Last updated2021-01-14T11:09:40



355172 bobdobbs0507, replying to bobdobbs0507, 6, #1 of 2159 🔗


355174 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to bobdobbs0507, 1, #2 of 2159 🔗


355175 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to bobdobbs0507, 1, #3 of 2159 🔗

Yes Gold!

357044 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to bobdobbs0507, 1, #4 of 2159 🔗

As real as this dystopian nightmare/ “dusk-’til-dawn-mare!

355176 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 68, #5 of 2159 🔗

More bullshit from PHE/SAGE/BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55651518
Past Covid-19 infection may provide ‘months of immunity’

Most people who have had Covid-19 are protected from catching it again for at least five months, a study led by Public Health England shows. 

Past infection gave people 83% protection from reinfection, compared with those who had never had the virus, scientists found. But experts warn some people do catch Covid-19 again – and can infect others .

And officials stress people should follow the stay-at-home rules – whether or not they have had the virus.

In other words: this shit is going on forever, suckers!

355183 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 35, #6 of 2159 🔗

How can they know since only a handful worldwide have ever been thought to have been reinfected?
Have they been playing with their models again ?

355196 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 16, #7 of 2159 🔗

If its Sage or PHE or BBC, playing with their balls probably.

355577 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Ceriain, 9, #8 of 2159 🔗

Pay particular attention to the article above regarding lockdown in China.

355727 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Ceriain, 12, #9 of 2159 🔗

6 reinfections in the whole world=’some’

356900 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Ceriain, 2, #10 of 2159 🔗

Course it is going on for ever, China needs it for a while yet.

357241 ▶▶ AethelredTheReadier, replying to Ceriain, 1, #11 of 2159 🔗

And apparently they (WHO and others) are saying that even if you do have the vaccine, you can still infect others i.e. it’ll always be here. Just watch Dr Simone Gold talking about vaccines in this vid. She really hits the nail on the head …. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=xFntHpk1uok

355177 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 141, #12 of 2159 🔗

There follows a rant in two parts. It just happened this way, and I have a busy day ahead of me, so I don’t have time to edit it. Bear with me, please, and accept its randomness.


Imagine that influenza just appears in the world overnight. A deadly new virus. Easily transmissible. Kills indiscriminately – young and fit people dead in a week. Children at grave risk, along with the frail, elderly and “Dry Tinder” (= those sad, frustrated, infection-prone people who never get matched on dating apps).

Yet for most, it’s an unpleasant but fairly mild infection.

We’ll call it “influenza”, say the astrologer-medics, because it is caused by an evil influence of the stars. And we don’t want to stigmatise any particular people or place. (Historical note: of course, until the advent of microbiology, people only had a vague notion of distinguishing between different diseases, so “influenza” was a general word for pretty much anything. The Italian for “scarlet fever” in the 16th century was “influenza di febbre scarlattina”. We wouldn’t make such infantile errors now. Nobody says “the flu” when they mean a common cold.)

Oh, no! It mutates! New strains appear! It’s almost as if it’s evolving because more easily transmissible mutations transmit more easily! People can catch it again, because they didn’t die of it the first time! It comes back every winter! Every rainy season!

Drastic measures are needed.

We must wear posies to keep away the evil miasmas. Hayfever sufferers and anthophobics may apply for an official exemption and a laminated certificate.

We must cease all morally reprobate activity. Let the theatres close! Brothels online only! Let the sporting arenas fall silent (but the matches still be played, lest we get hammered in the courts for reneging on contractual obligations)! Close the pubs – let them drink kombucha! It tastes like armpits but it does you good!

Let propitiatory dances be danced, two arms’ lengths apart!

What use is an education to a child if that child falls victim to an asymptomatic infection and recovers without even knowing she has had it? Close the schools! Let teaching be performed by telepathy. Let those without telepathic abilities look forward to a career in cleaning public toilets.

We must develop the habit of bumping elbows to greet each other. Because that doesn’t make us look like inmates in a lunatic asylum at all. (Urgent addendum arising from this: elbow-lickers must cease their dangerous activities at once.)

We must stay at home. Forever. Otherwise there will be no future.

Sorry, but no society before this one would ever have said to itself anything so utterly, destructively nonsensical as the shit we are saying to ourselves right here and now.


The Germanic languages, of which English is one, have no concept of future. Even the word “future” is borrowed from Latin. (Interestingly – although perhaps to many of you I am playing fast and loose with the word ‘interestingly’ here – “futurus” in Latin is an irregular suppletive future participle of the verb “esse”, “to be”, so even “future” in Latin doesn’t mean “future”, it means “going-to-being”.) The Old English word was “toweardness”. The modern German word is “Zukunft”, Dutch “toekomst”, which literally means “to-come”. Swedish “framtid”, “time ahead”. These concepts see what is to come from the perspective of now. What is to come, what we are going towards.

“Future”, on the other hand, floats out there as an ideal. Another place. It’s much easier to construct a utopia with the concept of “future” than with “toweardness”. Toweardness is building with what we have now. Future is imagining something completely unconstrained by present realities.

Make no mistake. It’s the “free beer tomorrow” conundrum. There is no “future”. There is only now, and now, and now. What you are tomorrow grows out of what you are today. Hiding at home and saying “it’ll be all right tomorrow” is self-imprisonment, and self-perpetuating.

There is no future in England’s dreaming.

355180 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 59, #13 of 2159 🔗

The care home worker who has had vaccine X2 and says
‘I hope this is all over soon’
I tell her that whitty has already said that the vaccine doesn’t mean you can stop wearing masks.

‘I’m alright with the mask actually, it’s not being able to go anywhere in the evening’

Not much future for her.

355274 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to karenovirus, 20, #14 of 2159 🔗

I observe so many people simply not paying enough attention to what is being said to them. They hear what they want rather than listening and they don’t seem to learn from past experience.

355209 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 41, #15 of 2159 🔗

On fire this morning, NN! The force is strong in you. Penny completely dropped now? The only way out is OUT! “Stay home” is the most evil message ever pushed on an unsuspecting public.

355254 ▶▶ b_sceptic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #16 of 2159 🔗

Who knew the Sex Pistols were so prescient?

Perhaps we should fill all urban spaces with protesters performing a country wide mass pogo!

At least that’s living.

“I gotta go over the Wall
I don’t understand this thing at all
It’s third rate B-Movie show
Cheap dialogue, cheap essential scenery
I gotta go over the wall”

355260 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to b_sceptic, 18, #17 of 2159 🔗

And blind acceptance is a sign,
Of stupid fools who stand in line

355369 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to b_sceptic, 14, #18 of 2159 🔗

Or as Sarah Connor says “The future’s not set… there is no fate but what we make for ourselves.”

355731 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to b_sceptic, 7, #19 of 2159 🔗

Yes, ironic that I as a deeply conservative person now think the ‘punk scum’ who I used to despise are right

356319 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to frankfrankly, 3, #20 of 2159 🔗

I went through that same strange epiphany about fifteen years ago. Had my teenage rebellion fifteen years late. Better late than never!

355424 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #21 of 2159 🔗

This might be a bit besides the point but I do like the word futurity . It b’aint be used much but one only has to read or hear it once to know exactly what it means.

356082 ▶▶ Binra, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #22 of 2159 🔗

The key theme I join with is the way that the mind is framed or structured by its own linguistic patterns and definitions.
The manipulation of mind – which is what is running beneath the ‘narrative’ pretexts for the right to judge reality so as to frame the claim for official funding, support and reaction – is all in the realm of language as a weapon or leverage or indeed masking over and redistribution of meanings.

So of all directions for freedom this is the most fundamental – for running under a false identity is a state of being phished or locked out of your true account by a stolen or mis-taken identity.

Everything is contracting or compressing to Now.
As part of a larger cycle of psychic regeneration.
For as you have rightly said, everything is always a Now – even in that our experience of past and future is a re-collect or anticipate – now).

However the now of a fleeting moment connecting past and future is when presence is so masked over by mental activity as to be ‘forgotten’ or displaced from a split or compartmentalised sense of awareness – and walled out as an interference to a focus given priority.

  1. Not now God – cant you see I’m busy!
  2. Don’t shine on me while I am in such a terrible state!
  3. Darkness is the new normal.

I cant of course qualify the numbers in my next statement, but for the gist of it I suggest we are using 100% of our brain or intelligence to construct the experience of having only 0.01% available. The idea of the brain as a filtering down of an Infinite is not new.

Looking within is not indulging our thinking as if it will find anything but more to think about, but going ‘upstream’ to the habit-normal of our thinking processes, is the shift of intuitive recognition which if accepted, opens a perspective from which to live.

The last proviso is against the temptation to marketise and weaponise the ‘New Wine’ of insight for the invested self-image. See how good ideas or insights are subverted by the need of ‘self-lack’ to mask in seeming to have substance or signal virtue.
Its a form of addiction that only true Connection and Communication can undo, and only as there is willingness to heal.

Many reading here can relate to deeply disturbing experience of a world gone mad, but are still looking OUT THERE for the connection and communication of Sanity or Answer.
This is not to say there is no help in the world – but that its nature is also a resonance with truth within ourselves and that is a quality of presence and perspective that changes everything as a result of an expansion of perspective. Living from the changed perspective is where valuing ourself and life has to replace old habits. Free will in a realm of ‘split choice’ means we have to WANT what we truly are. (As a result of masking in who we are not as an identity in a world of forgetting – that can no less serve as a world of remembering).

Questioning our thinking enables Consciousness. A term used like so many to denote anything BUT its original Meaning.

357100 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #23 of 2159 🔗

C.S. Lewis puts some reflections on the future into the mouth of the devil Screwtape, instructing a junior devil in the best way to bring souls to hell:

To be sure, the Enemy [God] wants men to think of the Future … just so much as is necessary for now planning the acts of justice or charity which will probably be their duty tomorrow. The duty of planning the morrow’s work is today’s duty; though its material is borrowed from the future, the duty, like all duties, is in the Present. This is not straw splitting. He does not want men to give the Future their hearts, to place their treasure in it. We do. His ideal is a man who, having worked all day for the good of posterity (if that is his vocation), washes his mind of the whole subject, commits the issue to Heaven, and returns at once to the patience or gratitude demanded by the moment that is passing over him. But we want a man hag-ridden by the Future–haunted by visions of an imminent heaven or hell upon earth– ready to break the Enemy’s commands in the present if by so doing we make him think he can attain the one or avert the other–dependent for his faith on the success or failure of schemes whose end he will not live to see. We want a whole race perpetually in pursuit of the rainbow’s end, never honest, nor kind, nor happy now, but always using as mere fuel wherewith to heap the altar of the future every real gift which is offered them in the Present.

355179 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 48, #24 of 2159 🔗

Maskerades: yesterday, the odd bloke next door, who lives in what resembles an airless tomb with his mother-(windows and blinds permanently closed)-emerged and caught me out.

Usually I manage to avoid them, but every now and then, I fail.

He looked like a bank robber; swathed in black , cap pulled down, black mask pulled right up, black bomber jacket.

What a thoroughly sinister sight; OK, I think he’s peculiar at the best of times, but this mass masking is entirely unsettling.

To state the obvious ,it’s disrupted normal social encounters and must be a heaven sent opportunity for would be criminals.

355198 ▶▶ Annie, replying to wendyk, 15, #25 of 2159 🔗

Doesn’t sound like the sort of bloke one would ever want any social intercourse with. Have you ever seen his ma? Is she allowed out?

355270 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Annie, 8, #26 of 2159 🔗

She is, but she’s as bad; she thinks the sun shines out of his nether regions and spent many months trying to manipulate me into some kind of hook up with said Norman-aka Shrek.

Gruesome Twosome! No friends, spend most of their time shut in the tomb,apart from a few forays past my living room window.

355679 ▶▶▶ Jeff241, replying to Annie, 5, #27 of 2159 🔗

She’s in a rocking chair…

355205 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to wendyk, 17, #28 of 2159 🔗

His name wouldn’t be Norman Bates, would it? and are you sure that his mother is still alive?

355223 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #29 of 2159 🔗

You could always ask to take a shower at his place.

355268 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #30 of 2159 🔗

It’s what I call him funnily enough’ He and Ma have been keeping tabs on me for the past 9 years, in the deluded hope that I would be the answer to his fantasies.
No chance!!!

355227 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 21, #31 of 2159 🔗

I tend to avoid men especially who are wearing masks like the plague. Especially if they’re wearing those black ones, in casual clothing and wearing a hat/beanie or have their hoodie pulled up.

Sorry to sound horribly snobbish and judgemental but if they’re in that get up to me I suspect they’re either a potential mugger or commit other types of crime.

Mr Bart was nearly mugged a few years’ ago and of course the police couldn’t help because he couldn’t describe what they look like. Why is that so? No prizes for guessing why.

355258 ▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #32 of 2159 🔗

I tend to look down politely but unsuccessfully hiding a smile, like “tsk, a strapping young man like that, scared of a tiny virus.”

355264 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 20, #33 of 2159 🔗

I’ve had the same thought as well.

I was reminded of that meme that was circulating around the time of VE Day where you had “1940 – facing certain death” and photos of those RAF aces taken presumably before they took on the Luftwaffe and into certain death. Side by side was “2020 – fear over a virus with a 99.8 survival rate” and a photo of a soyboy wearing a mask and cowering behind a chair.

We should probably circulate that meme and distribute it among the men.

355559 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 19, #34 of 2159 🔗

My (obviously unmasked) son says ‘Hello’ loudly to anyone he sees while walking round our village especially if they avoid him.

355267 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #35 of 2159 🔗

Agree Bart.

355435 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #36 of 2159 🔗

sounds like my current mode of dress. I know it makes people uncomfortable in the supermarket but I didn’t make the rules

356752 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #37 of 2159 🔗

To me, and I’m a bloke, men in black masks look like rapists.

355327 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to wendyk, 5, #38 of 2159 🔗

… and (including?) police.

355371 ▶▶ iane, replying to wendyk, 8, #39 of 2159 🔗

‘a heaven sent opportunity for would be criminals.’ – yup, that is the government summed up nicely!

355181 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 38, #40 of 2159 🔗

To breathe fresh air is a crime

We are all criminals now

355190 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, 55, #41 of 2159 🔗

The government’s message is: Stay at home. Compliance will of course ensure more and more people are vitamin D deficient, compromising their immune systems. One might almost think they want us to be unhealthy.

355203 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Steve Hayes, 27, #42 of 2159 🔗

Correct. The more deaths the better for them. This whole project is about culling the population because that’s what Bill Gates has ordered!

355252 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Janette, 8, #43 of 2159 🔗

Isn’t going very well so far according to ONS.

355829 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to karenovirus, #44 of 2159 🔗

ONS is looking the rear view mirror. LS and its readers were making the same mistake in Spring when ONS was indicating relatively normal mortality early on but this was before the bulk of registrations had been processed.

356491 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Mayo, 2, #45 of 2159 🔗

Looking forward, even ‘they’ will have a job at keeping the figures up, as nearly all respiratory deaths disappear as Spring approaches.

Though they still have the 0.5m daily PCR tests and the 28-day death rule to rely on.
The next fallacy will be that Covid deaths are falling in line vaccination coverage.

356638 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 4, #46 of 2159 🔗

I think you mean before tens of thousands of the elderly and infirm were kicked out of hospital at three hours notice.

ONS are still looking in their rear view mirror at 15560 lorry drivers in Kent, of whom only 36 tested positive, while the mutant ‘Kent covid’ virus was raging through the county.

I don’t know about you, but I went straight out and bought myself a lorry and a year’s supply of Yorkie bars.

Mark Twain refers

356848 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, 2, #47 of 2159 🔗

Did you hear Dr John someone, a pathologist, say the vaccine (presumably Pfizer) can trigger positive results in Covid tests? Seems highly likely to me given the nature of what the mRNA vaccine does.

357425 ▶▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Janette, #48 of 2159 🔗

Per Forbes (NOT renowned as a nexus of conspiracy theorists): Forbes: America’s Biggest Owner Of Farmland Is Now Bill Gates.

355664 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #49 of 2159 🔗

Good to see someone else shares this belief. I’ve thought for a long time that they want an unhealthy population as this makes large numbers of people dependent and of course there’s no money to be made in healthy people either.

356501 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #50 of 2159 🔗

If one gives credence to the putative Rockefeller document, as read out by the Ghanaian president, (who isn’t the Ghanaian president but could be an actual Govt official), then that was an intentional or at least anticipated outcome.
It was remarkably prescient (and is becoming increasingly so) for something that surfaced as early as June…

355228 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 29, #51 of 2159 🔗

Hence why this was never about health. Anyone who still think it is, is delusional and brainwashed.

This is large scale Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.

355182 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 45, #52 of 2159 🔗

Local Live excitedly informs that Covid deaths in the Region have exceeded 600.
Followed by ‘Grim UK total of 100,000’ and ‘Concern about new Brazil mutant’.

If that hasn’t scared the headline skimmers to death later articles inform us that reported deaths at the Major Regional Hospital for the past few days have been 1, 2, 3, 0, 1, 0(Wednesday).

Three of the four NHS Trusts in the County have covids occupying less than 10% of beds which is among the lowest in the country and the main hospital is at 17%.

NHS Overwhelmed by Tsunami of Coronovirus I think not.

Meanwhile there are three separate stories about suicides which are more explicit than they used to be in blaming lockdown as the cause of the victims distress.

355387 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 10, #53 of 2159 🔗

Where is thus 100,000 number coming from. We were at 68,000 with covid in December. There is no way we have had 32,000 deaths in Christmas and two weeks into January. Why has Carl Hennighan disappeared, has he been silenced?

355991 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #54 of 2159 🔗

It presumably includes Scotland and NI. 100,000 is a nice round scary number for a headline.

355725 ▶▶ iansn, replying to karenovirus, 5, #55 of 2159 🔗

The government are again claiming (via the death stats without realising perhaps)that over 60%+ of deaths attributed to COVID are again occurring outside of hospitals. As I have stated before its normally 90% of deaths in hospital. Assuming care homes are for the moment under control to some degree where are these deaths all happening ? hey most likely are all cause deaths which the single doctor is signing off as covid to avoid paperwork and the need for PM’s. This will all come out at the end of this and there will be a lot of guilty parties who have had a hand in this and said nothing. Kept the mouths shut and taken the money.

355185 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 86, #56 of 2159 🔗

Today’s edition opens with the rhetorical question: Do the facts matter anymore or is it just a matter of spinning a narrative…? The question is rhetorical because the answer is blatantly obvious. This “crisis” has never been about facts. The “facts” have been selected, and manipulated, and ordered, and ignored, and generally treated as tools in a zero sum game; weapons with which to defeat any opposition, rhetorical devices to justify policy choices.

The factual bases to the justifications for the responses to the coronavirus are little more than window dressing. For the responses, far from following “the science” are nothing more than making stuff up. When a House of Commons Select Committee asked for the scientific basis for the two metre social distancing rule, they were told: the precautionary principle. When the same committee later asked Whitty for the evidential basis for the government’s change of position on mandatory face masks, he admitted that the evidence had not changed. The introduction of Lockdown Version One was based, not on facts, but the outcomes of a computer model, a model based on erroneous assumptions, not facts. Before the vote in parliament on Lockdown Version Two, Valance told the nation, “The modelling, that’s the data we’re looking at.” Similarly, the justification for Lockdown Version Three was modelling: modelling based on unreliable and invalid testing (PCR) and assumptions about increased transmissibility of a new variant, an assumed rate that was, without explicit acknowledgement, almost immediately downgraded substantially and significantly.

In fact, everything about the “facts” has been dishonest spin. A constant tool in this process has been equivocation. All the key terms have been misused: coronavirus deaths, cases, hospital admissions, vaccine. Words that have clear meanings and are represented in the discourse of the narrators of this crisis as though they were using them in that way when they are in fact using them in a very different manner. It is not a matter of facts not mattering anymore : facts haven’t mattered ever in this.


355195 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Hayes, 50, #57 of 2159 🔗

There is just one figure that has not been manipulated and that is the ONS record of total registered deaths, to my mind this is the key figure to watch. I do not think anyone disputes this figure and yet so many who should know better ignore this figure in favour of the dubious daily scary death figures which are about as believable as a nine pound note.

Yesterday, would be Uberfuhrer Keir Starmer, was wittering on about the escalating death figures and many are claiming things are now as bad as they were in April/May. Ridiculous in week 15 in April we had 22351 deaths in one week against a 5 year average of 10497.
We have seen absolutely nothing like that in recent months and yet most do not, or choose not, to do this very simple and obvious cross check.

355197 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Martindale, 39, #58 of 2159 🔗

You are correct. The Office for National Statistics’ record of registered deaths is both valid and reliable. However, the promoters of the coronavirus crisis narrative do not base their justifications on those figures. Indeed, other than for a brief period (end of April), they have behaved as though those figures do not exist. The reason for this neglect of the registered death figures is obvious: they do not support the narrative that the coronavirus is an unprecedented public health crisis.

355216 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #59 of 2159 🔗

The ONS data is good for deaths. The Zoe data is good for community infections ( though it will pick up unrelated sniffles also). I generally assume the NHS and PHE are just making stuff up.

355513 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #60 of 2159 🔗

The ONS figures provide perspective… but of course that doesn’t fit the official narrative. For example this graph for the winter of 2017/18. 1800 to 2000 deaths per day is not unusual…

355225 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #61 of 2159 🔗

yes, this all cause mortality is a good figure but includes lockdown related deaths

it may have represented covid deaths in March/April, now you just cant say. deaths are a smidgen above 5 year average but so many denied cancer treatment, mass delusion, locked in homes, stress etc

355234 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 9, #62 of 2159 🔗

I am well aware that the coronavirus responses are lethal. They were predictably going to cause more harm than the virus ever could.

The ONS registered death figures are valid and reliable for all cause mortality; they are not valid for cause of death.

356790 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to steve_w, 7, #63 of 2159 🔗

Twat Whitty likes to tell us a load of Lockdown deaths are “on the Covid side”. I’d like to tell him a load of Covid deaths are on the Lockdown side. The lockdown-induced suppression of the immune systems of people who are socially isolated, deprived of contact with loved ones and friends, depressed, prevented from pursuing the exercise they love or have lost their jobs means they will be less able to fight off all diseases successfully; that will of course include Covid.

355398 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #64 of 2159 🔗

Did you see that shocking bullshit on the bbc, most deaths than WW1

355765 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Spikedee1, 9, #65 of 2159 🔗

UK Column featured it yesterday: https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-13th-january-2021

AlanG’s cov-hysteric brother also sent it to him with a crowing message that ‘it seems to contradict your figures’ (Alan’s figures had been from the ONS so, not wanting to abandon his little brother, he gamely – yet again – corrected the BBC shite for him with some more real figures.)

Said little brother (aged 67) is an evangelical Christian who is now serving two gods (God and Covid), although we don’t think he recognises this. He seems to rejoice at increasing death figures and stories about his local hospital being ‘overwhelmed’. He has hinted that we will collect our punishment (CV19 cooties) because of our sceptical views. Charming! MW

356363 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #66 of 2159 🔗

Sorry about your BIL, Miriam. My brother is also a cov-hysteric. 🙁

357111 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #67 of 2159 🔗

You cannot serve both God and Covid.
The churches have chosen Covid.
There is another choice.

356063 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Spikedee1, 9, #68 of 2159 🔗

Liam Fox MP slated the BBC over that in the Commons yesterday.

356248 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #69 of 2159 🔗

Good man!!

355186 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 40, #70 of 2159 🔗

So in order to be able to remove recovered patients from hospital and free up beds they are having to stop testing them. An admission by the government that a posituve PCR tests does not mean a person is infectious.


And this admission comes at the same time as PHE stating that immunity through catching the virus is actually better than the Oxford vaccine.


Refreshing to see that changes to the unscientific narrative / lies can happen, but why wait so long?

355187 ▶▶ Annie, replying to theanalyst, 11, #71 of 2159 🔗

This latest decision does not, of course, imply that frail, elderly people will be dumped in care homes and left to die.

355210 ▶▶▶ adamsson, replying to Annie, 4, #72 of 2159 🔗

No I think that’s the plan

355404 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 9, #73 of 2159 🔗

Yes the unanswered question that could really help here. Did the old folk stuck in their rooms spread the virus or was it the carers and visiting nurses? If you don’t ask hard questions you are going to keep making the same mistakes.

356847 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, #74 of 2159 🔗

Of course, they would never ever do anything like that.

355188 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 19, #75 of 2159 🔗

Re: The stop press item regarding face mask efficiency. The problem with explanations such as that is the everyday man has no concept of such small sizes. They cannot comprehend, therefore, the explanation. I prefer to use a simpler analogy to overcome this.

I like to describe their efficiency at catching the virus in a mask as the same as trying to catch water with a sieve. The penny then seems to drop much easier.

355189 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, 24, #76 of 2159 🔗

There’s always the confusion about whom face knickers are supposed to protect. No commercial brand, as far as I know, claims that they protect the wearer. Some packaging bears a clear warning that they don’t. Even the Fascist poison propaganda doesn’t make that claim. You are knickered so as to protect everybody else.
How you do this by knickering yourself on a mile-wide, empty beach is still a puzzle to me, but it’s presumably what the knickered person thinks he’s doing. Such selflessness us awe-inspiring.

355193 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Annie, 17, #77 of 2159 🔗

Or in their car, alone


356850 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to sophie123, 1, #78 of 2159 🔗

Above and beyond the call of duty, you have to admire them.

355194 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Annie, 22, #79 of 2159 🔗

The average bed wetter is wearing them because they have no idea how they work, and are only concerned with saving their own arses, screw anybody else. Anyone who tries telling you they are wearing if for your protection, not theirs, is an out and out lier. You can tell, their nose grows and pops out of their mask.

355788 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #80 of 2159 🔗

I agree. Even a ‘dandelion’ friend of mine (several PhDs, believes all the bullshit) told me that she is convinced that people are wearing the knickers to protect themselves and not others i.e. It’s pure superstition. This is borne out by the fact that the Danish study was suppressed for so long.

Just because it didn’t look at how masks might protect others doesn’t mean that they do. In fact other studies have shown they don’t. The Danish study was a gold-standard Randomised Control Trial but there have been plenty of others. Look at the sidebar on the blog for some of them.

Yesterday, on ‘Computing Forever’, I saw a flip of Fauci, interviewed last spring, stating very clearly that people should not wear masks because they were essentially useless. They get wet, people finger them all the time etc. We have tried to reason with a couple of old pillocks round here who wear them all the time but to no avail. p.s. It has pissed down with rain/snow here for 2 days so they will be working even ‘better’! MW

355208 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Annie, 15, #81 of 2159 🔗

It’s a ploy to stop us talking to each other and discussing their evil plans!

355229 ▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Janette, 4, #82 of 2159 🔗

The mumblings on 2 masks, if implemented, will certainly be a gag.

355226 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Annie, 28, #83 of 2159 🔗

It never seems to dawn on people that if you can inhale and exhale through the mask, then I guess the virus will equally easily pass ‘through’ also. Then they will argue it is to stop the droplets when you are sneezing and coughing, apparently always in people’s faces -well surely a good old tissue will address that problem, and more hygenic, and as I am not coughing and sneezing everywhere, why do I need one. I actually haven’t heard anyone cough whilst out in the past 10 months.
I like the asbestos analogy, because that, I think, resonates well. I also use the example of wearing a mask when clearing out really dusty environments and you take the mask off only to see the inside is visibly grubby, and these are not microscopic.
Thinking asbestos, I wonder what nasty ingredients are in many of these ‘surgical’ masks, and the future fallout from inhaling all those micro particles.

355317 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Hattie, 12, #84 of 2159 🔗

It concerns me that so many young people and school children are being forced to wear the masks for many hours of the day. Inhaling the cotton or other fibrous particles is bad enough, but these fibres are covered in the pathogens normal in the mouth and nose and they are being permanently fixed in the lungs. That can’t be good surely.

356856 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to mikewaite, 1, #85 of 2159 🔗

All correct, but we have to make sacrifices.

355905 ▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Hattie, 1, #86 of 2159 🔗

The Dr Ted Noel Youtube video very clearly shows this

355950 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Hattie, 2, #87 of 2159 🔗

My mother told me that as her mask was wet when she came back from a walk, this proved that all the droplets (carrying COVID19) were caught.

I tried to explain the concept of nebulisation to her, but as it didn’t fit within the beliefs of the Church of COVID, it just went in one ear and out the other.

356154 ▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Hattie, 5, #88 of 2159 🔗

https://sewport.com/fabrics-directory/polyester fabric

I started sewing a couple of years ago and had to take a crash course in different fabrics. This is another concern I have had with these facecloth is what most of these things are made from. Polyester is not something I want to wear next to my face and yet all the stretchy ones from China seemed to made of the stuff. It’s the long term harm with zero testing done on the safety of covering your mouth and nose for long periods. Health and safety has gone along with sanity in 2020.

356702 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Hattie, 1, #89 of 2159 🔗

What nasty ingredients? Many masks are made from Polypropylene (sheds micro fibres into wearers lungs) plus use Ethylene Oxide; a gas used for sterilizing the mask which is carcinogenic. Also other plastics. I believe these masks are actually dangerous.

355239 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 12, #90 of 2159 🔗

And the mask zealots always cite doctors conveniently forgetting that they don’t wear all the time, they’re only worn in temperature controlled environments, changed regularly and they don’t touch their faces.

Not to mention that the main reason they wear them (as well as those shower cap type hats) is to stop dribbling or get hair strands over the patient that they’re operating on. Many doctors and surgeons even dentists are ceasing to wear them while carrying out procedures.

355251 ▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #91 of 2159 🔗

Yes a lot of comments overlook that gaping wound the surgeons are working in. Haven’t seen that in a shop in all my life.

355257 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Crimson Avenger, 7, #92 of 2159 🔗

Indeed. Given that many of the zealots do watch medical dramas such as Holby City, Casualty, ER or Gray’s Anatomy they would have twigged that there is a reason why doctors only wear them on the operating room.

355259 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Crimson Avenger, 6, #93 of 2159 🔗

And yet even with that not wearing a mask in surgery reduces the overall infection transmission. It’s because of the sterile field and the regular practices to keep it sterile.

355516 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to mhcp, 7, #94 of 2159 🔗

There were two studies on mask wearing surgeons during operations that showed bacterial infections were lower when surgeons didn’t wear masks.

355527 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to rose, 3, #95 of 2159 🔗

I think this is also why many dentists are no longer wearing them.

355248 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Annie, 14, #96 of 2159 🔗

These deluded fools who spout “stay safe, be kind, save lives, protect others blah blah” are at core (what drives them) and on the surface (how they behave) utterly selfish. And of course, they project their selfishness onto others like us.

355520 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Annie, 5, #97 of 2159 🔗

I think that the ‘protecting others’ narrative about masks has been set up precisely because it is very very difficult to disprove. The Danish study has pretty much done that for the claim that they protect the wearer. And there are many data analyses regarding mask mandates that strongly suggest that they are damn useless, but nevertheless, because they are so many possible variables in whole society/region comparisons, it is almost impossible for these analyses to ‘prove’ that masks are useless. So, those who want to simply ignore these analyses. It is good to see more studies focusing on masks actually being harmful (eg recent German one).

356734 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #98 of 2159 🔗

And it’s why they favour the bollox droplet theory because it can be spun as supporting mandatory masking. I never once saw anyone open-mouthed coughing during the first lockdown when I was out shopping everyday. But still the virus was spreading extremely fast.

356286 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, 1, #99 of 2159 🔗

And such unintelligence is downright depressing.

355207 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #100 of 2159 🔗

Good idea – will remember that analogy

355219 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Richy_m_99, 12, #101 of 2159 🔗

It seems to me most people are uncomfortable looking at numbers.
For facemask debate (if I can have one that is) I use the analogy with Asbestos which filaments are larger than average size expired aerosols or coronavirus…and just remember what you need to wear to clear asbestos…

355220 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Richy_m_99, 9, #102 of 2159 🔗

Like balancing sand on the strings of a tennis racket

355221 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #103 of 2159 🔗

Mosquito/chicken wire.

355230 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richy_m_99, 10, #104 of 2159 🔗

The problem with explanations such as that is the everyday man has no concept of such small sizes.

I find this hard to believe as viruses are so small they cannot be detected even by microscope. Even a ten year old child is capable understanding this.

355232 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #105 of 2159 🔗

That’s true but faced with relentless propaganda and emotions in this shit show, people’s thinking skills and sense of perspective has gone out of the window.

355287 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #106 of 2159 🔗

I understand it intellectually but I understand it experientially when I think of water through a sieve since I’ve washed fruit many many times by running water through a sieve.

355372 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to LS99, 1, #107 of 2159 🔗

But in that case, you are effectively catching the fruit, not the water.

356717 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Steve Hayes, #108 of 2159 🔗

Viruses can only be seen in any way with an electron microscope.

356871 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, #109 of 2159 🔗

Which tells you how tiny they are and therefore how absurd is the notion that a face covering can prevent transmission.

355253 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Richy_m_99, 13, #110 of 2159 🔗

Newsflash: the invisible killer virus gets in through your eyes.
It has emerged that the public will be instructed to take additional measures to save lives and protect the NHS. a source said “Be kind and save the NHS by avoiding infection and thereby becoming a threat to the exhausted, heroic front line doctors and nurses: it’s essential to wear another mask covering your eyes”. Double-masking will be new government guidance, ministers are saying. One source said “Don’t worry, this won’t affect the public’s ability to see what’s going on out there…news outlets like the BBC will keep the British people updated.”

355406 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #111 of 2159 🔗

Especially when you are driving!

356485 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #112 of 2159 🔗

SAGE is suggesting the new regulations don’t go far enough. A source was quoted as saying: “Radical measures are required now. Only gouging out of eyes will stop this terror virus. If it saves one life it will be worth it.”

355313 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #113 of 2159 🔗

I have been struck by the lack of numeracy of many people, and I was no maths whizz kid at school myself.

355341 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #114 of 2159 🔗

I did post this earlier, but it should be instant penny dropping:


355411 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #115 of 2159 🔗

Goodun, my fave so far it like hiding from a guy with a high powered rifle behind a chain link fence.

355554 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Richy_m_99, -7, #116 of 2159 🔗

I believe face masks while unable to stop you catching covid acts as a filter reducing viral load.Less virus less severe illness this is why I and fellow asthmatics can walk round Tesco without a face mask safe in the knowledge that if we do catch covid it won’t be too severe. It’s like Cockrofts follies installed on the nuclear reactor that set alight in 1957 at was then Windscale now Seascale. At the time of construction Cockroft was criticised for insisting that filters be put in the chimneys. Fortunately because of Cockrofts forward thinking the UK was saved from a major disaster.

355741 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Derek Toyne, #117 of 2159 🔗

I’m afraid any reduction in viral load does you no good as studies show a mask is still ineffective.

356112 ▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to frankfrankly, -2, #118 of 2159 🔗

You say reduction in viral load makes no difference if that is the case then why do healthcare workers who were exposed to high viral loads the first to die. As we both know covid is mostly a disease of the old and sick yet many healthcare workers have suffered badly. I am talking pre-ppe since ppe became widely used healthcare workers are not suffering or dying.

356318 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #119 of 2159 🔗

Many healthcare workers are low paid, morbidly obese and malnourished.
They also work shifts, which is physically stressful and depletes the body of vitamins and minerals.

356456 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, #120 of 2159 🔗

It’s incredible how many nurses are obese. Giving them free takeaway meals doesn’t help anyone.

356864 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Derek Toyne, 2, #121 of 2159 🔗

They probably died because most healthcare workers will have had the the flu vaccine which set people up for a very bad Covid experience.

355978 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Derek Toyne, 4, #122 of 2159 🔗

BS. In fact, there is a suggestion that masks nebulise the droplets, making them smaller and easier to be absorbed when a person breathes in (as someone with asthma (me also) you will probably have heard of a nebuliser – which converts a liquid medicine into a mist, to make it easier to absorb. This is the same principal).

As a person with asthma, I am happy to walk around Tesco (and everywhere else) maskless as wearing a mask makes it very uncomfortable for me to breath.

356147 ▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Ewan Duffy, -5, #123 of 2159 🔗

For some time I’ve been thinking covid is spread by airborne particles and not as droplets as was once thought. It would explain why it seems so easily to catch. Maybe your right about masks but I believe that with everyone wearing masks acting as filters the viral load is low thus explaining why us asthmatics are not suffering as much. The problem with masks then is you must be careful when taking them off.

356324 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Derek Toyne, 2, #124 of 2159 🔗

Easy to catch? You seem to be equating positive PCR tests with actual illnesses.

356873 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #125 of 2159 🔗

A very common supposition.

356470 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #126 of 2159 🔗

You’ve (deliberately) got it the wrong way round. There’s never been any hard evidence droplets are the main transmission route. The government has backed the theory simply because it apppears to support mandatory masking.

356870 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #127 of 2159 🔗

The best thing to do with masks is not opening the packet.

356442 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Derek Toyne, 6, #128 of 2159 🔗

Absolute 77th BS. And if you can’t wear one what do you think it’s doing to the population. Lots of people are undiagnosed asthmatic or developing lung conditions without realising it.

Mask people fiddle with the area around the nose – that’s a great way to pick up a viral load.

Next you’ll be posting it’s good for children to miss out on school: builds self-sufficiency.

I’ve had enough of people like you ruining the lives of everyone else.

355191 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 65, #129 of 2159 🔗

From the stop press item above:

“It’s particularly galling with the news that all major supermarkets are now enforcing a mask mandate for shoppers and social media appears to have gone wild with delight, with the few who object to this new ‘happy shoppers policy’, being told by the gleeful masses that they should stay at home if they are unable to wear a mask. I can only conclude on that point that we have reached new, unparalleled levels of discrimination of people with illness or disability who are unable/struggle to wear a mask”.

It is about time we reminded the editors of the online press that while they happily moderate comments that do not follow their narrative, they have a responsibility to remove those comments which commit an offence under law. I posted this last night but it got lost in the fog of the 2000+ comments, so I repost it again. I shall be actively flagging and reporting comments that fall into this catagory from now on.


Those who do not wear face masks in stores are afforded legal protection of their right not to do so under the Health Protection, Coronavirus regulations, specificallly the exemptions to the mandate. The exemption specifically makes reference to disability (visible or otherwise) as an acceptable reason. It has to be accepted, according to government guidelines that if a person claims exemption under this law that they have good reason and should not be challenged.

However, without exception, the editors of every newspaper are happy to allow to go unchallenged comments which suggest that such individuals who claim exemption, should be have their freedom of movement curtailed. As examples, just from today’s stories.

“One unmasked person could infect dozens in a supermarket, exemptions should never have been allowed.”

“Cut out this exemption rubbish and hand out 1000 on the spot fines. If you can’t wear a thin fabric mask for ten minutes while you’re in Tesco, then surely you’re considered extremely high risk and shouldn’t leave the house.”

According to the Met Office information, the definition of a Hate Incident is:
“any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender.”

Do comments like this (and thousands of others relating to the exemption afforded to those who choose to exercise it), not rise at least to the level of a reportable Hate Incident. Indeed, some of the comments even rise to the level of Hate Crime, through verbal abuse and incitement to hatred. (when someone acts in a way that is threatening and intended to stir up hatred. That could be in words, pictures, videos, music, and includes information posted on websites).

The editors allow these comments to pass freely through their pages without moderation, yet try and post a contrary opinion on many subjects and comments are prohibited or entire threads heavily moderated to only allow one opinion.

Is it not time to remind the editors of the newspapers that they have a duty to remove ALL comments that contravene the law, not those that they feel do not fit their narative.

355199 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #130 of 2159 🔗

If we consistently reported those editors for hate crime would they change their policy?

356879 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #131 of 2159 🔗

No we all know they wouldn’t change. Just carry on shopping maskless and be prepared to deal robustly with Daily Mail covidians. They are usually middle aged women and will respond kindly when you tell them to fuck off.

355200 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richy_m_99, 14, #132 of 2159 🔗

These people making comments online must spend all their time indoors since even in these days of enhanced maskery I encounter no diffuculties with either Security, fellow shoppers or shop staff.

356908 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 8, #133 of 2159 🔗

Today Mrs R was asked by another customer in the takeaway cafe, which we patronise very regularly, where her mask was. My wife is a gentle soul and asked the woman (it’s always a woman) if she was officially authorised to ask. The woman confirmed that she wasn’t and so Mrs R told her to that it would be better for her to mind her own business in future. The woman then muttered inaudibly, behind her mask and retired from battle. Perhaps as well, that that me and the dog were outside, as things might well have become rather more heated. I have a very basic vocabulary, when I get angry.

355236 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Richy_m_99, 16, #134 of 2159 🔗

I’ve borrowed this, edited for relevance to context and put it on Mumsnet to rattle them, and the mask nazis who populate their pages.

who do we report them to? Police? Letters to the editor?

355249 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to sophie123, 6, #135 of 2159 🔗

Thank you. I would suggest first port of call is to flag the comment stating why you object to it as you feel that it demonstrates a prejudice based on disability for which you have legal protection. That constitutes a hate incident. For more serious comments, inciting others to “take action or challenge” they can be reported to the police, who are obliged to record it as a hate crime.

355241 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #136 of 2159 🔗

Well said!!! Have copied and saved onto a Word document. Might use this as a reply to those idiots on Arsebook still sprouting this rubbish.

355255 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Richy_m_99, 9, #137 of 2159 🔗

Hate crime also covers belief not just religion. If the instigation of policies that are based on unverified and hence unsafe data is being used to force someone to wear a talisman of that belief then this is forcing an unsubstantiated belief system on someone.

Now this could be applied to anything but the case is stronger when there are comparable standards. As I keep pointing out if your water was delivered to you without following safe standards but used much larger uncertainties and wasn’t audited, even if the water “looked” safe enough you’d be up in arms.

What we are seeing here is the bypassing of standard safety regulations because of “muh science” when it’s really “muh hypothetical musings”. Strangely I don’t see the economy being strangled because the universe may be an extra 400,000 years old.

355269 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Richy_m_99, 15, #138 of 2159 🔗

“Agree and amplify” is one way of riposting. “Yeah I saw some bloke with a white stick trying to bring a DOG into the supermarket, do these people not care about spreading disease, if they can’t leave their filthy animal outside for ten minutes they should stay the f home.”

356292 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 3, #139 of 2159 🔗

Very good. A job in SPI-B awaits if you want it. 🙂

355432 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Richy_m_99, 10, #140 of 2159 🔗

I would like to complain and report a hate crime incident in your store. I am transgender. I identify as a woman called scarlet. I was wearing a full face mask and a plastic shield and TWICE your your check out operator called me SIR. How very dare you!
Yep that should get it moving!!

355192 kpaulsmith1463, 10, #141 of 2159 🔗

Over the course of the past 10 months, I’ve devised a Fun Game, and any number can play.
It’s called, ‘Guess the Agenda Contributor’, and is ever so simple – just cross-reference the names of the most hysterical Covidarians with their (almost inevitable) participation at the annual convocation of the Great and Good at Davos.
Of course, Matt Hancock is in there.
As also, naturally, is Professor Ferguson, Jacinda Ardern, and a WEALTH of other renowned governmental and media zealots.
The latest being Yoriko Koike.
So, go ahead, roll the dice.
Spin the wheel.
…if they’re screaming for lockdowns, they’re almost certain to turn up.
(Strangely enough, neither Piers Morgan nor Dan Andrews are in there, but I imagine even Klaus maintains SOME standards of entry.)

355201 danny, 12, #142 of 2159 🔗

Perhaps the clowns running the show have realised that the support is just not there this time, and that none of this can happen without consent and self-policing, so have graciously decided not to further extend the restrictions.

355202 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #143 of 2159 🔗

Just read that government are going to ban all travel from South America due to the new Brazilian strain.They are insane or this is a plot to finish off the airlines

355218 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to jonathan Palmer, 15, #144 of 2159 🔗

Possibly a bit far fetched* but isn’t Dolores Cahill setting up freedom air and she has mentioned brokering deals with countries who are not bending to the rules imposed by WHO and specifically mentioned Brazil, Florida, Tanzania etc as potential destinations…….

*It is early

357295 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to jonathan Palmer, #145 of 2159 🔗

Not just the airlines.

355204 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 50, #146 of 2159 🔗

CHILDREN, when caught in a lie, will often panic and keep lying. They are so afraid of the consequences of their actions, they convince themselves that, as long as they keep denying it, no one can punish them. As the lies mount up, and they become increasingly aware of the severity of the situation, they will tell bigger and bigger lies. They even start BELIEVING their own lies. They will say ANYTHING to avoid admitting that they told a terrible lie in the first place. They have no way out.

Almost every MP, almost every journalist, and members of SAGE are those deceitful children. And their lies are costing lives. Their lies are DESTROYING lives. Their lies are making monsters out of ordinary people. The paranoid, hysterical, brainwashed mob are being inculcated with the message, the biggest lie of all, which is: UNMASKED PEOPLE WHO ARE MEETING THEIR FRIENDS ARE KILLING YOU. The lie is so big, so hideous, the only thing they can do is continue. We KNOW where this goes. We’ve seen it before. The lies get worse. And where does it end?

We must all act NOW. Write to your MP. Keep writing the same message every day until they answer. Write:

Dear MP,
I am very concerned that we are being told that “Rule breakers” are “spreading the virus”. As a matter of urgency, please ask the prime minister when he intends to announce his plan for the FINAL SOLUTION so we know how long we’ve got to wait.
Sincerely, xxx

It’s very important you use those exact words so they cannot tell which perspective you’re coming from. Maybe tweet it, too. Or simply the words: “When will Boris announce his final solution?”

Apparently we “lost” the “emotional argument”. So let’s make it emotional! Test people. Do they actually have any humanity left? We must ACT NOW!

355393 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #147 of 2159 🔗

Done will be interesting to see the response.

355779 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #148 of 2159 🔗


Add this video for good measure. Bafta award winning short from 2011

356274 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #149 of 2159 🔗

Gentle let-down – Maria has no humanity left.

I use her last reply to me to stick kindling on as I light the woodburner.


356343 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 2, #150 of 2159 🔗

Mine will reply “Thanks for sending me your views. I’m afraid I don’t have that information”

355206 danny, replying to danny, 19, #151 of 2159 🔗

Anyone looked into filing an official complaint into the “whistleblowing” of tax payer funded Ferguson et al?
As part of “advisory” teams they are abusing their positions by going to the press, on an hourly basis. We shouldn’t even know the names of these loons, let alone be listening to their personal views. They are there to advise the government.

355211 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to danny, 10, #152 of 2159 🔗

It’s always struck me that it is most improper for them to do thus. I remember Witless and Unbalanced in a press conference saying they don’t do politics. I think that was June 2020. I don’t know who to complain to or how, but I’d do it.

Of course they may secretly have the approval of government. SAGE can say the things the government want to do but don’t want to be caught saying so. Plausible deniability.

355235 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #153 of 2159 🔗

Great idea!

The complaint about Whitty should go here, first:


and then, if the response is not satisfactory, here:


If you copy your complain on here, no doubt many will use the words, slightly altered, and follow suit.

355256 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #154 of 2159 🔗

Official Secrets Act?

356268 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #155 of 2159 🔗

Malfeasance in Public Office ?

355213 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to danny, 4, #156 of 2159 🔗

They are doing the governments bidding so that is why they are allowed to broadcast their scaremongering.

356266 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to danny, 1, #157 of 2159 🔗

I want to know the names of these loons. Can’t have one of them marrying a granddaughter can we ? 🙂

355212 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 24, #158 of 2159 🔗

Imagine, if and when the time comes, we are allowed to vote in another national election. Imagine having the stomach to vote either Tory or Labour.. don`t think so matey !

355215 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nickbowes, 21, #159 of 2159 🔗

Neither. They both deserve electoral annihilation for having betrayed the British people and destroyed the fabric of this country.

