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350617 Elisabeth, replying to Elisabeth, 11, #1 of 2382 🔗

Wooo hooo!!

350619 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Elisabeth, 2, #2 of 2382 🔗

Hmm Hope you don’t stay up all night just to do that

350620 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #3 of 2382 🔗

Not 11 pm here yet still early!

350618 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 145, #4 of 2382 🔗

The reason for the general panic is not that “the virus” is running riot, it’s that people’s assumptions are being destroyed. Assumptions about humans being in control of nature. Assumptions about “the government” being able to “take care of” people. Assumptions about everything being for the best in the best of all possible worlds. We’re well rid of such assumptions. But a lot of people are very scared.

It’s a time for cool heads.

As I’m sure all the broadcast and print media will be rushing to report today, the acknowledged expert Professor Neil Ferguson now believes that London is on the verge of herd immunity. Where London goes, the rest of the country will soon follow. Infection rates will begin to fall and will fall precipitously. The government will claim that lockdown has done this, but it’s just nature.

Spring is just around the corner. And with it, a reckoning.

350623 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 98, #5 of 2382 🔗

Hopefully their view of the police has changed too, Police no longer represent Law & Order but Control & Domination & that was before covid. When police conduct is worse than the criminals questions need to be asked. Like the unnecessary man handling, use of handcuffs, escalation of violence at slightest none compliance to unlawful commands & then there’s the theft (FPN’s) extortion with menace & provocation of innocent citizens into dubious arrests & charges. Respect for the law. There needs to be reform starting with training, training in de-escalation not brute force. The politicisation of police is another paragraph.

350692 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Anti_socialist, 76, #6 of 2382 🔗

There is certainly a sea change going on re police it seems and whether they (and our opinion of them) will ever go back to normal is open for debate. I freely admit that I’m someone who has gone through life confidently – knowing the police are there for me (albeit opinion duly revised noticeably considering their low hit rate for catching criminals). But to have to revise it yet further – and know the fact that I’m obviously female/obviously British/obviously middle-class and therefore they are obviously there for my benefit – and they seem to have forgotten that fact – is proving rather of a surprise to me. In fact, if anything, to know they seem to be more likely to pick on women than men and definitely more likely to pick on an obviously normal/obviously law-abiding person like myself than to head for the criminals they are supposed to be there for dealing with is taking some getting my head round.

350822 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to ElizaP, 42, #7 of 2382 🔗

I agree with you – the indigenous middle classes are easier to pick on knowing they would submit easily to ridiculous diktats by low intelligence plods. They don’t dare approach the more challenging parts of the city and society. They are nothing but feeble cowards on the whole.

350704 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 66, #8 of 2382 🔗

I mentioned here a few days’ ago that I thought that the UK police was an improvement from the police in my home country who aren’t trusted by the public and are seen as crooks in uniform. How wrong I was!

2020-2021 have exposed the ugly face of the police and their protestations of “cuts”, “poverty” and “racism” as their excuse for inability to solve crimes such as grooming gangs, assault, theft, knife crime, anti-social behaviour, domestic violence, crimes against BAME women has been exposed as lies given how quick they are to harass old people and women for the “sin” on going out and having a coffee or sitting on a park bench.

The line has been crossed and the police should not be surprised if the public stop treating them with respect and stop engaging with them. Not to mention being told to take a hike if they’re raising funds for their charities.

Never Again.

350771 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bart Simpson, 59, #9 of 2382 🔗

The police have always been obnoxious if your the wrong age, wrong class, wrong colour, wrong sex, poor & any combination of the above.

I grew up on a poor working class council estate & they would persecute any young working class male walking minding his own business.

But now they’ve taken that attitude to a whole new level, intimidation simply to provoke a response & make spurious charges, its all about control now & their training has become excessively violent.

I’ve never been in trouble with the law, don;t think i’ve even seen the inside of court in my 55 years on this planet. But I don’t trust police, they’re dishonest, violent & corrupt. Say nothing to them.

You can’t even say they do a difficult job, trolling twitter & Facebook for pronoun crimes isn’t hardwork.

350792 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 24, #10 of 2382 🔗

Exactly. My distrust of the police was honed by growing up and living in a Third World country. Doesn’t matter wherever you are in the world, the police are not your friend and not to be trusted.

You can’t even say they do a difficult job, trolling twitter & Facebook for pronoun crimes isn’t hardwork.

They would rather go after “pretend” crimes to show that they’re still working. But the public ain’t stupid, they know this isn’t work.

351246 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bart Simpson, 23, #11 of 2382 🔗

I was quite white middle-class naive about them even though I took the bus to school through an estate where the walls were graffitied with ALL COPPERS ARE BASTED (culinary advice there from Hannibal Lecter).

Thailand has well and truly opened my eyes to the creative opportunities available to a police force if it really puts its mind to it. And I can now see that the British police are not far behind.

351942 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #12 of 2382 🔗

I was born & grew up in a country not far from Thailand and yep, the police there are never trusted and are always avoided like the plague.

351701 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Bart Simpson, 21, #13 of 2382 🔗

Mark Steyn summed up the UK police:

“ ‘In Britain, everything is policed except crime’”

“It has become very apparent that British policemen are very aggressive when dealing with the passive, and very passive when dealing with the aggressive.”

351857 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nessimmersion, 12, #14 of 2382 🔗

Arrogant too. Just about to get to the zebra crossing and one in a car just drove straight across. He had plenty of time to stop. Tosser.

352913 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Bart Simpson, #15 of 2382 🔗

Another anti-police here too. Worked for the with/for them for 22 years and was previously very pro-police. No more.

351101 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #16 of 2382 🔗

Brits have become very German.
Not good.
A German.

350625 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 45, #17 of 2382 🔗

You may recall my worrying post yesterday of mortality in the local NHS Region rocketing 50% overnight ?
I am pleased to report that mortality has since plummeted with none of the 1.8m people in the region sadlidying of the Covid yesterday. Are we saved yet ?

350640 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to karenovirus, 26, #18 of 2382 🔗

One of the follies of this virus hoo-haa has been the rush to supply instant statistics and the day to day variables that then ensue. There is a reason the ONS take 10 – 14 days to issue the total registered death figures, because they are correct and properly compiled.

350648 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #19 of 2382 🔗

Local Live (mirror group news) provide these daily reports usually with an alarming headline followed by a boring list of places with cases. Only at the very end do they give the normally very low mortality.

Indeed the ONS has been excellent throughout although I gather they are now suppressing some of the stats that they used to produce.
Has overall mortality for 2020 been provided yet ?

350903 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 16, #20 of 2382 🔗

YES! Great news I have just burnt my face mask.

351228 ▶▶▶▶ petgor, replying to Spikedee1, 25, #21 of 2382 🔗

I’ve never possessed one. What angers me is that I have plead an exemption rather than what is true – principle.

351866 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to petgor, 9, #22 of 2382 🔗

Surely, if the very idea of wearing a face nappy makes your blood boil, you must be medically exempt?

352331 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam club, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #23 of 2382 🔗

i told the store manager it distresses me. he still said have to wear a mask.

350683 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 35, #24 of 2382 🔗

The general panic and hysteria is a direct result of the ‘hard hitting emotional messaging’ that the government engaged in back in March.
The effect on people cut off from all social networks has been horrendous,as this went on for months with the daily death count with no qualifying statistics.

350727 ▶▶ Will, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 72, #25 of 2382 🔗

The whole country is on the verge of herd immunity. If we had opened up the country in the middle of April we would have been spared most of this “second wave”. Indeed, because people would have had much more robust immune systems in that extraordinary spring sunshine, we may well have been spared the small number of excess deaths we are currently seeing. And maybe, the virus would have mutated, if it was spread by healthy immune systems, into a much less contagious strain…

352139 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Will, 9, #26 of 2382 🔗

The second wave is largely propaganda and it is still without the bodybags.

350798 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 37, #27 of 2382 🔗

The country needed leadership, and probably still does. But we have headless chickens infesting our entire establishment and public sector.

That reckoning cannot come soon enough.

350898 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 27, #28 of 2382 🔗

Don’t know if anybody read Laura’s piece above the line? She described a thought experiment. You have a railway line that splits into two. On one track you have 5 people tied and on the other one. You have the lever to control which line is used. Do you pull the lever and condem the 5 or condem the one? At the moment the NHS is condemning the five. How can this be the correct option? I would also try and suggest option C, let’s learn how to get the brakes to work!!

351275 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #29 of 2382 🔗

Now which track do you think the train will be on when it comes back?

351759 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Crimson Avenger, 1, #30 of 2382 🔗

The Hellbound Train.


Savoy Brown – Hellbound Train

351558 ▶▶ Alci, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #31 of 2382 🔗

Herd immunity doesn’t mean the virus disappears though. Just means it’s in steady state. It’ll be back every autumn, and with it, the general panic. I’d love to be wrong…

351743 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Alci, 5, #32 of 2382 🔗

Why should there be a general panic unless it’s manufactured? There isn’t about the flu however much bthe MSM play it up.

352424 ▶▶▶▶ Alci, replying to HoMojo, 2, #33 of 2382 🔗

There may not be about the flu, but there will be about covid. Because everyone’s already scared. Media will push for ongoing widespread testing. Testing will show an increase in cases in Oct/Nov. And we’ll be off again…

350621 Elisabeth, replying to Elisabeth, 128, #34 of 2382 🔗

Australia is forcing masks and lockdowns on everyone for the few cases they have. Germany has stores closed, everyone is getting rushed vaccines foisted off on them for what is basically a severe cold, what you guys in the UK are experiencing is nothing short of insanity, and Big Tech is censoring everyone that questions the biggest election fraud in history. I feel like I’m in some dystopian nightmare.
Someone please wake me!!

350624 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Elisabeth, 66, #35 of 2382 🔗

You are in a dystopian nightmare unfortunately looks like you’re fully AWAKE!

350627 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Anti_socialist, 17, #36 of 2382 🔗

😩 😫 😭

350631 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Elisabeth, 15, #37 of 2382 🔗

There’s no comfort in a lie sorry. 😀

350890 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #38 of 2382 🔗

Agreed, I have always lived by this and therefore was always a mixed bag amongst my friends. One of them once said to a fame ale friend of mine who had boyfriend issues ( many,many years ago) and she asked him if she should ask me for advice: Talk to him if you want to hear the truth, but you might not want to hear what he will tell you !

351742 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Elisabeth, 2, #39 of 2382 🔗

It’s a daymare and a nightmare.

351878 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #40 of 2382 🔗

I’m afraid I sleep like a log every night.

352753 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #41 of 2382 🔗

a “dusk ’til dawn” mare horror show. Bedauerlicherweise.

350675 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Elisabeth, 24, #42 of 2382 🔗

Exactly. Where is that mythical gigantic solar flare that knocks out the whole world’s communications systems when we actually need it? (I’m sure it would spare LS. It would work like the Ark of the Covenant at the end of the Indiana Jones film. We’d just be standing there watching all the baddies’ faces light up and fry off.)

350948 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 31, #43 of 2382 🔗

That would be interesting. If we had no msm, no twitter and especially no poxy bbc, how would you know anything was wrong. As someone was saying on YouTube if this was a pandemic you could see it for yourself. You would all know of people who had died, you would see people out and about ill. Loads of your friends would be off work ill. A&E would be overflowing and every ward would be full up. Sorry Mr handjob you are a lying prick.

351709 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #44 of 2382 🔗

Carrington Event of 1859.
Not mythical and a tad more inconvenient these days.

351840 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Elisabeth, 1, #45 of 2382 🔗

“It’s a special kind of nightmare.. the kind that happens when you’re awake.”


350622 awildgoose, 5, #46 of 2382 🔗

A reckoning, you say?

The Reckoning – YouTube

350626 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 50, #47 of 2382 🔗

Hancock has no shame, just hours after being humiliated by the withdrawal by Derbyshire police of the fine on two women for having a coffee ‘picnic’ he defies joint cabinet responsibility by backing supermarkets who take it upon themselves to bar unmasked shoppers.

350701 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to karenovirus, 34, #48 of 2382 🔗

If there’s any justice in this world – Hancock catches something/anything Very Nasty and that’s the last we see of him #prettyplease.

351193 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to ElizaP, 6, #49 of 2382 🔗

I keep hoping…

350707 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 44, #50 of 2382 🔗

They’re trying to get #BoycottMorrisons trending on Twitter. Makes you wonder if these supermarkets have not learned especially after Asda was nearly taken to court over harassing a man with dementia because he wasn’t wearing a mask.

My only wish now is that Hancock gets his just desserts and Morrisons gets sued for discrimination and harassment.

352168 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #51 of 2382 🔗

Are they operating under coercion?

350712 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 47, #52 of 2382 🔗

I would like him to explain this to people with disabilities/medical conditions and victims of rape for whom the wearing of masks will provoke extreme distress and harm. Go on, Matt, explain it …

350983 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 41, #53 of 2382 🔗

Its easy really Mr Handjob just give me the evidence that masks have stopped transmission. Show me conclusive proof of how an old t-shirt made into a face covering prevents the spread of a micro virus. Show me the evidence of why after two months of strict lockdown your cases are still increasing. These are your metrics and they keep failing. So your policies have done what, the NHS is two weeks away from being overwhelmed according to twatty, we have one of the worse death rates in Europe, cases are rising out of control (again using your published figure’s) and all of this with the whole country locked under house arrest. So explain to me in what way any of this can be called a successful strategy? And why you still have a job? After 10 months of this shit, at what point does someone with average intelligence say, do you know what, this might not be working, do we have another plan?

351467 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to karenovirus, 11, #54 of 2382 🔗

How can he say that when the government guidelines clearly state exemptions and that no documentation of proof is necessary.

351716 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Hattie, 2, #55 of 2382 🔗
352385 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #56 of 2382 🔗

The Health and Safety Executive proved masks totally ineffective against viruses in 2008. The government know masks are useless. http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr619.pdf

350628 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 86, #57 of 2382 🔗

Dear Aunt Sally.

I am worried that I might be in an abusive relationship that might amount to Coercive Control.
I am only allowed out of the house once a day, I am not allowed to socialise with my friends or even see relatives. Recently I have been told not to stop and chat to people on the street.
I am forced to work from home but this is impossible because I have three children to care for which my partner refuses to allow to go to school.
I tried to voice my concerns to the local PCSO but he just yelled at me to get back in the house.
I have e-mailed my MP but he does not reply, my GP is only responding to requests for flu and Covid vaccinations.
My partner has recently relented somewhat in allowing the kids to use the local playground but I feel it likely that he will spitefully stop that again.

Tunbridge Wells.

350630 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 15, #58 of 2382 🔗

Least your MP replied. When I emailed Ian Blackford MP, subject header ‘SOS’, regarding my abusive relationship with Chairman Nicola Sturg-un, he ignored me.

350635 ▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 59, #59 of 2382 🔗

Dear Desperate

The situation you describe is perfectly normal and you are a criminal for daring to complain about it. You are guilty of crimethink for even daring to think it isn’t normal.

Go carefully. You are on the List.

Aunt Sally

350661 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 5, #60 of 2382 🔗

Blame ConstantBees, they started it.

350629 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 104, #61 of 2382 🔗

PM’s concern at the other people using the park

That’s the point these comfortably entitled liberals with nice big gardens fancy pads in the city & 2nd homes in the country who have ignored the housing crisis in this country for decades.

Have no concept of how many people live in cramped accommodation, maybe a pokey little flat, perhaps a bedsit or even B&B. imagine being trapped in that for months wouldn’t you want some fresh air? Where would you go to get it, the local park? & if people aren’t at work no wonder you see people in the park!

Not everyone lives in a roomy detached house in the country with a large garden & few neighbours, i’m one of the lucky ones, one of my biggest nightmares is living in a cramped ex council flat, these people have my greatest sympathy.

350632 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 84, #62 of 2382 🔗

PMs concern at OTHER PEOPLE
using the park.
Something similar occured on BBC R4 news yesterday morning. A reporter was interviewing people on a London street about whether they thought lockdown was being policed rigorously enough.

A woman said disapprovingly
‘Well just look around you, all these people out and about as though there was no lockdown’

The irony escaped both her and the interviewer.

350652 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to karenovirus, 69, #63 of 2382 🔗

I hear that all the time.
“I went to the park yesterday and it was heaving. Honestly, no wonder the R rate is up”.
Same goes for that London official this week who demanded we all stay home, tweeted from her holiday in the Caribbean, or Piers Morgan over Xmas.
Boris riding his bike (complete with security detail by the way) through a park while commenting disparagingly on people being in the park is just part of a modern phenomenon of cognitive dissonance that seems very specific to Covid.
Even the very notion of “don’t be selfish, stay home” is predicated on thousands of people from rubbish collectors, to Netflix technicians to supermarket workers, going out to work so that you can angrily demand we all stay home.
Lockdown, presenting itself as a selfless act, is the most self centred time imaginable.

350672 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to danny, 41, #64 of 2382 🔗

The last copy of the Telegraph that I bought in late March had an excellent cartoon.
Two metropolitan types are lounging by the pool in their spacious garden while their children play tennis.
In the background are three tower blocks with manyhued persons craning out of windows and on crowded balconies.

Mr M reads from his paper ‘I say Lucinda there is a terrible story about thousands of people invading Brockwell Park over the weekend’.

Mrs M ‘some people can be so selfish dahling’.

350705 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to danny, 16, #65 of 2382 🔗

We do need to call them on it – re any time one of those Covid hypocrites says it directly to us.

350785 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to karenovirus, 18, #66 of 2382 🔗

Drives me mad when I’m stuck in a traffic jam. I always wonder why the other drivers are on the road and why they can’t take public transport/walk or just not travel at all .

350795 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to arfurmo, 4, #67 of 2382 🔗

I agree, all those other dreadful drivers are just so selfish.

350970 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 3, #68 of 2382 🔗

especially on Sunday

350846 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to karenovirus, 17, #69 of 2382 🔗

Our local fb grumbled site is full of people complaining that there were too many people in the supermarket- not including them obviously!

351783 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 5, #70 of 2382 🔗

This is a war against inalienable rights and basic intelligence.

350670 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #71 of 2382 🔗

yes and imagine being there with CHILDREN, that must be one of the lower circles of hell; domestic violence and child abuse can be the only possible result, encompassing people who love their chlldren deeply and in normal circumstances would have managed to be good parents

350724 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 60, #72 of 2382 🔗

That ties in nicely with Priti Patel’s “Stay local, save lives” tweet. Which went down like a lead balloon and was hammered mercilessly including yours truly who wrote this:

This stay local, save lives is wearing thin now.

It’s OK if you live in a beautiful area with a lovely house, garden & green space. Not OK for those in bad areas, small flat, no garden, no green space.


And its not just tone deaf politicians, journalists, academics and slebs who don’t get this but the hordes of lockdownistas who think that lockdown is lovely and allows them to save money commuting not realising that not everyone has their good fortune of lovely homes in lovely areas, green spaces, well stocked high streets with chi-chi cafes and butchers. I live in one of those not so good areas where the lack of green spaces, decent shops and anti-social behaviour rampant has led to my mental health taking a hammering during the first lockdown.

That’s why I’ve snubbed “well meaning” family and friends who still continue to shed crocodile tears. Now that push has come to shove, I’ve seen them for who they truly are.

350905 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #73 of 2382 🔗

The poison pygmy

350737 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Anti_socialist, 63, #74 of 2382 🔗

The other thing I notice is that all these Covidians are not just comfortable financially and practically but socially too. They are almost always married with kids. They have no concept of what it might be like to be stuck inside 24/7 alone or with landlord/relatives/housemates that you don’t like.
These people have also been forced to put their social lives on hold so there’s been no hope for people who want to make new friends/relationships.

350881 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 45, #75 of 2382 🔗

Lockdown certainly hasn’t been good for my mental health, which was poor even before the pandemic!

Doesn’t help that I’m a 40-year old stuck living with overprotective parents: my poor mother (frazzled by caring for an autistic 32-year old daughter with the mental ability of a 6-year old, and whose husband suffered a major stroke 9 years ago) threatened (back in 2014) to commit suicide if I ever moved out! (And then who would care for my sister?)

The fact that (since my dad’s stroke) I’m the only driver in the house, and perhaps the only person in the household capable of giving my mother a half-decent conversation, may also be part of it.

350917 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to GCarty80, 31, #76 of 2382 🔗

Correction you do not live with an overprotective parent , you live with an abuser. Lets call a spade a spade shall we. As somebody who suffered emotional and psychical abuse in my childhood ( one which my parents still expalin by the fact my mother had a mental health issue) this is emotional blackmail to a 100th degree. My mother did that repeatedly (still try’s) and the consequences of this were that I left a very ,very prestigious university in year 3 to join the Army and escaped to Afghanistan. Even a war zone felt more liberating than being around her! You are in a bad place , I understand that and in a very distressing situation but let me tell you something, this will NEVER STOP!! There will always be a reason and she is stopping you from living your life. Do what you will but you are wasting your life and her well being is not your responsibility , neither is the well being of your sister . It might be if she tops herself, but what will that change plus you can than cross that bridge? She is a bully, a coward and a selfish bitch and your relationship is not based on love, respect but your complete enslavement. Sorry I got a bit over the top but I have been there, got the tshirt, went to war and came back with CPTSD.

352312 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #77 of 2382 🔗

Exactly….they are all smug bastards more or less without exception in my experience. They are mostly left wing too and claim to care about the poor and under privileged. They have been found out.

352870 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo Emilian, replying to Boris Bullshit, #78 of 2382 🔗

Of the champagne socialist type who probably live in nice houses. James O’ Brien of LBC sums them up.

350763 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Anti_socialist, 34, #79 of 2382 🔗

It really is sinister when the state would prefer you parked your kids in front of the TV all day than take them to the park!

350823 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to LS99, 20, #80 of 2382 🔗

Until early last year you had educational experts decrying the practice of shoving an iPad or mobile phone in front of a child. Now where are they?

351808 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #81 of 2382 🔗

In kindergarten surfing the web.

351810 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #82 of 2382 🔗

In my day we played with building blocks.

352371 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #83 of 2382 🔗

On furlough.

350952 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to LS99, 6, #84 of 2382 🔗

Ah if they weren’t at home just think of all that propaganda they would miss.

350832 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #85 of 2382 🔗

I agree with you. The unselfconscious arrogance of Bojo and his followers is worthy of an Eisenstein film.

You can imagine the scene: Prince Boris rides his bicycle into the park. He stops, stares disapprovingly at the lower orders socialising in what he clearly believes should be open space for his own exclusive use.

351028 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ovis, 7, #86 of 2382 🔗

More like Boris Godunov and if he isn’t careful he’s about to unleash a Time of Troubles.

351045 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #87 of 2382 🔗

Boris Godunov has some redeeming features. Even a capacity for sincere repentance. There is a genuine greatness to him.

Johnson is more like some fat fatuous spoilt princess.

351127 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ovis, 8, #88 of 2382 🔗

Agree. And Boris Godunov did manage to rule decently but the same can’t be said for Johnson.

351821 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ovis, #89 of 2382 🔗

You forgot Princess N N.

352405 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 1, #90 of 2382 🔗

“what he clearly believes should be open space for his own exclusive use”

Isn’t that what Bill Gates wants as well. The vaccines should do the trick.

350634 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #92 of 2382 🔗

Sorry, it’s got to be one from todays suggestions

Boris Johnson is a BIG BUMBAHOLE

350680 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 4, #93 of 2382 🔗

Is that a rule or just guidance, coz i’m not to good with rules.

351824 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, #94 of 2382 🔗

Bumbling Boris.

350636 jos, replying to jos, 52, #95 of 2382 🔗

At the BBC briefing yesterday (yes I watched it – having studied statement analysis I find it interesting to spot the areas of stress in the speeches) Hancock said the vaccines will prevent people getting covid – isn’t that a contradiction of what was previously said – that they only reduce the symptoms? Shouldn’t the Health Secretary know this as it is a significant difference and, if true, might encourage some sceptics to roll up their sleeves (not this one) – surely we need to know..

350642 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jos, 43, #96 of 2382 🔗

As per the Solzhenitsyn quote, he lies, we know he lies, he knows we know he lies yet still he lies.

350979 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to jos, 6, #97 of 2382 🔗

Porton Down should be reporting this week on whether vaccines can stop transmission. Not unless Hancock has got an advance report?

350637 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 58, #98 of 2382 🔗

Whitty gets ever crazier claiming people chatting outside are spreading the disease. I’ve only heard one single anecdotal report of anyone catching the virus by chatting outside and that was in China. I’ve a friend who is a GP who said they loved chatting to folk on their daily walks so even medical people think it a safe thing to do.

Doesn’t stupid Whitty realise people go crazy with no social contact at all? Then if people are banned from doing something reasonable and safe, they will mix more in indoor settings, maybe a tiny poorly ventilated flat where infections spread easily.

350644 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 15, #99 of 2382 🔗

Plenty of people, especially young men, are passing the time visiting each other
in their homes.

350853 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to karenovirus, 8, #100 of 2382 🔗

A few people I know who use Tinder, are still very busy, even if it’s a bit clandestine, guess it adds to the fun. Good for them.

350659 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 16, #101 of 2382 🔗

Talking banned.
Next: Breathing.

350674 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #102 of 2382 🔗

As Tom Lehrer once sang;

If you visit American City
You will find it very pretty
Just two things of which you must beware
Don’t drink the water and don’t breathe the air

351831 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #103 of 2382 🔗

Pollution, pollution …

351943 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #104 of 2382 🔗

Wear a gas mask and a veil
Then you can breathe
S’long as you don’t inhale!

350838 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #105 of 2382 🔗

Hence, masks! Just amend the ‘rules’ to stipulate a specification, such as an inch thick and/or made of cling film. Cue polling to show 98percent support.

350662 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 37, #106 of 2382 🔗

The health tyrants remind me of a teenager so obsessed with their computer game that they cannot be dragged away from the key board to eat or sleep or wash. The Covid thing has become a big game obsession with them and nothing matters except hitting the maximum score and they are deaf and blind to anything that distracts them from their megalomaniac obsession. This has come at a time when our political leaders are so appallingly bad that there is no management of these tyrants who now rule our lives.

350756 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #107 of 2382 🔗

They treat us as if we are just pixels in a video sim game where you can remove anything you like without consequences.

350930 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #108 of 2382 🔗

Oh so true. They are truly drunk on the power now.

351250 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Jo Dominich, 5, #109 of 2382 🔗

The collaborators and sheep handed this power to em.

351986 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #110 of 2382 🔗

40 Proof KoolAid. Goes down easily, packa a punch. Incapacitates feeble brain cells.

351850 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #111 of 2382 🔗


350722 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 24, #112 of 2382 🔗

“Doesn’t stupid Whitty realise people go crazy with no social contact at all? “

Of course he does. It will part of the plan.

350725 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 38, #113 of 2382 🔗

I don’t think Whitty is very qualified to talk about social contact. He doesn’t look as though he’s ever entertained the idea.

350729 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 28, #114 of 2382 🔗

I wouldn’t take Whitty seriously and I read somewhere that the vast majority in the scientific community don’t really rate him either.

He seems to have a very “autistic” (sorry for the lack of a better term) view of people and fails to account that humans are social creatures. Much like the vast majority of the animal kingdom.

This is Psychology 101 and Basic Zoology that even science morons like myself know. How he could not know this is baffling.

350740 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #115 of 2382 🔗

I have a contact with someone in the profession who knows Whitty. He has told me his view ……………

350754 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basileus, 9, #116 of 2382 🔗

Let me guess, it wasn’t very complimentary…….

351865 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #117 of 2382 🔗

Well …..

352093 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #118 of 2382 🔗

I think it was Yeadon that said doctors that are good go into practice or become surgeons. Crap doctors go work for the government. Its his season in the sun. Look at me! You do realise when the shit hits the fan the politicians will dump you and wipe their hands of knowledge of any blame in this. Hope you are keeping copies of all these meetings son!

351830 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #119 of 2382 🔗

Twit Whitty.

352101 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #120 of 2382 🔗

I think its simply so people Don’t exchange views and have that “so what do you think of this lockdown” conversation?

350638 J Cook, replying to J Cook, 19, #121 of 2382 🔗

From time to time I like to look up official NHS England mortality data to offer some perspective to balance the “case numbers” we see on the news. This is data of deaths in hospitals in England, so it does not include nursing home deaths or deaths at home (but since covid deaths are due to slowly progressing shortness of breath, then I do not expect many young people died at home from covid, it would be in hospital).

Since the start of the pandemic, until 31st Dec 2020, out of a population of 56 million people, there has been only –
394 deaths of people under 60 without pre-existing conditions
3338 deaths of people under 60 with pre-existing conditions
So that’s a TOTAL of 3732 deaths of all people under 60 (both with and without pre-existing conditions)
You don’t hear those kind of statistics on the news!

350641 ▶▶ J Cook, replying to J Cook, 10, #122 of 2382 🔗

To access the data – the link will take you to the NHS England website and then click on the most recent “Covid 19 total announced deaths” – its a downloadable file – once downloaded click on “Tab 3 Deaths by condition” and it shows deaths broken down by different age groups.

350645 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to J Cook, 19, #123 of 2382 🔗

At what point do we recognise covid is seasonal & stop adding all its victims up as a grand total.

Either Aprils stats were 2019/20 season or as we are now in 2021 so its a new years total.

350650 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #124 of 2382 🔗

But then they wouldn’t look so scary.

350676 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #125 of 2382 🔗

They know perfectly well that the grand total reflects two seasons that occured in one calendar year.

351928 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #126 of 2382 🔗

That’s why they kept stringing out their narrative. Result? Long Covid.

350651 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to J Cook, 14, #127 of 2382 🔗

You may not hear that on the news but most people do know about it.
They still comply not because they are scared of the Covid but either because they are scared of the consequences of not complying or still think that more they do comply the sooner they will be allowed back to normal.

350752 ▶▶ Will, replying to J Cook, 4, #128 of 2382 🔗

Thank you. Posts like this are so helpful. Saved for a later day.

350663 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 15, #130 of 2382 🔗

That’s good, but what about the baying maskoid mib?
We’ll have to remember that though they look vicious, they are cowards by definition.
Also that any ban on people by reason of disability is illegal. I suppose, if somebody comes in in a wheelchair, the door goons will turf him/her out of it on to the floor, on the assumption he/she is faking?

350679 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 13, #131 of 2382 🔗

I have yet to be challenged by any supermarket shop worker or security although I have heard mutterings from jealous fellow shoppers.

350723 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to karenovirus, 14, #132 of 2382 🔗

The same, and I haven’t heard muttering either (the only negative experience was one chap who literally did an about turn when he saw my bare-faced visage coming towards him down the aisle). Perhaps I’ve just been fortunate. I make a point of smiling a lot and allowing people to pass before walking in front of them.

350735 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 10, #133 of 2382 🔗

They would have been shitting on themselves had they refused entry to a person in a wheelchair and said person takes them to court for discrimination. This shouldn’t be any different. It’s discrimination pure and simple.

351912 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #134 of 2382 🔗
352413 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Annie, 2, #135 of 2382 🔗

I just ignore the maskoids, or growl/laugh at them depending on my mood. If one of them calls me a covidiot I ask them how they are enjoying their mouldy unhealthy rag?

350643 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #136 of 2382 🔗

‘…the question: Have we missed something that could explain why some people fall very ill and even die, yet others don’t even know they’ve got it?’ ( Dr Irina Metzler FRHistS)

Answer: Yes, the government has, but LS hasn’t

It’s another (now endemic) common cold coronavirus. A distinguished Coronavirus expert in China at the time of the outbreak told us that it was like a severe cold on 06 February.

And we did 5 minutes of online research for ourselves:

‘Unexpectedly Higher Morbidity and Mortality of Hospitalized Elderly Patients Associated with Rhinovirus Compared with Influenza Virus Respiratory Tract Infection’

‘More than just a common cold: Endemic coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, NL63, and 229E associated with severe acute respiratory infection and fatality cases among healthy adults

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26362#:~:text=Highlights,and%20death%20in%20healthy%20adults .

Plus T Cell immunity

Plus BCG vaccination immunity

350664 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #137 of 2382 🔗

I think the other element is ACE2 receptors. The more you have, the more like you are to experience severe symptoms as I understand it. Hence children with few will catch it and have no symptoms, and develop immunity.

Older people are more likely express high levels, and thus risk the virus being able to enter cells more readily and infection having a greater effect. Some people will express it more highly for genetic reasons, and I am sure there must be some lifestyle factors. So for some, once its overcome the immune system, it can really gain traction

That is my thinking anyway.

350681 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to sophie123, 7, #138 of 2382 🔗

Thanks. Very interesting. ACE2 receptors are key for at least one other endemic common cold coronavirus (as well as SARS):

The cellular receptors mediating binding and entry have been identified for some coronaviruses associated with human disease. HCoV-229E uses CD13 as a receptor. The cellular receptors for HCoV-OC43 and HKU1 are currently unknown. Recently, angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) was identified as a receptor for both SARS-CoV and NL63′


350696 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to sophie123, 24, #139 of 2382 🔗

ACE2 receptors appear on the cell membrane in response to insulin resistance. Insulin resistance is caused by high levels of blood sugar and is at the root of chronic lifestyle diseases. High levels of blood sugar are promoted by hyper processed foods.

(I’m a bit of a broken record about hyper processed foods!)

Eat real food. Get some sunshine. Save lives.

350865 ▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Puddleglum, 5, #140 of 2382 🔗

Could this explain why Japan has far lower case and death numbers than Western countries?

351167 ▶▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to GCarty80, 5, #141 of 2382 🔗

Japan has something called a metabo law (not related to the Kung Flu). Basically employers are responsible for making sure that employees who have poor metabolic health are persuaded to lose the weight and get active.

I made a post on it last year on my blog. Thought little more about it but last Tuesday 100’s of visitors to the website to read that post. Normally I have a small handful of visitors daily. The visitors were from all over the world – not just Japan. I have no idea what that was about!

351970 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Puddleglum, 1, #142 of 2382 🔗

Obese people tend to be insulin resistant.

350691 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #143 of 2382 🔗

It took the Government about three months to announce that they were going to sponsor an academic inquiry into the wide variation in peoples level of illnes.

350747 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #144 of 2382 🔗

This is v interesting Tim thanks. I think a big part of the problem is that people think that there’s just cold virus (not v serious and you can avoid it by not getting cold), flu (only kills birds or people in Asia) and now covid (kills everyone).
People need educating that humans are affected by lots of different respiratory viruses (that the NHS would unlikely have ever tested you for unless perhaps you were hospitalised for pneumonia?) And that they are already often the “cause” of death for many elderly and vulnerable people.

352324 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #145 of 2382 🔗

Completely agree. If more people had a better diet, more exercise in the fresh air and took fewer pills generally, they would be less inclined, less likely, to burden the NHS in the first place.

Personal health etc (PSHE) is, apparently, a non statutory subject.

That cannot be right if the taxpayer then has to foot eyewatering tax bills to prop up an incompetently managed, inappropriately funded, health care system based on minimal learning, information, regarding personal health.

The lack of knowledge, interest in acquiring knowledge, is a huge indictment of this country’s state education system.

352129 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Tim Bidie, #146 of 2382 🔗

I won’t pretend I understand a lot of what you said and I apologise if this is what you are saying. I know Ivor Cummings has looked at Japan and Europe death rates and found the levels of vitamin D in old folk were shockingly low in Europe.

352286 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #147 of 2382 🔗

Vitamin D does seem to be key, doesn’t it; eating better, fresh air, and slimmer.

350646 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 33, #148 of 2382 🔗

The Left Lockdown Sceptics referred to in the Round Up section is a welcome addition to the voices of dissent. Its creation is another sign that we (those of us who have been opposed to the lockdowns from the outset) are making progress. It is another sign that the lockdown propaganda is nothing like as effective as its carriers would wish. The website’s opening article provides an informed critique, which is well worth reading. It covers the history of the pandemic response in this country in analytical manner, focusing on how disproportionate, unscientific and harmful the response to the virus has been. It is a website that should be encouraged.

350669 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #149 of 2382 🔗

Have you got the link?

352741 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #151 of 2382 🔗

A new expression: Covid fascism. That about sums it up

350733 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #152 of 2382 🔗

“ Therefore, our main priority at this time is to popularise and extend our analysis among socialists and the wider public, and to convince people that lockdown is wrong and that opposition to this sociopathic policy is the correct course of action.”
Hear hear. It’s very well reasoned and the terms like “sociopathic” and “covid fascism” set the right tone I think. If this circulates in left circles we could see traction. I would suggest a comments section ASAP to start the conversation. Welcome.

350963 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #153 of 2382 🔗

Have not read it all yet, but seems pretty impressive. And it is very important to have people who identify as leftist speaking out. (So far, pretty much only OffG and a few individuals.)

Very very welcome indeed.

350647 danny, replying to danny, 37, #154 of 2382 🔗

3 metre rule and no talking in the street?
Yep. The supply teachers “running” this show are getting angrier and angrier each day and the more bizarre the law the more they lose the public.
Keep it coming. Within a few days Whitty will just appear on TV screaming and blowing a whistle, to an indifferent national shrug.

350649 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to danny, 22, #155 of 2382 🔗

How are they going to enforce social distancing, tazer anyone less than 3m apart? its fffing stupid, if people aren’t respecting 2m what makes these desperate pseudoscientists think people will respect 3.

350654 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Anti_socialist, 34, #156 of 2382 🔗

In the voice of John Cleese….

“Stop challenging me! I mean it. Fine. That’s it. 10 metre rule. No. 1 mile rule. Yes you. Standing there outside tesco. Turn around and go back 1 mile. Stop walking when you Herat me blow the whistle. What? No I don’t care if you’re on crutches, you can’t sit down to rest on that bench on the way. Selfish bastard. Move. That’s it. I warned you. Go home. You can try again to buy food next week. Starving? Well you should have thought of that before you chose to be class clown and challenge me shouldn’t you.”

350657 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to danny, 6, #157 of 2382 🔗

Love it

351932 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to danny, #158 of 2382 🔗

Sgt Major, barking out orders.

350653 ▶▶ Stevey, replying to danny, 14, #159 of 2382 🔗

This one is particularly bizarre as most people are still loosely following the 2m rule in shops from what I’ve seen. Not so much outside though.

350665 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Stevey, 4, #160 of 2382 🔗

In my part of the woods, I would say it’s the exact opposite.

350741 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stevey, 16, #161 of 2382 🔗

If you watched streamed concerts here and abroad, you’ll see the difference.

UK orchestras – slavishly follow the 2m rule hence less instruments and less musicians

(Based from what I’ve watched) German and Italian orchestras – 1m rule, some orchestras not even social distancing and that’s why they still have late 19th and 20th century composers in their repertoire.

350743 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bart Simpson, 28, #162 of 2382 🔗

This was the problem with the EU. The “freedom-loving” British couldn’t stand all the stifling rules and regulations. The “oppressed” of the other 27 nations were like “what rules and regulations? Oh, those – nobody takes any notice of those. There are more important things in life.”

350760 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #163 of 2382 🔗

Of course Germans and Italians have had a much more recent history with totalitarianism and hence why have been much more inclined to fight back. That said, with Germany its actually more those in the old east, its not for nothing that most of the anti-lockdown protests have been in Berlin, Leipzig and Dresden – all in the old DDR.

351178 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #164 of 2382 🔗

Bart, you are right there is certainly more awareness in the old DDR, though whether overall there is much more fightback in Germany than UK I am not sure.

Several officials in Berlin city government are former pre-1989 DDR officials, and police in the city are very bad. Following anti-lockdown (Querdenker) protest in Berlin police blamed violence on Querdenkers. MSM dutifully reported. Then, after questions posed by independent member of city council, police had to admit that police were actually injured in clashes with Antifa counter-protest (‘Vaccination Is Love’). The police must have well known this all along, as must the MSM, who of course did make any effort to correct their initial reports.

The whole level of media manipulation is quite extraordinary. German MSM reporting was even ‘managed’ to ensure the public were not informed about how much corona financial aid was going to large corporations. It’s that bad, I’m afraid.


351443 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #165 of 2382 🔗

Well said. Unfortunately a lot of things don’t get reported and I won’t be surprised if the police and MSM there are also using the same tricks applied here.

351067 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #167 of 2382 🔗

Spot on, as usual.

I was pretty ambivalent about Brexit, but one thing I thought: once out, the British would then no longer be able to blame the EU for all the ‘rules and regs’, because it was clear to me that the Brits are much more obsessed with health and safetyism than rest of Europe. And hopefully, now Brits will have to face up to this.

Interesting take on Brexit here. (If you had told me a year ago, I would flagging articles from ConWoman — which I had never heard of, of course — I would have given you a very funny look.)


351261 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 8, #168 of 2382 🔗

ConWoman has only recently come to my attention too. And it seems to be getting really quite seriously angry. (Only dogs can now hear Laura Perrins on Twitter , for example.) If this is a measure of how “conservative women” around the country are feeling, the conservative men need to be very afraid.

351466 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #169 of 2382 🔗

Laura Perrins is excellent, in my opinion. She is a barrister and knows her shit. No time for BS with her. You can see her in action in the Delingpod, where she has a regular ‘chinwag’ with James Delingpole (easy to find online). It’s part of my therapy in these dystopian times. Yes, the Conservative Woman website is good, too.

351995 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #170 of 2382 🔗

Laura Perrins vs Kay Burley (sp?).

350655 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to danny, 24, #171 of 2382 🔗

That’s the consequence of trying to maintain the falsehood of a deadly pandemic.They have shut pretty much everything so how can they explain the still rising numbers.
Either the numbers are false or your measures are not working.
Cue the 2 pronged attack on the public.Police filmed smashing down doors and fining people for the heinous crime of socialising and loads of ICU footage showing nurses who are so busy but have always got time to talk to the media.

350698 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #172 of 2382 🔗

I left home at 06.50 this morning, at that time there are usually no vacant parking places. Today there were six or seven within a short distance of my quit quiet residential street.
Surely people are not staying away overnight ! ?
bozo & chums will be miffed.

350666 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to danny, 4, #173 of 2382 🔗

Remainer’s revenge, they still cannot stomach the 2016 defeat.

350799 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to danny, 8, #174 of 2382 🔗

Surely extending the social distance rule to 3m, is only so that they can call more outdoor spaces “busy” if the masks outdoor rule gets brought in.

351230 ▶▶ ituex, replying to danny, 5, #175 of 2382 🔗

Our road isn’t 3m wide.

351344 ▶▶ stevie, replying to danny, 2, #176 of 2382 🔗

Ah so we can have longer queues outside supermarkets and fewer people inside.

351832 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to stevie, 1, #177 of 2382 🔗

Only until Grandad catches cold queuing outside in the rain

352004 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nessimmersion, #178 of 2382 🔗

He’ll just be added to the cull.

353005 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Nessimmersion, #179 of 2382 🔗

They’re only worried about granny. Grandpa is irrelevant 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄

352421 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to danny, 3, #180 of 2382 🔗

The end is clearly not too far away when they start going bonkers like this. They know the game is nearly up and many are totally in the shit.

350656 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #181 of 2382 🔗

the gorilla thing triggers another of my fears of things to come: next they’ll be coming for our pets, a cull of the nation’s cats and dogs

350684 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JaneHarry, 10, #182 of 2382 🔗

Something like a quarter of the population have dogs as members of their households/families; and a similar proportion of the population have cats as members of their households/families. Whilst I am well aware of how easily the government has been able to impose a fascist dictatorship, I nonetheless do not see the people of this country willingly allowing their loved ones to be sacrificed to the madness. Any such move by the government would inevitably trigger serious resistance, and the last thing the government needs is anything that makes compliance less likely. However, mass killing of this kind is not unprecedented. During the Great Plague (1665) dogs and cats were slaughtered in the hundreds of thousands on the ground that they were a vector for the disease.

350687 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #183 of 2382 🔗

Re. your last sentence, no doubt people these days consider themselves far more sophisticated and rational than their forebears from that time. But what is being done to us now is no more rational than what was done then.

350688 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #184 of 2382 🔗

Its a fact my wife loves the dog more than me & anyone who tried to harm him would meet their maker, i’m fine with it he is lovable.

350690 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #185 of 2382 🔗

and it made the plague worse because only the cats and dogs were keeping down the rats!

350693 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 3, #186 of 2382 🔗

The Great Plague had nothing to do with rats – it was not an outbreak of bubonic plague.

350730 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #187 of 2382 🔗

my info is out of date 🙂

350746 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 3, #188 of 2382 🔗

The bubonic plague nonsense was always obvious nonsense. It was invented at the turn of the nineteenth/twentieth century and repeated as fact for a century – a hundred years of the elite pushing of falsehood takes a long time and a lot of effort to undo.

352003 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #189 of 2382 🔗

Panspermia? Comet shower? Dirty Asteroid? Aliens?

350867 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #190 of 2382 🔗

What was it then?

350968 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to GCarty80, #191 of 2382 🔗

I do not know. No one knows. From reading the contemporary accounts, it was probably a viral disease, but there is no longer any physical evidence to examine, as it disappeared in the seventeenth century.

351426 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, #192 of 2382 🔗

It hasn’t disappeared in Madagascar

352009 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #193 of 2382 🔗

Parts of India, according to some sources.

352326 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, #194 of 2382 🔗

What hasn’t disappeared in Madagascar?

352952 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, #195 of 2382 🔗

Bubonic plague

350694 ▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #196 of 2382 🔗

Most happily sacrificed their friends to suicide….sorry to say I hate this country now. Born and bred British but totally beaten by the supine idiotic nation we’ve become.

350715 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 14, #197 of 2382 🔗

I certainly think some people will – sacrifice their “friends” to suicide. Couples and families probably don’t notice – as it’s off their radar. But a lot of us single people will know that we come last/if anywhere at all on the radar of other people (even other single people!). I know I thought “Well – even if They cancel all my social life events – I’ll still have people round to visit in my home/go to their home. They can’t cancel that – we’ll just have to be a bit careful about Covid-snoops” – but have realised that even much of that isn’t happening – because we’re put last and because many other single people are Covid-scared. It was all I could do to persuade a nearby single Covid-scared friend not to let me down re coming round for a Boxing Day meal (ie this is Wales here) – when she rang to cancel on Christmas Eve. Otherwise – I’d have had nothing at all of any description re Christmas socialising – after organised social events being cancelled and married friends putting us singles last.

