2021-01-10

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346522 Elisabeth, replying to Elisabeth, 10, #1 of 1728 🔗

First 😃

346679 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Elisabeth, 7, #2 of 1728 🔗

Give us some tips please. Stay up late/rise early -have two screens and keep on pressing refresh?

346746 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to arfurmo, 7, #3 of 1728 🔗

The prizes for podium places are enormous!

346779 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to arfurmo, 10, #4 of 1728 🔗

A bit like trying to get a delivery slot these days at a supermarket.

347471 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to arfurmo, 5, #5 of 1728 🔗

I’ve only managed once. And it’s a tie with norfolksceptic. Stay up late and live on the other side of the pond…

347545 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to arfurmo, 2, #6 of 1728 🔗

I managed it 3 times I think but it was at weekends when new page came online late morning UK time. I just kept refreshing page every 5 or 10 mins and then immediately went to comments and posted when it updated to new day.

346755 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Elisabeth, 5, #7 of 1728 🔗

Such a waste of a first post, instead of posting something meaningful that will help our cause.

346795 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Andrew K, 22, #8 of 1728 🔗

Don’t be a misery. People are having fun. That’s a good thing.

You are free to scroll down to more worthy contributions, such as mine, if you wish.

346878 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ovis, 7, #9 of 1728 🔗

Fair enough, but I thought fun was banned, it’s in the new regs.

346923 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 2, #10 of 1728 🔗

Is that your idea of fun? Oh well, it takes all sorts.

347012 ▶▶▶ Steve Foster, replying to Andrew K, 8, #11 of 1728 🔗

There’s no shortage of space, Andrew. And there’s always room for a smile, surely?

347466 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrew K, 6, #12 of 1728 🔗

Do lighten up. There will be plenty of doom and gloom to keep you happy.

346523 norfolksceptic, replying to norfolksceptic, 1, #13 of 1728 🔗

First for the first time !

346524 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to norfolksceptic, 2, #14 of 1728 🔗

Ahhh you must have hit „post“ right before me!

346536 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Elisabeth, 4, #15 of 1728 🔗

Line up at the start, please. One, two, three …

346636 ▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to Elisabeth, 5, #16 of 1728 🔗

Looks like you won ! Must have been one of the closest in LS history !!

346751 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to norfolksceptic, 7, #17 of 1728 🔗

I read LS just to read who won!

346614 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to norfolksceptic, 5, #18 of 1728 🔗

The Dominion voting machine has adjudicated in your favour

346525 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 226, #19 of 1728 🔗

In the U.K., eight centuries of liberties are eviscerated in nine months. Numbskull police in surgical masks and fat suits enforce bans on people looking at hills and spending time together at home. And the people, trained over decades to respond to childish mantras like Pavlov’s dogs – let us not forget that before “Hands, Face, Space” the great terror was terrorism and the mantra in London was “See it, Say it, Sorted” – cheer this on.

In Germany, the state reasserts the kind of coercive power it hasn’t had since 1989 in the east and 1945 in the west. And the people say “More, please! Much more! Harsher! There was laughing and dancing through the wall last night! Too many voices! I think they are harbouring illegals in a secret room! The immigrants are the worst!”

In France, the mob is silenced by the autocratic elite operating out of the great palaces of Paris. Liberty is abolished. Equality never existed. Fraternity for initiates only. Do you hear the people sing? Oh, yes. Waving their meaningless tricolour, they sing the music of a people who enslave themselves again.

In the United States, the 1776 rebellion against absentee colonial rule and unfair taxation is finally put down in 2021 by unaccountable absentees holding court around their pools somewhere in California, richly funded from the abundant revenues (in the form of untaxed profits) donated to them by the simple, good, honest riff-raff who cheer them on.

In Australia, it is finally established that speaking out, and speaking plainly in defence of one’s rights and opinions, is un-Australian, whereas true Australianism is going up to someone you disagree with and saying, “Just wear a fucking mask.”

I first became dimly aware of what was happening the last time I accidentally glimpsed Question Time. There was a row between Clive Lewis and James Cleverly. The audience was loudly taking sides – excuse me, I mean of course taking a side – and it was all quite heated. But as I watched Lewis in particular, I realized that he didn’t mean anything he said. It was all theatre. It was like watching wrestling on World of Sport with my Great-Aunt Muriel when I was a child. Every weighted word, every exaggerated facial expression, every flouncy overreaction, was choreographed in advance and meant nothing.

Politics has become mere performance. Hollowed of all meaning. And into this vacuum of action and conviction, true wickedness has flooded. Provided that the performance is sustained, and the proper emotional signals are given, anything can be achieved. So the left cheer on the impoverishment of the new underclass and the triumph of the turbocapitalist elite. Conservatives glisten with crocodile tears as they corral people into their own homes to be disempowered, depressed, abused and hooked up to state and big-tech life support and monitoring systems. Liberal Democrats… do what, exactly? (To be fair, their only possible position in all this would be strident lockdown scepticism, so it’s no surprise they’re saying nothing.)

Ironic that the arch-performer-politician has become the most notable victim of these processes so far. Not that he was ever what he pretended to be, or this would not have happened. I shed no tears for him. The world needed a Caesar Augustus of unflinching genius and ruthlessness and it got a preposterous Elagabalus riding into town astride a giant phallus and calling himself a god.

Not that it was really like that, of course. Elagabalus was assassinated, and when a Roman Emperor was assassinated, his successor quickly changed history and blackened his name to justify it. You can’t do that today, we used to say. Not with the internet, the vast democratic deluge of information. Yes, we used to say a lot of things. “That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it.” “You’ve got to have the courage of your convictions.” “It’s a free country.”

Darkness falls all around us. But we must be alert for the moment when it becomes possible, by a sudden and gigantic effort, to turn the tide. That moment will come. We must not miss it.

346527 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #20 of 1728 🔗

Duting my teenage historic novelist Alfred Duggan introduced me to some very strange real life characters including Elagabalus/Heliogabalus, not as good as Mary Renault at exploring the character flaws of leaders but but getting there.

346531 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 6, #21 of 1728 🔗

Family Favourites . Duggan’s irreverent style was a shock to me when I first met it, but his insights are sometimes brilliant.
I know of no piece of writing that interprets the crusader’s mentality better than Count Bohemond . And Lord Geoffrey’s Fancy is a fascinating insight into a corner of medieval history that is virtually unexplored in this country.

346534 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 1, #22 of 1728 🔗

I started with King Alfred but read them all Annie.

346535 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #23 of 1728 🔗

Alfred as you’ve never known him before, and no stone statue or plaster saint!
The only contemporary writer who might, perhaps, compare is Lindsey Davies. A spicy guide to the seamy side of Roman life.

346891 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Annie, 2, #24 of 1728 🔗

Knight with Armour was my introduction to Duggan – imo one of our best historical fiction writers.

346528 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 99, #25 of 1728 🔗

Brilliant and we know, and they know ,that Lockdowns Kill. The carnage being inflicted on the poor, the young and the self employed and many others will manifest in years to come, as the now inconvenient deaths and morbidities take their toll and reveal the true extent of the damage done.

Style superseded political substance and true conviction with the advent of Blair and ‘Cool Brittania’ ; since then, the few decent MPs with integrity and moral courage have largely departed: Kate Hoey, Frank Field, Gisella Stewart.

Now we have a few brave stalwarts: Sir Desmond Swaye, Esther McVey, Sir Graham Brady.

Meanwhile up here, we’re in the grip of a cult, a Covidictatorship, run by The Sturgeonator and her cohorts.

Careful PR and grooming, slavish support by the MSM, confected emoting and She Who Must Be Obeyed goes from strength to strength, as Scotland’s already lacklustre economy goes into free fall and its poll position in the European drug related morbidity list, extends its lead.

So, well paid, securely placed, affluent movers and shakers now point the self righteous finger at the growing numbers of citizens who are starting to protest at the ruination of their lives, prospects, livelihoods and opportunities.

Having inflicted maximum damage on our social, psychological, economic, physical and political well being, they now resort to the frankly ugly strategy of blaming the victims who resist as their lives are destroyed, with no end in sight.

My cynical view is that all this amounts to a deliberate political choice, masquerading as an unavoidable necessity.

Big tech extends its grip, manipulating and repressing informed dissent and perceived heresy, changing the cancellation rules at warp speed.

How do we stop this?

346533 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to wendyk, 47, #26 of 1728 🔗

We stop it by not caving in. It’s a case of who blinks first. It won’t be us.

346714 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to wendyk, 12, #27 of 1728 🔗

But ironically the dissent is growing so as a method for suppressing it it’s really not working!

347115 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to wendyk, 11, #28 of 1728 🔗

Your “cynical view” is reality. All the death, destruction and hardship is part of the plan.

I wish I had an infallible plan to end the tyranny. The only (very minor) successes I have had in making people think and possibly question the narrative have been with the stickers on my car and leaflets. But you never really know the real magnitude of the effect these actions have.

347145 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to PastImperfect, 15, #29 of 1728 🔗

I’ve tried but now I’m going to tell the faithful about this:

https://www.victimsoflockdown.com/your-stories-1

I hope it will penetrate the wall of obedience.

346530 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 44, #30 of 1728 🔗

NN, while there are people like you about, darkness cannot fall.
I know it’s an awful cliché to say that no amount of darkness can quench the light if one small candle, but like most clichés, it’s a cliché because it’s true.
Light more candles, friends!

346559 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Annie, 20, #31 of 1728 🔗

I was so downhearted the other day, how do we move on from this? You are so right Annie, fighting the good fight, lighting the candles, as you say. Didn’t the Resistance do this during WW2? You are all so learned. Let’s light a candle in a window (please don’t burn the house down, we have a terrible insurance ad here), a silent demonstration of unity and help if needed.

346556 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 34, #32 of 1728 🔗

Well said. It feels a lot like a new Dark Age is descending upon us. Hopefully more folk will wake before it gets that bad.

346608 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #33 of 1728 🔗

Hear, hear!!!!And welcome back.

346654 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 51, #34 of 1728 🔗

Superb and chilling summary. I don’t think, in their wildest dreams, the CCP imagined it would play out this well. They underestimated the hubris of the politicians of “the west”. We must organise well. We must dismantle the “asymptomatic” myth. That is what this is ALL based on. I saw memes from the covid cult side recently and they are astonishing. One said, “Karen has coronavirus. Karen refuses a test. Karen is infectious for 14 days with no symptoms. Karen infects 10 people a day. 140 infected people do the same thing.” This is HIV/AIDS propaganda/paranoia ramped up by 1000%. We HAVE to dismantle the bullshit this is all based on ASAP.

346668 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 37, #35 of 1728 🔗

On the other hand, if that’s true, the whole country will be immune to covid in about two months and the virus will drop off the charts. It is going to be interesting in any case to see what happens to the positive test result and infection figures over the coming weeks. Hysteria may be capable of sustaining the present bubble of madness, but biology is not.

346957 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #36 of 1728 🔗

No problem with the herd getting immunity, just release another strain.

347059 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 18, #37 of 1728 🔗

With tests that pick up fragments of any Coronavirus strain, and people’s immune systems trashed by all the sanitising and mask wearing and home staying… they will use the general ill health of the population and these bullshit tests to create a “covid pandemic” for the next 100 years. People apparently don’t die of anything but “covid” now. Even cancer deaths. If they had a “positive test” they will be classified as a “covid death”. We can’t win. I just despair.

347481 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #38 of 1728 🔗

You are not allowed to despair!

346743 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #39 of 1728 🔗

If Karen is a sceptic she won’t be wanting to come into contact with 10 people a day, as she will be actively avoiding the rest of the world, so she can’t possibly have ‘it’ anyway

346978 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #40 of 1728 🔗

Huh?

The CCP perceived the hysteric, hypochondriac nature of Western societies perfectly and have capitalized upon it brilliantly.

347064 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to awildgoose, 8, #41 of 1728 🔗

Yes… I’m suggesting that it’s played out even better than they’d hoped for!

347764 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #42 of 1728 🔗

If asymptomatic spread was a real thing the entire world would have been infected by mid April at the latest. 2 people spread to two people spread to 4 people… to 8…16..

346686 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 16, #43 of 1728 🔗

Good morning everyone.

An excellent post, NN, thank you.

We are the resistance. We will never give up.

346753 ▶▶ Sarah N, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #44 of 1728 🔗

Wow – great post!

346803 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #45 of 1728 🔗

Brilliant, Nomad,

We really are glad to have you back here.

By the way, I have a book that I would like to send you (e-form) for your perusal. If you are interested, I think there is a way to make contact over at the Forum (though I have not used this before).

347424 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #46 of 1728 🔗

Thank you. I would like to read the book but I have no idea how to use the forum to make contact. Any advice would be welcome!

346813 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #47 of 1728 🔗

Brilliant writing M8 – I’ve copied it for all my grandkids

346839 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 34, #48 of 1728 🔗

Brilliant as usual NN. I think the thing that really gets me wanting to dig out my torch and pitchfork the most is this. In march as the fantastic piece above the line by the Lt Col states, we panicked, threw away all we knew about pandemics and just made shit up. We made horrendous mistakes with the people most at risk, and caused a lot of pain and death. All to “Save” the nhs. The Pig Dictator and Handjob floundered around flubbing and making up idiotic slogans to put the vast majority of healthy people under house arrest. Backed up by idiotic law enforcement and msm death figures. Supposedly scientific advisors stopped advising and became our cheerleaders for the new way of life and best of all killed our economy. But wait I hear you say, this was all new and the greatest threat to mankind since the black death. Okay let’s ignore that for one second and ask this. What did we learn in March? What lessons learned can we take into winter. Let’s look at the scientific evidence. Who died? Most over 80’s with comorbidities, did lockdown save lives? What shortages happened in the nhs and how do we stop this. What caused all the deaths at home? Why did we stop critical treatment, how do we maintain this and isolate cover patients? Was the policing too heavy handed?
Good meeting everybody can you do the minutes matt. But now we get to December and January. You know, death months. And what do we do? Exactly the same fucking thing. You have learnt nothing, you continue to listen to morons that got it totally wrong last time. You take the genius decision to remove capacity from the nhs beds for some unknown unscientific reason caused by some twat health and safety mong with a tape measure. You get back to arresting and handcuffing women walking over the park because they sat down! But now we have the new genius of old people waiting 3 hours in a queue in the fucking freezing cold outside the centre waiting for their jab. Where do you normally get your flu jab? Oh at Boots they have it sussed, yes let’s not use them, let’s use the huge leasure centre give everyone the same time get some people with two a levels and make them queue. Then boast about our world beating vaccination strategy. In years to come if you look up the word cunt in a dictionary there will be no definition, only a picture of the Fat Pig Dictator. Sorry for the cussing, feeling really low today.

347028 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Spikedee1, 12, #49 of 1728 🔗

Cuss away.,It can help.

347213 ▶▶ zubin, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #50 of 1728 🔗

Wow

347528 ▶▶ dhid, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #51 of 1728 🔗

Superbly expressed!

347563 ▶▶ WilliamC, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #52 of 1728 🔗

One of the best posts I have ever read here – thank you.

346529 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 63, #53 of 1728 🔗

Lockdown Three, Week One.

One week into lockdown .1 I was driving around a deserted city perhaps seeing another vehicle every few minutes or so.
In the local shopping precinct of 25-30 retail outlets only the Co-Op and Mcolls were open. The 4 or 5 cars in the car park looked strangely guilty.

Yesterday from 10am onwards that same car park was rammed with cars queuing on the highway to get in as usual. Virtually all the premises were open except for the pub, a cafe and the hairdressers. Everywhere else had either self identified as essential or been officially designated thus I know not.

Likewise the Sainsbury car park was full but there was no evidence of shoppers queuing to get inside.

An outlying village Surgery has been designated a Vaccine Station, there were two Police Officers controlling access to it behind traffic cones across the Public Highway close in which the surgery is situated.
There was a fair amount of vehicle and pedestrian movement but some of that would have been to do with Tesco Metro just over the road.

This ain’t no lockdown bozo & chums.

346540 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to karenovirus, 10, #54 of 1728 🔗

DELUSIONAL ARROGANCE: Lot worse than Covid.

346554 ▶▶ danny, replying to karenovirus, 29, #55 of 1728 🔗

I was thinking the same. The media reports (largely negative) of police overreach are terrible, but I don’t see anything like that here. Everywhere busy. Families. Couples. A few police wandering around. No contact with the public at all.

346600 ▶▶▶ itommo, replying to danny, 21, #56 of 1728 🔗

Policing by Social Media. You only need one or two Police over-reaches to go viral ‘pour encourager les autres’. Of course, the apology / inquiry will follow.. but the message is out there: Go for a walk and you’ll get nicked.

347459 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to itommo, 5, #57 of 1728 🔗

Some of these stories may well be true, but some may be propaganda.

When the mask mandate in shops had been going for a couple of weeks or so, a report appeared on the local online journal of an unnamed young woman being fined by police for shopping without a mask. This happened in an unnamed shop and on an unspecified date. We were told that the police officers then followed the young woman into another unnamed shop, where again she was found without a mask and so another fine was issued.

There were no reports from anyone who witnessed these events and nothing else ever surfaced, in the local or social media. The story has all the hallmarks of being a fictional event planted for propaganda purposes and likely emanated from the local branch of the plod.

347670 ▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Rowan, 2, #58 of 1728 🔗

That sounds about correct, the same with the street on ITV all clapping on Thursday when we all know it was silent everywhere. People are now waking up to the bullshit.

346557 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 19, #59 of 1728 🔗

They’ve fallen into the old trap of believing their own propaganda, hence the sudden panic. Don’t worry, Bozo, Steiner will retrieve the situation.

346621 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to karenovirus, 26, #60 of 1728 🔗

The total arbitrary absurdity of food shops and workplaces open while cafes and pubs and gyms shut. Arbitrariness seems to be deliberate.

346745 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 16, #61 of 1728 🔗

Yes – I think you are right: it is a form of mental torture to wear people down.

347150 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 15, #62 of 1728 🔗

The aim is to kill all small, independent businesses.

347476 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PastImperfect, 8, #63 of 1728 🔗

The slightly longer term aim is to kill nearly all of us.

346874 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 35, #64 of 1728 🔗

My park across the road to me has become a boggy mess as they allowed the football to carry on. So fed up with having to wash our dog down after every walk we decided to drive the 10 miles to Sunny, freezing cold, Southend on sea to walk along the promenade where it is paved. Greeted with huge stay at home light displays. Parked up and….. car parking suspended due to covid. All along the seafront, all the car parks are closed. But 100 yards away the car park for the westcliffe theatre is open, so are the shopping mall car parks. So we just parked there. Lovely walk along the front, quite a few walkers. No masks, stop and chat to fellow doggy walkers, all wanting to know where we got our cocker spaniels walking coat. No social distancing. So I can park up to go shop in sainsbury with people coughing and spluttering all over the food and in the queue with their ineffective masks. But I can’t walk in the fresh air to get some exercise. And you wonder why you have an obesity problem.

346532 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 10, #65 of 1728 🔗

From the main text
A retired GP asks why it is do difficult to become a volunteer vaccinater

Qualified Doctor Liam Fox MP asked bozo the same question in Parliament.

346543 ▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 18, #66 of 1728 🔗

A friend of ours has a son who is in his second year of medicine at university. He and his entire cohort have been drafted in to administer the jab.
I am not joking.

346553 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 17, #67 of 1728 🔗

So they will have completed courses on conflict resolution and diversity awareness?

346573 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 12, #68 of 1728 🔗

On Zoom.

346537 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 29, #69 of 1728 🔗

I see that we are anti lockdown “mobs” now, according to the MSM.

346539 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 26, #70 of 1728 🔗

I’ve always wanted to be a one-woman mob. Yay.

346638 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 21, #71 of 1728 🔗

We shall be ‘domestic terrorists’ soon which will be a lot more exciting.

346662 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #72 of 1728 🔗

I have the hair and beard

347095 ▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Ovis, 2, #73 of 1728 🔗

As do I!

347587 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Ovis, #74 of 1728 🔗

I could have the beard, but the only way I could have the hair, would be if the beard was long enough to comb up over my face onto my head.
Might take a while.

346558 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #75 of 1728 🔗

If only we were :o))

346770 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #76 of 1728 🔗

2021: Year of the Mob

347068 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #77 of 1728 🔗

The MSM elite have called me so many things over the last few years. There was a whole list of insults for me wanting to leave the EU (and I’m being held responsible for this government’s mishandling of leaving the EU), and the same people who wanted to stay in the EU now call us a “Covidiot Mob.”

Something I pointed out the other day is that Remainers – particularly the BBC brand – used to attack the elderly population as a whole, accusing them of ruining their future. Now the hypocrite swines use their faux concerns for the elderly to lock us all down.

347676 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to J4mes, 2, #78 of 1728 🔗

And even then they treat the elderly like shit, not letting them see relatives etc.

347951 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 3, #79 of 1728 🔗

Indeed they do treat them like shit. My neighbour across the road told me today that just prior to Christmas, his mother had a fall. Against her wishes, the paramedic insisted she was to be taken to hospital. She was admitted to a Covid ward, caught the virus and died. The hospital staff would not allow her sons to visit; she never saw them again.

346538 Annie, replying to Annie, 34, #80 of 1728 🔗

Oh my, my poor, credulous friend is still trying to trust The Message, but even she is at least becoming aware of absurdity.

“My letter from the N.H.S. came today to say I was eligible for a jab now.
I got onto the web site where we were told we had to book an appointment and the only venues given to me for a jab were  a) Birmingham  b) Epsom Race Course  c) Stevenage   d) The Docks, London.”

My friend is 85, can only walk a little way, and lives not far from Cambridge. She bas no transport.

346547 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Annie, 39, #81 of 1728 🔗

It did sound a little incongruous when they announced on the news that all over 80s were going to get a letter offering them a jab at a vaccination centre within 45 mins drive of where they live. So that is loads of over 80s driving around for 90 mins in total in the January weather conditions! What could possibly go wrong?

346561 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #82 of 1728 🔗

A literal car crash policy;one amongst many.

346569 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 5, #83 of 1728 🔗

Surely not so far to hitch from Cambridge to Stevenage ?

346572 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 6, #84 of 1728 🔗

If you can hitch in a bubble.

346783 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Annie, 6, #85 of 1728 🔗

Sounds like your friend has had a lucky escape.

347414 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Annie, 4, #86 of 1728 🔗

I also received a letter from the NHS yesterday but didn’t open it and returned it with the addressee no longer at this address ticked. I think it was probably about the flu vaccine rather than the Covid one as I’m 60 and not in a vulnerable group. I’ve never had the flu vaccine either and just want to stay under the radar even if this means I’m not registered with a GP for a while.

347602 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to fiery, 1, #87 of 1728 🔗

I found that letter (with name and address blacked out) helped to cover up some of the bottles in the recycle bin…with other stupid brochures and…still rattled rather embarrassingly!

346541 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 86, #88 of 1728 🔗

The Antarctic research stations had for many decades shown the value of isolation as a means of preventing the transmission of viral respiratory illnesses. A small group of individuals are isolated until months later there arrives new personnel and supplies. When this happens, the station personnel are susceptible to colds for a period of ten to fourteen days. Then they are untroubled by colds, until the next arrival of new personnel and supplies. This is the usual pattern. However, it has happened that even after months of isolation the group can contract colds. One such outbreak was studied in depth, and the conclusion was the cause was unknown. The study is worth reading https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/pdf/jhyg00082-0026.pdf

The obvious way the above study is relevant is in relation to the government’s commitment to the use of non-pharmaceutical interventions to control the virus, specifically its commitment to minimise social contact: stay at home, social distancing, face masks, shut downs, etc.

These interventions can never come anywhere near the complete isolation that occurs in the Antarctic research stations. No matter how draconian the measures a government introduced, there would still be millions of social contacts every day. These contacts would inevitably provide a virus (any virus) with a far more conducive environment for replication and disease causation than an isolated Antarctic research station. In other words we have had many decades of real world experience of the potential of lockdowns to prevent viral transmission, and that experience shows it does not work even in the most strict possible incarnation.

Lockdowns do not and can stop a virus. But the harms of lockdowns are obvious for all to see – which is probably why the government explicitly introduces each iteration of lockdown without any impact assessment. The lockdown policies cannot prevent transmission of the virus, but they certainly can and do kill people.

346705 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #89 of 1728 🔗

Excellent. Will be stealing that for my local rep

347502 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #90 of 1728 🔗

“Colds” are not always caused by a virus but can be the body’s way of cleansing itself through all the mucous discharge.

347611 ▶▶▶ number 6, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #91 of 1728 🔗

A nice hot curry pot noodle, after a spell in the garden during this cold snap, also helps no end! Plenty of ‘discharge’, then warm up with a hot toddy!

347780 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to number 6, 2, #92 of 1728 🔗

Curries are great if you have a cold. Plus chicken noodle soup or even Wonton noodle soup.

346542 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 81, #93 of 1728 🔗

I was particularly interested in the item in today’s LS news about Ivermectin. I find it horrendous that the Junta and the Health tyrants turned their backs on possible treatment options and pumped all that money into Test, Trace and Vaccinate. Many, including myself, have, over the months, called for more money and research into treatments but they did not listen. They were hell bent on the total control solution. So now we have a lot of sick people putting pressure on hospitals when, in my view, it is quite likely that many of those people could have been treated and discharged more quickly if we had done much more to develop effective treatment regimes and if we had rolled out effective advice on vitamin D, getting out in the sunshine etc. etc.
The health tyrants say the public has blood on its hands for not following the rules, I rather think they have blood on their hands for not being open to the development of treatments and preventative measure.

346562 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Steve Martindale, 53, #94 of 1728 🔗

One would think they actually don’t want people to get better. The goal is the vaccine. And it isn’t a vaccine at all, there is no evidence that it stops one catching or transmitting any virus. I am reading that it’s a form of gene therapy which may be very dangerous for a lot of people. But if they openly admitted this they would have to look at other treatments including simple things like Vitamin C and d3 etc and that doesn’t fit the agenda and makes no one any money.

346578 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Suzyv, 23, #95 of 1728 🔗

Absolutely, the drugs and supplements known to help are all very cheap and off patent. No profit for the major drug companies. Though there is no reason AZ etc couldn’t start manufacturing them if they wanted to.

346628 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Suzyv, 21, #96 of 1728 🔗

Of course it is all about the vaccine. I still want to know how much stands to be made by the individual, that persuaded the government several times that an exaggerated number of people would die unless we rushed out and mass vaccinated the entire population, while leading the UK modelling team for vaccination distribution funded by a very rich American couple.

347389 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #97 of 1728 🔗

The amount made by Bill Gates, who has a large stake in all the vaccines so far approved, will be vast. Remember too, that Bill is a very generous funder of Imperial College. No doubt, Imperial are well aware that what’s good for Bill’s creepy vaccine agenda, is also likely to be very good for Imperial.

347625 ▶▶▶ number 6, replying to Suzyv, 3, #98 of 1728 🔗

Obviously they coulnn’t care ‘A Monkey’s” about our health.

347807 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to number 6, 4, #99 of 1728 🔗

To paraphrase what someone said on off-Guardian, it’s an infantile notion, to think that they actually care about us.

346645 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #100 of 1728 🔗

Important typo in the item: (e.g. 0.2mg/kg orally, equivalent to a 12mg tablet for a 6kg adult ).

60kg obviously

Not many 6kg adults, or even 60kg nowadays.

347506 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #101 of 1728 🔗

There are some lightweights in the Cabinet.

347606 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #102 of 1728 🔗

I think Bozzo ate parts of them…..

347814 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #103 of 1728 🔗

There’s also a heavyweight, we could well do without.

346706 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 51, #104 of 1728 🔗

As I said here yesterday if this was genuinely about health, the government would have been shouting from the rooftops the following:

  1. eat sensibly and healthily
  2. go out – exercise, take care of your mental health
  3. take Vitamin D
  4. “Catch it, bin it, kill it”

The cynic in me thinks that this is because all the above are free or require little money so far better to scare the populace, make them ill or compromise their immune systems via lockdowns, social distancing and masks and hey presto, a captive audience for vaccine and drugs.

Whatever happened to the old adage “prevention is better than cure”?

347398 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #105 of 1728 🔗

The last thing that the oligarch depopulators and their paid off chums in government will want, is a public that is taking sensible preventative measures. Of course the best preventative measure and the cheapest will be to avoid all of the Covid-19 vaccines.

346805 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 27, #106 of 1728 🔗

There’s a big element of Pharma capture of all of this as well. No doubt the smear of HCQ early on was a hit piece by the industry as they dominated the scene with vaccines as their preferred solution. However, while HCQ is being used, there is still a lot of valid debate around its effectiveness.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194/

Ivermectin is a more obvious case
https://c19ivermectin.com/

If the drug had been approved before the vaccines, in the US at least but I’ll assume here too, any approval for Pfzier etc would have had to show that it was better than existing medicines for combating CV-19. A more rigorous approval process would have been required.

So what does that say? If 2.3% of all those getting the first dose are experiencing some kind of adverse effect, how would that stand up against Ivermectin? And what of its claims of efficacy against symptoms but no data on prevention of death from CV-19? Well, the RCTs for ivermectin are showing they do have an impact, a very substantial one.

So why are they still on the fence? While people die, where is the emergency approval for this extremely promising treatment? “We need more research” they say.

https://swprs.org/who-preliminary-review-confirms-ivermectin-effectiveness/?amp

What I will say is that again the media have absolutely awful throughout this debate. They’ve politicised HCQ so much that anyone who mentions it is some kind of MAGA right wing let it rip Nazi. They continually pump the vaccines and readily ignore treatments that can be used right now. They are playing to a set script it seems to me.

Corporate capture is rife in the UK.

347328 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #107 of 1728 🔗

A couple of months ago I read/heard that there were some 120 scientific papers testifying to the effectiveness of HCQ. Alan Jones was trying to promote HCQ and Ivermectin at that time, but of course the “health authorities” continued allowing patients to suffer.

https://americasfrontlinedoctorsummit.com/wp-content/uploads/202…
· PDF

346544 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 35, #108 of 1728 🔗

Priti Patel. The wrong person in the wrong job at the wrong time

346549 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cecil B, 32, #109 of 1728 🔗

Like most of the cabinet, especially Handoncock

346568 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mattghg, 30, #110 of 1728 🔗

The biggest problem is Gove. And I suspect/am sure that Cummings is still pulling his strings.

346762 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to TJN, 15, #111 of 1728 🔗

The snake Gove is actually an octopus, his tentacles reach a long way. Cummings has not gone a way, he is whispering in several ears. he knows the dirty secrets. I suspect snakey Gove has a lot of dirty secrets

346584 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to mattghg, 11, #112 of 1728 🔗

They are all so bad, they’ve made Truss look good.

346693 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 9, #113 of 1728 🔗

Worse than that, they’ve made Brown one of the great prime minister’s of the 21st century.

346758 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Cecil B, 9, #114 of 1728 🔗

Any time would have been the wrong time for Priti. She is high on her own self importance and below zero on competence for the job. Like Treason May a previous occupant. Absolutely nothing of any import between the ears.

347626 ▶▶ number 6, replying to Cecil B, 3, #115 of 1728 🔗

Priti Patel. The wrong person in the wrong job at the wrong time

346545 Fingerache Philip, 14, #116 of 1728 🔗

On MSM: What is “STILL ALLOWED” during lockdown not what is not allowed during lockdown!!!

346546 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 12, #117 of 1728 🔗

Deaths per day are behind births per day. Every day, every week, every month, every year.

346551 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to PatrickF, 18, #118 of 1728 🔗

I understand that was not the case with Spanish Flu nor with the Black Death when deaths out-numbered births. But so far, based on ONS data it has been true for England & Wales with this current virus hoo-haa. We have the ONS birth figures for Jan – Sept 2020 and they are ahead of the 2020 total death figures. Following a live birth you have 6 weeks to register the birth and so final 2020 birth figure will not be out for a while but all projections are that for England & Wales the ONS live birth total for 2020 will be between 10-20 thousand higher than the total death figure, despite the effect of Covid.

If you were into conspiracy theories you could almost imagine this virus had been engineered by a very cunning PR person to cause maximum disruption whilst actually doing very little damage to human populations.

346821 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #119 of 1728 🔗

Indeed. Given Fergusons doom laden predictions, you’d have to think Hancock deserves a statue on Parliament Square.

Here in Northern Ireland Robin Swann should be consultant to the world on successful lockdowns.

When people constantly start giving off about how bad our response has been, I always give them the positive. What pandemic?

347034 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #120 of 1728 🔗

Never mind a statue, just get him a gibbet.

347618 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Annie, 1, #121 of 1728 🔗

I would be most willing to assist in “attaching” him.

347682 ▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Annie, 1, #122 of 1728 🔗

Or just put him in the stocks and pelt him with used face masks full of rotten food.

347574 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Martindale, #123 of 1728 🔗

That’s why we have the vaccines.

346609 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PatrickF, 4, #124 of 1728 🔗

2 deaths from Covid on Saturday in my NHS Region of 1.8m.

346896 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 4, #125 of 1728 🔗

Have you noticed the are only giving out covid deaths and not total deaths. Can only see total deaths up to Christmas then it stops?

347208 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to PatrickF, 6, #126 of 1728 🔗

I have just read a post in a local group blaming dog groomers! It can be hilarious, though, with ‘I was in the park/Asda/wherever and it was rammed’. They can’t seem to find the double standards as they were there in the first place.

346548 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 35, #127 of 1728 🔗

It is said that the ‘vaccine’ changes the DNA of the recipient to that of Chimp DNA

For some Covidians this will be a step up the evolutionary ladder

346571 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 14, #128 of 1728 🔗

Amoeba DNA would be a step up for some of them.

346581 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Cecil B, 2, #129 of 1728 🔗

That isn’t true though.

346691 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to ituex, 6, #130 of 1728 🔗

And why would they need a vaccine to devolve the masses when Facebook, BBC, Love Island, etc have done such a great job?

346550 Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 23, #131 of 1728 🔗

Excellent, excellent update today, Jonathan. I have been really flat last few days, especially for you guys in the UK. Seriously, a ‘picnic’ walking with cups of coffee. Monty Python could not dream this stuff up. The reading today is compelling, excellent stuff.
I have something here to make you laugh, cheer you up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OpWiFygdAAE
https://youtu.be/BxX7Tv9Z8ks

Enjoy.

346904 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Girl down Under, 2, #132 of 1728 🔗

Brilliant, best bit was the last minute or so of the first one: if you have symptoms stay home and don’t mix with anyone else BUT you must go get a test and stand for four hours in a queue with a bunch of other people.

347075 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Girl down Under, 7, #133 of 1728 🔗

Excellent, excellent update today, Jonathan.

…if you overlook his promotion of the “vaccine” (for which “lockdown” is the necessary precursor) and repetition of ‘protect the NHS’ propaganda. FFS.

AG

346552 chaos, 2, #134 of 1728 🔗

Duncan Trussell Family Hour EPISODE 417 : Jason Louv
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Duncan+Trussell+Family+Hour+EPISODE+417+%3A+Jason+Louv

Stay with it.. takes a while to relate to covid…

346555 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 8, #135 of 1728 🔗

https://techround.co.uk/news/would-you-wear-a-mask-during-sex-27-of-brits-would/

And here,for your edification folks, a new take on S&M-Masks and Sex.(M&S gets a new look).

346564 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to wendyk, 3, #136 of 1728 🔗

We have got something similar on our NSW Health website, Wendy. When will they get out of our lives.

346570 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Girl down Under, 9, #137 of 1728 🔗

When we stop being stupid enough to let them in.

346574 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #138 of 1728 🔗

I keep hoping ,but they they’re still there!

347623 ▶▶ dhid, replying to wendyk, 2, #139 of 1728 🔗

I think that might be why Bozzo is so keen, he did go to Public School after all…

346563 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 44, #141 of 1728 🔗

Three questions need to be asked:

  1. Is critical care occupancy in the NHS significantly higher than previous years
  2. Has lockdown had any impact on this
  3. If lockdown has had an impact, is it morally justifiable

Firstly, the NHS stats for critical care are nearly always compared in the press based on absolute numbers year on year, whereas in reality the vast majority of occupants are over 70, which population has increased (in England and Wales) from 6.984m in 2014 to 8.037m in 2019 (2020 figures are not available). If you compare age adjusted occupancy for the winters of 2014/15 (the worst recent year), 2017/18 and 2020/21 there is very little difference (see chart) – this goes up to 3 January, the latest figures available and things have got worse since then. However, the issue is clearly one of capacity, the number of older people has increased dramatically and the critical care capacity is not fit for purpose – around 1,000 in the whole of London !

How can the government shut down schools because they themselves provide fewer hospital beds than virtually anywhere else in Europe – the children suffer because of the government’s incompetence.

Secondly, as can be seen from any number of graphs comparing UK, France and Italy with Sweden; Peru with Brazil; various US states, lockdown has had virtually no effect, unless done very early e.g. Germany, Poland, but even there it has just delayed the inevitable.

Finally and most importantly: Can anyone seriously suggest that a remedy for a disease that has killed no more than 30-40,000 people (based on excess deaths) of whom around 2,000 were under 60, is to lock up our children and stop them going to school, to curtail freedom so that we are effectively under house arrest, to shut businesses in entertainment, travel and hospitality many of which will not recover, to throw millions out of jobs, to kill 130 million (estimated) in the LEDCs – how can anyone who supports lockdown sleep at night. Surely it is an indicator of a sick society that it protects its very old and sick at the cost of the growing generations.

We live in a country ruled by a revolting government in a sick world.

346567 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Laurence, 28, #142 of 1728 🔗

As I’ve said many times previously the life expectancy of the very old, unwell, frail members of society has been weaponised to ensure public compliance by means of blatant emotional manipulation on an industrial scale: ‘don’t kill granny’, ‘granny killers’,etc..

Our consumerist approach to life expectancy,the hysterical view of death at the end of life as an intrusive outrage,egged on by mendacious politicians and their allies in the MSM, has led in no small part to this disaster,which is destroying the expectations of young people who will inherit the debts, the lack of decent jobs and the social and political fall out.

Change the strategy, improve conditions for staff and residents of nursing homes, vaccinate those in need and those who want it, and restore liberty and normality to everyone else.

Who truly wants to live on into a state of helpless dependency :

‘Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.’

347041 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to wendyk, 9, #143 of 1728 🔗

I have seen the senility wards – sorry, wings – in ‘care’ homes that were, in their way, good ones, and fiendishly expensive.
No torment in hell could be worse.

347153 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Annie, 3, #144 of 1728 🔗

Agree Annie; a living death.

347903 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to wendyk, 2, #145 of 1728 🔗

Nobody needs the Covid vaccines, as they have no merit. The Covid vaccines are now the heavy artillery in the government’s genocidal war against it’s own people.

346580 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Laurence, 46, #146 of 1728 🔗

Agree.
What makes my blood boil, is that if back in March 2020 we had had a sensible government, the following would have been enacted:
1) keep economy & society open
2) save £400bn
3) use some of that £400bn to create more capacity in hospitals for the inevitable winter virus season

instead they did the opposite and throw my children’s education under the bus.

346747 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to sophie123, 15, #147 of 1728 🔗

That was the original plan but Italy locking down opened up a whole world of possibilities.
The government saw a once in a lifetime chance to reorder government and society.

346777 ▶▶▶▶ Sarah N, replying to jonathan Palmer, 10, #148 of 1728 🔗

Yup – Fergusson said so himself didn’t he. And STILL the lockdown fanatics don’t see this?????

347010 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #149 of 1728 🔗

Well hopefully its going to backfire on them spectacularly.

347142 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to jonathan Palmer, -1, #150 of 1728 🔗

Did they?

Please direct me to the evidence to back up your assertion Jonathan.

Oh, there isn’t any! What a surprise.

Jonathan, you must have been a pain at school.

Teacher “Palmer, 40% in this test!”.

Palmer “No, sir, I got 100%, I am right about everything!”

(And no, I do not support this government or anything they are doing. In my opinion they are grossly incompetent. I am sorry if you don’t like that!)

347304 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to John P, 5, #151 of 1728 🔗

Check out Ferguson’s interview in The Times. There’s the evidence – he states it himself and that they ‘couldn’t believe they’d get away with it’. Oh and this cosy chat with Tony Blair should send a shiver down your spine.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Albion_Rover/status/1342971818093780992?s=20

347913 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to John P, #152 of 1728 🔗

And no, I do not support this government or anything they are doing.

Hmmm.

347597 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #153 of 1728 🔗

“government saw”???

More likely government was directed with carrot and stick to follow the plan.

347923 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #154 of 1728 🔗

Yes that is almost certainly the case, but it doesn’t alter the point that the government has worked very hard since March to cause great distress to its own citizens. It is now likely up to something far far worse, as it pushes hard Bill Gates’s long planned, depopulation by vaccination agenda.

347908 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jonathan Palmer, #155 of 1728 🔗

The government saw a once in a lifetime chance to reorder government and society.

Very true and being sold out to the globalists, they also wanted to massively depopulate both the UK and the rest of the planet. The vaccines are their weapon of genocide.

347009 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to sophie123, 5, #156 of 1728 🔗

Agree, boost up the healthcare, look after vulnerable and everything else stay open and everyone carry on. That’s how all pandemics in the past have been dealt with. I’ve never understood why this should be any different, unless the government are really that stupid.

347371 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to sophie123, 3, #157 of 1728 🔗

Do they allow home school in the UK? Might be a good option to get the kids away from the communist indoctrination they’re getting in the public schools (at least in the US that’s what they’re getting)

347577 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Elisabeth, #158 of 1728 🔗

Only viable if you can afford to have one parent not working. Difficult nowadays.

346587 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Laurence, 10, #159 of 1728 🔗

Speaking as someone with experience of this, I think the issue is that although numbers are similar the patients aren’t. In the past people who would not recover were rarely admitted to ITU. There is almost no benefit in intubating and ventilating the co morbid elderly, they just can’t be successfully weaned off. However the Covid panic seems to have shifted the criteria enough that many more are brought into the ‘critical care ‘ fold.

346627 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to ituex, 2, #160 of 1728 🔗

Thankyou. Interesting for that possible profile shift to be investigated.

346690 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to ituex, 4, #161 of 1728 🔗

To be clear, are you saying that what is causing the problem for hospitals is that people who are dying anyway are being subjected to invasive treatment they don’t need?

347932 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to ituex, #162 of 1728 🔗

However the Covid panic seems to have shifted the criteria enough that many more are brought into the ‘critical care ‘ fold.

Yes and we can have a good guess at why they have done that. Overflowing ITUs headlines will always create excellent fear porn.

346648 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Laurence, 13, #163 of 1728 🔗

The schools aren’t shut because of incompetence. They were shut to coerce people to take the vaccine. Remember BJ saying that he was confident that if the rollout of the vaccine went to plan he was confident of a return to normal by April. Then admitted that schools may not be open until the summer if circumstances change.

Of course, they have blown it, because more than ever are claiming key worker status to keep their kids in school, despite distribution of the vaccine being slower than anticipated and take up lower than anticipated.

346835 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Richy_m_99, 12, #164 of 1728 🔗

We mustn’t forget it clearly suits some teachers very well to be paid for doing less or nothing. Today’s news included head teachers of some schools say teachers are complaining about “invasion of privacy” if they have to do online lessons on Zoom. God give me patience – precisely a few feet of their own home being shown on a camera. Let’s face it – the truth is that some of them want to get all their pay and do none of their work and are not suited to being teachers at all. Who wouldn’t want to be paid for doing precisely nothing?

347051 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to ElizaP, 7, #165 of 1728 🔗

In Zoom you can set the background to be a picture behind you.

346565 TC, replying to TC, 6, #166 of 1728 🔗

Thank you for the contents of the newsletter today.
Good luck to Colonel Redman but I fear politicians in Canada seem as bad as politicians here and will not listen. It’s never too late to change.
One military maxim always stood out to me for application to life: “No plan survives first contact with the enemy”.
When will this government and it’s pet chosen scientists/medics ever change their strategy which is failing?
Credit to Peter Hitchens again. As a sidenote there,in my experience judges in this country appear:
(a) part of the established elite; and
(b) reluctant and frightened to go against any government with a substantial majority ie tacitly acknowledging their subservience to power which happened under the Blair regime and is happening under the Johnson regime.
The medics seized on steroids quickly so why their reluctance with Ivermectin which has been discussed online very positively for at least 3 months?
I see Prof Ferguson thinks restrictions will be lifted later this year. Oh,good.With his track record that means we’re probably doomed with loss of freedom for years! Maybehe’s realising that he’ll be one of the patsies (I hope so) and that he’d better retract some of his attitude?
In 2 months I will “celebrate” my second birthday ina lockdown.
How depressing is that? I am about to post on another forum a question as to how many forum members there are going to give up their sport this year through lack of opportunity to pursue it because I am seriously thinking of it.
I haven’t decided yet but it might be interesting to see how many others might be contemplating that same thought.
Stay sane and good luck erveryone.

346615 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TC, 6, #167 of 1728 🔗

“Maybehe’s realising that he’ll be one of the patsies (I hope so) and that he’d better retract some of his attitude?”

Highly doubt it. You only have to see one of this guy’s interviews to understand he lacks basic interpersonal skills and is likely on the autistic spectrum. He is not just clueless but physiologically unable to comprehend the complex dynamics that go into subterfuge, betrayal etc. It would be meat and drink for an arch-schemer like Pfeffel to dispatch Professor Prick.

The interview last week (The Times?) highlighted this perfectly. More of these puff pieces – used as a stalking horse – the better please.

346823 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #168 of 1728 🔗

Thanks.
He is an odd fellow without doubt.
My sporting friends have replied to me that they all plan to wait for however long it takes for lockdown to end and resume the sport.
That’s a positive I suppose but akin to hunkering down in a tropical storm and waiting for the rain to stop.
Few of them appear to be sceptics – yet.
Most have committed to the vaccine talisman.

346968 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #169 of 1728 🔗

Ferguson is very easily recognisable with his rat faced features. He wont be having life time security like Johnson. If this shit is ever over lets hope someone recognises him somewhere and he gets what he deserves.

346566 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 6, #170 of 1728 🔗

Juliet Samuel wrote her entire piece in the DT mentioned above about NHS capacity without once mentioning the Nightingale hospitals. Bizarre!

346575 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Bill Hickling, 9, #171 of 1728 🔗

I take that as a tacit acknowledgement they’re just for show.

346576 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 41, #173 of 1728 🔗

Things really bad in London:

‘At some emergency wards, patients wait more than 12 hours before they are tended to. Corridors are jammed with beds carrying frail and elderly patients waiting to be admitted to hospital wards. Outpatient appointments were cancelled to free up staff members, and by Wednesday morning hospitals had been ordered to postpone nonurgent surgeries until the end of the month.’

‘The situation has become so dire that the head of the health service is warning that the system is overwhelmed.’

‘This is battlefield medicine’

Things really bad in Wales:

A senior nurse says the stress A&E staff face at Wales’ biggest hospital is worse than she faced on the front line during the second Iraq war.’

And that was all years ago………

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/uk-national-health-service.html

And BBC 13 Jan 2015

The point cannot be made often enough that this is a typical winter surge which the NHS has not been able to cope with for many years now.

Its not the frontline staff. It never is. It’s the system itself.

There is another way:

https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Niemietz-NHS-Interactive.pdf

346582 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tim Bidie, 24, #174 of 1728 🔗

People have this tiresome habit of getting ill. If only they’d just stop doing it, hospitals will do fine.
Like libraries. People have this tiresome habit of taking books out. However, with the present attitudes to education, the library problem will soon solve itself.

346589 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Tim Bidie, 26, #175 of 1728 🔗

Yes, but what is atypical of this winter surge is the the NHS is even far more unprepared than usual to deal with it. This year of all years.

And money was never a problem – just think of the billions pissed away on T&T, every penny of which we can now confidently say was utterly wasted.

Criminal.

346646 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to TJN, 13, #176 of 1728 🔗

A further indictment is that government interventions have, in fact, exacerbated the situation; fewer beds and fewer staff……..

346734 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tim Bidie, 23, #177 of 1728 🔗

Yes, that’s what I’m getting at.

Muzzles in particular: if you’re coming down with covid, or any viral respiratory disease, rebreathing your own exhaled virus is surely effectively increasing viral load, and thus risk turning a trivial or mild illness into something much more serious.

I seriously wonder whether we might be seeing the results now. No one seems to be asking this question though.

