2021-01-09

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344710 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 36, #1 of 1794 🔗

Guess I’ve got to say something important.

They say that life’s a carousel
Spinning fast, you’ve got to ride it well
The world is full of kings and queens
Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams

And they’ll tell you black is really white
The moon is just the sun at night
And when you walk in golden halls
You get to keep the gold that falls

Ronnie James Dio knew about Governments.

344714 ▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Ceriain, 11, #2 of 1794 🔗
345786 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Stephen Priest, #3 of 1794 🔗

This has probably been reported already, but the s.w.org website appears to have been blocked…

The video is still on YT (for now)…

344715 ▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Ceriain, 9, #4 of 1794 🔗

FREEDOM !!!!The Capitol Was STORMED! – Everything You Need To Know
AwakenWithJP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9XWNz0GW4

344719 ▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Ceriain, 8, #5 of 1794 🔗

Parler executive speaks out following Google app store ban, threats from Apple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNIxatQ0fKU

344711 Stephen Priest, 3, #6 of 1794 🔗
344712 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 193, #7 of 1794 🔗

My submission to the UK Joint Committee on Human Rights:

The rule of law and all human rights in the UK were effectively rescinded on 23 rd March 2020. This brief submission is therefore not an appeal for restitution, but a testimony to the irreparable damage that has been inflicted upon this nation.

Our proud tradition of civil liberties, established incrementally over 800 years since Magna Carta, has been desecrated in less than one year. We have utterly betrayed all our ancestors who fought so bravely and bitterly against forces inimical to these principles.

The UK is now an authoritarian state. Those with more than a passing interest in history will be all too familiar with the bestial and sadistic excesses that all such systems of governance have inflicted upon their citizenry. Our collective indolence, apathy and ignorance over many decades has reached its apotheosis. Complete subservience to the state, however petty or absurd might its orders be, is considered to be a virtue.

The abandonment of the principles of individual liberty and responsibility will not be without consequence. We face years, if not decades, of interminable torment as a result of our catastrophic errors of judgement. All those who believe that by following the orders of the state without question they are attaining utilitarian ends are sorely mistaken. The excruciating agonies that await them and their descendants are unfathomable.

Freedom is more important than life itself, because life without freedom is slavery, and is not worth living.

344722 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 60, #8 of 1794 🔗

Congratulations on your fervent eloquence. I hope it nay penetrate at least one of their concrete skulls.
Human rights? What are they?A committee to safeguard them? What a laugh.

344727 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Annie, 33, #9 of 1794 🔗

I know, I wanted to mock this committee for being completely superfluous but it was pointless to do so. They will already know this. Somebody in the Civil Service will skim read it and then click delete.

344738 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 31, #10 of 1794 🔗

It was still worth doing. Pity you weren’t an illegal immigrant tweeting from a lilo in the middle of the English Channel.

345132 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to Annie, 20, #11 of 1794 🔗

On the upside, a lilo in the Channel is one of the few places the ‘national lockdown’ does not apply.
From SI 2021 No 8 The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 3) and (All Tiers) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2021…
“Every area of England, apart from the territorial waters adjacent to England and the airspace above England and those territorial waters, is within the Tier 4 area.”

So get yourself on a boat in Bournemouth and it’s party-time because lockdown doesn’t apply.

345501 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 8, #12 of 1794 🔗

Does this mean the elite are having parties in the sky and on the seas?

345580 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 6, #13 of 1794 🔗

Very well researched Mr Taxpayer

344774 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Richard O, 17, #14 of 1794 🔗

Magnificent comrade. I have copied it and will send it to many including my 6 grandkids.

344803 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bungle, 21, #15 of 1794 🔗

It’s their future that is being destroyed, not ours, so the urgency to provide them with some real coordinates is paramount. Lose them to the cult and we are finished.

344822 ▶▶ New name old face, replying to Richard O, 6, #16 of 1794 🔗

🙏

344873 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richard O, 11, #17 of 1794 🔗

Well said!!!! If we don’t fight back now, the kiddies will never forgive us.

344974 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #18 of 1794 🔗

Add Richard’s submission, or succinct parts thereof, to leaflets, pamphlets and stickers. Distribute them while you are ‘exercising’ in places where you are not known.

345978 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Richard O, 1, #19 of 1794 🔗

Brilliantly written!

344713 Stephen Priest, replying to Stephen Priest, 6, #20 of 1794 🔗

The Capitol Was STORMED! – Everything You Need To Know
AwakenWithJP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9XWNz0GW4

344953 ▶▶ iane, replying to Stephen Priest, 3, #21 of 1794 🔗

His best that I have seen. Just when will our media look at things sanely?

344716 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 55, #22 of 1794 🔗

OK, free folk. Im back and I’ve changed my tune. Because when the facts change, I change my mind.

I’m with you. The Capitol incident WAS the Reichstag Fire. No accident that security was so “lax” and no anomaly that at least one prominent BLM extremist was photographed among the “invaders”.

It is now (many of you would say “finally”) abundantly clear to me that this is not incompetence. Whether through opportunism or through careful planning, a new regime is being installed across the world that does not respect liberty. And we need to fight it.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/07/the-storming-of-the-capitol-americas-reichstag-fire/

344750 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #23 of 1794 🔗

Welcome back NorthumbrianNomad

344796 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 15, #24 of 1794 🔗

A-women to that. (See JP’s broadcast, linked earlier).

344829 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #25 of 1794 🔗

A-llamas from me too

346519 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #26 of 1794 🔗

Winamp, it really kicks the llama’s ass.

345543 ▶▶ Leaky, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #27 of 1794 🔗

Welcome back!
I have a sense that this evil regime is beginning to feel some discomfort. They have lost the trust and support from a growing number of its citizens and the lies and misinformation are beginning to be laid bare. The wall-to-wall ‘PR Blitz’ is a sure signal that they fear that the tide is turning against them.
Now, it’s our time to turn the screws…

346444 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #28 of 1794 🔗

Can you pass your message on to Peter Hitchens and Toby, please? It’s taking some time, but hopefully we’ll get there.

346518 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #29 of 1794 🔗

Reichstag fire? Pfttt!

344717 Ceriain, 54, #30 of 1794 🔗

2 more things before I go for some sleep. From the first story above:

Ministers are increasingly concerned about compliance with the lockdown but believe there are few additional major options left to tighten the restrictions any further.

“There’s not a lot more that we can do,” said a Government source. “We’ve put in these very tough
national restrictions. It is a lockdown for everyone all the time.” The source stressed that the focus now was on persuading the public to obey the current rules.

Heavier-handed enforcement remains a lever the Government could pull, however.

Curfews coming, folks.

West Mercia Police said snowball fights were not a justifiable reason for people to leave their homes during lockdown.

They wrote on Twitter: “There have been two reports of snowballs being thrown last night between 11 and 11.30pm. This is obviously not a justifiable reason to be out of your house, this behaviour is likely to result in a £200 Fixed Penalty Notice for breaking the lockdown rules.”

Arseholes!

Night all. 🙂

344720 Stephen Priest, replying to Stephen Priest, 3, #31 of 1794 🔗

Parler executive speaks out following Google app store ban, threats from Apple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNIxatQ0fKU

346520 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Stephen Priest, 1, #32 of 1794 🔗

I just uninstalled all my Apple apps. Don’t trust them.

344721 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 102, #33 of 1794 🔗

the Police Scotland story is – well, disgraceful doesn’t cover it, I am afraid. Some newspapers refer to two women and a man being charged. Others refer to there being two adults and two children in the house. It seems that it was the seriously ill girl – likely a teenager – who were charged. The teenage girl was charged after having had a seizure.

This is totally indefensible and if the police continue to behave in this way I don’t see how compliance with any request they make can be defended.

I am not an anarchist. We need law and order. However, law and order in a liberal democracy is a two way thing.

344723 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Londo Mollari, 67, #34 of 1794 🔗

Except that we are no longer living in a liberal democracy, in which case there is only one way. The state tells us what to do, and if we don’t comply it sends its hired thugs to force us to comply. This is the natural order of things in an authoritarian system.

344729 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 41, #35 of 1794 🔗

In that case it is our moral duty not to comply.

345069 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 16, #36 of 1794 🔗

Yes, resistance is now vital and is not optional.

344730 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Richard O, 27, #37 of 1794 🔗

In that case, prepare to defend yourselves with whatever means you have available. Throwing a snowball or having a seizure is henceforth a criminal offence.

344733 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #38 of 1794 🔗

A meagre selection of hardware tools is about the best I can muster. That and my humanity.

344736 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Richard O, 10, #39 of 1794 🔗

Hardware tools is what Sozhenitsyn referred to in his quote, “How we burned in the camps . . “

345725 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #40 of 1794 🔗

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

345078 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #41 of 1794 🔗

Also going for a walk five miles from home and a trip to Macdonalds

345572 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #42 of 1794 🔗

Drive Thru only @ MacyDs I’m afraid.
Cowardly corporate cowards on par with Thiesen in Hitlers Germany.

346521 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Londo Mollari, #43 of 1794 🔗

When I was young I had Grand Mal seizures while asleep.

344724 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 29, #44 of 1794 🔗

Whoever said any part of Britain now bears the slightest resemblance to a liberal democracy?

344831 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Annie, 6, #45 of 1794 🔗

If the German Democratic Republic is the model, then we do. GBDR

344902 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 7, #46 of 1794 🔗

We should change our name to the Democratic People’s Republic of Britain

345578 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #47 of 1794 🔗

The United Kingdom of England and bit of Ireland doesn’t really work does it ?

345807 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 2, #48 of 1794 🔗

No it doesn’t and doesn’t really reflect where we are now sadly.

344884 ▶▶ Marg, replying to Londo Mollari, 33, #49 of 1794 🔗

The snitches should hang their heads in shame. These things will come out in time

345155 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Marg, 8, #50 of 1794 🔗

They’d better bloody beware! What goes around, COMES around!

345781 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Marg, #51 of 1794 🔗

I hate my neighbours horrid ignorant people a nurse and a screw also one kids a nurse they have never obeyed lock down shit good on them. I would never call the pigs.

344900 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Londo Mollari, 20, #52 of 1794 🔗

The snitchers should be made aware of what happened to their counterparts in France after WW2 and Germany after reunification.

Hint: it wasn’t pretty.

344989 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #53 of 1794 🔗

At least the female French collaborators in WW2 got a hair cut. That’s more than we can.

345617 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #54 of 1794 🔗

Some people will do ANYTHING to get their hair cut in times like these /s

345804 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richy_m_99, #55 of 1794 🔗

Whether they liked the style or not is open to question.

345771 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Londo Mollari, #56 of 1794 🔗

They deserve to die Stasi pigs

346447 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #57 of 1794 🔗

Change the ethnicity of this family to anything other than Caucasian and it would have lit the cold dark sky with MSM outrage. As it is…. (fill in the silence)

344725 Annie, replying to Annie, 38, #58 of 1794 🔗

Grit teeth.Vow never to surrender. Carry on.

345074 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, 4, #59 of 1794 🔗

Resistance is vital, compliance should be punished.

344726 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #60 of 1794 🔗

Vaccine dissidents are to be hunted down by 77th Brigade. One 77th reservist worked for – surprise, surprise – Twitter. https://freewestmedia.com/2020/12/05/british-military-declares-war-on-vaccine-opponents/?fbclid=IwAR3G7_lNPEUX4vS3qAQMZjr3Mj3Ln6T53khcDaBtHIN84A9GP3oJ2sh7JCY

344732 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Londo Mollari, 17, #61 of 1794 🔗

I’m up for it, will be like going to war against the brownies,

345028 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Cecil B, 1, #62 of 1794 🔗

We get to eat the enemy? Count me in.

344728 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #63 of 1794 🔗

Unless you want to become a ‘medical emergency’ (if you know what I mean) don’t you even dare think about going out in the fresh air today

344799 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cecil B, 7, #64 of 1794 🔗

Just off for my weekly five mile.

345120 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cecil B, 46, #65 of 1794 🔗

I’ve already been with the dog for half an hour and we’re now off for our usual two hour romp. We’ll be going out again a couple more times later in the day and we haven’t deviated from our fresh air schedule all the way through the fake pandemic. I’m 75 next month and have never worn a mask, never socially distanced, never taken a vaccine since 1964, never clapped the woeful NHS and never will.

345200 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Rowan, 6, #66 of 1794 🔗

Go you 🙂 I wish my partner’s kids (16/19 respectively, iPhone gen and hopelessly brainwashed) had even an ounce the stamina you did

345700 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Pebbles, 3, #67 of 1794 🔗

It’a as much about being an awkward old git, as anything else, though of course the dog has a very big say in what we do.

345792 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Rowan, 6, #68 of 1794 🔗

I’ve also not deviated from my going out in the fresh air and getting plenty of exercise since this charade started. I’m certainly not going to make myself unhealthy, unfit and dependant on the NHS by lounging about in a chair indoors. I also don’t wear a mask, refused the flu vaccine when I worked for the NHS and certainly won’t be clapping for them.

345908 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to fiery, 1, #69 of 1794 🔗

Keep up the good work.

346088 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Rowan, #70 of 1794 🔗

Good on yer!

345126 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Cecil B, 9, #71 of 1794 🔗

I am aiming to cycle 15 miles. FIGHT ME BORIS!

345164 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Cecil B, 5, #72 of 1794 🔗

I’m going stir-crazy from being in-doors. I’m going out shortly. Hopefully all the coronaphobes have been terrified into complete submission, and ain’t going out at all. I’ll have the streets to myself.

345559 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to HelenaHancart, 3, #73 of 1794 🔗

Don’t worry about it, local shopping precinct car park is jammed full as is Sainsbury’s.
This time last March April they would have been like Xmas day.

344731 Annie, replying to Annie, 21, #74 of 1794 🔗

It’s an ill wind, as they say:

“…councils are urging people to remain vigilant against a new coronavirus-related scam which sees criminals calling or texting to offer a vaccination at a cost.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55598918

Criminals offering a vaxx for mere money, when the Notional Hell Service can offer you one that may cost you your life!? Tut tut.

346005 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, #75 of 1794 🔗

Adding daylight robbery to injury!

344734 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 24, #76 of 1794 🔗

I have noticed that every time the Telegraph, Guardian, Sky News or any other mainstream media outlet puts out a video on Youtube regarding Covid or Lockdown the number of dislikes vastly outnumbers the number of likes by a multiple of at least two.

This may be a good indicator of public mood as Youtube is a bit like Facebook. It is more mainstream than other platforms such as Bitchute, and likes/dislikes are anonymous, at least to other users.

344744 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 19, #77 of 1794 🔗

Latest Daily Mail YT video – featuring Genghis of London – has 939 dislikes to 69 likes.

344797 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #78 of 1794 🔗

Great comments too

345784 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #79 of 1794 🔗

Another cunt who needs killing

344861 ▶▶ Markus Skepticus, replying to Londo Mollari, 22, #80 of 1794 🔗

Exactly. The Sadiq Khan video posted on The Sun’s channel has 1000 thumbs up to 4,500 thumbs down.

It’s little pieces of data like that that put the official government polls suggesting overwhelming support for lockdown into doubt.

345709 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Markus Skepticus, 2, #81 of 1794 🔗

The government lies about nearly everything else, so why would the polls be an exception?

345173 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #82 of 1794 🔗

Yes, I’ve noticed that, too! Excellent! And the comments are totally disparaging as well.

345793 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to HelenaHancart, #83 of 1794 🔗

My MP Lee Anderson a labour cunt traitor to the tories for money sent an email out before latest lock down to reply yes or no and said his vote was because 80% voted lock everybody I know voted NO and the cunt blocked me on facetwat for asking pertinent questions. Hope he knocks on my door..

344735 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 83, #84 of 1794 🔗

More about the dreadful case of the women fined for taking a walk with a hot drink. Not only evil, but crazy as walking helps keep people healthy and sane. And when was a drink a picnic? I hate this police state we are living in.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55594244

344737 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 27, #85 of 1794 🔗

Now I wonder why no comments are allowed…?

345204 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, 10, #86 of 1794 🔗

It’s the BBC, only Bill Gates is allowed to post comments.

344746 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 50, #87 of 1794 🔗

I am not aware of any evidence that Sars-Cov2 spreads outdoors? is there any? everything I have read suggests it spreads in intensive indoor settings. It does also seem to depend on where you live we go wandering about in the boondocks of North Devon for hours with our flask and our sandwiches see a few people now and again stop and have a chat, rarely ever see a police officer.
All this nonsense about being outside seems a measure of the increasing frustration of the powers that be that they cannot control this virus any more than they can control the tide, the wind or the rain. It is as if Canute got so cross that he could not stop the tide that he locked down all his people until the tide obeyed him.

Also, I note that these ladies were not actually fined they were issued with a fixed penalty notice which is not a fine. I feel the Police and the authorities are misrepresenting what a Fixed Penalty Notice actually is. As far as I can see it is when a Police Officer thinks you may have committed and offence they make you an offer of a FPN in lieu of a prosecution and possibly a larger fine. It is up to you whether you accept the offer of a FPN or reject it and opt for a Magistrates Court Summons. In this particular case I would have thought it would be well worth rejecting the FPN which would force the Police and the CPS to construct the paperwork for a summons to appear in a Magistrates court.

344749 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #88 of 1794 🔗

I think the lady actually said she only accepted the FPN because she was so taken back at all the Plod being there just for her and her friend and their two cups of tea.

344763 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Steve Martindale, 41, #89 of 1794 🔗

I believe outdoor transmission is very rare indeed so they should encourage people to get out in the fresh air. That fact made me sceptical of lockdowns from the start for as a child every common cold made me seriously ill. My parents were encouraged to take me outdoors as much as possible by the doctors treating as outdoors was safe for me they said. Derbyshire Police were over the top during the first lockdown too.

344800 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 22, #90 of 1794 🔗

My mum trained as a nurse in London during WW2, if I ever got a sniffle she chucked me in the garden for the sunshine and fresh air.

345068 ▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to karenovirus, 19, #91 of 1794 🔗

Sunshine and fresh air is good for coping with lung/throat infections. It seems like all previous thinking and proven treatments have been thrown out of the window. Truth is we are looking at mass insanity.

345715 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 3, #92 of 1794 🔗

Or more likely, mass genocide.

344922 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 56, #93 of 1794 🔗

Isn’t the whole point of being outdoors is for our physical and mental health as well as try to get as much Vitamin D which is problematic during this time of the year?

This has long convinced me that this was never about health. If this was genuinely about health, the NHS posters would have been all about healthy eating, exercising, getting as much Vitamin D as possible, taking care of mental health as well as resurrecting those “catch in, bin it, kill it” adverts.

Instead the government is perpetuating a large scale Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy to this country and for this they should pay for the lives they’ve destroyed.

345024 ▶▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Bart Simpson, 26, #94 of 1794 🔗

100%. Not a single utterance about improving one’s immune system in over 9 months.

345071 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Templeton, 13, #95 of 1794 🔗

Completely agree, the immune system is your best defence

345727 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 6, #96 of 1794 🔗

Vitamin D works against flu, so it will work against the rebranded flu, also known as Covid-19.

345907 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Rowan, 2, #97 of 1794 🔗

Indeed. The government have got to keep the panic up, they are so deep in the sewage

345336 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Templeton, 12, #98 of 1794 🔗

But plenty of policies guaranteed to weaken immune systems!

345811 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Templeton, 3, #99 of 1794 🔗

Exactly. Most odd.

Whatever happened to common sense and “prevention is better than the cure”?

345849 ▶▶▶▶▶ HobbyGobbyGold, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #100 of 1794 🔗

All seconded Bart – I’ve asked my MP why the government hasn’t advised everyone to take cheap, non-prescription Vits. C & D and Zinc supplements which have long been known to improve immunity, and are particularly recommended as prophylactic treatments against Covid [ref: On the Treatment of Covid-19 – Swiss Policy Research (swprs.org) ]. Answer comes there none …. tumbleweed.
The problem is that they make no money for big-pharma.

345195 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 16, #101 of 1794 🔗

The Chief Constable of Derbyshire police clearly has a slate loose and he should be relieved of command forthwith.

345913 ▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Rowan, 1, #102 of 1794 🔗

Might be time for another mass tresspass on the Peak District, that might just blow the police’s head.

346097 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #103 of 1794 🔗

It’s dangerous to go walking in the fresh air, but even more dangerous to sit in your house without opening all the windows to let in the fresh air, even if the temperature is below zero.
And you are much more likely to spread the bug in the open Deebyshire countryside than down your own narrow street of small terraced houses.

345197 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #104 of 1794 🔗

I’ve yet to see any plod in my town. One weary-looking PCSO walks around but she’s been a mainstay of the area for a number of years. The park is always packed these days. I take a snack and a hot drink on my walks sometimes, totally uninterrupted by state officialdom. Most of of the fear-mongering crap is pure propaganda designed to terrorise. Don’t feel intimidated, but don’t draw attention to yourself. Be sensible. Keep your wits about you. Live as freely as you can. Get your fresh air and exercise – even bloody prisoners have this right! Don’t be pulled down into their dark timeline.

345399 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to HelenaHancart, 3, #105 of 1794 🔗

I live quite near Derby Police Station. I often see or hear police vehicles in the area but rarely see any officers on foot, except in the summer when their duties sometimes require them to take a pleasant stroll in the sunshine.

345699 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #106 of 1794 🔗

It is vital that those two women refuse to pay and challenge this filth. The Derbyshire filth have form (as we know) for this sort of thing.

346001 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to RichardJames, 3, #107 of 1794 🔗

And then they wonder why people despise them!

344807 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 24, #108 of 1794 🔗

I am going to walk my dogs out to Foremarke reservoir this morning, I might take an empty coffee cup for the craic!?!?

345201 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 10, #109 of 1794 🔗

Refuse to pay anything along these lines. Case would be laughed out of court even in these strange times. As has been said before Derbyshire police are on a different level to most and the Chief Constable is clearly not up to the job. Time for an unceremonious sacking.

345402 ▶▶ tarfu, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #110 of 1794 🔗

As a Derby resident, I know Foremark Reservoir well; a nice place not too far out of the city in which to take a walk. I see from the BBC News website that “new national guidelines” have been issued to the police, so perhaps the police federation have quickly realised the stupidity of their actions
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55594244

344739 PatrickF, 68, #111 of 1794 🔗

Coronavirus. If you go out, you can spread scepticism. People will live.

344740 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 44, #112 of 1794 🔗

It’s a brave decision to front an advertising campaign with a withered husk like whitty

344758 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 29, #113 of 1794 🔗

I wonder if they’ll wheel out the ‘Don’t die of ignorance’ thing from the 80s. That tombstone and polystyrene iceberg must be lurking around somewhere. Just need to get a bunch of lillies from a garage forecourt and they’re good to go.

344775 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 10, #114 of 1794 🔗

As it fell, that tombstone destroyed the youth of a whole generation. And I’m not talking about the unfortunates who got HIV.

344813 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #115 of 1794 🔗

The was an anti heroin drugs poster campaign featuring a callow youth slumped on the pavement against a brick wall.
The sponsors were sort of delighted that the posters kept being removed thinking they were being used for private contemplation.

Eventually they discovered that teenage girls were adorning their bedrooms with them because they thought he looked sexy.

344896 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 4, #116 of 1794 🔗

Private contemplation of a sort, then.

345017 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 1, #117 of 1794 🔗

Remember “Zammo” from Grange Hill. He was an icon, an inspiration to millions!

345212 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Two-Six, 5, #118 of 1794 🔗

Irvine Welsh. We live among the Trainspotting Generation in Scotland. Trainspotting hit people in late teens now those impressionable young people with 20 years of hard drugs behind them – bodies failing to death.

345538 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 1, #119 of 1794 🔗

A bit after my time, it was flippin ‘eck Tucker and Trish for my generation.

344808 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 3, #120 of 1794 🔗

They’ve got plenty to rehash

344897 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to kh1485, 11, #121 of 1794 🔗

When I was 11-ish, 12-ish, I sometimes lay awake in fear at night because of the twin prospects of death in a nuclear holocaust or death from AIDS. Lots of children’s novels inculcated the first view, then the government made a powerful play for my terror with that polystyrene iceberg.

344741 Cecil B, 18, #122 of 1794 🔗

I know the BBC are renowned for their repeats but this is going over the top

The silence of the lambs

Every Thursday 8pm until the end of time

344742 Thomasina, replying to Thomasina, 28, #123 of 1794 🔗

I find it interesting that cheap anti-parasitic drugs are KNOWN to be effective in treating Cv19. Malaria and parasitic worming treatments that have in fact been around for decades yet Governments take no notice when informed of their effectiveness in fact bizarrely move to ban them. Ivermectin is the latest – banned in South Africa. Didnt Fauci want to ban or even ban Chloroquine in America?

344776 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Thomasina, 24, #124 of 1794 🔗

Ivermectin BANNED? But it’s just been proven to virtually eliminate the chance of developing severe symptoms. Whoever banned it has blood on their hands. (I’m quite enjoying the “two can play at that game” thing.)

345131 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #125 of 1794 🔗

How can you ban it? It got rid of my children’s Barbados sand worms (worms in the feet – very itchy)

345172 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to sophie123, 3, #126 of 1794 🔗

An example of the fabricated reality.

Medicine is not about human kinds all out push to continually care and save life.

Quite large implications in that last sentence.

345752 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Basics, 2, #127 of 1794 🔗

Vaccines are about profit without liability and of course depopulation.

345750 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #128 of 1794 🔗

They got so much blood on their hands already that more won’t cause them to lose a wink of sleep.

345926 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #129 of 1794 🔗

It was reinstated in the US soon AFTER the vaccine(s) was (were) approved.

345859 ▶▶ HobbyGobbyGold, replying to Thomasina, #130 of 1794 🔗

Government / big pharma not interested in out-of-patent remedies …. minimal profit.

345922 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Thomasina, 3, #131 of 1794 🔗

HCQ was removed from over-the-counter availability in France in FEBRUARY.

344743 Sceptical Steve, replying to Sceptical Steve, 21, #132 of 1794 🔗

I’m guessing that the story about the relatively simple solution to the Oxygen supply issues omits the salient fact that the hospitals don’t own the Oxygen tanks and infrastructure. The hospital management naturally wouldn’t feel it appropriate to spray water on equipment owned by a third party supplier. The real culprits will be whoever drafted the Oxygen supply contract for failing to ensure that the suppliers were obliged to respond immediately when demand exceeded the notional capacity of the installation had been exceeded.

344958 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Sceptical Steve, 13, #133 of 1794 🔗

If people are dying, you go out with your watering can and water the outside of the machine if that’s what it takes. Let the owner of the machine sue later if they want that publicity.

At least, that’s what you do if you’re sane and you actually give a shit.

345042 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Ovis, 1, #134 of 1794 🔗

I think I saw that episode of the Simpsons, the one where Homer Simpson thnks it would be a good idea to splash some water on the oxygen equipment, trips the plant and kills everyone in the ICU…

345566 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Sceptical Steve, #135 of 1794 🔗

Sounds like a cracker.

344745 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 19, #136 of 1794 🔗

Tighter restrictions. Time to shoot lockdown breakers? The ultimate sanction. I wouldn’t be surprised if that option is being discussed.

344781 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to PatrickF, 41, #137 of 1794 🔗

It’s been done in a number of countries already. Here’s Ferguson, from an interview in February 2022: “I think people’s sense of what is possible in terms of control changed quite dramatically between January and March 2021. When we observed the innovative intervention in the Philippines and Nigeria, of shooting to kill or maim lockdown breakers, we presumed it would not be an available option in a liberal western democracy. These are corrupt, tinpot dictatorships run by tiny oligarchic elites, we said. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe. Then we thought, oh, hang on, we’re now a corrupt, tinpot dictatorship run by a tiny, oligarchic elite. And we realised we could.”

344795 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #138 of 1794 🔗

Hey, Cassandra, have you had an attack of optimism or something?
Nice to see you back, NN!

344806 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 43, #139 of 1794 🔗

Thank you, Annie. The gathering avalanche of attacks on freedom over the past few days has convinced me of the seriousness of the situation and, whatever my personal feelings may be, I feel duty-bound to at least keep expressing myself. There’s not much else I can do out here. I must confess I had become a bit lost in a forest of graphs and I was finding all the speculation a bit dispiriting. But the moment one realizes, as Thebigman put it in a post here today, that this is not about a virus, one’s vision clears. I’m sorry for the people who are ill in London (and everywhere else, and whether they’re suffering from covid or cancer or MS or tsutsugumushi fever), but Khan’s “major incident” is irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. Liberty is being extinguished and totalitarianism imposed. “What would you do if the Russians invaded?” my father asked my mother and me in the 1980s. I was a child and replied that I’d run away. My mother agreed. My father said, “I’d stay and fight them.”

Well, they’re here, and they aren’t Russians. They’re neighbours and friends, public servants and public officials. And we have to fight them.

345872 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #140 of 1794 🔗

Yes, we’ve had to grasp a very nasty nettle. The Johnson government, working under oligarchic direction, is waging a vicious war on the British people. No Russians required, as you say.

Those junior public officials, your neighbours and perhaps your soon to be ex-friends are part of the vast army of collaborators, who mostly rather unwittingly have become an existential threat both to themselves and everyone else.

My eighty year old brother, rang on Thursday night and rather excitedly told me that he had been given a time for his Covid vaccination. He has mild dementia and so had totally forgotten my views on this vexing topic. I suggested he should reconsider vaccination and briefly listed the cons, there being no pros. He said nothing and I could almost feel his disappointment as the phone then went dead. His wife is an avid vaccinator and there’s not much more I can do. My brother is like a lamb to the slaughter and he now sees me as the enemy, most perplexing.

344815 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 16, #141 of 1794 🔗

First thing they think of now is’can we get away with it’.
Even Hitler had to back off with his eugenics programme when people protested against the killing of people with mild physical deformities but who were ‘proper Germans’.

345377 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #142 of 1794 🔗

Keira Starmer would be complaining shooting people doesn’t go far enough.

345409 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #143 of 1794 🔗

And the deaths by shooting would be accounted on the Covid side to increase the numbers.

344907 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to PatrickF, 2, #144 of 1794 🔗

In 2021 that wouldn’t work -too many namby pampys . However the stocks or ducking stool might be ok.

344747 Teebs, replying to Teebs, 36, #145 of 1794 🔗

I wish to declare a Major Incident in London:

Sadiq Khan has lost the plot.

344755 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Teebs, 27, #146 of 1794 🔗

As ever in this virus hoo-haa it is difficult to get a clear picture of the data, looking at the London hospital situation there are lots of predictions of shortfalls and %s but I found it hard no get precise figures on actual capacity compared to population.
As best I could come up with there is one Londoner in a hospital ICU bed for every 5000 people, plenty on this site are better at data than me, so please feel free to correct me. However, if that is correct then it is no wonder people in London do not feel the need to quiver in terrot and obey all these rules. If you live in an area of London with 5000 people and you hear that old Mr Jones up the road is in an ICU bed but the other 4999 people in your area are perfectly OK you would not be inclined to bat an eyelid and feel that life should carry on as normal.
If you work in the local hospital and Mr Jones is in a queue for treatment then you are under pressure and declare a crisis.
The crisis seems to be that the NHS has a low capacity, poor emergency planning and despite its huge resources seems to be incapable of deploying staff and resources and moving patients to balance demand.

346071 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #147 of 1794 🔗

A friend’s husband has been suffering most of last year with gastrointestinal issues and swallowing problems. The GP eventually and very reluctantly referred him in July and was seen in September where was further referred for endoscopy, which was scheduled for early November. The endoscopy was then cancelled and no new date offered. Early in the new year he became very unwell and couldn’t swallow at all. The GP sent him direct to hospital where he was tested for Covid, which was negative and he was then admitted.

The next day he was found Covid positive and was immediately transferred to another hospital, which has told the family that nothing further would be done for him. There has been no investigation of his original complaint and now he is just another sixty something DNR, waiting his turn to die of “ Covid-19″.

346102 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Rowan, 3, #148 of 1794 🔗

That’s just horrible.
Send the details to Simon Dolan.

THERE WILL BE A RECKONING. The NHS trial at Nuremberg 2. I shall clap when the ringleaders are led out for execution.

344791 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Teebs, 16, #149 of 1794 🔗

Sadist Khan. Genghis with all the nice bits left out.

344924 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Annie, 10, #150 of 1794 🔗

Even though he was a butcher, Genghis Khan was intelligent, capable, and innovative – you sully him by linking him to that worm Sadiq Khan.

346104 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jb12, #151 of 1794 🔗

Sorry, Genghis.

344751 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 131, #152 of 1794 🔗

Head teachers apoplectic over parents desperate to send their kids to school, the public clearly not terrified enough by the “mutant strain”

Police acting like jumped up little fascists, harassing the thousands of us who aren’t heeding the warning to “stay at home”

Deadly silence filling the evening air instead of applause for the NHS

The government in a tailspin because they can see with their own eyes that the game is up – hence the ratcheting up of emotive propaganda to try and desperately buy our compliance. Chris Whitty is shitting himself – he knows his plan has failed

Ignore the polls, ignore the masks, ignore the Facebook shrieking. Everything I’ve mentioned above tells you that your average Joe is done with this scam. We are reaching herd immunity from Project Fear, people just want to live. The government know it, the public know it, only a matter of time before the whole thing lurches off a cliff, taking down the fascist oppressors with it.

344756 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Scotty87, 59, #153 of 1794 🔗

‘The school is rammed with pupils’ is a very odd complaint from a headmaster.

344772 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 25, #154 of 1794 🔗

Probably hates the “little bastards”.

344787 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 25, #155 of 1794 🔗

Yes, that phrase really struck home.
Shops full of shoppers are equally dreadful…

345064 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Annie, 7, #156 of 1794 🔗

Watch the Yes minister episode ‘The compassionate society’
It sums up the public sectors attitude to the general public

345400 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #157 of 1794 🔗

Well known public sector behaviour:
Teachers hate pupils and parents.
GPs hate patients.
GP receptionists reallly hate patients.
Police hate public.
Planners hate house occupiers
It’s almost as if they’re trying to tell us something.

345915 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #158 of 1794 🔗

Even our elected representatives hate us.

Memo to the public sector and government: the feeling is mutual.

345645 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Annie, 3, #159 of 1794 🔗

And don’t even start me on those malicious people in libraries going around messing up all those carefully ordered books …

344909 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 13, #160 of 1794 🔗

And we would have got away with it if it wasn’t for you pesky kids!!

344760 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Scotty87, 29, #161 of 1794 🔗

‘Hoisted on their own petard’ as far as I can see with my rough and ready maths the dodgy testing programme has now told about 3 million people that have had Covid but are perfectly OK. The have carried out about 56 million PCR tests so a lot of people despite having some symptoms will have been told they are -ve for SARS-Cov2. How can you expect all those people who have been through this dodgy testing programme and are currently perfectly healthy, to be afraid of the virus?

344789 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #162 of 1794 🔗

I don’t I think they are afraid of the virus. I think they’re afraid of Fear, in a never-ending spiral that culminates when they disappear up their own backsides.

345033 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Scotty87, 7, #163 of 1794 🔗

Yer lets burn these bastards down! They are losing their grip.

345081 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Scotty87, 9, #164 of 1794 🔗

Exactly, I can just feel the dam creaking now, just a few more bouncing bombs needed to breach it.

345119 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Scotty87, 18, #165 of 1794 🔗

Yes, i thought this point was approaching a couple of days ago when the propaganda became positively shrill – and thus off-putting to a lot of normal decent people who had been more-or-less obeying until now. The doctor blaming ordinary people for having ‘blood on their hands’ may turn out to have been the psychological turning point, though there is still a long way to go.

345420 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to redbirdpete, 10, #166 of 1794 🔗

That was the Dr (Professor Hugh Montgomery) who formed a medical supplies company called Panthair Ltd, in January 2020- ‘medical supplies’ include PPE.
Can you say screaming hypocrisy.

346171 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #167 of 1794 🔗

Has Dr Hugh been on a trip to the Caribbean with Bill Gates and a few pals.

345919 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 5, #168 of 1794 🔗

Well said. Don’t forget that more redundancies and bankruptcies are in the pipeline and I suspect that’s waking more people up. Especially if their jobs, businesses and savings are on the line.

345928 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #169 of 1794 🔗

As soon as the lockdown rubbish starts hitting people in the pocket they wake up, as I always thought they would.

344752 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 40, #170 of 1794 🔗

Have you figured it out yet? The penny dropped?

Repeat after me….

THIS DEVASTATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A VIRUS!

Repeat allowed till you wake up.

344753 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to TheBigman, 5, #171 of 1794 🔗

Yes, I have figured it out. Call me slow-witted.

344840 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to TheBigman, 7, #172 of 1794 🔗

I crossed the Rubicon several weeks ago. Very dark moment. But it’s so obvious now, especially with recent fear campaign ramping and Capitol Hill stunts.

345079 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheBigman, 2, #173 of 1794 🔗

Yep, in May

345647 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to TheBigman, 3, #174 of 1794 🔗

It never has been about the virus. It is all about money and power.

345921 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TheBigman, 1, #175 of 1794 🔗

We should get people to write it on the board ala Bart Simpson in those opening credits.

Should be written 100,000 times.

344754 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 65, #176 of 1794 🔗

Chris Whitty, in that latest release from the Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda, tells us to “act as if we’ve got it”.

Oh, we’ve got it all right. Are you scared yet, you jumped-up little croaking toad? You should be.

344757 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #177 of 1794 🔗

He reminds me of Goebbels right to the very end urging Germans to rally to the fatherland, promising final victory with the Red Army at the gates of Berlin.
The only thing worth fighting for was stalling the Russians in the hope of being conquered by the Western Allies first.

344784 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 13, #178 of 1794 🔗

Goebbels and his wife poisoned their six children and then themselves.
Has Shitty any children? If do, I’d advise them to get out fast.

344842 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Annie, 5, #179 of 1794 🔗

Excellent. Also, Shitty is my favourite handle for Witless

345449 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, 4, #180 of 1794 🔗

Has a sad little man like Shitty even got any friends? I doubt it. Family seems even more unlikely.

345659 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #181 of 1794 🔗

Back in the days, he publicly stated that the virus is harmless to the great majority of people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg

To me, the honourable position would have been to resign, given his advice was not only ignored, but inverted. However, B&MG donate a load of money to his real interest – malaria research. As always, he who pays the piper calls the tune.

344761 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 99, #182 of 1794 🔗

Show as many adverts of elderly people taking their last breaths as you want. Old and sick people have been dying of respiratory illnesses since time immemorial – it’s very sad, but this is life and it’s no different today.

No, I can not pass on a virus if I am showing no symptoms of sickness. I will not be kowtowing to any policies restricting my life and freedoms based on this pseudoscientific nonsense. Beg all you want Whitty – I won’t listen. Your reputation is in the gutter.

344765 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Scotty87, 40, #183 of 1794 🔗

Pity they don’t give a shit about all those who die of sepsis …

345103 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to kh1485, 18, #184 of 1794 🔗

Or COPD, asthma, pneumonia, seasonal flu/cold or lung/throat trouble brought on by mask wearing. Covid-19 is the only disease we have now!

344809 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Scotty87, 11, #185 of 1794 🔗

When I first started teaching Research Methods to doctoral students, Whitty was in nappies!!!

345040 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bungle, 10, #186 of 1794 🔗

He probably still is.

345051 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 10, #187 of 1794 🔗

Face nappies yes

346111 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CGL, 2, #188 of 1794 🔗

Both ends.

345098 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Scotty87, 4, #189 of 1794 🔗

Couldn’t have put it better myself!

345309 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Scotty87, 12, #190 of 1794 🔗

will the FearPorn ads be ‘inclusive’, showing, like any given advert these days, an enormous over-representation of non-whites (in this case, suffering)?

345432 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Scotty87, 8, #191 of 1794 🔗

Watching any very elderly person die is not nice, whatever they are dying of. Both my parents died in hospital and were treated with dignity. But its a horrible process to watch. I’m very sceptical of this TV fear porn.

344764 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #192 of 1794 🔗

The way to beat the dictatorship is humour

‘Did you hear the one about a bat who walks into a bar?

No?

Anyway this bat walks into a bar and says

Landlord, landlord, a pint of your finest real ale and a scotch egg please

The landlord places the pint and the scotch egg on the bar and the bat pays him

The bat drinks the pint down in one and then exits the pub leaving the uneaten scotch egg on the bar’

Waddaya mean that’s not funny

344782 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #193 of 1794 🔗

The same Scotch egg having already done duty for a fortnight.

345026 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Annie, 3, #194 of 1794 🔗

I used to drink in a pub which had an ancient crumpet nailed to a beam. Was it left over from the Black Death?

345178 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Annie, 2, #195 of 1794 🔗

Give it a rinse, good to go.

344849 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cecil B, 4, #196 of 1794 🔗

As a sign of solidarity I’d ask the barfluidgenderfluidspeciesbeing to leave it wrapped in its plastic (it should be the cheapest possible scotch egg for pub cost reasons), and I’d leave it there untouched. Every little helps.

345459 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #197 of 1794 🔗

Everyone could go into the bar and ask for a pint and THE scotch egg.

345054 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 8, #198 of 1794 🔗

A horse walks into a bar, the landlord says”Why the long face”

A bit of green tarmac walks into a bar, the landlord says “I’m not serving you mate” the tarmac says “Why not”
The landlord says, “Your a cyclepath”

A bear walks into a bar and says “Lanldord, I would like……………Two pints of larger and apacket of crisps please”
the landlord says
“What’s up with the dramatic pause?”

Thanks you, I am here all week!

345435 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Two-Six, 1, #199 of 1794 🔗

Do you do bar mitzvahs?

346442 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to thinkaboutit, #200 of 1794 🔗

no

344766 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 1, #201 of 1794 🔗

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1347582146819596290

I can’t find the original CDC document.

345462 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basileus, #203 of 1794 🔗

Gone down the memory hole?

344767 Alex B, replying to Alex B, 43, #204 of 1794 🔗

It would seem that the suggestion Mike Hearn made in his article on this site: The Flu Hypothesis (Jan 6th), where he says:
The likely Government response to this will be to get angry. When stupid people do stupid things and the stupid things lead to bad or ineffective outcomes, stupid people tend to get angry and blame others. Expect that this is what the Government will do. They will blame people for not following the lockdown and they may even ramp up restrictions or clamp down on those not seen as adequately compliant.
This could go either way. The population may side with the Government. But they also may become annoyed at being heckled. My feeling is that people are pretty sick of this and scepticism of lockdown measures is widespread. But your guess is as good as mine in this regard.
Was prescient. It would appear that this is now happening.
I have just been on The Telegraph’s website and I cannot recall seeing so many comments that are totally furious with the way the government has handled the entire situation.
It is going to interesting (to say the least), to watch how this is going to play out.

344780 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Alex B, 18, #205 of 1794 🔗

Interesting times. Or should that be interesting Telegraph?
I take comfort from the speed with which the Soviet bloc collapsed.
And I pray.
And sticker.
And walk free.

344768 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 35, #206 of 1794 🔗

Ultimately, cockwombles like Johnson and Whitty would love to see a full throttled police state unfortunately for them we have tiny armed services who now bow down to the pc doctrine and a pretty useless police service. Non compliance is the game now – just look at the morning traffic !! 66 million against a few globalist head cases, bring on the trials!!

345057 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to nickbowes, 8, #207 of 1794 🔗

Yep their pc policies have had the effect of destroying the police force.TSG aside.
The reason the police ran from the BLM protesters is that was all they could do.Puny men and 5f women are no good in a fight.
As for the Army their numbers are so small they can’t be everywhere.

344769 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #208 of 1794 🔗

“The CDC guidelines now say that anyone who has previously suffered an immediate allergic reaction of ANY SEVERITY to any ingredient of Pfizer or Moderna’s vaccines should not be vaccinated unless they have been cleared by doctors.”

Doctor ‘Have you ever had an allergic reaction to any of the ingredients in this vaccine?’

Patient ‘ Hard to say, I mean I did the 60’s. At Woodstock everyone was doing monkey DNA. They were all spaced out on that shit man. I lost whole weeks’

344771 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 9, #209 of 1794 🔗

They make it sound like looking at the label on a jar of pasta sauce. Who the fuck knows what’s in a vaccine?

345181 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #210 of 1794 🔗

I’d bet the tag-team of chimp dna and shark’s liver excretion is pretty frothy and the compound of which is not on the label.

344770 mj, replying to mj, 11, #211 of 1794 🔗

Remember the NHS “Just” adverts before christmas reminding people that rather than protecting the NHS by staying away from the doctors and dying of cancer at home, you should actually try and get a telephone appointment.
They have now extended it via a new advert to miscarriages and other pre-natal issues. A heavily pregnant lady with “Just” tattooed on her distended belly finally decides to contact the doctor rather than protect the NHS.

As i accidently cut my hand off yesterday i can’t wait for the diy “just” advert to come which tells me I can now contact 111 to book an A&E appointment just so I dont bleed to death

344773 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 71, #213 of 1794 🔗

I cannot abide the country I was born in, grew up in and will die in getting torn to shreds by its most miserable, mean, selfish citizens. This is unacceptable. It is such a grotesque assault on all that is good and decent in us. It cannot and must not stand.

344777 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 24, #214 of 1794 🔗

There’s us.
Don’t despair.
One human being weighs heavier in the scales of decency than a million zombies.

344783 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Annie, 16, #215 of 1794 🔗

I hope we inherit these magical islands. I’ve not visited a stone circle for a while now. The folks who built these sites knew what this place meant.

344826 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, 10, #216 of 1794 🔗

Going to walk out to one this afternoon. Yes, those people were wiser than us.

345066 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard O, 3, #217 of 1794 🔗

Don’t go to Stonehenge, it’s crap. It’s like Disneyland Paris now. I bet you will have to wear a FN too.

345159 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Two-Six, 5, #218 of 1794 🔗

Yes, Avebury is much better.

344824 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 6, #219 of 1794 🔗

One human being weighs heavier in the scales of decency than a million zombies

Yes, that can’t be said often enough.

344778 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 15, #220 of 1794 🔗

Anyone knows ferguson and whitty home addresses? Asking for a friend.

344786 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TheClone, 11, #221 of 1794 🔗

Chris Whitty
Tales From the Crypt
London
England

Don’t know Rain Man’s address, sorry

345186 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom Blackburn, #222 of 1794 🔗

Frmly C/o Sweeney Tod’s.

344792 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to TheClone, 11, #223 of 1794 🔗

Not sure about Ferguson, but Whitty is living under my skin, making it crawl. I think this is why they’ve banned all the antiparasitic drugs. What I’d give for a good dose of artemisinin.