350845 ▶▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to ElizaP, 7, #198 of 2382 🔗

I think you’re right about “I certainly think some people will – sacrifice their “friends” to suicide. Couples and families probably don’t notice – as it’s off their radar.”

I think your friends have to be full on skeptics as I am married and have single friends and married friends. The married friends are skeptical to a degree but not enough to ‘risk’ visiting us or inviting us or me to their homes, they stick to ‘breaking the law/rules’ with their own family.

Me being a full on skeptic have the single friends round for coffee and the married ones won’t come.

I really despair at the lack of empathy most people have now. The same people that share mental health day etc on social media are the same people who are now condemning the people that are struggling to deal with the lockdown, their reply when it is mentioned is we’re all in the same boat, eh no we’re not.

351192 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Just about sane, 4, #199 of 2382 🔗

I share your despair at the lack of empathy from the smugly married And the supreme irony of the lipservice they pay to mental health.

352024 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Melangell, 1, #200 of 2382 🔗

Lack of empathy. I experienced that yesterday with a bug exterminator and two Montreal police officers. I might file a complaint, although it probably won’t do any good.

351184 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to ElizaP, 6, #201 of 2382 🔗

As a single person (widowed) living in a fairly isolated valley in Wales, this has been my experience too. When my husband died, four years ago, I dragged myself up from the pit of grief and loneliness by creating a life filled with interesting weekly community events, which for me involved dancing and meditation as well as walks with friends who are all married around here. (I work from home and always have done which is isolating in itself.) The Christmas holidays loomed like a dark abyss until one friend invited me over for “Christmas breakfast” because a mutual friend had urged her to after I had mentioned how I was feeling. No fun to be invited because someone felt sorry for you though! One couple I will never speak to again after their callously cheerful text telling me to drop my Christmas card outside the gate. Hopefully the Hindus are right about karma …

351476 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Melangell, 9, #202 of 2382 🔗

hello, Eliza and Melangell

Me too. I live alone and depend, enthusiastically, on the rich resources that are outside my own home: friends, my workplace, cafes, concerts, museums, public transport, shops, galleries, city space, my community choir, etc etc etc… Without these things, my life is desperately miserable and impoverished.
My friends who are married have no conception of the meaning of the prohibition of these activities and places for me.

351984 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Alethea, 2, #203 of 2382 🔗

I’m married and believe me, Mr Bart and I also rely on the things you mentioned above as part of cultivating common interests and keeping our marriage strong. We’ve had rough patches over the past few months and have been trying to find ways to keep doing what we’ve done. I can only assume that lockdownistas who are married aren’t having any marital problems and mental health issues.

352034 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #204 of 2382 🔗

The opposite. Those of us singles who are ok with our own company are faring much better than some couples I know who are suffering from mockdown claustrophobia.

352013 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #205 of 2382 🔗

No. You are the Best of British. Hang on, Sloopy.

352941 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #206 of 2382 🔗

I feel the same way.

350711 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #207 of 2382 🔗

There was certainly a thing up on an anti-Lockdown Facebook page where someone was saying how their pet-owning neighbour had come to them wanting them to take on their pet – and the reason being that the vet had (quite rightly) declined to kill it when they’d taken it in to be put down in case they contracted Covid from it!! Cue, obviously, for lots of people offering to take on the care of the poor innocent pet concerned.

350709 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #208 of 2382 🔗

Chimpanzee vaccine for them ?

350658 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #209 of 2382 🔗

ZiL lanes would save a great deal of embarrassment for our state apparatchiks when exercising with security details.


350682 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #210 of 2382 🔗

That actually looks very egalitarian. The oligarchs zooming along the unguarded middle lane appear to stand roughly a 75% chance of instant death.

351136 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #211 of 2382 🔗

Who can forget the ZiL lanes at London Olympics where we worshipped NHS and booed evil stove pipe hatted ecocider engineers.

350660 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 33, #212 of 2382 🔗

Well the madness and lunacy gets even crazier. A neighbour turned up yesterday for a (mistaken) hospital appointment at a large Plymouth hospital (he does have a serious medical condition) and was amazed to find he was the only one there, As he was there they did carry out some checks.

His comment to me that evening was that the place was spotless, I nearly choked and said it should be all the time not just in a pandemic, silence ensued.

So the lies continue? Is the NHS overwhelmed or just certain parts of it?

350667 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to cloud6, 7, #213 of 2382 🔗

There are only five* nurses left in the country who are not self-isolating after false positive test results.

*Note to lurking anti-lockdown sceptics – this is hyperbole for rhetorical purposes, not disinformation. Now get back under your stones.

350702 ▶▶ TJN, replying to cloud6, 10, #214 of 2382 🔗

Are you down in this part of Devon too? I was in Plymouth city centre yesterday and it was dead – a police car driving around the pedestrian bits. Hard to see those businesses sustaining this.

No police out and about – shame, as after I’d done my mask-free shopping I was all up for having a ‘word’ with them, and letting them know what I think of the bollox laws.

350721 ▶▶ Annie, replying to cloud6, 17, #215 of 2382 🔗

Reminds me of that Yes Minister episode. The hospital in question had won awards for its impeccable hygiene. The hospital had no patients.

350742 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 3, #216 of 2382 🔗

The hospital had one: one of the (many) administrators had hurt their ankle.

350765 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to cloud6, 3, #217 of 2382 🔗

That’s why they are going to ship in patients from the East of England, expect a spike in deaths for the S/W but it won’t mostly be locals.

351485 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to karenovirus, 1, #218 of 2382 🔗

Hi, this is the first I have herd of this plan, do you have any further details/info?

352965 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, #219 of 2382 🔗

I was told by someone on the NHS frontline and another LS reader yesterday confirmed it was already happening at his local hospital, Somerset I think.

350668 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 16, #220 of 2382 🔗


from the round up is an excellent summary of where we are and what has gone wrong from a left-wing perspective

excellent for sending to friends who may be more open to persuasion from that quarter

350767 ▶▶ SallyM, replying to steve_w, 5, #221 of 2382 🔗

Although how anyone can remain committed to socialism after this hideous experience of collectivist overreach is completely beyond me.

350897 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to SallyM, 6, #222 of 2382 🔗

I’d call it Fascism actually.

351299 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to SallyM, 1, #223 of 2382 🔗

There are a lot of things beyond me in this madness. Isn´t this show run by a supposedly liberal Government?

351286 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to steve_w, #224 of 2382 🔗

Already done that. Besides, it is a quite good analysis.

350671 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 8, #225 of 2382 🔗

If you think Cuomo is on your side, I have a bridge you might be interested in.

I do think Liberals here are positioning themselves to declare victory for Biden, though. In my state, however, the (Democrat) governor just established new “phases” with impossible benchmarks, and will likely never voluntarily give back any of the freedoms he has eliminated. Maybe periodically lent back, but it is now established that he can and will shut everything down at random.

350686 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RyanM, 4, #226 of 2382 🔗

Surely not even a Democrat would introduce draconian lockdowns randomly?

351177 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #227 of 2382 🔗

Especially a Democratic Governor.
Just watch NY and California; Cuomo and Newsome.
Though not randomly, but in a calculated way.

351125 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to RyanM, 2, #228 of 2382 🔗

Cuomo has been shown the empty cash box, hence the change of heart.

351245 ▶▶ ituex, replying to RyanM, #229 of 2382 🔗

Hoping you aren’t in Va, daughter going back to university (from UK) tomorrow!

350673 steve_w, 13, #230 of 2382 🔗

we have been barraged with doom and gloom numbers (manipulated at worst, not telling the full story at best) for a year

well from about now, those numbers are going to start going down. people will lose interest in them.

we should make sure we barrage people with numbers of deaths and sufferings from the lockdown – we have many years ahead of this

350677 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 28, #231 of 2382 🔗

On a lighter note, my sister-in-law is a bit of a drama queen. She had covid back in the Spring – terrible it was, 9 days in bed. Well apparently she’s gone and got it again – just as bad.

I suggested to my mother that maybe she inform us when she hasn’t got covid just for the sake of efficiency 😉

350717 ▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 12, #232 of 2382 🔗

Asymptomatic death is it this time?

350757 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steve_w, 2, #233 of 2382 🔗

Must have got the ‘wild’ original and now mutant.1, still mutant.2 to go.

350678 eptwll, replying to eptwll, 15, #234 of 2382 🔗

Representative Pramila Jayapal just a little over an hour ago tweeted that she tested positive, and without any scientific evidence places the blame squarely on being sequestered with Republican colleagues who refused masks during the Capitol imbroglio. This is ridiculous on so many counts. Does she have genetic sequencing to prove that her positive test result is genetically aligned with any positive cases in said Republican colleagues? Have any of said colleagues tested positive? Does she even have any symptoms? What is the CT value of the test she received? Does she have gene sequencing evidence that her positive test did not result from the coffee-shop, newsstand, grocery store she frequented in the last week? Also, interesting to note that she got her positive test result between midnight and 1am – that is some service! And yes, I know that she is a rep for Washington state, but she references following capitol physician’s advice to self-isolate, so I’m assuming she is still in DC. The lack of critical thought in her denunciation is stunning.

350700 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to eptwll, 21, #235 of 2382 🔗

It would make an interesting psychological study as to why people have such a touching and fervent belief in face masks. Anyone who has worked on dusts in industry will know how difficult it is to prevent dust and how what you really need to do is put the dust control on the system and not on the person.
If a dust mask is not really the answer to industrial dust why is a scrotty piece of cloth the answer to a virus? In fact as has been found in industry a dust mask can give a false sense of security as people think they are safe when they are not. In the UK we have had face-masks in shops since July 2020, most people wear one, has it made any difference? no it has not.

350714 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #236 of 2382 🔗

It is far easier to persuade someone to believe in pseudoscientific nonsense than to get them to accept actual scientific knowledge.

350866 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #237 of 2382 🔗

Both my son and husband use the work masks as examples. My sons qoute being the simplest.
” Builders and welders pay hundreds of pounds for the correct mask for the job, so who in their right mind would believe that a pack of 5 paper masks bought at asda for a fiver are going to stop a fkn virus you can’t see”

He drives a bin lorry and is working with more bacteria and germs you could shake a stick at. The most disgusting thing about it, is some people put their USED paper masks in the RECYCLING bin and then get abusive at the binmen for refusing to lift it.

350926 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Just about sane, 3, #238 of 2382 🔗

Our bin men have just come down the road – they were supposed to collect last Friday but couldn’t because some idiot had parked on the pavement blocking the road. Of the four handling the bins only one of them had a mask, half hearted fitted just about over his nose. Mind you, with the stink from their trucks I can fully see why they need to wear them.

352057 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Just about sane, 1, #239 of 2382 🔗

That is gross!

350731 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to eptwll, 18, #240 of 2382 🔗

This goes back to the bizarre claim that masks work 1 way. When a non mask wearer gets the virus it is claimed he caught it because he didn’t wear a mask. When an ardent mask wearer is infected she claims her mask was never supposed to protect her! Do these people really believe their own words?

350685 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 44, #241 of 2382 🔗

A Policeman stopped me in the street, to ask why I wasn’t wearing a mask.
“Sorry Officer” , I replied. “I’m not allowed to engage in conversation, and neither are you, in case we pass the virus.”
That didn’t happen, but it might, and I’m ready.

350697 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to PatrickF, 25, #242 of 2382 🔗

Chris Whitty said that any unnecessary social interaction would cause a chain of transmission that would lead to a vulnerable person. He said we should all avoid all unnecessary social contacts. I was waiting for him to tell the police to stay at home, save lives: but he didn’t.

350703 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 27, #243 of 2382 🔗

Its true and its been true for ever and it will be true in future. We have all, in the past, been links in chains of transmission that kill old people. But what’s the alternative? Its just life.

The only way to avoid it is to commit suicide as soon as you get a sniffle and have arrangements in place for your corpse to be burned by people in hazmat suits.

350713 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 17, #244 of 2382 🔗

Whitty explicitly said “unnecessary” – the implication being that necessary social contacts do not cause chains of transmission.

350719 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #245 of 2382 🔗

true. I suppose Whitty might have a different definition of necessary and unnecessary to me. Necessary to keep my basic life functions going? Necessary to live a rewarding life?

350706 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Hayes, 29, #246 of 2382 🔗

When you look at Chris Witty, there is something disturbing about him and you do wonder what is his idea of unnecessary social contact. It is almost as if he finds people disturbing!
But on a wider issue why are we getting all this guff from unelected health tyrants, they should have been put back in their box by the politicians months ago. But our politicians could not run an inebriated celebration in a place of alcohol production and so the tail (health tyrants) are very much wagging the dog.

350957 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #247 of 2382 🔗

But our politicians could not run an inebriated celebration in a place of alcohol production

A wonderful reformulation!

352052 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #248 of 2382 🔗

Chris Whitty looks like a psycho, those eyes just seem evil.

352064 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 4, #249 of 2382 🔗

I think he tends to look very uncomfortable delivering what he knows is utter bollox. Not that I have any sympathy for his plight.

352445 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #250 of 2382 🔗

They all know its bollocks. I saw through it from day one

350884 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #251 of 2382 🔗

This shows how incompetent he is or an accomplished liar. Is he trying to say the plague is out there?

351343 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #252 of 2382 🔗

Should the Police work from home then?

352435 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #253 of 2382 🔗

Chris Whitty has never had any social interaction to know what it is.

350732 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to PatrickF, 16, #254 of 2382 🔗

This is what i’ve been wondering, does the right to remain silent still remain?

As far as i’m aware corona/health legislation doesn’t cancel out existing legal rights.

According to Chris Daw QC (above) police have no power to ask why you’re out, so you don’t have to engage with them.

Don’t ever talk or engage with police, say nothing, other than am i under arrest? am i being detained? if the answers no walk away. if they ask your details ask if you’re obliged to give them & under what grounds. Don’t engage, Walk away!

350772 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #255 of 2382 🔗

If the police believe you have committed an offence under the coronavirus regs you are obliged to stop and give them your name and address and take the fixed Penalty Notice if they issue one. You can be arrested for refusing to give your details if a police officer is trying to issue you with a Fixed Penalty Notice under the coronavirus regs.

If you feel you have a reasonable explanation i guess you would want to give that in the hope that would be the end of the matter.

I feel this fixed Penalty Notice business has been used way beyond anything that was envisaged when the system started for the purpose of motoring offences. We now have the Police using fixed penalty notices a bit like the money they try and extort from you when you are stopped at a Nigerian road block. I have twice written to the Attorney General about this but have received no reply, there needs to be a full Parliamentary review and discussion on the use of fixed Penalty Notices.

On a practical note; a Fixed Penalty Notice is not a fine, it is an offer to do a deal, it should have on it the address and procedure to take if you wish to reject the Fixed Penalty Notice and opt to send your ‘offence’ details to the CPS for consideration of court proceedings.

350828 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #256 of 2382 🔗

i guess you would want to give that in the hope that would be the end of the matter.

Nooooooooooo, Police only ever ask questions to determine if you are guilty! Say nothing. if they ask for your details ask if you are obligated to & under which law to give them. Its not about winding them up or avoidance its a matter of law! I’m not interested what police think or proving my innocence, its for them to prove guilt under the powers they’ve been given under the law, volunteer nothing.

351024 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #257 of 2382 🔗

In South Africa the police just lament the shortage of beer for the party they are having after work. Quite endearing really.

350695 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 42, #258 of 2382 🔗

The UK’s most senior police officer says it is “preposterous” that anyone could be unaware of the need to follow the coronavirus lockdown rules.”

I’m unaware of the need for it. I know the government wants me to do it but it is a) morally wrong b) counterproductive

350699 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 23, #259 of 2382 🔗

oops – just found out Cressida Dick has a BA in Agriculture & Forest Sciences.

I defer to her authority on tackling a ‘pandemic’

350716 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to steve_w, 24, #260 of 2382 🔗

In which case she should know that Extrinsic allergic alveolitis (farmers lung) is very hard to control with a face mask and what you need to do is put dust controls on the combine and the handling and grading machinery.
She should know that face masks give a false sense of security and should be directing her officers to tell the public to remove them for the sake of their health.

P.S. Extrinsic allergic alveolitis is one of the reasons listed on my face-mask exemption slip which I will present if ever challenged, and I will decline to explain it in layman’s terms, if they ask for medical reasons then they should be capable of understanding a medical answer.

350761 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #261 of 2382 🔗

We all knew that Steve.

350780 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #262 of 2382 🔗

Face muzzles are a criminals paradise. In her crime ridden shithole she certainly shouldn’t have her officers sporting them. Like much of the Public Sector the CCP Virus is used as an excuse, or deflection for poor performance.

If she really went after proper criminals, rather than easy target innocents, then she would have the added bonus of real CCP Virus law ignorers. Too tough for most of the goons in the Met. So many selected these days not up to the job, don’t even look the part. Shorties and fatties, never used to get in the Police.

350925 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to steve_w, 5, #263 of 2382 🔗

So she is an expert on bullshit and planks.

350961 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to steve_w, 1, #264 of 2382 🔗

Cressida has a BA Hons in scissoring

351188 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to steve_w, 2, #265 of 2382 🔗

She can’t see the wood for the trees.

350710 TJN, replying to TJN, 9, #266 of 2382 🔗

Calling Richard O.

You made a perceptive comment yesterday evening about Hancock’s susceptibility to flattery, and I replied saying that Churchill in his book Great Contemporaries had made similar remarks about the German Kaiser.

Well I’ve dug it out – it’s the paragraph spanning pp. 23-4 here:


As I re-read it today, it strikes me how applicable this must be to the likes of Bill Gates and the rest of the bubble-living zoo.

350720 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TJN, 7, #267 of 2382 🔗

Kay Burley used to tongue his backside something rotten. It was blatant to everyone apart from Wanksock that she was playing at being the anti-Piers Morgan.

350718 optocarol, replying to optocarol, 46, #268 of 2382 🔗

“Every death, for whatever reason, is tragic and shocking.”

No, I don’t think so. My husband was diagnosed with dementia 10 years ago, he’s been in care for 5. He does not know me or his children and makes no sense when talking. Last year he broke his femur and is no longer mobile. He is in his 90th year. I will not find his death shocking or tragic.

350726 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to optocarol, 12, #269 of 2382 🔗

yes, deaths of old age can certainly not be described as either tragic or shocking.

Perhaps ‘beneficial and expected’

350734 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to optocarol, 12, #270 of 2382 🔗

My mum was starting to find living independently in her seaview apartment difficult when she went into the local community hospital and passed away at 84 years peacefully within a few days.
She would not have wanted to go into a care home and the whole family agreed it was for the best.

350738 ▶▶ Will, replying to optocarol, 26, #271 of 2382 🔗

As my 91 year old step father, a farmer, has always observed about someone being kept alive, after all their faculties have gone, “if I kept an animal like that I would be up in court”.

350797 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to optocarol, 11, #272 of 2382 🔗

Agreed -my mother died after nearly three years of dementia. In a moment of lucidity she said that she wished she had died before the onset.

350803 ▶▶ sunny66, replying to optocarol, 14, #273 of 2382 🔗

Similar situation to my mother, aged 94, who has recently passed away. Dementia for the last 5 years, recognised no family members, and during visits she spent the entire time crying. Not pleasant for any of us, and rather than saddened at her death at 94, I am glad she has finally departed.

350901 ▶▶ Felice, replying to optocarol, 13, #274 of 2382 🔗

Agreed. I was relieved by my mother’s death last July at the age of 96. She had been in a care home for only 4 weeks, absolutely hated it, and spent all her time ranting about why it was like being punished and in solitary confinement. She was in poor health but of sound mind. As I could see this fiasco lasting longer than she would, death sooner rather than later was the kindest thing. She died of a heart attack, brought about by the stress caused by lockdown.

350953 ▶▶ Will, replying to optocarol, 5, #275 of 2382 🔗

My mother has a phrase, “you never regret having a dog put down”. I expect, given the choice, with dearly loved relatives, whose spirits have long since departed this world, the same sentiment would apply.

351135 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to optocarol, 4, #276 of 2382 🔗

A friend of mines wife had dementia. He said it was like having the body but not having the funeral.

351152 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to optocarol, 8, #277 of 2382 🔗

A neighbours mother who’s in her 90s has dementia and hasn’t recognised her daughter for 3 years, has had several mini strokes, is doubly incontinent and is only capable of lying looking at the ceiling. She got C19 and recovered. Her daughter said she should of died. Her mother was a nurse and would hate what she has become.

351282 ▶▶ DomW, replying to optocarol, 7, #278 of 2382 🔗

My 96 year old nan, who had severe mobility issues, and who told me a couple of years back “don’t ever get old” died at the end of January last year. She had been in hospital a few times in the previous month (a day or two each time) and died, somewhat unexpectedly, during the night on her last stay, having been visited by many family members including myself that day. It was very sad for all concerned but the whole family agreed she died at the right time given what happened just a few weeks later.

351408 ▶▶ fiery, replying to optocarol, 7, #279 of 2382 🔗

My Mum aged 80 was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s 12 months ago and is already a caricature of her former self. I hope the decent into this dreadful disease won’t be long and drawn out but I fear it will due to this fervent desire to vaccinate everybody against anything that might otherwise give them a merciful release from chronic and debilitating conditions.

350728 Steve Martindale, 8, #280 of 2382 🔗

You may be interested to know that the Radio 4 programme More or Less is back for another series starting tomorrow;
Tim Harford is not a lockdown sceptic but I feel he is quite good at providing an objective look at the statistics.

350736 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 10, #281 of 2382 🔗

Time to change “good morning/afternoon/evening” to “fuck off ,” in the new normal.

350999 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PatrickF, 2, #282 of 2382 🔗

“Sorry I can’t hear you”? (Or silence and traditional palm behind the ear)

350739 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #283 of 2382 🔗

Ms Dick from the Ministry of Love is prepostered (no me neither) by people gambling in basements

I couldn’t agree more. Round here they are playing football matches in washing machines

Last week the 2021 Olympics were staged in a wheelie bin round the corner. Bet you missed that one (although it was broadcast live on BBC Alba)

Jumbo Jets are taking off and landing on the local golf course

On Tuesday last the local Amateur Dramatic Society recreated the chariot race scene from Ben Hur in the chimney flue of the local pub

I’m so outraged I can’t decided if I’m prepostered or postpostered

350781 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 2, #284 of 2382 🔗

Dear Cecil, are you quite sure you’ve checked all your facts?

350819 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cecil B, 3, #285 of 2382 🔗

Exactly the same round here, we even have snooker in a skip along the street.

350744 alw, replying to alw, 20, #286 of 2382 🔗

Boycott Morrison’s and Sainsbury’s.
Hancock and Morrisons seek to consign people unable to wear a face covering because of their disability to a life of invasion of privacy, harassment, justification, isolation, misery, and mental distress. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1348704939476983810 )

350991 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to alw, 3, #287 of 2382 🔗

Click and collect is the way. No need to go in or wear a mask. Cowardly I know but punching down on the minimum wage staff doesn’t feel that brave either.

350745 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 7, #288 of 2382 🔗



“Socialists against lockdown” made me laugh to tears.

This whole thing is socialism in practice ya eejits. It’s also the pathway to socialism’s natural terminus: communism.

If there are any socialists reading this I would rethink your stance as it is what you are seeing now, don’t like lockdown then stop being anti freedom socialists.

Socialism has never worked and the constant conversations about it are only delaying levelling up of our country (Scotland especially).

I recommend everyone read it if you want a laugh.

350811 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to TheBigman, 5, #289 of 2382 🔗

Socialism has never worked

I used to think that, but its doing pretty bloody well at the moment, all our institutions are infested with it.

351064 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to TheBigman, 6, #290 of 2382 🔗

“For the many, not the few”, that’s Socialism to me. You obviously think Socialism is something different.I mean, even John Bolton, in an interview with Varoufakis, recognises that China is no longer Communist. It is a Totalitarian state according to Bolton. I agree and am sure you do too. Remember John Lennon didn’t write ” a working class traitor is something to be”.

351475 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Bungle, #291 of 2382 🔗

It’s plan is very much communist. Even their ‘private’ compa ies must follow their every word. We’re following a very dangerous path.

351207 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to TheBigman, 4, #292 of 2382 🔗

If it gets left-leaning types on board with lockdown scepticism, then it’s welcome.

351210 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TheBigman, 4, #293 of 2382 🔗

Neo-Liberalism has shrouded itself in the cloak of Leftism.
But they are not in any way shape or form
it was a shrewd takeover though I’ll give them that

352801 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to TheBigman, 1, #294 of 2382 🔗

They are sincere and isolated traditional socialsts as I consider myself. Labour is a husk filled with identitarian neoliberals who find class politics passé. While scepticism is rarer on the Left it is there.

350749 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 32, #296 of 2382 🔗

Heartily sick of the asymptomatic transmission myth being banded about as if gospel. There are, as yet, no trustworthy studies to prove this happening and in the words of Mike Yeadon it is “implausible”.
How do we pass on respiratory viruses? By an aerosol expulsion of them from our respiratory tract by coughing or sneezing. Without symptoms we are not doing that.
“Case” numbers are highly inflated as are “deaths with”, as we all know. NHS is always too busy at this time of year. If we could stop health workers self isolating because they’ve been in the same room as someone with a positive PCR then we may get somewhere.
Off for my weekly walk with a friend and her dog at a moderately local (I have to drive there) beauty spot. My turn to bring the thermos. I will watch out for the rozzers and report back later.

350805 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to WasSteph, 3, #297 of 2382 🔗

What is the latest thinking on that. I found https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707 which at first sight suggests it is rampant . But the baseline assumptionsfor the model were that peak infectiousness occurred at the median of symptom onset and that 30% of individuals with infection never develop symptoms and are 75% as infectious as those who do develop symptoms.”. Maybe someone who is more qualified can review this but it seems to be that the conclusions do follow from that assumption but if the assumptions are incorrect then they are not valid.

350827 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to arfurmo, 7, #298 of 2382 🔗

Really just about to go out the door now but I would ask
1) how are they measuring infection – dodgy PCR which could tell that I owned a Labrador 3 years ago from a sample of the hearth rug we bought after we lost him?
2) how are the assessing “infectious”? Can they prove these individuals passed it on or is it just speculation and our friend modelling?

350984 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to WasSteph, 7, #299 of 2382 🔗

Classic CCP psyop, even they must have been surprised by how successful it’s been.

350750 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 21, #300 of 2382 🔗

Haven’t linked to the article as it is behind a paywall but the Irish Independent is reporting that people in Ireland who have had COVID19 may be asked to defer receiving the vaccine for 6 months – almost like having had the illness gives you immunity or something…

350945 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #301 of 2382 🔗

That is the first, half sensible, vaccine policy I have heard about.

350977 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #302 of 2382 🔗

Should see a big drop in reported IFR.

350751 Cecil B, 11, #303 of 2382 🔗

Are we in chains of transmission or just in chains?

350753 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 88, #304 of 2382 🔗

These hysterical lockdown fanatics that you see online, you know the ones with avatars of their own stupid muzzled faces? Well I’m not convinced in the slightest that these people are concerned with preserving any life, not even the vulnerable 0.01% who stand the greatest risk of being bumped off by Covid.

Whenever they attack sceptics, they are not doing so out of compassion for the comorbid elderly. They are doing so to vigorously defend their new comfortable, work-from-home lifestyles. They are doing so to defend the theatre of the “pandemic” – where they have installed themselves as actors in the greatest drama of their usually dull and unfulfilled lives. They are doing so to moralise about “our NHS,” and signal their virtue by wearing their masks, keeping their distance and following the rules.

These self-styled humanitarians genuinely believe that by offering their freedoms on a platter to the state, they are performing some kind of benevolent act for the good of society. The powerful dopamine hit this gives them sustains the Covidian cult. They are blind to the devastating socioeconomic costs caused by lockdowns because it simply doesn’t affect them, and as such it doesn’t take importance over the value they place on being a verified Good Citizen as defined by the state. These are the same people who would happily snitch on their neighbours to improve their social credit score, or would have merrily collaborated with the Gestapo or the Stasi.

So here we are, educations of millions of children destroyed, many shackled to abusive parents in squalid living conditions. The quality life years lost by rocketing suicides dwarfing those lost to a virus that mainly affects those in Death’s waiting room. Thousands of our elderly dying at home each month from treatable conditions (as long as it isn’t Covid, hey?). An economy in free-fall, with mass unemployment and destitution set to scar these lands for potentially decades to come. Our right to live as we choose stripped away by unelected, monomaniacal “experts” with vested interests.

All this pain and suffering just so a privileged group of people can feel warm and fuzzy because they’re doing “the right thing.” Sickening doesn’t quite cut it.

350755 ▶▶ alw, replying to Scotty87, 5, #305 of 2382 🔗

As the saying goes “ easier to do something than nothing.”

350759 ▶▶ saab93viggen, replying to Scotty87, 6, #306 of 2382 🔗

A perfect summary.

350762 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Scotty87, 13, #307 of 2382 🔗

Yes it is the sponging, middle class, work from home, paid for non-job type who the government has carefully targeted to keep on side.

351691 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to nottingham69, 2, #308 of 2382 🔗

There is another subset of zealotry that has yet to be identified and that is the “work from homers” that don`t actually do any work i.e. Dolies. They also shriek loudly on soshal meeja about stayin at home and nhs heroes. Their posts can usually be identified by the appalling spelling and grammar. They are similarly unaffected in that they rarely go to the pub (cans of stella are cheaper). they do not attend concerts, theatre, festivals or anything else culturally enriching. Many are no strangers to the biscuit tin but are, sadly, strangers to the library.

352111 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stevie119, 1, #309 of 2382 🔗

I thought they were the trolls from the 77th.

350776 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Scotty87, 22, #310 of 2382 🔗

Totalitarianism makes somebodies out of nobodies, and does its best to make nobodies out of somebodies.

350802 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Annie, 2, #311 of 2382 🔗

Sums it up perfectly Annie.

350807 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Annie, 13, #312 of 2382 🔗

This is important. We’ve said it before that they love the drama. They’ve maybe always wanted a real cause to show their friends they were full of virtue. Sure, they donate to charity and help out with the corporate whip round every Christmas. However, this is a global cause, their WWIII and they are on the front line now. The masks are excellent because they help to display their allegiance to this cause.

350777 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Scotty87, 17, #313 of 2382 🔗

That behaviour had already started long before the pandemic came along. It was fuelled by social media. It seemed relatively harmless, just annoying, but this has shown what can happen when it runs away and how the potential for debate, nuance, context, consideration, growth, etc. is not possible in 140 characters or less. It’s reduced to slander and soundbites. Orwell explained how the narrowing of language results in the narrowing of thought and Newspeak is here, in the form of hashtags.

350789 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Scotty87, 8, #314 of 2382 🔗

Good post! These are the sort of people who in another place and time would be writing bad poems about Comrade Stalin being the sun and the revolution the dawn.

350791 ▶▶ sunny66, replying to Scotty87, 3, #315 of 2382 🔗

well said!

350942 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 10, #316 of 2382 🔗

Excellent point and this attitude can also be seen among the rich and middle classes in the Third World (I should know because I have family there) and adherence to the Covidian cult is repellent especially in light of the appalling and grinding poverty. Attitudes towards and provision for mental health being stuck in the Pre-Cambrian Era also have a part to play with being devotees of this new religion.

Some members of my family have seen fit to lecture me about staying at home and wearing muzzles. To which I have politely told them to fuck off and have kept them at arms’ length ever since. This includes muting them on anti-social media as I can’t abide their nauseous virtue signalling and complicity in child abuse as well as “imprisonment” of our parents who have developed Stockholm Syndrome as a result.

350969 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Scotty87, 3, #317 of 2382 🔗

History shows collaborators are in the majority, depressing but true.

All I maintain is that on this earth there are pestilences and there are victims and it’s up to us, so far as possible, not to join forces with the pestilences.

The Plague

351451 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Scotty87, 8, #318 of 2382 🔗

Totally agree with your comments and the others below it. I find the nauseating virtue signalling from those who are relatively unscathed to be one of the worst aspects of this unpleasant episode. I think it had something to do with the knee-jerk reaction that got us into this mess and I’m sure it facilitated compulsory masks.

Contrary to some here, I am cautiously optimistic that there will be reckoning after the false narrative unravels and that the (surviving) victims of lockdowns will unite and seek justice. Populist parties are likely to tap into this anger and increase their support base. As a political scientist, it’s intersting to see how the Rona episode re-aligns the party system here and elsewhere.

350758 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 15, #319 of 2382 🔗

So the sainted NHS want private hospitals to down tools as well… is this to free up capacity for the ‘inevitable’ influx of COVID patients? Or are we about to see enforced withdrawal of all non COVID medical care? Or is it just a very nasty organisation that doesn’t want the private sector to be seen to be providing services that the NHS is not?

350922 ▶▶ wayno, replying to HelzBelz, 9, #320 of 2382 🔗

my opinion is this will inevitably lead to the NHS being privatised, they are putting the nails in their own coffin with constant whinging and saying they cant cope. Well if you cant cope you are not fit for purpose, lets bring in people that can run health care efficiently.

350764 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 39, #321 of 2382 🔗

Spend £20bn on a scheme to track the movements of everyone and then order them all to stay home


350783 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, 3, #322 of 2382 🔗

“That’s enough of that defeatist nonsense, Frazer! “

350766 Will, replying to Will, 3, #323 of 2382 🔗

Has Sweden published the total mortality in the country for 2020?

350782 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Will, 12, #324 of 2382 🔗

Yep, someone posted it earlier I think. Looking good, like an average year. Not being reported in the MSM, so you can tell it is good.

350768 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 7, #325 of 2382 🔗

Email I got from Sainsbury’s this morning:
I have spent a lot of time in our stores over the past few days and I need to ask for your help with two key issues to keep you and all my colleagues safe.

When shopping in our stores, you must wear a mask or visor unless you have a medical exemption. And you should also shop on your own. Thank you for your support.

Security guards will support our colleagues at the front of store and will challenge customers who are not wearing masks or who are shopping in groups. I know you’ll understand and support what we are trying to do.

We have also significantly reduced the number of customers allowed in our stores at any one time to ensure social distancing is maintained at all times.

Together, these steps will go a long way to keep everyone safe, whether you are shopping or working with us.

Please wear a mask or visor and please shop alone in our stores. Thank you for helping us to keep everyone safe.

Best wishes


350769 ▶▶ Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 16, #326 of 2382 🔗

I’m pretty certain the guidance (not law!) says that people shouldn’t be challenging us to prove we’re exempt from wearing masks!

350773 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Elenesse, 21, #327 of 2382 🔗

I would tell them to take a hike because these aren’t law and as for shopping alone, many people can’t carry as much as they can and need someone else to help.

What about those with disabilities and need companions?

This is discrimination pure and simple.

350778 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Elenesse, 24, #328 of 2382 🔗

The British government, while ‘mandating’ mask wearing, recognises this is against the spirit of the 1998 Human Rights Act so have allowed those who are distressed at ‘wearing … a face covering’ to exempt themselves . The key words from gov.uk are: “If you have a reason for not wearing a face covering, you don’t need to show any written evidence of this; you don’t need an exemption card … (It) is a personal choice, not required by law .” That is from gov.uk!!!

351258 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Bungle, 3, #329 of 2382 🔗

Ye so if you have any health problems caused by wearing a mask it is not the governments fault because you had a choice to exempt yourself.

352457 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to stevie, 1, #330 of 2382 🔗

They are going to use that as a get out clause if anyone tries to sue the government if they become ill through muzzle wearing.

350787 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Elenesse, 11, #331 of 2382 🔗

If I remember correctly, they said the same during the previous attempt to ramp things up. Nothing really changed on the ground and I’ve never been appraoched in one of their stores.

I’ll avoid them whenever I can anyway because nonsense like this is irritating and the beers are cheaper in Tesco Express!

350808 ▶▶ alw, replying to Elenesse, 5, #332 of 2382 🔗

What can you expect when the majority shareholder in the company is Middle Eastern?

350958 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Elenesse, 3, #333 of 2382 🔗

He should have finished the email with : Long live Kin Jun Ill! As this sounds like we are now in fucking N Korea! To quote Oliver Cromwell : You , my dear sir, are scum, complete and utter scum!!

352123 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Elenesse, 1, #334 of 2382 🔗


350770 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 72, #335 of 2382 🔗

Had my meeting yesterday finally and was relieved to learned that I’ve escaped the chop. The manager who I had the meeting with said that I’ve performed consistently well.

That was a relief but of course its a Pyrrhic victory as we’re still shut. What happens if we’re shut any longer? Bet they will have to make more people redundant.

If I was being cheeky, I would propose to us just opening up with no restrictions and be the first to volunteer with my maskless face ready to welcome visitors.

Thanks to everyone here who have been supportive throughout this drama, its been very much appreciated. The LS community has been more of a friend than many other people I know.

350775 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #336 of 2382 🔗

Very happy for you, Bart.

350913 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Annie, 6, #337 of 2382 🔗

Well done, Bart, from an ex Historic Royal Palaces employee.

350786 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #338 of 2382 🔗

I’m relieved for you Bart! I was hoping that you’d survive the chop.

350806 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #339 of 2382 🔗

I’m pleased for you but surprised that you were not made an example of for questioning the mantra of muzzles etc.

350821 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to arfurmo, 7, #340 of 2382 🔗

I’m very pleased for you. One of our number has survived for now. I hope you keep in work long term

350951 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to arfurmo, 7, #341 of 2382 🔗

The good thing about my workplace is they’re afraid of three things – courts, tribunals and media (including social media). There would have been hell to pay and they would have been crucified mercilessly had they discriminated against people with disabilities.

350813 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #342 of 2382 🔗

Brilliant news Bart, I was thinking about you last night and hoping you’d had good news.

350815 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #343 of 2382 🔗

Great news!

350817 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #344 of 2382 🔗

Great news Bart.

350820 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #345 of 2382 🔗

That is happy news. You are my favourite Heritage-Sector Professional.

350875 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #346 of 2382 🔗

Glad to hear it

350976 ▶▶ davews, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #347 of 2382 🔗

Great news Bart. One of these days I look forward to visiting the museums in London and even meeting you face to face, but suspect those days are still a long way off.

351018 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #348 of 2382 🔗

Great news!

351454 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Old Trout, 3, #349 of 2382 🔗

Thank you all for your kind remarks. When this shit show is over please visit my workplace and you can be assured of a warm welcome & great service from me and my colleagues.

352086 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #350 of 2382 🔗

Glad to hear your news.

352130 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #351 of 2382 🔗

Good news Bart!

350774 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 28, #352 of 2382 🔗

When I was arrested back in November I was chatting to my arresting officer during the long wait, and he told me his hobby was cycling and that he had done the 150-mile London to Brighton round trip, so I am using this as a yardstick for my permitted exercise.

351241 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 3, #353 of 2382 🔗

at my age that would take a week or two

351248 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to stevie, 4, #354 of 2382 🔗

During the Olympics the cyclists went from central London to the outskirts quicker than I could by Public transport.

350779 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 67, #355 of 2382 🔗

I’ve just placed a huge sign outside our local Sainsburys

‘Please do not shop here. We do not want your money’

Well, they started it

350784 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 25, #356 of 2382 🔗

Another one with a death wish so let’s grant their heart’s desire and boycott them


350859 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Cecil B, 7, #357 of 2382 🔗

You rebel!! Much admiration.

351542 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Cecil B, 2, #358 of 2382 🔗

Love love LOVE this

350788 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 21, #359 of 2382 🔗

The poll for David Warburton’s stance on lockdown is going well.

Support vote against LD: 92.1%
Do not support: 7.9%


350818 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #360 of 2382 🔗

Pleased to see that. Not on Twatter and have no intention of joining so can’t add my vote.

350936 ▶▶ Will, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #361 of 2382 🔗

I am not going to divulge quite how much that has made my day!!!!!

351436 ▶▶ Will, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #362 of 2382 🔗

I hope everyone on Twitter is saving and sharing the poll result…

350790 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #363 of 2382 🔗

I see a lot of good stats from the CDC on adverse vaccination events. Have we any publically avaliable stats here in the UK?

350793 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #364 of 2382 🔗

Not that I’ve seen anyway :o((

350800 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #365 of 2382 🔗

No, we take a different approach in the UK: we have a recorded message that repeats over and over again, “the vaccine is safe”.

350794 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 15, #366 of 2382 🔗

40% of over 80s have received the vaccine. But we are told hospitalisations are at record levels “due to Covid”. Something doesn’t add up.

350826 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to OKUK, 15, #367 of 2382 🔗

the vaccine takes several weeks to ‘not work very well’

351236 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to steve_w, 2, #368 of 2382 🔗

and you need a second shot after three weeks

350796 Thomasina, replying to Thomasina, 6, #369 of 2382 🔗

With regards to the lack of Wild Pheasants. I should think that the vast majority of butchers, food outlets source their pheasant supply from commercial shoots or even syndicates. These involve ‘shooting parties’ of up to 8/10 people maybe more on the big commercial shoots(they would still be classified as wild pheasants). They would bag possibly 400 pheasants a day (a heinous crime to some). Farm syndicates – local farmers shooting on their own land again would shoot many pheasants to supply their local butchers. These activities are not happening – hence the lack of pheasants.

350809 ▶▶ Will, replying to Thomasina, 3, #370 of 2382 🔗

Apart from the heinous crime bit, a very good summation. The only birds being shot at the moment are “walked up” birds and they will be going straight into the freezer of the people doing the shooting. There are a few spare birds in the butchers but driven shooting, by farm syndicate or large commercial shoot, is not permitted. Most shoots anticipated there would be serious disruption this winter and cut back on numbers accordingly. If only PHE was run by a gamekeeper!?!?

350801 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #371 of 2382 🔗

Received a semi diatribe from the CEO of Sainsburys.
Wear a mask and shop alone ( not “please shop alone”.

350962 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #372 of 2382 🔗

The CEO’s emails have been patronising and irritating. Does he write them or leaves them to a minion with little to non-existent skill and experience of drafting letters and doing research before bashing on the keyboard?

Shows how standards have really plumbed to a new low.

352152 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip, #373 of 2382 🔗


350804 CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #374 of 2382 🔗

Every word of this… if you haven’t read it yet, as someone who is fervently ANTI lockdown (I’m in the Bob Moran camp of “lockdowns are immoral under ANY circumstances.”) I recommend you stop whatever you’re doing and read it now. And send it to everyone, especially those who are wavering!


350810 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #375 of 2382 🔗

People pay £600+ a year for the privilege of carrying a tracking device around with them

The tracking device enables the dictatorship to lock them up without trial

On the plus side the tracking device allows the owner to take pictures of themselves

Wouldn’t it be less expensive and injurious to their freedom to purchase a mirror?

350814 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Cecil B, 8, #376 of 2382 🔗

You’re on excellent form today, Cecil.

350812 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 29, #377 of 2382 🔗

Hancock is like the cornered criminal… knows the gig is up, he’s going to be arrested, starts smashing everything up and inflicting as much pain as possible while he still has the chance. Encouraging shops to BREAK THE LAW by discriminating against people who cannot wear masks. Insert ANY other group and there would be public outcry, but he has demonised “those who will not obey”. Evil, EVIL little man!

350840 ▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #378 of 2382 🔗

I agree – as was discussed here last week the overreach point happened with the school closures. As the stories of over demand for places continue in the press seems to me the silent (generally mask wearing) majority have decided enough is enough. My daughter’s school is running north of 60% attendance and it’s affluent parents exactly the demographic that should be their core support.

Let’s not pretend there won’t be some further attempts at madness but I do think it’s coming to an end. Suspect the supermarket stunts around masks are a put up job simply because Hancock et al know they have lost authority. If you look at the Telegraph comments now the vast majority are just laughing at the ridiculous nature of the suggestion of the day.

350856 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to norfolksceptic, 6, #379 of 2382 🔗

Schools are not really closed. Stagecoach sent the usual two double deckers to pick up the kids from an outlying suburb to bus them across town (piss poor town planning natch).

350935 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #380 of 2382 🔗

“Made it ma. Top of the world!” (Boom)

Cody Jarrett.

352117 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #381 of 2382 🔗

That ghastly little shit needs to be fired, he is effectively sanctioning shops to be abusive to the disabled, I am furious with him. Shopping is torture enough for me as an exempt without even more abuse from maskoids. I hate Matt Hancock.

350816 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 5, #382 of 2382 🔗

Posted this late last night but I think it’s worth posting again. Looks like someone has put together a series of interviews from doctors all confirming what we know already, that this is a scam.


352220 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrew K, 1, #383 of 2382 🔗

Hodkinson is brilliant! Ironically everything he’s saying should stop is currently being “ramped up”.

350824 captainbeefheart, 33, #384 of 2382 🔗

Oh dear, I woke up again today. I was hoping I would die in my sleep, but I didn’t.

I noticed an e-mail from the BBC asking me to complete a survey about what I thought of their services. As the survey didn’t work, I complained. Here is my complaint:


I have just been sent a survey to complete by the BBC. I wanted to take part in the survey to register how disgusted in general I am with the BBC.

Unfortunately, the link you sent me just puts me into a “loop” of asking for my email address and then telling me that you sent me an email and then asking for my email address again. I never actually get to take the survey, so I thought I’d let you know what I think about your vile organisation in a complaint instead.

I am of the opinion that I would like to see the BBC burned to the ground and many of the bigwigs that are in charge of it swinging from lamp posts.

You people are totally disgusting. You have facilitated in destroying our country by helping to scare the living daylights out of everyone.

COVID-19 IS NOT AS DEADLY AS YOU PEOPLE HAVE MADE OUT. Why would you advocate destroying everyone’s human rights and trashing the economy for a disease that most people have a 99.95% chance of surviving? One with an average age of death of 82 years old? Just why?

If you kill the economy, there will be no money for the NHS. Without an economy and a health care service PEOPLE WILL DIE. Do you people not understand this?

I am NEVER going to forgive you traitors for this.

I am going to get a ladder, RIP DOWN my TV antenna, uninstall iPlayer from all of my devices and then you scumbags are never getting another penny out of me ever again.