355222 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #160 of 2159 🔗

both should be designated domestic terrorist organisations

355245 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 17, #161 of 2159 🔗

Exactly. And their leaders Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer put on trial for treason.

355283 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #162 of 2159 🔗

Nuremberg style

355233 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to nickbowes, 14, #163 of 2159 🔗

Nearly 20 years ago Morrissey was singing of “a time when the English are sick to death of Labour and Tories…” It might be upon us.

355242 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jonathan Smith, 5, #164 of 2159 🔗

But what else is there?

355365 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Annie, 2, #165 of 2159 🔗

What do people think about the Social Democrats?
Just a reminder: they were originally split off from the Labour party in desparation at the policies of the trade union dominated govt of Callaghan, Castle et al. Later they were absorbed into the Liberals as the Lib-Dem part , very left wing, but a minority seems to have remained as Soc-dems..
Looking at some of the Soc -Dem policies , although still left of centre they seem far more sensible that which we see from the Tories (for whom I have voted all my life) and Labour. I have not looked at all their policies yet , but the one about Covid seems quite sensible:

COVID-19 PANDEMIC The Covid-19 virus is endemic, has spread globally and will endure. Consequently, public policy must be sustainable, comprehensible and relatively stable. The government’s erratic ‘stop-go’ approach to opening and closing society has failed to suppress the virus but has, instead, contributed to a growing state of public fear. Successive lockdowns wrongly prioritise Covid-19 deaths at the expense of all other – possibly greater – categories of mortality and threaten to undermine the liberties and embedded freedoms of the British people. Further, they risk causing a prolonged economic depression with generational effects on welfare and on wider society

Has anyone else any experience of them? .

356164 ▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to mikewaite, #166 of 2159 🔗

The SDP were about-lockdown from the start. I hope they can run candidates everywhere. I might get in touch.

356353 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TimeIsNow, #167 of 2159 🔗


Communitarian. Warning right there! Avoid.

356166 ▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to mikewaite, #169 of 2159 🔗


356351 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mikewaite, #170 of 2159 🔗

I checked them out before Christmas and wasn’t impressed. They sound a bit greenwoke. Be worth seeing if they’re vaccine fanatics.

357135 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mikewaite, #171 of 2159 🔗

I joined as a follower because they were anti-lockdown, but was shocked to find they approved of muzzles.

355243 ▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to nickbowes, 16, #172 of 2159 🔗

There is a real opportunity for a new party, one which leads the country in a truthful way. One that can be respected and trusted. I am not a political person but will not be voting for either party ever again, I guess there will be many who think likewise.

Governing a country isn’t easy but the very least we should expect is truthfulness. We are big boys and girls so tell us how it is and employ people who have the guts to do what is right. If the NHS needs radical reform before next Winter then start now. Build those hospitals, increase staffing levels . . . After all it’s only money and you have shown for the past year you can get some more (I know it doesn’t really work like that).

Governments do not have to be corrupt, there is a better way.

355244 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Puddleglum59, 15, #173 of 2159 🔗

if its anti-lockdown I’ll vote for it in May – whatever other policies it has

355279 ▶▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to steve_w, 9, #174 of 2159 🔗

Which is why the elections may have to be delayed, pencils are dangerous vectors of disease.

355390 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Puddleglum59, 3, #175 of 2159 🔗

An anti-lockdown party might do well, if they allow elections to happen at all. It might be a matter of how long-running this thing is. It might be yesterday’s potatoes by 2022, perhaps replaced by some new neurosis like global warming or whatever.

356966 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Waldorf, #176 of 2159 🔗

No it won’t be anything else, Covid is going to be a long runner.

356962 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Puddleglum59, #177 of 2159 🔗

If government ministers want to get sacks full of cash from Bill Gates, then being utterly corrupt will be a great help.

355266 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to nickbowes, 5, #178 of 2159 🔗

I need to find some more swear words for that. Those in my lexicon are becoming worn out. I watched that happen.network film yesterday and when Alexander Johnson appeared, explaining all that was wrong with AI, I have never uttered so many expletives.

355214 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 7, #179 of 2159 🔗

Andy Ngo was a little more than ‘beaten up’, he suffered brain damage. The leader of The Proud Boys is of Cuban heritage, not that that would stop him being ‘right wing’ of course.

355231 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #180 of 2159 🔗

Indeed. And The Proudboys have racial equality policy on their website!

356259 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #181 of 2159 🔗

‘Proudboys’ are just as much establishment creatures as antifa and blm.

355217 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 53, #182 of 2159 🔗

Gruppenfuhrer Hancock clearly is too stupid to have any sense of irony, he is currently gushing on about reforms to the mental health act;
At the same time the Gov have nudged shops into this face-mask frenzy and created a nightmare world for us all. My wife is more easy going about masks than me but she has now said let’s stop going shopping and just do click and collect and avoid all shops. We are both finding ‘zoom’ meetings increasingly bizarre, frustrating and mind numbingly inhuman. I have had mental health problems and do manage a score on the autism spectrum but I am now worried about my wife’s state of mind, we have a large garden and a large nature reserve on our doorstep and spend a lot of time in them both, I think we could end up as the mad deranged couple in the woods!
So much for mental health reforms!

355240 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 25, #183 of 2159 🔗

You will be the sane, normal couple in the woods. Stay with Nature. She is sane.

355858 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #184 of 2159 🔗

Had a quick look – actually, on face of it, appears quite positive. (Will have to read actual white paper). Of course what it actually means (as it was based on a report pre-Covid) is that you will have more choice about your treatment if you a detained under the MHA than if you don’t have mental health problems!

356384 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #185 of 2159 🔗

I’d worry that the Mental Health Act will be used to strengthen their ability to force dissidents into having the jab – after incarcerating them of course.

356970 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #186 of 2159 🔗

I will keep going to the shops without a mask and will make a scene if there are problems.

355224 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 19, #187 of 2159 🔗

How many people do not believe lockdowns are a good way of dealing with this virus?
I am surprised that whenever someone in the street is interviewed by MSM they want a stricter lockdown? ….
What is the chance of that happening?

355237 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to MFvH, 5, #188 of 2159 🔗

A stricter lockdown? Knowing the chumps in charge, I’d say it’s a fairly good possibility.

355247 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to MFvH, 8, #189 of 2159 🔗

If they are in the street for real when a BBC journo comes up to them…. I reckon they want to be out there and not locked up.

355285 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to MFvH, 10, #190 of 2159 🔗

I do wonder why they are actually out on the streets if they feel a stricter lockdown is needed, surely it is too dangerous and they’d already be doing their bit.

355302 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to MFvH, 8, #191 of 2159 🔗

For all we know they interview ten people and select the one who gives the answer they want.

355314 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Waldorf, 10, #192 of 2159 🔗

Vox pops, usually used to communicate a consensus and most never make the cut. Yes, most of them are usually terrible..people either freeze, or start talking about their nan’s curtains, or something.

355325 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #193 of 2159 🔗

Somebody who says something off-message like “I think lockdowns are excessive” probably does not make the cut either, however articulate.
Incidentally I used to work for the BBC and when I was stopped in the street once and asked for a vox pop (I forget the subject now) I was asked my profession at the end of it. When I said it, the interviewer replied that they could not use what I said. Apparently other media workers do not count in vox pops and surveys – too well-informed perhaps?

356254 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Waldorf, 1, #194 of 2159 🔗

… too well-informed perhaps?

Or too fucking ignorant ! Your good self excepted of course, Waldorf.

355417 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #195 of 2159 🔗

Brilliant nans curtains, or something! Enjoyed that.

355648 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Waldorf, 2, #196 of 2159 🔗

Oh, yes. That is exactly what they do. And they feel good about themselves because they are ‘making the world a better place’ (by promoting the ‘correct’ opinion’). I worked in the media. (Don’t throw rotten tomatoes at me. I tried to do the job properly and keep my own opinions out of it. Difficult, but a real journalist will at least attempt this.)

356390 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #197 of 2159 🔗

A real journalist would “accidentally” let the rejected opinions replace the official ones. Instant job suicide unfortunately – and there’s the problem.

355334 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to MFvH, -1, #198 of 2159 🔗

Yesterday my wife tested positive for covid which surprised us both as we thought it was flu. I and many others have asked ourselves where as all the colds and flu gone as no one seems to be getting them.I for one believed the government was simply re-classifying colds and flu as covid but I now believe lockdown as eliminated them. In other words government scientists have assumed that by eliminating colds and flu you could eliminate covid. This as turned out to be a disaster because by eliminating colds and flu you also eliminate any competition to covid that is what evolution is all about.
Now every year between 10 and 20,000 die from flu but as lockdown will kill between 100 and 200,000 over the coming years this is why governments have preferred vaccination to lockdown to controlling flu epidemics.
This brings me to what we should have done. In a word protect the vulnerable, all the measures from face masks to school closures and the economy are designed to eliminate colds and flu not covid. So when someone says without lockdown hundreds of thousands would have died, no lockdown will kill hundreds of thousands over the coming years. In November instead of lockdown we should have protected the vulnerable like we did in March by shielding. Lastly doesn’t everyone think covid a strange disease for some it’s a mild cold whereas others it’s pneumonia and death. But us humans are a strange lot we eliminate diseases we cope with quite well and allow diseases that kill all because we don’t really understand evolution.

355396 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Derek Toyne, 7, #199 of 2159 🔗

If lockdowns have eliminated flu, then why have flu figures also massively fallen in Sweden?

How do you know your wife has covid?

Have you discovered a test for it?

How do her symptoms differ from flu?

355650 ▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to rockoman, 1, #200 of 2159 🔗

To your first question everyone I know as miraculous stopped getting colds and flu, I also believe that rates of flu have declined by 90%. As for Sweden their show that all you need to do is put in place some public health measures to reduce flu. If anything Sweden instead of invalidating my theory actually confirms it. I won’t bother answering the other questions but I ask you to think about the possibility that if we’ve eliminated flu we’ve eliminated the competition to covid. Is this why covid which many scientists such as Dr Mike Yeadon said was fundamentally over returned this winter.I don’t know the answers to this question all I do know, as Ivor Cummins as said by using lockdown we are working against evolution.

356706 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #201 of 2159 🔗

No one is being routinely tested for flu. When autopsies have been performed on elderly people who die from respiratory disease it is found thet have an average of 14 pathogens in their lungs. I very much doubt flu has declined by 90% in reality but if it is being ousted even by 25% other pathogens will adapt to take its place.

355462 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #202 of 2159 🔗

You’re putting too much faith in the test.
Here’s one of the clearest explanations I have seen so far regards the problems with using a PCR-based test.
The Truth About PCR Tests (odysee.com)

355697 ▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Fruitbat, 1, #203 of 2159 🔗

I agree the tests are just a scam to frighten us into going along with lockdown but for everyone tested how many aren’t tested ? If you’ve read the rest of my comment about lockdown and the effect it’s had on colds and flu you will understand that I believe lockdown is working against evolution. If you eliminate the competition to a virus like covid then that it will spread just like it is doing.

356396 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #204 of 2159 🔗

Why did you get tested if you thought you had flu? Did you go out to a test centre?

355412 ▶▶ Basics, replying to MFvH, 3, #205 of 2159 🔗

vox pops were always fake random.

356386 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MFvH, #206 of 2159 🔗

Cherry picked – or planted!

355238 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #207 of 2159 🔗


Indonesia coronavirus: The vaccination drive targeting younger people
what could possibly go wrong?

355297 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to steve_w, 5, #208 of 2159 🔗

I don’t know about targeting very old and ill people, as I suspect it might be the vaccine that actually puts someone like that through the pearly gates, not the disease itself. Occasional reports of people dying shortly after vaccination may be an example of that.

355246 jos, replying to jos, 11, #209 of 2159 🔗

We’re in a war but not with a virus- 21st century wars just use psychological terror employing a seasonal virus as the object of our terror while demoralising us to the point that we’ll accept anything – could be coming from Russia (Cummings and Starmer both have Russian connections) or China and, whichever it is, their main targets are the US and the UK ..

355304 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to jos, 9, #210 of 2159 🔗

If you’re a political leader, in charge of a dysfunctional system, lockdowns are like just so hot right now.

356983 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to jos, #211 of 2159 🔗

The problem isn’t China, it’s Johnson, Gove and Bill Gates. Hancock is just there as an Aunt Sally.

355250 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 28, #212 of 2159 🔗

Tracy’s reply to her GP’s survey is one that should be circulated widely and sent to all GP practices.

As someone who is an immigrant, I have always been befuddled about the postcode restrictions with regards to registering with a GP. Why can’t I register with one near my work? Perversely it would be more convenient to travel to one near my work than here in my neck of the woods where the lack of local amenities also extends to no nearby GP.

Since moving to London, I have not registered with a GP and in fact I’ve boycotted them. I have resolved to keep myself as healthy by eating sensibly, relying on good old Mother Nature and supplements. The GPs I’ve encountered in my previous cities of residence leave a lot to be desired.

As for Costco’s claim that they’re private property and can set the rules, that’s only true to a point. They can ask anyone with the 3Ds – drunk, stoned on drugs or disruptive to leave. But “private property” claims does not extend to discriminating against people with disabilities and that includes being unable to wear a mask. I hope to God someone sues them and takes them to the cleaners for their despicable attitudes.

355261 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #213 of 2159 🔗

Totally agree. I avoid doctors like the proverbial …

What perplexes me is that us non mask-wearers are in such a tiny minority, so why all the fuss. I’ve said before, I haven’t been in a supermarket in the past few months where I haven’t been the only one not wearing a mask. Are they really going to suggest that people like me are responsible for the disease ripping through the community. Oh yes, silly me, of course they are.

355265 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to kh1485, 17, #214 of 2159 🔗

It is not about the virus, it is about undermining their control. We cannot be allowed to show the sheeple an alternative to the fear.

355275 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheBluePill, 13, #215 of 2159 🔗

Yes, you know that, I know that but the majority of people don’t, they still think it’s about a bloody virus. I was just pointing out the absurdity of a tiny minority of people being blamed for “the spread”.

355284 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 7, #216 of 2159 🔗

That us certainly how the sheeple are bleating.

355288 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to kh1485, 14, #217 of 2159 🔗

Did you see the computer reconstruction in the DM yesterday of the effects of one person coughing in a supermarket. What a joke – a big cloud emanated from this ‘person ‘, supposedly crossing 2 aisles. So with this imagery now firmly etched in every bedwetter’ s mind, one non mask wearer could infect a whole supermarket if he has a minor splitter over the condiments aisle.
My irritation is, that if masks are so damned effective and necessary, then what are the maskies worried about – wear two if they are that scared.

355292 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Hattie, 4, #218 of 2159 🔗

Exactly. I’ve copied that info’ atl about masks and will carry it with me now.

356228 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hattie, 2, #219 of 2159 🔗

As a smoker, coughing in public is now quite a different ballgame. 🙂

356311 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Hattie, 4, #220 of 2159 🔗

If “masks” were effective, we’d have been told to wear them long ago. The fact that the regulations just insist on “face coverings” tells you that they were never intended to be taken as anything more than a symbol of our subservience.

356995 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sceptical Steve, 1, #221 of 2159 🔗

Those that resist the dubious pleasures of the mask are likely the same awkward people who won’t take kindly to being injected with liability free and almost certainly genocidal vaccines.

Cajoling people into wearing masks is also prepping them to accept the lethal Covid-19 injections. Difficult times will soon get very much worse.

355308 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 8, #222 of 2159 🔗

Well said. I’ve always been baffled about that and from my forays to the supermarket, I’m not the only one not wearing a mask and loads of staff aren’t wearing them either and are exempt.

There’s also the lack of basic scientific knowledge. I remember a doctor telling me years ago that half the time, catching a cough, cold or fever is the body saying that you need to rest and if you “caught” it from someone else, your body’s immune system is basically screaming for a rest.

356411 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #223 of 2159 🔗

That’s always been my take on it.

355262 ▶▶ alw, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #224 of 2159 🔗

I too have received the patient survey which is being conducted by Ipsos/Mori. What a complete and utter waste of money at a time like this. I rarely need to see a GP and other than a brief conversation over the phone in November about an eye infection, (I do not wear a mask), have not used the practice which happens to be excellent for over 18 months. I did consider venting my spleen in response but in the end dumped the survey into the bin reasoning that my views would not reach those who needed to see them. I feel that non-participation sends stronger message. I now get regular text messages to complete the survey which I ignore and delete.

355276 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to alw, 12, #225 of 2159 🔗

My husband received the paper survey – shredded. He then received a text – deleted.
I have received an invitation this week to get a flu jab – shredded and an invitation to a health MOT – shredded. We couldn’t trust the NHS less now, despite several close relatives being front line workers.

355289 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 15, #226 of 2159 🔗

Does make you wonder if the NHS stopped hassling the fit and well and just got on with tending to the sick, whether it would be in better shape itself. If the food industry stopped making people ill with the pap it tries to pass off as food and if BigPharma stopped encouraging doctors to pump people full of drugs they don’t need. I too am bombarded with invitiations for screenings that I either don’t need or don’t want. I got a very snarky response when I responded to a stroppy letter complaining I hadn’t responded to a mammogram appointment request. They really do think that we work for them and so it’s proving now.

I remember a documentary years ago where someone who had been a big-wig with Granada TV (I think his name was Gerry something) and he was astonished at the waste of money and bad practice he encountered. Iirc, he found that (in the hospital he looked at) very few, if any operations were done on a Friday afternoon thus causing a backlog. It was truly eye-opening stuff.

355307 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 9, #227 of 2159 🔗

I remember that documentary. He was a successful business man brimming with ideas. In the end he just gave up because “we don’t do it that way” was considered a reasonable answer to any attempted efficiency and the obstruction was off the scale.
Unlike you I will go for a mammogram and cervical smear. I won’t have anything to do with their MOT though. I can almost guarantee I would be pushed statins at the very least.
I know I’m mostly responsible for this myself but I had lost a lot of weight through careful and sustainable changes over 3 years. Lockdown has seen a lot of that come back on because I eat when I’m depressed. I don’t need to be told I’m overweight, I just want my life back to start tackling it again

355447 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 8, #228 of 2159 🔗

I remember the last MOT I went for. The doctor, whose beer gut prevented him from sitting properly at his desk, was lecturing me – who had a less than 1% chance of suffering a heart attack apparently – that I needed to take more exercise!

Yep, statins another thing to avoid unless you have had a heart attack. So grateful to the splendid Dr Malcolm Kendrick for all the information on statins (apparently, they are of no use to women at all). But, I suspect they are a money spinner for our old friends BigPharma.

355512 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 5, #229 of 2159 🔗

And HRT; many will disagree with me, but, I’ve refused it consistently, along with all the various women’s screenings, and never regretted it.

Truly awful side effects from pill- prescribed for irregular cycle in my late teens- and since then have said ‘no thank you’ to any suggestion of the pill when younger and HRT since the big M.

As my late mum advised, the menopause is not an illness; best to see it through, albeit with suitable remedies if needed.

I do fully accept that many women swear by HRT and I appreciate their reasons.

The alternatives are plentiful and benign.

355525 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 6, #230 of 2159 🔗

So, so agree wendyk. I read a brilliant book ‘The Greatest Experiment Ever Performed on Women’ by Barbara Seaman. A real eye-opener. So many natural life events now being targeted by the medical industry. And we have been used as guinea pigs.

355571 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 3, #231 of 2159 🔗

Was about to add this (but got distracted by the email from Tesco):

Another thing also that women should take into account is their sugar intake. Strict reduction of that alleviates many problems associated with women’s health.

356208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to kh1485, 2, #232 of 2159 🔗

I found a direct correlation between sugar and menopausal symptoms. The more sugar the worse the symptoms.

357134 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to kh1485, #233 of 2159 🔗

They were money spinners. Massive ones. They are all off patent now and largely made by low cost Indian generic companies.

356196 ▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to kh1485, 9, #234 of 2159 🔗

I never go to any NHS invites for screening, healthy woman checks or vaccines either. It is my intention to die of natural causes not side effects from big pharma’s ‘cures’ and dangerous screening devices.

356458 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to rose, 1, #235 of 2159 🔗

Same here.

355454 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to WasSteph, 5, #236 of 2159 🔗

The Health MOT is an absolute waste of time

355518 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Victoria, 9, #237 of 2159 🔗

I won’t have one. I say refuse every invitation along with offers of flu vaccine, and shortly, the many- splendoured Covid vaccine.

Don’t want it; don’t need it.

355703 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to wendyk, 3, #238 of 2159 🔗

I’m increasingly sick if the various invitation letters that land on my doorstep with increasing regularity once you reach a certain age. The ones that begin with ‘an appointment has been made for you’ really enrage me. I’ve opted out of each one of them but it was a painstaking process and caused me a lot of inconvenience. Even then the opt out isn’t permanent as they start hassling you again after a few years.
The recent flu vaccination letter was the final straw for me which I returned unopened and the box ticked addressee no longer at this address. I also put moved abroad on the envelope. I made hoping this will generate at FP69 form and removal from my GPs list.

356234 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendyk, #239 of 2159 🔗

I had a company medical several years ago. Got quite twitchy when I noticed the nurse taking a blood sample had a red pentagram tattoo on her forearm. They live ! 🙂

355311 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to alw, 3, #240 of 2159 🔗

IPSOS Mori polls are also rigged like the YouGov ones and half the time they’re time wasters too. Mr Bart and I used to do surveys for them until we decided that they were a waste of time.

355842 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to alw, 3, #241 of 2159 🔗

I let rip on my survey. Even before this lunacy it was next to impossible to get an appointment with a GP of choice, even if prepared to wait 6 weeks. In 2019 I was asked to try a new drug by my GP and I didn’t want to take it but he asked me to try it. It meant I had to make an appointment for a few weeks’ time as it can affect the kidney function. I could not get an appointment so complained to the Practice Manager. I was then bullied, hassled and intimidated for 6 months, threatened with expulsion from the Practice and called a liar. Finally, they mumbled about their ‘misremembering’ but I’d had enough (several registered letters which always arrived on a Saturday morning and wrecked my weekend and mounting threats) and pursued my complaint. The Practice Manager left suddenly, they added exactly what I asked them to add to my notes which proved I had told the truth and they had lied. No apology. The whole incident left me shattered. The Ipsos/Mori survey bore no resemblance to the reality of medical care which was abysmal before this tyranny and non-existent now. I received an email in reply to a query to the new Practice Manager this week which said ‘For personal reasons Ms ***** is out of the business on urgent leave’. Business? The long pre-recorded message when you ring sounds like the ones you listen to when phoning the bank or HMRC. ‘All the answers you need can be found online’. It then goes on ‘IF you still need to speak to a GP you must first explain your condition to a Health Care Navigator’. NAVIGATOR? A receptionist with a couple of day’s training? When I got to Number 1 in the phone queue the line went dead every single time.

356455 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mutineer, 1, #242 of 2159 🔗

Disgraceful! I hope you can change practices.

355282 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #243 of 2159 🔗

Well said, Bart.
Not wishing fo intrude and please smack me down if necessary, but is your skin of a darker shade than the average Brit’s, and if so, do you think this makes a difference to the way you are treated?

355301 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 7, #244 of 2159 🔗

I’m of the Yellow tinged variety and oddly the notion that people of the yellow variety are docile seems to be open season to be bullied. I did wonder if they would have dared had I been black (regardless of gender) or a man over 6 feet built like Bruce Willis from Die Hard.

356241 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #245 of 2159 🔗

or fairly small like Bruce Lee or Jet Li …

356401 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 3, #246 of 2159 🔗

That too. Had they been paying attention, the moral of those films is never underestimate the little guy.

357095 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to JohnB, #247 of 2159 🔗

Or Biker….

357219 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stevie119, #248 of 2159 🔗

I’ve always envisaged him as 7′ tall, hairy, and with a blue face …

355299 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #249 of 2159 🔗

I’m still the only bare faced heretic in the local Morrison’s Bart, but notice that some gags are now worn just below the nose.

Says it all really.

As to the latest nonsensical bans on take aways here in Sturgeonia; pouring with rain as usual, so how many of the regulars at our local Greggs, still open thankfully, wait in line outside?

Her Holiness of Holyrood has fallen prey to power-addicted-delusion- syndrome:(I’ve just made that up).

Goes with the zeitgeist-control by take away the number you first thought of, add the square root of minus one, touch up with some public hand wringing and emoting and bingo!

More tiers for fears.

355339 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 4, #250 of 2159 🔗

Everytime I read the insanity emanating from Holyrood, I thank the Lord we are out of Scotland. My one regret is that father-in-law is still stuck there and he’s sure as hell fed up with the whole thing.

Your mention of Gregg’s reminds me of my local Wenzel’s, it was raining yesterday and everyone just huddled inside and the staff pretty much ignored us not following social distancing.

355490 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #251 of 2159 🔗

I’ve just walked past Gregg’s and it seems that common sense has prevailed there as well.

They’ve provided excellent friendly service throughout; no fuss about masks and many workers call in for early breakfast food and hot drinks.

355538 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 3, #252 of 2159 🔗

Ditto with the Gregg’s here in London and they tend to be busy.

Another one that’s good with common sense and friendly service is Caffe Nero – no fuss about masks and social distancing, take cash and happily stamp your loyalty card.

356250 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #253 of 2159 🔗

Yep, Cafe Nero were the only place I could find at Victoria station still taking cash.

355499 ▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to wendyk, 4, #254 of 2159 🔗

“Power addicted delusion syndrome” – that’s a great phrase and one we should all use from now on when talking of the evil Sturgeon.

355673 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Guirme, 2, #255 of 2159 🔗

Pleased you like it; I’m convinced that she’s lost all sense of proportion, determined as she is, to out do Boris- whatever it takes- and to pursue her increasingly inconsistent agenda of breaking up the UK.

356067 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Guirme, 1, #256 of 2159 🔗

PADS for short? Hmm… maybe not, I don’t like the image that’s conjured.

355263 kvnmoore561, replying to kvnmoore561, 9, #257 of 2159 🔗

So, I received an email from Tesco last night:
“To protect our colleagues and customers, we won’t let anyone into our stores who isn’t wearing a face covering, unless they’re exempt in line with government guidance. Please also make sure that you wear your face covering correctly – covering your mouth and your nose.”
I posted a thing on the Sainsbury’s FB page when I received a similar email from them earlier in the week but I can’t find it now.
Does anyone have a ‘template’ they can use to email the CEOs of these companies explaining how they’re discriminating against people and are in contravention of the equality act?
I think these emails are appalling.

355271 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kvnmoore561, 9, #258 of 2159 🔗

I suppose the get out here is ‘in line with government guidance’. So, if you say you are exempt, that is in line with the guidance. They have no right to take it any further, unless they use the ‘you’re on private property’ line which apparently some are starting to do. But, I wonder then if they are on dodgy ground. Is it really legal to prevent someone from buying food.

355281 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to kh1485, 11, #259 of 2159 🔗

Even on private property would not the discrimination laws of the 2010 act still stand, as in you cannot bar say gay couples from a B&B or put a sign in a shop saying ‘no travellers, non-whites’.

355293 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Hattie, 3, #260 of 2159 🔗

Not sure. But what I can be certain of is that they are going to use every trick in the book.

355397 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hattie, 1, #261 of 2159 🔗

Yes it does – they cannot discriminate on their premises. They can however chuck you out if you assault someone or something similar

355295 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 297 of lockdown), replying to kh1485, 2, #262 of 2159 🔗

If the private property line is valid, surely it can work the other way and a premises could ban entry with masks?

355429 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan (Day 297 of lockdown), 1, #263 of 2159 🔗

I’ll try it! Wonder how long it would be before I received a ‘visit’!

355318 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 12, #264 of 2159 🔗

“Private property” is dodgy because they can only enforce that for disruptive behaviour. But not discrimination. Can you imagine Tesco refusing entry to a person in a wheelchair or a black person? There would have been hell to pay and “private property” won’t wash.

355364 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #265 of 2159 🔗

Actually doesn’t the crown technically own all land? Private property is only a freehold, or a leasehold. In principal therefore you are not able to define your own rules if you create a public setting, (which is what a supermarket is), on your land, because the various Acts to increase equality and decrease discrimination still apply.

To stretch the analogy further, I can’t murder people on my own land, (violating one of the principle tenets of human rights law), simply because it’s private property. I would imagine that, in balancing the rights of the owner, with the various human rights Acts, a lot of account would have to be taken of the fact that the virus poses a very low threat to the owner’s health (unlike say, a person with a machine gun intent), and that, being a commercial establishment essentially inviting people inside, they aren’t permitted to draw the parameters of engagement in such a way as to violate human rights law.

What do others think?

355407 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #266 of 2159 🔗

I the rape is rape regardless of where it occurs. Same with theft and murder. What is different about discrimination? No signs at costco declaring you are now on private property. Police in family home without cause or warrant only last week.

Does costco have armed guards? No, because there are UK laws even on their patches of ground.

355421 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #267 of 2159 🔗

it is not about property ownership as such. we are all subject to the laws of the land. any owner of property can decide who they allow on to their property . however this is then governed by law – either by statute where certain functionaries can enter regardless or in certain circumstances, or where access cannot be limited where that limitations is discriminating against a person with a protected characteristic.
So Costco can decide on admission or refusal of access if they want as long as it is not due to the person having a protected characteristic. (and these include race, gender, religion, disability etc). so if the reason costco want to ban someone is because they have a disability (viz a condition meaning they cannot wear a face covering) they cannot do it as it would be discriminatory and a breach of the DDA

355280 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kvnmoore561, 5, #268 of 2159 🔗

I got the same foul message and responded likewise.

355315 ▶▶ kvnmoore561, replying to kvnmoore561, 5, #269 of 2159 🔗

Thanks everyone. I’ll try and draft something. Honestly, I can’t get over how illogical all this is, clearly masks don’t work, otherwise why would so called infections be going up? Also, it clearly isn’t being caused by non-mask wearers in shops since in the shops that I’ve been in, our local Sainsbury’s in particular, I’ve been the only person not wearing a mask. I couldn’t believe the public complied with the initial mandate given the lack of evidence supporting their use, now it seems that it’s just taken as fact that they’re effective! This whole situation is completely insane.

355330 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kvnmoore561, 10, #270 of 2159 🔗

Have two theories for this:

  1. government has pretty much destroyed other sectors such as retail, hospitality, sports & leisure, events, tourism, aviation, entertainment, museums & heritage. Supermarkets/essential retail is pretty much the last man standing so why not complete the hat trick of destruction?
  2. supermarkets’ profits have plummeted and they’re led to believe that more draconian measures would coax the bedwetters out and spend more money.

Having chatted with staff from different supermarkets, the view on the floor is that mandatory masking has led to people spending less because they don’t want to go around the shops with a snotty rag across their face. There’s also the rise of delivery and click & collect which leads to little to no impulse purchases.

And don’t forget that there are more redundancies and bankruptcies which would influence how people are spending. If you’re at risk with losing your job, business even your home, spending would be reduced to the bare minimum.

355446 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #271 of 2159 🔗

Definitely something like that. Also think that they could have ‘threatened’ the supermarkets with something or promised them something in return for policing masks.

The government cannot make the face covering section more draconian without changing the Equalities Act or get approval from parliament and therefore are using these stooges to police it but also to plant incorrect information such as:

  • Medically Exempt – there is no such a thing – only Exempt
  • Masks only – Wrong, it is face coverings and that could include about anything provided that your mouth and nose is covered
  • Denied Entry – WRONG, you cannot chuck people out if they are exempt as you will be breaking the Equalities Act
355465 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 2, #272 of 2159 🔗

Very true. And the government knows how to play the supermarkets because they know that staff are not only poorly paid but also poorly trained.

I’ve come across a lot of this having complained to various retailers and even the Church of England! One retailer tried to fob me off with “we’re living in unprecedented times.” To which I replied “Please don’t use that excuse on me. I work in customer and visitor services and had I used that same excuse against a complaint, my managers would have handed me my P45 and escorted me off the premises.” He crumpled and quickly offered me an apology and compensation.

Supermarkets should realise that the virus should NOT be an excuse for poor service and practising blatant discrimination.

357287 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kvnmoore561, #273 of 2159 🔗

It says almost as much about the ignorance of the docile public, as it does about the criminal government.

355328 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to kvnmoore561, 14, #274 of 2159 🔗

The sad thing is that many, like myself and my wife are giving up shops, just click and collect, e-bay and our village stores. On one hand we live in an IT global interconnected world on the other hand our actual real lives have become very small, narrow and insular. Some days it seems I speak to the birds and plants in the garden and local woods more than I speak to people.

355990 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #275 of 2159 🔗

Some days it seems I speak to the birds and plants in the garden and local woods more than I speak to people.

That’s ok Steve. It’s only when they disagree with you, or start with the abuse, that you’ve got to worry. 🙂

356327 ▶▶▶ EdT, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #276 of 2159 🔗

I’d advise against becoming reliant on click-n-collect or, even worse, delivery of groceries. If we can no longer visit a physical shop, and pay with cash if we choose, we put ourselves at risk of a Chinese-style social credit system whereby the government can simply deem that we’ve been too naughty to buy food.

A year ago such a thought would’ve struck me as insane, but after the vicious erosion of our fundamental liberties in 2020 I can see it being increasingly likely. For our ‘own good’ of course. “V For Vendetta”, “12 Monkeys and “Children Of Men” are looking less fictional with each day that passes.

355384 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to kvnmoore561, 3, #277 of 2159 🔗

yes and they have started this announcement re masks on the speaker system – when in last night and it was constant every 3 minutes or so – but it did include something like “wear a mask unless you are exempt”. I’m hoping they will stop this in a while as annoying listening to it, but if you were staff it would drive you mad hearing all day.
Hopefully is a short term thing while the hysteria is in overdrive. I think headphones are a must next time to block it out.
God what a crazy world we live in – I despair sometimes!

355400 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #278 of 2159 🔗

Our council has bought two way street speakers – to keep in touch with people on the street – and higher quaility cctv – likely facial recognition. Not installed yet but the deal was in the local press several times in the summer last year.

355431 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Basics, 2, #279 of 2159 🔗

it does confuse me how the state will be able to successfully use all these cctvs and the facial recognition and tracking software kindly supplied at great cost by the Chinese communist party, whilst every one is wearing a mask. Maybe the next step is to require transparent masks. Or maybe that is the time that the masks will suddenly be determined as unnecessary

356116 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mj, 2, #280 of 2159 🔗

Probably at some point (don’t ask me when but probably not this year) they will say nobody has to wear masks any more. I am not convinced that they have enough machinery that can recognise the masked, and the state likes to think it is in control. So then they will go back to the “normal” situation where people wearing masks, say in demos, become suspect, rather than engaging in a routine health precaution as at present.

356219 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mj, 2, #281 of 2159 🔗

Fairly sure they’re clever enough to scan and identify masked people now. 🙁 I could be wrong …

356269 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JohnB, 3, #282 of 2159 🔗

They can track you by your gait
Thats why it is always good to mince down the street like a gaylord or shuffle like a zombie

355394 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kvnmoore561, 4, #283 of 2159 🔗

unless they’re exempt in line with government guidance

Interesting that they changed the narrative from being MEDICALLY exempt to ‘in line with government guidance’

There is no such a thing as MEDICALLY exempt

Also government guidelines specify ‘face coverings’ NOT ‘masks’ as they want us to believe – that means visors, scarfs, and pulling your sweater over your mouth/nose

355409 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to kvnmoore561, 6, #284 of 2159 🔗

I haven’t been in a shop since the mask wearing scam started. If any one confronted me, I’d end up in Jail. I have a very short fuse with brainwashed idiots, so I thought it best for myself, the public, my job and my wife that I stay away from said places.

355476 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to FlynnQuill, 4, #285 of 2159 🔗

Just read that. It’s like listening to a mirror! I’ve done exactly the same.

355414 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to kvnmoore561, 6, #286 of 2159 🔗

The letter from Tesco is legally correct. As long as they state that those who have an exemption are excluded from the policy, then they are not discriminating.

The real fact of the matter is that there is only one person forcing anyone to wear a mask, and that is you. (Not you in particular of course because you are exempt).

The government made the question of exemption one of self determination for a good reason. It is so they could not be accused of contravening Disabilities Act etc. They can argue that if anyone felt they couldn’t wear a mask it was left to the individual to choose between their needs and their conscience. Of course, if they had actually come out and said that, the whole thing would have fallen apart as nobody would have worn one. Luckily for them, the average member of the public hasn’t the intellect or desire to read between the lines of legislation and find out what their entitlements are.

355568 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #287 of 2159 🔗

Exactly, said this before. The exemptions are there not to protect those who are exempt, but to protect the government from any litigation when masks cause harm. The pleblic don’t look at the legislation at all, but gov can always say “We told you, you were exempt, so it’s your fault”.

355663 ▶▶ DThom, replying to kvnmoore561, 2, #288 of 2159 🔗

there was a very good letter in comments yesterday written by Hubes.
It was also to Tesco

355272 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 29, #289 of 2159 🔗

Never forget that those behind the scamdemic – Gates, Schwab et al. – will be aware and fearful of the many lawsuits emanating from lawyer Reiner Fullmich and the Coronavirus Investigative Committee in Germany, and others internationally. This will now be colouring all their moves as mediated through their puppets in national governments.

Interesting times are developing. There’s nothing like the likelihood of ending up at the International Criminal Court in The Hague to focus minds and put a stop to the lockdowns, which are a major crime against humanity.

Watch as it all slowly develops in the coming weeks and months. They’ll try to gradually wind down, in a vain attempt to save as much face and honour as possible, and then to distance themselves. But they’ll know it’s over and that justice looms.

355278 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ross Hendry, 16, #290 of 2159 🔗

In the sweet name if Jesus Christ ( no blasphemy intended), I hope you are right.

355296 ▶▶▶ CaptainG, replying to Annie, 10, #291 of 2159 🔗

Much as I hope the same I am very skeptical- what makes you think the ICC is any less corrupt than the rest of the establishment? Gates et al have surely thought of this when they sprung the Great Reset trap- they have done a thorough job of putting all their ducks in a row first. Even if a court ruled against them, you have dozens of major governments already completely committed to this process, still largely supported by a terrified and increasingly psychologically re- engineered population.
Who exactly will enforce the law?

355305 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to CaptainG, 7, #292 of 2159 🔗

In the USA people with guns……..

355416 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #293 of 2159 🔗

And Biden/Pelosi want to go after the NRA.

355970 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to PastImperfect, #294 of 2159 🔗

That is why.

355351 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to CaptainG, 5, #295 of 2159 🔗

Also, to add the media will just black out reporting on it. I mean 200 million Indians protested this year and not a peep.

355814 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to CaptainG, 1, #296 of 2159 🔗

Judges at the ICC, and their families, were threatened when prosecuting US citizens.

355388 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ross Hendry, 2, #297 of 2159 🔗

Does the hague have capital punishment possibilities?

355812 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ross Hendry, 2, #298 of 2159 🔗

With Biden (Harris, who was rejected by the electorate) in the WH, we can expect the US will be a safe haven for the perpetrators.

355273 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 23, #299 of 2159 🔗

“Do the facts matter anymore?” Will, old love, they haven’t mattered since March 2020 when the catastrophic decision was taken to ignore all previous pandemic planning and go down the suppression and lockdown route. All “facts” since then have been massaged and manipulated to support this failed narrative.

355382 ▶▶ Basics, replying to WasSteph, 4, #300 of 2159 🔗

We are living with false reality constructed around us and have been for sometime.

355957 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to WasSteph, 1, #301 of 2159 🔗

Narrative has not failed, it has achieved exactly what was planned.

355277 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 21, #302 of 2159 🔗

Some great contributions in todays update. This one line should give anybody who values freedom and democracy, food for thought

Zero Covid is not a strategy for eliminating Covid, it is a plan to reorganise society permanently in the image created by the Chinese Communist Party.

355312 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #303 of 2159 🔗

Spot on.


Once the idea that lockdown can prevent death was accepted, every death is the government’s fault if there’s no lockdown, or your neighbour’s fault for not following the rules if there is lockdown. A perfect formula for tearing western liberal democracies apart from the inside.

355331 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 4, #304 of 2159 🔗

And on cue, that page doesn’t exist! Lot’s of early spring cleaning going on?

355286 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 13, #305 of 2159 🔗

I am not sure whether this may have been posted, but just in case … A convincing demo of why masks don’t work. A picture is worth a thousand words.


355310 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Basileus, 4, #306 of 2159 🔗

Thanjs, I have just posted it on a few DM comment sections for the nappy zealots there.

355349 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, 1, #307 of 2159 🔗

Thanks, taken three screenshots for use as appropriate.

355395 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basileus, 2, #308 of 2159 🔗

Great video, thanks, sharing it. 0.012 micron sized molecules will pass through, around all cloth diapers.

355290 Amber1, replying to Amber1, 3, #309 of 2159 🔗

Peter Hitchens has been encouraging people to write to their MPs regarding lockdown. Do you think it would help if people wrote to their MPs to ask what the evidence was for mandating masks following the Danish study and the fact that everywhere they’ve been mandated cases have risen? Is it possible they make the situation worse? If enough people actually challenged their MP to provide the evidence would it help revoke mandatory so it became a personal decision?

355352 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Amber1, 5, #310 of 2159 🔗

Chris Whitty was asked by a House of Commons Select Committee for the new evidence that had led the government to change its position on face masks. He admitted that the evidence had not changed.

355377 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #311 of 2159 🔗

And the committee sucked in air as normal. Did nothing said nothing felt nothing.

355383 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #312 of 2159 🔗

There are 20 years of factual evidence based studies that diapers are harmful and do not stop transmission of anything. This includes studies of dentists wearing the diapers to no positive effect, most often to detrimental effect.

355379 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Amber1, 6, #313 of 2159 🔗

I did, she is a fat arsed conservative and issued the usual pablum including she supports mandatory testing, mandatory vaxxing and will never support the anti-vaxxers (her own words) and is fully behind the LDs. She is a vaxx idol worshipping half wit who cannot answer basic questions.

Don’t assume your MPs have a brain.

So no, don’t waste your time.

355757 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Amber1, 2, #314 of 2159 🔗

See my post of my MP’s letter. MP’s have minds of stone.

355291 nootnoot, replying to nootnoot, 15, #315 of 2159 🔗

Is anyone else fed up with those really cringe terms related to the virus?
Top of my list is “practice social distancing” closely followed by “sanitising station”, “face covering”, “keep safe”, “mandatory” etc.

Some members of my family are positive and they see the end of this. Father in law has bought a van and is converting it to a campervan which he believes he can use from March. I can’t see this ending for years, i’ve even told the wife we’re making no big purchases at the moment as we can’t plan ahead.

To add to the depression my dad messaged our family group on Monday to say the highlight of his day was putting the bins out. I’ve never heard him speak like that before. Fortunately he is seeking happyness from cooking which i’m glad is something that is still legal.

There is no end of this is there?

355294 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to nootnoot, 19, #316 of 2159 🔗

What angers me is the de-humanising aspect of all this. We are all to be treated as filthy, disease-ridden agents of plague. Nothing is safe until it has been anti-bac’d.

355298 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 12, #317 of 2159 🔗

Why do people, who are afraid of a virus, use anti-bacterials against the feared virus?

355338 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #318 of 2159 🔗

Because they don’t know the difference, it’s all germs to most people.

355347 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 8, #319 of 2159 🔗

I find it hard to believe that so many people are so ignorant.

355362 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #320 of 2159 🔗

Nothing surprises me anymore.

355361 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #321 of 2159 🔗


355537 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #322 of 2159 🔗

Its the same non-logic as using a mask against a virus.

356511 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #323 of 2159 🔗

Cos “average” is pretty thick.

355303 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to nootnoot, 6, #324 of 2159 🔗

this is NEVER going to end

355306 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to nootnoot, 3, #325 of 2159 🔗

‘Unprecedented’ ‘extraordinary times’.

355335 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nootnoot, 10, #326 of 2159 🔗

BBC R4 news this morning travel agents are reporting huge increases in booking which they attribute to Vaccine rebound
More people are booking multiple visits in larger groups ie bringing gran and grandad along.
They did not specify whether home or abroad but they must be nuts if they think the government is going to permit non essential travel by multigenerational groups anytime this year.

355357 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 297 of lockdown), replying to karenovirus, 7, #327 of 2159 🔗

I can confirm that travel agents are not reporting huge increases in bookings. I have been on several ‘virtual conferences’ in recent days with many travel agents and have spoken to many colleagues. Not true. Perhaps the big online players are spinning a yarn to placate their shareholders. January is usually our biggest sales month and we usually turnover £300k plus. Turnover so far? £0. Refunds processed? £70k

355367 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Sarigan (Day 297 of lockdown), 15, #328 of 2159 🔗

We just booked a couple of weeks self catering in the Yorkshire Dales for June. Just the two of us but we need something to look forward to, if only the return of our deposits.

355425 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #329 of 2159 🔗

Just don’t go and blow it at John Lewis and try to click and collect it.

355392 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sarigan (Day 297 of lockdown), 4, #330 of 2159 🔗

Wow, that’s got to hurt!

355401 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sarigan (Day 297 of lockdown), 3, #331 of 2159 🔗

Thanks for that, probably pro vaccine propaganda.

356513 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sarigan (Day 297 of lockdown), 1, #332 of 2159 🔗

Ouch! Commiserations.

355370 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 7, #333 of 2159 🔗

They have bought into the jab and go propaganda.I think spring will be our last chance to change this.Once a large proportion of the vulnerable have been vaccinated there will be a clamour to go back to normal.When the general public realise that we are never going to be allowed to return to normality there may be some concerted fight back.

355434 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #334 of 2159 🔗

yes i agree – they think have the jab and get out. Once they realise this isn’t what the politburo have in mind there are going to be some pissed off people! But too large a majority just say lamely “oh well, it’s for the best!”

355545 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hypatia, replying to penelope pitstop, 6, #335 of 2159 🔗

Yes, my mother gets her jab tomorrow. She is totally convinced that she will be protected from the WuFlu, and that she will be back to her old life very soon. Nothing I can say can persuade her otherwise. She just says she doesn’t believe it and that I am lying. Very tiresome.

355944 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hypatia, 3, #336 of 2159 🔗

Well, she did name you Hypatia … 🙂

356518 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #337 of 2159 🔗

They’ll blame the non -vaxxed ……

355430 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to karenovirus, 6, #338 of 2159 🔗

Obviously the more optimistic folks who think that the vaxx will give them a “get out of jail” card to go on holiday. I’m not in that category and will play it by ear; I usually book last minute in any case mainly booking/travelling independently rather than package holidays, so will see what happens.
I am on facebook ski sites and seems quite a lot are booking (or probably rescheduling in most cases) for the next season – but probably the diehard skiers.

My gut feel is that it is going to be extremely difficult/impossible to get away this year with all the tests needed, quarantines, insurance restrictions, so called ‘corridors’ and now potentially some airlines/countries requiring you had the vaxx.

I love travelling and get away 3/4 times a year typically, and life is fairly bleak without having holidays to plan and look forward to. In fact, I can’t watch travel programs as I fear that I may never be able to travel again off this island.

355448 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to penelope pitstop, 6, #339 of 2159 🔗

Agree. Mr Bart and I have agreed that we will not attempt any foreign holidays. Apart from the hassle from what you’ve mentioned above, it was always a no go for us anyway given we’ve decimated our savings with a flat purchase and having the kitchen and bathroom done.

People who think that the vaccine will be a “get out of jail card” will be sorely disappointed.

356137 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #340 of 2159 🔗

We were forced to cancel a holiday with Jet2 last summer and fought for and eventually managed to get a refund rather than the dreaded vouchers. However, I’m hearing stories that the holders of vouchers from various tour operators and airlines are now being told they have to be used very soon or they’ll be declared void. With the changes in holiday insurance conditions since the Covid-19 arrived, I’m assuming that this would potentially leave passengers caught between a rcok and a hard place this year.

