2021-01-13

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353000 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 9, #1 of 2161 🔗

Faust!

353014 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Caramel, 15, #2 of 2161 🔗

You can run, you can run

Tell my friend boy Willie Brown

Run, you can run

Tell my friend boy Willie Brown

And I’m standing at the crossroads

Believe I’m sinking down

353208 ▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #3 of 2161 🔗

Robert Johnson! I have been listening to a lot of blues recently – helps to keep you sane.

353338 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Guirme, 2, #4 of 2161 🔗

Mind you that might be the Cream version? With LS Eric on vocals.

353822 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Spikedee1, #5 of 2161 🔗

Robert Johnson’s lyrics as far as I know. Heard an excellent version by Lutes & Ukes on their Wolves of St Elvis tour featuring a 1938 Gibson for fans of authentic instruments (a little late but close enough).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM4Rs5Hg7rc

Also includes a little music by Robert Johnson (1583 – 1634)

353894 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #6 of 2161 🔗

I think creams might be a combo of two songs? I’ll have to dig out my Robert Johnson cd and have a listen.

354203 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Spikedee1, 8, #7 of 2161 🔗

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Cream Whisky a Go Go 1967
The back of the head facing Ginger Baker is mine. To the right, my brother, Trevor, is examining two of Baker’s drumsticks that went airborne and landed at his feet.

354213 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #8 of 2161 🔗

Those were the days, where are they now? they’re gone …

353930 ▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Guirme, 1, #9 of 2161 🔗

Love the original RJ – also love Me & Mr Johnson by Clapton

354160 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #10 of 2161 🔗

Robert Johnson. Elmore James. Hellhound on my trail.

354162 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #11 of 2161 🔗

Bob Willie Brown- Robert Johnson’s mentor.

354228 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #12 of 2161 🔗

Hot Tamale and the red hots. Malted Milk. Great stuff.

354437 ▶▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to bebophaircut, #13 of 2161 🔗

Blues and scepticism – love this site! I got a personal message from Boobby Rush at my birthday last November as well as a copy of his new Rawer than Raw cd. Interstingly Bobby is in his late 80s and made a full recovery from Covid.

355060 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Guirme, #14 of 2161 🔗

I worked as a doorman at a hotel in Montreal in the late 70s. All the musicians that came to perform in that city stayed at our hotel. I met Long John Baldry, Elvis Costello, Buddy Guy, B.B. King, John Lee Hooker and Rod Stewart. Bob Dylan stayed there as well but he must have sneaked out the back door because I didn’t see him walk out the front door during my evening shift.

354386 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Caramel, 1, #15 of 2161 🔗

Shempal buddha.
Ship on a better sea.

[repeat add infinitum]

354590 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Caramel, 1, #16 of 2161 🔗

I see what you did there. 👍🏻

353001 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 9, #17 of 2161 🔗

Our Chicom friends have introduced health QR code scans for Uber passengers:

Beijing Orders Passengers To Scan QR Health Codes Before Entering Uber | ZeroHedge

353013 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to awildgoose, 10, #18 of 2161 🔗

The writer seems to be unaware of Chinas Social Credit screening which monitors a great deal more than a persons physical health.

353016 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 9, #19 of 2161 🔗

Not just CCP’s any longer, Big Tech/Big Shiny enforcing their rules too, increasingly worldwide as Merkel, Micron and now Uganda have spotted.

353850 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #20 of 2161 🔗

I feel as though Big Tech is working with the CCP.

At some point Xi will declare them redundant and liquidate them too.

355036 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #21 of 2161 🔗

Pauvre Micron. He’s going to get a taste of his own medicine.

Dan Hicks: Cheaters don’t win

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZffILfGqerM&list=RDZffILfGqerM&start_radio=1

354240 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to awildgoose, 2, #22 of 2161 🔗

What?! Get screwed Chicoms. Are Rickshaws next? And all the other low end means of conveyance to be found in Asia and elsewhere? No more bicycles built for two? Sorry Princess N N.

353002 captainbeefheart, 23, #23 of 2161 🔗

My apologies to Black Sabbath…

Children of tomorrow live in the tiers that fall today
Will the sun rise up tomorrow bringing peace in any way?
Must the world live in the shadow of COVID-19 fear?
Can they win the fight for truth or will they disappear?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U39EiI-NR4I – it even has an NHS rainbow

STOP PRESS 1: It’s all going to end on the 14th of March, 357 days after it started. The longest three weeks in history. 17 times longer than a regular three weeks.

STOP PRESS 2: It probably won’t, I just made that up

353003 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 59, #24 of 2161 🔗

As the Cabinet, advised by Gillette, passes an emergency decree mandating the wearing of seventeen (17) masks (‘You thought 16 kept you safe????? 17 keep you even safer!!!!!’), each stitched from a different smart fabric skilfully woven at dead of night by eight-year-olds in Bangladesh and now activated and consecrated by the sacred halitosis of Greta Thunberg…
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Chief Medical Officer for England Chris Whitty, 
arriving for today’s press briefing on the new restrictions.

As the government issues an edict prohibiting night from following day and clarifying that the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse must provide a negative PCR test result and quarantine for eleven days (NB twelve days in Rutland) before entering the country…
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And as the Pope across the water issues the bull “Inter Testiculos” excommunicating the President of the United States, “all the bad people who scare all the good people”, pretzels (“they’re too salty and dry out the mouth to no purpose, yet it’s impossible to stop eating them”) and the late Val Doonican (“the guy just had NO EDGE”)…
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… FINALLY our brave police step in to restore order.
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353015 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 30, #25 of 2161 🔗

Is it true hancock is going to mandate compulsory triple layers of underwear to combat rectal atmospheric discharge of Coronovirus ?

353018 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 12, #26 of 2161 🔗

Chill everyone, Le Comité de Salut Public is in charge to protect us from all harm.

353022 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 26, #27 of 2161 🔗

Guillotine everybody. No head – no breathing – cannot pass on infection.

353053 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 19, #28 of 2161 🔗

But Starmer considers this to be a half-measure. The heads should be impaled on spikes afterwards, with masks on of course.

353719 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Waldorf, 5, #29 of 2161 🔗

The spikes will of course be sanitised first.

354310 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, 1, #30 of 2161 🔗

With new and improved Handiwipes.

353074 ▶▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 14, #31 of 2161 🔗

The ‘science’ says that asymptomatic transmission from the falling head to the executioner and watching public is ‘real and dangerous’ given the new ‘variant’ (which can fly for hundreds of miles)…..

353133 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to karenovirus, 6, #32 of 2161 🔗

I did suggest wearing a second set of underwear to my Dandelion parents many months ago – they weren’t impressed.

353051 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #33 of 2161 🔗

Those masks have that Eyes Wide Shut thing going.

353062 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Waldorf, 23, #34 of 2161 🔗

Eyes Wide Shut borrowed from the Venetian Carnival. The beaked one is the Medico della Peste, or Plague Doctor. Physicians wore such beaked masks, filled with raw garlic, while “treating” plague victims, so that the powerful smell of the garlic would ward off the foul-smelling contagious miasma steaming off the unfortunate patient, and so protect the doctor from the plague. Studies coincidentally funded by leading multinational garlic producers confirmed the efficacy of the masks. (It’s all true until the last sentence.)

353085 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #35 of 2161 🔗

More bleeding! More bleeding! It must work eventually.

353720 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #36 of 2161 🔗

It never fails. Ask John Keats.

354299 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #37 of 2161 🔗

Italians have been cooking with garlic ever since.

353135 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 26, #38 of 2161 🔗

Joyous news today. We can announce that after careful modelling by Mystic Meg Ferguson and the titanic efforts of the BBC Weather boffins who bothered to look up what happens every year, that the days are now definitely getting longer again. Yippee, folks. Yes, all our sacrifices have paid off, the extra deaths, the collapsed businesses, the suspension of schooling. It worked! Spring is on the way again. The gods of planetary motion have heard our prayers. We have turned the corner and I have saved the nation from endless Winter just like what that lion, Aslan did, clever me, and we’ve proved those lockdown sceptics wrong. In yer face, Toby.

353168 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 4, #39 of 2161 🔗

Johnson’s press briefing sorted. You do realise regime employees read this site? Don’t give away all the good material. At least try to plant some little tell that it’s satire.

353191 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 3, #40 of 2161 🔗

Any day now we shall achieve victory, win the war against this virus and stride across the sunlit uplands.

353540 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #41 of 2161 🔗

just one last sacrifice from the people first.

354250 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #42 of 2161 🔗

If you have hundreds of these you should string them together and include an audio backdrop, like Varèse’s Poème Électrique (1958).

354285 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #43 of 2161 🔗

Ooops! Électronique.

353004 Steve Hayes, 9, #44 of 2161 🔗

I cannot even begin to imagine how the Woke would respond to this: https://youtu.be/WrOeTSAu7Is
Any ideas?

353006 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 26, #45 of 2161 🔗

From the top of the main article.
Someone posted the other day about likes/dislikes on YouTube sites such as the Telegraph and Sky News that do not allow comments.

This is what Telegraph YouTube viewers think of Priti Patel

353070 ▶▶ Thomasina, replying to karenovirus, 25, #46 of 2161 🔗

Just wish she could pronounce he ‘ings’. Collectin, damagin, – its very annoying and I find it hard to listen to her.

353078 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Thomasina, 17, #47 of 2161 🔗

Glad you said that, I find it incredibly annoying too.

353130 ▶▶▶▶ Julian_S, replying to kh1485, 18, #48 of 2161 🔗

It’s irritatin’ beyond belief

354120 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to kh1485, 4, #49 of 2161 🔗

And very incorrect English; I was told in the Army, very firmly, that the only correct usages of -in’ are huntin’ shootin’ fishin’ and poachin’. None of which she is likely to do.

353347 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Thomasina, 7, #50 of 2161 🔗

Yep, I first noticed it a couple of years ago. It irritates me so much I actually don’t listen to what she is saying but how she says it, waiting for her to enunciate every ‘ing’ word. Another one who also does it is Beth Rigby of Sky News.

353752 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Thomasina, 5, #51 of 2161 🔗

They know it’s wrong, why don’t they just say it right? I can say “in” or “ing”, and I’m sure they can too…

353868 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to Thomasina, 2, #52 of 2161 🔗

Alf Ramsey used to do that, omit his g’s. Where is he now? Could he come back and run Dept Justice, NHS, Education…?

353077 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to karenovirus, 1, #53 of 2161 🔗

Hindoo Home Sec pretty damn useless. I have decided to be the Anglo White Home Sec over in India. Just for giggles and to see if that is racist or not.

353094 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to FerdIII, 4, #54 of 2161 🔗

Just keep an eye out for chaps in dhotis running through the night clutching chapatis.

353154 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to karenovirus, 5, #55 of 2161 🔗

I looked her up in Wiki and actually found much to admire about her previous political beliefs and record . She claimed to be an admirer of Mrs Thatcher which will annoy many here no doubt, but it represents a clear distinction from the majority of current Tory MPs who all , following the example of the pathetic Cameron, aspire to be “heirs to Blair”.
I doubt if the current restrictions are to her liking , but she does not yet have the power to influence the malign lobbying from the Whitty- Hancock – media alliance.
We should remember that in her early political career as a minister Mrs Thatcher had to oversee the destruction of the grammr schools at the orders of the disgusting and discredited Heath, against I am sure her basic instincts.

353166 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mikewaite, 3, #56 of 2161 🔗

Thatcher also presided over the ending of the provision of free milk in schools earning her that famous nickname. People forget however that plans to end free milk in schools was already in the pipeline long before Thatcher became Education secretary.

353214 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #57 of 2161 🔗

To be fair though Bart, that free milk probably put an entire generation off milk for a lifetime. It was fine in the middle of winter when it was ice cold but I still gag at the thought of it in summer when it was verging on rancid.

353264 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 4, #58 of 2161 🔗

Yes I remember that too kh….I used to get the blame as I was a milk monitor lol!

353266 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #59 of 2161 🔗

My sympathies! And remember too the horrible paper straw that collapsed as you were doing your darndest to drink the milk as quickly as possible. Oh happy days …

353275 ▶▶▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to kh1485, 7, #60 of 2161 🔗

Warm milk made me vomit when I was a child, after I’d done it a couple of times in the classroom, I was not required to drink it! No doubt these days I’d’ve been declared lactose intolerant. I’ve always enjoyed a glass of ice cold milk though with no ill effects.

353319 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to dorset dumpling, 5, #61 of 2161 🔗

At least you didn’t have to wear a lanyard!

353838 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dorset dumpling, 1, #62 of 2161 🔗

There was a child in my class who did that – in Dorset.
Of course you may not have been the only one I guess!
Lol!

353281 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to kh1485, 3, #63 of 2161 🔗

remember that too. Can’t drink milk except a bit in coffee and tea

353314 ▶▶▶▶▶ fourth_horseman, replying to kh1485, 2, #64 of 2161 🔗

Yes, in Summer the full fat milk was warm, in winter it had lumps of ice, many brought Nesquik milk shake powder to disguise the taste.

353326 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #65 of 2161 🔗

I’ve heard of stories like that. Plus milk by then was affordable and the government didn’t see why it had to waste money providing something that households could afford. But as always it takes ages to get things done and once they get on with it, its the sitting minister who has to carry the can.

353729 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #66 of 2161 🔗

I can’t drink milk, it makes me heave and vomit. The struggle not to have the vile stuff forced down my throat is a vivid childhood memory. I was expelled from nursery school for absolutely refusing to drink hot milk.

353820 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to kh1485, 2, #67 of 2161 🔗

and the smell of the empty unwashed bottles at the end of a day in the sun – eeeww!

355169 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to kh1485, #68 of 2161 🔗

Oh gross. They tried to foist off fat free milk on us too as kids. I refused to drink it and took calcium tablets instead. The only milk I’d drink was that nice whole milk banana flavored sweetened stuff they had in the school vending machines right next to the soda!

353268 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #69 of 2161 🔗

Also Labour closed more mines than the Tories
They just finished it brutally rather than softly softly

353279 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #70 of 2161 🔗

It certainly put me off drinking milk as a drink, still hate it. Vividly remember at the age of 5 in the school yard being told I had to drink that 1/3 pint of the stuff that I just didn’t want to. Of course in those days wartime rationing still was to some extent around and it was thought the milk provision was good.

353532 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to davews, #71 of 2161 🔗

It was good for kids whose parents couldn’t afford, or couldn’t be arsed, to feed them.

353220 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to mikewaite, 5, #72 of 2161 🔗

Surely, if her basic instincts are against this, if she had any integrity she would resign and speak her truth from the back benches.

353261 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to mikewaite, 9, #73 of 2161 🔗

She is a nasty little authoritarian and not very bright to boot as well as sounding like a moron with her ‘g’ dropping. I suspect she got selected for her seat because she made ‘Right’ sounding noises in the face of a swamp of leftist Tory hopefuls. Maybe she was just about bright enough to work this out but when the chance came to be a demagogic hard line Home Secretary it was too much to resist.

Anyone who votes for her, whatever their political views are, must be completely mad.

353289 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Boris Bullshit, #74 of 2161 🔗

story I heard was that she got the Home sec job as she was the constituencies aka swivelled eyed loons choice for leader

353571 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #75 of 2161 🔗

Anyone who votes for a mainstream party MP at this point are completely mad. There is no legitimate opposition in Westminster. The only option for me is to enjoy spoiling my paper with a well-worded condemnation of the ‘British’ political system.

354235 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to J4mes, 3, #76 of 2161 🔗

I agree I dont see any difference between any of them. Its not a govt with an 80 seat majority its a coalition of Tories,Labour,SNP,Lib Dem and Green without a rice paper of difference between them.

354408 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #77 of 2161 🔗

The top ones are all selected by the same interests. There then can be an ‘open and free election’ with no fear of their interests being harmed. This is a variation on the “it’s not the votes that count, but who counts the votes” approach.

354223 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mikewaite, 1, #78 of 2161 🔗

I suspect she thinks that if she throws her weight about, it will make her like her heroine.
However, she’s unlikely to come even as close as dePiffle with his pathetic emulation of Churchill.

354400 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to mikewaite, 1, #79 of 2161 🔗

Thatcher also declared that the rise of Tory Bliar and New Labour was her proudest achievement – the epitomy of TINA There Is No Alternative.

353187 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #80 of 2161 🔗

More flattering images of Priti can be found here:

https://youtu.be/ulj8GqOJCpE

353008 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #81 of 2161 🔗

Tony Heller briefly compares places that imposed mask mandates with places that didn’t, and finds no evidence for the claim that masks reduce transmission of the virus. Democrats Listen To The Scientists

http://newtube.app/TonyHeller/0lGWgF4

353011 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #82 of 2161 🔗

Has anyone done a league table as per Covid deaths/million inhabitants for the second half of the year only yet? That or ones that go up until now/from the introduction of mask mandates should indicate a correlation and even causation that masks and lockdowns actually increased Covid deaths as I would expect Tanzania, Belarus and Sweden to be among the least deadly countries in H2 based upon the recent figures and lack of noise from there.

353028 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to JayBee, 14, #83 of 2161 🔗

Yesterdays ONS end of year figures showed that for England & Wales in 2020 there were 14% more deaths than the 5 year rolling average. 10.6% of those were in April/May and we know what happened then. For the remaining 10 months of 2020 deaths above the 5 yer average (sometimes called excess deaths) were 3.4 % above the 5 year average. This in itself is hardly significant but if you take into account ageing populations etc. that % comes down to not very much.
So my conclusion is that outside of April/May 2020 the English&Welsh death figures are nothing extraordinary one way or the other.

353034 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #84 of 2161 🔗

Steve.
You asked yesterday if I had further information on plans to move Covid patients from the East of England to the S/W.
I was told of this by an NHS frontline worker on Monday.
A LS reader posted on Tuesday that it was already happening at his local hospital in, I think, Somerset.

353236 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cbird, replying to karenovirus, 2, #85 of 2161 🔗

My Devon MP also confirmed in her reply to me last week that this was already being done (she didn’t specify from which region they had been transferred)

353788 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to karenovirus, 2, #86 of 2161 🔗

Yep that was me. One in our hospital at the moment.

353039 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #87 of 2161 🔗

Let’s play spot the pandemic

354413 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to sophie123, 1, #88 of 2161 🔗

That is an excellent presentation.

A better caption might be “Spot the Second Wave”

353058 ▶▶▶▶ Glodzie, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #89 of 2161 🔗

Agreed. Ciorrecting for age and popuklation is important.

No idea why my post on age & population corrected figures has disappeared. I shared my calculated excess deaths (using ONS age/population corrected figures for the 12 months up to November). The figure is 37000. When the data for december becomes available this will rise to – perhaps- 45000. Way less than the comparison with uncorrected average figures used in the weekly data.

Not the black death by any stretch of the imagination – of course the zealots will assert this is all because of lockdown.

I give up.

353091 ▶▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Glodzie, 8, #90 of 2161 🔗

LD killed 45.000.

Gov’t estimates are that due to LDs 200.000 may die.

Don’t give up. LDs kill.

Real CV deaths is about 30.000. Rest are with CV if you believe the tests which I don’t.

355077 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Glodzie, 1, #91 of 2161 🔗

In Quebec the government claims that 8,300 + have died so far from Covid, out of a population of 8.5 million. That equals 0.001 percent.
One thousandth of one percent.

353083 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #92 of 2161 🔗

45.000 died from the LDs but the Fake News does not report on that.

Also the raw data does not add up. Nov 13th they said 529K dead in the UK. Now, for the year, 697K….this means 3300 died per day from Nov 13 to Dec 31. This did not happen. So the total number is also wrong.

353531 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to FerdIII, #93 of 2161 🔗

Deleted

353855 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #94 of 2161 🔗

I was talking about Covid deaths only, a league table not showing the total, but the total from 1.7.20 or the start of the mask mandates.
This should show a very positive picture for Sweden versus e.g
Germany, and a disaster for masks.

354623 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #95 of 2161 🔗

These masks look more and more stupid by the day.

353012 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 51, #96 of 2161 🔗

It must be midweek. Lights at ends of tunnels are being paraded. Next big slapdown coming on Friday.

353128 ▶▶ Basics, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #97 of 2161 🔗

That is the pattern. The ruin weekend routine. Looming from Thurday onwards.

354635 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Basics, 2, #98 of 2161 🔗

They are now backed in corner and have nowhere else to go as they have messed the whole pandemic up with their ludicrous measures and are now panicking because the narrative is breaking down.

355092 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, #99 of 2161 🔗

Like an old jalopy.

353017 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 96, #100 of 2161 🔗

Tell anyone who willingly gets a PCR test outside of being an inpatient that they are the reason we are f**ked as a nation.

If less get tested the magical ‘R’ number will be less significant.

Mike Yadon was correct in saying that mass testing is what will keep us in this situation.

353021 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TheBigman, 38, #101 of 2161 🔗

The forcing of NHS patients to have a Covid 19 test is unethical.

353573 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #102 of 2161 🔗

If, for example, I broke my wrist and went into hospital to have it looked at and refused a covid test – would they refuse to treat me? Has this scenario cropped up yet?

353653 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to John Galt, 10, #103 of 2161 🔗

Yes it has. There was a report on here of a chap who fell of his bike and was taken to hospital and refused treatment until he agreed to be tested for Covid with the PCR test.

353714 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John Galt, 17, #104 of 2161 🔗

Yes. I have had this experience. I fell off my bike and broke my hip. The hospital would not treat me until I submitted to a Covid 19 test. You can read my observations here: https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2021/01/admitted-to-hospital-in-time-of.html

354128 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #105 of 2161 🔗

Just read it. Awful experience. Truly sorry – both for the broken hip and also for the ridiculous treatment re Covid test.

354429 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #106 of 2161 🔗

One consoling factor – the test was probably done in house and not by a for-profit testing company with no desire to see its business plan disappearing into the ether.

355094 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ken Garoo, #107 of 2161 🔗

Who cares where it was done? That was blackmail.

353679 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #108 of 2161 🔗

But universal.

353031 ▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to TheBigman, 10, #109 of 2161 🔗

The big man.there are many people who have no choice in the matter .healthcare is one and many other employers insist..job or test..you have to think about that as I know given the choice it would be no. There are plenty of sheep who queue up I know sadly.

353105 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to miahoneybee, 8, #110 of 2161 🔗

Very true – that employers aren’t helping here and it’s not just individuals at fault – of demanding all these darn tests. One does think of the tale of someone being told to jump (ie when it’s unreasonable expectation) and the response being “How high?”

353237 ▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to miahoneybee, 3, #111 of 2161 🔗

Indeed. My son is being tested constantly at his place of work.

353660 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to miahoneybee, 12, #112 of 2161 🔗

Of course, it will be the vaccine or your job very soon. Now that really needs resisting at all costs.

353935 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Rowan, 5, #113 of 2161 🔗

Download the vaxx letter here

https://freedomtaker.com/

and get your work/GP to sign it (hint – they won’t )

353076 ▶▶ nootnoot, replying to TheBigman, 54, #114 of 2161 🔗

I have a sister in law who is a hypochondriac. So far she has had herself, husband and son go for about 4 covid tests even when one of them had just a brief sneeze of sniffles. In all cases negative but I’ve no doubt it’s people like her that are part of the issue.

353139 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to nootnoot, 22, #115 of 2161 🔗

When the hysteria stops (call me a wild optimist but the Salem witch-hunts, manic dancing outbreaks etc. all ended eventually) she may feel nostalgic for the days nearly everyone was a hypochondriac too.

353151 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Waldorf, 5, #116 of 2161 🔗

Thanks Waldorf for your wild optimism. I keep telling myself that too. I’ve been to Salem – lovely place, nice to tourists, no risk of being burned as a witch.

353241 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Alethea, 10, #117 of 2161 🔗

Yes, witches are now tolerated but non-mask wearers are not, so watch your step.

353112 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TheBigman, 13, #118 of 2161 🔗

My cleaning lady arrived yesterday in a black spangly mask as she had a cold. She had been to Canterbury to be tested by Gurkhas (very efficient). Got the negative LFT result minutes later on her phone. She has quite a few elderly (more than me) clients so I felt that was fair enough. Her daughter a midwife is being LFT tested by NHS as a work requirement. LFT test use suggests HMG want to get the numbers down now (as with students at St Andrews and Cambridge and truck drivers at Manston).

353138 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 10, #119 of 2161 🔗

My son was tested a couple of times in hospital recently, I was pleased to see it was LFT. Negative both times. They tested everyone in A&E once they got beyond the swing doors.

353162 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 20, #120 of 2161 🔗

If she has a cold she should stay away. I’d have told her to come back when she’s well. Were the spangles snots? Common sense should be keep yourself to yourself if you are coughing, sneezing and runny nose. Beats me what people think a test achieves. Basic rule, if it doesn’t affect what you do about it, no point doing it. If it’s coronavirus, rhinovirus, RSV, etc etc so what. They all need treating the same. Stay out of circulation until you aren’t spraying it about and smearing door handles (if you can). All these bugs can make the vulnerable poorly. Elevating this one is religion. …and breathe….

353193 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 15, #121 of 2161 🔗

I noticed a lot of social media / MSM noise yesterday trying to discredit the LFT as worthless in that it misses too many “cases” and that only PCR should count. Obviously I disagree but it’s clear “they” aren’t getting the results they want.

353357 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fiona Walker, 7, #122 of 2161 🔗

They mean LFT misses too many false positives lol.

353667 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #123 of 2161 🔗

Love it.

353552 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 7, #124 of 2161 🔗

Yes a gradual switch from PCR to LF is the way out for the government. Then in March they can claim that lockdown + vaccines did the trick.

353676 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ken Gardner, 6, #125 of 2161 🔗

The government doesn’t want a way out unless it includes jabbing us all with one of Bill Gates’s terminator vaccines.

353122 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TheBigman, 29, #126 of 2161 🔗

The memo should be circulated far and wide: STOP GETTING TESTED!!!

353282 ▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #127 of 2161 🔗

Maybe if the Beast from the East arrives later next week, folk won’t be able to go and get tested.

353336 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to dorset dumpling, #128 of 2161 🔗

Makes we wish we do have a Beast From the East!

353892 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #129 of 2161 🔗

The biggest problem is the worried well although in my opinion they’ve always been a big drain on the NHS and doctors simply collude with them.
At my workplace and in the NHS trust I previously worked for all testing for staff is voluntary. However I believe there’s only me and one other colleague ( another sceptic) who’ve refused to submit to this.

355097 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bart Simpson, #130 of 2161 🔗

Yep!

353125 ▶▶ Basics, replying to TheBigman, 9, #131 of 2161 🔗

Did all that. The local police, yes police, had written to people I know telling them to get tested. Having never been invloved with the policing and living life as though in the 1950s they complied.

One of their results came back as inconclusive. Yes inconclusive. So they tested you again surely I said, the police contacted you to protect life, you are in their vulnerable category afterall. Not a bit of it – the NHS test centre couldn’t give less of a care about health. Simply another human unit converted into data.

So, two ‘vulndrable’ may or may not have the virus just told to return as you were. Well the result is the 1950s are gone and they get me now – an awakening.

353177 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to TheBigman, 10, #132 of 2161 🔗

they should start charging for the tests – even a nominal £10 would reduce the number of idiots being tested for a sniffle. For those whose employers require it they would pay for the test for employees, or get free e.g. care homes/hospitals (which i think is a reasonable to test when caring for elderly)

353476 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #133 of 2161 🔗

Do you not know that they are offering INCENTIVES to people?! In the summer, any parent taking their child for a test was being offering £150 in amazon vouchers. If you are struggling to feed your kids, that’s what you’re gonna do. It’s sick!

354811 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #134 of 2161 🔗

A now ex-friend of mine volunteered to be tested on a regular basis and is getting £400 in vouchers. The government clearly wanted as many cases as it could possibly get and people still think it is basically well intentioned.

353844 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to TheBigman, 4, #135 of 2161 🔗

Mercola on PCR today: It’s accurate only up to a ct of 17!

354077 ▶▶ Janette, replying to TheBigman, 2, #136 of 2161 🔗

My sentiments exactly. Why the hell get tested when you have no symptoms?? Absolute madness!

354737 ▶▶ Antonedes, replying to TheBigman, 2, #137 of 2161 🔗

I did wonder, when they came up with c. 50,000 positive PCR on Christmas Day? That must mean 100s of 1000s of tests: on Christmas Day? Where did all those punters come from?

353019 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 10, #138 of 2161 🔗

I got a covid swab done because of some dumb procedure. God it’s unpleasant. I was wincing in pain throughout and my eye teared up.

353020 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Caramel, 14, #139 of 2161 🔗

Forced or coerced medical procedures are unethical. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/consent-to-treatment/

353027 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #140 of 2161 🔗

The principle of consent ….is an important part of human rights laws they state. Could masks not be considered medical interventions in that they are interventions in response to claimimg mitigating harms from a virus. There are also robust protections detailed for vaccinations with regard to consent and coercion, I think more people need to start quoting back what is clearly stated in their own policies and procedures, particularly with forced PCR swabs.

353057 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Hattie, 11, #141 of 2161 🔗

My daughter has an exam today.She was told she could only attend after having a test.

353109 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #142 of 2161 🔗

The most ridiculous example of them forcing these tests onto us yet. Surely they could have kept their officious little selves happy by doing anti-social distancing?

353110 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 3, #143 of 2161 🔗

Which sort of exam was it btw?

353025 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Caramel, 22, #144 of 2161 🔗

Yes, unpleasant. They rummaged for a good 10 seconds which left me with the feeling when you accidentally inhale water up your nose swimming, next day sinuses congested and I haven’t even had a cold in 4 years. Those working in care homes being forced to endure this twice a week should challenge the authorities with potential compensation claims if damage or chronic conditions occur from frequent testing. Pain is an indication of harm, your body’s warning sign, so if these swabs hurt then an element of tissue or some damage is occurring. Once is one thing but twice plus times weekly for … months.

354088 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Hattie, 2, #145 of 2161 🔗

Don’t allow anyone to do the up-the-nose part of the test for you. It is very easy to cause damage. If they insist, then tell them that any injury which causes a nose-bleed will cause them to be personally sued.

353117 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Caramel, 6, #146 of 2161 🔗

Strange the virus chooses to lodge on brain wall and not closer to the outside wall.

Didn’t you find it inspiring to have a similar procedure done to that which egyptian pharaohs had? Removing their brian via nose to pop in a little keep sake jar by their sarcophagus. You even did it live! Something those pharaoh chickens never did.

353119 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Caramel, 5, #147 of 2161 🔗

The efficient Gurkhas at Canterbury had sick bags ready (see above). On their way to Falklands on Canberra they trained finding their way round the ship in blindfolds in case the lights went out in an attack.

353023 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 91, #148 of 2161 🔗

If Donald Trump would have fully embraced lockdowns in March 2020, demanding masks and curfews for the whole of the USA, I guarantee that millions of trendy, middle-class liberals would be protesting for their freedoms right now.

Unfortunately, like everything else these days, Covid-19 has been completely absorbed into the black hole that is the culture wars. This has nothing to do with science or busy hospitals. It’s entirely political.

353030 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Scotty87, 21, #149 of 2161 🔗

Initially some of the biggest Covid hysteric media were shocked by the measures the Chinese were taking in Wuhan. They must have got the memo later.

353210 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Waldorf, 14, #150 of 2161 🔗

Initially the good people were opposed to travel bans – at the only time they might have had some benefit – because that would be xenophobic. The WHO was against them for that reason. It was claimed that Covid was not the major problem. Racism was the greater danger, and any measure that might be construed as such should be resisted.

Those same people shortly afterwards were demanding house arrest for all.

353913 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Ovis, 8, #151 of 2161 🔗

That’s true – I had forgotten that one. Around February 2020 anti-Chinese racism was seen as the main danger from covid.

It’s rainy today, but I may force myself to go out later, to ensure that I breach the “stay at home” injunction.

355101 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Waldorf, #152 of 2161 🔗

Or plain envelopes.

353033 ▶▶ danny, replying to Scotty87, 12, #153 of 2161 🔗

It’s an interesting what if.
I think even more confused would be what if Corbyn had won here and then Covid came along.
Given that his own party were intent on labelling him a dangerous anarchist before he ever even opened his mouth and conspired against him even more than the opposition, what would have happened?
My guess is, he would have gone down the lockdown route initially too, caving to pressure, whilst labour and the conservatives would have taken the moment to accuse him of dictatorial powers and essentially the same overreach and harm to society that hasn’t been our anti-lockdown message since day one, and removed him from office

353180 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to danny, #154 of 2161 🔗

He’s the oldest student politician in the country. He would have been steamrollered on Day One while standing in the middle of the road wailing “actually all I want to do is grow marrows!”

353350 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to danny, #155 of 2161 🔗

not unless he took advice from his brother.

As a side note when they were trying to smear Corbyn I was surprised that no enterprising journalist ever asked him “do your share the same views as your brother Piers on climate change?”

353698 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to danny, 1, #156 of 2161 🔗

Yes Corbyn would likely have buckled. However, they couldn’t take any chances, so he had to be neutralised well before the election, which he well and truly was.

353718 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to danny, 10, #157 of 2161 🔗

What is clear is that the politicians are not in charge.
The world has been taken over by digital technocrats.
They have captured national governments through supranational organisations (like the WHO, IMF) and through national institutions (like the NHS, Imperial College in the UK).
They control the media to make sure politicians and population stay in line,

Politicians aren’t deciding a thing here.

354132 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to danny, 1, #158 of 2161 🔗

Remember he voted against the second lockdown. If you want to see what the press did to him, look at the report done by the LSE. 70% or news articles were either inaccurate or insulting.

353124 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Scotty87, 12, #159 of 2161 🔗

Pelosi etc. protested the initial travel ban from China and were filmed encouraging people to visit a ‘China Town’ district for New Year.

353389 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #160 of 2161 🔗

And told people to go hug someone from Chinatown to prove how wrong orange man was. I wonder what sleepy Joe or Hilary would have done?

355107 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #161 of 2161 🔗

Anything that Trump suggested doing they denounced. Including HCQ and other potential cures. Hypocrites.

353335 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Scotty87, 2, #162 of 2161 🔗

when he cancelled transatlantic flights in April preventing my family from a reunion they were definitely cursing Trump’s name.

353480 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Scotty87, 7, #163 of 2161 🔗

Totally! This is EXACTLY the point! Lockdowns are ENTIRELY political. Every western leader hated DT (IMO with good reason) but fell into the trap. When he said DON’T DO IT… it was the big push for them to do the opposite. That is populist politics in action and we are all the victims. There is NO science behind lockdowns and masks, it is ALL political. Those 16 Tory MPs who voted against this horrific (far worse than 1.0 and 2.0) lockdown are the only ones willing to recognise and stay strong and not fall into the populist trap.

354137 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Scotty87, 6, #164 of 2161 🔗

Yes indeed well said. A friend from North Carolina just pointed out how New York suddenly wants to open up now that Biden is president-elect… after months of shut downs and extreme lock downs… now that they feel their goal is in reach, they can stop the farce that is Covid19. Never mind the thousands of people they killed along the way. By the way… the nurse video from Journeyman Pictures that filmed undercover in a NYC hospital is NOT to be missed.

353024 Glodzie, replying to Glodzie, 21, #165 of 2161 🔗

Nerd alert.

Regarding the article (lockdown sceptics today) on ONS age standardised deathrates. I had already done this same analysis and would like to point out that you can calculate an age standardised “excess deaths” figure too. All data is for England and Wales only.

To see why correcting for this is important note the change in population over 5 years:

0-74 75+ Total
Jan 2015 48,324,589 4,755,534 53,080,123
Jan 2020 52,426,617 5,219,054 57,645,671

Using 5 year average death totals (as in the ONS weekly data) and trumpetted by the media shows excess reported deaths – for 53 weeks ending 1st Jan 2021 is 75031 . They are also reporting “Deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate” as 80830

Whereas (using 5 year average mortality data and thereby correcting for population and age profile) we see the excess deaths for 12 months ending in November 2020 is 37032 .

This will rise (I estimate 45000 ) when the data for December 2020 becomes available but it is clear that excess deaths for 2020 are substantially lower when corrected for population and age profile.

I suppose a figure of 40000 is not as headline grabbing as 80000 but is much nearer the truth. COVID is nasty but it is not the Black Death and well within the range seen in my lifetime.

353099 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Glodzie, 4, #166 of 2161 🔗

Comports with the 45.000 dead from LD’s not from CV. So your analysis is sensible.

355109 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Glodzie, #167 of 2161 🔗

Hyperbole on steroids since last March.

353026 danny, replying to danny, 24, #168 of 2161 🔗

I see in the DM, an outraged story in Hollywood about Bruce Willis being asked to leave a shop for refusing to wear a muzzle.
The comments beneath the article are quite reflective of where we are. For every single comment essentially applauding, there are 10 denouncing him as the anti-Christ.

353032 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to danny, 12, #169 of 2161 🔗

I am trying to imagine the response of Butch in Pulp Fiction to all the Covid hysteria. Fabienne would have gone nuts.

353035 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Waldorf, 10, #170 of 2161 🔗

Maybe Bruce is still having flash backs from his time in the basement….bring out the gimp, unfortunately we seem to be surrounded by them

353036 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to stefarm, 4, #171 of 2161 🔗

“The Gimp as societal role model – discuss”.

353056 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Waldorf, 8, #172 of 2161 🔗

I think that will be my face gear of choice in Morrisons from now on
The reactions will be priceless

353127 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #173 of 2161 🔗

V. good!

355113 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to stefarm, #174 of 2161 🔗

How about Schwarzenegger shooting out his mouth this week? Compared what happened in D.C. last week to Cristalnacht in 30s Germany.

355115 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #175 of 2161 🔗

The U.S. House of Representatives voted to impeach Trump late today. Ten Republicans voted with the Democrats.

353940 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Waldorf, 4, #176 of 2161 🔗

I’ve just imagined Shitty donning black-face and an afro wig playing Jules and us poor fucks being represented by Brad…

Jules: “There’s an unprecedented pandemic on, where’s your fuckin mask?”

Brad: “What? But the masks don’t stop the virus as the virus is smaller than the filtration capabilities of the mask. ”

Jules: “People dropping like flies cause mother-fuckers like you ain’t wearing your shit and you getting all dimensional on me?”

Brad: “What?”

Jules: “What fuckin dimension are you from?

Brad: “What?”

Jules: “They speak English in what?

Brad: “What?”

Jules: “Mother-fucker say what one more time and I’ll see if the virus can get through the holes I’m gonna put in your sorry ass. Now, do you know who my granny is?”

Brad: “Wh, no, no, I’ve never had the pleasure.”

Jules: “Oh you’re learning real fast. My granny makes lemonade to die for and fried chicken so good you don’t lick your fingers, you chew them mother-fuckers right off. Now I can see you ain’t met my granny as you appear to have all your fuckin fingers, so enlighten me. Why the fuck are you trying to kill her?”

Brad: “Whaat?”

Booooom

353042 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to danny, 25, #177 of 2161 🔗

The comments below DM articles are schizophrenic. Lockdown mask wearing zealots beneath article and sceptics the next. I suspect it depends whether the 77 get there first.

353046 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Van Allen, 14, #178 of 2161 🔗

I’ve noticed that too. It’s really odd!

353116 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to danny, 3, #179 of 2161 🔗

…and, again, the use of the word “ask” – when they weren’t asking at all = they were ordering him to or one could use the word “telling”. “Ask” means making a request the listener is free to either agree or disagree with.

353603 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to danny, 4, #180 of 2161 🔗

Great. Bruce Willis!!!

353611 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 1, #181 of 2161 🔗

Sorry to burst the bubble, I’m afraid it’s man down – just seen a report that he capitulated and said “sorry”.

354280 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 1, #182 of 2161 🔗

Oh bummer!

354073 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to danny, #183 of 2161 🔗

Good man, Bruce!

354274 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to danny, 1, #184 of 2161 🔗

Lots of paid trolls infest the DM comments.

355111 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to danny, #185 of 2161 🔗

I was born in North Hollywood. Hung out on the Sunset Strip with my two brothers and lots of friends in ’66, ’67 and ’68. Good times. High Times. If you’re a viper.

353029 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 20, #186 of 2161 🔗

Just now JHB on talkRADIO: “Wear your mask, it is a legal requirement”. And there was me thinking TR was an oasis of sanity.

353040 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to kh1485, 12, #187 of 2161 🔗

Perhaps being accused of misinformation and being briefly taken off Youtube got to them. Still better than most other outlets but RT is better on many issues as well – but none of them are really any damn good.

353047 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Waldorf, 23, #188 of 2161 🔗

Maybe. But it was an irresponsible piece of broadcasting. There was no follow-up comment about those who can claim exemption. I have just fired off an e-mail of complaint.

As I said yesterday, they are almost giving tacit approval for the aggressors in this (i.e. the masked-up) to have a go.

353044 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to kh1485, 61, #189 of 2161 🔗

She has always been like that about masks. I think some people just think they are no big deal (for them) so what’s the problem? and lack the insight to realise that for some people they are a Very Big Deal Indeed, for a variety of reasons.

My reasons are that they are dehumanising and I refuse to be coerced into to what amounts to no more than a superstitious belief. To force me would cause me severe distress, so not going to wear one.

353050 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to sophie123, 22, #190 of 2161 🔗

Totally agree. But as they keep banging on about, they have a ‘responsibility’ as a broadcaster to put both sides. My main reason for not wearing a mask is on principle.

353783 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to sophie123, 5, #191 of 2161 🔗

The interesting thing is that being distressed about being forced to wear a mask is not socially acceptable.

But being distressed by the fear of catching a coronavirus is not only socially acceptable but aggressively encouraged.

Clearly not all distresses are created equal…

354474 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to stewart, 1, #192 of 2161 🔗

The law regarding face coverings allows for a ‘reasonable excuse’ for not wearing a face covering. It is not limited to a ‘medical exemption’.

A women who was raped with the man holding his hand over her mouth/nose would likely experience severe trauma if forced to wear a mask. She would have a (more than) reasonable excuse for not wearing one. SImilarly someone who is claustrophobic, someone with reduced breathing capacity.

Only police officers, PCSOs, TfL officers and persons specifically designated by the Secretary of Stae for Health are legally allowed to query a person not wearing a mask. Any one else is commiting a potentially unlawful act. An employee doing so also exposes their employer to action, as does any other customer in the premises which acts similarly.

https://laworfiction.com/2020/09/face-covering-some-pretend-law/

353055 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to kh1485, 20, #193 of 2161 🔗

The whole scaremongering is reaching new heights.The mirror trying to kickstart panic buying in a particularly bad article accompanied with a couple of pictures of empty boxes with full ones next to them.Also a picture of a man obviously at cost co or a cash and carry where you do buy in bulk.’
This is so transparent why can the majority not see they are being lied to.

353132 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #194 of 2161 🔗

Have to drive 8 miles to Whitstable for my Sainbury’s click and collect this week, no slots at all at Bysing Wood.

353172 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to kh1485, 2, #195 of 2161 🔗

Very very poor.

353642 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to kh1485, 2, #196 of 2161 🔗
353705 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, 1, #197 of 2161 🔗

That’s weird. It’s totally at odds with her tone and what she said this morning.

353037 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 14, #198 of 2161 🔗

“The government appears to have noticed infections are falling” – these are the first words of LS today,totally accepting the official narrative. Can you please get back to being sceptical. Viruses do what they do;we have no idea how many infections/cases there are as there isn’t a reliable test; we’re not really interested either – what we want to know is whether those who wish to be protected are being protected and that there are enough beds and nurses for those who have poor immunity or are unlucky! And please,please get rid of this ‘woke gobbledegook’ – I log on to support sceptics not to be attacked.

353156 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Bungle, 11, #199 of 2161 🔗

Being sceptical and reporting events are not incompatible. Also the word ‘appears’ indicates the statement is being qualified.

By we who do you mean? All of us, some of us, your good self?

Lastly if you feel attacked by the ‘woke gobbledegook’ segment that is indeed regrettable. ‘We’ think it is valuable and indicative of a greater malaise.

353159 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bungle, 6, #200 of 2161 🔗

I share your feelings about the ‘woke gobbledegook.’ But I care about freedom of speech, too, so I accept it as something the writers of this site want to talk about. I think that my own discomfort with it is something I will put up with, expecting that people here will put up with aspects of my views that they may reject too.

353290 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Alethea, 4, #201 of 2161 🔗

We’ll put. However I’d venture it’s more than ‘something that the writers want to talk about’. Given the freedom loving and inquisitive nature of those on this forum it’s probably something they want to be informed about.

Freedom of Speech is under attack from many quarters. These attacks share much in common, perhaps summed up by ‘if you’re not part of the solution you’re part of the problem’.

As you correctly say live and let live.

353200 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Bungle, 7, #202 of 2161 🔗

“The government appears to have noticed infections are falling” – these are the first words of LS today,totally accepting the official narrative. ”
Eh? This opener is a slightly arch remark and not an acceprance of the narrative at all. The infections are falling anyway, irrespective of their pulling levers not connected to anything but the Govt were busy ranting and screaming because Trusts have over-egged their status. Suddenly, they have looked around and gone oo-er, actually things aren’t getting worse, hold the spittle flecked screaming. I really don’t see how you can read this any other way.
(If you are offended by the gobbledegook then scroll on by and practice the forebearance that the woke singularly fail to exercise. Practice makes perfect.)

353801 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bungle, 3, #203 of 2161 🔗

Agree, but this is the reality of where we are.
We aren’t fighting on the frontier, we are fighting well inside our territory.
All the ground was ceded in a few days in March – the virus is super dangerous, all essential freedoms can be suspended etc. – and we’re having to reclaim all that ground.

That is why I have no respect or sympathy for anyone who thought it was the right thing to do back in March but have since changed their minds, or thought it has gone on for too long.

If you supported locking down last March you are part of the reason we are where we are now.

