2021-01-11

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348256 Hughie, replying to Hughie, 9, #1 of 2354 🔗

Oh wow, hello!

348700 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Hughie, 2, #2 of 2354 🔗

You win! Speech, speech, speech!

Obviously, make it profound and dolorous.

348257 Hugh_Manity, replying to Hugh_Manity, 7, #3 of 2354 🔗

The description in the attached video states “⁣If you listen carefully the Officer indicates the suspect was filmed being out on three separate occasions in one day.” and I believe that was said. https://brandnewtube.com/watch/mZl8JwHZhuGHsi5
Stage managed?

348408 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Hugh_Manity, 16, #4 of 2354 🔗

I don’t think it really matters whether it was or wasn’t. There’s no legal limit on how many times a day you can leave your house. It doesn’t have to be “essential” either. Just a reasonable excuse.

348694 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 15, #5 of 2354 🔗

It doesn’t have to be a reasonable excuse, the law is an ass and should be ignored.

348858 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Hugh_Manity, 13, #6 of 2354 🔗

So many do not even begin to understand the difference

349274 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Nessimmersion, 8, #7 of 2354 🔗

Lockdown – a term originating from the US (Corporate) Prison System. It is a system in which prisoners are locked in their cells 24 hours a day. The ‘lockdown’ may be invoked if the priisoners get uppity, or more commonly when the corporate wants to cut staff to reduce costs/increase profits.

349411 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ken Garoo, 2, #8 of 2354 🔗

When I was still watching the news in spring, the word made me have short periods of anxiety. One reason why I had to switch off MSM, and I absolutely hate it!
The Americans call it quarantine and it is a friendlier word.

349540 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Silke David, 1, #9 of 2354 🔗

I suspect the choice was deliberate in the UK as it doesn’t have that connotation here. But there is always a token of truth in their barrage of lies.

349301 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Nessimmersion, -15, #10 of 2354 🔗

Isolating only the confirmed infected isn’t enough with Covid, because it’s virulent enough to kill lots of people, but not so virulent that you get obvious symptoms almost immediately after infection (which is what made SARS-1 and Ebola so much easier to control).

There’s a reason why Vietnam’s successful response to Covid involved contact tracing out to five degrees of separation !

349372 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to GCarty80, 13, #11 of 2354 🔗

There’s a reason Japan, Sweden, Belarus, Brazil have been successful in their handling of this respiratory virus.
They did not seek to wreck their countries economy, society and education because of a respiratory virus that has had a death rate comparable to a bad flu year.

The prophylactic measures were known before march and are much improved since i.e. Vit D, HCQ and now Invermectin ,see Taiwan for an example of how to make the virus incredibly unlikely to kill more than a handful of people out of millions infected.

349688 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #12 of 2354 🔗

Where did you get the idea that Brazil didn’t institute lockdown? We’ve been in one form or another of lockdown since March 2020. The schools have been closed, businesses ruined, travel restricted, and non-essential stores closed or severely limited. We had three day lockdowns over Christmas and New Year to to complete the misery.

The President was against these measures but our supreme court took the power out of his hands and and passed the decisions onto state governors. This bunch then decided to play political football and only turned to the central government for their money.

349798 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Sampa, 1, #13 of 2354 🔗

In comparison to Peru you had some minor restrictions I believe.
If you look at this website, you will see a Postcard from Brazil detailing some restrictions that everyone ignored:
https://lockdownsceptics.org/a-postcard-from-brazil/
Also:
https://lockdownsceptics.org/brazil-automatic-recuperation/

So the answer to your question of where I got the idea that Brazil didn’t lockdown is this very website.

349634 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to GCarty80, 1, #14 of 2354 🔗

bollocks

349394 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Hugh_Manity, 3, #15 of 2354 🔗

If it was stage managed, that’s multiple people ” impersonating a police officer”, which is a criminal.offence.
That they are not looking for any impersonators rather gives the game away doesn’t it?

348259 Stephen Priest, 1, #16 of 2354 🔗

What Leftists Think About Freedom of Speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SicsQervb4

AwakenWithJP

348260 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 83, #17 of 2354 🔗

I’ve been thinking about how we might start disrupting the narrative in ways that are difficult to stop. I think, first of all, that we should concentrate on LOCKDOWN. That is where this is affecting people most directly. That is where freedom is being destroyed at its roots. That is where people are feeling increasingly uneasy and worn down. Attacking lockdown is also ethically sound, because lockdown doesn’t only not work, it’s proven to be counterproductive. Lockdown is the weak spot.

One way would be to use their slogans against them. Flood the internet with images that show their slogans in a different light. Perhaps using the actual slogans, without textual comment, would subvert algorithms. Here’s one suggestion. Others would be much better at this kind of thing.
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348262 ▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #18 of 2354 🔗
348268 ▶▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to Stephen Priest, 10, #19 of 2354 🔗

A very accurate article I thought. Very dark times ahead not just in the UK, but in every Western country.

348749 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh_Manity, 23, #20 of 2354 🔗

Indeed, dark times are here now, but much worse is just around the corner. I never thought I would say this, but being old is now a bonus. Oh not to be young in these worse than Orwellian times. That being said, the old, who’ve lived mainly through much better times, must do all that they can to resist the darkness being inflicted upon us all by the sold out Johnson and his demented henchmen.

348291 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #21 of 2354 🔗

Sorry, couldn’t copy image

348308 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to wendyk, #23 of 2354 🔗

Ignore;another failure

348338 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #24 of 2354 🔗

Yes indeed.

348351 ▶▶ ituex, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #25 of 2354 🔗

Yes, I think you are on to something there. I don’t believe that deep down a majority of people support their own lockdown.

348507 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to ituex, 14, #26 of 2354 🔗

Not where we live (Sussex). Any one you talk to is a ‘sceptic’. Few know of any ‘dead’ from CV. Many have stories where CV is attached to a death for no reason at all (eg. car accident).

Polls are likely bollocks showing Londonistan support for LD. Outside of the ‘Stan, few support it.

348564 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FerdIII, 7, #27 of 2354 🔗

More like in wealthy pockets of Londonistan like Hampstead, Highgate, Kensington Dulwich, Chiswick, etc.

348365 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #28 of 2354 🔗

Excellent images. We can also use those of elderly people alone for the “stay at home” bit or those images used by children’s charities to illustrate child abuse.

348505 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #29 of 2354 🔗

I think that’s a good idea. I’ve been careful of what I share on Facebook, as most people are so closed minded and see lockdown as the way to save themselves. Unfortunately most people on social media sites do not read past the headline. Images like this with short captions showing the damage lockdowns really do may penetrate their minds better.

I’m not a physical fighter, I have a lot to say but it never comes across well. Having images like this, in particular the first one and as Bart Simpson suggested the elderly sitting alone are good examples. I would definitely share these.

350201 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #30 of 2354 🔗

Absolutely LOVE that.

350311 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #31 of 2354 🔗

I was thinking about this recently, why it upsets me so much, and, more importantly, why more and more people are beginning to get upset about lockdowns, in general and philosophically, not just because of their specific absurdities.
My conclusion is that this feels like an unjustified prison sentence, which could (and likely will) also always be reimposed arbitrarily upon me even after this one is over, and that for the rest of my life- with temporary coercive get out of jail cards of vaccine(s) chipped in from time to time.
I think, I could bear a justified prison sentence much easier than what has been forced upon me since March and fir God knows how often and long in the future.

348263 Annie, replying to Annie, 29, #32 of 2354 🔗

“Civil liberties matter. It is in the nature of our humanity that people need at least some solace and support, and either the rules themselves or the way they are enforced must leave room for that. We also have to be vigilant about simple prejudice, and the warped ways that so many laws and regulations are enforced.”

Now where would you expect to read something like that?
Maybe not in the hyperlockdownista, covviphiliac Grauniad . But that’s where is, in the article listed above.
I suppose the law of averages requires that a glimmer of sanity should occasionally manifest itself in the most unlikely places.

348456 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 11, #33 of 2354 🔗

Whats the expression? A broken clock is still right twice a day. I see sceptical articles in the daily mail, but then you get a “Boris: you must stay at home” banner headline. With cobblers about 1300 dead. If you take 10 seconds to look at the number you can see that this was a manufactured number. But because they gave stopped producing the total death figures there is no context. Why are journalists not doing their job every day when my radio wakes me up the news has another twat government minister spouting rubbish about non compliance, but these views are totally unchallenged.

348264 SallyM, replying to SallyM, 27, #34 of 2354 🔗

I find it hard to muster any enthusiasm over someone like Dr Ari Joffe, who talks about initial data falsely suggesting an IFR of 2-3%. I’m a lay person and even I knew that whatever initial data show, the actual fatality rate is likely to be an order of magnitude lower. Others pointed this out early in the pandemic, such as this article. This guy Joffe is an infectious diseases specialist: he should know this stuff! Did 99.9% of “experts” forget everything that’s happened in recent pandemics and everything they ever learned about infectious disease and immunity?!

348265 ▶▶ Markus Skepticus, replying to SallyM, 28, #35 of 2354 🔗

Didn’t Ionniddis estimate the IFR back in March to be around 0.2% based, among other data sources, on the Diamond Princess?

348267 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Markus Skepticus, 93, #36 of 2354 🔗

The Diamond Princess is to be ignored at all costs. It’s a completely unrepresentative situation. Almost everyone aboard was vulnerable by reason of age and comorbidities, and almost all of them remained asymptomatic or had slight symptoms and recovered. It’s a laughable anomaly, compared to real, cold, hard facts like the Imperial College model.

348286 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #37 of 2354 🔗

😂

349282 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #38 of 2354 🔗

You are Neil Ferguson and I claim my five pounds.

348296 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to SallyM, 18, #39 of 2354 🔗

Prof John Ioannidis, the World’s leading Epidemiologist from a peer reviewed study on WHO’s website says 0.23% (I think). He says it’s no different to a bad flu (at it’s worst). Here is the article for you to check. https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

348306 ▶▶▶ SallyM, replying to Suzyv, 12, #40 of 2354 🔗

And he’s since lowered his estimate a bit more to 0.15-0.2%:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eci.13423

348320 ▶▶ TJN, replying to SallyM, 11, #41 of 2354 🔗

A very good point. It was obvious very early to anyone with the most basic mathematical literacy who cared to look that the combination of IF and IFR was not going to be catastrophic. And every passing day and week confirmed this.

349217 ▶▶ Staincliffe, replying to SallyM, 2, #42 of 2354 🔗

I think he was probably not paying sufficient attention at the start when the commentary ( deliberately ) conflated cases and infections. Obviously the larger Case Fatality Rate figure is more scary and was given prominence. You will have no doubt noted that this mendacity continues a year later with the practice of referring to positive tests as ‘cases’.

348266 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 68, #43 of 2354 🔗

I agree wholeheartedly about Brexit and the rise of patriotism across the West and the elites need to put us back in our ‘box’, because that is precisely what I felt back in the Spring. The whole reaction to this Plandemic was so utterly over the top, so authoritarian, so vile for something akin to the flu there must have been more to it. The problem with the ‘elites’ they continue to want to live their lives whilst expecting us to isolate ourselves in our homes. I think civil war isn’t far off.

348273 ▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to Bella Donna, 39, #44 of 2354 🔗

Had you suggested that civil war was possible six months ago, I would have dismissed that notion as fanciful. Not any more. The way matters continue to spiral out of control in a lot of Western countries, leads me to the conclusion you are probably right. The powder keg is the U.S. that when ignited, will quickly spread.

348721 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Hugh_Manity, 2, #45 of 2354 🔗

Yes. But with China less as Barabbas in ‘The Jew of Malta,’ and more as Fortinbras in ‘Hamlet.’

348366 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #46 of 2354 🔗

Well said. As I’ve long said, the situation will get uglier and civil unrest is bubbling under the surface.

348406 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #47 of 2354 🔗

‘Prague Spring’, ‘Arab Spring’ – are you predicting there could there be a ‘British Spring’?
I can’t see any signs or even murmurings of civil unrest myself but then I don’t get out much!

348427 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bluemoon, 10, #48 of 2354 🔗

I have no idea to be honest but with redundancies and bankruptcies predicted to go up the roof, I can imagine that many people will realise they have nothing to lose and do the unthinkable.

348555 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #49 of 2354 🔗

‘Nothing to lose’ is a trigger in most revolutions any where, at any time IMO.
But there’s a surprisingly large underclass in Britain propped up by the welfare state which already has ‘nothing to lose’.
Perhaps there will be enough of us to wo-man the barricades however.

348568 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bluemoon, 4, #50 of 2354 🔗

Furlough is ending in March. Surely they can’t extend it even more.

Even with furlough, there are still people being made redundant and there are others who can’t claim them. My workplace is one of them and that’s why we’ve ended up in the situation we are in.

348635 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #51 of 2354 🔗

Money printing press goes brrrrrr 24/7 since 2008

349286 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #52 of 2354 🔗

They don’t even need a press these days – other than to press a few keys on a keyboard.

349730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Ken Garoo, #53 of 2354 🔗

Fiat pecunia. Et pecunia erat.

349617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #54 of 2354 🔗

‘Furlough is ending in March. Surely they can’t extend it even more.’

Oh yes they can, Bart. If they want to. More and more debt. Then they’ll reset the fiat currency….and it’ll be very bad news for anyone with assets (savings, pensions etc). We are seeing…and will see much more…redistribution of wealth …from the plebs/mid classes to the ultra rich.

349285 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to bluemoon, #55 of 2354 🔗

British Spring? Buds are coming out already and it is still January.

348488 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #56 of 2354 🔗

The problem is, when you take away peoples right to say what they think, it drives these opinions underground. When our views are not represented in the msm we gather in enclaves like this site where we can air our views. On YouTube you see lots of people challenging the narrative but they then get banned. Then you see bullshit polls saying 75% support lockdown. Out of all the people I know and all the people I have chatted to over the park or when playing golf, I only know one person who thinks the government is correct. If we were allowed to protest this would be obvious and is the reason they were stopped. People obey the law.

348269 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 123, #57 of 2354 🔗

Allowing people to leave home once a week and ending support bubbles? How would vast numbers manage to work and would the nation really go along with this? Lots of people might conclude that it might be worth actually getting shot by the police than living under such a regime. What’s the point of living like that?

Opinion polls are frequently being cited by LS as if they are reliable. I maintain the level of support for lockdowns is not as high as this. Opinion polls have been weaponised. I wish the editors here would be a little more sceptical, as in the name of the site. The crowds that are out and about in the January cold suggest to me that the compliance/obedience rate is in actuality much lower than claimed by the dodgy weaponised polls.

It looks like the whole nation is going to be transformed into some sort of gigantic Melbourne. To what end? This is no policy blunder. It is meant to force a demoralised nation into taking a dodgy vaccine.

348272 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Londo Mollari, 32, #58 of 2354 🔗

I want the most draconian restrictions possible.Something must wake up the sleeping masses

348278 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jonathan Palmer, 68, #59 of 2354 🔗

NOTHING can wake the living dead. There is NOTHING they won’t go along with.
The logical next step is to adopt the Ferguson approach to foot and mouth. Wherever there’s an outbreak, kill everybody within a, say, two-mile radius.Control the virus, save lives.

348311 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Annie, 21, #60 of 2354 🔗

I think you are probably right,but at the moment the Government hasn’t the power to keep everyone down.if we called their bluff they would have to back down.

348337 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to jonathan Palmer, 33, #61 of 2354 🔗

Lots of people are too weak to do “calling the Governments bluff” I’m afraid. I’ve been gobsmacked just how many people are weak and cowardly. There are many that will go even further than the restrictions – thinking of a friend living very nearby who is now refusing to see me (at least she’s also refusing to see anyone else either…) – even though we could both do so in legit way as each others “support bubble” because we both live on our own. This was preceded by her telling me to get off the phone to her a couple of days previous to that and I assumed it was for an important reason – but….no…it was just so she could watch the news and check what the latest set of rules is!!! There are lots like it – Wimps ‘R Us.

349042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Betty Brown, replying to ElizaP, 9, #62 of 2354 🔗

It’s this type of “weak” individual who becomes a threat. They are the willing drones. They will do the government’s bidding and rat on their neighbours in the foolish belief that they’re saving their own skins.

349089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to ElizaP, 5, #63 of 2354 🔗

It must be very hard to be friends with someone like that.

348340 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to jonathan Palmer, 17, #64 of 2354 🔗

How could they possibly police even half the population going out and about?

349595 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #65 of 2354 🔗

They are relying on the weak-kneed to police themselves.

348518 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Annie, 12, #66 of 2354 🔗

Yep agreed, there is no limit to which the masses will NOT comply. If the Government tomorrow told them that if they see people on the street they need to kill them with anything they have to ha,nd they would do it, no questions asked. Protect life’s, Save the NHS, Long live Big Brother!

349407 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Annie, 2, #67 of 2354 🔗

The FnM policy caused the spread, it was exactly the wrong strategy to start at a centre and work outwards. I realise I’m being pedantic but good to remember the active damage done to our country by obe fergusson.

349624 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Annie, 2, #68 of 2354 🔗

Completely agree…and blimey Annie…how did you get access to their planning?! 😀

348360 ▶▶▶ R G, replying to jonathan Palmer, 22, #69 of 2354 🔗

There’s a sizeable minority that would welcome the army lining rule breakers up against a wall and shooting them. Be careful what you wish for.

348763 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #70 of 2354 🔗

I want the most draconian restrictions possible.Something must wake up the sleeping masses

And if that doesn’t work?

348274 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Londo Mollari, 52, #71 of 2354 🔗

Completely agree as sated in my comment. Don’t know if it is just me, or Toby et al appear to have been a bit luke warm in their scepticism lately.

348277 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Hattie, 20, #72 of 2354 🔗

Jonathan Barr is the one today.He is too willing to accept the mainstream narrative

348279 ▶▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to Hattie, 33, #73 of 2354 🔗

No, it’s just not only you. He whole heartedly embraces the “vaccine” without reservation. That in itself is worrying.

348281 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Hugh_Manity, 52, #74 of 2354 🔗

The evidence is mounting that these vaccines are not really safe. Why would a government pressurise a nation into taking a dangerous product for a virus that ahs such a high survival rate? if you are not at this stage entertaining the worst of thoughts at the back of your mind, then maybe you aren’t paying attention.

348302 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #75 of 2354 🔗

Pic&mix vaccines, how we chortled at the very idea.

349313 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to karenovirus, 5, #76 of 2354 🔗

That is another big unknown about the emergency drugs. There is no information on potential interactions with other drugs. I guess that may be what all this push to mass use of the vaccine is all about – acquiring such knowledge. Phase III testing with no cost and no liability. Kerching.

350176 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #77 of 2354 🔗

I prefer Planter’s mixed nut platter. With Bass Ale.

348617 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #78 of 2354 🔗

Safe or not, even with 100% “safety”, he main question for me is the necessity – if over 99% of trial participants who were in the placebo arm of the trial still didn’t get covid, how do they explain that? If it’s so exponentially rampant…

349244 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to TJS123, 2, #79 of 2354 🔗

Yes, and we can assume no serious cases, hospitalisations or deaths in that group either, or we would certainly have been told.

348862 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #80 of 2354 🔗

Depopulation.

349307 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #81 of 2354 🔗

Vaccines are just drugs, and like any other drug they have potential benefits and potential side effects. If the side effects outweigh the benefits the drug should not be taken.

For the great majority of people, Covid-19 is harmless, so the drugs offer no benefit (especially as all they do is slightly reduce symptoms in mild cases). For them, the drug only offers the side effects (may include death). The big unknown for the mRNA types is the long term effects on the immune system. It could potentially induce auto-immune responses or degrade the fficacy of the immune system overall.

348283 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Hugh_Manity, 87, #82 of 2354 🔗

There are currently a lot of dangers and risks to putting your head above the ‘covid’ parapet, I understand Toby has had death threats which the police have told him to treat seriously. He has a wife and family and if the people running this site are therefore being a little cautious it would hardly be surprising. I am quite happy if the news above is fairly factual, we can do the opinion and the controversial in this comments section.What i worry about is losing this site altogether, there is nothing else.

348329 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Steve Martindale, 57, #83 of 2354 🔗

If Toby is getting death threats, it’s the government’s fault. It is the government that has terrified the public into a state of insanity.

350058 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bugle, 2, #84 of 2354 🔗

By pushing the hardly teated vaccines so hard, the government is making threats against the public which will likely end in death for very many.

348361 ▶▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #85 of 2354 🔗

I agree. I also think he and this site have remained on the right side of reason and evidence throughout. That’s important, there are some that have stepped too far over the conspiracy theory line and are beginning to sound a bit unhinged. While I enjoy listening to James Delingpole and Laura Perrins sometimes they have gone too far. Stick with facts. For the human side Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan are good.

348675 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to ituex, 2, #86 of 2354 🔗

Facts?
Or official facts?
Or official opposition facts?

What I perhaps can join with you in is that ‘careless talk costs lives’ and that what can be stood in and defended as having substance is different from possibilities or theories yet to be substantiated but which have emotional (or corporate) investment.

JD and LP started off as an entertaining conversation that was willing to consider a wider range of possibilities – but in an undisciplined way.
As such they become a low grade signal with occasional moments – and many liabilities. But humanly so and thus a sort of X-covid files – along with the fission of their relationship – which is of course warming on some level and so becomes covid soap drama. (I do appreciate them both for where their willingness and dedication shine through).

Part of JD and LP is that they are not centred or focused and thus pushing out too fast and too loud as a result.

Once something is given the status of fact it operates as ‘reality’ until its status is called into question and can no longer be maintained.
How many ‘facts’ abide unchanged through the generations – and why would you and your particular view have that unique property of being at the pinnacle of evolution?

I am not looking to undermine your contribution.
The belief in contagion far exceeds the evidence.
That beliefs are contagious needs no great experiment to recognise – in ourselves as in others.
Perhaps owning beliefs and defending them might have more to offer us all than the official facts of settle scientific consensus (sic).

We may believe death by all causes to be very close to the fact and by that fact see there is no real ‘pandemic’ – but then is it not a fact the WHO redefined THEIR meaning of such a term to lower the bar to let every cold and flu qualify for the activation of drilled interdisciplinary procedures that in this case were suddenly replaced by a Chinese ‘hammer and dance’ of locking down whole populations?

Information war is the weaponisation of language and the loss of our mind. But then any kind of war is always the loss of our mind for the ‘facts’ by which to wage it as if truth is to be what the victors shape as the post war or post covid world.

349098 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to ituex, 4, #87 of 2354 🔗

Exactly where have they gone too far?

350078 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Boris Bullshit, #88 of 2354 🔗

The comment from “ituex” looks very like one of those clever little posts from the army of paid trolls that the government has lined up against us, for the purposes of throttling the truth.

350064 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to ituex, #89 of 2354 🔗

Some people will still be calling for a softly softly approach, when they knock their front door down one rainy dawn.

350211 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to ituex, 4, #90 of 2354 🔗

When I first joined this site near the beginning of this madness, I warned the ‘new normal’ is a communist nightmare [and worse]. I warned the government will eventually use a tracking system; they will continuously isolate us to make us weaker in every way; the borders will be shut down; and here’s the big one… they’ll try to cancel Christmas + New Year.

I was mocked from popular posters on this site for being a misery gut.

Everything I said would happen has since happened. Some of the ‘more extreme’ predictions are yet to happen.

I knew all this was going to happen not because I’m a smart arse, but because I stopped following the mainstream narrative 15 years ago.

‘Stick with the facts’ – if I told you the entire civilised populations of the world would be forced under police rule to wear a nappy on their face and stand 2m apart, Christmas would be cancelled and we were all expected to be vaccinated against a harmless virus – you’d have called me an ‘unhinged’ conspiracy theorist.

Point being – when are you going to wake up?

350048 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #91 of 2354 🔗

offGuardian is not too bad.

348285 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Hugh_Manity, 30, #92 of 2354 🔗

It depends on your take on the situation.it you believe that this is driven by government incompetence then you would see the vaccine as a way out of this crisis.
If you see something much darker behind the governments actions then a rushed experimental ‘vaccine’ is something to be feared and avoided at all costs.

348328 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #93 of 2354 🔗

IMO it was cowardice rather than incompetence, but I don’t agree that in thinking this it follows I see vaccines as a way out of this.

348497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Julian, 24, #94 of 2354 🔗

In the last few days there have been statements from government advisors suggesting “measures” (they’ve been vague about which ones) “may” be needed in subsequent winters. Hancock has also been quoted today in the Telegraph in suggesting that it may be necessary for everyone to get an annual vaccine. Some have taken those comments to mean that the Rubicon has been crossed and we are now going to be stuck in this hell, at least sporadically, forever.

There are, however, reasons to doubt this – whether or not Hancock wishes it so. Firstly, I think public compliance only holds as long as people think there’s an end in sight. I know some here think the propaganda war has created a nation of sheep, but history suggests that even countries suppressed under decades of government lies will still have the will to set themselves free (see the collapse of the Iron Curtain) and even here people tend to react against governments imposing unnecessary restrictions (see the 1948 election).

The other reason for doubt is that I don’t think the international situation will allow it. Many countries, having taken a significant hit from the restrictions of 2020, can’t afford to pursue the policy ad infinitum. Some of them simply can’t admit having made a catastrophic mistake and they will see the vaccine as a means to draw a line under the episode. Others are already challenging the narrative and blaming the failings on the PCR test. Most other countries also handle their healthcare better than us – NHS winter crisis may be almost a tautology, but it’s not something that happens everywhere else.

When Sweden seemed to be unique in its handling of Covid (it wasn’t, but it’s easier for the media to pretend that countries like Belarus don’t exist) it was easy for people like Piers Morgan to bully the Government into pursuing hugely restrictive policies on the basis they were being enacted elsewhere. If next winter, significant numbers of other countries – or even significant other countries – do not go down that road, it will be much harder to repeat it here. Hancock may want us to keep lining his pockets with vaccine money (and I’m increasingly of the view that that is his motive at least) but once the vulnerable are seen to have been protected, I think what public support there is will wither. Dodgy polls might maintain the illusion for a bit, but when all newspaper comment trails are like the Telegraph’s (where the only pro-lockdown voices now seem to be paid shills for organisations like Imperial College) it will be clear that the game is up and that attempting to continue is likely to lead to demands for inquiries – demands that are unlikely to be sated by whitewashes of the type which followed the Iraq war.

348738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Andrew Fish, 9, #95 of 2354 🔗

IMO the government is working towards making this a permanent state of affairs. I agree it is in question whether they will win. Anyway, well said.

348880 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Andrew Fish, 13, #96 of 2354 🔗

Why are there still people who think the government is doing what it is doing because it being bullied and is incompetent? I prefer the theory that Johson is a eugenicist who has sold out to Bill Gates. Gates is also a eugenicist, a self confessed depopulationist and is the world’s vaccine supremo, a very unhealthy combination.

349548 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Andrew Fish, 3, #97 of 2354 🔗

The concept of compulsory administration of experimental medical treatment rings a bell. I’m sure it was sort of heavily frowned on at one stage. Ah … it was Dr Mengele and the Psycho Stooges.

350090 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Andrew Fish, 2, #98 of 2354 🔗

If the vaccines are designed to kill and that would be no surprise, with Bill Gates behind them, then your very reasonable arguments would be made redundant. I rather think we are well past the time, when the government will worry about public opinion or any inquiries into its manic behaviour.

We are now in a very serious situation, where the government has effectively declared war on its own people and it seems intent on pursuing the war to the bitter end.

350310 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Andrew Fish, #99 of 2354 🔗

Didn’t read it all, but – “It may be necessary for everyone to get an annual vaccine”?! And how much is his party getting from bif pharma?

The thought occurs that we might do worse than campaign for an end to (translucent) conflicts of interest in politics. And science.

350142 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jonathan Palmer, #100 of 2354 🔗

It’s good to see some different thinking about this murky business.

Government incompetence has been a non-runner since the late Spring and why people still stick with this seems far from being too rational. Perhaps, the alternatives are just too scary, for most. This realistically only leaves us with the “darker” scenario, which you hint at and which for me has to focus around the Covid vaccines.

I doubt that the vaccines have been over rushed though and it seems likely that they will do, exactly what they are supposed to do. However it is ‘highly likely’ that the vaccines will have very little to do with preventing, or even ameliorating Covid-19.

349835 ▶▶▶▶ sam club, replying to Hugh_Manity, #101 of 2354 🔗

oh no i i didnt know that about toby and’vaccine’. there is no way in hell i will get that ‘vaccine’.i ts the masks adn the ‘vaccine i hate the most , and the lockdown and the wimps majority ,, so many things to choose from

350046 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh_Manity, 1, #102 of 2354 🔗

He whole heartedly embraces the “vaccine” without reservation.

Then he is almost certainly lying.

348284 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Hattie, 31, #103 of 2354 🔗

Completely agree. I tend to increasingly find the comments section contains links to far more incisive articles than those actually offered on the site itself. These have started to shift from the response to Covid being massively disproportionate, to (in the last few days) simply “what a mess the governments have made and essentially, how the NHS is struggling”.

348293 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to danny, 36, #104 of 2354 🔗

There was a discussion on here about how this site could be compromised through the comments.I don’t think that could work as many posters are very well informed and erroneous arguments are normally taken apart.
It would be easier to corrupt the leader writers and change the tone,slightly at first.At the moment we are being led to mainstream media articles and it is fact that the MSM have been bought off to push the government line.
I may sound paranoid but after 10 months of lies I don’t trust anyone.

348298 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #105 of 2354 🔗

Didn’t Herod tell Claudius to “trust no one”? And didn’t this get taken up by the X-Files?

348732 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #106 of 2354 🔗

The personality level is the mask. Don’t be phished by the mask and don’t play a masking intent. The masquerade is an insanity entanglement that most of us have adapted to as our means to survive the ‘human world’. The idea of ‘Know Thyself’ is not navel gazing but of reconnecting to our very being instead of running in a mind-modelling of personal and social masking.
I write to a sense of someone worth sharing with. In that I extend trust – but not as a contract seeking agreement or setting terms and conditions.
Reconsidering what anything Is – including trust, has to reach outside of a circular reasoning or presumed ‘reality’ to something real and that is why relationships are the crucible of awakening and NOT what we try to make of them or use them for.

348301 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to jonathan Palmer, 31, #107 of 2354 🔗

I must say that I tend to head straight for the comments section nowadays whereas at the start of this, the articles were a ‘must read’ every day just to maintain sanity.

I guess Toby has to cater for individuals that are just starting to dip their toe in lockdown scepticism whereas our views are much more concrete now.

348304 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #108 of 2354 🔗

I generally skim the main articles but you learn a lot more through the links posted in the comments

348762 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #109 of 2354 🔗

Well at least look at the China linkage offered today.

But yes a lot of LDS can be skimmed as representing old and well rutted territory that has no call to plod through over and over again.

The case against lockdown is if anything diluted by persisting in frames of futility. A resource for those who are allowing themselves to question is a relatively done deal, there is no call to be sceptical of THAT deceit is at work. But as to why, how and for what there is a need to stay disciplined.
Perhaps we do not want to go there?
Is sanity a new herd to feel some sense of shared warmth?
Truth has peace and freedom associated with its full acceptance, and fear of truth holds every kind of denial and obfuscation.
Al lot of this is a fear and hate of the evil in the human heart and the attempt to evade and hide it rather than truly look within – when fear says ‘THREAT ATTACK HIDE’
Our minds are not what we think – but of course what we think makes all the difference.

348904 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #110 of 2354 🔗

Off-Guardian tends to be more hardcore (realistic) but it needs more articles on the Covid mayhem in the UK, instead of worrying too much about the US elections.

349124 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #111 of 2354 🔗

Thats funny I have found that too…straight to the comments and always mean to go back to the articles but somehow never do. I have not read the main articles now since before Christmas I think. I cant see that changing now. It takes huge guts to keep permanently apart from the herd and a lot of people worry about what other people will think about them after a while. I think thats what we are seeing here. People are afraid of being ‘unpersoned’. Personally I prefer the Oscar Wilde saying ‘when everyone agrees with me I must be wrong’.

348705 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #112 of 2354 🔗

Perhaps you don’t need to trust anything but your own discernment of truth – and release the idea that anyone should or can meet your conditions?

The self-censoring mind can work in many ways that we may not be aware of – and so even without the gov disinfo shills etc we can manifest all kinds of diversions and ‘safe hangouts’. It’s a work in progress in every one – but in some sense we are talking of those willing to start to question and thus look at and consider what is happening for themselves – and thus as the basis from which they relate to others and their world.

There are a lot of revelations for anyone questioning what had been their ‘reality’ some of which are greatly disturbing but if we abide through there is another level of resource that I could call spiritual or reintegrative.
Paranoia is dissociative and ungrounded. Fears have specific attributes that can be brought into relationship and curiosity – after the ferocious phase has dissipated perhaps.

We are learning about ourselves and our mind and our world in ways that were unavailable while ‘normal’ ticked our boxes. Regardless of who, how and why, that is for most of us here not available – and the ‘new normal’ is bollox or terrifying depending how you see it. But is anything but ‘safe’!

348921 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Binra, #113 of 2354 🔗

Excellent insight. This is new for all of us and we must never be too trusting.

348894 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to danny, 9, #114 of 2354 🔗

This site can’t offer everything, but the comments section is the best you’ll find.

350170 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Rowan, #115 of 2354 🔗

I find the comments section of Peter Hitchen’s blog to be very good (discounting the occasional zealot). It’s got some very well informed regular commentators. In fact, the blog itself is a long way short of the quality of views in his comments section.

This site is very twitchy with people still scared of being called or associated with ‘tin-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists’ while the country continues to descend into utter madness and ruin – deliberately.

349105 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to danny, #116 of 2354 🔗

There is undoubtedly a kind of ‘revisionism’ going on…how long before it becomes ‘lockdowns are ok…they just were not done quickly enough!

348527 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Hattie, 10, #117 of 2354 🔗

Toby knows what is good for him. Who can blame him? When the government clamps down on us Toby will be right on their side. I’m grateful every day for this platform but the events get sour we will see who is on our side..Not many i’m afraid.

349094 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Hattie, #118 of 2354 🔗

Thats because they are. They may well end up joining the other side…stranger things have happened. After all the alleged ‘libertarian’ Christopher Snowden has recently joined the lockdownisters.

350173 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Hattie, #119 of 2354 🔗

Toby’s a softie.

348335 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Londo Mollari, 36, #120 of 2354 🔗

My very first thought when it came to the idea of only allowed out once a week was that that wouldnt even cover doing my shopping (even though I only have to shop for myself/don’t have any pets). As someone that doesn’t have a car yet (because of not being able to afford one) – I go to Tesco once a week just for the stuff from there and am carrying as much as I can possibly manage just from there. I also need to go to my local wholefood shop and wouldn’t have any spare “carrying capacity” for the stuff from there and so how would I manage to get that as well? That’s before we go into my need/right for exercise and there would be people in a worse situation than myself on that front – eg those living in high-rise flats and the like and therefore unable to even, in extremis, do umpteen circuits of their garden in lieu of having a walk. Yep…I calculated I’d have to do around 25 circuits of my garden and attendant walking up and down my road to get in 3 miles worth of “having a walk”.

348581 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 14, #121 of 2354 🔗

I don’t have a car and do my shopping in dribs and drabs because there are limits to what I can carry. As for exercise, I live in a not so good area where the “green spaces” are sorry excuses for parks which despite the council’s best efforts are regularly vandalised and strewn with litter. I got fed up with my area during the first lockdown and vowed Never Again.

348372 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Londo Mollari, 25, #122 of 2354 🔗

They don’t have enough police and the army is minuscule. Plus we’ve seen how the police “enforce” the “regulations” and make things up as they go along. We have to hold our nerve because they’re many of us and few of them. And of course they wouldn’t dare go into places like Tottenham, Edmonton, Brixton – they would get beaten up.

348400 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Bart Simpson, 22, #123 of 2354 🔗

My father in law lives on a South London estate he says the gangs were out in March and have been out ever since , every Saturday night loud music in the park no sign of police ever patroling it

348432 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to tonyspurs, 17, #124 of 2354 🔗

I live not far from the North West London HQ of the Met and despite all the anti-social behaviour here over the summer, they did SFA. There was even a murder 5 minutes from where I live and nothing has been heard about that since.

348649 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to tonyspurs, 8, #125 of 2354 🔗

They only go for the easy targets.

349135 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #126 of 2354 🔗

Like women having a flask of tea.

348416 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #127 of 2354 🔗

They would rely on people policing each other.

349133 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, -1, #128 of 2354 🔗

Lets hope they get severely beaten up…only the best for the boys and girls in blue.

348422 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #129 of 2354 🔗

Could these stricter measures be subtle vaccine coercion?

I agree, i don’t think these polls are reliable.

348498 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #130 of 2354 🔗

Yes you have been a naughty boy, if you carry on I will keep you inside during break time. But no journalist ever says, er! could it be your lockdowns are not working?

348490 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #131 of 2354 🔗

I keep hoping for a tipping point. None in site. Things will have to get a lot worse. I just don’t care anymore. My personal Liberty is in my head and anybody that invades that space, in or out of uniform, gets repelled. I will get into trouble. It’s inevitable, but necessary.

348270 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 49, #132 of 2354 🔗

With regards to the opening article and Toby’s comments regarding cases, would like to have seen some reference to false positives, multiple tests on individuals etc., some reference to over-inflated figures. Please can we not keep referring to polls as accurate measurements, and if so many people are so pro lockdown why the need fir stricter regulations because of non compliance, surely thats a contradiction in terms. Looking at comments in the DT and even the DM, not seeing vast support, quite the opposite.

348276 ▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to Hattie, 26, #133 of 2354 🔗

Yes, I agree. EVERYTHING is being manipulated at the moment. The rule of thumb is believe absolutely nothing that eminates from the MSM.

348280 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Hattie, 32, #134 of 2354 🔗

I think UK society is now much more fragmented than used to be the case, only certain segments of the population are likely to do opinion polls. I think the current situation indicates that this Government is poles apart from much of the British People. I think it also shows that the appalling covid fear propaganda is failing to get to many people. Unfortunately i think the Gov are now panicking themselves, they have invested so much in this nonsense they cannot afford to be seen to fail. They do not know what to do and so are likely to take the only action they can, which is ratchet up the lockdown, which as we know is like trying to turn of your water supply to solve a gas leak.

348321 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #135 of 2354 🔗

The pollsters are also manipulating the cross section of those polled to better obtain the answer they want.

He who pays the piper……etc etc

348452 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #136 of 2354 🔗

Even if you don’t assume deliberate manipulation, the truth is pollsters don’t have sufficient data to know how to weight categories on this issue. Whereas with political polls we have decades of data about the propensity of one socio-economic group to vote in a particular manner (and can therefore project what shifts mean in a small sample) there is little or no data to group the population for any other question. Political polls group people based on age, sex, race, income group and education – why would those categories necessarily be relevant for attitudes to a virus?

Of course, there are certain beliefs that have been formed (i.e. public sector workers at home on full pay or middle class workers with secure jobs and the ability to work at home are more likely to support lockdown) but those are assumptions and it wouldn’t be safe to assume they are robust enough to scale up to the national population. I suspect some of us here are exceptions to those ourselves.

348521 ▶▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Andrew Fish, 5, #137 of 2354 🔗

Interestingly, I have not had a yougov survey for over a week now, since I gave them a strong set of answers on the last survey I did. Definitely choosing the people they poll ‘carefully’.

348570 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Felice, 2, #138 of 2354 🔗

How often do you normally get them? If that’s an unusual delay and other people have the same experience it would suggest something dodgy is going on.

350493 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Felice, #139 of 2354 🔗

It always depends on who is paying them to produce what result. If we could crowdfund a poll to say we think the earth is flat, they would poll the right people. LibDems, mostly.

349144 ▶▶▶▶ Guy, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #140 of 2354 🔗

I answer all of the YouGov surveys sent to me but after expressing my anti-lockdown views during the first lockdown I don’t seem to get asked about the government rules just my mental health wellbeing! Cheers YouGov!

348670 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Steve Martindale, #141 of 2354 🔗

Isn’t yougov now sponsored by Bill Gates

348423 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Hattie, 5, #142 of 2354 🔗

Yes – polls are intended to form opinion, not reflect it.

Decision-makers do commission proper private polls, but keep the results to themselves, because information is valuable.

349341 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Hattie, 2, #143 of 2354 🔗

We are in a data-driven pseudo-epidemic (a well known medical concept) arisiing from inadequate testing. There was a big one in the US in 2007. A supposed whooping cough epidemic turned out to be an outbreak of atypical symptoms of the common cold after proper testing. I think there was one relating to measles in the UK some time ago.

There are too many people with a vested interest in the status quo – for-profit testing companies, PPE outfits, bought-and-paid-for scientists, b-a-p-f politicians, Big Pharma, central banksters – for this to change voluntarily.

349855 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ken Garoo, #144 of 2354 🔗

The measles scare was in the 1990s. It was created because they had shedloads of measles vax that was about to go out of date!

348271 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 75, #145 of 2354 🔗

I was doing a shift in the family business on Saturday. One of my customers (a fellow sceptic) was revelling in me that he’d been walking his dog in one of the big city parks here in Liverpool. He said there were people everywhere, barely a mask in sight and zero f**ks given about social distancing.

This was later backed up by other customers who had visited Calderstones, another large park in an affluent part of the city. One told me it was like the football, barely any space to walk on the footpaths. Music to my ears.

“Stay at home, protect the NHS?” We’re laughing at you, Johnson.

348295 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Scotty87, 61, #146 of 2354 🔗

Left the UK yesterday, now in Qatar – hotel isolation for a week. Let’s just say terminal 5 was not quiet, my flight busy with most passengers in transit to places beyond Qatar, so not much notice being taken at the don’t travel diktat.
Security staff in Heathrow, I have found the past few years to be jumped up little bossy boots, but they excelled themselves yesterday – possibly taking a leaf from plods book to make our lives so miserable we will comply. They all have masks and now glasses closely resembling a cross between Ali G glasses and ski goggles. One even had black sunglasses, black mask and gloves … oh miss toughy. Had a feeling there was elements of intimidation, orders barked or alternatively some couldn’t even bother to speak and just pointed.. Got a full up and down body frisk 3 times, after the X-Ray and standing there just in jeans, jumper and socks – not sure what the point of that was. Final humiliation was that after the final check in through the boarding gate we were subjected to being sniffed by a slobbering hound before boarding-not our bags, us. Now if these were supposed covid detecting dogs, wondering what action they intended if the dog alerted them that one of us was positive. As everyone had to have a negative pcr result to travel, there was no need for this measure, besides it being frankly a disgrace to be subjected to this without consent, I did ask the dog handler what the object of this dehumanising action was, but I was just stared at and ignored. Are they trying to make the experience so dreadful that we will avoid travelling.
At this end, what a contrast, Yes, documents required, but the move through the airport to transport and then the hotel was done with efficiency and courtesy, more akin to you as a customer rather than an inconvenient nuisance plebe, polite courtesies, a please, would you mind, and madam – doesn’t take much.. What has happened to the UK that makes our security and police so removed from treating people as people.

348686 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Hattie, 5, #147 of 2354 🔗

I agree with your description of airport security staff – they are in a menial job probably minimum wage, but put a uniform on them and wow they convert to being in the blackshirt brigade – overly bossy, authoritarian little shits with an over inflated sense of importance. There are a few exceptions but not many in my experience and I guess this whole shitstorm has made them worse.

Interesting that T5 was not quiet – I went to Greece in Sep and again T5 was busy and I thought people are just getting on with their lives but I had the impression that no-one is travelling with all the fevered brainwashing. But now with all the tests are a real hassle and I’m avoiding travel at the mo due to this and other crazy restrictions and mask wearing etc.

I do believe that they are doing their best to make travel inconvenient, expensive, restrictive and so unpleasant to reduce numbers. They have given no support to the travel/aviation industry. IMHO I think it’s all deliberate to align with their ‘green’ agenda to stop the masses from travel which will be the preserve of the rich.

I assume going to Qatar is more of a long stay if have to quarantine for a week before being let out – you there for holiday or work? Have a great trip!

348275 Annie, replying to Annie, 14, #148 of 2354 🔗
348369 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Annie, 3, #149 of 2354 🔗

Excellent article – thanks for sharing the link, Annie. Will be sending to others…

348282 New name old face, replying to New name old face, 4, #150 of 2354 🔗

Anybody think this is sinister from the WEF? Gave me chills.

https://mobile.twitter.com/wef/status/1348510057948962819

348303 ▶▶ LS99, replying to New name old face, 9, #151 of 2354 🔗

Love the reply tweet though “With all my organs, I hope”.

348341 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to New name old face, 5, #152 of 2354 🔗

Why? I don’t follow the logic. Europe’s night trains making a comeback is a good thing per se – ie because it’s trains, rather than planes.

348462 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to ElizaP, 1, #153 of 2354 🔗

Absolutely, many of the trains were removed in the last few years, would be excellent to get them back. They were much more pleasant than flying.

348537 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to New name old face, #154 of 2354 🔗

I would have thought an hour or two on a plane is far cheaper and more convenient

348755 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, #155 of 2354 🔗

You’ve not tried to pass through Luton Airport at a busy time, MP, have you ?

348633 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to New name old face, 2, #156 of 2354 🔗

Why? Night trains are great.

But will we need a ‘vaccine passport’ to use them?

348287 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 14, #157 of 2354 🔗

Queuing outside a supermarket is “bending the rules”???????

348354 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #158 of 2354 🔗

Ironic given we’re forced to queue due to the need to have fewer people in the shops. Just shows these people have no idea how real life works.

348450 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ambwozere, 4, #159 of 2354 🔗

DELUSIONAL ARROGANCE.

348288 danny, replying to danny, 131, #160 of 2354 🔗

Came across a fellow unmasked person in a shop yesterday, battling a drone behind the counter insisting that “the law doesn’t count now as we are in crisis and shouldn’t work together to save the nation”. Politely helped the guy out explaining to her that yes, exemptions do count, and no, they do not need to be justified in a shop”.
It blew over quickly, and was reasonably amicable, but as I stood there next to the stranger talking to the assistant I realised that for the first time I was in a majority. Of three people sure, but I had the force of numbers actually on my side. The isolation of not wearing a muzzle, of being against lockdown, means that outside of friends, sites like this, and obviously protests, you are always alone, so this small moment felt fantastic.
Please, anyone who hates masks but puts them on for an easy road, I get it. But please, the more of us that make a stand, the easier it will get.

348299 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to danny, 32, #161 of 2354 🔗

“the law doesn’t count now as we are in crisis and shouldn’t work together to save the nation”
Rather terrifying sentiment actually although I wonder if it was “should” rather than “shouldn’t” – even if the law doesn’t forbid something the crisis justifies bans and restrictions. Cynic though I have been for a long time, even I have been shocked by how amenable many Brits are to tyranny.

348371 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Waldorf, 6, #162 of 2354 🔗

Sorry, predictive typing. Yes should read “should”.

350257 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Waldorf, 1, #163 of 2354 🔗

NOW will you believe that the country’s going to hell in a handcart?! 🙂

348751 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to danny, 4, #164 of 2354 🔗

Come along to the Brighton KBF group danny. Meeting like-minded folk is a key benefit.

348759 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to danny, 5, #165 of 2354 🔗

There are none so isolated as those who wear masks.