344779 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #224 of 1794 🔗

I’m not too fussed for Trumpey – he’s been taking the piss for ages but as the general direction is towards censorship of fairly moderate views, I’m willing to give Parler a go.

Anyone know how the fuck it works?

344785 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #225 of 1794 🔗

It’s very simple. You just download the app and set up your account, then the fuckers ban it.

344811 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #226 of 1794 🔗

Tried to search for Simon Dolan and Matt le Tissier (don’t judge me) and can’t find either. Will give it another go later.

345029 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #227 of 1794 🔗

I using it via my browser.

Here’s Simon Dolan https://parler.com/profile/Simondolan/posts

344788 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 13, #228 of 1794 🔗

I’ve a blog buddy in hospital with pneumonia. They have tested her 3 times for covid in as many days.

344790 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 19, #229 of 1794 🔗

My bf’s friend’s mum was in hospital for pneumonia back at the beginning of December, and he told my bf how the hospital just repeatedly kept testing her for Covid, almost as if they were desperate to find a positive result…

345688 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Poppy, 3, #230 of 1794 🔗

In Italy, some poor bloke (asymptomatic) tested positive 15 times (at two week intervals) in a row. During this time he was incarcerated in prison/hospital. He was allowed out at the first negative.

344877 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 17, #231 of 1794 🔗

They desire a single false positive so they can move her to a covid ward. Then she can actually catch the virus and give them a more reliable harvest of positive results for the targets to be met.

344923 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to TheBluePill, 8, #232 of 1794 🔗

I only know two people who have had covid and both caught it in hospital in non-covid wards.

344948 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Caramel, 14, #234 of 1794 🔗

Someone made the point whether you believe in conspiracy or cock up what this crisis has exposed is the uselessness of all our institutions.
None of them function in the way they should.
This has been a long process and the signs were there but no one was paying attention.

345503 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #235 of 1794 🔗

They have been hollowed out from within.
Common Purpose was just a stage, it stems back to pre WW2 Frankfurt School stuff ramped up after the Soviet Union collapsed and Reagan/Thatcher reigned in Socialism at home.

345137 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Caramel, 3, #236 of 1794 🔗

Quite a lot of Sceptic comment on that article, considering its the Grauniad.

345691 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Caramel, 1, #237 of 1794 🔗

Covid has exposed how competent the British state is.

They are very competent at looting the public purse for personal / corporate benefit.

344794 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 2, #238 of 1794 🔗

Astra Zenica

Just had a quick look [ what does the below mean

After first use, discard after:
6 hours at 20°-25°C (68°-77°F), or
48 hours at 2°-8°C (36°-46°F)

AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine (nih.gov)

344881 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Steeve, 5, #239 of 1794 🔗

It means once it’s reconstituted, its safe to use for up to 6 hours if its out of the fridge, as it would be during an immunisation session. If you mix it and keep it in the fridge, you have to use it within 48 hours. So theres the potential for some wastage if sessions aren’t planned well.

345206 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Steeve, 4, #240 of 1794 🔗

What it the Greta footprint of this vaccine including Davey Attinborough in Duvet Doat Emporer Penguin Antarctic storage?

They are busy conflating their climate fraud with their vaccine fraud so these questiins are good to ask. Gretna told us it was climate war we needed , but your polar bear cub storage isn’t going to come at a low daisy and leaf count.

344798 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 130, #241 of 1794 🔗

Feeling quite optimistic after today’s update. The government are clearly spooked at the lack of compliance, and we have proof of lower compliance – more kids in schools, more people on the streets, on the road, etc. My bf is part of a household ‘bubble’ at university (around 18 people) and most of his ‘bubble’ friends are going back today, thus ignoring government guidance to stay at home and study – good on them.

There really isn’t anything more the government can ban or shut down without grinding the entire country to a halt. They can’t stop post or deliveries if a large majority is working from home, they can’t close supermarkets or other essential shops, and they can’t get rid of support bubbles lest they leave single people alone with no support. There is nothing left to ban. Is the public finally realising that no matter how hard you lock down, no matter how many restrictions there are, that people will still die?

I saw a rather cretinous article on the Telegraph the other day with some SAGE talking head saying how it was a ‘problem’ that millions of key workers still need to leave the house and keep the country running over lockdown. In a way, they should ban key workers and then reap the consequences. Let there be power and heating cuts in the middle of winter; let sewage back up and waterborne diseases flourish; let rubbish pile up; let people starve; and let people die in the precious NHS for want of medical staff… then these scientists, who want to eliminate all risk and all death, would have to fester in the shit they had created.

Lockdowns kill and are a barbaric, medieval intervention in an advanced, interconnected and sophisticated society.

344814 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Poppy, 19, #242 of 1794 🔗

I don’t know, I think these sociopaths have a few turns of the screw left in them yet. Reminds me of a conversation between two police officers in The Wire, about their superiors:

– “Worst they can do is bust you back to [a lower rank].”
– “I don’t even want to think about the worst these motherfuckers can do, and neither do you.”

344838 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to mattghg, 60, #243 of 1794 🔗

I am bracing myself for more insanity, but at the end of the day the public is fatigued. Chris Whitty himself predicted this back in March when he said that any lockdown would have to be strictly time-limited, or trust and compliance would evaporate – which is exactly what has happened thanks to a literally endless lockdown. There aren’t enough police officers in this country for the kind of enforcement the govt want. The police also should bear in mind the need to maintain trust between citizens and officers, and petty, authoritarian enforcement of the type we have seen will destroy that trust.

345048 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Poppy, 27, #244 of 1794 🔗

The only repressive measures they have left are a curfew and outdoor masking,but then that would reveal the game as both would have no effect on a virus.

345141 ▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to jonathan Palmer, 16, #245 of 1794 🔗

Of all the measures they have taken so far the various time limits and petty rules (like the Scotch Egg rules) have caused the most defections from the narrative among my acquaintances. Lockdown itself they can embrace, having bought the Government line, but not obviously stupid petty rules. It’s amazing that a Brexiteer government couldn’t understand that about the British people.

345769 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #246 of 1794 🔗

We have both of those measures in France, but my sense is that they’re starting to break down.

345121 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Poppy, 20, #247 of 1794 🔗

The police are hopelessly outnumbered, thats why the government have been engaging in these dramatic brainwashing campaigns in the media, because if the public ever does rebel, which I’m sure they will then its game over.

345192 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Poppy, 15, #248 of 1794 🔗

“The police also should bear in mind the need to maintain trust between citizens and officers, and petty, authoritarian enforcement of the type we have seen will destroy that trust.”

Already long, long gone, I’m afraid. The police have completely shot their last bolt on this.

345304 ▶▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to Poppy, 1, #249 of 1794 🔗

‘The Full China’; foot-binding next to keep us local.

345453 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Poppy, 18, #250 of 1794 🔗

I feel they’ve just cried wolf once too often.

I think there might be justification for stricter measures in the first two weeks of January but that would be the case every year. It shouldn’t really go beyond saying “Only go to hospital if strictly necessary”.

If we hadn’t had the November lockdown and then the ridiculous last minute Christmas lockout people would be more compliant now. But the government are overplaying their hand. We are all fed up.

345060 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to mattghg, 4, #251 of 1794 🔗

Or put you on boat patrol

345382 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to stefarm, 1, #252 of 1794 🔗

Well hey, shitbird, where DON’T you wanna go?

346182 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to mattghg, 2, #253 of 1794 🔗

The government works for Bill Gates and Bill wants nearly all of us dead, so he can save the planet just for himself and a few rich pals. So it’s either them or us, there is no middle ground.

344835 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Poppy, 57, #254 of 1794 🔗

There was a similar thing today about the “dangers” of receiving grocery deliveries at home – because even if the chances of the virus surviving on surfaces are low, they are not zero. One can only hope that the people who are swayed by such arguments follow through on their logic, and starve themselves to death.

You are an uplifting influence, Poppy. Thank you for your always eloquent and impassioned posts. And special thanks for using the critically endangered word “lest”.

344845 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 43, #255 of 1794 🔗

There would be enormous uproar if grocery deliveries stopped, and for good reason. It just won’t happen because the government would be accused of starving its people. Same for postal services when people need essential (and non-essential) items.

How kind of you to say, thank you very much 🙂 I do try to stay optimistic in my outlook of this situation – partly to provide hope to those on here, partly to keep myself sane, and partly because I am convinced that we will be right in the end!

344871 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 19, #256 of 1794 🔗

Kurt Gödel, a famous logician, became mentally ill and refused food unless his wife prepared it. When she was hospitalised and was unable to prepare his food, he refused all nutrition and starved to death. This was obvious psychological disturbance – one day the psychiatric cost of all this will be totted up, maybe.

345203 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #257 of 1794 🔗

If Poppy is an example of the future of this country then we are very fortunate.

345644 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to WasSteph, 7, #258 of 1794 🔗

Oh, the reaction when the next generation takes over is going to be QUITE something to see. It isn’t going to look quite like anyone expects, but it’s going to be good. The Hancocks and Whittys of this world are going to look like Ribbentrop and Mengele looked to the (majority of) Germans in the 1950s.

345669 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #259 of 1794 🔗

Good to see you back, NN, and on fire today too.

I also hope that the young generation now will reject the ultra-safetyism and ultra-wokeness of the Owen Jones generation. It’s going to be their world and surely they do not want to live like this.

344885 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Poppy, 14, #260 of 1794 🔗

I suspect a lot of students will, like your bf, be heading back this weekend. That is where a student’s life is, where the majority of their study materials are, where the work-in-progress of dissertations etc is. They need to go back.
As there were high levels of Covid in the student community in the autumn, the nett effect on transmission will probably not be huge.

344911 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #261 of 1794 🔗

I don’t think students are allowed back.

345303 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to arfurmo, 9, #262 of 1794 🔗

They’re not, but I think many will be doing it from what I’m hearing. Halls of residence will be closed by the universities, but many students are living in rented accommodation, for which they are paying irrespective of everything else, so they might well be heading back. They want their independence and will be taking it.

345363 ▶▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 7, #263 of 1794 🔗

My bf’s friends live in the uni’s halls of residence, but they’re not getting catered meals as they normally would and instead have to put up with a pokey little kitchen which is not fit for purpose. My bf has decided to stay with me for the time being because I’d be living alone otherwise.

I believe the uni allow students to return if they don’t have ‘sufficient study space’ at home, but this will obviously be impossible to verify.

345488 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to arfurmo, 4, #264 of 1794 🔗

There will be no facilities open for them but they will be able to socialise in multi person student household bubbles.

345482 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 14, #265 of 1794 🔗

I’m going back on Friday. We’ve been told we’re allowed to go back if it’s beneficial to our mental well-being and/or we don’t have a sufficient working environment at home. Aside from being able to see my boyfriend (providing no Stasi make an appearance) the library is staying open so I can get some dissertation work done.

344943 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Poppy, 3, #266 of 1794 🔗

Well put Poppy

345047 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Poppy, 17, #267 of 1794 🔗

Great post. Paraphrasing Toby from a couple of years ago –

‘Socialism [or state control] always starts off with the best intentions but ends up with people eating their pets’

To which I would add, my wife would become radicalised in a heartbeat if she thought that our dogs were in danger from The Pig Dictator and the Ayatollahs of Sage.

345199 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 14, #268 of 1794 🔗

Agreed; if this virus ever affected pets to the extent that the Bastard Ferguson started to try to repeat the cull of the National Herd (but on pets this time), his head would be on a pole by the end of the first day.

345187 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Poppy, 11, #269 of 1794 🔗

Dear Poppy, how wonderful your post is! Every time I get a bit “down”, one of you posts something that reverses the effect that their evil has wrought.

345604 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Poppy, 14, #270 of 1794 🔗

If we were really in a deadly pandemic there should be canaries in the mine to show this. One canary is the impact on the ability to provide services due to labour shortages. If workers were dying in droves or becoming temporarily ill and unable to work, you should see the impact of this eg public transport not running due to lack of drivers, food deliveries not getting through due to a lack of staff, shops not being able to open or reduce opening hours due to lack of staff, power cuts due to lack of staff at power stations. We have seen no impact of labour shortages. We haven’t seen any instances of jobs being created to replace dead staff or staff being temporarily unable to work. I have not heard any issue of staff abseentism being a big problem in workplaces.

I think there may be a reason why the government closed as many businesses as possible. If these businesses remained open without any staff going sick and were able to function normally people might ask along the lines of “if we are in a deadly pandemic, why are businesses able to operate and there are no staff dropping like flies”. Closing businesses would hide this.

345957 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Ianric, 4, #271 of 1794 🔗

I think this is now a political crisis rather than a health one.

346044 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 1, #272 of 1794 🔗

Let there be power and heating cuts in the middle of winter; let sewage back up and waterborne diseases flourish; let rubbish pile up; let people starve; and let people die in the precious NHS for want of medical staff… then these scientists, who want to eliminate all risk and all death, would have to fester in the shit they had created.

That would be the Winter of Discontent Part 2 and would the the end of the government.

344801 Alias Margaret, replying to Alias Margaret, 11, #273 of 1794 🔗

https://rumble.com/vcesav-brave-reporter-goes-off-script-on-air.html

Worth a listen. This is a Canadian doctor talking about PCR, the disappearance of the flu and masks, amongst other things.

344817 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Alias Margaret, 11, #274 of 1794 🔗

Wearing masks has only a psychological effect . . creates fear . . . a CIA torture technique. I don’t know about the reporter going off script but I’m surprised the doctor was allowed on. No pandemic, wild virus is safer. Thanks for posting.

345080 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Alias Margaret, 4, #275 of 1794 🔗

This is brilliant. Thanks for posting it. I wonder how many medics think the same as him in private.

345569 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alias Margaret, 1, #276 of 1794 🔗

Great interview! Thanks.

344802 TC, 16, #277 of 1794 🔗

Disruptexts?
Sounds like cyber book burning by the illiterati.
First they burn books and then they start burning people.
Cowards who hide behind cyberspace. We’ve all seen and experienced that cowardice in our email and SMS comms.
Restrictions for 10 months now and not surprisingly the public, or more of them, are growing restive wanting to exercise more freedoms they have lost.
Police officers and politicians need to know that some will not forget or forgive their heavy handed and contemptuous treatment of people in these times however much of a gloss they want to put on things including blaming us.
Maybe then they will rein back but I doubt it because I think most are too dim to see it;they’ll be part of the herd, just obeying orders etc.
I knew the police have been dumbed down in recent years but the attitude of them now is becoming seriously poor.
It seems to vary from one force to another but I detect a more uniform restrictive stance by them now looking at news reports but I prefer to hear from people on the ground since I now distrust the msm.
Stay sane people.

344804 Biker, replying to Biker, 60, #278 of 1794 🔗

Johnstone, Sturgeon and all the rest of them can suck my fucking dick. Everyone must go out and don’t do what these lying corrupt scum tell you to do. We are in a fight for our lives and these fuckers are prepared to set the state thugs on you and kill you. Fuck them and every single person who wears a mask and goes along with this.

344938 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 15, #279 of 1794 🔗

Spot on. Not letting Sturgeon or Johnson near my dick though.

345063 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to TJN, 1, #280 of 1794 🔗

They can share one. Who’s would it be?

344805 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 65, #281 of 1794 🔗

‘Have you heard the one about Matt Hancock walking into a bar?

No?

Anyway, Matt Hancock walks into a bar

Barman says ‘Before you say anything fuck off out of my pub’

344810 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 31, #282 of 1794 🔗

Ooh, let’s start a series.

Chris Whitty walks into a bar.

The impact makes him a bit dizzy, and he stumbles and falls into the path of a Range Rover being driven at high speed by a drunk-in-charge Neil Ferguson.

And everyone else lives happily ever after.

344916 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #283 of 1794 🔗

And he is added to the death with Coivd stats as he tests positive.

344952 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #284 of 1794 🔗

Ah but did he test positive for Covid before they put him in the coffin???

344949 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Cecil B, 3, #285 of 1794 🔗

Love it!

345076 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Cecil B, 3, #286 of 1794 🔗

Arr do you remember the days when ‘NHS-manager’ still meant something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ9SV6V3-Bg

344812 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 15, #287 of 1794 🔗

Can we get some perspective on the death rate ?

Look at the excess death rate compared to the headline COVID death rate in the graph below. The excess rate compares 2020 deaths to the average of 2015-2019 adjusted to take account of increasing population above 70, which was significant in this period.

The so called second wave is nothing of the sort – excess deaths are running at around 500 – 700 per week compared to 11-12,000 in April.

The intensive care units in London have capacity of just over 1,000 for a population of 9 million, and around 10% of the staff are off, many self-isolating – if that were done for the flu there would be massive staff shortages. Could that be the problem ?

344833 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Laurence, 19, #288 of 1794 🔗

I would expect to see slightly higher excess deaths this winter because of the deadly effects of lockdown and restrictions – people being more susceptible to illnesses from being worn down and shut up inside, people not seeking treatment because they either can’t or are too scared, particularly cold weather right now, etc. I still think that lockdown measures contributed to the the huge spike in April. The way Covid deaths are recorded in this country also massively muddies the waters for ascertaining how many excess deaths are really down to Covid.

344864 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Poppy, 7, #289 of 1794 🔗

You are by no means alone in thinking that:

‘….the government in mid-March adopted a policy, executed by NHS England and NHS Improvement, that led to 25,000 patients, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 who had not been tested, being discharged from hospital into care homes between 17 March and 15 April—exponentially increasing the risk of transmission to the very population most at risk of severe illness and death from the disease. With no access to testing, severe shortages of PPE, insufficient staff, and limited guidance, care homes were overwhelmed. Although care home deaths were not even being counted in daily official figures of COVID-19 deaths until 29 April, some 4,300 care home deaths were reported in a single fortnight during this period.’

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care%20Homes%20Report.pdf?kd5Z8eWzj8Q6ryzHkcaUnxfCtqe5Ddg6=

345088 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #290 of 1794 🔗

A crime against humanity. Bastards.

345094 ▶▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Tim Bidie, #291 of 1794 🔗

.

345138 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to popo says, 4, #292 of 1794 🔗

I may not agree with what you do not say but I defend your right not to say it absolutely.

344899 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Laurence, 3, #293 of 1794 🔗

In looking at the ONS-NHS data sets from the past 5 years, in January week 1 the average death rate from flu-resp-pneum is 2116 per week. 2361 in 2018. A lot of December dated-dead flow into Jan.

2020 week 1: 2140
2021 week 1 they reported; 4996.

So using their data, we see a large increase.

But in 2018 it was widely reported that in week 2 Jan 2018; 15.000 died from flu-resp-pneum. That was also based on ONS data…..so without seeing the source data, we cannot verify nor refute their official data sets. However, where did the 15K dead from week 2 Jan 2018 come from?

344816 New name old face, replying to New name old face, 15, #294 of 1794 🔗

It’s getting very very scary. Life was restrictive and annoying last year. This year is something beyond comprehension.

I know it’s just the start with Twitter taking so many accounts down and Parler app removed from Apple etc.

My thoughts are that when you are in an abusive relationship, you either navigate it and walk on egg shells, becoming more emotionally scarred and spiritually reduced over time , or you leave. Fighting it gives the abusive partner ammunition to do whatever they like. Oppression is in powerful hands. We have no hope.

My latest idea is to learn to fly a plane. Are there any pilots on here?

344844 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to New name old face, 11, #295 of 1794 🔗

The system is revealing its true nature. It was always like this, but one way or another we were spared its worst excesses. Now the facade has been dispensed with, we can clearly see who we are up against.

344855 ▶▶▶ New name old face, replying to Richard O, 15, #296 of 1794 🔗

Yes indeed. Only a few months ago did I realise this. That I was living life behind a veil.

Now we are all truly the same. Victims of oppression, just like we used to see on the news of some other far flung country, thinking how lucky we are. How lucky we are to have born into a freedom loving democracy.

I let my experiences of life prior to this time, for the moment, Rest In Peace. For they were a thin illusion.

I seek a true, honest and free experience of life for myself and my lovely child. However, when I look into her eyes as she says “I can’t wait to be a mummy like you”, I weep and die inside.

344878 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to New name old face, 13, #297 of 1794 🔗

As I told colleagues, most of whom are LD fascists, you can keep sucking down your Blue Pills, or take the Red Pill and join reality. This rabbit hole runs very deep: media+social platforms+deep state+half wits called politicians+billionaires+pharma+ citizen ignorance.

The Great Reset in the guise of Green Fascism is very real and the only way to implement it is by force. That much is quite obvious. Not saying it will happen, but that is the only way to implement it.

344906 ▶▶▶▶▶ New name old face, replying to FerdIII, 10, #298 of 1794 🔗

The Great Reset or New World Order is predictive computer modelling; setting perametrs in code, that equal the results you want. Applying it to every subject matter research, at doctorate level. And then calling it science. And then telling everyone to believe it or using it to tell people how to live. That’s it simply, in my mind.

344933 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to New name old face, 6, #299 of 1794 🔗

Yes the cult of science, a religion. I get into arguments with people over it, self forming DNA, magic mutations, abiogenesis, dark matter, warming from plant food. They have no evidence but always say ‘science’ much of it based on junk models, which when audited, are revealed to be embarrassments, like Ferguson’s junk.

You can sell anything using ‘science’ and control vast herds of people.

345322 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to New name old face, 1, #300 of 1794 🔗

Refer once again to three part (BBC !) documentary
‘What happened to our dream of freedom’ esp. Pt 1. for the psych and tech.
Still available on YouTube but in bits with Greek subtitles.

345039 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to FerdIII, 2, #301 of 1794 🔗

Why do you think our government are installing a control grid on the population.

345012 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to New name old face, 8, #302 of 1794 🔗

Oh how you’ve grown country Mumkin!

More joking and patronising from me this morning, must be a sunny saturday in lock up with snow on the hills and fines imposed by police for walking on them.

2 hill walkers were fined for going hill walking and requiring a rescue. The team went out and rescued them. At the bottom of the hill the police fined them under covidians law. As pointed out by others more thoughtful than myself. That will encourage other walkers in difficulty to not dial the covidian fining brigade and put themselves further in harms way.

Glad people have woken up to the false reality. There’s a scene in the film Wizard of Oz where the curtain is pilled back and the great reveal is there is nothing but a small little man pulling strings.

The yellow brick road symbolizes gold, dorothies shoes where silver in the original book changed to ruby red for the technicolour film. The book was written to tell the tale of the financial system as it was then, bufore the gold standard was done away with.

Henry Ford later said “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning”.

Our reality is not, nor has it been for a very long time what we are told it is. It is a giant curtain ot veil that is woven around us. It is a shocking process to wake up to this. But once people are awake, just like the Wizard of Oz their awful power is gone.

Check out the history of the wizard of oz if youre in lock up with nothing better to do.

345049 ▶▶▶▶▶ New name old face, replying to Basics, 7, #303 of 1794 🔗

I thought I’d woken, but I seem to be still waking. Then wondering if it just would be fine and dandy to fall back to sleep again where life wasn’t so complicated. Can’t u see I know that.

In other news, and I have been mentioning here a few times the past few days, I’m very concerned with “the fight”. Any overt fighting (including demonstration) will be weaponised and manipulated, as we’ve seen with the Trump situation and any organised protests. We’re also in the new realm of “anti -facism is the new facism”.

It’s a very difficult war to fight in an overt way. Weapons of the opposition being cancel culture, virtue signalling and anti facism.

Personally I think we need to dig deep individually. What are our skills? Can we re-train? How can we bring balance to bear so the opposition doesn’t have anything to “fight” with?

345055 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 2, #304 of 1794 🔗

The wizard revealed

https://youtu.be/-RQxD4Ff7dY

345305 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ New name old face, replying to stefarm, 1, #305 of 1794 🔗

Thanks for the WOZ link and info above. I was mildly aware there was hidden messages but hadn’t looked into it until now. Another aspect to digest!

345785 ▶▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Basics, #306 of 1794 🔗

This is I think, a hugely important insight. Perhaps good can come out of this mess, in the form of greater transparency and understanding of how our world works. Thankyou

344995 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to New name old face, 9, #307 of 1794 🔗

Just ask your delivery driver or supermarket cashier. Chances are one of them will be an ex airline pilot whose life, like many many others has been destroyed, not by the virus, but by inept and corrupt ‘government’ action. Luckily I did my 45 years as a pilot and got to retirement.

345097 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to New name old face, 3, #308 of 1794 🔗

I used to be quite interested in flying. How do you feel about getting a big pile of £20 notes and setting fire to it, every week? It’s a bit like that….

345108 ▶▶ leggy, replying to New name old face, 2, #309 of 1794 🔗

Unfortunately, you can only take lessons currently if you are working towards a commercial licence. I believe that there are several pilots on here. I know of a couple of sceptical pilots, but I know far more who are frightened to death.

345145 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to leggy, 4, #310 of 1794 🔗

My husband is a pilot. Air Force. Fortunately he is as sceptical as me.

but when we steal a plane and escape this lunatic country, where shall we go? Is Sweden still free? What has happened to Carrie?

345162 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to sophie123, 2, #311 of 1794 🔗

have you got room for me in your plane – i’ll go anywhere but here!
I’d love to hide out on a small island off thailand somewhere in a little wooden hut and palm trees gently waving in the sea breeze like i did backpacking around in late 80s before it got hideously touristy…

345703 ▶▶ zubin, replying to New name old face, #312 of 1794 🔗

Yes me

344818 alw, 2, #313 of 1794 🔗

Absolute BS from the Evening Standard last night. Barely any of this can be considered as London. Lots of other concerns about this as well.

https://youtu.be/kEGW6mPZjmA

344819 Will, replying to Will, 32, #314 of 1794 🔗

For the life of me I don’t understand why Toby isn’t highlighting Vallance’s prophetic quote about lockdown on March 12th 2020:

“If you completely locked down absolutely everything, probably for a period of four months or more then you would suppress this virus,” he told Sky News.

“All of the evidence from previous epidemics suggests that when you do that and then you release it, it all comes back again.
“The other part of this is to make sure that we don’t end up with a sudden peak again in the winter which is even larger which causes even more problems.

“So we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely which you can’t do anyway, not suppress it so we get the second peak and also allow enough of us who are going to get mild illness to become immune to this to help with the whole population response which would protect everybody.”

344830 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Will, 29, #315 of 1794 🔗

I remember all the sensible press conferences pre-March 13, clear as day. Back then I supported the government and its approach to Covid. I thought that the UK would maintain its reputation for common sense and proportion and everything Vallance said made perfect sense on that day. And then we crossed the Rubicon.

344976 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Poppy, 3, #316 of 1794 🔗

Oh how you’ve grown poppy!

I say jokingly in a patronising manner. It has been a very long year.

344931 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 3, #317 of 1794 🔗

I can’t fathom what Vallance is on about. Not a great communicator.

345148 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Julian, 3, #318 of 1794 🔗

Hahaha. Too true. I have worked with him and he is terrible. And very choosy in what is “fact” (ie what suits his argument)

344820 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #319 of 1794 🔗

Mrs Mollari tells me that journos were pressing Drakeford as to whether he was considering a curfew.

344860 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #320 of 1794 🔗

Doncha just love their sense of social responsibility (not!) if that’s the case – ie trying to put the idea in his head in the first place that that is what we The Public want and, of course, we’d abide by it! (like heck we would and the only darn reason I would, apparently, be abiding by it is because they’ve shut the theatre/cinema in my small town and so my evening social life isn’t available to go to anyway at the moment darn them). That’s the thing too – ie that many communities in Wales are so small that pretty darn much the only social life in them of an evening is pubs (if that) anyway and, as we know, he’s already shut them.

344918 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to ElizaP, 3, #321 of 1794 🔗

Err isn’t there a joke about fields and sheep?

345025 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #322 of 1794 🔗

What is the point of a curfew.Everything is shut anyway.

344821 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #323 of 1794 🔗

They never answer the phone.

If they do eventually answer the phone they have a carefully prepared script saying it’d nothing to do with them, delivered with a go fuck yourself attitude

If you meet any of them in person you can see their minds ticking over; contemplating how they could engineer a situation that would allow them to beat the crap out of you

They never talk just go straight to screaming

The females seem to be in an arms race with the males as to whom can be the most obnoxious

What is the adage about how to treat people on the way up as you will be meeting them on the way down

344973 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 3, #324 of 1794 🔗

I like your last line

344823 Stephensceptic, replying to Stephensceptic, 29, #325 of 1794 🔗

The video about the police officers is awesome.

Those guys are just so arrogant. To tell someone to grow up also sums up their level of intellect too.

It also sums up the reality: they probably realise this is all overblown and that the true risk of having coffee in a coffee shop is zero!

Right through April, police officers worked. They interacted with people and each other. No masks. Limited social distancing: they all sat close to each other in cars with no masks.

Nobody has produced any data that I have seen to show that they suffered more illness than the rest of the population. The Police Federation would have been quick to jump on any signal like that.

Nor has any similar analysis been produced in any other country. Nor has there been any systematic evidence presented with respect to health workers. Unions have a strong incentive to push this type of thing. It is not being said.

In public we now also see the police in masks. It is just part of the behavioral assault we are suffering from a panicked and over reaching government that is clutching at answers but does not have them.

For me, it sums up the futility of all this. The government keeps telling us the tiger is on the way, then tells us it will kill us and that it has a great tiger horn to keep us safe. But there is no evidence that the tiger horn works. It is just a way to create a sense of doing something and keeps the population in thrall to the medical and healthcare complex.

Third National Lockdown. The clue is in “Third”. Will this be like the Battles of the Isonzo, which reached Seven?

344971 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Stephensceptic, 9, #326 of 1794 🔗

Really important to share such videos. Not certain about sharing the brutal violent attack ones as they can have an effect of causing fear by viewing. But where hypocrites are exposed people need to seem how we are policed by consent.

It was through sharing the curbar edge drone footage from derbyshire police that the outrage was buikd and their climb down occured.

Again, sharing the recent attack in the family home by police caused an out rage which has led to a whitewashed investigatiin to be started. Without the outrage the police thugs would not even have broken a sweat over what they did. This particular incident in the home does equally spread a fear about police entering, balance by the counter that it exposes the end result of grassing on thy neighbour.

344825 alw, replying to alw, 1, #327 of 1794 🔗

Excellent thread from the Statistics guy.
My Views on Covid for Clarity, might lose me some followers, or not. But it is important I think”

https://youtu.be/kEGW6mPZjmA

344834 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to alw, #328 of 1794 🔗

You re-posted the Evening Standard video.

344827 alw, 9, #329 of 1794 🔗

Francis Hoar.

344828 alw, 8, #330 of 1794 🔗

Courtesy Francis Hoar. Hospitals not overwhelmed.

344832 Henry2, replying to Henry2, 13, #331 of 1794 🔗

Anyone else surprised that reporting on GBD has been auspiciously quiet? Surely it becomes irrefutable that the original policy set out by Witty and Vallance, executed by Sweden and advertised by GBD later that the only way to tackle this type of virus is through immunity. Either we wait to vaccinate, which appears to have come too late (inevitable) as we’re at the beginning of coronavirus season or we build up community immunity as safely as possible with focused protection which will mitigate the resurgence seen now. With the initial epidemic being sponsored by NHS managements ineptitude of emptying hospitals, it was no surprise it was primarily a nosocomial disease. Now it seems, as many predicted, a resurgence across the less intensely exposed community which may well be exacerbated by lockdown. Would Witty and Vallance like to turn back time and stick to their guns or follow the mavericks of Shridar into this impossible zero covid game of cat and mouse with an endemic respiratory nano pathogen?

What am I missing?

344837 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Henry2, 3, #332 of 1794 🔗

I’m afraid it seems increasingly that Sweden has gone over to the dark side. That doesn’t answer your question, though.

344846 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to mattghg, 11, #333 of 1794 🔗

They haven’t, their schools, bars, restaurants, shops etc are still open. They have brought in slightly stricter advice but they don’t need them because their seasonal blip was smaller than anywhere else, has now passed and they haven’t seen excess deaths anyway.

344867 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Will, 2, #334 of 1794 🔗

I’m afraid it’s worse than you think:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/sweden-finally-tightens-laws-to-fight-coronavirus-spread-cq8mhwsgk

They’re winding up to close businesses.

344882 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to mattghg, 4, #335 of 1794 🔗

Politicians trying to take credit for natures work.

344890 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mattghg, 2, #336 of 1794 🔗

Why ?
Posted here yesterday

345093 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mattghg, #337 of 1794 🔗

They want zero Covid. Noweher near first peak. Seasonal resurgence

344850 ▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to mattghg, 2, #338 of 1794 🔗

That well maybe, but I’m not surprised they had a Rethink when cases rose, because you second guess yourself. How are Sweden doing now, even with these guidelines. I’m all for sensible restrictions to slow the spread, as was the policy laid out by the GBD – i.e. to reuse a phrase, not just let it rip.

344856 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Henry2, 1, #339 of 1794 🔗

And Sweden gave themselves scope to tighten things up to deal with the autumnal blip (in the knowledge the vaccine was on the way) by not locking everyone down in the summer.

344937 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 5, #340 of 1794 🔗

The tightening was political, not medical.

344935 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Henry2, 6, #341 of 1794 🔗

What sensible restrictions would you support, and how well would they work, and what would be your exit strategy from them?

Let it rip is the only sensible option. Advise the vulnerable of their risks, provide additional healthcare, make treatments available.

345003 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 11, #342 of 1794 🔗

Let it rip is Government Propaganda.Act normal if you feel unwell stay at home until better.I just saved the government £400 billion

345508 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #343 of 1794 🔗

Well “let it rip” is indeed propaganda but that’s what it amounts to – do nothing (other than extra healthcare provision, accurate health advice, learning more about the virus, funding research into treatments).

345592 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 2, #344 of 1794 🔗

The only thing ripping at the moment is a plethora of false positive “cases,” and hysteria promoted by HMG and the MSM.

345112 ▶▶▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to Julian, 4, #345 of 1794 🔗

This is a really difficult question to answer and the only sensible thing is for reasoned debate. Logic may dictate the sensible option as you suggest, but seems logic was thrown out of the window and we sought an emotional response.

I agree, discourse on risk is the primary tool that shouldve been implemented from after the 3 week to flatten the sombrero. Sensible restrictions may only just be a façade by the government which may have no bearing on shifting the needle on R, i.e. not having football crowd etc (originally suggested by Michael Levitt) But I believe it s a careful balance to appease lockdown zealots and lockdown opponents and the psychology of both trains of thought. Restrictions on limiting the integration of young populations with vulnerable populations should be reasoned morally and debated just as how they could be implemented and where resources should be deployed.

As i’ve said before, the current response since March 16th has been a classic example of the emotional dog and its rational tail and it’s left us at the upper end of the worst possible place as warned against by the CMO – along with lockdown fatigue and crippling knock-on effects for much of society. Seems we followed the zero covid policy because its been an emotionally draining experience for the nhs and looking likely to get worse for covid and non-covid patients. to me it seems like an own goal of catastrophic consequence

345512 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Henry2, 4, #346 of 1794 🔗

The CMO has been complicit in this madness.

Shutting down society to “appease” people knowing the damage it does is simply evil

Anyone proposing an extraordinary response (lockdowns) needs to meet the burden of proof that they will do more good than harm

345656 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to Julian, 4, #347 of 1794 🔗

When you impose extreme measures, you have a duty to show irrefutable proof to justify them. Using a previous example. The governments says there is a massive problem with microwaves catching fire. The government introduces a law saying microwaves can’t be used and must be sent away for testing and repair. Microwaves are returned after a long period of time but there are restrictions on how long you can use microwaves, they can’t be used after a certain time, , can’t be used on certain days and there are limits what foods can be put in microwaves. The government can’t just say there is a problem with microwaves catching fires and impose these restrictions. Imagine if the government couldn’t provide evidence of justify these restrictions. You write to fire brigades to see how many fires they have attended where it was suspected faulty microwaves were the cause but they don’t answer. You write to trading standards to see how many reports they have had of microwaves catching fire but they don’t answer.

Lockdowns are among the most extreme measures seen in peacetime which cause massive social and economic damage. A major issue is that governments can just say there is a disease about and we are going to introduce lockdowns. Governments don’t have to provide any evidence to support lockdowns. Governments have a duty to provide irrefutable evidence to justify lockdowns which they can’t. I have made FOI request to seek evidence to justify lockdwosn which either have not been answered or they have answered but can’t provide evidence of justification. For instance, a justification used for imposing lockdown rules on the entire population is that healthy asymptomatic people can spread covid. When I wrote to the NHS about asymptomatic transmission, they couldn’t answer a single question. I sent a request to ask where covid test results are coming from which couldn’t answer. How can a rise in cases be used to justify lockdowns when the government can’t answer a simple question such as where covid tests are being carried out. Going back to my microwave example, imagine if the government said a certain number of microwave fires had occurred but couldn’t say where the fires had occurred.

345084 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mattghg, 3, #348 of 1794 🔗

Their numbers suggest that is a political desire for zero Covid and no doubt pressure from outside. Overall mortality for the year has been normal. Now, if lockdowns really did prevent massive death you simply could not have got that outcome. Impossible.

What the lockdown zealots now need to show is how a country that didn’t follow the plan manage it? Because the certainly got the virus. This is where their entire argument is shown for what it is. They are then reduced to this kind of thinking:

– Voluntary lockdown, I’d love some of that;

– Population density, London V Stockholm shows this is nonsense.

Thats it. Those arguments are weak and so any further debate sees them move into more sceptical territory I feel. That involves talking about different testing approaches, better health service management, lessons learned in care homes, herd immunity due to less lockdowns. It goes on. However the idea that lockdowns do anything but kick the can to flatten the curve near term is just not credible.

344841 ▶▶ Will, replying to Henry2, 4, #349 of 1794 🔗

Thank you Henry 2 for expressing eloquently with real scientific knowledge exactly what I am thinking. We should be shouting from the roof tops “I told you so” or, more accurately “Vallance told you so”.

344854 ▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to Will, 4, #350 of 1794 🔗

Seems like all the eggs are in the vaccine basket, which even with dubious high efficacy, will not be rolled out quick enough to have an effect (well this year at least) which I believe was one of the concerns of Gupta and Kulldorff

344857 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Henry2, 2, #351 of 1794 🔗

Please communicate something to Toby along these lines, Henry2.

344895 ▶▶▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to Will, 4, #352 of 1794 🔗

I think Toby is already well versed in this cockup and commentators like Mayo were spot on with their scepticism that the virus was suppressed with any sort of level of immunity required.

Seems to me, one of the problems has been treating this virus as something from out of space and waiting to prove natural antibody immunity, t cell immunity etc. Whilst we were arresting and fining students maybe they were doing their civic duty.

344945 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Henry2, 3, #353 of 1794 🔗

The problem I have with that, is how do you define a second wave? Is it very increased mortality, or increase in “cases”?

344960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #354 of 1794 🔗

Second wave is more tooboolar than the first.

344982 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #355 of 1794 🔗

Anyone can call a rise in cases etc a wave. My interpretation is that once it’s endemic we don’t see much of a projection of cases from a focal point and cases increase proportionally over a season across the country. I’m sure there will be some technical epidemiology to argue one way or the other.

344939 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 2, #357 of 1794 🔗

Can you translate what Vallance said into coherent English as I didn’t follow it.

344940 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Julian, 5, #358 of 1794 🔗

He originally supported herd immunity and even said “just wash your hands”.

345515 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #359 of 1794 🔗

And then reneged on that, and doubled down on the lies

344941 ▶▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to Julian, 6, #360 of 1794 🔗

Wills post from yesterday:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-scientist-warns-coronavirus-lockdown-risks-more-deaths-a4386661.html

“If you completely locked down absolutely everything, probably for a period of four months or more then you would suppress this virus,” he told Sky News.

“All of the evidence from previous epidemics suggests that when you do that and then you release it, it all comes back again.
“The other part of this is to make sure that we don’t end up with a sudden peak again in the winter which is even larger which causes even more problems.

“So we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely which you can’t do anyway, not suppress it so we get the second peak and also allow enough of us who are going to get mild illness to become immune to this to help with the whole population response which would protect everybody.”

345516 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Henry2, 1, #361 of 1794 🔗

Incoherent gibberish, to me. Need to spell it out in simple words

345513 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 2, #362 of 1794 🔗

What did Vallance tell us, exactly?

He has been a key man in this madness. Blood on his hands.

344887 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Henry2, 2, #363 of 1794 🔗

The only cases that I know about locally are in one particular care home. Several of the frail residents are quite ill but are being treated in their rooms and not taken to hospital, yet.
Several staff have displayed symptoms but are now starting to return to work having recovered.
These will show up as non hospital Covid sick but they are not really in ‘the community’.

344908 ▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to karenovirus, 2, #364 of 1794 🔗

I agree, may well still be primarily nosocomial issue at heart but I’d guess the community is still at a high level of immuno naiveity.

345110 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Henry2, 2, #365 of 1794 🔗

As reported yesterday, the S/W did not have much of a first wave yet, according to Local Live (yes I know), all 10 ‘areas’ that comprise the NHS Region are within the bottom 15 for cases (out of 300+ areas nationally).

345307 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Henry2, 5, #366 of 1794 🔗

Very interesting you reasoning in this thread here .This twitter thread from

https://twitter.com/federicolois/status/1347535265317924864

is perhaps,somewhat dealing with this issue and in the thread there is also a publication he has done.

The importance is the very selective spread in the population following age depended clusters. The actual immunity level measured by antibodies will not reflect this. If you are hiding in the basement eagerly following SD advice you still end up infected, which he shows in home country,Argentina, where the well off, cordoning 9 months with SD are now getting massively infected. By SD in the younger age groups we have only distorted the natural epidemic, too many non-infected in the younger age groups sustaining the epidemic. The older in care homes etc not being protected,on the contrary getting more infected and dying.

We missed an enormous opportunity not lifting all restrictions in April, letting the young get infected in summer instead of this winter. There are some strong hints of this fatal decision. Sweden is interesting. Their voluntarily SD was effective in the sense too few younger people infected. Everybody thought that HI might have been reached. Then this seasonal wave have been struck over the whole country, sparing no part even Stockholm and with increasing deaths in elderly. Indeed, the deaths in Sweden seems even more shifted to the old compared to the April peak. Now almost 90% are over 70 and even more over 90 are dying. It wouldn’t surprise me if something similar is happening in the UK.

It was easier when we followed flu pandemic scenarios. After the first wave all restrictions(if there were any) was lifted. Flu always spread in the summer but at a low level. Then the  second wave appeared both in Asiatic flu 1957 and in Hong Kong flu 1968.In some countries the second wave had higher deaths than the first one(Sweden). After the second (in many cases the seasonal winter wave as in the Northern hemisphere), then the flu became seasonal.

 This second (seasonal wave) will now affect many more and the death rates in care homes will be more as SD,lockdown only postponed the reckoning coming at the worst moment, winter time. The LD ,SD followers will have the worst of both worlds. Higher deaths and more cases in the worst period of the year. And the proponents of total easing of restrictions in May were stamped as barbarian Darwinists!

345471 ▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to swedenborg, #367 of 1794 🔗
344836 Will, replying to Will, 6, #368 of 1794 🔗

Did the ONS release the findings of an actual survey yesterday or is it still based on Ferguson’s dodgy modelling?

344865 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Will, 5, #369 of 1794 🔗

In my analysis of ONS-NHS data – most of it is dubious, I am reluctant to say junk, but none of it is verified and much of it does not make sense (even within data sets the numbers don’t add up and between data sets ie. a data set by month which is separate, does not add up to the yearly totals by death category etc etc).

So assume dodgy ++

344868 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 3, #370 of 1794 🔗

The ONS stopped publishing the most useful figure before Christmas, the number of people testing positive for the first time.

Given they were following the same people this stopped the multiple counting of people who tested positive for a period of months, because to state the obvious once you have tested positive for the first time, you can’t test positive for the first time again.

They give some dubious reasons for stopping publishing this, but the real reasons appear to be the dodginess of the PCR test and the figures not supporting the government propaganda.

The latest survey released yesterday is here

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/8january2021

344879 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #371 of 1794 🔗

How many nursing and care staff are there in the country ? They have to get tested weekly as do teachers and many others including Amazon staff.

344905 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to karenovirus, 3, #372 of 1794 🔗

Of course there is no breakdown in the government figures of ‘cases’ on the dashboard of where the positives are coming from. But it may be that most of them are from hospital patients and hospital staff.

That is why the ONS data (used with other good sources such as zoe) used to be quite useful, as it was community based.

That is before the ONS made a political decision (I can’t prove that but it seems likely) to stop publishing the new positives. The reason they give is they increased numbers and were no longer following a single cohort of people. But I would say if you change your methodology then that should be to improve the usefulness of information not worsen it.

344892 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #373 of 1794 🔗

With the caveats about the ONS data now being poor quality and biased in its presentation, here is their regional split. They say ‘continued to rise across all regions’ and then show a graph that shows it appearing to fall in some regions such as London

344926 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #374 of 1794 🔗

And the age profile suggests positives reducing in most age groups in particular the over 70s despite their strange wording about ‘increased in all age groups…’

344875 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 3, #375 of 1794 🔗

And in direct answer to your question the report says

This bulletin contains some data that were released early on Tuesday 5 January. This management information from the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey is made available to government decision makers to inform their response to COVID-19. Due to the national situation at the time, the public interest lay in early release of these numbers.

344839 Marg, replying to Marg, 42, #376 of 1794 🔗

How many times in your life have you been feeling unwell, only for the doctor to tell you it’s a virus, they prescribed, that you stay at home in the warm and drink plenty of fluid. Now when you have no symptoms, you are told you must stay at home and don’t pass the symptoms that you haven’t got on to anyone else. They both work – and we wonder if the world had gone mad or is it just us.

344863 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Marg, 13, #377 of 1794 🔗

Indeed. Herd thousands of people through Sainsbury’s but shut down everything else. Concentrate the ‘variants’ in one place. Apparently this is ‘safe’. Don’t allow dispersal of said variants. This is ‘unsafe’. Besides the data fraud, the non science behind their entire program is astounding. Diapers, shuttering, fake tests, false positives….

Belarus; 10 million people, 1000 dead from CV – no LD’s, no diapers, no shuttering. Why? Did CV make a deal with Lukashenko?

345364 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to FerdIII, #378 of 1794 🔗

Belarus is the smoking gun. Or WTC7.