353038 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #204 of 2161 🔗

Moral dilemma questions on vaccination;

  1. Part of our family, including our twin grandsons are living in Uganda for the next few years. Currently international flights to visit them are not possible but if and when thing ease and flights are allowed I suspect that it will be a requirement to be vaccinated to allow such travel. Do I succumb to the vaccination or do I refuse to go and see my grandchildren?
  2. Via my work retirement group I used to visit an elderly lady in a care home who has few other visitors, clearly visits have not been possible since last March but I have been writing to her. If visits are ever allowed again it will almost certainly be a requirement that I should be vaccinated. Do I get vaccinated so that I can visit this lonely old lady or do I refuse vaccination and deprive her of visits?
353045 ▶▶ danny, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #205 of 2161 🔗

This is a horrible dilemma with no easy answer. You fight all year for sanity and life with family etc to be normal. They take it away from us and then demand you get the vaccine, meaning a refusal will stop you ever getting back to that normal that you fought to keep.
I really don’t envy you. I suppose, if it means being barred from family, I would take it. That, or find an airline that would accept you, and definitely wait and long a seat possible as I do think this will get dropped (eventually).
Good luck and hope that helps.

353129 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to danny, 8, #206 of 2161 🔗

That phrase “a hostage to fortune” sounds very apt if someone that has decided not to have the vaccine feels forced to choose between vax or miss seeing the family (ie because they live abroad).

353048 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #207 of 2161 🔗

I do not see what it is that you consider to be the moral dilemma. If you want to see people and your desire to do so is greater than the cost of doing so and you can afford the cost, surely there is no dilemma?

354309 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #208 of 2161 🔗

We can’t be sure of the cost right now. The vax is untested.

353052 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #209 of 2161 🔗

On point 2, still UK law as per the gov websites are clear that vaccinations have to be given with informed consent, no coercion. On this basis, I can’t see that individual bodies could force this – I know this probably sounds nieve in light of the last 10 months, but I feel the more these rules are challenged with the law, policies available, the more chance we have of not spiralling further into a state of no return. If such a scenario did happen, I would attempt to find other families with relatives in the care home and group fund a lawyer. Uganda will probably want to keep its attraction to foreign workers, tourism etc., so most likely won’t want to deter people.

353147 ▶▶▶ belle, replying to Hattie, 5, #210 of 2161 🔗

This is a great vaccine consent form from UK Medical Freedom Alliance COVID-19 Vaccine Info – UK Medical Freedom Alliance (ukmedfreedom.org)

353066 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #211 of 2161 🔗

Guidance on visiting care homes was updated yesterday. The main point is that visiting being allowed should be the default position (unless there is an outbreak).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/visiting-care-homes-during-coronavirus/update-on-policies-for-visiting-arrangements-in-care-homes

353087 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Martindale, 23, #212 of 2161 🔗

life for the unvaccinated is going to be shit. never mind not travelling overseas or entering carehomes: we are going to be asked to forego our jobs, education, access to medical care, housing, to public transport of all kinds; eventually we will just be locked permanently in our houses, and further down the line, who knows, probably the gulag, or summary execution. How many will hold out against this kind of pressure? most will just think, ‘how bad can it be?’ considering that the unvaccinated life is scarcely worth living, most will cave. I ain’t caving. my position is that if they want to kill me, they are going to have to do it openly, and without my co-operation.

353126 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to JaneHarry, 14, #213 of 2161 🔗

Thankfully I don’t need a home (I own my own), don’t need education, don’t need a job (I’m retired) – but I am concerned in case I am prohibited from using some facilities when they open again (in my case medical and organised social events). So I have more leeway to “hold out” than students and those needing jobs and, if it comes to it (which I hope it never will) then I took the precaution of ordering the committing suicide book someone on here mentioned yesterday that Amazon sells just-in-case. Thankfully, I’m in a part of the country where some of my social group are amongst the “hippies in the woods or up in the hills” and so we can socialise amongst ourselves if need be and doubtless there’ll be some of that. But it is very worrying indeed that “Things might Come Back – but not for us (ie the unvaccinated)” and we might get discriminated against.

354509 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to ElizaP, 1, #214 of 2161 🔗

The vaccine emergency use certicates have numerous exceptions – not to be used for individuals younger than 16 years, pregnant women, immunocompromised, etc, etc. Mandatory vaccination of ‘everybody’ would be a Dr Mengele act. The documents also note that the vaccine may not protect everybody. Relying on vaccination alone as a ‘proof of safety’ is totally flawed (not that mere technicalities like that will bother the technocrats).

It is enshrined in Human Rights Law that the individual has ultimate choice, in order to counter the state imposing drugs on individuals. The key is informed consent and benefits outweighing the side effects. For covid, ~90% of the population are at minimal risk, so the vaccine itself is a greater hazard than the disease. For pneumonic plague, everyone is at risk, so a vaccine en masse would be justified and people would actually not need to be coerced into taking it. There would literally be people dying in the streets, and no, social distancing/mask wearing won’t help.

353157 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #215 of 2161 🔗

Absolutely correct.
Totally agree with your sentiment, the shysters aren’t going to inject their agenda into me either.

353549 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #216 of 2161 🔗

I am not caving soon either, even if that means I cannot get back to UK. My hope is that enough people will resist, which will mean such discrimination/apartheid will probably not be possible. That, IMO, is why it is vital for as many people to resist for as long as possible.

354066 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #217 of 2161 🔗

If you have a UK passport, I don’t think they will be able to bar you from entering. The problem will be finding a carrier, but I am sure that there will be a market for those that want to be outside this dreadful system.

353102 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #218 of 2161 🔗

Would you have a leg cut off?

353137 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #219 of 2161 🔗

Vaccinations for several proper diseases required for Uganda I expect. Perhaps Covid one will get lost in all the paperwork.

353276 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #220 of 2161 🔗

I fell you as I’m in the same dilemma. My parents live abroad and in order for my daughter to see their her grandparents I will probably require a vaccine. I against this untested vaccine but I feel that in awhile the pressure will be too great.

353656 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #221 of 2161 🔗

My laymans opinion:
The care home has no right to know about your medical situation, that includes vaccinations. How will they check? The NHS right know has 2 different systems recording the vaccination on patient records.

Same with the airline. They could ask you, and you lie. At the moment there is no system in place – legal and practical – for them to check what you tell them.

Personally, I would not worry about it, but keep campaigning for this NOT to come into force.

353041 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 42, #222 of 2161 🔗

I’m listening to Radio 4. Absolutely sickening – they are broadcasting various peoples stories of compliance today, rather than talking about those flouting the rules. The interviews are being inserted throughout the programme.

In the first piece a man describes in a flat voice how the rules were meticulously followed at his wife’s funeral. After the family left the church to go to the burial the others all went home. He therefore didn’t get to speak to a single of their friends and could not even thank them for coming. ‘ Because it was not allowed’ There was no wake. He wants to say this because others are flouting Covid rules and he has suffered so much. Yes I don’t doubt that, but the tone of his voice was so mean spirited, chilling almost, the way he is blaming others …. well let’s face it – all of us – for his pain. Worth listening to if anyone has BBC Sounds it was 6:45am. No perhaps don’t, there’s no reason to depress ourselves further. Why don’t people like this put the blame where it lies – with the bloody rule makers!

353049 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Marialta, 20, #223 of 2161 🔗

I used to be a supporter of the BBC but no longer, if any organisation had the expertise and the position to carry out a proper full in context analysis of the situation and the statistics it was the BBC but there whole handling of this virus hoo-ha has been less objective and more scaremongering than the Sun.
It has a chance to partly row back this morning as the ‘More or Less’ programme comes back for another series at 9 this morning. It is usually a bit more objective but not sceptic, I will listen and see?

353067 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #224 of 2161 🔗

They have been horrendous. From my interactions with the most zealous individuals (at work), they invariably parrot BBC headlines I have seen the night before.

353075 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tom Blackburn, 20, #225 of 2161 🔗

Well, they did nothing to put a leash on Jimmy Savile so I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for them to do the right thing. Behind closed doors they probably know the Covid response is BS but Savile seems to have been no big mystery either.

354521 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #226 of 2161 🔗

SAGE Minutes reveal that all the MSM have been co-opted into ramping up the fear to encourage compliance with arbitrary rules. They have also be co-opted into denigrating opponents of the state position.

Numerous people have committed suicide because of the fear levels. I personally know, via relatives and close friends, of three suicides. The school-age daughter of my sister’s friend fortunately failed in her attempt. I can’t imagine the psychlogical scarring this has induced.

353080 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Marialta, 26, #227 of 2161 🔗

Hard hitting emotional messaging just as in the first lockdown.They have nothing else except fear propaganda.
I have just heard that John Lewis are suspending click and collect.That will show the virus who’s boss

353092 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to jonathan Palmer, 22, #228 of 2161 🔗

OMG no, not John Lewis Click and Collect … that might awaken a few. The ones who don’t give a shit about liberty and freedom but the fact that they may not get their 3000 thread count bedding delivered next day might just do it!

353113 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to kh1485, 19, #229 of 2161 🔗

The government have run out of things to ban.All meaningful social contact outside the home has been made illegal.What else can they do?
I’ve heard Sturgeon wants to ban takeaways as well.

353142 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #230 of 2161 🔗

Noo! Not the deep fried Mars bars, that will start a revolt if nothing else.

353209 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #231 of 2161 🔗

Pincer movement going on here …

353488 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to kh1485, 2, #232 of 2161 🔗

They are only suspending click and collect to the stores. You can still click and collect to Waitrose stores, and to other designated places.
They are busy doing a thorough stock check in the stores. Usually, it’s a bit of a hasty one, carried out over 4 weeks or so. This year it is going to be a proper thorough stock check. Much easier to do if you close the store to the public.

354340 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 1, #233 of 2161 🔗

I think you’ve missed the point.
Banning C&C means you have to rely on things being delivered, rather than leaving your home to go and pick them up.

353095 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #234 of 2161 🔗

No click and collect, we are alright now, baby, we are alright now…

353084 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Marialta, 13, #235 of 2161 🔗

David Kurten warned heart string propaganda was next after attending a London assembly meeting. The psychhologist cooks obviously think it best.

David’s pinned tweet says Lions don’t wear masks.

355118 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Basics, #236 of 2161 🔗

Most Brits these days resemble the Lion in the Wizard of Oz.

353283 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Marialta, 10, #237 of 2161 🔗

This is 1960s style Russian propaganda. Don’t people understand yet?!! This is all you are getting from MSM,24h a day,365. My MIL called my wife yesterday and told her that she went to park near her house and…the horror..it was full of children. How dare they , they are killing people? That is why I can’t talk to her anymore, I will not let her say shit like that and then my marriage would probably be over quite soon.

353444 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #238 of 2161 🔗

My wife has only one friend who is a believer. They had to leave a restaurant in August because the waiter was “getting too close” and she had a panic attack. It goes without saying I am NOT allowed to talk to her at all. She only ate out at places with outdoor dining. Because the virus can’t get you outside? I think the question to ask MIL is you are okay with children not killing old people even though there has not been a single case of this happening, but you are saying nothing about the scientific evidence that 560,000 people will die due to lockdown.

353380 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Marialta, 1, #239 of 2161 🔗

I heard that too. thoroughly depressing as to what people put up with. On the plus side More or Less was back at 9am. Worth a listen. I’m sure Matt Hancock doesn’t.

353419 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Marialta, 4, #240 of 2161 🔗

Why hate others who choose to do the RIGHT thing. You choose to go against every fibre of you being and your understanding of human rights and decency to not be comforted and to give comfort at you wife’s fucking funeral! Just so you can be heard on the radio by other moronic believers. Where is your humanity, where is your courage, where is your soul. There really needs to be a new level of hell added to accommodate all of these idiots. We will call it the BBC 77th level. Here they will be forced to watch people running free, cuddling, kissing and doing what humans have done for thousands of years. Then every hour they will be forced watch a half hour presentation by the fat pig dictator interspersed with a staring contest with Twatty.

353802 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Marialta, 3, #241 of 2161 🔗

The BBC is truly revolting.
It’s a shameless propaganda machine.

353043 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 12, #242 of 2161 🔗

I feel we have gone just past ‘peak moron’. Priti saying rules are tough enough while the daily new infections are rapidly falling and are now 15% below the peak.

The evidence shows lockdowns do not work – in that they don’t change the R-value – obvious from the graph below from the Royal Society. But this sort of data gets hidden when they are in a blind panic. The narrative being lockdown is working. When infections have fallen and pressure come off the NHS (this is the peak of normal winter pressure) then the facts will come out and we will be proved right.

354529 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to steve_w, #243 of 2161 🔗

Interesting data. The coherence of the data across multiple countries up to mid April shows something that could be called a pandemic. After that, each country goes its own way. Interestingly, the SAGE minutes stopped mentioning pandemicMay/June and since then they only use the term epidemic.

That is interesting because the government committment for mass purchase of vaccines and emergency use is contingent on there being a pandemic.

353054 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 8, #244 of 2161 🔗

Given that my major regional hospital has its own dedicated vaccination station and my local GP surgery is about to roll out vaccinating for its own list and 4 surrounding practices.
I can only think that the 7 Regional Super Vaxxing Stations are for the purpose of generating large queues for press photo opportunities.

353069 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 22, #245 of 2161 🔗

Yes a bit like the nightingale hospitals.
Hancock lied to the House a couple of weeks ago.The excell one in London had been dismantled and he got up and said it was ready to receive patients.
A couple of days ago a news report showed it had reopened with 64 beds.
Anyone who is aware of the size of the excell knows it is a huge exhibition space.
If we still had a functioning media instead of government organs this charade would end in5 mins.

353100 ▶▶▶ fosterc, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #246 of 2161 🔗

Yes. Put 64 beds in the Excel and you’d signs to find them.

354530 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to fosterc, 1, #247 of 2161 🔗

Now that is what you call social distancing. I bet the staff have to use Segways to get around efficently.

353081 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, 8, #248 of 2161 🔗

Nightingale hospital in Glasgow is being lined up for a vax super hub…ooooh. up to 10k per day. 10k people standing about in the cold what can go wrong. Believe it when I see it

353173 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 7, #249 of 2161 🔗

The hub is the opposite of isolation. It is a contradiction I can’t begin to understand. The Freak Outs so freaked out they are willing to gather in one place to exchange virons. How and but why?

353462 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to stefarm, 4, #250 of 2161 🔗

Did you see the YouTube video of the queue outside a jab centre where they were made to queue outside for up to three hours. No organisation, nobody pulling the people with zimmer frames and the people struggling to walk to the front. And it was the day it was freezing cold. There also appeared to be a lit of younger obese people, is that a priority Why? Why are they not using the 10,000 pharmacist? You know the place that does all the flu jabs every year? Its like we have taken common sense, knicked his lunch money, given him a wedgie and left him locked in the toilet. (I know in todays woke societyI should not be giving thing’s a male perspective but did girls do this stuff to other girls at school?)

353814 ▶▶ stewart, replying to karenovirus, 5, #251 of 2161 🔗

Anyone who thinks the population isn’t going to vaccinate en masse has not been paying attention for the last 10 months.

They have all the information machinery at their disposal, and short of the vaccine killing large numbers of people, everyone will be herded into the vaccinate abattoir.

Following that, it will be discovered that the vaccine is only good for the current strains, but new strains will appear and it will become an annual vaccine like the flu, except this one will be quasi compulsory.

Perfect result for big pharma.

353059 JustMe, replying to JustMe, 14, #252 of 2161 🔗

Can you get it again? Most people in the know say that there are only five known cases in the world.

If its almost certain that you can’t get it again, then how can you prove that you’ve had it? The best way seems to be a blood test to show that you have Covid-19 T cells or B Cells. A certificate for that should allow you to be free, without the need for an invasive ‘vaccine’ [that suppresses the symptoms but doesn’t produce the T&Bs].

Why is no-one campaigning for this route? What have I got wrong?

353071 ▶▶ Basics, replying to JustMe, 2, #253 of 2161 🔗

Bill’s Boomerang.

353088 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to JustMe, 9, #254 of 2161 🔗

I understand that a full test of your immune system is tricky, expensive and not always fully conclusive. It is a sort of fundamental question, what does immunity mean? like a lot of things in biology it does not seem to be black & white. After all most people will regularly be exposed to a range of respiratory viruses but not get ill. However, sometimes if you are ‘under the weather’ a cold or a flu virus that you would normally have fought off will manage to take hold.
Personally I think that vaccinations are only worth considering for the vulnerable. I think they are wasting shed-loads of money vaccinating everybody. They are also guilty of not putting money and effort into developing treatments for serious covid, with better treatments the whole steam could have been taken out of this mess and the bulk of the population would not have to worry about vaccinations or immunity.

353499 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #255 of 2161 🔗

Yep first question should be, have you had the virus, I mean had proper symptoms not a stupid pcr test. If yes you don’t need a vaccine especially if you are under 60. Most epidemiologist say you can’t get reinfected with the same disease and if you are your immune system recognises it and deals with it and it won’t cause a problem. Most of the reinfected proofs that the media use have all been scientifically disproved. That does not mean you can’t be hit by a new strain as the flu proves every year, but the body will only have to deal with the new element not the whole new virus as again your immune system will have already kicked the ass of the bits it recognises. Jesus who knew ten months ago I would be having discussions about immune systems. Not an expert this is just what I have gleaned from Yeadon, Lee and Gustav et al.

353300 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JustMe, 3, #256 of 2161 🔗

There’s more than one human coronavirus so my bet is they had 2 different strains within a short period of time
Unlucky – I doubt the 2nd was any more than a sniffle as the T cells are pretty good at cross referencing coronas

353544 ▶▶ John P, replying to JustMe, 1, #257 of 2161 🔗

“If its almost certain that you can’t get it again, then how can you prove that you’ve had it?”

I would have thought that having an antibody test should prove it.

354365 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JustMe, 2, #258 of 2161 🔗

Not enough profit in common sense.

353060 court, replying to court, 10, #259 of 2161 🔗

Can I ask a little advice? Unfortunately my company have now joined everyone else and mandated ‘face coverings’ away from the desk in the office.

Now I work from home mostly and pop into an empty office twice a week so it’s no bother. I’ve got a ‘mask exempt’ lanyard and will say I’m exempt if challenged or if it gets back to the powers that be through the grapevine.

Does anyone think it would be prudent to have it noted on my medical record in case of such escalation? Not ask for an exemption you understand, but just tell the doctor I can’t wear one. I think the conversation will be logged on my record as it seems every little detail of my health is.

353065 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to court, 12, #260 of 2161 🔗

Would it better to pre-empt the situation by telling HR you are exempt before anyone asks?

353068 ▶▶▶ court, replying to Adamb, 8, #261 of 2161 🔗

I feel that has a certain amount of ‘waking the beast’ to it. We’re a tiny little satellite office on the fag end of the network and the staff (3 of us but 1 furloughed) are more of a rounding error.

353477 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Adamb, 2, #262 of 2161 🔗

Ooh, ooh, not HR. Speak to your boss first.

353073 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to court, 6, #263 of 2161 🔗

I noted and logged my excemption with my employer on my risk assessment – I do work for civil service so possibly more organised than some employers but risk assessment was crap, a tick box exercise.

353103 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to court, 10, #264 of 2161 🔗

Mine has done the same. I’ve told them as I won’t wear a mask, I will be working from home for the foreseeable.

353120 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to court, 15, #265 of 2161 🔗

I think it’s the duty of your company to educate your staff on mask exemptions. You are not obliged to say why you are exempt: quote The Equalities Act, 2010. Further more, imo a challenge can be interpreted as a micro aggression and a hate crime. A hate crime is what YOU perceive it to be and the Police have to record it.
I don’t wear one for health reasons; wearing a mask triggers panic attacks, and common sense says they don’t protect me, or anyone else!

353145 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to court, 8, #266 of 2161 🔗

If I were you, I would have a chat with your line manager. That’s what I did and it was logged into their records that I was exempt. There was no need to go to HR

353239 ▶▶▶ court, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #267 of 2161 🔗

Good thinking. My line manager is the only other person assigned to that office, and he’s a friend and colleague of 15 years and only took the manager job cos I didn’t want it. It’s more of a fall guy position, we both get paid similar salaries. I’ve let him know I’m exempt so if there’s any blowback he can in full confidence say that I’ve alerted him.

Thanks for the array of replies, if you knew the internal workings of our company you’d know that alerting HR wouldn’t be beneficial. 🤣

353267 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to court, 5, #268 of 2161 🔗

You’re welcome. At the end of the day, its your immediate line manager and department who should be informed. HR has a lot on their plate and exemptions are an internal matter.

My department was very supportive and helpful and thankfully I’ve not had problems with our visitors, in fact I get asked where I got my lanyard and information about exemptions.

353482 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to court, #269 of 2161 🔗

our any company …

354546 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to court, 1, #270 of 2161 🔗

Have a look at this legal information site. It covers employee/employer interactions. The exemption is also based ‘reasonable excuse’ not on ‘medical exemption’.

https://laworfiction.com/2020/09/face-covering-some-pretend-law/

The face covering bs is a legal minefield, with plenty of opportunity for employers exposing themselves to civil action.

353061 Adamb, 6, #271 of 2161 🔗

Loved the poem. Put a lump in my throat.

353063 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 60, #272 of 2161 🔗

Update on our large regional hospital here in the East Midlands courtesy of my daughter in law who is a scientist working in pathology. For the record she is in her 20s and though she wears a mask to reassure others she is a sceptic because she reads the evidence. Among the scientists and lab staff scepticism seems to be rife!

She says their hospital is not in any sense overwhelmed. The cancellation of outpatient clinics and elective procedures has, like last year, left things unusually quiet. During the first lockdown it was so quiet she worked from home doing paperwork for much of the time.

As far as the vaccine is concerned she has been sent a date for her first jab but like most of her department she says she probably won’t take it up. She says everyone feels pressured to have it because NHS staff are expected to “set an example” but her colleagues all feel concerned about 1) deviation from the 2nd vaccination protocol that doesn’t comply with the terms under which it was licensed 2) unknown impact on fertility (they intend to try for a baby soon) 3) being young and fit not at high risk of Covid.

When I commented I’d read of up to 50% of medical staff refusing the vaccine in the US she said she could well believe that was true here from conversations she’s had.

353158 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 15, #273 of 2161 🔗

It’s hard not to be a sceptic when you combine reason with cognition and evidence.

353169 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 13, #274 of 2161 🔗

Rather than cancelling elective procedures why don’t NHS managers just not book anything for the first two weeks of January each year? Then if they get a lull in flu patients they could phone up people on the waiting list and say “Could you pop in tomorrow for your op?”.
I’m sure its not that simple but they can hardly act surprised as this NHS overwhelm happens every year.

353449 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to thinkaboutit, 10, #275 of 2161 🔗

Perhaps they like to scream “we’re overwhelmed because of underfunding” every winter so they get more funding that they can divert into more excellent administrative wheezes to make it look as though their massive salaries are actually good value for money to the taxpayer.

353518 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #276 of 2161 🔗

This is so right. How people whose ONLY job should by our welfare are using this sudo crisis to get more government money is disgusting. I heard on the radio on this mornings news 50% of nhs staff are reporting mental issues! If every day someone is telling you, you are overloaded and under pressure it must take its toll?

354151 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #277 of 2161 🔗

Please congratulate her on still having her critical thinking intact… and to keep up the saying NO. Since she works in pathology… does she know if the government is conducting any kind of autopsies at the moment to learn more about this horrible virus that keeps mutating..? So that we can actually understand scientifically what we are dealing with? Or are we still in that pathology lala land where no autopsies are allowed because the virus is jus tooooo dangerous? I’d love to know what she says and if she can research this given the access she has. And maybe post anything relevant to Toby re: autopsies to strengthen scientific research on the virus.

353064 Crystal Decanter, 9, #278 of 2161 🔗

Gab groups

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054

Lockdown sceptics https://gab.com/groups/7848

353072 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 32, #279 of 2161 🔗

Having been round the block a few times I have always noticed that the first two weeks in January are the busiest for respiratory illnesses, both in terms of morbidity and mortality. I do remember one recent year when the local undertaker had to get additional storage space , although it never made the media as it would do today. This current ” surge ” will pass and no doubt the media will claim it is due to the vaccine or the lockdown. I doubt either of those claims would be true.

353086 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Peter Thompson, 8, #280 of 2161 🔗

January is usually the coldest month of the year in the northern hemisphere, just as July is in the southern hemisphere. I was struck by how Covid seemed to be taking off in Greece at about the time it was no longer warm enough to go outdoors without a jacket.

353107 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Waldorf, 8, #281 of 2161 🔗

Indeed, and how it stopped in the UK as soon as you could take yours off.

353115 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to sophie123, 8, #282 of 2161 🔗

In 2-3 months it is going to go down whatever they do just because the weather is warmer. They will give lockdowns the credit, natch.

353134 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Waldorf, 3, #283 of 2161 🔗

but will be proved wrong just as they were proved wrong for lockdown 1. It just hasn’t made it into the official narrative yet

353093 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Peter Thompson, 19, #284 of 2161 🔗

I post on other sites and have read threads discussing the interventions, rates etc with individuals pontificating about masks and pubs and Tiers. You can get 100 posts into the conversation before someone suggests winter might be a factor. Bizarre behaviour. Really…a lot of people’s heads are in the bin.

353136 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #285 of 2161 🔗

yes, 5th Jan is the peak death day and second week jan peak week (traditionally)

we are on the downslope of respiratory illnesses of which covid is just one amongst 200

353370 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #286 of 2161 🔗

Why is it that the bat cold has hardly done anything in Africa whilst hot steamy Asian countries seem to be riddled
Maybe ignoring it is the answer

353929 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #287 of 2161 🔗

Because the majority of Africans take Hydroxychloroquine routinely as an anti-malarial prophylactic measure.

353546 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Peter Thompson, 1, #288 of 2161 🔗

But, when the media has no headline grabbing death and CASES numbers to get people buying or clicking. Where do you think they will go for their headlines? Mmmmm! Let me look into my crystal ball. I see, “Deaths from affects of lockdown outweigh covid deaths”. Then, “ministers chose to move vulnerable back to care homes condemning them to death and killing others”. Or what about “Thousands have dental and respiratory and facial fungal issues caused by face masks! ”
Come on get your 🔮 out and let’s hear your predictions??

355122 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Spikedee1, #289 of 2161 🔗

Get yer ya ya’s out

353079 Thomasina, replying to Thomasina, 6, #290 of 2161 🔗

Now we are not sure yet if the vaccine actually stops transmission. Surely then until we know the answer to this vaccine passports are no use to anyone as surely thats the whole point of them. Airlines, hospitality venues, countries want to know if you are infectious. Of course the Gov may already know that it stops transmission but dont want to tell us just t keep the control going.

353090 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Thomasina, 8, #291 of 2161 🔗

The producers of the (so called) vaccines do not claim their products do anything other than reduce the severity of the symptoms.

353096 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Thomasina, 6, #292 of 2161 🔗

Unfortunately sense no longer prevails. It will be just like masks, no real use but will be enforced anyway. I am waiting for gloves to be the next stage or compulsory goggles – Michie already calling for education on not touching your face.

353118 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Thomasina, 4, #293 of 2161 🔗

Vaccine passports are keeping the control going.

353558 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Thomasina, 4, #294 of 2161 🔗

More importantly what if you are under 20 why the hell do you need a vaccine. And what if you are at the back of the queue for vaccination. Why should you be stopped doing things when its a timing issue?

354385 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Thomasina, #295 of 2161 🔗

The manufacturers admit that it doesn’t.

354554 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Thomasina, #296 of 2161 🔗

The test criterion for a ‘successful’ vaccine is slight reduction of some symptoms in mild cases.

353082 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 23, #297 of 2161 🔗

Nice comments in the DM – one saying he is on the edge with non mask wearers and wants his life back to normal and this is what is stopping us getting back to normal, plus all non mask wearers are practically murderers. So nothing to do with gov policy that his life is not worth living, just us non mask wearers – well the behavioural lot have done a splendid job in diverting blame for the government’s ruinous policies over to the non compliant. Only a matter of time before people start getting attacked, all endorsed by the likes of Dick, Haddock, Johnson and the silence of our MPs.

353097 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Hattie, 9, #298 of 2161 🔗

Witchfinder General springs to mind. “You are all of you confessed Covid sceptics.”

353101 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Hattie, 10, #299 of 2161 🔗

It’s funny how such an infinitesimally small number of us can have so much of an impact.

353108 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to kh1485, 2, #300 of 2161 🔗

Jews were less than 1% of the population of Nazi Germany.

355123 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Waldorf, #301 of 2161 🔗

How did they succeed in killing 6 million? There was an international conference in Evian, France, in 1934, to discuss what to do about the Jews in Germany and elsewhere. Look it up. Read it and weep. Watch ‘The Sorrow and the Pity’.

353140 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Hattie, 11, #302 of 2161 🔗

3 weeks to flatten the curve. Seems like the right sentence to mention to the guy. Then point out the masks came in in July?June long after he himself had spent months milling about without a mask. Was he doing that because he is a killer?

353150 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Hattie, 9, #303 of 2161 🔗

If you post something pro-narrative on DM, a second later you’ll see an outrageous number of upvotes. I get the impression there is some serious perception management at play.

353213 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 18, #304 of 2161 🔗

Yes – I think the normal DM readers are very sceptical. There seems to have been a recent upsurge in new accounts suddenly countering this – but seem to only have the resources to do it on one or two stories, as the others remain 90% sceptical. I think The Fear is growing – cf: the upsurge in emotional stories and attacks on prominent sceptics.

Now we are at the point of having actual data, not speculative models, it is getting very, very hard to hide the truth. Now is the time to push on and redouble our efforts – they have pushed all their resources into this attack, now its time to do a Stalingrad on them and let them burn out the last of their armoury before we counterattack. They can’t kill people in order to keep the rate up, the PCR legal challenges will come in and people are wising up to the failure of the vaccine in stopping transmission. They are scared – and they should be. Careers will be ending.

353467 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jakehadlee, 2, #305 of 2161 🔗

They can’t kill people in order to keep the rate up …

Not so sure. They did last year by moving people into care homes.

353217 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 2, #306 of 2161 🔗

Actually I find the opposite. I generally run about 10:1 pro/against comments I make, and I am not afraid you speak out againstbeither the article or other commenters.

353089 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #307 of 2161 🔗

Tim Spector looks through and answers his twitter thread. I wonder if someone with twitter could ask him ‘when do you think you will be able to judge the efficacy of the vaccines now you collect both vaccine and symptom data?’

353146 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to steve_w, 2, #308 of 2161 🔗

I’ll pop the question on there later

353161 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ambwozere, #309 of 2161 🔗

thanks!

353165 ▶▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to steve_w, 1, #310 of 2161 🔗

Posted so I’ll give feedback as and when I get it.

353170 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #311 of 2161 🔗

great – I do see from his twitter feed that he’s quite busy trying to flog his new fad diet book 😉

353098 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 23, #312 of 2161 🔗

I’m 60. For the first time in my life I have been offered a flu jab by our NHS. My physical health is good. Mentally, I suffer from panic attacks: legacy of lockdown.
Pros and cons please.
I will not take the CV jab.
Thanks.

353104 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to PatrickF, 11, #313 of 2161 🔗

I’m younger and already had two letters. The buggers are not giving up.

355125 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kh1485, 1, #314 of 2161 🔗

Return to sender, address unknown, no such number, no such zone …

353111 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to PatrickF, 7, #315 of 2161 🔗

Who should take the jab?

1-Older immune systems challenged people, after taking to a doctor and being honest about who they are (fit, not fit, fat, slim etc). If you are weak or unfit, the vaxx ‘might’ be of benefit (it can also cause injury).
2-If healthy, or if like me you had CV, no need for it.
3-If under 60 (your age) no need for it as long as you are fit, healthy, good life style.
4-Vaxx will only reduce symptoms, does not reduce transmission (flu jabs never have)
5-If you are ‘forced’ to take it – there are 3. Astra Zeneca is directly tied to aborted fetal cells. Pfizer and Moderna indirectly. All 3 contain mercury and other poisons, so read the ingredient manifest carefully. One doctor said he would only take Moderna based on his analysis of their ‘tests’ which were still lacking in reality (avg age of flu death is 75+ with comorbidities, which they never test against hence the false 95% effective rate).

Our neighbour had the Pfizer jab, 72. He is fine. He must go back for another one in March he said….but was not sure it was Pfizer, he said they may ‘mix and match’ which he does not like.

So that is the other issue. Once you start, will you be allowed to stop?

353123 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to FerdIII, 2, #316 of 2161 🔗

Thanks!

353114 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to PatrickF, 9, #317 of 2161 🔗

I’m 50 and got my first offer this year

I won’t bother – I would if I was old/worried/susceptible

353277 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to steve_w, 1, #318 of 2161 🔗

Thanks!

353141 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to PatrickF, 14, #319 of 2161 🔗

I’ve had the flu vaccine for years. This year I decided not to participate, because after seeing the risks they are prepared to take in rushing out the experimental vaccines, I no longer feel I can trust the pharma or medical “experts”. Coincidentally the NHS didn’t bother asking me to book an appointment – too busy hiding from patients I imagine. I’m taking winter vitamin D and I’ll trust my immune system.
Besides, they have left it way too late this year to have any effect. They are supposed to be given in Autumn, not mid-January.

353259 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #320 of 2161 🔗

Thanks!

353178 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to PatrickF, 16, #321 of 2161 🔗

Patric as you already know, a vaccine needs 5 to 10 years to develop, you know why? they need to see the effects over time? Remember that Time, you can’t rush time. So I’ll give you several reasons not to have the vaccine and why for the most part it’s unnecessary

  1. The Vaccine is rushed through
  2. This virus really isn’t that deadly IFR .028% (<70 years much lower)
  3. Take lots of Vitamin D it’s shown to be really effective
  4. You are here because you know this is a scamdemic ask yourself why are they rushing this vaccine through given points 1 -3
  5. Many World alliance doctors are saying this will make you more susceptible to illness.
  6. Some say it’s the reason for the whole scandemic to kill everybody (Possibly by the vaccine)
  7. You’ve probably had either Covid or Sars 1 so you’re immune anyway
  8. As ferdIII points out below Vaxx will only reduce symptoms, does not reduce transmission (flu jabs never have)
353211 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Andrew K, 5, #322 of 2161 🔗

Good points – especially about ‘Time’.
My wife is knee deep into this area and says based on many studies that the Jabs make your immune system weaker over many years, more susceptible to illness and can even lead in some cases, to death.

I can see a need (maybe) for TB shots, certainly Rabies, maybe Smallpox, perhaps a few others, but in the main don’t see why we need foreign poisons for ‘viruses’ when our immune system is 99.7% effective.

Interestingly, I only had 1 TB shot….never another one, but I am told that we may need ‘many’ CV 19 shots? This confuses me. It prob indicates that the jabs don’t do anything and they are chasing the virus ‘hoping’ to reduce effects.

355126 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to FerdIII, #323 of 2161 🔗

Chasing $$$$$$ as well.

353258 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Andrew K, #324 of 2161 🔗

Thanks!

353216 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to PatrickF, 14, #325 of 2161 🔗

Patrick, read this report on the flu “vaccine” from the BMJ. It is just a profit-making scam by big pharma. The people who developed small pox and TB and polio vaccines did not do so for profit. Those vaccines are genuine. The MMR I don’t agree with and believe it is linked to autism. But not peddled entirely for nefarious purposes. Flu and cold (aka covid) “vaccines” are JUST for profit. Your immune system is designed to fight those viruses and needs to in order to keep you healthy!

https://cdn.vortala.com/childsites/uploads/52/files/johns-hopkins-flu-nov-2015.pdf

353248 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #326 of 2161 🔗

Thanks!

353436 ▶▶ mj, replying to PatrickF, #327 of 2161 🔗

i had one about 5/6 years ago at ex’s insistence. never had one since . this year i also got the letter . will ignore it .

353520 ▶▶ Jo, replying to PatrickF, 1, #328 of 2161 🔗

Don’t take any vaccine or medication that you wouldn’t have considered pre-2020.
There are a few papers going round that the flu vaccine can make Covid worse, if you get it. I have no idea if this is true but unless you would have thought you needed flu vaccine before this rubbish started, just ignore it.
I’m a year younger and got a letter from NHS England. I wrote “return to sender” on the envelope but then just put it in the recycling. My partner said that it was a good job I didn’t return it, because by putting that extra pressure on the NHS who might open the returned envelope, another person could have died!

353584 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jo, #329 of 2161 🔗

Yes I read the paper re flu vaccine making covid worse, can’t find it now.

353968 ▶▶▶▶ Coronabonus, replying to Victoria, 1, #330 of 2161 🔗
353548 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to PatrickF, 3, #331 of 2161 🔗

Lots of discussion and links yesterday on the possible relationship between flu vaccination and severe covid.

353586 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PatrickF, 1, #332 of 2161 🔗

Improve your immune system.

354396 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PatrickF, 2, #333 of 2161 🔗

Assuming you’re basically healthy, you don’t need the flu jab. Look after your immune system and you should be fine.
I’m 67, never had a flu jab and have no intention of having one.

354572 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to PatrickF, 2, #334 of 2161 🔗

I am 66 with asthma.

In 2017 I had the flu which turned into pneumonia resistant to multiple antibiotics. I know know the meaning of ‘coughing your guts up’.

In Jan/Feb 2020 I had what I later realised was covid. It lasted intermittently with 3 episodes over 6 weeks, leaving me totally bed-ridden for 3 weeks of the time. I was surviving on fluids so I lost half a stone.

Given the choice of the two, I would have covid again.

354901 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to PatrickF, 1, #335 of 2161 🔗

My personal view, so please don’t take it as medical advice, is that you should be the best judge of your own immune system.

It is unlikely to break down suddenly making you more susceptible to death from the slightest infection. If you’ve lived a relatively regular life there is a good chance you will have some natural resistance to the flu amongst many other things.

As you get older you may well start to feel the effects of infections getting worse as your immune system deteriorates. What was once just a slight cough now keeps you in bed for a few days for example.

It’s at this point I would start considering getting a boost, such as from a vaccine, to help fight things off.

355124 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to PatrickF, #336 of 2161 🔗

Under no circumstances should anyone take the jab. Pfizer are crooked. Most pharma companies are interested in profit over anything else.

353106 Alias Margaret, 12, #337 of 2161 🔗

Interesting article above the line about doctors and the law. Friend’s son in law is an haematology consultant at a large Midland hospital. He has been moved to A and E, in anticipation of a surge in patients, even though he has no training in this. My friend tells me that doctors are being given greater indemnity by the hospital because they know that mistakes will be made. You are only worth caring for if you have Covid.

353121 belle, replying to belle, 14, #338 of 2161 🔗

When it comes to informed consent, the Bolam Test has now been superseded by the Montgomery ruling Montgomery and informed consent – The MDU . The UK Medical Freedom Alliance has published a covid vaccine consent form and patient information leaflet that includes this ruling which gives greater protection to the patient than the Bolam test COVID-19 Vaccine Info – UK Medical Freedom Alliance (ukmedfreedom.org) . ”If doctors fail to properly discuss the risks and alternative treatments with the patient, this renders them personally responsible for damages. This document therefore protects the patient and the doctor.”

353993 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to belle, 1, #339 of 2161 🔗

I wonder how the young student nurse who has had a days training on vaccine administering, can possibly know the risks.
Cannot, in my opinion.
I expect they would give the ‘yes, they’re safe; they’re vaccines; vaccines are safe’ type of routine.
There isn’t a doctor per se in these situations.

354585 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to belle, #340 of 2161 🔗

I think the UK government has given blanket immunity to anyone involved in the covid bs. Big Pharma certainly has it.

353131 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 32, #341 of 2161 🔗

my wife (a low key/quiet sceptic) was fuming yesterday.

“Clearly masks increase transmission! They have been shown to have a marginal benefit in clinical settings with clinical masks, trained users and throwing them away after each use. Obviously using the same mask for weeks, constant face touching and risk compensation [standing closer to people because you feel safe in a mask] is going to make it worse”

353144 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to steve_w, 5, #342 of 2161 🔗

Heretic! Burn The Witch!

353152 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #344 of 2161 🔗

I need a trigger warning before seeing his face. Some good replies!

353285 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to thinkaboutit, 10, #345 of 2161 🔗

Apologies.

Just to add my two pennies worth. I think MH is a nasty, power-mad general that needs to be dislodged at the earliest opportunity. A cunt of the highest order.

353155 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #346 of 2161 🔗

I feel some sympathy for Matt Hancock. He is completely out of his depth. He sees himself as a hero and thinks the country will agree when this is over. He has the rest of his life to regret throwing a completely reasonable pandemic response plan in the bin and winging it. He has been forced to some extent by SAGE and as a non-scientist would have not been able to insightfully questions some of their results – ie ‘why are you not considering the effects of lockdown in your scenarios’.

Then again I hope he gets hit by a meteorite

353171 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to steve_w, 18, #347 of 2161 🔗

I applaud your tolerance. However I cannot join in. Hancock is a dreadful human being, drunk on power and having a wonderful time controlling all of our lives. You don’t need to be a scientist to ask some probing questions; just engage your brain. Also to have ignored the voices of many other well respected scientists for 10 months whilst allowing SAGE to call all of the shots is negligent at the very least.

353174 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 5, #348 of 2161 🔗

I do concur with your last sentence though. Perhaps something not so quick would be my choice.

353181 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to WasSteph, 2, #349 of 2161 🔗

a prolonged hailstorm of little meteorites

353184 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Alethea, 2, #350 of 2161 🔗

all of them covered in covid

353183 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to WasSteph, 2, #351 of 2161 🔗

Get HMG to declare gravity unscientific.

353179 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to WasSteph, 4, #352 of 2161 🔗

that is also true – but my final sentence still stands

353312 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to WasSteph, 5, #353 of 2161 🔗

I see hancock as like Goebbels, sad little man of no talent toadying up to Hitler and it was only that protection that stopped the rest of the gang from putting him down
It’s said that he was a master propagandist but I always thought his stuff was rubbish.

355131 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 2, #354 of 2161 🔗

Hancock has been around and rubbed elbows with many unsavoury types for the past three to four years and pretty much embraces the U.N. Agenda 21/2030 strategies that they are imposing on us.

353199 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to steve_w, 9, #355 of 2161 🔗

He genuinely has blood on his hands.

353294 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steve_w, 4, #356 of 2161 🔗

He said himself that the Country will see him as the man who delivered the vaccine.

353590 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 3, #357 of 2161 🔗

Yes he was shocked that people saw him as the architect of lockdown.

353769 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to steve_w, 4, #358 of 2161 🔗

I think he is a psychopath. Watch his body language. He’s been seduced by Klaus Schwab and sees him as a hero. I think he honestly believes he is right and we ‘will be happy’. We have no say in the matter. We are now treated like farm animals and they will decide who breeds and when we die. It is all in own ‘best interests’ as if we are just their property.

354422 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, 2, #359 of 2161 🔗

No sympathy! He and his chums have benefitted financially from his shitshow.

355129 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to steve_w, #360 of 2161 🔗

The last sentence would be my favourite except for the fact that we will all die if that happens.

353148 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 34, #361 of 2161 🔗

WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE! We must not let the madness destroy us! I’ve said this before and have been criticised here for it but I pledge to change MY attitude. I have not been brainwashed, so I am one of the lucky ones. Except I’m now as angry and fearful as the covid cult are. I’m becoming as nasty as them in my fear and anger. So… from today I am going to try my very best to treat those brainwashed paranoid haters with kindness and compassion. It will not be easy. But I am going to TRY. Treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself. Forgive all those who seek to harm you. Because anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. No matter how much hatred I experience I am going to try to diffuse it gently by saying, “I completely understand why you are angry. Based on what you’ve been told by the government and the media, you see my maskless face as a threat, but if you educate yourself independently you WILL see that this is not the case. You WILL be restored to sanity. I pose no threat to you. Please don’t threaten me.”

We have to resist being turned into “the other side”, and we do this by saying WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE. We want our lives back!

We HAVE to survive this!

353163 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #362 of 2161 🔗

Agreed sadly that’s not what I see from the lockdown lovers. I keep trying on social media just asking people to be kind and think before they write or post something. Not going in so far but I shall persever.

353186 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #363 of 2161 🔗

‘Anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die’ – well said, thank you. It’s very hard, though, at the moment, to withstand the media hysteria without feeling defensively angry.
They are making us as frightened of them as they are made frightened by the virus. They’re replicating their existential terror in us.

353206 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Alethea, 6, #364 of 2161 🔗

I know, it’s so hard. But we know the truth, they don’t. They are disadvantaged. The virus (propaganda) that has afflicted all of them has not afflicted us. We are the lucky ones. Stay strong!

353252 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Alethea, 3, #365 of 2161 🔗

Perceptive observation.

353308 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #366 of 2161 🔗

Good luck with that.

354425 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #367 of 2161 🔗

Well said. We need to fight for our humanity as well as our freedom.

353149 Andrew K, 28, #368 of 2161 🔗

Covid Zealots will not find this funny

353153 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #369 of 2161 🔗

Just idly wondering could they operate the plandenic under real crisis, it seems as though our one trick pony overlords are lucky not to have a real natural disaster to contend with on top of the false narrative.

353160 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Basics, 10, #370 of 2161 🔗

That thought gives me the shudders, though I think the general population would be acting sensibly if this was a true pandemic.

353176 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ambwozere, 12, #371 of 2161 🔗

pre-twitter, any sensible government would have been calming people down – whether it was a big pandemic or a tiddly one

353202 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to steve_w, 2, #372 of 2161 🔗

Exactly.

353175 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Basics, 14, #373 of 2161 🔗

They couldn’t organise a two ticket raffle. We’d all be dead by now if this was real.

353185 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 22, #374 of 2161 🔗

Didn’t someone say that this was the first pandemic for the social media age? And of course it fed into people’s desire to be stars and famous even in their own heads. I seriously doubt we would have been locked down if there wasn’t any internet, social media and 24/7/365 news.

353190 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #375 of 2161 🔗

spot-on

we are in a medieval style mass hysteria and social media and 24 hour news has played the main part

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_plague_of_1518

353192 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #376 of 2161 🔗

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_hysteria_cases

covid gets a mention but I think the covid section will be expanded over the coming years

353194 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 3, #377 of 2161 🔗

There was already the beginnings of the 24 hour news culture when Sars happened but I remembered that life went on and governments in Asia were pleading for caution and went to great lengths to reassure not terrorise the public.

Since then its gone downhill made worse by social media.

