who he is . I expect an algorithm has brought Talk Radio to their attention .,

336981 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to OKUK, 3, #843 of 2045 🔗

I didn’t know this, because I’ve tried every displacement activity I can today, to avoid overload. So this is yet another punishment. Drip, drip.

336964 Tyneside Tigress 2021, 12, #844 of 2045 🔗

Using predicted grades again for A Level and GCSEs. Of course this will be to the benefit of those sharp-elbowed parents in the nice middle class areas, you know, the ones who can help out at the extra-curricular events and have important jobs. I wonder how many of the current crop of Government ministers might have kids in those year groups. Let me see!

336965 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 17, #845 of 2045 🔗

Haha with all the homeschooling now is the time to teach kids about liberty and responsibility instead of the guff they get recycled in schools.

337002 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mhcp, 7, #846 of 2045 🔗

History: The Peasants’ Revolt 1381.
Science: Galileo.
Economics: Tulip Mania.
Is that the sort of thing you have in mind?

337027 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #847 of 2045 🔗

Yep. Even good olf Issac Newton. Made a killing at the start of the Tulip Mania and got out sensibly. Then his mates badgered him and got back in at the height and lost much more.

You could also add Ulcers being only due to acid and Plate Tectonics

337038 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to mhcp, 1, #848 of 2045 🔗

I didn’t know ulcers were due to plate tectonics, mchp! Tell the BBC immediately!

337068 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #849 of 2045 🔗

History: The Peterloo massacre. When the ruling classes really get worried by a lack of social distancing.

336968 dhid, replying to dhid, 26, #850 of 2045 🔗

Oh dear, dickhead Ian Collins is back on Talk Radio again now – just called the woman who posted video of empty hospital wards and who was arrested, a “nutter”.

He’s sure all the hospitals are full up.

What a twat.

336982 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to dhid, 8, #851 of 2045 🔗

Last week I was an inpatient in a hospital that had very few patients. Yet, one of those patients, who had been there for days and been all over the hospital, was certain that the NHS was overwhelmed. He knew this because he had seen it on the BBC News on his phone. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2021/01/admitted-to-hospital-in-time-of.html

336987 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #852 of 2045 🔗

It’s difficult to know what to say to that, isn’t it?

Edit: P.S. – hope you heal up quickly and can get back on your bike when you want to. I don’t suppose the roads had been gritted by any chance? Nothing round here on the days we has ice on the roads.

337060 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to dhid, 2, #853 of 2045 🔗

The place where I fell off my bike wasn’t the road. It was a town square. On the roads, with the traffic, there was no ice, but on the square, without traffic, there was black ice, which is why I hadn’t see it.

337079 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Hayes, #854 of 2045 🔗

It was a town square. “

So dangerous for pedestrians, especially the elderly I imagine.

You said that guy had slipped near where you had your accident.

Local council probably having a risk assessment meeting to see if it was safe for workers to go out and check if gritting needed…..

337129 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to dhid, 1, #855 of 2045 🔗

Yes, it is a town square and the pavements around the square had been gritted, but not the square itself even though there are clear and often used routes crossing the square.

337148 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #856 of 2045 🔗

How ridiculous.

Anyone walking on the pavements might be lured into thinking the job had probably been done thoroughly and wouldn’t realise the square might be a risk.

337063 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to dhid, 3, #857 of 2045 🔗

Is this the same Talk Radio taken off Youtube for thought trespasses?

337258 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Waldorf, #858 of 2045 🔗

Probably only when they are battling Michael Gove.

336974 DRW, replying to DRW, 20, #859 of 2045 🔗

It’s my birthday today but still not having a good one. Another year of LD cycles, Zoom fucking University and then maybe some bullshit work with brainwashed sheeples awaits as we all descend further into dystopia.

336977 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to DRW, 8, #860 of 2045 🔗

Many Happy Returns anyway. Life at the moment might be terrible, but at least you’re sane – no small thing in Current Year.

336988 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DRW, 4, #861 of 2045 🔗

Happy birthday, DRW.

336989 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 5, #862 of 2045 🔗

I can only wish you many happier returns, DRW and warmest wishes. I am feeling particularly battered, tired and worried today, but I am certain that those of us who retain our humanity and capacity for independent thought will come through this and find our own way to live a worthwhile, social life again. Not denying it’s going to take some time. I will raise a glass to you this evening.

336996 ▶▶ V, replying to DRW, 20, #863 of 2045 🔗

Congratulations on another successful lap around the Sun, and please remember to fight as hard as you can against sliding into psychologically negative states, because learned helplessness is exactly where they want you.

This morning, you woke up in one of the richest nations in the world, took a shit in clean fresh drinking water, and didn’t have to spend 3 hours or walk 10 miles to get food, didn’t have to dodge any bullets, still had all of your limbs attached, no one had tried to steal your organs, and you’re not making Nike sportsware for 50p a week in a slave labour camp.

Go for a walk, breathe the fresh-ish air, find the beauty, and count your blessings by focussing on what you already have. Return to a state of mental balance. Your mindset is your choice, and because it is your choice, you can choose to feel any way you want to…. it just takes a little practice. Good luck, stay strong 🙂

337011 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to V, 13, #864 of 2045 🔗

This morning, you woke up in one of the richest nations in the world, took a shit in clean fresh drinking water, and didn’t have to spend 3 hours or walk 10 miles to get food, didn’t have to dodge any bullets, still had all of your limbs attached, no one had tried to steal your organs

You can’t possibly know that about him. He might live in Liverpool.

337033 ▶▶▶▶ V, replying to Mark, 5, #865 of 2045 🔗

Ahhhhh…. I hadn’t thought of that.

Addendum:

*Unless you live in Liverpool, in which case you should probably eat a lot of valium.

337036 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to V, 6, #866 of 2045 🔗

That’s the spirit, V.

337017 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 3, #867 of 2045 🔗

Happy Birthday! Take the day off and try to ignore the shitshow. Read a book or watch a DVD/Bluray.

336979 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #868 of 2045 🔗

From Wetherspoons, going up in their pubs – their latest newsletter and a customer’s video of it in one of their premises

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Agv7JEO8MngCijpfohO_OR0jBGjI?e=NsQJbi

Not complimentary at all.

336992 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Awkward Git, 18, #869 of 2045 🔗

Tim, Tim, please, please make a stand and keep your pubs open

It could start the revolution we need

336980 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #870 of 2045 🔗

The Scottish MP now faces life imprisonment north of the border

An offence that the Met Police would take no action over. If they had taken action it would have attracted a £30 fine

It’s seems that the greatest crime that can be committed north of the border is to incur the wrath of the dictator

I suppose we knew that already from the Alex Salmond show trial

336993 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Cecil B, 5, #871 of 2045 🔗

I’ll be very surprised if she gets life imprisonment. Sounds more like a show trial to me.

337026 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #872 of 2045 🔗

The timing of the announcement was very convenient, of course.

337029 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Cecil B, 3, #873 of 2045 🔗

And it was a show trial.

337047 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 1, #874 of 2045 🔗

The porridge wogs in Holyrood really did Salmond over

337126 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #875 of 2045 🔗

But he is a cunt

337300 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jaguarpig, #876 of 2045 🔗

So are feminists but I would still support the terfs against the trannies

336984 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 16, #877 of 2045 🔗

The idea of focused protection is that we do as much as we can to protect the most vulnerable. Just because we can’t identify 100% of them does not mean we shouldn’t do it.

If lockdowns and other restrictions are meant to protect them, then why have so many died? It’s not good enough to say that more would have died without the actions taken because it’s quite evident that the actions aren’t protecting anybody.

337020 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #878 of 2045 🔗

I had this argument this morning, the answer? We didn’t lock down hard enough or early enough apparently.

337030 ▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #879 of 2045 🔗

Good points, they have no evidence at all they’ve saved one life with these mitigation measures but there is a growing mountain of evidence they’ve killed many people.

This started and claims to be all in the name of saving the NHS, firstly for what reason if it means people dying at home? Secondly if thats the objective of house arrest then it would be much more effective if you concentrate all resources on those that need & want protection, it would shield enough people to sustain health care & not overwhelm the NHS.

The simple fact is a total & complete lockdown is impossible, we all have to eat! So lockdowns can not defeat nature. its either chance your luck with a virus or starve to death the latter is unavoidable if there’s no food.

336986 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 12, #880 of 2045 🔗

The lacks the gravitas of some of the other topics but I feel it is symptomatic of the bigger problem.

Has anyone else noticed the gradual change in our friendly neighbourhood supermarket security man to paramilitary ‘Covid Marshall’?

Just back from my local Morrisons. There he was by the door. Inside in the bright lights he had on his hi vis vest with the pockets stuffed with who knows what. Walkie talkie, torch, taser? What alarmed me is that the vest now includes prominent black and white reflective tape on each breast a la the ‘real’ Stasi. I accept that compared with patrolling a deserted warehouse at 3am punching a clock every two hours this must seem like a step up but what comes next?

With the government promising to enshrine measures ‘in law’ it’s inevitable that some of these less stellar members of society will believe that gives them powers they neither have nor deserve.

337000 ▶▶ Mark, replying to eastender53, 10, #881 of 2045 🔗

Very good point.

There has been a very significant proliferation of what are effectively private security forces, alongside the state local and national covid wombles, during this period, and it’s likely to have consequences.

Even if these forces are not abused once the state realises they are available, there will be abuses by them anyway. The kinds of people attracted to these jobs always include plenty who are tempted to abuse their supposed power.

337008 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to eastender53, 14, #882 of 2045 🔗

I’m sure you’re right that it’s a relevant indicator of the direction of travel. My local Aldi had a token security guard at the door in Lockdown 1 but nothing of that nature for many months since they introduced traffic lights on the door (I have never seen them on red, even when it has been rammed). I will be interested to see if security are back now. God, I hope not. Sad to say, but my Aldi has been a haven of relative common sense, maskless staff and minimal hysteria (no mask challenges) that I have really valued so far…

337023 ▶▶ V, replying to eastender53, 5, #883 of 2045 🔗

I’m afraid I would probably still be standing there laughing at the poor wretched soul and the sense of self-importance his ego had gained from wearing a ridiculous fancy dress costume.

Humans and the fantasy world they inhabit are hilariously absurd, they do make me chuckle so.

I bet he even had a little bit of card with a picture of his own face on it! Lol!

337043 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to eastender53, 3, #884 of 2045 🔗

Must be a multi million pound contract for G4S in there somewhere.

337082 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #885 of 2045 🔗

using state of the art Chinese technology. As tested on Uyghurs

337054 ▶▶ dhid, replying to eastender53, 1, #886 of 2045 🔗

Every time I go to the local Asda and have my unmasked face outlined with a box on the huge screen in the foyer, I have a quick glare at the security moron whose face mask covers ever more of his face every time I visit – will be a balaclava soon I think.

Probably worried he might be recognised out of work by someone……

337083 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to eastender53, 4, #887 of 2045 🔗

Someone posted this link yonks ago

https://interforce.org.uk/recruitment/

I sent it off to uk colomn for their opinion.

This is what I got back:

Also notice that Lloyds has a total charge on the business assets and
intellectual property so this is in fact a bank controlled private
police force / army.

Whole look of site is dark menacing and designed to be that way.

The easy mention of police and special constables and recruiting of
police says they are in the game.

337099 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to stefarm, 3, #888 of 2045 🔗

A fair few of these companies have links to MI5 as well- they use them for low-grade muscle-jobs. Which, to go completely off topic, is what I suspect happened to Hilda Murrell- actual MI5 operatives wouldn’t have made such a balls-up.

337182 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to eastender53, 1, #889 of 2045 🔗

We will find out what is ‘in law’ after parliament approves the legislation. Looking at the guidelines and their use of the words ‘should’ and ‘ought’ rather than ‘must’ and ‘will’, I don’t think there will be an extension of legal powers beyond what was already available.

337521 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to eastender53, #890 of 2045 🔗

Check this bunch of bastards.
https://www.kingdom.co.uk/services/local-authority-support/
They operate in many town centres now. They got “ran out” of Liverpool by the locals as they were sick and tired of their litter wombles swooping on old and vulnerable people mercilessly trying to get their quote of littering tickets. A very sinister organisation.

337004 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 57, #891 of 2045 🔗

Someone has just asked on a local Arsebook page if they are permitted to drive to the next village to put flowers on their grandson’s grave. What bloody dystopia have these bastards created that someone would even think of having to ask such a question.

337013 ▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 31, #892 of 2045 🔗

No matter what dystopia those bastards have created, how weak and brainwashed do you have to be even to think of asking such a question?

337032 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 15, #893 of 2045 🔗

That was my first reaction but then I thought perhaps this is an old lady who has been frightened by all the propaganda. The really sad thing was is that those responding were urging caution.

337044 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to kh1485, 5, #894 of 2045 🔗

In a way that’s good. The more people think they are not allowed to do, the quicker they will loose faith in the lockdowns.

337139 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to l835, 11, #895 of 2045 🔗

Yes – at what point will critical mass be achieved and people say “F— off”?
I remember an American TV show, a Western. A young guy wants to be trained as a gunfighter by an older man. The man gives him work cutting wood and other menial chores. After five days or so the young guy rebels. The older man says he has passed a test. If he had rebelled after less than three days he would have considered him a hothead. If after more than a week, a coward. Five days was about right.

337261 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to kh1485, 6, #896 of 2045 🔗

People were seriously telling her not to do it? I keep on getting surprised at the depths that humans have sunk to in the past 10 months. It appears there is no bottom.

337175 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to TJN, 6, #897 of 2045 🔗

Asking such questions is very dangerous since the government starts to believe that it is their duty to ANSWER them…

337064 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to kh1485, 1, #898 of 2045 🔗

Tell them not, see how deep the brainwashing goes.

337074 ▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, 9, #899 of 2045 🔗

i am sure that bunches of flowers are a vector for the virus. and i think the dead can remain carriers if the gravestone hasnt been bleached. I think i saw it on the BBC .

337084 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to mj, 7, #900 of 2045 🔗

Oh, but bunches of flowers are vectors of disease. I got rugby tackled by a nurse and told off right royally when I had the temerity to take some flowers in for my mum when she was in hospital.

337162 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mj, 1, #901 of 2045 🔗

From dead corpse to undead zombie, not a lot of difference.

337173 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to kh1485, 6, #902 of 2045 🔗

How did we ever win the war…

337012 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 65, #903 of 2045 🔗

The BBC is offering five mental health tips for lockdown

I’ve got one ‘Never watch the fucking BBC’

337021 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cecil B, 17, #904 of 2045 🔗

If a BBC presenter tells a lie and nobody listens to it, is it still propaganda?

Just a little philosophical curiosity….

337053 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Mark, 4, #905 of 2045 🔗

If a BBC presenter tells a lie and nobody listens to it, who’d want to know?
Strangely enough, on my way back from my hospital appointment this morning I was thinking about the old “If a tree falls 100 miles from any living creature, does it make any sound?” question……great minds, Mark.

337113 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #906 of 2045 🔗

How could there be a tree one hundred miles from any living creature?

337203 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Steve Hayes, #907 of 2045 🔗

😉

337122 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #908 of 2045 🔗

If he tells a lie and nobody hears it, did it ever happen? Like the tree falling down in the forest that nobody saw?
BBC presenters are a funny lot. Jimmy Savile, for example…

337067 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Mark, 3, #909 of 2045 🔗

if a BBC presenter opens its mouth is it still propaganda…?

337075 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 2, #910 of 2045 🔗

Then its called White Noise

337037 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Cecil B, 2, #911 of 2045 🔗

Haha totally agree

337045 ▶▶ V, replying to Cecil B, 4, #912 of 2045 🔗

Nor pay the kiddiefuckers a single penny.

337124 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 2, #913 of 2045 🔗

BBC tips #2
“Sphincters – are they really necessary ?”

337140 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Crystal Decanter, #914 of 2045 🔗

Some ares.

337169 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Cecil B, 16, #915 of 2045 🔗

hahahaha second best comment I heard today

The best being on the Daily Mail to the effect that if you want to have a house party tell the police you are being robbed and that will guarantee they don’t turn up to enforce covid restrictions

337329 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #916 of 2045 🔗

Or if you need the police to turn up urgently just misgender a man in a dress on Twitter

337527 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 1, #917 of 2045 🔗

So did our local council in their idiot newsletter today they sent to Mrs 2-6.
5 idiot points for safeguarding your mental health during lockdown.

337019 Dermot McClatchey, 17, #918 of 2045 🔗

Got back from a hospital appointment about an hour ago. It was on the quiet side of normal. One ambulance outside A&E with the crew talking to one another and eating crisps. Had my wife not been with me I’d have taken photos, but she’s fully onboard with the propaganda, so one has to be careful.

337055 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #919 of 2045 🔗

Seeds of doubt about the strain and the vaccine and containment.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1346383618223042560

Lockdown is life.

337062 ▶▶ mj, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #920 of 2045 🔗

wouldnt believe anything thats been anywhere near Mobiot. he has so many hidden agenda he needs a solar powered mini van to carry them around

337073 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to mj, 1, #921 of 2045 🔗

excellent!

337065 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #922 of 2045 🔗

This morning so desperate they go down the route of lies…

This is blatant , all out lies!! Surely
@Ofcom
this needs to be looked at.
Quote Tweet
This Morning
@thismorning
· 4 Jan
‘After 12 days from the first vaccination of the AstraZeneca vaccine, you are 100% effective against hospitalisation and death’

@sara_kayat shares this amazing statistic with us, which you may not have heard yet.

See the twit embedded video, or don’t give them the clicks.

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1346445292292464640?s=20

For those who don’t know sara kyata fits the Event 201 influencer used to “flood the zone” to a tee. Here is a bio from celebopedia or something:

Dr. Sara Kayat is one of the most famous doctors and a TV personality in London. She is on the TV show called ‘The Morning’ at ITV and she also practices her NHS GP at the medical institute named ‘Gray’s Inn Medical Practice’. Furthermore, she runs an Instagram account under the name @drsarakayat with over 19.7K followers online.

Woooo, knows her stuff then, furthermore she has an instagram account. Perhaps you want to book her for a talk yourself, you can through her agents here.

https://thesohoagency.co.uk/speakers/sara-kayat

What she says in her talk may or may not be truthful.

337076 ▶▶ V, replying to Basics, 13, #923 of 2045 🔗

100% effective against…death”

That’s good news, I’ve always wanted to try naked Tiger wrestling.

337138 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to V, 6, #924 of 2045 🔗

Aren’t tigers always naked?

337144 ▶▶▶▶ V, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 2, #925 of 2045 🔗

Ooh!

337128 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #926 of 2045 🔗
337184 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Basics, 5, #927 of 2045 🔗

Good. I’ve just taken a look at the link. Another one of those chirpy pretty ‘looks good on TV’ fuckwits who really know fuck all. Forgive my language but what a braindead.

DavidC

337210 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to DavidC, 2, #928 of 2045 🔗

She’s a vapid smiler, you can’t trust anyone who is persistently happy about everything.

Ever notice how really stupid people are always happy, this what we’re up against

The political class

337270 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, #929 of 2045 🔗

Shameful stuff, and we get hammered for peddling misinformation. Tell this to the first person that has a severe adverse reaction or an ADE response in a few months.

At least she didn’t claim that the vaccine was 200% effective at preventing all deaths or hospitalisations from any disease.

337069 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 30, #930 of 2045 🔗

My MP wrote to me:

Lockdowns have worked, their aim is to reduce cases and hospitalisations to stop the NHS becoming overwhelmed.