345070 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to Marg, 8, #379 of 1794 🔗

I’ve been unwell twice with a virus both in February 2015 & 2016, visited my GP to be told it’s a virus and nothing can be done, just take paracetamol and rest. I felt dreadful for weeks, was tired, no taste, looked pale. My husband and my children didn’t pick it up. I had a few days off work but then went back as it was a new job and still on probation.
Now, I look back and the only reason I can see why I was ill was because I had the flu jab weeks previously. Never had the flu jab since and never had a virus since. Not sure if it’s just coincidence but it’s what I believe why I had the virus.
My daughter who has had several flu sprays at school over the years, had the flu after the spray and is always very ill; high temp, night terrors, sickness, sleepy. Once she was Ill at christmas and she wasn’t interested in presents, she just lay on the sofa. We stopped the flu spray two years ago and she’s not had the flu since.

345092 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lydia, 2, #380 of 1794 🔗

Despite having COPD and asthma, as well as being in my sixties, I have never taken the flu jab and never had flu.
I normally get a single text reminder from my GP but this year have been bombarded with more than a dozen over two months.

345169 ▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to karenovirus, 3, #381 of 1794 🔗

I only had the flu jab because I used to work for the NHS and we were encouraged to have it.
My husband received a text from the GP asking to him to have the flu jab so that he could receive the covid jab. He’s 52!! He politely replied ‘no thank you’

346402 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lydia, #382 of 1794 🔗

So that he could have the Covid jab ?

346262 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 1, #383 of 1794 🔗

Those who have supposedly died of Covid-19, whatever it is, will almost always have had vaccination against flu. The flu shot, was it seems a form of population control, that is aimed mainly at the elderly and the chronically ill ie those not usually engaged in productive work.

However, it appears that the globalist wanted to up the pace and hey presto, there is Covid-19. Covid does not seem to be too much by itself, so you could be forgiven for thinking, that it looks a lot like a repackaged flu, but best not to go down that rabbit hole for now. The real danger of Covid-19 lies in the vaccines and the globalist plans to vaccinate the whole world over, really seem to give thier game away.

The globalist softly softly game is over and that the long heralded cull of the masses, is taking place under the guise of the Covid-19 and specifically its vaccines. We allow ourselves to be injected, with these genetically modified concoctions, only at very grave peril.

345117 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lydia, 5, #384 of 1794 🔗

My Dad had the Flu jab 3 or 4 years ago and it made him super-ill. In bed for a week feeling terrible, then his problems developed into an absolutely agonising ear infection. It was terrible.
He hasn’t had “THE JAB” since as far as I know and I don’t think Mum has it either. I broached the COVID JAB issue and it’s possible they mignt not have it….hard to say wheather they will have it or not. At least I have tried to tell them it’s an insane idea to get it.

345157 ▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Two-Six, 2, #385 of 1794 🔗

My mum has the flu jab and never had any problems yet she’s not interested in having the covid jab which I’m pleased about. I’ve not influenced her, she cane to that day decision herself.

345124 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Marg, 12, #386 of 1794 🔗

Sat in GP surgery during winter 2018, usual coughs, sneezing, hacking and snuffling from the majority there (not me). Senior GP comes out into room and shouts “If you have temperature, cough and feel a bit rough go home, go to bed and take some Paracetamol and drink fluids”. Stunned silence.

345175 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to FenTyger, 4, #387 of 1794 🔗

Pity no one thinks like this anymore and feel that they’ve have to have a swab up their nose to be told they’re ill.

345600 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marg, 4, #388 of 1794 🔗

Now, if you have flu symptoms, you have to go out to a test centre and be told you are ill.

346065 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Marg, #389 of 1794 🔗

That’s good old fashioned common sense. Unfortunately it has been thrown out of the nearest airlock.

344843 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 7, #390 of 1794 🔗

A PR blitz is only needed when its not obvious. Stay in your homes to stop spreading covid or stop getting it?

344847 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to DanClarke, 14, #391 of 1794 🔗

I’d like to think this is their final push but you never know with cuntybollocks at the helm.

344848 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to DanClarke, 15, #392 of 1794 🔗

Indeed. If there were bodies piling up at morgues and everyone knew someone who was seriously ill or dead, would they need a massive PR blitz?

344852 ▶▶ Will, replying to DanClarke, 5, #393 of 1794 🔗

A PR blitz wouldn’t have helped the boy who cried wolf either. It is dodgy graphs of doom that have led to the lack of compliance. But, compliance or not, the lockdown won’t make any difference to the course of the virus unless the government get Wuhan on everyone’s arse and start welding people into their houses. Fortunately, it looks like endemic equilibrium is being restored but it is nature that is achieving it, not lockdown because no one is observing the lockdown.

344862 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 14, #394 of 1794 🔗

Spoke to someone who works in the retail part of a well know Optician.
People are phoning up for eye checks.

‘Anything wrong with your glasses ?’
“No”
‘Anything wrong with your eyesight?’
“No, we’re coming into town shopping and thought might as well get tested”

What they are doing is making sure they have something ‘essential’ to show dibble if they get pulled.

344853 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DanClarke, 6, #395 of 1794 🔗

‘The secret wonder weapon has arrived, stay in your bunkers until we can deliver it.
Final victory is just around the corner.’

344858 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to karenovirus, 6, #396 of 1794 🔗

The V2 Vaccine ?

344870 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FerdIII, 2, #397 of 1794 🔗

Oh very good FerdIII !

344876 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 7, #398 of 1794 🔗

Indeed. The Doodlejab. (Or was that V1?)

344955 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to karenovirus, 1, #399 of 1794 🔗

Unit 731

344874 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 3, #400 of 1794 🔗

Home is by far the best place to get it.

344886 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Annie, 7, #401 of 1794 🔗

Better than hospital? The GP wouldnt let my elderly uncle go into hospital said he was too vulnerable, sent a nurse out.

344891 ▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to DanClarke, 5, #402 of 1794 🔗

Good for that GP.

344859 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 21, #403 of 1794 🔗

Year to date number of deaths and age-standardised mortality rates, deaths registered between 1 January and 30 November 2001 to 2020, England
Year   Number of deaths Rate per 100,000 population
2001   454,756      1,227.9
2002   454,687      1,216.1
2003   454,801      1,207.8
2004   436,209      1,146.0
2005   437,603      1,134.7
2006   432,515      1,105.2
2007   429,654      1,082.7
2008   425,657      1,060.0
2009   416,450      1,018.3
2010   416,028      997.7
2011   412,119      968.0
2012   427,111       982.3
2013   433,578       979.5
2014   422,396       933.6
2015   452,814       985.6
2016   448,167       958.2
2017   456,588       959.8
2018   467,149       965.7
2019   452,084       915.0
2020   517,148       1,029.4

Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020 .

344866 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 4, #404 of 1794 🔗

4 worse years and 3 or 4 similar over two decades and nobody noticed.

344921 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to karenovirus, 3, #405 of 1794 🔗

Also pop ages 2% a year – so accounting for that, there is no statistically valid variation over 20 years.

344996 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FerdIII, 4, #406 of 1794 🔗

Like this

345059 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #407 of 1794 🔗

what does age standardised mean and where is this from?

345352 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Major Panic, 2, #408 of 1794 🔗

They have presented the figures to show what the mortality rate would have been if the age-structure of the population had been the same over the whole period from 2001 to 2020. This makes comparisons over time more meaningful. In this case, they have “age-standardised” to the 2013 European Standard Population. I think this is an accepted way of presenting mortality statistics, as it removes the effect of changes in the age-structure of the population.

While 2020 is out of kilter with the preceding 10 years, it is not at all out of kilter with the 9 years before then.

345359 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to karenovirus, #409 of 1794 🔗

Quite!

344880 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 8, #410 of 1794 🔗

2019 is a very obvious anomaly, with people who would normally be expected to die then hanging-on for an extra year.

344967 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ossettian, #411 of 1794 🔗

Was it a good flu vaccine year?

345050 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to OKUK, #412 of 1794 🔗

It was a good or mild year or they got the flu jab a bit more right than in some years.

345353 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Ossettian, #413 of 1794 🔗

Yes, very anomalous. Weather might also have been a factor, if it was an unusually mild winter.

345605 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #414 of 1794 🔗

It was!

344888 ▶▶ TC, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #415 of 1794 🔗

Thank you.
I’ve saved that to my laptop.
It may be useful when talking to theother side.

344889 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #416 of 1794 🔗

Even if there was no “pandemic” the 2010s rate of death couldn’t last for ever. No one wants to think about about but the lifetime (~100 year) rate of death is 100,000 per 100,000.

344980 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 7, #417 of 1794 🔗

the rate per 100,000 population is interesting…..

2016, 2017 & 2018 are approx 960k

2019 is 45k below this average and 220 is 70k above this average

so deduct from 2020 the 25k plus non covid deaths resulting from lockdown and the average deaths over 2019 and 2020 is 960k the same as 2016 through to 2018

seems the deadliest thing in 2020 was lockdown!

345001 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #418 of 1794 🔗

ignore the k’s or there will be no one left, got muddled

344997 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #419 of 1794 🔗

Is this ageing adjusted?

345337 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to frankfrankly, #420 of 1794 🔗

Yes, it is “Age-standardised to the 2013 European Standard Population.”

345002 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 4, #421 of 1794 🔗

I made these animated graphs back in the Autumn, with the Jan-Oct figures. It seems that in earlier years, as in 2002, the excesses were more sustained, whereas in April we had a short, sharp shock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqXgoMjKpH4&feature=youtu.be

345289 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #422 of 1794 🔗

and, looking at the source, the chart of this data is spun:
Figure 6: The mortality rate for January to November 2020 is significantly higher than the same period in each of the last 10 years” !!

344869 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 27, #423 of 1794 🔗

The link in the round up sections

Message to the Prime Minister about Ivermectin ” has now been banned on youtube. Thankfully I’d just watch it, then for some reason refreshed it shortly afterwards to see it’s been banned. All the doctor said on this 3 minute video was she had examined the 27 Ivermectin studies and believes the UK government should take a serious look at this drug.

NOW ANY DOUBTERS LEFT ON THIS THREAD WHO STILL BELIEVE THIS IS ABOUT THE VIRUS.

344910 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Andrew K, 5, #424 of 1794 🔗

From the months of studies, Ivermectin is well proven to work. I doubt Youtube employees are trained to evaluate medical procedures, so should not be censoring anything related to medical treatments.

345314 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Andrew K, #425 of 1794 🔗

Astonishing. Wonder how long this will stay up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOAh7GtvcOs

344872 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 2, #426 of 1794 🔗

Tiergartenstrasse4, what made them think of the word Tier for what they are doing?

344920 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to DanClarke, 1, #427 of 1794 🔗

Maybe we are part of an intergalactic zoo. Must be amusing for the aliens to watch our misery.

344883 Tim Bidie, 31, #428 of 1794 🔗

I wrote the following to my MP yesterday:

‘Thank you very much for your response.

I am surprised that you do not understand why we should be ashamed in this country that a Republic (Bosnia Supreme Court judgement that lockdown breaches human rights) formed out of a recent bloody struggle for independence has more concern for the human rights of its citizens than we do for those of our own citizens in this country, particularly our most vulnerable citizens.

You may have previously noted Amnesty International’s comments:

‘The UK government, national agencies, and local-level bodies have taken decisions and adopted policies during the COVID-19 pandemic that have directly violated the human rights of older residents of care homes in England—notably their right to life, their right to health, and their right to non-discrimination’

I am also surprised that you do not understand the importance of the Portuguese court judgement concerning the inutility of the PCR test, living, as we both are, in a country whose system of law is based on precedent.

Nevertheless, there are many surprising things about these days.

The argument that we should not have any restrictions to keep infections as low as we can so the NHS can cope with the surge whilst the vaccines are rolled out has certainly never been made by me and I am sure that you do not suggest that it has been. I support Lord Sumption in his proposal that we protect the most vulnerable; always have done.

Nationwide lockdowns do not work. There is no body of work, data, that shows national lockdowns make any difference to the spread of the SARS CoV 2 virus.

We are in a lockdown because government interventions have both reduced the number of hospital beds available and the number of hospital staff available.

Lockdowns ruin businesses, livelihoods, lives, here and overseas, returning hundreds of millions of people to extreme poverty as stated by the U.N.

My daughter has had covid 19, mild symptoms, shrugged it off.

I myself have contracted pneumonia twice from the common cold, once on military service, aged 19, as fit as I have ever been. That will always continue to happen to the unfortunate few:

”More than just a common cold: Endemic coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, NL63, and 229E associated with severe acute respiratory infection and fatality cases among healthy adults’

Journal of Medical Virology 28 July 2020

Once you understand that the PCR test is the problem, confirmed by the lateral flow tests in Kent on 15500 lorry drivers, 36 positives, at a time when the new mutant highly contagious and lethal ‘Kent covid’ was apparently rampant, then you understand everything…..and it will become clear, sooner or later.

‘The NHS is facing a winter crisis which has more to do with bed management and broader policy decisions than Covid itself, although the latter will be contributing as well, because it is winter and we must now regard Covid as an endemic disease (like flu), hopefully to be mitigated to an extent by vaccination.

We may find that the mix of the predominant winter respiratory viruses has changed to have a different character and whether this is permanent remains to be seen. However, the overall impact on healthcare and on the number of lives lost is not, and will not be, that different’

https://lockdownsceptics.org/what-does-endemic-covid-look-like/

‘Being a new variant (i.e. R > 1) it is naturally growing faster (by 70%) but only relative to its predecessor, which is now past its peak and on the wane (i.e. R < 1). You cannot logically infer from this relative growth rate anything about transmissibility. It is even possible that this new S-dropout variant could be less transmissible than its predecessor was when it was in its ascendancy back in Sep-Oct. Whilst positive tests are growing fast, this can be wholly explained by the increase in testing (+36% from November 4th to December 21st). Positivity is even down slightly compared to a month ago.’

https://lockdownsceptics.org/the-glitch-that-stole-christmas/

Yours etc

344893 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #429 of 1794 🔗

The knives are definitely being sharpened.

The Guardian: Students quit free speech campaign over role of Toby Young-founded group.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jan/09/students-quit-free-speech-campaign-over-role-of-toby-young-founded-group

344903 ▶▶ l835, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #430 of 1794 🔗

Reading it, seems they quit as it wasn’t woke enough?

344957 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to l835, 3, #431 of 1794 🔗

Yep. Strange really. Sounds like they have been paid to speak up, which they probably have.

344968 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #432 of 1794 🔗

Agreed, they want to defend free speech but not that of

“ More than 80% of the 85 directors, staff and advisers listed on the FSU website are male and more than 90% of those whose ethnicity could be determined are white.”

345014 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to l835, 7, #433 of 1794 🔗

White man, attacks white man, for being a white man.

345570 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #434 of 1794 🔗

…in a Northern European country. I wonder if such a body in, say, Nigeria would be similarly attacked for having 90% of its staff being black?

344894 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #435 of 1794 🔗

Fancy escaping to SA sun for a surf? Watch out for the hand grenade throwing police!!

https://magicseaweed.com/news/police-throwing-stun-grenades-at-surfers-to-scare-them-out-of-the-water-in/12223/

The writer gets a deserved roasting for supporting the police actions.

344992 ▶▶ alw, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #436 of 1794 🔗

Meanwhile law-abiding white farmers providing the nation’s food get attacked or murdered on a daily basis. So much easier to lob a few stun grenades at surfers who are a danger to no one rather than doing the job. Mind you so many of the SA Police now have little if any education and much of their behaviour egged on by ANC and EFF.

345010 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to alw, 3, #437 of 1794 🔗

Well yeah, we are talking about a police force that make no secret of taking bribes

345072 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #438 of 1794 🔗

Indeed.

345133 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PoshPanic, #439 of 1794 🔗

For me, the vid in question won’t load. Been removed?

344898 chaos, replying to chaos, 23, #440 of 1794 🔗

What is the actual end game?
How is Boris still our PM?
How come only 16 MP’s voted against lockdown?

344915 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to chaos, 18, #441 of 1794 🔗

Swayne said it best in Parliament in December. He said most sitting there were stupid. Doris watches polls, if the sheeple bleat to eat horse shit, Doris will have Deliveroo serve it to your door. None of them understand data, science, micron sized viruses, or even what a vaxx does.

344929 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to FerdIII, 5, #442 of 1794 🔗

or if they do understand any of it most really don’t care all that much.

344956 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to FerdIII, 6, #443 of 1794 🔗

Am reading the Johnson biog by Tom Bowers. I think you’re right.

345019 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to OKUK, 7, #444 of 1794 🔗

Stanley hit Boris’ mum and had the young au pairs walk round naked. He was fucking one of them. Boris will have seen some or all of this.

345067 ▶▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to chaos, 3, #445 of 1794 🔗

Explains a lot .

344904 chaos, replying to chaos, 14, #446 of 1794 🔗

Don’t go outside but do stay inside in winter with granny (and kids at school) by open windows.

You all know there is no end to this right?

344917 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to chaos, 12, #447 of 1794 🔗

The vaccine is the light at the end of the tunnel for most sheeple, how long though before thats replaced by something else? And the penny still won’t drop.

344912 quodcumque, replying to quodcumque, 52, #448 of 1794 🔗

It seems Derbyshire Police have climbed down from fining two women for the perfectly legal activity of going for a walk near their homes. The worst thing about the climb-down is that it is being credited to “new national guidelines”, as if it only became unacceptable a few hours ago for the police to punish people for doing things that aren’t actually illegal. Apparently they don’t concern themselves with the law any more but with preventing what is “not in the spirit of the national effort to reduce our travel, reduce the possible spread of the disease and reduce the number of deaths”. What else is not in the spirit? Am I now required to display a child’s painting of a rainbow in my window, and hang a facemask from my rear view mirror like a set of rosary beads? Should I still be constantly telling everyone to stay safe or can I occasionally get away with a less orthodox “good evening”? Should I be ending every conversation about covid by saying, “after all it is a very serious disease”? Am I permitted to take my mask off when I go to bed as long as I promise to put it back on first thing and wear it when I’m out walking, driving alone, travelling around my home, showering etc? Am I permitted to exercise in my garden or would it be more in keeping with the spirit of the rules to stay a bit more local? How many bottles of hand-sanitiser should I be getting through each day? If I only manage one, is that still within the spirit of our national crusade? Should I be on Twitter each evening demanding the imprisonment of anyone who suggests this virus might not be quite as deadly as the Black Death? How much of each day should I be spending at my window with a pair of binoculars making sure my neighbours don’t receive any visitors I don’t recognise? And, importantly, what beverages am I permitted to consume? Not coffee, obviously, because that is classified as a picnic. Tea maybe? Laudanum? If I now have to act within the spirit of our new national religion, and not simply follow the law, I feel I need a little more guidance.

344954 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to quodcumque, 16, #449 of 1794 🔗

If someone says “stay safe” I respond with “stay free” although the use of stay in either context is somewhat moot.

345008 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to OKUK, 6, #450 of 1794 🔗

“be free?”

345257 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to OKUK, 6, #451 of 1794 🔗

I used to respond with “Stay sane”, but it’s too late for that now.

344986 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to quodcumque, 4, #452 of 1794 🔗

Print off their facebook post admitting there’s no limit to how far you can travel for exercise and show it if/when you get stopped.

https://www.facebook.com/derbyshireconstabulary/posts/10159276877533000

345030 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to quodcumque, 6, #453 of 1794 🔗

I have a few friends who are trail runners, basically multi marathons in the mountains. One favourite fuel injection along the way, isn’t an energy drink that sponsors of the events provide, but a sugary coffee.

344913 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 6, #454 of 1794 🔗

See Bill Gates is trying to buy the world’s largest private jet company !!

344925 ▶▶ New name old face, replying to DanClarke, 3, #455 of 1794 🔗

Is he now… how interesting!

345020 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to DanClarke, 3, #457 of 1794 🔗

He’ll probably claim they’re needed to deliver all the vaccines to poor people.

344936 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to DanClarke, 8, #458 of 1794 🔗

His buddy, Mr Buffett owns NetJets. A group of individuals building their own country, with transport links, medical care and technology. Nice!

344944 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 5, #459 of 1794 🔗

Own country, wonder where that is!

344985 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to DanClarke, 3, #460 of 1794 🔗

They already have their ready-made ‘King of the World’ to act as figurehead.

345254 ▶▶▶▶ New name old face, replying to DanClarke, 2, #461 of 1794 🔗

I understand a couple of “philanthropists” have got citizenship in Cyprus.

344966 ▶▶ iane, replying to DanClarke, 5, #462 of 1794 🔗

And most of us are just happy with a single private jet: this one-upmanship is so much the thing nowadays!

344987 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, 6, #463 of 1794 🔗

Growth industry.All the other airlines will go bankrupt soon

344914 TC, 8, #464 of 1794 🔗

The new face of the police to come?

344919 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 17, #465 of 1794 🔗

The NHS Hospital & Community Health Service (HCHS) had a headcount of 1,313,765 in September 2020. This was 4.2% (53,012) more than in September 2019. This is the figure for England, and does not include primary care staff.

Professionally qualified clinical staff made up over half of the HCHS workforce (618,858 FTE) in September 2020. This was 4.6% (27,146) more than in September 2019.

Source: https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/nhs-workforce-statistics/september-2020

The NHS has an operating budget of around £201.7 billion in 2020/21 (which includes an additional £52bn of funding in 2020/21 for Covid-19).

Source: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget

A healthcare organisation with, possibly, more resources than almost any other healthcare organisation in the world.

A failure of strategic planning and corporate governance?

344927 ▶▶ l835, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 7, #466 of 1794 🔗

Yes, it’s run by clinicians who aren’t managers, and managers who aren’t clinicians. Neither understands the others needs, so throw money at the least suitable solution.

345004 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #467 of 1794 🔗

undoubtedly

345287 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #468 of 1794 🔗

Superb management! And the bonuses are also great!

344928 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #469 of 1794 🔗

Found this on Twitter and worth sharing (apologies for the small print – you will have to save this on your computer to be able to zoom in to read):

344962 ▶▶ iane, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #470 of 1794 🔗

Quite shocking – but of course quite predictable (just the sort of thing many of us here warned about from Day Zero!).

But the super-rich will inherit the Earth [so that’s all right then].

344975 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to iane, 4, #471 of 1794 🔗

It is shocking and shows how lockdowns disproportionately hurt the poor.

345134 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #472 of 1794 🔗

“You can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs” D. Rumsfeld
Collateral damage innit.

345142 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #473 of 1794 🔗

Thanks for that. It looks like every point there has it’s source referenced – wasn’t any sign of that information I guess?

345286 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #474 of 1794 🔗

We need to save NHS! 🙂

344930 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #475 of 1794 🔗

Our Toby heads up my Google feed this morning

344946 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 5, #476 of 1794 🔗

You know you are saying and doing the right thing when you pop up on the Ghastly Globalists’ radar…

344932 dpj, replying to dpj, 3, #477 of 1794 🔗

Not seen this posted before but quite shockingly accurate for the BBC!

Are Covid patients getting younger? – BBC News

344947 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to dpj, 8, #478 of 1794 🔗

More hysteria, from younger people who test positive, think they feel breathless, go to hospital, are registered as an admission, couple of hours later told they are ok to go home.

345015 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to DanClarke, 6, #479 of 1794 🔗

i was prone to panic attacks when I was younger. Curiously, a panic attack can be halted by breathing into a paper bag. This increases the amount of carbon dioxide in your bloodstream while reducing the level of oxygen. Pointing out this simple fact in the case of other face coverings is now, however, conspiracy theory.

345043 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #480 of 1794 🔗

Are you sure it wasn’t a tin foil bag?

344942 OKUK, 18, #481 of 1794 🔗

Isn’t Bob good?

344950 Julian, replying to Julian, 23, #482 of 1794 🔗

Disappointing yet again to see so prominently above the line mentions of increasing “cases” and “deaths” when we all know both figures are meaningless and probably deliberately constructed to spread fear and support a narrative.

Most of us below the line know this, but for the sleepy-minded curious folk who read these pages for the first time or follow LS but don’t go much further, it just perpetuates the false paradigm that covid is something exceptional about which Something Must Be Done.

Editorial team – please please please caveat “cases” and “deaths” always, or better still don’t mention them and focus on the true facts (hospitals NOT overwhelmed, all-cause deaths unexceptional, lockdowns don’t stop viruses)

344972 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Julian, 8, #483 of 1794 🔗

The tone above the line has changed since the 2 new boys started.

I wonder who they are and who else employs them.

344981 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ossettian, 6, #484 of 1794 🔗

I am sure they mean well but I think it’s devilishly hard for anyone to write about this stuff without falling into the trap of sticking to the frame of reference that has been drummed into us relentlessly.

345011 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Julian, 3, #485 of 1794 🔗

Careless talk costs lives. Loose lips sink ships. Language is important.

345027 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #486 of 1794 🔗

Language is crucial – cf Newspeak.

344951 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 21, #487 of 1794 🔗

Well I will be putting everybody’s life at risk when I selfishly go out to Crystal Palace Park later with my family. Hope the great SAGE can forgive me and I don’t get accosted by the Gestapo for eating an oat bar. Wish me luck or forgive me..I forgot what the government told us this morning. And remember Fear Obey,Clap!!

344970 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #488 of 1794 🔗

Everytime Ive been up there past couple of weeks, its been packed.
Enjoy =]

344984 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Thomas_E, 14, #489 of 1794 🔗

I’l be going up on Dartmoor. May see a soul somewhere in the distance.

I’ll still be spreading covid though and putting everyone’s lives at risk, especially if I’m out for more than an hour or carrying a drink..

And people still take this seriously??

345190 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #490 of 1794 🔗

Don’t you dare stop to look at the dinosaurs. That’s not essential.

344959 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #491 of 1794 🔗

Its about investors of vaccines, PPE ++ We are all commodities now

344983 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to DanClarke, 4, #492 of 1794 🔗

This is a repeat of the commodities volatility that happened in 2008 as the MBS pyramid was crashing. Speculators moving to adjacent markets and creating bubbles in them purely to try and generate cash.

Now we have Big Pharma as the sovereign debt bubble is starting to crack. The newest run up in crypto is another sign.

345009 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to mhcp, 5, #493 of 1794 🔗

Agree. Follow the smart money and listen to what the old hands are doing. Carl Icahn is warning, so is Jeremy Grantham (he has been too early, but it’s the early bird who catches the worm). These guys are in their 80s and remember the 1973/74 crash, as well as the 1987 and 1999/2000. I’m watching the sell-off in the 10 year US Treasury closely.

345056 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, 2, #494 of 1794 🔗

I keep wondering when – and it is when – the cracks in the financial markets will begin to appear.

344961 TJN, replying to TJN, 21, #495 of 1794 🔗

Link in today’s Round-up to an article in The Times about “Boris Johnson was the last man standing over Covid schools closures” – It took the combined forces of Matt Hancock, Michael Gove and Chris Whitty to force Boris into a third lockdown, according to the Times

I can’t read it because I don’t want to register. But Whitty is a Civil Servant and Hancock an intellectual irrelevance. Liar Johnson is, of course, merely a weakling.

 That leaves Gove. We shouldn’t underestimate how much of this shitshow lies at Gove’s door.

344969 ▶▶ alw, replying to TJN, 7, #496 of 1794 🔗

Correct

344977 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TJN, 19, #497 of 1794 🔗

More spin for libertarian Boris.Its always someone else’s fault.
He is the Prime Minister and responsible for lockdown

344994 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #498 of 1794 🔗

Yes – spin – there may well be a lot in that. But I still think he’s weak and will be driven by those around him. Hardly a Thatcher or Churchill is he.

345077 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #499 of 1794 🔗

100%

345018 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 4, #500 of 1794 🔗

As mentioned earlier vallance whitty and ferguson have power only at the rulers whim.
They can be cast aside why they lose his favour like any strumpet or catamite.

345713 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to TJN, 1, #501 of 1794 🔗

His real name is Michael Govid.

344963 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #502 of 1794 🔗

Guidance on lockdown laws for the police

https://paas-s3-broker-prod-lo

344965 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Tom Blackburn, #503 of 1794 🔗

Doesn’t want to open.

345062 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #505 of 1794 🔗

Thank you. Looking at the guidelines the police arresting a 94-year-old earlier this week obviously hadn’t read the guidance. Are the Police able to read?

345242 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to alw, 2, #506 of 1794 🔗

Graduate entrants: “Yes just about” (but don’t);
The rest: “No”.

344964 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 22, #507 of 1794 🔗

In Kidderminster at the moment: Relatively busy.
“Stay at home or else say the government”.
Got to say: “Not going well”.

345036 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Fingerache Philip, 12, #508 of 1794 🔗

Chorley very quiet. Masks everywhere, indoors and out.
People shaking their heads at me outdoors when they see me without a mask.
I could shake my head at them, but it’s a waste of energy.

On the plus side, the butcher is voicing sceptical opinions, and he must talk to a lot of people in the course of a working day. Just give him half a lead-in and he’s away on the subject of misdiagnosis, accuracy of testing etc. and everyone around is getting the benefit of his views.

345083 ▶▶ WilliamC, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #509 of 1794 🔗

I live near a large cemetery in Manchester. There was a big funeral there yesterday. Lots of people, all ages, standing close to each other, chatting, hugging, very few masks. It looked almost… normal.

344978 mhcp, 16, #510 of 1794 🔗

You can tell that the government and advisors have disappeared up into an M C Escher carvern of arseholes when what the claimed worked for Lockdown 1 is not being reapplied.

As standard logic goes, if we are told Lockdown 1 worked in dramatically reducing viral deaths then we should do the same thing and follow the same measures.

It’s clear from Whitty Logic however(after all he did say lockdowns worked even though 25 studies from various groups looking at things in different ways said otherwise) that Lockdown 1 measures both work and now don’t work

After all are we not now seeing Lockdown 1 case levels??? But now we have to do things differently.

This is what happens when ACADEMICS and THEORISTS run anything. Alice in fucking Wonderland.

344979 Julian, 3, #511 of 1794 🔗

Very dispirited to receive this:

Back to Normal Campaign Funding

We have just passed £2,000. Thank you to all our contributors. It is much appreciated and helps keep the website, card production, delivery and administration going!

344990 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 2, #512 of 1794 🔗

Apologies for this long post but some here have shown examples of their MP being obstructive or not replying when questioned. Although mine fully supports lockdown, he always replies to me patiently and in detail. I cannot fault him on this. Here is his take on testing.

In the case of COVID-19, infection is most commonly detected by using a reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR); a test that detects viral genetic material. PCR tests are used to directly detect the presence of an antigen, rather than the presence of the body’s immune response, or antibodies. [1] That is only possible if the virus is there and someone is actively infected. By detecting viral RNA, which will be present in the body before antibodies form or symptoms of the disease are present, the tests can tell whether or not someone has the virus very early on. By scaling PCR testing to screen vast amounts of samples from within a population, public health officials can get a clearer picture of the spread of a disease like Covid-19 within a population.
Preliminary estimates for the current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK it could be somewhere between 0.8 per cent and 4.0 per cent. [2] The tests are also understood to produce false negatives in between 2 and 29 per cent of cases. [3] [4] This demonstrates that if there should be any concern around the PCR tests, it is that it is more likely to allow infected people a feeling of false security than to force uninfected people to isolate. [5]
On Lateral Flow Testing, this continues to provide the quickest outcomes without needing laboratory testing. PCR tests are still considered the gold standard, but as we know some settings require sharp turnaround. In 99.68 per cent of cases, people without the virus received a negative result, which means that the proportion of false positives is very small – however, in approximately 23.2 per cent of cases, people who do have the virus receive a negative result. [6]
Lateral Flow Testing is particularly valuable for infected people who are asymptomatic, because these people would not opt for a test as a matter of course. Between one in three and one in four people with the virus are asymptomatic so identifying these people is also vital in stopping the spread. [7]
I believe it is vital that we make use of the full extent of our testing capacity, including both PCR and lateral flow testing, to understand as much as possible about the virus and its prevalence in the community. [8]
I know that scientists and researchers in this area will continue to work to maximise accuracy, and ensure that data reflects that some results may not be correct. However, I would also underline that these tests have been rigorously tested themselves before being approved for use, and they are a vital source of data as we continue to work to combat this virus. I will continue to follow this issue closely.

[1] guidance-and-sop-covid-19-virus-testing-in-nhs-laboratories-v1.pdf (england.nhs.uk)
[2] False-positive COVID-19 results: hidden problems and costs – The Lancet Respiratory Medicine
[3] Ibid.
[4] What are the different types of Covid-19 test and how do they work? (medicaldevice-network.com)
[5] Interpreting a covid-19 test result (bmj.com)
[6] Covid-19: Lateral flow tests miss over half of cases, Liverpool pilot data show | The BMJ
[7] Lateral flow testing – new rapid tests to detect COVID-19 – Public health matters (blog.gov.uk)
[8] Report template – NHSI website (england.nhs.uk)

345082 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #513 of 1794 🔗

If tests are rigorously tested then let’s see the data and the verified FPR. Let’s see the qualified testing procedures including the enviromental requirements (handling, cleanliness, ambient environment etc).

He’s just parroting what he’s been told but he’s making a claim here. So let’s see the receipts.

345147 ▶▶ leggy, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #514 of 1794 🔗

That is only possible if the virus is there and someone is actively infected. By detecting viral RNA, which will be present in the body before antibodies form or symptoms of the disease are present, the tests can tell whether or not someone has the virus very early on.

That’s just completely wrong. If any fragments of viral RNA are found in the upper respiratory tract, it can very easily be that the bodies first line of immune defence has defeated it.

344991 Dame Lynet, replying to Dame Lynet, 8, #515 of 1794 🔗

Dear Lord, that video was an uncomfortable watch (to put it mildly), but I made myself watch all of it.

I fervently hope many watch it and it concentrates minds regarding the path we are on.

345000 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dame Lynet, 5, #516 of 1794 🔗

Presumably you mean Thug Police Scotland invading that womans house?
If so, quite so.

345105 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to karenovirus, 4, #517 of 1794 🔗

Yes, I hope it gives potential snitches serious food for thought.

345174 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Dame Lynet, 5, #518 of 1794 🔗

Make sure to watch the video at the bottom showing the police sitting in a group of four indoors without masks. When questioned by [a very brave] individual, typically they become confrontational and it seems they started looking for reasons to arrest him as the camera cuts.

345215 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to J4mes, 3, #519 of 1794 🔗

Yes, I have also watched that one; it confirms my fears about the path we may be on.

On a different forum a poster showed that to her husband and he started coming out with all kinds of ludicrous ‘reasons’ as to why they weren’t following the rules, rather than the obvious, well-documented one of the rules don’t apply to them they merely enforce them.

Hence my fears.

346460 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Dame Lynet, #520 of 1794 🔗

Dame Lynet, I feel aggrieved to suggest that your fears may fall short of the terrible events that lie ahead of us if the public do not push back. Best advice I can give is to prepare for the worst and hope the best.

344998 Ovis, 7, #521 of 1794 🔗

Greetings, dear fellow sceptics. It’s time for us all to mask up to ensure the ultimate victory!

(Obviously that’s bollocks. I just wanted to pre-empt the half dozen or so posts pushing that crap that we’re likely to see over the course of the day).

344999 MikeMayUK, 3, #522 of 1794 🔗

It was either this or ban all PPE graduates from joining political parties:

http://chng.it/Nyf67YtdwV

345007 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 19, #523 of 1794 🔗

History repeats itself?

I am speaking to you from a metal cabinet at 10 Old Bill Street. This morning the Lockdownsceptics ambassador in Westminster handed the UK government a final note stating that unless we heard from them by 11 o’clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from the streets, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently the UK government is at war with its people.

You can imagine what a bitter blow it is to me that all my long struggle to win peace has failed. Yet I cannot believe that there is anything more, or anything different, that I could have done and that would have been more successful. Up to the very last it would have been quite possible to have arranged a peaceful and honourable settlement between the British government and its people. But Herr Johnson would not have it. He had evidently made up his mind to attack the people of Britain whatever happened, and although he now says he put forward reasonable proposals which were rejected by the people of Britain, that is not a true statement. The proposals were never discussed with the people, nor the parliament, and though they were announced in the BBC on Friday night, Johnson did not wait to hear comments on them, but ordered his storm troopers onto the streets of Britain the next morning.

His action shows convincingly that there is no chance of expecting that this man will ever give up his practice of using force to gain his will. He can only be stopped by force.

We have a clear conscience. We have done all that any group could do to establish peace. But the situation in which no word given by the UK government could be trusted, and no people or country could feel itself free from tyranny, has become intolerable. And now that we have resolved to finish it, I know that you will all play your part with calmness and courage.

345016 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Old Bill, 1, #524 of 1794 🔗

WE WANT WINSTON’
‘WE WANT WINSTON
“WE WANT WINSTON !”

345038 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to karenovirus, 5, #525 of 1794 🔗

Well, now we are all WINSTON {Smith, that is!}. And the cuddly Room 101 awaits – surely the light at the end of our tunnels.

346409 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to iane, #526 of 1794 🔗

I`ve just watched that film.

345022 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Old Bill, 4, #527 of 1794 🔗

Ready to play my part.

Btw did you know joanna cherry mp has suggested plan b for her scottish independence is to replicate the 1916 easter up where 400 odd people died in the armed conflict that spawned The Troubles. Another snp mp /msp recently said publicly they are willing to fight to tge death for their cause. Not a fidget out of policing thinking this is poor form.

So, I am ready old Bill Churchill.

345013 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 32, #528 of 1794 🔗

Last week I complained to the BBC about their reporting of the “blood on hands” comment. Today I received this:

This is an update to apologise to you that although we normally aim to reply to most complaints within 2 weeks, we are currently dealing with a higher than normal volume of cases. This means it will take a little longer to reply to you at present. We hope you understand that this is why we are unable to respond within our normal service times.

Higher than normal volume of complaints ? Good.

345032 ▶▶ iane, replying to kh1485, 8, #529 of 1794 🔗

I note, however, that it is no longer ‘complaints’; now it is ‘cases’!

345035 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to iane, 13, #530 of 1794 🔗

but it is only a case if they respond within 28 days of a positive complaint

345065 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to iane, 3, #531 of 1794 🔗

Yes, just realised – read at speed and didn’t notice the crafty insertion of the case word!

345361 ▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to kh1485, 5, #532 of 1794 🔗

On BBC news app today, photo of elderly man in hospital bed, nurse nearby, both wearing those blue masks, his covering most of his face.  This surely can’t be good clinical practice for a person with a respiratory illness so staged photo?

345522 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cotton Wool, 4, #533 of 1794 🔗

A hospital patient on the ward is not required to wear a face covering.

345023 mj, replying to mj, 17, #534 of 1794 🔗

i used to enjoy Picnic bars when i was younger .
Are these still legal or will i get fined by the police for eating one?
and does it make a difference if i eat it inside or outside. ?
And if i am outside do i have to stand still or can i walk?
And if i walk, how far can i walk whilst eating it?
And what if i also have a coffee with it?
It is all so confusing these days.

345037 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to mj, 1, #535 of 1794 🔗

It needs to be drunk, not eaten. Obvious, innit?

345073 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mj, 1, #536 of 1794 🔗

Probably best to sneakily eat it in your car.

345163 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to mj, #537 of 1794 🔗

You should them out to any plod you see!

345251 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to mj, 4, #538 of 1794 🔗

we’re Twix-ed a rock and a hard place.

345280 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TyRade, 1, #539 of 1794 🔗

Any more of this confected humour, and there will be Snickers all round.

345285 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #540 of 1794 🔗

Mars, the war god, may intervene.

345031 Robin Andrews, replying to Robin Andrews, 8, #541 of 1794 🔗

Stop reporting numbers of positive cases or positive cases per 100,000. It is completely meaningless. You either need a fixed number of tests for daily comparison, or to give results as a percentage positive. See the graph for the number of tests carried out daily. Now think how this graphs adds context to the number of positive cases reported. Please help to stop this crisis of numeracy and the insane fallout it produces.

345109 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Robin Andrews, 4, #542 of 1794 🔗

Quite. someone posted a week or so ago, the UK & US have something like 40%+ of the world’s “cases” between them. they have approx. 5% of the world’s population between them.

345113 ▶▶ davews, replying to Robin Andrews, 4, #543 of 1794 🔗

We are now over 1,000/100k in our small town. Don’t know a single person who actually has it.

345218 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Robin Andrews, 2, #544 of 1794 🔗

Exactly. When Bolton was the first town to be subjected to a local lockdown back in the early summer, comparable weekly ‘+ve case’ figures/100k justifying the lockdown were published in the Manchester Evening News. It was immediately apparent that the quoted weekly figures were simply an extrapolation of total +ve cases relative to the total population for the Bolton local authority area. As the population is a constant figure, it was obvious to anyone with basic maths skills that the reported increase in +ve cases was simply because more tests were being done. No attempt had been made to work out the weekly +ve cases as a fraction or % of the tests done over the same period and then extrapolate a figure per 100k population.

I wrote to Gtr Manchester Mayor, Andy Burnham’s, offices to draw this basic ‘schoolboy’ error to their attention but it clearly made no difference and I received no acknowledgement. From research at the time I discovered that the same approach was being taken in working out ‘infection rates’ in all local authority areas nationwide. I suspect that is still the case: according to the government, more tests = more positives = increasing infection rates. So targeted testing was inevitably going to lead disingenuously to a ‘higher infection rate’.

345253 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Robin Andrews, 3, #545 of 1794 🔗

Stop talking about “cases” altogether as it just validates the whole bullshit narrative

345034 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 6, #546 of 1794 🔗

Wtf is the “spirit of Lockdown” ?
Passed my local test centre. Poster saying “if you have symptoms of Coronavirus please do not enter.”
Obviously, if you want to know if you have Coronavirus, enter.
“You’ve tested positive. Didn’t you read the poster, you F ing disease vector?”

345044 ▶▶ mj, replying to PatrickF, 6, #547 of 1794 🔗

because they only want to test people who do not have symptoms – as my council keeps telling me . obvious innit??

345075 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to PatrickF, 6, #548 of 1794 🔗

What happened to “don’t get tested unless you have symptoms”?

345104 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #549 of 1794 🔗

Good health makes a lot of sense. it does not make a lot of money!

345150 ▶▶ CGL, replying to PatrickF, #550 of 1794 🔗

I think it must be something akin to the 3rd ghost in a Christmas Carol?

345154 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PatrickF, 2, #551 of 1794 🔗

You jest surely. They can’t really say that at a test centre. Can they?

345458 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to PatrickF, #552 of 1794 🔗

mines vodka

345041 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 15, #553 of 1794 🔗

I thought this site was sceptical but if you have (a) a Telegraph subscription and (b) time on your hands , the comments (over 2000 and rising) to https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/09/crackdown-planned-covid-deaths-hit-record-high/ are uber sceptical. The proposed crackdown is not going down well.

345045 ▶▶ iane, replying to arfurmo, 4, #554 of 1794 🔗

Yes – the same is true with the occasional article on Trump for which comments are allowed!

345053 ▶▶ mj, replying to arfurmo, 6, #555 of 1794 🔗

if you dont subscribe you can still view the article by disabling javascipt for the site. However you cannot then see the comments as that needs javascript

345087 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to mj, 4, #556 of 1794 🔗

All you need to do is to press the “Esc” key immediately after clicking the “Reload” icon. The comments are then all revealed. You may need to practice a little to get the timing correct, but it works well.

345101 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to mj, #557 of 1794 🔗

That sounds like something Handycock would do.

345046 l835, replying to l835, 29, #558 of 1794 🔗

As Ken Dodd might have said… What a wonderful morning this is to stop a constable and ask them how their career in politics is going…

345099 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to l835, 6, #559 of 1794 🔗

Great one. Scottish Plod may appreciate this ( in between truncheon blows) as there may soon be a vacancy for First Minister.

345463 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to l835, 2, #560 of 1794 🔗

They should all be tattyfalariouslydiscumknockerated with extreme prejudice.

345052 chrissie3, 6, #561 of 1794 🔗

Government: “If the vaccines behave as well as they’ve done in trials,….”

345058 alw, replying to alw, 16, #562 of 1794 🔗

Just been to Primrose Hill farmers market as I always do on a Saturday and which is held outdoors. I like to support British farmers. Now asking shoppers to wear face masks. Said I had an exemption and could produce my lanyard. Waved in. Other than myself everyone else bar a few stallholders wearing masks. Accosted by a woman who described herself as a retired medic asking why I wasn’t wearing a mask. I explained I was exempt and she asked why and I said I don’t have to disclose why and she needed to look at the equalities act 2010. From there on in she was friendly and chatty.

Then speaking to someone behind me who said she was an editor for various organisations. Was having difficulties importing various goods from Europe because of EU countries being awkward. Told her that according to the truck driver friend things were currently going normally across the channel but the MSM we are not reporting it. She replied with journalists are no longer paid to investigate and merely report what the owners of media outlets want them to write.

A local restaurant has converted itself into a store which sells groceries, fresh produce, wine and until recently hot takeaways. To get round selling alcohol with the takeaway food it now sells takeaway food in bags or containers for you to heat up at home. Three cheers for innovation.

The most worrying aspect of today’s so-called outing was that sheeple were so compliant with the nonsensical mask wearing outside. It doesn’t bode well.

345152 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to alw, 3, #563 of 1794 🔗

Maskholes. Gah masks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nightmare.
Idiots.

345247 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to alw, 2, #564 of 1794 🔗

Why are you exempt?
What colour knickers are you wearing?
Both, offensive questions.

345684 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to PatrickF, #565 of 1794 🔗

An appropriate retort when a Maskurbator asks you why you are exempt:
“Does your face mask match your knickers?”

This might not work so well if the Maskurbator is female and you are male.

345085 alw, replying to alw, 8, #566 of 1794 🔗

What exactly is an essential worker? Son and daughter in law both work in the financial sector which as such at the moment is essential to keep the country running. Surely their young child should be able to go to school rather than have to be home educated? Difficult, finding themselves having to complete their daily work when children have gone to bed and never getting to bed themselves before midnight. Disgraceful.

345106 ▶▶ l835, replying to alw, 14, #567 of 1794 🔗

All jobs are essential if you want to eat.

345086 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #568 of 1794 🔗

You are stuck on an island. You have a nurse, an engineer, a mechanic, a builder, a scientist, a cook.. and several fuckwits who studied PPE or classics at Oxford. Who would you want with you whilst you await rescue and who would you rather just fuck off? Let’s say they become two distinct groups. Which group would you put your money on to do best?

345102 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to chaos, 5, #569 of 1794 🔗

Put them useless fuckers in the B Ark.

345144 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to chaos, 2, #570 of 1794 🔗

There was a great example of this on a Survivor show (the Dutch one I believe). They separated out the men and women on different islands, taught them what they needed to do and left them to it.

Now to caveat here, the people who sign up for these shows are picked more for their entertainment value and often looks, especially the women.

What happened is that men quickly alloted roles and someone took charge. They built shelters, fished and even set up a cafe with home made coffee.