353229 ▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #378 of 2161 🔗

Very true. The 24/7 news coverage that most people can access plus social media has made the lockdown policies easy to implement in a way that wasn’t the case decades ago.

353270 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 4, #379 of 2161 🔗

And there’s furlough too. Even when there was a welfare state already with the Asian and Hong Kong flus, it was unthinkable to let people be paid for doing nothing. Not to mention that for the vast majority of people then, to claim benefits was a badge of shame.

353274 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #380 of 2161 🔗

There was the swine flu pandemic in 2009.

353626 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #381 of 2161 🔗

Absolutely right. Pre social media: eat less exercise more, five a day! Shut up give me a beer and put me pie in the oven! Smoking kills: shut up and give us a fag! Post social media: lock yourself in your house, wear a mask, don’t talk to anyone, Christmas is cancelled, don’t bother the NHS with your heart attack you selfish bastard: okay seems reasonable, and by the way you fuckers are killing granny, and my neighbours have friends around and John has been out twice today.

354663 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Bart Simpson, #382 of 2161 🔗

The internet is what has kept this going.

355132 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bart Simpson, #383 of 2161 🔗

Fake news.

353201 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 5, #384 of 2161 🔗

Should there be a real natural disaster, they can always copy another CCP policy and pretend it hasn’t happened.

353164 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 16, #385 of 2161 🔗

sky news reckon 2020 deaths are no worse than much of the 2000s

some pandemic!

353226 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to steve_w, 6, #386 of 2161 🔗

That’s because it is correct. Nothing to do with ‘reckons’.

355133 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to steve_w, #387 of 2161 🔗

Took them long enough to figure it out.

353167 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #388 of 2161 🔗

Just got that email from Sainsbury’s.

Suffice to say it has gone straight to delete.

353557 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #389 of 2161 🔗

I do the same with all these emails

353792 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 2, #390 of 2161 🔗

Any email from companies that say “keeping you safe” now goes straight into delete or I mark them as spam.

353182 steve_w, 7, #391 of 2161 🔗

well, we’ve flattened the curve

can we go out now?

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

353188 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 16, #392 of 2161 🔗

Just been to Aldi. Glad to report no problems and even had a laugh before entering, watching one woman sanitise the door handles on … her car! Even had the lady with a trolley in front of me say I could go before her and I don’t think it was because she was terrified of my unmasked face – just a genuinely kind act, like the ones people used to engage in BC.

NB: Apologies to Awkward Git. I suggested yesterday that the supermarket traffic lights may be red on the left and green on the right (like port and starboard) well, at Aldi, they’re the other way round. Sorry AG.

353197 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 12, #393 of 2161 🔗

That’s good news. Had no problems at Waitrose yesterday and in fact I had a pleasant shopping experience.

Will be going to Morrisons later so will be reporting here how I get on.

353207 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #394 of 2161 🔗

Good to know!

353198 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to kh1485, 3, #395 of 2161 🔗

The lady sanitising the door handles on her car is probably on the way to her job in a bank.

353205 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steeve, 3, #396 of 2161 🔗

Sounds like I’ve missed some further insanity on the part of banks???

353215 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to kh1485, 4, #397 of 2161 🔗

I had to sort out a few things at the bank. Involved the manager as well as me touching the keyboard + the lady dealing with it. Surprised the keyboard as not dissolved over time. Meticulous would be an understatement!

353219 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Steeve, 2, #398 of 2161 🔗

probably the Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank

353189 NickR, replying to NickR, 8, #399 of 2161 🔗

It’s probably been posted by others but I thought this chart that I saw in a piece by Sarah Knapton in the Telegraph should be shared with older people. When discussing it ask them how they ever managed to survive to their current age living through those dystopian years when death stalked the streets reaping even more of our fellow citizens each year than it has this year.

353196 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to NickR, 2, #400 of 2161 🔗

This is a better graph than the one from SKY I posted below in that the y-axis goes from zero

My one is endorsed by SKY though!

353228 ▶▶ ajb, replying to NickR, 2, #401 of 2161 🔗

Should the red lettering not read, ‘since 1887 there have only been 18 years when the death rate has been LOWER than 2020’? Or am I misunderstanding?

353541 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to ajb, 1, #402 of 2161 🔗

In my version of the Torygraph, there is no red lettering below the graph.

The article is a classic example of statistics saying whatever you want them to say. It only slips the word ‘absolute’ in about half way down the article. Makes me furious. BBC article on the same topic is even worse. No doubt before long, covid deaths not being excessive will be regarded as fake news and censored accordingly.

Where is Richard Pinch when you need him?!!!

353203 danny, replying to danny, 26, #403 of 2161 🔗

I am fascinated by the MPs and celebrities that keep using their platform to push lockdown obedience whilst doing just the opposite.
Latest today is Gordon Ramsey. Tweeting about lockdown, whilst working from the Caribbean on a new show.
In terms of psychology, it would be infantile to suggest they are laughing, as I think many of them genuinely believe what they are saying, which is where it gets interesting psychologically.
Can imagine Boris on his bike felt outraged at seeing so many people…. on their bikes.
Same goes for “normal” people. The amount of friends and colleagues who have told me of how angry they are at all the selfish people out in the park when they were at the park that day. What is this collective phenomenon?

353218 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to danny, 10, #404 of 2161 🔗

Bullshitism?

353222 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to danny, 30, #405 of 2161 🔗

Correct. A couple walked past me holding their coffees in the town recently and one said to the other, “These people should be at home”. That they cannot see the absurdity of that statement is one of the most worrying things about the whole shebang.

353225 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to danny, 10, #406 of 2161 🔗

There is certainly, to put it mildly, a widespread lack of self awareness.
The collective noun for a group of people who totally lack self awareness? I’d say a hypocrisy but I bet Annie or Cecil B can do better.

353235 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to WasSteph, 8, #407 of 2161 🔗

A denial…?

353246 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Annie, 2, #408 of 2161 🔗

I knew you’d come up with a good one.

353306 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to WasSteph, 1, #409 of 2161 🔗

The Amnots.

From “I think therefor I am”.

353230 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to danny, 5, #410 of 2161 🔗

“It’s all about me-ism”

353250 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to danny, 22, #411 of 2161 🔗

Piers Morgan demands Christmas be cancelled immediately prior to jetting off on holiday to Antigua.
Neil Ferguson persuades government to introduce lockdown in March and breaks rules to see his mistress.
Catherine Calderwood breaks rules to spend time in her holiday home.
Chris Cuomo breaks his much publicised self-isolation and after being exposed, pretends he hasn’t.
Stephen Kinnock breaks rules to visit his parents and makes up transparent excuse.
Kay Burley, not only breaks the rules, but encourages a bunch of her colleagues to join in.
The list could be extended more or less indefinitely. In fact, it appears to be a general behaviour amongst the lockdownistas. The people who I know who are in favour of the lockdowns have consistently broken the rules, and simultaneously condemned others for not observing the rules. The lockdownistas seem to want other people to make the sacrifices they deem necessary to deal with the virus so that they can be safe without making any sacrifices. They also appear to want to appear (to themselves and others) as morally superior, thus the virtue signalling and condemnations. I also suspect that there is an element of magical thinking: they appear to think that saying the right words will ensure that they are safe.

353254 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to danny, 5, #412 of 2161 🔗

I suspect its being tone deaf. They’re not really impacted by lockdown, think they’re living the high life and presumably are OK mentally & psychologically and are not experiencing any domestic violence and substance abuse. They think they’re coping well and don’t understand why everyone isn’t like them.

353291 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to danny, 2, #413 of 2161 🔗

These are the “I shower more than you therefore I am cleaner than you” brigade.

They will be no better than anyone else but try to justify every time they get caught by saying they’re doing more than the worst offenders.

353421 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to danny, 6, #414 of 2161 🔗

It’s ‘self entitlement’.
It’s gotten worse over the years and these so called ‘celebs’ are the worst culprits.
I hate effing celebs at the best of times but to have them swanning off to the beach while criticising the public and saying stay at home – well I have no polite words

355134 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to danny, #415 of 2161 🔗

Hypocrites? Narcissists? Psychotic? Sociopaths? Or just plain stupid?

353204 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 30, #416 of 2161 🔗

To any Lockdown Zealots who still insist on walking their dog every day. How dare you! How dare you put me and my family at risk just so your pooch can stretch it’s legs! I demand you to stop. In fact I insist you have the animal put down. It’s the least you can do for me considering my daughter has given up her future for you. After all, we’re all in this together aren’t we?

355135 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Achilles, #417 of 2161 🔗

We’re all in this together as long as you follow our rules.

353212 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #418 of 2161 🔗

One of Mandy’s delusions (he has many) is that he is the leader of the covid cult. Not true, he is only a facilitator

There is only one leader and that is the one true god covid

His delusion allows him to believe that come April or May he can order the cultists to come out from behind the sofa and return to work

No chance

The cultists will not come out until they are guaranteed everlasting life. They will say it is not in the gift of the Mandy to grant such a guarantee

When the Mandy tells them the virus has gone they will assert a la ‘When Prophecy Fails’ that it cannot be true

They can never come out again, they are true believers

353223 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Cecil B, 4, #419 of 2161 🔗

Yes good one. Mandy may just be an apostle.

Diapers are a religious symbol which will be worn long after April. Expect the truly pious to be double-diapered post April. I would expect CV Churches to be constructed for the faithful as well, where they can receive rites and rituals and be warned of the always impending doom. I am a Catholic, and can see a lot of false-religiosity in the CV 19 cult (for eg. do not think, follow, kill non-Maskholes, yellow star for non-vaxxers, no tolerance, no science etc etc.).

353233 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FerdIII, 5, #420 of 2161 🔗

No need for new churches. The old ones are already fully converted.

353227 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 5, #421 of 2161 🔗

In both Ancient Ireland and various Central and South American cultures if the Priest King failed to make the rain arrive/stop he himself would be sacrificed to placate the angry Gods.

353309 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to karenovirus, 3, #422 of 2161 🔗

That was the case even in some part of Saxon Britain. An alderman would be elected for a period of time and then he would be put into a Wickerman n order to bless the land for next couple of springs. This was not seen as a punishment but a great honor and people went into it gladly.

355136 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, #423 of 2161 🔗

Start giving the government timelines and ultimatums.

353325 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 2, #424 of 2161 🔗

Don’t tempt them
These zealots are so insane they will abandon their pets to “do their duty”

353221 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 15, #425 of 2161 🔗

Staff at local branch of major UK hotel group now getting tested 3 (three) times weekly

‘Because the rate is so high’.

353224 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to karenovirus, 6, #426 of 2161 🔗

false positives, really hard to fix stupid, will they demand a vaxx passport to book a room?

355138 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to FerdIII, #427 of 2161 🔗

Yep!

353231 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to karenovirus, 5, #428 of 2161 🔗

This makes no sense – aren’t hotels closed? I suppose nothing makes sense any more…

353247 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan L, 3, #429 of 2161 🔗

Some are open for key workers, construction workers away from home, lorry drivers, NHS staff not wanting to live with family, people going for job interviews.

353265 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to karenovirus, 2, #430 of 2161 🔗

Phew! That at least makes sense. I suppose being sympathetic they could feel especially vulnerable since these customers are mixing more than most. Although most likely they are for most part already immune for that very reason.

353330 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to karenovirus, 2, #431 of 2161 🔗

They need the hotels empty so that the Poison Pygmy can fill them up with fighting age male migrants
See how it works yet??

353661 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, #432 of 2161 🔗

And illegal immigrants. Have to keep them safe!!

353253 ▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, 3, #433 of 2161 🔗

Perfect feedback loop.

353262 ▶▶ alw, replying to karenovirus, 2, #434 of 2161 🔗

Understand this is happening at Starbucks too.

353354 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 2, #435 of 2161 🔗

‘Because they keep testing themselves”. Idiots.

353373 ▶▶ dhid, replying to karenovirus, 1, #436 of 2161 🔗

Not in Kent by any chance? Are any “guests” free to leave?

353234 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 15, #438 of 2161 🔗

I received this text from Lloyd’s Bank yesterday.
“We’re working hard to keep branches open Monday to Friday 9:30am to 2:00pm for urgent needs. Face coverings and social distancing are essential…”
No mention of exemptions. I may write to them later. Seems all organisations are jumping on the bandwagon of coercion. I assume they have made a calculation that they gain more by reassuring the masses.

353249 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 18, #439 of 2161 🔗

Agree. And that cringey advert for Lloyds on the radio – sounds like Imelda Staunton – is infuriating. “By your side” in breathless, simpering faux sympathetic tones. I wonder how much ‘by your side’ they’d be if you missed a couple of mortgage payments. More like on your back.

And this “working hard” thing is getting really tiresome. I’d be working ‘really hard’ if I was allowed to.

353263 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to kh1485, 7, #440 of 2161 🔗

Yes, whenever the shit hits the fan, the organisation say they are ‘working hard to put things right’.

Usually, however, the issue is not one of endeavour, it’s one of competence.

353269 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Al T, 6, #441 of 2161 🔗

Agreed. It doesn’t take much superhuman effort to have branches open 4 1/2 hours a day. Unless of course you were already closing the them down and reducing hours to save vast sums of money before all of this started

353288 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to kh1485, 5, #442 of 2161 🔗

I 100% agree about that ad being infuriating and it is also, in my view, quite creepy with the tone used.

As you say, I don’t think they would be remotely sympathetic when you found yourself penniless.

Some of the Gov. “advice” ads are also like some form of audio torture with the sinister tone used in many of them.

I never thought I would actually welcome the cheerful tones used by the likes of McDonalds in their ads on the radio, but now I do. It doesn’t mean I’m any more likely to buy their product, but I bless them for not trying to scare me!

355140 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kh1485, #443 of 2161 🔗

They are working hard to be by your side.

353257 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to WasSteph, 3, #444 of 2161 🔗

Exactly that. It seems the majority of people really do believe in the ‘keeping you safe’ mantra. Businesses follow the money and at the moment that is firmly behind supporting and soothing the many fearful.

353260 ▶▶ alw, replying to WasSteph, 7, #445 of 2161 🔗

I received the same from Halifax. They are part and parcel of the same outfit. The ridiculous thing is you can walk into a branch, maskless if necessary and use the ATM which is never cleaned or at least I have never seen it wiped down. So much nonsense.

353278 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to WasSteph, 9, #446 of 2161 🔗

All the banks are regurgitating the same crap and it doesn’t matter whether its this virus or LGBTQ issues. As Douglas Murray (who himself is gay) has said, he doesn’t care what his bank does with LGBTQ issues, he just wants efficient and friendly service. Half the time they can’t even do the basic stuff right.

353317 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to WasSteph, 8, #447 of 2161 🔗

Did you know all the banks have a major closure programme of branch closures a) They are expensive to run b) more and more are using electronic banking c) they need people to run and they are expensive to pay d) closing a branch makes more profit for the bank e) they care not for customers.

353238 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 18, #448 of 2161 🔗

Thomas Sowell raises some important points about truth. It seems to me that lying (because that’s what it is) has become second nature to many, in particular the media and many of the people who work in it.

https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/01/21/is-truth-irrelevant

It is amazing how many people seem to have discovered last Wednesday that riots are wrong — when many of those same people apparently had not noticed that when riots went on, for weeks or even months, in various cities across the country last year.

For too many people, especially in the media, what is right and wrong, true or false, depends on who it helps or hurts politically. Too many media people who are supposed to be reporters act as if they are combatants in political wars.

355141 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nobody2021, #449 of 2161 🔗

They are combatants in political wars.

355143 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #450 of 2161 🔗

The U.S. House of Representatives voted to Impeach President Trump this afternoon in Washington, D.C.

353240 Stu, replying to Stu, 23, #451 of 2161 🔗

Each morning after the previous evenings scaremongering I expect less people to be out and about but there seems to be more each day. If you can’t get people to stay at home during a cold January what hope have you got for the rest of the year. I think Lockdowns are no longer seen as an acceptable way of trying to control a respiratory infection by an ever increasing amount of people.

353286 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stu, 12, #452 of 2161 🔗

I get the feeling more and more people are getting fed up and are seeing through all this. As one visitor I was chatting to before we got shut down again said, she thinks a lot of all these are lies and exaggerations.

Also it will be interesting to see what the redundancy and bankruptcy figures at the end of this month because I suspect that’s also playing a role in more and more people less inclined to follow the rules.

353243 Basics, 10, #454 of 2161 🔗

James Corbett has ended his great series PropagandaWatch. It was running for a few years and is relevant to look back on.

He has replaced it with SolutionsWatch looking into actions that are been taken to fight back rather than merely observe. It is a change for the better.

In the first episode the subject of The GreatER Reset is covered. Agorism and so on. As with all Corbett Report productions there are many links to further sources of information. A good starting point to positive action beyond the immediate science-based political oppression.

353244 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #455 of 2161 🔗

London positive testing has increased about 30% since the New Year yet despite this the positive test results just about everywhere around London peaked on the 29th Dec, just in time for the Lockdown on Jan 5th to claim the credit when…… rates continue to fall.
Exactly the same thing happened with Lockdown 1, 23rd March, the peak had passed on about March 18th.
Exactly the same with Lockdown 2, Nov 5th, following the autumn peak on Oct 31st.
Strange?

353315 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, 4, #456 of 2161 🔗

It’s been asked here before. Do you think they know what they are doing in calling lockdown right at the point or just after the peaks? Seems we have to consider that they are stage managing things in this regard

353322 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #457 of 2161 🔗

It seems pretty deliberate to me. Observe a natural downward trend, impose harsher restrictions, claim the restrictions caused the decline.

353344 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #458 of 2161 🔗

I don’t know, they’re certainly picking winners each time, look for the inflection in the curve then lockdown, but why? Personally I’m in the cock-up/conflation of opportunity camp so I think attributing such a motive would be a big step. I don’t think politicians are that capable.
I think the whole thing is largely Stockholm syndrome, the Cabinet have been taken hostage by the health guys & have come to believe there nonsense.
The inescapable facts remain:

  1. We have 13% fewer people in English hospital beds than this time last year
  2. We have no more people dying than we normally do
  3. There’s no clear correlation between lockdown & remission of infection, even if you believe in the tests
353349 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to NickR, 1, #459 of 2161 🔗

….. ‘their’, not there nonsense. I hate lazy spelling!

353367 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to NickR, 4, #460 of 2161 🔗

So do I, but let’s all be forgiving. Wee can awl make misstakes.

353377 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #461 of 2161 🔗

It reminds me a bit of stop losses in financial markets – a position gets really nasty so you panic and cut it, just before it was about to turn and come back your way in any case.

353521 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #462 of 2161 🔗

I have posted before about previous governments noisily ‘taking control’ of a health crisis when they know the worst is over.

353796 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #463 of 2161 🔗

Amazing, that had not occurred to me. I just thought they were damned stupid. But you are right, it stinks just like all the rest of it.

354459 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #464 of 2161 🔗

Not stupid. All cleverly orchestrated by the behavioural scientists – ie the BS-ists.

353712 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to NickR, 2, #465 of 2161 🔗

It is like everything, after an event they re-act.
Terrorist attack – more police.
Accident – reduce speed
Plane falls down – more security checks

If we knew something would happen it would not called be an accident, and nothing would happen as everyone would cower at home under a duvet.

353245 kpaulsmith1463, 5, #466 of 2161 🔗

Regarding the protest mask at the bottom of today’s missive, a still better choice. At least, for fans of dystopian science fiction (such as we are all now forced to live in) and the work of the late, great Harlan Ellison. Via Redbubble: https://www.redbubble.com/i/mask/I-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-by-ArtworkGoran/66269882.9G0D8#&gid=1&pid=2

353251 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 25, #467 of 2161 🔗

Re the shop mask hype

I suspect the supermarkets are taking a huge hit at the moment.

After the hyper fear porn of the past six weeks the cultist are not prepared to go to the shops where they may happen upon an unmasked person

To counter this the shops have pushed the ‘everyone will be masked’ line. ‘Please come everyone will be masked.’ ‘You will be safe’

Pointless. the cultists aren’t coming out from behind the sofa anytime soon, they would prefer to die of starvation

353293 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 18, #468 of 2161 🔗

Many people on Twitter are starting to think that this is the government wanting to destroy supermarkets as well. They’ve decimated retail, hospitality, sports & leisure, culture and heritage so now they’re going for the sector that’s still standing – supermarkets.

Being the idiots that they are, the supermarket bosses have fallen for this nonsense and are doing everything to alienate their customers and lead them to boycott.

If they do go bust then they will have no one to blame but themselves.

353332 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #469 of 2161 🔗

Good
Shop locally as much as you can
Fuk the corporations

353353 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #470 of 2161 🔗

I’m finding the supermarkets are fine personally. I go to what I consider a small Tesco (as per usual) and the staff are basically fine. It’s some of the small local shops round here that are the problem and refuse to let me in without a mask (even on production of a lanyard) and are therefore obviously going to be boycotted by me from here on in – even after all this is over.

353517 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ElizaP, 5, #471 of 2161 🔗

I was only badly treated once, by a newsagent/tobacconist, during lockdown 1. but it was before masks became a thing, they were like that to everyone and I will never go back there ever.
They were so rude John Cleese could have made a sketch about it.

353361 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #472 of 2161 🔗

Would be great however I live in an area where local businesses are non existent. We don’t even have a market.

Am going to Morrisons shortly to test the waters.

353505 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #473 of 2161 🔗

Hurrah for my independent post office convenience store, their main problem is keeping stocks up.

353677 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, 1, #474 of 2161 🔗

As usual they are confusing opinions on twitter as real life and real consensus. Exactly the same as their response to blm

354467 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, #475 of 2161 🔗

If they get everyone online ordering, they can close the big stores and save an absolute fortune.

353255 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 38, #476 of 2161 🔗

So now we have the entirely predictable pandering to our emotions with the British Bedwetting Corporation pushing out this piece of propaganda, painting NHS workers as poor little lambs, broken by the horrors of life on the front lines:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55630157

No mention of the millions of those who have suffered domestic abuse, destroyed educations, collapsed businesses, missed cancers, addiction, impoverishment, depression, and even worse have succumbed to treatable conditions and suicide – many of these people with an abundance of quality years ahead of them. All because of lockdowns which the state broadcaster has so vociferously championed.

These NHS staff seem to have collectively forgotten every last winter of their careers. Many of these people have been completely brainwashed, ironically by the likes of the chief propagandists at the BBC. This article should go down like a cup of cold sick with anybody who has suffered due to these totalitarian lockdowns – yet again, they are ignored whilst the media and the muzzled, rainbow badge wearing zombies monomaniacally focus on “our NHS.”

353273 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Scotty87, 6, #477 of 2161 🔗

I wouldn’t necessarily blame the staff, they’re not the ones writing the stories.

Without context we don’t know how this compares to particularly bad flu seasons. Plus the last year has been exceptional in terms of people being made to feel particularly scared by all the fear mongering added to the way everyones lives have been turned upside down.

As usual the media telling a twisted version of the truth.

353310 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #478 of 2161 🔗

Many staff, as I have noticed recently, are adopting increasingly militant stances on what the public should be doing. Those who refuse vaccination, more so than the masks, are in for a very public effort to shame them, NHS workers leading the charge.

353468 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #479 of 2161 🔗

They are also among the most vaccine sceptic.

353284 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Scotty87, 5, #480 of 2161 🔗

At least they’ve got a fucking home to go to. Many in the public sector have lost even that.

353292 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Scotty87, 12, #481 of 2161 🔗

Are medical professionals not trained with the context of dealing with sickness and death? That’s their job! We all have stresses with work at times, but here it is – back the same old, poor NHS workers.

353343 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #482 of 2161 🔗

The one thing that no-one points out re “poor stressed NHS staff” is that they/we all know this particular stress (if it exists) will go at some point and they will be back to their normal work levels etc. So how does a few months of extra stress working for the NHS compare to some years of having to keep working for an employer that is causing lots of stress to their staff (or some of their staff) deliberately and keeping this up year in year out for literally years (eg the Civil Service – which has form for deliberately being nasty to staff/harassing them at every opportunity in order to try and make them “resign of their own free will” – so the Civil Service can save on redundancy payouts/unfair dismissal claims).

353356 ▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to Scotty87, 11, #483 of 2161 🔗

Front line health care is by definition at times a stressful job. That is patently clear and should be known by anyone considering such a career.

Yes these are ‘unusual’ times and the pressures on them are greater than normal, but they are not extreme, and so if anyone in the NHS does not have the resilience to cope they are clearly in the wrong job and incapable of performing their duties properly. They should step aside or be let go, particularly as they are on the public purse.

No-one has the right to have a job where the job description is defined by the individual. It is defined by the employer and you can either do it or not.

Imagine an airline pilot having a breakdown because he had to land a plane during a thunderstorm? Or a firefighter having one because he had go into a burning building?

Or a teacher being consumed by panic because they have to go into a classroom where there was an extremely slim chance they might catch a virus from the children that might cause them to feel unwell for a while.

Oh…..wait……….I dont think we have to imagine the last one!

353810 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 2, #484 of 2161 🔗

I work in museums and heritage and summer tends to be our busiest time. Management can plan until the cows come home but at the end of the day, we simply have to get on with it. 2019 was the busiest it was since I started in 2015 – we had two blockbuster exhibitions and demand was so high that we had to deal with irate visitors every day.

That’s why I don’t much sympathy for the NHS. Surely they must know that every January-February is when admissions for respiratory illnesses go up. As night follows day then they should know what their busy times are. As we do in the museums & heritage sector.

Of course as we all know a lot of this is a ploy to get more money from the government who can’t say no to “our blessed NHS.”

353256 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 12, #485 of 2161 🔗

Captors use social isolation to torture prisoners of war—to drastic effect. Social isolation of other-wise healthy, well-functioning individuals eventually results in psychological and physical disintegration, and even death. Over the past few decades, social scientists have gone beyond evidence of extreme social deprivation to demonstrate a clear link between social relationships and health in the general population. “

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0022146510383501

354492 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to rockoman, #486 of 2161 🔗

Page 8: Reduce Social Isolation
This addresses one of the most fundamental findings from research on social ties and health: The most socially isolated Americans are those at greatest risk of poor health and early mortality (Brummett et al. 2001)

353271 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #487 of 2161 🔗

Euromomo charts yet to be updated this week but still instructive when you compare excess deaths to prior years.

353302 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, 6, #488 of 2161 🔗

Euromomo is the definitive measure for me. The data supplied comes straight from the public health bodies.

353431 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -3, #489 of 2161 🔗

And from where do the public health bodies get data.

I suspect there is a lag with the Euromo data.

353564 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mayo, #490 of 2161 🔗

Ovis-!

353272 Catee, replying to Catee, 3, #491 of 2161 🔗

I don’t see how vaccine passports can be valid. The ‘vaccines’ being given against c19 are ‘therapies’ to reduce the impact of the disease on the recipient, they do not give immunity to contracting the disease and it is unknown if they will prevent the vaccinated from transmitting the disease. Therefore the only use these passports would have is to ‘control’ the populace.
If it is all about proving your risks of becoming seriously ill are diminshed then T cell passports should also be valid.

353685 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Catee, 1, #492 of 2161 🔗

Yep and they vaccine does not stop you spreading the virus.

353280 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #493 of 2161 🔗

Censorship is Never the Answer
Free speech is the only defence against totalitarianism.

353297 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #494 of 2161 🔗

Why can’t people see this is where the vaccination programme is headed. Hell, it’s already here with the masks (HSBC) and travel (IAG, Quantas). These large corporations control the critical infrastructure of our freedom. So the vaccine minister declaring that health passports will not be mandated by government is sleight of hand. They’ll not need to.

There is no defence between my freedom and those who seek to end it. Sleepness night over this last night as family, without any note of questioning or discussion, are now sharing their stamped vaccine cards (Ireland).

353328 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #495 of 2161 🔗

My cousin proudly showed hers off on facebook last week. The amount of congratulations she got in the comments was sickening.

353490 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #496 of 2161 🔗

I’m not sure why my comment inspired your reply, of course having jabs to enter certain countries is nothing new, as a libertarian i believe people should be able to go where they like. The pragmatist in me accepts you can’t have socialism & open borders.
And believe me we’ve begun a new era of socialism, corporate socialism, ignoring those marxist theory pedants whose heads are still stuck in the 1800’s. We are entering a very dark period in human history, we are about to cross the rubicon, if we don’t alter course our freedoms will be lost forever to technocracy.
I’d like to be able to offer reassuring words to placate you but it would be disingenuous to do so, we are heading for worrying times there is a growing minority that want to destroy our culture, country & values. The politicians are leading this treachery captivated by neo-liberal globalists.
The sheep are submitting to this manipulation like demented lemmings trying to compete to jump off a cliff and I also find it terrifying how people can be so apathetic to their fate.

353351 ▶▶ iane, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #497 of 2161 🔗

Yes – that USED to be the job of the MSM such as the BBC!

353395 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #498 of 2161 🔗

Gab groups

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054

Lockdown sceptics https://gab.com/groups/7848

353287 mikec, replying to mikec, 26, #499 of 2161 🔗

Just had a reply from Morrison’s, they confirm that those with an exemption must ‘carry a letter from a doctor’ or ‘wear a lanyard’ if they wish to enter the store. They reserved the right to refuse you entry if you’re not wearing a mask. Well it’s arrived, disabled people now have to identify themselves publicly to go about their daily duties, has anybody ever before been made to wear a badge to show that they are different from everybody else? Thinking about it now, of course they have. My neighbour still thinks that Boris is doing a good job.

353295 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to mikec, 18, #500 of 2161 🔗

But you can’t get a letter from the doctor?
Surely whoever is in charge of Morrisons would know this?

353493 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #501 of 2161 🔗

I would send a strongly worded letter off to the CEO asap, pointing out the error and the possibility of legal action. Whilst it might be the right who they allow in their stores actions like this are bad for business.

353298 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to mikec, 12, #502 of 2161 🔗

I’d reply and suggest they check the history books, specifically 1930s Germany.

353303 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to mikec, 10, #503 of 2161 🔗

As a private premises they have the right to decide who they let in or who they don’t. However, they are on a slippery slope when it comes to deciding on who is exempt or who is not on medical grounds.

353327 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 9, #504 of 2161 🔗

They may have the legal right to do so – but, without customers, they’d be up the creek without a paddle and go out of business.

353348 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 13, #505 of 2161 🔗

However they are NOT allowed to discriminate against minorities!

353372 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 10, #506 of 2161 🔗

Yes and no. They technically can refuse people, but not due to prejudice. For example, telling a gay person they are not welcome, or an ethnic minority, or….. somebody with a disability.
If they choose to ban just you, but let in others without masks, then they are within their rights. But to blanket ban people on the grounds of health exemptions, is illegal.

353463 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to danny, 6, #507 of 2161 🔗

Even then if they refuse you entry because you are not wearing a mask despite telling them you are exempt it is still Discrimination

353379 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 10, #508 of 2161 🔗

They can only not allow entry if the person is drunk, on drugs, disorderly. Other than that discrimination on the grounds of disability or any other protected characteristic is illegal.

353422 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 6, #509 of 2161 🔗

Not under Disability Discrimination legislation they don’t.
A while back I posted a pic of a large sign at a supermarket petrol forecourt
‘those who cannot wear masks please us the window for service’
That is in itself Discrimination.

353453 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 7, #510 of 2161 🔗

Agree. It is the same as denying you entry because you are black

355147 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, #511 of 2161 🔗

Looks like Segregation to me. Tobacco consumers were segregrated from pubs, restos and cafés thirteen years ago and still are. It’s just another example of intolerant, neurotic, hypochondriac, drunk with unlimited power, W.H.O. worshipping Public Health fanatics in action. And you can be sure there will be more restrictions to follow. Jabs included.

353695 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 5, #512 of 2161 🔗

What if that person was black? Would you refuse admission? This is not meant in a racist way but there is a ton of legislation against discrimination.

353340 ▶▶ iane, replying to mikec, 13, #513 of 2161 🔗

Wow – getting a letter from a doctor: sounds like Mission Impossible to me! Do the bosses have any idea what is happening in the real world, I wonder?!

353346 ▶▶ dhid, replying to mikec, 6, #514 of 2161 🔗

What is it with these companies? Are they completely stupid? Do they want to drive customers away?

353376 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to dhid, 6, #515 of 2161 🔗

It’s quite obvious the government have put pressure on them to do it.

Don’t want to be that person that says i told you so, but i told you so, i’ve been saying it for days, you’ve got no defence against mask Nazis now, they’re coming for you.

353455 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #516 of 2161 🔗

It’s quite obvious the government have put pressure on them to do it.

Indeed!

Wonder if they thought this through properly. Possibility of massive lost market share. Yes, 4 of the supermarkets decided to do it together for protection but there are lots of other options around such as supporting local shops, Aldi, Liddl and online shops.

I buy mayonnaise (previously stocked by Waitrose) from an online independent shop based in Scotland

353383 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to mikec, 12, #517 of 2161 🔗

It’s going to require some bottle from us. There are those on here who have it in spades. I confess to being a little more timid so whilst I always go maskless these days and carry the lanyard but never wear it, I do avoid these indoor situations as much as possible.
We have to stand firm though – the government guidelines say we do not have to prove it and can choose to wear a lanyard if we wish. Any supermarket manager pushing it beyond a polite enquiry is breaking anti-discrimination legislation and risking a large fine and needs that pointing out to them.

353411 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to WasSteph, 8, #518 of 2161 🔗

Declare yourself Transgender
unable to wear a mask due to your transition
Then scream transphobia

355149 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Crystal Decanter, #519 of 2161 🔗

Join Christian Science.

353392 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mikec, 6, #520 of 2161 🔗

Yellow star exempt badge/lanyard
we need to start using them

353823 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #521 of 2161 🔗

At protest in CzR recently, s omeone wore a yellow star with ‘unvaccinated’ written on it . Lost work (as external contractor, not employee) after photo appeared in media.

353451 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mikec, 8, #522 of 2161 🔗

Thanks for feedback!

Interesting, so Morrison’s just confirmed that they will break the Discrimination Act and also go against Government guidance by insisting on ‘seeing’ proof (lanyard, exemption card). There is no such a thing as a ‘ medical’ exemption, it is only an exemption.

If anyone is denied entry to Morrison’s if not willing to provide evidence (not required) then vote with your feet and shop elsewhere.

353609 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to mikec, 4, #523 of 2161 🔗

It’s good you have that documented from them as it is essentially a confession that they are breaching the Equalities Act – you are now able to sue them as they are directly telling you you can’t come in because you have a disability. If they have put that in writing then they are very stupid.

353881 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #524 of 2161 🔗

Costco are much worse; they insist on a visor or a mask NO exceptions. As they are not a store open to the public (they are a wholesale “club”), they say they can get away with this.

My email was ignored.

353296 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #525 of 2161 🔗

Here is the full article discussed in the AIER article recommended today. As you see in the quote below you have to be diplomatic in order to get published hence the last phrase.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.28.20248936v1 Lockdown Effects on Sars-CoV-2 Transmission – The evidence from Northern Jutland
“Our analysis shows that while infection levels decreased, they did so before lockdown was effective, and infection numbers also decreased in neighbour municipalities without mandates. Direct spill-over to neighbour municipalities or the simultaneous mass testing do not explain this. Instead, control of infection pockets possibly together with voluntary social behaviour was apparently effective before the mandate, explaining why the infection decline occurred before and in both the mandated and non-mandated areas. The data suggest that efficient infection surveillance and voluntary compliance make full lockdowns unnecessary at least in some circumstances.”

353301 Basics, replying to Basics, 14, #527 of 2161 🔗

Nothing good to see here. Perhaps posted already. Hancock on gmb being ‘grilled’ by morgan over school meals. They are at loggerheads, in actual fact. Hancock is blatantly very uncomfortable and working his lying arse off to avoid giving a truthful reply.

https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1349290539905118208?s=20

The free School meals have been totted up by equivalent purchasies in Asda. £5.22 for a week of ‘school meals’. Waitose comes in at £7.76.

Priced via Asda:

Bread 89p
Beans 85p
Carrots 15p
Apples 42p
Potatoes 22p
Tomato 11p
Cheese £1.45
Frubes 33p
Pasta 10p
Soreen 40p
Bananas 30p

Public funds were charged £30. I’d have bought this for £5.22.

The private company who have the #FSM contract made good profit here.

https://twitter.com/RoadsideMum/status/1348651751759609859?s=20

This is Chartwells. A part of the Compass group.

353316 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 9, #528 of 2161 🔗

That’s ridiculous but not surprising. A few years’ ago I read an account about wastage in the public sector – one department needed a couple of laptops and the head managed to find laptops from Currys that fitted the bill and reasonably priced. No surprises that he was told that he could only get the laptops from a recognised supplier and of course they were more expensive than in Currys.

It’s a scandal and am amazed no one has really looked into this..

353323 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #529 of 2161 🔗

Why would anybody look into this when it’s easier and better for them to set up a company to take advantage?

353385 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #530 of 2161 🔗

It’s corruption isn’t it? Favouring certain suppliers even if they don’t deliver the goods or you can get the same stuff cheaper or better elsewhere.

353333 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #531 of 2161 🔗

It’s the back-handers to the buying departments that are responsible. When I worked for Unilever this was rife even in such a well-run company!

353416 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #532 of 2161 🔗

Compass group is not public sector, last I heard they specialised in supplying meals to the airline industry so should have plenty of idle assets.

353329 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Basics, 9, #533 of 2161 🔗

I’d have bought this for £5.22.”

They would, of course, have paid even less than retail in Asda, possibly a lot less.

353331 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, 5, #534 of 2161 🔗

As long as Compass donate to the Tory Party who gives a fuck

353371 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basics, 3, #535 of 2161 🔗

I’m at a loose end, perhaps I could tender for the gig!

353381 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 5, #536 of 2161 🔗

Am I the only one who thinks ‘ protein ?’ i.e. eggs, fish, meat.

354542 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, #537 of 2161 🔗

Exactly. What on earth are frubes?

353442 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 6, #538 of 2161 🔗

If this is the crap that they feed children then no wonder we have a nation of sick people. It is very processed and carbohydrate and sugar heavy (bread, beans, potatoes, rubes, pasta, soreen)

353457 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 8, #539 of 2161 🔗

Exactly. It makes me angry whenever someone says it’s a) really expensive to eat healthily and b) really difficult. It is neither. What is expensive is pre-packed, processed crap. I’m guessing domestic science isn’t taught in schools anymore.

And while I’m at it, all these bloody supermarkets banging on about keeping us ‘safe’ they could do that by reducing the amount of unnecessary/unhealthy pap that they sell that is contributing to obesity/ill health. Rant over.

353821 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 5, #540 of 2161 🔗

If people want to learn how to make good meals for not much money, I have load of ideas.

I don’t understand why some people have an aversion to leftovers and batch cooking then have the nerve to complain about cooking making them feel tired. The whole point of batch cooking is not have to cook all day every day!

353834 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #541 of 2161 🔗

Me too. Cooking isn’t difficult. Even when I’m knackered I manage to make something vaguely nutritious. The trouble is all these sleb chefs ponce around making it look difficult. I’m a chuck it all in, in a Keith Floyd kind of way, cook!

355151 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bart Simpson, #542 of 2161 🔗

I used to be a member of a food co-op in Montreal.

354543 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #543 of 2161 🔗

Same as school lunches.

353740 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Basics, 4, #544 of 2161 🔗

A good proportion of parents are pissed-off because all they want is some excessively-packed salt-laiden crap to sling in the microwave. Or for special occasions something to drop onto a baking tray. Beans on toast is just too taxing.

353840 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Basics, 3, #545 of 2161 🔗

I believe Saddam had gold plated toilets. Think he’s now running the NHS.

353860 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to TyRade, 1, #546 of 2161 🔗

But he would have been able to shoot administrators who didn’t deliver the goods!

353304 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 48, #547 of 2161 🔗

Don’t forget skeptics give the supermarkets hell, while I understand that it may not be everyone’s cup of tea to fake blackouts and obliterate floral displays, this method works a treat and rams home the point… Wearing a WW2 gas mask also causes confusion and panic taking up time and resources to those on the receiving end..hit them hard don’t Fuck about.. Doctor’s this morning blood test WW2 mask ready to rumble…

353318 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #548 of 2161 🔗

Thanks Bruce, on point and some much needed humour as always!

353368 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #549 of 2161 🔗

Re the WW2 mask- i have one, be wary, they do contain asbestos. The virus won`t kill you but asbestos might.

353454 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to nickbowes, 12, #550 of 2161 🔗

May just get an asbestos warning sticker for the mask cause even more mayhem..

353852 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #551 of 2161 🔗

Trust you to turn it round to an even greater escalation!

353374 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #552 of 2161 🔗

100% start foaming at the mouth
Convulse like Linda Blair
it works !!

353384 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #553 of 2161 🔗

I was considering a bag for life over my head and stumbling about in Morrisons baked goods…

353425 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to concrete68, 7, #554 of 2161 🔗

Hit those croissants!

353460 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to concrete68, 6, #555 of 2161 🔗

Anything will do as long as you ram home the point.. always go for the softer displays causes more damage and is kind to your body…

353535 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to concrete68, 7, #556 of 2161 🔗

I do not mask up. But if they change the law and we are forced, then you can get a fantastic Venetian style plague mask online. That kind of stunt would really wind up the virtue signallers!

353307 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 20, #558 of 2161 🔗

Back in time, when the majority believed that the earth was flat, would those nut jobs that claimed it was round have been accused of conspiracy theories – and silenced from twitler

353324 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Major Panic, 6, #559 of 2161 🔗

Yes

353420 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Major Panic, 11, #560 of 2161 🔗

Yes and Facebook would circulate a meme with a picture of a round earth and people falling off it with the tag line “It’s not rocket science!” and the BBC would have a story “How do I talk to my friend who believes the earth is round?”.

353311 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 5, #561 of 2161 🔗

Yes….Release the scare stories now El Presidente, got to butter up the sheep in readiness for your even stricter restrictions announcement today eh?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scots-hospitals-breaking-point-more-23307155

One hospital has even “ran out of beds”

353320 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 8, #562 of 2161 🔗

Buttered sheep, mmm, thanks I was looking for ideas for dinner

353313 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 34, #563 of 2161 🔗

This latest mask stuff has now made me more anxious going to any shop. Anywhere I have been in the past few days I can feel more dirty looks at me, even with wearing a lanyard.
They can’t blame schools or pubs now as they’re closed, so are looking elsewhere for anything at all to point the finger at. Fucking bullying bastards.
It really feels like a battle now, a battle of wills and to stay strong mentally with all of this.

353321 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Ganjan21, 20, #564 of 2161 🔗

Who cares how anyone looks at you, and, to be honest, most people won’t give a shit what you are wearing or not wearing anyway. Don’t fall for the government propaganda!

353352 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to jb12, 17, #565 of 2161 🔗

Bang on ignore the MSM propaganda machine, most real world people don’t give a fuck..

353433 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to jb12, 4, #566 of 2161 🔗

agree, that is what i tell the 8 year old child – it does not matter what other people think

353359 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ganjan21, 15, #567 of 2161 🔗

Stay strong, it is all designed for a reaction. Hold your head high and let Bruce Reynolds be your guide.

Fuck them!!!

Try not to get involved in any confrontation, stay schtum. We are exempt.

353393 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 9, #568 of 2161 🔗

Anyone going against the grain now is a hero in my book.

Need more of them.

353365 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ganjan21, 16, #569 of 2161 🔗

I felt like that yesterday. Now I’m just effing angry that they are doing this evil regime’s bidding. Thing is to stay calm, stand your ground and know that you are in the right.

353401 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to Ganjan21, 14, #570 of 2161 🔗

One coping strategy I use, is to put my headphones on and and turn then music up. I wander around the supermarket mask-free, enjoying my sounds. For all I know, some customers might be making nasty comments. But I will never know, as I can’t hear them!

353409 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ganjan21, 10, #571 of 2161 🔗

Show your face with.pride.

353496 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Ganjan21, 17, #572 of 2161 🔗

For every budding witchfinder general out there, more people are likely to find your non-mask wearing quietly inspiring. They will probably never say anything to you, but they will see your face and understand that they can also ditch the mask.

It was the sight of two maskless men in business suits, chatting and joking with each other while they waited in Cafè Nero for the barista to make their drinks in front of me in the queue, that made me tear off my face covering and decide to emulate them right there and then. They were so inspiring in their normality.

Every maskless face is another beacon of hope to people who are building up the courage to resist.

353845 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to GorbalsGirl, 6, #573 of 2161 🔗

It’s always a pleasure to see the look on little children’s faces. I was walking out of Asda and a 2-year-old suddenly started beaming at me. I wondered if I knew him, then realised that he had simply seen my bare face and recognised my smile (I tend to smile when I see little children).

My immediate emotion was delight that I had made him happy, then my mood took a sudden turn for the worse, when I saw his mother with a face-nappy on. Poor little chap.

353497 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #574 of 2161 🔗

I know.

I would say though that my experience in shops has been an even more friendly reception from staff and, as far as I can tell, other shoppers.

I guess many people know now that anyone still not wearing a mask is serious about it. It must be clear that we are not lightly taking the piss.

353737 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #575 of 2161 🔗

I often feel people look at me angry because they are too afraid to take their mouthnosecovering off and are angry at themselves.
I always look them straight in the face and smile. And feel superior.

353827 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #576 of 2161 🔗

A smile, good posture and purposeful stride also helps.

Plus dress well even if its casual. I find that my vintage coat and brooch always gets favourable comments from people and gets a conversation rolling.

353334 robnicholson, 16, #577 of 2161 🔗

>2020 saw most deaths since 1918 2008
The BBC is really doing my head in these days. It appears they are intentionally spreading FUD – I’d be behind dropping the license fee based on headlines like that.

Yes numerically the deaths are higher than in 1918 but totally meaningless statistic out of context unless you adjust for population (and age) – which was ~35% lower in 1918 at ~43 million.

Rolls eyes!

353337 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 52, #578 of 2161 🔗

Today’s blackboard:

2021, what a start:

Liberty – still denied
Freedom – still denied
Education – still denied

==================

Unlike the gov’t, supermarkets and banks we will not challenge or question any non mask-wearers!

353405 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to kh1485, 9, #579 of 2161 🔗

Please… where is this?! I need to go.