349355 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to danny, 6, #166 of 2354 🔗

I am glad things worked out OK.

Which shop was that? The employee is opening their employer up to legal action under civil law ( fines up to £5000 / £9000 depending on actions) by even querying a customer for not wearing a mask. The only people allowed to query are police officers, PCSOs, TfL officers and indivduals designated by the Secretary of State for Health.

https://laworfiction.com/2020/09/face-covering-some-pretend-law/

The site has some useful paperwork to support things if needed.

FWIW my local Sainsburys play announcements notifying customers about people who are not able to socially distance or to wear face masks. They are very considerate in that respect. It certainly avoids them falling foul of discrimnation/privacy laws

348290 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #167 of 2354 🔗

Here is a link to that loveworld video and the OFCOM notice of sanctions against them.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Agv7JEO8MngCij_-MctNYo0coRCi?e=qPB0eO

The notice is dated April 2020 and contains a transcript of the show.

So how did these guys know in April 2020 the vaccine, vaccination passports, HCQ etc was coming?

348297 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #168 of 2354 🔗

I think it was at the back of the minds of many.

348409 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #169 of 2354 🔗

Not in the general public nor in the media.

348713 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Awkward Git, #170 of 2354 🔗

Which country was he talking about, sounds very familiar with the Canadian leak papers

348292 TC, replying to TC, 14, #171 of 2354 🔗

The open letter to the FBI et al is worth downloading and saving to any sceptics computer/phone.
What response it will receive I know not but Imperial College will not be best pleased among others.
If the US Federal Government takes as much notice of this as it did of Sepp Blatter then maybe something will happen?

348309 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to TC, 8, #172 of 2354 🔗

I think the FBI might be a little busy in upcoming months if what was posted in the comments section last night with regards to election fraud proves correct. So might a lot of other European law enforcement agencies for that matter.

348313 ▶▶▶ adamsson, replying to Richy_m_99, 9, #173 of 2354 🔗

Oh they won’t be worrying about election fraud it worked and they got away with it. No they will be after Trump supporters and other dissidents.

348300 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #174 of 2354 🔗

How to conjure up a spike in hospitalisations and Covid deaths in the S/W ?

Transfer ill patients from hospitals in the East of England is how.

348673 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to karenovirus, 5, #175 of 2354 🔗

Yep, it’s happening in my hospital.But will the local scaremongering “Somerset Live” and “Devon Live’ look at that before they write their multiple doom-laden headlines every day?

348305 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 7, #176 of 2354 🔗

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Stay safe; stop the spread.

348901 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to wendyk, 2, #177 of 2354 🔗

Yes, exactly this kind of thing!

348307 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 31, #178 of 2354 🔗

The current febrile atmosphere and the further threats to our freedom seem very much orientated aroud the NHS. The ruling Junta are terrified of the public seeing the sainted and worshipped NHS fail under their watch. And so if you are the Government you do not know what to do? and so you turn to lockdown even though lockdown is a bit like turning off the gas when you actually have a water leak, pointless.
If you take a simple look at the figures, there are 32294 ‘covid’ patients in hospital, that represents 0.048% of the UK population, ot to put it another way 66177000 (99.95%) people in the UK do not currently have serious ‘covid’. So it is not surprising if people do not really get the need to lockdown. The 0.048 % figure represent 1 in 2200, so if in your local area of 2200 people, 1 person has serious covid, you would hardly think it was a serious problem.

But I am afraid the ruling Junta are so spooked about the NHS that things are going to get worse.

348319 ▶▶ Laurence, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #179 of 2354 🔗

Of the 32,994, many are there ‘with’ COVID as opposed to ‘from COVID’. Critical care occupancy in London as at 3 January was around 300 higher than the same time last year – that’s 1 in 30,000 of London’s population.

348324 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #180 of 2354 🔗

I agree Steve that this has always been about “saving the NHS” but I wonder whether this also gives this government the excuse to “reform” it at the same time. Governments have known for a long time that the current model is unsustainable and I for one would be glad to see it reformed. Let’s put in more front line workers and get rid of a lot of the management tiers and quangos.

348563 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Margaret, 17, #181 of 2354 🔗

I laugh about the wonderful NHS and protection. I am sorry why is it my job to protect you. Aren’t you meant to be protecting me? We have spent billions of pounds and still you can’t cope. We closed down schools and still you can’t cope. We shut down pubs, gyms and restaurants and still you can’t cope. We are all fucking stuck indoors and still…… I just wonder! Just saying! Perhaps the NHS is not fit for purpose? Gasp!!!

348695 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Margaret, 12, #182 of 2354 🔗

In the NHS we are currently being asked to make plans and a “wish list” in each department for the NHS 2030 vision. It seems that money is being given to us, with very many strings attached, with a view to “transforming things” by 2030. Those of us who’ve been around the block in the NHS have heard these types of initiatives umpteen times over the years, and they never go anywhere. We asked for the usual basics – sufficient staff, clinic space to see patients (which we don’t have at the moment, hence the difficulty seeing people in outpatient clinics even though we want to) etc etc but all they want is for us to “work differently” and use less qualified people to do very specialised work. Trying to provide a safe and effective service is a constant battle against management diktats these days.

348345 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #183 of 2354 🔗

Looking at the DM Online article about further restrictions, there are over 10,000 comments and the top rated ones are very sceptical.

349161 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #184 of 2354 🔗

It reads like this comments page, perhaps not as well informed.

348310 Stephen Priest, 49, #185 of 2354 🔗

A post from Spectator

Jean 11 hours ago
Dr Roger Hodgkinson has ruined the vaccine party and made most people look stupid.
He spoke at a Medical industry conference in Canada today. What he said was unexpected.
Here is a summary of what he said:
1. There is nothing anyone can do to stop this virus which is NOT on the same scale as Ebola or SARS.
2. It should be treated as a normal flu. Back to chicken noodle soup, vitamins (especially Vit D) and protect the care homes.
3. Lockdowns and mask wearing and the whole vaccine business should STOP TOMORROW. To continue is crazy, outrageous and cruel. The effect that these stupid measures are causing mass Job loss, depression and mental and physical health problems in all ages.
4. Mask wearing is absolutely no ruddy use. None whatsoever. People are acting like lemmings.
5. It is an airborne virus so 2m social distancing rules are based on medical fraud.
6. Give the elderly in care homes high levels of vitamin D. This has been found to prevent and cure covid in the vast numbers of cases. No need for vaccines!
7. He is in the covid testing industry and states categorically that tests should be scrapped except for those presenting at hospital with respiratory conditions. NOBODY else needs the tests. Positive test results on the healthy DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING except feed the frenzy.
REPEAT: END THIS NIGHTMARE TOMORROW! It is nothing but Politics driving Medicine and it HAS TO STOP!
About Dr. Roger Hodkinson.
Dr. Hodkinson is the CEO and Medical Director of MedMalDoctors.
He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK (M.A., M.B., B. Chir.) where he was a scholar at Corpus Christi College.
Following a residency at the University of British Columbia he became a Royal College certified general pathologist (FRCPC) and also a Fellow of the College of American Pathologists (FCAP).
He is in good Standing with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta, and has been recognized by the Court of Queen’s Bench in Alberta as an expert in pathology.
His testimony has been a severe embarrassment for the Vax Terror establishment which, predictably mobilised its internet resources to quickly try to crush his credibility and so forth.
Too late! The cat is well and truly out of the bag!
He joins a growing band of medical and scientific experts brave enough to put their careers on the line and face the inevitable vicious character assassination and other attacks Big Pharma’s psyops brigade are so good at (they’ve had LOTS of practice) in their effort to alert their fellow citizens to the truth.
Dr Hodkinson’s testimony is precise, authoritative and highly articulate.

https://youtu.be/79hWdSRjAoU

348312 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 33, #186 of 2354 🔗

Dismal headline from the Daily Mail today:

Is lockdown about to get TOUGHER? Matt Hancock refuses to rule out curfews or closing nurseries | Daily Mail Online

I can’t see how this will change health outcomes or even be effectively policed for that matter.

Do they not risk a collapse in public consent now?

348343 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to jhfreedom, 34, #187 of 2354 🔗

I think by all practical measures there has been a collapse in public support. I think this is why they are behaving so desperately.

There is certainly a discrepancy between what the polls say people want and what people are actually doing. I suppose it could also be down to society splitting into two distinct camps, not exactly zealots vs sceptics, but people who just want to get on with their lives but don’t necessarily think too deeply about COVID (the ones we see out and about) vs the terrified.

I predict that the ones who just want to get on with their lives will win it for us in the end. Maybe I’m too optimistic.

348358 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #188 of 2354 🔗

People aspire to a national lockdown, ie they want to be seen to do the right thing and ‘save granny’ but they cannot quite face up to the sacrifice required. It makes them normal, not cruel or selfish.

348362 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to jhfreedom, 23, #189 of 2354 🔗

Pretty much. It’s another thing that the so called behavioural experts have failed to take into account. Leaving aside the fact that lockdowns have been a failure in disease control, another reason that they simply cannot work is that the people imposing them have failed to take human nature into account.

They continually blame the ‘rule breakers’, yet almost everybody is a ‘rule breaker’ in one way or another with regards to lockdowns and social distancing, whether willingly or not. It’s because the policy is incompatible with human nature and cannot be sustained over such a long period.

So what do they propose? They propose that the police get up close and personal with people doing things like sitting alone on benches, which is unnecessary close contact and a breach of their own disease control protocol. It just cannot work.

348389 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 10, #190 of 2354 🔗

Replying to myself here as I can’t edit my post anymore.

I wanted to add, that what they’ve done is devised a behavioural policy that does not take the nature of the people responsible for following it into account. They may not like the fact that people bend and break their rules, but whether they like it or not, people are always going to and they cannot control that. It’s impossible.

It’s the same with every set of rules, whether in industry or in public life. If you devise a policy which fails to take into account the nature of those expected to follow it, it will either fail or lead to outcomes that you did not plan for. I think that’s what’s happening here. I’ve seen bad managers go down the same road.

348442 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 13, #191 of 2354 🔗

Also, non-compliance is being interpreted as an ‘evil’ when really it should be seen as a ‘signal’. When shock ads, makeshift mortuaries and pleas to ‘save granny’ don’t work it’s not because we are a cruel or hard people. It’s because we feel the price we are paying to save our vulnerable and old has a limit, one that was breached months ago. The government risk mass non-compliance and when that line is crossed this whole thing is over. They need to devote all resource to vaccinating those who want it so that the fear is taken out of all this and the testing can stop.

348485 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #192 of 2354 🔗

Yeah absolutely. Nobody (well no-one I know anyway) wants to kill a granny.

Those who suggest that anybody does is either using emotive language to try and manipulate (and many are), or they are so out of touch that they think that human beings can be directed to behave as predictably and uniformly as water flowing through a pipe. Well they can’t because as you say, everybody has a limit and everybody has different interests. It’s not evil it’s normal.

Those who genuinely believe that lockdowns can work don’t seem to acknowledge that human beings behave very unpredictably. They see us as drones moving around in a perfectly orderly system. It’s just not like that, they need to accept this or they will continue to fail.

348593 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 10, #193 of 2354 🔗

Ah yes, but which granny do we want to kill? So its okay for the granny with cancer, heart disease, lung and liver problems dementia and depression to die? But hey we saved the one with covid. Oh wait, no we didn’t, they all died because we chucked them out of hospital back into care homes!

348599 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #194 of 2354 🔗

Indeed, the whole ‘strategy’ is nonsense if the aim is to ‘save lives’.

348438 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #195 of 2354 🔗

absolutely: the divide is between the terrified [which could be further subdivided into the terrified of covid/the terrified of the slide into global totalitarianism – in other words, sceptics and zealots, both a minority, are paradoxically on the SAME side] vs the ‘normies’ who really don’t give a shit and don’t think deeply about any of it – these are overwhelmingly the majority – so I guess it’s a battle between the 2 minorities for control of this group

348533 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #196 of 2354 🔗

Definitely. It’s a battle for the middle group. The middle group is naturally inclined to want to resume normal life, so we have an advantage in that regard, hence the recent attempts to ramp up the fear and ‘crack down’. They aren’t cracking down and pumping out propaganda to frighten or influence us sceptics, they are well aware that they won’t change our minds.

They are trying to pull the middle group back their way, because that group is getting bored of this.

348482 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 9, #197 of 2354 🔗

I think there are actually 3 camps. The genuinely scared shitless who willingly comply. The stupid, uninformed, who want to get on with their lives but reluctantly comply. And us, the free thinking, freedom loving, independent minded, sceptics, who will NEVER comply.

348510 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Maverick, 4, #198 of 2354 🔗

Well it’s true that ‘hardcore’ sceptics like us and frightened lockdown zealots are also two groups, but neither is probably anywhere near a majority.

The ‘compliant middle’ comply up to a point with the ‘easy stuff’ like masks in shops, but how many of them have genuinely had no social contact for months or stick closely to social distancing rules etc? In my experience not that many of them, even though they might occasionally pay lip service to how bad the COVID is and are somewhat wary of it when they remember to be…

348347 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #199 of 2354 🔗

Look at the comments there. Further restrictions are not popular.

348357 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to thinkaboutit, 10, #200 of 2354 🔗

Yes. I wonder whether this was a sounding out exercise. We are at the limits now.

348314 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 51, #201 of 2354 🔗

You couldn’t make it up.

Around 30-40,000 excess lives lost in a year, around 7,000 people under 75, in a country of around 60 million (England and Wales).

A government that has starved the health service of cash over the last 10 years, and now it is too weak to handle demand, so curtails nearly all movement including kids going go school, despite any evidence this has any effect. Peoples lives are wrecked, especially the poorer in society.

A hospitalisation rate lower than in previous years but a critical care occupancy slightly higher (see yesterday’s post) once the huge increase in older people is taken into account.

NHS staff self-isolating and not attending work on the basis of the most dubious tests riddled with false positives.

And, to cap it all, an opposition leader who, instead of blaming the government for needlessly destroying the lives of the people, supports these insane policies and asks for more.

What is wrong with Boris and Keir ?

348318 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Laurence, 32, #202 of 2354 🔗

In a word:
Evil.

348336 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Laurence, 39, #203 of 2354 🔗

The government has NOT starved the NHS of cash. Go read the NHS budgets. They go UP every year.

What has happened is allocation of more and more money to middle management. So it’s a bung for all the “important” managers but sucks resources from other places.

348454 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to mhcp, 14, #204 of 2354 🔗

Wish I could double double up tick your comment!
It was explained to me years ago: the money is handed to the NHS administrators, and administrators spend it mostly on administration not front line services.

348934 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to bluemoon, 12, #205 of 2354 🔗

All my family are medical and parents’ friends are mostly doctors, plus one retired administrator. All except him agree that there was always plenty of money in the NHS but it’s all in the wrong place. Axe the administration!

Case study remains Northumberland, where all A&E departments were shut pending construction of a single A&E centre at Cramlington. Northumberland is quite big. Emergency cases ambulanced up to 60 miles along winding country roads to Cramlington for assessment before being transferred to other hospitals for treatment. Often, therefore, no ambulances available in time. Cramlington is a wonderful hospital but hopelessly overstretched. The aforementioned administrator had to drive his wife 50 miles to Cramlington in the middle of the night when she had a stroke and no ambulance was forthcoming. (She’s fine.)

Only a committee of experts could contrive to spend so much public money in such a wasteful and insane way. They are now reopening A&E departments in other parts of the county.

349571 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to bluemoon, 3, #206 of 2354 🔗

From the US but highly relevant:

Growth in numbers of administrators and physicians 1970-2009

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Growth in salary costs of administration and physicians 1970-2009

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The data only goes up to 2009, so it is undoubtedly worse now. We definitely have a US-style health care in these respects.

348509 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to mhcp, 6, #207 of 2354 🔗

Absolutely there is a lot of money sloshing round in the NHS. It just doesn’t go where it’s needed or worthwhile, hasn’t for years.

348613 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mhcp, 18, #208 of 2354 🔗

This is not true, we the NHS have set up a group to investigate this claim, it is made up of senior consultants paid a £1000 a day. We also have ten new diversity officers to make sure they all are aware of their pronouns. This group will be supported by 25 senior managers from each area. We are setting up a new computer system run by a senior manager and a new group of programmers to analyse the data. Thus we will show there is no waste in the glorious NHS.

349554 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Laurence, 1, #209 of 2354 🔗

Keir? He is looking a bit wan these days.

348315 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 20, #210 of 2354 🔗

It does make you laugh. Lockdown has now been proven to be a complete failure when asked to go up against WINTER; a season where a lot of people like staying indoors anyway.

But what of those clowns, those chin scratchers that feigned a degree of informed knowledge back in December? You know the ones – Matt Hancock keeps their area Tier 2 and they – after careful consideration – think ‘well, I would’ve put us in Tier 3, just to be safe’. The jokers never envisaged a Tier 4 or beyond, just striking a slightly more cautious (and therefore virtuous) position than the government. A government who are also completely winging it. Laughable.

These are the individuals that need to be derided. Absolute whoppers of the silliest kind.

348514 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #211 of 2354 🔗

When MH put West Suffolk in T2 it had the third lowest rate in the whole of England.

349578 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #212 of 2354 🔗

They have to keep changing the rules every few weeks to keep 1984 Health Act loophole open. The laws are all based on ‘severe and imminent’ issues. Something that happened 9 months cannot be considered imminent. The CFR has dropped from 20% to 2% (give or take) but the ‘cases’are going up / new infectious variants, etc, etc keep it ‘severe’ and ‘imminent’. Hey presto, random changeo, permanent lockdown.

348316 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 9, #213 of 2354 🔗

Errr… I thought the meeting was top-secret?

348620 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bugle, 2, #214 of 2354 🔗

Shhhhh, we will be talking quietly! 007 eat your heart out!

348317 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 70, #215 of 2354 🔗

My rights and freedoms are not to be granted or taken away by the government in some bizarre attempt at managing demand in the health service. I have never accepted lockdown and never will. I will never vote for the Conservatives after doing this to me and I will never vote Labour because they wanted to go further. To hell with them all

348325 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to steve_w, 2, #216 of 2354 🔗

Opting out isn’t an option.

348382 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Lucan Grey, 18, #217 of 2354 🔗

The trouble is who would you vote for? I am really left with going down the Peter Hitchens route of spoiling the ballot paper and just writing none of the above.
I expect that come the next election many on this site will find themselves in that position.
The words of the old song keep coming up in my head these days;
‘I hear the voices of those that’s gone on before
and i don’t feel at home in this world anymore’



348386 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #218 of 2354 🔗

we need another party – reform, brexit, whatever

I don’t care about its manifesto as long as it includes ‘we shouldnt have done lockdown and wont ever do it again’ – preferably for the May elections (if they go ahead)

348421 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to steve_w, 12, #219 of 2354 🔗

do you really think we’re ever going to get another election? I don’t. they will realise that they don’t even need to pretend any more that they are the servants of the people , and will quite openly acknowledge their true masters

349201 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #220 of 2354 🔗

Yes talk of delaying elections until September is so obvious. The ‘crisis’ will be back by then.

348625 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steve_w, 5, #221 of 2354 🔗

Was looking forward to Nigel saving us, then he suggested putting fucking Tony Blair in charge of the vaccine. WTF?

348733 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #222 of 2354 🔗

Useful – Farage showing his true colours.

350050 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Spikedee1, #223 of 2354 🔗

Its game over for him.

348390 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #224 of 2354 🔗

I spoiled my ballot during the last London mayoral elections. If enough of us did it, they will have to do a round 2.

I will never vote Conservative ever again. And if Labour, the Lib Dems and Green think they’re going to get my vote they’re sorely mistaken.

A plague on all their houses.

348425 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tangelo, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #225 of 2354 🔗

I’m afraid to say I voted for that shitweasle Khan out if old aligences. Never again if we ever get the chance.

348436 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tangelo, 1, #226 of 2354 🔗

That’s why the elections should go ahead if only to tell that shitweasel that he’s been weighed on the balances and found wanting.

350054 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, #227 of 2354 🔗

Never again for any of them…I can never forgive this.

348398 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #228 of 2354 🔗

I suppose you could go live in the woods- off grid and below the radar. Not everyones cup of tea though.

348424 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to steve_w, 2, #229 of 2354 🔗

Unfortunately there does not seem to be a mainstream party that is obviously against lockdowns.

If there are elections in May (and it is a massive if, considering these bastards want to suspend democracy) who can we vote for to protest at how our freedoms have ben stolen? – should we just spoil our ballot papers ?

348461 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #230 of 2354 🔗

If May’s elections are postponed, it will give opposition parties longer to get their ducks in a row. That’s good.
However I doubt the idiots in government have thought of this aspect to postponement, they’re too busy patting themselves on the back for saving us all from a deadly pandemic.

348632 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to bluemoon, 5, #231 of 2354 🔗

Handjob was genuinely shocked that people think of him as the architect of lockdown and misery and not the saviour with the jab.

348737 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Aslangeo, #232 of 2354 🔗

Local elections are not so ‘mainstream party oriented’. Chance of one or two sensible candidates, surely ?

348729 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to steve_w, 2, #233 of 2354 🔗

I think you will never be given a chance to vote again. Democracy is dead.

348322 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 17, #234 of 2354 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/10/london-hospital-trust-cancels-urgent-cancer-surgery-covid-barts

Cancer patients now abandoned; desperately ill and despairing sufferers consigned to NHS limbo.

348330 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to wendyk, 20, #235 of 2354 🔗

Probably our fault because we had a coffee on a bench…

348350 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 12, #236 of 2354 🔗

And I went out twice the other day!

348363 ▶▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to wendyk, 7, #237 of 2354 🔗

KILLER! 😂

348375 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #238 of 2354 🔗

Will I be tarred and feathered? The way things are going now,will my plea of necessity count in my favour?

348642 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to wendyk, 1, #239 of 2354 🔗

You will be locked in your room and made to watch Julie Andrews running over an Austrian mountain on a loop. The hills are NOT alive!!

349594 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Spikedee1, #240 of 2354 🔗

They are alive with the sound of covid!

348384 ▶▶▶▶ Marg, replying to wendyk, 2, #241 of 2354 🔗

Think you should be made an example of. Perhaps the stocks, people could arrange their exercise period in turns to ridicule you, as long as they are local and not carrying a cup of coffee.

349599 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Marg, #242 of 2354 🔗

Perhaps people could hurl their discarded muzzles at offenders rather than dropping them randomly in the street (aka careful disposal of potentially toxic medical waste).

348501 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to wendyk, 11, #243 of 2354 🔗

So it’s happening already. As predicted all year by the wicked Professor Karol Sikora among many others, people are now being handed cancer death sentences “because of covid”. And these figures are going to dwarf the covid statistics in the end, and will of course affect all ages.

348554 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #244 of 2354 🔗

Went to upvote you, and could not bring myself to do so. So horribly true.

348682 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #245 of 2354 🔗

So true; and look at the poison denunciations and ad hominem attacks levelled at Professor Sikora recently.

One of our leading, most respected oncologists denounced by the likes of Owen Jones:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-censorious-war-on-lockdown-sceptics

I keep recalling the plight of young father Sherwin Hall, who died aged 27, having fallen victim to the suspension of specialist cancer treatments ‘because of covid’.

He spent months begging for a scan,knowing full well that he was seriously ill, only to have the diagnosis finally confirmed ,after which treatment was cancelled.

348703 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #246 of 2354 🔗

all the deaths will be marked as COVID too as they will manage to test them somehow before death. Coughing due to lung cancer is a well known symptom of COVID don’t you know

349090 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to iansn, 5, #247 of 2354 🔗

Can you imagine what sort of utterly sick medic us going up to a dying patient and sticking a swab up his nose and down his throat just to get another number for the covid score. There should be a whole new level of hell for these fuckers!

348323 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 17, #248 of 2354 🔗

Wouldn’t it be illegal/unlawful to deny anyone a place at a FE college on the basis of not having had a vaccine? these vaccines are experimental.

348326 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #249 of 2354 🔗

Private operations. They can exclude who they like. Just like Twitter.

348334 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #250 of 2354 🔗

Not if all of them do it.

348339 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to mhcp, 5, #251 of 2354 🔗

Yes if all of them do it. Just like in the USA where all of the private companies are excluding people they don’t like.

Look at what is actually happening.

348342 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Lucan Grey, 7, #252 of 2354 🔗

FE Colleges are publicly funded. And i don’t think it would be lawful for Tesco to operate such a policy.

348353 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #253 of 2354 🔗

Yep. Carrying out a function of the state,therefore Human Rights Act etc applies.

348355 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Lucan Grey, 8, #254 of 2354 🔗

isnt it discriminating against people with allergies who cant take it?

348379 ▶▶▶ Marg, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #255 of 2354 🔗

Are they private – I thought they received money from the government

348451 ▶▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Marg, 2, #256 of 2354 🔗

FE colleges get funding for 16-18 year olds, some sort of levy payment for apprenticeships and hardly anything at all for adult learners. So yes they are funded by the government not private.

This isn’t something I’ve heard about at work (I work in an FE college) just about the desire to test the students & staff though tiis is only to be strongly encouraged not mandatory.

348327 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 8, #257 of 2354 🔗

JHB going on about BigTech censorship of Donald Trump. Hasn’t she heard, he’s on Gab now.

348332 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to kh1485, 8, #258 of 2354 🔗

And saying he incited the crowd. If you actual listen to his speech he did none of that. There was a rally at Capitol Hill afterward. Brandon Straka (Walk Away) was slated to speak at it. That is what Trump was referring to.

Plus bombs were laid at various buildings DURING his speech.

So much disinformation as usual

348650 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mhcp, 2, #259 of 2354 🔗

Well they have not told the truth for four years why start now. Did you hear sleepy Joe slurring his opinion? So this is the best you have?

348331 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 7, #260 of 2354 🔗

From ‘Die Losung’ (Brecht)

After the uprising of the 17th of June
The Secretary of the Writers’ Union
Had leaflets distributed on the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could only win it back
By increased work quotas. Would it not in that case be simpler
for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?

348333 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 20, #261 of 2354 🔗

Please look at Sweden’s annual deaths….
Total deaths 2020 the same as the previous 9 years…

348394 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to MFvH, 8, #262 of 2354 🔗

Yep. Even with what they did with care homes. I suspect the UK will be similar within expected variation.

No lives were saved anymore than the tide comes in and out.

But many many businesses, relationships and TRUST have been destroyed

348657 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mhcp, 4, #263 of 2354 🔗

Ah but on Thursday at 8 our wonderful fat pig dictator is going to stop the tide wearing nothing but a face mask. All hail our glorious leader!

348440 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to MFvH, 4, #264 of 2354 🔗

Also worth noting the population has increased around 10% over this period, and that 2019 figures were particularly low.

349032 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to MFvH, #265 of 2354 🔗

They have just hidden all the extra bodies in the same location as the Strategic Steam Reserve. /s

348344 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 31, #266 of 2354 🔗

A I understand, a lot of the pressure in the NHS is due to staff testing positive and having to isolate.

Why don’t they just get these people to work on the covid wards?

348346 ▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 15, #267 of 2354 🔗

Supercovvifragilisticexpicovvidocious!

348348 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Annie, 3, #268 of 2354 🔗

thanks 🙂 you gave me my first chuckle of the day

348352 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Annie, 13, #269 of 2354 🔗

Even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious!!

348367 ▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to wendyk, 11, #270 of 2354 🔗

If you take tests long enough you’re sure to be infectious…..

348378 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to danny, 2, #271 of 2354 🔗

You know you can say it backwards which is “ dociousaliexpilisticfragicalirupus “.

348719 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendyk, 2, #272 of 2354 🔗
349184 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to JohnB, #273 of 2354 🔗

😂

349037 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to wendyk, 2, #274 of 2354 🔗

I’m sure Boris Johnson has uttered that at least once in his life 😉

348364 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to steve_w, 14, #275 of 2354 🔗

That’s too sensible a question, it doesn’t require 3 committees, 25 managers, 4 external management consultants and 250 billion pounds, therefore it’s not a feasible idea.

348662 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steve_w, 2, #276 of 2354 🔗

Also the reason why they have shut schools to stop the nurses having to stay at home as Johnny has the sniffles.

348823 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #277 of 2354 🔗

Educashun is going to be built back better (sic).
The idea of destroying to create is an old Jehovan idea brought back by evolutionary zealots who see extinction events as a once in an epoch opportunity to remake the world in their own image as evolution clearly goofed in making them! Except they project their own ‘work in progress’ as unworthiness of life to Others and to their World – so as to be the role of judge set apart and over Life itself. Wot a caper!

348814 ▶▶ Binra, replying to steve_w, 4, #278 of 2354 🔗

Choke points operate the mechanism of control.
Limitation can be used to deny all but what is left on the table.
Many assume a common purpose that surely will come to recognise what works!
But control operates to protect an agenda given priority – as the conditions that are set for Life to ‘work under’.
There is a control agenda not just in global monopolism – but within the minds of the people who effectively support and demand an unconsciousness or separation from responsibility – for the illusion of freedom under ‘control’.
How much of our own life is running as an expression of narrative control and how much is a genuinely felt, lived and shared presence?

The ‘covid health service’ has replaced the NHS and the biosecurity state is replacing the ‘healthcare (sic) paradigm as a systemic control via the back door – or did I miss something?

The testing is all – or 99.98% – meaningless. We know how to treat and care for colds and flu and a lot else – but Pharma operates the choke points – to ‘make an offer you cant refuse’ Ghislaine Lanctot was right. Her book is easy to find.

348349 Stonecircle, replying to Stonecircle, 34, #279 of 2354 🔗

The Russian response to covid.

The counter covid strategy of the Moscow administration is worth looking at.

I got my information from the website of the Mayor (Sergey Sobyanin).Link: https://www.mos.ru/en/city/projects/covid-19/

Moscow has a population of 12 million and there have been 12,000 covid related deaths. This death rate is similar to ours – 1 in 1,000.

Most Muscovites live in 1970s style blocks of flats. Living conditions may be cramped and it will be difficult to avoid neighbours in lifts and on stairs.

Significant points:

Everyone can get an immunity test.

Lockdown restrictions are miniscule compared with ours. Cafes, hotels, night clubs are all open. Concert halls, cinemas and theatres are open – with a maximum of 25% of capacity.

People are encouraged to go to the office but 30% of workforce must work from home.

Mass gatherings are limited to 50 people.

Front line medical staff at covid hospitals get a bonus. They live in hotels.

Anyone who has so much as a runny nose must contact the health service. If a doctor diagnoses covid the patient will be assessed to see if they require hospital care. To stay at home they must be under 65 and have a separate room to use.

Those treated at home will have antiviral, anticoagulants and an oximeter delivered to them. They have 24/7 access to a call centre.

There are over 100 mobile emergency units that visit people at their home when required.

I think that the Russian response in terms of imposing restrictions are proportionate. Providing rapid treatment to people in their homes where possible has to be right. The Russians have created special covid hospital units which they are able to keep properly staffed (I think).

The Mayor’s website presents the relevant information very clearly. I also like the tone. It does not seek to instil fear and guilt into those that go to it for advice.

348359 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Stonecircle, 16, #280 of 2354 🔗

I’ve been following Russian news for sometime now,and, at the risk of sounding like a red-under-the-bed, I suspect that the Russian approach will be more effective than our shambolic covidisaster.

348467 ▶▶▶ Stonecircle, replying to wendyk, 9, #281 of 2354 🔗

The Russian approach is certainly doing far less damage to society as a whole. Small businesses are still able to operate, actors and performers can get paid, most people can get out of their apartment to go to work.

Social pressure is very strong in Russia. The streets of Moscow are largely free of litter – and rough sleepers are rarely if ever seen. The conforming to covid rules rate by the public will be high.

348890 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to wendyk, #282 of 2354 🔗

If the WHO and ‘friends’ are in fact aligned with the hegemonic banking and corporate cartel interests – then some kind or defection may be wiser than a head on confrontation.
Sputnik is a known vaccine. It does not significantly degrade the stock nor allow the installation of a nanoparticulate operating system into people.
So Indeed Russia has a sense of its own interests or perhaps is an agreed region in which a different experiment is underway. For there is a view that global governance is active in all but name and different regions are selected to test out different approaches and results are fed into the ‘machine intelligence’ of systemic control.
The Russian model seems to be one in which traditional values are kept – such as family and religion – but of course under the aegis of a state that has to not only hold order for many diverse peoples and interests but hold against extreme and ingenious attempts to undermine them from by a US NATO that is part of the military industrial complex – and one with a broad spectrum of other weaponised leverage – including ‘medical’ authority.
The complex of complexes is an entanglement that can indeed be called shambolic.
My sense is a pivot (sellout) to the East (china) and that our leaders (sic) have sold us as biological carbon units for system processing.
Machine thinking generated machine solutions.
The prospect of machine ‘solutions’ sparks a Call to the Human Spirit – that is an release of machine thinking and its managed reality to a real relationship for which we (mostly) are untrained and afraid to open or abide in. But what we bring TO our relationships sets the measure of our receiving.

350009 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Binra, #283 of 2354 🔗

Both Russia and China took notice of the sudden appearance of the pathogen and built dedicated isolation hospitals. These will probably have a long and useful life given the US has ousourced its bioweapons research into countries close to their borders. The markers indicate countries with labs, not number of labs. There are 6 in Ukraine alone.

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In the west, we mix covid & non-covid cases in the same hospital.

A laugh from the past – which countries are best prepared for a pandemic in 2019.

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348393 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Stonecircle, 17, #284 of 2354 🔗

It’s still over the top. The best strategy was to do nothing. Society was already being a bit more cautious but all this social distancing and transmission stuff is just models. You cannot stop a virus/anything doing what it does except looking after your own health.

348478 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to mhcp, 5, #285 of 2354 🔗

And I’m not sure that randomly doling out anticoagulants for self-administration at home is a very good idea, unless you want people to die of brain haemorrhages and intestinal bleeding instead of covid. Unless by “anticoagulant” they mean “aspirin”, in which case fine.

348835 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #286 of 2354 🔗

Its easy to bleed to death by aspirin and was a significant case of death in 1918 when Bayer patented it and then Monsanto took it as their world market when the patent ran out.
The public is uneducated and conditioned to binary instructions such as to invest in panacea wishfully and sometimes fatally or at great cost to life.

348479 ▶▶▶ Stonecircle, replying to mhcp, 1, #287 of 2354 🔗

Yes, if it was up to me we would do as you suggest but if you are in the position of the Mayor of Moscow you are more or less forced to impose some restrictions when genuine covid cases increase. Imagine what the world press would say if no covid restrictions existed in Russia.

348636 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Stonecircle, 4, #288 of 2354 🔗

They can go fuck is what I would say, like Sweden did. If you don’t follow established practices for determining if measures are safe and have a net cost benefit then you are worse than the virus.

348932 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to mhcp, 1, #289 of 2354 🔗

For me I agree. But the issue was not a real pandemic as such but the lockstepped blitz of an active operational drill without the real casualties. Note there are people who die and many died prematurely from mistreatment, lack of treatment and a range of deficiencies and morbidities to which ‘covid19’ was assigned (until switched to ‘coronavirus’ and ‘cases’ arising from tests fraudulently contrived or assigned and inetrepreted (and all the above).
Belarus and One of the African countries indicated back room ‘incentives’ to comply. I believe the African leader has since been replaced.
To any one who looks under the hood the ‘economic hit man’ is simply how hegemonic agendas operate.
Do you want a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs?
Afghanistan got both.
So my point is that the way shadow power operates is masked over by our mainstream ‘reality’ and that the higher one goes in any sphere of influence the more one learns or is required not to ask, speak of or disclose.
Only in mainstreamland does it seem as if we can work together to solve our probems – and manipuative intent uses these intentions to mask a private self-serving agenda in – Save the world! Feed the starving! Eradicate sickness! But always DOES the very thing it says to save from, while the need to believe it keeps the rank and file driving and funding the energy and money supply to masking deceit running within our own minds.

349167 ▶▶▶ Guy, replying to mhcp, 1, #290 of 2354 🔗

Which I believe Belarus are doing? Would be interesting to see if we could get some reliable statistics / feedback from there.

349049 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Stonecircle, 2, #291 of 2354 🔗

Depends. I have asthma and chest colds/runny nose every winter are part and parcel of my life. By the standards above, I’d be in semi-permanent contact with the health service from November through February.

348356 Marg, replying to Marg, 14, #292 of 2354 🔗

A friend of mine in her mid seventies, was approached by an agitated eighty plus year old neighbour, her despair was that she wanted to book in for her vaccination. She didn’t know how to book it on line, never used the internet. Only earlier in the week the lady had driven another neighbour to a local clinic to get his. Seeing her distress my friend took her iPad in to book the appointments. As the designated clinic was out of the area, my friend also has arranged to take her and wait in her car whilst she receives her jab. The appointments are twelve weeks apart, which seems to go against the manufacturers advice. The NHS seems to think that everybody has access to the internet, also when sending out letters, they should note the age and make sure they can attend a local clinic. Why are they causing such unnecessary stress.

348380 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Marg, 9, #293 of 2354 🔗

Over 80s least likely to be online and least likely to be still driving.

348458 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, 6, #294 of 2354 🔗

Public health stupids are not bright enough to know that.

Most of them are well paid apple iphone and watch users who talk about the frames of their latest glasses.

348973 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Marg, 5, #295 of 2354 🔗

The system is everything. People are expendable or ‘collateral damage’ Its a ‘side effect’ of delivering the ‘Solution’. The ability to believe the narrative manipulation as ‘caring’ is one of the most deeply disturbing realities to meet in others, and there is not a lot one may say or do if they are set in such a choice by forces and beliefs they have no capacity to re-evaluate. To follow the advices one must retrain to override all common sense because Dr WHO says or as we see more clearly now, because simple Xi man says.
Compassion is not part of a biosecurity state. Nor is is part of soul-less financial-corporate agenda.
But driving up fear and hate is a necessary leverage for the turning of the mind against itself and of society – people- against each other.
Perhaps there are some who are induced to actually believe that such evils are the necessary price for their ‘saved world from … (insert targeted narrative leverage here)

348368 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 111, #296 of 2354 🔗

It might be easy to despair at the utterly dismal headlines in today’s papers, but take heart: we are winning. They have banned and shut down everything there is so the only thing left is ridiculous and nonsensical measures like masks outside and leaving the house once a week.

They are panicking precisely because people are out and about more. The rigged polls may not reflect it but there is a certain section of society who may necessarily not be hardline sceptics, but who just want to get on with life and forget about Covid. It is these people who will tip us over the edge and it is these people who are making the government panic and lose control. Don’t let the MSM dupe you into thinking that everyone supports lockdown and that you are selfish and immoral for wanting your life back – they don’t and you’re not.

Keep going. We are winning.

348373 ▶▶ saab93viggen, replying to Poppy, 21, #297 of 2354 🔗

Well said, Poppy – as always.

348391 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Poppy, 11, #298 of 2354 🔗

That’s the spirit!

348397 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 20, #299 of 2354 🔗

Hear, hear!!!! This is the government panicking because they’re losing control.

348429 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Poppy, 20, #300 of 2354 🔗

Even with the threats of police, people are still more determined on getting out and about than lockdown 1. We need to stay strong and positive in our minds.

348611 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Poppy, 24, #301 of 2354 🔗

Anyone who says to me now, ‘isn’t it terrible in the UK’, I reply with, ‘yes, it’s amazing how all those constant severe lockdowns and mandatory mask wearing haven’t worked. Wouldn’t you think the government had worked that out by now’. I’ve not had one comeback. I just hope our government is paying attention.

348690 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Poppy, 20, #302 of 2354 🔗

I have played in football teams where the managers were cup chucking shouters. It works for a while but eventually you just switch off and ignore what they are saying. The problem is after screaming and shouting you have nowhere to go. You shout at everyone, even the ones doing the right thing and trying their best this is totally demotivating. The best managers use persuasion, motivation and use the raised voice infrequently to shock and motivate. The best managers prefer the quiet word. This government is only shouting, its treating us all like children, blaming all for perceived wrongs when the majority are complying. So now most people have stopped listening.

348712 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #303 of 2354 🔗

“treating us like children” – in a way, but a good parent will also realise that if you shout at your kids too often it quickly loses its effect.

348986 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to mattghg, 6, #304 of 2354 🔗

A bad parent will seek to undermine the spirit of their children and use them to extend and support their own identity.

349063 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #305 of 2354 🔗

I worked for a manager like that previously. Eventually I walked off the job and sent a resignation letter to head office outlining his abusive behaviour. His excuse was that he wasn’t shouting at me – only the other staff! The company gave me a job at another branch after the event.

348726 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Poppy, 7, #306 of 2354 🔗

“Blaming society makes it awfully easy for a person of weak character to shrug off his own responsibility for his actions.”— Stanley Schmidt

“He that hath liberty ought to kepe it wel, for nothyng is better than liberty.”
― William Caxton

349059 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Poppy, 7, #307 of 2354 🔗

There is a conspiracy theory doing the rounds that a food shortage in on the way globally – I could see only being allowed to shop once every two weeks coming and Boris encouraging the public to eat less to protect the NHS to cover up this event.

350073 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Poppy, 3, #308 of 2354 🔗

I have found this year that all my clients are totally pissed off with things. These are all people who gave the govt the benefit of the doubt last spring but have seriously have enough now. Thats why the government are sounding more desperate.

348370 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 9, #309 of 2354 🔗

The letter sent to the FBI may have been sent to the wrong three lettered organisation as the FBI technically have no jurisdiction outside of the USA. It is the CIA that has that honour. Also it should have been sent to MI6 in this country (although they know about it now anyway through this website).

348388 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to p02099003, 5, #310 of 2354 🔗

Yeah like the apparent seditious attempted coup at the capitol building. I some how think the vast amount of money & effort spent on surveillance spying on just about everyone the security agencies & the deep state would know if this was happening. People just have to face the fact socialism is rife throughout our institutions the communist enemy is attacking us from within not from the outside.

348994 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #311 of 2354 🔗

I thought Operation Gladio did away with socialism so as to grow a GM version – ie – without that quality of actual solidarity and support in love of life. Dangerous – that, under any guise. I’m being a bit provocative here but the protagonists here are global banking and corporate monopolism – not a rising tide of human beings seeking a better life.

348374 Edmund Mortimer, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 92, #312 of 2354 🔗

I walked the streets delivering anti-lockdown leaflets yesterday. I imagine nearly all of them were torn up as soon as they were picked up from the doormat, but I thought it was worth doing. I felt very nervous. It seems I am a coward. Perhaps somebody would call the police, I thought, or report me for doing something other than exercising while outdoors. At one point a woman rushed out of her house with the leaflet and gave it back to me, saying it was dangerous rubbish. Quite a number of people saw me stopping at every door and putting something through, but none of them said anything. I suspect they thought I was doing something ‘official’.

348377 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 50, #313 of 2354 🔗

A coward would not have gone ahead despite your concerns, Bravo Edmund.

348383 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 31, #314 of 2354 🔗

Good on you I don’t think these are the actions of a coward, very brave thing to do.

348396 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 21, #315 of 2354 🔗

What you’re doing is courageous. KBO.

348419 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 23, #316 of 2354 🔗

I think you’re quite the opposite of a coward. It’s normal to feel apprehension when going up against the biggest propaganda operation ever to hit these shores.

348435 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 20, #317 of 2354 🔗

Wear a hi viz jacket and you’ll look totally official.

348473 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 21, #318 of 2354 🔗

Very brave – and the fact that you HAVE to be “very brave” to put leaflets through people’s doors at the moment shows exactly how dire the situation is.

348524 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 17, #319 of 2354 🔗

Edward so did I, and like you, felt nervous. The climate wasn’t quite so bad last Monday when a woman called to me from her doorstep waving the leaflet. My heart sank- but it turned out that she was so relieved that someone thought the same as she did! Things have got more tense since then though. Glad to hear of another postie! Not seeing any posters going up in local windows, however.

348576 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 6, #320 of 2354 🔗

Bravery has many forms. You did well, good job.

348709 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 8, #321 of 2354 🔗

I’d like to award you my spike medal of action above and beyond the call. I satute you well done 🏅

350040 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 3, #322 of 2354 🔗

Excellent idea. And kudos for having the guts to go through with it.

I don’t know what you put on the leaflets, but I would keep it simple – maybe one leaflet with Chris Whitty’s statement about covid being harmless to the great majority (+youtube url to allow sceptics to check), another with two graphs combined: total fatalities cf Steve_w below and total ‘cases’ which should obviously show how much milder the disease is. Maybe some of the cartoons seen on this site – eg child torn away from Granny (assuming the cartoonist is OK with that) etc

348376 2 pence, 6, #323 of 2354 🔗

This film is based on a letter by an international team of professionals, researchers and activists, calling for an expedited investigation into scientific fraud in public health policies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB1Gphvlsm8&ab_channel=TheVeryOpinionatedKateWandShow

348381 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #324 of 2354 🔗

A.R. Norman…..That’s more like it.

Its an epidemic of leftist ideology from indoctrination centres i.e. schools & universities. We’ve allowed entitled comfortable middle class liberals to move politics to far left.

Trump happened because of the neo-liberal democrats not because of Trump! Brexit happened because of the neo-liberal EU not because of bigotry! Lockdowns happened because of a creeping new neo-liberal pseudo-socialism that has infiltrated every level of civil & public service coupled with an ever more increasing risk aversion to living.

Socialism = authoritarianism! It’s that ugly class war again & its not the working class demanding a socialist agenda, the liberal left have abandoned the poor for identity politics. The only thing of greater importance than the covid fraud in 2020 was the racist fraud, all the while comfortable middle class liberals who can afford lockdowns are creating a huge level of poverty that will grow for years into the future.

Covids legacy will be poverty, mitigation measures will likely cause greater damage to economy & society than climate change & we know who to blame.

348420 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #325 of 2354 🔗

I’m not sure I’ve ever read anything more ignorant. Neo-liberalism is defined as the most extreme form of capitalism, nothing whatsoever to do with the left. Can I recommend Oscar Wilde’s ‘The Soul of Man under Socialism’ in which he complains: “ Many of the socialistic views which I have come across seem tainted with ideas of authority.” The Socialism Wilde advocates is the Corbyn type ‘For the many, not the few’.

348468 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, #326 of 2354 🔗

Jesus put Marx’s communist manual down for a second. Do you understand what “ pseudo ” means?

I suggest you research communism aka an extreme form of socialism, socialism is a liberal middle class ideology, every socialist leader has been a middle class liberal! eg. Corbyn. Foot, stalin!

Nihilistic Neo-liberals have adopted a pseudo-socalist ideology to advance their agenda to destroy traditional conservative values which are the only thing standing in the way of their globalist power grab.

Do you honestly believe identity politics is an act of do gooders, that its just coincidence its the opposite of all traditional conservative values & traditions and strongest advocates are globalists? Its corporate socialism of the most evil kind, collectivism of all shades is insidious and counter to liberty.

The ignorance my friend is owned entirely by you, which indoctrination centre did you attend?

348385 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 36, #327 of 2354 🔗

I dispute the comment by Mr Barr that the public is on the governments side, just because an Opinium, IPSOS or YOUGOV poll says so. I suspect the internal polling the government is getting is telling them a different story. That they feel the need to ramp up fear, using Billy Whitty this morning (lying again about outdoor spread), have Police on the BBC threatening fines for law that doesn’t exist, same with supermarkets and muzzles, confirms this at least in my mind.