347020 ▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to TJN, 12, #178 of 1728 🔗

I think this is true. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the young people they claim are in hospital are there due to excessive mask wearing and its buggered up their throat & lungs. I think its an elephant in the room.

347045 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 4, #179 of 1728 🔗

A masked elephant, so they couldn’t see it.

347195 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Annie, 6, #180 of 1728 🔗

I think the government are criminally naive especially given that there is so much hard research out there as to how masks do nothing to stop viruses and are often a health hazard. Whole thing seems to be about control and submission, but if people are now getting sick from it and placing a strain on the NHS..stunning own goal!

346729 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to TJN, 4, #181 of 1728 🔗

Yes the NHS alone has received an extra £52 billion of Covid funding in 2020-21, and an extra £21 billion in 2021-22.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget

346849 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 11, #182 of 1728 🔗

And where the fuck has it gone??

Really, where?

346929 ▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to TJN, 2, #183 of 1728 🔗

Contracts not tendered?

347203 ▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to TJN, 3, #184 of 1728 🔗

The NHS is just like pouring money down the toilet, this will continue until the whole thing is reformed top to bottom and ensuring capacity is available for winter surge.

347598 ▶▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to TJN, #185 of 1728 🔗

Manager’s pockets.

346610 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #186 of 1728 🔗

Nice one – I think that would be a real eye-opener to a lot of people.

346653 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tim Bidie, 27, #187 of 1728 🔗

The other factor is staff absence, in any other year staff members would be off work if they were ill; however this winter there are staff who are ill plus those who are off because they’re self isolating. Additionally there is reduced bed capacity because of distancing. The current issue within hospitals has been created from the response to the virus. It is a positive feedback loop.

346784 ▶▶▶ Sarah N, replying to p02099003, 7, #188 of 1728 🔗

This is so very true and all of us are being penalised for this insane policy! Makes my blood boil…………….

346833 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to p02099003, 13, #189 of 1728 🔗

indeed and the NHS has had 8 months or so for contingency planning to cope with the increased winter demand. If this is a ‘serious’ as they claim then they should have gone on a war footing early on and trained staff from other departments over the summer to manage and support the expected higher respiratory/flu/covid patients.
They have all completed medical courses and although many now specialised it can’t be beyond the wit of say a surgeon (who is probably doing less surgery now) to turn their hand on the critical care wards with some re-training. They should have extended their facilities and made the nightingales fit for purpose to manage more patients. An acquaintance’s husband is an anaesthetist who earlier in year was bored stupid as no operations, ridiculous waste of resource.
The fact that they appear not to have done contingency planning and now apparently overrun and staff so stressed etc if you believe the headlines, is nothing short of negligence and incompetence – but i think we have come to expect this of the NHS.

346740 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tim Bidie, 25, #190 of 1728 🔗

12% of NHS staff are off work.Thousands of beds have been lost due to Covid requirements.,extra spacing etc.
But it’s your fault because you went for a walk in the park

346785 ▶▶▶ Sarah N, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #191 of 1728 🔗

That’s what they’d have us think isn’t it

346577 Annie, replying to Annie, 43, #192 of 1728 🔗

If you can read French, look up Victor Hugo’s tremendous tirade against tyranny and corruption, Ultima verba .

https://www.poetica.fr/poeme-150/victor-hugo-ultima-verba/

The last verse is famous. It’s my mantra now.


Si l’on n’est plus que mille, eh bien, j’en suis ! Si même
Ils ne sont plus que cent, je brave encor Sylla ;
S’il en demeure dix, je serai le dixième ;
Et s’il n’en reste qu’un, je serai celui-là !

No translation can do it justice, but in plain words: “If there are no more than a thousand of us left, I’m one of them! If even / there are no more than a hundred left, I still defy Sulla [a Roman dictator]; / If ten remain, then I will be the tenth, / and if only one remains, then I will be that one.”

346586 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 5, #193 of 1728 🔗

Lovely quote.

347171 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Annie, 2, #194 of 1728 🔗

Merci bien. C’est magnifique!

346579 Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #195 of 1728 🔗

I thought 750000 people had already volunteered to help the NHS with vaccines etc

346583 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 44, #196 of 1728 🔗

In respect of the vaccine I wrote a small piece for my little blog yesterday. Here is an extract.

“But let’s step back and remind ourselves of a few things. Firstly around 99.75% of people survive catching Covid-19. This is now an accepted fact and I’ll refer you to the paper by John P A Ioannidis which is published on the WHO website. Thus it doesn’t matter if the vaccine stops people dying or not because it will almost be impossible to measure that fact. However, should it cause many deaths the drug companies have absolved themselves of all liability. They cannot lose – Kerching! The wide awake reader will be asking themselves ‘so what exactly is the point of the vaccine other than making money?” Congratulations you have just got straight to the crux of the matter.”

http://lizburton.co.uk/wordpress/health/covid-19-vaccine-the-biggest-public-health-disaster-ever/

346622 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), replying to Schrodinger, 1, #197 of 1728 🔗

Really enjoying your blog posts. Keep up the great work.

Beautiful photos too.

346948 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #198 of 1728 🔗

Great blog post.

346585 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 67, #199 of 1728 🔗

One argument I’ve seen against the GBD approach of ‘focused protection’ is that it would create a ‘two-tier society’ – some people needing to shield while others get on with their life.

First of all, the GBD doesn’t support compulsory shielding; if vulnerable want to get out and take risks, they can do so. They are not obliged to lock themselves away if they don’t want to. It’s a matter of weighing up personal risk and then making a free choice, which is what should have happened from the very beginning.

Secondly, a ‘two-tier society’ is exactly what lockdown has created. Those in big houses living with their loved ones who can comfortably work from home in safe jobs and get Amazon deliveries; and those who live alone, or who can’t work from home, or who are having their jobs and educations destroyed, or who are missing out on vital medical treatment.

The implication behind the ‘two-tier society’ argument against focused protection is an incredibly repressive communist approach of ‘Well if we have to suffer, then everyone has to as well.’

How is this morally right or proportionate?

346590 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Poppy, 36, #200 of 1728 🔗

How is that different from the current ‘two tier society’ where one half of the population work from home or watch Netflix on furlough whilst the other half struggle in to work to stack supermarket shelves, wipe the backsides of those who need care or drive their white vans to deliver Waitrose hampers to those sat at home?

346595 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Schrodinger, 16, #201 of 1728 🔗

Well indeed, that was exactly my point!

346597 ▶▶▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Poppy, 7, #202 of 1728 🔗

oops, so incensed by paragraph two I never got to paragraph three!

346625 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Poppy, 5, #203 of 1728 🔗

You cannot introduce compulsory shielding on anyone who has mental capacity as people who do not have capacity already have legal protection through the deprivation of liberty safeguards and these same protections would have to be extended. However, in doing so there would be a breach of the mental capacity act.

347050 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Poppy, 8, #204 of 1728 🔗

Excellently argued, Poppy.
As for communism, it was a case of the rich man in his dacha, the poor man in his two-room concrete flat.

346588 Julian, replying to Julian, 42, #205 of 1728 🔗

Thankfully, there is a windfall headed our way, in the form of the Covid vaccines. In seven weeks, if all goes to plan, the vast majority of the demographics most likely to die of this disease will be largely immune. That should be more than enough to end the lockdown.
The Government is keen to attach long lists of conditionals to this promise, however. Asked about it, Boris would only say that in the spring, “very much I hope there will be the chance, to look at some relaxations of restrictions”.
The factor to watch is not actually the rollout of the vaccine programme, but the hospitalisation rate and the performance of the NHS. The race is not between death and vaccinations, but between vaccinations and beds.

Above is from the Telegraph piece as quoted above the line.

There’s too much vaccine cheerleading going on for my liking among “sceptics” but it’s understandable.

However I think it is dangerous. Aside from the dubious morality of pushing a poorly tested “emergency” vaccine, and the longer term issue that by doing so we’re validating a year of lockdowns as a response to new viruses, the more immediate problem is that we’re again playing on the govts terms.

In seven weeks, if all goes according to plan. That’s a big if.

“Largely immune” – actually the vaccine makers don’t claim this. But let’s give them that. But does “largely” assume a high take-up? Surely the criteria is “have been offered it”, not whether they have it or not.

It gets worse and concedes that the measure is not whether the vulnerable have been jabbed but hospitalisation rate and pressure on beds – measures that have been rendered meaningless by govt obfuscation and incompetence, use of PCR tests and loose definitions of what a hospitalisation is, and pressure on beds is strongly related to probably over-zealous reductions in the number of beds and many staff not working due to over-zealous testing.

It gets even worse because when you look at the pronouncements of ministers and others on this topic, they often talk about our friend “cases”. If the measure used is “cases” then we are screwed.

The measure ought to be either
1) Everyone in vulnerable groups has been offered it OR, if you want a more outcome-based approach:
2) Deaths and serious illness directly linked to covid (confirmed positive test and clear covid symptoms, ideally who were not about to die of something else) drop significantly.

The trouble is that by the govts own admission they have no idea what that (2) number is.

If we’re going to push the vaccine at all, we should stick to (1) above as our final negotiating position on ending all restrictions – note the if – personally I don’t think we should push the vaccine.

346616 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Julian, 13, #206 of 1728 🔗

Yes, I hope like the rest of them that the vaccine is our way out of this fiasco. However, I seem to remember Boris promising us that his Moonshot plan was the way for us to regain our freedoms. Instead the mass testing has resulted in more restrictions. I really don’t see how we are going to get out of it. Lockdowns so blatantly obviously don’t work so the government advisors just advise stricter measures, I suppose eventually nature will take its course and respiratory illnesses will decline like they do every year, and HMG can claim success…until autumn?

346658 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Van Allen, 11, #207 of 1728 🔗

Vaxx does not stop transmission. Never has. Reduces symptoms, might help 10-30% ?? (no one knows), of the pop with compromised immune systems. For the rest neutral or negative given the ingredients. I am 100% healthy, my immune system is 99.7% effective, so the vaxx does what? Nothing. Is 99.8% going to ‘save’ me from CV 19? (I already had it, so the answer is no).

346640 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Julian, 7, #208 of 1728 🔗

The seasonal hospital admissions bulge will decline as it always does and the pig dictator will claim it as a magnificen victory for Govt policy.

346811 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 4, #209 of 1728 🔗

…and “owing to the tremendous success of what we have done this year, it must serve as the blueprint for years to come”.

346801 ▶▶ Sarah N, replying to Julian, 16, #210 of 1728 🔗

Agree with everything you say. I have a massive worry that even when the vulnerable have had the vaccine, things won’t look much different to how they did last year! The precedent has now been set and that is the thing that scares me the most! Hence Whitty saying that even if the vaccine rollout goes well this year (and I’m against this experimental vaccine I have to say), there ‘may have to be measures brought in next winter’. That sent chills down my spine!

347272 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Sarah N, 4, #211 of 1728 🔗

Not just your spine, I’m sure. Who’s going to invest in any public-facing business when the best that our leaders can offer is “more of the same”? If only there was a way to give these people a sense of economic reality.

346591 TJN, replying to TJN, 38, #212 of 1728 🔗

As has already been commented on today, another great update post today. The authors are at the centre of a hurricane, often directed at them personally. Great credit to them for sticking the course.

What’s especially striking about these posts is the tone – calmer than in previous months – factual, evidence-based, questioning, citing opinions and facts from a wide range of sources and expertise. I get the impression that the authors are putting a great deal of effort into getting this tone right.

And it is clear that Scepticism is steadily and surely gaining ground. One bellwether example: the proportion of parents who are determined to keep their children in school this time. Just as the increasingly shrill language and actions of the Zealots denotes panic and insecurity: they know they are losing, in terms both of public opinion and the disease itself.

346594 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TJN, 47, #213 of 1728 🔗

With the greatest of respect to Toby Young and the rest of the team, whose efforts are admirable, I beg to differ.

With the exception of TY’s piece the other day, recent updates have IMO been overly conciliatory and far too much couched within the fantasy world of a public health emergency that has been created by the govt, and not enough sticking to the core message:
1) Covid is not exceptional
2) Lockdowns don’t work and are unorthodox
3) Even if lockdowns did work, they cannot be justified on any rational basis

While remaining calm is good, righteous anger can be appropriate, and in any case I think with very few exceptions the writing above the line has not been ranty or wild – it has always been evidence-driven where appropriate.

We should stop being so defensive.

346598 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 13, #214 of 1728 🔗

Both great posts. What I hope we can all agree on is that lockdown policy (and those who serve to prop it up) appear to be held together by the thinnest of threads.

346612 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Julian, 10, #215 of 1728 🔗

I agree that, to my liking, they have been too conciliatory in accepting the new definition of ‘cases’, and in their accounts of the vaccine and the associated issues. Maybe they have their reasons. And sitting here I’m not in the centre of the storm of bullying, character assassination and threats that people like Toby re facing right now.

I agree with your three points, but especially with the simple and obvious ‘lockdowns don’t work’. That fact can’t be stated too often.

Until a few days ago I regarded the current ‘public health emergency’ as a fantasy, an invention. But the post above the line on here by a London doctor a couple of days ago has forced me to change my mind. In London and the SE there does indeed appear to be an emergency, although one that was entirely predictable and for which the Government and NHS had failed entirely to make any provision – for example, far fewer hospital beds than last winter. In this respect, the emergency is self inflicted. As I’ve written elsewhere here today: criminal.

I prefer suppressed seething anger to the more overt stuff.

346637 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Julian, 13, #216 of 1728 🔗

Lockdown’s obviously don’t work. We have had one since March 2019. What has been ‘successful’ – nothing.

LDs have killed 45.000. Excess deaths are about 75.000. Maybe 30k have died from CV 19. Rest with it from something else. The death count for 2020 is not above the 10 yr historical average (if you account for ageing).

So agree with others. Site is too nice, too placid, too ‘genteel’, taking the higher road.

When the enemies of your life, your democracy, your family, are actively killing people, locking them down, having the police and media terrorise them, the time for ‘conciliation’ was long over.

The only way this ends, is if the people en-masse start civil disobedience and inform the morons ruining this country, that violence is around the corner.

Fascism is not defeated by group hugs.

346724 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to FerdIII, 6, #217 of 1728 🔗

I can see this crime ending in one of only two ways: mass civil disobedience, or economic collapse.

346790 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to TJN, 6, #218 of 1728 🔗

Or both.

347158 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to TJN, 5, #219 of 1728 🔗

And hopefully serious retribution.

346726 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to FerdIII, 11, #220 of 1728 🔗

Lockdowns are not working,everyone can see that.
The health and scientific fanatics are peddling the same rubbish and attempting to double down on failure.
The public despite not protesting are quietly ignoring the rules.
The government have a choice,they can roll back testing to look as though the virus is receding or they can double down on repression.
The next few weeks should be intresting.

346879 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #221 of 1728 🔗

The ‘more, more, more’ bastards keep getting their way though. And it’s all our fault.

347155 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to FerdIII, 7, #222 of 1728 🔗

Indeed it is not. I learnt this at school in a tough part of Manchester. Bullies will never respond to hugs…they have to be defeated by force of strength. I remember there was one who used to bully everyone around him and he was always supported by other goons to back him up. Myself and 2 other friends prepared an assault and waited for our moment. Eventually we noticed he went into the loos on his own and we rushed in and got him alone and frankly we beat the shit out of him and made it very visible deliberately so everyone could see he had taken a pasting. He lost all credibility after that and others started standing up to him to!

347139 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Julian, 8, #223 of 1728 🔗

I agree with you here Julian. I think we have nothing to be defensive about. I have huge admiration for Toby especially given that he has been through the most appalling cancelation by the mob in the past and has recently had an unpleasant death threat. He is trying to cling to his precarious foothold in the mainstream media which is now operating under the techniques of mob rule and tries to demonise anyone who lies outside the narrative.

However if we are not careful we will find ourselves gradually accepting the enemy’s terms of reference which will lead to more and more gradual back sliding. The key points to keep to are that covid is no danger to almost everyone and that total deaths for any purpose are not out of line with previous years. Also that lockdowns do not work in the long term and carry utterly colossal collateral damage and cannot be justified in moral terms. They are the ultimate of the evils of big government and favour collectivism over individualism.

I think we are entering a very disturbing era indeed and the recent videos of women being arrested with their hands handcuffed behind their backs give me great concern. How utterly despicable the modern police now look with their masks and horrible high vis vests and combat style clothing. Robert Peel must be turning in his grave…these are just brutal thugs pure and simple. I would now never help any copper in a difficult situation whereas at one time I would have….I am done with them for ever.

I have had a couple of escalated confrontations with the maskoids over the last few days and I get the strong impression the atmosphere is worsening. I dont have to fear it myself due to my size and ability to
see aggressors off but I do urge the more frail sceptics to be cautious. I think the hyping up of the media rhetoric likening us to holocaust deniers or saying we have blood on our hands will provoke the unstable into possible violence and they will feel it is justified.

These are dark times.

346592 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 123, #224 of 1728 🔗

https://committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/326/the-governments-response-to-covid19-human-rights-implications-of-long-lockdown/
– do it by midnight. Here’s mine, which no doubt will hasten my inevitable path to the gulag:

I never thought I would see the UK, my own country, descend into totalitarianism, because that is what is happening. I am seriously considering emigrating to Tanzania – because like the German Jews of the early 1930’s, I can read the writing on the wall, and I know that before long my window of opportunity for getting out will close and my fate will be sealed, a fate no less grim than theirs was.
I now regard you, the UK government, with bitter hatred and distrust. You are truly the enemy of the people, and traitors to this country. I do not for one moment believe in this pandemic, and in fact, guided by my intense suspicion for everything you say and do, I have recently transitioned from merely being a ‘lockdown sceptic’ to a ‘covid sceptic’ – I now believe that your sleight of hand is more audacious than I originally believed: what you have done is take the normal array of death and disease and spin a yarn from it about a deadly pathogen which is stalking the planet: the overall all-cause mortality figures do not at all exclude this hypothesis as unreasonable – there is neither an unusually large number of people dying, nor any alteration in the usual demographic profile of the dying.
I scarcely know where to begin in detailing your crimes, the list of charges against you.  It is horrific, and I know it is likely to get worse.
You have manipulated the population by churning out endless lies and propaganda, accompanied by suppression of the truth, and the censorship and slandering of truth-tellers.
You have used not only lies to deceive people, but emotional manipulation, namely playing on fear and guilt.
You have forced the people to take part in some satanic ritual, namely the wearing of masks.
You have damaged public health by forcing people indoors, into isolation.
You have taken away freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of association; you have infringed on the right to pursue a family life,  to follow a faith or religion,   and even to earn a living.
These are fundamental human rights, which should be non-negotiable, ie, they can not be taken away whatever the cost. Even if it were true that everyone would die unless fundamental rights were taken away, it still would not be justifiable. The ends do not justify the means. Life is n ot worth having at any price – aren’t we told that this is what our ancestors fought wars for?
In fact it is seldom or ever true that some evil can only be averted at the expense of fundamental human rights, – this is merely the classic alibi of all dictators and tyrants everywhere.  The alleged evil is in every case a lie. If this were a real pandemic, no decent government would be behaving like this: they would on the contrary be seeking to give people courage and hope, not to subdue them with terror, they would be trying to keep life as normal as it could possibly be.
You have destroyed the education and life chances of a generation of children.
You have cruelly tortured old and dying people, and their distraught relatives, in their final days.
You have abandoned genuinely sick people, with REAL diseases, and left them to their fate.
You have destroyed the fabric of social and community life: weddings, births, funerals, birthdays.
You have destroyed the economy, millions of jobs and businesses, which will bring enormous devastation in its wake for years to come.
I no longer believe that you are acting in good faith, that at worst you are making mistakes while doing your best, – you are quite simply evil, – or the most generous I could be- you have allowed yourself to become the puppets of evil actors.
As such, I consider you to be dangerous and out of control:  you are an evil regime, and I wish there were some powerful force for good in the world that was capable of taking you out and neutralising you.


346607 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to JaneHarry, 16, #225 of 1728 🔗

Great post – see you in Tanzania

346716 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JaneHarry, 12, #226 of 1728 🔗

Hear, hear!!!!

346807 ▶▶ Sarah N, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #227 of 1728 🔗

Agree completely!

346865 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #228 of 1728 🔗

Brilliant post.

347029 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to JaneHarry, 13, #229 of 1728 🔗

Yes an excellent post, which encapsulates the bloody obvious reality of what is going on.

From the outset I was suspicious of the government’s heavy handed approach to Covid, but I reserved judgement for a short while. By the end of April though, it was clear to me, that this wasn’t about a virus, but was instead a massive psyop being carried out to justify the vaccination of entire populations, with who knows what.

The ‘depopulation by vaccine’ theory looks to me to be by far the most convincing explanation for the ever increasing madness, that is now threatening to engulf us all.

347057 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JaneHarry, 12, #230 of 1728 🔗

Fine eloquence.The only point on which I differ is that I never for an instant believed that they were acting in good faith.But I’ve always been a suspicious old cow.

347189 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, 2, #231 of 1728 🔗

Yes I thought Johnson looked evil on the first broadcast on the 23rd March and I have never had any reason to doubt that judgement since.

347369 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #232 of 1728 🔗

When he’s telling his biggest porkies Boris beats his fists on the table. Likewise, Bill Gates, another lifelong eugenicist and Boris’s pal, waves his arms wildly, when the biggest lies come tumbling out of his crooked mouth.

347698 ▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Rowan, 3, #233 of 1728 🔗

If Boris was rigged up to a lie detector it would explode!

347219 ▶▶▶ sam club, replying to Annie, 1, #234 of 1728 🔗

me too.

347184 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #235 of 1728 🔗

Wow great post that strikes the right tone. The time for believing these people are anything but evil is over…lets face it they now see us as evil too so no longer much point in being nice to them.

347601 ▶▶ number 6, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #236 of 1728 🔗

An excellent analysis, and VERY true. As in any hypothesis such as yours it is useful to apply a final stress test to get a definitive Yes or No. This particular issue of LS has that final test – the item on the total rejection of trials into mitigating treatments for those suffering from acute Covid, and even more disgusting the deletion of Dr Tess Lawrie’s video message to hCock by youtube. Couldn’t be any clearer than the effect of Sulphuric Acid on Litmus paper.

347902 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #237 of 1728 🔗

THAT was awesome. I shall steal that as I couldn’t have said it as well. Many need to hear that.

346593 sceptic_teacher, replying to sceptic_teacher, 14, #238 of 1728 🔗

So, they have drip-fed into the BBC today that all over-80s will be offered the vaccine at one of seven nationwide mass vaccination centres starting from Monday. One is located in London and, naturally, it is the Excel centre/Nightingale Hopsital, though the BBC wouldn’t say.

My friend who works at the Nightingale (as a consultant of the bureaucratic type) thought as late as last Sunday that it was going to be used as a “rehabilitation centre”, but was puzzled that they had taken the beds out (of course, we all knew what that meant). So leaders in the NHS haven’t got a clue what’s going on until they are told at the last minute.

https://www.cityam.com/nightingale-hospital-in-london-to-open-as-mass-vaccination-centre/

School buildings will probably be next.

346626 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to sceptic_teacher, 6, #239 of 1728 🔗

Isolation camps soon?

346632 ▶▶▶ sceptic_teacher, replying to FerdIII, 2, #240 of 1728 🔗
346649 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to sceptic_teacher, 1, #241 of 1728 🔗

For White Deniers only. They won’t touch BAME or Muslims.

346634 ▶▶ sceptic_teacher, replying to sceptic_teacher, 2, #242 of 1728 🔗

Edit: there will be 60 places in the Nightingale for patients recovering from Covid – 1.5% of original capacity.

347271 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to sceptic_teacher, 1, #243 of 1728 🔗

And millions of vulnerable people passing through. What could possibly go wrong?

346732 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to sceptic_teacher, 5, #244 of 1728 🔗

It’ll be like the warehouse party scene in the 90’s. Drive around the M25 until you get a pager text from “Tam the Man”, telling you the location.

346989 ▶▶ LS99, replying to sceptic_teacher, 1, #245 of 1728 🔗

Oh great, now I have to worry about my elderly parents driving to their local vaccine centre, in Birmingham I think as well as the risks of them submitting to this experimental folly that is the Covid vaccine. (I’ve tried to talk them out of it but it just upsets them and they’re set on having it … )

346596 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 43, #246 of 1728 🔗

Does the Chief Medical Officer have an explanation for the near eradicate of flu as a cause of death?

The cult of mask wearing, hand washing, and social distancing has coincided with a rise in ‘covid deaths’ and the disappearance of flu. How can that be?

Ah! but there is an explanation at hand. The rise in covid deaths is attributable to the ‘rule breakers’

If the experts can invoke the science of the madhouse and the logic of witch burning then so can we. The ‘rule breakers’ must also be responsible for the eradication of flu

Or is there a simpler explanation?

Exam Question:

If you test every hospital patient for covid with a test of unproven accuracy; but not test those patients for flu what do you think the results will show

Please use both sides of the paper

346601 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cecil B, 6, #247 of 1728 🔗

Remember to show your working 😉

346602 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Cecil B, 7, #248 of 1728 🔗

Can’t, there’s no lines.

346623 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Cecil B, 8, #249 of 1728 🔗

‘We knows, we knows…!!!’

Can’t test for Covids. because it has wings, flies for miles, last forever and ‘mutates’ into scary South African dragons….it bites, claws and is very very nasty, tricksy, false. No need to test for nasty flus, they don’t exist.

347273 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to FerdIII, 1, #250 of 1728 🔗

Welcome to the site Smeagol!

346696 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cecil B, 7, #251 of 1728 🔗

Its obviously because people are staying at home, washing their hands and wearing masks!

and just as obviously – covid19 is spreading like wild fire because people are not sticking to the rules!

347063 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 3, #252 of 1728 🔗

Do not on any account attempt to vaccinate both sides of the paper at once.

347278 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Annie, 3, #253 of 1728 🔗

Oh, sorry, the situation has changed. We now ask you to come back and continue writing your answer on page 2 in 12 weeks, not 3.

346599 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 29, #254 of 1728 🔗

Does anyone else subscribe to the Times Coronavirus Update emails? The propaganda is out of control now. These emails used to just contain links to, and summaries of, articles, but now we get items like this:

“If Chris Whitty’s plea doesn’t convince you to take lockdown seriously, this harrowing account from inside an intensive care unit, where generations from the same families are being treated, just might.”

The elites are clearly panicking. Is this a good thing?

346605 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to mattghg, 14, #255 of 1728 🔗

I’ve pretty much had to stop reading the Times. Almost all the opinion pieces are infuriatingly pro-lockdown too. Quentin Letts is about the only dependably enjoyable column (semi-closet sceptic reading between the lines)

346613 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to mattghg, #256 of 1728 🔗

Yep

346618 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mattghg, 9, #257 of 1728 🔗

I think so. I see the enemy floundering, don’t know about anyone else.

346655 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #258 of 1728 🔗

Yes, and they can´t seem to find a new narrative.

346675 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mattghg, 3, #259 of 1728 🔗

Nope. Cancelled my subscription back in August although I miss Neil Oliver’s column.

If the elites are panicking then that could only be a good thing.

346689 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mattghg, 4, #260 of 1728 🔗

This is the plan now.They are going to use hard hitting emotional messaging as in the first lockdown.

346952 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #261 of 1728 🔗

I somehow get the feeling that whoever wrote this email item is going to get a bollocking from their handler. You aren’t supposed to *tell* the victim that you’re trying to manipulate them.

346956 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #262 of 1728 🔗

The sociopath elite know that normie tards will fall for shaming anecdotes.

Every time.

346822 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to mattghg, 1, #263 of 1728 🔗

I trust these frontline reports as much as I trust frontline reports from Idlib. Perhaps the (now) UK based White Helmets have been giving lessons in emotive journalism.

346925 ▶▶ TC, replying to mattghg, 3, #264 of 1728 🔗

Yes it is a good thing.
When they start turning on themselves then it will be even better.
However, there were millions of Nazis and their supporters in Germany and Austria in 1940 – not so many in 1945 after they surrendered.
We’ll see how many turncoat and claim to have had their “doubts” and some scepticism.
Some will not forget or forgive them.

347031 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to mattghg, 2, #265 of 1728 🔗

I think it is a good thing as when they have to start relying on shock tactics you just know the game is nearly up, they are getting desperate.

346604 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 15, #266 of 1728 🔗

If a public enquiry needs a document as a start point to identify where everything started to go wrong, this is it. Brilliant!

‘But what happened in the middle of March when Covid-19 appeared on our shores after wreaking havoc in China, Italy, Spain and France? Governments took every plan they’d ever written and threw them all out the window. No one followed the process. They panicked, put the doctors in change and hid for three months. And now, having made that mistake, we can’t get out of it.’

‘C2C: Why is it a mistake to put doctors in charge of a pandemic?

DR: The short answer is that a pandemic is not a public health emergency. It is a public emergency.’

‘The problem with our Covid-19 response is that power has been placed in the wrong place. Why? Because governments adopted the wrong mission statement.’

C2C: If minimizing the case count is the wrong mission statement, then what should our mission statement really be?

DR: Our aim must be to minimize the impact of Covid-19 on the province as a whole . Not the case count. Not even the death count. Here are the four goals taken directly’ from Alberta’s 2014 pandemic plan:

‘Goal

The goal of pandemic planning is to provide guidance and direction for activities aimed at:

• Controlling the spread of influenza disease and reducing illness (morbidity) and death (mortality) by providing access to appropriate prevention measures, care, and treatment.

• Mitigating societal disruption in Alberta through ensuring the continuity and recovery of critical services.

• Minimizing adverse economic impact.

• Supporting an efficient and effective use of resources during response and recovery.’

https://www.alberta.ca/pandemic-influenza.aspx#toc-1

Excellent, simple to understand and sensible……so that was never going to happen…

346630 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #267 of 1728 🔗

Yes, it was straightforward and sensible. A relief to read someone like that.

346708 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #268 of 1728 🔗

Event 201 has been used as a part of the plandemic theory. But looked at from a different point of view, this should have been an opportunity to ready the world for pandemics far worse than this. Despite members of the panel putting forward very good arguments and warnings, most of the sensible discussions seem to have been completely ignored.

I suspect this guys sensible voice hasn’t been alone, but has been repeatedly dismissed.

346931 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #269 of 1728 🔗

A failure of leadership.

The NHS is, or should be, subordinate to elected politicians and their crisis management staff committees on which should sit a broad range of skill sets both analytical and operational, economic, logistical, emergency response including health.

Instead we have every appearance of the entire country being subordinated to a hopelessly incompetent and bureaucratic health service administration, with the disastrous results there for all to see.

Elections will come, sooner or later. Today’s elevated levels of bluster no doubt derive, in part, from a mounting sense of panic as to the electoral outcomes in store.

And the longer those elections are delayed, the worse the eventual outcome for the incumbents will be…….1979…….1997……

346606 Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), 12, #270 of 1728 🔗
346611 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #271 of 1728 🔗

Priti is having her ‘Downfall’ moment

346620 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 11, #272 of 1728 🔗

Indeed she is. Her “stay local save lives” tweet is being hammered mercilessly.

346631 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #273 of 1728 🔗

She also knows that once the pig dictator is gone then so is she

346647 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Cecil B, 6, #274 of 1728 🔗

Pretty damn awful Patel. Useless. I guess there are no Englishmen to run Ministries these days. Or maybe the skin colour offends. I think I will go to India and become Home Secretary, but wait, that makes me racist.

346867 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cecil B, 1, #275 of 1728 🔗

Is she still the prime suspect, along with Khan and Dick, for authorising the state enforcers to “go in hard” on lockdown protesters?

347237 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mark, 2, #276 of 1728 🔗

I suspect she is the top suspect….its pathetic that so many people on the Right saw her as some kind of beacon of hope. She is utterly beyond the pale.

347235 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Cecil B, 4, #277 of 1728 🔗

She really personifies the low grade of cabinet ministers in the modern era. She really is not very bright and should not have got beyond working in a bank or something. She is also able to show a full on nazi fit when she wants to as well. A thoroughly evil minister,

346617 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 67, #278 of 1728 🔗

I’ve long been cynical about the police having come from a country where the police are so corrupt you wouldn’t want to do anything with them. I thought police here in the UK would be slightly better, an improvement from the Third World Banana Republic Policing I was exposed to.

Well in 2020-2021, the UK police have really proved themselves to be no better than the crooks in uniform in the Third World. Apart from what I’ve read about abuse of powers and selective policing, Mr Bart and I witnessed first hand yesterday this over-zealous approach.

We were doing our long exercise yesterday which took us to Primrose Hill – one part of the park is very popular because it gives you a good view of Central London – east to west and can also be busy with people trying to take photos. A police car comes up and two policemen come out and try to move the people away from the site.

Policeman 1 was friendly and tried to chat with people so he was OK. The worst was Policeman 2 who I think made matters worse by being patronising “we’re in a lockdown, you’re supposed to be staying at home,” he barked. That really made my blood boil, why is it that they’re so heavy handed with enforcing these “regulations” but take 10,000 years to solve real crimes like grooming gangs, theft, assault, knife crime, burglary, anti-social beahaviour, etc?

The police should really be careful here because the line has been crossed. And next time they ask the public for support and help they will be told to take a hike. Ditto if they bleat about “cuts” and “racism” as excuses as to why they can’t do their jobs. Never again will they be trusted or supported.

346639 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 33, #279 of 1728 🔗

Far easier to bully the middle classes, no danger of any real kickback. I suppose like every other industry (I refuse to call it either a service or a force) there will be those who are enjoying their time in the sun. Like the policeman who rounded on me because I expressed concern about drug-dealing/taking outside our shop “What, you really want us to destroy these kids’ lives?”, to which I responded, “they’re destroying their own lives”. Yet, be human and kind, well, you know the rest. Had a PCSO yesterday walk past my shop several times, peering in through the windows. I wonder if they patrol the streets at night when it’s minus 3, I’m guessing not. If they had, they would have caught those defying the rules (good for them – though not the ones who threw up all over one of my window sills!).

I haven’t trusted the police since they left me to my fate as a young woman fearful for my safety. If ever I get one of those begging phone calls from the police to donate to their various charities, they will be given short shrift. As far as I am concerned they no longer police by consent.

346650 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kh1485, 9, #280 of 1728 🔗

The problem with police – as I see it – is that they want to be seen to be ‘onside’ all of the time rather than simply enforcing the law (not guidance).

346652 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 19, #281 of 1728 🔗

Agree. You can bet that if they tried these tactics in places like Brixton, Edmonton, Tottenham, parts of Glasgow and Belfast they will get beaten up. Far easier to harass old people and middle class types.

347264 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 8, #282 of 1728 🔗

Yes I remember the police in Manchester telling me that ‘they are not bad lads really’ when they had thrown a brick through the window of the house of my girlfriend at 4.00am as revenge for not finding much in her house when they burgled her a week before. She was utterly terrified but the police were more interested in telling us which Man Utd stars they had seen driving on Princess Parkway. I realised then how much the rot had set in.

Now that was in 1999…so they have been utterly rotten to the core for a very long time. They are unfit for purpose.

346642 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Bart Simpson, 27, #283 of 1728 🔗

I agree. I consider myself to be a law abiding chap but after witnessing police brutality first hand at 2 London protests and the recent step change in their intimidation tactics against ordinary members of the public going about their lawful business I really wouldn’t even piss on one now if they were on fire

346657 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to vargas99, 18, #284 of 1728 🔗

I live not far from the North West London HQ of the Met and since this shit show, I have avoided them like the plague. Especially if they’re muzzled up. One of them tried to smile at me behind his mask but I gave him a deep scowl that he backed down.

I know he was trying to be friendly but for heaven’s sake remove the muzzle.

347265 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to vargas99, 1, #285 of 1728 🔗

Me neither though I might give them a number 2!

346728 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #286 of 1728 🔗

I’m never going to forgive them. A member of my family is a volunteer police officer.

He won’t be getting a Christmas card from me for the next 357 years – disowned.

346741 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #287 of 1728 🔗

True. And like kh1485, if I ever get begging letters from police charities they will go straight into the bin and I will tell them to take a hike.

346780 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #288 of 1728 🔗

I remember back in the 80’s when mortgage interest rates were going up virtually every week our “plod” next door neighbour taunting me with the words “ain’t bothered how high the rates go because our housing allowance ( paid my the taxpayer) goes up accordingly”,

346798 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #289 of 1728 🔗

That’s the problem with many in the public sector – drunk from the money from the public purse. They won’t be laughing when the money runs out.

346818 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #290 of 1728 🔗

Or their jobs no longer viable. If there are no pubs,restaurants,cafes and, at the rate they are going, schools, who are the Environmental Health Officers going to harass.

The one who had a go at me clearly has a very expensive biscuit habit to fund (I know, bitchy, but for someone preaching ‘public health’ she really needed to take a look in the mirror).

347818 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #291 of 1728 🔗

They should be careful what they wish for as when the hospitality sector goes bust then out goes their job.

Brendan O’Neill said the same thing – the middle classes should beware because their jobs could also go in the way of the dodo very much like the working classes who bore the brunt of job losses over the last 30 odd years.

347482 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip, #292 of 1728 🔗

What a sick bastard he was…lets hope he got his come uppence.

347067 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #293 of 1728 🔗

Well in 2020-2021, the UK police have really proved themselves to be no better than the crooks in uniform in the Third World.


Very sad but true

347257 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #294 of 1728 🔗

The modern police are scum in the main. They allowed under age girls ie children to be raped in my town of Telford and did nothing about it for years and no doubt its still going on now. In Rotherham when the father of a girl who was being kept as a prisoner for gang rape, asked the police to free her they arrested him! Apparently he was being racist.

Dont ever believe the police are your friend…they most definitely are not now…they would much rather handcuff a woman on Bournemouth beach than tackle the raping and even murder of young girls by Pakistani Muslim rape gangs in towns all over the country. The same goes for knife crime in London.

The modern police are unfit for purpose…its time to forget Dixon of Dock Green and The Sweeney. We are dealing with a very different politically motivated beast now,

347321 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #295 of 1728 🔗

Well said. I notice that on Twitter people constantly bring up the police’s failings. One police force (Barnsley I believe) tweeted that they will be enforcing the Covid regulations stringently or words to that effect and the most liked and retweeted reply was along the lines of “does that mean that you’ve solved the grooming gang scandal then?” Bearing in mind that Barnsley has one of the highest instances of underage rape that has been swept under the carpet for years now.

The police must think that people are stupid. They aren’t and they’re not forgetting the police’s failures and shortcomings and will not hesitate to remind them of their long list of failures, fiascoes and dereliction of duty against the public.

Never forgive. Never forget.

347510 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #296 of 1728 🔗

I think they are more interested now in if someone is being given the wrong pronoun on twitter…nice easy work for them. So many British state institutions are now unfit for purpose. I work as a private tutor and started with a new client the other day….she said she had 30 different maths teachers at secondary school. I had one from start to finish back in the 1970s.

347768 ▶▶▶▶ rd0, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #297 of 1728 🔗

Sorry but with the current recruitment policy and my experience, unfortunately the police aren’t the best educated – a bit different in the past.

347763 ▶▶ rd0, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #298 of 1728 🔗

You should get name and number and issue a formal complaint.
He will quickly stop this if his job is on the line.

346619 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #299 of 1728 🔗

Is Michael Gove jockeying for position to take over Pfeffel? If so, I wish he’d be less subtle about it.

346661 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #300 of 1728 🔗

Since the day after the Brexit Referendum.

346671 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #301 of 1728 🔗

I hear that he’s got a brand new knife.

346624 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 15, #302 of 1728 🔗

Why are the media not shouting that the virus was defeated months ago and this is the usual seasonal mess with the NHS, where staff absence is more of a problem than any yearly virus. All Remainers enjoying the sabotage?

346633 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to DanClarke, #303 of 1728 🔗

First point, correct, then you conflate it with something with no relevance and lose your argument entirely. Why???

346656 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bungle, 5, #304 of 1728 🔗

Because, I think a lot of it is revenge by ‘some’ remainer establishments who would like Brexit not seen to be a success, ‘many’ remainers are angry and good or bad will not accept the result, for instance, many media outlets. The propaganda is one tactic.

346665 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bungle, 15, #305 of 1728 🔗

Because many of the lockdownistas are remainers as well. They’re like those villains in the Scooby Doo cartoons – And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those pesky working classes so they’re using this virus to get back by depriving the working classes of living knowing full well that the middle classes will be OK.

However that’s what they think. Economic Armageddon is coming and the middle classes won’t be spared either. As Brendan O’Neill has pointed out, globalisation has marginalised the working classes, the odds are trends accelerated by this lockdown can also end up hurting the middle classes.

346712 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #306 of 1728 🔗

Revenge for Trump and Brexit is the theme of 2020.

Problem is, revenge of that kind is cyclical.

346754 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ovis, 3, #307 of 1728 🔗

Exactly. What will they do when the inevitable backlash against the lockdowns finally happen?

347058 ▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #308 of 1728 🔗

Please don’t put all your enemies in one basket. Some Remainders are vehement sceptics. Just because they believe that endangering £400 billion worth of trade for dubious benefit might not be the smartest move doesn’t make them Covidiots.

347323 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to eastender53, #309 of 1728 🔗

I did say “many” not “all.”

346760 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bungle, 1, #310 of 1728 🔗

Conflation Inflation
Buggeration of
The Nation.

346761 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to karenovirus, 3, #311 of 1728 🔗

Panic buying of KY jelly?

346644 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to DanClarke, 15, #312 of 1728 🔗

It ended in May. CV 19 joins a long list of flu viruses. So agree.

You can go back 10 years and read the Fake News about the NHS being overwhelmed during the Winter. Literally every. single. year. And every. single. year. another ‘study’ about ‘why did the vaxx fail?’

346629 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 10, #313 of 1728 🔗

Many of us have come to accept that it really is all about the vaccine, not just for the elderly or vulnerable but for all of us, year in year out.
70m×£150.00 a pop, nice little earner got Bill & Malinda.

Then, of course, The West will ne expected to pay for the Developing World to get vaccinated else be accused of being uncaring selfish greedy racist bastards who want to deny BAME people the benefits that have been provided to us free of charge.

9Billion × £150.00pa.
Someone please do the maths, my pocket calculator has run out of zeros.

346635 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to karenovirus, -6, #314 of 1728 🔗

Karen – please don’t conflate 2 completely different arguments.

346659 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bungle, 8, #315 of 1728 🔗

I didn’t vote you down Bungle but I fail to see your point.

346664 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to karenovirus, 4, #316 of 1728 🔗

And then, Bill said, got of stash of spare cash now, think I’ll buy my own private jet company

346701 ▶▶ jb12, replying to karenovirus, 5, #317 of 1728 🔗

Non-white people in the third world are not minorities, so the (awful and divisive) BAME acronym is not applicable.

346733 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jb12, 2, #318 of 1728 🔗

OK ‘black and brown people’, it’s beside the point which is that racism will be used as one reason for us not wanting to pay for the third world to get vaccinated and being greedy selfish bastards.

To the point is how much Bill & Malinda are going to make out of this ? Every Year.

346641 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 2, #319 of 1728 🔗

98% with LS and complained to BBC over Toby’s treatment but why oh why do you have something called ‘woke gobbledegook’? I don’t know what ‘woke’ is but seem to be it from what you say. It has nothing to do with being sceptical about lockdown.

346825 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Bungle, 2, #320 of 1728 🔗

Agree in part but I think this whole woke thing ( What is considered acceptable, with no arguments to the contary) is al aprt of the social and mental conditioning of the covid narrative. Years of telling people how to think has lead us to this. total control of body and mind. But yes I don’t thing LDS should have this section.

346843 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bungle, 3, #321 of 1728 🔗

It has everything to do with lockdown.
That there is only one way to think and behave has reached its zenith under lockdown.

346858 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Bungle, 3, #322 of 1728 🔗

I see you are back with the same nagging of LS to stop writing things you don’t agree with. Certainly your self-identification as “woke” seems accurate as you are displaying the same arrogant intolerance that most obviously characterises that subgroup.

If you are going to keep spamming the same attempt to shut down dissent I suppose I’ll have to keep giving you my reply. This was in response to you trying to stop people saying things you didn’t want to be said in the comments, but it applies pretty well to your tack here of going after what is atl.

Left and right are just useful short-hands for broad attitude groups in human society, and particular political and social positions that arise out of them. Those like you who claim to dislike their use are rarely, in my experience, averse to their own side’s politically partisan polemic.

It’s debatable whether this coronapanic can or should be addressed in isolation. It arose out of global politics and cultural developments which had their own reflections in the changes in this nation over the past few decades. Imo it’s rather silly to try to understand it outside of that context.

But regardless, if there is a case for sites that focus tightly and solely on resistance to the coronapanic to the exclusion of all context, it is clearly not the function of this site, despite the name, this is Toby Young’s personal blog, and he has never been averse to introducing other issues atl, nor has he ever required commenters btl to restrict their discussions in that way.

I give you the advice I follow myself in regard to the expression of opinions that I dislike: ignore them or engage with them. Removing or censoring them should not be an option even for consideration.

But I recognise that this is unlikely to appeal to you. Since you self-identify above [in the first iteration of the nagging] as in sympathy with the pc and “woke” plague that has bedevilled and corrupted our society and politics for decades, you are clearly inclined to the other approach – censorship and firm supression and exclusion of dissenting opinion.

Hopefully, since Toby is the founder of the Free Speech Union – created specifically to address the problems caused in our societies by your attitudes – and has personal experience of the vicious nastiness of those you identify with when dealing with disagreement, you will never have the kind of power to suppress dissent here that your fellow wokesters have acquired in most mainstream forums.

I will fight by your side wherever you are fighting the coronapanic in all its manifestations, but I have no illusions that, given the power to do so, you would not have people (including me if I stand up for them) censored, sacked, and quite possibly imprisoned and forcibly “reeducated”, for expressing opinions you regard as unacceptable. That’s what “woke” is all about. If that is not you, then you should not claim to support it.

347062 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bungle, 7, #323 of 1728 🔗

It is an important section – it shows how freedom of speech is eroded all over the world. NO freedom of speech NO democracy

347519 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Victoria, #324 of 1728 🔗

He/she will wake up one day….or should that be woke up lol.

346667 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Maverick, 5, #326 of 1728 🔗

Robert Dingwall is exactly the sort of expert that should be brought to the fore – of only to disable one of the enemy’s main tropes – that we are all RWNJs.

346749 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Maverick, 1, #327 of 1728 🔗

Great article indeed.

346799 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Maverick, 2, #328 of 1728 🔗

Good stuff. Heneghan article in December was an effective one..changed a couple of minds I know. The zealots are looking more and more isolated.

346651 Bungle, 5, #329 of 1728 🔗

Quick word on ‘her’ and ‘who’ because you mixed up Hebei (herbay) with Hubei (whobay). Beijing (northern capital) is north of Hebei (north ‘He’) then comes Henan (south He) then Hubei (north Hu) then Hunan (south Hu) then Guangdong. Remembering those 6 provinces get you from Beijing to Hong Kong quite easily – just remember ‘bei’ is north and ‘nan’ is south and you won’t get lost!

346663 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #330 of 1728 🔗

Wanksock on Marr this morning. Hope he fake cries but have a feeling in my waters that he will come out swinging. I might do lockdownista bingo. Key phrases to look out for; ‘covid deniers’, ‘irresponsible’, ‘final straight’ and ‘anti maskers’.

346666 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #331 of 1728 🔗

‘blood on their hands?’ (bonus points)

346680 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #332 of 1728 🔗

Onto rule breakers now. Marr clearly trying to coax a certain response from Wanksock who is actually showing restraint. Think he’s just said ‘the NHS is usually under pressure at this time of year’.

346681 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #333 of 1728 🔗

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if Marr asked him about the Vallance quote. Hopefully JHB and Allison Pearson will pick up on Vallance’s astonishing prescience. Maybe they will start asking whether Whitty’s quoted “lockdown fatigue” has set in?

346702 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Will, 5, #334 of 1728 🔗

‘Schools are safe for children and there is no evidence that teachers get the virus any more than other professions’.

Fair play.

346703 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #335 of 1728 🔗

And ‘covid fanatics’, doing just as much damage

346727 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to DanClarke, 5, #336 of 1728 🔗

Keir Starmer in the studio asking people to stay at home where possible right after Wanksock did his interview from his broom cupboard. It takes something to out-knobhead Wanksock but he has done just done it.

