Last updated2021-01-06T18:13:25



338334 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #1 of 2035 🔗

BORIS JOHNSON is expected to secure an overwhelming majority for his new lockdown after shrinking numbers of Tory rebels.

338338 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to chaos, 42, #2 of 2035 🔗

Yes, I thought as much. Blighters panicked by the usual increased mortality in January. Looks like freedom will in future be a rarity if it exists at all

338389 ▶▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to Hugh, 85, #3 of 2035 🔗

I actually sympathise with Tory rebels.

Anyone who votes against will be vilified, potentially suffer threats and be seen as a rebel by the Tory party. At the same time, the measures will still pass. It’s a very risky stance from a personal perspective and it achieves very little. On the other hand, voting with the government is risk free.

We all like to think we would have the courage of Sophie Scholl – she and her brother were executed for distributing anti Nazi leaflets in 1943. Nobody came to her aid though. Of course, now she is treated as a heroine and everyone revers her. But what would any of us have done at the time? Most of would be Pontus Pilate.

Hard to go against the flow in evil times like these. And I do believe these are evil times. A scared and fearful population, whipped up into a warlike emotional state by government is usually associated with the most evil episodes of our past. This is a worrying moment in history for people who have a sense of perspective.

338402 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Stephensceptic, 15, #4 of 2035 🔗

Students at Munich University applauded when informed of their executions. University students under Weimar had included a fairly large far right contingent, although the Nazi student organisation only grew towards the end of Weimar, and after the Nazis came to power many students enthusiastically took part in book-burning. The “trendy leftie” student of the 1960s type was rare in Weimar Germany and the rare student left-winger was often also from a Jewish background, which contributed to the Communist = Jew trope.
In power the Third Reich was quite anti-intellectual – some Nazi leaders like Streicher or Ley would come to universities and tell students that their professors were basically garbage.

338403 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Stephensceptic, 95, #5 of 2035 🔗

MPs standing up for what is right will not be executed, at worst they might lose their job, just like thousands of their constituents already have. If they are unable to stand up for what is right just when we need it most, when are liberties are threatened more than any other time in modern history they don’t deserve the job. I have no sympathy at all.

338442 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 41, #6 of 2035 🔗

Totally agree

Job description for those seeking high office isn’t to have an easy life and take the path of least resistance

338541 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 3, #7 of 2035 🔗

Nolan Principles state this quite clearly. Worth emailing them to your MP

340450 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #8 of 2035 🔗


338443 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Achilles, 8, #9 of 2035 🔗

They might pass up their chance of a ministerial post and the perks, which is a fate worse than death for some of them.

338538 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Stephensceptic, 34, #10 of 2035 🔗

There are sensible people who are anti-lockdown who are changing the way they are expressing themselves. You can see it on Twitter. They are scared of repercussions now.

That said, I think firmly expressing oneself publicly, as a total sceptic (or the opposite as much of our government has done), means you cannot easily change yourself in the minds of others.

And I do agree we are in a time of evil. This is overt evil. It was always there bubbling under and now it is there, in our Western, so called, democracy. Perhaps what we had wasn’t real after all…

339176 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Country Mumkin, 15, #11 of 2035 🔗

I think on both sides of the Atlantic we have seen in 2020 a revolt of the powerful against democracy. Covid is a big part of that.

338559 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Stephensceptic, 68, #12 of 2035 🔗

I call BS on this ..They are not a teenage girl handing out leaflets in a country that has been under the Nazis for 10 years at that time and where the gestapo and the SS were operating with impunity. These are man and women who have been elected to a public office by the people and who’s interest they swore to represent. Members s of Fucking parliament not a local council, the highest (used to be) democratic body in the land. There is absolutely no chance that they will be arrested , beaten up and shot behind the shed if the rebel. NONE, ZERO. SO you even comparing the two is fucking insult.! It is their duty to stand up to stand up to the party if the actions harm their electorate. That is if they had a fucking spine , or at last half a spine. But they are all cowards and scumm, the lot of them. Fuck them, I’m never wotting for any of the 2 parties again!

339342 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #13 of 2035 🔗

Never voting again for either party is the least of our worries for the moment..

340140 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #14 of 2035 🔗

Perhaps we’ll never be voting again.

338839 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Stephensceptic, 24, #15 of 2035 🔗

So you are saying that sceptical Tory MPs should vote with the government and ignore their conscience. We should by now be all aware that going against the the government’s Covid nonsensical mantra won’t be easy, but I hope that we would do it all the same. There never is a valid excuse for doing the wrong thing.

We are now living in a country where freedom is vanishing at an alarming rate. At best we are only months away from having a government every bit as evil, as the one in Nazi Germany. Accordingly we will all get a chance to show our own mettle when the military come knocking on the the doors of those who have declined to be injected with the Gates terminator vaccines.

339063 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rowan, 27, #16 of 2035 🔗


339360 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mike, replying to JohnB, 5, #17 of 2035 🔗

Unfortunately sceptics are being seen as the Nazi’s. Up is down, left is right etc. its all backwards!

339154 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Stephensceptic, 14, #18 of 2035 🔗

If you know you are coward unfit to a position of leadership and responsibility, don’t seek election to Parliament. I have no sympathy. These people have a duty that they are failing to perform. They are not even asking basic questions.

340141 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ovis, #19 of 2035 🔗

They’re happy enough to take their inflated wages though, aren’t they?

339888 ▶▶▶▶ james007, replying to Stephensceptic, 7, #20 of 2035 🔗

I disagree. For an MP challenging the government, raising questions and objections is actually part of their job.
They will not be executed or imprisoned, the absolute worst that could happen is for the whip to be withdrawn from them. MPs are paid to stand up for their constituents. If they just want to go with the herd and have an easy life, they are in the wrong job!

Sir Charles walker for example, did not face imprisonment for his fantastic speech today, he just needed moral courage. That is all we ask.


340138 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Stephensceptic, 1, #21 of 2035 🔗

Well – tough. If you can’t stand the heat you should stay out of the kitchen. They’re happy enough to take their inflated wage packets, aren’t they?

340361 ▶▶▶ leicestersq, replying to Hugh, #22 of 2035 🔗

Does anyone have an analysis of the reasons behind these ‘excess’ deaths. We know that lockdowns kill, and some of the excess deaths are going to be due to missed treatments etc.

The biggest problem with all of this though is that they give us an aggregated figure, but I bet that if you looked at the individual cases that made up that big figure you would find some very dodgy decision making as to how to categorise a death.

338384 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to chaos, 40, #23 of 2035 🔗

someone should force them all to look at that data in the Clare Craig article. It’s very compelling.
I had actually expected to see some minor signs of COVID, some excess deaths or infection maybe….less than the panic merits, but a little something… but a BIG FAT NOTHING? Pffffffft

HOW can they ignore this?!

338544 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to sophie123, 19, #24 of 2035 🔗

They know who to ignore now. Sceptics are packaged into a nice little box and set out to sea. This is pack mentality

338577 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #25 of 2035 🔗

Exactly. So we have to be sceptical in another way. It doesn’t stop the critical thinking or action we take, it just doesn’t look the same.

338716 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 23, #26 of 2035 🔗

Could it have ever been “us vs them” or “good vs evil” … ? I’m not sure it was ever going to be that simple.

Those with dominant controlling tendencies don’t “see the light”… we need to be creating counter lives, and also working out what can be done from the “inside” [of whatever the globalists are creating] in whatever way we can.

Adjust. Agile. Accept.

Accept that there is now no old normal and that it looks like we have to adapt.

But not adapt to the shit we don’t want, the masks, the restrictions, the submissive life they want us to lead.

Sorry if this sounds defeatist to some or difficult for others. We are very good at telling people to wake up and smell the coffee. We possibly need to smell it a bit too and work out other ways and means to help bring goodness to life, even if it doesn’t look like it didn’t before.

Sent with deepest love

CM x x

338825 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 10, #27 of 2035 🔗

I want to add to my post that I do believe anyone that wants to fight and demonstrate and write to MPs should do that. If that’s what works for you, every action matters. I’m purely talking about widening how we work. And perhaps recognising that change is on the way whether we like it or not. How can we work with that change? How can we adapt that change?

CM x

338900 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Country Mumkin, 13, #28 of 2035 🔗

I think this is a very valid thing to say. Global Corona Bollocks is running to a script. Protest is figured in to it. It legitimises the scam. By protesting we are acknowledging “IT” as a thing.
Lockdown Sceps, Anti-this that and the other people and groups are as much part of the stage play as anything else in the Covid Kabuki.

You are right, the old normal is not coming back. In some way ways, good because it was pretty crap however what I see replacing it is looking 1000 times worse.

The only way that I see things going is that we old normal-ers will need to form new groups and new ways of living to opt out of the new world order.

We also really need to figure out how to USE THEIR NEW SYSTEM for our own benefit.

Let’s face it, it is the stupidest most badly thought out idiotic clumsy pile of bollocks fuelled on unicorn piss so it must be easy to abuse for our own gain.

Mark Windows talks a lot about this theme and to be honest I don’t quite see how we should proceed or how this approach is going to look like in reality but its an interesting angle to take. He has really really thought about it. Parallel societies.

339152 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Two-Six, 6, #29 of 2035 🔗

I love your words about being stupidly thought out, based on unicorn piss. Made me laugh so much.

We are definitely part of the narrative and the theatre. We are energising it and marginalising ourselves and our opportunities for change. [Eckart Tolle is very good in this philosophy of mind BTW]. Against that backdrop, Desmond Swayne is a very brave man but he will be marked down as a fruit loop eventually.

Steve Baker has disappointed everyone. BUT, at least if Steve Baker is potentially “underground”, then he can work from within as best he can. I even have a slight hope (but this may be totally misplaced) that Boris is hinting at us. “People are too frightened of the virus” “freedom is in our hands”.

Totally agree we need to work out how to live. Could be parallel societies (James Corbett also good for this: the agora) and working from within somehow and continuing to help people question what’s happening.

As an aside; Conversations with three people today whilst walking I talked only about “Covid wards” made them stop and think…. [hospitals split between Covid and non Covid; the Covid wards being for patients who have tested positive and largely in for other ailments]. Conversations always start with me saying “it’s all very scary isn’t it” then I can gauge to what level people are thinking and feeling about what’s happening.


Love and peace
X x

339249 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Two-Six, 5, #30 of 2035 🔗

Your penultimate paragraph is splendid.

Yes, we need to use their tools against them. I’m not sure how but will think on it. And look into Mark Windows.

339354 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Two-Six, 4, #31 of 2035 🔗

I listen to Mark Windows every night at bedtime. Each one of us should think hard about how to defuse this stupidity. We are being pushed around my mediocre people. We should let them know that we do not admire or respect their intelligence.

339269 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Country Mumkin, 13, #32 of 2035 🔗

I will never accept anything other than Normal (what some refer to as “Old Normal”). Just sent a Council workman packing just now – as he walked into my garden to talk about some overdue rubbish collection (which had subsequently been collected). I have no idea why he seemed to be hanging around after I’d told him that they had come along belatedly and taken it. But he kept hanging around – talking for no reason about an episode that’s now “past history – resolved” and I told him I don’t accept anyone on my property wearing a mask if I can help it. He didn’t either go away or take his mask off – so I ordered him out of my garden and said that I will not accept any of that stuff in my own home.

339355 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to ElizaP, 1, #33 of 2035 🔗

Get a big dog.

339345 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #34 of 2035 🔗

We want Life for everybody to look better than it did before.

338537 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to chaos, 61, #35 of 2035 🔗

I rather suspect Swayne has a good dialogue open with a very astute professor who is telling him to hold firm. He hasn’t wavered and is getting increasingly irate at the lack of intelligence he sees on the benches. I doubt he spends his hours pouring over the graphs but has enough to listen to the right noises. I would love to know who is in conversation with him, giving him the good sceptic dataset.

That said it’s pretty easy to find holes, but he isn’t giving any ground at all. While others are faltering.

He’s to be respected. Full of integrity.

338553 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #36 of 2035 🔗

this new variant is driving the narrative but the same kind of figures are occurring in Israel. There’s very little evidence this is due to the new variant.

340464 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #37 of 2035 🔗

I suspect his constituents are telling him what is what.

338647 ▶▶ Snarly, replying to chaos, 2, #38 of 2035 🔗

Yup, our guy Huw Merriman has gone that way after a little chat with Hancock. I had wondered if he was a one-off but apparently not.

338770 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Snarly, 13, #39 of 2035 🔗

Israel is the country to watch.They should have been given the two doses now to many vulnerable people. So far increasing cases and deaths.Very interesting next three weeks for their figures.

339398 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to chaos, #40 of 2035 🔗

The Incredibly Shrinking Tory Rebels.

338335 Judy Watson, 2, #41 of 2035 🔗

Morning all.

338336 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 51, #42 of 2035 🔗

So what are they doing? Vaccine to stop covid 19, rather than natural immunity, it mutates to get round vaccine, we end up with a new form next winter, have to lock down again, have to get another vaccine – will we ever get out of this?

Very good for pharmaceutical companies though. We really are going to have to fight this
They get their proxies in politics to ban harmless food (apricot kernels) because they eat into their profits from their expensive cancer drugs “cures” (and yet cancer continues to increase) – I tell you, it’s all nuts!

338344 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Hugh, 7, #43 of 2035 🔗

How can even pharmaceutical companies make money if the economy resembles a graveyard?

338345 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #44 of 2035 🔗

Oh there was an answer to that, I forget it now. Some way of kicking the can down the road a few more years. My suspicion is that the global economy is going to be pretty much devastated in the next year or two, but I dare say they can find someone to tell them something different, and I wouldn’t put it past them to believe it. In any case, there’s always people who do well out of a crisis, and I suppose they think that there’ll be enough money left for them to do well.

Any economists on here care to give a proper answer?

338370 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Hugh, 6, #45 of 2035 🔗

Summed up in the old phrase of “It’s an ill wind that blows nobody any good” I’d say re the pharmacists. They’ll just carry on stealing all our money direct from our Government – and it’ll all be perfectly legitimate (apparently…..).

338412 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to ElizaP, 17, #46 of 2035 🔗

It is an ill wind etc.
Not long after the 2008 economic crash a Turkish shopkeeper in London who spoke little English came to me for help. He had a bailiff at his shop. I can speak Turkish and ended up interpreting. The bailiff mentioned to me that his firm was doing well. Bad luck for lots of people was good luck for him.
The pharmaceuticals must be doing really well from Covid now and I suspect many governments and certainly politicians are in their pocket.

338889 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Waldorf, 3, #47 of 2035 🔗

Ive been watching El Chapo. Watch that to get an idea of how people in government can be controlled by their own greed, not fear of a gun, and will do all they can to facilitate crimes that benefit them.

339256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Waldorf, 5, #48 of 2035 🔗

I think all members of sage, like MPs, should have to declare interest in things they are influencing e.g. pharmacy shares, ppe, testing kits

339356 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #49 of 2035 🔗

I want all of them to reveal their stock portfolios.

338348 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Londo Mollari, 14, #50 of 2035 🔗

Because drugs to live will be a necessity like food.

338368 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #51 of 2035 🔗

They can’t. All the pharma companies make their big bucks on high price specialty drugs, like Oncology drugs, rare disease drugs, and other biological agents used in hospitals, primarily in the US where they are prepared to pay for them. In the US this is mostly funded by Medicare (government) and corporates through employer provided insurance.

If the tax take goes down, the US government will start to ration Medicare coverage (looking at various mechanisms to do that at the moment), and if employers go bust, then people also lose coverage. Or if they are made unemployed, obviously, but so far this has mostly been younger people in travel, hospitality etc who don’t need so many drugs so limited impact.

So anyway, it’s not good news for pharma companies at all. The impact will be delayed versus other industries but there is no doubt it is coming.

And if you think US pricing is something that is not our problem in the U.K., you are wrong. One of the mechanisms they are looking at is referencing European pricing for Medicare spend, bringing prices down to more like European levels. So what do I do if I am a pharma CEO looking to launch my fancy new expensive cancer therapy? I’m going to keep it for US use only unless other countries offer me a US type price, to keep my shareholders happy. Access to new medicines in Europe will become harder and harder, as our governments bargaining power on pricing gets weaker.

338435 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to sophie123, 4, #52 of 2035 🔗

In the short term they will probably make out like bandits. Longer-term this is not sustainable, true.

338707 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Waldorf, 5, #53 of 2035 🔗

Depends. Some drugs were selling really well during the REAL pandemic (March/April last year) because they actually helped symptoms. You can see it in the US prescription data (which is available to buy). Respiratory drugs mainly. They’re not doing anything unusual right now because, guess what? nobody is actually symptomatic any more than usual. Another non PCR related datapoint for Clare Craig et al.

Things like the recently launch Lilly and Regeneron antibodies targeted at people with COVID are doing a lot less well than anticipated. Only 20% of supply available has been used in the US, according to the WSJ. Surprise surprise – very few people with a cold can’t be arsed to go hospital for an IV infusion of an antibody, even if they are “at risk”. Because most of the time they will just get better with some paracetamol.
Those selling vaccines will do OK from those, but the profit on them is limited at the price points they have set (for AZ at least)

Other drugs, typically primary care ones for minor or self limiting conditions – things like antibiotics for ear or throat infections – or eczema drugs – sold a lot worse during the pandemic as nobody was going to see their GP. These are improving now. Most worryingly, cancer drugs are selling more poorly than usual because diagnoses for March/April fell off a cliff, and fewer people started therapy. This will drag on and impact maintenance therapies. Again, I only have US data, but it’s no doubt a similar picture in the UK.

So it’s a mixed picture. Very few drug companies are benefiting from this. Maybe Moderna and Pfizer, little bit Lilly and Regeneron, though I am sceptical they will make a return on their antibodies, given the limited uptake to date.

338791 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to sophie123, 3, #54 of 2035 🔗

Thanks for this revealing information.It seems that there are millions of doses for the antibody treatment in the US just waiting to be used. Why is this not used for all high risk patients in one of the most hypochondriac countries in the world,US? And if they had used LFT instead on all attending with symptoms for PCR testing,they could have started treatment with Regeneron within an hour?

338815 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to sophie123, 4, #55 of 2035 🔗

The antibodies are not approved, they’re granted Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). So Pharma will be losing money since you can’t charge for an unapproved treatment.

340177 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to djaustin, #56 of 2035 🔗

Oh no, they are getting paid. Through contracts with governments

339421 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to sophie123, 2, #57 of 2035 🔗

They can all take their fancy new expensive cancer therapy drugs and #$%@#%@#%!
A dinosaur was recently discovered that supposedly died from Cancer. That was millions of years ago. Most Cancer research organizations spend around 18% of their funds on research. The rest is for administration, campaign funding, conventions, parties, big houses, cars, swimming pools, first class plane tickets, etc.

338641 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Hugh, 19, #58 of 2035 🔗

Life is irrational, nothing makes any sense, the general population have become brainless zombies. The only conclusion is either I am mad or they are.

339263 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #59 of 2035 🔗

They are, but go easy on the atropine.

338337 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 17, #60 of 2035 🔗

Have looked at the very depressing DM this morning so now I will read the REAL news on here.

338339 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Judy Watson, 14, #61 of 2035 🔗

Gates’s mates threatening us with lockdown next winter. May be more interested in their profit than your health (or was there a real reason for those rigged vitamin D trials recently?).

And have the first uptick of the day, bound to learn more on heer than you are from the BBC, or even the DM!

338340 Stephensceptic, replying to Stephensceptic, 103, #62 of 2035 🔗

The government and its advisers have been smart at just one thing through this sad episode: that is that their ability to scare the population and keep it scared has been absolutely world leading.

At everything else they have been a disaster.

This really does feel like a war. The resources of the state have been mobilised to keep the population keen to fight it. We have seen countless times in history that governments have been able to do this even in the cause of unjust wars. This is such a situation.

We have also seen that ineffective ways of fighting wars have been perpetuated and been popular in the past. The World War 1 generals whom we all revile today were deeply popular during the conflict. Think of the Earl Haig Fund. The pointless offensives continued. Third Battle of Ypres, Seventh Battle of the
Isonzo. They were rationalised as wearing down the enemy. Now we have a Third National Lockdown.

Whilst the population stays afraid they will continue to be successful in keeping this war going, and continuing to fight it badly. They have zero incentive to concede defeat or to conclude that their measures do not work and will just keep mining data to justify continuation of the same.

Eventually, people will wake up. But there is still a lot more to play out. I fear this will get worse before it gets better.

338357 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Stephensceptic, 17, #63 of 2035 🔗

Fantastic post right there! The war angle is great reasoning with current gov’t and media lock step in ‘defeating’ the enemy by winning our hearts and minds with daily propaganda blitzes

340265 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Eddie, #64 of 2035 🔗

Yes things will likely get much worse, if indeed they ever get better. Of course it is war, though the enemy is not Covid, but is our corrupt government, which has sold out us out completely to Big Pharma and the Great Depopulator Bill Gates.

338398 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Stephensceptic, 6, #65 of 2035 🔗

I think they went up to Eleven Battles of the Isonzo.
There have been attempts over the past couple of decades to rehabilitate WW1 generals, but too many of them were stupid, unimaginative butchers rather better at killing their own men than the enemy’s.

338405 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Stephensceptic, 36, #66 of 2035 🔗

None of it would have been possible though without an entirely complicit and tub-thumping media.

339225 ▶▶▶ tarfu, replying to Achilles, 8, #67 of 2035 🔗

Walked to my local supermarket this afternoon, combining shopping (essential) with exercise (highly recommended for a healthier life), thus saving several lives in the process. (Sarc end).
Noticed two daily redtop papers said “1 in 50 HAS COVID” covering the whole of the front page. We really stand no chance with lies like that being rammed down peoples’ throats.

338727 ▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to Stephensceptic, 5, #68 of 2035 🔗

Absolutely. It may also be the case that the human reaction to Spanish flu caused nearly as many deaths as the flu itself, through overdose of aspirin.

How do we persuade people? Some have woken to the idea that repeated lockdowns are not working. Some see the logic that lockdowns cause death and provoke worse mutations. But they are still panicked.

Do we try to provoke fear of future economic armageddon, or try to calm fear with logic that current cases are not that bad?

338341 Kevin_Sceptic, replying to Kevin_Sceptic, 3, #69 of 2035 🔗


Hopelessly out of date, unless I’m missing something.

338346 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Kevin_Sceptic, 10, #70 of 2035 🔗

Not the Tesco incident though, which was a disgrace. Is “shops are a private space where they can do what they want” really a defence?

338356 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Hugh, 18, #71 of 2035 🔗

I can’t speak for the law in the UK, but in Canada the “this is private property” line doesn’t fly. All businesses that are open to the public have been licensed by the province to operate and, therefore, must abide by the human rights code of the province in which they operate. The police removing a customer for “trespassing” is also nonsense and only applies if the customer is committing a criminal act in the store. However, most businesses have been ignoring the masking exemptions written into the law and getting away with it. Our only options are to initiate a human rights code complaint or sue the business in small claims court. There are lawsuits in the works on a larger scale, but until they are heard we don’t have many options. Some stores are respectful, but not many, so remaining options are delivery or curb side pickup. Whether the courts will “save” us from this tyranny is anyone’s guess.

338407 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #72 of 2035 🔗

Or you actually wear a Star of David. If they want exemptions then we give them one. And film it all.

338958 ▶▶▶▶ Teebs, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #73 of 2035 🔗

Same dichotomy in France where a law says masks must be worn in all “enclosed public spaces” and which includes shops – that are “public” in the sense that the public can wander in.

But, there is then the right of the shop owner to refuse service.

A bit like a bank I suppose, anyone can walk in, but the bank manager reserves the right to decline opening an account.

By the way, I ignore the mask rule and thankfully the few shops around me that I need to go to, do not really care much.

338606 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Hugh, 4, #74 of 2035 🔗

Surely only as much as the Gov creating this stupid law saying that you have to wear a mask on private property then?! The coppers know full well that it’s treated in law as public because (i) it’s open and (ii) any member of the public can enter. They’re confusing the shop’s right to refuse to serve you (which it does have) with it being a civil offence.
Since “exemption certificates” don’t exist I wonder how many they’ve seen?! Don’t they get any training on how to treat customers with special needs other than asking them to wear a badge?!

338342 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 45, #75 of 2035 🔗

Morning all. I found today’s edition to be depressing . . . until I got to the Harry Miller Tesco story. Well done, Harry. I hope you pursue the supermarket through the courts for their lockdown Nazism.

Oh, and I wish opinion polls were not referenced. They are, as we discovered with the Us election (whatever the outcome in DC) that they were being manipulated and weaponised to get people to behave in a certain way. I am certain that the number of those who oppose the lockdowns is far higher than the 9% quoted in today’s edition.

338350 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Londo Mollari, 25, #76 of 2035 🔗

Opinion polls are about as believable as the new strain.
They give you the answer you want.

338343 Annie, replying to Annie, 50, #77 of 2035 🔗

There’s an odd little French play, written in 1923 by Jules Romains, called Knock, ou le triomphe de la médecine . Knock is a doctor – of philosophy, with no medical qualifications, but entitled (as I am) to style himself ‘Doctor’. He buys a practice in a remote village, and proceeds to. use psychological terror tactics to convince the entire population – apart from a few useful assistants – that they are permanently ill and in need if expensive care. Those who can’t afford it are treated for free, to keep them on board.
Knock’s motto is ‘Tous les hommes bien portants sont des malades qui s’ignorent’.
‘All bealthy people are ill, they just don’t know it yet.’

Like 1984 , this has turned out to be fact. Knock has graduated from ruling a village to ruling the world.

338347 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Annie, 30, #78 of 2035 🔗

And here’s part of an article on the play that appeared in the bmj in 2002:

” Knock treats the people of Saint Maurice coldly, like an anthropologist. He simplifies what he says, then he repeats himself. Isn’t it that people ask to be deceived? All right, he will deceive them. Order requires domination, and domination requires a lie or two. So he gives their lives a medical meaning. That is: he extends the bounds of the biological, of whose oracles he is the interpreter, so as to make illness not just a bodily phenomenon but an organising principle for the effective administration of society itself. His argument is life, for that is what a doctor defends. His tools are ideals, seduction, fright, and, if necessary, the threat of violence. His power is his command of language; in that respect nothing has changed since Molière’s day: Knock is every bit as much a storyteller, raconteur, bluffer, salesman and “habile homme” as Sganarelle, who was a subversive valet and sham doctor. But who’s talking sham? Knock gives everyone the fever. He inoculates his patients with the one idea: self preservation, at all costs. And even more disturbingly, as Nietzsche’s insight suggests, he might not be a cynic at all: he might be the Lie in person, someone who lies not, as it were in the detail but in his very mode of existing.”


As so often in history, the warning was there, but it was ignored because the implications were too monstrous to contemplate. As we now know.

338349 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, 20, #79 of 2035 🔗

People don’t change much do they?

Didn’t political demagogues used to try and persuade psychologists to pronounce people who disagreed with them as suffering from a mental condition? These days, I suppose they can just censor them….

338394 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Hugh, 5, #80 of 2035 🔗

One of France’s worst serial killers, Marcel Petiot, was also a medical doctor, who used the relative prestige of his profession.

338418 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Annie, 7, #81 of 2035 🔗

Very cool post.

338438 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 18, #82 of 2035 🔗

Reading this, sounds very prophetic because we’re precisely in this situation.

The government has perpetuated large scale Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy on the populace. How to convince the sheep that they’ve been had is what I’ve been wondering.

338587 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #83 of 2035 🔗

Like everything in the media its about what is trending. Following the herd is how they make a living. So while people believe this crap the assault will continue. However if they get a sniff that this is no longer trending they will all turn and feed on those they have been fed by. This is why this moronic government has gone into overkill with the tested CASES, and mutant virus they could feel the msm and their own backbenchers wavering. And there you go, you really can fool all the people…..

338595 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #84 of 2035 🔗

That’s a good point. Once the MSM starts to turn that can only lead to a domino effect.

338681 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Annie, 3, #85 of 2035 🔗

Is there an English trans? If not, maybe you could do one. Get it on at the National Theatre…

338849 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Annie, 4, #86 of 2035 🔗

Thanks.Great post.On spot.Here is the funny film with the great Louis Jouvet in French


and English subtitles here


338351 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 34, #87 of 2035 🔗


If anyone and I do mean ANYONE thinks that this is not a conspiracy are the daft ones to be first on the chopping block.


The ‘conservatives’ want to attack free speech and before anyone thinks its a Tory thing please refer to the SNPs infamous Hate Crime Bill that lost…this time.

Both could be used to suppress ‘sceptic’ voices on any number of subjects and in the process decimate any notion we are a free democracy.

Do not let anyone away with following the govt on this and C19 lockdowns. It is a co-ordinated attack on all of us. Countries only get money for locking down, why? Where is the money from? Who do we pay it back to? Where did they get it? Why should we pay back something that’s created out of thin air.

UN Agenda 21/2030 is in play and China is the country we will all become; history forbidden, 1984-state, one child policy etc etc.

All this is a precursor to that. The vaccine is a joke and not a vaccine in the traditional sense, which at least makes some sense. But to vaccinate for a coronavirus is dumb in the extreme.

Very very bad times are coming and don’t expect a reprieve. The ‘Great Reset’ is real (see UN Agenda 2030) just calling it that makes it easier to demonise anyone who reports on it.

Just look to Schwab’s bizarre robe dress when talking about this. To anyone who is ignorant I suggest studying what he is wearing. The veil is slipping.

339444 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to TheBigman, 2, #88 of 2035 🔗

I thought Schwab’ s robe shot was his audition for the new Davros in Dr Who.

Methinks we need to check the cunt’s head for numbers.

338352 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 44, #89 of 2035 🔗

I sympathise with the Tesco story.

I was asked in Greggs to wear a mask. When stating I was exempt they asked for my ‘badge’ I said its not required nor official. They said it would make things easier.

When I compared it to Jews having to wear the star of David the conversation quickly stopped and they left me alone.

Its a shame they did for I could have also pointed out how all three were handling their masks (one pulled it down to speak to me) and then touching the food/drinks etc rendering the whole thing completely pointless.

338367 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheBigman, 29, #90 of 2035 🔗

They certainly seem to be ramping up the asking you to wear a mask. It’s only in the past few weeks that I have been bothered by the door goons. LIke you, I liken it the yellow star but most harassers just look blank.

338369 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, 12, #91 of 2035 🔗

That’s because they are blank.

338379 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to kh1485, 9, #92 of 2035 🔗

The argument I hear is “how do I know about ( the subject you are talking about) I wasn’t born then.”

338381 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to PatrickF, 8, #93 of 2035 🔗

I remember a contestant on University Challenge using that excuse. Jeremy Paxman’s face was a picture.

338680 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to PatrickF, 7, #94 of 2035 🔗

Anybody who says that on Pointless receives the barely disguised ire and disdain from Richard Osman.

339073 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to kh1485, 3, #95 of 2035 🔗

This little gem appeared in Bromsgrove Community Support. Someone had replied pointing out that what she wants is against the law (Discrimination) and suggesting that the obese are at high risk and so maybe they should stay at home but she said that ‘it was a disgusting comment to make’ (and hers wasn’t?)deleted it all and then reposted her nastiness. I will add that she sells ‘handmade muzzles’.

339149 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mutineer, 5, #96 of 2035 🔗

She needs a good dictionary!

339205 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 3, #97 of 2035 🔗

– and a kick up the arse.

339460 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kh1485, 2, #98 of 2035 🔗

She needs a good shrink.

338387 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBigman, 8, #99 of 2035 🔗

I’ve not had a single problem in either Greggs or Tesco, same goes for the Co-OP.

Only on day one of in-store maskurbating did the owner of my local convenience trouble me, politely, so I explained the new law to him, politely and sent the the Lawnotfiction pdf on the subject to his phone.

338445 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TheBigman, 5, #100 of 2035 🔗

Have not had a problem like that for months now. I seem to notice that these incidents seem to occur a lot outside London. From my very limited experience, it seemed like places outside the capital or big cities seem to be more zealous when it comes to enforcing the “rules”

338612 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #101 of 2035 🔗

Definitely. I’ve had very little resistance other than when I was in Cornwall.

338997 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #102 of 2035 🔗

Had no issues at Windsor but Colchester was pretty ,much lockdown zealot central.

338629 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to TheBigman, 23, #103 of 2035 🔗

I sometimes wear a badge when I can’t be bothered to have to speak to anybody. I was literally praised for it by a shopkeeper once saying how much easier it made it for her (this was after she had literally abandoned her till and sprinted to the back of the store to accost me). I softly told her that it didn’t make life any easier for me as it wasn’t nice to have to wear a badge advertising that I have a disability. She couldn’t even look me in the eye and I thought that the ground was going to swallow her up.

338353 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 65, #104 of 2035 🔗

“Will they ever let us get back to normal?”

The very fact that this is a question proves we are the abused partner in the relationship.

Normal is what We make it. Freedoms are won not granted.

Strap on your armour and FIGHT!

338543 ▶▶ Sarah N, replying to TheBigman, 7, #105 of 2035 🔗

Agree completely!

339469 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to TheBigman, 3, #106 of 2035 🔗

Strap on your armour, mount your steed and fight!


Richard Wagner, Ride of the Valkyries

338354 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 30, #107 of 2035 🔗

Who actually believes these polls showing support. I know of not one person who supports this and I’m in the epicentre of lefty idiocy.

338365 ▶▶ danny, replying to TheBigman, 5, #108 of 2035 🔗

I think we must be neighbours!

339557 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to danny, 1, #109 of 2035 🔗

Danny, I think it was you earlier, looking for ideas for posters for bus stops etc? I lost your original post, and someone else may already have mentioned this, but have you looked at the Back to Normal website? They do postcards for door to door, with short, sharp messages . Might be worth a look if you haven’t done so.

338390 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBigman, 11, #110 of 2035 🔗

There are 6 flats in this building and all of them are receiving guests during this tier 4 nonsense except for me but I visit an elderly neighbour to sort out his shopping.

338397 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to TheBigman, 14, #111 of 2035 🔗

Spend some time on Mumsnet.

Actually don’t, it’s depressing. And scary that people this blinkered have bred.

338446 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to sophie123, 6, #112 of 2035 🔗

They’re the worst. Even more bad than Arsebook.

338491 ▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #113 of 2035 🔗

No the worst is GRANSNET. They went straight from mumsnet to gransnet and are proficient in they’re attacks on anyone who tries to join their ranks.

Although it’s thanks to a brave soul on gransnet that I discovered lockdown skeptics as he/she kindly put in the link.

338514 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Just about sane, 1, #114 of 2035 🔗

Never heard of that site, is it worth checking out?

338536 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #115 of 2035 🔗

No NO, don’t do it unless you want to get depressed.
Gransnet is full of people moaning about not ‘being able’ to hug their grandchildren, asking if it’s OK to go and see relatives for just half an hour, and snitching on neighbours.
Lots of stay safe messages, chin up mustn’t grumble, we’ll get through this.
Months ago I posted that covid was a flu virus etc etc, the sceptical arguments, and was screamed at – its much much worse than flu!!!

338616 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bluemoon, 1, #116 of 2035 🔗

Pass then. I gave up on Mumsnet ages ago and am barely on Arsebook so shan’t start with with this.

Cheers for the heads up.

339215 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #117 of 2035 🔗

Sounds like you’ll need a strong stomach – unless you use it for sport.

338585 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to sophie123, 8, #118 of 2035 🔗

I was banned from mumsnet about 3 months ago. I posted some facts and graphs on a lockdown discussion and was accused of trying to kill their children. It then told the admin to go fuck herself (my exact words) and I got banned. My wife has also cancelled her account, could not deal with the paranoia anymore.

339088 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #119 of 2035 🔗

Good work. I got banned for posting a link to the swiss doctor site.

338358 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 38, #120 of 2035 🔗

So we have the schools being shut down, as well as just about everything else in life being cancelled, and you say there is no good reason.

Well, what about:

i)                Excess deaths are marginally above last year for the last published figures, by around 502 people for week 51(England and Wales) on a population and age adjusted basis. In  a population of around 59 million, that’s 0.00085% of the population, one in 117,000, and that means around 1 in 500,000 of the under 75s were massacred in just one week
ii)               Hospitalisation rates are around normal levels for this time of year – and every year the NHS struggles, so why not destroy the education and life chances of all our children to save the very old, very sick in society – that sounds honourable, moral and decent
iii)             There’s this nasty horrible ‘mutant virus’. OK, so it’s going away in London and the South East and other regions will follow but let’s lock down just in case.
iv)             Lockdowns have been proved not to work, but what the hell, Boris knows best and he’s the  PM so let him screw the country for no reason
v)               Up to week 51, around 4,600 people under 60 had died of COVID (officially) – actually no more than half that (2,300) as otherwise COVID accounts for 200% of excess deaths. My estimate as at the end of March was under 4,000 for the whole pandemic for the UK, which was blindingly obvious even then if you looked at the numbers properly.

And we can increase these COVID death figures at will if the above isn’t scary enough. After all, as I pointed out yesterday the COVID death headline figures by country have a strong correlation (72% ) with the number of tests carried out in the country. That’s without even adjusting for population.  So if you want the COVID death numbers up to scare people, do more tests !

338378 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Laurence, 22, #121 of 2035 🔗

WHY can’t other people see this? It’s all so obvious!
there are none so blind, etc

338456 ▶▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to sophie123, 19, #122 of 2035 🔗

I find this whole aspect so infuriating sophie.
One doesn’t have to dig very deeply, or be a maths/stats genius, to work out that the figures presented by the government are clearly massaged for maximum fear factor!
I despair at the lack of scepticism in people. Am I the only one (amongst others in here of course) who rarely believe things they are told, without first doing a bit of research?

338567 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PeeDubbya, 8, #123 of 2035 🔗

The one plus I find is that you are not living in fear because of your knowledge. They are. Genuinely. And they just want the government to make it go away with a nice chart. Mad stuff.

338608 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Laurence, 5, #124 of 2035 🔗

And remember 2019 was a mild year for flu deaths, the same as early 2020 so what does it look like against a bad year of flu?

338649 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #125 of 2035 🔗

Watch Ivor Cummins latest offering on YouTube, he does a comparison from 2017-18 onwards.

338359 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 61, #126 of 2035 🔗

In Norway two nursing home residents died shortly after receiving the Pfizer vaccine. The authorities are investigating, as due to the advanced age, it might be coincidence.

I am sure this is possible, just as I am sure that it is possible that when an old, vulnerable person dies who has tested positive for Covid, it might be coincidental. Yet that possibility never seems to occur to the authorities.

Is it not strange how scepticism is applied so selectively?

338420 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #127 of 2035 🔗

Excellent point. But for as long as everyone puts messianic hope into the vaccines, critical thinking falls by the wayside. Following the latest trend on Lockdown Sceptics, the editorial team doesn’t want to apply the critical thinking either because they are too worried to be called anti-vaxxers because that is too loaded a term.

338572 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Pebbles, 6, #128 of 2035 🔗

I’d agree. You make your own call.

But if these are deaths linked to the vaccine, we should know about it. People literally believe these will end this, and provide lifelong immunity from all variants of SARS-CV-2. Without some sort of central transparent register, how can we make an informed decision?

The answer is they don’t want us to.

338671 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Pebbles, 6, #129 of 2035 🔗

The Coronavirus law includes acts which can prevent autopsies and enforce cremation rather than burial – did the government think to include these to cover up vaccine deaths?

338534 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #130 of 2035 🔗

It’s relative. Fewer people die with vaccines than with the disease itself.

As we keep pointing out, life isn’t risk free. You take the risk that makes you feel better.

It isn’t for you. It is for those who are more scared of the virus – and then means they then have no basis for imposing restrictions on the rest of us, since they can protect themselves by rolling up their own sleeve. Why is that a problem?

338902 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #131 of 2035 🔗

Because Tony Blair said on GMB that the vaccine will be your passport to freedom. He is only saying what a lot of us have known for months, which is without the jab you will not be able to travel, eat out, watch sport etc. The choice will be stark, take a risk with a dodgy vaccine or have no life.

338974 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Hellonearth, 15, #132 of 2035 🔗

You just know something sinister is going on when the creep Bliar crawls out from the woodwork.

339364 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #133 of 2035 🔗

That’s what is happening now. But with masks and lockdown in place.

Which would you prefer?

339092 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #134 of 2035 🔗

I agree with you, if that’s the way they approach it. It would be logical.

But logic has stopped applying, and they want permanent restrictions for all, AND mandatory vaccination. Fuck knows why.

339361 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to sophie123, #135 of 2035 🔗

We already have permanent restrictions. Do you want them to end or not?

I understood that over-reactions based on feeling not reason were the preserve of the other side. Am I wrong?

339228 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #136 of 2035 🔗

It’s a problem because they have been scared into taking the vaccine and haven’t been given the information to undertstand the danger they put themselves in.

339362 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Cheezilla, #137 of 2035 🔗

They have as much information as you do. Why should they be prevented from making a choice? They are not donkeys to be herded.

338570 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #138 of 2035 🔗

A nurse in Portugal, 41, died after the vaccination too. No underlying conditions. Doctor in Mexico in ICU


338620 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #139 of 2035 🔗

I think it was on here yesterday that 4 people in Finland? Died after taking the shot. Nothing to see here, just old folk dying!! Problem was they had only lost I think 26 to covid for the whole year, nothing to see here, do NOT add two and two together!

338883 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #140 of 2035 🔗

Interesting.In Iceland after 1 weeks vaccination with Pfizer 3 deaths in similar circumstances might be coincidence.And Iceland have had only 29 C-19 deaths.In Norway only 459 C-19 deaths.

339060 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to swedenborg, 4, #141 of 2035 🔗

In one of Ivor Cummins podcasts, he is discussing Vitamin D with some doctors.
They mention that if you are going to take the vaccine you must ensure your Vit D levels are sky high first to give your immume system the best chance.


339222 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hugh_Manity, 2, #143 of 2035 🔗

That’s a brilliant video.

338360 danny, replying to danny, 56, #144 of 2035 🔗

Posted this late last night so apologies for repeating but really think it has mileage.
My idea is for children to each write their names on pieces of paper along with “why I like school”. Those pieces of paper then get attached to locked school gates.
It would be such a media friendly, emotive and visual signifier of what has been stolen, yet also totally legal and free to do.
Even Covid bedwetter parents could be persuaded to join, along the lines of doing it to at least show the enormity and the human cost of closures.
I really do think this could be powerful, but it needs a concerted effort as one person sticking a name on a fence is just litter!

338362 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to danny, 10, #145 of 2035 🔗

That’s an excellent idea. Perhaps you could start something on Twatter: I like school because …

338374 ▶▶ Annie, replying to danny, 9, #146 of 2035 🔗

Great idea.

338448 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to danny, 7, #147 of 2035 🔗

That’s a good idea and I suspect will gain mileage. Agree with kh, use Twatter, possibly more effective and you’ll get more sceptics there than Arsebook.

339258 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to danny, 3, #148 of 2035 🔗

talk with usforthem – right up their street !

339702 ▶▶ DomW, replying to danny, 4, #149 of 2035 🔗

Why I MISS school would, I think, have a more powerful emotional impact

338361 TheBigman, 21, #150 of 2035 🔗

So YouTube is deleting anything that goes against the mainstream? Imagine my shock.

Nazis burned books, ISIS smash statues, Stalin created the snitching culture now all that happens is deleting a channel.

Buy books now, share them and inform everyone.

338363 TheBigman, 11, #151 of 2035 🔗

Don’t give up

338364 danny, replying to danny, 36, #152 of 2035 🔗

If you are still reading this, please do reconsider.
I feel exactly the same and fluctuate between ranting on sites like this and shutting myself away. But I do seriously believe that having a space to rant is healthy. Yes it might lead to nothing but we have been robbed psychologically of feeling that we are “normal” when out in the world, and it’s is sites like this that prove that we are just that, normal. If a million people vote for lunacy, it is still lunacy. Plus, when the kickback and the change does come, it will be from places like this and people like you. Hope you reconsider.

338372 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to danny, 9, #153 of 2035 🔗

I second that, please reconsider for all of the above reasons. Your posts are informative and give support to many of us too.

338375 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Andrea Salford, 7, #154 of 2035 🔗

Thirded. A voice from outside the UK lunatic asylum is particularly welcome.

338623 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to danny, 5, #155 of 2035 🔗

Yep, I too flipflop between rant and sod them all monkishness. Go for it.

338632 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #156 of 2035 🔗

The original post that Danny (and myself etc below) were responding to appears to have been deleted?

338699 ▶▶ jos, replying to danny, 5, #157 of 2035 🔗

We’re living in a world that doesn’t want people to argue and challenge the status quo .. I think we have to find strategies just like a domestic abuse victim has to do to become ‘acceptable’ to our abusers.. They want and expect violent dissent so we need to be smarter and more subtle in our responses. This is not going to end soon unless the brave people taking legal action get them to put a temporary halt to it – but when the day comes that we have to stand up to them we need more than blind rage – we need focus.

339262 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to danny, 2, #158 of 2035 🔗

You’re in Brighton, danny ? There is an active/effective KBF group there.

Other groups are also available. 🙂

338366 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 31, #159 of 2035 🔗

Stay at home to avoid the outside

Then open the windows so you are exposed to the outside


338371 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, 8, #160 of 2035 🔗

Makes as much sense as the rest of it.

338373 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 17, #161 of 2035 🔗

Stay at home to guarantee that any infection lurking in the family has every chance of being passed on.
Even more brilliant.

338376 ▶▶ danny, replying to Cecil B, 22, #162 of 2035 🔗

Haven’t you seen the latest TV ad? There is swirling, thick green yet invisible green smoke pouring from our mouths. Opening the window lets it escape safely out into the street. In the ad there is a postman passing by outside, so presumably he is the next victim, but they don’t seem to mention that bit.

338382 ▶▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to danny, 18, #163 of 2035 🔗

Are these government ads? I do not watch terrestrial TV so seriously have no idea. If people are being bombarded by images of how innately infectious and deadly we all are to each other then I can believe the opinion polls.

This stuff is so dangerous. The government knows not what it does. At some point they will need to seek repentance for this sheer evil.

338386 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Stephensceptic, 14, #164 of 2035 🔗

Yes, it is a genuine government sponsored brainwashing advert.

It is the most ridiculous thing ever seen and wouldn’t look out of place on a comedy show, then I again I suppose it is all a comedy (of errors) isn’t it.

338409 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 9, #165 of 2035 🔗

Might use it to take the piss: “No, no swirling green mist in here, you’re perfectly safe”

338385 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to danny, 2, #166 of 2035 🔗

Don’t forget the other ad, where green slime is on a hand.
I don’t know if that’s an NHS one though.

338388 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to PatrickF, 3, #167 of 2035 🔗

I think that’s brought to you by the republic of sturgeon land, equally as disgusting.

338421 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 1, #168 of 2035 🔗

Wasn’t that a Party Political Broadcast?

338462 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to danny, 4, #169 of 2035 🔗

The brainwashing and false advertising continues doesn’t it? Even after the NHS was ordered by the ASA to remove their advert featuring Santa in hospital.

338586 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #170 of 2035 🔗

It does

338638 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #171 of 2035 🔗

Good grief!!!

If we think that’s bad, this is worse:


338644 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #172 of 2035 🔗

Seriously?!!! What evil.

338654 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #173 of 2035 🔗

It’s awful isn’t it? And the message is very, very damaging

339712 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #174 of 2035 🔗

I think it calls for a can of spraypaint and the two words “the human”

339037 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #175 of 2035 🔗

Utter bastards who did this poster. Beyond CONTEMPT.

338573 ▶▶ rose, replying to Cecil B, 8, #176 of 2035 🔗

I’ve going to start asking people who wear masks in the street if they wear them inside their home and go to bed in them. If they answer No. I shall say .. have you got special filters on your doors and windows to stop the outside virus laden air getting in?

338622 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to rose, 11, #177 of 2035 🔗

I actually walked past a house yesterday and saw a woman inside watching telly while wearing a mask.

I kid thee not.

338628 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #178 of 2035 🔗

Thick as fuck.

339103 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Bart Simpson, #179 of 2035 🔗

I believe you. I saw a man before Christmas WFH on his computer in a mask.

338590 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Cecil B, 1, #180 of 2035 🔗

Your posts often make laugh, you have a real knack for pointing out the ridiculous … thank you.

338380 ElizaP, 5, #181 of 2035 🔗

Ditto – please don’t stop contributing.

338383 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 28, #182 of 2035 🔗

My wife will soon drive 20 miles to her 95 year old mother who is blind to stop with her overnight,do her shopping, pay her bills and do her housework (you know, the totally unnecessary things).
Fully expected to be stopped and questioned by our friendly neighbourhood Gestapo.
Will keep LS updated.

339277 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #183 of 2035 🔗

I am so glad that she is doing so. Back in March, I was the only one of my 4 sisters who was prepared to drive for 2 hours to see my 96 year old mother. And even then, I spent much of the journey trembling with fear, expecting the police at any time.
However, looking back it was a useful experience, as it gave me plenty of time to realise how stupid and unnecessarily draconian the stay at home mantra was.
Btw, my mother died in July, of a heart attack brought on by the stress of lockdown. In many respects, I am thankful that she did not have to endure this winter.