The women on the other hand didn’t fair so well, built rudimentary shelters, sunbathed and then when the food ran out, bitched and fought until the show runners had to step in and mix the islands.

Now this is not a critique on the sexes. They could have easily done this with able men and women and you’d probably see similar standards of living just with different emphasis.

The point is more that useless people end up causing collateral damage with a blast radius much much larger than the scope of their uselessness.

Hence if you stand by someone like this when the shit comes down, have a steel umbrella.

345427 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to mhcp, #571 of 1794 🔗

And lunch of long pig when the food runs out.

345153 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to chaos, 6, #572 of 1794 🔗

Is the scientist really a scientist or just a modeller masquerading as a scientist?

345177 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, 4, #573 of 1794 🔗

The ppe graduates take over by manipulation and cunning and get everyone else to do the work

345089 l835, replying to l835, 1, #574 of 1794 🔗

Why hasn’t the Jan 7th data been in on the graph in today’s bbc story? It’s listed at the bottom, but if plotted would bring the “curve” down to October levels.

345091 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to l835, 3, #575 of 1794 🔗

but if plotted would bring the “curve” down to October levels.

You have answered your own question

345090 PoshPanic, 6, #576 of 1794 🔗

So, over the last few weeks, I’m aware of a number of people who’ve have had a positive test and also had cold/flu like symptoms. Everyone very concerned a week or so ago. Not so much now. I suspect the mass testing is boosting the R rate in scepticism.

345095 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 6, #577 of 1794 🔗

Hi All! working really hard to get the next podcast out. Trying to juggle keeping my business alive! We’ve joined the Parler app if anyone’s interested.

https://parler.com/profile/Therealnormalpodcast/posts

345146 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 3, #578 of 1794 🔗

Just joined parler

345096 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #579 of 1794 🔗

It looks like the Ministry of Truth is using the Spectator and it’s undoubtedly well-connected editor Fraser Nelson, and political correspondent James Forsyth. Yesterday’s Coffee House Shots podcast on vaccine rollout and timelines heavily trailed lockdown going on until mid-May at the earliest. There are vaccine distribution problems cropping up all over the place is the argument. The military have been dragged in for blame purposes. ‘Even they can’t make it work’!

345176 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #580 of 1794 🔗

I’ve noticed this trend with the Spectator for some time now. Forsyth is just a Boris fan boy and his wife is The Pig Dictator’s new comms bod I believe. Unsubscribed from all their propaganda. I strongly suspect that they’ve been told to tow the line or lose access/inside scoops. Such a shame as Fraser Nelson is a sceptic, of that I have no doubt. Every man has his price.

345667 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #581 of 1794 🔗

I only stay for BTL comments. More and more articles just get skimmed.

345100 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 28, #582 of 1794 🔗

Chatting to a friend of Mrs Awkward yesterday who has 2 school age children of different ages and her experience of the stupidity that is currently endemic.

The school told her that she has to print off their homework for the online teaching – 300 pages per child so 600 in total.

She contacted the school and asked why if this was online teaching? Answer was “because”.

When she asked what would happen if her children did not do the homework what would happen and she was told “detention” so she asked “how does that work then?”.

Answer was “they sit in front of the computer camera for 30 minutes where we can see them”.

She explained to the school that she was on limited income, could not afford 600 sheets of paper nor printer ink to print 600 sheets of paper “so now what?”

School reluctantly agreed to send a teacher to the school to print up the 600 paages of homework and she was to go to the school to collect it.

When she asked wouldn’t it just be easier to send her children to school they went quiet.

It’s farcical to put it mildly.

345130 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #583 of 1794 🔗

One of my pet peeves is organisations who have virtuously gone paperless, only to electronically forward you a document to print off at home, including pages of photocopied stuff from books (around where the book pages are usually thick black borders which just eat all your ink … ). I’m not explaining myself well here but I’m actually mad as hell on this lady’s behalf … it’s just so bloody thoughtless!!

345166 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #584 of 1794 🔗

That’s got to be a joke about detention hasn’t it? Surely pulling your leg. Otherwise, I’ll be helping the kids here sort out a pre-recorded video of themselves on a short loop.

345167 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #585 of 1794 🔗

The teachers at our daughter’s school have to quarantine homework handed in for 72 hours before marking it / returning it. That was back when she was allowed to go to school of course. Utter madness.

345170 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #586 of 1794 🔗

I’m sure that would not be allowed.At my Children’s school they are told to keep the cameras off.
Also I heard of one local school who have said the children must wear uniform while working from home.

345342 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #587 of 1794 🔗

It’s bloody criminal. My HP Instant Ink subscription would blow a fuse. The usual level of joined up thinking being deployed, I see.

345661 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #588 of 1794 🔗

Go for the detention option. Teach your kids how to say ” You are all complete morons” in sign language and do that for 30 minutes. Intelligent children can add more sentences of their choice.

345107 J4mes, 11, #589 of 1794 🔗

‘Top cop’ Iain Livingstone of Aberdeen needs to step down, forgo his ridiculous pension, and his thugs in police uniform thrown in jail. There is no excuse for the way they attacked that family in their own home!

345111 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #590 of 1794 🔗

The bar chart showing ‘Deaths within 28 days of a positive test’ says it all for anyone with even a modicum of numerical literacy.

The chart shows a double ‘peak’, with deaths during the autumn period surging to a height that threatens to equal the genuine April spike – but, horrifyingly, sustaining itself in a way that threatens to overwhelm the whole country.

Of course – it’s rubbish, as a simple glance at all-cause mortality figures immediately shows.

The pattern of that mortality is quite clear, as has been stated many times here. The April peak stands out quite notably as an anomalous event, whilst the autumn part of the curve rises gradually – absolutely in line with the average for a quarter of a century at this time of year.

It’s that simple.

So the question is – what is the ’28 Day PCR+’ curve showing – because it isn’t an unprecedented surge? It’s clearly a biased/partial sampling of total deaths.

The only explanation would seem to be that the bias is embedded by massively inflating ‘Covid’ deaths in the autumn period – via the propagandist’s friend – PCR+ results.

345140 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to RickH, 2, #591 of 1794 🔗

Yes it is simply a mis-attribution of other deaths to covid.

Zoe showed an autumn double ‘peak’ also, but what was noticeable is that although estimated symptomatic positives fell by half after the first autumn ‘peak’ in the zoe data, hospital covid labelled deaths didn’t fall by anything remotely close to half. Which confirms most of the covid labelled deaths are incidentally positive (or false positive) not deaths from covid.

This graph of mine also shows the very slow growth rate of deaths in the autumn relative to the April peak. During the genuine epidemic in April daily growth rate in deaths was above 40% per day. In the first autumn ‘peak’ it reached only about 10% per day, and the second autumn ‘peak’ is topping out at around 4% per day.

So really when you take out the majority of the covid deaths which are just labelled as such what we are seeing is two seasonal ripples from the April wave with the second ripple being smaller than the first.

345311 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #592 of 1794 🔗

“it is simply a mis-attribution of other deaths to covid.”

It’s worse than that, Freecumbria, because there is a massive distortion between the portrayal of the genuine spike of deaths in April, and the apparent hump at the end of the year.

In graphical terms – it amounts to a clear lie in implying that deaths are anywhere near those of April, or are anything exceptional.

It’s in line with other SAGE distortions – like the 4000 deaths a day in December (150% inaccurate)

Pure fiction (my prediction was within ~3.5%, to give an idea of the egregious scale of that fiction). Your accurate graphing illustrates the point well.

What worries me is that every lie that is uncensured ensures that more will follow.

345338 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to RickH, 1, #593 of 1794 🔗

Agree.

Should have said the mis-attribution in Autumn is the key point.

345189 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to RickH, 6, #594 of 1794 🔗

It was always going to be that way Rick when they set up a vague list of symptoms, didn’t test for flu unless in severe cases, and create a textbook case of confirmation bias.

It is really interesting that a concept like Occam’s Razor can be very difficult for a person to believe in one aspect and yet fully believe it in another.

For example, unemployment rates or crime statistics are believed in the most part to be fudged and not representative, as models and approximations are often used.

Yet medical data based on imprecise methods and bias are not.

345114 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #595 of 1794 🔗

Feeling optimistic today but could be false hope.

Anyone else get the feeling that the “big push” from Government is them flailing around and throwing everything into one big attack hoping to end the war in a final push but they don’t have ammo or men to succeed in reality

Was it the Spring offensive in 1918 or the Battle of the Bulge at Kursk the analogies I’m thinking of?

345115 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #596 of 1794 🔗

a false positive feeling?

345183 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #597 of 1794 🔗

This I think is Kursk – the last battle they have a serious possibility of winning (at least in their own heads) . After that it’s downhill all the way, whether they actually win or lose. The delusions are exactly similar.

345191 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #598 of 1794 🔗

Yes, Kursk was more damaging than Stalingrad for the Germans as they threw away their remaining heavy armour and were never able to replace it.

345294 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #599 of 1794 🔗

Gettysburg is maybe another example.

345790 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Awkward Git, #600 of 1794 🔗

Battle of the Bulge and Kursk two different events but the point well made nonetheless.

345116 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 6, #601 of 1794 🔗

Managed to walk more than 20 miles on work related activities the other day. Is this a record?!

345160 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 3, #602 of 1794 🔗

I did similar on Thursday. A cracking day out saying a cheery hello to all I came across (both masked and unmasked).

345118 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 8, #603 of 1794 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55598918 we are now encouraged to act as if we have the virus. As flu can be asymptomatic and we have never adopted these stringent measures, what is so different with SARS-CoV-2 to every other virus that we have to act as if we have it? Should I act as if I have Ebola? Smallpox? Polio? Norovirus? Dengue fever? Malaria? although I have no symptoms of any of these.
What are people so scared of with SARS-CoV-2?

345122 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to p02099003, 5, #604 of 1794 🔗

Maybe the Virus we need to spread is Common Sense

345237 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mhcp, 1, #605 of 1794 🔗

Try asking the zombies to act as if they had that.

345127 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to p02099003, 2, #606 of 1794 🔗

they’ve just been brainwashed. as you point out, SARS Cov 2 isn’t even the scariest kid on the block.

345198 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to p02099003, 3, #607 of 1794 🔗

How’s the asymptomatic broken leg?

345284 ▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 1, #608 of 1794 🔗

what is so different with SARS-CoV-2 to every other virus”

Not a lot in practical terms.

345733 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to p02099003, 1, #609 of 1794 🔗

Hahaha. I’m going to use that. Act as if I have the Black Death and paint a big cross on my front door. Drink vinegar and rub onions all over myself.

345123 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #610 of 1794 🔗

So they defined drinking coffee out in the open as a picnic? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

345129 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #611 of 1794 🔗

Even Yogi and Booboo know every picernic needs a basket.

345135 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Basics, 6, #612 of 1794 🔗

What would you rather? Death by brown bear (e.g. grizzly or Kodiak) or death by tiger? Death by tiger has to be the answer – they kill before eating. A brown bear might kill you before eating or he might just sit on you and just eat you alive. Bears have a sense of smell many many times more sensitive than a bloodhound. None of this has anything to do with the scamdemic. I would pay to watch brown bears released into the houses of parliament.

345161 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to chaos, 2, #613 of 1794 🔗

But booboo has a bow tie.

345244 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Basics, 3, #614 of 1794 🔗

All the more reason to release him in parliament. He is well-dressed.

345168 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to chaos, 4, #615 of 1794 🔗

I would love to be a bear roaming out in the wilds of Alaska.

Free to travel over thousands of square miles.

Free to meet other bears.

Free to see my family

Free to eat outside.

Free to express myself to other bears in any way I like.

345236 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to rockoman, 4, #616 of 1794 🔗

And you get unlimited salmon in season.

345281 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 4, #617 of 1794 🔗

… free to rip the head off any pseudo-medic advocating masks and lovkdown. 🙂

345404 ▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to chaos, 2, #618 of 1794 🔗

Tigers look smug. Bears seem a little sad, a kind of Charlie Brown vibe. I’m going with death by bear. Plus I like Paddington.

345723 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chaos, #619 of 1794 🔗

There are 16 MPs you’d need to get out first ….

345125 DocRC, 13, #620 of 1794 🔗

A little perspective is in order….

345128 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #621 of 1794 🔗

Nominations are being sought for ‘The Dinos’ – the 4th Annual Fake News Awards

https://youtu.be/ZNcjNNWzOWw

345641 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 1, #622 of 1794 🔗

Where do we start?

345136 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 18, #623 of 1794 🔗

We “had” to get tested yesterday. The wife (normally an arch-sceptic) and I have been looking after a person whose relatives have had a positive PCR test (probably a false positive) and she had a temporary fit of panic. I was therefore dragged to the last remaining test station in the area (the others have all closed due to lack of business) with as much bad grace as I could muster.

We both, thankfully, had Lateral Flow Tests (me being so silently incandescent at all the BS that the heat probably boiled off any viral material on my swab). An hour and a half later, we both had texts to say that we were negative. Cue swearing at the waste of time and the queueing in the cold.

While the girl was registering our tests to add to the number on the national database so that the Bastard Whitty can try to prolong lockdown, she asked a question that I felt was important for my wonderful LS friends to know about. The interesting question was “are you coming back next week?” Suppressing my instant snarling response of “Why TF would I do that?”, I gently asked why and she said “you can come back for another test next week.”

For another bite at the “testing-positive” cherry, you bastard Whitty. Not a fucking chance. We politely declined. The council assistants made the experience of being conveyed towards the rotating knives quite pleasant. The last sentence isn’t true. Yet.

345299 ▶▶ alw, replying to RichardJames, 3, #624 of 1794 🔗

My lady who also works for a coffee chain has been required to have three tests now, all of which have been negative. No doubt all this double triple checking is not being revealed in the stats.

345487 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RichardJames, 2, #625 of 1794 🔗

Both my son and I have had a stomach bug this week. The wife was also worried about Covid and after a much heated debate about my ‘views’ I agreed to take him.

Now, the local test station don’t even have professionals doing the PCR swabs now. Everyone sits in their car, does it themselves then passes it back in the sealed bag. Son was negative, wife couldn’t sleep all night over it. Bastards. Absolute bastards.

345139 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #626 of 1794 🔗

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/expert-urges-scots-wear-face-23288316

Kinky……lol! But in all seriousness, this is really getting out of hand now.

345143 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #627 of 1794 🔗

Can’t I just turn the light out and leave my socks on

345235 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to stefarm, 5, #628 of 1794 🔗

Yes, if you wear your socks on your face.

345156 ▶▶ Basics, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #629 of 1794 🔗

Isn’t that a stupid storry to run? People couples are hardly likely to comply. Is it about psychologists getting the discussion in between couples to creste stress and dis harmony at the most absolute granular level? Split one individual from another.

This tabloid story wears on the segment of society that I notice rightly gives less fucks than the BBC hooked morons. Perhaps the story is spread across all outlets as propaganda now is.

345184 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 3, #630 of 1794 🔗

Looks about 15

https://muckrack.com/daniel-morrow-1

All this crap being flung at us is to get a reaction and as you say to cause stress. I hate the media maggots, I sometimes really hope some AI bots take over the world and puts them all out of a job!

P.s. the article is all complete bollocks of course!

345222 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 4, #631 of 1794 🔗

Good work Ste. Good to get the names of these ‘journalists’ and look at them more closely. Twitter will not be censoring these people so their personality type will be there for us to see.

Dayna McAlpine at edinburgh live is anothe 15 (26?) Yr old cafe reporter who is writing out social shaming behaviours and curfew decrees like shes a veteran. Disgustingly arrogant/desperate people.

345264 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Basics, 3, #632 of 1794 🔗

she is probably one of the BBC employees embedded in the local newspapers. There are 150 of them around the country . this has been covered here before.. Why do you think they all follow the government BBC line

345225 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 5, #633 of 1794 🔗

These people hate pubs, sport, fun, alcohol, love, friendliness and lots more. It’s not surprising they hate sex as well.

345994 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, #634 of 1794 🔗

Covid condoms!

345149 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 13, #635 of 1794 🔗

Total mortality figures for Germany for each of the last 5 years – up to week 50 for each year only, becuase the last 2 weeks of 2020 are not in yet. Given in order of number of deaths:

2018 936.176
2019 920.736
2017 913.223
2020 897.281
2016 890.812

Only 2016 had fewer deaths.

This is despite 1,700,000 ‘cases’ in 2020.

Spot the year of the pandemic.

Covid has had literally no impact on mortality.

It is as if it didn’t exist.

345334 ▶▶ jb12, replying to rockoman, 1, #636 of 1794 🔗

Do you have a link for those figures?

345151 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 30, #637 of 1794 🔗

Nice of the government to spend loads of money brainwashing us to accept that we should continue to have no human rights.

“If you don’t stay home, people will die”

See. You. Next. Tuesdays.

How about…

“If we all stay at home, the economy will die”
“If the economy dies, there will be no money for the NHS”
“Without an economy and a health care service, most of us will die”

Twats.

345234 ▶▶ Annie, replying to captainbeefheart, 12, #638 of 1794 🔗

Whatever anybody does, ALL of us will die.
Fact.
I’m making damn sure that I live before I die.

345240 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Annie, 4, #639 of 1794 🔗

This, surely, is the essential truth which should be uppermost in everyone’s mind.

345275 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hieronimusb, 7, #640 of 1794 🔗

But it isn’t, because death has, or rather had, been banished from our society, until government death porn reversed the direction of the lie.
I used to believe that Christians had a better idea of death than most, together with the sustaining promise that death is not the end and need not be feared. But the Christian churches have been the cowardliest bunch of quitters imaginable – including innumerable clergymen who take funerals regularly.What do they think is in the box?

345369 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Annie, 2, #641 of 1794 🔗

It’s a tough one, open the box or take the money..

345158 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 17, #642 of 1794 🔗

We’d be safer if SAGE and Parliament were locked down.

346000 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to DanClarke, #643 of 1794 🔗

Or just sent to the clink, bunch of crooks.

345165 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 14, #644 of 1794 🔗

“There have been two reports of snowballs being thrown last night between 11 and 11.30pm.” etc

Clearly, we stand less than a temperature solidified atmospheric moisture projectile’s chance in hell of finding our way back to calm reason and common sense. The effects of this weaponised hysteria on the already enfeebled public mind would be a cause for uncontrolled mirth were it not so catastrophic.

345269 ▶▶ mj, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #645 of 1794 🔗

cant have been snowballs.. Due to the manmade climate change catastrophe there is no snow in the UK anymore .

345349 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #646 of 1794 🔗

The only response many seem to have to things like this are “If I told you last year that this would be a reality…”, laugh a bit then simply shrug it off as if it’s always been this way.

345171 Binra, 2, #647 of 1794 🔗

Scepticism is an intelligent response to the questionable when it asserts as presumption to be truth.
When all this started the manner of its tiggering and employment fear and guilt keverage told me what I needed to know; firstly that the sources were manipulative and without integrity or worthiness and secondly that the global nature of the propaganda was orchestrated by a common purpose pushing one core agenda.
I had already learned during my education in life about financial and pharmaceutical fraud and regulatory capture along with much else that allows a recognition of the use of a captive and controlled media to push narrative manipulations. Other instances have revealed the Media is either compelled or bought by top down agenda under whatever narratives induce them to comply and support official lies as mainstream fodder.
Once it became clear that the unparalleled propaganda had found its target and tipping point, I stopped ignoring it and became willing to look at the claims being made and took on the research to uncover what is going on in any way that pertains – ie biology or politics as well as social and spiritual dimensions.
Once certain truths are established in my understanding, there is no basis to be ‘sceptical’ or persist in futile lines of thought and communication failure. To put it simply there is no point in parley with a liar and the father of it. In this case this is the decision to use the narrative as a necessary lever to ‘agenda’ that I find loveless, deceitful and inhuman.
That those whose identity is targeted and captured or garnered from the lie ‘believe it’ is then their ‘necessity’ to mask over, mask out, mitigate and protect their fear – as a dissociation given all the power of their emotional conflict.
In this sense there are those who employ the lie and those who are are framed by and become used by the lie. The lie is the ‘psyop’ and whether anyone really wields the lie is questionable, because it to do so an expression of the father of the lie – which is the wish that truth be different than its is – given priority over truth and thus at war with or as attack on truth.
Those who take their identity from a false sense of self and reality are running a mistaken identity as if it is true and thus believing what it gives them as if self-evident. Invested identity can run as automatic habit without any conscious intimacy or connection with Life.
It is then programmed by conditioned response to adapt and conform to social dictates, demands or rules – most of which are tacitly learned from behaviours.
Questioning our experience is only possible from a willingness to look at the thoughts and beliefs that are running. While incongruity can prompt reason to seek for the self-contradictions and resolve them, it can only do so within the frame of its presumed reality and in the courage to question its own predicates or presumptions and beliefs even though encountering self-conflict, fear and deep prejudice against asking the question and listening or receiving answer. The other approach is intuitive as a recognition of a fundamental dissonance that is unacceptable in the heart of honesty of being, and yet this can be sidetracked by seemingly more true or hopeful identities in which the dissonance has been masked over, and so only a persistent discipline in love of life or intimacy of being will challenge such ‘identity’ or groupthink, to release the seeming virtue for a direct appreciation of the source of virtue which is living truth as distinct from formulated, imaged or conceptualised ‘truths’.

All of this relates to our heart and mind and to that our mind can run as a ‘psyop’ with or without Billionaire clubs and mainstreamed ‘identity’.
If ‘sceptic’ becomes identity, one is lost to self-illusion no less than to cynical disregard for truth set as gloat or sightless and hollow assertion.

The gullibility is to our own thinking – as the belief it represents our true will and true thought. Thinking in the heart is DIFFERENT to the automatic conditioned response. It is not difficult as such but goes against all that we have learned or been trained to use as a masking identity running as defence against disclosure to truth FEARED.

https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/our-mind-can-run-as-psyop-question.html

345179 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #648 of 1794 🔗

new Zoe data

R continues to decline from its peak on 18th Dec. IT fell below 1 on 4th Jan

new daily infections falling rapidly

345180 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #649 of 1794 🔗

change in new daily infections

345182 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #650 of 1794 🔗

total new daily infections (self-reported symptomatics multiplied up to population from 20-69 years old)

345185 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #651 of 1794 🔗

here

345208 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #652 of 1794 🔗

of course nothing to do with lockdown

infectious in society will peak on 12th Jan and have halved by end of jan according to a simple model that continues the linear drop in R

345214 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #653 of 1794 🔗

R dropped linearly from before lockdown 1 as shown by the Royal Society below. R changes only diverged from lockdown and non-lockdown Sweden after it had fallen below 1. Lockdown 1 utterly unnecessary

345216 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #654 of 1794 🔗

and there’s fuck all to see in this second wave anyway

but the numbers going down allows people to breathe deeply, stop panicking and look at the data which glaringly obviously shows lockdowns cause lots of harm for zero gain

345328 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to steve_w, #655 of 1794 🔗

Thanks. Noticed ‘new infections’ in the UK had dropped from 69,231 to 67,246 over the past day.

Where are you getting this data from by the way.

As far as I can see they only show the ‘Total number of new daily cases across the UK’ for each day and then the figure disappears.
Are you just collecting this on a daily basis or have I missed where they show the historical data?

345362 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #656 of 1794 🔗

I write down the total new infections each day from the website and then analyse that. I think Zoe has done a great job in many ways and the data is the most reliable. I suspect that is why Tim Spector is a mild sceptic. But they are very poor at data transparency. They should allow us to download their data going back. I’ve emailed them multiple times but never even got a response. Because their data seems to be the best and it is daily and analysis of the R value shows absolutely clearly that lockdown just coincides with a drop that is built in from the natural linear drop in R then it is the best route for disproving lockdowns. I wish they were more vocal about it

345375 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #657 of 1794 🔗

turns out it doesn’t copy and paste particularly well – but if you wanted to have an excel play yourself here is the data

new daily infections 04/12/2020 20698 05/12/2020 19939 06/12/2020 19104 07/12/2020 18866 08/12/2020 18653 09/12/2020 19091 10/12/2020 19190 11/12/2020 19505 12/12/2020 20764 13/12/2020 21291 14/12/2020 23115 15/12/2020 24911 16/12/2020 25904 17/12/2020 26897 18/12/2020 27811 19/12/2020 30336 20/12/2020 33346 21/12/2020 36744 22/12/2020 38719 23/12/2020 41094 24/12/2020 42894 25/12/2020 45608 26/12/2020 48589 27/12/2020 50157 28/12/2020 51745 29/12/2020 52802 30/12/2020 55226 31/12/2020 57697 01/01/2021 60117 02/01/2021 63809 03/01/2021 66217 04/01/2021 67345 05/01/2021 68576 06/01/2021 69890 07/01/2021 69958 08/01/2021 69231 09/01/2021 67246

345469 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to steve_w, #658 of 1794 🔗

Really useful. Thanks

345766 ▶▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to steve_w, #659 of 1794 🔗

The problem is that the brilliant ZOE project is stupid enough to think symptoms mean you’ve got it, whereas ‘the science’ says that a flawed test and no symptoms mean you’ve got it. Also no symptoms means you’re probably giving it to everyone else. Emperor’s New Clothes anyone?

345188 rockoman, 11, #660 of 1794 🔗

Linking again – the devastating impact of lockdown on the mental health of children:

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/childrens-hospitals-grapple-wave-mental-illness

Quote:

“There’s something about the real relationship in person that the best technology can’t give to you,” said Robb.”

What is happening is criminal.

345193 rockoman, 14, #661 of 1794 🔗

How is it possible for Germany to have had 1.7 million ‘cases’ in 2020, and yet for this not to hav affected total mortality one iota?

It is as if covid is a myth.

345194 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #662 of 1794 🔗

The government says: “If your don’t stay at home, people will die.” And the assertion is true. Just as true is the assertion: “If you stay at home, people will die.” In fact, one can insert any claim in the place of the stay at home clause and the people will die clause will still be true. “If you don’t run a marathon a day, people will die.”

What’s your preferred first clause?

345219 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #663 of 1794 🔗

If you carry on eating and drinking…

345230 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #664 of 1794 🔗

If you take the vaccine, people will die

345340 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #665 of 1794 🔗

If you don’t have babies we can eradicate death.

345370 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #666 of 1794 🔗

If you act like you have it already….

345196 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #667 of 1794 🔗

I’ve had a rotten cold the last couple of days. Given that I hardly leave the house except for walking the dog lately, who can I blame for catching it? Maybe I should shop a neighbour at random?

345207 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #668 of 1794 🔗

Must be physical symtpoms of wrongthink, not a cold, Jo.

345213 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #669 of 1794 🔗

Tell me about it, Tovarich 😉

345318 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #670 of 1794 🔗

I have been fighting off a dose of something. I think it’s the covids. For about the last week/9 days I have had a slight irritation in my upper chest, coughing a tiny bit more than usual. I think it was new years day I woke up with my nose blocked and streaming and felt quite peeky. I might have been the booze from the previous night. Hard to tell.

I do feel absolutely OK now. Apart from the psychosis…..Which is getting worse…
lol

I think if I got tested it would be the rona. However I can honestly say I haven’t been anywhere or near anybody at all for AGES…….

So how could I have “caught” something?

345368 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Two-Six, 3, #671 of 1794 🔗

Did you not have all your windows open Two-Six? They say that if you leave all your windows open, even on a bastard cold freezing day, the rona will blow out of the open windows.. 🤔 that’s my guess…even though that is a lot of shite.

345635 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Two-Six, 4, #672 of 1794 🔗

I get a cough everytime I dust. I have Long Dust Syndrome.

345746 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #673 of 1794 🔗

If you leave the dust alone, it doesn’t look any worse after a while.

345202 panda232, replying to panda232, 49, #674 of 1794 🔗

London is absolutely heaving today and it’s beautiful to see. Very few people wearing masks outside in the open air either (I fee pity for anyone that wears a mask, but particularly those that where them outside). I’m going to whisper it, but I think people may have had enough of the governments ridiculous propaganda….

345217 ▶▶ Annie, replying to panda232, 11, #675 of 1794 🔗

i do hope you’re right, panda! Nice message, keep cheerful!

345276 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to panda232, 13, #676 of 1794 🔗

How sad though that boredom is what has brought them to this stage. My disdain for those who didn’t rise up against this long ago, knows no bounds.

345355 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to kh1485, 2, #677 of 1794 🔗

I hear you, but if boredom be the remedy there are worse alternatives.

345291 ▶▶ alw, replying to panda232, 10, #678 of 1794 🔗

Subsequent to my earlier post about Primrose Hill market went on a walk through area…very few mask wearers. People out and about in sun and mixing. No police in sight. Not surprising 14% of Met off for one reason or another at moment.

345205 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 16, #679 of 1794 🔗

Remember those signs in shops “Don’t ask for credit as a refusal often offends” or variations thereof?

I am seriously thinking of putting something up along the lines of:

“Please don’t ask me how I am, in my destroyed shop, as an honest answer will definitely offend”

345260 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to kh1485, 7, #680 of 1794 🔗

You should put up a sign asking for fresh mask wearing only as to stop infection spread. So you must witness a fresh mask being put on before someone can be served, unless they sign a waiver that they are liable for spreading Covid. We’re already deep into absurdity so you may as well push on through

345268 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to mhcp, 2, #681 of 1794 🔗

The depressing this is, they’d probably believe me.

First world problem today, that I hadn’t baked any scones. Oh, the woes of those unaffected … bless.

345261 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 2, #682 of 1794 🔗

These twats need offending.

345631 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 1, #683 of 1794 🔗

Go for it. If they enquire further just hand them a leaflet with the costs of lockdown Or Freddie Attenborough’s post.

345209 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 1, #684 of 1794 🔗

Can I ask if anyone here knows of any videos/papers/websites that scrutinise Scotland’s lockdown and results etc? Type it into YouTube and its all msm channels doing no analysis.

Likewise for the other countries in the UK.

Thanks

345414 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to TheBigman, 1, #685 of 1794 🔗

These are just newspaper articles but the Telegraph has had quite a bit on this:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/25/covid-widespread-scotland-uk-nations-study-suggests/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/06/scotland-isnt-faring-much-better-england-despite-nicola-sturgeons/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/08/nicola-sturgeon-has-secretly-massaged-scotlands-coronavirus/

If you’re not a subscriber you can bypass the paywall by hitting Escape twice as the page loads or reloads.

I have seen a study somewhere comparing Scotland’s performance to other European countries in the 5-10 million population range (it doesn’t fare well), but can’t find it at the moment.

345210 Hieronimusb, 9, #686 of 1794 🔗

Case numbers and those with actual symptoms are in exactly the same predicament that the stock market and actual value have been in for more than a decade: completely divorced from reality. If we continue to allow this ridiculous conflation of imagination and hard evidence to persist and grow, we will eventually drive ourselves to the destruction of any intelligent understanding of our environment whatsoever.

345211 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 9, #687 of 1794 🔗

A thought for today.

We have been writing to our MPs, plus others associated with CRG, and the proper good guys who have voted consistently against the government (Sirs Desmond, Charles and Graham etc). As a focused response in the weeks coming up to mid-February, when Doris is supposed to start unlocking having rolled out the vaccine to the first four groups (we’ll see about that!), perhaps targeting a select few with a blitz – the doctors. On the Tory benches the doctors include Liam Fox, Andrew Murrison, Ben Spencer, to name a few I have seen express some scepticism in debates, although only Ben Spencer voted against the government on the tiers. Remind them of the hippocratic oath. Ask them to look at themselves in the mirror and question whether they want to own the damage to their own children and grandchildren etc.

345231 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 5, #688 of 1794 🔗

Sadly, I think we are beyond appeals to common sense and medical probity. The appetite for self-inflicted harm will only be sated when the catastrophic effects overtake any possible benefit, a context that is being strenuously suppressed.

345239 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #689 of 1794 🔗

Spencer caved in last week. Waiting for his reply to my email. Will be interested to see what he has to say for himself.

346112 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #690 of 1794 🔗

Ask the same question of the GPs giving “vaccinations” against c-19.

345220 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 36, #691 of 1794 🔗

I occasionally hear the odd moron shouting the odds about having a complete, absolute, total lockdown to “finally” get rid of the ‘rona. It still staggers me that these morons haven’t the remotest understanding of just how many people have to go to work every day just to keep the lights on, let alone food in the shops.

345249 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Jo Starlin, 20, #692 of 1794 🔗

And of course once a virus is out there there is no stopping it, you cannot “fight” something that is incredibly numerous and incredibly small. (I worked with scanning electron microscopes a few years ago and my microscopes weren’t powerful enough to resolve viruses). How people believed a damp rag is going to stop a virus is beyond me.

345300 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #693 of 1794 🔗

The way people (including senior politicians, their scientific advisors and journalists) talk about the virus, I suspect they are simply incapable of imaginatively understanding viruses. They seem to have no understanding of how tiny the virus is or how numerous or that it is not alive – in fact they routinely talk about the virus as though it is sentient and has intentions and cruelly wants to harm us and is capable of formulating and implement complex tactics, and does all this because it is cruel. Mark Drakeford actually claimed that SAGE had told him the virus is cruel.

345405 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #694 of 1794 🔗

I am sure the normies think of the virus as an actual thing.

If they could imagine a bacterial, most of them for sure can’t but those that do, the clever ones, will imagine covie as being like a bacteria. They might have some memory of cells dividing like they once saw on the telly…that’s the clever ones, the thick twunts that populate planet earth almost certainly think covie has little arms and legs and eyes…..
The old one is green and the new one is blue no red….

345255 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #695 of 1794 🔗

All done by little elves who run about at night.

345256 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #696 of 1794 🔗

In the Antarctic research stations small groups of people (bubbles if you will) are isolated (lockdown if you will) from all the world for months at a time. Typically what happens is when this months’ long isolation is broken by a change of personnel and delivery of supplies everyone for the next ten to fourteen days is susceptible to colds, and then for months there are no such illnesses, until the next change of personnel. However, it has happened that even after months of isolation (lockdown), there is an outbreak of colds. No one knows how this happens. But everyone (paying attention) knows that it does, which has to include Whitty and Valance and SAGE.

345298 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #697 of 1794 🔗

Same in schools. Start of every new school year, tornado of coughs, colds and sniffles. All over in a fortnight.

345333 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #698 of 1794 🔗

I thought it was recognised by satellites as a combination of organic particles being brought on the winds and then stress effects were you give yourself a cold.

345358 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mhcp, 1, #699 of 1794 🔗

The only research paper on this that I know of concluded that the cause was unknown. That was, however, in the seventies. Nowadays, they would (on the basis of the same results) have a conclusion that cited a cause (or causes) with lots of weasel words like could and might etc.

345315 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #700 of 1794 🔗

They don’t realise you cannot suppress a virus. I’ve spoken to people who think this and I use the analogy of a hose – the water is coming out and you put your thumb over the end it will stop. When you take your thumb away it will start flowing again. Usually they understand that and realise that lockdown could never work. Beyond “flattening the curve” for a few weeks when we didn’t know much about the virus, lockdown has been a political policy, not a medical one.

345221 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 22, #701 of 1794 🔗

I thought I’d submit this complaint to Beds Police…

—-

After taking away our natural born rights (all enforced by the Police of course), the government have generously granted people the right to meet with one other person in a public place outside.

As I have a 10 month old child who only ever sees her mother and myself (due to nursery being closed and her relatives being too scared to see her), I take advantage of this generous gift from the government regularly. I want my child to recognise other people’s faces, preferably without masks on as she wouldn’t even recognise her own grandparents at the moment even though they only live around the corner.

So a friend and I usually meet in the play park in <SMALL TOWN> because it is one of the few places in <SMALL TOWN> that actually has a bench.

Over the past week, we’ve had several run-ins with the local Police. They have been generally well behaved and civil, but have started to become intimidating. For example:

* Driving past several times shining lights at us
* Parking, with engine running, just sitting there. This must be purely to intimidate.

One evening last week, two sets of Police came by asking us what we were doing (and one council car who probably reported us for sitting in a park)

One thing I noticed about the Police is that they were wearing masks outside. I have no idea why anyone would think this protects anyone from anything. I think this is just to dehumanise us even more. When I see people wearing them, I don’t see them as human, more like robots who have lost their soul.

Another thing I’ve noticed, since my brother-in-law is a special, is that it must be the Police that are spreading Covid-19 because he has gotten ill from carrying out Police duties.

If the Police have to “approach” hundreds of people a day for sitting on a park bench, or maybe because sometimes they are solving real crimes, then they are very likely to spread this deadly, highly contagious disease and could go on to kill millions.

So my complaint is as follows:

1. Why are your officers not forced to use the NHS test and trace app?
2. How often do your officers change their mask? They are dangerous if worn all of the time and never changed because you can get all sorts of nasty infections like bacterial pneumonia.
3. Instead of officers intimidating people sitting on park benches, why don’t they just stay at home until some real crimes are reported?

Thank you.

345233 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #702 of 1794 🔗

If police officers do not stay at home, will people die, as the government propaganda public informationwould indicate?

345245 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to captainbeefheart, 19, #703 of 1794 🔗

This is the line to push: as the majority of longer interactions now appear to be with police and infections are rising, the police are the infectious vector. The police must now isolate to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed.

In fact this could be a strategy to deal with police. Please do not come near me as you are a high risk spreader. And then if accosted and you test positive you can sue the police.

Ah the many layers of this absurd onion

345277 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to mhcp, 3, #704 of 1794 🔗

I just wonder if there is a way of hacking the NHS app so that if they come near you, they get notified that they need to self-isolate.

Of course, that app cost hundreds of millions, so it must have the best security ever…

345292 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #705 of 1794 🔗

it’s about time some tech-savvy people started doing shit like that, we need some serious sabotage, it’s an important part of resistance

345306 ▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #706 of 1794 🔗

Hmmm… Maybe buy some crappy second hand smart phones and put a “disposable” SIM in.

  • Load the NHS app onto them
  • Hide them in strategic locations throughout the day (recharge regularly)
  • Tell each one you tested positive

Anyone who walked past who had the crappy thing installed on their phone will have to self-isolate…

Just a thought, I’d never do anything like this, but I thought I’d point out how criminals could take advantage of such crap technology.

345330 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #707 of 1794 🔗

They would need to be in proximity for 15 mins….

345347 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Two-Six, 4, #708 of 1794 🔗

I forgot the virus only infects people if they’ve spent more than 15 minutes within 2 meters of each other…

345258 ▶▶ Annie, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #709 of 1794 🔗

Good man!

345223 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 3, #710 of 1794 🔗

will the Free Speech Union be taking on its huuuugest client, President Trump, now de-platformed from most social-wokery?

345229 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to TyRade, 2, #711 of 1794 🔗

He has quite a lot of money. It would be interesting if he decided to plough it into taking on big tech. Sadly it’ll probably be golf courses, though.

345224 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #712 of 1794 🔗

I know I’m pissing in the wind, but the conflation of cases with infections is still baked in, appearing in the first sentence of today’s update.

345228 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #713 of 1794 🔗

Agree, posted about this earlier. Try emailing them at lockdownsceptics@gmail.com

345296 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #714 of 1794 🔗

Yes. I think several of us have been banging on about this subliminal collusion for some time :

“Concede the language and you concede the argument.”

I pointed out earlier how PCR ‘cases’ are being used to present a fake death rate, in contradiction to the reality.

345226 Julian, 9, #715 of 1794 🔗

Outdoor muzzle-wearing in my town up around 30% this week – last week was half that or less. Fear porn working.

345227 Sam Vimes, 14, #716 of 1794 🔗

Let’s not be too hard on the police (esp Derbyshire); I mean, look at the long list of things they have to do:

  1. Check the new legislation
  2. Don’t make shit up
  3. Get on with your job
345232 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 14, #717 of 1794 🔗

Just a small example of how people are playing the system (or not in this case).

Last November a woman my daughter works with developed Covid symptoms and had a test which proved positive. She self-isolated for 14 days and then got herself tested again (she’s wasn’t asked to). It came back positive once more.

My daughter thought that she was just looking to get another two weeks off work so called Public Health England for clarification. They said that as she had self-isolated for the required time she could go back to work despite a second positive test.

I wonder how many people are getting away with this sort of thing.

345238 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Biggles, 12, #718 of 1794 🔗

Yep. And it hasn’t dawned on these idiots that even if you accept the logic of PCR tests meaning anything: if you test positive and are deemed a “case”, after 14 days you are immune hence all other cases are noise.

345290 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Biggles, 8, #719 of 1794 🔗

The same thing happened with my daughter’s childminder. She was ill for a week or so and had a positive test, did the two weeks isolation and then had another positive test at the end of the 2 week period.

Somewhat confused and wanting to return to work, she called the doctor for advice and was told not to have another test and to ‘give it another week’ before starting work again.

The science.

345241 penelope pitstop, 3, #720 of 1794 🔗

Found this on telegraph comments – some parliamentary committee to send evidence re lockdowns for different topics. May have been before so apologies, but i think the deadline is 11th and some of you are sure to be interested to submit evidence

https://committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/326/the-governments-response-to-covid19-human-rights-implications-of-long-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR29A7berb1IIDv4Jl4NlcIFZqAyV1RpnHj5x3JM_5l1FbrrE9UzSlyT2I4K

345243 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #721 of 1794 🔗

Ohhh….the scaremongering has just ramped up a gear….x2 supermarket worker’s have died.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/two-supermarket-workers-die-amid-23286783

345271 ▶▶ dpj, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 8, #722 of 1794 🔗

It doesn’t even try to claim they died of Covid! They both worked at a supermarket that has had a number of positive tests and you are then obviously supposed to assume that’s what they died of/with. Bottom of the barrel really being scraped with this story.

345278 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to dpj, 13, #723 of 1794 🔗

“Our thoughts and prayers are with the 1798 other people that die every day at this time of year”.

345325 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to dpj, 2, #724 of 1794 🔗

BBC now has the story and links to Daily Record but they have clearly fallen for deception and are claiming they both died of Covid

Covid in Scotland: Tesco staff ‘devestated’ at deaths of two colleagues – BBC News

345416 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to dpj, 2, #725 of 1794 🔗

Somebody should fact check these evil munchkins.

MARIANNA!!!!

345295 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 5, #726 of 1794 🔗

If people work in a supermarket, they will die.

345415 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 2, #727 of 1794 🔗

At some point, every single one of them.

345320 ▶▶ Janette, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 6, #728 of 1794 🔗

Yes we can see right through them. They are getting scared because the sheeple are starting to wake up.

345246 Victoria, 5, #729 of 1794 🔗
345248 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 29, #730 of 1794 🔗

Emotional blackmailers say we (sceptics) have blood on our hands.
What will they say when renters and mortgage payers are turfed out of their homes because they have lost their jobs and can’t pay their rents and mortgages?
What will they say to the families who will lose people because their cancer treatment and elected surgery has been cancelled?
What will they say to people whose family members have been driven to suicide?
We expect answers!!!

345266 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Fingerache Philip, 12, #731 of 1794 🔗

They will say none of it matters because being alive is all that matters, even if life is living hell.

345270 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #732 of 1794 🔗

that’s my reply re the cancelled operations, why should the world stop for covid, maybe the ‘covid’ wards are busy who knows, but I know for a fact that the other wards in one major hospital are not. The standard reply from the brainwashed seems to be ;well if everyone behaved, (behaved !!!)

345379 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #733 of 1794 🔗

The rental eviction amnesty ends soon I believe?

345388 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), #734 of 1794 🔗

I believe so.

345250 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 21, #735 of 1794 🔗

This reminds me of the Iraq war, the nightly bulletins to brainwash us with their righteousness, and we know how that turned out, Blair was involved in that too.

345272 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to DanClarke, 17, #736 of 1794 🔗

The Iraq war is why I don’t trust anything a politician says. WMDs (they couldn’t say if they were Nuclear, Chemical or Biological) that could be deployed in 45 minutes. This was proved to be a lie. So they said Iraq was developing WMDs (agin they couldn’t tell which type) which was a lie. Finally they said we invaded Iraq to change the regime, which is illegal under international law.

Never trust a politician unless you can prove its a lie or not. Always assume it’s a lie.

345326 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #737 of 1794 🔗

The WMD story was invented as the inspectors were finding that Saddam had instructed the army to destroy what chemical weapons that had so that sanctions could be lifted. This would mean Saddam was free to speak again at the UN and tell the real story about who was funding him and others. Scott Ritter wrote a book about his time as an inspector and the odd things he saw:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/sep/28/iraq.military

345385 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #738 of 1794 🔗

I remember clearly leaping across a room to record Hans Blix on R4 breakfast stating clearly why he said the UN weapin inspection team he headed up had found no evidence of WMD, he wanted clear evidence but did not have it and so with integrity said so. BBC breakfast were not happy. Blair had his millions of dead. Hans went to live in Antarctica strangely imo.

345425 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DanClarke, 2, #739 of 1794 🔗

Remember the cosy little TV set the bastard BBC provided for Blair’s ready to be deployed in 45 minute address to the nation, complete with fake mantle-piece, sofa and standard lamp?

I will never forget that.
Ali Hassan, the little lad that had his arms and legs burned off, for standing in front of a window as he watched Bagdag being obliterated in firestorm of high explosive and quite possibly tactical nukes

I will never forget that either.

345743 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Two-Six, 1, #740 of 1794 🔗

Agree with all apart from the tactical nuke bit. Would have been very difficult to execute that without some surprisingly low level oicks being involved. However depleted uranium ordnance used extensively.

345252 Annie, replying to Annie, 19, #741 of 1794 🔗

At our delightful local bakers’ this morning, met an old guy who proudly proclaimed that he’d had the Magic Jab. No gag, standing tall, smiling and chatty.
Which confirms my feeling that it doesn’t matter a jot what is in the M.J., so long as people think it ‘works’.

345265 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Annie, 6, #742 of 1794 🔗

“I’ve had the jab” is no reason not to wear a mask, for the Stasi.

345844 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to PatrickF, #743 of 1794 🔗

But it’s definitely a reason to encourage the bedwetters to act like that; as soon as the majority have had it, the sooner the normal people like us can walk around without being pestered for not wearing a muzzle.

345273 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Annie, 6, #744 of 1794 🔗

The Pleblic understand certain things like:

There is a virus that will kill us all
‘Our NHS’
The vaccine is the magic cure-all that will save us and get our lives back

…at least, they think they do…

345274 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 2, #745 of 1794 🔗

Government’s “get out of jail” card.

345329 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Annie, 10, #746 of 1794 🔗

Reminds me of the letter in the Telegraph a couple of weeks ago from a woman saying she’d just had her vaccination and had walked out of the vaccination centre feeling safe and secure for the first time since March.
Unfortunately many people are stupid (there’s a broad base to the IQ pyramid) and many others have been frightened into behaviour that can only be characterised as stupid and irrational.
(I’m getting angry again – time to go and do something different!)