346669 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #337 of 1728 🔗

Typo on Ivermectin: (e.g. 0.2mg/kg orally, equivalent to a 12mg tablet for a 6kg adult ).

60kg obviously (6kg adults thin on the ground so would be spotted before too many 10x ODs one hopes).

346709 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #338 of 1728 🔗

I should have read the comments before the article again…

346670 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #339 of 1728 🔗

The Mask of Anarchy

Shelley

Banned for 30 years

“Stand ye calm and resolute,
Like a forest close and mute,
With folded arms and looks which are
Weapons of unvanquished war.

And if then the tyrants dare,
Let them ride among you there;
Slash, and stab, and maim and hew;
What they like, that let them do.

With folded arms and steady eyes,
And little fear, and less surprise,
Look upon them as they slay,
Till their rage has died away:

Then they will return with shame,
To the place from which they came,
And the blood thus shed will speak
In hot blushes on their cheek:

Rise, like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number!
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you:
Ye are many—they are few!”

346731 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, 2, #340 of 1728 🔗

Great poem. I don’t think they’d ‘return with shame’ though. This bunch are shameless.

346672 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #341 of 1728 🔗

Alina Chan has always been the most reliable discussing the suspected C-19 lab leak as plausible and to be investigated. She is recommending this article although not agreeing  in all details. This discuss circumstantial evidence which can be difficult to prove. Anyway this is more and more creeping forward as a possible scenario and the medical establishment is now cracking whilst before in unison suppressing this line of investigation.

https://zenodo.org/record/4063813#.X_oJwthKjZs

Did a Review of Samples Collected from a
Mineshaft Cause the COVID
-19 Pandemic?

346687 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to swedenborg, 3, #342 of 1728 🔗

Fauci in that fetid mix funding gain of function trials when banned in USA.

346673 Will, replying to Will, 19, #343 of 1728 🔗

The piece by Christine Padgham is brilliant. That is the direction in which we should be heading as lockdown sceptics. We have got to start arguing that lockdown, masks, test and trace etc has caused the situation we are now in, not bang on about how this situation doesn’t exist, it does exist and we have a highly objective witness to that fact in the doctor who has been writing on here for months. We must talk about the unintended consequences of test and trace reducing NHS staffing by 33%. We must talk about nosocomial transmission. If the virus has become more contagious we need to lay the blame for that mutation on lockdown; viruses generally mutate to become less infectious and more benign, has lockdown caused this natural process to become compromised by concentrating the virus in those with the weakest immune systems? This lockdown was never going to achieve anything and it is an absolute fucking disgrace that the teaching unions have, once again, forced school closures and are so gutless they have done it surreptitiously, via health and safety statute. But banging on about this lockdown being unnecessary will only stop people listening to our argument that the first lockdown precipitated this mess, exactly as Vallance predicted it would.

346684 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Will, 5, #344 of 1728 🔗

Worth mentioning the 200,000 expected extra (non ‘covid’) deaths in UK by HMG estimate and the 130 million expected extra deaths by starvation worldwide.

346700 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #345 of 1728 🔗

Absolutely. And the millions of cancelled appointments and treatments, still being cancelled months after infections peaked in the spring as the hospitals stood empty. My daughter’s paediatrician was livid that PHE halved the number of patients he was permitted to see. Another unintended consequence he highlighted was removing children from the immunological challenge/ stimulus of the herd for the first time in the history of the human race. Could this precipitate a rise in the instance of autoimmune conditions and Leukaemias?

346723 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Will, 4, #346 of 1728 🔗

You say he was ‘livid’. I can understand that – but what I can’t understand is why we don’t hear a concerted howl of protest from GPs and specialists that this is happening.
If it’s gagging orders that’s preventing them, perhaps we should all be signing the petition, which is growing strangely slowly…
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/550598

346972 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Will, 7, #347 of 1728 🔗

Absolutely! I have been banging on about this since day one. The only people I know who are remained relatively healthy are those who’ve never worn masks, hugged as many people as they can and carried on with life as normally as they can. Those being BLAMED for “more deaths” are undoubtedly bravely SAVING lives!! It’s sickening to see facts twisted. It’s evil.

348255 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #348 of 1728 🔗

Right. We’ve carried on as normal. We both hate crowds and we aren’t huggers so nothing has changed. I wash and sanitize my hands every few minutes at work anyway as I handle food. Nothing has changed there either. I have to wear a mask for the days I’m in the lab which I pointedly shove way under my nose so I can breathe. Neither of us has had even a sniffle but all the perpetual mask wearers seem to get sick 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

347776 ▶▶ rd0, replying to Will, #349 of 1728 🔗

We need to take one at a time. All together is too much and we just get ignored.
I’d start with masks, as a fish net meets the legal requirement for covering your nose and mouth. So how pathetic is this law!

346674 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 28, #350 of 1728 🔗

Questions need to be asked about the role of of the mainstream media :-

  • Has the media been paid off or instructed by the government in regards as to how the cover covid or is the media pumping out fear porn propoganda independently. If we are in a deadly pandemic, why would it be necessary for the government to influence media coverage?
  • The media have pumped us with apocalyptic horror stories we are in a pandemic. If this is the case, why doesn’t this match reality? We don’t see people dying in droves, people surviving but becoming very ill, we don’t even see large numbers with mild symptoms such as coughing and everyone around me is perfectly healthy. I constantly hear from comments in youtube that people don’t know anyone with covid. Without the media hysteria, we wouldn’t have noticed a deadly pandemic.
  • The media have in general slavishly supported lockdowns which must have resulted in lost advertising revenue. How much revenue have the media lost. Has money from the government compensated for this?
  • If there was clear visible evidence we are in a deadly pandemic, why would it be necessary for the media to pump out round the clock fear porn propoganda? Why would the government need to place full page adverts in the papers warning us about covid if there was clear real evidence we were threatened by a dangerous disease?
  • It has been argued in a geniune pandemic the media would try and reassure us rather than scare us. The media has made a huge effort to scare us. Shouldn’t this be a red flag we are not in a pandemic?
346694 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ianric, 3, #351 of 1728 🔗

Has Piers Moron been paid?

346710 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ianric, 3, #352 of 1728 🔗

There was this back in April:

http://www.newsmediauk.org/Latest/government-partners-with-newspaper-industry-on-covid-19-ad-campaign

As far as money is concerned, there are other fingers in the MSM pie. The DT receives money from the Gill Bates Foundation – it says so on the website.

346816 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ianric, 5, #353 of 1728 🔗

The government was the biggest spender on advertising in the print media for 5 months.
Also restrictions were placed on Tv on how they reported COVID by Ofcom.
You tube ,twitter and Facebook have also used censorship based on WHO guidelines.

346824 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ianric, 5, #354 of 1728 🔗

UK gov has been one of the biggest spenders in ad media over the last year. This is quite a sketchy position for the likes of ITV. It seems a lot of charities that are event or shop based for revenue, have also splurged on donation campaigns too. Their money will run out. The gov at some point will have to reign in this spend, then we are looking at the biggest recession in modern times.
Money talks.

347463 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #355 of 1728 🔗

If charities are unable to open their shops they must have a lot of revenue. An Oxfam shop in my town never re-opened even when allowed to do so.

347552 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Ianric, 1, #356 of 1728 🔗

I have seen charity shops that have given up the ghost in Newcastle under lyme. Scant reward for them following the gestapo rules with zealous enthusiasm.

347783 ▶▶ rd0, replying to Ianric, 1, #357 of 1728 🔗

Go back to basics.
Covid is very cheep form of news
The majority of the population want bad/extreme news
News programs make money by exaggerating the truth
News reporters want to be film stars and Covid gives them this.

346676 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #358 of 1728 🔗

Andrew Marr interview with yet another expert asking him if he thinks that the “death toll” will reach 100,000 as predicted by Funguson.
In my opinion that’s what the target has been all along.
Then all dissenters will “have 100,000 lots of blood on their hands”.
1 million, anybody?

346683 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #359 of 1728 🔗

I’m sure I heard “from” rather than “with”

346704 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to arfurmo, 4, #360 of 1728 🔗

Lies, damm lies and statistics.

346767 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #361 of 1728 🔗

Lies, damn lies, statistics and Marr’s statistics.

346688 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #362 of 1728 🔗

Fear not. Once the dust settles, we can start accurately totting up their ‘blood of their hands’ tally which, I suspect, will be considerably higher than 100k (and rising).

346697 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #363 of 1728 🔗

Will they be able to ‘fix’ the results officially or just use the BBC mouthpiece?

346720 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #364 of 1728 🔗

Didn’t he say 500000 deaths and there would be 4000 per day?

346757 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Smelly Melly, #365 of 1728 🔗

HE DID!

348258 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Smelly Melly, #366 of 1728 🔗

They’re probably using Dominion machines for counting 🙄 🙄 🙄

347033 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Fingerache Philip, #367 of 1728 🔗

I used to rate Andrew Marr, but that was before he drank the Kool Aide.

346677 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 8, #368 of 1728 🔗

I have just heard of 4 people who are in my known circle (not a large circle – and getting smaller!), all of whom come from the two places in the world who vaccinating fastest. In each case they contracted symptomatoc covid in between there first and second pfizer jab. They were told ‘you must have had it before’ although the time lines don’t add up. In any case, interested if others are hearing about similar. Is it more likely that a) they had it before the vaccine became effective 2) the vaccine gave them covid 3) they would test positive for covid once they had the vaccine or 4)pther? Nibor

346718 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Niborxof, 5, #369 of 1728 🔗

Funny you should say that. Just had a message from my mother, who had covid in November, and got her first Pfizer jab yesterday morning. Guess what, she’s woken up ill, ‘just like last time’.

346752 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Adamb, 6, #370 of 1728 🔗

Very interesting…I do hope she bounces back after a few days as do most. But it was the manufacturers who stated that receiving the vaccine was “not a walk in the park”. That statement was not reported in the UK MSM as I recall and I do not trust our media to report honestly on adverse reactions. But now we know why they had that software contract out in early Autumn for tracking adverse reactions. They must have known there woukd be a huge volume,

347791 ▶▶ rd0, replying to Niborxof, #371 of 1728 🔗

I wouldn’t be surprised if all the vaccines turn out to be little more that sterile water. Just very expensive. But cases drop off as spring arrives.

346678 Ianric, 2, #372 of 1728 🔗

Since having to use passwords to log in, there is one feature no longer available which was very useful. Previously you could opt for E mail notifications to see if you had responses to your post which is no longer available. Could this be brought back.

346682 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #373 of 1728 🔗

“(e.g. 0.2mg/kg orally, equivalent to a 12mg tablet for a 6kg adult).”

Shouldn’t this be 60kg?

346742 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to captainbeefheart, #374 of 1728 🔗

Yes, unless you’re talking Mini-Me.

346685 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #375 of 1728 🔗

Did I just hear Tosser Wankcock saying that “generally, people on higher incomes manage better financially during lockdowns” ????????????

346692 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #376 of 1728 🔗

Does sound like one of his inane comments

346787 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, 5, #377 of 1728 🔗

Actually one of the more truthful ones.If you are in a secure job which can be done from home then you are better off financially as you don’t have all the costs of commuting.
The problem is there are millions of others that can’t and rely on human contact and movement.

346735 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #378 of 1728 🔗

‘People on higher incomes’ – so a small minority of the UK population?

347055 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #379 of 1728 🔗

What he meant is that he himself has done financially exceptionally well and that online schooling is a doddle with all the support staff

346695 Henry2, replying to Henry2, 2, #380 of 1728 🔗

One of the arguments, by those critical of lockdowns, for mask mandates appears to be that even if they do only show minimal efficacy that the psychological benefit of changing community behaviour into accepting this is a dangerous and unprecedented situation and it shows the community you’re taking this seriously. Thus behaviour has changed to mitigate the spread.

What nobody seems to question, or maybe they have but not in academic circles, that if you’re plugging this behaviour change and group think for the community, you have to be damn sure that the negative consequences are not going to outweigh the psychological gain of behaviour change (and is that behaviour change quantifiably significant to the baseline of the population already knowing this is a more serious situation than normal). Promoting this line of thought needs to measured against human behaviour using masks correctly, using a fresh mask every few hours as opposed to whipping one out of the pocket, and behaviour of giving a false sense of security that people can now freely mingle in Waitrose believing the power of the mask. The science may support the use of a fresh mask, used correctly and still keeping distance in ventilated areas but human behaviour at scale always ignores this.

346713 ▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to Henry2, 11, #381 of 1728 🔗

I also think that all the advances in treatment of people with disabilities for a generation, have been undone.
Those who should not wear a mask on health grounds are vilified, arrested etc and made to feel like scum.
The parallels with early 30s Germany are not exact but there are some and they are scarey

346744 ▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to FrankiiB, 2, #382 of 1728 🔗

An additional, secondary consequence, completely ignored.

346721 ▶▶ Will, replying to Henry2, 4, #383 of 1728 🔗

The mask of invincibility…

346739 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Henry2, #384 of 1728 🔗

77th out jn force today?

346756 ▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to OKUK, 2, #385 of 1728 🔗

Yes, I am Nick carter’s right hand man.

What is wrong with suggesting that if you’re an advocate for mask mandates (despite your opinion on lockdown policy) you have to be damn sure the negative, unintended consequences don’t outweigh what you’re advocating them for – which is positive behaviour change? (Even when that positive behaviour change may be minimal)

346782 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Henry2, 5, #386 of 1728 🔗

You’re claiming the masks have efficacy, albeit “limited” and that “science” backs proper use of fresh masks by the public, albeit proper use can’t be guaranteed. I’ve no problem with you arguing these points but it seems to me they were being smuggled into your post, in a carefully calibrated way, and we all know who do that sort of thing. So give us the evidence for this minimal efficacy backed by science.

346881 ▶▶▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to OKUK, 2, #387 of 1728 🔗

Gees, tough crowd to please. I’m not saying they have any efficacy at all, positive or negative. The narrative is that they show minimal efficacy (look no further than the Danish mask study). The narrative is that if a fresh surgical mask is used properly and changed at optimal point, say 3 hours or whatever, you’ll end up with lower incidence, not significantly different result from no mask. The argument I’m discussing is that behavioural scientists are using this determinant that the actual role of mask mandates is to nudge behavioural change to accept this more dangerous situation thus mandates have a positive benefit to suppress community transmission. All I’m saying is that they have to provide proof that the negative consequence of behaviour change under mask mandates (using a cloth mask (multiple studies showing theyre useless), believing masks make one invincible, touching the mask and sticking fingers directly in mouth and so forth) does not paradoxically increase transmission.

347169 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Henry2, 1, #388 of 1728 🔗

The Danish study only looked at protection from infection for the user and showed not statistically significant benefit. There was an inverse relationship between more mask usage and benefit!

346774 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to OKUK, 4, #389 of 1728 🔗

Oh do grow up. I have been posting on here since April.

347162 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Will, #390 of 1728 🔗

Wasn’t referring to you.

346794 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Henry2, 2, #391 of 1728 🔗

even if they do only show minimal efficacy that the psychological benefit of changing community behaviour into accepting this is a dangerous and unprecedented situation and it shows the community you’re taking this seriously. Thus behaviour has changed to mitigate the spread .”

But that is massively outweighed by the disastrous effect of inducing needless fear into the population.

That’s a benefit as far as the manipulators are concerned, as we know from the records, but fear is the enemy of rational behaviour.

346847 ▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to Mark, #392 of 1728 🔗

Absolutely my thought. However, many people advocate for mandates, including the senior academic on the Danish study, Trisha greenhalgh, the host of the above quillete podcast – primarily as to nudge behaviour (yes, driven by fear or perhaps virtue signalling) that we are all in this together to suppress community transmission.

The fact induced fear has also huge negative consequences is another discussion as it delves into all sorts of negative (possibly unintended) consequences

346916 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Henry2, 2, #393 of 1728 🔗

Using the euphemism “nudge” constitutes enabling of abuse. It is manipulation.

Induced fear is hardly “another discussion”. It’s the core mechanism by which the supposed benefits you claim are assumed to accrue. The negative consequences must be assessed with any supposed positive ones.

346976 ▶▶▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to Mark, #394 of 1728 🔗

Yes you’re right!

However, I just solely wanted to discuss this one point which I picked up on in the Quillete podcast above (amongst others) as a single point of discussion in a much wider sea of the fear tactics and behavioural manipulation. Seems we are quite good at discussing this as a whole

347040 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Henry2, #395 of 1728 🔗

That’s fair enough.

346841 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Henry2, 6, #396 of 1728 🔗

The only fact we can be absolutely sure of, when it comes to masks, is that the mandates were entirely political.

346850 ▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #397 of 1728 🔗

Definitely! However, there are some who are trying to force science behind it. They have to be damn sure the unintended behavioural consequences don’t outweigh what they’re trying to push. Human behaviour has a habit of being contrary to scientific behavioural expectation.

346959 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Henry2, 1, #398 of 1728 🔗

Some would consider their faith in behavioural science, as unnatural

346908 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #399 of 1728 🔗

I suspect there would be more scientific support for me having a rabbit’s foot in my pocket as wearing a mask.

346698 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, -9, #400 of 1728 🔗

Today on the BBC they saying asymptomatic testing will be ramped up. Why not bring in proper quarantine a colleague at works wife got it requiring the isolation of the whole family.As a consequence the whole family got it so quadrupling the rate of covid, now if this is occurring all over the UK no wonder some hospitals are struggling. I also heard another colleague who got covid and her lodger who should be isolating went out shopping,possibly spreading the virus. I believe this is a scandal that the government and politicians are not talking about showing how inept their are and why lockdown will always fail. But ah why spoil a crisis by doing something that people have been doing for hundreds years.

346722 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Derek Toyne, 7, #401 of 1728 🔗

Happening in the NHS, hence the staff shortage, one positive test from a colleague and a group go off.

346730 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Derek Toyne, 10, #402 of 1728 🔗

Stop testing of the healthy including healthy children in the general population and you will reduce NHS disruption. Of course you might on balance need regular testing of front line NHS staff and Care workers.

346848 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Derek Toyne, 4, #403 of 1728 🔗

One of Karol Sikoras main drives has been to focus on the self isolation of the sick and support them. He’s a bad guy though apparently.

347227 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #404 of 1728 🔗

As I’ve been disliked on this site I too must be a bad person and the government must be good. I really can’t understand people who do this to fellow sceptics, there’s so many things this government is getting wrong,why?
As each day goes by I am more and more coming to the view the government is using the wrong tools but our views also need to change. For example we’ve all been told covid is spread as droplets and to avoid touching but I believe it’s airborne therefore you can’t stop it so you need to build up your immunity. This is why we all need to take vitamin D get plenty fresh air and sleep, as well as exercise and a good diet. We all know the government is turning covid into a crisis so expose them not dislike fellow sceptics.

347016 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Derek Toyne, #405 of 1728 🔗

’Got it’ or tested positive? Two very different thimgs.

346699 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 2, #406 of 1728 🔗

Can someone point me to data for the average daily deaths in January for all respiratory diseases compared to January 2021?

I’m afraid I’ve got lost in all the data. I just want to see a total including flu, pneumonia etc so that I can see the January figures in context. (I understand Covid’ may have displaced flu deaths, but don’t know how much that effects average totals)

346789 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to FrankiiB, 1, #407 of 1728 🔗

You can pick up the various years ONS death data at this ref;
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlyfiguresondeathsregisteredbyareaofusualresidence
You can then pick out the respiratory deaths and average them out. There area lot of data sheets on the ONS site and so if you look around you may find they have done some comparison.
Noting of course that ONS are mostly for England & Wales but they do sometimes do UK wide analysis.

346707 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 16, #408 of 1728 🔗

So will they give us back our freedom once this so called vaccine has been rolled out? Only the really stupid would believe that.

346715 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #409 of 1728 🔗

Possibly the majority of it, because it will be demanded, we are not a subdued nation and also the job changes of politicians, and then most of them are lazy and get bored easily

346711 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 12, #410 of 1728 🔗

Interesting that moves are afoot to delay May elections.

In my view, that will be difficult to pull off because, in London, and in Scotland, politicians in power have grasped that the longer they put off a vote, the more they will eventually suffer at the polls.

They are comprehensively stuffed whichever option they go for and the longer the delay, the more comprehensive the stuffing

Just go and ask that ‘nice Mr Major’

346738 ▶▶ l835, replying to Tim Bidie, 10, #411 of 1728 🔗

And you will be able to choose between candidates who want to lock down today, and those who want to lockdown yesterday.

346778 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to l835, 2, #412 of 1728 🔗

Not if either Reclaim or Heritage put up a candidate in your constituency. There might be others that are firmly anti-lockdown by the time of any elections.

Who knows, eventually a party of the left might stand up for basic decency.

346717 Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #413 of 1728 🔗

Anniversary of David Bowie’s death today. A Quillette piece on Bowie’s 1984 inspired Diamond Dogs album and Winston and Julia’s ‘love in the time of Covid’. Not much of a diversion from the grimness tbh but an engaging and relevant piece for a Sunday morning, perhaps.
https://quillette.com/2021/01/10/songs-from-orwells-glass-asylum/

346737 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #415 of 1728 🔗

I’m getting really suspicious about the Remainer DM

346725 MikeMayUK, replying to MikeMayUK, 30, #416 of 1728 🔗

TV News: … 1035 deaths with CoVID-19 reported in the last 24 hours …
My Wife: 1035 dead from Covid! Gasp! That’s terrible!
Me: Hang on. They’re still catching up with the Christmas and new year reporting back log. Some of those deaths occured a few weeks ago and are only just being reported. The 7-day rolling average of deaths by the date the death actually occurred is only at 635. And don’t forget, these are only deaths “with” CoVID-19, not “from” CoVID-19. People are dying from the usual cocktail of medical conditions, starting with plain old age, and just happen to have first tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 within 28 days prior to death. There’s absolutely nothing here to get worked up about.
My Wife: 1035 dead from Covid! Gasp! That’s terrible!

346764 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to MikeMayUK, 5, #417 of 1728 🔗

You simply can’t match the visceral scare mongering. As in today’s Sunday People headline:

“Death is All Around Us …So Follow The Rules”

Get the message? If you don’t, we might have to send some “health instructors” round !

346772 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to George Mc, 2, #418 of 1728 🔗

It’s to be expected.i read somewhere that they are repeating the hard hitting emotional messaging trick from the spring

346815 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #419 of 1728 🔗

Ah but which Spring?

346902 ▶▶ TC, replying to MikeMayUK, 2, #420 of 1728 🔗

Yes, my better half is like that too.
I can point out that it’s all in the numbers and not really mathematical modelling but basic arithmetic and still no good.
Pointed out deaths per 100000 population over 20 years etc and still no good.
Hard times.

346736 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 5, #421 of 1728 🔗

Swiss Policy Research at https://swprs.org/covid-masks-review/ is a site I would describe as ‘anti-establishment Left Wing’-likes Asange & Chomsky, hates NATO. Not my politics, but truth is truth and it has a long list & links to research papers and preprints demolishing the case for masking if it ever existed. Tom Woods (US Libertarian) https://tomwoods.com/ and twitter ‘el gatto malo’ https://twitter.com/boriquagato/ (seems to have been suspended) have graphs and scattergrams showing no correlation let alone causation between masking and any benefit and are very useful. Woods also interviews experts who give well informed alternatives to lockdown and provides lots of useful stats. Masking is the weakest part of the Government’s line. It is always a good idea to attack the enemy at its weakest point-sow some doubt in people’s minds about masks and a chink in their certainty may make them more likely to question in other areas. [Modified plus links; from yesterday’s post]

346766 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to frankfrankly, 2, #422 of 1728 🔗

The petition that is shown here every day
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
is growing painfully slowly. I wonder why.

(Do read the patronising response from our Masters, though, at 10,000.)

346748 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #423 of 1728 🔗

The ubiquitous wearing of masks in East Asia is certainly the case in Japan; has been for many years:

‘By the time the Meiji Period dawned in 1868, people were already being depicted in works of art with their mouths covered.

And in the latter decades of the 1800s, as Japan hurried to modernize and catch up with its Western counterparts, concerns about infections meant that more and more people were purchasing cloth masks to protect themselves.

The production and wearing of masks soared in 1918, when Japan was affected by the Spanish flu pandemic.

Acceptance of face masks has remained since, particularly in the winter flu season and the spring months, when many Japanese suffer from pollen allergies brought on by the swaths of evergreen trees that were planted in the years immediately after World War II to provide timber to rebuild cities.

https://www.dw.com/en/how-japans-mask-culture-may-have-saved-lives-during-coronavirus/a-55321518

346765 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #424 of 1728 🔗

Didn’t do the Japanese much good in their last flu epidemic. But they do have spectacularly better metabolic health than us (UK 30% obesity Japan 4%).

346773 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to frankfrankly, 5, #425 of 1728 🔗

Can’t remember the site now, but it was pointed out that (because of diet) most of their elders have high vitamin D levels, and that accounts for low death numbers from ‘covid’, even though they have a high proportion of elderly.

347382 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Banjones, #426 of 1728 🔗

And given how expensive housing is in Japan, multi-generational households are almost non-existent.

346804 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #427 of 1728 🔗

I am struggling to see the relevance of this comment as face masks do not prevent the transmission of viruses.

346895 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Steve Hayes, #428 of 1728 🔗

Struggle no more:

Have other readers had a similar experience of mask wearing in the East Asia? Let us know here.’

(Above)

347001 ▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #429 of 1728 🔗

I lived in Singapore for 15 years (including SARS). It’s true that some locals wear a mask as a matter of course but nobody seems to know why. Probably fear of pollution. No mask mandate during SARS. Better overall health is a far more likely reason for the numbers, coupled with pre existing cross immuniry. SARS will not have ‘gone away’ so the opportunity to assimilatemit into the immune system is always present.

347375 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to eastender53, 1, #430 of 1728 🔗

I lived in the Philippines at the time of the SARS epidemic and while we were not affected, I clearly remember authorities in Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea and even Japan discouraging people from wearing masks. They had similar “catch it, bin it, kill it” adverts and I vaguely recalled Hong Kong health authorities stating that carrying tissues and hand washing were the best way to combat SARS.

And yet with this virus, all common sense has gone out of the window.

346860 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #431 of 1728 🔗

I was in Japan in winter, early 2001. So pre SARS. Don’t remember masks being a thing?

346906 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to PoshPanic, #432 of 1728 🔗

I don’t remember seeing them much in Tokyo either, but a lot of East Asian individuals seemed to wear them in the Middle East, and in London. The mask does have a long history in Japan, apparently.

‘Japan, however, was largely spared from the SARS epidemic, recording zero fatalities. To understand the nation’s relationship with masks, there’s a need to look further back in history, says Tamotsu Hirai, a clinical pharmacist and an avid collector of vintage medical paraphernalia.

Covering the mouth with paper or the sacred sakaki (Japanese cleyera) leaves to prevent one’s “unclean” breath from defiling religious rituals and festivals has been common from ancient times, Hirai says, and is a custom still observed at Yasaka Shrine in Kyoto and the Otori Grand Shrine in Osaka, among others.

During the Edo Period (1603-1868), the practice seems to have penetrated a significant portion of the population.’

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/07/04/national/science-health/japans-history-wearing-masks-coronavirus/

346950 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #433 of 1728 🔗

I think we’re in danger of confusing cultural traditions, with widespread usage in modern society. My personal experience, syncs with yours, in that I have seen more use, particularly asian tourists, in recent years.

346915 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tim Bidie, #434 of 1728 🔗

James Corbett has two of his podcasts on how Japan responded to the pandemic on his Corbett report website and currently on YouTube. He lives in Japan and is ideally located.

347381 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #435 of 1728 🔗

And yet mask wearing has not exactly made the Japanese immune from high death numbers from the flu. Plus of course there are growing concerns from mental health experts about mask wearing being partly responsible for social problems among Japan’s young people.

346750 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #436 of 1728 🔗

Wankcock says that a third of over 80’s have already received their vaccine:REALLY?
How come both my 89 year old neighbour and my 95 year old mother in law have not heard a word?

346808 ▶▶ iane, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #437 of 1728 🔗

Hah – THEY probably know you come here!

346836 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to iane, 1, #438 of 1728 🔗

Many a true word spoken in jest, iane.

346759 mj, 4, #439 of 1728 🔗

the lockdown sceptics prayer

When you can’t take anymore
When you feel your life is over
Put down your tablets and pick up your pen
And I’ll put you together again.

If your faith withers away
If God can’t bring you your answer
Write me a letter, I’ll read it and then
I’ll put you together again.

If there’s no light anywhere
And you’ve got no one to turn to
I’ll lead you out of the darkness and then
I’ll put you together again.

Put us together, together again
Put us together again
Drop me a few lines, telling me when
And I’ll put you together again.

When things look hopeless, just write me, my friend
And I’ll put you together again.

“I’ll Put You Together Again” Don Black / Geoffrey Stephens

346763 Cecil B, 10, #440 of 1728 🔗

I have a confession to make

I have bugged the Derbyshire Police Picnic Incident Room

‘ First of all we need an operational name’

‘ Done Sir, Operation Cucumber Sandwich’

‘Well done Mandy, Sit rep please’

‘We have a further fifty detectives joining us from 11am bring the total number to 150. Forensics are doing the scene. We have set up a SPOCs with the Cabinet Office and GCHQ. Priti will be here for a photo call at 2pm’

‘Do you have those figures yet for children’s plastic picnic sets?’

‘Yes Sir, Amazon 3,421, e bay 2,767. They will have the addresses ready for dawn raids tomorrow’

‘How many with teapots, how many without?

‘I’ll get back to them’

‘What about the ‘r’ thing’

‘Rendition?’

‘Sshh!!! we don’t use the full word in here’

‘All the extended family of suspect A are now at Guantanamo Bay. Missing a few from family B’

‘Press on board?’

‘Yes not a peep from them’

‘Oh, I do like these urgent reviews’

Anyway I’m off to seek asylum at the Ecuadorian Embassy where I will spend he next six months shitting in the staff’s desk drawers

Be happy for me

346768 Mark, 8, #441 of 1728 🔗

“No-one would envy Government the task of coming up with the right mixture of rules and imploring people to use their common sense. “

On the contrary, that task is very easy. The answer is, as a matter of principle and not therefore open to dispute on any numbers grounds, all voluntary and therefore common sense, and none coercive. This is the only answer consistent with liberty and democracy.

What would constitute a sufficient emergency to allow that principle to be over-ridden? Clearly not a jumped up seasonal respiratory virus that overwhelmingly only kills the elderly and very ill. nor even a more serious version that also targets the young and healthy, such as Spanish flu. It would have to be something that involves a real threat to the basic functioning of the state and the nation, a Black Death level event.

Most likely such an event will never occur, but you can be sure that if the option is left open there will be cynical or panicked attempts to claim every new disease event represents such an emergency. “Emergency” and the consequent claims of “necessity” for over-riding all bounds of decency is the standard method by which liberty and democracy are overturned, and outrages against civilisation enacted.

Better then to flat rule it out constitutionally.

346769 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 20, #442 of 1728 🔗

Just returned from my Sunday morning constitutional. My body fought off lots of bacteria, and no green gas emerged from my mouth and nose and no green slime on my hands.

346819 ▶▶ dhid, replying to PatrickF, 10, #443 of 1728 🔗

But, if you’d sat on a seaside bench and drunk coffee, apparently, according to Dorset plod, it would have done.

But I’m sure they would have saved you from such danger, by wrestling to handcuff and arrest you. Those in Dorset are “lucky” to have such stalwart wankers defenders of law and order.

Lol!

346771 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 14, #444 of 1728 🔗

Excellent articles this morning, one I found particularly depressing was from the mail on Sunday Peter Hitchens piece. The article from the retired Lieutenant-Colonel David Redman in the C2C journal appeals to the logical part of me and makes total sense that you would put an organiser of logistics in charge and someone who has years of experience and proof of being able to lead groups of people from different organisations to work together. Our leaders from all over the world have proved their lack of abilities in leadership.

“When an emergency happens, you need a process to create a plan, and then you need to follow that plan. Since the 1950s every government in this country has had a set of emergency plans: what to do in the case of a forest fire, flood, dangerous goods accident or pandemic etc. These are all updated regularly. Alberta’s pandemic plan was last updated in 2014.

But what happened in the middle of March when Covid-19 appeared on our shores after wreaking havoc in China, Italy, Spain and France? Governments took every plan they’d ever written and threw them all out the window. No one followed the process. They panicked, put the doctors in change and hid for three months. And now, having made that mistake, we can’t get out of it.”

I see so much sense in what he said, I would like to hear other views on this piece.

347800 ▶▶ rd0, replying to Just about sane, 1, #445 of 1728 🔗

Do you think any one in the news briefing will ask the question?

346775 chaos, replying to chaos, 16, #446 of 1728 🔗

After the controlled demolitions of 911 the government/TSA never stopped feeling up passengers. The masks (and everything else) will NEVER go away unless we somehow rise against. This is a war… a fascist billionare war against private business and the middle and working classes.

346788 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to chaos, -18, #447 of 1728 🔗

That’s a conspiracy theory & should be taken elsewhere please.

346796 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #448 of 1728 🔗

You should be taken somewhere.

346842 ▶▶▶▶ petgor, replying to chaos, 3, #449 of 1728 🔗

Hasn’t it always been the case of “follow the money”?

346800 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to frankfrankly, 5, #450 of 1728 🔗

I don’t know if the first point chaos makes is true or not but surely the second is beyond doubt right now.

346820 ▶▶▶▶ popo says, replying to kh1485, 1, #451 of 1728 🔗

(Which is equivalent to saying ” ‘true’ facts don’t matter”. What’s important is to hide your ‘true agenda’- the better to advance your position.)

346838 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to popo says, 9, #452 of 1728 🔗

No, it isn’t. I was pointing out that whatever your views on 9/11, no-one can surely believe right now that what is happening is about a virus.

346875 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to kh1485, 3, #453 of 1728 🔗

Problem, reaction, solution?

347565 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to kh1485, #454 of 1728 🔗

I don’t agree.

But I do think it is quite extraordinary the degree to which the entire scientific and medical community is wedded to the idea of transmissibility and infection as the cause of disease.

It is also accepted as a universal truth by pretty much everyone. It is completely embedded in our cultural belief systems. This is germ theory: an unstoppable virus against which isolation is the only defence (microbes exist but what role they play and how the body deals with them is poorly understood).

There is nothing more powerful than an idea: take away germ theory and Western medical thought collapses. I think we dramatically under-estimate the importance of belief and how human beings cling to their, to them, self-evident notions.

This, in my view, easily explains the lockdowns, their acceptance, the vaccine and everything else. That there may be charlatans exploiting the naivete of the masses is irrelevant.

When the facts keep uncomfortably popping up, the paradigm will start to shift, like a cliff face that has been destabilising for years and then gives way in a mighty crash.

346873 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #455 of 1728 🔗

Not really a conspiracy when buildings freefall into their own footprint, more like the theory of controlled demolition put into practice.

347017 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 7, #456 of 1728 🔗

I keep referring to this, too. Millions of people still believe that two aircraft can bring two skyscrapers down perfectly into their own footprint, not to mention WTC7 (apparently also collapsed perfectly into its own footprint because the ground was unstable and there was a small fire on the third floor!!) Look up all the petitions that have been signed for “9/11 Truth”… way more than the GBD. People don’t like truth. Because they are scared of free-thinking, critical, analytical minds. Because they are too scared to have one of their own. Anyone want to come argue the scientific case for a man being dead for three days then coming back to life? They forced you to your knees and made you beg for forgiveness for your sins. “But I don’t want to kneel and I don’t believe I have sinned.” When they force you to cover your face at all times and be injected with an experimental drug… “But I don’t want to cover my face and I don’t believe I am infectious because I have no symptoms.” Your protests will land on deaf ears. It is ALL RELEVANT. We are being lied to. We are being controlled. It ever was. It will continue to be…

347850 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to frankfrankly, #457 of 1728 🔗

Who the hell are you to decide what’s posted here and what isn’t?

348261 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to frankfrankly, #458 of 1728 🔗

Not a conspiracy THEORY. Just a conspiracy. Happening right in front of everyone’s faces. And the globalist scum on the world economic forum have been quite open about their planned Great Reset.

346776 frankfrankly, 8, #459 of 1728 🔗

Comparison between countries showing when masks were made compulsory & demonstrating no correlation with rise or fall in cases.

346781 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 24, #460 of 1728 🔗

‘People on higher incomes are better off than people on low incomes’

Who knew, who knew, who the fuck knew

346814 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Cecil B, 1, #461 of 1728 🔗

(That’d be the ‘hice’ price bump – plenty of funnnnnny money pumped out perhaps?)

346786 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 6, #462 of 1728 🔗

It is “highly likely” people will be vaccinated against Covid annually, as with the flu, according to Matt Hancock.
“I think it’s highly likely that there will be a dual-vaccination programme for the foreseeable, this is the medium-term, of flu and Covid,” the Health Secretary told Sky News’ Sophy Ridge on Sunday.
“Flu vaccination rates are at their highest level ever. Over 80 per cent of the over-65s have been vaccinated for flu this year. That’s the biggest increase, a jump on last year when it was around 70 per cent,” he said.
“That’s very good news. It’s good news for two reasons. Firstly, to protect people against flu and secondly because it shows the vast, vast majority of over-65s are up for getting vaccinated.”

> 80% – That’s a lie:
https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/search/flu%20vaccination#page/0/gid/1/pat/6/par/E12000008/ati/102/are/E10000030/cid/4/tbm/1/page-options/ovw-do-0

Ok it’s 72% for England for the over 65’s BUT it’s still a lie. 72% is not over 80%

But then again how many journos will be arsed to check?

346792 ▶▶ chaos, replying to vargas99, 12, #463 of 1728 🔗

Masks are never ever going away unless we somehow rise up… lockdowns also. This isn’t about a virus.

346809 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to chaos, 2, #464 of 1728 🔗

Petition? They don’t help much, except to allow people to see they’re not alone.
”Repeal the decision to implement compulsory face coverings in English shops.”
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430

347805 ▶▶▶ rd0, replying to chaos, #465 of 1728 🔗

Get one made out of netting. it satisfies the law.

346981 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to vargas99, 5, #466 of 1728 🔗

Hancock’s default setting is to lie. It’s reached the point where he doesn’t even know he’s doing it. He’s the dimmest of a hardly stellar group.

347806 ▶▶▶ rd0, replying to eastender53, #467 of 1728 🔗

Dimmer than dim – who voted for this idiot?

346791 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 5, #468 of 1728 🔗

Dr Jenny Vaughan on Sky News. “This is lockdown lite.” The problem in her opinion, is misinformation . That’s why we, the selfish, go out.

346885 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to PatrickF, 7, #469 of 1728 🔗

She won’t be satisfied until people are being shot at while putting the bins out. Even then, she’d complain that the kill rate was too low.

346793 Stephensceptic, replying to Stephensceptic, 20, #470 of 1728 🔗

This gets more surreal by the day.

Michael Gove is allegedly one of the big pro lockdown guys in government.

His daughter now has an article in The Mail complaining about the impact of the restrictions.

Sarah Vine, his wife, has an article there too. This one is complaining about the fearmongering and indicating some scepticism that all of this helps anyway.

Now, I would never claim that a wife must agree with everything (or even anything…) her husband does, or vice versa. But, breakfast time discussions in the Gove household must be fascinating.

Both articles are pretty good too.

346834 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Stephensceptic, 3, #472 of 1728 🔗

“It was all Mrs. Bumble. She would do it,” urged Mr. Bumble; first looking round, to ascertain that his partner had left the room.
That is no excuse,” returned Mr. Brownlow. “You were present on the occasion of the destruction of these trinkets, and, indeed, are the more guilty of the two, in the eye of the law; for the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction.”
If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble, squeezing his hat emphatically in both hands, “the law is a ass — a idiot. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is, that his eye may be opened by experience — by experience.”

346852 ▶▶ Kat, replying to Stephensceptic, 8, #473 of 1728 🔗

I’m afraid I just see it as different forms of propaganda peddled by Gove family members, egged on by the nudge unit. I’m heartily sick and tired of reading about what any of them think and doubtless they are paid handsomely by the ‘Mail on Sunday’ for this drivel. Despite their protestations, they all seem to be doing rather well out of the current crisis.

346886 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Kat, 9, #474 of 1728 🔗

I agree. Her ‘howls of fury’ appear increasingly hollow to me.

346797 Nobody2021, 6, #475 of 1728 🔗

The interview with David Redmond above the line was very interesting. In particular when he says it is a mistake to put doctors/healthcare in charge of a pandemic.

This got me thinking about my days of gaming and the things I learned from it.

A good few years ago I used to play a game called World of Warcraft. In the early days of what is now termed Vanilla* WoW it was quite a challenge to reach the endgame and only the most dedicated players managed it.

They didn’t do it alone though. In order to progress in the endgame you had to join a guild. The best guilds had the best players who would join each other in raids to kill bosses in order to collect gear that would improve their abilities to progress further.

I won’t bore you with all the details but generally a raid would consist of 40 people. There would be a raid leader and class leaders who would be in charge of their particular class. The classes would be broken into 3 categories – Tanks who would draw the damage from the enemy, Damage dealers (DPS) and healers who would keep everyone alive.

Each class would only focus on their particular task, they did not really need to know what was going on with the other classes. Each raid member had their own individual task to focus on and they in turn didn’t need to know what was going on with anything else. It was the raid leader who would know exactly what was required by all the classes and make sure that they all worked to achieve the overall objective.

Let’s say the healers are told to keep the DPS alive at all costs but to the detriment of the tanks. The overall objecive fails and everyone ends up dying because once the tanks are down there is no protection for everyone else.

This is exactly what is happening when the sole focus is to protect the NHS. The raid leader has effectively relinquished responsibility to people who have too narrow a view on the overall objective.

I know it all sounds a bit geeky but those who haven’t played games on a non-casual basis probably don’t realise just how structured it is and can be. In some ways it is not disimilar to a large company where most workers only need to focus on their particular task whilst the bosses bring it all together.

*Vanilla refers to the original version without all the bells and whistles that were added to make the game easier for the masses

346802 Basics, 7, #476 of 1728 🔗

Panicking the Public? How Covid Stories Don’t Add Up

Is a great article.

With the tech purge sharing these great articles with contacts is going to become difficult, you may read something interesting, pass it on, but your contact uses a web browser that censors the information. Once zuckerborgs whatsapp joins in wiyh censor ship we may be left with little but government data which they are no longer collecting because of capacity.

Images and screen grabs seem to be ever more important.

Can Sue Denim return in cape to code up a censor work around?

346806 Nick Rose, 14, #477 of 1728 🔗

Good old Bob!!

346810 Awkward Git, 2, #478 of 1728 🔗

Off topic but for those interested here is a link to what is apparently the indexed list of the latest wikileaks data dump:

https://file.wikileaks.org/file/?fbclid=IwAR2U_Evqah_Qy2wxNY12FMqFC5dAFUcZL5Kl4FIfQuMFMp8ssbM46oHXWMI

346812 Bill H, replying to Bill H, 21, #479 of 1728 🔗

Just screwed my courage up to the sticking point and watched Marr with Hornby and Handycock.

Hornby rather muted. Lots of might, could, perhaps, maybe…. no cutting edge left on his input.

Cock. Flailing. Marr pushing for more restrictions, Cock not biting. Still banging on about NHS unprecedented overwhelming. Needless to say Marr not pointing out this happens every year. Couple of times Cock left shaking his head as Marr ramps up the fear porn.

Overall Impression : the medical fascist mob know the game is pretty much up. Marr hasn’t had the memo yet.

I was encouraged overall. They are drowning in their own filth.

346831 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bill H, 10, #480 of 1728 🔗

Me too. It was as clear as day that Marr was the one trying to up the ante. Wanksock actually using quite good restraint.
The government would do well to turn their guns on the BBC – they are really struggling to hide a very insidious agenda now.

346890 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #481 of 1728 🔗

If the BBC is the Ministry of Truth then someone in HMG needs to tell them the “message” might be changing because their news is still alarmist in tone.

346965 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Bill H, 1, #482 of 1728 🔗

The only further restrictions that could cut human indoor contact is shutting down the productive and practical economy. No way they can do that without totally wrecking the country, very quickly. 1. Much of that sector is trading well. 2. With the tax year ending soon and 29% s/e grant money due back, losing much of that choking off trade in the last 3 months would be a disaster.

Shutting down production for 3 weeks in March, led to it being another 2 months before building supply chains were fully flowing again.

346826 dangerous granny, replying to dangerous granny, 26, #483 of 1728 🔗

A friend who heads up a large funeral director firm has just commented that they are receiving complaints from clients that although their deceased may have had 2 negative covid tests, the death certificate still says death from covid on it. ‘this is a common happening’ he says.

346884 ▶▶ TC, replying to dangerous granny, 3, #484 of 1728 🔗

Interesting comment.
Has your friend experienced any marked increase in work?

346963 ▶▶▶ dangerous granny, replying to TC, 1, #485 of 1728 🔗

Was a group conversation so didn’t ask, but he has said they are always busy at this time of year.

347173 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to TC, 3, #486 of 1728 🔗

My mother died on 10/12/20 not of COVID I hasten to add and we were able to get a funeral for 10 days later so definitely not rushed off their feet!

347274 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to dangerous granny, 3, #487 of 1728 🔗

Is he willing to go on the record saying this…? Because I am starting to have a short patience span with NHS staff and funeral directors who keep whispering their truth behind their hands and closed doors, rather than standing firm and saying it out loud for what it is… which would help us all…

346827 alw, 2, #488 of 1728 🔗

http://5n434.img.a.d.sendibm1.com/im/3210094/3d3e2a35df57d67b8333cd32c6995db4e2bc0bd9515aa25df1bf4bf8b74dbecc.jpg?e=p68Cp7_uCPh9Te4WS-amGlfiC7Bf1wQUuOD5PzEkmbVpDjryLvodnyNvxUehNFFAUcHbwmsAU18ojQ7O48Cl83GRySsf7Ci0-c2MCsTaWCV7TALtvpKopLxPjn7yLiJ2qc8fwpGOxBzRka6RhfXyDGjTIUEalokhGVdM5IsNgn6p2j3zsnjZ5CBTMRfUHX2xHWIlDjKOGxQr1lMjCOwOrttz48RHAJ8TJ-d2Vg
Please encourage these 16 MPs
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Winning over our MPs and elected officials isn’t the only thing needed to dampen the hysteria, solve our problems and get a more balanced and humane response to Covid 19 – but it is a vital part.

To that end, we’d encourage you to be in touch with your local MP and councillors regularly with your concerns.

Let them know – politely, persistently, constantly – how ‘lockdowns’ are affecting you and your family, your fears about current policies, and the kind of response you’d prefer to see instead.

If they voted for more of the same failed, unevidenced ‘lockdown’ policies – despite the harms we know they cause – ask them why?

If you put the gist of your message in the subject line too, even if they don’t read your email, they’ll ‘get the picture.’

The more of us do this, the more often, the message will get through.

And it is so easy to do this – the writetothem.com website makes it dead simple.

In addition to your local representatives though, there were 16 MPs who did the right thing last week and voted against the government’s latest draconian ‘lockdown’ restrictions.

These 16 MPs went against the grain – and, sadly, got stick from many quarters for it too.

So, please, even though you may not be a consituent of theirs, take a few moments to support and encourage them, at the email addresses below:

(Click any name, and it should open up a blank email with the correct email address)


Let them know they did the right thing.

Let’s all keep up the pressure, every way we can, for the change we want to see.

Working together, we can make a difference.

The Recovery Campaign

346828 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 4, #489 of 1728 🔗

My second complaint to the BBC is here CAS-6482490-V9X2Q9 That was the number for the complaint I put in regarding what I see as the disgraceful interviewing of Toby Young by Emily Maitlis. My reply from Dónal Rainey, as expected, was full of irrelevant verbiage plus the phrase ‘second spike’ proving the BBC to be already primed to support the dominant narrative. The BBC should be the first bastion of free speech whereas you attack Lockdown Sceptics, one of the few voices asking questions using proper, reliable, verified data rather than moralising monologues. Please, dear reporters, note Orwell’s words: “The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.”

346840 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bungle, 1, #490 of 1728 🔗

The reference to Orwell is ironic: he was employed by The BBC as a propagandist.

347883 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, #491 of 1728 🔗

That’s why he understood it so well.