339580 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Felice, 1, #184 of 2035 🔗

Update: My wife said that Stourbridge was as quiet as the grave but at least there was no sign of the Gestapo.

338392 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 33, #185 of 2035 🔗

I need your comments as I need the comments from all on this site, the opposition in East Germany had to be patient and steadily persistent but eventually the wall came down. For me to have the strength, the will and the arguments to carry on I need the people on this site and the comments they make. My escape from this is the wildlife conservation work that I do and I am trying to convince the local wildlife trust that is is both legal and safe for this work to carry on, it takes the comments here to give me the confidence to do this. Small stuff I know but step by step we make some progress.

338503 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #186 of 2035 🔗

I couldn’t agree more. It’s vital to have this space to learn, comment, update and share views and the most important point is to know we’re not alone. I know I certainly would have gone mad and worse if I hadn’t found this site and you like minded Truth-seekers and Truth-tellers. Scepticism brought me here and clinging to the truth keeps me here and sane (just).

338393 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 60, #187 of 2035 🔗

The government has never, EVER, “saved lives.” At best, it may have ever so slightly prolonged the expiry date of those who are already in Death’s waiting room – people who are sadly a nasty bug away from a short stint in hospital and a predictable demise, as experienced every winter for centuries.

What the government HAS done however is perpetrate the greatest theft of quality life years since time immemorial, with healthy, Covid-resistant young men and women committing suicide in their droves, their deaths meaning absolutely nothing to the privileged, I-can-work-from-home set who are glorifying in being paid to sit around in their pyjamas.

If I were to make an educated guess, the government restrictions that started last March and the swirling mass hysteria that has sustained them will claim one million innocent lives at some point this year. Many of that million will be individuals in their prime, with young families reliant upon them or with parents who care deeply for them. Their short lives extinguished by abject poverty, depression and addiction. These deaths will never be the subject of a headline BBC report or a Guardian front page – they do not fit the narrative and are thus immaterial.

We are told that Holocaust comparisons are insensitive but I can think of no other way to describe what is currently playing out. The extermination of millions by decree of a ruthless cabal of monomaniacal fascists, cheered on by the hysterical, the fearful, the brainwashed. And just like those dark days 80 years ago this too will leave its own unique stain on humanity when it ends, and we will embark on the same decades-long journey of grief and reflection as we ask, “just how was this allowed to happen?”

338417 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Scotty87, 10, #188 of 2035 🔗

With regard to your final paragraph, no doubt the politicians will be spouting the usual insincere guff on 27th January about “never allowing this to happen again”

338709 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Scotty87, 14, #189 of 2035 🔗

Yes so true. Its like waking up in Oz. Everything is in colour, but, I have a one party state where a wicked witch is in charge. The flying pig monkeys arrest you for wrongthink, the scarecrows spout the Barrington declaration and wisdom but they are tied to a post in the middle of a field and nobody can hear him. The courage has deserted the lion and he is currently hiding under his bed. The tin man never found his heart after he was cancelled on twitter. I tried following the yellow brick Road but was stopped leaving the munchkins as I was in tier5. And the Ruby slippers I bought on amazon are fucking useless. There is no place…..

338395 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #190 of 2035 🔗

GPsyou n my area only allowed to vaccinate in batches of (I think) 921. Or a figure like that. They order it a batch at a time. Many GPS have only been allowed to order one batch and then been stopped.

To me, this either demonstrates a concern about the side effects and a need to oversee that OR a need to slow vax down because people don’t want to have it; thereby turning the screw of the lockdown.

In any case, I don’t believe vaccine is the way out; there will be reasons to keep us restricted.

338615 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Country Mumkin, #191 of 2035 🔗

This US website has vaccination letters that can be easily amended (and shortened) for UK purposes


338396 CGL, replying to CGL, 16, #192 of 2035 🔗

Can they get away with writing lies in their emails? Here is the first section of an email response to the petition calling for publication of the false positive rates for PCR tests (sure many of you have received it anyway):-

“Government responded:

The PCR test is reliable and effective . Like any diagnostic test however, there is always the small possibility of a false negative or a false positive result.

The PCR test is reliable and effective. Lighthouse laboratories that will undertake the processing of the majority of the tests have been reviewed by experts as part of their set up and each has a clinical virology lead. Like any diagnostic test however, there is always the small possibility of a false negative or a false positive result.

We do not have a method for collecting data for false positive or false negative results arising from testing within the national testing programme, however ONS data on the current tests show they are very specific and the risk of false positives is extremely low.

Published academic evidence from the UK and internationally demonstrates that self-administered test kits can be just as effective as clinician-administered tests in securing a good sample.

2 lies in the first sentence:-
Lie 1 – it’s reliable and effective (2 lies in one I suppose really)
Lie 2 – ‘Like any diagnostic test’ – well it IS NOT a diagnostic test is it.

How the hell can they get away with this??

338410 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to CGL, 14, #193 of 2035 🔗

We do not have a method for collecting data for false positive or false negative results arising from testing within the national testing programme”

So you can’t verify it then. You are implementing a procedure that directly affects public lives without it being verified and subject to audit.

Try that with food safety and see what happens.

The government has just admitted they are doing something that is illegal.

338419 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to mhcp, 4, #194 of 2035 🔗

thank you – that’s my 2nd MP email of the morning done then

339064 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 2, #195 of 2035 🔗

DING! That should cheers up the face-nappy Tory princess on a Wednesday.

Don’t expect a reply she STLL hasn’t responded to my last emails.

I think she was too offended shocked appalled dismayed upset horrified and traumatised by what I wrote to even bother to get her rupert of a private secretary to write a boiler plate reply to me.

338414 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to CGL, 21, #196 of 2035 🔗

Because we let them. Because our desire for this nightmare to be over without having to do anything is greater than our desire to fight for our freedom or even for the well-being of our children. That’s why everyone complies with the third lockdown. Because they hope “it will all be over in March”… meanwhile Whitty is preparing the grounds for new lockdowns next winter. The public is in a fear paralysis and the government is turning the screws tighter and tighter and tighter… and we close our eyes hoping “it won’t happen”.
Look how lame the LS news updates have become…”our hopes for ending lockdown rest on the vaccine uptake”. Are you people kidding me? Is this a news update sponsored by Big Pharma..?
Lockdown Sceptics has willingly put the welfare of the elderly generation on the trading ticket for freedom. Who cares we are coercing the 70+ populace into an experimental medical intervention in form of the mRNA vaccine, if only we can have our pubs back by March. Shame on LS.
The truth is that our freedom should have never been on the trading ticket in the first place. But that was their goal all along and we fell into this trap with eyes wide… shut.
Next winter will see new variants, new lockdowns, new school closure… new vaccines. They have tasted power and they will not let it go. Why work with Parliament if you can disable it so wonderfully under Emergency Laws? Much easier to govern as a totalitarian fuckwit without it…
You want your freedom? From here on forth, YOU will need to claim it. No one will hand it back to you. EVER.

338725 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Pebbles, 1, #197 of 2035 🔗

I agree with you. However I find above the line is just facts. Some opinion but mostly only a counterpoint to the msm style drivel. The Guy Fawkes stuff is under the line, down here with the rebels.

339281 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Pebbles, 1, #198 of 2035 🔗

I find the worst thing is that the majority are willing executioners and are urging the Pig Dictatorship to make even more stringent rules.

338799 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to CGL, 1, #199 of 2035 🔗

It is extraordinary. Completely — and deliberately — non-transparent. They need to provide data on the Ct rate.

339705 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to CGL, #200 of 2035 🔗

I got that from letter as a FOI response.

Ripped them to shreds – no reply.

338399 CGL, 3, #201 of 2035 🔗

Please don’t go

338400 Tim Bidie, 2, #202 of 2035 🔗

Well! If you ever wondered what World Government would look like, here it is.

Or, rather, government by t he ‘World Council’, from ‘Thunderbirds Are Go!’

338401 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 31, #203 of 2035 🔗

The comment above from Sir Desmond Swayne is a crucial one;
He added: “I’m appalled that we are where we are. I’m deeply suspicious of the science, and the fact is that we’ve been bounced again. The Government lacks the scientific and statistical expertise to ask the right questions and review the data and modelling.”

Unfortunately it is not just the Government that lacks this ability it seems to be the whole of Parliament and the Media. It is a huge failure of management, any good manager can manage work with a complex technical input even if they have no technical knowledge, the trick is to ask the right questions, set the right criteria, parameters and targets. It is not difficult (after all I used to do it) it just requires a degree of application, a systematic approach and the confidence not to be blown off course by high minded experts. It is amazing that there does not seem to be anyone in charge of this nonsense who is capable of doing this.

338754 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #204 of 2035 🔗

Sir Des is our only voice of reason. If you have scientists giving you facts, do you have enough knowledge to understand them? The Pig Dictator does not and rather than rock the boat and get a second opinion he just goes along with it. I think he thinks when the shit hits the fan he can just blame them. But of course these are just advisors and will melt into the background and just leave him to carry the can. Its your name on all these amendments you twat Doris!!

338404 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 23, #205 of 2035 🔗


Just want to add my reflections before homeschooling

We are clearly in a classic PCR driven casedemic

We had a spike in March/April and now the governing classes are on a hair trigger

But covid-19 seems to be now just a seasonal virus – just one of the 200 that go round and knock elderly people over the edge

Ignoring PCR and looking at ZOE app data, March/April peak was 2.2 million infected (symptomatic). Currently its 700,000. Current new infections are levelling off. The R value peaked on 18th Dec and is trending down. I expect a peak in new daily infections in the second week of Jan. The number of infectious in society will peak 10 days later. This all agrees with peak overall mortality being 5th Jan and peak week mortality usually being second week of Jan.

Through Jan and Feb infections will go down, false positives will go down, ‘pressure’ on the NHS will go down. As we come out of panic mode people will look at the data more objectively. There is no way that in the Summer after we look back and see nothing more than a normal winter season that predictions of next winter lockdowns will seem reasonable.

What seems reasonable in the current ‘fight or flight’ situation will look bloody daft in a few months time.

None of this is to minimise the horrors of the lockdown both here and around the world but I genuinely think we are at the peak of this winters seasonal cycle and also peak panic, peak stupidity, peak fear-mongering etc.

Covid was a ‘thing’ in Spring – they just are too panicked by PCR to realise its not anymore. We have years and years to say I told you so.

338752 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to steve_w, 2, #206 of 2035 🔗

I really hope you’re right!

338903 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to steve_w, 3, #207 of 2035 🔗

If infections come down, as sure as night follows day it will be explained as being due to the lockdown, and used as justification for yet more lockdowns. This doesn’t end until enough of the sheep wake up and say no.

338406 stewart, replying to stewart, 8, #208 of 2035 🔗

It’s interesting that Toby goes on Newsnight to admit he was wrong about a second wave of Covid while this newsletter shows almost on a daily basis, including today, how hospitalisations and death are within normal levels.

Who is he being honest with?

338413 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stewart, 6, #209 of 2035 🔗

It’s endemic. It will continue to peak every winter from now until forever.

338423 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #210 of 2035 🔗

yes. every winter we will have a wave of covid and all the other viruses. some more, some less. At some point we’ve either got to stop searching for it or stop panicking about what we find

338416 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to stewart, 22, #211 of 2035 🔗

I suspect being aggressively interviewed in Newsnight is not easy, I would not like to do it, it must be quite different to sitting at your computer calmly considering what you type. I imagine he was taking a tactical approach and trying to move the argument to where he wanted it to go rather than end up is a ding-dong battle over past events.
Sometimes on TV & Radio when they are interviewing someone who is lacking experience and confidence they will go out of their way to help them get their point across but no such consideration was given to Sunetra Gupta when interviewed on radio 4 , although not a natural presenter, because she represented an alternative view to the lockdown zealots she was treated quite aggressively.
What is appalling and a disgrace is that the interviewers clearly have no ability to leave aside their personal views and adopt the impartial, carefully considered approach that will lead to a fully informed debate.

338434 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #212 of 2035 🔗

Agree on everything except the idea that Toby can’t stand his ground on Newsnight. I and most would almost certaintly trip over my words and look like a fool. But he’s a seasoned journalist with plenty. of experience of interviews.

338519 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #213 of 2035 🔗

What is appalling and a disgrace is that the interviewers clearly have no ability to leave aside their personal views and adopt the impartial, carefully considered approach that will lead to a fully informed debate.

The idea that the BBC should be impartial and respectful towards genuine dissenters from the establishment’s permitted range of opinions was abandoned decades ago, in favour of activist “challenging” of wrongthink.

338717 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Mark, 3, #214 of 2035 🔗

The Mateless thing could hardly get her words out for sneering.

338645 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to stewart, 2, #215 of 2035 🔗

Sars2 is nothing more than Coronavirus #5 (prob more in the wild tbh)
They are counting all the corona colds as one test

338765 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to stewart, 2, #216 of 2035 🔗

Exactly. Euromomo shows that nothing is going on so far beyond what happens more or less every winter.


338408 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 3, #217 of 2035 🔗

Can I just check, I’m sure I saw on here that current flu vaccines are about to go out of patent (I think it was Cheezilla who posted). Is that the case? If so, I would like to use that fact on my blackboard.

338422 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to kh1485, 1, #218 of 2035 🔗

I saw that too, makes for a massive scandal if proven to be true

338504 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 2, #219 of 2035 🔗

There are a number of patents expiring 2019-21, not specifically flu vaccines. See for example: https://dispensingdoctor.org/news/patent-expiries-2019-21/ but treat with caution due to extensions etc.
So yes they might be losing revenue when big earners go out of patent but I wouldn’t overstate the case.
As flu is a different vaccine each year I can’t see that being subject to a blanket patent – but I’m no patent expert.

338522 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #220 of 2035 🔗


338411 Skippy, replying to Skippy, 8, #221 of 2035 🔗

You were poor on defending your points Toby. I expect you to use facts to knock that cunt Dunt out the park.

338432 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Skippy, 6, #222 of 2035 🔗

He’s been off the boil all week. The last few updates have been depressing as fuck.

338472 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #223 of 2035 🔗

The Spectator has also gone limp over the past 2 or 3 weeks.

338492 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Ossettian, 11, #224 of 2035 🔗

Yes this new strain of virus unveiling has certainly worked well for the government and it’s plan to get through the winter without further blame for virus fatality . I understand the caution from Toby and the sceptic MP’s, go too gung-ho early and the leftists will label you as a crank bad person forever. They are very good at that but Ferguson and co can be as wrong as possible to be and still get treated like the second coming. Life isn’t fair but Toby will be proved right in time.

338719 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ossettian, 2, #225 of 2035 🔗

Yes, I’m considering cancelling my subscription. I’m starting to wonder about who is funding the magazine now.

338742 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #226 of 2035 🔗

Cancelled mine about a month ago. Reading them I sensed a parting of the ways between them and me on this point. Too much normalising of what is essentially a government war on it’s people. They are too intelligent not to know it’s disproportionate and destructive. Very very disappointing. Same with the Telegraph, cancelled them so they are now limping along without my £4 per month (which they actually offered to drop to £2 if I stay, completely ignoring the reason I gave for cancelling – lack of editorial conscience).

338777 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #227 of 2035 🔗

Thanks, Andrea. I’ll give the Spectator a bit longer, but my patience is running out. I did discover a new magazine called The Critic and it’s a lot more ‘critical’ about everything, with quite a variety of articles, though it has the advantage of being a monthly, rather than a weekly.

339601 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Skippy, 1, #228 of 2035 🔗

Saying he was mistaken about the second wave was a seriously low point.

338415 stewart, replying to stewart, 23, #229 of 2035 🔗

The strategy of just plugging everybody with a vaccine so we can all pretend to be immune and move on is going to fail badly.

The fundamental premise of that strategy is that people are terrified and need to be feel safe. And the vaccine will make them feel safe.

This won’t work for two big reasons:

(1) The vaccines don’t do much – the manufacturers themselves say so – so PCR tests will continue to find “cases”, the media will continue to harvest whatever information they can find that suggests there is a problem and manufacture the next hysteria or crisis. The idea that the government will reduce testing to prove that the vaccine has worked and claim victory is mistaken. They could have done that at anytime and haven’t. The government isn’t control of anything at this point. It’s just reacting late and badly to everything.

(2) That rationale for imposing masks in closed spaces was that it would make people feel safe and get out and about. In fact, they have the opposite effect, masks have actually made people more fearful and more hysterical about Covid, not less.

I’m back to where I was back in April regarding when this ends. It ends only with economic collapse that precipitates an emotional change in people that the danger they face from economic collapse is bigger than the danger of covid. Until that happens, this doesn’t go away.

338426 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to stewart, 11, #230 of 2035 🔗

It will go away in the Spring and society has 6 months to consider our previous responses and our future ones. Maybe best to clear out SAGE and fill it with new people a) who have more balanced opinions and b) who haven’t been responsible for the disastrous decisions of the past

338714 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to steve_w, 6, #231 of 2035 🔗

Perhaps recruit actual scientists, rather than social anthropology-type woke marxists who hate our country and want to destroy it? I would arrest those currently in SAGE and charge them with fraud (at a minimum).

I hope you’re right about the shitshow ending in the spring. If it doesn’t, we’re even more screwed than we are now.

338428 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stewart, 8, #232 of 2035 🔗

Nothing gets better until the testing is reduced. People will still contract the virus and some of those will go on to die within 28 days of having the test. There is no route out of this mess currently.

338424 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #233 of 2035 🔗

Sat in the bus stop with a bunch of sceptics

Along comes an off duty nurse known to some of us. The nurse announces that she has just had the vaccine and recommended we all get it

Silence. She was so cultist there was no point

When describing the the virtues of the vaccine she said ‘oh and don’t stir it, it makes it useless if you stir it’ and giggled. It was one of those childish giggles that tells you the giggler has done something wrong without them actually admitting it

So how much of this gunk has been destroyed by half wits stirring it?

338460 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #234 of 2035 🔗

Or perhaps more importantly how many half wits have been injected with stirred gunk

338425 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 22, #235 of 2035 🔗

Toby, what are you doing telling Emily Maitland “I got that wrong”? You got nothing wrong. Don’t give them anything, these people who are destroying the lives of my 6 grandkids.

338453 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bungle, 5, #236 of 2035 🔗

Actually I think that was a good move on Toby’s part as it closed down that line of attack. One sometimes retreats in order to advance. Well done Toby.

338427 stewart, replying to stewart, 17, #237 of 2035 🔗

Just heard Dr. John Lee on TalkRadio.
He is a national treasure.

338490 ▶▶ nootnoot, replying to stewart, 3, #238 of 2035 🔗

He was very good this moning, spoke so much sense!

338429 Carmen B, replying to Carmen B, 8, #239 of 2035 🔗

Once again it appears that the Prime Minister and his colleagues have been bamboozled by dodgy data from doomsayers with their unreliable models and mass testing.”

“Boris has been banking on a vaccine to rescue him from this disaster since March.”

I just don’t understand why this site is still being so generous towards Johnson. He’s clever enough to understand the data and ask the right questions, he’s had many months to plan for vaccine delivery, and he could end this at any time. Why give him cover?

“Vaccination is our ticket out of lockdown” – well clearly it’s not, is it?

338449 ▶▶ l835, replying to Carmen B, 5, #240 of 2035 🔗

I’ve never been taken in by his buffoon act. Mick Heron’s parody of him in the “Slow Horses” novels is spot on!

But vaccination is their ticket out of this mess. When sufficient numbers have been jabbed, they will declare the population sufficiently “protected” so no need to test, and panic over.

338476 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to l835, 4, #241 of 2035 🔗

The new testing centre management have been given 18 month initial contracts. Testing and repeat vaccinations looks to me to be the plan for the medium term.

338785 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Carmen B, 2, #242 of 2035 🔗

This juggernaut is rolling whether Boris ‘nodding dog Churchill’ is there or not. They’ve given him the kiddie pretend steering wheel so he can live out his dream of being World King. He makes public promises (inhuman to cancel Christmas) hoping they won’t dare make him u-turn; but of course they do.

He’s the SAGE useful idiot because he’s still popular with the compliants. In fairness I think he would rather not be the bearer of bad news but the alternative is he gets the chop – whisked away with Long COVID maybe – and he wouldn’t want that.

338430 Mark, 10, #243 of 2035 🔗

Duly noted that I consider myself in debt to Harry Miller to the tune of beers for one night’s drinking, should he ever show up in Sheffield. Respect is due, for that kind of courageous stand.

338431 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #244 of 2035 🔗

Telegraph report on the latest big scary number that everybody is ignoring as though it doesn’t matter”

That’s because it doesn’t and can’t.

People are saving a lot because there is little to spend the money on and they wish to pay back their debts. And that’s it.

The process is outlined here, with a link to a document that explains the full details in great depth.


The question that should be asked is why the government is issuing any more Gilts than planned this year when it doesn’t need to. All that does is enrich the GEMMS when they buy them off the DMO and sell them back to the Bank of England.

Just don’t bother in the first place and let the balance drop to HM Treasury’s Ways and Means Account at the BoE. We’re out of the EU now. No need to follow their Maastricht convergence criteria.

338794 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #245 of 2035 🔗

Uptick from me, even though I’ve no idea what your last two paragraphs mean, they sound positive (ish)?

338433 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 22, #246 of 2035 🔗

The government’s statutory instrument legislation for the Covid restrictions in England. Look at the final line:

‘No impact assessment has been prepared for these Regulations.’

This is the most inept, most arrogant, most psychotic, deadliest administration in our history.

338440 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to common conservative, 12, #247 of 2035 🔗

‘We are going to shoot your cancer out with a bullet”

“No impact assessement has been prepared for these Regulations”

338477 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to mhcp, 5, #248 of 2035 🔗

Yes this is called chemotherapy. The crudest possible way to deal with damaged cells (shoot all your cells with a machine gun and hope something good happens….)

338539 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to FerdIII, 1, #249 of 2035 🔗

True but I was thinking more of physically shooting.

338436 steve_w, 12, #250 of 2035 🔗

Just watched Toby on Newsnight.

Emily Maitless quoting from a June article from Toby saying there was no second wave and the virus had gone. Which was completely true

338437 Julian, replying to Julian, 21, #251 of 2035 🔗

Very disappointed to see yet another piece above the line (Sinead Murphy) supporting McGrogan’s view that we have failed because we did not appeal to emotion, only to reason

1) This is simply not true

Yes, the arguments against lockdown are obvious to us
Yes, people seem immune to those arguments

But why are they immune?

Could it be that they have been told nothing else but covid lies from Day One, by everyone?

338444 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Julian, 3, #252 of 2035 🔗

It is true. Emotion trumps reason every time.

Basic psychology.

If you believe otherwise, then you’ll be on the losing side. We’re dealing with humans, not robots.

338451 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #253 of 2035 🔗

Read what I wrote carefully

I didn’t say that emotional arguments don’t work, I said it wasn’t true that we had not used them – we have

338483 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 1, #254 of 2035 🔗

Ha! Didn’t see your comment before I wrote the above, Julian, but I did refer to you having made this point before. I think you are correct on this.

338485 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Julian, 9, #255 of 2035 🔗

Lies , psychological warfare and the multi million ££ propaganda machine. Plus most people are just too dumb to question what those in authority tell them.

338801 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Julian, 5, #256 of 2035 🔗

Give us MSM for a day, we’d soon have the means to turn the tide.

338439 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 32, #257 of 2035 🔗

The line we need to be pushing now is: “If you’re scared of the virus, go get a vaccination rather than forcing me to wear a mask to alleviate your anxiety”.

It’s time to get across to people that they have no right to impose restrictions on others just because they are scared of the dark.

The vaccination is for the hyperventilators. If they believe it works then let them believe that and request they avail themselves of the medicine rather than restricting our lives.

338458 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 14, #258 of 2035 🔗

Well, unfortunately we are where we are, and in some ways you may be right

The vaccine is a cover though, and if this nonsense ends through the vaccine then we will have learnt nothing as a society

It’s probably too late anyway, but I cannot support pushing a vaccine

338465 ▶▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to Julian, 12, #259 of 2035 🔗

I tend to agree with you Julian.
Whilst I’m hopeful that the gullible will take up the vaccine and allow the government to remove the current restrictions, we are of course only sowing the seeds for future lockdowns to ‘save the NHS’ during flu seasons, especially as the general population is well practiced in them.

338473 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Julian, 17, #260 of 2035 🔗

And ending it via the vaccine will mean that vaccines will become the default answer for every non-threatening sniffle that comes along. Nice for big pharma. Maybe the learning will only take place when people start dropping like flies due to over-vaccination…

338589 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #261 of 2035 🔗

While I accept that people should feel free to get jabbed, worth bearing in mind that our laissez faire decency as a short term expedient ends with freedom being conditional on jabs and without end.

338461 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #262 of 2035 🔗

Yes yes yes! Exactly this!

339680 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #263 of 2035 🔗

Why should I leave MY lights on just because you`re scared of the dark?

338441 steve_w, 4, #264 of 2035 🔗

Ian Dunt was awful

338447 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #265 of 2035 🔗

Emily Maitless was so partisan. ‘Lockdown didn’t fail in March, it brought the R rate down’. Provably false it just coincided with the fall that was already happening

338468 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to steve_w, 7, #266 of 2035 🔗

If Lockdown 1 worked then surely the measures of Lockdown 1 should be followed which means no masks, track and trace or mass testing.

Yet in Lockdowns 2 and now 3 as well as Tiers we have:

Masks, Track and Trace and Mass Testing.

So clearly the issue according to this logic is:

Don’t do masks, Don’t track and trace and Don’t do mass testing and you’ll see the numbers come down.

338469 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to steve_w, 6, #267 of 2035 🔗

The R rate is fiction anyway.

338675 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to steve_w, 3, #268 of 2035 🔗

It’s the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, where people think that something caused something else just because it preceded the something else. Of course, a closer look reveals that the situation was improving the week before the UK lockdown began.

338450 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #269 of 2035 🔗

I note the argument that we have lost the debate

1930’s Germany most people supported the Nazi Party

1950’s Germany few people supported the Nazi Party

‘Events dear boy, events’ as someone once said I think

338454 ▶▶ l835, replying to Cecil B, 9, #270 of 2035 🔗

1960’s nobody had ever voted for the Nazi party and can’t understand how they came to power.

338457 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to l835, 8, #271 of 2035 🔗

everyone in France was in the resistance too

338471 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to steve_w, 1, #272 of 2035 🔗

Yep all 10.000 of them.

338464 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cecil B, 4, #273 of 2035 🔗

Support started waning presumably when bombs started falling on their heads.

In this crisis we are currently still in the “rolling through France” stage.

338474 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to stewart, 1, #274 of 2035 🔗

just waiting for SAGE to declare war on Russia then USA 6 months later – that will work!

338480 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to stewart, 1, #275 of 2035 🔗

Or in the U boat war ‘The happy times’

338511 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to stewart, 4, #276 of 2035 🔗

Yep. But what will be the attacking Russia in winter moment? it has to come at some point. I do think the Whitty comment of restrictions next winter has gone down badly with quite a lot of people.

338478 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cecil B, 6, #277 of 2035 🔗

I don’t think the suggestion is that we should give up. Rather that we should be clear eyed about the situation in order to better design our strategy and tactics for the future.

338498 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 4, #278 of 2035 🔗

I don’t understand it. Lockdown is a failed policy. That should be obvious to anyone now.

338508 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, 1, #279 of 2035 🔗

Harold Macmillan.

338452 Major Bonkers, replying to Major Bonkers, 17, #280 of 2035 🔗

Meme corner:

338969 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Major Bonkers, 1, #281 of 2035 🔗


338455 jb12, replying to jb12, 14, #282 of 2035 🔗

“Vaccination is our ticket out of lockdown with all its destructive consequences for lives, livelihoods and mental and physical health.”

A pretty nonsensical statement when you read the opening story, isn’t it? This site is like all the other news outlets: vaccinations are both necessary and desirable. Absolutely shameful.

338459 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to jb12, 7, #283 of 2035 🔗

Although frankly at this stage, let the stupid and terrified take one for team whilst the rest of us trust our own natural immunity…

338467 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #284 of 2035 🔗

Yes the more have it the more chance I might go under the radar. I haven’t been near a doctors since I was a child.

338481 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #285 of 2035 🔗

All fine until they start to require vaccination for foreign travel which, of course, is a nudge, nudge, nudge towards it being needed for entry into public spaces.

338484 ▶▶ Julian, replying to jb12, 4, #286 of 2035 🔗

I disagree that is is like other news outlets

Realistically, the likely way out (if there is one at all) is through vaccination – I do not support it and think we should not support it being pushed as the solution, but the reality is that

338500 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, 6, #287 of 2035 🔗

It isn’t a reality though. That is now Whitty and Van Tam saying vaccines will not end the restrictions.

338506 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jb12, 2, #288 of 2035 🔗

This is also sadly a danger

338562 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Julian, 2, #289 of 2035 🔗

The real question is why you object to other people taking the medicine they wish to take.

Isn’t that the same as insisting that others do what you want them to do?

338560 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to jb12, 3, #290 of 2035 🔗

The big question is why not? It’s not for you is it. It is for those who insist on controlling your actions to alleviate their anxiety. Now they can alleviate their anxiety by rolling up their sleeves.

Seems like the perfect answer to me. Why the religious objection to other people taking medicine?

338627 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #291 of 2035 🔗

Wow, ‘religious’, eh? Maybe you could actually think about what I am saying, since you are so rational. I quoted an excerpt from today’s above the line that suggests vaccines will end restrictions, which is what the majority believe. Do you disagree that this assertion looks foolish when on the same page there is Whitty echoing Van Tam’s earlier statement that vaccines will not end restrictions?

338840 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to jb12, 3, #292 of 2035 🔗

Correct. And vaccines should not end lockdowns, there should be no lockdowns. And having the population conditioned by lies and fear into demanding vaccines (and lockdowns and masks) for everyone is obscene.

338466 FerdIII, 17, #293 of 2035 🔗

I see more made up polls, ‘70%’ of the sheeple support CV Fascism lockdowns? Coincidentally another poll has 70% supporting the poison vaxx? 70% is a popular number with the CV Religion (herd immunity is 70%, the vaxx must be 70% effective they say….)

No chance. If it is true, than the UK is finished but these polls are simply more made up numbers like the CV 19 dead.

I have also noticed that any criticism of the LDs etc or the empty hospitals gets you labelled as a ‘Covid denier’. Since I had CV 19 and survived, I am hardly a denier that it exists.

But there is no science, no data, to support the current raft of policies. And in studying the data maybe 25 K have died from the CV flu in the UK, 45 K with it (if you believe the testing). 43 K have been murdered at home, unable to access the TikTok dancers at the NHS who are overwhelmed with boredom. Maybe we need to emphasise those murdered by the LD fascists.

338470 Tim Bidie, 11, #294 of 2035 🔗

The ’emotions’ debate is, to me, one of semantics.

There is as much emotion in the cold hard use of reason as there is in shouting from the rooftops. It is simply a different and much more practical emotion.

For example, two brilliant tennis players, McEnroe and Federer, one demonstrative, the other not, both legends, neither style more effective or watchable than the other; whatever works for you.

But, in my book, intemperate language, actions, invariably indicate the wrong end of the argument and, sooner or later, that becomes blindingly obvious.

This is a long game….but the outcome is not in doubt.

338475 Mark, replying to Mark, 14, #295 of 2035 🔗

In relation to the contribution by Dr Sinéad Murphy to the “failed strategy” discussion, I have to say that my disagreement still applies. I believe sceptics applied both reason and emotion, and were not defeated because of a lack of the latter, but rather because the correlation of political, social and economic power already, before the debate was even really engaged, overwhelmingly backed panic, before most of us had even seen it coming.

The crucial period was February and March. That’s when infantile howls of “putting money ahead of lives” and “eugenics” consigned the concept of herd immunity to the outer darkness with “racism” and “homophobia” and other demonised opinions. That’s when, and how, Whitty, Vallance and the government were bullied out of the then existing government plan for a Swedish-style approach. At that time there were almost no lockdown sceptics because almost nobody dreamed there could be such a thing. Even Ferguson admitted recently that the perpetrators themselves “didn’t think they could get away” with a Chinese totalitarian-style approach in the UK.

By the time lockdown was seriously threatened, it was already too late to fight it and the key tool had already been rendered verboten. The state propaganda and behaviour manipulation team was already in action. The people running our media were already inclined to dismiss arguments against panic as “uncaring” and “dangerous”, and were enthusiastically peddling all the scare stories they could find from China and Italy. There was no willingness in the media to even cover emotional arguments against panicking, let alone give them any prominence.

We’ve been playing catchup ever since.

“[ T]hose who argue in favour of lockdowns have done so and continue to do so with a righteous energy and moral fervour, which those of us who argue against them have tended to steer clear of, on the assumption that such energy and fervour would weaken our arguments rather than make them stronger. This assumption comes naturally to our Enlightenment habits of thinking and acting, which have been formed on the premise that reason and feeling are separate faculties and hardly compatible .”

Dr Murphy here, I believe, imputes her own particular position to others. Imo there have been plenty of people willing to push emotional arguments against lockdown, it’s just that, as noted above, they’ve had no platform and no traction. As Julian btl has been pointing out from the beginning, big business and the wealthy, with a couple of heroic exceptions, signally failed to put enough of their resources into the propaganda fight when it mattered, early on.

None of this should be taken as any personal criticism of any of these excellent writers published here on this. McGrogan, Bedoyere and Murphy have written excellent material, well argued and making many important points very effectively. I just disagree on this particular point.

338479 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 3, #296 of 2035 🔗

Very well put

I think most of us below the line agree on this

338499 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 8, #297 of 2035 🔗

When making this judgement about who is winning the argument and why, it does seem rather strange to look at the two sides and ignore the fact that one side has the resources of the state and the corporate media, the professions, etc and other side consists of some isolated voices, very few of which have any platform to speak of and instead focus on the assumed differential use of emotive rhetoric.

338658 ▶▶▶ coulie45, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #298 of 2035 🔗

It is also worth remembering that Lockdowns have only been possible because of the Chancellor’s ‘magic money tree’. So to allay the effect of lockdown on peoples’ personal financial position the Government has ‘printed’ hundreds of billions of pounds and put in place enormous support packages for a whole host of businesses and activities. Inflation has remained dormant, the pound has remained relatively stable, interest rates have remained exceptionally low and huge new spending programmes aimed particularly at the health sector have been instituted. Whilst severely damaged by lockdown the economy has continued to function. What the long term cost of all of this ultimately will be, one can only wonder. Certainly if this had been the 1970s inflation and interest rates would have exploded and we would have been on our way to Germany in the 1920s or Venezuela today. Who is to say that that isn’t our ultimate destination?

338668 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to coulie45, 6, #299 of 2035 🔗

Yes, this has been bothering me for some time. Eventually the ‘magic money forest’ will no longer yield the funny money and then the game’s up. I suspect it will happen to smaller economies first – the ‘markets’ will stop buying the debt – and then spread to places like the UK. At that point, governments will need to make hard choices, but you’re right about how finance ministers have been getting away with it for some time now and have little incentive to stop. I really do fear for the future.

338482 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 8, #300 of 2035 🔗

It would bee good to do an in depth analysis of the Toby / Maitliss interview, but I am not sure I am the best person to do it. But here are a couple of thoughts.

  1. Maitliss starts with two ex cathedra pronouncements; ‘..at a time of unprecedented emergency … in the face of scientific consensus…’. Is this unbiased BBC journalism?
  2. It seemed that Toby made a very strong point when he pointed to the damage caused by Lockdowns. Dunt had no reply to this but just blustered. This may point to an effective strategy for us since it goes to the heart of the use of the emotive argument, but is grounded in logic.

I have just taken a look at Ian Dunt’s Twitter page and made some contributions. I suggest it may be worthwhile for others to contribute. Here is a, link:


338488 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basileus, 12, #301 of 2035 🔗

Same arguments they make for the Warmtard religion where plant food 0.04% gas by weight causes everything, ergo we need to build bird choppers. Maitless is a clown. There is a strong overlap between the Covidiots and the Warmtards. Build Back Better is Communist agitprop for the Green Deal.

LDs have killed 43 K people (murdered). Toby should ask her if she is a murderer.

Re consensus: what consensus? Consensus stupid = still stupid. There is no consensus about CV 19. Thousands of doctors et al are against LDs, the Vaxx, Diapers etc.

And saying ‘unprecedented emergency’ is ridiculous. It is a manufactured emergency. 2017-18 we had 60 K die of the flu in the UK. You can go back 10 years and read the Fake News post Flu season articles on ‘why did the flu vaxx fail’, ‘why was the NHS overwhelmed again this winter’ etc. Every. Single. Year.

Fake News BBC. Bad for your mental health.

338489 ▶▶ Will, replying to Basileus, 4, #302 of 2035 🔗

Where Toby struggled was when confronted with the article from June, the counter to that line of argument is this quote from Vallance:

“If you completely locked down absolutely everything, probably for a period of four months or more then you would suppress this virus,” he told Sky News.

“All of the evidence from previous epidemics suggests that when you do that and then you release it, it all comes back again.
“The other part of this is to make sure that we don’t end up with a sudden peak again in the winter which is even larger which causes even more problems.

“So we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely which you can’t do anyway, not suppress it so we get the second peak and also allow enough of us who are going to get mild illness to become immune to this to help with the whole population response which would protect everybody.”

338502 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Basileus, 9, #303 of 2035 🔗

Maitliss starts with two ex cathedra pronouncements; ‘..at a time of unprecedented emergency … in the face of scientific consensus…’. Is this unbiased BBC journalism ?”

Worse than that, she started with; “in the face of so much irrefutable scientific data”, basically stating the Official Truth position as not open to reasonable dispute at the outset. She then went on to use the “covid denier” smear to further frame the discussion.

This absolutely is the BBC’s idea of “unbiased journalism”, which has been used against dissenters from pc orthodoxy for decades, very successfully.

There should be no doubt in anybody’s mind that one of the roots of our problems in most areas is the BBC and its establishment propagandist power. If we keep electing people like the “Conservative” Party as supposed representatives of conservatives, they will keep saying they will do something about it to win votes, but finding the BBC too useful in office and letting it get away with brief trimming while they are fleetingly powerful, only to destroy them as soon as the opportunity presents. by which time they have no political force to deploy against the BBC.

This has been the story of the past half century at least. “Conservative” Party victories and governments which bring to power people who are not remotely conservative and who therefore bring almost no benefits whatsoever to actual conservative voters.

339696 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basileus, 1, #304 of 2035 🔗

You’ll need a sick bucket if you venture in there.

338486 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 6, #305 of 2035 🔗

In Islam there is something called Naskh translated as “abrogation’ where earlier verses are replaced with newer ones to try and resolve contradications in what is supposed to be the actual word of God. The Quran for example in modern times is read largest verse to the smallest but that is not the original chronological order, where there are the Mecca verses (generally peace and love) then the Medina verses which are much more wide ranging as well as more “forceful” let’s say.

It’s similar to the New Testamant in some ways that as a religion grows you need to erase or correct the past to keep things relevant to the new way of thinking.

So as I’ve commented here and before:

If we are to believe in the Truth of Lockdowns

Lockdown 1 had no masks, no mass testing and no track and trace. It also had the most dramatic reduction in deaths.

Yet Lockdowns 2 and 3 has masks, mass testing and track and trace. And yet they are expected to work the same.

It also appears that Lockdown 1 shows that lockdowns work but when you ask about the details then those details don’t work anymore. Which would mean that Lockdown 1 shouldn’t have worked then?

Ah Abrogation to the rescue. Now you need to wear masks, do mass testing and have track and trace for lockdowns to work because this time is DIFFERENT. Now the test laid down by the God of Covid is Covid 2: Super Mutant Virus Electric Boogaloo.

But it wasn’t that in Lockdown 2. Hmmm.

So really the Lockdown Truth is saying we must lockdown without masks, track and trace and mass testing. There’s no way around it.

338510 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to mhcp, 1, #306 of 2035 🔗

The practice of ‘abrogation’ is indeed applied to the Koran, but I am not aware of a similar practice with respect to the New testament. Sources please.

338516 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basileus, 4, #307 of 2035 🔗

I didn’t say it was practised in Christianity just that the concept is similar to how the New Testament changes concepts of the Old Testament. And even in books after the Gospels advice is refined.

338487 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 9, #308 of 2035 🔗

Lockdown mutations

It is very difficult to persuade anyone at the moment, but the argument that lockdown has been tried and failed cuts a bit.

I want to extend this by arguing that lockdowns cause more infectious mutations. They provide the environment in which the most successful strains of virus will be the most infectious ones.

South Africa had one of the strictest lovkdowns ion the planet. Look what happened.

I can foresee a nightmare scenario.
England’s long lockdown coupled with vaccine rollout means the most successful mutants of virus will be the most infectious ones with spike proteins that get around the vaccine.

As lockdown fanatics will only listen to panic and doom. Maybe this might make them fear lockdown?

338496 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to FrankiiB, 14, #309 of 2035 🔗

Yep, I saw some scientists making this argument back in March/April lockdown. We need to let the disease spread as naturally as possible because then the more infectious but less lethal strains will become dominant as a matter of evolution. In the very long run, this is likely to lead to fewer deaths (not only because lockdown-related deaths will have also been avoided by not locking down).

338512 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to FrankiiB, 5, #310 of 2035 🔗

You are assuming that they understand how evolution works. The scientific literacy they have demonstrated so far suggests they probably don’t.

338661 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #311 of 2035 🔗

Yes, I fear this is more about ideology than any kind of rational, scientific thinking. Many of these so-called scientists are actually social anthropologists or others who do not have any biology background, and many are on the far left. You’d be amazed at the people I have to work with at a university’s social ‘science’ school. It’s a joke.

339085 ▶▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #312 of 2035 🔗

It’s astonishing how standards have all but ceased to exist, but it’s nothing new. Thirty years ago I had a colleague whose husband was a psychiatrist. He was apoplectic with rage on discovering that a new SHO on his team not only couldn’t spell haemoglobin, but didn’t know what it was.

339182 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to trevorpee, 2, #313 of 2035 🔗

That’s pretty bad.

339248 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Waldorf, 1, #314 of 2035 🔗

This is why I’m never disappointed: my expectations are rock-bottom.

338493 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 131, #315 of 2035 🔗

I almost feel as if we are seeing a re-run of March. Previously sceptical, or even balanced individuals, are now retreating back with fear and swallowing the government propaganda about the ‘new strain’ – see the split in the CRG, Dan Hodges on Twitter, etc. The cancerous fear is returning and infesting everything and everyone.

It is incredibly demoralising. The BBC itself admitted that there is no sufficient evidence that this new strain causes more death or serious disease, and as some commenters on here have pointed out, even the evidence as to its increased transmissibility is dubious. In any other sane world, a disease which is highly transmissible but which does not lead to a significant number of deaths or serious illnesses would be a good thing. It would be a cause for celebration and relief, because it would mean that the IFR would be low, people could catch it, shake it off, and have natural immunity. Life could carry on.

One thing I have noticed throughout this crapshow is that any facet of information which would have been a cause for relief has been completely turned on its head and used to generate fear. Asymptomatic infections should be a good thing because fewer people are dying or getting seriously ill; but no, apparently you must always pathologically assume you are sick and can kill anyone who might come near you. Mercifully, this disease spares our children and young people; but no, they must be treated as deadly vectors of disease and have their lives and futures utterly trashed to prolong the lives of those who have already lived a free, full life. We have treatments, including various drugs as well as just good old Vitamin D, good diet, and exercise to strengthen our defences against this virus; but no, none of them are effective and you must instead all wait to be injected with an experimental emergency vaccine never before authorised for mass human use for a disease which seriously affects a small minority.

It is this disingenuously twisted presentation of established science which has strengthened my resolve in the past few days and weeks, despite the heightened fear. My conviction that lockdowns are insane and damaging has not wavered since 23 March 2020 and will not ever waver.

Even if the NHS is being ‘overwhelmed’, the fact that no cost-benefit analysis for lockdown has ever been done is deeply immoral. This is a dereliction of the government’s duty. If we really are being locked up at home just to save a health service, then I refuse to believe that the eye-watering billions we have spent on useless lockdowns and testing could not have been spent on rearranging hospital management, scaling up bed capacity, and recruiting nurses and retired volunteer staff (who were ignored back in March/April anyway when they agreed to come out of retirement and help) so that the rest of the country could try and carry on as normally as possible. This government has had almost an entire year to prepare the NHS and let everyone else lead their lives and stay as mentally and physically healthy as humanly possible. The scientists know this disease is seasonal and there would very likely be a resurgence in winter, when the NHS is already under strain. Lockdowns are not and never will be the answer; Ferguson’s The Times interview, where he implies that he knew China’s strategy was oppressive and morally wrong, is another thing which convinces me of this.

I don’t care how hard the MSM and government crank up the propaganda; remember they are only doing it because if they didn’t bombard people with wall-to-wall fear every day, us sceptics would probably win this war quite easily. I know I am preaching to the converted on here but this is a message to anyone who may feel like they are losing resolve.

Don’t give up now. KBO.

338507 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 25, #316 of 2035 🔗

Well said Poppy and I agree with you. Still have people on Arsebook falling for and peddling the government’s propaganda but I wonder how they will react when the lies are finally exposed.

I think that it’s started to get ugly and it will get even uglier especially as more redundancies and bankruptcies are in the pipeline. And the economic meltdown having a massive negative impact on pensions and savings.

338592 ▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #317 of 2035 🔗

I have logged out of Facebook as it wasn’t good for my health – neither are any MSM outlets. In regard the lies, they are unlikely ever to be exposed and even if they were most people are too heavily invested into lockdown policies to accept that they are/were lies. They simply will not coutenance the remotest possibility they might be wrong.

338664 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 11, #318 of 2035 🔗

I’m mostly using it simply for messaging. I very rarely post there now and restrict myself to Covid free pages. Have boycotted the MSM for a long time and ended my Times subscription last August.

As for the inability to countenance that they were wrong, I still live and hope that they will do – economic Armageddon has a nasty habit of wreaking its havoc anywhere and to everyone. Those upper middle class folk won’t know what hit them.

338787 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #319 of 2035 🔗

Yes, The Times really went downhill quickly, though I suppose it always was, like the BBC, the voice of the British establishment.

Totally agree about the need for the ‘upper middle-class folk’ to feel the pain. This will happen, perhaps sooner than they realise, and it will focus their minds.

338810 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Tom in Scotland, 10, #320 of 2035 🔗

The policies such as central banks driving up asset prices are designed to keep the middle classes happy. With the near record stock market prices and record house prices where I live people have never been wealthier and now most are on full pay at home without commuting. The Great Reset is good for the top half of society.

338818 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom in Scotland, 8, #321 of 2035 🔗

Many of the articles reeked of propaganda and the lockdownistas commenting became too much so I thought “enough is enough” and cancelled my subscription.

I don’t think many of the upper middle class folk realise that their pensions and savings are invested in a lot of prime real estate – City of London, Mayfair, Belgravia, Regent Street,etc. The longer this goes on, the more the value of their pensions and savings will go down until they finally lose their value. Plus Sunak has not ruled out tax raids on pensions, see how they will like that.

339459 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #322 of 2035 🔗

It makes little difference whether they will admit they were wrong. The brain-challenged lockdown zealots will all be keen to get the Bill Gates Covid vaccines and once injected, they will be on borrowed time. Our main job is to keep ourselves out of depopulator Bill’s deadly clutches.

338693 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, #323 of 2035 🔗

Sign up for Gab
Go to #britfam
Sceptic heaven

339746 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Crystal Decanter, #324 of 2035 🔗


339743 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 3, #325 of 2035 🔗

I use facebook simply to post articles found here, like the Doshi one from the BMJ or the Roman Zielinski one.
I also post a lot of the anti-lockdown cartoons. My posts very rarely get banned and often get shared.
I don’t comment on sheeple’s posts. In fact, I don’t usually comment on the stuff I post.
I just put it out there and let people decide for themselves. At least it’s an alternative source of info for them.

338604 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Poppy, 14, #326 of 2035 🔗

Give up? Not on your sweet life.
But, Poppy, you are arguing rationally. Some sceptics now think it’s time we screamed and threw toys out of the pram. Can you turn your takents to that as well?

338653 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Poppy, 26, #327 of 2035 🔗

Thanks for this excellent, comprehensive statement. I agree entirely and suspect there are many more out there who do (I don’t believe the polling). I, too, was against the lockdown (and other overreactions) from the beginning and have lost most of my friends, but I cannot go along with this charade. Academic people are among the worst of the Covidians and I’ve never been so ashamed of working at a university.

I do hope that we will see more resistance this time, particularly as the economic impact increases and people begin to see that there’s no way out, even if they behave like good little children. The prospect of this continuing on indefinitely, in spite of the ‘magic vaccine’, should finally wake up more of the sheeple.

339194 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Tom in Scotland, 5, #328 of 2035 🔗

Long read from James Lindsay investigates — among other things — why highly educated, high status individuals are especially liable to cultist ‘pseudo-realities’.

Those who think Covidianism is a kind of cult may find it enlightening.


And this article confirms what most people here know: that pro-lockdown is irrationality regarded as more moral than anti-lockdown positions.