Keir Starmer needs to think again on his proposal to close nurseries. The numbers of vulnerable, or potentially vulnerable children is beyond what most would imagine. The welfare of toddlers should come above political games and nurseries play a massive role in many children’s safety. That guy is no good of that I have no doubt.

348848 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to nottingham69, 4, #328 of 2354 🔗

You could be right about the internal polling, and I hope you are. This situation does remind me a little of the run-up to the Brexit referendum. The opinion polls all showed Remain ahead, but the way that Cameron started acting more and more desperate suggested that (rightly) he didn’t believe them.

348387 NickR, replying to NickR, 8, #329 of 2354 🔗

Positive tests in London, despite doing 30% more tests now than, peaked on the 29th Dec.

348466 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to NickR, 4, #330 of 2354 🔗

Tier 4 worked then! Joking of course. I would say this suggests pressure on London hospitals should be peaking by now, but I’m not convinced it’s anything to do with covid specifically. Either way if fewer people are in with a positive test that’s good.

348392 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 23, #331 of 2354 🔗

at some point deaths from covid will have to max out at total deaths. you cant have more people dying of covid than actually die and deaths are currently about normal for the time of year

348412 ▶▶ PFD, replying to steve_w, 3, #332 of 2354 🔗

Steve, you are absolutely right on this.

I also think I owe you an apology because I misread a graph you showed yesterday. It was of R versus time. I think mistook the peak of the plot for when R = 1. I haven’t been back to check…but anyway keep up the good work.

348943 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to PFD, #333 of 2354 🔗

no worries!

348477 ▶▶ NickR, replying to steve_w, #334 of 2354 🔗

Can you add references & an explanation of 2SD & 3SD?

349054 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to NickR, #335 of 2354 🔗

SD: Standard Deviation. Mathematical measure of variation from predicted value.

349068 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to NickR, #336 of 2354 🔗

I explained a bit in a later post and reference

348395 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 30, #337 of 2354 🔗

Today’s blackboard howl of protest (note to Sarah Vine, mine’s genuine):

So, yet another assault on our hard-fought for liberties. Wake up and smell the coffee (in here!) before it is too late.

Just ask yourselves: Cui Bono ?

348399 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 3, #338 of 2354 🔗

Well said!!! Great LS message with a plug for your business.

Like it!

348401 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #339 of 2354 🔗

Thanks. Just as I was chalking on the ‘Wake up …’ bit, I thought why the hell not. Probably get a visit from the rozzers for my trouble.

348404 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to kh1485, 3, #340 of 2354 🔗

Love it!

348407 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to kh1485, 10, #341 of 2354 🔗

Wish I had a decent coffee shop like yours nearby, I’d visit every day!

348486 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 2, #342 of 2354 🔗

Cui bono? Is that the one which is half hot soya milk?

348492 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to bluemoon, 4, #343 of 2354 🔗

Ha ha (our only concession to the alt-milk brigade is the oat stuff!). I’m waiting for someone to ask what U2 has got to do with it!

348512 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 4, #344 of 2354 🔗

Took me a second or 2 to make the connection to U2! Duh!
Thumbs up for the oat stuff BTW, rather good with a strong coffee bean anyway.

348594 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to kh1485, 4, #345 of 2354 🔗

you should create one called.. wait for it….. the PICNIC

348647 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to vargas99, 1, #346 of 2354 🔗

That’s brilliant, thanks for that. Tomorrow’s board sorted.

348693 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to kh1485, 1, #347 of 2354 🔗

your welcome – let us know how it goes down with the sheeples

349447 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 1, #348 of 2354 🔗

Bravo on using oat milk only.

I am especially against almond milk since I learned about the environmental damage the almond industry in California does. And 80%os so of almonds come from there.

348402 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 25, #349 of 2354 🔗

Son just showing me a facebook comment from ambulance crews and their experiences in dealing with call outs to suicides.

Big ramp up in them this year from the past going from a few to double digits to 34 a week in their station and rising.

More collateral damage.

348411 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #350 of 2354 🔗

That ties in with the Tweet from the London Air Ambulance 2-3 months ago about the rise of call out to suicides that they were getting. A tweet that the Samaritans disgracefully rubbished.

348414 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #351 of 2354 🔗

I know of more people who committed suicide in the last year than of/with Covid.

348475 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #352 of 2354 🔗

Yes, me too. All anecdotal (thankfully I don’t personally know anyone who died), but I heard about one 85 year old who died of/with Covid. Suicides, I heard of three 20-somethings and two 40-somethings….

348447 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #353 of 2354 🔗

While I realise the OP is about Covid related suicide and the link below covers suicide related to bullying in schools, it is shocking to learn the UK Governmet refuses to collect data on child suicide. MPs, all of them (650 odd) have spurned the campaign to help protect children from suicide. The campaigners have had more support from overseas governments than our own MPs.

Are suicide figures in the general population collected by ONS?

“The UK Government’s scandalous cover-up of bullying, violence and suicide in schools”

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/uk-governments-scandalous-cover-bullying-violence-and-suicide-schools

This is a recent excellent in depth interview.

348855 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Awkward Git, #354 of 2354 🔗

Have you got a link? Those of us on social media could be hammering it with this message; it might cause some wavering among the “well we have to save lives” crew.

348403 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 28, #355 of 2354 🔗

The only groups near the beach this weekend, were in uniform.

The police have lost the respect of even their strongest supporters. Which could lead to something I haven’t seen discussed much, the potential for rising crime rates.
With a force that has lost credibility, rising poverty and an angry population, I can’t see a way in which this is avoided.

348417 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PoshPanic, 17, #356 of 2354 🔗

Certainly they’ve cried “wolf” so often as well. Using “cuts”, “poverty” and “racism” to explain why they couldn’t solve REAL crimes like grooming gangs, burglary, anti-social behaviour, knife crime, etc won’t wash with the public anymore.

It never washed with me in the first place.

348504 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #357 of 2354 🔗

“Credible and true.” Those were the words that lost the police my respect and support. But in a world where all that matters is WHAT I FEEL ABOUT STUFF, TWITTER, who cares about pettifoggery like the separation of powers?

348508 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #358 of 2354 🔗

Either way the police have lost all credibility now.

348748 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to PoshPanic, 12, #359 of 2354 🔗

Yes out walking my dog, waiting to cross on a zebra crossing the car that approached was a black BMW unmarked with two black shirted plain clothed goons inside. They drove onto the zebra crossing wound down the window and the fat one said. Don’t you know the rules about stay at home? I said, don’t you know the rules about fucking zebra crossings? We had a staring contest and he just drove off squeeling his tyres. Twat! I Don’t believe they understand the damage they are causing to their support.

349457 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #360 of 2354 🔗

You should have let your dog piss against their tyres.

348405 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 66, #361 of 2354 🔗

I will finally learn this afternoon whether I get the chop or not. My attitude is one of resignation but also of anger. Anger at the government for having needlessly destroyed lives leading to joblessness; bankruptcies; a tsunami of untreated illnesses, mental health issues, domestic violence and substance abuse. Anger at our fellow citizens for aiding and abetting all the regulations that are destroying lives. Anger at charities, organisations, family and friends for their lack of empathy and tone deafness. Anger at the medical profession for having forgotten the central tenet of their profession – first do no harm.

I could go on and the rumours of more restrictions are certain to push me over the edge even more. But I have not complied and certainly won’t be complying with them.

I will keep on fighting.

348413 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #362 of 2354 🔗

Hear, hear. Hope it goes OK Bart.

348415 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #363 of 2354 🔗

Good luck.

348418 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #364 of 2354 🔗

Fingers crossed

348540 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #365 of 2354 🔗

Thanks everyone!!!!

348437 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #366 of 2354 🔗

I feel exactly the same. Self-employed and I want to sack myself for incapacity… I don’t know how to keep going. Remember you have love and support from your community here. We can’t let the bastards win. Stay strong no matter what happens…

348443 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #367 of 2354 🔗

Keep everything crossed for you Bart, hope its not the chop.

348600 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #368 of 2354 🔗

May all the Life that is firing in you, serve your deepening commitment to what is wholly worthy of love, energy and attention and release the futility of giving it to that which currently cannot recognise or receive or hear you.
Staying with what we feel but not indulging or succumbing to it as our convicted reality.

348663 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #369 of 2354 🔗

Good luck!

348752 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #370 of 2354 🔗

Hope it goes OK mate

348837 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #371 of 2354 🔗

Let’s hope your worst fears are not realised. I got laid off in the first Lockdown and was on UC (a nightmare) but I survived it before I got this job. Good luck to you and your colleagues. I will say this, things aren’t as bad as they seem to be when you actually have to confront your fear of losing your job. Like you say, keep fighting the good fight. We all will.

348410 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #372 of 2354 🔗

Peak UK deaths every year is the second week of Jan (this week).

New daily infections peaked on 7th Jan (Zoe app)

If there is any solace, we are at peak shit this week then it all gets better. People can stop panicking, all the numbers start going down.

348428 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to steve_w, 1, #373 of 2354 🔗

But a prolonged cold snap may cause a blip.

348476 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to steve_w, 7, #374 of 2354 🔗

They are basing the LDs on fake tests and fake data (moving flu etc into CV 19). No end to the arse quackery they can deploy with fake data.

348539 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FerdIII, 13, #375 of 2354 🔗

And people have lost their common sense. A sniffle so instead of simply staying at home, resting and taking plenty of fluids & nourishing meals plus paracetamol if needed; they hotfoot it straight to the A&E where they get a test and surprise, surprise!

Memo to people: STOP GETTING TESTED!

348567 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #376 of 2354 🔗

I’ve kind of just stopped talking about things now. There is too much noise from PCR, overrunning the hospitals and depleting their resources, that I just don’t see any strength in people to discuss it. As soon as you seek to ask a clarifying question (“How many people are being treated for Covid-19?”), its red flag to a bull.

The desire for the vaccine now is also cemented. No rational dis cussion allowed. They think its the only ticket out of this.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/

348743 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #377 of 2354 🔗

“Where are the bodies?” is my goto now. All-Cause Mortality in line with previous years. Sweden and the Republic both in line even with different policies

348578 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #378 of 2354 🔗

I agree.I know a few people who have felt a bit under the weather and got tested.They then milk the sympathy on social media.Virtie signalling combined with hysteria.

348674 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #379 of 2354 🔗

Yep. I posted on here a couple of days ago that I’d got chatting to a stranger (I didn’t reveal my scepticism so that I didn’t influence her comments) and she divulged that her sister works at Warrington General Hospital and had confirmed in frustration that they were indeed busy, but it was because they were “inundated with people who a year ago would have stayed home and taken a paracetamol to self-medicate. Now they all think they are dying and we have to be seen to take them seriously”. So, confirming what you say!

348426 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 25, #380 of 2354 🔗

All should get the Fuck of Facebook and Twitter let the tech bastards know how you feel about the loss of free speech,if you need to use social media go over to Gab or Parler,Fuckerburg and that Dorsey cunt need teaching a lesson.

348431 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #381 of 2354 🔗

Can’t get into Gab right now so perhaps this is now happening (in greater numbers than they perhaps expected).

348434 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to kh1485, 6, #382 of 2354 🔗

I tried to sign up to Gab yesterday but it was so slow that I gave up. I’ll give it another go later.

348439 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #383 of 2354 🔗

I managed to sign up but it was really slow and kept crashing. Can’t even get in right now. Good news is Simon Dolan and James Delingpole also signed up.

348805 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #384 of 2354 🔗

Mrs TJN tried yesterday, and finally got on this morning. Had message saying they’ve had 600k people trying to get on his weekend, and they’re slapping server after server in to keep up with demand.

Fuck Twitter and Arsebook (not that I’m on there anyway).

348441 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to kh1485, 5, #385 of 2354 🔗

Gab is working but it’s very slow so you may have to be patient.

349483 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Ambwozere, #386 of 2354 🔗

Is it not on Apple store?

348446 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to kh1485, 7, #387 of 2354 🔗

Yes very big demand ten new servers coming on stream so you should be able to join soon.

348448 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #388 of 2354 🔗

Ta.

348515 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #389 of 2354 🔗

I just tried to log into Parler and the site is down. I read somewhere the platform has to be rebuilt and could take 7 days or so.
I am considering ditching my mobile phone and have been for a while. I only use it for its traditional use, and it is a bit of a dinosaur but I have no intention of spending thousands of dollars upgrading. I remember a time when we managed quite well without having these attached to our hands. I avoid taking it out with me wherever possible. I would like to think a coordinated ‘blackout’ on at least mobile phones could get the message across to these technocrats but I fear an attachment to these devices, by a large section of the population is almost an illness in itself. People can’t walk down the street without hanging on to them for goodness sake.

348621 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Girl down Under, 3, #390 of 2354 🔗

Great comment,as you say people appear to be totally addicted to there mobile phones particularly teenagers..yes Parler is rebuilding it’s server’s to become independent.

348624 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Girl down Under, 7, #391 of 2354 🔗
348685 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #392 of 2354 🔗

Be patient with GAB -they are under attack from all sides
Under the groups function there is one called “lockdown Sceptics” ready to go

348866 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #393 of 2354 🔗
348430 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #394 of 2354 🔗

Thanks LS! What a rollercoaster! Mid major meltdown after reading article one this morning… article two takes hold and a sense of calm descended over me. I privately declared, in April, that I suspected this was an ingenious act of war by the CCP. To see every thought I’ve had, every argument I’ve tried to make to brainwashed friends clearly laid out like that… gave me the chink of hope I need to get through today. The problem now becomes whether people simply say, “We don’t care, we want the communism.” People forget there were plenty in East Germans who loved it, who miss it, who would welcome it. I think back, now, to a podcast I heard earlier this year. Yuval Noah Harari interviewed by Sam Harris, in which he speculated that communism only failed because the technology did not exist to support an efficient centrally planned economy, but that now it does. I listened, then, and was fascinated by such a hypothetical concept. I missed the very obvious WARNING. This is a war. We have been forced into it. Choose your side.

348445 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 21, #395 of 2354 🔗

People don’t actually understand what freedom is, what underpins it and how fundamental it is to the human condition.

How many people do you know would have a philosophy book at home, of any kind?

How many people do you know would be able to tell you who Thomas Paine is? JS Mill? The Enlightenment?

How many do you know would say “I’m not into politics”?

We are there for the taking unfortunately, for now.

348480 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #396 of 2354 🔗

I heard of Thomas Paine for the first time this year. Trying to spread the word!

348618 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #397 of 2354 🔗

Come to Lewes, we can have a few pints in The Rights of Man’. Ooh, hang on …

348758 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to JohnB, #398 of 2354 🔗

JohnB, I am doing research on Thomas Paine. I sent you a DM through the “forum”.

348884 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #399 of 2354 🔗

Hi CNC. Which section of the forum please ?

348895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #400 of 2354 🔗

Never mind, found it. (Not used forum before. 🙂 ).

348579 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #401 of 2354 🔗

Find a relational respect established a communication channel.
people have been deliberately mis-educated and corporately managed in ways they may at some level intuit but cannot articulate or begin to free themselves from. Nor can this be done for them in sympathy or good intentions.
The key is a real relationship.
The use of relationships to get from – for a personal sense of vindication or profit – will always lose relational communication for some masking code or narratives that work to hide and evade the hated or feared.
Freedom from fear is not real if it merely casts our ‘sins’ or conflicts onto others to distance, deny and attack them there. Yet this has great attraction and appeal for those who are not ready to own and feel what they feel – and so must cast it way as if to get rid of it. Emotions are results from beliefs that the mind may not have any awareness of, and thus runs upon as ‘realities’ that are dissociated from relational freedom – which is being yourself – and being truly with what is here – or in the presence of Life.

Freedom at the body level, is where we lose identity to a mind locked down and distanced as ‘body’ – which you may notice can be transparent to joy in life or locked in pain and futility – not least according to the set of our mind.
Freedom is deeper than social agreements and definitions given power.
You do not die alone but that fear of separation kills you.
A key of covid to notice is that the fear of a thing can act as the belief in a thing and all power that You Are – be given it and suffered accordingly.
Freedom to choose fear is the freedom to choose not to use it as a basis from which to act or live, and this freedom cannot be thrust upon us. We have to truly want it. Death may seem to offer salvation from great fear, but at some level we are running away from ourselves, and will do so in one realm or another until we are released of a fundamental misidentification. No one else can let love’s honesty into your life.

348714 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #402 of 2354 🔗

Thomas Paine is? Or was.

349497 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #403 of 2354 🔗

I’ve had to stop listening to Sam Harris and sponsoring. Not challenging his pro-lockdown guests at all.

348433 BeBopRockSteady, 28, #404 of 2354 🔗

The meetings of the cabinet on this now appear to consist of anecdotes. “I saw a woman on a park bench. Sitting with someone clearly not in her bubble and no social distancing whatsoever. We should deploy the military.”

Its like handing the greatest power to the nations most ardent curtain twitchers

348444 captainbeefheart, 32, #405 of 2354 🔗

Dear The Police,

I liked your first album but I feel our relationship has now gone sour.

By enforcing these anti-human, insane, anti-scientific “laws”, you are:

  • Slowly killing your friends
  • Slowly killing your family
  • Destroying their businesses
  • Destroying the economy (which in turn will destroy the NHS)
  • Ruining your children’s future
  • Making life not worth living for everyone including yourselves

I hope you are proud of yourselves and feel very brave and virtuous for “just doing your job”.

You should have stuck to just recording reggae/pop fusion songs.

If we are still alive in a few years time, please remember that you will never be forgiven for this.

Yours with total contempt,

Captain

348449 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 10, #406 of 2354 🔗

The HART Team, a promising development:

https://twitter.com/MaximusBasileus/status/1348557039740596224

HART is a group of highly qualified UK doctors, scientists, economists and psychologists who use a strong and broad multidisciplinary evidence base to challenge the Government’s policies on tackling COVID-19.
We aim to provide politicians and the wider public with a credible second opinion .
We represent a broad range of disciplines with a wide range of individual evidence-based expert views.

348530 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Basileus, 4, #407 of 2354 🔗

They won’t listen, just as they haven’t listened for the last 10 months. Mass non-compliance is the only way, but I fully expect the sheeple to sauntering around (once a week) in masks outside after today.

348453 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 5, #408 of 2354 🔗

Just a reminder that I predicted a week ago that weekly deaths will have peaked by 16th January. So I forecast that weekly deaths will start to decline from either this week or next as that is what has happened in nine of the last ten years. So that won’t be known for a couple of weeks and then they’ll need to show a consistent drop for a couple of weeks more before any thought of loosening restrictions. That means full lockdown until March at the earliest.

348472 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Achilles, 7, #409 of 2354 🔗

15.000 dead 2018 2nd week in Jan from the normal flu.

We won’t be anywhere close to that level, 2nd week Jan 2021.

So why a LD??
500 dead yesterday from the flu? Average or below average for many years.

Any new NHS dance vids in empty hospitals? Always enjoy watching fat twerking nurses.

348793 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to FerdIII, 2, #410 of 2354 🔗

Notice they now only publish covid deaths and have stopped the total deaths. People think this is bad but have no idea that January is called death month because its normally the worse month for deaths. They claim covid is the number one killer, no I doubt it. So even the ons has been subscripted into telling lies.

348503 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Achilles, 1, #411 of 2354 🔗

No it means lockdown as the new normal, but once incorporated into technocratic and biotech systems of compliance, you will get all the freedoms the Chinese have – that is – as the State grants for compliance.

348525 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Binra, 1, #412 of 2354 🔗

That only works if Europe and America follow the same path. The restrictions would not be countenanced if France or Germany at the same time drop them and return to normal. The problem is they are all doing the same thing and are showing no propensity to change.

348546 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Achilles, 4, #413 of 2354 🔗

Because it is a worldwide coup

348513 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Achilles, #414 of 2354 🔗

March is optimistic. I am saying May before the message changes. But Zero Covid is now the goal. This is permanent in out shake it all about

348548 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #415 of 2354 🔗

It is optimistic but I’m talking about full lockdown. I agree that other measures will be on and off ad infinitum. The main problem is Easter.as they won’t want to loosen restrictions and then have crowds of people enjoying Easter plastered all over the tabloids so even if loosened in March then most in Tier 4 from then.

348774 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #416 of 2354 🔗

Dunno handjob said in an interview that zero covid cannot be an option. Has the SAGE way shifted?

348542 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Achilles, #417 of 2354 🔗

They have already legislated for lockdown until 31st March

348582 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to jonathan Palmer, #418 of 2354 🔗

The previous Tier regulations made mention of the Paris Olympics… in 2024.

348455 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 11, #419 of 2354 🔗

Can someone kindly tell me what has happened to Carl Heneghan? His data is still showing deaths only up to 6th December and we need him to repeat what he told the parliamentary committee: “When things are common sense, they still have an equal chance of harming or benefiting you and the quality evidence on cloth masks says they increase re-infection.” Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence-based Medicine, Oxford University.

348495 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Bungle, #420 of 2354 🔗

The benefits to the maintaining of the ‘dance’ following the ‘hammer’ are deemed far more important than whether people degrade their brain function, and mental and physical health. (Referring to information in https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger )

348500 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Bungle, 2, #421 of 2354 🔗

He’s probably been taken to a quarantine facility after testing positive for covid-19, and needs to be socially distanced from the community.
unfortunately if his situation deteriorates we may not hear from him again.

349130 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bungle, #422 of 2354 🔗

He has disappeared unfortunately, I wonder is it because of their vaccine? Don’t rock de boat Carl?

348457 JanMasarykMunich, 8, #423 of 2354 🔗

Suggested letter to MPs (apart from the 16)

Dear X, Do you support the Chinese Communist Party?

If not, please explain why have you voted for its policies. (Or — for the abstainers — why you have failed to oppose its policies.)

And refer them to letter quoted above.

348459 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #424 of 2354 🔗

If the arrest of the woman on the park bench turns out to be a stunt by anti lockdown protestors I’d just like to say to them: thanks for nothing. Like we aren’t already trying to push a boulder up a mountain. When respected scientists are accused of disinformation in the MSM can we not shoot ourselves in the foot?

Frankly there is more then enough police brutality and overreach going on in the real world without the need to fake it.

348489 ▶▶ Binra, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #425 of 2354 🔗

There is no limit to the capacity of deceit to operate in the minds of those who succumb.
IE: The belief one has to use ’emotive leverage’ in order to ‘impact’ a narrative control.
Or the setting up of double false flags.

So what we give attention to is a bit like feeding fire when it is not recognised in the heart or verified as corroborated information. The WISH or FEAR that something be true or conversely denied truth operates the mind of deceit. Once we invest by our reactions we become a part of the confusions set in denial of a true account.

348491 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 7, #426 of 2354 🔗

What is meant by ‘fake it’? If they were fake police I 100% agree with you. If the protesters were simply intentionally pushing the envelope while remaining within it then the police treatment was well over the top and quite possibly illegal. Dorset Police procedures involving the use of handcuffs are very clear and this was a breach.

348494 ▶▶ Basics, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #427 of 2354 🔗

Wouldn’t agent provocateurs pull such a stunt. Wouldn’t take to many committee meetings to dream up such a ploy to discredit the idea of lockdown sceptics. I have witnessed freaks being at protests with weird placards. When I say Freaks I mean extremely oddly made- up faces and clothes, alone with Q slogan. They then walk to a point in the crowd across from press photographers and bob is your uncle front page of the local rag.

It not just democrats that play the provocateur game, mi5 type folk are just marvels at it too.

348602 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #428 of 2354 🔗

Surely the only ‘fake’ (more like omission) was not saying it came about because of a protest ?

349511 ▶▶ dhid, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #429 of 2354 🔗

The (real and genuine) police “reaction” was to being effectively “Audited” by some perfectly normal anti-lockdown protesters, who demonstrated their right, as free-born citizens, to challenge the stupidity of a “rule” preventing them sitting on a seaside bench and drinking coffee. They posed no risk whatsoever to other members of the public.

Dorset police have “previous” for such stupid (and illegal) activity when they moved an elderly man from a bench in the first “lockdown”.

Sadly no-one in that organisation has the intelligence to realise that treating the rights of the public to act entirely lawfully with contempt is a public relations disaster.

Unless people stand up for those rights, quite legally even if deliberately, to test the police, then I respectfully suggest it won’t be long before we can’t even discuss such things.

Your choice.

Btw – back in the Summer when we were, allegedly, free, there was a beach hut fire from a stove which took hold, and with a brisk onshore wind spread to vegetation on the cliff face and moved rapidly to the top and a road with cars. Fortunately because of the swift response of Fire and Rescue it got no further.

During this, Dorset police rightly got people to move back along the promenade for safety.
Unfortunately some fool also thought it wise to put PCSOs and officers onto the beach right down to the waters edge – the tide was quite far out – to stop people leaving the beach by moving along to a safer place to do so – they are utter cretins frankly. This is an accurate account, as I was there at the time.

348460 Binra, 6, #430 of 2354 🔗

I found last night
https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger
and am pleased to see these findings as a main article toady.
Acts of war are more understandable than acts of mindless self-destruction.
There may be a context for the understanding of China.

The evidence for China actively pushing the mind-control agenda is to my mind far too strong to be dismissed as Sinophobic or diversionary tactic.
However, willingness to go along with it is in effect the betraying of our own culture and traditions – such as we still have them – for a top down technocracy of ‘incentivised’ compliance.

The preparation of the mind for such a takeover has been long prepared and would not seem at all to fit to a Chinese ‘plan’ but is well documented as the rise of the global monopolist and transhuman social engineering of a corporate technologism – always reined in and directed by financial control that effective captured its own regulators long ago, as the ability to fund and defund what ideas and endeavour grows and what does not.

The use of fear as control via narrative seems to be a sophisticated technological development masking over more overt barbarism such as drawing and quartering and heads on spikes – but has the liability of total psychotic dissociation as an insanity that effectively possesses or paralyses the mind.
The contemplation of evils done in the name of caring is deeply disturbing and the minds of many recoil rather than even allow the question to be asked.

I have little doubt that beneath appearances are deep and pervasive breakdown of Economy and indeed of capacity for integrative communication. To my mind a ‘control Economy’ or indeed Control agenda – period – is the nature of the driver of chaos in the system at all levels – including and especially the resort to using fear as the means to organise and control human thought and behaviour. Fear is hateful – and hate generates more fear. The undoing of fear calls on spiritual resources that a ‘control agenda’ must deny and suppress to be able to persist under a mask of ‘virtue’.

Part of the spiritual willingness is of looking on horror without recoil, as the willingness to free our mind of the spell that frames in evasion, while ruling from the shadows as ‘ unknown or denied fears’ that our minds are then predicated to ‘keep us safe from’ – by means that cannot more than redistribute and bubble off from elements of our experience that are then masked out and distanced from as if to have ‘escaped’ by narrative identity.

The cost to freedom is a loss of honesty and entrapment in a socially defined ‘identity’ made in and of fear.

348463 Fingerache Philip, 5, #431 of 2354 🔗

Wankcock to address the nation tonight.
“OH, BE STILL, MY BEATING HEART”.
With apologies to the romantic poets.

348464 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 20, #432 of 2354 🔗

inspired by Northumberland Nomad post earlier

feeling pretty down today – I grew up in a dictatorship and Britain has given me a home – the democracy and freedom that Britain used to stand for is now a distant memory and I fear that it may never fully return

348493 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #433 of 2354 🔗

Excellent – will share. I really think this is the way to go using emotive images to counter the government’s psyops.

348551 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #434 of 2354 🔗

Police and NHS having a dance off

348587 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 5, #435 of 2354 🔗

Die at home. Save the NHS. Or maybe just get the military to kill a bunch of people.

349306 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Aslangeo, #436 of 2354 🔗

Excellent!!!

348465 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 25, #437 of 2354 🔗

Looks like the Antichrist has shown himself today, and indeed he wears a familiar retched face. If there’s any truth to the rumours, we’re utterly done for.

Tony Blair is said to be now ‘advising’ Madcock on the vaccination programme. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9131161/The-return-Tony-Blair-Ex-Labour-leader-prime-minister-advising-Matt-Hancock-vaccines.html

I’m going to say it openly right here – I’m terrified of the vaccination programme. My fear now seems well placed with this evil individual involved.

348470 ▶▶ Basics, replying to J4mes, 8, #438 of 2354 🔗

Globalists are unhappy with the standard of hancocks ‘effort’. His fake tears, fake effort and smug dupers delight have been spotted by overlords as ineffective.

He has no friends now, what a lonely wretch he has made himself.

348484 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Basics, 6, #439 of 2354 🔗

Indeed, the reasoning in the DM article is that Madcock is underperforming and they want to speed up the vaccine programme. Guaranteed, the next ‘u-turn’ we’ll see is the vaccine becoming compulsory.

348798 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to J4mes, 1, #440 of 2354 🔗

There will be massive legal cases if it becomes compulsory and people will win them. I thought the Vaccination Tsar so to speak was responsible for the roll out. I understand there are currently serious logistical problems around distribution which it is expected the Army will help to improve. Let’s see.

348474 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to J4mes, 4, #441 of 2354 🔗

What the fuck has it got to do with bliar….oh yeah, he is a globalist puppet

348506 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to stefarm, 6, #442 of 2354 🔗

He’s the most affective puppet we’ve seen in the public domain.

I’ve just read from a reliable source that Farage supports the return of Blair – if this is the case, it shows Farage was always fake opposition after all.

348566 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to J4mes, 3, #443 of 2354 🔗

It’s all a puppet show, at least he will get his DNA database and roll out chrislam.

A dangerous man.

348681 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to stefarm, 3, #444 of 2354 🔗

Indeed it’s true that Farage supports the return of Blair:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/nigel-farage-calls-for-tony-blair-to-become-uks-vaccination-tsar/

It’s also simmering to the surface that Brexit is itself being used to further the Great Reset / Agenda 21/30.

348481 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to J4mes, 7, #445 of 2354 🔗

Don’t be scared, be angry, very angry.
These scum aren’t injecting their trans humanist agenda into me.

What they hope to achieve by having Blair have a share in the fun is beyond my understanding. The internationalist cabal must still think he’s a pretty straight sort of guy

348717 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Bill Grates, 4, #446 of 2354 🔗

My anger is not reserved for those openly driving this tyranny, it is also for the fake opposition. Those high-profile personalities who have carried the anti-lockdown argument have spent 9 months ignoring that this is an agenda, instead trying to make us believe it is a mistake, it is a cock-up, it’s an exercise on saving-face.

All this has done is sent the anti-lockdown camp in a vicious circle, chasing our own tails. It has done utterly NOTHING to stop this global crime. That’s how fake opposition works and they’ve succeeded it would seem.

348808 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to J4mes, 3, #447 of 2354 🔗

Yep Comrade Dictator Starmer isn’t interested in any opposition to this Government. He has said on several occasions that he is in discussions/meetings with Witless, Unbalanced and Pantsdown every day. Yet another moron who can’t think for himself or take advice from a broader range of professionals. He’s just as bad as Johnson et al.

More worringly he has said that this year he’s going to focus on the NHS and the Economy. This plank of wood with hair will have absolutely nothing to say about either that is of any use. He’ll just toe the establishment line.

349311 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #448 of 2354 🔗

If people still don’t see how Labour have long betrayed the working people in this country through Labour’s lack of opposition and Starmer wanting harder lockdowns then we’re doomed.

348528 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to J4mes, 6, #449 of 2354 🔗

Tony Blair is the globalists messenger boy.How on earth is this discredited buffoon allowed to advise anyone

348557 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to J4mes, 3, #450 of 2354 🔗

Who is this Tony Blair? If you mean the WAR CRIMINAL Tony Blair then please make it clear.

348588 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to J4mes, 7, #451 of 2354 🔗

If they’re wheeling out (the war criminal !) Blair, they’re very desperate. Everybody knows what an utter scrote he is, everybody.

348667 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to J4mes, 2, #452 of 2354 🔗

Must be a cottage industry for Blair to get involved

348469 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #453 of 2354 🔗

I hate to be negative.. cos it is magick.. it has power..

But I don’t believe the government will ever release us. And if they don’t.. I don’t believe people will revolt either.. we will just be like the North Koreans or East Germans.

Anyhoo.. new Delingpod with Ivor Cummins…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-yNlkUR5n0

348487 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to chaos, 31, #454 of 2354 🔗

I hope you are wrong. It seems to me that the silent majority are voting with their feet. People reported out and about in large numbers at the weekend. This is what’s scaring the government. They cannot police the numbers that look to be no longer truly convinced. We just need to hold our nerve.
They want to ramp up the fear to get us all vaccinated but it’s unravelling. That’s my fervent hope.

348523 ▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to WasSteph, 4, #455 of 2354 🔗

That’s it in a nutshell. It’s glaringly obvious. They must think we’re all too stupid to realise it. (Most of the sheep are of course).

348560 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to WasSteph, 4, #456 of 2354 🔗

I hope that’s right. It’s been deliberately timed for the winter, while people are less likely to want to get out and about and many will stay at home, worrying and becoming fearful, and ready to do anything to be free. People are more optimistic in the spring and summer and it’d more difficult to herd and corral them.
When people speak of smelling a rat – that’s what it is. A Race Against Time.

348788 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to WasSteph, 4, #457 of 2354 🔗

It is unravelling that’s why the massive scale propaganda keeps being ramped up every day and the lies about deaths getting even greater. They’ve got this magic date of 5th April 2021 to lift all the restrictions I believe. I wonder what it is about that date and what they hope to achieve before reaching it. Because really, they are not achieving anything they seem to be running around like headless chickens and haven’t got a clue what they are doing. Likewise, they have backed themselves into a corner by all the lies they have told and they don’t know how to get out of it. What we know for sure is that there is no planning going on here because no thought is put into any decisions or actions it’s all ‘on the back of a fag packet’ off the hoof decision making, they haven’t even drawn up an exit strategy for God’s sake.

348499 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to chaos, 7, #458 of 2354 🔗

Don’t forget the economic angle.

If our standard of living dropped to the level of East Germany or North Korea, how would people react?

Goods don’t just magically appear on shelves – they have to be produced and paid for.

348790 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to rockoman, 1, #459 of 2354 🔗

I hate to say this but it has dropped dramatically following ten years of Tory Governments.

349188 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Dominich, #460 of 2354 🔗

Not the slightest reason to believe the available supposed alternative would have made any positive difference to that, of course (arguably the contrary). But we would certainly still be part of the developing European superstate, and we would certainly be much less free, and much more bound by pc dogmas and ideology.

Which is not to say the “Conservative” governments have been good. Imo the political alternatives available to us have been either bad, or worse

349650 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to rockoman, #461 of 2354 🔗

Queuing for a coffee yesterday it’s clear that customer service, or any sense that we are customers, has gone completely. Shopping is now a grim experience. Perhaps like waiting for a state ration parcel.

348471 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #462 of 2354 🔗

Bad shit coming. This only goes one way.

348483 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #463 of 2354 🔗

You still need to imagine the opposite in your mind.. sounds like ju ju.. but isn’t.

348496 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 15, #464 of 2354 🔗

This is not about health. How many have died in the LD’s?? Estimates vary between 25.000 and 45.000. How many have really died from CV 19? Maybe 20-25.000 given that the avg age of death is 81 with 2 underlying conditions and all the data fraud they commit.

LD Dead: 45.000 / 9 months or 270 days = 166 / day
CV Dead: 25.000 / 9 months or 270 days = 93 /d
CV Data fraud dead: 80000/270 = 297 / d

Anyway you look at it, the LD’s are murdering people + destroying civil/economic society and this is just as great a health menace as CV.

Why aren’t these retards looking at LD dead if this is about health and safety???

348544 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to FerdIII, 1, #465 of 2354 🔗

They’re not, because it isn’t.

348502 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 31, #466 of 2354 🔗

These deranged sociopaths won’t stop until we’re individually locked up in a cupboard or closet! In an astonishing display of arrogance and stupidity, it does not occur to these maniacs to *question the efficacy of lockdown*! They simply *assume* its efficacy, even in the teeth of evidence of its disastrous, monstrous effects, and thus continue to enforce it/beg the question while at the same time continuing to brutalise the public. There is no question that these people belong in jail. Utter scum.

348538 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to common conservative, 5, #467 of 2354 🔗

You seem to suggest that they don’t know what they’re doing – that this is a result of incompetence, or a blind indifference. I only wish I thought so too.
It’s having to accept that our ‘leaders’ don’t have our well being at heart that is utterly demoralising and, frankly, frightening.

348550 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Banjones, 6, #468 of 2354 🔗

I said about a week ago, that they will double down by the day now, and they are doing. It’s accelerating at a frightening rate, they simply must get their own way, at whatever cost.

348552 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #469 of 2354 🔗

You were spot on, and this will accelerate and intensify for the next few months. There are plenty more weapons for the state to unleash. Even fervent lockdown/mask/vaccine zealots are going to start feeling some pain soon.

348584 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Banjones, 8, #470 of 2354 🔗

I’m saying they are sociopaths. They are deranged, arrogant and stupid. These are perfectly compatible.

348511 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 40, #471 of 2354 🔗

“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.”
George Orwell, 1984

I don’t know about anyone else, but increasingly over the last year, I’ve felt nothing but this boot stamping on my face. Every time I think to myself that they couldn’t possibly take anything else from us, they dream up more ways to torture the population.

The future is looking very bleak. I used to have things to look forward to; I was lucky enough to get married one week before the lockdown on March 23rd without all the stupid restrictions. Turns out, that was the last time I experienced any semblance of a normal life. Our honeymoon was cancelled, and there’s no indication on when we can actually do something meaningful for it.

We want to plan for starting a family but I genuinely feel like I don’t want to bring a child into this madness. I know I’m one of the lucky ones with a job and a roof over my head. I try to stay positive and focus on other things, but this regime want to take everything that makes life meaningful away from us – permanently. I started out last year with so much hope for the future – I was getting ready to get married, full of plans for our future. That has all been taken away from us, with no sign of getting it back. Now we can’t leave the house without it being “essential”.

I never thought I’d ever become this depressed after previously being quite an optimistic person.

348522 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Elenesse, 4, #472 of 2354 🔗

Imagine this government – together with any so called opposition – locking you down… forever.

348536 ▶▶ danny, replying to Elenesse, 15, #473 of 2354 🔗

Always thought the more vital book was Brave New World, in depicting a totalitarian state where the people don’t need threats because they don’t even realise it is happening. An Orwellian state has a visible enemy. However, we now seem to have an amalgam of the two. Dire threats and police overreach, applauded by a majority who don’t see the big deal.

348756 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to danny, 3, #474 of 2354 🔗

I agree. On balance, I think I would be either a prole or in the ‘savages’ world. Definitely wouldn’t want to tow the Party line in a cushy job!

348547 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Elenesse, 13, #475 of 2354 🔗

this regime want to take everything that makes life meaningful away from us – permanently

At least you can see through the lies. For your marriage’s sake I hope your spouse is on the same page. There will be many in similar circumstances to you who genuinely believe that everything will get back to normal this year. Their pain and suffering will be many times greater when this does not happen.

348596 ▶▶▶ Elenesse, replying to Richard O, 15, #476 of 2354 🔗

I saw through the lies from the very beginning. My husband is not a full on sceptic like I am but he is beginning to see the writing on the wall at least. He’s never been an advocate of putting our lives on hold for the sake of a virus, so it’s never been the cause of too much tension between us.

I wonder how those people who believe that this will all be over after a vaccine will react when they continue the restrictions? Because they will. Evil regimes are not known to give freedoms back willingly.

348573 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Elenesse, 14, #477 of 2354 🔗

If you do start a family, Elenesse, make it clear to your kids that government has no place telling them when they can or cannot leave the house. 🙂

349336 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Elenesse, 3, #478 of 2354 🔗

Mr Bart and I made a decision early on that we couldn’t afford to have any children and at the way things are going, we are thankful that we don’t have any little Barts around. I would have seen myself as violating the Geneva Convention.

If you and your husband are wanting to start family, greater responsibilities will fall on our shoulders to ensure that any future children you will have can think and stand up for themselves and not succumb to pressure.

348516 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 13, #479 of 2354 🔗

If, tonight, Wancock says there is a new virus, that comes from the moon, and is spread by diesel cars, the pleblic will lap it up. When he says you must give up your diesel car and have your first-born gassed ‘to save our NHS’, they will queue up…

348545 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #480 of 2354 🔗

Let them. It’s us I’m concerned about.

349379 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Sam Vimes, #481 of 2354 🔗

Pay tribute to Morloch.

348517 richmond, replying to richmond, 35, #482 of 2354 🔗

Some friends of mine and I used to drink in a pub where there was a group of men who used to rob banks. Or possibly still did, they were a little vague about that. We didn’t drink together much, but we got on quite well. So not exactly model citizens.

But if they were running the country, I cannot imagine for a moment that they would have prevented people from holding the hand of their dying father or mother, or forced children to wear masks at school, or closed anyone’s business down, or had people arrested for sitting on a bench in a park or going for a walk in the countryside.

The people we have now are worse than criminals.

348574 ▶▶ chaos, replying to richmond, 3, #483 of 2354 🔗

I have known thieves and drug dealers who love animals… do you think Boris really loves his dog or kids? Maybe he does.. maybe he doesn’t.

348519 TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 18, #484 of 2354 🔗

A few weeks ago one of the Three Stooges (I think it was Whitty) said that society would have to decide what level of risk it was prepared to accept from the virus.
What we are seeing now with people bending the rules and stretching guidance to its elastic limit is society working out that level of risk. Just not in the way he intended. He meant it should be a big-state, technocratic government decision, but the demos is deciding for itself, working it out little by little. There will be ups and downs, progress and reversals but, as I’ve said a number of times before on here, people’s humanity will prevail.

It’s the government’s worst nightmare because the house is now burning and their whole policy to date has basically been to shout “Fire!” and hope for the best, instead of ensuring Matilda’s house was fire-proofed for winter.

348534 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 25, #485 of 2354 🔗

Fuck the government. They are in open rebellion against the people and must be put down like the rabid dogs they are.

348520 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 12, #486 of 2354 🔗

I just came straight to the comments after I saw the headline. I felt I needed to reassure myself that I’m not alone before I have to face knowing what punishment is in store for us now.

348531 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Banjones, 9, #487 of 2354 🔗

You’re not alone.

348529 jos, replying to jos, 13, #489 of 2354 🔗

Where this is going is terrifying and seems unstoppable- are the government complicit in the imminent destruction of this country or are they being threatened to do what they’re doing? Why doesn’t any politician speak out against this (anonymously here for example) and tell us where all of this is going because I fear for our future and we have to resist!

348562 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to jos, 5, #490 of 2354 🔗

They’ve declared war on us (the people). Why on Earth would they tell us anything that would/might help us ?

348565 ▶▶ chaos, replying to jos, 9, #491 of 2354 🔗

You’ve heard the politicians speak on talkRadio and elsewhere. Most are thick as shit. The HoP has been bypassed by a filthy man who never should have been made PM… and the old guard have all been sidelined and relegated to the backbenches.. the front bench dream team are all on the Davos choo choo…

348646 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to jos, 3, #492 of 2354 🔗

Allegedly this was leaked by an insider from the Canadian government:
https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this-leaked-memo-really-trudeaus-covid-plan-for-2021-you-decide/

Of course, it’s impossible to verify… but if Sunak starts talking about UBI in the Spring then I’ll start to really worry.

348742 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to jos, 9, #493 of 2354 🔗

TBF I think Johnson, Gove and Wancock are in the grip of three, quite frankly, deranged Scientists. Whilst the rest of the world including Europe are getting back to normal we are the only country in the world that has this alleged mutant variant running rampant, nobody else has. We are the only country in the world that is pumping out industrial levels of propaganda, fake news and lies to create a perpetual state of fear. I have relatives who live in Austria and they don’t have these industrial levels of fear mongering. In fact, it isn’t even the main topic in the news.

With a disastrous Brexit deal that is going to h ave a major impact on this country which will see sharp rises in food prices, fuel etc which people can ill afford, a forecast of 8m people on UC by mid to late Summer and a Government that doesn’t seem to give a damn about the economy at all or that even has a Cost Benefit Analysis or an exit plan out of this, we are f****d truly because of a grossly incompetent Prime Minister and his cabal and three deranged scientists.

If they were sensible, they would remove restrictions such as masks and social distancing and ask the public to act responsibly. I think a lot of the public would still wear masks but at least people would be invited to take responsibility for their own ‘safety’. They are in full Dictatorship mode now only they haven’t thought that through either because they don’t think about anything and have zero analytical skills and don’t care.

348532 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #494 of 2354 🔗

Can somebody tell me what the news is please.I cannot bear putting the Mainstream media on?

348553 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #495 of 2354 🔗

Millwall are going to win the cup

348558 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to stefarm, 1, #496 of 2354 🔗

Jesus has returned to the earth.

348592 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to chaos, #497 of 2354 🔗

TBF more chance of seeing that than Millwall winning the cup but then again the way this charade is playing oit I fully expect an alien invasion (which will be a cgi mind fuck for the plebs)

Has anyone seen the project blue beam from Seattle nye

https://youtu.be/q3ozXnI8mDw

348601 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to stefarm, 2, #498 of 2354 🔗

I fancy Chorley myself……they have the best celebrations…no social distancing…lots of spitting and singing………….

348610 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to stefarm, 2, #499 of 2354 🔗

From your mouth to Gods ears. We are playing like shit so very much doubt it but we can only hope. NOLU!

348622 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Thomas_E, #500 of 2354 🔗

At least Leeds lost

348556 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #501 of 2354 🔗

Boris has declared himself King. And he will be taking more wives. Princess Nut Nut is going to ban plastic. Babies are to be vaccinated against covid.

348571 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #502 of 2354 🔗

Nothing has changed. The vast majority of the public continue to lap up any and all destructive shit that the government throw at them. Then they beg for more.

348607 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #503 of 2354 🔗

I sense there is a shift in public opinion?…the battle is moving our way I feel……

348722 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #504 of 2354 🔗

I feel that too. I don’t go by any of these polls because it’s not what I’m hearing out here, quite the opposite actually.

348655 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #505 of 2354 🔗

That’s fine – you never get the news from the mainstream media anyway. Only propaganda,

348535 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #506 of 2354 🔗

The people and the dictatorship are heading for a showdown

What next? Internment?

That worked really well last time they used it

348549 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cecil B, 7, #507 of 2354 🔗

Well.. they got away with starving the old of company.. and they put masks on kids at school.. and then they stopped school.. and exams.. and pubs.. and jobs..

348541 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 6, #508 of 2354 🔗

Putting my Cabinet Minister’s hat on in the brain storming session:

“PM, we need to introduce rationing in the Supermarkets. Each individual in a household is only entitled to buy one pre packed box of essential items. The ration card to be produced, on each visit and track and traced on the Ration App.”

A logical extension will be only those who have been vaccinated will receive their ration box, with the slogan

NO VAX NO FOOD

348559 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PatrickF, 3, #509 of 2354 🔗

You are a visionary. This is coming.

348629 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to PatrickF, 3, #510 of 2354 🔗

And paying for your rations will be cashless. So if you buy something the government don’t like you buying say 2 bottles of wine one will be normal price the other will have an additional surcharge. By going cashless they can tax you at source.

349373 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Smelly Melly, #511 of 2354 🔗

There will be no access to funds if you hold the wrong opinions.