350825 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #385 of 2382 🔗

Once BLM get their act together this will kick off

That should keep the rozzers busy and prevent them bothering us


350978 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 2, #386 of 2382 🔗

BLM really don’t like the browns deep down
They are not black enough

353007 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Crystal Decanter, #387 of 2382 🔗

Many of the BLM scum is white 🤦‍♀️ . As long as the globalist filth pays for them to protest I don’t think they care

350829 kvnmoore561, replying to kvnmoore561, 9, #388 of 2382 🔗

Just received this email from Sainsbury’s:

“I have spent a lot of time in our stores over the past few days and I need to ask for your help with two key issues to keep you and all my colleagues safe.
When shopping in our stores, you must wear a mask or visor unless you have a medical exemption. And you should also shop on your own. Thank you for your support.
Security guards will support our colleagues at the front of store and will challenge customers who are not wearing masks or who are shopping in groups. I know you’ll understand and support what we are trying to do.
We have also significantly reduced the number of customers allowed in our stores at any one time to ensure social distancing is maintained at all times.
Together, these steps will go a long way to keep everyone safe, whether you are shopping or working with us.
Please wear a mask or visor and please shop alone in our stores. Thank you for helping us to keep everyone safe.
Best wishes


I intend to respond but I’m not exactly sure how to at the moment, surely this is discrimination?

I haven’t actually posted on here for a while since they changed the log in method, it won’t recognise my old log in name for some reason.

Anyway, I’d appreciate your thoughts!

350849 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kvnmoore561, 5, #389 of 2382 🔗

What about shoppers who need to accompanied by carers by virtue of Disability?

350857 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to kvnmoore561, 7, #390 of 2382 🔗

Yes, I had that this morning – seriously makes me think of switching to Amazon and hope the fuckers go bust

350876 ▶▶ danny, replying to kvnmoore561, 7, #391 of 2382 🔗

Got the same. Just replied now expressing disappointment at his lack of faith in his customers. To assume that somebody without a mask doesn’t have a reason is to assume criminality. Also, posed the hypothetical situation of somebody with anxiety feeling coerced into donning a mask and then something bad happening, in which case his letter will obviously be used as evidence in a court of law.

350906 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to danny, 9, #392 of 2382 🔗

I’m one of those non mask wearing anxiety people. When challenged I go into Hulk, meltdown mode.

350904 ▶▶ Basics, replying to kvnmoore561, 2, #393 of 2382 🔗

Fwiw on the log in. I find after I input my pass and name the site says error – sending email to reset password. At that point I do not click the reset email link, instead I use the broweser back button to go back to the main page with comments. There I find that I am now logged in.

350920 ▶▶ mj, replying to kvnmoore561, 11, #394 of 2382 🔗

how about “f*ck off, it’s not your job to act as the government’s gestapo. i will be using Aldi or lidl in future”

350987 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kvnmoore561, 9, #395 of 2382 🔗

Why doesn’t he take a hike? Anyway a lot of Sainsbury’s fruit is shite (Co-op, Waitrose, M&S are better) and also overpriced (Tesco and Lidl more competitively priced).

Echoing other posters here:

  1. What about shoppers who need carers to accompany them due to their disability and infirmity?
  2. There is something in the H&S about an acceptable weight that one person can carry comfortably. Anything heavier is against H&S and can lead to problems and aggravate pre-existing conditions. Two people shopping together can actually reduce the number of trips one makes to the supermarket
  3. “Severe distress” is one of the grounds for exemption and that covers a huge swathe of both physical and mental/psychological conditions. Do they have a death wish where they’re practically begging to be sued for discrimination?

I hope to God someone does sue Sainsbury’s to put the fear of God in them and other retailers, venues, museums, etc…

351012 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #396 of 2382 🔗

Agree. Fruit and vegetables far better sourced from a market – better quality and prices. Always puzzled me why apples from Waitrose caused me to have a minor allergic reaction – do they spray the damn things with something to make them look nice …

351042 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 3, #397 of 2382 🔗

We don’t have a market unfortunately and have to source our fruit and veg from the supermarket. Mr Bart does grow stuff in his allotment but there’s a limit to what he can grow.

I suspect that something they sprayed in the apples did cause the allergic reaction. Most odd.

353009 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Bart Simpson, #398 of 2382 🔗

Probably a coating of wax to a) keep in the moisture and b) make them look pretty and shiny. Could be carnauba or shellac.

351263 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to kh1485, 3, #399 of 2382 🔗

I suspect that a lot of people will never go back into a Supermarket again. What is the point if they have no deli service any more and you can source your fresh food from markets, small shops and farmers?
I think Tesco are already heading towards a warehouse solution for home deliveries and will probably change their supermarkets to a sort of “concession” model.

351421 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to FenTyger, 2, #400 of 2382 🔗

I think you’re right. Don’t like supermarket shopping at the best of times but this adds a whole new level of misery to the experience. If it weren’t for the fact that I buy cheap bottled water there (tap water here is grim), I wouldn’t go at all.

353010 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to kh1485, #401 of 2382 🔗

We had a reverse osmosis unit installed in the kitchen for drinking water, with a line to the freezer for ice cubes. It wasn’t all that expensive. Figure we’ll be money ahead in a few more months. Has helped us to avoid the mask nazi grocery store and as a bonus, no more lugging bottled water up from the garage.

352014 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FenTyger, 2, #402 of 2382 🔗

Supermarkets will still exist especially for areas that don’t have markets, small shops and farm shops but I think many of them have alienated so many people that they’re boycotting them and would happily travel further to source their food.

352486 ▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to FenTyger, 2, #403 of 2382 🔗

I hate supermarkets now. Even when this nonsense is over I’m going to associate Tesco with facemask oppression. I think I’ll start using the Aldi they’re building in my town when it opens.

350830 steve_w, 4, #404 of 2382 🔗
350831 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 2, #405 of 2382 🔗

Does anyone know someone who has had the vaccine?

If so do they get issued with any kind of ‘proof’ that they have?

350834 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 3, #406 of 2382 🔗

My father has had the Oxford jab. No “proof” issued.

350836 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #407 of 2382 🔗

Is he doing ok? The AstraZeneca one had the two cases of transverse myelitis in the trials.

350848 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to jb12, 2, #408 of 2382 🔗

Seems to be. Looked tired when I saw him on Sunday (jabbed on Friday), so probably way too early to tell.

350843 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 2, #409 of 2382 🔗

1 care worker and one elderly lady, the latter still scared of the virus. Didn’t mention proof.
What would happen if they went elsewhere for a third jab ‘just to be on the safe side’?

351220 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #410 of 2382 🔗

They will be entered into the computer system (Pinnacle?).

350847 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 4, #411 of 2382 🔗

Yes a couple of people I know have had the Oxford one as they are both NHS workers and they were issued with a card with the type of vaccine that they had and the date.

350921 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to CapLlam, 3, #412 of 2382 🔗

Do they look easy to fake? Or have they got QR codes etc on?

350980 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #413 of 2382 🔗

Anything can be duplicated.
Will let you know what I find on the darkest corners of the net

350854 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 7, #414 of 2382 🔗

My mother in law had her invite. On the extended family zoom I said ‘we should all say our goodbyes now then’ which got a few laughs

350873 ▶▶ alw, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 4, #415 of 2382 🔗

My husband got a card.

350966 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 4, #416 of 2382 🔗

You get a number tattooed on your hand ,they saw it in a book or something and they it works wonders.

351372 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 1, #417 of 2382 🔗

Both inlaws have been done and they just got a card. From what I could tell, the admin side is awful. There is no way any of the tracking done so far could be used as the basis of a system where you have to prove you have been vaccinated. The GP doesn’t even know and would have to ask you and take your word for it.

350833 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 9, #418 of 2382 🔗

I just sent this to Tim Harford at BBC More or Less..

Thank you for your excellent programmes.

I just downloaded this from the NHS website.


Total deaths under 60 with no pre-existing condition = 6+46+342 = 394.

Do you think the data suggests that the majority of deaths are caused by other diseases but that these cases happen to have a relatively unrelated PCR test?

See image below. Image was enclosed.

350943 ▶▶ John001, replying to Basileus, #419 of 2382 🔗

I e-mailed More or Less about vitamin D.I had no reply.

351874 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to John001, 1, #420 of 2382 🔗

I did get an acknowledgement. We need to keep doing, the results will come.

350835 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 35, #421 of 2382 🔗

The way forward. Only people will lead the way out of this, after the cowardice of the Establishment:


Italy. 50,000 restauranteurs have decided to open up against Covid19 restrictions, lunch and dinner, banding together to form an alliance. This is the only way to stop this, mass civil disobedience. Long Live the People

350839 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #422 of 2382 🔗

Good news, shame our hospitality industry just seems intent on complaining about being shut and asking the Government for more money.

350844 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ambwozere, 2, #423 of 2382 🔗

Frustrating in fact!!

350885 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ambwozere, 4, #424 of 2382 🔗

It’s tbe opposite. There is a domino effect in Northern Ireland at the minute with hotels and gyms offering their space for vaccination centres. Pathetic stuff

350851 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Nick Rose, 16, #425 of 2382 🔗

I think there is something in this. Mr TT is from a farming background. Were it not for farmers getting lawyered up, and the senior vets lobbying directly to Government during the Foot & Mouth crisis in the early 2000s, where Neil Ferguson’s modeling was first employed by the then CSA (Sir David King), every single cloven hooved animal in the UK would have been killed. The country would have been in the situation of potential mass starvation. We would have killed all of the pedigree breeding stock from which much of the world’s animals are bred. Where are our doctors, lawyers and business leaders in this latest Ferguson-inspired crisis?

350883 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 10, #426 of 2382 🔗

I have to say of all the professions complicit in this fraud, the medics have disappointed me the most, I expected police to be twats, but why haven’t more doctors blown more whistles.

350928 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #427 of 2382 🔗

Senior medics are always the first to cave when totalitarianism calls from left or right, same goes for academics.

350862 ▶▶ alw, replying to Nick Rose, #428 of 2382 🔗

Twitter feed not available to me?

351140 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to alw, 1, #429 of 2382 🔗

Comes up OK for me – should come up even if not on Twitter…

351215 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to alw, #430 of 2382 🔗

Try reloading page.

351176 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #431 of 2382 🔗

That’s what I’ve been saying. Every shop, restaurant, venue, museum, heritage site should just reopen without any restrictions and let the police try to shut them down.

Refuse to pay the fines, cry foul and demand that it goes to court. See how they like it being held up for 50,000 years.

352146 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #432 of 2382 🔗

Seconded, If everyone was just to defy the government, reopen everything and just chuck out all the social distancing and mask crap the old normal would just return by default. If enough people did this the police would be overwhelmed and there would be nothing the tossers in Wasteminster could do about it. It would be like the wizard of Oz “You’ve always has the power to go back to Kansas”

350837 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #433 of 2382 🔗

I’ve been trying to find if there were any laws enacted in WW2 to punish ‘fear-mongering’. I can’t find anything

I have been listening to ‘Operation Sea-lion’ by Leo McKinstry and I’m sure there was something in there – but I am always half asleep.

350841 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steve_w, 1, #434 of 2382 🔗

Yes there were, I can’t remember what they were called but it was dealt with in an episode of Foyles War.

350850 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to karenovirus, #435 of 2382 🔗

is it good? is it on amazon? I just had a look on wiki and I’d be interested in seeing the stuff set in 1940

350916 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steve_w, #436 of 2382 🔗

I would imagine so. It features Michael Kitchen as a police inspector running Hastings police station during and beyond WW2. Looks at lots of different aspects of civilian life.
Pre-woke BBC, about 6 series.

350993 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to karenovirus, #437 of 2382 🔗

thanks! might give it a try tonight!

352251 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #438 of 2382 🔗

It’s on Prime at around £5 per 4 episode season – 9 seasons.

350842 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to steve_w, 5, #439 of 2382 🔗

The Establishment’s actions are certainly akin to an air steward running up and down an aircraft’s aisle screaming “we’re all gonna die!!!”

350852 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #440 of 2382 🔗

This is what I was thinking. Whatever happened to keep calm and carry on?

If we could find the old law we could reinvigorate it to deal with Ferguson, SAGE, the Nudge Unit and the BBC

351095 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to steve_w, 3, #441 of 2382 🔗

I have been listening to ‘Operation Sea-lion’

Is that the one where you clap for the NHS?

351128 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Old Bill, 2, #442 of 2382 🔗

Only if you’re barking.

351405 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to steve_w, 2, #443 of 2382 🔗

This situation got me thinking. We look back at WW2 with a certain understanding that the outcome was successful and therefore everything done was with the blessing of the population. It got me thinking that there must have been quite a few people at the time thinking that we should just stick to protecting our boarders and leave the mainland to it.

Also, we face the prospect of ‘Victory’ day, possibly later this year. I know a lot of people think the outcome is something else, but I think sometime in the summer, we could well see the government claim a victory, even if we are not 100% out of it. Can you imagine how insufferable that will be? Sir Matt Hancock anyone?

350855 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #444 of 2382 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55622371 although very sad given the age of the person, but, despite that her parents say that she had high blood pressure and nothing else wrong with her, the photograph tells a different story. Obesity is a known risk factor.

350880 ▶▶ jb12, replying to p02099003, 9, #445 of 2382 🔗

Britain is full of fat bastards, so when they look at that face, they see normality. Her body was already under strain carrying that much fat.

350882 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, 5, #446 of 2382 🔗

This is the only person under 20 to be labelled a Covid death in Northern Ireland. He died of heart failure. His father only knew of his Covid stat after the fact. The boy tested negative while in hospital.


350900 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to p02099003, 11, #447 of 2382 🔗

It’s a shame when a young person dies but the media really needs to get real here. This person was morbidly obese.

350919 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to p02099003, 4, #448 of 2382 🔗

Further down it suggests that she was on the priority list for the vaccine due to health conditions.

350937 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to p02099003, 4, #449 of 2382 🔗

Also Llywnypia is a poverty stricken shithole
Start there
Not “coronavirus”

350858 chaos, 7, #450 of 2382 🔗

You can dance round all kinds of theories.. or you can read what he wrote, influenced by daddy, 13 years ago…


He has long been inclined and primed to enact agenda 2030.. beneath the clown is a rotten man. Kids for them, not for you.. affairs.. morality is theirs to twist, not for you to twist.. the earth is theirs to enjoy from the window of their plane seat.. not for you.. meat is for them not you.. you useless eaters.. get back in your hutches, cover your face.. stay apart, stay home, stay away from granny, go broke..

All we need is a great big mountain top, big enough, big enough, to take the world and what its got… be part of the Pepsi conversation..

350860 alw, replying to alw, 6, #451 of 2382 🔗

The vaccines are being pushed on the former while apparently nobody dare speak of the latter. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1348610177805799425 )

350878 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, 4, #452 of 2382 🔗

Thanks for posting. Excellent and concise explanation of risk

350861 New name old face, replying to New name old face, 5, #453 of 2382 🔗

I paraphrase for you: A sceptic shows veneer of science for us scientists do not accept things unquestionably and so are sceptical. In truth, he says, sceptics just peddle misinformation…..

Says the computer modeller who can choose whatever parameters he likes…


350877 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to New name old face, 5, #454 of 2382 🔗

He is a fairly junior academic with a mathematical background. He does not have enough experience of science, let alone life, to make such claims. Best ignored!

350939 ▶▶ dhid, replying to New name old face, 3, #455 of 2382 🔗

He mentions “Lockdown Skeptics” – not us then, as we are “Lockdown Sceptics”.


He’s also a “Mathematical Biologist” so, as you say, he just plays with models.

350949 ▶▶ jb12, replying to New name old face, 3, #456 of 2382 🔗

Most academics are just such cunts, particularly this new breed who are told they have to be more than ‘just’ a researcher – it is all about public engagement now (which itself is only to justify the myriad of pointless research projects funded by the public). I am doing my PhD now, but I will be gone when I have it and good riddance too!

350863 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 21, #457 of 2382 🔗

Some stupid cow is on the Jeremy Vine program just now. They are discussing the supermarkets banning people who are not wearing masks.

The silly cow has just said that “the government should fine these people who are not wearing masks because they are creating an unsafe atmosphere for people who are shopping & spreading germs by touching thing’s”

Totally oblivious to the fact that there is
Exemptions from wearing masks.

350870 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 18, #458 of 2382 🔗

And the fucking idiots touch their filthy mask every 2 seconds and then touch everything else

350874 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to stefarm, 6, #459 of 2382 🔗

After blowing their noses and eating their own snot.

350908 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to FerdIII, 2, #460 of 2382 🔗

To be fair, face masks, particularly if homemade, are exellent as hankies and you don’t have the inconvenience of having to fish around in your sleeve to find it!

350959 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Puddleglum, 3, #461 of 2382 🔗

Just don’t flush it down the toilet though. Lol.

350892 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to stefarm, 5, #462 of 2382 🔗

Yes. that disgusts me too, and then they look at the unmuzzled with disgust!

I always try to pick stuff from the back of the shelf for that very reason.

350871 ▶▶ jb12, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 7, #463 of 2382 🔗

Totally oblivious to the fact that masks go on your face not your hands, so even if they worked they won’t help her be ‘safe’ from ‘touching things’.

350872 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #464 of 2382 🔗

No evidence whatsoever exists Diapers work. Virus is 0.012 micron sized. Your diaper will not stop it egressing or entering.

350889 ▶▶ l835, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 7, #465 of 2382 🔗

I tend not to touch things in shops with my unmasked face…

350918 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #466 of 2382 🔗

Didn’t know you could put groceries in a trolley/basket without touching em!

350924 ▶▶ Toby Pierides, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #467 of 2382 🔗

We are truly awful people. I mean “touching” stuff while you are shopping! So selfish. Bloody plague carriers!!!

351311 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #468 of 2382 🔗

Remember that the BBC filter out callers to these programmes so there’s no chance of an alternative point of view getting through. Also, how is wearing a mask and spreading germs by ‘touching things’ unsafe. It seems to me that what she is saying is that people should wear masks because they create an unsafe environment and equates that with people ‘touching things’. Can’t have both.

352169 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, #469 of 2382 🔗

I’d like to face off with her especially if she has one of the blue face nappy ones on. I’d let her call me a “covidiot” I’d then explain to her that viral particles just goes straight through the muzzle and travels 6 metres as an aerosol rendering them useless. I’d also tell her that the mast is made out of polypropylene which can shed micro fibres into her lungs especially when its wet, that it can cause a myriad of health issues, can grow mould if worn for too long and it has been sterilized with Ethylene Oxide, a known carcinogen. Should shut her up. This is my new tactic with mask zealots, make the thing out to be as gross as they are.

352172 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, #470 of 2382 🔗

*Sorry Mask; typo

350864 Nick Rose, 12, #471 of 2382 🔗
350868 Mark, replying to Mark, 5, #472 of 2382 🔗

Stop Press 2: The Swedish physiologist Johan Hellström has published a historic mortality graph for no-lockdown Sweden up to and including 2020, and as you may expect, there isn’t much to see:

I note yesterday that this graph, while excellent in itself, does tend to understate past mortality because of Sweden’s growing population. Fortunately someone in the Twitter thread posted a version taking this into account:

350879 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Mark, 3, #473 of 2382 🔗

UK 2020 death rates are marginally above 2019 and below many years in the past 10 years.

350869 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 47, #474 of 2382 🔗

How to kill the virus.

Common sense says: Vitamins, Exercise, Go outdoors where the virus naturally dies, eat well, drink water, eat fruit/veggies, follow what your mom told you.

Cult of science says; LD’s, diapers, don’t go outside, take our tests, take our vaxx poison (many times), herd through Sainsbury, shut down your business, lose your job, close the gyms so you become sick, fear monger the kids, make up data, repeat that the NHS is overwhelmed don’t go there (but clap like an idiot), isolate, become a sociopath.

I will take Mom’s scientific advice over these morons, every. single. day.

350887 ▶▶ TJN, replying to FerdIII, 12, #475 of 2382 🔗

Yep, my mother, my grandmother, and doubtless all the mothers before that. They knew far, far more than this shower.

351061 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TJN, 2, #476 of 2382 🔗

As my friend says that you know that the “experts” are talking crap when a podcaster and fitness advocate Zuby speaks more common sense.

350907 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to FerdIII, 13, #477 of 2382 🔗

Indeed. Really saddens me when I see mothers with young children smear them with chemicals and clean them with anti-bacterial wipes. No wonder there is a prepronderance of allergies. Back in the day if you got mucky parents used a bit of spit on a hanky (which elicited much protest!) but which probably did your immune system far more good.

350914 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to kh1485, 2, #478 of 2382 🔗

Not to mention Child vaxx’s. Autism, Behavioural probs, Narcolepsy, many other issues now endemic in children due to the jabs. Some vaxx’s are okay but totally different than the flu (smallpox, rabies). Many are useless, and for some, dangerous.

350955 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to FerdIII, #479 of 2382 🔗

Exactly. My health was adversely affected when I was given injections for allergies. God knows what the hell was in those things.

350941 ▶▶▶ nootnoot, replying to kh1485, 4, #480 of 2382 🔗

I remember by mum licking her fingers and rubbing them on my face clean it. Probably the reason I don’t have any type of alergy. Our house was never sterile like some people create these days.

350954 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to nootnoot, 4, #481 of 2382 🔗

And if you cut your finger your mum always told you to lick it. I guess that notion would be abhorent today. But that’s what animals do when they are injured so it’s clearly an instinctive thing to do.

350994 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #482 of 2382 🔗

I still do that. I’ve found that using those wipes sting badly and sometimes causes the cut to swell a bit.

351044 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #483 of 2382 🔗

And the types who use that crap are always the ones who parrot “the environment, the environment” yet pollute it happily.

351055 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 6, #484 of 2382 🔗

Yep. In 2017-19, they were hysterical about single use plastics and coffee cups. Now there’s silence with masks and other PPE harming the environment and clogging our waters.

352522 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Bart Simpson, #485 of 2382 🔗

Shocking amounts of waste these days.

351118 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to kh1485, 5, #486 of 2382 🔗

Have you ever noticed that the people who bang on about single use plastics are always flying off on holiday.

350950 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to kh1485, 2, #487 of 2382 🔗

Still do that from time to time. My daughter hates it! God knows what the covidians think when they see me do it.

350929 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FerdIII, 7, #488 of 2382 🔗

stick to good quality meat/cheese/eggs/youghurt for your immune system.
There is a reason they are trying to get rid of it all with this plant muck

350886 danny, replying to danny, 20, #489 of 2382 🔗

How about asking all shops and especially workplaces that demand masks to sign a document stating that if any long term respiratory complications occur from wearing masks, they will accept potential medical liability?

350894 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to danny, 3, #490 of 2382 🔗

Ask them for scientific proof, that they can show you on the spot, that the diapers work. Hear them mumble about ‘science’.

350997 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FerdIII, 5, #491 of 2382 🔗

Or their risk assessment. 9.9999 times out of 10 they don’t have one.

It’s like with the hand sanitiser. Note that shops have stopped forcing people to use them.

351002 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to danny, 2, #492 of 2382 🔗

They aren’t covered anyway if you “catch” Covid-19 or another SARS related illness. Insurance policies don’t indemnify a company against this now. No mention of how you catch it just that it you are sued you are on your own.

There are ways to reduce the liability by saying you have followed “official advice” but it’s a shitshow. Insurance companies have absolved themselves of any responsibilty.

350888 Csaba, replying to Csaba, 4, #493 of 2382 🔗

I don’t know how you feel but reading Mr Hancock’s vaccination plan paper i could not to resist to raise my eyebrows when i read about the “Great British Success” just after section 3.15. Surely how anybody could use these words in a situation like that. It was about the Oxford vaccine but still don’t understand how it can be a success. Any thoughts?

350932 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Csaba, #494 of 2382 🔗

No thoughts, no thinking – it is better that way. Being ‘British’ is enough for this vaccine.

350891 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 6, #495 of 2382 🔗


Now I wonder, are Wancock, Patel and Foetida Dick guilty of this by encouraging supermarkets to break the Disability Discrimination Act 2010/

350995 ▶▶ dhid, replying to vargas99, 4, #496 of 2382 🔗

I did mention to a floor manager that I might report Asda for this, when challenged once, as to why I was exempt when I had told the wannabes in the foyer I was exempt.

I have been asked if I would like a mask since, but not why I’m exempt.

I do know several people who wear one just to avoid conflict, which is sad, but also don’t like others being challenged.

350893 alw, replying to alw, 26, #497 of 2382 🔗

Read of the day.

350902 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to alw, 2, #498 of 2382 🔗

What’s in the bottle? :-s

350912 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to mattghg, 2, #499 of 2382 🔗

Embalming fluid?

350965 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to mattghg, #500 of 2382 🔗

Might have been caught short?

350971 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to mattghg, 3, #501 of 2382 🔗

Sent the pic to my son and this is his response; This is day 5 of home schooling and I’m not going to lie, I considered opening a beer literally 2 minutes ago.

351060 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to alw, 1, #502 of 2382 🔗

I’ve signed up for an annual subscription!

350895 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 19, #503 of 2382 🔗

My partition idea seems to be gaining traction, or perhaps other independent thinkers have reached the same conclusion:


I imagine worse case scenario that if push comes to shove we can separate our country into the lardy furloughed covid lovers and those that wish to take their chances and want to get busy living.

I am sure we could arrange a partition –

I know what side of the wall I am on

350923 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #504 of 2382 🔗

Just head for an area and then “de-covidify” it just like the muslims do

350931 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #505 of 2382 🔗

I would love to separate off from mainstream society.

351011 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #506 of 2382 🔗

Their nation would fail miserably in very short order as there would be no-one to do any work, and their science would be based on consensus rather than reality, so stuff would simply not work as desired. These fuckwits are getting a free ride.

352322 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, #507 of 2382 🔗

Bags the SouthWest is open to the living. I love the North but you have to admit, the weather’s better down there.

350896 Crystal Decanter, 5, #508 of 2382 🔗

Gab seems to have added a few more gerbils today
Still a tad glitchy but far better than of late

Gab>>>Groups>>.Lockdown sceptics

350899 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 7, #509 of 2382 🔗

I was sent this Pic, a bit of an eye opener! Replace Soviet with CCP?

350909 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to tonyspurs, #510 of 2382 🔗

My son (14) mentioned this quote to me regarding the USA, he can add all Western states….Cultural Marxism – destroy the West from within. Fascism is always a left-wing secular phenomenon.

351010 ▶▶ dhid, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #511 of 2382 🔗

Chillingly accurate.

352429 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to tonyspurs, #512 of 2382 🔗

I can’t fucking chew my supper.

350910 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #513 of 2382 🔗

Angling is classed as exercise and is allowed but golf (I believe) is still banned.
I am an angler albeit a fine weather one and yes there are some angling practices where you do cover a lot of ground and water but in the main it is a sedentary hobby where you sit in one position for hours on end.
Golf on the other hand is an hobby where you cover several miles and are swinging fairly heavy clubs, my golfing acquaintances tell me.
This is arse-backwards, just like this PATHETIC government and their ridiculous and pointless measures.

351001 ▶▶ Will, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #514 of 2382 🔗

If my lad didn’t have the incentive of fishing at the weekend I think he would give up on the whole business. The twats have already deprived him of his friends, his cricket, his rugby and a proper education, they will be taking his pike fishing away over my dead body.

351030 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Will, 6, #515 of 2382 🔗

Well said, Will.
As a angler (on and off) for over 60 years, I could not agree more, it’s just the inconsistency and stupidity of these nonsensical diktats which target the likes of your son.
Wish him “tight lines “.

351122 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #516 of 2382 🔗

Tennis as well especially if playing with family member .

351318 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #517 of 2382 🔗

does dogging count as exercise (within bubble member of course)?

352355 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TyRade, #518 of 2382 🔗

You have to wear a muzzle.

350911 Elenesse, 6, #519 of 2382 🔗

Interesting reading from a document found on gov.uk itself! Dated March 22nd 2020, all about the best ways of inducing compliance to covid-19 rules. Chilling since one of those tactics is coercion which is a hallmark of totalitarian regimes:


350915 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #520 of 2382 🔗

I agree with Mrs Dicks observation that gambling in London basements is dangerous

However I wasn’t thinking virus, I’m more concerned about the Krays turning up and wiring my balls up to the mains electricity

351016 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Cecil B, 1, #521 of 2382 🔗

I’d be more worried about plod and the wiring me to the mains these days frankly…

350927 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 8, #522 of 2382 🔗

All this talk of getting old
It’s getting me down my love
Like a cat in a bag, waiting to drown
This time I’m comin’ down

And I hope you’re thinking of me
As you lay down on your side
Now the drugs masks don’t work
They just make you worse
But I know I’ll see your face again

Now the drugs masks don’t work
They just make you worse
But I know I’ll see your face again

But I know I’m on a losing streak
‘Cause I passed down my old street
And if you wanna show, then just let me know
And I’ll sing in your ear again

Now the drugs masks don’t work
They just make you worse
But I know I’ll see your face again

‘Cause baby, ooo, if heaven falls, I’m coming, too
Just like you said, you leave my life, I’m better off dead

All this talk of getting old
It’s getting me down my love
Like a cat in a bag, waiting to drown
This time I’m comin’ down

Now the drugs masks don’t work
They just make you worse
But I know I’ll see your face again

‘Cause baby, ooo, if heaven falls, I’m coming, too
Just like you said, you leave my life, I’m better off dead

But if you wanna show, just let me know
And I’ll sing in your ear again

Now the drugs masks don’t work
They just make you worse
But I know I’ll see your face again

Yeah, I know I’ll see your face again
Yeah, I know I’ll see your face again
Yeah, I know I’ll see your face again
Yeah, I know I’ll see your face again

I’m never going down, I’m never coming down
No more, no more, no more, no more, no more
I’m never coming down, I’m never going down
No more, no more, no more, no more, no more
I’m never going down, I’m never coming down
No more, no more, no more, no more, no more
I’m never coming down, I’m never going down
No more, no more, no more, no more, no more
I’m never coming down, I’m never going down
No more, no more, no more, no more, no more

350934 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to vargas99, 1, #523 of 2382 🔗

Aaahh… the verve 🤙🏻

350988 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to vargas99, 2, #524 of 2382 🔗

I listened to this after very bad breakup , I also hummed it while mid combat..Strange what songs come to you head when a bullet lands a cm from your head.

351025 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to vargas99, #525 of 2382 🔗


350933 swedenborg, 11, #526 of 2382 🔗


This is the FLLC alliance useful FAQ about Ivermectin.Though US focused in treatment options,very useful answers to RCTs efficacy etc. The first country today in Europe reg. Ivermectin for use and starting mass treatment is North Macedonia.Other Eastern European countries in line. UK most likely last.

350938 Old Trout, replying to Old Trout, 9, #527 of 2382 🔗

Hi all, anyone else worried about an elderly parent taking the vaccine? My 75 year old fit and healthy mum suddenly announced yesterday she and my dad were going to have the vaccine. Said the Queen got it so it must be ok!!! It doesn’t help that my brother is a total zealot who has a face mask permanently welded to his face, and is always frightening my parents over how terrible it all is and how much danger they could be in.

Any suggestions as to what approach may help? Also could anyone point me to a good, fairly short (and fairly simple!) report or video which explains the vaccine, its limitations and possible side effects that I can show them without bogging them down in information. Thankfully they are open to looking at data and reports and are not wholly accepting of the propaganda.

Grateful to anyone who could help and a big thanks to all on here (and Toby) as I think LS is the only thing that is keeping me sane!

350944 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Old Trout, 14, #528 of 2382 🔗

I’m for freedom, that includes letting other people have the freedom to do stupid things. They are adults with a free will. Let them do what they want to do

350973 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Cecil B, 2, #529 of 2382 🔗

So am I. I want them to make their own choice but an informed choice, which people are not getting from the MSM.

350947 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Old Trout, 12, #530 of 2382 🔗

Well if your old mum becomes infertile.. you will not get that baby sister or brother you always wanted.

350975 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to chaos, 1, #531 of 2382 🔗

My mother died from sneezing when she was four years old so doesn’t really apply

350981 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Old Trout, 2, #532 of 2382 🔗

You could just point out that none of the (so called) vaccines have completed the trials (not by a long way).

350982 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Old Trout, 6, #533 of 2382 🔗

Their body their choice, I do not ask anybody not to take the vaccine as long as they don’t force me to take one. Nothing can be done, hope for the best, except the worst.

351009 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Old Trout, 1, #534 of 2382 🔗

Replying to myself as can’t edit. Just to add I am not wanting to force them not to take the vaccine,which I think is almost as bad as forcing someone to take it. I just want to show them some evidence to offset all the MSM hype so they can make an informed decision.

351035 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Old Trout, 2, #535 of 2382 🔗

The BMJ link above is a good one. Here’s some examples of misleading statements from Hancock, those who exclusively get their news from the MSM will not know they are being mislead:

351053 ▶▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #536 of 2382 🔗

Thanks that’s excellent!

351013 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Old Trout, 2, #537 of 2382 🔗

First, they need to consult a family doctor or GP (can be done online now).
Second, they need to understand who they are – are they ill with other conditions? Do they smoke, are they overweight and how is their immune system for their age?
Third, there are 3 vaxx’s – all different. There is a doctor review here (quite long) which says don’t take Pfizer or Astra-Z.,, maybe consider taking Moderna.

Fourth, Astra has a direct link to aborted fetal cells . Pfizer and Moderna have no direct links, but indirect links to the same.

351057 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to FerdIII, #538 of 2382 🔗

Cheers for the the advice and the link

351022 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Old Trout, 5, #539 of 2382 🔗

I am sending people this excellent but ruthless article by a BMJ editor calling out the criminal suppression of data and departure from normal protocol in vaccine testing. They are NOT sufficiently tested (trials should take place over YEARS not months!) The Queen taking it is either a PR exercise or tantamount to attempted treason. They should take it if willing to take an experimental drug in general. Otherwise, maybe take their chances with “covid” (the fancy rebranded name chosen to replace “common cold”…)


351047 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #540 of 2382 🔗

It’s excellent.

351164 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #541 of 2382 🔗

Thanks fior that article. I am pretty sure the Queen ‘taking it’ is publicity stunt/propaganda, appeals to a lot of people of a certain age. I can’t help but wonder what would happen if she did pass away in the next few weeks. That would open a can of worms!

351199 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Old Trout, #542 of 2382 🔗

That’s why my money is on a publicity stunt… with or without her knowledge. Easy to inject her with some harmless saline solution. But I’m not a conspiracy theorist so…

351146 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Old Trout, 3, #543 of 2382 🔗

My dad is very keen to take this vaccine. He is 55 with no underlying conditions and does a lot of cycling. Mum (54) is a little more sceptical but she is generally just a bit strange and doesn’t really trust any sort of drug or pharmaceutical intervention.

I despair at dad’s desperation to have this pumped into him so willingly (and he is also one of those people who is quite sceptical of lockdown yet sees the vaccine as the only way out), but I suppose it’s his free choice, if people want it, fine, as long as they don’t force me to have it.

352607 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Cheezilla, #545 of 2382 🔗

Thanks for those links Cheezilla I’ll check them all out.

350940 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #547 of 2382 🔗

I wouldn’t worry too much about people snitching on you..

The drug dealers have moved back in next door.. the housing association forgave them cos they promised to be good.. four neighbors now have cctv cameras pointing right at them.. anyhoo.. they have begun dealing again.. reporting drug deals or covid breaches.. no one comes…

351096 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to chaos, 2, #548 of 2382 🔗

I’m so sorry for you.

350946 TheBigman, 13, #549 of 2382 🔗

I made a complaint to the ISPO about this article


The claim that masks curtail the spread and that the new variant is more easily transmissible are not backed up. This is misleading.

Please complain on https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/complaints-form/

We have to keep the fight up against the Stasi.


350956 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #550 of 2382 🔗

Is this not a good example that the mask fanatics are now on a medieval pre -Enlightment level?


“I’m sure you can point me to a single case report which proved that a (most likely asymptomatic) jogger infected other people outdoors while running by. Otherwise this just seems basic biological illiteracy.


 “To everyone, especially *joggers*. Nobody should be pounding the streets breathing heavily as they pass people without a mask on right now.

351043 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 9, #551 of 2382 🔗

I posted about this last night. She’s a sick individual and heavily motivated by political alligences.

However, aside from that, I got irate because running is my mental break from this. I listen to music while doing my runs through the local forest, and it totally clears my mind for that hour or so. Its so important to my mental well being now that football centres are closed that I would fear for things if the Covid mania closed in on that space too.

But no. This person now wants her irrational fear to take over my essential maintenence of my wellbeing. It’s totally sick.

351269 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #552 of 2382 🔗

What gets me the most is that they are only out walking because there is nothing else to do, but yet its our fault we are trying to get some exercise.

You wouldnt see any of these wonderful human beings if Primark was open…

351089 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #553 of 2382 🔗

Because of a paper that makes this assumption:

The baseline assumptions for the model were that peak infectiousness occurred at the median of symptom onset and that 30% of individuals with infection never develop symptoms and are 75% as infectious as those who do develop symptoms .

Rubbish in, rubbish out.

350960 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #554 of 2382 🔗

This morning I had a visit from the Croissant Police, a sub division of the Covid Police

A neighbour had dobbed me in for eating two croissants instead of the regulation one

After a search they left

The evidence had been disposed of before their arrival

350989 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cecil B, 6, #555 of 2382 🔗

If it had been pain au chocolat you could have been in serious trouble. Did they give you an internal examination or the much feared Post Croissant Reflex test?

350964 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 7, #556 of 2382 🔗

So now that the PANdemic is over, countries reporting no covid deaths, are the rest of them, including the UK keeping the myth running for political reasons? Financial reset of western economies. It looks like delaying tactics now, as the trashing an economy to save people in their 90’s is inconceivable.

350992 ▶▶ Will, replying to DanClarke, 10, #557 of 2382 🔗

The NHS is under pressure because of a combination of bed loss because of social distancing but, most significantly, because so many staff are absent and have been all year because of test and trace. But I think the government are maintaining the myth because lockdown has to be seen to be a success or they have precipitated the worst financial and health crisis in history and have actually made the situation worse than if they had followed a more measured approach. I think there may well be an idiotic green agenda coming but I think the population of the country are so stupid they will cheer lead for it.

351191 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, #558 of 2382 🔗

… and, of course, there is another blame-dodge : the underlying lack of capacity has been the result of political decisions. How much better to blame a virus!

350967 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 4, #559 of 2382 🔗

Latest ONS stats….past 9 weeks deaths in England = 100805….deaths in England first 9 weeks of 2020 = 99431. Not a massive difference is it, given early 2020 we were supposed to not have covid in the country (undoubtedly did). I accept Jan and Feb would normally be higher than Nov and Dec, not slightly lower, but given the Government panic, rules, lockdowns and chaos inflicted, stats do not exactly highlight a need for this situation.

351029 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to John Ballard, 1, #560 of 2382 🔗

But the Covidiots will claim that the LDs work since 2020 is not higher than 2019….that without the diapers etc. the dead would have doubled etc etc. It is an impossible-to-test- hypothesis to state this, and profoundly unscientific, but since when are the Covidiots worried about ‘science’?

351031 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FerdIII, 2, #561 of 2382 🔗

Sweden and Florida are good examples they don’t move the dial very much. Belarus as well.

351048 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John Ballard, 2, #562 of 2382 🔗

Latest ONS all-cause mortality – the last of 2020 – DOWN again – following the late December trend.

And yet the planet of the Living Dead continues to soak up the Armageddon narrative imposed on them by proven hysterics and liars.

350972 RickH, replying to RickH, 19, #563 of 2382 🔗

A couple of comments about this morning’s items ;

Firstly, the admirable David Warburton makes this comment :

Every death, for whatever reason, is tragic and shocking.”

Oh, for fuck’s sake. So life has it’s personal losses, and most of us don’t want to die or lose their loved ones.

But this self-regarding hysteria about the inevitable is so infantile – and has the same result as putting an infant in charge of a car – a disaster. Pathetic! Grow up!

Secondly – the graph of Swedish mortality appears to not be population corrected. This makes a massive difference over time.

350996 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to RickH, 24, #564 of 2382 🔗

I cannot understand how the death of anyone above the age of 85 can be cast as ‘tragic’. Sad, yes, for their families, but ‘tragic’. How do we cast the death of a 35 year-old mum or dad from the inability to receive treatment but for want of a functioning NHS? Are we allowed to call it ‘state-endorsed murder’?

351005 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 21, #565 of 2382 🔗

I’m the same and it has not helped that I saw 17 ,18 and 19 year olds being shot and blown up in front of me. When I came back my philosophy was , live every day to the fullest as you never know when it will be snuffed out. I did not follow this as my mental health had other ideas and for that I feel cheated. But if you make it to 85, you have had an amazing inning and you can now go with a smile on your face.

351231 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #566 of 2382 🔗

Exactly Thomas. One of my grandmothers was 95 when she died in the 90s. She had never been ill in her life, but in final 18 months had to leave her home for a care home as she was suffering increasingly from hardening of the arteries. She had her life altered permanently when young – she was called back from service in London to look after her younger 6 siblings when their mother died. She did not marry until after the youngest had left home and married. That youngest sibling died seven years ago, aged 101, having been in a care home for ten years. The tragedies here were their experiences as young women and children, not their deaths aged 95 and 101. The funerals were great family gatherings for increasingly dispersed cousins, second cousins, great nieces and nephews etc.

351480 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #567 of 2382 🔗

Nowadays, the baby boom generation stand a good chance of getting to 85 having done and seen very little, and hardly struggled. The most cosseted generation in history. Is that really something to be pleased about at 85? I wouldn’t wish what you’ve seen on anyone, but seeking nothing in life but bland idle comfort is surely a tragedy in itself?

I am sure it’s no coincidence that it’s this generation who are now running our institutions and governments, and making such a mess of it.

351021 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, 17, #568 of 2382 🔗

Quite correct; I’m really really fed up with this emoting equation: death = tragedy; it doesn’t in many cases; it’s nature doing what it’s always done and for an elderly incontinent, confused, debilitated individual , it’s a release.

The tragedies are the many thousands of young lives being lost to missed treatments, suicide, stress related illness, violence and neglect.

351058 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to wendyk, 8, #569 of 2382 🔗

Precisely. I am utterly sickened by this saccharine Soap narrative as a substitute for Real Life – the fake empathy that ignores most of the real damage being done.

351106 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, 5, #570 of 2382 🔗

Emoting has been adopted,deliberately, I suspect, as an effective and less costly,alternative to reason, and open rational discourse.

It started with Diana derangement Syndrome and Teflon Blair and has rolled on ever since.


351023 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to RickH, #571 of 2382 🔗

Yep. I would much rather he said “Momento mori” as this is one of the single greatest truths you’ll know.

Funny how Muslims say “Inshallah” which is actually a nod to the unknown in the same way that sailors will say “Neptune willing” or “Poseidon willing”

351183 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, #572 of 2382 🔗

It’s interesting. I’m not sure whether he’s a Hindu, or a Moslem (unlikely to be Bhuddist) in belief, but the most intelligent discussion about cancer that I’ve had with a consultant came from that general non-western philosophical basis.

Western belief systems (particularly Christianity) are essentially too limited and primitive to deal with these fundamental issues well. (And no – this isn’t a wider endorsement of any belief)

351116 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to RickH, #573 of 2382 🔗

I think the Biblical saying was “three score and ten”. Adjust it for modern living and if I can score 80, I’ll settle for that .

350974 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #574 of 2382 🔗

Asymptomatic testing really? Why?
I don’t have any symptoms but will you test me for <insert pathogen of choice>?

350985 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to p02099003, 8, #575 of 2382 🔗

So many of those running this () show, are sick people, in the head. None of it makes sense. Trashing the economy for this means a lot of money for the few or they wouldnt do it.

350986 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to p02099003, 6, #576 of 2382 🔗

They’re losing the plot.

351238 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #577 of 2382 🔗

Yes they are. There are so many lies now I don’t think they can keep up with them any more. The article in the Telegraph about stopping the scapegoating of British citizens by the Government and media is short but to the point. We are being blamed for total incompetence on the part of the Government.

So, if they had a brain cell between them, Johnson and his cabal would now move to lift mask restrictions ans social distancing restrictions giving the British public the opportunity to assess their own risk and what they will do to manage that. They would open non-essential shops etc. But no, because of all the lies, the manufactured hysteria and the industrial levels of propaganda they have no way to back out of this gracefully. Other than to tell the truth.

They are hammering the British public all the time with threats, fear etc but it is not the intelligent way to proceed because people have become increasingly resentful. Let’s face it, Prisoners have more rights than we do at the moment.

They are losing the plot rapidly and are unable to act decently or professionally to reopen the economy to start to build it up. Europe is getting back to normal now with protests in many countries. We are lagging behind with the worst economy in Europe, mass unemployment looming and a total economic breakdown.

The so called ‘opposition’ are hand in glove with the Govt so are worse than useless.

352543 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Jo Dominich, #578 of 2382 🔗

I’ve stopped listening to them, they have started to believe their own bullshit.

351000 ▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 4, #579 of 2382 🔗

So much for protecting the NHS. Screening and testing cost money so they are quite rightly rationed to give maximum benefit. Value for money doesn’t apply to anything covid related.

351004 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to p02099003, 11, #580 of 2382 🔗

Exactly my argument when people inevitably start “oh you can be a lethal spreader and have no idea”. So I ask if they are regularly tested for: typhus, TB, diphtheria, dengue fever, malaria, scarlet fever, yellow fever, rocky mountain fever, ebola, legionnaire’s disease, SARS, MERS, H1N1,…the answer is invariably ‘No of course not that would be silly!’.

351008 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to p02099003, 4, #581 of 2382 🔗

It’s a shakedown by big pharma and giant corporations
Wring what little wealth remained out of the plebs and into their coffers

350990 DThom, replying to DThom, 7, #582 of 2382 🔗

Do they make these decisions just to deliberately annoy us. Wait until people have booked holidays or actually gone to Dubai and then put it on the quarantine list!
I think they did the same with Canaries at the end of last year.