345378 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 6, #747 of 1794 🔗

Let them. This could work very well for us. The magic bullet.

If people are beleiving the vaccine is going to save them and they are fine to go about as normal (proper normal) then great. Bit odd then how all the crap they were doing was to protect others, but as soon at they are fine it’s back to I’m alright Jack…

More and more people will think they have beaten it and are fine, which, with the behaviour being described in this thread, will look like civil disbedience to the government.

Their cognitive limitations of being informed must work both ways. Lots of them will have done little to no actual research and only take the headlines. So many vaccine and we’re saved type stories in big letters on newspapers and other propaganda outlets and the belief is there. What a fantastic opportinity for us.

Go forth and reinforce the message, they won’t listen to caution about the vaccine, restrictions still here etc…

345411 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Simon, 2, #748 of 1794 🔗

Quite frankly – by now – I’m thinking if the idiots of the world want to believe the vax will save them and then they will get back to Normal = well blow them…let them think that….and then the rest of us (ie that know better) will find they let up hassling us and why should we care about them? (because they clearly don’t give a damn about us) and we can get back to Normal too and then just count the statistics as the Covid believers get ill and/or die. It sounds heartless I know – but, as they clearly don’t give a damn about us, then I am getting to be at a loss as to just why we should care about them? It should be even stevens – either we care about them as normal (but they also care about us) or they care about us as normal (in which case – okay fair enough and we care about them too). Right now it’s looking very one-sided, ie that they couldnt give a monkeys about us.

345393 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #749 of 1794 🔗

Don’t forget that thing about the number of people that have been commenting to effect of “How on earth can intelligent people fall for all this claptrap?” and they are right. I’m the only intelligent person I can think of that hasn’t fallen for all this claptrap – and I admit it’s puzzling the heck out of me why I’m obviously immune and others aren’t. I get why I am immune to such rubbish – but why aren’t any other intelligent people I know?

345417 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to ElizaP, 3, #750 of 1794 🔗

You also know us lot.

How much TV and MSM do you watch as well?

Does advertising have a big effect on you?

Answer no to both questions and you have your answer on why you are an intelligent sceptic.

345434 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #751 of 1794 🔗

8 out of 10 of us said we don’t prefer msm

345419 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Annie, 4, #752 of 1794 🔗

If we get harassed by the maskholes
WE SHOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE HAD THE JAB!
THAT SHOULD SHUT THEM UP!
Stand back and watch their brains explode

345724 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Two-Six, 1, #753 of 1794 🔗

Yes “Why aren’t you muzzled”
“Had the jab”
“But you could still give me it”
“Eh -then what’s the point of the jab”
“To stop you getting the virus”
“Well there you go then”
” Oh right”

345262 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 21, #754 of 1794 🔗

Interesting blog from Daniel Sopol in BMJ
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/daniel-sokol-the-nhs-is-not-at-risk-of-being-overwhelmed-it-already-is/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=hootsuite&utm_content=sme&utm_campaign=usage

“The government will be aware of the collateral damage that pooling resources for the covid effort will have on non-covid patients. The reality is that the government, and probably the public, are more willing to tolerate a slow death from an underlying condition or a prolonged period of suffering, outside the glare of the media, than the quick death arising from a lack of ICU facilities. The cancer patient’s life is not worth any less than that of the patient with covid-19, but a patient who dies over a period of months or years because of tumour spread is less likely to cause a fuss or generate public outrage than the dramatic death of a patient with covid-19 in need of ICU care. The manner of death plays an important part in its perceived moral acceptability.”

And yet I would argue that the cancer patient’s life is being valued less – how can it be otherwise if it somehow more morally acceptable?

345293 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 19, #755 of 1794 🔗

So a slow, agonising death from cancer is morally acceptable, but a covvisadlideath is not.
I’ve seen people -people dear to me – who are dying from cancer.
I’d like to take every bloody zombie and show them the same sight. And then push their bloody teeth through the backs of their bloody necks.

345344 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Annie, 3, #756 of 1794 🔗

Yes, me too. If this has become morally acceptable then the notion of morality seems to have passed its sell-by date. Later in the post he talks about how it is possibly more distressing for NHS staff to be caring for patients dying relativley quickly with covid (or so they believe) than to care for cancer patients declining slowly. I see what he means – once again it is all about the convenience, comfort and protection of the NHS, not the patients.

346445 ▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Annie, #757 of 1794 🔗

I’ve seen people dear to me die from cancer as well and I’d choose death from Covid over death from cancer, no contest.

345389 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #758 of 1794 🔗

It’s image management as much as anything. Not a rational approach to management of this.

345267 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #759 of 1794 🔗

Judicial Watch Uncovers Documents Behind $1 Billion Mask Deal Between California and Chinese Communist Party Linked Company

California’s $1 billion mask contract unveils revolving door with the CCP, and China’s plan to mask Americans before the “pandemic”

California politicians land big contracts with Chinese firm that plotted to mask Americans

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/ca-ccp-byd-masks/

345384 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 2, #760 of 1794 🔗

Practically all face knickers are made in China.

345716 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Victoria, 1, #761 of 1794 🔗

Governments across the world are corrupt and rotten to the core, hence why every sane person should now disobey the stupid covid diktats.

345279 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #762 of 1794 🔗

by the end of January we will wonder what the fuck we are locked down for (if you don’t already)

finally I can ditch this

345381 ▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 5, #763 of 1794 🔗

Hands face SPACE, eh?
BTW, I was on the moon the other night, eating green cheese, when Elvis walked by arm in arm with Lord Lucan. That’s what happens when you’re a sceptic.

345282 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #764 of 1794 🔗

Message from Simon Dolan

This is my last post on Twitter .

If we continue to use this platform we are aiding and abetting the totalitarianism.

If we stop using it , it will die. Let’s start that process now

See you on Parler – simondolan

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1347854958088097792

—-

Purge continues….

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1347828343752822786

345310 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Victoria, 4, #765 of 1794 🔗

His followers rate is also people leaving Twitter. Not just cancelled accounts. Twitter is facing a real crisis now as their share price is starting to tumble. Wait until Monday. The account responsible for half of its traffic and associated content has been terminated. So how are all those ad impressions going to be served now for the same cost and reach?

345319 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to mhcp, 2, #766 of 1794 🔗

Yep heard Twitter share price was down by 4% yesterday

345418 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Victoria, 3, #767 of 1794 🔗

5.5% now. Removing a huge account will affect ad revenue. Crazy that this hasn’t been considered.

345386 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mhcp, 2, #768 of 1794 🔗

They knew this was a consequence. So they are paying a price. Maybe they are scared of the Trump blowback?

345317 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 3, #769 of 1794 🔗

Respect to him for doing that. Posting links to parler comments will support the transition away from twitter.

345343 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Victoria, #770 of 1794 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55598887 Google have suspended Parler from their app store and Apple may do the same.

345387 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, #771 of 1794 🔗

Download from their website.

345283 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 10, #772 of 1794 🔗

BREAKING

Professor Mad McMaddest of SAGE announces new plan for finally defeating the virus. 65 million wooden boxes are to be commissioned from McMaddest wooden boxes Inc . These will be placed at an anti-social depth of approx 2 metres (6 feet) underground.

All citizens will be required to occupy their designated box until the virus is gone. The V-u-know-what will be administered through tubes to the box occupiers using drone technology.

It is anticipated that any survivors should be able to emerge above ground around the end of 2021 once the programme is complete but until the efficacy of the V-u-know-what is proven, other SD measures will remain in place indefinitely.

Speaking on Full-On-Prop, Prof McMaddest said “We are all in this together – this gives the UK citizenry the best chance of surviving the pandemic in the longer term”.

345297 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to godowneasy, 3, #773 of 1794 🔗

Key workers will be exempt of course such as politicians, stasi sorry police just in case anybody digs themselves out and NHS personnel who are overwhelmed making Tic Toc videos.

345302 ▶▶ Janette, replying to godowneasy, 2, #774 of 1794 🔗

Love it

345288 Victoria, 13, #775 of 1794 🔗

We need posters/stickers about school closures all over the country

something like

School Closures = Child Abuse

345301 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #776 of 1794 🔗

Nicky Campbell BBC 5 live. Putting a lockdown sceptic up against a lock down lover suggests equivalence – which cannot be allowed obviously.

Allen Radio Show taking apart the msm propaganda on Thurdays. Aleen is angry and a bit loud today, forgivable under circumstances.

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2021-01-07T11_39_25-08_00

Labour party social media channels are been given to NHS workers to control in an effort to yet further propagandise the nation to vaccine-washing.

345346 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 10, #777 of 1794 🔗

Good show. Mark Bajerski made some interesting comments about how lockdown is aging us prematurely.

I agree, we are never getting this time back and the levels of stress through brainwashing, instructions, masks, lack of contact and deliberate misinformation is not good for physical and mental health and deliberate IMO.

345354 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 2, #778 of 1794 🔗

Imo seconded.

345836 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #779 of 1794 🔗

Who’s that Marina newsreader character? She sounds like a bot!!

345308 anon1948, replying to anon1948, 13, #780 of 1794 🔗

From the Telegraph today:

“A senior scientific adviser to the Government warned on Friday that the third lockdown is unlikely to bring cases down, saying deaths would only begin to fall again once enough people have been vaccinated.
Experts are now expecting the epidemic to rise to a peak and then plateau because the new UK Covid variant is so infectious that it is impossible to bring the ‘R’ number below one with the current measures.”

So… they admit the restrictions won’t do anything. What on earth is the point of the restrictions then? This has become so heavily politicised, it seems like Lockdown is almost being imposed as more of a moral stricture (“save lives” etc) rather than an evidence based public health policy.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/09/crackdown-planned-covid-deaths-hit-record-high/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

345348 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to anon1948, #781 of 1794 🔗

But things would be eVeN wOrSe if we didn’t lock down

345380 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to anon1948, 4, #782 of 1794 🔗

It’s because people believe they have to do something.

Can’t help themselves.

Even if it’s a bullshit scheme that will cost untold damage, as long as they scratch that itch.

345455 ▶▶ Julian, replying to anon1948, 9, #783 of 1794 🔗

“Almost” Er, sorry, no, completely. There was NEVER any evidence that lockdowns did any good, nor any of the other measures. Everything the govt has been done is CONTRARY to the standard WHO pandemic playbook that had been accepted practice forever.

The whole thing is 100% political.

345460 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Julian, 7, #784 of 1794 🔗

Even worse than political – it’s become ideological, as well as completely anti-scientific.

345312 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 5, #785 of 1794 🔗

Stop Press: A new, definitive, self administered no-cost test for Covid19 has been revealed: If you turn your head to the left and cough, and your genitalia move reflexively, you are infected. Massaging the test site is strongly recommended before, after, or during, or all three.The Pubertal Chain Reaction test should, wherever possible, be administered in public, and all those displaying signs of enjoyment will be offered immediate employment, salary commensurate with experience, by the State.

345316 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #786 of 1794 🔗

Sounds like a load of old bollocks to me, but worth a try nevertheless.

345321 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to godowneasy, 6, #787 of 1794 🔗

Don’t be dismissive of old bollocks. The hysteria is built on it.

345373 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RickH, 1, #788 of 1794 🔗

New bollocks for old would be a good deal.

345335 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to godowneasy, 4, #789 of 1794 🔗

Titter ye not, the new test is multi-gender sensitive and has been certified to comply with all forms of political correctness known to man and… ermm, the rest. The test inventors have also been certified and given padded cell status in perpetuity.

345313 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #790 of 1794 🔗

Bradford now has people walking about with TV sandwich boards telling people to keep their distance.

https://youtu.be/AeI4Ad9LyZs
4 min video

345324 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Basics, 4, #791 of 1794 🔗

Wonder if the pay is good

345372 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, #792 of 1794 🔗

Hope the two boards are six feet apart.

345374 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 6, #793 of 1794 🔗

What are our kids going to think looking back at the absolute state of this era? They’ll be utterly ashamed.

345392 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #794 of 1794 🔗

Only if they are able to remember the way things were before.

345398 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #795 of 1794 🔗

FWIW I think this comes from the same angle as the plastic bollards and lane closures for ‘active travel’. The idea is to alter our familiar physical environment, to change he experience of being in the public realm. It is not our home town any longer, it is a new environment we must adapt to.

Same goes for the grotesque brainless public art we’ve seen happen over the past 20 or so years.

See yt Swilliamism (while you still can) to see how public art is used to change peoples environment and why. Not equating these bradford tv heads to art – purely my poor English.

345440 ▶▶ mj, replying to Basics, 2, #796 of 1794 🔗

awful job but its better than walking the streets

345496 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mj, 2, #797 of 1794 🔗

You must get awfully board though.

345450 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 2, #798 of 1794 🔗

They should stay at home to save lives

345323 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 9, #799 of 1794 🔗

Is Johnson being coerced, kept away from real life, threatened ? His pleading sounds desperate, when so many doctors and scientists have a different view. Maybe SAGE need to let him listen to some of them.

345327 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DanClarke, 23, #800 of 1794 🔗

If you are Prime Minister and you are coerced then you are pathetic and not fit to be PM

345407 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Victoria, 3, #801 of 1794 🔗

Quite – I should love to have seen that from any of Thatcher’s Ministers!

345367 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to DanClarke, #802 of 1794 🔗

Yes.

345406 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 2, #803 of 1794 🔗

Since when did Mr Toad need coercion to make him behave against others’ interests?

345448 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 5, #804 of 1794 🔗

I think he is weak rather than actively evil – his evil stems from him looking after what he perceives as his own interests. I don’t sense he is malevolent like some of the others. But the result is the same.

I’m having trouble with a former sceptic who has succumbed to the fear porn, who has just told me that the PM is a libertarian!

345461 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Julian, 4, #805 of 1794 🔗

He is a libertine. I can see him trying to escape all this madness on a Caribbean island. With Greta.

345495 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Waldorf, 4, #806 of 1794 🔗

That would be a good Eternal Punishment for both of them.

345532 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #807 of 1794 🔗

I think he’s both weak – and evil. The two are not incompatible within the framework of narcissistic dishonesty that is his essential character.

In terms of your sceptic’s ‘trouble’ – I guess the confusion may be between ‘libertarian’ and ‘libertine’ 🙂

345609 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 1, #808 of 1794 🔗

Indeed not incompatible, but I don’t think he’s evil in the sense of enjoying torturing people or anything like, whereas with Hancock and some of the others I do wonder

Libertine, yes. Sadly a lot of people don’t really understand what libertarian means. It’s very curious that the collection of places that have resisted the worst of the madness are politically a real mixed bag – semi-socialist Sweded, Tanzania, Belarus, South Dakota. I guess they all have their own reasons. The way Sweden has given its citizens a choice is in contrast to the image of Scandinavian countries as being rather nanny-state like

345886 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #809 of 1794 🔗

Burning £50 notes in front of the homeless is pretty evil in my book.

345331 Mark, 14, #810 of 1794 🔗

“Glad the vaccine ain’t womandatory yet”

Top-rated comment below JP’s latest. Which is excellent and worth linking again here . Many a true word spoken in jest applies here, in spades!

345332 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #811 of 1794 🔗

UK Authorities Shut Down Vitamin D Recommendation for COVID

  • According to new COVID-19 guidance from the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence, Public Health England and the Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition, there’s insufficient evidence to support the recommendation to take oral vitamin D for the sole reason of preventing or treating COVID-19
  • While the panel agreed low vitamin D was associated with more severe COVID-19 outcomes, they claim it’s impossible to confirm causality due to inconsistencies between the studies and because vitamin D deficiency and severe COVID-19 share many of the same risk factors
  • With that, they are backtracking on previous recommendations issued by British health officials who, in November 2020, urged people to take supplemental vitamin D this winter to reduce their risk of respiratory infections, including COVID-19
  • While the new guidance does urge Britons to take a vitamin D supplement between October and March, it only recommends a dose of 400 IUs a day, which is easily 10 times lower than what most people would require for general health and immune function
  • There’s compelling evidence suggesting optimizing your vitamin D level can significantly reduce your risk of COVID-19 and improve your outcome if you do get infected

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/09/uk-vitamin-d-and-coronavirus.aspx

Takeaway Message:
‘They’ do not want the UK population to be healthy and able to fight viruses and other pathogens

Take responsibility for your own Health

345350 ▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to Victoria, 9, #812 of 1794 🔗

Lol. The last thing Big Pharma want is for this pandemic to work as a recommendation for vitamin supplementation. They haven’t spent many years lobbying against all alternative medicines, and their safety, for nothing. They may be malign but they’re not totally dumb.

345412 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ross Hendry, #813 of 1794 🔗

Doesn’t seem to be much of a vitamin lobby.

345403 ▶▶ iane, replying to Victoria, 1, #814 of 1794 🔗

1000 IUs seems to be the usual recommended daily allowance – though maybe even more would be better!?

345476 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to iane, 1, #815 of 1794 🔗

On Ivor’s video one of the Davids was taking 100,000 IUs at the start of each month. So over it works out as just over 3000 IUs a day

345925 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to iane, #816 of 1794 🔗

I’m taking 2000iu per day of D3 and Vit K2 to aid absorption plus Zinc and Vit C

345480 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Victoria, 1, #817 of 1794 🔗

Even Dr Fauci takes Vitamin D daily

345530 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Victoria, 2, #818 of 1794 🔗

I think the problem is that health is business promoting vitamin D would simply undermine the medical business complex. To state one fact after it was discovered black and Asian health workers had a higher rate of mortality from covid the government claimed it was due to economic inequality. Now of the 25 of the 26 doctor’s who died of covid all were black and Asian none were deprived or lived in over crowded houses. If your coloured your skin doesn’t produce enough vitamin D especially in winter making your more vulnerable to respiratory infections like covid. On Dr John Campbells site where I first heard of vitamin D even he can’t understand why it isn’t being promted. Any body interested should look up Dr David Grimes who claims even the low dose the government recommend isn’t enough to unlock our immunity. Yesterday I tried get people to talk why us sceptics have failed to win the argument over lockdown suggesting where not asking the right questions and that we should put forward an alternative as the politicians and msm have failed us. Unfortunately no one wanted to accept we’ve lost the argument and that we need a new strategy to break the logjam. Maybe it’s because I suggested masks are useful, I don’t wear one due to asthma but if you look at Japan where there’s no lockdown but face masks you find they death rate is 18 per million. Our rate is 1100 per million so there’s something going on there, maybe it’s herd immunity or maybe it’s because they more healthy eating vitamin D rich diet. At the end of the day lockdown isn’t working and we need to be willing to put forward alternative ideas even if we don’t like them.

345339 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #819 of 1794 🔗

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/new-data-shows-how-number-4867345 The comment says that this was predictable given the Christmas relaxation of the rules.

345447 ▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 5, #820 of 1794 🔗

Christmas relaxation of the rules. ” I missed that one I think.

345341 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #821 of 1794 🔗

Google Partners With Industry Lapdog to Promote Vaccines

  • Google will soon launch a new search feature so that whenever someone searches for information on COVID-19 vaccines, they’ll be given a list of authorized vaccines in their area along with information panels on each vaccine
  • Google has also teamed up with the Australian Science Media Centre (SMC) to create a COVID-19 Vaccine Media Hub, which will parrot approved mainstream vaccine information to the press
  • SMC is not an independent news agency as it claims to be, as it counts among its biggest funders a number of high-level industry players with worldwide agendas, including the Wellcome Trust, GlaskoSmithKline, CropLife International, Sanofi and AstraZeneca
  • SMC provides “expert” statements and briefings directly to journalists, which skews unbiased information that’s relayed by the media
  • In one analysis, the majority of news articles that covered SMC’s briefings did not use an independent non-SMC source; among news articles that used SMC’s expert reactions, 23% did not use an independent source, and of the rest that did, only 32% included external sources that offered an opposing view to the one provided by SMC
  • Knowledge truly is power, so look beyond fact-checkers’ labels and the top of Google’s canned search results — and the corporations behind them — in your search for truth

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/09/google-partners-with-industry-lapdog-to-promote-vaccines.aspx

345365 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 3, #822 of 1794 🔗

The only sensible thing to do is to wait and see. So much game playing and marketing dressed up as science. For the non expert, it’s either the vaccines will save us or they’ll kill you. So I’ll do my own study and measure it as time goes.

345394 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #823 of 1794 🔗

An unlicensed ‘vaccine’ which is not proven to stop you catching or spreading the virus,which is not that serious anyway.Cant wait

345366 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 2, #824 of 1794 🔗

So that as a start. Unlike technology that landed us on the moon, google won’t lose the technology. This, then, is the future of internet search. From all knowledge free to all to limiting suggestive behaviour modification by corporation for their profit.

The fire of Alexandria is happening acroos the world, today. Right now.

And you (not you victoria) use google because it is convenient.

345345 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #825 of 1794 🔗

Are there any examples of people kicking back against the overreach – in court, I mean. Has anyone successfully won a disability discrimination case or similar?

345360 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #826 of 1794 🔗

Some criminals have had their sentences shortened, because Covid.

345351 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 14, #827 of 1794 🔗

First line: “With case numbers continuing to rise…” Erm, with PCR positives continuing to rise… Just sayin.

345356 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #828 of 1794 🔗

They just keep repeating it.

345371 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to rockoman, 1, #829 of 1794 🔗

He keeps on repeatin’:” Eating testing people is wrong.”

345383 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Annie, 1, #830 of 1794 🔗

At the drop of a hat..

345493 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #831 of 1794 🔗

That’s the one.
Must have been someone I ate.

345357 Simon, replying to Simon, 9, #832 of 1794 🔗

A typical problem when data is plotted in a random order, i.e not in time series it can paint a very different picture of what is happening.

So it was no surprise to see that the data when reordered for time series presents a pretty different picture. But

Good News!

Whilst you can test positive every day, you can in theory (so far) only die once (who’s going to bet they change that soon too). When the death backlog is caught up with, the rate should look very different. This especially due to the difference in figures we have seen.

They won’t be able to explain any sudden prolonged drop away in a more serious new strain, more deadly, more contagious….

345397 ▶▶ iane, replying to Simon, 1, #833 of 1794 🔗

No – it will ‘be’ the third lockdown that saved the Universe (for now!).

345376 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 17, #834 of 1794 🔗

Given that ‘covid death’ means that the person concerned has merely died within 28 days of a positive PCR, I would like to see the expression ‘covid death’ placed in inverted commas, when it refers to the official statistics.

This was not done in this update and thus feeds the hysteria.

I am not saying there are no real covid deaths, I am merely pointing out that the acceptance of the pre-suppositions of a narrative strengthens that narrative.

Thank You.

345396 ▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 4, #835 of 1794 🔗

I think several of us have picked up on this one, and the bad practice of repeating the misleading language of the serial liars.

345390 RickH, replying to RickH, 5, #836 of 1794 🔗

The last article in the Oxford CEBM Covid list is dated 15th December – and that’s only a Florence Nightingale diagram.

I also note that Carl Heneghan has been absent from the airwaves.

???

Any insights?

345410 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, 4, #837 of 1794 🔗

Probably feels like topping himself after his disgraceful treatment.

345433 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to RickH, 1, #838 of 1794 🔗

Christmas break at Oxford is quite long! He probably needs a rest. I doubt he’s changed his mind on any of the important matters.

345523 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to WasSteph, 1, #839 of 1794 🔗

Activity doesn’t usually stop dead like that within a larger research group with an on-going agenda.

345444 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #840 of 1794 🔗

Maybe involved in this:

https://twitter.com/harteam_org

https://harteam.org/

Though he’d lose his job and some of his influence (such as it is)

Seems like Yeadon is behind it judging by the email address on the PayPal receipt for my (small) donation

345518 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #841 of 1794 🔗

Interesting. I wasn’t aware of that.

345391 Mark, replying to Mark, 17, #842 of 1794 🔗

Glenn Greenwald:

One thing I think that we’re clearly seeing is the initiation of a new war on terror, which I don’t say lightly. I say that because the Biden administration …. is saying explicitly that they want first of all a new law to further criminalise “domestic terrorism” even though every act that constitutes domestic terrorism is already criminalised. What they want to do is increase their power to monitor political groups, to infiltrate them, to criminalise activities that currently are not criminalised, nor should they be, whether it be advocacy of speech or other things. They’re saying they want a new law, similar to the way that the 9/11 attack and the emotions surrounding it was instantly seized upon to institute a whole series of new laws that endure to this very day. Secondly, they are explicitly saying that they believe that domestic terrorism – so this war on terror is not going to be directed at foreign non-state actors or terrorist groups or foreign countries like China or Iran or Russia, it’s going to be directed inward – is the greatest threat to national security. And we’ve talked about this before, that this is what they’re likely going to do, because they have been focused for so long, media outlets have, the Democratic Party has, on Donald Trump and increasing fear levels about him. That’s been the key to their profits and their power. What will happen once he’s gone? Their strategy has always been clear: to inflate the risk of what they call “white supremacist terrorism”, which increasingly means nothing more than being a Trump supporter and then treating people in the United States who fall into that category the way you treat terrorists – you monitor them, you surveil them, you restrain them, you detain them. And this is what they’re saying explicitly, and the silicon valley component of this is particularly menacing… “.

Tucker Carlson Tonight 1/8/21 FULL | FOX BREAKING TRUMP NEWS January 8 ,21

Time to choose a side.

This is a culmination of intolerant anti-free speech threads that began to be significant in the late C20th with political correctness and the demonisation of “racism” etc, exploiting as Greenwald says powers and fears accrued in the post-9/11 panic, and the same techniques are being used to push panic over the coronavirus as over “white supremacy” and Trump derangement generally – exaggeration, misrepresentation, deception. Things are coming to a head, and if you want to have any free speech you need to back free speech for others whose opinions you hate. It’s as simple and as fundamental as that.

345457 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Mark, 3, #843 of 1794 🔗

The Patriot Act effectively gave the USA carte blanche to do whatever they wanted. Once they tasted the power they couldn’t get enough of it and now they want more.

345395 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 13, #844 of 1794 🔗

I wonder why Toby is STILL using the expression ”case numbers”.

Yes, there probably are some genuine ”cases” ( with covid) after a clinical diagnosis, but joining in with the coercive language doesn’t do anyone any good.

345423 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Banjones, 10, #845 of 1794 🔗

Positive test numbers ! Not cases ! Painful isn’t it .

345430 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Banjones, 3, #846 of 1794 🔗

Hi Banjones – thread hijack

For some reason I the Emily poem ‘There let thy bleeding branch atone’ has been buzzing around my head for ages now in relation to this shitshow. Don’t know why.

And yes, I to find the loose language around ‘cases’ irritating, and playing into their hands.

345563 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to TJN, 3, #847 of 1794 🔗

”.. . through all the wildering maze..’ ‘ Yes. When you’re angry about something, it’s almost comforting to know that someone, even long ago, was angry too. But she could find the words to express it, which must be cathartic.

345607 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Banjones, 3, #848 of 1794 🔗

No coward soul is mine … I want to live up to that,

345629 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to TJN, 1, #849 of 1794 🔗

Let’s hope all’s not lost…
”Without – all wind and driving rain
But something whispers to my mind
Through rain and wailing wind – never again.
Never again? Why not again?
Memory has power ….. ”
We mustn’t forget how things used to be, those of us who are old enough to remember – because the young ones will forget very easily and they will think the ”new normal” IS ”normal”.

346176 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Banjones, #850 of 1794 🔗

I’ve always been fascinated by that one. Very short, as if she couldn’t get any further with it, but knew she was on to something. She really was a mystic.

Sorry for delay in replying – been out for a bit, wandering the moors here by starlight!

345439 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Banjones, 2, #851 of 1794 🔗

To be fair it wasn’t TY this time but another one of the writers

“Case” numbers and “deaths” must always be strongly caveated or not spoken about

Hard to get people out of the nonsense fantasy of “something must be done” about the “exceptional pandemic”

Maybe email the team to politely point this out…

345401 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 14, #852 of 1794 🔗

Does anybody see it going any differently than this?

This lockdown lasts until Easter at which point it’s downgraded to tier 4. So essentially nothing changes apart from kids go back after Easter.

At the beginning of May a few places go to tier 3. Everybody else stays tier 4.

In June a lot more move to tier 3. A few still tier 4 but the majority in tier 3.

July half move to tier 2. The rest are in tier 3.

For August-October everybody is in Tier 2 and that’s as low as we ever get.

November tier 3 and 4 come back out and then in December we’re all in Tier 5 again until the following Easter.

345428 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Hubes, 24, #853 of 1794 🔗

I think the scenario ignore two factors which are positive for us.

Firstly the economic/financial aspect. The course is simply unsustainable. Indeed, perhaps a global monetary reset takes place this year.

Secondly, the majority opinion is that following vaccination everything goes back to normal. How people react if that turns out not to be the case is a wildcard.

345436 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to rockoman, 9, #854 of 1794 🔗

Boris is vain and hates being unpopular. I hope that works in our favour.

345437 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to WasSteph, 11, #855 of 1794 🔗

Indeed but he’s also weak as piss

345438 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Julian, 1, #856 of 1794 🔗

Too true.

345520 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Julian, 8, #857 of 1794 🔗

I don’t understand why he doesn’t employ someone like Heneghan, Yeadon, Gupta etc as a kind of minder so that when Sage turn up with all their stats he can sit back while they argue it out before making his decision. Surely scientists can’t oppose rigorous scrutiny from their peers? He is only hearing one side at the moment.

345537 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Fiona Walker, 4, #858 of 1794 🔗

Good question

He’s too weak even to do that?

Or he actually believes the shit coming out of his mouth?

345939 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fiona Walker, #859 of 1794 🔗

He’s doing as instructed – and besides he doesn’t give a shit.

346073 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Julian, #860 of 1794 🔗

But he is not really in charge.

345594 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to WasSteph, 2, #861 of 1794 🔗

He’s also a shallow snob, so he wouldn’t care about being unpopular among the peasantry. So long as his peers love him, and he can strut and preen and bask in their admiration, that’ll be enough for him.

345917 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to WasSteph, #862 of 1794 🔗

But he’s outta here soon isn’t he? He won’t give a flying f what happens

345442 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rockoman, 8, #863 of 1794 🔗

Yes. The current course is unsustainable and even excessively low-temperature Brits have a detonation point.

345583 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to rockoman, 8, #864 of 1794 🔗

Your last paragraph is crucial. I am absolutely staggered by the number of people I know, intelligent men and women, who truly believe we will all go back to normal by spring, early summer.

345596 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to rockoman, 3, #865 of 1794 🔗

The trouble is, it’s the ”hopeful” thing again. As Orwell said ”Hopeful people are more easily controlled….. just the right amount of hope subjugates them…’
Which is exactly what the behavioural specialists of SAG are working on.

No doubt there’ll be something else come summer that they can use as their carrot.

345429 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Hubes, 2, #866 of 1794 🔗

Yes,that’s the awful future I foresee.

345408 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 58, #867 of 1794 🔗

Sceptic friend of mine attended a Jamaican funeral yesterday, literally hundreds( estimate 250) round the grave side,a good few smoking dope downing cans of Red Stripe, singing songs great atmosphere.. Pigs were called to the cemetery took one look at the crowd and immediately fucked of back to the station..them Jamaican lads take no shit…and not a muzzle in sight..

345468 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #868 of 1794 🔗

Wasn’t there a funeral for some Imam in the last lockdown which thousands attended (including high profile muslims). The pigs did nothing as they have to be culturally sensitive.

345486 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #869 of 1794 🔗

Can I borrow a few?

345504 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #870 of 1794 🔗

Good on them!!!

345413 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #871 of 1794 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz4MUM8lbeY

Policewoman has just said to a smartly-dressed middle-aged woman protester “You look lovely but you could be violent.”

345421 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #872 of 1794 🔗

As opposed to the Jamaicans mentioned in the other post. Who they do not mess with at all.
If it was Haitians, the cops would probably be afraid of a hex from Baron Samedi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjWHY8WZHZE

345422 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #873 of 1794 🔗

London really is another country

345942 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DanClarke, #874 of 1794 🔗

I’ve maintained that for years.

345485 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #875 of 1794 🔗

I hope she was violent.

345424 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 37, #876 of 1794 🔗

The government’s latest propaganda campaign doesn’t seem to be going down too well. Guardian News, on YouTube, has a clip of Chris Whitty telling people to stay at home. The video has more than thirty thousand views, plus seven hundred likes, and almost two and a half thousand dislikes. That’s not the kind of ratio between likes and dislikes one would ordinarily see on a YouTube video. Worse still, for the government, the comments are uniformly negative. The government’s propagandists clearly have some thinking to do.
https://youtu.be/dR6P4qIg5xM

345426 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Steve Hayes, 16, #877 of 1794 🔗

Their rigged polls are not doing them any favours. This policy is vastly hated, even by those who pretend to be following it.

345451 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to WasSteph, 20, #878 of 1794 🔗

Everyone I know who is in favour of the restrictions has broken those rules routinely throughout. They have, of course, simultaneously condemned other people for breaking the rules. They appear to be incapable of seeing their behaviour for what it is, much like Piers Morgan demanding that Christmas be cancelled immediately before jetting off to the Caribbean for his Christmas holidays.

345464 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #879 of 1794 🔗

Just spoken to two such. Turning their noses up at (apparently) some young lads caught in a car going to McDonald’s in the early hours, while all along they too break the rules.

345443 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #880 of 1794 🔗

Gave it a thumbs down.

345456 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #881 of 1794 🔗

As did I.

345887 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin Finnerty, replying to Waldorf, #882 of 1794 🔗

And me.

345454 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #883 of 1794 🔗

I liked the guy, Mister Mate, who bought hundreds of blue masks to cover the window and door.

345576 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #884 of 1794 🔗

Shitty is out to lunch isn’t he????….Hello!! nobody fuckin home is there????…His eyes…absolutely vacant. I swear I saw the muzzle of a rifle just out of shot…

Looks like the comments are closed too. bastards

345884 ▶▶ Kevin Finnerty, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #885 of 1794 🔗

Loads of BTL comments on this, hardly any favourable and many hilarious. My favourite (referring to Whitty) “the appearance of one who has searched for the leak in life’s gas-pipe with a lighted candle.”

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345918 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #886 of 1794 🔗

they really couldn’t have chosen a less charismatic person to do a video than shitty whitty!!
Some comments are hilarious, these are funny

“Is it me, or does Chris Witty look as though he’s been dead for about 10 years”

“He looks like those zombies from i am legend. Even they had more charisma than him.”

345431 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 10, #887 of 1794 🔗

It was a good few years ago that I watched Braveheart (1995), the story of William Wallace. Not particularly accurate but it did tug at the heartstrings.

There was a scene at the end where Robert the Bruce was about to interject to speak up for Wallace but his father held him back. The time was not right.

In a similar fashion with effectively the end of Trump, those who were sitting silently to see which side would triumph are now emboldened to come out from hiding. Their side has won and it is the victors who will determine and record history from their perspective.

I feel that the world has become a more dangerous place, not because of some external threat of violence but rather from those who control what people are allowed to see and think.

The addage was always that knowledge is power and what is more powerful than being able to control what people know.

345465 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2021, 10, #888 of 1794 🔗

It’s not over yet, though things are looking grim. they have the high ground, but they have yet to mop up and consolidate their control and they are much more out in the open now. The next few years will determine whether we move to a managed opinion, pseudo-democratic technocracy or return to genuine-ish liberty.

Time for us all to choose our side.

345491 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #889 of 1794 🔗

The problem is the illegality is still there. As John Eastmann pointed out, 4 states ran elections outside of the laws of the state. Corrections and updates were not made by legislature but by courts and local officials. That is illegal under the Constitution and requires some restiution is some way. In Georgia the ballot machine audit in Fulton countty may force Purdue to sue if (as it was in another county) that machines flip votes. Purdue will sue as he would be have won and the run-off was not necessary. The Senate would flip back to being Republican.

The implications are massive but it all relies on being able to get the hearing and see the data. And what has transpired is that all levels of government are not addressing this and appear to be biased.

Those in power have unleashed real anger. This is where it starts. Covid was the catalyst.

345441 Squire Western, replying to Squire Western, 11, #890 of 1794 🔗

I hope the public throw snowballs at the police.

345526 ▶▶ alw, replying to Squire Western, 3, #891 of 1794 🔗

Wonder if the 14% Police absenteeism in the Met has anything to do with them being p…d off with the nonsensical lockdown regulations?

345730 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to alw, 2, #892 of 1794 🔗

and having to wear a face nappy.

345965 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to alw, 1, #893 of 1794 🔗

Or being asked to bully people who are exercising their democratic rights.

345865 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Squire Western, #894 of 1794 🔗

with rocks inside

345445 Hieronimusb, 13, #895 of 1794 🔗

As the principles of freedom and responsibility that have been handed down to us by countless generations who fought to establish and preserve them become progressively and deliberately eroded on the pretext of unachievable and illusory physical safety, how can we expect our children to have respect for the liberty which they will never experience, which is being denied to each and every one of us that does not fight this obscenity with our every breath.

345446 Edward, replying to Edward, 25, #896 of 1794 🔗

Here’s my roll of honour and dishonour – best at the top, worst at the bottom. The honourable people are those who are doing their best to carry on working normally. Of course there are bad among the good (shop workers aggressively demanding masking) and good among the bad (some medical workers and teachers, a few police and politicians, though only 16 in the House of Commons).
1. Shop workers
2. Delivery van and lorry drivers
3. Bin collectors
4. Tradespeople – plumbers, motor mechanics etc.
5. Bus and train drivers (who must find it dispiriting to drive near-empty vehicles around all day)
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50. Office workers are somewhere in the middle. Some want nothing more than to work in the office with their colleagues. Other work from home and do it well, still others regard it as an opportunity for slacking.
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It’s a bit crowded at the dishonourable end, from those who cravenly comply with tyranny to those who order and enforce it.
92. Arts and entertainment people
93. Medical staff
94. Teachers
95. Church officials and clergy
96. Human rights organisations (who have kept silent)
97. Police
98. Mainstream media
99. Advisers to politicians (including SAGE)
100. Politicians

345452 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, 11, #897 of 1794 🔗

Bit of a supply chain problem in Sainsbury’s this morning – not due to panic buying, but whatever is the opposite – passive non-buying? There were a lot of two-pint bottles of milk on sale at half-price, having reached their use-by date. The supermarkets will probably use the lack of demand as an excuse to pay even less to the farmers than they do at present.

345467 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Edward, 13, #898 of 1794 🔗

Hand sanitizer was on the clearance rack at my local Tesco yesterday!

345472 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Edward, 7, #899 of 1794 🔗

Don’t suppose they had any milk of human kindness, just the usual semi-skilled, full fact, and whitewater.

345610 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #900 of 1794 🔗

That would be a good laugh, if stopped by a mask marshal in Tesco, say you are looking for milk, the milk of himself kindness. Or try asking at the customer service desk.

345869 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Edward, #901 of 1794 🔗

Thank you, I’m in group 2.

345466 Dartford44, 16, #902 of 1794 🔗

Can someone please tell me how many u64s without any underlying conditions have died.Is it still under 400.
To me,this has to be a selling point for us(perhaps wrong terminology).
As and when we vaccinate 13 million, it will become very hard for the tossers in charge not to lock us up more.
Things are changing. People have had enough more cars on the road,no happy clapping.

345470 Basics, replying to Basics, 15, #903 of 1794 🔗

Random streaming from the streets of London revealing busy streets cars bikes pedestrians. Lots of people going about life. Not in toueist areas but further affield.

345473 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Basics, 5, #904 of 1794 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz4MUM8lbeY
Watching this now, I am amazed at how busy it is, despite most things being closed, its a really busy Saturday in London.

345479 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to liztr835, 4, #905 of 1794 🔗

It is good to see. Steam in police spy cam control rooms as they realise there’s nothing even their botherboys the tsg can do.

Next up, curfew or something like wiry firebreak lunch curfews or whatever, back to the law makers to clamp on down. The people out and about will be directly impacted by the response restrictions – they are awake in everyday numbers.

345484 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to liztr835, 11, #906 of 1794 🔗

Good news indeed, keep it coming. Think I’ll go over to the beach at Tenby, stick two fingers up to Covidity and kick some sand in its face.

345574 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #907 of 1794 🔗

Hey, how come I missed you?

345892 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Annie, #908 of 1794 🔗

We got there about 3.30, walked along south beach and up onto the headland, got back an hour ago. We’ll have to communicate better!

345499 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to liztr835, 4, #909 of 1794 🔗

It seems plod is watching youtube and making a display infront of the stream cams. Absolutely fruitless given the massive number of folk going about living.

Police control putting bands of plod into youtubers live streams.

345505 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Basics, 12, #910 of 1794 🔗

Lots of people out walking in the snow and ice round here, despite it being lethal after thawing and refreezing, kids on sledges, runners, dogs. No masks on the country paths, smiles and chats and only polite distancing when passing. More masks in the town centre but I honestly think it’s just people moving between nearby shops who can’t be bothered taking them off between. No distancing to speak off either. Compliance is definitely waning. I can’t see a mandatory outdoor masking being observed other than by zealots.

345514 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Fiona Walker, 3, #911 of 1794 🔗

Agree re mask behaviour keeping them on, cold snotty mask is not a good feeling, better keep it on at least its warm snot that way.

345517 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Basics, 3, #912 of 1794 🔗

Yuk.

346049 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #913 of 1794 🔗

About time compliance did wane, in fact it should have waned after the first 3 week lockdown in March and the muzzle mandate should have been laughed at and totally ignored.

345612 ▶▶ New name old face, replying to Basics, 3, #914 of 1794 🔗

Our local market town also heaving 👍🏼

345474 Basics, 18, #915 of 1794 🔗

Covid marshal sacked for chasing man and threatening him with ARREST https://mol.im/a/9127573 via @MailOnline

Employ thugs get thugs. The job is for thugs.

345475 swedenborg, 18, #916 of 1794 🔗

Who is Dr Lawrie? Some lunatic C-19 denier? No.She heads an evidence based business going through Ivermectin RCT studies and find it useful looking at published studies. She then post a video trying to influence BJ to act.
Does this warrant censorship,Gove?

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1347853201920421889

Dr Lawrie’s appeal to the British Prime Minister to consider ivermectin against Covid-19 in all urgency has been suppressed by youtube. Those are dark times of scientific debate elimination, freedom of speech suppression, statist subservience and wanton obscurantism.

345477 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #917 of 1794 🔗

A lot of talk about wearing masks outdoors
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13693161/face-masks-compulsory-tougher-coronavirus-restrictions/
As far as I am aware there is no evidence that the disease spreads outdoors and certainly no evidence that facemasks will stop the virus at all. People seem to have some quaint ‘old wives tale’ cod science view that the nasty virus is bound to be stopped by some scrotty old bit of cloth. Having worked on health and safety and dust prevention I know that it is very hard to use a mask to stop dusts, you really need to put dust control on the machinery, to prevent the dust in the first place. A bit of cloth will not do it and so it is unlikely to stop a virus.
Indeed I wonder if face masks make things worse as people think by wearing one they are invulnerable and do not need to take other measures.

345481 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #918 of 1794 🔗

People who wear face knickers voluntarily are the scaredest of scaredy cats, the very last people to neglect other ‘precautions’.

345492 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 8, #919 of 1794 🔗

On the contrary, face mask wearers routinely ignore the two metre social distancing rule.

345507 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #920 of 1794 🔗

Which is Anders Tegnell’s reasoning too.

345489 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #921 of 1794 🔗

The government know that face masks do not prevent the transmission of the virus. Chris Whitty was asked by a House of Commons Select Committee about the evidence base for the government’s adoption of mandatory face masks policy. He said that the evidence had not changed; what had changed was the interpretation.

345542 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #922 of 1794 🔗

The Health & Safety Executive conducted a thorough investigation in 2008 proving masks useless at stopping viral transmission. So it has been scientifically proven that masks do nothing. Hope the link works. http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr619.pdf

345558 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 7, #923 of 1794 🔗

As the study clearly states:

Live viruses could be detected in the air behind all surgical masks tested

The government know that there is no scientific basis for all their restrictions, which is precisely why they have exploited the “the science” rhetoric. The restrictions are all pseudoscience. All of them. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/10/coronavirus-pseudoscience.html

345739 ▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #924 of 1794 🔗

The proverbial mask has now slipped and the government can’t put this genie back in its box. I’ve read at least 8 other independent studies into facemasks as well as the HSE one which have ALL come to exactly the same conclusions; masks don’t work. People are being had.

346042 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, #925 of 1794 🔗

Whitty always chooses his words very carefully.

345533 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #926 of 1794 🔗

Comments mainly sceptical

345630 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #927 of 1794 🔗

Having worked in the coal mines for 25 years, water sprays are the only way to suppress dust effectively & even then not 100%.

345664 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #928 of 1794 🔗

Indeed I wonder if face masks make things worse as people think by wearing one they are invulnerable and do not need to take other measures .

As already pointed out, that’s the argument the Swedes used.

Other hypothesized routes by which masks likely promote spread:

Buildup of virus on damp mask surfaces with consequent contact contamination.

Increased distance projection by aerosol creation.
https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1320060012673236993

345478 Will, replying to Will, 6, #929 of 1794 🔗

Very satisfying evisceration of a particularly loathsome lockdown Lucy on Facebook. Thank you to everyone on here who helps furnish the debate and supply the content to enable such moments!!!! It was nearly a Gareth Cheeseman moment!?!

345498 ▶▶ mj, replying to Will, 3, #930 of 1794 🔗

good one !

345527 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to mj, 1, #931 of 1794 🔗

I was thinking of The Steve Coogan Gareth but that one will do.

345582 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Will, 2, #932 of 1794 🔗

first sign of senility is mixing up your Gareths .

345671 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 1, #933 of 1794 🔗

LS is definitely a fantastic armoury for the debates out there.

345483 cerati, replying to cerati, 28, #934 of 1794 🔗

The average zombie puts up with this crap because they haven’t been caused anything they see as threatening to them personally. It’s all about the empty virtue while they get their free money and daily trips off to the supermarket.

I suggest we make them feel enough discomfort that their virtue evaporated in the face of their own survival.

It’s time to launch a public campaign.

Purpose: To get ALL supermarket staff PCR tested, even those non-customer facing, as if it’s the only place people can go to, but the case numbers and hospital numbers keep going up, it must be the supermarkets spreading it. It fits with their idiot logic perfectly, and the zombies love their testing, so they’ll lap it up. They’re being good people. Saving lives.