348543 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 41, #512 of 2354 🔗

Start of another depressing week. Latest news….abandoning May elections. You couldn’t make this up. I thought we lived in a free country? Obviously not.
If 12 odd million vaccinated in a little more than a month, how on earth can they justify holding us as prisoners for month after month after month. Now saying about wearing a mask if outside, so suck up the fresh air through a rag ! Only going out once a week – well the dog will love that ! How on earth did we end up with these complete t**ts running the country? We saw how useless the politicians were for years while putting their own views ahead of their constituent’s during Brexit, now we have these morons ruling like some kind of despot state with zero controls. So much for the Conservative committee that were going to take back control from the buffoon and have done nothing, utterly useless. They have done nothing. The leader of the opposition just wants more rules, more lockdown. Lets make it harder and worse so I can look like the Big Man and I am harder than the idiot running the country.
Utterly useless. Mind you, we may as well cancel the elections as who the hell would you vote for? Conservatives (who I always vote for, but swear I never will again) pathetic and out of control, Labour would be even worse and want more rules and lockdown, Liberal…heard nothing from them, but likely as bad. Reform UK? Could be the only option.
Cannot really put into words how much I hate our Government, like I say, life long Tory voter, but hate them. Useless.
If someone pointed out to them that 1650 people a day die in England and Wales, every day, every week, every year, maybe they would see sense? Every major cause of death is down every month, as a percentage stuck as Covid. Just madness. In the past 8 weeks, official ONS stats, only 2600 people have died more than the first 8 weeks of 2020. 2600 !!! Just over 300 a week from 60 million. Madness.
A power trip from idiots. Save the NHS, clap clap clap. Where is the plan to increase capacity by 40% over the next 5 years? Where is the plan to build far more care homes and sheltered housing to help an aging population? Just spend billions so people can sit at home watching Netflix before they lose their job in a few months time.
Rant over. Have a good day !!!

348595 ▶▶ jb12, replying to John Ballard, #513 of 2354 🔗

Every major cause of death is down every month, as a percentage stuck as Covid

Do you have a source for this claim? I was looking at the Scottish data just there, and only death by respiratory illness is down (~1100 people this year); the rest – cancer, dementia, heart attacks etc.- are at normal levels.

348628 ▶▶▶ John Ballard, replying to jb12, 4, #514 of 2354 🔗

Yep official ONS stats, latest release is November, new ones 18th January. Versus the 5 year average in November, top 10 causes of death, Covid top now…dementia down, heart disease down, flu halved. This is the link if it works;
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020#leading-causes-of-death

348660 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to John Ballard, 1, #515 of 2354 🔗

Ah, the monthly data? Thanks. I was looking at the weekly and couldn’t see it. I did notice that on the weekly data they have a bar graph showing deaths involving Covid and another for respiratory illnesses. The bars were coloured differently to signify whether the respective illness was contributory to death or the cause of death. Of course, the Covid deaths were all caused by Covid while the respiratory illnesses were mostly contributory. More sleight of hand.

348778 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Ballard, replying to jb12, 1, #516 of 2354 🔗

yes only a monthly one for that data. Weekly you are right, die of covid and its covid, die from flu and you die of something else.

348832 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John Ballard, 2, #517 of 2354 🔗

Remember – the ONS is only reporting what it gets from the NHS and PHE.

… and clearly what we are seeing is the distortion in mortality causation that John Lee first wrote about in the Spectator back in April.

Anyone but a gormless idiot would know that the proportions as presented are total garbage.

349366 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Ballard, replying to RickH, #518 of 2354 🔗

millions of them about unfortunately and would seem to be a qualification to be part of the government

348715 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to John Ballard, 2, #519 of 2354 🔗

Excellent rant though!

348561 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #520 of 2354 🔗

We are having a huge second wave

We have the usual NHS seasonal incompetence, but added to that is the incompetence of Whitty, Mandy and the Pig Dictator

This has led to huge second wave of incompetence

348615 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 8, #521 of 2354 🔗

50% increase in mortality overnight around here.
Went up from 2 to 3 in an NHS Region of 1.8m souls.

348639 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 2, #522 of 2354 🔗

Stay in. Stay Safe

348781 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to karenovirus, 2, #523 of 2354 🔗

Its your own fault, didn’t that nice Mr Hancock tell you to stay home and starve to death instead (mentally or physically whichever comes first).

348772 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cecil B, 2, #524 of 2354 🔗

Only the second wave of incompetence?
Surely it is more than that.

348569 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 9, #525 of 2354 🔗

the letter and supporting documents sent to the FBI, MI5 et al started me thinking and I am definitely coming round to the notion that the CCP are behind all this (not the Chinese people themselves who haven’t got a scooby what’s being done to them let alone us). In fact I suspect we have been unknowingly at war with the CCP for years. It’s not a war that will be fought with guns or soldiers but technologically, politically and economically. Actually, there may be a situation when boots on the ground are used, that’s when the CCP invade Russa and India – the only two nations in the world with the manpower to threaten them.

348609 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to vargas99, 2, #526 of 2354 🔗

I knew it would come to something like this when Nixon the crook started opening up China in cahoots with war criminal Kissenger and said so some years ago comparing it to the mistake of US Commander Perry in Japan in the 1850s.

349371 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 1, #527 of 2354 🔗

Proconsul Harris kowtowing to Emperor Xi worries me more.

349343 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to vargas99, 1, #528 of 2354 🔗

The UK with all the draconian measures/lockdowns has become extremely weak/poor and will not be able to ‘fight back’ well

348572 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 5, #529 of 2354 🔗

Just listening to Talkradio. The usual Government ad came on BUT I’m sure it said “If you have to go out, cover your face”. Nothing about being in a supermarket or on a bus. Yikes.

348583 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to arfurmo, 15, #530 of 2354 🔗

If you have to go out, cover your disgusting face in shame you fucking slave. You are scum. You are vermin. We hate you. And soon we will kill you.

348605 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Richard O, 12, #531 of 2354 🔗

You forgot to add: Now clap like a fucking seal for the NHS! CLAP I SAID !!! Build, Back, Better!

348889 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Richard O, 1, #532 of 2354 🔗

But they are doing it for our own good.

348585 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to arfurmo, 4, #533 of 2354 🔗

They have been normalising that for a couple of weeks now.

348575 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #534 of 2354 🔗

Alex Belfield gives a reasonable opinion of the daily mail fear mongering story re harder lockdown measures.

https://youtu.be/b18H8DNdyHc
3 minute video.

348589 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 4, #535 of 2354 🔗

Alex is great, I go to his YouTube most days.
I don’t agree with all his views but, hey, it’s a free country.

348577 SilentP, 3, #536 of 2354 🔗

From Sir Stephen Holgate in the Independent, mainly discussing the government’s fixation on vaccines as opposed to treatments

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/vaccine-covid-treatments-coronavirus-b1783955.html

348580 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 21, #537 of 2354 🔗

It’s really important to the PTB that we all get the jab. This is what the last 9 months of carefully choreographed panic has been leading up to.

Why? For the ‘flu which has an equivalent mortality rate I get a polite letter inviting me to attend for the jab, that’s all.

Expect growing threats of increased restrictions if take-up is poor and we don’t rush desperately to get the jab.

Because of this I wouldn’t touch it with a bargepole.

348591 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ross Hendry, 10, #538 of 2354 🔗

Glad to see others realising this.

The vaccine is the gateway to the technocratic slave state from which there will be no escape.

348598 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ross Hendry, 6, #539 of 2354 🔗

I normally get a simgle reminder text about the annual flu jab which I ignore. This year I have been bombarded with 14 such texts over two months

348603 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to karenovirus, 4, #540 of 2354 🔗

Interesting – I’m 59 and haven’t ever had a single one!

348806 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to vargas99, 1, #541 of 2354 🔗

I’ve had three since making it quite clear to the nurse who did my last blood test, that I had no intention of ever having a flu jab, when she noted I hadn’t had one yet.

348627 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Ross Hendry, 5, #542 of 2354 🔗

People shouldn’t need to be coerced into doing something supposedly for their own good.

348702 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ross Hendry, 13, #543 of 2354 🔗

I live in 55+ housing and here 20 Tenants have now had the jab (all over 75yrs but most fit, mobile and full faculties). Well, there are now 3 in hospital (2 days after taking the jab) 4 at home in bed feeling unwell, sick and nauseous and 5 with symptoms of Covid which they never had before! Some jab.

349342 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #544 of 2354 🔗

Thanks for feedback

348586 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 13, #545 of 2354 🔗

I’m glad that Dr Joffe is a sceptic now but the Diamond Princess proved that not everyone would get it, that there was preexisting immunity, and the age range. The IFR was estimated to be about .3 in March.

348893 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Caramel, -1, #546 of 2354 🔗

I’m not sure the DP proved anything much. The ‘experiment’ only ran for 10 days which was not enough time for everyone to be sufficiently exposed. For most of that time only a handful of passengers would have been infected.

349365 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Mayo, 1, #547 of 2354 🔗

The ‘man from Shenzhen’ boarded on 20 January, all crew and passengers were gone by 1 March.

350360 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Mayo, #548 of 2354 🔗

The data inferred from the Diamond Princess is about what has been proven and said now.

348590 Basics, 7, #549 of 2354 🔗

Friend’s mother had a message to arrange vaccine. Friend’s mother is house bound. There is no plan at present to vaccinate at homes.
Scotland.

348597 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 21, #550 of 2354 🔗

Whitty, 8.55 am today, BBC:

Asked about wearing masks when we leave the house, Prof Whitty says that he would encourage people to wear a mask “and wear it properly over the nose and mouth” when indoors but says that the risk outdoors is only in a crowded space.
In an open street environment it probably makes little difference, ” he says.

Let’s see how that plays out…

348619 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #551 of 2354 🔗

I think they’ll mandate it outdoors in stages. Today will be anywhere that is crowded, then in a couple of weeks everywhere.

348645 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Richard O, 4, #552 of 2354 🔗

Salami tactics.

348651 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Richard O, 2, #553 of 2354 🔗

Sounds about right – or, that will be the plan that is announced, but then it will accelerate after a few days. Seems to be the current way of doing.

348604 chaos, replying to chaos, 16, #554 of 2354 🔗

“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a mask on a human face—forever.”
George Unwell, 1984

348614 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to chaos, 9, #555 of 2354 🔗

I give it until Spring before this becomes reality.

348727 ▶▶ Basics, replying to chaos, 1, #556 of 2354 🔗

I thinking orwell knew a bit about the future, but how did he know in 1948 that I would be sat here thinking of hancocks face being stamped on forever?

348962 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to iansn, #558 of 2354 🔗

Didn’t have the guts to join though did she?

348608 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 43, #559 of 2354 🔗

Today’s team meeting:

Team lead: How’s everyone doing? Are you all coping OK with the restrictions
Team member 1: Yes, it’s hard but I’m staying sane I suppose
Team member 2: Me too
Me: I’m doing absolutely terrible. It’s only a matter of time before the economy collapses and that’s when the shit is really going to hit the fan. Food shortages, riots, mass civil unrest.

Didn’t go down too well…

Does anyone need a software developer?

348616 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to captainbeefheart, 16, #560 of 2354 🔗

Neil Ferguson needs one.

348640 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Achilles, 9, #561 of 2354 🔗

Won’t be a long enough contract…

10 IF TRUE THEN LOCKDOWN
20 GOTO 10

348678 ▶▶▶▶ franknhonest, replying to captainbeefheart, #562 of 2354 🔗

lol

349272 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #563 of 2354 🔗

I think he adapted existing code thus:

Dim FergusonIsATwat As Boolean = True

Do

# Call KillAllCattle

Call DoLockdown

Loop While FergusonIsATwat = True

Note: Syntax might be slightly dodgy….

348623 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to captainbeefheart, 19, #564 of 2354 🔗

Well said. They asked, you answered. Stupid fuckers were probably lying for public consumption when they said they were staying sane.

348637 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Richard O, 15, #565 of 2354 🔗

Indeed. People can’t handle the truth. I say it as it is at work and it doesn’t go down well.

348716 ▶▶ Basics, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #566 of 2354 🔗

Wrongthink delivered well.

348754 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #567 of 2354 🔗

No, but are you any good at plumbing?

348773 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Old Bill, 2, #568 of 2354 🔗

Not in the real world, but I have used an accurate computer simulation that models all known plumbing activities…
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349239 ▶▶ dhid, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #569 of 2354 🔗

Does anyone need a software developer?”

Yes I’d like to know that too – with a background in Electronic Manufacturing as an engineer.

Happy to help out and get hands-on with any other functions when needed.

Not keen on endless and pointless “Management Speak” meetings, and will stick any diversity training requirement notifications etc where the sun doesn’t shine into anyone requiring me to take them.

After the food shortages, riots, mass civil unrest, etc, obviously…..

348612 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 11, #570 of 2354 🔗

As the Pfizer vaccine is not recommended for pregnant women I assume that you should also avoid if you’re trying for a baby. Therefore I think you could probably exempt yourself for at least 25 years. Not sure if the same conditions apply for other vaccines though.

348701 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Achilles, 7, #571 of 2354 🔗

They have now come out saying that the Pfizer or Oxford one is safe to have during pregnancy and breastfeeding. However no studies have been done and I’m pretty sure no pregnant woman will make themselves a test subject for it.

I’m currently pregnant and won’t take it now or after when I plan to breastfeed. They can stick where the sun doesn’t shine

349513 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to CapLlam, 1, #572 of 2354 🔗

Who are “they”?

348826 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Achilles, 4, #573 of 2354 🔗

Apparently men can get pregnant too according to the book of woke so that’s 100% of the population that can refuse the vaxx

349350 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Crystal Decanter, #574 of 2354 🔗

I assume age is no impediment either.

348626 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 6, #575 of 2354 🔗

ONS website WEEK 52…… 2912 deaths ‘mentioned Covid’ on the death certificate?

Apparantly death statistics should be treated with ‘caution’?

How come the BBC are telling us over 1000 people a DAY are dying directly from this PLAGUE?

348676 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Luckyharry69, #576 of 2354 🔗

I’ve been wondering about this. Are there cases where someone dies within 28 days of a positive test but covid is not mentioned on the death certificate? Or are doctors putting covid down when there has been no positive test? Trying to understand the disparity.

348696 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to leggy, 3, #577 of 2354 🔗

This is the big lie. A death FROM ANYTHING within 28 days of a pos test is a covid death. If you are in hospital, FOR ANYTHING you will be tested routinely. That will probably be positive, as we know. If you die, bingo! Covid death.

348813 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #578 of 2354 🔗

The surest indicator of the venality of the media is that the myths around PCR+ results are still being perpetuated when it is one of the biggest stories of fraud in existence.

Any journalist not onto it is either incompetent or venal (bought). There’s no halfway house.

348630 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #579 of 2354 🔗

The situation is so serious that the rapists dad has only used one fifth of the ‘vaccine’ they sent him

348634 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #580 of 2354 🔗

On the upside, if the ‘rollout’ fails he can cancel the elections. What’s not to like?

348631 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 2, #581 of 2354 🔗

“Some more backbone can be dredged up by realizing that once the pseudo-real begins displacing the real for even a few percent of the population, the question is no longer whether things will go bad but how bad they will go before the bubble bursts. Reality will always win, and calamity comes in proportion to the size of the lie between us and it, so it is better to act sooner than later.”

https://newdiscourses.com/2020/12/psychopathy-origins-totalitarianism/

348644 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to rockoman, 6, #582 of 2354 🔗

Human beings are (unfortunately) all too capable of living with myths for extended periods of time, regardless of how harmful those myths are.

348638 rockoman, 3, #583 of 2354 🔗

“Pseudo-realities, being false and unreal, will always generate tragedy and evil on a scale that is at least proportional to the reach of their grip on power—which is their chief interest—whether social, cultural, economic, political, or (particularly) a combination of several or all of these. So important to the development and tragedies of societies are these pseudo-realities when they arise and take root that it is worth outlining their basic properties and structure so that they can be identified and properly resisted before they result in sociopolitical calamities—up to and including war, genocide, and even civilizational collapse, all of which can take many millions of lives and can ruin many millions more in the vain pursuit of a fiction whose believers are, or are made, sufficiently intolerant.”

https://newdiscourses.com/2020/12/psychopathy-origins-totalitarianism/

348641 dhid, replying to dhid, 15, #584 of 2354 🔗

I am puzzled why the “Philandering Professor”, i.e. Ferguson, has now said he now thinks that London may possibly have herd immunity.

Not that I in any way doubt that herd immunity is likely, but why has he, apparently, changed his mind?

I think that he’s making a cynical attempt to extract himself from the car crash he has had a huge part in causing, and hopes to garner some support from those who currently begrudge him the air he breathes.

Am I thinking too hard about this?

348659 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to dhid, 8, #585 of 2354 🔗

Ferguson wants to remain in Tier 69

348680 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #586 of 2354 🔗

Filth!

348692 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Crystal Decanter, #587 of 2354 🔗

Had to think about that one for a moment…
Lol!

348668 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to dhid, 14, #588 of 2354 🔗

I do hope that this is the beginning of an addmission that the virus mutation is too quick for vaccinating an entire nation once or twice a year for just one type of coronavirus.
I have detected a subtle change in tone over the last couple of weeks and am hopeful that there is a lot of sqirming going on in the background as to how we get out of this. Once they have blamed the public for causing death and destruction as they are doing now, the only place left to go is very dark indeed.

348687 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Jonny S., 4, #589 of 2354 🔗

Telling the truth would be an honourable way of getting out of this but hey, they are all pathological liars so telling the truth is not an option.

348710 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #590 of 2354 🔗

Politics, in my opinion, is the art of lying. The problem in my opinion is breaking the egos of the scientists who have got us into this mess. I do hope that the religion of science is to be very short lived and it can once again go back to the scientific method to better humanity.

348672 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to dhid, 1, #591 of 2354 🔗

Haven’t seen this – do you have a link to an article or something?

348683 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Adamb, #592 of 2354 🔗

It was mentioned on Talk Radio a short time ago.

348745 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Adamb, 1, #593 of 2354 🔗

Was in the Times at the weekend

350286 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Adamb, 1, #594 of 2354 🔗

I think this Euromomo chart is pretty clear.

348711 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to dhid, #595 of 2354 🔗

He thinks herd immunity has been reached NOW. I don’t think he is being inconsistent here.

I actually agree with him on this – and disagree with others who claimed we had reached HI in the spring. It will be more difficult for the virus to have a major effect next winter after infections decline over the summer.

348730 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 7, #596 of 2354 🔗

Depends what you mean in practical terms as ‘herd immunity’.

Certainly, by September (i.e. allowing for seasonality), any evidence of unusual mortality had vanished.

Anyone who can’t recognize this hard fact contained in the data is pretty dim.

… or pretty venal.

348956 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, 1, #597 of 2354 🔗

Certainly, by September (i.e. allowing for seasonality), any evidence of unusual mortality had vanished.

No-one could be sure of that and I don’t think it’s true anyway. Following the excess mortality in the spring I would have expected very low mortality in Autumn. It was still above normal.

348735 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Mayo, 2, #598 of 2354 🔗

given that covid has pushed out flu and other seasonal colds this year is there a risk that next year we will be more hard hit by these rather than covid?

348767 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mayo, 2, #599 of 2354 🔗

It makes no difference WHEN he thinks/thought it, he is saying something which he had not suggested was likely in the past.

Given that the “lockdowns” will only ever delay that HI happening and the utterly useless and damaging modeling of anything he has ever done in the past, the fact that he is saying out loud now that he thinks this, simply shows, in my opinion, what a sniveling waste of air he is, and is simply trying to get himself out of the shit – to put it in simple terms.

348771 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Mayo, 5, #600 of 2354 🔗

Hang on, if we have reached herd immunity before vaccination has had a material impact – where are his 500,000 dead? Also, it is by no means clear that the virus is having a major effect now since total mortality is not out of the ordinary.

348779 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Adamb, 1, #601 of 2354 🔗

Exactly.

348946 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Adamb, -1, #602 of 2354 🔗

Has he said the UK had reached Herd Immunity? London could be close but that’s not the whole of the UK.

In any case, there are different routes to HI. There are also different states which could exist when HI is reached. For example, technically HI could be reached when 60% of the population has been infected. However, that doesn’t mean that infections will suddenly stop. If we still have a large number infected then transmission will continue. On the other hand, if we’d reached HI in, say May, the pandemic would likely have died out completely over the summer.

It all comes down to who gets infected – and when.

I’m not saying I agree with it, but Ferguson’s 500k was under a free-for-all, business as usual scenario.

349017 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Mayo, 1, #603 of 2354 🔗

I don’t honestly know what he said, just what’s been written here. But in any case, extrapolating London deaths nationally, if only London has reached herd immunity in his opinion, gets nowhere near his worst case scenario. And surely we have to assume that however you define herd immunity, it’s an acceptable state to end up in that requires no further intervention?

348998 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mayo, 1, #604 of 2354 🔗

How are you defining herd immunity? I know the formal definition for HIT is 1 – (1/R0) but this is just theoretical. It tells us the percentage that would need to be immune in theory, but this would assume immunity is a binary and we know that isn’t the case. So this outcome isn’t testable – as I see it the only testable outcome is that we see RT below 1 for one stable period of time.

To draw a parallel- do we have herd immunity for the flu? If so, how do we evidence that this is the case – despite the fact it tends to re-emerge each winter?

348643 Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, 12, #605 of 2354 🔗

Sick to death of government, charities and NGO’s being the ones expected to deal with “loneliness” as if the need for social interaction in a mental health problem and that big government can be your friend instead. I’m sure soon they’ll just introduce AI plastic mannequin ‘friends’ you can hire to talk to, have a dinner party with or a picnic. Hell, why not go the whole way and have marriage ceremonies where you can go down to your local Post Office and “Marry” the state?

348648 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Noumenon, 8, #606 of 2354 🔗

Many years ago Germaine Greer pointed out that young girls were having babies and marrying the state.

348699 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Noumenon, 3, #607 of 2354 🔗

Civil society is what those groups refer themselves as. It’s this so called civil society that is taking over from our democratic principles.

Government funds a charity. Chairty gives independent thought to government. Government forms policy.

Screw you if you feel personal friendly human contact is important. NGO says thdir numbers say a goldfish in a jar has 80% of the benefits of an actual friend.

348652 Gerald Gouriet, 9, #608 of 2354 🔗

From the reports I have read:
1. The two women were given ‘fixed penalty notices’ – which they can refuse to pay (I hope they do) and opt for a magistrates’ court trial of the alleged offences.
2, The law does not require people only to exercise “locally”: that is an invention of government guidance, and is unenforceable.

It is odd that Matt Hancock should have given his unequivocal support to the police on this. Perhaps he does not understand the difference between enforceable law and unenforceable guidance?

348653 Brett_McS, replying to Brett_McS, 19, #609 of 2354 🔗

Interesting article from the Sydney Morning Herald from the time of the SARS-I scare. Face masks are dangerous!

https://www.smh.com.au/national/farce-mask-its-safe-for-only-20-minutes-20030427-gdgnyo.html

349508 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Brett_McS, #610 of 2354 🔗

That’s a variation of my dentist saying that their effectiveness is only 15 minutes.

348654 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #611 of 2354 🔗

They are still trying to pass the blame to people standing in supermarket queues, while millions have come, gone and stayed in this country, during this, in their millions. looks like a criminal gang are running the country and its a heist of western economies..

348656 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to DanClarke, 33, #612 of 2354 🔗

Nobody is to blame. Neither people standing in supermarket queues nor visitors to this country.

Viruses will do what viruses do.

348665 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #613 of 2354 🔗

pedantic, obviously, to clarify, they (nudge unit) are making the gullible (those that believe in this deadly virus) feel they are to blame for chatting in supermarket queues.

348697 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to DanClarke, 5, #614 of 2354 🔗

I actually wasn’t intending to be pedantic, sorry it came across like that!

There are a surprising number out there, even some sceptics I’ve come across, who think we could go all NZ and stop the coroni by completely closing the borders, even at this late stage in the game and even though the UK is such a busy transport hub that if we know about a virus somewhere in the world, it’s probably in the UK too. I misunderstood your post.

The nudge unit are really scraping the barrel with the supermarket queue stuff.

348812 ▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #615 of 2354 🔗

I just want to fire some of the blame back onto this government, closing the borders is a stretch but if they want to blame the people already in the country, they need to start accepting a whole shed load of blame themselves

348679 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #616 of 2354 🔗

Yes, and they can’t be controlled.

348740 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #617 of 2354 🔗

Absolutely, the civilized do not blame the sick for their illness.

348723 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 6, #618 of 2354 🔗

Yes. The ‘supermarket’ vector was blown out of the water a long time ago. We carried on more-or-less as normal in supermarkets throughout the April peak.

… and nothing happened.

348744 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to RickH, 6, #619 of 2354 🔗

Absolutely, Rick. The best barometer for all this, something that anyone can see and understand, without those nasty percentages and stuff, has been supermarket workers/customers. I could describe all my regular servers now, in several stores – they’ve all been there throughout.

348658 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 20, #620 of 2354 🔗

I for one am absolutely delighted that the pearl clutching, muzzled collaborators are now having to face tougher restrictions due to the “selfish minority” who simply refuse to do as they’re told.

As the only section of the population who actually follow the rules, let’s see how they enjoy a winter spent in total isolation, only leaving their homes for the allowed hour. If it doesn’t wake a few of them up, at least it’ll drive most of them over the edge.

348671 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Scotty87, 17, #621 of 2354 🔗

That’s a good angle to approach this from. The zealots are probably going to suffer more than anyone else, because they are getting everything they are baying for, yet conditions are still deteriorating at breakneck speed.

348684 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Scotty87, 8, #622 of 2354 🔗

…and if it doesn’t drive them over the edge, we shall just have to tighten further, won’t we.

If they want lockdown, then give it to ’em good and hard.

348724 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to rockoman, 8, #623 of 2354 🔗

Do you want it sir? Do you really want good and hard sir? Ooh, suit you sir.

348873 ▶▶▶▶ willhhand, replying to Richard O, 1, #624 of 2354 🔗

I love it hard!

348661 Mark, replying to Mark, 20, #625 of 2354 🔗

Not “fake” – staged is not the same as “fake”. the police still were bullying state enforcers. they just fell for a ploy that got them to do it on camera.

348664 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Mark, 13, #626 of 2354 🔗

I think we can safely say Dorset plod were “Audited” by the public and Failed miserably.

348689 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to dhid, 4, #627 of 2354 🔗

Indeed. They wouldn’t even get away with an “entrapment” plea imo.

348734 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mark, 2, #628 of 2354 🔗

True.

What I find staggering is, that having been roundly criticised for moving an old guy off a bench in the first imprisonment attempt, they were so stupid that no-one amongst them realised the likely public relations disaster of doing what they did on Saturday.

348666 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 40, #629 of 2354 🔗

We’re ten months into this and I only know two people who have had Covid-19 and both caught it in hospital in wards that are supposed to be non-Covid. So Matt, it isn’t in supermarkets, pubs, restaurants, coffee shops, it’s in your hospitals.

348698 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Biggles, 7, #630 of 2354 🔗

So Matt, it isn’t in supermarkets, pubs, restaurants, coffee shops, it’s in your hospitals.

And your mind.

348708 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Biggles, 6, #631 of 2354 🔗

Yes the common cold has always been very comfy in our stinking hospitals

348669 wayno, replying to wayno, 2, #632 of 2354 🔗

not sure if this has been posted but looks like they are still banging on about 1 in 3 asymptomatic. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/asymptomatic-testing-to-be-rolled-out-across-the-country-starting-this-week

348677 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to wayno, 11, #633 of 2354 🔗

As Victor Meldrew used to say “I don’t believe it!”. We are the only country in the world pursuing this ridiculous policy. I guess they need higher numbers of cases to drag this thing out.

348820 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #634 of 2354 🔗

Yes the selfish bastards nobody is dying!!

348940 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #635 of 2354 🔗

Exactly. By the way, I just got the box DVD set of ‘One Foot in the Grave’. I’ve been channelling my ‘inner Meldrew’ so much lately that I thought I should see the original again.

348688 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 15, #636 of 2354 🔗

GAB>>>>>groups>>>> Lockdown sceptics
approved members only
yer welcome

348718 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #637 of 2354 🔗

Dolan’s moved over there too:
https://gab.com/Simondolan

348874 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #638 of 2354 🔗

Greatwork. I kept worrying t hi is site would suddenly be gone and what would I do… I’ve asked to join the group on gab then nothing happens.. is it just slow?

349178 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Sodastream, 1, #639 of 2354 🔗

Be patient – Gab is under a lot of strain at the moment
The groups work sporadically – (normally better when the yanks are asleep )

349344 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Sodastream, 1, #640 of 2354 🔗

The least likely to disappear since they ‘own their own metal’ having seen early the way the wind was blowing with the Alex Jones dry run. Their Dissenter browser seems good so far, no social media for me (one blessing for my children at least)

348691 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 7, #641 of 2354 🔗

On the Sky news breaking news ticker thingy at the bottom of the screen, Nadhim Zahawi saying the government will not impose new restrictions on the public but will seek to greater enforce those already in place.

Expect this to change with wancocks breifing at 5pm today.

348704 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jonny S., 6, #642 of 2354 🔗

It’s like Punch and Judy.

Oh no it isn’t.

Oh yes it is.

349339 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Richard O, #643 of 2354 🔗

Naughty, naughty, naughty!

348706 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Jonny S., #644 of 2354 🔗

Still time to fashion yourself one of these…
https://t.co/3EihPf2Z68

348720 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Basics, 3, #645 of 2354 🔗

🙂 Reminds me of an old VIZ comic strip. Black Bag, the faithful old black binliner.

348817 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Jonny S., 2, #646 of 2354 🔗

Still one of my faves, “women, save money on buying a vibrator, just get an old metal cigar holder and fill it with angry wasps”

348747 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Jonny S., 8, #647 of 2354 🔗

It’s all the applied psychology nonsense – dangerous stuff, they are told to make threats to insight violence and intimidation against anyone not complying with their diktats.

As ministers and the psychologists don’t perform the final action against the victim they have a clear conscience and don’t suffer the bad karma.

348801 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Jonny S., 1, #648 of 2354 🔗

Greater enforcement of compulsory masks outside the home at all times perhaps?

348857 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Ricky1, 2, #649 of 2354 🔗

I’ll pass on that thankyou.

348707 RickH, replying to RickH, 9, #650 of 2354 🔗

We are living in a time of myths. One of them is a ‘parallel’ between the Brexit situation an Covid. We have another article today which rides that hobby-horse, trying to present the Brexit vote as an ‘anti-establishment’ rebellion by ‘the people’.

Of course – it wasn’t. It represented a split in the establishment, with the majority of the establishment propaganda organs actually following pro-Brexit line. Currently, the establishment organs are solidly pro-Covid. If the BBC maintained the sort of coverage that we saw over Brexit, it would be a very different story.

And, of course, public opinion was very different. The statement :

Having being given a referendum, the British people defied their political masters and voted for Brexit. “

… is pure fiction. There was a split vote – far less decisive than the previous referendum – in which a minority of the electorate voted for Brexit.

Were the situation now the same! We currently have a majority supporting the establishment line on Covid, by any realistic measure, and a MSM that comprehensively promotes the same propaganda line.

This is too serious to be able to afford self-serving myths of wish-fulfilment in this current dire situation.

As a declaration of interest, I supported ‘Remain’ – not for any allegiance to European institutions, but as a recognition of the waste of time and effort being expended over an irrelevancy that diverted attention from the real issues (that are now emerging). But my point is simply a factual one.

348725 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to RickH, 4, #651 of 2354 🔗

Agree 100% – that Brexit was a display of so-called popularism with its cynical, carefully crafted “Take Back Control” meme – created by a well-known hypnotist as I recall – is an utterly ludicrous proposition.

348731 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to RickH, 5, #652 of 2354 🔗

Also agree. Power has supposedly been brought back closer to people but the reality is it might as well be a million miles away for the amount of good it is doing us.

348736 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to RickH, 7, #653 of 2354 🔗

As soon as Johnson fronted the Leave campaign, I knew it was a complete and utter fraud. Voted Remain purely because he was in on it. I have seen nothing since to dissuade me from this opinion.

348753 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 8, #654 of 2354 🔗

There are those that saw the sheer corruption involved at the heart of the financial system in 2008 and into the 2010s. The price was paid through years of austerity and patronising messages from the stage management polticos (“We’re all in this together”). Communities have become directionless and this is not just in the UK. People can see that any stake the common man has in this statecraft we see today is very much a mirage. They may protest, but it is ignored and belittled as concerns of an uninformed idiotic section of society. Disaffection is rife.

That corruption was laid bare. Why continue to believe in a free economy and meritocracy? You’re hard work can be taken away at a whim. You are being lied to.

So with that, is it any wonder that Brexit and Trump happened? Simply by way of protest? When the people have been given a choice they’ve shown that the old loyalties are no longer valuable.

Of course this protest was registered. But for the establishment this was in a way a wake up call. They could not allow this to happen again. People need to be put in their box again. New myths, new means of control.

The push now to cancel elections is a bright red flag I this regard

348768 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #655 of 2354 🔗

There are those that saw the sheer corruption involved at the heart of the financial system in 2008 and into the 2010s.”

I was one of them. I also recognized that the key institutions backing Brexit (hedge funds etc.) were deeply mired in corruption and involved in shorting their way to a fast buck.

348842 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, #656 of 2354 🔗

The Greek situation was particularly enlightening. I think we are witnessing the slow, yet gaining speed, collapse of our system. The answer seems to be to allow a small elite design a new one and usher it in without any acknowledgement of democratic backing. The people are not to be trusted to make the ‘right’ decision

348800 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to RickH, 5, #657 of 2354 🔗

Rick,
Are you suggesting that it is possible to identify just one explanation for the Brexit vote?
My declaration of interest is that I voted remain but changed my mind when I studied the issue in more depth.

348728 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 13, #658 of 2354 🔗

Interesting how on the front page of The Times today Prince Charles is given a chance to promote UN Agenda 2030, about it is a headline pretty much promoting martial law. They tie in quite well as the future the technocrats are seeking to impose on the rest of us is pretty much the police state we live in now.

348766 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Darryl, 2, #659 of 2354 🔗

The BBC had him calling for a Carta Mundi ( I think that was it but it translates as World Charter).

348786 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to karenovirus, 6, #660 of 2354 🔗

Yes, and the date just happened to 2030. When the BBC and The Times give prominence to something you know it is the establishment speaking. A lot of people are going to have a shock when/if they ever wake up from their hysterical covid overreaction. They are busy changing the world whilst the masses sleep.

348917 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 4, #661 of 2354 🔗

There are rumours he’ll turn down the throne this year and get fully behind the Agenda 2030 Great Reset as a figurehead. April.

348739 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 14, #662 of 2354 🔗

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/despite-brexit-britain-is-an-occupied-country/

A scorcher and well worth reading; the author’s assessment of Shuttlecock-

“Health Secretary Matt Hancock, an exceptional embodiment of the mediocrity of the elite.”

Read it for this,as it resonates with our thoughts here.

348746 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to wendyk, 7, #663 of 2354 🔗

If a gain for understanding has been made in the ten months since Boris Johnson’s government incinerated a thousand years of British liberty and launched a psychological and economic war against the nation, it is that this question has been settled: Brexit means nothing.

348782 ▶▶ TJN, replying to wendyk, 1, #664 of 2354 🔗

Great article – thanks.

348810 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to wendyk, 6, #665 of 2354 🔗

Its amazeballs but nine months ago I had no knowledge of Conservative woman, or of Laura. I only used YouTube to watch band videos. My news came from the BBC Website and the DM. Hahaha,”but what a fool believes.”

348741 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 33, #666 of 2354 🔗

In this time of madness the award for the most absurd assertion is keenly contested. There are many serious contenders. But, the notion that the Chinese Communist Party forced Boris Johnson (et al) to introduce the lockdown regime in March 2020 is a front runner for the accolade.

It does not matter what the Chinese Communist Party did or did not do; it does not matter what their motivation(s) was; it does not matter how effectively they implemented their tactics. Nothing the Chinese Communist Party did forced Boris Johnson to attack the people of this country. The policies of the government are responsibility of the members of the government: and it is they who have to be held accountable for their crimes against humanity.

Attacking a far away foreign government is at best a displacement activity.

348757 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #667 of 2354 🔗

Indeed, that is akin to saying “A big boy did it & ran away”

348760 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 19, #668 of 2354 🔗

I agree. It may have been China’s aim – in which case their assessment of Western ineptitude was spot-on.

But the responsibility is entirely with western governments.

348765 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #669 of 2354 🔗

There’s a book called the Shadow Market written a few years ago. In one chapter it deals with models of what would happen if China sold its US Treasuries. It turned out it only needed to sell 5% and then use the media to post distrust of the US being able to pay their debt. That was it. This would enable a market crash as fear and doubt would multiply to be a much larger beast than the 5% sell-off.

The CCP did not need to force Western Governments to do anything. It just needed to present a method of containment that would cause authoritarian-leaning people, including academics, to bias their reporting to it. After all as Ferguson says, they couldn’t believe it could be done, until CHINA DID IT.

You don’t need direct control. What you need is a firewall in your country that respect common sense, economic cost and freedom of individuals when the chips are down.

We have none of those. That’s on us too, but primarily that’s on the government.

So I agree this is primarily their fault but don’t think for a second that there hasn’t been a nudge from the CCP.

348791 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mhcp, 4, #670 of 2354 🔗

Actually Ferguson did want to copy China, but thought “we” could not get away with it here, until Italy did it.

348769 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #671 of 2354 🔗

It’s the Western governments choosing to install a Chinese style method of control and governance which is the problem. The establishment seem desperate to have facial recognition, big tech surveillance and social credits in this country – of course in this UK we hide it under the broad social engineering headings such as saving the planet or making society inclusive.

348804 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #672 of 2354 🔗

They are blaming everyone, even old people standing in the cold to get food

348839 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DanClarke, 1, #673 of 2354 🔗

According to Chris Whitty (this morning on BBC News), anyone who has even one unnecessary social contact is responsible.

348831 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #674 of 2354 🔗

China is being presented as Barabbas from The Jew of Malta , when in truth it is more like Fortinbras in Hamlet .

348871 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #675 of 2354 🔗

well, yes and no. I agree if we are talking moral responsibility it’s reasonable to say ‘the buck stops there’ and no need to look any further, but if we want to investigate the historical causes of what happened, it’s also reasonable to dig deeper: in other words, you can not escape moral responsibility by saying, ‘so-and-so made me do it’ but this does not alter the facts that so-and-so had a hand in it

348881 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #676 of 2354 🔗

So how did the Chinese Communist Party force Boris Johnson et al to attack the people of this country?

349330 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #677 of 2354 🔗

Why has DJT been banned from all social media?

348912 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, #678 of 2354 🔗

Boris followed the Science. The Science was corrupted. The step change from Chris Whittys Chesham Letcture to the CCP model was evident. Huge pressure was being put on public health bodies to recommend lockdowns (Belarus claimed outright bribery).

Yes Boris could have said no. He wouldn’t have lasted a month.

348954 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #679 of 2354 🔗

Tell me, what would have happened if Boris Johnson had not introduced the lockdown measures in March 2020?

349655 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #680 of 2354 🔗

Nothing. Just like Belarus. Nothing.

348914 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #681 of 2354 🔗

Yes, I agree and am tired of hearing people blame someone else for what was the responsibility of our dreadful UK government. It is interesting to see how governments might possibly be influenced by what happens elsewhere, particularly for us in political science and international relations, but it does not remove the responsibility of governments (and voters) for their decisions.

348750 karenovirus, 4, #682 of 2354 🔗

County Counci website restricted parking zones FAQ.
“I am parked on a two hour bay and am scared to go outside to move my car.
What should I do ?”

Response below (it ain’t all heart).

348761 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 22, #683 of 2354 🔗

There are always pre -emptive articles via various news stooges before bad news.

So face masks almost everywhere even though they are waste of time.

Tomorrow it might be that pet dogs and cats carry “covid” so sage recommends a national culling.

Please , Reform UK, make an impact.

348775 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nickbowes, 9, #684 of 2354 🔗

Good call on pets. I’m sure that they have been one of the few sources of comfort for many. Can’t be having that can we? Ferguson’s modelling has form for killing animals as well.

Remember that stories of Covid cases in cats and dogs have been floated a couple of times already.

348928 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Richard O, 3, #685 of 2354 🔗

Where my dogs go, I go. I’m already freaked by the suggestion of going out once a week. I’ve got three springer spaniels. for god’s sake. I was brought up on a farm and I would rather be dead than stay in my small house all day. I am in a proper state at the moment, I’ve been over to my neighbour to ask if I can make a bigger hole in her hedge so I can get into the field leading to network of paths, without having to go down to the main road. She probably thinks I am mad but was sympathetic to my plight, she has a 3 month old baby and said she is going to take him out, as she does regularly, whatever.
Words can’t describe what I am feeling at the moment. I can’t stop crying, my partner is at work and I don’t want to phone him, it will just upset him.
It’s no good talking to anyone anymore, no-one can change what is going on. If they do introduce that ban on going out, I cannot cope anymore.

348764 Secret Squirrel, replying to Secret Squirrel, 18, #686 of 2354 🔗

Has this happened to anyone else ? A few weeks ago someone suggested on here that we should all join the YouGov polling system to promote our views and values. I registered, completed my profile for every sector and was immediately sent a poll to complete which I duly did . For the next few days I got an invitation to further polls every other day which I immediately completed . My answers to various questions and comments entered were critical of government actions etc. Needless to say the responses the live poll results indicated were all supportive of more lockdowns etc .
Obviously YouGov do not appreciate my views and the requests for me to complete further polls have stopped completely with nothing now for 7 days . What a surprise YouGov polls only promote government policy. Are they not meant to be independent ?

348783 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Secret Squirrel, 7, #687 of 2354 🔗

I did as you suggested, and have not had any further polls other than to find out who does my insurance for various things. FFS.

348784 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Secret Squirrel, 7, #688 of 2354 🔗

Yep, exactly the same before I deleted my account last year. Pointless.

And the questions are so clearly set to provide a biased outcome, usually to frame the debate in a ‘government doing too little’ context, without any chance to provide a response that the government is already doing far too much.

348785 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Secret Squirrel, 7, #689 of 2354 🔗

i did the same, was getting the chats to my email also, after a few shandy’s over christmas, i was dutifully filling one in and it asked for my reasons to what ever lockdown or vaccine questions, cant remember which. Both barrels were given, strangely i now dont receive the emails.

348809 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Secret Squirrel, 1, #690 of 2354 🔗

I’ve never had more than a request to complete a questionnaire every few weeks (at most). I still complete the live poll from time to time, though I feel it’s futile.

348819 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Secret Squirrel, 2, #691 of 2354 🔗

Yes same here. I did one, made my views known. No more requests from them

348877 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Secret Squirrel, 1, #692 of 2354 🔗

Same here

348905 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Secret Squirrel, 4, #693 of 2354 🔗

That’s actually quite comforting, especially as others posting a reply have found that too. It confirms that the polls aren’t representing the population’s real views.

349247 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Secret Squirrel, #694 of 2354 🔗

I have been very critical of the government on YouGov and I still get frequent survey invitations. If you go to your account’s personal details you can toggle how often you receive surveys – mine is set to ‘as often as possible’.

350150 ▶▶ Steve Foster, replying to Secret Squirrel, #695 of 2354 🔗

Yup, my experiences with YouGov were similarly suspicious. I was seeing the results of YouGov polls for which I’d never been invited to contribute. Strangely, the results were supportive of things I’d taken an earlier opportunity to criticise. I wrote to YouGov (back in September) to express my suspicions and they’ve sent me nothing at all since. I’ve been dropped. Call me an old cynic, if you like, but I believe they are only interested in publishing pre-determined poll results.
Plus, the questions are often infuriatingly binary or weighted in such a way to elicit a particular response.

348770 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 4, #696 of 2354 🔗

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/11/latest-news-251/#comments

Is there hope for us in Sturgeonia at last? I’m thinking of joining Reform UK.

348776 ▶▶ jb12, replying to wendyk, #697 of 2354 🔗

Did you mean to put that link there, Wendy?

348795 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to jb12, 6, #698 of 2354 🔗

https://order-order.com/2021/01/11/reform-uk-set-to-surprise-at-scotland-launch/

Sorry! Should have been this one; keyboard derangement!

348777 ▶▶ RickH, replying to wendyk, 1, #699 of 2354 🔗

I am totally neutral regarding what you should do re. the SNP.

But I do know that parties like the ‘Reform’ party are irrelevant.

348796 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to RickH, 6, #700 of 2354 🔗

They said that about the brexit party

348802 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, 1, #701 of 2354 🔗

Why’s that Rick? Michelle Ballantyne is an excellent independently minded MSP, who has been writing about Covid madness for many months now; see her comments in the text.

I admire her commitment and we need opposition up here, so why write Reform UK off as irrelevant?

348896 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to wendyk, 1, #702 of 2354 🔗

I’m glad to see this development; I had hoped there would be a version of Reform UK in Scotland. Thanks to proportional representation for our Scottish Parliament (and local) elections, this party might even win a few seats, though it would need roughly five per cent in a region to win a seat, and it’s not that easy for ‘upstart’ parties.

348922 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to wendyk, #703 of 2354 🔗

Presumably either because Rick wants you to think the only “real” alternatives to the SNP are the Labour or “Conservative” parties, presumably.because he still fantasises about a “Labour” Party back under the control of his preferred wing of the left (which will never happen), or because he is applying the left dogma about political parties only being “real” if they take a stand on their ideological litmus test of economic ownership.

But the latter is a mere outdated dogma, and the former is, as suggested, a fantasy.

It could also just be lingering personal resentment, having just had his preferred politics on the European superstate trounced by the Brexit Party, of course.

In reality we need to either create new parties to replace Labour and “Conservative” (and SNP in Scotland), or gut those established parties and replace their hierarchies wholesale.

Reform is a viable candidate, but personally I think we need to have clarification on their position on lockdown, given Farage’s recent equivocation.

348803 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to wendyk, #704 of 2354 🔗

O dear! Wrong link;see below. Sorry folks.

348868 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to wendyk, 1, #705 of 2354 🔗

I’m looking at Reclaim if Lawrence Fox can get it off the ground with a publicity drive.

349323 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Jo Dominich, #706 of 2354 🔗

Anybody but ConLabLib even if it means a spoilt vote ‘None of the above’.

348780 rockoman, 3, #707 of 2354 🔗

“General social distancing is predicted to reduce the number of cases, but increase the total number of deaths when compared with social distancing being practiced by the over 70’s only. This is because Covid-19 related deaths are highly skewed towards older age groups, experts said.”

https://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/news/2020/simulation-model-reveals-new-information-on-the-spread-of-covid-19-20-10-08

348787 kh1485, 28, #708 of 2354 🔗

Just had to get myself psyched up for a potential bad reaction to my blackboard! Big bloke, with a mask … Anyway, my fears unfounded. He agreed with the message and came in to say so and rather sweetly said he felt he should buy something rather than leave empty-handed. Now just need him to bin the mask.

348789 Mark, replying to Mark, 4, #709 of 2354 🔗

A series of Twitter posts from establishment lickspittle Dan Hodges. This is the level of stupidity we are up against. This man has access to the mainstream media pulpit to push his stupidity.