I asked him to supply proof that lockdowns have worked. Here’s his reply:

Thank you for your further email. Yes, the proof is the NHS has not been overwhelmed.

I actually feel physically sick!

337085 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #931 of 2045 🔗

The obvious one line response is:

Then why haven’t health services been “overwhelmed” in any of the countries that haven’t locked down?

(Though obviously you are not dealing with reason here anyway, but rather with blind faith in authority and self-interest).

337087 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #932 of 2045 🔗

Right, so we locked down because the NHS was already overwhelmed (which we keep hearing every day) or because if we didn’t it might become overwhelmed? Time to pick one zealots, they can’t both be true.

337088 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #933 of 2045 🔗

Oh that’s o.k. then but millions have been made redundant, the dole queue is set to grow to 8m by mid Summer, hundreds and thousands of businesses have gone to the wall and all your MP is concerned with is not overwhelming the NHS. You couldn’t make it up. They really don’t know what they’re doing do they?

337093 ▶▶ V, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #934 of 2045 🔗

And there it is. We’ve finally arrived at 2+2=5. Facts and truth are meaningless, The Narrative is the only currency.

(If simulation theory is correct, these NPCs need patching ASAP – they’re exeeding my capability to suspend disbelief, it’s really ruining the immersion.)

337225 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to V, 1, #935 of 2045 🔗

Actually that’d be my reply. 2+2=5

We’ve arrived.

337098 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #936 of 2045 🔗

Peter Hitchens is right yet again: a low IQ is a precondition for entering parliament

337135 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #937 of 2045 🔗

So why are the lockdown’s continuing. oh yes. To stop the nHS being overwhelmed.

337142 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #938 of 2045 🔗

a humble return note may be in order, clearly, from Biggles’ earlier chart, deaths would have continued to rise in 2017 and 2018 without lockdowns…

337143 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #939 of 2045 🔗

oh… hang on….

337192 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Major Panic, #940 of 2045 🔗

Lol! Brilliant!

DavidC

337189 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Cheezilla, -1, #941 of 2045 🔗

R-i-g-h-t. But we’re being told the NHS IS being overwhelmed!

DavidC

338317 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to DavidC, #942 of 2045 🔗

Downvote. So we’re NOT being told the NHS is overwhelmed?

DavidC

337222 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #943 of 2045 🔗

They weren’t overwhelmed in Sweden either. Or Japan.

They only seem to be close to be overwhelmed in countries heading for more and more lockdowns. Also, plenty of papers which show lockdowns do not correlate with lower covid mortality. What’s does correlate is use of magical prophylactic treatments like Ivermetcin.

https://swprs.org/who-preliminary-review-confirms-ivermectin-effectiveness/?amp

Which, if we’d put as much energy into studying these than experimental vaccines, as India has, then we may just have prevented your MP from being an accomplice to the total destruction of the economy and deaths of hundreds of thousands. Sadly they’ve apparently made their bed.

337310 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #944 of 2045 🔗

I wrote back and gave him the lockdown stats from today’s update.

Here’s his reply:
If we had not brought in restrictions and the NHS become overwhelmed there would be higher numbers of missed medical diagnosis and missed treatments, plus a higher number of covid deaths as well.

At this point I despair and give up!

He no doubt sleeps like a baby each night. What an uncaring bone idle, smug, self-satisfied, complacent little shit!

£100k a bluddy year. We should defund the MPs, never mind the beeb!

337437 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Cheezilla, #945 of 2045 🔗

You need to write back and ask what action he thinks the government should take then over the foreseeable future when there is the inevitable surge in demand for treatment for non-covid illness which has been neglected in the drive to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed and is no doubt adding to the numbers currently in ‘overwhelmed’ IC Units.

You could add facetiously that, presumably, abandonment of non-covid medical intervention and the consequential deaths of such patients is also all part of the agenda to avoid overwhelming the NHS.

337072 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #946 of 2045 🔗

A friend of the son has been asking him about how to find a job.

The company he works for used to have a shift of 20 in the operations office, for months now been running with 3 (son’s friend one of them) and no working from home when on furlough with no problems so today the bosses have said redundancy notices are going out as it has proved they were way overstaffed.

Work records being looked at then final notices going out soon.

More to come I think everywhere.

337091 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #947 of 2045 🔗

Absolutely. A great many employers will have realised over the past nine months that their operations can be maintained perfectly satisafactorily with far fewer staff.

337242 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #948 of 2045 🔗

pity they can’t do the same in the public sector

337081 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 16, #949 of 2045 🔗

Today, C London is like a ghost town. A bit like 28 days later but without the cool frenzied zombies chasing you. Just despondent people, looking at the floor, majority masked up. This is day 1, what will this be like 3 months down the line. God help us. Btw , my local big Sainsbury has a security guard on the door whos da was my Sargant back in the day. He always stoops me to have a chat and to tell me that he also does not agree with the mask, but if he wants to keep his job etc.

337089 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #950 of 2045 🔗

No zombies chasing you? TSG day off then.

337556 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Thomas_E, #951 of 2045 🔗

I haven’t been to London for years but one thing I really noticed the last time I went there, everytime I went there was the energy and business of the place, 24/7. It was a strange experience feeling like I belonged to it a bit, just for a short time.

I won’t go there again until the insanity stops. I just cannot use public transport while the face nappie laws are in place.

So sad. what a disaster. How can these bastards justify this?

337092 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, 8, #952 of 2045 🔗

Unable to play golf or tennis with one other,yet can visit my local garden centre with many others inside.
Sums this government up.Hopefully, local elections will still be on.Reform party for me.

337097 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Dartford44, 2, #953 of 2045 🔗

They cancelled last year’s elections.

337102 ▶▶ V, replying to Dartford44, 6, #954 of 2045 🔗

I’m not sure that voting for a different group of corrupt politicians is really going to help.

No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.”

Albert Einstein

337103 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dartford44, 3, #955 of 2045 🔗

Use these Dominion voting machines
you know – to keep you safe from the Rona

337227 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Dartford44, 1, #956 of 2045 🔗

Reclaim for me.

337096 kate, replying to kate, 8, #957 of 2045 🔗

https://rybicki.blog/2020/04/11/antibody-dependent-enhancement-in-coronaviruses/

This twitter thread is really worrying. It looks as if it is pretty well understood that there is real danger, in those vaccinated, of increased inflammatory response to subsequent infection.

Who wants to be vaccinated against covid and then get pneumonia from a common virus?
It is precisely the spike protein vaccines that cause this.

Macaques vaccinated with MVA encoding full-length SARS-COV spike protein have worsened lung pathology upon rechallenge. Transferring purified anti-spike IgG into naïve macaques results in all recipients developing acute diffuse alveolar damage .

337106 ▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 6, #958 of 2045 🔗

Antibody dependent enhancement

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/12/18/antibody-dependent-enhancement

With ADE, the binding of such an antibody actually assists the virus, by (for example) actually making it easier for the virus to get taken up through the outer membranes of human cells. Another possibility is that an antibody that would be neutralizing if present in sufficient amounts can actually enhance infection in lower dilutions, which has been seen with influenza antibodies and other viruses as well.

337100 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #959 of 2045 🔗

MPs recalled

337110 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PastImperfect, 8, #960 of 2045 🔗

Recalled what? What their job is supposed to be?

Seems unlikely. How to tie their own shoelaces, perhaps?

337190 ▶▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to Mark, 1, #961 of 2045 🔗

I can’t possibly say here what i’ve renamed them.

337202 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socalist, 1, #962 of 2045 🔗

Rent boy botherers

337112 ▶▶ Basics, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #963 of 2045 🔗

A product recall is when something has been found to have a major life threatening flaw. Could not be more appropriate.

337114 ▶▶ V, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #964 of 2045 🔗

That must be what the HoC looks like when only the honest politicians show up.

337121 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #965 of 2045 🔗

6th January has been mentioned a lot on other forums, the day Trump has his final say

337101 Basics, 5, #966 of 2045 🔗

PARENTS! TEACHERS! We at
@Unlocked_UK_
believe it is a national tragedy our children have been denied their education due to #lockdown

We say it’s time to #UnlockTheSchools & we want YOUR stories for a show tomorrow. Share your videos or comment below & we will be in touch

Short video – https://mobile.twitter.com/Unlocked_UK_/status/1346410939021668352

Good to forward and get involved with perhaps.

337107 Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 3, #967 of 2045 🔗

Anyone else expecting 1000+ deaths today? Tuesday lag and day after lockdown announced.

337131 ▶▶ Dartford44, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 1, #968 of 2045 🔗

I agree with you.I would be very surprised if we did not hit at least 800.

337134 ▶▶ Will, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 4, #969 of 2045 🔗

They always find a few deaths down the back of the sofa when it is politically convenient…

337226 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), #970 of 2045 🔗

Yes, Bank Holiday backlog plus Commons voting tomorrow so they have to put the frighteners on the MPs.

337239 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), #971 of 2045 🔗

It has departed so far from overall mortality its just not worth looking at. Similar with cases. I look at hospital admissions etc but only to see trends – absolute numbers are meaningless.

337111 Nicholforest, replying to Nicholforest, 4, #972 of 2045 🔗

ZeroHedge today reports that the FDA has joined the WHO and Dr Fauci in admitting that the PCR test at CT > 25-30 will generate 50% to 90% false-positives. ( https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fda-admits-pcr-tests-give-false-results-prepares-ground-biden-virus-rescue-miracle ).

They suggest an interesting scenario, whereby Biden publicly advocate masks and lockdowns while the CDC quietly reduces the CT levels for PCR tests.
Result: Bingo, positive tests decrease dramatically and Biden is declared a hero for saving America.

Surely we would not do anything like that in good old Blighty!!

337280 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Nicholforest, #973 of 2045 🔗

Oh surely they might well do.
Couple of days after the election (around November 6,7th I would guess) and MSM were pre-emtively declaring Biden the likely victor, 2-3 days of reporting did not mention covid-19 when reporting on US events.. despite Biden & Harris appearing multiple times in public unmasked & not socially distanced, despite showing Biden supporters gathering in the streets & parks, clearly not socially distanced… the gist of the reporting was certainly: ‘Biden is preparing to rid the world’ of the virus..

337119 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 16, #974 of 2045 🔗

How did they manage to get so many dictators willing to go along with all of this. Rishi is told to keep it running even longer. Doctors, teachers, who have families are silent while their own friends and families are forced into this new normal. How have they managed to coerce so many.

337387 ▶▶ jamesh, replying to DanClarke, #975 of 2045 🔗

Because continuance of their salaries is dependent on sustaining the false narrative. So long as the paycheck keeps coming in, they’ll go along with it.

337120 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 22, #976 of 2045 🔗

Johnson wrote a three part Tweet this morning spouting the usual hackneyed, clichéd, insincere drivel. He’s such a bore. I responded with this. He is being slaughtered in the comments. Do you think he reads responses to his Tweets? Unlikely? I don’t know. I can see the arrogant narcissist prowling the comment section, obsessively searching for approval. Or perhaps the contrary is true and he doesn’t give a flying face mask. Both make sense to me. I passionately and righteously hate this tyrant.

337137 ▶▶ Dartford44, replying to common conservative, 10, #977 of 2045 🔗

I am not on twitter,however brilliant answer.

337151 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to common conservative, 5, #978 of 2045 🔗

He probably doesn’t even write them.

337123 Will, replying to Will, 2, #979 of 2045 🔗

K am struggling to find Whitty’s quote about lockdown delaying rather than stopping the virus but it seems to have disappeared from the ether? Can anyone help?

337271 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Will, 1, #980 of 2045 🔗

Not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for, but here’s good old Sir Pat: “ “So we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely which you can’t do anyway, not suppress it so we get the second peak..”
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-scientist-warns-coronavirus-lockdown-risks-more-deaths-a4386661.html

337127 wayno, replying to wayno, 1, #981 of 2045 🔗

depressing instant poll in the sun article, lets try and redress the balance https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/13647934/national-lockdown-shops-closed-businesses-full-list/

337188 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to wayno, 1, #982 of 2045 🔗

Just done the poll – only 20 percent against the lockdown.

337219 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ozzie, #983 of 2045 🔗

It would have been maybe 2% in March. But not changing quick enough.

337221 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ozzie, 3, #984 of 2045 🔗

That’s not a bad number. Also, it is a SUN poll after all, Wouldn’t trust it at all. I have yet to meet anyone who agrees with it. Once again, Propaganda machine going into overdrive. Also, redundancies are now looming and looming fast.

337141 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 7, #985 of 2045 🔗

Another huge scandal and conspiracy of silence that has been going on; very much under the radar, while the world has been commanded to pay all attention to the Damn Panic and the attendant Great Madness.

The issue in question is VLSFO ship fuel:-

“A ship fuel scandal is being uncovered that looks likely to be larger than the Volkswagen emission scandal. It involves some of the biggest names in the global oil and shipping industry, and goes to the very top of the UN shipping regulator, the International Maritime Organization (IMO).
As a result, thousands of ships around the world are at risk of catastrophic engine failures, putting the lives of millions of sailors, coastal communities and the ocean environment at risk around the world.
The four month wide-ranging special investigation published in Forbes today involved dozens of leading international organizations working around the world. For the first time, it reveals the scale of the scandal, danger and cover up. It all unraveled with the grounding and large oil spill caused by the Japanese Bulk Carrier, the Wakashio, on the coral reefs of the Indian Ocean island of Mauritius this summer. The bizarre response to the incident by what were supposed to be independent international oil spill responders, prompted several of the world’s leading pollution experts to describe this as ‘the strangest oil spill response we have ever seen’, attracting even further scrutiny.
At the center of the scandal is a new experimental fuel used in large ocean-bound ships. The fuel’s name is called Very Low Sulfur Fuel Oil or VLSFO, and it turns out to essentially be a made-up fuel. It was such a mix of hazardous chemicals that the oil has been referred to as a super-pollutant ‘Frankenstein Fuel’ by leading NGOs.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nishandegnarain/2020/12/21/global-toxic-ship-fuel-scandal-revealed-by-mauritius-oil-spill-a-special-report/?sh=22166c2aeecf

Perhaps only of tangential relevance to this forum, but very much a sign of the crazy times, when UN agencies such as the WHO, and here, the International Maritime Organisation (IMO) simply appear to operate to a political agenda and attempt to avoid all proper scrutiny.

An eye-opening read.

337208 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Kevin 2, #986 of 2045 🔗

Excellent find. Very interesting.

337259 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Kevin 2, #987 of 2045 🔗

Good afternoon Kevin,

Might this be the latest case that Reiner Fuellmich alluded to? He mentioned taking on the World’s biggest shipping company in a video.

Best regards

Simon

337275 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to SimonCook, #988 of 2045 🔗

Ah, that I don’t know, but quite possible.

The largest shipping company by capacity is Maersk, I believe.

337279 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Kevin 2, #989 of 2045 🔗

I think they tried this low sulphar fuel on cars in the 80’s and it blew up BMW engines fairly quickly.

337145 Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 27, #990 of 2045 🔗

I went shopping this morning in Wantage (Oxfordshire) to Home Bargains, B and M Bargains, Sainsbury’s, WH Smith, and a shoe repairer’s. As usual I didn’t wear a mask, but nothing was said in any of them. The shoe repairer’s is tiny so they are having to serve people from the door and not let them in. Then I went to the Post Office, which is part of a small supermarket called Rowe’s (I’m telling you that to name and shame them) which you get to by walking to the far end of said supermarket.

While I stood in the socially distanced queue of 4 or 5 people. The lady at the counter called out to me and told me that I wasn’t allowed in without a mask. (You’d think they’d have spotted me before I got that far if it’s that important.) I said I was exempt but she said I’m still not allowed in. I said nothing further and left. I wish I could think more quickly but when these masked officious people speak to you like that it’s hard not to just give in. But perhaps it’s a good job that I had time to calm down and think about what I would have liked to have said, otherwise I might have said something I’d have regretted.

From what I’ve been able to find out after a quick search online I think she might possibly be within her rights to not allow me in. I read about a man in Edinburgh, with a lung condition and a note from his doctor, who was refused entry to a PO (in November) where he regularly paid his rent, but the article didn’t say what the outcome was. It’s not as if loads of people in Wantage are not wearing masks – there are hardly any of us….. I shall contact the shop and ask to speak to whoever has put this policy in place.

I hate shopping nowadays, and now I hate it even more.

337150 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 12, #991 of 2045 🔗

Next time say you will report them on the basis of the disabilities and discrimination act.

337152 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Andrew K, #992 of 2045 🔗

Agree, I was just thinking that. The exemptions are there on the Gov.uk site. I’ve printed them out and carry them with me when I’m out – I haven’t needed to show them to anyone yet!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

DavidC

337161 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DavidC, 5, #993 of 2045 🔗

They can still technically refuse – but you can then sue
So make sure you are prepared to take the full details to serve legal notice

337206 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Andrew K, 5, #994 of 2045 🔗

Report them now – write a letter

337168 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 4, #996 of 2045 🔗

Take a look on https://nomasks.info/

This shop is behaving in a discriminatory manner and is in breach of the Equality Act (2010). There is a useful toolkit in the second paragraph here:

https://nomasks.info/links-to-other-sites

which takes you to the relevant section of a legal site (laworfiction), complete with a letter that you can send to the shop.

337181 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 2, #997 of 2045 🔗

They are breaking the law by doing that. Once you’ve stated your exempt that should be the end of it! They cannot ask for proof under the equalities act, which trumps the corna regulations.

Heres the gov advice. Read the part about exemption and who can challenge.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

Law or fiction also has some useful info here;

https://www.laworfiction.com/2020/09/face-covering-some-pretend-law/

Might also be worth arming yourself with this doc, from law or fiction.

https://www.laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf

Know your rights and arm yourself with the law.

337194 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 3, #998 of 2045 🔗

Just practise the phrase ” Can I have your full name and job title?” Say in an upbeat but determined manner.
And also what Wolver and Ozzie say.

337201 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 10, #999 of 2045 🔗

Hasn’t yet happened to me but I have my answer prepared: So, to clarify, I have told you that I am exempt from wearing a face covering but you are refusing me service for not doing so?

If they say yes

Then you are in breach of the equalities act. I would like to speak to your manager/supervisor. Armed with the relevant facts you should be able to put them straight. If not, write to their CEO. This crap must not stand unchallenged.

337228 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 3, #1000 of 2045 🔗

If the staff of the supermarket hadn’t challenged you walking through to get to the back of the store to the PO, then I fail to see how some jobsworth nothing, in the PO section – presumably behind a screen etc – thinks she can!

Get her name and complain about her as others have said.

337316 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to dhid, 1, #1001 of 2045 🔗

question of whether a Post office counter situated within supermarket / wh smiths etc is a separate property or not. certainly is separate ownership.
This is PO counters site
and this is what it says

“Recent news gives us increased hope for the months ahead. But I’d ask you to keep up the resolve for now, wearing a mask and staying two metres apart in our branches. And please treat our colleagues there with respect as they provide the services you need in these difficult times. ”
nothing about exemptions

however they should still accept them ……

337232 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 6, #1002 of 2045 🔗

I’ve never been refused entry to any shop because of my non masked face. However, even if asked about a mask, I reply that they are not legally entitled to challenge me and ask to see the manager. On the odd occasion that this has happened I have received a full apology. I have written to larger establishments (Bettys tea rooms, Booths supermarket, and Cohens chemists to name but three) and have received back fulsome apologies and thanks for making them aware of the procedures and practices regarding face coverings. I always enclose a copy of the relevant documentation.

https://laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf

337233 ▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 5, #1003 of 2045 🔗

I would find the contact details of one of their directors and e-Mail them directly expressing some concern at the confusion you believe one of their staff members has. I would say that you are concerned they are potentially being exposed to fines from a breach of the Equalities Act of someone less reasonable than you was challenged. I have done this several times (I was the one telling the petrol station story before Christmas) – however enthusiastic their staff might be my experience is that the senior management don’t want to be anywhere near this stuff and will very quickly apologise to you and take corrective action in store.