339254 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 3, #329 of 2035 🔗

Many thanks for these! I’d long suspected that the cult was linked into woke ideology and a sense of moral superiority based upon observations of my ‘colleagues’, among others. The articles shed more light upon all this. I suspect that many books will be written on this unfortunate episode. Indeed, there will be entire academic conferences.

339065 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Poppy, 10, #330 of 2035 🔗

The aversion to report anything positive – for example, the likelihood that asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic infection is negligible – is noticeable, unforgivable actually. As I lasted only a few months before being banned from Twitter (in pre-Covid times) YouTube comment threads have been my main outlet: from the outset there was a not insignificant number of people who can only be described as catastrophiles, ghouls seeming to relish hearing bad news and predicting worse. It’s a disturbing psychology.

339067 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Poppy, 16, #331 of 2035 🔗

Good, I think we have to up our game. Isn’t it interesting not one bbc interviewer ever asks, can you please show me evidence these idiotic lockdowns work? Can you show me how your policies are changing the death rate, who have you saved? If we assume your test policy is correct and millions of people have tested positive, why do these now immune people need vaccinations? And the best question, Chief Medical officer Whitty, why are you okay with people dying of cancer, heart disease, obesity, liver and lung disease, dementia and suicide? Did you not sign the do no harm form?

339375 ▶▶ JASA, replying to Poppy, 3, #332 of 2035 🔗

I totally agree Poppy. Another excellent post from you.

340379 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Poppy, #333 of 2035 🔗


Top woman. Been reading your thoughts since April

You are the future. You will step up.

And I will be with you.

338494 TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 10, #334 of 2035 🔗

An angry man in WH Smith.
Our branch of ‘Sniffs’ is closing down, what little stock there is on the shelves reduced by 50%.
Yesterday a youngish chap wanting to buy a pen and finding the shelves empty was raging against the notion that pens were not essential items (he’d obviously misread the situation). “Course pens are f***ing essential. I need one to write to Boris Johnson…”
Just one man who obviously isn’t in the habit of writing to politicians (or anyone else, I would hazard) driven to do so.
A straw in the wind?

As a complete aside, I wonder how many of us use a fountain pen. I do for a handwritten letter, or even to address and sign a printed one. I suspect we are not a representative sample of the population as a whole!

338524 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 4, #335 of 2035 🔗

The last time I used a fountain pen was to sign a document relating to my mothers death certificate 10 years ago.
The Registrar had a set of three in a fine presentation box of the kind used for duelling pistols.

338599 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 6, #336 of 2035 🔗

I once had to sign an affidavit. Solicitor had a gorgeous fountain pen that glided over the paper like a dream.Reminded me of what I’d been missing.

338495 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 15, #337 of 2035 🔗

Here’s more video footage of the ‘ordinary copper’ ‘not happy with what’s being asked of them.’ Watch the female copper from 2 minutes 12 seconds in. She is drunk with power, and frankly, looking at her eyes, she looks off her nut:


This type of copper is now your ‘ordinary copper’. They are *not* there for you. They are power-crazed tyrants.

338509 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to common conservative, 2, #338 of 2035 🔗

Who does she think she is, Jack Regan …

339012 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to common conservative, 3, #339 of 2035 🔗

The idea that it’s only police senior management that is the problem and that most ‘bobbies on the beat’ (mythical beasts for the last thirty years) are sound is just another of those comforting lies we tell ourselves. Romantic nostalgia about our armed forces is similarly misplaced. There isn’t a single institution in the country that isn’t rotten through and through.

339186 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to trevorpee, 1, #340 of 2035 🔗

Absolutely right, my friend.

338497 sceptic_teacher, replying to sceptic_teacher, 30, #341 of 2035 🔗

Something has to be done.
Schools to be closed until after the summer holidays?! When teachers have no greater rate of illness or death than in any other industry?
Distancing measures in place next Winter?
Surely now people will wake up and start to push back.
I am almost beginning to feel optimistic that people might. They have gone too far.

338501 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to sceptic_teacher, 16, #342 of 2035 🔗

If you believe the polls (I don’t), the sheeple applaud and want more. LD’s kill people but the Fake News which feeds the hysteria, will never report on that or many other salient facts and real science. All of these current measures are failures, they do nothing and now we allow these arselings to sacrifice the children. I already see psychological-anxiety issues in our children, worried to death and scared to death, and unable to play sports, and be normal functioning children. Child abuse.

338518 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FerdIII, 8, #343 of 2035 🔗

I have spoken with 4 random people this morning who, while wearing masks if required, all expressed a degree of scepticism and the two who mentioned the vaccine were both averse to taking it.

338597 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to karenovirus, 5, #344 of 2035 🔗

This is good, and why I don’t believe the polls. I had CV 19 and my family was unaffected though the Covidiots would have locked me up and probably killed me to save others (and the NHS). 99.7% of us survive. I obviously don’t need nor want the bloody vaxx. Neither does anyone in the family. But now the children are now being abused and frightened by the Covidian cult into testing, vaxxing, compliance. Sickening.

339020 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to FerdIII, 8, #345 of 2035 🔗

Spoke to a friend of mine, he chuntered on about 500 deaths. He then said shockingly two of my best mates had covid dah dah daaaah. And? What do you mean? Did they die? Oh no they were back at work after two days. Cor fuck me, just like the black death innit.

338744 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to sceptic_teacher, 6, #346 of 2035 🔗

I really don’t believe the polls re closing schools. There simply can’t be that high a proportion of people who think that sacrificing children’s education and social development is a good thing.

338505 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 22, #347 of 2035 🔗

Have not posted much over the festive season as I’ve taken advantage of the enforced closure to have a proper time off. Under normal circumstances I would have been working with at least 3 days’ off sandwiched between the working days.

Mr Bart and I have explored various parts of London and gone to various green spaces. Many of these spaces are found in affluent areas such as Chiswick, Hampstead, Richmond, Clapham and some part of Essex that I can’t remember. We’ve had interesting walks and it gave us also an opportunity to observe people in this area.

Many people were behaving normally – no masking, no social distancing, just happy being out and about especially as noting much else is open. But there were certainly some very brainwashed people out there – fully masked up, exaggeratedly swerving around others and generally looking very fearful. Many of them were the old who I suspect only get their news from the BBC and other MSM and possibly have been bullied by their children into wearing muzzles even if the first place they shouldn’t be wearing them.

I also mentioned to Mr Bart that there did seem to be an air of “I’m alright Jack” in some of the places we’ve been to and he replied of course, look at the houses, the people, they’re not the ones who are being affected by job losses and bankruptcy. Which is true but conversely we live in a not so good area with a high BAME population and they seem to be very much as brainwashed as the affluent in Hampstead or Chiswick.

Well done government, you’ve certainly done a sterling job in cowering a populace.

338530 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #348 of 2035 🔗

“These days, lockdown feels inevitable. It was, he reminds me, anything but. “If China had not done it,” he says, “the year would have been very different.””

“We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could.”

Perpetrator Neil Ferguson

338561 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark, 3, #349 of 2035 🔗

And that’s why people like him need to answer to what they have done to us.

338593 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #350 of 2035 🔗

Lamp post.

338603 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Annie, 2, #351 of 2035 🔗


338667 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 1, #352 of 2035 🔗


338703 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mark, 2, #353 of 2035 🔗

Day of the rope

338574 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #354 of 2035 🔗

“some part of Essex that I can’t remember”

Thanks Bart, that made me laugh! Good luck next week.

338670 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #355 of 2035 🔗

You’re welcome. I was laughing as I typed that – its still within a London borough but really can’t remember what it’s called now.

Thanks as well; fingers crossed.

339001 ▶▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #356 of 2035 🔗

Many parts of Essex are best not remembered. I should know as I live in one.

339036 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to trevorpee, 2, #357 of 2035 🔗

Our day trip last October to Colchester was one – ghastly people and being by the book about Covid “rules”. Don’t think will ever return even if the castle reopens to the way it was in 2019.

339096 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #358 of 2035 🔗

I don’t blame you. I’ve desperately wanted to support local businesses, pubs and restaurants refuse to even pretend to take part in any ‘safety’ pantomime. I’m so disappointed with the way that the private sector has rolled over.

338513 Ethelred the Unready, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 9, #359 of 2035 🔗

A left-wing coup d’etat happening in plain sight, with the tacit support of ‘the people’ , quite remarkable. The sign of a very weak willed Government and governing class

338515 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 6, #360 of 2035 🔗

Why would a left wing coup d’etat intend to deliver power to international business ?
It is a coup alright but not of the left.

338531 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to karenovirus, 8, #361 of 2035 🔗

It’s neither left or right. It’s Neo Feudalism

338528 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 2, #362 of 2035 🔗

Sage are NGO’s, its a coup and they’ve told Johnson its all about saving the planet

338685 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 3, #363 of 2035 🔗

The Neo Liberal Woke Party of Davos
Not the Left
Mass capitulation is coming from both sides

338998 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 1, #364 of 2035 🔗

Quite. And an even weaker populace.

338520 danny, replying to danny, 8, #365 of 2035 🔗

Trying to put together some posters to put at bus stops, park benches etc. Need to use the same idiotic propaganda tricks as the government, namely the rule of three slogans and wanted some help in getting it accurate.
want to avoid all divisive, confrontational or subjective talk that could be dismissed as aggressive or sensationalist. Just the facts ma’am.
Can anyone confirm a few facts for me please.
1) The current survival rate is, I believe 99.7% for anyone under 70, and around 95% over 70?
2) Average life expectancy with covid is higher than average life expectancy, around age 83?
3) The recent Chinese study found 0% asymptomatic infection in a study of how many people?
4) Any of the flu mortality figures over the last few years as a good comparison to now.
Or anything else along those lines.
Really appreciate any help or info you can send. Once I have collated it all, I will post a pic of the poster in case anyone has the same idea.

338526 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to danny, 3, #366 of 2035 🔗


338529 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to DanClarke, 1, #367 of 2035 🔗

Sorry, I’m not great on forums. Can you explain what you mean please? Imagine I’m a cabinet minister in the way you explain it!! Very slowly…

338535 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to danny, 2, #368 of 2035 🔗

Accept what they’re doing, comply with what they ask, end up in chains

338550 ▶▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to DanClarke, 1, #369 of 2035 🔗

Got it!
whilst I completely agree, that is not the angle I’m going for. However insane it might be, a majority of people have never even once questioned lockdowns. We have to at least try to push these facts out.

338551 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to danny, 2, #370 of 2035 🔗

That’s a great idea and those facts certainly look correct from what I’ve seen but others better informed than me will confirm I’m sure.

I’m struggling with a snappy tag line that doesn’t include – Lockdowns kill. I’m going to muse and come back and help if I can.

338565 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #371 of 2035 🔗

Great. Basically I need it watertight. If even one fact is wrong, then a local paper will run a story about the lies. Lockdown fanatics are all about belief. “I don’t know if your figures are right, but they can’t be because I FEEL that Covid is terrible”. The only way to beat that is to hammer those figures home repeatedly. I believe the earth is flat, well ok, let’s get in a boat and sail west and when we hit America, you may continue to mutter about how we are going to fall off the edge any moment, but will in the end have to face the reality of the land you are standing on. That is the approach I’m going for!
thanks for the help.

338944 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to danny, 2, #372 of 2035 🔗

How about –
Don’t be afraid; Know the facts; There’s a better way;

338610 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to danny, 3, #373 of 2035 🔗

Average age of coronavirus related death is 82.4.
Life expectancy is 81.
The virus is having zero effect on mortality.

338702 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to danny, 1, #374 of 2035 🔗

With regards to IFR this is the latest study published on the WHO website. It’s not always a straight forward number.

Results I included 61 studies (74 estimates) and eight preliminary national estimates. Seroprevalence estimates ranged from 0.02% to 53.40%. Infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 1.63%, corrected values from 0.00% to 1.54%. Across 51 locations, the median COVID-19 infection fatality rate was 0.27% (corrected 0.23%): the rate was 0.09% in locations with COVID-19 population mortality rates less than the global average (< 118 deaths/million), 0.20% in locations with 118–500 COVID-19 deaths/million people and 0.57% in locations with > 500 COVID-19 deaths/million people. In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.

339335 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Andrew K, #375 of 2035 🔗

Fantastic. Thanks very much.

338521 Northern Chubs, replying to Northern Chubs, 16, #376 of 2035 🔗

Whilst I am still grateful for the excellent data collection and analysis from Lockdown Sceptics, I find your capitulation to the idea that the vaccine is going to restore freedom as pretty weak-minded:

“Not surprising that the latest Covid hysteria has weakened the resolve of a number of sceptical MPs. All hope now seems to rest with the swift vaccination of the vulnerable.”

“All hope” is not in the vaccine, it is now and always has been in the people’s hands to protect their freedom. No politician will do it and no scientist will do it. Individually in our minds and collectively in our numbers can we stop the tyranny. Only MASS DISOBEDIENCE is our hope.

I understand that there could be action against the website authors if they were to promote protests and other methods of disobedience. This might not be something you want to expose yourselves too. But at what point are you going to say enough is enough?

The section above the one with the aforementioned quote, mentions that colossal cretin Witty saying that restrictions will probably be required next winter. Can’t you see? They are just preparing people’s minds for the obvious extension, as they have done multiple times already. It will never end! No vaccine will end it!

Anyone who isn’t corrupt and wants human freedom needs to immediately grow a spine and tell these immoral frauds to fuck off. Don’t give the polls a second thought, they are fabricated to demoralise you.

Start disobeying NOW!


338549 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Northern Chubs, 3, #377 of 2035 🔗

“I find your capitulation to the idea that the vaccine is going to restore freedom as pretty weak-minded”

Why? It’s the perfect response to “wear a mask”, and “stay at home” dictats. “No need any more. Go roll your sleeve up and receive your medicine, then you don’t have to worry what I do”.

338556 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #378 of 2035 🔗

Until the next respiratory virus comes along. Or perhaps more immediate, until a new variant of this one arises that evades these vaccines and we all have to hide again “until a new vaccine is available”.

This is the new reality the vaccines create, if they are seen as successful..

338571 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Mark, 1, #379 of 2035 🔗

How is it going to evade the vaccine, given that the effect may be largely placebo?

You go every year and you get a shot and it protects you. Just like with the flu. And then the wards are full of flu victims anyway.

It’s a shield of steel for those that believe in it. Just like a mask. Except they get to do it to themselves rather than forcing the restriction on you.

338651 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #380 of 2035 🔗

But only if that’s the result the authorities want. If they want to justify lockdown again, they point to the ongoing “cases” and whip up another wave of hysteria.

338552 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Northern Chubs, 6, #381 of 2035 🔗

“Not surprising that the latest Covid hysteria has weakened the resolve of a number of sceptical MPs. All hope now seems to rest with the swift vaccination of the vulnerable.”

I think the vaccines are a disaster – it enables the endgame, a dystopian scenario in which we lock down until the vaccines have supposedly “saved” us – months off at least, and that assumes there won’t be any problems with the vaccines and variants won’t pop up that evade the vaccines and require it all to be done again. And let’s face it, past failed experience with cold and flu vaccines shouldn’t inspire confidence in this regard.

Then we just repeat it all next time a new respiratory shows up.

As one of the main perpetrators Neil Ferguson arrogantly declared: ““ Nowadays, it is orthodoxy that lockdown was right. In the next pandemic, we won’t hesitate to use it .””

But in fairness to Will Jones writing that above the line, there are two possible interpretations that make it less naive. The first is that he is simply referring to “all hope” within the minds of the CRG group of MPs he was discussing. The second is that he meant it rather ironically and strictly limited to hope for ending the,current lockdown, without intending any great approval of it.

338594 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mark, #382 of 2035 🔗

I read it as ‘all hope’ referring to the CRG members, not more broadly.

338643 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Charlie Blue, #383 of 2035 🔗

That was my understanding of it as well.

338558 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Northern Chubs, 1, #384 of 2035 🔗

Exactly my thoughts this morning. Thank you. See my own post further below regarding “how can they get away with it”.

338677 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Northern Chubs, 1, #385 of 2035 🔗

Lots or resources here for lawful rebellion – including vaxx letters to send to any errant GP surgeries
Will need to amend for UK purposes but the gist is the same

338523 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #386 of 2035 🔗

Morning all

Just seen a sign locally about avian flu when driving. Didn’t read all of it. Bit worrying. Anyone know anything? All I can find is this.


CM x

338532 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #387 of 2035 🔗

It’s the next step in the grand plan. Stop people eating meat.
Remember the war on terror? Well people got wise to the scare stories, this is the same ruse. Only now we have (willingly it appears) given up our liberty for commu ist control

338548 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheBigman, 9, #388 of 2035 🔗

You’re right, this acceptance of veganism as being mainstream over the past couple of years. Another example of the cretinous binary assumptions now being made – vegan = worthy against non vegan = evil.

I eat what I need to be healthy, not some crap made on an industrial estate that bears no relation to actual food.

338692 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to kh1485, 4, #389 of 2035 🔗

I see this due to the WEF campaign.

I’ve just been in touch with family friends who are farmers and she said avian comes and goes, so I’m going to reserve joining the dots just for now.

338525 BTLnewbie, 5, #390 of 2035 🔗

Just checking the new legislation to make sure it’s still legal to meet my daughter and baby grandchild for a walk.
I discover that:
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 3) and (All Tiers) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2021 (the new law)
have amended
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (All Tiers) (England) Regulations 2020 (the old law)
The relevant section in the old law:
Sch 3A (Tier 4 Restrictions) Part 1 (restrictions on movement)
Para 2 (Exceptions – leaving home)
subsection 2 ( c) (iii) (taking exercise in a public outdoor space with one other person)
as clarified by
subsection 3 (b) ( child under 5 is excluded from the total)
is still applicable.
subsection (d) ( visiting a public outdoor place for the purposes of open air recreation)
has been deleted by
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 3) and (All Tiers) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2021
Para 3 (4) (a)
So – exercise YES but recreation NO. There must be a legal definition of the distinction but I can’t find it.
Glad I’ve got that sorted!     I’ll tell Mrs BTL that she will have to exercise somewhere else, but if it saves one life ……

338527 TheBigman, 16, #391 of 2035 🔗

So there is a high ranking communist advising govt via SAGE on lockdowns… Why do we not treat this scum like we do if they said they were a Nazi or some such.

No wonder Marxist racist group BLM getaway with flouting lockdown rules.

338540 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 8, #392 of 2035 🔗

“to vent her frustration that the new lockdown wasn’t modelled more closely on those imposed in Wuhan by the CCP”

To be fair to the Communists, they have a point.

We either do China, New Zealand and Australia. Or we do Sweden.

Adding them together and trying to do the average – in the belief that will satisfy both sides – is delusional and won’t work.

Either imprison the population properly – including closing the borders and upsetting the ‘open borders’ lobby – or set the population free and stand the consequences (which up until a year ago used to be called ‘life’).

338600 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lucan Grey, 9, #393 of 2035 🔗

Lockdowns don’t really work anywhere. I don’t think we should be entertaining the idea of doing them at all. You can’t control a respiratory virus and should instead focus on protecting the most vulnerable as much as possible (though this will not be perfect and we must ‘grow up’ and start coming to terms with the fact that no one is immortal.

Regarding Michie and Ferguson (among others) praising the approach of the Chinese government, academic people in a (former) democracy should never be saying anything positive about imitating the procedures of a deeply authoritarian country with a horrendous human rights record. What China does to its own people is disgraceful. As someone working at a British university, I find what some academic people say about the Chinese approach to be deeply shameful and wish that academics would oppose this kind of nonsense. We have, at least temporarily, lost our liberal democracy here in the UK and people should be made aware of this. Lord Sumption’s speech for Cambridge University (27 October) should have been a wake-up call, but few people were paying attention.

338676 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #394 of 2035 🔗

I read or heard somewhere that NZ banned anti-gen tests in Feb. They probably didn’t want the world to know they had the virus much more then they wanted the world to find out.

338768 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Andrew K, 3, #395 of 2035 🔗

I can’t wait to see Horse face get Corona’d the minute (s)he opens up the country

338729 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #396 of 2035 🔗

What is the point of doing a NZ? Even if it is possible to prevent covid ever getting to an island, it’s only possible by remaining hermitically sealed from the rest of the world forever. And that’s not as easy as it sounds. It’s not just ‘not having tourists’. It’s not allowing ex-pats to visit to meet their families. It’s not allowing any imports of any type. It’s simply not possible, and even if it was, not remotely desirable. NZ will fall when they reach their autumn in a few months. As soon as night follows day. .

338796 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to kenadams, 6, #397 of 2035 🔗

Yes, NZ is really in trouble. I suspect that they could start seeing ‘cases’ in Auckland fairly soon, as has happened in New South Wales and South Africa, so even now, in the southern summer, it would not surprise me if NZ and Australia end up locking down again as early as later this month and just stay shut until September. That would wipe the smugness off their precious faces. The Kiwis might actually wake up and start to question their woke dictator Jacinda’s decisions. I’ve been to NZ several times and have done research there, interviewing several politicians, and I’ve never been so disappointed with the country and the people. Such a shame.

338989 ▶▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #398 of 2035 🔗

Wasn’t NZ an early adopter of PC nonsense? I seem to recall it was dubbed Clarkistan at one time after the then Top Banana who was a real zealot.

338542 Edmund Mortimer, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 41, #399 of 2035 🔗

I just received an e-mail from a friend asking me to support a petition to allow pubs to serve alcoholic drinks in sealed containers. My reply:

It would be better if the pointless lockdown ended completely. I see this as a pathetic plea for a crumb, when the real issue is the general deprivation of liberty. All the evidence shows (quite rigorously, by the way, using standard statistical methods) that severity of lockdown in countries that already have the virus in the population (i.e., excluding isolated and closed countries like NZ) has no correlation with severity of the disease. Even if lockdowns did help, prudence demands a cost-benefit analysis, weighing deaths from lack of cancer treatment and suicides from loss of business and loneliness against life-years saved by protection against virus infection. But lockdowns don’t help. Not one tiny bit. My contribution so far (small, I admit) has been to sign petitions against the lockdown, refuse to wear a mask (masks don’t help, and can actually concentrate viral particles so that they are re-breathed), give money to anti-lockdown campaigns, and starting this week I will be distributing leaflets door to door.

The lockdown is an existential crisis for Western values. It attacks the rights of free movement, free association, free speech, and private enterprise. It comes at a time when other threats to the West have reached dangerous levels, in particular the attacks on historical truth, biological truth, and individual versus group rights from Black Lives Matter and trans-gender activists.

338554 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Edmund Mortimer, -4, #400 of 2035 🔗

Edmund, I agree with everything you say until the last tiny bit – please stop dragging in other things which have the potential to dilute your message.

338580 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bungle, 5, #401 of 2035 🔗

Still trying to ensure things you disagree with are not said anywhere, by anyone, Bungle?

I’ll wager if he’d put some lefty boilerplate about “right wingers”, “capitalists” or “racists” there instead, you’d not have had any problem with it being a “dilution”.

338736 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Bungle, 3, #402 of 2035 🔗

I agree. It’s true that trans rights and BLM is bollocks of course, but there’s no reason to put it it, because it just get’s people’s backs up. Stick entirely and only to covid.

338566 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 2, #403 of 2035 🔗

Wow and brilliant. I hope you don’t mind but I’m copying that to use in my Truth-telling crusade as I certainly could not have summed up this whole shit show so eloquently.

338581 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 4, #404 of 2035 🔗

Yes, what an unambitious goal and one which accepts the exiting framework of Madness in the first place. There is lots of stupidity in the rules, like golf courses shut but garden centres not. I prefer to challenge the whole lot at once since it is ALL ridiculous.

338545 Geraint, replying to Geraint, 4, #405 of 2035 🔗

Well played Toby, last night

338547 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Geraint, 6, #406 of 2035 🔗

Toby told her he was wrong when he wasn’t – I would have blasted her into the night sky!!!

338569 ▶▶▶ Geraint, replying to Bungle, #407 of 2035 🔗

Aye – the sheeple do need a bigger hiding than they are currently suffering….from the sane few

338582 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Geraint, 4, #408 of 2035 🔗

Just watched it but I found it hard to tolerate the presenter. Toby fought a great fight and was good at brushing aside attempts to interrupt him and close him down. He was firm but polite, which I think is more effective than James Delingpole’s style of argumentation (displayed recently in discussions with Toby) of contumely and contempt. Much though I love James.

338618 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 7, #409 of 2035 🔗

Mate-less is just the worst interviewer. She always picks the wrong side of the argument and then argues as if she was an expert interviewee. Random interjections such as “no it isn’t”, while Toby tried to answer her questions. Typical woke idiot, instinctively covering her ears so she doesn’t hear wrong-think. A true enemy to civilisation.

338663 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Geraint, 1, #410 of 2035 🔗

Nah – he got Pwned

338546 robnicholson, replying to robnicholson, 12, #411 of 2035 🔗

>Stop Press 2: Depressingly, a snap poll showed just 9% of the population oppose the lockdown while 79% support it.

Whilst 79% may support it, the overwhelming feeling within my friends is that they’ve had enough. So I would suggest that this support for lockdown is very brittle.

338568 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to robnicholson, 6, #412 of 2035 🔗

I think people ‘aspire’ to the lockdown thinking it’s the right thing to do but in reality they just can’t adhere to it. It’s like dieting (!), we all want to be slim but the day to day reality is many of us eat and drink a little too much and end up carrying a bit too much weight. Even though we WANT to be slim.

338575 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #413 of 2035 🔗

Quite a good analogy I think. Sadly people don’t want to be seen as not wanting what’s “right”, so they are happy to shame any who openly say they don’t care any more….

338583 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to robnicholson, 7, #414 of 2035 🔗

Don’t believe polls, they’ve been fixed, ‘what answer do you want’ for years

338584 ▶▶ winstonthatcher, replying to robnicholson, 12, #415 of 2035 🔗

I managed to get a haircut on Monday evening before the latest lockdown version release.
My barber was moaning about how it was inevitable as all the idiots were breaking the rules and couldn’t be trusted. She was very supportive of the lockdown being strengthened. She then told me without irony, how she had met up with her extended family on Boxing Day.
People support it and then subtly ignore it when they feel like it. Its a recipe for indefinite lockdown unfortuantely…

339156 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to winstonthatcher, 1, #416 of 2035 🔗

Seems like a “think of the dumbest person you know and then remember half the population is even dumber” situation…

338607 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to robnicholson, 5, #417 of 2035 🔗

The problem is that they support the lockdown because they erroneously believe two things: Covid is a huge problem and lockdown helps solve that problem. They are not properly informed, or rather they have been deliberately misinformed by the government and the media.

338625 ▶▶▶ robnicholson, replying to Achilles, 1, #418 of 2035 🔗

People reading this of course agree. We’re not the problem. But as that article posted a few days clearly shows (and is the biggest revelation to hit me recently), they don’t response to facts and figures, they are taking the moral high ground and this is all about saving granny. So yes they’ve been misinformed but trying to correct that with more factual information alone is going to fall.

The spin needs to be emotional. Even LDS hasn’t got that message. I’ve just scanned todays newsletter and there are graph after graph showing why the data is flawed. Fine but we need emotional sound bits, not graphs.

338977 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to robnicholson, 4, #419 of 2035 🔗

They, the msm have used emotional blackmail from day one. Death is knocking at your door, keep granny safe. This is psychological, no amount of graphs will counter this. So when people say save granny, I say, ah! but which granny? You are okay for the ones screaming in pain with cancer to die, you are okay with granny sitting at home alobe terrified as she has a heart attack with no help. But save the 85 year old with covid well one out of three ain’t bad!

338991 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to robnicholson, 1, #420 of 2035 🔗

What was the question? If its; do you support lockdown or are you happy to watch children die because of the mutant virus. Stopped believing polls when they said Comrade Corbyn would be our new leader.

338555 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #421 of 2035 🔗

Traffic news on TR reporting several jams and tailbacks on motorways: TOTAL LOCKDOWN?????

338564 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #422 of 2035 🔗

Haha saw this just as I posted my comment above. This lockdown is NOT being observed.

I would need to see statistical evidence but the anecdotal is that everyone from police, doctors, teachers, and wider population are just exhausted with it all.

338739 ▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #423 of 2035 🔗

I agree – people are out and about and non compliance is pretty high – just need someone like weatherspoons to open up and edifice would crumble. I strongly suspect school attendance under “key worker” is a lot higher than previously too.

338724 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #424 of 2035 🔗

The north circ and M11 near my house are pretty much as busy as normal. Even people who say they believe in this, don’t anymore. Judge people by actions not words.

338783 ▶▶ davews, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #425 of 2035 🔗

The A329 by here was its normal busy self this morning.
(that was on my first of at least two daily exercises…)

338949 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #426 of 2035 🔗

My daughter went to work in Chelmsford at a car dealership and was expecting to be shut down. Her boss said fuck it, let’s stay open till they close us down. They service police vehicles so they are not invisible.

338557 jhfreedom, 4, #427 of 2035 🔗

National College of Policing guidelines for the latest lockdown will probably appear here today (site being updated as I type):

Persons | College of Policing

What will be interesting to see is the police approach to the ‘rules’. As I’ve stated before, guidelines are often stricter than underlying legislation. Understanding the latter could lead to a more bearable lockdown than the guidelines and media would have you believe.

That aside, I am seeing a lot of evidence of non-compliance (loads of cars around and people in parks / woods etc.) and I suspect the police are knackered and absent per Ken Marsh’s (Police Federation) comments yesterday.

338563 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #428 of 2035 🔗

I get the impression the the Government now want to move on, they have got the 26th UN Climate Change Conference of the Parties (COP26) coming up in November and fresh from his triumph on conquering covid in the UK, Boris will want to be at that conference as the hero of the climate change movement. Boris does not have many attributes but he is ambitious and power hungry.Having softened us up with this very convenient virus hoo-haa we will next be clobbered with climate change. Whole housing areas are likely to have their gas supplies turned off as we are forced to switch to heat pumps. If that leaves your house cold, well never mind you will be used to the cold having sat with your window open to blow the covid away!

We may well see road pricing introduced with all cars having to be fitted with road pricing technology with the rates for petrol & diesel cars being very high to force them off the road. We may have to accept that many people on lower incomes will no longer be able to own a car but will be dependent on community/public transport or will just to stay home forever as you are all so used to it by now!

Will the lock-down end? yes probably and in time for Boris to garner loads of votes in the May elections. But after that I rather feel that having softened us up; all sorts of stuff will start to get rolled out ………. you ain’t seen nothing yet.

338576 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #429 of 2035 🔗

This is like fighting two wars in two years. How will it be paid for? I won’t get into the intricacies of quantitative easing here, but there is a consensus that it can’t be relied on entirely. A wealth tax is surely inevitable. Fine, many of you will say, but if you over-tax the rich they will spend less in the economy and find other places to live. I suspect there will be some pragmatism. The pumps won’t stop selling fossil fuels in 2030, it just applies to new cars. And existing boilers will go on for some time. It’s new sales that will end soon. Often this aspirational stuff just gets stuck in reality.

338578 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #430 of 2035 🔗

They cancelled the elections last year. What makes you think they will hold elections this year?

338591 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #431 of 2035 🔗

Apparently on the 1922 Zoom call last night he was asked about the May elections – and could not guarantee they would go ahead. Not sure Farage et al will get their act together, and Farage seems to have teamed up with Blair on the vaccine roll out (pretty ominous). What’s the point in voting as all routes lead to the same outcome – destruction of liberal western democracy.

338751 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #432 of 2035 🔗

No fan of Farage but getting Blair front and centre is genius
The man is literally Dr Death and any sane person will do the opposite

338829 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #433 of 2035 🔗

Yes, as a lecturer in politics, I have been wondering about this. The Scottish Parliament (and other devolved-body) elections could be cancelled or postponed by Westminster, but it would take new legislation there to do it because electoral matters in Scotland were recently devolved. It would be an almighty shitshow, with our Dear Leader wailing and griping (even more of the grievance narrative, though this time it would be justified), and I think it would help put the final nail in the coffin of our UK union. We’ll see what happens.

There’s really no strong justification for postponing elections. Other countries have managed it recently and you can make it mainly postal (yes, I’m aware of the potential for fraud). There would be a bit of a problem for opposition parties as well, with so much of our campaining still based on door-to-door work and rallies (even in this digital age), but I think it would be far worse to postpone these elections, particularly with many English local elections already postponed from last year. Our liberal democracy is really screwed here – look at Lord Sumption’s 27 October speech for Cambridge University – and we should resist any more of this authoritarianism.

338588 nickbowes, 9, #434 of 2035 🔗

I was glad to find the roads this morning around and about Co Durham fairly busy – slow traffic, but that was due to the unexpected snow not forecasted by bbc weather.

I imagine many are out and about fixing last minute childcare. I m off with my little un on Friday and I intend to visit a parky Saltburn for  a pleasant stroll on the beach and fish n chips (is that allowed ?)

I bet play parks are busy today with all those kids starting on another two month hol !!

The more rules they put in place, the less we take notice, and despite these constant “rigged” polls saying 80% love lockdowns, i m not sure in practice that is the reality.

338596 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 19, #435 of 2035 🔗

So if Whitty is warning about next winter I taken it therefore he has confirmed the virus is endemic and seasonal otherwise how else would he know? From that supposition he must also admit that social distancing, masks, etc. in summer will be nonsensical.

Secondly. It is now January. A winter spike will not start until September at the very earliest. That is 9 months away. That is more than enough time for the government to draw up sufficient emergency health care plans, surge capacity, etc. to reasonably deal with a problem next winter without the need for any lockdown measures. In fact it will have been nearly 2 years for them to develop such plans. If we are forced to lock down again next winter then that is clearly a failure of their administration and Matt Hancock must resign.

338711 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Achilles, 2, #436 of 2035 🔗

Let’s hope that Hancock has gone before then!

339264 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Achilles, 1, #437 of 2035 🔗

Hancock should have resigned every single day for the last nine months.

338598 mojo, 9, #438 of 2035 🔗

It seems to me the government’s propaganda arm are locking out all sensible knowledge. This is now moving to such a dangerous situation we cannot rely on MPs, many of whom have no idea what’s going on in their constituencies because they are not out there talking to people and looking for themselves.

At the beginning of all despotic regimes people are told their government is looking after the safety of the nation. Then they close down the alternative voices, many of whom are the elderly with experience and many who have experience in caring for the elderly.

we are walking towards total control of a nation and the deadly shutting down of its experienced and knowledgeable elderly.

338601 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 10, #439 of 2035 🔗

London Calling

I don’t know if this has been flagged up yet but I listened last night to the latest episode in which Toby and James Delingpole were supposed to be having a truce after a couple of previously ill tempered disagreements.

However the truce broke again and I thought this time the divisions were more profound than the previous cock up verses conspiracy theory. This time Toby went as far as to call Delingpole a ‘covid denier’…surely the kind of language you would not expect a lockdown sceptic to use. Toby is a fairly orthodox Tory and much closer to the establishment than James and yet seemed not to be aware that MPs like the supposed rebel ‘Steve Baker’ had gone over to the other side and had been maybe bought off.

For the first time I stated to get the impression that Toby was shifting his position and was starting to move over to the other side himself. Delingpole’s exasperation with him was palpable….he ended up saying to him…’whatever Toby……just get on with the show’

Is the new winter lockdown starting to crack up the anti lockdown position?

338609 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #440 of 2035 🔗

Hopefully not but you never know. A few friends were sceptical during the summer and autumn but now with excessive fear propagnda, they are now back to chin wobbling. All perfectly healthy people in their 30’s.

338624 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #441 of 2035 🔗

Yes I have noticed this too. Its the old being like a cushion and bearing the impression of the last person that sat on you.

338698 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #442 of 2035 🔗

Covid Denier really does say a lot about the person who uses the phrase and their world view. Obviously is is a label that has deveolped from the tern Holocaust Denier.

In my opinion is is as stupid a phrase as bedwetter.

338758 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Basics, 9, #443 of 2035 🔗

Yes I was disturbed to hear him using it. I suspect that the level of hysteria is such now that Toby fears he will lose his career in the mainstream media if he does not make some genuflections to covid orthodoxy. Delingpole,by contrast,has long ago been sent out into the wilderness and thus does not care a jot for what he says.

338746 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #444 of 2035 🔗

Covid denier is the new climate change denier.
(not Holocaust as there ARE actual deniers)
No sane person denies Climate change – the causes are up for dispute

339322 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #445 of 2035 🔗

What Climate Change?

338602 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 38, #446 of 2035 🔗

Sarah Vine: “In a howl of fury … : No one gets a second childhood. Why must THEY pay the price for the virus?”

I would suggest, Ms Vine, that they are not paying the price “for the virus”, they are paying the price for the government’s criminal response to it. Perhaps you should save your “howl of fury” for your husband for his complicity in all this.

338614 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to kh1485, 7, #447 of 2035 🔗

Are they still married. She seems to put out an article straight after her husband’s policies have been enacted (and he is very much driving the show, aided by Hancock) effectively slating it.

338637 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #448 of 2035 🔗

I presumed so … However, I noticed one article of hers – about the suspended Eton school master – where a particular phrase she used about her husband was noticable in its lack of warmth.

338683 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 1, #449 of 2035 🔗

Oh come on, do you recall the phrase??

These little snippets can be very revealing – so good spot if it adds up, and by TT.

338700 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 3, #450 of 2035 🔗

Well, iirc, she was remarking on how supportive the Eton schoolmaster’s wife was and how abundantly clear it was that she loved him. She then compared this with her own situation about being married to someone in the public eye and about when someone you are ‘fond of’ (I think that was the term she used) is attacked.

Now, if that were me, talking about my husband, I wouldn’t say I was fond of him, especially if I had just remarked about another woman ‘loving’ her husband. To me, (perhaps I am seeing Reds under the bed here) it was just an odd word to use.

338722 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 8, #451 of 2035 🔗

I see – there is definitely a sense of equivocation there. An instinctive choice of particular words can reveal a lot.

Whenever I see or hear Gove nowadays I get the sense of a man who is divorced from all kind of human reality. Drunk on power or his own self importance? I don’t know, but there’s something very odd about him, which wasn’t there back in the Brexit campaign days.

338749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to TJN, 3, #452 of 2035 🔗

The authoritarian tendencies must always have been there, but these days he puts me in mind of Robespierre.

338764 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #453 of 2035 🔗

Well lets hope he comes to the same end!

338760 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 2, #454 of 2035 🔗

He strikes me as someone who is very pleased with himself. The type of person who would mock someone for not being his intellectual equal.

339219 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, #455 of 2035 🔗

I suspect Dermot McC is correct: those nasty authoritarian tendencies most have been there all along.

338763 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to TJN, #456 of 2035 🔗
339199 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #457 of 2035 🔗

Yes, although I’d trust someone who took cocaine more than a serial philanderer ‘family man’ like Johnson.

I do like your political insights, although we’ve both been wrong on both the political and the economic limits of this shitshow. Politically there appears to be no opposition and barely even critical commentary.

Economically we seem to be in a nether-land in which the government can just keep printing money to finance whatever it wants. But at what point do we hit the limits? Like you, I thought by last autumn the bills would have started to come due. But here we are. I guess it’s a massive economic experiment: how long can a country keep on printing money before something gives?

338666 ▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 4, #458 of 2035 🔗

Good point. We should always be on guard for this “blame the virus, excuse the response” trope slipping into the discourse.

I don’t know much about Vine’s politics or personal philosophy, but Gove is clearly unstable and is betraying everything most who might have supported him ever stood for (apart perhaps from a few authoritarian psychopaths).in pursuit of the exercise of personal power. That could certainly put a strain on a marriage, if the other partner is not as cynical.

338688 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mark, 2, #459 of 2035 🔗

Yes, Gove appears to be a major problem. And Liar Johnson seems incapable of standing up to him, for more than about 24 hours anyway.

338691 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 3, #460 of 2035 🔗

Exactly, why isn’t she tearing him a new one day in day out? Divorce looming?

338712 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 5, #461 of 2035 🔗

No one gets a second childhood

From their fear of the ‘bogey virus’ to their touching faith in the ‘fairy dust’ vaccine, and their unstinting belief that hiding away in their bedroon will make everything allright, I would say the entire government, indeed most of the nation is having a second childhood.

338861 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Old Bill, 1, #462 of 2035 🔗

Infancy. Can’t get beyond the dummy gah-gah stage. The word for such people used to be ‘cretins’.

338605 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 6, #463 of 2035 🔗

Latest ONS weekly death rates just out. Numbers are up on last year for last week but affected by bank holidays.
When you look at the past 8 weeks versus the first 8 weeks of 2020 pre Covid (although I know it was out there in Jan and Feb but not tracked), stats are 98183 versus 95541 in Jan and Feb.
So up less than 3000 over 8 weeks from what 60 million people?
Kind of shows that the amount of panic, lockdown etc is massively out of kilter with the numbers.

338646 ▶▶ Annie, replying to John Ballard, 2, #464 of 2035 🔗

Does Death take time off on bank holidays? If so, does he then do overtime to catch up?

338660 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 6, #465 of 2035 🔗

Tomb and a half?

338669 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #466 of 2035 🔗

Deaths in lieu.

338708 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, #467 of 2035 🔗

The ONS figures are complied from registered deaths, which means bank holidays cause slight delays, effectively moving some deaths from one week to another.

338611 robnicholson, replying to robnicholson, 7, #468 of 2035 🔗

I as trying to explain to a friend that the excess death rate won’t disappear entirely over the next three months due to the vaccine. I was trying to get the point across that a big percentage of those who have died would sadly have died anyway and the “from Covid” vs “with Covid” distinction. The vaccine is not going to magically cure them of their other underlying conditions and that a lot of people die every day. Heavens knows how that’s going to be reported – they’ll still test positive for Covid as it doesn’t stop you picking it up.

So I trying to set the scene for the next doom & gloom articles from the MSN that the vaccine isn’t working. People expectations seem a little high.

About the only positive I could find was that excess deaths in 2021 should be down in the 5 year average because sadly many who would have died this year, passed in 2020.

But I struggled to get this point across. Needed sound biting!

338656 ▶▶ clem, replying to robnicholson, 4, #469 of 2035 🔗

Exactly the same here. Even vaccinated people will still show positive for a PCR test, from what I can tell from what’s been published, it’s just the symptoms that aren’t as severe.

So unless there’s a policy change and we keep insiting of testing as many people as possible, nothing will change.

I’m trying to tell people that but they don’t want to hear it, the vaccine will save us all and get us back to normal.

338690 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to robnicholson, 3, #470 of 2035 🔗

“Sadly died”. As coined by another contributor here (sorry don’t remember who), the new verb is “ to sadlidie”. That did amuse me.
On a more serious note, you are spot on. People have forgotten that end of life is inevitable for us all. Elderly with other frailties will be picked off by whatever nasty infection is going the rounds. It’s a dreadful shame for those involved but we can’t invent immortality.

338613 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 15, #471 of 2035 🔗

Parliament and No.10 are now out of a job. They are totally superfluous as Whitty and Vallance are running the country.

338617 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #472 of 2035 🔗

Or, ruining it.

338642 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #473 of 2035 🔗

That’s my guess – PM has dug himself into a hole he doesn’t know how to get out of, or knows but lacks the balls to do it

338659 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #474 of 2035 🔗

Medical tyranny
That’s why they have allowed to transgingers to run riot through the schools
Groomers all

338684 ▶▶ George L, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #475 of 2035 🔗

True in a sense, but other powers have their hands on the tiller steering the UK towards the rocks of destruction..

338619 Brett_McS, replying to Brett_McS, 6, #476 of 2035 🔗

Can someone explain why people with no symptoms are getting tested for Covid?

338626 ▶▶ George L, replying to Brett_McS, 4, #477 of 2035 🔗

You can’t fix stupid.. simple really!

338630 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Brett_McS, 5, #478 of 2035 🔗

Because you need lots of positive tests to keep the proles scared. Positive tests don’t grown on trees, you know? Or maybe they do… i know fruit can also test positive, so there is that.

338686 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #479 of 2035 🔗

Positive tests don’t grown on trees, you know? Or maybe they do… i know fruit can also test positive

Then there is money – also grows on trees and is a terrible disease carrier.(Unless you have shed loads of it of course then it is completely harmless. Is that a form of herd immunity?)

338631 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Brett_McS, 2, #480 of 2035 🔗

I think some care home staff have to get tested whether they show symptoms or not so that they can go to work. Im sure there are other employers doing the same.

338652 ▶▶ robnicholson, replying to Brett_McS, 4, #481 of 2035 🔗

Simply: so they can ascertain whether they have it without knowing and therefore are a risk of infecting others. It’s usually triggered either by a requirement of the job or they’ve been in close contact recently with somebody who has recently tested postive.

Example just yesterday from two neighbours who live on the square. Their daughter tested positive a few days ago so they got tested. They are clear but still have to self-isolate just in case they develop symptoms.

Sounds all very reasonable on the surface doesn’t it but peel away the layers and the problems jump right out. It’s the reason why hospitals ICU are struggling – it’s not a lack of beds, it’s a lack of staff because >30% are currently healthy and self-isolating.

I’d love to know what percentage have had to self-isolate and never develop Covid. From personal experience I’d suspect it’s VERY high, like over 90% if not higher. I can’t think of anyone personally who has come down with Covid when self-isolating due to the “just in case” requirement.

338678 ▶▶ mj, replying to Brett_McS, 3, #482 of 2035 🔗

many are morons who follow the “guidelines” from national and local government to get a test even if you are asymptomatic or just have a sniffle.
many are those that have been told they need a negative test to get a kid back into school.
many are those that are tested routinely on admission to hospital or because they work in those locations

but all in all it still adds up to additional testing providing addition “positives” which become “cases” which drives this whole shit show

338687 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Brett_McS, 2, #483 of 2035 🔗

In some areas the police as writing to people to get tested. People being people often do what police say.

339017 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Brett_McS, 1, #484 of 2035 🔗

It’s a casedemic – with a few colds thrown into the mix

338621 George L, 2, #485 of 2035 🔗

Someone wants to silence Toby.. he’s on the list..

The scales are slowly shedding to unveil the true nature of the beast..


338634 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 34, #486 of 2035 🔗

Just found out last night that one of my in-laws is deeply skeptical and has now been ganged up on by the rest of the family for her ”conspiracy theories”. I messaged her and told her I have her back and if she ever wants a chat or even come over she ca. She was really surprised and said nobody in my wife family (there is a lot of them) thinks I’m a sceptic. My wife also told her mother that neither she, myself or my daughter will be taking a vaccine. Apparently my MIL did not know what to say and was in complete shock. She tried with ”but I want to hug my grandchild” spiel but my wife told her she can do than anytime she wants. Did not go down well. My wife was a complete lockdown fanatic but in the last couple of months she is coming to the DaRK sIDE.

338673 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #487 of 2035 🔗

She was really surprised and said nobody in my wife family (there is a lot of them) thinks I’m a sceptic . “

Sounds like you haven’t been making enough noise…

In fairness, usually keeping politics out of family life is a virtue.

338682 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Mark, 5, #488 of 2035 🔗

Well, I have been posting and been really loud about this since April …but I guess people are just not really that interested in what I have to say 🙂 I have lost friends and my parent think I’m a nutcase, but silver linings 🙂

338695 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Mark, 9, #489 of 2035 🔗

Keeping politics out of everything is normally a virtue. I can’t stand how politicised everything has become in the past 5 years or so. Sports taking the knee, BLM everywhere as if it’s a neutral ting that no-one could object to, the entirety of the BBC’s output including even the Vicar of Bloody Dibley.

338737 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kenadams, 4, #490 of 2035 🔗

I agree with this entirely. Absolutely everything is becoming politicised. Same in the U.S. by all accounts.

338851 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #491 of 2035 🔗

Yes, I was going to say that we are, unfortunately, following the US, which is far worse. I grew up there and my stepfather has been saying for years that he expects a civil war. I did not believe him until 2020.

338995 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to kenadams, 2, #492 of 2035 🔗

The more the government interferes in everyday life, the less viable it is to ignore politics.

338732 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Mark, #493 of 2035 🔗

Unfortunately it’s what I have to do to get by, Mark. Not politics in general, but certainly covid politics.

338994 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #494 of 2035 🔗

NP, I did say “usually”. We are not in normal times.

339018 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Mark, #495 of 2035 🔗

Many thanks for your further explanation.

338635 Annie, replying to Annie, 36, #496 of 2035 🔗

Awoke this morning in fear and trembling.
Dentist. (This is Wales, where by some curious oversight dentists are still operating).
Not scared of dentist. Scared of what will happen when I turn up without face knickers.
Needn’t have worried. Dentist and receptionists full-on sceptics. Wear knickers because the Politburo would close them down if they didn’t. Receptionist lamented effect on her skin.Told her, truthfully, that from what I could see, she obviously had a lovely natural complexion and what a pity to spoil it. And why didn’t they get together with other professionals and resist? (Forlorn hope? But I always say it if I get the chance.)
Xray turned up a filling. Another appointment. Shan’t fear this one (if it comes off). A drill is nothing, nothing like as ghastly as face knickers.
Celebrated by destroying three Covvinotices that had been bugging me for months. They are getting brittle and easy to demolish.
And, hooray! somebody, I know not who, has stripped the repulsive s.d. billboards from the town centre. Either I have secret allies, or the council decided that the boards were too convenient for the Phantom Stickerer.
Oh, and it’s a simply glorious morning.
Keep fighting, friends!