(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
·OK, quite a long post, but I was asked by several people yesterday to respond specifically to the points @JuliaHB1 made in her own thread. So I’m going to try one final time to explain.

It is perfectly legitimate to interrogate individual pieces of Covid data…

…but what you also have to do – if you are genuinely trying to deal in truth and fact – is align those pieces of data.

So, it is conceivable there are flaws in testing. And Covid admissions data. And mortality data…

…But – and this is the crucial point – it is not conceivable that those flaws align in the way we are currently seeing. For example, false positives would not account for a rise in admissions. In the same way, a flawed definition of Covid admissions (leg-break hypothesis)…

…would not account for a rise in mortality. But we are seeing all three surging. Concurrently. In precisely the way we would expect in the midst of a pandemic.

Which brings me to the second point…

To believe the hypothesis posed by the sceptics you also have to believe this. Either those charged with monitoring the nation’s health – the CMO, CSA, their colleagues in the regions, Ministers, officials – are unaware of the data flaws Julia and her allies have identified…

…and despite their decades of cumulative experience, they are making major public health decisions totally oblivious to the catastrophic misreading of the data the amateur lock-down sceptic sleuths have uncovered…

…or they are aware of them. And – for reasons no one has yet rationally explained – are carrying on regardless, perpetuating one of the greatest public health hoaxes in history…

…Which brings me to the final point. If you wish to embrace the lockdown-sceptics theory you also have to believe something else…

…Which is what is happening in the UK – the erroneous testing data, admissions data, mortality data, the failure to identify it by the entire public health establishment – is all part of a staggering coincidence…

…That by a one in a billion chance the UK’s great false-pandemic scare just so happened to coincide with a genuine global pandemic…

…Our false data surge – all those false positives and broken legs – happened just as a real pandemic was sweeping the rest of the globe. Because no-one disputes the Tsunami of cases and deaths we saw in March and April was the product of the annual winter flu season…

…So as I say, believe what you want to believe. But if you genuinely care about facts and the truth, there is only one conclusion you can draw. The pandemic isn’t a hoax, it’s here, and it represents a real and present danger to the health of our nation.

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1347555853252128768

348794 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 4, #710 of 2354 🔗

He doesn’t want to admit he’s been wrong all along and that everything SAGE has said so far has been a hoax

348799 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mark, 13, #711 of 2354 🔗

Classic straw man tactics. Conflating Covid Deniers (there is no virus) with Lockdown Sceptics (there is a virus, but the response to it is wildly disproportionate, based on faulty modelling and testing and is inflicting irreparable damage on our society). Very, very weak arguments indeed.

348818 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Mark, 6, #712 of 2354 🔗

He’s getting short shrift in the comments so far.

348897 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 3, #713 of 2354 🔗

Strip away PCR noise

348792 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 12, #714 of 2354 🔗

http://gdspoliticalanimal.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-importance-of-sweden.html?m=1

At the beginning of autumn, Sweden had the fifth highest death rate per capita in Europe, behind only Belgium, Italy, the UK, and Spain; all of the last four had suffered more deaths while the country was locked down. By November, Sweden had fallen from #5 to #10, being passed in deaths per capita by France, North Macedonia, Bosnia and Hercegovina, Montenegro, and Czechia. In the following months it has since slipped further to #15, being overtaken in the body count by Bulgaria, Slovenia, Hungary, Croatia, and Switzerland.

348816 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to JayBee, 9, #715 of 2354 🔗

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

According to this Sweden is now at number 22.

Sweden’s all cause motality now runnung at below the 5-year average:

https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

348887 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to rockoman, 3, #716 of 2354 🔗

Thanks to both of you for this information. I was wondering how things had developed and am not surprised by this.

348815 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to JayBee, 12, #718 of 2354 🔗

As this author points out,gaslighting by government is passing for strategy; I’ve suspected governmental gaslighting for many months now.

Time to turn off the gas folks.

348875 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to wendyk, 5, #719 of 2354 🔗

Time to turn off the BBC.

348807 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #720 of 2354 🔗

Hancock on Marr.
Marr: is everyone going to get a vaccine by autumn as manufactures say 99% of people need it for herd carry on.
Hancock. Yes…[pause] absolutely then some general thought fragments not amounting to a full complete sentence.

Peter Hyatt famously pointed out a reinforced Yes undermines it’s credibility and trustworthiness. Hancock is hiding or concealing something in his answer on Marr. I suggest he knows it’s tanking.

See Richard D Hall for more on Peter Hyatts brilliant statement analysis work.

348811 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 7, #721 of 2354 🔗

99%? Utter bollocks.

348821 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to leggy, 5, #722 of 2354 🔗

99% need vaccine for the herd immunity to be achieved from one of the vaccines – possibly moderna. That was what I got from Marrs question. He said 99% which is as you say utter bollocks, but that’s clear it’s marr on bbc I was talking about so a given.

My point was the language used by hancock is concealing a truth. For any sceptics who have found value in Peter Hyatts work the marr interview of hancock is expressly interesting from the statement analysis point of view.

In short whatever bollocks marr said was not important, HOW hancock replied is.

348828 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basics, 3, #723 of 2354 🔗

I’ve mentioned before that it would be fascinating to get The Behaviour Panel or, as you say Peter Hyatt, doing a whole series on the Whitty/Hancock/Johnson presentations. Watched one of PH’s recently and it was illuminating.

348854 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 2, #724 of 2354 🔗

Book of the week is about a behavioural scientist. BBC R4 08.45 daily.

I was busy so didn’t hear much but today was about early use of computer modelling to predict individual and group behaviour from buying a washing machine to boring intention.

348938 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #725 of 2354 🔗

‘Voting intentions’ 🙄

348856 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 1, #726 of 2354 🔗

Any links?

349315 ▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Basics, #728 of 2354 🔗

Herd immunity demands 70% immunity.

So a 90% efficacy vaccine demands 77.8% take-up. Which might just about be possible in the UK but probably won’t be in the US or France given the recent IPSOS poll on public attitudes to vaccination around the world.

Which then begs the question – what ON EARTH happens then…?

348827 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Basics, 3, #729 of 2354 🔗

Richard D Hall is great.

348822 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #730 of 2354 🔗

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.04.21249236v2
Saliva viral load is a dynamic unifying correlate of COVID-19 severity and mortality
“We found that saliva viral load was significantly higher in those with COVID-19 risk factors; that it correlated with increasing levels of disease severity and showed a superior ability over nasopharyngeal viral load as a predictor of mortality over time (AUC=0.90).”
“Together these results demonstrated that viral load, as measured by saliva but not nasopharyngeal, is a dynamic unifying correlate of disease presentation, severity, and mortality over time.

By a coincidence found this article today from Bangladesh
http://www.bioresearchcommunications.com/index.php/brc/article/view/176/159
https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1348340326709256195

In a Bangladeshi randomized-controlled trail (n=606), Povidone Iodine 1% (betadine) taken in ear/nose drops and mouth gargle reduces Covid-19 hospitalizations by 84%, mortality by 88%. It seems to simply zap the virus if taken early.

The Bangladeshi treated in a RCT about 300 persons(10 % was 70-90 years!) with this Betadine mouth wash 4 times daily, same in nose drops and eyedrops. They did this for  4 weeks.The other 300 used only warm water.
The results above.
This can’t be true. The study must be flawed. But then found the above article saying the virus load in the saliva is extremely high. Perhaps these third world doctors are in to something after all?
Too good to be true?
A betadine lozenges a day keep the corona away.

348852 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 5, #731 of 2354 🔗

Too good to be discussed more like it.

348865 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to swedenborg, 9, #732 of 2354 🔗

Thanks for this information. I think we will see more of this sort of thing – the developing world will be far more sensible in dealing with the Rona, using cost-effective treatments and getting on with things. Hypochondriacs in the West, however, will demand an end to all forms of death and will string the situation out for far longer. Big Pharma has plenty to gain in the West, even if the developing world has figured this scam out.

348936 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #733 of 2354 🔗

Parts of the developing world have also already suffered the depredations of the Gates project.

348971 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #734 of 2354 🔗

https://twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1348289299469500417

This is a serious C-19 scientists with also the renewed interest in saliva in a long twitter thread explaining the focus on saliva. Perhaps also explains the LFT test are better than PCR? RIP PCR?

348993 ▶▶ ituex, replying to swedenborg, 2, #735 of 2354 🔗

There was a study a while ago about mouthwash killing virus in tests. I think they were going to start clinical testing, wasn’t in UK of course.

348824 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 24, #736 of 2354 🔗

Another candidate for the biggest fool in this lousy government. Nadhim Zahawi suggesting the danger of meeting others in parks. Either the guy is a brainwashed idiot, or joining the queue for position in a permanent authoritarian state control government.

348830 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to nottingham69, 21, #737 of 2354 🔗

They’ve got an obsession about stopping people talking to each other, its almost childlike

348997 ▶▶▶ DThom, replying to DanClarke, 1, #738 of 2354 🔗

The only reason for closing hospitality!

349011 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to DanClarke, 3, #739 of 2354 🔗

Not really childlike.

Free assembly and free speech is how lunatics like these get overthrown. They know that, hence no gatherings, pubs, events, etc.

We should be fully aware of this too.

350120 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Foster, replying to JohnB, #740 of 2354 🔗

JohnB,
We should indeed. The Magisterium will surely have LS in their sights by now.

348841 ▶▶ RickH, replying to nottingham69, 10, #741 of 2354 🔗

I think the main disease at the moment is the ubiquity of fantasizing sociopaths hiding behind public health and epidemiology labels.

348859 ▶▶ Kat, replying to nottingham69, 3, #742 of 2354 🔗

The danger of meeting others in parks as opposed to meeting in the House of Commons or in cabinet meeting rooms.

348869 ▶▶ chaos, replying to nottingham69, 4, #743 of 2354 🔗

He’s the vaccine minister.. he also created YouGov… strange that.

348965 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to nottingham69, #744 of 2354 🔗

He’s an excellent barometer if you want to understand the establishment view.

He’s not useful for anything else. I’m not even convinced a sentient being occupies his body, it may merely be a human shell for a robot mind.

348825 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 13, #745 of 2354 🔗

“This pandemic has taken at least 80,000 lives. It’s cost the NHS £1 billion a week, the UK economy £5.3 billion a week and its seen jobs losses running at 23,000 week.”
£6.3b per week equals £327b per year & 1.2m job losses – How many lives have you saved??
This is beyond sheer incompetence, it is pure stupidity!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/11/stricter-lockdown-measures-boris-johnson-schools-news-labour/

348834 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to TheClone, 6, #746 of 2354 🔗

How many lives saved for £367b per year + 1.2m job losses?
Let’s say 1m saved lives – it means £367,000 + 1 job loss per saved life. Discuss!

348906 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to TheClone, #747 of 2354 🔗

Hey, but that one life!

348845 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheClone, 17, #748 of 2354 🔗

They have saved none, simply deferred the deaths of some miserably ill very old people but without the comfort of their relatives bring on hand.

348870 ▶▶ Janette, replying to TheClone, 6, #749 of 2354 🔗

It’s pure evil. They know exactly what they are doing!

348829 Alan P, replying to Alan P, 2, #750 of 2354 🔗

Genuine questions. Would like people to comment and/or hopefully answer.

If someone gets tested and the result is positive are they retesting 7, 10, 14 days after in order to return to work, school, etc? And if they retest and the result is still positive, does that count as a new ‘case’?

348840 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Alan P, 13, #751 of 2354 🔗

As far as I know, each positive test counts as a new ‘case’.

Every single statitical angle is being exploited to increase fear and justify restrictions.

348861 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Alan P, 3, #752 of 2354 🔗

Yes

348863 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Alan P, 3, #753 of 2354 🔗

This from here. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

Cases by specimen dateUK total
By nation
Number of people with at least one positive COVID-19 test result (either lab-reported or lateral flow device), by specimen date. Individuals tested positive more than once are only counted once, on the date of their first positive test.

348876 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Alan P, 2, #754 of 2354 🔗

So one answer is no, only the first case counts. Two more answers say yes, each test counts as new.

which is it?

348886 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Alan P, 3, #755 of 2354 🔗

If they test pos on a Monday and a Friday, that would be two ‘cases’, as the testing cycle runs Thurs to Weds, so they are in different weeks.

348888 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Alan P, 1, #756 of 2354 🔗

In Scottish data they report all positive tests then give the figure for first-time positives.

348833 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 6, #757 of 2354 🔗

Any MP’s still around (as representatives)?

350101 ▶▶ Steve Foster, replying to DanClarke, #758 of 2354 🔗

I think there are sixteen of them remaining; the rest have been morally and intellectually neutered.

348836 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 25, #759 of 2354 🔗

Genuine question… why isn’t the Church of England doing more to fight the obvious oppression of religion by communist propaganda? Speaking as an atheist, I support everyone’s right to personal choice of religion if it doesn’t impact on anyone else’s human rights. Are they as brainwashed as the rest? We need religious dissenters to rise up!

348846 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #760 of 2354 🔗

The Church of England clerics gave up believing in Christianity long ago.

348864 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #761 of 2354 🔗

All the religions have pretty much made themselves obsolete by ignoring their own Gods and saying the state is the highest power. Worship of the state (particularly the NHS) seems to be the national religion. Also, why are religious leaders telling their followers to take the vaccines – who made them experts? have they researched the ingredients? which ofter contradict their religious beliefs.

The CoE and Catholic church supporting the Great Reset and BLM/Antifa protestors whilst staying silent on the brutal treatment of anti lockdown protestors is shameful.

348878 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, 6, #762 of 2354 🔗

The Pope shilling for the vaccine was a bit of a shocker.

348898 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Darryl, 8, #763 of 2354 🔗

In this country, that seems to be the case.

The Orthodox Churches do seem to be doing better this time around, at least in their ‘home’ countries.

The Greek Church is defying the state’s latest lockdown. The Serbian Church is acting normally and the state is not attempting enforcement. I am not sure of the situation in Russia, but the official voice of the Russian Church is full of praise for the Serbian Church, so I imagine things are not different there.

348979 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #764 of 2354 🔗

Church of Wales has basically shut up shop and disappeared. Useless. no attempt to see if their congregation is OK – it’s not as if there are thousands of us in this parish – a couple of dozen at most.

349305 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #765 of 2354 🔗

It comes down to your definition of kindness. Save granny or save all the people that are going to be affected by saving her. Emotion versus utilitarianism. Basically our definition of humanity has been politicised. The people on this forum are not cruel or hard-hearted or wish anyone dead. We just have a different approach to the government’s about the acceptable cost of chasing this virus. The CoE has opted to agree with the government’s approach. I just could not see it arguing in the face of images of the dying in Covid wards, however logical.

349360 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to jhfreedom, #766 of 2354 🔗

Maybe no one will pay attention until 60,000 children have killed themselves because they see no future. Maybe no one will pay attention until a few more million die of poverty. Maybe no one will pay attention until there are half-dead victims of abuse roaming the streets writhing in pain. Maybe no one will pay attention until every maskless face has been shot between the eyes at point blank range. Maybe no one will pay attention until there are cages of filthy human beings who’ve refused to be injected with experimental genetically modifying drugs being carted off to the detention centres to be “vaccinated”. Maybe we need something more dramatic, something that makes better click bait than an increase of people dying from pneumonia to engage those who have previously claimed to CARE but are really pathetic cowards who will do whatever they are told to SIGNAL they are decent rather than BE decent. Real decency is not a matter of opinion, it is an act of humanitarian courage. I may be an atheist but I believe a decent guy known as Jesus once stood up to totalitarian bullies… and his courage has been co-opted and bastardised by the virtue signallers ever since. We need a living Messiah. Any suggestions?!

348838 chaos, replying to chaos, 16, #767 of 2354 🔗

I’m trying to buy a bunch of bike parts for a friend’s bike.. I have never seen so few bike parts available.. I have never seen Chain Reaction (one of the largest bike shops in the world – if not the largest) so empty.. but it’s the same everywhere…

Does Boris just hate people? Is this his revenge for a fucked up upbringing?

348882 ▶▶ RickH, replying to chaos, 9, #768 of 2354 🔗

An interesting final question.

What seems to be the case is that weird sociopaths and psychopaths seem to have come to dominate both the political and medical-academic scene … with the overwhelming assent of the public (please don’t tell me about the ‘wisdom of crowds’ and other populist garbage!).

349119 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to chaos, 1, #769 of 2354 🔗

Do you think it is more supply issues or just that more people are cycling now?

349312 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Nobody2021, #770 of 2354 🔗

it is both.

348843 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 29, #771 of 2354 🔗

Blimey, they’re getting bloody desperate. Just been told by a customer that the benches outside Costa have been removed. Can’t have pesky coffee drinkers gathering, can we.

348853 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 28, #772 of 2354 🔗

It’s almost like they want people not congregating to question the narrative????

348860 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to stefarm, 11, #773 of 2354 🔗

Exactly

348872 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Janette, 11, #774 of 2354 🔗

💯 % it’s so predictable

348879 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to stefarm, 10, #775 of 2354 🔗

Yes – nothing to do with ”catching something”. Everything to do now with keeping us apart for other reasons.

What do you think the Morlocks have in mind for us?

348944 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Banjones, 7, #776 of 2354 🔗

I’ve read a technical report that says 5G needs a 2m separation distance between devices to get a good fix on each individual device.

Closer than that and it clumps them all together.

Also like in pubs if you are not bale to meetand talk to people you cannot find out how many others feel the same way you do and forment trouble.

348957 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #777 of 2354 🔗

I also heard that the diamond princess cruise ship was trialling 5g

348968 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to stefarm, 1, #778 of 2354 🔗

It was, first time it had been used at sea in this setting. princess Cruises were boasting about it.

Here’s a bit of technical analysis about it’s effects on teh ship etc:

https://alchemistcook.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-potential-dangers-of-5g-radiation.html

348951 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Banjones, 8, #779 of 2354 🔗

Me….the Australian model. Full curfew, masks outdoors, 1 hour of exercise, no mixing with other households.

Nicola Mugabe is banning takeaways which will increase deliveroo profits which is part owned by Amazon. Surprise surprise.

Then again what do I know but we must keep strong and look after ourselves.

348923 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 2, #780 of 2354 🔗

Same here, Subway, Dominos and Costa all share a carpark, all have removed their exterior seating so everyone just sits on the low wall surrounding the car park.

348930 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 3, #781 of 2354 🔗

Time to unearth the picnic (!) chairs and tables.

349308 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 1, #782 of 2354 🔗

Costa protecting themselves probably, my local Italian wine/coffee shop has had phone calls from Council because people who had bought his coffee were sitting on public benches on market day. The insanity intensifies.

348844 Basics, replying to Basics, 22, #783 of 2354 🔗

One for stefarm and the empty ambulance races. All weekend not a siren heard here. Monday morning cometh and many sirens heard.

Report from a nursery staff friend who had need to call an ambulance from a nursery. Two hours of calling to try to get an ambulance. Covid discussed at length by call handler. In the end a taxi took the person to A and E. Nine hours later an ambulance crew phoned my friend saying they were at the nursery premises which was locked and empty – it was 10pm at night.

It seems to me the crew needed to attend and phone to check all was dealt with to tick boxes.

348849 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Basics, 12, #784 of 2354 🔗

If you ring your GP surgery or for an ambulance.. and perhaps you have cancer, stage 4 even.. or the beginnings of ALS.. or MS.. something serious.. you will be greeted with that message covid blah blah blah… I have said many times, the bed-wetting over covid must be seen in a strange way by those dying or ill with very serious and real illnesses…

348850 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 5, #785 of 2354 🔗

Invoice the NHS for the taxi fare

348851 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Basics, 13, #786 of 2354 🔗

I have been setting my watch by the ambulance, siren on, that drives down (towards town) every morning for the last few weeks. On the first day of lockdown, it had two buddies – had been parked in the car park near the centre of town, pulled out slowly, then sirens on going in the same direction. It’s deliberate fear mongering to imply Covid admissions. It is clear from the dashboard, there are not many in my area.

348915 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #787 of 2354 🔗

They did that a lot in my area during lockdown .1 but yet in this one.

348847 New name old face, replying to New name old face, 2, #788 of 2354 🔗

I think our police force sounds rather sensible https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1348583287015550978

348950 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to New name old face, 5, #789 of 2354 🔗

“it feels like everyone hates us” – We do. Sorry not sorry.

348867 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 4, #790 of 2354 🔗

Bodies being stored at temporary mortuary in Surrey. I got an appointment at a hospital in Leatherhead, had to go private to get an urgent one, but it was within a couple of days, opening more private hospitals over the years that are filled with doctors and nurses seems to be why the nhs is failing, they don’t want to work for the nhs when there are better options. Its not a shortage of medical staff, they are all elsewhere.

348885 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DanClarke, 1, #791 of 2354 🔗

Somewhere on my Google feed had ‘NHS criticize Private Sector for doing non-essential work’ this morning.

348918 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to karenovirus, 8, #792 of 2354 🔗

Moving the blame again. The NHS deserve everything they get, an utterly inefficient money pit.

348931 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to karenovirus, 1, #793 of 2354 🔗

I did comment on the Torygraph article but it now seems to have been removed that the NHS has bought space in operating theatres and wards in private hospitals which remain empty and unused so doctors are moving to other hospitals which are not contracted out or hiring rooms to see patients in places such as Harley St.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/10/pandemic-has-increased-ambulance-waiting-times-fivefold-says/

348975 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to alw, 1, #794 of 2354 🔗

NHS has bought all of the space in my local private hospital. This means the private hospital can only do consultations but no operating or imaging. So basically now nobody can get treatment NHS or private.

349292 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to DanClarke, 1, #795 of 2354 🔗

It’s not quite that simple. Private consultants have to do some NHS work too. And it’s not like private nurses get paid double NHS rates and create shortages.

The reality is that there aren’t enough people getting into nursing, period. The NHS should pay a joining bonus for new nurses and a retention bonus for existing nurses. It would have been cheaper than track and trace…

348883 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 14, #796 of 2354 🔗

Current moving 7-day average of ‘CV deaths’.

Sweden: 9
Germany 886
UK: 915

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden

348891 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to rockoman, 8, #797 of 2354 🔗

Also Sweden 25th in deaths per million pop. UK 9th

348902 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jonny S., 20, #798 of 2354 🔗

The argument is over.

Lockdowns and masks do nothing except wreck society and economy.

348958 ▶▶ Janette, replying to rockoman, 2, #799 of 2354 🔗

But presumably that is with Covid and not just Covid??

349057 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to rockoman, 2, #800 of 2354 🔗

FFS, all we need is for one of the meeja fuckwits to ask this, and only this (so Bozo can’t do his usual of answering the two fucking stupid questions and ignoring the one with a sliver of public interest). If Peston etc asked this then whole house of cards could blow over.

348892 willhhand, replying to willhhand, 44, #801 of 2354 🔗

Sat here up on lovely Dartmoor all quite relaxed and stress free. Lucky me eh? But I am bitterly angry about what they are doing to our country. Talking about masking outdoors are we? Well you are welcome to come up onto Dartmoor and find me on a drizzly, misty day and catch me outside maskless walking for several hours with my dog LOL. Or you could catch me maskless in my local town out shopping, I don’t give a fuck. Fine me? well I won’t pay. Tell me off? yeah, yeah, yeah now go away. Us rural folk don’t tolerate shite very well. And some of the farmers up here have guns, just saying!

348908 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to willhhand, 3, #802 of 2354 🔗

Chances of coming across a copper in Woolsfardisworthy are what precisely ?

348925 ▶▶▶ willhhand, replying to karenovirus, 10, #803 of 2354 🔗

In lockdown 1 we had a police helicopter buzzing around for a few days. I waved at it one day and it flew lower. So I waved again, it then flew away. Coppers do occasionally come up in their cars but normally just to eat their sandwiches, but there are many isolated spots where people cannot be seen. Rural areas cannot be policed – they know that, ha ha ha .

349045 ▶▶ Basics, replying to willhhand, 2, #804 of 2354 🔗

Your are more at risk from the grimpen mire hound than anything ‘real’.

348899 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 16, #805 of 2354 🔗

https://amgreatness.com/2021/01/09/the-virtue-of-the-new-totalitarians

If we understand Robespierre, “we understand that it is utterly useless to appeal to reason and morality in dealing with ideologues. For they are convinced that reason and morality are on their side and that their enemies are irrational and immoral simply because they are enemies.”

Andy Warhol meets George Orwell: “In the future everybody will be a cop for 15 minutes.”

“The woke world is a world of snitches, informants, rats. Go to any space concerned with social justice and what will you find? Endless surveillance. Everybody is to be judged. Everyone is under suspicion. Everything you say is to be scoured, picked over, analyzed for any possible offense. Everyone’s a detective in the Division of Problematics, and they walk the beat 24/7. You search and search for someone Bad doing Bad Things, finding ways to indict writers and artists and ordinary people for something, anything. That movie that got popular? Give me a few hours and 800 words. I’ll get you your indictments. That’s what liberalism is, now — the search for baddies doing bad things, like little offense archaeologists, digging deeper and deeper to find out who’s Good and who’s Bad.”

348916 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to JayBee, 5, #806 of 2354 🔗

And none, absolutely none, of it improves the life of a single person one iota.

348924 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JayBee, 9, #807 of 2354 🔗

Which is why the Woke culture is the perfect accompaniment to a totalitarian system of governance.

349289 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Richard O, 1, #808 of 2354 🔗

But the snitching was fun and the feeling of virtuousness semi-orgasmic.

348900 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 9, #809 of 2354 🔗

Looks like the old bill have reached herd immunity! They consistently demonstrate they don’t fear the virus. They’ve been in tight, big groups and up in people’s faces like deranged madmen from day one.

One wonders if a ‘gross negligence’ case can be made given we’re supposed to be ‘saving lives’ not putting them at risk!

349296 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to common conservative, 1, #810 of 2354 🔗

Would like to see the same done for all the major supermarkets too.

350089 ▶▶ DomW, replying to common conservative, #811 of 2354 🔗

I think that was up to May 31st, but the bulk of the “first wave” had passed by then

https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/af/accessing-information/published-items?q=01.FOI.20.014369

348903 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #812 of 2354 🔗

Local GP surgery will be vaccinating Sat and Sun 12 hours a day covering the lists of 4 other surrounding practices.
What is the need for 7 Regional Super vaxxing Stations ?

348911 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to karenovirus, 7, #813 of 2354 🔗

Show piece, like Nightingales

348948 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to DanClarke, 6, #814 of 2354 🔗

One of BJs mates will have got the contract to set them up.

348907 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 40, #815 of 2354 🔗

I actually kind of hope they tell us we can only go out once a week because it will be the tipping point for mass non compliance.

I have two horses at stables on the other side of the village. At this time of year they have to be in at night which means I have to go over there twice a day come rain, sun, snow, plague or police. Similarly with dog owners and small holders with animals to tend. Nevermind all those little things we take for granted like being able to post a letter, pick up odds and sods from the shop that you forgot in the main shop.

I will continue to make common sense judgements that balance my mental and physical health, work and family as I have done for my entire adult life. If that means I break the “rules” so be it.

348926 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 22, #816 of 2354 🔗

I don’t know, we’ve been expecting/hoping for the “tipping point for mass non-compliance” for months now and seems increasingly like waiting for Godot.

349496 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to mattghg, 2, #817 of 2354 🔗

I agree but if you look around you there are little signs of spring in people’s behaviour. In our village it seemed very much as if normal service had bent resumed. Yes the usual fanatics are still sounding off on social media but plenty of people had visitors round. Lots of kids out and about. A quail randomly appeared in someone’s garden with half the village rallying round to catch and rehome it. We all Trekkies round with support and hugs when a horse died suddenly of colic at the farm. And a lot of the people I know full well talk a good war about compliance but in reality they are starting to bend the rules to suit their needs.

348909 Markus Skepticus, replying to Markus Skepticus, 23, #818 of 2354 🔗

Absolute chaos in Scotland with much of the country’s schoolchildren unable to access any online learning. I’ve got my youngest at work with me today, set him up with a wee desk in my office, and he’s just doing mental arithmetic on a notebook and reading some of his book…He’s muttering about wishing he was at school, that it would be easier etc.

Good to see the Scottish government has, once again, completely failed to make sure children receive an education.

348945 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Markus Skepticus, 13, #819 of 2354 🔗

In a land of cunts, the SNP are the worst.

348984 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Markus Skepticus, 6, #820 of 2354 🔗

As someone who works in Scottish higher education, I can see the outcome of the ‘Curriculum for Excellence’ (most of us would substitute ‘Excrement’ for the last word there) on a regular basis. University students have little initiative or sense of agency, not to mention the ability to construct proper sentences and paragraphs, let alone arguments. It’s been a disaster for some time and a prominent SNP MP I interviewed actually agreed that it was shite and said that they should have abandoned the curriculum (which they inherited from the Lib/Lab coalition, to be fair) once they came to power in 2007.

Public services here, in general, are rubbish and getting worse. Still, with our Dear Leader’s grip on much of the population, the SNP will probably win the next election (assuming it goes ahead). Much has been made of the rift between Sturgeon and Salmond in the media, but I suspect that nothing will come of it. We’ll see.

349001 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Tom in Scotland, 6, #821 of 2354 🔗

It is not just Scotland. I tutored pre-honours students last year at a Scottish university and most of my students were English. My philosophy was ‘we’ll do what you want to do’ as I planned out the seminars and I gave plenty of space for the students to direct how we spent their time (and due to the restrictions, their only period of interaction with actual people). I was continually disappointed at how little input they wanted into their own time. I suppose some of it is that most are only there to ‘get the degree’ or because they had nothing better to do, but I concluded that much of the reason for their reticence was that they, having come straight from school, were used to being spoon-fed information that they would be expected to reproduce in an exam. They were not taught how to think for themselves, anyway, and it was almost a lost cause trying to explain to them the process of constructing an argument.

349108 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to jb12, 3, #822 of 2354 🔗

Thanks for the comment. Yes, I was at an English university before coming to Scotland and it was bad there, too. It’s not just the writing problems; as you say, it’s the lack of initiative. I just can’t believe it, yet it does explain a lot when trying to understand how we got into the mess we’re in with the Rona. Just give people soma (social media, online fims/TV, the ability to work from home, etc) and pay most of their salaries. I despair. Western civilisation was a good thing, in my opinion, but it’s clearly on its way out now.

349383 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #823 of 2354 🔗

Agreed. I am just not in a good place mentally when I think of what might replace it. I used to, naturally, adhere to a Stoic way of carrying myself, but as the months pass, I am finding it increasingly difficult to keep an inner harmony as society’s facade has fallen away to reveal the antithesis of the thinking, considerate community it pretended to be. My biggest disappointment, as with the students in my group, is the complete unthinking acceptance of what is a very shaky narrative coming from the government. I might be (and hope I am) wrong about the future, but the ease with which this collapse has occurred suggests that I am not.

349056 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom in Scotland, #824 of 2354 🔗

The SNP plucked up their ‘further education is written in stone pledge’ rock early on in the plandemic. I thought there was a touch of honest admission about failures, only a touch. I was wrong, the stunt was camoflage under which to bury news.

349215 ▶▶▶ eptwll, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #825 of 2354 🔗

There are very similar problems in the Republic of Ireland, as well. The level of basic writing skills in the majority of first-year English students is practically nil . They have no knowledge of grammar, usage, thesis construction. For many, their reading skills are so lacking that leading them through the processes of close reading is an exercise in frustration for both myself and the students. More depressingly, all they want is a summary of a piece of literature – enough to get them through an exam. I surmise that this basic inability to understand and analyse the written word, with a concomitant lack in basic numeracy, is the reason so many in the general public cannot understand how disproportionate is the response to the virus. All they hear is the narrative that is blasted repeatedly at them – very similar to my students who don’t want an understanding, just a summary.

349053 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Markus Skepticus, 3, #826 of 2354 🔗

Noose is tightening on swinney and sturgeon overnight with new disclosures.

348910 Dermot McClatchey, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 5, #827 of 2354 🔗

Pro-Government trolls out in force BTL on the DM today. First time I’ve noticed evidence of their presence there. Vastly incresed number of downticks to sceptical postings- although I suppose that could just be a sign that the latest dose of Kool-Aid is working.

348987 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 4, #828 of 2354 🔗

B77?

348913 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 8, #829 of 2354 🔗

The Mail online says (And Jonathan Barr thinks this is ‘worth reading’) :

Their concerns came as hordes of people were seen flocking to beaches and town centres over the weekend…

That would be to take advantage of the lovely January weather and the extraordinary wealth of shopping opportunities in town centres these days no doubt.

AND, he’s recommending an article that says, in effect, please don’t punish us we’ve been really good, observing your lockdown rules faithfully.

(Sarcasm alert)
That’s the sort of thing we really need on a website called ‘Lockdown Sceptics’ isn’t it.
How about a rebrand? ‘Pathetic Whingers’ might cut it.

AG

348920 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #830 of 2354 🔗

Suggesting people read things so they know what is going on outside their silos should surely be encouraged. We are always quick to criticise the group think on the other side.

348927 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 80, #831 of 2354 🔗

I had an interesting chat with a fried of mine who works in the Great Ormond street hospital. I have not spoken to her in 4 months so wanted to check if all was ok with her (mental health wise) She told me that it feels like a warzone out there and then proceed to go on a 15 min rant that felt more like a Nazi rally speech ( lock everybody in, call the army, punish dissent, 1 outing a week for food, if caught out arrest immediately and lock up etc) After she finished I tried to be reasonable and said this is all complete BS and she needs to calm the fuck down. I then told her I spent Saturday in the park with my family. She started screaming that is people like me with blood on their hands, that I want to kill off sick and old people. I then told her to fuck off, I might of called her a c**t ,don’t remember. Anyway my friendship is now finished., hey it was 22 years so short right .Fuck the fact that her brother was in the forces with me and that he died in my arms, trifle? People are completely brainwashed, NHS is now cult , I mean FULL ON, they all blame us the public for all their woes and soon it will get even worse. But other than that, a good weekend.

348941 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Thomas_E, 30, #832 of 2354 🔗

Well done. What a complete bitch. Amazing what brainwashing can do to the human mind.

Clearly the NHS utterly despise the British people. The whole fucking thing needs to razed to the ground.

349069 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Richard O, 11, #833 of 2354 🔗

I imagine she is a victim of the psychological abuse we all sustain. If people are told they are overwhelmed, at breaking point and putting their lives at risk every moment of the day, then they will surely believe it sooner or later.

348970 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Thomas_E, 12, #834 of 2354 🔗

Don’t forget – our purpose is to protect the NHS, not the opposite, ever. She sounds like a lost cause unfortunately.

348996 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Thomas_E, 14, #835 of 2354 🔗

What did she share about Great Ormond Hospital Covid related? Old patients, young patients… more ICU beds occupied, longer bed occupancy, shortages of staff… anything even mildly critical?

It beggars belief that people who work in the NHS will not even remotely try and lay blame at the government for the disastrous state the NHS is in. Instead, they eat the words of their punisher “blame the populace”. I also question their medical competency if people can actually suggest locking people in further without oxygen from outside, without sunshine, without exercise, is actually going to make anyone healthier – in the short and in the longterm.

The NHS is at the critical point it is because everyone remotely in tune with government policies from the last 10 years would have noticed that if ANYTHING BIG came its way, the NHS would falter. It needs re-working, re-structuring and re-organisation on a grand scale level. If we had 1/3 more bed occupancy than we have now, would anyone scream remotely as loud?

And I am sorry you lost a friend. But maybe this bifurcation of the ways just needs to happen. You can’t love insane people back to sanity, reality will need to bite them, and badly, for regaining their senses – if ever.

349005 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Pebbles, 10, #836 of 2354 🔗

If we ever get to the point of Nuremberg-style trials, I think there will need to be a reckoning for many NHS staff who have contributed to this. After the leadership have been dealt with of course.

349039 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 1, #837 of 2354 🔗

bed occupancy > available beds was what I wanted to say… sorry typo.

349275 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Pebbles, #838 of 2354 🔗

Great Ormond Street is a children’s hospital (I’m assuming you’re not in UK, it’s the most famous one here).

https://www.nhs.uk/Services/hospitals/Overview/DefaultView.aspx?id=1097

349007 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Thomas_E, 17, #839 of 2354 🔗

I’m sorry to hear this. Yes, the brainwashing has been powerful, but I still blame people for not using that supercomputer in their head – a brain. This is especially true if they have a connection to the NHS. I just don’t think we should let people off the hook. They need to be held responsible for their own stupidity.

When it comes to dealing with people, I’ve tried to be courteous with friends and acquaintances, but I won’t concede anything and do try to push the truth delicately whenever possible. If they don’t like it, tough. I have lost most of my friends but cannot put up with Covidians and will never agree that two plus two equals five. They can get stuffed.

Regarding the NHS, I suspect that it will never be same after this. Yes, it’s a cult for some, but others have seen through it and the shit will really hit the fan once the figures come out for cancer deaths and other preventable problems. It could play into the hands of those who want to cut the NHS down to size and introduce a private insurance system more widely. To be honest, this could end up more like what you see in most European countries and might be a lot better.

348929 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 13, #840 of 2354 🔗

Zoe update

latest measured R = 0.88 (6th Jan) – dropping almost perfectly linearly from its peak on 17th Dec – unaffected by lockdown

daily new infections today 2875 less than yesterday

overall infectious in society increased by only 595 today over yesterday – still looking good for peak infectious in society tomorrow 12th Jan (peak new infections was the 7th)

348935 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #841 of 2354 🔗

all cause deaths nothing special for this time of year

graph is from Public health England National influenza and COVID-19 report (ie official stats) – page 61

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/950424/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w1_FINAL.PDF

348960 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #842 of 2354 🔗

baseline is the average over the last 5 years. not that useful – you will always be above or below it. what you need to know is ‘is it unusual to be that far above or below?’

this is where 2SD and 3SD come in. if you plot a histogram of the number of deaths over the last bunch of years for that day, the SD is the standard deviation from the mean – the width of the histogram

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation

being within a couple of standard deviations of the mean is pretty common (happens 95% of the time by chance). being out from the mean by 3SD is rarer – would only happen .2% of the time by chance – could happen by chance – but would usually mean something else is involved

from the graph above, apart from the Spring peak – annual deaths are not significantly different from the mean

348992 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 5, #843 of 2354 🔗

The problem with averages in this context is that the pattern of mortality isn’t linear. To some extent, a longer average compensates, but its diffucult to avoid. I’ve tended to use 27 years to get a better historical perspective. Certainly, 5 years is far too short.

The other useful measure is to plot the weekly totals for the maximum and minimum years over that lengthier period. That tends to give a good running perspective.

But – whatever – the hard fact always remains that the summer to winter period shows absolutely no anomalous mortality comparable to the April spike. It’s unfortunate that we always have a time-lag in mapping the reality, whilst the myth-makers just manipulate data.

349030 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 2, #844 of 2354 🔗

Yes, I agree. I’ve been looking at weekly all cause from 2010 to now. I can’t find previous years on the ONS website.

“t he hard fact always remains that the summer to winter period shows absolutely no anomalous mortality comparable to the April spike” – 100% true

“It’s unfortunate that we always have a time-lag in mapping the reality, whilst the myth-makers just manipulate data.” – yes – except for the Zoe data which is real time and showed (before first lockdown) that we didn’t need it – ditto for next 2 lockdowns. Hence they never show Zoe graphs at the briefings

348961 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 5, #845 of 2354 🔗

“all cause deaths nothing special for this time of year”

They are even less special if a better (longer) ‘baseline’ is used rather than the 5-year MA.

We get the last week of the year tomorrow.

348969 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 3, #846 of 2354 🔗

yes, but because of Christmas and reporting delays it won’t be very insightful. better will be the updated PHE daily all cause mortality update on Friday

349002 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 2, #847 of 2354 🔗

I don’t think that the PHE figures are ‘better’ – even if sooner, although the reporting delays at this time of year are a pain.

348947 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 3, #848 of 2354 🔗

Has anyone correlated results from the ZOE app with episodes of hysteria induction?

348966 ▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 2, #849 of 2354 🔗

Zoe is extremely reassuring.

348978 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, 1, #850 of 2354 🔗

yes, its likely R is already levelling out at 0.6 or so – will know in 5 days. seems to be a replica of season 1

348989 ▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 2, #851 of 2354 🔗

If Zoe is accurate we should get a fairly good estimate of the IFR. If the peak is roughly 840,000 then IFR of 0.1% should see a peak of “deaths” at 840 which looks about right. If only they were listening to Spector rather than China’s stooge Ferguson.

349019 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, 4, #852 of 2354 🔗

but 840,000 is currently infectious. you’d need to find daily new deaths divided by daily new infections

but zoe only does symptomatic and daily deaths are mainly ‘with’ not ‘of’

at a stab, 200 deaths a day (difference between current all cause mortality and 5 year baseline and assumes this is covid rather than lockdown – false in my view) divided by 60,000 = 0.33%. if half of cases are asymptomatic then its 0.15%.

its very difficult to work out – but if you play around doing it in various ways you tend to come out <0.3% ie like CDC and not like Ferguson. The big question is how many people get it and we aren’t counting them? Its unknown – but we do know Ferguson is a cunt and 0.91% was about as high as you can get by fudging the numbers because you want to make a scene and get on telly

349055 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #853 of 2354 🔗

done another way. govt reckons 1 in 50 infectious. thats 1.3 million. 10 days infectiousness means 130,000 new per day (double Zoe which means 50% asymptomatic). 200 deaths per day gives 0.15%. it cant be more than 200 a day because of all cause mortality being what it is and even 200 is too high (still seeing deaths from cancer missed etc)

349340 ▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to steve_w, 1, #854 of 2354 🔗

Deaths in three weeks time is roughly today’s cases/50.

349194 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Will, 1, #855 of 2354 🔗

The problem is that ZOE data is based on symptoms (i.e. true) whereas the Ministry of Truth use PCR test figures. They then push the whole asymptomatic spreader fantasy for which there is no real evidence, we just have to take their word for it. All the ads say ‘people with no symptoms are spreading it’. Asymptomatic is about 4 syllables to long for the average sheep.

349014 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steve_w, 3, #856 of 2354 🔗

And yet, it will be roundly ignored by the government as ever.

348933 Cecil B, 24, #857 of 2354 🔗

How the dictatorship is run

1 Dictator decides what he wants to do. Lets say he wants the first born in every family to be slaughtered

2 Get you bent mate to run a poll. The result of the poll coincidently proves that the population are in favour of their first born being slaughtered

3 Tell everyone in the bunker that you personally are against slaughtering the first born. However we need to put emotion aside and give the people what they want

4 Slaughter the first born for the greater good

5 The proles applaud their great leader

6 Hunt down the selfish who have hidden their first born

348937 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 16, #858 of 2354 🔗

To use a well worn humorous analogy to indicate mental incapacity, those who are promoting lockdown are several sandwiches and at least two hot drinks short of a picnic.

349026 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #859 of 2354 🔗

Don’t you mean a couple of mint teas short of a picnic?

349219 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #860 of 2354 🔗

Couple of coffees.

348939 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #861 of 2354 🔗

More health lies…. 😉

Daily Mail: Health: Lots of oral sex at a young age increases the risk of HPV-related mouth and throat cancer.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9133745/Health-Lots-oral-sex-young-age-increases-risk-HPV-related-mouth-throat-cancer.html

348952 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #862 of 2354 🔗

This suggestion has been around for several years. Why are they resurrecting it again now, I wonder.

349023 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Tenchy, 2, #863 of 2354 🔗

Because vaccination is on the cusp of being the next tobacco and the more you damage everyone’s health, the harder it is to find a “control” group.

Also, I imagine the birth rate has dropped off a cliff. I can’t be the only one being bombarded with babies on Pinterest, where they think I’m a mere 30 years old, (because who discloses actual personal info to Pinterest, in return for some interiors inspo?).

349075 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #864 of 2354 🔗

I wonder whether the birth rate has dropped.
The decision to have a child is one area in which people still have agency. There’s been a new baby in our family, conceived and born since last March and I know of three others all due this year.

349213 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #865 of 2354 🔗

God help them.

349322 ▶▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #866 of 2354 🔗

I know of 9 people locally to me through SM / other half’s work that are due between now and July. It doesn’t include me and I’m due in April.

350196 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to CapLlam, #867 of 2354 🔗

I have a cousin who gave birth almost exactly 9 months after the date of the first lockdown

349210 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tenchy, #868 of 2354 🔗

Oral sex must be difficult in face knickers.

349256 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 2, #869 of 2354 🔗

Crotchless perhaps?

349299 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #870 of 2354 🔗

I’m adding that to my long list of helpful suggestions. I think the message is more of the same though.. suck it up people.

348976 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #871 of 2354 🔗

Like many things in life, that’s a risk worth taking is it not? I don’t know what’s happened to society, it seems that any risk/reward considerations are now immoral?

348983 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #872 of 2354 🔗

Watermelon sugar high…

349122 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Tom Blackburn, #873 of 2354 🔗

There was a story that indiscriminate shagging caused cervical cancer. Then it was pointed out that nuns get that type of cancer too….

349258 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to bluemoon, #874 of 2354 🔗

So?

348942 Jody, replying to Jody, 38, #875 of 2354 🔗

Up until fairly recently, I was prepared to entertain the idea that this man was simply a self-important, self-regarding medico-technocrat, enjoying his moment in the sun… (foolish, naive me…)

I am now coming round to the idea that he is a fully-fledged psycho…

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348964 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jody, 17, #876 of 2354 🔗

His eyes betray his lack of humanity. I shudder to think what horrors they have witnessed.

349012 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Richard O, 8, #877 of 2354 🔗

He is downright creepy.

348980 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Jody, 8, #878 of 2354 🔗

That’s me having nightmares tonight then.

348985 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to kh1485, 8, #879 of 2354 🔗

Whitty will be having nightmares for the rest of his life

349332 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to steve_w, 1, #880 of 2354 🔗

That might not be very long if mob justice prevails.

348991 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jody, 3, #881 of 2354 🔗

And here’s Wittery in the days (last May) when he seemed normal (ish):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be

349016 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Jody, 3, #883 of 2354 🔗

The very epitome of a ghoul, a new role for Anthony Hopkins?

349027 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #884 of 2354 🔗

What species are those eyes?

349035 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 1, #885 of 2354 🔗

Crocodilian

349062 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Basics, #886 of 2354 🔗

Nazgul

349112 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Foster, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #887 of 2354 🔗

When the last tufts of his hair fall out, we’ll get to see the 666 mark which it’s been hiding.

349205 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #888 of 2354 🔗

Zeta-reticulan.

349046 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jody, 3, #889 of 2354 🔗

Seems to me that they shot the wrong Whitty in 1984. Or the right one a few years too late.

349071 ▶▶ mj, replying to Jody, 15, #890 of 2354 🔗

i wish people would use the correct photo of Whitty

349206 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mj, 1, #891 of 2354 🔗

That’s an insult to Gollum. He had some rags of redeemability about him.

349074 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jody, 5, #892 of 2354 🔗

But what is truly amazing is that, despite a consistent wrongness, the public still believes the shite churned out by Whitty and the SAGE weirdos.