337251 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to norfolksceptic, -1, #1004 of 2045 🔗

I remember your post I think – I may have told you of a similar experience I had in a petrol station, I believe.

Since then I have been asked a few times in Asda foyer if I would “like” a free mask – after having already been “identified” by facial recognition CCTV and my maskless face outlined by a rectangle on the large publicly viewable screen in the foyer.

The curt response is “no – I’m exempt” and I walk off inside.

On the way out, I always glare at the “security” idiot with his ever larger mask every time I visit – presumably he doesn’t want “facial recognition” when he leaves work….

337272 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 2, #1005 of 2045 🔗

I have shopped in a PO a number of times since lockdown 1, 2 & 3 and never had a problem getting served. You should have challenged them and asked to see the manager and request the ‘decision’ in writing.

337287 ▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, #1006 of 2045 🔗

It could get worse! Be thankful you’re not in Canada

Canadian Security Guard Assaults Woman

337307 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Anti_socalist, #1007 of 2045 🔗

Yes, we have mask exemptions but almost all businesses do not respect them. Our only options are to go along, get delivery or curbside pickup, launch a human rights complaint, or sue them in small claims court. These latter two will take ages, so if we want to eat we have to go with options 1 or 2. Having said that, my husband asked the grocery store where we do most of our shopping if they respect mask exemptions and they said they do. My daughter was visiting and went into the store last week and told me a man in front of them at the checkout was not wearing a mask and there were no issues. So, I suppose I could give it a go but my husband has been doing the shopping since end of July and I don’t really miss it. It’s bad here. Not sure if you all saw the story about a disabled athlete — she was born with no arms — who was refused entry to a Chapters book store. FFS, she has no arms and can’t put on or take off a mask!

337608 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, #1008 of 2045 🔗

I had a nasty run in with a maskhole early in the lockdown. Not nice. The guy was a looney and thought he was going to punch me. I used to love Wantage but I haven’t been since that event. Apparently you can personal message me via the forum if you would like to meet up.

337147 peter-, replying to peter-, 45, #1009 of 2045 🔗

I see the deranged lunatic Andrew Hayward from SAGE is saying the lockdown “isn’t enough” to prevent the spread of the “virus”.

From the Telegraph feed

He added: “You need to do more than stay at home and wait for the vaccine. We need to be bearing down on it.”

What on Earth does he mean by this? Does he want to prevent people from buying food? From exercising? From going to pharmacies? Very sinister words that Bozo will no doubt take to heart and impose more restrictions soon.

I have long said it the SAGE members are some of the most dangerous people in this country and all need to be permanently locked up at the soonest opportunity.

337155 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to peter-, 7, #1010 of 2045 🔗

When the Rule of Six was first announced The BBC had on some professor from Warwick University who to discuss it. He said that if one wanted to prevent the transmission of the virus it should be the Rule of One.

337164 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #1011 of 2045 🔗

In fairness he probably spends a lot of time on his own anyway so the concept of having friends or family members who actually want to socialise with him would be an alien concept.

We need actual humans in charge of these plans not a bunch of glorified lab assistants and mathematical modellers.

337220 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to peter-, 2, #1012 of 2045 🔗

His hair was beautifully styled.

337291 ▶▶▶ kev, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1013 of 2045 🔗

Rule of zero surely, if there’s no-one there how can it be spread?

337309 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1014 of 2045 🔗

That was only because he couldn’t count as high as 6.

337166 ▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to peter-, 19, #1015 of 2045 🔗

Have you noticed their mitigation measures closely mimic those of the agricultural industry, whenever bird flu is detected in the wild they lock up all free range flocks.

The next step when a “case” is detected in flock is a cull!

Is it a coincidence that Ferguson the man who killed tens of thousands of healthy animals is back advising government response to covid & calls for greater action.

LOL i jest but it makes you wonder what they’ll do next, as if this isn’t bad enough.

337311 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Anti_socalist, 2, #1016 of 2045 🔗

The next step when a “case” is detected in flock is a cull!

Good idea. With all the ‘cases’ in London they would need to ‘self-cull’.

337171 ▶▶ leggy, replying to peter-, 5, #1017 of 2045 🔗

Maybe he means that we should all go virus hunting with Ghostbuster backpacks.

337174 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to peter-, 3, #1018 of 2045 🔗

In a Dark Simpsons parody, Chief Wiggum draws his pistol and fires at the Covid virus. This is what we need to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuLC7RquE8w

337213 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to peter-, 2, #1019 of 2045 🔗

Is he not Independent SAGE if I recall. They really are a bunch of fanatics, liars and lunatics.

337217 ▶▶ Julian, replying to peter-, 6, #1020 of 2045 🔗

“Bearing down on it” They could start by looking into treatments and prevention (HCG, Vit D, Ivermectin)

337154 Sceptic Al, replying to Sceptic Al, 9, #1021 of 2045 🔗

Hi fellow sceptics. New to posting here, but this site has been an oasis of sanity and reason since March!

I share some New Year thoughts and suggest some ‘topical’ 2021 reads (before the modern day ‘burning of the books’ starts!). More dystopian than utopian, but good must shine…soon!

These 5 books seem a fair summary of the plan and obstacles for global governance after the Great Disaster they created, and how the ideology of ‘Technocracy’ came to capture the world agenda from it’s birth in the 1920s. The belief that scientists are superior to all others, with the end-game of bypassing sovereignty and democracy to get their way (sound familiar?). Brexit and Trump are (or were) big obstacles. The Anglo-Saxon world is a tough nut to crack, and Klaus really hates Trump!

‘Covid-19: The Great Reset’ (June 2020) by Klaus Schwab

‘Technocracy – The Hard Road to World Order’ (2018), Patrick Wood

‘1984’ (1948). Orwell

‘Animal Farm’ (1945). Orwell

‘Brave New World’ (1932). Huxley

Parts of Klaus’ and his mini-me’s ‘The Great Reset’ ARE an update to Orwell’s ‘1984’. Social distancing, tele-medicine and tele-studying will become permanent! It doesn’t cover the ‘Commons Project’ (3 Social Contract ‘freedom’ passes for everyone. Yippee! See WEF website and think Chinafication. A Rockerfeller / Clinton / Gates Foundation collaboration with the WEF), nor the Great Financial Reset, coming soon (‘You’ll own nothing and be happy!’… i.e. we’ll strip you of your assets and control your body and mind).

Anyone notice the disgusting display by an XR Extinction Rebellion soldier and nurse at the Cenotaph, 8am on Remembrance Day? A declaration of war by the state on the people, perhaps??… Not to mention Police siding with and kneeling to their BLM brothers, but brutally oppressing those brave souls who cherish our freedoms.
This evil must stop before ‘sane’ people, like your good selves, are guilty of too many ‘thought-crimes’ under the Mental Health Act 1983. Only a period of ‘care’ in a ‘Joy Camp’ (now called Nightingales), will cure you… Nurses and soldiers ready to help courtesy of the Ministry of Love.

‘Double-think’ and ‘newspeak’ have been ratcheted up (not believing Government and MSM brainwashing is now a ‘thought-crime’). Boris could have cut to the chase in March, declared, ‘Look folks, until now there was a belief that 2 + 2 = 4, but thanks to the marvelous work by our scientists and experts, they’ve discovered 2 + 2 = 5 and this fantastic breakthrough will defeat the dreaded plague (and climate change!), ushering in a sunny ‘New-Normal Utopia’.

You couldn’t make it up!…

Too many quotes from history apply to this era, from:

‘…The Traitor within is the plague…’ Cicero speech to Rome Senate c.42 BC. (1000’s have infected our institutions over the decades – BBC, Universities, NHS, Law Courts etc.), to

‘… The politisisation of science has been deployed by the worst tyrants in history…’ BMJ article Sept. 2020. One medical journal coming to it’s senses.

Cheers to a Happy New Year folks.

Resolve to keep up the resistance and inform others… some are just plain thick, others may be afraid of ‘the truth’ and too much information will blow a fuse! (Mark Twain: ‘it’s much easier to fool people, than convince them they’re being fooled’, so go softly). Hard work ahead, but there’s plenty of hope and the enemy IS afraid too!…

337286 ▶▶ number 6, replying to Sceptic Al, 3, #1022 of 2045 🔗

May I also suggest E M Forster’s short story “The Machine Stops”, 1909 This is so much about TODAY, even before the scamdemic, now its scary – the REAL new normal.

On an Australian theme the film “On The Beach” 1959 is a must view.

The novel “The World in Winter”, 1962 John Christopher. It deals with a new ice age caused by a reduction in the output of the Sun is also worth a read. Combines two themes at this time, climate change – COLD – and the reaction to a rapidly changing environment.

337301 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to number 6, 2, #1023 of 2045 🔗

Our pseudo-intellectual zombies are EXACTLY like the Forster characters.Completely divorced from reality and actively terrified of human contact, only happy when shut up alone in a hole.The foresight is uncanny.

337156 Basics, 2, #1024 of 2045 🔗

10 Facts From the UK Government Pfizer Vaccine Guidance that Promote “Vaccine Hesitancy”

Official government guidance has been released in the United Kingdom to assist healthcare professionals in administering the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine BNT162b2.

While the UK government goes to war against supposed misinformation, the official narrative is clearly based on very little to no supporting data from incomplete clinical trials. This article examines the document “Reg 174 Information for UK Healthcare Professionals” and narratives being pushed in the mainstream media that directly contradict that document.

https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/12/reports/10-facts-from-the-uk-government-pfizer-vaccine-guidance-that-promote-vaccine-hesitancy/

337177 Edward, replying to Edward, 8, #1025 of 2045 🔗

This post will be a bit rambling – bear with me or skip over as you wish.

Some contributors have suggested that we are seeing a moment when history is changing as western governments pursue policies which are inconsistent with human nature and therefore will ultimately fail, but it may take decades, comparable with Soviet communism which lasted 70 years. I think the timescale will be years rather than decades, but not months – 2021 will be almost all bad. I always say prediction is a mug’s game, but here goes.

Mass vaccination will have problems – distribution will be chaotic, maybe they won’t work as intended, or adverse effects might be widespread and inhibit take-up. “Cases” and deaths will reduce naturally in spring and summer, there will be some easing of restrictions but nothing like normality, tier 2 at best. Respiratory ailments will increase naturally in October/November, and whether it’s covid or anything else it will be used as an excuse to impose another lockdown.

Will there be a general election in 2024? I don’t think it’ll be cancelled – more of a danger is that some sort of national government will already have been formed incorporating Conservative and Labour, and the election will be merely to “approve” it. Some MPs and many activists in both parties will disagree and break away, but there won’t be an effective opposition. I can even give them their slogan – “A national emergency needs a National Government”. Of course they have created the “emergency” themselves.

Part 2 to follow.

337231 ▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to Edward, 3, #1026 of 2045 🔗

there won’t be an effective opposition

I think you’re perhaps a little out of date, “opposition” when did we last have that?

337257 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Anti_socalist, 2, #1027 of 2045 🔗

We certainly don’t have one at present. A national government would formalise what is already happening.

337327 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Edward, 2, #1028 of 2045 🔗

I agree with your assessment for 2021. This is going to be an exceptionally rough year right across the board.

A merger between all existing parties to turn Parliament into a ceremonial rubber stamping chamber sounds about right for your medium term prediction. If Parliament still exists that is, I wonder whether the charade might be dispensed with altogether.

337180 Annie, replying to Annie, 14, #1029 of 2045 🔗

There is a group of historians who claim that Hitler didn’t know what was being done to the Jews.
Long after Bozo and his green fancy woman have been incinerated outside the BBC bunker, will a later generation of historians claim that he didn’t know what was being done to real people during the Lockdown Holocaust?

337186 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Annie, 7, #1030 of 2045 🔗

he doesnt, he’s a bafoon

337224 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1031 of 2045 🔗

If it was possible to ask him, which it isn’t, he wouldn’t answer.

Leader or jabba type slug in suit?

337247 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1032 of 2045 🔗

I’ve always known that he is an opportunist liar to which now can be added:delusional.

337214 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Annie, #1033 of 2045 🔗

The internet has a long memory.

337215 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Annie, 3, #1034 of 2045 🔗

‘Fancy woman’! There’s a phrase I haven’t heard in a while. 🙂

337296 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Annie, #1035 of 2045 🔗

A very small group, to be fair.

337185 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #1036 of 2045 🔗
337187 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #1037 of 2045 🔗

Children should protest outside schools for 30 miner day with massive protest boards

337200 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 2, #1038 of 2045 🔗

Give em something to do I suppose

337318 ▶▶ number 6, replying to Victoria, 5, #1039 of 2045 🔗

My wife is beginning to be sceptical, following her sister. She is Portuguese, having been born into Salazar’s Portugal. She remembers the limited education then been offered to the children of the normal people – very basic – and the book censorship both by the dictatorship and their fellow travellers – the Church – you could forget books. Now she sees the demonisation of Children and the closure of schools, cancellation of exams, deprecation of University life & education as a Déjà vu to pre 1974 Portugal. For Gods sake WHY IS THIS HAPPENING? & Who is responsible.

337191 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1040 of 2045 🔗

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0122/cbill_2019-20210122_en_1.htm

IS this a new bill they want to pass, if so they can detain anybody in detention centers. A whole section about food supply chains. Oh boy I could be reading those leaked Canadian Papers all over again.

337244 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1041 of 2045 🔗

Seems to be a load of stuff about indemnifying (temporary?) health workers from liability and absolving NHS Trusts from various duties.

For some reason, confirmatory medical certificate will no longer be required for cremations.

Appointment of temporary Judicial Commissioners?

Power to require information relating to food supply chains – why?

Power to suspend port operations – ??

On and on. This is a substantial bill to ram through Parliament in no time. Needs a lawyerly mind to take a look, too much for a mere mortal to understand.

337305 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to zacaway, 2, #1042 of 2045 🔗

For some reason, confirmatory medical certificate will no longer be required for cremations.

Well they can use that clause to get rid of a few sceptics.

The old method of burning at the stake was so environmentally unfriendly.

337273 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1043 of 2045 🔗

‘Secretary Matt Hancock has made the following statement under section 19(1)(a) of
the Human Rights Act 1998:
In my view the provisions of the
Coronavirus Bill
are compatible with the
Convention rights.’

Oh dear…

337290 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Poppy, #1044 of 2045 🔗

So here’s the turd buried in it:
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0122/cbill_2019-20210122_en_20.htm#sch20

Arbitrary detention powers:

Powers to direct or remove persons to a place suitable for screening and assessment

6 (1) This paragraph applies if, during a transmission control period, a publichealth officer has reasonable grounds to suspect that a person in England ispotentially infectious.

(2) The public health officer may, subject to sub-paragraph

(3)—(a) direct the person to go immediately to a place specified in thedirection which is suitable for screening and assessment,

(b) remove the person to a place suitable for screening and assessment,or

(c) request a constable to remove the person to a place suitable for screening and assessment (and the constable may then do so).

337193 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #1045 of 2045 🔗

So Michael Gove doesn’t know how many of the 26,000 patients in hospital “with COVID” are actually being treated for COVID rather than being treated for something else. And he can’t say how many deaths would be an “acceptable” level before lockdown restrictions end.

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1346396908814823424

337211 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, 10, #1046 of 2045 🔗

You’d think it would be a key piece of data, but he doesn’t know and doesn’t care, and probably no-one knows because they’ve not been told to find out

The priority is not genuine concern for public health, no effort has been made to understand more, it’s all just theatre and sticking to the original script – lockdowns then vaccine

337212 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 8, #1047 of 2045 🔗

When you are mandating wrecking people’s lives and livelihoods, on the basis of saving the benighted NHS, shouldn’t you have this information to hand. He’s the same as the idiot NHS rep who was also interviewed this morning by JHB.

337218 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Victoria, 3, #1048 of 2045 🔗

Wankers, do the fact checkers at the BBC know?

337196 Annie, replying to Annie, 8, #1049 of 2045 🔗

Every time you think your mind is beyond boggling…

DM explains the new rules for Bergen-Belsen:

“Can I get married?
Only in exceptional circumstances, for example in cases where people are dying or have debilitating conditions.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9111965/Schools-shops-closed-pubs-takeaway-ban-new-lockdown-rules-mean-you.html

337267 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Annie, 3, #1050 of 2045 🔗

We don’t generally go around marrying everyone we meet. It’s normally a pretty exceptional thing to happen in most people’s lives.

337360 ▶▶ james007, replying to Annie, 4, #1051 of 2045 🔗

I thought this was an error and sent it to my wife with a laughing emoji. She tells me that it is for real, and that getting married has actually been banned (albeit with special exceptions).
It only requires 5 people to get married. The couple, 2 witnesses (eg. bridesmaid, best man or parents), and a registrar/vicar. It will be easy to get married in accordance with the Covidian faith (eg. Masks, 2m distance etc…), with the hope of a later reception – perhaps an 1 year anniversary bash for example.

What is going on here? Why the ruthless determination to end life as it should be lived? And why are church leaders so absolutely hopeless?

337197 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #1052 of 2045 🔗

In the final week of Dec NHS England available beds were 12% down on the number available during the final quarter of 2019.
In the final week of Dec NHS England had 18% fewer beds were occupied than during the final quarter of 2019.
This is clearly a management/staff problem this is not because we have too many ill people.

337205 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NickR, 5, #1053 of 2045 🔗

Now this is one graph that won’t be trotted out today. So the economy will be further tanked due to gross incompetence of the NHS Managers and their total inability to control sick leave. What a way to run a country.

337237 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to NickR, 8, #1054 of 2045 🔗

The main two reasons for the problems in some hospitals seems to be a) staff self isolating due to dodgy pcr results and apparently b) the number of beds reduced to allow social distancing. Surely there are other ways to reduce cross infection? I doubt that moving the beds a bit further apart reduces infection risks meaningfully. In other words, both of these factors had entirely predictable results. Once they started pcr testing staff en masse, the usual winter health crisis was destined to be exacerbated.

337243 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Van Allen, 2, #1055 of 2045 🔗

My neighbour was in hospital overnight a few months ago, instead of 6 beds as usual in the room there were 4

337292 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Van Allen, 6, #1056 of 2045 🔗

So why dismantle the Nightingale hospitals then? Simply “distance” the beds by using those facilities instead of claiming, falsely, that the hospitals are overcrowded.

337376 ▶▶▶▶ james007, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1057 of 2045 🔗

I have puzzled over the Nightingales for some time. The nursing unions said that they would need 16k extra staff to run them, but I think that assumes full capacity.
I cannot believe that in 10 months it is not possible to retrain sufficient volunteers (armed forces medics, medical undergrads and post grads, retired or former nurses) to at least create half of the planned capacity.

337403 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to james007, 3, #1058 of 2045 🔗

Well according to this article there are at least 35,000 retired medical staff who volunteered to help when the appeal went out in the spring who have yet to be offered jobs. So I would have thought it would be especially easy to find a suitable 16,000 among them.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9097533/Red-tape-blamed-5-000-40-000-retired-NHS-workers-volunteered-given-jobs.html

337198 Victoria, #1059 of 2045 🔗

YouTube removed talk Radio’s channel from its platform – A statement from talkRADIO.