351139 ▶▶ stevie, replying to DThom, 3, #583 of 2382 🔗


350998 kvnmoore561, replying to kvnmoore561, 28, #584 of 2382 🔗

Further to the Sainsbury’s email, I just posted this on their Facebook page (I couldn’t find an email address for their customer services or chief exec.):

I have just received this email from the Sainsbury’s Chief Executive:
“Dear Kevin,
I have spent a lot of time in our stores over the past few days and I need to ask for your help with two key issues to keep you and all my colleagues safe.
When shopping in our stores, you must wear a mask or visor unless you have a medical exemption. And you should also shop on your own. Thank you for your support.
Security guards will support our colleagues at the front of store and will challenge customers who are not wearing masks or who are shopping in groups. I know you’ll understand and support what we are trying to do.
We have also significantly reduced the number of customers allowed in our stores at any one time to ensure social distancing is maintained at all times.
Together, these steps will go a long way to keep everyone safe, whether you are shopping or working with us.
Please wear a mask or visor and please shop alone in our stores. Thank you for helping us to keep everyone safe.
Best wishes
I would like to draw your Chief Executive’s attention to the government’s own guidance concerning face coverings:
https://www.gov.uk/ …/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one…
This guidance clearly states the following:
“When you do not need to wear a face covering
In settings where face coverings are required in England there are some circumstances where people may not be able to wear a face covering.
Please be mindful and respectful of such circumstances. Some people are less able to wear face coverings, and the reasons for this may not be visible to others.
This includes (but is not limited to):
children under the age of 11 (Public Health England does not recommend face coverings for children under the age of 3 for health and safety reasons)
people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability
where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress
if you are speaking to or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expressions to communicate
to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others ‒ including if it would negatively impact on your ability to exercise or participate in a strenuous activity
police officers and other emergency workers, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public”
“Exemption cards
If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:
you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
you do not need show an exemption card
This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.
However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.
Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.
If you wish to use an exemption card or badge, you can download exemption card templates. You can then print these yourself or show them on a mobile device. Please note that the government is not able to provide physical exemption cards or badges.”
By stating, “Security guards will support our colleagues at the front of store and will challenge customers who are not wearing masks or who are shopping in groups.”, you are demonstrating that you are not being “mindful and respectful of” circumstances surrounding exemptions. You also appear to be going beyond the law and the guidelines. Shoppers should not feel intimidated by members of staff (and members of staff should not have to be placed in the awkward position of ‘challenging’ customers) or other customers simply because they are not wearing a face covering, the efficacy of which is highly debatable anyway.
I am appalled that Sainsbury’s is advocating challenging customers who enter their stores, this is tantamount to discrimination against those who do not wear a face covering.
Please respectfully retract this statement.

351027 ▶▶ iane, replying to kvnmoore561, 6, #585 of 2382 🔗

Well done – it is time the top bosses address the Law and not the Fear!

351003 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 32, #586 of 2382 🔗

Morrison’s ban on bare faced customers: having despondently absorbed this latest piece of agit-prop, I decided to do an early morning expedition to test the likely outcome.

Lanyard waved at security guard; no probs; did my usual, stocked up on basics to reduce future visits, donated to food bank and animal shelter as usual, used self service till as usual, greeted a couple of the staff and the mad lady who wanders round every morning, waved my lanyard at the guard as I left and went home.

This nonsense needs to stop, now!

The lunatics who keep on keeping on with the heavy manners are now stuck up the covid blind alley, while we pay the price.

Once more, the MSM is whipping up the fear and pushing the panic meter into the red zone.

These criminals are addicted to control creepery , propaganda and censorship.Their shrill condemnations of public attempts to relax a little and indulge in some normal healthy behaviour ,reveals their fear and rigid adherence to the busted flush of lockdownism.

As we all know, this formula has been eagerly adopted over the centuries and it won’t end well.

Finally, a thoroughly patronising email from CEO of Sainsbury’s advising on his difficult decision to tighten the restrictions so as to ensure that customers- masked and alone- and staff, stay safe while the new variant does its best to infect us all with terminal covid psychosis.

Into the delete bin. I’m not allowed to travel to the nearest branch in any case, as it’s in the neighbouring county.

When will these affluent irritants get over themselves and take advice from the many many experts, including clinicians, who would offer a sensible way out of this awful mess?

351098 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 9, #587 of 2382 🔗

It’s all to get a reaction and spread fear and have people policing each other.


351006 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 16, #588 of 2382 🔗

Leftists; discriminating against a disability you are a Nazi!


Once the govt feels it can dictate what you wear it won’t stop there.

First a mask, then a jag, then food rationing, not leaving the house unless escorted…you get the picture. 1984 was not fiction. Wake up!

351020 ▶▶ iane, replying to TheBigman, 6, #589 of 2382 🔗

Well, if they will give me a jag free, I won’t feel quite so bad!

351040 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to iane, 7, #590 of 2382 🔗

maybe the Pfizer vaccine should be called a “Prescott”.. because it needs two jags.

352552 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to iane, #591 of 2382 🔗

F Pace please!

351081 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TheBigman, 1, #592 of 2382 🔗

Does that mean we get one last despairing love affair? Not all bad news.

351007 CrazyHoarse, 28, #593 of 2382 🔗

I’ve had to declare that I’m exempt five times in total – once in Tesco, twice in train stations, and twice in restaurants – and each time the person asking me said nothing other than “okay”.

So on the one hand I’m tempted to simply not shop at Morrisons and Sainsburys but on the other hand I value the convenience and I’ll be damned if I’m going to change my behaviour to suit the cretins who now want to post “trained” staff at the doors. Alright lads time for your rigorous training, repeat after me “you can’t shop here without a mask . . . oh okay I see you’re exempt”. Your training is now complete.

The other reasons I’m not going to stop shopping at these shops is that the reason these moronic rules came in in the first place is because so many people tolerated the previous restrictions, and I also feel like my unburdened face is like an advert – it says look at me everybody I’m acting normal and you can too.

Also, sod wearing a lanyard. I refuse to wear something around my neck declaring that I won’t wear something on my face.

351014 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 23, #594 of 2382 🔗


Pressure increasing further on Drosten’s PCR test. McKernan group publishing an addendum with 20 scientific publications why the PCR test is deficient and Drosten’s paper should be retracted.

351017 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 7, #595 of 2382 🔗

It’s taking an incredible amount of time. Eurosurveillance probably hoping it goes away.

351032 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, 6, #596 of 2382 🔗

And Ferguson is up to his neck in it…

351461 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to swedenborg, #597 of 2382 🔗

Go go go!

351015 mhcp, 24, #598 of 2382 🔗

I suspect when the mainland European countries really push back, as it seems is starting, us in Britain will stubbornly punish ourselves and continue this farce because that is what we do. We cannot be seen to have been idiots even though it’s glaringly obvious that we are.

351019 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 33, #599 of 2382 🔗


A police officer writes: Trust in the police is now circling the drain. Anti-lockdown protesters, are made up of a diverse cross-section of the general law-abiding public .. have been met with almost immediate aggression and violence from the police

351332 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Andrew K, 4, #600 of 2382 🔗

I liked that letter, it is on the UK Column website. Excerpt below, but worth reading in full – shame, don’t think this officer will last long in the police.

How an organisation that depends on thorough investigation and collation of evidence, and whose founding idea is the protection of the public, cannot see this is astounding. Senior officers and chief constables across the country are simply following the government diktats without question, or at least so it seems. Certainly, from my position within the police service, I have seen nothing to suggest that we are properly upholding the oath we all make, and carrying out the duty we have to uphold human rights with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, according equal respect to all.

351026 BeBopRockSteady, 2, #601 of 2382 🔗

Anyone any updates on how the Reiner Fullmich case in Germany has progressed?

351033 TheBluePill, 10, #602 of 2382 🔗

Protests in the Prague, with serious political backing including a former president. They want all restrictions ended when the state of emergency ends on 22nd Jan. Also lots of support against the stolen US election, which is clearly linked to the scamdemic.


351034 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 15, #603 of 2382 🔗

This frantic search to identify people who aren’t “following the rules” is surely an exercise in scapegoating?

Do government minsters really believe if 100% of customers had worn masks in supermarkets rather than 99% it would have made that much difference?

In all the indoor locations one is likely to pick up the virus surely supermarkets must be the least likely location – except for single occupancy households.

The restrictions haven’t worked so someone has to be found to blame.

And what puzzles me if this:-

All those graphs of doom shown at the end of October? – even the least scary one so far has been out by a factor of two. So why isn’t there provision half the level it was thought there might be?

What level was it thought could be coped with? – zero?

351049 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #604 of 2382 🔗

While they tell us to Protect the NHS, the NHS has been spreading Covid, as it always does, MRSA, C-Diff. My uncle’s GP sent a nurse to his house as he said my uncle was too vulnerable to go to hospital.

351052 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 5, #605 of 2382 🔗

Exactly. And shows also that all the anti-bac crap doesn’t work.

351083 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to DanClarke, 2, #606 of 2382 🔗

Good GP

351065 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #607 of 2382 🔗

Someone did some incisive analysis and established that a common link with people testing +ve was that they had all been to a supermarket (because that is where food comes from) therefore that was where the virus was coming from. Next they will work out that everyone testing +ve had drunk tea or coffee and that must be where the virus is coming from.

351084 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #608 of 2382 🔗

Like the old ‘suncream causes snakebites’ fallacy

Warm weather being the missing link…

351132 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #609 of 2382 🔗

If supermarkets are a conduit for contracting the virus it must be through people touching things – not breathing..

On one of my earliest visits to a supermarket on my return to Blighty four months agoI watched a very old man, yea older than me sen, pick up every tomatoe on display to give them a slight squeeze before judiciously deciding which ones to buy. Of course he was wearing a mask.

351079 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #610 of 2382 🔗

Of course it is. Nothing to do with failed track and trace, incompetence etc. etc.

It’s all because we’ve been naughty.

The good news is there’s nothing you can do when a population loses its will to fight (or should I say comply).

The government is in a race against time to get the vaccinations done before the NHS collapses and public will collapses. I don’t fancy their chances…

351113 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ned of the Hills, 8, #611 of 2382 🔗

What is ignored is the simple fact that we have nine months of real data about the phantom virus. The GBP (Great British Public) is notably stupid in actually clocking this fact – and its implications.

Of course – anybody who is actually conscious (instead of just faking it) would be aware that there is NO evidence of supermarkets being a major vector of infection, given that they have remained open since March.

352635 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to RickH, #612 of 2382 🔗

Plus the fact that the only place people CAN go is the supermarket. Therefore they assume it must be that. Cretins.

351036 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #613 of 2382 🔗

As has been mentioned earlier, latest ONS death figures out for last week of 2020, total of 10,069 quite low for a winter with respiratory disease around.
Of these 3144 are reported as having covid on the death cert, again pretty unremarkable.

I did then look at the death data on the Government/NHS dashboard, totalling the death figures reported there for the same week for England & Wales I got a total of 4274.
That is 1130 more than the ONS official total.
So the Government/NHS death figures that are used to scare us all are reporting 35% more deaths than the ONS oifficial list of registered deaths!
Can anyone explain what is going on?
Perhaps it is a a question for Carl Heneghan?

351063 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #614 of 2382 🔗

Maybe ONS not received the memo that under ‘Covid Regulations’ you can die more than once!

351066 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #615 of 2382 🔗

I did a lot of analysis and had the same results as yourself (5 years of data – every year same issue). I am in IT – so the issue is that the data sets are manually manipulated, there is no end-to-end process of data validation. I can see this in the produced csv’s. In one case (dementia) the data provided was completely erroneous vs actual deaths tracked by dementia orgs in the UK. In other cases I can see that they have (post week 18 in 2020), moved flu-pneu-resp deaths (a certain percentage as applied by their FluMoMo algorithm) into CV 19 ‘official stats’. No info was provided under FOI on this algo.

The data sets are often broken down into subsets, but I noticed that these smaller data sets do not add up to the Master. The ONS collects data from many NHS agencies and their aggregation and validation processes are probably quite broken (as they are in many private corps) and even under FOI they won’t tell me how they compile the ‘official’ numbers which often do NOT correspond to the NHS numbers (which do include all places of death, hospitals, care homes etc). Then you can dive into the MCCD and changes made to that process, which is now subjective. MCCD is the source data – no access to that of course.

Bottom line: The process is broken.

351078 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to FerdIII, 2, #616 of 2382 🔗

But I am guessing that the overall figure of total registered deaths is definitive?

351088 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #617 of 2382 🔗

Yes – the ONS, in the ‘all-cause’ figures provides the most reliable indicator over time. All the rest is speculation.

351077 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Steve Martindale, #618 of 2382 🔗

Week to 1 jan 2021, 10,069 deaths total. Week to 3 jan 2020, 12,254. Hmmm….

351037 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 23, #619 of 2382 🔗

MSM has gone strangely quiet about what’s happening in the rest of the world concerning anti lockdown feeling and protests?
I assume that the truth isn’t fitting the narrative.

351074 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #620 of 2382 🔗

They are also quiet on the fact that covid has not really led to exception increase in all cause mortality anywhere

351082 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #621 of 2382 🔗

… and particularly here. The bit of ‘The Science’ they don’t like, and pass over in favour of hysterical fiction.

351319 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip, #622 of 2382 🔗

Even Belarus and Russia have fallen off the radar given there’s no Lockdown there.

Was looking at the Mariinsky Theatre website to see what concerts they had available for streaming and I can only look on in envy at them taking bookings for live productions from this week.

351038 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #623 of 2382 🔗

Israel.Vaccinated most in the world 20%. Still “cases” rising. Jury is still out whether vaccine will add to herd immunity but the vaccines are not proven effective against transmission.

351072 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 1, #624 of 2382 🔗

Or the testing they are doing is inaccurate

IMO the most important measure is whether the vaccine reduces death and serious illness where covid is the main cause of said death/illness – a confirmed positive test with definite covid symptoms

351076 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #625 of 2382 🔗

I think there should be a restraint on this site of posting the fake PCR ‘case’ data except to illustrate its fakery.

351092 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, #626 of 2382 🔗

The results aren’t useful in the absolute sense, but in the context of the vaccine, these rising ‘cases’ can be useful to show that something is very wrong with the narrative: either that the tests don’t work or the vaccines don’t – pick your poison.

351293 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to RickH, 3, #627 of 2382 🔗

There is always a use in “bad” data if it is done consistently and over time.Let us assume that 90% of tests are noise, old inf or false positive. If they are testing the same amount (which I think they have been doing in Israel) these “false” data will add up to useful indication in time showing the winter peak. Don’t think we should stop using the data based on PCR results i.e. the masks are constantly showing to be of no use having these presentations. Mass testing and PCR should be reduced abolished in community testing and LFT used but why shouldn’t we use clear data in time showing the uselessness of SD and masks? They are not false and useful in the anti message to the public.

351115 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to swedenborg, 1, #628 of 2382 🔗

Glorified lemsip that makes you poorlier initially.

351039 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 16, #629 of 2382 🔗

I wonder if I can find 5 people who would be mad enough to help start this petition?

Answer: probably.
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351041 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #630 of 2382 🔗

You could probably find 50 000.

351069 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #631 of 2382 🔗

42 million.

351050 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #632 of 2382 🔗

Sorry to be the pedant but it is “metres” and “martial law”.

351080 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #633 of 2382 🔗

Caught me out, I can’t spell metre…

But I actually meant “marshal law” – everyone will need amplifiers to communicate with each other at that distance

351100 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #634 of 2382 🔗

nice try – but Marshall amps is double LL

351114 ▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to mj, 1, #635 of 2382 🔗

Oh well – they’re all made in China now anyway

351150 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #636 of 2382 🔗


351068 ▶▶ peter-, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #637 of 2382 🔗

The people who would sign the petition will be the same people heading out on a daily basis to make sure everyone is following their rule.

351090 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #638 of 2382 🔗

As viruses are found in the upper atmosphere, at the bottom of oceans and in ice cores thousands of years old. I think the social distancing should be at least 1000 miles and face masks compulsory even in bed.

351112 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #639 of 2382 🔗

You’d get the five people – but they wouldn’t allow it.

351046 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #640 of 2382 🔗


Picture of EU flag flying at holyrood on link.

Holyrood still flying EU flag as pointed out previously. Are there not conservative msps or labour greens lib dems who want to actually insist on a certain standard of professionalism fronn the creeps in the scottish civil service? Snp clearly want the flag flying. Toy parliament.

351059 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Basics, 10, #641 of 2382 🔗

“Wee pretendy parliament.”

Billy Connolly

351085 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, 4, #642 of 2382 🔗

Yeah, I walked past there last Tuesday when I was up in Edinburgh after I read you saying it was still up. Disgraceful, and it shows how the SNP view the democratic process. They are toxic and the worst of the Scottish psyche manifested in the world.

351104 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to jb12, #643 of 2382 🔗

Good to know you are going the extra mile to check out what I say! Did you venture up to the mafia chambers opposite st giles to see the Union Flag flying below the EU flag?

To relate this off topic flag chat back to lockdown – or did you pop along princes street to witness the 15+ newly installed during lockdown Council logo flags flying to change the public realm we were used to pre scamdemic?

Swinney has now attached scottish independence referendum to the recovery from lockdowning the economy to death. He has said independence is vital to help scotland recovery. Tedious, nauseating, etc. However the tendrils of lockdown and fraud have been used to political advantage of ssnp throughout. It’s not credible to suggest it hasn’t.

351594 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, #644 of 2382 🔗

No, fortunately I stayed around the Meadows and Arthur’s Seat.

No, and it is obvious to all that the SNP have tried to use this as a way to achieve independence; but, as I said, they are the very worst of the Scottish psyche manifested and amongst many there is an ‘independence at all costs’ sort of mentality.

351203 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Basics, #645 of 2382 🔗
351051 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 21, #646 of 2382 🔗

Still don’t know anyone in my immediate or extended friend/family circle that have caught this phantom virus, however, I do know someone that has killed himself during lockdown. Like the story above, he was a very popular person, but difference being that he was only 21.

351097 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to J4mes, 7, #647 of 2382 🔗

A school friend of mine killed himself back in May aged 37 due to lockdown.

351054 mj, replying to mj, 40, #648 of 2382 🔗

Just seen this on linked in – posted by Alex Mahon the CEO of Channel4

“I talked to Channel 4’s team today.

We are all suffering from pandemic fatigue, in an extended vacuum wondering where our real lives went. It is hard to find much enthusiasm for anything.
Working in isolation is ineffective, lonely and breeds anxiety.

To get through this 3rd time, we have to rely on stamina, and accept the boredom and frustration. We must recognise our stresses and manage them, recognise our anxiety and calm ourselves. Accept that for now there are a lot of things we can neither control or change.

We must take time away from the relentlessness of remote tinny screen meetings. There are two big time blocks that we are going to set company wide as meeting free for everyone. Time not to schedule things. Time to think, breathe, catch-up.

From now on we will have an all C4 lunch break daily 12:30 – 2pm. And we will stick company wide to Meeting Free Fridays.
We still have important work to do to get ready for the rebound. How we get the essential bits of work done doesn’t matter, that we identify the important things, and we achieve them, matters immensely.

We all need to look out for each other. If you have capacity to support someone who you know is struggling, offer your help.

This bit will end.”

Well, maybe if C4 news didn’t consist of so much covid scaremongering intended to perpetuate the lockdown you wouldnt be in this situation. Dickhead.

351062 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to mj, 4, #649 of 2382 🔗

It wouldn’t be so bad if the majority even knew someone who had had it, and not those who just tested positive

351071 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to mj, 3, #650 of 2382 🔗

My heart bleeds …

351075 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to mj, 4, #651 of 2382 🔗

It’s not a bad message from a CEO, and I can identify with the firm-wide weariness at my own firm.

But yes, most media have failed to challenge and so must frame themselves as stoic victims of circumstance.

351093 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to mj, 9, #652 of 2382 🔗

They can fuck off !

351317 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mj, 2, #653 of 2382 🔗

Great message. Sadly since people were forced to work from home in some areas like financial services it resulted in back-to-back telephone calls for the whole working day – some calls have more than 40 people attending. This is unproductive, unsustainable and bad management/leadership. The only way to fix this scenario is for top management to manage this (as above).

Some reasons for this to happen:

  • Cant walk to someones desk and have a quick chat and sort it – need to book a phone meeting
  • Some people feel exposed and ‘create’ work for other
351472 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to mj, 2, #654 of 2382 🔗

Exactly, his institution has blood on it’s hands. He probably hasn’t put two and two together and come to the conclusion that it’s the MSM that is responsible for this mess. If the MSM wasn’t on the government’s side we wouldn’t be in lockdown, simple as that!

351056 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 24, #655 of 2382 🔗

Just been on Twitter to support David Warburton. Vote in support of him against LD is running at 92%.

351111 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to maggie may, 4, #656 of 2382 🔗

Of course that means elections will be delayed further in Spring.

351323 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to maggie may, #657 of 2382 🔗

Did that too. Glad he’s getting good support.

351453 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to maggie may, #658 of 2382 🔗

Not on Twitter but emailed my support this morning.

351070 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 17, #659 of 2382 🔗

“The PCR test should be trashed immediately, worldwide, and it should be considered a criminal act for anyone to be sent to quarantine because this test was positive”

Says Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, one of the most cited research scientists in German history . . .

Please share





GAB.COM is impressive

351133 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 5, #660 of 2382 🔗

Gab Seems to be working better when the yanks are asleep

351187 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #661 of 2382 🔗

Like the bad old early internet days, quite nostalgic.

Dissenter browser seems fine so far. Seamless transition from Firefox.

351290 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #662 of 2382 🔗

The founder and CEO of FF, Brendan Eich, was constructively dismissed in 2014 after making a private, personal donation to a campaign to prohibit same-sex marriage in California. Having been thus defenestrated, he founded Brave Software. Brave browser is excellent- light on your CPU and generally acknowledged to be the most secure browser currently available. I use it myself- y’all may care to check it out.
Am currently trying to install Waterfox as a non-chromium alternative to Wokefox, but I’m having problems- every other extension I try to install either won’t install at all or is held up by “security” issues which weren’t there when I last tried Waterfox out last year. Anybody else finding this?

351583 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #663 of 2382 🔗

Dissenter is a fork of Brave with all the nonsense stripped out. it is much much faster and gives you instant access to Gab

351582 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #664 of 2382 🔗

Been using Dissenter for a while- it is awaiting an update as mine doesn’t seem to block youtube adds any more
had to add a manual one from chrome store
other than that – plugged straight into Gab

351073 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 17, #665 of 2382 🔗

You cannot stop or SD away a highly contagious respiratory virus. But you can ruin your economy in a meaning less struggle. These three states very populous different approaches, same destination.


“Sadly we all got there in different ways. Some kept schools open and some closed. Some kept businesses open and some shut them down. Some required masks and some didn’t. We all get there. The difference is whether we chose to also add economic and social devastation to the cost

351287 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to swedenborg, 1, #666 of 2382 🔗

I blame all the people who lost their minds and set zero deaths as a target.

351086 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 12, #667 of 2382 🔗

“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”

― Abraham Lincoln

Abe wasn’t quite right was he. What he should have said was:

“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but trying to convince them that they have been fooled is impossible.

351142 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Old Bill, 4, #668 of 2382 🔗

The government can fool enough of the people, enough of the time. And that’s all they need.

351087 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 27, #669 of 2382 🔗

All the hysteria over these letters being sent out by supermarkets.

It is just a box ticking exercise. SAGE tells Hancock he has to do something because the supermarkets aren’t doing their bit to keep up the paranoia levels. People are acting as if things are normal when they go shopping. Hancock writes to supermarkets, telling them that unless they tighten up, he will impose further sanctions like stopping them certain items (like alcohol). Supermarkets start putting up notices, sending letters. Hancock happy, SAGE happy. Press happier because they can continue spreading their own brand of paranoia,

But what REALLY has changed. Are the “rules” actually any different from what was in place from July of last year. The real answer is no.

351094 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Richy_m_99, 16, #670 of 2382 🔗

I think they want to see queues outside supermarkets to ramp up the panic.

351105 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to stevie, 6, #671 of 2382 🔗

Maybe, but do you really this the bosses of the supermarkets really want to be pissing off their customers that much.

351147 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stevie, 8, #672 of 2382 🔗

They fabricated a lot of those queues in March-June by closing many of the tills. Exponential queuing then suddenly they were all gone all over the country at the same time.

351154 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to stevie, 4, #673 of 2382 🔗

Find a store locally that isn’t corrupted by the maskochists

351309 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to stevie, 1, #674 of 2382 🔗

if possible and get online delivery

will NOT stand in a supermarket queque again

351107 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #675 of 2382 🔗

The alcohol ban will come, make no mistake. Part of the insidious Prohibitionist cult that has already infected Scotland and Wales.

351117 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to eastender53, 10, #676 of 2382 🔗

There’s been a concerted effort to rid the country of pubs even before the lockdown crime started. Pubs bring people together, they’re community and they are our culture. Pubs will be well and truly killed off by the government and removing alcohol from shops will prevent people from being tempted to gather in their homes for a tipple together.

Its all about breaking us as a people.

351144 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to J4mes, 5, #677 of 2382 🔗

It is an assault on the working class.
Pure and simple

351303 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to J4mes, 1, #678 of 2382 🔗

it is to make sure that most small businesses are closed – we will then only have the option to buy from big business.

Look at Bill G snapping up a jet company at a much reduced price (due to draconian lockdown measures).

Once job losses sink in / after furlough many people will be forced to sell their possession such as houses, cars and others. The people with money will be able to snap up these bargains

351141 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to eastender53, 1, #679 of 2382 🔗

I welcome the acceleration
it is the one thing that will see the Rapists Dad launched headfirst into the Taff

351254 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to eastender53, 2, #680 of 2382 🔗

I think the supermarkets might see their income dropping dramatically it that happened – especially at the moment. That might be the only thing to help stop it happening in England. Wouldn’t help the pubs of course though.

351292 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to eastender53, 3, #681 of 2382 🔗

That will be great as it will result in the masses standing up to this madness for the first time. Bring it on

351305 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Victoria, 2, #682 of 2382 🔗

That’s why I’d be a bit surprised if it happens. Same reason they’re desperate to keep Premiership football limping along. Keep ’em shitfaced and give ’em circuses.

351129 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richy_m_99, #683 of 2382 🔗

I’ve been into a large co op this morning, same old smudged out floor arrows, no sanitizer, people wandering around at random but all masked.

351091 rose, replying to rose, 7, #684 of 2382 🔗
351099 ▶▶ iane, replying to rose, 4, #685 of 2382 🔗

Jeepers, that IS scary! Cyanide next?

351102 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to rose, 3, #686 of 2382 🔗

It has been claimed that fluoride – found in many antidepressants – has the same effect.

351119 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #687 of 2382 🔗

I think it was Awkward Git back in the summer who suggested a link with fluoride in the water being one of the reasons that the masses were so compliant. (Sorry, AG, if not you).

351278 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #688 of 2382 🔗

The main fluoride chemical added to water today is hydrofluorosilicic acid an industrial by-product from the phosphate fertilizer industry.

This is extremely bad for health: cancer, neurotoxin, dental fluorosis (permanent damage to children teeth), skeletal fluorosis in adults, etc


351315 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Victoria, 4, #689 of 2382 🔗

I’m a dentist, and I’ve always been opposed to fluoridation of the water supply. Told my patients so. For reasons which now at last seem to be revealing themselves- thin end, thick wedge.

351108 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to rose, 5, #690 of 2382 🔗

Appalling. I recall this being one of the cocktail of drugs my mum was given back in the 80s. I just looked it up and found this on the NHS website:

We do not really know exactly how lithium works for mental health conditions, though we do know it’s very effective.

No, it’s effing not.

351121 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to kh1485, 2, #691 of 2382 🔗

It is for some. But that is no basis for general prescription.

351699 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to RickH, 1, #692 of 2382 🔗

Its excellent for seeing in the dark. Its the main ingredient in most modern batteries

351130 ▶▶ mj, replying to rose, 2, #693 of 2382 🔗

lithium salts are specifically prescribed for bi-polar disorders and severe manic depression and not for day to day depression and lockdown induced conditions.
I once had a bi-polar friend who took lithium on daily basis to mitigate the effects of the condition

351157 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to mj, 3, #694 of 2382 🔗

My mum had neither of those things. The way they experimented on her was nothing short of criminal.

351169 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to rose, 6, #695 of 2382 🔗

Who are these idiots. Lithium causes major kidney and liver failure after a few years of use. The yes, exponential rise in suicide rates, is due to Lockdown, social isolation, poverty, loss of homes etc. What the bleeding hell has Lithium in water got to do with anything. Lift the Lockdowns and social isolation do not put a psychotropic drug into drinking water.

351265 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to rose, #696 of 2382 🔗

How stupid to recommend any substance to be added to drinking water, that is in fact an act of forcing the whole population onto medication!!!!

Low dose Lithium is highly recommended (not the pharmaceutical version). Also Ashwagandha and Magnesium and eliminate sugars

351103 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 17, #697 of 2382 🔗

Dimcock says categorically ‘ Remember one in three people who have the virus don’t know they have it because they have no symptoms and yet still pass it on.”

Stupidly I still prefer facts over fabrication. As far as I know the jury on asymptomatic transmission is still out but is apparently 11-1 against. Certainly there is no evidence of 30%. Pre symptomatic May occur but again not in these numbers.

Why does no one challenge these statements?

One other point. An article today makes it clear the NHS is currently banning treatments in private hospitals because of cost. Money over Lives? I though that was our rap?

351110 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to eastender53, 8, #698 of 2382 🔗

I’ve submitted an FoI to the NHS to substantiate this claim in their advertising (propaganda)
The 20 days should be up next week so will be interesting to see how they wriggle out of it.

351120 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to eastender53, 5, #699 of 2382 🔗

One of the scary things about mutant Covid is that you can have it but not know it = superspreader.

One of the features of the Pfizer vaccine is that it stops you getting symptoms but not from being ill = Worldbeater in defeating the virus.

Both outcomes look much the same to me but then I’m not an epidemiologist.

351163 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to karenovirus, 12, #700 of 2382 🔗

I am clear about this, there is no such thing as asymptomatic transmission. If you haven’t got symptoms then you haven’t got it. WHO say there is not one incident around the world where asymptomatic transmission has occurred. No other country in the world is pursuing this line it’s peculiar to here. They are so desperate to keep the numbers up they will pursue anything.

351252 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #701 of 2382 🔗


351270 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jo Dominich, #702 of 2382 🔗

Sorry, should have put line one in quotation marks, it was said by one of the daily briefing gang.

351818 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Jo Dominich, #703 of 2382 🔗

And begs the question how the one asymptomatic transmission case was verified for a virus which has never been isolated and presumably involving a PCR test. Whilst it may not be the same case, Reiner Fuellmich has explained how Christian Drosten misled the world by claiming an asymptomatic carrier from China was the first to bring the virus to Germany. According to Fuellmich it transpired subsequently that the woman was taking flu medication at the time of her arrival in Germany so presumably could hardly be described as asymptomatic.


351123 ▶▶ Kat, replying to eastender53, 7, #704 of 2382 🔗

My niece who is a cancer nurse in a private hospital had to phone 16 cancer patients to tel them their operations had been cancelled. This was two months ago.

351131 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Kat, 5, #705 of 2382 🔗

Well it wont be a problem for much longer , as they will be dead.

351155 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Kat, 4, #706 of 2382 🔗

16 extra “covid” deaths more like

351158 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to eastender53, 11, #707 of 2382 🔗

Well, currently the NHS are taking £200bn per year. It is, apart from the USA, the most expensive and poor performing health service in the world. We know hospitals are not over-run with CV-19 patients, the data tells us that, so, where is this £200m going. They aren’t treating cancer patients, stroke and heart disease patients, have cancelled all diagnostic services and things like diabetes are going undiagnosed and untreated. I must assume therefore, that it is going on developing more tiers and tiers of highly paid managers to manage all of this who, are working from home I believe and should have been furloughed.

We know they have staff shortages because they can’t manage their own HR properly. We know from videos of empty hospitals that there are more of these than are full, we know that 25% of all CV-19 is acquired in hospital for people that were covid free, admitted to hospital for treatment and then got it in hospital. We know that many A&E departments are empty or barely populated. So, £200bn of public money and still can’t manage winter pressures. WTF? They must be able to afford treatments in private hospitals because I can’t see where the money is going otherwise. We have the lowest numbers of acute beds in the developed world, we have the lowest number of Doctors, Nurses and other medical staff on the front line than the developed world. I for one, would like an explanation of how this money is being spent.

351274 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jo Dominich, 3, #708 of 2382 🔗

Were NHS Trusts not relieved of all debt at the beginning of lockdown, perhaps that’s where it is going?

351326 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Jo Dominich, 5, #709 of 2382 🔗

Agree. And for a health service that is apparently the ‘envy of the world’ there seems little appetite for other countries to replicate the model.

It should surely be evident to anyone that it needs a complete overhaul, but whenever you suggest this you get the stock response “oh, so you want an American health system do you?” No, but one along the lines that (I think) Tim Bidie suggested recently would be a start – as they have in Germany and the Netherlands (two countries I have received exemplary health care in).

351109 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 8, #710 of 2382 🔗

“Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel”
Samuel Johnson 1775.

BBC R4 Womans Hour just introduced an item about the 25% of women aged 18-30 who are averse to taking the vaccine because of fears about fertility by saying it was their Patriotic Duty to do so.

One of the guests suggested it, the presenter was clearly embarrassed by the word Patriotism but eventually it was agreed that it was so.

351126 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 6, #711 of 2382 🔗

Like getting a bullet through your fucking head – for Queen and country. Complete horse shit, obviously.

351267 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #712 of 2382 🔗

I took it to mean they have completely run out of arguments thus finding themselves having to use nasty old Patriotism as their last resort.

351331 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to karenovirus, 1, #713 of 2382 🔗

I wonder what the 21st century equivalent is of a white feather? From what Karen said abour the article, we may soon find out.

351172 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to karenovirus, 1, #714 of 2382 🔗

As long as they sterilize the Mohammedins I will take that as a win

351194 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to karenovirus, 4, #715 of 2382 🔗

did they mean it was their ‘patriotic duty’ to reproduce, or to refrain from reproduction? either way, fucking idiots

351448 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to karenovirus, 1, #716 of 2382 🔗

Can you write in and tell them what a load of horseshoe? Good thing I am not a patriot then.

351124 Darryl, 20, #717 of 2382 🔗

Regarding suicides and mental health problems caused by the government lockdowns – I can guarantee the 2 institutions which will be at the front of the queue to offer ‘help’ are the ones most guilty of causing the problems in the first place the State and the BBC.

Same old tactics of breaking down people mentally so you can rebuild them in your own vision as good globalist slaves.

351134 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 16, #718 of 2382 🔗

From the BBC……

BREAKING Worst excess deaths in the UK since WW2 Last year saw the largest increase in deaths in a single year in more than 70 years, according to provisional figures from the Office for National Statistics.
In 2020, nearly 697,000 deaths were registered, compared with an average of nearly 606,000 each year between 2015 and 2019.
This is the largest increase, or “excess”, in a single year since 1940.
It is likely to return death rates in the UK to levels last seen in the mid-2000s.”

Where are they getting their numbers from?

From here (and if you add up the weekly count of course)


You get 614,114 which is only 8,000 more than the BBC average.

Am I missing something? It cant just be an outright lie by the BBC can it? If s who do we complain to?

351143 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 1, #719 of 2382 🔗

The BBC have a fact checking team …

351266 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Andy Riley, 5, #720 of 2382 🔗

Yes. They like to pull facts out of thin air, when they’re not busy trying to have sex with children.

351149 ▶▶ Julian, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 2, #721 of 2382 🔗

Have they adjusted for population?

351151 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to The Rule of Pricks, #722 of 2382 🔗

There’s Offcom, but I expect it’s full of BBC clones.

351159 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 9, #723 of 2382 🔗

“This is the largest increase, or “excess”, in a single year since 1940.”

‘Largest increase’, ‘excess’ – these are two different things.

I suspect that what they mean is the largest ‘increase’ from one year to another – ie from 2019 to 2020.

‘Excess deaths’ is something different.

What they are doing is what they have been doing all along – presenting statistics in the most alarming way possible, while at the same time conflating ‘excess deaths’ with ‘increase in deaths’ from one year to another.

Excess deaths are of course to be expected if tens of thousands of patients are suddenly expelled from hospitals to care homes.

351216 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to rockoman, 4, #724 of 2382 🔗

Equivocation has been used consistently by the carriers of this narrative. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/12/coronavirus-equivocation.html
The systematic resort to this propagandist trick clearly reveals their dishonesty. They would be well advised to review the Nuremberg Tribunal trial of Julius Streicher, who was found guilty of crimes against humanity for his journalism, which the Tribunal deemed to be dishonest propaganda.

351306 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to rockoman, 3, #725 of 2382 🔗

2019 was a soft year for deaths so this isn’t at all suprising.

352127 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Chicot, #726 of 2382 🔗

It wasn’t. In order from 2010-2020 year, weeks and total

2010 52 493,166
2011 52 484,391
2012 52 496,616
2013 52 503,665
2014 52 497,700
2015 53 539,007
2016 52 524,474
2017 52 533,125
2018 52 539,340
2019 52 527,234
2020 53 614,114

351179 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 2, #727 of 2382 🔗

How many died at home from lack of access – 45.000? A big part of any increase (and it not as large as they state if you use the ONS csv files) are from those who died at home.

351206 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 7, #728 of 2382 🔗

largest increase in deaths in a single year

This is just a meaningless statistic. If you had the largest *fall* in deaths one year, and the next year deaths went back up to what they had been beforehand, you’d have the largest increase in deaths in a single year “. So what?

351218 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 5, #729 of 2382 🔗

I don’t believe the 2020 numbers. Officially, as of Nov 13th 2020 there were ‘ Using the Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional , as at week 46 (13th November 2020) 529,928 registered deaths in England and Wales’

This is the same # I have from their data sets in my own analysis.

So between Nov 13th and Dec 31rst – 48 days – they are saying 160.000 died? That is an average of 3333 per day? That did not happen did it?

So they lie…..?

351333 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to The Rule of Pricks, #730 of 2382 🔗

The ONS are the official stats agency for England & Wales but do then sometimes add in Scotland & N.Ireland to give a UK figure. Can we confirm are they talking about just E&W stats or are they attempting to put together a figure for the whole of the UK?

351334 ▶▶ RickH, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 4, #731 of 2382 🔗

It cant just be an outright lie by the BBC can it?”

Well – it depends how you define ‘outright’?

.. but its total bollocks.

Since March, I’ve tracked mortality in relation to ONS weekly figures back to 1993.

The idea that 2020 showed mortality at the level claimed is a falsehood. Seven years had a worse rate since 1993 – let alone since the 1940s. The BBC has just pushed its credibility below basement level in promulgating such fictions.

For anyone who wants to get a handle on the figures, the graph of Swedish mortality over an extended period is – at least in recent years – very similar to that of the UK :
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The falsity of the BBC’s propaganda can easily be see.

351386 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 1, #732 of 2382 🔗

Please can you write to Ofcom on that article and its reporting? It’s incredibly alarmist

351888 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to The Rule of Pricks, #733 of 2382 🔗

I’ve analyses the data for England and Wales every week since April. Here’s my week 53 summary

Overall reported deaths in England and Wales in 2020 were 614,114 deaths compared to a ten-year mean 513,872 (range 484,391 to 539,340 for 2010-19), implying an excess mortality of 100,242 (95% CI 50,832 to 149,652) over ten-year reference.

Adjusting for population growth using ONS figures, the annual mortality rate increased from a ten-year mean of 892 deaths per 100,000 to 1033 deaths/100,000 in 2020, an increase of 141 deaths/100,000 (95% CI 92 to 191) equal to an increase of 15.8% over ten-year reference.

Based on underlying annual variation in all-cause mortality, the 2020 population-adjusted excess mortality is 6.4 standard deviations over ten-year reference mean ( P < 0.0001). Euromomo warning weekly threshold for excess mortality is placed at 4 standard deviations for seasonal monitoring of deaths.

351137 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #734 of 2382 🔗

BBC headline is worst excess deaths since WW2. How do they arrive at that conclusion?

351148 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #735 of 2382 🔗

They are unashamed liars.

351168 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #736 of 2382 🔗

Same as they excused themselves from Jimmy Saville

351175 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #737 of 2382 🔗

45.000 dead at home because they can’t access the NHS?

351213 ▶▶ Will, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #738 of 2382 🔗

In the article, however:

When the age and size of the population is taken into account 2020 saw the worst overall death rates since the mid 2000s.

This measure – known as age-standardised mortality – takes into account population growth and age.

351375 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Will, 1, #739 of 2382 🔗

Well December must have been the one to do it. Because up to November it was all fine.

351256 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, #740 of 2382 🔗

R2 News. I heard steepest rise in deaths since WW2.

351271 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 295 of lockdown), replying to karenovirus, #741 of 2382 🔗

Think they may be referring to Sky News article yesterday. It tries its hardest to make it look terrible:


351349 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #742 of 2382 🔗

Probably a made up figure drawn from a hat.

351138 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 27, #743 of 2382 🔗

Reading the news about BJ’s bike ride, I can’t believe that the fat fascist rides around east london on a bike and nobody has had the gumption to accidentally knock him off it because your covid mask obscured your view.

What is the matter with you Londoners?

351156 ▶▶ Kat, replying to Old Bill, 6, #744 of 2382 🔗

It would be recorded as a Covid related injury or death.

351166 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Kat, 2, #745 of 2382 🔗

It can’t b/c he’s had diplomatic cross-immunity since it nearly killed him the first time. He’s our Teflon Teddy Bear!

351165 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Old Bill, 12, #746 of 2382 🔗

Can’t believe a bike frame could bear the weight of the fat git
Must be military grade

351170 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Old Bill, 6, #747 of 2382 🔗

If someone knocked him off and he was admitted to hospital, he would be PCR tested for the virus and having had it would test positive and would count in the official statistics as another COVID 19 hospitalisation.

351174 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Old Bill, 4, #748 of 2382 🔗

He was surrounded by his security issue (were they socially distancing?), so unlikely to be able to get very close. Wonder whether the experience prompted him to ask SAGE to look again at the safe distance?

351357 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #749 of 2382 🔗

We need Bruce Reynolds to “accidentally” faint in front of him, knocking him off the bike.

351196 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Old Bill, 5, #750 of 2382 🔗

Too busy hunting Jeremy Vine who is about to discuss
‘Are people using trips to Sainsbury’s to meet their friends ! ? Are they using it as a social occasion ! ?’

351237 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Old Bill, 2, #751 of 2382 🔗

I’m just disappointed that he didn’t crash and fall head first into a guillotine.

351272 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Old Bill, #752 of 2382 🔗


351145 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #753 of 2382 🔗

My wife has just received an invitation to participate in research study about COVID 19. The study is being conducted by the Department for Health and Social Care with Imperial College London and Ipsos MORI. The purpose of the study is to find out how many people have been infected with the virus. The method is to randomly select people and have them self-administer an antibody test. The letter they sent her includes the admission: “…the antibody test is not 100% accurate…”

351249 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #754 of 2382 🔗

Ignore. These letters around for months now. The major question is what they trying to achieve testing asymptomatic people.

351153 Paul, replying to Paul, 34, #755 of 2382 🔗

I saw a neighbour stood in the middle of his garden,he said ‘just getting some air,I’ve got covid’,’oh,where did you get that then ?’ I said,’I don’t know,but I’m not ill and I feel fine’ he replied.Obviously he had the sniffles and went and got himself a false positive test but I couldn’t be bothered to give him my well rehearsed speech about the useless tests and the nightmare they have put us in.
He had a muzzle in his hand,’I keep this on in the house to stop my family catching it,only two days of isolation to go and then back to work,if I get a negative test that is’
I truly despair about a lot of the people who live around me.

351186 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Paul, 3, #756 of 2382 🔗

I’ve yet to come across anyone in person who has had a positive test, not many negative and I meet plenty of people.

351223 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Paul, 5, #757 of 2382 🔗

Makes you wonder about the wisdom of universal suffrage, dunnit?

351227 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #758 of 2382 🔗

Churchill probably had that one right – just better than any alternative.

351383 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RickH, #759 of 2382 🔗


351160 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #760 of 2382 🔗

Total infectious in society dropped hit 839,234 today


This is the peak

Meanwhile R has carried on dropping linearly from its peak on 18th Dec – oblivious to any lockdowns

351171 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #761 of 2382 🔗

Daily new infected below peaked on 7th Jan

latest R calculated was 0.86 on 7th Jan

If R continues to decline like it did on 1st wave and bottoms out at about 0.6, we can expect total infectious in society to be half the peak by the end of January

ludicrous government figures https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ should start falling because there will be less virus around to give contaminated false positives and less people will test positive anyway

351202 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 3, #762 of 2382 🔗

Peak of symptomatics on the 8th puts peak of infections before lockdown started, again…

351209 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, 2, #763 of 2382 🔗

yes, but easier to look at R – it peaked on 18th Dec and just came down, just like first wave, it never blinked when lockdowns were introduced – just did what it did

351295 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to steve_w, 2, #764 of 2382 🔗

Virus gonna virus.

351225 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 1, #765 of 2382 🔗

‘infected’ ?

Number of positive PCR tests.

351235 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, #766 of 2382 🔗

Zoe data so it is self-reported people with symptoms. Not perfect but the best real time data we have (in my opinion)

351473 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steve_w, #767 of 2382 🔗

You don’t think 77th have 500 iphones connected up, posing untrue shite then ?

351510 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JohnB, #768 of 2382 🔗

the data shows lockdowns were all unnecessary. its doesn’t really matter. if someone tried to bias the data they haven’t done it ‘well’ enough

351195 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, 1, #769 of 2382 🔗

How was this graph produced?

351211 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mattghg, 1, #770 of 2382 🔗

I take daily new infected symptomatics from the Zoe website – call this number N

Then calculate the R(day0) = N(day5)/N(day0)

351226 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, #771 of 2382 🔗

Thanks. But how do you get hold of the raw data? All I can see on the website is their own graph showing total number of people with symptoms, and a figure giving today’s “daily new cases”. Are you just logging that figure yourself every day, or is there a way to get historical data?

351234 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mattghg, 1, #772 of 2382 🔗

yes, just writing it down from website each day. I have asked them multiple times to make their time-series data available as download but nothing

351244 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, #773 of 2382 🔗

Bummer. I wonder why the reticence? Tim Spector seems like an honest guy, not a sceptic but not a zealot either or a narrative-peddler. I remember him speaking out against LD2.

Anyway, thanks again for doing this analysis and sharing it with us. Have you thought about “mirroring” the site with the that data you’ve been recording? Just a thought.