347345 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Bungle, #492 of 1728 🔗

When they fob you off contact the ICO and put in a complaint:

https://ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/

346829 Fingerache Philip, 13, #493 of 1728 🔗

Mrs FP and myself do use the Sainsburys smart shop system (keeps 72 year old brains up to scratch) and it’s extremely useful and saves time.
What we don’t like is the constant “mantra” continually repeated like something out of Jonestown of “shop alone and use our smart shop system to keep us all safe, blah,blah, etc, etc”.
In reality I would say that the smart shoppers are outnumbered by traditional shoppers by about 30 to 1.
Message to Sainsburys and no doubt all the other “big” supermarkets: “STOP BEING THE GOVERNMENT’S MOUTHPIECE AND STOP TELLING US HOW TO LIVE(SUCH AS THEY ARE) OUR LIVES!!”.

346830 Binra, 7, #494 of 1728 🔗

I see a lockdown of people so as to suppress coordinated response against mass ‘vaccination’ or the narrative manipulations for its ‘deployment’.

The horror of genocidal scenarios is not in the numbers of dead but in the cold and methodical industrial and technological efficiency and inhuman logic to their setting up, implementation and carrying out as a socially engineered degradation and death.

The additional development of mind control leads to the means to induce people to willingly choose and comply in their own degradation as a moral sacrifice or mask of protective social credit by which to mitigate awareness of pain of loss as a social norm.

The farming of death in the living is not necessarily immediately the loss of life, but the loss of awareness of life as freedom of being to a spiritual death running as an operating system for the playing out of fantasies set over and upon the bodies of the living.

Who would save ‘their life’ shall lose it, but who would yield such a ‘life’ to Me shall know Life eternal. A fear-driven existence knows not that is has, and in lack and fear of loss seeks to add to itself and can never ‘get’ enough. But to them who truly have, more shall appreciate, while those who have not shall lose even the little that they have. This is not punishment, but the law of appreciation or ‘what you appreciate, appreciates’. A negative appreciation also goes forth and multiplies as the fruit or result of its predicates. As you sow, so shall you reap.

The spiritual realm is of qualitative meaning that has quantitative forms of expression as our ‘world’. The exclusion and reduction to determinism of a quantitative model is a lockdown of the mind to a distanced object ‘reality’ in which true relational being is denied for the mask of not knowing the fear or conflict that runs beneath.

In this way a mind is en-tranced to a narrative identity or masking persona within a collective willingness or intent to not feel and know the truth of That you are, but through a ‘glass darkly’ – that is through a multi-layered strategy of defences against disclosure to the underlying complex of fear that has woven its own spell as a web of ‘meanings’ cast out upon its world.

This post continues on:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/where-we-look-to-find-our-self-is-our.html

346832 alw, 3, #495 of 1728 🔗

THE BMA OPINION

“Peter Doshi: Pfizer and Moderna’s “95% effective” vaccines—we need more details and the raw data

Five weeks ago, when I raised questions about the results of Pfizer’s and Moderna’s covid-19 vaccine trials, all that was in the public domain were the study protocols and a few press releases . Today, two journal publications and around 400 pages of summary data are available in the form of multiple reports presented by and to the FDA prior to the agency’s emergency authorization of each company’s mRNA vaccine. While some of the additional details are reassuring, some are not. Here I outline new concerns about the trustworthiness and meaningfulness of the reported efficacy results.”

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/

346837 James Leary #KBF, 28, #496 of 1728 🔗

Was talking to a female copperette of my acquaintance yesterday. I recently came across her whilst demonstrating outside our local BBC office during a march. On that occasion she pointedly refused to beat me up, despite my pleading. Anyway, the new ‘crackdown’ and heavier policing won’t make any difference to her and her colleagues she said, as any spare time they have is now taken up with calls to ‘domestics’ which have gone ….. viral. Wonder why?

346845 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 22, #498 of 1728 🔗

Since banning the BBC news in our household for 4 months now I can say that my health has improved by 100%, I am no longer a grumpy old git…

One of the things I have been doing is watching old TV series, the latest is the 1967 series of The Prisoner, there are 17 episodes all filmed in Wales. Great watch……..

346868 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to cloud6, 4, #499 of 1728 🔗

Only four months? My BBC intake stopped over eighteen months ago and it’s given me a whole new (and much improved) take on news and current events. UKcolumn is a wonderful site for broadcast news, it’s just a shame it’s only on three times a week!

346899 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #500 of 1728 🔗

10 months here. Starting to dip my toe back in and the water is NOT inviting.

347167 ▶▶ Janette, replying to cloud6, 1, #501 of 1728 🔗

Us too. I was utterly disgusted with them when in early December they had a little girl on an advert on the radio saying “all I want for Christmas is a vaccine for Covid”! Try channel 81. There are some great old films etc on there.

347181 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to cloud6, 1, #502 of 1728 🔗

Dropped the TV licence in August and spent the fee on DVD series, so far have watched “Yes, Minister” & “Men behaving badly” now onto “Drop the dead donkey”. Do I miss the BBC? Not at all.

346846 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #503 of 1728 🔗

It is a good thing that those in the priority groups who want it are getting the vaccine, including the Queen and Prince Phillip , not least as this is a form of focussed protection as recommended by the authors of the Great Barrington declaration. “

Jeez! I thought that this was a sceptical site!

If you can’t muster the due, justified scepticism about under-tested and over-hyped vaccines, I don’t think you should be writing lead items.

346853 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to RickH, 3, #504 of 1728 🔗

Do we not also support personal choice?

346857 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Ken Gardner, 7, #505 of 1728 🔗

Informed choice. Most people think the various vaccines inhibit transmission – people on this site have read further than the headlines and should know better. That is not even considering the harms these things might cause.

346864 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jb12, 4, #506 of 1728 🔗

Agree there can be no such thing as informed choice because no one knows what the consequences are of taking this.

346866 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to jb12, 5, #507 of 1728 🔗

And those people, like me (I’m 73 with some health issues) will not be taking the vaccine.

346887 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ken Gardner, 6, #508 of 1728 🔗

Snap.

That’s informed choice – and I’m certainly not stupid about the potential risks posed by C-19 for people like me.

… but neither the theft of a year of life, such as we have had, nor the prospect of a 6-month vaccine balances that risk.

346919 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to RickH, 1, #509 of 1728 🔗

Good! And I think the debate continues about what the LS editorial position should be on this issue…

347286 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ken Gardner, #510 of 1728 🔗

We do. Otherwise we would be within our rights – a few years from now, when the NHS is overwhelmed with very sick people having reactions to rushed out vaccines – to BLAME those “idiots” taking a risky under-trialed vaccine. Nothing like trying BLAME anti-mask anti-lockdown protestors for “spreading a virus” by walking around outdoors when it’s cold enough to kill all cold and flu viruses out there… I think the expression is “Jesus wept” but I don’t feel, as an evangelical atheist, the right to use it.

346854 ▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, 1, #511 of 1728 🔗

It is Jonathan Barr’s speciality.

346855 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 6, #512 of 1728 🔗

the site is called lockdown sceptics

maybe you could start up a site called ”vaccine sceptics”

just saying…

(I will not be taking the vaccine as I have a functioning immune system – it is currently not mandatory)

346861 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Major Panic, 12, #513 of 1728 🔗

The vaccine is tied to lockdown as it is being touted as the only way out of lockdown.

346869 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to jonathan Palmer, 11, #514 of 1728 🔗

The people who are taking the vaccines, rightly or wrongly, are doing so through choice. It is not for us to stop them from doing so.

The problem I have with vaccines will come if we are forced to take them, or prevented from doing things because we have not been vaccinated – this is currently not the case

346872 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #515 of 1728 🔗

we seem to pick and choose from the excellent GBD…

”not least as this is a form of focussed protection as recommended by the authors of the Great Barrington declaration”

346883 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Major Panic, 1, #516 of 1728 🔗

Then we should explain the shortcomings of government vaccine policy.An untested and unlicensed vaccine used in the wrong way.Also their take up of this potion will be used to deprive us of freedoms,in just the same way as the fraudulent testing regime has.

346905 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #517 of 1728 🔗

People are wanting the vaccine, not from a love of vaccines, but from fear of a virus that is far less dangerous than they have been lrd to believe – there is the problem

banging on about vaccines simply plays into the enemy’s hands

346941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Major Panic, 5, #518 of 1728 🔗

Some are, but some are wanting the vaccine because they believe (wrongly IMO) it is a way to get their freedoms back.

346888 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Major Panic, 1, #519 of 1728 🔗

Vaccines, or more correctly a dodgy medical intervention that does not carry with it the traditional characteristics of innoculation associated with vaccines, has widely been touted as the key to unlocking the lockdown. Just saying back.

346901 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #520 of 1728 🔗

Further. It can be strongly argued that a core reason for the lockdown is the vaccine. We can simply look to GAVI where there aim is to ‘ensure strong markets for vaccines’.

Withing 5 minutes of this novel coronavirus being spotted the governmental line was its ok, scientists are going to invent a vaccines – something never done before (why not?).

The turning on and off of lockdowns has been done in such a fashion to cause demand for an easy out. No matter how unlikely or untested.

Lockdown is all about vacccines, among other things.

346909 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Basics, 5, #521 of 1728 🔗

unfortunately making the public in general incorrectly think that we are a bunch of anti vaxers will not help the lockdown sceptic cause

LS is already getting enough flak

346930 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Major Panic, 1, #522 of 1728 🔗

Good point Major.

346942 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Major Panic, 4, #523 of 1728 🔗

So we say nothing and they will just line up anyway?
The vaccine is the enabler for the control grid that will be established.
It’s that important.
When enough people are ‘vaccinated’ then the repression will really start.

346946 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Major Panic, 2, #524 of 1728 🔗

Who cares? There is zero chance of the lockdown sceptic cause ever getting fair treatment from the mass media. Whatever we say we will be smeared in some way or another so we should just say what we believe, instead of trying self-moderation as a futile attempt to get move favourable coverage.

346995 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Chicot, 1, #525 of 1728 🔗

erm… you are aware that we are currently discussing what is written above the line, what goes on down here seems to have no boundaries, which is excellent

347205 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Major Panic, #526 of 1728 🔗

It doesn’t matter. I don’t believe there is any point of worrying about how our message will be perceived by the general public since the mass media will always smear us as “far-right”, “anti-vaxxers” and “conspiracy theorists”, whatever we say or do.

347061 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Basics, 2, #527 of 1728 🔗

“Further. It can be strongly argued that a core reason for the lockdown is the vaccine. We can simply look to GAVI where there aim is to ‘ensure strong markets for vaccines’.”

All eyes turn to one person again, the Acting Director of said organisation and government prophet of doom predicting 500,000 deaths.

347665 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Major Panic, 2, #528 of 1728 🔗

Lockdown is a (futile) attempt to stop transmission of the virus; vaccines are an (equally in my view) futile attempt to stop its progress within the body. Both strategies are based on the belief that the virus must be obstructed at all costs: neither is based on the much better idea that a healthy indvidual can brush off the virus (or deal with it appropriately) thanks to the human immune system. Many if not most people who object to lockdowns are against taking a vaccine for that reason.

346859 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 17, #529 of 1728 🔗

I believe the vaccine is the most dangerous thing about this crisis.
A unlicensed,under tested ‘vaccine’which neither stops you becoming infected and infecting others and is also based on a gene altering method,which is not even being used according to the conditions that it was tested under.It will also lead to some sort of immunity passport once enough people have received it.
Under no circumstances could this be described as a good thing.

347027 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #530 of 1728 🔗

And is anyone collating the data on number of hospital admissions caused by severe adverse reactions to the first dose of vaccine as many are reporting? Could that be overwhelming hospitals by any chance?

347094 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to RickH, 2, #531 of 1728 🔗

It is important for the site (as I see it) to be seen to be reasonable and measured, not stoking hostility. I know that can be very frustrating but there is a balancing act when political and media gunning for sceptics is so intense.

346851 REMiller, 6, #532 of 1728 🔗

Hi all,

Was just thinking about songs that would be appropriate for these times, and I suddenly remembered a song by The Levellers that came out in 1991 just before i went up to university. Scary to see how little needs to be altered to make it fit the present:

Sell Out

The year is 2021, it seems that freedom is dead and gone
The power of the rich is held by few
Keep the young paralysed, educated by your lies
Keep the old ones happy with the news
Tell the singer not to sing his song
Tell the poet that she’s wrong
And in Big Tech you’ll win the case with lies
’cause you sold them down the river

Do I belong to some ancient race
I like to walk in ancient places
These are things that I can understand
I don’t believe in your modern way
Don’t care about the things you say
Your policies have failed the test of time
’cause you sold them down the river

Now in a land not far away,
there’s people cancelled ’cause they say
The colour of your skin is not a question
Did you rally to their side?
No, you sat back and watched with pride
I don’t know how you get to sleep at night
At night!

Do I belong to some ancient race…

Election cycles go round and round
The cases go up, dissent just gets drowned
You need the power to bring us all down
’cause you get scared when truth comes around
Don’t you tell me where it is that we are bound

Do I belong to some ancient race…

346856 l835, 15, #533 of 1728 🔗

Plenty of thought on the MSM fuelling the panic, and yes they do seem caught in a self perpetuating downward spiral. But as we know ‘sex sells’ well so does sensation. Ask yourself, which headline would the average Sun reader buy, 10,000 dead, 20,000 dead or 30,000 dead?

As the old joke goes, the one answer is the one with the biggest boobs! So I give you Johnston, Hancock, Witty and Valance, a bigger set of boobs I have yet to see! (drakeford and Nicla being complete c*unts, but that’s a different matter!)

346862 DavidDLM, replying to DavidDLM, 20, #534 of 1728 🔗

I don’t know if this had been mentioned before but most of the churches in London are closed, at least the CofE ones. The RC churches are still open, although you have to book attendance in advance. The decision to close my own church was made on Friday by the Vicar and Churchwardens without even consulting PCC members. It was in response to Khan’s declaration of a ‘major incident’ and made to show the church was ‘doing its bit’ and ‘supporting the NHS.’ I’ve been going to this church for over 20 years and I’ve never felt more disillusioned with it.

346870 ▶▶ Kat, replying to DavidDLM, 12, #535 of 1728 🔗

When I hear about this type of response from the Church and its acolytes, I have to pinch myself to remember that Christianity began because one man was prepared to die in agony on a cross to save the world.

346907 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Kat, 5, #536 of 1728 🔗

The Christian church hierarchies’ responses, mostly, have constituted spitting upon the history of the martyrs of their faith.

347191 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Kat, #537 of 1728 🔗

Shame that it was such a pointless sacrifice!

346871 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to DavidDLM, 7, #538 of 1728 🔗

Believe in God, not Man.

346877 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to PatrickF, 4, #539 of 1728 🔗

Amen to that.

346880 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to TC, 3, #540 of 1728 🔗

Awomen

346882 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Major Panic, 5, #541 of 1728 🔗

AThey, we are transtastic in niklas scotland

346892 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to PatrickF, -1, #542 of 1728 🔗

Globalists kill.. God kills. All tyrants. Fear them all.

346938 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to PatrickF, #543 of 1728 🔗

Same thing.

346910 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to DavidDLM, 6, #544 of 1728 🔗

Sorry to hear this David. 60 miles away from London our church is open but still tied in to the conventional narrative. I attended this morning but although I got a lot out the service it was a dispiriting experience.
Our Rector has decided to do a mini-series on Lamentations and one phrase came out to me from 5:21:
Turn us, o Lord to thee and we shall be turned,
Renew our days just as before
(My translation from the Septuagint).
We were going to study Tobit in Trinity Term but I shall now change it to Lamentations, providing my students agree that is.
It also came to me quite strongly that the government has no right whatsoever to dictate to us how we worship. This is a usurpation of authority and it WILL be punished.
I shall be sending a private message to you. Please look out for it.

346980 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to DavidDLM, 1, #545 of 1728 🔗

The Fellowship of Biblical Christians has taken a stand:

https://www.thefbc.uk/

347578 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DavidDLM, 3, #546 of 1728 🔗

St Paul’s did close as well citing “major incident” as an excuse and of course they want to be seen to be doing something.

The Church in 2020 is different from the one in 410AD – lacks the courage to take the lead and is in cahoots with the Establishment.

346863 Squire Western, 3, #547 of 1728 🔗

equivalent to a 12mg tablet for a 6kg adult’
Quite a small adult, no? Tom Thumb, perhaps?

346876 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #548 of 1728 🔗

“Symbols are an easy way to seperate a people from a previous generation. Psychological tampering is a technique to disarm you, conditioning is driven in through a psychological iontophoresis into the very depths of the people’s being. A very simple psychological warfare technique.”

Link has visual comparison – nazi greetings card and masked christmas greeetings card. Worth a look.

https://twitter.com/DebbeeHutchins1/status/1348211467338870786?s=20

346897 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Basics, 3, #549 of 1728 🔗

I have been a dealer in antique ephemera for some time. I don’t think the card is a nazi card, the greeting is in English after all. The swastika was widely used throughout Europe as a symbol for good luck and appears on many postcards and greetings card of the early 20th Century. It was adopted by the Nazi party in 1920.

346889 chaos, replying to chaos, 23, #550 of 1728 🔗

A huge number of people I know, family friends, now take vitamin D3. It used to be just me. Some of them were turned on to supplementing with D3 by me. I have read that vitamin D3 sales have increased dramatically. This is a positive thing to come from this globalist coup, sorry pandemic, for our immune systems.. are you supplementing?

346898 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to chaos, 5, #551 of 1728 🔗

absolutely!

Remember a few years ago ‘they’ tried to regulate vitamin sales. We need to make sure that those who fuel their immune systems with vitamins and minerals are never stopped from doing so.

346987 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Major Panic, 3, #552 of 1728 🔗

The codex. They will try again.. in some coutries you cannot buy supplements. And one or two have vanished here in the UK e.g. tryptophan and melatonin.

347073 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to chaos, #553 of 1728 🔗

yes, if you make your profit from drugs that treat the unwell then healthy immune systems are bad for business

Just as cures are bad for profits from symptom treating drugs

these two docs cost big pharma billions

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1283743/

346893 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, #554 of 1728 🔗

Hi all,

Not sure if this has been posted already and if this is or isn’t a hoax. If it is, I apologise in advance – IF NOT, copy, share, read for yourself and download the files.

It’s not in the news or anywhere on social media: Trump has declassified all of the Washington Scandals, and Wikileaks dumped all the files online:

https://file.wikileaks.org/file/?fbclid=IwAR2U_Evqah_Qy2wxNY12FMqFC5dAFUcZL5Kl4FIfQuMFMp8ssbM46oHXWMI

Thoughts?

346911 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Pebbles, #555 of 1728 🔗

The file isn’t on WikiLeaks website, which is precisely where it would be if WikiLeaks had published it.

346943 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Steve Hayes, #556 of 1728 🔗

It goes to a file dump where previously Wikileak files were dumped that’s why I found it so confusing. Maybe just another part of the game to confuse the public.

346894 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 21, #557 of 1728 🔗

Don’t drive more than 5 miles away from home unless you are going to our nearest vaccination centre which is 15 miles away.

347044 ▶▶ alw, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #558 of 1728 🔗

No such rule about 5 miles. Pure fiction and unenforceable in law

346903 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #559 of 1728 🔗

Pandemic Logic number 2:

GBD has been debunked. It’s impossible to do focused protection because nobody knows how it can be done. If you can’t identify and protect 100% of the most vulnerable then we can’t do it at all.

So instead we should lock everyone down and count hundreds dead every day because they’re all being protected. Protection has been redefined as “it would have been much worse without it”. Just because we can’t protect 100% of the most vulnerable it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it…

346914 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #560 of 1728 🔗

mathematical modellers can no doubt ‘prove’ strict lockdown is the route to immortality

346933 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 4, #561 of 1728 🔗

If you recall all the models that the Chuckle Brothers brought forward in November (at the time of the 4000 a day Armageddon), you will also come to the conclusion that mathematical modellers are best locked in their bedrooms playing computer games. They can do less damage in that way.

346996 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 4, #562 of 1728 🔗

Best locked up in a prison.

346997 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, #563 of 1728 🔗

yes, that was implication of my point

346928 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #564 of 1728 🔗

… and, of course, the real logical conclusion is the one that has always applied : let the vulnerable choose how best to manage the risk.

346912 JFJ, 1, #565 of 1728 🔗

Christine Padgham’s article was well worth reading and useful for sanity building. Keep up the fight LS.

346913 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #566 of 1728 🔗

One of the most absurd things in the update today. Requirement of test before entering UK. At the moment UK ,one of the world leading in “cases”, trying to stop people coming in. Border restrictions might only stop a week or two in a emerging pandemic in a European country and would have had a tiny sense in Feb/March but UK didn’t even impose travel restrictions after the US ban.
The virus is now firmly embedded in the UK since 11 months and thinking that any import of infection would have any effect at all on the total numbers,is pure fiction.
It is also most likely not legal to stop UK citizen and those with permanent UK residence to enter to their place of residence. They might get away with only quarantine in their home but already ECJ has thrown out very rapidly that entry requirement in Netherlands for Dutch citizens.

346917 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to swedenborg, 1, #567 of 1728 🔗

What’s the relevance of the European Court of Justice to the public policy of the United Kingdom?

347374 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Steve Hayes, #568 of 1728 🔗

Speaking without deep legal  expertise but we are in the absurd position that a Tory Brexiteer government can legally stop UK citizen entering the country without undergoing test. And the only remedy is UK signing Human Rights Convention administered by ECJ in Haag, which prohibits any legal requirements to be able to return to your domiciled residence. Please correct me if I am wrong

346918 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to swedenborg, 3, #569 of 1728 🔗

Very simple. It is ALL about appeasing those with the loudest voices, not matter what is being shouted.

346922 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 3, #570 of 1728 🔗

… but, of course, swedenborg, if we reel back to the 2019 WHO NPI guidance, none of the leading UK measures presently employed are recommended as effective.

I have never found it so easy to believe that the UK has the lowest population IQ score in Europe.

346920 iansn, replying to iansn, 8, #571 of 1728 🔗

The Times is screaming we are all going to die.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/inside-the-commuter-covid-triangle-1-in-16-are-now-infected-q09sngcnk

1603 = 1.6 persons in 100.
to have 1 in 16 infected the rate would be 6250 per 100,000

The London borough of Barking and Dagenham has the worst infection rate in Britain at 1,603 cases per 100,000 people — 80 times as high as the 20 cases per 100,000 that made quarantine likely when Britons returned from overseas holidays last summer.

Lower down it repeats the case numbers, but this must have been written by a different journo as the maths is different

The ONS figures are based on estimates from its infection survey, which show that about one in 50 people in England, one in 30 in London, and one in 16 in Barking and Dagenham are infected. Case rates per 100,000 are not comparable because they reflect the recorded number of positive tests.

They just scream without thinking or checking even the basics like the maths.

346932 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to iansn, 3, #572 of 1728 🔗

Well that’s embarrassing

346961 ▶▶ RickH, replying to iansn, 3, #573 of 1728 🔗

Indeed – there is the crucial definition of ‘infected’ to contend with.

What it actually means is about a 10x exaggeration of actual levels of actual illness.

346921 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #574 of 1728 🔗

Teachers to be moved up the vaccination priority list, begs the question why? https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/teachers-could-bumped-up-covid-4873381

346926 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to p02099003, 5, #575 of 1728 🔗

because they are frightened

346935 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to p02099003, 6, #576 of 1728 🔗

Because the Government wants to keep schools open and they hope vaccinating teachers will stifle any opposition to schools being open.

346939 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to p02099003, 5, #577 of 1728 🔗

The JCVI hasn’t even had the meeting to consider the next set of priorities for the vaccines yet, let alone made a recommendation, let alone provided that recommendation to the government for a decision.

Why does the corporate media devote so much time and effort to reporting things that have not happened, when they can barely manage to accurately report things that have happened?

346940 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to p02099003, 4, #578 of 1728 🔗

Cynically – This could work in our favour. Disarm probably THE most vocal profession and a shit load of Karens in the process. We can calculate how many biddies they killed by jumping the queue afterwards.

346967 ▶▶ davews, replying to p02099003, 5, #579 of 1728 🔗

As mentioned yesterday it seems there are so many key worker children in school that they are not really closed. At our Zoom church service this morning one of the ladies there said that her daughter was at school for this reason – she works in Tesco, so it is a pretty broad sweep.

Several of those on there this morning, all over 80, have had their jabs now – reports of severe pain at the vaccination place but they all seemed otherwise OK.

347003 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to davews, #580 of 1728 🔗

Which vaccine?

347221 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #581 of 1728 🔗

One woman seemed a little confuse, she said the American one because the Oxford one is harder to store and transport. So I have no idea…

347039 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to davews, 9, #582 of 1728 🔗

Of course she’s a key worker. Imagine what a staff shortage in supermarkets would do to our food supply. People tend to forget the vast armies of people keeping the show on the road and not bleeting about it.

347072 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to p02099003, 3, #583 of 1728 🔗

Shop staff don’t count of course. Plebs.

347196 ▶▶ iane, replying to p02099003, 2, #584 of 1728 🔗

To shut the fockers up – and possibly lose a few (with luck!).

346924 Basileus, 2, #585 of 1728 🔗

Apologies if this has already been posted:

ASSESSING MANDATORY STAY-AT-HOME AND BUSINESS CLOSURE EFFECTS ON
THE SPREAD OF COVID-19

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13484

346927 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 2, #586 of 1728 🔗

Good thought provoking piece from AdapNation

https://adapnation.io/are-you-ready-for-the-raw-truth/

346949 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to smileymiley, 1, #587 of 1728 🔗

thank you, sometimes it sounds easier to be a conformist

346988 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, 2, #588 of 1728 🔗

I sometimes think that it would be easier to love big brother but.you would still be subject to lockdown and all the restrictions and rather be angry with the government then your anger would be on those who you see as breaking the restrictions.
Once you are awake you cannot go back to sleep.

346936 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 5, #590 of 1728 🔗

The evil globalists who think they are the gods, are angry.

347021 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 1, #591 of 1728 🔗

God is angry. And God us bigger than the globalists are.

346937 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #592 of 1728 🔗

Canada –
“MARTIAL LAW: The province of Quebec, Canada is now under police rule. Every night from 8 p.m. to 5 a.m. no-one is allowed onto the streets. Police cars are driving through neighborhoods, sirens blaring, scanning for dissidents to arrest. $6,000 fines – enough to destroy families.”

https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1348076274699350018?s=20

347128 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Basics, 2, #593 of 1728 🔗

That’s absolutely shocking!

346944 Basics, 6, #594 of 1728 🔗

Mighty Irish man calmly puts it how it is to an unlawful Covid Check point on the roads of Ireland.

https://twitter.com/sineadirish_/status/1348009807261921280?s=20
A few moments of extraordinary dash cam footage.

346945 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 4, #595 of 1728 🔗

Seems to me the desire to be vaccinated is due to the fear of serious illness or death from covid19 being overstated by the media, ‘experts’ and the government.

The problem is the irrational fear, and that is unlikely to be resolved if we are incorrectly labelled anti-vaxers.

My parents, in their seventies, have listened to some of what I have to say and looked at evidence I have produced from here and; one of them will have the jab, the other will have the jab but say she hasn’t.

Their good friend is a retired consultant (ENT) and has had the jab, and his son and son’s wife are consultants/surgeons and have had double jabs – and they are advising my parents to take the jab – I am not medically trained or an ‘expert’ so I see where they are coming from.

But I have managed to convince them that the virus is no more deadly than a bad flu season and lockdown does more harm than good.

346974 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Major Panic, 1, #596 of 1728 🔗

Now we don’t have to worry about forcible vaccination or internment, I’m incredibly relaxed about what others choose to do re the vaccine.

346986 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #597 of 1728 🔗

yep,

”Now we don’t have to worry about forcible vaccination or internment”

the major problem starts if this status changes

347026 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Major Panic, 6, #598 of 1728 🔗

Large Government IT projects always fail. That’s why they cannot possibly enforce vaccination or implement a freedom pass, they just don’t have the ability to do it. I don’t doubt that some of the “experts” are advising that they attempt it but hopefully they won’t even try. If they do it will be a spectacular and expensive failure.

347924 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to WasSteph, #599 of 1728 🔗

That hasn’t deterred them with other projects so far.

346947 RickH, replying to RickH, 8, #600 of 1728 🔗

The interview with David Redman has some really good insights.

Apart from the fact that tackling a disease is not ‘a war’ (a misleading image), much holds good. I particularly liked the statement of what should be obvious :

a pandemic is not a public health emergency. It is a public emergency. These are two very different things.”

Giving health professionals a role way out of their level of expertise has been an observable disaster.

347632 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to RickH, 1, #601 of 1728 🔗

With some few exceptions, governments at war try not to panic their citizens, even if it means lying to them. As I have noted elsewhere newspaper reports on the “Spanish Flu” were often censored during WW1 as the authorities in warring nations felt their people had enough cheeriness on their plate because of the war. Whereas the media have frequently sown panic about Covid.

346951 Basileus, #602 of 1728 🔗

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346953 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 9, #603 of 1728 🔗

Well now:

Canadian expert’s research finds lockdown harms are 10 times greater than benefits
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/canadian-experts-research-finds-lockdown-harms-are-10-times-greater-than-benefits

347043 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basileus, 1, #604 of 1728 🔗

He clearly has come a long way, and that is to his credit, but he is still taking for granted the falsehood about face masks.

347159 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Basileus, 2, #605 of 1728 🔗

I’d have it more than 10 times but at least he’s heading in the right direction

346954 Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 20, #606 of 1728 🔗

Further to what I wrote a few days ago about being refused service in the Post Office in Wantage, 3 days later I went back in, armed with this – https://www.laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf

I was very nervous on my way in. Despite my anger over all this I knew it wouldn’t help my cause to get angry with them. I asked to speak to the manager, who I soon realized was “a” manager, and that I probably should have asked to speak to the owner. However, I was able to put my point across and the young man in question was very reasonable. How ridiculous, though, that as I talked to him, for probably 10 minutes, his own mask kept slipping off his nose and he kept having to pull it back up…..

He told me immediately that the policy of not letting anyone in without a mask had been dropped the night before, as it was causing too many problems – I think he meant for the staff who had to enforce it. I wasn’t the only customer who had been refused entry/service. He told me that the owner had decided on the policy “to protect the staff”.

I told him that the policy wasn’t legal. He said that the owner had done his research and because the shop/PO was private property, it was. I remembered reading here that this argument had been used in the case of Tesco versus the ex-cop (Harry?) and not knowing the outcome of that I knew I’d have to come back home and quietly read up on this in order to be sure of my facts. However, I pointed out that they still had the notice on the door banning people from entering without a mask on, and said that if they were dropping the policy then why was that still up? He said in so many words that they were keeping that there in order to put people off…

I did come back home and read up on the facts again, and believe I am right in saying that they cannot ban someone from the shop on the grounds of not wearing a mask, as this is discrimination on the grounds of disability. My next step is to write a letter to the owners to point this out.

It’s not easy is it? It would be so easy to give up and think – well I know now that they won’t barr me, so why bother with the letter? But the notice isn’t legal and I know that plenty of people will be put off by it, and not go in. I find myself wondering if the reason why I see so few people not wearing “face coverings” (as the correct term is) is in fact that they simply can’t bear to enter a shop where everyone else is masked and where they feel as if they are in the wrong.

346966 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 10, #607 of 1728 🔗

If the private property argument is used then the reasons for mask wearing are not covered by the Covid guidelines and become a choice of the property, which falls directly under the Equalities Act. They are preventing you to do business without the means for an altervative. And having the sign is an act of intimidation a bit like saying “No blacks, No dogs, No Irish”

As ever this shitshow is fully at the feet of the government. The PO is trying to colour inside the lines but the lines are becoming dots

346999 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to mhcp, 4, #608 of 1728 🔗

My local council, Bournemouth, told me when I complained at the ‘no mask, no entry’ policy exhibited by various shops also gave me the private business argument, and told me that I would have to go to court under the Discrimination Act, reminding me that that would be expensive, as if I didn’t know. All that I was asking these jobsworths, was to speak to the owners of the premises exhibiting these notices. No, their preference is for enforcing government rules – much easier!

346977 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 7, #609 of 1728 🔗

You should also complain to head of Post Office/ Royal Mail as you are being prevented from accessing their service which is a monopoly.

347647 ▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to ituex, #610 of 1728 🔗

I complained by email the day after the incident but, unsurprisingly, they sent an automatic reply saying in so many words that they were snowed under with complaints at the moment and it might be a while before they got back to me…..

346984 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 8, #611 of 1728 🔗

I had a similar argument with my optician who refused my annual Glaucoma examination. Initially, when I booked my appointment I made it clear that I had an exemption. Ok, she said, no problem. Later I had to reorganise the appointment. This time the rather older lady after enquiring what my exemption was, she refused to make a further appointment, on the grounds of frightening other customers.

I then entered into correspondence with the company and after quoting the government guidelines and the Discrimination Act, they have granted me an appointment! Clearly, if the government was so sure that masks are a thoroughly efficient means of protection no exemption would have been given.

I can’t say that I am looking forward to the appointment, nor to my dentists appointment tomorrow. I haven’t told them that I am exempt.

347011 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to petgor, 3, #612 of 1728 🔗

Be brave. I didn’t tell my dentist and I received nothing but friendliness.

347025 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to petgor, 10, #613 of 1728 🔗

When I asked the hospital I was having surgery in the following day what their policy was on mask exemption (back in early November), the answer I got from the unit receptionist was “I don’t know, nobody has asked me that!” Presumably, nobody had been brave enough to try going in without one for fear of catching the disease.

Next day, I walked in, landyard on, had the surgery (in a proper theatre with surgeon and 4 technicians. Not a single person I had contact with in there tried to persuade me to wear a mask.

The anxiety over having to wear a mask for any length of time was greater than the anxiety caused by the prospect of them cutting a large hole in my foot and patching it up with skin taken from another part of me. The relief of not having to wear one was palpable.

346990 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 1, #614 of 1728 🔗
347006 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 8, #615 of 1728 🔗

Well done for braving that shithole again. I know that awful apprehensiveness. (When merely entering a post office FFS!) But it’s worth it.
You must be right about the heavy proportion of maskoids. I haven’t been inside a supermarket since last May. Click and collect saves me from the nauseating horde of knickerfaces.

346955 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 42, #616 of 1728 🔗

Just been invited down for a drinking session with a fellow sceptic, the guy is Jamaican and the bar we will be tipping back at is in a rough part of town, these guys will be smoking dope and will not give a fuck the plod will stay away and keep there noses out…us Brits should take note,some people don’t Fuck about period…

346998 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #617 of 1728 🔗

Wish I knew a few Jamaicans, then. Presumably they don’t mind if I don’t smoke dope…

346958 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #618 of 1728 🔗

Latest R value = 0.94 calculated for 5th Jan. It’s likely to be below 0.8 now and has been dropping linearly since peak on 18th Dec

New daily infections peaked on 7 Jan

Infectious in society will peak on the 12th Jan

Infectious will have halved by the end of Jan

Nothing to do with lockdown

346962 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #619 of 1728 🔗

R below

346964 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to steve_w, 1, #620 of 1728 🔗

Increase the testing, we need those numbers up! Quick!

346971 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to TheClone, 7, #621 of 1728 🔗

This is the Zoe app – self reported. It won’t be perfect but it is good.

When all this is over I think they will find the Zoe data is the best – we could have ignored the mass testing and even ignored the better ONS/PHE random sampling. Cheap as chips and about as real time as you can get.

346979 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 3, #622 of 1728 🔗

The problem with the Zoe app is that it will conflate symptoms.

All-cause mortality remains the most secure indicator. Unfortunately, there is a built-in necessary time lag

346993 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 4, #623 of 1728 🔗

Yes. I’m sure Zoe will pick up similar symptoms although they will try their best to be specific – an online survey is not a doctor’s diagnosis!

And all cause mortality is the best but the decision makers won’t use it because its so lagged. It will tell us how bad our decisions were in retrospect.

If the government had used the Zoe data only (however faulty it is) we wouldn’t have had the first lockdown. The R value was decreasing linearly from the first day it measured and was going to push the curve down sufficiently to not overwhelm the NHS – all this was clear before 23rd March if you just looked at Zoe data and plotted R.

The below data is the R calculated for a number of countries – it was below 1 everywhere before the 23rd March. Lockdown was unnecessary.

347022 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, 6, #624 of 1728 🔗

ZOE include test data so they are using probabilities from both symptoms and tests to estimate figures. It’s likely to be a pretty good indicator.

That aside, I suspect SAGE (or at least some of them) know full well that infection numbers are slowing or are about to slow down when they choose the timing of lockdowns. It’s too much of a coincidence that the 3 lockdowns have all coincided with what are clearly natural downturns.

Fortunately for them, neither politicians nor the public understand the nuances of the S-I-R process.

347056 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 3, #625 of 1728 🔗

yes, Zoe uses PCR tests to hone their symptoms. they discovered the lack of taste/smell

and yes,SAGE know a peak is coming from looking at R. for the lockdown 2 they were besides themselves that Johnson hestitated and went straight to the press. of course the numbers show it had no effect and the peak was coming anyway

R is what to look for because it happens long before the downturn and hence the downturn coincides with the lockdown. to claim lockdown causes downturns is sub gcse physics

346985 ▶▶▶ PFD, replying to steve_w, #626 of 1728 🔗

Steve, I’m not sure how you are calculating R because there looks to be something wrong to me. According to your chart above the number of new infections peaked about the 7th Jan. This is when R = 1. Whilst that curve is rising R must be > 1. Thus, I don’t see how you can get R peaking around mid December as per your second chart. Can you explain how the calculation is done? Many thanks.

347000 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to PFD, 2, #627 of 1728 🔗

The daily new infections peak is when the R value 5 days ago = 1.

ie new infections today is based on the R value 5 days ago (or whatever you pick as your lag). I have used 5 days infected to infectious and 10 days infectious to recovered (for modelling forward).

347071 ▶▶▶▶▶ PFD, replying to steve_w, #628 of 1728 🔗

That is exactly what I said. The peak infection rate occurred on the 7th January which means R = 1 at or a few days before 7th January. However you have R = 1 on the 17th December. That is 21 days before and not the 5 days accounting for the infectious period.

347074 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PFD, replying to PFD, #629 of 1728 🔗

Neither do I expect R to fall significantly below 1. The virus is endemic now. Moreover, a Gompertz function, or SEIR type model would also predict R settling out after an infection outbreak at a little under 1. This is as per your chart below for countries before March 23rd.

347088 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to PFD, 1, #630 of 1728 🔗

yes I agree. I have forward modelled the infectious in society based on R continuing to drop linearly but hitting a floor of 0.8 (gives half of peak by 4th Feb), 0.6 (halves by 27th Jan)

347081 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to PFD, 2, #631 of 1728 🔗

R is max on 17th Dec, not 1. it drops below 1 a few days before peak new infections. I think you are misreading the R graph

347014 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to PFD, 2, #632 of 1728 🔗

peak infectious is not related to peak R. its when R crosses from above to below 1, we get the peak in new daily infections (self-reported symptomatic) a few days later

346960 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #633 of 1728 🔗

India.MSM thought mask mandate and lockdown was behind the low impact of C-19 in India.
There were other reasons. Home treatment and prophylaxis of HCW. This is now in massive use on a local level in India and Bangladesh although, officially, the highest Medical authorities try to keep a restrictive line in accordance with Big Pharma. But in the field everyone is using it.

https://trialsitenews.com/an-unlikely-nation-is-kicking-this-pandemic-guess-which-then-why/

346970 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #634 of 1728 🔗

It’s been known for a long time that governmental interventions are a very minor part of mitigation. Population and climate factors are the key determinants of incidence.

346994 ▶▶ Annie, replying to swedenborg, 4, #635 of 1728 🔗

Also a far younger population than in western Europe?

346969 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 2, #636 of 1728 🔗

David Redmond’s point is also that “do not get bogged down in fantastical weeds”. It follows the OODA principle that they have in the US: Observe, Orient, Decide, Act.

The mistake was having no sense of proportion and handling over decision making to modelling. Even simplistic modelling, without considering the impact of input uncertainties.

So the first thing to ask when your model says 500,000 deaths is “Really?” – how certain are you? Because we know that 64,000 deaths in one month apparently is fine (Jan 2018). We know that 100,000 odd deaths in the past is fine.

So how much can we handle and who is vunerable?

Otherwise you get all this idiocy and then the mob thinking that they are in the right etc etc.

347154 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, 3, #637 of 1728 🔗

Your point is central.

I have come across a range of ‘scientists’ who have technical/mathematical skills in very limited areas.

The problem is that they are useless outside these narrow fields, because, in their rush for a PhD, they forgot to read the introductory chapters about data and analysis.

… and the key command, before turning on the model is ‘FUCKING LOOK!’

… and after running the model, the key command is ‘FUCKING LOOK!’.

346973 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 14, #638 of 1728 🔗

Saw this on inform Scotland:-

“It is worth noting that while Spanish Flu caused a peak in deaths of around 25 per 1000 population, the Covid-19 epidemic in Scotland peaked at 0.015 deaths per 1000 population.”

What a pandemic this is!

347612 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to JHUNTZ, #639 of 1728 🔗

So far the world death toll is something of the order of 2 in every 10,000. For this we brought civilisation low…

346975 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 5, #640 of 1728 🔗

There’s something I’ve been noticing for a while now.

Firstly, I don’t want to tread on anybody’s toes, hurt anyone’s feelings or insult anyone. I realize that some of us here may be autistic or have loved ones who are autistic. So, please don’t misunderstand me.

What I have been noticing is the normalization of autism.

Then I saw this today in an Austrian science magazine (German)

https://science.orf.at/stories/3200889/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-de-DE

The title translated means:

“The Autist – ideal human for the present’

There has been an opinion for years that vaccines can induce autism.

A world of masks and social distancing and saturated with technology goes well with autism.

Thoughts anyone?

346982 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to rockoman, 2, #641 of 1728 🔗

you may be right, but maybe the bedwetters are not autistic but have simply been mis-informed, and are now anchored in their beliefs about covid19

346983 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to rockoman, 6, #642 of 1728 🔗

Those with autism are the perfect workers for capitalist society, especially for corporations like Amazon. Don’t question, don’t organise for better conditions, just obey the slave rules.

346991 ▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 3, #643 of 1728 🔗

I think that there is a good case to be made that a certain section of the medical-science community who fanatically support lockdowns and mask-wearing are probably betraying an impaired social functioning that relates to some autistic symptoms. At worst it blends into sociopathy.

347008 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to rockoman, 4, #644 of 1728 🔗

Autists make good software testers. I remember reading of Scandinavian software houses who recognised this and recruited them specifically for testing roles. Perhaps other organisations have done too.

347103 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to rockoman, 8, #645 of 1728 🔗

I’ve got a form of Autism (Asperger’s) and I despise masks (where I can’t see human faces is ghastly) and all the other social distancing crap. In fact I hate masks to the point where I’d happily pile them up, pour petrol on them and set them all alight! I’m not a massive socialite but what the government have done to society is unforgivable and I will happily stand up and defend peoples right to human interaction. I also prefer face to face communication then using social media. I actually can’t really relate to much digital technology. I use a laptop for writing on here but I can’t stand smartphones (have a good old nokia candybar job) as I think they are little more then spying gizmos. I have a lot of fun in shops trying to read the QR code with it to wind up the little Hitlers! I hope the world does not become a technocracy, that sounds like hell.

347607 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rockoman, #646 of 1728 🔗

I don’t know about it being normalised – I suspect it is over-diagnosed.

346992 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 19, #647 of 1728 🔗

From the Telegraph “Police were right to fine two women £200 each for driving five miles from their home for a walk, Matt Hancock has said, as he warned the public to follow the rules because “every flex can be fatal”.” Every flex can be fatal has replaced a careless cough cost lives. Pass the sick bag Alice.

347047 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to arfurmo, 2, #648 of 1728 🔗

Thanks for the insight Judge Hancock! Has he even read his own ridiculous regulations?

347053 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #649 of 1728 🔗

he must be discussing this new imaginary law – the spirit of lockdown

347163 ▶▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to Major Panic, 10, #650 of 1728 🔗

I really think “the spirit of lockdown” is the most dangerous thing to have emerged in the last couple of weeks. We’re no longer expected to obey the law but whatever Mr Hancock or some policeman feels the law should say. Fixed penalties appear to be being used to enforce a second unwritten set of rules that have not been cleared by Parliament and it’s hard even to pin down what those rules are. Those two walkers were clearly on a perfectly legal walk. What’s more, the fact that people are allowed to meet and exercise outdoors in pairs explicitly envisions this exact scenario.

347098 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to arfurmo, 3, #651 of 1728 🔗

I already know the answer but why doesn’t the media take Wancock to task over this. If a ‘Minister’ says guidance is law then we can’t blame plod.

347101 ▶▶ TC, replying to arfurmo, 3, #652 of 1728 🔗

If the msm continue to give air time and mileage to people like him and flatter his utterances then they only encourage him and his ilk.
Rats congregate around food sources.
Don’t feed them because then you have to shoot them and we can’t have that,can we?

347002 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #653 of 1728 🔗

There is an issue that I think needs to be addressed once the vulnerable are vaccinated and hopefully protected.

It is possible that many of them may still test positive and subsequently die. If this issue is not addressed then it will put a spanner in the works for getting us out of all this.

347023 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Nobody2021, #654 of 1728 🔗

It also may put a spanner in the current farce of lockdown till everyone vaccinated – if you are in danger of death 28 days after a positive test and after having taken the vaccine then we are back to natural herd immunity as the only solution

looking forward to them trying to spin their way out of that one, they will have to stop testing the vaccinated

347024 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #655 of 1728 🔗

It will the. depend which way the Fascists decide to skew their lies.

347065 ▶▶▶ MaxPower, replying to Annie, 2, #656 of 1728 🔗

They’ll no doubt reduce the number of cycles on PCR to prove the vaccine is working

347004 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 18, #657 of 1728 🔗

Just bear in mind, dear sceptics,the ‘R’ number has no meaning whatsoever outside Ferguson’s modelling morons. Can you imagine one virion saying to another “well done mate, the person you infected is going to do for 1.2 others!” and then they smack their capsids together, laugh and float off round Tesco’s customers masks?

347136 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bungle, 2, #658 of 1728 🔗

Yes. I’m surprised at those here who see the ‘R’ number as something other than a modeller’s mythical variable.

… and we know where modelling gets you!

347005 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #659 of 1728 🔗

Devi the gobshite lunatic has spoken…

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-adviser-says-lockdown-23292647

She say’s the lockdown in Scotland should last for another 12 weeks!!!!
I expect el Presidente to implement that for even longer now.

347013 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 7, #660 of 1728 🔗

El Presidente may not last another 12 weeks given the growing scandal about the Alex Salmond stitch up – see wingsoverscotland.com

347018 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #661 of 1728 🔗

True but she will be desperate to make our lives even more miserable to distract from the scandal.

347015 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 5, #662 of 1728 🔗

If England relaxes before Scotland i’m moving down South even just to rent for a few months. Any level less than this shitshow will do.

347258 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #663 of 1728 🔗

Remembering what the Great Panjandrum said about the high road leading to England…

347037 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #664 of 1728 🔗

Our one in England can last until March 31

Again she’s going with the ‘only immunity through vaccination’ agenda. How much funding did she get from Gates Foundation?

347007 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 16, #666 of 1728 🔗

A few things to note due to the opportunity to talk to more people over Christmas/ New Year:-

  • people do not understand or care that masks are an obedience test even mild sceptics. We are never winning this battle.
  • people do not care about false positives even mild sceptics. Also, in their mind a positive test is proof of COVID infection you can’t program them out of this.
  • people aren’t interested in accepting that Sweden etc have done okay even mild sceptics

I’m sure there are some exceptions to this rule but it’s not far off my experiences. I think the best tact and the reason for the recent lack of compliance is to terrify people that we might never get past these lockdowns/ restrictions. Advise them that even with vaccines SAGE still want restrictions and possibly lockdowns.

Regardless of what the polls say the novelty of lockdowns is no longer. People are no longer getting by on virtue they want an end date to this madness.

347036 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #667 of 1728 🔗

You can see the same conformity across climate, Covid, systemic racism, the Patriarchy etc. It’s not about facts and people will duck them. They are in groups which have invested heavily in these narratives and get their sociability and belongingness via this shared belief set. To genuinely step outside the belief risks alienation from the group through which your life has meaning. It is easier not to surface any empiricist temptation unless and until the cost becomes to high.

347060 ▶▶▶ MaxPower, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 5, #668 of 1728 🔗

Definitely- I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Identity groupthink!