353508 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #580 of 2161 🔗

The People’s Republic of North West Essex …

353709 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kh1485, 1, #581 of 2161 🔗

Sorry, where abouts, anywhere near Billericay?

354023 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Spikedee1, #582 of 2161 🔗

Not really, about 50 miles north …

353829 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #583 of 2161 🔗

Woohoo!!!

go kh!!!!!

353339 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 18, #584 of 2161 🔗

Woke up to this nightmare again.

Has it all collapsed yet or are we still waiting for all those lockdown luvvies that get to sit around in their pants all day flicking themselves off to the Jeremy Vine show for 10 months on 80% pay to lose their jobs?

353394 ▶▶ danny, replying to captainbeefheart, 8, #585 of 2161 🔗

Still on hold I’m afraid.
You are number 5000000 million in the queue, but please hold. Your call is important to us.

353489 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #586 of 2161 🔗

yes, aside from the fact that we’ll be going down in flames before they do, its going to be beautiful to watch isn’t it

353341 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 59, #587 of 2161 🔗

As somebody that commutes into London every day I have noticed there are less and less people on the trains and just generally around town. This morning was the worst of the lot, 28days later would be a crowded place compared to this. Also , mask compliance while walking outside almost 100%. But the cherry on the cake was a young lady at the bus stop wearing a …wait for it…a Chris Witty t shirt..I shit you not, his picture on the front and below the slogan, Stay inside, save lives. I mean, now I have seen everything. There is no hope for this country, zero,zilch.We are so fucked I’m lost for words. As Rod Liddle said once: We have reached peak wank !

353358 ▶▶ danny, replying to Thomas_E, 20, #588 of 2161 🔗

I don’t think I could have held my tongue at that one. I would have laughed and tried to annoy her by earnestly congratulating her on the “joke” T-shirt and asking where she got it, trying to then force her to explain “no it’s not meant to be funny”.

353366 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to danny, 6, #589 of 2161 🔗

I would but I was running to catch the train..I’m still in shock.

353387 ▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to Thomas_E, 11, #590 of 2161 🔗

Need to get one of those “I’m with stupid” T-shirts with the direction arrow, just in case you ever see her again, and stand next to her.

353382 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Thomas_E, 20, #591 of 2161 🔗

That woman and her t-shirt is the epitome of this shit: virtue-signalling outside while telling everyone else to stay inside.

353391 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #592 of 2161 🔗

I wonder how much she got paid to wear it??

353441 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Thomas_E, 14, #593 of 2161 🔗

So a woman outside is wearing a T-shirt with the slogan, “Stay inside, save lives.” Self-awareness seems to be short supply amongst the lockdownistas.

353465 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #594 of 2161 🔗

a Chris Witty t shirt

OK, but did she also have a guide dog?

353832 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #595 of 2161 🔗

Sorry….I would have collapsed laughing had I see that sight.

Is she for real???

Shame its too cold for me to show off my “man to sheep” t-shirt.

353342 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 16, #597 of 2161 🔗

Has anyone come across a Jewish “gold star” exempt lanyard
We are going to have to appropriate this one i’m afraid

353355 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Crystal Decanter, 10, #598 of 2161 🔗

I think my nana might has one..Her is the original though from 1941. Might borrow it.

353430 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #599 of 2161 🔗

After all these months i now think that is a great idea – will that wake up some of these virtue signalling idiots?

353839 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Crystal Decanter, #600 of 2161 🔗

I’m tempted to print one off and attach it to my sunflower one.

353345 RickH, replying to RickH, 7, #601 of 2161 🔗

Once again, the lead item gives an impression of accepting the basis of government analysis, even if disputing causation.

It would be good to see more critical mind at work on the narrative.

With all the ‘ifs, buts and maybe’s’ it is clear that there is nothing to contradict the thesis that things are following a normal pattern for the time of year with, once again, all the panic being instilled by the PCR test.

Wake me up if something actually changes after six months of normality.

353398 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 7, #602 of 2161 🔗

As to the BBC claims about the mortality rate, and the gloss from the King’s Fund functionary : it is absolutely amazing that ignorance can run at such an abysmal level on such a basic piece of data analysis.

It was obvious by May that this was no ‘unprecedented’ year of mortality, being actually the end of an unprecedented period of anomalous low mortality that began about 2000. The ‘dry tinder’ effect was also quickly revealed by any intelligent analysis, with the two-year figure showing almost precisely an average level of mortality judged over the quarter century.

Summer to Winter has shown a totally normal level, with any sustained variation tending towards the minimum, not the maximum level.

The incompetence or venality (take your pick) of those claiming otherwise has been clear to anyone with basic data skills. It matches the egregious fictional wrongness of Vallance’s ‘4000 a day’ death rate for December. Quite simply :

2020 all-cause mortality is well within normal medium-term levels.

353403 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 6, #603 of 2161 🔗

PS : Note – once again – the use of the meaningless term ‘excess deaths’ – a key tool of distortion.

353429 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to RickH, 1, #604 of 2161 🔗

Well said Rick, this point can’t be driven home often enough.

353362 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #605 of 2161 🔗

So free food for children is scam. Who knew?

353402 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 5, #606 of 2161 🔗

The supplier has apologised. Why aren’t they going to gaol ?

353427 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 5, #607 of 2161 🔗

Ahh yes, only apologise when you get caught out

353466 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Cecil B, 6, #608 of 2161 🔗

The same happened during shielding. The government were paying £40 for food parcels that contained about £20 of food, much of it useless and still in cupboards like my mothers.

353519 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #609 of 2161 🔗

So many snouts, so many troughs!

353364 Nobody2021, 11, #610 of 2161 🔗

I think I’ve made this comment before, but if my actions were responsible for hundreds and thousands of deaths I’d want as many of them as possible testing positive so they wouldn’t be noticed.

353369 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #611 of 2161 🔗
353423 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #612 of 2161 🔗

Ha ha

353378 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 5, #614 of 2161 🔗

So wearable technology like a FitBit can monitor biomarkers to predict COVID-19 eh?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/tech-and-science/science/can-digital-biomarkers-predict-covid-19/article/583470#ixzz6indrQZ9Q

Hmm, I wonder if, when this takes off, they’ll want to monitor you 24/7, for your own safety of course. But, you can take off wearable technology, so how best to fix that conundrum? Microchips anyone??

Just sayin’.

353396 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to GuyRich, 8, #615 of 2161 🔗

They will put a ankle / wrist chain permanently on you!
Honestly i see this the the direction where some mechanism to track and trace you permanently like in china – your health/vaxx record, where you’ve been, how much exercise you’ve taken, your social media, your financial situation, what you buy, etc and you’re permitted certain activities based on your scoring.
Will drip feed through in phases as most IT projects are and will start with the vaxx digital id, then they will tag on another feature and before you know it in 5 years time all the dots will line up and you’re basically a controlled slave. Though it is promoted with infantile adverts etc so the sheep don’t recognise where they are being led, and even if they did probably are too stupid to take the significance and curtailment of their freedoms and data privacy.

353399 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to penelope pitstop, 4, #616 of 2161 🔗

With your income and credit card banking all on the same app, cash will not be an alternative.

353492 ▶▶ GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, #617 of 2161 🔗

And don’t forget apps like SweatCoin…..

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apps-fitness-sweatcoin/chart-topping-fitness-app-sweatcoin-secures-funding-idUSKBN1F62GR

Earning ‘credits’ while ‘exercising’………..

353551 ▶▶ Basics, replying to GuyRich, 4, #619 of 2161 🔗

Drifting in as always.. drift creep and tip toe, it’s what they do. When you catch them at it – The Great Reset for eg – they get the BBC to proclaim it’s all theory. See Monday’s ukc column for them plucking the arms and legs off that latest BBC claim.

353744 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to GuyRich, 1, #620 of 2161 🔗

Once the go crypto they’ll grant you some BOE coins when those markers improve and take them away when they don’t. Microsoft already have a patent for such a system

353386 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 27, #621 of 2161 🔗

He’s at it again. Cannot wait to see the back of that guy.

“Make face masks mandatory outdoors and close churches, says Sadiq Khan”

353388 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Adamb, 14, #622 of 2161 🔗

What about the mosques?

353406 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to TheClone, 13, #623 of 2161 🔗

To be fair, that telegraph quote is a bit disingenuous, he actually said ‘places of worship’. Still can’t stand him.

353390 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Adamb, 10, #624 of 2161 🔗

But not mosques and Blacks and Muslims will be exempt from mandatory diapering… because of white privilege etc. Sick Khan just another Muslim fascist.

353412 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to FerdIII, 1, #625 of 2161 🔗

Just because you’re raving and paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.

353400 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Adamb, 3, #626 of 2161 🔗

‘part and parcel of living in a big city’.

353408 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Adamb, 13, #627 of 2161 🔗

Khan is a retarded idiot.

353439 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Adamb, 7, #628 of 2161 🔗

Being that at least 2 people named in the Capitol incidents on 6 Jan have been linked to BLM (per the Gateway pundit), & being that Dem’s are screaming that said incidents are an impeachable offence, a work colleague of mine has emailed the London Assembly to ask if its appropriate for Mr Mayor to continue his explicit support for the group..

353440 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Adamb, 4, #629 of 2161 🔗

What a piece of shit

353514 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Adamb, 1, #630 of 2161 🔗

I wonder what his evidence is that this will have any effect – why are people like Khan just making up additional restrictions without any thought as to how they might help. (But then I guess all the restrictions fall into this category!)

353842 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Adamb, 1, #631 of 2161 🔗

More tone deaf pronouncements from that shitweasel.

Still refuses to admit that he’s responsible for turning into a Ghost Town.

353397 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 70, #632 of 2161 🔗

Just went up 2 Tesco expresses. First one no problem as usual. Nobody on the door. No questions. Second one there was a woman on the door who asked me where my face covering was. I said I was exempt. She said did I have a lanyard. I said nope, I don’t need to wear one or prove why I’m exempt. She said the policy has changed and I needed to wear a lanyard from now on or I couldn’t come in, I said no I don’t you’ve got that completely wrong and what you’ve said is actually against the law. She looked bemused and just said “that’s what I’ve been told” I shook my head and said well it’s wrong and carried on in to get what I needed.

I’ve fired off an email complaining and also phoned customer services. The bloke I spoke to said the woman had got it wrong and she should purely be asking if somebody who enters the store without a face covering needs one. If they say they are exempt that should be the end of the matter. He is going to contact the store to find out more details and somebody will call me back.

353509 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Hubes, 9, #633 of 2161 🔗

Good on you for holding your ground on this. People are making up their own version of the law, probably from what they have heard on the BBC.

353534 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Hubes, 9, #634 of 2161 🔗

Nice one for standing firm. It’s really important to put complaints into the customer services department and/or store management when staff take it upon themselves to discriminate in this way.

Once the message gets out to the stores the discriminatory practices will die down again. Some shop staff will be unwittingly taking their directions from media headlines.

353553 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #635 of 2161 🔗

Or, as was mentioned yesterday, the CEO – you usually get a swifter response.

354847 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kh1485, 2, #636 of 2161 🔗

I wrote to the Tesco CEO some months ago in response to one of his Covid circulars. I was querying why Tesco seemed to be forgetting that there were persons exempted from wearing masks. Despite four reminders I’ve only got automated acknowledgements, nothing else.

354834 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #637 of 2161 🔗

Some shop staff will be unwittingly taking their directions from media headlines.

Which emphasises how poor the Tesco management is.

353616 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hubes, 2, #638 of 2161 🔗

Well done, Hubes.

353753 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Hubes, 2, #639 of 2161 🔗

Check this clip out for satisfaction seeing a police officer “apologise”.
https://youtu.be/79cUofX13nE

353849 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hubes, 6, #640 of 2161 🔗

Great stuff and good on you for phoning head office. Looks like they’re backpedalling furiuosly now especially that I read somewhere that many people are considering taking legal action against supermarkets.

354149 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Hubes, 8, #641 of 2161 🔗

Good man – we must all get more aggressive on this one – this is the fabulous reply I got from Boots: “Thank you for your letter I received today I would like to apologise for the experience you received in Boots I****y. I have spoken with the member of staff involved within the incident and explained that it is individuals personal human rights whether to wear a mask. The colleague is sincerely apologetic for how you were made to feel.
I have spoken to all staff members within the Boots in I****y regarding the use of their own masks and how to approach customers who are not wearing them. Again, I apologize for the experience you had and hope future visits are more pleasant for you.Please feel free to contact myself in the future for any concerns you may have.”

353404 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 32, #642 of 2161 🔗

In Lidl this morning. Absolutely nobody challenged me for not wearing a mask, and when the sales assistant came to authorise my large purchase of drink and I said “I need it to get through these dark days,” she laughed in agreement.

353432 ▶▶ John001, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 24, #643 of 2161 🔗

Lidl deserve congratulations for not hassling their customers. What a country this has become, that I have to say such a thing.

On Monday the recorded announcement only mentioned distancing, no longer anything on masks.

353435 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to John001, 16, #644 of 2161 🔗

And also Aldi. Staff have always been courteous and friendly.

353478 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, 9, #645 of 2161 🔗

same with my Aldi. Never had anyone on the door. Staff friendly and whilst they do follow their own rules they are clearly pissed off with them.

353539 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to mj, 7, #646 of 2161 🔗

Still boycotting Aldi after their skull tattoed thug ( I’m sure he’s a really nice man) was a complete bastard nazi on first day of mask.

Lidl have been good as have smaller independents with actual humans in them.

353438 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 11, #647 of 2161 🔗

Yes I mainly shop in Lidl and each and every one of their staff in several stores have been friendly towards me throughout this whole thing.

353487 ▶▶ Alias Margaret, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 7, #648 of 2161 🔗

No problems in Asda this morning either. There are a number of staff without masks, but wearing badges. It states this clearly on the sandwich board outside and on the announcements. This is an out of town store on the edge of a large city.

I have always thought that many of these rules are London-centric. I pointed out to my MP in April that we do not have a metro system here, nor do people rely much on trains to get them to work. Even buses never seem full. Our shopping areas do not compare with those of London, Birmingham or Manchester so the streets are never crowded with people, but the experiences of our masters in London must colour their views when it comes to law making.

353507 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 4, #649 of 2161 🔗

I get the impression it varies depending on the demographics of the local area.

It seems that the higher brow stores such as M&S and Waitrose pander more to their clientele who tend to consist of those who can afford to have restrictions run forever.

353407 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #650 of 2161 🔗

Some will say this is cherry picking but how long can people keep saying “it would have been much worse without tighter restrictions”?

IM
@ianmSC

Deaths per million in California is up 505% since 9/25 when Florida moved into Phase 3 FL has had Disney World open, fans at football games, indoor & outdoor dining, bars & limited mask enforcement and is up 53% In a sane world, this would be the biggest story in the media

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1349114299025813504

353413 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Nobody2021, 10, #651 of 2161 🔗

Its like when people say the flu jab has reduced their symptoms, how do they know?

353426 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to DanClarke, 5, #652 of 2161 🔗

…because “the science” of course! 🙂

353428 ▶▶ John001, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #653 of 2161 🔗

To be fair California has had fewer deaths per capita than Florida and may be catching up. But it has a younger population than Florida (20% pensioners) or the UK (18%). All this is relevant. Good science is difficult, hence there’s a lot of bad science by people who are perhaps desperate for a result before a deadline and their funding runs out.

353597 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to John001, 1, #654 of 2161 🔗

I don’t think the cummulative deaths per capita is relevant to this.

If tighter restrictions were effective then the graph should not be steeper than for Florida. The argument that things would have been worse without them just doesn’t hold water.

353469 ▶▶ danny, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #655 of 2161 🔗

Unfortunately an entire population banning relatives from their homes, locking children out of school, effectively shutting down the health care system and wearing a space suit to visit Tesco, are never going to go “oops, got that one wrong”.
This will continue until there’s a fall guy. Then, similar to the Iraq War, everyone can hold up their hands and say they acted in good faith but were lied to.
Which I do think will come. There’s a reason Chris “cadaver” Whitty is fronting these aggressive ads and not Boris.

353410 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 11, #656 of 2161 🔗

Well it seems trashing viable efficient billion £ tax paying industries to protect a tax swallowing inefficient money pit NHS, is the way to go.

353414 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 1, #657 of 2161 🔗

At least you’re not in the twice-as-inefficient US.

353415 wantok87, replying to wantok87, 18, #658 of 2161 🔗

Whatever happened to scientific method. Null hypothesis, method ,experiment ,analysis of data and results with error rates? Any independent analysis of the evidence of mask wearing ,whether pro or anti is flawed because the experiments for transmission in the General Public with Covid has not been performed. The ridiculous obsession with masks is demonstrated with the screenshot of the Sky TV interview in the vaccine centre. Note the lack of “social distancing”and more importantly the arrowed nurse touching her mask in the nasal region. The opportunism of the “media scientist” such as Neil Ferguson to present observational data as fact is worrying but has been done many times previously. The concern now is how one narrative has become immutable – Wear masks,Save the NHS etc Sadly there is a silent forgotten generation who are being irreparably harmed by this obsession with control i.e Children under 11years,  Minimal risk of illness, not suitable for vaccine, blamed for ‘killing granny” ,not behaving and mixing with friends,,social and education destroyed because of a mantra to save the vulnerable elderly. As one in my 7th decade my fathers generation scarfed themselves so my generation and the modern day leaders could have their life. In the words of the Kohema Epoitaph “ For your tomorrow We gave our today” how selfish of our generation if we again once more expect others ie children and youth to sacrifice for us.

353417 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to wantok87, 10, #659 of 2161 🔗

I can’t hear what people say if they wear face masks

353446 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to wantok87, #660 of 2161 🔗

Looks like a good place to catch a virus to me.

353472 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to wantok87, 7, #661 of 2161 🔗

Yep, I’ve been trying (and failing) to explain to zealots the difference between Alchemy and the Empirical Scientific Method. The difference between Alchemy and the ESM is that with Alchemy you start with the result you want (ie gold) and you work to achieve that goal. With ESM you observe, measure and conclude.

What we have today is Alchemy with religious blind faith and if you don’t believe you’re a heretic. Science is has been destroyed and politicised. Science use to be about questioning and debate, all views were accepted until the evidence was so overwhelming the view became accepted theory, until then its hypothesis.

Shortly after Einstein released his Theory of Relativity there was a counter publication called “100 scientists against Einstein”. Einstein said they only needed one scientist to prove him wrong.

353512 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to wantok87, 4, #662 of 2161 🔗

It’s more nuanced as all these things are: What Ferguson is doing is Theoretical Science as he is a Theoretical Physicist. Climate Science is another such activity. They all have tacit assumptions and as long as the conclusions don’t extrapolate beyond their arguments then scientifically it’s fine.

The problem is applying such conclusions to the real world where the standards are empirical. And where the initial theoretical assumptions fail that test before you even start. So ideology is used to get round this.

This has always been an ethical issue. Do not apply theory to the real world without going through the tests and checks that other applications have to go through. But the minute you do it all falls apart.

So these hypocrites can eat and drink and drive around, all of which are made safe by following empircal principles, engineering standards, auditing standards, yet have the brass to think their theory and models are exempt

353424 fosterc, replying to fosterc, 10, #663 of 2161 🔗

I’ve been digging out the old Pink Floyd albums recently. It’s not a good sign.

So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from hell?
Blue skies from pain?
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?

Did they get you to trade
Your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
Did you exchange
A walk-on part in the war
For a leading role in a cage?

353458 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to fosterc, 3, #664 of 2161 🔗

I raise you this:-
I’ve got wild staring eyes.
And I’ve got a strong urge to fly.
But I got nowhere to fly to.

353474 ▶▶▶ fosterc, replying to FenTyger, 1, #665 of 2161 🔗

Fair do’s… like it was written for the time. I haven’t even got to Animals yet! That’s a goldmine.

353484 ▶▶ mj, replying to fosterc, 5, #666 of 2161 🔗

We dont need no education
We dont need no thought control

353511 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to mj, 2, #667 of 2161 🔗

“Eyes without a face

Got no human grace, your eyes

Without a face

Such a human waste

Your eyes without a face”

Billy Idol

353697 ▶▶▶▶ Brian Bond, replying to rockoman, 3, #668 of 2161 🔗

“Okay. Just a little pin-prick
There’ll be no more ‘aaaarrrrrggghhhh’
But you may feel a little sick”

353434 DanClarke, 15, #669 of 2161 🔗

Intelligent people now know its a big fat con, now its just what to do about it

353437 Brett_McS, 3, #670 of 2161 🔗

I can’t help thinking of Homer the Safety Officer: That’s … safe enough, Karl!

353443 RickH, replying to RickH, 7, #671 of 2161 🔗

Re.the ‘navigation’ parallel (above :

“… here seems to be a lack of any higher level ‘navigator’ ready to step in “

… or such has been replaced by a representative of the equipment manufacturer who wants you to believe that their hopelessly buggered navigational tools are presenting real data as the hull scrapes the rocks and the leaks increase.

353448 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to RickH, 4, #672 of 2161 🔗

Indeed. Always amused us when we encountered fellow sailors all relying solely on electronic equipment with no experience of traditional navigational tools.

353456 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to kh1485, 9, #673 of 2161 🔗

Actually – that parallel really holds good.

One of the basics of data analysis (parallel to looking outside the boat) that I was taught was ‘Use your f.ing eyes – if it doesn’t make sense, it probably isn’t sensible.’

353501 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to RickH, 1, #674 of 2161 🔗

Observation, a key component of any research.

353766 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 4, #675 of 2161 🔗

My friends’ daughter followed her satnav to a village pub where my friend celebrated her bday. When asked, which of the 2 possible routes she took, the A14 or the winding, hilly B route, she did not know.
She could probably could not find her way around her won house without a satnav now!

353445 Annh, 3, #676 of 2161 🔗

I remember reading this short story at school and the dystopian society seems depressingly familiar. https://www.tesd.net/cms/lib/PA01001259/Centricity/Domain/542/The%20Pedestrian%20by%20Ray%20Bradbury.pdf

353447 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 15, #677 of 2161 🔗

Years ago in a prog called Some Mother do ‘Ave ‘Em, Michael Crawford, in trying to fix the gas oven, blew up the house and with the explosion in the background, said ‘Well that seems to be all I can do’, I think of Mr H Cock, Mr Johnson and the cartel, that way.

353464 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 10, #678 of 2161 🔗

At least Frank Spencer was well-meaning.

353450 Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), 3, #679 of 2161 🔗
353461 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), 2, #680 of 2161 🔗

Omg we MUST all write in and declare the health claims and vaccine claims of the government to be harmful! We have ONS statistics to back us up.

353530 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #681 of 2161 🔗

Just like YouTube and their assertion that deleted videos contradict government and WHO advice about lockdown measures, even though WHO advice is clearly that lockdown measures should not be implemented.

353459 RickH, replying to RickH, 4, #682 of 2161 🔗

I note the Sweden bar-chart is still absolute (unadjusted) numbers.

This really underplays the normality of the mortality for the period.

353479 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to RickH, 5, #683 of 2161 🔗

https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom/status/1348923657754652672

He’s got a population adjusted one here.

353639 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Wolver, 2, #684 of 2161 🔗

Well done, Wolver.

It presents a very different picture!

353543 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -8, #685 of 2161 🔗

Rick, seeing your comment reminded me that you responded to a comment of mine last night on yesterdays blog.

Your comment actually reinforced my point that we were nowhere near herd immunity. You say you knew of no-one who had covid in your ‘wide’ circle of friends and acquaintances.

That was exactly my experience in spring. I knew no-one personally who’d had Covid. That’s exactly the reason why I doubted that there was a significant level of immunity across the country. I also suspected that only certain areas of London had had sufficient exposure (later proved to be correct).

As things currently stand, my son has been laid up for more than a week with Covid and my daughter’s partner has spent the last 3 days in bed with Covid (both tested positive). These are 2 very fit guys in their late 30s. All 5 of my nephews (aged 30 – 40) from the same family have suffered with Covid – some not too bad but one in particular still hasn’t recovered after 3 weeks. A cousin of theirs (similar age) was hospitalised with Covid…. and the list goes on. I know whole families who have the virus. (All were PCR positive – AND had symptoms)

All this leads me to believe that prior immunity is less common than Yeadon et al were claiming which, in turn, leads me to the reluctant conclusion that, while some individual regions may have immunity, there is a long way to go before the wider population have sufficient immunity to prevent major outbreaks,

353563 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mayo, 6, #686 of 2161 🔗

How can you be sure that this is not the flu when the PCR test is known to be deeply flawed?

And what does a person’s level of physical fitness have to do with it anyway?

it is not fatal for persons under 50 who do not have underlying serious health conditions.

I am quite sure that – whether they have covid or the flu – your relatives will recover soon.

BTW, I had the flu about twenty years ago at around this time of year – it’s the flu season. I felt like death for several days. Not nice.

353574 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 3, #687 of 2161 🔗

yes, seems to be an incredibly slow moving highly infectious disease

353687 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 5, #688 of 2161 🔗

I take your point, Mayo. But it tends to reinforce the problems surrounding subjective perceptions. I am entirely sympathetic to severe viral infection – I copped the 1957/8 flu as a healthy, active young lad – and I’ve never forgotten the experience.

But three weeks recovery or more is not at all unusual. I’ve had severe colds that have taken that long – or longer – in the last five years.

Which leads us to the underlying question of the crap state of objective data about Covid, and why we are forced back to all-cause mortality as the only reasonable signal about what is going on in terms of serious events (of which none are visible).

353760 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mayo, 5, #689 of 2161 🔗

If we are no where near herd immunity the virus cant be as contagious as they assert. You can’t have it both ways. Either its highly transmissible and it swept through the country & we’ve reached or close to herd immunity or it isn’t So we haven’t, because the data is pretty clear lockdowns haven’t worked.

353470 RickH, 9, #690 of 2161 🔗

There are plenty of mainstream scientists … who believe the harm caused by the lockdowns outweighs the harms they prevent.

Of course. And I think it’s possible that those on the governmental payroll and agenda are actually in the minority, since its hard for a real ‘scientist’ (in the root sense) to believe the propaganda.

353471 mr ben, replying to mr ben, 23, #691 of 2161 🔗

Just a thought from a mere pleb on why sceptics have not been able to gain traction with our arguments. But why have there not been more stories told of the collateral damage of lockdown?
A top rated comment Alison Pearsons article in DT today is from a lady called Penelope who has had delayed disastrous treatment for her breast cancer. She is not in a good way.
These kinds of stories need to be heard. The BBC wouldn’t hesitate to use them.
Another example which deeply affected me was James Delingpole telling in one of his podcasts of a letter he’d received from someone who’s son had committed suicide. James’ voice clearly cracked as he recalled it.

We are not monsters. We are people who care deeply for our society and our countrymen. Lockdowns are wicked. If we have to use emotion to prove it surely we should?

353503 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to mr ben, 9, #692 of 2161 🔗

People are too brainwashed and the media isn’t going to want to depress people with suicide statistics (all people that commit suicide are selfish remember) or economic forecasts, they’re happy keeping everyone in a constant state of fear because then people will do anything you ask of them.

It’s pretty hopeless. Because most people are selfish, fearful idiots, they won’t give a fuck about anyone else until something bad happens to them.

353523 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to mr ben, 12, #693 of 2161 🔗

My observation is that in general lockdown fanatics care only for their own health and well-being but are fortunate in being able to parade this as care for others. We on the other hand are not worried for ourselves (because we can do risk assessments!) but are deeply concerned about the implications for society and other people from the consequences of lockdown. For that we are branded as selfish. Utter insanity!

353547 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #694 of 2161 🔗

Yes. Their claim to care about other people is a lie. They’re just scared. They’d throw a child into a blast furnace if they thought it would protect them from the rona.

353680 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #695 of 2161 🔗

Most would defer the specifics to the power that protects them. Just as with every other ugly reflection of a loveless existence.
This ‘escape’ works as the shifting of blame under some claim of mitigation or self justification. The ‘power’ is then shaped by the unowned mind seeking to deny fear rather than face it.
If you can glimpse this you get a sense that we are generally living a coded reversal of reality that assigns Cause and Authority outside or external to a Self-denial.

“Everything is BACKWARDS; everything is upside down! Doctors destroy health, Lawyers destroy justice, Universities destroy knowledge, Governments destroy freedom, Major media destroys information, And religions destroy spirituality”. ~ Michael Ellner.

353738 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #696 of 2161 🔗

The best response I ever saw written on this forum, was the reply to someone who points a finger at you and accuses you of being “selfish” or “a granny-killer”.

It is to turn immediately around to that person and say, sneeringly, “I’m not selfish; you’re scared. ” Beautifully insulting and brief.

353607 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #697 of 2161 🔗

I think it’s more about the shaping of the narrative by propaganda. By definition, the wider picture is simply omitted. The costs are hidden.

353858 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #698 of 2161 🔗

Agree. They parade themselves as caring but its nothing of the sort – they’re looking after themselves and would rather everyone else be inconvenienced for their sake.

353636 ▶▶ Binra, replying to mr ben, 3, #699 of 2161 🔗

Firstly as I commented on this page already as “# thought experiment #” wealth as leverage buys the means for compliance or muting defiance.

Emotion does not prove anything. But a firmly communicated conviction can integrate a passionate conviction as a clearly recognisable presence. It is this quality of communication and relationship that is ‘under attack’ because it is shares the conditions in which lies can no longer mask as if true or valid as a basis from which to think, act or live.

We may note that the ‘narratives’ that serve the intent to shape and control our minds are given protection and nurture – regardless of veracity, while those that impede or obstruct such a ‘mindset’ are demonised, denied and attacked. If you should counter attack you will ‘prove’ that you are in fact the hateful thing this ‘Mob’ has marked you out as.
When hate and fear are triggerred and nurtured in otherwise ordinary people, you will see vicious and despicable behaviour.

To regain or reclaim our mind from fear-conditioning is not a popular movement. Most want to ‘make the bad thing go away’ and under extremity will sign up to almost anything if it ‘delivers them’ from what they have no readiness or willingness to face, own or move through and release. The mind is creative – but set in fear is its own ‘destructive’ – as illusion of ‘making new’ or resetting to tighter controls by means of choking, limiting, conflicting and normalising to fear, pain and loss.

Hence the human conditioning (verb) is generally regarded as The Human Condition (noun). Emotional disturbance is implicitly part of denial and controls set to make or break our lives as we then be-live them. There is all the difference between sympathy and compassion. Mind control profiles and target ‘sympathies’ to set a narrative ‘identity’ that masks as ‘virtue’. Compassion extends a recognition of another AS ourself. This is love – but not as love is socially masked and manipulated to conform and comply.

353473 Mark, replying to Mark, 19, #700 of 2161 🔗

Toby debating the Trump Twitter ban with Patrick Harvie, Co-Leader of the Scottish Greens”

The exchanges between hater Patrick Harvie (you can see the bitter hatred almost literally dripping off him as he drops his smear terms for the people who hold opinions he regards as unacceptable) and Toby Young is quite a nice summary of where we are now on liberty and the coercive imposition of radical ideology upon our society.

The usual absurd excuses about “forcing Amazon etc to carry opinions” that supposedly offend them, completely and doubtless intentionally missing the points about monopoly and about provision of neutral platforms. To understand the situation properly, however, you need to recognise where Harvie uses coded smear terms that seem to refer to genuinely nasty people and views, but are applied in practice to perfectly reasonable opinions and behaviours. This is how the systematic abuse of political correctness becomes tyranny.

basic standards of decency ” – compliance with dogmas that Harvie likes

conspiracy theories ” = opinions about the world that Harvie dislikes

organised violence ” = rowdy demonstrations that are for causes Harvie dislikes (only)

toxic movement built up by and around Donald Trump ” – Nasty “populism”, ie ideas Harvie dislikes that are popular and might win democratic support, if allowed to be expressed freely, especially when held by poor and underprivileged people of kinds Harvie despises.

far right ” – conservatives (ie not, in general, Conservatives)

racist “, “ transphobic “, “ homophobic ” – having views about these issues that don’t sufficiently kowtow to Harvie’s dogmas

climate denial ” – dissent from established dogma on climate, that Harvie dislikes because it argues against the “climate emergency” Harvie wants in order to justify the grossly illiberal and radical panic measures he wants to introduce for ulterior political and/or personal motives. There is a direct and very obvious parallel here with the coronapanic – also based on manipulative abuse of modelling – and the “covid denial” smear.

This is the key issue of the day, because if the radical left can successfully bed in legal and social suppression of dissent from its dogmas, then in the long run the only way out will be violence. The left used to understand that, but has of course conveniently forgotten it, now that it is trying on the jackboots for itself. Free speech means the freedom for others to express opinions you loathe, not just, as the likes of Harvie want it to be, opinions approved by the powerful.

Time to choose your side.

353500 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 6, #701 of 2161 🔗

if the radical left can successfully bed in legal and social suppression of dissent from its dogmas, then in the long run the only way out will be violence. The left used to understand that, but has of course conveniently forgotten it, now that it is trying on the jackboots for itself

And to understand how important and imminent this issue is, consider that point in conjunction with Glenn Greenwald’s recent observations:

One thing I think that we’re clearly seeing is the initiation of a new war on terror, which I don’t say lightly. I say that because the Biden administration …. is saying explicitly that they want first of all a new law to further criminalise “domestic terrorism” even though every act that constitutes domestic terrorism is already criminalised. What they want to do is increase their power to monitor political groups, to infiltrate them, to criminalise activities that currently are not criminalised, nor should they be, whether it be advocacy of speech or other things. They’re saying they want a new law, similar to the way that the 9/11 attack and the emotions surrounding it was instantly seized upon to institute a whole series of new laws that endure to this very day. Secondly, they are explicitly saying that they believe that domestic terrorism – so this war on terror is not going to be directed at foreign non-state actors or terrorist groups or foreign countries like China or Iran or Russia, it’s going to be directed inward – is the greatest threat to national security. And we’ve talked about this before, that this is what they’re likely going to do, because they have been focused for so long, media outlets have, the Democratic Party has, on Donald Trump and increasing fear levels about him. That’s been the key to their profits and their power. What will happen once he’s gone? Their strategy has always been clear: to inflate the risk of what they call “white supremacist terrorism”, which increasingly means nothing more than being a Trump supporter and then treating people in the United States who fall into that category the way you treat terrorists – you monitor them, you surveil them, you restrain them, you detain them. And this is what they’re saying explicitly, and the silicon valley component of this is particularly menacing.. .”

https://youtu.be/y8wMRBoQH88

Some on the left undoubtedly relish this prospect, seeing it as a chance to drive their political enemies into violent resistance and thereby justify the full use of the security state against them. Nobody should have any illusions about where that leads – armed resistance, military and police state repression, and civil war. Many on the left seem to think they are so dominant now that they could never lose in such a situation. But they wouldn’t be the first group to go into such a war full of overconfidence, only to lose. But collectively we would all be losers anyway, regardless of which side came out on top, or neither.

353580 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 7, #702 of 2161 🔗

Yet more noddy left/right politics, pushing scepticism into a political hole for a sectarian hobby-horse, whilst the Tory government gets away with it.

Just what is needed!

353536 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, 4, #703 of 2161 🔗

Great post, except for the last part, another tired old cliche :

“Time to choose your side.”

The Left want to divide you. There are no sides.

353550 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 4, #704 of 2161 🔗

Really? An issue without sides to it? That seems pretty unlikely.

Of course there are sides. Either you defend freedom of speech and conscience against the genuine threats it faces in our society, or you support no platforming, “hate speech” tyranny, and cancel culture. Those are the sides, in this context, and if you support one of the parties, or any group, that promotes the concept of “hate speech” and related tyrannies, and you join in the demonisation of those being actively excluded from the public square, then you are on the wrong side, and are part of the problem.

353578 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, 1, #705 of 2161 🔗

Mark, with respect, you need to study the right books to understand my point.

Division is a delusion.

Dividing people is what causes the word’s problems.

The Left loves to divide. It loves to say that “they” are bad, “they” are wrong.

Who is this “they”? Just another person walking the street.

I seem to recall that you said that you were “naturally pessimistic” a few days ago.

Again, this is a delusion Mark, but I daresay I am probably not going to reach you with this.

353601 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, #706 of 2161 🔗

The fence is broken down, the two sides will clash, you will have to make a choice, get crushed in the middle of a stamped or defend your values but the cracks in society are to wide to bridge the divide.

353664 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Anti_socialist, #707 of 2161 🔗

So long as you divide humanity into two you will find conflict.

353730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, #708 of 2161 🔗

Since before ‘ man ‘ started rubbing sticks together there’s been dividing views, its nature, its part of the human condition to discriminate & be prejudice, its called making decisions for survival.

I’m not looking for conflict, i’m looking to keep my freedom, spread your globalist love to the left that want to take my freedom. Freedom of speech is about being able to offend other people freedom of speech is measured by the bollocks you have to put up with listening to or reading which is why i’ve wasted time reading your liberal nonsense.

353647 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 1, #709 of 2161 🔗

I think I understand the point you are making here, but I think it is misapplied here. Choosing sides on an issue is not “dividing” people in that sense.

353673 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, #710 of 2161 🔗

It’s a tired cliche Mark, but as I said, it was the only fault I could find with your otherwise excellent post.

353678 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, #711 of 2161 🔗

Fair enough, and I appreciate the compliment, obviously.

353591 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, 1, #712 of 2161 🔗

The left want to destroy us, they aren’t interested in conversion or compromise they’ve tasted blood & like a ravenous shark, they’ve seen how ignoring reasonable debate & cancel culture has given them numerous feeding opportunities, there’s no stopping the feeding frenzy.

The UK is headed the same way as the US, the US is too divided now for reconciliation. Blood will be spilt in the US in the near future. And as much as i dislike trump it is the Clinton mafia to blame. Censorship & regulation will only make this situation worse.

353600 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #713 of 2161 🔗

There is no “us”.

We – however we decide to label ourselves: left/right, black/white, rich/poor – are one common humanity.

Conflict arises when one person points fingers at another person and says (in effect) “you are different to me!”

353605 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, #714 of 2161 🔗

A Liberal centrist pffft.

353657 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Anti_socialist, #715 of 2161 🔗

No, I’m conservative in my views, but I have liberal friends.

353742 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, #716 of 2161 🔗

Then defend your values & principles & stop trying to apease the people looking to destroy them, because once they’ve taken your ability to defend yourself & your freedom you wont ever get it back.

I don’t think you appreciate what’s at stake here.

354380 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Anti_socialist, #717 of 2161 🔗

In Blood Republic (novel published in 2016) US ends in civil war. Democrats vs Republicans no independents allowed.

353555 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 4, #718 of 2161 🔗

I wrote to numerous MPs when Scotlands hate (free) speech crime bill was in consultation. I explained to them despite how offensive my sensitive conservative nature found post modernist progressive ideology, that if we prevented the ability of free & open debate to express our beliefs, we would will only be left with violence to sort out our differences.

Only one MP bothered to reply mostly agreeing with me, but then ultimately asserting how we must address hate speech & how this bill will acheive that. I feel this is another battle lost and of course anything & everything can be deemed offensive to someone. We are entering very dark totalitarian times and its because of politicians not despite them, they aren’t listening to the people that vote for them because lobby groups like stonewall backed by globalist corporate money are buying their ear, so i can’t see any hope of averting this dangerous progression.

353585 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #719 of 2161 🔗

Yes, I agree that we are facing a very serious possibility of genuine disaster (even more than the coronapanic disaster we are currently putting ourselves through).

The concept of “hate speech” itself is toxic and dishonest, and designed to be abused. Those who promote it, and any its dogmatic manifestations from “racism” to “transphobia”, should be recognised for what they are – wannabe totalitarians, or dupes for such.

There was a place for opposing real, extreme and violent racism etc when those things were real (if rare) problems, but now these pc campaigns are primarily pretexts for repression, and are themselves the bigger problem, rather than what they claimed to oppose.

353566 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 3, #720 of 2161 🔗

When Narcissists smear, you can always be sure they are doing what they accuse others of, themselves

353475 Will, replying to Will, 1, #721 of 2161 🔗

Has anyone the UK mortality figures for the last twenty years? I can only find graphs and it is frustrating as hell.

353481 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Will, 1, #722 of 2161 🔗
353527 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #723 of 2161 🔗

Also remember that the population of the UK has risen considerably in the past twenty years!

353568 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), replying to John P, 2, #724 of 2161 🔗

And aged

353652 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), #725 of 2161 🔗

Good point.

353533 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Jo Starlin, #726 of 2161 🔗

I found that yesterday.

For 2019 I had to look at the individual websites:

England & Wales: 530,844

Scotland: 58,108

NI: 15,758

Total: 604,710

353538 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ossettian, 2, #727 of 2161 🔗

Yes it’s time consuming but you can add up the figures for the individual nations. One stat that jumped out at me was that nearly 74,000 people died in the UK in January 2018, a far worse figure than anything we’ve seen this year apart from April.

353583 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Will, #728 of 2161 🔗

Macrotrends has both graphs and figures.

353598 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, #729 of 2161 🔗

I have them for England and Wales since 1993 – after much pain extracting them from the ONS website, but I’m afraid I can’t find a way of posting the data.

353483 CapLlam, replying to CapLlam, 38, #730 of 2161 🔗

My shopping experience was very different in all the stores I visited. I dropped my daughter off at nursery and first went to Asda.
I don’t wear a mask due to a medical condition as it causes me distress.

The security guard there asked where my mask was and I told him that I was medically exempt so I don’t have to wear one. He asked for me exemption so I bowed him the official government one on my phone as per the government website
He said that it would let me in on this occasion but abut in future I would need a medical exemption certificate or an NHS exemption card (?)
I calmly explained to him that no it’s not the law for me to prove my disability or show any exemption of any kind. I quoted what was on the gov website at him but he said that the policy from tomorrow and that they won’t accept the sunflower lanyard or anything else as you can just buy them off the internet. He said anyone can just say they have asthma and get one.

I went in to the store and saw members of staff with the sunflower lanyard on, I got what I needed and left, vowing never to go back there

I subsequently went to Home Bargains , Aldi and Morrison’s and nobody said a word to me

I spoke to the deputy manager at Aldi as I shop there the most and she said that the company policy hasn’t changed for them and that it’s disgusting that Asda are implementing that policy . She also said that if masks work so well then why are the cases going up.

I’m going to write an email to the customers services dept at Asda about the blatant discrimination and include the links to the gov website

353495 ▶▶ Alias Margaret, replying to CapLlam, 8, #731 of 2161 🔗

So sorry about your unfortunate experience in Asda today CL. Please see my post below. It must depend upon the store manager and the training given to the Covid policers.

353510 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Alias Margaret, 7, #732 of 2161 🔗

Thanks I’ll take a look

I’ve shopped there for years and so have my parents. My mum and dad have said that they are going to stop going there now as well as my mum is profoundly deaf and can’t wear a mask either so she relies on me to help her do her shopping.

353569 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CapLlam, 1, #733 of 2161 🔗

I think you have to shop on your own these days.

353516 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to CapLlam, 6, #734 of 2161 🔗

I’ve found Home Bargains to pretty relaxed about things, I never even hear it over the speaker about masks or distancing.

353672 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #735 of 2161 🔗

Yes they are , I’ve never heard anything over any speakers there either.

353715 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to CapLlam, 4, #736 of 2161 🔗

Of course they don’t enforce anything in Home Bargains; look what sort of person shops there. When your customers come from a sector of society with nothing to lose, the staff rapidly learn to be selective in law “enforcement”.

354565 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RichardJames, #737 of 2161 🔗

You’d be surprised who you see in Home Bargains!

353627 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to CapLlam, 10, #738 of 2161 🔗

I would need a medical exemption certificate or an NHS exemption card (?)

I think Asda sell these, they’re on the same aisle as the Unicorn shit.

353708 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #739 of 2161 🔗

I went to Asda yesterday and was aggressively challenged at the door. However, when I aggressively showed my (standard) lanyard, which was hanging around my neck in plain view, he suddenly said “That’s alright my friend” and stood back to let me pass.

I hadn’t heard about the Bitch Patel and the Odious Hancock attempting to tighten the rules until I returned home, so it was a surprise to me. I suspect this is/was a simple act of “being seen to do something” which will diminish over time like it has on previous occasions (the one-way floor markings have been worn away in most supermarkets around here).

The rest of the staff were lovely, including the unmasked till assistant, who said “I can’t be doing with them things, I can’t wear one”.

Then again, it may have been the excessively-aggressive attitude that I displayed when I went in. YMMV?

P.S. Anyone who tries such an obvious lie as to deny the validity of my lanyard will pay for a new car.

353635 ▶▶ Annie, replying to CapLlam, 9, #740 of 2161 🔗

Simple question. If masks work so well then why are the cases going up?
Now that’s the sort of person who ought to be running the country.

353670 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Annie, #741 of 2161 🔗

Yes she should be along with everyone here ! The government are incompetent bunch of idiots

353650 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CapLlam, 5, #742 of 2161 🔗

Well done – challenge Asda then vote with your feet

There is no such a thing as being medically exempt – the Government guidance on face coverings (not just masks) refer to being exempt .

354127 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Victoria, #743 of 2161 🔗

Do I need a ‘certificate’ from my audiologist and optician as well to go with the one for my nasal and blood pressure problems? In my case it is the cumulative affect of several issues which make masks unwearable. I have tried, honestly.

353713 ▶▶ Simon, replying to CapLlam, 3, #744 of 2161 🔗

Write a letter asking them to explain their discrimination as you suggest.

Then when you get a standard reply, write back with a “Letter Before Action”. State it clearly at the top of the letter and set out the basis of a claim. Distress or anything they have caused.

Send all letters by recorded delivery.

Policies and people’s behaviour will be influenced by fines or compensation and sometimes, bad PR.

When they have written back confirming the challenge by the door guard, they’ve hung him too as you could try to pursue that individual too. Imagine how these people will change their attitudes when they think they are being sued.

353731 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Simon, 3, #745 of 2161 🔗

Just one correction. Recorded delivery is useelss and letters are not being signed for. Proof of postage, obtainable from any post office is all you need to prove that a letter has been received. Section 7 of the Interpretation Act 1978 refers.

References to service by post.