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337204 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 44, #1060 of 2045 🔗

Lockdown—–what lockdown?

Just returned from my daily walk around my town and riverside walk. I do this every day.
If anything, there are more people out and about than the previous few days. Dog walkers, couples, singles all going about their activities. Queue outside the chippy as usual and very few masks being worn outside. Traffic busy and bustling.

Nothing special to write about but compared to the first ‘lock down’ in March when the streets were deserted and hardly anyone was about this is surely a smack in the eye for the panic mongers and doomsayers. I’m beginning to think that the government have shot their bolt and people are now starting to question the ‘deadly’ narrative.

337207 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Harry hopkins, 16, #1061 of 2045 🔗

It has been happening slowly but surely, however of course as we know many places remain closed so opportunities for breaking lockdown rules are limited

We need those people to take the next step and stop thinking it’s all inevitable and start making their voices heard

337216 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, 15, #1062 of 2045 🔗

There is only one derection of travel people are taking. Slowly but surely.

People do not ever go back to sleep so to speak.

337209 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Harry hopkins, 10, #1063 of 2045 🔗

And so we must get ready for harsher repression.

337234 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Harry hopkins, 14, #1064 of 2045 🔗

I was just about to post a similar comment. It felt quite normal in our local Asda, no queues, no one way systems and even a couple more shoppers maskless, like us. There was plenty of traffic on the roads too and mums were pushing prams and chatting to one another.

337262 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Harry hopkins, 17, #1065 of 2045 🔗

I’m off for a short walk now while it’s still daylight. Wait a minute, I was out at the shops this morning! Call the cops!
I’m going anyway, those grannies won’t kill themselves.

337269 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Edward, 3, #1066 of 2045 🔗

Don’t forget the granddads, Ed.
But not “your’s truly”.

337926 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Edward, 1, #1067 of 2045 🔗

Your last sentence! What a brilliant comment!

337998 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, 1, #1068 of 2045 🔗

Haha, I’ve got twice as many upticks for this than for my serious post. Maybe my forte is comedy rather than history.

337321 ▶▶ number 6, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #1069 of 2045 🔗

Beginning to see this as well. Lets keep up hope.

337240 STEVE ROBERTS, 1, #1070 of 2045 🔗

Lockdown. I think we are entering a new phase. Much has been written of the ineptness, the irrationality of this destructive path taken. How the precautionary principle and risk aversion, that affects much of society, has contributed to the complete misjudgment by the establishment in the face of an uncertain existential matter. What we have now is full blown genuine fear by the establishment, they have no serious exit strategy from what they have created. They have unleashed such an irrational societal response it is now taking on an uncontrollable path. More testing, more discovery, more of the same fear filled irrationality, they know they cannot ” defeat” a virus, the scientists advising them know, that’s why it should have been managed from the beginning as we always have as a society.They have a new trump card, stop all dissent, give us time , the vaccine will save us. This is last chance Saloon for them. They will also need, after mass vaccination, if it ever happens, to stop mass testing, to do otherwise will, as experts have told us from the beginning continue to reveal the virus will still be with us, as they always are. A long time ago Dr Jon Lee and others pointed this out. We are in a very dangerous place now. How can society get out of this hole without those who put us there admitting they got it wrong . Will they ?

337241 Edward, replying to Edward, 7, #1071 of 2045 🔗

Rambling post part 2.
The “sunk costs fallacy” has often been mentioned as one reason why governments haven’t backed off from the damage their policies are causing. A rough analogy has been made with World War 1 where they carried on for years with trench warfare and offensives which caused many deaths for negligible gains.

But I’ve been thinking about World War 2 and how the German people felt as it progressed. At first everything was great, Hitler had revived the German economy and restored national pride, and the German army swept everything before it in 1939-40. Those stubborn British put up a bit of resistance in the Battle of Britain, but they’re pretty much back in their box now, let’s get on with defeating the Soviet Union.

1941, this is proving tougher than we thought, but we still have confidence in our glorious Fuhrer. (This is where my rough analogy comes in, the supposed majority in favour of lockdown are like the German people at this stage.)

1942, more setbacks, Soviets putting up a fight, USA also now in the war. The sunk costs fallacy comes into play, can’t give up now. 1943, more of the same. Despite government control (by both sides) of what the public are told, elements of the truth get through.

By 1944 it’s clear to some that Germany will lose the war. The von Stauffenberg bomb plot was driven by a desire to end the war and avoid total destruction of Germany, and Hitler’s fanaticism was the main obstacle. Unfortunately the plot failed, and the war dragged on into 1945.

Referring back to my previous post, I think the current insanity will drag on for a few more years.

337253 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Edward, 10, #1072 of 2045 🔗

Good post.

I think that when the virus goes (ie we stop obsessively testing for it) we won’t look back and say ‘didnt we do well’. I think we will realise the catastrophe. Currently it is driven by fear and when the fear goes the rationality returns. You can’t look at this rationally and think lockdowns are a good idea

337358 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 4, #1073 of 2045 🔗

Which means that well over half the population is irrational. As if we didn’t know.

337264 ▶▶ rockontommy, replying to Edward, 2, #1074 of 2045 🔗

Alone in Berlin. A good book.

337295 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Edward, 4, #1075 of 2045 🔗

The Second World War was a little different from the German standpoint.

The allies made it clear from 1941 at the latest that they would only accept an unconditional surrender, making it impossible for the German leadership to stop fighting.

337355 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to rockoman, 2, #1076 of 2045 🔗

And we bombed the German cities first, the Blitz only followed that.

DavidC

337517 ▶▶▶▶ tjvs, replying to DavidC, 1, #1077 of 2045 🔗

Rotterdam
Gurnica???

337967 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to rockoman, #1078 of 2045 🔗

Glad to be corrected, I’m no expert on WW2. But if Hitler had been killed in 1944 there might have been scope for a bit of diplomacy.

337317 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Edward, 2, #1079 of 2045 🔗

This similar to my reasoning as to why all these governments are continuing with failed policies. How do they turn round to all us citizens and the business and say ‘you that lockdown hell we put you through and all that money your business lost? Well, we were wrong.’ Much easier to keep the pretence going, only now we have ‘bad actors’ in the likes of sage, Bill Gates ect.. taking advantage. Not to mention its also given the useful idiots something to claim moral superiority over. Plus business’s aren’t going to let go easily on all the ‘covid safe’ measures they’ve put in now they’ve spent money on it.

There’s a long road ahead..

337983 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Wolver, 1, #1080 of 2045 🔗

Good point about business. I saw a poster advert “Competitive prices for your social distancing signage”. I don’t blame them for trying to make a bit of money, that’s what businesses do, but it reinforces the notion that these things are here to stay.

338305 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Edward, #1081 of 2045 🔗

Amazon have been developing social distancing software. Why do that for the short term..

https://summit.news/2020/12/10/amazon-using-social-distancing-technology-to-warns-staffers-who-get-too-close/

337343 ▶▶ number 6, replying to Edward, 3, #1082 of 2045 🔗

100% agree with your analysis. The German people were indeed supportive to Hitler thanks greatly to that genius of modern media propaganda,Joseph Goebbels. Goebbels saw that mass media, including TV which was in its infancy, could be utilised to instil fear into the population by simple subterfuges like the common enemy etc. He knew fear was the most powerful weapon to subjugate a nation, and as long as that fear remained Hitler’s Reich could commit whatever atrocity came to its warped mind. But fear evaporates in time, the people begin to realise and a chain reaction ensues.
Yes, we are now using the “Goebbels” weapon of fear, and its working, hopefully the evaporation phase will be rapid and the perpetrators face justice.

337470 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Edward, 1, #1083 of 2045 🔗

All for Nothing by Walter Kempowski describes that change well.

337990 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to thinkaboutit, #1084 of 2045 🔗

Thanks, I expected there would be a book or three about the topic of German opinions through the war, particularly the civilians.

337248 number 6, replying to number 6, 14, #1085 of 2045 🔗

William Shakespeare wrote that ‘All The World’s A Stage And all the men and women merely players’ in his play ‘As You Like It’. My first experience of this was an ‘Immersive Theatre’ production a few years back put on by my Niece & her Partner at a ‘Fringe’ venue in London. Initially I was a bit weary of the concept, would we the audience actually have to substitute as actors? Well not exactly, in fact it was a very enjoyable experience. Fast forward to the present – Now its REAL ! we all are actors in a Tragedy based on the descent of a once free nation into a dystopian dictatorship, we have to live and experience the unrolling of centuries of progress in the human story.
I am playing what it was like in occupied France WW2. One of my pastimes is Family & Social History – Very Un Woke so I’m told – During WW2 my late Aunt, a Belgian national working as a governess for a Jewish family in Paris, was mixed up in many life saving subterfuges. She told of the escape from Paris to Monaco, which was less dangerous being under Italian control, Avoiding road blocks, carrying resistance messages hidden in baby’s pram. Perhaps if she was alive today it would all come back!
Today I opt out, or rather attempt to:

• No more MSM, rely instead for every day news on the daily Lockdown Sceptics news sheet which gives me a fairly well balanced view of current events / regulations. Also the internet channel UK Column is very good.
• A little bit of MSM in the basic BBC RSS News feed. Only gives headline text which can flag up the latest abomination being hoisted on us.
• Similarly to the above RSS news feeds from DW Germany and France Int. These actually give some World event headlines, eg. Famines etc.
• RT (Russia Today) also can be useful, although they’re following the Lockdown mantra, however they’re always keen to flag up an embarrassing item that may have slipped by the BBC censor. Example, something is let slip on Radio 4’s Today prog’ – disappears from BBC list unless you really look, but RT headlines it !!!!! (As well as a certain D Icke)
• Use the Norwegian on line weather service YrNo to plan what is left of my daily life. Used to rely on BBC Radio 4 weather, but now that’s absolute crap.
• Use EUROMOMO to check on any pending disasters. Thursday is important for me, sets my mind at ease.

• Some tips on navigating during lockdown:

1 Suggestion from elderly lady in Portugal. In order to avoid trouble a police road blocks always have a bag of food which you are (allegedly) taking to a vulnerable person like a Sister or Aunt. They’l let you pass. (Seems some of their Cops are a bit nostalgic for the times before 1974?)

2 When entering a private home or garden for a chat & drink wear a hi-viz jacket so you look like a tradesman fixing the boiler etc. Best to get one with a recognised logo on it so as to convince the Snitches.

3 When exiting another persons house either make sure of the hi-viz, or if its at night make sure all the lights are off. Take extra care of trip hazards etc. don’t want to end up in A&E and catch corona!

4 Make sure your car is fuelled up and in running order so if things turn nasty a escape (to the countryside) can be attempted.

5 Please contribute any further suggestions……………………….

337254 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to number 6, 4, #1086 of 2045 🔗

Hi-viz jacket way to go!!

337249 Hubes, 15, #1087 of 2045 🔗

You can see why fraudsters are so successful at conning people out of money can’t you. It must be so easy for them. These morons (the general public) will believe pretty much anything (apart from reality).

That reminds me I must transfer that money to my half brother in Mongolia.

337250 Country Mumkin, 2, #1088 of 2045 🔗

Haven’t time to look as am home-ending… looks good news though.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1346026750862647297

337252 Victoria, 3, #1089 of 2045 🔗

re First lockdown and school closures – this is what the Government lawyers submitted

Please feel free to share this.

From our first case where the Govt insisted that schools had not been closed in the first lockdown.

“A request, not a direction”

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1346157453076025344

337255 STEVE ROBERTS, 1, #1090 of 2045 🔗

At least Lawson is honest in his condemnation of those of us he calls sceptics to this madness still been pursued. It is written in a shallow, vindictive and crass style, making accusations that are unsubstantiated.
It is a very good example of how those supporting this irrationality have turned it into a modern moral tale, their trump card to be played whenever dissent raises it’s head anywhere.
To be moral is to follow and clamour for more authoritarianism and lockdown, to do otherwise is immoral.
To demand that the very elderly and genuinely vulnerable be protected, if they so wish, at whatever cost to society and that the rest of us live and work as the virus has hardly any serious consequences for most of us is not immoral, we must refute that entirely,it is the morality society has accepted and lived with for generations in the face of viral infections. Lawsons language is deliberately toxic and divisive and i am sure he speaks for so many others. We need to have a reckoning with these establishment figures as soon as possible, they act irrationally, destructively and now it seems with malice. Dissent and refute their accusations of our immorality https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harold-shipmans-ghost-haunts-the-covid-debate-m8c070blz

337263 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 26, #1091 of 2045 🔗

How on earth do we find ourselves under house arrest and business being trashed to protect a health service.

337276 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to DanClarke, 15, #1092 of 2045 🔗

a health service that killed more than the blitz by shovelling infected patients into care homes

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care%20Homes%20Report.pdf

337331 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to steve_w, 3, #1093 of 2045 🔗

It’s now a national disease service. Drug treatment, management and maybe costly cures are popular. Prevention of many of these conditions via diet and public health campaigns including vitamin D supplements gets nowhere. It doesn’t help that the UK population is so obese:

Obesity rates, adults
UK 28%
Japan 4%

which puts cost pressures on our system compared to Japan’s.

337283 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, 16, #1094 of 2045 🔗

The fundamental question is never asked.Normally when the state takes away someone’s liberty there is a long drawn out process.It ends in a court when the defendant is judged by a jury of their peers.
Now we have a fat prick announcing the indefinite deprivation of liberty for the whole country and no one bats an eyelid.

337297 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1095 of 2045 🔗

And without due political process.

DavidC

337324 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1096 of 2045 🔗

It’s a medical emergency.
Apparently.

337325 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1097 of 2045 🔗

Because the NHS has been a basket case since the 80’s and has now morphed into a Skynet tier monster that must be vanquished

337265 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 21, #1098 of 2045 🔗

Freedom of speech, eh?
TR doesn’t follow the new religion so YT cuts it off.
Meanwhile the MSM churns out lies and misleading information and statistics.
Good ain’t it?

337308 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #1099 of 2045 🔗

GoogTube are under no obligation to host everyone and everything
It has never made money and the sooner it Myspaces into oblivion the better
Bitchute will soon be streaming and Gab TV has taken off like a rocket
Get on Alt Tech and stop feeding the beast

337323 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Crystal Decanter, 10, #1100 of 2045 🔗

According to their setup terms in the U.S., they’re supposed to be impartial platforms, like your telephone provider. They’re not supposed to be denying access to the public square on the basis of political or other views, i.e. imposing political censorship, any more than your telephone company cutting you off because they don’t like what you say to your friends, or your electricity supplier disconnecting you because you voted a certain way.
If they’re censoring people, then they are publishers and should have their relevant tax exemptions removed.

337345 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to LMS2, 2, #1101 of 2045 🔗

Moot as this is not how it is in practice and never will be
Ween yourselves off giant corporations and things will get better

337266 EllGee, replying to EllGee, 46, #1102 of 2045 🔗

Just been out on the bike. Lockdown1 the lanes and roads were deserted for two weeks and industrial units closed. When the units started to reopen again they were discreet, one car parked where it couldn’t be seen etc. Lockdown 2 was 48 hours and then everything was back, including the tea van. Lockdown 3, nobody seems to be closed and the roads are busier than ever. Already had a couple of phone calls regarding getting together somewhere. One from a friend who didn’t leave home for eight weeks in lockdown 1.

337284 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to EllGee, 31, #1103 of 2045 🔗

Great to hear! The only thing that ends this is non-compliance on a scale even the police can’t manage. It’s individuals doing their thing and not giving a f*ck. Early on in this I read an article about how pandemics historically end and it can either be a “medical” end or, more likely, it’s when people en masse have decided it’s over. In other words, a social decision based on people’s behaviour. Your post gives me hope.

337338 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 11, #1104 of 2045 🔗

I’m planning to go for a walk tomorrow around Stirling – sunny but cold, which is actually OK if it’s not windy – so I’ll see how things look here. The last few weeks it’s been fairly busy with both pedestrians and vehicles, so it will be interesting to compare. Scotland has been more or less locked down the last week or so anyway, so I don’t think the Dear Leader’s new lockdown makes much of a difference, apart from closing schools (which is evil), but children were home for the holidays anyway.

Totally agree that the shitshow ends when the public pushes the government into stopping it. My police sergeant friend told me long ago that there simply are not enough police to enforce these rules if most people disobey them. That would mean either the government brings in the army – and things could get really ugly – or the government just caves in, and I think the latter is more likely. With any luck we could get rid of Bozo and most of the other incompetent Cabinet ministers as well.

Unfortunately, I think it will need to get worse before it gets better. Today’s closing of Talk Radio’s YouTube channel is another example of egregious censorship and it’s been discussed all over the Internet, so it looks like there’s been a reaction. More of this kind of thing might wake up the sheeple. Having the kids at home, more ‘working from home’, more lost jobs and small businesses, a long (and colder than normal) winter, will all help to push things along, I think.

337372 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #1105 of 2045 🔗

The days when the army could have made any difference to that kind of thing are long gone. The police have more than enough individual firepower on call to coerce ordinary lawbreakers, and the army’s manpower would be a drop in the ocean for any mass refusal to comply.

337367 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1106 of 2045 🔗

Have as many bubbles as you like.

337302 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to EllGee, 1, #1107 of 2045 🔗

You can easily back up your anecdote by looking at google mobility data for your region.

337380 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to EllGee, 7, #1108 of 2045 🔗

Here in the High Peak, we’ve just in from a 5.5. mile walk and we’ve seen dozens of people also out and about, walking, cycling and running despite still-icy conditions. Many of the walkers looked frail and elderly. One old chap was sitting in his wheelchair by the canal, enjoying a beer!

The roads are normally busy and we’ve heard a couple of airplanes going over to/from Manchester airport. We bought a toastie from a canal-boat cafe and as we sat eating them on a bench, we got the (gentle) piss taken out of us by a woman we know for determinedly picnicking ‘no matter what’. As we went past Tesco, we noticed that the car-park was full.

There was amazingly little al fresco face-nappyism, probably less than usual. It’s hard to say what people are thinking but their behaviour may be speaking volumes. Oh, and we’re planning to meet our family soon for a walk and picnic and at least one set of neighbours doesn’t seem to have ‘had the memo’. MW

337422 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to EllGee, 1, #1109 of 2045 🔗

Our place quiet today on foot but then the weather is vile. The roads are a different story, I had problems getting into and out of my side road because the traffic was relentless.

337274 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #1110 of 2045 🔗

Is the ‘Mutated Virus’ Another Cooked-Up Con?

“Mounting mortality data show COVID-19 is hardly the deadly pandemic it’s been made out to be. But just as people were starting to wake up to this fact, the British technocracy came up with a new narrative to keep the fearmongering going.

Mere days before Christmas, U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced there’s a new, mutated, and far more infectious, strain of SARS-CoV-2 on the loose. The answer? Another round of even stricter stay-at-home orders, business shutdowns and travel bans, just in time for the holidays.

[These] U.K. restrictions may remain in effect for months. Considering these unscientific strategies didn’t work the first or second time around, it strains believability to think they’ll work now.

Indeed, anyone who knows anything about the Great Reset agenda can now see that the lockdowns, which destroy local economies and small businesses, have nothing to do with public health. They are mere smokescreens for the greatest transfer (if not theft) of wealth the world has ever seen.

The biggest losers are low- and middle-income earners, especially private business owners, who have been absolutely decimated while large box stores and multinational companies report record-breaking profits.