338672 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 2, #497 of 2035 🔗

I’d rather gave a filling with no injection that wear a muzzle. Really.

Funnily enough, the dentist has never bothered me (except the bill). But I’ve always dreaded dealing with doctors – something instinctive which I can’t really explain.

338689 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Annie, 5, #498 of 2035 🔗

Not directly relevant, but I got my first filling about 5 years ago. The dentist warned me it would hurt as it was quite deep, but that I could try and do it without local anaesthetic. As I hate needles etc, I decided to go without anaesthetic. That was definitely not one of my wisest decisions. It was genuine agony. I know I could have stopped them and asked them to give me the anaesthetic, but I was too proud to say so! If I ever need another one, not making that mistake again…

338705 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kenadams, 3, #499 of 2035 🔗

And the injection wasn’t that bad, was it? At least you know for next time, Ken. One of my patients never, ever had injections, even for root canal- he seemed to have a switch in his head which he used to turn the pain off. Absolutely unbelievable, you had to be there to witness it- and in fact nobody used to believe me when I told them about him.

338728 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kenadams, 3, #500 of 2035 🔗

If you hate needles, you can ask the dentist to put numbing gel on first. Sounds a bit wussy, I know, but I needed five injections in quick succession and I was bloody grateful that the dentist offered this to me.

339078 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, 4, #501 of 2035 🔗

Far more effective than topical gel is to get yr. dentist to put a really tiny few drops in place first, wait for them to work, then be amazed when you don’t feel a single thing when all the rest is put in. I always used to do this, and nervous patients reacted as if I’d invented time travel or something. Many asked if I’d actually given the injection. None of my colleagues would do it, though- said it “wastes time”. I don’t miss dentistry. Nor do I miss most of my colleagues.

339164 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #502 of 2035 🔗

Never thought of that. I suppose dentists who understand fear are rare, that’s why your patients were so thankful.

340211 ▶▶▶▶ mouser, replying to kh1485, #503 of 2035 🔗

you can purchase Orajel Dental Gel which numbs your gums & is good for toothace from Amazon or pharmacies.

339163 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kenadams, 2, #504 of 2035 🔗

Unless it’s a really deep filling I don’t generally have an injection. That’s back when we used to have dentistry.

338715 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 6, #505 of 2035 🔗

All my colleagues are full-on zealots, even in private. Very disappointing. Still, their attitude to CV is the least of their problems- many dental practices will not survive this. Thank Christ I’m retired.

338876 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 2, #506 of 2035 🔗

Yep lost a filling to Brazil nut toffee and had to pay a visit. Both dentists and assistant in hazmat suits. Could not understand a word the girl was saying in her mask so she took it off to speak to me. No problem with me being exempt but they have to be careful of the prying eyes from outside so just closed the blinds. Nobody else in the waiting room as the next client had to wait in his car in the car park till I was finished and he was called.

338636 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #507 of 2035 🔗

Logic? British nationals stopped at Dutch borders.

“Since January 1st 2021, we refused entry to more than 30 British travellers during border controls at Schiphol and Hoek van Holland. They wanted to make an unnecessary journey, despite the travel restrictions imposed.”

“If you are a national of an EU member state or Schengen country, you can travel to the Netherlands. It does not matter what the purpose of your journey is. Your family members can travel with you.”

But according to the above Dutch rule anybody with a EU country passport and an EU national can enter Netherlands which would include EU citizen resident in the mutant virus infested country,UK. As usual exceptions for essentials like truck drivers etc,cross border workers etc.

The whole thing is a complete nonsense. If you are not North Korea with closed borders or islands like New Zealand, you can never shut yourself out from the virus and NK and NZ will get the virus in the end.



338640 ▶▶ Annie, replying to swedenborg, 4, #508 of 2035 🔗

The Dutch obviously need to open the sluice gates at Flushing, or maybe flush the sluice gates at Sluys.

338856 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to swedenborg, 1, #509 of 2035 🔗

New Zealand already has the Rona and I expect more lockdowns there soon, just like you see in New South Wales and South Africa (despite the southern summer). NZ has really screwed itself.

338639 free french, 6, #510 of 2035 🔗

In my view the most reliable statistics are those for in-hospital deaths “from” covid (ie those who have died in hospital under the “tested positive in the last 28 days” definition). This number is published daily by the NHS for England and it is astonishingly low (46 people yesterday for example). Follow this link and scroll down to get to the downloadable spreadsheet:

All the other announced England deaths (the other vast majority that is) happened outside hospitals, and the reason for that is because the people involved were so ill with pre-existing conditions that hospitalisations were pointless.

This is yet more data which completely contradicts the media/political propaganda we are being subjected to.

338650 Lydia, replying to Lydia, 13, #511 of 2035 🔗

First day of zoom home school for my youngest. She’s got my laptop that I use for my work so I had to decide whether she uses it for school or I use it for work. Obviously, she can have it and I’ll have to work after she finishes soon school at 3.30pm! I can’t sustain this until September so I’ll have to purchase another laptop as I have to work.

My eldest has a gaming pc that he now uses for school now so he’s sorted but definitely not engaged in remote learning and finds it difficult to get motivated. At school he’s very switched on and does extremely well. I fear that he’s going to get behind and lose any self motivation to learn.

338674 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Lydia, 8, #512 of 2035 🔗

I sympathize with you, this is going to be a big problem. My son is already saying there’s no way he’s going to university and I fear he may drop out of A levels if they don’t reopen schools soon. Your last paragraph describes my son exactly.

338704 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #513 of 2035 🔗

It won’t be our two sons who feel like this either, there will be thousands of kids feeling this way. Kids will think what’s the point of learning. Terrible what is as come too.

338718 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Lydia, 2, #514 of 2035 🔗

His best friend feels remote learning is pointless too, not to mention the social aspects.

338731 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #515 of 2035 🔗

I agree!

338755 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #516 of 2035 🔗

My younger granddaughter in her last year at school and supposedly doing her GCSE’S is naturally full of optimism and enthusiasm and I’m sure even smiles in her sleep.
This present situation is taking its toll however and she is really missing her “besties” (friends) and her social life.
I would like to confront the collaborators and say to them: ” You call us sceptics selfish and irresponsible but it’s you lot that’s selfish and self centered.
You would happily see a generation’s lives and futures destroyed and millions of people losing their jobs and homes”.
How dare you lecture anybody who disagrees with your myopic and slavish adherence to a pointless and ineffective lockdown which has been totally ineffective from day one.

338843 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #517 of 2035 🔗

If this was my daughter at school now she would have just said fuck it and gone and visited her mates. She was in no way excited by school and if she was being home schooled would have learnt nothing.

338845 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #518 of 2035 🔗

Young people need to be saying this for themselves. On twitter, arsebook, wherever they hang out. The ones who have the courage not to run with the herd.
Hard, I know, but it’s their future that’s being rubbished

338965 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Annie, 2, #519 of 2035 🔗

My son and his mates do not use social media, they have a private server they can chat to each other on. But they are angry.

338655 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 6, #520 of 2035 🔗

Have I got this correct? The latest ONS deaths in England & Wales ‘with CV’ are DOWN on the previous week. Not being picked up by the MSM!

338662 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #521 of 2035 🔗

Meaningless as the test is meaningless.

338694 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Bungle, 7, #522 of 2035 🔗

Think Tyneside Tigress was drawing attention to the fact it’s not reported in the MSM. She wasn’t making a point about test validity. In MSM world that should be good news… but apparently there is none.

338657 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 4, #523 of 2035 🔗

Is there any actual scientific evidence that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Variant is anymore transmissible/infectious? Like, I dunno, the protein spikes do something different to your cells? Or is it just purely an association between its existence and higher quantities of positive PCRs?

Just curious, because if not, couldn’t this whole conjecture not also be put down to another casedemic of their own making? Everyone is more prone to cold/flu type bugs in the winter and locking us all up and limited where we can go is hardly going to help.

338912 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #524 of 2035 🔗

IIRC the RT-PCR which uses certain bases in the viral RNA is unable to distinguish between the different variants as these bases are common to all. The LFT looks at the antigens which are presented on outside of the virus, now unless these have changed the LFT will still give the same result irrespective of variant. However, if the variant shows a different antigen then the LFT will show negative. Therefore, if any variant alters the antigens presented then the apparent infection rate based on LFT will fall, whilst the RT-PCR infection rate will rise or remain constant.
I don’t think it’s possible to identify different strains on the fly. Also at what point does a variant become a new strain? when the RNA changes significantly? When the antigens change?

338665 DJ Dod, 9, #525 of 2035 🔗

Apologies if anyone has flagged this up already, but here’s a link to a study comparing Norway and Sweden. Guess what, all-cause mortality largely unchanged in both countries, regardless of their response to the pandemic:


338696 RickH, replying to RickH, 9, #526 of 2035 🔗

Well – the votes are now in for all-cause deaths up to Week 52 of 2020.


… mortality for the autumn-winter period remains stubbornly AVERAGE for the period on a quarter-century basis, following the normal pattern for the period.

Nothing to see here. Move along, please.

Any journalist who hasn’t got hold of this major story, contradicting the government narrative, probably can’t type or hold a pen, either.

Confirmation is in the censorship – always designed to hide truth. I gather that the Spectator is one of the most recent to be leaned on not to publish truthful alternative comment.

338865 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to RickH, #527 of 2035 🔗

Yes, I have been wondering about The Spectator for a few weeks now and am considering cancelling it. I wonder who is funding them – I saw some high finance company was sponsoring its online Spectator TV.

338913 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #528 of 2035 🔗

I’ve just cancelled my Spectator sub as well, for exactly these reasons. The magazine is owned by the weirdo Barclay twins, who also own the Daily Telegraph- I’ve cancelled my sub to that as well.

338916 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to RickH, #529 of 2035 🔗

You have far better data than I do, as I just go to ONS, and you adjust for increasing population and look wider than the 5 year average.
I see England & Wales deaths since w/e 5 June (ie the week the pandemic ended) 307k v 5yr ave 288k, up 16k = 5%.
In that period deaths ‘with Covid’ were 32k, so other-cause deaths are down 16k.
Now we are at the year-end, it needs proper population-adjusted charts to play the game of ‘spot-the-pandemic-year’. These would be worth stickering everywhere.

338697 essex_guy, 3, #530 of 2035 🔗

So after looking at the weekly region death ONS data yesterday, I have today decided to increase years to 2015 and also look at the areas that have the new mutant strain (East, London and South East).

Again 2020 is up to week 51. Week 52 has not been released. PHE have stated that week 52 is statically normal

The data shows that we have no second wave happening. Normal deaths compared to last 5 years.

There the only 2 plausible reasons are.

1 – PCR results are incorrect and Dr Mike Yeadon was correct and we have a Pseudo-Epidemic (false positives).

2 – PCR tests are correct but the new mutant strain is not as deadly.

Both cases show using official government data that the pandemic is over.

338701 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 8, #531 of 2035 🔗

From Sky News

“Clap for Carers has been resurrected for the latest lockdown
The sounds of applause will once again fill streets across the UK, as Clap for our Carers makes an official return.
Every Thursday night at 8pm, the public is being encouraged to Clap for Heroes, as it is now known.
Founder of Clap For Our Carers and Clap For Heroes, Annemarie Plas commented: “When we first started clapping for our incredible NHS staff, care workers and key workers last March, none of us had any expectation that we would be in an even worse situation nine months later.
“Last year the weekly applause united communities and had us talking to our neighbours whilst we acknowledged the immense sacrifices our carers were making.
“They were and still are heroes, but this time round we also want to recognise all the other heroes that keep the country going and have endured such challenging times.
“This Thursday at 8pm we want the whole country to unite again to remember and celebrate all of these heroes, including those most dear to us. Bring out those pots and pans, get the kids involved – they’ve been heroes too after all!”

I’ll leave you to comment

338706 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to arfurmo, 5, #532 of 2035 🔗

No comment necessary or worthy of any effort whatsoever.

338720 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, 13, #533 of 2035 🔗

Oh god no. I thought we’d left that particular bit of asinine f**wittery behind. Just have to hope it will be too cold for anyone to bother.

338733 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to arfurmo, 11, #534 of 2035 🔗

Go clap like a fucking seal you plebs, we have destroyed the economy and the NHS is Covid only service. Now go out and clap for you enslavement. To quote Stephen Toast : FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!

338734 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to arfurmo, 3, #535 of 2035 🔗

ha ha fuck off!

338738 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to arfurmo, 3, #536 of 2035 🔗

So the Pot-Bangers get to cause a raucous again – regardless of neighbouring children trying to sleep.

338741 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to arfurmo, 3, #537 of 2035 🔗

Kill me now.

338790 ▶▶ stevie, replying to arfurmo, 2, #538 of 2035 🔗


338808 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to arfurmo, 2, #539 of 2035 🔗

Fuck off

338816 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to arfurmo, 2, #540 of 2035 🔗

Ah the happy sound of me hitting the stupid fuckwits round the head with a frying pan, clang motherfuckers

338822 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to arfurmo, 7, #541 of 2035 🔗

I didn’t participate last time and I got a text from a neighbour asking if I was coming out to clap the NHS. I said no as I understand statistics.

338823 ▶▶ davews, replying to arfurmo, #542 of 2035 🔗

Oh dear, I am attending a Zoom church property meeting Thursday evening. I do hope they don’t decide to pause at 8pm to do the ritual (although after an outburst after last Sunday’s Zoom service they probably know my views).

338870 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to arfurmo, 1, #543 of 2035 🔗

Oh FFS!! I suspect, however, that there might not be as much participation this time and if we’re lucky, it could backfire.

338873 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to arfurmo, 2, #544 of 2035 🔗

Glad I’m at work on Thursday evening in the middle of a town with few residential properties close by. If people wish to donate some seasonal snacks to their local urgent care centre instead of clapping like a demented seal then I won’t object too much, but I’d rather they donate a little money to your local children or adult hospices to keep these places going.

338920 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to arfurmo, 1, #545 of 2035 🔗

Good grief!!!

That said I live in an area with a high immigrant population and there wasn’t a lot of clapping here the first time round.

One of the saving graces however detestable my area is.

338951 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #546 of 2035 🔗


338975 ▶▶ Mark, replying to arfurmo, 1, #547 of 2035 🔗

Annemarie Plas commented: “When we first started clapping for our incredible NHS staff, care workers and key workers last March, none of us had any expectation that we would be in an even worse situation nine months later .

Except for all the people who were saying loudly and repeatedly that the problem with lockdown is that even if it works you are just as vulnerable to the virus when you come out as you were when you went in , you unutterable ignoramus!

339015 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to arfurmo, 4, #548 of 2035 🔗

I have a load of old iron fencing to cut up so it fits into my car for on-ship to the recycling centre. And an angle grinder to cut it up with. Makes a lovely sound, you need double layer of ear defenders to tolerate it. Hmm, Wednesday today, a bit busy. Thursday, busy in the day, but got a window after supper, about 7-45pm. A quick hour should see it all cut up nicely…

339202 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to arfurmo, #549 of 2035 🔗

In Germany lockdown sceptics play The prisoners choir from the opera Nabucco”. Maybe we should sound that out at 8pm on Thursday.

Sadly no-one will know it. As the statement the other day that the operating room staff had blank faces when Carmina Burana was mentioned as choice of music proves.

339569 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to arfurmo, 1, #550 of 2035 🔗

I worked for them for many years and would never clap for them. Neither would any of the public if they knew the truth about the waste, theft (almost considered a perk of the job), fraud and corruption. You could triple the funding and most would leave via the back door. Culprits were never prosecuted and just left and did it again elsewhere.

340239 ▶▶ DomW, replying to arfurmo, #551 of 2035 🔗

For the last two nights I’ve been “Booing for Boris” at 6pm. Pots, pans, boos, shouted slogans like “Lockdowns destroy lives” for 2 mins out in front of where I live

I put on my Arsebook that I was doing this and encouraging others to join in but the response has been, shall we say, underwhelming.

I’ve had a few looks out of neighbours windows but as yet no-one joining in. My OH is so embarrassed/disapproving/whatever he hides in the back bedroom.

I know I’m pissing into a hurricane but as I said to my next door neighbour who doesn’t seem to mind despite being on the other team, it helps to keep me from falling into despair so I’ll do it until I find something better.

Anyone care to join me ?

338710 essex_guy, replying to essex_guy, 5, #552 of 2035 🔗

So after looking at the weekly region death ONS data yesterday, I have today decided to increase years to 2015 and also look at the areas that have the new mutant strain (East, London and South East).

Again 2020 is up to week 51. Week 52 has not been released. PHE have stated that week 52 is statically normal

The data shows that we have no second wave happening. Normal deaths compared to last 5 years.

There the only 2 plausible reasons are.

1 – PCR results are incorrect and Dr Mike Yeadon was correct and we have a Pseudo-Epidemic (false positives).

2 – PCR tests are correct but the new mutant strain is not as deadly.

Both cases show using official government data that the pandemic is over.

338740 ▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to essex_guy, 1, #553 of 2035 🔗

I think no.2 is largely right though there is truth in both. Hospitalisations are not as great as the first peak, so ‘cases’ are much milder.
PCR is inaccurate but has always been so, that is unlikely to have changed much recently, but ‘cases’ do appear to be getting milder

338857 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to FrankiiB, 2, #554 of 2035 🔗

It’s probably a combination of the two. Don’t forget originally only people who had symptoms were tested in pillar 2. Now everyone is getting tested because they have a bit of a cough, a slight temperature and probably a running nose (a cold). Also the new variant (not a mutant strain) may be more contagious but less virulent. However, how anyone can distinguish between the different variants in the field is anyone’s guess. The tests being utilised will still be positive no matter the variant. Don’t forget the new variant has been known about since September.

338945 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FrankiiB, #555 of 2035 🔗

Sars2 will become another Corona cold – just like all the others

338993 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to FrankiiB, 1, #556 of 2035 🔗

Positive PCR tests may be yielding milder results because the +ve rate has increased from 17% to 27%. Personally, my hunch is that they’ve increased the cycle count.

338713 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 8, #557 of 2035 🔗

All of the papers today are leading with “1 in 50 Brits infected” – well I suppose “1 in 50 Brits returned a PCR positive result” doesn’t have the same dramatic effect…

338726 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Scotty87, 2, #558 of 2035 🔗

If you test for Coronavirus then you will find all of the Coronaviruses

338834 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #559 of 2035 🔗

So it’s January and only one person in 50 has a cold??

338938 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Annie, #560 of 2035 🔗

The Corona colds are a little rarer than the Rhinos.- I’m doubt a rhinovirus would show up on a test but you never know

338836 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Scotty87, 1, #561 of 2035 🔗

Isn’t that for one day rather than cumulative?
Another way of putting it is on that date 2% of the population were immune to SARS-CoV-2.
Adding that to all of the positive results and those who had true CoViD19 then is there sufficient community immunity?

338721 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 7, #562 of 2035 🔗

There was talk from Michael Gove, reported in the MSM yesterday, that they expect to start lifting all restrictions from March. It can’t go unnoticed that local elections are still scheduled a couple months later. I have a feeling this is a pretext, another carrot on a stick, to let us believe we have political freedom before another “deadly” strain appears, Hulk-smashing its way into our conscience via the crazed media.

It’s a win-win scenario for the One-of-Many parties ruling over us in Westminster, because if they do go ahead with the elections, they’ll be riding the wave of freedom while claiming they dealt with the virus. Of course the virus will return and lockdown/restrictions will be imposed again.

On the other hand, they could very well yank the carrot off the stick in the days leading up to the elections, saying “cases” have soared due to election activity.

So in one outcome, they outright ban elections proving democracy is merely a façade, legitimising intense criminal corruption. The other is a theatrical make-belief that we still have have political freedom, just for them to continue on with their criminal agenda – regardless of who “wins” the local elections.

338730 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to J4mes, 6, #563 of 2035 🔗

Will the majoirty even care either way? They don’t value their individual freedom, so why would they give a moment’s thought to political freedom?

338766 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #564 of 2035 🔗

Sadly, I can’t disagree with your questioning. But it is an important discussion, because this is the same UK government that only recently reprimanded Belarus for ‘illegitimate elections’ and stopping people from protesting. Our lot have already stopped us from protesting, let’s see if they go full-hog and ban elections too, just to complete their utter hypocrisy.

But like you say, the public are unlikely to complain about political freedom being banned. They’ll have Piers Morgan telling them that safety of the vulnerable is more important, so they’ll all nod like Churchill dogs in brainwashed compliance.

338833 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to J4mes, 1, #565 of 2035 🔗

You are right, of course, J4mes. Those of us who recognise the importance of freedom and democracy must keep talking about these things and hold tight to our principles. My comment was a bit flip and unconstructive! Feeling very off kilter today.

338882 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #566 of 2035 🔗

Yes, absolutely. Any cancellation or postponement of elections should be resisted. Elections have been held in several countries during the Rona.

338723 Ozzie, 1, #567 of 2035 🔗
338735 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 3, #568 of 2035 🔗

Love this bloke. But how sad that the rozzers had to get involved:


338908 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to kh1485, 1, #569 of 2035 🔗

Simultaneously heartening and depressing. What have we become?

338743 Thomas Blaikie, 1, #570 of 2035 🔗

So Whitty now confirmed as a megalomaniac. He will meet his downfall …. but when?

338745 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 4, #571 of 2035 🔗

The “dangerous” anti-vaxxers, spewing their toxic misinformation, don’t appear to be having much impact in the UK

That could be due to the “stiff upper lip” (read: brain dead compliance) of the plucky Brits. But it may also have to do with the monolithic juggernaut of the mainstream media and its suffocating stranglehold via the BBC – although I think other Brit outlets are probably just as bad.

338775 ▶▶ George L, replying to George Mc, 2, #572 of 2035 🔗

I gave up long ago on the supine Brits. The stiff upper lip now is not based on knowledge but ignorance. The ‘subjects’ have been anaesthetised for too long to wake up now. Maybe hunger would do it, but I’m not even sure about that any more.

338806 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to George Mc, 2, #573 of 2035 🔗

The UK has the most skin in the game, so are throwing more might at the propaganda

338748 Basics, 10, #574 of 2035 🔗

Supply and demand propaganda trick.

You will recall the long trumpeted idea that big crappy pharma were getting ahead of the challenge by preproducing vaccines on a risky gamble thet the testing would be fine and the various countries would approve the vaccines use. Billions upon billi9ns of doses were being prepared that way.

So, why so quiet abot tgese vast pre-manufactured batches? Why supply shortages now?

The age old snake oil trick of create a perception of shortage to increase demand is in play. Yes it is play, it is manipulation it is propaganda is a falsely contructed narrative a false reality that has been set up around all of us.

Shortage of supply increases demand.

This is absolutely identical to toilet rolls. Identical.

338750 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #575 of 2035 🔗

Christie says we still need to be locked up next winter

Why is he sweating so much?

Suggest the Stasi dig up his backyard and look under his floorboards

Just saying

338759 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, 3, #576 of 2035 🔗

He does bear a more than a passing resemblance to Reginald Christie the infamous serial killer of the early 50’s.

338774 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 1, #577 of 2035 🔗

been napping under the Yew tree
they all have

338778 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, 6, #578 of 2035 🔗

See they guy CEO when he is in the senate or where ever on a false bollocking by USA politicians. Shitty Witty usess similar body language. His elbows are tucked always by his sides, he does not raise his hands out of the lectern area, he is humble in presentation.

Now look at what The Shits actually says. He is extremely arrogant, exceptionally over confident in his own mind, whatever he says is ‘it’. He is working extremely hard to pull off his trick of being a humble monk professor – his hair do is not accidental there are other ways to shave a coot.

See the backstage photo with the cabal and cummings having a ‘moment’ bodirs looking like a dead grotesque shark, handjob looking like an uncomfortable junior – witty’s blotched face is purple with rage as he dishes out how ‘it’ is.

Without family what is his skin in the game?

338848 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Basics, #579 of 2035 🔗

Got a link to the photo you’re talking about?

338934 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to mattghg, 2, #580 of 2035 🔗

I haven’t and cannot see it on a quick search. It is a famous one the only behind the scenes one. Two bits of fruit in a fruit bowl will tell you you’ve got it. Was posted above the line some month ago.

338971 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Basics, 2, #581 of 2035 🔗

I am familiar with the photo you refer to and have to say that, the first time I saw it, it was immediately evident that we are talking about a real Jekyll and Hyde character – I didn’t even recognise him initially on the photo. It was a chilling image.

338753 Thomas Blaikie, replying to Thomas Blaikie, 2, #582 of 2035 🔗

Re: Flu hypothesis. Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t a number of different ‘flu strains around in the ‘flu season, all making their appearance at different times? Whereas Covid-19 is just one virus and has already been around for over a year. So maybe it won’t follow the ‘flu pattern exactly?

338779 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Thomas Blaikie, 3, #583 of 2035 🔗

Not just the flu, there are always various strains of noroviruses going around as well.

338842 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #584 of 2035 🔗

And other coronaviruses!

338946 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Thomas Blaikie, 1, #585 of 2035 🔗

Colds and flu are the body’s response to, yes, cold. Temperatures drop and the body calls up one of its resident viruses to do the clean out – homeostasis in action (cold viruses are found in the throat whatever your state of illness or health). Then out comes the phlegm and all is well. That’s why the flu is seasonal (as in winter not summer).

Many doctors say that the flu occurs more in winter because we stay indoors more so it is spread more easily. No idea where the scientific evidence for that comes from but a child of seven would be rightly complimented for coming up with such nonsense.

Anyway, back to flu. Get rid of the body’s response to the cold (through flu vaccination) and you have a person who is unprotected not from a virus but from their inability to return to homeostatic equilibrium.

So enter the cavalry: no, not another vaccination but the SarsCoV2 virus. Digging deeper, it tries to do what the flu was prevented from doing. The ensuing clear out isn’t pretty.

The coronavirus isn’t, in my view flu but it replaces flu. Flu is prevented (through interfering with the body’s natural processes) but replaced by covid – you might see both in one person but I doubt it.

As far as I can glean from the media, every person who has been reported as dying from covid19 has had a flu vaccination. It doesn’t mean you die from covid if you have the flu jab, or even get covid, but as far as I can see you cannot get covid without having had a flu jab. If anyone has any anecdotal or other evidence for or against that, I would be eager to hear from them.

339006 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Portnadler, 1, #586 of 2035 🔗

I’d like to know if this theory is true. My work colleague got Covid at NY and she and her husband had recently had the flu jab. They’ve been very careful following the covid rules as her husband is classed as extremely vulnerable. And they still got it.

338757 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 17, #588 of 2035 🔗

Of course every government will use lockdown/tiers every winter from now on.

It is their get out of jail free card to avoid having to address the unfitness for purpose of the NHS ‘organisation’/bureaucracy.

The only way to avoid that is to give this government such a savage beating at the polls, at every possible opportunity, that no government ever so obviously avoids its clear duty to the electorate ever again.

338761 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #589 of 2035 🔗

Local elections this year. I will be very upset if everyone continues to vote along old party loyalties. As you say, there needs to be a clear message that this will not be tolerated.

338769 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #590 of 2035 🔗

Who’s going to fill the vacuum though? There must be so many of us now who are politically homeless.

338773 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kh1485, 1, #591 of 2035 🔗

Sadly agree.

338814 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to kh1485, 2, #592 of 2035 🔗

I have voted in every election (local, national and referendum) in the roughly 50 years I have been eligible to do so.
I was raised in a Labour family but have moved to the right as all of the political parties moved (slowly at first) and then quickly to the left.
I apologise for voting for this lot. But I tend end up voting against something and very rarely for it.
Like you I have no one to speak for me. I am looking for a new political home.

338918 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FenTyger, #593 of 2035 🔗

Vote for any party that will noose the Coronatarians

338952 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 5, #594 of 2035 🔗

Well Reform seem to be out now, given Farage’s turn.

Atm I’m looking at Heritage and Reclaim if they stand candidates where I am.

All others unacceptable – the equivalent of voting for collaborators under foreign military occupation.

338871 ▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #595 of 2035 🔗

I doubt there will be local elections this year. In a way I hope there won’t: my greatest fear would be a strong Tory performance due to Sunak’s ‘largesse’.

338782 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #596 of 2035 🔗

As with my earlier comment: who says they’ll still give us the local elections?

338762 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 8, #597 of 2035 🔗

Is there anyone with a lawyerly mind able to have a look at the latest Coronavirus Bill:


It seems to contain sweeping new powers, including this gem in Schedule 20 – Powers relating to potentially infectious persons :


Powers to direct or remove persons to a place suitable for screening and assessment

6 (1) This paragraph applies if, during a transmission control period, a public health officer has reasonable grounds to suspect that a person in England is potentially infectious.

(2) The public health officer may, subject to sub-paragraph (3)—

(a) direct the person to go immediately to a place specified in the direction which is suitable for screening and assessment,

(b) remove the person to a place suitable for screening and assessment,or

(c) request a constable to remove the person to a place suitable for screening and assessment (and the constable may then do so).

So the State will have the power to arbitrarily detain anyone on suspicion of being “infected” with Covid and frog-march them off to a detention centre for testing.

338772 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to zacaway, 2, #598 of 2035 🔗
338804 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to zacaway, 1, #599 of 2035 🔗

This is from the 1984 Act
35 Medical examination
If a justice of the peace (acting, if he deems it necessary, ex parte) is satisfied, on a written certificate issued by a registered medical practitioner nominated by the local authority for a district—

that there is reason to believe that some person in the district—

is or has been suffering from a notifiable disease, or

though not suffering from such a disease, is carrying an organism that is capable of causing it, and

that in his own interest, or in the interest of his family, or in the public interest, it is expedient that he should be medically examined, and

that he is not under the treatment of a registered medical practitioner or that the registered medical practitioner who is treating him consents to the making of an order under this section,

the justice may order him to be medically examined by a registered medical practitioner so nominated.

An order under this section may be combined with a warrant under subsection (3) of section 61 below authorising a registered medical practitioner nominated by the local authority to enter any premises, and for the purposes of that subsection that practitioner shall, if not an officer of the local authority, be treated as one.

In this section, references to a person’s being medically examined shall be construed as including references to his being submitted to bacteriological and radiological tests and similar investigations.
36 Medical examination of group of persons believed to comprise carrier of notifiable disease
If a justice of the peace (acting, if he deems it necessary, ex parte) is satisfied, on a written certificate issued by the proper officer of the local authority for a district—

that there is reason to believe that one of a group of persons, though not suffering from a notifiable disease, is carrying an organism that is capable of causing it, and

that in the interest of those persons or their families, or in the public interest, it is expedient that those persons should be medically examined,

the justice may order them to be medically examined by a registered medical practitioner nominated by the local authority for that district.

Subsections (2) and (3) of section 35 above apply in relation to subsection (1) above as they apply in relation to subsection (1) of that section.

338817 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #600 of 2035 🔗

37 Removal to hospital of person with notifiable disease
Where a justice of the peace (acting, if he deems it necessary, ex parte) is satisfied, on the application of the local authority, that a person is suffering from a notifiable disease and—

that his circumstances are such that proper precautions to prevent the spread of infection cannot be taken, or that such precautions are not being taken, and

that serious risk of infection is thereby caused to other persons, and

that accommodation for him is available in a suitable hospital vested in the Secretary of State,

the justice may, with the consent of the Area or District Health Authority responsible for the administration of the hospital, order him to be removed to it.

An order under this section may be addressed to such officer of the local authority as the justice may think expedient, and that officer and any officer of the hospital may do all acts necessary for giving effect to the order.

38 Detention in hospital of person with notifiable disease
Where a justice of the peace (acting, if he deems it necessary, ex parte) in and for the place in which a hospital for infectious diseases is situated is satisfied, on the application of any local authority, that an inmate of the hospital who is suffering from a notifiable disease would not on leaving the hospital be provided with lodging or accommodation in which proper precautions could be taken to prevent the spread of the disease by him, the justice may order him to be detained in the hospital.

An order made under subsection (1) above may direct detention for a period specified in the order, but any justice of the peace acting in and for the same place may extend a period so specified as often as it appears to him to be necessary to do so.

Any person who leaves a hospital contrary to an order made under this section for his detention there shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale, and the court may order him to be taken back to the hospital.

An order under this section may be addressed—

in the case of an order for a person’s detention, to such officer of the hospital, and

in the case of an order made under subsection (3) above,

to such officer of the local authority on whose application the order for detention was made, as the justice may think expedient, and that officer and any officer of the hospital may do all acts necessary for giving effect to the order.

The single most important part of the 1984 is the reference to a Justice of the Peace, without whom the actions outlined above cannot take place. Basically the above provisions are dependent on a warrant and are applicable to named individual(s). This is the Sumption argument about the covid regulations being based on the wrong law.

338930 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to zacaway, 2, #601 of 2035 🔗

This language is eerily reminiscent of NY State Bill A416.

I’m sure it’s all just a big coincidence.

338767 alw, replying to alw, 9, #602 of 2035 🔗

No impact assessment has been prepared for the latest restrictions to come before Parliament today. If not why not? What an utter disgrace and MPs should not vote this through but guess they are more concerned about keeping their own pockets lined.

338789 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to alw, 4, #603 of 2035 🔗

Here’s the only impact assessment needed. Lockdowns destroy lives.

338864 ▶▶ Tim Paton, replying to alw, 1, #604 of 2035 🔗

all companies would require an impact assessment as standard. Its a disgrace that the government cant be bothered

338771 Alias Margaret, replying to Alias Margaret, 13, #605 of 2035 🔗

Had an e-Mail exchange with a friend yesterday. She has based her views on some quite emotional reports from medical staff about what is happening in hospitals and has not done any independent research for herself.

I pointed out to her that we had not learned anything from the Swine flu epidemic in 2009. She was unaware that there had even been an epidemic (or pandemic, according to the WHO, who later changed its definition of pandemic)so I sent her some links about the swine flu “scandal” and told her to watch the channel 4 video by Jon Snow.

I thought that I had better do some more research into this myself so looked up the report by Dame Deidre Hine, July 2010. It starts with an interesting time-line of events, starting from the first case in Mexico on 23rd April, 2009, through to the vaccination programme starting on the 21st October, 2009.

By March 2010, the total deaths in the U.K. were 457 and by April 1st 2010, antiviral medicines were no longer available, the swine flu information line was closed and the “treatment of people with flu-like symptoms returns to business as usual”

The first recommendation in the report is interesting:
”Ministers should determine early in a pandemic how they will ensure that the response is proportional to the perceived level of risk and how this will decide decision-making”

Recommendation no.7:
”The government office for science, working with key government departments, should enable key ministers and senior officials to understand the strengths and limitations of likely available scientific advice as part of their general induction”

And no.9:
”The government chief scientific advisor and the department of health should ensure that there is an appropriate balance of contribution in SAGE for future pandemic


I was correct. We have learned nothing.

338781 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Alias Margaret, 2, #606 of 2035 🔗

The scathing report from the Council of Europe – prepared by Paul Flynn is also an eye-opener. Looked at from a 2020 perspective, we can see the model of hysteria generation being piloted, but ultimately failing.

339141 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Alias Margaret, #607 of 2035 🔗

This interview is another excellent intro to that whole sorry episode


338776 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 14, #608 of 2035 🔗

If we lived in a decent and sane society, then the newspapers and TV news would be running this as headlines all week, demanding that something is done about it. Instead 2021 is still a dystopian nightmare, controlled by fuckwits..


If we believe the SARS-CoV-2 virus can and should be eradicated globally, but we recognize that diverting resources for this programme will cost lives, then we need to acknowledge that the children who are no longer benefiting from other health interventions, are dying for the benefit of mostly elderly and chronically-sick people in far wealthier nations who wish to reduce their own Covid-19 risk.

338813 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #609 of 2035 🔗

They are so bloody SELFISH.

338868 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Annie, 15, #610 of 2035 🔗

The irony is that so many of those who go on and on about BLM are quite happy to sacrifice any number of black lives to starvation in the 3rd world, in order to save the life of an 80-year old in the UK.

339157 ▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Chicot, #611 of 2035 🔗

Prolong by what is statistically likely to be a short interval ?

339091 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #612 of 2035 🔗

Living in South Africa and witnessing the desperation of Zimbabweans flooding over the border and the sharp increase in people living on the street, makes one livid at the blindness of the WHO and chums.

Here there are no furlough schemes for the unemployed, millions of jobs have been lost and lockdowns mean starvation for many. Yet our government is eager to point the finger at “selfish” people not social distancing or not wearing masks and celebrating Christmas.

The problem seems to be that people are innumerate and can’t see beyond the ends of their own noses.

339174 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Liewe, #613 of 2035 🔗

They want as many deaths as possible now
The lockdown collateral damage will be rebranded “Corona induced mortalities”

339169 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #614 of 2035 🔗

I keep an eye on Namibia, a country next to SA. It depends heavily on tourism, and tourists from Germany as an ex-German colony.
There are now no flights between Germany and Namibia between now and mid march. The tour operator I used twice has closed forever. Many tourist guides, hotel workers will have lost their jobs. My tour operator used a lot of community owned campsites. For a desert country, these campsites where a vital income to villages to pay for infrastructure, schools, healthcare. (and being some of the most beautiful sites I have been to!)
Apparently, according to Fuellmilch, who has connections there, the German govt was involved with providing and encouraging PCR tests.

338780 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -10, #615 of 2035 🔗

From to-day’s blog:

Oddly, the ZOE app showed only around 1% of the population had Covid on January 2nd. Why the discrepancy with the ONS?

There is NO discrepancy. ZOE is recording SYMPTOMATIC cases. If around 30% of cases are asymptomatic then ZOE & ONS are in good agreement.

338786 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mayo, 11, #616 of 2035 🔗

Nice try. They’re not “cases” if they aren’t sick.

338805 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to PoshPanic, -3, #617 of 2035 🔗

That’s a different argument. ONS figures do include positive tests without symptoms (and projections from those figures), so I think Mayo is correct that a discrepancy can’t be demonstrated between the two different metrics.

338835 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Charlie Blue, #618 of 2035 🔗

Where are the projections from symptomatic cases from the ONS? I presumed ( perhaps wrongly?) that the projections were from pos tests, as opposed to the Zoe app.

338874 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #619 of 2035 🔗

Exactly. And that was Mayo’s point. You can’t compare a set of data reporting positive tests against another derived from report of symptoms and then claim with any confidence that there is a discrepancy. The discrepancy could easily be accounted for by asymptomatic positives.

Whether one believes that asymptomatic positives are ‘real’ or counting them is helpful is a different question.

338956 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #620 of 2035 🔗

I think we’ve approached the same point, from different ends of the field.

338982 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to PoshPanic, #621 of 2035 🔗

Yes, I think so!

339035 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #622 of 2035 🔗

It’s the question in fact.

China and other countries do not count asymptomatic people as cases as far as I’m aware.

We do. You could track them within government reports, that’s fine. However they use them as the key metric for lockdowns. It’s horrendous

339146 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mayo, 1, #623 of 2035 🔗

Technically a good point. However both data sets are shit so you are simply mixing dog shit with pig shit.

Not really butter is it.

339368 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mayo, #624 of 2035 🔗

Also the ZOE app is a health app/portal and it allows its users to track a myriad of “symptoms” of loads of ailments. A thing like this will attract people who are very “health aware”. I would think this might translate into having a lot of users who will might be thought of as hypochondriacs using it. The data on there is heavily weighted to the worried well.

338784 clem, replying to clem, 44, #625 of 2035 🔗

Anyone else beginning to struggle even having conversations with family and friends?

My parents and wife have been fairly sceptical and whilst supported the first lockdown, have become more sceptical since.

My wife knows masks are near useless but will gladly wear one as the rules say you need to wear one. The rules must be followed, no matter how silly they are – that’s just her personality type.
Fortunately as my Mum looks after our daughter one day per week, she is our “child support bubble” so was able to convince my wife that we were allowed to spend a couple of days over Christmas at my parents, despite us being in tier 4 (well I did stretch the rules as they do say they are not for mixing for any reason other than childcare – may have forgot to mention that part).

Just now had a conversation about the twisted logic of keeping schools open for children vulnerable and key workers.
If Schools have to be closed because children are super spreaders of this new variant and key front-line workers – doctors, nurses, supermarket workers – must now be one of the most likely groups to be catching covid and passing to their children, as everyone else is under quasi-house arrest.
Keeping schools open and combining all the key worker and vulnerable children together must then be the riskiest option of all.
(Or alternately schools are safe places (like we’ve been told for months now) in which case there’s no reason for them to be closed.)

My wife’s response is they are doing the best they can. I suggested they are doing the worse they possible could and was just told that maybe I should wrote to Boris and my local MP. I left the conversation there.

I fear even those luke-warm sceptics have succumbed to the fear and propaganda that has been turned up to 11 and I’m not sure where this is going to lead, given we know the vaccine is unlikely to stop the positive PCR’s appearing when people are tested.

My Mum can’t wait to get the vaccine, as they wouldn’t give out a vaccine unless it’s safe – tried to explain when acting in a moral panic people become irrational so of course they would as people aren’t thinking straight. In all likelihood the vaccine will be safe for the vast majority but the reality is that we simply don’t know as there has been no long term trials. The trials that did take place were over the summer months, where we know prevalence was low. I just we could be given the honest status of the vaccine and people left to make their own cost benefit analysis of whether they should take it. If I was 85, diabetic with heart disease – having a vaccine may be worth the risk. As a 40 year old with no known underlying conditions I feel the risk of catching covid may be the better option – unlikely to make me seriously ill and the immunity gained from the actual virus is likely better to handle any future mutations than from a vaccine.

Apologies – bit of a ranty post, my autistic brain isn’t very good with words – my thoughts make much more sense in my head than when I try to type them out, but just needed to get this off my chest!

338795 ▶▶ Annie, replying to clem, 9, #626 of 2035 🔗

You’re making very good sense!

338811 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to clem, 3, #627 of 2035 🔗

Better off your chest than on. Some are difficult to reason with, makes it harder when it’s your nearest and dearest of course!

338820 ▶▶ Mark, replying to clem, 7, #628 of 2035 🔗

Reads fine to me, and all makes good sense as well.

338838 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to clem, 8, #629 of 2035 🔗

Your brain is in fact very good indeed with words- keep them coming, Clem. The next step up in Project Fear will be the media shrieking at us that “The Vaccines Haven’t Worked!!”

338852 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to clem, 5, #630 of 2035 🔗

Good post, many of us are having difficulty with relatives. My father is making his own rules as he sees fit, refuses to hide under the stairs for his remaining years and has decided the single most dangerous place for him is any hospital. The FIL is lockdown zealot, harder, more vaccine etc,.

338788 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #631 of 2035 🔗

Michael Rosen typifies the way many see the world these days. He is on the side of “good” and “wholesome” which means they can call for the burning of witches, aka anybody who disagrees with them, and still feel good about themselves.

He also writes like someone writing a horoscope with non-specific terms that really could apply to anybody.

No doubt I will be thrown on the mocking pile just for writing this.

Michael Rosen
As we crawl out into the light after these bitter months are finally over, we’ll look back and see through our tears who helped us, who put their arms around us, and also who mocked and despised us, sneered at us, and who thought that our deaths and injuries hardly mattered.


338792 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #632 of 2035 🔗

sadly this twat will probably most certainly still be alive

338800 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #633 of 2035 🔗

Sent a suitable reply.


Yes, the government, MSM and SAGE have a lot to answer for concerning all those they killed in the name of “safety”.

338819 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #634 of 2035 🔗

“who put their arms around us” – whoah whoah whoah what happened to “hands, face, SPACE”? What happened to social distancing, Michael?

338828 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #635 of 2035 🔗

Think he must have got E.J. Thribb to write that lachrymose garbage. Or, remembering his books from when my kids had them, perhaps not.

338921 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #636 of 2035 🔗

When I read an article a couple of months ago about his ‘covid’ experience it was evident that every single one of his consequential ailments could readily be directly attributed to the fact he had been placed on a ventilator, and not caused by the virus itself.

338793 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 10, #637 of 2035 🔗


Thanks toby for your contribution on behalf of lockdown sceptics to newsnight last night. I would like to pick up on a few points.

There has been a lot of discussion here as to why the lockdown sceptics view is still a minority one. For me it was all too clear in the introduction to the newsnight discussion which directly linked “covid deniers” with lockdown criticism. In my opinion, the majority of the general public still don’t really understand the difference unless they personally choose to seek it out.

It was also very interesting how the discussion quickly turned for the issue of censorship to a debate about the pros and cons of lockdown. Because the mass media has directly linked covid denialism to being a lockdown sceptic, these has still not been a genuine and prolonged debate on the bbc about whether lockdowns really do work? Instead we get the usual childish / moronic comment from ian dunt (an unfortunate surname – sorry, I’m now being childish too ian!) about toby not be able to sleep at night – we are all granny killers!

Toby, there was also no need to apologise (this weakens our argument), as the so called “second wave / spike” has been covered here and in the data analysis of ivor cummins. The data is already beginning to confirm that the excess mortality rate for this winter will be in line with the likes of 2017/8. As with the 15% excess deaths in hospital in 2020, the so called second peak of covid deaths is now largely replacing predictable flu deaths, etc.

Finally, as we already know here, the mortality rate figures for sweden for 2020 are clear. The number of excess deaths simply do not stand out from previous years – so newsnight and mr dunt, spot the once in a life time health crisis!

338809 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to tony rattray, 5, #638 of 2035 🔗

It’s been noticeable that quite a few people have been lashing out in the last few weeks trying to find blame as to why they are being put through all this misery.

I’m sure during the Inquisitions people were happy to see others getting tortured for similar reasons.

338830 ▶▶ RickH, replying to tony rattray, 6, #639 of 2035 🔗

the excess mortality rate for this winter will be in line with the likes of 2017/8.”

Sorry to bang on again – but do abandon this meaningless term of ‘excess mortality’. It is entirely misleading. Simply – put a year’s mortality in meaningful historical context. Comparison with one year is meaningless, given the cyclical variation involved.

In this case, that context shows 2020 to be higher than the quarter century average, but not ‘unprecedented’ or ‘exceptional’.

This becomes even more important in the context of summer-winter figures, when we have been subjected to a run of Scary Fairies, but the mortality has remained stubbornly below or at average levels.

If we take the ‘dry tinder’ factor into account, by looking at two-year periods, 2018-20 is a period of mortality which lies at the quarter-century mean.

The term ‘Excess’ deaths merely plays into the hands of those who distort the picture – particularly when the baseline is a short 5-year period of unusually low mortality.

338859 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to RickH, 5, #640 of 2035 🔗

Comparison with one year is not meaningless when it is used to demonstrate context. Most people you meet believe that this year is ‘the worst year on record’. If you can show that a year in recent memory was as bad (or worse) then that may cause them to view other government propaganda with a little more scepticism. We must fall into the trap that Covidians at large are capable of rational, discerning thought.

338877 ▶▶ Mark, replying to tony rattray, 5, #641 of 2035 🔗

For me it was all too clear in the introduction to the newsnight discussion which directly linked “covid deniers” with lockdown criticism.

Standard BBC intro to a conversation with a representative of a verboten pov: “Here’s someone who claims to believe what we all know to be false, a [insert smear term here]. How does he defend his dangerous falsehood?”

And re “covid denier” applied to sceptics, I will point out yet again, this is exactly how smear terms are always used, exactly how the pc smear terms (racist, antisemite, homophobe, sexist etc) have been used for decades, and how the smear terms “covid denier” and “antivaxxer” are used today.

It’s a version of the “motte and bailey” fallacy. A term is coined that is applied to the very worst extremes to establish its connotations of pure evilness. It is then applied more widely, to people whose positions are different and not remotely evil, but whose positions are related or can be pretended to be related to the aforementioned extreme positions. If challenged by anyone questioning why [smear term] is so evil, the definition reverts to the extreme minority position and the questioner is accused of being in sympathy with them, or one of them.

None of this is new. It’s just the methods of political correctness applied in a different area and with the power-boost of massive fear propaganda behind it.

338797 Nobody2021, 8, #642 of 2035 🔗

I believe that if the media reported daily death counts every year for flu most people would complain and tell them to shut up, there are more important things to deal with.

There would of course be some who would like to do more to tackle it, which wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing but I don’t think they’d spend too much energy over it.

So when people say things like “there’s no acceptable level of death” or “we must go for eradication” in regards to this virus it really doesn’t make sense.

338798 RickH, 11, #643 of 2035 🔗

Re.the virulence of the Ninja variant, I assume that this is a rhetorical question :

How can this be when London is dominated by the new variant, said to be 70% more transmissible and said to be uncontainable by lockdown without closing schools by researchers at Imperial College?”

Because – of course – the answer is that the narrative is fiction crafted to keep the Airy Scary Fairy flying – particularly if it comes from Imperial College, where so much income depends on it.

The one amazing scientific fact about Imperial is how such sustained wrongness still manages to defy closure of the department.

Basically – there is NO wildly uncontainable variant in terms of credible analysis.