Where an Act authorises or requires any document to be served by post (whether the expression “serve” or the expression “give” or “send” or any other expression is used) then, unless the contrary intention appears, the service is deemed to be effected by properly addressing, pre-paying and posting a letter containing the document and, unless the contrary is proved , to have been effected at the time at which the letter would be delivered in the ordinary course of post.

To prove that a letter has not been received by the addressee is almost impossible. Handy also when dealing with the likes of the DVLA.

354358 ▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #746 of 2161 🔗

Richy, very good point.

353862 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CapLlam, 2, #747 of 2161 🔗

Very sorry about this and looks like Asda hasn’t learned from when they harassed that man with dementia months ago.

Makes me wish that they should have taken Asda to court and not accepted their apology.

353485 Julian, replying to Julian, 4, #748 of 2161 🔗

Does anyone have a link/source for hospital admission data?

I can find up to date stuff that’s directly related to covid (of course) but what I really want to see if all-cause admissions/ICU admissions for any reason, and compare to same period in previous years

My MP is quoting stats at me about very rapid increases in admissions but she probably means covid admissions as that seems to be the only thing the NHS management or govt care about now

353594 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Julian, 3, #749 of 2161 🔗

I guess you’ve seen these?:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

The reports give you non-covid occupancy, but not admissions sadly.

An interesting comment on the website though:

Note for 2020-21 data

Hospital capacity has had to be organised in new ways as a result of the pandemic to treat Covid and non-Covid patients separately and safely in meeting the enhanced Infection Prevention Control measures. This results in beds and staff being deployed differently from in previous years in both emergency and elective settings within the hospital. As a result caution should be exercised in comparing overall occupancy rates between this year and previous years. In general hospitals will experience capacity pressures at lower overall occupancy rates than would previously have been the case.

Which essentially means, that they have less capacity than before covid. What a wonderful healthcare system we have.

353637 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, #750 of 2161 🔗

Thanks

I wonder if anyone has these figures or if they have been conveniently suppressed

354453 ▶▶ Coronabonus, replying to Julian, 1, #751 of 2161 🔗

ICNARC report on ICU admissions and outcomes. This page covers the last ten years.

https://onlinereports.icnarc.org/Reports/Index

353486 mr ben, replying to mr ben, 7, #752 of 2161 🔗

Another thing, are any other healthcare systems in other countries on the brink of collapse? Or it just ours?

353491 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to mr ben, 1, #753 of 2161 🔗

Same story running in most places.

353506 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to mr ben, 1, #754 of 2161 🔗

The government incompetence is the same around the world!

353560 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to TheClone, 4, #755 of 2161 🔗

It really is just one blunder after another.

I am about to write an extremely rude letter to my MP.

I have never been so cross in all my life.

353494 mr ben, replying to mr ben, 49, #756 of 2161 🔗

From DT:
penelope simpson
12 Jan 2021 8:08PM

I had my left breast removed on Dec 30 after a 7 day fight to get a hospital bed. I was kicked out at 1900 the next day and the friend collecting me up was warned that she would be breaking the law by taking me from a Tier 4 into a Tier 3 area.

Surgical drain burst in night. No ambulances. District nurses would not come out because I had moved between tiers.

These people know no humanity.

353498 ▶▶ mr ben, replying to mr ben, 17, #757 of 2161 🔗

Carmichael @penelope simpson

Appreciate thoughts but no, not good. Went to get pathology report yesterday and was told there was Covid in the lab so no results.]

Consultants obviously raised hell so got results on phone this afternoon. I have Stage 3 which is most invasive and its got in the lymph nodes. This should and would have been detected at mammogram in March if Hancock hadnt cancelled all treatment.
Now I have to fight for an appointment to see the oncologist and a place in chemotherapy. I wonder if it is worth it.

353525 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to mr ben, 28, #758 of 2161 🔗

My friend was diagnosed with a rare and aggressive cancer in March. Purely because of a 5 month delay in surgery she is now terminal. She cannot even visit relatives or the places she loves whilst well enough to do so. Cancer is terrible at any time (I had bc 5 years ago) but now it is horrendous. All the tests I was told were ‘vital’ in previous years are now cancelled. 1 in 2 will get cancer and all ages are affected but people are more afraid of something that affects few and kills less than 1%. People are finding out on diagnosis that they are terminal as GP referrals have fallen massively and many don’t find out until too late. It’s murder.

353608 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mutineer, 11, #759 of 2161 🔗

If you prioritise people who *might* get something – which they will very likely survive – over people who almost certainly will die, you must want people to die.

353528 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to mr ben, 22, #760 of 2161 🔗

How can any human being do this to another, just how?

353662 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to kh1485, 22, #761 of 2161 🔗

Exactly, but it is us sceptics who are told over and over again that we are uncaring granny killers. The cognitive dissonance is truly unbelievable. I had yet another row with hubby last night, as he basically said I was being uncaring about the elderly and people with older parents wouldn’t understand my point of view. Why the hell are some people blind to the fact that lockdowns are causing much more harm than bloody covid?. I am worried about my son, he is unable to work due to lockdown unlike all his friends, he is single and getting very down. He is just one among many who are suffering greatly, just so an old person can have another few months of misery in this shitty country.

353683 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Hellonearth, 9, #762 of 2161 🔗

Really sorry to read this. I guess the trouble is that MSM is not reporting the huge collateral damage so the masses aren’t aware. They are as complicit in this as the government.

353797 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to kh1485, 6, #763 of 2161 🔗

Absolutely! We have been told that ignorance of the law or the covid rules is not an excuse.. I now feel that ignorance of what is being done to us without having done any research into it, accepting jabs without checking what is being put into you is complicity of the worst kind. Most people have access to the internet (or even just Talk radio) to find out what’s going on – their failure to bother is staggering and means it is so much harder for people who have doubts ..

354387 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to kh1485, #764 of 2161 🔗

no empathy

353529 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to mr ben, 10, #765 of 2161 🔗

So sorry as well to hear of this appalling treatment. I used to work in oncology and am ashamed of the lack of care now.

353640 ▶▶ Annie, replying to mr ben, 6, #766 of 2161 🔗

Now clap them.

353502 Binra, replying to Binra, 9, #767 of 2161 🔗

# Thought Experiment #

Without backing from extremely powerful and wealthy interests how much of any of the covid operation would or could have stood?

Without such unspoken and largely unreported backing, how differently would critical opposition have mobilised to hold deceitful intent to account and destructive behaviour in check?

How much is a process of intended incentivisation via psychological conditioning to normalise chaos as the condition for totalitarian control/subjection the leveraging of wealth and power as funded leverage? So as to mask in helplessness and incompetence seeking clarity – when it is working as deliberate disinformation of obfuscation and delay?

Be sure it is not wealth that is accountable here but the narrative of its focus and use for leveraging masked agenda rather than fulfilling openly accepted need and desire.

The ‘Economic Hit Man’ is the ‘offer you cant refuse’ in the sense of backroom criminal coercion, spelled out or insinuated to the understanding of ‘incentives’ imposed as ‘choice’. Carney indicates a more open assurance of ‘power’ in the declaration that if you do not comply with the ‘Green New Deal’ (sic), you WILL go out of business.

Banking and financial controls ultimately operate a choke or a flow of life support. This market capture as a masked and systemic bias expands and extends to likewise control energy dependence and supply, medical dependence and supply and so on as a broad spectrum dominance of dependence and supply on a corporate dominance that is itself hostage to legal and financial ‘leveraging’ by a weaponised ‘law’.

I expect that those who believe they are in control of the world are compelled to attempt to do so, under the model of the world that they are wilfully ‘locked into’ that distances or dissociates them from a truly felt fully human reality. This dissociation or cognitive dissonance is simply evident as ‘mind capture’ in the hollow parody of life being presented as ‘authority’ of either scientific and reasoned evaluations or morally justified imperatives.

Our lack of capacity to recognise, articulate and communicate truth effectively is itself a result of a long term degradation and depreciation of consciousness by means of a capture and framing of educational dependency and supply.

I see that we are framed in dilemma from which we cannot escape except by…
This post continues on:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/thought-experiment.html

353542 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Binra, 2, #768 of 2161 🔗

That is a great blog article.

Thanks for linking.

353513 alw, replying to alw, 21, #769 of 2161 🔗

“Cressida Dick calls for law limiting exercise travel Police fear lockdown loopholes are hurting compliance.”

Her surname explains it all. Trying to define local would increase even more loopholes. I do despair.

353526 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to alw, 11, #770 of 2161 🔗

She’s a real piece of work that one, wouldn’t look out of place in a Nazi uniform.

353663 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 8, #771 of 2161 🔗

They wouldn’t have her as she is a fanny basher
Neither would the Soviets come to think of it – v strange how the current crop of marxists excuse the homophobia of their brethren

353669 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 3, #772 of 2161 🔗

Excellent name, you are going to get an automatic uptick from me whatever you post.

353699 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #773 of 2161 🔗

Lol, thanks. I couldn’t resist the urge to celebrate the overt stupidity of our glorious leader.

353545 ▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, 11, #774 of 2161 🔗

I remember a member of a specialist armed police unit who was in London at the time of the Jean Charles de Menezes incident being massively scathing about the leadership from Dick.

… since when she has risen without friction.

353554 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to RickH, 2, #775 of 2161 🔗

Didn’t she absent herself in the toilet at the critical moment?

353900 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 2, #776 of 2161 🔗

She was the commander in charge that day.Nothing stops your rise these days if you have the right characteristics and right opinions.
Ability doesn’t come into it.

353515 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 31, #777 of 2161 🔗

BBC

Breaking News

Chinese Human Rights Delegation arrives in London to begin it’s investigation

At a London Press Conference the leader of the delegation Chew Mi Lip announced

‘We are here to investigate allegations of human rights abuses including detention without trial, internal exile, withdrawal of medical treatment, and physical abuse of the population by the state

We are particularly concerned about the abuse of the disabled and women

The disabled are now being denied food and water and women are being attacked and beaten by the police for being seen in public

At the conclusion of our investigation we may apply to the UN for the attacks on the civilian population to be officially declared a war

We hope that such a declaration may afford the civil population rights under the Geneva Convention that are not currently available to them’

353624 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Cecil B, 2, #778 of 2161 🔗

I read that and thought F’in hell, but then saw it was you Cecil. Ok you got me.

354012 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 1, #779 of 2161 🔗

Excellent as always, Cecil.

I would give an extra uptick for “Chew Mi Lip” if I could. 😉

354946 ▶▶ zubin, replying to Cecil B, #780 of 2161 🔗

You are brilliant

353522 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #781 of 2161 🔗

“First care home to receive vaccine in Scotland hit with new Covid outbreak
Experts say the outbreak proves the vaccine is not enough to end the pandemic on its own.”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/first-care-home-receive-vaccine-23291707

‘On its own’- at all?

353561 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basics, 3, #782 of 2161 🔗

The article says the care home vaccinations occurred on 14 December 2020, but does not say when the Covid 19 outbreak started, which suggests (to me) that it was this year, ie, after the so called vaccine is supposed to have conferred protection.

353575 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #783 of 2161 🔗

Either offers no protection or was a contributory factor to the deaths.

353724 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 4, #784 of 2161 🔗

It’s only is designed to reduce the symptoms, that’s all the data shows. The reporter clearly, like so many others, have decided that it means immunity from infection. Glad people are informing themselves well on this topic. Given its importance.

353765 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #785 of 2161 🔗

Precisely

353800 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basics, 2, #786 of 2161 🔗

Same happening in Germany. National MSM do not report it, but local newspapers. Apparently the was one district in NRW which saw 22 elderly people die in one day! Many of them in care homes and had been vaccinated a few days before.

353888 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Silke David, 1, #787 of 2161 🔗

So if the virus doesn’t see off the elderly, sounds as though the vaxx certainly will. Sounds rather worrying to be honest as there have been a few reports of deaths/illness after the vaxx.

353966 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Basics, #788 of 2161 🔗

What they found in Israel was that 100 or so who had the jab got Covid when they previously had not had it!! More like create a further epidemic.

353537 Steve Hayes, 15, #789 of 2161 🔗

Life expectancy is 81.
Average age of coronavirus related death is 82.4.
“If you don’t stay at home, people will die,” says your caring, compassion government. “And if you don’t, we will oppress you and set the mob on you. Stay safe.”

353556 Felice, replying to Felice, 35, #790 of 2161 🔗

Continuing on my tour of supermarkets, unmasked.

Today it was Morrison’s turn.

Young man at the door asked nicely if I had a mask or was I exempt.
Exempt, I said, revealing a bit of sunflower lanyard ribbon.
Please could you wear that outside your jacket, so that I can see it properly, he says.

So I pull the whole thing out and show it what it says – I hvae a hidden disability. And I tell him that I would much rather keep it that way – hidden, because it is deeply personal, and that it causes me great distress to be continually reminded about it.

As I was starting to get upset, I think that gave him something to think about.

353654 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Felice, 4, #791 of 2161 🔗

This is how we win

353559 peter-, replying to peter-, 8, #792 of 2161 🔗

Another flip flop from Gormless Gavin on GCSE and A Level exams, seems kids will have to sit these now. Incomprehensible how people as incapable as him are employed by anyone at all, the stress on kids and their parents is unimaginable and yet they carry on regardless.

353643 ▶▶ Annie, replying to peter-, 1, #793 of 2161 🔗

Yer what? God, it’s more on and off than Lupin Pooter’s engagement to Daisy Mutlar.

353674 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Annie, #794 of 2161 🔗

Apparently he “wants to explore the option”. Why on Earth would he announce this publicly before a decision is made…just more torture for the kids.

353733 ▶▶ RickH, replying to peter-, 3, #795 of 2161 🔗

how people as incapable as him are employed by anyone at all”

I think this has been noted as a characteristic of the entire Cabinet.

354058 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to RickH, #796 of 2161 🔗

Naturally but he does seem especially idiotic, even for the current cabinet.

353958 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to peter-, #797 of 2161 🔗

Yep. He’s not known as Private Pike for nothing!! From his time as Defence Secretary.

354059 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Jo Dominich, #798 of 2161 🔗

Ha ha, remember that one coming out!

353562 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #799 of 2161 🔗

Is everything that’s happening inevitable?

Imagine if a group of humans were given the chance to start civilisation again from scratch. They have free reign on all aspects of how they want to live.

Regardless of what they choose some things will likely remain a constant. Most notably how they respond to adverse events.

Over time all the inherent risks of life will befall them. Each time something happens they will likely put in controls to try and prevent it happening again or to avoid it.

So the question is, are we destined to arrive at roughly the same point regardless of our starting position?

353625 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #800 of 2161 🔗

Possibly. But the main problem with covid is not so much being overly risk-averse (though this doesn’t help) but simply not understanding what the actual risks are, a lot of which has been deliberate on the part of govts

If people had been relentlessly told the risk to most was small, they wouldn’t have gone so mad

353668 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Julian, 2, #801 of 2161 🔗

Agreed, but the emphasis on safetyism inevitably leads to overreacting at some point. It just happens to be Covid in this instance but it will happen again in future I’m sure.

354452 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, #802 of 2161 🔗

Whitty spent months saying how tiny the risk is; even repeating this position after the 23 March lockdown measures were introduced.

353565 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 22, #803 of 2161 🔗

I emailed Sainsbury’s after the news about them “banning” maskless shoppers. I asked about exemptions and whether the staff will still be aware of this. I received the below reply:

Thank you for your recent email addressed to our Group CEO, Simon Roberts. I have been asked to respond accordingly.

I can confirm that going forward we will still follow the exemption laws and our instore colleagues are fully aware of this . Our greeters will ask the question to those who are not wearing a face covering, and we have plenty available for customer’s that do forget. We will continue to use our tannoy for regular announcements to ensure all customers are following our policy accordingly which will still include that we respect other shoppers who are exempt from face coverings .

I must assure you that our customer and colleague safety is of highest priority and we are doing all we can to ensure our customers are kept safe when shopping.

I do hope the above gives your reassurances and clarity and if I can be of any future assistance, I welcome you to contact me on the below details.

With best regards

I imagine the government spoke to certain supermarkets and said, in more official words than I’ll write no doubt, “we need to make a bit of fuss about face masks. Would you be able to announce that you’re banning maskless shoppers from your shops? Obviously nothing will actually change, though. Thanks.”

A few people already said to me yesterday “oh no, I saw they’re banning face masks, I guess you’ll have to wear one now” or “I guess you’ll have to do online shopping now”. I had to explain that they’d been suckered in and nothing had changed, so I guess the headline worked.

353646 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to John Galt, 4, #804 of 2161 🔗

Either that, or Morrisons saw an opportunity to poach a few customers called Karen from competitors. Of course they were all forced to copy each other in order to retain Karen. All PR.

353651 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to John Galt, 2, #805 of 2161 🔗

All part of the psyops

353681 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to zacaway, #806 of 2161 🔗

And now banks are doing the same.

353739 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to zacaway, 2, #807 of 2161 🔗

Yes, exactly. We’ll await the inevitable “man removed from store for not wearing face mask” story within a few days, that a few days after that will be quietly apologised for by the police.

354632 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to John Galt, 1, #808 of 2161 🔗

I imagine your words were pretty much what Boris said to Lord Sainsbury or whoever the fuck it is running that super marshit.

Their pineapples are a fucking disgrace.

353567 alw, replying to alw, 4, #809 of 2161 🔗

Boris and co trying to fiddle the statistics again. Why isn’t this big news?

353572 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to alw, 2, #810 of 2161 🔗

Is that right about the change to 60 days?

353615 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #811 of 2161 🔗

The gov. coronavirus website, has been displaying graphs for both 28 and 60 days for a few months now.It only displays 28 days for the UK as a whole but 28 and 60 days for the regions.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England

353988 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jonny S., 1, #812 of 2161 🔗

This is correct. 🙂

As everyone on here knows, I collect these numbers every day. I also watch (like a hawk) for any changes they make to definitions, etc . This change has been around for a long time.

353691 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #813 of 2161 🔗
353582 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to alw, 2, #814 of 2161 🔗

Could you post a source for this? I think it’s incorrect. I can’t find anything that states this and the gov website still states 28 days:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

353595 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to John Galt, 1, #815 of 2161 🔗
353596 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to John Galt, #816 of 2161 🔗

From James Delingpole’s Twitter account.

https://twitter.com/JamesDelingpole

353805 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John Galt, #818 of 2161 🔗

Still says 28 days here too.

353613 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to alw, 2, #819 of 2161 🔗

This was the change in August (I think) following Carl Heneghan’s work on counting methodology that led to a review:
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3220

So nothing new.

353617 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to alw, #820 of 2161 🔗

I see where he’s got it from now, but this happened in August.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-wide-methodology-agreed-to-record-covid-19-deaths

In England, a new weekly set of figures will also be published, showing the number of deaths that occur within 60 days of a positive test. Deaths that occur after 60 days will also be added to this figure if COVID-19 appears on the death certificate. This will provide an additional measure of the impact of the disease over time.

If you look at the other link I posted they break it down by “Deaths within 28 days of positive test” and “Deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate”. The latter has 6,000 more deaths, but the “official” figure seems to be the former. Though I don’t watch the news so I don’t know what they report.

353570 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #821 of 2161 🔗

https://aletheia-scimed.ch/IMG/pdf/eingabe_br_schweiz_24-12-2020.pdf

A group in Switzerland,Austria and Germany has produced this impressive pdf in German but all tables are easy to read from Euro stat. The most impressive is to see the death rate in different age groups this year compared to the previous years. The recommendation. Stop all restrictions now.
It should be translated to English ASAP

353808 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to swedenborg, 1, #822 of 2161 🔗

I took a quick look if I could translate it, it is 64 pages!
Ok, so many graphs, but still. Will have a look later to maybe get a summary.

353905 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Silke David, 1, #823 of 2161 🔗

This is a Google translate of the first two pages
The following analyzes and suggestions are intended to help improve the current situation regarding Covid-19.
The aim of the authors is to put the relevant epidemic indicators (number of cases; deaths; hospital capacities) in an appropriate context and thus enable a constructive dialogue on an objective basis.
Several experts from the fields of statistics / mathematics, medicine and law have been working together for this purpose for months.

A. Importance of the number of cases
According to the FOPH situation report, 29,023 new cases with a positive PCR test were recorded in the 50th week out of a cumulative total of 384,550 cases. This corresponds to 4.47% of the population of 8,606,033. A total of 3,095,612 tests (= 36% of the population) were carried out. The following graphic illustrates the increase in the number of cases with the increase in the number of tests performed
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Of the total number of test positives (462,623), a total of 16,458 people have been hospitalized since February 24, 2020, i.e. 3.56% of the people who tested positive
When the federal and cantonal governments determine and announce new measures, it is noticeable that the number of cases used is the primary basis for decision-making. These are people who tested positive without any further information on the specific state of health of the people.
Based on numerous direct observations from medical practice as well as from international studies, the following findings emerge with regard to the measured variable “case numbers”:
The test results on their own do not provide a sufficiently reliable data basis on the question of whether the people who tested positive are actually sick, whether they are contagious and, if so, how serious. The WHO warns of this widespread error in its latest Information Notice for IVD Users of December 14, 2020.3 According to the WHO, the clinical diagnosis, the patient’s history and the manufacturer’s information on the particularities of the respective test procedure must always be taken into account in each individual case. This is still not taken into account in Switzerland today.
The correct application of the numerous types of PCR test used in Switzerland is still not subject to any effective quality control. This concerns the following points:
– Ct [Cycle Threshold] cut-off value (= number of doubling cycles until the result is positive): Taking into account the current state of science, this should not exceed 25.4 The RKI recommends limiting the maximum to 30 cycles. In Switzerland, most laboratories go up to 40 and many up to 45 cycles. This explains the significantly higher positivity rate compared to Germany.
– Multiple reports from people who tested positive several times are the order of the day throughout Switzerland;
– The content and quality of the primer in the various test procedures is not standardized. Numerous test methods also show less than 3 RNA sequences, which has been shown to lead to great inaccuracies.
– The temperature level is not subject to any uniform specification and control, but it can have a considerable influence on the amplification process.
Unfortunately, due to the lack of uniform standards, it is not sufficiently guaranteed that the tests are carried out with uniform measurement quality throughout Switzerland.
Overall, there is no effective quality control or supervision over testing in practice.
For these reasons, it is not appropriate to use the test results as an immediately prejudicial basis for far-reaching measures.

353912 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #824 of 2161 🔗

Page 3:

recommendations
– Uniform quality control and effective oversight of the correct application of the test procedures is essential, given the far-reaching implications of the decisions made;
– In particular, the Ct cut-off value should be limited immediately to a maximum of 25 cycles.
– The reports from the laboratories to the treating physicians and to the FOPH should also include the respective Ct cut-off value (number of amplification cycles until the result is positive).
– Multiple counts of people who tested positive several times are to be excluded.
As long as this is not guaranteed, with the current state of science and based on the clear indications of the WHO, we see the danger that the risk of Covid-19 for public health is not methodologically correctly determined and is perceived as being exaggerated. This could lead to a continued strong overreaction of the state and accordingly result in extensive state liability suits.
In particular R-value:
With effect from December 22, 2020, the so-called R-value (reproduction factor or number) was officially set down in the ordinance of the Federal Council Special Situation (SR 818.101.26) as a general standard for tightening or relaxing measures in the cantons Questions such as the duration and extent of business closures in entire industries and the associated consequences (potential: increase in bankruptcies; public spending; number of unemployed and welfare recipients, etc.) were made directly dependent on an abstract formula for the first time.
According to the federal Covid-19 Task Force, the R-value indicates how many people an infected person infects on average.6 The current values ​​are provided and visualized daily by a research team from ETH Zurich.7 The formula on which the calculation is based unknown. A check of the R-value is not possible for the citizen or the interested expert.
The greatest deficiency of the R value, however, is that there are no effective limits to manipulating this value. On the one hand, essential parameters for determining the number of cases are not regulated, as already shown above under A.: The Ct value should be a maximum of 25, not 45; clinical diagnoses are lacking; Multiple counts should be excluded. On the other hand, the R-value can be increased as the test activity increases.
In view of the far-reaching consequences that are directly associated with the R-value, this type of automated decision-making basis cannot be reconciled with the scientific and constitutional quality standards of Switzerland. The R-value should therefore be abandoned immediately as a decision criterion that can be applied immediately, in favor of a verifiable, evidence- and diagnosis-based overall view.

353576 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 5, #825 of 2161 🔗

While on the topic of Covidiot Passports….

353816 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to FerdIII, 3, #826 of 2161 🔗

Well, some people will misunderstand this and want vaccines for the other listed illnesses as well. Just proves how bad our education system is.

353577 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #827 of 2161 🔗

It has been claimed (or observed) that:-

The concept of significant asymptomatic spread was believed to be a novel and unique feature of SARS-CoV-2 based on several studies performed in China. Multiple studies from other countries could not find any transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from asymptomatic individuals.*

Why pray then hasn’t HMG conducted an experiment in to see if the Chinese have got this right? I’d volunteer to take part.

Land a hundred Covid free people on St. Kilda with a hundred who are asymptomatic and see how the Covid free got on.

The experiment wouldn’t cost more than a few million to undertake, a piddly fraction of the billions (yes, it is billions) spent trying to chase up people who’ve come in to close proximity with someone who is asymptomatic. Be nice to know if that money was being well spent. (Plus, I’d quite like to go back to St. Kilda]

* https://ccpgloballockdownfraud.medium.com/the-chinese-communist-partys-global-lockdown-fraud-88e1a7286c2b

353610 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #828 of 2161 🔗

Hand in air to go to St Kilda’s, anywhere where, and I quote, grab a Fulmar and eat it like a packet of crisps, is ok by me.

353630 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Basics, 2, #829 of 2161 🔗

I’d be up for St Kilda’s as long as it was independent from Wee nippy

353648 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #830 of 2161 🔗

Can it be argued geologically that anything west of Harris belongs to Newfoundland?

353703 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Basics, #831 of 2161 🔗

The Corona Moaners would chase us all the way to Rockall

353684 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Basics, 1, #832 of 2161 🔗

Fulmar have some very nasty habits, like projectile vomiting. I don’t advise grabbing one.

353763 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #833 of 2161 🔗

Apparently they were all sockless on the cliffs grabbing Fulmars in their thousands for sustenance. Not your small cliffs mind you, hairy big cliffs. Fulmar was a staple. A different world on St Kilda. Bigger Wrens too!

353812 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Basics, 2, #834 of 2161 🔗

Yes St Kilda was probably the first & only true example of communism i’e. an egalitarian community. But it failed as all socialist endeavours do. They practically ran out of food, they started poisoning themselves with lead poisoning from their crops. Like all heartless socialists instead of taking their dogs with them when they finally left the island they threw them off a cliff to their death.

353644 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ned of the Hills, #835 of 2161 🔗

I,d volunteer like a shot.

353658 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Ned of the Hills, #836 of 2161 🔗

St.Kilda sounds great I am up for it…all expenses paid of course.And an option to stay there…….

353579 Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), 5, #837 of 2161 🔗

It seems the country may be in for quite a bit of snow in about 10 days time – then we are truly fucked!

353659 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), 1, #838 of 2161 🔗

I wish – we get lots of predictions for snow that never come

353835 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to steve_w, #839 of 2161 🔗

Remember snowball fights are now illegal
if that reality doesn’t wake anyone up then we have no chance

353581 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 7, #840 of 2161 🔗

I have a number of civil servants in my family and we’ve chatted on the phone. And whether its the job, where they never instigate any thing themselves so any critical thinking is buried, plus the (so far) income security, but they really do have a head buried in the sand attitude…. “Yes, its a shambles, a disgrace, blah blah, but we’ll just have to wait and see what happens”

353696 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DanClarke, 4, #841 of 2161 🔗

“Well what can you do”

353587 alw, replying to alw, 9, #842 of 2161 🔗

Surge in domestic child abuse which is truly shocking and yet they go for more lockdowns and increase the harms even more 😭 😭 😭

353621 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 2, #843 of 2161 🔗

Shocking!!

353631 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to alw, 5, #844 of 2161 🔗

Horrifying.

As we all know the government really cares about child abuse, they would never cover up such a thing or allow people like Sir Jimmy Saville to get knighted. Most people would rather look the other way instead of coming to terms with the fact that many people in the public life might be nonces (like those P.I.E sickos).

Denying children an education, not allowing them to meet other people (and in some cases never actually meeting any of their relatives for their entire life) and everyone going around with a piece of tissue glued to their face counts as child abuse in my opinion. In which case, most of us are guilty.

353728 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #845 of 2161 🔗

Starmer is up to his neck in Saville shit as well…

354588 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Will, #846 of 2161 🔗

And the grooming gangs.

353665 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to alw, 5, #847 of 2161 🔗

The fallout from a vast and vile campaign of psychological torture unleashed on the entire nation. We’ll be dealing with the consequences of this for years to come.

353716 ▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, 3, #848 of 2161 🔗

… and then there is the institutionalised child abuse posed by masks and denial of schooling.

353588 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #849 of 2161 🔗

It’s official – I am a Covidiot.

Britain’s top police officer, Dame Cressida Dick, said yesterday that it’s “preposterous” to suggest some people are not aware of what the lockdown laws now tell them to do.

The BBC have produced a handy little quiz to find out how much you know about the lockdown laws (and collect data at the same time no doubt). Give it a go!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55639456

353614 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to godowneasy, 3, #850 of 2161 🔗

Wow that is so nasty. It just shouts “covidiot” at you if as I did you get a low score. A bit like a punch in the gut.

353761 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Dan L, 1, #851 of 2161 🔗

I would be ashamed of myself if I got a high score, with the 300 plus SI issued, it would mean I had been paying attention and gave a damn.

353620 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to godowneasy, 2, #852 of 2161 🔗

Yes, to see how their brainwashing is working on the general public.

353623 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to godowneasy, 3, #853 of 2161 🔗

Sorry, also meant to say…it would be marvellous if the police could actually follow the rules, laws, advice, guidance…correctly too!

353634 ▶▶ Basics, replying to godowneasy, 1, #854 of 2161 🔗

When you say ‘top’….

353645 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to godowneasy, 3, #855 of 2161 🔗

Wow.. I’m going out to find a bench to sit on, might even take a thermos of tea with me.

353671 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to godowneasy, 2, #856 of 2161 🔗

Me too. Same badge of honour as continually failing Sociology ‘O’ Level … highly gratifying.

353589 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #857 of 2161 🔗

Italy mandated outdoor face masks on October 20. Here is the result. (It says “cases” – it means “positive test results”)

Yeah but no but yeah but no but it would have been ten times worse if they hadn’t.

There’s no convincing covidiots, but we can keep ourselves sane.

353629 ▶▶ Basics, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #858 of 2161 🔗

That graphic made me laugh. What does they suppose accounts for the bend in trajectory. It looks to me very much like a shuttle launch doing a roll onto back ten seconds into launch before boosters separate.

Isn’t it all plain nonsense. There’s a plague on don’t you know.

353592 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 22, #859 of 2161 🔗

Are we really expected to put faith anything Nadhim Zahawi says regarding vaccine passports when govt have already indicated that people who have been vaccinated are being offered immunity passports as proof of vaccination?

After all the lies, smears and tyrannical behaviour of this govt and its current war on anti-maskers and people in general wishing to get on with their lives and feed their families why would anyone believe anything eminating from No. 10?

353604 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 9, #860 of 2161 🔗

Never Believe Anything Until Officially Denied

353655 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #861 of 2161 🔗

Trouble is loads of them hang on their every last word, coming back over and over for more slaps in the face. They seem to bloody love it.

353798 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #862 of 2161 🔗

Except they aren’t being offered any such thing. My father has been vaccinated and he’s not been offered anything like that.

353593 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #863 of 2161 🔗

Just published CDC,another important reminder that even lacking antibodies after infection has T cells immunity.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/1/20-3772_article

Cellular Immunity in COVID-19 Convalescents with PCR-Confirmed Infection but with Undetectable SARS-CoV-2–Specific IgG

78% of PCR-positive volunteers with undetectable antibodies showed T cell immunity against SARS-CoV-2. We observed a similar frequency (80%) of T-cell immunity in convalescent donors with strong antibody responses but did not detect immunity in negative controls. We concluded that, in convalescent patients with undetectable SARS-CoV-2 IgG, immunity may be mediated through T cells.

353602 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to swedenborg, 11, #864 of 2161 🔗

Another argument from months ago where those highlighting T cell immunity were accused of fake science by people who presumably didn’t even do junior school biology. And now the studies support the obvious, the idiotic debate has moved on and the goldfish covidiots have forgotten it all.

353619 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #865 of 2161 🔗

Is it not strange that the Lockdownistas can constantly change their tune and yet always be right, even when what they say is completely contradictory?

353632 ▶▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #866 of 2161 🔗

Time to read or reread Orwell’s 1984!

353826 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #867 of 2161 🔗

It’s so pertinent today.The party decides the truth and immediately everyone forgets yesterday’s truth.
Masks are the biggest example of this.The problem is that past utterances don’t even have to be memory holed.People do not even care.

353711 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #868 of 2161 🔗

Yep. Under Covid belief Lockdown 1 worked but now Lockdown 1 measures don’t work because now it’s different even though the situation is the same.

A cult changes the dogma constantly.

353700 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #869 of 2161 🔗

Remember Fauci declaring to Rand Paul that this didn’t exist. Absolutely blatant

353721 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, #870 of 2161 🔗

That 80% figure keeps coming up.

353599 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 20, #871 of 2161 🔗

Just thinking back to 2016 when the year saw a large number of very famous people passing away. It struck me at the time that people seemed shocked and puzzled by this, rather than just accepting that a cohort of people had aged and were starting to die off. Just another example of our society’s infantile refusal to acknowledge mortality.

353606 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #872 of 2161 🔗

With social media and media in general celebrities have become almost a part of some peoples lives.

So when they die it’s treated as if part of the individual following them has died.

353622 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #873 of 2161 🔗

“Why, do you not know, then, that the origin of all human evils, and of baseness, and cowardice, is not death, but rather the fear of death?” -Epictetus

353755 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #874 of 2161 🔗

Unknown author of the Letter to the Hebrews in the New Testament. It is talking about Jesus:” 14 Now since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity, so that by His death He might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. ” Chap 2: vv 14-15

353896 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Londo Mollari, #875 of 2161 🔗

Amen!

353633 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #876 of 2161 🔗

Also:

Lack of understanding of numbers, probabilities etc.

353612 Julian, replying to Julian, 11, #877 of 2161 🔗

Dear Supporter

Please take a second to vote in this twitter poll we have set up . We will use the findings in press and media work. Apologies to those not on twitter, there will be other polls on other platforms in the near future.

Has the BBC provided ‘impartial news and information’ about the Covid 19 situation, as required by the BBC Charter?

Vote by clicking here on this twitter link

Thank you

The Recovery Campaign

353618 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 2, #878 of 2161 🔗

Great. All with twitter accounts to do it

353641 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Julian, 3, #879 of 2161 🔗

Hey, you beat me to it. i was just going to post this. I can’t because I don’t have a Twitter account, but its good to spread the word to those that do.

353732 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to HelenaHancart, #880 of 2161 🔗

You don’t need a Twitter account to vote- the link works

353748 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Marialta, #881 of 2161 🔗

I tired to vote and it said I had to sign in or sign up.

353770 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Marialta, #882 of 2161 🔗

I just tried and it requires an account.

353795 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Julian, 1, #883 of 2161 🔗

So far about 95% say no.

353952 ▶▶ mj, replying to Julian, #884 of 2161 🔗

currently 13500 ish votes .. 5% say yes .. so that is 675 BBC employees have voted so far .

353628 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 32, #885 of 2161 🔗

Went to a supermarket today

I was asked by the Security Guard about my lack of a mask

I said I had a partially non visible disability and was therefore exempt

He demanded to know what my disability was. I said I was not required to tell him

He persisted

In the end and under protest I said

‘My disability is that I get a severe attack of diarrhoea if confronted about my disability by anyone in authority’

As it poured out of the bottom of my trousers onto my boots and the floor he recoiled and started retching

I said ‘That’s the visible bit, you did ask’

He mumbled something from 20 yards away that I heard as ‘Come on in’

The shop was empty and they even waved me through the checkout without paying

Now that’s what I call service

353693 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cecil B, 16, #886 of 2161 🔗

Spillage in aisle 2

353882 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, 1, #887 of 2161 🔗

lol I was gonna say that!

353638 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 6, #888 of 2161 🔗

I’ve just dropped some coins in the collection box for this worthy cause that someone posted earlier…

Important lawsuit vs the LDs – if you can spare a quid
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/the-coronavirus-act-2020/

353649 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #889 of 2161 🔗

an extract…

Further, the test that is being used is called the RT-PCR test and the inventor said it should NEVER be used for diagnostics. This is because it is not a ‘gold-standard’ test that would give 100% accuracy. In fact, there is a false positive rate of 80% for this test. This means that the test is meaningless as it is just testing for genetic material and not coronavirus and even that is only a real positive for one in five people. Other tests being used are as bad or even worse. Further, using these tests anyone can test either positive or negative depending upon how many cycles the specimen is amplified by and as such the tests can be easily rigged.
We want the Government to be immediately banned from conducting any further ‘coronavirus’ testing. They are not really testing for ‘coronavirus’ but these results are being weaponised and used to deprive us of our Democracy, Human Rights and Freedoms, also our finances are being affected and our economy destroyed all based upon false results. People are also dying as treatment is being denied as the NHS focus is only on so-called ‘covid-19’. People have also been so frightened by the relentless Media brainwashing that they are now not requesting urgent medical help when they need it. ”

353675 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Major Panic, 4, #890 of 2161 🔗

Its not a test! It can’t measure anything it simply identifies its presence yes or no & at such high amplification it could probably find martian blood in your body.

353706 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #891 of 2161 🔗

yes, i think that’s their point

353666 Simon, replying to Simon, 6, #892 of 2161 🔗

Has anyone sought clarification regarding public liability insurance for a supermarket or anywhere that forces muzzles?

If anyone here was forced to wear one and had a panic or anxiety attack and hurt themselfves inside, then wouldn’t the store be liable. The government guidlines are quite clear so they won’t be liable.

Might be worth claification from an insurer.

353682 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Simon, 2, #893 of 2161 🔗

It seems to. Mw. That many companies know the script here and wouldn’t touch that with a barge pole.

Self censorship is very much entrenched

353690 ▶▶ Alias Margaret, replying to Simon, 5, #894 of 2161 🔗

Several months ago, I was in correspondence with my MP about risk assessments for mask wearing on long journeys. He, in turn, wrote to the Department of Transport but all he received back from them was the usual propaganda about wearing masks to keep others safe etc etc-no risk assessment at all. I doubt very much whether shops will have done their own risk assessments. They get out of jail free by including “some people are exempt” in the small print on their posters. The government does the same by producing a long list of exemptions on its website and providing us with cards to print out.

353741 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Alias Margaret, 11, #895 of 2161 🔗

and still people are too thick to figure out that the only people making them wear face masks is themselves.

353686 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 26, #896 of 2161 🔗

Hold on folks… the tipping point is coming. This is all about to collapse. Fallout will be very ugly but at least it will be over!

353688 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #897 of 2161 🔗

When? I need to get my popcorn ready!

353775 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TheClone, 1, #898 of 2161 🔗

Now :o))

353692 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #899 of 2161 🔗

<sharpens pitchfork>

353725 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to captainbeefheart, 10, #900 of 2161 🔗

<gets chalk ready for ‘I told you so’ message on blackboard>

353734 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to captainbeefheart, 15, #901 of 2161 🔗

I’ve sharpened my pitchfork so much recently I now have a javelin.

353872 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #902 of 2161 🔗

*borrows Mr Bart’s gardening tools*

353701 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #903 of 2161 🔗

What makes you so confident?

353707 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to mattghg, 11, #904 of 2161 🔗

I’ve predicted critical mass in the past… the weight of evidence is too great. Their lies will not hold up much longer.

353717 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #905 of 2161 🔗

Who do you think is going to harness that evidence to hold them to account? I agree there is a weight of evidence, but I’m not convinced that anyone is going to suddenly step up with wortwhile opposition…

353754 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #906 of 2161 🔗

So, the uncritical mess will be overtaken by the critical mass?

353791 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Hieronimusb, 8, #907 of 2161 🔗

Absolutely, my friend. The “r” rate of truth has been growing steadily all this time. The thing about the “r” rate of truth is that is only ever increases. The “r” rate of lies starts high, increases rapidly but runs out of steam and crashes. Particularly when their effects cause great devastation. There is only one big lie here… a “controllable” virus that spreads through “asymptomatic” carriers who are wholly responsible for killing vulnerable, elderly and immunocompromised people. All other lies (“new mutant strain”, “masks outside”, “only one outside trip a week”) are all off shoots of the old lie. The truth gains mass and momentum exponentially… see “sub-prime mortgages” and “overdraft charges” and “PPI” for starters. Then “weapons of mass destruction.” Please cite further examples below…

353806 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #908 of 2161 🔗

In principle, I agree wholeheartedly.

353756 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #909 of 2161 🔗

Sorry – but the ‘weight of evidence’ as been ‘too great’ since the summer. Many of us had sussed that this was a propagandised con as early as late April, when all the markers were there and the real data told a different story.

353727 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #910 of 2161 🔗

I am tempted to agree. I think it needs the NHS pressure to subside (normal winter stuff) because there’s a tendency still to be in panic mode. When cool heads are recovered normal people will wonder what the fuck we have done.

There are thousands of scientists who aren’t on SAGE who can look objectively at the data and the data says the same thing. Lockdown doesn’t work, this was quite a mild pandemic that was over in April and lockdowns do a huge amount of harm

353764 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 3, #911 of 2161 🔗

The counter-narrative is the success of the government in ramping up fear every time it begins to decrease. Remember the fictions of ‘the second wave’ and the ‘ninja variant’?

… and those non-SAGE scientists are being increasingly locked out.

353908 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #912 of 2161 🔗

Nobody in any position to change the record has listened to common sense, non-SAGE scientists or anyone else questioning the narrative so far. That said I fervently hope you are correct.

353694 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 13, #913 of 2161 🔗

BBC R2 News midday.
Gavin Williamson says he’s going to name and shame the company responsible for stealing 2/3rds of needy children’s dinner money.
Don’t bother mate, we already know. COMPASS CATERING.

On a more positive note, it was suggested that schools could contract local cafes to produce the lunches instead.

353777 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to karenovirus, 7, #914 of 2161 🔗

As eddukayshun secetarry presumably he had a hand in who got the contract? Methinks he doth protest too much.

353871 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), replying to vargas99, 1, #915 of 2161 🔗

Education is important but Covid is importanter.

353965 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 1, #916 of 2161 🔗

The buck stops at the top Gavin Williamson – you should have ensured that these things do not happen. Only came to light when a member of the public was able to get it in the papers.

What are the staff (full pay and golden plated public sector pensions) doing all day?

353704 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 16, #917 of 2161 🔗

I read the Recovery UK report yesterday and sent it to LS, which probably most others did too. It is such a sobering analysis that I cannot for the life of me comprehend that people are still hysterically screaming to continue this madness. Even in the best of circumstances, the UK faces a tsunami wave of deaths in the coming months and years and will be chronically dysfunctional. Every single citizen will pay the price for this.

Anyway, I was thinking about starting a petition for Lockdown Sceptics in conjunction with Recovery UK and Great Barrington Declaration to present their case in Parliament on 23 March 2021, exactly 1 year in after this major debacle that is still with us now. Since we are constantly in danger to be platformed by the zealots, why not take the fight straight to the heart of it all – Westminster?

A selected panel of 3-5 experts will put it down in front of Parliament of what the real costs of lockdown actually are, where decision-making is wrong. Since there is TV coverage assured, which would guarantee penetrating the wall of our remote controlled media outlets… (unless of course there is a power outage).

Thoughts anyone?

353722 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Pebbles, 11, #918 of 2161 🔗

Great idea, but have you not worked this out yet! This isn’t about national governments all orders are coming from above! This is a global co-ordinated effort that has feck all to do with the virus. The sooner you and everybody else on these boards realised that then we can focus our efforts on fighting this. Our government ministers are merely puppets in this playbook.

353743 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Andrew K, 4, #919 of 2161 🔗

It’s a great idea but I suspect that you are right about orders from above (or, maybe I should say, below, as in Hell).

353745 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Andrew K, 3, #920 of 2161 🔗

I agree. Serious question, do you think Boris, handjob and the cabal are under some sort of mind control?

353880 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to stefarm, 1, #921 of 2161 🔗

Good old fashioned coercion and reward in the future would suffice.

353750 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Andrew K, 2, #922 of 2161 🔗

I expect Pebbles is aware of that – but wants to start somewhere. What practical suggestion do you have to attack the global forces at work?

353774 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Andrew K, 8, #923 of 2161 🔗

Sorry Andrew I am aware of what this is to the point that I have repeated it here on the comments ad nauseam.

However, I am also very practical, and I don’t believe you can simply open a conversation with people by saying “hey these folks are mind-controlled” and “there is a global coup underway”, even though there is… That discussion with someone in a coma is going to go absolutely nowhere.

But there are plenty of people at this point in this country who are on the cusp of breaking through and coming to their senses that not all is what it seems…it is about picking up those people where they are and expediting the realty check of what is going to unfold in this country.

Bringing sobering facts into Parliament by the scientists, experts, et al who have been consistently and deliberately shut out, is one way of getting attention. It must dawn on even the thickest of minds that this way is not what it is made out to be. But to get a panel into Parliament in the first place means that WE THE PEOPLE must demand it to happen.

2021 has to be about the rise of the people, if we want this to not end in either a dystopian nightmare or total chaos. So think practically.

353874 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Pebbles, 1, #924 of 2161 🔗

Excellent comment! Bonus points for correct spelling of “ad nauseam”.

353891 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Pebbles, 2, #925 of 2161 🔗

There are lots of groups like us, National Alliance, Freedom Network, KBF, Standupx and probably a lot more I’m not aware of. We need to work together keep increasing the numbers, form global networks, make more and more people aware of us. Then we can take the fight to the brainwashed masses, this is about people, the illusion of this panademic will shatter once enough of us say, enough is enough.

353906 ▶▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Pebbles, #926 of 2161 🔗

Why not anything at this stage is worth trying.