351251 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mattghg, 4, #774 of 2382 🔗

My suspicion is that he provides the data enough for people to find useful and use the app – but as an academic he wants to keep the raw data so that his group can write the papers and not get gazumped by another group. This is typical for academics.

data is here if it helps
new daily infections
01/11/2020 43171
02/11/2020 42828
03/11/2020 42276
04/11/2020 42326
05/11/2020 42049
06/11/2020 40606
07/11/2020 38799
08/11/2020 37377
09/11/2020 37132
10/11/2020 36293
11/11/2020 36294
12/11/2020 35963
13/11/2020 36510
14/11/2020 37280
15/11/2020 36445
16/11/2020 35075
17/11/2020 35507
18/11/2020 35204
19/11/2020 34279
20/11/2020 34257
21/11/2020 34474
22/11/2020 33408
23/11/2020 33187
24/11/2020 32061
25/11/2020 31093
26/11/2020 29311
27/11/2020 27262
28/11/2020 24937
29/11/2020 24095
30/11/2020 23362
01/12/2020 22061
02/12/2020 21030
03/12/2020 20497
04/12/2020 20698
05/12/2020 19939
06/12/2020 19104
07/12/2020 18866
08/12/2020 18653
09/12/2020 19091
10/12/2020 19190
11/12/2020 19505
12/12/2020 20764
13/12/2020 21291
14/12/2020 23115
15/12/2020 24911
16/12/2020 25904
17/12/2020 26897
18/12/2020 27811
19/12/2020 30336
20/12/2020 33346
21/12/2020 36744
22/12/2020 38719
23/12/2020 41094
24/12/2020 42894
25/12/2020 45608
26/12/2020 48589
27/12/2020 50157
28/12/2020 51745
29/12/2020 52802
30/12/2020 55226
31/12/2020 57697
01/01/2021 60117
02/01/2021 63809
03/01/2021 66217
04/01/2021 67345
05/01/2021 68576
06/01/2021 69890
07/01/2021 69958
08/01/2021 69231
09/01/2021 67246
10/01/2021 64688
11/01/2021 61813
12/01/2021 60060

351284 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, #775 of 2382 🔗

Good point. Thanks again!

351395 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mattghg, 1, #776 of 2382 🔗


351711 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, #777 of 2382 🔗

Just getting some graph drawing practice in with these data. A slightly different presentation to yours, but of course it tells the same story.

351713 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to mattghg, #778 of 2382 🔗

R falling before Christmas, of course.

351219 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 1, #779 of 2382 🔗

”Infections’ and ‘R’.

I’m afraid you’re dealing in tenuous derived data.

351264 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 1, #780 of 2382 🔗

you should see what we do in Physics!

351161 Stephanos, replying to Stephanos, 37, #781 of 2382 🔗

I read the article ‘Was I just witness to a Covid death’ with a lot of sympathy and sadness. I do not wish to be specific but I learned last week of a child whose family I know who attempted suicide twice during the last lockdown.
From a Christian point of view it is very difficult to know how to pray for this for suicide is a mortal sin, but putting theology aside, I can only feel compassion for the (in this case) near-victim and the family.
It sometimes seems to me that the architects of these policies are guilty of (in this case) attempted murder, or perhaps more accurately in the case mentioned ‘above the line’, actual murder.
Readers of this website have reported several instances of suicide and I can only say it is terrible. Thank goodness that at least one politician (David Warburton) and fifteen or eighteen others (I don’t know where the Tellers and the Speaker stand in all this) have started to recognise these tragedies.
I am not interested in lifting some restrictions; I want the whole lot thrown away NOW.
Away with your disgusting face-nappies!
Away with your idiotic anti-social distancing!
Away with your accursed QR codes!
Away with them all!
And NEVER bring them back!

351239 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Stephanos, 7, #782 of 2382 🔗

Just out of curiosity, is suicide still considered a mortal sin if people believe that god has abandoned them and they have had no support from the church to tell them otherwise?

351662 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #783 of 2382 🔗

This is a very good question and thank you for asking it. For myself, I do not really feel qualified to answer except to say that since I have had two crises in my life, the first entirely self-inflicted, where I have contemplated suicide, I have all sympathy with people who find that they have nowhere to turn. Not much help I know, and all I can say is ‘Κύριε, ἐλέησον’, Lord, have mercy.
Throughout this whole saga I have strongly felt that the Church, especially the hierarchy, have let the people of this country down, but when I try to ventilate these thoughts I am sorry to say I get nowhere. Possibly I do not express it in the best way, but I am not convinced that even putting these thoughts in a different way would change anything. I know that I am not alone in this.
This site has been a great comfort to me.

351162 Nigel Sherratt, 1, #784 of 2382 🔗

A handy guide to the 3 metre rule (was 10 foot in the old London Building Acts).


351173 Portnadler, replying to Portnadler, 16, #785 of 2382 🔗

“… yet a minority of infected people suffer very severe reactions and unfortunately sometimes lethal outcomes. This very wide variance in how individuals’ bodies react to the virus makes COVID-19 a most unusual illness.”

This is a quote from Dr Irina Metzler FRHistS piece in today’s ATL. I’ve suggested before that why people react differently to covid is their having previously had a flu vaccination.

The UK has one of the highest (if not the highest) flu vaccination rates of the over 65s in Europe. The UK also has one of the highest (if not the highest) covid death rates in Europe.

The people who are reported in the media as having died of covid represent a roll-call of those for whom the flu vaccination is recommended: the elderly, the vulnerable, health workers, pregnant women, those with learning difficulties and so forth. Those who are largely spared are the younger age groups for whom the flu vaccination is not normally available.

Even more intriguingly, severe covid does not manifest itself as a collapse or weakness of the immune system but in fact a strong over-reaction by the body to deal with infection through inflammation. This is the body fighting back but seemingly confused as to what to do.

Yes, elderly people are already poorly, yes, obese people may have poor immune systems, yes, health workers are exhausted and over-worked: but their bodies don’t seem to care – they fight on. What all these people have in common is not their weakness or vulnerability but their having had the flu vaccination.

Not everyone who gets vaccinated against flu gets covid. But as far as I can tell, everyone who gets severe covid has had a flu vaccination.

Please comment if you have any anecdotal or other evidence for or against this idea. Thank you.

351180 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Portnadler, 8, #786 of 2382 🔗

Remember, correlation is not causation.

351214 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #787 of 2382 🔗

… and subjective observation even less so!

351345 ▶▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to RickH, 3, #788 of 2382 🔗


But this started when the Guardian used to run a daily tally of those who had died (in the early days of the pandemic). I was curious as I knew no-one who had had covid (my daughter’s friend now is the only person so far) but I do know of someone who works in health care who knows 20 – 30 people, one of whom had died.

So yes, very observational and no proof of causation; but then as Dr Irina Metzler FRHistS, medical historian and former lecturer at the University of Swansea, as well as a Wellcome Trust University Award Fellow, asks,

“Have we missed something that could explain why some people fall very ill and even die, yet others don’t even know they’ve got it?”.

352701 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #789 of 2382 🔗

There may well be something in it though. I imagine many scientific advances have been made due to people noticing things such as this..

351181 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Portnadler, #790 of 2382 🔗

I’m not aware of any evidence that pregnant women are at higher risk of getting covid badly than the general population. Moreover, the flu vaccine is recommended for, and routinely given to, children aged 2-11, who have a much, much lower risk of getting covid badly than the general population. So, your argument doesn’t stack up.

351212 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mattghg, 3, #791 of 2382 🔗

But isn’t it suggested that children don’t have the particular receptor sites to enable covid to get a hold?

I do find this possible correlation with flu vaccines intriguing and potentially plausible. Surely it ought to be investigated fully. It wouldn’t be difficult.

351312 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to mattghg, 1, #792 of 2382 🔗

I’m not aware of any evidence that pregnant women are at higher risk of getting covid badly than the general population.

This is from the BMJ

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/pregnant-women-with-covid-19-are-less-likely-to-have-symptoms-and- may-more-likely-need-intensive-care /

I was alerted to pregnant women by a Guardian article (see below) and the fact that a friend of my daughter’s has covid (she is pregnant, sporty and healthy but as yet I don’t have confirmation as to whether she is vaccinated against flu.).


So I’m just keeping an open eye.

351182 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Portnadler, 4, #793 of 2382 🔗

I think it is worth examining this hypothesis against the statistical data, something the Department for Health and Social Care could do (they have the data), but I doubt they would, and even if they did and it showed a positive correlation, I doubt they would publish the study.

351185 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Portnadler, 8, #794 of 2382 🔗

“The UK also has one of the highest (if not the highest) covid death rates in Europe.”

How do you know that?

Have you found some source of uncorrupted statistics.

The death statistics are fabricated, with the definition of ‘covid death’ being sometimes different from country to country.

What made the UK different was the sheer number of people expelled from hospitals – lockdown deaths.

As Denis Rancourt says, the number of ‘covid deaths’ is correlated with lockdown response more than any other factor.

351190 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Portnadler, 6, #795 of 2382 🔗

My work colleague had covid over Christmas/New York, she and her husband had the flu jab about 3 weeks prior to this. Coincidence or just the body not able to cope with fighting two viruses if the body reacts to the flu jab?

351224 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Ambwozere, 6, #796 of 2382 🔗

the study in the BMJ from 2017 showed flu jabs increase childrens likelihood of catching other respiratory viruses, cant seem to find the link at the moment, but found this other study saying similar in adults. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31607599/

351204 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Portnadler, 3, #797 of 2382 🔗

This very wide variance in how individuals’ bodies react to the virus makes COVID-19 a most unusual illness.”

How bloody convenient for myth-making and obfuscation.

351221 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Portnadler, 9, #798 of 2382 🔗

My father is currently in hospital having had a stroke caused by a blood clot. This was after he was taken to hospital with difficulty breathing and was found to have water in his lungs. The people looking after him have shown surprise at how damaged his heart and other organs are for someone who was relatively active prior to this.

All the problems are exactly as described for a bad case of COVID. He has tested negative 4 times for the virus.

He was also perfectly healthy (as far as I know) before he had the flu vaccine in October 2020.

It’s something that I’ve been thinking about a lot recently. Is it possible that this is a man made tragedy caused by the flu vaccine.

351229 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #799 of 2382 🔗

Quite possibly, but the other 4 Coronaviruses can also wreak havoc on the human body.
Always have always will
They just never cared before Corona 5

351482 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Portnadler, 2, #800 of 2382 🔗

Interesting concept. Years ago I had bacterial pneumonia and was in hospital for three weeks. They got the infection under control quickly but my immune system wouldn’t calm down and I had lots of lung inflammation. For that reason I’m reluctant to have flu or covid vaccines. I’ve had other vaccinations without problems.

351725 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Portnadler, 1, #801 of 2382 🔗

I myself have long believed there is a direct connection, and have saved numerous references since last spring putting forward this hypothesis. This is a recent link…


351189 Sarigan (Day 295 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 295 of lockdown), 1, #803 of 2382 🔗

Just got a FOI back when I asked for the data back in Dec used to place all The Canaries on travel corridor rather than individual islands. All fairly bland but this was a bit weird:

351197 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Sarigan (Day 295 of lockdown), 4, #804 of 2382 🔗


351198 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Sarigan (Day 295 of lockdown), 1, #805 of 2382 🔗

Nothing to see here, move along…

351205 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan (Day 295 of lockdown), 2, #806 of 2382 🔗

I got that too, from an FOI request related to Sweden travel corridor

It is incredibly broad

351232 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 295 of lockdown), replying to Julian, #807 of 2382 🔗
351200 Julian, replying to Julian, 10, #808 of 2382 🔗

Shameless personal request to sign this.


“Exempt outdoor tennis from closure due to COVID-19 Support the LTA in conducting COVID safe outdoor tennis.
Tennis facilities operate nationally and mostly on a volunteer basis help people keep physically and mentally fit.”

I don’t like the “covid safe” bit but think of 3 things
1) Tennis coaches are stopped from working
2) A lot of our tennis club members are pensioners trying to stay active and their lives are being ruined in their name
3) Tennis keeps me and my family sane

351242 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Julian, 2, #809 of 2382 🔗

Signed. It was pretty much the only exercise I was getting. And no I don’t want to go jogging instead.

351255 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Julian, 3, #810 of 2382 🔗

Signed not that I play tennis but willing to help a fellow sceptic get their fitness back.

351384 ▶▶ New name old face, replying to Julian, 1, #811 of 2382 🔗

I’ll sign it, I love tennis 🙂

351411 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Julian, 1, #812 of 2382 🔗

I wouldn’t last 5 seconds on a Tennis court without having a heart attack, but count is now at 25,423…

351474 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Julian, 1, #813 of 2382 🔗

I hate tennis. Signed it anyway.

351201 mikec, replying to mikec, 34, #814 of 2382 🔗

Does anybody else have that ‘don’t interfere with your enemy whilst he’s making a fatal mistake’ feeling? It doesn’t appear that our new lockdown is going as planned? Can’t see the supermarkets being too keen on the stream of correspondence they’re currently receiving. And don’t get me started on the bike ride – simple defence now if you’re stopped, ‘I was behaving in exactly the same way as Boris’. New York is currently looking for a way out, Hancock will call it quits at 8-10% jabbed, and then a new PM/Cabinet by Easter. Our work here is nearly done.

351217 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to mikec, 1, #815 of 2382 🔗

Agreed with your first question.

351257 ▶▶ Alice, replying to mikec, 2, #816 of 2382 🔗

Oh, that would be wonderful!

351360 ▶▶ Will, replying to mikec, 2, #817 of 2382 🔗

I agree. Don’t bang on about PCR etc just let everyone realise that the government and scientists are trying to claim credit for altering the course of the virus via a lockdown that no one is observing. When it calms down in the hospitals in a few weeks we highlight that the virus did what viruses do and lockdown was, once again, utterly pointless.

351208 bluemoon, replying to bluemoon, 40, #818 of 2382 🔗

I love seeing so much traffic on our roads, buses and trade vehicles etc. It indicates that life is being lived somewhere somehow, And I want to see it.
I also want to see fleets of small coaches containing kidnapped judges, politicians, bureaucrats, media bosses and police chiefs.
Their devices and briefcases confiscated so they are forced to look out of the windows.
They will all be firmly masked for the 6/7 hour journey. This journey will take them slowly through our empty towns and cities.
The commentary will be read out:
“We are taking you on a tour to show you the results of your insane lockdown policies.
“In this city there are now 17,000 unemployed and 1,005 businesses have declared bankruptcy. There have been 23 known suicides since last October. You see that hospital on the right? In that ICU unit there are 6 out of 15 beds occupied. 2,300 people are awaiting cancer screening appointments.
“This village had a large and flourishing primary school. You’ll notice that the gates are closed and the playground is empty.
“The next town we are coming to is even worse. We’ll take you along the high street where there is not a single shop, pub or cafe open.
To those of you hoping for a coffee break, sorry but you’ve closed all the cafes.
“And to those of you wanting to pee, sorry but you’ve closed all the public toilets.”
Between commentaries music should be played. Anything from the LS playlist above the line will do.

351243 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to bluemoon, 3, #819 of 2382 🔗

Like the British Army marching the local populace around Belsen and getting the camp commanders to dig the graves.

351525 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to bluemoon, 2, #820 of 2382 🔗

I enjoyed this VERY much

351222 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 14, #821 of 2382 🔗

Click and collect could be banned everywhere apart from supermarkets amid fears customers are passing the virus in queues https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9136709/Click-collect-banned-apart-supermarkets.html
Note: This has already happened in Ireland for non-essential retail.
Plus SD at 3 metres?
I wish they would stop faffing about. Just get on with it and ban people full stop. We all know that’s where this is heading.

351240 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to godowneasy, 5, #822 of 2382 🔗

Yes, last push to close all small businesses

351253 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Victoria, 2, #823 of 2382 🔗

DM says the Post Office is overwhelmed with parcels. Save the Post Office, shop on Amazon?

351301 ▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Alice, 1, #824 of 2382 🔗

Post office could hire in Yodel?

351310 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Alice, #825 of 2382 🔗

Any indication of how many of those parcels are in ICU with SARS?

351355 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Alice, 2, #826 of 2382 🔗

In Bury St Edmunds area (Hancock’s constituency) they currently have 90 staff on ‘shielding at home’ and cannot deliver post on time (some areas only receives postal deliveries 1x per week)

351428 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Victoria, #827 of 2382 🔗

I think we’ll have to start clapping for the Post Office. And stop posting letters – use e-mail instead. As for parcels, courier delivery only (Amazon).

351259 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to godowneasy, 6, #828 of 2382 🔗

Japan or South Korea stopped doing mass testing during Sars-1 because they somehow found people were catching it while queuing to get tested.

351563 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nobody2021, #829 of 2382 🔗

also it was a cold – so why bother 🙂

351233 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #830 of 2382 🔗

Nightingale hospital in London opening next week according to this email I received today
NHS Nightingale Hospital Excel London

Good morning and I hope you are well. Nursing Personnel have been asked to assist in supplying nurses Band 5 to Band 7 to the NHS Nightingale hospital at the Excel Centre in London. The hospital is opening this week.

If you are interested in working at the Excel in London please email us
Pay rates are below and accommodation is available .
Band 5
Day      £25.00
Night    £ 31.00
Sun      £ 37.00
Band 6
Day      £30.00
Night    £ 37.00
Sun      £ 45.00
Band 7
Day      £34.00
Night    £ 43.00
Sun      £ 52.00

351279 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to p02099003, 3, #831 of 2382 🔗

If they intend providing accommodation, they will have to wheel all the beds back in!
In, out, in ,out….
It’s totally unsuited for any in-patient treatment of any type, of course.
It’ll just be some sort of glorified day testing centre.
It actually would make sense to use it as a centre for rapid lateral flow testing for triaging people with any sort of flu type symptoms.And keep the negatives out of the hospital system, or out of the Covid wards, if non-Covid hospital treatment is indicated.
They just need to ditch PCR for good. But seeing as the whole damn panic is predicated on PCR, I doubt they will do that.

351298 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Kevin 2, #832 of 2382 🔗

Since they locked us all up last March they probably want it as a maternity ward.

351396 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Crimson Avenger, #833 of 2382 🔗

Such facilities might only be needed for a year or two….

351337 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to p02099003, 3, #834 of 2382 🔗

Hospital admissions starting to curve over in London. Are the Gov. responding too late to make a difference but just in time to take the credit again?

351554 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to p02099003, #835 of 2382 🔗

Horse and stable door!

351247 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 41, #836 of 2382 🔗

Received an E-mail from the CEO of Sainsburys this morning telling me they are going to employ security guards to ‘challenge’ mask less people at their shop entrances. Lost no time in replying with this:

Dear Sir,

I am extremely disappointed at receiving your latest E-MAIL Up to now Sainsburys has been one of the most considerate of shops in their understanding of mask less people.
Your decision to employ security guards to challenge those who are not wearing masks will have the following effects.

* It will make me much less inclined to enter your shop.

* It will make me feel angry and intimidated by the ‘challenge’ by those who, legally, are not entitled to do so. It will amount to ‘discrimination’ and there is no basis in English law for it.

* It will make the chances of confrontation and bullying by those wearing a mask, to those not, much more likely.

Up to now I have entered and shopped in Sainburys in the knowledge that they have supported ALL their customers, those wearing a mask and those who do not. I have been heartened by your tannoy announcements saying precisely this! I am therefore disappointed and extremely concerned at this retrograde step. I had thought Sainsburys were better than this.

I enclose the governments 2020 public health regulations concerning Coronavirus and I would draw your attention to paras. 2 and 3 which makes it abundantly clear that by discriminating against people who do not wear a mask both Sainsburys and their staff are liable to substantial fines.


I am a Sainsburys shopper of over forty years standing and I can’t tell you how disappointed I am at this extremely negative move on your part which will have nothing but negative consequences for all concerned.

Harry Hopkins

351280 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #837 of 2382 🔗

Don’t forget to boycott all of the other businesses they own – Argos for example

351296 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Harry hopkins, 10, #838 of 2382 🔗

I’ve already boycotted Sainsburys on account of their support for BLM. I guess I’ll have to buy a beer there so I can boycott them again.

351260 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 10, #839 of 2382 🔗

Masks= Government Psychological Warfare

351365 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to DanClarke, #840 of 2382 🔗


351262 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #841 of 2382 🔗

Extend social distancing to 3 metres.
All of 40 people (shopping alone of course) in every supermarket.

351277 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #842 of 2382 🔗

Extend it to 300 miles ASAP otherwise there will be more deaths!!!!

351495 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Hubes, #843 of 2382 🔗

Yes if viruses can travel to Antarctica (article on here yesterday) 3m is not going to be enough!

351289 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Fingerache Philip, #844 of 2382 🔗

Due to a lack of resources, government.exe has encountered an error. Output may require further validation. If this continues, please uninstall.

351410 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #845 of 2382 🔗

Masks and bargepoles available at every entrance.

351273 Fingerache Philip, 13, #847 of 2382 🔗

The Bozzer didn’t break the law because he left his own door to exercise.
Presumably the Derbyshire 2 started out from the middle of the Gobi desert then.

351276 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 5, #848 of 2382 🔗

Have we flattened the curve yet?

351283 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to rockoman, 3, #849 of 2382 🔗

…couple more weeks

351328 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Achilles, 1, #850 of 2382 🔗

Carrot – – – – – – – – – – – –Donkey

351285 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to rockoman, 5, #851 of 2382 🔗

yes, ages ago – now we are saving the NHS from the predictable and normal numbers of frail people requiring their services during the annual flu season

351321 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Jonny S., 2, #853 of 2382 🔗

yeah..about June 2020, now we are just milking it so we can establish the Great reset.

351327 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to rockoman, 5, #854 of 2382 🔗

Most unlikely that we can ever flatten the curve when that curve can be any shape the government wants it to be.

351281 Stephensceptic, replying to Stephensceptic, 12, #855 of 2382 🔗

Sainsbury’s are sending this email to their customers:

Dear xxxxx
I have spent a lot of time in our stores over the past few days and I need to ask for your help with two key issues to keep you and all my colleagues safe.
When shopping in our stores, you must wear a mask or visor unless you have a medical exemption. And you should also shop on your own. Thank you for your support.
Security guards will support our colleagues at the front of store and will challenge customers who are not wearing masks or who are shopping in groups. I know you’ll understand and support what we are trying to do.
We have also significantly reduced the number of customers allowed in our stores at any one time to ensure social distancing is maintained at all times.
Together, these steps will go a long way to keep everyone safe, whether you are shopping or working with us.
Please wear a mask or visor and please shop alone in our stores. Thank you for helping us to keep everyone safe.
Best wishes


The underlying assumption and even explicit statement that masks make people safe is very entertaining.

History really will judge this as the period when humanity quite literally lost its’ senses.

Of course, you cannot reply and ask “Simon” for the evidence as to why this will make everyone safe. It’s a no reply account.

We really are in an age of propaganda and evil. Goebbels would be deeply respectful of how well this is being executed.

351339 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Stephensceptic, 7, #856 of 2382 🔗

Try Simon.roberts@sainsburys.co.uk

Or better yet, the chairman. Chairmen get really cross when contacted directly, and tend to go straight to the CEO and ask them why the hell they are being bothered. In my experience. Maybe try martin.scicluna@sainsburys.co.uk

It worked for me when John Lewis failed to deliver my furniture (twice).

351348 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to sophie123, 4, #857 of 2382 🔗

Thanks for that info. we have to make noise.

351379 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to sophie123, 8, #858 of 2382 🔗

It’s fun having nothing better to do sometimes (I might have been a bit economic with the truth, but what the hell)…

Dear Martin,

As I have a 10 month old child, I consider it child abuse to make her wear a mask and psychologically damaging for her to only see people wearing masks. I have also suffered infections from wearing masks in the past, so for my own health, I would rather not wear one.

After your stance on masks, I will no longer be shopping at Sainsburys or any of the other businesses that you own (e.g. Argos) including online.

I will be boycotting your business forever.

I just thought I’d let you know.

For the safety of your staff, please make sure they regularly change their masks (at least very 2 hours) and never touch them as they may risk getting bacterial pneumonia.

Aldi and Lidl have not gone as full on Nazi about this, so I will be shopping at stores like this in the future.

Yours sincerely,

An ex-customer

351562 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to captainbeefheart, #859 of 2382 🔗

keep it short and sweet – they do not read email rants (neither do I in work)

351397 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to sophie123, 2, #860 of 2382 🔗

Here’s a handy source for CEO contact details:

351342 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Stephensceptic, 6, #861 of 2382 🔗

I have been assured during a call that I made to Sainbury’s a few minutes ago that exemptions will be allowed in. No doubt that if the company uses strong arm or embarrassment tactics, it will be another way of getting the sheeple to comply. Not me, I will not give them any further business and instead to my shame, I will shop at my two German owned stores: Lidl and Aldi.

I am going to write to the Sainbury’s Press office, which seems to be one of the few methods of contacting the company: press_office@sainsbury.co.uk .

351288 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 10, #862 of 2382 🔗

Does anybody personally know any journalist who works for any of the mainstream media, TV/newspapers. I want to find out why they are not reporting all the things that we know. What have they been told, are their jobs at risk if they don’t follow the narrative. They must know what is going on?

351294 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Andrew K, 4, #863 of 2382 🔗

”Does anybody personally know any journalist who works for any of the mainstream media, TV/newspapers”

I assumed they all worked for the CCP

351302 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Major Panic, 4, #864 of 2382 🔗

That’s exactly what I’m trying to find out they can’t all be in the pocket of the CCP or WEF or Billy no mates Gates, or whoever the feck is behind this.

351297 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Andrew K, 1, #865 of 2382 🔗

I wouldn’t associate with them, so no. Sorry.

351322 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Andrew K, 7, #866 of 2382 🔗

I have known quite a few over the years. There are no independent thinkers among them. Most of them are not particularly bright. I remember speaking with one who has become quite prominent at the BBC and she had never heard of the bombing of Hiroshima.

351401 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #867 of 2382 🔗

I’ve noticed on quiz programs that the younger ‘celebrity’ participants are not only dim but are proud of the fact! Usual comment ‘I know nothing about History/Geography/Literature/Politics/Science…..the list goes on and on. Any music question prior to the last couple of years is scoffed at. However their knowledge of Soaps and Reality TV is impressive. The Soma is clearly working. (Not that they would know what that is!)

351325 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Andrew K, #868 of 2382 🔗

I’ve looked at the names on muckrack, the profiles are weird, maybe not even real def not ‘journalists’, just those ‘media students’ we were swamped with

351330 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Andrew K, 5, #869 of 2382 🔗

Journalistic output is constrained by editorial oversight; editorial oversight is constrained by the owners of the organ concerned. Ergo: we only see what the owners want us to see, this will be reflected in their political beliefs and ideologies etc. i.e. the ‘news’ is largely bought and paid for, independence, in any meaningful sense, is a thing of the past.

351340 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Hieronimusb, #870 of 2382 🔗

I know that Hieronimusb that’s why I want to hear what a Journo working for these large mainstreams really thinks off the record. Surely there must be somebody who knows one amongst us.

351462 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Andrew K, 4, #871 of 2382 🔗

Long ago, in 1989, I was employed to bring forfeiture proceedings against a shop selling neo-Nazi and racist material in Central London. The case enjoyed brief notoriety in the MSM and was the subject of discussion and some hand-wringing in various Westminster City Council meetings and on one occasion in the HofC. Several journalists covered it and I contacted some of them when preparing witness statements/subpoenas etc. Because of the nature of the defendants, some of whom had criminal records/prison sentences for violence, there was an element of personal risk and even the Met were reluctant to intervene, although they probably had other reasons for this. To a man/woman the journalists I contacted, Jeremy Vine included, refused to assist in any way although they were happy to write copy for their various outlets. Proper investigative journalism is a thing of the past, already was then, and my respect for and trust in their ilk evaporated overnight. Those who now work in journalism and want to keep their jobs must largely stick to the limitations laid down for them by their employers. Most of them, to the extent that they have any real beliefs, will override them in order to earn a crust. What they really think, off the record, is neither here nor there. I’m sure that I’m not telling you anything that you don’t already know. Their are very few who, like Toby Young, are willing to swim against the tide.

351511 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #872 of 2382 🔗

Thanks for that insight, I appreciate it’s hard swimming against the tide and unlike in 1989 people now have to contend with social media as well. But I just fail to see how not one journo has spoken out against all of this given what is at stake.

351346 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Andrew K, 5, #873 of 2382 🔗

Yes, my friend does. He is completely sceptical, but won’t join LS because he says he “has to be careful” because of his work (he is an editor). I think he feels his position is under threat if he can be identified as going against his paper’s narrative.

351420 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jo, 2, #874 of 2382 🔗

Thanks Jo. Has your friend told you anything about their work narrative, what they’ve been told they can and can’t say. Do he’s colleagues have the same attitude?

351362 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Andrew K, 3, #875 of 2382 🔗

Don’t hang around with Paedos
So thats the BBC and the House of Commons out

351291 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 14, #876 of 2382 🔗

Just banged this off to Morrisons.

Dear Sir/Madam.
I read today That Morrison’s is to enforce mask use in all it’s stores. I have been a customer at Morrisons in Elland since it opened. I also experience breathing difficulties which mean that I am unable to wear a face covering. This is a disability I have had all my life and it is upsetting to hear that I may be forced to shop elsewhere through no fault of my own. Of course this could be, like much else in the last year, blown all out of proportion by the mainstream media. I do hope so. Could you please clarify your policy.
One unfortunate outcome of covid is that the over 75’s and members of the BAME community seem to be more suseptible to the virus. I do hope that any further policies you may impose do not infringe on their rights as they appear to infringe on mine.

351307 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Jonny S., #877 of 2382 🔗

I’ve had no bother at all from my local Coop. Anybody else on here with Coop experiences, good or bad?

351314 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Andy Riley, 4, #878 of 2382 🔗

I have two local small Co-Ops. I’ve stopped using the nearest one as the Sturmbanfuhrer ‘security’ man is extremely unpleasant. The other one is fine.

351320 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Andy Riley, 4, #879 of 2382 🔗

COOP have always been relly good. Shopped there last night with maskless shop assistant displaying exempt badge. This allowed us to have a good chat and nice smile at the end. To be honest Morrisons have been good up until now.

351369 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jonny S., 3, #880 of 2382 🔗

I can’t look at a Co-op without thinking of the Chief Exec snorting drugs out of a rent boys crack

351385 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #881 of 2382 🔗

Thanks for that

351363 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #882 of 2382 🔗

Mine has been good all along, door left open, no problems

351548 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #883 of 2382 🔗

My local small Co-op are very good with me – always feel ok without a mask.

351987 ▶▶▶ nootnoot, replying to Andy Riley, #884 of 2382 🔗

All good in my one. However the Scotmid Coop near my house is a bit iffy. I’ve been in twice in the evening and had no issue but both times the two supervisors (who i’ve seen moan at kids about masks) were not there. So still not sure about that one.

351367 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jonny S., 7, #885 of 2382 🔗

Local shops seem to be much better that supermarkets
Local bakers, butchers and booze stores – no issues
Most of my money is going local now
Screw the corporations

351300 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #886 of 2382 🔗

Run for the hills, folks.
Pathetic Patel to hold a press conference announcing even harsher crackdowns on Covid law breakers.

351324 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #887 of 2382 🔗

All COVID deniers will be shot on sight.

351336 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to godowneasy, 3, #888 of 2382 🔗

I’ve heard that they’ve discussed bringing back hanging, drawing and quartering.

351359 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #889 of 2382 🔗

Why stop there? Lots of people love a good bonfire.

351423 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #890 of 2382 🔗

Not for lockdown sceptics though…

351350 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #891 of 2382 🔗

Her preferred pronouns are “The Poison Pygmy”

351304 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #892 of 2382 🔗

How long until the first mask refusenik is murdered? End of the week?

351313 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #893 of 2382 🔗

There will be plenty of people who would cheer that. They’re so lost mentally..

351354 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #894 of 2382 🔗

Probably already happened.

351391 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #895 of 2382 🔗

How would that square with the “If it saves one life” rhetoric?

351402 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #896 of 2382 🔗

There you go again with your logic and rational thinking.

351407 ▶▶ danny, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #897 of 2382 🔗

I am getting worried about that. The levels of hysteria are through the roof, and now we get members of the cabinet basically applauding the illegal vigilante actions of supermarkets.
This is going to end very badly for one of us I fear.

351425 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to danny, 2, #898 of 2382 🔗

On the flip side, it could end very badly for one of the aggressors.

351455 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to danny, 2, #899 of 2382 🔗

I was thinking about that .trump has been deplatformed allegedly for incitement. Hancock is close to that, supporting the police in an action that they apogised for.

351504 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #900 of 2382 🔗

Yesterday in Germany, a man was seriously injured in a bank by a person upset about him not wearing his mask properly.
The offender fled the scene.

351316 Kelly deacons, replying to Kelly deacons, 53, #901 of 2382 🔗

Back from morrisons,no mask,no trouble.Bumped into bro,also maskless,advised him we should now distance 3m,had a lovely loud chat about the destruction of economy/country.Bro.talks loud anyway,so heard all along bread &bakery aisle and beyond.
Last night under cover of darkness,did a big sticker run.The fruits of my labour all round town centre, a joy to behold this morning!

351505 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Kelly deacons, 6, #902 of 2382 🔗

Well done Kelly. I spotted some anti-lockdown stickers in Newcastle last week. It was a thrilling sight. Just for a moment, I was not alone.

351329 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 1, #903 of 2382 🔗

I’ve just reported on ZOE for Her Indoors and myself. I’m disturbed by the latest graph (attached). I fear the recent disparity between ZOE and the propaganda has got to the point where 77 are hacking or swamping ZOE. Have any other LS contributors observed this?

351347 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to eastender53, #904 of 2382 🔗

Wouldn’t surprise me what goes on in secret, in smoke filled rooms after the last bus has gone.

351351 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to eastender53, #905 of 2382 🔗

Regionally you’ll see different data of course. Most of the discussions on here have focused on London peaking first and then more nationally a few days later.

351373 ▶▶ Will, replying to eastender53, 2, #906 of 2382 🔗

The National picture continues to fall, Steve W has done his usual excellent update down the thread.

351431 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, #907 of 2382 🔗


351392 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to eastender53, 3, #908 of 2382 🔗

the UK graph is smooth. regional graphs will wobble all over the place due to lowish numbers etc. its a sampling issue and can be safely ignored!

351338 WasSteph, 10, #909 of 2382 🔗

Just back from my regular walk in the country park with my friend and her dog. The roads there were just as busy but the intimidation against meeting up for exercise seems to have been successful. The park had many fewer walkers than previous weeks. The outdoor cafe is open, though no customers seen. We were able to sit down and share our thermos of tea as usual. No overzealous wardens or coppers in sight.

351341 Crimson Avenger, replying to Crimson Avenger, 15, #910 of 2382 🔗

I think we can all see this is a Big Hoax. Consider the shenanegans in the USA, how the media apologise week after week for destructive BLM riots and all in unison condemn the President of the greatest country in the world, all using the same words, to condemn a peaceful rally, all big tech companies, all in unison, all condemning their President, all based on lies. Big Lies.

351352 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Crimson Avenger, #911 of 2382 🔗

Greatest country in the world? By what metric?

351361 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to eastender53, #912 of 2382 🔗

Nominal GDP

351380 ▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to rockoman, #913 of 2382 🔗

So when China overtakes the US in GDP it will become the greatest?

351353 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Crimson Avenger, 2, #914 of 2382 🔗

Yes – the same media tells us we all have to stay under house arrest.

351382 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Crimson Avenger, 7, #915 of 2382 🔗

The media didn’t apologise for the BLM protests/riots. They provided wall-to-wall justifications for them.

351356 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 21, #916 of 2382 🔗

The last two days on the radio I have heard nothing but self-righteous indignation railing against evil non-compliant people, especially those not wearing masks. I just don’t get it. There now seems to be an almost religious level of belief in these bits of rag, that our current situation is entirely due to the very few wicked people who are not wearing them in supermarkets. It’s mass psychosis and shows how detached people are from the facts and reality and have lost all proportion.
Non-mask wearers are now the equivalent of “witches” in the 17th century – scapegoats for the evils of the world. I have held out against masks for 6 months, but the level of hate is now so high I really feel anxious about carrying on.
This picture is how I feel now…

351368 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to PhilipF, 4, #917 of 2382 🔗

Change your radio station Philip. Try Talk Radio.

351370 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to PhilipF, 12, #918 of 2382 🔗

The C19’ers are really starting to lose the plot. Their sanity is suffering. I’m not joking.

351444 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 9, #919 of 2382 🔗

we need to stay strong and turn it back on the maskochists
I don’t give a dingo’s kidneys about their “health , sanity or wellbeing
Fuk them and the muzzled horse they rode in on

351377 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 2, #920 of 2382 🔗

Of course, Donald Sutherland would be wearing a mask these days

351393 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PhilipF, 15, #921 of 2382 🔗

Compliance is very high with masks and many other lockdown measures – no-one can seriously argue that lack of compliance is making a difference

The govt and public are looking for scapegoats because the lockdown is so obviously not working

Scraping the bottom of the barrel now

351398 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to PhilipF, 6, #922 of 2382 🔗

Don’t let your anxiety deter you, the science against masks is irrefutable and downright obvious when you consider the means and the objective. If challenged, don’t get flustered, question the evidence and/or claim exemption.

351471 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #923 of 2382 🔗

“When things are common sense, they still have an equal chance of harming or benefiting you and the quality evidence on cloth masks says they increase re-infection.” Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence-based Medicine, Oxford University.

The evidence on masks is this: up to 2015, the only randomised controlled trial (RCT) was the one below showing the ‘danger’ of wearing cloth masks. Since then there has been one RCT on Covid 19 infection in Denmark and this showed no evidence either way.

A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks, no masks & medical masks

British Medical Journal.  2015; 5(4): e006577.

C Raina MacIntyre ,1 Holly Seale ,1 Tham Chi Dung ,2 Nguyen Tran Hien ,2 Phan Thi Nga ,2 Abrar Ahmad Chughtai ,1 Bayzidur Rahman ,1 Dominic E Dwyer ,3 and Quanyi Wang 4

Results: Infection was highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI (Influenza Like Infection) significantly higher than the medical mask arm. Cloth masks had significantly higher rates of ILI than the no mask control arm. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97%; medical masks 44%. Conclusions: The results caution against cloth mask use. Moisture retention, reuse and poor filtration increased risk of infection. More research is needed. Cloth masks should not be recommended for Health Care Workers and guidelines need updating.”

The British government, while ‘mandating’ mask wearing, recognises this is against the spirit of the 1998 Human Rights Act so have allowed those who are distressed at ‘wearing … a face covering’ to exempt themselves . The key words from gov.uk are: “If you have a reason for not wearing a face covering, you don’t need to show any written evidence of this; you don’t need an exemption card … (It) is a personal choice, not required by law .” That is from gov.uk!!!

Roger Koops, (doctor of Chemistry with 25 years working in big pharma) goes through the molecular behaviour of the SARS-Cov-2 virus with the main takeout this:

Wearing a mask, you become a source of environmental contamination. You increase your own risk and you also increase the risk to others.

From Roger W Koops ‘A Year of Disguises’ Oct 16, 2020 American Institute for Economic Research.

351416 ▶▶ l835, replying to PhilipF, 2, #924 of 2382 🔗

I know how you feel. Have to take a few deep breath’s and steel myself before going to buy a pint of milk.

351424 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to PhilipF, 8, #925 of 2382 🔗

Do carry on maskless. Take an exemption card with you. Be polite, but be firm. Stand your ground. We need every single person to say NO. They will try hard and lay the blame at our feet but the truth will prevail. It has been and always be a compliance test. Always remember you might be passing a person in a shop who wants to take the mask of but is afraid of doing it because no one else is. They will see you and get a signal…!

351440 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to PhilipF, 5, #926 of 2382 🔗

Best thing to do is carry on. Be brave , be resolute as you know you are the sane one here.

351358 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 25, #927 of 2382 🔗

Would any of these twats ever stop to think that mask wearing could actually be causing the spike? People fidding with the dirty rags around their faces then touching stuff, it’s disgusting.

351366 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #928 of 2382 🔗

Well said. Also, that people wearing masks “feel” they’re safer and then ignore other (more effective) things like hand washing (that’s the Peltzman Effect).

351399 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to neilhartley, 7, #929 of 2382 🔗

Very true. I may be the only unmasked on my infrequent shopping trips but I’m also the only one keeping my distance and following the arrows.

351493 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to WasSteph, 5, #930 of 2382 🔗

I don’t follow those arrows. No idea why humans ever accepted being treated like cattle.

351371 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #931 of 2382 🔗

Adjusted for population size, the official ‘covid death’ tate in the UK on the 7-day moving average basis, is now about 16 times that of Sweden.

UK – 915 – pop 65 million
Sweden – 9 – pop 10 million

351381 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ganjan21, 16, #932 of 2382 🔗

My exact thoughts. When you think of how tiny in number us non mask-wearers are. I can’t recall the last time I was in a supermarket when I saw anyone else unmasked. Yet we’re the ones considered a threat and vectors of disease.

351394 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to kh1485, 10, #933 of 2382 🔗

They pull the things under their chin to chat to someone else then go on around the shop touching goods, handles , e.t.c. I know who the spreaders are and it is not me being maskless.

351403 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #934 of 2382 🔗

I know, revolting. I was in Tesco’s yesterday and while queueing I noticed a very large sign outside the toilets with instructions on how to wash your hands. I mean, ffs, has it really come to this.

352211 ▶▶▶▶▶ nootnoot, replying to kh1485, 1, #935 of 2382 🔗

We had those in the office at work prior to covid. Also signs above every sink saying CAUTION HOT WATER. No shit..I would expect nothing else from a hot tap.

351406 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to kh1485, 4, #936 of 2382 🔗

If there were ten times as many of us, we would be too many to scapegoat.

I wonder, if some of us get beaten up or even killed, will Hancock the wanky hamster change his rhetoric? Probably not. The media will just misrepresent or cover up the attacks.

351433 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Ovis, 3, #937 of 2382 🔗

Those would be counted as Covid deaths.

351503 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to kh1485, 7, #938 of 2382 🔗

I was talking about the same thing to a friend. In all the times that I have gone into shops since the mask mandate, I have only seen about 5 other people without one. How the hell the unmuzzled can be blamed for the “uncontollable virus” I will never know. The lockdown zealots have to have someone to blame and we are an obvious target.

351523 ▶▶ JME, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #939 of 2382 🔗

Totally agree! Difference between now (when we’re in the worse situation ever for the NHS?!) and “first wave” is wearing masks- God knows how high the spike might have been in the spring if everybody was wearing them then.
Would be nice if someone asked them if the masks could be making things worse (obviously will never happen!)

351364 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 9, #940 of 2382 🔗

Covid: 2020 saw most excess deaths since World War Two – BBC News

Hmmm on the face of it, it’s tough to argue with this one since excess deaths is less controversial. But I will try here:

  • It’s only 15% more than the average, hardly worth blowing society up for
  • How many of those deaths are due to the EFFECTS of lockdown? Cancelled appointments, health service effectively closing, people giving up, suicides etc.
  • Will we in fact have LESS excess deaths than usual in the next two years because so many old and vulnerable have died in 2020-21?
  • Might the 5-year average from 2020-2025 therefore actually look like most 5-year averages since WW2?
  • Haven’t most of the excess deaths occurred in the spring? Yes, there was something going on then but not anymore that’s out of the ordinary versus a very bad flu season (itself a serious thing).

Any others fellow sceptics would like to contribute?

351376 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #941 of 2382 🔗

Looking at monthly death totals for England and Wales up to November (December figures out in a week or so). They went mad in April, and were high in May. Frankly, nothing to write home about since.


351388 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #942 of 2382 🔗


351378 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to jhfreedom, #943 of 2382 🔗

I thought that the total deaths are 8000 more than average. So it depends on how you are measuring “excess deaths”

351387 ▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #944 of 2382 🔗

Unless they are including Scotland (though where from I dont know as the ONS numbers are only for England and Wales) their numbers are wrong.

Even a 10 year old can add up the weekly ONS numbers and it comes to 614,114 for 2020.

It then should be easy to strip out the respiratory disease numbers to give total numbers of deaths from anything other than flu/pneumonia/Covid etc and compare those

And then of course compare the respiratory disease death toll

However the ONS make it clear on their data that because Covid has an emergency ICD code it is impossible to strip out the numbers of respiratory deaths for 2020 because a lot are double counted!

351442 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #945 of 2382 🔗

I think about 20,000 of those deaths were elderly being shoved back into care homes in April with covid and GPS refusing to go into care homes to treat anyone. That’s 20,000 excess deaths by the government/NHS, the real granny killers.

351577 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #946 of 2382 🔗

And it strikes me that over this year in particular there appears to have been a rather unsavoury enthusiasm by the NHS to get elderly and vulnerable to sign DNR Notices which have then most likely been acted upon with undue haste by doctors who like to play God and woudl claim to be protecting the NHS. That would ramp up the figures, as would iatrogenic causes.

351463 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to jhfreedom, #947 of 2382 🔗
351508 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #948 of 2382 🔗

What about all the people who have lived into their 90’s and 100’s at the present time which has never happened in the past and it’s just nature taking its course and these super veterans are at last dying?
Not being flippant as my mother in law is 95 but just being realistic, after all ; the longer you live, the closer you are to death.
I think that it’s nature “levelling its playing field”.

351592 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #949 of 2382 🔗

Yes, particularly as the two previous years had relatively mild flu seasons which meant fewer deaths than average those years. As Ivor Cummins, John Lee et al have said, this ‘dry tinder’ has to die some time and it just so happens that, for a significant number, it was this year.

351573 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #950 of 2382 🔗

Where is the BBC getting its data from? I’ve only been able to find population data for the UK going back as far as 1950. Any measure of ‘excess deaths’ based purely on an absolute number is pointless, it has to be population adjusted.


351374 Tim Paton, replying to Tim Paton, 17, #951 of 2382 🔗

I don’t understand the latest narrative that Hospitals are running out of oxygen. Surely this is not the fault of the public but the managers of the NHS hospitals. Why cant they just order some more ?…I just looked on Amazon and I can get 30 canisters delivered to me by Thursday !!!. This is just another example of lazy, scaremongering journalism from the MSM.

351389 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Tim Paton, 12, #952 of 2382 🔗

They’re too busy doing tik tok.

351414 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Tim Paton, 2, #953 of 2382 🔗

Airlines seem to be able to get hold of it without any issues. Must be bad NHS management, as usual.