347019 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #669 of 1728 🔗

I just want to point out that the people spreading the virus are mainly those who are following the rules.

If most people are following the rules then you would have to believe that a minority of rule breakers are going out of their way to travel the length and breadth of the UK to ensure everybody is getting their fair share.

Or maybe it’s just the millions of people who are legitimately moving around that are spreading it.

347032 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Nobody2021, 16, #670 of 1728 🔗

Maybe because it’s impossible to stop a microscopic sized virus from spreading.A truth so evident that it’s never been tried on this scale before.

347079 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #671 of 1728 🔗

You can’t say that!!!!
No – really – you can’t!

347254 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #672 of 1728 🔗

Rules
Are for fools
Who take their children out of schools.

347112 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Caramel, 14, #674 of 1728 🔗

I’d suggest that if you’ve lost your job and are stuck in a high rise flat for 23 hours a day the horrible bits considerably outweigh the interesting or great ones.

347125 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 4, #675 of 1728 🔗

For once, I can unreservedly agree with you.

Why do people like Goldacre feel unashamed about advertising their profoundly autistic stupidity?

I know …. because they are profoundly stupid.

347174 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to RickH, #676 of 1728 🔗

His mother was a famous singer you know!

347035 godowneasy, 12, #677 of 1728 🔗

Good article by Rob Slane: http://www.theblogmire.com/the-masks-are-coming-off/

Couple of extracts:
Yet despite 2020 craziness, it doesn’t seem like it will hold a candle to 2021. If the first week or so is any barometer, it may be that 2020 was just the trailer or the warm-up act for the real thing. We’ve already seen the Chief Medical Adviser telling people who don’t have an illness to act as if they do have an illness. We’ve already seen the rollout of a vaccine, the study for which is not due to be completed until on 27th January 2023. And we’ve already seen international organisations telling us that restrictions are likely to continue for the foreseeable future…

Yet the real story of 2021 — if anyone is allowed to tell it — is likely to be mass censorship. What we are already seeing is, ironically, an unmasking. If 2020 was the year in which people put their Masks on, 2021 is already shaping up to be the year when the Globalists and Global Pravda really take theirs off. They are really going for it, blatantly censoring dissent, brazenly de-platforming alternative views, and shamelessly using technology to ensure that reasoned, fact-based challenges to establishment narratives are silenced.

347038 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #678 of 1728 🔗

I’ve not seen any stats in the news on how well the economy is doing recently, anyone else?

347077 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #679 of 1728 🔗

The economy no longer matters (if it ever did). Covid figures are the ONLY thing that matters.

347134 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #680 of 1728 🔗

The economy? Is there one?

347359 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to captainbeefheart, #681 of 1728 🔗

We need to stay safe, nobody cares about economy

347042 MaxPower, replying to MaxPower, 1, #682 of 1728 🔗

Anyone listen to the Tom Woods podcast? It’s very good.

347049 ▶▶ leggy, replying to MaxPower, 1, #683 of 1728 🔗

I haven’t found time often, but I’ve subscribed to his mailing list and his email updates are excellent although obviously US centric. Highly recommended.

347046 swedenborg, 6, #685 of 1728 🔗

Remember the age of death 40 years lower than C-19. If these are not shocking figures, please tell me which are. Also shocking the total indifference for drug addicts amongst the progressive “new” left.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/01/04/more-young-men-in-western-canada-died-than-expected-last-year-and-not-just-because-of-covid-19.html?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMedia&utm_campaign=National&utm_content=

 “In western Canada: -7,172 people under 45 have died in 2020 -That’s 1,385 more than average -Less than 50 were from CV19 -81% were men -Substance abuse is at record highs Lockdowns are more risky than Covid-19 for the vast majority of people.

347048 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 2, #686 of 1728 🔗

BBC Hardtalk Niel Ferguson, Epidemiologist, Imperial College London. Best I keep my thoughts to myself…Should be renamed Hardlisten.

347076 ▶▶ CGL, replying to yohodi, 2, #687 of 1728 🔗

Nuff said I think

347054 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 33, #688 of 1728 🔗

Took a week off there as had a bit of a breakdown following turdgeons announcement of a lockdown. It didn’t affect what I was able to do one iota it was just the never ending doom and futility of the situation.

I decided to take a week of social media and this site. I completely disengaged from anything COVID and avoiuded any conversations about it. I even wore a mask a couple of times in shops as I couldn’t of handled the conflict. Watched TV and played games like a good zombie. I guess this is just an appeal to anyone struggling that some of us aren’t cut out to fight this week in week out. This does feel a lot like David and Goliath. It’s okay to check out for a week particularly during these horrible winter months.

347085 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #689 of 1728 🔗

Excellent advice

347087 ▶▶ TC, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #690 of 1728 🔗

R & R.
Understood.
Come back to the war refreshed.

347251 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #691 of 1728 🔗

Of course it’s ok. Survival is what matters. Take a break and come back fighting fit.

347280 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #692 of 1728 🔗

Everybody has to assess their options now and again
Welcome back

347066 alw, replying to alw, 27, #693 of 1728 🔗

Wonderful comment seen in the Torygraph.

”Matt Hancock continues to prove that he is, what my mother used to call, a complete clot. The term clot to my mother’s generation was a euphemism for idiot but everyone knew just what they meant.
As for the Plod, they appear to be too stupid to understand that a picnic involves roasted chicken legs, sandwiches, coleslaw and a nice bottle of chilled Chablis.”

347070 ▶▶ ituex, replying to alw, 6, #694 of 1728 🔗

And a rug ( or chairs) you can’t have a picnic walking around

347132 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to alw, 7, #695 of 1728 🔗

And scotch eggs.

347201 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #696 of 1728 🔗

Ha – had already forgotten the happy days of scotch egg debates

347069 mj, replying to mj, 10, #697 of 1728 🔗

just watched the film “The Big Short” that was on BBC2 last night (and on iplayer).
It is all about the financial greed and stupidity that caused the banking collapse 12 years ago.
However watched in terms of the financial catastrophe that lockdown and massive government debt will cause, it is fascinating and worth a watch

347078 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mj, 2, #698 of 1728 🔗

I watched it last night too. Amazing. The fact that these guys had to hold their nerve, the sceptics one might say, when all others just wanted them to go away and stop talking down their baby, was very poignant

347100 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #699 of 1728 🔗

Great film. The only bit I didn’t like was the geek gambling his clients money. He was doing really bad but held his nerve and did really good. He’s still gambling with his clients money! He should be investing with some risk/reward balance

347114 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to steve_w, 1, #700 of 1728 🔗

As a senior investment manager in NY told me many years ago – ‘If I underperform by 10% I get sacked. If I outperform by 10% I get sacked’. Of course with the explosion of hedge funds in the 2000s, a whole array of different strategies emerged with client money pledges with varying degrees of oversight. Your risk/reward premise is still correct, however.

347106 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mj, 1, #701 of 1728 🔗

That’s interesting. You and I obviously started seeing the same parallels regarding the construction of myths and the gullibility of the audience for them. Again – just a few read the actual numbers.

347118 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to mj, 2, #702 of 1728 🔗

Also interesting that Michael Burry – a medic – is an arch lockdown sceptic.

347080 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #704 of 1728 🔗
347220 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Londo Mollari, #705 of 1728 🔗

AWS also own a lot of the infrastructure underpinning servers as far as I know.

https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/global_network/

How much you can actually exit this kind of control structure is doubtful for me. You need governments to regulate such private power but when such companies dwarf many countries in terms of wealth, you wonder how that can even be achieved now

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/25-giant-companies-that-earn-more-than-entire-countries-2018-7%3famp

Not least because much of the government IT estate is now moving now AWS, Azure and Oracle.

347082 New name old face, replying to New name old face, 4, #706 of 1728 🔗

Look at this. Devi says we can’t go on locking down forever.
https://mobile.twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1348200475569610753
Ferguson says herd immunity on the way.
They’re changing their approach.

347093 ▶▶ ituex, replying to New name old face, 2, #707 of 1728 🔗

Have you read the replies? It’s all ‘more lockdowns’ ‘rule breakers’ …..

347122 ▶▶▶ New name old face, replying to ituex, 2, #708 of 1728 🔗

I havent. I bet I know who they are tho’. Probably typical of her followers.

One senior person in virology the other day tweeted something along the lines of “I think I agree with a Devi about zero Covid”. Now what’s that about… Why “I think”? He’s the scientist and knows what’s possible.

If the handlers are changing their narrative, the scientists will follow soon.

I imagine that people are so lacklustre with lockdowns and it’s really not a case of revolt or dissent, just a personal risk choice people are making and justifying it to themselves.

So unless they follow the herd and the herd is seemingly hanging loose right now and probably can’t buy into the extreme level of fear they are propagating, then they have to seem like they’re controlling the narrative.

Judging by my market town yesterday, doubling down has no hope!

347214 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ituex, 1, #709 of 1728 🔗

The comments are awful. This myth that a vaccine is the way out seems like fingers in ears stuff.

It’s clear all sides are sick of lockdowns, now they just want to tell themselves that taking the vaccine is your ticket to freedom? No idea of immunity, impact on deaths, length of immunity, if b there even is immunity rather than just impact on symptoms.

They will just tell themselves whatever story works it seems

347419 ▶▶▶▶ New name old face, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #710 of 1728 🔗

My mistake. She’s Covid Zero. She’s added another tweet to the thread.

https://mobile.twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1348297038845370369

Oh well!

347108 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to New name old face, 10, #711 of 1728 🔗

Professor Sridar is pushing for Zero Covid through Asia-style quarantines and masks everywhere. Professor Ferguson is pushing for lockdown until Autumn when we have all been vaccinated. Remember, neither is a medic, Sridar completed her science training in Biology at age 18, and Ferguson did not even do O Level Biology. Neither should be anywhere near an advisory board associated with medical and/or scientific interventions.

347130 ▶▶▶ New name old face, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #712 of 1728 🔗

She may be but she says here that peoples sacrifices need to have an outcome. That is what they’ve missed from the very start. They’ve lost trust and hope so I reckon people are just getting on with it.

Check from the people. Your move government and advisors.

347144 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to New name old face, 3, #713 of 1728 🔗

And Biden’s about to be inaugurated…yep, they’re preparing thd ground for the “we won” celebration thanks to lockdowns, masks and vaccines. Remember Twat Ferguson was all over America in the early part of 2020 spreading alarm and despondency. Who invited him over?

347149 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to OKUK, 2, #714 of 1728 🔗

Bill Gates checking on his investment perhaps?

347151 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to New name old face, #715 of 1728 🔗

what happened to zero covid? it does feel like this lockdown is the last throw of the dice and they will claim success and its back to normal. the masks for 5-10 years at the prof said is for the fairies

347083 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #716 of 1728 🔗

Just done my duty and dived into the crazy world of BBC news – this has got to win some kind of prize FFS. I need to take a break now.

Covid-19: Nurse isolating in caravan for nine months moves back home https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-55136975

A nurse who lived in a caravan for nine months to protect her mother from coronavirus says moving back into her house was like “winning the lottery”.

Sarah Link and her husband Gary, who usually share a home with her mother, bought the caravan in March to allow them to isolate.

“I have cried a river in the caravan, if it wasn’t for Gary, I wouldn’t have got through it,” Mrs Link said.

They moved back home for Christmas after her mother received the vaccine.

347092 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to godowneasy, 12, #717 of 1728 🔗

Pathetic these people

347124 ▶▶ Annie, replying to godowneasy, 9, #718 of 1728 🔗

The nasty part of me would laugh like a drain in mum got covvie and they caught it off her.

347146 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to godowneasy, 2, #719 of 1728 🔗

“You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din”.

347202 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to godowneasy, 6, #720 of 1728 🔗

you’d have to have a heart of stone not to laugh

347238 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JaneHarry, #721 of 1728 🔗

I wish I’d said that, Whistler……you will, Oscar, you will.
Without YouTubing it to check, I seem to recall the next line in that sketch was something along the lines of Whenever I think of Boris Johnson, I think of a stream of bat’s piss…..

347246 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #722 of 1728 🔗

That’s quite a hard thing to visualise, luckily.

347210 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 2, #723 of 1728 🔗

They will take the vaccine but willfully disregard the Van Tam Diktat to keep up the SD and masks.

It may as well be a placebo. Just to shake these idiots out of their tree

347233 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to godowneasy, 1, #724 of 1728 🔗

I wouldn’t trust this idiot to tell me the time, never mind cannulate me.

347467 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, #725 of 1728 🔗

What a retard

347084 chaos, replying to chaos, 14, #726 of 1728 🔗

My ex now informs me she has tested positive for covid. Bleating on about how bad it is.

I am thinking of suicide again.. I don’t want to live amidst the pig dictator’s destruction..

347099 ▶▶ iansn, replying to chaos, 13, #727 of 1728 🔗

stay strong brother, you are many many better than you imagine. Stop over thinking everything as best you can, focus on the good in your life and get help as best you can. Your ex is your EX pay no heed to her. Focus on the your present and your future, dont let her drag you into the dark past. If you need to talk to someone lets arrange it. Ive been there, I know how you feel

347110 ▶▶ John P, replying to chaos, 7, #728 of 1728 🔗

Samaritans: 116 123

You are better to tell them about it. And if you don’t like the person who responds put the phone down, call again and speak to someone else.

347119 ▶▶ Annie, replying to chaos, 11, #729 of 1728 🔗

Break off contact with your ex. Brew a cuppa. Do something you really enjoy.
Fuck ’em.
Remember that pigs end up as pork.

347129 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Annie, #730 of 1728 🔗

I take it you’re not Jewish then Annie?

347190 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to John P, 2, #731 of 1728 🔗

I’m not Jewish so I may have this wrong. I think they choose not to eat pork but don’t object to dead pigs. By that I mean pigs aren’t sacred, just their meat is not acceptable. I think a pig dictator rotting in the alleyway would be a happy result.
I’m getting vindictive again. Perhaps time for a break.

347243 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 3, #732 of 1728 🔗

No. But if I were, pigs would still end up as pork, even if I wasn’t eating it.

347133 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to chaos, 9, #733 of 1728 🔗

Chaos, just put the phone in the drawer when she calls. Unless you share children you have no reason to speak to her. The pig dictator will not survive much longer – he has his mother-in-law, or should I say, his mistress’s mother, who herself was someone’s mistress – living with him now.

347172 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #734 of 1728 🔗

No wonder he always looks shit.

347267 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to John P, 1, #735 of 1728 🔗

Made me laugh! Thanks!

347086 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #736 of 1728 🔗

I found Beatrice Gove’s comment about a baby boom after all this quite amusing.

How does Michael Gove feel about being a grandfather I wonder.

347109 ▶▶ John P, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #737 of 1728 🔗

Given that Beatrice is only sixteen probably none too keen at the moment.

347131 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to John P, 5, #738 of 1728 🔗

She should receive a fixed penalty notice. Clearly been “socialising” contrary to the regulations.

347148 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to WasSteph, 4, #739 of 1728 🔗

Her father is the one pushing for lockdowns apparently. Then Mrs Gove keeps writing completely contradictory articles in the Mail. Are they all living together?

347170 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #740 of 1728 🔗

Regularly playing “Happy Families”.

I’m sure there’s a law against that somewhere …

(joke).

347089 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #741 of 1728 🔗

1/2
re Not Homeschooling but Distance Learning – Shared from another page. Give this man a medal!

Message from Mr. Hellett Headteacher at Sacred Heart School, Hastings

Dear Parents and Carers,
Lots of people are feeling stressed, overwhelmed and under pressure by everything that’s happening. This includes the work being sent home for your child. I wanted to just give my perspective on it all as a Headteacher and I hope this can help with that somewhat.

A few points to note first:

1) This is not homeschooling . This is an unprecedented emergency situation impacting on the whole world. Let’s keep perspective. Homeschooling is a choice, where you considered, you plan for it and you are your child’s school teacher in whatever form you choose. This is, at best, distance learning . In reality, it’s everyone trying to separate their bums from their elbows, because none of us know what we’re doing and what’s right and wrong here.

2) You are, and always have been, your child’s primary educator. If you decide that your child isn’t going to engage with anything sent home and is going to spend the entire period playing in the dirt, or baking, or watching TV, then that is your choice. That is your right. There is nothing to stress or feel guilty about.

3) Schools don’t know what they’re doing either. They had no notice, no preparation time and we were NOT told to ‘continue to plan lessons as normal and just send them home’ – that’s NOT possible. If it were, we’d all be out of a job!

4) It is absolutely not possible to facilitate distance learning with a primary aged child and work from home at the same time. The very idea is nonsense. If you’re trying to do that, stop now. You can certainly have activities where your child learns, but your focus is your job, and survival. Again, unprecedented. Stop trying to be superheroes.

So, a few FAQs:

– My school has sent home lots of physical work. Pages and pages, hours and hours. How am I supposed to get through it all?!

You’re not, don’t try. Your child’s teacher spent a couple of hours in utter panic gathering things to send home so they could say they did their best and there wasn’t a lot of complaints that enough didn’t go home. It’s not a competition, or a race, it’s unlikely the teacher will even manage to look at it all.

– My school keeps sending home links and emails with more work. How do I make it stop? Ahhhhhh!

See above. These are suggestions and ideas because the school is worried they’re not offering enough. Use them if they suit you, don’t if they don’t suit. If you’re getting stressed, stop opening the emails. No one will know!

– Someone in my child’s class has everything done and we’ve barely started. Will they fall behind?

Even if everything were equal in terms of support, time and number of children (which it’s not) all children learn at different rates. In the class there’s a wide range of levels in all subjects, there’s different paces and there are many children working on differentiated levels of work. It’s almost impossible for teachers to differentiate at the moment, so you don’t have to do it either.

Your child will not fall behind. This is all revision and reminder work. If children could all learn new concepts without specific teaching, we wouldn’t need teachers. They will cover all of this again, multiple times.

– I’m not doing any work with my kids. All they’re doing is building Lego, cooking and playing outside.

All of this is learning -very valuable learning. Give yourself and them a break.

– How can I get three different lots of work done with 3 different kids of different ages?

You can’t, stop trying. If they’re old enough, try to get them to do little bits independently. Otherwise try to do something they can all engage with, reading a story together, some free writing, baking etc.

– So what’s the bare minimum you’d expect?

For me, survival mode. I won’t pretend that may be true of all teachers, but you know what?, if they can’t have perspective in a time like this then I wouldn’t overly worry about their opinion anyway.

347091 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #742 of 1728 🔗

2/2

My ideal for the children in our school?

– A bit of reading every day (independent or to them or via audiobook etc)

– Some free writing now and then. If they’ll keep a diary or something, great. If not, would they draw a comic?

– Practical hands on maths. Be that via cooking, cleaning, outside or some maths games, physical or digital.

– Some fine motor work. Lego, cutting, playdough, tidying up small toys.

– Physical exercise everyday

– Some art/music where possible through the week. Doesn’t need to be guided.

-Stretch goal, if old enough getting them to independently work on a project is great for keeping brains ticking over. Get them researching in a book or online and putting together something to present to you or family.

– If younger, lots of imaginative free play, the more independent the better.

You are doing enough. You are loving your kids and supporting them through a difficult time. Look after yourself. Minimising stress is absolutely vital in a time like this for mental health. Don’t let this be something that stresses you. Only you can control that by accepting it is in your circle of control, you are the primary educator and this is all your call.

347096 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 15, #743 of 1728 🔗

Yes – pretty sensible. Except for :

This is an unprecedented emergency situation”

No it isn’t. It’s a wilfully created political crisis.

347105 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, -7, #744 of 1728 🔗

I don’t think either you or her are right about that.

347186 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 3, #745 of 1728 🔗

In what ways? There’s certainly no ‘unprecedented  medical emergency.

347111 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to RickH, 4, #746 of 1728 🔗

Well it is an unprecedented emergency situation. The cause is the government’s overreaction to a >99% survivable virus. But for parents and those teachers making the effort (I believe a very large number are), this is a catastrophic emergency. My kids are adults now but I shiver at the thought of teaching them at home, with their different strengths and abilities. I am the parent of 2 people in very different walks of life and neither could have succeeded in the other’s sphere. I just don’t know how I could have taught them together.

347126 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to WasSteph, 7, #747 of 1728 🔗

Well it is an unprecedented emergency situation.

No it isn’t, it’s a gross overreaction.

347141 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to John P, 2, #748 of 1728 🔗

Did you read my second sentence?

347161 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to WasSteph, 1, #749 of 1728 🔗

It is this government that is pushing the “unprecedented emergency” trope.

I am not going to agree with them.

347164 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to WasSteph, 3, #750 of 1728 🔗

I agree, the government’s action is causing a great deal of harm.

Happy with that?

347113 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RickH, 2, #751 of 1728 🔗

It’s both.

347121 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Annie, #752 of 1728 🔗

Again, I disagree. The situation we find ourselves in this Winter is not unprecedented. The NHS is in crisis every winter.

As for “wilful”, well it has certainly been done by this government, but I don’t think they are doing it for nefarious reasons.

347156 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Annie, 5, #753 of 1728 🔗

It is an unprecedented emergency as far as anyone who cares about children’s education is concerned. What has caused that emergency is another matter!

347160 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Charlie Blue, #754 of 1728 🔗

Yes, but Annie doesn’t clarify that this is what she means.

It is this government that is pushing the “unprecedented emergency” trope.

I am not going to agree with them.

347192 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to John P, 1, #755 of 1728 🔗

Any couples who get fed up of the performance of state schools might find this organisation useful; it was founded many years ago

https://www.educationotherwise.org/

347240 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 4, #756 of 1728 🔗

I mean that it us an unprecedented emergency entirely caused by government idiocy – or malevolence.

347090 Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 9, #757 of 1728 🔗

Some very good pieces on LS today, both in the main part and round-up. Makes me feel a tad better that people cleverer than me think the same way and is an antidote to the official propaganda – which I avoid but know is here.

347097 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 8, #758 of 1728 🔗

Nice to see our boys in blue keeping us safe. How much blood on her hands if she had not been arrested? Grannies can sleep safely tonight https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/woman-arrested-sitting-bench-police-23292619

347104 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to arfurmo, 8, #759 of 1728 🔗

Picking low hanging fruit BUT no will to address real crime

347143 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to arfurmo, 1, #760 of 1728 🔗

She wouldn’t have beeen sitting on that bench if she hadn’t been listening to the heretics and witches. The corruption of god fearing good people is widespread.

347102 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #761 of 1728 🔗

re David Redmond ex military – great article

The first step to resolving emergencies is to respect the planning process.

Maybe more ex military people should work for the government to improve planning and execution

347236 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 1, #762 of 1728 🔗

Execution, certainly. Do they still practise firing squads? A few of those in the right places would solve the problem..

347295 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Victoria, #763 of 1728 🔗

you mean like that twat Rory Stewart? There are 48 of them already https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics

347107 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 22, #764 of 1728 🔗

I have some observations regarding the current enhanced police enforcement. It seems to me that the incidents recently reported in the MSM (and I think we can expect more of them to come) are a strategy of targeting non threatening members of the community, usually by a phalanx of officers, where there is no conceivable risk of pushback to the officers concerned. I see them doing this deliberately so as (to quote Voltaire) “pour encourager les autres”.
I’d be very surprised if these tactics were carried out in the rougher parts of cities or, dare one say, in the neighbourhoods of large ethnic minority groups. Far easier to target those less likely to resist.

In addition, it also seems obvious to me that the police forces themselves are major transmitters of the virus (if we are to believe the current thinking that c40% of the population are asymptomatic carriers) there is surely an argument that police officers should not patrol in groups at all.

347137 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to vargas99, 9, #765 of 1728 🔗

It’s also a money-making scam so not much point in going to areas where everyone is on benefits!

347198 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to vargas99, 5, #766 of 1728 🔗

If the police don’t stay at home, people will die.

347234 ▶▶ Annie, replying to vargas99, 2, #767 of 1728 🔗

It’s ok, no worries, they all wear face knickers.

347255 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to vargas99, 1, #768 of 1728 🔗

I thought that too, but it’s also been seen in the dark media so probably real enough. But it;s emerged that some police have tried to enforce guidance rather than the law. They’re not so keen on enforcing all the law though.

347263 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to vargas99, 3, #769 of 1728 🔗

Exactly right. And deploy your scarce resources round unavoidable social choke-points like railway stations, where you can, as it were, shoot fish in a barrel. Which is what’s happening.

347116 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #770 of 1728 🔗

“Schools being open is a public health measure that likely slows the spread of COVID

This phrase has been used to have the schools open

It is right to have schools open but it doesn’t slow spread.

The underlying comment is absolute spot on.

“Technically, it doesn’t slow it more than shift the spread into a demography that can cope with it with negligible collateral damage. The slow measurement is an artifact of not detecting the cases because they don’t require any medical follow up.

https://twitter.com/federicolois/status/1348073065746468865

 This is the best description of the whole artefact situation with mass testing and any testing. We are always either late with testing and always chasing the virus when it has already spread. If the virus does not mean anything in outcome it can spread so rapidly that we cannot measure it in time. In the start of the pandemic ,we had too few tests and could not estimate the true infection rate. Now we have too much testing but cannot still chase the virus meandering its way through the population. Therefore I think all mathematical calculations, R factors are essentially clever artefacts because the virus is always much faster.

347204 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 5, #771 of 1728 🔗

It’s all so painfully reminiscent of tbe pre 2020 pandemic research which said that closing schools was only advisable during the initial epidemic phase to relieve pressure on health provision. After that, you need to close the entire society as it only shifts the burden to other areas. You will ultimately have no discernable effect on overall mortality. Even the WHOs own documents state this.

Now, in 2020/21 its time for scientific experimentation on steroids. Driven by bad science, impossible goals such as zero Covid, political opportunism (teaching unions) and a total disregard for human rights and the education of our children.

I am a parent and with this, the most important decision ever made by a principal, they do it by email. No meeting called, no canvassing of the views of parents, no town hall gathering. We are not even asked. They have extinguished many areas where there can be a spark of opposition among us, where people can gather and exchange some anger.

It’s all left to pointless what’s app groups driven by busy body parents.

347117 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 7, #772 of 1728 🔗

Well this is my last day of packing before I move out tomorrow. Friends who had previously said they would help on moving day tried to say no, claiming it would be illegal to help me – I had to point out that we’re in a bubble so they can. The wife came to help with packing for 1 1/2 hours (the first half an hour was her going on about her family problems), and since then crickets. I hope they come tomorrow, because the larger furniture will be impossible alone…

347175 ▶▶ John P, replying to this is my username, #773 of 1728 🔗

crickets?

347283 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to this is my username, 2, #775 of 1728 🔗

People love using covid as an excuse not to help.

347120 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 14, #776 of 1728 🔗

Got an exciting day tomorrow. I’m off to the tip. On a good day, now, this is an outing of at least a couple of hours. The wait is good, listening to music, having the occasional chat with other drivers from the ‘safety’ of the car. I’m able to get out of the car and take as long as I like, ‘struggling’ with stuff, as no one makes any effort to help ie move it all along more quickly.

347123 ▶▶ John P, replying to DanClarke, 2, #777 of 1728 🔗

Each to his own.

347127 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to John P, 5, #778 of 1728 🔗

Indeed, desperate times.

347152 ▶▶ Tangelo, replying to DanClarke, 6, #779 of 1728 🔗

I love going to the dump and chucking things in the skips too. Very cathartic.

347178 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tangelo, 1, #780 of 1728 🔗

now we have to pay it makes more sense for us to get a skip at our house and do the lot once a year over a weekend. that is cathartic! I can also slip in some stuff my wife wants to keep but I hate – gets lost in the hubbub

347185 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Tangelo, 4, #781 of 1728 🔗

Can you take the government, the experts and the sheep and collaborators to the tip the next time you go?

347247 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to DanClarke, 1, #782 of 1728 🔗

I trust you have an appointment and take identification and NBC suit.

347261 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Crimson Avenger, 1, #783 of 1728 🔗

I dont need an appointment, just the ID!

347135 Annie, replying to Annie, 19, #784 of 1728 🔗

Lock up farmers.
Lock up workers in food processing plants.
Lock up delivery drivers.
Lock up staff of essential shops.
Lock up rubbish collectors.
Lock up sewerage workers.
Lock up all those who work in power stations, including nuclear ones.
Lock up the police.
Lock up the ambulance drivers.
Lock up pharmacists.
Lock up doctors.
Lock up nurses.
Lock up gravediggers.
Let’s all stay safe, yay.

347166 ▶▶ John P, replying to Annie, 2, #785 of 1728 🔗

I agree, except for licking policemen.

(Joke).

347232 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 1, #786 of 1728 🔗

I corrected that one! Horrid thought!

347384 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Annie, #787 of 1728 🔗

And with BJ in number 10
Lock up your daughters.

347138 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 2, #788 of 1728 🔗

All of those Anti Brexit politicians who stood up in Parliament, to protect their ‘interests’, berating anyone who wanted Brexit have now slunk back under their rocks, after being told, ‘We have a Plan’

347179 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 2, #789 of 1728 🔗

Do stop wittering on about the irrelevancy of Brexit (brought to you by the same lot who brought Lockdown).

347187 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to RickH, 15, #790 of 1728 🔗

but brexit is entirely irrelevant! all those morons who wittered on about the harm it would do to the UK economy, only to now be in the act of taking a sledgehammer to the UK economy with gay abandon! even the absolute worst case scenario of brexit damage could only amount to a drop in the ocean of the sabotage being carried out now! they never really gave a rats ass about the UK economy, did they

347355 ▶▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #791 of 1728 🔗

It’s like complaining of being stung by a wasp after a shark has bitten off both your legs.

347212 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, 4, #792 of 1728 🔗

Currently, the opposition policy against lockdown is a longer and stricter lockdown.

347259 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to RickH, #793 of 1728 🔗

Irrelevancy???

347140 Victoria, 9, #794 of 1728 🔗

Miami Doctor Dies After Receiving First Dose Of Pfizer Vaccine
As the US sees 4K confirmed COVID-19 deaths in a single day, the CDC is reporting another shocking potential reaction to the new mRNA-vector COVID-19 vaccines: A doctor in Miami has died two weeks after receiving his first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech jab

The love of my life, my husband Gregory Michael MD an Obstetrician that had his office in Mount Sinai Medical Center in…

Posted by Heidi Neckelmann

Heidi Neckelmann, the widow of Dr. Gregory Michael, said her husband was vaccinated on Dec. 18, and died 16 days later. He was 56 years old, according to Sputnik. Patients typically receive a second dose of the vaccine 3 weeks after the first. Neckelmann also shared the news in a Facebook post, cited above.

“In my mind his death was 100 percent linked to the vaccine. There is no other explanation,” she said. “He was in very good health. He didn’t smoke, he drank alcohol once in a while but only socially. He worked out, we had kayaks, he was a deep sea fisherman,” she added.

What’s more, the doctor started to experience unusual symptoms, and three days after vaccination, small spots began to appear on Gregory Michael’s feet and hands. In response, he went to the emergency room at Mount Sinai. As his blood count was not in the normal ranges, he was admitted to the ICU, his wife told Sputnik. Shortly after, he suffered a stroke and died.

Three days after vaccination, small spots began to appear on Gregory Michael’s feet and hands. In response, he went to the emergency room at Mount Sinai. As his blood count was not in the normal ranges, he was admitted to the intensive care unit, according to Heidi Neckelmann. Unfortunately, shortly after, he suffered a stroke and died.

According to Darren Caprara, director of operations at the Miami-Dade medical examiner’s office, Gregory Michael’s death is the first that the county medical examiner’s office has seen where a COVID-19 vaccine could have played a role.

Earlier, Carlos Palestino, the brother-in-law of Mexican doctor Karla Cecilia Perez, was paralyzed hours after receiving the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, according to reports.

There have been several anecdotal reports about patients dying after receiving the vaccine in Europe, the US and elsewhere, in both trials, and during the emergency phase of the rollout.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/miami-doctor-dies-after-receiving-first-dose-pfizef

347147 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 24, #795 of 1728 🔗
School Closures = Child Abuse
347168 ▶▶ John P, replying to Victoria, 3, #796 of 1728 🔗

I certainly agree with you about that.

347253 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Victoria, 6, #797 of 1728 🔗

I so agree and yet I can’t help but wonder why so many parents continue to remain incapable of seeing it and find excuses for the government like “oh it’s really hard for them to make decisions in this terrible situation..”. No it’s not.. keep the schools open and find solutions for teachers who are high-risk group for Covid. Pretty simply strategy if you ask me.

347157 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 12, #798 of 1728 🔗

First it was Protect the NHS, then it was Protect the Vulnerable/Elderly, when have we ever trashed the economy to do either, both have been needed every single year and we have had bad/worse years

347242 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to DanClarke, 4, #799 of 1728 🔗

Now it’s
PROTECT THE POLITICIANS

347165 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #800 of 1728 🔗

What an extraordinary 30 minutes I’ve just had, I can highly recommend them….

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7Tsos3Wm4EUr/?fbclid=IwAR0lww8i8VUT_FnN3e7Kna5u4uaeeQR0EjJeX5UuJVoBXNxqY077ccvHvA0

347188 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #801 of 1728 🔗

Maybe the young, fit and healthy personnel couldn’t catch flu because their functioning immune systems didn’t let the virus in?

347239 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Major Panic, 1, #802 of 1728 🔗

Bitchute is doing very well isn’t it!

347176 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #803 of 1728 🔗

Nancy Pelosi asked that the Pentagon refuse to obey and direct orders from the POTUS. The actual quote from a Pentagon official is that to do that would amount to a ‘military coup’

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/trump-pelosi-nuclear-military.html

So, Democrats looking at military coups now as a viable polticial option? Seems that way. Running scared of something to be considering such extreme moves.

347183 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #804 of 1728 🔗

The democrats are going to use their time in office to crush all opposition. They will turn the Repbulican party into what we have now in the Labour party. Token opposition.

347194 ▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #805 of 1728 🔗

As is often the case, they accuse others of what is in their own hearts. Similarly to the way wokeists constantly accuse others of “hatred”, when the hardest most implacable hatred in the world today is the hatred of the woke for those who oppose them – the hatred of Trump is merely a subset of that hatred.

347211 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #806 of 1728 🔗

It’s darkly amusing that Pelosi would accuse anyone else of being ”unhinged”!

347177 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 17, #807 of 1728 🔗

Just got sent a great Twitter screenshot (not got the link)…

“Anyone got any new conspiracy theories, all my old ones have turned out to be true”

🙂

347223 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #809 of 1728 🔗

If you leave your house, loads of grannies will die.

347228 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #810 of 1728 🔗

What about grannies who leave the house to go and help a great granny?

347193 Richy_m_99, 8, #811 of 1728 🔗

Good article in the DM on the role of social media in controlling the narrative, mainly looking at how the the executives of those companies have effectively become more powerful than even the US President. It applies equally in this country, of course, applying to they have effectively shut down the opinions of those people who have spoken out against the scientific briefings of SAGE, etc

https://mol.im/a/9130303

347197 John P, replying to John P, 15, #812 of 1728 🔗

I don’t know if this has been posted here already. Paul Joseph Watson is “on fire” in his latest video.

Given that Paul is a right wing conservative with a fairly high public profile I think it likely that youtube would have censored it by now if they thought they had grounds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2HZ5P-0rsU&feature=emb_logo

347222 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to John P, 3, #813 of 1728 🔗

Thanks for that John. It’s a very good video that cuts to the chase.

347199 Alias Margaret, replying to Alias Margaret, 22, #814 of 1728 🔗

Just had a couple of guys to quote for a job.
The older one tells me that whenever his wife has a cold, they both nip for a Covid test.
This is the problem in a NUTshell!

347200 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Alias Margaret, 8, #815 of 1728 🔗

sounds like his wife needs to eat some vegetables

347209 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Alias Margaret, 5, #816 of 1728 🔗

It’s certainly part of the problem because you are more likely to meet people with symptoms in those places. It stands to reason. More to the point I suppose is, why do they want to know?

347217 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Alias Margaret, 6, #817 of 1728 🔗

I am sure that a lot of people will keep having tests until they test positive, some people (idiots) are like that.

347226 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #818 of 1728 🔗

The psychology is such that they keep checking till they find it then are pleased with themselves for having had the forethought to check.

347229 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #819 of 1728 🔗

They’ll even keep having tests AFTER they’re positive. A friend just did exactly that. Idiots indeed.

347231 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to leggy, 2, #820 of 1728 🔗

???????????????????????????????????????????

347245 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #821 of 1728 🔗

???????????????????????????????????????????” indeed!
Plus WTF?

347249 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to dhid, 5, #822 of 1728 🔗

Oh, I know – she had a positive private antibody test in the Spring having been really quite poorly for a week. Decided to go for a PCR test after the family developed the sniffles at Christmas. Mind boggling.

347252 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to leggy, 3, #823 of 1728 🔗

It’s so difficult to know what to say to people like that.

347262 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to dhid, 12, #824 of 1728 🔗

“You’re a complete imbecile” is generally not well received.

347505 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to leggy, 1, #825 of 1728 🔗

Lol!

Perhaps we should tell them not to be so selfish, keeping using the precious NHS resources….

At least that might reduce all the “positive” tests.

347241 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Alias Margaret, 1, #826 of 1728 🔗

Vitamin C and Zinc.

347701 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to dhid, #827 of 1728 🔗

5000 iu VitD3 – 10000 iu VitD3 plus 2 grams VitC plus 30-200 mg Zinc. Per person per day. Just what my wife and I take, y’understand, not a prescription.

347277 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Alias Margaret, 2, #828 of 1728 🔗

For their sakes I hope they’ve got it. It will give them peace of mind.

347206 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 10, #829 of 1728 🔗

Hmm, this needs monitoring I think. Bit too early for any meaningful detail:

Covid-19 outbreak at first care home to vaccinate residents Residents in Abercorn Care Home in Hamilton received their first jags on December 14.

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/covid-19-outbreak-at-first-care-home-to-vaccinate-residents?top

The NHS has confirmed a Covid-19 outbreak at the first care home in Scotland to receive a vaccine against the virus.

Residents in Abercorn Care Home in Hamilton received their first jags on December 14.

A total of 52 people staying in the home received the Pfizer jab.

It is not known how many cases have been confirmed or if any of those inoculated are affected.

347230 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #830 of 1728 🔗

It is not known…

It’s not disclosed more like.

347244 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #831 of 1728 🔗

It might be good to send to LS Editorial Team for monitoring…because this precisely exposes the problem with the whole CV situation and the rushed vaccines. Then again… not like the media is going to report on this, is it?

347329 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Pebbles, 5, #832 of 1728 🔗

Dr John Lee has suggested the vaccine can trigger positive tests and we know can produce Covid-like symptoms.

347207 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 7, #833 of 1728 🔗

For anyone who thinks that eminent medic and scientist, Professor Sridhar, is changing her stance on Covid, think again. She is merely setting out the path to Zero Covid for summer 2021, which is the same as summer 2020. This will then be the pretext for Professor Whitty’s lockdown in winter 2021. Ferguson is on standby to do the modeling of the newly discovered mutant strain that is 95% more transmissible.

Nicola Sturgeon adviser says lockdown should continue for next 12 weeks – Daily Record

347218 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 19, #834 of 1728 🔗

These zero-Covid muppets should be totally discredited by now. Unbelievably divorced from reality.

347224 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #835 of 1728 🔗

Robert Dingwall’s article in the Mail today was important, if anyone is listening who could bring this to an end. Of course, that presupposes that there are MPs with spines.

347294 ▶▶▶▶ New name old face, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #836 of 1728 🔗

He’s on Sage

347256 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 8, #837 of 1728 🔗

Sridar did a two-year crash course in biological sciences which was designed to be a preliminary qualification for those who wished to study medicine: Wikipedia has recently, er, doctored her entry to elaborately finesse around this- give it a close read and note what’s not being said- I have to admit they’ve done a clever job. This is the limit of her medical expertise.

347275 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 7, #838 of 1728 🔗

Medical training/expertise seems to be way down the list of requirements nowadays. Dimcock, economist. Nadine Dorries, apparently ‘two years medical experience’s although there is confusion as to where. Shridhar in Scotland has never practised medicine and amongst other things is interested in banning alcohol In Scotland. Strange that a country famous for it’s medical expertise has to import an American non doctor to run things. Maybe she is a Krankite.

347356 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 6, #839 of 1728 🔗

Good work on scrutinising sridhar. We need to be publicising about the precise nature of what she is and encouraging people to examine her for themselves.

Her global dept at edinburgh university ‘russian dolled’ out of her time at oxford, the oxford dept itself a recent set up.

Her 2012(?) at age (28?) Paper called for the UN to use legal powers, it doesn’t have, to end alcohol. Interesting in light of the demise of our pubs and various bannings of off sales during this time.

All tweets deleted prior to August 2020 some of which had her medalling in British Ccnstitutional matters which she clearly did not understand the basic principles of, what is British what is Scottish etc.

347439 ▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to Basics, 1, #840 of 1728 🔗

This is the young woman routinely trotted out by the BBC on it’s Saturday morning news programme.
I did wonder about her youth and specialist knowledge;the latter appears to be somewhat lacking.

347215 Chloe_, replying to Chloe_, 18, #841 of 1728 🔗

I’m sad to say that on my daily walk / run to my local park in London zone 2 that there is a significant increase in masked zombies walking the street. The people that confuse me the most are couples with only one wearing a mask. Makes no sense to me. Only positive I can see is that the parks are absolutely heaving. But there is little else to cheer me up today.

347292 ▶▶ New name old face, replying to Chloe_, 5, #842 of 1728 🔗

Masks don’t = compliance
Being out = no fear of virus

Good news!

347216 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #843 of 1728 🔗

Business Insider: Germany: Anti-lockdown leader faces questions about cash flow – Business Insider.
https://www.businessinsider.com/leader-of-german-anti-lockdown-group-accused-making-unfair-profit-2021-1

347335 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #844 of 1728 🔗

What a loosely researched, not argumented waste of time article.

347349 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #845 of 1728 🔗

You get the most amount of flak when you are right over the target.

The article regurgitates the ‘Storm the Reichstag’ nonsense, which interestingly prefigured the ‘Storm the Capitol’ nonsense this week,

347248 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 15, #846 of 1728 🔗

Thinking through Dimcocks latest bumblings. It’s clear the sandcastle is beginning to crumble. The vaccine was and is their last hope to cover up the enormous cock up of the last year. Vaccinate then either stop PCR testing or turn down the Ct to the recommended level. However for whatever reason the program isn’t working. They’ve gone from 3 week interval to 12 week interval to ‘one dose will do’. Now they have to extend and ramp up the terror until the autumn when they hope supplies will be adequate. Meanwhile the Ivermectin lobby will grow and seasonal variation will turn for the better.

347269 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to eastender53, 5, #847 of 1728 🔗

1.2m vaccinated in a month, single dose. Their priority list is all over the place due to the complications with supply and storage.

347312 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #848 of 1728 🔗

Due to bad planning and incompetence.

347399 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to stevie, 3, #849 of 1728 🔗

Well it is the NHS, with their track record, why would you expect any different?

347314 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #850 of 1728 🔗

Send for Blair! (DM).

347376 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Bugle, 3, #851 of 1728 🔗

What? They want us to invade another sovereign country in the middle of all this crap?
How’s is that going to work?
Would the armed forces have to sanitise every cruise missile before launching it?

347425 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to eastender53, 1, #852 of 1728 🔗

…I really want to seen the Ivermectin lobby grow…!? Remember what happened to Hydroxo..!? If Trump says as much as “check this out”, Ivermection will be off the table faster than you can say censorship.

347250 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 10, #853 of 1728 🔗

Hi Mayo, I see you posted a few minutes ago, so maybe you will see this.

I am really interested to know, and forgive me if you’ve been through this many times before: what would be your preferred response to Covid?

You often challenge majority views btl (and it’s really good to get a diversity of voices; a guest post from Neil Ferguson would be great). But you are always clear that you oppose lockdown. So what approach would you support?

I know I can’t be alone in wanting to read ‘The Testimony of Mayo.’

347260 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ovis, 9, #854 of 1728 🔗

a guest post from Neil Ferguson would be great

I wonder why he hasn’t turned up already?

347368 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #855 of 1728 🔗

Maybe he has

347338 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ovis, 5, #856 of 1728 🔗

You remind me of my persistent attempts angling Ovis. In water so clear I could see the damned fish and dangle the maggot at the end of their noses, still not a bite!

Good luck!

347266 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #857 of 1728 🔗

Don’t know where my friend got this from frightening if true:

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Agv7JEO8MngCij3TDQ9VRCvswJ64

347276 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #858 of 1728 🔗

I honestly don’t think it’s far wrong.

347342 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #859 of 1728 🔗

Who is that guy – and from which country?

Sounds African.

347351 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to rockoman, 1, #860 of 1728 🔗

Waiting for an answer from my mate.

347380 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #861 of 1728 🔗

cheers

347358 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #862 of 1728 🔗

Speculative though. No source for the document he is quoting from. Saw a similar memo allegedly from the Office of Strategic Operations in Canada about quarantine camps and house appropriation. Millions of views. Except there is no Office of Strategic Operations. i think we at LS have to also be careful about spreading unsubstantiated information. You think people will willingly give up their homes? Apartheid got smashed. It took time but got smashed. Why do people think the army will cooperate with totalitarianism? They’ll be pointing their guns at their own families. .

347268 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #863 of 1728 🔗

Off topic and trying to find independent corroboration but Italian news reporting the Pope has been arrested:

https://philosophers-stone.info/2021/01/10/vatican-blackout-pope-arrested-on-80-count-indictment-for-child-trafficking-fraud/

If I find out anything else will post it but the link they have to the original report gives a “host not answering” message.

347279 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #864 of 1728 🔗

It’s April 1st and the lockdown is over!

347281 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #865 of 1728 🔗

Has all the marks of a spoof.

347320 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #866 of 1728 🔗

But the Vatican did suffer a blackout and there are some claims that this was due to its involvement in the Dominion voting machine servers.

347270 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 13, #867 of 1728 🔗

Matt Hancock on YouTube talking about policing. Dislikes growing much faster than likes. Comments right on the money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAsHVb1NyQ

347301 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basileus, 6, #868 of 1728 🔗

“The abusers always blame the victims”

Well until the victims stop being victims and turn on the abusers.

The government is hoping that this will end without anyone noticing. I fully expect elections to be postponed.

347309 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mhcp, 3, #869 of 1728 🔗

They cancelled last year’s.

347311 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to mhcp, 5, #870 of 1728 🔗

Didn’t I just read that they’re going to be postponed?

347372 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Banjones, 1, #871 of 1728 🔗

Yeadon has speculated about this for a while, David Kurten too. Not sure if a definite announcement has been made, but appears likely.

347437 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Basileus, #872 of 1728 🔗

Very scathing comments.

347460 ▶▶ james007, replying to Basileus, 3, #873 of 1728 🔗

God how can anyone watch him! Good to see some negative reaction at least.

If anyone has ‘blood on their hands’ it is Hancock, Johnson, Gove and all those who cheered on this insanity.

347813 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Basileus, 1, #874 of 1728 🔗

Its all breaking down, people have had enough

347282 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 14, #875 of 1728 🔗

This came up on Youtube (I know) from the ‘Orthodox Church’ channel. I thought it might be interesting as a counterpoint to some of the guff we have had to put up with. For what it’s worth, looking at the content, I suspect the channel is run by the department for external Church affairs of the Russian Orthodox Church, and is therefore an official voice of that Church. Quoted text below:

The Orthodox Patriarchate in Belgrade continues to follow in footsteps of the late Patriarch Irenaeus, to not be afraid of the coronavirus pandemic, and putting the Divine Worship of God first. The Patriarchate has invited the Faithful, to attend Divine Christmas Liturgy in the Cathedral of St. Sava, on January the 7th. (December 25th Old Calendar). Masks are voluntary, while everyone must commune from the same Cup and the same Spoon.
The Patriarchate is thankful to the Government, for not enforcing pandemic rules on the Church. The Faithful enjoyed complete religious freedom in the temples of the Orthodox Church during this winter outbreak of the virus. Not a single fine was issued against the Faithful or Clergy regarding the church attendance this winter.
Against the projections of the cynical secularists, the numbers of the infected in the country are dropping, despite the normal and free Church attendance.

347285 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ovis, 10, #876 of 1728 🔗

Good God in Heaven, a churchman who is not a craven bedwetter! The One Righteous Person!