Then, as with everywhere else, the PCR false positives will go through the roof and the supermarkets will start to experience a staffing crisis caused by staff self-isolation. When it starts to affect the zombies availability to feed themselves and/or their families, then there’s a good chance they’ll finally start to kick off.

I realise there’s a chance I’ve gone insane at this point and this is a dangerous idea 😂 so anyone telling me I’m mad is fine haha

345502 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to cerati, 11, #935 of 1794 🔗

Like it. Let’s try and accelerate this shitshow to get to the zealots logical conclusion sooner. If you’re going through hell go through quickly.

345521 ▶▶▶ cerati, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #936 of 1794 🔗

I just figure they’d be willing to live in this state of limbo forever. They are constantly ‘nudging’.

Maybe it’s time we start nudging back on our own terms and use their own fear and compliance against them.

345525 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to cerati, 5, #937 of 1794 🔗

Good idea.

If one relentlessly applies ‘covid logic’ , then that is where it leads.

One could imagine a supemarket having to close completely under those ciecumstances.

Also, along the same lines, the 6 foot should be rigorously enforced on public transport, severely limiting the number of passengers even more.

345529 ▶▶▶ cerati, replying to rockoman, 8, #938 of 1794 🔗

Agree 👍🏻 It’s like you become the ultimate hyper-zealot. If they don’t comply with your demands for things that start to shut down society, it’s because they don’t care and they’re selfish and want ppl to die. Same argument applies to a government who won’t do it “you have blood on your hands” and “you’re letting people die”.

I’ve had enough of these complicit sheep. It’s time to make it hurt enough that they revolt en made against the measures.

345545 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to cerati, 2, #939 of 1794 🔗

One could form volunteer ‘Social Distance Enforcement Brigades’ patrolling public spaces maing sure that the six feet are maintained and constantly reminding people to wear masks.

When one sees people conversing with each other, one could remind them not to speak, because ‘it spreads the virus’.

The enforces would be in pairs obviously.

345552 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to rockoman, 3, #940 of 1794 🔗

Members of the Brigades would be readily identifiable by the two metre rods of office they routinely carried and used as ready measure of compliance.

345602 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #941 of 1794 🔗

I carry a 2m tape measure on my key ring. Any phobic who wants to query social distancing gets offered the use of my ruler!

345606 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Alan P, #942 of 1794 🔗

My extended arm and walking stick must be close to that, will it do?

345565 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to rockoman, 4, #943 of 1794 🔗

The Co-op, the only food shop in my elderly. friend’s large village, closed for four weeks last year after a member of staff tested pos. The bus service from the village is (of course) lousy, so God help you if you were housebound and without a neighbour willing to post an occasional crumb through your letter box.

345722 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to rockoman, 4, #944 of 1794 🔗

Back in March, furloughed John Lewis staff were trained to use Waitrose tills, so that if a Waitrose supermarket got an outbreak, they could shut the store briefly whilst they deep cleaned it, then open up again with the JL staff. Never had to deploy them of course.

345548 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to cerati, 9, #945 of 1794 🔗

Did you read Hans Helmut Krist’s novel, Party Games? It is about an anti-Nazi who joins the Nazi party and causes utter mayhem by taking Nazi ideology seriously, encouraging the Nazis to completely undermine themselves.

345717 ▶▶ Felice, replying to cerati, 4, #946 of 1794 🔗

I know someone who works for Waitrose in Cambridge. The company has invested in a testing machine for the site which covers both the JL logistics depot next door and the supermarket, so that they can get a test done far more quickly than via the NHS.
Guess what sort of test they use? The lateral flow test, of course! They are not stupid. The logistics depot was starting to get worried as drivers and porters were having to self isolate in large numbers. Now they can go next door and get a test and head off to work 15 mins later.

345494 Basics, 13, #947 of 1794 🔗

Given this woman is directly responsible for a care home disaster, one of the worlds worst responses to the c19, locking up 5.5 million people I believe this story stating that Alex Salmond is suggesting/saying/strongly that the woman has lied is appropriate to post here.
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/2799373/salmond-sturgeon-claim/
At the start of lockdown salmond made a statement he had much more to say but would keep quiet while the lockdown unfolded.

345509 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), 5, #949 of 1794 🔗

This is wonderful! Thank you for sharing 🙂 We have to focus on the future we want to create, not the one we’re being herded towards.

345510 Londo Mollari, 1, #950 of 1794 🔗
345511 Basics, replying to Basics, 26, #951 of 1794 🔗

Paris are out and Marching in numbers. Pick your own live stream. Many, many people good spirits .

345535 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #952 of 1794 🔗

Paris TFI (?) French national broadcaster building is barricaded. Not a manned barricade but fenced around. Good natured protestors have arrived outside to make noise and presence felt. Zero violence. Zero tsg-like police. Peaceful.

345519 Julian, 7, #953 of 1794 🔗

I posted this earlier but for those who missed it:

Very dispirited to receive this:
Back to Normal Campaign Funding
We have just passed £2,000. Thank you to all our contributors. It is much appreciated and helps keep the website, card production, delivery and administration going!

They are leafletting – all volunteers, and need funds

345524 Fiona Walker, replying to Fiona Walker, 9, #954 of 1794 🔗

Does anyone know if all deaths recorded within 28 days of receiving the vaccine will be recorded as “vaccine deaths” (even if clearly from something else). And if not, why not?

345528 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Fiona Walker, 7, #955 of 1794 🔗

That won’t fit the narrative.

345536 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Fiona Walker, 8, #956 of 1794 🔗

The authorities and their media allies have been quick to point out when anyone has died shortly after being injected with the Pfizer vaccine that there is no correlation – which is a weird use of the language as the correlation could not be more plain.

345531 Boxfish, replying to Boxfish, 9, #957 of 1794 🔗

If you die of Covid within 28 days it is a Covid death (even if you fall off a ladder) then if you die within 28 days of vaccination is it a vaccine death?

345546 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Boxfish, 9, #958 of 1794 🔗

No, that’s completely different. Don’t you Follow The Science?

345560 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Boxfish, 3, #959 of 1794 🔗

No, it’s a ladder death.

345649 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Boxfish, 4, #960 of 1794 🔗

“These people were at death’s door anyway, it’s nothing to do with the vaccine.” – Expert in Press Correspondence and Truth, Pfizer

345534 EllGee, replying to EllGee, 64, #961 of 1794 🔗

Walking this morning at a local beauty spot (1,000+ acres). A glorious day in early January. There were hundreds of people there at not a mask to be seen anywhere. Everyone was being respectful of personal space. There were family and friends groups and some had even got flasks and sandwiches.
Everybody was speaking to everybody else and, as distances were being observed, you could hear conversations. One older lady, with her husband, was saying that they had come out for one of life’s little pleasures, a walk, a coffee and a chat. Those few words sum everything up. Giving my age away here, we will not bow down to the Borg-we do not comply. Observing personal space, washing hands a lot, no problem. Being TOLD that life’s little pleasures still can’t happen and it’s very polite non compliance.
Been out and about all week, sometimes walking, sometimes cycling and today was the busiest by a long way. The Government will have to attempt something (another variant perhaps) because if the gentle social disobedience in this small part of the north midlands is anything to go by they are rapidly loosing the support of the country

345540 ▶▶ Basics, replying to EllGee, 13, #962 of 1794 🔗

Excellent report of perfect response to this government. Thanks for writing.

345561 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to EllGee, 14, #963 of 1794 🔗

However many variants they come up with, doing what you are doing is far more healthy than sitting on your arse inside. The weight gain from a totally sedentary existence for months, ordered by this lousy government would certainly put extra strain on the NHS.

345751 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to EllGee, 5, #964 of 1794 🔗

The best way to rebel to all the lockdown nonsense is to just act normal. People doing that seems to irk the doomsters, maskoids and zealots the best.

345539 Jane G, replying to Jane G, 11, #965 of 1794 🔗

Any Answers depressing as usual- uniform demands for tighter, stricter lockdown and much use of ‘Covidiot’ to describe other humans. Heartened that so many were there to be complained about!

345622 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Jane G, 2, #966 of 1794 🔗
345625 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jane G, 5, #967 of 1794 🔗

I used to listen to any answers and any questions afterwards nearly every Saturday but haven’t listened since February. I will never listen to or watch anything on the BBC EVER again.

346058 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Two-Six, 1, #968 of 1794 🔗

Same here. A sceptic friend of mine also told me he is never buying another newspaper or paying for mainstream newspaper content online – I’m inclined to agree with him on that as well.

346132 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #969 of 1794 🔗

Decades ago, I used to listen to Any Answers while I did the ironing. I used to get so mad, I weilded the iron with great gusto.
Don’t iron anything nowadays ……!

345541 Hieronimusb, 2, #970 of 1794 🔗

Bringing Shakespeare up to date: If ridicule and factual evidence be the food of liberty, play on! I grew up in Stratford-upon-Avon, forgive me William, I grow desperate!

345544 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #971 of 1794 🔗

These are real data CDC. Adverse effects influenza vaccine 180 million doses versus 4 million doses C-19 vaccine (mostly first dose).
C-19 is much more dangerous than flu vaccine.20 times more life threating events than flu vaccine.
Certainly in high C-19 risk groups this risk is most likely worth taking. For others?
The main concern is younger people and HCW. Everyone should make an informed choice and not be bullied, otherwise we could have a public health disaster in front of us.
How can anyone consider mandatory vaccinations?


https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1347695793587814406/photo/1

345549 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to swedenborg, 4, #972 of 1794 🔗

WOW, it would be safer doing deep sea scuba diving or rock climbing than having the c19 jab….By the looks of things.

345551 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Two-Six, 5, #973 of 1794 🔗

And much more fun

345553 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Two-Six, 3, #974 of 1794 🔗

Riding a motorbike is more dangerous than climbing.

345586 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #975 of 1794 🔗

Riding a motorbike up a mountain safe than a C19 jab?

345554 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to swedenborg, 1, #976 of 1794 🔗

Do you know of similar data for other countries?

345888 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to godowneasy, 1, #977 of 1794 🔗

No. The European vaccination has been rather slow except in Germany (1 million vaccinated).The US data is very transparent probably reflecting the amount of lawyers in the US.

345637 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #978 of 1794 🔗

Certainly in high C-19 risk groups this risk is most likely worth taking.”

I think not, assessing the whole picture/data (or lack of in the case of C-19 vaccine)

345889 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to RickH, #979 of 1794 🔗

Let me clarify.The highest risk seems to be persons in long term care.It seems impossible in the long run to stop getting them infected there. They have about 1 years life left. But the risk is high of infection and 20-25% will die of C-19 but similarly 75 % will be unaffected. Elderly outside long term care might shelter a bit more effectively but for how long and is that sheltered life worth living? They have to make a choice.The only positive in the figures above is that anaphylactic reactions seems to be extremely rare over 60 but other more acute deaths of the vaccines is still possible in the elderly. A young man with diabetes, extreme obesity, commuting for his work in the tube in London would reasonably be recommended but a healthy 25 year old woman in health care?

345550 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #980 of 1794 🔗

https://youtu.be/MTYvp0eXOy4

1.5 min video. Carle Vernon. Act like you’ve got it. The visual is depply unpleasant of what I see as a deeply unhealthy man. But don’t let that stop you Carl makes some great points. – Carl isn’t the visual this video.

345577 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basics, 4, #981 of 1794 🔗

Deeply unpleasant ? Understatement!

345555 Leaky, replying to Leaky, 48, #982 of 1794 🔗

My latest missive to my local (Conservative) MP:

It is inconceivable, even in your Westminster ‘bubble’, that you are not aware (or have not been made aware) of one simple fact: the observed (not predicted, nor modelled, nor contrived) Covid-19 infection survival rate is 99.9% (perhaps higher now given the improvements in treatments during the past 9 months and inflation of the Covid-19 deaths); or, put another way, for healthy citizens aged under 70, the mortality rate is less than for seasonal influenza.

So, perhaps you can explain why this Government’s response has been to commit repeated, multiple acts of harm on all of its citizens, with dire consequences unparalleled in this country’s history and rivalling those perpetrated by Germany’s Third Reich on its own citizens during the 1930s?

To the growing list of atrocities, we must now add State-sponsored mass vaccination, using misinformation and coercion (both in contravention of the Nuremberg Code and Human Rights Act) to urge citizens to take an experimental vaccine with significant known risks and unquantifiable risks of unknown severity . The Pfizer vaccine, incidentally, is less effective than the human immune system (=99.9%, as above), does not shield recipients from the virus (only reduces the severity of symptoms), and offers no benefits to natural herd immunity.

These ‘crimes against humanity’ are not the consequence of unfortunate policy blunders; nor are Government policies and actions supported by any reputable evidence-based science (or even consistent with WHO advice) or appropriate cost/benefit analyses; they are ‘simply’ the product of an evil regime, underpinned by a broad, coordinated and relentless campaign of lies, misinformation, fear-mongering and psychological warfare.

You may (or may not) be asking ‘Why would a (Conservative) Government be inflicting so much harm on its own citizens?’ I’ll give you a clue – it has nothing to do with the Covid-19 virus and certainly nothing to do with safeguarding the health and wellbeing of citizens, as the evidence testifies.

Whether you subscribe to the view that our Government has been ‘captured’ and its Ministers are simply ‘useful idiots’, or in fact that they are masterminding these crimes against its own citizens, they are unfit for high office and need to be removed immediately.

So, you now face a stark choice. Will you continue to support and cheer on this evil regime, or make a stand on behalf of the people who you are supposed to serve in their best interests?

As proof of your support for and commitment to (I presume) the latter cause, I would urge you to work urgently with colleagues to:

  • Demand the immediate sacking of all of the Government’s scientific advisors, including SAGE and NERVTAG members, and the appointment of a new, more balanced (and not compromised) panel of leading virologists, immunologists and non-scientific (e.g. economic) advisors;
  • Demand the immediate lifting of all restrictions, the immediate suspension of all PCR testing, and the cessation of all Covid-19 vaccinations, accompanied by a policy of ‘targeted shielding of the vulnerable’ (as advocated in the Great Barrington Declaration);
  • If either, or both, of these two previous actions are beyond your sphere of influence, seek the resignation of the PM.

Your actions are required urgently in the national interest (Party considerations need to be suspended) and any inaction is indefensible.

Please excuse the rather blunt language but this stems from my growing anger and frustration. I await your reply.

345557 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Leaky, 5, #983 of 1794 🔗

Well leaked, Leaky!

345652 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Leaky, 5, #984 of 1794 🔗

Great letter but I would have added to the demands that in future all government advisors are required to declare vestedl interests, both by relationship or financial, to prevent what the like sof Vallance and Ferguson have been able to hide from the general public regarding their ties to the pharmacutical industry.

Secondly, as a matter of urgency, repeal section 45 of the Public Health Act and pass new legislation that ensures that on no future occasion can an indivual or very small number of individuals usurp Parliament and put in place legislation without proper and timely scrutiny by both Houses.

345896 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Leaky, #985 of 1794 🔗

Great letter.

345556 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 55, #986 of 1794 🔗

So I return from my life treating walk in Crystal Palace and I have to report that t looks like nobody in SE London listens to Boris or Sadiq as the park was heaving with people.Families,elderly, couples, friends,people sitting on benches eating,enjoying the sun.Hardly a mask in sight and playground full of children. Small victory but looks like,if only for today people have had enough of this shit. Great outing, now home for a cup of tea and cake.

345575 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Thomas_E, 25, #987 of 1794 🔗

Just been out swordfighting (exercise – not recreational sport fencing) in my local park – plenty of people out enjoying the sun, lots of positive responses, no “you could be killing granny by doing that” nonsense and no police in sight. No idea if it was legal or not – been ignoring the laws for so long I don’t know what is and isn’t “legal” these days.

345623 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mark, 1, #988 of 1794 🔗

Rapier and dagger?

345676 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 3, #989 of 1794 🔗

Sabres and longswords (separately), today. Plus big sticks.

345944 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mark, #990 of 1794 🔗

Quarter staffs. Very jealous. Never did much two handed work when I was at drama school.

346087 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, #991 of 1794 🔗

I suppose the more thrusty rapier and smallsword stuff is better for dramatic purposes – less momentum. Have you managed to use any of it? The most fun is the sabre I think, but I like to dabble in them all. Jack of all trades…

The stick stuff we are starting to do is based on broadly the same German C16th techniques as longsword – bit like what this chap in the flamboyant Landsknecht pantaloons is doing here, but our sticks are a bit heavier:

https://youtu.be/16RamZ4_E7M

345562 SurreyAlan, replying to SurreyAlan, 26, #992 of 1794 🔗

How come Chris Whitty is the most trusted face? After his 4000 deaths a day claim I’d have thought he was the least trusted face.

345573 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to SurreyAlan, 12, #993 of 1794 🔗

Now HE’s someone whose face must be vastly improved by the wearing of a muzzle.

345579 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Banjones, 1, #994 of 1794 🔗

Though even in his case, the breath would probably be worsened.

345842 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Banjones, #995 of 1794 🔗

I was gonna say something about a shovel…but thought better of it.

345585 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to SurreyAlan, 4, #996 of 1794 🔗

The only face left. A sort of Eva Braun

345598 ▶▶ Julian, replying to SurreyAlan, 3, #997 of 1794 🔗

Who remembers that claim, apart from us?

345621 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Julian, 4, #998 of 1794 🔗

Quite a few people, probably 15 million, who are now ignoring everything the government has to say, rendering this “lockdown” completely pointless.

345640 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 3, #999 of 1794 🔗

I think the 15 million are mainly just acting on instinct and fed up with it, doubt many of them remember the 4,000

Most people I know in real life who are sceptics are so inclined naturally and have not done much research (and paying close attention to predictions is I am afraid “research” for most)

345626 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 4, #1000 of 1794 🔗

Good point. The perceptions of the general ‘pubic’ are those of a Derren Brown conditioned audience.

346054 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, #1001 of 1794 🔗

I remember an episode of Derren Brown where he convinced some people the theatre was haunted, but then told them it was all done through suggestion and hypnosis. Some of them still refused to believe him despite being shown evidence otherwise, and claimed it was haunted.

345698 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to SurreyAlan, 2, #1002 of 1794 🔗

I thought JVT was the acceptable face of lockdown. Chris “dim” Whitty has zero chance of changing behaviour.

345564 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 21, #1003 of 1794 🔗

Another country’s mask story,Ireland.

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1347630549834190854

 “Guys. Ireland’s new case growth is literally a straight line up. Cases are up 1671% in only six weeks since their “outdoor spaces” mandate on 11/27. 6431% since 8/10. Can we stop pretending it would be worse without masks, because it is impossible to do worse than this.

345567 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1004 of 1794 🔗

And here are more who believe that positive (false) test results are ”cases”. It’s pathetic.

345831 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Banjones, 4, #1005 of 1794 🔗

Of course there is a great overcounting and most are false pos or old positives. But you can use bad public health data if it is done constantly. The important thing here is not the total numbers but the trend. Even if there are only 10% true cases all the time, it still shows mask are useless.

345581 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1006 of 1794 🔗

Why did “cases” plummet in October? How can that be accounted account for?

345613 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ned of the Hills, 9, #1007 of 1794 🔗

Cases linked to more testing. Schools. Going back prompted any parent not paying attention to get their kid tested, and likely the whole family too. Also, the kids back together picking up normal colds and other normal things.

Cases are 95% noise in my opinion. Ireland is being destroyed. And its so crushingly compliant.

345620 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1008 of 1794 🔗

… and the mortality figures (Euromomo) show absolutely nothing abnormal happening in Ireland.

345900 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 1, #1009 of 1794 🔗

The virus is going to do what the virus is going to do. I suspect there are going to be some brutal death figures in Ireland by the end of the month. Just shows the stupidity of attempting a zero covid policy.

345599 ▶▶ stevie, replying to swedenborg, 13, #1010 of 1794 🔗

I do wonder if masks actually make it worse by restricting breathing and concentrating the virus on the cloth.

345767 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to stevie, 4, #1011 of 1794 🔗

They do. I would be interesting to know how many people have been hospitalized from excessive/coerced mask wearing. I wouldn’t surprise me if its quite a big number.

345839 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stevie, 3, #1012 of 1794 🔗

I think that’s IS THE WHOLE POINT OF MASKS. To drive respirator infections of all kinds. To rag every bodies immune systems to crap so they get their cases and deaths. Bastards. The psychological warfare aspect of masks is also one of the main reasons they are mandated. It’s pure evil.

345936 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to stevie, #1013 of 1794 🔗

And people constantly fiddling with the buggers.

345933 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, #1014 of 1794 🔗

I suspect my Munster game tonight will be the last rugby I watch for a while.

345954 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to swedenborg, #1015 of 1794 🔗

Priceless!

345568 Leaky, replying to Leaky, 15, #1016 of 1794 🔗

And what was his reply?

Thank you for your email of 29 th December in which you express your concern about the way in which the government has responded to the COVID-19 pandemic. Although I supported the original lockdown in March 2020, believing it to be necessary in order to compensate for the lack of preparation by the NHS, I have voted against all subsequent regulations, restrictions and lockdowns, including that debated in Parliament on Wednesday 6 th January.

I share your anger and frustration and hope that the Prime Minister will respond to his own strong libertarian instincts.

FFS! Really? And this is from a member of the CRG…

345589 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Leaky, 12, #1017 of 1794 🔗

Back in 2016 Exercise Cygnus concluded that in the event of a pandemic the NHS would be overwhelmed. The government decided not to increase NHS capacity.

345618 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1018 of 1794 🔗

This is one line of truthful counter-attack – the culpability of the government’s predecessors in creating any shortfall in the capacity of the NHS to cope with a totally normal situation..

Tell it as it is – an exercise in the covering of a culpable arse.

345638 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, 1, #1019 of 1794 🔗

Probably the only ‘angle’ we have right now that isn’t totally ignored. We get blamed to divert attention away from successive ministers for health’s failings.

345929 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, #1020 of 1794 🔗

Which is why they aren’t telling everyone the real reason the NHS is struggling, fewer beds and fewer staff to service them.

345571 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 24, #1021 of 1794 🔗

Desperation isn’t setting in, is it?
2 more scientists (where do they keep finding them from?) warn that lockdown needs to be stricter.
Professor Robert West: “present rules were still allowing a lot of a activity which is spreading the virus”.
Professor Susan Michie: “the restrictions are too lax”.
“Normal” people are voting with their feet (and cars).
Plenty of folks about in South Shropshire, North Worcestershire and the West Midlands during our 40 mile “essential” trip today.
Saw 2 lots of coppers; 1 police car and 2 coppers in a park. ( probably stopping people sitting on the benches, ( as advised by “Mighty” Gove.)

345588 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Fingerache Philip, 22, #1022 of 1794 🔗

If the numbers (coronavirus related deaths, cases, the R number, hospitalisations, whatever) go down, it proves the restrictions are effective; if the numbers go up, it proves the need for more draconian restrictions/enforcement. The official narrative is unfalsifiable. Whatever happens, lockdown is the only policy.

345597 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #1023 of 1794 🔗

Unfalsifiability has been key in keeping this going

345619 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1024 of 1794 🔗

It’s the only policy because it’s the only idea their shrivelled little minds can contain.

345927 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1025 of 1794 🔗

The art of successful politics is fulfilling the self fulfilling prophecy.

345595 ▶▶ davews, replying to Fingerache Philip, 21, #1026 of 1794 🔗

Just back from my usual walk in the woods. I have been doing this walk for years and I normally only see half a dozen people or so even on Saturdays. Today it was heaving – well not really, being woodland there is oodles of space for people to keep apart. A clear example that if you shut all the shops and restaurants and stop people going for days out in London what do you expect them to do – a rather nice afternoon so lets get out and get some fresh air. This healthy activity will do marvels to our overweight.

345601 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to davews, 7, #1027 of 1794 🔗

Yes Dave, I’ve still got to lose 3 pounds to get back to my pre Christmas weight; as long as I along with the wife don’t walk 5 miles from where we live and take a flask of coffee (picnic) with us.

345898 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1028 of 1794 🔗

Gove is the dead stick up Johnsons arse steering all this, he is a slippery toad and prefers to do his manoeuvring from behind the scenes.

345584 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #1029 of 1794 🔗

Professor Robert West on the BBC with the communist Michie demanding a stricter lockdown

Ex MOD

Usual funding from pharma

http://www.rjwest.co.uk/index.php

345608 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1030 of 1794 🔗

It’s a cabal. Pick a side people

345627 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1031 of 1794 🔗

Both psychologists, not Epidimiologists. Might as well ask a hairdresser.

345660 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1032 of 1794 🔗

I sent an e-mail to Michie last week to her UCL e-mail address asking her to explain her position and the facts and science that support it.

Unsurprisingly no reply.

345587 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1033 of 1794 🔗

The Richie Allen Show had a snippet of msm ‘xpert’ guest. Along the lines of kill a granny. The psychologists had primed this particular xpert with a new line to better hit that guilt/fear button in individuals.

Catching covid can mean loss of earnings for between 3-5 years, he said. Without evidence but our minds have long covid stored away in a back draw to make sense of his statement.

A dead person can’t work, he said.

Cynical to design such a statement at a time when so many have already lost so much due to the work of psychologists and manipulators.

Richie Allen Show on thursday has the snippet.

345646 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Basics, 7, #1034 of 1794 🔗

A dead person can’t work, he said.

Well, they can vote – at least, in the US.

So, with a bet of effort we might get some work out of them.

345654 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basics, 11, #1035 of 1794 🔗

Did anyone ask the granny if she wanted “saved” from the rest of her miserable life locked up in a small room isolated from all human contact existing not living not knowing she is not alive just not dead yet getting dosed with a cocktail of drugs that will screw her up for good?

345953 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Awkward Git, #1036 of 1794 🔗

And does anyone still believe this is about saving anyone’s life? No – really?

345590 zubin, #1037 of 1794 🔗

Brilliant Leaky

345591 Basics, 9, #1038 of 1794 🔗

Dis information – D eliberate
Mis information – M istaken

Disinformation is the accusation being levelled at sceptics.

Look up Disinformation it originates from Soviet era Russia where information supply and control was a tactical part of authority.

345593 Michael Ashcroft, replying to Michael Ashcroft, 22, #1039 of 1794 🔗

What we are now seeing proof of the failure of lockdowns, tiers, face masks, social distancing, and track and trace. Who is at fault ?
According to the MSM it is obviously the people who advocated a different policy.
Certainly not the people who imposed lockdowns, tiers, face masks, social distancing, and track and trace.
The analogy with the Xhosa Tribe, posted on here some weeks ago, becomes increasingly accurate.


345685 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Michael Ashcroft, #1040 of 1794 🔗

And I still nobody personally who has even had it.

345687 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Jaguarpig, #1041 of 1794 🔗

Doh Know

345894 ▶▶ Will, replying to Michael Ashcroft, #1042 of 1794 🔗

Hence why we have got to start quoting Vallance’s prophetic words as the basis for our arguments. I did it today with a Lockdown Lucy on Facebook and eviscerated her. They can come back with the “earlier/ harder” but then you hit them with peak of London infections was March 12th when there were 2 reported covid deaths in the UK.

345603 Kat, replying to Kat, 27, #1043 of 1794 🔗

You can’t go for a walk in the countryside with a friend but you can play Premiership football with at least 20 other blokes, plus a linesman and a referee.

345643 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Kat, 4, #1044 of 1794 🔗

Well, one keeps the masses occupied you see.

345689 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Kat, 4, #1045 of 1794 🔗

-and kiss and cuddle and spit on the pitch.

345755 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Kat, 1, #1046 of 1794 🔗

Neither offer the slightest threat.

345812 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Kat, #1047 of 1794 🔗

I think you’ll find you can if you really want to . . .

345611 microdave, replying to microdave, 12, #1048 of 1794 🔗

In view of widely different police tactics, I thought you all might be interested in this admission from Norfolk Plod:

“In terms of people travelling to other parts of the county to exercise, Miss Wvendth said the lockdown announcement did not restrict this”

and:

“We don’t have a power to stop people travelling to exercise but we would like people to think about it and stay local.”

Source: https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/officers-to-more-robust-policing-lockdown-6887560

345776 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to microdave, 2, #1049 of 1794 🔗

Lets face it, the police have pretty much lost the support of the public. Every bungle they make is another dent in public confidence.

345880 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 1, #1050 of 1794 🔗

I’ve been losing confidence in the police my whole life.

346249 ▶▶ gina, replying to microdave, #1051 of 1794 🔗

I think Norfolk police have done well in all of this. Taken a pragmatic policy decision I guess, based on their resources and the size of the county. I’m appreciative all the same.

345614 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 5, #1052 of 1794 🔗

This ‘super infectious mutant strain’ of the virus seems to be significant in the UK, South Africa and to a lesser extent Israel. The strain was identified sometime in September 2020. Around that time, these three countries started testing the mRNA vaccines. Now correlation isn’t causation, but it might be worth looking into if someone has the relevant skills and access to data.

345706 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ken Garoo, #1053 of 1794 🔗

Errr … It’s a fiction (in terms of its virulence etc.) … don’t build any counter-fantasies on it.

345615 Bruce Reynolds, 21, #1054 of 1794 🔗

Looking at the Guardian/Chris(I’m a pedo)Whitty scare campaign bollocks on screwtube..1.3k likes.. 4.3 dislikes.. comments very negative..sums it all up..

345616 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #1055 of 1794 🔗

Just wondering, with all these actions of on-line stuff getting cancelled and outlawed, how safe is this site? Is there some sort of contingency plan should there be any move to shut it down?

345624 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1056 of 1794 🔗

I hope it does in some way. I wish we’d all just stop engaging with this nonsense then they’d have nobody to blame and would have to own this shit show 100%.

345633 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1057 of 1794 🔗

Should shift the whole thing to Icelandic servers, in my opinion.

345634 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #1058 of 1794 🔗

It is mirrored every day to here https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm

345653 ▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1059 of 1794 🔗

I’m not sure about “outlawed”. Big tech in the US seems to be a law unto itself. It is they that are no platforming Trump and those associated with him and they that briefly removed Talk Radio last week. This was not a legal matter and had nothing to do with the UK. Talk Radio – regulated by Ofcom – was rightly reinstated.

And this is not new. Katie Hopkins was banned on twitter months ago.

This site is not run on any sort of platform like that (u-bend, farcebook, twatter, etc) so is not going to be affected by the machinations of big tech in the US.

It is always sensible to have back up data in case of problems though and we should not be complacent.

345681 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to John P, 2, #1060 of 1794 🔗

twitter bans Trump-meanwhile offensive tweets still appear on the Chinese Embassy in the US twitter page

345830 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to crimsonpirate, #1061 of 1794 🔗

Yes but thats different beacause reasons

Wah! orange man bad, we hate him because he didn’t start any new wars and got black employment levels to record highs! Wah!

345874 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Nessimmersion, #1062 of 1794 🔗

I can’t believe it: somebody who is still sane!

345628 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 27, #1063 of 1794 🔗

Glorious sunny day in London, with heaps of people out for a stroll or a bike ride. Through the milling crowds could just about be espied a new, scary Poster! “Covid 19, if you go out, you will spread it, people will die.” Presumably this means “you, Hoppy Uniatz.” I have a vague idea that it is illegal to make misleading health or medical claims in an advert without hard scientific evidence. Any lawyers reading this?

345632 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 20, #1064 of 1794 🔗

Extraordinary, from here in Thailand, to read about this propaganda blitz in the UK. They are really not just jumping the shark, they are lining up sharks and trying to vault them with Boris buses. They will fail. It will be ignominious.

345655 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #1065 of 1794 🔗

Yes, I think they’ve really done it now. I don’t generally watch the mainstream TV news and only glance through the online newspapers, but the fear porn propaganda has surpassed what I recall hearing about during the Cold War in the Soviet Union and it’s much worse than what I’ve seen in China. The government will lose credibility with those who were wavering (they lost it with us months ago), and that might be enough to bring about a turning point soon.

The problem is that many people (now mainly Covidians, not so many of those who have been reluctantly going along with it) will be even more frightened and will lash out at those of us who are awake. We’ve seen reports on this site of this happening. It will be ugly, but I think it can’t be avoided. I just hope the police come to their senses and cut back on the harsh tactics.

345701 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1066 of 1794 🔗

I’d like to agree, Tom. But – despite quite widespread detailed non-compliance – the pubic, in massive numbers, have gone along with each ratcheting up of egregious lying and fantasy.

345731 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to RickH, 3, #1067 of 1794 🔗

Yes, but there has to be a breaking point. The longer this goes on, the uglier (and more violent) it will be, so I hope it’s soon.

346261 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1068 of 1794 🔗

I do hope so!

345742 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #1069 of 1794 🔗

Why don’t people go down to parliament then and spread it over the politicians. Or walk into police stations and spread it around.

345668 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #1071 of 1794 🔗

a “mob”. I guess 2021 will be year of the mob

345639 Matt The Cat, #1072 of 1794 🔗

Just logged in today to appreciate the Bob Cartoon – so true.

345642 leggy, replying to leggy, 12, #1073 of 1794 🔗

So the Queen and Phillip have been jabbed up. If you believe that, I’ve got a bridge for sale.

345680 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to leggy, 1, #1074 of 1794 🔗

Die cunts

345789 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 2, #1075 of 1794 🔗

If Queenie allowed herself to be jabbed then I am VERY disappointed

345879 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Victoria, #1076 of 1794 🔗

Saline.

346057 ▶▶▶▶ tarfu, replying to Will, 1, #1077 of 1794 🔗

Possibly, but I bet they are as ignorant as most of the population.
“mRNA, GMO,ADE, sorry Cabbage, haven’t a clue”

345648 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 13, #1078 of 1794 🔗

I know we are lockdown sceptics here but I can’t help thinking that I’d like the Govt to crackdown harder. At some point they will over reach and people really will pushback. Don’t know what it will take. Perhaps an alcohol ban.

345695 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #1079 of 1794 🔗

The government have been very careful with each new restriction.It is always leaked and the reaction gauged before they proceed.

345729 ▶▶▶ Jody, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1080 of 1794 🔗

Yup, that’s what they do. It’s always “floated” in the media beforehand, partly to gauge opinion, and partly to to get the public used to whatever the idea is.

345903 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1081 of 1794 🔗

yes, they have. That’s how London went from tier 2 through 3 and 4 and now lockdown in a month without any resistance. The problem for the Govt is doing it this way they now have a situation whereby the parks and supermarkets are full of people and no one abiding by the spirit of lockdown.

345650 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 6, #1082 of 1794 🔗

Well, I got to and from Derbyshire earlier today without incident. Thanks for the publicity though, Derbyshire Police!

The roads going back seemed particularly quiet, with only lorries really visible on the M62 and M18. There was however far more local traffic and lots of pedestrians out walking everywhere.

Ended up visiting Bolsover and Chesterfield, and had a walk around both. A good day for my photography too! Bolsover, although very interesting and historic, also had a rather sad feel to it. A real place of contrasts for sure. A lot of boarded up pubs sadly. I fear that everywhere might look like this soon if this nonsense continues for much longer. The use of muzzles didn’t however seem as prevalent there as in Chesterfield.

345682 ▶▶ RickH, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1083 of 1794 🔗

I think Bolsover Castle is just a bit like that – Covid or no Covid. 🙂

A quick trip up to Haddon restores the balance.

345747 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1084 of 1794 🔗

Chesterfield is zombie central. Don’t know why that is but the fear is apparent.

345651 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 3, #1085 of 1794 🔗

Bit off topic, I notice WhatsApp is changing terms and conditions. Does anybody know any alternative?

345677 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 2, #1086 of 1794 🔗

Telegram

345758 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1087 of 1794 🔗

Thanks

345679 ▶▶ John P, replying to stefarm, -2, #1088 of 1794 🔗

I’ve never used it and I don’t even know what it is. Do you need an alternative?

Regarding changes in “terms and conditions” is that really important? What are they saying?

345822 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to John P, #1089 of 1794 🔗

It’s ok John, you are not missing anything. I’ll WhatsApp you later.

345775 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, #1090 of 1794 🔗

Was thinking earlier about zuckerborg needing to stamp out freespeech via whatsapp. I don’t know of an alternative. I’m last century.

345828 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, #1091 of 1794 🔗
345824 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to stefarm, #1092 of 1794 🔗

I just set up an account on Signal which looks pretty good. It also offers full functionality on the desktop.

345945 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to stefarm, #1093 of 1794 🔗

telegram or signal are alternative messaging sites.

345657 Jody, replying to Jody, 31, #1094 of 1794 🔗

I’m starting to get a sense that things are stirring here in France (having been astonished by the public’s apathy over the last ten months).

There was a decent demo, today, in my medium-sized city in the south-east; interestingly, the demonstrators and speakers put the focus on CHILDREN, and the effect that restrictive measures are having on them; children in France are required to mask-up from the age of six, in schools.

We’ve talked quite a bit recently on Lockdown Sceptics about the need to make our messages more emotive; I thought the French did rather a good job of that today.

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345658 ▶▶ Jody, replying to Jody, 7, #1095 of 1794 🔗

I managed to get some snaps…

345673 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jody, 8, #1096 of 1794 🔗

Yes. I think we need to balance good hard data with emotive messages about the damage being done.

The child abuse line should be reinforced heavily – and quite justifiably, since the cumulative effect of these widespread Covid-driven abuses are far greater than the incidence of sexual abuse.

345702 ▶▶▶ Jody, replying to RickH, 18, #1097 of 1794 🔗

I have a six year old daughter, and I hate myself for putting the mask on her face, when she goes into school in the morning (although not as much as I hate the criminals who force me to do it).

I seriously considered pulling her out of school when they brought in the restriction, but the problem is that I have to go out and work and earn a living, in order to put food in her mouth and a roof over her head. It’s just a terrible form of coercion.

345732 ▶▶▶▶ Tangelo, replying to Jody, 1, #1098 of 1794 🔗

Jody. You don’t have to mask any child under 11

345735 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Tangelo, 2, #1099 of 1794 🔗

It’s compulsory for children aged six and over, in school, in France.

345875 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Jody, 6, #1100 of 1794 🔗

I am so sorry to read this, Jody, it makes me shake with rage at what these arrogant scientists and stupid politicians are doing to our children.

345675 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jody, 6, #1101 of 1794 🔗

Allez France.
But some German comes to mind:

Was wird das nächste Mal aus den Kindern?Nun? (Erich Kästner)

(What will become of the children next time?Hey?

345787 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jody, 1, #1102 of 1794 🔗

Yes we should focus on the school closures and the negative effect on children

345794 ▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Victoria, 3, #1103 of 1794 🔗

Absolutely agreed. It’s a key area of vulnerability for the government.

345941 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Victoria, #1104 of 1794 🔗

Absolutely. I sent a letter to Gavin Williamson about this a couple of days ago, copied to Boris, Wancock, Gove, Sunak, Desmond Swayne, Charles Walker and Graham Brady. Not expecting a reply but hope some of them at least read it.

345985 ▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Liz F, #1105 of 1794 🔗

That’s brilliant that you’re doing that!

346028 ▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Liz F, #1106 of 1794 🔗

Please post if you get any response…

346222 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Jody, 1, #1107 of 1794 🔗

Will do!

345662 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 26, #1108 of 1794 🔗

Whippy seems like a very sick and evil man, I know some people can’t bear to see others enjoying life and he seems particularly against it and determined to try to stop even the slightest interaction between people. A very very odd man.

345665 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to DanClarke, 21, #1109 of 1794 🔗

Those covert photos of him physically threatening Johnson were an eye-opener. He comes across as a nice-but-creaky academic weirdo on TV but it’s a persona. I think that in reality he’s a bully and a psycho.

345672 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #1110 of 1794 🔗

Yes, he’s downright creepy, even by academic standards.

345678 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Tom in Scotland, 17, #1111 of 1794 🔗

The cunt needs killing

345761 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jaguarpig, 7, #1112 of 1794 🔗

I suspect that many of these so-called scientists (actually charlatans) will need to go into the equivalent of witness protection programmes. The public will be out for their blood and they will not be safe. I’m not condoning violence, but fear that it will happen once the sheeple wake up. These second-rate academics who seemed to get off on being in the limelight will come to regret it.

345780 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1113 of 1794 🔗

Agree entirely.

345670 ▶▶ Jody, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1114 of 1794 🔗

Oh, I agree. There’s something not right about him on a fundamental level…

345692 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1115 of 1794 🔗

Whitty looks ill because he KNOWS what he is doing imho

345808 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1116 of 1794 🔗

Entirely agree too.

345818 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1117 of 1794 🔗

He has sold his soul well and truly to the devil. What goes around comes around!

345820 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1118 of 1794 🔗

He comes across as downright miserable, socially primitive and generally strange. He probably hasn’t been laid in a while, if at all. Easy to see why such a person may resent others having fun.

345663 Fred, replying to Fred, 2, #1119 of 1794 🔗

Breaking news from the BBC! Top story! Deaths attributed to covid on a Department of Health spreadsheet have just ticked last 80,000! Oh heavens! Quick, everyone – into the panic room!! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55605173

345707 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Fred, 5, #1120 of 1794 🔗

Wish they could be forced to give information on what underlying conditions they had, for all we know their deaths could be attributed to NHS neglect and delayed treatments. They do not have enough detail to scream Covid

345720 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Fred, 3, #1121 of 1794 🔗

It will be good when that Spring spike of deaths isn’t being constantly presented as if it’s part of this season of peak respiratory illness. It gives them a cheap point, bumping up the numbers but has little relevance operationally, clinically or statistically. They will not be able to roll these numbers up together indefinitely.

345815 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fred, #1122 of 1794 🔗

We should of had a GREAT RESET on those figures. The bastards. Such a scam, running the total into the new year. Scamming lying gits.
They are treating the death tote as some kind of COVID DAY FUCKIN ZERO

345666 Hellonearth, replying to Hellonearth, 55, #1123 of 1794 🔗

Sorry to be so negative and doom laden, but I really can’t see a way out of this shit show. Some people on here manage to say upbeat and cheerful, I am so envious of them but I am fighting and losing that battle. There are days when I really think if it wasn’t for my kids then I don’t think I would even want to keep going.

I spoke to my sister yesterday and tried to get her to open her eyes, no chance!. I mentioned the awful video of those coppers in that house, her response, there have always been rogue police. She didn’t seem to think the fact that police are now going into a house because someone may have broken the ‘bubble’ rule, is an absolute travesty.

If they bring in mandatory muzzles outside, I may just lose the plot and end up going for the first person who crosses me. I would probably have more friggin freedom in prison anyway.
Again apologies, just don’t know how to deal with my emotions other than ranting on here occasionally.

345674 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Hellonearth, 27, #1124 of 1794 🔗

It is going to get worse and more intense before it gets better. And the tipping point will probably come when someone gets killed. But don’t worry. The Covidians are currently hypnotized. Think of this: which would be easier – for a hypnotized Covidian to snap out of it, or for us to fall into their ranks?

Human nature is on our side. And it cannot be defeated.

345693 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #1125 of 1794 🔗

I agree. Dolores Cahill often says “We’ve already won”

345721 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 17, #1126 of 1794 🔗

Yes, there is a huge electronic paper trail of evidence against those who have perpetrated this crime against humanity, and payback’s a bitch, as the saying goes. People will be very, very angry when they wake up. Watch out for pitchforks! Populist politicians will have a field day and make the most of it. I think this is the main reason why so many politicians are doubling down on restrictions. They are simply delaying the inevitable, and they probably know it on some level of their muddled consciousness, but I think when you’re in this deep, you just can’t get out and start to believe your own bullshit.

345738 ▶▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to Tom in Scotland, 12, #1127 of 1794 🔗

They know that. Why else would limelight hogging Boris allow human cadaver Chris Whitty to steal the show in their latest ad? He doesn’t want it to come back to haunt him next election, whereas for Whitty? This is like finally letting him go the prom.

345809 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1128 of 1794 🔗

A very good away of putting it.

345810 ▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, #1129 of 1794 🔗

way*

345683 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Hellonearth, 28, #1130 of 1794 🔗

Yes masks outside will be my tipping point too, makes me sick already to see people in them, freedom of choice is all that stands between them and me.

345708 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1131 of 1794 🔗

It hasn’t happened yet.

345744 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to John P, 3, #1132 of 1794 🔗

It will never happen to me

345737 ▶▶▶ sam club, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1133 of 1794 🔗

hell on earth i see many masks outside between 70 and 90 %varying by area , i especially look forward now every day to going for my walk [never have worn s mask out side , never will]jsut to not wear a mask around them !
metoo have never convinced a memebr of the new religon to chnage thier minds.. yet

345690 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hellonearth, 9, #1134 of 1794 🔗

Exempt, smiles, positivity, no living in fear, freedom. These things you have, they do not.

345696 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Hellonearth, 23, #1135 of 1794 🔗

Ranting on here is a great outlet and as you say there are always fighters, or just people in a better place at that moment, to buck you up.

I’m naturally pessimistic, but also quite fatalist. We can’t control the outcome, only fight our own corner as best we can. We do what we can, and as long as we are on the right side that has to be enough.

Stand where you can, bend where you must, but you have to endure once you have children to raise. Going out in a blaze of anger or depression is no longer an option for you.

345697 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Hellonearth, 24, #1136 of 1794 🔗

Bear in mind this is the winter peak for hospital admissions and the NHS’s endless failure to deal with it despite it being clearly in the calendar. This is the very worst point. It is a frenzied atmosphere with angry and terrified people fizzing. This crescendo of blame, abuse, shouty arse covering and fraught resources angling will recede. Hold the line. Courage. You must find it within yourself.

345704 ▶▶ Leaky, replying to Hellonearth, 24, #1137 of 1794 🔗

Don’t despair, Hellonearth, the tide is turning and once it does it will be a tsunami!
The Torygraph reported that the Cabinet is worried about growing public non-compliance – hence the intense and more shrill PR BS. Big Tech is desperately trying to censor dissenting voices (and why are they so afraid of the truth?) and there will be a backlash. The lid is about to blow!

345788 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Leaky, 1, #1138 of 1794 🔗

100% agree

345734 ▶▶ danny, replying to Hellonearth, 28, #1139 of 1794 🔗

I agree that the worst thing at times is not the restrictions, but the fact that so many people including family members don’t even seem to see them as restrictions. Basically if you agree with the ends, any means are justified. I tried getting my brother the other day to accept the fact that whether “necessary” or not, arresting people for being outside, not wearing masks, seeing family, going to work etc, was in essence a fascist state. He just couldn’t see it, simply because he thinks the virus is terrible. Not many people would miss a dangerous sex offender, but I would imagine most would not agree that people should be allowed to hunt and kill them. There is, or was, a rule of law.
But I also firmly believe that with every single law they pass, every threat they make, every scare story they push, it now just proves that the majority are not with them anymore. Nobody is clapping the NHS, watching Joe Wicks and sharing heartwarming stories of zoom calls with grandpa this time. School applications for key worker places are up massively, people are out in parks and seafronts and shops where possible. The media is NOT a true reflection of the public anymore. I personally take some solace in that. I really do hope that helps just a little.