Despite the obviousness of the scheme, countries are responding to the news of the mutation with fervor. The Netherlands, Italy, Belgium, France, Germany, Poland, Austria, Denmark, Bulgaria and Ireland all issued travel restrictions from the U.K.

Show us the Evidence

Lockdowns Are Not the Answer
Shutting down the world over a respiratory virus will perhaps go down in history as the most destructive and irrational decision ever made by public health “experts,” the World Health Organization and its technocratic allies .

Take Control of Your Health
Last but not least, now is also the time to take control of your own health. Make it a point to really take care of yourself. Remember, insulin resistance , obesity and vitamin D deficiency top the list of comorbidities that significantly raise your risk complications and death from COVID-19. One key health strategy is eliminating all vegetable oils from your diet, which is likely one of the worst metabolic poisons you can eat.

These are also underlying factors in a host of other chronic diseases, including mental health problems, so by addressing them, you’ll improve your chances of getting through this challenging time with your health and sanity intact. You can find tons of information about how to reverse all of these issues by searching my article archives.”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/05/mutated-covid-virus.aspx

337282 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Victoria, 3, #1111 of 2045 🔗

The only mutants seem to be the politicians

337281 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1113 of 2045 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MJRdRC1yH0

2014 – Journalist Harry Vox Warns Against Lockdowns & Quarantines (mirror)
All set out by the Rockefeller foundation back in 2014.

337288 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1114 of 2045 🔗

Watched this in the summer. The document he’s talking about is from 2010. “Lockstep” strategy.

337294 Anti_socalist, 3, #1115 of 2045 🔗

Are Masks Safe … Cold Weather Test
Its not exactly science but worth a look , as you’re all under house arrest its not like you’ve got anything better to do with the next 6 months.

337303 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #1116 of 2045 🔗

Both Hodges and Cadwalladr calling upon sceptics to have “humility” is interesting. “Have humility while I bathe in my all-consuming arrogance. Be humble before the mighty truth I dictate.” Mao is alive and well.

337314 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1117 of 2045 🔗

Where is this – please could we have a link?

337326 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1118 of 2045 🔗

Jesus wept. They’re just trying to rise a reaction for retwats. Stoking the fires of division.

337330 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1119 of 2045 🔗

Isn’t Carole referring to the government there?

337373 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1120 of 2045 🔗

Love this tweet back to Dan Hodges

Jamie Grayson
@truthVSworld
·
Jan 4
Replying to
@DPJHodges
R.I.P all citizens of Belarus, Sweden and Florida.

337322 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1121 of 2045 🔗

Codswallop needs to be tarred and feathered in a public square

I

337332 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1122 of 2045 🔗

‘to send tens of thousands of people to their deaths’ humility versus lying

337304 Basics, 10, #1123 of 2045 🔗

Local rag edinburghlive reporting

“A&E attendances dropped by almost 3,000 in the week over Christmas to the lowest level since mid-May”

In addition they report

“Operations due to take place during November were almost 40% below the number scheduled the previous year”

337312 NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #1124 of 2045 🔗

I cribbed this chart from Joel Smalley’s twitter feed, though maybe he got it from somewhere else? Anyway, it’s a brilliant summary of the situation showing that we had an pandemic, we may now have a bit of an epidemic (certainly the virus appears to be endemic) but that we also have a lot of mis-attribution. That deaths aren’t particularly atypical & that we have 18% fewer people in hospital than this time last year.
As I’ve heard elsewhere, if we didn’t have the PCR testing would we know there was a pandemic scare?

337348 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to NickR, 6, #1125 of 2045 🔗

I don’t think what’s happening now fits the definition of an epidemic. The excess deaths pretty much fit with the standard winter pattern just with Covid replacing flu, which seems to have “disappeared”.

337382 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Chicot, 2, #1126 of 2045 🔗

No – It’s not an ‘epidemic’. The autumn rise to the end of the year is following a normal pattern of mortality.

338200 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Chicot, #1127 of 2045 🔗

Covid is now probably nothing more than rebranded flu. We are being scammed by the great depopulator and his corrupt helpers in the UK government.

337313 Kevin 2, 1, #1128 of 2045 🔗

Great little clever piece of satire by Will Franken about blind compliance.
Won’t be everybody’s cup of tea.
But I found it both funny and poignant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=277kugsBpBg

337320 Basics, replying to Basics, 22, #1129 of 2045 🔗

Glorious placard from twitter just sighted.

FACT CHECK THIS
fact checkers didn’t exist
Until the ugly truth started to get out.

337334 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Basics, #1130 of 2045 🔗

To be fair there is a lot of nonsense on the internet but that’s how it was built.
Should have seen it in the 90’s
Fact checkers would have had kittens

337354 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1131 of 2045 🔗

People probably had better BS detecting instincts back then too.

337335 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1132 of 2045 🔗

Confirmed that Talk Radio has been deplatformed from Youtube. Apologies if this has already been posted.

337344 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1133 of 2045 🔗

Sounds like social media are going to disappear up their own R’s before long

337951 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to DanClarke, #1134 of 2045 🔗

I’m more or less boycotting Facebook, only going on once every few days to see if any friends have posted anything interesting.

337336 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #1135 of 2045 🔗

During the 1st quarter of 2010/11 there were 144,455 NHS England General & Acute beds available, on average 122,551 were occupied. That’s an occupancy rate of 85%.
During the last week Dec, week ending 27th Dec there were on average 89,454 beds available, 12% fewer than in 2019 & 38% fewer than in 2010! Of those available beds 73,943 were occupied, an occupancy rate of 82%. Bed occupancy rates lower now than 10 years ago.

Whilst we have 18% fewer beds occupied than in 2019 we have 40% fewer beds occupied than in 2010.
Assuming we have 1.5m staff in the NHS that equates to over 20 staff for each occupied bed.
The NHS budget has continued to increase each year while the number of beds has reduced. We’ve seen about a 3% annual decrease in beds and, above inflation increase of 1.4% ( https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget#:~:text=Recent%20changes%20to%20funding&text=Budgets%20rose%20by%201.4%20per,since%20the%20NHS%20was%20established .) per annum in the budget.
I don’t doubt the commitment and professionalism of our frontline Doctors and Nurses but something is going drastically wrong here.

337346 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to NickR, #1136 of 2045 🔗

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337366 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NickR, 13, #1137 of 2045 🔗

Absolutely it is. Out of those 1.5m staff around about 1m are not patient facing jobs. They are non clinical jobs, very highly paid. We have the lowest number of acute beds in the developed world and the lowest number of Doctors and Nurses on the front line. Look at it this way, there are more managers, administrators, deputy managers, senior managers than there are beds and patient services. I’ll give you just one example of how they achieve this and I could go into significant numbers of examples but I won’t here:

Some years ago nowI worked in the South West brought into a failing Social Service department to undertake Service and Best Value Reviews of Adult Services, Write Policies, Implement new Government initiatives amongst other things. I will take Mental Health Services both EMI (Elderly Mentally Ill and Working Age). The Strategic Health Authority covered six Local Authority Councils, with the exception of the one I was in and one other, that was not to bad but not good either. I was also the Continuing Healthcare Lead for the LA I worked for as there was a real problem with the local NHS funding any Continuing Healthcare and the Local Authorities were having to spend millions of their own budgets just to get proper services so that patients who were eligible for it were not disadvantaged.

So, the NHS approached the six Local Authorities inviting them to transfer their EMI and Working age Mental Health Services to their newly expanded Mental Health Trust (The Avon and Wiltshire Mental Health Trust to name and shame them). The six Local Authorities agreed to do this and transferred all their EMI and Working Age budgets to the Trust on the understanding, of course, that the Trust would deliver the services as they were being at the time. They transferred their Establishment and Staffing Budgets including for vacancies. The transfer was made in April of that year.

The first thing the Trust did was create an additional FIVE tiers of management, just like that. So, if you were a Team Manager you were automatically slotted into an Area Manager job without interview. If you were an Area Manager etc etc you get the gist. All these jobs were extremely highly paid as they used the Local Authority money to significantly regrade them. There was no planning, no cost benefit analysis, no authorisation at any level of Management, they just did it, overnight.

Consequence? With 8 weeks, they were trying to get the Local Authorities to fund Residential placements for EMI clients, asking for money to fill vacancies that had been transferred to them (which funding had already been transferred), they refused to send Approved Mental Health Practitioners to Hospital to undertake Mental Health Assessments as they did not want to have to fund services, they constantly harangued the Local Authorities to fund services and placements stating they had run out of money and could deliver none of them. This was within 8 weeks. i’ll leave it there. You get the gist. Of course, the Local Authorities (who between them had handed over some £18m worth of annual budget and who always delivered quality services and brought the budget in every year without any deficits and sometimes in surplus) refused to fund any of these services as they had, effectively, commissioned the Trust to provide them. Well, the Trust simply refused to provide and fund these services, until forced to be either the hospitals who required patient assessments for discharge or from relatives. Remember, the LA’s no longer had mental health teams. Three of the LAs had excellent ratings and they, within 3 months, withdrew their funding. I set about instigating Breach of Contract proceedings against the Trust and the remaining two joined in.

This is one example of millions. This is where the NHS budget is going on, themselves. It happens in every Trust, Hospital, PCT etc. There is no financial accountability or authorisation structure, if you are a budget holder you can spend the money how you like and usually, that is on unashamed empire building to obtain a further regrading.

Still, we are having to pay the price of their gross incompetence. They don’t give a damn about their patients just themselves. They’ve never had it so easy. It is the patients that suffer and suffer horribly.

This is the truth of it no more no less.

337374 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1138 of 2045 🔗

This is what I’ve heard too. Also good that in both comments it’s recognised that the budget and hence the Tories have increased the NHS funding each year. So we can dispel that myth.

However it isn’t been used for anything more than pure grift.

And we are now seeing the same thing:

Public sector workers on full pay. Retail, leisure and hospitality getting up to 9 grand, enough to cover maybe a week or two of overheads in some places.

In Germany, companies get I believe 75% of REVENUE.

If ever you thought this was about a virus? This is about protecting GRIFT

337398 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Jo Dominich, #1139 of 2045 🔗

and of course , reducing a budget (e.g. cost savings) is a sign of failure in the public sector. So the budget will be spent regardless because spending the whole budget indicates you need more so next years budget will be increased.

A reminder of yes ministers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5zEb1oS9A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eyf97LAjjcY

337339 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #1140 of 2045 🔗

I am now going to take a probably lengthy break from this site. And from the whole thing. Good night.

337342 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1141 of 2045 🔗

thanks for letting us know

337349 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #1142 of 2045 🔗

You going into lockdown skeptics lockdown

337670 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Andrew K, #1143 of 2045 🔗

Mugabe media lockdown

337893 ▶▶ Edward, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1144 of 2045 🔗

Best wishes NN, enjoy your break.

337340 mj, replying to mj, 5, #1145 of 2045 🔗

why the lying BBC is so influential … Just looking at Guido and they have shown the breakdown of viewers for the kebab sellers broadcast last night

  • BBC One – 14.09m
  • ITV – 6.12m
  • Channel Four – 1.94m
  • BBC News channel – 1.49m
  • Sky News – 1.24m

I know they are all lying propaganda shysters .. but they had over 60% The public are so gullible.

337389 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to mj, 7, #1146 of 2045 🔗
  • David’s house – 0

DavidC

337669 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mj, #1147 of 2045 🔗

Look on the bright side thats only about 22 million brainwashed zombies, that leaves errr, about 50 million who might not be brainwashed….

337341 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 25, #1148 of 2045 🔗

Oh…the irony!

A near neighbour of mine suffers from COPD (Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)—not nice! He’s never smoked but has taken steroids for many years because of severe asthma. He gets out of breath fairly easily but is still maintaining regular exercise where he can. He is a dedicated Covidian and is prone to the Covid dance and a tendency to view other human beings as a source of death and destruction. Two meters is not far enough for this bloke and if there is not a road’s width between him and another he gets twitchy.

Talking to his wife (she’s not as brainwashed as he is and I imagine that all is not well in that household!) she tells me that ‘Fred’ has tried to wear a mask and desperately wants to but that he simply cannot do it for want of breath.

This is the first instance I have come across of someone who really wants to wear a mask but genuinely cannot because the discomfort is too great and I have to say that instead of feeling sympathy for him I’m prone to feeling somewhat amused.

337351 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #1149 of 2045 🔗

can he not just put some holes in the mask?

337386 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1150 of 2045 🔗

Tricky one. Fact is, with COPD and asthma he wouldn’t stand a chance if he had even a mild dose that most of us would recover from.
As far as masks are concerned, common sense should tell him they’re a no-no for him and anyone else for that matter. His best defence is indeed distance, so give him a wide berth!

337393 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1151 of 2045 🔗

He is not going last too long / low quality of life being on steroids for such a long time. He will be better off improving his immune system with Vitamin D3, K2 and Magnesium and then added high doses of vitamin C to start the repair process – will take a long time

337416 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #1152 of 2045 🔗

I want to wear a mask too but i feel silly. I couldn’t bring myself to believe that a piece of cloth over my mouth will do anything other than make it harder to breathe

337462 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Biker, 2, #1153 of 2045 🔗

Unless of course you make a mask out of the material Mrs Hopkins has suggested for me:

337347 rockontommy, replying to rockontommy, 4, #1154 of 2045 🔗

Has anyone else been using the NHS app to report symptoms in order to get knobhead Corona panic colleagues triggered and sent home for a few days.

Or is that just me?

337369 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to rockontommy, 14, #1155 of 2045 🔗

Hopefully just you. Your few days of relief from knobhead colleagues is feeding in to the loss of livelihoods for some of us. Sure they’ll fiddle the numbers to suit, but please don’t make it easier for them.

337560 ▶▶▶ rockontommy, replying to Charlie Blue, #1156 of 2045 🔗

Aren’t you a barrel o’ laffs

337350 Wolver, replying to Wolver, 1, #1157 of 2045 🔗

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1346430549838147595

Statement from talkradio on youtube removal.

337361 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Wolver, 2, #1158 of 2045 🔗

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55544205

The ministry of truth has more..

337375 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Wolver, 4, #1159 of 2045 🔗

not a lot of sympathy from the BBC for a fellow radio station.
Strangely they mention the types of right wing organisations that have also been banned by youtube – as if they want to draw a comparison with talk radio. And the fact checker mentions how they have had to check facts on some of the people who have appeared on talk radio.

337383 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to mj, 4, #1160 of 2045 🔗

And how did the fact checkers, check those facts? By using the governments advises facts… No more challenging the governments figures guys or we’ll fact check you with the same government figures your challenging.

337377 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Wolver, 2, #1161 of 2045 🔗

From Marianna Spring:

“Social media sites have come under increasing pressure to tackle the rise of coronavirus falsehoods and conspiracies online – particularly about the vaccine and the latest wave of coronavirus.
But they face a number or dilemmas. Primarily, the battle between free speech and the need to tackle disinformation that has been linked to real-world harm.
Drawing a line between what counts as legitimate concerns about lockdowns and false conspiracies about the pandemic can be tricky – especially when some of those views are carried by mainstream news outlets.
YouTube has previously taken action against influencers and groups who have shared popular, slick videos promoting false claims about the pandemic – but the action against TalkRadio’s popular radio station marks a first, at least for the UK.
It remains unclear why TalkRadio’s YouTube account was removed – but it has been controversial for its choice of speakers and discussions around the pandemic and lockdowns.”

She can’t criticise what YT have done as she is in the censorship business

337431 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 2, #1162 of 2045 🔗

“Drawing a line between what counts as legitimate concerns about lockdowns and false conspiracies about the pandemic can be tricky

What’s so tricky? And perhaps a good place to start with misleading information is in your own backyard, with BBC propagandised information that distorts through omission and bias in favour of a patently false government narrative :

  • How many SAGE predictions have been misleading and based on distorted data?
  • How does mortality for 2020 compare with the past 25 years?
  • Are hospitals ‘overwhelmed’ – any more than in previous years?
  • What do PCR+ results signify? Why did their inventor caution against their use as a diagnostic tool?
  • What evidence is there for (a) masking and (b) lockdowns?
  • Has the Covid virus led to an ‘unprecedented’ peacetime situation as claimed by government?
  • How do the safety measures for these new vaccines compare with the norm of testing?

Just a few starters for 10.

337881 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Julian, #1163 of 2045 🔗

Lockdowns cause real-world harm.

337384 ▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to Wolver, 3, #1164 of 2045 🔗

Reported by Marianna Spring….total wet- she’s got previous

337400 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Wolver, 1, #1165 of 2045 🔗

“Analysis by Marianna Spring, Disinformation and social media reporter’.

Another 16 year old wet behind the ears fuckwit…(as earlier, sorry for the language! And I know she’s not 16!).

DavidC

337497 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to DavidC, 2, #1166 of 2045 🔗

Years ago, we would have joked that she was a YTS trainee, but I don’t think we have them any more…

337365 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Wolver, 5, #1167 of 2045 🔗

The inherent fascism of big money.

337379 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 5, #1168 of 2045 🔗

Or of any large powerful organisation not subject to sufficient checks and balances, say for example the BBC…

337407 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 2, #1169 of 2045 🔗

Indeed. But this shit-show is primarily driven by global capital backed by local graft.

The BBC and NHS are two examples of somewhat different organisations which have much to do with the decline of political/constitutional checks, although there are clearly parallels.

337413 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, 4, #1170 of 2045 🔗

Lol, Rick you are funny. You still sharing a flat with Vivian and Mike?

337368 ▶▶ mj, replying to Wolver, 2, #1171 of 2045 🔗

and going by some of the comments, a lot of villages are missing their idiot

337370 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Wolver, 2, #1172 of 2045 🔗

excellent publicity for talk radio, they must be very pleased

337492 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Wolver, #1173 of 2045 🔗

Are Twitter censoring links now? I’ve tried a few times today to check your link and others, and I’m told “This is not available to you.” Never had that problem before. I’m using Duck Duck Go, but have been for some time.

337595 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Ken Gardner, #1174 of 2045 🔗

just checked and link works . i also use duck

337352 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 11, #1175 of 2045 🔗

New dailly record for infections 60916 and deaths 830 . How convenient for the upcoming Chuckle Bros show
All except 25 aged between 56 and 101 had underlying health conditions.

337357 ▶▶ MickJ, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1176 of 2045 🔗

I’d like to see evidence of these ‘deaths’ and who they claim is dying and their pathology reports

337363 ▶▶ rose, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1177 of 2045 🔗

The other 25 had no known underlying conditions …unless they have a postmortem we will never know for sure

337364 ▶▶ mj, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1178 of 2045 🔗

sorry…. is that “tests that show a positive” and “deaths where covid mentioned or positive test within 28 days”?

337395 ▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1179 of 2045 🔗

Well – we can forget ‘infections’ – they’re just the usual PCR+ bollocks.

Deaths? Guesswork based on the bollocks. The figure is about half the number of all-cause deaths for this period; I doubt that these are all really ‘Covid’.

Still waiting for Week 52 mortality figures to finally put the year in context.

337404 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, 2, #1180 of 2045 🔗

You’re right on there Rick. When we see the whole year we’ll know a lot more but they’ll string that bollocks out until March though i think. They’ll want to look at the numbers from March till March. I can’t wait for the year to be up then we can throw in their faces the same amount of deaths as we normally see.

337399 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1181 of 2045 🔗

Also, deaths date from 5 November, with ‘the majority’ after 1 Jan. On a reported basis, it has ticked up to mid-550 per day.

337408 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1182 of 2045 🔗

A while ago we only had ONS figures of registered deaths but then we started getting these ‘all over the place’ scary NHS death statistics. Do we know how these NHS death figures are compiled? and do they bear any relation to the definitive ONS figures?