347306 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ovis, 5, #877 of 1728 🔗

Meanwhile Pope Francis is accusing anyone who does believe the coronavirus madness of suicidal denial.

347354 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #878 of 1728 🔗

You mean ‘does not believe’.
I’m with Henry VIII when it comes to bishops of Rome.

347434 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ovis, 4, #879 of 1728 🔗

A bit different to wet-the-bed Welby.

347514 ▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #880 of 1728 🔗

I’m surprised Welby is even thought of as a ‘Christian’, no matter what his job tiltle is, as he behaves much more like a squirming and lying politician.

347284 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #881 of 1728 🔗

This Twitter spat regarding Piers Morgan and his Xmas trip to Antigua is indicative of the absurdity of it all. We’re in such a deadly pandemic that people are arguing about whether rules were broken or not. Because evidently people only die depending on which particular set of rules have been followed or broken.

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1348264418778472448

347290 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #882 of 1728 🔗

I would say it’s not in the spirit of the rules.A new legal term for 2021

347298 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #883 of 1728 🔗

Piers’ tweet is a piece of work. If there was an award for hypocrite of the century, he would have my vote.

347324 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #884 of 1728 🔗

The cunt should die

347657 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jaguarpig, #885 of 1728 🔗

It would certainly give an amusing tone to the video.

347333 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #886 of 1728 🔗

I think sceptics could gift some awards at the year maker of lockdown. This would be profile raising. Hypocrite of the year, police brutality of the year, Scientific fiend of the year, Tyrant of the year, Most Courageous Academic of the year. Best fake tears award even has tough a field this year.

Just naming the award would be the trick.

347350 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basics, 5, #887 of 1728 🔗

This is an excellent idea. Year of the Lockdowns Awards. I think it would be wonderful if Toby took it up. If he did, it would have to be soon, so we could have categories, nominations and voting, all in time for March.

347396 ▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to Basics, 3, #888 of 1728 🔗

Cracking idea!

347430 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 2, #889 of 1728 🔗

Lockdown cliche of the year ( prize is a Boris bingo card).

347660 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Basics, 1, #890 of 1728 🔗

The prize would be a heart-shaped clay sculpture on a wooden plinth. We could call it something appropriate like “with a heavy heart”.

Bastards.

347287 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 32, #891 of 1728 🔗

In the son’s farcebook group are a few women he went to school with and now work in health care.

Last week they were boasting about how proud they were to ahve had their first dose of the covid vaccine.

Today 2 of them are compaining that they have been in bed for 4 days really, really, really ill – bit they don’tor won’t attribute it to the vaccine they ahve ahd even when the son sent them links to the possible side-effects.

347308 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #892 of 1728 🔗

Which vaccine was it in particular?

347318 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #893 of 1728 🔗

The Pfizer one.

347327 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #894 of 1728 🔗

I’ve heard similar about that one but nothing yet on the Oxford one.

347325 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #895 of 1728 🔗

Ha ha best laugh I have had all year. Health care hypocites whinning.

If the were courageous types standing up for life and liberty I would have all the sympathy in the world.

For these types l9ng may they wince and whine and generally be miserable.

347367 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #896 of 1728 🔗

I mentioned earlier that my mother had her Pfizer jab yesterday morning and is unwell today with the same symptoms as when she actually had covid in November. I did try and tell her not to bother..

347379 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Adamb, 12, #897 of 1728 🔗

Why on earth was somebody who has already had Covid been vaccinated?? – Should they not already have immunity from their earlier infection??

347394 ▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #898 of 1728 🔗

Of course. My father too. But they have been pretty much brainwashed like everyone else I’m afraid.

347421 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Adamb, 3, #899 of 1728 🔗

Remember that the WHO erased the idea of natural immunity on 21/12 when they decided to change the definition of immunity to apply to “only when vaccinated” and not by natural means. Again – flagrant, disgusting, ridiculous, but like everything else it has gone unchallenged by the lame stream media.

347378 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #900 of 1728 🔗

Adverse reactions are 50x greater than with the flu vaccine, and of course we have no data on medium- to long-term effects.

347427 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #901 of 1728 🔗

I don’t know why they are surprised at this. I’ve known people get the flu vaccine then come down with flu. I’ve always assumed the vaccine caused the illness as it activates the immune system, which is what it’s designed to do. I’ve also assumed that if that happens the illness isn’t as bad as the same flu caught ‘in the wild’ . Surely they know this.

347671 ▶▶ james007, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #902 of 1728 🔗

My sister is a nurse. She was off-sick the day after her pzier vaccine. Told me I was stupid for suggesting it might be a side-effect, as she had been told very clearly by cleaver people that there were no side-effects.

347288 Awkward Git, 4, #903 of 1728 🔗
347289 leamingtonlockdown, replying to leamingtonlockdown, 26, #904 of 1728 🔗

Is this real?

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CJ1c2Xhhhu1/?igshid=16zqtua9nvzz5

Because I am here crying. Crying for my children. Crying for all of us. The video shows police officers having used CCTV to track normal people walking through a town with a coffee and then handcuffing them for breaking the law. I thought this integrated technology only existed in the movies. What is happening?? Who could possibly have given these orders??

I am disgusted and enraged, but I’m so overwhelmed

347300 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to leamingtonlockdown, 22, #905 of 1728 🔗

Re. your last point, so am I. I keep asking it, but when will people finally wake up to what is being done. Just what will be their breaking point. I am despairing of the majority of my countrymen who are effectively sanctioning totalitarianism.

347303 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to kh1485, 8, #906 of 1728 🔗

Police = Persons Of Limited Intelligence Craving Employment

347501 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to HoMojo, 1, #907 of 1728 🔗

I thought I’d try my hand for Ireland where the so called police force are known as Gardai with a single police officer known as Garda:

General Asshole Reading Dictats Arrogantly

347307 ▶▶ mj, replying to leamingtonlockdown, 13, #908 of 1728 🔗

the video has had 1.1 million views. whether that is just on instagram or elsewhere. So that is a lot of people who’s views of the police will have changed.

347319 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to leamingtonlockdown, 11, #909 of 1728 🔗

See the fucking goons are picking on women and the elderly. Look at them, dress them like the military and they act like it.

Brainwashed IMO and cowards for ‘just following orders’.

347357 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 7, #910 of 1728 🔗

And they have the nerve to complain that she is getting a little arsy while all the time provoking her into getting arsy.

347331 ▶▶ Paul, replying to leamingtonlockdown, 29, #911 of 1728 🔗

For all my life I have supported the Police but that came to an end a few weeks ago with the aggressive treatment of anti-lockdown protesters and the behaviour of officers over the past couple of weeks has incensed me.They have made a lot of enemies and they will found out just how many the next time they are begging for the public’s help.
I had two Great Grandfathers who were policemen and they must be turning in their graves to see the scruffy,ignorant,rude,aggressive,condescending,unintelligent,aloof,uncaring,unprofessional,brainwashed morons that have the audacity to call themselves police officers today.
I am now fervently anti-police,in fact I don’t respect the laws of the nation anymore,those that are supposed to uphold the law and those that create the laws that are supposed to be for the common good are no longer working for us and have lost our consent.

347336 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 10, #912 of 1728 🔗

Agree. I am not making a political point here, but I think the rot set in in the 90s. My limited experiences of the police were fine up until then. Thereafter, no.

347417 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to leamingtonlockdown, 6, #913 of 1728 🔗

Yes this is facial recognition being used for arresting ordinary citizens. They have been doing it for a while for protestors during demonstrations, it’s just becoming more flagrant, more disgusting, more totalitarian.

347291 quodcumque, replying to quodcumque, 94, #914 of 1728 🔗

At the risk of repeating something I’ve said below, I find Matt Hancock’s comments today one of the most frightening, dangerous developments in this entire, horrible episode. The term totalitarian is overused but I’ve lived in a totalitarian country, and I know what it means. They don’t want people simply following the rules. You are meant to adjust your opinions unthinkingly to match a particular viewpoint and the rules should then be obvious. People aren’t supposed to be asking what the law says and it isn’t particularly easy to find out; if you’re not sure whether you’re allowed to say something about the Communist Party, you don’t say it, and the fact that you’ve even wondered is a sign of a defect in your character. The two women fined for walking near their homes objectively didn’t break the law. Indeed the law precisely imagines a situation in which two people decide to meet alone outdoors and go for exercise. What offended Mr Hancock was that their actions revealed they hadn’t imbibed the view that every journey outside is dangerous. The fact they were carrying cups of coffee outraged him even more, as if they regarded it as an enjoyable, social occasion rather than a terrifying venturing out from a safe hiding place that would probably result in the death of at least one of them. I will stop going on about this eventually but the fact that we’ve moved on from “those rules don’t make sense” to “obey the spirit of lockdown” appears to have been almost unnoticed.

347297 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to quodcumque, 26, #915 of 1728 🔗

To be fair, there were many examples of similar police behaviour during the first lockdown and Hancock hardly wanted to challenge their behaviour then, I recall. He is an authoritarian, albeit a thoroughly dense one.

347302 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 14, #916 of 1728 🔗

Yes, similar things happened last time. At the same time (and I may be wrong about this) it appeared more to be stupidity on the part of the police and silence from the health secretary. Right now, it feels like a deliberate ignoring of the rules.

347343 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 9, #917 of 1728 🔗

Wasn’t he threatening to close parks last spring because he had convulsions about people sitting on the grass?

On the police presence thing I do believe that this is being ‘managed’ with press being tipped off where to be to take photos of police challenging people. Equally, can’t help but feel this whole thing with the two girls in Derbyshire is as staged as Bozo’s ‘near death experience’ in the Autumn. Too convenient and far fetched to be real.

Sadly enough people are dim enough to fall for it.

347521 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to peter-, 2, #918 of 1728 🔗

Well it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if it was staged. However, it is still very easy to underestimate the plod’s stupidity. This applies across the land and of course doubly so in Derbyshire.

347570 ▶▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Rowan, 6, #919 of 1728 🔗

I have never underestimated the stupidity of the police in this country, thick to a man, woman and whatever they want to be defined as. They deserve nothing but contempt and hatred from the people who pay their salaries and they are supposed to protect.

347798 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to peter-, 2, #920 of 1728 🔗

Agreed.

347894 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to peter-, #921 of 1728 🔗

At one point, Wankok threatened to shut the entire population up 24/7, no outdoor exercise allowed.

347299 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to quodcumque, 21, #922 of 1728 🔗

You’re assuming that anyone is going to take any notice of Hancock. In my experience nothing could be further from the truth. Today where I live much activity and no antisocial distancing. Think Hancock’s losing this one. .

347317 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to HoMojo, 11, #923 of 1728 🔗

I really hope you are right. Certainly in my area the police are showing no sign of being so authoritarian but then I thought masks would be completely ignored a few months ago.

347347 ▶▶▶ tarfu, replying to HoMojo, 12, #924 of 1728 🔗

Yesterday I had cause to drive across Derby City to see someone who lives alone and is in my “bubble”. Agreed it was a beautiful sunny day, but I have never seen so many (maskless) people out walking during a lockdown. Plenty of cars on the road too. Didn’t see any police either.

347415 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to HoMojo, 4, #925 of 1728 🔗

Yesterday I didn’t go out much as it was freezing but my neighbour said the village was heaving, so many walkers.

347539 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to HoMojo, 3, #926 of 1728 🔗

Today out with dog, we strolled through one of the larger local parks. Despite the cold damp weather, the place was buzzing. Absolutely no social distancing and remarkably not one mask wearer was spotted. As usual when the place is busy, the now take away only cafe was closed, a real pity as the coffee is good and cheap.

347305 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to quodcumque, 18, #927 of 1728 🔗

I can’t bear to watch him anymore. Out of them all, he would be the first one I would happily drop kick into oblivion.

347353 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to quodcumque, 5, #928 of 1728 🔗

After the Easter Uprising in 1916 in Ireland, the leaders were executed in small groups each day and the newspapers published this. What started as disdain from a large part of the population for a group of rebel idiots quickly became a much stronger rise in the independence movement. The thinking that strung out executions would be an example did the exact opposite.

347559 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mhcp, 1, #929 of 1728 🔗

There was probably latent sympathy for them among many people who did not express it openly at first. Rebels, not government forces, are the traditional heroes of Irish history.
Creating martyrs is dangerous. I am wondering whether gunning down Babbitt, a military veteran at that, will not turn out to be a huge own goal eventually.

347293 HoMojo, replying to HoMojo, 12, #930 of 1728 🔗

Mike Yeadon recommended this on Twitter, very enlightening. Doctor links current ‘scam’ with Swine Flu scam failure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwuNENqaqJQ&list=WL&index=1

347310 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to HoMojo, 13, #931 of 1728 🔗

I agree. In fact this was mentioned at the start, that they tried it then, lost money, so are back for another go.

347330 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to DanClarke, 3, #932 of 1728 🔗

Yep, that’s what struck me.

347449 ▶▶ leggy, replying to HoMojo, #933 of 1728 🔗

That’s an excellent interview. Dr Wogarg worked closely with Paul Flynn on the damning Council of Europe report into the H1N1 scam.

347340 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #935 of 1728 🔗

The comments on that article, apart from a few sensible comments, the majority just show how brainwashed they actually are by all of this shit.

347654 ▶▶ RickH, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #936 of 1728 🔗

Yes – the H1N1 incident provided the template.

That one failed – they couldn’t ramp the disease up sufficiently in order to convince.

A read of the Council of Europe report on the debacle is essential reading to understand the play-book.

347315 Basics, 8, #937 of 1728 🔗

Sridhar right on cue in the press today doing her evil masters bidding saying lockdown must be extended for another 3 months. An America is mightily comfortable to interfere with another people’s liberty. She truly is a shit heel. All predicted before christmas. And yet again the looming of news over the weekend to increase tge psychological attack without let up.

347316 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #938 of 1728 🔗

Can’t say I’ve noticed any problems importing stuff from the EU with the new Brexit arrangements.

Just had some stuff sent over from Germany and it came through no problems, exactly on time which was the same as always 4 days.

I’d say all that crap before New Year it was all theatre and scary news.

347337 ▶▶ peter-, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #939 of 1728 🔗

Of course there weren’t going to be any issues, they took project fear as far as they could despite realising it was bollocks years ago. The EU’s need for us at outweighs ours for them.

Shame that tosser O’Brien won’t take Brexit calls any more, has shifted to pro lockdown sanctimony instead.

347496 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to peter-, #940 of 1728 🔗

Another for the list.

347518 ▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Jaguarpig, #941 of 1728 🔗

Me or O’Bonkers…?!

347322 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #942 of 1728 🔗

Parler being closed by Amazon Cloud Services.

Will have to use China owned @Twitter until they get back up

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1348150041807122432

347326 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Victoria, 6, #943 of 1728 🔗

Use Gab.

347332 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #944 of 1728 🔗

Simon Dolan is on there as is James Delingpole. I think it must be quite popular at the moment (!) as the site keeps freezing (it is on my computer anyway).

347360 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 2, #945 of 1728 🔗

Just seen a ‘gab’ by Simon Dolan suggesting that even Gab may have been got at … Something about a DDoS attack …

347365 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Victoria, 3, #946 of 1728 🔗

The fact that Parler used Amazon servers does wonder if the site was genuinely meant as a beacon of free speech, & that they would be left to get on with it by the big tech censors…or whether it was just designed to start hoovering up those from Twitter &/or FB.. the direction of travel is being made clear – ‘unacceptable’ politics simply will not be tolerated.. The founder of Gab is having a hard time too, he, his properties, & his family, appear to have been permanently blacklisted by Visa & their financial associates, making his life extremely difficult.

347406 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #947 of 1728 🔗

AWS is used by lots of companies. I use them a lot and I’m now having to rethink what to do for applications. The belief was that AWS was neutral as it doesn’t see your data (or so it goes). It provide infrastructure, not moderation. There’s an anti-trust lawsuit in the works from this. The question is whether the courts will hear it.

This a bad move from AWS. A lot of conservative industries use them because they are supposed to be non-biased. A lot of Hong Kong companies too.

347480 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #948 of 1728 🔗

AWS – Amazon Web Services are the main player in cloud storage and have huge server farms all over the place . As at 2017 they had 33% of the market which has probably increase. Only Google and Microsoft were above 10% and we know how these companies buy or squeeze out the opposition
You would be amazed at the number of household names have gone cloud based and use AWS
As mhcp says, the data is supposed to be secure, but obviously they know who the customers are and so could make things difficult for any of these

347334 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 2, #949 of 1728 🔗

I’m trying to find up-to-date data on the number of Covid deaths with comorbidities. Sounds morbid I know, but I think it’s important to have this information. If you listen to the likes of Wancock, Witless and co (I don’t!) you’d think we were all going to fall down dead as soon as we step outside our front door. The info must be out there somewhere but it seems to be well hidden. Anyone have any suggestions?

347339 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Liz F, 6, #950 of 1728 🔗

Whitty and Valance have repeatedly stated that the risk posed by the virus is for the vast majority of people very tiny.

347426 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #951 of 1728 🔗

Thanks. I should’ve listened to Whitty after all!

347645 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #952 of 1728 🔗

Whitty, Downing St briefing May 11th 2020: “Most people, a significant proportion of people, will not get this virus at all. at any point in the epidemic….of those who get symptoms the great majority probably 80% will get a mild or moderate disease…”

He said the exact same thing in a lecture at Gresham college, presentation slide p13:
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/content.gresham.ac.uk/data/binary/3292/2020-04-30_Whitty_t.pdf

347348 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Liz F, 2, #953 of 1728 🔗
347366 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to dpj, 1, #954 of 1728 🔗

Screen shot from 7th January latest update – I have added calculated percentages
96 % of all fatalities have co morbidities
This ratio has been pretty constant over the last 7 months – that is in each week about 95 to 97% of fatalities have co morbidities
The younger deaths have a lower morbidity ratio bit fortunately there are fewer of them

347373 ▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #955 of 1728 🔗

Thanks, just noticed I’d linked to the archive page, this is proper link

Statistics » COVID-19 Daily Deaths (england.nhs.uk)

347383 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #956 of 1728 🔗

The people with serious comorbidities will be among the first to be vaccinated, along with the very elderly. 1.5m people have been vaccinated already and I think the “vulnerable” population needing to sheld is estimated at between 2 and 3 million. So why so many deaths. If vaccination works “as advertised” it should already be having a suppressive effect on hospitalisations and deaths. Remember, according to Dr John Lee the vaccine can trigger a positive result got the Covid test. What we have here is a real shitstorm of confusion.

347408 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to OKUK, 1, #957 of 1728 🔗

I would think some are still dying of flu and pneumonia which might peak this time of year.

347420 ▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Aslangeo, #958 of 1728 🔗

Perfect, thanks

347658 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Liz F, 1, #959 of 1728 🔗

You’re on a loser. There is no way of determining real ‘Covid’ deaths, let alone a more sophisticated breakdown. The data is totally screwed.

347341 Mark, replying to Mark, 10, #960 of 1728 🔗

Anybody familar with Gab and Parler?

It’s clearly the duty of any decent person to support outlets that allow genuine free speech, to punish and hopefully eventually shut down the censored versions. I’ve signed up for Parler (assuming it can evade the ongoing attempts to shut it down or force it to submit to the societal censorship) and intend to for Gab (though I probably won’t use either much, as I’m not a big Twitter user).

Just wondering what the features and differences are.

347352 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Mark, 6, #961 of 1728 🔗

I’ve joined both in last 24 hours. Features seem fairly similar but Gab seems better layout and is the safer option for going forward as they seem to be completely independent. Parler is being shut down tomorrow night for potentially at least a week as Amazon hosts it on their servers and is taking it down.

347344 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 40, #962 of 1728 🔗

Managed to get to church. I fear churches will soon be closed as the pro lockdown Sage fanatics seem to hate them. The elderly man who takes me was again wanting me to wear a mask. We compromised by my wearing an ultra-thin silk scarf. He was telling me he wanted to go for a walk with a friend but his friend was too scared.

The vicar warned us to keep further apart for communion and not to touch the altar rail. I understand she’s nervous as she is in her mid 70’s and she has promised to keep the church open unless forced to close.

I had to sit at the front as I was reading so was able to sing as loudly as I wished.

One lady, whose 80th birthday plans were ruined by the Government a few months ago announced she is getting the vaccine this week. I hope she’ll be OK

Nearly everyone was there who usually is. It is so horrible to live under the threat of having everything you enjoy taken away. We live in times of pure evil.

347402 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #963 of 1728 🔗

God is in control.

347451 ▶▶ james007, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #964 of 1728 🔗

Did you have to sit in household groups? Were you allowed to talk to others after the service or where you told when to leave?
I’m afraid that my church has such rules in place, the whole service is sanitised and clinical.

347581 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to james007, 6, #965 of 1728 🔗

Went to church this morning too. Have been going for 4 months, one week on, two off while we take part on You Tube the other two weeks. Encouraged not to fear and that God is in control. He is a good God and simply asks that we trust Him at this time. I’m trying to do that, I get angry with the politicians, hate listening to the news and know that we are being lied to.

Things will be better and so in the meantime I’m ticking off the days knowing that the Government and all politicians cannot keep this madness up for much longer.

Be kind, seek to encourage and support those you love and keep going.

348235 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to james007, 1, #966 of 1728 🔗

We have to sit in household groups but are able to freely chat before and after the service. I still enjoy the services.

347346 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 7, #967 of 1728 🔗

Where are all the human rights lawyers? Busy with Chanel immigrants?

347442 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to TheClone, #968 of 1728 🔗

Immigrants selling perfume now?

347361 wantok87, replying to wantok87, 6, #969 of 1728 🔗

Wales appears to have disappeared from UK consciousness but we are suffering from a disorganised WELSH Health Service which has always had long waiting times and worse outcomes than England. We now have low vaccination figures. Experienced retired clinicians are offered volunteer work eg Security Porter or Car Park Supervisor: while GP’s and nurses are taken from their clinical role. Please do not forget us on this site/ Covid19 has no GPS and the devolution of health is a total nonsense. Politicians prioritise polemic over patients.

347370 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to wantok87, 7, #970 of 1728 🔗

What difference do the vaccination figures make? As the vaccines have never been tested to show if they reduce deaths, transmissions and hospitalisations. And with 99.75% of people surviving Covid-19 anyway how will you know if the vaccine did indeed save any lives?

347386 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Schrodinger, 9, #971 of 1728 🔗

You’re exactly right for pointing this out. I was on a call earlier in the week and the guest speaker said the same thing — with a virus that has such a low IFR, it’s nearly impossible to determine whether the treatment (I won’t call it a vaccine as it isn’t one) has any effect. Given that the manufacturers admit they have no idea if it even stop transmission, I’d say it’s even more impossible to determine whether it does anything at all as far as saving lives. It may appear so when the virus naturally peters out in the spring/summer, at which point they’ll credit the “vaccine.” And of course people will conveniently forget that this is exactly how a virus behaves and exactly what happened by May of 2020.

347390 ▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #972 of 1728 🔗

In the supposedly thorough testing it was something like only 0.6-0.8% of the control group that tested positive. With figures these low you can’t really form a proper statistical conclusion.

347537 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to dpj, #973 of 1728 🔗

+PCR test?

347556 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to stefarm, 1, #974 of 1728 🔗

I’m not sure what they were using but in at least one of the control groups it was something like 90 tested positive out of 15,000 and only 5 in vaccine group so this proved that vaccine was 90% effective apparently. I did statistics as part of Uni course and to me these numbers are far too small to come to a definitive conclusion like that. I would feel much more confident with results if it was something like 1000 positive in control group and only 50 with vaccine. I also did say in a post at the time if only 0.6% in control group tested positive why should we be hiding under our beds in fear of this virus?

347391 ▶▶ TC, replying to wantok87, 1, #975 of 1728 🔗

You have my sympathy.
Wales has had a poorer NHS setup than England viz reported outcomes over the years.
I had heard of people claiming to live in England by renting a property there to gain access to better treatment.
The misapplication of retired doctors and nurses seems to apply throughout the UK at present.

347362 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #976 of 1728 🔗

Just tried to get on to Gab and it says they are down for maintenance. Wouldn’t be because Trump has signed up and already has millions of followers?

347364 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #977 of 1728 🔗

Sorted now

347363 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 18, #978 of 1728 🔗

Professor Dingwalls article is a good read. The comments are interesting and below are 2 Twitter threads that discuss it:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9129687/PROFESSOR-ROBERT-DINGWALL-need-discuss-life-jabs-make-Covid-deadly.html

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1348216267182907393

https://twitter.com/rwjdingwall/status/1348209636147662849

There are a few who bring up long covid for reasons that I can’t quite fathom. It seems as if they’re saying we can’t go back to relative normality because of long covid.

So let’s look at this from a slightly different perspective.

Imagine we’re back in late 2019/early 2020 when it all began. There’s a new virus sweeping the world. Only this time it’s not killing people, it’s only causing what is now being termed Long Covid.

What would have been a proportionate response? Would we have locked down society for it? Would it have even been declared an emergency?

It really does seem to me that there are many people who are actively looking for reasons to keep us in the state we are in rather than looking for ways to get us out. It just seems very odd.

347387 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #979 of 1728 🔗

Why is it that long flu, long polio and a small% of sufferers of most other viral infections on the planet are ignored and yet Long Covid is a thing?

347397 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nessimmersion, 6, #980 of 1728 🔗

I’ve got long ‘bad hips’

347418 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to steve_w, 5, #981 of 1728 🔗

I’ve got long psy-op psychosis

347436 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 5, #982 of 1728 🔗

Long temper here.

347508 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, #983 of 1728 🔗

Angry is key element of the psychosis

347579 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to steve_w, 5, #984 of 1728 🔗

I thought I had long penis but it was a false positive.

347475 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Nessimmersion, 7, #985 of 1728 🔗

I’ve got a looooooong memory and I will not soon forget who has been responsible for this fiasco.

347385 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #987 of 1728 🔗

Looks like they’re finally catching up with what Dr Kendrick or Ivor Cummins have been saying for years. The next step is to get them to do an article on how the OURNHS downgrading Vit D cost x thousands of lives.

What is it about SJW journalists that they treat it as a revelation when the scepticals have already known this for months or years
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BD_96ybTMNE

347388 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #988 of 1728 🔗

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/chief-medical-officers-dad-was-killed-by-palestinian-terrorists-in-1984/

“Chief Medical Officer’s dad was killed by Palestinian terrorists in 1984
“We reveal how Chris Whitty’s diplomat father was gunned down after the UK jailed the would-be killers of Israeli ambassador”

“Kenneth Whitty, 44, was the British cultural attaché in Athens when he was stopped by a pedestrian while driving. As he wound down his window, the pedestrian shot him five times, three times in the head. A passenger was also shot.”

So, Whitty’s father was deep in the establishment. Interesting indeed.

347392 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #989 of 1728 🔗

More from the article –
“Whitty was also head of the British Council in Greece at the time of the attack and was driving three British Council colleagues when he was killed.”

It is widely known the British Council delivers ‘soft power’ overseas. Tinker, tailor, 77 brigader, spy.

347486 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Basics, 2, #990 of 1728 🔗

Pity he wasn’t in the back seat at the time

347576 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Basics, #991 of 1728 🔗

Like Father, Like Son?

347393 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #992 of 1728 🔗

New daily infections peaked on 7th Jan
Total infectious in society will peak on 12th Jan

That means the ludicrous figures the government pushes
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
will peak on 12th Jan barring any funny business

1 – this is the peak of the virus, so the peak of people getting infected, going to hospital, being in hospital or dying of something else but having tested positive

2 – the peak in false positives. a lot of false positives is due to contamination which would be expected to scale with the actual amount of virus around

347401 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to steve_w, #993 of 1728 🔗

Why the five day gap please?

347407 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to arfurmo, 3, #994 of 1728 🔗

The new daily infections peaked on 7th – say 70,000

On that day 70,000 new people have the virus and 60,000 people have recovered from it (the number of new people that got it 5 days ago), so the total infectious still goes up and lags the newly infectious peak by 5 days.

347433 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, #995 of 1728 🔗

actually to be clearer – assume 10 days from infection to recovery

when the newly infected is the same as the newly recovered (who were newly infected 10 days ago) we have hit the peak of total infectious in society. this is 10/2 days after the peak in daily new infections

347450 ▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to steve_w, 4, #996 of 1728 🔗

You are right
Today 563/54940
Yesterday 1035/59937
Fri 1325/68053

Now waiting for the headlines

Todays deaths down 50% and infections fall by 5000.

Holds breath….

347395 Nobody2021, 11, #997 of 1728 🔗

Pandemic Logic 3:

The measures put in place aren’t working well enough so we must increase restrictions.

And…

The measures put in place are working so well that if we increase restrictions we’ll get even better results

347400 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #998 of 1728 🔗

Strange one to muddy the waters:

https://truthbits.blog/2020/06/17/bill-and-melinda-gates-died-in-2013/

Amazing what gets put on the internet isn’t it.

347403 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #999 of 1728 🔗

I read a theory the other day that Rik Mayall actually was murdered because of his film One by One.

347413 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ganjan21, #1000 of 1728 🔗

Wasn’t it more the cocaine that did for poor old Rick

347423 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Two-Six, -1, #1001 of 1728 🔗

I thought it was a quad bike.

348154 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1002 of 1728 🔗

Nope that was quite a few years earlier, he died of a heart attack after jogging apparently.

348289 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1003 of 1728 🔗

No, it was a genuine question.

347404 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 19, #1004 of 1728 🔗

Every country in the world had a pandemic response plan.

In March we all threw them in the bin and locked down. A policy never in any plan, never done before and with no cost/benefit analysis.

When they update the UK’s pandemic response plan do you just think it will be ‘panic and lockdown’? Or really not too dissimilar to the one we already have but ignored.

It’s an odd strategy. Plan. Panic and throw away the plan when the thing you planned for turns up.

347411 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to steve_w, 19, #1005 of 1728 🔗

I think they were going with the plans initially then Italy locked down and Imperial came along with their modelled projections.

So lockdown was imposed and, this is my personal opinion, it made things worse which started a feedback loop of things getting worse so they tightened restrictions which made things worse and so on.

347416 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nobody2021, 28, #1006 of 1728 🔗

I had to stop driving the car when our lockdown announcement was made. I was literally gobsmacked. I emailed my MP the next morning and listed a number of problems with the Ferguson paper (ie it was shit) and told him far more would die of the lockdown. My views have only been confirmed over the subsequent 9 months.

347457 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to steve_w, 4, #1007 of 1728 🔗

They also had at their disposal the review of the response to the 2009 Influenza Pandemic by Dame Deirdre Hine.

See: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/independent-review-into-the-response-to-the-2009-swine-flu-pandemic

For example:
RECOMMENDATION 1: Ministers should determine early in a pandemic how they will ensure that the response is proportionate to the perceived level of risk and how this will guide decision-making.

RECOMMENDATION 25: The four UK health departments should review their use of language during pandemics to ensure that it accurately conveys the aims of the response efforts and the levels of risk. In particular, the use of the terms ‘containment’ and ‘reasonable worst case’ should be reconsidered as they are easily misunderstood.

347405 Basileus, 3, #1008 of 1728 🔗

Fat Emperor on PCR versus Rapid Antigen test. Excellent, brief and clear.

https://fatemperor.wetransfer.com/downloads/708aa6c2c9fdcc39e5f0d749e233f86020210109231458/6f3343

347409 JulieR, 27, #1009 of 1728 🔗

I was at Clapham high street yesterday – crowds of people (not protesters) buying food in the market, takeaways in cafes. Lots of people in Clapham Common playing football, cycling, running, walking. It was nice to see and the weather was nice.

347410 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 38, #1010 of 1728 🔗

Just been out for a long walk in the countryside.
IT’S PACKED!
Accidentally met a few people and had a super time.
Only saw two FN’s near our local shop so you can almost forgive them for their zombie ways.
Roads busy even for a Sunday…hahaha mockdown.

347544 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Two-Six, 14, #1011 of 1728 🔗

Awesome! I can confirm it was packed outside here in Krankiestan too.

When I went jogging round Glasgow Green at lunchtime it was annoyingly busy on the pavements, in fact. And not a masked zombie in sight. Then I went on a drive with my partner round the Campsies/Loch Katrine area – I was shocked at how busy it was on the roads. It was a rainy grey day too, not even a nice occasion for a walk or drive. The Glasgow traffic was busy getting there and the streets we drove past were busy with people too. Hardly any zombies out at all (they’re probably all cowering under the bed at home listening to the BBC).

I got the subtle but recurring impression from my colleagues this week too that there’s a HUGE amount of anger about the school closures up here among parents. Particularly after the ruining of their kids’ Christmas by Krankie’s covid cult. There’s a sense of ennui setting in, and a real lack of trust in the authorities now.

I think a huge number of people in Scotland might be on the verge of waking up??

347826 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to GorbalsGirl, 3, #1012 of 1728 🔗

Absolutely love the road to Loch Katrine – the scenic route from Aberfoyle. Love Scotland so much – would dearly love to be able to visit again one day. It fills the soul to be in the midst of such beauty.

347959 ▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to CGL, 1, #1013 of 1728 🔗

Yeah, my partner loves cycling around Aberfoyle! It’s beautiful to go out on those roads, whatever the weather (and there was a brooding low mist and drizzle today with pockets of dirty grey ice and melting snow – very dramatic!).

Hopefully you can make it up in the summer – assuming the hospitality industry is ‘allowed’ to open again? There’s plenty of room in Scotland and the more the merrier! 🙂

347412 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 7, #1014 of 1728 🔗

Are the covid vaccines safe and effective? – Sebastian Rushworth M.D.
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/01/10/are-the-covid-vaccines-safe-and-effective/#comment-1929
Very detailed and sober analysis of the 3 approved vaccines.
Moderna best, Pfizer second best but shouldn’t be given to half the people, Astra/Zeneca very problematic.
All, but in particular the AZ one, only carrying a positive risk/reward ratio if you are above the age of 70….

347422 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to JayBee, 1, #1015 of 1728 🔗

The ones in the running are https://www.ft.com/content/ac5e5ef8-bccb-482b-9f8d-0dab5cac6f9a (no paywall) . Which is safest -mrna, recombinant spike protein , adenovirus or inactivated virus?

347431 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1016 of 1728 🔗

The safest one is the most old-fashioned one; I am no expert, but if forced (and it would have to be at gunpoint) then it would only be the inactivated virus only.

If a female relative of mine asked my advice, I would be horrified by her taking the one which carries any risk of infertility.

347456 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to RichardJames, 2, #1017 of 1728 🔗

And of course no inactivated virus ones on the cards for the UK

347550 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1018 of 1728 🔗

Correct; Sino- vaccines only (Chinese). Then again, I would expect the Chinese to make a better vaccine anyway; they are alleged to have built the original…

347441 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to JayBee, 2, #1019 of 1728 🔗

He appears to have got the Moderna Grade 3 Serious Adverse Events totally wrong, I’m afraid.
He cited 1%…

From the NEJM report:-

“Solicited adverse events at the injection site occurred more frequently in the mRNA-1273 group than in the placebo group after both the first dose (84.2%, vs. 19.8%) and the second dose (88.6%, vs. 18.8%). In the mRNA-1273 group, injection-site events were mainly grade 1 or 2 in severity and lasted a mean of 2.6 and 3.2 days after the first and second doses, respectively (Table S5). The most common injection-site event was pain after injection (86.0%). Delayed injection-site reactions (those with onset on or after day 8) were noted in 244 participants (0.8%) after the first dose and in 68 participants (0.2%) after the second dose. Reactions were characterized by erythema, induration, and tenderness, and they resolved over the following 4 to 5 days. Solicited systemic adverse events occurred more often in the mRNA-1273 group than in the placebo group after both the first dose (54.9%, vs. 42.2%) and the second dose (79.4%, vs. 36.5%). The severity of the solicited systemic events increased after the second dose in the mRNA-1273 group, with an increase in proportions of grade 2 events (from 16.5% after the first dose to 38.1% after the second dose) and grade 3 events (from 2.9% to 15.8%) . Solicited systemic adverse events in the mRNA-1273 group lasted a mean of 2.6 days and 3.1 days after the first and second doses, respectively (Table S5). Both solicited injection-site and systemic adverse events were more common among younger participants (18 to <65 years of age) than among older participants (≥65 years of age). Solicited adverse events were less common in participants who were positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection at baseline than in those who were negative at baseline (Tables S6 and S7).”

(My highlight)

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389?query=TOC

Thus, not 1%, but actually 15.8% after the two doses…
Which, I think, is by far the highest of the three vaccines now given EUA in the UK, and rather changes the risk/benefit ratio somewhat…

For any sort of drug, this rate of SAE’s might well preclude approval, let alone a vaccine that will potentially be given to millions of perfectly well individuals.

347554 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1020 of 1728 🔗

Point taken, but these are all the ones that mess about with protein spikes, the same spike that might interfere with human placenta formation.

I’ll generously allow someone else to have my dose. Or alternatively, get a receipt from the pharmacist in Asda to say you’ve paid for a jab…

…not had it injected, mind, just paid for it.

347803 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to JayBee, 1, #1021 of 1728 🔗
  • Both Pfizer and Moderna has PEG in its preparation which has been discussed as a possible cause for the higher frequency of that anaphylactic reaction.Pfizer vaccine rolled out before Moderna and that could be a reason for more reactions reported than for Moderna. But Rushworth’s rating higher of Moderna than the others might be a bit premature.Moderna could have frequency of severe allergic reactions when it is used more like Pfizer.And he forgot that there were Bell’s facial palsy in both Moderna and Pfizer. Rushworth seems very scared of the myelitis in the Astra trial but I would always have some concerns with a vaccine already having nerve effects in a very few even though Bell’s palsy is much more benign than myelits. Agree that Moderna seems more protective and as anphylaxis rare in very elderly might be the better option for that group. But all three vaccines very few elderly were tested so efficacy might be worse than hoped for.
347428 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #1022 of 1728 🔗

People (over 80’s) being offered jabs in Birmingham who live 40 miles away.
Brewery/p×ss up?

347435 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1023 of 1728 🔗

That journey of road risk needs a model making, Neil…

347438 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Basics, 10, #1024 of 1728 🔗

More likely to die in a car crash on the way there and back

347443 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1025 of 1728 🔗

Yes.

347429 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 26, #1026 of 1728 🔗

Captain’s Log star date 2021 point 6.

We have received an urgent distress call from a small activist group on Planet Earth warning of an impending disaster which could affect the entire human race. The group, called LS, tells of growing insanity amongst society and warns of increasing levels of totalitarianism. For several weeks we have been unable to contact the usual Earth leaders. We are now in orbit and have begun investigations.

KIRK: Uhuru, attempt to contact the LS group.
UHURU: Not possible Captain, all communications are blocked by an unknown censorship device.
KIRK: Preliminary report Mr Spock.
SPOCK: Censor readings confirm the concerns from the distress call Captain. Increasing  levels of totalitarianism, societal breakdown, communications disabled, shortage of essential supplies and growing levels of violence.
KIRK: What happened Spock?
SPOCK: Unknown Captain though there are reports that the breakdown began after a respiratory virus circulated a year ago. Since then, signs of intelligent life have plummeted. It’s illogical Captain.
KIRK: Prepare landing party. Bones, bring canisters of sanity serum. Prepare yourselves, this could be our toughest mission yet.

347447 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1027 of 1728 🔗

It’s a wee bit risky but it might just work.

347469 ▶▶ Gtec, replying to godowneasy, #1028 of 1728 🔗

Excellent, and made me smile for once!

347470 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Gtec, 2, #1029 of 1728 🔗

Thank you – if it saves one smile then it’s worth it.

347555 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1030 of 1728 🔗

It’s life Jim, but not as we knew it.

347432 Basics, 11, #1031 of 1728 🔗

So you’ve passed your olevels to an ok standard, you did a college course and quite liked it, but it wasn’t for you. Then you joined the police. You took their exam and passed. You are a mildly clever police constable. Today Hancock says you are doing a good job. Even you, even you, must realise things are bad when a man as untrustable as Hancock is the only one saying good job.

347440 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, #1032 of 1728 🔗

I just got sent this, I don’t have faceachebook, but if this can be shared.

https://m.facebook.com/100038260334778/posts/403541337597874

347444 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 90, #1033 of 1728 🔗

Spotted on Twitter (1):

347448 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nick Rose, 18, #1034 of 1728 🔗

Spot fucking On

347455 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Nick Rose, 15, #1035 of 1728 🔗

Pedantry alert – the virus is SARS-COV-2 – the illness that ‘results’ is Covid 19.
Personally I am (certainly now, April not so sure) sceptical of both.

347479 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 14, #1036 of 1728 🔗

Accurate version:

Almost nobody thinks the coronavirus is a hoax, almost everyone accepts there is a virus called Sars-CoV-2 that in some cases causes a disease called Covid19.

The hoax is treating a disease with a 99.7% survival rate as if it were ebola and claiming that everyone who doesn’t panic is a murderer or a “denier”.

Better? (Nothing wrong with precision).

347503 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Mark, 1, #1037 of 1728 🔗

Yes it shows we at least understand (or appear to 🙂 ) what we are talking about.

The second paragraph I can’t agree enough with.

347819 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #1038 of 1728 🔗

There’s no proof that the virus exists, or that Covid-19 isn’t rebranded flu.

347817 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1039 of 1728 🔗

I can go along with the second bit, the first para is absolutely wrong, even if there’s only me and Jon Rappoport.

347445 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 46, #1040 of 1728 🔗

Haven’t read all the comments although I think it might have been mentioned earlier but my experience yesterday heading out to the coast for the day compared to ‘stories’ propagated in the msm of the police clampdowns were widely different.

There were many people at the beach not a cop in site, no road closures and a fair amount of traffic on the M25 and M2.

I think the police responses (I am not denying its happening) and the msm propagating these stories has been to allow the govt to effectively rule by fear. This will have made many people and families afraid to go out.

In a genuine health scare no govt would need to rule by fear. The policy if generally motivated by peoples welfare would be to offer the best advice and concern. The fact that the msm and the govt have terrorised the populace for the last 10 months solid is illustration enough (for me) that this is not about a deadly virus on the loose but something much more (sinister).

And the Dr. interviewed on Classic FM news ‘angry’ that people are ‘going out doing things on a Saturday afternoon’ just beggars belief. What cosseted world does this individual live in where because the govt have not provided for any contingencies despite having a full 9 months to do it complete with a false test driving policies that result of which we need to ‘stay home and protect the nhs’ – I thought the NHS was there to protect us? Funny how if I’d known that I might not have been so keen to pay for it all these years. The idea to put our lives on hold to protect an ‘institution’ just fries my brain.

347461 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 21, #1041 of 1728 🔗

The government and NHS has had months to prepare for a winter surge in admissions. They built the Nightingale hospitals in record time, costing £millions….then didn’t use them.
They don’t appear to have recruited more temporary staff to help out, despite there being volunteers.
Their readiness preparation appears to have been to reduce the number of available beds instead of increasing them, and using a completely unsuitable test to test the staff which has resulted in not having enough ward staff.
Their preparations have made a bad situation worse.

I could think it’s deliberate, but having worked in the NHS for 35 years, in this instance I’m going with the complete c***-up theory.
I can guarantee that given the choice between a good idea and a bad one, they’ll always go with the bad one.

347446 Nick Rose, 50, #1042 of 1728 🔗

Spotted on Twitter (2):

347452 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 53, #1043 of 1728 🔗

Just to add – if the stories now beginning to float in the media are an example of previous policy implementations I think that we can expect curfews, outside mandatory masking and further closures in the very near future.

This lockdown is unravelling and so the stories of people at the beach and in the park are propagated to allow the govt to bring in the next wave of restrictions. This has been the pattern of behaviour at each set of restrictions.

This is the British govt at war with its own people. This is a very high risk strategy.

347458 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 30, #1044 of 1728 🔗

These are measures an occupying force would institute to maintain order over a subject population

347464 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to jonathan Palmer, 13, #1045 of 1728 🔗

The only way to enforce will be military. Having been in NI during the bad times I know only too well what happens if you have soldiers ‘supporting’ the police. Shots will be fired. People will die. That’s what soldiers are trained to do. I’m not taking any sides in that previous conflict. I felt very sorry for young Paras placed in impossible situations.

347489 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1046 of 1728 🔗

Or one a communist or fascist admin would impose on its own people.

347491 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to jonathan Palmer, 10, #1047 of 1728 🔗

I am of the opinion some sort of coup has taken place – either a policy coup or more likely bearing in mind the election something more.

But I agree they are behaving exactly as you describe.

347859 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #1048 of 1728 🔗

Little doubt that the coup has happened. If we want to know who is behind it, then just follow the vaccine money.

347488 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #1049 of 1728 🔗

It is a war. I recommend listening to this interview – give it a chance to really get going:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQfBo9Z1VJA

347493 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to chaos, 1, #1050 of 1728 🔗

Thanks will take a look.

347453 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 30, #1051 of 1728 🔗

DM showing crowds on beaches, the only place left. They’re like enemies of the people and its like the government have deliberately done this to create exactly this problem. Same as Khan with the trains, if they had left things open the crowds would be sparce, deliberate tactics to create crowding. Didnt think I could ever hate politicians as much.

347473 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to DanClarke, 10, #1052 of 1728 🔗

All NPIs seem to INCREASE the spread of Covid AND the severity of the disease, not to speak of their, far bigger, medical collateral damage.
Add in the medically totally misdirected focus on vaccines, instead of on a treatment and prophylactic drugs, and it is clear that this is either the most stupid decision mankind ever made and continues to make, or a deliberate and malicious destruction.

347540 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JayBee, 1, #1053 of 1728 🔗

I would go with the most obvious cause: “a deliberate and malicious destruction.” It is difficult to reason through to incompetence as the cause, because it would need too many people to be quite that stupid.

347880 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RichardJames, 1, #1054 of 1728 🔗

At least 95% of the population of the UK is quite obviously that stupid.

347956 ▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Annie, #1055 of 1728 🔗

Mass stupidity is what is driving the whole charade, this coupled with mass hysteria and an incompetent government who can’t arrange a piss up in a brewery.

347454 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 7, #1056 of 1728 🔗

Hi All. About to lose one of my oldest friends to Covidiotism. He was sceptical, but the latest terror campaign has proven too much. Also large final salary pension and enormous house so not affected. He believes in the NHS about to collapse diatribe. Can anyone reference me to the latest all cause death numbers for the last 20 years or so?

347465 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to eastender53, 13, #1057 of 1728 🔗

I posted this yesterday:

Year to date number of deaths and age-standardised mortality rates, deaths registered between 1 January and 30 November 2001 to 2020, England

Year   Number of deaths Rate per 100,000 population
2001   454,756     1,227.9
2002   454,687     1,216.1
2003   454,801     1,207.8
2004   436,209     1,146.0
2005   437,603     1,134.7
2006   432,515     1,105.2
2007   429,654     1,082.7
2008   425,657     1,060.0
2009   416,450     1,018.3
2010   416,028     997.7
2011   412,119     968.0
2012   427,111      982.3
2013   433,578      979.5
2014   422,396      933.6
2015   452,814      985.6
2016   448,167      958.2
2017   456,588      959.8
2018   467,149      965.7
2019   452,084      915.0
2020   517,148      1,029.4

Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020 .

In terms of Mortality Rates per 100,000 people, while 2020 is certainly out of kilter with the preceding 10 years, it is not at all out of kilter with the 9 years before then. Note, these are for the period January to November only.

2019 was abnormally low, possibly connected with a very mild winter?

Sorry, I can’t get the columns of data neatly aligned!

347512 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #1058 of 1728 🔗

Thanks. I’ll use that.

347526 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #1059 of 1728 🔗

This is just an idea – is the “ Rate per 100,000″ higher for 2020 because the health service has been so good at keeping people living longer?

In consequence there are a lot more people who vulnerable than in previous years?.

Consider if Covid had impacted say in 2004?

347562 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 5, #1060 of 1728 🔗

The exceptional event in 2020 was kicking the elderly and infirm out of hospital at three hours notice, many of them back into nursing homes.

Even those without covid 19 but with a different kind of common cold virus would have been lethally contagious:

‘Unexpectedly Higher Morbidity and Mortality of Hospitalized Elderly Patients Associated with Rhinovirus Compared with Influenza Virus Respiratory Tract Infection’
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343795/

347589 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #1061 of 1728 🔗

Charted it up for you

347497 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to jb12, 1, #1063 of 1728 🔗

jb12, yours just popped up as mine was submitted so I note I’ve replicated your link.