338802 hurstottley, 15, #644 of 2035 🔗

I have only just subscribed to the site although I have been a confirmed sceptic from before it was created. Having just struggled through the Newsnight clip, I just wanted to lend my moral support to Toby. Apart from the inevitable from Maitless, I thought the scorn and insufferable smugness from Ian Dunt was off the scale. It is unfortunate that like many on here I have to include many of my (former) friends as being of this mindset.

338803 Major Panic, 15, #645 of 2035 🔗

Don’t know if anyone has already posted about the latest vaccine thinking.

At the moment it has been decided that a single vaccine, while not as effective as two giving 95% effectiveness, will still provide 80% protection against the virus (a convenient guestimate we think but backed by a mighty zero evidence)

But now the idea is to give no vaccines to anyone and this will provide 80% protection against symptoms and, best of all, roll out is immediate and there are no side effects.

We could be out of lockdown as soon as this gets approval from the regulator

338807 Sodastream, replying to Sodastream, 33, #646 of 2035 🔗

The madness strikes again.
Just had a well know kitchen company round to the house to discuss/plan new kitchen. The guy rang Monday to confirm it could go ahead and we heard nothing else to the contrary since Monday.
Well he turned up wearing mask and latex gloves. I had half expected this and was going to say you need not wear a mask on out account. Silly me that would be too simple right.
He asked at the door that we put mask on (in our own home)
I informed him this would not be possible for us to do. He appeared blank. I explained we had exemptions to masks. He said his company had ruled this this morning.
I said your company should be aware that people have exemptions to masks and that on the giv. Uk website it is explained.
I said you’re welcome to enter our home we are not diseased. He just kept repeating what his workplace had told him to do. So I kept repeating about exemptions and the disability act. I even managed to add that the WHO as recent as dec 2020 had declared face mask in a healthy person as making no difference to SARS cov 2. Yes if lost him by this point.
So he left having wasted his time and outs. I will email head office and educate them.

338812 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Sodastream, 3, #647 of 2035 🔗

Just when you think it can’t get any worse!

338841 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Sodastream, 15, #648 of 2035 🔗

You should have told him to fuck off

338847 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Jaguarpig, 5, #649 of 2035 🔗

I was tempted believe me! But I tried to use it as a brief opportunity in trying to open a sheeple eyes to it all….

338886 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Sodastream, 1, #650 of 2035 🔗

Won’t you name the business?

339062 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #651 of 2035 🔗


339211 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Sodastream, #652 of 2035 🔗

Thanks. Duly noted.

338928 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Jaguarpig, 2, #653 of 2035 🔗

Took the words right out of my fingers.

338866 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Sodastream, 16, #654 of 2035 🔗

How can a business insist that people wear masks in their own home? If the business is so scared, it should close and furlough its staff.

338881 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Sodastream, 19, #655 of 2035 🔗

To try and make people feel there is some hope – we had our boiler serviced yesterday evening. The plumber not only wasn’t wearing a mask but walked straight in not wearing one with out asking if he should, and there was never any indication that it even crossed his mind.

It really made my day, actually.

338931 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to kenadams, 4, #656 of 2035 🔗

Boiler engineers are in my (granted, limited) experience amongst the most sceptical I know.

338967 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to leggy, #657 of 2035 🔗

Let’s hope so – I’m waiting for mine to arrive any minute now…..only one hour left in the Scottish Gas ‘window’.

338950 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sodastream, 6, #658 of 2035 🔗

Great. Vote with your feet and get another kitchen supplier

339100 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Sodastream, 2, #659 of 2035 🔗

I don’t even think exemption is relevant in the context of your own home. No way can anyone force you to muzzle up there. Try a local business without the overheads.

339390 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sodastream, 1, #660 of 2035 🔗

Totally mental. Cancel the kitchen ASAP

338821 l835, replying to l835, 4, #661 of 2035 🔗

Hells teeth, 40% of itu patients in my local hospital dying… I was there on Christmas Eve and the only tiredness in staff was hangovers.

Yet another article which doesn’t mention the number of beds. 1 to 3 patients would be a 300% increase, tell us how many!!!

Covid: Glan Clwyd intensive care patients ‘doubled since Christmas’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55557181

338831 ▶▶ l835, replying to l835, 1, #662 of 2035 🔗

Googled it. About 12 beds….

338824 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 14, #663 of 2035 🔗

All in all a good LDS today, Dr Crair Craig’s article was brilliant. What pandemic…
Will Jones….Oh dear. For a lockdown scep your views on the vaccine are deeply concerning.

“All hope now seems to rest with the swift vaccination of the vulnerable”.

“Vaccination is our ticket out of lockdown with all its destructive consequences for lives, livelihoods and mental and physical health. Why is everything not being thrown at it? It’s not even a supply issue, as the Telegraph reports”.

“Boris has been banking on a vaccine to rescue him from this disaster since March. Time to pull the finger out”.

“The UK leads the vaccine eagerness polls, but still nearly a third are reticent – and the true figure has to be higher. Forbes reports that in practice over half of front line workers in America have been refusing the vaccine, suggesting the 58% in the poll for the US is likely an upper bound”.

“With all our eggs in the vaccine basket, this is not encouraging news”.

So vaccine cheer-leady.

Jab em up
jab em up
ra ra ra
Inject those zombie hordes
Ha ha ha!

338897 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Two-Six, 7, #664 of 2035 🔗

This struck me too and I was going to write something. You saved me the bother and made a better job of it. So, having argued for months about the dangers of lockdowns, now the editorial line is that vaccines are the best way out of lockdowns? Wasn’t that the Government’s plan all along?

338983 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Two-Six, 1, #665 of 2035 🔗

A lot of people who I follow on Twitter seem to have gone the same way now. Alistair Haimes who was a good sceptic has written an article in the Spectator basically saying we need this lockdown and the vaccine will save us. Its a bit strange.

339108 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Ambwozere, 2, #666 of 2035 🔗

It’s fatigue and capitulation. It is understandable and in the situation we have ended up in, and it may be the least worst realistic option – but only when limited to injecting the very elderly. However we know full well that a major objective is to get the entire population dependent on big pharma.

339181 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ambwozere, #667 of 2035 🔗

Haimes’ article us bonkers.

338826 Kat, replying to Kat, 18, #668 of 2035 🔗

I must be very thick but if children are supposed to be the carriers of a more virulent Covid strain, then how is locking them down at home with their family going to prevent increased infections or deaths?

338888 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Kat, 2, #669 of 2035 🔗

You have something that’s in short supply at the moment..common sense!

338910 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Kat, 3, #670 of 2035 🔗

You will get there. Just keep bashing your mind against meaninglessness designed to thicken your skull until no room is left for thinking anything but what you are told.

The viral nature of thought is self-evident and directly observable, yet this runs unchecked while a projected representation of such active intent can be assigned to almost anything and ‘stamped out’.

Your critical awareness is being stamped out by engaging with a mind virus as if it can be rendered comprehensible.

In simple Fear says STOP! KEEP OUT! to wall off no-go areas of your being from free participation. In some ways that is it function, but yours is to evaluate it in the context of what is truly present – rather than react to triggering habit patterns of a past that is not here now – excepting fear stamps it on the face of a presence that would rise to live but for the protection of ‘Big Bother’.

In all honesty I see viral and bacterial communication as our Life Support system and our attack on Life as a kind of arrested development – set as a survival mechanism from species trauma that is replicated in each life as our sense of separation by conflicts that are mapped out and lidded over as a ‘control’ mind that undermines our Call to joy in Life.

In Gt Walsingham (a Christian pilgrimage centre) I saw a shop called ‘Let the Children Live!’ Which I thought incongruous, for why say the obvious? But whatever adults are having to deal with in this mindfuck, we are herded to the denying of our children in ways that as I see will deliver them to ‘State Care’ (sic).

There really are people choosing to support such a power grab for a corporately captured ‘state’ under various hypnotic narratives that have been cultivated throughout our lives.

So I don’t allow my mind to ‘think’ in the frame of lies.
There is no sense in it to give time and energy or response to.
Love the truth.

339178 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Kat, 1, #671 of 2035 🔗

Because it’s a very clever virus. You know, it used to attack us if we went to the pub loo but not when we were sitting eating our scotch eggs.

338827 Binra, 2, #672 of 2035 🔗

Lockdown ‘wets’ might be more apt.

What possible good has or can be achieved or gained by the various forms of ‘lockdown’ that are imposed under the pretence of moral sacrifice for ‘making safe’?
None – excepting from the agenda of the degradation and replacement of human being, by control systems targeted at every facet of our mind, behaviour and social interactions and cultural endeavour.
Masked over fear and hate drives ‘control agenda’ to align in capture and control of financial and corporate systems of supply and all institutions of regulation, to feed on fear.

Feeding on our fear and using our hate as a proxy for effecting our own destruction.

Covid scepticism is less hidden within the folds of the ‘Church of the Holy Virus’ than ineffectually arguing in the long grass of its novel mutations that forever ‘rise again’.
Self-censorship operates the ‘captured opposition’ of a mind that cannot speak directly against a narrative that has protected status within the establishment of the day – which is not just the control class, but the active alignment of the ‘controlled class’ – both.

Covid scepticism calls on the pusher of it narrative assertions, and decisions regarding the redistribution of wealth and power, to provide evidence rather than rely on already running fears and beliefs in the public mind and in already established funding drives and marketing and power grabs in the corporate sector.

Repeat a big lie often enough and everyone has an invested opinion and reaction that feeds back into it operating as a social and political ‘reality’ by dint of the structure of social validation and funding or incentive that is generated at expense of the true health of the Body Politic.

This is the intended goal of those who select narratives by which to deconstruct our world as the prerequisite to ‘building back’ the controllers version of ‘better’ – who are given control by active support and compliance that is fitted to a deceitful sense of moral purpose masking over a hatred and fear of humanity and of life – that is a driven sense of blindness or dissociation as its salvation from direct exposure to self-hate.
Distancing or dissociation, locked down and fitted to a rule-bound and filters ‘mind’ (sic) operates a golem or parody of human being that is hollow and sightless to all but its master’s voice – which seems to promise freedom and protecting from fear while ratcheting up fear as an insane world calling on insane defences as ‘normal.

If you love your life you must also love the same in others. But if you have been phished by a fantasy of escaping who and what you fear or hate as your life, then you have forgotten what love is and who you are. The uncovering of fear or inner conflict needs to be brought to question rather than to frame and kettle the mind to a directed captivity of coercive dictate.

The externalising of our inner conflicts is the result of our capacity to deny them for a diversionary displacement in which some sense of mitigation, relief or escape is invested in, locked in and built upon. The voice for fear’s protection does not deliver us unto a peace from which to recognise our Good and align in its fulfilment.

This post continues on

338832 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 9, #673 of 2035 🔗

I don’t get stuck into the Covid material as much as many on here, but I get the feeling that our usual allies (Yeaden, Sikora, Heneghan, etc) are not rebutting the most recent scare stores (the new mutant strain, the massive rise in “cases” and Covid “deaths”) that have led to the latest lockdown. I feel it is all bunk based on the manic levels of testing done in this country and massive misattribution of the causes of death, but I just haven’t seen the rebuttal evidence from significant commentators. Am I right? I think this is why the sceptical position has been on the back foot recently.

338853 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to PhilipF, 8, #674 of 2035 🔗

Yeadon has been retweeting and commenting on Jonathan Engler’s analysis, e.g. “Yet again, watching London’s nightly news, you’re told of many “covid19 deaths”. But they’re not, are they? They misattributed deaths from other causes. Not from the virus. It’s not responsible for many deaths recently in London. Not even an epidemic any more. Don’t trust “cases”

338855 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to PhilipF, 6, #675 of 2035 🔗

Problem is even if they do debunk it, it won’t be seen by most people since the mainstream media wouldn’t touch it with a bargepole.

338875 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to PhilipF, 4, #676 of 2035 🔗

University of Oxford has not opened yet – so Heneghan may well be on holiday – remember this is his job (evidence based medicine) so may want a break from it all. I suspect he will update the data on the CEBM website soon.

338837 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 9, #677 of 2035 🔗

I am amazed we have not heard more about the fantastic news the the influenza virus has been defeated (see chart on todays blog) – this extraordinary life saving defeat of a virus that has been the bane of winter for ever – and now GONE.

This has got me thinking – if, in the summer, we rename covid, something like, just for example, ‘theflu’ – could this be the secret to defeating covid for the following winter?

338850 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Major Panic, 8, #678 of 2035 🔗

Some seem to think that if we eradicate this virus the usual 1500 deaths a day would drop by whatever amount COVID took up.

I’m afraid they may be disappointed.

338862 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #679 of 2035 🔗

I know, people don’t think that we live for ever but they don’t seem to understand that means people die – I’m not sure people have the capacity to think

339033 ▶▶ jos, replying to Major Panic, 1, #680 of 2035 🔗

Brilliant plan!

339106 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Major Panic, 1, #681 of 2035 🔗

It hasn’t gone. it’s just been included with Covid deaths. They’ve been doing it since October. Someone wrote up the change but their post has disappeared.

339142 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Major Panic, 1, #682 of 2035 🔗

A friend of mine mentioned that yesterday, I replied flu has been rebranded as covid only for her to tell me when she was ill with flu and her symptoms 30y ago. Sadly she gave me no chance to explain how the govt has rebranded flu and she never listens. Especially to sth that does not involve her.

338844 l835, 14, #683 of 2035 🔗

The more doom and gloom I hear from doctors and nurses, the more I’m convinced they are using this to get more pay for less work.

338846 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 37, #684 of 2035 🔗

I just wrote a long and open letter to Toby and the editorial team. I have been dismayed with the wording regarding vaccinations as our tickets to freedom today…
Our freedom is non-negotiable. We are sovereign and free by default, it is our birthright.

I also pointed out that Lockdown Sceptics should start engaging with the financial side of things and invite guest commentators from the financial sector. I mean, c’mon… how exactly do we think we will get out of this deficit…? It is the only way to get ahead of the mainstream curve and start waking more people up. At the moment, lockdowns just aren’t hurting enough… when you lose your home and can’t get a mortgage or put food on the table, then it’ll hurt. I mean what are the predicted scenarios by the government to tackle this crisis financially?

And more importantly, why is there no cost-benefit analysis to the new lockdown…? I of course would argue that there isn’t one because they don’t want one and because they know the Central Banks are pushing for the Great Reset. It is only Lockdown Sceptics and the British population that think it isn’t happening… because “they wouldn’t do that without our consent”.

If I am a soulless, filthy rich Central Banker…what better scenario can I think of to roll out an all enslaving digital system than having the people sit at home and wait for a new virus surge to pass…?

Almost every financial person who I know has nodded in the direction of the Great Reset – whether that is a long-planned conspiracy or a mid-short-term reaction is actually irrelevant. They have been wanting to test the e-Euro for months now, but are running into logistical issues. A friend from high up in HSBC confirmed this… and he said “it’s coming”. So if Europe is actively preparing to abolish cash and go for the e-Euro exclusively… what exactly is happening with our darling Sterling Pound then?

Th key however is… we won’t get to have a say. They want to flick that switch and present us with the “solution” to the “problem” created by Coronavirus and the “reaction” by printing endless amounts of money in the basement… we all know what that leads to. So just like lockdowns… we don’t really get to have a say, do we…?

I suggested to Toby to start shining a torch onto his own blind spot – the idea that this is just governmental incompetence. Once you start looking at the financial side of things, you realise quickly… it is not coincidental. It’s systematic corruption.. for a reason. Whilst Big Pharma, and Big Tech, and all our governments have been left unscathed in this “pandemic”, and have even accumulated vast swaths of wealth, the ordinary citizen has been left to rot… we are witnessing a real-time bank robbery of the old financial system before they want to roll out the new (digital) system.

338854 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Pebbles, 6, #685 of 2035 🔗

Hear, hear!

338867 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Pebbles, 9, #686 of 2035 🔗

Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to regard it as a sign of worldly wisdom and sophistication to maintain that they’re above paying attention to “conspiracy theories”. And I’m afraid Toby is one of these people.

338907 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #687 of 2035 🔗

To be fair, there are a number of articles on the right hand side, that have dealt with this aspect.

338927 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Pebbles, 1, #688 of 2035 🔗

I think the problem lies with the term ‘conspiracy theory’ – which is a bit of a comic-book image about universal Blofelds.

That certainly doesn’t reflect the reality.

339028 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to RickH, 2, #689 of 2035 🔗

Reality will bite pretty soon in form of our economy taking a professional nosedive. And it may be the only way left to wake people up. People who can’t draw a red line when someone coerces them into taking an untested experimental mRNA vaccine “for the greater good”, may wake up when their life as they know it crumbles under their feet due to the economy doing a Titanic on them. Then again: there will be plenty content with universal income and watching Netflix all day. Maybe Covid-strain 237 will get them…

339805 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Pebbles, 1, #690 of 2035 🔗

Will they have Netflix in the internment camps?

339167 ▶▶▶ ChrisW, replying to RickH, #691 of 2035 🔗

On the other hand, Klaus Schwab definitely looks like Blofeld…

339802 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, 2, #692 of 2035 🔗

“Conspiracy theorist “…is a term coined by Allen Dulles CIA the director in the 1960’s to describe people trying to expose the truth.

338858 Christopher, 3, #693 of 2035 🔗

Interesting conversation with the carpenter at work yesterday , The job is currently falling behind because he spent two weeks before the Christmas break self isolating because his wife tested positive and became quite poorly ( although from what he describes of her symptoms she clearly just had the flu ) . He also got himself tested and it came back negative despite them being at close contact at all times and him looking after her the whole week she was poorly . After the worst of her symptoms passed they both had a second test and they both tested negative so he has returned to work . I tried to get his brain ticking over and think about why it’s very odd that he never tested positive or had any symptoms despite be at close proximity to his wife at all times including the place she was adamant she had caught it ( shopping in Asda ) .
He did come to the conclusion that it’s really not that bad to catch it and it is clearly not easily transmissible and the current hysteria ” is all a load of Bollocks really ”
Some of the other lads gathered round while he was regaling us with his WhuFlu experience were still wary of going near him so a made a point of shaking his hand .

338860 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 38, #694 of 2035 🔗

Hear me out on this – but I actually think that we sceptics are in quite the privileged position. Of course, that statement will raise eyebrows when you consider the abuse and vitriol some of our number receive for not subscribing to the Covid orthodoxy. However, what cannot be denied is the fact that we are the few beacons of rationality in a sea of rampant hysteria – we are the cool heads in potentially the greatest act of self-harm the human race has ever inflicted upon itself. That is a very powerful position to be in.

In the years and decades to come, when future generations seek answers to the causes of this catastrophe, OUR stories will be the ones that matter. Our observations will be crucial to piece together the truth. The bedwetting, fascist collaborators will be forever remembered for their cowardice, for their rank stupidity. Their name will be mud. We on the other hand will be able to look our children and great-grandchildren in the eye and tell them that we were one of the few who fought for their futures, for their lives.

It may not feel like it now, but in time we will all feel incredibly proud of what we have achieved. We are the heroes in this story.

338878 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Scotty87, 7, #695 of 2035 🔗

I think we are as well. But we may have to accept that we won’t live long enough to see ourselves so regarded.

338973 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 5, #696 of 2035 🔗

But we may have to accept that we won’t live long enough to see ourselves so regarded.

No problem. I plan to spend a reasonable period of the afterlife haunting Handcock.

338898 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Scotty87, 2, #697 of 2035 🔗

If we get to Mad Max world then I want to be Tina Turner sending Coronatarians to the Thunderdome

339279 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #698 of 2035 🔗

My new year’s resolution is to go full Sarah Connor by the end of February…

338964 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Scotty87, 1, #699 of 2035 🔗

I hope so, there are still days when I feel like I’m the insane person not the rest of the world.

339788 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ambwozere, #700 of 2035 🔗

Never doubt yourself.

338966 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Scotty87, 1, #701 of 2035 🔗

Great post Scotty87.

– we are the cool heads in potentially the greatest act of self-harm the human race has ever inflicted upon itself.

(You do have proof it’s not a bunch of demonic aliens then ?).

339784 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Scotty87, 2, #702 of 2035 🔗

All the data will be deleted, all the books, magazines, newspapers burned. People will be corralled, never to leave their neighbourhoods. There won’t be any relic of the past for the Third-Class plantation workers to investigate. That is unless people start fighting for to regain their freedom. We need to defeat the fearmongering. Some way needs to be found to destroy the narrative.

338863 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #703 of 2035 🔗

If we really think about it logically, all the actions being taken are to stop the additional excess deaths over and above the norm.

Which is far less than the daily death count.

338885 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #704 of 2035 🔗

Thing is – current deaths are below ‘the norm’ (average). Do we increase them to keep level? 🙂

338911 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to RickH, 1, #705 of 2035 🔗

Shhh, keep that to yourself otherwise people might question what the hell is going on.

338869 alw, replying to alw, 5, #706 of 2035 🔗

Our deeply unhealthy relationship with death has a lot to answer for. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1346518040343678979 )

338960 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to alw, 1, #707 of 2035 🔗

This is so true and what I’ve always believed in. Which is probably why I don’t understand why there is a need to protect the human race from every little thing that might or might not kill us.

This is what happens when you get people to believe that governments and the medical profession will save you no matter what the cost.

339736 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ambwozere, #708 of 2035 🔗

Remember, ‘they’ are following the Agenda.

338872 Teebs, replying to Teebs, 5, #709 of 2035 🔗

Only 355 days left to ruin Christmas, folks!

338884 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Teebs, 3, #710 of 2035 🔗

There’s a small part of me that would relish telling my little girl Xmas is cancelled because the government said so.

Just a very small evil part of me.

338895 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #711 of 2035 🔗

It’s for her own and the Greater Good, N21. You know you have to do it..

338879 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 9, #712 of 2035 🔗

I see the disgusting scum that goes by the name of the Metropolitan Police is reaching levels of depravity unimaginable 12 months ago. From The Telegraph (paywall):



Police are to stop people in the street and ask them to explain why they are out during the lockdown [papers please], senior officers have warned.

In a new hardline [sic] approach, Scotland Yard warned that people will face fines if they have not got a legitimate explanation.

. . . . .

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Matt Twist, who leads the Met’s response to the Covid pandemic, said: “After ten months of this pandemic, the number of people who are genuinely not aware of the restrictions and the reasons they are in place is vanishingly small.

“We know the overwhelming majority of Londoners will do the right thing by staying at home, wearing masks and not gathering, but a small minority continue to ignore rules put in place to protect the NHS and save lives.

“Our first duty as police officers is to preserve life. The critical situation our NHS colleagues are facing and the way the new virus variant moves through communities, means we can no longer spend our time explaining or encouraging people to follow rules they are wilfully and dangerously breaching.

“Less than a month ago we launched a new digital fines system, which makes it quicker and easier for officers to issue fines on the spot. Since its launch more people have been reported for fines than in the rest of the year combined; this is also an indicator of a worsening position in the epidemic, and officers stepping in more quickly to try to keep communities safe.

. . . . .

Police chiefs said officers would move more quickly to fine offenders under the new tough rules as they would no longer accept ignorance as an excuse.

They also anticipate an increase in the number of breaches amid a growing sense of fatigue and frustration among the public over the extension of bans on household mixing, shopping and most outdoor contacts and sports.


338887 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tenchy, 3, #713 of 2035 🔗

Fake name
Fake address
Fake papers (easy to run up online)
Fake employer (easy to get online)
Make it a game – it’s fun

338891 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tenchy, 4, #714 of 2035 🔗

So the police are just an armed wing of the NHS.

338899 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 8, #715 of 2035 🔗

The policing of Public Health is the core ground on which this war has been selected to be fought. It is where all freedoms are being stopped.

338917 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 7, #716 of 2035 🔗

The Provisional NHS.

338933 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mark, 1, #717 of 2035 🔗

Or the B specials?

338940 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mark, 1, #718 of 2035 🔗

The Real NHS

338894 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tenchy, 1, #719 of 2035 🔗

Can you hear the ratchet turning?

338914 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mattghg, 13, #720 of 2035 🔗

Classic frog-boiling technique. Now the people meekly accept things from the authorities that they would never have considered accepting a year ago.

Never forget what the likes of Ferguson, Whitty, Vallance, Johnson, Starmer and all the collaborators have taken from us. Never forgive them for what they have done.

338904 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Tenchy, 3, #721 of 2035 🔗

Gotta raise some cash somehow

338923 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tenchy, 5, #722 of 2035 🔗

My reason will be “I’m off to join a Tik Tok routine”

338935 ▶▶ mj, replying to Tenchy, #723 of 2035 🔗

to avoid paywall disallow javascript for the specific site

338963 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Tenchy, #724 of 2035 🔗

Ahead of protest marches perhaps?

338972 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Tenchy, 3, #725 of 2035 🔗

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/8/made here are the amendments to the SI, there are virtually no changes apart from a few definitions such as defining outdoor gyms etc with the legislation for clarity, plus adding PCSO’s in a few places as authorised officers. There are no changes to enact what the MET claim they will be doing, this is just the Police getting ideas abpve their station. Make sure you carry a copy of the SI on your phone. You cannot be arrested for any contraventions. The word arrest does not appear anywhere with the SI.
End date is 31 March for the general regulations and 31st of July for gatherings, protests, marches etc. So that’s it lockdown for the unforseeable future

339071 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tenchy, 3, #726 of 2035 🔗

Deplete police ranks:
Report yourself as positive and give the coppers’ numbers to T&T forcing them to self-isolate.
It would be nice to think it might actually work, but somehow I can’t see it. Got to have dreams, though.

339133 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tenchy, 2, #727 of 2035 🔗

And who will be hit by this again? Young black men.

339161 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tenchy, 2, #728 of 2035 🔗

So the police can’t believe people don’t know the restrictions?

That’s rich, given that most of the police don’t know the law.

338880 RickH, 16, #729 of 2035 🔗

I think Sinead Murphy’s point is a good one :

“…emotional response does not mean that we must depart from our facts, which we have mustered so carefully and which we justifiably treasure; but we ought to feel freer to infuse them with the moral feeling that we have incorrectly judged it best to put aside for the good of our mission.”

We must remain rooted in fact rather than just raging about the ‘sheeple’ etc. – which is boring and pointless, if occasionally justified as a steam-blowing exercise.

But, on that factual basis, an emotional appeal can be built around the damage done by lies and fabrications. About the forgotten victims – children abused on a routine basis by deprivation of social contact and forced mask-wearing. About the solitary and the elderly forced into isolation. About the suicides. About the general cynical exploitation involved in the pursuit of a political agenda.

… and never get trapped into apologising for a natural level of mortality.

338890 Basics, replying to Basics, 20, #730 of 2035 🔗

Brief but true incident/chat to relate. No particular reason. Rambling.

Young carehome worker friend yesterday got in touch to chat – they live alone and started their job not long before March 2020. They have done brilliantly imo.

My friend had been for a walk by themselves on their day off. Along a canal tow path. Timid as they are, when my friend came up behind two strangers walking slowly in the same direction as them the pace slowed. Too shy to call excuse me and pass my friend became cold at the slower pace. That’s it.

My friend later passes the time of day with staff at their work. And mentions the above paragraph. Well, there have been all kinds of demands placed on my friend by colleagues now. Don’t go for a walk again, keep metres back, you were wrong to keep walking, you shouldn’t have been there, wear a mask, etc. My friend was confused by this enough to get in touch with me to chat about it.

It came to light a ring leader in the staff who were disapproving of a walk in the fresh air is pregnant and takes many fag breaks regardless. To me, even accounting for the addiction, that is one of the lowest acts that can be done. Other care staff were respecting and reinforcing this persons fear and alarm over an innocent Winter’s day walk.

The governmental mind manipulation has worked completely with that group, they are headless chickens clucking about without any thought of self responsibility merely lurching from tickbox to tickbox without consideration beyond their own noses.

What impressed me was my friends mind on this matter. My friend is not a complicated thinker, they are fond of TV and some of the very worst unwatchable programmes, much worse than merely BBC News! And yet! Although exposed to the very same conditioning as other staff my friend has kept a sense of perspective and responsibilty. It comes from within.

338953 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 4, #731 of 2035 🔗

Nothing is worse than BBC News …

339128 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basics, 4, #732 of 2035 🔗

I think the important part in your story is that there is one vocal person among the staff and the others go along with her.

339148 ▶▶ Kat, replying to Basics, 7, #733 of 2035 🔗

Your anecdote reminds me of an online meeting with colleagues on Monday, shortly before Boris’ announcement. We were discussing the plans for returning to work next week, which had been delayed because of schools not being open. I teach adults and had been doing that face to face all last term.

It was clear from the mood music that most of my colleagues were reluctant to go into work. One in particular, a woman some years younger than me was particularly worried, claiming that she wouldn’t be able to get her parents to provide childcare. I’m not sure why this should have been any more of an issue for her now than it had been before Christmas but for many like her, Lock down just makes life simpler. She expressed surprise that no-one (including our students) had come down with Covid last term but was then able to summon up the case of a student who had contracted it after the end of term. There was then a warning from a senior manager that of course we might all be asymptomatic and that many of the students can’t have been following all the rules to isolate when they felt ill. The conclusion was that we had just been ‘lucky’. I am already persona non gratis because I’m the only one who refuses to wear a mask but I just wanted to weep at how easily people threw in the towel.

At the same time, all of my colleagues readily admitted that you cannot possibly teach people properly online or by sending them worksheets and that they will simply not progress. It made me wonder if In their hearts, people know this is simply a huge confidence trick but they are still able to hold completely divergent views at the same time without any problems.

339273 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Kat, 2, #734 of 2035 🔗

Home on full pay, what’s not to like? You’d be a fool not to.

338892 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 2, #735 of 2035 🔗

Well, if—purely hypothetically speaking, you understand—someone from round here was planning to travel to London to protest, they would find that it has gotten harder to do so since the last lockdown.

338906 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to mattghg, 2, #736 of 2035 🔗

Maybe we’ll have to march on the capital. Like they did in the days before steam.

338926 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to mattghg, 2, #737 of 2035 🔗

A modern day Jarrow march perhaps?

338943 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to p02099003, 2, #738 of 2035 🔗

Absolutely but knowing the mentality of the collaborators, the sheep will probably stone and assault ( sutably masked and social distanced of course) any such march.

338954 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to p02099003, #739 of 2035 🔗

Oh if only.. the majority of the ninnies around me won’t come out from behind the sofa..

338893 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, #740 of 2035 🔗

Imperial College are saying the IFR is 1% which is in line with their ludicrously wrong estimates of anything at all in the past. Does anyone have a credible IFR calculation?

338919 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #741 of 2035 🔗

Malcolm Kendrick perhaps. IFR estimated between 0.1% to 0.5%?

338925 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #742 of 2035 🔗

Latest IFR study published on the WHO Website

Results I included 61 studies (74 estimates) and eight preliminary national estimates. Seroprevalence estimates ranged from 0.02% to 53.40%. Infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 1.63%, corrected values from 0.00% to 1.54%. Across 51 locations, the median COVID-19 infection fatality rate was 0.27% (corrected 0.23%): the rate was 0.09% in locations with COVID-19 population mortality rates less than the global average (< 118 deaths/million), 0.20% in locations with 118–500 COVID-19 deaths/million people and 0.57% in locations with > 500 COVID-19 deaths/million people. In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.

338939 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Andrew K, #743 of 2035 🔗

Where was the 0.00% study? Not a covid denier, just asking for a friend

338986 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to PoshPanic, #744 of 2035 🔗

Look at table 4 (pages 31-32) of that report it list the regions of 0%

England listed at .27% (.22 corrected what ever that means) age <70
But 1.16 (0.93) all age.
(9th July)

However I suspect those numbers are much lower given testing was low before 9th July

338929 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #745 of 2035 🔗

Ioannadis’ median estimate was 0.25%, range of 0.1-0.3%.

338962 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #746 of 2035 🔗

Uk only? Would love to see how they diverge so much from other countries and if ICL try and explain it. Because then you get into the fact that the large majority of fatalities are determined by demographics an prophylactic treatments deployed.

Not how many soft play centres you close.

338896 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 11, #747 of 2035 🔗

Johnson follows ‘the science’, until it suits him to NOT follow the science on the vaccine. Parliament is infiltrated with mediocre brainwashed globalist Blairites

338901 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to DanClarke, 3, #748 of 2035 🔗

Apparently there’s only one correct science and that’s extreme lockdown at every opportunity.

The fanatics are even calling out SAGE for not being scientific enough.

338936 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #749 of 2035 🔗

Re the vaccine and the times between jabs, ‘the science’ seems to have been deemed irrelevant, in the rush to stab everyone.

338941 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 1, #750 of 2035 🔗

… and Brexiteers

338905 Wolver, #751 of 2035 🔗


Link to parliament ‘debate’. If anyone can stomach it.

338909 DanClarke, 2, #752 of 2035 🔗

A speculative muse ‘Johnson ordered, you do it or we will’

338915 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 10, #753 of 2035 🔗

Maybe the masses are beginning to turn. Have just received this from someone I would not describe as being a lockdown sceptic up to now.

338942 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Biggles, 9, #754 of 2035 🔗

You sure? I know people who love the lockdowns that send this stuff thinking they are being funny. Not realising of course their full support for this is causing massive damage and leading to lives being lost on an obscene scale.

338987 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Biggles, 12, #755 of 2035 🔗

Captain Tom is a dupe and a fool.

339049 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 8, #756 of 2035 🔗

And his family know when they- and the consultancy business they run- are onto a good thing. Tom Moore himself is a decent man from a different time, and probably genuinely believes he’s doing good things in a good cause- I don’t blame him for the way he’s being exploited.

339116 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 7, #757 of 2035 🔗

I cannot stand all the people who gave donations, believing it goes to the NHS.
Firstly, why should we found a service which is supposed to be funded?
2ndly, the money goes to NHS charities. What do they actually do? I heard a comment that a nurse said they can by lockers to put their handbags in.
Ok, my mother retired as nurse 20 years ago, and the financial situation might be different now, but they had a changing room and lockers, uniform provided and washed by the hospital.

339259 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Biggles, 4, #758 of 2035 🔗

“If” we do come out of lockdown in spring, the first order of business should be to reform the NHS so it can NEVER be overwhelmed by normal winter respiratory illness. I don’t care how much it costs, it has got to be cheaper than what we are doing at the moment.

339442 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Fiona Walker, #759 of 2035 🔗

But they’d have to lock down in order to protect our NHS whilst it was being reformed.
(Word of advice: Don’t use the definite article with ‘NHS’. The forces of re-education will swoop on it and snatch you away to their camps.)

338922 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 7, #760 of 2035 🔗

How will they ever remove the restrictions, there will always be a coronavirus around

338937 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DanClarke, 4, #761 of 2035 🔗

The CMO for Northern Ireland Ian Young said exactly that. “I don’t imagine a time when Covid will not be with us” was what he told a committee this morning.

338970 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #762 of 2035 🔗

Exactly, it will be like the flu jab, makes money but trashes the economy at the same time. If they had kept it low key, said the public need 2 jabs this year it could have worked, but they appear to want the economy trashed, so another agenda.

339000 ▶▶ jos, replying to DanClarke, 3, #763 of 2035 🔗

But that’s the whole point.. they don’t want it to end

339110 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to DanClarke, #764 of 2035 🔗

“Vaccine”. Might be an annual jab.

339246 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, #765 of 2035 🔗

5 that they know of
probably more slipped under the radar every year (up until now) “mystery virus”
Doubt the test can tell the difference either

338924 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 7, #766 of 2035 🔗

Lockdown becomes LAW: Boris Johnson is set to face MPs ahead of vote | Daily Mail Online

So for all the bravado of this Daily Mail piece, the legislation does NOT insist on exercise being local (even if the guidelines do) and there is NO change to the powers of entry of the police in England.

338932 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #767 of 2035 🔗

The DM is a propaganda rag, if vulnerable people are reading it, it must be terrifying them.

338948 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to DanClarke, 3, #768 of 2035 🔗

I think they are using fear because they know the public are fed up and the police are exhausted and depleted. I for one intend to test the exercise point to its limits – there is nothing in the legislation that restricts exercise to your local area.

338961 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to jhfreedom, #769 of 2035 🔗

I agree. First time lockdown I exercised my rights and no one cared either, the media are getting into people’s heads, yes panic is setting in that what happened when they tried it before, could happen again, ie falls apart

338992 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to DanClarke, 4, #770 of 2035 🔗

Will go to central London for my exercise this weekend, armed with the parliamentary legislation, the Gov UK rules and the soon-to-be-published College of Policing guidelines. I suspect no one will bat an eyelid and it will be quite pleasant.

339013 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #771 of 2035 🔗

I work in C London and can tell you that the police do not give ashit about anyone walking around. They have been removing a lot of homeless people from the streets since new year.Very strange.

339083 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #772 of 2035 🔗

Suspected as much. I suppose where I am at most of risk of being questioned is on the drive up. But having scoured the legislation there is NOTHING to stop you travelling for exercise. We are now all in an upgraded version of Tier 4. Like a common travel area but not as nice.

338990 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #773 of 2035 🔗

Some police had been trying to enforce this during the tiers phase, and yet the Tier law made no mention at all of travel. It was concerned with ‘gathering’.

338947 Anti_socalist, replying to Anti_socalist, 9, #774 of 2035 🔗

Once again following the debate on Dr David McGrogan’s piece. I feel compelled to comment. If you keep trying to reasonably debate this your going to keep triggering me.

Look the people that use emotional blackmail as an argument aren’t interested in any other opinion, they don’t want to debate anything, they don’t want to convert you, they don’t care if you agree with them or not.

They just want to dominate and destroy you & your values, by forcing their beliefs on you! They have an immovable position & an erroneous arrogance occupying some imaginary high moral righteousness, you can not change their beliefs with either fact or fiction, emotion or reality, words & data are wasted on them.

I’ve changed my mind lets have a total lockdown, no one is allowed out of their home for 90 days for any reason at all, no government support, other than 90 days rations, then lets face the reality of the consequences, thats what they want give them some cold hard reality of what it means. Let them learn from experience otherwise this will never end.

338980 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Anti_socalist, 1, #775 of 2035 🔗


339113 ▶▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to rockoman, 3, #776 of 2035 🔗

Sorry the nuance in your satirical reply was to subtle for me.

Lets stop messing around here give them a short sharp experience of communism north korea style. Its very easy just freeze the economy for 90 days by simply shutting down the banking system. That’ll shut everything down. Anyone found wandering the streets is imprisoned with rations to do the rest of their 90 day sentence.

At the end of 90 days all viruses will return & prove the pointlessness of lockdowns & how useless the vaccine is. Its the only way to prove it to them. If we don’t this obsession with draconian dictate will never end, the government has a taste for it now! Something will break if it doesn’t stop.

Its our only hope Obi -Wan Kenobi


339546 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Anti_socalist, #777 of 2035 🔗

Unfortunately, letting up on the tyranny is not in the playbook. Unless we gather ten times as many to our cause as we have at the moment, they will not deviate from the agenda.

Leaflets, stickers, pamphlets, sharing videos and memes, correcting falsehoods, discrediting the 77th ( SS ) brigade …

339527 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Anti_socalist, #778 of 2035 🔗

I think you may well have outlined roughly what is in the pipeline.

338955 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 35, #779 of 2035 🔗

Sir Desmond Swayne lying back in his seat in Parliament looking fit to burst with rage at Johnson’s lies.

338959 ▶▶ John P, replying to DanClarke, 17, #780 of 2035 🔗

One of the few good men in the House.

338985 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 11, #781 of 2035 🔗

I wish he would do a Michael Heseltine and just grab the mace.

338988 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, 3, #782 of 2035 🔗

Whatever his motives, we need another Oliver Cromwell.

338996 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #783 of 2035 🔗

Indeed. And have these words ever been more apt:

It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place,
which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice.
Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government.
Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices?
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.

Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God’s help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do.
I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place.
Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!

339055 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, 1, #784 of 2035 🔗

One of my favourite speeches.

339454 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to kh1485, #785 of 2035 🔗

Great stuff

339523 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to kh1485, #786 of 2035 🔗

Time again to cleanse the Augean stable.

340033 ▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to kh1485, #787 of 2035 🔗

Still so powerful and relevant.

338957 John P, replying to John P, 22, #788 of 2035 🔗

I’m sorry Will, but this “new strain” is a BLOODY LIE to elicit compliance and obedience.

How bloody stupid can people be to fall for it.

338984 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to John P, 2, #789 of 2035 🔗

How stupid do you want to them to be?

339011 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #790 of 2035 🔗

I don’t want people to be stupid at all.

I want it to end NOW.



Clear? Clear enough?

How much more clear do you want me to be? Come on? How much more clear can I make it for you?

339027 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 2, #791 of 2035 🔗


339023 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #792 of 2035 🔗

I’m waiting Philip?

Are you trying to kill me? I’m so angry I can barely write!

My hands are shaking.

339032 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to John P, 11, #793 of 2035 🔗

No John, you’ve got me wrong because I’m totally agreeing with you.
What I meant was that the collaborators and sheep will be as stupid as the government, experts and the MSM want them to be.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I certainly don’t want to lose any LS friends; it’s you lot who keep me going.

339034 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #794 of 2035 🔗

That’s okay, Philip. I apologise. I’m feeling very sensitive at the moment.

339047 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to John P, 8, #795 of 2035 🔗

I know how you feel, John.
I could cheerfully strangle certain members of my own family.
Also it’s putting a 48 year marriage under strain.
Like you, John I will never ever forgive these bastards. (Most politicians, experts, collaborators and sheep).
Stay Strong, John.

339677 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to John P, #796 of 2035 🔗

No shit. 🙂

339030 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #797 of 2035 🔗

Close to a mental breakdown there, Philip. Thanks for that.

339053 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to John P, 6, #798 of 2035 🔗

We are all suffering, John.

339022 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to John P, 6, #799 of 2035 🔗

George Carlin once said : Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

So no point of wondering, this is the reality.

338968 Teebs, 16, #800 of 2035 🔗

Heroic effort by Toby on Newsnight and he was not just up against Ian Dunt but also Maitlis who interspersed every question with an attacking statement like “hospitals are full of covid patients and cannot treat people for other conditions”. Where the hell did that come from? And then she has the nerve to attack Toby Young and lockdown sceptics for “spreading false information”?!?!!?!?!

338976 Fingerache Philip, 4, #801 of 2035 🔗

Present situation: As Joe Hill (A socialist icon and legend) said:”Don’t mourn, organize!”.

338978 Ian Reid, 13, #802 of 2035 🔗

Sorry don’t have time to search to see if there is other comments on Toby’s Newsnight appearance last night. But here are my thoughts on it.

  1. How far gone are the BBC? No surprise there, but the barely concealed contempt Emily Maitlis had for Toby was still shocking.
  2. I think Toby’s mea culpa for his July post was unnecessary. We know viruses are seasonal and I don’t think anything he wrote contradicted that, and his statement still stood.
  3. I’m uncomfortable with death estimates for lockdowns of 130 million in the 3rd World being bandied around. In my view these are as shaky as any statistic that Ferguson has come up with. It would be best to just say it will cause enormous suffering to the poorest people in the World. That’s incontrovertible, and powerful without the need for dodgy estimates.

But overall against a biased interviewer, and an opponent who pretty much said something anodyne to all the softballs that were lobbed at him, I think Toby did well. The problem with these sort of interviews is that they aren’t well suited to put across the nuanced arguments that support our case. In the time allotted it is pretty much impossible for anything else other than to contradict what the other party is saying, without developing your own arguments.

338979 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 4, #803 of 2035 🔗

Switched Parliament off, they are on a mission and its sickening

339007 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DanClarke, 4, #804 of 2035 🔗

It is. Sammy Wilson just stepped up, though. Asked why a third lockdown would be appropriate when the first two didn’t work. Bozo saying that the first 2 lockdowns did stop the NHS being overwhelmed.

339016 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #805 of 2035 🔗

So someone asked for proof of that and was told, the proof is that the hospitals are not overwhelmed !! So then one would say, ‘so why lockdowns’. ‘To stop the hospitals getting overwhelmed’ …………

339031 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DanClarke, 6, #806 of 2035 🔗

Yes, it’s all pointless. No real debate or attempt to pintpoint facts will ever happen in the House of Commons. I think I’ve only just now really accepted that.

338981 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #807 of 2035 🔗

A girl I grew up with who now lives in Western Australia (near Perth), has been posting pictures on faceache these past few days of her and her son in a packed stadium to watch cricket. Crowds and not a mask in sight on anyone. I assume things are back to normal there? Seems literally worlds away from here.

338999 ▶▶ mj, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #808 of 2035 🔗

whilst victoria became a police state, most of the other states carried reasonably normally with sporting events taking place in NSW, “Queensland and WA .

339010 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #809 of 2035 🔗

Normal compared to our abnormal but far from 2019 normal with travel restrictions (even internally within aus), quarantines and fines etc.

I think we have to be very careful not to forget what normal actually is, and settle for nothing less.

339002 peyrole, 3, #810 of 2035 🔗

Any remote chance that there could be some moderating influence on this has gone apparently with the votes in Georgia.

339003 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 15, #811 of 2035 🔗

Why is our country now being run by a pseudo-scientific mafia? Whitty, Vallance & SAGE are now in charge. They’re like a gang all singing from the same hymn sheet. Ferguson gets to peddle the same message whenever he likes on national TV without remit or oversight. Boris and Matt, presumably beguiled by “expertise” combined with the hubristic opportunity for their own Churchill moments are bowing down to this newly empowered mob. A coup has taken place but no-one has realised. Of course the Mafia used their control to sell alcohol and then drugs. This lot are selling vaccines.

339059 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Achilles, 4, #812 of 2035 🔗

Whitty and Vallance are only in ‘charge’ at the whim of the prime muppet.
Having no power base of their own they can be cast aside like a royal strumpet or catamite when their lord becomes bored with them.

339084 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to karenovirus, 2, #813 of 2035 🔗

Absolutely right.

I know that, by definition, Johnson and Co. are pretty stupid. But, not so stupid as to not be able to recognise that the medical mafia they employ is noted only for being consistently wrong.

339089 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to karenovirus, 3, #814 of 2035 🔗

But they can exercise power through the media. Ferguson can put a scare story out, the media clamour begins, government policy changes.

339475 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to karenovirus, 3, #815 of 2035 🔗

I dont think so after the performance yesterday and the way Johnson talked. They have an agenda and they a pushing it by briefing against everything Johnson says when he doesn’t say/do what they want. he capitulated as he suspects/knows if he blows the other way they will brief against him and blame him directly for the potential lost lives.
He let them out of their lamp and he cant get them back in. With Snake Gove slithering around in the background ready to knife him in the back. Johnson set all this up by letting Wancock run riot in the beginning. He let it all get away from him. If Whitty or Vallance brief against him they should be sacked.
He could afford to make a complete example out of Ferguson, but even a targeet that easy is to hard for him. Hes just a fat, lazy, spinless slob

339005 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 12, #817 of 2035 🔗

funny. I have used zoe app from the beginning. every day I have filled out no symptoms.

yesterday and today I put a single symptom – ‘depressed’ – mainly to register my discontent at lockdown3

the app has just invited me and my entire family to have a self administered covid-19 PCR test due to my ‘range of symptoms’! as if!

339107 ▶▶ mj, replying to steve_w, 1, #818 of 2035 🔗

well, depression is a symptom ….. unfortunately of lockdown rather than covid.. Unfortunately they want to treat any symptom as a covid symptom
maybe each day you select a new symptom. and get more extreme each day, and test the system – see if you get the invite.

339008 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 12, #819 of 2035 🔗

I used to believe the big issue was the PCR test, but now upon further thought I believe it’s the question of asymptomatic transmission. The difference between ZOE and PCR is that the former needs symptoms. If the Government can get away with pushing the ‘asymptomatic infection’ mantra then that will smokescreen the bad PCR data. We need to find all we research we can regarding this. As I see it, symptoms are a sign that your body is fighting something. If no symptoms then either no infection or one so low that it’s harmless, to you or anyone else. Obviously there will be a tiny percentage of ‘presymptomatic spreaders’ but these are outliers.

The aim of this would be to at a minimum have PCR tests capped at a Ct of <35so they only pick up actual infections.

339043 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to eastender53, 17, #820 of 2035 🔗

Asymptomatic spread is a McGuffin created to explain nonsensical PCR results. The two go together hand in hand. Masks then follow on from the asymptomatic spread lie. PCR is the root cause, just as it was in 2007 https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html

339051 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to TheBluePill, 10, #821 of 2035 🔗

Great post!

Yes they test asymptomatic people (PCR test) then if they test positive (93% false positive rate) then say that asymptomatic infection happens and to stop it you must wear a mask and shun all social contact

339332 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #822 of 2035 🔗

My point is that if asymptomatic transmission was proven impossible or exceptionally rare the need to test asymptomatic people would disappear. We can’t stop the Reich from tweaking the PCR tests, we can make a case for not having them in the first place. Go back to the proper definition of a case. Clinically diagnosed by a medical professional.

339535 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to eastender53, #823 of 2035 🔗

Understood, but you would still potentially end up with them testing everyone with a sniffle, or one of the hundred or so alleged Covid symptoms.

339122 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to eastender53, 3, #824 of 2035 🔗

Good afternoon eastender

I completely concur.