345756 ▶▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to danny, 10, #1140 of 1794 🔗

I agree.

What people often forget is that fascism and other authoritarian governments tend to come to power when the population is in a state of fear over something. The fear can be a sensible one or a whipped up one. The authoritarian governments then position themselves as being morally virtuous and as having the answers. This is usually popular too.

Even the Nazis positioned themselves in the 30s as morally virtuous and as protectors. Many people believed them. Not just in Germany either. Most of the British Establishment quite liked them early on.

The evil was not recognised. Evil usually is not.

We have a similar situation today. What is being done is evil, even though the people perpetrating it have noble intentions. Evil usually does.

346192 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Stephensceptic, #1141 of 1794 🔗

What is the noble intention here?

345745 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Hellonearth, 8, #1142 of 1794 🔗

I know this a bit geeky, but when despair grabs you and you think this can last for ever, just look at givernment finances.

Less than half of UK government expenditure now covered by taxes.

Best Wishes.

345783 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #1143 of 1794 🔗

This is only going one way.

What joy there will be in saying ‘I told you so’

345813 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1144 of 1794 🔗

We’ll all be on the right side of history, don’t worry.

345795 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Hellonearth, 5, #1145 of 1794 🔗

Fight it by being positive. That old trick of smiling to feel better can work with the right smile – not a devi bearing of teeth – a real smile.

Part of it is accepting this really is unacceptable/attack on life and allowing yourself to rant and be violently angry at times – that would be normal reaction to this situation.

Turning to enjoyment in smaller insignificant things can give a wealth of pleasure beyond the infernal reach of the black death.

Take things slowly but always trend back towards being positive, set backs for weeks and months are part and parcel of this situation.

Because you feel the way you do already sets you apart from them, that is a really, really positive thing.

345798 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Hellonearth, 15, #1146 of 1794 🔗

Thank you to everyone for your kind replies and thoughts. This site has been a godsend to me and lots of other people, I don’t know what I would have done without it. When I come on here it feels like being cocooned in a save haven among the only sane ones left.

345950 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Hellonearth, 2, #1147 of 1794 🔗

rant away – i feel the same – if muzzles are mandated outside it would be unbearable and probably confine me to the house permanently – i have a dreadful fear of this!!

345686 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 21, #1148 of 1794 🔗

Gupta being attacked again.

Despite tbe fact that her recommendations were never implemented, the Lockdown Lovers got everything they wanted and continue to, Gupta is tbe reason why things are not working.

https://mobile.twitter.com/soniasodha/status/1346386530861019141

It’s scapegoating of the worst kind.

I look around and anybody not following the rules will never have even heard of Gupta. Its echo chamber stuff.

345712 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1149 of 1794 🔗

A chief leader writer for the observer questioning oxford scientists who advocate,which up to March
was standard epidemiological practice across the world.

345736 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1150 of 1794 🔗

I wonder has she been in tocub with all those scientists and researchers pre 2020 who said:

– masks don’t work
– lockdowns don’t work
– asymptomatics do not drive epidemics

They have caused this. Seeding disinformation for 20 years.

345714 ▶▶ John P, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1151 of 1794 🔗

Sodha is a propagandist. She works for the Guardian.

345757 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1152 of 1794 🔗

I believe that this all stems down to a false conception that herd immunity is about eradication.

People like Sodha think that immunity serves only one purpose and that is to achieve herd immunity. They have become immunity deniers.

Consider that immunity is the most useful tool that we have. Why else would we try to generate it via vaccines otherwise?

Any immunity is useful and it’s better to have immunity than 50 layers of swiss cheese NPIs.

345845 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1153 of 1794 🔗

She is requesting a complete denial of the opposing view, based on “public safety”. Immunity denier is a fair accusation.

345998 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1154 of 1794 🔗

Yes this is one of the biggest misconceptions going around. Herd immunity is stable at R=1 and is incredibly easy to achieve. Just look the other way for a few weeks.

Eradication is stable at R=0 and is impossible. Forget about it, it’s not going to happen.

Restrictions, guidance, NPIs whatever are about lowering R0 so you achieve R=1 at a lower number of infections.

But the government keep pretending like we’re alternating between near-eradication and “outbreaks” that are then stamped out because of their wonderful leadership. But if that were the case the infection and death curves would look completely different.

If they’re going to do NPIs (and guidance would always have been better) they should have just thought of something sustainable and stuck to it. They had the whole summer to think about what those suggestions should have been.

No need for endless emergency Cobra meetings, last minute press conferences, snap lockdowns, panics, etc.

It’s a bit like driving a car. Get into the right gear in good time before the corner, pick your line and go at the right speed. Don’t outbrake yourself, then saw at the wheel, stamp on all the pedals at once and finally stall like you had no idea what was going to happen.

345759 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1155 of 1794 🔗

The Groan employs very few real journalists now. They were got rid of when the Scott Trust was blown up, and the paper became a serf of the establishment under the editorship of Viner. A significant part of real independent journalism died that day, and the results are now obvious.

The attacks on Gupta are a mark of how far Viner’s Groan has crawled down the sewer of self-interested and subservient churnalism (to use Nick Davies’s term).

345816 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, #1156 of 1794 🔗

The OPP always want their pound of flesh from the Grauniad.

345694 dhpaul, replying to dhpaul, 31, #1157 of 1794 🔗

From Yahoo today:-

Prof Kamlesh Khunti, who sits on Sage and is also a member of the Independent Sage group of experts, warned that even with vaccination, masks, social distancing and other measures are likely to be needed for a long time. “It is months before we can starting thinking about stopping any of those,” he said.
“We need to get 70-80% of the population immunised to control the spread of the virus,” Khunti said.

Just need to take the “i” out of a name to make it right.

345710 ▶▶ dpj, replying to dhpaul, 17, #1158 of 1794 🔗

Some experts already believe that as many of the population as that are immune through natural immunity. Sadly there are far too many people in influential positions still pushing the ‘only immunity through vaccination’ agenda.

345740 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to dpj, 2, #1159 of 1794 🔗

Well – the real data (as opposed to PCR+ noise) does suggest this – with any real infectious event disappearing after the April spike, and mortality returning to normal levels for the following months, and Covid just becoming one of many endemic viruses.

345711 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to dhpaul, 12, #1160 of 1794 🔗

These people say the most obviously ludicrous, impractical things and are still taken seriously. This is where we are now. He could tell us that the government should mandate the slaughter of babies in order to ‘save lives’. The government would then make it compulsory and the sheep would willingly oblige.

345854 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #1161 of 1794 🔗

Ferguson and King slaughter 12 million healthy animals before someone said enough was enough.

345770 ▶▶ robnicholson, replying to dhpaul, 22, #1162 of 1794 🔗

I really don’t understand this requirement to get 80% of the population vaccinated. Once the ~25% are vaccinated and therefore protected, the death rate and hospitalisation should come down – right? The remaining 75% are at incredibly low risk and therefore does it matter if they catch it? They won’t die from it (a tiny percentage might) and even if infect one of the 25%, those 25% aren’t going to die either.

So there is no need to keep restrictions and reaching herd immunity can be achieved naturally. As understood that it was a basic medical principal to not give treatment to the healthy?

What am I missing??

345773 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to robnicholson, 17, #1163 of 1794 🔗

That this is no longer about a virus (if it ever was).

345825 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to robnicholson, #1164 of 1794 🔗

Vaccine certification as a condition of returning to normal life: travel, holidays, events, sport etc.

345862 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Bugle, 5, #1165 of 1794 🔗

Only if everyone has been offered the vaccine which won’t happen this side of 2025. I really don’t think there is going to be a vaccine passport because there are enough idiots who are lining up to be jabbed, I don’t include those over 70 in the idiot category, btw.

345916 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to robnicholson, 1, #1166 of 1794 🔗

As far as I understand none of the vaccines prevent transmission. If they did, it would transform the situation.

345959 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to frankfrankly, 1, #1167 of 1794 🔗

They probably do reduce it but it’s not been proved that they do. But this is mostly just because it’s very hard to prove.

346089 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to frankfrankly, #1168 of 1794 🔗

JVT said that our friends at Porton Down are checking the vaccines to see if any prevent transmission-Due to report mid January-so next week.

345956 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to robnicholson, #1169 of 1794 🔗

Yup exactly. We also have herd immunity anyway. At an artificially reduced threshold perhaps but that problem will solve itself in about a month after people get back to normal. Much easier than jabbing everyone who doesn’t need it.

345777 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to dhpaul, 4, #1170 of 1794 🔗

“We need to get 70-80% of the population immunised to control the spread of the virus,” Khunti said.

He appears to be forgetting that we are now being told by Whitty, Van Tam, et al , that these vaccines don’t provide full immunity.

Handjob has been suggesting yearly, possibly 6 monthly repeat vaccines. Where’s Khunti going to get his immunity from?

345863 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to dhpaul, -1, #1171 of 1794 🔗

Kameltoe Kunti needs to get a new name

346059 ▶▶ TC, replying to dhpaul, #1172 of 1794 🔗

On both SAGE and Independent SAGE?
Not sure how that works for the government but he’s clearly a man not really trying to win friends – well not here anyway.

345705 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 4, #1173 of 1794 🔗

If anyone is looking for the data for Scotland a new website has been set up.

https://informscotland.uk/

345719 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Just about sane, 5, #1174 of 1794 🔗

I like the fact it is a .uk address rather than .sco. That will probably annoy the wee dictator even more than the fact it exists!

345726 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to dpj, 2, #1175 of 1794 🔗

Priceless! I like it.

345753 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Just about sane, 12, #1176 of 1794 🔗

Absolutely excellent stuff; thank you for posting this.

https://informscotland.uk/2021/01/data-for-9th-january-2021/

Graph 1 – Positive tests have reached a new steady-ish state. It’s like it stepped up almost instantly at Christmas, which is really really strange and not particularly typical of epidemiology, I’d say. I think there simply must have been some change in the testing.

Yeah, funny that.

Graph 4 – the number of tests overall is climbing gradually, but what is interesting is how positive tests have taken this huge step up and then immediately reaching this new equilibrium state. This is so strange, epidemiologically speaking.

Almost as if the numbers are fiddled.

Graph 5 – This graph is so interesting, because it shows that all the measures have an inflection point on Christmas Day and positive tests, deaths, ITU and hospital occupancy all started to rise at the same time, indicative of there being many cases in hospital. Deaths, proportionally, are rising faster than any other measure – notice how the slope of that curve exceeds the others. Truly, this is bizarre and should be impossible – it could be explained by delays in reporting, and probably is to some extent, but it really indicates we are over-sampling the dying with the tests.

I like this Christine. She knows .

Graph 6 – This pair of graphs is really important and shows very very clearly how this latest rise in positive test coincides with an apparently higher case fatality rate and a decreased lag. This is really strange and shows that something has definitely and quite profoundly changed compared to October. It suggests we are oversampling those arriving in hospital, those likely to be admitted to ITU, and those who are gravely ill (and therefore more likely to die) and that this is where a larger portion of positives are coming from recently compared to before.

Actually, I really like this Christine. She really, really knows .

Tweet and share the graphs!Lots of love. ❤ Stay sane 🧠 Stay strong 💪 Christine x

We will, Christine, we will. 🙂

345718 DanClarke, 13, #1177 of 1794 🔗

Meanwhile the celebs flaunt themselves on beaches all over the globe, oblivious to this ‘deadly disease’.

345741 Stephensceptic, replying to Stephensceptic, 33, #1178 of 1794 🔗

I think many of the thoughts in the comments make sense.

Was out earlier in Kingston and it does seem that a group of the population looks more afraid than ever (masked up outdoors, tight as possible and in once case even over the eyes…) but many other people are just trying to live as best they can.

Clear that government propaganda is ratcheting up. Authoritarian governments that feel they are losing control tend in history to be the most dangerous. So things will get worse before they get better.

The whole narrative right now is just a bit too convenient for the people who write it. Thats one reason I distrust it. Blaming a mutating virus for year end seasonal respiratory illness (which may be worse than usual but the data is not conclusive yet) let’s them off the hook for the health service being overwhelmed. Most winters the government gets flailed alive for that: this year some of the press seems to blame people like us. Politically, its genius…….

At some point this will turn. These things always do.

345800 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Stephensceptic, 9, #1179 of 1794 🔗

Good comments, i agree with most of it, the fraud, the scandal, is how the NHS has been politicised & is unfit for purpose, this week lockdownsceptics has been running articles on how our side has lost the “debate” & really its because no one is talking about the rainbow elephant in the room, the scandal that is despite the guargantuan amount of funding the NHS receives it simply doesn’t have capacity to meet demand, thats what the nefarious narrative is trying to hide! And they’re getting away with it & you really can’t blame anyone else but the tories & jeremy *unt they’ve been mismanaging & siphoning off cash by corrupt stealth privatization to global corporations for 10 years.

I disagree however about it getting better we are already seeing a ratcheting up of the lefts cancel culture, whats taking place in the US right now & hate speech bill in the UK is frighteing, then there’s the internet harms bill regulations being proposed, i’m extremly concerned about future for free speech & now government & more so big tech/social media have realised how much power they have & how willing a large section of the population are happy to give up their freedom i think things will get catastrophically worse, free speech is a great deal more than upsetting identity politics its about fighting totalitarianism & tyranny.

345748 Steeve, 11, #1180 of 1794 🔗

Lockdown Party

345749 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #1181 of 1794 🔗

NHS data on hospital beds available and occupied, from 30 November 2020 until 3 January 2021:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/uec-sitrep/urgent-and-emergency-care-daily-situation-reports-2020-21/

See the report: ‘ UEC Daily SitRep – Acute Time Series 30 November – 03 January 2021

The worksheet ‘G&A beds’ contains data on General and Acute beds
The worksheet ‘Adult critical care’ on adult critical care beds

The summaries for England are at rows 16 and 17.

345796 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #1182 of 1794 🔗

So a few hospitals on certain dates nearing capacity, but otherwise all operating with some spare margin?

345754 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 38, #1183 of 1794 🔗

In view of developments, I thought it worthwhile to state the reasons I have been and continue to be a lockdown sceptic. It quite simple: it’s because I believe the cure to be worse than the disease. Apart from anything else, we are blighting the future of a whole generation of young people to combat a virus that produces only mild symptoms, or even no symptoms at all in the vast majority of people it infects – it is not the plague! Of course, if the new variant proves to be more deadly, then all bets are off, but I have seen no evidence for that so far. And if mutations result in loss of immunity, what happens then? We can’t keep locking down for ever; we have to learn to live with this virus or civilization will collapse. SAGE are now calling for even tougher measures. What is Whitty’s next mantra going to be: stay at home, starve to death and save the face of the NHS?

345765 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to JamesM, 12, #1184 of 1794 🔗

The fact that a new “variant” was announced is a sign of bullshit. There are many variants already as it’s a biological reality. But even with that the true impact of what is called Covid-19 hasn’t been established as the measures taken to prepare and changes to diagnosis have compromised any data we have. You may as well say they were possessed.

This is what happens when you listen to people who are not directly accountable for their projections nor appear to have any sense of proportion.

345791 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to JamesM, 1, #1185 of 1794 🔗

Yep, it’s a stark and simple sum on body counts even if you accept their (patently unjustified) assumptions to be true; no contest. When the numbers are cleaned up the contrast is huge.

345801 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to JamesM, 21, #1186 of 1794 🔗

What I love about the lockdown supporters is that they expect us to be responsible for the health of others, where Covid is concerned. They never however assume any responsibility for the health of those affected by lockdowns. Depression, stress, and the possible resultant cancers from those, for instance. One of the many reasons that I have largely now lost what little patience I had for such people.

345899 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 6, #1187 of 1794 🔗

They won’t even take responsibility for their own health! I could do better I’m sure, but since all of this started I’ve increased my exercise, changed my diet, and am taking what I believe to be crucial vitamins and supplements to improve my health. I certainly don’t expect other people, let alone a whole generation of young people, to “protect” me by sacrificing their lives and futures. So of course lockdown lovers will simply expect the nanny state to deal with the depression, anxiety, job losses, deferred health care, etc.

346016 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1188 of 1794 🔗

All of course caused by the virus, not by the lockdown!!! Sigh!

346041 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, #1189 of 1794 🔗

You are utterly right.Hypocrisy us a deadly virus indeed.

345847 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to JamesM, 6, #1190 of 1794 🔗

According to a certain Professor of Virology, there is no new variant/strain. A coronavirus only lasts for a few short months. This peaked back in the Spring. What there is now is the next new Coronavirus season. It’s perfectly normal. If there weren’t all this testing (and false/ unreliable) it would be just like a normal Winter when 000’s sadly do die of respiratory illnesses.

345867 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to JamesM, 3, #1191 of 1794 🔗

I think more like ‘Stay at home, Starve to death, Save Boris’ arse’

346074 ▶▶ Janette, replying to JamesM, 1, #1192 of 1794 🔗

Like it!

345760 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 41, #1193 of 1794 🔗

It wasn’t obvious at the start

It is now starting to emerge that behavioural phycologists and their ilk have been used to brainwash and manipulate the population

Churchills warnings about perverted science have come to pass in the UK

These people have committed serious criminal offences leading to the deaths of thousands of people

They must be brought to justice

We owe it to the victims

345772 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 14, #1194 of 1794 🔗

It is now starting to emerge that behavioural phycologists and their ilk have been used to brainwash and manipulate the population

It’s also just one big experiment to them; the UK population are just rats in a lab in their eyes.

345797 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1195 of 1794 🔗

It was.Someone leaked the page about using hard hitting emotional messaging.A tactic they are going to use again as they know they are losing the general public

345806 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #1196 of 1794 🔗

Where can the government go from here? More and more exaggerated and implausible claims. Many people – and not just the kind of people who come here – have switched off.

345868 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Bugle, 5, #1197 of 1794 🔗

Saturation levels have been reached. It’seems now “here we go again another bloody lockdown”

345878 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bugle, 1, #1198 of 1794 🔗

I fully expect a Texas Chainsaw/slasher styled campaign next.

345823 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1199 of 1794 🔗

If I remember correctly, it was in Sage minutes, and they were published after Simon Dolan’s case. Peter Hitchens has had the relevant paragraph as heading on his Twitter page for ages.

346323 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1201 of 1794 🔗

Fairly sure that page was released as part of disclosure in Simon Dolan’s case. But could be wrong.

345852 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1202 of 1794 🔗

UK Column were reporting on this back in March. There is govt document available online called ‘Mindspace’ – a pdf that covers this. I think that morphed into SPI-B.

They were advising the govt on how to manipulate the population when the govt at least publically was still dealing with an unknown quantitiy i.e. a ‘deadly virus’.

That was a clear indicator on what the govt was intent on.

346039 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, #1203 of 1794 🔗

Nuremberg awaits.

345762 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1204 of 1794 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9129275/Britain-records-1-000-Covid-FOURTH-day-row.html Further 1,035 have died today in the deadliest Saturday since April 18, as the total Covid death toll hit 80,000″
and it’s only 17.00 hrs. God knows what the total will be by midnight.

345774 ▶▶ mj, replying to arfurmo, 11, #1205 of 1794 🔗

as the average daily deaths from all causes is approximately 1500 it seems that they are on their way to making every death a covid death using the cunning plan of having everyone dying having had a dodgy PCR test within 28 days .

345883 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to mj, 2, #1206 of 1794 🔗

Soon you’ll need a test to be allowed to die

345909 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1207 of 1794 🔗

Stabbed to death with cotton-bud.

345779 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1208 of 1794 🔗

When really it’s about 300 people out of 1400.

345802 ▶▶ Will, replying to arfurmo, 14, #1209 of 1794 🔗

Further evidence that Vallance was right back on March the 12th:

“If you completely locked down absolutely everything, probably for a period of four months or more then you would suppress this virus,” he told Sky News.

“All of the evidence from previous epidemics suggests that when you do that and then you release it, it all comes back again.
“The other part of this is to make sure that we don’t end up with a sudden peak again in the winter which is even larger which causes even more problems.

“So we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely which you can’t do anyway, not suppress it so we get the second peak and also allow enough of us who are going to get mild illness to become immune to this to help with the whole population response which would protect everybody.”

345873 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Will, 3, #1210 of 1794 🔗

They could have easily ‘suppressed’ using the tried and trusted method of protecting the vulnerable and letting the virus loose among those with sufficient immune systems to withstand it.

That worked every time in history prior to 2020.

Unless its a seasonal thing i.e. flu colds etc. a virus doesn’t ‘come back’ but if they had sold that message to the public none of the current restrictions would have been implemented.

That would have been the responsible move and have proven much more manageable and could have avoided all the death and destruction that lockdown has wrought.

They chose to scare the public and are still doing it even when they know that the reality and the message are too mutually exclusive things.

345891 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Will, 6, #1211 of 1794 🔗

This is, and always was, the appropriate scientific response. What changed? Neil Ferguson’s model a day or two later (repeated hard lockdowns until a vaccine arrives 18 months later).The fundamental questions that need to be asked are who commissioned that modeling, provided the dataset, and why. IMHO if all emails and text/phone logs were seized from a named group of individuals, from early/mid January 2020, we would get many of the answers.

345895 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #1212 of 1794 🔗

Yes. But the names would include those with the authority to do the seizing.

State capture, as a naughty person in Parliament called it recently.

345934 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Ovis, #1213 of 1794 🔗

Yes, and dark forces as cast by another. Large firms are pretty practiced in the art of regulatory capture, and the US ones professionalised it decades ago.

346009 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1214 of 1794 🔗

We don’t need the detail – the outline is clear, given the funding of Ferguson’s group, the past record, and, particularly, the similar H1N1 debacle that didn’t work, but showed the pattern for this con. The Council of Europe report on the latter gives a pretty good insight into the mechanisms and – although put in fairly diplomatic terms – shows the corruption of the WHO.

346159 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1215 of 1794 🔗

In about 30 years time, when the papers have been released, we’ll probably both be sat in Kew trying piece this together.

You are quite correct of course; but I reckon the evidence is going to be destroyed.

346207 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to TJN, 1, #1216 of 1794 🔗

I’ll be nearly 90!

345763 Basics, replying to Basics, 17, #1217 of 1794 🔗

Julia Hartley-Brewer (@JuliaHB1) Tweeted: IMPORTANT: The Human Rights Committee is calling for evidence on the impact of Covid lockdowns. The deadline is MONDAY 11 Jan. Please email them with evidence of the devastating impact on mental & physical health, education & our freedoms. Please retweet! https://t.co/ztgRB9lPOG https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1347537835432271874?s=20

346027 ▶▶ jayp, replying to Basics, 3, #1218 of 1794 🔗

Yep, done mine yesterday , including Gp refusal to visit my 94 year old Dad resulting in 17 hour wait for ambulance and 48 hrs in A&E . Beyond angry

346038 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jayp, #1219 of 1794 🔗

Now go out and clap them, you ungrateful person.

345764 alw, 12, #1220 of 1794 🔗

Trump bashing and Covid hysteria the focus at the moment. Whatever happened to Harry and Meghan? How about reporting on abuse of citizens worldwide by crazed politicians who think they can control the Covid virus? The people no longer believe the politicians or those who peddle their propaganda.

345768 Fingerache Philip, 2, #1221 of 1794 🔗

Lies, damm lies and statistics.

345778 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #1222 of 1794 🔗

I thought there was a gagging order on NHS workers? Oh wait…he is spouting shit about how scary the virus is & he has also had it aswell..article also has token picture of some poor cunt with tubes etc coming out of him.

Keep up the scaremongering propaganda eh?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/hospital-worker-opens-up-terror-23289562

345834 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, #1223 of 1794 🔗

I don’t think there’s ever been a gagging order. I don’t think that any public sector employee is permitted to air their personal views in public or online, in a way that might make it look like they’re the views of the organisation they work for. All press enquiries will go to a specific department.
I believe that there are laws protecting genuine whistleblowers though.

345848 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #1224 of 1794 🔗

Meaning the NDA, I assume.

NHS non-disclosure agreements to end, vows Matt Hancock

Of course, that was before he had so much to hide….

Protection for whistleblowers is in general pretty subjectively applied.

345782 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1225 of 1794 🔗

The BBC asks the question: Are Covid patients getting younger?
Answer: No

My first thought was : How on earth can getting COVID make people younger. Does it have some hidden anti-ageing properties?

Actually a good article in my opinion with quite a lot of data and a number of graphs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55586994

345803 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1226 of 1794 🔗

I can’t possibly click that its the work of beelzebub himself, the devils work will fill your heart with wokeness. I’m not going near it.

345829 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1227 of 1794 🔗

I’ll take one for the team and risk reading it. The answer to the question is…
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No.

345838 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1228 of 1794 🔗

So although younger people have more often been testing positive than in the spring (probably because back in spring schools were closed and of course teens are less likely to be found in supermarkets for long periods or to be in the workplace, so some catch up is taking place this winter) , the profile of those ending up hospitalised has not really changed.

How come ate the very elderly and vulnerable are being hit so hard again. Mike Yeadon clearly wasn’t expecting such a large second wave.

I would really like to know how many of the elderly and vulnerable now falling I’ll with “Covid” have had the vaccine? Some surely must have had it if we are already at 1.5 million vaccinations and they will have been mostly of the very old and very vulnerable.
– precise, y the sort of people who get hospitalised when they are infected with Covid. Remember Dr John Lee appeared to say that vaccinations coukd trigger positive Covid tests.

What do people think?

345856 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to OKUK, #1229 of 1794 🔗

Good questions but how or when will we find out? The U.S. data on adverse reactions is available. What about the UK and other countries?

345860 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to OKUK, 1, #1230 of 1794 🔗

I should think quite a few of them but it won’t be attributed to the vaccine.

346451 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to OKUK, #1231 of 1794 🔗

When Dr Mike Yeadon predicted the end of covid I feared he had made a mistake because he hadn’t considered the consequence of lockdown. For some time I’ve come to realise that lockdown is simply prolonging the pandemic giving the virus time to mutate as is what’s happened. In November we went into lockdown when if we had simply told the old and sick to isolate infections would peak and herd immunity would kick in. I don’t know if vaccines lead to positive tests but I do know when testing the vaccine on monkey’s it led to viral particles found in their nasal passages.

345853 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to godowneasy, #1232 of 1794 🔗

This is cases

345855 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., #1233 of 1794 🔗

And this is deaths

345857 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., #1234 of 1794 🔗

Both from here. So gov official data.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

345866 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., #1235 of 1794 🔗

Just looked back at that. Its not me defending the article but trying to show how they get their data. It’s a virus, old and young are going to get it however it shows that younger people are surviving more now which is a good thing.
I’ll shut up now before I dig the hole any bigger.

346036 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1236 of 1794 🔗

They can’t be surviving more. You either survive or you don’t.
It’s noteworthy, though not in the least surprising, that they howl about young people getting Covvie, but can’t howl about young people dying of Covvie, because they aren’t. Never mind: to a zombie, Covvie in any form is Death.

345799 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 21, #1237 of 1794 🔗

A joke to lighten our mood for a while.
Why has a cow got a long face?
Well, if you were milked twice a day and f××ked once a year, you would have a long face, wouldn’t you?
Don’t all clap at once, folks.

345805 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1238 of 1794 🔗

Typical sceptic! That’s a slap in the face for dairy workers everywhere. 🙂

345814 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to OKUK, 3, #1239 of 1794 🔗

The way things are going OKUK, there won’t be a dairy industry or any other industry come to that,left to slap in the face!

345817 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1240 of 1794 🔗

The vaccination and covid testing business is looking pretty chipper though!

345821 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #1241 of 1794 🔗

There’s no answer to that Ern!

345819 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1242 of 1794 🔗

You’re not allowed to clap, as that breaks covid laws, unless of course you clap our favorite tictok dancers

345827 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1243 of 1794 🔗

Say what they like about us sceptics, they will never stop our sense of humour.

345826 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #1244 of 1794 🔗

Hello sceptics – I used to think I was a prisoner.

345832 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Steeve, 1, #1245 of 1794 🔗

Better looking than Whitless!

345837 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1246 of 1794 🔗

I believe he wants you locked in the house! The grass is not always greener on the other side!

345861 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1247 of 1794 🔗

More brains than Boris.

345841 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1248 of 1794 🔗

I told a joke in a field once.
All the cows clapped.

345843 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1249 of 1794 🔗

Pull the udder one.

345885 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1250 of 1794 🔗

OK folks, that’s enough fun; now it’s time to get back to being idiots, selfish and getting some more blood on our hands.

345955 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1251 of 1794 🔗

Abject apologies, it won’t happen again. Well, not until I’ve had my supper..

345924 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1252 of 1794 🔗

Why has a cow got a long face?
Because it remembers what happened last time Prof. Whitty started advising the government on control of diseases.

345835 A. Contrarian, 4, #1253 of 1794 🔗

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/closing-churches-again-would-be-a-big-mistake

Melanie McDonagh picking and choosing which draconian policies should be enacted according to her own needs (if you remember, she recently had a go at people in restaurants for going out to restaurants, back when restaurants were still a thing, whilst being in a restaurant herself at the time). But apparently they can “get lost” if they suggest the closure of churches – I expect anything else being closed is fine and dandy however, and in fact is ESSENTIAL to stop the spread of the disease…

345840 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 10, #1254 of 1794 🔗

Came across the following comment in the telegraph. Having looked at the data myself, there’s a separate line in 2020 for deaths where covid is mentioned, and the explanatory note is not clear to me. But on the face of it this seems to be right. Anyone else had a look at this and have a better understanding?

Just been taking a look at the provisional registered weekly death data for England/Wales for 2020 published by ONS

To 25th December, 62,420 deaths have respiratory illness as the underlying cause. Presumably this will include deaths of COVID 19 as well as all other flus, pneumonia etc.

If you break this down by quarter, you get

Q1 – 22,959

Q2 – 15,838

Q3 – 11,044

Q4 – 12,579

So Q1 appears to have been by far the worst quarter this year for respiratory disease deaths. And while we don’t know when it first arrived, this is in theory the pre COVID-19 quarter. And for sceptics the first 4 weeks of 2020 were the worst for deaths in the quarter with 10,444 listed to end January.

I thought I would then look at 2019.

ONS data shows 71,674 deaths from respiratory diseases, so 2020 is about 13% less than 2019 (acknowledging that 2020 data is missing the last week)

Quarterly breakdown for 2019:

Q1 – 23,336

Q2 – 16,781

Q3 – 13,463

Q4 – 18,094

Anyone have thoughts or comment on this simple analysis or what I might be missing?

345910 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Adamb, 4, #1256 of 1794 🔗

If I was really speculating, I’d say there was a chance the rona, along with a poorly selected flu vaccine, both took a big toll from December-through April/early May. The big spike in April was largely man made, caused by the panic, as seems also to be the case in Italy.

Now we are seeing return of the seasonals, including Batman flu, which is endemic.

345996 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #1257 of 1794 🔗

The big spike in April was at least in part due to the massively high pollution in London and the south east which has never been explained – the pm2.5 pollution graph is identical to the covid peak and as I was in London at that time I can say that it was almost impossible to breathe so for anyone with comorbidities or other respiratory issues it could well have been fatal – this needs more research to be done (anyone willing – I’ve got a lot of data?). Lombardy where covid fatalities were supposedly high also had a massively high peak of micro particle pollution which coincided with the peak in fatalities..

346079 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to jos, 3, #1258 of 1794 🔗

there’s something in that. Back in March/April I couldn’t understand why covid was affecting Tehran, Northern Italy and South East England. Only when I saw a chart showing Nitrous Dioxide levels in Europe could I see why areas in between were not affected.

346281 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to jos, #1259 of 1794 🔗

also back in April there was a sharp drop in traffic in the first 3 weeks of lockdown improving the air quality. After that traffic went back to normal. Maybe that’s why all subsequent lockdowns haven’t seen a sharp drop in deaths as happened in April.

346019 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1260 of 1794 🔗

We don’t need any counter-conspiracies. The April spike had all the marks of a real viral outbreak, probably made worse by the now established ‘dry tinder’ effect and the cack-handling of Care Homes.

346342 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to RickH, #1261 of 1794 🔗

Since when is high pollution causing respiratory illness a conspiracy? It added to the numbers is all I’m saying- but when I posted it on Facebook back in March / April the post was taken down and people were saying what I said was dangerous a bit like you are .. wtf is going on?

346362 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to jos, 1, #1262 of 1794 🔗

Definitely a big contributory factor in the Northern Italy deaths in March/April.

345997 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Adamb, 1, #1263 of 1794 🔗

No, it’s the same in Grmany. Respiratory diseases were higher in 2019 than in 2020 for the whole year. Take a look at this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoTeBX1XEAA6ugK?format=png&name=900×900

346260 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Adamb, #1264 of 1794 🔗

Don’t think you’re missing anything but a proportion of ‘Covid deaths’ were likely to be classified as sepsis or cardiac/circulatory. There will also be many with no relevant symptoms who happened to have positive PCR of course. What you have is the stats for actual Covid within the restpiratory deaths.

346361 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to ituex, #1265 of 1794 🔗

Interesting, thanks. I didn’t realise they could be classified as anything other than respiratory deaths.

345850 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 45, #1266 of 1794 🔗

Reading between the lines, it looks like the government and SAGE are panicking a bit that lockdowns aren’t working. Well, who’d’ve thunk it? Ten months and the GDP’s worth of debt later, and the (ha’)penny finally drops.

Lockdowns don’t work.

345864 ▶▶ tony rattray, replying to Nick Rose, 22, #1267 of 1794 🔗

Yes, its called winter. Been around for a while. Quite a few people over the age of 70 die, surprise surprise.

346002 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1268 of 1794 🔗

Yeah but, no but, they do work really right, it’s just that a few people said that they might not – that’s why they didn’t work, those people ruined it for everyone.

345851 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 23, #1269 of 1794 🔗

Just been looking at the comments on the Telegraph. By far the majority of comments are sceptical and critical of the “governments” figures. There are the usual bedwetter comments with no substance, just bleating what they are told. But overall the comments are sceptical, could the people be turning? We can live in hope.

345947 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1270 of 1794 🔗

I have a vague feeling that they may be, hence the massive push from the government and bedwetters. Went in to town earlier today, dreading the thought of walking through a ghost town with a spattering of masked zombies…turned out that there were more unmasked ‘humans’ out on the streets drinking coffees and chatting with friends than I have seen in some time. Considering 2/3rd of shops are shut or closing down I was quite surprised (pleasantly).

My only niggle was over hearing 2 millennial couples comparing their covid symptoms and isolation experiences. It was like listening to a group of veterans discussing their time in the trenches. I was quite amazed that non of them had a Purple Heart pinned to their proud chest. Prats.

345973 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mike, 2, #1271 of 1794 🔗

I was speaking to a friend today who is a school governor. He is what I would describe as a ‘half-sceptic’. He says there is a lot of anger in schools at the moment over the u-turn and many parents are disgruntled because they believe themselves to be ‘key workers’ but the school has not classified them as such.

346330 ▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Cranmer, #1272 of 1794 🔗

It’s quite difficult for schools actually- at least for Heads trying to organise things at such short notice. Where I am a governor, about 40% of the teachers are in the NEU and wouldn’t turn up anyway, so the HT was quite relieved when Boris shut the schools. What’s worse, the union wouldn’t hear of supply teachers being used in case it ‘contaminated’ the bubbles. With only a handful of staff left, they can only cope with a small number of keyworker children and the definition doesn’t exclude many occupations now.

346004 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Mike, 4, #1273 of 1794 🔗

I think this too – the DT and Speccie commenters in the main have been very sceptical and when out and about, I see people are behaving pretty normally given what they can actually do, going for walks in groups, lots of cars on the roads. Hence the ramping up of the fear and the threats.

345983 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Smelly Melly, #1274 of 1794 🔗

It’s been like that for a while on DT comments.

345858 romo90, replying to romo90, 37, #1275 of 1794 🔗

It’s amazing to think what has been normalised over the past 10 months, beyond the standard gripes on the comments here of lockdowns, mandatory mask wearing and being told by the Government how long you can spend eating your dinner.
The most perverse and perhaps hardest to eradicate of all is the stats and data given to us now on a daily basis of how many people have died.
Prior to this past year or so, if someone came up to you in the street and said ‘did you know, 1252 people have died today? What are you going to do about it?’, you would report them to the police to have them sectioned for being clearly insane.
Nowadays, a person telling you this figure day after day is called a government employed expert.
Will people’s morbid curiosity ever stop? Will the covid dashboard ever be dismantled?

345870 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to romo90, 11, #1276 of 1794 🔗

Great post. The majority still have no context to any of the death figures either. They don’t know how many people die on average each day in this country. Absolutely clueless

345905 ▶▶▶ romo90, replying to Hubes, 18, #1277 of 1794 🔗

Part of me even thinks it’s not even worthwhile playing along with the data analysis game with the lockdown fanatics anymore, anything more than zero deaths isn’t good enough for them.
I would suggest anyone caught in this debate to just switch it up and say ‘why would or should I do anything about a natural death in the world? Are you saying I should be criminalised because I haven’t come up with a solution for immortality?’
We are caught in a twisted and demented train of thought that dying of old age always means dying in your sleep suddenly without even knowing your time was up – no, throughout human history, 99.99% of deaths of old age have involved a period of illness beforehand. COVID is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. My own grandmother died of flu that turned into pneumonia 4.5 years ago – no one thought to start a witch hunt about who infected her, or why the world was not under house arrest to prevent her catching a virus.

345911 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to romo90, 10, #1278 of 1794 🔗

In the middle ages Chaucer wrote a comedy (The Pardoner’s Tale) about a group of drunks who were so stupid they thought Death was a person, so they went searching for him to kill him so that death would be no more. People had a slightly more realistic concept of mortality back then, and got the joke. I wonder if many would today!

345982 ▶▶▶▶▶ romo90, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1279 of 1794 🔗

You could do a modern parody remake of that called The Piers Morgan’s Tale

346076 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to romo90, 1, #1280 of 1794 🔗

The Piers Morgan who demanded that Christmas be cancelled immediately prior to jetting off to the Caribbean for his Christmas holidays?

345871 godowneasy, 22, #1281 of 1794 🔗

As well as protecting the NHS it is now important to protect the fire brigade as well. Heating systems can cause fires which is very inconvenient for those poor firefighters.

So, please:

STAY HOME
TURNING OFF THE HEATING
FREEZE TO DEATH

Thank you.

345876 quodcumque, replying to quodcumque, 93, #1282 of 1794 🔗

From my Facebook feed:

345890 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to quodcumque, 13, #1283 of 1794 🔗

Great! My first belly laugh of the day…

345906 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to quodcumque, 10, #1284 of 1794 🔗

In a sane society there would be stand up comedians/turns doing jokes like this on the TV and radio. Thank the Lord we still have the internet and comedians like Andrew Lawrence.

346032 ▶▶ Janette, replying to quodcumque, 2, #1285 of 1794 🔗

Love it

345877 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 5, #1286 of 1794 🔗

Ze rising “cases” and reported deaths vill continue until ze people turn up in great numbers and in abject fear for ze jab. Zis is clear no? Ze whole point of zis 9-month project has always been to make the big money and power for Big Pharma. Ve must not let up and must now drive everyone to behave and have ze genetic engineering shot vaccination.

345935 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Ross Hendry, 1, #1287 of 1794 🔗

Ze inverted commas around ze cases could be construed by ze oberstumpfuhrers as questioning ze narrative Herr Ross, some have been shot, for zeir own good of course, for less!

345881 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 51, #1288 of 1794 🔗

This is about us!

https://twitter.com/LPerrins/status/1347948360150495232

I notice a good few MPs and the times editorial going after [Toby] and lockdown sceptics.

A tiny team putting up significant opposition that is clearly having cut through.

Keep going.

Government and SAGE are flailing about. Meltdown. Ha, ha.

345893 ▶▶ tony rattray, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1289 of 1794 🔗

I almost feel proud!

345901 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nick Rose, 20, #1290 of 1794 🔗

The French Resistance (the real ones, not the ones who pretended after the war) were very small in number, probably only a few hundred, and started out with minor acts of sabotage such as puncturing tyres and chalking anti-German grafitti on walls. From little acorns, etc.

345948 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1291 of 1794 🔗

Yes, Let’s find some little acorns.

346023 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Banjones, 4, #1292 of 1794 🔗

And turn them into mighty aches.

345980 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1293 of 1794 🔗

Of course, they could call on the British and Americans to do the real damage. Whom can we call on?

345902 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1294 of 1794 🔗

I might invest in a make over, new do and contacts for my media, same as that spikey haired investment banker turned uk vaccine spokeswoman marketeer… she looked peachy after a long make up session and the right lighting – so I will too.

345912 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1295 of 1794 🔗

When close to the target you start taking flack….

345949 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Simon, 2, #1296 of 1794 🔗

Works for me!

345943 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1297 of 1794 🔗

They’re not ”sage”. They are now SAG. There IS no ”emergency’.

345882 Matt The Cat, replying to Matt The Cat, 8, #1298 of 1794 🔗

British people; you need to do your patriotc duty:

Smoulder. Suffocate. Starve.

345977 ▶▶ iane, replying to Matt The Cat, 4, #1299 of 1794 🔗

Yep, in this order: Ferguson. Hangcock. Bozo.

345897 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 12, #1300 of 1794 🔗

”Saving Lives At Sea” – the BBC documentary about those brave souls who go out and risk their own lives to save others. REAL heroes, if you want to clap someone.

But how bizarre – they have to wear muzzles and rubber gloves in the middle of the ocean, when they are struggling to rescue people! Is this what the BBC has decreed, or do they really do this?

If this is an example of how we are being controlled and manipulated, even in the most extreme of circumstances (unless it’s all staged in which case they may lose some supporters) then the BBC has a lot to answer for, as a mouthpiece of our Masters.

346037 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Banjones, 5, #1301 of 1794 🔗

The RNLI is run by a hyper-woke management coven these days. I shouldn’t be at all surprised if these brave people have to muzzle up in a force 7.

345914 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 6, #1302 of 1794 🔗

We are now being compared to harold shipman! So 40% of covid deaths being in care homes is our fault? Concentrate on protecting the most vulnerable, not the well. Another d**khead to add to the long list.

Harold Shipman’s ghost haunts the Covid debate | Comment | The Sunday Times (thetimes.co.uk)

345930 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to tony rattray, 10, #1303 of 1794 🔗

Unbelievable. He’s blaming people that advocated policies never implemented for deaths that are occurring despite lockdown after lockdown.

And of course, PCR noise leaves us both none the wiser anyway. Totally meaningless copy.

345989 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1304 of 1794 🔗

It’s truly baffling that people think that the government listened to the right-wing covid-denying nutters and didn’t in fact lock down.

Since their precious lockdowns haven’t worked, they are now trying to pretend they didn’t happen (see? see? Gupta got her way, didn’t she?), and the failure must be because a few people wondered if there might be a better way.

345931 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to tony rattray, 16, #1305 of 1794 🔗

Given that the shipman case resulted in a legal change for two signatures required on death certificates and since March due to Covid only one is now required, how are we responsible!

345920 Simon, replying to Simon, 17, #1306 of 1794 🔗

I was out in Shirley earlier, for my government mandated constitutional…. and I saw two of the marshalls by the Aldi. Wlaked past them when going in both directions and they were doing the same thing.

Both standing together chatting (close together), one smoking, both masks below the chins.

I’m thinking, perhaps these aren’t the enemy. They obviously havent bought into it all and might just be in need of a job.

I thought about getting on of those a while back, I’d love the test and no trace phone operator role.

As a sceptic with nearly a year of no income there might be more of us working in compliant positions.

Imagine being a marshall, but advising people that it’s going to be fine with a smile. Would do wonders.

345937 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Simon, 8, #1307 of 1794 🔗

Yes, indeed! Great idea, great post! Let’s infiltrate! If they can do it, so can we. (Of course you may have to take pencil up your nose in order to qualify. A small price to pay, perhaps?)
Study their ”uniform”. If nothing else, it will undermine them.

346267 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Banjones, #1308 of 1794 🔗

I’m sure replicas could be made…

345923 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 14, #1309 of 1794 🔗

Don’t you get the impression that things are moving very fast? As they are now in the US, now that they have control of social media, et al?
How long before the internet is ”cleansed” and we shall have trouble finding one another?

345940 ▶▶ l835, replying to Banjones, 5, #1310 of 1794 🔗

That’s my worry, and the obvious next step, stop us talking to each other.

345952 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to l835, 7, #1311 of 1794 🔗

That’s why it’s important to get in touch with sceptics in your area, in case of a shutdown of social media etc:
https://www.thefreedomnetwork.co.uk/find-a-hub

345961 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1312 of 1794 🔗

All sorted around here!

345963 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to CGL, 2, #1313 of 1794 🔗

Trouble is, all these search engines (and I am no computer savvy person) are run so that they can close us down, even these ‘freedom’ things at the drop of a …. what equates with ”hat” in computer-speak?

Real addresses and email are out of the question. How about chupatties?

345970 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Banjones, 1, #1314 of 1794 🔗

1857

345975 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1315 of 1794 🔗

Yes. My last comment was disallowed. Here it is:
Trouble is, all these search engines (and I am no computer savvy person) are run so that they can close us down, even these ‘freedom’ things at the drop of a …. what equates with ”hat” in computer-speak?

Real addresses and email are out of the question. How about chupatties? (I would say ‘how about chupatties being a code word’ but there is nothing we can hide these days. Unless it’s a real chupatty. I’ve got one. I’ll leave it under the third yew tree on the right of the church looking south….)

It may come to this.

346033 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, 1, #1316 of 1794 🔗

Fingerache? Where are we?

346031 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1317 of 1794 🔗

Steve – isn’t it sad that we’ve come to this? Even if we say it tongue in cheek?

346134 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Banjones, #1318 of 1794 🔗

Make connections now online, then the old fashioned way. It won’t matter as much if they close it down after that – the network will already be there

345976 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1319 of 1794 🔗

This cab’t be stressed enough.

346060 ▶▶▶ DThom, replying to l835, 5, #1320 of 1794 🔗

That’s why they stopped us meeting in pubs and restaurants

346008 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Banjones, 3, #1321 of 1794 🔗

One theory I’ve heard is that if there is going to be some sort of Great Reset, there will also be a faked computer virus which will be used to terrify people into going offline. I think it’s hard to believe that the internet would be suddenly and completely cut off without warning (like the telephone system was in Poland before the Soviet backed military takeover in the 80s).