Also, I notice that although we have started a new year, the NHS total just grows and grows, so presumably they are compiling a total pandemic deaths figure whereas presumably, as is there agreed practice, the ONS will draw a line under 2020 and start a new set of data for 2021?

337695 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Steve Martindale, #1183 of 2045 🔗

Oxford CEBM https://www.cebm.net/oxford-covid-19-evidence-service/ used to do daily death updates that showed the totals for when deaths occurred as well as the totals when deaths reported. They have stopped doing this.

337409 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to arfurmo, #1184 of 2045 🔗

I’m finding it hard to believe that tens of thousands of people are lining up every single day to get tested.

Do we know if all new cases are unique, i.e. not the same people testing positive multiple times?

337473 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Nobody2021, #1185 of 2045 🔗

Perhaps hundreds of thousands lining up every day? I’m not sure what percentage of tests give a positive result now. It used to be around 10% I believe, but may be a much higher rate now? But still I agree, it’s hard to believe so many are doing it, especially in this weather. I guess a good number of the reported tests must be in care homes, hospitals and places of work.

337564 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ken Gardner, #1186 of 2045 🔗

I drove past a testing centre at 10:00 this morning and if it wasn’t for the goons on the door I would of thought it was closed, hardly queuing around the block.

337489 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nobody2021, #1187 of 2045 🔗

Nearly half a million being tested every day now…

337512 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to A. Contrarian, #1188 of 2045 🔗

So positive rate more like 10-15% now…

This means that perhaps 1% or more of the adult population are being tested every day. I find that very hard to believe (not doubting that you have checked the figure of course).

337658 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ken Gardner, #1189 of 2045 🔗

Yep, it’s about 20% in my area, but only gone up so much in the last week or two.

I think plenty of the tests are the same people getting tested over and over again (e.g. NHS staff, care workers) but still an awful lot of people getting tested apart from that. 464,000 in the UK today according to the govt dashboard.

337419 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1190 of 2045 🔗

Oh no, a 101 year old dying with no underlying health conditions, truly gone before their time

337435 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1191 of 2045 🔗

And it was ice cream and jelly for dessert tonight; look what the poor bugger missed out on.

337718 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to arfurmo, #1192 of 2045 🔗

An interesting short presentation of C-19 deaths in UK

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yop6865e1vkreqr/England-4Jan21.pdf?dl=0

337356 MickJ, 2, #1193 of 2045 🔗

If we look carefully at the wording they use there is no mention of dangers of death, there’s only things like ‘….. our hospitals are under more pressure from Covid than at any time since the start of the pandemic,” he said’ there is no mention of any actual deaths and already it’s a ‘new variant’ which is ‘spreading at a ‘frustrating and alarming manner’. WTF does all this mean?! I think that the few of us that still have the ability to think can see through the bullshit

337378 Mark, replying to Mark, 12, #1194 of 2045 🔗

A disguised but helpful message for Johnson from Laurence Fox:

Remember, Johnson:

Hands. Knife. Chest.

So simple even you might manage it without cocking it up.

337427 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Mark, 3, #1195 of 2045 🔗

Yes Johnson. Beware the Ides of March.

337432 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Mark, 2, #1196 of 2045 🔗

Brilliant… best laugh of the day.

337388 bebophaircut, 4, #1197 of 2045 🔗

If that is what Boris looks like these days he doesn’t look too healthy.

Read all of Alinsky’s 12 Rules for Radicals and come up with variations of your own to defeat the Great Reset Globalists. Have fun doing it.

https://bolenreport.com/saul-alinskys-12-rules-radicals/

337391 Maverick, replying to Maverick, 33, #1198 of 2045 🔗

Just had a stand-up argument in the middle of Sainsbury’s with a masked zombie. Fuckin crazy! Said I could give him the virus yet kept less than a metre away from me whilst screaming in my face. I gave it a few minutes, as I was enjoying rebutting his bullshit, before I finally told him I was exempt and pulled out my back-up lanyard, which shut him up! Be careful out there folks, the brainwashed idiots are getting even crazier and it’s impossible to convert them to sanity.

337406 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Maverick, 15, #1199 of 2045 🔗

Suggested comment: So if you believe a mask will protect you then it will protect you, get out of my face

337428 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Maverick, 10, #1200 of 2045 🔗

Well done for standing your ground…

On Sunday afternoon, I was on a train home from Green Park. I was the only person on that carriage… along come two police officers, one male one female, and as they pass by me they were gesturing to put a mask on! The female officer actually stopped and started to give me her Spiel about how this is a law and how they can fine, until I pulled out my lanyard. Again: the train carriage was empty except for me. Who were they trying to protect… me from myself… so that I can breathe my own shit down my throat into my lungs under a mask? Screw these rules… they are not for protection, only for harassment. The British police is losing my respect faster and faster these days.

Yesterday I watched a YT video by someone who I actually quite liked and respected… until he yesterday officially proclaimed that he has two friends who contracted Covid and the people who are not wearing masks have (their) blood on their hands. My jaw dropped… like, how can you be so certain that your friends contracted Covid through unmasked people…? And where, in a shop? Did they notice the exact moment Covid penetrated their bodies and did they actually trace it back with X-ray eyes to the unmasked people around them? The guy usually preaches about being kind to one another, but flat out turns every single unmasked person into a mass murderer?

Yes it’s getting crazier out there and will continue to for a few more weeks before things will level out a bit…

337860 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Maverick, 1, #1201 of 2045 🔗

I saw a lady with an interesting lanyard in the shopping centre this morning. It was the blue, yellow & white one from the government website, same one that I use, but this lady had one of almost A5 size.

337397 TheBluePill, 12, #1202 of 2045 🔗

How can these evil puppets claim that hospital occupancy is 40% higher than the spring peak and simultaneously claim that the NHS was almost overrun during that time. You don’t need to trawl through data to infer that this is a stinking blatant lie.

337401 NickR, replying to NickR, 15, #1203 of 2045 🔗

Just heard BBC reporting 830 deaths, shock horror!!! Let’s look at that. It follows 2 days of 455 & 407 (not reported), so over the 3 days the average has been 564. The prior 7 day average was 677, so in fact we’re looking at a decline over the last few days.

337433 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to NickR, 3, #1204 of 2045 🔗

But, but … ‘exponential’. Don’t you understand that numbers don’t just quantify things, they cause events! Within a week or two it will be hundreds of thousands a day.

337513 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, #1205 of 2045 🔗

… and then come back to the fact that the causation of these deaths is anybody’s guess, within a normal framework of 12-13000 all-cause deaths per week.

Are government advisors that mathematically incompetent?

337405 Ozzie, 7, #1206 of 2045 🔗

Interesting article in the US Spectator:

https://spectator.us/anthony-fauci-strikes-estimate-covid-vaccine/

Sen. Marco Rubio caused an uproar over the weekend when he plainly stated two important facts — the first being that Dr Fauci discouraged the purchasing and wearing of protective masks back in March. Fauci told 60 Minutes on March 8 that ‘right now, people should not be walking, there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.’ When pressed by the host, who said ‘you’re sure of this? Because people are listening very closely,’ Fauci doubled down. ‘When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a bit better. It might even block a droplet. But it is not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is.’ Fauci finished by saying ‘when you think masks you should think healthcare providers as needing them and people who are ill’.

This was not an offhand comment. This was a sober analysis from a medical professional considered the top expert in his field. Fauci of course backtracked on this stance, essentially saying the reason he wasn’t truthful was for the public good, to allow supplies to go to ‘the people, namely the healthcare workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in harm’s way, to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected.’

News outlets like the New York Times and Gizmodo admonished Fauci for being untruthful over this.

​As the vaccination process revved up, Fauci began to dip his toes into the subject of herd immunity among the general population. Fauci has said if 70 percent of the population were vaccinated, herd immunity could be reached. However last week, he admitted to that he was downplaying that number in an interview with the New York Times , and is now saying his herd immunity ‘estimate’ is 80 to 85 percent. His reason for not being truthful with these numbers at first was ‘partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks’.

Imagine a scenario, if you will, in which Dr Anthony Fauci is your personal physician, and he comes to you with news about your sickness. It could be pneumonia. It could be cancer. His first assessment is to inform you that you aren’t really that sick and this treatment won’t really do much for you. Then six months later, as you get sicker, he tells you to strenuously begin treating yourself with the very thing he said you did not need. Now imagine another scenario in which the good doctor tells you he was not being truthful with you because he tells you in his gut, you were not ready to hear the truth about how sick you were, but now that you are further along in your sickness and treatment, he can finally be honest with you about steps needed to mitigate your sickness. This would not be acceptable for you or your family. It should not be acceptable for the country as a whole. We shouldn’t live in a health-propaganda state.

337410 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 15, #1207 of 2045 🔗

Just returned from a bike ride. Not too many people out and about on the walking/cycling trail but that may have something to do with the bitter cold (it will be interesting to see what happens next week when the temperature makes it above 5 degrees again – long time no see). Retail park surprisingly busy considering there are about 3 shops and the Costa drive thru open. However, the roads are still ramned and clearly some people have not got the ‘work from home’ memo on the industrial estate. Considering the schools are shut and so is pretty much everything else, where are these people going?! Not that I’m complaining of course!

337417 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to nocheesegromit, 13, #1208 of 2045 🔗

Literally same here. Slightly fewer cars on the road this morning but numbers soon climbed after lunch. Town centre is definitely quieter because everything is closed but there are loads of pedestrians and runners on footpaths and pavements. Pretty much almost the same as yesterday.

I have always wondered that too – if everything is either banned or shut, then where is everyone going…? This is why I think that the main reason there is no popular pushback against restrictions is because people are just secretly ignoring them anyway.

337426 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Poppy, 7, #1209 of 2045 🔗

And you can bet that at least some of these people will be the ‘if only everyone stayed at home and wasn’t so selfish’ types. There must be a lot of cognitive dissonance going on.

337429 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to nocheesegromit, 7, #1210 of 2045 🔗

Absolutely. Another reason why I believe the polls are so heavily weighted in favour of zealotry; people choose the virtuous answer, but don’t actually believe or practise what they are saying.

337447 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin Finnerty, replying to Poppy, 2, #1211 of 2045 🔗

Or to put it more kindly, people feel pressured to give the answer they think the opinion pollsters want, rather than saying what they actually think. A bit like the ‘shy Tory voters’.

337414 Ceriain, 4, #1212 of 2045 🔗

Quick one on today’s 830 reported deaths* (i.e. the propaganda figure the MSM will use).

Here’s when the deaths* actually occured. These are the deaths by date of death* figures.

First column is date; second column is what was on the Gov site yesterday; third column is what was on the Gov site today; fourth column is what was added today. Hope that makes sense.

*As always, deaths are those within 28 days of a postive PCR test; there is no guarantee any of these people died OF Covid.

337415 danny, replying to danny, 2, #1213 of 2045 🔗

So is that it for the press conference? Just more graphs and horror stories from Whitless?

337425 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to danny, 12, #1214 of 2045 🔗

Pretty much. I had to turn it off when he came on. I would have turned off earlier, but was too busy throwing up watching BOJO talking about the sacrifices we are all making.

Anyone notice he was stumbling all over the place while delivering his statement.

Fat cunt doesn’t believe a word of what he was reading!

337430 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1215 of 2045 🔗

Yes, the lies are getting so blatant now that they can’t even fool themselves, and they are tripping themselves up.

337418 danny, 6, #1216 of 2045 🔗

Looking at their ridiculous graphs hasn’t it occurred to anyone that the flatline zero period covers June july and August, namely the only time of the year without lockdown and with things like the eat out scheme?

337420 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1217 of 2045 🔗

“Other experts in the field offer a more conventional explanation:

Timothy Sly, an Epidemiology Professor at Ryerson University in Toronto, told Just the News that “the reduced incidence of seasonal influenza is almost certainly due to the protection that a large proportion of the population has been using for many months”. Those measures, he said, are “designed to be effective against any airborne respiratory virus”.”

Jonathan Barr left out the next bit. He went on to say:

“Hence the incredible performance of these measures in also seeing off Covid-19. I know about these things. Look, I’m a Professor of Epidemiology and I earn my salary…”
AG

337421 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #1218 of 2045 🔗

1/2 The Bait & Switch of Vaccine Deaths With COVID-19 Mortalities 30/12/20 by The Bernician
In perhaps the most controversial post I’ve ever made on this blog, I can now confirm that official data shows that the first and second waves of alleged Covid deaths correspond with the roll out of this year’s WHO-approved flu vaccines.

Evidence from the WHO’s own records shows that the shots are known to kill 5 out of every 1,324 healthy adults, as well as causing 344 to have medically attended adverse events.

It therefore appears obvious that the manufacturers of the scamdemic played a classic bait and switch move, in order to create plausible deniability for this year’s deaths from flu vaccines and to guarantee a whole lot more fatalities from the Covid jabs, which they intend to inject us all with in 2021.

The Genocidal Switcheroo Damning evidence from the WHO in my possession implicitly states that the current batch of UK flu shots is expected to kill 377 of every 100,000 healthy adults, between 18 and 65.
However, that mortality rate would obviously increase substantially for the elderly and sick, who were the largest UK demographic to receive it by 26/03/2020 [8.5 m of the 14 m vaccinated by that date].

In such circumstances, out of the 14 million vaccinated with the flu shot during the first 12 weeks of 2020, at least 52,780 would have been expected to suffer fatal adverse events from the vaccines administered.

That being the case, the government needed the Coronavirus Act 2020 to suspend autopsies, which obviously could have established the predominant cause of death was the flu vaccines, rather than the government lurgy that has never even been proven to exist.

Grim Mortality Prediction If this incredibly serious allegation of bait and switch has substance, I can now predict with relative and grim certainty, that in the event 30 million healthy adults receive one of the WHO-approved flu vaccines in the UK, 113,100 would be expected to die within 22 days of the injection.

Which the government would obviously claim is merely the latest surge of lurgy deaths, as the second flu shot season draws to an end, along with the worst year in living memory, during which no vaccine deaths have been recorded, to the very best of my knowledge.
Whilst only time will tell whether that grim prediction comes true [and I sincerely hope that it doesn’t], the best way to unequivocally prove that COVID deaths are in fact vaccine mortalities is to perform autopsies on the bodies of the dead.

Fatal Coincidence Nevertheless, we already know that the end of the first flu shot season this year was 26/03 – the day they passed the Coronavirus Act 2020. A fatal coincidence, if ever there was one.

The mortality spike that followed the initial lockdown from 23/03/2020, was, it logically follows, due to the surge of adverse events from 14 million vaccinations, over the first 12 weeks of the year.

Quite simply, the more people who took the vaccine each week, the more people died and were falsely recorded as Covid deaths, which actually began in January and not March, according to official data.

In other words, they started falsifying the cause of death as being Covid in the same month this year’s first round of flu shots began.
Which is why the suspension of autopsies prescribed by the 2020 Act was integral to the perpetuation of the scamdemic and the creation of the genocidal government policy which continues unabated.

Mass Sterilisation Agenda We don’t know for sure if the mortality rate will be the same, similar, more or less, but all the evidence we have strongly suggests that the primary purpose of the Covid vaccines is to switch off our reproductive systems, whilst permanently altering our DNA.

Provided, of course, that we manage to survive being poisoned with all manner of Big Pharma toxins and having nanobots let loose on our central nervous system.
However, we will know the answer soon enough, as the government are effectively continuing the testing stage right now, using the public as guinea pigs, in a ‘live’ experiment of genuinely Malthusian proportions.

They already appear to be covering up the mortality rate and other adverse effects from the vaccine, while ramping up the scam of the second strain of the government lurgy, which has never been and never will be either isolated or purified.

https://www.thebernician.net/the-bait-switch-of-vaccine-deaths-with-covid-19-mortalities/

337424 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #1219 of 2045 🔗

2/2

Judgment Day Draws Ever Closer

It goes without saying that as soon as we have enough prima facie evidence to nail these charges and more, in the Private Criminal Prosecution of those who stand accused of fraud, treason and mass murder, we will proceed without hesitation.

Nevertheless, it is also worthy of note that the bait and switch described above is exactly the same kind of fraud the banksters love to play, which confirms who our real adversaries are in this mortal war of attrition, for those who still require confirmation of that fact.
Since the Rothschild cartel sits behind the curtain and pull the strings of their academic, scientific, media and political puppets, who will all no doubt sing like canaries when they appear before their juries, to defend their indefensible crimes against the people.

My instinct tells me that the exposure of this genocidal bait and switch has the potential to blow the lid off the whole scam a mile high, once we have all the prima facie evidence required to sustain the most serious allegations ever made in a Common Law court.

https://www.thebernician.net/the-bait-switch-of-vaccine-deaths-with-covid-19-mortalities/

337423 cloud6, 1, #1220 of 2045 🔗

Your going to love this one ! Great soundtrack, great picture…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaMX0Cs5Bc4

337434 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #1221 of 2045 🔗

Appparently, there were 60,000 new “cases” today, on top of all the millions of “cases” to date.
Whitty just told us that one person in 50 has the virus (note the present tense!). That’s on top of all those who had it last year.
So can anyone please explain why on earth we all need to get vaccinated against it?????

337439 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1222 of 2045 🔗

Because… money and control.

Natural herd immunity don’t pay for those yachts, y’know.

337476 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1223 of 2045 🔗

Exactly I somehow don’t think this vaccine is to protect us against the virus!!! If you are healthy and under 70 you have over a 99% chance of recovering from Covid should you be unlucky enough to catch it.

337552 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Janette, -1, #1224 of 2045 🔗

And if ‘everybody’ is vaccinated and the virus does what’s SUPPOSED to do then the rsik of catching it goes down accordingly.

DavidC

338316 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to DavidC, #1225 of 2045 🔗

Intrigued as to why I’ve been downvoted twice for stating a fact!

DavidC

337711 ▶▶ George L, replying to Cheezilla, #1226 of 2045 🔗

Yeah.. they’re testing bloody fish now!

337436 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 9, #1227 of 2045 🔗

Useless overweight fucker is caveating again by saying if nothing unexpected happens with the virus, no mutations etc, then it will all get better. You can see from its porcine face that is exactly what it is planning on happening. Same as it said yesterday.

337444 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #1228 of 2045 🔗

Same as it said yesterday.

Yup! A couple of us commented on all those ‘ifs’ when he made his statement last night. If they fuck up the vaccine rollout, like they have everything else, then we are in lockdown for ever.

Hang on, that’s wrong; let me do a quick strike out. Ah, that’s better.

337459 ▶▶ Basics, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #1229 of 2045 🔗

After his bout of chicken pox earlier on 2020 he was all guns blazing for losing weight. The idiotic fool went on to dish out national measures to increase fast food consumption. His jogaday lifestyle now folded.

337438 nocheesegromit, 9, #1230 of 2045 🔗

The picture of Boris in 2035 bears a striking resemblance to Father Jack. By that point his press conferences may consist of him sitting in his armchair shouting ‘VIRUS! NHS! VACCINE! UNPRECEDENTED!’ on repeat for half an hour.

337440 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 10, #1231 of 2045 🔗

Sir Patrick Vallance – viruses mutate, but we will have another vaccine for that – kerching!

337442 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 10, #1232 of 2045 🔗

“Kerching” indeed!

What a scumbag that man is.

337448 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #1233 of 2045 🔗

If he actually stated that, then there it is. We are always told of their plans in plain sight. Nothing is hidden. Our consent is harvested accordingly.

The theory that multiple vaccinations per year are what is planned looks pretty solid.