353928 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Pebbles, #927 of 2161 🔗

I’d support it and try to drum up support for it.

353793 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Andrew K, 2, #928 of 2161 🔗

I don’t believe the effort is globally co-ordinated (just copying each other) but even if it we have to start somewhere, and that somewhere is our govt and the parliament that enables it

I don’t think all MPs are “in on it”, whatever “it” is, and if they find the arguments convincing and/or think they are going to lose their seats, they might turn

Slim, but other than that and trying to change public opinion, what else do we have?

353723 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Pebbles, 3, #929 of 2161 🔗

Great idea

353710 Pangolin Sandwich, 3, #930 of 2161 🔗

Well negotiated and serviced government contract ensures maximum value for your taxpayer quids, good article on Bored Panda:

Mom Calls Out The Government After Comparing What She Could Buy For £30 Vs. What The Government Bought For £30
https://www.boredpanda.com/government-vs-mom-buying-food-for-30-pounds-comparison/?cexp_id=36082&cexp_var=42&_f=featured

353726 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 14, #931 of 2161 🔗

Death within 28 days of testing positive, death within 60 days of testing positive. blah blah blah.. None of that shit matters. The only stat that matters is death FROM Covid 19. Of course they won’t use that as it wouldn’t scare anybody.

353762 ▶▶ leggy, replying to vargas99, 7, #932 of 2161 🔗

Exactly. If they measured deaths within 28 days of a positive wank, they’d have to ban wanking.

353772 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to leggy, 2, #933 of 2161 🔗

What if it’s a negative wank? Sorry I mean Wancock……

353843 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to vargas99, 3, #934 of 2161 🔗

No happy ending I guess.

353781 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to leggy, 6, #935 of 2161 🔗

Not sure that would stand up, if you know what I mean.

354224 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #936 of 2161 🔗

It would be difficult to erect much of an edifice for the argument. Horribile dictu…

353853 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to vargas99, 3, #937 of 2161 🔗

well put. dying within 28 days of testing positive for something (athletes foot, hypochondria) says nothing about whether you died of it or not

with a disease that kills everyone it infects then yes.

with a disease that kills 0.1% of those it infects – it doesn’t really say anything

353735 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #938 of 2161 🔗

The Guardian: These lockdowns reveal the UK’s true character: we are a nation of snitches.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/13/lockdowns-uk-true-character-nation-snitches-useless-leaders

353768 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #939 of 2161 🔗

Actually, a very good piece, especially for the Guardian.

353867 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to vargas99, 3, #940 of 2161 🔗

Amazing for the Grauniad. It’s odd that the Covvilover General has these occasional twitches of humanity.
Of course, the argument us that the entire NHS shambles is the fault if the Tories.Frankly I don’t give a bean whose fault it is.

353780 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #941 of 2161 🔗

Snitches get stitches

353785 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #942 of 2161 🔗

and possibly wage

353809 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #943 of 2161 🔗

Almost a guardian article I could agree with.Ive always felt this is an national character trait.The nation is full of busybodies afraid that someone somewhere might be having fun.

353736 Londo Mollari, 2, #944 of 2161 🔗

Maybe the Covid delusion is just and fair for a culture that sexualises children to such a degree, if culture is what it can be called.

This is a short clip from a cartoon series in Denmark aimed at 4 – 8 year olds. It is all about a man with an outsize male organ who can do all sorts of miraculous things with it. Sick. For those aged 4 – years and on DR, the Danish equivalent of the BBC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3sGocnMP3A&feature=emb_logo

353746 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #945 of 2161 🔗

I have noted that they are now talking about removing ‘recovering’ covid patients to hotels to free up NHS spaces. These are people who have recovered from Covid and have had no symptoms for the last 7-14 days. I would imagine that most of us if in this position would say thank you very much to the staff, discharge ourselves and get the bus home. So presumably these people being sent to hotels are people who need assistance to live a normal life?
This seems to be a weird twist off our welfare state system, the NHS is the bottom line backstop for people who need help. So essentially it seems to indicate that part of the current crisis with the NHS is ‘bed blocking’ by vulnerable people who have nowhere else to go.

353757 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #946 of 2161 🔗

Seems like a very valid observation for me steve.

353782 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #947 of 2161 🔗

Cottage hospitals would fulfil this need very well.Whatever happened to them

353815 ▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #948 of 2161 🔗

Cottage hospitals and convalescent wards went many years ago, forcing the most vulnerable to pay for or contribute to their care through the social care system as soon as they are “medically optimised”.

353786 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #949 of 2161 🔗

Years ago they had convalescent hospitals for people who were not needing intensive medical care but were still a bit fragile to go home. The thinking changed, as wonder drugs are supposed to make us better in a couple of days. But if you are 80 and have a respiratory infection you might need an intermediate stage of nursing to recover.

353787 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #950 of 2161 🔗

Sadly this has always been so, elderly people who really shouldn’t be in hospital but are because there is no one to care for them.

Politicians are spending all their effort & resources making our country is equal & diverse to be able to look after the people that helped build our country.

353804 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #951 of 2161 🔗

Suspect these would be people who ended up in hospital for another reason – elderly ladies who had a fall – then contracted Covid from hospital. Nothing wrong with them per se, but cannot go to a Nightingale because it doesn’t have WC/shower facilities, and cannot be sent back to their own homes because relatives/support network banned from checking up on them. At this time of year they do block beds, but they cannot be discharged and there is often an almighty battle between local authority social services and NHS trusts as to which picks up the tab for intermediate care. They are adding to the numbers in hospital with Covid, but nothing to do with Covid.

353875 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #952 of 2161 🔗

I is the NHS that gets the Budget for Intermediate Care as it is a health care need.

353825 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #953 of 2161 🔗

It’s certainly is bed blocking. Especially when PCR can return a positive for months in extreme cases. They’ve created this.

353833 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #954 of 2161 🔗

As someone who used to work in hotels I sincerely hope the hotels will refuse. Hotel workers are not trained to deal with that and possible complications.
I had to deal with medical emergencies, and support from management has been severely lacking. They think because they sent you to a 1 day First aid course you are equipped.
Forgetting about the stress it causes.

353877 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Silke David, 2, #955 of 2161 🔗

Hotels will love the business I’m afraid.The only guests they have at the moment are asylum seekers.

353999 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to jonathan Palmer, #956 of 2161 🔗

I’ve had an email from Travelodge saying they’re “open for business”. On reading further it turns out that they’re saying that while leisure travelling is not allowed, business travel is still permitted. However a Premier Inn near me is completely closed.

353864 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Steve Martindale, #957 of 2161 🔗

Not bedblocking I think. There are proper stepdown facilities for that. Oops forgot the NHS has stopped using the ring-fenced budget for this.

354095 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Steve Martindale, #958 of 2161 🔗

One of the many reasons the NHS is in its own words ‘overwhelmed’ is that they have reduced capacity in order to reduce transmission.

WTF?

If you have symptomatic covid 19 it doesn’t matter if you share the same bed with a similarly infected person you aren’t going to get it twice are you. Or maybe you do – covid 38 anyone?

I know for an absolute fact that this ‘overwhelming’ with respiratory disease has plagued the NHS every winter for many decades and will continue to do so indefinitely. In the past they used to push beds closer together to help alleviate it, now they do the opposite and wonder why they are even more overwhelmed than before.

353747 CrazyHoarse, replying to CrazyHoarse, 20, #959 of 2161 🔗

So I went to a Tesco Express at lunchtime and got excuse me’d by a man on the door. I told him that I was exempt and he asked me about a lanyard, turns out he was offering me one. So I’m now the proud owner of a Tesco branded ribbon that I can hang around my neck, though I’m not sure what I’m supposed to clip onto it, I think I’ll use it to hang the key to my chastity belt. Up until now I’ve shirked the lanyard but now that I’m actively being questioned I’m going to go with it.

353758 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to CrazyHoarse, 24, #960 of 2161 🔗

As I said yesterday, there is no point in removing the stress of having to wear a face mask, just to replace it by the stress of an argument with a neanderthal doorman, however right you might be. Whoever came up with the idea of those lanyards deserves a medal, because they made the last seven months a great deal more comfortable for many who might otherwise, (like me) who were reluctant to go anywhere that they were required when they were first mandated.

353749 Basics, replying to Basics, 26, #961 of 2161 🔗

Struggling to word this thought more than usual.

The mask agenda flipped from masks are useless to masks are good overnight.

Behaviour psychologists were put to work to achieve the switch.

The research gathered by the behavioural modification teams during the initial months of lockdown must have informed them a global switch to using masks would be possible. They couldn’t afford to have a faltering switch over that would be counter productive to herding the population. They had the data to know it would stick.

But has it? Are we now seeing a scrap by the psychologists aiming to press home full compliance because the tide has now turned and it is clearly going out leaving only a vague acceptance of masks among the greater number of the population. People wear them but not all are believers – they need us converts to masks for future control.

This all amounts to the idea that the scamdemic was a rush job. Perhaps the elements were planned to take place long ago, to jump onto a virus and perform frauds with the aims we see around us now.

Only they were caught off guard by the initial effectivemess of their shock and awe. Since then they have been floundering to capitalise in predetermined directions they want to go.

Technologically, they have had a crap plague. All the bells and whistles of smart phones with enough computing power to land a module on the moon 50 years ago has croaked. Absolutely incompatible with successful confidence building in technology. Not something these global barons want.

Perhaps they can pull something of their plans from a global chaos. Indeed chaos is part of their aim from which they will create their order.

Now bliar creeps in at the edges. We are living with their attack failing. They are stalling for time by rolling out then delaying the vaccine. It could be a marketers trick of creating false demand, but again at the cost of confidence in the public mind. Even Geoffry Boycott is pissed off.

At this stage I think their bluff is starting to wear thin. It is taking the grossly incompetent front men too much effort over too long a period to be successful. The lunatic Hancock quite simply is running out of stamina.

353767 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 5, #962 of 2161 🔗

Might make more sense if they stepped up the vax? They’re struggling to keep the narrative going and fast running out of diversions.

353778 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, #963 of 2161 🔗

Scarcity cause demand.

353794 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Basics, 11, #964 of 2161 🔗

I am willing to exchange my very scarce vaccine doses for gold. Sovereigns and krugerrand accepted; bars must be certified (no exemptions 😉 ).

353893 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 2, #965 of 2161 🔗

We can make money by selling our vaccine to the desperate. I only accept bank transfers no installments.

353771 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Basics, 16, #966 of 2161 🔗

The problem that have is this,.If they relent now on the mask issue and admit they were less effective than claimed, they will have a huge difficulty reintroducing it next winter, which is almost inevitable. We’ve already had the rublings of Hancock warning about the NHS being overwhelmed next winter. In fact, it’s an inevitability with the number of patients that have been awaiting over a year for operations now exceeding 200,000.

353784 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Richy_m_99, 16, #967 of 2161 🔗

The problem that have is this,.If they relent now on the mask issue and admit they were less effective than claimed, they will have a huge difficulty reintroducing it next winter”

They will also look like the liars and/or idiots that they are

353879 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Julian, #968 of 2161 🔗

Well, of course, Hangcock has always had that problem!

353790 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Basics, 5, #969 of 2161 🔗

Though they have access to their pet psychology think tank, the policy makers are not psychologists. Their ambitions are far beyond reality and they have made little provision for the sort of effort required to create any kind of inertia in a chaotic mass of humans, and in such a shortened timescale.

They don’t have the option of using violence, and this is not an implanted seed of propaganda for a single idea (which can be effective quite quickly), this is an attempt at a many faceted shift in lifestyle overnight.

They are simply way beyond their collective competence, even with a highly propagandised and suggestible public.

353851 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to Basics, 12, #970 of 2161 🔗

You are overthinking it. The desperate politicians grabbed what they could and saw mask wearing as an opportunity to do something. “Scientists” in receipt of money, power and influence couldn’t respond (or did so initially then saw which way the wind was blowing) and reversed the previous 10 years of practice. This tells me a lot about not trusting any professional or professional body in future. Either mask wearing is a bit of political persiflage or the greatest public health discovery in history. I know which I believe.

354242 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to concrete68, #971 of 2161 🔗

I don’t come from a position where politions have ultimate power they are irrelevant front men. In political terms whips prove my point. But this is all very low down the pecking order from my perspective.

354057 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Basics, 2, #972 of 2161 🔗

Even Geoffry Boycott is pissed off.

Well if Boycs is on board we are home and dry, they will never get him out!
He will run out everybody else though.

354711 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Basics, #973 of 2161 🔗

The whole edifice is about to crumble, people are now seeing through the rubbish.

353751 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 51, #974 of 2161 🔗

Just came back from Morrisons and here’s my report:

There was a sign outside that said “No mask no entry unless you are exempt”

There was a security guard but he waved me though (had my lanyard discreetly under my coat with the sunflowers peeking out) and was more concerned with the man in front of me who looked totally confused.

Supermarket was almost empty which made me suspect that management had shot themselves in the foot and people have decided to boycott them and are staying away. Quite a number of fellow shoppers not muzzled and more staff not muzzled but wearing exemption badges and lanyards.

Staff were friendly as always.

Walked past a Sainsbury’s and it looked OK, no door Gestapo present.

So I’m beginning to be convinced that this is more of a scare tactic by the government whose control is slipping and any incidents about being denied entry seem to be more outside London and the big cities.

353807 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #975 of 2161 🔗

hopefully the hysteria at supermarkets will calm down if a week or two – here’s to hoping!

353813 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to penelope pitstop, 8, #976 of 2161 🔗

I think it will. The pattern so far seems to have been that the government try to up the ante, the public go mad for a couple weeks, then the public forget and chill out a little bit. The cycle then repeats.

353846 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #977 of 2161 🔗

And every time it does so, a bit more credibility gets washed out. The law of diminishing returns is a bitch.

353878 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to penelope pitstop, 8, #978 of 2161 🔗

I think so. I was just chatting to a friend who suspects that its nosediving profits that seem the driver for this. Discretionary spending has declined since the mask mandate and now with more people losing their jobs and claiming bankruptcy then there will be less and less people making impulse purchases.

353873 ▶▶ iane, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #979 of 2161 🔗

‘Quite a number of fellow shoppers not muzzled’. Blimey, where is this wonderland? In my visits to Tesco over the last few months, I haven’t seen a single other person (including any of the staff) without a face mask!

353904 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to iane, 3, #980 of 2161 🔗

That branch of Morrisons I go to has a much more diverse clientele – you have your sheepies and those who couldn’t care less and everyone else in between.

353984 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #981 of 2161 🔗

Maybe it’s a bit selfish of me, but I’m inclined to think that I don’t want too many people becoming aware that they can self-exempt from mask wearing. The problem is that it might lead to more questioning of exemptions and possibly stricter requirements for proof, even though the current position is that doctors have been told not to issue exemption certificates. Non-maskers are mostly “under the radar” at present despite occasional confrontations (I haven’t had any). If non-masking in shops got up to, say, 20% the maskers would have the opportunity to be a lot more vociferous. A better situation would be for non-masking to rise quickly to about 50%, giving safety in numbers, but I can’t see that happening any time soon.

354115 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #982 of 2161 🔗

The reality is that casual non-compliance is rising. We are in week two of this act of mass murder, and people have already had enough of it. The terror tactics and hysterics are inversely proportional to what is happening on the ground. If everyone was being ‘obedient’ there would be no debates about compliance.

For the government, the focus needs to remain on compliance since it deflects from the real answers as to why the country is in such a mess – poorly handled Brexit, failed Track & Trace, inconsistent pandemic approach, under-investment in the health service, over-powerful teaching unions &c &c.

Karen & Dave having a coffee in the park are a factual and scientific irrelevance but politically vital.

354135 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jhfreedom, #983 of 2161 🔗
354163 ▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to JohnB, 2, #984 of 2161 🔗

Ha yes. In most of America they have lockdown so easy (esp. Florida, Texas) compared with our insane version. Basically in America if you don’t work you starve so everyone has had to carry on. In the UK and Europe we have invented free money so we can sit at home and ‘save lives’ at someone else’s expense. As of yet, I haven’t worked out who’s…

354403 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #985 of 2161 🔗

Certainly more supermarket staff have been claiming exemption as from the various chats I’ve had with staff, no-one was off sick during spring and summer but once mandatory muzzling came in that’s when the absenteeism began – mostly chest infections, colds, dermatitis, impetigo and nausea.

353759 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 37, #986 of 2161 🔗

One more small business here has cleared its shelves and looks about to close for good.

Meanwhile, as livelihoods are destroyed and what’s left of living goes into limbo, we are enjoined to visit this website:

https://clearyourhead.scot/

Patronising simplistic tosh; I spotted it while watching some catch up stuff today; unbelievable!

Thousands upon thousands of desperate folk are denied access to cancer , psychiatric, general medical, orthopaedic, general surgical, gynaecological, social , educational, financial and other services, while Scotgov advises lighting candles, ‘reaching out’ ,going outside- good luck with that- and thinking happy thoughts.

So, touchy feely psychobabble will help allay the mounting stress and its associated suffering while the architects of this disaster continue to receive their generous salaries, fees and bonuses.

I can no longer find the words to describe what has befallen us.

353773 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to wendyk, 9, #987 of 2161 🔗

Those words have all been stolen and repurposed.

353776 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #988 of 2161 🔗

So true

353818 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to wendyk, 8, #989 of 2161 🔗

My office introduced face masks today. Not when seated of course, because who the hell knows

353828 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #990 of 2161 🔗

Unbelievable, or,perhaps, all too believable.

353857 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #991 of 2161 🔗

Please remember to dispose of them by attempting to flush them down the toilet.

354038 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #992 of 2161 🔗

When they strap one to the water cooler you will know you have lost.

353856 ▶▶ Annie, replying to wendyk, 4, #993 of 2161 🔗

touchy feely? At your peril!

353861 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Annie, 3, #994 of 2161 🔗

They can stick their head clearing advice where the sun doesn’t shine Annie.

353779 peter-, replying to peter-, 15, #995 of 2161 🔗

Drinking alcohol outdoors in public places against the law in Krankie land now. Another one that will never be repealed. Prohibition continues apace.

353789 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to peter-, 8, #996 of 2161 🔗

Irn Bru ok though .
Can’t get a new kitchen fitted.
Takeaway only through a hatch.
Thank you St Nicola for keeping us safe.

353885 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to arfurmo, 11, #997 of 2161 🔗

They’ll just wait till every takeaway invests in hatch before saying takeaways will not be allowed

354044 ▶▶ RickH, replying to peter-, #998 of 2161 🔗

Doesn’t she realise that people will need to be insanely pissed to vote for her?

354053 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to RickH, 2, #999 of 2161 🔗

I think she has the popular vote anyway, can’t fathom how. Fuck ‘em, let them have independence and go grovelling to to the EU to become members in a few years time. Deserve what you get when you vote for her.

353799 penelope pitstop, 4, #1000 of 2161 🔗

Good video on virus / new world order / vaccines using original video.
May be suitable to forward to friends that are not on the same page as you

https://happen.network/

353803 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #1001 of 2161 🔗

just as the peak is passed and new infections rapidly falling

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55646778

Tightening of Scottish lockdown rules announced

353837 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to steve_w, 15, #1002 of 2161 🔗

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

353859 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Nessimmersion, 4, #1003 of 2161 🔗

Just by way of a completely irrelevant mood lifter, did you know the girl in the original test card was called Carole Hersee? Her dad designed the test card. I’ll get my anorak…

353866 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #1004 of 2161 🔗

Imagine explaining to a teenager today that there was a time when there literally nothing on TV.No wonder we were a better educated people.

353854 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to steve_w, 9, #1005 of 2161 🔗

The final nail in the coffin of the moribund Scottish private sector. How many small cafes will be able to afford hatches? As to serving at doorways; one can foresee what will happen,especially in the cold wet weather now with us.

Home maintenance? Who decides?

Has this mad dominatrix got any idea of what constitutes normal life, or used to, before she cancelled it?

I hope the legal eagles are preparing a multitude of compensation claims.

353898 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), replying to wendyk, 7, #1006 of 2161 🔗

If masks worked, why would hatches or doorway sales be necessary? Oh hang on, I get it.

353921 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to wendyk, 5, #1007 of 2161 🔗

Husband said it’s to give McDonald’s the business. Drive through Mcdonald or outside queue in pouring rain in a gale force wind for real food, majority will go to Mcdonald and I’ll cook at home.

The working classes better get their fingers out their backsides because the only places left open will be take aways that sell the worst of the worst and big supermarkets. My small local tesco already caters for the lazy junk food addicts and ready made meals.

Really down about this today . I have now lost all my cleaning jobs and I get nothing from the government and am worrying about husband going to lose work if more places close, not to mention a man that never gets depressed is talking about jacking it all in and letting the state keep him. He’s 60 next month and has had every holiday cancelled in the last year, my granddaughter 21st, my 60th and now his 60th all cancelled. We had a ‘party for mine but friends who were invited never came and he thinks that’s what’s going to happen to his.

353949 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Just about sane, 2, #1008 of 2161 🔗

I think the same as you.Big Mac will take over.

And for your circumstances; it’s utterly shameful that so many decent people like you and your husband and family have been brought so low.

What can we do to stop this devastation? Who will be held responsible for the pain, the frustration , the loss of work and social life?

Meanwhile the affluent are quite content in the main, as they haven’t as yet, suffered any real hardship.

354177 ▶▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to wendyk, 2, #1009 of 2161 🔗

We’re luckier than most as we’re mortgage free but he’s lost a lot of work and we’re now working with our eggs in 2 baskets which means we just have enough to get by. It’s not that we don’t want to work, it’s we are being prevented from working.

353863 ▶▶ jb12, replying to steve_w, 2, #1010 of 2161 🔗

Wow, yeah, what a difference all that will make.

354219 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to steve_w, 1, #1011 of 2161 🔗

I blame Calvinism personally. Everyone is predestined.

353811 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 14, #1012 of 2161 🔗

The government advice is to behave as if we have covid

It has been suggested that this is Munchausen Syndrome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factitious_disorder_imposed_on_self

but

For cases of feigned illness not driven by a psychiatric disorder this is technically Malingering

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malingering

353817 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #1013 of 2161 🔗

a court martial offence in the US military

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/883

353841 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to steve_w, 7, #1014 of 2161 🔗

It’ll get you a charge in the UK military too, at least it would when I was in.

353819 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 11, #1015 of 2161 🔗

If one is to behave as though one has Covid 19, surely one would be self-isolating? This means that the government is effectively calling for a national strike that includes every single person. Do they have any idea what would happen if everyone followed this advice?

353824 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1016 of 2161 🔗

This reminds me – there was a comment on Conservative Woman suggesting essential services strike as a way of ending lockdown. Desperate measures…

353831 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #1017 of 2161 🔗

We’d all be at home masturbating ourselves to death while drawing a free-shit wage straight from the government’s tireless printing press. As it turns out, this is not so very far from the WEF’s Grand Vision for a Brave New World.

353836 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 16, #1018 of 2161 🔗

I’m sure if I masturbated myself to death it would go down as covid

353848 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to steve_w, 4, #1019 of 2161 🔗

The NHS doesn’t know if it’s coming or going.

353884 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to steve_w, 16, #1020 of 2161 🔗

Put something down on the floor first, first. Remember: Matt. Hand. Cock.

353899 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1021 of 2161 🔗

Sam, that made me laugh. Brillant!

DavidC

353914 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #1022 of 2161 🔗

That’s very good! Surely there’s someone who knows how to photoshop that onto a picture of Wancock at the No 10 press podium? PLEEEESE

354214 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to steve_w, #1023 of 2161 🔗

“He came, and then he went.”

354028 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 2, #1024 of 2161 🔗

Thinking about it, a job at the government’s tireless printing press must be one of the only long term employment prospects this sink hole country has left nowadays.

They really are overwhelmed, never seen them dancing on tiktok.

354702 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Old Bill, #1025 of 2161 🔗

Too busy hammering Ctrl+P for TikTok, geez.

354426 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #1026 of 2161 🔗

There would be no one to operate the tireless printing press, and money would be of no use anyway because there would be no one to buy anything from.

353830 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #1027 of 2161 🔗

Zoe data not updated yet, so I’ll just share this pearl of wisdom

Season 1 (March/April), R went from 1.5 to below 1.0 in 17 days, it was below 1.0 5 days before lockdown

Season 2 (now), R went from a peak of 1.48 to below 1.0 in 17 days, it was below 1.0 on 4th Jan

In both cases it dropped linearly – restrictions seems to have nothing to do with it

354036 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #1028 of 2161 🔗

Steve – it’s no good speculating about the ‘R’ figure. If the base data is shite, then you can’t derive a useful variable from it.

353847 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1029 of 2161 🔗

California already has mass liquidation…. I’m sorry… vaccination centers established:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/disneyland-becomes-mass-vaccination-super-site

I’m sure this is on its way to Wembley and Old Trafford!

353876 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to awildgoose, 9, #1030 of 2161 🔗

Disneyland has become a mass vaccination center?

We’re trapped in a fucking Stephen King novel.

354024 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 2, #1031 of 2161 🔗

Meanwhile Disney World in Florida is open.

Alleged Disney corporate policy is get the jab or get terminated.

353865 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 5, #1032 of 2161 🔗

DEFINITION OF PATHETIC REVISED IN SCOTLAND

This is what happens when you allow a tyrant to give out daily briefings and dictates to justify the daily briefings and dictates in the first place! In other words, ever decreasing circles of wee ginger madness.

Covid in Scotland: Tightening of lockdown rules announced – BBC News

353890 ▶▶ leggy, replying to tony rattray, 2, #1033 of 2161 🔗

Ridiculous. Expected in England next I guess.

353933 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to tony rattray, 8, #1034 of 2161 🔗

I have said this before & I will say it again, I am deeply deeply ashamed to be Scottish.

354222 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, #1035 of 2161 🔗

See the UKC Dispatches on the psychological attack – new video discussion between Brian and Alex.

Scotland is a prime target for the years of pschological attack that has been going on. Being embarrassed by our own identities, values and culture is an aim of what has been going on.

Really a good video to check out.

353869 chaos, replying to chaos, 13, #1036 of 2161 🔗

People on my street today complaining about the drug dealers next door. She is pregnant. They have 5 kids with different partners – none of whom live with them.They smoke, get take outs most days.. and charity food bank deliveries..

Then I got to thinking about Boris. He has so much in common with them. Lots of kids, different mothers. My neighbours only destroy and upset the sanctity of my street whilst Boris destroys the health and wellness of the nation.

He’s an elitist eugenicist pleb hating man-boy (with Daddy’s views) in a bumbling clown suit.. and he has long been a willing agenda 2021/2030 advocate.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643551/Global-over-population-is-the-real-issue.html

353886 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to chaos, 8, #1037 of 2161 🔗

At least the dealers are open about their criminality. I’d say they were better people than the government.

353909 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 9, #1038 of 2161 🔗

The drugs they’re selling are probably better tested too.

353918 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tee Ell, 6, #1039 of 2161 🔗

I’d sooner take their drugs than any foisted on me by Johnson and his sinister entourage!

353919 ▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #1040 of 2161 🔗

If you knew my neighbours you really wouldn’t.

353895 ▶▶ mj, replying to chaos, 14, #1041 of 2161 🔗

if you report them to the police as drug dealers then the police will not be interested.
However say your neighbours have people staying over who are not in their bubble and might be having a party and you’ll get a transit van full with handcuffs at the ready

353901 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mj, 8, #1042 of 2161 🔗

Tell the Rozzers they mis-gendered you with the wrong pronouns
Be there in a flash

353922 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to mj, 3, #1043 of 2161 🔗

yep, we are living firsthand what it is to live not under the rule of law but in a fascist thug police state

354208 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mj, 1, #1044 of 2161 🔗

That may be the way to do it. Say they are not social distancing and do not mask up.

353870 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1045 of 2161 🔗

https://tt.omni.se/ytterligare-ett-dodsfall-efter-vaccinering/a/mB5mLp

Sweden after 80000 vaccinations. Five deaths not related to vaccine assuming severe previous health problems  with old age.
Interesting 1 anaphylaxis and 1 acute Bells palsy. It seems to be in average 1 anaphylaxis per 60000-80000 which is substantial more, 10 times, than ordinary flu vaccine. The phase 2 trial did not pick up the anaphylaxis as only 40000.Now with Phase 3 trial i.e.rolling out the vaccine we will record the true incidence.

353883 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1046 of 2161 🔗

Do they track post jab infections? That is, if it actually meets the efficacy levels they claim

353948 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1047 of 2161 🔗

Five deaths not related to vaccine assuming severe previous health problems with old age.

How can they come to that conclusion?

That is exactly what they did with the children that suffered narcolepsy with the swine flu vaccine. The Government denied for years that the narcolepsy was as a result of the vaccine – wanted parent to provide proof of the causation – the Government only settled with these people when the ‘pressure’ became massive.

353887 Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), 4, #1048 of 2161 🔗
353889 Annie, 5, #1049 of 2161 🔗

Once again that Yes minister episode…

https://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/18968776.covid-report-praises-pembrokeshires-bluestone-field-hospital/

Glowing report about a covviehouse that, at the time of the inspection, had no patients and never had had.
I gather they have a few now.
This is the outfit, built in a holiday camp, that is signposted in Welsh only, as if the bosses didn’t want the county’s predominantly monoglot Anglophone population to know what (or was not?) going on in their midst.

353897 EllGee, replying to EllGee, 6, #1050 of 2161 🔗

Getting worried about the local health trust. They’ve lost 22 people from hospital in 48 hours and the numbers are now getting on for half of what they were. Obviously somebody hasn’t read the memo

353911 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to EllGee, 2, #1051 of 2161 🔗

Sorry want do you mean by Lost? Died, gone missing or resigned also is it staff or patients you’re talking about.

353972 ▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1052 of 2161 🔗

That’s the joy of the ONS website-you have to guess. Assuming that, as there aren’t any deaths listed, they must have got better and gone home. Again though it can’t be right as such boring things as recovery don’t get a mention.

353902 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 15, #1053 of 2161 🔗

Treasury “considering” support for limited company directors

https://contractorweekly.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=0441eec3c35d9e315de3b61aa&id=5c9af37a31&e=0cf2de9e01

Well, isn’t it nice of the multi-multi-multi- millionaire “no one will lose their home over all this” chancellor (with links to Infosys) to “consider” finally giving support to people that have been totally screwed over and condemned to spend the last 10 months on a whopping £80 a week.

It’s not like the government has been trying to destroy these people for the last 20 years or anything and never started any campaigns to shame them for paying tax differently to full-time employees. They are all tax-dodging scumbags anyway.

Maybe if he’d bribed these people with enough money to pay their mortgage/rent, council tax, electricity/gas/water bills and still have enough left over for a tin of beans every day in the first place then they too would have spent the last 10 months “liking” recipes for banana bread on Fuckface and informing the Stasi every time the people next door left their house more than once a day.

I expect many have been forced to do Amazon deliveries for £7.20 an hour so that everyone else can continue to imprison themselves whilst ordering a load of crap from China.

It doesn’t matter how much funny money you throw at people now, it’s totally worthless.

When the economy collapses, you won’t even be able to use money to wipe your backside because it’s not even made of paper anymore.

353985 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1054 of 2161 🔗

Problem with this scheme is it still has a £50k profit cap, I live in the London area, where 50K is not the fortune it would be elsewhere in the country, many will still be left out. I am a company director that went back to being self employed with a couple of hundred pounds over the 50K profit, so still nothing for me despite me not being able to work for now the 6th month.
I find it incredible that I am told I cant operate my business, and I am given no compensation, I could have lived with it for a couple of months, but asking me to do it for months on end is totally unresonable, I know many people earning far more than me who have been furloughed and get money, but self employed and company directors over 50K get £0, even if we are only over buy a whisker.

Trying to find another job that pays anything like my normal salary is totally impossible, and retraining would take years to get back to my 50K salary.

353903 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 15, #1055 of 2161 🔗

This country is now getting like a bad Sci-Fi B movie, where the offspring of survivors of a supposed extinction level event have been sealed up for a century. They remain there, not because of any proof that the air is toxic outside, but because the community elders tell them how bad it is on the outside.

Then one day, a brave person decides to open the door of their prison, or in our case, peels off their facemask) and breaths in fresh air. All of a sudden, it becomes apparent that all their suffering and isolation has been for nothing and they turn on their leaders for lying to them for so long.

353915 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #1056 of 2161 🔗

Or Plato’s cave. Ignore the shadows on the wall, turn around, head towards the sunlight. It’s great out here.

353945 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #1057 of 2161 🔗

Or Father in The Mosquito Coast, who convinces himself that the USA has been destroyed and condemns his family to a miserable existence in the jungle.

353957 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Annie, #1058 of 2161 🔗

good afternoon Annie! that wasn’t your poem ATL, was it?

354297 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Annie, #1059 of 2161 🔗

I read the book.
I am not violent person, have campaigned against death penalty, but the death of the father, the way he suffered, I was “YES!!!!”

354026 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #1060 of 2161 🔗

More like a SPI-B movie…

353907 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 18, #1061 of 2161 🔗

Evidence now emerging to say London & South East hospital admissions falling since 10 January, as per Julie H-B twitter, on top of Zoe app showing ‘cases’ peaked in late December. Not only does this debunk the emerging narrative that Lockdown 3 is working, doesn’t it also completely debunk the ‘70% transmissible mutant’ narrative unless it is accepted there was already herd immunity prior to Lockdown 3?

353939 ▶▶ MaxPower, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #1062 of 2161 🔗

Just heard on the news that Bojo has proclaimed that lockdowns are beginning to show a “small effect”.

353951 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to MaxPower, #1063 of 2161 🔗

I don’t know if I should laugh, or cry…

354008 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Alice, #1064 of 2161 🔗

Probably cry, he will most likely announce a toughened regime just to make sure.

354201 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to ituex, #1065 of 2161 🔗

One more push, like in 1917. Haig needs to move his drinks cabinet a little nearer Berlin…

354193 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to MaxPower, #1066 of 2161 🔗

Yes, by f**king everybody up.

353989 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1067 of 2161 🔗

This shows all the signs of being the second R0 adjustment that all viruses do at this point in winter. The “second winter wave” is usually a bit bigger than the first.

The “new strain” has nothing to do with it (and I still doubt it’s significantly more transmissible).

If there was no herd immunity prior to Lockdown 3 the variant would make less obvious difference, because you’d have exponential growth, 4000 deaths a day etc. the minute anyone shopped for a non-essential item, drove four miles from their house or took their mask off for one second blah blah either way.

354014 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to guy153, #1068 of 2161 🔗

There are NO succeeding ‘waves’. The idea was simply mythical. Just a normal pattern of endemic infections.

354252 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to RickH, 1, #1069 of 2161 🔗

That’s all I mean by “waves”. There are usually two undulations or whatever you want to call them in winter, one around October and one around now, a bit bigger. SARS2 seems to be following the pattern.

354021 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to guy153, 2, #1070 of 2161 🔗

Agree. The deaths at the end of December were well below the pre-Christmas ‘scary death number’ of 900 by New Year pushed by Cambridge Biostats unit (its 4000, downgraded several times over the course of October but unknown to Vallance and Whitty, fed the ‘dodgy dossier’ for second lockdown). 31 December deaths (date of death) were 709. There have also been suggestions in a few places that the enormous spike in positive ‘cases’ in late December includes duplicates. Are we about to have a mea culpa?

354256 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #1071 of 2161 🔗

I think the only thing we can say for sure is there will never be a mea culpa 🙂

353910 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #1072 of 2161 🔗

Our boys in blue taking a well earned break. Please pass on before it gets taken down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOv-voaiUoY&feature=youtu.be

353931 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1073 of 2161 🔗

That needs shared everywhere. Shows just how much it’s a rule for them & a different rule for us. Well spotted 🤙🏻

Oh & round of applause to the gentleman who filmed that 👏🏻

353916 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 6, #1074 of 2161 🔗

POTENTIALLY A CATALYST FOR GETTING OUT OF THIS GODAWFUL MESS

I have just submitted the post below in the Medicines sub-forum.

It is about big a step towards using inhaled interferon as a treatment.

There could well be emergency approval granted before the official results of this trial.
It has the potential to have a major impact on improving treatment, to reduce the fixation on vaccines and to play a huge part in getting us out of lockdowns and other restrictions.

*

The post:

News announced this morning of the first dosing of a patient in the multinational phase 3 trial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55639096

If the trial is anywhere near as successful as the phase 2 trial, this could be a game changer in the treatment of Covid and indeed many other viral respiratory illnesses.

A major potential bonus is that, if it works well, it should also work on mutant variations and strains of the virus.

353924 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to SilentP, #1075 of 2161 🔗

Hmmm… I wonder who was buying their stock by the buckload all through Q1 2020?

353927 ▶▶ iansn, replying to SilentP, 1, #1076 of 2161 🔗

first thing I see is £2K per treatment. so that will be a definite yes from Wancock, vs 50p for invermectin. And the BBC says thats cheap for a hospital treatment stone the crows. FFS

353941 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to SilentP, #1077 of 2161 🔗

Thanks good to know. Now to see if the authorities can put people’s health first and treat them with inhaled Interferon

354001 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Victoria, #1078 of 2161 🔗

They are doing a trial of total of 600 patients in several countries only half of which will get interferon the others get nothing. In this situation I find that unethical.

354124 ▶▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to ituex, #1079 of 2161 🔗

Yes, that is a tough one to swallow. Unfortunately, it seems to be the only route through to the necessary approval – unless it is approved for emergency use or if the trial can be cut short if it is so clearly going to deliver. Those on the placebo will hopefully be no worse off than they would have been anyway.

353996 ▶▶ ituex, replying to SilentP, 1, #1080 of 2161 🔗

There was the non ironic comment that the treatment would need to be cost effective before it could be used in the UK. It’s hardly going to cost more than the lockdown is it!

354000 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to ituex, #1081 of 2161 🔗

Or £36 a pop for the Pfizer snakeoil.

354212 ▶▶ Basics, replying to SilentP, #1082 of 2161 🔗

Inhale vaccine plus police with pepper spray equals a potential senario I do not want to contemplate.

353917 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 48, #1083 of 2161 🔗

Week two of the kids at home and let me tell you it is hell on earth trying to juggle ‘remote learning’ with both parents working.

How ON EARTH can anyone say lockdown is a good idea? It is a massive act of self-harm. In Switzerland the government made a ‘never again’ commitment to not shut the schools after last March/April.

Since when was schooling and individual liberty negotiable and presented as a trade-off versus our crummy health service?

Sorry, nothing constructive there but just absolute fury at the situation. I cannot look any lockdown supporter in the face anymore. Literally.

353936 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to jhfreedom, 12, #1084 of 2161 🔗

Absolute madness.

Closed Schools = Child Abuse

Children should be at school socialising, learning and do activities

353944 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Victoria, 11, #1085 of 2161 🔗

They need to be at school as well to help their immune system.

353960 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to jhfreedom, 5, #1086 of 2161 🔗

You don’t need to always say something constructive. A well placed rant is always welcome here.
Everything you say is correct and I despair.

353971 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to jhfreedom, 7, #1087 of 2161 🔗

I don’t know how people with children are coping with work and now having to homeschool as well. I feel for you.

And given all schools and colleges are open for vulnerable students and keyworkers children they should have stayed open for all students.

353980 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Ambwozere, 15, #1088 of 2161 🔗

We’re not coping, its a very dreadful experience. I don’t do much work as I’m teaching my daughter about angles. My son sits in his bedroom all day listening to a teacher working from home who only speaks for ten minutes then leaves them with a worksheet to do.

Some of my friends think this homeschooling is going well and smugly tell me that their kids get on fine with school work, we have no problems. I think Oh, do fuck off!

354005 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lydia, 2, #1089 of 2161 🔗

But the point is that school isn’t just about obvious learning – it’s a social environment that is essential.

354104 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 1, #1090 of 2161 🔗

Meh. Sports, groups, families, neighborhoods, activities, hobbies, etc. provide a social environment too.

354071 ▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Lydia, 5, #1091 of 2161 🔗

I have tried to impart to my partner and kids not to sweat the small stuff. If an assignment can’t be done or is not clear, forget it and move on. Trying to maintain a 100% uninterrupted education through this is impossible and a short cut to insanity (or worse). The main thing is the adults keep the income flowing and the kids get a bit of schooling but don’t get stressed by it since the situation is horrific enough as it is.

353920 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 77, #1092 of 2161 🔗

I have given up debating with the cretins on local social media. Now I just troll them…

353923 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 55, #1093 of 2161 🔗

And another

353937 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 15, #1094 of 2161 🔗

This is priceless Sue, yes reminding people that Hitler would be proud of them must really get them rattled, if not then we’re doomed.

353976 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 10, #1095 of 2161 🔗

These are brilliant. Of course the Stockholm reference will be lost…

354827 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jhfreedom, #1096 of 2161 🔗

Something to with Sweden?

354049 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #1097 of 2161 🔗

god the original comment makes me want to vomit! “…I’m happy to be reminded so I and others are safer” – fetch the bucket quick!!

354089 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to penelope pitstop, 5, #1098 of 2161 🔗

“…I’m happy to be reminded so I and others are safer”

I can only hear that in jp sears’ voice. 🙂 🙂

354218 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #1099 of 2161 🔗

Elaine obviously didn’t attend school and get an education (I’d forgot to put myn on) therefore she has been easily manipulated and welcomed into the zombie community!. Just love your reply and the to the one above.

354237 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Hellonearth, 3, #1100 of 2161 🔗

And to judge by her reference to a “skeaker”, she’s obviously a ventriloquist.

353932 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 13, #1101 of 2161 🔗

My hat is off to you my lady! That is some fine trolling there..

353953 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #1102 of 2161 🔗

This I approve of.

353964 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #1103 of 2161 🔗

Lolcows are people and groups whose eccentric or foolish behavior can be “milked” for amusement and laughs”

353967 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1104 of 2161 🔗

They should never have allowed the black people on the buses…

354020 ▶▶ Will, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1105 of 2161 🔗

Brilliant!!!

354139 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1106 of 2161 🔗

Keep it up!!! *Applause*. Well done 🙂

354266 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1107 of 2161 🔗

I’m surprised the zealots haven’t gone full “Hitler did nothing wrong”. They are so close

354460 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1108 of 2161 🔗

Very good response.

353925 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #1109 of 2161 🔗

New Government Advice: Only breathe once a day using a paper bag and do not remove your mask. Polythene bags are dangerous and not to be used. Idiots who do not comply will be responsible for a further restriction to once a week in the first instance. You have been warned. Gasping for any reason is strictly forbidden.

353969 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1110 of 2161 🔗

You sure about that? I would expect they’d encourage breathing through a polythene bag. Would soon reduce all covid cases!

353987 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to zacaway, 2, #1111 of 2161 🔗

Too obvious.

353926 Jo, replying to Jo, 10, #1112 of 2161 🔗

Has anyone seen these WEF Global Shapers Communities? They are made up of young people who are trained as influencers, to carry out Klaus Schwabs vision of the future. There are 444 worldwide and in UK they are in London, Oxford, Birmingham and Edinburgh. And according to the Oxford hub website they are teaming up with the council and NHS to carry out their plans.
I find this really worrying.
I’m too old to join – but wondering whether Poppy or other younger posters can infiltrate? It looks easy to contact them with a view to joining.

353934 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Jo, 2, #1113 of 2161 🔗

Not sure that joining the ranks of the insane is a sensible response. This fire will only burn itself out when there’s no oxygen left.

353963 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Jo, 1, #1114 of 2161 🔗

How young do you have to be I wonder? Would be good to have a mole on the inside so to speak.

353974 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Jo, 2, #1115 of 2161 🔗

Winter oak have written extensively about this – see here

https://winteroak.org.uk/2021/01/09/shapers-of-slavery-the-plan/

353979 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Jo, 9, #1116 of 2161 🔗

Will there be snazzy outfits?

354200 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Jo, 2, #1117 of 2161 🔗

Yes looked into the shapers. Who does the pickin’? Guys in the edinburgh group are dripping arrogance in their photographs. There public facing twitter pages very sparsely populated. The group had a sole project of putting defibrilators in more public spaces.

354231 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Basics, 1, #1118 of 2161 🔗

Indeed- just had a look at their mugshots- “We are your overlords”, eh?

353938 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1119 of 2161 🔗

Have we reached peak crazy? – No of course not. They are coming for your beards gentlemen. Why? – because a face covering may be less effective if its covered in fuzz. Ireland’s RTE has the details:

Bearded chaplain denied entry to Castlerea Prison https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0112/1189205-castlerea-prison/

Excerpts:
Deacon Seamus Talbot was told he could not enter Castlerea Prison in Co Roscommon following an order from the prison governor that anyone accessing the building must be clean-shaven, which is part of health and safety protocols during the Covid-19 pandemic.
The Irish Prison Service has confirmed the national policy.
“This is to ensure the effectiveness of the face-masks that are required to be worn. This is just one, from a wide range of measures which have been introduced to mitigate against the spread of Covid-19 and to help ensure that the health and well-being of all of our staff and those in our custody is protected,” a spokesperson said.
Deacon Talbot, who is a part-time chaplain, refused to shave his beard, which he is understood to have worn for decades. As a result, the governor said he would not be allowed entry to the facility.

353942 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1120 of 2161 🔗

The Muzzies won’t stand for it
The woke Tories are crippled by PC

353946 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1121 of 2161 🔗

And the Sikhs and orthodox Jews

353955 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1122 of 2161 🔗

I’ve grown a pretty hefty beard in the last couple of months. I find it helps with my crazed stare at anyone who tuts at me for not being muzzled. That and growling.

354046 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to godowneasy, #1123 of 2161 🔗

That tangled Web, shouldn’t laugh, but …

354183 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to godowneasy, #1124 of 2161 🔗

Italian Maoists in the 1970s who visited Albania were often required to shave before entering the country, as beards were considered undesirable.

354695 ▶▶ TC, replying to godowneasy, #1125 of 2161 🔗

Yes, ex soldiers will confirm not shaving over the course of a few days will break the seal of a respirator so nasty things can gain entry.
Further scientific views would also say wearing a mask is useless in any event – maybe the Governor should think on that?