DavidC

347494 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to eastender53, 3, #1064 of 1728 🔗

Following on from DeepBlueYonder’s response. I’ve been following the data for several months now, it’s a bit tricky to find the underlying data but the following links might help.

1 – UK Population
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/august2019

2 – UK deaths
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/datasets/vitalstatisticspopulationandhealthreferencetables

3 – Historic UK death rate (from 1950. Set the last date to 2021, it projects out to 2102!)
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/death-rate

Note how the death rate has been falling since 1950, upticked a little bit since 2013 but still nowhere near 1950.

I haven’t been able to find population data prior to 1950 although the deaths data goes back to 1838.

I can provide the death rate figures going back to 1950 if desired (it’s a long list!), suffice it to say this year ranks at number 50 out of 70, it’s not even in the top third and the only years that have been better have all been since the year 2000.

DavidC

347462 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 30, #1065 of 1728 🔗

Make no mistake. What predicates all of the lockdown restrictions is the belief in Ferguson’s “Worst Case” projection. The fact that this is built of vagueries that did not even get a whiff of “Hang on a second” says everything that you need to know.

The Cult of Covid is that it is 10 times more deadly than the flu. Everything else flows from this. Testing bias, policy blindness, virtue signalling. All exagerrated nonsense.

So what do you do? Look after yourself first. Keep your mind healthy and your body healthy. And hope.

As St Augustine said:

“Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are.”

347472 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to mhcp, 6, #1066 of 1728 🔗

Bang on, I would nick that to post on facetwat but I’m banned again

347478 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to mhcp, 5, #1067 of 1728 🔗

Good advice. Yes, we are still following the Ferguson model. Robert Dingwall, also on NERVTAG, went as far as he could go in pointing to the roles of the various players in promoting, and sustaining the narrative – and why they are so doing. I am in the ‘get angry and stay angry’ camp. I have been viewed as brave by others in the past. I am worried now, however, because this is so embedded into the institutional infrastructure, it is going to take so much more than bravery to bring it crashing down.

347484 ▶▶ chaos, replying to mhcp, 3, #1068 of 1728 🔗

Anger and Corage are ok in small doses. Bit too serious for me. I prefer Hope’s younger twin daughters Easy and Saucy.

347538 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to chaos, 2, #1069 of 1728 🔗

I quite like bitterness.

347498 ▶▶ yohodi, replying to mhcp, 2, #1070 of 1728 🔗

Great, so this whole thing is based on Murphy’s law..who’da thunk it..

347591 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to yohodi, 1, #1071 of 1728 🔗

Probably. I’d say it’s also that there are many politicians and advisors who have embraced modelling as some sort of true measure of reality. Cummings certainly thought he was smarter than he actually is. No empirical sense or basic common sense from working in the real world.

347468 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 19, #1072 of 1728 🔗

Here’s a picture of a pair of researchers in a virus laboratory. Notice how the paper mask is all they need to protect each other and themselves from catching a virus. Oh, wait…

347474 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1073 of 1728 🔗

In another lab, not a million miles away, completely coincidental of course:

Wuhan Institute of Virology has scrubbed hundreds of studies from its site.
Details of over 300 studies, many of which focus on investigating diseases that transfer from animals to humans, are missing from the state-run National Natural Science Foundation of China (NSFC).

The NSFC also deleted all references to studies carried out by Shi Zhengli, the Wuhan-based virologist dubbed “Batwoman” in light of her trips to collect samples in bat caves.

The purge follows the Wuhan lab altering its database of viral pathogens in December 2019 as COVID-19 began to spread.

https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/ccp-wipes-covid-data/

347568 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #1074 of 1728 🔗

Did they get tips from Hilary Clinton on how to scrub data?

347571 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1075 of 1728 🔗

I’m not if this is true or not but I understand that the USA doesn’t do biological warfare research. But subcontracts it out to China.

347507 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Nick Rose, 10, #1076 of 1728 🔗

The paper mask isn’t to protect you, it’s to protect others, how can you be so heartless!

347532 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tee Ell, 4, #1077 of 1728 🔗

Neither are wearing one, so I guess that’s all right ;o))

347522 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1078 of 1728 🔗

Coming to Tescos next week.

347531 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1079 of 1728 🔗

lol

347477 NickR, replying to NickR, 19, #1080 of 1728 🔗

Chart cribbed from Joel Smalley but shows illustrates the position very well. We have broadly the same all cause mortality as normal but the implication from the BBC & government is always that the average 700 daily deaths is on top of the normal rather than a part of the normal total.

347485 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to NickR, 8, #1081 of 1728 🔗

As ever Nick, great chart and thanks.

DavidC

347490 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to DavidC, 2, #1082 of 1728 🔗

Agreed. Any idea what the definition of ‘baseline’ is?

347509 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Adamb, 3, #1083 of 1728 🔗

I believe it’s prior 5 year average, I should check.

347520 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to NickR, 3, #1084 of 1728 🔗

I think that’s right. There was a low flu year in 2018/2019 so the five year average is slightly lower than normal. Hence any return to the longer term average is going to show what appears to be a larger number of excess deaths. The five year average is only of limited value.

DavidC

347564 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to DavidC, 1, #1085 of 1728 🔗

Makes sense. Definitely a great chart to temper the scaremongering.

347745 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to DavidC, #1086 of 1728 🔗

However, the2017/18 & 2015 years were high flu deaths. Thank heavens for averages!

347548 ▶▶ Will, replying to NickR, #1087 of 1728 🔗

Brilliant charts NickR.

347560 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to NickR, 1, #1088 of 1728 🔗

I Looked at the Data from ONS weekly death statistics to week 52 (25 December) for 2020
Key points
Overall 16% of fatalities involved a positive Covid test
about 25 % of hospital fatalities involved Covid as did 17% of care home deaths – much less in other settings
The two weekly charts are to the same Y scale

347836 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Aslangeo, #1089 of 1728 🔗

You should add the 5 year average all cause mortality.

347483 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1090 of 1728 🔗

I suggest that Mr Callaghan is in contempt of court

Criminal proceedings have been commenced and the matter is now sub judice. Despite that Callaghan has given a chapter and verse account of what he believes to have occurred despite not even being there himself

He has deliberately prejudiced future criminal proceedings and should resign

This is trial by mob

Where is the Attorney General?

hpps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-55609185

347500 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1092 of 1728 🔗

Flash mobs? I think they mean crowds/groups.

If it was stage managed, great work. I don’t care, as it doesn’t change the fact that police were heavy-handed based on people being outside – and not giving their name because they had done nothing criminal.

347529 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tee Ell, 8, #1093 of 1728 🔗

If it was stage managed that just changes the message from “police are heavy-handedly enforcing literally stupid rules”, to “police are heavy-handedly enforcing literally stupid rules and are too stupid to spot a setup”.

347533 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1094 of 1728 🔗

So the miscreants have been ‘de-arrested’. Have they also been debullied or dehumiliated? Will the plods who didn’t know the difference between ‘laws’ and ‘guidelines’ be suitably censored? I doubt it.

347487 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 13, #1095 of 1728 🔗

The Phantom Raspberry Blower of Olde Bournemouth Beach is caught sitting on a bench. Dorset can sleep safe at night, thanks to the glories of the Boys In Blue!

347511 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1096 of 1728 🔗
347516 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, #1097 of 1728 🔗

Sorry already posted below

347525 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to arfurmo, #1098 of 1728 🔗

If so, why weren’t they charged with impersonating a police officer?

347624 ▶▶▶ houdini, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1099 of 1728 🔗

The brave policemen are apparently real; the bbc suggestion I think is that the arrestees were protesters pretending to be ‘normal people’ flagrantly sitting on a bench and thereby winding up the officers .
Discuss any criminal offences arising.

347630 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to houdini, 3, #1100 of 1728 🔗

‘Flagrantly’ sitting on a bench? lol

347513 ▶▶ peter-, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #1101 of 1728 🔗

Only took 3 of them as well. Their bravery and self sacrifice is an example to us all.

347515 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1102 of 1728 🔗

Compare and contrast the behaviour of Dorset’s finest with the policing of the crowd gathering for the Marine vs Spurs FA Cup game…

347523 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #1103 of 1728 🔗

unfortunately looks like no large groups in neighbouring back gardens. I wonder if the bizzies have been round prior to kick off and had a quiet word .

347499 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 29, #1104 of 1728 🔗

Twitter is a-changing. Halfway, so I suppose it’s Twitler for the moment…

347823 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nick Rose, #1105 of 1728 🔗

Vichy postcard advertising a 1942 conference.

Cette véritable « vassalisation » de la France par l’Allemagne fut présentée par les propagandistes comme une collaboration étroite dans le cadre d’une Europe nouvelle dont le moteur serait l’Allemagne.
Un slogan de la propagande pro-nazie était :

« Une France forte dans une Europe unie ».


Cette carte postale s’inscrivait dans cette politique de propagande visant à ce que les Français consentent à l’asservissement de leur pays.

http://www.decorecup.com/2016/03/cpa-france-europeenne-paques-1942.html

Now we are the vassals of US oligarchical collectivists and their political enablers in thrall to the totalitarian CCP and its ‘efficient’ lockdowns.

347872 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #1106 of 1728 🔗

The French have consented to the covvenslavement of their country. Just as the British have. Zombyism knows no borders.

347504 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1107 of 1728 🔗

So THAT’s where ‘flu went! (Not behind the paywall, click away from free trial box and article should be legible)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/09/people-common-colds-testing-positive-covid-19-may-simply-asymptomatic/

347524 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1108 of 1728 🔗

Made me laugh. What a load of twaddle.

347517 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 22, #1109 of 1728 🔗

Finally got around to registering and logging in – preferred the old unlogged in way but c’est la vie.

Since the New Year, my family have gone backwards – I had a row with my parents last weekend over their attitude and presented facts to rebut their emotions. It ended with me pointing out that the only “virus” they were suffering from is fear. The “case” numbers in Ireland are now so large that they have decided to cocoon and don’t want anyone visiting. As they were my support bubble, that means I am now alone.

On the plus side, as I took the car for a drive today solely to keep the battery alive, I noticed the motorway signs have reverted to travel times and advising people to get winter ready (the latter is an annual campaign in the Republic of Ireland to do with ensuring water pipes in your house are lagged, what to do in the case of heavy snow etc – nothing to do with COVID). The police also weren’t out on the motorway conducting checks.

347530 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1110 of 1728 🔗

Do you have roadblocks etc ??

347536 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to ituex, 2, #1111 of 1728 🔗

We had until the pre-Christmas relaxation of rules. Haven’t seen them back since then even though we are back in the highest level of lockdown.

347543 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1112 of 1728 🔗

Supposed to fly over later in week for meeting, was a bit concerned. Thanks.

347546 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1113 of 1728 🔗

Tá súil agam beidh do thuismitheoirí ag cuir cuiradh duit sula ró fhada. Beir bua!

347551 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1114 of 1728 🔗

I still don’t understand the sign in thing, I joined last may/June and I’ve always had to sign in to post ????

347583 ▶▶▶▶ suitejb, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1115 of 1728 🔗

I don’t understand it either. I never had to sign in until recently and I’ve been posting occasionally for ages.

347627 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1116 of 1728 🔗

I had a problem recently. I think I subscribed again with a different email address.

Now I get “Hi, Ned of the Hills” in the top right hand corner, which I don’t like as it is over familiar.

If I can click on it I can Log Out and even edit my profile which I don’t have.

347575 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1117 of 1728 🔗

I’ve had the same argument today with my mum. Friendly but an argument all the same. I said to her that if she now wants to not have me call round then she should now know that they have no intention of ending this in 6 weeks. They’ve lied consistently (Northern Ireland) and you’ll be doing this till Easter and beyond.

347592 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1118 of 1728 🔗

I appreciate I’ve been so lucky with my mum – 82 and fiercely sceptical, she’s been out and about mask less and has already refused the vaccine “at least for now”. So it’s been good to let off steam together since the OH is ‘stop going on, it is what it is’ and in-laws are convinced “we’ll be safe once we’ve had the vaccine”. Having said that none of them have completely complied.

347869 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1119 of 1728 🔗

Second week in January and you’re just starting to get winter ready?

347527 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 38, #1120 of 1728 🔗

Priti ‘Dim’ Patel and Wancock both saying the reason that numbers are increasing is that people aren’t following the ‘rules’…..or are they guidelines? Absolutely no possibility that these ‘rules’ have no effect, followed or not. It’s doubling down, the chancers last resort.

347534 ▶▶ mj, replying to eastender53, 13, #1121 of 1728 🔗

rules? law? guidelines? regulations?
the government is being deliberately obtuse so the public dont know wtf to do, neither do the police or anyone else. And so enforcement / guidance is based on the interpretation of plod

347535 ▶▶ Will, replying to eastender53, 14, #1122 of 1728 🔗

Actually the numbers are falling not that lockdown has anything to do with it. The problem for the lockdown zealots is that everyone knows that no one is paying the slightest attention to lockdown…

347580 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to eastender53, 10, #1123 of 1728 🔗

Assuming that most covid patients in hospital, particularly the seriously ill, are likely to have been vulnerable then surely they will have been taking all the precautions they could. Masks, distancing, isolation, sanitising. How the hell are they catching it then? Who are these hospital patients?

347615 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to suitejb, 3, #1124 of 1728 🔗

They catch it in hospital?

347961 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Alice, #1125 of 1728 🔗

Yes

347586 ▶▶ leggy, replying to eastender53, 11, #1126 of 1728 🔗

Fairly sure that 82.4 year olds are not attending illegal raves.

347608 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to leggy, 9, #1127 of 1728 🔗

My mum 82.5 would if she could. Make up for missing her curling and WI “for all this lockdown nonsense. Not in my name”.

347590 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to eastender53, 19, #1128 of 1728 🔗

Enhanced comment from the Telegraph
Funny isn’t it, PHE and NHS managers fail to plan over summer and we get the blame for sitting on a park bench or going for a walk!

347599 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to eastender53, 19, #1129 of 1728 🔗

Can’t take credit for it, but I’ll paraphrase a comment I saw on another site yesterday — the flu has all but disappeared because of social distancing, sanitizing and mask wearing, but Covid is killing so many people because people aren’t following the rules. The degree of cognitive dissonance on such a mass scale is staggering!

347610 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to eastender53, 3, #1130 of 1728 🔗

Yep.. the fact that ‘cases’ have risen all over the world at various points in the last year – it’s all because of those that stopped ‘following the science’. They stopped sciencing at the same time! If only they could keep sciencing! 🙂

347653 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to eastender53, 4, #1131 of 1728 🔗

Its an argument even if true doesn’t hold up, even if only half of people followed the “rules” their whole narrative has been reduce transmission to mitigate pressure on health care, Their measures if at all effective should have achieved that goal by 50%.

If the new strain was as infectious as they claim (& they claimed the original wuh-flu was highly contagious) then if its been about since September it should have flooded across the country within weeks!

None of it adds up to sound scientific theory/facts. Quarrantine can work, its been proven to work eg. Rabies, but lockdown would have to be so draconian we would all die of starvation with in months!

347541 Mars-in-Aries, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 29, #1132 of 1728 🔗

Juliet Samual was wrong. It is not the lack of beds that is the limiting factor in the NHS, it is the number of staff who have been sent home to self-isolate because they have been ‘in contact’ with someone who tested positive. This is a new trick by the NHS and we can expect this general principle to be applied to more diseases than Covid 19. From now on, the NHS will permanently have more staff at home ‘self-isolating’ than in the hospital at work.

347569 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 6, #1133 of 1728 🔗

The beds are down by about 1/5 overall however.

347642 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1134 of 1728 🔗

Yes – it is a real factor, stemming from an already low level compounded by a reduction for social distancing.

347542 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 13, #1135 of 1728 🔗

One more thought. If it’s the ‘spirit of the law’ that is now the criteria for prosecution one assumes that tax avoidance (not paying the moral amount of tax) will now become illegal. That should go down well with Boris’s chums.

347549 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to eastender53, 6, #1136 of 1728 🔗

I doubt there will be many judges who would convict somebody on the basis that it wasn’t in the spirit of the law.

347604 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Nobody2021, #1137 of 1728 🔗

I agree. that said, the 6 months, year (or whatever) it might take to get to trial, whilst remaining under some cloud of suspicion, is not something that everybody could stomach.

347655 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1138 of 1728 🔗

That’s a fair point and I think the message they want to convey is probably what they’re aiming for with stricter enforcement.

347662 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Nobody2021, #1139 of 1728 🔗

A pedant writes -judges don’t act as jury except in extreme circumstances and would chuck out any case without a realistic chance of conviction.

347547 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #1140 of 1728 🔗

False Positives

I think it’s a mistake to say that the majority of cases are or could be false positives. It’s another one of these terms that is oft used incorrectly.

The PCR tests amplify what is already there, they don’t create it out of nothing. This is why it’s possible for countries to have no cases. The virus wasn’t prevalent enough for them to find it.

However, what some people may be mistakenly calling a false positive is somebody who has fragments of the virus in their system but is otherwise not infected or infectious. In this case they will show up as positive because the PCR test has amplified something that was there.

It’s important to make this distinction because to say that most or all cases are false positives will weaken your argument and likely undermine credibility.

347557 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1141 of 1728 🔗

Agreed. I think we can go a step further and say the majority of PCR tests will be correct – provided prevalence is not really low, cycle threshold is kept within reasonable bounds, and good operational specificity is maintained.

All of these are testable outcomes – you could double test certain people and combine with antibody tests to understand your baseline prevalence, you could publish curves of positivity rates against Ct values for tests, and you could publish rates for certain testing sites / PCR tech used. If they did this, it would help their credibility.

347561 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #1142 of 1728 🔗

And they don’t because it would ruin the myth of their credibility

347573 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #1143 of 1728 🔗

Antibody tests aren’t perfect. Some people never produce them as not needed and they will disappear naturally over time. Cell culture is the only 100% accurate way but is time consuming and not really practical on a large scale. PCR can work well if double testing of positives at a sensible <35 Ct rate is used.

347635 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tee Ell, 5, #1144 of 1728 🔗

As Kerry Mullis pointed out the test just tells you what is there. It is the interpretation that is key – and identifying a random RNA fragment as a viral illness is a ‘false positive’ – a wrong interpretation.

Using Ct>20-25 is, essentially fraudulent.

347558 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #1145 of 1728 🔗

Prof Jay Battacharya at Stanford explains the distinction well here. There are actual false positives due to contamination for example, but also functional false positives due to high CTs picking up viral fragments of no significance.

https://youtu.be/W4gbRHBSGk0

347566 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #1146 of 1728 🔗

Actually PCR tests can effectively create something out of nothing, if you specify the nothing. If ‘nothing’ includes dead virus traces then stupidly high Ct numbers will do that. Contamination in non professional labs will cause an totally false positive reference the contaminated sample. Also at high Ct numbers other similar virus fragments will possible be detected, again something from nothing as far as the SARS Covid-2 virus is concerned.

347594 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1147 of 1728 🔗

Any test can potentially give a totally false result – one of the reasons why the NHS have plastered in several places on their websites, ‘no test is 100% accurate’. Several examples from the last year or so, of people testing positive for all kinds of life-changing diagnoses’, only to be told much later that the NHS made a booboo. eg. lady in Whitstable was reported recently being diagnosed with cancer; went through up to 18 months of chemo & body-altering treatment, only to be told, “sorry, the test was wrong. you’re perfectly fine!”

347637 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1148 of 1728 🔗

Of course. However, the feature of current PCR testing is that the relationship to diagnosis is so remote as to be meaningless in practical terms – and knowingly so.

347605 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #1149 of 1728 🔗

Carl Heneghan said in June 2020 that if we keep testing with PCR there will still be “cases”, even if Sars CoV-2 is no longer present.
Remember the Tanzania “cases”? Some tarmac, a goat and a piece of fruit.
And that guy who did the test on himself twice because he didn’t want to subject his disabled son to the intrusive test. One positive, one negative. PCR unlikely to miss the negative at the CT used.
And we are still in “low prevalence”, relatively speaking. Tests with an assumption of 10% of population infected will still show about 5% false positives (although exact FP rate still unknown) which when you’re doing a half a million tests is a lot.

347628 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1150 of 1728 🔗

I think that you may be right in distinguishing sources of inaccuracy.

However, given that the term ‘positive’ means the presence of an actual infectious virus , the inaccuracies that pretend to be such are indeed ‘false positives’, whatever the origin – be it random RNA fragments, contamination, or over-amplification.

So – no credibility problem or weakened argument, given that any PCR test has to be properly scrutinized and confirmed by actual diagnosis. Simply – any positive finding without symptoms is ‘false’.

347673 ▶▶▶ Suey, replying to RickH, 1, #1151 of 1728 🔗

But, but, but: “RT-PCR detects presence of viral genetic material in a sample but is not able to distinguish whether infectious virus is present .” From PHE, Oct 2020 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

347638 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1152 of 1728 🔗

Its a sad fact that very few people have any interest in facts let alone complex facts that require considerable explanation. No ones interested in the nuanced PCR scandal!

It is mostly people on the left (socialists & liberals) who are lockdown zealots, if you want to get their attention & drive the narrative focus on something more emotive, NHS failures to meet capacity, even the government by proscribing lockdowns is admitting its own failures! Only one party has been running the NHS for the last decade, the lefties would jump on this chance to protest this.

347553 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 34, #1153 of 1728 🔗

I will be speaking to someone who is not a sceptic in the next few days and wonder if I have got this right. Science now works as follows

1) Pick an idea that aligns with the correct political agenda and is in tune with wherever your funding comes from.

2) Construct a model based on pre-conceived ideas.

3) Find data that agrees with the model.

4) Discard data that does not align with the model.

5) The results of the model are scientifically proven and do not need to be peer reviewed.

6) With the aid of the media, eliminate all sources of criticism (call them science deniers).

7) Present to the populace via the Government.

My friend is someone I went to school with who is now an Emeritus Professor so his reaction should be interesting.

347567 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Biggles, 6, #1154 of 1728 🔗

1-4 have, apart from the political element, always been the same. Always follow the money in medical and pharmaceutical research. Have a suspicion 5 was always thus too. 6 is usually get tame journalist to write sensational story in paper.

347595 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to ituex, 5, #1155 of 1728 🔗

For 5 one could always have the peer review done by like-minded colleagues who are onboard with 1.

347572 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #1156 of 1728 🔗

This is from the BBC, who are impartial, and it’s by a doctor, so it must be correct, cos we aren’t doctors innit?

[Prof Horby] told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: “I really hope people take this very seriously. It was bad in March, it’s much worse now.
“We’ve seen record numbers across the board, record numbers of cases, record numbers of hospitalisations, record numbers of deaths.”

So, it’s worse than ever then, maybe unprecedented, even…

347582 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1157 of 1728 🔗

Record numbers of deaths?

347585 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to leggy, 2, #1158 of 1728 🔗

A record number of death certificates being processed in a 24 hour period maybe but certainly not deaths.

347616 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to dpj, 3, #1159 of 1728 🔗

There has been record number of “reported” deaths – because of the late reporting over the festive season.

What the genuine number is for the highest day’s figure so far this winter might not be known for a fortnight but I doubt it will exceed April’s highest number  .

347648 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to dpj, 5, #1160 of 1728 🔗

Data for England only.

Highest number of deaths since Sept 1st currently stands at 695 on Jan 4th.

Highest number since March 2020 was 974 on April 8th.

There were 18 days in April 2020 which recorded higher death tolls than Jan 4th 2021.

347609 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 10, #1161 of 1728 🔗

It is amazing how absolute, indisputable lies are allowed to pass without challenge.

The entire summer-autumn-winter period has been typified by totally unexceptional mortality levels. The main anomaly was the extremely low level during the summer!

347584 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1162 of 1728 🔗

‘record number of cases’ is an interesting statement, being as what they call a ‘case’ is revealed after a test. How many tests were being done in late Feb, March 2020? I’m guessing not a lot!

347688 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1163 of 1728 🔗

Earliest case recorded in the ONS figures is Jan 31st. Test figures don’t start until later in April. Go figure?

347619 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #1164 of 1728 🔗

It was bad in March, it’s much worse now

Even after a whole year of lockdowns & other worthless mitigation measures that go against decades of science & medical knowledge, so yes lets hope people start to take note of lockdowns futility.

There’s two viable options focus on protecting the most vulnerable & give everyone their human rights back. Or increase NHS capacity & give everyone their human rights back.

LOCKDOWNS DO NOT & CAN NOT WORK, you cant lockdown forever or hard enough for them to work, they’ve forgotten what their objective was, it was to prolong the pandemic to hide their maladministration, Incompetence & corruption in the NHS.

But they are getting away with it with this misdirection & obfuscation.

347704 ▶▶ rd0, replying to Sam Vimes, 11, #1165 of 1728 🔗

I raised a complaint yesterday against the BBC News channel as they supported the statement “that over 1000 people die every day of COVID”. A complete lie!
We need everybody to do the same.

347705 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1166 of 1728 🔗

Definitely worse. They’ve used even more orange and black and combined it with even scarier words

347845 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1167 of 1728 🔗

When you bleed out in video games your screen looks like this..It’s supposed to remind the young people of when you die in a video game.

348133 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to PoshPanic, #1168 of 1728 🔗

As I understand it, this isn’t true. You can only “get it” if you are susceptible to it. Not everyone is. If that is the view of the NHS, then it calls into question many other things that they claim.

347588 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 17, #1169 of 1728 🔗

There was a large drop in in the reported Covid deaths today.

I wondered how the Radio 4 News would handle this. I’ve just heard.

It was admitted it was a very large drop – but it was a very high number for a Sunday.

347613 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #1170 of 1728 🔗

For goodness sake, the media actually want there to be thousands of deaths don’t they? “Bring out yer dead! Read all about it”. Irresponsible journalism.

347857 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Liz F, 1, #1171 of 1728 🔗

The media love death. So long as it’s covvisadlideath and not just ordinary death like we used to have.

347640 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #1172 of 1728 🔗

Yes -todays drop was bad news per the Express https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1382196/covid-deaths-news-record-latest-sunday-cases-figures-statistics-hospitals-lockdown “A further 563 people had died within 28 days of testing positive for the virus – an increase of more than 100 fatalities since last Sunday’s figures. The rise in the death toll is set to be a cause for concern as there has often been a delay in the reporting of the coronavirus figures during the weekends.”

347721 ▶▶ rd0, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1174 of 1728 🔗

What a surprise – we had Xmas day, boxing day, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, New years day, and another weekend with reduced numbers as the reporting is delayed.
I wouldn’t be surprised if tomorrow is lower, oh – but another weekend has passed.
The daily rate is increasing from 600 – 700 -800. no where near 1000 yet.

347596 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 23, #1175 of 1728 🔗

I made a joke below and felt compelled to make this meme for it:

347804 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1176 of 1728 🔗

My second wife found the website discussed here. You are not alone, help is at hand.

https://www.cracked.com/blog/least-believable-page-on-the-web-large-penis-support-group/

347614 Hawkins_94, replying to Hawkins_94, 56, #1177 of 1728 🔗

The rhetoric on this site about vaccines seems misplaced to me. My wife (NHS) and I are mid 20s and have no intention of taking it, and I imagine there will be many like us who are quite happy to give it a miss. What then? My suspicion is that the British propaganda machine will turn on the selfish eejits who are refusing to do their “duty” Will we then face renewed calls for mandatory vaccinations, or vaccine passports? Will we become second class citizens. You would be brave indeed to suggest that is not a possibility, particularly when the Lockdown Sceptics and Talk Radio and those with similiar opinions on this matter are embracing mass vaccinations so readily.

I watched The Dark Knight yesterday once again and was struck by the potency of the scene involving the two boats. One full of prisoners, the other full of “ordinary” folks. The Joker has stacked both boats with bombs and given each boat the detonator for the other. A classic game theory dilemma.

Anyway, I had forgotten the ordinary citizens had actually voted (substantially) in favour of blowing up the prisoners, whereas a prisoner threw their detonator out the window. So when vaccine uptake is not 100% and the government says “well, we would lift restrictions, but for the 20% of people who have refused to take the vaccine” there will be immense pressure. The ordinary citizens will scream and shout and say “they had their chance” and would gratefully receive a vaccine passport in order to separate us vs them so they could pursue their lives at the expense of others.

Lockdown Sceptics, Talk Radio and others are hailing the vaccine as the escape plan we’ve all been waiting for, but I don’t buy it. Totalitarianism and group think is more embedded than is perhaps realised. Lockdowns have come from China…and in the past year so has their political thinking. We now have state propaganda and a ramping up of censorship, bullying and control. Youtube’s attempt to crush Talk Radio was apparently one step too soon, but there’s more of this to come.

I would love to think of the vaccinations as a sensible option for those who feel at risk from the virus, but it seems to me they also be used as a political weapon to demonise anyone who does not wish to take it.

347631 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Hawkins_94, 26, #1178 of 1728 🔗

I agree absolutely. I’m 59 and wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole.
All of us in this country have grown up believing that seeking medical interventions of any type was voluntary and a matter of choice.
However, there has been a push in recent years – the anti-vax rhetoric, pushing statins and trying to persuade people to have scans (eg breast cancer, leading to 4000 women per year having unnecessary and horrible treatment). There is no doubt in my mind that big pharma has been pushing this and the medical profession are their (sometimes unwitting) handmaids.
The country should be grateful for those of us who largely shun medical treatment, as we save the country money. Don’t forget that 8% of hospital admissions are for ADRs. There is a lot of iatrogenic illness out there.
To think we should be coerced into any form of treatment is a disgrace and the worst infringement on our liberty.

347643 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Jo, 11, #1179 of 1728 🔗

I would say we should all consider neutralising the parole they use saying we are selfish and got blood on our hands etc. by saying the same. The only thing known about Lockdowns with certainty is that they kill people, destroy lives and livelihoods and they who propose them are selfish and callous people. The benefit is none that has been proven. This should be our mantra. Ad hominem, it works.

347709 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Jo, 7, #1180 of 1728 🔗

I absolutely resent the ‘an appointment has been made for you ‘ kind of letters that land on my doormat and the fact that information about opting out is hard to find and made difficult. People shouldn’t automatically be opted into something they didn’t ask for particularly if the end result is being receiving invasive medical treatment for something that may have never become a problem.
Yesterday I received another if these ‘private and confidential’ letters from the NHS which I suspect was to offer me a flu vaccine as being 60 I’m now in the cohort for this. I returned the letter unopened with the box addressee no longer at this address checked. I hope this will lead me to being removed from my GPs list and no further hounding.

347651 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Hawkins_94, 12, #1181 of 1728 🔗

Totally agree and I have no intention of taking it either. Why would I when I have over 99% of recovering from Covid should I be unlucky enough to catch it!

347667 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hawkins_94, 7, #1182 of 1728 🔗

Exactly my thoughts about today’s post. What I find astonishing is the assumption that vaccines are the only solution. Especially given that they are still undergoing clinical trials and have only been given emergency usage authorisation by the UK government i.e. they are unlicensed products. The simple fact of the matter is that no one can possibly know if these vaccines will work.

A two-tier society based on vaccination status is looking more and more likely. Once such a system is in place, it will be very difficult to reverse. If it goes that far, I personally will not be hanging around for very long.

347766 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, 3, #1183 of 1728 🔗

I will – I’ll be getting my vaccine card on ebay.

347675 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Hawkins_94, 12, #1184 of 1728 🔗

How can anything that doesn’t prevent one from getting the disease but merely reduces symptoms be called a vaccine? It can’t.

DavidC

347732 ▶▶▶ rd0, replying to DavidC, 7, #1185 of 1728 🔗

The vaccines will have one of 3 options:

  1. no effect
  2. no measurable effect (via PCR test), but might be working
  3. adverse effect – my personal expectation in the longer term.

Expecting a vaccince to solve this is expecting too much.

347738 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to DavidC, 4, #1186 of 1728 🔗

You are correct, David, but it doesn’t matter. The Pleblic think the vaccine is the answer to everything – that’s why the government are pushing it – and as long as the plebs think that, they will be happy.

347695 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Hawkins_94, 15, #1187 of 1728 🔗

I have no intention of taking it as I believe it isn’t the magic get out jail card and the masses are being mislead into believing it is and will not lead to normality pre Feb 2020.

My concern is that it is the start of continual vaccinations and lockups, 3-4 a year and in years to come they could feasibly contain all sorts of tracking devices (I know sounds crazy). Social credits, health passports, cashless society, 24 hour surveillance and a global government are all entirely feasible.

I also think we will see the mind control and propaganda being turned up to 11 and would not be surprised to see sceptics be labelled as a serious threat and domestic terrorists.

Then again the government can’t organise a hand job in a brothel so it will never happen but yearly lockups in the name of health, false flag terrorist attacks or environmental issues will be used against us.

This whole psy op has been a test and the masses have failed or passed.

347754 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hawkins_94, 3, #1188 of 1728 🔗

Your comments ring very true and the over warm welcome for the highly suspect Covid vaccines is indeed disturbing. Many of the pro-vaccinators are paid trolls, but others are simply deluded individuals. There can be no good reason to have these liability free hardly tested and highly experimental “vaccines” injected into our bodies, this for an infection, which over 99.7% will survive and only kills those that are already dying of something more virulent. Covid-19 mortality is so like that of a seasonal flu, that it might just be seasonal flu, making Covid an utter scam.

As for Talk Radio, it was always likely that it would wilt under pressure. Hopefully some of its more sensible respondents like Peter Hitchens and Neal Oliver will be made of sterner stuff.

348145 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Hawkins_94, 2, #1189 of 1728 🔗

It’s really heart warming to hear of young people waking up and standing firm against the vaccine nonsense. I’m 67 and won’t be taking it (ever). Around 10% of the adult population are likely to refuse so that’s about 5 million people – we will still have friends!

347617 BJJ, replying to BJJ, #1190 of 1728 🔗

Anyone got at hand the meta study about the correlation between NPI made by various countries and the number of “Covid deaths” in the same countries?

347815 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1192 of 1728 🔗

Thanks a million

347620 Jo, 7, #1193 of 1728 🔗

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/canadian-experts-research-finds-lockdown-harms-are-10-times-greater-than-benefits

(Note the similarities between Canada and the UK)

You studied the role modelling played in shaping public opinion. Can you break that down for us?
I think that the initial modelling and forecasting were inaccurate. This led to a contagion of fear and policies across the world. Popular media focused on absolute numbers of COVID-19 cases and deaths independent of context. There has been a sheer one-sided focus on preventing infection numbers. The economist Paul Frijters wrote that it was “all about seeming to reduce risks of infection and deaths from this one particular disease, to the exclusion of all other health risks or other life concerns.” Fear and anxiety spread, and we elevated COVID-19 above everything else that could possibly matter. Our cognitive biases prevented us from making optimal policy: we ignored hidden ‘statistical deaths’ reported at the population level, we preferred immediate benefits to even larger benefits in the future, we disregarded evidence that disproved our favorite theory, and escalated our commitment in the set course of action.

347621 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 5, #1194 of 1728 🔗

Feels like sceptical comment in the press is at a low lately. Maybe the usual contributors are all too scared to pursue the line given recent ‘death’ numbers. Let’s just hope the pattern of relatively normal all cause mortality persists and the argument can come back into the mainstream again.

347649 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Adamb, 2, #1195 of 1728 🔗

What do you mean ‘lately’?

347652 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Adamb, 5, #1196 of 1728 🔗

Don’t think it’s the current death numbers that has the waverers worried – those are pretty obviously just an issue of reporting date.

I think what most are concerned about is the evidently genuine pressure now on the NHS in London, as confirmed here yesterday – not the usual wolf-cryers in the msm, government and “opposition”, and where that might lead. Even those like me whose opposition to lockdown and panic is a matter of principle and therefore not affected by the numbers have to be concerned about that, because if nothing else it adversely affects the politics.

347746 ▶▶▶ rd0, replying to Mark, 3, #1197 of 1728 🔗

I completely disagree. The BBC is peddling the “over 1000 deaths a day”.
75% of the public believe this!
But it’s an easily proven lie. So why do they continue to believe these lies?
Roll on Heil Boris!

347795 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to rd0, 1, #1198 of 1728 🔗

I wasn’t really referring to the bulk of the population, but rather to the sceptical press voices the op referred to as being a bit subdued.

347622 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 8, #1199 of 1728 🔗

Hospitals about to be overwhelmed. With rare foresight the Nightingales were conceived, designed and constructed earlier this year, at great expense. They went virtually unused. Now at least one (Excel) is useless in terms of it’s design purpose. Has anyone seen a good analysis of this project? Was just a ‘beard’ to make it look as if steps were being taken or was it a serious solution? Did staff ever exist to run them? If they were up and running now how would that leave the NHS?

347641 ▶▶ ituex, replying to eastender53, 10, #1200 of 1728 🔗

They could never have worked how the government said they would. They had the idea they would be used as giant ITUs with ventilated patients. One doctor and multiple healthcare assistants. ITU doctors and nurses are highly specialized, most other specialities have zero clue how ITU works. HCA are not even ‘proper’ nurses. They are the old ‘auxiliaries’. This is not to play down the value of HCA , who are important in their usual role, but would be completely out of their depth.
The idea that this could be done was as laughable as it was terrifying.
Rant over.

347629 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1201 of 1728 🔗

E.M Forster, The Machine Stops, is amazingly prophetic

347639 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to DavidC, 1, #1203 of 1728 🔗

Excellent, thanks

347717 ▶▶ number 6, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1204 of 1728 🔗

Always thought so, even before this current farce. Hits the nail squarely on the head. Was written circa 1909, the prophesy really hurts now.

Well I must sign off now, got the second half of a DVD to finish – The Day Of The Triffids” full BBC serial. Then tomorrow morning I can step outside and get the real aura of the John Wyndham novel.

347737 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to number 6, 2, #1205 of 1728 🔗

So true.

The Covid meteor shower has resulted in many of our species being able to move around on their own but are masked vegetables.

347825 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to number 6, 2, #1206 of 1728 🔗

“THERE IS ONE HERE WHO CAN SEE!”

347634 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 58, #1207 of 1728 🔗

Hi Everyone,

Its time to talk about what lockdowns have done to fundraising. Thousands of families use platforms like Just4children to raise money for medical treatments and specialist equipment for children with disabilities. My grandson, like so many with neurological movement disorders cannot walk, or run or play like other children and needs regular input for life. For two years we raised our own money through sponsored walks, runs, cake sales and events.

This money pays for splints, physio equipment like treadmills and vibration plates to use at home, walkers, commodes, trikes etc. NHS provision is often so basic or non existent this fundraising is essential and never a luxury. Our ‘pot’ is now disappearing fast as the opportunities are just not there any more and to top it all the few public spaces that these children can access like soft play centres and swimming pools have closed, along with the rehab centres.Home visits from therapists are a thing of the past and have been replaced by offers of Zoom calls. Every day I try to lighten the load on my daughter and son in law ( he works in ICU!) by providing childcare.

Today on my walk on the Downs I had a strange experience. I found myself pleading with the powers that be – I’m not even religious or dramatic by nature but this came over me. I started to ask someone (?) If they could promise me that this deprivation would stop now and they could promise me that my grandson would get all the help he needed I would gladly give up my life for him.

I’ve had a good, exciting life and it seems that in the greater scheme of things a child’s future is more important than what is left of mine. When will all this end? Every day is a trial. The damage to young children is irrevocable. Those in charge of decisions are deranged in their obsession with the prevention of old peoples’ deaths (and those who are already unwell). Can they not see that all children are precious?

347822 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Marialta, 5, #1208 of 1728 🔗

I am guessing that all the people who you used to interact with, the official bodies, just shrug their shoulders now and say well cos covid there is nothing we can do right? Are they upset and worried too?

347891 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1209 of 1728 🔗

Indeed, the professionals and the nursery manager ( who is using it as an excuse to keep her nursery closed) are all like that.

It’s so disheartening because the parents who post on the relevant Facebook groups are incredibly long suffering. They post about how many appointments their children have missed and how long their kids’ orthopaedic and spinal operations are being delayed.

My daughters a full on sceptic who has had to stop posting anything about Covid or face criticism. It’s been 18 months since she’s seen a neurodisability consultant in person. But it’s always been a struggle to get services. Covid has just pushed it over the edge.

348149 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Marialta, 1, #1210 of 1728 🔗

This is terrible. It really is. Really terrible.

347848 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Marialta, 7, #1211 of 1728 🔗

I am so sorry for what you and your family are going through. You’ve brought me to tears. I wish I had some words of comfort or even any words at all, but I am literally speechless at the heartlessness of these lockdown cretins. I was at a Zoom meeting with Vaccine Choice Canada last night and our guest speaker was Dr. Sherry Tenpenny (lots on here will have heard of her). Something she said stuck with me — we need to fight this tyranny so our grandchildren don’t spit on our graves one day. You are a living testament to this and I commend you for doing what you can to make your grandson’s life easier. Keep up the fight!

347849 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Marialta, 7, #1212 of 1728 🔗

Sounds like you’ e been praying.Don’t be ashamed of it.
Don’t expect an instant answer, either. The fight against evil never going to be easy. The crucial thing is to be fighting on the right side, as you are.

347851 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Marialta, 5, #1213 of 1728 🔗

Have you written to your MP about this? Copy in people like Desmond Swayne, Charles Walker and Graham Brady. They need to hear stories like yours. I’m so sorry for what you and your family are going through.

347858 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Liz F, 7, #1214 of 1728 🔗

Tomorrow is letter writing day

348020 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, 1, #1215 of 1728 🔗

Sad isn’t it that the NHS can be given £millions for a useless (and pointless) IT programme but “can’t afford” to provide basic equipment for the disabled.

348100 ▶▶ Paddy, replying to Marialta, 1, #1216 of 1728 🔗

Marialta, have you shared your story with ‘Victims of Lockdown’? https://www.victimsoflockdown.com/

It struck a nerve with me, and I imagine will for many others.

347636 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 13, #1217 of 1728 🔗

Do you remember AIDS, well it’s still about and killing about 1 million people per year and there still is no vaccine for it.

347661 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #1218 of 1728 🔗

That calls for a lockdown then. Shut all the gay clubs… Oh wait…

347691 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1219 of 1728 🔗

Or is it?

347696 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1220 of 1728 🔗

… but, of course, it was always over-hyped as a danger. Just like Covid.

347644 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #1221 of 1728 🔗

The other dead give away about this government’s primary motivation is the sounding going on by the Conservative party in its constituencies to see if it can get away with postponing council elections.

They are not chiefly concerned with getting the economy back on track, simply concerned with the best electoral strategy to preserve their own futures.

Clearly the truth has not yet dawned that, for most of them, there is no political future…..

And the longer they put off the reckoning, the worse it will be when it arrives…..

‘Callaghan’s decision not to call the election in October 1978 is a moment to conjure with. He gave the decision a lot of thought over the summer and mused publicly if cryptically about whether to do it – ‘there was I, waiting at the church’, as he sang to the TUC Congress in September.

Alec Douglas-Home had done something similar, without the musical element, in 1964, before deciding for delay. Callaghan thought about the precedents of 1970 and 1950’

https://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2018/09/lewis-baston-a-bolder-callaghan-would-have-won-the-1978-election.html

‘Frit’ is a word that somehow springs to mind……….

347693 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #1222 of 1728 🔗

The calling of an unscheduled general election (re, 1978) is nothing like the cancellation of scheduled elections.

The latter is a corruption of the democratic framework.

Sadly, I think sufficient frit arseholes will support such corruption.

347753 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to RickH, 2, #1223 of 1728 🔗

Yes, the USA managed to hold an election, and we are able to if we want to.

348015 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, 2, #1224 of 1728 🔗

The USA didn’t just hold an election, it managed to rig it as well.

347646 JulieR, replying to JulieR, 52, #1225 of 1728 🔗

My younger daughter the same age as Gove’s daughter. I asked my daughter to read her article today. She said “I recognise this girl, she is Gove’s daughter. She has tik-tok and said that she hated her father on tik-tok”. Then my daughter read the article and said “Everybody thinks like her”. They hate distance learning as it is a poor substitution. Teachers hate it too. And there is no motivation to study now. My daughter said “the only pleasure left is food”. I feel so sad for her.

347659 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JulieR, 29, #1226 of 1728 🔗

That’s heartbreaking. The shit they are doing to our children is barbaric. Based on complete pseudo science with no basis in fact.

347668 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to JulieR, 23, #1227 of 1728 🔗

Gove’s daughter mocks him constantly on Tik Tok. Great to see he has about as much respect in his home life as he does with the public.

347678 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JulieR, 13, #1228 of 1728 🔗

His wife is the opposite of him, imagine their pillow talk!

347700 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to DanClarke, 9, #1229 of 1728 🔗

I’m not sure they are together. Her articles in the last few weeks imply that on my reading.

347729 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1230 of 1728 🔗

I really don’t want to think about the oily tick Gove with his horrible, rubbery face. He is one of the ugliest human beings I have ever seen.

347684 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JulieR, 14, #1231 of 1728 🔗

Lockdown and mask fanatics endorse child abuse. Let’s not give them any lee-way.

347712 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to JulieR, 12, #1232 of 1728 🔗

Mr Gove has done more damage to this country – he is the one pushing the lockdowns with Handsy. He is even prepared to sacrifice the lives and futures of his own kids as co-lateral damage. I feel for all our young people, but suspect the Gove kids are bearing a very heavy cross.

347728 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to JulieR, 2, #1233 of 1728 🔗

Gove just reminds me of a character in The Hobbit. That is all.

347839 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1234 of 1728 🔗

Gollum?

347963 ▶▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Annie, 2, #1235 of 1728 🔗

Yes – And this is not the article of a mother of two teenagers who is in love with Gove / Gollum. She loves her children. Not him. I think.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9116303/SARAH-VINE-No-one-gets-second-childhood-pay-price-virus.html

She says “ The decision to sacrifice them may (her kids) ‘follow the science’, but it is beyond me.” Jeez. I would love to punch Gove.

347650 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 14, #1236 of 1728 🔗

Found a nice article which helps make progress in the right direction…there is a Telegraph paywall so the best paragraphs are firstly..

….”More than eight in ten people who test positive for coronavirus show none of the main symptoms at the time they are tested, a major study by UCL previously revealed .”

and then these last two paragraphs

..However, others suggested it is possible the virus is evolving and manifesting itself as the common cold in some people.

Lawrence Young, a professor of molecular oncology at the University of Warwick, said: “It is possible that the UK variant is associated with different/milder symptoms. We need more data. We don’t know whether the UK variant affects the levels of asymptomatic infection or disease severity. It is possible that the virus will change over time to become less pathogenic.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/09/people-common-colds-testing-positive-covid-19-may-simply-asymptomatic/

347664 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to theanalyst, 17, #1237 of 1728 🔗

Coronaviruses have ALWAYS manifested themselves as colds in some people! Coronaviruses are not new!

Anyone who understands viruses should KNOW this – Lawrence Young is a professor of molecular oncology. What is molecular oncology? “Molecular oncology is an interdisciplinary medical specialty at the interface of medicinal chemistry and oncology that refers to the investigation of the chemistry of cancer and tumors at the molecular scale. Also the development and application of molecularly targeted therapies”. Neither microbiology nor virology!

The ‘flu’ season generally has contributions by influenza viruses, rhinoviruses, coronaviruses and adenoviruses (one of the reasons why the AstraZeneca vaccine is using an adenovirus vector, albeit chimpanzee, and the Janssen one will be using a human adenovirus as its vector).

DavidC

347680 ▶▶ RickH, replying to theanalyst, 16, #1238 of 1728 🔗

It is possible that the virus will change over time to become less pathogenic.”

… which is the more usual course, for blazingly obvious evolutionary reasons.

So – we end up locking down and wearing masks for the equivalent of a common-or-garden rhinovirus (and, of course, to save the faces of sociopathic arseholes).

347685 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to RickH, 4, #1239 of 1728 🔗

Rick, I’m guessing that’s just a typo or are you just saying that this coronavirus (SARS-CoV2) is similar to a common or garden rhinovirus?

DavidC

348233 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to DavidC, #1240 of 1728 🔗

I note that I’ve been upvoted a few times. Just to be clear, I tend to agree with Rick’s comment, albeit the viruses are different – I just wanted to check on what he was saying or meant.

DavidC

347775 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to theanalyst, 8, #1241 of 1728 🔗

Ground breaking science going on there. Viruses evolving to become less pathogenic? Well who’d have thought it, never been known to happen before after all.