337463 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Richard O, 3, #1234 of 2045 🔗

Yes, the entirety of the UK economy will be turned over to continuous vaccination and testing. Six month cycles to justify: November-April, vaccinations and lockdowns to ‘Save Our NHS’, followed by May-October, testing to support tiers and partial restrictions, on-off.

337482 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 7, #1235 of 2045 🔗

Chuck in a bit of PPE and we have the world’s first wholly pharmaceutical state. Pharmocracy.

337654 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #1236 of 2045 🔗

They’ve had this tech for a time. They don’t just happen on new virus and start building. They have a base for a vaccine, outline made, much of the infrastructure is in place. As a mutant arrives, they fill in the dots.

337709 ▶▶ George L, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #1237 of 2045 🔗

This guy needs to be on Mastermind.. specialist subject.. Primary Colours..

337812 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1238 of 2045 🔗

It’s been recognised for a while, even in mainstream medical circles, that “over-medicalisation” is a problem. A prime example is the over-use of antibiotics which has reduced their effectiveness.

337441 Basics, 5, #1239 of 2045 🔗

NHS spends £2m on gagging contracts.

https://youtu.be/YSUKt4ROcNc
3min Alex Belfield with the story.

Lying by omission, otherwise known as exclusionary detailing, is lying by either omitting certain facts or by failing to correct a misconception.

337443 danny, replying to danny, 15, #1240 of 2045 🔗

Just witnessed Vallance excitedly tell the press conference that “in the years to come” we will need variants to the current vaccine, and that this is a wonderful thing. There’s the proof. Perpetual fear. Perpetual vaccines. Perpetual masks. The normal flow of viruses coming and going every year since time began to be replaced with a perpetually medicalised, distanced, home working model.

337449 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to danny, 6, #1241 of 2045 🔗

So, it’s the flu!

337450 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to danny, 1, #1242 of 2045 🔗

Does anyone else think that Valence stumbles when it gets to technical discussion, and looks nervously at his notes? Looks like he doesn’t understand what he is saying. Wonder where he bought his qualifications from?

337519 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheBluePill, #1243 of 2045 🔗

Arthur Daley

337549 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to danny, #1244 of 2045 🔗

Isn’t that what they’ve called in the past ‘flu’?

DavidC

337445 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #1245 of 2045 🔗

Just in case anyone wanted a graphic to illustrate to others how the data is manipulated look at the reporting of deaths by date reported as opposed to within 28 days of a positive test. It’s scandalous.

337458 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NickR, 1, #1246 of 2045 🔗

Brilliant. Can see it plainly and in simple format.

337505 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Jo Dominich, #1247 of 2045 🔗

Thanks, of course, today’s alleged 830 deaths is there, see my post below showing that this actually brings the average down not up.

337547 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to NickR, #1248 of 2045 🔗

As ever Nick, good charts. Thank you.

DavidC

337644 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, #1249 of 2045 🔗

Wouldn’t a zealot just pick the under reported numbers and say that the government are not locking down hard enough and going for herd immunity etc

337911 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1250 of 2045 🔗

They do! But I would say, given that we have 18% fewer people in English hospitals this year compared to last year that it isn’t the virus that’s causing the problem.

337446 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 1, #1251 of 2045 🔗

Just caught the start of the briefing.

What a pathetic set of graphs Whitless had to present. If that is the best they can do the day after announcing lockdown they had better up their game

337632 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to SilentP, #1252 of 2045 🔗

Their heart not in it? Maybe they know its a walk in the park now.

337451 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 10, #1253 of 2045 🔗

Professor Whitty – we already have the plan on restrictions for next winter!

337460 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #1254 of 2045 🔗

He didn’t really just say that did he?

337465 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Jo Dominich, 3, #1255 of 2045 🔗

More or less, words to the effect ‘we might need to do things next winter’

337487 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Jo Dominich, 3, #1256 of 2045 🔗

Have a look at Fergusons original model from March. They’ve never deviated from it and it’s all in there. Restrictions on and off for 2 years minimum.

337583 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1257 of 2045 🔗

Sure did.

337467 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 5, #1258 of 2045 🔗

Once again it could not be clearer where this is headed, so I salute them for being honest and open with us. I bet we are the only ones listening to these press conferences.

337452 danny, 16, #1259 of 2045 🔗

Whitty up next. “We might have to bring in a few restrictions next winter for example”. These people have to go.

337453 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, #1260 of 2045 🔗

Just came across this via Simon Dolan’s twitter:

337457 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1261 of 2045 🔗

Then had a look at her profile:

337461 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1262 of 2045 🔗

Yet she supports lockdowns and (by implication) access to those things which help with mental health.

337471 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1263 of 2045 🔗

She’s known as ‘Mad Nad’ on Guido

337496 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1264 of 2045 🔗

She’ll blame that on the non mask wearers. As long as they have a rope, they’ll continue to hang themselves with it.

337474 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1265 of 2045 🔗

Fixed that for you. 😉

337477 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1266 of 2045 🔗

So calling it a mutant killer virus is supportive to people’s mental health is it?

Not the sort of language that should be coming from a supposedly “trusted” MP in any circumstances, let alone one concerned with mental health.

337481 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ozzie, #1267 of 2045 🔗

Mutant killer lockdowns.

They mutate more than their virus, predicted to kill more life than their virus too.

337567 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1268 of 2045 🔗

The flu is a mutating killer virus too Nadine. Didn’t we all panic when it and the cold weather took 64,000 + people in Jan 2018?

Oh..right…

337579 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1269 of 2045 🔗

Glad I’m not on Twitter really, reckon my blood pressure is high enough already

337678 ▶▶▶ robnicholson, replying to Adamb, #1270 of 2045 🔗

I’ve had a Twitter account for years but never really engaged. Only used it to be ghoulish when there was bad news breaking or a system was down. I started using it more during December but after direct attacks after what was a seeming less harmless comment, I’ve decided it’s just toxic!! So disengaging…

337706 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to robnicholson, 1, #1271 of 2045 🔗

There’s a lot of good information on Twitter. I use an anonymous handle.

I noticed very quickly that there’s a definite strategy employed by many posters. Whether this has been developed through usage or by reading a manual I don’t know but it’s very formulaic.

Usually a conversation consists of:

I say something, they say something, I say something, you’re a bore then a random meme or GIF

337593 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1272 of 2045 🔗

In a sane world she’d be in a pot somewhere being given a couple of drops of Baby Bio once a month.

337454 SimonCook, 1, #1273 of 2045 🔗

Really excellent article by Rusere Shoniwa, that some members of the board may appreciate. As someone who personally used to be very supportive of Medialens, their “heel” turn (e.g. retweeting Piers Morgan) to use WWE parlance really does stick in the craw.

The Silence of the Left — Part 1 The Left’s suspension of critical thought.

In this three-part blog, I explore the absence of critical thought and debate by the Left on the global response to Covid, using two commentators I am familiar with as examples. In part 1, I discuss the Left’s failure to critically assess whether lockdowns were the right response in light of emerging information and, in particular, Media Lens’ abandonment of their principles when lockdowns began, in a reflexive shouting down of reasonable observations by centre-right commentators.

https://no2flags.medium.com/the-silence-of-the-left-part-1-155092190435

337456 Portnadler, replying to Portnadler, 19, #1274 of 2045 🔗

Interesting snippet here from the Spectator article today by Nick Cohen

If you don’t know someone who has died, you will know someone who has been grievously ill.

I don’t even know anyone who has had covid, let alone been very ill or died from it. There must be something strange going on out there or else people just believe what they see on the BBC.

Article here:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-isn-t-the-only-one-to-blame-for-britain-s-covid-crisis

337466 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Portnadler, -21, #1275 of 2045 🔗

On the other hand I have known 3 that have died one currently in hospital and about 20 who have had positive test. Of the 2 groups of people I know with it currently both came from nurses.

337475 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to pvenkman, 4, #1276 of 2045 🔗

Names or you’re lying.

337488 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1277 of 2045 🔗

Well they can’t really do that but I would like more detail. Of or with? Comorbidities? Asymptomatic positive tests?
I know more than one person who had it, properly diagnosed in terms of symptoms and then a test. They were quite unwell but recovered.

337491 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Ossettian, 16, #1278 of 2045 🔗

He’s telling the truth bro, i personally know of 7000 people who’ve died of it and a further 100,000 who’ve tested positive.

337509 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Biker, 6, #1279 of 2045 🔗

Wow Biker!! You unashamed superspreader!

337543 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Biker, 7, #1280 of 2045 🔗

i personally know of 7000 people who’ve died of it and a further 100,000 who’ve tested positive.

You are Nicola Sturgeon and I claim my £5.

337478 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to pvenkman, 15, #1281 of 2045 🔗

Sure you do.. I know lots of people that have died. We all die. My uncle died. He was 80. Stage 4 cancer and other issues. He was dying before covid. They put him down as a covid death. Positive PCR cases are not worth a snot.

337480 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to pvenkman, 6, #1282 of 2045 🔗

Smells fishy to me. I assume you mean that around 20 people have claimed in your Facebook feed that they had a positive test. And of the 3 that have died and one in hospital, how old are they and what else are/were they in hospital for?

337653 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to pvenkman, 1, #1283 of 2045 🔗

Did the 3 all live very close to a 5G tower? How old were they? Did they have co-morbidities?

337468 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Portnadler, 6, #1284 of 2045 🔗

I know plenty who’ve become grievously ill, not from Covid though.

337479 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Portnadler, 3, #1285 of 2045 🔗

Another warmongering interventionist and establishment bootlicker like Dan Hodges. Would frankly shock me if Cohen isn’t bringing his trademark snide dishonesty to bear in support of the panickers.

337485 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Portnadler, 13, #1286 of 2045 🔗

Well, that’s interesting now because I don’t know anyone at all who has tested positive or been grievously ill. However, I live, as you know, in 55+ housing. 36 Residents. Two days before Christmas 17 had the Pfeizer Jab. Of those 17, 3 had to cancel their Christmas plans to go to their Children’s house because they had chronic diarrhea, vomitting, nausea and chest pains. 2 had to take to their beds for a couple of days feeling dizzy and sick and 5 felt unsteady on their feet over the Christmas period.

So, I know what’s the greater villain. However, as they are between the ages of 75-85yrs and 12 have other co-morbidities, I now the most lethal of the two is by far and away the vaccine.

337494 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #1287 of 2045 🔗

Interesting Jo. My mother is in similar housing, and was called for her Pfizer vaccine for an appointment the following day. She is under 80, so I was a bit surprised. In her sheltered, only one resident has had the virus in the spring (he was still working, and was a nurse). She knows everyone around where she lives (no exaggeration!) and this is the only person she knows who has tested positive.

337514 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1288 of 2045 🔗

That’s interesting because nobody here has had it or tested positive. Some pandemic eh?

337525 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jo Dominich, #1289 of 2045 🔗

You beat me to it, I must be 1 of more than 50 on here and I haven’t got it

337576 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Jo Dominich, #1290 of 2045 🔗

Mmm… that is very interesting Jo.

337643 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1291 of 2045 🔗

Please do send this account to the editorial team for posting. These effects of the vaccine must be registered and noted – though I am sure The Wancock et al will do their best ignore it.

337486 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Portnadler, 2, #1292 of 2045 🔗

Let’s put it this way. If it is the case that 1 in 50 currently has the virus, and I reckon that I know more than 50 people locally, how come I have yet to come across anyone who has had it.

337503 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #1293 of 2045 🔗

Because most people don’t even know they’ve had it I guess, or just think they’ve had a bit of a winter sniffle.

337518 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1294 of 2045 🔗

Fake stats and fake news more like.

337528 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #1295 of 2045 🔗

As you well know and almost every reader of this site knows (maybe excluding Mayo), it is because only between 1 and 10 and 1 in 30 people who are tested positive, are actually infected with SARS-COV-2. I demand to know, where has our moonshot antigen testing gone? Oh that’s right – shelved because it actually worked.

337498 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Portnadler, 2, #1296 of 2045 🔗

Depends what he means by “know”. Someone who’s a friend of a friend of your second cousin on Facebook doesn’t count. Has to be people you actually know.

337501 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to Portnadler, #1297 of 2045 🔗

I actually know about 10 people who (according to PCR test) had Covid, including myself. No one had more than cold or flu-like symptoms except for one person, who had it back in April and was given a cocktail of experimental drugs. Although he thinks it was the virus, I believe these were what caused his symptoms.

337563 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Portnadler, 3, #1298 of 2045 🔗

I don’t even know anyone locally who has bothered to get a test! I agree, something strange going on…

337464 Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 6, #1299 of 2045 🔗

As a naturally optimistic person, it vexes me that the word catastrophe has echoed in my mind since early March 2020. It’s the word the great smallpox eradicator Donald Henderson used in his 2006 prediction of the consequences of lockdown, a word that wasn’t around then. His masterful article addressed the idea of travel restrictions, forced human separation, business and school closings, mask mandates, limits on public gatherings, quarantines, and the entire litany of brutality to which we’ve been subjected for nearly a year, all summed up in the word lockdown.

https://www.aier.org/article/catastrophe-is-all-around-us/

337483 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1300 of 2045 🔗

One pratt(expert) in the DM has said that he is worried about NEXT WINTER!!!

337683 ▶▶ George L, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1301 of 2045 🔗

Tell him to go boil his head.. works wonders..

337796 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1302 of 2045 🔗

its the winter after the winter after next that gives me sleepless nights

337484 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1303 of 2045 🔗

So Whitty is explaining that we might have to bring in more restrictions next winter (might = almost certainly) and that the vaccination rollout will continue for 3-4 months, i.e. lockdown till May.

337516 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1304 of 2045 🔗

Is that 3-4 months for the entire population for just the “vulnerable”? I think they really want to go for the jugular but are simply too disorganised to pull it off.

337523 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Richard O, 2, #1305 of 2045 🔗

I take it it’s just the clinically vulnerable 13.5m.

337694 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Richard O, 3, #1306 of 2045 🔗

According to the vaccination predictor site I should have both of my vaccinations between March and May (I am a healthcare worker and diabetic). My wife will have to wait until September. My children will have to wait until March-May 2022. Of course that presumes that it isn’t an annual event, in which case my children will have to wait until the 12th of Never.

337490 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #1307 of 2045 🔗

One of those who submitted a letter told the Financial Times: “I’m completely fed up. He just can’t lead and this can’t go on.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1379901/boris-johnson-lockdown-latest-coronavirus-tory-mp-no-confidence-vote

337504 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to chaos, 8, #1308 of 2045 🔗

Only two letters of no confidence, poor showing. Bet one of those is Swayne.

337508 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1309 of 2045 🔗

I will be composing a strong email to Peter Bone tonight.

337562 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1310 of 2045 🔗

Others will have gone in. Just two have gone public. Going public encourages others. The ball is now rolling.

337612 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to chaos, 5, #1311 of 2045 🔗

e-mailed brady/walker/baker/harper/swayne tonight – simple message – enough is enough, stop the madness, remove the decision makers from power

337493 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1312 of 2045 🔗

Chris Whitty:

Asked about the risk of mutations to the virus if patients are only given the first dose of a vaccine, Prof Chris Whitty says that by only giving one jab, the vaccine will reach more people “so as long as it provides 50% protection you will have won”.
He adds that scientists believe it will grant more protection than that.
He adds there is a risk of an “escaped mutant” – “that is a real worry but quite a small real worry”.
——————————————————————-
“Will have won” – what’s the prize? A night out with Tony Blair?
Escaped mutant – real worry but small worry – Sounds double Dutch to me.

337502 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to godowneasy, 9, #1313 of 2045 🔗

Nope. That’s called a seed. That’ll be their next play, and at the rate they are going, it will be only a matter of days…

337522 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #1314 of 2045 🔗

The “escaped mutant” narrative means they can lockdown whenever they like.

337510 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1315 of 2045 🔗

Such a small really worry those ninja mutants, they lead to lockdowns. But, we have the answer to that – more vaccines. What’s not to like – kerching!

337529 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1316 of 2045 🔗

Except they’re not true mutants, they’re variants. A true mutant would be one that, for example, is actually missing the gene for the spike protein. Where one (or more amino acids in the gene are changed they should be more accurately described as variants. Happy to be wrong but that’s my understanding.

DavidC

337545 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to DavidC, 3, #1317 of 2045 🔗

I believe you are correct – but mutant sounds more scary than variant.

337554 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to godowneasy, #1318 of 2045 🔗

Indeed!

DavidC

337573 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1319 of 2045 🔗

In French mutant and mouton are punned.

337551 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to DavidC, 1, #1320 of 2045 🔗
337586 ▶▶ iansn, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1321 of 2045 🔗
337631 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to iansn, #1322 of 2045 🔗

I once knew an elderly red setter who carried a bit of filthy rag about with him everywhere, all the time.

337616 ▶▶ Basics, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1323 of 2045 🔗

Flippant bastard language from a cunt. His mind is revealed in comments like that. Bimbling lanky spinster academic type used to hide his gross greed and disregard for others, the ego on him to waft his vague words at that question in such a way. Right okay chris you fud so what were you dicking about with two doses for? Twice the pay day is it?

337675 ▶▶ George L, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1324 of 2045 🔗

Yeah.. and we all know who the escaped mutant is, or should I say mutants..

337499 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #1325 of 2045 🔗

Are zippy, George and bungle on now?

337541 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to stefarm, 5, #1326 of 2045 🔗

The Rainbow gang were far more intelligent than Pip,Squeak and Wilfred.

337500 danny, replying to danny, 19, #1327 of 2045 🔗

Hold on, 1 in 50 “with” the virus. Most hospitals below usual capacity. Even leaving aside the fact that you technically die from covid if positive then hit by a bus, and that being tested at hospital by the very fact of being in hospital probably means you are very ill from something in the first place, then having an average of 400 deaths per day, when 1 in 50 in a nation of 65 million people supposedly have it…..
HERD IMMUNITY. MOVE ON.

337507 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to danny, 10, #1328 of 2045 🔗

Danny, you are forgetting the fundamental point here – it’s all about the vaccine!

337526 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 9, #1329 of 2045 🔗

Yes, and whether it is safe or effective, or however many does of whatever vaccine you are given, is utterly immaterial. All that matters is that you are jabbed at least once, then your body is the property of the state and big pharma for the rest of your miserable life.

337534 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to danny, #1330 of 2045 🔗

YES,YES,YES.

337596 ▶▶ Alice, replying to danny, 3, #1331 of 2045 🔗

Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking – we are all “cases” now = herd immunity.

337506 Jo, replying to Jo, 8, #1332 of 2045 🔗

The bit about the changing of the opening prayer to the 117th Congress reminds me of a few years ago when, during Savillegate, someone had vandalised the brass plate bearing the legend “Paediatrician” because they didn’t understand what the word meant.

337532 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Jo, 1, #1333 of 2045 🔗

Say no more.

337539 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jo, 3, #1334 of 2045 🔗

I think it was teenagers with a sense of humour, albeit a rather anti-social one.

337627 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo, 1, #1335 of 2045 🔗

A few years ago, a paediatrician was attacked by a mob who thought she was a paedophile.
Fact.

337779 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Annie, #1336 of 2045 🔗

I was going to mention that one, but I wasn’t sure if was just an urban myth. Anyway I’ll believe you!

337511 Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 17, #1337 of 2045 🔗

Here it is… S- is the new variant, S+ is the old variant. As you can see, it is only marginally more infectious than the older variant in kids. It is marginally more infectious in their parents….. Seeing as it was Imperial that said it was 60% more ‘transmissible’ was utter moonshine.