351539 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #954 of 2382 🔗

Most aircraft today use chemical oxygen generators not gaseous. Newer types such as the B787 and A380 do carry gaseous but rarely used so small demand. Same for the therapeutic oxygen carried.

However your point itself is well made. Any shortage is due to beauracratic process not lack of supplies.

351418 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Tim Paton, 7, #955 of 2382 🔗

Possibly it’s the propaganda which is beginning to run out of oxygen.

351419 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tim Paton, 3, #956 of 2382 🔗

I read about this somewhere recently but can’t find the link! Apparently it is not about the supply of oxygen itself, but rather the supply system in the hospitals, so it’s an engineering problem to be solved. Will post link if I remember where I saw it.

351456 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #957 of 2382 🔗

No doubt there may be a problem with the preferred system used in hospitals (centralised, piped through from a single tank). But as you point out, there is no shortage of the gas itself, and self-contained canisters are available on Amazon.

The problem is with the NHS’s preferred system, and the unwillingness of managers to be even slightly flexible. Plus, perhaps, a sense that any excuse for a ‘crisis’ will be politically welcome to the regime.

351524 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Ovis, 4, #958 of 2382 🔗

The article was posted above the line one or two days ago. Apparently the solution is to spray water on the lines from the main supply tanks in cold weather, but that is too difficult for NHS staff.

351596 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #959 of 2382 🔗

Posted 9th January. The heat exchangers frost up and need the ice to be washed off by water.

351576 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ovis, 1, #960 of 2382 🔗

“Plus, perhaps, a sense that any excuse for a ‘crisis’ will be politically welcome to the regime”.

And more MUNEE!


351460 ▶▶▶ Sara, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #961 of 2382 🔗

Lockdown sceptics main narrative a few days ago

351586 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #962 of 2382 🔗

See Lockdown Sceptics 9th January 2021

351678 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Charlie Blue, #963 of 2382 🔗

I think it was here 3 or 4 days ago.
The poster was an engineer with experience in this field. The problem is that in cold weather the external heat exchanger that converts the liquid O2 to gas gets coated in ice and loses efficiency and reduces the amount of oxygen delivered. The solution used in industry is to spray water on the system to warm it up. He’d proposed this to NHS but seems to have been ignored.

351680 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tim Paton, #964 of 2382 🔗

Heard about it. Something about the fact that they store oxygen in liquid form at hospitals (gas form would require too much storage space). In winter these pipes bringing the liquid oxygen into the building freeze (not really happens in summer as warmer). They can pour water or steam over it to unfreeze the pipes but the NHS does not want to do that for some silly reason. Therefore: SORRY we dont have oxygen to save your life

351390 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #965 of 2382 🔗

Home Secretary is to host news conference this afternoon.

351409 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to p02099003, 10, #966 of 2382 🔗

I’m not listening to anything this rotten government has to say.

351427 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to p02099003, 9, #967 of 2382 🔗

Fuck the bitch and her fines

351434 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to p02099003, 5, #968 of 2382 🔗

The Poison Pygmy can’t stop the channel migrants how is she going to fine everyone?

351437 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to p02099003, 3, #969 of 2382 🔗

Priti Patel – strangely continuing the work of Idi Amin right here in the UK!

351439 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to p02099003, 1, #970 of 2382 🔗

No doubt it will be more finger wagging tosh.

351400 Andy Riley, 7, #971 of 2382 🔗

For anyone wanting to write to CEO of stores etc, here is a handy web site:

351404 Bella Donna, 4, #972 of 2382 🔗

If you do nothing else today watch this video about the Plandemic. The fact it’s been removed from social media should add further grist to the mill.


351412 New name old face, replying to New name old face, 3, #973 of 2382 🔗

I like Muge. She’s on Sage and seems very balanced to me. Many of you will not agree with anything she says, but she has acknowledged the limited risk of outdoor transmission and lockdown fatigue. That is very good for someone on Sage and we should be grateful for balanced voices even if we don’t agree with everything.


351484 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to New name old face, 6, #974 of 2382 🔗

We are in a decent position to start picking off the most fanatical public health figures now. I notice Devi Sridhar yesterday came out and said that we aren’t going to eradicate Covid. This is the type of comment that needs to be aggressively shoved back – ‘Well why did you advocate for it then? Why are we locked down? etc’

351413 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 9, #975 of 2382 🔗

I spent an hour or two this morning writing to all 16 MPs who voted against lockdowns. Got a bunch of automated emails back but so far one genuine response:

Thank you for your email and kind words.

I could not vote for this lockdown until the 31st March. Adult and child mental health issues are still being forgotten along with supermarket workers, delivery drivers, emergency services, NHS, carers, teachers, postmen and millions of low paid people who are required to go to work.

I have been consistent that lockdowns are not working, they just destroy lives and livelihoods. People transmit the disease to other people, not the Government, so we have to find a way to live with this, while still protecting the most vulnerable, as it is clear restrictions are just not obeyed by a significant percentage of people. Sadly, the Labour Party continue to support these restrictions and even complain they do not go far enough, but I will continue to vote against them.

I believe we need a targeted approach to identify hotspots and break transmissions. With lots of mass testings, shutting down those areas and faster rolling out of our three approved vaccines, we can beat this disease. However, I am a democrat and believe in democracy so I will be following the law and ask my constituents to do the same.

Best wishes,


Stephen McPartland
Member of Parliament for Stevenage

Not exactly what I would have hoped for. I had pointed out my concerns about the vaccines, but clearly that went nowhere… “beating the disease”, no not exactly… “significant percentage of people not obeying restrictions…duh!”.

Oh well it was worth the try.

351430 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Pebbles, #976 of 2382 🔗

Yes I was disappointed with his Saviour Vaccine and passion for testing but it’s an improvement on the official line and at least he supported democracy.

351446 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Pebbles, 4, #977 of 2382 🔗

Surely for this narrative to be believable they need some dissenting MPs. Wouldn’t it look weird if all MPs voted yes. I’m sceptical that any change can happen from the top. We just need to keep chipping away at the bottom to enlighten people to this bullshit. Once enough see through this then they whole illusion comes crashing down.

351478 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Andrew K, #978 of 2382 🔗

I think the dissenting MPs are genuine enough, certainly the ones I have seen speak

But even genuine sceptics find it hard to think outside the narrative and get used to the idea that this is nothing exceptional, and even if they think it they dare not say it

351575 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Andrew K, #979 of 2382 🔗

We just need to keep chipping away at the bottom” yes, absolutely. Local level, council, and other elected representatives; let them know that the electorate are paying attention. Also local businesses, the article posted yesterday from BBC news claiming lockdowns may be required for another 12 months or so, may well focus some minds to speak up louder. Hospitality, pubs, are the sorts of people who could potentially get media exposure too.

351415 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #980 of 2382 🔗

Dominic Raab currently making the case for Human Rights abuses as long as the cause is just.

351435 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #981 of 2382 🔗

So the end justifies the means.

351445 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #982 of 2382 🔗

I wonder what he believes is a reasonable and proportionate sanction for those who commit human rights abuses that are later judged by the community to have been unjustified.

351483 ▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #983 of 2382 🔗

The end justifies the means.

All evil is based on this premise.


351552 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #984 of 2382 🔗

Eventually, when the police and army go Ceaușescu on the government, he will be fine with the human rights abuses that will be carried out against him so.

351417 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #985 of 2382 🔗
351432 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #986 of 2382 🔗

I saw that one of them had a hammer and sickle tattooed on his hand. Must be a genuine Trump supporter. Lol.

351449 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 2, #987 of 2382 🔗

Well there are probably a lot who’d have voted for Sanders if he’d stood.

People who realise it’s happening are unhappy with the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer.

351422 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #988 of 2382 🔗

You know how the population is being dumbed down? We’ve just been for a walk and saw a set of traffic lights with a road sign stating do not drive through until the lights on green! 😂

351468 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #989 of 2382 🔗

Indeed. Saw a sign in Tesco’s yesterday instructing people how to wash their hands.

351429 l835, replying to l835, 26, #990 of 2382 🔗

Fuckwit comment from supermarket worker Jane on the unmasked curtesy of the ministry of information

“Of course there are people with hidden disabilities who can’t wear a mask but there can’t be that many of them.”

How does she know?

351441 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to l835, 9, #991 of 2382 🔗

In reality, the conscientious objectors must be outnumbered by those with physical disabilities who are wearing the gimp gag out of fear.

That is the nature of the society that has been created by this fascist regime.

351447 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Ovis, 4, #992 of 2382 🔗

It is. I have to visit my local animal feed store. They are the SS of covid enforcement. There is a danger I may go the full Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction if challenged…

351479 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to l835, 8, #993 of 2382 🔗
351501 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to JohnB, #994 of 2382 🔗

Not forgetting the up to £9000 for personal damages in a civil court.

351457 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to l835, 4, #995 of 2382 🔗

Another one ‘supermarkets are well ventilated, surely they can wear a mask for ten or fifteen minutes, just to buy essential items’.

351459 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to l835, 11, #996 of 2382 🔗

If you are distressed by wearing one,you don’t have to wear one. End of!

351697 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to l835, 2, #997 of 2382 🔗

Again, misunderstanding the law. If it makes you distressed, that’s enough.

352526 ▶▶ Steve Foster, replying to l835, 1, #998 of 2382 🔗

Forgive this near copy of a post I submitted last week but it is relevant here:
On my last Tesco delivery I asked the masked up driver (nice bloke) whether the management insisited on face nappies? He said no but it has been impressed upon all of them that, if they “visited an infected house,” and took the infection back to the store, that would mean all the drivers might get sick or die and that no-one would then be available to deliver groceries. I get on well with all the Tesco lads (and lass) and they have often gone the extra mile in delivering to this very remote Cumbrian house in some appalling weather so I didn’t argue but merely asked how many of his colleagues had been sick from Covid since last March. “None,” was the answer. Not one. Not even a tickly cough to share between them.

351438 karenovirus, 5, #999 of 2382 🔗

There is not a single acute mental health care bed available for women the County.
One entire stand alone ward in its own modern building has been given over to testing NHS staff for Covid.

Other Places might have rented a marquee or gazebo.

351450 Sarigan (Day 295 of lockdown), 2, #1000 of 2382 🔗


Well, it turns out a few of them are part of a Facebook Page The #Wibble Movement and their private Wibble Group . It’s a public page, where the primary goals are:

  1. Brag about successful #wibble trolling from their 10K page members
  2. Identify COVID Sceptic posts to militantly target as a group – troll, report, antagonise
  3. #wibbler of the day awards and other acts of self-righteousness
351452 New name old face, replying to New name old face, 11, #1001 of 2382 🔗

Social distancing around the world. This is absolutely brilliant…


351487 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to New name old face, 5, #1002 of 2382 🔗

This country is a fucking joke.

351490 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to New name old face, 8, #1003 of 2382 🔗

Interesting reading one or two replies on that twitter feed of Covid Zealots annoyed that people are having fun. I just wish people would reply to them and say “do you want everyone to be as miserable as you?”

351458 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1004 of 2382 🔗

Bringing back the Posse

Rumours abound (in my head) that the government are planning to bring back the good old American posse. This will allow groups of like minded individuals to band together, as long as they stick to social distancing guidelines, to hunt down covid rule breakers and bring them to justice.

Posses will be given vigilante rights and public lynchings will be available as a tool for delivering justice. Special Trees will be set aside and rope provided to facilitate this. It is not as yet known if socially distanced crowds will be allowed to attend.

This will be welcome support for the police who are at their limit of operational capacity trying to dispose of confiscated half finished takeaway coffees.

351481 ▶▶ l835, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1005 of 2382 🔗

My town still has its mediaeval stocks outside the town hall. Can we use them? (Nearly suggested this on the local fb group, but remembered they’d kicked me out…)

351488 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to l835, 1, #1006 of 2382 🔗

Ours has got a nice open space where they knocked down the much-loved town hall to provide extra parking space. Couldn’t we have a guillotine? A bit messy, but it would provide extra employment for tumbril drivers, etc.
Socially distanced viewing spaces could be provided for those who want to bring their knitting.

351509 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to Banjones, 1, #1007 of 2382 🔗

I’m sorry, we’ve left Europe now, you’ll have to have an executioner with a world beating British axe!

351557 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1008 of 2382 🔗

Oh please., let this happen. Then I can get some of my unit back together and we can form a counter posse. Let’s see who ends up in a hospital shall we ? I’m sure some middle classed Karen’s will be able to best a couple of middle aged guys in reasonable shape with combat experience and hand to hand training..Fuck your masks, come at me , please!

351464 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 20, #1009 of 2382 🔗

I encourage everyone you can to take Sainsburys and Morrisons to task. Post on their social media/email etc. Let them know that this won’t be forgotten and that if pursued you will shop elsewhere etc

The real fight has begun

351469 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to TheBigman, 16, #1010 of 2382 🔗

Voting with my wallet and shopping local. The asian near me shops couldn’t give a shit about this nonsense, so I’ll happily spend my money there.

351498 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 4, #1011 of 2382 🔗

My locals don’t give a fig

351519 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBigman, 1, #1012 of 2382 🔗

Sadly I already do not shop in either of those stores but merely for convenience.
I’ll have wait for Tesco or the co-op to try it on.

351533 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TheBigman, 6, #1013 of 2382 🔗

Call them what they are

351465 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #1014 of 2382 🔗

The accuracy of the RT-PCR test also needs to be publicised, not just the LFT as in this article

351669 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, #1015 of 2382 🔗

Lateral Flow targets an N gene. This was arrived at based on samples taken from PCR + patients. Now if PCR is your base, and that is your base for lateral flow, then what?


351470 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 27, #1016 of 2382 🔗

Whitty Shades of Grey on Twitter. It’s just started and it’s already hilarious.

“I hope you’re ready,” he grinned, “Because when I’m done, you won’t be able to sit down!”
“What are you going to do?” she gasped, her heart racing.
“Remove all the park benches.”


351627 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1017 of 2382 🔗

That is hilarious!

351694 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1018 of 2382 🔗

Socially distanced erotica.. fabulous.

351856 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1019 of 2382 🔗

Love it!


The door slowly opened and they stepped nervously into a large room filled with mysterious masked strangers.
“What is this place?” she asked.
“Morrisons,” he replied.

351477 Marialta, replying to Marialta, -13, #1020 of 2382 🔗

, https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

This research paper supports mask wearing.

351489 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Marialta, 18, #1021 of 2382 🔗

Quite a the paper

50 pages of ‘Masks might work because its common sense and our models say they could’.

File under ‘ desparate rubbish’.

351513 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bill H, 2, #1022 of 2382 🔗

About as illuminating as “Trish in Morrison’s, Clitheroe, Lancs,” being asked her opinion on masks R2 News.

351494 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Marialta, 2, #1023 of 2382 🔗

Thats a load of flim flam that contradicts itself at several stages.
Even if it was 100% proof
Still not wearing a mask
Don’t care if 82 years croak – they are over the meridian anyway

351499 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Marialta, 4, #1024 of 2382 🔗

Models then? Sweden is a good control and look, the same effect. File under Model Masturbation

351515 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Marialta, 5, #1025 of 2382 🔗

Just about all of this ‘evidence’ has come since the politicization of mask-wearing in 2020.

Just take a look at pre-2020 research compared to since April/May this year.

Earlier research has also partly been scrubbed from the Internet.

Soviet ‘Science’

…and of course the largest RCT – from Denmark this year – showed no measurable benefit from masking.

We all know how eas it was for them to get that published.

351527 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to rockoman, 1, #1026 of 2382 🔗

Ivor Cummins has pointed exactly this out, and described it in the same way that you have. The new Lysenkoism.

351654 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Marialta, 1, #1027 of 2382 🔗

It even says evidence for community mask wearing is based on a single Chinese study of 350 people or soin Beijing in March. So all of this political debate since and that is the only study which they can cite to defend masks in the community?

Jesus Christ

351671 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Marialta, #1028 of 2382 🔗

There have been decades of research into whether mask wearing in the general population reduces the spread of respiratory illnesses. It doesn’t. The WHO changing it’s advice due to pressure from mask fetish organisations doesn’t change that fact.

352215 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Marialta, #1029 of 2382 🔗

its not real research its just a listing of other papers and referring to them none of which seem to be accepted. Coughing on at petri dish at 20 cm blah. It looks for papers withy some support for their supposition then fits them together as evidence.

351486 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 52, #1030 of 2382 🔗

Just hit Morrison’s myself and five more skeptics three are members of the Hell’s Angel’s the security guard obviously valued his life so decided not to say a word,I then asked to see the manager regarding the companies stance on masking,and requested a written statement, manager appeared only to admit he didn’t want to cause trouble and we were free to shop maskless, even going as far as to say that “Lockdowns were Bollocks”couldn’t agree more..

351500 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1031 of 2382 🔗

Sound chap.

351536 ▶▶ l835, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #1032 of 2382 🔗

Have always found the HA and Outlaws to be true gentlemen. Several stopped and helped me when my car broke down. The normals just drove past.

351541 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to l835, 4, #1033 of 2382 🔗

Yep quite correct, my friend’s do a lot for charity toy runs, help the aged etc.

351578 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to l835, 1, #1034 of 2382 🔗

But remember kids, anarchy/v oluntaryism is bad, mkay.

351491 stevie, replying to stevie, 12, #1035 of 2382 🔗

From The Telegraph:
Metropolitan Police chief Dame Cressida Dick said London officers would be prepared to assist supermarket staff if customers became “obstructive and aggressive” when they were told they must wear a face covering.
Her comments came as supermarket workers expressed the difficulties in getting proof from customers who claim they are exempt from wearing a mask, while others have suffered abuse from shoppers after asking them to follow the rules.

351496 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to stevie, 14, #1036 of 2382 🔗

She should be fired. For a lesbian you’d think she’d understand discrimination

351497 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stevie, 12, #1037 of 2382 🔗

Getting people fighting in the aisles was always part of the mask plan.

351502 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to stevie, 6, #1038 of 2382 🔗

Dick has a BA Hons in scissoring and not much else

351521 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1039 of 2382 🔗

As John Cleese, in the days when he was funny, used to say of Terry Gilliam: a B.A. in basketweaving.

351534 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to stevie, 7, #1040 of 2382 🔗

I’m sure all those families who have lost youngsters to knife crime are much reassured by her comments.

351540 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 7, #1041 of 2382 🔗

And Jean Charles de Menezes family

351565 ▶▶ Suey, replying to stevie, 7, #1042 of 2382 🔗

What about the masked people who are obstructive and aggressive? It’s mostly them.

351600 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stevie, #1043 of 2382 🔗


351656 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to stevie, 2, #1044 of 2382 🔗

FFS! Does she not know what the law is or does she not care? No proof is required as per government guidelines.

351492 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #1045 of 2382 🔗

Binmen have just collected the Christmas empties. Nice set of lads and I notice none of them have been wearing masks at any point or doing the pavement shuffle any time someone comes within twenty feet of them.

351506 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #1046 of 2382 🔗

And considering what they have to deal with they’ve got more reason than most to mask up! The truth is that if you concentrate on avoiding contact with pathogens beyond what is sensible, i.e. prudent basic hygiene, you will diminish your immune system.

351507 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 3, #1047 of 2382 🔗

We should have let the virus rip. Because it would rip like a fart

351531 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to mhcp, #1048 of 2382 🔗


351512 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 17, #1049 of 2382 🔗

The relentless scapegoating of non-mask wearers in MSM over the last few days is a stark warning to all of us. It will not be long before this starts getting violent. And if you think this is bad with masks, just wait until later this year when the government holds a gun to the head of all those who have refused to take the vaccine. They will make the lifting of restrictions for everybody entirely contingent on 100% vaccine take up. I shudder to think how ugly this could get.

351522 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Richard O, 5, #1050 of 2382 🔗

This is the hill we die on. And we both know it.


351532 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 3, #1051 of 2382 🔗

Yes, and for me death is absolutely preferable to the dystopian nightmare that will be guaranteed if things go this far. I just hope it all makes sense from the other side.

351535 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Richard O, 1, #1052 of 2382 🔗

Agreed. And yes, it will. You know that too.

351549 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Richard O, 3, #1053 of 2382 🔗

“I’d rather be atomized than communized.” President Eisenhower.

351529 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Richard O, 10, #1054 of 2382 🔗

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can (and will) make you commit atrocities.

351538 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JayBee, 2, #1055 of 2382 🔗

One of my favourite quotes of all time. Voltaire’s penetrating insight applies to the entirety of human history.

351795 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, 2, #1056 of 2382 🔗

Haven’t got the exact quote to hand, but the one towards the end of Candide where one of the characters lists all the misfortunes they’ve all gone through, and says despite all that ‘is there anything worse than sitting here and doing nothing’ (or something that.

Sums up my feelings about this shitshow.

Ironically enough, Voltaire learnt a great deal about freedom, in all its guises, during his two and a bit years in England.

351530 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Richard O, 11, #1057 of 2382 🔗

Getting people to to take a vaccine they don’t want will be an entirely different Ball game,non mask wearing is a small minority compered to those that will refuse the snake oil things may well get ugly but it will be to the skeptics advantage..

351570 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1058 of 2382 🔗

Given that we are being governed by a gang of criminal thugs, they will use every method in the mafia toolkit – bribery, extortion, fraud etc. – to secure compliance of an absolute majority of the population. Once this has been achieved, outright violence will be used to coerce anyone remaining. Denial of access to basic services, work and money combined with assassinations of prominent public figures opposing the vaccine. This will be the “hot war” phase of operations for the racketeers.

351781 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, 1, #1059 of 2382 🔗

Hi Richard – don’t know if you saw my post to you of about 8 this morning. Nothing much, just that I dug out that Churchill quote I mentioned to you last evening after your perceptive post. Here’s a link to the post.


351967 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to TJN, 1, #1060 of 2382 🔗

Thanks for the Churchill passage, very enlightening. There is nothing new under the sun.

351990 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, 1, #1061 of 2382 🔗

It chimed so much with what you wrote last evening. And very apposite.

351786 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #1062 of 2382 🔗

Yes, I agree. I know several people in that camp.

351514 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1063 of 2382 🔗

Here we go again – BBC 12:58
Care providers urged to take more discharged patients Urgent talks have been taking place to try to get more care homes to accept discharged Covid-positive patients to ease pressures on hospitals.
In one meeting, involving government and NHS officials as well as care provider organisations, the situation is said to have been described as war-like.
Would that like be a war er like where loads of people get killed?

351544 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1064 of 2382 🔗

Wars usually have defining characteristics – such as strategy. Chain of command. Notifiable ways forward if any deviations from the expected. Stormin’ Norman’s Desert Storm strategy reportedly fit on a piece of A4 paper, the Government’s covid rules require a spreadsheet with lord knows how many pages and about 400 rows per sheet to try and keep up with the measurements of scotch eggs & whether a salad constitutes a proper meal…most importantly wars generally have one other significant thing. An Exit strategy!

351516 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #1065 of 2382 🔗

I saw this response on a Dan Hodges Twitter thread. Nothing to do with the poster, I just wanted to comment on this idea that we cannot protect the vulnerable (so easily).

Lets look at what we could have done and what we actually did:

  1. What we could have done – made a concerted effort to protect as many of the most vulnerable as possible and thus reduce the death toll dramatically. We may not have been able to identify and protect everyone but that does not make it too hard to even try
  2. What we actually got – Isolate everyone and hope that the most vulnerable don’t catch it.

That’s it. Lockdowns or any other restrictions are a strategy based on hope.

IanW https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f499.svg

You cannot protect the vulnerable so easily – they need to interract with society like everyone else. We also need to reduce the infection rate to stop the hospitals being overwhelmed. So far lockdown is the only mechanism which has worked. When numbers are lower, test track…

.. trace and isolate could do the job (as in New Zealand), if a decent system using local public health was put in place.

351526 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1066 of 2382 🔗

The Mayor of Tubingen just tried it, successfully.
Of course, he is vilified for it.

351630 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1067 of 2382 🔗

New Zealand. Yes. That golden ship of success.

Do these people not find it strange that not a single western country followed the NZ model successfully. Was this all down to one week in March as Labour would like to claim?

NZ is an outlier, not a model. And it’s got 5m people. Not 70m. And you want to track and trace every infection yeah? OK then. How about another 20bn shall that do it?


351517 stefarm, 11, #1068 of 2382 🔗

Just walked past one of our wonderful NHS heroes in her uniform proud as punch wearing sunglasses and a black gimp mask and for a split second I thought she had a black bucket on her head!

351518 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #1069 of 2382 🔗


Professor Ludwigsson Sweden, who published the article in New Eng J Med showing the low frequency of severe C-19 amongst children and also that teachers in those schools had half the risk of contracting C-19, has been threatened since publishing the article. Thousands of abusive tweets and he has been forced to report this to the police. It must be something desperate among the LD fanatics which seems to be disappointed in not more deaths in children and teachers.

351550 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1070 of 2382 🔗

Yes it is strange. Any good news rather than being welcomed as adding to the information we have in order for us to make informed decisions is instead attacked as a challenge to the faith. One group is acting like scientists and one like a religious cult.

351556 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1071 of 2382 🔗

One of the most shocking developments thus far, I have to say.
Do you have the NEJM link? I feel the need to screenshot.

351642 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1073 of 2382 🔗


351520 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 15, #1074 of 2382 🔗

The full Na** Bavarian PM has apparently decreed that henceforth people can only go into a supermarket with an FFP2 mask on.
In light of this, the UK’s nudging crackdown, Ioannidis recent paper on the futility and harm of lockdowns, Sweden’s much better numbers and the UK’s and Germany’s ever worsening ones, I think it is safe to declare today the day where those 2 countries, its politicians, businesses and people have, bar for a very tiny minority, completely and officially have lost their mind and gone fully insane.
Einstein would most certainly agree.

351585 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to JayBee, 6, #1075 of 2382 🔗

On the one hand, I would grudgingly admit that at least there is some recognition of the futility of wearing a cloth or paper mask. I’ve always thought that if you really believe in masks (and think, foolishly, that this virus is so dangerous to most people), then a ‘proper’ mask is what should be required. Of course, you would need to issue these to the entire population – good luck with that – and then there are questions of legitimate exemptions, etc.

On the other hand, the Bavarian premier is bonkers, as are those who believe this nonsense. With any luck, this will be the turning point for Bavaria, although perhaps it will need to be the imposition of compulsory hazmat suits before Bavarians figure this out.

351811 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Tom in Scotland, #1076 of 2382 🔗

Correct. I stated that early on, that the cloth masks etc. are completely useless and that their acceptance proved that mask mandates are just Gessler hats.
One also needs to know that Soeder, like all politicians, only wore cloth mask with their regions logo on it, like Sturgeon, and that his wife produces masks!
So yes, they might signal that they finally take it medically more serious than politically with masks and this change, but even if those masks worked (if they do, why do we have so many infections from hospitals and in care homes…) they neglect the fitting necessity and teaching the people to use them properly- have you ever seen someone who disinfects their hands 3x per mask use, as necessary?!
And: each mask costs a 5er and is single use.
Quite a premium for ones shopping, especially for the ‘deoplorables’.

351927 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Tom in Scotland, #1077 of 2382 🔗

I would also add that the fact that they are often not recognizing and even confiscating the for an exemption mandatory medical certificates and are even prosecuting the doctors who issued them there shows clearly, that this mask mandatee is neither about health nor the law, not even with FFP2 ones, but solely about obedience.
Like all Gessler’s hats were, are and will be.
But this one is the first one that also harms the wearer/greater.
And not even the Nazis went that far.

351597 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to JayBee, 2, #1078 of 2382 🔗

Go out wearing a WWII gas mask.

351638 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to thinkaboutit, #1079 of 2382 🔗

That’s what Bruce Reynolds who posts on here does.

351528 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #1080 of 2382 🔗

It’s got to a point where if a study came out proving for a fact that covid isn’t as deadly as people have been led to believe it would be deemed as dangerous.

This would likely apply to just about anything that goes against the narrative.

351551 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1081 of 2382 🔗

We’ve only got to listen to what (unelected) Wittery had to say about it back in May. He believed it then – I’ve not heard that he issued a retraction. If he said it now, he’d be ”cancelled”!


(I know I keep posting this link, but it’s priceless!)

351537 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, #1082 of 2382 🔗

Any idea how the “clapping” campaign is going. I haven’t seen anything recently, but then I haven’t gone looking for the info.

351543 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #1083 of 2382 🔗

It fell on it’s arse as it deserved to.

351547 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #1084 of 2382 🔗

It seems the latest Pavlovian response test has failed. The Party is beginning to worry, that’s why the BS has been turned up to 11.

351660 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1085 of 2382 🔗

Anyone clapping is a collaborator

351545 Banjones, 3, #1086 of 2382 🔗

I have been watching ”Front Page” on Youtube – up to now informative about the US shenanigans. Yesterday the presenter saw fit to spout the usual ‘covid’ propaganda to tell everyone the ”deaths are soaring” stuff. Imagine my horror when Madge and that disgusting Funguson (thanks for the name whoever invented it) were held up as representatives of the UK’s ”struggle” against the ”soaring” UK figures. One unqualified and generaly despised person pushing the party line, and the other dishonoured and dishonest. How utterly embarrassing to see these two on US media.

I wasn’t the only one incandescent in the sudden lowering of standards of the site.

351546 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 16, #1087 of 2382 🔗

If supermarkets can open 24 hours and can have an hour for essential workers and vulnerable people only (how they can tell this is beyond me), then why not put some time aside for people who are exempt from wearing masks to do their shopping?

This will ensure that people who are scared of getting the virus who are not exempt will not put their lives in more unnecessary danger because they will know to avoid the supermarkets during these periods.

Some sort of traffic light system at the door:


There’s only about 0.0357% of people who are selfish enough to not wear one or who are actually medically exempt, so we only need about 30.8448 seconds a day (86400 * 0.0357%) for them to do their shopping.

Obviously any staff that work there for these 30.8448 seconds should be paid an extra 27p an hour danger money.

A similar system could be used for small businesses. Most will only need one light bulb.

AMBER meaning “we don’t give a fuck, please come in here and spend your money so we can keep society going”

351555 ▶▶ l835, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #1088 of 2382 🔗

Our hour would be 2-3am. We should be made to suffer!

351561 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to l835, 4, #1089 of 2382 🔗

What they will probably do, now that the 3m thing has been mooted is make anyone who can’t wear a mask stand outside, giving preference to mask-wearers.

351682 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to l835, 1, #1090 of 2382 🔗

Maybe some kind teenagers would invite us to an illegal rave afterward? Might as well make a night of it.

351553 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1091 of 2382 🔗

Latest BBC fear porn: worst excess deaths since WW2. Hubby sent it me, he seems to positively gloat over this kind of headline. Anyone have an alternative take?

Last year saw the largest increase in deaths in a single year in more than 70 years, according to provisional figures from the Office for National Statistics.

In 2020, nearly 697,000 deaths were registered, compared with an average of nearly 606,000 each year between 2015 and 2019.

This is the largest increase, or “excess”, in a single year since 1940.

It is likely to return death rates in the UK to levels last seen in the mid-2000s.

351559 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to HelzBelz, 16, #1092 of 2382 🔗

Anyone have an alternative take?”

Yes, get a toyboy.

351569 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1093 of 2382 🔗

Population increase accounts for some it but my first thought is that some of this is deaths directly resulting from lockdown, not COVID

351572 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #1094 of 2382 🔗

The population is larger now. It looks like this BBC propaganda is using raw numbers, not percentages.

351591 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #1095 of 2382 🔗

Average age is much higher too.

351622 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 295 of lockdown), replying to Tom in Scotland, #1096 of 2382 🔗
351574 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #1097 of 2382 🔗

you would expect an excess if you purposely send infected people into care homes

the point is lockdown #1 wasn’t necessary and neither are lockdowns #2 and #3

the only thing they do is cause a lot of death and suffering

351579 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #1098 of 2382 🔗

Honestly, I don’t think we will ever know what exactly has caused these excess deaths, but we can probably suggest a few not related to covid…

  • A expected rise in deaths to mirror a growing population (it usually increases every year)
  • Additional deaths of the most vulnerable due to lowish 2019 mortality (the dry tinder theory)
  • Rush to use ventilators early in March / April
  • Discharging 20,000+ elderly people from hospital in March / April and not providing adequate care
  • Scaring people not to seek medical attention during March / April / May – stay at home + save lives (even if that means you also die!)
  • Lots of missed diagnoses throughout the year as people have not been to see a doctor
  • Isolating the elderly for prolonged periods is likely to increase the impacts of ageing
  • Plus lots of others

The reality is there be multiple small reasons, rather than one big reason. But this takes time to explain to people.

351588 ▶▶▶ Tommo, replying to Tommo, 3, #1099 of 2382 🔗

But the point we really should be stressing is that a lot of this excess death is a result of lockdown measures, rather than the virus.

351589 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1100 of 2382 🔗

Tell him to get a grip and stop watching fear porn.

352255 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to HelzBelz, #1101 of 2382 🔗

“worst excess deaths since WW2.”

This is not giving any weight to the increase in population since 1945 (around 35%)

This comes from a Guardian article online

The death toll is second in absolute terms to the record set in 1918, when 611,861 people died at the peak of the flu pandemic in England and Wales. However, the crude mortality rate was 1,798 per 100,000 people in 1918, when approximately 38.4 million people lived in England and Wales, compared to a rate of 1,016 last year.

Note it is referring to England and Wales – not the U.K.

[Population in Eng. and Wales today is over 58 million]

I’d like to see a graph showing mortality rates per 100,000 for the last hundred years.

1957 and 1968 (years of a major flu epidemic) I suspect will be close to the rate for 2020 if not higher.

351560 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #1102 of 2382 🔗


TLDR Bearded chaplain refused entry to prison as he would not cut his beard – beards not allowed due to COVID19.

You wonder if he was Sikh, would this rule apply?

351564 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1103 of 2382 🔗

beards not allowed due to COVID19.”

Bad news for Martha Hancock.

351616 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1104 of 2382 🔗

Does that mean cressida is not allowed into HM Prisons?
She’s defo a beard

351566 Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, 12, #1105 of 2382 🔗

So on the subject of Morrisons and Sainsburys being utter twats…

If we accept that a virus cannot fit through the holes in a mask, then by extrapolation, I am unable to fit through the doors at their supermarkets. By this logic, the rules they’ve put in place are pointless – since I can’t get in anyway.

Not sure this will hold up in court but it makes sense to me.

351649 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #1106 of 2382 🔗

The primary factor is that they are willing to discriminate against people with disabilities – unforgivable

351567 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #1107 of 2382 🔗

COVID-1984 UPDATE |08-01-21

We now have more than enough utterly compelling prima facie evidence to proceed with the PCP against the UK government for Pandemic Fraud.
The final papers are now being prepared and will be laid in a criminal court at the earliest opportunity.
Whilst the exact details of the charges we are about to lay will not be disclosed until the papers have been laid, here is the most chilling aspect of what we have established.
A few days ago, I disclosed that heavily censored WHO data shows that the 2019-20 flu shots are known to kill 377 out of every 100,000 healthy adults.
Well, after we examined UK government data from September 2019 to January 2021, we discovered that:
1. 28 million people have had the flu shot during that period.
2. 104,000 of those people have died.
3. 28,000,000 / 100,000 = 280 [x 377] = 105,560 fatal adverse events.
That’s a margin of error amounting to just 0.56% between predicted and actual deaths.
If the criminal government had not indemnified all the vaxx developers, manufacturers and those administering them they would all now be dealing with the consequences of their heinous crimes.
Therefore, in addition to the litany of COVID-1984 frauds alleged, the defendants in the PCP will also be defending charges of conspiracy to commit mass murder by lethal injection.
Is it any wonder that they want to legislate to silence and imprison so called ‘anti-vaxxers’?
Nevertheless, they will find that nefarious objective impossible to achieve when they are banged up in Belmarsh for their murderous crimes against their own people.

This has been submitted under the Peoples Union of Britain PUB – join the PUB and rally to the developments for the New Era


351728 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Basics, #1109 of 2382 🔗

1. 28 million people have had the flu shot during that period.
2. 104,000 of those people have died.
3. 28,000,000 / 100,000 = 280 [x 377] = 105,560 fatal adverse events.

Perhaps I’m missing something here but how many would be expected to die from a sample of 28 million. Given that a big proportion of those who had the flu jab were likely to be in the elderly/vulnerable category 104k doesn’t seem particularly high.

351568 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 23, #1110 of 2382 🔗

Dirty, Lying Bastards.

1 in 3 people actually have coronavirus, they just don’t know it!!

This is what it say’s on the UK government website. This was added on 10/01/2021.


Dirty, Scummy Bastards.

That’s like saying to people who have absolutely no money, “you do have money, you just don’t know it”

Unbelievable. Why the fuck there has not been mass civil disobedience (by that I mean riots) by now absolutely astounds me.

351580 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 12, #1111 of 2382 🔗

Why the fuck there has not been mass civil disobedience by now absolutely astounds me.

Exactly. Just what will be the tipping point. When they come for their pets/their pensions/their savings/Netflix/scrap Strictly ….

351590 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to kh1485, 6, #1112 of 2382 🔗

Knowing how stupid the sheep are, it will be the Netflix & Strictly option….everything else is sacrificial as it is a source of the spread of the “virus” it seems.


351602 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to kh1485, 3, #1113 of 2382 🔗

Convinience is the opiate of the masses.

But on the bright side, the gilded cage crowd will be reeling when the fall comes, you’ll have a head start because you won’t be dealing with the emotional fallout of shock.

There isn’t much else you can do but prepare your mind. I recommend Socrates, Epictetus, Seneca the Younger, Marcus Aurelius, James Stockdale, and taking their lessons on board ASAP.

351641 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to kh1485, 2, #1114 of 2382 🔗

Probably a lot down to state sponsorship. 100% pay for anyone on the goevernment payroll and furlogh for many others. There are groups of us with nothing, but we are spread widely and with the laws there to fine us out of our rent payments we’d struggle to get together…

Maybe online protests through zoom and other online meeting channels. Crash their servers…

351581 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 9, #1115 of 2382 🔗

I agree with your sentiments but think it through.

If that is true, then what does it imply about the danger of this.

I think it actually quite possible at this time of year, because of the well known seasonality of coronaviruses,, and if true, then it shows not only how lacking in danger this virus is, but also how futile and useless any methods are in stopping the spread.

351593 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 8, #1116 of 2382 🔗

Because most people are thick, ask anybody on the street ‘what does asymptomatic mean’ and I bet you they will give you a blank look.

Before April I never knew what it meant so I looked it up and it’s crap. They assume because someone on the idiot box told them it must be true.

351598 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to stefarm, 1, #1117 of 2382 🔗

Very true, I have tried to make the point to some people of, how can you spread something when you don’t have it in the first place????

That’s like saying to people who have absolutely no money at all, don’t spend it.
How can you spend something that you don’t have???

351966 ▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #1118 of 2382 🔗

Sadly, that’s the whole basis of credit slavery. Easy borrowing, lifetime debt.

351599 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #1119 of 2382 🔗

I believe what it means is that 1 in 3 people who have the virus don’t show symptoms, not 1 in 3 of all people have the virus.

However the wording could be deliberate to make people think it applies to the whole population.

351603 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1120 of 2382 🔗

Well this wording is complete bollocks:

Around 1 in 3 people have coronavirus (COVID-19) without displaying any symptoms.

Coronavirus is the virus, Covid-19 is the disease. They are clearly conflating having a few innocuous virus floating around with actually having a disease, which they’ve already muddled by defining cases as anyone with the virus (or positive PCR test, which we also know is bollocks) not an actual medical case, which requires some symptoms. Bollocks on top of bollocks.

351698 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to zacaway, 1, #1121 of 2382 🔗

That’s about the same proportion for asymptomatic influenza, but no preventative action is taken regarding such situations.

351605 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #1122 of 2382 🔗

So you might have it and not know it, but you must protect yourself by all means the government deem necessary because it’s so deadly.

No wonder the majority are losing the plot, the cognitive dissonance is astounding.

351623 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 8, #1123 of 2382 🔗

I’ve said before on here that the reason there has not been mass civil disobedience is because people are just trying to get on with life as much as they can right now and are probably secretly transgressing in their own small ways, and so don’t feel the need to rebel. Look outside, there are many more cars on the road and people out and about than in the first lockdown.

351635 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Poppy, 5, #1124 of 2382 🔗

I think that this is true, but also I think there’s a weird psychological phenomenon, that people have genuinely forgotten that this isn’t the way it’s supposed to be. I catch it happening to myself – I get so absorbed in the latest insanity that I almost find myself nostalgic for the ‘freedom’ of last August. Then I give myself a stern talking to.

But I think there’s a significant number of people who just don’t remember a time when it wasn’t normal for the government to dictate what we can do in every single part of our lives.

351653 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #1125 of 2382 🔗

Also means in 10 days 1 in 3 will not need a vaccine as they’ll be immune

351700 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #1126 of 2382 🔗

On that basis, in 2 weeks, those 1 in 3 will be COVID free and immune.

351571 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 9, #1127 of 2382 🔗
351776 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to rockoman, 1, #1128 of 2382 🔗

With probably proportionately the most unhealthy, obese, eldest and most at risk of severe Covid people….

351584 Ewan Duffy, 3, #1129 of 2382 🔗


The “health service” in Ireland has fallen to the same problem as the NHS – reduced staff due to COVID isolations.

351595 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 15, #1130 of 2382 🔗

Latest ONS data out today, week 53 of 53 reporting periods for 2020.

Latest total weekly deaths, 10,069, RIGHT ON THE AVERAGE FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR!

These deaths include Covid19 attributions, cancers, suicides etc etc.

Analysing the data for the last ten years (2010 to 2020) the average weekly deaths (absolute numbers, not population adjusted) are 10,351! No consideration of winter or summer, high or low flu seasons etc. According to the ONS (estimates and projections) the UK population has grown by 7% since 2010.

I’m going to do some more work on averages – excess deaths based on 5 year averages and non population adjustment don’t seem to make much sense to me.

One other thought comes to mind. We are now into 20121 and thus the beginning of a new reporting year. Note how the Covid19 deaths are still being totalled from the beginning of the ‘pandemic’. If we did this for flu, i.e. kept totalling, imagine how many MILLIONS would be reported as dead since 1918!


351614 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DavidC, 2, #1131 of 2382 🔗

Yes. Vernon Coleman pointed this out in Summer. It’s multiple seasons for Covid deaths, not for anything else.

351617 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to DavidC, 1, #1132 of 2382 🔗

It they did that with every disease, counted from when it was first recognised !!

351681 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to DanClarke, #1133 of 2382 🔗

Even better, imagine if they did that with total deaths, whether disease or natural, from the beginning of human civilisation! BILLIONS DEAD! PANIC!


351601 Basics, replying to Basics, 13, #1134 of 2382 🔗

David Kurten
I’ve just been to a London Assembly meeting about Covid. Anyone not accepting the Con/Lab/MSM lockdown & vax plan are referred to as ‘malicious people’ & ‘anti-vaxxers’ who spread ‘misinformation’ & ‘conspiracy theories’. This is to be countered with ‘heartbreaking stories’.


351606 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Basics, 8, #1135 of 2382 🔗

So no change from the current demonisation then?

351611 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 4, #1136 of 2382 🔗

‘Let is rip’ smears is all.


351612 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Basics, 6, #1137 of 2382 🔗

A good man. But the covidfanatics appear to be the same ones who cancel out everything they don’t like, no debate required.

351769 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1138 of 2382 🔗

Their favourite:
‘The science is settled’

The very definition of being unscientific.

351604 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 26, #1139 of 2382 🔗

Just got a 24 hour posting ban on Fakebook.

A woman described non mask wearers and those who don’t follow the rules as selfish.
I responded by saying to the poster that she was the selfish one by forcing untold numbers to die of untreated cancers, social isolation and suicide, and said that masks don’t work anyway (with a link to the November 17th meta analysis of mask effectiveness.

So, they can call us selfish, but we can’t call them selfish because that is bullying and harassment.

I have appealed the decision, but it’s unlikely they’ll get around to dealing with it.

351607 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1140 of 2382 🔗

Facebook is officially one big echo chamber. They can have it.

351609 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1141 of 2382 🔗

I am not on Facebook.

Thank you for fighting the good fight

351610 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #1142 of 2382 🔗

Don’t waste your time, Facebook is just an extension of the BBC comments section.

351620 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 3, #1143 of 2382 🔗

No, the other sceptics on there need encouragement and reinforcement. I suppose I would have been deleted if I’d mentioned “Stop the Steal.” Great business model, however, destroying your own customers. I’m on Gab now as Welshman902.

351608 Bob Jones, 2, #1144 of 2382 🔗

There is a phenomenon I’ve noticed in recent weeks regarding the number of people encountered when I go out for exercise.

I’ve cycled regularly all my life, and over time you start to notice various patterns that form. Some patterns you might not notice in a car, like the effect different types of trees have on tarmac surfaces, or how good a job car tyres do at keeping road surfaces debris-free.

When cycle lanes are drawn motorists tend to keep out of them with the result that debris builds up in the lanes. Some motorists still drive in cycle lanes, for example lanes tend to be cleaner on left-hand bends than right-hand bends. The outside half is usually cleaner than the inside half. However, one of the recent problems I’ve noticed is with bollards being used to section off cycle lanes. That keeps motorists out completely, so no more debris removal.

One human pattern that’s changed quite significantly in recent weeks was evident again yesterday. Like Boris, I did a 14-mile round trip, but out into the Suffolk countryside. In the countryside I noticed slightly fewer people that usual, but in a two-mile radius of my own village I noticed many more than usual. For example, on a 100-yard path connecting two roads I would normally encounter one or two people, often none, but yesterday I counted 14 people and two dogs. Also in the countryside there are certain places where cars are often parked at the roadside. They’re obviously places where people are off rambling in the woods or walking along river banks. Those spaces are nearly all empty now.

My hunch is that, while more people are obviously out exercising due to having to spend so much time at home, many people who would normally get into a car (isolated from everyone around them), drive to a remote rural spot, and then go for a walk in a less concentrated area, are now banned from doing so and exercise instead in their local areas where they’re encountering many more people.

351613 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 16, #1145 of 2382 🔗

Just a reminder that there is an alternative to Twatter: Gab. Simon Dolan has moved over there: https://gab.com/Simondolan

A lockdown sceptics group has been setup:

Let’s stop supporting the enemy’s cheerleaders and censors.

351618 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to zacaway, 2, #1146 of 2382 🔗

James Delingpole also on Gab.