353943 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 18, #1126 of 2161 🔗

Is the left beginning to turn ??
article from the Grauniad – https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/10/lockdown-sceptic-covid-police-tough-crackdown-help

Plenty of offensive boilerplate but a few glimmers of sense

The Johnson government has an awful attitude to basic parliamentary scrutiny – and, in Priti Patel, a home secretary who draws on a deep well of authoritarianism and nastiness”

A few of the simpler rules are close to inexplicable, while others may have profound implications for civil liberties that could easily outlast this crisis

One cultural aspect of the Covid era seems to be particularly pronounced: swingeing, judgmental attitudes towards anyone who might seem to be breaching the rules, usually made worse by an apparent refusal to understand just how impossible lockdown is for millions of people

And then there are the achingly predictable responses to this new phase of the crisis from certain sections of the police – The lack of alarm about these moves is remarkable

Running through all these things are basic human truths that the stridency of pro-lockdown posturing too often ignores. Civil liberties matter

353947 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Aslangeo, 22, #1127 of 2161 🔗

When the worm turns the Grauniad will swear blind they were against lockdowns

353954 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Crystal Decanter, 13, #1128 of 2161 🔗

Yup – just like every Frenchman was a member of the resistance between 1940 and 1944

353956 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #1129 of 2161 🔗

Whereas in reality about 2-5% actually were.

353962 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to HoMojo, 6, #1130 of 2161 🔗

There were more fighting age French males in the SS than the Resistance.

354147 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1131 of 2161 🔗

No, that’s fascist myth-making, as misleading as the claim everyone was in the Resistance. According to this the Resistance were Jews, exiled Italian anti-fascists or Spanish Republicans, Armenians but not French.
One major recruiter for the Resistance was, ironically, the Germans. French workers were often conscripted to be sent to work in Germany. Frenchmen who sought to avoid this escaped and quite often ended up in the maquis.

354202 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Waldorf, 2, #1132 of 2161 🔗

I wasn’t being entirely serious.

354011 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #1133 of 2161 🔗

I’m fully expecting this same approach with a number of family members…’what you talking about; I never wore a mask, I didn’t believe any of it’ etc etc. It’ll turn my stomach.

354117 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1134 of 2161 🔗

I have noticed a couple of articles in the Grauniad recently where they refer to the negative effects of lockdown, whereas previously they were using the term negative effects of COVID19.

354129 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1135 of 2161 🔗

Yes. Gutless worms.

353961 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Aslangeo, 21, #1136 of 2161 🔗

It has completely baffled me how much the left (esp. the Grauniad) has accepted all this totalitarianism. Whatever happened to their concern for the Human Rights Act, which has been de-facto repealed, since the precedent has been set that is can be overriden simply by ministerial decree?

I have acquaintances on the left who were spitting blood over BoJo over Brexit, and could never stand Patel. Now they think they are our saviours (except perhaps could have been a bit more ruthless from the start). Madness.

353978 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to zacaway, 5, #1137 of 2161 🔗

yes, yes. Yes. ALL MY FRIENDS. Academics, social workers, teachers. FFS.

353991 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to zacaway, 9, #1138 of 2161 🔗

Lets be clear : the Guardian isn’t ‘left’ by any stretch of the imagination. It has been active in support for the LibDems, and ran a virulent propaganda campaign against Corbyn.

It used to be genuinely as independent as any broadsheet got, but that went out of the window after the Snowden affair, and the ditching of trust status for a limited company.

It then accepted a place on the ‘D Notice’ committee, sacked a clutch of genuine journalists (despite exceptions, the majority now are Oxbridge networked groupies), and confirmed good behaviour by becoming a key route for government propaganda aimed at the urban middle class, hiding behind all the other ‘trendy’ stuff.

Thus the satirical term ‘Th MI6 House Journal’.

354015 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 1, #1139 of 2161 🔗

The influence of the open philanthropy project is all over this business as well.

354018 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to RickH, 2, #1140 of 2161 🔗

I think there is a distinction to be made here between the names of social groups and the characterisation of political positions.
My friends who follow the Guardian’s line on lockdown consider themselves to be of the left. I, on the other hand, see my friends as closet authoritarians. So it makes sense to refer to these people as ‘of the left’ if we understand ‘of the left’ as the name of a group rather than as our own evaluative description of the political position in question.

354069 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to RickH, 3, #1141 of 2161 🔗

Exactly. The Guardian is a sad shadow of what it used to be. Whatever people may think of it’s politics, it used to have integrity and good journalists. Both are long gone now.

354161 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to RickH, 4, #1142 of 2161 🔗

The Graun also funnel all their loot through a Cayman Islands holding company
Whilst posting a loss in the UK every year
We see how that works

354169 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to RickH, 1, #1143 of 2161 🔗

When I first read it in the 1980s it possibly deserved the term. Not now.

353994 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to zacaway, 4, #1144 of 2161 🔗

Its a strange mixed up thing, because Johnson and his cabal, are Blairites. Blair is right in the middle of this with his friend, Ferguson and Hancock has been writing grovelling Dear Mr Gates letters forever. But so many of the same people going along with this were against Blair’s Iraq war.

354010 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to DanClarke, #1145 of 2161 🔗

Campbell is all over it like a rash as well. And as for Moron… I can’t wait for it to break that he has been on the payroll.

354042 ▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Will, #1146 of 2161 🔗

Forgot about Campbell, evil, yes

354009 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to zacaway, 1, #1147 of 2161 🔗

It has completely baffled me how much the left (esp. the Grauniad) has accepted all this totalitarianism

What left? There has been no left since BB (before Blair).

354040 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to zacaway, 5, #1148 of 2161 🔗

I find most of those who are left leaning tend to be less about empathy for their fellow man and more about the points scored for how loud they say they care about their fellow man, particularly if that other person is of some protected class or category.

An example: I’ve seen those ‘good souls’ passing £5-10 to our now resident big issue salesman. He’s positioned just outside the local coffee shop. They don’t bother with the magazine, just ‘here you go mate have that’. Let’s just say our sales man is a of a swarthy nature from foreign climbs. This guy does so well I’ve started wondering if I’d be better off selling Big issue myself! (I digress).

Anyway, I have seen this financial virtue signally happen repeatedly over the last few months, then a couple of weekends ago noticed our old tramp (must be in his 80’s, poor condition, stinks to high heaven and drools) walking past this Big Issue seller. Honestly, I have never seen these ‘do gooders’ move out of someones way as fast before. They completely ignored this old chap who is quite clearly living rough, has all his belongings in a trolly bag and can hardly lift his head up. Once he’d shuffled past the stream of virtue signaller continued trotting over to the BI seller to give out cash.

I honestly couldn’t believe it.

354103 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Mike, 3, #1149 of 2161 🔗

Spot on analysis. I’ll never forget seeing a drug addict walk into a city centre hotel, steal some hotel brochures from a rack, walk outside, and within 10 seconds a virtue signalling dogooder stopped her Mercedes abruptly in the middle of the road and handed him £20 through the window, in exchange for what she thought was a “big issue”. “There you go love” she screeched as loudly as possible – full on Hyacinth Bucket style. Can guarantee it was converted into spice or heroin within minutes.
But it didn’t matter about the drug addict potentially ending up overdosed in a gutter somewhere – what was important is that she felt better about herself and made everyone hear all about it.

353970 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Aslangeo, 15, #1150 of 2161 🔗

The lack of alarm about these moves is remarkable”

I think it’s actually the core. The docility of lambs to the slaughter surprises even some of us with a built-in scepticism.

I certainly understand 1930s Germany much more after the last year.

354025 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Aslangeo, 8, #1151 of 2161 🔗

Though I’ve sometimes described people as “sleepwalking into tyranny”, it’s actually more a case of them actively welcoming tyranny as a response to a perceived problem (covid in this case) – just as most Germans in the 1930s welcomed the advent of the Nazis. The lesson I’ve learnt is that I was wrong to think something similar couldn’t happen in this country in the 21st century.

353950 DanClarke, 8, #1152 of 2161 🔗

Build Back Better AKA Mash Crash Smash

353959 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 39, #1153 of 2161 🔗

So, I haven’t been able to operate my business properly since 23rd March last year. But, this doesn’t stop the town council billing me in full for the ground rent for the tiny bit of gravel area we are obliged to pay for to put our outside seating on. Further, they are increasing this by 50% next year. I am still expected to pay in full for something I have not been permitted to use for the best part of a year and am still not allowed to use. I have no words.

353973 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 6, #1154 of 2161 🔗

Shocking! Can you appeal this?

353983 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 8, #1155 of 2161 🔗

Sure as hell going to try.

354571 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 1, #1156 of 2161 🔗

Contact teh valuatiosn offcie and ask for a review as profits do amke up part of teh rates calculation.

It can atke ayear ro two to get through the system but it might get you a reduction.

I took over a pub that had been closed for 6 montsh afetr going abnkrupt.

Council demanded full business rates.

I appealed to valuations office – they eventually decided on a 80% reduction as profits at the time I took it on were zero and the rates were to be revised after a year.

353975 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 6, #1157 of 2161 🔗

Rotten.
I bet people who own holiday homes are being charged the full whack for properties they aren’t allowed to visit. Anybody experienced this?

353981 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Annie, 2, #1158 of 2161 🔗

Yes, no exemptions for the Gwaun! Bastards.

354007 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Annie, 3, #1159 of 2161 🔗

We have a chalet by the coast.We had to pay full ground rent last year on the promise of a discount this year.
The site gave us £300 discount and put the ground rent up by £100.
We also had to pay council tax without a discount.

353982 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to kh1485, 3, #1160 of 2161 🔗

‘We’re All In This Together’

354050 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to kh1485, 5, #1161 of 2161 🔗

Same as uni students having to pay rent for rooms they can’t access.

354090 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ambwozere, 3, #1162 of 2161 🔗

Yes, that’s disgusting also. I know it’s a vain hope but, if this ever ends, I hope there is a reckoning. There really needs to be one.

354276 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #1163 of 2161 🔗

I was in Leicester last in 2019 for a long weekend before students returned. There were so many commercial student halls buildings, I was wondered how they can fill them all!
These companies rely on investors, either a small private one, or probably pension providers. I feel sorry for the investors who thought their money is safe.

354414 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Silke David, #1164 of 2161 🔗

There are two universities, Leicester university has halls out towards Oadby. De Montfort is in the city centre and its halls are across the city centre, equally I don’t understand how they can fill them all. I live in Loughborough and student accommodation is spreading across the town, but there are around 20000 students.
I think the Leicester universities each have about the same, representing a student population in the city equivalent to a small town.

354233 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to kh1485, 3, #1165 of 2161 🔗

I am very sorry. I understand with similar violations. Fully support any stand you are able to make. Shame them if you can

354316 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 1, #1166 of 2161 🔗

What scumbags councils are kh…its despicable. They need some of your boiling hot coffee over their heads.

354393 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 1, #1167 of 2161 🔗

Very sorry to hear this.

Would it be possible to appeal or get a discount?

353977 ThomasT, replying to ThomasT, 3, #1168 of 2161 🔗

Wife had the news on last night and they seemed to have some sort of in depth “feature” on long covid, including interviewing endless people suffering from it. Guess this return to raising awareness of long covid might relate to the falling number of cases of normal covid.

On another note I just overheard one of the wifes work colleagues on the phone actually saying that she was going to start “double masking” whenever she goes out as she had read that apparently its more effective than just wearing one mask. I spurted my coffee all over the kitchen when i heard that. wtf!

354270 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to ThomasT, #1169 of 2161 🔗

Saw a late 40ish male yesterday queuing outside Specsavers with a blue mask and then a necktie thing on top. Probably a fashion decision to cover the blue mask, other wise …wtf?

353986 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #1170 of 2161 🔗

re 4 major supermarkets enforcing the wear a mask inshore unless you can prove a medical exemption.

There is no such a thing as a medical exemption – guidelines refer to Exemption only. In addition, these guidelines refer to face coverings not masks

These 4 supermarkets are members of the British Retail Consortium (BRC). https://brc.org.uk/contact-us/

Some of you might want to refer this blatant discrimination to the BRC and get their official stance.

353995 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Victoria, 7, #1171 of 2161 🔗

Exemption cards

If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

  • you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
  • you do not need show an exemption card

This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering .

However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.

Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law .”

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

354085 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 2, #1172 of 2161 🔗

But you will need a very thick skin to NOT carry one…

354243 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1173 of 2161 🔗

I carry a printout of the above instead.

354047 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Victoria, 2, #1174 of 2161 🔗

This was posted on twitter by EHRC yesterday, they have written to all these supermarkets directly.

EHRC on Twitter: “”The pandemic has had a considerable impact on disabled people and they must not be forgotten when implementing these measures.” – Executive Director, Alastair Pringle, on shoppers being denied entry for not wearing face masks. See our guidance: https://t.co/WJdzwCL3nF https://t.co/Noges5SwWK ” / Twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/EHRC/status/1349077262302404613

354075 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #1175 of 2161 🔗

Thanks this is great information. The twitter link provided the following information

Cabinet Office – GUIDANCE FOR FACE COVERING EXEMPTIONS
https://www.businesswest.co.uk/sites/default/files/guidance_for_face_covering_exemptions.pdf

Suggest to print this document and carry it with you

354065 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Victoria, 3, #1176 of 2161 🔗

They are trying it on, probably due to government pressure. When challenged with the actual law they back down.

https://twitter.com/AldiUK/status/1349350955930836992

354229 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Chicot, 3, #1177 of 2161 🔗

They don’t back down here. It’s literally “no mask, no service” and they’re getting away with it. It is incumbent upon us to file a human rights complaint or sue them in small claims court. The constitutional lawyer who has filed a statement of claim against all levels of government has created templates for citizens to use if they want to sue, but this takes time and money that a lot of people don’t have. You are lucky that most of your stores do honour exemptions when pushed. There are a few stores that have been OK, but not many.

354318 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Chicot, #1178 of 2161 🔗

There is no such a thing as a medical exemption – the Government guidelines refer to Exemptions (and face coverings not masks)

This new Government strategy to use supermarkets as stooges was carefully planned, by planting concepts such as medical exemptions and only refer to masks

353990 Cecil B, 10, #1179 of 2161 🔗

The violence from the State is relentless and without mercy

Those who live by the sword

353992 Victoria, 2, #1180 of 2161 🔗

This video explains how the PCR test works and how we are interpreting results incorrectly.

https://youtu.be/S_1Z8cSXI-Q

353997 Nelse, replying to Nelse, 6, #1181 of 2161 🔗

Sad news from Switzerland. After a mildy re-imposed lockdown late last year they are now closing shops and facilities until at least the end of February. What is scary about this is less the impotence of this gesture based on the data but more the reasons for doing so:

“In a press release on Wednesday, the government said that it had adopted these measures in a bid to “drastically reduce contact” amid concerns that the highly contagious virus variant could lead to a resurgence in cases. In a press release, the government described the epidemiological situation as “very tense”.”

Once upon a time incremental rising cases (2x cases per day etc) data was used to justify lockdown. Then is softened to any rises in cases. Now we’re at potential that cases “might” rise with no data based evidence. I fear 2021 will be met with this new dangerous precedent and even more stupidity.

Clearly people if you don’t have corona then you do not exist.

354664 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Nelse, #1182 of 2161 🔗

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1349387971108237315

 We’ve seen plenty of post-peak lockdowns… but *10 weeks* post-peak? Swiss madness.

353998 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #1183 of 2161 🔗

Astonishing COVID-19 Testing Fraud Revealed
PCR test – For Accuracy, Much Lower Cycle Thresholds (CTs) Must Be Used
Now, if CTs above 35 are scientifically unjustified, just how low of a CT should be used? Quite a few studies have investigated this, so there’s no shortage of data at this point. The fact that the WHO, FDA and CDC still have not changed their CTs downward in light of all these data tells us they’re not interested in getting an accurate picture of the infection rate.

For example, an April 2020 study in the European Journal of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Diseases showed that to get 100% confirmed real positives, the PCR test must be run at 17 cycles. Above 17 cycles, accuracy drops dramatically.

By the time you get to 33 cycles, the accuracy rate is a mere 20%, meaning 80% are false positives. Beyond 34 cycles, your chance of a positive PCR test being a true positive shrinks to zero.

More recently, a December 3, 2020, systematic review published in the journal of Clinical Infectious Diseases assessed the findings of 29 different studies — all of which were published in 2020 — comparing evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection with the CTs used in testing.

As reported by the authors, “12 studies reported that CT values were significantly lower … in specimens producing live virus culture.” In other words, the higher the CT, the lower the chance of a positive test actually being due to the presence of live (and infectious) virus.
“Two studies reported the odds of live virus culture reduced by approximately 33% for every one unit increase in CT,” the authors noted. Importantly, five of the studies included were unable to identify any live viruses in cases where a positive PCR test had used a CT above 24. What’s more, in order to produce live virus culture, a patient whose PCR test used a CT at or above 35 had to be symptomatic.

So, to summarize, if you have symptoms of COVID-19 and test positive using a PCR test that was run at 35 amplification cycles or higher, then you are likely to be infected and infectious.

However, if you do not have symptoms, yet test positive using a PCR test run at 35 CTs or higher, then it is likely a false positive and you pose no risk to others as you’re unlikely to carry any live virus. In fact, provided you’re asymptomatic, you’re unlikely to be infectious even if you test positive with a test run at 24 CTs or higher.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/13/coronavirus-pcr-testing.aspx

354019 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Victoria, 2, #1184 of 2161 🔗

If you go here https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ and compare the graph of cases to deaths you can see it is much more consistent that other countries. I believe India have a Ct cutoff at 25 cycles.

354074 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 2, #1185 of 2161 🔗

how low of a CT should be used?”

Simple. Using the much-lauded precautionary principle, a max. Ct of 20.

354002 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1186 of 2161 🔗

There’s an interesting Twitter thread from John Burn-Murdoch regarding data comparison between now and previous flu seasons.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1347200864222638083

I just want to focus on the attached graph to point out the importance of how we interpret the data. At first glance it seems rather striking, the pressure on ICU beds is way worse than previous years.

But take a step back and try to visualise what may be happening. A horizontal line suggests parity between admissions and discharges. The 2020-21 graph is ever increasing which means that people aren’t being discharged.

Now let’s assume, in the simplest case, that anybody who tests positive is required to stay in hospital for at least 14 days then for the first 14 days you are going to see numbers rise nomatter what. Once discharges come into play the slope will change.

Now there’s no doubt that pressure on ICU beds has been increasing but you have to think about all the factors that might be contributing. If nobody is getting discharged and they’re all supposedly dying then why is the graph continually rising?

354043 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1187 of 2161 🔗

Vulnerable people with no support network – can’t be discharged so they are just blocking beds?

354003 Victoria, 8, #1188 of 2161 🔗

Fearmongering Success Hinges on Incorrect Use of PCR Test
Every Scary Thing You’re Being Told, Depends On the Unreliable PCR Test

https://youtu.be/6ny9nNFHQsY

The video above includes several interviews with experts who have openly criticized the use of PCR testing to diagnose infections such as COVID-19. These include:

  • The inventor of the PCR test, the late Kary Mullis (he has spoken about the test for other infections, such as HIV, but died in August 2019, a few months before the COVID-19 pandemic broke out)
  • Michael Yeadon , Ph.D., a former vice-president and chief scientific adviser of the drug company Pfizer
  • Professor Carl Heneghan , director of the Oxford University Center for Evidence-Based Medicine
  • Emeritus professor of immunology Beda M. Stadler , former head of the Bern Institute of Immunology
  • Clare Craig , a consultant pathologist
  • Stephen A. Bustin , professor of molecular medicine and a world-renowned expert on the PCR test
354004 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 60, #1189 of 2161 🔗

Just back from Doctors blood test,WW2 over face nurse called doctor in as concerned for my mental wellbeing (her words not mine), doctor insisting I must go for treatment and help asap before it’s to late, refused on the grounds I’d heard new strain was rampent and it had taken me over a week to pluck up courage to visit the surgery,in the end I had to do a runner while nurse and two doctors had a private conversation plus the fact I was sweating like fuck under that mask.. grind em down sceptics…

354016 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 15, #1190 of 2161 🔗

I love it, thanks for posting, made me laugh out loud, makes me tempted to find one on ebay and do the same!

354031 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #1191 of 2161 🔗

thanks for the laugh!! 🙂 it doesn’t happen much these days!
I look forward to the next gasmask drama – cracks me up!

354032 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #1192 of 2161 🔗

Even my internet trolling isn’t as good as your real life trolling. They don’t like it up ’em Mr Mainwaring.

354122 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 14, #1193 of 2161 🔗

That’s the point, turn the rules/guidance or whatever the Fuck there called against them,they hate to see a completely over blown mask, the amount of comments I’ve had”it’s not that bad to be wearing a mask like that”to which I reply ,”well if it’s not that bad get that face muzzle of and set a fucking example”.

354155 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1194 of 2161 🔗

I got myself a t-shirt with the INGSOC logo from 1984 on it and a V for Vendetta mask. You gotta have some fun with these loonies.

I haven’t tried any shenanigans to the extent you have but I was thinking I might start pretending that I haven’t heard anything about a pandemic when challenged in the shops and look all shocked.

354211 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 11, #1195 of 2161 🔗

Or the cheap and cheerful option — the brown paper bag over your head with two cut-outs for your eyes. Can’t take credit — The Amazing Polly walked into a store with this over her head and the manager had to concede it met the criteria of a face covering. She also wrote I AM NOT SICK on it.

354034 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #1196 of 2161 🔗

I so love your exploits, think they should feature on the blog page itself so people who may not read the comments can see them.

354035 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #1197 of 2161 🔗

I suspect you have a new career in acting/comedy awaiting you Bruce. Good Man keep it up!

354054 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to vargas99, 15, #1198 of 2161 🔗

I’m sorry to say that over the years my attitude towards life has landed me in a good few scraps particularly with the law as my old man used to say,”May be one day you will bloody well grow up”.

354112 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #1199 of 2161 🔗

We all hope that day never comes – on the other hand , maybe it’s you who are one of the few grown ups.

354154 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to mikewaite, 6, #1200 of 2161 🔗

If my old man was still kicking he would probably disagree with your comment, myself I applaud it…

354048 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #1201 of 2161 🔗

Bruce, I always like to read about your exploits. Not quite sure if it’s all true but don’t care whether it is or not!

354064 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Edward, 9, #1202 of 2161 🔗

After this shit show is over I’m going into retirement.

354191 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #1203 of 2161 🔗

Think you need to make a farewell tour before you do that, Bruce. Let us know how you get on at Sheffield Dental Hospital, BTW- I know it well and referred a fair few patients there in my days of indentured ( geddit ?) slavery.

354244 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 4, #1204 of 2161 🔗

To tell you the truth I don’t envisage any problems at the teaching hospital they have always been excellent,a lanyard at best will be the order of the day they do appear to have a good understand of mask exemptions..

354249 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1205 of 2161 🔗

The thing is that 39 years of associating with dentists has made it clear to me that most of them seem to have had their sense of humour/irony surgically removed at birth- far more so than medics, even. So I’m eagerly anticipating your report from the front line at the Charles Clifford!

354051 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1206 of 2161 🔗

Haha. Brilliant. Made me laugh whilst I was on a work call.

354255 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Hubes, #1207 of 2161 🔗

That’s dangerous, Aitch. Only ever do that if your boss tries to make a joke- whether you find it funny or not. You have been warned.

354171 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #1208 of 2161 🔗

I just love it. I wish I was as brave as you and pull off some daft stunts. The piss takes are the best because they show people up for the brain washed zombies that they are. If they did not realise that you were making a point then it is them that need help, either that or you are a damn good actor and need an oscar.

354245 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Hellonearth, 4, #1209 of 2161 🔗

There so brainwashed by MSM bullshit I don’t think some realize I’m taking the piss..

354006 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 38, #1210 of 2161 🔗

Not far, I know, but just driven 50 miles round trip to see my youngest grand–daughters to hear about their sledging trip. Lifted me right off the ground and through the roof and, hopefully, they see another adult acting with humanity not fear. Took my aged sister shopping after and neighbour’s son came laughing to my car window having seen the sign ‘fear, obey, clap’. “Where did you get that?” he asked and I told him about Lockdown Sceptics. How many will he tell? I have as much idea as Ferguson has about how many will be infected by some poor sneezer so I have invented the ‘D’ number i.e. how many doylums (Leeds word for idiot) have not woken up.

354083 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Bungle, 6, #1211 of 2161 🔗

Fab, good for you.

354180 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Bungle, 5, #1212 of 2161 🔗

Snow is magical. Brings a whole new outlook. Lovely to hear your great news.

354199 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Bungle, 6, #1213 of 2161 🔗

They’re adorable! That’s who we are fighting for.

354017 Puddleglum, replying to Puddleglum, 6, #1215 of 2161 🔗

I am beyond speechless however my fingers still work!

Gavin Williamson is mooting bringing in mini externally marked tests. That’ll be another word for exams then. How to really play with the minds of teenagers who have got quite enough to worry about already.

P.S. Is that what they mean by gaslighting?

354029 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Puddleglum, 2, #1216 of 2161 🔗

And where will these exams be taken at home at school or college? Who’s going to invigilate the parents or guardians?
Do all the exams have to be taken on the same day and time as everyone else like the GCSEs and A levels do?

You can tell this hasn’t been thought through at all.

354030 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Puddleglum, 2, #1217 of 2161 🔗

Forgive this oblique response – I’d just like to remark that that moment where you stamp on the scented flames with your bare feet and the smell of burned marshwiggle pervades the underworld is maybe my single favourite image in fiction of the attainable everydayness of goodness and reason.

354039 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Alethea, 2, #1218 of 2161 🔗

If only we could bottle that scent and sell it, it might wake some up.

354175 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Puddleglum, 1, #1219 of 2161 🔗

Gaslighting is the act of deliberately planting seeds of doubt over a period of time to cause a person or people to first question then lose their sanity.

Another way of looking at gas lighting can be as a trail of pissed on bread crumbs. Toxic little crumbs that lead you in a direction away from sense.

The label Gaslighting is taken from the name of a film from 1938 (? Guessing, it is an oily black and white).

354022 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 17, #1220 of 2161 🔗

The best defense is a good offense.. grind the bastards down sceptics I have no doubt victory will be ours..

354033 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1221 of 2161 🔗

Careful that kind of talk is enough to get you impeached.

354027 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 10, #1222 of 2161 🔗

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564347

end all lockdowns once vaccines rolled out to high risk groups.

All grist to the mill so why not sign?

354062 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to vargas99, 3, #1223 of 2161 🔗

Jeez, only 1,708 (+1) signatures.

Expected government response:

Everyone is at high risk to this deadly virus and it must be contained at all costs.

If we allow this deadly virus to spread, then even though you may be in a low risk group now if you are under 60 and have no underlying health conditions, one day you will be older and it will kill you then.

We owe it to future generations to eliminate this from our planet so nothing like this ever happens again.

The vaccine is the only route out of this. As we know other diseases that would be easily eliminated by vaccines will evolve in the future, we must vaccinate everyone all the time.

As we have no idea actually how many people are in our country, the only way to achieve this would be to introduce Certificate Of Vaccination ID cards.

By reading this out loud or to yourself, you have consented to agree to everything we have said.

With love, the government

354037 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 4, #1224 of 2161 🔗

Good afternoon everyone,

I had the misfortune of this ad (please see graphic) popping up on my Twitter timeline. Is that even true? bearing mind the testing phase hasn’t even finished (I think I’m correct in saying that but happy to be corrected). Also, one might be forgiven for thinking there is just 1 vaccine rather than multiple ones from different organisations based on the wording.

Best regards

Simon

354045 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to SimonCook, 6, #1225 of 2161 🔗

It’s not true: the phase III trials of *all* the vaccines are still ongoing. When this advert came up on my Facebook newsfeed I reported it for being misleading. Fat lot of good that’ll do, though.

354056 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to SimonCook, 3, #1226 of 2161 🔗

Incorrect! All lies

354093 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to SimonCook, 4, #1227 of 2161 🔗

This is not correct – trials are on-going and are not due to complete until 2023.

NHS wording : The vaccines approved for use in the UK have met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).
Any coronavirus vaccine that is approved must go through all the clinical trials and safety checks all other licensed medicines go through. The MHRA follows international standards of safety.
———————————————————————————————–
So, they have not met their own requirements regarding “all the clinical trials”.
————————————————————————————————–
They also say : So far, thousands of people have been given a COVID-19 vaccine and reports of serious side effects, such as allergic reactions, have been very rare. No long-term complications have been reported .
————————————————————————————————-
Obviously it’s not possible to know of any long term effects after just a few weeks!

354143 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to SimonCook, #1228 of 2161 🔗

I wonder what the chap is looking at down the microscope? I’m suspicious it is just there to look fancy but I’m also genuinely curious! He won’t be able to see the coronavirus because it is smaller ( at ~100 nanometres) than the wavelength of visible light (380 to 750 nm). He also wouldn’t be able to see the lipid drops used in the Pfizer or the Adenovirus used in the AstraZeneca vaccine both of which are similar size or smaller than the coronavirus I think.

354157 ▶▶ Basics, replying to SimonCook, 2, #1229 of 2161 🔗

Cartoon programming. Infantile imagery as others have said. Thats one of the real plagues going around. Part of destabilising.

354348 ▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Basics, 2, #1230 of 2161 🔗

And three brown figures to rub our noses in diversity.

354215 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to SimonCook, 1, #1231 of 2161 🔗

Well that’s obviously BOLLOCKS. The lying bastards. Still if they do the BIG feckin lie in cartoon form for the morons I guess its true.

354041 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 14, #1232 of 2161 🔗

Today’s scary death figure – 1012 people in English hospitals, all but 46, aged 39 to 98, with co-morbidities. Dates of death from 8 May to 12 Jan, with majority after 6 Jan. Have they now resorted to exhuming bodies to keep the numbers up – 8 May!

354087 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #1233 of 2161 🔗

Sounds pretty average to me.

354097 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #1234 of 2161 🔗

Any idea at all where an 8th of May Covid death comes from?

354142 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1235 of 2161 🔗

According to the NHS Spreadsheet – the London Clinic Devonshire Place

823 deaths in the last 5 days (where significant extra recorded deaths may come in the next few days due to reporting lag)

The Rest are catching up on earlier non reports
75 deaths 1 to 7 January
109 deaths in December
2 in November
2 in October
1 in May
Averaged 565 daily deaths between 5th and 10th January

Source data here – https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

354226 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #1236 of 2161 🔗

Average of 565 deaths across the UK a day. That’s truly terrifying and deeply concerning.

N-O-T

More people than this are dying of drug overdoses, alcoholic liver failure, suicide, heart attacks strokes, and cancer. Who happen to “test positive” (lol) for the RONA.
Bastards

354052 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 15, #1237 of 2161 🔗

A woman in the DM is claiming her life in Hull is as bad as it was in Iraq, take that Mr Johnson.

354082 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to DanClarke, #1238 of 2161 🔗

LOL I saw that. I did have a giggle.

354181 ▶▶ mj, replying to DanClarke, #1239 of 2161 🔗

and at least in Iraq the sun shines

354217 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mj, 7, #1240 of 2161 🔗

A colleague of my former husband told us that ordinary Iraqis were the nicest people you could wish to meet. Would make a nice change from covvimorons.

354260 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 3, #1241 of 2161 🔗

Ditto Iranians.

354055 Jez Hewitt, 12, #1242 of 2161 🔗

Toby,

Danny’s earlier comment about Bruce Willis has got me thinking – Hollywood fucked you by casting Simon Pegg (charming and talented as he is).

One thing is for sure, this glorious site is taking ‘How to Lose Friends and Alienate People’ to a whole new level.

Free speech is the cheapest, broadest and most complex bullshit detector society can have and I truly thank you for providing this platform.

Fuck the government.
Fuck the virus.
Fuck woke.

And now I’m gonna fuck off and do some work. Keep slugging away.

354060 PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 40, #1243 of 2161 🔗

I do wish Toby would stop talking garbage about “antivaxxers” as if that was a legal status. There are people who for various reasons, often bitter personal experience, are cautious about vaccine products – the ploy of the industry and of political cronies like Prime Minister Johnson who want to delegitimise valid criticism is to label anyone voicing it as an “antivaxxer” and this truly is hate-speech. Nothing can ensure that vaccine products are dangerous more than preventing people from criticising them. If you believe in free speech stop gaslighting people.

354076 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 11, #1244 of 2161 🔗

I agree wholeheartedly I get sick of hearing it too. If people don’t want vaccines because they have had bad experiences why should they not be against them. Toby told Delingpole on the latest London Calling that he still entertained the idea of a possibility of a place in the House of Lords. That presumably explains the back sliding. I noticed that him and Delingpole are now so far apart that they had to agree to only talk about movies. I suspect that show’s days are numbered.

354091 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Boris Bullshit, 9, #1245 of 2161 🔗

I would say you can turn down vaccines because you are against coercion and moves to make them mandatory. Never mind the health implications.

Stand up for those that will be vilified.

354188 ▶▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1246 of 2161 🔗

Vaccines come with the mantras “vaccines are safe and effective” or “the benefits greatly outweigh the risks”, but they are just products. With the present rush to market they are probably even less safe than usual and (1) people, everyone, should do detailed homework before accepting them (2) not be held to ransom. What would have happened in February of last year if Hancock had said everyone should make sure their Vitamin D levels were up to scratch rather funding the Oxford vaccine with its first £20m of public money. The best you can say is that we are dealing with new technology and it could go off in any direction.

354080 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 7, #1247 of 2161 🔗

There is a nicer sounding category – ‘vaccine-hesitant’.

354114 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #1248 of 2161 🔗

Yes – that was devised by the WHO a couple of years ago when they were beginning to ratchet up the hysteria: the named “vaccine hesitancy” as a threat to world health but it it is all part of the same game. I recall seeing the ghastly Dr Sarah Jarvis on TV saying that “vaccine hesitant” was just a polite term “antivaxxer”, need one say more?

Well, how about vaccines are industrial products which can go wrong, which also require informed consent before administration?

354574 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, #1249 of 2161 🔗

I don’t hesitate for a nano-second before deciding I don’t want a vaccine, any vaccine.

354159 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #1250 of 2161 🔗

Also vaccine aware.

354098 ▶▶ Wilko, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 6, #1251 of 2161 🔗

And also referring to positive tests as cases, or new infections. Lets keep it as accurate as we can. A positive test is only a positive test, not an infection or a case

354156 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, #1252 of 2161 🔗

Did TY use that term? If so I agree it’s not good

I don’t think he’s holding back so he still has a chance of a seat in the Lords though

354230 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Julian, #1253 of 2161 🔗

I fear so.

354195 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 6, #1254 of 2161 🔗

Toby is only in favour of a limited subsection of approved free speech.
Its why delingpole called him a cuckservative.
Toby also appears to believe that Biden won the US elections, there was no fraud and that Epstein killed himself.

354234 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1255 of 2161 🔗

All bollocks obviously.

354061 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 41, #1256 of 2161 🔗

Seems to be still getting worse out there. Every time I go out now I encounter manic swervers who treat me like a diseased plague carrier…..getting seriously pissed off with it. Just now it was in the Co op where I never get any aggro from the staff. It was a fat female customer in her 50s who almost climbed the shelves to get away from me and went the other way rather than pass me. I thought she was going to say something but my expression probably deterred her. If she is that worried about her health why not slim down and stop eating the pies. She might find there is more room down the isles that way too!

354070 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Boris Bullshit, 24, #1257 of 2161 🔗

This is what gets me, if they are that bloody frightened why the hell are they going out?

354153 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to kh1485, 12, #1258 of 2161 🔗

They think we are the ones who should stay inside. The government has convinced them that it is our responsibility to keep them safe, and if we’re not willing to do whatever it takes then we are ones who should stay home so they can shop “safely.” They are in the majority, unfortunately, and the hysterical morons also think they’ve got the moral high ground which emboldens them further.

354254 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1259 of 2161 🔗

I owe them nothing and vice versa.

354248 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 6, #1260 of 2161 🔗

And why are they not wiring their jaws up if they are that scared. They don’t seem to mind the risks of being morbidly obese. How stupid can they get?

354296 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #1261 of 2161 🔗

This is interesting – I was thinking earlier and was about to post something about people who are heavier. It’s well known that being overweight increases the risk of dying from covid. So, do overweight people who profess to be worried about their covid risk try improve their chances by doing something that is within their control i.e. try to lose some weight? With all the usual caveats about how difficult it is and how some peoples’ genes make is harder for them to do so, but we have all had pretty much a year for the genuinely worried to make those changes and reduce their risks. Is Slimming World seeing an uptick in customers?

354078 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #1262 of 2161 🔗

Same here, I have had no issues with staff , but a few other customers in places have looked upon me as a leper.

354079 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #1263 of 2161 🔗

Hahaha “climb the shelves”!!

Or don’t go out shopping in the first place…

354257 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #1264 of 2161 🔗

I have never been made to feel a leper like this in my life….its a very odd experience but it makes me very angry.

354374 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #1265 of 2161 🔗

A friend told me of another customer who tried to avoid her and ended up crashing into a pile of cereal boxes which promptly collapsed on her. She had to resist the temptation to laugh and say “serves you right.”

354081 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Boris Bullshit, 11, #1266 of 2161 🔗

I often challenge such people by saying ‘I’m not a leper you know’. No answer.
On the other hand when people do NOT swerve away I try to thank them.
For the swervers I often swerve TOWARDS them.

354265 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Stephanos, 2, #1267 of 2161 🔗

Yes its fun that game!

354084 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Boris Bullshit, 17, #1268 of 2161 🔗

“If she is that worried about her health why not slim down and stop eating the pies.”

My words to my parents about my youngest brother, who is an absolute dandelion (woke, millennial, Guardian reading leftie), were that if he is that concerned about COVID19, he should lose weight and a lot of it.

They didn’t go down well.

354092 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #1269 of 2161 🔗

Haha exactly. There sheeple are so thick!

354101 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Boris Bullshit, 11, #1270 of 2161 🔗

If your only sources of news are the BBC and the Daily Mail, as it is for most people in this great country, then ignorant behaviour is to be expected.

354105 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #1271 of 2161 🔗

Or even stay in and get deliveries.

354367 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #1272 of 2161 🔗

Reminds me of that visitor I had screaming at me that people weren’t social distancing. Funny thing was the vast majority of our visitors were already muzzled and she still didn’t feel safe. It took all my willpower to resist asking her “so why are you here then? You should have stayed at home.”

354411 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Boris Bullshit, 6, #1273 of 2161 🔗

Woman in our village who I know well just released from hospital after a bout of Covid went on local social media to warn everyone to wear masks and stay at home because “Covid is real”. I refrained from pointing out that 1. She weighs 30 (yes 30!) stone 2. she has angina 3. She’s 60 years old and 4. she bloody well survived despite 1-3 above!

354644 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1274 of 2161 🔗

Blimey not much chance of social distancing with her then lol!

354760 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1275 of 2161 🔗

30 stone! Can she fit through ordinary doors?

354063 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #1276 of 2161 🔗

I remember during the time when ISIS was big news, there was a story about one of their members being made to publicly execute his mother.

Although not quite as extreme I can see a lot of parallel between ISIS and what people are being encouraged to do to each other here.

354067 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1277 of 2161 🔗

War on terror/war on covid. Both no so different really.

354134 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to leggy, 5, #1278 of 2161 🔗

BBC iPlayer has an interview with John Le Carre from 2008 remarking about the War on Terror that you might as well have a War on Influenza – little did he know, though I guess he lived to find out.

354140 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 5, #1279 of 2161 🔗

He possibly knew more than most about the ways in which the “War on Terror” is manipulated. ISIS, mentioned above, are an egregious example of this.

354258 ▶▶▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #1280 of 2161 🔗

He already had a pretty good idea: he was saying even then that real power had shifted from the US and Russia to global interests to which ordinary people were at best incidental. Perhaps, he didn’t quite foresee the Covid debacle but he was very angry about how we had all been betrayed after the Cold War. He was asked whether he was nostalgic for it: he said yes because then we had hope. But this is the reality which even the people who run this blog don’t seem to get. They seem to think this was all an accident.

354279 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 1, #1281 of 2161 🔗

Yes. “Cockup over conspiracy”- right up there with “The old lie: dulce et decorum est…” One of their greatest triumphs has been to convince the vast majority of people that- unlike the godless Russkies and their five-year programmes- they never actually plan anything.

354176 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to leggy, 4, #1284 of 2161 🔗

Nope, we’ve had the Muslim terrorists, lone wolf gunmen and now the invisible virus.

War on terror, war on drugs, war on covid, war on humamity

354068 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1285 of 2161 🔗

… there was a story about one of their members being made to publicly execute his mother.

Hands up who believed it ?

354072 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to JohnB, 3, #1286 of 2161 🔗

That’s a good point, it may well have been part of the propaganda.

354094 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1287 of 2161 🔗

Closer to home, the Irish mother and baby scandal makes for a grim, evil assessment of humanity, including the parents of the poor girls.

354086 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #1288 of 2161 🔗

Retailers’ legal responsibility to disabled customers

Retailers must not discriminate against any customers using their service either in-store or online. This legal requirement still applies during the coronavirus pandemic, when many retailers will be adapting how they deliver their services due to social distancing and online delivery slot pressures.

This guide is a reminder of:

  • your legal responsibilities to customers to make sure you are not discriminating
  • your obligations to provide reasonable adjustments for disabled customers

Four steps to ensure you are making reasonable adjustments
Step 1. Provide a service that meets all customer needs

  • Be aware that the law protects customers from direct and indirect discrimination
  • You must make adjustments for disabled people to use your service, where reasonable

Step 2. Plan ahead for your customer needs

  • You must anticipate and prepare in advance to meet the needs of disabled customers
  • Consider and make changes to your store’s policies, procedures and physical environment

Step 3. Communicate with your customers

  • Tell them about the support available through different forms of communication
  • Ask them if they need extra support
  • Keep in mind that some customers may need you to remove your face mask if they lip read

Step 4. Provide staff training

  • Show staff how to help customers shop safely while social distancing
  • Ensure they can support customers with a range of impairments, including less visible disabilities
  • Explain government guidelines on face coverings to make sure they don’t discriminate against disabled people

Why this is important
If you make decisions that discriminate against customers with protected characteristics, such as older or disabled customers, you may be at risk of:

  • having a claim brought against you
  • costly compensation fees
  • reputational damage

Following equality law helps you as a retailer to contribute to a fairer society where everyone is valued and has the same access to services.

Good retailers not only understand the ethical case for providing reasonable adjustments, but they also know that it brings financial rewards by expanding their customer base.
You may think that your service is fully compliant with the law and that you already provide reasonable adjustments for disabled customers, but check these four steps to make sure your organisation isn’t at risk of breaking the law by not following the Equality Act .

Last updated: 04 Sep 2020

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/retailers’-legal-responsibility-disabled-customers

354205 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 1, #1289 of 2161 🔗

Must print this out and take it everywhere. Disgusting that it should be necessary.

354096 liztr835, replying to liztr835, 40, #1290 of 2161 🔗

I am sickened today by the discrimination against the disabled in supermarkets. Many cannot wear a mask for various genuine reasons, and a large amount of people think that they should be taken out of society and made to stay in their home, without leaving it, as if they dont wear a mask they are putting peoples lives at risk.

Anyone with a brain can read the many research papers done pre-covid to say they dont work, even Whitty and Jenny Harris confirmed this back in March last year, I have had it confirmed to me by medical professionals on the quiet, and yet, in a few short months people have become utter bigots, convinced their old mask made out of a shirt works.

The disgusting masks most virtue signallers wear, filthy rags, been worn without washing for days and weeks on end, then having the cheek to come near me breathing god knows what on me, I find it totally disgusting. It is terrible that in a few short months normal people have been turned into nasty bigots with no empathy for their fellow human.

354110 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to liztr835, 20, #1291 of 2161 🔗

I was composing a separate message to address this but you have said it all. My level of misanthropy went into overdrive last night in response to the disgusting, repulsive and bigoted comments on the BBC website last night. Never before have I held some of my fellow humans in such contempt.

354133 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 7, #1292 of 2161 🔗

Whatever you do, don’t take BTL comments on al-Beeb as a genuine vox pop . I and at least one other from here tried to comment on that thread last night- I merely pointed out the uncontroversial and incontrovertible fact that the 77th Brigade were putting in some evening overtime- and both our comments were removed, mine because it was apparently off-topic.

354251 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to liztr835, 10, #1293 of 2161 🔗

The sheeple were nasty spitfull selfish ignorant brainwashed scared cowed jelous angry bitter vindictive and nasty before the covid bomb was dropped. It just that we can clearly see WHAT the masses are like now.

Personally I have been avoiding society for most of my life because of way people are.

Don’t get me wrong, I give everybody a fair crack of the whip but if they are what I might say “normal” then they will have all these super attributes and I will stay out of their lives and keep them out of mine.

Sadly our bastard government has empowered these bastards to intrude into every aspect of my life. I haven’t engaged with society since March really with a few notable exceptions.

354305 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to liztr835, 4, #1294 of 2161 🔗

Yes indeed – the Government decided that it was the right thing to discriminate against the disabled. Nice!!

354314 ▶▶ jb12, replying to liztr835, 5, #1295 of 2161 🔗

They have not transformed, they were always bell-ends. You just never noticed before.

354739 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to liztr835, 2, #1296 of 2161 🔗

I just see the brainwashed maskoids as fair game now. If any confront me for not wearing a mask I just state in a short reply just how gross they actually are e.g. “how is your mould ridden germ rag today because your breath totally stinks”? My tactic is to now just gross them out.

354099 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 16, #1297 of 2161 🔗

How’s it going in Scotland?

In December a pre-emptive strike was made against the forces of Covid. Tough action was needed to avoid the need for tough action later on.

Just after Christmas a further pre-emptive strike was made in order to avoid the need for further restrictions.

Today we declared the success of the previous actions by announcing further measures.

354111 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1298 of 2161 🔗

We will not win this war until the total elimination of all viruses – all 10 to the power of 31 of them. Let’s go for it. Let’s push them off the face of the earth.

354145 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Nobody2021, #1299 of 2161 🔗

More Batshit Bullshit

354100 Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 16, #1300 of 2161 🔗

I believe Vargas99 requested this earlier, courtesy of SamVimes’ joke.