From our friends at Imperial no less:
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337520 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 2, #1338 of 2045 🔗

Nice one Sarigan, well spotted.

DavidC

337533 ▶▶ robnicholson, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), #1339 of 2045 🔗

Is this of all cases to date?

337565 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to robnicholson, 3, #1340 of 2045 🔗

I believe so. It is from a data analyst who is very clued up.

337605 ▶▶▶▶ robnicholson, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 1, #1341 of 2045 🔗

Immediate question from friends who seem to want to find negatives is “How is it changing?”. Grudgingly a reasonable question 🙂 Is the raw data available to see the trend? If one back tracked a month, the S- column would clearly be lower

Transmissibility doesn’t relate to age distribution does it though?

337650 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to OKUK, #1343 of 2045 🔗

No, I noticed that too…

337698 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), replying to OKUK, #1344 of 2045 🔗

I will try and find out more and ask for the raw data

337548 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 6, #1345 of 2045 🔗

What is Imperial’s forecast of enhanced transmissibility? Last week it was down to 48% in an Imperial pre-print paper, having been 56% the week before (London School of Tropical Diseases pre-print paper), and 70% when it started life (NERVTAG pretext for cancelling Christmas)

337745 ▶▶ MadJock1, replying to Sarigan (Day 287 of lockdown), 3, #1346 of 2045 🔗

Jesus H Christ !!!! The fucking error bars overlap on all columns bar two (and they are very close to overlapping). There is no statistical difference within the accuracy of the data. There is NO measurable difference given the possible error in data. This is the most basic science. It makes me want to weep! When I was at uni I used to get my first year Physics lab reports back as resubmit if I came out with this sort of cobblers to try and prove anything. The comment was typically – “your conclusions are invalid as the observed variation is within the defined experimental error limits – consider the length of your error bars”

337515 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 17, #1347 of 2045 🔗

Just got back from work.
Drove alongside m62 by Huddersfield for about 2 miles.
Lots of traffic both commercial and commuter. Not as much as usual but definitely nothing like lockdown 1.

337536 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Jonny S., 12, #1348 of 2045 🔗

Didn’t notice any difference trains/tubes round London today either.

337530 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 27, #1349 of 2045 🔗

BBC live feed:

In the longer term, the chief medical officer says we all hope the vaccination programme will mean we don’t need restrictions in the future.

But he warns the virus “is not going to go away”, saying we “shouldn’t kid ourselves that this just disappears with spring” – although the risks will go down.

Hopefully we’ll have spring, summer, autumn, possibly winter as well, with almost nothing in place, once the full vaccination programme is through. But we just need to be aware of the fact this is not a problem that just disappears.

He’s describing a normal flu season! FFS!

337542 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1350 of 2045 🔗

So Whitty knows his stuff about the seasons doesn’t he? – which year is he talking about though?

337575 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1351 of 2045 🔗

Hes not a doctor he’s a scientist, he is setting the frame for funding for his mates, thats all this ia about. Why the fuck are they talking about next winter, they dont know what the are doing 6 days ahead. Hypothetical dick heads. And that twat Ferguson was on BBC before the briefing.

337580 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1352 of 2045 🔗

“Hope”

337531 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 21, #1353 of 2045 🔗

How has nearly 10 months of this colossal fraud played out without a single country in the world being razed to the ground by its furious citizens?

How have they managed to keep billions of us under control for so long?

337540 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Scotty87, 17, #1354 of 2045 🔗

irrational fear

337558 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Scotty87, 5, #1355 of 2045 🔗

Latin America, Africa and the Middle East have been the biggest surprises for me. Europe, North America, Asia and Oceania are by and large very obedient.

337581 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Richard O, 6, #1356 of 2045 🔗

I think certain countries have an undue respect for other nations. It may be tgat people are looking to western Europe and thinking this is how we have to be. Mexican standoff where no one acts because all looking at each other.

337566 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Scotty87, 13, #1357 of 2045 🔗

One word : Fear.

It’s an incredibly powerful motivation.

337577 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Scotty87, 4, #1358 of 2045 🔗

With Bulls××t.

337666 ▶▶ George L, replying to Scotty87, 1, #1359 of 2045 🔗

High percentage of ninnies..

337733 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Scotty87, #1360 of 2045 🔗

Laziness.

337894 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Scotty87, 1, #1361 of 2045 🔗

I’d have thought the French and maybe USA would’ve kicked off a bit by now.

337538 TheClone, 1, #1362 of 2045 🔗

The invisible shield is coming! Hahahaha

337544 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 9, #1363 of 2045 🔗

The future is here!

337628 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to TheClone, 8, #1364 of 2045 🔗

If I had to predict the future, I’d say some version of that is likely to continue far into the future. We’ll get a reprieve during the warmer months and then the fear mongering will start up again in the fall — whether it be over Covid or the regular old flu. Will we go from lockdown to lockdown? Perhaps not, but I believe the “safety” measures are here to stay since it is now unacceptable for anyone’s immune system to have to function as nature intended. We must never get sick and nobody is allowed to die, unless it’s from something non-infectious in nature.

337664 ▶▶ George L, replying to TheClone, 1, #1365 of 2045 🔗

The much vaunted Circular Economy..

337555 Fingerache Philip, 7, #1366 of 2045 🔗

Is it the government’s target to reach 4,000 deaths per day so that Funguson can say “I TOLD YOU SO”.?

337559 eptwll, replying to eptwll, 23, #1367 of 2045 🔗

I’ve been massively depressed with the new lockdown in Ireland, but a friend of mine who bought the whole corona!panic from the start let me come visit her today. Technically, it was illegal, but she never let me visit in the other hard lockdowns. As a consequence, my depression was lightened somewhat that even the most strident of pro-lockdowners is fed up with this farce.

337598 ▶▶ Biker, replying to eptwll, 20, #1368 of 2045 🔗

Don’t be depressed bro, use your brain to be happy. I’ve ignored the whole thing and never been depressed about it. Sure i’ve been a bit frustrated at the lack of gigs and no motocross racing but fuck it i will survive, so will you and i think it’ll be over soon anyway.

337640 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Biker, 9, #1369 of 2045 🔗

I’m with you on that, Biker. Be angry, but hold to the positives. Leave misery to the zombies, who love it.
PS. I am still not-praying for you.

337561 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 23, #1370 of 2045 🔗

More from the BBC live feed: In their summary…

The prime minister said there would be daily updates on vaccinations from Monday to ensure “maximum transparency”

I’ll bet anything you want, that that “maximum transparency” won’t extend to telling us how many people have serious side effects from it, or die from it.

337572 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 11, #1371 of 2045 🔗

Total vaccinated and number of adverse reactions are the only figures that matter. Of course, there will be no adverse reactions in the official statistics. The vaccine is 100% super-smashing-great don’t you know.

337785 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Richard O, 3, #1372 of 2045 🔗

So far all the deaths after Covid vaccine have been coincidences!!!
What a surprise!

337574 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1373 of 2045 🔗

They don’t want to let it die down, desperation is setting in

337602 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to DavidC, 2, #1375 of 2045 🔗

Alex Berenson is excellent, a proper investigative journalist. Thanks for the link.

337610 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to DavidC, 5, #1376 of 2045 🔗

And let’s not forget the participants in the clinical “trials” were younger and far healthier than average.

337660 ▶▶ George L, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1377 of 2045 🔗

Or what shit is in the damn syringe..

337735 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1378 of 2045 🔗

Or how many medics have refused it….

Or how much more effective a cheap prevention and treatment programme of Vit D, a Ivermectin and free Weight Watchers membership for the obese.,

337568 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1379 of 2045 🔗

Boris Johnson announces that, with schools closed, the BBC “is coming forward with a big programme of education for 3 hours a day”

This ties in neatly with the movement away from ending the license fee a few weeks back boris announced. How l9ng has the 3 hours a day brain washing been planned?

For homes without tv licenses what happens to the childs ability to recoeve bricks in the wall?

337582 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Basics, 13, #1380 of 2045 🔗

To be fair to the BBC i’ve learned a lot from watching the Teletubbies and when i was a kid i used to imagine Rod, Jane and Freddy banging away in the shed.

337603 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Biker, 4, #1381 of 2045 🔗

when i was a kid i used to imagine Rod, Jane and Freddy banging away in the shed.

Thought that was just me, B. 😉

337623 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1382 of 2045 🔗

You don’t want to know what i thought the Wombles were getting up to.

337712 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Biker, 1, #1383 of 2045 🔗

Dogging on the common?

337756 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to stefarm, 1, #1384 of 2045 🔗

Apparently that’s where the term Cockwomble comes from.

337867 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to stefarm, 1, #1385 of 2045 🔗

I thought it was odd the way they all went litter picking at dead of night! I think I was dead on the money regarding Andy Pandy. Even at age 5 he struck me as highly suspicious. Andy Pandy? More like Annie Pandy!

337588 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Basics, 8, #1386 of 2045 🔗

I’m guessing it’ll be 3 hours a day of DIE (diversity, inclusion, equity) training.

337607 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1387 of 2045 🔗

Now Rod is now Jane, Jane is now Freddy and Freddy is a cross dresser and not sure if he’s a boy or a lady

337619 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Basics, 9, #1388 of 2045 🔗

Yes, 3 hours per day of educational TV would surely take weeks or months of planning? How come the BBC just happens to have it all set up and ready to go?

337635 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ken Gardner, 5, #1389 of 2045 🔗

It’s the BBBC. 6uild 6ack 6etter Corporation.

337651 ▶▶ mj, replying to Basics, 5, #1390 of 2045 🔗

if it is anything like its current “educational” output it will just be more climate change/ woke / lgbt gender fluid / anti british shite .

337569 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #1391 of 2045 🔗

My brother in law and his partner had Covid last year and he has put on Facebook a pro lockdown statement: “I wouldn’t wish it on anybody and it took me ages to recover”.
The thing is is that myself and my wife had the flu two years ago and we were far worse than he and his partner were but we didn’t think for one moment that we were GOING TO DIE!!

337594 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Fingerache Philip, 14, #1392 of 2045 🔗

Absolutely, proper flu is horrendous, the majority of these people moaning about their covid “experiences” are just pathetic

337622 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Adamb, 8, #1393 of 2045 🔗

Like ‘flu, it can manifest itself as a pretty awful disease.

But anyone who has had a bad bout of ‘flu is under no illusion of what those viruses can do.

337637 ▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to RickH, 4, #1394 of 2045 🔗

Agreed Rick, which is why I said the ‘majority’. I wouldn’t claim it is of no serious consequence whatsoever, just that the risk is massively overstated.

337630 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1395 of 2045 🔗

Which is why I don’t use Facebook.

337656 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Richard O, #1396 of 2045 🔗

Snap, my wife (his sister) told me about it.

337633 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1397 of 2045 🔗

A meaningless sentiment.

I wouldn’t wish death on most people but it still happens.

337570 Biker, replying to Biker, 14, #1398 of 2045 🔗

Well well well

337587 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Biker, 5, #1399 of 2045 🔗

Tbf he went infornt of a government review in Canada and said that. Audio on here a while ago

337615 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Biker, 6, #1400 of 2045 🔗

Here’s the guy in action a couple of months ago. It’s a short piece towards the end of a 9 hour public meeting, but the link should go to the beginning of his piece. Quite a straight talker!

https://youtu.be/K1W0FHuR-Rc?t=30355

337617 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Biker, 3, #1401 of 2045 🔗

He’s got a 4 part write up on here somewhere, there’s so much stuff now i cant find it

337648 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Biker, #1402 of 2045 🔗

Who will listen, I wonder?

337972 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, #1403 of 2045 🔗

G. Edward Griffin has been looking into this stuff for decades.

337571 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 15, #1404 of 2045 🔗

On his dodgy models, Ferguson murdered masses of healthy animals and ruined farming, its worrying the longer this goes on with him still on the loose.

337589 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1405 of 2045 🔗

Perhaps that was an earlier (failed) attempt at making us all go vegan.

337966 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, #1406 of 2045 🔗

No. It was to let Big Ag take over small farms and the seed companies to gain monopoly over the livestock feed, thus also benefiting the GMO companies and Big Pharma in the process.

337611 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1407 of 2045 🔗

Thousands of humans have already been murdered based on his dodgy models, with many more thousands to come. This fucker should be on trial in The Hague.

337652 ▶▶ George L, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1408 of 2045 🔗

The man is most definitely a plant Dan, a useful idiot to be used, a patsy. There’s no way on earth that this drip would ever stay in place if his tenure was decided on merit. The harm this one individual has caused is beyond belief.

337578 Paul, replying to Paul, 14, #1409 of 2045 🔗

The more I see the more obvious it is that those with truly evil intent are making the most of this nightmare.
On tv just now an advert for Age Concern or something like that,oh,I thought it’ll be about helping the elderly through this shitshow,not a chance,basically they will help an elderly person write their Will free of charge and they just hope that the person will consider leaving something to Age Concern to help other elderly people,to my very cynical mind that sounds like coercing vulnerable persons to give the charity money.

337592 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Paul, 8, #1410 of 2045 🔗

Those ads have been around for a while, Paul, but that doesn’t make your point any less valid. It is totally evil.

I just read the press conference summary as I couldn’t watch it all without getting angry. I am stunned at the number of caveats the three of them have thrown in to ensure this continues. Whitty even threw in the possibility of an “escaped mutant”. FFS!

337621 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Paul, 8, #1411 of 2045 🔗

Hideous. As early as April, elderly patients needing to be admitted to hospital were being pressurised to sign DNR forms. Just sickening.

337645 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Paul, 10, #1412 of 2045 🔗

Age Concern have never, to my knowledge, produced even a squeak of protest about the brutal torture of old people isolated in ‘care’ homes. They make me utterly sick.

337585 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 24, #1413 of 2045 🔗

To think you can defeat an airborne virus is delusional arrogance.
Governments of the world, take note!

337629 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #1414 of 2045 🔗

As is Devi Shridar’s preposterous notion that we can get down to zero coronavirus – a virus family that has probably been around longer than we have and in our history only one virus has ever been taken out of human disease, namely smallpox. And even that still exists in labs.

DavidC

337641 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to DavidC, 13, #1415 of 2045 🔗

The only reason these prats want to go for zero covid is because they know its not possible, therefore the pursuit of zero can carry on indefinitely..

337590 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 15, #1416 of 2045 🔗

Look at the flack that the National Education Union get on this (self aggrandisement) thread:

https://twitter.com/NEUnion/status/1346219814675767298

“Thank you @aiimzz95 . Members like you are the union. Together we made our voice heard. We are the voice of education. #MakeSchoolsSafe”

which is in response to:

So proud to work as a rep for @NEUnion i have felt heard, supported and cared for by the union. LOOK at the change we have made #NEU

No thought at all of all the childrens’ lives messed up by the insane decision to shut schools.

337636 ▶▶ rockontommy, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1417 of 2045 🔗

Scum

337662 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ozzie, 5, #1418 of 2045 🔗

The caretakers of what will be the most fucked up generation of all time.

Great work guys, Magnums of Champagne all around I think. You deserve it.

337824 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1419 of 2045 🔗

Lots of sick making sanctimonious comments from NEU members along the lines of “Look at us, we’re so brave”.

337591 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 38, #1420 of 2045 🔗

Wife has BBC on. Ferguson on again saying lockdowns work. The first one worked because the cases and deaths came down. And he published a paper saying look my model was great.

What utter horseshit. Sweden saw a similar fall that was supposed to have 80,000 odd dead.

But also if we are to follow this logic, we didnt have track and trace, masks or mass testing and that lockdown “worked”.

So why change what worked?

Because you are a bullshitter.

Okay how can I get a court case against Ferguson for scientific ethical violations? He should not be on TV spouting his crap without massive caveats. It is dangerous misinformation.

337624 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to mhcp, 7, #1421 of 2045 🔗

He gets away with murder literally, and he was ‘allegedly’ sacked, wonder what he’s got on all of them

337924 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, #1422 of 2045 🔗

He’s their poison-filled cauldron.

337625 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to mhcp, 5, #1423 of 2045 🔗

Everywhere saw a similar fall regardless of measures. Lockdowns may have had some effect on the speed of change but it wasn’t the overriding factor.

337634 ▶▶ rockontommy, replying to mhcp, 7, #1424 of 2045 🔗

He’s like a deep south preacher. Complete charlatan.

337661 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to mhcp, 10, #1425 of 2045 🔗

Furguson has got to go. He is inextricably linked with the vaccine industry through his role in the Secretariat of GAVI. His totally exaggerated predictions have had only one purpose. To force the government into a corner. If they did nothing the country would destroy them due standing by while people died, (although a lot less thanwoujd be reported. There only other option, spend billions lining the pockets of his employers, no doubt with a huge bonus for himself.

337676 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #1426 of 2045 🔗

If he’s half as compromised as you claim, Bojo could destroy him in one afternoon whenever he chose.

Let’s move on from this fantasy that the regime is somehow over somebody else’s barrel. The regime is tight, united, and acting of its own volition.

337705 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to mhcp, 9, #1427 of 2045 🔗

How about we club together and hire a contract killer to get rid of the bloody lot of them?

337962 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HelzBelz, #1428 of 2045 🔗

Do they do BOGOFs?

337597 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 18, #1429 of 2045 🔗

Really struggling to keep up today – nothing makes any sense any more. This flipped me – Ireland:

Martin insists ‘schools are safe’ but Govt set to extend closures Taoiseach Micheál Martin has confirmed the Government is “looking at school closures being extended to the end of the month”.
—————————————————————————————-
So they are safe and unsafe at the same time – are we now fully in the double speak era?

337620 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1430 of 2045 🔗

I think they have to hammer home the message that schools are safe in order to push back against the unions. Otherwise schools will never be able to open.

It’s a problem of their own making mind.

337599 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 30, #1431 of 2045 🔗

Wanker:

337604 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to common conservative, 7, #1432 of 2045 🔗

Is that a Nazi salute, tyrant?

337600 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1433 of 2045 🔗

The BBC will now be acting in loco parentis. Brilliant!

337922 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 1, #1434 of 2045 🔗

Loco, certainly.

337601 dommo, replying to dommo, 8, #1435 of 2045 🔗

TAKE HART!!!

https://twitter.com/harteam_org

looks interesting…

337626 ▶▶ watashi, replying to dommo, 2, #1436 of 2045 🔗

great!

337716 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to dommo, 1, #1437 of 2045 🔗

Prof Ellen Townsend has just tweeted about this. I wonder if this is the group Emma Kenny was referring to?

337729 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1438 of 2045 🔗

It must be

HART is a British group of evidenced-based doctors, life scientists, psychiatrists and economists seeking to provide parliament a holistic second opinion on its coronavirus policy set as influenced by SAGE.

https://harteam.org/

There’s not much detail on the website but there’s a countdown running (9 days) to their launch presumably

338296 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Julian, #1439 of 2045 🔗

Please let this be a movement of uk medics.

337614 bucky99, replying to bucky99, 17, #1440 of 2045 🔗

Witless: “Measures will probably need to be put in place again next winter”

Imagine my surprise…

337618 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to bucky99, 6, #1441 of 2045 🔗

Can’t if he’s long gone

337639 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to bucky99, 6, #1442 of 2045 🔗

18 month contracts for those running these new testing result sheds.

337649 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to bucky99, 9, #1443 of 2045 🔗

That’s going to reassure all the elderly people who’ve pinned all their hope on the vaccine.

337673 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to bucky99, 3, #1444 of 2045 🔗

And no guarantee the schools will open before the summer holidays 🤦‍♂️