351634 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 2, #1147 of 2382 🔗


Dick Delingpole

Posie Parker

351646 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1148 of 2382 🔗


351632 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to zacaway, #1149 of 2382 🔗

I tried to view Simon’s gabs (?) but it appeared that I’d have to sign up. Is that right?

351648 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to arfurmo, #1150 of 2382 🔗

I’ve signed up but the site is incredibly slow and all I get is ‘that page is missing’ or ‘something went wrong our end’.

351655 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Paul, 2, #1151 of 2382 🔗

Yeah, it is struggling to keep up with demand. Seems a lot of people are trying to switch. I gather that several twitter staff have quit and have been rehired by gab. Patience…

351661 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Paul, 3, #1152 of 2382 🔗

Gab is trying to keep up with demand at the mo
They have their own infrastructure so be patient

351666 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1153 of 2382 🔗

It is having a few teething problems with a sudden increase in demand, but you should be able to see his posts without logging in. e.g.

351768 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1154 of 2382 🔗

No, no need to sign up

Site is slow

351652 ▶▶ New name old face, replying to zacaway, 2, #1155 of 2382 🔗

I’m trying as best I can to avoid an echo chamber. I’ve recently started following a lot of scientists on Twitter and there is a difference in how they communicate. I’m learning a lot. Also fascinating to see who they follow too. I always thank those who see things from different perspectives and are not extreme. I think they like it.

I like to hear James and Simon and feel I’m part of the same group etc but I think I need a break from hearing the same info. I want to hear what we’re up against and will try to influence that a little.

I also feel I don’t want to experience the extremes and divisiveness. I’m very concerned it will play into the story of the sceptic nutters. And that gives them lots of ammunition for social shaming and claiming non-science etc.

351931 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to New name old face, #1156 of 2382 🔗

That’s all fine and perfectly sensible, but it’s vital to keep in mind what is happening here. People on the right and on the sceptical side, like traditionalists and “racists” etc before them, aren’t leaving Twitter etc because they want an echo chamber or don’t want to engage with opposing opinions – quite the opposite. Those people are being banned by Twitter etc, or being censored and harassed to the point where honest free discussion is simply not practicable.

Twitter etc are intentionally creating an echo chamber (as, more broadly the “woke” and pc have made an echo chamber of society as a whole over the past few decades, to the extent they have been able – that’s what political correctness, “no platforming” and cancel culture are all about). If there is any kind of echo chamber on genuine free speech platforms like Gab etc it’s solely because people choose not to go there for political etc reasons, generally in order to avoid having to discuss freely with dissenters.

This is not an even-handed situation.

A bit like with lockdown, by complying you enable. By worrying about guilt by association, “social shaming” etc you reinforce its power and make the problem worse.

351686 ▶▶ John001, replying to zacaway, 2, #1157 of 2382 🔗

I don’t like echo chambers. Very unhealthy in a democracy. Social media would be better if they suggested listening to people outside your ‘comfort zone’. That’s how governments in most European countries are formed (PR).

I follow people ranging from Peter Hitchens and JHB to Richard Murply and Dr Phil Hammond and even Jeremy Clarkson, an utter maverick. COVID illustrated that some people I’d expect to be in my terms level-headed and sensible aren’t, and vice versa.

351706 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to John001, 1, #1158 of 2382 🔗

That would be fine, except twitter is censoring people it decides it doesn’t like or don’t follow it’s editorial line. People should be free to listen to/read whoever they want, and ignore if they don’t.

351687 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to zacaway, 2, #1159 of 2382 🔗

I’ll try later when they have invested in new hardware to cope with demand. Not really that interested in Twitler etc, but I want Twitler to realise that they are going to pay for their fascist behaviour.

351615 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 22, #1160 of 2382 🔗

So BBC runs with the scaremongering headline that 2020 saw ‘the most excess deaths since WWII’. Yet in the article itself the BBC admits that once adjusted for age and population growth, 2020 was only the worst year for excess deaths since the 2000s. Of course, disingenuous MSM journalists will no doubt quote the headline as is.

And how many of those excess deaths are due to lockdown? The government literally kicked people out of hospital and left them to die, as well as scared people so much that they refused to seek treatment. Of course if you deny people medical care, they are going to die.

There has never before been a policy as damaging as lockdown in this country so I am convinced that it has contributed to these excess deaths that we are seeing.

351619 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Poppy, 13, #1161 of 2382 🔗

The BBC are without shame and obviously pushing agendas, for whatever reason – discredit the govt, they love lockdowns, goodness knows why they are doing what they are doing

351636 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 8, #1162 of 2382 🔗

I think the disinformation campaign/nudge unit/propaganda etc has worked on BBC employees as much as its worked on the rest of the population (barring Nick Triggle).

When you hear Emily Maitless shrieking ‘mutant strain’ and ‘NHS overwhelmed’, I think she believes it.

351668 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to steve_w, 4, #1163 of 2382 🔗

The Preying Maitlis, natural habitat BBC, close relative of the cockroach.

351676 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to steve_w, 1, #1164 of 2382 🔗

It wouldn’t surprise me. Her degree was in English, she’s unlikely to know anything about microbiology, virology or epidemiology.


351695 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Julian, #1165 of 2382 🔗

If you recognised that those who are on board are in a self-justified sense of war, then you would start to wonder what their ‘worldview is’. Meanwhile they are actively shaping yours.

351767 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Binra, #1166 of 2382 🔗

I think have an idea what their worldview is and don’t share it

They may be trying to shape mine; don’t think it’s working

351657 ▶▶ I Got A Letter, replying to Poppy, 3, #1167 of 2382 🔗

Couldn’t believe this headline when I saw it earlier, my pro-lockdown buddies were quick to send. How utterly disingenuous not to account for population – the article needs to be forwarded to the BBC’s own REALITY CHECK for debunking. Christ, honestly this would be the quickest thing to be labelled DISINFORMATION, BASELESS RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY if it came from us.

351692 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Poppy, 2, #1168 of 2382 🔗

You wouldn’t put it that way if you were on the other side of the balance sheet – or balance of societal control.
So a true account has to show both sides of the account.
Its a redistribution of wealth and power.
As a contraction of consciousness to a subspecies under systemic control.
The framework of what people take as their thinking is for the most part set in terms that cannot reach or articulate their own condition.
On the other hand, the fear of life or truth is denied by the mind that provides such unconsciousness in displacement, and so the blame narrative that assigns power to ‘Them’ can operate as the means to escape responsibility – as if to escape fear or pain of loss.
Addiction is always some habit pattern of self-evasion – displaced onto externals, such as comfort eating or geopolitics.

351621 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1169 of 2382 🔗

Why are they still Topping up the threats. The figures are out, same as average now

351626 ▶▶ jb12, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1170 of 2382 🔗

You have answered your own question there.

351644 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1171 of 2382 🔗

They still have a long way to go to reach their end objective (we do not exactly know what that is)


  • crash the economy
  • make sure all small businesses are closed, opening the field for big business
  • still making money through illicit deals
  • enjoy the power over the cowering masses
  • make medical intervention (any type) compulsory
  • implement the health ID / passport linked to all your other information
  • etc
351624 stevie, replying to stevie, 4, #1172 of 2382 🔗

If they mandate masks then they should prohibit beards:
Why beards aren’t usually allowed in the fire service
The following is a quote from a fire academy rule.
it states that all those using masks “must be clean-shaven” It goes on to say that anyone with a medical condition “which precludes their ability to be clean-shaven” must tell their supervisor.
They will then be advised on other shaving techniques. This means that if you’re a rookie, you can almost certainly forget about growing that beard.
This no-beard policy from the National Firefighters Association all comes down to an issue of health and safety.
As a firefighter you’ll need to wear a SCBA mask to protect yourself from the smoke and other substances in the air.
That mask forms create a seal on the face to stop air coming in and to provide a clean flow of oxygen.
The fear is that a beard can cause a barrier between the mask and face, limiting the ability to create a good seal.
This gap, however small, could mean that dust particles get into the beard and the airways of the firefighter.
If dust and soot were to get into the beard, this would increase the risk of developing serious respiratory illnesses and cancers.
Cancer rates are high among firefighters because of the layers of debris on their gear. Plastic particles, petroleum fumes, asbestos and more all play their part.
If this sits within the beard it is all too easy to inhale particles after removing the mask. Any firefighter with a beard will need to wash it carefully after every incident to stay clean.
If they don’t, those particles and carcinogens could contaminate the fire engine and station throughout the day.
Therefore, the safest approach is to keep beard hair to a minimum to avoid this risk or to shave it all off.

351628 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to stevie, 3, #1173 of 2382 🔗

Can you imagine if it went on fire!

351629 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to stevie, 5, #1174 of 2382 🔗

Very good point – I’ve seen a few guys around with honking great big beards and a little piece of cloth over their mount and nose, but quite obviously loads of space for coronas to float through their beard. They are ridiculous.

351639 ▶▶ mj, replying to stevie, 7, #1175 of 2382 🔗
351633 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #1176 of 2382 🔗

They say it isn’t the lie that gets you but the cover up

In March we had a novel virus and a pandemic response plan. Neil Ferguson came up with stupid graph, everybody panicked and they threw the plan in the bin. They discharged covid patients into care homes. That killed 30,000. Season 1 peak came and went without any interference from lockdown (as shown by the progression of the R numbers below). But they couldn’t admit it wasn’t as bad as they feared. That would leave 30,000 deaths to be accounted for by their monumental and reckless mistake. So they made out it was as bad as it could be. So after a year, they could say ‘lots of people died, lots of decisions were made, some good, some bad, we will learn for the future’. As if panic-mongering this 3 week peak into a year will somehow cover up their crimes and that mistake gets ‘lost in the noise’. But so many people will die here and worldwide from the decisions flowing from the original cover up.

351637 ▶▶ winstonthatcher, replying to steve_w, 5, #1177 of 2382 🔗

And now they are sending people back from hospital to care homes?

351645 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to winstonthatcher, 4, #1178 of 2382 🔗

yes, they still are!

351726 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to steve_w, 1, #1179 of 2382 🔗

I think in due course it will become accepted wisdom that this is exactly what happened, which makes it even more surreal to see the following on the BBC’s live feed today:

Care providers urged to take more discharged patients
Alison Holt
Social affairs correspondent

‘Urgent talks have been taking place to try to get more care homes to accept discharged Covid-positive patients to ease pressures on hospitals.
In one meeting, involving government and NHS officials as well as care provider organisations, the situation is said to have been described as war-like.
Since September, 136 homes in England have been signed up as so-called hot homes – far fewer than originally hoped.
The homes have to pass significant additional infection control checks and have dedicated staff.
Along with existing local authority run homes and NHS facilities, there are just over 2,500 beds available for people who need low-level support.
Between 70% and 80% of those beds are already full and up to 2,000 patients are waiting to move out of hospital.
Most care homes can’t get insurance if they take someone with coronavirus, so the government is said to be looking at ways to provide cover.
But after so many deaths during the first wave of the pandemic, many care homes say taking Covid patients is out of the question as their first duty is to protect existing residents.
In addition, the sector is struggling with a growing number of staff off sick or self-isolating.’

351891 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to DJ Dod, #1180 of 2382 🔗

By the time this becomes accepted wisdom, Johnson, Hancock, Witty, Ferguson and the other one will all be in the House of Lords, completely beyond reach.

351640 Binra, 6, #1181 of 2382 🔗

Simple Xi SAYS ‘obey and comply’.
Who doesn’t play shall be ‘incentivised’.
To Chinese mode of governance.
By dint of ‘hammer’ and the ‘dance’,

Now framed within the programmed tracks.
of false assumptions dressed as facts
Purveyed as ‘normal’ currency.
Under fake emergency.

Whose framed reaction recycles baggage.
Propaganda finds safe passage.
No moral outrage or reasoned debate
Forfends the knee of a global dictate.

Unwillingness to live the lie
Allows the love of truth to shine
For nothing we can ever do
shall take a lie and make it true.

351643 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1182 of 2382 🔗

Anyone want a bit of light-hearted work for the next little while – go here to see all the pro muzzle wearing shoppers and spend some time down-ticking the nonsense.


351651 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Ozzie, 11, #1183 of 2382 🔗

The brainwashed sheep on there are unbelievable. I read a couple of the comments & felt the urge to go & smash their stupid fucking heads in.

Woke, Brainwashed Arseholes!!!

Fuck the BBC!!
Sorry also Ozzie, that is no way aimed at you for posting that, I just am extremely angry & pissed off at this now.

351659 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #1184 of 2382 🔗
351675 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to p02099003, 3, #1185 of 2382 🔗

Local Halal Supermarket it is then.

351664 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 6, #1186 of 2382 🔗

The acoustic properties of the BBC echo chamber seem a little too perfect, gnome sayin’?

351670 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #1187 of 2382 🔗

I agree – the comments are very annoying, but I found some degree of “amusement” in how incredibly predictable, woke and virtue signalling they all seem to be. They also seem (unsurprisingly) to reiterate the nonsense peddled by the BBC. There are a few pushing back against the narrative.

351849 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1188 of 2382 🔗

Do you think they are all written by BBC interns sometimes pretending to be a bit thick to make it look more realistic??

351940 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1189 of 2382 🔗

If it’s any consolation, I was looking at a video on lockdowns on Youtube posted by The Independent. Every single comment was anti-lockdown and anti covid-hysteria. Every single one . Semper fidelis.

351683 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #1190 of 2382 🔗

Managed a few dozen and wanted to punch a wall. How stupid can people be?

351693 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 7, #1191 of 2382 🔗

Here is one of the many insane comments in that article,

“The Gov should support all supermarkets to the hilt with this. It is completely unacceptable that the minority think it’s acceptable to potentially murder a shop assistant by not putting a bit of cloth over their mouth.”

I need to go punch a wall or something.

351647 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 7, #1192 of 2382 🔗

Just seen this on my local Nextdoor page:
Post and Covid. Due to staff sickness etc we hardly ever get post here in . We’ve been waiting for a letter for over 3 weeks. Would this affect being summoned for a Covid jab?
PS Have just read The Telegraph front page.
This is a real issue of concern to the Government

It’s a real concern for me too, that anyone would read the Telegraph (Thumbs up from me)

Does that mean mail is transfering covid?
I had an idea regarding passing on this virus within the huge amount of Christmas cards in transit during the festive season, could this be a source of contracting do you think??
At the moment, ‘experts’ say this is unlikely. However, anything that drops through my letterbox gets kicked to one side and stays in isolation for 72 hours. Even after that time, I sanitise my hands after opening post and parcels.

I thought about answering to the last commenter how sorry I feel for her being so manipulated by the media, but these people do not understand that I actually feel sorry for her after I laughed about her stupidity.

351677 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Silke David, 5, #1193 of 2382 🔗

I thought the whole “COVID can be transmitted on surfaces” was debunked ages ago. What do these people do when they go to the supermarket and bring the shopping home?

351785 ▶▶▶ tarfu, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1194 of 2382 🔗

I can answer that. Mrs. Tarfu wipes each individual item with a jaycloth soaked in kitchen cleaner. I smile benignly and say nothing.

351688 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Silke David, 8, #1195 of 2382 🔗

I have some sympathy for people that are scared of the covid bogeyman but it is rapidly diminishing after all these months.A lot of them aren’t even prepared to listen to any narrative other than that of the media and take time to reach their own conclusions.If they can’t help themselves and won’t accept any help I don’t see why they should be allowed to drag us all into the abyss with them,because that’s all they are achieving by their timidity.

351816 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Paul, 3, #1196 of 2382 🔗

I think we do have to see it as an induced mental illness. But I agree that it is difficult to sustain sympathy when the lunatics are running the asylum.

351650 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #1197 of 2382 🔗

I’m just browsing the UKs 2014 pandemic response plan

I can’t see anything about lockdown. The only bit I can see that is close is “Social distancing, especially school closures might reduce clinical attack rates in children and slow epidemic spread somewhat from reduced interpersonal contacts.” Of course that’s not relevant for covid as kids aren’t involved.

I’m also looking for the bit about waging bio-war against care home residents. Nothing coming up. Maybe its in an annex

351663 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #1198 of 2382 🔗

This is their entire list of possible interventions

persons with symptoms staying in their own homes
persons who develop symptoms at work or while away from home, returning to home as quickly as reasonably possible
good respiratory hygiene practised by all
frequent handwashing practised by all
appropriate cleaning of frequently touched hard surfaces in the home and in public places
avoidance of unnecessary contact with others and unnecessary overcrowding (reduction of contact rates) rapid access to antiviral treatment for symptomatic persons (reduction in

nothing about masks either

351802 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 1, #1199 of 2382 🔗

The WHO planning document from 2019 (before the organisation was comprehensively got at) on NPIs dismisses most of the current governmental actions – especially for diseases that are not high consequence.

351658 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 2, #1200 of 2382 🔗
351756 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to wendyk, 4, #1201 of 2382 🔗

It’s from a German professor teaching in Lausanne, who resigned from Leopoldina, Germany’s Royal Society equivalent, in disgust of the unscientific support by that academy for Merkel’s latest lockdown.
Ignored by the MSM, of course.
As is Ioannidis’ recent paper, or Sweden’s ever falling comparative death rate.

351665 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1202 of 2382 🔗

Rather interesting data showing previous higher winter mortality 2015-2019 in Europe is also predictor for higher C19 death. Rather intriguing (Sorry if published before)


Longitudinal variability in mortality predicts Covid-19 deaths
“Here we present data demonstrating that mortality due to covid-19 in a given country could have been largely predicted even before the pandemic hit Europe, simply by looking at longitudinal variability of all-cause mortality rates in the years preceding the current outbreak. The variability in death rates during the influenza seasons of 2015-2019 correlate to excess mortality caused by covid-19 in 2020 (R2=0.48, p<0.0001). In contrast, we found no correlation between such excess mortality and age, population density, degree of urbanization, latitude, GNP, governmental health spendings or rates of influenza vaccinations.”

351794 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, #1203 of 2382 🔗

… which is an extension of the ‘dry tinder’ thesis. My only quibble is the use of the term ‘excess mortality’ – a more precise definition of the independent variable is needed.

351667 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1204 of 2382 🔗

Make sure you follow Andrew Torba on Gab for some of the most insightful current year musings

Also pretty sure Getongab on twitter is him as well

351842 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1205 of 2382 🔗

How do you get on Gab? I have tried but it just says searching and screen goes blank.

351672 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 9, #1206 of 2382 🔗

House of cards

Covid: 2020 saw most excess deaths since World War Two – BBC News

Regarding the above, the top comment should reassure you all:

“When the age and size of the population is taken into account 2020 saw the worst death rates since the mid 2000s”.

Some explanation and context about why the death rate in the mid-2000s was as high as a covid pandemic year would be useful.

Stay strong, we are winning the rational argument. The stakes are incredibly high for “the establishment” (governments of the uk, mass media, nhs, etc), hence the concerted attacks we are getting at the moment. House of cards.

351679 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to tony rattray, 10, #1207 of 2382 🔗

Nick Triggle is excellent all the way through this – no more than I would expect from a decent journalist, however.

“The data on deaths can be confusing.
On one hand, excess deaths are at their highest since World War Two, while on the other, death rates, once age and size of population are taken into account, are at their worst level for a little over a decade ‘only’.”

and a nice quote further down the article

Matthew Reed, of the end-of-life care charity Marie Curie said the focus on Covid should not hide the fact there has been a “silent crisis” of deaths at home.
He said people have died prematurely in 2020 from other causes – with a big jump in deaths at home.
“We are concerned many have not had the care they needed,” he added.

351696 ▶▶▶ tony rattray, replying to steve_w, #1208 of 2382 🔗

Thank you.

351765 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #1209 of 2382 🔗

excess deaths are at their highest since World War Two”

… playing on the inaccuracy of ‘excess deaths’ – a meaningless term.

351789 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 5, #1210 of 2382 🔗

The other important factor is the April spike – which was a brief period of genuinely high mortality.

Take that genuine viral event out, and cumulative mortality is even less exceptional, with post-June levels running at the quarter-century average or below . There has been no exceptional mortality since then, despite all the hype that the government and the Chuckle Brothers confected.

351837 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 2, #1211 of 2382 🔗

yep, and most of that spike was due to government policy on sending infected people into care homes

352072 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to RickH, #1212 of 2382 🔗

Due to the care homes

351760 ▶▶ RickH, replying to tony rattray, 4, #1213 of 2382 🔗

Another BBC myth-making exercise.

The period since 2000 has been a period of anomalous historically low mortality. We have seen many worse years without panicking.

Further – if you look at the two-year period of 2018-2020 (thus adjusting for the prior year’s exceptionally low mortality), deaths are bang on the 27-year average.

352245 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to tony rattray, #1214 of 2382 🔗

Consider there is more pollution now (higher cancer rate), people are even more obese, this is the war generation, which for some reason was very healthy so far and physically fit.

351673 Sarigan (Day 295 of lockdown), 6, #1215 of 2382 🔗

Data over the past week has utterly demolished the case made last week for the latest national lockdown, i.e. that infections (and subsequently hospitalisations) would not decrease without another full lockdown.


351674 zacaway, 2, #1216 of 2382 🔗
351684 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #1217 of 2382 🔗

“The liberal left has gone fully illiberal”

For my fellow former “centre lefties” and just about anyone reeling from this total assault on our civil liberties and human rights, this is EXCELLENT reading and sums it all up:


351736 ▶▶ RickH, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, -3, #1218 of 2382 🔗

It’s not just the illiberal ‘left’. As pointed out – the BBC is fully in the control of the illiberal Tory-donating right.

351757 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 1, #1219 of 2382 🔗

Tory does not equal right – not my kind of right anyway

351835 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to RickH, 2, #1220 of 2382 🔗

There are 2 parties in the UK

1) The Neo Liberal Woke Party of Davos (blue team)
2) The Neo Liberal Uber Woke Party of Davos (red/yellow team)

351985 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to RickH, #1221 of 2382 🔗

I hope you are wrong. Much like the twiterlati it is more likely I think, as Brett Weinstein termed it, the chihuahua effect-a small number of little yapping animals determining the narrative

351685 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #1222 of 2382 🔗

Edinburgh Council are wasting money on huge building site hoardings telling people what to do with their waste if they have covid. On the stretch of North Bridge over Waverley train station 6-7 adverts 2mx 5m have the typical cartoon infographics all councils now puke at their public.

If you are interested what you do is this:
1. Double bag your waste.
2. Realise that waste includes tissues.
3. Leave outside for 72 hours (unclear if you need to fight of rats, seagulls and binmen during this stage).
4. Finally put into council bin for collection.

Now. Waste collections are a joke across the city and so any local will know step 3 is routinely achieve and exceeded by many hundreds of percentile points.

In actual fact, assuming you are already down with used tissues being waste, double bagging to piss off greta is the only new bit to the waste routine.

The adverts are so big they are not comprehensible to pedestrians. Only people on buses stand a chance of absorbing the message.

Good money spent badly, committee brian time and production.

Please remember there is a plague on.

351703 ▶▶ CrazyHoarse, replying to Basics, 8, #1223 of 2382 🔗

Late last year I had to dispose of an old and rather large microwave. When I got to the tip there was a sign saying to use the dumpsters on the other side of the road. Needless to say it’s not the easiest thing to throw into a dumpster, but talented fellow that I am I executed a gold medal worthy clean and jerk to dispose of it

351689 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1224 of 2382 🔗

I find it hard to believe that the Clare Turnbull article in the DM has only 2 comments!

Get on there: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9133959/Top-expert-warns-delaying-cancer-treatment-Covid-quite-simply-cost-lives.html#comments

351731 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, #1225 of 2382 🔗

It’s the response from a nation of Soap watchers in their house journal – miles from reality.

351702 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to New name old face, 2, #1227 of 2382 🔗

This is the most useful thing Boris has done in 12 months.

It’s been looking like the question of China’s responsibility for crippling the entire western world was being brushed under the carpet.

I don’t think I’d demur if he said outright that he’s gonna nuke ’em.

351705 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to AidanR, 1, #1228 of 2382 🔗

They will probably nuke us before Boris the knob even thinks of that.

351727 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 7, #1229 of 2382 🔗

Chinese will not nuke anybody! They depend on us ( the West) for pretty much all their exports . They would fucking starve in a month without all the plastic shit they export.

351708 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to AidanR, 9, #1230 of 2382 🔗

With all due respect, I do believe that pointing the finger at China as the enemy is utter horseshit.

351714 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 6, #1231 of 2382 🔗

Hear, hear, the enemy is a hell of a sight closer to home than Beijing.

351775 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 3, #1232 of 2382 🔗

Totally disagree. This is the CCP Virus and that shouldn’t be swept away. The response has exposed Bunter and his stupendously useless band of ministers but the CCP sent the Virus to Europe deliberately.

351793 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to nottingham69, 4, #1233 of 2382 🔗


Why didn’t the western leaders just ignore it then, or treat it as the usual flu, given the IFR?

Just how does one ‘send a virus’ anyway?

We know that thspread of the virus can’t be controlled-

351829 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to nottingham69, 1, #1234 of 2382 🔗

Would it problematic to your narrative if you discovered that the Wuhan lab works closely with the Galveston National Lab in Texas, or the Canadian National Microbiology Lab?

Why would China want to take out its largest trading partners?

It seems that the Trumptards ‘China China China’ cry is on a par with the leftards ‘Russia Russia Russia’ nonsense. But you’ve gotta have a bogeyman, right?

351814 ▶▶▶▶ New name old face, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, #1235 of 2382 🔗

Climate change will stop our need to produce and consume certain goods. Starving China of an income. Cold War on the horizon?

351822 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to New name old face, #1236 of 2382 🔗

How does that work?

351844 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to New name old face, 1, #1237 of 2382 🔗

Climate change? Jesus Fucking Christ.

352077 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, #1238 of 2382 🔗

With all due respect, you’re kidding yourself.

351730 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AidanR, 1, #1239 of 2382 🔗

… then you’d be proved a f.ing moron!

Whatever China’s role in this – it’s a government shit-hole, pure and simple.

351735 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to AidanR, 7, #1240 of 2382 🔗

Oh for Christ’s sake – I’m sick of hearing ‘the CCP did it’.

Look, these decisions were not and and are not being taken by Xi Jinping.

What are they supposed to have done – or not done?

The IFR is 0.1% max.

351921 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to AidanR, 1, #1241 of 2382 🔗

How on Earth is it China’s fault that Western economies were set up to fail?

351751 ▶▶ Julian, replying to New name old face, 8, #1242 of 2382 🔗

Goodness what an utter tool the PM is

The CCP are wicked and I have no truck with them, and they have played us for fools with their theatrical lockdown followed by quietly brushing covid under the carpet

But this rubbish about grinding up pangolins is preposterous and irrelevant

No-one forced him to overreact, and as they stated on live TV, they knew that keeping calm and carrying on was the right approach, before the u-turn

351925 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Julian, #1243 of 2382 🔗

Bait and switch. A recognition that blaming your own people day in day out, week in week out and month in month out is probably not smart? That said the CCP allowed international flights but not domestic. Hard to understand although perhaps there is a charitable explanation for a famously uncharitable regime

351707 Silke David, 4, #1244 of 2382 🔗

I have just filled in an YouGov survey, it asked for 15 (or less) charities, pressure groups. They would expect the usual large national charities, I filled it in with groups relating to our current situation. Many they would not have heard of.

351710 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 15, #1245 of 2382 🔗

STUDY: Bill Gates DTP Vaccine Killed 10 Times More African Girls Than The Disease Itself

The scientists conducting the study were shocked when they found that 50% of children in the African nation of Guinea Bissau die before the age of five.

In that west African nation, half the children were vaccinated with the DTP vaccine at three months and the other half at six months. Dr. Mogenson and his team found that girls vaccinated with the DTP vaccine died at 10 times the rate of unvaccinated kids.


351770 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 3, #1246 of 2382 🔗

And that is his ‘hobby’.

351712 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1247 of 2382 🔗

German nationwide database tracking negative effects of masks on kids


351895 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1248 of 2382 🔗

Interesting research – hopefully will help to ensure that this never happens again.

351715 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #1249 of 2382 🔗

Wall Sreet Journall claims Google blacklists sites and makes algorithmic changes to favor big businesses
Google favoring big businesses who also happen to be big advertisers
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-google-interferes-with-its-search-algorithms-and-changes-your-results-11573823753 ?

351796 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Victoria, 2, #1250 of 2382 🔗

There’s a surprise!


351717 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #1251 of 2382 🔗

Mask Harms in Kids: 68% of Parents Report Alarming Psychological and Physical Problems In First-of-its-kind Study

Prolonged, forced, strict mask wearing destroys the health of children

Masking of schoolchildren is a medical experiment that should be a parent’s choice and require informed consent


352144 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Victoria, #1252 of 2382 🔗

Can we do a study on adults now.

351718 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 15, #1253 of 2382 🔗

I think the government jumped the shark at Christmas, with its ‘highly infectious mutant variant’. The destruction of Christmas at short notice on the basis of a dubious pretext has created a crisis of trust for the SAGE narrative and people are increasingly non-compliant.

It is compliance, not infections, ministers are chiefly concerned with. That’s why they are growing increasingly shrill and desperate, which only adds to people’s cynicism. Three metre social distancing? Sitting on benches prohibited? A coffee qualifies as a picnic? Hilarious! Pull the other one!

I hope we all remember the Spirit of Lockdown Past and are entering into the Spirit of Lockdown Present. They can’t actually formulate detailed enough rules to produce the results they want, so now we must follow the spirit of the rules, or imagine what the rules would be. It reminds me of Gordie Brown’s attempt to close loopholes in tax avoidance schemes. It was actually proposed, if I recall correctly, that tax advisors should operate on the basis of what HMRC might have ruled had they thought of it. So, people, try to imagine what Bungling Boris and Mattie Han might have ruled if it had occurred to them.

351722 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bugle, 1, #1254 of 2382 🔗

I wish I shared your optimism.

351733 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to RickH, 2, #1255 of 2382 🔗

I talk to people. Not the sort of people who would come to this site. I merely report what I hear.

Oops, is talking allowed?

351719 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 22, #1256 of 2382 🔗

Just to say my body count for the past 10 months of people I personally know who have died of this so called killer virus is still zero. The people I ask the same question to (including my sister) is they have heard of somebody dying, but when pressed they don’t know their names, how old they were and if they had underlying medical conditions. They get a bit shirty when you say so it’s zero the same as me.

351729 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #1257 of 2382 🔗

I heard of someone dying of Covid from a surgeon friend.

The patient had a heart attack, as a result of complications due to late stage cancer.

Apparently the family were decidedly unimpressed with the official cause of death.

351788 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 8, #1258 of 2382 🔗

My mother died in April aged 78 at home with a serious and persistent heart condition and dementia. Of course we ignored the restrictions and were present. Aside from the cruelty of depriving her of loving hugs in her final months we (my brother and I) had to be interviewed by police because it was ‘unexplained’ … then we had to fight the coroner over cause of death. They relented. Madness

351754 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1259 of 2382 🔗

Same here. Two cancer deaths – one more terminal cancer almost certainly avoidable but denied early treatment due to Covid (42 years old). Zero Covid. I don’t even know anyone who knows anyone who has died of Covid. Even “with” Covid

351774 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Smelly Melly, #1260 of 2382 🔗

The elderly father of an acquaintance died in April “of” Covid, he was 84 and suffering from heart disease and kidney failure.

351779 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1261 of 2382 🔗

Same here, I know of no one that has had it. My wife is a pharmacist and at her surgery they have had nobody die of it. However they have had a number of people die of cancer because they couldn’t get treatment and have had a number of suicides. But hey, on the upside at least they didn’t die of COVID!!!! Every life saved!!

351869 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1262 of 2382 🔗

Go on other sites and say that and you will be inundated with comments saying how lucky you are as their neighbour/workmate/relative/man down the pub/butler/vicar and most of thier families have died.

351873 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1263 of 2382 🔗

Yep – same here – zero. Know a couple of people who have allegedly had the virus, atlhough often anecdotal rather than proven.

I think the bit about people knowing someone comes from watching the TV. I have heard actors saying that people come up to them (in the street) as though they know them well, because of their role in a TV show. A difficulty in separating reality from fiction.

351720 RickH, replying to RickH, 16, #1264 of 2382 🔗

I’ve repeatedly banged on about the deceptive nature of ‘excess deaths’ – an infinitely flexible ruler to be used when the broader reality doesn’t match preconceptions.

A classic illustration of the problem comes from one of today’s BBC bulletins.

No – I don’t watch these excrescences myself – for the very reasons illustrated here – but a couple of our family brought the item to my notice.

Essentially, it displayed a graph claiming to show that 2020 had the worst case of ‘excess deaths’ since the 1940s – a lie that took even my breath away in its egregious falseness. As anyone who can count knows – there have been seven years of higher mortality even in the last 27 years! Since June, mortality has been lower than half the years in that same period.

We are now getting to the stage when BBC correspondents could have been trained in Goebbel’s office.

As to the control of the BBC – unfortunately it isn’t as some partisan fanatics would have us believe – driven entirely by ‘the left’ and ‘communists’.

The current Director General – a Goldman Sachs banker – has donated £400,000 to the Tory Party to prove his lack of bias (or left wing credentials) 🙂

351747 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to RickH, 2, #1265 of 2382 🔗

Ed Conway’s analysis on the data, plus pretty charts for the lockdown forever types who don’t get numbers:

COVID-19: How mortality rates in 2020 compare with past decades and centuries | UK News | Sky News

As to Goldman Sachs, not uncommon for its senior partners to contribute to both sides of the political debate, whether as individuals, or through PACs and super PACs in the US. Goldman always comes out on top, whatever, because as the former CEO said in 2009 ‘we do God’s work’.

351761 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to RickH, 7, #1266 of 2382 🔗

As i understand it exces deaths are measured against the average of the previous 5 years and so if you go back more than 5 years the excess deaths will be measured against a very different 5 year average. For the last 5 years UK death rates have been a bit low given our ageing population and so when a problem hits, QED the excess deaths look bad because you are comparing them to 5 low years.

Even so of the 15% excess deaths they quote in 2020. 11.6% were from April/May when we know what happened. Apart from that, excess deaths for the other 10 months are 3.4%, which if you then allow for our ageing population comes down to about nothing much.

Given our ageing and frail population the total deaths for 2020 look quite acceptable and nothing to get exited about, keep calm and carry on but just about nobody is doing that at the moment.
Also in a few weeks we will have the total live birth figures for 2020, the prediction is that this figure will exceed the total death figure, funny old pandemic when the population increases.

351778 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to RickH, 3, #1267 of 2382 🔗

The population was c. 44M in 1940.

352167 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #1268 of 2382 🔗

The current Director General – a Goldman Sachs banker – has donated £400,000 to the Tory Party to prove his lack of bias (or left wing credentials) 🙂

Still living your delusion that the “Conservative” Party – a party that literally fetishises the NHS, continues to radically transform the nation with mass immigration and pc suppression of dissent, believes in unlimited state spending “funded” by the magic money tree (in other words, deferred taxation), and expects its police forces to literally kowtow to radical leftist mobs – is in some way “not left wing”, I see.

When you release your dogged grip on your Thatcher obsession and move beyond the early 1980s, you will perhaps come to understand that the establishment is left wing, corrupt and corporatist. And the establishment is the problem, not just the “Conservative” Party or just the Labour Party.

351721 richmond, 19, #1269 of 2382 🔗

It’s the Invasion of the Fucking Body Snatchers out there! (That’s the sequel – similar plot to the original film, just slightly racier).

Shops are closed that were open a couple of months ago (albeit queuing outside). More people masked on the streets. Far from everyone, thank goodness. Even so.

I approached one unmasked gentleman in a matey, fellow-Brits-abroad kind of way, and he literally flinched and turned away. I hope he runs out of soap in the shower. No, I really do.

351723 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1270 of 2382 🔗

This is interesting. Care Home outbreaks in Northern Ireland. In the Spring there was a mix between CV-19 and other respiratory virus outbreaks. As we got to November the mix disappeared and now its just all covid.

Is this a lack of testing for anything else? That’s the simplest answer. Everything that even smells like Covid is Covid. God knows what this means for this most vulnerable group and management of their care, especially those requiring hospital for anything at all.

This whole panic right now about capacity is so awash with PCR noise and self fulfilling bottlenecks its hard to make any real assessment of claims coming from NHS chiefs. Politicians remain not only silent, but scared to spea up I would guess due to the cancel culture being ramped up against sceptics of any flavour.

351807 ▶▶ ituex, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1271 of 2382 🔗

In the past it was assumed to be flu leading to pneumonia, now they test for Covid so it’s that instead basically.

351724 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #1272 of 2382 🔗

Asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 may be rare, new research finds
Symptomatic cases were far more likely to transmit the virus than asymptomatic ones, the authors found.


351748 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 9, #1273 of 2382 🔗

Well well well. And are we now officially allowed to say that the sun rises in the east?

351801 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Victoria, 3, #1274 of 2382 🔗

Its in a proper medical journal which is a help. JAMA is US equivalent of BMJ.

351853 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to ituex, 3, #1275 of 2382 🔗

I’m debating this one with my wife at the moment – also in JAMA:


It reckons that viral load is broadly the same for symptomatic and asymptomatic people. I call bollocks. It is of course, based on PCR ran at up to 40 CT.

351839 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Victoria, 2, #1276 of 2382 🔗

So I wonder where Matt gets his 30% from?

351732 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1277 of 2382 🔗

Mark Windows, Spreaker, March, 2018. Speaking about walking around Camden Town on a Saturday night (minute 11) and being asked for I.D. before he could enter Wetherspoon’s (sp?).

351734 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 27, #1279 of 2382 🔗

So, back on client site yesterday for the first time in months and I see actions that are almost institutionalised OCD like rituals.

Sharing a keyboard: Every time I passed the keyboard back my colleague he wiped it down again with another disinfectant wipe. After watching him do this for a third time I challenged him because I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. “What are you playing at, what do you think you are going to catch from my brief moment of handling the keyboard from my already sanitised hands?” I asked. The keyboard was barely dry from the last time I passed it back. He had no answer.

Mask wearing is not mandatory on site but many people appear to be wearing them voluntarily: the under 30s, ironically the least at risk group, seem to be the most avid mask wearers. One individual that I suggested need not wear one on my account gave a nervous giggle in response as though I had suggested some mildly subversive behaviour. Needless to say they didn’t take the mask off.

Passing someone on the stairs meant that the SD rules couldn’t be observed. Yet for the fleeting moment that we would be passing on the stairs on the quarter turn he felt it necessary to turn his back on me and press his face into the wall. There was just no sense of proportion to the situation.

Yet through all this insanity on the plus side there are a number of colleagues who seem to be sceptical yet keep quiet about it until prodded by another sceptic.

351737 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 7, #1280 of 2382 🔗

Gen Y and Z are humanity’s downfall.

351914 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to JayBee, 8, #1281 of 2382 🔗

There are some bloody good youngsters who post on here. Poppy for one also DRW I think is a student. Apologies for any missed but most of the people of my generation, mid forties, are rampant bedwetters.

351934 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Will, 9, #1282 of 2382 🔗

Thanks for the shout out! My bf and my closest friends are also big lockdown sceptics and very angry at the way our generation has been thrown under the bus throughout this.

351740 ▶▶ Julian, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 9, #1283 of 2382 🔗

I am so glad I never need to go back to the office, ever again. Unless it turns out that the only people who want to go back are sceptics, in which case we’re cooking on gas

351867 ▶▶ jb12, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #1284 of 2382 🔗

The under 30s have their faces buried in their phones at a higher proportion. Just think of all the hideous brainwashing that has gone on since the TV has been mass produced. Now picture a generation carrying a TV in their pocket, to be watched (and brainwashed by) any time they have a spare moment.

352218 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to jb12, 3, #1285 of 2382 🔗

I deliberately let a woman (50s) who was glued to looking down at her phone, walk into me. FUN!
and she was muzzled.

351960 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #1286 of 2382 🔗

Where do you work? A loonatic asylum?

351738 Felice, replying to Felice, 9, #1287 of 2382 🔗

I thought I would report back from a trip to Sainsburys. As expected it was thoroughly depressing and joyless.

No queue to get in, just a hold up as people used the hand sanitiser. The 2 young girls in front of me were stopped and asked if they were shopping together. No, they were going to collect their click and collect order. Only one was allowed in – and this was despite there being no queue and the shop being so deathly quiet.

The ‘fat controller’ asked if I had a mask or if I was exempt, so I said exempt, and slightly lifted the sunflower ribbon round my neck. No further challenges the entire time I was in the shop.

The most annoying thing was the constant announcements.
‘Thank you for shopping alone’
‘Donwload the app to make shopping quicker’
‘Please be tolerant of those who cannot wear a face mask or social distance’.
The latter one really annoyed me, as it is said in a way that manages to conflate the two issues.

I only went because Sainsburys sells certain products that I cant get locally. Even then, they were out of several of them.

351758 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Felice, -1, #1288 of 2382 🔗

You see, winning is going to be all about how to get the things you need without giving certain people your business (and while you can’t get them, maybe you should go without?) and without having permission from government.

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351773 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Felice, 5, #1289 of 2382 🔗

just a hold up as people used the hand sanitiser.

That is when you jump the queue

351739 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1290 of 2382 🔗

Matt’s a prat.

351744 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to bebophaircut, 8, #1291 of 2382 🔗

He’s a psychoprat.

351741 Will, replying to Will, #1292 of 2382 🔗

Now that the data is in, can anyone cleverer than me crunch the numbers to show the excess deaths, in the UK, from September 2019- the end of 2020, please?

351755 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Will, 3, #1293 of 2382 🔗

Is there really such a thing as excess deaths?

351784 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Hubes, 3, #1294 of 2382 🔗

It’s a statistical construct, in order to find anything unusual – like lockdowns – which might be impacting a population.

351797 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to rockoman, 3, #1295 of 2382 🔗

Trouble is they have a virus and a lockdown which impacted the population at the same time!

351843 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steeve, 2, #1296 of 2382 🔗


351791 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Hubes, #1297 of 2382 🔗

Will they count 2020 in the five year average?

351772 ▶▶ Stephentheengineer, replying to Will, #1298 of 2382 🔗

Likewise. In particular, if it is possible to separate lockdown caused deaths with Covid, ie died at home from heart etc. Gov estimate was about 200,000 deaths possible from lockdown etc. Don’t believe much of the Covid stats since so many family stories of misstated deaths cause.

351780 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Will, 5, #1299 of 2382 🔗

I can here the morons now:

“All deaths are excess deaths, you heartless swine”

351787 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Will, 3, #1300 of 2382 🔗

From today’s ONS figures which is the final week for 2020,
For England and Wales for 2020 there were 75,031 more deaths than the average for the previous 5 years.
That is 14% above the 5 year average
10.6% of that excess was from the April/May period
The remaining 3.4% is for the other 10 months. If you adjust this to account for our ageing population it comes down to about nothing very much.
As for the figures for Scotland & N.I and as for Sept to Dec 2019 that is beyond my pay grade and I cannot help you!.

351906 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Martindale, #1301 of 2382 🔗

Thank you for the help.

351745 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 14, #1302 of 2382 🔗

BBC News | UK | Funeral waiting lists rise

Grieving relatives are having to wait up to three times longer to lay their loved ones to rest because of a surge in demand for the services of funeral companies.

Don’t panic – January 2000

351782 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steeve, 2, #1303 of 2382 🔗

I can assure you Funeral Directors saw a spike in Apr-Jun (up 60% or so).

Been bang average since.

351812 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1304 of 2382 🔗

Yes, there was unquestionably a huge spike in deaths in April and the first part of May.

351826 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1305 of 2382 🔗

that was due to the deliberate infection of care homes

351834 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 1, #1306 of 2382 🔗

It wasn’t that; it was incontinent panic and lack of forethought.

351746 PWL, replying to PWL, -1, #1307 of 2382 🔗

Lots of news to make you hide under your beds today, eh folks? Just checking in again to ask, how is your appointed-to-be-dissident, and yet Covid-19-pandemic-affirming alternative media doing leading you out of the economic blockade? Still no progress?

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351771 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to PWL, 1, #1308 of 2382 🔗

Yup. No progress. You guessed it.

How goes advertising your site for free on someone else’s website? Many people popping across to read your florid prose?

351841 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 2, #1309 of 2382 🔗

Not hiding under my bed – how about you?

Who is the “appointed to be dissident”? I don’t recall appointing anyone, and anyway you’ll need to be a lot less subtle if you want to have a pop, as I am a bit thick so I can see you’re trying to have a pop but your point is somewhat vague

351749 Matt The Cat, 10, #1310 of 2382 🔗

Scare. Suffocate. Starve.

Yeltsin’s new mantra.

351750 Hellonearth, 15, #1311 of 2382 🔗

I just had this scenario run through my head. I am having a walk in my local (of course) park and run into a friend, “sorry I can’t talk to you because Wancock and the plod say I can’t stand still and it is dangerous for us to talk, bye”!. Will there truly be any people who abide by these idiotic diktats?. If anyone does or if anyone believes this then they should be taken out and shot at dawn!. Maybe harsh but that is how I feel right now.

351752 CrazyHoarse, replying to CrazyHoarse, 32, #1312 of 2382 🔗

I find the severe distress exemption is the best excuse – after all living in HMP Britain is bad enough without having to be humiliated by having to wear a muzzle. I don’t hear this often but I find the idea of wearing a face nappy is utterly humiliating and emusculating, then again that’s the point. So if anyone asks I can say it’s severely distressing for me having to abase myself by wearing a mask

351763 ▶▶ TJN, replying to CrazyHoarse, 19, #1313 of 2382 🔗

Imagine if someone told you to stand in front of a picture of Himmler or the like and give the Nazi salute. Well that’s how I feel about mask wearing. Severe distress.

351909 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to TJN, 4, #1314 of 2382 🔗

Masks are, solely, Gessler’s hats. Like the Hitler salute was one.
Which is why they are so divisive and vigorously enforced (in Germany, for sure).
They are even questioning the validity of the medical certificates you need and prosecute the doctors who issued one.
Which is of course also pretty explicit proof that they are not about health, but about obedience.
This is obvious and illegal, but they are getting away with it and are even cheered on by Fritz Public.

352203 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to JayBee, #1315 of 2382 🔗

Just read today that bloody Soeder insists on FFP in shops and on OPNV.
More state sponsored profits for manufacturers. Does Soeder have a relative in the business?