355450 ▶▶ Stu, replying to nootnoot, 5, #341 of 2159 🔗

I might be being overly optimistic but I don’t think there will be another lockdown. Support for this one is very low in my area, traffic at normal levels and plenty of people out and about.

355548 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to nootnoot, 3, #342 of 2159 🔗

“covid secure” has to be the worst

355300 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 9, #343 of 2159 🔗

Does anyone know whats happened to Prof Carl Heneghan?

Maybe Im looking in the wrong place (chiefly his Twitter feed) but he seems to have gone quiet on all this – which seems odd given the mounting volume of evidence as apposed to hand-waving/crystal ball viewing/ill-informed guesswork.the other ‘scientists’ rely on.

Has he given up smacking his head against a wall or am I simply looking in the wrong place?

355320 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 6, #344 of 2159 🔗

He is definitely one of the ‘disappeared’ , in my wilder conspiracy theory moments I suspect that the Joseph Goebbels propaganda tactics of the Gov have now nobbled most dissenting voices except Peter Hitchens but he is probably just written off as old and eccentric and is just sidelined.
I used to be rational about all this but it is becoming hard to hold that line!

355329 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #345 of 2159 🔗

He is probably being hideously tortured in Whitty’s dungeon. Perhaps being asked “Is it safe?”

355633 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #346 of 2159 🔗

If he has been silenced then most likely blackmail. Since big tech are at the forefront of this, there will be search engine dirt available on pretty much anyone.

355323 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 4, #347 of 2159 🔗

I’ll email him with your question

355324 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 2, #348 of 2159 🔗

I thought he was just taking a well earned break but it’s gone on a bit too long now. Worrying. Carl please can we hear from you again? We need the voices of reason spoken as often as possible.

355332 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 7, #349 of 2159 🔗

He’s probably realised that whatever evidence or challenge he produces makes absolutely no difference in this post-truth dystopia.

355319 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #350 of 2159 🔗

Remember the popular meme following the London 7/7 bombings

‘we are not afraid’

At the time 10s of thousands of such images were produced by all sorts of people and groups though there are precious few left o Google.

355433 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to karenovirus, 3, #351 of 2159 🔗

I remember that and the weeks after. A colleague was talking to a German customer who were hesitant about coming over and he was saying “look we’ve survived IRA bombs before”. So the resolve is there in people

As an aside, I was sitting thinking, yeah mate you’ve survived the odd IRA bomb. Try having that shit and more everyday when growing up in Belfast. But his intentions were good at any rate.

356205 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 1, #352 of 2159 🔗

They should be changed to “Viruses have us hiding under the bed” or at any rate, lots of people…

355326 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #353 of 2159 🔗

Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m sure that on the TV news last night, I heard the statement: “Tested positive for Covid and died of any reason in the LAST FEW WEEKS”.
It’s gone from 28 days to “the last few weeks”.
I’ve heard of “moving the goalposts”, but this time, they’ve moved said goalposts to the middle of a Tennis court.

355343 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #354 of 2159 🔗

I suppose that depends on your concept of ‘a few’. It means 3 or 4 to me, but maybe not to everyone! We know that all sorts of language has been distorted beyond recognition in the last year, so I no longer feel certain I correctly understand anything I hear…

355363 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #355 of 2159 🔗

AGREED on both points, Charlie.

355405 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #356 of 2159 🔗

I think they changed it to 60 days, somebody posted a PHE link a few days ago showing it at 60 days, but if they are saying a fw weeks, that’s to disguise this 60 day.

356150 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Andrew K, 1, #357 of 2159 🔗

I’ve just seen this PHE paper, updated in August 2020, that makes reference to the 60 Day basis for Covid-related deaths. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/916035/RA_Technical_Summary_-_PHE_Data_Series_COVID_19_Deaths_20200812.pdf

355333 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #358 of 2159 🔗

The government have found their forever war in which to keep us locked up and controlled.Make up a new strain to maintain their fear.They can keep this up for as long as they want.

355350 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #359 of 2159 🔗

He would be so proud and impressed.

356151 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Steve Martindale, #360 of 2159 🔗

Today Brazil, tomorrow the World!

355368 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to jonathan Palmer, 11, #361 of 2159 🔗

We have always been at war with East Coronia…

355391 ▶▶ iane, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #362 of 2159 🔗

And there is always flu to fall back on!

355565 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to iane, 3, #363 of 2159 🔗

Flu World Order

355933 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, #364 of 2159 🔗

The wu-flu !

355336 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #365 of 2159 🔗

Rumours circulating that the borders will be closing to South American travellers now. Still not hearing any howls of outrage from my airline colleagues as another nail is driven into our coffin.

What’s it gonna take?!

355345 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 297 of lockdown), replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #366 of 2159 🔗

Conveniently many airlines have just received huge govt backed loans just before the ‘new strain’.

355375 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sarigan (Day 297 of lockdown), 2, #367 of 2159 🔗

Indeed, interesting timing!

IAG were for a while playing the slightly cynical game of refusing any assistance in an attempt to drive competitors with a poorer cash position out of the market. They’ve obviously realised or been told that this is not going to be over for a while yet.

355337 swedenborg, 21, #368 of 2159 🔗

Good news.
“Listen to this Dr Mary Ramsey announced to the Science & Technology Committee that England may follow a focused protection strategy, where protection is given to the vulnerable and the disease is allowed to circulate among the young where its not causing much harm.”
Dr Mary Ramsey,what a pity she was not in charge of the pandemic response from the beginning. Thank God hearing a sane voice for the first time in 9 months from Public Health England

355340 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 8, #369 of 2159 🔗

Any bets on the next lockdown?…Lockdown 4? I fancy sometime around September…and the next ‘variant’?…Mozambique?Alaskan?…Shetland Isles?….

355346 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #370 of 2159 🔗

Anyone think another winter lockdown might break them? I have no idea how I will cope?

355469 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to JHUNTZ, 14, #371 of 2159 🔗

Nah, not even breaking a sweat here. It’s a good test of my ongoing mental strength improvement attempts. Though I’d rather circumstances were different, it is what it is, so why not put it to good use?

And tbh, once you realise that your reaction to things is within your control, the rest is just practice. I started by noticing the mechanism: Event > Initial Reaction > Emotional Response. You’re always going to react to things, even after years of practice, but if you can get in between the Initial Reaction and the Emotional Response, you pretty much have the key to mental superpowers and nothing and no one can knock you off balance.

Besides, this is a psychological war, it’s prudent to learn some self defence.

355639 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 7, #372 of 2159 🔗

I’ve got to say at the risk of being stoned to death, i’m having an easy covid19, psychologically lockdowns having virtually no impact on my mental health, but i do profoundly recognise how lucky i am, & that its effecting others differently, i do sympathise, but its really just giving me the strength to fight the fascist bastards.

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”

― Benito Mussolini

355665 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #373 of 2159 🔗

I feel as you do, my mental state is in good shape because, in my case, I was fortunate enough to have stumbled across and started practicing some mental techniques before all of this hit, and I sincerely hope that my previous post might encourage others on to do likewise for their own wellbeing. And too, I can focus on what is really happening here for the sake of friends, family and anyone I can encourage to doubt and stand firm.

355823 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 5, #374 of 2159 🔗

You are so lucky. I often feel like I am going stark raving bonkers, my anger levels are through the roof and vitriolic hatred for a great number of people is festering. This coming from a woman, who before this, was probably one of the most chilled and amiable people you could come across. Sorry if that last sentence sounds a bit conceited, but judging by the nastiness and general demeanour of too many people (especially on line) I came to that conclusion a while ago.

356524 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #375 of 2159 🔗

This is a late reply, but I do hope you swing past again and see this. Try this chap: https://www.youtube.com/c/VoxStoica/videos

The Seneca videos are great, though be warned, Seneca can be sexist (a product of his time), though the Stoic school is certainly not. Take as little or as much as you need, but there is some great wisdom in there.

357006 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ gipsy2222, replying to Hellonearth, 2, #376 of 2159 🔗

Hellonearth, my new resolution is to try to observe events with “detached amusement”. When you think about it, it really is quite amusing that the evidence is all in the open and yet still the masses are hoodwinked. You will be no use to any of us if you stay mad. And we all need to survive to bear witness and hopefully bring justice to some of the perpotrators.

355919 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHUNTZ, #377 of 2159 🔗

It depends what the pressures on us as individuals are, JHUNTZ. List them, plan mitigations/workrounds, learn necessary new skills, etc.

Support is essential – like-minded family/friends/neighbours, or find a group ?.

356530 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JHUNTZ, #378 of 2159 🔗

March should show which way public feeling is going.

355353 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Luckyharry69, 10, #379 of 2159 🔗

This lockdown will go on until March 31.The government has already legislated for it.

355642 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #380 of 2159 🔗

You really think anything will change after that ?

355655 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #381 of 2159 🔗


355359 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #382 of 2159 🔗

Spot on. Winter solstice is Dec 21, the traditional start of ‘winter’.
Handonhispole Matty, ugly boy Witless and others have said they will lock us down this coming winter – which for them means September (close the schools, get ‘ahead’ of the variant from xxx, ‘circuit breaker’ etc etc).

90% chance I would say.

355422 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to FerdIII, 3, #383 of 2159 🔗

Not if they can be locked up first. We can live in hope.

355647 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to FerdIII, 2, #384 of 2159 🔗

If, by Winter, you mean the darkest days of the year, the Solstice is mid Winter and Spring, therefore, starts around 6 and a half weeks later i.e. around 5th February. Birds and flowers know this but humans often believe some other propaganda no doubt produced by those in control of the ‘virus narrative’.

355928 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bungle, 1, #385 of 2159 🔗

i.e. around 5th February

i.e. Imbolc. The quarter day in between the winter solstice and the spring equinox.

355693 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to FerdIII, 3, #386 of 2159 🔗

In general I agree with you Ferd, but there is one factor that could influence that timetable. In November they are having their COP26 climate conference and it is being held in Glasgow! Now, even the mad woke fishwife wouldn’t dare interfere with that. I must admit it would be great fortune for mankind if none of the eco-terrorists could attend as they weren’t allowed into the country because lockdown, but they would probably just shift it online, I am sure Twitter would generously offer to host it and you would hardly be able to tell the difference from their normal output.

355797 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Old Bill, 4, #387 of 2159 🔗

It has been estimated that 40000 will turn up for the conference. If all were to be addressed by Boris and other leading climate experts, and 2 m rule applies , then the area of conference floor necessary would be of the order of 23 football pitches- if square close packed , hexagonal close packing would be slightly more efficient but might be difficult to organise, especially if there are 50 different languages involved.
I wonder if there is a conference room large enough or would it be held on a slope of the Southern Uplands , under the whine and drone of the wind turbines , and of course the rain.
Should be laugh if nothing else.

356549 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mikewaite, #388 of 2159 🔗

On the other hand, they could do a House of Commons on it. 6 people in a huge room and a handful with an appointment on Zoom.

355360 ▶▶ l835, replying to Luckyharry69, 11, #389 of 2159 🔗

There’s too long a gap between March and September. People will revert to their old bad habits, mini lockdown in June to keep them on their toes?

355449 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to l835, 5, #390 of 2159 🔗

they will maintain the tiers to maintain the fear, control and compliance!

356159 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #391 of 2159 🔗

No, it won’t be the existing Tier structure. To keep us all unsettled, they’ll want to add some new nonsensical and irrelevant restrictions that the public can’t hope to follow, backed up with a Scottish style hotline so we can inform on our neighbours.

355403 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #392 of 2159 🔗

How about a Coviditus strain, a Covidian strain, a lockdown strain, the possibilities are endless…..

355444 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Luckyharry69, 6, #393 of 2159 🔗

will hit confidence in the economy and business investment. Why would anyone buy a cafe/pub/high street store if they are continually threatened with lockdown and loss of income. I can’t see the high street recovering from this while this is the case.

356550 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to penelope pitstop, #394 of 2159 🔗

That was the plan!

355492 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #395 of 2159 🔗

San Marino,Lichtenstein, Andorra?

355522 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #396 of 2159 🔗

Please make it Luxembourg.

355544 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #397 of 2159 🔗

This continues now, for 3 years, until they cancel the general election. They will then announce their ‘Ten Year Recovery Plan’…

356209 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Luckyharry69, #398 of 2159 🔗

Wakanda virus.

355342 landt2020, replying to landt2020, 39, #399 of 2159 🔗


A police investigation has been launched after “anti-Covid” propaganda was distributed to homes and placed on cars in a Hampshire town.
Police say they have received a number of reports of these leaflets being distributed in the central Eastleigh area.
The material questions the current lockdown rules, the “validity” of information being published by both the government and the press, and even quotes Nazi Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels.

A number of reports to the police?? Jesus. Is distributing “anti-covid propaganda” a crime?

355354 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to landt2020, 31, #400 of 2159 🔗

Maybe I should call the police to complain about the propaganda being delivered to my tv and question the validity of the information…

355356 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to landt2020, 13, #401 of 2159 🔗

‘Thought crime’

Please go see O’Brien in room 101.

355489 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to FerdIII, 1, #402 of 2159 🔗

Get the rats ready.

355366 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to landt2020, 22, #403 of 2159 🔗

If they can arrest a woman in her home for uploading video of an empty hospital this evil government can do anything, or think they can do anything.

We are the many, they are few!

355402 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Bella Donna, 12, #404 of 2159 🔗

Yes but those arselings have all the guns, platform shoes, body armour and attitudes. We the sheeple have spoons, a butter knife and a wet towel.

355550 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to FerdIII, 9, #405 of 2159 🔗

In Lawrence Freedman’s excellent book, Strategy, he points out that the numerical advantage is always the trump card. Keep the faith.

355881 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 2, #406 of 2159 🔗

Absolutely !

355569 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to FerdIII, 2, #407 of 2159 🔗

And there don’t seem to be many who actually take up even those ‘arms’ if they were called on to do so. People have been cowed good and proper.

355880 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FerdIII, #408 of 2159 🔗

We the sheeple have spoons, a butter knife and a wet towel.

 Not strictly true that, FIII.

356554 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FerdIII, #409 of 2159 🔗

Not a bad arsenal. Just needs determination and some imagination.

355373 ▶▶ l835, replying to landt2020, 5, #410 of 2159 🔗

I wonder what the offence is, inciting a breach of the peace, hate crime, littering?

355452 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to l835, 8, #411 of 2159 🔗

I think we’re pretty close now to dropping all pretence of any rule of law, and openly embracing fascism

355374 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to landt2020, 8, #412 of 2159 🔗

This is really chilling.

356577 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #413 of 2159 🔗

It also shows what horrible neighbours some people have. I’m really happy someone helped her. I hope it won’t deter her from spreading the truth.

355385 ▶▶ iane, replying to landt2020, 3, #414 of 2159 🔗

Not yet; but give them time!

355426 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to landt2020, 10, #415 of 2159 🔗

This happened in Essex too. Thankfully Rebel News helped the poor woman get an apology out of the Police:


355517 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 3, #416 of 2159 🔗

Thanks for posting that. A great encouragement.

355883 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Londo Mollari, #417 of 2159 🔗

Must have been the envelope of leaflets I posted to Colchester plod …

356564 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #418 of 2159 🔗

What it shows is the police are making it up. We want justice and those authorising the terrorising of the general public should lose their jobs. Thank goodness there are people who fight for those being persecuted by the Establishment.

355574 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to landt2020, 4, #419 of 2159 🔗

Good job everyone delivering the truth can now wear a full balaclava 24/7
hoist by ones own petard maskochists

355659 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to landt2020, 3, #420 of 2159 🔗

Anything that threatens Johnson and his cabal of covid criminals is illegal.
Or if it isn’t today, it will be by tomorrow.

355888 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to landt2020, #421 of 2159 🔗

Hampshire plod seem to be taking a more sensible line than Essex plod.

356212 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to landt2020, 1, #422 of 2159 🔗

The public will be beaten until morale improves.

356645 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to landt2020, 1, #423 of 2159 🔗

That is extremely disturbing. Hope some lawyers are available to fight this.

UK is a police state. Not the same as communism. Maybe in some ways worse.

355344 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #424 of 2159 🔗


The ECB want lockdowns lifted by March as good a sign as any that the mood will change considerably then given these cunts actually run the show:-

“What would be a concern would be that after the end of March those member states still need to have lockdown measures and if, for instance, vaccination programmes were slowed down,”

355420 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #425 of 2159 🔗

Yes, as seasonal easing is upon us.

355348 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 18, #426 of 2159 🔗

The Pub Painter story is encouraging – they cannot possibly bring 45,000 people before magistrates to argue their case – so just don’t pay the fixed penalty notices for Covid offences. We may incur some “casualties” but if we resist together they won’t be able to keep this up.

355441 ▶▶ alw, replying to zacaway, 12, #427 of 2159 🔗

I keep saying that like some places in Italy and Germany the hospitality industry is opening up irrespective of government regulations and our hospitality industry should do the same. If thousands do this the agencies will not be able to pursue. We could crowdfund the few that do incur fines.

355472 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to alw, 5, #428 of 2159 🔗

This is what I keep arguing for. We’re doing what we can but we’re pretty much a lone voice in our town.

355563 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to kh1485, 4, #429 of 2159 🔗

Sometimes I think there’s just me and two rellies who are supporting the cause in the whole of Worcestershire.

355487 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to alw, 5, #430 of 2159 🔗

I’ve mentioned this before; how come we never have any reports ( unless it suits their narrative of how “we’re all going to die” of course) about other countries on the MSM?

355714 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to alw, 2, #431 of 2159 🔗

I think some gyms in the north stayed open despite the ban on them (at least during the tiers) and eventually the Government carved out an exception for them. Although I’m not sure about now, as we’re back in full lockdown.

355355 Basics, replying to Basics, 15, #432 of 2159 🔗

Thank you Tracy van den Broek. Your writing above is inspiring. The NHS are the disgrace you descibe so accurately.

355399 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basics, 6, #433 of 2159 🔗

Whilst killing people at home, they do produce some fine dance videos.

355358 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 15, #434 of 2159 🔗

Boris is a liar. What more can I say.

355376 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #435 of 2159 🔗


355380 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #436 of 2159 🔗

Yep, the only good thing he has ever done with his miserable life, albeit for the wrong reason.

355439 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to iane, 1, #437 of 2159 🔗

Like I say ,iane; an opportunist who would say that Black is White or that a seasonal flu is akin to the Black death.

355594 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #438 of 2159 🔗

Yep, he pretty much ended up with the same crap brexit as May, he just strung out the negotiations until the 11th hour so nobody could do anything about it, i voted brexit but just couldn’t bring myself to betray my own principles & vote tory.

Note how ever since hes been in power hes avoided democratic process and ignored the law.

355378 ▶▶ iane, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #439 of 2159 🔗

Quite a lot – but probably unprintable!

355408 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #440 of 2159 🔗

Fuck you Boris and the horse you rode in on. That’s what.

355381 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 13, #441 of 2159 🔗

When the tide does fully turn and the media see the writing on the wall they will turn on politicians, Sage and the public health heroes like the jackals they truly are.

355418 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to vargas99, 4, #442 of 2159 🔗

How will they purge themselves of their own guilt in pushing lockdown and demonising us?

I hope you are right. But I fear the media knows it is in too deep to part with the regime. Such a reversal would impact on their credibility to an extent that would damage their already tottering business model. This applies to the BBC no less than the big commercial institutions.

Not out of any heroism on their part, I think they will stick to the regime and its narrative to the end.

355436 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to vargas99, 2, #443 of 2159 🔗

we can live in hope. and then we need some more jackals to turn on the media, and tear them limb from limb

355534 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to vargas99, 3, #444 of 2159 🔗

We’ve all been waiting for the tide to turn for far too long.

355570 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to vargas99, 2, #445 of 2159 🔗

Not going to happen & if you honestly think there’s going to be an impartial public inquiry think again.

355877 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #446 of 2159 🔗

Negativity. They seem to have got to you, A_s.

356161 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #447 of 2159 🔗

No inquiry true, but this will only last while people are clicking on sensational news items and buying newspapers. When that starts to slow down they will have to switch to, that Johnson dunnit. The TRUE figures of deaths will leak out and the cost of testing will suddenly be front page news. They are only popular opinions till people stop clicking.

355386 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 21, #448 of 2159 🔗

I was banned from Costco (in the US) for not wearing the mask over my nose, and for not putting one in my six year old.

Costco has managed to be exempt from these lockdowns, making it’s owners even more rich… It is corrupt as hell, and little different from mob behavior.

Anyone who hasn’t yet cancelled their membership absolutely should. (And yes, I had already declined renewal when I was banned. The banning enabled me to demand a refund, too).

355480 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to RyanM, 5, #449 of 2159 🔗

Hopefully more people will vote with their feet

355870 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to arfurmo, #451 of 2159 🔗

Those descendants of prison guards acting out again …

356583 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #452 of 2159 🔗

They really are nuts!

355410 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #453 of 2159 🔗

“The thing I just did last is definitely what made the thing happening now happen… if it’s good, that is, otherwise, it’s got nothing to do with me, obviously.”

Is this a genuine quote of Mr. Johnson’s? I notice there a “…..” in the middle. If ’twere filled in would he appear less ridiculous? Maybe it was said in jest?

355423 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #454 of 2159 🔗

No, it’s not genuine, Ned! But I’m sure he thinks it.

355413 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #455 of 2159 🔗

Times leading with this. I note that a number of my family, in NHS employment, who’ve had a positive covid test in 2020,are still taking a vaccine. One of them a 25 year old junior doctor with plans on havi G children.

The vaccine narrative is so strong they simply won’t acknowledge this stuff.

355427 ▶▶ hilarynw, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #456 of 2159 🔗

I will urge my daughter, a final year medical student, not to go near the vaccine but, although having doubts about it herself, she is concerned about pressure that may be put upon her. She is a mature student and would like to start a family as soon as she can – training allowing – and I can’t bear the idea that this vaccine may cause fertility issues. Surely the precautionary principle must be adhered to.

355535 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #457 of 2159 🔗

It’s incredible that this should even be news, let alone a headline.

355415 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 20, #458 of 2159 🔗

Remember 2018?

355438 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #459 of 2159 🔗

Batman flu also seems to have caused mass amnesia

355440 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #460 of 2159 🔗

O’Brien will be coming for you now

355419 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #461 of 2159 🔗

Spain. What is happening, stopped wearing masks?? This has several explanations. Continuously mass testing with PCR although they have LFT. The mortality of C-19 in Spain is currently on the lower side in Europe. The famous mutant strain more transmissible?Very likely. Ireland, which now have 50% of the mutant virus, was not excluded in the total travel ban to UK by all EU countries. There was free traffic from Ireland to Europe. Just show how ridiculous all travel restrictions are for an endemic virus. The best suggestion is that SD will always select strains which are more transmissible in the Darwinistic pressure on the virus to survive. Nothing is going to change that.More lockdowns for transmissible mutant strain? King Canute.

355530 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 1, #462 of 2159 🔗

Again, tho’ : ‘cases’.

355428 alw, replying to alw, 20, #463 of 2159 🔗

Re;Parents are being gaslightedabout home-schooling
My comment

“Son and daughter-in-law work in the financial sector which is keeping what’s left of the economy going. Are they not critical workers? How would you define critical in law? Same argument about what is local. In any event their 2 year old is at nursery, their 4 year old started in reception in September at home. How do you explain this to a four year old, that his sister can go to nursery but he can’t go to school, or mix with his friends, or go to their houses, or mix with them in the park? Peak Covid derangement syndrome from the powers that be and continued disconnect between them and the public they are supposed to serve. The damage to all for generations to come cannot be underestimated. And meanwhile when the son and daughter-in-law have put the children to bed they continue working late into the night often past midnight. There are no words to describe my anger.”

355474 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to alw, 7, #464 of 2159 🔗

Yep. The COVID response is a multi level crime in which almost everybody from every walk of life loses in one way or another in the end. I just wish that more people realised this.

355482 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #465 of 2159 🔗

Every walk of life, let’s say, except for top politicians and ”celebs”, and probably a handful of others with plenty of money and influence.
(I’m not against money and influence – good on them. But in this government-inflicted misery, it’s an issue.)

355493 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Banjones, 6, #466 of 2159 🔗

Yes indeed. There will be a tiny handful of winners. But it is tiny.

My wife and I, as workers deemed ‘critical’ by the Dear Leader (praise be) have lost out financially and in terms of our long term stability during this, due to on and off furlough and threats of redundancy. Our ‘critical services’ are still sometimes required, so the school thing is one of our only ‘wins’. Others haven’t suffered so much financially or in terms of career, but the school thing is one of their ‘losses’. Some people have been absolutely screwed already and have only had ‘losses’.

As we move into an ever more authoritarian society, it’s hard to identify many potential ‘winners’ other than those with the status to be exempt from it all.

As almost every ‘normal person’ has now suffered some form of loss due to the policies, I’m baffled as to why more haven’t woken up. Fear of death/disease is a strong force I guess.

355498 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to alw, 8, #467 of 2159 🔗

My observation, as someone who works for a bank (and I’ve worked from home throughout) is that much of the public don’t understand just how many roles are essential, especially as lockdown gets longer and those things that could have been put off for a few weeks start needing attention. On Radio One the other day, they were still banging on about key workers (meaning nurses, food, etc). I doubt anyone working in insurance, for example, would get any sympathy.

Working for a bank, I’ve been conscious over recent years on how we’ve got such a bad reputation. Just like people, it’s not a binary and good/bad. People don’t realise just how useful banks are, and conversely, not all ‘good’ organisations (charities perhaps?) are without their faults.

355521 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to muzzle, 11, #468 of 2159 🔗

The attempt to categorise activity into essential/non-essential becomes ever more ridiculous the longer this wears on, and it has been quite ridiculous from the beginning.

In the long term basically everything is essential if we wish to retain the standard of living we had pre-2020.

355526 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #469 of 2159 🔗

Absolutely. You can’t turn basic nonsense into sense.

355555 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to RickH, 1, #470 of 2159 🔗

Exactly, and that same problem applies to most of this debacle.

355588 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #471 of 2159 🔗

In the long term basically everything is essential if we wish to retain the standard of living we had pre-2020.


Unless we want to return to the Stone Age. Mind you there are people such as Greta, Attenborough and Caroline Lucas who would be happy for us to do so.

355652 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #472 of 2159 🔗

Oh yeah definitely. I’m sure characters like that are loving these interventions. They know that if they were to let the market decide, their ideas would be roundly rejected despite lots of people paying lip service to them!

355862 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #473 of 2159 🔗

What’s not to like – no masks, no distancing, no lockdowns, no tests, no vaccines. 🙂

Worth putting up with no central heatin and the odd sabre-tooth …

355560 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to muzzle, 1, #474 of 2159 🔗

Hmm “insurance” an essential service? WTF! Insurance is basically selling fear of the future.

355579 ▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #475 of 2159 🔗

It’s useful to manage financial risk.

355564 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 6, #476 of 2159 🔗

Any person that works is in effect a critical worker – if you don’t work you won’t get paid and won’t be able to pay the bills

355855 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to alw, 1, #477 of 2159 🔗

… can’t mix with his friends, or go to their houses, or mix with them in the park?

Your son needs to find like-minded people and ensure your grandkids have the above things.

355437 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 57, #478 of 2159 🔗

Friends, I bring you a powerful real time example of positive and passionate de-radicalisation tactics that we ALL need to employ.

On our morning walk we noticed that a tiny cafe we hadn’t walked past for a few weeks was open and empty. I said, “Let’s support the local business, they must be having a terrible time.”

As we walked up to the door I saw a printed sign. “If you have a mask exemption, please wait here and order from the door. We fully support you but we’re just trying to keep everyone safe.”

I VERY politely, but passionately explained to the girl serving behind the Perspex screen (and mask free herself because obviously a Perspex screen keeps her “safe”) that the sign was breaking the law under the Equalities Act 2010.

Her: But we’re not refusing you service, just asking you to stand outside to keep people safe.

Me: That is discriminating against me on the grounds of my disability.

Her: No, because we are not refusing to serve you.

Me: But you are segregating me. You are treating me differently. You are humiliating me. This is against the law. Could you write, “If you are black you must stand outside, only white people can come in.”?

Her: No but the colour of your skin isn’t going to infect me with a virus.

Me: Nor is my unmasked face.

Her: But the government says it will.

Me: The government is lying to you. Masks do not stop the spread of a virus.

Her: (with a nervous laugh) But that means they are lying to everyone.

Me: Have you never heard of a government lying? When the German economy was collapsing Hitler told the population that Jews were to blame, that Jews were dirty, disease-ridden people who were a generic threat. People were encouraged to put signs on their shops saying, “Jews not allowed to enter.” And that is where it starts.

All this was done compassionately, with NO aggression. We could see on her face (because thankfully she wasn’t wearing a mask herself because… PERSPEX SAVES LIVES) that something was shifting in her mind.

I said, “Look, I am not here to threaten you or get into an argument I need to win. Please just tell the owner that he is breaking the law by putting this sign up. And please do some independent research on masks. And on the Equalities Act 2010. And on Nazi propaganda.

My fear is… this government will do ANYTHING to protect itself. How long before they repeal the Equalities Act? Or rewrite it to exclude the rights of filthy non-mask wearing vectors of disease? They HATE us for refusing to be dehumanised. And there is nothing more dangerous than an angry, ashamed, desperate politician.

355456 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #479 of 2159 🔗

They have already forced the NHS to systematically violate the ethical obligation to only provide treatment on the basis of voluntary informed consent.

355471 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #480 of 2159 🔗

I know. The unethical madness of that fact is too much for me. Can’t even go there or my head would explode. I’d lose the will to carry on. I’m just going to tackle the discrimination of the unmasked. People blindly trusting the government and engaging in a genetic-modification biotechnology experiment without fully understand the potential implications will unfortunately have to fend for themselves.

356415 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #481 of 2159 🔗

And informed consent about any of the three vaccines, is almost impossible to give.
Because you need to do hours and hours of research to uncover largely hidden or rapidly censored information.

355464 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #482 of 2159 🔗

Its true, but they will then also run into the problems of the past, like b&b owners who don’t want gay people, and all of the other prejudices

355495 ▶▶ nootnoot, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #483 of 2159 🔗

We unfortunately now have a generation of people who are not taught to think for themselves.

I was brought up to think and make my own opinion. If a group of people came running round the corner shouting “quick run there’s a hungry lion chasing us” most people would follow on blindly. I’d be the one standing there waiting to see if there actually is a hungry lion coming and is it a threat.

Well done on getting someone to try and think though.

355591 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to nootnoot, 5, #484 of 2159 🔗

We unfortunately now have a generation of people who are not taught to think for themselves.

It’s worse than that. They are simply ineducable in that area, teaching would make no difference, as they *need* to be told what to think/say/vote for etc.

355826 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to nootnoot, 3, #485 of 2159 🔗

Cool – you’d save me by getting eaten if there was a hungry lion about. 🙂

Different shouted warnings, different responses maybe ?

355502 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #486 of 2159 🔗

Brilliant stuff.

Sadly most people don’t have the time or energy or inclination to read past the government rules, the BBC and the Daily Mail.

356627 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #487 of 2159 🔗

Most don’t even read them. They just check the headlines and swallow what breakfast tv or radio gives them.

355553 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #488 of 2159 🔗

Indeed it shocks me daily the blind faith people have for government & how readily they comply with even the most ridiculous diktats given. There are days I seriously contemplate whether these people deserve rights or freedom.

355593 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #489 of 2159 🔗

On yesterday’s Richie Allen show really Interesting discussion with Ryan Cristian of The Last American Vagabond on how people are being labelled as a conspiracy theorist if they question the narrative and research, almost a deliberate strategy to dumb down people or marginalise them for thinking differently and having a different opinion. V dangerous.

355603 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #490 of 2159 🔗

Great stuff and that’s a good way of pushing back and encouraging people to see past the propaganda.

However this is also symptomatic not only of poor education but the general public’s over all lack of curiosity and willingness to take on things at face value.

355443 Banjones, 13, #491 of 2159 🔗

Johnson claims lockdown is working.
Well he would say that, wouldn’t he?

355445 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #492 of 2159 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643551/Global-over-population-is-the-real-issue.html is no one else putting 2 and 2 together? Boris.. Stanley.. Nut Nut.. Prince Charles..  they are out to save the world for themselves.

355458 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to chaos, 3, #493 of 2159 🔗

We plebs are destroying their world!

355485 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to DanClarke, 2, #494 of 2159 🔗

Scorched Earth it is then. Talking of which… have any of them decided who is going to look after all of the nuclear power stations? Without constant nursing, they’ll get themselves into a bit of a state. Would be a bad time to be anywhere near France.

355608 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #495 of 2159 🔗

They’ve probably already worked out the numbers of surfs they’ll need to allow to survive.

355536 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to DanClarke, 3, #496 of 2159 🔗

THey view us as tramps squatting in their garden – or as Johnson said:

“bacilli in a petri-dish”

355604 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to rockoman, 1, #497 of 2159 🔗

Did he say that? Funny, I’ve always said they think of us as ‘mould’; you know, it sort of hangs around and you can wipe it off if you need to, but should you somehow need it, it will grow back eventually.

355695 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #498 of 2159 🔗

Ha. What a coincidence. That’s exactly what I think about them.

355451 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #499 of 2159 🔗

Lots of testimonials pouring into the vaccine injury group

Gab groups

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054

Lockdown sceptics https://gab.com/groups/7848

355621 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #500 of 2159 🔗

Will have to take your word for it :o((

355453 DanClarke, 13, #501 of 2159 🔗

Load of BS. Now we have the elderly in queue’s in the cold, thinking the vaccine will stop them dying, there are going to be a lot of disappointed people. Then young people on tv, ‘if it saves one life’ when the elderly Brexiters were reviled and all sorts wished on them because they were apparently going to stop the young travelling.

355455 JanMasarykMunich, 12, #502 of 2159 🔗

Important statement from Prague City Hall on Freedom of Assembly following anti-Covid measures demo.

Official stated that Charter of Human Rights, including right of free assembly, is over and above individual laws and regulations (masks, etc), and that demonstrations cannot be disbanded because of these regs being broken. This contrasts with police practice in UK, Germany, where police actually deliberately hem in protestors and use the regs to justify ending protests.

And a joke from 1980s Czechoslovakia:

‘Of course we have freedom of speech. You can say whatever you like, and we will decide how to punish you.’

355457 Guirme, replying to Guirme, #503 of 2159 🔗

Does anyone know what is happening in Spain where against the general trend of a gentle decline in cases we have a massive rise?

355463 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Guirme, #504 of 2159 🔗

There’s a post about this earlier today.

355459 Julian, replying to Julian, 7, #505 of 2159 🔗

Just noticed this lot: https://harteam.org/ no longer have a Twitter account – does not exist!

Mission Statement HART is a group of highly qualified UK doctors, scientists, economists, psychologists and other academic experts with a strong and broad, multidisciplinary evidence base.
We aim to provide a credible SECOND OPINION for politicians, the media, businesses and the wider public.
When the Government decides that there is only one possible answer to a question, they risk more than the damage inflicted simply from being wrong. The public’s trust in science itself is put at risk.
Science without debate is not science; it is merely a belief. An opportunity for other qualified voices to question the assumptions of SAGE / Independent SAGE must be granted.
Current Conclusions We believe there is an urgent need for scrutiny in the following key areas:

  1. The benefits versus harms of lockdowns across the whole of medicine and to wider society;
  2. The benefits versus harms of school, college and university closures;
  3. The benefits versus harms of universal mask wearing in the community;
  4. Mass-testing procedures and associated data analysis;
  5. A full assessment of the negative psychological impact, on individuals and wider society, of the government and the media’s communication style;
  6. Safe and effective treatment and prevention/prophylaxis options in addition to, or as alternatives to vaccination.

The locking down of an entire nation of mostly healthy people, shutting down the economy and long-term school closures cause great harm, both short-term and longer-term. Young and disadvantaged people are worst affected, as are the elderly, in whose name many of the actions are being taken.
Government policy should be subject to analysis that more robustly evaluates the effectiveness of restrictions and lockdowns, and also takes account of the harm caused by such interventions. Decisions must be taken with an ethical and moral framework that reflects the established culture and values of our society. Historically, such analysis was a core function of public health practitioners, but this has been lost due to a myopic focus on suppressing a single virus, regardless of the costs.
Recommendations from HART are founded on public health principles that were well established prior to this pandemic. HART also believes that fundamental values that form the basis of our society should never be diluted or removed. Doctors should first do no harm and should recognise the legal and professional requirement for fully informed consent to be obtained for all medical interventions, without coercion or imposition of restrictions, conditions or limitations.

355491 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, #506 of 2159 🔗

I’ve just been able to access their twitter feed. Last post 9 hours ago.

355501 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, #507 of 2159 🔗

Do you have a link for that?

355511 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, #508 of 2159 🔗
355524 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, #509 of 2159 🔗

Thanks. Looks like they changed the account name. Found it now.

355531 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 2, #510 of 2159 🔗

Great! I’m really interested to see what they are going to put out there. I am not optimistic, but any concerted effort made by a group like this is worth supporting.

355636 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Charlie Blue, #511 of 2159 🔗

Charlie… see my other comment

355626 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Julian, #512 of 2159 🔗

PCRClaims / HART /Them4us/Time for recovery


It appears that one is set up with a web site asking for donations and help (provide no information), then another one appears, then another and so on..
Money and expert harvesting. The former can not be achieved without the later.

PCRClaims used photos of the ‘experts’ and reference them as their spokespersons. The scam seems very obvious, the question are any of these experts are part of the scam?

Jo Rogers PCRClaims: Check out her photos and videos

The organiser of PCRClaims (Jo Rogers)


has her profile on a talent web site StarNow


where she describes herself as an actress, extra and TV presenter.

HART are a followup scam to PCRClaims and them 4 you

355785 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Helen, #513 of 2159 🔗


Something of an odd niche for scammers to pick

355837 ▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Julian, #514 of 2159 🔗

Could be Julian.
But there are some very odd things going on.
Can you explain the oddities?

How do you explain Ms J Rogers being an actress, a Solicitor running a ‘legal’ firm (Navistar legal… closed its office in Ascot on 7/01/2021) and Covid activist. Have you listened to her speak? Is she plausible? What have they achieved since their launch?

PCR Claims office in Edinburg is only a business service address ..the phone number does not work. HART organiser Edinburg connections.

HART have the same kind of modus operandi. Ask for donations and qualifications / provide no information in the first place.

Why are experts having their names removed from the PCRClaims spokesperson web site (only 2 left) just as HART is launched offering another group to them to join?

To harvest money all over again from the same people perhaps?

This same thing has been going on in Germany why not the UK.

355852 ▶▶▶▶ Helen, replying to Julian, #515 of 2159 🔗

not really Julian.

Same thing has been going on in Germany
Querdenken and Corona Tourbus funds vanished into the pockets of crooks and fraudsters.

You should investigate yourself .. all very suspicious

356720 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Helen, #516 of 2159 🔗

LAte reply. But if you read it, I would be very interested in you have any links/info (German fine) on Querdenken fraud.

355460 adele, replying to adele, 4, #517 of 2159 🔗

Does anyone have any idea whether the mRNA vaccines will be detected with a PCR test? Presumably, the injected code to make a spike protein are the same code the virus uses, and if the PCR test picks up fragments there’ll be a window of time in which they’ll be detectable?
I tried searching the question only to be told the PCR test only finds active infections 🙄
Any insight would be appreciated.

355467 ▶▶ adele, replying to adele, #518 of 2159 🔗

Search results

355468 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to adele, #519 of 2159 🔗

“….only to be told the PCR test only finds active infections”

What do you think?

355500 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 3, #520 of 2159 🔗

I don’t ‘think’. I know. In the case of Covid, it’s nonsense. That’s quite clear in terms of Kary Mullis judgment.

But make allowance that this extract is about influenza.

355479 ▶▶ adele, replying to adele, 2, #521 of 2159 🔗

Also found this in the BMJ in relation to flu

355504 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to adele, #522 of 2159 🔗

Doesn’t the PCR test look in your nose for the virus, whereas the vaccine is internal. How would the virus get out of your blood and into your nose?

355533 ▶▶▶ adele, replying to muzzle, 1, #523 of 2159 🔗

Good point. I was thinking if the vaccine induces an immune response, symptoms such as coughing etc may contain the created spike protein? I have no idea what’s possible and can’t find any literature on the topic.

355561 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to muzzle, 2, #524 of 2159 🔗

No, the PCR test looks for viral fragments (cannot distinguish between live and dead) and has to replicate these fragments to get a result. The more you replicate (called CT cycles) the bigger the chance that you will find some fragment.

The ‘manufacturers’ recommend 30 cycles but our amazing Government decided on 45 cycles – an this leads to lots of false positive tests.

If you increase cycles even water will test positive

Anything given internally will spread all over your body and that could include your nose

355601 ▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Victoria, #525 of 2159 🔗

OK. Some technicalities there on what it is they’re looking for in your nose, but my point was it’s “in the nose”.

355699 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to muzzle, 1, #526 of 2159 🔗

However they have said that they don’t know whether a person is infected or infectious after the vaccine. The injection point is in the muscle so that it is close to the circulatory system and can get into the blood, therefore it can reach everywhere in the body. Also it could cross the blood/epithelial interface, thus could present on any mucosa such as the nasal cavities. Hopefully it cannot cross the blood brain barrier.

355461 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 9, #527 of 2159 🔗

The folowing study from the University of Edinburgh suggests that anti-social distancing, if it does slow down the progress of an epidemic, does so at the cost of increasing the ultimate number of deaths from that epidemic.

There are always trade-offs.


I think of it like this. If you are walking through a forest searching for a particular variety of flower, then if you quickly run through, then you will reach a high count quickly at the cost of missing many examples, whereas if you walk slowly through the forest, then it will take longer, but ultimately you will reach a much higher count.

Slowing down the progress of an epidemic hinders the building of buffers of people with strong immune systems, who protect the weak, and instead allows a virus to more efficiently find those with weak immune systems, who are more likely to die.

355494 ▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 1, #528 of 2159 🔗

I’m somewhat sceptical of the Edinburgh work (even if that key conclusion may be accurate).

Although it is essentially concerned primarily only with the validity of the March lockdown, of uses the Imperial model as its base, and concludes :

The results verify that the predictions made from the original model were accurate. “

To which I can only comment : ‘Doh!?’

They may have tried to make the Imperial model more respectable in computing terms, but , essentially, a pile of shit with scent is still a pile of shit.

355509 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 2, #529 of 2159 🔗

I agree – it works within the lockdown paradigm.

I qualify it by saying ‘if it (SD) does slow down the progress of an epidemic’

I don’t think so, since I think transmission is overwhelmingly not person to person.

However,even if one accepts the premise that SD slows transmisson, then one should only use it to keep hospitals within capacity constraints.

355466 NickR, replying to NickR, 16, #530 of 2159 🔗

As of 6th January there were 100,000 NHS staff off sick in England, well 99,934.
This is the cause of the lockdown!

355470 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to NickR, 4, #531 of 2159 🔗

The government appear to be hanging themselves in many respects from their own petard

355473 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to DanClarke, 8, #532 of 2159 🔗

Intentionally.. Boris is onboard with agenda 2030/great reset.. look at the contempt he has for democracy! Where is parliament? Behind every good man is a good woman. Behind Boris there is his pleb hating environmentalist posho dad and Boris’ posho green young legover.

355475 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 5, #533 of 2159 🔗

No – they’re hanging us. 

355700 ▶▶▶ houdini, replying to DanClarke, 1, #534 of 2159 🔗

You can be blown to bits by ,but not hanged from a petard.
In this case perhaps being hung then blown to bits would be a fitting end for them.

355865 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to DanClarke, 2, #535 of 2159 🔗

pendantic correction
Shakespeare ‘s phrase, “ hoist with his own petard “, is an idiom that means “to be harmed by one’s own plan to harm someone else” or “to fall into one’s own trap”, implying that one could be lifted (blown) upward by one’s own bomb, or in other words, be foiled by one’s own plan.

as mentioned below – a petard is a bomb..
noted that the word petard comes from french for breaking wind. which is quite amusing and appropriate given the government are talking out of their arses

355477 Stephen Williams, 5, #536 of 2159 🔗

I’m in the Eastern Cape, South Africa supposedly at the epi centre of a new tsunami. My sister had to visit her doctor this morning and he says that he hasn’t seen a covid case for more than a week and he runs a surgery in the township.

It is high summer of course and counter intuitive to expect a new wave.

The economy is being ruined but hey ho. All in the name of politics.

355478 Hypatia, replying to Hypatia, 25, #537 of 2159 🔗

I heard that Devon and Cornwall Police were going to use an ANPR camera on the M5 to try to catch out furriners who were crossing the border from other parts of England.

I thought that was ridiculous, but it it sort of true. I know a plumber, who was out and about near Exeter, in his sign written van (you know, saying Bill Smith Plumbing services on the side) when he went to visit a building spares shop on an industrial estate. There he met two of Devon’s finest plods, who politely asked him what he was doing. He explained he was obtaining goods for his plumbing work, on his way to a plumbing job.

Plod thought for a minute then said that was OK – they were just checking he wasn’t “having a wander” for no reason.

A plumber. In overalls. With a van with “Plumber” on the side. On an industrial estate. What else did they think he would be doing, sightseeing around the warehouses?

355483 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Hypatia, 6, #538 of 2159 🔗

Papers Please!

355575 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 4, #539 of 2159 🔗

You mean: Ausweispapiere bitte

355600 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Robin Birch, 1, #540 of 2159 🔗

schnell schnell!

355613 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Robin Birch, 3, #541 of 2159 🔗

Or vashi dokumenty

355486 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Hypatia, 7, #542 of 2159 🔗

I’m 90% certain this is an abuse of public property. The ANPR cameras are for detecting insurance and VED evaders, rather than general surveillance. Proving this is what they’ve done is entirely another matter of course!

355557 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Hypatia, 3, #543 of 2159 🔗

What were they doing there? Having a doze? Dogging? Stuffing their face with a bacon roll?

355690 ▶▶▶ Hypatia, replying to stefarm, #544 of 2159 🔗

Ah, sorry, I didn’t make it clear. Apparently they were with their ANPR, and gave him a tug because it had shown his vehicle to be registered outside Devon.

355778 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Hypatia, #545 of 2159 🔗

Noted ✌️

355610 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Hypatia, 1, #546 of 2159 🔗

Was there a burger van nearby?

355807 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FenTyger, #547 of 2159 🔗

or a donut van ?

355481 NickR, replying to NickR, 8, #548 of 2159 🔗

I’ve added total Covid bed occupancy to hospital staff absences. Make of it what you will.

355567 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to NickR, 1, #549 of 2159 🔗

Clearly the NHS is causing the virus deaths. All holiday cancelled!

355484 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 10, #550 of 2159 🔗

I don’t know what other commenters think, but I am sick of seeing the word ‘infections’ used ATL without inverted commas.

It has been established beyond doubt that a positive PCR test is not the same as an infection, particularly given the number of cycles typically used.

Accepting without question your opponent’s flawed premises in a discussion is the same as fighting him on the ground of his choosing with his favourite weapons.


355497 ▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 2, #551 of 2159 🔗

I am not sure I would use the word “sick” but yes I think we should avoid using words that reaffirm the nonsense world that has been created around covid

I don’t think TY and the other writers are accepting our opponents’ flawed premise – I think it is just hard to escape from using words on their terms as it has been drummed into everyone relentlessly

355488 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #552 of 2159 🔗

There is hacked report from Pfizer now going around today about their animal testing.

355515 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #553 of 2159 🔗

The problem is the very few animals tested for the vaccine
 Page 50: “In addition, the low number of animals of the male sex only that were studied only for a short time period weakens the conclusiveness of the study.” n = 6 (monkeys) can indeed be considered a “low number”. What’s next? Elderly homes?