349104 ▶▶▶ Jody, replying to RickH, 4, #893 of 2354 🔗

Well, we know that psychopaths are highly effective at getting themselves to the top of society, and into key decision-making roles, which is why we have, over time, developed institutions, such as Parliaments, media, and an independent judiciary, to control these people (I know you know all of this, Rick!)
The problem is, the control measures over these people have disappeared: no functioning parliament or democracy, no functioning judiciary, and a controlled media…

349113 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Jody, 2, #894 of 2354 🔗

Nosferatu….

349268 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Jody, 1, #895 of 2354 🔗

He looks like he has been vaccinated already.. .

348953 Awkward Git, 13, #896 of 2354 🔗

had an answer from the local conservative’s office (my MP is one of them) that answered my recent e-mail with “Thank you for copying our office in on your email to Sir Bill. Your response will come direct from London but if you need anything further in the meantime please give us a call.” so I replied with this:

“Having our MP actually learn some facts about what is going on then challenging the narrative would be a good start.

I have plenty of links, FOIs, e-mails, research available for whoever wants it. All in the public domain so easy for a researcher to find if they wanted to.

Just ask me and I can compile it all into a folder.

Upto now he’s been conspicuous by his absence and his meekly acceptance of everything is just supine and cowardly and not in his constituents best interest and him, the government, the opposition, councils, PHE, SAGE, NHS et al need and must be held account for the increasing collateral damage in deaths and economic destruction being inflicted on this country and world for an illness that has a 99.97% survival rate and most people require a test that gives false positives to find out they have it as they exhibit either no or very, very mild symptoms that are less severe that the side effects of the vaccine that they receive as a magic cure that gives them no lasting protection.”

Let’s see what falls out of the tree now it’s been given a shake.

348955 alw, replying to alw, 16, #897 of 2354 🔗

Walking about Primrose Hill this morning and these signs have suddenly appeared over the weekend. It is absolute nonsense that the virus is increasing in this area. I have checked with the ONS stats and only 6 people have died of the virus in this area since March. Where I was able, turned these signs around so they couldn’t be seen by the public. Did manage to persuade one lady taking off her mask that she had no need to wear one and the exemptions allowed and where to get a lanyard. She thanked me profusely. Otherwise a normal morning in the area for a Monday, Few wearing masks and heavier traffic than during Lockdown I.

348977 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to alw, 13, #898 of 2354 🔗

There has been no consideration of the long term effects on trust in society when so many pronouncements by authority will turn out to be lies.

Dalrymples dictum is apposite:
“Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.

Theodore Dalrymple”

349064 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Nessimmersion, 4, #899 of 2354 🔗

Amazing how it’s all down to ‘the communists’, whilst those in charge for 40 years are right-wing Tories and neoliberals!

Ye’ve godda larff.

… although the PRC (not particularly ‘communist’ in any real sense) does seem to have pulled a blinder over western governments.

349101 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 3, #900 of 2354 🔗

right-wing Tories” Depends what you mean by right wing. They are certainly not conservatives.

I’d still like to have a debate about the extent to which “left” and “right” strands of thinking might facilitate the coronapanic, but best to leave it until it’s all over.

Meantime the problem as I see it is that what is being done is based on LIES plain and simple – whatever your politics, that’s not right.

As I posted the other day, it’s quite interesting to see the various countries that have resisted in whole or part the madness, and how different they re politically.

349214 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Julian, 2, #901 of 2354 🔗

The Cameron-May-Johnson govt looks Blairite to me. More of a ‘bit pink, bit baby blue centre elite technocratic, legalist, antidemocratic consensus to me with a likely fall into dictatorship. Meanwhile democratic conservativism and radicalism is realigning around the gaping hole in the middle, new consensuses emerging. The boot on the face dicatorships might differ only in more or less monarchism. Same boot. Same humiliation.

349143 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, 2, #902 of 2354 🔗

china is not communist . it is a dictatorship. In the same way that most “communist” states – North Korea, soviet russia, East Germany, Romania etc were all dictatorships. However the normal person will take the communist tag of these countries as that is how they have been referred to and so it becomes an accepted name. I am not sure if any states have been truly communist
And so the quote “ Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small” is valid if it is applied to those states mentioned above and ignoring the “communist” attribution.

349010 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 1, #903 of 2354 🔗

No hotline for informers ?

349137 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to alw, #904 of 2354 🔗

I wonder how much money was wasted on the signs and the salary of the person posting them.

Signposted – that’s the ultimate no-skill job.

349551 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to alw, 1, #905 of 2354 🔗

In the coffee shop where I worked we sometimes got people who did not understand our queuing system (thb, sometimes not that easy to understand) and then complained we were not serving them. They demanded better signage.
In my experience, people do not read signs. In this case, I hope they don’t.

348959 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #906 of 2354 🔗

Peston been given the inside track again on this evenings press conference

It appears Mandy is going to announce that over the weekend he and his family have eaten the pig dictator, and partly consumed the nut nut

348972 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, 2, #907 of 2354 🔗

Just read yours, after posting mine above! Is this the Fate of the modern Eloi, then?

348967 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 1, #908 of 2354 🔗

My mention of ‘Morlocks’ earlier reminded me of a quote about the Eloi:

I even tried a Carlyle-like scorn of this wretched aristocracy in decay. But this attitude of mind was impossible. However great their intellectual degradation, the Eloi had kept too much of the human form not to claim my sympathy, and to make me perforce a sharer in their degradation and their Fear….”

Hands up those who feel sympathy for the modern Eloi.

348981 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Banjones, 2, #909 of 2354 🔗

If I had a time machine I’d be very tempted to use it!

349176 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #910 of 2354 🔗

Only if you want to go back in time.

You don’t want to see what comes next; I told you this next Thursday. 😉

349276 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Ceriain, 1, #911 of 2354 🔗

Definitely backwards.. or sideways. No, I don’t want to see it and won’t have told anyone what you are going to tell me.

349134 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Banjones, #912 of 2354 🔗

Wells’ Eloi, though feeble, were pretty and amiable.
Knickered zombies are neither.

349155 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Banjones, #913 of 2354 🔗

Yeah I’ve pinged the Time Machine thing
on FB a couple of times. Nice to see it’s not just me. The Eloi/Morlocks analogy is certainly apt, the way our society has been completely partitioned unnoticed into people who operate via laptop/phone to earn a living (plus the variously leisured) and people who manually shift physical stuff (apparently invisibly). On top of that, the virtual are locked down to limit the miasma and the meatworlders continue onwards as they must with any consequent miasmatic spread simply ignored. No, lockdown the virtuals even more! The human split seems to be happening a bit quicker than Wells thought!

348974 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 12, #914 of 2354 🔗

Is there any point at all in paying lip service to or attempting to draw any conclusions whatsoever from infection numbers where the determinant is PCR testing and the numbers are therefore meaningless?

348982 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Hieronimusb, 6, #915 of 2354 🔗

They could be meaningless anyway. It can’t be difficult to massage or even invent figures. How would we ever know?

348999 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Banjones, 4, #916 of 2354 🔗

Same with the R number.

349044 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to karenovirus, 2, #917 of 2354 🔗

Yes – the R number is even further removed from already crappy data.

349025 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #918 of 2354 🔗

No point at all

348988 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 25, #919 of 2354 🔗

I was just thinking over some of things that have happened over the last year and how we have ended up where we are. There was a conversation early 2020 about the idea of surveillance. The usual arguments came up, if you’re not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about or you’ve already given up some freedoms this is not a lot more.

That last point of having already given some up was particularly pertinent in relation to mandatory mask wearing. The mask is not a lot to ask, it’s the least you can do to save a life. But from that simple step we’ve ended up with only being able to leave your house for an hour for exercise and all manner of other restrictions.

I posted something the other day that I will elaborate on now to try and illustrate how we have ended up where we are. It will hopefully raise some awareness as to why you should never give up your freedoms easily.

Imagine you are given a plate of manure (I changed it from s**t to make it more palatable) and told that eating it will save countless lives. So you eat it because it is for a noble cause.

Then you are given another plate. You’re reluctant but oblige after being told you’ve already had one, it’s only one more and it will save countless lives.

After finishing the second you’re given another plate. You’re even more reluctant now but you’ve already had 2 and this is only one more and it will save countless lives.

Over time, the more plates you eat the one more plate pales in signifance relative to how many you’ve already eaten. It becomes ever harder to say no to more plates. What do you mean you don’t want another plate, you’ve already had 10, it’s only one more and it will save countless lives.

So when you’re asked to give up what seems like a tiny bit of liberty it’s worth considering how many plates you may have already eaten and how many more you’re prepared to eat.

349020 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #920 of 2354 🔗

That’s just ruined my lunch.

349558 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Biggles, #921 of 2354 🔗

It made me want Nando’s.

349024 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #922 of 2354 🔗

Yes I agree with this, just take another and another hit for the common good. I find the blaming and shaming of people terrible and feel it is to do with the feeling of loss of control from those doing the blaming. It seems their thoughts are this can be controlled and other people are to blame because it is not controlled. We commenting here don’t think it can be controlled and that might be on major thing we all have in common, we don’t think all aspects of life can be controlled, perhaps we are more accepting that human beings cannot control their worlds.

My other thoughts are that a government who shows lack of trust of its populations which ours have will not be trusted by its population. So in effect they are reaping what they have sown.

349028 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #923 of 2354 🔗

But these plates are waffer thin..

349031 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #924 of 2354 🔗

Which is why the “it’s just a mask” brigade were/are fatally mistaken. If this goes all the way it will eventually lead to bodies in pits at the detention camps.

349128 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 4, #925 of 2354 🔗

The slippery slope is very real, despite what some would have us believe.

Incrementalism has been a known, effective technique for shaping behavior for centuries.

349047 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #926 of 2354 🔗

“plate of manure”
More like the Human Centipede
The Covidians are pooping in our mouths and telling us it;s chocolate

348990 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #927 of 2354 🔗

Just to back up the “Asian mass mask wearing is a myth”, I spent a fortnight in Japan in the summer of 2002, was out and about every day on the streets of Tokyo. I have no recollection of any masks, at all.

348995 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #928 of 2354 🔗

It’s nonsense anyway. If we look at the flu tracker here:

https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/influenza-pneumonia/by-country/

We see that many of the countries where people don’t wear masks do better than Japan and other Asian countries that do.

349015 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #929 of 2354 🔗

I heard recently the low death rate could be because, although there is an elderly population, their Vitamin D level is generally high, even amongst those elderly.

349140 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Nobody2021, #930 of 2354 🔗

According to Daniel Davis in “The beautiful cure”, Japanese and other Far Eastern people may have a genetic disposition to contracting influenza.

349003 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo Starlin, #931 of 2354 🔗

Why would they wear them in summer tho?

349100 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #932 of 2354 🔗

A lot of Asian countries wear them because of air pollution.

349131 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Crystal Decanter, #933 of 2354 🔗

That is a fair point (I can think of few things more uncomfortable than wearing a mask in Tokyo in June). Conversely though, given we are regularly told Asian populations wear masks all the time to combat pollution, that would be the best time to wear them. Also, I accept things may have changed since 2002, but googling “Tokyo crowd images 2019” suggests they haven’t.

349479 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Jo Starlin, #934 of 2354 🔗

as well as pollution as nobody earlier mentions, i ready somewhere, that Japanese/Asian cultures wear masks when they have a cold/flu.
Someone may be able to confirm this.

350197 ▶▶▶ original poster, replying to penelope pitstop, #935 of 2354 🔗

Yes, true. Well, I can confirm for Japan anyway.

349000 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #936 of 2354 🔗

Can anyone recall what Fraudason’s model said would be the number of deaths in Sweden? Eleventy billion squillion? The final figures for the year are in, around 3,000 more deaths than 2018 (95,000 against 92,000, most of the extra in April and May).

349009 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #937 of 2354 🔗

I am not sure if he ever directly stated a figure or whether it was just his model applied to Sweden. I think 60 or 80 thousand rings a vague bell.

349018 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Julian, 2, #938 of 2354 🔗

So only a twentyfold overestimate then. Good enough for government work.

349085 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #939 of 2354 🔗

Remember the ‘4000 deaths a day’ in December from the Chuckle Brothers?

It was from Ferguson again – and was 150% out. I got within 3.5% without any multi-variate computer model, being prompted to make a prediction because of the patent absurdity.

Not boasting – just a measure of the sheer inaccurate stupidity of the SAGE nexus.

349043 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, #940 of 2354 🔗

100,000 if they didn’t do anything, 80,000 if they did what they did

349021 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #941 of 2354 🔗

If applied to Sweden, Fergus Model suggests 96k deaths @0.8% mortality.

349036 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #942 of 2354 🔗

2019 was exceptionally low – fewer than 89000, helping to raise the total for 2020 through the dry tinder effect.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

349123 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to rockoman, #943 of 2354 🔗

Statista is a really good source, clear and regularly updated.

349096 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Jo Starlin, #944 of 2354 🔗

Ferguson will say that he didn’t model Sweden and that others just applied his model to them.

If he had I don’t think the numbers would have been drastically different though.

349004 l835, replying to l835, 17, #945 of 2354 🔗

I’m sure others have said the same, but handcock’s concern that masks aren’t been worn in supermarkets, feels like the start of reprisals….

349051 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to l835, 11, #946 of 2354 🔗

He’s a fucking bullshitter, and a dangerous one at that. We are constantly told on this very forum by those posters brave enough to go shopping without a muzzle, that virtually everyone is complying with the fucking stupid rules.

349072 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tenchy, 9, #947 of 2354 🔗

I went to Aldi first thing this morning and, sure enough, I was the lone non-mask wearer (didn’t do the lanyard either). Thankfully, no aggro but with idiotic comments about “blood on hands” and now Hancock weighing in, how much longer will that be the case.

349149 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Tenchy, 7, #948 of 2354 🔗

I have never been in a shop yet where I wasn’t the only one unmuzzled (other than the odd cashier behind their screens),granted I don’t go out much any more because I can’t stand looking at the zombies.

349086 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to l835, 3, #949 of 2354 🔗

Reprisal implies provocation, a wrong previously committed.

An attack on a normally dressed person in a shop would not be a reprisal. If Hancock, Starmer, Johnson, Gove, Whitty et al were summarily crucified by a mob, that would be a reprisal

349327 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to l835, #950 of 2354 🔗

I’m usually the only one, and have never worn a lanyard but have ‘invested’ in one which is in my pocket as an insurance policy: “Oops sorry! Forgot to put it on”. It’s not been needed yet to defuse a situation, but there’s a first time for everything, and I wonder whether it’s not far away.

349006 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 3, #951 of 2354 🔗

Since unelected Wittery is still in the spotlight, and spouting tripe, I must keep posting this for anyone who needs to be reminded of the good old days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be

349041 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Banjones, 2, #952 of 2354 🔗

Superb. Thanks for reminding us. They are just arseholes. That’s all there is to it.

349078 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Banjones, #953 of 2354 🔗

My favourite quote from CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

Video clip available.

349103 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Banjones, 2, #954 of 2354 🔗

What’s happened in the interim, now predicting death for everyone, what an about turn! He’s admitting now he and his cartel have made a total cockup basically

349008 DThom, replying to DThom, 4, #955 of 2354 🔗

Does anyone know the management structures for NHS and PHE. Also the salary structure. Just wondering how much it costs the taxpayer?

349022 ▶▶ Basics, replying to DThom, 1, #956 of 2354 🔗

An aside. Is PHE still going? For failing, didn’t they collapse that earlier in their plandemic?

349038 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Basics, 2, #957 of 2354 🔗

PHE is still going

349070 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steve_w, 1, #958 of 2354 🔗

Rebranded more like.

349138 ▶▶ dhid, replying to DThom, 3, #959 of 2354 🔗

Management structure:

Chief Execs: – Required to have as little possible knowledge of medicine and to have preferably been politically active and to have no experience of successful management.

Must have an obnoxious personality and attempt to slander or libel any decent radio journalist or member of the public when challenged in any way.

Must have an ingrained hatred of actual democracy.

Other Junior Management: – An ability to insert noses into anal orifices and to lick said orifices when removing noses from said orifices, – without complaint.

Salaries: – All – Too effing much.

Hope this helps.

Lol!

349013 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #960 of 2354 🔗

More from 1984. Winston’s neighbour had a child with sharp eyes iirc. UK gov now trying to get children as spies bill passed. The novel relates a 6 year old grassing his parents at thirteen or so becoming member of youth wing, and dying in glorious combat at 24, although I cannot recall if that was all invented by the ministry or not.

https://youtu.be/_x38dpyf7KY

But don’t worry because it’s all incompetence. Has anything ever fallen more flat on it’s face?

349139 ▶▶ Betty Brown, replying to Basics, 1, #961 of 2354 🔗

It’s not important whether he died in combat or not. He did and he didn’t.
A review also here:

https://youtu.be/KgHiC5LURN4

349029 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 25, #962 of 2354 🔗

Just as I thought Icouldn’t drop into greater despair, I did… walking down High Street in Bexley, SE London, a new testing station has popped up.

NO JOKE. Exclusively for people without symptoms. A white van with medical equipment, pop up tables, chairs for people to sit down and stab around in their own noses and swap their own throats whilst “staff” – probably trained 5 mins ago and aged somewhere around 20-22yrs old – walks around in surgical masks and plastic aprons shouting instructions.

It’s another one of those moments where you don’t know if to laugh or cry. Surgical masks only work in sterile environments, doubt the high street classifies as such? Doing your own swabbing and stabbing in your nose will inevitably not be the right way of doing it, and will inevitably find … the virus and much other shit.

Test test test to pack the coffers of those that own the tests and the test centers and scare the public shitless.

Needless to say, since clearly the virus is contained in rain drops falling from the sky, every single person was masked in the outdoors. No need for mandatory masks outside your houses – it’s already happening. I was the only person amongst hundreds without a mask.

DESPAIR.

349040 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Pebbles, 32, #963 of 2354 🔗

Fuck anyone who wears a mask outside. They deserve everything that’s coming their way.

349163 ▶▶▶ willhhand, replying to Richard O, 6, #964 of 2354 🔗

Indeed. They are all idiots. I have gone past caring for such fools.

349052 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Pebbles, 5, #965 of 2354 🔗

Dick heads and I’m a Bexley boy

349091 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Pebbles, 2, #966 of 2354 🔗

4 rapid testing centres in Greenwich. I had to use one to be allowed into my office. Must have been 20 staff in there. God knows what this waste of time is all costing.

349120 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Adamb, 1, #967 of 2354 🔗

They have to find a way to deal with unemployment so this is the latest job creation wheeze. they still won’t have a real job when this nonsense is over.

349116 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Pebbles, 2, #968 of 2354 🔗

No testing station within 40 miles of my location.
No Covid deaths in my ONS defined region of approx 8000 since the start.

349209 ▶▶ Betty Brown, replying to Pebbles, #969 of 2354 🔗

It’s a ‘lateral flow’ test – according to the government website – which I believe is the same thing as a the ‘rapid antigen ‘test?) so perhaps it will yield fewer positives and be a way to keep people in work rather than the opposite???

349260 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Pebbles, 1, #970 of 2354 🔗

The industrial testing and vaccine complex is now worth far more money than the military industrial one, and it has as such replaced the latter as the ruler of the country and the world.

349033 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 23, #971 of 2354 🔗

I read somewhere a while ago that attempting to control the virus through lockdowns and other restrictions would be like trying to replace all the leaves that had fallen from a tree in the autumn back into their exact same positions before they fell. Two months on, the same attempt is being made even though the leaves have decomposed and have been partly eaten by microbes.

349060 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to godowneasy, 5, #972 of 2354 🔗

Nailing jelly to a wall?

349048 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 20, #973 of 2354 🔗

Interesting snap poll on the Telegraph. Only 35% of over 2,000 respondents believe lockdown rules should be tightened immediately. 15% believe they should be tightened only if cases rise, with 48% believing there should be no further restrictions. 2% unsure.

But wait, I thought we’re consistently hearing from mainstream pollsters that 4 in 5 people want harsher, stricter restrictions?

Who’s telling the truth?

349061 ▶▶ Jody, replying to Scotty87, 10, #974 of 2354 🔗

The latest measures being “floated” in the media are truly terrifying (only being allowed out once a week, for example).
Surely, even the supine British public isn’t going to put-up with that. Presumably the government is just threatening the public into compliance with the current measures.

349083 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Jody, 6, #975 of 2354 🔗

Whitty in the DT stating that there needs to be evidence that the vaccine works ‘for a long time’ and prevents transmission. So how does he define ‘long time’, a rather subjective term, months, years. And works for a long time, does this mean there is no rrquirement for boosters, or something else, as usual all statements with coded meanings. Prevents transmission, where was this guy when the pharma companies stated it does not prevent transmission or uptake of the virus, and likewise 2 doses are needed which they appear to have abandoned. So if the efficacy is reduced because of their interference in the drug administration, we have to suffer the consequences for their failed experiment.

349248 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Hattie, 1, #976 of 2354 🔗

First, they should have made sure that there is evidence that the vaccines don’t kill in the long term.

349153 ▶▶▶ willhhand, replying to Jody, 9, #977 of 2354 🔗

How the fuck will they know if you go out or not more than once a week? I go out 3 times a day with my dog. No way will I ever obey such a once a week command. Not that there will be anybody round to enforce anyway and the neighbours don’t give a monkeys. A lot are dog owners.

349073 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Scotty87, 1, #978 of 2354 🔗

Interesting – do you have a link please?

349102 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Scotty87, 1, #980 of 2354 🔗

Thanks! I wasn’t able to find it in that page, but I don’t pay for the Telegraph so that might be it. If someone who does it happy to paste just the relevant section with stats here that’d be really appreciated – want to share this with someone for a debate I’m having 🙂

349099 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Scotty87, 14, #981 of 2354 🔗

How much ‘tighter’ do these people want, how far do restrictions have to go before an end goal is reached – welded in our homes, tasered on the street. Considering few people are on the streets walking about as all the shops are closed, how would introducing masks in outdoor areas, in their logic, have any meaningful impact on current numbers.
I am so sick of being threatened by these bits, now on a daily basis. For goodness sake, why is Haddock making another announcement today, they can’t leave anything alone for more than a couple of days. The current LD has hardly been active for long, yet expect to see results.

349115 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Hattie, 8, #982 of 2354 🔗

I expect the next stage will be to threaten certain measures if ‘you’ don’t act like guidance is the law. That way If they don’t go full Nazi they can say they are being considerate. Timing is the key. Any measures have to be in long enough so that when numbers seasonally fall they can take credit for what was going to happen anyway.

349159 ▶▶▶▶ willhhand, replying to eastender53, 1, #983 of 2354 🔗

The ultimate is a shoot on sight 24 hour curfew. Which bullet would you like Sir?

349190 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to willhhand, 1, #984 of 2354 🔗

Reminds me of that ‘Jethro’ joke about the Home Guard:
Q So why did you shoot that bloke on the bike? It’s still ten minutes to curfew.
A Well, I know where he lives, and he’d never get home in ten minutes…

349254 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to eastender53, #985 of 2354 🔗

Absolutely, that’s the plan.
Let the sun do the work, but make sure tight-er restrictions can be credited with it, so that the whole thing can be repeated again when opportune.

349186 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Hattie, 2, #986 of 2354 🔗

It the RAT, isn’t it? The Race Against Time. Stoke up the fear levels till nearly unbearable and then release the vaccine for everyone – bingo! They’ll be breaking down the doors to get at it.
If we get too confident in any one level we just may become uncontrollable and think we don’t actually NEED it. Mustn’t allow that, must they?

349207 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Hattie, 6, #987 of 2354 🔗

I understand that ‘Pritti’ has changed the rules now. If you are carrying guns, knives, drugs, or stolen goods you can’t be stopped and searched. But anybody seen carrying coffee and biscuits can be tasered on sight.

349261 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Old Bill, #988 of 2354 🔗

There should be a minimum height requirement to be in the cabinet

349169 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Scotty87, 1, #989 of 2354 🔗

Perhaps you read a Yougov poll. And – it may not be a conflict of interest of course, but – a certain vaccine czar has a finger in that particular pie.

349193 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Scotty87, 2, #990 of 2354 🔗

How many voted for ‘restriction should be completely removed because it is all fiction’?

349590 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 1, #991 of 2354 🔗

Edit: It’s now nearly 60% against further restrictions from 5000 respondents 🙂

350216 ▶▶ original poster, replying to Scotty87, #992 of 2354 🔗

Can’t believe that 50% of people are thick enough to want harsher restrictions. It’s like a form of self flaggelation. I must suffer for my sins!

349050 DThom, replying to DThom, 6, #993 of 2354 🔗

It would be nice to know where all these daily ‘cases’ are coming from.

349058 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DThom, 11, #994 of 2354 🔗

Especially as every test centre I drove past today was empty of all but staff in hi-vis.

349092 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #995 of 2354 🔗

Yes, I make a point of driving past one near me, in Dorset, at any reasonable opportunity, and ever since it opened back in shirtsleeve weather, I have never seen more than a few cars in there – easier to see now the hedges have lost some leaves – and by the way they are parked in a block, many could have belonged to hi-viz brigade.

I think it telling that we see when they are “Audited” by members of the public in Youtube videos, from outside with no unlawful action, just an attempt to see what is actually going on, the reaction from hi-viz has been extraordinary in some cases.

349065 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DThom, 13, #996 of 2354 🔗

Hospitals. The NHS are double fucking us.

349118 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Richard O, 1, #997 of 2354 🔗

Agree, they’re asking us to take it on the chin and up the arse at the same time.

349199 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to DThom, 1, #998 of 2354 🔗

The one near my office in Bournemouth is dead again this lunchtime apart from staff. I’ve never seen more than about 5 people in there.

349145 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to stefarm, 1, #1000 of 2354 🔗

Conspiracy poster!!!!!! There is no pandemic, the government is lying, all I see is incompetence. Report to the police!!! Really

349387 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to stefarm, 1, #1001 of 2354 🔗

Nothing makes me happier than to see material evidence of a Lockdown Sceptic in the wild

349067 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 34, #1002 of 2354 🔗

This delusion that a government can defeat an airborne virus is like the man who thought he could get his donkey to go without food.
He said that “after 40 days when the donkey was just getting used to it, the stupid creature died”.

349079 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #1003 of 2354 🔗

An eloquent description of our ass ignation with destiny.

349195 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1004 of 2354 🔗

Thank you for that, H but I can’t take the credit for it.
It’s an old black country ( and probably other regions) joke.

349263 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1005 of 2354 🔗

Doesn’t signify, you said it we smiled.

349081 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #1006 of 2354 🔗

If the virus is airborne, forget the donkeys, but get the pigs to fly.

349183 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1007 of 2354 🔗

Great analogy, except in this case it is the donkey trying to get the people to go without food.

349200 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1008 of 2354 🔗

That’s even better, Bill.

349076 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 11, #1009 of 2354 🔗

Harder, stronger, tighter – isn’t that a quote from Fifty Shades of Stupid?

349111 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #1010 of 2354 🔗

There is a sadomasochistic tone to all this.

It’s a scene with Bojo in the dom role, all the Covidian believers as the subs, and Starmer as the director/voyeur, telling Bojo what to do.

349242 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Ovis, #1011 of 2354 🔗

Johnson’s novel already showed those who care that he is a nihilist.
Hence also Brexit.
But then, people ignored Mein Kampf as well, and at their peril.

349077 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 65, #1012 of 2354 🔗

Hit em where it hurts again this morning HSBC was on the receiving end of my WW2 gas mask routine, over two hours in there manager and staff plus paramedic and plod all trying to get me to calm down,used south African stain to great effect.. customers completely pissed of one almost hysterical with fright after I said a friend’s dog had contracted the disease and suffocated to death, the paramedic was called because I actually did pass out in the mask all added to the effect..all in all fucking ace…

349097 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #1013 of 2354 🔗

You have my admiration. I may be even tempted to imitate, if need be. I was actually close to a panic attach during an eye-sight test, forced to wear an ordinary mask!

349117 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Alice, 22, #1014 of 2354 🔗

Im getting to old to keep pulling of these stunts, bloody great bruse on my arm when I hit the deck no pain no gain as the saying goes…

349160 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #1015 of 2354 🔗

Oh, I’m sorry to hear that! But you are a martyr for the cause (if that’s any consolation).

349170 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Alice, 7, #1016 of 2354 🔗

Thank you Alice that’s consolation enough for me..

349126 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #1017 of 2354 🔗

Well done Bruce, I’m tempted to have a go myself.

349136 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Biggles, 8, #1018 of 2354 🔗

Bloody hell that’s 633 squadron stuff bang on..

349127 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1019 of 2354 🔗

I keep some alka seltzer to hand just in case I need to do my frothing at the mouth routine

349151 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #1020 of 2354 🔗

The rabies dog look may try that one…

349132 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #1021 of 2354 🔗

I would love to go shopping with you but I don’t think I could keep a straight face.

349141 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Just about sane, 25, #1022 of 2354 🔗

Us sceptics should get together for a beer or two when this shit is over, celebrate our hard earned victory..

349223 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #1023 of 2354 🔗

A beer or 2, 2 week lock in!!!(completely acceptable in a pub)

349231 ▶▶ Gill, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1024 of 2354 🔗

I would pay good money to witness one of your escapades!

349257 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Gill, 4, #1025 of 2354 🔗

I only accept Bitcoin..

349377 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1026 of 2354 🔗

Thank Christ you’re on our side, Bruce. You make me feel genuinely sorry for the coronistas. Quite a feat

349080 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1027 of 2354 🔗

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-czech-protest/czechs-protest-over-the-mental-economic-toll-of-coronavirus-restrictions-idUSL8N2JL0DQ

Reuter report of demonstration against LD in Prague

“Scientists note that coronavirus can be transmitted by people who are infected but who do not show symptoms – a sizeable proportion of overall infections – which is why measures to stop the broad population from mingling have been widely implemented around the world since the start of the pandemic.

Isn’t it blatant? Before you would have probably in such a story a quotation from a scientist supporting LD and saying these things above. Now you have it as a plain fact, as it was self-evident the truth. Before there was some form of balance,report of the demonstration then an interviewing some named scientist stating his view. Not anymore even from Reuters.

349087 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1028 of 2354 🔗

Not anymore even from Reuters.” I switched to Reuters from the BBC hoping to find a more neutral news source but was quickly disappointed – they have a very definite agenda

349121 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Julian, 4, #1029 of 2354 🔗

I did the same before any of this started and have now found that reuters is the main hub for MSM. They’re all singing from the same songsheet.

349088 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1030 of 2354 🔗

The word “note” is revealing. It shows that there is no empirical evidence; that the claim is nothing more than unsupported assertion.

349109 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1031 of 2354 🔗

I’ve felt the media has been making most of this up from the get go.

349110 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1032 of 2354 🔗

Has it not been said that asymptomatic spread is very rare- even Dr Marie Von … sorry can’t remember the last name, from the corrupt WHO stated as much. Very good Delingpole and Ivor, his recent Delingpod.

349082 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #1033 of 2354 🔗

Disgraceful recklessness in Minsk.
Don’t they know there is a pandemic going on? (lol):-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJJJ-KLJfSE

349174 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #1034 of 2354 🔗

Look at all those smiling, happy people enjoying life and sharing human warmth. It’s absolutely horrifying.

349202 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Jo Starlin, #1035 of 2354 🔗

Whoops. It was last year…
Never mind; I expect they all are still cavorting just the same.
Wanton behaviour and cheesy music.

349338 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #1036 of 2354 🔗

it was just over a week ago, looks better than the new year we had in communist UK

349236 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Kevin 2, 4, #1037 of 2354 🔗

In Germany, a video of children enjoying sledding in Sweden went viral yesterday.
As the German police is now hunting down and fining children who do that, let alone without a mask.

349084 Sarigan (Day 294 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 294 of lockdown), 10, #1038 of 2354 🔗

Lockdown sceptics are society’s gadflies
‘I can’t agree with Alistair Haimes that the arrival of vaccines should change how we feel about lockdowns’
https://thecritic.co.uk/lockdown-sceptics-are-societys-gadflies/

Apologies if posted before.

349106 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sarigan (Day 294 of lockdown), 9, #1039 of 2354 🔗

It is astonishing that this is still a debate. I can only conclude that in the aggregate our society does not deserve freedom, prosperity or health. Keep going on the current trajectory and those words will disappear from the English language. They will have no meaning.

349528 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Richard O, 2, #1040 of 2354 🔗

I’ve reached precisely the same conclusion.

The vast majority of the population has failed to meet my extremely low expectations of them.

349221 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Sarigan (Day 294 of lockdown), #1041 of 2354 🔗

Thanks. Great article,

349095 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1042 of 2354 🔗

Whitty NHS TV advert.
Purple tie worn. Matches Starmers above etc, etc.

349107 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Basics, 5, #1043 of 2354 🔗

The official color of the global color revolution?

349154 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to awildgoose, #1044 of 2354 🔗

My favourite colour.

Well, it was mine first…

349208 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ovis, #1045 of 2354 🔗

As worn by Clintons for their (non) coronation.

349114 Chris Hume, replying to Chris Hume, 25, #1046 of 2354 🔗

FFS! Richard Branson’s Mother has died OF Covid apparently. What a devastating tragedy. She was only 96.

349129 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Chris Hume, 25, #1047 of 2354 🔗

a life full of promise tragically cut short

hacked down in her prime

349142 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Chris Hume, 8, #1048 of 2354 🔗

FFS. I had a neighbour who died at 96. I visited him most days and in the last six months of his life I half expected him to simply pass away in his chair on any given day.

349150 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #1049 of 2354 🔗

my great uncle got covid in march. got over it and died of old age in September. he was almost 100, 20 years in a home etc. hardly a tragedy

349177 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1050 of 2354 🔗

My mother in law is 95 (96 in April) and every time we let ourselves in to her home we fully expect to find her dead.

349185 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1051 of 2354 🔗

I know exactly what you mean, it’s just the way of the world.

349228 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #1052 of 2354 🔗

My mum died last March, 98 and 10 days. By that time, most people have had enough.

349325 ▶▶▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Hieronimusb, 5, #1053 of 2354 🔗

My mum died at 92 and was furious with herself that she’d become ” a stupid doddering old woman”. She was ready to go

349148 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Chris Hume, 4, #1054 of 2354 🔗

She died counting his money, forgot to breathe.

349156 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Chris Hume, 7, #1055 of 2354 🔗

Makes you think doesn’t it, If she can die from it then anybody can. Tighter restrictions!! Now!!

349165 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Hubes, 6, #1056 of 2354 🔗

I’m locking my teenagers in their rooms before they kill everyone in the street with their filthy breathing.

349173 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1057 of 2354 🔗

Or vice versa of course: after all, you know it can take any of us if our neighbours or passers-by breathe at us!

349164 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Chris Hume, 3, #1058 of 2354 🔗

According to the Evening Standard ( https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/richard-branson-mum-eve-dies-coronavirus-b827615.html ) Richard Branson’s mother battled the coronavirus, whilst entertaining the nurses with stories from her past over whiskey.

349168 ▶▶ iane, replying to Chris Hume, 6, #1059 of 2354 🔗

Blimey, only 96: Dick B. looks older than that!

349515 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Chris Hume, #1060 of 2354 🔗

She was the people’s Austin Princess.

349125 DanClarke, 7, #1061 of 2354 🔗

The numbers will be what they want them to be, similar to the polls

349146 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #1062 of 2354 🔗

It’s nice to see that Amazon are cashing in on the latest mental health crisis…

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349251 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to captainbeefheart, 15, #1063 of 2354 🔗

So many lives cut off in their Prime.

349362 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1064 of 2354 🔗

we continue to be the wittiest miserable people in the world

349567 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Alethea, 2, #1065 of 2354 🔗

Hang on, gallows humour saves lives..

349147 JASA, replying to JASA, 44, #1066 of 2354 🔗

Sorry folks, I am having a really bad day. Still determined to battle through and adhere to my fighting talk last week, but symptoms bad, tearful and very lonely. Had a real explosive rant at the picture of Wankcock above the line. He needs kidnapping. He’s a psychopathic arsehole. Sorry not to be more eloquent or enlightening. My neighbour opposite me was gardening (weeding, pruning) this morning wearing a mask! What’s wrong with everyone!

349152 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JASA, 17, #1067 of 2354 🔗

This is the time of our trial I’m afraid. Wish you all the best.

349157 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #1068 of 2354 🔗

Thank you. Hoping it ends very soon.

349189 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to JASA, 9, #1069 of 2354 🔗

Don’t hold your breath, time to lay in supplies of stoicism and courage. Rest assured, we will win in the end but it could be a long night.

349232 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Hieronimusb, 5, #1070 of 2354 🔗

I think it was Annie ( might be wrong) that said it is he/she who blinks first.
Got my matchsticks ready!

349240 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1071 of 2354 🔗

Yes, I will see these fuckers off before they see me off

349253 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1072 of 2354 🔗

That’s the spirit, my husband was saying the same thing early this morning.

349225 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1073 of 2354 🔗

Always remember the Stockdale paradox..!

349245 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JayBee, 2, #1074 of 2354 🔗

Had to look that up, many thanks.

349158 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JASA, 11, #1075 of 2354 🔗

The comments on most social media and msm seem to be against what is going on, seeing through the BS, there are bots who write for them and the replies are all in the same format so easily spotted. Agree about Wankcock and the others

349162 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to JASA, 5, #1076 of 2354 🔗

you have the rest of your life to say I told you so. look forward to it. we get dark winter nights and so we got long summer evenings. we are coming to the end of the dark winter nights

349509 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to steve_w, 4, #1077 of 2354 🔗

I appreciate that it’s good for mental health to hang onto the idea we’re reaching the end of the dark winter nights, but I’m sorry to say I think your optimism is grossly misplaced.

When they put the legislation in for 2 years, I knew that we were in this for years to come and so it now appears. In March 2022, you will act surprised that the govt is going to extend the Coronavirus act for another 2 years by ministerial fiat.

I won’t be surprised, because I’m saying now that it will happen. The first point at which they’ll think seriously about throwing us a bone is 6 months before the next general election only then after delaying the damned thing for a year or more.

349171 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JASA, 10, #1078 of 2354 🔗

Better to let it out! I’m really battling too – but we’re going to stick this out together.

349203 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JASA, 5, #1079 of 2354 🔗

I wish I could be certain enough of my self control to approach one of these muzzlers and ask them politely why they think it’s necessary to muzzle-up in the good fresh air.

I really WOULD like to hear their reasons, but I don’t think I could stop myself ripping off their scrap of contaminated paper and thwowing it to the gwound – vewy wuffly.

349321 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to JASA, 1, #1080 of 2354 🔗

Next time they are out in the garden, go out into yours. Shout hello across the road and give them the benefit of a full face smile (even through gritted teeth). They’ll probably reply back-it’ll be your terms that instigated the exchange. Little things, just little things

349166 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1081 of 2354 🔗

I think they need to scrap the idea of herd immunity, at least the idea that it’s about eradication of the virus. It’s another ideal that may never be achieved.

If the vaccines don’t eradicate this virus and we see it coming back annually then we could be forever chasing an unachievable goal. People need to be told that a virus is under control once a herd immunity threshold (HiT) is achieved.

This will depend on several factors but it will always be achieved. This does not mean it has been eradicated, it just means that it won’t get worse for now. When it comes back the process will be repeated and again it will recede once HiT is reached.

This also highlights the role of immunity rather than having people believe that it is useless unless the mythical eradication by herd immunity is achieved.

Telling people that vaccines will help us reach herd immunity (eradication) is likely setting them up to fail.

349172 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #1082 of 2354 🔗

“If the vaccines don’t eradicate this virus”

How can a vaccine eradicate a virus?

349180 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1083 of 2354 🔗

Herd immunity, in my book, refers to an R that averages below 1. It does not refer to eradication – though that seems to be a common misconception.

As a brain teaser, do we have herd immunity for flu? If so, what is it that allows us to evidence this, despite the fact it reappears each year?

349181 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1084 of 2354 🔗

we have reached herd immunity. that means the virus just follows a seasonal cycle like the other 200 winter colds rather than takes off exponentially. it doesnt mean eradicate

349182 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #1085 of 2354 🔗

The business model of Big Pharma is dependent on sickness. The more sickness there is in society, the higher are their profits. There is no incentive to cure people, and frankly with the level of ignorance in the general population why bother?

349249 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Richard O, 5, #1086 of 2354 🔗

Your comment is ace! Spot on! They want us sick hence the masks and social distancing. I keep trying to stress how this government and the NHS really don’t care about us or our health. There are plenty more where we come from.

349212 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1087 of 2354 🔗

That’s why they chose to weaponize the bat cold

349222 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1088 of 2354 🔗

Herd immunity is a myth, and now also a WHO construct rooted solely in witchcraft, even ignoring and abolishing the laws of biology.
That, HITs and their herd immunity is merely a theoretical concept without any medical evidence for it.
It is just computer model, built by computer modelers, aka epidemiologists, to justify the vaccination of everyone rather than just those at risk of a particular pathogen and disease. See Profs. Gatti&Montanari, or CHD.
It could well have been constructed on demand of the pharma industry.
It has certainly been hijacked by nihilistic control freaks in politics and the tech industry to pursue their destructive, inhumane and cybernetic goals.

349243 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JayBee, 2, #1089 of 2354 🔗

bear in mind these are the same wokesters who believe there are 76 genders and chopping off your john thomas makes you a woman

349175 alw, 1, #1090 of 2354 🔗

The law of lockdown 3.0 (from January 6th)https://laworfiction.com/2021/01/the-law-of-lockdown-3-0-from-december-20ththe-law-of-lockdown-3-0-from-january-6th/

349179 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 33, #1091 of 2354 🔗

Time to call a spade a spade. This is all way beyond an infringement of human rights. This is all antihuman. How will the rule of law protect us when the rulers are insane? This is insanity. I’m terrified.

349192 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #1092 of 2354 🔗

It was anti-human and insane from the very start. It’s just that the demeanour of the public figures imposing this on the population has changed. Now they have dispensed with the façade and are revealing their true brutality and sadism.

349198 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #1093 of 2354 🔗

Quite true. Whatever you believe, zealot or sceptic, what we are experiencing is clearly unethical and should never be countenanced by any democratic nation, whatever the circumstances. But who is there to defend us?

349237 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Achilles, 18, #1094 of 2354 🔗

This country ceased to be a democracy on 23rd March 2020.

No one is coming to save us, and no one is defending us, except ourselves.

349241 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Achilles, 3, #1095 of 2354 🔗

Only ourselves. Make sure you know your rights, most police don’t seem to know!

349216 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #1096 of 2354 🔗

Don’t be terrified. Stand and watch, help expose the folly where you can.

349424 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1097 of 2354 🔗

Of course.

Covidianism is a war on Nature itself.

It’s very fundament is unnatural.

349187 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 24, #1098 of 2354 🔗

Same process over and over again:-
Ramp up fear, increase restrictions, people’s fear wains, people ignore restrictions, ramp up fear, increase restrictions, people’s fear wains, people ignore restrictions, and so on. Of course you have to wonder why people over time lose that fear. Well the answer is simple. Because each time they get frightened it is followed by a period where their personal experience does not reflect the hype. Because there is actually nothing to be afraid of.

349197 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Achilles, 4, #1099 of 2354 🔗

The boy who cried wolf about a weasel.

349191 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, 17, #1100 of 2354 🔗

Walked around my golf course today with my playing partner,lovely fresh air,but can walk with him and not play together.
Fucking madness.

349235 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dartford44, 3, #1101 of 2354 🔗

Take up rugby instead, no masks, no social distancing and lots of scrums.

349278 ▶▶ winstonthatcher, replying to Dartford44, 3, #1102 of 2354 🔗

Take a fishing road and set it up next to a stream or pond, if your course has one.
Then play golf
When the inevitable happens and someone calls the police, simply inform them you are fishing…

349302 ▶▶ DThom, replying to Dartford44, 1, #1103 of 2354 🔗

From a fellow golfer.
I was thinking about this yesterday. Things might be different if we had someone in charge with an ounce of sporting ability! Also doesn’t help that the minister for sport also has no visible connection to his subject!

349345 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DThom, 1, #1104 of 2354 🔗

I have tennis in common with the PM but that didn’t stop the wanker from closing tennis courts

He probably has his own

349349 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to DThom, 2, #1105 of 2354 🔗

Ahh, but golf is of course the ONLY sport in which you have to referee yourself and requires complete personal honesty – it is no wonder that Bozo, Wancock etc do not play!

349965 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Dartford44, #1106 of 2354 🔗

I have seen someone in the past using a golf club as a walking stick, perhaps you could too – some of the time anyway….

349196 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 31, #1107 of 2354 🔗

Call me a heartless monster, but it is NOT a “tragedy” when someone in their tenth decade of life dies of natural causes.

349204 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1108 of 2354 🔗

No. It’s good copy though.

349295 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1109 of 2354 🔗

You’re a heartless monster – poor little Richard will have to do his own washing now.

349422 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Jo Starlin, #1110 of 2354 🔗

That’s the cycle of life. Eventually Father Time catches all of us.

What Woke Covidianism is trying to do is bring Nature to heel, something we already saw with technocracy in the 20th century.

349640 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Jo Starlin, #1111 of 2354 🔗

All deaths are sad and tragic. Do keep up!

349211 rockoman, 9, #1112 of 2354 🔗

Meanwhile Rio de Janeiro parties as usual. This is current.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pGyGI6f4B0

Brazil – yeah!

349218 Alice in Covidland, replying to Alice in Covidland, 6, #1113 of 2354 🔗

Wonder why more hasn’t been made of this…

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/03/what-vaccine-trials/

People genuinely appear to believe that the COVID 19 vaccines have undergone clinical trials and have been proven to be both safe and effective. That belief is simply wrong.
The main point is this. If you decide to have Pfizer and BioNTech’s experimental mRNA-based BNT162b2 (BNT) vaccine, or any other claimed COVID 19 vaccine for that matter, you are a test subject in a drug trial.

Recently the UK Financial Times reported that the UK regulators (the MHRA) are due to approve Astrazeneca/Oxfords AZD1222 [ChAdOx1] COVID 19 Vaccine. The FT revealed an anonymous statement from the UK Department of health:

The medicines regulator is reviewing the final data from the University of Oxford/AstraZeneca phase 3 clinical trials to determine whether the vaccine meets their strict standards of quality, safety and effectiveness.

Thus giving the public the impression that the trials are complete and that the regulators have strict safety standards. The 1,2,3 phase trial for AZD1222 was registered with the U.S. Centre for Disease Control as clinical trial NCT04516746 [Archived 29th December 2020]. It is incomplete and the estimated end date is February 21st 2023. The CDC state:

No Study Results Posted

Astrazeneca are years away from reporting any “final data.” It is impossible for the UK Department of Health to review it, because it doesn’t exist

349575 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Alice in Covidland, 1, #1114 of 2354 🔗

I saw a very good sketch yesterday from Austria from a “patient” asking the “doctor” lots of questions, and it managed to get across all the failings of not enough testing and evidence it is “safe” very well.
For anyone who will understand German with Austrian accent:
https://youtu.be/LPOcYDw_khw

349220 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 29, #1115 of 2354 🔗

BBC

Senior Police Officer

‘The public are making us look really stupid. It has to stop’

349229 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 32, #1116 of 2354 🔗

They don’t need the public to make themselves look stupid they’re doing a very good job of that themselves.

349230 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Cecil B, 15, #1117 of 2354 🔗

Replace “the public are making us” with “we” and it’s bang on.