I think that’s why Reiner Fuellmich has included that as part of his two-pronged attack.

Best regards


339009 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 16, #825 of 2035 🔗

Just been reading about the last time a vaccine was rushed out, Swine Flu back in 2010. It appears there were side effects especially in children, it caused narcolepsy which has been described as a living dead condition.

I’ll let the majority of idiots who think this is a panacea to all their lockdown problems go first and I’ll wait to be a very poor last place.

339014 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #826 of 2035 🔗

politicians and scientists seem to have a death wish. just give it to the vulnerable. if there are long term side effects it won’t matter

339038 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #827 of 2035 🔗

Thanks to whoever linked the official report on th swine flu epidemic:

I’ve skimmed the conclusions and they describe the mistakes currently being made, from over-reliance on models based on thin data, to failure to listen to alternative voices, to looking at models rather than at what’s happening on the ground.
Much of the cast of characters is, of course, the same (Ferguson, van Tam, Michie). Depressing!

339080 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #828 of 2035 🔗

Johnson doesnt read anything, apparently, so wouldnt know

339040 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #829 of 2035 🔗

Living dead condition? The zombies are in that already.

339072 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Smelly Melly, #830 of 2035 🔗

… and again – it’s worth reading the Council of Europe report re. Swine ‘Flu to see where all this stuff came from.

339077 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Smelly Melly, #831 of 2035 🔗

Even better was the swine flu vaxx in the ’70’s over in Yankistan

339019 rockoman, 11, #832 of 2035 🔗

I managed to watch the introduction to the interview.

Maitlis talking about ‘irrefutable scientific evidence’

Taking the Popperian view, if evidence is ‘irrefutable’ then it cannot be scientific. Karl Popper’s opinion was that the defining characteristic of science is that its claims are refutable, and that they can be continually tested.

Of course, taking a deeper look, evidence is what it is. The job of science is to collect evidence and develop theories which explain that evidence in a systematic way. It is strictly speaking, not evidence which is refutable or irrefutable, but the theories which explain that evidence.

Science progresses through refutation.

I can’t watch mainstream TV, but I would have hoped to see Toby taking this line.

339021 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #833 of 2035 🔗

Will this be the “final straw”? :Macdonald’s close their take away services.

339025 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #834 of 2035 🔗

There will be riots on the street. This oppressions will not stand!!

339057 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #835 of 2035 🔗

Ban booze
I want to see the masses on the streets

339144 ▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #836 of 2035 🔗

Booze is banned in South Africa, no rioting – just people rushing to buy pineapples and yeast to brew their own beer. We’re that used to government stuff ups!

339276 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Liewe, 1, #837 of 2035 🔗

Prohibition worked well in the USA in the 1920’s :NOT.

339024 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #838 of 2035 🔗

If Johnson thinks the first 2 lockdowns stopped the NHS becoming overwhelmed but it didn’t stop the ‘cases’ and the reason for yet another lockdown, why are the hospitals not overwhelmed?

339029 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to DanClarke, 5, #839 of 2035 🔗

Come come Dan – you’re applying cold, hard logical analysis. That kind of thinking is absent in our clueless Government.

339041 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DanClarke, 1, #840 of 2035 🔗

Two main hospitals here both car parks completely packed today unlike lockdown 1. when they were completely empty for three months and not full until September.

Not locked down for Covid at all.
Patients going in and out, not as many as usual but they are not allowed to be accompanied.

339026 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #841 of 2035 🔗

UK all cause death reporting is woeful. 2 weeks behind and this week and next week can’t be interpreted because of christmas and new year

339068 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 1, #842 of 2035 🔗

Don’t manufacture problems.

ONS reporting isn’t ‘woeful’. There is a time-lag – which gives time for necessary verification. The holiday drop-outs are just what happens. But better right than quick.

By and large – in this shit-show, the ONS has done pretty well, and, even with the time-lag, the all-cause mortality figures have been a bed-rock of reliable data against which to test the fictions.

Of course, they can’t alter the basis for other data coming from other bodies.

339076 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 2, #843 of 2035 🔗

Sweden’s daily all cause death reporting is far better

Heneghan has discussed this. We need deaths reported to go in real-time to some repository. This should be done in all countries so worthwhile comparisons can be made of the main statistic (all cause mortality) in time to actually base anything on. One of our problems is ONS shows no real excess mortality but its too lagged to base policy on. It just shows us in retrospect that all our policies were wrong

339616 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steve_w, #844 of 2035 🔗

Maybe yet another government/nhs IT system clusterfuck isn’t essential ? 🙂

339039 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #845 of 2035 🔗

Clapping is back

It is up to us to actively admonish the clappers!!!

  • Are they clapping for all the people that do not get cancer treatment?
  • Are they clapping for all the people that died due to no medical care?
  • Are they clapping for all the people in excruciating pain on very long waiting lists for operation?
  • are they clapping for all the pregnant woman who have to give labour on their own?
  • etc

Psychological test to see how many will still clap like seals whenever they have been told.

Please don’t give them the satisfaction. Have some dignity.


339044 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Victoria, 9, #846 of 2035 🔗

Must be clapping for those driven to suicide by reckless lockdown measures

339052 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 4, #847 of 2035 🔗


339069 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Victoria, 5, #848 of 2035 🔗

Lets just pray for a wild and stormy night

339609 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to DanClarke, #849 of 2035 🔗

Forecast for Sussex is -3C. Hope the sleet appears too.

339111 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Victoria, 3, #850 of 2035 🔗

Not to mention all the missed mammograms which will inevitably lead to missed diagnoses and deaths. In times past, judging by the incessant campaigns, we were encouraged to believe that women’s breasts were sacred. What changed?

339168 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to trevorpee, 3, #851 of 2035 🔗

I think I read in late summer that those were numbering a million already. A breast cancer charity pointed out that this would result in 8,000 missed diagnoses. How many deaths that will translate into is not known, but I don’t think it will be an insignificant number. Another avoidable tragedy.

339611 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to trevorpee, #852 of 2035 🔗

Quite a few analysts would say breast cancer rates might fall. Mixed opinions on mammograms, apparently.

339172 ▶▶ Teebs, replying to Victoria, 2, #853 of 2035 🔗

Anybody concerned with public health should be interested in reducing incidences of the clap.

339217 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, #854 of 2035 🔗

Boris won’t even be bothered this time. Starmer will raise it at PMQs. I’m being serious

339042 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 26, #855 of 2035 🔗

Good afternoon,

My son is sharing my working space, and I couldn’t help overhearing his English teacher (he’s Y8) – the topic being WW1 Propaganda.

She asked the class for more recent examples of propaganda to establish an understanding of the subject, before going on about Brexit and then said “A good example of positive propaganda is Boris Johnson’s Hands, Space, Face”.

Good job he had his mic muted as I launched into a tirade of expletives.

Best regards


339045 ▶▶ Annie, replying to SimonCook, 11, #856 of 2035 🔗

On the contrary, it’s a great pity the mike was muted.
What a disgusting, grovelling cow.

339109 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 5, #857 of 2035 🔗

A lot of the people influencing Project Fear behind the scenes will, literally, be the great-grandchildren of those who told the British people in September 1914 that German soldiers were raping and crucifying Belgian nuns. Perhaps “Miss” mentioned that in her guided tour of WW1 propaganda.

339048 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to SimonCook, 3, #858 of 2035 🔗

Teach your lad a good set of expletives of his own …

339058 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to SimonCook, 3, #859 of 2035 🔗

State of teaching these days, pumping their own propaganda

339094 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to SimonCook, 3, #860 of 2035 🔗

will kids not attending school actually benefit from reduced exposure to such corrupting propaganda? Similarly, who not being able to access the NHS (PBUH) during COVID rationing will not seek a better service outside the NHS when the crap has all settled? And who will put their safety in the tender hands of the OAP-bashing police? A nation declaring ‘UDI’ from the state ‘providers’ is really something to look forward to.

339046 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 4, #861 of 2035 🔗

Serious question (for once) …

at a ‘mental health support group’ meeting last night, one person said he had found it impossible to open a new business bank account, for a small non-profit limited company. Had tried 8 or 9 banks, all unwilling.

Anyone in retail banking know what is going on ?

339050 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), replying to JohnB, 1, #862 of 2035 🔗

Can’t answer but maybe worth trying https://www.tide.co/

A friend recently set up a business account with them, no issues.

339079 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), #863 of 2035 🔗

Could Triodos Bank be of use? It’s Dutch-owned.

339074 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to JohnB, 1, #864 of 2035 🔗

Yes – I have heard the same thing – someone I know has been trying to setup a bank account for a new charity hasn’t been able to. Can only think that banks have furloughed so many staff that they can’t provide a full service.

339131 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to JohnB, #865 of 2035 🔗

Not sure about the reason why they’re having problems, but Tide bank should let him open an LTD account. I know someone who opened one last week.

339234 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnB, 1, #866 of 2035 🔗

Inevitable. How can any forecast hold water for an existing SME, nevermind a new business

339598 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #867 of 2035 🔗

Great, thank you all. Have passed on suggestions.

339644 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #868 of 2035 🔗

Boo. Both tide and tridios said ‘No’. 🙁

Something’s going on …

339483 ▶▶ iansn, replying to JohnB, #869 of 2035 🔗

We use Tide for two Ltds. Set one up while we were on holiday in Mexico. As soon as the ltd is registered you do it all online. Takes two hours max. Fees are low.
I had banked with Lloyds in IOM for16 years, went to the local branch spoke to the girl, told them I was an old business customer. She took the details, said I’d hear in the week. Went back the following week and spoke to her again as no one got in touch. Still waiting to hear from Lloyds after nearly 2 years, not that Im bothered

339054 rockoman, 13, #870 of 2035 🔗

One issue that sceptics have not paid enough attention to, with the exception of Denis Rancourt, is the question of how viruses are transmitted.

Thee is now a great deal of evidence, going back quite a few years, that aerosol transmission – in conjunczion with humidity – plays a large role.

Look at this recent paper:



“Previous studies have shown that long-distance intercontinental winds do indeed transport microorganisms around the globe, as free organisms or attached to dust particles. We hypothesize that dust plus virus transport on global winds could be an important element in the dynamics of the COVID-19 pandemic. This fits the patterns of global incidence, if we make the further assumption that the jetstream is caught up in the stable trade wind system off Portugal, and then transported to northern South America and down the Brazilian coast. Differing densities of population in between and within countries naturally play a crucial role in determining the epidemiology but also the widely varying levels of airborne dust blown from areas where the epidemic has taken hold.”

This does a complete end run around all of the masks and anti-social distancing nonsense.

339056 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 16, #871 of 2035 🔗

The Sydney Morning Herald article is a great find. I particularly enjoyed the opening paragraph:

‘Retailers who cash in on community fears about SARS by exaggerating the health benefits of surgical masks could face fines of up to $110,000.
NSW Fair Trading Minister Reba Meagher yesterday warned that distributors and traders could be prosecuted if it was suggested the masks offered unrealistic levels of protection from the disease.
“I’m sure everyone would agree that it is un-Australian to profiteer from people’s fears and anxieties,” Ms Meagher said.’

Sadly, Ms Meagher’s comments were made in more rational times, before the advent of global mass hysteria.

339066 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to DJ Dod, 1, #872 of 2035 🔗

Nice find.

339101 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to DJ Dod, #873 of 2035 🔗

great find

339592 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to DJ Dod, #874 of 2035 🔗

Shit, are the families and friends of the Aussie politicians not involved in the ppe scam then ?

339061 neilhartley, 39, #875 of 2035 🔗

Great letter in the Telegraph today:

SIR – How was it possible, in this crisis, for our much-lauded human rights and civil liberties to be suspended so easily, without even the right to protest publicly against this?

Why were ministers and scientists allowed to present statistics out of context in a way that was misleading, without immediate questions from the media?

What role did Ofcom play in the communication or suppression of anti-lockdown views?

What happened to the tens of billions of pounds spent on a test-and-trace system that did not work?

What is the Government’s estimate for the impact of lockdown on the health, education and social mobility on the generation currently in full-time education?

Perhaps most importantly,: how can we plan for the future, when, at any time, the Government can tear it apart without accountability, using flimsy legislation backed by a constitution that has proved inadequate to the task of protecting our rights?

When the Covid crisis has passed, we must ask these questions of our masters in government, Whitehall and the judiciary, and we must get satisfactory answers.

Iwan Price-Evans
Croydon, Surrey

339070 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #876 of 2035 🔗

92 year old man arrested.

Just doing your job are you @metpoliceuk ?


339087 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 9, #877 of 2035 🔗

Are they trying to provoke a response? I’m used to seeing them pick off women at protests, now they’re going for the great, great, grandparents? Disgusting, they could kill him with the stress alone.

339093 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to leggy, 12, #878 of 2035 🔗

Deliberate tactic. Assault the women and the vulnerable; provoke the men into trying to protect them; beat the men to a pulp and charge them with assaulting a police officer. State-Cop 101 tactics since at least the time of the miners’ strike.

339494 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #879 of 2035 🔗

yea the strike in about 1721 🙂

339075 John P, replying to John P, 22, #880 of 2035 🔗

This posting is partly for my friend Philip F.

I have commented before that I find it hard sometimes to post here and I really lost it a few minutes ago. I realise that Philip was not having a go at me and I again apologise to Philip.

I’m sensitive because I personally do not think that lockdowns are all part of a scheme to destroy society and usher in a “Great Reset”.

I wish people here would understand that this does not make me stupid or complicit. I just do not believe that idea!

There are a hard core of people here who continually push that idea.

That’s fine, but what I don’t like is when they make comments suggesting that people who don’t go along with their idea are “suspicious” or not to be trusted. You don’t know who anyone is here! You can’t make judgments about people based on their opinions expressed here!

So when Philip made his innocent comment I wrongly thought that he was having a go at me, as though I was trying to gain people’s trust here when really I am working for the other side.

I’m not. I’m a single man in his early fifties, I live alone, I have no connections of any kind with the government or the security services and I don’t know anyone who has.

I just do not believe that this is all being done to usher in a great reset. I’m sorry, those that do believe this, well, you’re entitled to your beliefs. But I don’t have to share them!

I’m sorry, I just don’t believe it.

I just want the government manipulation, lies and propaganda to end.

339097 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to John P, 4, #881 of 2035 🔗

There are other things that the government is doing; that is putting lives at risk. For instance, by reckless concern with C-19 to the detriment of other health problems, by denial of early-stage treatments for the disease, by closing A&E departments …

339125 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to PastImperfect, 15, #882 of 2035 🔗

I truly fear for the mental health of millions of people.
I class myself mentally strong but I find myself close to despair at times.

339578 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #883 of 2035 🔗

In current times, that’s a sign you’re mentally healthy, Phil.

339868 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to JohnB, 1, #884 of 2035 🔗

Thanks for that, John.

339099 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to John P, 6, #885 of 2035 🔗

I’m sure you and Philip will not let a momentary misunderstanding divide you. We’re all on the same side.

339119 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #886 of 2035 🔗

Certainly not.

339114 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to John P, 12, #887 of 2035 🔗

John, like you, I do not believe that it’s part of “a great reset”.
I think that this situation all over the world has been bought about by the “drip by drip infatilisation” of the public with nearly every tv programme ending with the voice over:”If you have been affected by any of the subjects raised in this programme, there is a website/telephone line that you can access”.
My wife says “If you haven’t got any issues you must have an issue because you haven’t got any issues to have an issue about”.
Then you have got the mind rotting drivel of BLOODY Joe Wicks or whoever is the latest exhibitionist ” cheerful uplifting exercises and the latest suicide inducing rubbish that goes by the stomach churning title of “Pooch perfect”.
Hang on, I’ve gone too far, WHERE’S THAT SICK BUCKET?

339241 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #888 of 2035 🔗

Whether you believe in it or not
It is not expedient to pursue the conspiratorial line of attack when there are far better avenues
Been trying to explain optics/tactics to the 5G reset crew but to no avail

339268 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #889 of 2035 🔗

Could not agree more, Crystal.

339267 ▶▶ Binra, replying to John P, #890 of 2035 🔗

Beliefs are of course an inviolable right and whatever you choose to believe brings the fruits or results by which you can if you choose revaluate the predicates and bring a different outcome.
Current working models or beliefs can be seen AS modelling and not confused with Fact – which simply is the case regardless any ‘war in the human mind’ as to claim to establish truth.
If I trust that truth will reveal itself to a simple willingness to learn, then everything becomes at some level feedback from which to discern and align in truth.
The current global situation has within it a very strong emotional conflict that carries the desire to lid or mask over the disturbance of such conflict for a less fearful sense of existence. This reaction is known to provide the opportunity to offer ‘solutions’ that serve the intent to control outcomes.
This goes back to setting fear into animals to herd them to a cliff edge or staked out trap.
Or to unsettling an adversary so as to take advantage of their confusion to guide or coerce them to your own preferred agenda. There is nothing in such statements that is not readily observable in human behaviour – indeed in our own thought.
The stated intention of tax paid disinfo agents acting online is to introduce division and doubt in a targeted ‘enemy of the State’ so as to undermine their capacity to act or even become a movement that could act. Sowing fear and division is stated as part of the Gov Nudge unit’s guidance for establishing obedience by ramping up fear and inducing public shaming. I haven’t begun to address the PPP (Public Private Partnership) regulatory model that has replaced Government, Media, and other public service institutions under what is easiest to describe as a cartel monopolism – of which Banking holds the reins or choke points as the control of accepted currency of worth or value.

A legitimate criticism of so called ‘conspiracy theorists’ is when fear and distrust feeds upon an evil or hateful imagination to lose all grounding and power of responsibility to a Them. But pause if you will for a moment to consider that all our national security, defence and medical ‘defences’ are set in fear and distrust of ‘enemies or threats to an ongoing role OF such controls – which includes deep decisions as to the organisation and freedom of association, information and decision-making that of course can all stack up to protect the fearful from their own disclosure.

I sought to put this without invoking blame or shame, but rather to identify human beliefs and behaviours that are characteristically in us all at some level and in different ways.

… This post continues on

339081 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 14, #891 of 2035 🔗

With regard to the current debate around emotion and reason, I am not at all certain that decamping from the latter in favour of the former has any real virtue. Anyone who has raised or worked with children will be only too familiar with the kinds of arguments which those with little experience of the world and the assessment of risk tend to justify their wants and demands; such inexperienced minds, quite understandably you might think, learn to present their ignorance of the facts with convincing emotional displays which attempt to move the argument away from reason precisely because the facts speak against and are inconvenient to their position. If we as adults allow ourselves to be thus distracted, poor choices and outcomes are inevitable, as any parent will attest. Tempting as it may be to descend into the emotional sandpit with them, substituting emotion for fact based reasoning is highly unlikely to produce rational or sustainable results. The numerical froth with which we are emotionally bludgeoned on a daily basis ignores the underlying facts which have become increasingly evident over the months of this sorry debacle: PCR is wholly inappropriate for mass testing, NPIs do nothing to interrupt transmission with any permanence or at all, misattribution is demonstrably happening on a large scale and leads to policies that do more harm than good. These facts are supported by the official data despite being emotionally eclipsed by the tantrums of those who would have us think otherwise. If we fight fire with fire, the blaze will only become hotter and more destructive; better to put our energies into calmly and insistently demonstrating the facts without appealing to the more fashionable emotions. The road to hell, after all, is strewn with good intentions. We must learn to contain our sense of failure and maintain our pursuit of the honest truth.

339575 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #892 of 2035 🔗

The traumatised masses are frightened. Very frightened.

The opposite of fear being love, we need to love them to help heal them. Whether this is best done via facts, emotions, humour, or a slap in the face, will depend on individual circumstances.

339082 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 22, #893 of 2035 🔗

We all of us ponder how we can get through to those who have gone mad.

All we can do is to keep whittling away. in the knowledge that a large number of our fellow human beings are beyond rational argument. A situation cemented in by the unrelenting message of the mainstream..

There will xome a point however, where the increasing social and economic costs of this madness will make many more people much more receptve to what we have to say.

That is what we are waiting for, and that point will come.

So, courage .. and keep buggering on.

339300 ▶▶ Binra, replying to rockoman, 1, #894 of 2035 🔗

Your closing comment gave rise to a knowledge that political process can be distorted by what Ted Heath called ‘all the usual means’.
We only see the behaviours of people who appear mad. We don’t walk in their shoes.
There are all kinds of coercive factors – real or contrived – that can induce people to act against their own and others Good, under some sense of a lesser evil – which may also be lubricated. We only see the frontside or face.
If you had a gun or the equivalent, pointing at your self or your loved ones’ would you write what you were told?

I agree that real effects have yet to be recognised by the corps-state captured, but I also sense that by the time this occurs the ratcheting of controls will already have delivered us to the next phase. I tend to agree with Austin-Fitts that the Plan cannot actually work to hold the conditions for life (the Tower of Babel syndrome), and so growing the seed for the opportunity ad the call to grow from a new place is a refinement to a true foundation from which to live – in the light of all we have lived. The ‘How’ of it all is at another level. I don’t see we have to know how and then apply it, but truly desire to know and be in the way that aligns in the act and unfolding of its fulfilment. That is to say relational presence rather than systemic strategies that recycle past trauma patterns in ‘novel’ forms.

339086 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 17, #895 of 2035 🔗

Alistair Haimes goes over to the Dark Side.


No lockdown should be supported. Not now, not ever.

339118 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Chicot, 6, #896 of 2035 🔗

Comments are sceptical. Many comments are in depth and written to a better standard than the original article.

339151 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #897 of 2035 🔗

Yes, it’s a very poor article but there are some very good comments. I’m really beginning to wonder why I continue to subscribe to this magazine.

339189 ▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Tom in Scotland, #898 of 2035 🔗

I ditched it a month or two back. Don’t miss it.

339126 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Chicot, 12, #899 of 2035 🔗

I honestly believe the current even-more-ramped-up propaganda is an indication they are losing and they know they are losing. But it is making some rational people dither, because it is even louder and shriller than the earlier stuff.

Bit like Hitler’s secret weapons, or moving non-existent divisions on a map. Even Goebbels couldn’t stop disillusion setting in by 1945. .

339162 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to redbirdpete, 6, #900 of 2035 🔗

my lockdownista friend was dismayed by Whitty’s comments about lockdown next winter

339209 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to redbirdpete, 6, #901 of 2035 🔗

There seems to be a noticeable and concerted effort lately to tell us, without providing any solid reasons and using strawmen, that we’ve ‘lost the battle’.

The other current line of attack is that we are responsible for the continued restrictions and winter virus spread. They tell us this at the same time as telling us that we are a tiny minority of evil weirdos. Both cannot be true.

Both of these lines have been quite concentrated in recent days. It’s strange and almost seems organised.

339224 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #902 of 2035 🔗

Nothing strange about it, LL.

339238 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #903 of 2035 🔗

No, you’re right. I think is organised in the sense that the prominent mouthpieces begin to distribute these arguments and the followers latch on and repeat them.

On sites like Twitter where these arguments are often repeated over and over again there are probably also some bots/fake accounts in play.

339565 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #904 of 2035 🔗

On sites like Twitter where these arguments are often repeated over and over again there are probably also some bots/fake accounts in play.

And mumsnet/gransnet according to people’s accounts.

And 77th.

339160 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Chicot, 10, #905 of 2035 🔗

poor article. I’m against lockdown whether NHS is overwhelmed or not. If it is overwhelmed we should do something but NOT lockdown.

Lockdown is too dangerous

339090 vargas99, 2, #906 of 2035 🔗

quote from the DM..The Prime Minister told the Commons ahead of a vote on the measure this evening that he has ‘no choice’ but to clamp down on those flouting the rules to curb the spread of the mutant Covid strain sweeping the country.
He said: ‘We have no choice but to return to a national lockdown in England with similar measures being adopted by the devolved administrations, so we can control this new variant until we can take the most likely victims out of its path with vaccines’.

As we all know, none of the vaccines medical products are able to confer immunity, so does his statement (my bold) means he expects them to die?

339098 Alan P, replying to Alan P, #907 of 2035 🔗

Does anyone know if the number of people in hospital is up or down on average for this time of year. Also what are the admissions and discharges figures per day? Are we seeing hospitals “overwhelmed” because patients are not getting out. Either via a wooden waistcoat or clean bill of health. Could we be treating the dreaded Covids better than we were in March and April?

339121 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Alan P, 2, #908 of 2035 🔗

I seem to recall there were charts showing these figures in yesterday’s edition of LS but can’t quote details. I think the gist was no worse than a usual winter overall.

339124 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Ken Gardner, 2, #909 of 2035 🔗

But your point about bed blocking is important, and I think that was also addressed.

339145 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Ken Gardner, 2, #910 of 2035 🔗

Thanks Ken. I’ll check back later. I suspect this is the driver behind the current lockdown decision. Coupled with the testing flaws producing large numbers of ‘cases’. This is leading to the usual panic reaction of the SAGE government thinking the NHS will see a surge that will overwhelm it.

339559 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Alan P, #911 of 2035 🔗

This is leading to the usual panic reaction of the SAGE government thinking the NHS will see a surge that will overwhelm it.

They don’t think that. They just pretend to.

339127 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Alan P, 6, #912 of 2035 🔗

The excess deaths in March and April were overwhelmingly victims of lockdown, and in particular the expulsion of large numbers of hospital patients to care homes – not covid.

Since May, there have been virtually no excess deaths in the UK.

A guy called Nick posts good hospital info virtually every late afternoon. Check back later.

339102 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 19, #913 of 2035 🔗

The German journalist Reitschuster in his live stream yesterday quoted a German MP as saying the MPs know very well the virus is not as dangerous as they make out. But to justify their actions and rules, they are pushing the vaccine and it’s effectiveness as reason for the restrictions being lifted.

339207 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Silke David, #914 of 2035 🔗

Well well. Some politicians do have integrity

339221 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Silke David, #915 of 2035 🔗

Stating the obvious, but perhaps impossible to do in the British House of Commons…
Which member of the Bundestag said it? Or was it an unattributed briefing, off the record?

339308 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Waldorf, #916 of 2035 🔗

Reitschuster keeps it anonymous for obvious reasons.

339104 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 18, #917 of 2035 🔗

Assuming Harry Miller (Trouble at Tesco) has a valid reason for not wearing a mask, there seems to be a reasonable claim for breach of discrimination/equality law. Only ‘relevant people’ are allowed to query the non-wearing of masks – police officers, PCSO, TfL and others specifically designated by Secretary of State for Health. Any one else may have committed

  • an offence for which they are liable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5,000 – section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010; and/or
  • an act of disability discrimination and be ordered to pay to any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation between £900 and £9,000 – section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010


Given the police were involved and did nothing to rectify the situation, they could also be liable.

339237 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ken Garoo, 2, #918 of 2035 🔗

Think he will definitely take this matter further.

Interesting that Tesco called the police. Why did they do that?

339554 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 1, #919 of 2035 🔗

The Tesco manager is a cunt ?

339105 gedhurst, replying to gedhurst, 6, #920 of 2035 🔗

Just trying to get my head around Dr John Lee’s comments on Julia Hartley-Brewer’s talk radio show today. Did he really say that the Pfizer mRNA vaccine could be picked up and recorded as a positive by the PCR test?
In which case, the whole country will soon be testing positive.

339150 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to gedhurst, 5, #921 of 2035 🔗

The Pfizer ‘vaccine’ does not stop one getting the disease, it reduces the symptoms. So a positive test result could be the result of either a) false positive. b) Covid-19 picked up after the ‘vaccination’ (if it wasn’t already there) or c) an artefact produced as a result of the ‘vaccination’.

‘Vaccination’ is in quote marks because it is not a vaccine in the traditional sense, it’s completely new technology.


339155 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to DavidC, #922 of 2035 🔗

presumably if the vaccine either gets picked up by PCR – for the trial they must have used another method to find covid cases?

339321 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to steve_w, 2, #923 of 2035 🔗

The mRNA used in the ‘vaccine’ is contained in a lipid carrier (PEG – polyethylene glycol, which itself can produce a reaction in the body) so it’s extremely unlikely that the ‘vaccine’ itself would produce a positive PCR result.

I’m not an expert in these matters (my degree was in Microbiology but I was always more interested in the prokaryotic genetics rather than the immunology part of the degree!) but I think it might be possible, where the body’s cells are producing the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein (which is done to induce the body’s immune response) that some of the protein might make its way to the nasopharyngeal cavity and be picked up by the PCR test. Hence my use of the term artifact. That’s only conjecture on my part though.


339492 ▶▶▶▶▶ gedhurst, replying to DavidC, #924 of 2035 🔗

Does PCR pick up protein too? I thought it was just RNA fragments

339552 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to gedhurst, #925 of 2035 🔗

Aren’t RNA fragments bits of protein ?

339166 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to gedhurst, 2, #926 of 2035 🔗

I think I read somewhere, there have been at least 10 Israelis who have been vaccinated and then gone on to test positive. Not sure what their testing regime is – sounds a small number, but the incidence might be much higher if you are constantly testing, and at a high Ct (as we are doing here).

339239 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to gedhurst, #927 of 2035 🔗


I always though that might be possible – the PCR test pick up viral fragments

339328 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Victoria, #928 of 2035 🔗

That’s all it IS doing Victoria. It’s not looking for the whole virus (or its genome), only specific fragments, which might not even be SARS-CoV-2 specific. My understanding is that the test was originally testing for three different fragments but now only tests for one. Very happy to hear from anyone who has more details.


339286 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to gedhurst, 1, #929 of 2035 🔗

I did wonder about that. So a medic who gets vaccinated should not be tested afterwards, but knowing the incompetence of the NHS probably will be and will be positive. “Cases” will soar.

339510 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to gedhurst, -2, #930 of 2035 🔗

No it can’t. Because at best one would only be S-gene positive. Three genes are tested in the PCR test. S, Orf and Nucleocapsid. The new strain shows by NOT picking up the S-gene.

339112 Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), 4, #931 of 2035 🔗
339117 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), 3, #932 of 2035 🔗

Date of death figures have dropped again mysteriously after lockdown announced.

I too had noticed that.

339115 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 11, #934 of 2035 🔗

Maybe I’m missing something here, but can anyone explain why school exams have to be cancelled? I’ve struggled long and hard with this, but I just can’t come up with a sensible reason. The best I can come up with is institutional stupidity pervading every nook and cranny of the Establishment.

339129 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tenchy, 1, #935 of 2035 🔗

Gove’s idea. His kids benefit from teacher assessment vs having to do exams?

339137 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tenchy, 3, #936 of 2035 🔗

oh didn’t you know? it’s been shown that exam papers are a potent source of transmission of covid

339138 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Tenchy, 2, #937 of 2035 🔗

They seriously think that prospective employers can’t read 20/21 on a job application. There will be exams, but down the road at the door of a job interview. But short termists in the Blob will have moved on by then.

339147 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tenchy, 9, #938 of 2035 🔗

It should never have come to this – there was no jusitification for shutting schools in the first lockdown that I can think of and there is none now. But what is the point in examining children on a curriculum that they haven’t covered? Not only do we have the damage of the lockdowns, but some poor kids spent more time forced to self-isolate at home than they did in school last term too. I can’t see them going back before Easter.

Having said that, teacher assessment has got to be more useless than ever too, given that teachers have had such limited opportunity to get to know their pupils. The wholesale betrayal of our children sickens me more than anything.

339218 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Tenchy, #939 of 2035 🔗

It’s crazy but I think the unions drive a lot in education especially the teachers unions.

We’re still running the BTEC exams over the next couple of weeks for our students (FE college).

It feels unfair if you’re a student who excels more at exams then having them cancelled is probably not ideal.

339543 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ambwozere, #940 of 2035 🔗

It’s crazy but I think the unions drive a lot in education especially the teachers unions.

Yep. It has long been the case that the teaching profession is very largely unionised because of the insurance it includes. No other reason.

339226 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Tenchy, 1, #941 of 2035 🔗

Poor kids, there will be no jobs or careers for them at this rate anyway. Might as well give them all ten A* each for the good it will do.

339236 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #942 of 2035 🔗

Teachers can’t be naffed?

339549 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to DanClarke, 1, #943 of 2035 🔗

Nah, I know several teachers who are as appalled as the rest of us.

It’s the unions.

339120 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 7, #944 of 2035 🔗

the snap poll showing 79% support the new lockdown deserves better than all out a footnote, doesn’t it? I’m coincidentally reading Frank Furedi’s ‘Democracy under Siege’ which attempts to argue against elites (from Plato on) having control over how the voice of the ‘mob’ is heard. As a Brexiteer I amnestying instinctively ‘with’ Furedi. But polls like this, revealing something between Stockholm syndrome and self-harm by the Great Unwashed shakes my democratic roots. Perhaps the hope is that revolutions – scarily those of Lenin and Hitler – have been teased out of much less than (the implied) 21% support. To the barricades, then?

339134 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to TyRade, 12, #945 of 2035 🔗

When the bills start coming due an people start losing jobs etc, watch that 79%, which is probably propaganda anyway, turn on a sixpence.

Stop taking opinion polls at face value. Their job is to form opinion – not reflect it.

Decision-makers will have their own private polls, which tell them what people’s opinions really are.

Does one really think that those in power wish us to know the real opinions of our fellow citizens?

339210 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rockoman, 3, #946 of 2035 🔗

In dictatorships, informers’ reports are not simply about setting people up for arrest – they are also a means of assessing public opinion. As there is no other way in such systems.

340148 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to rockoman, #947 of 2035 🔗

80% supported the invasion of Iraq in 2001 I remember from polls at the time. Who would defend that political position today?

339140 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to TyRade, 8, #948 of 2035 🔗

I think it would be well worth while finding out questions were asked, and, even more importantly, what answers were offered. Years ago I was asked to take part in a telephone poll and as the poll proceeded I realised that though the questions might not have been biased, the answers certainly were and the answer I would have liked to give to many questions was not offered. There was, literally, no choice.
I am sure that all of these polls are very heavily biased in favour of the current ‘narrative’.
That is not to say that there has not been EXTENSIVE brainwashing and PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE on a grand scale.
I recently took part in a ‘Day of Prayer for the Pandemic and Brexit’. I had not realised the extent to which the Church has fallen from its mission; not just at the top level of Welby and Cottrell, but all the way down to the parish level. I will write about this when I have finally sorted out my feelings and I shall also be giving the Rector some feedback, feedback that he will not get from any one else.
Fortunately, I think, since I teach New Testament Greek and Latin, and I know some Hebrew and Syriac, I think I have some ‘leverage’ which, somehow, I must use to the full.

339158 ▶▶▶ PW, replying to Stephanos, 3, #949 of 2035 🔗

My understanding is that whoever commissions the poll is asked what result is required and the questions tailored accordingly!
Hence the ongoing poll popularity of the Sturgeon regime…..


339388 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to TyRade, 1, #950 of 2035 🔗

Used to be on the YouGov panel. After a few months only started to get consumer polls. It had been picked up, probably an algorithm or something, what my views on some thing were. Would guess the poll only went to the people that would give the “right” answer.

339123 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #951 of 2035 🔗

Calculated R for a number of countries

1 – lockdown had zero effect
2 – Sweden R changes in exactly the same way as all other countries

from page 49

339143 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 6, #952 of 2035 🔗

Actually the ‘R’ variable is Scotch mist. It’s simply a derivative of testing.

339153 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 2, #953 of 2035 🔗

My memory isn’t good enough to remember what they were doing back then. They had far less PCR testing and I don’t know where the above numbers are derived from. Maybe partly PCR maybe partly actual diagnoses – I’m not sure.

But it does agree with the self-reported symptoms from Zoe. The R was falling all along and quite linearly and lockdown had no noticeable step change effect on it.

339192 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to steve_w, #954 of 2035 🔗

IF you are going to compare it to the Zoe app you need to run the same R calculation for previous years.

340154 ▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to mhcp, #955 of 2035 🔗

Won’t the Zoe app report symptoms of anything? Cold, flus, rhinovirus’s and maybe lots of other things. It seems a stretch to think anyone with the app and any symptom is rona. Unless I’ve misunderstood how it works.

339130 alw, replying to alw, 21, #956 of 2035 🔗

The husband who is 75 with no underlying health conditions or on any medication has just booked his Covid jab. He was told the second jab could be anytime between 3 weeks and 3 months. I am refusing the vaccination….snake oil. I too am fit and healthy and on no medication.

339135 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to alw, 2, #957 of 2035 🔗

Keep us posted how he gets on. My 82 year old healthy Granny got hers this morning.

339139 ▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, 9, #958 of 2035 🔗

I’m not fit and healthy…. but that is the reason I’m avoiding the snake oil.

339159 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to RickH, 1, #959 of 2035 🔗

Wise man methinks.

339136 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #960 of 2035 🔗

I’ve just watched the Newsnight propaganda broadcast.

I think Toby fell into a bit of an apology trap – but I’m sympathetic, given that Maitlis was wetting her knickers to get in partisan points whilst letting Ian (D)unt continually off the hook. He was allowed to get away with totally egregious lies about Sweden with nary an intervention.

Appalling journalism by any standards , with easily refutable evidence being labelled ‘irrefutable’.

339165 ▶▶ PW, replying to RickH, 7, #961 of 2035 🔗

Will Maitlis be having Government Ministers along next and asking them to explain why their predictions from last summer were so woefully wrong???

As you say, Rick, sheer propaganda!


339171 ▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, 10, #962 of 2035 🔗

it is ok for a journalist to be aggressive if a single interviewee – they are expected to challenge and question (alas most do not ).
However where there are interviewees from different ends of the debate the interviewer should be neutral – and act as a referee,. Clearly Maitlis was not neutral , making biased claims even before asking questions . But then when has Maitlis ever interviewed anyone without her bias and preconceptions showing. .

339183 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mj, 10, #963 of 2035 🔗

she was, is and will always be awful

shrieking ‘the nhs is being overwhelmed’ and ‘mutant virus’ at one side of a debate and completely agreeing with the other side

339191 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 9, #964 of 2035 🔗

Appalling journalism by any standards , with easily refutable evidence being labelled ‘irrefutable’ .”

Indeed, but equally:

Absolutely typical of the BBC’s standard approach to any opinion regarded as unacceptable by establishment elites.

There can be no equivocation on this: the BBC should go, and there should be no state broadcaster – such a body is an open invitation to indoctrination and manipulation of the population. Which is exactly what the BBC is doing now and what it has done for nearly a century.

Defund the BBC.

339170 Mark, replying to Mark, 33, #965 of 2035 🔗

Lockdown sceptics should support this lockdown
Alistair Haimes, Spectator [paywall]

 “The big, big difference this time is this: an opening in a rock without an exit is a cave — but if you can see an exit, it’s a tunnel. The previous two lockdowns were caves. It was dark and nasty, possibly involving bats, and we had no idea how we were going to get out except back into the same world we’d entered from. But this time really is different: we’re going not into a cave but into a tunnel, there is a credible exit strategy that we can see and believe in, and we’re scheduled to emerge in about 100 days (give-or-take) into a country where almost all the most vulnerable will have been vaccinated and where lockdown is not just lifted but dismantled, hopefully never to be seen again, and good riddance .”

Haimes is intelligent and articulate, but his position exemplifies the dangers pointed out here by commenters (eg matt, yesterday, iirc) of having your opposition to lockdowns dependent on numbers. As he says, such a position will necessarily shift with shifting evidence on those numbers.

But his main point in this article is flawed, because it is based upon his evidently fundamentally incorrect understanding of the reality here. He presumes as the basis for his argument that the virus has created a crisis situation that we must respond to. Hence his argument over lockdown being a tunnel or a cave, dependent on the existence of an exit (the vaccine, in his view), that we must decide whether or not to enter in order to escape something.

In reality, the virus has never been such a threat, although it hypothetically could have been and that position was still arguably sustainable back in March.

But now that position is not sustainable. The government’s claims of a supposedly hugely more deadly variant have been shown to be gross speculative exaggerations, and there is patently no crisis in the NHS caused by the virus, as opposed to one caused by the panic responses to it. The numbers make this indisputable. It leaves open the possibility that such a crisis might yet arise, if for the first time ever the dire warnings of the lockdowners were to come true, but there is absolutely no reason to assume that they will, nor that the world would end even if they did.

And of course he makes the same basic error as the government did in its panic in March – no cost/benefit analysis, and in particular here, no factoring in of the profound cost of conceding the principle of coercive lockdown as an appropriate healthcare tool for the government of a supposedly free and democratic state. Indeed, he doesn’t even establish that there is any benefit in the first place. He just assumes, in the face of plenty of evidence to the contrary and despite himself raising some issues with the idea, that lockdown must “obviously” reduce infections and deaths.

And his assertion that lockdown might “never be seen again” if his position is followed is frankly comically naive. If the government is allowed to get away with the narrative Haimes is pushing here, that lockdown “saved us until the vaccine came along”, then the arrogant and swaggeringly evil claims of the arch-perpetrator Ferguson will come true:

Nowadays, it is orthodoxy that lockdown was right. In the next pandemic, we won’t hesitate to use it.

339177 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Mark, 7, #966 of 2035 🔗

Great post, agree fully.

339179 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mark, 9, #967 of 2035 🔗

yes, his idea that if we just lockdown now for 100 days now then we’ll never ever lockdown again is just laughable

339184 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to steve_w, 6, #968 of 2035 🔗

Ah yes: the FINAL Push!

339188 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to iane, 7, #969 of 2035 🔗

if we let them get away with it then every winter, even under normal flu circumstances, there will be people begging for a lockdown. even normal 40,000 excess winter mortality will have people demanding we lockdown Dec-Feb as an annual event

339203 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to steve_w, 5, #970 of 2035 🔗

Yes, it is worrying what might happen next winter. I’m guessing there will be pressure from the mad scientists to impose a lockdown for flu, and muzzling at the very least.

339233 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Tenchy, 3, #971 of 2035 🔗

Wonder if cancelling the furlough would help

339301 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 4, #972 of 2035 🔗

Yes it would.
FishiRishi is the worst villain of the lot. No free magic money, no lockdown, end of.

339196 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to iane, 1, #973 of 2035 🔗

Yes, General Haig, Sir.

339185 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mark, 1, #974 of 2035 🔗

changing your mind when the evidence changes is one thing – but flip-flopping in real-time as you see the latest data come out is another.

339193 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Mark, 2, #975 of 2035 🔗

Very good post Mark, and it’s a shame to see him succumb, as I agree he’s been pretty good throughout all of this.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me

I wonder what fool me thrice is?

339206 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Mark, 2, #976 of 2035 🔗

It surprised me when I read this article, Alastair has been great all the way through but seems to have fallen in to the trap that the government will actually do what it says.

339208 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Mark, 15, #977 of 2035 🔗

Exactly. The lockdown argument is based on three fallacies:-

  • Coronavirus poses a threat of a different order of magnitude than existing viruses.
  • Lockdowns are effective in restricting the spread of Coronavirus
  • The cost of lockdown in terms of health and wellbeing is less than the cost of not locking down.

The lockdown zealot must show all those are true before lockdown can even be considered a legitimate policy. The burden of proof is on them not us. Of course the whole thing is severely undermined by the fact we don’t even have a reliable method to test for Coronavirus.

339274 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Achilles, 6, #978 of 2035 🔗

There’s also the liberty aspect. You simply do not go around taking away the basic rights and freedoms of the entire population as a means of disease control in free societies. Quarantining those known to have the disease is one thing, assuming everyone alive is infectious is unprecedented and insane.

339282 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Chicot, 2, #979 of 2035 🔗

Totally agree. You have to prove the first three criteria to even justify the discussion in the first place but then you have to make a moral decision about what rights are inalienable. People will disagree on that one but I’m with you. There are some essential liberties in society that no scenario can ever justify taking away.

339213 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mark, 7, #980 of 2035 🔗

The common corona cold will never go away though
The spectre can be exhumed under the guise of Covid every time they want to strip away our privileges “rights”

339220 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #981 of 2035 🔗

Precisely. We don’t have privileges in this country, contrary to the typically pompous view of the Establishment. We only have rights (some come with responsibilities).

339230 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 3, #982 of 2035 🔗

As long as we have non critical thinking mutants like Johnson and his gang, lockdowns will be the way to go.

339240 ▶▶ kev, replying to Mark, 8, #983 of 2035 🔗

Lockdown of healthy individuals are never justified. Lockdowns are something prisons do to control unruly prisoners to avoid riots.

Quarantining of infected, contagious or unwell individuals may be justified, as may protective measures for frail and vulnerable individuals.

We knew everything we needed to know by March 21st from the experience of other nations, particularly Italy, it was the old, frail and those with serious pre-existing conditions that were at the greatest risk.

Sweden got it mostly correct, particularly in the beginning, but in retrospect should have done more to protect the most vulnerable in care homes.

Unfortunately thats how experience and retrospection work, after the event, you can’t learn lessons until after the event, unless you are fortunate enough to learn from others.

339266 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Mark, 5, #984 of 2035 🔗

Even if all that he says is true (and it is not), I cannot wait another fecking 100 days. It’s criminal to keep us locked up like this.
Breaking the rules isn’t an option when nothing is open. I also will not return to the things I previously enjoyed if they must be carried out in a dystopian manner (face masks, seats taped off etc.)

339319 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to WasSteph, 7, #985 of 2035 🔗

I am on the same page as you, and don’t quite understand when some people say they are ignoring rules and living life as normal. I ignore the rules where I can, never wear a muzzle, hug those I love, bugger social distancing etc, but life can never be normal when we can’t do the things we enjoy. I go to bed on a night (or early morning)and hope I could wake up to find it has all be a bad dream!. I hate the bastards so much it hurts!.

339173 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #986 of 2035 🔗


Covid: WHO team investigating virus origins denied entry to China

something to hide?

339231 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to steve_w, 3, #987 of 2035 🔗

Pentagon Funded Nonprofit Covering Up SARS-CoV-2 Origin

  • EcoHealth Alliance, a nonprofit organization focused on pandemic prevention, has played a central role in the current pandemic. When SARS-CoV-2 first emerged in Wuhan, China, the EcoHealth Alliance was providing funding to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) to collect and study novel bat coronaviruses
  • EcoHealth Alliance president Peter Daszak has been the primary expert chosen by the mainstream media to explain the origin of the pandemic. He’s also intimately involved in the two major international committees tasked with investigating the origin of the virus, despite openly dismissing the possibility of the pandemic being the result of a lab leak

 The Role of Shi Zhengli
Other key figures in the COVID-19 pandemic are Shi Zhengli, Ph.D., and Ralph Baric, Ph.D. The two were part of a joint research program into bat coronaviruses, conducted at the University of North Carolina and WIV. When U.S.-based gain-of-function research was placed under moratorium in 2014, money was funneled to the WIV where Shi continued the work.

Scientific Hubris Is a Serious Threat to Us All
scientific hubris may well be at the heart of our current problem. Why are certain scientists so reluctant to admit there’s evidence of human interference? Why do they try to shut down discussion? Could it be because they’re trying to ensure the continuation of gain-of-function research, despite the risks?


339175 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #989 of 2035 🔗

Someone just sent this to me. To say I’m disgusted is beyond how I feel.

Is it woke children’s programming? Is it psychological abuse? Is it grooming whilst in lockdown?


339187 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #990 of 2035 🔗

BBC Radio has been preening itself all day about their commitment to providing educational broadcast material during the latest stage of this ‘terrible global pandemic’ to support learning from home.

They seem to be particularly proud of repeating ‘horrible history’ which is woke shite and patronising to boot.

339243 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to karenovirus, 3, #991 of 2035 🔗

A few months back someone posted a segment of the BBC’s learning materials for young children; it’s main goal revolved around telling them there were approx. 110 genders.

339197 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #992 of 2035 🔗

The minute I saw “drag queen story time” it was obvious this is a major onslaught from the PIE Paedos

339245 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #993 of 2035 🔗

WHO materials:

339250 ▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #994 of 2035 🔗

Notice they choose a single white child for this particular message when normally there is a ‘range’ so no-one feels ‘excluded’.

339252 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 5, #995 of 2035 🔗

Way too young to be discussing that stuff!

339271 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #996 of 2035 🔗

Do you have a link for this shocking material? I need to investigate.

339293 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #998 of 2035 🔗


339251 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Crystal Decanter, #999 of 2035 🔗

What? Who are they?

339406 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Country Mumkin, #1000 of 2035 🔗

An army of deviants sent into Libraries around the country to expose themselves to children

339214 ▶▶ mj, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #1001 of 2035 🔗

dont we have tv show (usually 5pm) which shows a man with two giant penises. ?

339437 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1002 of 2035 🔗

Did you miss all the ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ shite then, CM ?

339502 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Country Mumkin, #1003 of 2035 🔗

This is mental. Looks like something you would get in Viz but even Viz wouldn’t stoop so low as to air this puerile crap.

339180 karenovirus, 2, #1004 of 2035 🔗

Talking to someone IRL about the hospital car parks being full (as posted below) here in Tier 4.
‘Do you think people aren’t taking the new lockdown seriously then ! ?’ they said.

I pointed out that people only went to hospital because they had been granted an appointment so it was permitted.

This person was about to travel 300 miles to visit their folks before ‘they shut the railways down’.

The irony did not seem to occur to they but I said ‘bon voyage’.