355519 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to swedenborg, 1, #554 of 2159 🔗

Thanks for the link, I’m looking forward to the chaos this is about to cause. Glorious.

355496 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #555 of 2159 🔗

an excellent watch – opens your eyes to whats going on….

How the “Greater Good” is Used as a Tool of Social Control

355682 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Major Panic, 2, #556 of 2159 🔗
355503 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 30, #557 of 2159 🔗

Report from the front line.
Morrison’s no problem, Iceland no problem ( cornflake blackout sorted them) M&S no problem ( floral blackout sorted them) Sainsburys small local no problem.
Don’t forget skeptics fake blackouts work best in the smaller medium sized premises, panic and disruption can be concentrated in a smaller area.. public transport also..
WW2 mask use in Banks, Doctor’s surgeries, small local shops, Post offices, the effect of the mask in small public services areas is a sight to behold…

355507 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #558 of 2159 🔗

Thanks for this. Ties in with my experience at Morrisons yesterday and Waitrose the day before.

Will have to check on my local small Sainsbury’s

355508 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #559 of 2159 🔗

Where do you get your WW2 masks?

355514 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to TJN, 6, #560 of 2159 🔗

A friend of mine who collects WW2 memorabilia on loan, but some skeptics have mentioned ebay as a good source..

355688 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #561 of 2159 🔗
355947 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #562 of 2159 🔗

I’m totally against masks of course, but I do admire an absolute piss take. I hope you get to drop in on SAGE sometime.

355589 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TJN, 6, #563 of 2159 🔗

All over ebay
quire reasonable too – I am starting a collection

355602 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #564 of 2159 🔗

Don’t forget to wear them in public, pick one that brings out the best in you…

355949 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Crystal Decanter, #565 of 2159 🔗

Ta – I’ll take a look.

355532 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #566 of 2159 🔗

Bruces blackout operations always put a smile on my face, thank you!

355505 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #567 of 2159 🔗

Apparently Ireland is currently the world’s worst hit Covid country with cases at 128.8 per 100,000. Now I’m not saying deaths aren’t going to rise a bit but just look at the Euromomo data. They’ve been having the LOWEST death rate in the last 5 years. Recently the peak below the line was almost as big as the peak above the line in spring.
Make of it what you will.

355529 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to NickR, #568 of 2159 🔗

Hubby pointed this out to me the other day. We are in the North of Ireland and I recall it being mentioned here a few days ago how there are strange differences in the data here and over the soft border.

355506 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #569 of 2159 🔗

Many of us may have more time on our hands than we care for, so I recommend a movie as essential viewing in times of covid.

Judgment at Nuremberg (1961)

It has an exceptional cast & portraits a lesson from history, it seems we must learn all over again. (you may even find it available for free online).

355541 ▶▶ John001, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #570 of 2159 🔗

Does anyone think that mandatory masks legally count as forced medical intervention (very illegal)? In Japan they’re voluntary. In Scandinavia espec Sweden their use is limited. In Tanzania I doubt there are any except in hotels catering to westerners.

355556 ▶▶▶ jrsm, replying to John001, 4, #571 of 2159 🔗

I would say they do, because they are supposedly used for a medical purpose ( preventing disease transmission), and significantly interfere with your respiratory system, especially if you wear them all they long. Also, they are medical experimentation, because they have never been used on a large-scale on the population and shown not to cause harm.

355578 ▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to jrsm, 4, #572 of 2159 🔗

So, with their own policies on the NHS/gov website stating any medical intervention requires consent, and emphasise upholding international human rights laws, their should be a case that masks cannot be mandatory – but then I suppose the exemption is the caveat. This is when we need lawyers speaking out about where the law stands with the multitude of rules and regs.

355543 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #573 of 2159 🔗

In that vein I would recommend the BBC’s 1997 documentary series, The Nazis: A Warning from History , which shows inter alia the complicity of the majority of the German population in the regime’s crimes against humanity.

355510 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #574 of 2159 🔗

Has anyone noticed that the GOV UK lockdown guidance was changed on 13th January (yesterday)? Adam Wagner’s Twitter feed hasn’t caught onto this but has anyone seen what specifically was changed?

National lockdown: Stay at Home – GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

You can learn a lot about government thinking by tracking the changes here.

355539 ▶▶ stevie, replying to jhfreedom, #575 of 2159 🔗

Has the law changed?

 You should follow this guidance immediately. This is the law . There is additional guidance for households with a possible or confirmed coronavirus infection .

355573 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to stevie, #576 of 2159 🔗

No the law hasn’t changed. And the guidance you linked to was updated on 18th December.

Something has changed in the main GOV UK guidance because it says it was updated 13th January.

I’m just curious as to what has changed – I have scoured it but can’t spot it.

355580 ▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, #577 of 2159 🔗

For example, this wording was inserted into the guidance on 6 Jan after it was first published:

If you (or a person in your care) have a health condition that routinely requires you to leave home to maintain your health – including if that involves travel beyond your local area or exercising several times a day – then you can do so.”

I thought this was quite an intriguing addition. So I am curious as to what the latest one is.

355582 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #578 of 2159 🔗

Hmmmm…I just had a look at the link you posted,
This caught my eye…

“ Further reasonable excuses

There are further reasonable excuses. For example, you may leave home to fulfil legal obligations, or to carry out activities related to buying, selling, letting or renting a residential property, for the purpose of picketing, or where it is reasonably necessary for voting in an election or referendum”

So, you can actually do picketing?
Does that mean we can set up picket lines outside parliament & other government buildings?
Or would that be swiftly battered down by the TSG & their likes?

355590 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, #579 of 2159 🔗

Those were in there from the start.

I’ll keep looking…

355609 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to jhfreedom, #580 of 2159 🔗

Aaahhh…I see. Apologies.

355638 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, #581 of 2159 🔗

It may depend on what is meant by picketing in these circumstances.

355671 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, #582 of 2159 🔗

From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picketing
This would imply that you can picket outside your local supermarket or HSBC bank as a protest against their face covering policy.

355523 CrazyHoarse, replying to CrazyHoarse, 19, #583 of 2159 🔗

Allison Pearson says: “Our freedom must return not a day later than necessary”. This is surely begging the question, she’s assuming that it is necessary in the first instance to remove our freedom. We have to demand that our freedom is restored no later than right now

355528 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to CrazyHoarse, 6, #584 of 2159 🔗

Freedom is not given, it is taken.

355646 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 6, #585 of 2159 🔗

it is the difference between the continental Napoleonic law and what was the UK law before this shitshow started
Napoleonic law lays down what you can do
UK law used to just lay down what you cannot do.

355542 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to CrazyHoarse, 4, #586 of 2159 🔗

Like many previously staunchly sceptical mainstream commentators, she seems to be softening her line.

355635 ▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to Adamb, #587 of 2159 🔗


355558 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to CrazyHoarse, 7, #588 of 2159 🔗

I read the article yesterday and was very disappointed at the tepid nature. No real points being made, no challenges to the current policies, no mention of the implications of the delayed second dose (considering her main theme was her mother getting vaccinated),just a rather sugary account of her mother having the vaccine. Is Alison veering towards the dark side along with talk radio.

355629 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to CrazyHoarse, #589 of 2159 🔗

You do not have any freedoms
only privileges

355686 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Crystal Decanter, #590 of 2159 🔗

Critical people get tgeir head around this.

Rights restored? Wtf?

Rights are supposed in fact to be yours, they cannot be taken away, you can give them away, in theory. Alison is suggesting we can have them given back after been taken.

355749 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to CrazyHoarse, 1, #591 of 2159 🔗

As clearly demonstrated politicians can’t give you freedom they only take it away.

355540 jakehadlee, replying to jakehadlee, 13, #592 of 2159 🔗

It strikes me that the weak point in the mental defences of the Covidians and fence-sitters is the idea that lockdown works.

As long as people are dying of anything that can be attributed to Covid then the emotional override on their reasoning powers can’t be by-passed. They’ll just trundle out the usual “blood on your hands” “if it saves one life” etc, and with the data presented in such a narrative-supporting way its difficult to get anyone to sit down and actually look at the real story behind it.

However – the obvious counter is the growing and very solid data and reports showing that places that lockdown are generally killing more of their citizens. The obvious answer to “if it saves one life” is that it is saving no lives and killing people.

Turn the emotional blackmail on its head – all serious evidence (such as the recent reports from Switzerland and the comprehensive study by Stanford University) is increasingly pointing to hard lockdown being an error that is causing more Covid deaths. Obviously its also causing more deaths from everything else, but bizarrely I don’t think the Pure Ones really care about this, so I’d focus on lockdown spreading Covid more.

If we can destroy the narrative around what is, after all, and entirely novel and experimental approach to epidemic management, then it doesn’t matter what numbers the Doomers throw at us – we can say they are that bad because of lockdown. I believe that is a much easier argument to win than anything around infection or mortality data.

356045 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to jakehadlee, 3, #593 of 2159 🔗

I have said this before but its worth repeating. To the Kill granny abuse I always reply, ah yes, but which granny? We have saved your 80 yo granny. Hoorah. But now what about the 60 yo granny with cancer who you are condemning to death? How do feel about all the grannies with heart and liver problems, don’t they deserve to live too. I may have blood on my hands but you have got blood fucking everywhere.

355546 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 52, #594 of 2159 🔗

Why the Fuck do people keep using the word Boris as per the main headline today,it gives the impression this cunt is some friendly chummy respected person…Most of the words to describe this Crock of shit are unprintable… Johnson should be used at a minimum no respect should be offered..

355549 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 27, #595 of 2159 🔗

Agree 100%

Hitchens says that no-one in his personal life calls him Boris – it’s been used to make him seem cuddly

355872 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Julian, 4, #596 of 2159 🔗

Especially as his name is Alexander.

355552 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #597 of 2159 🔗

Exactly my thoughts.

Johnson has been very nicely marketed.

355585 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #598 of 2159 🔗

We never said ‘Adolf’…

355597 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #599 of 2159 🔗
355547 Norwich Tory, replying to Norwich Tory, 14, #600 of 2159 🔗

If I have to wear a mask, I want it personalised to say:

This mask doesn’t work. Nor does yours.

355615 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Norwich Tory, 2, #601 of 2159 🔗

Make sure they can see it doesn’t work – cut holes all over it. It’ll make a point, and it’s STILL a face-covering.

355623 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Norwich Tory, 1, #602 of 2159 🔗

You can get “steampunk” masks on ebay that have holes in all the right places

355551 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 6, #603 of 2159 🔗

I e-mailed Tesco yesterday regarding their ramped up mask policy. Here is their response (all I have removed is my name so the spelling errors are theirs). I’m slightly reassured but there does seem to be a slight bit of contradiction in the part that is in bold or perhaps a crap bit of cut and paste on his part (in the original e-mail, this was in a different font):

Dear Miss h
Thanks for taking the time to contact me here at Tesco Cheif Executive office.
Miss h, I am sorry that you are concerned that the policy of wearing face coverings are changing, I appreciate why this is and I would like to reassure you that you have nothing to worry about.
When a customer visits our stores, we have numerous signs in and around the store reminding of the social distancing measures that we have in place, it is then down to the customer to comply with the government guidelines, regarding the customer not wearing face covering’s there could be several reasons for this, colleagues will remind all customers to wear one where possible. If any customer advises a colleague, they are medically exempt our colleagues are not in the position challenge them or ask for proof of exemption. We will have additional security in stores to help manage this in the best possible way.
Colleagues will ask the customer to make sure that their face covering covers both their mouth and nose. If the customer refuses, to protect everyone’s safety, they will be asked to leave the store.
I hope this helps and you have a lovely day.
If you have any other enquiries please don’t hesitate to get in touch, I would be more than happy to help.
Kind regards,
Stephen Dunn
Customer Service Specialist
On behalf of the Executive’s Office
Tel: 0800 072 6685

355562 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 4, #604 of 2159 🔗

If any customer advises a colleague, they are medically exempt our colleagues are not in the position challenge them or ask for proof of exemption.

Colleagues will ask the customer to make sure that their face covering covers both their mouth and nose. If the customer refuses, to protect everyone’s safety, they will be asked to leave the store.

2 + 2 = 4
2 + 2 + 5

355576 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #605 of 2159 🔗

ha ha so if you are exempt you do not have the wear the mask in store, but god forbid if you fail to wear a mask ‘properly, we will chuck you out

You can’t make up this nonsense

355586 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Victoria, 3, #606 of 2159 🔗

Someone can (and did) make this stuff up.

355660 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 2, #607 of 2159 🔗

Great! Set in a lovely serif typeface this would make a nice tshirt –

ha ha so if you are exempt you do not have the wear the mask in store, but god forbid if you fail to wear a mask ‘properly’, we will chuck you out

355669 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #608 of 2159 🔗

re comments below.. it is a badly worded email and these two paragraphs together dont make sense.. But they are not meant to be together.
What they are trying to say is that they will not challenge non mask wearers if they claim exemption.
However if someone is wearing a mask (and so hasnt claimed exemption) then they will chase up and have words if they are wearing them wrongly – ie. wearing them round their neck .
Just badly written . No doubt by someone with GCE english and a degree.

355691 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to mj, 1, #609 of 2159 🔗

That’s what I thought. I’ve gone back to him for clarification. Just seemed a bit odd to be providing reassurance to those exempt on the one hand, and then going on to say what would happen to those who can wear a mask if they were not doing so properly. A bad bit of cutting and pasting and a lesson for him that one should always proof read e-mails before pressing ‘send’.

356565 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Hayes, #610 of 2159 🔗

Also against their risk assessemnt that quite clearly states colleagues are NOT to challenge customers so they are deliberately telling their staff to do something against their own risk assessment.

Major HSE transgression that.

355572 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to kh1485, 4, #611 of 2159 🔗

Just FYI on exemptions, for anyone reading this.

The Equality Act 2010 sets out when someone is considered to be disabled and protected from discrimination . The definition is quite wide – so check it even if you don’t think you’re disabled. For example, you might be covered if you have a learning difficulty, dyslexia or autism.

Check if you have an impairment
You have an ‘impairment’ if your physical or mental abilities are reduced in some way compared to most people. It could be the result of a medical condition – like arthritis in your hands that means you can’t grip or carry things as well as other people.
An impairment doesn’t have to be a diagnosed medical condition. If you’re suffering from stress, you might have mental impairments – like difficulty concentrating – as well as physical impairments such as extreme tiredness and difficulty sleeping. It still has to have a substantial and long-term adverse effect on your ability to carry out day-to-day activities.


Discrimination means treating you unfairly because of who you are. The Equality Act 2010 protects you from discrimination by:

  • employers
  • businesses and organisations which provide goods or services like banks, shops and utility companies
  • health and care providers like hospitals and care homes
  • someone you rent or buy a property from like housing associations and estate agents
  • schools, colleges and other education providers
  • transport services like buses, trains and taxis
  • public bodies like government departments and local authorities.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/about-discrimination/equality-act-2010-discrimination-and-your-rights/# !

355649 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #612 of 2159 🔗


355744 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #613 of 2159 🔗

OK now you’ve researched the legislation, list in alphabetical order who cares about little details like legal RIGHTS ?

355783 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Anti_socialist, #614 of 2159 🔗

Ha. Touche.

355583 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 6, #615 of 2159 🔗

Hope Tesco is very proud of the poor quality of this email – the buck stop at the top

355606 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 5, #616 of 2159 🔗

The quality of letter-writing these days is generally abysmal. And I HATE the patronising word ”colleague” rather than ”employee”.

355643 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 3, #617 of 2159 🔗

Indeed, gave me a laugh though. Especially at the mis-spelling of Chief!

355662 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 3, #618 of 2159 🔗

Whoever wrote this should be sent back to school for poor grammar, poor sentence construction and wrong spelling! Massive epic fail.

And yet again its simply copy and paste with no nuance and pretty sure in violation of the government’s own guidance and the relevant legislation.

355670 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #619 of 2159 🔗

And can you believe, I have just received a further e-mail asking “How did we do?”

355726 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 1, #620 of 2159 🔗

The bloody cheek!!!

355732 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 3, #621 of 2159 🔗

The grammar, spelling and overall tone is shocking.
My engl lit graduate friend turned english teacher to people with slight special needs used to collect this kind of stuff as teaching material.
I will show it to her.

355799 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Silke David, 2, #622 of 2159 🔗

I was shocked at the errors also. I think if you are representing the CEO of one of the UK’s largest companies, you should at least have a basic knowledge of spelling and grammar.

355987 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to kh1485, #623 of 2159 🔗

I think there has been a decline in literacy over the past five decades at least in the UK. The late Rhodes Boyson wrote a book on this in the 1970s, in which he blamed Labour governments, but I have failed to detect improvements under the Conservative and Labour governments that came later. At one point in the book he described a man wearing glasses he did not need and carrying pens in a breast pocket to disguise the fact he could not read, Boyson implying this was due to deficiencies in the education system. My guess is that the man probably had severe dyslexia, but to Boyson it was a simple matter of comprehensive schools not teaching people properly.

356086 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Waldorf, 1, #624 of 2159 🔗

Yes, you are right. And also, I think, there is now a celebration of ignorance: you just have to watch modern-day quiz programmes to see that (especially the ‘celebrity’ versions). Being bookish is sneered at and the pursuit of knowledge, something to be mocked.

I went to a comprehensive in the 70s and I wanted to learn but everything was brought down to the lowest common demominator (i.e. lessons were disrupted by the bullies and trouble-makers). In the context of what is happening now, you have to wonder whether the dumbing down of standards was all deliberate.

355566 J4mes, 8, #625 of 2159 🔗

A different type of reporting today here on Sceptics – has there been a change of opinion from: this is a political cock-up, to: this is deliberate? I hope so.

355581 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #626 of 2159 🔗

I am once again concerned with Will Jones’s tendency to accept the government narrative at face value. I note the following in the lead item :

Despite the latest huge death toll …”

which begs a lot of questions …. and

” the fall in infections across England”

… which takes for granted definitions from the narrative.

355614 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 1, #627 of 2159 🔗

PS To observe what I mean, look at the reported ‘Covid’ deaths at :


Now. We know the level of all-cause mortality up to the end of 2020, and, obviously, we know its level during the April spike.

Put your cursor on the NHS bar chart at the 31st December. Note the relative level of deaths compared to the April spike.

Now have a look at the actual all-cause mortality for the year – which shows average or below-average mortality for the second half of 2020.

How convincing is the latest NHS tally in the light of the only accurate data that we have?

No prizes – it’s a bit too obvious.

355619 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #628 of 2159 🔗

Maybe worth emailing them to remind them about this

They are only human and expect welcome constructive comments

355653 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 1, #629 of 2159 🔗

Hmmm … we are, however, talking about the blindingly obvious in data terms, Julian – not some recondite corner of inferential statistics.

355657 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, #630 of 2159 🔗


But I think it is just so hard for anyone, especially people writing in/for the mainstream, to escape from the nonsense narrative

356616 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, #631 of 2159 🔗

I wouldn’t recognise a blindingly obvious datum if it bit me in the throat.

Loads of people are good at data. Some are excellent. Not everybody needs to be.

355641 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, #632 of 2159 🔗

PPS – This article, listed in Round-Up, tackle essentially the same issue of disconnection in data sources :


355637 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 1, #633 of 2159 🔗

Big time. They need to go back to basics. From or with? PCR positive or infectious? Missionary or doggy?

355678 ▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, #634 of 2159 🔗

to be fair, all of us on the site know that the reported figures and the definitions used by the government and the MSM are shite. and that Will and others know that and so dont see the need to caveat each time .
Maybe it needs a standard paragraph at the bottom stating the caveat and linked via an asterisk against the text being quoted.

355689 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mj, 4, #635 of 2159 🔗

One of my favourite quotations :

“Concede the language and you concede the argument.”

355584 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 13, #636 of 2159 🔗

Empirically, and by mistake, I have found that if you blow your nose (silently or noisily) with any handkerchief on passing Warden Hodges at a shop or supermarket entrance, they don’t know what to do, and this confusion seems to last long enough to avoid interception. Try it.

355592 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #637 of 2159 🔗

Well done! Will do so later today….

355599 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #638 of 2159 🔗


355587 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 13, #639 of 2159 🔗

I posted this a couple of days ago (from the govt site). Yesterday I saw a police officer without one!

Some people are less able to wear face coverings, and the reasons for this may not be visible to others.
This includes (but is not limited to) :
blather blather

  • police officers and other emergency workers, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public

(Mind you – I think the word ”serve” is rather outdated, isn’t it?)

355596 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Banjones, 5, #640 of 2159 🔗

yes, control, abuse, assault, etc are more appropriate for todys policing

355687 ▶▶ mj, replying to Banjones, 5, #641 of 2159 🔗

true – it needs another sentence to state that
“police officers will wear a mask in situations where they need to intimidate the public or s where they want to hide their face !

355595 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 22, #642 of 2159 🔗

Bob Moran has submitted his letter to the UK Gov on how to address the current crisis.

355605 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #643 of 2159 🔗


Why would anyone get a test (unless required for a reason)?

355631 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 3, #644 of 2159 🔗

Out of fear. Fear of social shaming. They need that negative test to proudly announce its just a cold.

People are more worried that testing positive will mean they are branded for not following the rules.

355632 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Victoria, 4, #645 of 2159 🔗

Unfortunately they have invented a lot of situations where people need to get tested, for work, travel, school, college and medical treatment.

355644 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 1, #646 of 2159 🔗

Because the police have been writing to people telling them to be tested. Sounds incredible but I know this has happened.

355692 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Basics, 1, #647 of 2159 🔗

and local councils have …. “even if you have no symptoms go and get tested anyway”.

356009 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #648 of 2159 🔗

Yep did a calculation of the testing numbers at the end of the year using the government’s figures. As at the end of December we had done 119 million tests. So, so far we have tested twice the population. This was from the beginning before they ramped up the testing to keep the crisis going. Since Christmas up to last week we have done 12 million tests! This is a total of all four pilars. They have since cranked this up even more as its getting harder and harder to find the positives. This is PCR tests at $150 a pop. So they are testing about 5 million a week! What a waste of money, just to keep people scared.

355598 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #649 of 2159 🔗

re Supermarkets overzealously enforcing face coverings

The government cannot make the face covering section more draconian without changing the Equalities Act or get approval from parliament and therefore are using these stooges to police it but also to plant incorrect information such as:

  • Medically Exempt – there is no such a thing – only Exempt
  • Masks only – Wrong, it is face coverings and that could include about anything provided that your mouth and nose is covered
  • Denied Entry – WRONG, you cannot chuck people out if they are exempt or refuse to serve them as you will be breaking the Equalities Act; would you chuck a black person out due to their skin colour?
355618 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 6, #650 of 2159 🔗

Whilst you are technically correct – ultimately the Government can do what ever it pleases as they have the guns

355668 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #651 of 2159 🔗

Whilst technically correct the govt have to at least abide by the rule of law while those laws exist.

Otherwise their reason for existing is in disrepute.

355683 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #652 of 2159 🔗

Otherwise their reason for existing is in disrepute.”

… so you’ve noticed? 🙂

355733 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #653 of 2159 🔗

how sweet & naive

356603 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, #654 of 2159 🔗

There aren’t enough guns to oppose a united public will. (They like you to think there are …).

357299 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Crystal Decanter, #655 of 2159 🔗

Only if you let it.

355830 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Victoria, 1, #656 of 2159 🔗

The emphasis on masks is intentional and people seem to have gone along with it. The law only mentions face coverings and there is no specification for them.

From the guidance:
In the context of the coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak, a face covering is something which safely covers the nose and mouth. You can buy reusable or single-use face coverings. You may also use a scarf, bandana, religious garment or hand-made cloth covering but these must securely fit round the side of the face.

355607 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 14, #657 of 2159 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55651518 , this is illogical in the extreme. If you catch a virus such as measles then you are considered to be immune for life. They know that the immunity memory for the original SARS is still active so why should SARS-CoV-2 be any different? Also it doesn’t bode well for any vaccine as they depend on the same mechanism to work no matter how ineffective they really are.

355634 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to p02099003, 4, #658 of 2159 🔗

Anyone who carries out the briefest bit of research can see that that’s so. But they treat us like fools who know nothing.
For example, that ridiculous speech of John Redwood’s the other day, praising the NHS for its testing ”success”. (A man I’ve always rated fairly highly – not any more.)

355675 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to p02099003, 4, #659 of 2159 🔗

It is difficult to know where to start with the cognitive dissonance in this “article”. It’s just stupid beyond words. How could anyone possibly consider that a vaccine could be more effective at protection than having the actual virus – just totally illogical. Also weasel words used everywhere – “may provide months of immunity”. No evidence presented and previous studies have negligible re-infection. No explanation again of how they are counting “cases”, undoubtedly PCR positives at 45 cycles. The words “some of those reinfected had high levels of the virus – even without symptoms” are a giveaway that these are not Covid-19 sufferers but false-positives.

Yet another shockingly blatant propaganda piece. They are ramping it up again.

355711 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to p02099003, #660 of 2159 🔗

Lysenkoism that’s why.

355611 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 13, #661 of 2159 🔗

Bank customers could have accounts CLOSED if they refuse to wear face masks in branches

Having spent the last umpteen years closing as many bank branches as possible around the country and in the process making life doubly hard for those living without easy access to a bank branch, I think there would be many many thousands of people who would relish the chance of a showdown regarding masks in branch.

The dilemma for most people isn’t whether or not to wear a mask in a branch …it’s trying to find a branch in the first place! What is it they say??? finding a fully functioning bank branch these days is like finding rocky horse Sh*t!

355617 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #662 of 2159 🔗

do Gab do banking yet?

355620 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #663 of 2159 🔗

Spot on. Our bank closed in December. Now we have to pay in at the Post Office and the bastards still charge us.

355625 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to kh1485, 4, #664 of 2159 🔗

And if your post office is anything like mine there’s constant queues, outside and in the rain and snow…..don’t they just love people!

355834 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #665 of 2159 🔗

A lot of post offices have closed.

357304 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to stevie, #666 of 2159 🔗

Not too surprising, the whole country is heading down the river, but of course we will be able to billz bahk bitteh.

355622 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #667 of 2159 🔗

How times change! Couldn’t get in with anything on your mug until now. They say, you will be asked to remove your face covering if necessary which is an invitation to make a fuss and refuse on the grounds you may get infected. Shambles.

355640 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to DanClarke, 7, #668 of 2159 🔗

Chance would be a fine thing but if I had a nearby bank branch and was challenged to wear a mask upon entry I think I would say something along the lines of:
‘Is it OK if I bring my shotgun in as well?’

355718 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #669 of 2159 🔗

True, my local bank is a Costa now

355824 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to DanClarke, 1, #670 of 2159 🔗

So’s mine!
Well the first closure turned into a gift shop, the second is the Costa!

355747 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to DanClarke, 3, #671 of 2159 🔗

I wonder how they would react if you are masked up , sunglasses, baseball cap and asked to withdraw say 10k in cash ? Can I see some ID please ..ok here you go here’s my driving licence…can you remove your face covering for identification please …no I can’t it’s against the law are you trying to kill everyone here!!! …oh yes of course Mr No face never mind here’s your money

355627 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Harry hopkins, 9, #672 of 2159 🔗

“Could have”. Again with the weasel words and counter to the Equalities Act.

Their seems to be a trend in the UK to assault and obfuscate basic legal rights. That’s why most people have no clue about the articles of our constitution.

As an aside, I never understood why no one on the Brexit side ever pointed to the fact that the Queen was unable to assent to giving away our soveriegnty to Brussels under the Act of Settlement and in line with her Coronation Oath. She has actually rendered herself illigitimate. This is why I supported Brexit, because signing the Treaty of Rome, and the Maastricht Treaty were infact acts of sedition.

356596 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, #673 of 2159 🔗

As an aside, I never understood why no one on the Brexit side ever pointed to the fact that the Queen was unable to assent to giving away our soveriegnty to Brussels under the Act of Settlement and in line with her Coronation Oath.

I saw/heard it raised several times. Oddly enough, it never gained much traction with the msm, politicians, or the constitutional law fraternities. 🙂

355766 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #674 of 2159 🔗

Yep and they would be shitting on themselves if someone sued them for discrimination.


Can you imagine if there was a bank robbery and the police will have to detain everyone in the branch when it took place because they couldn’t identify who the perpetrators were.

356599 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #675 of 2159 🔗

If you were in the branch during a robbery, you ain’t leaving anywhere for a l o n g time.

355612 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 55, #676 of 2159 🔗

Firms told to look for signs of domestic abuse


What like:

Not being allowed out of the house?
Cut off from family and friends?
Being told what to wear?
Being assaulted if you don’t comply?
Financial abuse?
Abuse of your children?
Denied medical treatment?
Being told who you can and cannot speak to?

The sheer brass neck of this dictatorship

355630 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, 5, #677 of 2159 🔗

Families given advice to look out for workplace abuse and extreme cases of employer on employee psychological torture.

Oh, there’s me living in an alternate universe again.

355656 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basics, 11, #678 of 2159 🔗

Citizens given advice about what to look out for government abuse of citizens. Signs include:

Not being allowed out.
Cut off from social contacts.
Being told what to wear.
Being economically punished.
Abuse of your children.
Being forced to have medical treatment.
Being denied medical treatment.
Being subject to constantly changing and arbitrary rules.

355964 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, 1, #679 of 2159 🔗

Haha, how the fuck can you spot domestic abuse over a zoom call. Most laptop cameras are so shite we all look like we have been beaten up.

355616 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 5, #680 of 2159 🔗

Was reading an awful article yesterday by a germalist for the Independent (I still question what exactly it is they’re supposed to be independent from since they rattle out the exact same crap as all the other mainstream outlets). He raged that people are not angry enough at the government for not locking down tighter, which is typical, but what really stood out was his open hatred of you and me for opposing lockdown.

He makes it sound like we have a platform to make our case. He even makes it sound like we’re hogging that fictional platform. When people who only use the MSM for their news see articles like this it must surely confuse them? They don’t see or hear that an argument against lockdown even exists…

Here’s the article if you can bear to look at it: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/imagine-the-anger-if-jeremy-corbyn-not-boris-johnson-had-overseen-the-uk-s-disastrous-response-to-coronavirus/ar-BB1cERSO?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

355624 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to J4mes, 7, #681 of 2159 🔗

The irony is staggering. Blaming sceptics for their policy views which were never implemented. Opening schools was probably the only win in 2020 and they’ve managed to overturn that again.

Sorry, these lockdown policies are what they asked for and guess what, they’ve not worked.

355696 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to J4mes, 3, #682 of 2159 🔗

“germalist” I like that!

355628 Binra, replying to Binra, 6, #683 of 2159 🔗

The fact that lies operate openly without being held to account is principally the effect of the power behind the puppet theatre.
Banking or financial leverage is the ability to starve credit – along with unimaginable influence and ‘fronts’ by which to leverage by hook or by crook.
But without sending an imagination into the ‘black box’ of what is either hidden or set out of bounds, it is clearly coercion, and the pretext that such coercion is anything to do with any kind of concern for our health, wealth or happiness is at best a form of mind control through those so terrified as to have lost or foregone all reason for compliance under coercion, that then serves as the community support for that which terrorises them with ‘solutions’ that lock into fear driven hate, and degrade capacity to question or reflect.
Mind capture is not at all a fanciful idea but the fear, hate and denial of our own mind in exchange for a mask by which to seem to escape or mitigate. That ‘solutions’ are offered by the team that induces hysteria is a well oiled machine that is used all the time in ways that are largely hidden in the ‘normal’ social order in place of conscious responsibility for communication and outcomes or decision.

My sense is that this choking of freedom to live and move and know our being, will proceed in the direction of destroying the conditions that support life, until inherent responsibilities awaken that re-align within life.

The human mind has a capacity for modelling its reality, and to use the modelling as a vicarious and imaginary substitute for experiencing Reality. Dissociation is clearly possible in mind but not in Reality.
This is to say our self-imaged ‘Models’ can become so out of sync with Reality as to become a demand for sacrifice of awareness of Reality to its demands.
The ‘system’ thus becomes the demand for sacrifice of life, in place of being a system conceived and believed to serve life.

It isnt just the Economy of banking sector, but the whole ‘worldview’ that is in the above sense corrupted and split off as a dissociated and compartmentalised ‘house of cards’ that is without true foundation and yet deemed too big to fail.

The issues are so deep seated and fundamental as to bring down the tower of Babel – regarding both our sense of communication and coherent reality – and so they are only more deeply denied, evaded and ingeniously pushed out in repackaged society of redistributed blame and pain – along with normalisation to hate as the alignment in the power to ‘make you safe’ and socially ‘responsible’.

However there is always another way of looking…

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355645 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Binra, 1, #684 of 2159 🔗

Terrific – agree completely.

355651 CivilianNotCovidian, 56, #686 of 2159 🔗

Bob Moran, I hope you read this here as I can only be an observer of Twitterspace, not a commentator,

Thank you
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you
(x current PCR amplification rate)

For your courage, your compassion, your determination, your intellect, your artistry, your humour, your sanity, your strength. You are doing the entire world a huge service and I hope you understand how deeply you are loved and appreciated.

355654 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 15, #687 of 2159 🔗

Ministry of Truth news. (The wife insists).

Some genius professor from Brighton saying even if you’re immune you can still catch it!

Also another genius talking about the effect of ‘Covid-19’ on waiting lists. No mention that the real reason is the closure of the NHS to anything non Covid related!

355661 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to eastender53, 18, #688 of 2159 🔗

“If you’ve had it, you can still get it again”. Let’s see – “had it”. So, you can survive it, then?
“Get it again” – and presumably survive it again. Bit like flu, then or a cold, eh?

355684 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #689 of 2159 🔗

Or Athletes Foot?

355694 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 6, #690 of 2159 🔗

No, that’s definitely Covid Toe. The infected toe should be isolated for [insert bollocks here]…

355712 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to eastender53, 1, #691 of 2159 🔗

No. Just no.

355922 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to eastender53, #692 of 2159 🔗

Interesting use of the word ‘immune’. I suspect had he a proper rounded education he might have said ‘resistant’. But that is one of the many failings of modern education – it allows people to become far too narrow – evident in a different way with the Fat Dictator and his lickspittles.

355658 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 24, #693 of 2159 🔗

When the Ashers bakery company refused to bake a cake with a message endorsing gay marriage they were taken to court and hauled over the coals with the repost that you cannot refuse service based on your particular beliefs.

So how are Costco able to refuse service to those impaired who cannot wear a mask?

Why is this not being challenged by Liberty, Amnesty etc? The govt surely can’t have it both ways?

355667 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 14, #694 of 2159 🔗

It’s all happening too quickly. They are breaking the law but someone has to bring a case against them to stop them. It’s the Wild West our there. Until the system can catch up we need calm, confident engagement. Let them know they are breaking the law. Refer them to the Statutory Instrument that states only that you need a “reasonable excuse” (and one you do not need to divulge to anyone) to be exempt. And then point them to the Equalities Act 2010. Be calm. See the story I posted earlier of real-time active engagement in de-radicalisation.

355836 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #695 of 2159 🔗

Will take a look cheers.

355674 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 13, #696 of 2159 🔗

Staggering how there hasn’t been a peep out of Amnesty about the virual house arrest etc

355698 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, 5, #697 of 2159 🔗

And what about all the various charities also. How come they aren’t out in force about what is being done to us.

355704 ▶▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to kh1485, 10, #698 of 2159 🔗

The disability rights movements are very quiet in relation to the war being waged against the most vulnerable in society who are now not allowed to shop or bank without being accosted by the mob.

355720 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to kh1485, 3, #699 of 2159 🔗

they rely on Gov’t funding

355764 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to kh1485, 2, #700 of 2159 🔗

Charities and NGOs run in the corporate-sphere.
Note that corporations are no less muted and meek in their downsizing or destruction – though the insiders are all stuffing their snouts in the trough.
Carney said of the new green deal that those not complying WILL go out of business. It came across as a threat and not a prediction.

In 2008 the banks were deemed too big to fail.
By politicians who deemed that they should do what they were told by banking.
So everyone else is set to fail to save the control system.
China is the region most ‘freely’ developed for the control system.
Is covid a Xi-op?

Ultimately – it is what you do to yourself that counts.
This cant be understood from a sense of grievance and blame.
But we can own what is ours and release what does not belong to us.
Meanwhile by deceits are the sins of the few repackaged and ‘sold’ to the many. Sin (as self-illusion set over and against truth), works an active death cult that must gain worshippers for its priestly rite to set the rules.
Who is without self illusion?
But sin is not error so much as persisting investment in errors by hiding and concealing them in active lies. Correction is not a matter of eradicating or stamping out ‘sinners’, but of uncovering and undoing the errors.
This must always firstly be awakening and aligning in our own responsibilities, else the sin stamps out its error on the face of its relationships, its world and its children’s children.
‘Sweeping out the Temple’ relates to our own life.
It can also be seen as releasing or dis investing of whatever has no true belonging in your devotions. The mind that made the error cannot be the arbiter of your true desire – for that is simply error replication or garbage in; garbage out.
Reclaiming our thought is recognising and releasing ‘propaganda for fear set in deceit’. It is also always now that we are able to recognise anything. The mind has the capacity to fragment and dissociate in ways that are effectively AWOL or drifting along various and conflicted purposes.

You can wait for others to turn up and speak out or act on your behalf, but what if you are also likewise for on in ways you and they are unaware?
If your mind reacts in thought instead of stilling to listen in the heart, then you are so mind-busy as to be ‘engaged’ or off to lunch. Without reflection, thinking operates as a jamming signal. Looking within is really a shift of perspective – upstream to ‘thinking’.

355792 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Binra, 1, #701 of 2159 🔗

I’m sure this is all very profound, but you’ve lost me. Are you saying I should not wait for others to act and just do so myself, based on what I think is right? If that is the case, I am trying, believe me.

355924 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to kh1485, 3, #702 of 2159 🔗

Because they are too busy putting adverts out in TV asking for money, more money and oodles of money. One of the things that has really made me angry in all of this is how Charities are using it to increase their own profits. I have no time at all for the Charity/Voluntary sector in this country as the whole sector is worth significantly more than the entire agricultural industry put together. They do nothing with the money other than just give information essentially. The Audit Commission said about the NSPCC that 98% of the money raised from their Full Stop campaign went straight into the organisation and its administration and only 2% on any sort of services (generally very poor quality). This is the same across all Charities in this country. Take a look at Barnardos (bunch of incompetent deceitful crooks) The Audit Commission said they had a significantly larger budget than any Local Authority Children’s Services. Again, they don’t really provide any services for all this revenue. But, look at the size of their fund raising teams. They are nothing more than highly paid political lobbyists who have little or no idea about service provision to the vulnerable. However, their Senior Managers are extremely highly paid. The only thing these charities are interested in is money, money, money. They have no interest whatsoever in the client group they purport to represent. I am currently editing a book I have written about corruption within Barnardos which, if it is published, will be an eye opener for the public. They also have a policy of only promoting internally so incompetence breeds incompetence breeds protection of vested interests. Same for Action for Children and other charities.

I don’t give a penny to any Charities in the UK. I donate to only one which is Medecin Sans Frontiers who I know use their revenue to provide much needed health care in poor often war torn countries. They also uncovered and reported things such as the Israeli massacre at Jenine.

I have such dislike of them now especially the myridad relentless adverts they are now paying for that I am seriously thinking about making a formal complaint to the Advertising Standards Authority and the Charity Commissioners.

356573 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, #703 of 2159 🔗

The vast salaries that charity chiefs pay themselves is a bit of a clue …

355701 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to arfurmo, 2, #704 of 2159 🔗

Because we don’t fit into their Messiah complex.

355715 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to arfurmo, 2, #705 of 2159 🔗

These leftist organizations stance is that people have a right to “health” ! Which apparently overrules all other human rights.

355771 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to arfurmo, 1, #706 of 2159 🔗

It’s worse. Wracking my brain to try and think where I heard it, possibly UK column, but they have acknowledged more or less the measures taken are within acceptability due to the ‘unprecedented ‘ situation. I will go and try and source this.

355840 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to arfurmo, #707 of 2159 🔗

Yep its been amazingly quiet for the last 9 months although tbf if they did raise a peep it probably wouldn’t be covered in the media.

355921 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to arfurmo, #708 of 2159 🔗

Odd that. You might almost think they were connected to Western intelligence organisations. Oh, wait a minute…

355708 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #709 of 2159 🔗

Why is this not being challenged by Liberty, Amnesty etc?

Because they’re socialists.

356568 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #710 of 2159 🔗

Liberty, Amnesty, are controlled opposition. Have been for a long long time.

355666 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 4, #711 of 2159 🔗

People below mention Boris – 3 words: Privileged Racist Buffoon.

355680 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bungle, 5, #712 of 2159 🔗


Privileged cunt recidivist

355707 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Cecil B, 2, #713 of 2159 🔗

Creature Of Vast Intellectual Dishonesty

355705 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, #714 of 2159 🔗

More like 4 letter words, i can think of lots of them to describe the johnson.

355745 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bungle, 2, #715 of 2159 🔗

You mean Alex ?

355672 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 20, #716 of 2159 🔗

I wonder what us evil people are going to make the government do to everyone next.

“Now look what you’ve made the government do to us! OBEY THE RULES TO MAKE IT STOP YOU IDIOTS!”

How did we ever get to this?

355677 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #717 of 2159 🔗

The Stockholm syndrome is real.

355676 DThom, replying to DThom, 2, #718 of 2159 🔗

Does anyone have advice regarding if plod are called to a supermarket entrance refusal?How should one deal with them?

355685 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to DThom, 15, #719 of 2159 🔗

Re: face coverings, if you *refuse*, e.g. “I’m not wearing that bloody thing”, you are breaking the law. If you say you are exempt, you are within the law, and the conversation should end there.

355716 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #720 of 2159 🔗

Correct! However some police might still pressure you to give them your exemption reason (Don’t they have no right to ask) and then instruct you to leave (leave without making a scene) – however that is a clear sign to never shop there again

355751 ▶▶▶▶ neilhartley, replying to Victoria, #721 of 2159 🔗

I believe the police are able to ask what your exemption is – but they’re the only ones. I may be wrong.

355759 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to neilhartley, #722 of 2159 🔗

No, you only have to provide it to a Magistrate, not the police, they have no right to know what you are exempt

355760 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to neilhartley, #723 of 2159 🔗

I thought this too plus the dreaded Environmental Health Officers.

355763 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to neilhartley, 1, #724 of 2159 🔗

There is nothing at all in the legislation about police or anyone asking you to prove your exemption. The law only applies when you refuse, they can then “Direct you to wear a face covering” or “Direct you to leave the store/bus”. What they could try to weasel around is the bit about “If an officer considers you don’t have a reasonable excuse”, which is a bit iffy.

355772 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DThom, replying to Sam Vimes, #725 of 2159 🔗

Thanks. Are you obliged to give your details i.e. Name etc.?

355951 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to DThom, #726 of 2159 🔗

Think not, unless you are in a motor vehicle. I don’t know that for sure, others here will have more knowledge.

355762 ▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Victoria, 1, #727 of 2159 🔗

Print of the government guidelines with the relevant bit stating you are not required to show proof, and have it about your person. Display as needed to polite enquiring plod. Should then just be met with ‘ thank you very much madam, sorry to have detained you, I’ll let you be on you way ( as a free English citizen)’.

355846 ▶▶ Graham66, replying to DThom, 3, #728 of 2159 🔗

As a retired police officer I would say that the law around mask exemptions is clear but, unfortunately, supermarkets are licensed premises and, as such, can refuse entry to whoever they like without having to give a reason. However, if the police try to issue a FPN do not accept it as that is an effective admission of guilt.

355681 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 29, #729 of 2159 🔗

China enslaved the world without firing a shot – impressive. But our government were even more efficient, they just allowed the people do it to themselves.

355709 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #730 of 2159 🔗

Indeed impressive and our leaders got outwitted

355721 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Victoria, 2, #731 of 2159 🔗

Oh yes – those inscrutable Chinese.

The Western leaders really wanted us to remain free, they don’t have their own people on the ground in China assessing the situation.

They were all completely outwitted, and now they can’t get out of it.

I guess we’ll just have to stay like this.

Yeah right.

355752 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 1, #732 of 2159 🔗

I think if they were outwitted it was in the court of public opinion and social media and global news

355737 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #733 of 2159 🔗

Why would China destroy their trading partners? Their symbiotic relationship with the US vis. the Reserve Currency mechanism (Triffin Dillemma) has made vast sums for both sides. Meanwhile, Europe buys huge quantities of their plastic shit too. It makes no sense that China would want to do such a thing.

It’s much more likely that western leaders have looked at their industrial revolution (I mean, holy shit, have you actually seen the infrastructure projects underway?) with great envy, compared their own Japan style stagflation and paper promise bullshit circus, and set about crying like children about the unfairness of it all and smearing China, despite getting wealthy off the backs of their enslaved citizens for decades. They even helped turned the HK protests violent to cause trouble for the CCP – why else was the US Sec Def employee pictured meeting with protest organisers?

Especially now that China sees its destiny being increasingly freed from the yoke of western bullshit, and the new silk road project has pretty much ensured that China will dominate global markets.

And what’s the western response? Oh, we’d better send some warships over and pull some right of passage bullshit and try and antagonise them. Which is hilarious, because you’re not winning a war against China – one in five people on the planet is Chinese and their asymetric warfare doctrine would be nigh on impossible to crack.

Besides, who has me on effective house arrest, despite the overwhelming evidence that shows that this should not be the case for the reasons given? It’s not the Chinese, is it?

And for the record, I despise Communism, but I’m also allergic to domestic statist propaganda bullshit.

355750 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 6, #734 of 2159 🔗

Easy. Western economies decimated / collapsed, China has the money to ‘buy’ anything and therefore take control of these naive countries without firing any gun

Most of Africa is already owned by the Chinese -. They provide generous loans / subsidies / bribes to the leaders in exchange for land, minerals / mines, rights, re-settling of large numbers of Chinese citizens, etc

355758 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Victoria, 2, #735 of 2159 🔗


It is as if a post-WW2 economic vacuum has been created without firing a shot.

Remember how good the post WW2 economy was for the US economy?

355918 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to awildgoose, #736 of 2159 🔗

US recovery from the Depression was slower than many places but WW2 definitely kickstarted it and not being devastated by military operations gave it a huge advantage.

355774 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Victoria, 1, #737 of 2159 🔗

That’s a very western-centric view, to rampage about capturing bounty and enslaving. That’s what we have historically done, so we project the same mindset upon the Chinese.

The Chinese are traders, they don’t think in the same way, they enrich themselves with strong trading partners. This is literally the central theme of their 500 year plan. Compare this to US military presence in almost 50% of the nations on Earth. The difference is very clear.

355803 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Victoria, 1, #738 of 2159 🔗

You bet, China is already involved in large scale infrastructure projects in Europe as well. I’m sure somebody told me that the London Gateway, biggest container port in Europe, was being built with Chinese money and expertise.
And didn’t China come to the rescue of some American financial institutions in the mid ’00s when the sub prime hooha threatened?
Our economy isn’t being trashed, it’s being softened for China to take over perhaps.

357313 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to bluemoon, #739 of 2159 🔗

Yes indeed, it’s all China’s fault. let’s send the gunboats.

357311 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Victoria, #740 of 2159 🔗

Whereas the US just bombs them into rubble with the UK cheering it on and helping a bit when it can.

355753 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 3, #741 of 2159 🔗

I don’t think they want to destroy their trading partners, but certainly they’d pleased to get one up on them

It depends if you see global trade as a zero-sum game or not

355811 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Julian, #742 of 2159 🔗

I see reputation as key to building an international trading network. Why plow so much capital and effort into the new silk road and then demonstrate that you are willing to attack your trading partners? Cui bono?

355819 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #743 of 2159 🔗

It’s about control and power!

355972 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #744 of 2159 🔗

This is so interesting, not thought about it from this angle. Do the WEF agendas clash with the Chinese or can they live side by side? I agree the Chinese has some skin in this game but a tanked economy gives them nothing.