349238 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1118 of 2354 🔗

My faith in the police went years ago. They have been the enemy of the indigenous people of the UK for decades. They don’t need the public to make them look stupid, they’ve done a great job of that on their own.

349440 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1119 of 2354 🔗

Agreed , The working class English girls of northern towns are also victims of the common purpose stooges .

349475 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1120 of 2354 🔗

The interesting period is when they made the transition from stupid to evil, which by my reckoning was about 20 years ago.

349579 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1121 of 2354 🔗

I have a very bad experience with German CID as a witness.
I am always wary of police.

349280 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Cecil B, 24, #1122 of 2354 🔗

Ok, I friend of mine works for the Met ( S015 section) and has told me that the rumblings inside the force are not good. Most senior cops think this whole think is BS and do not want to spend resources on policing the public sitting on benches. It’s really getting out of hand from what I hear so not if the stricter measures are even policeable ( I know they are more than possible to happen)

349287 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #1123 of 2354 🔗

This is really good to hear Thomas. Thank you!

349324 ▶▶▶ gmwhite, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #1124 of 2354 🔗

Sadly, it doesn’t yet seem to have made a difference to the psychos they send to break up anti-lockdown demonstrations.

349361 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to gmwhite, 5, #1125 of 2354 🔗

Ah..Territorial Support teams are a completely different kettle of fish and the whole setup is murky to say the least. From what I heard the setup used to be policemen and women who did this were highly trained and vetted. Then a couple of years ago (allegedly) Serco got involved and the shit hit the fan.This is just what I heard but lets just say that they do not have the highest standing in the Met at the movement.

349388 ▶▶▶▶▶ gmwhite, replying to Thomas_E, #1126 of 2354 🔗

Thanks. Let’s hope some good comes of all this and we get reform of this “murky setup”.

349304 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1127 of 2354 🔗

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349432 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1128 of 2354 🔗

Old Bill are pathetic , last year my niece came home to find her front door kicked in due to her home being burgled and ransacked by some scumbags . Fearing they were still in there she stayed outside with her two toddlers and called the police . They said they were too busy to send anyone and could she go inside any check herself to see if the burglars were still inside ( I Shit you not ) . She put the phone straight down and called her father who rushed straight round . No Copper ever bothered to come round to make a house call , all she got was a crime report number over the phone . Apparently the insurance brokers showed more concern and helped with the situation than any copper she spoke with .
Yet walk slowly in the park with a coffee they suddenly get all Starsky and Hutch . Absolute Filth .

349224 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 40, #1129 of 2354 🔗

The muppets have finally get themselves stuck between a rock and a hard place. They know a lot of the public aren’t listening anymore and aren’t scared despite all the media horror stories. You can only call wolf so many times. Pretty much everywhere is shut and yet they are still banging on about “cases cases, deaths, hospitalisations” blah blah. Even the slowest thinking members of the public must be starting to question how this is possible and that something doesn’t quite seem right.

The government know that lockdowns and the restrictions don’t do anything but now even the perception that a lockdown can do anything is being completely smashed.

The government also know tighter restrictions will be largely ignored and will also really piss people off even more. So do they dare impose any? What’s the alternative for them?

Time is running out for them and this shit show.

349252 ▶▶ alw, replying to Hubes, 11, #1130 of 2354 🔗

Lets hope so 🤞

349284 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Hubes, 7, #1131 of 2354 🔗

They only have to keep it going for a few weeks though when the winter viral deaths will have already peaked and they can claim victory over nature even though it’s nature doing the work.

349346 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Hubes, 4, #1132 of 2354 🔗

Maybe one last throw of the dice? Total lockdown and closure of everything, house arrest, army patrols but even all that would only last for so long. I’m ‘sceptical’ that the armed forces would even want to get involved as most ex military I know are decent human beings.

349586 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Hubes, 1, #1133 of 2354 🔗

“The muppetts finally got themselves stuck…”
They were stuck on the 23rd March!

349226 Bella Donna, #1134 of 2354 🔗

Covid regulations easily explained.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/LDWCVFsda5M7/

349227 Hopeful, replying to Hopeful, 6, #1135 of 2354 🔗

Just a suggestion. If you want to know what’s really happening under the veil of covid you may want to visit the websites of people like Simon Parkes, Dr Charlie Ward and Robert Steele, to name but three. Please don’t bother calling me a nutter. I’d prefer you used your mental and physical energy to explore the wider plain that lies beyond the guff of this government.

349270 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hopeful, 2, #1136 of 2354 🔗

Funnily enough I was watching them yesterday evening. A bit too much QAnon-style hopium for my liking, but useful data points nonetheless.

349593 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Hopeful, #1137 of 2354 🔗

Trouble with guys like this – not criticising them by the way – is that they will claim MSM is ignoring stuff (which they do). Well some of the time this is true as QAnon doesn’t exist, or if it does it is doing a very good job at concealing itself. Bit like end-of-the-worlders who, when they get the date wrong, they’ll change it. Two of these guys are saying on a video https://www.bitchute.com/video/SdItN0NSeFeL/ that EO13959 has been activated as of today and we’ll all (so-called free world) soon be at war with China. Well we’ll soon see, but I doubt it. Perhaps the MSM (who I loathe) have ignored it because it ain’t gonna happen. Plenty of nothing-burgers come out of the Trump supporting camp.

349233 Annie, replying to Annie, 11, #1138 of 2354 🔗

Message from a friend in NZ:

“We have cases of the new strain of Corona Virus here in New Zealand and they are in quarantine ofcourse. They are all people who have flown to New Zealand from other countries with the new virus. We are not happy about it.”

You bet they’re not happy. Watch this space.

349262 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Annie, 23, #1139 of 2354 🔗

Corona is going to get into NZ whether they’re happy about it or not.

349267 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 23, #1140 of 2354 🔗

I have to confess that I am rather looking forward to seeing that horse faced woman taking the heat when the virus ramps up there in the Southern Hemisphere fall. Something to look forward to I guess.

Sad I know.

349279 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bill H, 7, #1141 of 2354 🔗

Not convinced horse face is a woman. Would need to get a good look at the hands

349329 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ian Reid, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #1142 of 2354 🔗

Now, now. In the past years we know the definition of what constitutes a woman has been considerably widened, and I’m sure even Ms Ardern will be able to creep under the bar.

349288 ▶▶▶▶ Tangelo, replying to Bill H, 6, #1143 of 2354 🔗

Me too Bill. They are in summer now , just wait until the winter.

349294 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Bill H, 5, #1144 of 2354 🔗

That’s a disgusting insult – to horses.

349351 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #1145 of 2354 🔗

When it does, there is going to be an apocalypse as there is no immunity.

349264 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Annie, 12, #1146 of 2354 🔗

Well, that’s a miracle – a rapdily mutating RNA virus apparently not mutating in New Zealand.

Sounds like they will go the full Howard Hughes route. That is a one way street, leading to reduced immune system strength and adverse consequences when some pathogen eventually makes its way in.

Never go Full Howard Hughes.

349269 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Ken Garoo, 5, #1147 of 2354 🔗

The modern Aztecs.

349234 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1148 of 2354 🔗

My mother was 4 when she died of a respiratory illness

Didn’t even make the press, and they certainly didn’t shut the country down.

349259 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cecil B, 14, #1149 of 2354 🔗

No but it does make you a miracle of nature!

349246 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 11, #1150 of 2354 🔗

Democracy postponed.

https://order-order.com/2021/01/11/local-elections-could-be-delayed-until-november/

Let`s make that November 2030 then.

349347 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to nickbowes, 7, #1151 of 2354 🔗

At which point we will be about to enter winter 2021 lockdown, so democracy has been cancelled rather than postponed.

349250 alw, 5, #1152 of 2354 🔗

From the lunchtime Spectator..

  • Care homes are refusing to take hospital patients due to struggles with securing liability insurance. Martin Green, chief executive of Care England, said that the government has been asked for support.
349255 Ken Garoo, 2, #1153 of 2354 🔗

“Paul Bieniasz of Rockefeller University is one of those who is watching the evolving situation in Britain with dread.”

I have similar concerns. My starting point – we have seen that indiscriminate use of antibiotics has led to the rise of bacteria resistant to multiple antibiotics, resulting in there being only one antibiotic of last resort.

This leads to the corollary – does the same apply to antivral drugs aka ‘vaccines’ in the present case. Another big question – the original documentation supplied to MHRA for emergency acceptance specified an interval of 21 days between 1st and 2nd shots (8 Dec 2020), presumably to give the booster maximum efficency. On 24 Dec 2020, that was updated to ‘at least 21 days’ which could be 12 weeks, 12 months or 12 years (does this invalidate the original approval?). It is not clear what effect such a delay would have on the accepted vaccine efficacy, but I suspect it will be detrimental. I suspect it would also enhance any tendancy to select for drug-resistant pathogens.

My MP is fully onboard the lockdown so I have no hope of getting the questions answered via him. If there is anyone who can legitimately ask one of the sceptic MPs to formally follow this up, please do.

349265 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 15, #1154 of 2354 🔗

Pictures of Bozo and Wancock out and about today (BBC – I know, I’m sorry, but you need to know what your enemy is saying and doing, right?) both with their shirtsleeves rolled up as if they think that make’s it look like they are really grafting and getting stuck in on the frontline – fuckin’ turds

349277 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to vargas99, 7, #1155 of 2354 🔗

No doubt another suggestion from the Nudge Unit.

349293 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Achilles, 11, #1156 of 2354 🔗

It’s all about the optics especially for these two, they probably have an assistant who drenches them in sweat every two hours (I’d happily volunteer for that but change the sweat to horse piss).

349334 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to vargas99, #1157 of 2354 🔗

Hope they’re out and about only the once.

349400 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to vargas99, #1158 of 2354 🔗

Both need quarantining immediately.

349406 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to vargas99, #1159 of 2354 🔗

thought we all had to stay at home except for “essential” activities??

349266 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 15, #1160 of 2354 🔗

Window cleaner just knocked on the door and I paid him in cash. What’s the appropriate procedure? Do we both turn each other in to the Covistapo at the same time?

349309 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Jo Starlin, 16, #1161 of 2354 🔗

I went to a kebab shop last night for some essential food.

I didn’t have any cash on me and asked if they take cards. They said the do. I then said “would you prefer cash?” and he said he preferred that if it was not too much trouble.

I said I’d be right back and paid in cash.

On leaving I said “please don’t put it through the books, keep the change”

(EDIT: all the staff were unmasked, I’ll start frequenting this establishment if it is allowed to stay open)

349271 Banjones, 1, #1162 of 2354 🔗

Here is Wittery in May again, in case anyone missed it! (Perhaps Youtube will remove it.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be

349273 Victoria, 8, #1163 of 2354 🔗

We must follow THE SCIENCE

349281 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 7, #1164 of 2354 🔗

This may have already been posted, but if it hasn’t, it’s very interesting 🧐

Worth a read.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/lockdown-police-constables-perspective

349290 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 11, #1165 of 2354 🔗

“I understand that there was a pandemic of sorts at the beginning of the year, and there was an element of the unknown, for which some action had to be taken.

Beautifully stated, and absolutely true. A “ pandemic of sorts “.

349298 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Richard O, 8, #1166 of 2354 🔗

The rest of it is also very well said. Unfortunately, he seems to be in the minority. Hats off to him for speaking out & telling us what we all know already.

349310 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 7, #1167 of 2354 🔗

Yes it was a very intelligent and moving piece. Sadly he has more or less resigned himself to the fact that he has no future in the police force.

349320 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Richard O, 2, #1168 of 2354 🔗

Yes, I fully agree with you on that Richard O.

349532 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Richard O, #1169 of 2354 🔗

The good ones leave, the crap otherwise unemployables stay – the fate of many large micro-managed ‘corporate’ entities.

349526 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Richard O, #1170 of 2354 🔗

The early SAGE minutes refer to pandemic, but from May/June they only talk about an epidemic. My guess is that is now endemic, just like the common cold (SARS-CoV-4000BC) and the flu

349318 ▶▶ ituex, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #1171 of 2354 🔗

I can’t click to say it’s good for some reason, but it is.

349283 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1172 of 2354 🔗

SAGE

Serial
Abusers
Granted
Exemption

349390 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to godowneasy, #1173 of 2354 🔗

And their followers, the GONZOIDs:

GONZOID – Gullibly Optimistic Non-thinking Zombie Or In Denial

349291 Victoria, 3, #1174 of 2354 🔗

re Censorship

Many people are moving to sites and providers that do not censor people and delete all their work.

Message from Jerm, a great cartoonist and ‘show host’
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If you go to jermwarfare.com/live then you will also find a schedule of my upcoming guests. Go have a look. You might like who’s coming to Jerm Warfare!

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At a great expense, I have set up an offshore server onto which all my videos are currently being moved. I am in full control of them and the only way they can be censored is a court order.

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349297 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 14, #1175 of 2354 🔗

Downing Street has attempted to explain why the Prime Minister’s father, Stanley Johnson, has received both doses of the vaccine before many people in the top two categories have even received one.

Just coincidence I’m sure.

349316 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Adamb, 9, #1176 of 2354 🔗

I doubt he has had it at all. A ruse to make people want what they don’t need…

349333 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to chaos, 3, #1177 of 2354 🔗

You are absolutely right, the same tricks always work, because most people are completely unaware of them.

349319 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Adamb, 11, #1178 of 2354 🔗

One example of favouritism that I couldn’t give a flying fuck about. That is if he received the real shots of course, which I very much doubt.

349326 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Adamb, 2, #1179 of 2354 🔗

Depends when he had the first one. Those who had the first dose before they changed the plan did get their second one 3 weeks later (after a backlash).

349358 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1180 of 2354 🔗

We’re all suffering from backlash, this is worse than Nelson’s navy except that dodging the King’s shilling was easier even though the pubs never shut.

350235 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Adamb, #1181 of 2354 🔗

He’s vulnerable because he’s old and he travels all over the place… quite freely, while others are stuck inside… mmm more coincidences.

349300 p02099003, replying to p02099003, #1182 of 2354 🔗

An explanation of the second wave and why there isn’t community immunity (reduced interaction due to lockdown?) https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/11/covid-19-why-did-a-second-wave-occur-even-in-regions-hit-hard-by-the-first-wave/

349317 ▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 5, #1183 of 2354 🔗

What ‘second wave’?

349331 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to p02099003, 3, #1184 of 2354 🔗

What’s the equation for ‘shit load more inaccurate testing’?

349303 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1185 of 2354 🔗

Mooching through the CDC website and came across this document on the PCR tests tehy now use over there:

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

Some good quotes in it:

“Positive results are indicative of active infection with SARS-CoV-2 but do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. ”

“The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease.”

“Amplification technologies such as PCR are sensitive to accidental introduction of PCR product from previous amplifications reactions. Incorrect results could occur if either the clinical specimen or the real-time reagents used in the amplification step become contaminated by accidental introduction of amplification product”

Still mentions 45 reps (cycles) on the graphs and 40 elsewhere.

So basically easy to screw up and you could be suffering from anything.

349368 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1186 of 2354 🔗

The 45 cycles seems common. However this doesn’t mean that’s where they draw the line on what constitutes a ‘case’.

So if you ask a lab what cycle they run the tests to it might say 45. Correct, but their line for something significant might be 30. They still ran the test to 45.

That kind of detail has never been revealed. I’ve seen some data from florida to that effect. The lack of transparency is killer. Likely intentional to control the narrative

349375 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1187 of 2354 🔗

28-32 is the generally accepted maximum to get a “true” result.

If you look at the Governemnt’s paper on the test their diagram ramps up about mid-20s and plateaus at 32.

349314 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #1188 of 2354 🔗

Here’s a good write up of Gab without the hysterical legacy media spin
There is a Gab phone coming soon – that’s why they are public enemy number 1

https://blokt.com/guides/dissenter-review

349335 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1189 of 2354 🔗

Do you need to have an account to look at posts?

Simon Dolan says he is on there but I can’t find him

349357 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Julian, #1190 of 2354 🔗

Not sure- the front page has posts on it before the log in. so I assume so

349380 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Julian, #1191 of 2354 🔗

He’s here:

https://gab.com/Simondolan

I don’t have an account but can still see it, running on a VPN from overseas though.

349557 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Awkward Git, #1192 of 2354 🔗

Thanks. Found it but it’s slow/down – can’t cope with the huge numbers of new users.

349328 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 5, #1193 of 2354 🔗

The knicker elastic in my World Events Prediction Equipment has never been so twisted, I’ve had to build a special housing to prevent injury from the uncontrolled unravelling due to breakage, which it’s telling me is imminent. Could be a write-off.

349392 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1194 of 2354 🔗

Buy gold and wear knickers on your head, works for most crises.

349337 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #1195 of 2354 🔗

This is a long read, but seriously shows how sinister the governments are.

It’s also interesting 🧐

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/psychological-attack-uk

349348 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, #1196 of 2354 🔗

Is this one of the worst examples yet of BBC fear porn?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55613575

(apologies if already posted)

349356 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Tenchy, #1197 of 2354 🔗

Is this actually even true? I really cannot believe this – more BBC bullish*t?

349369 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Tenchy, #1198 of 2354 🔗

A good friend is working on a large infrastructure project in the SW. He and his team were asked to build a temporary mortuary for 7000 bodies in the spring. It was built but hasn’t been used.

349405 ▶▶ Suey, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1199 of 2354 🔗

It’s cobblers; these places have always existed. My late godmother spent time in one – and maybe even that one – for some weeks after her death four years ago while administrative tossers in the NHS couldn’t get their act together to release her body for a funeral.

349637 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Tenchy, #1200 of 2354 🔗

Staff including a Detective Constable!!! Presumably specialist skills in body handling?

349763 ▶▶ eptwll, replying to Tenchy, #1201 of 2354 🔗

This is akin to the ‘refrigerated trucks’ in NYC that were leaking bodily fluids all over the place in April. Complete nonsense – I expressed skepticism on Twitter and got piled on. I left Twitter bc it was just such utter bollocks.

349352 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1202 of 2354 🔗

“Edinburgh police stop lockdown protestors marching to Nicola Sturgeon’s residence
Police have been forced to stop lockdown protestors from marching from Holyrood to Nicola Sturgeon’s official Edinburgh residence this afternoon.”

Local rag writes.
Bute House is usually known as official residence. ‘Forced to stop’, right-oh who did they forcing?
Indigo Stafford hack knows how to tweak a sentece to death – it’s a craft, secret it to make it look effortless not tortured.

The article got all the big guns out to comment council leader using his skill to call the protestors selfish, and sturgeon even stooped so low as to comment in the local rag – she’s fighting for survival and needs every chance she can get to say she believes in free speech but just not the wrong kind.

I believe in truthful speech which is one up on the sociopath krank.

349363 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Basics, 2, #1203 of 2354 🔗

I know which scummy rag you are talking about here Basics, it’s that scummy that I just last week deleted my account that I had had for years to comment on thing’s.

It is an extremely brainwashed, scaremongering pushing propaganda rag, wait until the comments start on the article you mention, it’s insane the amount of brainwashed sheep that populate that particular rag.

It’s like banging your head against a brick wall trying to voice your opinion on this nonsense.

Absolute scumbags (the rag, not the protesters btw) the truth will hopefully come out & the sheep will be shown what utter mugs they have been taken for.

349391 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Basics, 2, #1204 of 2354 🔗

Further to my last comment, it seems that I was wrong about the comments, the x2 on it already are speaking out against the narrative 👏🏻 🤙🏻
Although I expect that they will be turned upon by the brainwashed sheep soon enough.
Ones to look out for are, Bunnyboiler (or something like that, bunny something, Euro2020, Sejan & some other arse piece called Me,me,me & class of 79.. plus more) they are prevalent on these articles.

Think they know better & anyone who speaks out against the scaremongering narrative gets hit with name calling, or “I hope that you get it, or “go to an ICU & see for yourself etc”

The above mentioned are wankers that are causing this to continue.

The people speaking out about it, good on them 👏🏻

349450 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basics, 4, #1205 of 2354 🔗

The language is being mangled to service PC politics. Matt Frei and many other “journos” (PKLs*) have been telling us that Donald Trump has “come off” Twitter. Oh right – his decision was it?

* PKLs = Paid Knowing Liars. These so called journalists aren’t just ideologically committed to be biased in favour of some people and against others. They have crossed the Rubicon into active censorship, active misrepresentation, active omissions and active lying. I have come to the view they all know electoral fraud took place but will be rationalising it internally (“it wasn’t enough to alter the result and even if it was we can’t admit that because that would favour Trump who is a dangerous right wing politician”).

349606 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basics, 2, #1206 of 2354 🔗

Surprised they didn’t call it insurrection

349353 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #1207 of 2354 🔗

For fun, why not try entering “Beijing crowds 2018” into Google Images and play ‘Where’s Masked Wally?’ with any random result. Unless you luck out and pick a photo of a political rally or protest, it’s tougher than the original game. For advanced players, replace Beijing with any large East Asian city.

Brilliant suggestion. Done for Tokyo, Yokohama and Singapore. Not a mask in sight. Thoroughly recommended for anyone that tells you that everyone in Asia wears masks at all times. I lived in Singapore in the late 90s – no masks then – wondered if things had changed. Apparently not!

349386 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #1208 of 2354 🔗

Exactly, if there’s one thing I’m sick of hearing it’s that people in Asia always wear them.

You can find videos of Japanese cities in winter too – with similar.

349415 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #1209 of 2354 🔗

Thanks. I was thinking of doing that myself, as I thought it was one of those big lies. One of those things that you end up never getting round to – if you’re me. I am not surprised by the results of your research,

349354 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1210 of 2354 🔗

This is your life, 2021 style – as defined in a handy checklist by Ireland’s Health Service Executive. We’ve never had it so good.

349376 ▶▶ peter-, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1211 of 2354 🔗

Really chilling to see. The people who designed and signed this off must have severe physiological issues. Dangerous people who need to be permanently locked up so they can’t harm themselves or anyone else.

349385 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to peter-, 4, #1212 of 2354 🔗

And another ‘cartoon’ visual to make it look jolly

349359 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #1213 of 2354 🔗

Heard from the postie (Suffolk) that they have a huge number of postie’s self isolating and that in some areas they are only able to do one delivery a week.

349364 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Victoria, #1214 of 2354 🔗

I live in Suffolk, rural service is dreadful generally though.

349598 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Victoria, #1215 of 2354 🔗

You must live near me (BSE), my local Nextdoor has been busy with comments on that.

350091 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Victoria, #1216 of 2354 🔗

I live in Newmarket and the post hasn’t been too bad. Town is a depressing hell hole though with all the maskoids.

349367 DRW, 6, #1217 of 2354 🔗

Hi all, been off for a few days dealing with Zoom University. This morning’s Post Office visit was a depressing experience more reminiscent of LD1 than LD2 with more places closed again, looks as though the oMfG sCaRy MuTaNt shite has worked although traffic levels were close to normal. Outdoor and indoor queues nearly all maskoids or sufficiently zombified, one couple’s husky dog was about the most lively there until a woman a few spaces behind joined- she did “feel” positively different, if you know what I mean and indeed her face stayed maskless indoors. Returned my thumbs up of approval as I left.

Not many positives from today, although the Spoon’s posters are definitely getting some attention and the primary school I often walk past still had a fair number still attending.

349370 Sarigan (Day 294 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 294 of lockdown), 4, #1218 of 2354 🔗

Extra data allowance for remote learning. This suggests kids won’t be going back anytime soon:

Three
•The recipient will get unlimited data until 31 July 2021 .
•The offer is available to both Pay Monthly and Pay-as-you-go customers.

Virgin Mobile
•The recipient will get 20GB of additional data per month until 31 July 2021 .
•The offer is only available to Pay Monthly customers identified as needing this support. It’s not available to Pay-as-you-go customers.

O2
•Be aware that until the end of January, it may take O2 some time to process requests.
•The recipient will get 40GB of additional data per month until 31 July 2021 .

349384 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sarigan (Day 294 of lockdown), 4, #1219 of 2354 🔗

Great spot. This means the rest of this academic year is cancelled, and restrictions will be extended into the Summer (and thence into the Autumn and Winter). Same as the local elections almost certainly getting pushed back again.

They need the children back at school for a short period to administer the vaccine without parental consent. Thereafter schools can be closed forever.

Observe what they do, not what they say, to see the direction of travel.

349414 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Sarigan (Day 294 of lockdown), 2, #1220 of 2354 🔗

They are simply parading their virtue. Nothing more, nothing less.

349602 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sarigan (Day 294 of lockdown), #1221 of 2354 🔗

Same in Northern Germany, and I guess other parts of Germany, too. But I only check on my families region.

349374 guy153, replying to guy153, 23, #1222 of 2354 🔗

Responsible Covid non-deniers are already breaking many of the ridiculous rules. Once you’re breaking a few it’s easy to break a few more.

Making them tougher is just going to result in even more non-compliance.

349403 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to guy153, 2, #1223 of 2354 🔗

Not on topic, but to continue on from a discussion the other day – I’m not convinced low PCR testing is the reason for low flu prevalence. It could be a factor, but I don’t feel it’s the main one. Australia did a load of flu tests and still saw low prevalence – so I’m a bit stumped to be honest. NPIs will have had some effect, but for me there’s gotta be more to it than that….

350036 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #1224 of 2354 🔗

Australia I believe has real low flu prevalence. They have low prevalence of everything (except RSV which bounced back) and that also proves their testing.

But the low flu prevalence supposedly everywhere is much more of a mystery.

349378 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #1225 of 2354 🔗

Interesting 🧐

The Little Dictator delivered the plea as she claimed the country is in a “really dangerous situation”.

Ordinary families were told to follow the “stay at home” message even though the rules on exercise are not as strict as they were at the start of the pandemic.

Sturgeon spoke out on the same day as she criticised Celtic footballers for a trip to Dubai where they also got some sun on the beach.

At her daily coronavirus briefing, Sturgeon said: “When we say ‘go out for essential exercise’ that’s what we mean – to get exercise, to get some fresh air.

“We’ll not put limits on that like we did in the first lockdown, but we don’t mean, by essential exercise, going on a day trip with other people to the beach or to a park.”

I note the part where it said “she claimed that the country is in a really dangerous situation”

Claimed?? Hmmmmm….are the cracks starting to show here?

The word “claimed”???

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-warns-scots-against-23284440

349382 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 7, #1226 of 2354 🔗

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

Euromomo ahows all-cause mortality in Scotland well below the 5 year average for this time of year

349420 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #1227 of 2354 🔗

“We’ll not put limits on that like we did in the first lockdown, ….”.

Ah, so Bunter won’t either.

349429 ▶▶ Basics, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #1228 of 2354 🔗

Theres a large interal political dimension to her leadership now. The salmond show is heating up beneath her feet. Splits in the old snp beginning to appear. Yes campaign suggesting she needs to go.

Which adds up to popularist pointless sturgeon hour chats. Hopefully a little bit of a pome in the eye for devi… her marionette krankie won’t follow as much as she once did, perhaps.

Irk the globalists in her panic to survive past lies.

349480 ▶▶ jb12, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #1229 of 2354 🔗

If things are as bad as Stalin makes out in her daily addresses, surely Dubai should be more worried that Celtic will bring something over there than the opposite?

349381 Fear is Finite, 5, #1230 of 2354 🔗

New to commenting, but I thought what the hell go for it, as I face yet another day with Whitty in full Agent Smith mode (promo tour special for Lockdown 3: The Return – It’s Still All Your Fault) and a further chastisement from understudy Hancock scheduled for later today.

I was perusing The Times this morning trying to avoid the usual Covid drivel (Clare Foges is showcasing her dark side particularly well today) when I stumbled across an article about China and human rights.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-under-pressure-from-top-tories-to-take-stronger-stand-against-china-rdnbbq67k?shareToken=f886886b99a6e63cbd349d4a3439dfa2

I nearly choked on my breakfast (it’s OK, it wouldn’t be a Covid death) when I read the insert headed “Crackdown is denounced”.

”Britain, Australia, Canada and the United States have issued a joint statement denouncing last week’s arrests of scores of democracy campaigners in Hong Kong under the draconian national security law imposed last summer. The foreign ministers of the countries expressed “serious concern” about the increasingly repressive atmosphere in the territory, and called for respect for “legally guaranteed rights and freedoms”. The Hong Kong government rejected the demands, which it said suggested “people with certain political beliefs should be immune to legal sanctions”.

Oh the exquisite irony. Or is it more “Jesus wept”?

349389 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #1231 of 2354 🔗

https://youtu.be/X8_TM2iNV68

Richmond Council boss tells everyone to stay at home while in Maldives.

349393 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Basics, 7, #1232 of 2354 🔗

i saw this and the hypocrisy is astonishing. By all means go on holiday but when you’re head of council and then send a message to stay at home while lying on the beach. She should have just shut her trap.

349402 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to penelope pitstop, 7, #1233 of 2354 🔗

I bet she talks climate change bollox as well…while flying to the Maldives, which the XR gang tells us is sinking into the sea. (Note to Greta: a country doesn’t invest billions of dollars in building international airports it thinks are going to sink into the sea.)

349410 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to OKUK, 2, #1234 of 2354 🔗

see second paragraph .. Maldives are growing

349417 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to OKUK, 1, #1235 of 2354 🔗

See Dundee’s Tate Gallery for another strange building site given the greta factor. Watercolours on second floor.

349449 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 10, #1236 of 2354 🔗

P.S. Greta we have noticed that you and your mates at XR have been completely silent about the unfolding PPE pollution disaster, which is an immediate and deadly environmental threat worldwide. Obviously it is more important for your human subjects to submit to the humiliation ritual.

349492 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Richard O, 4, #1237 of 2354 🔗

Try pointing that out to any ‘Greenies’ you know. We have and they either look blank or make lame excuses for them, such as, ‘Oh I’m sure they didn’t drop them on the floor deliberately.’

We see more and more of them on bushes, on country paths. And, of course, if they actually go in the bin it’s out of sight, out of mind.

‘If it saves one life. . . . .’ MW

349603 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basics, 2, #1238 of 2354 🔗

Backfired for a lot of politicans.

349395 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1239 of 2354 🔗
349439 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1241 of 2354 🔗

Forza Italia !

349396 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 18, #1242 of 2354 🔗

Great story of a police constable ‘s perceptive in the UK today:

I am a serving police officer and I am writing this to give my
perspective on what is happening to UK policing in the context of this
so-called “Covid crisis”.

I have always been proud of wearing the uniform and holding the office
of constable, but much of what I have seen in the past few months has
made me ashamed of the police service.

Full story:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/lockdown-police-constables-perspective

349409 ▶▶ alw, replying to zacaway, 2, #1243 of 2354 🔗

Thank you will circulate far and wide.

349412 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to alw, 2, #1244 of 2354 🔗

It’s already been posted a bit further down the comments on here.

349433 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to zacaway, 4, #1245 of 2354 🔗

Before we blow smoke up this copper’s bumhole, we should ask what took him so long.

He’s been a copper for 14 years, and it’s only now become clear to him what the state of policing has become? Why did it take him so long?

The retooling of the constable as a weapon of the state was already well underway when he joined up.

Blair, Blunkett and co had long since turned the police into the paramilitary politically correct enforcement arm of their proto-woke creed. The legislation that came after 9/11 and 7/7 (e.g. RIPA) were already embedded. Before then even, Thatcher’s tories had used the police as a tool of oppression. There were many legendary miscarriages of justice and the coppers were a law until themselves. The Macpherson report was seized upon by newly minted Common-Purpose Chief Constables – not to fix the actual problems with policing but as cover for an agenda of left wing activism.

So well done for coming forward and telling us what many of us have know for years. The police are rotten to the core and not fit for purpose.

Have a lollipop.

349397 Freddy Freethinker, 11, #1246 of 2354 🔗

It all feels like it’s hotting up.

How long before Herr Schwab’s predicted Cyber Pandemic kicks in? Fucking lunatics.

Before or after Davos?

Did Epstein & Prince Andrew have anything to do with ‘encouraging’ Charly Boy into being so implicated in all this Agenda shit?

349398 OKUK, 8, #1247 of 2354 🔗

Had to smile. That letter about the CCP influence in all this (something I came to consider key soon after the US election when you see how neatly it dovetails with their work to deliver the Presidency to Beijing Biden) did read a little like the sort of conspiracy theory that Marianna Spring and the BBC get so worked up about. No doubt Marianna is penning a tweet at this very moment citing the sort of “real world harms” that can result e.g. people boycotting their local Chinese takeaway, students declining the opportunity to learn Mandarin and thermonuclear war.

349399 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 7, #1248 of 2354 🔗

Odd isn’t it, now we are apparently free of the EU ..HMG stamp down hard upon us.

349404 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to yohodi, 4, #1249 of 2354 🔗

Somewhat ironic – taking back control of our laws, our money, our borders and our tax cattle.

Seriously, it’s the same everwhere alse in Europe.

349401 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #1250 of 2354 🔗

2021 in one photo as David Scott tweets..

https://twitter.com/Albion_Rover/status/1348600356754903040?s=20

I notice the dignity on the man’s face. Seeing that dignity I look to the other people in the photograph, the band of thugs, I see no faces but body language of shame.

349418 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Basics, 2, #1251 of 2354 🔗

These Stasi thugs need the drop of York

349423 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Basics, 8, #1252 of 2354 🔗

Shameful – I’ve taken the liberty of putting the photo here so it’s recorded on this site.

349436 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1253 of 2354 🔗

Thank you Go.

349487 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to godowneasy, #1254 of 2354 🔗

Coincidentally, I just posted the RT video.
Utterly shameful.

349408 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 10, #1255 of 2354 🔗

Fucking Hypocrite Wanker that you are Boris.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/boris-johnson-spotted-cycling-seven-130635887.html

Now, I’m surprised that Yahoo actually reported this, but they have.

349413 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 7, #1256 of 2354 🔗

Face nappy while riding a bike! Presumably so that no one would spot him.

349426 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1257 of 2354 🔗

I’ve seen motorcyclists wearing em!

349649 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1258 of 2354 🔗

I’m wondering how many bodyguards he has when he goes cycling…

349459 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 10, #1259 of 2354 🔗

Concerned too many people were visiting the park while he was errm visiting the park. OK. This shit is getting ridiculous

349471 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 5, #1260 of 2354 🔗

The govt have encouraged a culture of curtain-twitching and reporting.
What goes round comes round, so the politicians’ personal movements are coming under that same ‘scrutiny’. The more people that report their flexing of the rules the better.

349416 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #1261 of 2354 🔗

If the virus is that infectious and deadly then surely all the ‘rule breakers’ would have died last year

BULLSHIT…….MORE BULLSHIT………MOST BULLSHIT

349437 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1262 of 2354 🔗

A good question for the Chuckle Brothers at the next press conference.

349443 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1263 of 2354 🔗

Not a chance of any serious questions being asked however

349555 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1264 of 2354 🔗

i have never seen the supine arse licking MSM ask a searching questions at any of these propaganda broadcasts . Wouldn’t surprise me if it was scripted

349538 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1265 of 2354 🔗

Ah no, you see they know that we “rule breakers” have a the secret to lifelong immunity that we are not sharing with anyone… we are just SUPER SPREADERS. We go around infecting people (sometimes up to 10 a day) with our asymptomatic powers of infection and our maskless faces. Yet we never get it or die. That is why they hate us.

349421 Guy, 5, #1266 of 2354 🔗

Mike Yeadon has tweeted about a 2006 Biosecurity & Bioterrorism pandemic planning paper with different conclusions to the SAGE thinking. Worth reading…
http://www.upmc-biosecurity.org/website/resources/publications/2006/2006-09-15-diseasemitigationcontrolpandemicflu.html

349425 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 36, #1267 of 2354 🔗

Nadhim Zahawi was asked on Times Radio if people should avoid sitting on park benches, and replied: “Don’t go out and sit or have that opportunity of social interaction, because you’re helping the virus and that’s what we want to avoid.”

what a complete utter fucking moron

349428 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 8, #1268 of 2354 🔗

Which makes him perfect for the role ironically enough

349430 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to steve_w, 9, #1269 of 2354 🔗

Helping the virus, how infantile and idiotic. But then, they think the people are infants and idiots.

349441 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1270 of 2354 🔗

so much of this is just what happens every winter. we can be careful but lets not go over the top

349472 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #1271 of 2354 🔗

The pity is,NN is that a lot of people fit in that category.

349516 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1272 of 2354 🔗

So true.

349431 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to steve_w, 9, #1273 of 2354 🔗

Having had the misfortune in meeting him, I would argue that people should avoid sitting on a bench with him – you might end up being fried in the oil!

349427 Cecil B, 8, #1274 of 2354 🔗

‘I wasn’t breaking the rules, I was cycling around looking for rule breakers’

Think I might try that one

Of did he just get found out as a total fucking hypocrite

349434 wendyk, 6, #1275 of 2354 🔗

https://www.thinkscotland.org/todays-thinking/articles.html?read_full=14398&article=www.thinkscotland.org

For sceptics languishing in Sturgeonia; read and reflect on what faces Scotland .

We are in the cult’s grip; you can bet that shortly The Turning of the Sturgeon Screw will remove the few freedoms left to us.

349435 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #1276 of 2354 🔗

Am I right in thinking that the idea of only being allowed out once a week is now being seriously discussed?

349442 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #1277 of 2354 🔗

I suspect they might be flying a kite with this one.

349448 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1278 of 2354 🔗

Yes Tenchy, but only once a week, remember.

349453 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Tenchy, 13, #1279 of 2354 🔗

One of those things where they suggest something really horrific so when they do something a little less awful we feel pathetically grateful.

349444 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1280 of 2354 🔗

Have you checked today for big ears and big front teeth Philip? You are coming across as a rabbit in a hutch talking to his pal between nibbles on a carrot top.

349454 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Basics, 3, #1281 of 2354 🔗

No, it was mentioned on TR between Mike Graham and Peter Hitchens.

349470 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #1282 of 2354 🔗

Yes, it has been mentioned in daily mail. Your comment struck me that we are all living like rabbits in hutches – might not a rabbit say to another… are we down to one run a week now?

349485 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Basics, 3, #1283 of 2354 🔗

Sorry Basics, I’m a bit slow on the uptake today.

349473 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #1284 of 2354 🔗

Would love to see how they are going to ‘police’ that

349522 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1285 of 2354 🔗

The litmus test will be… whether Wales or Scotland impose it first. Anything they do we are made to do soon after. Nothing in England has been imposed that Wales and Scotland haven’t done first. And they look to Spain, Germany and France for their agenda of human rights abuses. It’s a contest.

349552 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #1286 of 2354 🔗

It’s a lockdown gang. Once initiated they all have to protect each other. If one goes down they all go down.

349438 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1287 of 2354 🔗

Has anyone seen Jayneinthemindfield here recently? She was quite distressed a couple of months back as she’s the sole carer for a disabled child and was really struggling.

349456 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1288 of 2354 🔗

This site is a mirror of LS, updated a few times a day:

https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm

The user stats are here – just ctrl-f for her name: https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/user-stats.htm

Her username is janeinthemindfield – last post according to stats was 11th Dec

349478 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Julian, 1, #1289 of 2354 🔗

Thanks.

349445 NorthumbrianNomad, 16, #1290 of 2354 🔗

Just watching Hannibal, perhaps my favourite series of recent years. Sad, though, because of the scenes of normal life in the rich historical settings of Florence.

People lounging at home in the warm embrace of middle-class lockdown, with Netflix and Amazon providing for their imaginative sustenance, don’t know what’s coming to them. Everything they’re watching, even now, was filmed before March 2020. Everything filmed since is filmed to sustain the illusion of a normal life. They are hooked up to an illusion of the past. How long before they twig that they can no longer go strolling wherever they choose, stopping off here for a chat, here for a coffee, here for an impromptu fuck. How long before they realize that their only freedom comes at the whim of Big Tech and its armoury of visual fantasies?

By the time they notice, it will be too late.

We are the maroons in the forest. Even if the woke doctrine of cultural appropriation tells us we cannot be. We are. We must beat the drums. All night, every night. To frighten them and to wake them up and to invite them to join us.

349446 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 81, #1291 of 2354 🔗

Having a ding dong on Facebook with a (former) friend who wants a night time curfew and for us to only be allowed out once a week for essential supplies. After going round the houses for a bit with him claiming “most people” want more restrictions I simply said: “ok then. If that’s what you want then get on with it! Stay in your house and only come out once a week. Nobody is making you leave home at all. All you people who supposedly want more lockdown can just choose to do it. If you genuinely believe that staying home will save lives and you are the morally upstanding person you think you are don’t you have a duty not to go out? Why do you need to wait for the government to make you stay in?”

His answer to that? Came there none!

When I suggested my son could pop round after work and weld him and his wife in their home, he unfriended me!

349452 ▶▶ Guy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 21, #1292 of 2354 🔗

Love the welding offer!

349461 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Guy, 9, #1293 of 2354 🔗

Soldering is cheaper.

349561 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Guy, 4, #1294 of 2354 🔗

I can brick him in , old Roman style?

350206 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Thomas_E, #1295 of 2354 🔗

With a cask of amontillado?

349455 ▶▶ jb12, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 30, #1296 of 2354 🔗

Excuse my language, but what the fuck do these people think a night-time curfew will do? Covid isn’t a roving gang of bandits that can be made more obvious if everyone stays in after dark.

349464 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to jb12, 7, #1297 of 2354 🔗

Nuts isn’t it. Covid presumably works a night shift.

349481 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to jb12, 8, #1298 of 2354 🔗

It makes even less sense than any of the mad rules we have at the moment. Nowhere is open, so where are people going at night to socialise? Nowhere public.

So when us evil rule breakers have friends or family around, we either have them around in the day time, or we claim that we’re driving for work or some other purpose at night time (if even stopped), or we get our guests to come around in the evening before the “curfew” time and stay the night. These zealots are nutters, they really don’t get it at all.

349484 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to jb12, 12, #1299 of 2354 🔗

So what will people do to avoid the curfew issue? Well, they’ll gather in one home before curfew and stay there all night until they can make their escape in the morning. Now, even the lockdown zealots should be able to figure out that a small group of people eating outside on a patio for a few hours would be less “dangerous” than the same group of people being indoors together overnight. You can’t fix stupid.

349493 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1300 of 2354 🔗

Snap.

349813 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1301 of 2354 🔗

Great minds…!

349697 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1302 of 2354 🔗

They’ve never been able to find a vaccine for stupid but maybe they could rush one through now. (after all until Covid it has taken 43 years to no t find a vaccine for another corona virus – the common cold.)

349689 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to jb12, 1, #1303 of 2354 🔗

Well since the hospitality industry has been well and truly silenced there’s little point in going out after dark anyway unless you’re working – and how will it apply to them? More stupidity for the crap police to enforce.

349458 ▶▶ Basics, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 10, #1304 of 2354 🔗

Did you expose an nasty hidden tendency in your anti friend to want to control others lives – I think you did! How terrible for a grown man to keep such a vile trait hidden even to himself. How will he ever carry on.

Good job on the offer of son to weld in. Thoughtful.

349462 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 18, #1305 of 2354 🔗

Weld him in anyway

349502 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1306 of 2354 🔗

We need a sceptic van with welding squad… you want it you got it emblazened on the side.

349510 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Basics, 5, #1307 of 2354 🔗

Me! Me! Pick me! I want to weld Wancock into an industrial dustbin and dump it into the English Channel…

349764 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1308 of 2354 🔗

I promise to do my 3 Wise Monkeys act if I spot you doing it – hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

349474 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 11, #1309 of 2354 🔗

The problem is, they have made this about the collective, not the individual. Of course we all know that if individuals were left alone to make their own risk assessments we would have been back to normal after Lockdown 1.0. The insidiousness is that we must sacrifice our individual needs and freedoms for the welfare of others, so your ex-friend might very well willing to be welded into his house (loved that!), but unless we are all welded into our houses his sacrifice will be for nothing (in his mind). It is quite brilliant messaging and it has, unfortunately, worked perfectly. Collectivism, in this case, means we must all be equally miserable.

349488 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 14, #1310 of 2354 🔗

I call it New Normal Medicine

i) I socially distance to protect you. You socially distance to protect me.
ii) I wear a mask to protect you. You wear a mask to protect me.
iii) I take the vaccine to protect you. You take the vaccine to protect me.

Back in the real world:
If I take the vaccine to protect you, do you get to share the side effects I have (may include death/permanent disability)?

349505 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #1311 of 2354 🔗

Yes, it’s a compulsory case of ‘misery loves company’ and has been for months.

349533 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 10, #1312 of 2354 🔗

And this is the problem. If you believe the only solution is a collective one what do you do with the smell percentage who will never participate? I honestly think there is a sizeable proportion of the population who would happily see the non compliant and the rule benders imprisoned or even killed “for the greater good”. It is utterly terrifying.

An interesting thing about the man I was arguing with, although he did not serve in the military he always makes a massive drama out of remembrance Sunday, D Day Anniversary, VE anniversary etc. It seems to have completely passed him by that the sacrifice of the greatest generation has been completely trashed because we have effectively given our freedom away in exchange for old people dying miserably and alone with dementia rather then a few months earlier of a respiratory infection but surrounded by loving family. What a waste!

349828 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #1313 of 2354 🔗

That’s what keeps me up at night. I don’t fear the virus, I fear my fellow human beings who would happily lock me up for non-compliance.

349631 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1314 of 2354 🔗

Didn’t someone once say that communism is equal shares of misery for all the plebs? Sounds like what we have at present.

349721 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1315 of 2354 🔗

Collectivism is evil.

349535 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #1316 of 2354 🔗

Ungrateful b’stard. You didn’t even say you’d charge him for the welding.

349544 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 7, #1317 of 2354 🔗

An honest conversation has to be had about those who are genuinely enjoying the fear.

349565 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #1318 of 2354 🔗

Superb stuff, they don’t like it up ’em do they?

I find when talking to people like this the best response is along these lines: “ Look, if I want repetition of government talking points I can just go on the BBC website. If you haven’t got anything interesting or original to say, this conversation is over.

349641 ▶▶ Will, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 7, #1319 of 2354 🔗

This is the thing I don’t get with the zealots. It is perfectly easy to have nothing to do with anyone else if that is what you need to do. We are back shielding because of my daughter. With a minimum of organisation around my click and collect order, I could go for weeks without being within 5 metres of anyone. No one else needs to sacrifice their liberty to keep us safe and I wouldn’t expect them to.

349928 ▶▶ dhid, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1320 of 2354 🔗

When I suggested my son could pop round after work and weld him and his wife in their home, he unfriended me!”

What an ungrateful git, a good welder is hard to find as well!

349451 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #1321 of 2354 🔗

One of the things I love about BBC listen again is when you hear things you can’t quite believe. The following is from the 6PM Radio 4 news on 07.01
“Russia, China and Iran have accused Mr Trump of presiding over a failed system of democracy”.
Surprised the announcer was able to say that without laughing

349460 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1322 of 2354 🔗

They’re absolutely right, though.

349527 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1323 of 2354 🔗

It was already broken. Trump merely brought it into the open.

349564 ▶▶ mj, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1324 of 2354 🔗

BBC announcer will have believed it

349463 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #1325 of 2354 🔗

Biden and Fauci will “save” America from covid-19 as FDA prepares to fix PCR tests , eliminating millions of false positive cases by end of 2021

The spiking number of cases was based on fraudulent covid-19 testing kits that were designed to show a high percentage of positives based on the high number of amplification cycles used. These tests could not decipher infectious virus material and were not designed to determine viral load. This is why inanimate objects tested positive. This is why thousands of deaths were mis-attributed as covid-19 fatalities.