351753 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1316 of 2382 🔗

Deutsche Bank and others now cutting ties with the Trump family and linked organisations.


351762 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1317 of 2382 🔗

Welcome to China.

351764 PWL, 12, #1318 of 2382 🔗

Having Morrisons and Sainsburys reannounce the same old policy is all UK Government has.


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351777 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 20, #1319 of 2382 🔗

Dear supermarket CEOs,

You are being used!

Yours faithfully,

PS. What are you going to do when your policy to force people to wear a mask seriously injures or, worse, kills someone who isn’t wearing a mask?

351790 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Ceriain, 22, #1320 of 2382 🔗

This. I’m about to go to Tesco to get some food for my kids and just seen that they’ve brought it in. If I’m challenged I am going to ask to speak to the manager and get him to personally accept liability to any injury or upset caused to me in the store while wearing as mask – including any time I have to take off work. I’ll let you know how it goes

351805 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to jakehadlee, 15, #1321 of 2382 🔗

I don’t remember who it was but someone on LS recounted a few weeks ago how they were made to wear a mask and had warned that wearing one caused severe distress. Wearing it, he/she then ‘fell, in distress’ into one of the supermarket’s display stacks. Brilliant!


351813 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DavidC, 22, #1322 of 2382 🔗

I don’t remember who it was

Bruce Reynolds; Lockdown Legend. 😉

352195 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1323 of 2382 🔗

Thanks Ceriain.


351815 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to DavidC, 2, #1324 of 2382 🔗

oh to have that on CCTV!

351823 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #1325 of 2382 🔗

plenty of resource letters here


351792 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #1326 of 2382 🔗

Since March the Junta propaganda has targeted various groups in order to blame them for the killer death.

Old people, young people, students, beach goers, school children have all been singled out at some point or another. They are now running out of people to blame

Therefore we are grateful to Mrs Dick for her recent scientific discovery. It would appear that it was ‘basement gamblers’ wot dun it all along

How someone playing cards in a basement in Brixton caused the the death of 96 year old Mrs Miggins in a care home in Harrogate is not expanded upon. I’m sure the science is there to prove this theory, they are just not sharing it at the moment

This breakthrough has huge implication for policy going forward. It follows that if the miscreants had attended the basement but not played cards then Mrs Miggins would have survived.

Equally if the cards had been dealt above ground then again Mr Miggins would have survived

These basement card playing bastards have blood on their hands

I expect the following groups to be targeted in the following weeks

Llama Painters
Throb Validators
Cabbage Censors
Tarmac Chewers
Plunge Technicians
Crumble Activists
Yellow Line Lickers
Squirt Arrestors

Remember where you heard it first

I’m off to the pub

351804 ▶▶ Kat, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1327 of 2382 🔗

Don’t forget people who sing in the bath. Singing is fatal and can kill. That’s why choirs are and singing in church is banned.

352478 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Kat, #1328 of 2382 🔗

Kill what, soap bubbles?

352483 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Kat, #1329 of 2382 🔗

Kill what, soap bubbles? The Rubber Ducky?

351806 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1330 of 2382 🔗

Remember where you heard it first

“Squirt Arrestors”

I’ll certainly admit that it’s the first time I’ve heard of that profession. 😉

352474 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cecil B, #1331 of 2382 🔗

They should blame themselves.

351798 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #1332 of 2382 🔗

from sky news

351847 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to steve_w, 2, #1333 of 2382 🔗

watched this by chance. No explanation as to why since c 2010 there has been a reversal of the mortality rate.

351870 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1334 of 2382 🔗

We might be at the peak point for baby boomers who are now elderly and, naturally, dying.

351913 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1335 of 2382 🔗

Fallout from financial crisis + austerity.

351926 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1336 of 2382 🔗

Economic fallout from the financial crisis. Decline in standards of care for the elderly?

351848 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 3, #1337 of 2382 🔗

That looks reasonably accurate. The graph of Swedish mortality mimics the UK quite closely, and is at a better scale. Again – shows the historical inconsequence of 2020:

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351961 ▶▶ jb12, replying to steve_w, 1, #1338 of 2382 🔗

The Sky News article itself is an abomination. Apparently we can’t compare 2020 to 2003 because medical advances mean that the death-rate is lower, that is despite the rate creeping up since 2010 and that a lower death-rate is unsustainable as people will eventually die, even if older when they do.

352082 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to jb12, #1339 of 2382 🔗

people only see the article once, we can pass round their graphic forever!

351799 Jo Starlin, 10, #1340 of 2382 🔗

Apropos of nothing, I used to post as “Liam” in case anyone was wondering where I’d gone!

351800 mari, replying to mari, 23, #1341 of 2382 🔗

Another classic Psyop has been deployed against the population: Johnson ‘spotted’ on his 7-mile bike ride. Huffle puffle indignation by the tabloids and of course, social media, followed.

The reaction In the general populace will be, in varying degrees, confusion, anger, then a flouting of the ‘rules’ by sections of the very fed-up public. The road traffic down my way has increased, loads more people ‘exercising’, since Bikegate. All perfectly designed to happen that way. Why, you say? read on.

Witness what happened after Cummings was ‘spotted’ up in Barnard Castle last year and the furore that caused….it even made mainstream teatime news….anything which ends up on there is a psyop against us.

Almost the next day, the roads were very noticeably full of traffic, people walking about and the beaches down here were healthily used by a public who felt very let down and pissed off – an understandable reaction – whether or not you were in favour of lockdown. And the sun was shining.

Still, we got the usual exhortations by the Dear Fat Leader et al, to ‘follow the rules’. Johnson’s refusal at the time to sack Cummings was also a psyop, designed to infuriate the chattering classes. Confusing, stress-inducing, anger making eh?

That ‘outing’ and this one were well planned. A perfect photo of the Dear Leader on his bike. He knew exactly what he was doing.
Not 4 miles, or 5 miles, or 6, but (drum roll) 7 miles.

Since Barnardgate and up to the Bike Ride, there have been many (admittedly minor) floutings by those in the public eye and the media jump on them, like fleas feasting on a dog.

Alex Thompson, ex MI5, as reported on UK Column, has stated that they are using Psychological Warfare on us. This is the Third World War. Of Fear. See link below.

The techniques as deployed by the intelligence services and other deep-state bodies, are used to cause fear, confusion, demoralisation, leading to mental paralysis. This is the classic breaking-down of the human psyche and It is devastating. Just think of all the ‘interrogation’ scenes between the hapless suspect and the official in those cop/spy/thriller movies we’ve lapped up and you’ll get the picture.

And observe the many fearful mask-wearers you see on the streets, and how many have complied to ‘rules’ that make no sense to them. They are blinded by fear, paralysed by clouded, muddled-thinking – the rabbit caught in the headlights, frozen, waiting to be bulldozed by the big vehicle of Authority. They are depressingly everywhere.

The government has used the tool of Fear from the start to cower the people. It then deliberately gives loads of conflicting ‘advice’, ‘daft’ rules etc, which don’t make any sense to the thinking person, confuses them and demoralises further. This causes the (un-awake) to question the ‘sanity’ of the govt, resulting in the media and us calling them ‘batty Boris’, ‘dim witted’ Hancock (with the endless permutations of his surname) ‘witless Whitty’, ‘unbalanced Vallance’, etc etc etc. Its everywhere on alternative media forums.

Too, the leakage of ‘official’ graphs which don’t make sense and cannot stand up to proper scrutiny, confounds even further. The ignoring of thousands of professional opinions outside of govt, and the (proven) bogus stats, makes our hair turn grey. Classic Psyop.

These Suits know exactly what they’re doing. They are following a script, given to them by the real Power behind the scenes. It aint the government. Follow the Money. Follow the Agenda.

The media – completely under control by the cabal, leak ‘transgressions’ by those in the public eye, to further enrage and more importantly, to cause a relaxing of the rules amongst us, a ‘fuck-it’ attitude, which will ensue ‘ a major incident’ , like the one reported as such in the UK last year after Cummings did his runner, showing the (widely circulated) scenes of many people on a certain beach, and this was the perfect excuse for govt to carry on the bullshit rules, blaming us for ‘spreading the virus’. Naughty people. They were always going to punish us for Christmas, too. They are desperate to keep this charade going.

In the long run, fear, anger, confusion, muddled thinking, blame, shame, helplessness, stress, victimhood etc, are the perfect Psyop tools to lower our Immune Systems. Its genius. Plenty of sick people they can pin ‘covid’ on to keep the shitshow alive.
They’ve done brilliant job on us.

Good article by Dr Bruce Scott, a good intro read if you’re interested in psychological techniques.
Psychological Attack on the UK | UK Column

351854 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to mari, 4, #1342 of 2382 🔗

Yes, it did seem absurdly conspicuous, now that you mention it. TY for the link, I like to indulge myself with a bit of armchair psychology from time to time. Interesting.

352325 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, #1343 of 2382 🔗

Most welcome. It finally hit me today just what they’ve done to us. I’m optimistic though, that they will shoot all their arrows pretty soon and then we’ll see that the good ‘ol Emperor is stark bollock naked. Yay!

351902 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to mari, 2, #1344 of 2382 🔗

10 out of 10 synopsis.

352315 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to JHUNTZ, #1345 of 2382 🔗

I was so depressed this morning, but I feel a lot better for getting that lot out!

352468 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to mari, 1, #1346 of 2382 🔗

Agenda 21, Agenda 2030.

351803 New name old face, replying to New name old face, 11, #1347 of 2382 🔗

Cuomo is suggesting opening up. But look at the comments. The people are begging him not to…!! What a brilliant strategy that I suspect we will see played out. “We’re listening to you the people! So we’ll stay closed…”

351851 ▶▶ jb12, replying to New name old face, 2, #1348 of 2382 🔗

Or they have gone too far and the abysses who pockmark Twitterland are not too scared to come out.

351889 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to New name old face, 5, #1349 of 2382 🔗

peak twitter comment:-

“Cloth masks & distancing not enough.

1. Crack windows (even if live alone)
2. Prop doors (if own a shop)
3. Merv13/Hepa
4. KF94 w cloth mask over it (or kn95; Office Depot has them)
5. Humidify (weigh down aerosols)

Sources in my timeline. This is an airborne virus.”


351922 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1350 of 2382 🔗

Do they still believe this to be the plague? If I were so scared I’d be hunting for information to put my mind at rest. And it’s readily available. What is wrong with them?

351938 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1351 of 2382 🔗

Surely if you live alone, and you’re terminally petrified, cracking windows to allow the putrid public miasma into your home is the last thing you would want to do?

352456 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to JHUNTZ, #1352 of 2382 🔗

Airborne and capable of resting suspended in the air. How many seconds?

351917 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to New name old face, 3, #1353 of 2382 🔗

Cuomo is playing a game as he has his back against the wall – his draconian lockdown measures bankrupted NY, he then wanted money from the US government and they said no.

Obviously people will say no opening because he (Cuomo) has scared them to death. It is easy to fix, just tell the people they have nothing to fear, stop testing and they will support the opening ‘up’.

Note: Cuomo has not suddenly became a LS

352049 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Victoria, 4, #1354 of 2382 🔗

The Italian rebellion against restaurant lockdowns this week is going to be interesting. If they tried that here, the snowflakes would just refuse to patronise them, and would start social media hate campaigns against them.

352452 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cranmer, #1355 of 2382 🔗

Snowflakes eventually melt. I know, I live near the North Pole: Canada.

351809 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 3, #1356 of 2382 🔗

Again on the subject of ‘excess deaths’, this has to be at least partly responsible for the overall increase this year:

A total of 40,114 excess deaths in homes in England and Wales were registered between March 7 2020 and January 1 2021, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Of this number, just 3,881 – or 10 per cent – were deaths directly involving Covid-19.

351817 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Adamb, 2, #1357 of 2382 🔗

People who were forcibly separated from their loved ones just gave up.

351883 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Adamb, 2, #1358 of 2382 🔗

So as we suspected lockdowns kill far more than they cure.

351919 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Adamb, 1, #1359 of 2382 🔗

Remember, “we will work with the Labour party to address the crisis in the cost of social care of the elderly in this country”

So they toss the sick and infirm out of hospital into care homes and kill 30,000 with the blessing of the opposition and condemn another 40,000 to sit at home and die, again with the complete agreement of the opposition party.

That’s one way of doing it I suppose.

351819 danny, replying to danny, 11, #1360 of 2382 🔗

How to counter a family member who comes out with anecdotal tales of just this week, the baby of a friend dying of Covid, along with (not connected) a seemingly healthy 30 year old too. My initial response of course is that a baby sadly died, and that given they are now checking all new borns meaning that many will be listed as positive, that is not a covid death but just a tragic death. But this is the problem. We tell them facts. They counter with horrible anecdotes. How can you defeat that?
Its akin to telling someone you are going for a drive and they come back with, “the man down the road had a sister who died in a car crash. Do you want to see pictures. Do you?”

351827 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to danny, 7, #1361 of 2382 🔗

Reply that yes it’s terrible and another reason why the lockdown should go on for at least another ten years

Use their own fear against them

351833 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1362 of 2382 🔗

Forget any babies being born in lifelong lockdown.

352039 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1363 of 2382 🔗

I’m doing this but you have to be careful how you word it, because most people seem to assume that what you mean is covid is a really deadly dangerous disease, and therefore permanent lockdown is fully justified. I usually say something like ‘they are locking down because the NHS is struggling to cope. Wouldn’t it be better to improve the NHS instead of locking us all down, which in the long run will damage the NHS anyway?’

351828 ▶▶ Julian, replying to danny, 1, #1364 of 2382 🔗

If someone thinks that govts should determine public health policy on the basis of anecdotes they are idiotic

351862 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Julian, 3, #1365 of 2382 🔗

True. However heart rending individual stories are, one cannot determine public health policy on that basis.

351977 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to danny, 1, #1366 of 2382 🔗

Suggest that it’s best not to think about it. Say you try not to think about all the other deaths that happen every day because you’d never get through the day otherwise.

And leave them with something like “Imagine if they reported every death 24/7 like they are with this virus, you’d go mad”

352017 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to danny, #1367 of 2382 🔗

Yes, it’s called ‘hysteria’.

352539 ▶▶ Simon, replying to danny, #1368 of 2382 🔗

Yes, tell them we can’t have any more children as they’ll pass the virus down through the generations and kill all the old people……

351820 Silke David, 12, #1369 of 2382 🔗

Waitrose in a large market town at 3.30pm today. nearly EMPTY.
Of people and goods, actually.
Not challenged, only person showing face.
Nearly panic attack on entering as there was something hanging around in the air. Luckily subsided after a minute. (I have a sensitivity to sanitizer since April).

351825 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 27, #1370 of 2382 🔗

Observations from my own foray to Morrisons in Risca (South Wales) from which I have just returned.

As Drakeford has been spouting the same as Hancock about tightening up supermarkets, stopping them selling non essentials etc I approached with a heavy heart.

No queue at the door, nor security man (only one who was on the exit. No new signs or anything to suggest any difference to my last visit.

All produce aisle appeared fully stocked (so no Brexit delivery issues either). Apart from myself sporting lanyard (which I wear because it is pointless not wearing a mask to reduce stress then risk the stress of an argument in store), two other women wondered around unmasked without lanyards. Nobody seemed bothered. Contrary to Drakeford’s foot stamping, there was no closing of aisles, one way systems etc. It was all very tranquill

At the checkout, I did ask if it was unusually quiet today, as there were not that many in store and wondered if it was the result of the paranoia being spread by the media. A supervisor who was wiping down overheard the conversation and replied that it is usually quiet on Tuesdays. She also had no mask on, and was quite happy to offer an explanation that the company were merely trying to cut down on the number of tradesmen and such like that walked in during lunch hours without complying with the law.

She also offered an observation. Those that are wearing masks are the ones who have had covid. Those who aren’t wearing them seem to be staying healthy. She drew no conclusion, just stated her own opinion. It is the first time I have actually enjoyed a checkout conversation in many years.

351948 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #1371 of 2382 🔗

BTW, as the girl who served me joined in the conversation about the effectiveness of face masks against particals the size of the Coronovirus (none at all), I used the analogy that it was like trying to catch water with a sieve). That hit the mark with her. She will be remembering that one. Score 1 for the good guys.

351836 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 22, #1372 of 2382 🔗

The good news:

We will get back to a wholesome society where we can live fulfilled human, social lives. I am sure.

The bad news:

The road back to that probably leads through societal and economic collapse, poverty and quite possibly a great deal of violence.

351904 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to rockoman, 3, #1373 of 2382 🔗

Indeed, lots of people will become very poor and have to sell their possessions – they just don’t know it is going to happen to them.

The people with money will be able to snap up bargains

352382 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Victoria, 1, #1374 of 2382 🔗

Sounds like Russia around 1990.

352431 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1375 of 2382 🔗

Ginger Graviola & Nettle Tea for prostate cancer.

351838 number 6, replying to number 6, 11, #1376 of 2382 🔗

Yesterday early in the morning, whilst musing on what kind of Zombie our illustrious Health Minister is, my mind went into fast rewind to the 1970’s and a Government campaign to promote the use of car seat belts. My mother had been a “Motorist” since the 1930’s, no not a rich kid rather someone who got hold of an “Old Banger” and drove it into the ground. (During WW2 she was a volunteer ambulance driver in London!) Anyway she was anti Belt Up and considered the media Celeb’ Ringmaster, a certain Jimmy Savile, as pretty slimy individual – what Déjà vu ! Anyone remember the “Clunk Click Every Trip” campaign?
Fast forward to the present, and what pick would Sir James Wilson Vincent Savile OBE KCSG have made to head the ‘Hands. Face. Space’ public information campaign. Oh WOW, what a meal he would have made of it, and the ‘Clap for Heroes’, can you even imagine the dancing with Nurses, the Clap With ME as a phone app…. Sorry must sign off, feeling as to vomit.

PS: Sir Jimmy has a better write up on Wikipedia than a certain Vernon Coleman. Oh God, I need the toilet………………………………….

351901 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to number 6, 1, #1377 of 2382 🔗

The Isles Report put paid to any illusions about the safety of seat belts overall (decrease in motorists injuries but more significant increase in pedestrian/cyclist injuries). The report was suppressed.

351936 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1378 of 2382 🔗

I have seen some horrific injuries in drivers and passengers not wearing seat belts. The sort of injuries that cause you to need ventilation in ITU, steering wheels are quite difficult to get out of chest walls. It isn’t similar to this situation at all, sorry.

351949 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to ituex, 1, #1379 of 2382 🔗

Fair comment. AEFIs are also pretty difficult to remove from the immune system.

351923 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to number 6, 2, #1380 of 2382 🔗

This was a question on QI.

Stephn Fry. How many lives have seat belts saved?

Jeremy Clarkson. Oh millions I expect.

Stephen Fry. No none according to the risk compensation theory.

I am now hoping I didn’t dream that.

351945 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Jonny S., 4, #1381 of 2382 🔗

You didn’t, the single measure that will make the roads safer for all is a 6″ steel spike in the middle of the steering wheel pointed straight at the drivers chest.
No f*****g accidents then!

351954 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1382 of 2382 🔗

Cheers Nessimmersion. I do believe it may have been Lawrence of Arabia who advocated that.
He was a keen motorcyclist.

351991 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Nessimmersion, #1383 of 2382 🔗

In Spiegelhalter’s book on risk “The Norm Chronicles”.

352030 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nessimmersion, #1384 of 2382 🔗

That reminds me of a job interview I had once with some road safety body (can’t remember which). They asked me what I thought could be done to car design to reduce accidents. I didn’t really want the job, so said ‘six inch steel spike in the steering wheel’. The interviewer laughed, and said he agreed, but that the public would never accept it because they would not understand the concept.

352133 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1385 of 2382 🔗

It’s a relative question. John Adams is the man who researches this. Seatbelts reduce deaths inside the car, that can be demonstrated and tested. What they don’t do is reduce road deaths as these include other vehicles, pedestrians, cyclists etc. So seatbelts make you feel safer and hence take more risks. So others are now more at risk.

What’s more is that seatbelts keep the death rate artificially high, so they cause MORE deaths than the trends before introduction would indicate.

351965 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to number 6, #1386 of 2382 🔗

The latest campaign is Punk Prick Every Drip. You know it makes sense..

352497 ▶▶ Simon, replying to number 6, #1387 of 2382 🔗

Also another point of interest, there is legislation for all these things put in by successive governments. But none of them mandate something until long after it’s invention and use.

I just wrote a piece on the invention of the airbag, seeing as we’ve had it’s 40th anniversary. It was many years later we have the government waking up to an idea that people were wanting to buy for their cars and mandating it.

Seems typical of all legislation and since writing it I have been racking my brain to think of anything government has actually done. Something that hasn’t already started to be adopted or isn’t correcting something a previous government incarnation messed up in the first place without actually solving the problem they claimed to.

351845 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 10, #1388 of 2382 🔗

I think I may have posted this yesterday – not sure. Anyway, I believe it stands repeating. I was reading the govt website (I know, I’m a sad person) about muzzle-wearing, and noticed this about the police. It’s been increasingly sinister and puzzling why they have to hide their faces in the open air…. They DON’T have to, according to this. So is it now police policy to do so, contrary to govt advice?

In settings where face coverings are required in England there are some circumstances where people may not be able to wear a face covering…..
blah blah

  • police officers and other emergency workers, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public
351859 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Banjones, 7, #1389 of 2382 🔗

Yet when I was at Trafalgar Sq in September a cop car pulled up with four on board and none of them were wearing masks. I asked them to smile whilst I took a photo. They didn’t.

Suffice to say that the TSG thugs who were brutalising were all masked up.

351893 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to leggy, 1, #1390 of 2382 🔗

I was there too. The intention was presumably to spread discomfort and avoid recognition. Or perhaps they knew they were going to a masked balls up..

351877 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Banjones, 10, #1391 of 2382 🔗

They like the Lecter look because they want us to be scared.. very,very scared, pathetic bunch of psyched up morons. But, of course, they have to do this because we are bad.. very, very bad. Bad and dangerous. Dangerously bad and infectious, in fact. FFS.

352373 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1392 of 2382 🔗


Seinfeld – Babu Bad Man Montage

351884 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Banjones, 2, #1393 of 2382 🔗

It is political

351885 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Banjones, 1, #1394 of 2382 🔗

Mattie Chan more or less commanded all NHS staff to wear facemasks. Guess it’s a similar thing with the police. Government by memo.

351939 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, #1395 of 2382 🔗

PS Just wondering – what would their reply be if requested (politely) to remove their muzzle when they’re speaking….
Should I try it if ever I am stopped by the rozzers?

PPS (A while ago, I worked for the police in their complaints and discipline department -one of the most numerous reasons for complaint was ”incivility” or ”discourtesy”. I wonder what it is now. Or if the department still exists.)

352023 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Banjones, 1, #1396 of 2382 🔗

You could just say ‘I’m sorry I can’t hear what you’re saying with that thing on. Would you please remove it?’ If they refuse, say it is discrimination against a disabled person.

351989 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Banjones, 2, #1397 of 2382 🔗

They wear FN’s to intimidate us into complying with corona bollocks, to ramp up the fear.
That’s why
Face Nappy Fascists

351846 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 15, #1398 of 2382 🔗

The buggers just don’t give up do they. Another letter from NHS England and NHS Improvement (?), inviting me for a flu jab. Just bugger the hell off, Stephen Powis.

351903 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to kh1485, 3, #1399 of 2382 🔗

It’s way too late to be giving flu jabs. My theory is that GPs and nurses have been hiding from diseased patients and not giving the flu jabs out. Now maybe they need the fridge space for the experimental vaccines.

351908 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1400 of 2382 🔗

And they lowered the age range from when they start wanting to give you the thing. Pity there wasn’t a phone number on the letter as I would have told them in no uncertain terms that I don’t want their wretched jab. Letter will go the way of the other, in the shredder.

352646 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to kh1485, #1401 of 2382 🔗

You’d probably be stuck on the end of a telephone queue listening to distorted music for half an hour.

351933 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1402 of 2382 🔗

I agree, flu jabs need to be given no later than October to cover the winter period, mine was late this time in November. I have no issues in taking it myself being well over 65 though I have not actually had flu for many years.

351959 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to davews, #1403 of 2382 🔗

Always use local Pharmacy for ours, fast efficient and at a time of our choosing. Then we get a letter from GP moaning that they had ordered a jab and we had wasted it.

352018 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #1404 of 2382 🔗

they need the fridge space for the experimental vaccines.

Or all the dead wrinklies that have taken it.

352476 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #1405 of 2382 🔗

They might need the money. They get paind nicely to deliver these and your local GP is a practice run by some management company. It’s a business and they haven’t had their usual income streams.

352008 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 1, #1406 of 2382 🔗

NHS Improvement?

I would ask them if they have any jobs. You would never be out of work again.

352021 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Old Bill, #1407 of 2382 🔗

Yep, that’s what it said on the letterhead. Sounds like something out of W1A.

351852 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 30, #1408 of 2382 🔗

Covidian Worship

351875 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Nessimmersion, 5, #1409 of 2382 🔗

“I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I’m all out of bubblegum.”

351890 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #1410 of 2382 🔗

Can I borrow your sunglasses, V?”

351905 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1411 of 2382 🔗

Either put on these glasses or start eating that trashcan.

351937 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #1412 of 2382 🔗

Classic fight scene. 🙂

351958 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1413 of 2382 🔗

I once watched South Park’s ‘Cripple Fight’ right after watching They Live and discovered that it’s exactly the same fight scene. 🙂

351855 Ceriain, 24, #1414 of 2382 🔗

So, we have 2 reports today informing us that it looks like daily press conferences are back, and that the Government/NHS are in talks with Care Homes to take discharged Covid postive patients.

We’re also back to “Stay at home, Protect the NHS, Save lives”.

It’s fucking deja all over again.

351858 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #1415 of 2382 🔗

“Lockdown rules need to be tougher, according to Prof Susan Michie, a former Labour Party donor and an independent adviser to the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage).” Of course they do.

351886 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to p02099003, 6, #1416 of 2382 🔗

When wrong, double down.
Science and politics since 3.2020.

351887 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to p02099003, 9, #1417 of 2382 🔗

The words ”I’m all right, Jack” apply.
So do the words smug, arrogant, greedy, self-interested, manipulative, coercive and ignorant plonker.

An ”adviser” to an ”advisory group”. Oh, yeah.

351899 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to p02099003, 5, #1418 of 2382 🔗

Christ, If she were a record I would have chucked it, because it is clearly broken.

351900 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to p02099003, 2, #1419 of 2382 🔗

Said it earlier today. There is an appetite for picking off one or two of these more vocal Covid fanatics. Even Devi Sridhar said yesterday that Covid won’t be eradicated. No shit!

351924 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to p02099003, #1420 of 2382 🔗


352087 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to p02099003, 1, #1421 of 2382 🔗

And Communist

352238 ▶▶ Alice, replying to p02099003, 1, #1422 of 2382 🔗

Communist party member!

351860 silverbirch, 1, #1423 of 2382 🔗

What has happened to Calchas? Posting under a new name perhaps/hopefully

351861 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 33, #1424 of 2382 🔗

This is a work in progress, but I have been working on a leaflet to hand to anyone who challenges me for not wearing a mask. What do you think?

I am giving this to you to challenge you because you challenged me for not wearing a mask.

You are wearing one because you think it will:

  1. Prevent you from catching Covid.
  2. Prevent others from catching Covid.
  3. Possibly make you feel morally superior because of 1 and 2.

I would like to say that of the above only (3) may be true. I can provide evidence if you are interested.

But wearing a mask suggests you support the government agenda of masks and lockdowns.

You need to consider the damage lockdowns are doing:

  1. Millions of small businesses are being destroyed.
  2. The economy has been almost destroyed and the destruction will soon be total.
  3. Millions of people have become unemployed and face poverty.
  4. The suicide rate has doubled.
  5. Six million people are on anti-depressants.
  6. Many old people are suffering loneliness and isolation.
  7. Domestic violence including child abuse has increased dramatically.
  8. Millions of children deprived of education and social interaction.

How morally superior do you have to be to ignore all this?

351881 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Basileus, 11, #1425 of 2382 🔗

Good. But important to hit them with deaths early, rather than dwelling on the economy at the start. Hit them with the initial estimate of 200,000 lockdown deaths projected by SAGE, or there is an even higher (+500,000) later estimate.

Hit them with deaths. Deaths are the currency du jour.

351894 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basileus, 11, #1426 of 2382 🔗

I wouldn’t even try and engage these sausages in rational discussion tbh

351897 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Basileus, 4, #1427 of 2382 🔗

Do you think they’ll bother to read it? If these people are already brainwashed and ignorant they won’t read, let alone believe, anything that attempts to educate them.

Worth a try, though. You never know – one little seed may be planted.

351910 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, 4, #1428 of 2382 🔗

Move the children education deprived to the top

351952 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Basileus, 2, #1429 of 2382 🔗

Excellent do keep us posted on how it goes

351962 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Basileus, 4, #1430 of 2382 🔗

Good idea, please post the final draft for us to us. In addition to Ovis’s suggestions I would add that it’s probably best to drop the first part about virtual signalling as once insulted they won’t engage with the rest of your message….. I know that sounds wet but it’s better to come across as helpful/friendly ‘did you know’ than full on ‘you’re my enemy’ if you stand any chance of convincing/converting them.

352007 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Basileus, 3, #1431 of 2382 🔗

Personally I think the only way is to show that mask wearing is more dangerous than not wearing a mask. Just have a leaflet with pics/stats of long term mask problems. Don’t bother engaging in arguments like ‘I’d rather have all that than kill my nan’, just give it and walk away.

352048 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1432 of 2382 🔗

But they are killing my kids nan – that’s what they need to know – they are killing nan’s. Isolation kills.

352084 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Basileus, 3, #1433 of 2382 🔗

They wouldn’t take it off your germ ridden hands let alone listen to your heretic opinion.

352091 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Basileus, 3, #1434 of 2382 🔗

I knocked up a leaflet that just repeated the WHO advice regarding potential harms due to mask wearing.

352096 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Basileus, 5, #1435 of 2382 🔗

Good on ya! But can you use a bit of this perhaps? I think most people think they have to wear one when they don’t!!! “The British government, while ‘mandating’ mask wearing, recognises this is against the spirit of the 1998 Human Rights Act so have allowed those who are distressed at ‘wearing … a face covering’ to exempt themselves . The key words from gov.uk are: “If you have a reason for not wearing a face covering, you don’t need to show any written evidence of this; you don’t need an exemption card … (It) is a personal choice, not required by law .” That is from gov.uk!!!”

352107 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Bungle, 3, #1436 of 2382 🔗



351863 RickH, replying to RickH, 1, #1437 of 2382 🔗

A sceptical friend who has been prominent in writing articles and doing interviews on the general scientific picture has asked me the following ;

“… where it’s possible to find numbers for weekly Covid deaths in hospital and specifically London hospitals?”

I’ve concentrated on mortality figures – largely because of the inherent inaccuracies in other areas.

But can anyone assist with direct links to pick up on this question that I can pass on ?


351896 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to RickH, 1, #1438 of 2382 🔗
352105 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1439 of 2382 🔗

I checked the NHS data earlier today when I was looking at the ONS data. For the two main and large Cambridgeshire Trusts, since the beginning of January (albeit the latest data is subject to revision), the number of reported deaths to Covid19…eight!

Where are all the deaths?


351915 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 1, #1440 of 2382 🔗

Adapnation.io have a good dashboard

351930 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 2, #1441 of 2382 🔗

Thanks BeBop and Ceriain

352141 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 3, #1442 of 2382 🔗

.. and Any and DavidC

351864 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 43, #1444 of 2382 🔗

Time for Recovery doing a very good job of telling us where the 2020 excess deaths really come from.
Today’s shocking excess death figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that we have not one, but two pandemics in the UK right now.
One is the Covid pandemic, which can be seen clearly in the spike in deaths in hospitals and care homes in Spring 2020, before deaths from this seasonal virus drop dramatically to below average in the Summer and rise again in hospitals with its return in Winter.
The other is the hidden pandemic caused by Covid policies, which has taken place in the home and shows no variation with the seasons. Excess deaths in the home have been consistently above average every week from March onwards, with a small rise during the Spring lockdown.
The death toll shows the figures split almost evenly: around half of the total excess deaths for 2020 occurred in the home and showed little variation from summer to winter.
Recovery has been warning of this tsunami of excess deaths from Covid policies for months. It’s caused a deadly cocktail of fear, mental health problems, and the denial of vital services to patients in urgent need of life-saving care. For example:

  • One in three cancer patients says their treatment has been affected and 70% say their mental health has suffered in consequence. Cancer Research UK says cancer screening was cancelled for 3 million people and there has been a 39% drop in the seven key diagnostic tests for cancer between March and July – equivalent to 3.2m fewer tests in England alone (see https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2020/09/11/whats-happened-to-cancer-services-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/ )
  • British Heart Foundation says that excess death from heart disease has risen with a disturbing 13% rise amongst those under 60 even as Covid was declining in May and June. “We believe that delays in people seeking care, coupled with a reduced access to routine tests and treatments during the pandemic, have likely contributed to the rise in excess deaths” https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2020/october/rise-in-excess-heart-and-circulatory-disease-deaths-in-under-65s
  • A Yonder poll in December revealed that 7 out of 10 people in the UK are now seriously worried about the mental health of themselves or someone close. Problem drinking – a killer – has doubled and now affects around 9m people. Experts report that suicide amongst young people is rising. Rising domestic abuse during the Spring lockdown offences rise by 18,000 between March and June 2020 (ONS 24.11.20].
  • Bristol University’s risk experts say that the lockdowns of 2020 will cost 560,000 lives in the UK “because of the deep and prolonged recession they will cause”. The Government’s own prediction last summer was that more than 200,000 will die as a result of the first lockdown alone (ONS July 2020). It has refused to provide an update showing the additional impact of the tiers and lockdowns since.
  • Government figures show that even during the Spring peak, restrictions played a huge role in excess deaths. Covid killed 25,000 people but restrictions caused at least 16,000 unnecessary deaths, as 6,000 people died because they didn’t attend A&E through fear and 10,000 people died in care homes because they could not access critical care in hospitals (ONS, August 2020).
  • The UN World Food Programme has warned that 270,000,000 people face starvation as a result of the global impact of lockdowns and restrictions. This alone makes the response to Covid the single most lethal policy that Governments have ever adopted, killing many times more than Mao, Stalin and Hitler combined.

Now we can see the combined impact of all this: it’s clear in the figures today and it’s a timebomb – the excess death from fear and restrictions will only grow while current policies continue.

  • Before the lockdowns, 9,000 people had waited more than a year for operations. Now it’s close to 200,000. These are not life-threatening conditions, but cause huge pain and misery. Worse, routine problems become life-threatening if left untreated. The problems we already have mean that the NHS will be in crisis for years.
  • Each of these people is suffering: so many are in pain, misery, and worse. For many, there is no hope to an end: no indication of a way out. The spiralling backlog of undiagnosed and untreated conditions will see the NHS in crisis for years.

Jon Dobinson, Campaign Director of Recovery, commented,
“The shocking excess death figures released today have seen hysterical calls for even tougher lockdowns. But that would only make these problems worse. As experts have been warning from the outset, these toxic lockdowns merely kick the can down the road – they postpone problems, they don’t fix them. By prolonging the crisis and extending the period over which deaths take place, they are creating a disaster. (continued)

351871 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 18, #1445 of 2382 🔗

We’ll see another easing over the summer, but that will be blamed for worse problems in the NHS by the autumn. As Government experts are already warning, vaccination will not end this – new strains and new pressures will see the deadly cycle continue for years unless we find a better way.“Even now, the problems are getting worse. We have to recognise the issue and take urgent action before it spirals even further out of control. The latest NHS data shows even fewer non-Covid patients are now being treated. We’re spending billions on failed policies which have only made the pandemic worse. It’s time for our leaders to acknowledge and address the timebomb of untreated conditions and economic devastation. They are now a terrifying threat to the health and welfare of the UK in themselves. Otherwise, the excess deaths of 2021 and beyond will dwarf even these.”
ONS data 12 January 2021 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending1january2021
ONS data 22 December 2020 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending11december2020


351911 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Kevin 2, 18, #1446 of 2382 🔗

It is truly mind boggling that people don’t seem to understand that when you stop all healthcare for anything other than Covid, our healthcare systems will be overwhelmed for years to come. If they think it’s bad now, just wait. Was ranting to my husband last night that our hospitals are ALWAYS at 100%+ capacity during flu season and often during the rest of the year as well, so how is it that doctors, nurses, etc. are more run off their feet now? It’s like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic — the beds will continue to be full, but in future they’ll be full of people with other problems instead of Covid. Will these people be less distraught when their patients are dying of cancers that have become inoperable because of lack of earlier care? Any normal human being would be more distraught by a young parent dying in this manner and leaving children behind than from the death of an 85-year-old with underlying conditions. But we left normal behind in March 2020.

351950 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1447 of 2382 🔗

I liken it to taking a holiday from work. All the work that would have been done while away is still there waiting when you get back.

351935 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Kevin 2, 8, #1448 of 2382 🔗

That’s more research than the government have done on it.

352002 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Kevin 2, 6, #1449 of 2382 🔗

Kevin, a couple of great posts there, thank you.

2020 has definitely ‘run hot’ but, and I keep coming back to this, population adjusted, 2020’s total deaths still ranks the year at number 50 out of the 70 years since 1950, it’s not even in the top two thirds. The only years that have had fewer deaths (again, population adjusted) have been since 2000. The death rate has been falling consistently since the 1950s and only started to tick up a bit since 2013. The baby boomer generation is now getting into middle and old age and starting to die – I’m not saying I’m any smarter than anyone else but I was thinking about this in the 1990s.


352071 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #1450 of 2382 🔗

And literally no zealot I speak to gives a fuck about of this!

Cue eye roll, zone out.

351868 TJN, replying to TJN, 45, #1451 of 2382 🔗

Everywhere I deal with now I see shit customer service, especially online (Amazon excepted, eerily enough) or over the phone.

It seems that everything is breaking down – education, health, policing, media ..

Great Britain is rapidly becoming a failed state.

351872 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to TJN, 5, #1452 of 2382 🔗

That’s what happens in revolutions.

351880 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TJN, 12, #1453 of 2382 🔗

I must admit I haven’t noticed much difference (I have always found service very variable) but am tired of hearing pre-recorded excuses about high call volumes and covid

351920 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Julian, 7, #1454 of 2382 🔗

Banks are the worst for this – essentially screwed by their own penny pinching. Having outsourced everything to the 3rd world they’ve now discovered the 3rd world struggles to work from home.

351882 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to TJN, 15, #1455 of 2382 🔗

My husband and I have at least one rant a week because of delays “due to Covid-19” messages we hear every time we need to call for any kind of service. FFS, all your call centre employees are working from their living rooms! Why are you still blaming Covid for not answering the phone??? Even delivery services should have suitably ramped up since they’ve had “only” 10 months now to adapt.

351978 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1456 of 2382 🔗

Nowadays, to quote safety is to always assume the moral high ground in an argument. Covid has only exaserpated this.

Taken further, the diefication of the NHS is its public apotheosis.

Unprecedented levels of….is used to justify incompetence due to an absence of forward planning.

352010 ▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Al T, 1, #1457 of 2382 🔗

Whereas the defecation of and by ‘r’NHS is expected .
And we’re supposed to smile as we have their fecal response to this event dubbed in our faces

352820 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Al T, #1458 of 2382 🔗

So unprecedented levels of incompetence then?

351898 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to TJN, 7, #1459 of 2382 🔗

Agreed. Plus areas of the country not receiving post, I heard on talk radio. Or maybe I dreamed that. Hard to tell a nightmare from reality. I’m kind of expecting power, mobile and internet outages at some point and the return of supermarket rationing.

351918 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TimeIsNow, 9, #1460 of 2382 🔗

Not getting post would be a blessed relief, all I seem to receive is invitations from the NHS to get a flu jab.

351953 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 6, #1461 of 2382 🔗

I’ve written to my surgery asking not to send me invitations for any (in italics, underlined and bold) vaccines.

Presumably they’ll eventually send me a covid one nevertheless, but I will have done my polite bit and simply won’t reply. That way I won’t appear as having positively refused the vaccine.

352159 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to kh1485, 3, #1462 of 2382 🔗

Flu jab.
Bowel cancer screening.
Aorta aneurysm check. (Didn’t know I had one).
I just say no to everything.

352204 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bugle, 4, #1463 of 2382 🔗

Me too. They’re probably pissed off as they make absolutely no money out of me. Never understood this constant screening of the worried well. Might be one of the reasons they’re always strapped for cash. If they just focussed on ill people, the NHS might not be in the crap state it is.

352278 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to kh1485, 3, #1464 of 2382 🔗

Spot on! The only thing I’m not missing about the old normal is the government nudging me to have all kinds of unnecessary screening tests I don’t want. I’m quite happy to give up my spot in line for mammograms and colonoscopies. When I’m sick, I’ll let you know. Except now I wouldn’t get care even if I was sick…unless it’s Covid.

352412 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1465 of 2382 🔗

So, so agree Lisa. The scales fell from my eyes after being serially misdiagnosed (one lovely heart specialist told me that the money I had spent on medicals would be better spent going away on a spa weekend!). And I read a brilliant book called Trick and Treat which demolishes a lot of preconceived ideas about ‘health’.

351929 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to TimeIsNow, 6, #1466 of 2382 🔗

No, you’re right about the restricted postal service. Here in Kent our postie has told us he no longer delivers every day, mainly due to staff shortages. Sometimes he has to take post back to the depot as he doesn’t have time to complete his round. Another royal f-up.

352825 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liz F, #1467 of 2382 🔗

The Royal Mail isn’t fit for purpose.

351907 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to TJN, 12, #1468 of 2382 🔗

My daughters school has sent the lolly pop workers home now. I guess preventing children from being run over was a luxury for the good times.

351941 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to TimeIsNow, 6, #1469 of 2382 🔗

Don’t tell the council. They will be building a duplicate school on the opposite side of the road so that children can be kept safe from the harm caused by crossing the road. Of course, having spent £200 million building it, they will not have sufficient teachers to man it, so it will go unused, while the half of the children living on that side of the road sit at home, their education ruined.

At the enquiry into the waste of public money building a school that was never used, the council official first replied that it was To Save the Children’s Education. When pushed further on whether it would have been more beneficially to have spent a fraction of the £200 million cost on a zebra crossing instead, he replied “What! And admit that we had run out of money in our road safety budget!”

352164 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #1470 of 2382 🔗


351981 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to TimeIsNow, 4, #1471 of 2382 🔗

It might be that or perhaps the “Stop Children” signs are offensive to woke sentiments.

352043 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Old Bill, 3, #1472 of 2382 🔗

They will replace those signs with “Stop children!”

352162 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to TimeIsNow, 3, #1473 of 2382 🔗

Was it because waving those big signs around was spreading Covid?

351916 ▶▶ davews, replying to TJN, 6, #1474 of 2382 🔗

Amazon have turned off email contact for customer service due to covid. One of the vouchers I got for my nieces got lost in the post. Something that they could easily cancel and refund but having to do it via web chat or telephone is too much effort. However I complained to Royal Mail and got a book of stamps back for the asking so guess parts of them work..

351944 ▶▶ Mark, replying to TJN, 11, #1475 of 2382 🔗

When you see miserable people queuing outdoors in winter rain for necessities, you know our supposed “elites”, Labour and “Conservative”, have dragged us back decades.

351982 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mark, 6, #1476 of 2382 🔗

Scientifically, they’ve taken us beyond Medieval times back to the Dark Ages.

352339 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Mark, #1477 of 2382 🔗


Alley Oop – Hollywood Argyles

352050 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to TJN, 3, #1478 of 2382 🔗

I noticed this too. One thing in particular is the massive increase in incorrectly sent items I get since the start of all this.

352063 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to TJN, 3, #1479 of 2382 🔗

I had a very nice lady from the DWP on the phone today telling me I get backpay of JSA today after she checked my bank details. I had filled in a digit wrong.
She seemed to enjoy her job, especially as she was reporting good news. Apparently they tried to get in touch just after my claim in October, and are now working through the backlog

352563 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, 2, #1480 of 2382 🔗

Waitrose customer service was good today. Unlike the hobgoblins in the actual shop. 🙂

351879 number 6, replying to number 6, 22, #1481 of 2382 🔗

The “Covid, Hyper-Medicalisation and Virus Interference” article should have a greater presence on your pages. It is a VERY important observation, one that should be rammed down the throat of Matt Hand & Cock. Perhaps Boris the Puppet could be persuaded that someone like Dr Irina Metzler FRHistS, medical historian would actually make a pretty good Health Secretary.

Why do I feel the need to hang a Crucifix and clove of Garlic round my neck when I turn a page on LS and see the image of Matt Hancock?

351892 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to number 6, 10, #1482 of 2382 🔗

Your last point, same here. Can’t his, Whitty’s and Johnson’s faces be pixelated to spare us.

351946 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to kh1485, 15, #1483 of 2382 🔗

Pair of us had a screaming session today, watching Channel 5 on catch up (No licence) and came across the latest NHS/Whitty advert for the first time. Blood pressure nearly normal now after two hours.

351976 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 8, #1484 of 2382 🔗

Can’t his, Whitty’s and Johnson’s faces be pixelated to spare us.

Good idea kh – pixellated wtih a shotgun perhaps?

352000 ▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Old Bill, 6, #1485 of 2382 🔗

Now now, no need to hog the fun. We can each take turns with a pellet gun. .177 or .22, but no fatal shots until they have been peppered!

352318 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1486 of 2382 🔗

Or the traditional black rectangle covering the face.

352309 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to number 6, 1, #1487 of 2382 🔗

Because he resembles Bela Lugosi?

351947 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1488 of 2382 🔗

Looks like we’re up for another 1000+ ‘reported’ deaths today. England hospital daily numbers showing 747 today.

Must be Tuesday; must be some sort of announcement coming.

351951 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1489 of 2382 🔗

Maybe we’ll get lucky and find out that the trains to the camps will come with a buffet service.

351963 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #1490 of 2382 🔗

It would be very efficient to have your last meal (of your choice) served on the train.

351972 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 3, #1491 of 2382 🔗

They almost certainly will V.

It will be a choice of the Oxford or the Pfizer buffet.