357314 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Spikedee1, #745 of 2159 🔗

Tanking its economies is the western way of bringing China into line. I’m sure it will work and Klaus Schwab thinks it’s a great idea too.

355754 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #746 of 2159 🔗


They talk about this constantly internally.

Exporting the, “China Model,” and repaying the West for the, “Century of Humiliation,” are primary CCP goals.

They see subduing an enemy without fighting as the supreme victory, per Sun Tzu.

355702 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 10, #747 of 2159 🔗

Yeah but, no but, yeah but….

(1) Great Barrington Declaration on Twitter: “Head of Immunisation for @PHE_uk -Dr Ramsey announced to the Science & Technology Committee that England may follow a focused protection strategy, where protection is given to the vulnerable and the disease is allowed to circulate among the young where its not causing much harm. https://t.co/WuRZLRXOpT ” / Twitter

So, we are heading back to square one (good old common sense). As with the flu, vaccinations for the most vulnerable, whilst the rest of us get on with life! But sorry, I thought this was not acceptable – letting the virus rip and impossible to focus a strategy simply on those most at risk – yeah but, no but, yeah but…

Little Britain Live – Vicky Pollard – Yeah but no but yeah – YouTube

355713 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to tony rattray, 5, #748 of 2159 🔗

Are we heading back there, or will Dr Ramsey be forced to backpedal furiously and say that she meant something else entirely – and/or find herself moving on to a new role? She’s probably in a dungeon somewhere as I type…

355777 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #749 of 2159 🔗

I think the current term is “misspoke”.

357315 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Charlie Blue, #750 of 2159 🔗

Sounds like she’s kite flying and she will be getting a kick up the arse, after Bill has had a word with Boris.

355706 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 23, #751 of 2159 🔗

Speaking to a colleague who is having to home school her young son and do her day job. Impossible and as her manager I told her to look after her son first.

The productivity within some businesses must be next to zero and as per the norm I’m having network issues so can’t do most of my job.

4th industrial revolution – pffffftttt, fucking useless.

355710 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to stefarm, 14, #752 of 2159 🔗

I dont know how parents are expected to home school and work at the same time.
My two young children are in creche, they are still open – for now(wouldnt be if dickhead Starmer had his way). If they closed I simply could not work 7 hours a day at home with two toddlers.

355717 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #753 of 2159 🔗

Exactly what we said impossible to do both. She receives packages of work sent by the school via an app which she is expected to work through with her son and then try to manage a team doing her day job.

355724 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to stefarm, 8, #754 of 2159 🔗

The reliance on every person being on the internet or have smart phone is unbelievable.
My sister in Germany, who has a child in primary school and is a governor, manages without a smart phone, (to the annoyance of the other parents, of course).
I managed at my work without a smart phone, again, slightly making life for my manager more difficult.

355728 ▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Silke David, 2, #755 of 2159 🔗

Me too, never had one

355730 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Silke David, 10, #756 of 2159 🔗

Excellent, anything with smart in front of the name – smart phone, smart meter, smart car, smart city, smart arse is most certainly not smart!

355781 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 6, #757 of 2159 🔗

So, so true (“smart arse” – love it). I had a smart thermostat for my boiler. Bloody awful thing. It overruled me once too often and was replaced with a dial thermostat. I’m back in charge now and I resist every attempt by my energy supplier to fit smart meters.

355775 ▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Silke David, 1, #758 of 2159 🔗

I always thought being in constant contact was an issue, and I had a (work) carphone in the 1980’s.

355723 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #759 of 2159 🔗

I would hope that a proportion of the lockdown supporters/neutrals who are supportive of or indifferent to the policies, as they have been able to comfortably work from home, will now begin to think about the sustainability of it all. Every time they materially inconvenience the population it should work in our favour.

355734 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 4, #760 of 2159 🔗

Been doing it with my p1. We have her in as daughter of an essential worker but it seems they do little of her actual work. They put her in the large hall with other kids and they are managed by the teaching assistants. The teacher works from home and now sends out recorded lessons and assignments. So when my daughter returns at 2 I need to sit with her and go through them anyway. Takes till 5pm. Impossible to do any work in that time.

355742 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #761 of 2159 🔗

That’s terrible. What a waste of time! My daughter’s school has everyone in their normal classes with their usual teachers following the curriculum.

355770 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #762 of 2159 🔗


355773 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to stefarm, 8, #763 of 2159 🔗

Working at home all the time is rubbish for team collaboration.

I’m a coder, so I can just shut myself away and do work, or even invite someone else to use my screen and we can work on a task together, but when it comes to meetings about what we need to do it all falls apart a bit when you are not meeting in person.

I expect many companies are changing their team structures recently (as if they didn’t spend all the bloody time doing that in normal times anyway). Where I am, there’s been about 2 team structure changes in the last 12 months. If I were cynical, I’d say that this is probably just a way of destroying working relationships to reduce people’s morale further.

At start of lockdown, lots of surveys went round asking people’s opinion about returning to the office. Lots of “we are more productive now” reports came out. What sort of scared employee or team leader is going to say “we are pretty much doing fuck all?”

I expect people didn’t mind so much at first because they hated travelling to work. However, the implications of having the rest of your life shut down are making them far less productive now.

I hated travelling to work, but when in the office, you are totally focussed on the work. A good day goes past quickly.

355835 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #764 of 2159 🔗

Agree, also in IT. ‘Agile’ teams work best face to face. My productivity has dropped and I have told my boss. I still get a lot done, but I have little real contact with colleagues (Teams etc) and feel isolated and out of the loop. I can see a blend of WFH with an Office, but given the hysteria, I really wonder if most will return to the office and if they do, will they be wearing HazMat suits or diapers+shields and ‘distancing’ ??

355904 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #765 of 2159 🔗

I am in IT as well and working from home for 3.5 years. Its perfect for my needs. But, having been on project sites before that, where I made many friends, I now make none. There is no way of forming a close relationship via screen time.

355930 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #766 of 2159 🔗

So true Beef, but its those little social interactions that make the day go quicker. Chatting with a couple of the hot girls in accounts and kidding yourself that, hey if I was single….. hahaha. Then bloke chatting about the footie, rugger or cricket. These interactions are probably half an hour a day in total but man! “That’s life, that’s what other people say”

355722 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 7, #767 of 2159 🔗

This is my MP, Robin Walker’s, reply to my supplying a mountain of scientic evidence against the use of masks and to my questions re testing. As ever, he answers politely and in detail, for which I can never fault him. Until the end of last year I was a Conservative Party member for 45 years since my teens, but I will not be supporting it again. I always say I will be a conservative until they carry me out in a box & I personally like RW and think he is a good constituency MP, but we are being governed according to superstition and irrationality now:

….Dear F. I know that the Government is following scientific guidance to ensure that steps are taken to ensure that people are able to go about their business as safely as possible. It is worth noting that coronavirus has led to a flurry of additional scientific research, some of which is specific to this particular virus, and even over the course of the pandemic we have seen advice change as more studies have been carried out.

Rules about face coverings do not mean people should wear surgical masks or respirators (which need to be kept available for those who need to wear them at work). Instead, people should wear the kind of face covering that can easily be made at home. Face coverings should cover the mouth and nose while allowing you to breathe comfortably, and can be as simple as a scarf or bandana that ties behind the head to give a snug fit. Indeed, the Government has published advice for people on how to make their own face coverings at home.

Some people will be exempt from needing to wear a face covering, for example children under the age of 11. Moreover, some people will have a reasonable excuse not to wear one. This would apply, for instance, to a person who has a disability or a physical or mental illness or impairment which means they cannot wear a face covering. The full list of exemptions and reasonable excuses can be found at the following link:


The Government is now recommending the use of face coverings in all enclosed spaces where you are likely to come into contact with people outside your household.

I hope that these measures will help restore confidence and also add further protection to enable people to go about their daily business. However, it is important to keep in mind that this measure is in addition to the existing safety measures, including regular hand washing and observing social distancing.

We discussed test accuracy at length in a previous communication. In the case of COVID-19, infection is most commonly detected by using a reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR); a test that detects viral genetic material. PCR tests are used to directly detect the presence of an antigen, rather than the presence of the body’s immune response, or antibodies. That is only possible if the virus is there and someone is actively infected. By detecting viral RNA, which will be present in the body before antibodies form or symptoms of the disease are present, the tests can tell whether or not someone has the virus very early on. By scaling PCR testing to screen vast amounts of samples from within a population, public health officials can get a clearer picture of the spread of a disease like Covid-19 within a population.

Preliminary estimates for the current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK it could be somewhere between 0.8 per cent and 4.0 per cent. The tests are also understood to produce false negatives in between 2 and 29 per cent of cases.

I know that scientists and researchers in this area will continue to work to maximise accuracy, and ensure that data reflects that some results may not be correct. However, I would also underline that these tests have been rigorously tested themselves before being approved for use, and they are a vital source of data as we continue to work to combat this virus. I will continue to follow this issue closely.

355738 ▶▶ leggy, replying to frankfrankly, 8, #768 of 2159 🔗

That is only possible if the virus is there and someone is actively infected.

That’s utter nonsense isn’t it.

355756 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to leggy, 4, #769 of 2159 🔗

Spotted that myself and was just going to point it out but you beat me to it! It absolutely destroys his own assertion re the PCR test does it not?

355895 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to vargas99, 2, #770 of 2159 🔗

Facepalm. This is fundamental stuff. If he took an hour to look into that single claim he’d surely be posting on here within a week

355916 ▶▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #771 of 2159 🔗

I sent him long lists of links to peer-reviwed scientific papers, extracts, summaries, graphs etc re testing and masks but it’s pointless.

355739 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to frankfrankly, 13, #772 of 2159 🔗

Looks like his standard response.

I hope that these measures will help restore confidence and also add further protection to enable people to go about their daily business.

Interesting however that they think that if everyone wears a mask that more people will go to shops. They are all deluded. Easy to fix, stop testing and reassure people instead of messing with their brains and scare them

Indeed, never vote conservative or labour (collaborated by not opposing anything) again

355914 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Victoria, 5, #773 of 2159 🔗

Hard for me as I have been an activist and formerly a councillor but the only thing I have left is my vote. I also have 3 Masters degrees & a PhD but you don’t need any academic qualifications to see through this Orwellian nonsense.

355755 ▶▶ kev, replying to frankfrankly, 6, #774 of 2159 🔗

Every PCR test result is invalid unless it accuraely states the Ct number, but that also assumes its valid as a clinical diagnostic tool, which it very clearly is’nt, and was never intended to be.

If they must use PCR, and its obious they must, every positive result should be confirmed by an immediate confirmatory test, if both show positiive that confirms only a positive test result. Its only a “case” if that person is then admitted to hospital with Covid sysmptoms and a subsequent Covid diagnosis from a competent clinician, not further PCR tests.

355776 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to frankfrankly, 6, #775 of 2159 🔗

I don’t understand why a face covering can be a scarf when, as has been reported before, the weave on even a face mask is large enough for virus particles to get through. So, surely having a scarf over your nose and mouth is utterly pointless.

355791 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 3, #776 of 2159 🔗

The guidance actually says your muzzle should be ‘breathable’! To be fair (if I must), it’s supposedly about ‘droplets’, not breathing the actual virus particles, because you go around licking other people and spitting at them constantly, don’t you? These would be the ‘certain circumstances’ that the guidance never actually specifies.

355795 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to kh1485, 7, #777 of 2159 🔗

But its not about the science its about compliance.

355798 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 8, #778 of 2159 🔗

It is because face coverings are ONLY about controlling people, nothing to do with health or prevention

355816 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 2, #779 of 2159 🔗

Yeah, we all know that but why don’t others wake up the absurdity of what people like this MP are saying. Beats me.

355899 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 3, #780 of 2159 🔗

It is. He fails to mention that the masks having nothing to do with protecting you from a virus, but social nudging. Keeping you fearful, controlled.

355871 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to frankfrankly, 1, #781 of 2159 🔗

Dr Susan Hopkins (of Public Health England) on Radio 4’s The Today Programme this morning admitted that, to use her words, “PCR tests will overemphasise infectiousness” (1:39:04 – 1:39:47).

355912 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to frankfrankly, 1, #782 of 2159 🔗

But yet again we are following the science without showing you any links or source to their science. You send him a mountain of scientific evidence he sends you a link to fucking government guidelines! So long Tory party and thanks for all the fish.

355965 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to frankfrankly, #783 of 2159 🔗

Instead, people should wear the kind of face covering that can easily be made at home…”
Sorry, can’t do that. because…y’know, racism!

356130 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to frankfrankly, #784 of 2159 🔗

I know that the Government is following scientific guidance’.

I wonder how a non-scientist could ‘know’ that.

355729 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 21, #785 of 2159 🔗

Love this Exemption card found in article above

355794 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Victoria, 5, #786 of 2159 🔗

Very good will be using that!

355735 Censored Dog, #787 of 2159 🔗

Sherelle back at again with her defeatism, without providing any real solutions other than just ‘accept it’ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/14/lockdown-sceptics-have-one-last-chance-lead-covid-debate/

355736 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 6, #788 of 2159 🔗

WEF Lobby for Worldwide Mask Mandate? ‘Masks for All’

The WHO has admitted that political lobbying was behind its guidance on masks. Swiss Policy Research speculates that group ‘Masks for All’ founded by WEF ‘Young Leader’ may have been involved. Seems very likely to me.

In light of this, I am reposting Jo’s comment from yesterday, and hoping Poppy or others will see it.



Beim “politischen Lobbying” dürfte es sich insbesondere um die Gruppe “Masks for All” handeln, die von einem “Young Leader” des WEF Davos gegründet wurde und die sich bei Behörden und Regierungen für eine weltweite Maskenpflicht einsetzt.

Jo’s Post From Yesterday

Has anyone seen these WEF Global Shapers Communities? They are made up of young people who are trained as influencers, to carry out Klaus Schwabs vision of the future. There are 444 worldwide and in UK they are in London, Oxford, Birmingham and Edinburgh. And according to the Oxford hub website they are teaming up with the council and NHS to carry out their plans.
I find this really worrying.
I’m too old to join – but wondering whether Poppy or other younger posters can infiltrate? It looks easy to contact them with a view to joining.

355743 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #789 of 2159 🔗

I feel like the WEF is a cut-out for the Chicom effort to wage political warfare on the West.

Remember that one of the CCP’s top goals is to pay the West back for the, ‘Century of Humiliation.’

355809 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to awildgoose, 1, #790 of 2159 🔗

Where’s the evidence for the WEF being a China cutout?

356488 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, #791 of 2159 🔗

Yes – it’s too easy to blame China. If the West dances to the tune – that’s a western problem.

355886 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #792 of 2159 🔗

Interesting rewding back on Deb Cohens thread now we are well past the masks introduction. So many virtue signallers declaring how masks would be such a great tool to combat covid. They’ll probably have dig into the “it would have been worse” hole by now, but still.

Then you have the claim from the CDC that face masks would solve the crisis in 6 to 8 weeks. This was July.

Masks For All are absolutely behind the lobbying. They got them mandated in Czechia early on. Pointed to their success in avoiding the spring ‘epidemic’, maybe the masks only work seasonally as its hardly helped since.

355900 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #793 of 2159 🔗

Follow the money…..

356475 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Dominich, #794 of 2159 🔗

Yes. Do we know about their strings?

355740 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 13, #795 of 2159 🔗

Below is a response I got from a GP friend of mine (up North) who told me that he has recently being carrying out jabs. In response to my question as to whether he was happy that people were giving full informed consent he said:

“We go through a check list and then ask the do they want the vaccine and their consent is put on pinnacle with batch numbers etc – so both formal and informal consent. TBH most are so grateful to have it.
A lot haven’t been out of the house since March.
All the staff have had it so we are all in the same boat.
FYI my GP partner had it but within the week he got Covid and is just recovering- he certainly would have been worse without it.”

I could have taken this further with him but it would have been pointless and probably just sour if not destroy our friendship which is over 40 years old.

355746 ▶▶ Julian, replying to vargas99, 4, #796 of 2159 🔗

I am curious to know what is in the checklist

I think it should be a booklet not a checklist, quoting sources for any information given, and be sent in advance so people have a chance to read and digest

355761 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Julian, 6, #797 of 2159 🔗

yes I’d like to know that too, also how he can be “certain” that his GP partner would have had Covid 19 worse if he hadn’t had the jab. Add to that whether he was sure that the jab receivers had a full understanding of the consent process. I think I’ll leave those questions for later though as despite this I do really respect him.

355828 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to vargas99, 7, #798 of 2159 🔗

The GP couldn’t be at all certain that his partner would have been worse without the vaccine. He has simply swallowed the manufacturer’s propaganda. In truth, most thinking people would have wondered whether the vaccine had caused the so called Covid-19 illness in the first place, but no, not your GP friend.

355748 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to vargas99, 1, #799 of 2159 🔗


355767 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to vargas99, 8, #800 of 2159 🔗

FYI my GP partner had it but within the week he got Covid and is just recovering- he certainly would have been worse without it.”

Based on what evidence???

355782 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #801 of 2159 🔗

Indeed. The same line is used for masks and lockdowns.

Ancient civilisations who made offerings to a sun god before dawn each day to ensure that the sun would rise had similar mindsets. If you asked them how they knew it worked, they would reply, ‘because the sun rises’. Purely based on faith.

355910 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #802 of 2159 🔗

The “Science”. Don’t question it!!

355769 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to vargas99, 7, #803 of 2159 🔗

The checklist most likely does not provide any details of medication the jabee might take where there might be contra indications.
A quickly “trained” volunteer with no medical training, who will see the jabee and doing the checklist before handing them over to a nurse or doctor who will do the simpler task of putting a needle into an arm, has no qualification to assess if it is safe for the jabee.
The jabee might lie about their medical history as they have been driven by MSM to get the vaccine.

I am not stopping people who want to have it, even without well informed consent, but do not come crying demanding compensation or “the doctor should have told us” later!

355802 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to vargas99, 9, #804 of 2159 🔗

There comes a time when some old friends will have to go. GPs are far too heavily invested in the scam and their compliance is one of its major foundations.

355853 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Rowan, 6, #805 of 2159 🔗

Absolutely. I will never trust anyone in the NHS again. If (when, I hope) the shit hits the fan and the truth comes out, I suspect that NHS workers will become the target of public anger. It won’t be pretty. The NHS will become the target of those who want to make major cuts and move to a larger private component of the healthcare sector.

355861 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #806 of 2159 🔗

The NHS will become the target of those who want to make major cuts and move to a larger private component of the healthcare sector.”

Well – given the political record, this is, perhaps, a major driver.

355894 ▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Tom in Scotland, 5, #807 of 2159 🔗

I think questions will be asked, quite legitimately, as to the NHS’s competence in strategic planning, and more generally about its corporate governance.

It has a workforce (by headcount) of 1,313,765 as of September 2020. It has an operating budget of around £201.7 billion in 2020/21 (which includes an additional £52bn of funding in 2020/21 for Covid-19).

So it is a healthcare organisation with (possibly) more resources than any other healthcare organisation in the world.

Yet it has been unable to cope with the impact of SARS-CoV-2 (except by rationing access to its services).

355896 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Rowan, 1, #808 of 2159 🔗

There can also be no doubt that they are receiving considerable financial inducements to vaccinate people with this poison.

355845 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to vargas99, 3, #809 of 2159 🔗

You could just cheekily ask him “You know some people get flu after a flu vaccine, does that happen with covid?”

355889 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to vargas99, 4, #810 of 2159 🔗

So, the vaccine gave his colleague Covid? How can he say he would have been worse without it when he didn’t have it in the first place?

355898 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to vargas99, 2, #811 of 2159 🔗

His response was not very robust, clinical or professional. He didn’t appear to confirm that he had explained the make up the vaccine, contraindications and potential side effects – the tenets of informed consent, not ‘do you want the vaccine?’
To say most are grateful to have it … yes, have something that without informed consent have only the dribble pushed out by the media to guide them.
‘We were all in the same boat’, a bit confused how he felt that supports your enquiry on informed consent.

355768 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 1, #812 of 2159 🔗

Look who’s reporting their first Covid death in months just as a WHO team lands in Wuhan:


The timing is just so…. perfect.

355869 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Alice, 8, #814 of 2159 🔗

Perhaps get a bat bite to eat while they are there?

355994 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Alice, #815 of 2159 🔗

Looking to buy a new variant or two to bring back?

355780 chaos, 3, #816 of 2159 🔗
355784 EdT, 5, #817 of 2159 🔗

I’m not a religious man but this strikes a particular chord:

“We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves” – Romans 15:1 (KJV).

Most commentators have interpreted that Paul was writing about strength in *faith* and the need for forbearance of those whose faith was ‘weak’. I, however, interpret it differently: I read it as an admonition that those of us who have strength have a moral obligation to stand up for the weak, for the oppressed, for the bullied, regardless of the cost to ourselves.

In the past couple of days I have witnessed something that have filled me with disgust: bullying by a security guard at a certain supermarket (<cough> Morrisons </cough>) to force mask-exempt people into wearing a mask. Despite my intercession I witnessed people cave in to this bullying, succumbing to pressure to surrender their legal rights, and possibly put their health at risk. (I ask for no pats on the back for confronting the bully, no social acclamation. On this issue the only approval, or disapproval, that matters is my own). All I ask is that those of you who do have strength (in whatever form that may manifest itself) heed the words in Romans 15:1, stand up for the weak – give them shelter in your shadow.

355786 Old Bill, 11, #818 of 2159 🔗

As diseases go, coronavirus has one serious drawback. This deficiency is encapsulated in its old name. BI (before internet) when Old Bill was ‘nobbut a lad’, it used to be called ‘seasonal flu’ and as such used to disappear in the summer – it still does.

This unfortunate behaviour leads to all sorts of problems. Most serious of all is that the proles have to be let out of their prisons for virtually the whole of July and August, sometimes even as early as June. When this occurs they congreagate together at their pubs, barbies, sports events, beaches etc etc and naturally get to gossiping about the latest and forthcoming lockdowns. This encourages wild ideas to be discussed such as ‘what is it all for?’, ‘how long is it going to last?’, ‘is it really worth it?’, and so on, and sadly at this time of year there is very little that plod can do to stamp it out. Such discussions represents a severe threat to the great reset, and cannot of course be allowed to occur.

So, coming soon, a new variant to stop this threat – Californian Covid!

This mutant virus is unique, in that it is solar powered and therefore in Britain, will only affect people in the Summer months and thus fully justify year round lockdowns!

So don’t fear wokers of the world, the reset is on track, Boris (and Californian Covid) will make you safe from the greasy oiks for ever!

355787 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #819 of 2159 🔗

That turd Ferguson has admitted that cases may be levelling off in some areas, but in others continues to rise.

ie plummeting everywhere

355789 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to steve_w, 5, #820 of 2159 🔗

It will be interesting to see if the threat of German lawsuits will make him change his tone.

355800 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #821 of 2159 🔗

I can’t see it would affect him. It’s not against the law for academics to be wrong – even if repeatedly and massively

355827 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to steve_w, 5, #822 of 2159 🔗

It is however illegal to give advice for public safety without it following standard guidelines about its scope and uncertainties

355841 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to mhcp, 6, #823 of 2159 🔗

I hope you’re right. Ferguson really has blood on his hands. Unfortunately, I’ve been in the academic world a long time and almost never, ever see any form of accountability. It’s a different world.

355854 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #824 of 2159 🔗

As it should be if its scope is purely academia. The issue is when scientific advice is used to bypass standards that are used in other industries. And that often said scientists have no awareness of.

355867 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to mhcp, 4, #825 of 2159 🔗

They really do seem to live in a world of “If every single person on the planet stays home for twelve months, that will fix it”, don’t they?

355843 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mhcp, 4, #826 of 2159 🔗

The government should have conducted an impact assessment before they even considered implementing the lockdown measures. They didn’t. That was, at best, an irrational, irresponsible and incompetent approach to policy-making – and they should be held accountable.

355857 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #827 of 2159 🔗

Naaah, they’re exempt, Steve. They put a disclaimer at the end of every law, saying “No impact assessment has been carried out…”.
So, that’s ok then…

355790 Ross Hendry, 8, #828 of 2159 🔗

For over 9 months we’ve been told to consent to a scam. Unfortunately too many sheeple have been only too happy, eager even, to accept that 2 + 2 = 5


355793 steve_w, 5, #829 of 2159 🔗

euromomo has updated


currently no excess deaths in Spain (it was mentioned downthread)

355796 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 13, #830 of 2159 🔗

I expect when all this is over and the investigations have been concluded, the result will be ‘we should have stuck to the pandemic plan we already had’

Ferguson can take some blame but so should the twats that listened to him

355805 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to steve_w, 5, #831 of 2159 🔗

He was wheeled out again on R2 news earlier. They didn’t announce him as ‘the discredited professor’, though. Funny that.

355806 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #832 of 2159 🔗

BBC and Ferguson are in the same boat!

355833 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to steve_w, 3, #833 of 2159 🔗

Maybe time to reintroduce Grand Juries to hear enquiry evidence and decide if there is a case to answer, and who is to answer to a court. It’s the old system of conducting enquiries.

355873 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #834 of 2159 🔗

I hope so. We need to do something. Can’t let everyone get away with it.

355801 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 9, #835 of 2159 🔗

Wife just off the phone with Branch Covidian sister. Apparently there’s a temporary morgue in Surrey with 12000 bodies in it! Sadly the conversation ended before I had a chance to sell her that bridge across the Thames I have in stock!

I did basic research. The ‘Surrey Overflow’ has for some reason 170 bodies of which half have died of (read with) Covid-19. Undertakers not unusually busy for this time of year. Is this a 77 publicity stunt?

355804 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to eastender53, 13, #836 of 2159 🔗

lockdowners are conspiracy theorists. anti-lockdowners are following the science

355821 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 2, #837 of 2159 🔗

At least our conspiracy theorists can produce a video of an empty hospital or two

355813 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to eastender53, 3, #838 of 2159 🔗

That’s 40% of the UK population!!

355818 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #839 of 2159 🔗

12000? It’s a lot and impossible but it’s not 40%

355838 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to eastender53, 1, #840 of 2159 🔗

It can’t be true because we’d have seen a tearful Dimcock touring it on every MSM bulletin.

356128 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to eastender53, 1, #841 of 2159 🔗

They are stored in the same place as the Strategic Steam Reserve 😉

356402 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Ewan Duffy, #842 of 2159 🔗

Colwick MPD? Allegedly…..

355808 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #843 of 2159 🔗
355810 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #844 of 2159 🔗

Its been removed from Youtube by the way

355815 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 2, #845 of 2159 🔗

Tesco following the NHS and will soon be ‘overwhelmed’. Fake positive tests = self isolation = the new abnormal. 10% of staff (just like the NHS), now off.


Around 30,000 Tesco ( TSCO.L ) staff are currently off work, with absences on the rise as staff fall ill, self-isolate or shield at home.
Britain’s biggest supermarket’s chief executive Ken Murphy said on Thursday it had “clearly seen a spike” in absences in recent weeks.
Approximately one in 10 staff is now off, according to Murphy, with absence rates “materially higher” than during its second and third quarters.

355822 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to FerdIII, 12, #846 of 2159 🔗

Hmmm, there’s this thing they are all talking about. You are ill, but you don’t have any symptoms – you can’t tell you’ve got it…

“Yeah, morning boss, I won’t be in today cos….”

355911 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to FerdIII, 4, #847 of 2159 🔗

Mask wearing contributing to illness??

355934 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to stefarm, 2, #848 of 2159 🔗

It could bevjust normal coughs and colds. But instead of off for the two snotty days you have to take 10 days off .

355932 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to FerdIII, 3, #849 of 2159 🔗

Good for a skive, this covid.

356123 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to FerdIII, 1, #850 of 2159 🔗

Seems to be they must have been following sceptic comments. I remember reading a few weeks ago someone said be interesting to see what % of supermarket workers had caught covid, as they have been working non stop the entire year and have been exposed to millions of people every day with a lot of shop workers not wearing any masks etc.

356812 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to FerdIII, #851 of 2159 🔗

I think we all know whats causing this….

355817 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #852 of 2159 🔗

A man gets knocked down on British roads five times a week. And he’s getting fed up with it.

Thousands per day are dying within 28 days of a positive test. Well, stop testing them, then.

355850 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #853 of 2159 🔗

I believe this happened in Scotland during U2 gig. Bono was saying every time I click my fingers another poor person dies.
Well stop doing it then! Comes the audience reply!

356129 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #854 of 2159 🔗


356398 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #855 of 2159 🔗

“No……you’re lyin’ maaan…..”
If everybody who claims to have been at that gig had actually been there, they’d have to hold annual reunions at Old Trafford.

355820 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 36, #856 of 2159 🔗

Just thought on a positive note that I would share with you the below I received today in response to the email I sent last week thanking those MPs that voted against the lockdown. Good to know there are those in government with honesty, intelligence, heart and principles.

“Dear Andrea

Thank you very much for your very kind email supporting the stance which I and a number of other colleagues took in opposing the latest lockdown proposals from the Government.

First of all, I do not believe that lockdowns are effective and that is a view which is shared by the World Health Organisation and a large number of doctors who have expertise in viruses. Secondly, if there are any benefits from a lockdown they are more than outweighed by the damage which it does to people’s health, children’s education and to the economy, as well as the denial of personal freedoms to the population.

I will continue to oppose any such measures, will speak out against them even though it is not a very popular stance to take on occasions, but I believe that when we recover from the current hysteria many people will be asking the questions which I have been asking and wondering why the Government started going down such a disastrous route in the first place.

Once again thank you for your support.”

355825 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #857 of 2159 🔗

Do you have that handy list of the 16 MPS that voted against ? I was at my local Freedom Hub meeting last night and everyone there took up my suggestion of writing but then I couldn’t find the list 😞

355839 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Marialta, #858 of 2159 🔗


* Graham Brady – altsale@parliament.uk
* Philip Davies – daviesp@parliament.uk
* Richard Drax – richard.drax.mp@parliament.uk
* Karl McCartney – karl.mccartney.mp@parliament.uk
* Stephen McPartland – stephen@stephenmcpartland.co.uk
* Esther McVey – esther.mcvey.mp@parliament.uk
* Anne Marie Morris – annemarie.morris.mp@parliament.uk
* Andrew Rosindell – andrew.rosindell.mp@parliament.uk
* Desmond Swayne – swayned@parliament.uk
* Robert Syms – symsmp.office@parliament.uk
* Charles Walker – charles.walker.mp@parliament.uk
* David Warburton – david.warburton.mp@parliament.uk
* Christopher Chope – chopec@parliament.uk
* Chris Green – chris.green.mp@parliament.uk
* Paul Girvan – paul.girvan.mp@parliament.uk
* Carla Lockhart – carla.lockhart.mp@parliament.uk
* Ian Paisley – ian.paisley.mp@parliament.uk
* Sammy Wilson – barronj@parliament.uk

355844 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Marialta, #859 of 2159 🔗

Hi Marialta – I’ve added the list in reply to you but it’s just awaiting approval. It’s their names and email addresses.

356432 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Andrea Salford, #860 of 2159 🔗

Thanks so much

355849 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Marialta, 2, #861 of 2159 🔗

They were listed on here the following day
Don’t forget Chris Green and Sir Christopher Chope the Tellers.

356433 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #862 of 2159 🔗


355891 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #863 of 2159 🔗

I have yet to get a reply from any of them so very jealous.. I expect they must be extremely busy. I’ve written to them all twice now to show my support.

356882 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mutineer, 2, #864 of 2159 🔗

Just a reminder to all writing emails to MPs, to summarise your argument in the subject line. That way even if they delete it without reading the main body they have to at least read that part. Eg ‘I fully support your stand against lockdowns’ etc.

355832 Twig, 4, #865 of 2159 🔗

Tracy van den Broek
Well said! To your GP, and also the store.
You are NOT ALONE. WE are all here, rooting for you.
Give us a shout if there is anything we can do to support you.

355847 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #866 of 2159 🔗

The Independent: Another 100,000 Britons could die if lockdown lifted too soon, Neil Ferguson warns Boris Johnson.

355863 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #867 of 2159 🔗

If we don’t keep locking down, my mistakes will be exposed, Neil Ferguson warns Boris Johnson

355876 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Julian, 8, #868 of 2159 🔗

If we don’t keep locking down, YOUR mistakes will be exposed, Neil Ferguson warns Boris Johnson

355954 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Julian, #869 of 2159 🔗


355864 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #870 of 2159 🔗

Guy never takes a day off does he? Of course the key is the word “could”. He has made an entire career out of that word and deliberately allowing it to be misunderstood by the policy makers as “probable”.

355907 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Achilles, #871 of 2159 🔗

He’s the gift that keeps on giving. ‘Could’ yes – how scientific!! MW

355929 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Achilles, #872 of 2159 🔗

He studies Couldology.

356127 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to thinkaboutit, #873 of 2159 🔗

And kidology, combined studies.

355874 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #874 of 2159 🔗

I for one am sick of these projections “If…… 100000’s more deaths”. They are just wild predictions. Just the same as in Birmingham they have transferred 200 Doctors in heameotology to Covid “in anticipation of a surge”. The trouble is that Johnson will just go with it because he can’t be bothered to weight up alternative facts and talk to other scientific experts with a proper background in virology and epidemiology.

This has gone beyond ridiculous now just what is it that these idiotic SAGE scientists and the Govt are hoping to get out of this. The rest of the world is getting back to normal and we are back where we started last year due to falsified data, wild and unsubstantiated predictions and the worst economy in Europe with mass unemployment looming this summer.

355948 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #875 of 2159 🔗

When will someone just say, Not Again Neil

355953 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Tom Blackburn, #876 of 2159 🔗

I don’t think so!

355982 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #877 of 2159 🔗

As most deaths are now branded covid anyway, 100.000 = about 2 months of normal UK deaths , so what?
Covid only created excess deaths in April/May 2020 since then Covid deaths have all been within the normal levels of death.
Or look at it another way if you remove all the covid deaths the UK would currently have the lowest death rate in modern history!
I am no mathematician I struggled to get a grade C at O’level and yet I do not find it too tricky to look at the figures and make this fairly obvious and i think accurate observation. Why is it that this old pensioner with a dodgy maths O’level can see this but much of the rest of the world runs around in despair at these quite normal death figures?

356102 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom Blackburn, #878 of 2159 🔗

Where are fergusons peers? What a useless bunch of people not to be running models checking this bullshitter – now is the time names can be made simply by doing a good job and getting it right. Instead they are all complicit by silence.

355848 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #879 of 2159 🔗

No jab, no job arriving.

Mandatory vaccine? – No, of course not, unless you expect to work or, er, do anything that involves human interaction?

356008 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to godowneasy, 2, #880 of 2159 🔗

Well I won’t be calling Pimlico next time I need a plumber. Plently of local guys who do a good job and aren’t into oppressing anyone.

356097 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to zacaway, 1, #881 of 2159 🔗

Pimlico were in the msm earlier on in the late spring shaping tradesmen thinking. Curious type on man that talks on behalf of tradesmen without being elected by tradesmen to respresent them.

356084 ▶▶ mj, replying to godowneasy, #882 of 2159 🔗

does that include the boss’s botox jabs?

355851 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #883 of 2159 🔗

Just a thought. As Covid zealots want zero covid as it’s risk, will they be getting on a plane to go on holiday as it’s a risk? After all we have to go through strict security and planes do crash, so I hope they never go on a plane again.

355856 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #884 of 2159 🔗

What isn’t a risk?

355859 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #885 of 2159 🔗

Absolutely, but try telling that to a zombie.

355892 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #886 of 2159 🔗

“What isn’t a risk?”

Counting on the stupid conformity of the British public.

355860 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #887 of 2159 🔗

I think the covid zealots in the elites are like all elites – one rule for them and one rule for everyone else

Non-elite covid zealots have not thought this through and just want the “experts” to tell them everything is safe now – some will never believe it is safe ever again, but I think most will just believe it because they are told so and they want to

355890 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 8, #888 of 2159 🔗

Yes, but they will never be told what they want to hear. Next year, after they’ve accepted their fifteenth new variant jab, and have got used to wearing three face masks as a minimum when entering a shop, they will be no closer to safety than they are today. The regime can never stop. This has gone too far.

355879 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #889 of 2159 🔗

I have always been dumbfounded by ‘Zero Covid’, that is until I heard sociologist Devi Sridhar say that she thinks it is like SARS or MERS in that it is a prolonged, one time event that can have a distinct end. I guess her and her ilk were asleep in the summer when it disappeared because we were out of respiratory illness season.

356090 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to jb12, #890 of 2159 🔗

She is not asleep. Conniving calculating plotting scheming yes. Asleep no. Nor does that mean bright or higher.

No needle at your good self, simply cannot stand by and have devi given any modicum of benefit. She is aware totally of what she is aiming towards.

355925 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Smelly Melly, #891 of 2159 🔗

If they don’t like risk they shouldn’t even be driving to the airport. Dangerous things, cars.

355866 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 8, #892 of 2159 🔗

A friend of mine, who is a full lockdown zealot, keeps citing New Zealand as the success story. He says life in New Zealand is completely back to normal and they are “certified virus free”.

Is there anyone who knows the reality of their situation? What has been the cost of living like this? I’d like to hear from somebody in New Zealand ideally…

I’m sure there’s more to it than this.

355868 ▶▶ jb12, replying to RDawg, 6, #893 of 2159 🔗

We’ll see what happens when they open the country back up fully.

356037 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to jb12, 2, #894 of 2159 🔗

And when Autumn comes…

356076 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to jb12, 1, #895 of 2159 🔗

they cannot… they will have to continue with a 2 week quarantine procedure to ensure that no carrier comes into the country. given what is said about effectiveness of vaccines they cannot assume that a vaccinated person is not carrier.
so who is going to visit NZ and quarantine?

356108 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to mj, #896 of 2159 🔗

and it has probably hit their tourism industry significantly – i guess it would all be internal visitors only which is something but none of those disease ridden foreigners unless they quarantine.

356124 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to mj, #897 of 2159 🔗

I can’t see myself ever visiting again, though that’s partially because I’ve been there several times, have seen pretty much all of the country, and it’s very expensive and tiring to get there and almost everything you buy is expensive. So, even if things went back to normal (as in 2019), I don’t think I’ll ever visit again. There are other places I would rather visit. I suspect I’m not the only person who feels this way.

355875 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to RDawg, 16, #898 of 2159 🔗

New Zealand did exactly the same as the UK, only it did it a couple of days later. The Rona simply never got there. Jacinda the Wonder Horse appears to be claiming credit for the country’s physical geography.

355882 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to RDawg, 12, #899 of 2159 🔗

Back to normal? Open borders then – I think not?

355901 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to RDawg, 9, #900 of 2159 🔗

I can’t really see how people can say that NZ is ‘back to normal’. People’s idea of normal has become badly distorted due to too much time spent time living in these weird conditions.

As far as I know, it’s very difficult to enter, so families living in different countries have been indefinitely separated.

They have no tourism/travel industry left to speak of, so anybody working in a linked sector might be a little bit annoyed about being thrown on the scrapheap.

They’ve had strict lockdowns, so their civil liberties have for all intents and purposes evaporated too.

As some others have said, the virus never really made it there. It’s an isolated country in the middle of nowhere. The UK is a big transport hub with many people stopping and passing through. Even if we had followed their strategy to the letter I cannot see how we would have ended up with similar results. It’s certainly too late to try now.

Unless ‘the vaccine’ turns out to be a miracle, covid is going to get there when they actually try to return to normal, so it’s likely to have all been in vain.

355902 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to RDawg, 5, #901 of 2159 🔗

I have friend in NZ, seems relatively normal except no one can come in or leave. I will check with him later for an update.

355903 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to RDawg, 12, #902 of 2159 🔗

I have friends in New Zealand and have visited several times, interviewing politicians and doing research. Life does seem a lot more like normal than it does here, though they do get ‘cases’ (positive test results) which they blame on people who have recently entered the country (some are allowed under limited circumstances and must isolate themselves for a time). I suspect that the Rona became endemic a long time ago there and that they will see a winter resurgence in a few months, leading to a major lockdown. This will probably happen in most of Australia, too. We’ll see, but I don’t think they should feel like they are out of the woods. Any attempt to go for ‘zero Covid’ is bonkers, but it does appear that this is the policy (though I have not seen this spelt out as such and suspect it will be thrown out when reality hits).

As for costs, their tourism and hospitality sectors are in serious trouble. The country, with only 5 million people, has a very small internal market for these sectors and relies upon what is normally a very large influx of overseas visitors. Before last year, the Labour-led government had failed to deliver on most of its promises on social justice, etc. NZ has a lot of social problems – socioeconomic inequality, drug problems, housing shortages, domestic violence, poor diet and health – and many jobs do not pay well, which is a problem when most goods (including groceries) are very expensive. Some things cost two or three times what they do in the UK. It’s not paradise, despite the beauty, and I’m glad I turned down a job offer in Auckland several years ago.

I think Jacinda will be in serious trouble in the coming months. Her Labour Party won a majority of seats, the first time for any party since the Mixed-Member Proportional system was introduced in the late 1990s, and the other parties should be grateful that they are not in a coalition so that they can blame everything on Jacinda when the shit hits the fan. The magic ‘vaccine’ may turn out to be a false dawn and if that’s the case, NZ (and Australia) are in deep shit.

355909 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to RDawg, 4, #903 of 2159 🔗

Well, my brother’s fiancée is from the South Island, and I know her NZ-based parents have both been ill this year with stress and anxiety.

My brother was supposed to get married to their daughter last summer and they were going to fly over for the UK wedding. That was cancelled. As was the NZ-side wedding that was supposed to happen February this year (both of these weddings were going to be 2-week holidays for a bunch of family and friends to meet each other and travel about in each other’s countries, and her NZ-dwelling but originally-Scottish mum was very excited and involved in all the planning for the stuff we could see and do on the South Island).

Also, the wife of their eldest son in Australia had a baby last February. They’ve not been able to visit and see their first grandson at all in his first year of life.

My future sister-in-law is planning to visit her parents in the spring (travel restrictions permitting) but will need to pay thousands of dollars to quarantine herself for two weeks for the privilege. It’s going to be a low-key visit if it happens at all. My brother’s wedding – if evil Krankie allows it at all – is just gonna be a bunch of local Scots in a pub beer garden with a Zoom link to her mum in NZ. It’s a wee shame – her mum was looking forward to it all so much. My sister-in-law to be is quite worried about her as she’s normally very jovial and bubbly but lately sounds very depressed.

356051 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to RDawg, 1, #904 of 2159 🔗

I stand to be corrected on this but I understand NZ has had 25 covid deaths and about 2000 cases in total according to their govt figures. I read elsewhere that their tourism and tourism related industry has lost 50000 to 100000 jobs, permanently. All this in a country of 5 million.
Bargain of the year eh, Jacinda?
And of course I expect that their populations level of immunity to covid when it does eventually get there as it will when they open up, plus flu and colds generally, will have deteriorated drastically due to lack of exposure to the outside world.
Australia is going to face similar issues.

356210 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to RDawg, 1, #905 of 2159 🔗

Can’t wait for Dobbin to get turkey slapped by the Rona

355878 dhid, 5, #906 of 2159 🔗

Some may consider this as “off topic” – I don’t, as it relates to a local council and hygiene.

I have just had my non-recyclables bin “emptied” by the local council refuse service.

The bin guy decided, presumably as I only had about 3 bags in mine, he would remove them by hand and put them in my neighbours bin to save taking 2 (wheelie) bins to the truck.

There were a few unbagged items in the bottom of my bin, which I realised would still be there.

So, I went out to the road and very politely called out to them (they were only 1 property away from mine) that they had not emptied my bin. The response was a rudely yelled “well bring it down ‘ere then!”, which I did.

A surly young guy with a tattooed forehead, glared at me, snatched the bin, emptied it properly, and literally shoved it back at me.

Had he simply apologised for his lazy, rude and aggressive attitude, I would have left it at that, unfortunately, he didn’t.

A couple of weeks ago I had also had my recycling bin emptied – by another bin lorry crew member – from my bin, into my neighbours, presumably to save time, which, at anytime, would be unacceptable from a hygiene point of view. I imagine this is possibly common behaviour by some local council refuse crews.

It is very clearly a stupid thing to do at the present time, particularly given the lectures we are being given by Gov., both National and Local, about our “behaviour” with reference to hygiene.

Also, if rubbish from another person’s bin – possible a mask wearer who puts his or her disgusting infection riddled muzzles into their bin – was emptied into mine, I would be seriously annoyed, to say the least!

The home page of my local council has a prominent large Covid “Stay at home” graphic in yellow, red and black, and all the usual other “advice” about hygiene.

As they had forced me to leave my home to pursue the bin crew, and given the decidedly unpleasant attitude of the bin crew guy, I decided to ring them to complain.

After a 12 minute wait with the usual over loud on-hold “music” – probably designed to make people give up and end the call – I spoke to a very pleasant and helpful woman who was, surprise surprise, working from home.

I told her the sorry tale and emphasised the hypocrisy of the council lecturing people about hygiene and their employees blatantly ignoring it.

I also explained the potential “infectious mask” issue with handling rubbish from bins and the therefore utter hypocrisy of the lectures given to us.

She agreed about the hypocrisy, and the stupidity of the bin guy doing what he did. She also seemed quite annoyed about the nature of his “response” to me.

I have a complaint reference and made it clear I required a phone call response from a manager in relevant dept ASAP.

To be clear, I understand how hard these crews work and in the past have recongnised various members of them as “regulars”, who were friendly and often waved when I saw them in the road. I haven’t seen any of them in recent months.

I will not at this point name the local council.

Whether I do, will depend on how, or if, they respond.

355884 watersider, replying to watersider, 8, #907 of 2159 🔗

Just arrived here. What a great site with such a wonderful community of realists.
I write some awful rhyming verse, and this present Plandemic has inspired me to continue with so many out of this world idiotic scenarios.
I will start with my latest offering.


When you accepted being muzzled
You were told it was to control a flu,
It’s hard to describe how gullible
Can be an indoctrinated ewe;
In nice obedient lines for slaughter
You’ve bought into marxist agitprop,
Listening to Fake News Media
You forgot that shepherds eat a chop.

Trusting subjects with their arms bared
Led by Judas Goats who will attest,
This is the blessed panacea
To obtain release from house arrest;
Compliant ovines queue at gates
With doctor Mel and Professor Bill,
Waiting to shear and brand the stock
Thus the New World Order to fulfill.

If you believe inoculation
Will restore life as was before,
I have the Humber Bridge to sell you
You had better pray your Confiteor;
In historic times when plagues were rife
With dead bodies piled up in the street,
The churches filled with faithful souls
Our Church leaders now in full retreat.

356185 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to watersider, #908 of 2159 🔗

Welcome here. This is a good sort of summary of where we are at now.

355885 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #909 of 2159 🔗

Once PCR pos always PCR pos? The only good news that this might be non infectious. But another big problem for any PCR testing. What happens after vaccination with mRNA vaccines?

SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome Prolonged SARS-CoV-2 RNA shedding and recurrence of PCR-positive tests have been widely reported in patients after recovery, yet these patients most commonly are non-infectious Here we investigated the possibility that SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome and that transcription of the integrated sequences might account for PCR-positive tests. suggesting a molecular mechanism for SARS-CoV-2 retro-integration in patients. This novel feature of SARS-CoV-2 infection may explain why patients can continue to produce viral RNA after recovery and suggests a new aspect of RNA virus replication.

355913 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, #910 of 2159 🔗

Another reason why the measure of vaccine success needs to be reduction in death and serious illness of people with a confirmed covid diagnosis based on confirmed positive tests and actual symptoms

355887 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #911 of 2159 🔗

Another adverse reaction. This time, with the Moderna Vaccine | Shawn Skelton (bitchute.com)

More of the video I posted last night. Judge for yourself if you think it’s legit or not. apparently facebook has now deleted the original posts.