354164 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 2, #1301 of 2161 🔗

Cheers Pangolin!

354102 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 11, #1302 of 2161 🔗

More incoherent inconsistent and illogical bollocks from the demented dwarf:

“ only work for “maintenance, upkeep and functioning” to be allowed, rather than for example painting and decorating.”

For a bear of simple mind such as myself: can anyone please explain in words of one syllable in what way painting and decorating cannot be considered to be maintenance and upkeep?

354125 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #1303 of 2161 🔗

Does she explain why we can’t decorate?

354172 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to DanClarke, #1304 of 2161 🔗

Depends what she means by “decorate” 😉

354166 ▶▶ leggy, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #1305 of 2161 🔗

Exterior painting and decorating is definitely a maintenance item. I guess they didn’t differentiate?

354196 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 5, #1306 of 2161 🔗

She is a fucking loon

354106 Christopher, replying to Christopher, 23, #1307 of 2161 🔗

So the Mrs got hassled by some masked slave Dickhead while out walking the dog , yes that’s right in the street and one of this area’s quieter streets to . She told her that if she is so dammed scared just to bloody well stay away from her . Now I would have just filled the air with expletives with my low brow Cockney accent but the Mrs is a bit more educated and refined the myself so she’s not one for confrontation.
Any suggestions for a quick snappy retort for that doesn’t involve the obvious ” Oh Just Fuckoff will You “

354107 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Christopher, 19, #1308 of 2161 🔗

I hope you live to 100 in your new faceless world.

Trust me it really gets them riled.

354136 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1309 of 2161 🔗

I particularly like this one , it shall be used .

354108 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Christopher, 9, #1310 of 2161 🔗

My freedoms don’t end where your fear begins?

354116 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Christopher, 6, #1311 of 2161 🔗

‘Paranoid’, then if they refuse to accept it, ‘ well mental issues then’

354118 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Christopher, 1, #1312 of 2161 🔗

That’s a coincidence- my missus is considerably more refined than I am too! Mind you, I’m a scouser and she isn’t, so I suppose it’s a given…..

354131 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #1313 of 2161 🔗

Oddly enough the Mrs lived in Liverpool for a number of years . She’s now ” darn sarf ” stuck with some cockney Oik .

354119 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Christopher, 2, #1314 of 2161 🔗

They don’t work.

354123 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Dame Lynet, 7, #1315 of 2161 🔗

What don’t work, scousers? Youse sayin’ I’m skivin’?

354121 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Christopher, 15, #1316 of 2161 🔗

Burst out laughing. Much more effective than any insult, and especially withering to those that place huge importance on the opinion of others and have a desperate need to fit in. It’s also fun, and nips any argument in the bud. If they do respond, just laugh even harder. 🙂

354126 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Christopher, #1317 of 2161 🔗

Sorry about the typo’s , Blimey ! you can tell I’m a builder .

354198 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Christopher, 1, #1318 of 2161 🔗

I get them. They are caused by Wrath.

354141 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Christopher, 10, #1319 of 2161 🔗

“Haven’t you heard? It’s all over the news. The rules have changed.

Unless you have an exemption, you may not leave your home for any reason. The police are enforcing £10,000 fines. Don’t just stand here berating me. You need to go home quickly before a policeman sees you. And stay there. “

354220 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Christopher, 4, #1320 of 2161 🔗

‘You have enough virtue for the two of us. You’ll shine in Heaven’

354261 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Christopher, 3, #1321 of 2161 🔗

Tell em you have had the jab.

354378 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Two-Six, #1322 of 2161 🔗

Oh Yes , good point . The blessed miracle jab .

354371 ▶▶ landt2020, replying to Christopher, 4, #1323 of 2161 🔗

I was just out for my Daily Exercise (TM) and my 10 mile route took me along a canal and through a village close to the sea. I had to check the news on my phone to see whether outdoor masks and a 5m social distancing requirement had been brought in. Some people were literally jumping into the edge of the canal rather than pass me on the 3m wide towpath. One couple, fully masked up, walked up someone’s drive and waited for me to pass rather than pass me on the pavement. I looked at them like they’d gone completely mad because, of course, they have. I ended up having a bit of fun, taking ages to walk down the path while idiots stood with their feet in puddles, or precariously balancing halfway up embankments to get away from me.

Of course it could have been that I only have the 10 fingers, unlike many of the residents of this part of the world, and they were just scared of that.

354395 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to landt2020, 3, #1324 of 2161 🔗

My part of Essex has been for the most part been a bastion of sanity but it seems the ramping up of the terror campaign has taken its toll and people seem to be giving into the fear and loosing their tiny minds .
As we have all said on here from the start , ” if you are so dammed scared why are you outside ” ?
I was think of just walking past them very slowly coughing while mumbling something along the lines of ” I just can’t seem to shake this covid thing off ” 😉

354788 ▶▶ Lowe, replying to Christopher, #1325 of 2161 🔗

In The History of Mr Polly, Polly had a neighbour, Rusper, who had “the most egg-shaped head he had ever seen”. “When he found an argument growing warm with Rusper he would say , ‘Boil it some more, O’ Man; boil it harder!’ or ‘Six minutes at least,’ allusions Rusper could never make head or tail of”. One day, arguing about whether there would be a war with Germany Polly shouts out “Oh, boil it hard!” Sadly Mrs Rusper heard and understood and Polly’s friendship with Rusper was never quite the same…

354109 Ceriain, 6, #1326 of 2161 🔗

All the talk of vaccine passports and the other inevitable (IMHO) tracking methods to come reminded me of the novel “The Circle” by Dave Eggers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Circle_(Eggers_novel)

One of the most interesting things about the book is that, at the time of publication (2013), Eggers, and the book, were slammed by most online critics and ‘techie’ websites; the biggest criticism being that he was “exaggerating”, and that “this will never happen”.

I actually bought it not long after it came out; it was recommended by a friend who told me, “You should read this; what a load of rubbish this guy has made up.” I read it and told my friend, “you call it made up, I say it’s prophetic!”

Unsurprisingly, as I said at the time, most of the the things Eggers ‘predicted’ in the book either have happened, or are happening. I remember telling Mrs C at the time “This is where Facebook and the World will end up.”

It’s worth a read.

By the way: ignore the film version if you are tempted to watch that as a shortcut instead of reading the book; it’s bloody awful! It has the dreadful Emily Watson in it, and what Tom Hanks was thinking of by taking a lead role, I’ll never know.

354113 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1327 of 2161 🔗

Somebody posted this earlier.. It really does put everything together

https://happen.network/

Share and share more, even with those lock down zealots , it really is well put together and made me quite emotional watching it.

FB haven’t banned it yet!

354197 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1328 of 2161 🔗

I watched it earlier from whoever posted it and made me a bit teary too.

354312 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1329 of 2161 🔗

I had to stop watching. If this is the future then it’s a ‘no’ from me. Want my old life back.

I joked today about them microchipping new borns. Having taken a look at this, perhaps I wasn’t wide of the mark. Mind you, I’m old enough to remember when computers were first becoming a thing and they promised then that we would all have loads of leisure time. Don’t remember that happening, so perhaps this dystopian view of the future won’t either. As someone said the other day, they can’t even make a Vauxhall Zafira that doesn’t burst into flames so what chance is there of this happening. Hope they were right.

354345 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1330 of 2161 🔗

I just got to the end. Actually, once you get past the scenes of utter horror and the realisation that this all goes so deep, there is real hope. We are in a war. We CAN win. I believe the human spirit will be victorious.

What really hit home is the penny dropped regarding the riot police being sent in to handle peaceful protests. It was so that the general public believe that anti lockdown protestors were violent even though of course they weren’t!

354410 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1331 of 2161 🔗

excellent watch!

354506 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1332 of 2161 🔗

Great vid. I’d sent it to some zealots I know, but I don’t think they’re ready for some of that yet. I’m not sure they will be until it’s too late. I suppose I should at least try.

354130 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 49, #1333 of 2161 🔗

Beeb live feed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55643842

‘Why would I put my staff at risk?’

5 Live’s Your Call programme asked listeners whether they felt safe going to work at the moment.

Fiona runs a nursery in East Finchley. She has asthma and has taken the decision to close the nursery
to keep safe.

I don’t believe for a moment that is safer to be around babies and young children than it is to be around other parts of the population ,” she said.

“The implications [of closing] are horrendous, I haven’t had a penny of support.

“But I’d rather be alive and facing a mountain of debt than have people mourning at my grave side. I
feel thrown under the bus being told I can open and that it’s perfectly safe.

She chooses to close because she’s scared babies will kill her. She then complains the Government won’t pay her.

Idiot of the Day nomination on its way to her.

354138 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ceriain, 21, #1334 of 2161 🔗

The word ”safe” is beginning to wear a bit thin.

354158 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Banjones, 17, #1335 of 2161 🔗

The dictionary definition of ‘safe’ has now been officially changed.

Old definition – Free from danger.
New definition – Free from work.

354144 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ceriain, 16, #1336 of 2161 🔗

Ironically, many people have made the decision that they’re rather be dead than face a mountain of debt. Not in small numbers either and I have no doubt that number is and will continue to be on the increase.

354165 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to leggy, 9, #1337 of 2161 🔗

What are you saying here?
Is there going to be a mass suicide pact amongst cabinet ministers?
One can only live in hope.

354284 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Old Bill, 3, #1338 of 2161 🔗

Indeed. It’s no secret that people consumed by debt decide to end it though, is it.

354148 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 16, #1339 of 2161 🔗

We cannot blame people for being scared when they have been subjected to a 10 month fear campaign by their government and most media outlets.

354179 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, 17, #1340 of 2161 🔗

I agree, but she’s been told opening is safe. What does she want to be told?

I’m asthmatic (severe at times), but I don’t shut myself away from the human race because of it.

Babies and toddlers get sick all the time; seems to me she’s in the wrong business if she’s that paranoid.

354227 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1341 of 2161 🔗

To be brutally honest she doesn’t sound intelligent enough to run a nursery. Parents would do better to find an alternative.

354236 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to ituex, 8, #1342 of 2161 🔗

I hate to say this but a lot of people involved in early years childcare aren’t very bright.

354667 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1343 of 2161 🔗

Best seasonal asthma year in ages (so far), no triggers (diesel fumes, strong disinfectants and cigarette smoke). Worse place for me is walking into local hospital with smokers outside and front entrance smelling like a 1970’s bus station.

354187 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to godowneasy, #1344 of 2161 🔗

Yes we can
100%

354192 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1345 of 2161 🔗

I agree. They have brains(?), they should use them.

354170 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1346 of 2161 🔗

She will go bankrupt and starve. It took me all of 0.0002 seconds to figure out whether she would deserve such a fate given her reasons for closing…

354184 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ceriain, 13, #1347 of 2161 🔗

It’s probably best not to leave your children in the care of a mentally ill hysteric with likely Munchausen’s anyway.

354204 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1348 of 2161 🔗

Far from being an idiot she is a quite clever but manipulative person if she gets her demands for money met by the Govt . Because it will be us putting our hands into increasingly empty pockets so that she can lie around all day, indulging her groundless fantasies.

354247 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Ceriain, 11, #1349 of 2161 🔗

“But I’d rather be alive and facing a mountain of debt than have people mourning at my grave side”
Does she have any idea of how many suicides are caused by mountains of debt ?
Pathetic woman

354295 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1350 of 2161 🔗

Its ok Fiona, us tax payers will pay for you whilst you lounge at home

354303 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1351 of 2161 🔗

Hear hear!

354308 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1352 of 2161 🔗

My son’s nursery stayed open, but all the staff started wearing masks all the time. Thankfully, I was able to switch him to another one that isn’t intent on psychologically damaging toddlers.

354317 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1353 of 2161 🔗

No consideration for the children, I notice.

354415 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Annie, 3, #1354 of 2161 🔗

No, Annie; interesting, that is.

Someone on here a while posted a Twatter conversation with some teaching union prats, congratulating themselves for getting BJ to u-turn on closing schools. Nowhere in the ‘conversation’ was there any consideration for children.

354357 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1355 of 2161 🔗

Jesus wept.

Sensible parents should boycott this nursery.

354660 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1356 of 2161 🔗

Her decision. Who ever thought going down a coal mine was “safe”?

354146 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 33, #1357 of 2161 🔗

We are undergoing the greatest Psychological Experiment in human history. Their is no ‘Going back to normality’.
This was a comment from someone listening to the Ivor C James D podcast this week.

The Normality that was stolen from us was an illusory normality that was eroding with time and the reason why we are in this mess now. We need to defeat these shysters and create a better Normal for the present and for future generations.

354150 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1358 of 2161 🔗

Who is doing it and why, do they know?

354168 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1359 of 2161 🔗

Ivor Cummings was quite explicit in that podcast about who he believes is behind it, and what he believes their motives are.

354302 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #1360 of 2161 🔗

Who?

354334 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to jb12, #1361 of 2161 🔗

Ivor Cummins- thanks for pointing out my spelling error!

354381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1362 of 2161 🔗

No, who does he think is behind it and what are their motives?

354423 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to jb12, 1, #1363 of 2161 🔗

Oh, sorry, I understand now- thanks for pointing out my spelling error anyway, I do tend to be a bit of a grammar-fascist!
Do a search- non Google, of course- for “Ivor Cummins The Delingpod”. The interview’s about 1.5 hrs. long but is well worth listening to.

354432 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1364 of 2161 🔗

Is there a synopsis or something that I can read? I can’t listen to podcasts or watch YouTube videos that are that long.

354190 ▶▶ Annie, replying to bebophaircut, 28, #1365 of 2161 🔗

Actually I liked my old normal. I liked it very much. It was called Living.

354221 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1366 of 2161 🔗

I’ll play their little game. I wanna see who blinks first. I don’t think it will be me.

354152 John001, 2, #1367 of 2161 🔗

Inside Health, R4 is discussing vitamin D
I don’t expect it to be impartial, but who knows?

354167 court, replying to court, 30, #1368 of 2161 🔗

Just heard from my wife visiting Morrisons watching someone being manhandled for not wearing a mask. The till lady said they now need a certificate from the doctor. Its absolutely crazy out there! I hope these supermarkets work out it’s more trouble than its worth doing the governments bidding soon.

354178 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to court, 19, #1369 of 2161 🔗

It’s not even humanly possible to get a certificate from a doctor at the moment as GPs literally won’t see you. When did the law change, if it did at all, and how will GP surgeries accommodate the ‘medical exemption’ letter when they don’t do as much as accommodate my request for a friction blood test?

354189 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Pebbles, 34, #1370 of 2161 🔗

the law didn’t change and GP’s surgeries just refer you to gov.uk if you ask for one. This is deliberate incitement by Patel, Wancock and the rest of them.

354289 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to vargas99, 8, #1371 of 2161 🔗

Indeed. The Government is unable to make the current guidelines stricter so is using the supermarkets to do their dirty work.

People should shop elsewhere is they are ‘manhandled’ at the door – local independent shops, Aldi, Liddl, online retailers etc

354194 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Pebbles, 17, #1372 of 2161 🔗

It’s not even humanly possible to get a certificate from a doctor at the moment as GPs literally won’t see you.

^^^^ This!

I am supposed to have full bloods done every March and again in September. My surgery (Fort Knox) has cancelled the March appointment 5 times since this all began.

No chance of getting exemption certificates for masks.

354210 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Pebbles, 23, #1373 of 2161 🔗

Why don’t we write out a letter.

I cerify xxxxx exempt

Signed – Dr H Shipman

354493 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stefarm, 4, #1374 of 2161 🔗

Add a few more names to make it sound impressive:
Dr H. Crippen
Dr J. Mengele
Nurse Beverley Allitt
Mr Reginald Christie (Home Remedies Consultant)

354185 ▶▶ court, replying to court, 11, #1375 of 2161 🔗

She’s now just popped in Tesco for a wee, 5! people on the door saying no masks, no entry.

354206 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to court, 21, #1376 of 2161 🔗

Load of Bollocks you do not need a certificate, the bastards accosting the customer should be changed with assault completely out of order,as a matter of interest where is the Morrison’s in question?.

354232 ▶▶▶ court, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1377 of 2161 🔗

North Bristol way

354372 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to court, 2, #1378 of 2161 🔗

Had no problem this morning in Malvern, though I did have a sunflower lanyard on. Maybe that is what they consider to be a ‘medical certificate’.

354283 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to court, 5, #1379 of 2161 🔗

Print this out and give to the door goons

Cabinet Office – GUIDANCE FOR FACE COVERING EXEMPTIONS
https://www.businesswest.co.uk/sites/default/files/guidance_for_face_covering_exemptions.pdf

Retailers’ legal responsibility to disabled customers
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/retailers’-legal-responsibility-disabled-customers

354291 ▶▶ Fred, replying to court, 4, #1380 of 2161 🔗

The IRA used to go on hunger strike when they wanted to embarrass the UK government. Maybe we should all go and sleep outside supermarkets with no masks on, refuse to eat, and do the same. See what happens. Of course, I realise that the situation isn’t quite the same. Unlike the IRA we’re not “poor, misunderstood, ill-treated victims of nasty brutish colonialism” (copyright: BBC since 1982). We’re cov-idiot, white supremacist scum. Nonetheless, part of me would be interested to do it just to see whether the authorities would either: a) organise the populace to throw rotten vegetables at us as we lay dying, malnourished and increasingly confused; or b) simply have the Army electrocute us with cattle-prods and then body-bag us under the terms of the Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Act 2019. We could run a book on it whilst we waited to die.

354307 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Fred, #1381 of 2161 🔗

The IRA hunger strike was the inflection-point of their most recent- and, one hopes, their last-, er, campaign.

354332 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1382 of 2161 🔗

Just don’t mention the “dirty protests”! There would be another toilet paper shortage for sure…

354421 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to court, #1383 of 2161 🔗

They should kick up shit – store is in the wrong as long as they stated “I am exempt”..

354173 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #1384 of 2161 🔗

Zoe update

new daily infections today 57,695 down from the peak of 69,958 – see graph below

total infected in society at peak here – https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

R continues to fall and latest value is 0.833 (8th Jan)

I expect R to level out – but at what? Wave 1 levelled out at 0.85

354174 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #1385 of 2161 🔗

daily new infected

354464 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #1386 of 2161 🔗

No – not ‘daily new infected’ : ‘daily Zoe reports’

There’s a profound difference. It’s always necessary to be precise about data – even more the suspect stuff.

354207 alw, replying to alw, 20, #1387 of 2161 🔗

From the Spectator lunchtime news;

“Retailers are clamping down on mask-wearing. Tesco, Asda, Aldi, Waitrose, Morrisons and Sainsbury’s have announced that shoppers not wearing masks will now be banned from stores, unless they are medically exempt. John Lewis had decided to suspend click-and-collect services.”

The retailers and Spectator should note that they cannot ban people from their stores because they are mask exempt. Went shopping locally today and was invited and welcomed into the stores to come and view the produce. Much easier to shop at small shops. Watch the big retailers loose trade. Custom is always hard to win back.

The Spectator has definitely gone downhill since Brillo seems to have taken up permanent residence in the south of France. Will be cancelling my subscription.

And in other news the husband had to travel on the M25 today says was busier than normal!

354225 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alw, 32, #1388 of 2161 🔗

What a bunch of wankers the govt and the stores are – almost everyone wears a mask – it’s 100% posturing, shameless attempt to scapegoat tiny minority for their failed lockdowns and the stores just play along with it – spineless tossers

354239 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to alw, 13, #1389 of 2161 🔗

Phoned my friend earlier who expressed concern for me if I get difficulties going shopping.
I have never seen my local supermarket that empty yesterday. They are glad for every customer.

354275 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 15, #1390 of 2161 🔗

Pedantic:

  • It is face coverings NOT masks
  • There is no such a thing as being medically exempt – the Government guidelines only covers Exemptions

John Lewis had decided to suspend click-and-collect services.

JL already in nose dive – this will definitely accelerate the downward spiral

354298 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Victoria, 8, #1391 of 2161 🔗

Crikey, they’ve full on PC for a while, now this, a recipe for disaster. I like JL but it is now off my list for good.

354346 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 4, #1392 of 2161 🔗

John Lewis lost out on two major purchases I made last year due to their ridiculous rules and I can’t be the only one boycotting them.

354515 ▶▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to Bart Simpson, #1393 of 2161 🔗

Shopped in their grocery arm, Waitrose, this morning. It was the emptiest I have ever seen it. We have been in other supermarkets in recent weeks and found them unusually empty. This looks like a sector in trouble.

354324 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to alw, 4, #1394 of 2161 🔗

I cancelled my Spectator sub last week.

354503 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #1395 of 2161 🔗

Thinking about it.

354419 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to alw, 3, #1396 of 2161 🔗

Been to quiet a few today delivering to in-store pharmiacies and Mrs Awkward went shopping by herself today – no they are not. My lanyard hidden in a pocket and half the time the son who is helping forgot to put his on and not one security guard or staff memebr questioned us.

Pyschological propaganda so the companies can pretend they are doing it but aren’t.

354483 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1397 of 2161 🔗

I got an email from Sainsbury’s today saying that non-mask wearers would be ‘challenged’ by door security. I note the careful use of the word. They did not write ‘asked to prove exemption’ – I assume what will happen is the doorman will simply say ‘do you have a mask?’ so that the exempt person then has to state he is exempt, thus keeping (sort of) to the Disability act. I tried to reply but Sainsbury’s does not seem to have an email address.

354471 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to alw, 2, #1398 of 2161 🔗

Yes, I’ve pretty much had it with the Spectator too.

354209 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 17, #1399 of 2161 🔗

BJ would like to report the operation is successful.
The patient is dead.

354216 ▶▶ alw, replying to Niborxof, #1400 of 2161 🔗

Lol

354238 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1401 of 2161 🔗

Have to laugh at the constant calls for who should be on the ‘high priority list’ for this vaccine.

The Government say Over 80s, people in care homes and NHS frontline staff, followed by the vulnerable and then down the last by age.

Over the last couple of days there have been calls for the following to get ‘priority’:
The Police
The Fire Service
Shop workers
Teachers
Nursery Staff
School pupils
University students

Today Bernard Jenkin has asked Bojo the Clown if people involved in vaccine manufacturing will be prioritised for vaccination.

Everyone wants to go first!

354241 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1402 of 2161 🔗

let them!

354292 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1403 of 2161 🔗

I vote for the MPs and their families and anyone else who wishes this on others but would not want it for themselves.

354412 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1404 of 2161 🔗

What about the truck and van drivers?

Not that many will take a vaccine that is, too sensible.

Had a few comments today doing LFT test deliveries – when the boss says “it’s the test kits arrived, we can start” more than one member of staff in front of me said “I’m not having that stuffed up my nose, I refuse the test” and this is in pharmacists and GPs.

354246 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1405 of 2161 🔗

1564 deaths* today.

BBC, Sun and Daily Mail will go into overdrive in 5… 4… 3… 2… 1.

*Deaths within 28 days of having had a positive PCR test; not necessarily of Covid.

354263 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1406 of 2161 🔗

*Deaths within 28 days of having had a positive PCR test; not necessarily of Covid.

not necessarily even ‘with’ covid given false positive rates and multiple testing of the same patient

354267 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steve_w, #1407 of 2161 🔗

Thank you, Steve; quite correct. 🙂

354622 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to steve_w, #1408 of 2161 🔗

And even if the deceased had had a subsequent negative test.

354269 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), replying to Ceriain, 5, #1409 of 2161 🔗

Some dating back as far as May 2020. All but 45 (aged between 39 – 102) had known underlying conditions.

354407 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), #1410 of 2161 🔗

Thanks, S.

354277 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1411 of 2161 🔗

The Covid is a remarkable thing. It prevents all other causes of death.

354281 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1412 of 2161 🔗

misattributed surely!

354253 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 23, #1413 of 2161 🔗

Hooray! The next new variant has been announced
DT: The Government is concerned about a new strain of coronavirus identified in Brazil, Boris Johnson has said.
He warned that it was unclear whether the Brazilian variant was “vaccine resistant”, along with residual concerns about the South African variant.

I was getting worried that there might have been am unprecedented plunge in fear levels.

354259 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #1414 of 2161 🔗

Life Covid is like a box of chocolates . You never know what you’re gonna get.”

354473 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1415 of 2161 🔗

Yes you do. All that’s in it are those horrible nutty ones that nobody wants, and the rest is all screwed up bits of wrapping papers.

354603 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1416 of 2161 🔗

I’ve always been wary of Forrest’s mum’s saying. I normally just look at the lining in the box that tells you what the chocolates are. 😉

354262 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Charlie Blue, #1417 of 2161 🔗

Hooray! Hooray!

354264 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #1418 of 2161 🔗

Didn’t take long. Think it was just yesterday I posted on the chances of a new one during the lockdown.

354356 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sarigan (Day 296 of lockdown), 9, #1419 of 2161 🔗

Yep, been saying the same at home. Another one or two ‘variants’, then the completely new virus, that the vaccine doesn’t work against (kinda like it doesn’t work against the Bat Flu).

354271 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #1420 of 2161 🔗

I noticed they downgraded the infectivity of the mutant strain from 70% higher to 30-50% higher. at some point they’ll admit is was just another strain like the 12,000 others

354288 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Charlie Blue, #1421 of 2161 🔗

Ha ha etc

354354 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1422 of 2161 🔗

What a surprise. Just paving the way for unlimited restrictions and repeated vaccinations.

354268 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #1423 of 2161 🔗

Ah, a Brazilian variant. That’ll be the next thing, then. All the more evil because it’s the worlds first right-wing variant.

354294 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #1424 of 2161 🔗

Wait for the Iranian one – there could be fireworks.

354362 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1425 of 2161 🔗

Perhaps they’re working through the alphabet like they do with storms … C next …

354450 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 1, #1426 of 2161 🔗

China have already made their contribution, so we’ll be jumping to D.
Djibouti sounds sufficiently exotic.

354366 ▶▶ wendy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1427 of 2161 🔗

Oh but, but, couldn’t we have one from China and Russia too. Let’s get a good mix going. We aren’t ever going to get out of this are we?

354436 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1428 of 2161 🔗

A Brazilian variant!
That’s nuts.

354482 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1429 of 2161 🔗

Waiting for the Mexican wave.

354272 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 14, #1430 of 2161 🔗

reply from my MP 10 minutes ago

I have been demanding that the Government sets out a clear exit strategy from the nightmarish cycle of Covid-19 restrictions. The roll-out of coronavirus vaccines must be closely linked to the relaxation of restrictions, with easements taking place at each stage of the immunisation programme. I am hopeful that is what the Government is working towards with a target date of getting all the most vulnerable vaccinated by mid-February.”

an MP ‘hopeful’ of what the government strategy is. can’t we just be told what the strategy is (if there is one)?

354282 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, 9, #1431 of 2161 🔗

Still sounds better than my MP, who could be replaced by an automaton that just repeats the CCHQ line and no-one would notice the difference.

354286 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to mattghg, 1, #1432 of 2161 🔗

Or mine who doesnt bother to answer anything

354304 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1433 of 2161 🔗

Mine is Rebecca Long Bailey!!!!!!!

354311 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to wendy, 4, #1434 of 2161 🔗

Snap. Useless waste of space.

354315 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to wendy, 3, #1435 of 2161 🔗

Oh, dear. You know how you can often console yourself by thinking well, there’s always somebody worse-off than me? Obviously that’s not available to you, is it?

354325 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1436 of 2161 🔗

lol

354335 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1437 of 2161 🔗

No point my contacting her. Graham Brady not too far away in South Manchester though.

354361 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to wendy, 1, #1438 of 2161 🔗

You are correct. I wrote to her before the November lockdown vote, just got the standard SAGE propaganda response.

354383 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to wendy, #1439 of 2161 🔗

Indeed he is- I know your home patch well. If I told you the name of our MP I suspect you might fall asleep while reading it- a timeserving nonentity whose legacy has been to preside over a reduction since 1996 in his majority from over 30k to just over 2. Given that this is now a marginal constituency I suspect he’ll not stand at the next GE- assuming there is one- and duly be kicked upstairs as reward for a life in public service doing exactly as he’s told.

354513 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to wendy, 1, #1440 of 2161 🔗

And mine’s Keir Starmer…

354539 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Alice, #1441 of 2161 🔗

I’m out. Will you accept the title deeds to my house?

354287 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mattghg, 4, #1442 of 2161 🔗

mine has replied to all my emails except 1. and they are his opinions (he is in the CRG). he wobbled over the mutant strain and voted the new lockdown. I sent him references on worldwide deaths we can expect from lockdowns from a world food program report. he didn’t reply to that one

354470 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to steve_w, #1443 of 2161 🔗

My guess is back-benchers don’t know what’s going on much more than the ordinary man in the street. If there really is a Great Reset coming, they will be surplus to requirements anyway, as all we’ll have is some sort of Star Chamber to run things.

354273 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 9, #1444 of 2161 🔗

Can anyone supply links/documents/websites etc to help fight the lockdown disease in soviet Scotland.

They are all laughing at us. No more being nice. Time to really take the fight to them. First, evidence.

There’s a real distinct lack of information up here let alone scrutiny of data.

354293 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to TheBigman, 1, #1445 of 2161 🔗

About Sturgeon’s crap record or the grossly exaggerated threat?

There have been a few articles in the Telegraph about her fiddling the figures

https://www.google.com/search?q=telegraph+scotland+covid+19+analysis&ei=cB__X8StCtSEhbIPoK-wgAo&start=10&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwjEpdXrqZnuAhVUQkEAHaAXDKAQ8tMDegQICRA1&biw=1809&bih=932

354363 ▶▶ Scotswifie, replying to TheBigman, 1, #1446 of 2161 🔗
354278 Nobody2021, 8, #1447 of 2161 🔗

If I was going on a journey I’d want it to be as painless as possible and certainly wouldn’t be happy paying a much higher price than I might have to get to the same destination.

However many have been duped into thinking in this instance the extra price was worth paying.

354290 wendy, replying to wendy, 18, #1448 of 2161 🔗

I just had a general letter from the NHS, Stephen Powis, inviting me to get my flu vaccination to protect my community and to protect the NHS. As I don’t want it and won’t be having it, I guess that makes me an irresponsible citizen who is not community minded, doesn’t care if others will die or if the NHS is overwhelmed. The only label for me will be that I am anti vaccine. I never saw myself as such, rather that it was my decision whether to take medications. I do feel the NHS has been sending a signal to people for a long time that it is too burdened to treat them. Not a good look.

I do fear getting flu and COVID vaccinations will become very coercive and more difficult to resist in the future. I wonder if something is building in all this about over 50s being a burden on the rest of society, perhaps it was already there?

My partner is an NHS nurse, he doesn’t want the flu vaccine and will resist the pressure to have it but he feels he will have to have a COVID vaccine. He would prefer not to, though doesn’t feel as strongly as I do, but feels he will come under increasing pressure to have it. He tells me all his colleagues are in a great rush to get their COVID vaccines, some trying to find ways to get to the front to the queue and arguing about their priority. He says it is a difficult environment to speak out about any reservations.

Sometimes I feel like I am living in a parallel world.

354306 ▶▶ leggy, replying to wendy, 4, #1449 of 2161 🔗

Yep, we’re all living in something half way between episodes of Black Mirror and The Twilight Zone.

The societal pressures to conform are only going to increase, regardless of the actual logic that should be driving such policies.

354338 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to wendy, 13, #1450 of 2161 🔗

I too got the letter yesterday. I’ve never had the ‘flu jab before and at 58 and healthy I don’t feel I need it. If they’re so overwhelmed and need to focus on the COVID jab roll-out why are they wasting time and resource on getting us to have the ‘flu jab? Surely by now – mid January – we’d have had it if we wanted it. I keep trying to stay positive but given the NHS aren’t there for anything for us now except pumping us with unnecessary vaccines etc I’m getting very suspicious, angry and depressed.

354344 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Andrea Salford, 5, #1451 of 2161 🔗

We would, I had a text and texted back decline. Seems we have to be hounded!!

I do feel we are more on our own in terms of health and social care. But maybe we actually always were and this has just highlighted all this!!

354347 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Andrea Salford, 6, #1452 of 2161 🔗

Me too. Someone yesterday said that the flu jab should be given in October for it to be effective. Why the hell are they trying to get those of us who don’t need it to have it now. Very odd.

354505 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to kh1485, 3, #1453 of 2161 🔗

Trying to clear the fridges and get paid for the jabs?

354360 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1454 of 2161 🔗

I am also uncertain about how effective it is, Tom Jefferson has done research on it. But we are headed further into medicalisation of life. Probably for younger folks it will end up feeling normal, just the way life is.

354342 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to wendy, 1, #1455 of 2161 🔗

Wonder if having your regular vaccinations will count as being a good citizen?

354353 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1456 of 2161 🔗

I think it certainly will, and so those who don’t, must be bad citizens!

354430 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to wendy, 3, #1457 of 2161 🔗

Answer.

My community has been destroyed by the government and it is the job of the NHS to protect me not the other way around, so I respectfully decline your offer.

354517 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to wendy, #1458 of 2161 🔗

Probably got shedloads about to expire.

354300 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 15, #1459 of 2161 🔗

Another victim of lockdown?

Thames Valley Police appeal to find missing woman Lisa Smith was last seen in Greenham Common

comment image

https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/33310/thames-valley-police-appeal-to-find-missing-woman.html

I know this lady fairly well. Know to the citizens of Newbury as “Laughy Lisa” due to her fog horn like trademark laugh. She was a regular in pubs about town and really a very well meaning, kind lady. With usually a very cheerful disposition, especially after a few shandies.

She is one of these ladies who finds life pretty hard. I can imagine life in lockdown has been absolute hell for her. Going to the pub and socialising was what she lived for and I am sure it kept her going.

I am seriously worried about how she is now. I expect they might find her dead.

354320 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1460 of 2161 🔗

There must be an accounting for all this.

354322 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Two-Six, 15, #1461 of 2161 🔗

I know a few people like that, hanging around the pubs is their life, they do nobody any harm. Their lives have been destroyed.

354326 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Two-Six, 9, #1462 of 2161 🔗

That is very sad. I suspect you will be proved right. Someone like her will have really struggled. All her support networks taken away and the constant fear agenda.

354339 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1463 of 2161 🔗

Reminds me of a neighbour of one of my colleagues who already had mental health issues before this shit show and deteriorated fairly quickly during the first lockdown.

Disappeared one day and the social workers and police searched for her but the suspicion is that she could have very well committed suicide.

354646 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, #1464 of 2161 🔗

I think this woman has been found and she is OK. Not 100% sure but I think this is the case.

354814 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, #1465 of 2161 🔗

She has definitely been found now. SHe is OK. TVP said so on FB.

354301 Basics, 2, #1466 of 2161 🔗

How many brain scrapes has the mulleted turd had? Are they testing her everyday? Isolation for her about now would give the rest of us a break from that awful face.

354313 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 4, #1467 of 2161 🔗

Bumping this video:

https://happen.network/

53 minutes

Very good and very positive I thought.

354329 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to rockoman, 1, #1468 of 2161 🔗

Does it improve? I had to switch off at the point that Elon Musk was going on about having a telephone in your head …

354343 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to kh1485, 1, #1469 of 2161 🔗

I had to fast forward Bill Gates

354349 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to kh1485, 1, #1470 of 2161 🔗

Yes gets better 🙂

354352 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to rockoman, #1471 of 2161 🔗

Thanks, I’ll give it another go then.

354379 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to kh1485, 5, #1472 of 2161 🔗

Gets very emotional when you see protestors being beaten up the world over.

354448 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1473 of 2161 🔗

Yes, you’re right. It moved me to tears. I found Robert Kennedy Jr particularly inspiring to listen to. The police thugs and their masters have blood on their hands.

354406 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to rockoman, 2, #1474 of 2161 🔗

If anybody can edit this video and just include the bit where BoJo talks about robots taking over the world and culling the human race, we can do a lot of damage with just that clip. Youtube banning a BoJo speach you say!!!! About 32 Min in.

354319 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1475 of 2161 🔗

Today’s hospital deaths in England. We appear to be playing catch-up, just a tad.

Wonder if the Beeb will mention how far back these deaths go…

Source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/COVID-19-daily-announced-deaths-13-January-2021.xlsx

354389 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1476 of 2161 🔗

No the BBC or any other MSM will bother showing a table like that to help give people perspective and not be so fearful. No maximum fear is needed!!!!

354401 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to wendy, 2, #1477 of 2161 🔗

Quite right, Wendy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55653161

To answer myself, the Beeb did not mention how far back the ‘date of death’ goes. Triggle only managed to say,

Today’s figures are affected by the weekend , which sees delays in reporting deaths that tend to translate into higher figures from Tuesday onwards.Currently around 800 to 900 people a day on average are dying once you take this into account.”

His “800 to 900” is also wrong; it’s currently just over 700 a day.

354420 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1478 of 2161 🔗

Looking at the source data (Table 2a deaths no pos test): So only 54 people in England have died in the last month NOT of Covid? really – give me a break

354442 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1479 of 2161 🔗

For anybody who hasn’t lost their sense of smell, the rat stench is overpowering.

Graph the data, and the incredibility is overwhelming.

It parallels the sudden incomprehensible rise of ‘Covid’ to the top of the causes of death.

A classic illustration of why we only have ‘all-cause’ mortality left as a reasonable indicator.

354321 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 9, #1480 of 2161 🔗

If this is a societal experiment, it must have been planned that they would have all of the psychopaths in place at one time to run it. Have they been recruiting for years for placemen/women, did they take them away, like Boris, and do something?. Or is it the normal requisite for the politician with a bit of tweaking to get them up to scratch for full psychopath mode? I look forward to the full enquiry.

354443 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1481 of 2161 🔗

OF ocurse the Corona Project has been in the planning since at least the late 90’s and it was given a face in 2010 with the Rockefeller “lockstep” document. They planned for this. They knew it was coming. They have been getting all the players in line, ready to go.

354462 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1482 of 2161 🔗

There was a quote in an interview in the 1990s from JFK Jr – something to the effect: – Once you run for Office you’re in.. & you better be damn sure.. & that your life is set to accommodate that. He knew exactly how it all worked.

354476 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #1483 of 2161 🔗

JFK Jr. actually seemed a halfway decent fellow with some charisma.

Of course he had to be suicided to ensure Hillary could carpetbag her way into the NY Senate seat that was opening up.

354532 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to awildgoose, #1484 of 2161 🔗

Small private aircraft can be very unsafe, can’t they?

354323 Julian, replying to Julian, 19, #1485 of 2161 🔗

Regarding the new Brazilian variant virus mentioned by the PM, this is either them grasping at straws or there is something more sinister going on.

They still have their fake cases and fake covid deaths, do they really need a new variant?

354327 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 14, #1486 of 2161 🔗

They’ve failed with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus 1 and 2 and they’re still trying to scare us with a Part 3?

Insanity and doing the same thing over and over springs to mind.

354333 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #1487 of 2161 🔗

I am not sure they have failed

Many still believe the fake statistics

Why pile it on with more new variants?

354328 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Julian, 4, #1488 of 2161 🔗

It’s unlikely to be more hairy than the current variant.

354331 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #1489 of 2161 🔗

Yes, but why mention it

I am starting to believe they have either gone stark staring bonkers and believe the nonsense they spout, or that they are indeed following an agenda and do not want this to end, ever

354341 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 3, #1490 of 2161 🔗

Are they perhaps gearing up for some additional restrictions – playing catchup with Sturgid?

354364 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, 5, #1491 of 2161 🔗

Welcome to the dark side. They are crazy, but not stupid. This will not end as not enough people want it to.

354375 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to jb12, 2, #1492 of 2161 🔗

Not so.

Nobody wants their own life to end.

But they do, all of them.

Even if they wear masks.

354368 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, 7, #1493 of 2161 🔗

It’s just incompetence. Over and over again.

If this continues I shall vote for a different party in the next election in 100 years time.

In fact I am so irate I think I might just write a letter to my MP.

That’ll show them.

354451 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 1, #1494 of 2161 🔗

OK, what’s your plan of attack then?

354427 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #1495 of 2161 🔗

Probably a mixture. Short-trousered morons like Gav (I laugh uncontrollably when I hear the words ‘Education Secretary’) are clearly incapable of intelligent thought; recidivists like Johnson and Patel would shit corkscrews if they swallowed nails.

354359 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Julian, 2, #1496 of 2161 🔗

According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Uk 9th in world with deaths per 1000,000 and brazil 25th.

354377 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Julian, 3, #1497 of 2161 🔗

I guess the Nigerian strain has been forgotten

354465 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #1498 of 2161 🔗

No, it’s out there, but you can only get it if you send your bank details.

354639 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Sam Vimes, #1499 of 2161 🔗

and birth certificate and passport.

354455 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 7, #1500 of 2161 🔗

If they can get the public used to the idea of endless new variants that require new vaccines, they can turn vaccinating the population into the equivalent of painting the Forth Bridge. It’s a perpetual-motion wealth-transfer machine.

354516 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Julian, 1, #1501 of 2161 🔗

Perhaps if (when?) people start dying in numbers from the vaccine the new Brazilian variant will be blamed for posing an insurmountable challenge to their immune systems. Maybe covering their backs? Just a thought.

354637 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Julian, 1, #1502 of 2161 🔗

It’s got lots of Maracas on it.

354330 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 13, #1503 of 2161 🔗

I have emailed Lloyd’s banking group (complaints department and CEO) to tell them that I believe their text stating a face covering is essential is discriminatory.
I will report back if I get a reply.

354445 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to WasSteph, 2, #1504 of 2161 🔗

Thanks – this is on my to do list, after a couple of relatives received text messages, you’re right they do indeed claim masks are “essential” with no mention of exemptions. Didn’t realise you actually could email a complaint, they have always been helpful, credit where it’s due, but I was always led to believe they operated a ‘phone contact only’ service (unless you’re in the branch, obviously).

354500 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1505 of 2161 🔗

There is a complaints email address which can be found on the online banking website although they do try to steer you to the phone number. Also the CEO email address can be found with an internet search.

354350 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #1506 of 2161 🔗

The doomsayer argument on all these variants (the few among thousands that make it to the headlines) is that they might render the vaccine less effective. The vaccine developers have already said it would take weeks at most to tweak the vaccines to take account of such minor variants. The whole variant spiel is just the latest ridiculous addition to a terminally chaotic recipe. Almost everyone, especially the media, needs – as Henry VII told his overmighty nobles – to “sit still and be quiet”.

354376 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #1507 of 2161 🔗

The new variants are being used as a plot device. However I am not reassured by the claimed ability to easily tweak the vaccine. Surely then the whole population will be perpetually be waiting for the next updated version and our freedom will be no closer?

354392 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1508 of 2161 🔗

No need to worry about that – upgrades will be downloaded as needed while you are sleeping – you won’t even know about it.

354468 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1509 of 2161 🔗

They’re just saying that so they can continue the hope-despair cycle of abuse indefinitely and make loads of cash doing so.

354351 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 17, #1510 of 2161 🔗

I swear blind that “they” won’t rest until they achieve the fabled 4,000 deaths a day to “prove” Funguson’s predictions.
Bloody liars.

354397 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1511 of 2161 🔗

If only Harold Shipman was still around, he could show them the way.

354405 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #1512 of 2161 🔗

It’s too late. That prediction was for December – and it was (=28000 p.w.) wrong by a factor of about x2.3 – and if all deaths were related to Covid. Given the reality (of far more dominant causes of death), the overstatement is in straight jacket territory for hysteria.

354456 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to RickH, #1513 of 2161 🔗

I have a few straitjackets you can borrow if you have anyone in particular in mind as occupants.

354630 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1514 of 2161 🔗

“Funguson” – I like that one!

354355 Steve Martindale, 7, #1515 of 2161 🔗

With regard to the current hoo-haa about face masks, I carry a note from a medical practice saying that following advice from the Gov/BMA they will not be issuing exemption letters, this is hopefully the link to that guidance which may be of some help;
https://www.ashfordmedicalpartnership.nhs.uk/media/content/files/face_masks.docx
I do not think it matters if it is not your medical practice you can just say that they have taken the lead on this and so you use their guidance.

354369 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 5, #1516 of 2161 🔗

“2020 saw most deaths since 1918 2008″
The fatality figures also include those who died because of the lockdown – suicides, untreated treatable conditions, ill elderly dumped in care homes, etc. Remove those and 2015 or so is a more appropriate date. Typical of the g*bsh*tes to use figures they have wilfully inflated in order to justify their position.

354398 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ken Garoo, 11, #1517 of 2161 🔗

That’s my only fear about using all-cause mortality as an argument that the virus isn’t the deadly killer they’ve made it out to be. The only number the government can’t fudge is all-cause mortality, and in most countries it’s quite evident that 2020 was not anomalous. However, I’m afraid all-cause mortality will increase due to lockdown and, therefore, will be blamed on the virus because the government will continue to incorrectly assign deaths to Covid.

354449 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1518 of 2161 🔗

A useful division is deaths at home versus those in care homes and in hospital – not many are going to sit at home dying of a respiratory illness.

354370 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1519 of 2161 🔗

Have we got any data on women giving birth within 28 days of a positive test? Or people having an X-ray with in 28 days of a pos test? Or, maybe folk getting their broken wrist set within 28 days of a pos test?

354373 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #1520 of 2161 🔗

Giving birth within 28 days of testing positive, the that’s two cases in one.

354390 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1521 of 2161 🔗

And possibly 2 ‘admissions’; one for going in to have the baby, and one if the positive test was while the mother was in hospital. That’s how they count admissions.

354382 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 14, #1522 of 2161 🔗

Isn’t it a denial human rights to prevent someone buying food?

354417 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ned of the Hills, 18, #1523 of 2161 🔗

I can only speak for where I live, but the stores are getting away with this because they offer delivery and curb side pickup options. That’s why I’ve decided that shopping in person for groceries isn’t the hill I’m willing to die on. If you try to force me to wear a mask outdoors, that’s when I become a law breaker. Force vaccinate? That’s a hill I will die on.

354384 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 15, #1524 of 2161 🔗

Well this is what you get for calling out the mask nazis on our local Facebook group. Apparently the religion of Lockdown is a protected characteristic which must be protected from hate speech!