339190 Tom Blackburn, 6, #1005 of 2035 🔗

If it was a war, the “generals” (scientists) would’ve been moved between fronts. They wouldn’t have been ploughing through with the same hopeless strategy. And what exactly is the fear from a second opinion? If the scientists are of equivalent experience and qualification?

“Embed player is currently unavailable.” for me. Might be a browser issue.

339229 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), replying to Mark, #1008 of 2035 🔗

Rough transcript from Williamson:

I will not let be open for a moment longer than is necessary

Before correcting himself, blustering and saying:

I will not let be closed for a moment longer than is necessary

339261 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), #1009 of 2035 🔗

🙂 Thanks.

339275 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), #1010 of 2035 🔗

Freudian slip.

339198 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 11, #1011 of 2035 🔗

Latest ONS total death data in today. I’ve done the analysis and we’re still at number 50 out of the 70 years since 1950.

It’s a 53 week reporting period for 2020 hence still one to go. The latest week’s figures look bad (11,520 against 7,954 5 year average) but I’m pretty sure that’s just an artifcact caused by the 52/52 week reporting. Certainly looking at January figures generally going back to 2010, 11,520 is nothing out of the ordinary.

The absolute number of total deaths for 202 has definitely been hotter than the last five years but we really don’t know how many deaths have been caused by delayed medical care, old people being stuffed back into locked down nursing and care homes, suicides etc. In addition, the 5 year average has been low (the 2018/2019 flu/total deaths absolute numbers were quite low).


339204 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to DavidC, 1, #1012 of 2035 🔗

Is that absolute totals, or deaths per million population?

339304 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to bucky99, 1, #1013 of 2035 🔗

Sorry I should have been clearer. It’s total deaths each year as a percentage of the population for that year (effectively the same as deaths per million but just stated differently).


339255 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DavidC, 8, #1014 of 2035 🔗

As I’ve posted before, I’ve taken the quarter-century since 1993/4 as the baseline. A 5-year moving average is pretty useless, given the nature of the variability in mortality on much longer cycles. The last five years covers a period of atypically low mortality (population adjusted).

In terms of that quarter-century, the winter-spring period 2019-2020 falls at the 75th centile in terms of mortality : 7 years had higher rates.

If one looks at the current summer-winter period – i.e the period that has been subjected to all sorts of fear-mongering – the situation is incredible 🙂 : NOTHING AT ALL UNUSUAL IS HAPPENING. The 2020 autumn-winter mortality lies at or below the average for the period.

I’ve mapped 2020 against the highest year (1993) and the lowest (2011). (Sorry- I’ve not managed to post the graph). It’s unexceptional nature is what immediately strikes one.

The exceptional features are (a) the epidemic spike of April and (b) the notably low mortality of the summer – that no-one ever heard about as the panic was reinforced.

Initially, I was prompted (in March) into this by by suspicions about what was being pushed via the BBC – it clearly had all the marks of propaganda, rather than reporting. It led to discovering another feature, which has now become more accepted – namely the role of ‘dry tinder’ surviving the light infection season of 2018-2019. If the years were grouped into two-year periods, the curve of mortality followed a markedly regular pattern, reflecting the relationship between successive years. In terms of 2018-2020, the level was almost exactly at the quarter-century average.

… i.e – Nothing much is happening. No ‘unprecedented’ event. No massive rise in mortality. No epidemic, beyond the high mortality of April. Nothing.

339306 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to RickH, #1015 of 2035 🔗

Excellent comments Rick!


339313 ▶▶▶▶ winstonthatcher, replying to DavidC, #1016 of 2035 🔗

Any view on the daily number of positive cases?
If there really are 60k out of a sample of 0.5m, then how many people would test positive if you tested the whole population?

339317 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to DavidC, 3, #1017 of 2035 🔗

I think the ONS figures relate to the date registered rather than the date of death? If I am correct on that then in previous years there would probably have been delayed reporting over the holiday period. Whereas, this year, the Coronavirus act has relaxed reporting requirements so that it can all be done more quickly. The interesting fact is that the figure of 11520 for the last week is fairly moderate for England & Wales in the middle of winter, it is a clear indication that the present lock down is in no way justified by deaths despite the PMs dire talk about deaths.
It is also a clear indication that the PM has no grasp of data and is bounced around by health tyrants with their own warped agenda

339200 Fingerache Philip, 8, #1018 of 2035 🔗

Correspondent on BBC Midlands today bemoaning that the amount of traffic in Birmingham are at Christmas levels.
Again:What Bleedin lockdown?

339201 Sim18, replying to Sim18, 10, #1019 of 2035 🔗

The MSM is pretty uniformly saying exercise can be taken only once a day. I’ve looked at the legislation and am unable to find such a limit. Have I missed something or is it the MSM, again, not bothering to read the legislation and simply accepting guidelines are the same as law?

339216 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Sim18, 5, #1020 of 2035 🔗

You are right, it uses the word “should” which legal people tell me is guidance, as opposed to “must”.

339223 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Sim18, 6, #1021 of 2035 🔗

No I can see no limit on exercise, just as also I can see no limit on the distance you can travel provided you meet one of the exceptions.

339280 ▶▶▶ Sim18, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #1022 of 2035 🔗

Agreed. I’ve been reading the legislation

( https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/schedule/3A/paragraph/2#commentary-key-e1cc6ecf3b11cd4e870e0bb02f586857 )

and don’t see anything about local.

339373 ▶▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Sim18, 1, #1023 of 2035 🔗

I thought that as well

339295 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sim18, 2, #1024 of 2035 🔗

It saw a comment that MSM are now making laws/rules/guidelines.
They publish it and 2/3 days later the politicians follow.
Defund MSM!

339394 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Silke David, 3, #1025 of 2035 🔗

The MSM run this country. If they turned on the government, lockdowns would end tomorrow.

339227 Fingerache Philip, 9, #1026 of 2035 🔗

If you ring our local doctors for whatever reason, first of all you have to listen to the usual “blah,blah, etc, etc.
I did however pick up the message about the Covid jabs, now I ain’t bothered whether I have a jab or not but the town (Bridgnorth) where the vaccinations are being held is a 30 mile round trip along a rural B road.
There are 2 nearer larger towns (Kidderminster and Ludlow) so why pick a smaller town further away.

339232 Thomas_E, 23, #1027 of 2035 🔗

Well , went for my usual lunchtime walk trough the abandoned streets of City of London. There are now signs on every corner saying stay at home , the face-space -fuck off slogans, they now have another symbol next to NHS, it’s the Keep City Safe organization (not sure safe from what, there is nobody fucking here) and they have introduced maned checkpoints to enter Borough Market with sigs saying Wear a mask. OI went in , was asked for mask by security, said exempt, he looked at me like I just spoke ancient Sumerian, called the manager on his radio and after 3 minutes let me in without a word…We are in the end game now, they screws are truly out.

339235 richmond, replying to richmond, 36, #1028 of 2035 🔗

The moment scientists refuse to listen to the views of dissenting scientists they are no longer doing science.

339260 ▶▶ kev, replying to richmond, 9, #1029 of 2035 🔗

At that point it becomes dogma or groupthink, not science.

339323 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to richmond, 1, #1030 of 2035 🔗

Been like that in the “dismal science” for decades.

That process has imply been exported to the others – particularly the life sciences.

339289 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1032 of 2035 🔗

Germany already published governmental support for business/self employed until end of June ’21.

339455 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Cheezilla, #1033 of 2035 🔗

Payment holiday scheme already extended out until then, under the last lockdown rules

339244 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 7, #1034 of 2035 🔗

You Gov survey:
Thinking specifically about the Christian religion…
What role, if any, do you think the Christian church should have in helping the UK recover from the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic?
It does not give me the option to say: Where is the church now?

339257 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Silke David, 4, #1035 of 2035 🔗

Many churches have signed their own death warrant, but new ‘free’ churches (of the underground variety) will spring up to take their places.

339291 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom in Scotland, 6, #1036 of 2035 🔗

I’m sure you’re right. Catacombs dight are being secretly surveyed even as we speak.
No current church leader has the slightest moral right to speak in the name ofChrist. They are grovelling slaves of the Covid god.

339247 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 22, #1037 of 2035 🔗

This is the article about pandemic mitigation from 2006 by Henderson, which was the basis for all our pandemic flu planning till 2019. Then the Chinese 2020 started regional lockdowns which the Western world transformed into national lockdowns. Henderson, who was one of the greatest epidemiologists of all time including leading the response extinguishing smallpox, would have rotated in his grave seeing the current response.

Reading it now with the hindsight of the current madness is chilling


Putting a brake on the modellers

“No model, no matter how accurate its epidemiologic assumptions, can illuminate or predict the secondary and tertiary effects of particular disease mitigation measures. Nor, for example, can it assess the potential effects of high absentee rates resulting from home or regional quarantine on the functioning integrity of essential services, such as hospital care or provision of food and electrical service to the community. If particular measures are applied for many weeks or months, the long-term or cumulative second- and third-order effects could be devastating socially and economically. In brief, models can play a contributory role in thinking through possible mitigation measures, but they cannot be more than an ancillary aid in deciding policy.”

Hand washing

“but regular hand-washing is a common sense action that should be widely followed. It has been shown to reduce the transmission of respiratory illness in a military trainee setting, although there are no data to demonstrate that handwashing deters the spread of influenza within a community.”
“General respiratory hygiene, such as covering one’s mouth when coughing and using disposable paper tissues, is widely believed to be of some value in diminishing spread, even though there is no hard evidence that this is so.”
“The World Health Organization Writing Group concluded that “screening and quarantining entering travellers at international borders did not substantially delay virus introduction in past pandemics . . . and will likely be even less effective in the modern era.”

And the golden conclusion and how true today

“An overriding principle.

“Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted. Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe”

339270 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), replying to swedenborg, 8, #1038 of 2035 🔗

Indeed, and that article was the basis for:


Most of which has been utterly ignored.

Key points:

ii. Minimise the potential impact of a pandemic on society and the economy by:
• Supporting the continuity of essential services, including the supply of medicines, and protecting critical national infrastructure as far as possible.
• Supporting the continuation of everyday activities as far as practicable.
• Upholding the rule of law and the democratic process.
• Preparing to cope with the possibility of significant numbers of additional deaths.
• Promoting a return to normality and the restoration of disrupted services at the earliest opportunity.

Between 1% and 4% of symptomatic patients will require hospital care, depending on how severe the illness caused by the virus is. There is likely to be increased demand for intensive care services.  * As it is now.

For deaths, the analysis remains that up to 2.5% of those with symptoms would die as a result of influenza if no treatment proved effective. These figures might be expected to be reduced by the impact of countermeasures but the effectiveness of such mitigation is not certain. The combination of particularly high attack rates and a severe disease is also relatively (but unquantifiably) improbable. Taking account of this, and the practicality of different levels of response, when planning for excess deaths, local planners should prepare to extend capacity on a precautionary but reasonably practicable basis, and aim to cope with a population mortality rate of up to 210,000 – 315,000 additional deaths, possibly over as little as a 15 week period and perhaps half of these over three weeks at the height of the outbreak. *we are nowhere near those figures yet but still unable to cope!?

339287 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1039 of 2035 🔗

Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.

And so the government, aided by the corporate media, chose to constantly threaten the imminent collapse of the health care system, and indeed artificially restricted access to it.

339253 Victoria, 8, #1040 of 2035 🔗

Remember when Pfizer paid out $2.3 billion to settle the largest healthcare fraud case in history?

339265 John P, replying to John P, 47, #1041 of 2035 🔗

Having had a very stressful episode here about an hour ago I decided to take myself off for a walk in the fresh air.

I live in an urban area, but the streets were very quiet. Around half of the people I passed were wearing masks. I don’t know if it is just me, but they seem almost to wear not only their muzzles, but also a zombie-like look of self righteousness. I think for some people they feel that they are doing good.

I actually don’t believe that 80% of people want this lockdown. I think though that perhaps a majority of people believe the lies and propaganda. They believe what they are being told.

As does Johnson.

In my opinion it is most likely the psychologists of the SAGE behavioral insights team who are in effect running the country right now. Ferguson and his associates come up with their doom-laden models and the BIT come up with ways to manipulate the government and members of the public into compliance.

I don’t think they are doing this for Claus Schwab, though some of them may have nefarious links to Big Pharma. I think though that it is most likely the case that these people have become seduced by their own grandiose beliefs in their cleverness and self righteousness.

They will never admit to being wrong.

What is being done to the people of this country – whether deliberate or otherwise – is evil.

339292 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John P, 10, #1042 of 2035 🔗

Well said, John. I agree that it is evil. Glad you got some fresh air – you’ve inspired me to go out for a walk now too. I ended up walking for several hours yesterday. I was so overwhelmed with the horror of everything that I felt like I was going to end up in the same state of paralysis I experienced in first lockdown (probably worse) if i didn’t force myself to literally keep moving. I saw many masks, but also a few people bare-faced and happy to return a smile and cheery greeting.

339296 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to John P, 12, #1043 of 2035 🔗

I think though that perhaps a majority of people believe the lies and propaganda. They believe what they are being told.”

I agree with that. Yesterday I had a skype session with my parents who are in their 80’s. They are fully bought into the idea that Boris is a good man who is trying his best and he is only doing this because those clever scientists have told him this needs to happen.

They also have the impression that this “new virus” is really dangerous and that’s why there is another lockdown. I tried to explain that the variant was not a new virus but got nowhere.

They are looking forward to being invited for their jabs soon. Then they will be able to meet their neighbours and friends in safety so they say. I did try talking to them about my worries with the rushed vaccines a few weeks ago and they seemed to listen – but by yesterday they had forgotten everything I said.

 All in all a very depressing realisation that most people are so bought into all of this that there is little chance of shifting their position, even when you are trying to protect them.

339299 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to John P, 9, #1044 of 2035 🔗

Actually John, I live in a very small Shropshire town albeit on a main road and it’s a bit quiet but not noticeable so and I honestly think that the face nappy usage has declined since the latest lockdown.

339303 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1045 of 2035 🔗

That’s good to know Philip. We must never give up.

339347 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to John P, 4, #1046 of 2035 🔗

Also I honestly think that scepticism is starting to make headway with more people including my 89 year old neighbour saying to me that they think that the stories about the NHS being overwhelmed are lies.

339302 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to John P, 8, #1047 of 2035 🔗

It most certainly is evil and I have said this to a lot of people. Most look at me as if I have two heads. They have been brainwashed and believe it is the only way to save people from certain death!. I am so low today that I could hardly get out of bed, there seems no end to the shit, lies and propoganda.

339350 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John P, 3, #1048 of 2035 🔗

And eventually, they’ll have had enough of it. Many overlook that we live in an instant-gratification society. So that “eventually” might be sooner than many think.

339415 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1049 of 2035 🔗

I fear too many get their instant gratification by donning a mask, working from home or whatever other virtual signal comes to hand. They are permanently high on dopamine-rushes.

339366 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to John P, 2, #1050 of 2035 🔗

Might be interesting to see what the rural v urban outdoor take up of masks is. I’m rural. Was out this morning in a National Trust property, literally hundreds of people and no masks anywhere.

339379 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to EllGee, 2, #1051 of 2035 🔗

I also live in a rural area. In my village there’s a small amount of outdoor mask-wearing but it’s still quite fringe behaviour. What I do see plenty of, though, which depresses me, is people crossing the road to avoid coming near me and/or my children on the pavement.

339396 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to John P, 4, #1052 of 2035 🔗

I agree with you – people say they want the lockdown to look virtuous but secretly ignore the rules and try and get on with their lives as best as they can. This lockdown feels more permanent than the second November one but not as deserted as the March one, a strange liminal in-between state out of which I am desperate to break.

As for stressful episodes on here, best just to not say anything or retaliate at all. It’s what internet trolls want; a reaction. I’ve received some pretty nasty abuse and even death threats on Twitter, but I didn’t react at all – just blocked the offenders and eventually deleted my account altogether because I am not suited to Twitter at all!

339597 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to John P, #1053 of 2035 🔗

Yep. The use of psychological techniques here is certainly immoral.

Personally, think there is some kind of link to other agendas, but it is fine for you to concentrate on Covid.



339272 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 8, #1054 of 2035 🔗

Just listening to Mike Graham, Talk Radio – wondering if their return to YouTube was on the proviso that they pushed a bit of pro Boris, vaccine propaganda. His first guest Stewart Robinson all praise for Boris, what a great job he is doing in challenging times, how he is a libertarian and despises lockdowns, blah blah. Looks like they have gone to the dark side of controlled opposition.

339283 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Hattie, 6, #1055 of 2035 🔗


339284 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Hattie, 6, #1056 of 2035 🔗

Oh, and just to add they mentioned a resurgence of clapping, clap for heroes including for those that wear masks … what’s next kick the non compliant.

339288 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Hattie, 5, #1057 of 2035 🔗

FFS! No. Please not!

339285 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Hattie, 5, #1058 of 2035 🔗

TR have consistently blown both ways. I’ve never been sold on Brewer either, she’s talked up as tough but ultimately fairly soft.

339314 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to DRW, 11, #1059 of 2035 🔗

I think Talk Radio have been brilliant during this. Just like Toby and this site. JHB has been a major cheerleader for the sceptic cause and is probably the one they fear the most. Not everybody has to share the exact same views on everything, just as long as we all share the core beliefs that this is a massive overreaction, and that Lockdowns are hugely damaging. TR have been questioning the establishment narrative from at least May/June and even before that were the platform for Peter Hitchens to air his views. Apart from Majid Nahwaz on LBC, and Debra Cohen on BBC, can you think of any other major media figures that have done that? We are under enough assault as it is. Let’s support the people on our side. Scepticism is a broad church and we need it to be if we are to win.

339325 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Chris Hume, 3, #1060 of 2035 🔗

Brilliant from JHB.


339305 ▶▶ alw, replying to Hattie, 7, #1061 of 2035 🔗

The only decent interview today was as ever with Neil Oliver. Stewart Robinson kept contradicting himself and as for the ex police officer he was laughable.

340217 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to alw, #1062 of 2035 🔗

The ex officer was terrifying. Calling for police to stop anyone outside for interrogation. Papers please.

339290 Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1063 of 2035 🔗

Apologies if this has been posted already. Interesting to contemplate who, and why, this has been leaked from within PHE. From January last year, with the ‘top epidemiologists’, you know the ones that have now been shouting the loudest for lockdown recently, providing modeled ‘data’ for the mutant strain, were so accurate in their analysis at the start.

UK scientists found out Covid spread out of China DURING meeting | Daily Mail Online

339294 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #1064 of 2035 🔗

The Great Reset

Here you go. Not hiding it anymore. This is what the WEF has always been after


339340 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Victoria, #1065 of 2035 🔗

Though that is what a “K” shaped recovery is. That wasn’t invented by the wef.

339348 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, #1066 of 2035 🔗

What was invented by the wef?

339383 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Victoria, 1, #1067 of 2035 🔗

They are honestly not even hiding how psychotic they are now.

339650 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Victoria, 1, #1068 of 2035 🔗

Umm, I seem to remember that Dolan was sceptical toward ‘conspiracy theories’ a while back.

The agenda is clear, but many people don’t support it, so battle is not over yet. Just beginning.

The destruction of small business is deliberate.

339297 Edward Lear, 2, #1069 of 2035 🔗
339298 John P, 20, #1070 of 2035 🔗

I’m pleased to see Toby putting the sceptic case to the state broadcaster last night, but it was very clear where his interviewer Maitlis stood on this issue.

And I thought it was outrageous that she arrogantly asserted that lockdowns worked in March in the final seconds of the programme.

“We’ll have to leave it there.” Oh, but she was going to have the last word!

What gives her the right to make that statement as though it is unimpeachably correct?

The sooner this organ of the state is defunded the better.

339307 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 7, #1071 of 2035 🔗

Every time I refresh this page, that damned picture of Whitty hoves into view.

339310 ▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 6, #1072 of 2035 🔗

At least it isn’t that bloody Wankcock and Piss Moron GMTV video!

339334 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DRW, 2, #1073 of 2035 🔗

Warning, DRW, there’s an image of PM further up/down thread.

339397 ▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 1, #1074 of 2035 🔗

At least he doesn’t look happy.

339309 DRW, replying to DRW, 22, #1075 of 2035 🔗

Just had a depressing visit to the shops, does feel like March again especially with more
bloody clapping again. Place felt just as equally deserted but that might be more to do
with being the coldest time of the year. Quite sad to hear the primary school children out
playing again for the final time before they’re pushed back into the misery of Zoom School.
I had two encounters in two different banks both worth reporting on here:

In Bank 1 there was a masked middle aged “Karen” type who’d had just finished cleaning the machines I wanted to use. She was slightly annoyed at that and challenged me over the sanitiser. She insisted even when I pointed out my hands were gloved (proper winter ones, not the Covidian surgical variety) so I reluctantly took them off and dispensed one tiny gloop to get her off my back. She was fine with that and revealed she disapproves of “dirty gloves” and thinks they should be banned. Didn’t know anti-glovers, or on a positive note pro-handers, were even a thing! As soon as I’d finished with the machines there she was again, straight back in to clean it. Could have been worse I suppose. Outside a couple of masked sheeples were queueing outside despite no other customers being in there, fucks’ sake these people really can’t think for themselves.

Bank 2 had a familiar cashier taking advantage of the empty branch to hang her mask from one ear. I was pleased to see this from such a cute woman and going in she recognised me before apologetically reaching to lift it. I assured her 90% maskless state was fine, to much surprise before sealing the deal with a compliment. This was recieved with gratitude and a lovely warm mask-free smile whilst she handled my transaction. Confident in my obviously non-conformist presence, she briefly let it slip her about having skin issues she blames
masks for. A genuinely touching interaction proving humanity is not quite gone from the masses, made me feel a bit less depressed anyway.

339363 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to DRW, 7, #1076 of 2035 🔗

There must be many waverers who are just going through the motions in order to avoid confrontation with management and keep their jobs. Dealing with them is a pleasure and goes some way at least to restoring one’s faith in human nature.

339420 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), replying to DRW, 1, #1077 of 2035 🔗

Sadly a couple of fully sceptical friends have gone to the darkside as a result of the latest barrage of psychological abuse.

339916 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), #1078 of 2035 🔗

Some of my lady’s family were starting to be sceptical over the summer but went sheepish again in autumn as the fear was ramped back up again.

339311 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 7, #1079 of 2035 🔗

Here are some chilling articles about where all this is headed. There will be no place for people like us in this future. Every person who is complying with the government, in whatever way, is contributing to the manifestation of this dystopian nightmare.


China is already developing powerful new surveillance tools, and exporting them to dozens of the world’s actual and would-be autocracies. Over the next few years, those technologies will be refined and integrated into all-encompassing surveillance systems that dictators can plug and play. The emergence of an AI-powered authoritarian bloc led by China could warp the geopolitics of this century. It could prevent billions of people, across large swaths of the globe, from ever securing any measure of political freedom.


wall to wall surveillance at a level never achieved before; universal guaranteed income for every human, tied to obedience to all state directives; violate those directives and income is reduced or canceled; the planting of nano devices inside the body which will broadcast physiological changes to central command, and which will receive instructions that modify mood and reaction

339318 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Richard O, 7, #1080 of 2035 🔗

If this is the world they are creating fine, it’s theirs, they can bloody well have it. I’d rather be reunited with my mum.

339320 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to kh1485, 8, #1081 of 2035 🔗

Agreed, if we collectively allow it to get as bad as this then our only option is transcendence, in whatever form that takes.

339327 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Richard O, 18, #1082 of 2035 🔗

What makes me so angry about this is that people are, through their supine acquiescence, sleepwalking into it. Which, if that’s what they want, fine. But I never bloody signed up for this dystopia. And whenever I try to warn people about what’s coming potentially, I’m the one who’s looked at like I’m mad.

339685 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to kh1485, 2, #1083 of 2035 🔗

This is the problem, I have said many times that I don’t care what happens to the covid cult members and that they deserve everything that comes their way. The problem is that it will come our way as well!. I have an idea, all of us sceptics should have a dispensation for being the smart ones in the population and be able to go back to our normal lives.

339754 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to kh1485, 1, #1084 of 2035 🔗

Yes that’s an expression I often use… sleepwalking to disaster.

339324 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard O, 8, #1085 of 2035 🔗

That sounds terrifying. However when Vauxhall can’t make a Zafira that doesn’t suddenly explode, I believe this all might just be a little pie in the sky.

339337 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1086 of 2035 🔗

A pretty big pie, I’d say

339339 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1087 of 2035 🔗

It’s pretty wild, I’ll grant you that, but I’m not resting on my laurels. I’d rather be aware of this than not.

339351 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #1088 of 2035 🔗

A year ago, I wouldn’t have believed what has just happened during the past 10 months could happen or that people would want it to happen, but it has and they do.

339358 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 7, #1089 of 2035 🔗

Well lets face back then we thought we lived in a free and democratic country. Look what happened next!

339439 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1090 of 2035 🔗

or even the shopping scanners saying constantly “unexpected item in bagging area”…every time i shop!!
I think it will be some time before they get to a level of IT sophistication to enable this but for sure they are working on it and probably don’t care to cut corners to control the sheep in every way!

339359 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Richard O, 15, #1091 of 2035 🔗

Over my death body! An i mean this literally. I did no fight, killed and survived in the name of this country in order for all rights to be take away in my own home. This is the hill I die on!

339391 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #1092 of 2035 🔗

Well said, and I will be joining you on the same hill if it comes to it.

339464 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Richard O, 11, #1093 of 2035 🔗

My wife always tries to calm me down saying : You are no fighting a war anymore. That is where she is wrong. This is a WAR, a war on the population of Britain and all our liberties and values and we have gone past the stage where mere words will be enough.

339499 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socalist, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1094 of 2035 🔗

At least someone gets it, its been a stealth war on our cultural values for decades, name the hill i’ll be there.

339540 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #1095 of 2035 🔗

You’re so right. It is, indeed, a war but it’s such an unconventional war that people don’t recognize it as such. The catastrophe that is unfolding will surely kill as many or more people as the world wars of the 20th century. And yet the sheeple believe the pandemic will be over in the spring and we’ll all get back to normal, even though the powers that be are outright telling us there will be no going back to normal!

339441 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #1096 of 2035 🔗

Time to set up off-grid communities to live outside the stazi regime.
I don’t know for sure but i reckon there is/will be a lot of interest to setup on a smallholding and live as self sufficiently as possible

339550 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #1097 of 2035 🔗

James Corbett of The Corbett Report has videos and articles about agoras — voluntary communities of people trading for goods and services and he believes this is the way to go. Tomorrow I’m meeting up with other sceptics in my county that I’ve never met before but I’m hoping we can help each other if/when things get worse. I’m on 60 acres and will definitely try growing my own vegetables this year, which is something I’ve never been interested in doing.

339312 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 23, #1098 of 2035 🔗

Don’t forget, these smug, virtue signalling cretins are utter hypocrites. They know the risk factor is nowhere near as high as they make out. They demonstrate this by their actions. These sanctimonious high priests of the ever-shifting and unstable New Morality are full of shit. Call them out.

339371 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to common conservative, 6, #1099 of 2035 🔗

Don’t forget Neil Ferguson. You know, the guy that says every day in the press that if we don’t lock down millions die.

339408 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to common conservative, 6, #1100 of 2035 🔗

Same goes for pretty much every single politician in the world. They all know Covid is an absolute crock of shit and nothing to be afraid of. As you say, judge them by their actions, not their words.

339315 alw, replying to alw, 6, #1101 of 2035 🔗

More unenforceable nonsense from the Police. Just refuse to pay the fine and clog up the Court System. We are not afraid.
“Police to stop people in street and ask them why they are out during lockdownScotland Yard warns that people will face fines if they do not have a legitimate explanation in new hardline approach.”


339349 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to alw, 2, #1102 of 2035 🔗

Surely ‘Exercising !’ or ‘Shopping !’ without breaking stride would be sufficient ?

339372 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), replying to JohnB, 2, #1103 of 2035 🔗

Both of those and many others.

Forewarned, forearmed; to be prepared is half the victory.

339385 ▶▶ davews, replying to alw, 2, #1104 of 2035 🔗

Yes, exercising. Won’t mention it is the second one of the day. Nice enjoyable one just now, couple of chats, relatively few jumping out of my way and only one in a silly mask.

339835 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to alw, #1105 of 2035 🔗

Just say you are taking your exercise and that is the end of the conversation.

339326 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 8, #1106 of 2035 🔗

Oh good heavens No. Not again!! They’re being slaughtered on Twitter. I just told them to sod off.

339338 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to common conservative, #1107 of 2035 🔗

Got a twitter link?

339365 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), replying to common conservative, 8, #1109 of 2035 🔗

Don’t think she is getting quite the response she expected

339378 ▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), 3, #1110 of 2035 🔗

Gosh, I didn’t think the opposition would be that large.

339403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to davews, 5, #1111 of 2035 🔗

Yes, almost 100% against, from both sceptics and zealots.

339401 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to common conservative, 4, #1112 of 2035 🔗

The responses are a resounding NO then!!

340248 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to common conservative, #1113 of 2035 🔗

Wow. She really managed to unite everyone in opposition. Quite a feat. Why all the talk about pay rises? Is that a big pro-lockdown talking point at the moment?

339392 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1114 of 2035 🔗

Thanks. I just added a tweet. I’m slowly getting into this Twatter stuff. I really like the responses she’s getting.

339329 Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), 2, #1115 of 2035 🔗

Trying to calm some Oxfordshire people down. Are my figures correct?

500 per 100,000 so 3,500 cases based on population of 700,000 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxfordshire )

Case Fatality Rate is estimated at 2% – 4% across all age groups (IFR is lower but let’s paint worst case here).

At 500 per 100,000 we are looking at a total of 3,500 cases:

3,500 cases at 2% we should expect 70 deaths
3,500 cases at 4% we should expect 140 deaths

70 out of a population of 700,000 is 0.01%
140 out of a population of 700,000 is 0.02%

The maths is right. Haven’t confirmed the inputs.

339330 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 13, #1117 of 2035 🔗
339341 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1118 of 2035 🔗

What absolute idiots

339343 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1119 of 2035 🔗

Annemarie Plas – a ‘private yoga’ teacher. Beats ‘private massage’ therapist I suppose.

339369 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Tenchy, 12, #1120 of 2035 🔗

God, this third lockdown really is like the first one. The second one always felt flimsy and temporary because it was in the lead-up to Christmas and there was less fear driving it, but now the plebs have nothing to look forward to and the propaganda is in full swing, just like in March.

339382 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1121 of 2035 🔗

I’ll be listening carefully at 8pm on Thursday to gauge how many cretins live near me.

339331 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 9, #1122 of 2035 🔗

The NHS must be jubilant over Whitty suggesting masks next year, We know full well from the last years’ experience that this sort of comment is a preliminary shot to the MSM to start the propaganda campaign. They have won at last and can look forward to another successful campaign next winter.
Manipulation of the public and statistics wins in the end.

339333 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Polemon2, 6, #1123 of 2035 🔗

Manipulation of the public and statistics wins in the end.

Oh no it doesn’t !

339336 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #1124 of 2035 🔗
339357 ▶▶ RickH, replying to bebophaircut, #1125 of 2035 🔗

The title of the piece is a give-away of its unscientific nature. You can’t prove anything ‘safe’.

339405 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to RickH, 1, #1126 of 2035 🔗
339346 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1127 of 2035 🔗

NHS Workers, nhs workers family and nhs workers friends lend me your claps, for we have made the country Great again.

339353 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 15, #1128 of 2035 🔗

Not happening in our house.

339370 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1129 of 2035 🔗

me neither

339386 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1130 of 2035 🔗

A friend who is going through BCG treatment for bladder cancer had the first session of his latest course yesterday in central London. The nurse who administered the treatment and who has done so several times previously shared that the NHS is ‘on its knees’. Mismanagement seems to be the main complaint from clinical staff.

339352 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #1131 of 2035 🔗

I don’t know if this has been seen on here but I found it pretty horrific.


The fact they are targeting the over 80s first who have already signed DNRs looks pretty suspect to me. No way will I be having this. In fact I think the bastards should be arrested.

339395 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1132 of 2035 🔗

Evil bastards.

339496 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1133 of 2035 🔗

This is probably to ease the burden on all the pension and healthcare liabilities that are unfunded.

339367 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 27, #1134 of 2035 🔗

Turning the country into a wasteland on behalf of the NHS and then wanting them to clap in appreciation seem a bit much.

339374 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 11, #1135 of 2035 🔗

United Kingdom twinned with North Korea.

339389 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kh1485, 6, #1136 of 2035 🔗

Kim Jong Boris.

339387 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1137 of 2035 🔗


339452 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1138 of 2035 🔗

They’ll do it, the brainless twats.

339491 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1139 of 2035 🔗

The Peoples Republic of Clapistan

339377 Jane C in France, replying to Jane C in France, 17, #1140 of 2035 🔗

One of the reasons the French are so reticent about getting vaccinated is probably the greater emphasis among sceptics in France on treatment rather than mortality statistics. As I pointed out in my postcard from France (available among the postcards on the right hand side, I add modestly) people here, thanks to Professor Didier Raoult, are very much aware thateffective treatments (hydroxychloroquine, azithromycine, zinc and now ivermectin among others) exist and doctors are being prevented from prescribing them. Now that vaccinations are on the market, Raoult more or less says: get vaccinated if you want, and if the vaccine works so much the better; but all you have to go on is the manufacturers’ say-so and since covid is a disease with low mortality if patients are given the right medicine, why bother with a vaccine? Recently a lovely young ICU doctor or “reanimator” called Louis Fouché has also been appearing all over the Internet to explain why injecting messenger RNA into human cells is like playing at the sorcerer’s apprentice. The government is still insisting that there is no treatment for covid without a vaccine, but it looks as though even non-sceptics might be starting to wonder about the motivations of the members of the scientific council round Macron, all of whom have conflicts of interest with either Bill Gates or Big Pharma.

339476 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Jane C in France, 2, #1141 of 2035 🔗

If it was being offered by suppository the French would probably jump at the chance!

339547 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to trevorpee, 1, #1142 of 2035 🔗

Ooo la la

339380 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #1143 of 2035 🔗

How can this be allowed?

The wife and two sons of Vaccine Deployment Minister Nadhim Zahawi have set up a Company called “Warren Medical Ltd”

Was previously called ZAHAWI WARREN LIMITED, name rapidly changed.

The swamp is deep.


339423 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 2, #1144 of 2035 🔗

It’s a total cess pool isn’t it?

339381 bebophaircut, #1145 of 2035 🔗

Ignorance is not bliss.

339384 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 23, #1146 of 2035 🔗

Jonathan Ashworth saying we cannot unlock until pretty much everyone is vaccinated – because some younger people get ‘Long Covid’. This is ridiculous.

339404 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 32, #1147 of 2035 🔗

What a knob. It’s really quite frightening how easily people now believe that informed consent and an individual risk/benefit analysis for each patient are just not relevant anymore. I don’t care how hard the government pushes the propaganda or how hard zealots scream on Twitter, I am not accepting this vaccine until I am 100% ready to do so and have taken into account all available information to make an informed decision. This is not unreasonable, it is common sense. The fact that this is now seen as a ‘dangerous’ view really shows how far we have fallen in the past year.

339411 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Poppy, 8, #1148 of 2035 🔗

The fact that this is now seen as a ‘dangerous’ view really shows how far we have fallen in the past year.

So true, Poppy; and it’s something I find extremely worrying.

339432 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Poppy, 4, #1149 of 2035 🔗

They have all been brainwashed Poppy for nearly a year now. I think some people will have it just to get back to normal life, or they think it will bring back normal life.

339443 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Poppy, 19, #1150 of 2035 🔗

There is simply no clinical case for anyone under 70 who does not have a serious underlying health issue. Between 70 and 80, the case is finally balanced. Over 80, the case is perhaps more clear cut. In all cases, however, the vaccine must be voluntary, and totally free from coercion.

339407 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 8, #1151 of 2035 🔗

And nearly all young people don’t get it at all. Mind you, it must be worth sacrificing a few dozen lives if you can prevent someone getting it. What next, Oblong Covid?

339430 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 6, #1152 of 2035 🔗

Well I wish him luck with that as I would imagine most of us on here won’t be having it and I have other friends who are of the same viewpoint.

Never force people to do anything, it will always backfire in the end.

339472 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 6, #1153 of 2035 🔗

Has anyone ever heard of ‘long influenza’ or ‘long norovirus’? No, I thought not.

339473 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 8, #1154 of 2035 🔗

I find the whole “long Covid” phenomenon very interesting as I wrote my master’s thesis on the historical similarities between neurasthenia (a malady of the late 19th century) and CFS (chronic fatigue syndrome) or ME as it’s known in the UK. Long Covid is CFS/ME and doctors ignored it for decades and made sufferers feel like it was merely psychological, even though there was plenty of evidence it was some kind of post-viral condition. Now it appears the medical profession is taking it seriously, which I find fascinating as an historian of psychology. Context matters, and the hysteria around Covid has breathed new life into what amounts to CFS/ME symptoms.

339707 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1155 of 2035 🔗

Didn’t Judy Mikovitch’s banned study day that vaccines had been the root cause of ME? Or something to that effect?

339393 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 11, #1156 of 2035 🔗

Apologies in advance for what is a really boring post… 😉

Amazing what you find down the back of the couch.

I was looking at the Gov.uk daily update yesterday and I always have a look to see if anything has changed. I do this because they sometimes change their definitions of things ( very quietly ) in the ‘About’ tabs.

Anyway, before updating my spreadsheet, I always compare the previous day’s numbers with the current day’s; sometimes weird things pop up. Here’s an example from yesterday:

In London, they have found an extra positive test (‘case’) on the 31st of January, another 12 on the 1st of February, and an extra 6 on the 1st of March.

The previous day’s numbers for those 3 days was 0, 1 and 4; the latest numbers for those 2 days are now 1, 13 and 10.

I know, boooooooooooring; but interesting in a scammy sort of way.

339463 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1157 of 2035 🔗

The RKI almost every day still lists at least one “case” per month March to July with the daily update. Today the earliest was end of July.

339400 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #1158 of 2035 🔗

339402 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1159 of 2035 🔗


339485 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), 1, #1160 of 2035 🔗

My first thought too.

339409 ▶▶ danny, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1161 of 2035 🔗

left arm extended straight in the air for the lockdown?
goose-step for the gullible?
nuke the NHS?
bend over for the bastards?

339410 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 9, #1162 of 2035 🔗

It is our duty to ‘admonish’ these clappers

So you clapping for the NHS where people do not get the medical treatment they need – cancer treatment, preventative care, hip operations, etc

339429 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 13, #1164 of 2035 🔗

I am going to blast out some really offensive punk at brain melting levels from the disco van during the clap if the brainwashed fucktards round my way start the sky clapping again. It really put them off last time.

339434 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1165 of 2035 🔗

“You smell like shit” by Alien Sex Fiend will be blasting loud and proud

339585 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1166 of 2035 🔗

I LOVE that tune! However it’s a toss up between “My brain is in the cupboard (above the kitchen sink), “Drive my rocket (up uranus)”, or “mind full of maggots”…It’s a tough one

339412 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #1167 of 2035 🔗

The British public have rumbled this government/public sector weird out.

The poll regarding support for the state broadcaster, the twitter response to the idea of ‘The Clap Part Deux’ make that clear. The increased bluster from the other protagonists noticeable in response to Mr Young’s assured and stellar performance on the state broadcaster also support that view.

The weirdos will have to face the polls sooner or later. I personally doubt they can carry off a delay and I do not believe either London or Scotland will wish for a delay since the incumbents in those parts believe they are on the crest of a wave.

This is a long game. Come what may, the facts are all on one side. The outcome is not in doubt.

339418 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #1168 of 2035 🔗

My sides
look what happened to Trump – the Tower Hamlets tabulation method will be rolled out worldwide

339426 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1169 of 2035 🔗

Indeed. What, exactly, did happen to Trump?

339438 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #1170 of 2035 🔗

Exit stage left
The Neo Liberals would never let him win again
They got blindsided by their own hubris last time
Prepare for war in Syria

339493 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1171 of 2035 🔗

Possibly war with Iran too!

339503 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1172 of 2035 🔗

President Trump weirded out too many people.

The British government is weirding out too many people.

The end result will be the same.

There is already a war in Syria.

339553 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #1173 of 2035 🔗

Civil war is not the same as Clintons “no fly zone” over Syria
That’s war with Russia

339624 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1174 of 2035 🔗

There will not be a no fly zone over Syria and there will not be a war with Russia.

339413 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 24, #1175 of 2035 🔗

The one thing that is missing from Johnson’s press conferences is any assessment of the cost of lockdown. Once Whitty, Van-tam et al. have presented their data, Johnson should immediately follow up by saying: “I have to level with you: this is the projected cost in terms of jobs destroyed, increased poverty, deteriorating mental health, suicides, …” He might then show some graphs to illustrate all the collateral damage (including the number of people on antidepressants – which is now at an all-time high). This will help people make an informed decision about the wisdom of lockdown – and my guess is that the opinion polls will then tell a very different story.

339422 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to JamesM, 7, #1176 of 2035 🔗

Wouldn’t help their narrative though. I agree if people actually knew the cost then they’d be less willing to accept what is happening.

Same if they took the furlough scheme away, if people have no money coming in then again then they might take some notice.

339467 ▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Ambwozere, 4, #1177 of 2035 🔗

I’m not even sure if people were told the costs they would feel any differently. So few are capable of abstract thought that they will need to begin to suffer – as you say, when the furlough cash dries up we might see some flickering of brain activity.

339424 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to JamesM, 9, #1178 of 2035 🔗

Although I agree this should obviously be happening, I’m now well past the time I can forgive people for not working this out for themselves. How can people possibly not work out, just using common sense, that shutting down the country for a year will have hugely negative side effects.

339710 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to JamesM, #1179 of 2035 🔗

people on antidepressants – which is now at an all-time high

Another nice little earner for big pharma…

339449 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, #1181 of 2035 🔗

Hundreds out of thousands? Millions? Perspective needed!

339416 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1182 of 2035 🔗

For Harry Miller – tesco’s riska ssessments:


I don’t have my glasses on but in the bit about violence towards staff in the retail one it does say not to question non-mask wearing customers.

manager has to receive a writtenw arning for breaking the company’s risk assessemnt and safe working practices. This can be a sackable without notice offence.

339425 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1183 of 2035 🔗

Amazing that Tesco called the police. What are they trying to achieve? Chase shoppers away forever?

339447 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Victoria, 13, #1185 of 2035 🔗

I was just listening to Del Bigtree and he believes these vaccines will be a catastrophe and urges his listeners to lay low for a few years — if that’s what it takes — even if it means not being able to fly, go to events, etc. until this plays out. It may take a while if, like every other corona virus vaccine attempt, this one also causes ADE (antibody dependent enhancement). There will be the initial adverse reactions we are already seeing, but then as people who are vaccinated become exposed to Covid and other coronaviruses, they might end up much sicker due to the cytokine storm that results from ADE.

339428 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 38, #1186 of 2035 🔗

Things are getting much worse out there!!

Just got back from a visit to Newcastle under Lyme and the town was virtually 100% muzzled muppets. The level of fear seems to be getting much worse too.

On my way out of the town centre I had to go under a subway and a woman in her 50s was coming the other way with a muzzle on and she stopped dead and clung to the wall and the look of terror in her eyes was truly shocking. She slid past me clinging to the wall and I said to her you need not worry I am healthy and have nothing, thinking that might placate her.

Not a bit of it once she got past me she pulled the mask down and screamed at me to get out of the subway and that I should have had a mask on. Then a man appeared at the other end of the subway also masked and he also started to shout at me. I took a quick look…he was a 10 stone weakling and I would have torn him apart so I gave them both barrels and walked out of the other end.

This is by far the worse confrontation I have had and I was not even in a shop I was outside!

Was I just unlucky or does anyone else feel the fear and hostility to us is accelerating?

339433 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Boris Bullshit, 17, #1187 of 2035 🔗

Covid cynism article by Dr Sinéad Murphy, Philosophy Lecturer at Newcastle University is spot on.

Being nice to these idiots or quote information won’t make a difference. Just attack and tell them how stupid they are or make them feel guilty

339649 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 1, #1188 of 2035 🔗

Just attack and tell them how stupid they are or make them feel guilty”

No that’s (bluntly) stupid, and simply counter-productive, no matter how we feel. You’ll change nothing that way. You’ll just drive people back into their silos of preconception, and the arms of the comfortable propaganda machine.

339440 ▶▶ kev, replying to Boris Bullshit, 12, #1189 of 2035 🔗

Probably just a bit unlucky, that does seem very extreme.

Not worth the effort trying to reason with people like that, just walk by with your head held high beaming healthily, let them move out of the way, and under no circumstances thank them. A well targetted glare may be in order, one that portrays pity, maybe bewilderement.

339456 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to kev, 12, #1190 of 2035 🔗

Next time just say “I hope you live to 100 in your new faceless world” I’ve tried this a few times and it really riles people for some reason.

339453 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Boris Bullshit, 8, #1191 of 2035 🔗

That’s shocking! I certainly have noticed around my village there are far fewer people out and about. I think (hope) that what has happened is people are obeying the new lockdown orders coupled with all the recent scare stories about mutants etc because they are fresh in their minds. Give it a few weeks and they will probably calm down again and more will come out. There does seem to be a cycle though of people relaxing and then being scared into compliance again by the government.

339465 ▶▶▶ kev, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1192 of 2035 🔗

It is quite cold as well, can’t discount that for less people about, and no parents walking kids to school either.

339634 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1193 of 2035 🔗

… a cycle though of people relaxing and then being scared into compliance again by the government.”

I think you’ve got it in one.

339486 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Boris Bullshit, 8, #1194 of 2035 🔗

I went into my local town this morning, with my shopping bag with it’s usual exemption tag on it. I wondered if things might be different, and I might be asked or confronted. I went to the GP surgery with no mask to collect something, as well as local shops and the supermarket – all fine. Nothing different here.

339764 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #1195 of 2035 🔗

Definitely getting worse. Now I get harassed daily. I’m far more cautious now as there’s no predicting what some crazed zombie is capable of doing. My advice when shopping unmasked, keep your eyes open and keep moving!

339834 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Maverick, 2, #1196 of 2035 🔗

Yes I very much agree…this was the first time I have been ganged up on since I grew up as a child on a rough council estate in Manchester! I can beat off most attackers but I am becoming concerned about someone more frail being assaulted in this way. I think people do need to be careful out there…this is only going to get worse as the media intensify the fear porn every evening.

All in all quite a disturbing day.

339431 DanClarke, 16, #1197 of 2035 🔗

In a few months Johnson has totally trashed the country

339435 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 87, #1198 of 2035 🔗

Sceptic friend collects WW2 memorabilia among them heavy duty gas mask with canister,goes into TSB like a good citizen wearing my new face covering, obviously need extra protection due to new strain,well to cut a long story short I held the que up for over two hours,plod called to try and calm me down saying staff could not understand a word I was saying and new strain was not as bad as Media were making out… pissed of customers and staff Fucking hilarious HSBC tommorow…

339445 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #1199 of 2035 🔗

Good on yer, Bruce!

339446 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 20, #1200 of 2035 🔗

Fantastic, great stuff – keep enjoying yourself.

Take the piss out of this shit for all it is worth,

339450 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to rockoman, 15, #1201 of 2035 🔗

You bet my friend..

339451 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #1202 of 2035 🔗

Where do I get one. I was thinking about getting a medieval knights helmet from a fancy dress shop but this is hilarious.

339457 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #1203 of 2035 🔗

I don’t think they are easy to come by, this example is in great condition, I’m going to have some fun with this old relic..

339466 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #1204 of 2035 🔗

Can’t believe I didn’t think of this before and completely forgot about it. We have one in great condition:

339477 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), 13, #1205 of 2035 🔗

Hey way to go my friend the example I have is a real heavy duty job big time pipes and rubber, might even wear it in bed with the other half!.

339470 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #1206 of 2035 🔗

Plenty of gas masks on ebay

339524 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Smelly Melly, 27, #1208 of 2035 🔗

A huge sceptic here, The Amazing Polly, went into a store with a paper bag over her head with holes cut out for the eyes and wrote I AM NOT SICK on it and was allowed to shop after the manager had to concede that it was a face covering. You don’t need to go military or medieval to make a point!

339468 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #1209 of 2035 🔗

Yup – this is the way forward
Plenty of gas masks on ebay
have fun with the nonsense

340321 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1210 of 2035 🔗

That’s hilarious. Definitely doing that.

339474 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #1211 of 2035 🔗

Well no one has ever stated what type of mask it should be. Good for you.

339501 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1212 of 2035 🔗

Hadn’t spotted you on here for a while. Glad you haven’t succumbed to the new deadly mutant

339508 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Jonny S., 5, #1213 of 2035 🔗

Hello my friend I’m still here alive and kicking you can’t keep a good skeptic down..

339571 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1214 of 2035 🔗

Could you manage a sneaky video of your foray into HSBC to keep us frustrated sceptics entertained Bruce?

Or even a selfy?

339583 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1215 of 2035 🔗

comment image

How about one of these, as the ultimate statement?