I am not taking this fucking snake oil.

355906 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #912 of 2159 🔗

Shocking. I sincerely hope for her this is temporary.

Just read about a 89y old, usually fit and mentally competent care home resident in Germany dying within the hour of getting vaccinated.
Authorities have ordered a post mortem.

356064 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Silke David, #913 of 2159 🔗

I’d be interested to know if the reaction is temporary, how long it lasts, and what is the treatment. Could someone with medical knowledge post some info?

I just feel I was so affected by that video that it would be difficult for me to forget it. It’s not going to influence my view on the vaccines, of course – I was never in favour of it.

356055 ▶▶ Alice, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #914 of 2159 🔗

Hello, JHUNTZ,

I’m very sorry if I gave a wrong impression in my comments last night – I didn’t mean to imply that you were in any way to blame for the shock I experienced after watching your previous video. It was genuinely frightening – and it was rather late at night. I’m definitely not going to watch the new one! It seems that I’m not as emotionally strong as I thought.

To anyone who may be of sensitive disposition – or have any medical trauma experience in the past – my advice would be, don’t click on the link.

356061 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Alice, #915 of 2159 🔗

Alice, no offence taken sorry if this had such an effect on you. I do feel it necessary though to share.

356070 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #916 of 2159 🔗

Thank you – I think my over-reaction may have something to do with my medical history (a couple of bad years involving surgery and chemo).

356105 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #917 of 2159 🔗

jesus that’s horrific – she said that she hadn’t any support from the medical i think. Tell you what if this happened to me i’d go to A&E and not budge until they had done a full investigation and then compensation for wrecking my life!

355893 Helen, #918 of 2159 🔗


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355897 norfolksceptic, replying to norfolksceptic, 7, #919 of 2159 🔗

Just wondered has anyone heard or seen any reference encouraging seal impersonations tonight ? Has all gone very quiet …

355920 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to norfolksceptic, 4, #920 of 2159 🔗

Went down like a bucket of cold sick here last week, dead silence.

355937 ▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #921 of 2159 🔗

Yes think that was true not lots of places – would appear to have sent a message…

356078 ▶▶ Basics, replying to norfolksceptic, 2, #922 of 2159 🔗

Failure must not be mentioned by the all powerful. Simply they do not have the character to laugh it off – the state may be the most terrified group of all. Terror of losing control is quite a deal.

355915 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 18, #923 of 2159 🔗

US Surgeon General Jerome Adams Feb. 29 2020 : “Seriously people — STOP BUYING MASKS!….if you are NOT sick you do not need to wear a facemask unless you are caring for someone who is sick (and they are not able to wear a facemask)”.

Follow the science.

355943 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #924 of 2159 🔗

Totally agree

355917 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 15, #925 of 2159 🔗

Well today is a first: first ever mask challenge in a shop from an employee. The regime’s deliberate incitement of scapegoating has had an effect.

And I realised, the regime can never stop. They are all in this together (both parties, all but a handful of MPS, civil service and all major institutions public and private). They have all complied themselves into a corner of active complicity in crimes against humanity (I’m talking here about specific human rights violations such as medical intervention without consent).

Is there a way back from this? Surely not one that any of those in power would willingly take. I for one am determined that if I ever do have a free vote, I will use it in whichever way is most likely to result in every MP who has voted in favour of this, paying personally with their own wealth and liberty. I can’t be unusual in that, and the regime must know. Indeed, the regime appears to have deliberately made Parliament an object of hatred. Members have complied themselves into a corner in which they can only comply further, and look to their leaders to save them from the public they have so grievously injured.

So, no end.

355942 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Ovis, 3, #926 of 2159 🔗

Yep, fascism is their best bet at keeping their liberty for longest. It was obvious that this would be the case from when flattening the curve was extended indefinitely. Unfortunately our government leaders have no concept of strategy – unlike the people who triggered them into this hole. Where were the security services preventing our government from being compromised by foreign/elite propaganda.

357244 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TheBluePill, #927 of 2159 🔗

Where were the security services preventing our government from being compromised by foreign/elite propaganda.

Staging false flags in London ?
Shipping heroin ?
Dressing up as Miss Moneypenny ?

355923 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 5, #928 of 2159 🔗

Good afternoon.

I’m sorry if this has been posted recently but I look through the board every day (although struggle to find replies to my messages!) and I don’t recall seeing it discussed.

I know that population control has been mooted as one possible overarching reason behind the completely disproportionate response – e.g. a reduction of the global population. My naive assumption had been that if this were the intention, it would be done by targeting the old and vulnerable in the West’s ageing societies. Now, in the immortal words of Peter Hitchens, correlation doesn’t equal causation but I googled the term “fertility rate” using the news tab and was quite surprised by what I found. I’ve posted a selection below of the most recent articles…

The coming COVID-19 baby bust: Update https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/12/17/the-coming-covid-19-baby-bust-update/

U.S. Population Is Growing at Slowest Pace Since World War II https://www.advisorperspectives.com/articles/2021/01/13/u-s-population-is-growing-at-slowest-pace-since-world-war-ii?topic=covid-19-coronavirus-coverage

UK ‘baby bust’ expected in 2021 due to COVID-19 https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-annual-birth-rate-baby-bust-expected-pwc-2021-covid-19-000154681.html




South Korea population falls for first time https://www.ft.com/content/f28d8b6d-1f69-4eda-9b2f-6afa200bf17d


As I say, this may be mere coincidence or a very natural human reaction (as in, who would currently want to bring a new life into the World). Anyway, I hope nobody minds me sharing the observation.

Best regards


356072 ▶▶ Basics, replying to SimonCook, #929 of 2159 🔗

Simon there are simple ways of skipping back to your posts something to do with the crossed bell icon next to the black post button. Also pressing on your own name does scary things that may be helpful. Others can clarify…?

I know precisely that endless fruitless scroll you mention.

356120 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Basics, #930 of 2159 🔗

If you’ll excuse the terrible punnage on your username, it’s back to basics for me then!

Seriously, many thanks for explaining and I will use that bell in future.

Best regards


355926 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 29, #931 of 2159 🔗

I’m just wondering. All you people who are advocating harder and longer lockdowns, when are you going to make a financial contribution to the effort to stop the virus?

Those of us in industries who have been totally shafted for nigh on 10 months have taken the brunt, when are you going to start being similarly financially punished? You want lockdowns you say, well effing well pay for it.

355935 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to kh1485, 15, #932 of 2159 🔗

If this became a thing, we’d soon see all of the ‘go along to get along’ types turn aggressively sceptic. Only a tiny bunch of nutters would remain.

355941 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 15, #933 of 2159 🔗

Well said,I’m heartily sick of the smug,financially comfortable types telling the rest of us we are selfish and should do as we are told.I’m sure a lot of them are actually enjoying this situation,they are living a part in their own exciting drama and they don’t want it to end,they don’t realise that the longer this goes on the higher the probability that even they are going to suffer financially too.

355955 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 9, #934 of 2159 🔗

Exactly. What prompted my outburst is listening to talkRADIO (Mike Graham on catch-up). And, much as I like him and his show, I did think why don’t you put your money where you mouth is. It’s alright for all these journos to waffle on about how crap everything is, but they still get paid no matter what (we took £8 yesterday). I’m getting to the stage where I am seriously considering getting a bloody sandwich board and going out in the streets and yelling “the end is nigh”.

355959 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 2, #935 of 2159 🔗

Or “Get it here”. [runs giggling for coat] 🙂

356040 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, #936 of 2159 🔗

You’d better run fast … 😉

355977 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 5, #937 of 2159 🔗

Yes,I like Mike Graham but I agree a lot of what he says is ‘cheap talk’ considering the sort of money he must earn,he also tends to alter his views depending on who his guest is,he never seems as sceptical with anyone as he is when talking to Peter Hitchens and this makes me wonder just how deep is scepticism truly is.

356026 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 2, #938 of 2159 🔗

You’re spot on with that. This was one of the comments on the YT page:

If you watch the BBC and SKY you will be happy to watch Talk radio because they are getting to be the same.

Whoever wrote that, I agree. Just switched off.

355979 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 3, #939 of 2159 🔗

A cafe in my town had a flood recently due to a mains pipe going broke. Caused structural damage to building, closed for the foreseeable future.
Makes me wonder if that was kind of a good thing, as they can now claim loss of earnings etc due to the flood and will get more than if they opened for take away or any govt help.
Sorry to hear about your lack of customers. I understand though why you stay open. All but 1 independent coffee shops in my town are closed.
Hope the weather improves and brings you more customers!

355995 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Silke David, 1, #940 of 2159 🔗

nice try – but business interruption insurance will only recompense for loss of trading income based on what they would have had had the damage not occurred . Which would be based on actual takings over the period. So if there was little trade before the event the claim would reflect that.

356042 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Silke David, #941 of 2159 🔗


355984 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, 6, #942 of 2159 🔗

be careful – police might construe the sandwich board as you having a picnic and do you for breaking some imaginary interpretation of a guidance

356109 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to mj, 2, #943 of 2159 🔗

V. good, the idiot coppers being a couple of sandwiches (Scotch eggs) short of a picnic.

356104 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 3, #944 of 2159 🔗

I wear my ‘We’re all going to die’ mask with pride! (For a couple of minutes to save the nice Turkish chaps in Ossie’s chippy hassle.)

355976 ▶▶ kev, replying to kh1485, 7, #945 of 2159 🔗

Time to stop paying the public sector 100% of their wages, whether they work or not.

How about all public sector take a 20% hit, including the politicians? Might change their tune a bit then, probably strikes and walk-outs, but who would notice?

You might have to exempt doctors, nurses, paramedics, ambulance crews and firemen, but definitely coppers, they aren’t fighting crime right now, they are just enforcing ever-changing Covid rules.

355985 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kev, 6, #946 of 2159 🔗

Exactly. I wondered the other day just what are we getting for our council tax. No proper policing (i.e. catching criminals), no amenities open, no proper schooling. Only things I can think of is I get my rubbish removed every other week and I might, if my house was on fire, get the fire brigade round.

356004 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to kh1485, 6, #947 of 2159 🔗
  • Bins emptied (still doing that at least)
  • Benches being removed
  • Some basketball nets (seen being used which is good, but most of the time by one person at a time – you’ve got to do something to stop yourself going nuts I suppose)
  • Lots of posters hung from lamp posts about how everyone will die and we should all go home
  • Signs warning us that covid 19 exists
  • Loads of new Christmas lights (probably just to mock us)
  • Decorating the war memorial and surrounding area with trillions of poppies (again, probably just to mock us)
  • Employing Covid 19 enforcement officers (6 month rolling contracts) to help educate small business owners and the general public

It gets expensive doing all of this, they might have to put up business rates and council tax again…

356006 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to kev, #948 of 2159 🔗

Strikes would be a good thing in a way: there’s an exemption in the “you must stay at home” rules for picketing!

356089 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to kev, 2, #949 of 2159 🔗

On other media sites they are screaming for NHS etc to get pay rises!! Maybe they should i don’t know, but the fact that they still have a job they should be bloody grateful for that. The fact that much of the private sector is being sacrificed literally to death for the benefit of the NHS with consequential bankrupt business and unemployment etc just seems to go over their stupid heads.

356168 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #950 of 2159 🔗

One of the problems with the NHS’s complete willingness not to manage their huge budget properly is that they are more than adept at giving themselves massive regradings (cue massive pay rises) for which they unashamedly spend patient money on building their own empires to achieve said regrading and financial remuneration. Public don’t need to worry the first person the NHS looks after is itself. That’s why it is a chronically failing organisation and the biggest waste of money this country currently has.

356005 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to kh1485, 9, #951 of 2159 🔗

that’s always been part of the program, hasn’t it, the whole furlough thing was just a massive bribe of a sufficiently large part of the population to roll over and take it up the ass. most welcomed the opportunity to get 80% of their salary to do sweet FA and not enough were mindful of the Russian proverb about the only place you get free cheese is in a mousetrap. those excluded from the grift were not sufficiently numerous or important to matter.

356039 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #952 of 2159 🔗

Indeed it was. Love the proverb, one to add to the armoury!

356107 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 3, #953 of 2159 🔗

They (we) will pay a little when the wealth taxes come in. I’m an old fart dividing money in the pot by maximum years left and feeling reasonably comfortable but I’m absolutely with you. The bastards have even scared my sensible and usually robust neighbour into believing their nonsense.

355927 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 6, #954 of 2159 🔗

Posted the below on our local rag comments forum 4 hours ago, nobody has commented, argued, said anything, denied the data, etc… pity…. I was spoiling for a debate.

Just been looking at the ONS data relating to Plymouth’s death rate’s over a time period, and it make’s interesting comparisons.

Jan to Nov 2018 = 2,402 deaths
Jan to Nov 2019 = 2,349 deaths
Jan to Nov 2020 = 2,383 deaths
I do not remember in 2018 the country being plunged into chaos. As you can see Plymouth’s rates are very consistent over time.

356035 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to cloud6, 2, #955 of 2159 🔗

Will December’s figures make a difference? I think once they are added 2020 is likely to come out worse – but possibly not by any great amount. And if it is greater all that be down to Covid or combatting Covid?

Spoke to a chap I know today whom I hadn’t seen for months. Has a little shop. He told me his business is finished.

356157 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ned of the Hills, #956 of 2159 🔗

How sad for your friend. All the hard work and goodwill built up gone because of the serious mismanagement of a routine seasonal respiratory virus. He must be feeling utterly despondent.

355931 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 14, #957 of 2159 🔗

“Darkest before dawn” – some thoughts:

Ok so I reckon last week and this week will be looked back on as the bleakest moment in the UK’s whole Covid response. The hospitals are struggling, the caseload is high, we are under a third lockdown, schools are shut and it nearly got stricter this week around nurseries and exercise rules BUT the government pushed back on this aspect of the hysteria and maintained the existing framework.

I can’t help but think this is like the Wermacht seeing the spires of Moscow through their field glasses during Barbarossa. Incredible that things got this far at all, but this is now the limit of the Madness. Why?

  • Cases – even as measured by the zealots – are starting to fall
  • We are doing quite well as a country in terms of vaccinations
  • Public weariness is evident in non-compliance (busy roads etc.)

Things will get better from this point. Yes, there is lots to figure out around vaccine passports, pace of restrictions etc. and god help us if there is a variant that doesn’t respond to the vaccine, but the talk even from government is that this is the last one. The sheer desperation in getting the vaccine out and fear over tightening rules further suggests that they realise the public are at the very limits of their endurance. Once the old and sick are jabbed, hospital admissions WILL fall and the heat will be taken out of the whole discourse.

Add to this some more general points – the weather cannot get worse, the days are getting longer, Brexit is ‘done’ (for better or worse) and I think we have started on an up-trend.

The end is in sight.

355940 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to jhfreedom, 17, #958 of 2159 🔗

They don’t sieze power with the intention of letting go of it, as someone said. We have yet to hit bottom. I wish it wasn’t so.

355946 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to jhfreedom, 5, #959 of 2159 🔗

the government pushed back on this aspect of the hysteria

Erm, no.

Perhaps – if we’re going with the positivity – they tested the waters, but decided increased restrictions could wait until until the population had been more thoroughly prepared. Cue scapegoating and incitement.

355962 ▶▶ Paul, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #960 of 2159 🔗

I don’t know what you’re drinking but I’ll have a drop too !,seriously though,I can see merit in your points and I would love them to become reality but from a purely personal perspective from my interactions with the outside world this week it seems we are still on a quickening descent to the bottom.I know it is said when you’re at the bottom the only way is up,I suppose it is but there is no time limit to how long you can stay trapped at the bottom.

355999 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to jhfreedom, 5, #961 of 2159 🔗

I admire your optimism but I don’t share it. Even if you are right about the material conditions, it will take a monumental effort to get rid of mandatory masking and coerced vaccination and/or testing for living a normal life, just to give two examples off the top of my head. It certainly won’t be the “end” if we have anything like that.

356031 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to jhfreedom, #962 of 2159 🔗

The talk from government after the first lockdown was that we wouldn’t lock down again, or at least almost certainly wouldn’t lock down again – glorious normality was to be restored, rather randomly, by November. Of course it wasn’t the vaccine that was to be our saviour at that point, but rather Hancock’s dream of mass testing every human on the planet every 5 minutes along with the magical world-beating app. Let’s just hope that the vaccine doesn’t go the same way they did…

356146 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #963 of 2159 🔗

Actually I agree with you. This is a ball they can’t keep in the air forever. While they like to scare and manipulate the public the sheer monotony of it inevitably provokes scepticism and resistance, and the time is approaching when they would prefer to manipulate us with something else – IMO global warming. They will take Greta out of storage and weaponise her again.
Banging us over the head with Covid again and again has diminishing returns in terms of psychology, so they will move onto something else.

355936 rockoman, #964 of 2159 🔗


355938 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 4, #965 of 2159 🔗

Atrocity propaganda , which aimed to mobilise hatred of the German enemy by s”preading details of their atrocities, real or alleged, was used extensively by Britain during the war and reached its peak in 1915, with much of the atrocities related to Germany’s invasion of Belgium . [24] Newspaper accounts of “Terrible Vengeance” first used the word “Hun” to describe the Germans in view of atrocities in Belgium. A continuous stream of stories ensued that painting the Germans as destructive barbarians, but many of the reported atrocities were exaggerated or fictitious. [2″

From the wikipedia article on British First World War propaganda.

They believed it then – and the vast military cemeteries in Northern France are the proof.

355945 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to rockoman, 1, #966 of 2159 🔗

Oddly, the crudity of the propaganda ended up having the perverse effect that the genuine atrocities committed against Belgian civilians by the German forces (and they were very serious and genuine) ended up being downplayed.

355958 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #967 of 2159 🔗

Can you give an example please?


355969 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to rockoman, #968 of 2159 🔗

I’m going from memory mostly based on Max Hasting’s book “Catastrophe: Europe Goes to War, 1914.” I don’t have it to hand and can’t provide a specific example right now, sorry. I’d thoroughly recommend the book though!

356011 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #969 of 2159 🔗

Yes, great book.

How people sleepwalk into disaster.

356012 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to mj, 3, #971 of 2159 🔗


I think my original point about propaganda still stands, comparing it to the present situation.

355966 ▶▶ mj, replying to rockoman, 3, #972 of 2159 🔗

as eluded to in Blackadder goes forth episode where they have to do a painting for propaganda and George paints the dead nun

356046 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mj, 2, #973 of 2159 🔗

It’s all about the willing suspension of disbelief…

356138 ▶▶▶ R G, replying to mj, 2, #974 of 2159 🔗

Change the nun into a twenty stone nurse and the soldier into Captain Tom (masked, obviously) and I bet you’d find someone willing to put a thirty foot mural of it on the side of their building.

356093 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to rockoman, 1, #975 of 2159 🔗

And yet you cite wiki when talking about propaganda!

355939 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #976 of 2159 🔗

Three years ago, the UK saw 73,807 deaths in January. Just for a bit of perspective.

355968 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #977 of 2159 🔗

Ok – let’s see what January 2021 brings.

355983 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Mayo, 3, #978 of 2159 🔗

Indeed, we shall have to wait and see.

356001 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Mayo, 7, #979 of 2159 🔗

But we’re under a lockdown which everyone accepts will result in lots of deaths: didn’t the Government say 200,000 would die as a result of the first lockdown? Hasn’t Bristol University more recently predicted 520k deaths, and that was before the current one?

355952 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 1, #980 of 2159 🔗

I am a fan of More or Less on R4, but the episode first aired on the 13th annoyed me.
Yes, they were able to debunk some MSM and Govt statements and headlines, but could have been better.

What annoyed me was that they did not go into enough detail comparing flu patients in ICU
17/18 with covid, and “agreed” that the covid situation is worse.
No questioning that there is no flu this year. No pointing out that flu gets diagnosed through symptoms, not a PCR test, which is likely to be flawed.
No break down of in-patients who are actually ill with alleged covid, it could be flu, it could be bacterial/viral pneumonia, but gets recorded by the hospital as covid, and simply having a +test.

Still, worth listening to.

356007 ▶▶ mj, replying to Silke David, #981 of 2159 🔗

i also am a fan.. and usually the info is good, but unfortunately it is still presented under the auspices and all seeing eye of the BBC narrative position. So as you point out it missed out lots of relevant info re covid stats and provides only half a story. I have seen the same on MoL programmes about climate change, where again the narrative has to be followed.
By the way , dont know if you were aware that there are also bitesize More or Less programmes on the World Service – which you can access via Sounds

355956 A Heretic, replying to A Heretic, 16, #982 of 2159 🔗

From one of the links above:

Evidence from the SARS outbreak suggests that most health care workers infected themselves while removing protective equipment.

and knowing that even professionals can’t use masks correctly they still advocate masks for the masses?

356048 ▶▶ dhid, replying to A Heretic, 2, #983 of 2159 🔗

It beggars belief it really does.

356245 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to A Heretic, 2, #984 of 2159 🔗

Not to mention the high percentage of people who contract Covid while in the hospital, where supposedly everyone is wearing PPE all of the time.

355960 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #985 of 2159 🔗

Jogger warned by Covid marshall that he was breathing too heavy.
Sort of says it all, don’t it?

356010 ▶▶ mj, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #986 of 2159 🔗

knowing what sort of people they employ as covid marshalls i am surprised they caught up with a jogger. or did they block the road ?

356027 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to mj, 1, #987 of 2159 🔗

Stopped the jogger on a park lakeside path.

356020 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #988 of 2159 🔗

Back in LD1, before covid wombles were a thing, my other half was jogging through town. A PCSO told him not to jog through the town centre, because he might be responsible for a superspreading event due to the heavy breathing… He asked if there was any legal restriction on him doing so, knowing full well that there wasn’t. No, they said – obviously completely nonplussed that somebody wouldn’t just turn around and do exactly what they asked. So off he jogged through town, leaving them open-mouthed in his wake…

356029 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #989 of 2159 🔗


356057 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #990 of 2159 🔗

and if he was so dangerous superspreading with his heavy breathings shouldnt plod have kept their mouths shut rather than standing open mouthed breathing in the green miasma

356777 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mj, #991 of 2159 🔗

How do they know the virus is green when it is invisible even if one uses a microscope?

356189 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #992 of 2159 🔗

Back in April, I was warned by a random person not to breathe very heavily while jogging because I could infect her with Covid. I ignored her, of course, but a police officer would have been more annoying.

355961 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 2, #993 of 2159 🔗

Is that photo of Johnson, ‘lets have one with you looking as if you could give a toss Boris’

355967 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 2, #994 of 2159 🔗

And he clearly still thinks that ruffling of the hair thing is endearing.

355992 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to kh1485, 2, #995 of 2159 🔗

Yes – doesn’t quite fit with his ‘population article’ where he compared human activity as seen from the air with ‘bacilli in a petri dish’, does it?

356160 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to DanClarke, 1, #996 of 2159 🔗

“That’s another fine mess you’ve got me in to, Whitty.”

355963 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -32, #997 of 2159 🔗

I see that the LS blog has resurrected the pre-exiting immunity argument. At the suggestion of the author I read the recommended BMJ article by Peter Doshi.

Leaving aside the fact that the issue is largely irrelevant while there are now around one million people currently infected in the country, the whole article is an exercise of meaningless hand waving.

Plenty of “might bes” and “up tos” for sure but sweet FA else. Pre-existing immunity was one of the the reasons Yeadon et al were assuring us that there would be no second wave. We had reached Herd Immunity – they told us. Utter Twaddle – as I knew at the time.

Nic Lewis is a data analyst for whom I have a lot of respect. Even he was making the claim that hetereogeneity in the population meant that the HIT was much lower than mainstream figure of 60%. However, he has now accepted he was wrong as he writes on Judith Curry’s blog

Many people, myself included, thought that in the many regions where COVID-19 infections were consistently reducing during the summer, indicating that the applicable herd immunity threshold had apparently been crossed, it was unlikely that a major second wave would occur. This thinking has been proved wrong. In this article I give an explanation of why I think major second waves have happened.


The anti-lockdown case is being hugely damaged by the continual belief in hypotheses that have been clearly disproven. Chris Snowdon among others has attacked Ivor Cummins, perhaps unfairly, on this very issue.

In his March paper, Ferguson predicted a big second wave in the Autumn. This is not an argument that sceptics can win.

355971 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, 8, #998 of 2159 🔗

So, what do you think lockdown sceptics should concentrate on?

356187 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to rockoman, 2, #999 of 2159 🔗

The fact that lockdowns are ineffective. There is actual evidence for that.

356373 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Mayo, #1000 of 2159 🔗

Virus only wants to survive. There are 12000 different strains around of C-19. When one virus cannot transmit due to SD it dies out replaced by a virus which can transmit better, survival of the fittest. In the end LD/SD will select the most transmissible strain as possible. This is outlined in the below tweet. LD/SD is a selection mechanism to have the most transmissible virus and usually less virulent.
“Yes. Overtaking would not occur otherwise. It is the combined effect of overtaking period (independent of R) and stacking (the lower the R the higher the amount of overtakings and thus the stacking) what transforms mitigation strategies in adverse selection machines.”

355973 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Mayo, 8, #1001 of 2159 🔗

If pre-existing immunity doesn’t exist then why do family members of people with covid (or flu or whatever) not catch it?

356000 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to A Heretic, #1002 of 2159 🔗
356054 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Bill H, 2, #1003 of 2159 🔗

This is a very interesting paper.Reading this almost everything they discuss about influenza could be attributed to C-19.

356131 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1004 of 2159 🔗

Funny how stuff about cheap and easily available healthcare measures that don’t generate big profits or opportunities for power grabs for anyone seem to be get over-looked.

I forwarded that link to a doctor friend of mine back in April after Malcolm Kendrick highlighted it ( COVID Update – Focus on Vitamin D ), and his comment was that he’d never seen that study before and was amazed nobody had followed it up with a bigger study.

356162 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Mark, 1, #1005 of 2159 🔗

Isnt it just. Another example of ‘there’s no money in, compared to, say, vaccine reseach, which is very lucrative and a lot more sexy’….

Thanks for taking the time to read it, Mark and Swedenborg !

My reading of the virology paper

  • Seasonality and sunshine play a big part in flu epidemics
  • Asymptomatic transmission is a plausible hypothesis
  • Vitamin D is clearly beneficial.
356425 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to swedenborg, #1006 of 2159 🔗

Agree. I’ve just had a speed read of it and it makes very interesting reading.

356194 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to A Heretic, -2, #1007 of 2159 🔗

Luck and/or where and how the virus enters the body.

Some people probably do have greater immunity than others but it’s clearly not significant in the grand scheme of things.

356786 ▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Mayo, #1008 of 2159 🔗

Must be a whole load of really lucky people out there if they’re not catching this week’s extra infectious new mutant strain of the deadly virus.

356295 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to A Heretic, 1, #1009 of 2159 🔗

see Diamond Princess cruise ship, and USS Theodore Roosevelt. Only 15% showed any symptoms. Very few deaths on Diamond, all co-morbidities.

355980 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Mayo, 9, #1010 of 2159 🔗

Hi Mayo,

Great to see you.

I’ve been interested for a long time: what policy would you support as a response to Covid?

You often challenge what are on here majority views, but at the same time you are always clear that you oppose lockdown. So, it would be really interesting to know what approach you do support.

Apologies if you have answered this question many times before, but if so I haven’t seen it.

355986 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Ovis, 8, #1011 of 2159 🔗

“but if so I haven’t seen it.”

Neither have I.

355998 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Ovis, 7, #1012 of 2159 🔗

I too am waiting to hear this.

I’ve no problem with people coming on here and giving alternative views, but as Mayo has repeatedly said he/she is against lockdowns, I would like to know what arguments he/she thinks we should be using. I am genuinely interested.

356059 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Ovis, 2, #1013 of 2159 🔗

Brings a smile to my eye ovis!

356062 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1014 of 2159 🔗

And may I add you were quick on the draw!

355988 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Mayo, 8, #1015 of 2159 🔗

“there are now around one million people currently infected in the country”

Are there? Says who?

355989 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mayo, 12, #1016 of 2159 🔗

Yeadon et al were assuring us that there would be no second wave

If there’s a “second wave” why do overall deaths and illness generally look pretty much like a typical seasonal upturn? Why hasn’t there been a steep increase in mortality like in April, to go with the “exponential” spread we were told was beginning back in Oct/Nov?

356028 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Mark, 4, #1017 of 2159 🔗

Easy to create a 2nd wave. Rebadge 2/3rds all winter deaths as Covid.
et voila!

356204 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Mark, 1, #1018 of 2159 🔗

The real difficult question is this. Look at non-C-19 respiratory deaths in the seasonal second wave. They have dropped to the bottom. And filled with C-19 deaths which did not occur in the April wave.This pattern with low non C-19 respiratory deaths with current C-19 deaths is not even enough in Dec to indicate an excess mortality as in April.
This poses serious questions what we are diagnosing PCR test with. Could a part/majority of PCR test being non infectious fragments from previous infection and instead they have other viral infections incl.flu? Perhaps we don’t test enough for these agents. The second wave seems to be even more elderly than the first and they can succumb to many other viruses at the end of their life.

355996 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Mayo, 5, #1019 of 2159 🔗

“The anti-lockdown case is being hugely damaged by the continual belief in hypotheses that have been clearly disproven.”

What exactly has been clearly disproven???

356002 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 7, #1020 of 2159 🔗

Explain Japan

356014 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mayo, 1, #1021 of 2159 🔗

Just had a look at Nic Lewis’ piece to see if he answered the question I put just now, but seemingly not.

As far as I can tell he seems to think it’s significant that the herd immunity threshold changes, but in fact that is a fundamental feature of it that was always known, and arguably precisely why we get seasonal behaviour in endemic viruses – environmental and behavioural changes are driven by seasons, and affect the herd immunity threshold so that endemic viruses that in summer conditions could not spread widely because the herd immunity threshold for the conditions was reached, now become able to do so.

Crucially, though, they can only do so to a limited extent because the threshold does not usually change by all that much. So you get typical seasonal upturns, such as the one we seem to be experiencing now, rather than epidemic “waves”, which would give much steeper rises in deaths such as we had in April.

So Lewis seems to have for some reason been surprised by this inherent feature of herd immunity, and consequentially misinterpreted a seasonal upturn as a “second wave”.

356015 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 4, #1022 of 2159 🔗

I may be proven wrong, but I strongly suspect Mayo you will not answer the question. Something positive would be much welcomed, certainly by me, and I suspect many others.

356052 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1023 of 2159 🔗

agreed. mayo often appears as an agent provocateur shooting off a question or statement that causes ructions on here and then disappears
unlike others who may take a contrary or provocative view but will argue it out

356787 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Steve Hayes, #1024 of 2159 🔗

Mayo or someone like him used to argue that you could control a highly infectious respiratory virus epidemic with a test, track and trace program. This was pretty obviously a pipe dream but has now been upgraded to the status of comprehensively and expensively disproven hypothesis.

356022 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to Mayo, 5, #1025 of 2159 🔗

In 2020, 0.1% of the UK population is said to have died of covid. 99.9% did not. It is pretty obvious there is wide spread pre existing immunity.

356034 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 1, #1026 of 2159 🔗

Also you are basing all your assumptions on a flawed PCR test.Deaths within 28 days or even 60.
Government figures are meaningless.
In all the hysteria and fear porn never ever forget that.

356043 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 3, #1027 of 2159 🔗

Are we absolutely certain we are blaming the right virus for all of the ‘second wave’ – any sign of seasonal flu yet – maybe some other viruses are getting in on the act

356053 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1028 of 2159 🔗

and maybe some elderly frail peep who goes to hospital seriously ill with a non-covid illness, is relentlessly tested and achieves a positive PCR test (with no symptoms), dies from end of life reality – is classed as a covid death.

356077 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 3, #1029 of 2159 🔗

‘…. there are now around one million people currently infected in the country’


Provide references if you wish to be taken seriously, particularly in Kent, in the lorry park…….

‘Update on Kent lorry situation: 15,526 #Coronavirus tests now carried out. Just 36 positive results…..’ Grant Shapps

That equates to roughly 100,000 people positive nationwide…..or exactly equal to the likely false positive rate…..which would suggest overall all cause mortality and hospital admissions should be pretty much normal for the time of year……which they are……..

References deliberately not provided…….

Mark Twain refers….

356079 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Mayo, 5, #1030 of 2159 🔗

Yeadon said there would be a second ripple. What would a second ripple look like? A slight increase in excess mortality. What happened in autumn winter? A slight (at best) increase in excess mortality. Yeadon hypothesis holds.

356106 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 1, #1031 of 2159 🔗

“Leaving aside the fact that the issue is largely irrelevant while there are now around one million people currently infected in the country,”

Evidence for this assertion please. Positive PCR test do not equal infections.

356132 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Mayo, 7, #1032 of 2159 🔗

No cigar. I think, as ever, there is a conflation of Covid19 morbidity with pure SARS-CoV-2 viral infection ecology. The Spring saw a high illness and death episode that did its Gompertz thing as a late 19//20 winter phenomenon. Autumn and Winter 20/21 test numbers rose, kicked off by school college restarts (not mentioned) and merely show the usual endemic viral respiratory illness Winter bump but whatever is causing it, there is nothing like the egregious morbidity/mortality of the spring, whether that’s because the deaths were made worse by containment measures or that whatever is affecting people this winter is milder than last year or because treatment is better.

Yes, if you simply chart the rise and fall of viral variants over time in a population you could see where some are displaced by others. So what? Nowhere does the exact same virus cause second waves of illness. So it’s a mutated one. So what? Last count I saw was 1200+ variants. Endemicity. Second wave of virus, second wave of positive tests or second wave of illnesses, second wave of hospitalisations, second wave of deaths? Which is it? Whichever fits the model. Now we are in 20/21 winter and people are still pulling in last winter’s figures and calling this a second wave (of what precisely) then asking a qustion about why it happened. Hmpf. Poor science. It might be of interest to academic virologist which variant is top of the league this year but in disease terms it amounts to the same NHS management issue, the same as every year, same numbers. This paper is a laudably highly technical but partial analysis to prove a believed case but the premises are selective or ‘swop in swop out’ to suit whichever vague ‘second wave’ assertion is challenged. It obfuscates.

“This is usual winter disease.” “No we are just talking about SARSCoV2 volumes over time”
“Infection stats are unreliable, incomplete and not normalised.” “No we are talking about Covid19.” Etc.

Of course, in these analyses RT-PCR reliabilty policy is never questioned as a basis for calculations. We have never tried to plot virus spread on a whole population scale before and on such a dubious basis.

Testing in spring and winter have different population profiles. They are still merrily compared.

Yeah, Ferguson, predict a rise in Autumn numbers (schools/colleges known catalyst) then test like crazy, hey presto. Told you so.

…and it’s all predicated on containment measures working when all the studies show them to be pissing in the wind.

As to why these people are trying to disprove herd immunity, it just smacks of woke attacks on white male science frankly.

356158 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 297 of lockdown), replying to Mayo, 2, #1033 of 2159 🔗

If HIT was not reached, I maintain it was due to the restrictions in place which remained to a large extent in summer and beyond. This did nothing but kick the can down the road to where we are now. I firmly believe we are in this situation now due to lockdowns and other NPIs in other words, this would have been a nasty situation but would have been much shorter. The article you post largely supports this view unless I am misreading it.

356214 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Mayo, 2, #1034 of 2159 🔗

If a lot of people go down unexpectedly with something serious, I would first look at a change in the susceptibility of the population. So what’s changed since Mike Yeadon predicted that there wouldn’t be a second wave? Well this for a start:


So an extra 15m people have been offered the flu jab since the spring. I don’t know what the take-up level is but, if I or others are right about the flu vaccination being a driver for severe covid, then at least we have a smoking gun.

I don’t see why the UK shouldn’t be following exactly the same pattern as Czech Republic, Slovenia, Germany, Poland etc in having a bad winter which follows a good spring that itself was followed by a massive flu vaccination campaign. Like them, we have possibly primed our population for SarsCoV2 this winter in the worst way possible.

(By the way, just to thank those who replied to my post on Tuesday – there were useful links and indeed some moving tales.)

356226 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mayo, 4, #1035 of 2159 🔗

Good on you for not hiding in your echo chamber. Great job bolding the sentence where you celebrate your own brilliance.

How are the seasonal flu numbers doing? How are the seasonal death rates doing?

Why am I even bothering?

The important thing is this: society, the economy and the culture have been destroyed in a failed attempt to control a virus whose major awkwardness consists in its ability to prove the impotence of government.

356235 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1036 of 2159 🔗

‘The important thing is this: society, the economy and the culture have been destroyed in a failed attempt to control a virus whose major awkwardness consists in its ability to prove the impotence of government.’

A fine summary.

356718 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Mayo, 1, #1037 of 2159 🔗

So if herd immunity is “utter twaddle” I’d be interested to know your alternative theory for why R was about 1 all summer, with about 30k infected at any one time, and why we had two seasonal winter waves at the usual times.

It would be stupendously difficult to replicate these results with NPIs and a 90-something % susceptible population.

Perhaps you think the numbers are all faked and the whole thing is a conspiracy?

355975 Mark, replying to Mark, 13, #1038 of 2159 🔗

Sweden 2020 – no lockdown, no coercive mask-wearing, relatively little panic. No apocalypse.

Florida. No lockdown, no moronic coercive mask wearing, no apocalypse. Surprise, surprise.

The challenge to panickers is: can they find a country anywhere in the world for which they could honestly write in response, about 2020:

nation x: no lockdown, no coercive mask-wearing, result “once in a lifetime pandemic” apocalypse of deaths caused by insufficiently panicky response to covid.

Because obviously “deaths attributed to covid” numbers are wholly untrustworthy, the evidence would have to be levels of all cause deaths adjusted for age and population massively higher than usual. Significantly higher than at any time in the past 30 years would probably do, to give them a fighting chance.

355981 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Mark, 7, #1039 of 2159 🔗

April was a seriously standout month for total deaths. How much of that was due to the mass dumping of patients by our sainted anychess though?

356023 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1040 of 2159 🔗

I’ve seen estimates of 22k up to 46k all causes both Covid and lockdown impacts.

356135 ▶▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1041 of 2159 🔗

Thats one thing I have been wondering. How does the number of people who were kicked out of the hospitals to die at home & in care homes etc. compare to the excess number of deaths in the first wave. Guess it may be hard to pin down. That and the number of “dry tinder” people who should have died in the 2019 flu wave but didn’t as it was mild.

356287 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1042 of 2159 🔗

People were being indiscriminately put on seriously invasive ventilation measures, automatically, as that was the only treatment recommended. Criminally poor outcomes. This didn’t stop till May. Add to that the sick sent to care homes, DNR, and no GP care-home visits.

356222 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Mark, 4, #1043 of 2159 🔗

This is a point I always use when arguing with a zealot. Show me one country on the entire planet (Fergusonland?) where they have less restrictions than we do and have the sort of apocalyptic death toll that Ferguson and his acolytes warn would be the result. If they come back at all they normally come back with the US, at which point I inform them that the US actually has less deaths/million of population than we do. There is no answer to this question because the only nations that have higher deathrates than we do are nations under even stricter restrictions than we are.

355993 Bill H, replying to Bill H, 4, #1044 of 2159 🔗

Ok, for all you armchair boffins, and the real things, out there, how about this paper which explores the Hope Simpson work and thinking on the transmission of influenza.


Its from 2008, so not ‘infected’ by the current hysteria.


  • Seasonality and sunshine play a big part in flu epidemics
  • Asymptomatic transmission is a plausible hypothesis
  • Vitamin D is clearly beneficial.

Any views ?

356388 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bill H, #1045 of 2159 🔗

Can’t claim either status but it’s certainly very interesting. Now all we have to do is round up the ‘good spreaders’ and confine them in camps(!). Been on winter vitamin D for a few years, really helped me with psoriasis (family trait) which was becoming unbearable during winters. Miracle cure almost. One small benefit of this madness is learning a bit about viruses. Interesting to an ignorant engineer at least.

356050 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #1047 of 2159 🔗

Could we please add a subject with links to videos/twitter remarks etc.

I mostly click on them to see if it is of interest to me, but I would appreciate more than just a link.

356121 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Silke David, 2, #1048 of 2159 🔗

Yes, that’s a good idea, especially as some videos are quite scary…

356156 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Silke David, 3, #1049 of 2159 🔗

I agree, SD. I won’t click on bare links that don’t have a preamble. It only takes a second or two to write.

356003 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #1050 of 2159 🔗

Love the article in China Toby 👍 Think it’s really powerful important stuff. Our leaders have basically sleepwalked into emulating the CCP. Fergo basically admitted it.
I think it’s blindingly obvious that the virus came from their lab, even if it’s only because it’s too much of a coincidence that it’s 30 min drive from the wetmarket.
I personally don’t care much for any of the Bill Gates/Great Reset (conspiracy) theories other than to say that powerful people will always seek to exploit others to make money.
However, if there is a proper theory to be found, involving secrecy, skullduggery, psych ops, mass manipulation etc then it’ll be found in China.

356032 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1052 of 2159 🔗

Yes I liked this too. This podcast was also really good: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/investigating-the-true-origins-of-covid-19/id1501716010?i=1000482794126
Would love the Bellingcat guys to look into it.

356133 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #1053 of 2159 🔗

Belingcat? That bunch of crooks, liars and establishment shills. Always get it wrong.

356409 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jo Dominich, #1054 of 2159 🔗

Nothing more than a securocrat front-company.

356019 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 4, #1055 of 2159 🔗

A U.S. NIH-funded $3.7 million project was approved by Trump’s Covid-19 advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci in 2015, after the Obama White House imposed a ban on ‘monster-germ’ research. In October 2014, the federal govern-ment declared a moratorium on gain-of-function research to weaponize viruses related to influenza, Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). As a result, the research was outsourced to China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is currently at the center of scrutiny for the Covid-19 pandemic. “


356354 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to rockoman, 1, #1056 of 2159 🔗

Fauci has been up to his eyes in it as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984 . Not sure that’s really DJT’s fault but perhaps being too trusting of ‘expert’ advice is.

356075 ▶▶ jb12, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #1057 of 2159 🔗

It is only a baby step from saying that ‘ powerful people will always seek to exploit others to make money’ to saying that ‘powerful people will always seek to create situations to exploit others to make money’. Apart from the point that ‘making money’ is a horribly simplistic way of looking at what the Great Reset proposed by the WEF is all about, putting ‘conspiracy’ in parentheses doesn’t delegitimize the idea. And the shift towards blaming China that is rising in the media is very useful for the people in the West who have benefitted most from this last year.

356013 charleyfarley, replying to charleyfarley, 47, #1058 of 2159 🔗

Just back from Sainsburys.

I was asked by a member of staff on the door if I had a mask. I said no as I am exempt. She asked me if I had an exemption card and I said I did not require one and suggested she should get her manager to look at the government website and check the law.

After checking out at the self service till another staff member asked me if I had a face mask. I said no and slightly irritated I asked her if she could think of any reason why I might not be wearing one. She asked if I was exempt and I said I was. She asked me if I had any proof of exemption.

I asked to see the manager.

I told her that twice within the previous ten minutes her staff had acted unlawfully by asking for evidence of an exemption. She referred to an email sent out by the CEO saying that customers had to wear a face covering. I said her company should sack the CEO and get one who knows the law. She said they get a lot of people coming in without masks and then saying they are exempt (good!) implying that they don’t believe they are exempt. Amazing, since who are they to judge?

I said if they are not more careful they are going to have claims made against them for discrimination and we parted on reasonable terms.

So it looks as though CEOs of major companies are the latest useful idiots to do the bidding of the terrorist regime, no doubt hoping for a gong when the dust has settled.

As soon as it stops raining I’m off to deliver the first batch of leaflets received from Back to Normal (website: backtonormal.org.uk)

Onwards and upwards!

356021 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to charleyfarley, 24, #1059 of 2159 🔗

The thing I’m finding strangest about this “crackdown” is that EXEMPTION CERTIFICATES DON’T EXIST. So how has any supermarket busybody ever seen one?! How would they know what they were looking at if someone had one?! It’s a laughable farce if it wasn’t also super annoying.

356044 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #1060 of 2159 🔗

Laptop and a printer.Easy

356081 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #1061 of 2159 🔗

There is no medical certificate – The exemption card/certificate is on the government web site and can also be downloaded onto a phone.

356025 ▶▶ Mark, replying to charleyfarley, 8, #1062 of 2159 🔗

“So it looks as though CEOs of major companies are the latest useful idiots to do the bidding of the terrorist regime, no doubt hoping for a gong when the dust has settled .”

Very similar to the way senior management classes are used to enforce compliance with pc and identity lobby dogmas – either they are themselves true believers in the nonsense in question, whether it’s coronapanic, antiracism, gender dogmas or whatever, or they are merely weak-minded and easily browbeaten, or they are leaned on with threats to their business or their personal careers.

I’ve no doubt all those things are happening on mask-wearing atm.

356033 ▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to charleyfarley, 16, #1063 of 2159 🔗

Happy New Year all, first visit since November.

Got refused entry to Morrisons yesterday, this is a disgrace. Shopped at that branch for approx. 20 years, they have never rejected my money in the past.

Was told I need a sunflower lanyard, despite Morrisons not being part of the scheme.

Contacted my GP, they are not issuing anything to say patients are exempt, as wearing a mask is only advisory. In March when I had to visit my GP, I was forced to wear a mask!

I am losing the will to fight.

356047 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to DoubtingDave, 7, #1064 of 2159 🔗

welcome back.. there has been a lot of stuff on here today and yesterday about the new stance taken by supermarkets and the results when people have complained. if you look you will find the correct wordings to use and threats to make under disability discrimination. and as a reminder, you do not need a lanyard although you might find it helps, and you do not need a letter (you are correct that GPs are not supplying anyway.
it seems that most of what they are doing is a combination of ignorance toeing the government line but in the end it seems they all accept that if you say you are exempt you must be allowed in and that they cannot ask more.

356088 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to mj, #1065 of 2159 🔗
356462 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to mj, 3, #1066 of 2159 🔗

I’m getting the feeling that most supermarkets have instructed the checkout person to ‘ask the question’…

If they don’t get you on the way in, they try and get you on the way out, with the queue behind you looking on…
Another simple ‘attempt at shaming’ being employed.
And reinforced by the loud tannoy exhorting ‘all’ customers to wear the mask.

I wouldn’t seriously suggest it, but they could have a mask exempt day once a week. And on that day the shoppers would be smiling and interacting and generally being alive . It would end up being the busiest shopping day for sure.

356069 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DoubtingDave, 9, #1067 of 2159 🔗

You should definitely write a formal letter of complaint pointing out the issues raised here and quoting the lines on the “Mask exempt” section above the line here :

To insist that I disclose why is a breach of Section 29(5)(a) of The Equality Act 2010. To deny me entry and/or service is a breach of Section 13(1) of the Equality Act 2010.

You should probably finish with:

Accordingly I require an explanation and apology by return, and confirmation that this unlawful behaviour will not be repeated, before I will consider returning to your premises. If that is not forthcoming I will seek legal advice to pursue an action against you, and report your illegal actions to the authorities .

They will only clamp down on this behaviour by their shop management and door staff if they get pushback. Otherwise the only complaints they will be getting will be from the panicker and zero-covid zealots whinging about having to share their air with human beings. The squeaky oil gets the grease.

And once you’ve had that fight, never wear a lanyard again in that store – it’s understandable if people prefer to avoid unpleasantness, but wearing the lanyard is a concession to the bad guys’ nonsense that only encourages further pressure.

Give an inch and they will take miles. If we haven’t learned that from the events of the past few months, we are clearly not paying attention.

356285 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mark, 4, #1068 of 2159 🔗

Give an inch and they will take miles.