348012 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1242 of 1728 🔗

We knew this 12 months ago!
I wonder why they’re just catching up.

347656 leggy, replying to leggy, 22, #1243 of 1728 🔗

Well, well, well. This sounds like a mandatory jab to me:

Covid Aministrator

Eden Brown Education

Manchester

You will be expected to carry out all aspects of administration, in particular relating to the covid 19 vaccination that all students will be required to have before returning to college.

https://uk.linkedin.com/jobs/view/covid-aministrator-at-eden-brown-education-2368179966

No doubt the media will be along in a minute to claim this is a fake job advert placed by sceptics.

347666 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to leggy, 12, #1244 of 1728 🔗

Brilliant spot! Thank you.

That is quite a big deal.

One or two newspapers might be interested?

Have you sent the link to Toby/LS contact email?

347672 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Tim Bidie, 30, #1245 of 1728 🔗

Lots of female students forced to accept a vaccine that has unknown affects on fertlity certainly is a big deal.

347681 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to dpj, 12, #1246 of 1728 🔗

especially given the fact that covid represents zero danger to them.

347692 ▶▶▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to John P, 9, #1247 of 1728 🔗

And many students had Covid in the autumn.

347711 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to JulieR, 4, #1248 of 1728 🔗

There is that as well.

347714 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to dpj, 10, #1249 of 1728 🔗

And it really doesn’t look like these vaccines stop transmission so they aren’t actually vaccines.

347809 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Will, #1250 of 1728 🔗

They have said as much yes

347762 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to dpj, 5, #1251 of 1728 🔗

Don’t think it’s supposed to be that great an idea either for men in the reproductive agegroup?

347742 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1252 of 1728 🔗

Did you hear today’s radio 4 news -Hancock saying everyone over 18 will have been vaccinated by autumn – so no more worries about it’s effect on fertility then?

347755 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to jos, 10, #1253 of 1728 🔗

‘Autumn’. Which will become Winter, cos they couldn’t organise etc., etc. And that’s this year gone already. Another year of ‘not dying’.

347771 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to jos, 8, #1254 of 1728 🔗

Well I’m approaching 50 and will not be taking this vaccine under any circumstances and regardless of the costs, so Hancock’s prediction will always be wrong. More confirmation that mandatory vaccination for the entire population is definitely the direction of travel.

347694 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to leggy, 16, #1256 of 1728 🔗

Absolutely no clinical case for anyone under 70 to have a vaccine unless they have a serious underlying health condition. That’s a disgrace and needs to be seen for what it is. I worry constantly, with a 20 and 18 year-old that this is the direction of travel.

347710 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #1257 of 1728 🔗

All sorts of vaccine propaganda on Facebook.

347730 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Will, 8, #1258 of 1728 🔗

All sorts of propaganda on Facebook

347727 ▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 10, #1259 of 1728 🔗

Definitely breaches the EHRC and Nuremberg Protocols.

347743 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 2, #1260 of 1728 🔗

Sorry – meant ECHR

347760 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to leggy, 3, #1261 of 1728 🔗

There does need to be newspaper articles about it. Presumably too this isn’t the only such FE place to be all lined-up to make such an unreasonable demand on students.

347772 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to leggy, 1, #1262 of 1728 🔗

But students won’t be eligible for it for months yet – are they not allowed back before then?

347808 ▶▶ jb12, replying to leggy, #1263 of 1728 🔗

Good. Let none of the students take it and their crappy college can go bust.

347663 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 20, #1264 of 1728 🔗

Seen a surge of articles today directly attacking sceptics. Makes me think they’re about to crack down hard on sites like this and the sceptics accounts on Twitter. Pushing it to the MSM followers so theyll accept bans without question.

347703 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ricky1, 20, #1265 of 1728 🔗

They are shitting themselves because the whole lockdown edifice is about to come crashing down and be exposed as a complete disaster.

347868 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Will, 2, #1266 of 1728 🔗

I get that impression also.

347724 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ricky1, 17, #1267 of 1728 🔗

There’s too many to silence. The more they do this, the more it plays against them

347674 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 15, #1268 of 1728 🔗

My MP, voted every time against the government on Lockdowns, swapped his stance at the last one and has now gone into full lockdown mode,on twitter, full of stay at home etc, how he can change that much and that quickly is a mystery

347679 ▶▶ John P, replying to DanClarke, 9, #1269 of 1728 🔗

fear

347683 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to John P, 5, #1270 of 1728 🔗

Fear of Covid?

347686 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to DanClarke, 14, #1271 of 1728 🔗

No, the photos!

347707 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to DanClarke, 9, #1272 of 1728 🔗

no, fear.

There are few situations – barring imminent tangible danger – eg, a hungry tiger bearing down on you – that require fear.

However, terrorising people – as the government is now doing – is a very effective way of manipulating their behaviour.

It is not fear “of” anything that is the problem, it is fear itself and the use of it to manipulate behaviour.

347725 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1273 of 1728 🔗

Stupidity, Bribery and Graft.

347758 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1274 of 1728 🔗

£££££

347769 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1275 of 1728 🔗

It’s the new variant – it’s done its job.

Also lots of people genuinely believe that this is one last push before vaccine utopia.

347787 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1276 of 1728 🔗

Promise of some nothing government post.

347878 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1277 of 1728 🔗

What have they got on him.

347687 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1278 of 1728 🔗

Just had this pop up on my Twitter feed regarding PCR tests. Haven’t had a chance to go through it in detail but it’s pretty easy to interpret the table at the top.

https://rationalground.com/covid-19-pcr-testing-cycle-threshold-values-are-the-missing-piece-of-the-pandemic-puzzle-until-now/

347720 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1279 of 1728 🔗

I’m not sure that this represents the current use of high Ct values

347735 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, 2, #1280 of 1728 🔗

I read somewhere that they are using 45 in Wales.

347739 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 2, #1281 of 1728 🔗

My understanding is it is not just Wales.

347752 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to RickH, 3, #1282 of 1728 🔗

Wow. Anthony Fauci “Anything over a Ct of 35 is basically picking up dead nucleotides”. And each cycle is a doubling of what is there…

DavidC

347756 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to DavidC, 3, #1283 of 1728 🔗

I think Carl Heneghan recommended 24 cycles.

347900 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, 1, #1284 of 1728 🔗

PHE told the kit manufacturers tomuse 45 until they changed their mind in Oct in a document on gov.uk but never told the kit manufacturers.

347998 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, #1285 of 1728 🔗

PHE stated last year that they are using 45 cycles.

347802 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to RickH, #1286 of 1728 🔗

It’s data specific to Rhode Island I believe but I’ve not read through it yet.

347774 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1287 of 1728 🔗

Thanks for that. It confirms what we suspected; that a large proportion of the “cases” are not cases at all.

347689 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 31, #1288 of 1728 🔗

Are we not near some kind of endgame now? Public compliance is faltering, people just can’t do this anymore. Once they stop responding to adverts showing people dying the game is up. I suspect the NHS will keel over in the next month and they will stop treating Covid patients over 70 years old. As the weather improves compliance will take a nosedive. All this before the vaccine can take effect by April / May. We are heading for endgame and it is going to get very unpleasant in Britain. Plus Brexit shock which has barely started.

347702 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #1289 of 1728 🔗

One things for sure if the NHS does get overwhelmed they’ve got no further excuse for this sh*t show

347719 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #1290 of 1728 🔗

It could get to the point if lots of people having adverse reaction to vaccine and becoming ill it ironically becomes ‘avoid the vaccine, save the NHS’

347799 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to dpj, 5, #1291 of 1728 🔗

I think there will be so many adverse reactions it will be their excuse to continue the lockdown saying it’s all down to Covid!

347708 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to jhfreedom, 7, #1292 of 1728 🔗

Depends on your view of where this is going. In my opinion mandatory vaccination and the technocratic slave state that it delivers is the endgame. All that has to happen is for enough people to be terrified into taking the first (of many) shots. Once uptake has exceeded 50%, the pressure on those remaining will be like nothing we have ever seen. To achieve that absolute majority of vaccinated in the general population, I do not anticipate the fear messaging or tighter restrictions to be dialled back any time soon.

347748 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Richard O, 2, #1293 of 1728 🔗

What is the motivation to have everyone vaccinated, passport?

347761 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1294 of 1728 🔗

Again, it depends on your view of where this is going. At a minimum a digital immunity passport system gives total control over the population to the state, and trillions in profits for Big Pharma, in perpetuity.

From a darker perspective there is the “transhumanism” agenda i.e. physically altering the human being into something else. The stuff of nightmares.

347982 ▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Richard O, 2, #1295 of 1728 🔗

When you have a useless government who waste £12 billion on a test and trace app that failed so spectacularly I highly doubt stuff like digital immunity passports will happen any time soon. All the government’s IT projects have been catastrophic failures which burn colossal amounts of taxpayers money.

347995 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, #1296 of 1728 🔗

Burn is the wrong word. Redirects is probably more appropriate.

347779 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1297 of 1728 🔗

Control.Once it’s tied to the digital currencies they are already planning there is nothing you do,that the state will not know about.Chinese social credit score is the model they are all following.

347993 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to DanClarke, #1298 of 1728 🔗

To get the government out of the massive pile of cowshit they now find themselves in after lying and bungling their way through the covid fiasco. A vaccine is seen as a way of saving their sorry arses. Not thats it’s going to wash. These politicians are now on borrowed time.

347767 ▶▶ iane, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #1299 of 1728 🔗

Actually, freedom from the EUrinal is one of the few positives for the next few months!

348002 ▶▶ franknhonest, replying to jhfreedom, #1300 of 1728 🔗

Brexit is a drop in the bucket compared to the effect of lockdowns

347690 Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 5, #1301 of 1728 🔗

I’ve been trying to find the website about victims of lockdown, which I found the other day probably through this website. I was sure it was simply called “victimsoflockdown” but a google search brings up nothing. Can anyone point me to it?

347697 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 8, #1302 of 1728 🔗

Yeah stopping using google.

347718 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #1303 of 1728 🔗

Agreed. That is scary – just tested it and it is true. Even if all one word. Change your browser to DuckDuckGo. I did months ago. Google are evil.

347706 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1305 of 1728 🔗

Is it just me or does anyone else read this url as ‘flockdown’ ?

347715 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 7, #1306 of 1728 🔗

Lol! Google I couldn’t see it. DuckDuckGo? First result!

DavidC

347726 ▶▶ Sceptic Al, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 3, #1307 of 1728 🔗

Global victims, but the list is long. Posted here recently. Shocking…

347716 mj, replying to mj, 32, #1309 of 1728 🔗

from Telegraph
Dame Lynne Owens, the head of the National Crime Agency, posted on Twitter: “Restrictions are in place to save lives. If only some people would spend less time trying to work out how to get around the law or guidance (criticising hard working police in the process) and just selflessly stay at home. It’s really not that complicated.”
Simon Kempton, head of operational policing for the Police Federation, said after 10 months people understood what was expected of them and ought to behave more responsibly.
He told The Telegraph: “As a society we spend too much time trying to find loopholes. I could drive a cart and horse through the coronavirus regulations. I could find loopholes in every single part of it if I wanted to, but I choose not to because I’d rather people didn’t die.
“We have got too many people patting themselves on the back and saying ‘aren’t you clever? You have found a way round the coronavirus regulations’.
“We know that the NHS is at breaking point and we know that every single ticket we give out hopefully is a bed that is not being filled.”

Major disconnect here. They seriously believe that giving a ticket keeps that person from filling a hospital bed. Also “ I could drive a cart and horse through the coronavirus regulations”. Does that not flag up a major issue.

347740 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to mj, 5, #1310 of 1728 🔗

No opportunity to comment -what a surprise.

347757 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to mj, 3, #1311 of 1728 🔗

Yes, such as Cummings, Hancock and Jenrick!

347782 ▶▶ CGL, replying to mj, 10, #1312 of 1728 🔗

The major point being missed – ‘I choose not to because I’d rather people didn’t die’ – well more are dying and will die FROM THE RESTRICTIONS – you ARE killing people you twat. (not you mj of course!)

347785 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mj, 11, #1313 of 1728 🔗

They seriously believe that giving a ticket keeps that person from filling a hospital bed.”

… and if they believe that, then they should be immediately relieved of any public duties on the grounds of incompetence or insanity – the idea is so stupid.

347984 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mj, #1314 of 1728 🔗

Wow, magic tickets! With the added benefit that the recipient pays for their own. Who needs vaccines?

347722 BJJ, replying to BJJ, 17, #1315 of 1728 🔗

Have a look at this:
Nonpharmaceutical interventions (NPIs), such as social distancing, reduce not only COVID-19 cases but also other circulating infections such as influenza and RSV. The susceptible population for these infections will increase while NPIs are in place. Using models fit to historic cases of RSV and influenza, we project large future outbreaks of both diseases may occur following a period of extended NPIs. These outbreaks, which may reach peak numbers in the winter, could increase the burden to healthcare systems. ( From a peer reviewed study published last October in PNAS).

347733 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to BJJ, 9, #1316 of 1728 🔗

Actions have consequences, who’d have thought.

347734 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BJJ, 11, #1317 of 1728 🔗

It is a massive indictment of the pseudo-discipline that the sociopathic chapter of epidemiology hasn’t picked up on this obvious consequence.

347744 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BJJ, 12, #1318 of 1728 🔗

The two Californian doctors said this early last year. They were branded conspiracy theorists.

347898 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #1319 of 1728 🔗

My daughter’s paediatrician made the observation, unsolicited, to me that denying kids access to the herd is something that hasn’t been done in the entire history of the human race.

347749 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to BJJ, 17, #1320 of 1728 🔗

This is one of my major worries. No one will have any immunity to anything after all this rubbish. A slightly new variant of flu will wipe us all out on weeks – covid will be nothing in comparison.

347786 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #1321 of 1728 🔗

Actually that’s worrying me too. When things were relaxed a bit last summer within 2 days of meeting a friend in a cafe for coffee I came down with a flu. And it was the summer unheard of for that time of year – well for me at least. A week after recovering I then caught a cold off my daughter. I thought this is because we have been stuck in for so long no contact with germs. I was sort of glad to get the 2 viruses I thought great now my immune system is being challenged again which is needed for health. Of course next winter it will all be called covid even though covid finished around last may. Corona viruses only last a few months. We are now simply in the next corona virus season and it’s being called a new strain.

348061 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Suzyv, #1322 of 1728 🔗

Flu and pneumonia wrre killing more than Covid in the summer. People forget.

348072 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Suzyv, #1323 of 1728 🔗

I’ve had three colds since September – unprecedented for me, not sure if that’s good or bad!

347788 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1324 of 1728 🔗

If we successfully reduce flu and SARS to negligible levels, there is absolutely no doubt another novel pathogen will emerge, possibly something as truly dangerous as the Spanish flu.

348147 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to BJJ, 1, #1325 of 1728 🔗

They don’t even reduce Covid cases.
See Ionnaidis&cos most recent paper.

347723 james007, replying to james007, 29, #1326 of 1728 🔗

Some of these stories are heartbreaking. Especially the parents of an SEN child, who got so bad – they had to put him into care for their own health.
Don’t let anyone say that those sceptical of lockdowns have ‘blood on their hands’. This cruel heartless government, clueless cowardly MPs, most of the media, and the authors of ‘The Science’. They did this. Yet they won’t even own the consequences of their decisions.

https://www.victimsoflockdown.com/your-stories-1

Never forget.

347731 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to james007, 24, #1327 of 1728 🔗

It just occured to me that those who are blaming sceptics may well be projecting their own guilt onto others.

347747 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #1328 of 1728 🔗

Projection is a powerful defence mechanism, and those engaging in it are unaware that they are, which gives them all the rhetorical power of sincere, righteous anger.

347781 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1329 of 1728 🔗

Yes, but most projection artists look and behave like twats. Bit of a giveaway.

347736 james007, replying to james007, 10, #1330 of 1728 🔗

What are the chances that preschools and nurseries will be closed this week?
The local preschool now has all the windows open, so the children keep their coats on when they arrive. All the staff are masked (obviously). I can’t summon the energy to fight it – as I suppose I ought to be thankful that at the very least, they are still open. I need to save energy to fight in the event they close completely.

347750 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to james007, 13, #1331 of 1728 🔗

High, unfortunately James. Boris’s mother-in-law has moved in to help Ms Carrie with childcare. They’re alright, so expect everyone else to have third-party support removed.

347759 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 9, #1332 of 1728 🔗

Good to hear that – if his M-in-law is anything like mine (and, given that she produced Carrie, she is almost certainly even worse), Bozo’s home life is about to nose-dive!

347777 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to james007, 5, #1333 of 1728 🔗

Well up here in Scotland it’s likely we’ll be in lockdown for 12 weeks.

347778 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to arfurmo, 12, #1335 of 1728 🔗

Biden’s Inauguration not far off?

Could be one of those moment we discover we are fighting Oceania and not Eastasia,

347796 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, -5, #1336 of 1728 🔗

Probably best to give up on being suckered by Trump’s loser whining.

347854 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 1, #1337 of 1728 🔗

You’ve never once expressed an interest in looking at the election results.
..presumably you just rely on what the BBC, ITV and Sky tell you.

347793 ▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1338 of 1728 🔗

Herd immunity not far off ?”

So that won’t suit. What will be the counter-play?

347812 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to RickH, 4, #1339 of 1728 🔗

It´s the new term “immunity-deniers”. That´s the people we are up against.

347751 Cheezilla, 15, #1340 of 1728 🔗

https://t.me/ProtestEverywhere/1341

Amelia’s court case is on Tuesday. She would like your support at the hearing. The case starts at 12pm. Please be there by 11am. Click the flyer for details.
Please watch the video. It was taken on the 28th November. The coach was on its way from Bournemouth for the London protest. It shows clearly the abuse of police powers towards regular people wishing to express their rights to protest. They were not allowed off the coach for more than 2 hours – even to just go to the toilet. Very old people were amongst them with chronic health conditions.

347765 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1341 of 1728 🔗

Deleted – already posted below

347773 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1342 of 1728 🔗

I’ll see that and raise you ‘1 in 2 UK people will be diagnosed with cancer in their lifetime’.

Source: Cancer Research UK.

347792 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #1343 of 1728 🔗

… and will be unlikely to be diagnosed at the moment – so will die earlier.

347797 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to RickH, 6, #1344 of 1728 🔗

Sadly, shockingly bang on, Rick.

347784 Sam Vimes, 34, #1345 of 1728 🔗

Welcome to Laugh and Learn, with the BBC. That’s right, Statistics Can Be Fun! Here we go…
An Englishman, a Scotsman and an Irishman walk into a hospital. One has Cancer, one has a Brain Tumour and the other has Heart Disease.

They all die.

Q: How many died from Covid?

A: Four – that’s right four! The Englishman was moved to another ward, so he counts as two ‘admissions’.

Easy, isn’t it?

347789 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 15, #1346 of 1728 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9129687/PROFESSOR-ROBERT-DINGWALL-need-discuss-life-jabs-make-Covid-deadly.html

It is a game changer. In a vaccinated population, Covid-19 will mostly mean a few days off work and will very rarely result in serious illness. It will sometimes go completely unnoticed.

The people getting the vax aren’t likely to miss a few days off work because they retired several years ago. The rest of us already experience what he describes!

However, he makes some perceptively ascerbic comments and we need many more articles like this:

Remember this, too – many groups are doing well out of the controls and will want to see them maintained for as long as possible. Some of these groups are obvious, including the suppliers of masks, sanitisers, visors, screens and other equipment used in controls and the people whose jobs are wrapped up in them.
Closing Test and Trace would be a big deal for some businesses, including those that supply the chemicals and services involved.
Covid has its medical winners and losers, too, as different specialisms compete for their share of NHS resources. This has been a good time for those in virology, behavioural science and mathematical modelling, for example.

347821 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1347 of 1728 🔗

Oh, yes, especially the last two!

347920 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Alice, 6, #1348 of 1728 🔗

This is why I don’t understand Toby Young’s denial of their motive. They aren’t destroying the economy, its a controlled demolition, so multi national corporations can rebuild it to their benefit & profit at the expense of the self employed & small business.

347790 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #1349 of 1728 🔗

Common Law. Responding to police.

https://youtu.be/kOcEMFndQ9Y

347909 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1350 of 1728 🔗

LOL who’s going to watch a video giving advice from someone called King Peter the Virile ?

Isn’t it clear by now, the police have no respect for LAW, they follow neo-liberal rules based order regulations made by their establishment paymasters with your money, their purpose & function is control. The uniforms, legislation, human rights & judiciary are all just political theatre. Magna Carta died centuries ago, even then it was never meant to protect the little people.

We are, were & will forever be serfs & slaves of people who call themselves the elite! We’ve been brainwashed into the class construct of land ownership, owning property is just a metaphorical chain to enslave you into their system of hierarchy & control.

I question any concept where you believe you own a river, a mountain, a forest, nature, things that may have existed billions of years, before our own indulgent existence & will likely exist billions of years after we’ve long departed this planet.

347794 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1351 of 1728 🔗

This was taken after the Kamala Harris one before they went in

347831 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1352 of 1728 🔗

eughh! is he sniffing hair again? I thought he only liked little girls?

347844 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to CGL, 3, #1353 of 1728 🔗

Eyesight can be a problem in old age.

347846 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to OKUK, 2, #1354 of 1728 🔗

Oh yes – he was going in from behind (as it were), so he may not have realised!

347833 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1355 of 1728 🔗

Again this whole thing smells!

Here’s a theory backed by very simple verifiable facts!

FIRST SOME QUESTIONS

  1. Who would gain from Trumps miscalculation to encourage protests at the capitol?
  2. How easy would it be to spin it practically/politically to rebound back on Trump?

All it took was an order from one person in charge to tell frontline police to let the protesters in! No conspiracy required, just a whisper in an ear from one person, bribed with future promotion in a new government position.

No one could foretell what would happen afterwards, just put a few nervous police in forward positions to provoke violence. The video of the woman shot is clearly an unjustifiable death by the authorities, yet there are no riots or political outrage, just the usual MSM smears of the victim.

AGENT PROVOCATEUR?

Other than the deaths, I think to much is made of the capitol invasion, why shouldn’t the people be able to protest? Why is it unacceptable for the public to show their frustration & anger when the establishment abuse democracy with blatant corruption. It seemed to be supported by the western world when it was Syria, Iraq, Libya, Venezuela & (Iran they wished).

This was not a free & fair election from even before a single fraudulent vote was cast. I’m really disappointed in the centrists & classic liberals, who think procedural process is more important than democratic corruption.

I dont like trump, i’ve disliked trump before it was fashionable, back in the 90s when he trampled over Scottish residents for a golf coarse. But Trump isn’t the criminal here, its the Clinton mafia, i.e. Neo-liberal globalists.

347841 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1356 of 1728 🔗

CNN footage from outside the chamber. Turn the sound of the hysterical commentator off and just watch the footage. Does that appear to be a rioting mob?

https://youtu.be/y9WPuA6EUaw

347881 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #1357 of 1728 🔗

Q. What serious rioter dresses like a twat holding a comical placard?

A. Agent Provocateur?

347893 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #1358 of 1728 🔗
347896 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #1359 of 1728 🔗

You must have posted the wrong link, there’s nothing to see here, just a crowd of tourists.

348055 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Richy_m_99, #1360 of 1728 🔗

More like a guided tour of a National Trust property.

347879 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1361 of 1728 🔗

Everybody knew there would be a large gathering. It wouldn’t have been hard to plant a few people in the crowd to start trouble.

People being escorted in and out as if they were tourists does not look like an insurgency to me.

Maybe there’s a lot we don’t know but I certainly don’t take anything reported by the media as a given fact.

347835 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1362 of 1728 🔗

I notice that allegations this individual was photographed at BLM and Antifa protests have now been “fact checked” as incorrect. What a surprise. Amazing how photographs can suddenly disappear off the Internet when it’s convenient.

347840 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #1363 of 1728 🔗

Mr Shaman is not your average Trump supporter on that we can agree – he’s a snappy dresser for one thing.

347867 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 3, #1364 of 1728 🔗

I think he is an actor from Nevada and *somehow* he managed to get to DC..hummm

347911 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1365 of 1728 🔗

This is his profile.

https://archive.vn/mIW6p

348029 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mayo, #1366 of 1728 🔗

yep 🙂

347897 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1367 of 1728 🔗

Here’s a link to a video of the police opening the security gates

http://82.221.129.208/dcpolicepermit.mp4

347801 John P, replying to John P, 49, #1368 of 1728 🔗

I’ve recently returned from my Sunday visit to my parents. I live alone and they are currently my only social contacts.

My father is a relatively passive person, unlike my mother who is quite feisty. I generally talk more with my mother.

I noticed that she seemed a little changed when I sat down. She was shifting uneasily in her seat. Eventually we got to the nub of the issue – she’s been watching the propaganda bulletins again.

I have spent months gently trying to prize her away from it. But old habits die hard. It’s very difficult to convince people who have trusted the mainstream news channels – especially the BBC – all their lives that they are not trustworthy and that we are all being lied to.

No, I’m not saying that Covid does not exist, nor am I saying that it cannot be a serious disease for some. But it is not the bubonic plague or ebola. It is unlikely to trouble even a woman in her late seventies.

I don’t watch it, but I know that the propaganda has been stepped up recently. I try to tell my mother, but she will not listen. She’s back to her old terror of getting covid. Now when I used to point out that it is not a lot worse than flu she would respond by telling me that we have a jab for the flu … so this time I was able to tell the (forgive me) old bat that there are now not one but THREE vaccines (so-called) for the dreaded Covid.

Oh, but she hasn’t had hers yet!

(Sigh) My mother is not your stereotypical old granny. She’s always been a very feisty (argumentative and angry) woman and, well I hate to say this, but I think she’s sufficiently receptive to the propaganda to happily give up seeing her daughters and her granddaughter for long periods. I’m not sure she’s one of those with the attitude that she’ll see her family and damn what the government thinks about that.

And she is a practising Roman Catholic. You would think that a Christian would have a better attitude to such matters. But no, not my mother. I even quoted the Pope (John Paul II) to her. “Be not afraid!”, but she seems immune to reassurance.

It’s not really her fault though. These bastards in the government are intent on their terror campaign.

My father did not join in the discussion. I did turn to him and comment that “He” (meaning Johnson) wants hanging for what he is doing to people. I think dad knows better than to reply. I have much of my mother’s feistiness in me!

I was able to remain in control of myself throughout, I am pleased to say, despite sometimes raising my voice for emphasis.

The problem is fear. We are being manipulated in order to get us to comply with these regulations and the primary weapon of choice of the government is fear. It works on many people, my mother one of them.

She may come around. In any event I shall give her the choice of whether or not she wants to see me on Wednesday as per usual and I shall not complain if she is too frightened of getting covid from me to risk it.

347810 ▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 29, #1369 of 1728 🔗

It’s not really her fault though. These bastards in the government are intent on their terror campaign .”

The government, the “opposition”, the medical professions, the media, and all the petty social media collaborators and panic-spreaders.

Never forget. Never forgive.

347816 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to John P, 11, #1370 of 1728 🔗

It’s so hard with parents. I was very close with my parents and I find myself more distant now because they are so taken in by it all. It’s somewhat helpful that I moved almost 2 hours away, so I don’t have occasion to see them as often now anyway. Like your parents, mine have so far been unwilling to forgo visits with their kids and grandkids, but they’re waiting eagerly for the vaccine and I won’t even bother trying to talk to them about the risks. I can’t offer words of wisdom, but as I’m sure you’ve seen on LS, there are many of us in the same boat with friends and family. I would have never thought any issue could distance me from my parents, but here we are.

348075 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #1371 of 1728 🔗

I’m sorry for what everyone is losing to the health panic. It’s separating families and friends like nothing I’ve ever seen.

My mum, (71), is a fire breathing sceptic for sure. I don’t think I know anyone else as opposed. She has survived cancer three times and is apoplectic with rage that her last few years of health are being ruined.

348142 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to TimeIsNow, 3, #1372 of 1728 🔗

Your mom sounds amazing! Good for her. I’m hearing about more and more older people who are fed up and don’t want to live like this. They know they are on borrowed time and don’t want what time they have left to be spent alone and without everything that makes life interesting and worth living.

347837 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to John P, 10, #1373 of 1728 🔗

Imagine the effects this continuous fear propaganda can have on people with severe asthma, heart conditions, blood pressure issues etc. Extreme anxiety can exacerbate these potentially fatal conditions. Add to that potential isolation , depression etc affecting the immune system. No wonder we are seeing excess deaths above and beyond so called Covid cases.

347863 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 3, #1374 of 1728 🔗

Sorry to hear all this

What’s been done to families and to those who are perhaps in slightly more vulnerable categories is shameful

347914 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to John P, 3, #1375 of 1728 🔗

That’s a beautiful posting which resonates with my own experience with my parents – thank you.

347967 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 1, #1376 of 1728 🔗

That must have been quite distressing for you, to say nothing of your frustration. HMG have a lot to answer for!

347811 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #1377 of 1728 🔗

“COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). ”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/

347829 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1378 of 1728 🔗

Clearly a conspiracy theory. Have you reported them to Marianna Spring yet?

347895 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1379 of 1728 🔗

Every coronavirus vaccine every attempted has resulted in ADE, but somehow we’re supposed to believe these attempts will be different. I’ll stick with my immune system.

347820 BJJ, replying to BJJ, 23, #1380 of 1728 🔗

Just been looking at the Euromomo site. Norway, where nothing is happening in terms of excess deaths just passed a law permitting the Government to impose Lockdowns. Israel, where excess deaths are diminishing by huge numbers in the past few weeks, are now imposing lockdowns. Cyprus where nothing at all is happening in the terms of deaths, just imposed a Lockdown. What do these Governments know that we don´t? Are they expecting a new attack from China?

347855 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BJJ, 5, #1381 of 1728 🔗

Good question. The same applies I think to Germany, and Sweden. One possible explanation is that they continue to classify and report on “cases” and “covid deaths” in the same loose way as happens here – after all there’s nothing exceptional happening here either, yet you wouldn’t think it looking at the mainstream media and listening to the government. It’s suspicious.

347888 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 5, #1382 of 1728 🔗

It’s all based on some threat known only to the central priesthood of Covid. They continue to tell us that the rain dance will deliver us from the drought. Just a bit more dancing, a new jig here and more impressive swing there. Don’t anger the Gods.

Its beginning to sound like the WMD myths again. They could strike the UK in 30mins or something was the peak as I remember it.

348052 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1383 of 1728 🔗

Brilliant tiger horn. No tigers to be seen!

348048 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to BJJ, #1384 of 1728 🔗

Not an attack (at least in the traditional sense).
They are all simply lockstepping to a tune being played by the CCP and a number of ‘significant others’

347824 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #1385 of 1728 🔗

So the death toll has halved today?

I’ve given up on MSM TV really but I presume that was not seen as a good sign!

347827 ▶▶ CGL, replying to OKUK, 3, #1386 of 1728 🔗

Apparently it was very high for a Sunday, so not good news as far as they were concerned no.
I wish they’d swivel instead of spinning

347832 ▶▶ NickR, replying to OKUK, 6, #1387 of 1728 🔗

No, the game is to report low numbers on Sun, Mon, which gets a mention on page 68 of the BBC website, then on Tuesday they update & report all the rest on a single day. I predict a 1500 day on Tuesday, but check the average.

347864 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to NickR, 3, #1388 of 1728 🔗

Ah yes, was forgetting the Sunday thing.

348047 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to NickR, #1389 of 1728 🔗

That would be everyone that dies that day then? A covid death is death from any cause.

347828 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #1390 of 1728 🔗

Quote from ”Briefings for Britain”….

”…the bad news is all about Covid, as case numbers continue to shoot up across the country. The situation is bleak….”

Do the people who write these blogs look at any statistics or just get their ”information” from the BBC or other suchlike media?

Note ‘ ‘case numbers”, and ”shoot up” – yet ANOTHER Newspeak ‘S’ word – always rings a suspicious bell….

347830 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Banjones, 6, #1391 of 1728 🔗

Is shooting better than surging?
Do bats eat cats? Do cats eat bats?

347958 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Banjones, 2, #1392 of 1728 🔗

A country of over 66.65 million people where over 66 million are perfectly well. healthy and raring to go, funny old bleak. What is bleak is that the sacred NHS might be shown up for the incompetent shambles that it is and that the Government does not have a clue as to what can be done with it, especially as many of the public hold it in such reverence that to tamper with it is electoral suicide.

347834 Basics, 7, #1393 of 1728 🔗

“When Epstein was in UK he was flown by helicopter to Rothschild estate with Nicole Junkermann. Here she is behind Hancock on NHS advisory board.”

See the tweet for the picture:

https://twitter.com/martinh99448555/status/1292848750302572548?s=20

Of all the places in all the world there that london eye is, it just won’t go away!

347838 Paul, replying to Paul, 3, #1394 of 1728 🔗

I’ve just seen mentioned on another site the plans are to possibly keep hospitality closed until May.

347847 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Paul, 11, #1395 of 1728 🔗

Which year? Seriously, hospitality in some places may reopen a bit this year, but crowded pubs with bar service, dancing in clubs, no track and trace and no masks – never.

347856 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Julian, 9, #1396 of 1728 🔗

Yes they will. We just have to accept that we have been transferred to the 17th century and must start the fight again. Nothing is new under the sun. All has happened before in some way. So let the fight commence.

347890 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BJJ, 1, #1397 of 1728 🔗

I suppose I meant never in my lifetime, at least not in the UK.

347853 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Paul, 13, #1398 of 1728 🔗

There won’t be any hospitality left to open by then, even if the government “allows” it.

347865 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Richard O, 4, #1399 of 1728 🔗

A venue we used to visit every week has been open for less than twenty weeks since the end of 2019.

348044 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Paul, #1400 of 1728 🔗

I’m hearing July…
Davos (which is now Lucerne) WEF conference in May is where much will go down.
WEF make ‘recommendations’ to national governments at that time.

348117 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Paul, #1401 of 1728 🔗

on the Daily Mail-original intention was Mar 23rd now delayed to Spring bank holiday.

347842 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1402 of 1728 🔗

Breaking via social media- airspace between S Carolina and New Jersey closed due to supposed Cv outbreak and decontamination at ATC. SC to NJ covers the Washington DC and Langley, Virginia area.

347901 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1403 of 1728 🔗

Wouldn’t appear to be any airspace closure

347918 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Richy_m_99, #1404 of 1728 🔗

The original tweet was from Sam Sweeney of ABC News and referred to airspace above 18,000 feet. said that the decontamination should be finished by 1.45pm (6.45pm our time).

347969 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1405 of 1728 🔗

So pretty well a non story then, as anything going into EWR, JFK or DCA can go in under FL180 and international traffic from the mid West/ West Coast can go over can go either offshore or out over ORD or Canada.

348040 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1406 of 1728 🔗

Sounds like a cover story for something else going on.

347843 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1407 of 1728 🔗

This joker Dr Mike Ryan at the WHO, talking bolloc%s about people with a scientific or fact finding brain like us, looks very much like a tired alcoholic. I know the look. He should probably take a holiday to recuperate and reflect.

He is executive director of the World Health Organization’s Health Emergencies Programme, leading the team responsible for the international containment and treatment of COVID-19. Yawn. I think he is a dic%.

https://www.facebook.com/WHO/videos/418229785896179

347870 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1408 of 1728 🔗

Its a really simple answer, people have lost trust in blatant establishment corruption.

WHO are all these people paid by? In fact WHO of them are being denied a paycheck by their own conduct?

Who gains most from censorship & narrative control?

347873 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1409 of 1728 🔗

Agree – looks like a drinker. By the way, look at the CV, especially the bit in 1990 – doesn’t stack up for a 25 year-old:

Michael J. Ryan (doctor) – Wikipedia

347907 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #1410 of 1728 🔗

Agree. Qualified same year as me. He went to Iraq straight after registering. He at that stage had absolutely no experience and would not have been capable of training anybody in anything medical. Also he is not a ‘former trauma surgeon’ he maybe did 6 months training after Iraq but does not have FRCS so is not any sort of surgeon. He does have public health postgrad degree.

347884 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to theanalyst, 11, #1411 of 1728 🔗

Don´t talk alcohol down please. I really enjoy it.

347952 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BJJ, 3, #1412 of 1728 🔗

Enjoy away. You’re not spouting bollox on behalf of the WHO.
Am about to pour a glass of red. A toast to you.

347852 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #1413 of 1728 🔗

What does it do to a man to have his father assassinated by espionage?

Does it make him more compliant with shadows? Does it make him easier to shape by simply offering protection his father needed? Does it make him less empathetic, less humane?

It’s a very dark episode, we have all wondered about the strangeness of the man who is controlling our lives, some decisions being advised and taken are life altering and ending. It’s not a good subject to ponder but there is a lot of merit in knowing the background to such people who hold such power over our lives.

347862 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Basics, 3, #1414 of 1728 🔗

Agree Basics. Someone posted several months ago saying it would have left deep psychological damage. Perhaps having had covid himself, that brought things to the fore?

347860 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #1415 of 1728 🔗

Couple of updates:

One of the son’s friends who was ill collapsed this morning and was rushed to hospital. Still claims it’s nothing to do with the faccine she received

3rd friend says she took 1 weekto recover from her vaccination

The video link I posted was from a TV channel called loveworld. Received an OFCOM warning for it for broadcasting fake news about the coronavirus pandemic, thiscwarjing is on OFCOM’ site somewhere.

Rumours are Pompeo in Italy and Italian president been arrested, warnings of internet and cash machines going off for 5-10 days, banks to close, US military has mobillised, security guards at the storming of Congress and who supposedly opened the gates to the mob “commitrd suicide” along with some poll counters.

Interesting times coming, we’ll see this week what really hapens.

347877 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1417 of 1728 🔗

AG – you might like this dude…then again….

https://youtu.be/zkdWsrUvUW0

Gematria effect

347921 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1418 of 1728 🔗

https://siasky.net/AAC1BbOUU2qzuyeXkcwDwKlrbhMyM5fA3PIDYYG3F57qLw

Have been posting this for several days now. It is the conversation that goes into the Italian connection.

347935 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1419 of 1728 🔗

Wow.

DavidC

347939 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1420 of 1728 🔗

Rumours are Pompeo in Italy and Italian president been arrested

Anything to suggest they’re anything more than rumours?

347861 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #1421 of 1728 🔗

Just as a matter of interest, is there anybody out there booking holidays abroad.

I had 2 holidays pulled last year and won’t book one now, but there are many ads on tv for holidays. Will the travel companies survive, will the country you are going to be open or have soul destroying restrictions, could you be stopped from flying because of a positive result a couple of days before going etc etc.

347871 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #1422 of 1728 🔗

sarigan is in the travel business and may be able to advise. I’m not booking anything until things are clearer – had my ski holiday last year cancelled and was stressful getting refunds etc so don’t want a repeat of that. I suspect tests will be required to most places which also puts me off big time for all the reasons we know (cost, reliability etc) and now looks like you need one to come back to this flippin country as well.

347874 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Smelly Melly, 15, #1423 of 1728 🔗

I used to travel abroad regularly, but haven’t been more than a quarter of a mile from my home since March 2020. I don’t expect ever to leave this island again.

Running travel adverts now is both delusional and sick.

348028 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Richard O, #1424 of 1728 🔗

Agreed!
I avoid commercial TV like the plague so am spared their adverts, but YT is full of sickening stuff about caring, sharing green responsibility from the likes of BP!
The Bosch advert about ‘smart’ washing machines is particularly malodorous.

In the US and NZ, they get pharma ads on TV all day long…

347887 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #1425 of 1728 🔗

I was listening to an interview with Dr. Delores Cahill yesterday (on the Richie Allen show) and she is part of this alternative travel option for people like us:

https://www.freedomairway.com/

If I didn’t live in Canada, I would strongly consider supporting this initiative as I do think we will be forced into a 2-tiered system, and those of us who won’t get the vaccine will have to band together to charter planes, fly to countries that don’t engage in medical discrimination, and go to resorts/hotels that welcome the unvaccinated. If the Canada-US border ever opens to car traffic again I would strongly consider driving to Florida next winter for an extended vacation.

347910 ▶▶ peter-, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #1426 of 1728 🔗

From someone working I travel I would say the following.

Anyone booking for trips on 2021 with the open ended restrictions on travel, freedom and normal life is being optimistic in the extreme.

I would imagine travel can resume, albeit with very draconian restrictions on leaving the UK around June time, but you cannot account for restrictions that other countries will put on arrivals from the UK.

People are booking, but levels are 5% of what they were a year ago and last January was a poor booking month as the news got worse with each passing day.

Ultimately if you book with an agent or operator your money will be safe, provided you do some research in to their COVID cancellation policies and how long it will take you to get money back.

If you are able to commit to dates to travel there are some bargains to be had, but you are risking restrictions being in place on your destination.

Ultimately travel companies will survive, albeit in smaller numbers which isn’t necessarily a bad thing as the market is utterly saturated with small companies who don’t make a profit and do it as a lifestyle operation rather than a business.

When you do book please do it though an agent or operator rather than DIY, our value has been show hundreds of times over in rescheduling or refunding trips, getting people home and making sure people can travel with the minimum disruption.

347915 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to peter-, 2, #1427 of 1728 🔗

What´s wrong with a “lifestyle operation”?

347919 ▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to BJJ, 1, #1428 of 1728 🔗

Nothing at all, but there are a number of agents out there who have set up to “do” travel as a second job through companies who are little more than fronts to a pyramid scheme.

Ultimately unless you are a business owner or director travel is very much a lifestyle business (low pay but incredible perks) so perhaps the wrong phrasing to use, but it is an industry a lot of folk get in to for the wrong reasons.

347948 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1429 of 1728 🔗

the short answer is no, no, no, yes, yes

347997 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #1430 of 1728 🔗

Our family has made it a point of principle that we will not be bullied into not travelling. Perhaps its our geographical challenge. My wife and I live in France, our eldest son in London, our daughter in Portugal and our youngest son in Denver. During the last 6 months, we have spent a week on the French riviera, we are currently in Tenerife , flying here on new year’s day. Our eldest came to visit us in France over Christmas. Our daughter drove from Amsterdam to Portugal. Our youngest flew from London to Denver via Amsterdam and Atlanta. All of this involved just two antigen tests, our eldest to get into France and us to get into Canaries.
Don’t let them stop you travelling, just do it, its perfectly possible with a bit of perseverence. Definitely Florida next autumn, flights already booked via Frankfurt into Tampa.

348007 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 293 of lockdown), replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1431 of 1728 🔗

I am not taking any bookings for travel prior 1st June but will look at case by case basis. Without any specific government assistance it 50/50 that my business will make it that far and I anticipate many failures before Easter. I have to hope that this ends and pushing 2 half of 2021 and booking 2022 hols already.

I have emailed the consulates of most major destinations to ask what will allow unrestricted entry and waiting to hear back. I expect it will be vax proof or tests. Iceland have said proof of previous infection which is an interesting one.

347875 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 28, #1432 of 1728 🔗

Quick travel update. Me and my daughter drove for an hour across three counties on Friday to visit friends. Parked outside, had a lovely evening and stayed over. Bike ride on Saturday and drove back. I didn’t see a single police car either way and there were zero issues. Is it possible that a few lockdown fanatics in the force are creating the extreme examples?

347886 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TimeIsNow, 16, #1433 of 1728 🔗

I’m sure the chances of getting “caught” breaking rules are slim – you’d have to be unlucky or have very nosy neighbours or be very unsubtle e.g. a large group

348013 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Julian, 1, #1434 of 1728 🔗

The woman in Bournemouth who was arrested for sitting on a bench down by the prom was told by the arresting Police that she had been ‘seen down the town earlier’. What was the surveillance used? CCTV? Or even Facial Recognition (unlikely)?

348017 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Kevin 2, #1435 of 1728 🔗

I guess it depends where you are – some places are more obvious than others – a beachfront is a natural focal point and like to attract more attention

348025 ▶▶▶▶ Lord Sid, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #1436 of 1728 🔗

According to Bournemouth plod they were protecting the memmbers of the public who stick to the rules.So now we need protecting from two women sat on a bench.WHAT NEXT

347876 DavidDLM, replying to DavidDLM, 22, #1437 of 1728 🔗

Noticed in the newsagents today a headline in the Sunday People, supposedly from a ‘frontline nurse.’ ‘Death is all around us.. so follow the rules.’ Judging from that sort of hysterical headline you’d think we were dealing with pneumonic plague!

347934 ▶▶ Janette, replying to DavidDLM, 6, #1438 of 1728 🔗

Agreed. The propaganda has had to step up to keep the sheeple scared!

348036 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to DavidDLM, #1439 of 1728 🔗

Wasn’t that a Wet Wet Wet song?

or so the story goes…

347882 Julian, replying to Julian, 26, #1440 of 1728 🔗

Trip down to London today, sad to say gratuitous (by which I mean not just between one shop and the next or waiting for the bus but just out for a walk) muzzle wearing has doubled I would say since before Christmas. Included in this was a group (distanced) doing an outdoor sporting activity.

I think it’s becoming polarised – some know it’s bollocks and just want to get back to normal, others are getting more scared

347906 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, 7, #1441 of 1728 🔗

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55569760

OECD: Lockdowns here to stay, even with vaccine plan.

So I guess half the people are going to be disappointed.

347917 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Basics, 21, #1442 of 1728 🔗

I think the whole lockdown nonsense is going to crash and burn soon, its unsustainable.

347970 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 1, #1443 of 1728 🔗

More likely that the whole economy nonsense will first, it was unsustainable decades ago

347933 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Basics, 18, #1444 of 1728 🔗

Why should I bother having the ‘vaccine’ when even taking it means that we remain in lockdowns? What a clusterfuck (excuse my language).

DavidC

347942 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to DavidC, 2, #1445 of 1728 🔗

Why would you ever consider having the crap

347945 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DavidC, 5, #1446 of 1728 🔗

No need to excuse yourself at all. The bbc news is designed to weigh down the spirit. Call it a clusterfuck then move on the higher and better things. Part of there game is to confuse and destabilise.

348157 ▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to DavidC, 3, #1447 of 1728 🔗

That is my biggest point to some of the idiots I have the misfortune to speak to. I could understand people wavering if these poisons would release us from this hell, but seeing as it has been made patently clear that this won’t happen, then why the hell would you voluntarily have it.

347936 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 9, #1448 of 1728 🔗

Sadist Khan was calling for muzzles to be worn outdoors. Do people then assume it’s been mandated because of the way it’s reported?

347940 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1449 of 1728 🔗

He needs to die very soon

347944 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1450 of 1728 🔗

Torygraph reporting ministers considering muzzles in offices and supermarket queues .

347994 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to arfurmo, #1451 of 1728 🔗

Most people already masked in supermarket queues, and I have heard of offices mandating masks – though there will be smaller firms with sceptical leadership who may just ignore it – it can’t be enforced other than through employee snitching

347989 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1452 of 1728 🔗

I’m guessing as I didn’t question any of them but just seemed like people doing it because they are worried or think it’s the right thing to do

The fear porn is working on some

347885 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 19, #1453 of 1728 🔗

We’re getting a lot of reports here of adverse reactions to the Covid vaccine. This is very much along the lines I was expecting ever since I read the manufacturers’ statement that receiving the vaccine “wouldn’t be a walk in the park”.

I’d also read that mRNA vaccines had not been approved previously because of frequent inflammatory responses.

There must be a risk of death from these adverse reactions in very elderly and/or weak people.

If as Dr John Lee seems to suggest the vaccine can produce positive results in Covid tests, then the adverse reactions are going to be listed as Covid not vaccine related.

It’s a real hall of mirrors out there!

347899 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to OKUK, 3, #1454 of 1728 🔗

We’ve had sporadic reports of vaccinated people testing positive. I wonder how many may be due to the vaccine itself.

347927 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1455 of 1728 🔗

If the PCR test is testing for fragments of the SARS-CoV2 virus (and it may not even be that which is being picked up), then, given the mRNA ‘vaccine’ (which doesn’t vaccinate, it merely reduces symptoms although it relies on the human cells to repicate the spike protein to induce an immune response), I’d say it’s a possibility!

DavidC

348132 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to DavidC, 1, #1456 of 1728 🔗

There will no doubt be a box on the PCR application that asks if you have been vaccinated. If yes, they will not go to 40 cycles.

347929 ▶▶ Janette, replying to OKUK, 2, #1457 of 1728 🔗

Yes another reason for keeping the lockdown going!

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