340053 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1216 of 2035 🔗

In the First World War, British soldiers were provided with protection against gas attack. In the early days, this amounted to a flannel face mask. The soldiers were also instructed to urinate on it to improve its efficacy. The system was so good that every Tommy was fully protected – not.

339436 DanClarke, 6, #1217 of 2035 🔗

They did say that we would be gagging for normality by the time the vaccination arrived and begging to be stabbed with it, and it was called a Plandemic………….

339448 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 10, #1218 of 2035 🔗

I will be interested to see what the take up on the vaccine is by teachers, if the govt do ever offer it to them ahead of other people. Just like with NHS staff, where it is rumoured that likely poor uptake is why they haven’t been prioritised, people’s real opinions are revealed by actions not words.

339471 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to kenadams, 15, #1219 of 2035 🔗

I can imagine the majority of staff at the college I’m at will have it. They all seem very pro the weekly testing of students.

I feel a very lonely person at work because I don’t believe the propaganda.

339478 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Ambwozere, 6, #1220 of 2035 🔗

Testing of students is very different to personally taking an untested potentially dangerous vaccine.

Not saying they won’t do it, but there might be a surprising kick-back.

339484 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to kenadams, 8, #1221 of 2035 🔗

I agree with that – happy for others to be tested/vaccinated (the kids in this case), but not as keen for it to be done to them. It’s akin to the virtue signalers in the climate change bandwagon – ‘I can fly around the world because I am special, but you can’t because we need to save the planet’

339490 ▶▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 16, #1222 of 2035 🔗

As a teacher I’m never taking it until they tie me down.
Never push a kid into testing or muzles either. Most at my place however, do.

339509 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to danny, 8, #1223 of 2035 🔗

Bravo Danny! My daughter is going to be a newly minted teacher soon and I hope she will have the strength to do the same. She already feels pressure about the vaccine and possibly being barred from working, but there are learning pods springing up all over and I just know she will be able to work somehow even if she refuses to be vaccinated.

339482 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ambwozere, 4, #1224 of 2035 🔗

You are almost certailnly not the only perso there who thinks that.

It would not have been my choice, but we need a symbol to recognize each other and Ivor Cummins is now promoting the smiley face.

339599 ▶▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to rockoman, 1, #1225 of 2035 🔗

No I’m probably not the only one, perhaps one of the few who will say what I think.

I am relieved that I don’t yet have to go through the whole not having the test which work have to offer as yet. Bit of a breather before I have to stand up for what I believe, no test for me thanks.

339479 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to kenadams, 5, #1226 of 2035 🔗

Yes indeed. Even though insofar as there is a clinical case, the Government has the right order of priority, and there is no case at all for anyone under 70 without a serious underlying health condition, part of me wants the NHS and teachers unions’ bluff called on this one.

339500 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to kenadams, 3, #1227 of 2035 🔗

i had a message from someone who works in a hospital and is getting the jab on monday. She said “they are flying through the staff here”.
I didn’t ask whether regarding the uptake by NHS staff as I don’t discuss the topic with the group as they are full on for the vaxx etc and would be too controversial as i’m too opinionated and can’t lie/moderate my views! 🙂

339458 DanClarke, 6, #1228 of 2035 🔗

There must be a lot of money to be had from this vaccine malarkey, don’t know how Johnson and his Cabal can face anyone, anymore

339461 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1229 of 2035 🔗


Apparently they now have proof of the US election fraud and the shit is about to fan.

339481 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1230 of 2035 🔗

I sincerely hope they have definite undeniable proof one way or another they risk civil war

339489 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1231 of 2035 🔗

Nothing will happen – Don will whine from the sidelines
Can prob do more damage that way tbh

339729 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1232 of 2035 🔗

The Senate Georgia run-off elections ended with Democrats [apparently] winning there.
MSM for years: ‘The deep south is full of racist Trumpian gun-toting bigots who hate people of colour and Jews…’
Also the MSM: ‘Georgia in the progressive heart of the deep south voted to put an African-American & a Jew into the US Senate…’

339462 zacaway, 2, #1233 of 2035 🔗

Live now. Last significant political leader standing against the new world order:


339480 Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), 4, #1234 of 2035 🔗

First Teessiders tested as hub for people WITHOUT covid symptoms open


Comments largely sceptical

339498 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), #1235 of 2035 🔗

I thought that applied to ALL testing centres for the last 6 months already?

339487 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 23, #1236 of 2035 🔗

I did my bit in the supermarket this morning, by attempting to bolster reason and rationality with an appeal to my interlocutor’s basic decency.

Met my mobile hairdresser by chance- all appointments now cancelled for the foreseeable etc.

Despite being a masked rule enthusiast, she’s actually a nice woman and was keen to talk to her sole sceptic customer.

She wants vaccination rates to be increased and favours mobile units, as suggested by one T Blair.

If this starts to dispel the derangement syndrome, perhaps it might help, although I kept my opinion of Blair to myself.

She then went on to relate the experiences of her daughter, a nurse at a local hospital: body bags being filled, exhausted staff etc.

I countered by reminding her that yes indeed covid can be serious and people do die, but that this happens every year and that people die all the time ; death cannot be relegated to the lost and found, despite what our leaders seem to believe.

I then said ‘lockdowns kill’ and related the thousands of lives and livelihoods needlessly destroyed, the drastic curtailment of education and training for young people, whose prospects are being dashed, and the mounting devastation caused by depression, unemployment ,,indebtedness and despair, not to mention missed cancer diagnoses and treatments.

Finally I did the ‘we cannot rely on silly money indefinitely’; she agreed and accepted that the already hard pressed younger generations would be left to foot the bill for the Magic Money Tree.

This is now my simplified challenge to the zealots, having reflected on the recent article here which examined our failure to break down the compliance wall of virtue adopted by the majority: I just say ‘lockdowns kill’.

Will it work? Time will tell.

Meanwhile, my bare face in the supermarket is stared at but to date, has not been threatened nor challenged.

A few have glared, but looked away when spotting my badge.I’ll take on anyone who might be tempted though, such is my exasperation with this mindless behaviour.

339507 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to wendyk, 2, #1237 of 2035 🔗

Which badge are you wearing?

339560 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to rockoman, 2, #1238 of 2035 🔗

‘I am exempt from wearing a face covering. Thank you for understanding.’

From etsy, with lanyard.

Does the trick.

339623 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to rockoman, #1239 of 2035 🔗

Probably a sunflower lanyard. Easy to get hold of. Make your own. They don’t need to be special.

339488 Richard O, 12, #1240 of 2035 🔗


Very powerful short video, well worth sharing with any collaborators you may know. See the screen shot attached to give you a flavour.

339495 flyingjohn, 41, #1241 of 2035 🔗

Just consider this – we’ve had restrictions of some kind for almost 11 months.

Since autumn we have had tiers, a full lockdown in November, then tougher tiers and now another full lockdown. During all of this we had the regime of social distancing, masks, screens in shops and customer facing situations and hand sanitising.

Despite all this, the virus is supposedly still spreading. How? And now there is supposedly a new variant that is even more highly contagious, by around 70%. So, it follows that all the restrictions imposed on us are not going to stop the virus continuing to spread. The government and their lackeys in the MSM are today telling us that 1 in 50 of us already have the virus. Really? If this is true (it probably isn’t, but let’s use the propaganda against them), surely this means that in a few weeks time, most of us will have it and herd immunity will be reached naturally, without the vaccine rollout.

I say it’s time to use reverse psychology on the lockdown zealots, the bedwetters, the pro-vaxxers and the government. Refuse the vaccine on the grounds that herd immunity will save us in a few weeks because SAGE, the MSM and the government are telling us that 1 in 50 of us already have the virus and it is so highly contagious that it can’t be stopped.

Time to call their bluff.

339497 DThom, replying to DThom, 2, #1242 of 2035 🔗

How do they know that the ‘new’ variant is on the rise?
Does the PCR give them this info?

339505 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), replying to DThom, 1, #1243 of 2035 🔗

Apparently PCR is easy to tweak to identify,

339556 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Sarigan (Day 289 of lockdown), 3, #1244 of 2035 🔗

As far as I can see PCR is easy to tweak to see anything from Netflix to an elephant’s armpit.

339512 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to DThom, 1, #1245 of 2035 🔗

I believe they sequence a certain percentage, there was also something published which stated that it showed up with a lower cycle threshold.

339513 ▶▶ iansn, replying to DThom, 1, #1246 of 2035 🔗

no tea leaves or chicken bones tell them.

339522 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to DThom, #1247 of 2035 🔗
339576 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to DThom, #1248 of 2035 🔗

There is a clue on Whitty’s charts of doom. “New variant compatible” is on the legend. I don’t know exactly what it means but it clearly indicates a lack of certainty.

340143 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to DThom, #1249 of 2035 🔗

They test for the presence of three genes from the viral genome in the PCR. The new variant has a deletion of two amino acids missing that stops the spike gene (S) from showing. So instead of being positively for S/N/ORF one sees just N/ORF. Sequencing some of the samples (reading all the amino acid sequences in the whole genome) shows the deletion is present confirming that the strain is the new variant.

339504 PhantomOfLiberty, 1, #1250 of 2035 🔗

Covid vaccine and Informed Consent: Dr Noel Thomas in BMJ on-line

Re: Covid-19: Health secretary vows to reduce bureaucracy faced by vaccination volunteers Re: Covid-19: Health secretary vows to reduce bureaucracy faced by vaccination volunteers Abi Rimmer. 372:doi 10.1136/bmj.n13
Dear Editor,
However splendid Dr Head’s intentions may be using Critical Path Analysis to vaccinate 1000 people before lunch, one wonders if the problems posed by UK law on informed consent, and recent GMC advice on decision making and consent, might not slow his initiative, somewhat ?
His requirement for “Adequate clerical staff to book people in, consent them,“ assumes that those clerical staff would need to be well versed in vaccine knowledge, especially relating to Covid vaccines. Even if they explain that the vaccine makers are contactually free of any compensation liability, further queries may be put to them, about that peculiarity ? The lack of medium and long term safety and efficacy information makes them, in some respects, experimental vaccines, another area of uncertainty for clerical staff. Courts might also expect them to explain at least some of the emerging uncertainties, as Doshi has illustrated (1). Are clerical staff likely to be that conversant with the emerging literature ?
The doctor’s medical protection organisation might obstruct matters further, by pointing out that gaining informed consent is normally the responsibility of the person performing the procedure, who is wise to record the advice he or she gives, lest those actions are ever tested in court.
Vaccinating doctors need to consider that courts, following the Montgomery judgement in 2015, have set expensive precedents for doctors who perform a procedure with professional skill but who have omitted to explain that, even in the best hands, rare and disabling effects may ensue. (2)
The fact that present vaccination arrangements may not be conducive to the lengthy dialogue that informed consent sometimes requires, will not have escaped the notice of observers.
That may seem not to matter, in these unusual times.
The courts might decide otherwise, and enthusiasts for rapid clinical turnover need to be aware of that uncertainty.
1 https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-
2 https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5b2897ad2c94e06b9e1983ff

339511 Anti_socalist, replying to Anti_socalist, 10, #1251 of 2035 🔗


Is this clapping ritual, some kind of voodoo or witch craft to ward off the evil covid spirit, or just mindless social engineering, formulated by spooks from mi5 or 77th brigade?

Or something more insidious & evil like socialism?

339587 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Anti_socalist, 2, #1252 of 2035 🔗

Just retarded monkeys seeing and doing.

339514 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1253 of 2035 🔗

Latest figures 1041/62322. Yeah I know with/from and not all yesterday and positive tests which will include falsies.

339530 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1254 of 2035 🔗

Does anyone know how the NHS obtain their death figures? We have the bizarre situation that earlier today ONS published the latest registered death figures which look fairly normal for winter time and then this afternoon the NHS pop up with their death figures and proclaim we are all doomed to die of covid.
Why are the NHS even reporting deaths at all surely that is the job of the ONS? It seems a very confusing situation.

339548 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1255 of 2035 🔗

The NHS management obtain their death figures by killing people when they think we’re not looking.

339566 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1256 of 2035 🔗

They have a ready store of DNRs for that purpose – a scandal that needs to be investigated but for a proper journalist.

339642 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #1257 of 2035 🔗

If only we had one, they’re all frit. I found that out in 1989 when fighting a briefly notorious case involving a West End shop selling neo-Nazi merchandise. Anything which poses a potential threat to their physical or job security is off-limits. Undercover investigative journalism has neither the volunteers nor a market; Jeremy Vine told me I had a career in that endeavour, should I wish, when I subpoena’d him against his (and his producer’s) will at BBC Television Centre. They don’t like it up ’em.

339604 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1258 of 2035 🔗

Nearly 500.000 tests processed. Over 460.000 Tuesday. 428.770 on Monday.
Who are these people getting tested?

340376 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Silke David, #1259 of 2035 🔗

Probably the ones they’ve already tested!


339515 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #1260 of 2035 🔗

From a very reliable source

NHS staff in a very large hospital near me are altering computer records

In the hospital the vaccine is allocated to a patient in line with the government guidelines. That vaccine dose is then given a unique reference code and relates to that patient

NHS staff are logging into computers and altering the records so that the dose can be reallocated to staff members families and friends

Is it this Thursday that the clapping starts again?

339528 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1261 of 2035 🔗

I’d say that would be picked up in an instant. Maybe covered up, but from an IT perspective it’d be obvious to any sys admin.

339536 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1262 of 2035 🔗

Assume not if it is ‘off balance sheet’ so to speak, that is, on the private book of said consultants?

339537 ▶▶ mj, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1263 of 2035 🔗

so any decent database system will maintain an audit history so that any changes can be tracked and linked to the person that made them.
any decent system…. but this is the NHS

339551 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1264 of 2035 🔗

The idiots who stand outside clapping like performing seals are much more likely to catch a chill and die than from Covid.

339581 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #1265 of 2035 🔗

Quite frankly, I hope they fucking do, They deserve it. They don’t give a crap abut all the millions of people they are condemning to misery and early deaths. I see them as the enemy of reason and the enemy of civil society. They are the most selfish bastards, and they are being exposed. Stupid and selfish.

339732 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Chris Hume, #1266 of 2035 🔗

Couldn’t have put it better myself.

339516 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 13, #1267 of 2035 🔗

So a guy who I know well came to our office today to do the routine electrical checks.

Told him he could remove the face nappy (he had one of the thicker industrial ones) if he wanted, but he was too afraid of being caught by the building owners.

He then sneezed heavily 3 times in quick succession into his thick white face nappy…..but carried on for the next hour like nothing had happened. We were stunned. What strange behavior.

339542 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1268 of 2035 🔗

Utter madness.

339628 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1269 of 2035 🔗

that’s funny!
Did you see him lick it up with his tongue inside the nappy?

339517 Nobody2021, 12, #1270 of 2035 🔗

Pandemic Logic:

Person 1 – OMG I stubbed my toe, I’m going to die
Person 2 – Calm down, you’re not going to die, don’t make such a fuss
Person 1 – I can’t believe you’re trying to downplay the seriousness of the situation
Person 2 – I’m not downplaying the seriousness of the situation, I’m downplaying your perception of the seriousness of it
Person 1 – Are you denying that I stubbed my toe? You’re a total denier

I’m sure there will be some literal pedants out there who will try to say that this virus is more deadly than stubbing your toe in an attempt to detract from the point.

339518 Ceriain, 7, #1271 of 2035 🔗

1041 ‘reported’ deaths!

On the day of a vote in the HOC; what a surprise!

339519 Sam Vimes, 17, #1272 of 2035 🔗

Hey, do you have a friend or relative who is in a care home? Or maybe a loved one that has cancer? If so, the Health Secretary has a special message for you – “Say goodbye”.

If you like the idea of that, stand on your doorstep tomorrow night and act like a fucking seal.

339520 Liewe, replying to Liewe, 1, #1273 of 2035 🔗

Just watched the Jan 4th Good Morning Britain with Matt Hancock. Of course no comments allowed, but fascinating to see the episode has 2000 dislikes against 4000 likes.
Wonder whether those dislikes are of Matt Hancock’s ideas or Piers Morgan’s “Lockdown not severe enough” ideas?

339525 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liewe, 3, #1274 of 2035 🔗

Piers was doing a virtual speed date with Tony Blair this morning. TB talking about more authoritarianism and PM giggly providing his approval.

339529 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1275 of 2035 🔗

Another cunt added to the list

339588 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jaguarpig, 2, #1276 of 2035 🔗

I’d argue Moron’s been on it the whole time.

339539 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Liewe, 1, #1277 of 2035 🔗

My MP is on record as saying how much she admired Madge’s ”energy” in taking actions that kept hospitals from being overwhelmed. (No doubt he simpered prettily before answering.)

You really would be stretched to invent these people in a zombie video game.

339521 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #1278 of 2035 🔗

New study showing the total immunity to reinfection(especially symptomatic) is very robust


Immunological memory to SARS-CoV-2 assessed for up to 8 months after infection

“Notably, memory B cells specific for the Spike protein or RBD were detected in almost all COVID-19 cases, with no apparent half-life at 5 to 8 months post-infection.”

“Both of those associations are consistent with the hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 memory T cells and B cells would be capable of substantially limiting SARS-CoV-2 dissemination and/or cumulative viral load, resulting in reduced COVID-19 disease severity. The likelihood of such outcomes is also closely tied to the kinetics of the infection, as memory B and T cell responses can take 3-5 days to successfully respond to an infection. As noted above, given the relatively slow course of severe COVID-19 in humans, resting immune memory compartments can potentially contribute in meaningful ways to protective immunity against pneumonia or severe secondary COVID-19”

339534 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1279 of 2035 🔗

Won’t make any difference though, judging by the wild, mad look in Wittery’s eyes. The virus is an excuse for the agenda.
And I never used to be a conspiracy theorist!

339526 JASA, replying to JASA, 9, #1280 of 2035 🔗

The clapping isn’t starting again is it? Please, no.

339545 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to JASA, 3, #1281 of 2035 🔗

Not outside my house!

339561 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to JASA, #1282 of 2035 🔗

Yes I’ve just heard that though it does seem to be going down like a cup of cold sick with a lot of people. I have alro heard a suggestion it is now clap for Covid survivors!

339567 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1283 of 2035 🔗


339648 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to JASA, 2, #1284 of 2035 🔗

It’ll at least be easier to pick out the terminally braindead this time round.

339531 Banjones, 1, #1285 of 2035 🔗
339532 Jonny S., 2, #1286 of 2035 🔗

Bearing in mind the previous 5 days are liable to be adjusted

Date of Death 31/12/20 539

Date reported 31/12/20 964


339533 james007, replying to james007, 5, #1287 of 2035 🔗

I’ve been arguing that our local preschool should stay open. People keep saying that all nurserys and preschools should close because children can pass the virus between families. I remember reading two studies last summer which we not able to find examples of infants passing covid to a parent, and thus the risk is likely to be low.
Are people saying that this is not the case for the super mutant version? If so have examples of transmission from infants now been found, or is this yet another article of the Covidian faith?

339558 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to james007, 13, #1288 of 2035 🔗

I have been trolling people by suggesting that camps be built and children interned in them and educated and cared for by the state until the end of the pandemic. Pulls up short those parents who argue their children going to school could bring covid home. Sometimes it’s fun just to rub their noses in their own stupidity.

339573 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 9, #1289 of 2035 🔗

Excellent – and because the kids need to concentrate hard in them, we could call them ‘concentration schools’, or to make them sound more fun and holiday-like – ‘concentration camps’.

339584 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to BTLnewbie, 4, #1290 of 2035 🔗

Nice one! 🤣 🤣 🤣

339657 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #1291 of 2035 🔗

This is excellent, I am doing similar things. Follow the Covid Cult “thinking” to its logical conclusion, then go a few steps further. Serve to your local collaborators with a very thick dollop of rotten, congealed mayonnaise.

339758 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1292 of 2035 🔗

This is a REALLY REALLY GOOD IDEA. Pump out some hard covidian bullshit, so harsh it will make even the most brainwashed zealot blush and balk. Bastards

339779 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #1293 of 2035 🔗

Same, I have taken to agreeing with some of the Covid Nazis on FB and just pushing it a step further. FULL Lockdown for a month. Nobody in or out. Healthcare online, two days notice to stock up, prison staff can stay in the prisons, nurses and doctors to sleep at the hospitals. I even said on one post ‘It is quite cold at this time of year, so dead bodies can be left outside without too much decomposition’. Some of the nuggets upvoted me. I do get sane people attack me as well, and i have to come clean, or I feel bad for them, but it is great fun magneting the Covid numpties.

339627 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to james007, 3, #1294 of 2035 🔗

The Iceland study was significant to prove they are not. There was another study that said if you lived with primary age kids, you had statistically less chance of getting Covid. Correlation/causation issue maybe, but even the BBC reported it.

339538 Alias Margaret, replying to Alias Margaret, 4, #1295 of 2035 🔗


You may not be able to see all the orange columns on this graph but the high number of deaths reported today go back as far as the 12th of November.

339541 ▶▶ Alias Margaret, replying to Alias Margaret, 1, #1296 of 2035 🔗

Sorry, just seen Jonny S’s post.
Need to click on figure 1 ( all deaths) to show the graph to which I am referring.

339544 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1297 of 2035 🔗

MP’s have fallen for the mutant virus crap and the vaccine fairy story

We all know however that as Mandy Cock is involved in the ‘vaccine rollout’ it will be a monumental fuck up

Any suggestions as to what the new pre Easter narrative will be?

339555 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1298 of 2035 🔗

Vaccine resistant covid from South Africa is my best bet

339562 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Ricky1, 7, #1299 of 2035 🔗

Yes, Yvette Cooper has just this last minute mentioned it. Of course, there is always Long Covid hanging in the background too.

339574 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Ricky1, 4, #1300 of 2035 🔗

Yes I bet money on this one as well. Hancock has already said that he is more worried about it than this strain, and that it will take up to 6 weeks to “tweak the vaccines” to take account of it. What could possible go wrong?

339579 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Marialta, 5, #1301 of 2035 🔗

So does he plan to re-jab all the folk who’ve already head the non-South Africa version? What a horrific thought….

339563 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1302 of 2035 🔗

“The Vaccines Aren’t Working!!” hysteria in the media to get lockdown maintained through to September.

339572 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 5, #1303 of 2035 🔗

Some variant of this. Anything to stop large gatherings. That’s what scares them the most I’m sure.

340333 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to PoshPanic, #1304 of 2035 🔗

The ban on protests will be maintained for sure.

339613 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #1305 of 2035 🔗

We are also awaiting the outcome of research into the possibility that someone who is vaccinated can still transmit the virus after vaccination Will be very interesting. There may be all sorts of other outcomes to this mass vaccination programme …watch this space

340332 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1306 of 2035 🔗

Yes that would do it.

340330 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Cecil B, #1307 of 2035 🔗

The number of cases won’t budge at all is my prediction. Maybe multiple new strains and identifying everyone who dies for any reason as rona. We’re nearly there already. Most of the people I know don’t even think there is any controversy about what is happening. I do wonder how they’ll stretch the panic through the summer though.

339564 PoshPanic, 3, #1308 of 2035 🔗

So they’re trying their best to discredit Toby. As usual, let’s ignore the fact that he got the best of the Newsnight debate and focus on this one line.


339568 Country Mumkin, 1, #1309 of 2035 🔗

Massive natural Covid immunity…. this looks amazing but perhaps will be censored!


339570 The Rule of Pricks, #1310 of 2035 🔗

Does anyone know where I can get mortality data for 2020 broken down by cause?

This website is great but only goes to 2019


339577 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 5, #1311 of 2035 🔗

Mr. Cummins proven spot on again! No ‘second wave’:


339589 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to common conservative, 1, #1312 of 2035 🔗


339582 jb12, 10, #1313 of 2035 🔗

My wife works for a small business, and her boss has been told some form of furlough will last until July – funny they know that when this is a ‘fast-moving’ situation that is dependent on an actual virus.

339586 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 22, #1314 of 2035 🔗

Sir Charles Walker. Another barnstorming speech – brought a tear to my eye. Restores you faith in humanity (he had a go at those of privilege having a ‘good lockdown’, inclusing the journos calling others ‘covidiots)

339593 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 14, #1315 of 2035 🔗

He’s the man for the new era. Take it to the streets Charles

339590 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1316 of 2035 🔗

Son is telling me this website is being intermittently blocked or redirected and a VPN is needed to get to the latest page at times as some of the people he is giving the address out to are telling him.

Once they have been a few times and are a “regular” then whoever is doing the censoring or redirecting stops playing games.

Had this over the years witha few other non-comformist websites so it is believable.

339617 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1317 of 2035 🔗

This site has various tips, both to enhance privacy so “they” can’t track you and workaround blocks:

339591 TheBluePill, 16, #1318 of 2035 🔗

Great speech by Charles Walker again. The only person who has spoken from the heart and avoided virtue signalling. Contrast with the non entity following him.

339607 ▶▶ Mike, replying to common conservative, 7, #1320 of 2035 🔗

It needs much more of that to break through the malaize in which the majority of the population find themselves.

I had a conversation with my younger brother today which went along the lines of ‘I don’t take much notice of any of it and don’t listen. The government will do what they want anyway so why bother worrying about it’…

I’d have punched the Lilly livered b@sterd if we’d been in the same room.

The term ignorance is bliss never seemed more apt. They don’t care what effect this has on others… following the rules is both virtuous and financially advantageous (for those on furlough). I am sick of the lot of them.

339679 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to common conservative, 1, #1321 of 2035 🔗

Three cheers for Andrea Leadsom!

339683 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to common conservative, 1, #1322 of 2035 🔗

All well and good.

She made a storming speech in the HOC before the Lockdown vote…

… and then abstained. She didn’t vote AGAINST, she ABSTAINED!

339595 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1323 of 2035 🔗

Here’s the breakdown on today’s 1041 reported deaths* (i.e. the propaganda figure the MSM will use).

Here’s when the deaths* actually occured. These are the deaths* by date of death* figures. The table shows the changes from yesterday to today.

First column is date; second column is what was on the Gov site yesterday; third column is what was on the Gov site today; fourth column is what was added today. Hope that makes sense.

This makes up the majority of the changes; there are a few 1’s and 2’s in early December and in November.

The main thing I take away from looking at the ‘reality’ as far as death figures go is how much the Government use the ‘Reported’ death figure as propaganda. The MSM know that’s not the real figure, but reality doesn’t keep the scam going.

The government are reporting a 37% increase in deaths* from last week; it’s completely untrue – they simply use the reported figure instead of the ‘real’ one.

*As always, “deaths” are those within 28 days of a postive PCR test; there is no guarantee any of these people died OF Covid.

339632 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1324 of 2035 🔗

Thanks Ceriain.

339741 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1325 of 2035 🔗

Thank you. I recall we used to get a breakdown by age and existing comorbidities but I can’t find these anymore.

339905 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Fiona Walker, #1326 of 2035 🔗

I can help you with that, Fiona.

It’s on this page: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

It’s an Excel spreadsheet, link is here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-31-December-2020-weekly-file.xlsx

I’ve left an image below with the summary up to 30th December; there is more info in the spreadsheet. 🙂

I should add: this is for English hospitals only.

339596 yohodi, 14, #1327 of 2035 🔗

As many people have already said, this is a Casedemic, manipulation of numbers..For, a case doth not a coffin make, a case is not the same as a clinical diagnosis…and therein lies the rub (and the fraud)

339600 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 20, #1328 of 2035 🔗

Going to be busy the next few weeks – a consignment has arrived from China of over 10 million covid tests without warning and the company I sub-contract to has the contract to get them delivered in the next 3-4 weeks to GPs, dentists, pharmacies etc. so may be quiet at times unless something important crops up with FOI replies or during my travels etc.

So far I can honestly say GPs have never been quieter, seen no covid vaccination queues, no flu jab queues, all but 1 person I’ve met staff, patients and customers have been sceptical to some degree and most going through the motions or because their employer insists.

Only been asked about my free-face status once by a pharmacist, pointed out my exemption lanyard and she said “but youa re delivering covid test kits”. My answer – how many false positives are these going to generate? Goes quiet, looks away all shiftily.

One pharmacist also told me he was just going to dump the kits as he’s not going to use them anyway.

339656 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1329 of 2035 🔗

Oh Awkward Git start making videos! Hidden camera… it would be brilliant.

339750 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #1330 of 2035 🔗

Forgot to say these are “quick antigen tests” as the box says so LFTs not PCRs if I get it right.

339602 Edward, replying to Edward, 17, #1331 of 2035 🔗

Afternoon walk, my only trip outside today – can’t be rebellious every day. Outdoor maskies are mostly oldies who probably watch the BBC religiously and regard it as infallible. Main roads fairly busy. Lots of delivery vans – DPD, Argos, Tesco etc, and in my street a plain white van (though dirty) delivering to several households, presumably a subcontractor. Some garages and building sites working. This is a middle class lockdown if one recognises that distinction.

339605 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, 5, #1332 of 2035 🔗

A kids’ nursery was operating. Hand sanitiser at the door, Mummy or Daddy have to put on a mask when they pick up little Johnny or Jenny. But if the official narrative is to be believed, little Jamie probably has “it” already and has passed it on to little Johnny and Jenny (all asymptomatic) as they romp around, so Mummy and Daddy will get it anyway, and we’re all going to die.

Of course we are, but probably not of covid.

339667 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Edward, 5, #1333 of 2035 🔗

My toddlers nursery today was turn up drop off at the gate outside as it has been since she started, no masks, no hand sanitizer required.
Staff don’t wear masks either, I’m glad she goes there and has a normal experience.

339692 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to CapLlam, #1334 of 2035 🔗

Through the window of the one I passed I could see about half a dozen kids and a member of staff (unmasked), looked like all were having a good time. Normality can still be found.

339620 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Edward, 5, #1335 of 2035 🔗

I am a big supporter of the BBC but I know lies when I hear them and I could cheerfully kick Fergus Walsh’s head to jelly.
AKA :Doctor Doom.

339668 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Edward, 7, #1336 of 2035 🔗

I’ve been out twice today, don’t tell the Stasi! Ok this morning was a walk combined with a bit of food shopping, and this afternoon was an hours run in the countryside. Had a conversation with a couple of horses in a field, they talked more sense than the government!

339866 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Edward, #1337 of 2035 🔗

It seems to be the middle class who can afford to obey it. I’m All right Trevor I Work From Home etc.

339603 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 30, #1338 of 2035 🔗

Economic armegeddon

Further to my earlier piece on the unpleasant mask confrontation I had in Newcastle Under Lyme I wanted to comment on the economic state of the town centre. I do not live there I live in Ironbridge near Telford,but I have been going there for 20 years.

It used to be a nice vibrant town centre but today it looked like a ghost town or somewhere from the wild west. For a wednesday it looked like 2 am on a sunday…hardly anyone about and all maskoids outside as well as in.

But I noticed the large amount of empty premises…. all the way down from the now defunct Laura Ashley to the defunct sweet shop all but one shop was closed for good. Lots of empty interiors,white washed windows and for sale signs. Even charity shops had given up the ghost.

What on earth is this place going to look like by Easter or beyond? Johnson has utterly butchered the economy in a way no one ever has in my life time. Its hard to put this down to mere ‘incompetence’….wake up Toby for christ sake before its too late.

We are living in very disturbing times…the time for complacency is over.

339618 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #1339 of 2035 🔗

Same in my local town. at least 6 shops have already closed since Christmas. We already had a glut of empty shop fronts so what will replace these shops is anyones guess….another costa or betting shop is my guess. Currently its a couple of beggars who seem to have materialised out of thin air (not something we see often)

339625 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mike, 9, #1340 of 2035 🔗

I saw a busker who I have seen there for years…he had a mask on and you could not tell what he was singing! You couldn’t make it up.

339641 ▶▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Boris Bullshit, 9, #1341 of 2035 🔗

Unfortunately I think at this point in time you probably could make it up…the sheep are even more dense or ignorant than I ever imagined….If I could move to an island on my own then I flaming well would. I despair at the level of stupidity and compliance to which we have sunk in this country!

339661 ▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Mike, 3, #1342 of 2035 🔗

Are there enough of us to take Jersey?

339797 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FenTyger, 1, #1343 of 2035 🔗

Count me in.I like Jersey.

339733 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Mike, #1344 of 2035 🔗

On your own? Social Distancing? Surely you would take us with you ?

339652 ▶▶▶▶ Al T, replying to Boris Bullshit, 11, #1345 of 2035 🔗

Oh you could! Queuing to use the cash point today, there’s a grubby self righteous twat banging on to his mate about non mask wearers….except he kept pulling his own mask up to vape 😂 and then, delightfully, spat on the pavement.

If brains were cotton wool, you couldn’t make a tampax for a Canary.

339619 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Boris Bullshit, 8, #1346 of 2035 🔗

It’s s depressed dump, all the Potteries are.

Council claims though that it isn’t and the area will bounce back quickly once things get back to normal.

When I asked them to explain the reasons for their stance they never answered.

339631 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1347 of 2035 🔗

I wonder why lol…..from what I saw today there is no hope for the place. There is also a shockingly ugly mass of half finished student flats in the centre with their insides hanging out! They have been like that for 2 years…..is it on the way to becoming Beirut?

339660 ▶▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #1348 of 2035 🔗

I did a months work in Beirut back in 1993. The hotels like Holiday Inn full of bullet holes were a bit offputting, but I had some very good times there. Better than the shithouse existence we’re putting up with here now.

339751 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to dhpaul, #1349 of 2035 🔗

That bad eh?

339671 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #1350 of 2035 🔗

Beirut is better, at least they live in hope things will get better.

Stokies just seem to exist with no hope of improvement as the council are sueless and with ever increasing druggies hanging round the streets living on the social.

339715 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Awkward Git, #1351 of 2035 🔗

I used to go to Stoke (Hanley) once or twice a year, usually for a Saturday lunchtime organ recital at the Victoria Hall and then a visit to the Potteries Museum & Art Gallery. Apart from that it did look depressed. Webberley’s bookshop was worth a visit but it closed some years ago. Actually I was amazed it kept going so long as usually there was hardly anyone in it.

339769 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Awkward Git, #1352 of 2035 🔗

Surely it can’t be worse than Dudley.

339622 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #1353 of 2035 🔗

Starting to wonder if there is some truth in this, in which case we’ve got a bump ride ahead:

339654 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to zacaway, 3, #1354 of 2035 🔗

It will still be a ‘conspiracy’ even if it happens. The people in charge of the financial system also control the MSM media. We can warn people what might happen and get called idiots but if it come true no one will acknowledge we were correct.

The system they have created only accepts complete obedience and submissiveness to the ruling establishment – people get what they deserve for being so easily brought off with social media and Chinese made gadgets.

339659 ▶▶▶ DThom, replying to zacaway, 4, #1355 of 2035 🔗

Yes, I’ve been revisiting this recently – very worrying!
Is this where we are heading with slightly different timings?

339666 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #1356 of 2035 🔗

My visit to Eastbourne town centre today was absolutely desperate too.

Deserted, shops all closed and just a few people with heads down and muzzles on scurrying along. I went into Specsavers and HSBC. No resistance to my bare face but was told to hand sanitise. Odd shops that have tried to stay open like the mobile phone shop now have a table at the doorway and a warden with visor and mask to ask what you want. Absolutely no joy, no noise or laughter, no chat, no smiles – much worse than in Tier 3 and it was bad enough then!

339818 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Marialta, 1, #1357 of 2035 🔗

I sympathise….never has my country looked so depressing nor the people in it. I try to avoid going out into towns wherever possible….if I do go out its usually for a walk in the countryside where I hope I do not see anyone as you even get maskoids out there!

339606 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #1358 of 2035 🔗

Good article on our psychological abuse

339962 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1359 of 2035 🔗

And speaking with people today about this, it’s astonishing how many people think it’s ok to create fear to get behaviour

339608 Fingerache Philip, 3, #1360 of 2035 🔗

Police arrest anti lockdown protesters (some maskless) in London.
Nothing changes.

339610 Basics, replying to Basics, 13, #1361 of 2035 🔗

How are incompetence theorists doing coming up with the Occam’s razor for…

Apparently NHS now doesn’t have the capabilities to process it’s own data, so will now not be publishing data on the following…

Critical care bed capacity.
Urgent operations that are cancelled.
Elective surgeries cancelled.
Delayed transfer of care.


A wonderful UK Column goes into more detail about this grubby little action by the NHS lying by omission comittee see
Truly exceptional coverage today.

Apologies for my mean spirited incompetence theorist slur, we are all getting a bit frustrated. Diversity of opinion is the magic that binds us together and all that jazz.

339646 ▶▶ matt, replying to Basics, 4, #1362 of 2035 🔗

Do we really need to keep drawing battle lines amongst ourselves?

339876 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Basics, #1363 of 2035 🔗

12 minute mark it starts.

339936 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Basics, #1364 of 2035 🔗

That really is cooking the books isn’t it. This is crucial data. They really are on the back foot now. It is truly scandalous.

339612 mj, replying to mj, 15, #1365 of 2035 🔗

curious.. just had letter from nhs england (centrally, not locally) reminding me that i have not had a flu jab this year (they have checked!) goes on with usual bumf but mentions that i can transmit flu to others (even if i dont have symptoms) and we need to reduce flu illnesses to help protect them and the NHS.
Also mentions that on average 11000 die each year from flu. I know that but i guess most sheeple think no one dies
So, dont recall having this letter in past years. So what has brought it on this year? No mention of Covid jab (but then i am not priority yes)
Anyway, i will ignore it .. Not had flu jab for years so not starting now

339716 ▶▶ Gill, replying to mj, 1, #1366 of 2035 🔗

I had the same letter a few weeks ago. This followed two letters from my GP also reminding me to have the flu jab. I filed it with the other letters, in the shredder.

339725 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Gill, 3, #1367 of 2035 🔗

By letter 8 the message will be ‘Get the jab bitch or we throw you off the books’ and Save the NHS.

340040 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Andrea Salford, #1368 of 2035 🔗

Was thinking the other day, maybe they could draw us up a disclaimer, so we can opt out and we can do what we like. It’s not that much of a risk given the appalling state of the NHS and the fact it needs saving from us is it.

339723 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to mj, 4, #1369 of 2035 🔗

I got a GP ping a month ago saying they had a few spots left for flu jabs. I bet they did.

339738 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mj, 3, #1370 of 2035 🔗

I have had a come and get your flu jab or text DECLINE text every week for the last 6 weeks. I wish they would just fuck off and leave me alone. However I don’t want to feed their machine by texting DECLINE to them. Bastards

340046 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #1371 of 2035 🔗

Oh – they gave up on me after the first one – maybe they like you more than me. 🙂

339932 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to mj, #1372 of 2035 🔗

It’s also the first time that I am aware of that it has been said that the flu can be transmitted to others. What utter jerks!

339614 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #1373 of 2035 🔗

Driven past quite a few covid test centres this week and last – all empty.

Son’s friend says he lives near one in Shrewsbury, never seen more than 2 people in it who are not staff so where did all the 100s of thousands of tests get done?

339630 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1374 of 2035 🔗

Ain’t that weird.

339636 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1375 of 2035 🔗

Same in Notts.

339676 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1376 of 2035 🔗


339803 ▶▶ houdini, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1377 of 2035 🔗

Go past it every day just see a poor frozen guy in high viz and mask pacing the pavement outside .
Light on in vast tented structure but no one at home.

339621 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 44, #1378 of 2035 🔗

The divide between lockdown supporters and opponents can be summed up thus:-

Lockdown supporter: ‘the government is doing lockdown again as people aren’t following the rules!’

Lockdown opponent: ‘the government is doing lockdown again as people ARE following the rules.’

339626 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 6, #1379 of 2035 🔗

Brilliantly put.

339674 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Fingerache Philip, 14, #1380 of 2035 🔗

I also agree; this is a post I made the other day – sentiment is pretty much what has been said above.

“I was thinking last night about Bob (Moran) and his wonderful cartoons throughtout all this. I also found myself thinking about some of the other cartoonists, now, and in the past, who drew cartoons that, while funny and satirical, could also be seen as quite sinister.

I got in my head a vision of a future ‘cartoon’: it was two people standing together getting ready to be loaded into a cattle truck (one of VanTam’s trains?) to be taken to (a camp?) who knows where. One of
these people was a full on believer, the other was one of us. The conversation between the two was short:

Believer says to sceptic, “But I did everything I was told, I followed all their rules; why am I here?”

Sceptic replies, “Because you did everything you were told, you followed all their rules. That’s why we’re both here!””

339629 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1381 of 2035 🔗



The originator of the weekly “ clap for carers ”, honouring NHS and other healthcare staff for their efforts during the coronavirus pandemic, has announced it is to resume on Thursday.

339633 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #1382 of 2035 🔗

We need a campaign for ‘Boo the Bullshit’ 6pm on Mondays (or whenever the briefings are – I make a point of avoiding them).

339635 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 8, #1383 of 2035 🔗

Actually make that 6am since that’s when most us are still up with this insomnia inducing horror show.

339734 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Andrea Salford, 4, #1384 of 2035 🔗

That would be something I could get behind

339639 ▶▶ matt, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1385 of 2035 🔗

I think you’ve missed the worst of it. Apparently the clap is also for such heroes as people who wear masks and follow social distancing rules. Presumably also, those who dob their neighbours in.

339682 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1386 of 2035 🔗

Hopefully this collapses like a soggy souffle.

That may be the best indicator to Johnson that we are NOT reconciled to his measures.

339700 ▶▶▶ Ian Reid, replying to Al T, 6, #1387 of 2035 🔗

Yes hopefully this will be a spectacular own goal. Even the hardiest virtue signalling muppet is going to blanch at standing outside looking like a moron on a freezing Thursday evening in January. Bring it on I say.

339747 ▶▶▶▶ Al T, replying to Ian Reid, 3, #1388 of 2035 🔗

Yes, I think this may be very much to our purpose.

I am, of course, prepared to he disappointed with loads of mawkish idiots making a racket like performing Seals.

339832 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Al T, 1, #1389 of 2035 🔗

Yes,that crossed my mind too.
God,I pray so.

339703 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1390 of 2035 🔗

After my initial response of fury and disgust, I took a deep breath and looked at it again.

It’s actually pitifully hilarious that someone feels the need to reinstate this absurd ritual. The whole civilisation is burning to the ground (good), and people are applauding their own annihilation. Natural selection seems to have taken a break, but thankfully it will be back with a vengeance.

339774 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 2, #1391 of 2035 🔗

Like, the performing morons all get bad colds, think it’s Covid, and die of fright?
Roll on.

339924 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Richard O, 1, #1392 of 2035 🔗

We really are back to February last year aren’t we. Back to square 1. Clapping for carers (thankfully most of us here never did embarass ourselves doing this). The Slogan ” Save Lives, Protect the NHS, Stay Safe” has been revived and we are back in full lockdown. So, all those lockdowns, mask mandates, social distancing mandates haven’t got us anywhere other than back to square 1. If you wrote a drama about it nobody would believe it!

339989 ▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Jo Dominich, #1393 of 2035 🔗

on the contrary, they’ve got us a whole lot closer to economic and societal collapse.

339727 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1394 of 2035 🔗

Going to play a recording of sheep bleating full blast out of my window if they start again.

339925 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #1395 of 2035 🔗

Love it!

339735 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1396 of 2035 🔗

No thank you

339811 ▶▶ shorthand, replying to Cheezilla, #1397 of 2035 🔗

I’m sure they were looking for a pay rise instead of some more vomit inducing virtue signalling.

Perhaps that will be the slap in the face that will make them have a well timed winter strike.

Then the Guardian can report with all honesty and sincerity that the NHS is about to break…

339825 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1398 of 2035 🔗

Oh for fuck’s sake.

339851 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1399 of 2035 🔗

Hmmm, just found the Twitter feed of Anne Marie announcing clap for carers … the subsequent comments appear to be about 99% negative. Thank flippin’ God.

339637 steve_w, 4, #1400 of 2035 🔗

just going to repeat what I saw downthread


Ivor Cummins with a great 2 minute video telling us what we all know but what might come as a surprise to others

339638 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 19, #1401 of 2035 🔗

On Talk Radio this morning Dr. John Lee, pathologist, seemed to suggest that Covid testing would give positive results for people who had been recently vaccinated.

This could produced a truly absurd situation where:

1. People (mostly very elderly and frail) are getting ill shortly after receiving the vaccination as the prompted immune response stresses their bodies.

2. They are tested for Covid and produce positive results, being listed as Covid cases even though their health has deteriorated as a result of the vaccine and they don’t have a Covid infection .

3. 1 and 2 above produce statistical spikes in “Covid” cases as reported to the public and actual hospitalisations.

4. This will simply get worse as the vaccination programme expands.

5. People like Whitty may realise what is going on. But they are too heavily committed to vaccination to admit it is making many people ill and they cannot admit the stats they are feeding the public are wrong. This might be why they are delaying the second shots because the second one is reportedly much more challenging, and so might make the situation even worse.

6. The treatment for people made ill by vaccination could be very different from that for people with genuine Covid infection…so this could be v important for health outcomes.

339645 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, 4, #1402 of 2035 🔗

The ability of the PCR to generate a positive result for any input sample is a feature, not a bug.

339647 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to OKUK, 9, #1403 of 2035 🔗

I said yesterday that I thought “cases” shot up right after the vaccinations started. A conspiratorial mind might suggest the mutant strain provided decent cover for this.

339748 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1404 of 2035 🔗

I do think that sceptics need to be wary of creating counter-hysteria. Frankly, I think it unlikely that the vaccine will unravel with deadly immediate consequences.

339651 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to OKUK, 5, #1405 of 2035 🔗

As stated in a test kit manufacturer’s paperwork:

This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

Cross-reactivity with respiratory tract organisms other than those listed in the Analytical Specificity Study may lead to erroneous results.

So it is a known problem with the the tests.

Didn’t this happen in Portugal a few months ago? Started the yearly flu jab campaign, few weeks later the positive test arte skyrocketed.

I’m watching the ONS figures to see a corresponding rise in deaths of over 70s especially in care homes and hospitals that corresponds with just after the start of the covid vaccination campaign.

339662 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1406 of 2035 🔗

Here is the statement in the CV19 consent to rapid test form from my mother’s care home:

I understand the COVID-19 test is not 100% accurate, cannot be used to rule out an infection, and a negative test does not preclude the presence of COVID-19.

That’s a lot of excess words to say, “The test is meaningless.”

339724 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1407 of 2035 🔗

No. The test isn’t ‘meaningless’. But as Kary Mullis pointed out, it requires intelligent interpretation. He was keen to point out that the flaws are in the interpretation, not the test.

339791 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1408 of 2035 🔗

So if the poor dears get a negative result, they still need to be terrified.
It doesn’t go on to say that a positive test des not guarantee the presence of covvie. That’s lying by omission.

339804 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 3, #1409 of 2035 🔗

Self perpetuating scam.Its already been done via the care homes.A chunk of the initial spike in deaths was due to the withdrawal of care after seeding them with the virus.The number of deaths that were generated were then used to keep us locked down.

339889 ▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 1, #1410 of 2035 🔗

I think the real problem with vaccinations and tests is that it will be a long while before vaccination affects positive test numbers significantly, and because the govt have chosen to measure the “crisis” mainly by positive tests there won’t be a huge difference

The point of vaccination is to keep from dying or getting seriously ill those vulnerable to covid who would otherwise live/not get seriously ill from it, but we have NO IDEA how many such people exist because THIS IS NOT BEING MEASURED – Gove himself said this

So the main benefit of vaccination WILL NOT BE SEEN

339640 Paul, replying to Paul, 16, #1411 of 2035 🔗

Some observations of the muzzled in my town today.
Everyone going to the Currys/PC World outdoor click and collect point put a mask on.
The town centre was predictably dead,but it has been for weeks anyway,perhaps only twenty five people out on the High street,twenty-four of them muzzled.
The most surreal piece of entertainment was the sight of a Police car with two muzzled muppets inside pulling over a car with two more muzzled muppets inside,the police muppets then frisked and searched the dodgy muppets on the path whilst all the other muzzled muppets looked on.

339691 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Paul, 6, #1412 of 2035 🔗

Muzzle muppet overload!!!

339697 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Paul, 2, #1413 of 2035 🔗

The most surreal piece of entertainment was the sight of a Police car with two muzzled muppets inside pulling over a car with two more muzzled muppets inside,the police muppets then frisked and searched the dodgy muppets on the path whilst all the other muzzled muppets looked on.

Thank you for that; gave Mrs C. and I a much needed laugh. 🙂

339698 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Paul, 4, #1414 of 2035 🔗

Muzzled muppets: Good name for a punk band.

339807 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1415 of 2035 🔗

These guys are spot on – http://theprivatesector.xyz/

I recommend Quarantine Age Kicks.

339721 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Paul, 7, #1416 of 2035 🔗

Just popped out to the shop, muzzled muppets everywhere, just walking down the pavement wearing em.. Crazy crazy crazy bastards.

339819 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Paul, 1, #1417 of 2035 🔗

God, sounds like something out of Black Mirror. Charlie Brooker should have a field day with the dystopia of 2020!

339643 bebophaircut, 8, #1418 of 2035 🔗

Long Live the Resistance!

339653 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #1419 of 2035 🔗

Both Prof Balloux and Alistair Hames in his Spectator article now support, in their view the last