Spot on, Mark. All bullies are the same.

356036 ▶▶ Annie, replying to charleyfarley, 6, #1069 of 2159 🔗

Brilliant, keep up the good work.

356068 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to charleyfarley, 4, #1070 of 2159 🔗

Well done for asking to speak to the manager.
It has to be known by them, complaining to a member of the floor staff is no use.

Just ordered some leaflets as well, I have been to several organisations websites to find something I find useful. These are quite good.

356119 ▶▶ Kat, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1071 of 2159 🔗

I’ve tried googling back to normal but can’t get a link. Would you mind sending me one?

Many thanks.

356356 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Kat, 2, #1072 of 2159 🔗

Don’t use Google- Google is evil. Duck Duck Go, Startpage or Qwant.

356399 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #1073 of 2159 🔗

Indeed, liked the Doonesbury cartoon hippy’s slogan for his weed business, ‘Don’t be Google’. “Aspirational without over promising” as he said. Also try Dissenter browser instead of Apple, Microsoft or even Firefox.

356472 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Kat, #1074 of 2159 🔗

Maybe big tech is censoring all reference to ‘back to normal’!

356016 Janette, 5, #1075 of 2159 🔗

Does anyone have any updates on how the court case by Dr Reiner Fuellmich is going? I haven’t heard anything recently.

356018 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1076 of 2159 🔗

Its clear the majority of our parliamentary representatives are now guilty of dereliction of duty and think they will sing for the other side and become the elite in the NWO.

356262 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1077 of 2159 🔗

They are invisible. Why are we still paying their salaries?

356024 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 26, #1078 of 2159 🔗

Before Covid came along I hadn’t heard of Bob the cartoonist but he’s now my favourite. His latest is spot on once again.

356030 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Biggles, 9, #1079 of 2159 🔗

British culture, then and now

356038 ▶▶ mj, replying to Biggles, 5, #1080 of 2159 🔗

brilliant . sums up the ludicrousness of the current situation

356111 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to mj, 8, #1081 of 2159 🔗

And this was—and still is??—the British way. In order to succeed you had to suffer. If you didn’t suffer then success was meaningless. This cartoon has more insight than people might realise. Why take dogs to help you when you can pull the sledges yourself across 1700 miles of the most inhospitable terrain on earth? Why clothe yourself with Inuit style clothing (proven to keep you warm!) when you can use good old British wool and cotton….useless under the circumstances. Why foster a team spirit when you can hang a sheet across the tent thereby separating ‘officers’ from ‘men’ and thereby maintaining Naval discipline and hiarchy?

In all fairness however, courage and fortitude was held as the ideal governing factors and doing one’s duty was paramount. Making it easy, (or easier in the case of Amundsen’s successful polar triumph) was not good sport ‘old chap’. And how any party can plan to eat their dogs on the journey and thereby making their chances of success more assured was seen as a grotesque act that was simply out of the question for the British.

But Oates was brave and courageous and willingly gave his life for his comrades and the cartoon is spot on that today this kind of individual act of will would be frowned upon by the ‘State’ and their agencies.

356142 ▶▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1082 of 2159 🔗

Good post.

356172 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mj, 1, #1083 of 2159 🔗

Somehow the Heinz tin of baked beans tops it off.

356041 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 33, #1084 of 2159 🔗

Masks and Supermarkets.
After seeing recent posts indicating that supermarkets were still being “sensible” , went for weekly shop today. Asda aggro. Large man on door, dressed up as security guard. Claimed no entry without a mask. Said I was exempt. Wanted to see my exemption certificate. I explained that such certificates do not exist and there is no legal requirement to provide such evidence. He was adamant and would not accept anything I said. He even claimed it was now ASDA “rules”. Not wanting to get overly confrontational and given that I really needed to go in, I accepted his offer of a mask and promised wear it. By the time I had got to the checkout I had removed the mask (having also observed Asda staff working maskless). As I left the checkout I was stopped and challenged (“I saw you remove your mask”). Went through the same routine of explaining exemptions, discrimination legislation etc. No effect. Asked for manager. After a short wait manager arrived. She had not been briefed on why I wanted to see her. She agreed I was right and her staff were wrong. She apologised and I was satisfied. Never had an issue at ASDA in last 6 months.
I wonder how much of this was just 2 mask zealots using their own interpretation of the “rules” and then wanting to push their own views on others.
Went on to Sainsbury’s – no issues whatsoever; situation normal.

356065 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Polemon2, 12, #1085 of 2159 🔗

I’ve come to the conclusion that there is a couple of hyped up stories in the MSM that gets most people worried about being challenged so they comply. But the reality is that the politicians and the media know they have now achieved a point we’re the majority are now self policing and putting additional rules in, just in case.

356094 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #1086 of 2159 🔗

I think it’s the supermarkets saying they’re going to bar people, to keep the government off their backs, without actually carrying out the threat.

356404 ▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to l835, #1087 of 2159 🔗

Think theres been some sort of deal been agreed with the supermarkets.
The timing of the two “batches” of announcements, far too coincidental

356256 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1088 of 2159 🔗

MSM do everything to ramp up the fear and I am convinced print stories to make people conform.

356071 ▶▶ jamesh, replying to Polemon2, 6, #1089 of 2159 🔗

Had the most patronising email from their CEO yesterday setting out their new masking policy which made me gibber with rage (for essentially the same reason as you). I’m about to send it off this afternoon. If his response is worth looking at, I’ll post it here.

356083 ▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to jamesh, 5, #1090 of 2159 🔗

Which CEO was this ASDA?

I have written to CEO of Morrisons, CC’d to my MP.

Do not know if I will get a reply from either.

356258 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to jamesh, #1091 of 2159 🔗

Was that the Tesco CEO? I received one a couple of days ago.

356074 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Polemon2, 8, #1092 of 2159 🔗

Well done for asking to see a manager.
Reports on here suggest that staff make their own decision to challenge people or have misunderstood instructions.
I guess they are often security staff employed by a different company, not the supermarket. Unless the supermarket manager is mad aware of the wrongdoing of their staff, nothing will change.
We all need to take that extra time to speak to a manager.

356099 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Silke David, 5, #1093 of 2159 🔗

or go for the Bruce Reynolds approach (see elsewhere on here) – reluctantly put on the mask and then faint onto the conflakes (or other soft merchandise)

356144 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Polemon2, 5, #1094 of 2159 🔗

Sorry to burst bubbles but these supermarkets fail to train there door goons (on minimum wage) properly.

The following supermarket members are incompetent / useless and should be fired :

  • CEO s – playing political games, make policy statements that contradicts government guidelines, failure to anticipate the negative impact on footfall and turnover
  • Senior management from Head Office – draft instructions to branches that makes no sense and contradicts government guidelines, failure to manage branch managers
  • Branch managers – failure to ensure that these instructions are properly implemented by door goons (normally outsourced and on minimum wage) and other overzealous staff.
356049 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 13, #1095 of 2159 🔗

I now never visit shops – everything online.

356056 ▶▶ Basics, replying to rockoman, 6, #1096 of 2159 🔗

Keep it off amazon

356060 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Basics, 5, #1097 of 2159 🔗

I do

Point taken. I’ve only ever bought difficult-to-find-books on Amazon.

Never do that any more.

356091 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to rockoman, 5, #1098 of 2159 🔗

Try bookshop.org, some money goes to a local bookshop of your choice.

356095 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #1099 of 2159 🔗

Thanks Nigel.

Never heard of them before.

356342 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to rockoman, #1100 of 2159 🔗

This is my local shop’s page on bookshop.org (excellent hats too).


Definitely not Amazon.

356125 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to rockoman, 5, #1101 of 2159 🔗

abebooks.co.uk is where I go. It’s an online storefront for small booksellers in the UK and abroad. And a very well-designed site too. Not quite as good as being in a proper bookshop but the next best thing.

356184 ▶▶▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Steve F, #1102 of 2159 🔗

I thought Abebooks had been swallowed up by Amazon, but it appears to be independent.

356200 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TomFaz, replying to DoubtingDave, #1103 of 2159 🔗

Right first time: Abebooks are a ‘stand-alone’ Amazon subsidiary, bought out in 2008.

357139 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to TomFaz, #1104 of 2159 🔗

I didn’t know that and wish I still didn’t.

356098 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to rockoman, 11, #1105 of 2159 🔗

Same here, I haven’t been to any shop since 24th July 2020.

It’s increasingly clear that we can’t stop this descent into hell. Let them all (order givers and followers) condemn themselves. My principle focus is now on surviving the storm so I can be there to help rebuild whatever is left after it eventually passes.

356113 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Richard O, 6, #1106 of 2159 🔗

I made the decision last week that I would use local stores, markets, butchers and grocers for my supplies. There is a brilliant food shop here that is Food Around the World, their stock items are really good. I will only shop in a supermarket for things I cannot get from local stores. If I do need to shop in a supermarket it will be Lidl or Aldi as, prior to my move, I always shopped at Lidle but not one here, it’s five miles away so it’s Aldi.

Some months ago I decided I would be willing to pay a little bit more to support local shops as they need our support more than ever now. I will continue to do so.

356126 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1107 of 2159 🔗

Do you get any mask hassle in any of these local shops?

356217 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 1, #1108 of 2159 🔗

I feel the same way Richard. They can all go to hell. My husband is willing to go along, which I hate, but it’s his choice as he prefers to shop for groceries in person whereas I would make the store do my picking and packing and just drive up to collect. I only shop in person at a health food store where the owner refuses to wear a mask or ask his customers to wear one. We’re rural now and so online shopping is a necessity. I’ll avoid Amazon when I can, but will use them vs. masking up in a store. Survival is my only imperative now.

356103 ▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to rockoman, 4, #1109 of 2159 🔗

Do you not enjoy choosing your own fruit & veg?

I can understand buying cans and packets online, but the simple pleasure of choosing apples is our last freedom.

Agree with keeping sales away from Amazon, wanted a piece of tech before Christmas, everywhere I looked it was coming either directly from Amazon or out of one of their warehouses.

In the end I purchased from a Dutch company, but they sent it from their own warehouse with no signs of Amazon being involved. Cost a bit more but so what.

356139 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to rockoman, 2, #1110 of 2159 🔗

Same with me. For the most part, I like it. I don’t have a car, so it’s much easier with a big grocery run, and it’s convenient. I can simply walk over to the kitchen if I’m not sure if I need something and you can change your order up until the night before the delivery.

356058 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 17, #1111 of 2159 🔗

Nipped out on my lunch break to Lidl to get a few things and pleased to say there was no mask police on force, no one said anything to me and I even spotted 3 other non masked shoppers in their relatively quiet, small store.
One sad element of the visit was a mother in front of me at the entrance had a mask on her son who couldnt have been more than 4 years old and after smothering his hands in the sanitizer, he said ‘Mummy I won’t get the virus now’. ffs

356096 ▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #1112 of 2159 🔗

I suspect German supermarkets will get my business, though I will be going back to the Morrisons branch during normal hours to speak to a manager.

356066 l835, replying to l835, 7, #1113 of 2159 🔗

So I asked Morrison’s if customers would be required to produce an “exemption certificate” or wear a lanyard in order to shop.

Their reply doesn’t answer the questions.

“ Good Afternoon

Thank you for your email, this really helps to improve our service.

Since the start of the pandemic we have introduced and consistently maintained thorough and robust safety measures in all our stores. These include managed store entrances, plastic screens, free face coverings, managed checkout queues, rigorous and regular cleaning and clear signage and instructions for customers. From today we are further strengthening our policy on masks.

Morrisons Chief Executive, David Potts said: “Those who are offered a face covering and decline to wear one won’t be allowed to shop at Morrisons unless they are medically exempt. Our store colleagues are working hard to feed you and your family, please be kind.”

Kind regards
Anfa ”

356080 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to l835, 6, #1114 of 2159 🔗

Typical. Keep challenging them!

356087 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Silke David, 11, #1115 of 2159 🔗

Email sent! And on a pedantic point, they’re not feeding me, just selling me things!!

356110 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to l835, 9, #1116 of 2159 🔗

They still need to be told that exemption does not mean”medical exemption” the thick bastards

356115 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to vargas99, 1, #1117 of 2159 🔗

I was just typing the same message! Without the appellation re. parentage though.

356240 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to bluemoon, 5, #1118 of 2159 🔗

I can’t say anything about this shit show without swearing, now. I’ve had it.

356114 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to l835, 4, #1119 of 2159 🔗

“Please be kind.” !!!

356145 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Steve F, 3, #1120 of 2159 🔗

This irritates me more than ‘stay safe!’ Arghhhhh!!!!!!!

356246 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #1121 of 2159 🔗

It never fails to trigger me.

356207 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to l835, 1, #1122 of 2159 🔗

“Medically exempt” is not a thing. They are still spouting nonsense.

356236 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to l835, 6, #1123 of 2159 🔗

What is clear, time and time again, is that these fuckers have not spent one second looking at the actual legislation. They just make shit up.

356073 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 28, #1124 of 2159 🔗

I am swinging from revolutionary warrior to traumatised wreck today!

Walking through town I was suddenly thirsty and approached a shop. On sight of scary security guard I lost my bottle. Desperately thirsty, starting to have a panic attack, I made it to a cafe and went in with no issues or questions.

I have composed this and am thinking of printing it out and showing to any security guard I encounter. Thoughts?

Under the Coronavirus Act 2020, I am legally exempt from wearing a face covering. The grounds under which I am exempt are complex and personal, and I am not in any way obliged to explain them to anyone. The Equalities Act 2010 grants me the legal right to identify as having a protected characteristic. If you subject me to question about this, or treat me in any way that humiliates me or segregates me from other people, you will be committing a hate crime under UK law. I am unable to look directly at masked faces due to past trauma I have suffered. Please give me a thumbs up if you have understood this written statement and can assure me you will not subject me to any form of persecution.

356085 ▶▶ Mark, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #1125 of 2159 🔗

That’s a good idea to have up your sleeve to respond to direct aggression from door enforcers..

I would recommend being even more specific, along the lines given above the line here:

To insist that I disclose why is a breach of Section 29(5)(a) of The Equality Act 2010. To deny me entry and/or service is a breach of Section 13(1) of the Equality Act 2010.

And perhaps finish with something like:

If I am unlawfully discriminated against by refusal of entry or service, I will seek legal advice to pursue an action against you, and report your illegal actions to the authorities.

356136 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mark, 3, #1126 of 2159 🔗

To be legally correct the Face Mask requirements are not made under the Coronavirus Act, the face mask requirements are set out in;
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020These are a statutory instrument made under the Public Health Act 1984.
The Government guidance on these and the Government exemption card can be found at;
I have some bit of this printed out and carry them with me but have never had to show them.
One of the reasons they are not supposed to routinely ask the reason is because a valid reason is mental health matters like Autism and Bi-polar where it could be harmful to broach the subject unless you are a mental health professional.

356092 ▶▶ leggy, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #1127 of 2159 🔗

Print out the image above the line today, it covers a lot of that.

356101 ▶▶ Alice, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #1128 of 2159 🔗

“from revolutionary warrior to traumatised wreck” – Oh, I know the feeling! I like you statement – might print something similar, just in case.

356141 ▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #1129 of 2159 🔗

CivilianNotCovidian you have taken the words from my mouth, I am in a similar mental place, it is one thing to have CPD etc, but how do you explain to someone what life experiences you have had, without discussing it?

Unless someone has experienced life changing trauma, I cannot see how they can tell what the apparent simple act of wearing a face covering can do. “Well wear a face shield” I struggle even letting a dentist touch my mouth.

I was in tears just reading your note above, it sums up my situation.


356183 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to DoubtingDave, 8, #1130 of 2159 🔗

I’m so sorry you and CivilianNotCovidian have been placed in this horrible position and I am sickened by the utter lack of compassion that characterizes the virtue-signalling masses. They are the most selfish and immoral among us. I have never believed they wear a mask to protect others; it’s always been about them and their “safety” and to hell with everyone else. Not that it’ll make you feel any better, but it’s worse here! My husband got called a fucking idiot last week while waiting alone for a few minutes in a vestibule to pick up our takeaway meal. The moronic pig was outside (only room for one person inside) and challenging my husband on not wearing a mask and then swore at him when he said he needn’t explain his exemption. It sounds like most of your shops and business will honour exemptions, which is not the case here — not that you should have to deal with daily challenges by these ignorant people. Wishing you the strength to persevere. We can’t let them win!

356202 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to DoubtingDave, 3, #1131 of 2159 🔗

I sympathise. I hate anything covering my face and last December had a full blown panic attack before some dental work. The stress a ” face covering” causes me just isn’t worth it, whoever it’s supposed to protect.
I’ve been fortunate in that I’ve only once been challenged on mask wearing, more specifically lack of it and can be very confident about going bare faced. But catch me on a bad day it would completely wreck me.

356303 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to DoubtingDave, 5, #1132 of 2159 🔗

Dave, you have a friend here who understands your suffering. I believe it is harder for men because society still objectifies men as being more mentally resilient than women when – in my professional and personal life – I have come across far more deeply vulnerable and traumatised men than women. It is horrible out there at the moment. But any persecuted community eventually comes together in solidarity and you have SO many people fighting your corner you don’t even know about it. I can’t promise when but this nightmare WILL end. Until then, stay strong, give yourself hourly hugs, drink copious amounts of tea (or beverage of choice) and find Rupert Everett’s desert island discs episode on Spotify or BBC sounds. Hearing of how he, and his fellow gay friends, were repeatedly rounded up and taken down to the police station for “public displays of affection” (when they had been drinking in a nightclub) EVEN when it was no longer illegal gave me courage and hope. Faith, my friend. Virtual hug to you.

356176 ▶▶ jb12, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #1133 of 2159 🔗

I recommend telling them to fuck off and if they have a problem you’ll meet them after their shift.

356239 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to jb12, 3, #1134 of 2159 🔗

Fuck off works. Use it frequently.

356100 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 11, #1135 of 2159 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9146485/New-poll-puts-support-Scottish-independence-57-cent.html – the article is that support is because of St Nicola’s handling of Covid. There must be too many who suck on the teat of the state up there and have suffered no financial loss and too many who are happy to live on a diet of netflix.

356163 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to arfurmo, 17, #1136 of 2159 🔗

That’s exactly the problem in a nutshell. When the percentage of people who work directly or indirectly for the government gets near 50%, as it is in many western countries, their support for the hand that feeds them will remain steady. As per someone’s post of yesterday, their optometrist is working up close to people but their GP isn’t. Nobody pays the optometrist to stay home and watch Netflix. And because such a huge percentage of people have secure, work-from-home or essential government jobs, they have no clue how the economy actually works and where their salaries come from.

I listened to a Tom Woods podcast the other day and what he said really struck me. He said that he could only hope that it’s a handful of powerful oligarchic technocrats that are behind all of this. It would be far easier to reverse course if it were “just” the WEF and the like who are doing this to us. But it’s our friends and neighbours who are complicit in their own subjugation, and ours, and they are a much more formidable force to overcome. Somehow that didn’t make me feel better! “They” may have taken advantage of the virus to push their agenda, but we the people (not on LS of course) have allowed it and are begging for more.

356171 ▶▶ jb12, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1137 of 2159 🔗

Worse than both of those: Scottish people in general are just a bit thick and hate the English. You can see how SNP rhetoric can work wonders in that context. I have also heard people say they will vote SNP to ‘get independence’ and then vote as they would after. Great plan that, apart from the 20 years of destruction the SNP will have inflicted to get there!

As an aside, the whole thing in the summer with Stalin keeping Scotland in lockdown was because they hoped to have better numbers than England and then use that when the inevitable economic implosion occurs: ‘See! We dae it butter thun the Inglish – independuncccee! Noo we’ll hae tae join tha EeeYoo tae get money fae thum ‘cos the Auld Enemy stole aw oors!’ Basics from this site has already shown that they are beginning to use the lockdown that they imposed as a point to argue for independence. Scotland is done anyway, but it will be such a miserable place if it is independent.

356117 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 42, #1138 of 2159 🔗

I have an exemption certificate which I show on demand

The certificate is signed by Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia

No one bats an eyelid

I kid you not

(The certificate also grants me the right to graze my pigs in the New Forest)

356169 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1139 of 2159 🔗

The certificate also grants me the right to graze my pigs in the New Forest

Well please travel over to Westminster and lead them there.

356337 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Old Bill, #1140 of 2159 🔗

They will recognise their own kind there.

356182 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1141 of 2159 🔗

Reminds me if the story of Jim Callaghan attending a May Day parade in Moscow. He’d forgotten his VIP pass so showed them his OAP buspass instead. Worked a treat.

356333 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, #1142 of 2159 🔗

All hail Ras Tafari Makonnen!

356339 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Cecil B, #1143 of 2159 🔗


356118 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1144 of 2159 🔗

BBC Bullshit:

Original : https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Uu7LEeFekxkJ:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55660232+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Headline: Heavy snow leads to hundreds of Yorkshire school closures
“Damn, we forget to mention Covid!”

Current : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55660232

Headline: UK snow: Covid testing centres and schools closed in Yorkshire
“Okay, boss; that’s fixed! I also made the Covid testing centres look the more important of the closures.”

356722 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Ceriain, #1145 of 2159 🔗

I hate them…

356122 Gtec, replying to Gtec, 6, #1146 of 2159 🔗

Somehow, reading the item about China, I ended up thinking he was writing about New Zealand, as I seem to recall they were using similar tactics to ‘defeat’ Covid.

Not quite the same level of surveillance perhaps (yet), I grant you, but the same or very similar in nearly all other aspects.

Seems we’re all living in some sort of country-wide not-so-open-prisons.

356206 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Gtec, 4, #1147 of 2159 🔗

Watched the cricket from Christchurch the other day, remarkable young bowler Kyle Jamieson demolishing Pakistan. Decent crowd in, nobody masked. Beautiful ground. Looked like an idyll from a lost world.

I’m not wishing disaster on them. Who would? But the truth is, they’re in exactly the same dystopian bind as the rest of us. The only difference is they have no covid.

356134 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 15, #1148 of 2159 🔗

There’s probably a psychological name or syndrome for this. The whole mask/anti mask thing as we all know is merely a byproduct of the coercion imperative. It does though seem to me that the hysteria from the masses is as a result of their fear of not getting their little bit of hoped for freedom. In other words, they are now so conditioned to the Government propaganda that they don’t even recognise that the loss of the freedoms they had just 18 months ago is now the new status quo. All they want is their little bit of freedom to keep them happy and compliant and they will blame anyone but themselves for the loss of it. They won’t blame the Government because they’re convinced the Government is looking after them so they blame anyone who threatens their little world. And that folks is US.

356155 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to vargas99, 4, #1149 of 2159 🔗

Stockholm syndrome?

356338 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to vargas99, #1150 of 2159 🔗


356140 ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 1, #1151 of 2159 🔗

The reason Anthony Fauci is king of the world:
This report is a bombshell and explains it all for me. Very long, with and excellent 6 page summary at the front.

356186 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ColoradoGirl, 3, #1152 of 2159 🔗

And they think people won’t end up in jail? If they don’t then the criminals have won

357158 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to ColoradoGirl, #1153 of 2159 🔗

6 page summary is a little off-putting. How long is the actual report?

356143 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 6, #1154 of 2159 🔗

Apologies if already posted but, blimey, they really are getting desperate. Even if I didn’t own a coffee shop, this would infuriate me:


I bet Costa is chuffed about this!

356174 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 8, #1155 of 2159 🔗

It just shows how desperate they are.

My house us a bit hidden away so I walk out about 20 yards and sit on the park bench when awaiting deliveries. I’m just on alert in case some chump says I shouldn’t be sitting there. JUST LET THEM TRY!

I haven’t gone so far as to sit there drinking coffee but am sorely tempted.

356224 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #1156 of 2159 🔗

Just do it. We all need to stand up against the covid fascists.

356175 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 3, #1157 of 2159 🔗

Perhaps won’t give a flying Starbuck? 🙂

Why is Pretty Useless getting the limelight at the moment?
People I know think she’s a one-woman, universal Covid test kit – gets right up everyone’s noses.
Having her front the clown shows, might be counter-productive for them.

356265 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #1158 of 2159 🔗

She has jumped in when the news was ‘no hardening of restrictions’. She’s hoping that will raise her standing when the leadership fight comes. Boris and Dimcock are for under the bus. Gove will be doing a Brutus skulking in the shadows with his knife. Leopards and spots.

356291 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to eastender53, 1, #1159 of 2159 🔗

Johnson and HankyCock must have at least agreed to her greater prominence. That is what I don’t understand – unless Gove has set her up (and Johnson might go along with that) to join the other two under the bus, whilst he (Gove) awaits his moment.

356188 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to kh1485, 2, #1160 of 2159 🔗

It’s OK – the rules won’t change until Saturday, Priti says so..

356199 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 8, #1161 of 2159 🔗

I just went out for a walk, came past 4 independent coffee shops, all closed (one had a flood, so cannot open anyway).
So nipped into Cafe Nero, which even accepted my own re-usable coffee cup. Staff have to wear gloves and she asked me drop my cup into one of their paper cupsleeves which she held open, to take my cup. I mentioned that that is a bit overkill, and she just replied it is procedure, indicating she thinks so too. No-one in the streets or in the shop. Hot chocolate was actually really nice!
I had planned to go into my park today with a sign offering hugs, but due to the rain except for a few dog walkers and a deer, empty.

356233 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Silke David, 5, #1162 of 2159 🔗

Ridiculous. Of course, it’s all theatre to keep the EHO at bay. I refuse to treat people like vectors of disease.

356377 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Silke David, 2, #1163 of 2159 🔗

Indeed was a rainy day. Seeing people in soggy masks everywhere… the logic beggars belief.

356211 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 297 of lockdown), replying to kh1485, 4, #1164 of 2159 🔗

Desperate but the saddest fact is the vast majority will not even question it. I would be surprised though if a big chain is advertised as ‘safer’ than independents. Nothing surprises me any more.

356213 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to kh1485, 1, #1165 of 2159 🔗

Ahhhhahahahahahahaha! Oh my goodness, I think some pee came out…

356148 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 3, #1166 of 2159 🔗


Lovely bloke, sign him up – where’s your lanyard?

356170 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 2, #1167 of 2159 🔗

LS of the week.

356191 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 7, #1168 of 2159 🔗

Defo. What an awful world we live in, I’m at a loss some days to think how far we have sunk, all for a mild flu with a 99.95% survival rate, in fact, fuck it, the stats, %’s, survival rates, false +’s, deaths within 28 days and all the other stuff, it’s all a load of bollocks.

There you go, power of 3 – load of bollocks!

356198 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to stefarm, -20, #1169 of 2159 🔗

It’s not a mild flu it’s a very pleasant nasty illness for a large number of people.

356218 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, 6, #1170 of 2159 🔗

Oh – a heavy flu then.

356238 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to rockoman, 16, #1171 of 2159 🔗

Years ago I got a “really nasty pneumonia “. That’s what the consultant kept calling it. I asked him if there was such a thing as a nice, benign pneumonia. Reflecting on it, it wasn’t the pneumonia that was nasty, though that wasn’t great, it was my immune system’s reaction to it. I suspect the same is true of covid.
But no one made a fuss about it or closed the country down. It was just a bad season for respiratory infections.

356220 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Mayo, 21, #1172 of 2159 🔗

And so what? People are dying from a lot worse diseases but are being ignored. Covid is not worth the destruction of our economy or lives..

356225 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mayo, 35, #1173 of 2159 🔗

There are many unpleasant nasty illnesses Mayo. Hospital acquired sepsis for one. That’s usually pretty fatal. But I don’t remember them shutting the entire fucking world down for that. This time I am not apologising for my language. Has your life been trashed for this Mayo? I am guessing not. Has 17 years of hard bloody graft just been flushed down the toilet Mayo? I am guessing not. While you prattle on about bloody useless statistics, someone is out there losing everything. Just sod right off.

356261 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to kh1485, 13, #1174 of 2159 🔗

Goodonya kh. It’s needed saying for some time now. Every day most of us wake to an increasingly bleak existnce . It’s the feeling of being, not necessarily physically , but mentally imprisoned .
We can all see that the collection of idiots surrounding Boris are incompetent and mendacious, but there is no mechanism by which individuals can change the system.
A staggering loss of council seats by the Tories in May might have done it, but the elections have been cancelled according to the pundits .
Elections cancelled
Human rights legislation flushed away, treated like Boris’s toilet paper
Journalists too stupid or too cowed to even look behind the curtain at real facts.
Physical imprisonment one could fight against .
Mental imprisonent is the real killer of one’s spirit and people who have no feeling for another’s anguish should be asked not to be so supercilious.

356341 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to kh1485, 10, #1175 of 2159 🔗

Perfectly said. This situation calls for a lot more than bad fucking language.

356244 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Mayo, 11, #1176 of 2159 🔗

Presumably you mean the people getting payed for sitting around at home having a wank? Yeah, I can understand why they would be keen to see it hyped up.

356403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 3, #1177 of 2159 🔗

That’s pretty much all I can do now. It’s not all it’s hyped up to be lol

356267 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Mayo, 1, #1178 of 2159 🔗

“very pleasant”? are you missing an un?

Some things are binary some are not. Biological sex is binary. Illness response to a virus is not.

356278 ▶▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Mayo, 13, #1179 of 2159 🔗

It’s a very targeted illness that 99%+ don’t experience in anything but a mild way. Define ‘a large number’ then compare it to the Bristol University estimate of 200k+ Lockdown linked deaths.

There can be no weakening of the position that the effects of this virus have been vastly exaggerated in an attempt to save political face and careers.

356216 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 4, #1180 of 2159 🔗

load of bollocks

The LS three.part.slogan!

356252 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to stefarm, -8, #1181 of 2159 🔗

It’s not a mild flu. It’s a potentially fatal disease and trivialising it doesn’t do anyone any favours. Indeed, to do so is to undermine all who are trying to counter the misinformation, disinformation and deleterious policies which are destroying lives and livelihoods. It’s that sort of trivialisation that allows us all to be characterised as ‘deniers’ and fruit-loops.

356358 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 6, #1182 of 2159 🔗

No, it’s perfectly legitimate moderate hyperbole – the equivalent of calling covid a “nasty, deadly disease” on the other side. The reality is that colds and flu’s can kill you very nastily, if you are vulnerable, but they are only termed “deadly diseases” when people want to justify increased spending on them, or other measures that require political motivation.

356408 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #1183 of 2159 🔗

I couldn’t care less if someone characterises me as a denier or fruit loop for advising them that the current death rates are nothing out the ordinary when put into context and this is nothing like a pandemic. Even if this were an extremelely virulent virus it still wouldn’t justify this level of economic and social harm. Fuck em, call me what you like!

356260 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to stefarm, 2, #1184 of 2159 🔗

Love him!

356149 TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 22, #1185 of 2159 🔗

Report from the front line:

  • WH Smith-cum-Post Office: no-one on the door; no challenge. There never has been there, but as they are all redundant at the end of this week, they possibly couldn’t care less.
  • Booths supermarket: was asked politely “Have you a face covering, or are you exempt?” which is absolutely the right way to deal with it if they have to. No quibble when I said I was exempt. Gold star for them.
356221 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #1186 of 2159 🔗

I got threatening e-mails from Tesco and Asda yesterday saying anyone without a mask would be ejected.

356227 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Pancho the Grey, 1, #1187 of 2159 🔗

see below – lots of comments about this

356152 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 47, #1188 of 2159 🔗

Just got back from a trip to the greengrocers, which I’ve only really been using for a few weeks. the owner (I think), a lady. was previously unmasked, except today she was wearing a visor and asked me if I had a face covering, to which I replied ” i am exempt”.
Her response was that, so was she but she’s been threatened by the local council so that she has to wear a facecovering. So we had a chat and it turns out she has panic attacks so I told her she was exempt and that the council official was breaking the law both in terms of coronavirus legislation and the Disability Discrimination Act 2010. I pointed her to laworfiction, having shown her my own self exemption form and hopefully she will be able to stand up for herself next time this bully comes in (he was insisting she had to have a signed letter from her doctor!).
I will check back in next week and if she has still had issues then I’ll take it upon myself to defend her to the council, put them straight and maybe even accuse them of hate crime.

356181 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to vargas99, 15, #1189 of 2159 🔗

That really is the front line for the regular Joe. They need support and stand up to these bullies.

356528 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to vargas99, 2, #1190 of 2159 🔗

Might be worth getting in touch with PCR Claims, this is the kind of case they are supposedly representing. https://pcrclaims.co.uk/

356543 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to vargas99, 1, #1191 of 2159 🔗

Yes, that would qualify as a hate crime. Check the council code of conduct, it may well also come into the category of malfeasance in public office.

356153 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 23, #1192 of 2159 🔗

The guy who wanted to put the bet on has probably dodged a bullet.

While I appreciate that this situation is unprecedented, I really do not think anyone will end up being meaningfully punished for this.

There is no precedent for anyone in power ending up in prison for the decisions they took in office, unless those decisions involved fraudulent personal gain or perjury.

Otherwise, the many who confidently predicted that Blair would end up in the Hague would have been right. They weren’t. Nor did anything happen to Brown for selling our gold or plundering our pensions, or borrowing from our grandchildren to bail out the banks.

The people responsible for wrapping Grenfell Tower in eco-cladding will never pay for their decisions either.

Nor will those who sat on their hands during the grooming scandals, or those who allowed people to be given Hepatitis and HIV from Factor 8 or those who dished out Thalidomide. Need I go on?

No-one will be held accountable. Boris, Hancock et al will face a black day in the press one day in the future, but by then they will all be in the House of Lords, and making merry with their basket of Non-Exec directorships.

The one I think most likely to face difficult questions is Patrick Valium because of his shareholdings.

The rest of them? No, sir. They will not be paying for what they have put millions of people through.

356179 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AidanR, 14, #1193 of 2159 🔗

They’d put Trump in prison if they could, for pointing out how rigged the game is and making a speech

356197 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to AidanR, 4, #1194 of 2159 🔗

“There is no precedent for anyone in power ending up in prison for the decisions they took in office, unless those decisions involved fraudulent personal gain or perjury.”

Tell that to Göring and Hess.

356270 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to rockoman, 1, #1195 of 2159 🔗

True, but I expect rockoman meant here in the UK?

356308 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to rockoman, 2, #1196 of 2159 🔗

The point being that they weren’t in power at that stage. Democrats do see themselves as having vanquished ‘Orange Hitler’ yet claim not to have rigged the election. The questions then is why not? Wouldn’t anything be justified to remove Hitler?

356512 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #1197 of 2159 🔗

Student of Scott Adams? He’s made some very good points, but in the last few months, his predictions have been completely wide of the mark, sadly.

356232 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to AidanR, 7, #1198 of 2159 🔗

Don’t forget the Post Office/Siemens IT scandal. In a civilised country, Tim Parker and Paula Vennells CBE would now be in prison.

356509 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #1199 of 2159 🔗

I’m intimately acquainted with that scandal, and personally know people who were thrown under the bus in that one – the people responsible have no shame whatsoever.

356253 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to AidanR, 5, #1200 of 2159 🔗

There are possibilities. One must go after the bottom feeders with hard indictments and offer deals if they roll over on those above them. Eventually you reach the top. Witless and Unbalanced are clearly guilty of fraud and deception (4000 deaths a day) and would sell out Dimcock and Boris in a heartbeat for a few years off the tariff.

356515 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to eastender53, #1201 of 2159 🔗

I don’t think the system in this country works that way – it’s precisely what they’d do in USA, but I just don’t things legally are set up that way over here. Certainly I’ve never heard of formal plea bargaining in English justice.

356525 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to AidanR, #1202 of 2159 🔗

True, and there won’t also be any ‘I told you so’ moment for sceptics. If – and it’s a big if – the sheeple have some sort of wake-up call, they will turn on a sixpence and be Covid Believers one day, and Covid Deniers the next, and most will claim they always believed it was a bit fishy. We may even get people claiming they were in the ‘Lockdown Resistance’, like some French did after WW2, despite having nothing to do with it.

356761 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Cranmer, #1203 of 2159 🔗

This is another attempt to divide and rule – it won’t work any more because we can see through it

356165 rockoman, 7, #1204 of 2159 🔗


This is exactly where we are:


7 minute video.

356167 Cheezilla, 5, #1205 of 2159 🔗

Only 2 days left and they need your help.
Please support the Tillbrook case, challenging the constitutional validity of the mockdown regs:


356173 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1206 of 2159 🔗

The hills are alive with the sound of drones …

356178 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1207 of 2159 🔗

Do not forget our brothers and sisters in other parts of the world.

356180 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1208 of 2159 🔗

Boris’s claims are lame.

356203 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to bebophaircut, 5, #1209 of 2159 🔗

He’s an unprincipled liar who has completely fooled the public.

356177 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 9, #1210 of 2159 🔗

Who are the main financial losers in all this?
I note plenty of building/roofing work going on.
Fencing,Landscape, Driveway contractors working and will probably increase workload with good weather in Spring.
Kitchen contractors etc working – some issue with supplies of ovens etc.

356192 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steeve, 10, #1211 of 2159 🔗

Who are the main financial losers in all this?

We will have to wait until hyperinflation, bank bail.ins and the destruction of the pension system before the answer to that question is clear.

356279 ▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to rockoman, 1, #1212 of 2159 🔗

Everyone I suspect apart from a tiny tiny number.

356193 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steeve, 3, #1213 of 2159 🔗

Quicker to list the winners/those not losing

356195 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Steeve, 3, #1214 of 2159 🔗

Initially, everyone whose job was in the bloated service sector. Ultimately, everyone when we start to feel the bite of decades of financial irresponsibility carried out in our names.

356272 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to jb12, 5, #1215 of 2159 🔗

Maybe this will encourage more youngsters to learn a trade.

356201 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steeve, 4, #1216 of 2159 🔗

We have quite a number of skips around here, so building contractors are being kept busy,.

356215 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Steeve, 12, #1217 of 2159 🔗

A friend of a friend works for a kitchen company and he said business is booming. No one is going on holiday and are spending money on new kitchens instead, and if they are going to be stuck at home more often and eating in, they may as well have a nice kitchen.

356247 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Steeve, 7, #1218 of 2159 🔗

I had a new roof fitted back in December and the roofing company said they had never been busier, absolutely flat out and fully booked up for 3 months in advance. They were doing work all over the country. Friend is a landscape gardener & he s flat out, another mate is a plumber and he s got so much work he cant keep up with demand. All tradesmen are the same atm. Its cos people are stuck at home and are seeing jobs which need to be done and doing house improvements. Housing market also is crazy around my area, with some houses selling in 24 hours or less.

356271 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to ThomasT, 2, #1219 of 2159 🔗

its all those with steady well paid jobs who have saved money by working from home and using it to do up issues with the house which they have noticed for the first time whilst at home

356273 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to ThomasT, 7, #1220 of 2159 🔗

As someone in the trades ( Electrician ) I can confirm that we are busier than we have been for a long time, probably not since the late 1990s / early 2000s . So busy that even being in the trades yourself doesn’t help in getting someone in , been let down buy numerous plumbers over a small job on my own place that needed doing . Gave up in the end and did it my bloody self .

356190 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 27, #1221 of 2159 🔗

A neighbour a few doors down is a taxi driver. He was telling my husband the other day that he put £20 of petrol in his taxi and took £25 worth of takings that day, so he made £5 for the entire day. He said most days are like that but a lot of the time he never has any work at all. Said because he was still working in a sense that it was difficult to get any sort of financial assistance from the government.
Only for his wife having a steady part time job, how would this man be expected to live?
I dare say more and more are reaching near the poverty line, if not already there.

356299 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #1222 of 2159 🔗

They don’t want these people to live. That’s the point. This will become obvious to the public in short order.

It’s a “Great Leap Forward” and they will knowingly KILL people to achieve it.

356312 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Noumenon, 1, #1223 of 2159 🔗


356365 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #1224 of 2159 🔗

There are certainly winners and loosers in this, I know many self employed barely affected by the lockdowns who have worked through them and claimed both of the first 2 grants (80% of profits). To claim you only had to be affected by a small amount and many claim them as they know their tax will go up to pay for it, so they may as well. This is a considerable amount of money for most, and if you are also busy working and already on good money it’s, a nice little windfall.

Then you get people like me, my business cant operate during the lockdowns, and I qualify for nothing. Meanwhile all around me the vast majority of the population are much better off due to fulough/work from home and not having to travel to work with all the associated costs, or busy with work plus SEISS windfall and are rolling in cash.

This is not going to last, as many will be affected, and dont realise the economy is going to crash after this. I know I would not be splashing the cash unless I had a very very safe job.

356621 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ganjan21, #1225 of 2159 🔗

He lost money as he’s not figured for any finance payments, MOTs, road fund licence, insurance, servicing and do so on – if he works 5 days/week 50 weeks a year he will probably factor in an average of £30-50/day to cover these on top of fuel.

356223 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 23, #1226 of 2159 🔗

Physical and behavioural impacts of mask wearing on children.

Apologies if this has been posted before. Quite astonishing results.


A German study involving over 25,000 children reveals that major negative impacts on the physical, psychological, and behavioral health of children may be far more widespread than reported in the media and by government officials — affecting approximately 68% and contributing to 24 distinct health complaints, according to parent submitted observations.

356230 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to godowneasy, 15, #1227 of 2159 🔗

It’s downright child abuse.

356243 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to godowneasy, 18, #1228 of 2159 🔗

Daily reminder that these people think giving children a sex change is a grand idea.
Why on earth would they care about masks??

356229 TheClone, 2, #1229 of 2159 🔗

Could somebody please explain why the vaccine delivery schedule and storage locations are to be kept secret? Thank you.

356231 PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 16, #1230 of 2159 🔗

Re: Common challenges impeding debate

Toby, please take note about sticking labels on people like ‘antivaxxer’ or ‘covid-denier’. Going round saying “I’m not one of them” whoever they are does not help anything.

356304 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 4, #1231 of 2159 🔗

exactly. there is only one question: are you a deranged fascist or not? nothing else matters.

356237 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1232 of 2159 🔗

Some one asked for an update on the Fullmich case


356257 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1233 of 2159 🔗


This is the link to the English newsletter on above twitter link


356249 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #1234 of 2159 🔗

From Priti, I’m not going to beat you up today or tomorrow I’m going to beat you up in three days time

How fucking warped is that?

She’s been hanging round with Idi Amin for too long

356255 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1235 of 2159 🔗

They really got her character on point in the new Spitting Image

356307 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1236 of 2159 🔗

Expect an anouncement Saturday tea time, just so as to fuck up your weekend. They’ve got form.

356314 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1237 of 2159 🔗

And then a further one on Monday just to twist the knife a bit more.

356251 Richard O, 1, #1238 of 2159 🔗

Request for the statisticians on here: a stacked bar chart showing all cause mortality by cause of death in the UK for (at least) the last 10 years.

I can get the raw data required for England and Wales from the ONS website, but if anyone has this for the whole UK to hand I think it could very revealing.

356263 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #1239 of 2159 🔗

Biden’s new choice for CDC director seems even worse than the present one if that is possible. But there are some interesting development that Cuomo will lift lockdowns next week and even in California, despite ongoing maximum wave,they will start lifting LD in San Diego. And probably Pompeo/Trump will throw a spanner in the wheel for Biden,releasing next week evidence(which they both knew all the time) that Sars-Cov2 leaked by mistake from the Wuhan lab(not mentioning that the lab was heavily supported by US.NIH and US Military)
 “Incoming CDC Director plans to focus on cases, which it seems she mistakenly equates with positive PCR test results, and masking, which she appears to think works. She also appears to be unaware that kids attending school has played no role in spreading infection

356288 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1240 of 2159 🔗

After some weeks break, I listened to a Seattle based podcast yesterday. They were going on about the “run on the Capitol” and how glad they are Biden will be president soon.
I stopped listening to them in November after they gushed about it and their support for mouthnosecovering wearing and SD with more winter restrictions coming in.
I realised I did the right thing not listening anymore and look forward to them having their upcoming when it becomes apparent how the Democrats lied.
I am not republican or a Trump supporter, but the Democrats with their decision to nominate Biden, wtf?

356357 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1241 of 2159 🔗

In short, the new CDC director is a tard.

Kind of like China Joe himself.

356264 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 72, #1242 of 2159 🔗

I wonder if we have been subject to intense psychological manipulation rather than an actual pandemic. This is a list of what we have been subjected to since last year.

·       If you go on the internet, there are endless articles about the coronavirus. This gives the impression this virus is rampant and making large numbers of people ill.

·       The government introduces extremely draconian laws which prevents people interacting and forces vast numbers of businesses to close.

·       The mainstream media has round the clock coverage of covid. There are endless programmes about covid. Newspapers devote page after page about covid. The Daily Mirror has figures every day for the number of deaths and cases.

·       The government makes masks compulsory.

·       Shops have one way systems, screens at tills to supposedly protect staff, sanitisers for hands and trolleys, customers initially had to queue to get in supermarkets, Tesco has traffic lights and limits on how many can enter a shop and signs about covid.

·       Trains and buses have seats customers can’t use. There is an app telling you how full a train is.  There are signs telling people trains are regularly disinfected. In my train station there are pieces of plastic on train benches to prevent customers sitting too close to each other.

·       In cafes, restaurants and pubs as in shops there are screens to supposedly protect staff. Tables are set apart and there are one way systems. Track and trace is compulsory if you eat in. Pubs have to follow regulations such as table service only.

·       There are signs everywhere telling you social distance.

·       People are vilified as selfish disease spreaders and covid idiots when the engage in normal socialising.

·       There are adverts in newspapers and in the street warning us about coronavirus.

·       The governments holds daily briefings about covid.

·       Businesses go through a cycle of having to close, being able to open and having to close again. If businesses are allowed to open, they can’t provide a full service. For instance, restaurants can provide takeaways but not sit in.

To justify the above, there should be clear evidence of a deadly pandemic such as people dying in large numbers, people surviving but becoming severely ill and everyone would know someone who has been ill. Staff and customers should be dropping like flies in businesses which have stayed open. If large numbers of staff dying or becoming temporarily unable to work due to illness, labour shortages would emerge and we would see issues such as food deliveries not getting through, power cuts, public transport not running. There are no actual signs we are in a pandemic. We don’t see people dying in droves or becoming ill but surviving. You don’t even see large numbers with minor symptoms such as coughing. Everyone around me is perfectly healthy.  I don’t see businesses being unable to function due to staff shortages and I don’t see staff having to take time off work being an issue. On Youtube comment you hear people saying I don’t know anyone with covid. Staff and customers haven’t been dropping like flies in businesses which have stayed open all the time such as supermarkets. Without the points I mentioned above you wouldn’t notice we were in a pandemic. In a real pandemic, many of what we see would be unnecessary. For instance, in a real pandemic the government would not need to spend money on advertising if there was an obvious danger.

Do you feel that we are not actually in a pandemic and instead we have been subject to an intense campaign of psychological brainwashing and trickery into thinking we are in a deadly pandemic? Do you feel this manipulation and trickery has been so effective people don’t see there are no signs we are in a pandemic and it is very difficult to undo this brainwashing?

356275 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ianric, 19, #1243 of 2159 🔗

Very difficult to undo what’s been done. Am not sure how you de-brainwash people, or even if such a thing is possible.

356281 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, 18, #1244 of 2159 🔗

People are rehabilitated after being in a cult but it takes time and expertise.

356294 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #1245 of 2159 🔗

I thought that after I saw a video – shared on here?- of a girl getting hysterical in a lift as another person (wearing a mouthnosecovering) entered.
My first reaction, like I guess so many, was to laugh, but then I was really sorry for the hysterical girl. She is probably scarred for life.

356497 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1246 of 2159 🔗

What’s sad is that the allies after WW2 had a major programme of denazification, which involved things like organising debates for young army officers with titles like ‘what is free speech and how does it work’ etc. Hard to see something like that being allowed now.