FDA coming clean about false positives, looks to fix test kits as vaccines roll out to make the “pandemic” turn to seasonal illness

Suspiciously, the FDA, the World Health Organization, and America’s top infectious disease expert, Dr. Fauci, are suddenly admitting that the standard PCR test for covid-19 is rendering false results.

Once the FDA strengthens the criteria for PCR tests, limits the number of Ct cycles, and specifies the diagnostic criteria, then the covid-19 case count will fall. This change will be conducted in accordance with the vaccine rollout, to make the vaccines appear effective. This is also being carried out as the Biden administration takes office. Joe Biden’s ‘leadership’ will appear miraculous for stopping covid-19, as labs suddenly report that people’s symptoms of illness are no longer covid-19.

Once the test kits are corrected to show a higher negativity rate, hospitals will report lower cases and people will go back to having their regular colds, flu, RSV, and a host of respiratory infections that circulate every year. The data will support the narrative that shutdowns, masks, and vaccines are effective, as long as they are properly enforced by government officials.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-10-biden-and-fauci-covid-19-fix-pcr-tests.html

349482 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Victoria, 14, #1326 of 2354 🔗

My OH’s been predicting that they’ll just fiddle the test numbers when they’ve decided they want to call the victory. Hopefully, the people with at least half a brain will notice they move the goalposts, but I suspect the media will just swallow and propogate the official narrative.

349531 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to zacaway, 2, #1327 of 2354 🔗

The problem they have in UK is that everyone knows this lockdown is not being even vaguely observed….

349556 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to zacaway, 4, #1328 of 2354 🔗

I don’t think it’s much to do with Biden, more to do with the need to declate victory once the vaccine is deployed. Or not, as the case may be.

349627 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Victoria, 1, #1329 of 2354 🔗

I’m not sure if this is good news, or bad…

349465 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 4, #1330 of 2354 🔗

Emotional blackmail describes a style of manipulation where someone uses your feelings as a way to control your behavior or persuade you to see things their way.

 Emotional Blackmail: Definition, How It Works, and More (healthline.com)

349476 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Steeve, 10, #1331 of 2354 🔗

It is not emotional blackmail. It is far worse – psychological torture. I know of three people who actually committed suicde as a result of the fearmongering, and a failed attempt by the school-age daughter on one of my sister’s nursing friends.

349619 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Ken Garoo, 9, #1332 of 2354 🔗

Yes – I boast of surviving communism in Eastern Europe (when I was young), but I must confess I have moments when my emotions seem to be out of control. This morning was one of those moments, when I read that someone suggested we should be “allowed” out once a week.

349466 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 9, #1333 of 2354 🔗

Good afternoon,

I hope nobody minds me sharing this anecdote, as it relates to the consent procedure or what appears to be a serious lack of.

My Uncle is in his 80s with a variety of serious health issues, and he and his wife live in rural South Oxfordshire.

I’m very fond of him, and he’s been a great support to me before and since my mum (his younger sister) passed away from Alzheimer’s in August, after 3 years in a care home. Therefore I didn’t broach the subject with him when he told me before Christmas he had been offered the vaccine by letter and was going to get it.

Anyway, to cut a long story short my dad called yesterday evening and told me that whilst my Uncle was there in his local surgery getting the second injection (presumably this must be the Pfizer one although admittedly I don’t know), the nurse asked if his wife who is in her mid 70’s, still very active and only there to accompany him, wanted one too! Apparently, she accepted.

My wife works in the beauty industry and told me that anyone wanting an eyebrow or eyelash tint, requires a patch test and must wait for 48hrs before they can go ahead, in case there was an adverse reaction. This is pretty standard for many treatments. She was simply incredulous that something as serious as this could be administered without what appears to be any sort of due diligence.

Best regards

Simon

349500 ▶▶ Kat, replying to SimonCook, 7, #1334 of 2354 🔗

I think you have raised a very important point here. Also, many elderly people are prescribed a number of different drugs to deal with various health problems. Does anyone bother to check whether or not the medication they are taking might be incompatible with the vaccine or provoke an adverse reaction? A one size fits all approach has been adopted to deal with an extremely frail and vulnerable portion of the population. At what stage do we start to ask ourselves if this isn’t some form of abuse?

349534 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Kat, 5, #1335 of 2354 🔗

Hi Kat

As you say, what, if any consideration has been given to how these vaccines react to or with existing medication.

My Uncle jokes about rattling around, he takes so many pills! and he’s fairly regularly had appointments at the Royal Berks since this all started. He’s not the sort of chap to ever complain about his health, so I imagine his thought process is that he’s taken the vaccine to go back to normal and interact with his grandchildren again.

Sadly the trust, that many older people have in these institutions to look after them is almost certainly misplaced.

Best regards

Simon

349666 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Kat, 3, #1336 of 2354 🔗

The MRHA approval documents clearly state that no studies on interaction with other drugs have been carried out.
So obviously there is not going to be any problem is there?

349675 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Kat, 2, #1337 of 2354 🔗

Don’t have to stop to ask. It is. Period.

349521 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to SimonCook, 4, #1338 of 2354 🔗

Because of the shelf life and problems with roll out, they are just offering anyone who wants one to come along. Shambolic stuff.

349611 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1339 of 2354 🔗

This is because the concept of “public health” has replaced the old-fashioned idea of healthcare for an individual patient.

349467 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #1340 of 2354 🔗

“Furthermore, most of the public believes that if there were anything untoward about the science behind lockdowns, intelligence agencies would stop them. For obvious reasons, those who work at intelligence agencies do not have the luxury of such complacency. Given the gravity of the decisions being made, we cannot ignore the possibility that the entire science of COVID-19 lockdowns has been a fraud of unprecedented proportion, deliberately promulgated by the Chinese Communist Party and its collaborators to impoverish the nations who implemented it.”

Fucking hilarious! So the Chinese made us destroy our country!?

Back in late 2019, the western MSM was piling onto China claiming they were not handling the outbreak properly.

Early in 2020, the Chinese released details of the information they had gathered so far regarding the disease. They stated that in order to confirm the diagnosis of symptomatic hospitalised patients, they had to use two PCR tests with a two weeek separation, and a chest x-ray.

We use one (highly dodgy) PCR test on asymptomatic people and claim the asymptomatic positives are ‘cases’ – cuz China!

The Chinese also said the disease was bad, but they have had worse (eg pneumonic plague from Mongolia) and the worst thing to do was panic. Cf Whitty’s statement that the disease is harmless to the great majority of people.

Then they made us use a loophole in the 1984 Public Health Act to run an endless unchallangeable scam driven by periodic random rule changes?!?

WHO is actually to blame? That is a good question. The vaccine pushers led by BG and his cortege of sycophants? Maybe those carrying out gain-of-function research in the US? Maybe a leak from one of the dozens of outsourced US bioweapons labs dotted around the borders of Russia and China, and around resource rich areas of Africa? There is only one country in the world that has used all three forms of WMD in anger, and that is the US.

I notice Simon Dolan is in on this BS. I donated to his legal action. I regret doing so now.

349499 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ken Garoo, 7, #1341 of 2354 🔗

This is all a very steep and steepening learning curve for me, steeper even than the confected graphs of “cases” in London – so I find myself contradicting what I said a few weeks ago. Happily, a week ago I blew a major fuse and deleted all my comments, so nobody need find out about my inconsistency. So here goes.

I hold no torches for the CCP but I suspect it is being used as a scapegoat in the west for incompetence and arrogant malice that is entirely home-grown.

349517 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #1342 of 2354 🔗

I have a feeling Ferguson is going to end up going the way of Dr Kelly….

349524 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Will, 2, #1343 of 2354 🔗

He’s blundered off into the woods today, that’s for sure…

349547 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Will, 9, #1344 of 2354 🔗

He will if I get hold of him…

349632 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Will, #1345 of 2354 🔗

I’m sure his married strumpet will be on hand to provide the kiss of life

349553 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #1346 of 2354 🔗

I hold no torches for the CCP but I suspect it is being used as a scapegoat in the west for incompetence and arrogant malice that is entirely home-grown.”

Of course it’s home-grown – the PM is indeed in charge. Any PM will have pressures from abroad as well as at home, but he made the final calls.

But that doesn’t mean it is not valid to look at China’s role and question whether they acted in good faith. I suspect they did not and if this comes to light it doesn’t excuse what our govt did, and it strengthens our case that the whole thing is nonsense

349506 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Ken Garoo, 3, #1347 of 2354 🔗

Well I think Ivor Cummins for one would disagree with you.

349518 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ken Garoo, 7, #1348 of 2354 🔗

Whatever the truth of the matter I don’t see any mileage in blaming China or anything that let’s our government and media off the hook in some way. They are fully accountable whatever the influences.

349542 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Achilles, 2, #1349 of 2354 🔗

Nobody but the government and the stooges “advising” them.

349541 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ken Garoo, 3, #1350 of 2354 🔗

SD does look like he’s fallen through the rabbit hole.

349546 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ken Garoo, 9, #1351 of 2354 🔗

I notice Simon Dolan is in on this BS. I donated to his legal action. I regret doing so now.”

I’ve seen nothing from Dolan that suggests he would in any way excuse what our own govt have done, I think the idea of this is to show that we’re following a false narrative

It seems to me that China has come out of this well and no-one else has

The Dolan legal case stood as valid on its own merits and it was worth a try and Dolan made it happen

349592 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 2, #1352 of 2354 🔗

So true Julian

349604 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Victoria, 2, #1353 of 2354 🔗

Yes – why should it be either/or? The governments are accountable (not just our government), but it doesn’t mean that CCP is innocent.

349591 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ken Garoo, 6, #1354 of 2354 🔗

WHY are you bashing Simon Dolan???
WHAT do you mean that he ‘ is in on this ‘ BS?

So funny, at the start of this madness Governments, MSM and social media banned / smeared anyone that challenged the ‘virus escaped from the laboratory’ narrative. Now Governments are investigating the exact thing – and are stonewalled by the Chinese Government.

Always keep an open mind. Always challenge the narrative

349610 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ken Garoo, 3, #1355 of 2354 🔗

Think of the situation as a stage play where the director (CCP) gave the actors (dupes in the West) a prompt to perform a scene a certain way.

There is culpability on both sides.

349468 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 6, #1356 of 2354 🔗

Don’t know how many caught this piece of Police depravity.
92 year old veteran campaigner Eric, arrested at the Assange bail hearing.
It’s these sorts of images that will provoke public outrage if widely shared and aired.

Thank God for RT, Subject Access and others, who ensure there is a documentary record of these types of events.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULbhYpMBEzk

349490 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #1357 of 2354 🔗

Unfortunately, they won’t provoke outrage even if every single person in the country sees them. Though they obviously should.

349469 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 45, #1358 of 2354 🔗

Leaflet put through the letterbox of a friend in York. One of the best examples I’ve seen. Created by https://wakeupyorkshire.com/ .

349486 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Quernus, 12, #1359 of 2354 🔗

great leaflet

349520 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Quernus, 10, #1360 of 2354 🔗

Really good. Not preachy or data driven, just nudging people to ask some questions.

349629 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Quernus, 2, #1361 of 2354 🔗

I had this through my letterbox a few months ago, completely forgot to mention it!

349645 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Quernus, 3, #1362 of 2354 🔗

Excellent, this is very well thought out.

If you know anyone who would answer ‘No’ to all of the above questions, then you should call mental health services with immediate effect.

349477 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 21, #1363 of 2354 🔗

It is clear to me from listening to the coverage of the Public Accounts Committee, that the UK government paid upfront money to fund at least in part the development of the vaccines. This put the UK public purse at substantial risk if they did not prove successful in trials. This, IMHO, is why there is such pressure to get the vaccine rolled out. If the vaccines are not in arms, it will become very apparent there has been an enormous waste and/or risk being taken by the UK government on very risky vaccine development. It is constantly being presented as an enormous success that the UK has secured access to 300m doses, but in fact, we only did so by taking on enormous risk, sanctioned by Mr Johnson. It became apparent from Kate Bingham and others that UK government, despite taking on substantial upfront development risk, has not received any of the IP value. If we do not use the doses, having paid upfront, they will be given away to developing countries. The IP value, however, will remain with the shareholders of the companies who did the development.

349489 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 5, #1364 of 2354 🔗

Thanks for listening and reporting.
Good account to read.

Wasnt it said the pharma was taking the risk by pre producing billions… goodness of heart came into statements iirc.

Bingham is the spikey haired made over one formely of investment banking? Is that right I get my sneering sleazes mixed up.

349566 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Basics, 5, #1365 of 2354 🔗

Clearly little, if any, pre-production. Begs the question, what was the money used for – to fund the additional trials? The whole thing stinks of regulatory capture and NAO needs to look very carefully at this – commercial interests melded with regulatory process cast in an environment of political expediency.

Kate is from the venture capital industry. No venture capitalist would fund a project like this, with capital at risk, and no stake in the IP.

349718 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, -1, #1366 of 2354 🔗

“This put the UK public purse at substantial risk ”

The public purse is never at risk. They were paid in Sterling and they paid their employees, who paid the shops, etc. It all ends up back in HM’s coffers eventually because they don’t use Sterling anywhere else.

Money works like a hot tub. Government spending just causes more bubbles in the existing water by moving it round a bit faster.

349494 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1368 of 2354 🔗

I’ve just realised who Whitless reminds me of, it’s Max Schreck in Nosfuratu but obviously without the personality.

349576 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1369 of 2354 🔗

Beat you to it FP – posted that earlier!!

349601 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to vargas99, 1, #1370 of 2354 🔗

Great minds, etc.

349495 Fruitbat, replying to Fruitbat, 20, #1371 of 2354 🔗

I work as an NHS audiologist and the only way I have been able to continue working since we reopened is because we have been able to justify wearing visors instead of masks on account of our hard of hearing patients needing visual clues or lipreading. The patients are all asked to wear masks and the vast majority are happy to do so. By the governments own definition I am mask exempt due to severe distress, partly because of something that happened when I was a child but mostly because I have looked extensively into the science and the evidence against mask use for healthy people is pretty clear, so forcing me to wear one is like asking me to believe that 2+2=5.

It’s been local policy that whenever we are in a room on our own or sat 2 metres apart from a colleague we can be unmasked. On Saturday my manager and I conducted an interview sat two meters apart and on previous occasions like this we would have all been unmasked. However, my manager said she had a cold so chose to keep her mask on throughout the interview and afterwards when we were talking. Today I received an email from her saying that because she now has a slight temperature she is going for a test and because I wasn’t wearing a mask on Saturday I will now have to wear a mask for all appointments until she gets her result and if she is positive I will have to isolate until I can get a test. If I refuse to comply with this I will face disciplinary action. Needless to say, I am feeling pretty angry and frustrated about this. I absolutely love my job and care deeply about my patients and would never do anything that I thought for a moment might put them in harms way. But this notion that we must all behave like we are potential vectors for disease even when we have no symptoms whatsoever is just criminal in my opinion.

349609 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Fruitbat, 11, #1372 of 2354 🔗

If your manager is that concerned about covid she should never have been near you with a cold. She, according to the Covidista rules, put YOU in harms way. I’d be tempted to sue her for distress.

349628 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Fruitbat, 3, #1373 of 2354 🔗

What disciplinary action?

349646 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fruitbat, 2, #1374 of 2354 🔗

Wearing a mask while you have a cold will likely make it worse hence the temperature – self inflicted

349653 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Fruitbat, 2, #1375 of 2354 🔗

That’s shocking. This is probably the wrong advice for somebody who really cares about their patients but I’d just go off sick with something unrelated until she has had her test…

349662 ▶▶ Guy, replying to Fruitbat, 4, #1376 of 2354 🔗

Sorry to hear of your issue and I hope it gets resolved. Picking up on your opening sentence,
I’m partly deaf and use visual cues / lip movement to accompany sound to work out what people are saying and I find this current situation incredibly frustrating when face shields comply with the guidelines. Why does everyone wear masks? I cannot have a conversation with the pharmacist, the shopkeeper etc anymore. Driving me nuts when there was no science around it to begin with when they were ‘following the science’.

350099 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Fruitbat, #1377 of 2354 🔗

I’d be livid. It’s not because you weren’t wearing a mask, it’s because she exposed you while she was symptomatic. Masks don’t stop spread, so the action she took was clearly reckless. If it were me, I would offer to comply voluntarily on the proviso that this fact is acknowledged formally in writing.

350461 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Fruitbat, #1378 of 2354 🔗

Sicky. Headache for the first few days, depending on how your vile manager’s test comes out.

If it’s longer term there’s always stress.

349498 chaos, replying to chaos, 13, #1379 of 2354 🔗

Boris thinks gaslighting your electorate is a risk-free strategy.

349878 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to chaos, #1380 of 2354 🔗

Yeah no risk leaving the whole population psychologically damaged for decades to come.

I dread to think of the mental health fallout this is going to bring on in our future adults.

Boris is opening Pandora’s box with this Behavioural psychology unit/Nudge theory mind games.

349501 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 26, #1381 of 2354 🔗

Now MPs have been asked to wear face coverings in the Commons chamber whenever possible by Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle.
He has asked members to wear masks “all the time apart from, obviously, when we’re speaking”.
————————————————————————————————
I don’t see why they get this exemption – it’s outrageous. We know the masks don’t do much for the virus but they are very effective at muffling bullshit so I believe they SHOULD wear them when they are talking.

349529 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to godowneasy, 9, #1382 of 2354 🔗

Stuff five in their mouths and duct tape the mouths shut.

349562 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1383 of 2354 🔗

if they are going to take their masks off to speak then they should at least stand on one leg – give and take

349574 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1384 of 2354 🔗

So, everyone else can remove their muzzle when speaking then, yes? Not much point in having them then is there?

349642 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to vargas99, 6, #1385 of 2354 🔗

We’re told speaking is bad – almost as bad as singing – because you project droplets

So taking them off to speak is utter nonsense, if you believe they help at all in protecting others

349588 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1386 of 2354 🔗

The thin end of the wedge.
I cannot STAND to see anyone wearing these muzzles while they’re speaking. It’s virtue signalling at its very worst, as well as being rude and ignorant.

349503 chaos, replying to chaos, 65, #1387 of 2354 🔗

A flotilla of dinghies was intercepted in the English Channel this morning. The occupants said they were fleeing tyranny, poverty, and persecution. The authorities escorted them back to their homes in Sussex after issuing large fines.

349507 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to chaos, 10, #1388 of 2354 🔗

Lol. Satire lives on.

349514 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to chaos, 5, #1389 of 2354 🔗

BRILLIANT.

349525 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, 3, #1390 of 2354 🔗

Salty-rical

349573 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to chaos, 7, #1391 of 2354 🔗

You joke, but soon it’ll ne no vaccine no travel, so I’ve already plotted my escape route to Belarus and yes it does involve a dingy crossing. At least in belarus they don’t have an illusion of democracy but I don’t have to be not free with a facemask on.

349620 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, 3, #1392 of 2354 🔗

Don’t give the Poison Pygmy in the Home Office any ideas

349504 steve_w, 11, #1393 of 2354 🔗

PCR testing is plagued by false positives which are driven mainly by contamination

why not use this to advantage?

set Ct =50

get swab out and just wave it in the air. send it off to be tested . this will say how much is ‘in the environment’ which is roughly what we are doing at the moment – the error comes when we associate the result with a patient

349512 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 25, #1394 of 2354 🔗

Just heard that the local village primary school currently has 70% of the pupils (they are all key workers children – apparently the definition changed). The school can’t handle this high number and has written a letter to the parents asking them that if they do not physically have to go to work then to keep the children at home instead of sending them to school.

Single mother’s response to school (2 children ages 5 and 7):

I barely make enough to feed my children. My work requires me to be online for the whole working. It will be impossible to assist my children with distance learning. What will happen to their education?

349519 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Victoria, 7, #1395 of 2354 🔗

I remember when village schools were being closed down for not having enough pupils.

349543 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1396 of 2354 🔗

Correction:
70% of the normal number of children (200) are at school as key worker children, whilst the other 30% must be happy with sub standard distance learning

349523 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Victoria, 3, #1397 of 2354 🔗

we dant need no educashion

remember Tony Blair.. that man said education education education

he was right to education is important too the kids. your kids.. their our hope and future.

349539 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 6, #1398 of 2354 🔗

The working class will have no education going forward

349596 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #1399 of 2354 🔗

Dangerous stuff education – people might be encouraged to ask questions.

349630 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to redbirdpete, #1400 of 2354 🔗

More education more stupid.

349581 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Victoria, 3, #1401 of 2354 🔗

I’d ask them what exactly has changed so dramatically in their teaching methods between this week and the beginning of last week when they were able to accommodate 100% of the children.

The distance learning for primary schools seems to consist of worksheets etc, so I can’t see it adding to the workload in a way that having to be on a zoom screen at the same time as teaching children in the class would…

349622 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Victoria, 5, #1402 of 2354 🔗

The cynic in me says that as key workers as defined by the govt are overwhelmingly public sector, they are in the process of setting up different entitlements for the public sector nomenklatura.
They already have different standards of health care for the privileged elite in the health service, education transport etc to follow?

349530 Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 26, #1403 of 2354 🔗

My next door neighbor is a Head Mistress. Every weekend we can hear much laughter and the voices of visitors, someone/couple stay over, none of which adds up to being just a bubble visitor.
Live and let live I say so I have no health/moral complaint but it does really rub it in when we can’t see family at all.

Are they all Common Purpose and secretly exempt from the rules?

Meanwhile we’re stuck at home trying to teach our children, my wife getting very stressed, my children’s education dragging along very slowly. The short online video session with their teacher shows a sizable number of children physically present in class at school.
So first class education for key worker children and sod all for mine and everyone else’s.

All these disparities are sickening and a bloody wind-up.

349569 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 11, #1404 of 2354 🔗

dob the bitch in! NO, really don’t. She’s human like all of us, but perhaps when you see her next just tell her you forgive her for her frailties of spirit and morality

349589 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to vargas99, 3, #1405 of 2354 🔗

Don’t dob the bitch in until they are making it pay per grass! Think wallet at all times.

349582 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 11, #1406 of 2354 🔗

Go and see your family, FF. If you don’t, you’re rubbing it in for yourself.

349605 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 8, #1407 of 2354 🔗

Sounds like you have a decent enough neighbour to be fair, my neighbours have visitors all the time so I can rest assured that they aren’t bothered about the comings and goings at my house. Seems you might have the same. Go and see who you want, invite who you want to your house! It’s your house!

Classify yourself as a key worker if you can. It’s the same as playing the silly ‘mask exempt’ game. Abuse their dumb rules to your advantage wherever you can.

349639 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 4, #1408 of 2354 🔗

Sounds like she’s just breaking the rules. Good for her. Suggest you do too.

349661 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 5, #1409 of 2354 🔗

If she is enforcing masks on her pupils, then definitely call the Police. And then call them again next time she has visitors. Make her life a misery.

If she isn’t, leave her alone to do whatever she bloody likes in her own home.

349861 ▶▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Richard O, 1, #1410 of 2354 🔗

I will never ever call the Police on anyone regarding this covid stasi shit. I’d rather die in a ditch, to quote some moppy-haired fat cunt.

It’s the parents and in-laws that are fully gonzoid and won’t meet up, I’d be happy too.

I agree, very pleased to see people secretly living their lives, but it does make wonder if there is a network of Common Purpose all going about life as normal, immune to the the pressures that the rest of us are facing.

349970 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 3, #1411 of 2354 🔗

If you are teaching your children at home, ignore the school syllabus, do not try to recreate school: that would just be a counter-productive for your children and a nightmare of stress for you. Instead, encourage them to find out about things they are interested in. It does not matter what those things are, anything will do. Encourage them to take exercise, read stories, write their responses, explore their own world.

350027 ▶▶▶ jayp, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1412 of 2354 🔗

Me and my Grandkids age 5 and 7 are looking at new stuff under the microscope , hoping to get some blood to view , suppose it will have to be mine LOL

350055 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to jayp, #1413 of 2354 🔗

Cool.

349536 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 4, #1414 of 2354 🔗

‘We seem to have given up on population control, and all sorts of explanations are offered for the surrender.’

https://www.boris-johnson.com/2007/10/25/global-population-control/

h/t ‘Cal’ at OffG.

349545 ▶▶ chaos, replying to rockoman, 1, #1415 of 2354 🔗

he was an awful opinion writer.. but what he wrote was scary…

349560 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to rockoman, 4, #1416 of 2354 🔗

He seems to have skipped the “grown up discussion” bit I’m afraid

349612 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to vargas99, #1417 of 2354 🔗

socialist style guardianship

349684 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to rockoman, 1, #1418 of 2354 🔗

Read it and posted on here months ago – OffGuardian just catching up.

349537 chaos, replying to chaos, 26, #1419 of 2354 🔗

Oh I yearn for those heady days of freedom in 2020. When you could still wave to your dying parent through a window, when you could say good morning to someone on a walk and see their lips repond.

349728 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to chaos, 2, #1420 of 2354 🔗

Mind boggling at the thought of having to use sign language to greet any friend one comes across whilst out for a walk – particularly if they mandated mask-wearing in the street (ie could you smile at anyone?). So wave/thumbs up signs/quick lowering of mask to show a smile etc – until they decide to outlaw that as well and tell us all to walk past each other totally straightfaced/no body language/no sign whatsoever of knowing them. Errrr…I think I’m joking….

349549 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #1421 of 2354 🔗
349577 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Victoria, 6, #1422 of 2354 🔗

we’ll find out after the current experiment….

349621 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1423 of 2354 🔗

But in 5 years time?

349673 ▶▶▶▶ Guy, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1424 of 2354 🔗

Auto-immune diseases I believe take 5-10 years from initial cause for symptoms to materialise and then a further 5-10 years for the medical system to diagnose it so even 5 years may be optimistic!

349550 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 22, #1425 of 2354 🔗

I am going to bed – after another medicinal dose of Korean rice wine to ward off the covidian air, of course. I will leave you for today with this thought. The idea of overthrowing the absolutist state was inconceivable in France in 1788.By 1452, the Roman Empire (which is what they still called it) had existed for 2,300 years and the idea it might disappear next year was impossible to compute for the people of Constantinople.

We are approaching that kind of unimaginable sea-change. The ones who seem unassailable today will prove to be built of ash. Human. Nature. Will. Out.

Good night.

349563 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #1426 of 2354 🔗

Yes,NN.
Soviet union in the late 80’s.
English commonwealth (Republic) in 1658.

349587 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #1427 of 2354 🔗

Berlin Wall in 1989

349935 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1428 of 2354 🔗

Sleep well, NN, and thank you.

349559 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #1429 of 2354 🔗

Does anyone know where we are with Are therethe possible use of Ivermectin in the UK? Are there any official trials? Is it a drug that is used at all in the UK?

349568 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Steve Martindale, 18, #1430 of 2354 🔗

unfortunately it is cheap, safe and effective and is therefor not recommended and possibly illegal

349607 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1431 of 2354 🔗

What do you mean it isn’t safe?
The mix used in Animal medicines isn’t or something else?
Invermectin is certainly deemed as incredibly safe and effective in the rest of the world.
Is there some reason the formula for UK is different?

349638 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1432 of 2354 🔗

It is very safe in the correct dose and used as per instructions.

349615 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 4, #1433 of 2354 🔗

our horses prefer it to worms

349580 ▶▶ Guy, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1434 of 2354 🔗

A meta analysis was issued in the UK with positive results.but like Vitamin D anything that interferes with the vaccine rollout is likely to be not promoted I would suggest…

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/348230894_Ivermectin_reduces_the_risk_of_death_from_COVID-19_-a_rapid_review_and_meta-analysis_in_support_of_the_recommendation_of_the_Front_Line_COVID-19_Critical_Care_Alliance

349597 ▶▶ assoc, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1435 of 2354 🔗

How would you take it?

349652 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to assoc, 5, #1436 of 2354 🔗

We can just hope that the NHS start using Ivermectin that is proven to save lives – their failure to do so contributes to many people dying unnecessary

If you can’t find safe dosages for Ivermectin you would be better off taking high dose vitamin C (Liposomal is better absorbed) every hour for the first day of getting symptoms and then around 2g 3x per day until better. As preventative about 1-2 g per day.
Then optimise your vitamin D levels – take 4,000 IU – 10,000 IU of vitamin D3 per day. Always take with vitamin K2 and Magnesium.
Zinc is also highly recommended – the loss of smell thing with Covid is due to a Zinc deficiency that quickly builds up as the body burns through Zinc when fighting a virus.
Drink sufficient water so that the urine is straw coloured.
Eliminate all sugar – sugar depletes the immune system and also depletes certain nutrients

349793 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Victoria, 3, #1437 of 2354 🔗

That’s pretty much my daily regimen — 8,000 IU of D3, K2, Magnesium, Zinc with copper, Vit C, and Quercetin.

349635 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1438 of 2354 🔗

It is used for parasitic infection in human and veterinary medicine. Not yet used for COVID here but is being used in States.

349695 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to ituex, 1, #1439 of 2354 🔗

The medical grade could be purer than the version vets give to pets.That’s probably all.

It sounds an incredibly useful drug, like metformin (which is also out of patent and ‘cheap as chips’.)

349643 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1440 of 2354 🔗

I found this, dating from May. It speaks of ”off label” use. So it was being looked at even then. Didn’t move on much, did it? Or did it?

https://authorea.com/users/314049/articles/446731-pharmacokinetic-considerations-on-the-repurposing-of-ivermectin-for-treatment-of-covid-19?commit=24738e25e14e802bc9ba9b05c91707a01806405c

349570 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #1441 of 2354 🔗

I wish we had someone like Theresa May in charge.

349572 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to chaos, 11, #1442 of 2354 🔗

however crap she was, she was motivated by duty

349623 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1443 of 2354 🔗

I always had a soft spot for her, she seemed like a more natural conservative than the PM, and with more humility

But I don’t know much about her

349694 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1444 of 2354 🔗

Agree. She made a terrible mess of Brexit of course, but she was fundamentally more honest than this shower. With her in charge I don’t think we’d be here – if only because her cabinet were, whether you like them or not, individuals of higher stature than the non-entities in Johnson’s cabal.

349792 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to chaos, 2, #1445 of 2354 🔗

May was the enforcer of trans orthodoxy. Softened us up for Covid pseudo-science. I can now believe twelve contradictory things before breakfast. How many fingers am I holding up?

349583 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #1446 of 2354 🔗

One here for people finding it hard to be hopeful. 18 minutes of thoughts about looking positively at our individual situations.

https://youtu.be/Cy_nlBzoVdk

Spiritual discernment and positive energy. Worth making a cup of tea and slowing down to listen.

349600 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #1447 of 2354 🔗

Should add that matrix is mentioned, as a way of describing the web of lies woven around us. It might not be everybodies cup of tea. Good thoughts never the less.

349585 steve_w, 2, #1448 of 2354 🔗

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

cases, patients and deaths all going up in lockstep. just testing issues, but they will all fall together after the peak of infectiousness in society this week

349608 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 18, #1449 of 2354 🔗

A great ne w plan for us the sheeple of this island

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9133541/Coronavirus-UK-Government-toughen-Englands-lockdown.html

Can’t wait to be told I can leave the house once a week and me completely ignoring it after I wiped away the tears of laughter. To quote a legendary movie: Never go full retard !!

349618 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #1450 of 2354 🔗

Absolutely. What will get even more retarded (if that’s possible) if we see days of ALL Covid deaths. We apparently already had one

349625 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #1451 of 2354 🔗

They really are going full retard. Amazing! I told my wife about this once a week thing and she burst into laughter.

349659 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #1452 of 2354 🔗

So did my son. And he never goes anywhere.

349708 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #1453 of 2354 🔗

I would like to know how this disorganised mess of a government would police this one.

349613 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 15, #1454 of 2354 🔗

Government Health Warning : Avoid sharpening your intellect. If you use Occam’s Razor you could be cutting your own throat. Remember: Accident and Emergency departments are now only treating those with a Government Approved respiratory infection.

349808 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1455 of 2354 🔗

But that will be fine if you are happy to bleed to death in your own home.

349614 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 24, #1456 of 2354 🔗

We have Blair with his obsession with vaccinations to get his ID passport business going, Proper Charlie with his obsession for sustainability and getting back to the horse and cart for the plebs, then Green Carrie messing with Johnson’s head, Hancock and his long love in with Gates, SAGE touting for money, that’s a lot of nutters for one country

349656 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1457 of 2354 🔗

And then there’s Gove!

349663 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #1458 of 2354 🔗

Yes, it all surely explains the mess we’re in.

349674 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 6, #1459 of 2354 🔗

And worse still Sir Knee Schmarmer.

349775 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #1460 of 2354 🔗

I am depressed.

349616 stevie, #1461 of 2354 🔗

From the Guardian Politics Live: A question from below the line.
https://avatar.guim.co.uk/user/1879670
Finchleyjohn
11 January 2021 12:59pm

Hi Andrew
Has anyone asked about the impact of the various, often high profile, disinformation campaigns and Covid denial messages on the work that the Government is trying to do in terms of transmission reduction and the Vaccine?
Could the Govt be doing more either directly or indirectly (appealing to their media friends in high places) to quieten these voices?
The government announced an agreement with the social media companies covering this issue towards the end of last year. “Facebook, Twitter and Google committed to the principle that no company should profit from or promote Covid-19 anti-vaccine disinformation, to respond to flagged content more swiftly, and to work with authorities to promote scientifically accurate messages,” the government said.
Labour has called for legislation on this issue, but the government has not taken up this idea.
As for what impact anti-vax disinformation actually has, I’m not aware of any research on this, although I presume someone has tried to quantify the impact.

349626 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 20, #1462 of 2354 🔗

Currently doing some renovations in our home, in the bathroom store both me and the wife had our lanyard card on. The guy serving us ask we got them from, as he would like one. Yes he was wearing a mask, but we could both see he was struggling with it.

In the electrical store the guy told us to “put your masks on” we pointed at our lanyard cards, but he didn’t know what they were, and he just wanted us to comply with the regulations for which we told him it was the regulations that except people didn’t need a mask. So much ignorance out there with regards the mask, but then again who knows I can leave the house tomorrow morning and break any number of new rules that are invented tonight.

349648 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Andrew K, 12, #1463 of 2354 🔗

Confusion reigns, particularly among those who crave self-importance.

349633 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 15, #1464 of 2354 🔗

It begins:

Morrisons’ chief executive, David Potts, said: “Those who are offered a face covering and decline to wear one won’t be allowed to shop at Morrisons unless they are medically exempt.

No mention of how this ‘medical exemption’ will be proved, or of the Equalities Act.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55618408

349651 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Sam Vimes, 13, #1465 of 2354 🔗

So that’s Morrison’s off the list as well!

349672 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to DanClarke, 11, #1466 of 2354 🔗

My short message to their CEO is GFY.

I’ve not been hassled at Lidl or Aldi, only at Morrisons or Sainsbury’s.

I haven’t been to Asda or Tesco since 2019.

349722 ▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1467 of 2354 🔗

I was in Morrisons this morning. Checking shopping through the self-service big till, turned around to find two faces smiling whilst awaiting their turn. The three of us nodded acknowledgement at each other. Not all Morrisons are heavy (yet).

349665 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #1468 of 2354 🔗

Could someone with a legal background write them a letter re discrimination

Funny, the lady at the self help tills the other day said that they were very quiet.

349712 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Victoria, 4, #1469 of 2354 🔗

Any of us could write the letter. If they are simply going to ask why you don’t have a muzzle, then accept that you are exempt, ok, but if not, what kind of ‘proof’ are they going to demand? None is currently required, either by law or guidance.

349749 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1470 of 2354 🔗

It’s all just heavy handed nudging.
It must not be proven, and it actually cannot be proven, as GPS refuse to get involved and issue certificates, see my 2 links to practices above.

The government and businesses would be idiotic if they changed the law in that regard: they have 99% compliance already (as expected to no effect, of course), the police and GPS can focus on more important things and there is no culture war because of this, yet.
In contrast to e.g. Germany, where the police does nothing but hunting the maskless, deems all medical certificates to be fake, where doctors issuing them now get prosecuted, where the courts are busy with these cases and where the population is showing its worst character again.
As for the result of their mask mandate, see the numbers since introduction, as everywhere…

349636 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 32, #1471 of 2354 🔗

Trip to Tesco just now. I must confess to invoking the spirit of our own Bruce Reynolds before I went in! Managed to avoid the door security and quickly got what I needed. But boy, there is something deeply unsetting about being the only person in a large supermarket without a mask. Anyway, no aggro I am relieved to report.

349683 ▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 13, #1472 of 2354 🔗

I went to Tesco this morning – got dirty look off door security as I just walked in. I must admit, I don’t find it unsettling at all to be the only person among scores, even hundreds, of people in a large store. Rather, liberating.

I get the feeling this is going to start getting nasty though.

349693 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 7, #1473 of 2354 🔗

What I find unsettling is their bovine compliance. Once I’d got past the door goon, I was OK. But I agree, the recent ramping up of the maskless = evil vs masked-up = virtuous may potentially embolden some idiots to have a go.

349706 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to kh1485, 9, #1474 of 2354 🔗

I don’t understand the obsession with us. You can barely see an unmasked person in any store. I supposed they are just running out of scapegoats to blame.

349725 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1475 of 2354 🔗

Yes, they’re just looking or scapegoats now. Good that they are getting desperate I suppose.

350352 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, #1476 of 2354 🔗

Compliance enforcement.

349737 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 9, #1477 of 2354 🔗

bovine compliance – yes, that really gets my goat. At least in the Second World War I guess Britain was worth saving, deserved to be saved.

I keep asking myself the question now though: do this lot deserve to live in a decent society??

I’m struggling to give an affirmative answer, which is very scary as there’s a lot of living I intend to do yet and I have small children, who I also want to have good lives.

As Biker has said on several occasions, ‘fuck anyone who wears a face mask’.

349914 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to TJN, 1, #1478 of 2354 🔗

‘fuck anyone who wears a face mask’.”

Lol – I’d rather not!

350052 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to dhid, #1479 of 2354 🔗

The word ‘fuck’ has many different meanings …

350357 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, #1480 of 2354 🔗

“After Friedrich Nietzsche declared that “God is Dead” – the word FUCK has become the most important word in the English language.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch ?
v=6D7rWLzloOI&list=PLoIlJ9lpzEUR1J1KnNpJD_GiZYQY_gE9D

349723 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 7, #1481 of 2354 🔗

My local Greggs all the staff masked today behind their extensive screens. Could not understand the muffles from the girl serving me, and naturally leaned in.
Haven’t been out much, but am quite sure they were not muzzled last time.

349870 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Silke David, 2, #1482 of 2354 🔗

Those perspex screens make me laugh – the ones with the cut out at the bottom so you can hand over your cash. Has it not occurred to them that the virus might sneak in that way!

350021 ▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 1, #1483 of 2354 🔗

Usually a short hesitation from the girl at the door in Tesco followed by a nice smile and ‘good morning’. Never had any hassle and often a nice chat at the girls at the checkout (sadly now all masked under company orders).

349644 Wolver, replying to Wolver, 25, #1484 of 2354 🔗

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55618408

Morrisons will bar customers who refuse to wear face coverings from its shops amid rising coronavirus infections.
From Monday, shoppers who refuse to wear face masks offered by staff will not be allowed inside, unless they are medically exempt .

So no change then?..

Bit I don’t like is this;
However, retail industry body the British Retail Consortium said that, workers have faced an increase in incidents of violence and abuse when trying to encourage shoppers to put them on.

Now people who are exempt are being painted as violent..

And just a quick reminder of the law around face coverings.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

https://www.laworfiction.com/2020/09/face-covering-some-pretend-law/

https://www.laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf

Don’t let them bully you.

349647 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Wolver, 8, #1485 of 2354 🔗

‘Now people who are exempt are being painted as violent..’

we are

349654 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Wolver, 11, #1486 of 2354 🔗

It’s almost like people don’t like being “reminded” every two seconds. Cheeky cunts. You don’t go round shops reminding them of health and safety law.

349657 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Wolver, 27, #1487 of 2354 🔗

This is surely more propaganda. Whenever I have been shopping (per my post just now), I have been the only person not wearing a mask. I would lke to know where all these aggressive non-mask wearers are because I’ve never seen them. The aggression comes from the other side.

349676 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to kh1485, 20, #1488 of 2354 🔗

Me too. I go to Waitrose and Sainsbury’s regularly. The security guards are lovely. I say, “I’m legally exempt” confidently as I walk in. No trouble. One nasty woman ran away from me screaming “ugh you’re not wearing a mask!” once but then a nice man came to check if I was alright after my brush with hysteria. NO other non-mask wearers except half the staff (who all wear sunflower lanyards. The media propaganda is sickening!

349729 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #1489 of 2354 🔗

I’ve never had the slightest problem in Lidl, Aldi or Sainsbury’s. Occasionally I point my exemption badge at the door person if there is one. No customer has ever said a word to me about my unmasked state.

349658 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Wolver, 10, #1490 of 2354 🔗

The security cunts at Morrisons now stand at the door on the way in filming you with a body camera. I always try to give them a filthy look as I stare at their spy camera, but it seems they’re trained to avoid eye contact.

350330 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, #1491 of 2354 🔗

Body cams? I never liked Morrisons but if it were the only supermarket for miles, I’d still drive to a different one!

349669 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Wolver, 13, #1492 of 2354 🔗

So , I’ve just emailed my GP practice asking them to confirm whether or not they are able to provide a medical exemption certificate. I assume they will reply no, but at least I will then have it in writing so will be able to use it with my self exemption statement (laworfiction). It’s a drag as so far I’ve never had to show it or even bothered with a lanyard, but I suspect things are about to get nasty for us.

349681 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to vargas99, 5, #1493 of 2354 🔗

Great! Please let us know of your GPs response

349696 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Victoria, 3, #1494 of 2354 🔗

E-mailing it to Toby may be a good idea.

349727 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Victoria, 10, #1495 of 2354 🔗

Very quick reply:

Good afternoon
GP practices have been advised to refer patients to http://www.gov.uk and search for face covering exemption, where you can self-declare

Many thanks
ChertseyHC

No surprise (except for the speed of the response) so I’ll just carry a copy of that with me, just in case.

349740 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JayBee, 4, #1497 of 2354 🔗

“Civic duty and courtesy to others”? Shouldn’t that be reciprocal.

No-one knows what someone else’s health/personal history is, so they shouldn’t judge. It’s not up to me to make someone else ‘feel’ safe but it is incumbent upon them to not force something on me that I know will make me ill.

I would love just five minutes with that idiotic Morrisons CEO to explain, liberty aside, just why I can’t wear a mask.

349677 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Wolver, 6, #1498 of 2354 🔗

And another fucking thing, if they insist on customers wearing muzzles, how about their own staff following suit? Most of the checkout operators don’t wear them, and neither do the assistants – sorry, colleagues, LOL, fuck off! – working on the delicatessen.

349686 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1499 of 2354 🔗

Most of the checkout operators don’t wear them…”

I’m bloody glad they don’t! – You’d have to be stupid to suggest otherwise…..

349704 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1500 of 2354 🔗

How about no-one following suit? Still no evidence to prove it is of benefit to anyone, outside of dribbling surgeons.
Where’s all the supermarket staff Covid deaths then? (thankfully nowhere, of course). Yet people are now going to be denied food purchase on the basis of it.

Wrong on so many levels.

350340 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1501 of 2354 🔗

Checkout operators are exempt because of the perspex screen.
Floor assistants only need to wear a muzzle if they can’t keep “a reasonable distance” from the customers.

349679 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Wolver, 12, #1502 of 2354 🔗

I wonder if the big supermarket chains have been ordered to do this by the government? Stands to reason given that they are more or less the only public places open at the moment.

None of them will ever be getting my business again.

349685 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Wolver, 11, #1503 of 2354 🔗

Re muzzles – I have been wondering for a while why the police wear them. It says this on the govt website, re exemptions:

”…. there are some circumstances where people may not be able to wear a face covering……
This includes

  • police officers and other emergency workers, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public

So they don’t need to. But it all helps with the intimidation and the sinister disguise, so it serves a purpose.

349777 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Banjones, 3, #1504 of 2354 🔗

It’s totally optics. When the sheeple see the cops wearing masks outdoors they believe it’s “the law” and they need to put one on as well. I’m quite certain the rise in outdoor mask wearing, despite the being no law (yet), is due to seeing figures in authority wearing them.

350349 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1505 of 2354 🔗

All part of the great psy-op.

350345 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, #1506 of 2354 🔗

My PC friend told me they get into trouble if they don’t wear one.

349700 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Wolver, 9, #1507 of 2354 🔗

I have no idea why they so worried about those who don’t wear a mask in shops. We are an absolutely tiny minority.

349750 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JHUNTZ, 12, #1508 of 2354 🔗

Scapegoats for lockdown failure

349702 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Wolver, 6, #1509 of 2354 🔗

Shame on pseudo-“Trade Union” USDAW for claiming that “their members” are “worried”, nay, “furious” about the people who ultimately pay their wages, ie me and you, aren’t wearing muzzles 100%.

This is USDAW’s modus operandi however. They are, and remain, a STOOGE UNION.
They’ll only ever stick their necks out on trivial H&S issues, or matters like this where they can hide behing the State’s skirt.

I should know – I was a member for a decade or so until fairly recently. When Paddy Lillis was elected leader in 2018 he was seen as someone who might have a bit of “fire in his belly”, unlike the knock-kneed Blairite tosspot John Hannett who he succeeded. Lillis has turned out to be, of course, just as weak.

I call BULLSHIT on USDAW’s claims about their members’ “concerns”. It’s just USDAW doing what USDAW do best – being the State’s “Useful idiots”.

349761 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Matt The Cat, 1, #1510 of 2354 🔗

I belonged to USDAW years ago; they were useless then.

349762 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Wolver, 1, #1511 of 2354 🔗

Some people, we have to accept, really ARE afraid, even though they’re sceptics. So they should be encouraged to read the government’s website and see what it says about ”face coverings”. They should wear a scarf or kerchief OF THEIR CHOOSING, and not one of these bits of Chinese paper (that the police seem to be issued with) and wear it nonchalantly.
Don’t give in to these mindless thralls without asserting SOME gesture of independence.

349660 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 12, #1512 of 2354 🔗

Why not class all deaths as Covid related and have done with it.

349664 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1513 of 2354 🔗

Have Whitty do a mass blessing over the results.

349687 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #1514 of 2354 🔗

They’re nearly there, aren’t they?
(”Just ignore the tyre marks, nurse. I see he had a test three weeks ago. Put him on the list.”)

349717 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1515 of 2354 🔗

Husband looked at the graphs for excess deaths since last March. At that time the graphs show excess deaths from Covid (in orange) and from other things (in white). Now, ALL excess deaths are Covid – there is no white area at all.

349904 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1516 of 2354 🔗

I think that is the policy

349667 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 31, #1517 of 2354 🔗

Just heard that one of my colleagues’ father died over the weekend, from Covid. It’s actually the first person I know who’s known someone who died from Covid, so curious to find out more. Turns out his father was admitted to hospital for heart surgery last week but then he apparently caught Covid while he was in the hospital, then died from respiratory