346024 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1322 of 1794 🔗

A computer virus that will be able to access all operating systems?
I use Windows but keep a Linux enabled old Mac for back up.
Still, all things will be possible in their Brave New World.
From memory, PRC were able to close off their nation’s internet capability or restrict it in some ay.

346012 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Banjones, 3, #1323 of 1794 🔗

Indeed- they’ve undoubtedly been itching to censor the Internet for ages. I doubt it will happen during this business- it would cut off supplies of food for photogenic “kiddies” and Saint Tom Moore, and that wouldn’t be a good look. However:-

  • period of serious international tension- we can rely on Bidet to provide plenty of those
  • massive alleged cyberattack, blamed inevitably on The Evil Russians
  • the whole thing’s apparently completely down for a few days, much activity ensues by HMG and the Army to distract those who confuse movement with action
  • and when service is resumed, things on the ‘net are rather different, and sparser, and less, er, diverse…..well, see point 1, national emergency, with a heavy heart we must introduce temporary security measures for all our protection…these regrettable measures will be revoked as soon as we judge it safe to do so…
  • is one possible scenario.
  • Mystic Mac- courtesy of his crystal balls.
346263 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Banjones, #1324 of 1794 🔗

The internet is totally nuclear bomb proof, that why we have the internet.
That is why the internet is like it is.
Underneath all the facebooks an twitters are just packets being routed about through millions of switches taking a totally diverse route through the internet, if one route is blocked then the packets are re-routed. This make it impossible to shut down the internet.

Sure we might have to go back to modems and more clunky ways but the internet will never be shut down. The dark web works well. There is always radio too.

345932 dan72, replying to dan72, 4, #1325 of 1794 🔗

I’m not sure if this has been mentioned before, but, as we are only supposed to be out for an hour a day, why don’t we all go out at the same time? Say 2 – 3 pm?

345967 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to dan72, 3, #1326 of 1794 🔗

Where does this only one hour a day for exercise come from?

345971 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1327 of 1794 🔗

From Hangcock’s fertile ‘brain’.

345979 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to iane, 3, #1328 of 1794 🔗

There is nothing in the law or the guidance about how long one can exercise for outside.

345999 ▶▶▶ dan72, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1329 of 1794 🔗

The more there are on the streets at any one time, the better. Not many want to go outside the rules/guidance but still object to this nonsense.

345987 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to dan72, #1330 of 1794 🔗

Great idea, that will definitely stop the spread – has to doesn’t it, because curfews have been definitely proved to work.

345938 Sara, replying to Sara, 6, #1331 of 1794 🔗

Something has been puzzling me since the Lockdown Sceptics report on the 7th January. Am I right in thinking that normally the PCR tests for 3 sequences of genetic code, and if all 3 are present, then you are PCR positive? I think, from what I read on 7th, that the new strain has a so-called S-gene that doesn’t register in the PCR tests. So, now, if they only find two sequences of relevant genetic code, they still say it is positive but of the new strain? I might have misunderstood that, so would be grateful for replies from people who are more scientific than me. Or are they also testing for the S-gene?

345958 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Sara, 7, #1332 of 1794 🔗

You are correct. They all tests for three genes. A small fraction are also sequenced to read the genetic code abs confirm that the strain of interest has the changed S gene. Two amino acids are missing T positions 69/70 and that stops the primer for pcr binding the s gene.

346095 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sara, 2, #1333 of 1794 🔗

This is worth a watch

https://youtu.be/3CqK2DwQYkw

345946 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 47, #1334 of 1794 🔗

It strikes me that they’re running out of ‘fresh meat’ for the ‘fear porn’.

The scare stories keep going nowhere.

Troops on the streets – didn’t happen
Supply chain problems – didn’t happen apart from a few days in March
Covid in the water – didn’t happen
Covid spread by animals – didn’t happen
Healthy people dying from Covid – didn’t happen
Covid being spread on surfaces, tins from shops etc – didn’t happen
More youngsters in hospital due to Covid – didn’t happen and was officially denied
‘Long Covid’ – didn’t happen, at least not to any significant degree
More deaths from Mutant Strain – didn’t happen
4,000 deaths a day by October – didn’t happen
Bodies in mass graves, temporary mortuaries etc – didn’t happen

&c &c &c

Most people don’t notice these things but after a while they will run out of new scare stories and will have to rehash the old ones; each time the narrative gets weaker.

345960 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Cranmer, 9, #1335 of 1794 🔗

Spot on, but why do so many people continue to believe all the scaremongering? I despair.

345968 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Liz F, 4, #1336 of 1794 🔗

Well, just remember that it took WW2 to cure the Germans!

346018 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to iane, 7, #1337 of 1794 🔗

It took defeat in WW2to cure the Germans.

346154 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Annie, #1338 of 1794 🔗

I am afraid to say that they were not permanently cured. They are very ill once again (and I don’t mean with Covid). This time the Fuhrer’s name is Drosten.

345993 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Liz F, 9, #1339 of 1794 🔗

I despair too, but find some hope in the fact that even though they believe these stories at first, the effect of them being bombarded with them constantly seems to be very slightly wearing off. The mass of the populace has not critically analysed anything, it’s just that it’s hard to constantly make people feel fear without any evidence for what they are supposed to be afraid of.

The theologian Alan Watts posited that western civilization moved away from the medieval idea of God because they became tired of the ‘stern old gentleman who would punish them for every misdemeanour’. Hopefully something similar will happen with Covid propaganda.

346180 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1340 of 1794 🔗

Not to say I necessarily agree with the thesis, but let’s hope this time it doesn’t take over a thousand years…..

345951 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 91, #1341 of 1794 🔗

Just went to the play park while it was light to have a go on the swings with child. She was plenty warm enough due to her snowsuit and after, put her in a very warm pram with blankets and hot water bottle.

There were lots of people in the park, playing basketball, going on the swings, chatting with each other etc.

As it got dark, I hung around with a friend and had a chat whilst daughter slept in pram.

As soon as everyone else left the park, there were just two of us (and pram) left.

Enter our brave boys and girls in the police service (predictable – they drove around earlier, but did not bother to tell everyone that they are killing everyone and they should imprison themselves)

They moved us on. The police woman said to me “It’s not a good look hanging around a park with your baby in the dark”

I replied “It’s not a good look being a member of the British Police force going around taking away everyone’s human rights!”

She replied with some covid bollocks and I walked off saying “whatever”.

I will never forgive these people.

345962 ▶▶ iane, replying to captainbeefheart, 11, #1342 of 1794 🔗

Yes – and that will be too soon!

345984 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to captainbeefheart, 33, #1343 of 1794 🔗

When my daughter was a baby (approx 2 months old), she’d just had her jabs, had a horrible fever and the country was basking in a July heatwave.

So my other half took her out in the baby carrier for an evening walk, to cool her off and hopefully soothe her to sleep. Around 9pm in July, so getting dusky. She was just in her nappy, but as previously stated it was very hot, she had a fever, and she was snuggled next to him in the sling with only her little legs poking out. Whilst he strolled around the local park, he sang to her in an attempt to calm her down.

Some utter prat took it upon himself to call said brave boys and girls, to report a “strange man” in the park with a “naked baby” walking around and “talking to himself”. Next thing he knew, two officers were sprinting towards him across the field, screaming at him to stop and surrender.

They then followed him home, to “check on the welfare of the baby”, and proceeded to lecture two exhausted frazzled new parents (she was a very difficult, screamy sort of baby) on the correct attire for a baby on being taken for a walk in the park at dusk. Fever or no fever, heatwave or no heatwave, the baby should apparently be fully dressed and in a hat (!), the proof being that her feet were cold.

As any fule kno, it is completely normal for babies hands and feet to feel cool, so long as their core temperature (chest and back) feels warm, which of course hers did (but they knew better – one of them had raised two children don’t you know!). I stormed upstairs in tears, being in an extremely delicate frame of mind since her birth, and they eventually departed with vague threats to report to the health visitor and mutterings about the house being “clean and tidy at least”.

One of the most awful days of my life. Unfortunately some police have always been and will always be twats.

345990 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to A. Contrarian, 21, #1344 of 1794 🔗

I find you always think of the best thing to say after you have had time to process what just happened.

A few days ago, one of the police said that he understands how hard it is because he has three children.

I wish I had the sharp thinking to reply…

“Oh dear, that’s terrible! I’ve only got to watch one person grow up with their future destroyed, you’ve got to watch three. One day they might ask what you were doing to stop this madness and you’d have to tell them that you were enforcing it.”

346050 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1345 of 1794 🔗

Trouble is – they may applaud him when their time comes to stand up and be counted. Is it enough, perhaps, that they should be the survivors?

346052 ▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Banjones, 2, #1346 of 1794 🔗

Do you think that the government will do some sort of “Clap for idiot parents that facilitated in fucking your life up” thing? 🙂

345986 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to captainbeefheart, 10, #1347 of 1794 🔗

Good reply, well done. What law exactly prevents a woman with a baby walking through a park at night, even under the present junta?

346069 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1348 of 1794 🔗

A law that was passed without any scrutiny or debate, perhaps? Recently, perhaps? Without your own MP showing any interest, perhaps? And that we weren’t actually acquainted with at the moment it came into force, perhaps?

346015 ▶▶ Annie, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #1349 of 1794 🔗

Stand up to the swine, For your daughter’s sake. That’s the spirit

345964 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 13, #1350 of 1794 🔗

Authoritarianism has come in many guises through history, now we have an old sleepy grandfather, pretty non threatening on the surface but soon to be backed by the full force of government legally, with propaganda from MSM and support of tech oligarch to cut you off, almost checkmate.

Not far behind a fat, jolly journalist come politician who has rode to the top on a ticket of personal liberty but no soon as rises to those heights, copies the CCP, egged on by a couple of power mad ministers, bought scientists and a medic who hates others having any fun. Fully backed by the same media operations. Any alternative view is fully on the margins, maybe soon to be extinguished.

With a Police Force desperate to get more power, it is check and unless more people use their brain, it will soon be checkmate.

Many of those bribed into acquiescence will want their freedom back soon. They may be disappointed.

345972 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to nottingham69, 5, #1351 of 1794 🔗

Many of them never deserved any freedoms in the first place.

345995 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to nottingham69, 7, #1352 of 1794 🔗

The Devil seldom appears in a red suit with a pitch fork.

346014 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #1353 of 1794 🔗

Quite, so many seem to be fooled by Johnson’s stage act.

346017 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1354 of 1794 🔗

He’s a man of wealth and taste.

346175 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1355 of 1794 🔗

Rolling Stones reference.

346006 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to nottingham69, 5, #1356 of 1794 🔗

How utterly dishonourable. If anyone described me as ”dishonourable” – then that is the worst thing they could say of me.
Yet these people swan through their lives as if their personal conduct doesn’t matter so long as they’re comfortable. The word ”dispiriting” doesn’t even come close.
Chupatties it is.

345966 franknhonest, 5, #1357 of 1794 🔗

Human rights implications of long lockdown: you can submit your own evidence here (deadline 11 Jan):
https://committees.parliament.uk/work/855/the-governments-response-to-covid19-human-rights-implications-of-long-lockdown/
Just sent mine in saying the architects of lockdown should be sent to jail for crimes against humanity.

345969 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #1358 of 1794 🔗

Slightly longer one from Alex Belfield. 8 minutes.
https://youtu.be/Z_ROgIdMpJ8

Police, lockdown laws, your rights.

346007 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Basics, 5, #1359 of 1794 🔗

Very good. The key is don’t argue, even if you know they are wrong. Don’t escalate by losing your cool, an arrest would lead to them having your DNA and prints for life and I for one don’t trust them.

346021 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to nottingham69, #1360 of 1794 🔗

I find it difficult to believe that they ‘ll pass up on the opportunity to enhance their DNA database afforded by mass-testing.

345974 dommo, replying to dommo, 2, #1361 of 1794 🔗

MR CHARISMA!!!!:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR6P4qIg5xM

anyone want to unload?

346045 ▶▶ mj, replying to dommo, 4, #1362 of 1794 🔗

its him……….

346136 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to mj, 3, #1363 of 1794 🔗

“my PCRecious!!!!”

346063 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to dommo, #1364 of 1794 🔗

Its getting nicely ratioed.

346085 ▶▶ Basics, replying to dommo, 4, #1365 of 1794 🔗

Someone was saying how to stay chirpy. Read the comments to that video. You are not alone! Many witty folk know that shitty whitty really is shitty. Drubbing. It feels like another turning point towards a better situation. Our character has nowhere near been broken by the absolute assault by these facists. Strong as the day before they began with their voodoo.

346105 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Basics, 2, #1366 of 1794 🔗

I haven’t found one in their favour yet – I’m going to stop looking, so I can stay feeling as I do now! Good stuff

346128 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 3, #1367 of 1794 🔗

I quite liked this one though:-
“my mate drives a bus and he says its the same apart from him and his mates can’t have a few pints before they start work”

346333 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to dommo, #1368 of 1794 🔗

From the comments:-

“Hands face space, Hancock’s an effing disgrace”

345981 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 19, #1369 of 1794 🔗

Swiss Policy Research at https://swprs.org/covid-masks-review/ is a site I would describe as ‘anti-establishment Left Wing’-likes Asange & Chomsky, hates NATO. Not my politics, but truth is truth and it has a long list & links to research papers and preprints demolishing the case for masking if it ever existed. Tom Woods (US Libertarian) and twitter ‘el gatto malo’ have graphs and scattergrams showing no correlation let alone causation between masking and any benefit and are very useful. Masking is the weakest part of the Government’s line. It is always a good idea to attack the enemy at its weakest point-sow some doubt in people’s minds about masks and a chink in their certainty may make them more likely to question in other areas.

345988 ▶▶ iane, replying to frankfrankly, 5, #1370 of 1794 🔗

All true – but those who have worn the mask will not like to admit that they have been conned!

346068 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to iane, 17, #1371 of 1794 🔗

I don’t really get this idea of people not wanting to admit they’ve been conned; I was one of the conned for the first few weeks – all those pictures of people dying in the streets of Wuhan, or the hospital corridors of n, Italy – but when the penny finally dropped, it just made me extremely angry with the scammers – perhaps part of my anger was the humiliation that I had been played for a fool, but whatever – it was entirely turned against the scammers, and 8 months on, it still is, if anything, it’s even more ferocious

346107 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to iane, 2, #1372 of 1794 🔗

Gives them an excuse, plus when polled many people conveniently forget they backed the loser and claim they did the reverse!

345992 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to frankfrankly, 16, #1373 of 1794 🔗

Chris Whitty admitted to a House of Commons Select Committee that there was not evidence that face masks prevented the transmission of viruses. He justified the government’s change of policy on face masks rather on the basis that the government had changed its “interpretation”.

346096 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1374 of 1794 🔗

When was this?

346010 ▶▶ Annie, replying to frankfrankly, 7, #1375 of 1794 🔗

It’s weak as regards Covvie, but it’s bloody effective at keeping the zombies subservient and terrified- and vindictive towards human beings with faces.

346115 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Annie, 4, #1376 of 1794 🔗

That’s exactly what the WHO said – masks are not effective, excep that they remind people to obey the rules. Couldn’t be plainer, could it?

346029 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to frankfrankly, 15, #1377 of 1794 🔗

Lots of non compliance in Morrisons in my part of Essex today , made a change from it being just me and the Mrs showing our faces and smiling . Thought that was a positive when you consider the upping of the terror campaign directed us all since Christmas .

345991 Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), 20, #1378 of 1794 🔗

Twitter exodus gathering pace (many moving to GAB) and share price plummeting – https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/Stock/twtr

Going to be interesting to watch over the next few days and weeks.

346003 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), 2, #1379 of 1794 🔗

But can Google pull the plug on GAB as they appear to have done on Parler?

346013 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), replying to Ken Gardner, 7, #1380 of 1794 🔗

Don’t think they can pull the plug. They can limit search results but Duck Duck Go still coming up top.

346026 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), #1381 of 1794 🔗

Thanks, I see (or think I do!) I use Duck Duck Go as a small protest against Google, but still finding some links from LS apparently blocked.

346040 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), 1, #1382 of 1794 🔗

I’m really an ignoramus – but don’t you access duckduck through google?

346047 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Banjones, 1, #1383 of 1794 🔗

DDG gets its search database from Google but allegedly filters it more permissively. I use it, anyway. Might be worth considering Startpage- although they’ve copped a bit of bad press recently- or Qwant, which is French, i.e. outside the Five Eyes.

346093 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1384 of 1794 🔗

Yandex is not even in NATO.

346053 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), replying to Banjones, 6, #1385 of 1794 🔗

Use brave as your browser and DDG as your search engine

346064 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), #1386 of 1794 🔗

Have Firefox to hand as well- Brave’s Chromium- based, FF ain’t. Sometimes one works when the other doesn’t- as happened to me when placing an order about an hour ago!

346240 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1387 of 1794 🔗

Firefox is out, for many now. Not content with banning those they don’t like on the grounds of ‘hate’, they have proposed a whole raft of measures to crack down on who or what they deem ‘bad actors’ & of course chucked the obligatory ‘white supremacy’ statement in there for good measure.
A good comment I saw from someone – stop supporting those that hate you! – and certainly don’t believe you can rely on them

346043 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), #1388 of 1794 🔗

I’ve tried to reply. Not allowed. Can we access duck x 2 go through google, because it seems to be blocking me.

346139 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ken Gardner, 2, #1389 of 1794 🔗

As far as I know Google cannot take down a site, just stop selling its apps and make it disappear from searches. Not sure what procedures are involved in taking down a website.

346046 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), 1, #1390 of 1794 🔗

Hardly plummeting. It’s down a fraction from multi year highs

346011 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 42, #1391 of 1794 🔗

From the account of the two women getting ‘done’ by Derbyshire’s finest for drinking coffee outside, it seems these sparklers have not learned from the first lock-up when they ended up with egg on their faces for trolling people they had drone-videoed walking on Stanage Edge. Lord Sumption did a good job on them, I seem to remember.

This latest idiocy suggests that you can legally buy a coffee and/or snack from a take-away, as we saw dozens of people doing this very afternoon, but it’s breaking the law to consume it. In which case Plod missed a massive trick today.  As our shopkeeper friend remarked, ‘How can they actually impose a crack-down?’

We realised we’ve broken the ‘law’ at least twice since the latest ring of hell was imposed e.g. today, we sat down on a bench to drink our flasks of coffee, surrounded by other criminals picnicking. These included a disabled man who regularly sits in his wheelchair by the canal, drinking a peaceful beer or two.  It would make great propaganda footage, the police bullying an elderly disabled man for breaking the ‘rules’. I’m amazed they haven’t tried it already!

We now understand a local woman making a wry comment about us ‘picnicking’ on Tuesday as we consumed the cheese toasties we’d just bought from an outdoor cafe (in fact I guess this latest rubbish hadn’t come in at that point). However, the vicar and her husband who were buying a tea from the same cafe just now are clearly murderous criminals as they were highly unlikely to carry their drinks 2 miles home in the freezing cold to drink them.

Our area was absolutely swarming with people this afternoon. There were dozens of groups out walking and Tesco car-park was, as usual these days, packed solid.  Once again, this seems to be cognitive dissonance in action. I would bet that the majority of these people, if asked, would say that they support ‘tougher measures’ and believe the scare stories about the huge numbers of deaths and that the dreaded ‘new’ version virus ripping through the country. They would probably condemn ‘selfish’ people.  At the same time, they are not about to stay in the house but sensibly prefer to get fresh air and exercise. We are also aware of a few people taking not a blind notice of the ‘rules’ around people going into their house. Sure, there are a few idiots wearing face-nappies in the fresh air and a bit of silly swerving but most people walk right by us and most are friendly.

Like us, they seemed to be trying to get such joy from life as is possible in our fast-emerging fascist state. It was a lovely afternoon with gorgeous, pink light and dazzling sun-reflections from farm windows up in the hills and I had what is almost certainly an illegal and dangerous encounter with a beautiful, chestnut horse who I couldn’t resist stroking. MW

346020 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #1392 of 1794 🔗

That horse should probably be put down now because you infected it!

(just kidding…)

346030 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #1393 of 1794 🔗

I know, I really am a heartless bastard. Just call me Harold 😉 MW

346048 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #1394 of 1794 🔗

I just realised you were talking about Steptoe and Son!

Harold was alright, it was his nonce father that was the problem.

Vile man.

346083 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to captainbeefheart, #1395 of 1794 🔗

Harold was a gullible fool, easily manipulated. Ideal Wankok fodder.

346119 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Annie, 2, #1396 of 1794 🔗

No! He stayed with his Dad, no matter how weak he was. THAT’s what matters in the end.

346130 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Banjones, 1, #1397 of 1794 🔗

Indeed! Harold had social aspirations, however misguided and incongruous they might have been; his father none, and mocked his son accordingly.
But Harold stuck with him out of filial piety, if not love.

346150 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Banjones, #1398 of 1794 🔗

I was referring more to the actor that played Steptoe. He used to go to the far east to sleep with young boys. The BBC hushed it as much as they could. This is why it was easy to act scenes of hatred as Harold

346177 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to captainbeefheart, #1399 of 1794 🔗

I didn’t know that about Wilfred Bramble (ugh!) but I really meant Shipman (as per the comments above about LSs being likened to him!) MW

346035 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 17, #1400 of 1794 🔗

I too had a lovely day. Visited one of my ‘bubbles’, 70 miles away from where I live, and on the way home stopped for a walk with a ‘half sceptic’ friend. Lots of people in the park playing on swings etc, lots of children sitting close together on benches etc.

All the stuff about ‘increased enforcement’ in the news is bluster. When the Soviets clamped down on the Hungarian uprising in 1956, they didn’t tell everyone ‘we’re going to clamp down jolly hard on this, you wait and see!’ Instead they pulled out all their forces, waited for the Hungarians to relax their guard, and then returned with a crushing surprise attack.

My point is that governments that wish to crack down on things just do it, they don’t tell everyone it’s going to happen!

346161 ▶▶ Edward, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #1401 of 1794 🔗

The police never seem to learn from their mistakes. They make idiots of themselves, even the mainstream media sometimes think so, and a senior officer pops up to concede that they got it slightly wrong. A few weeks later they make idiots of themselves again.

346022 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1402 of 1794 🔗

The government have their own Behavioural Insights Team (Bit) aka as the Nudge Unit, who are doing just that, every day. The question is why?

346061 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1403 of 1794 🔗

Because it’s what Marxists do – shifting the Overton window etc.

346025 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 72, #1404 of 1794 🔗

I do think there is lockdown fatigue beginning to emerge.

I don’t believe for a minute that there is any ‘awakening’ in the general public. They still believe in the ‘rona, but they are beginning, perhaps, to become tired of all the restrictions. I’m basing this on things I’ve read in the press here and there – commentators and journalists making asides about how it’s all dragging on a bit. The ‘clap for carers’ flop and the anger over the schools u-turn is part of it. The gung-ho ‘all in it together’ stuff of 2020 seems largely gone.

This I believe is where our push should be – not to try to convince with stats but just to push home the message about tedious it all is and how it is going to go on forever unless people decide they’ve had enough.

346055 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Cranmer, 18, #1405 of 1794 🔗

Well sitting in the Sofitel in terminal 5 for my flight to Qatar in the morning- not quiet, terminal 5 also seems to have enough people milling around, long stay car park practically full. Not much notice being taken on their PCR test restrictions – good. A12 on the way down normal, M25 probably 65,%

346143 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Hattie, 2, #1406 of 1794 🔗

Is Qatar worth going to?

Presume you need to say it’s work-related?

346066 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Cranmer, 44, #1407 of 1794 🔗

Two significant things last week I think have (re)set the mood. Whitty’s slip early in the week that we might/would need a lockdown next winter, and the flop in the new clap for carers. The government has now lost control of the situation. NHS consultants constantly on TV telling us how bad things are – if it was that bad they wouldn’t have time to tell us – and the actions of the police are now seen by many as irrational and disproportionate. The public generally does not consent to their kids being out of school again. Wait till this month’s energy bills come in – Poll Tax II?

346077 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #1408 of 1794 🔗

And the very length of the lies.

Question is what clamp down measure will they produce to quell the rising?

346100 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Basics, 3, #1409 of 1794 🔗

I’m likely wrong, but it feels like danger zone to me.

346103 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Basics, 8, #1410 of 1794 🔗

Once a significant proportion of the public stop buying into it, it won’t matter what they do. The police can’t be everywhere, the army won’t attack their own people. There’s always the UN, I suppose…

346108 ▶▶▶▶ New name old face, replying to Basics, 9, #1411 of 1794 🔗

It’s a ‘meh’, not a rising. You can’t clamp down on a ‘can’t be bothered’.

346127 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to New name old face, 2, #1412 of 1794 🔗

exactly! asymmetric warfare at its finest!

346129 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to New name old face, #1413 of 1794 🔗

Good correcti9n yes. A melt.

346118 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1414 of 1794 🔗

OECD buttering us up for 12mth + of lockdowns

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55569760

346133 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 10, #1415 of 1794 🔗

I think the number of parents who are sending their children back to school is a real bellweather.

346173 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to TJN, 3, #1416 of 1794 🔗

Yes, I think that’s significant, and the pressure to allow in more kids will only grow as parents get exasperated. I know how I would have been had I been at home none stop with the elder son and also trying to work – he is difficult enough at 20!

346081 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, 10, #1417 of 1794 🔗

Also,they were told lockdowns ‘worked’. Now they’ve got lockdown shoved down their throats – along with ‘surges’ and ‘overwhelmings’ by the dozen, plus huge corpse counts, i.e. shriekingly clear evidence, from the Reverend Father of Lies, that lockdown isn’t working.
Even for a zombie, this cannot compute.

346114 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Annie, 6, #1418 of 1794 🔗

Back in March/April a sceptic was effectively silenced. Now, given a prompt, lots of people will confess their doubts. But I’m sure you know this better than me.

346082 ▶▶ Jody, replying to Cranmer, 15, #1419 of 1794 🔗

Agreed. And I think we should push on what is happening to children. I went on a march in Southeast France today, and everybody was emphasising the effects on kids.

This ties in what we have been saying about sceptics being more emotive in their responses to what governments are doing.

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346101 ▶▶ New name old face, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1420 of 1794 🔗

Yes people are interpreting rules for their own benefit. Their social conscience is defined by them and not by the propaganda. Which is fantastic!

346141 ▶▶ gina, replying to Cranmer, 7, #1421 of 1794 🔗

Agree. People here don’t usually speak to me, but since New Year seems they are desperate enough now to open conversations about how bored they are with nothing to do. Some have confessed to going for a drive because they are so fed up.
They did do the clapping thing last time – but not a sound anywhere about on Thursday…

346034 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1422 of 1794 🔗

Listen to the audience.
https://youtu.be/g2H-9OmErYQ
That’s how people used to respond to absurd assertions.

346078 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1423 of 1794 🔗

Upvoted just for the glorious memories of Bob Newhart sketches! This wasn’t one I remembered but he was a fantastic comedian.

346051 Amari, replying to Amari, 9, #1424 of 1794 🔗

I see Dr Tess Lawrie’s video on YouTube about Ivermectin has been removed by YouTube. No surprise there, YouTube first censored everything about Hydroxychloroquine and now it censors everything about Ivermectin. Both have proved very effective treatments against the virus – probably much safer and much more effective than the experimental vaccines.

346098 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Amari, #1425 of 1794 🔗

Google has skin in the game.

346106 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Amari, 1, #1426 of 1794 🔗

HCQ used regularly in Spain. Vitamin D study on Covid patients
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194/

346056 Janette, replying to Janette, 40, #1427 of 1794 🔗

If there was a real pandemic those in charge would be trying to calm the situation and not terrifying everyone with how bad it is. They are so transparent!

346092 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Janette, 6, #1428 of 1794 🔗

Trouble is is that the sheep can’t or won’t see it.

346094 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Janette, 7, #1429 of 1794 🔗

They have to terrify us into having the vaccine and terrify parliament into waving everything through with no proper process or scrutiny.

346131 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Janette, 5, #1430 of 1794 🔗

What was the message during the war years, when the Luftwaffe was overhead every night , when you might expect, in the major cities , to emerge from shelters to find your home destroyed: KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON .
Totally the opposite of the message from the pathetic and conniving scoundrels running the country and the BBC today, which is: PANIC AND DONT DO ANYTHING , ANYWHERE, ANYTIME..
We don’t want to see and hear the doom laden Boris and Whitty every night .
Give us the equivalent of ITMA and Tommy Handley .

346062 mhcp, 15, #1431 of 1794 🔗

The all-cause mortality tells a different story than the government’s panic figures.

Is this a HIDE THE DECLINE moment? Again?

346067 MDH, replying to MDH, 41, #1432 of 1794 🔗

Brockwell Park (about as right-on as you can get in south London) was absolutely rammed this afternoon – the busiest I think I’ve ever seen it in winter in 25 years. Very few masked, and no-one seemed at all bothered by social distancing, etc. These people are Mayor Khant’s core voters. At present, I’d imagine they’ll all still be voting for him, but they’re certainly not listening to him. Which is a start.

346072 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to MDH, 31, #1433 of 1794 🔗

Centre of Derby was not dead, but appreciably dead-ish. I had Sadlergate to myself (for those few unfamiliar with Derby, that’s a fairly major pedestrian street).

But the suburb where I live was full of people milling about all day. Mrs Ovis, who is rule-compliant, came back from a trip to the supermarket with a stark judgment on lockdown 3: “This has really backfired.”

I did not cry a river.

346151 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Ovis, 5, #1434 of 1794 🔗

Another Derby resident here, I agree with your observation about the city centre. Even so, it’s nothing like as dead as it was in the first lockdown. Maybe a bit less busy than in the second one, but the current cold weather is also a factor.

346116 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to MDH, 4, #1435 of 1794 🔗

danger is they might lock the gates again like April

346152 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1436 of 1794 🔗

Then the gates should be unlocked.

346070 straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 58, #1437 of 1794 🔗

Went sledging today to the local park with the wife and kids. Lots of other families there enjoying the outdoors. Not a face nap to be seen and it was the most ‘normal’ experience I’ve had for weeks.

346075 ▶▶ Basics, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 12, #1438 of 1794 🔗

Your experience matches my own when snow was with us last weekend. Excellent to see normal life.

346091 ▶▶ Janette, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 10, #1439 of 1794 🔗

That’s great. It restores my view on humanity.

346160 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Janette, 4, #1440 of 1794 🔗

Brighton and Worthing parks and seafronts full of families and couples. A few cops around and to be fair, not a word.
So different from some of the reports both in the MSM obviously, but also the experience of lots of you on here today.

346080 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 23, #1441 of 1794 🔗

Feels like the UK is being run by a bunch of Communists. The public are not very happy about it in general. Just saying.

346084 ▶▶ Annie, replying to theanalyst, 28, #1442 of 1794 🔗

Communists, Fascists, Stalinists, anything-ists, they’re all the same when their boot is stamping on your face,

346120 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Annie, 7, #1443 of 1794 🔗

Mr Johnson is certainly no Libertarian that’s for sure.

346140 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 9, #1444 of 1794 🔗

Indeed, TT. He struggles with the difference between libertine and libertarian.

346144 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #1445 of 1794 🔗

He’s certainly that – although maybe after his covid experience that’s off the cards now. Maybe he just likes changing nappies!

346174 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #1446 of 1794 🔗

Well that should remind him of Mark Twain’s words.
I like the idea of nappies as a political memento mori.
The Iranians threw shoes, perhaps we could throw nappies (disposable ones of course).

346158 ▶▶▶▶▶ cambridgenative, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #1447 of 1794 🔗

Excellent joke, but he is in no discernible way a libertarian. He just loves spending taxpayers’ money too much for that.

346172 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, 2, #1448 of 1794 🔗

A bunch of dictators and tyrants.

346117 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1449 of 1794 🔗

Marxists pushing narrative to very willing Fascists. But, aren’t they two cheeks of the same backside?

346358 ▶▶ RickH, replying to theanalyst, -1, #1450 of 1794 🔗

No – it’s a bunch of Tories! Get some spectacles! – denial won’t fix short sight.

346086 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 6, #1451 of 1794 🔗

Can I just confirm something – It is legal to buy a take away but illegal to eat it outside? Just asking

346109 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Steeve, 1, #1452 of 1794 🔗

It’s lawful at least

346167 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steeve, 1, #1453 of 1794 🔗

My understanding is that regs simply say you must have a reasonable excuse for not being at home.

346090 Basics, 5, #1454 of 1794 🔗

COVID-1984 UPDATE |02-01-21
We now have enough utterly compelling prima facie evidence to proceed with the PCP. More very soon – the day 7th January the time Now and the life ours in the making – Updates will be forthcoming

This has been submitted under the Peoples Union of Britain PUB – join the PUB and rally to the developments for the New Era You are bringing these cases to prosecution. Be named for history….

https://www.thefreedomcycle.com/covid/biggest-criminal-fraud-case.html

346121 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 8, #1456 of 1794 🔗

Well, that’s one to watch like a hawk.
Calling all snitches! Calling all snitches! The minute the household bubble is breached we want to know. Gotcha!!

346148 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1457 of 1794 🔗

Of course, Ms Carrie might have kicked him out!

346178 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #1458 of 1794 🔗

Maybe, but I think we’d probably have heard.

346135 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #1459 of 1794 🔗

Bucket/Sick!!

346137 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 12, #1460 of 1794 🔗

Why can’t Carrie look after Wilfred. Only one child and It’s not as if she is running the country – oh hold on .

346179 ▶▶▶ cambridgenative, replying to mikewaite, 3, #1461 of 1794 🔗

I was proud to have graduated from the same university as Timmy Mallet. My pride was completely spoiled when I found out recently that young Carrie is also a graduate. Not sure her degree in art history and theatre studies will help much in running the country, mind you, she is no worse qualified than most of the Cabinet.

Timmy was very much the high point though!

346236 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to cambridgenative, 6, #1462 of 1794 🔗

If it’s any consolation, I graduated from the same place as the Fabulous Four (Doris, Handsy, Gove and Dishi Rishi) – was even there at the same time as one, and was closely associated with a conquest of one of the others. If only I had known then what I know now!

346282 ▶▶▶▶▶ cambridgenative, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #1463 of 1794 🔗

Ah Gove. A brainy chap I think, but a wee bit slippery at times. As for Dishi, so far he has been popular by handing out vast shedloads of money. Will this effect last when he stops doing that, one wonders?

We though had Timmy. A genuinely nice person, by the way. We also had that woman who used to be royal correspondent: Jenny Bond. And Princess Nut Nut.

Sorry to sound so boastful 😉

346353 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mikewaite, #1464 of 1794 🔗

And it’s not like he isn’t old enought to be sleeping the night through. I’d have thought help would have been more appropriate several months ago. Besides, surely they have a nanny?

346209 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #1465 of 1794 🔗

Like between they they can’t afford a nanny.

346229 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #1466 of 1794 🔗

Boris is apparently a bit short on the cash – there was an article in The Mail a few months ago detailing it.

346228 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1467 of 1794 🔗

At least that means that the “crackdown” won’t abolish support bubbles… How would Cawwie cope without Mummy?

346122 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #1468 of 1794 🔗

Tomorrow’s FA cup match tomorrow between Marine and Spurs could get interesting. There was an interview on Five Live this morning with some of the locals. They pointed out that the Marine ground is so small that there are several vantage points like people’s back gardens where you could view the match. The locals were definite about turning up to watch the match. Wouldn’t be a good look for the police if they start arresting people.

346165 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1469 of 1794 🔗

I bought my £10 virtual ticket for the match a few virtual beers and a virtual burger at half time I hope theres not a queue for the virtual toilet’s , last count Marine have sold over 10,000 virtual tickets it will be their record attendance strange times indeed , I would imagine the locals will be watching from their bedroom windows there’s a lot of goodwill around this game worldwide certainly wouldn’t be a good look for masked up Stasi dragging people from their homes

346123 albert hall, replying to albert hall, 6, #1470 of 1794 🔗

Police today were arresting people for sitting on benches in Bournemouth promenade

346125 ▶▶ dommo, replying to albert hall, 18, #1471 of 1794 🔗

cunts

346142 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to dommo, 1, #1472 of 1794 🔗

Then they always were.

346164 ▶▶ danny, replying to albert hall, 1, #1473 of 1794 🔗

On what possible grounds? Allowed out for exercise, for work if can’t do it from home, for shopping, even to meet one person. A bench is expressly there to sit and rest a while.

346170 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to albert hall, 3, #1474 of 1794 🔗

I will listen to NWA in solidarity

346347 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to albert hall, #1475 of 1794 🔗

Does the law prohibit resting on benches?

346124 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 8, #1476 of 1794 🔗

I see Gates is now starting to buy up cheaper assets – he is putting a small part of his cash into Private Jets now the airline industry is on its knees and being reshaped by his funded teams of health reporters. Gates is good at business. Very good. His is just bad for all of us and our health.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-9127297/Bill-Gates-throws-weight-bid-Signature-Aviation.html

PS – Conflict with his climate change supposed ethics?

346145 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), replying to theanalyst, 4, #1477 of 1794 🔗

His book on climate change is due for release shortly.

A 2019 study by Lund University in Sweden found that Gates had the biggest carbon footprint of a group of 10 celebrities known to frequent private jets.

Researchers estimated that he took a whopping 59 private jet flights in 2017, travelling 343,000 km and producing a staggering 1,600 tonnes of carbon dioxide.

By comparison, the average person produces around 10 tonnes of carbon dioxide each year.

346307 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), 1, #1478 of 1794 🔗

Telling stats indeed.

To be fair, he didn’t always use his own.
Often cadged a lift with that guy that owned that island.

346147 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to theanalyst, 11, #1479 of 1794 🔗

There will be a lot of distressed assets going cheap this year.This is a massive transfer of wealth from the working and middle classes to the super rich.
As for climate change that was always about control not the planet.

346149 ▶▶ Janette, replying to theanalyst, #1480 of 1794 🔗

Definitely

346157 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1481 of 1794 🔗

But isn’t he doing God’s work? Besides now that the Lolita Express has been sold, and Jeffrey has departed, what’s a man supposed to do?

Bill Gates REFUSES to reveal why he flew on Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein after prison release | Daily Mail Online

346162 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #1482 of 1794 🔗

We all know what Bill was doing on the Lolita Express, except the Daily Mail, it seems.

346168 ▶▶ mj, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1483 of 1794 🔗

no – he’ll convert them to run on mains electricity

346226 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1484 of 1794 🔗

Gates does know business. He is also brutally ruthless. An interview with Paul Allen I recall, saw him accusing Gates of using bullying tactics to attempt to force him out of Microsoft, when he (Allen) was struggling with cancer.

346126 davews, replying to davews, 40, #1485 of 1794 🔗

When I woke up this morning the five minutes of R4 news with its forecasts of stricter lockdowns and police enforcement, threat of horrible picture advert camapaigns, all in good old BBC style, it was a bad start to the day. But having had my (hush) two walks around and a short drive in the car to keep its battery in shape, and seeing lots of people out enjoying themselves, I actually began to feel a lot better. Just goes to show that the best thing is to switch off from the sensational media and get on with life as if nothing was different.

346146 ▶▶ Janette, replying to davews, 1, #1486 of 1794 🔗

Agreed

346153 ▶▶ cambridgenative, replying to davews, 2, #1487 of 1794 🔗

Perhaps this….

346344 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to davews, 1, #1488 of 1794 🔗

I can’t believe you start the day with R4 news. For goodness sake, get a life!

346138 Nobody2021, 13, #1489 of 1794 🔗

It’s starts with suggestion, softly at first but slowly builds up over time. Eventually the suggestions become shouting and anger leads to striking. It’s their fault, if only they’d do as they’re told. It rarely ends well.

I am of course describing child abuse.

346155 captainbeefheart, 4, #1490 of 1794 🔗

I wonder how many people who were in this crowd are doing what they are told now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8de2W3rtZsA

346156 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 5, #1491 of 1794 🔗

I had a horrible vivid dream that I was run over by an ambulance. When I awoke, I decided that is how it feels having life put on hold to supposedly protect the NHS.

346298 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #1492 of 1794 🔗

I expect you tested positive.

346163 Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), 2, #1493 of 1794 🔗

First signs of debt forgiveness creeping in?

Biden Wants To Cancel Student Loans, But This Must Happen First

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2021/01/09/biden-wants-to-cancel-student-loans-but-this-must-happen-first/

346201 ▶▶ New name old face, replying to Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), #1494 of 1794 🔗

Sounds plausible.

346219 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), #1495 of 1794 🔗

Biden’s only real policy thought revolves around ‘free shit for Democrat votes’. Hence the speculation regarding adding DC and even possibly a Central American country (or two) to the Union; cash for student loans; open borders & cash for migrants….repeat infinitum…

346166 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 24, #1496 of 1794 🔗

It almost seems they wanted disaster as they openly said suppressing the virus in summer would bring it back with a vengeance in winter. The population is most likely sicker than in a long time after being subjected to months of severe stress, fear and isolation. Being inside depletes vitamin D levels. Everything they do is a sure recipe for damaging people’s immune system. They have been trying to kill the sick and disabled for years with austerity and no one would listen. This seems like another attempt to dispose of the vulnerable.

346184 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 8, #1497 of 1794 🔗

I doubt they have thought it through that far. More likely they are lurching from one panicky reaction to the next and the law of unintended consequences asserts itself, creating a situation which is ripe for exploitation.
The old adage was “The Left never sleeps”, but the Left were just the betes noires du jour . The same can be said of any zealots.

346198 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #1498 of 1794 🔗

At one level they seem to think about a month ahead – “Will the NHS be overwhelmed in the next few weeks?” If there is any long-term thinking, it doesn’t seem to be aimed at managing the alleged pandemic, but at more sinister ends of implementing mass control of the population.

346205 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Edward, #1499 of 1794 🔗

I doubt if they think beyond the next news cycle.

346208 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to thinkaboutit, #1500 of 1794 🔗

Which is about a week, allowing for Sunday newspapers etc.

346231 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #1501 of 1794 🔗

They have thought it through. There has been an increase of suffocating policies since last March. Even under the guise of relaxing everything a bit they brought in mandatory mask wearing.

346185 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 21, #1502 of 1794 🔗

In my opinion the all measures – lockdown, distancing, masks and sanitiser – have been specifically formulated to weaken the human body and mind in every conceivable way.

It is clear to me that our rulers harbour a deep-seated hatred of us more profound than I could have imagined. They utterly despise us, even to the extent that they cannot bear to see our faces (especially if we are expressing joy). No wonder they have ordered us to cover our faces with a gimp mask whenever in public.

Make no mistake, I think they want the majority of us dead. It really is that bad.

346191 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Richard O, 11, #1503 of 1794 🔗

Which is why we are fighting the bastards and won’t stop. Some of the comments here today seem to indicate that patience, or at least compliance, is wearing thin; as time goes on, it’s hard to see that this would not increase. Steady the Buffs and keep loading.

346195 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hieronimusb, 8, #1504 of 1794 🔗

Damn right, the harder they push, the stiffer becomes my resolve to resist. No doubt in my mind that this is a war for the future of humanity itself.

346204 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Richard O, 3, #1505 of 1794 🔗

Namaste.

346244 ▶▶▶▶▶ Howie59, replying to Richard O, 7, #1506 of 1794 🔗

I have to agree. I have never entertained the incompetence argument that is often voiced by others in the comment thread. There are many with an intellect far greater than my own who are invested in the narrative and are pulling the strings here.

If I could see the disastrous consequences of lockdown even before it was enforced upon us, so could they. They just choose to ignore it. The question therefore is whether their ignorance of the far more painful cost of this experiment on the population is willful or not. In my opinion it is and they are indeed at war with us.

346214 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Richard O, 6, #1507 of 1794 🔗

I fear they see ordinary people as completely expendable. Their policies suit their cronies who grow rich on them, buth Heaven help the poor souls in small flats in the city. Little wonder millions are mentally ill.

346292 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Richard O, 2, #1508 of 1794 🔗

The funding to Imperial by Gates and by Wellcome supports your view.

As does the article here:-

“Developers of Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine Tied to UK Eugenics Movement”
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/12/investigative-series/developers-of-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-tied-to-uk-eugenics-movement/

346213 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #1509 of 1794 🔗

It wasn’t entirely clear at first if the virus was seasonal, though it seemed likely as it’s a characteristic of other coronaviruses. The occasional outbreaks in cold storage facilities also strongly suggested it would be seasonal, long before winter actually arrived.

346253 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #1510 of 1794 🔗

And yet despite all their science and knowledge they still weren’t prepared for the winter respiratory virus season.

346169 Steeve, 21, #1511 of 1794 🔗

We will normalise the beaches
We will take risks on the snow slopes
We will have fun in the park
We will climb the hills
We will never surrender our humanity.

346181 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 23, #1512 of 1794 🔗

Everything they do is stupid and makes things worse. Trying to stop a virus is like trying to hold the tide back. The dam will burst eventually.The November lockdown ensured shops would be more crowded at Christmas, banning meeting save for one day would lead to more people maybe crammed in a small flat. Obviously,they are too stupid to just have a few simple guidelines that actually help.

346224 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #1513 of 1794 🔗

They may be stupid, but not in respect of their ‘regulations’ because those are deliberate and were always designed to crush human spirit. Why do you think they have behaviour psychologists on SAGE?

346239 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #1514 of 1794 🔗

All this talk of getting old
It’s getting me down my love
Like a cat in a bag, waiting to drown
This time I’m coming down

[Chorus]
Now the drugs masks don’t work
They just make you worse
But I know I’ll see your face again

346183 Andy C, replying to Andy C, 26, #1515 of 1794 🔗

I’m being overcome by an urge to have a reason to get out of bed in the morning again. I wish I could say there was more to life than this. My days now consist of shuffling across the room to my computer with occasional adventures to the kitchen and bathroom. I feel lower than an earthworm’s arse.

346188 ▶▶ gina, replying to Andy C, 7, #1516 of 1794 🔗

Bless ya! Keep your head up. All things change…

346194 ▶▶ nootnoot, replying to Andy C, 6, #1517 of 1794 🔗

If it’s any help try and look into new hobbies which you never found time for before. For me this was researching my family tree and brewing. Both keeping me busy since March.

346265 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to nootnoot, 2, #1518 of 1794 🔗

You get to a point with the genealogy where you need to look at paper records though… in this crazy new world I imagine you can’t go to the town hall to browse 😱 anything could happen! ☠️

346197 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Andy C, 8, #1519 of 1794 🔗

It gets you like that, been feeling the same way at times and losing track of time. Fresh air, doing something different, a good lo