356289 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #1247 of 2159 🔗

It cannot be done without blame attaching to Johnson and Starmer. Therefore, no attempt will be made to do it.

356344 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1248 of 2159 🔗

Complete pauperisation of the population will bring back reality.

356277 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Ianric, 4, #1249 of 2159 🔗

Just seen something on twitter about trying to de-brainwash supporters of Trump, who are likened to a cult.

356293 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Jo, 6, #1250 of 2159 🔗

I shall wear my scarlet letter ‘T’ with pride (and wait for 2024!). Faute de mieux.

356395 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo, -3, #1251 of 2159 🔗

There is a culty element to some of them
The Q people need the firing squad

356454 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #1252 of 2159 🔗

The Q people were certainly led up the garden path with fantasy nonsense while their Lord And Savior gave even more money to the banks. It was obvious what Trump was all about the moment he filled his cabinet with Goldman scumbags.

There are none so blind…..

356280 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ianric, 5, #1253 of 2159 🔗


356282 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ianric, 26, #1254 of 2159 🔗

Great summary. In short, the answer to your questions is yes.

If governments and the MSM worldwide had done absolutely nothing, would we have even noticed that there was supposedly a new respiratory virus?

I contend that the April spike in deaths was largely due to elderly patients being kicked out of hospitals, dumped into care homes and then denied treatment. Take this away and what do we have left?

Sadly we are too deep into this now to go back, and much of the damage already inflicted is irreparable.

356283 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ianric, 10, #1255 of 2159 🔗

De-brainwashing = de-radicalisation. Fortunately we have some of the best experts in the world at it. Some regimes focus on how to brainwash and radicalise people. Others focus on how to de-brainwash and de-radicalise people. We exist as a human race today because the latter eventually triumph over tyrants. Hold your nerve.

356349 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #1256 of 2159 🔗

Do we? We’ve been under the boot for most of civilization and this episode has demonstrated exactly well. I feel like we’re at the start of the boot being pressed down again.

356284 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ianric, 8, #1257 of 2159 🔗

One of the very best comments I have read on here.

356381 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to rockoman, #1258 of 2159 🔗

Yes – very good

356296 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ianric, 1, #1259 of 2159 🔗

the short answer is yes and yes

356301 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ianric, 17, #1260 of 2159 🔗

Yes it has been a nationwide psych-ops. The government employs a team of human behavioural bods to aid them terrify the population. See this extract from LS

“Professor Neil Ferguson has given an extraordinary interview to Tom Whipple at The Times, in which he confirms the degree to which he believes that imitating China’s lockdown policies at the start of 2020 changed the parameters of what Western societies consider acceptable.
“I think people’s sense of what is possible in terms of control changed quite dramatically between January and March,” Professor Ferguson says. When SAGE observed the “innovative intervention” out of China, of locking entire communities down and not permitting them to leave their homes, they initially presumed it would not be an available option in a liberal Western democracy: “It’s a communist one party state, we said. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could.” “

So you see they deliberately set out to scare the country shitless. Hanging is too good for them.

356310 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ianric, 8, #1261 of 2159 🔗

I still want to believe that almost ALL western countries have introduced THE SAME “rules” pretty much at the same time and keep doing so is still coincidence and not planned.

356329 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Silke David, 11, #1262 of 2159 🔗

I increasingly think that whether this was planned or coincidental is irrelevant for our current struggle. This will be for future historians to decide. We are where we are. The vast majority of the world’s population are on board with it and will not listen to anything we say. Personally, the blame for me lies chiefly with the general population, not the so-called leaders.

356759 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Silke David, 2, #1263 of 2159 🔗

My theory would be that each country has a similar body to SAGE, all of which are loaded with scientists with the currupt self interests like ours is in the vaccine industry. No doubt they exchange ideas and see the ideas of other countries as a best practice to reach their own self interest goals, then copy them.

356330 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to Ianric, 3, #1264 of 2159 🔗

Yes. Absolutely. In my world people are simply carrying on as usual as far as they can. Rural area and market towns fairly low key restrictions.

356392 ▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Ianric, 10, #1265 of 2159 🔗

The things you list are to stop people chatting rather stop the spread of disease

The businesses bending over to put “safety measures” in place, then having to close anyway are wrecking the none corporate economy.

People not being able to do joyful things is wrecking people.

When was playing a round of golf or going fishing every going to spread disease? Maybe a nice walk in the Derbyshire Peaks, far too enjoyable dangerous.

356416 ▶▶ jos, replying to Ianric, 10, #1266 of 2159 🔗

If this was a real pandemic and this was really about saving lives they wouldn’t be doing everything they can to make it seem worse than it is and at the beginning they wouldn’t have put frail, elderly people with the virus back into care homes .. this is not about health and not about saving lives. As you say, it’s a psychological operation to destabilise our society and the reason for this will become evident all too soon.

356500 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to jos, 6, #1267 of 2159 🔗

Exactly. We need to stay strong. We cannot let them win with this shitshow

356445 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Ianric, 12, #1268 of 2159 🔗

It’s becoming increasingly difficult to argue that this is not a deliberate mindfuck campaign. We seem to have passed beyond the realm of political incompetence and into Tavistock Institute territory.

They have declared war on us a way so novel that the vast majority don’t realise it, though they surely feel it.

I hope, one day, there will be hell to pay for this.

356473 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Ianric, 6, #1269 of 2159 🔗

Don’t forget the “Fact Checker” type sites which only popped up last year to tell us what is “real” facts to save us looking for ourselves. Also the term “Fake News” seemed to come from nowhere last year and is now banded about on anything which doesnt fit the story.

Not to mention previously any “conspiracy theorists and theories” were always treated as a bit of a laugh by MSM who every now & then would do an article on 9/11 or Elvis still being alive, but now those terms are being banded about like crazy against anyone who dares question the narrative. Then the calls that these evil dangerous conspiracy theorists should be punished. Now we have Twitter/Google/Amazon/Facebook taking active approaches to delete such content….

356276 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1270 of 2159 🔗

I was very surprised a lot more wasn’t made of this story yesterday:


The implications are very far-reaching. First observation: Hotel rooms have carpeted flooring. Not very hygienic!

While it sounds a resonable idea for +ve testing homeless, who probably aren’t sick and just need to sit out the 10 days, presumably this has come because of the bed-blocking geriatrics. Standard hotel rooms are not equipped to deal with the disabled or the infirm!

356302 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1271 of 2159 🔗

And the de-commissioning of Nightingale hospitals.

356317 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1272 of 2159 🔗

If geriatrics are – as usual – bed blocking as there is no care available at home, how will they cope in an unfamiliar hotel room?
Is hotel staff to look after them? As an ex housekeeping staff in a hotel who had to deal with medical emergencies and frail hotel guests, NO!

356391 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1273 of 2159 🔗

Hopefully co-habiting with all those fighting aged male migrants
Rona vs the boat people
who wins??

356290 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 22, #1274 of 2159 🔗

Latest confected panic:
Fears of the Brazilian Electrician strain of coronavirus which is uniquely dangerous compared to the other 12852 strains have led to more flights being banned.
Cressida Dicks crack team of unmasked thugs are on standby to shoot any Brazilians suspected of walking slowly through London.

356320 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Nessimmersion, 9, #1275 of 2159 🔗

They better avoid especially any underground stations!

356345 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #1276 of 2159 🔗

Seven headshots and a written warning.

356297 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 5, #1277 of 2159 🔗

I know that this is minor but we haven’t had any post here for an week. Anyone else getting this?

356305 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to TimeIsNow, 3, #1278 of 2159 🔗

I didn’t get any for nearly a week(nor did neighbours), then a deluge through the letterbox today. Not the communication that I was actually getting twitchy about, unfortunately.

356316 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to TimeIsNow, 4, #1279 of 2159 🔗

The posties are off due to self isolation. In Hancock’s constituency (Bury St Edmunds Suffolk) they had 90 staff off this last week. Some areas only get deliveries once per week.

Why are they testing??

356322 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Victoria, 2, #1280 of 2159 🔗

Hancock is not the MP for BSE. That is the just as shitty Jo Churchill. Hancock is MP for neighbouring Newmarket.

Lot of people worried that they will miss their vaccination letter.

356332 ▶▶ stevie, replying to TimeIsNow, 1, #1281 of 2159 🔗

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If you need to collect an item for which we’ve left a ‘Something for you’ card from one of these offices, please check royalmail.com/services-near-you for details of our revised Customer Service Point opening hours. If we’ve not left a ‘Something for you card’, and you do not have alternative arrangements in place, we’re sorry that your mail will not be available for collection.

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356364 ▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to TimeIsNow, #1282 of 2159 🔗

Have a watch of this:


Tells you all you need to know.

356397 ▶▶ jos, replying to TimeIsNow, 1, #1283 of 2159 🔗

Just received mail and a parcel posted in early December (north London)

356298 jamesh, replying to jamesh, 19, #1284 of 2159 🔗

Sent this afternoon:

I write in response to your email to me of yesterday, 13 January 2021 in which you say that: “If a customer now refuses to wear a covering without a valid medical reason and challenges our colleagues when asked to put on a mask, they will be refused entry to the store,” which statement left me gibbering and upset.
I have neither the inclination nor the responsibility to explain to you why I find that bald statement so offensive – your employee tasked with compliance with disability legislation will probably be able to explain to you why that might be the case. At any rate, I hope they would be in a position so to do.
In summary, however, having to “badge” or publicly label myself as disabled is, in my opinion potentially a degrading and demeaning act, but, up to now, wearing or not wearing an “Exempt” badge and lanyard has been always my sole decision. To insist I do so is a breach of the Equality Act 2010, Section 29 (5)(a). Further: the default position in law has always been, again to the best of my understanding, that in the absence of a badge or lanyard the non-wearer is to be understood as being disabled. No need for identification a such. And to expand even further, as my understanding remains that neither the Equality Act nor the current Coronavirus legislation has changed to the extent that the earlier Act is trumped, if I am now required to badge myself and present a form of evidence to a non-clinically qualified functionary validating my medical history at the door of your store I shall feel demeaned, degraded and discriminated against.
As CEO every word you write and publicise has huge “clout”. As your email letter makes no mention at all of exemptions, I take your words at face-value.
I send this letter by post as I have unsubscribed from your mailing service following receipt of your letter and I expect that from now on you will see considerably less of me shopping at the XXXXX store.”

If I get a half-decent reply I will copy it here.

356371 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to jamesh, 5, #1285 of 2159 🔗

I am assuming that all these stores have had some sort of nod from the ruling Junta that they have to do this voluntarily or the Uberfuhrer will bring in some more draconian laws on shops which they will not like. The Junta are getting others to do their dirty work for them, it must have been quite a big threat as all the stores have really ramped this up.

356420 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1286 of 2159 🔗

I’m sure a threat to refer their de facto cartel to the Competition and Markets Authority- with Sir Humphrey’s personal promise that they would be smashed and scattered to the four winds as a result of its findings- would concentrate their corporate mind wonderfully.

356300 bebophaircut, #1287 of 2159 🔗

A new Ism is impinging on world politics, Pingism. Beware!

356306 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 9, #1288 of 2159 🔗

Update on Reiner Fullermich case.



The second link is to a document which gives updates on all current legal cases.

356309 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, 1, #1289 of 2159 🔗

Great information thanks

356315 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #1290 of 2159 🔗

It would appear that the English translation of the report has been viewed around half a million times.

356325 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 8, #1291 of 2159 🔗

I wonder how those who accuse us of conspiracy theories will react when the culprits are found guilty of errrr….. conspiracy?

356426 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Basileus, 7, #1292 of 2159 🔗

“The hearings conducted by the Berlin Corona Committee since July 10, 2020, and attended by some one hundred internationally prominent scientists, medics, economists, lawyers and people badly affected, have determined – as of today – that at no point was the Corona scandal about health. This is because:

As explained in the last newsletter, the danger presented by this allegedly new virus can be compared to that of influenza – this is the conclusion not only of studies by Prof. John Ioannidis of Stanford University but also the assessment of the World Health Organisation.

The Drosten-PCR-Tests, which were devised in January 2020, are not remotely suitable for determining whether someone is infected or not, despite being recommended as the global Gold Standard for determining infection by the WHO; it should be noted that the leadership of this organisation is under the financial control of China and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (the WHO certainly has good employees – as too does the Robert-Koch Institute, despite its incompetent management).

In a retraction paper, a score of highly regarded international scientists have called on the editors of the journal which published the PCR tests as a measurement method for infections to withdraw the mischief forthwith. This test is not only scientific nonsense, but was obviously designed to create as many false positives as possible and so spread panic in the world.”

And they call us the conspiracy theorists and covid deniers.
I am so going to enjoy it if this really does make a difference.
It completely backs up everything we’ve said on LS for months.

356486 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to LMS2, 1, #1293 of 2159 🔗

I had heard of the Drosten case but had not heard of the US and Canadian cases against PCR testing. ‘They’ will try to nobble cases at first, but eventually, I hope, they will nobble so many that even the dimmest journalists and lawyers start getting a bit worried.

356313 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 17, #1294 of 2159 🔗

Just back from Aldi and Home Bargains, no change from last week, no hassle. Felt good coming out, but that feeling was spoiled by the radio news in the car, saying they don’t rule out new restrictions next week. What are they going to close?? Anything now will be just pure punishment.

356323 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sam Vimes, 11, #1295 of 2159 🔗

Suggest they ban alcohol – that will result in mass uprising and bring this madness to a quick stop.

In the mean time the government is doing everything in its power to close all small businesses for good and destroy jobs and the economy.

356414 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Victoria, 3, #1296 of 2159 🔗

Perhaps Boris needs a quick chat with Andrew Cuomo: i.e. if they don’t open up businesses and the economy soon, there’ll be nothing left to open.

356427 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Victoria, 6, #1297 of 2159 🔗

Here they claim that alcohol is a necessity because if alcoholics are forced to quite cold turkey it would be a health disaster. Oh, and the province controls alcohol sales through its own stores and collects a ton of tax revenue, so that might be another reason the government considers alcohol essential. But I do agree — there would be a true uprising if alcohol was banned.

356677 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1298 of 2159 🔗

Lisa, Just posted my comment and noticed yours. Fully agree with you.


356673 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Victoria, #1299 of 2159 🔗

That’ll cause more deaths. One of the BIG things about cutting out alcohol is to do it slowly. Cutting it out completely from a higher than average consumption (me) can result in seizures and death.

Still, what do they care?


356335 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #1300 of 2159 🔗

I think they would like outside mandatory face covering or maybe curfew.

356430 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #1301 of 2159 🔗

1) Mandatory masks everywhere with all exemptions scrapped
2) Only allowed out once per week
3) Heavier fines for lockdown infractions
4) Social distancing increased to 3 metres
5) Curfew 8.00pm to 6.00am

356469 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, #1302 of 2159 🔗

Sounds about right, that’s pretty much in line with what France and Spain had/have I think.

356436 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Sam Vimes, #1303 of 2159 🔗

Weekend coming need to drift in aprehension. Absoluetly must keep that tension of the unknown going.

Be like bat fink with wings of steel.

356321 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 2, #1304 of 2159 🔗


Great comparison can be made with the latest scare story from brazil and the glorious movie brazil, a dystopian satirical black comedy science fiction, by terry gilliam.

“Go anywhere, travel light, get in, get out, wherever there’s trouble, a man alone. Now they’ve got the whole country sectioned off. You can’t move without a form. Sam Lowry: Better still, send it to Buttle, after all it’s his cheque.”


La la la la!

Brazil (1985) Official Trailer – Jonathan Pryce, Terry Gilliam Movie HD – YouTube

356467 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to tony rattray, #1305 of 2159 🔗

Great film. Gilliam IIRC said he wanted to make a film which showed a corporatist rather than communist dystopia.

356326 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 6, #1306 of 2159 🔗

I’ve just looked at the case rates for my city and before lockdown 3 they were going down, now they going up after lockdown.If lockdown worked why is it going up it makes no sense if you believe lockdown reduces transmission. I believe herd immunity will kick in soon and gradually bring the numbers down after its destroyed my city. Lastly before lockdown 2 and 3 my city had one of the lowest rates in the county today we are the highest

356336 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Derek Toyne, 2, #1307 of 2159 🔗

I think it’s pretty clear lockdowns don’t help much, probably the opposite

As for your “rates” – rates of what? Official numbers in general don’t help a great deal in assessing what if any public health challenges we face, in fact the way things are counted seems designed to obscure the reality rather than clarify it

356519 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Julian, #1308 of 2159 🔗

On the 4th of January it was 463 per 100,000 today it is 670 per 100,000. So about 50% increase in the rates after lockdown,now none of us know how accurate these rates are but they show clearly lockdown don’t work.

356533 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #1309 of 2159 🔗

Oh, but they do! They prove that ‘cases’ still rise even in a lockdown, so we have to lockdown longer and harder…

356663 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1310 of 2159 🔗

I was on the phone today with someone I know who was making that very point. He’s a lovely chap but totally at odds with any point I tried to make whether it was the PCR tests, deaths (he kept going on about Covid deaths when I said the only true measure is total deaths because that figure can’t be misnterpreted) and just said I am flat out wrong and can’t see why I can’t see it.

The funny thing is that I continually ask myself ‘Am I wrong?’ and keep looking at the data and yet any self doubt appears totally lacking in other people.


356328 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 11, #1311 of 2159 🔗

Anyone who ever wondered on the validity of Full Fact need only take a look at their article on ‘Do you need to carry proof, that you are exempt from wearing a face mask’.

This gives weight to the idea that you will need to prove you are ‘medically’ exempt if stopped by the Met Police as explained by their spokesman. They (the police) will fine you first and then you will have to prove you are ‘medically’ exempt afterwards.

I have no words for the people at Full Fact who have contrived to put this ‘article’ of manipulation and falsehood together. And the Federation spokesman is actually suggesting his members break the law in their response to people not wearing a face covering while in stores.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty. All evidence of totalitarism and the authoritarian police state captured in one small article.


356331 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #1312 of 2159 🔗

Right – I’m off shopping.

356359 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #1313 of 2159 🔗

I used to know one of the head honchos at Full Fact. He’s an insufferable twat, and brother of fox killing arsehole Jolyon Maugham.

356394 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #1314 of 2159 🔗

“But the police union says officers may ask people for proof to enforce mask wearing laws.”

That;s fine – they may ask but there is NO obligation to provide any proof whatsoever. The guidelines (NOT law) state:

“If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:
·        you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
·        you do not need show an exemption card

This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering”.


356413 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to DavidC, 2, #1315 of 2159 🔗

I agree further below in the article he follows on to that (reasoning) with …

“Well we carry on the enforcement and it’s for them to prove. It’s very straightforward, you know we’ll say it’s absolutely fine, we’re going to carry on with the enforcement against you, him or she, but you have the power to prove that you are exempt, and then we won’t obviously proceed with it.”

So I agree with what you are saying but Marsh is ignoring that. He is saying that you will be fined regardless which if nothing else is an inconvenience and a waste of (supposedly scant) Police resources.

While that doesn’t bother me personally for the Police federation spokesman to making comments that are against the law in article designed to confuse and spread fear is extremely disengenous at best. At worst it is criminal. This not challenged by Full Fact or anyone else.

356620 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #1316 of 2159 🔗

Seansaighdeoir, absolutely. It is desigend to confuse and spread fear. I’ve got a lanyard (with today’s ‘Mask Exempt’ Lanyard picture above, on it) AND the Gov.uk link and text on the back of it. If I’m challenged I’ll show them the text and ask them to check the link themselves.


356510 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to DavidC, 1, #1317 of 2159 🔗

That’s right, DC, you can’t quote the LAW on challenging exemption, because it makes no mention of it at all.

356634 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1318 of 2159 🔗

Quite. And wearing one WILL, most definitely, cause me distress.

In addition to the listed exemptions, the guidance states ‘This [list] includes ( but is not limited to )’. I’m not suggesting anyone should make things up, but the very guidance is not specific.


356334 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 8, #1319 of 2159 🔗

How many times does the imbecile Ferguson have to be wrong before the numpty government put him out to pasture:

Lockdown rules may be needed until the AUTUMN | Daily Mail Online

He is not high on the vaccine list, so is now suggesting if you have had covid – like him – you are allowed out for your extracurricular, is that what is motivating him?

356347 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 15, #1320 of 2159 🔗

Lockdown in one form or another is here to stay indefinitely (until we make it stop). This is so obvious it’s laughable.

356361 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Richard O, 4, #1321 of 2159 🔗

On the upside he is stuck with the name “professor lockdown” indefinitely too.

356366 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan L, 5, #1322 of 2159 🔗

My name for him is shorter and a bit more punchy.

356382 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Richard O, 2, #1323 of 2159 🔗

what ? abbreviate it to p lock

356393 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Dan L, 5, #1324 of 2159 🔗

I wish he was stuck without a job, a pension, a nice house and the whole establishment queuing up to service his woodwind section.

356431 ▶▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to Dan L, 1, #1325 of 2159 🔗

Along with pantsdown.

356452 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 1, #1326 of 2159 🔗

Agreed. The job of government now is to continue indefinite lockdowns whilst giving the illusion to the people that somehow it’s all temporary. This, I think, is why there was wavering this week about whether to put stronger measures in place – I think the cabinet may be divided about exactly how best to boil the frog.

356505 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Richard O, #1327 of 2159 🔗

Yep. Next three years until the general election. That will be cancelled, due to ‘the emergency’ and then they will introduce their ‘ten year recovery plan’.

356352 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 6, #1328 of 2159 🔗

But Fergie is always wrong in the right direction.

That’s what really matters.

356457 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1329 of 2159 🔗

Have you noticed that lockdown rules are always ‘needed’ at least three months into the future, and usually six months or more?

356463 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #1330 of 2159 🔗

What motivates him?

To be proved right, and to stay important

356508 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Julian, 1, #1331 of 2159 🔗

Funding bandwagons and ‘religious’ zealotry do not make good bedfellows. I would not wish to offend anyone with a deep faith, but having been brought up in a Catholic environment when the iron rod of the Catholic church was waning, I was struck (actually disturbed) by the details emerging from the mother and baby homes in Ireland. I have observed first hand the relationship between nuns and priests, and some of the things that happened in my father’s era do not bear thinking about for their cruelty. Make no mistake though, what happened in Ireland was both zealotry and money-making combined into one nasty regime. What I observe in the covid/lockdown zealotry is a parallel.

356340 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 12, #1332 of 2159 🔗

The revolution starts tomorrow in Italy apparently:


356368 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Basileus, 8, #1333 of 2159 🔗


356389 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Basileus, 9, #1334 of 2159 🔗

Note to Starmer, Fraser and whoever the Tory leader in Wales is.

This is a thing called AN OPPOSITION MP.

356407 ▶▶ mj, replying to Basileus, 6, #1335 of 2159 🔗

passionate speech – and making the case that most of the thousands of covid “deaths” were due to underlying causes..
now where have i heard that before???

356446 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Basileus, 5, #1336 of 2159 🔗

This is about the only thing I am looking forward to in the foreseeable future. I really hope it doesn’t fizzle out, but spreads to the whole country and beyond.

God save Italy and the Italian people.

356451 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Basileus, 1, #1337 of 2159 🔗

Best of luck to them. We need to follow suit here in England

356824 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Janette, #1338 of 2159 🔗

Agreed, but I think the time is not yet right in England. Italians are a highly sociable lot, and cafes/restaurants are for many of them an extension of their own living rooms. Stopping them from going to a restaurant is like stopping a Brit from watching telly or digging the garden.

356346 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 12, #1339 of 2159 🔗

Not getting my hopes up – incapable of that now. But interesting info in the Sun about reported comms from Steve Baker to other MPs

“There is no reason to think there will be any real resistance in Cabinet to the argument for greater and longer and more draconian restrictions on the public.“This could be a disaster. Nothing seems more certain to break the public than giving hope before taking it away, and doing it repeatedly.”
And he signs off with a barely concealed warning shot: “I am sorry to be blunt but if we do not act now, events will become inevitable. For the good of the country please contact the Chief Whip.”

356350 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1340 of 2159 🔗

MPs are useless.

They are not our representatives to them.

They are their representatives to us.

They function as shock absorbers.

356459 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, #1341 of 2159 🔗

They have been pretty useless but they enable govt to do what it is doing

So any pressure on them and any of them who push in the right direction is a help

Not many other options other than mass civil disobedience – but you need a mass for that, or hope someone helps us with a few million for a media campaign, or armed insurrection (but would think you need broader support for that to work than we have)

356362 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Charlie Blue, 15, #1342 of 2159 🔗

Baker is right, though. The government has shown no inclination whatsoever to stand up in any way to the sociopathic academics on a power trip, whose own livelihoods will never be threatened, who are effectively bossing them around.

356375 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mattghg, 8, #1343 of 2159 🔗

He’s absolutely right. But will his fellow Conservatives heed him – seems like the runaway train will just plough on regardless, based on their record of grumbling a bit before falling into line.

356437 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1344 of 2159 🔗

What’s interesting is Baker is demanding the ‘lockdown to save the NHS’ strategy is not used again next winter – so it’s obviously something that HAS been discussed, not just overwrought imaginations on sites like this. If we ever do get out of this, we need to push hard for constitutional changes to prevent future lockdowns.

356450 ▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cranmer, #1345 of 2159 🔗

Chris Whitty has already broached the subject .

356348 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 7, #1346 of 2159 🔗

Chinese trade surplus hits all-time high on the back of Covid recovery boom:


All part of the CCP plan, which is working to perfection.

356355 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1347 of 2159 🔗


what do they do with that surplus?

anyone pretending that the CCP is responsible for our predicament is guilty of misdirection.

356372 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, 2, #1348 of 2159 🔗

Reinforce a positive feedback loop by investing it in known effective political and economic warfare techniques.

356380 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1349 of 2159 🔗

China bought US treasury bonds on a net basis until 2013 – supporting the dollar-centric system – and financing the US budget deficit.

Since then, they have invested in New Silk Road Infrastructure – and gold.

That is what is pissing the West off, and why we have been seeing so much anti China rhetoric the last couple of years.

356419 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, 1, #1350 of 2159 🔗


The other advantage of the Belt and Road Initiative is that it supplies alternative trade routes to the ones that would be disrupted by any large-scale conflict in the South China Sea/Western Pacific.

356441 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to rockoman, -1, #1351 of 2159 🔗

There are plenty of other people queuing up to buy US Treasuries I can assure you. And as the 10-year yield goes above 1% they start to attract more capital.

356379 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to rockoman, 5, #1352 of 2159 🔗

loan it to third world countries under the belt and road scheme and put them in a debt situation so they can be treated like a Belgian colony and pilfered

356387 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to mj, -1, #1353 of 2159 🔗

What – you mean like the West did – with its economic hitmen?

356410 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to rockoman, 1, #1354 of 2159 🔗

not denying that the west have been exploitative in the past , but this was just amateurish compared to the chinese

356418 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to mj, #1355 of 2159 🔗


356423 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to mj, #1356 of 2159 🔗

From my travels in the Third World it seems to me they are better off with Chinese investment.

The following is about the book: “Confessions of an Economic Hitman”

“The book provides Perkins’ account of his career with engineering consulting firm Chas. T. Main in Boston. According to Perkins, his job at the firm was to convince leaders of underdeveloped countries to accept substantial development loans for large construction and engineering projects. Ensuring that these projects were contracted to U.S. companies, such loans provided political influence for the US and access to natural resources for American companies, [1] :15, 239 thus primarily helping rich families and local elites, rather than the poor. According to Perkins, he began writing Confessions of an Economic Hit Man in the 1980s, but “threats or bribes always convinced [him] to stop.”

From wiki

356730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to rockoman, #1357 of 2159 🔗

Excellent book. Serialised in Nexus magazine.

356453 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 1, #1358 of 2159 🔗

Not responsible – that’s our govt and media and institutions and dozy people for not fighting back

But have the CCP played with a straight bat, or tried to use the situation to their advantage?

356567 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to rockoman, #1359 of 2159 🔗

‘Responsible’ may or may not be an overstate.
But complicity is pretty well undeniable.

356360 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 7, #1360 of 2159 🔗

Not related to Covid and the pandemic, but a meme from 2017 predicting the current state of affairs in the U.S. and much of the West: ” America’s Far Left future”

356376 ▶▶ jos, replying to LMS2, 4, #1361 of 2159 🔗

It definitely is related to covid

356383 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to LMS2, 8, #1362 of 2159 🔗

JoePedo is anything but left wing
He’s an old school racist kKk Democrat
and a nonce

356417 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #1363 of 2159 🔗

One sure way to wind up Brits who think the Dems are cuddly, is to point out that the USA’s entry to both world wars, Korea and Vietnam all happened under Democrat presidents.

356460 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1364 of 2159 🔗

Yup. & a Democrat Robert Byrd attempted to block passage of the civil rights act in the 1960’s, before it was passed by Republicans. There is a statue of him in the Virginia State legislature, which protestors left totally untouched during their attacks on various monuments last year. They probably just forgot, of course. When he died the Senator was eulogized by Pres Obama.

356820 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1365 of 2159 🔗

Plus Mr Trump’s infamous ‘wall’ was actually started by Bill Clinton in the 90s, and Hillary voted to continue its construction a few years later.

356428 ▶▶ Basics, replying to LMS2, 1, #1366 of 2159 🔗

Isn’t that a lot of purple!

356367 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 4, #1367 of 2159 🔗

The expected anodyne response from the BBC to my my complaint about ‘blood on your hands’ Montgomery:
” Thank you for contacting us about 5 Live Breakfast broadcast on December 31.

We were sorry to learn of your disappointment with our coverage featuring Prof Hugh Montgomery especially as it would never be our intention to mislead or offend our audience.

We appreciate that many aspects of our coverage includes information which is distressing but we have a responsibility to accurately reflect the reality of the situation.

Prof Hugh Montgomery stated that those who do not follow the guidance and social distance are responsible and ‘have blood on their hands’. Throughout our news coverage, we have reported extensively on those who are exempt from wearing masks. Although, our aim here is simply to provide enough information for readers to make up their own minds.

We would also emphasise that the views and comments made by guests are their own and not attributable to the BBC.

Please be assured aim for accuracy, fairness and impartiality in our reports, however, we appreciate you feel we missed the mark on this occasion.

We can assure you that the 5 Live Breakfast team as well as BBC senior management and producers have been made aware of your complaint as they take a keen interest in what our audience are saying and use a lot of the feedback to help shape future output.”

I did at least enjoy completing their customer assessment questionnaire!

356374 ▶▶ mj, replying to BTLnewbie, 10, #1368 of 2159 🔗

“but we have a responsibility to accurately reflect the reality of the situation”.
ha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

356369 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 21, #1369 of 2159 🔗

I’ve been following the threads below about being challenged about mask wearing in supermarkets and then being asked to produce an exemption certificate.

After months of the guidelines being published and still being in this hole, I’m struggling to understand how can these fuckwits still not read and understand the rules?

356378 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 14, #1370 of 2159 🔗

Because they don’t want to
We are seen as subhuman for killing grandma

356385 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1371 of 2159 🔗

Interesting update on the vaccine programme in Israel. Reinforces the need for two shots as prescribed by Pfizer. In the meantime, infections are sky high and strict lockdowns continue.



  • the vaccine is only expected to reach full protection potential a week after the administration of the second dose of the vaccine, which began in Israel this week. The second dose is expected to bring immunity levels to some 95% after about a week.
  • one-fifth of over 1,000 current serious COVID-19 patients had previously received the first dose of Pfizer’s vaccine — stressing the need to continue to protect oneself after receiving the shot.
  • Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday held a ceremonial event celebrating the 2,000,000th vaccinee.
356405 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to godowneasy, #1372 of 2159 🔗

So, does that make them Kosher?

356406 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1373 of 2159 🔗

Oy vey!

356447 ▶▶ Julian, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1374 of 2159 🔗

Once they have vaccinated everyone and “infections” are still “sky-high” what will they do?

356449 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, 3, #1375 of 2159 🔗

Find a new variant.

356534 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to rockoman, #1376 of 2159 🔗

By that time those who have had the vaccine will be coming down with Covid and god knows what else so hey ho another reason to lock us all up!

356471 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, 5, #1377 of 2159 🔗

Fauci and who have begun a process of limited hangout of the pcr fraud they have been running. One possible outcome is that eliminating the false positives in batches or steps can create Biden as working a miracle. This is plausible because of the scale of fraud clearly in operation in the US. However such a senario would hang out to dry other countries who must eliminate false positives at a similar rate of decline.

356466 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1378 of 2159 🔗

…Ichilov Hospital coronavirus ward nurse Yair Rosenhaft, annexed to the nursing home where he previously worked, told Arutz Sheva that the institution had maintained zero infections among the residents for the ten months of COVID outbreak restrictions. About two weeks ago, the nursing home began vaccinating residents for COVID-19.
After about thirty residents tested COVID-19 positive, Rosenhaft was contacted by the nursing home and asked to return to help with the “crisis”. One of the residents who was evacuated to Internal COVID Ward C at Meir Kfar Saba Hospital, Natalyo Bendelman, has died, his daughter confirmed to Arutz Sheva….”

From “Not on the Beeb” FB feed. Isrealnationalnews.com

356468 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1379 of 2159 🔗

We should get some efficacy data out of Israel pretty soon then!

356559 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1380 of 2159 🔗

I’ve heard two accounts from individuals, who both received Pfizer as dose 1, and both have been told they will not get Pfizer as Dose 2, and that their second shot will be delayed.
Methinks this may be widespread.
Just maybe the Pfizer has been pulled..?
And I’m thinking to myself that everyone will get one shot of an mRNA, and one AZN.

356941 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to godowneasy, #1381 of 2159 🔗

Sweden has not followed ther route in the UK with postponing the second shot of Pfizer. They already have had C-19 outbreak in nursinghomes after the first shot.They state only 40% protection after the first shot. Obviously the public healt experts Hancock and Blair are more confident in the protection of one shot in the UK.

356400 bebophaircut, 3, #1382 of 2159 🔗

Mario Puzo’s Godfather’s sphere of influence versus the power of the Global gangster’s network. David versus Goliath.

356412 Alan P, replying to Alan P, 1, #1383 of 2159 🔗

Anyone know if person who goes into hospital suspecting Covid symptoms, but is later tested and found negative, told to push off home, gets counted as an admission?

Keep seeing numbers of people admitted but not seen any commensurate discharge numbers.

356443 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Alan P, 4, #1384 of 2159 🔗

Discharge numbers don’t suit the narrative

356494 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Alan P, 1, #1385 of 2159 🔗

So that’s why they are ‘overwhelmed’. Now I believe…

356421 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #1386 of 2159 🔗

Zoe update

continuation of before – latest R is just less than 0.8

current UK daily symptomatic infections (inferred from self reported app users) = 53,528 down 8% from yesterday and 23% from the peak

drop in R indistinguishable in this wave than in wave 1 (both dropped from 1.4 to 1 in 17 days)

356424 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #1387 of 2159 🔗


356489 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #1388 of 2159 🔗

I expect from the government data

‘cases’ to peak on 7th (same as Zoe app)

hospital admissions to peak on 12th (reflecting overall infection levels in society)

‘covid patients in hospital’ and ‘deaths’ to peak later because whether they are
covid or not depends on the level in society over the last 28 days – not today

government data is all bollocks

356422 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1389 of 2159 🔗

France curfew now 6pm to 6am for whole country.

Worth noticing how it is policed.

Five Eyes plus a few tag along EU countries seem to be oppressing hardest.

356429 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Basics, 8, #1390 of 2159 🔗

Yes – the most heavily indebted countries, with welfare systems which are unaffordable, especially given forthcoming boomer retirements.

Getting controls in place for the financial reset.

These countries, as you say, are also those most tied into the US-NATO-5Eyes umbrella.

356440 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, 6, #1391 of 2159 🔗

Algeria is doing something similar.

Their PCR case numbers aren’t that high, but Covid gives them the perfect cover to keep economic and political protesters at home rather than in the streets.

356448 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to awildgoose, 7, #1392 of 2159 🔗

Yes, any government with a pesky political protest movement has benefitted.

I think there is still a pattern here though.

356731 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, #1393 of 2159 🔗

Oh sure.

I agree that governments trying to cut unfunded and underfunded liabilities is also at play.

356536 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Basics, 5, #1394 of 2159 🔗

Except in places where riots and looting are convenient, and then blamed on the country’s leader…No guesses for who I’m talking about.

356434 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1395 of 2159 🔗

Looks like the servers from one of the vaccine manufacturers has been hacked as I’ve been sent this document:


It’s about this:

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BioNTech
BNT162b2, 5’capped mRNA encoding full length SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein

Interesting reading, I understand the follwoing statement to mean that these ingredients are NOT certified for use in a vaccine:

All excipients except the functional lipids ALC-0315 and ALC-0159 and the structural lipid DSPC comply to Ph. Eur. grade. The functional lipid excipients ALC-0315 and ALC-0159 are classified as novel excipients. Both structural lipids DSPC and cholesterol are used in several already approved drug products. DSPC is used in several products approved in the EU (Marqibo, Doxil, Ambisome, Onpattro), though not by the same route of administration. Further justification that DSPC is not a novel excipient is requested.


ALC-0315 and ALC-0159 are novel excipients, not previously used in an approved drug product within EU.

356438 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1396 of 2159 🔗

And this as well:

Novel excipients

Two novel excipients are included in the drug product, the cationic lipid ALC-0315 the PEGylated lipid ALC-0159. No final conclusion can be drawn until all data are provided. Some questions with regards to batch size and validation of analytical methods are raised at this point. Additional information on chemical synthesis, quality control of starting material, specification limits and retest period will be provided for assessment during the procedure.

356444 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1397 of 2159 🔗

Great find. No one cares, they are queuing up for this shit in their millions worldwide.

357191 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, #1398 of 2159 🔗

Not by the same route of administration!

356435 awildgoose, 4, #1399 of 2159 🔗

Inventor of PCR agreeing with my contention yesterday that it’s just a process to brew up a bunch of gunk:


Where do I pick up my Nobel?

356439 mj, replying to mj, 6, #1400 of 2159 🔗

just listening to Mark Dolan interviewing tv doctor Ellie Cannon.. What a hypocrite – everyone else’s fault .. nothing to do with her scaremongering for the last 6 months.

356578 ▶▶ l835, replying to mj, 7, #1401 of 2159 🔗

I’m thankful she’s not treated me, as she said the NHS has become the national covid service out of necessity. After all she said, there’s no point treating someone’s bowl cancer if they’re going to get covid. I rather my cancer was treated and I’ll take my chance with the virus thanks.

356461 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 10, #1402 of 2159 🔗


So the Bergamo, Italy deaths were staged

356502 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1403 of 2159 🔗

I wonder where they got that idea?

Maybe the vids of randos dropping dead on the streets of Wuhan?

356532 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Andrew K, 6, #1404 of 2159 🔗

Which is another reason why none of this has made sense.
Hundreds and hundreds of people infected and dropping dead…except where they’re not.

Around 40% of the U.S. death toll initially was in nursing homes, mainly as a direct result of governors mandating that the nursing homes had to take potentially (and actually) infected elderly patients from hospitals, under threat of closure if they didn’t.
Democrat governors, btw, e.g. Andrew Cuomo, Gretchen Whitmer…

356464 Colin, replying to Colin, 4, #1405 of 2159 🔗

Scare tactics journalism reaches new heights here: if you go shopping you will die, we will all die and it will be your fault:

356477 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Colin, 3, #1406 of 2159 🔗

Vox is not worth even looking at. It’s trash propaganda.

356482 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to LMS2, 2, #1407 of 2159 🔗

Agreed, written by ten year olds.

356538 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to LMS2, #1408 of 2159 🔗

There affiliation with that toss pot Carlos maza is enough reason for me not to listen to them.

356465 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #1409 of 2159 🔗

Just to keep up the “no underlying health issues & fit & healthy” scaremongering,

Some woman got it.


356478 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 10, #1410 of 2159 🔗

Woman gets ill, recovers. Read all abaaahht it…

356483 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 12, #1411 of 2159 🔗

My mum, who’s 86 with underlying conditions and who’s tested positive is fine. I guess that’s not newsworthy but it should be, to put things into perspective.

356484 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 6, #1412 of 2159 🔗

She looks in top nick!

356611 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 6, #1413 of 2159 🔗

She’s over 50 (53 in fact) but relatively young. Previously fit and healthy (at least to common standards) but goes down with a sudden and severe bout of covid. At 53 she was in the new cohort for flu vaccinations in the summer.

My question: has she had a flu vaccination?

356474 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 8, #1414 of 2159 🔗

Alex Berenson: From a personal trainer in Illinois (I sense people are almost uniquely willing to be honest with their personal trainers):

“I’m watching kids AND adults fall apart around me… the sheer number of kids failing academically, depressed, or simply despondent is staggering.”

See the attached letter in that tweet.

356537 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to LMS2, 3, #1415 of 2159 🔗

And without fail, the ones struggling the most are the ones adhering to the insane Covid protocols best.

356711 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, 1, #1416 of 2159 🔗

Too cruel to suggest Darwinism … ?

356476 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 34, #1417 of 2159 🔗

Had some interesting chats today:

  1. delivering at a GPs carrying heavy boxes the receptionist asked me to take them through the back as she couldn’t carry them. I asked where and she said “the vaccine room” and someone else came with me to open the doors. I asked “are you sure you want me back there, it may be busy”. The answer “no it’s not, no-one coming to get the jab, all quiet”.
  2. Same place, in the vaccine room. 4 fridges in there marked up as vaccine storage both Pfizer and the other one but 2 fridges were bog standard food fridges. I said “lots of vaccines then” and the answer was “yes, but we’re not using them and they are going as almost no-one coming to get it”.
  3. another GPs, they asked “are these LFTs?”. I said “yes they are the good ones that don’t give all the false positives”. Smart arse with a smirk on her fece said “where did you hear that, you don’t want to believe everything you read on the internet”. My answer – “it as from a FOI answer from the DHSC that had a link to the document that stated this”. All goes quite, I say “have a good day” and leave.
  4. another GPs, so busy they shut at 1pm today and don’t reopen until Monday so no delivery to them of the LFTs they seem so desperate for.
  5. Trying to get the son to send me a screenshot of a facebook post that keeps getting deleted and him and his friends keep reposting apparently from a nurse in one of the mass vaccination centres showing an official tally that shows they only vaccinated 6000 people at that centre (averaging 4 per minute 24 hrs/day), claims the other 6 are doing about the same so how does 7 x 6000 equal 250000?
356535 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1418 of 2159 🔗

Thanks for the this awkward. I didn’t realise you were on the front line to some extent. That third point was a beauty!

356646 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #1419 of 2159 🔗

Not my real job but need to do something to:

  1. until my real job kicks off again
  2. stop Mrs Awkward from killing and/or divorcing me
  3. keeps the brain working
  4. tops up Mrs Awkward’s disability pension as we don’t qualify for anything else
  5. gets me out and about
356854 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1420 of 2159 🔗

That’s good to hear. Every penny counts and if it helps keep your sanity even better!

356541 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #1421 of 2159 🔗

well done AG! I think any medic should be wary of saying “ you don’t want to believe everything you read on the internet” to you of all people! 🙂
So no queues round the block for the vaxx in your end of the woods then – very interesting!

356640 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to penelope pitstop, 8, #1422 of 2159 🔗

Every vaccination centre I’ve been past or seen in the past week or so since they started springing up have been empty.

Some don’t even have staff – fully signposted, tented, equipped etc but no staff anywhere.

356861 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1423 of 2159 🔗

A bit like the testing centres then. Lets see if the numbers that follow are just as baffling.

356557 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1424 of 2159 🔗

Thanks Mr Git I like these ‘undercover’ reports, please keep them coming.

356655 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1425 of 2159 🔗

Thank you AG, very interesting to read

356914 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1426 of 2159 🔗

“With a smirk on her face” Not masked then. Progress , baby steps , but progress it seems.

356479 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 6, #1427 of 2159 🔗

Earlier someone shared a bitchute video of a nurse having uncontrollable shaking after Pfizer vaccine.
Not on the Beeb on FB shared a video of a woman with the same condition after Moderna vaccine.

356520 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Silke David, 2, #1428 of 2159 🔗

Yes I saw that and if genuine very horrific

356545 ▶▶ eptwll, replying to Silke David, 3, #1429 of 2159 🔗

I only glanced at this, so maybe take with a grain of salt? String of allergic reactions to the Moderna in San Diego: https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/vaccination-super-station-near-petco-park-abruptly-closes/2495604/

356798 ▶▶ Scotswifie, replying to Silke David, #1430 of 2159 🔗

If it’s someone coming out a bathroom I don’t think it’s genuine, when I checked it on the link it referred to 5G.

356892 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Scotswifie, #1431 of 2159 🔗

It would be, for me, great relief to hear that it’s not genuine. It was probably the most horrific things I’ve seen for a long time.

356480 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 22, #1432 of 2159 🔗

Before reading lockdown sceptics I was unaware of Neil Ferguson’s role in the (appalling) response to foot and mouth. I found this article which I think has some relevance to what’s happening today.

“Mass culling for foot-and-mouth ‘may be unnecessary'”

The reason for the mass cull was thought necessary was because it was thought that there was asymptomatic transmission of foot and month whereas in fact there isn’t. This means that isolation of the infected is all that is needed to control an outbreak. Could in effect the same mistake be being made with COVID-19?

No surprise really but I notice in the article that Neil Ferguson (professor lockdown) still said the mass slaughter was the right thing to do (perhaps professor mass slaughter would be a more appropriate name).

356496 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan L, 11, #1433 of 2159 🔗

Oh yes, Dan – he has a long and bloody track record.

The Imperial model has been behind a lot of slaughter.

356503 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 12, #1434 of 2159 🔗

I think this one is the peak of his career – he will never top 15 million qalys lost in the UK or 435 million people out of work worldwide or 115 million extra people in danger of starving to death. This is the sort of stuff he’s been dreaming about for years. After this – what’s 11 million cows between friends?

356499 ▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Dan L, 1, #1435 of 2159 🔗

You cannot make up the stuff these evil people are up to.

Note the number on the end of the link, coincidence?

356544 ▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to DoubtingDave, 1, #1436 of 2159 🔗

The earliest reference to the “number of the beast” gives it as 616. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast

356556 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to StevieH, 4, #1437 of 2159 🔗

618 the neighbour of the beast.

356529 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Dan L, 6, #1438 of 2159 🔗

I fear that widespread livestock culling is on the agenda for later this year, obviously based on entirely spurious grounds.
There are already reports of Defra going around gassing farmyard hens, on the basis of a nearby outbreak of some type of avian flu.

356546 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Dan L, 7, #1439 of 2159 🔗

Yes, and the strategy would have led to every single cloven hoofed animal being killed. It was only when the senior vets went to government, and groups of farmers got lawyered up, that the Blair government backed off. It was Ferguson’s modelling, and Sir David King as CSA that were behind the strategy.

357180 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #1440 of 2159 🔗

It led to many small farmers going out of business and their farms were swallowed up by Big Ag.

356607 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dan L, 2, #1441 of 2159 🔗

Quite. Destroying infected herds is the tried n tested way of dealing with Foot and Mouth. Not every animal on the country.

356629 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1442 of 2159 🔗

Fat Finger Ferguson

356701 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, #1443 of 2159 🔗

Giving them borax and leaving them alone works even better.

A huge part of the F&M scandal was the way an insignificant disease was blown out of all proportion. They were likely gaming us at the time.

356622 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Dan L, 1, #1444 of 2159 🔗

His CJD prediction was 50 to 50,000 dead. Actual number was 177. You might say that’s good until you understand his prediction is the same as: it will rain between 3 days and 3000 days in the next 10 years (3652 days). Not exactly top quality.

356662 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to mhcp, 2, #1445 of 2159 🔗

Yes I remember being quite worried about CJD for a while probably no doubt due to the high end of those predictions being reported in the news.