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357338 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 53, #1 of 2133 🔗

Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights

Article 6 – Consent

3. In appropriate cases of research carried out on a group of persons or a community, additional agreement of the legal representatives of the group or community concerned may be sought. In no case should a collective community agreement or the consent of a community leader or other authority substitute for an individual’s informed consent.

357339 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 66, #2 of 2133 🔗

I’d call lockdowns experimental medical intervention & I don’t consent!

357340 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 21, #3 of 2133 🔗

Neither do I

359545 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, #4 of 2133 🔗

Me neither.

357382 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #5 of 2133 🔗

Ditto. I Do Not Consent.

357586 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #6 of 2133 🔗

I do not consent.

358723 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Burlington, 2, #7 of 2133 🔗

I can’t imagine many people on here who do!

357622 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Anti_socialist, 29, #8 of 2133 🔗

The experimental stages led up to this, and we’re now well and truly into the administration of Agenda 21-30, the Great Reset. Eventually, even those sceptics on here who are still scared of labels will come to terms with this – sooner the better because time is being wasted.

357939 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to J4mes, 28, #9 of 2133 🔗

Wholeheartedly agree J4mes. I originally dismissed the WEF’s Great Reset and Fourth Industrial Revolution plans as a conspiracy theory – until I saw a white paper on the government website where it clearly states the UK government has formed a partnership with the WEF. Then I spent more than a day trawling through as much of the content of the WEF website as I could manage. What I found there – in plain sight, was absolutely chilling and I couldn’t believe what is being planned for us all (a lot of which is hidden under what on the surface sounds like laudable and even altruistic reasoning, but beneath that the reality of what many of the plans will actually mean – or lead to in practice is appalling and horrifying – total slavery for 99% of the world’s population.

358247 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to ShropshireLass, 13, #10 of 2133 🔗

Young people need to wake up to this. It is not about ensuring their future (or the planet’s — and I say that as a lifelong committed environmentalist.)

358965 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #11 of 2133 🔗

Engage the zombies on social media and fight off the SS (77th brigade). We need to keep hammering away.

Also leaflets, stickers, pamphlets.

357849 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #12 of 2133 🔗

I do not consent either.

358271 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #13 of 2133 🔗

I Do Not Consent.

358489 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #14 of 2133 🔗

I do not consent.

357345 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #15 of 2133 🔗

I dissent.

357350 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 67, #16 of 2133 🔗

I don’t think there’s much point in invoking human rights conventions. Our most basic human rights, guaranteed in umpteen international and national declarations, conventions, laws etc, have been trampled on for months and no human rights pundit seems to care in the slightest. Nor, of course, do the zombies.

357363 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to Annie, 16, #17 of 2133 🔗

Human Rights Act not worth the paper it’s printed on, it has get out of jail cards that make it worthless. The Conservatives have a plan to abolish the present (1997) legislation.

357436 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to cloud6, 6, #18 of 2133 🔗

Human Rights Act is an EU construct, so yes, it needs to go. A more robust use of the Bill of Rights (Petition of Right in Scotland) is required.

357664 ▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #19 of 2133 🔗

The European Convention of Human Rights was produced by the Council of Europe, a separate body and predating the EEC and the EU. All European countries belong to it. If you look back to find who wrote the ECHR you find names of Tory lawyers, close colleagues of a man called … what’s his name … ah, Churchill.

357693 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #20 of 2133 🔗

There is no chance of any of the UK governments introducing more robust human rights legislation. You’d be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We hold on to what we have got, there is no chance of anything better.

359420 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rowan, 1, #21 of 2133 🔗

… there is no chance of anything better.

Nah. Poor example for our descendants.

As more and more folk return to normal, Gollum will stumble, rumours of Aslan’s return will spread, Gryffindor will win the qidditch cup, Liverpool will retain the Premier League title, and Lucky Jack Aubrey will sail into port with more prizes than you could shake a stick at.

357367 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 15, #22 of 2133 🔗

WTF! So we should just abandon international law because our current government ignores our human rights, should we?

There’s one reason only why people are currently ignoring human rights violations, the liberal leftists who assert health is a right to overrule all others.

Which is clearly ludicrous because good health isn’t gift anyone can assure or guarantee.

357608 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #23 of 2133 🔗

Well it either needs to be heavily amended or replaced as it is currently not fit for purpose.

358495 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #24 of 2133 🔗

It seems that we can be locked up indefinitely, fined and abused by police for soing orfinary, normal things, but anyone can wander into the country and get four star treatment.

358580 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #25 of 2133 🔗

Right on! Quebec just imposed another lockdown/curfew a few days ago. No one allowed out and about after 8 P.M. And PM Trudeau is mulling over having another Federal election just 15 months after the last one. They’re going for the kill.

357378 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Annie, 13, #26 of 2133 🔗

The zombies don’t care because they have been brainwashed. Surely this is also against human rights?

357916 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Van Allen, 9, #27 of 2133 🔗

Exactly. It’s important to remind ourselves routinely that our friends and family have been thoroughly brainwashed through threat of death.

I quit Facebook a few days ago. The last action I took was to report a W.H.O. post about Covid19 as terrorism.

357439 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Annie, 7, #28 of 2133 🔗

We’ll be invoking human rights conventions when the Corona Trials are underway!

358004 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 12, #29 of 2133 🔗

The UN Convention says it’s a human right that you must be allowed to leave your home country. And China is among the member states currently policing this principle.

The UN has been a joke for at least thirty years. The other organs of the old post-war order are the same. Trump was right that they needed to be ditched.

358571 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, 2, #30 of 2133 🔗

If you read the U.N.’s Declaration on Human Rights you will notice that it is, on the whole, vague, wishwashy and subject to interpretations that could go either way.

357433 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #31 of 2133 🔗

I do not consent to ANY non-pharmaceutical intervention and will view evidence before deciding on any pharmaceutical remedies.

357521 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Anti_socialist, 25, #32 of 2133 🔗

The sleight of hand is wicked. It is NOT a vaccine, it’s a biologic agent given approval for experimental use, akin to being offered an experimental cancer treatment, when severely ill. And people are NOT being informed of this very simple fact. Hence the exemption from liability for the pharmaceutical companies

357698 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jinks, 19, #33 of 2133 🔗

It is actually more like being given an experimental cancer drug, when you don’t have cancer.

357590 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #34 of 2133 🔗

I’m not a happy bunny

357703 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #35 of 2133 🔗

No reason to be.

357717 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #36 of 2133 🔗

I do not consent

359209 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #37 of 2133 🔗

That’s a good banner line for our first mass protest: I DO NOT CONSENT.

357917 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #38 of 2133 🔗

Do you have a link to the actual document, please?

358121 ▶▶▶ Paddy, replying to ShropshireLass, 2, #39 of 2133 🔗

It’s available at UNESCO.org
under the title, “Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights”: 19 October 2005


357341 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 54, #40 of 2133 🔗

It might help if the odd journalist started reporting the truth. 1538 deaths on Wednesday is a lie. This is the scam that allowed this rancid government to carry this shit through the summer and lead to what we have now.

There is no reason why Bunter can’t start lifting some restrictions on Feb 1st in rural areas as the seasonal peak fades weeks into the past. Ring Ron DeSANCTIS in Florida not wannabee celebrity Van Tam to see how it is done.

357522 ▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to nottingham69, 19, #41 of 2133 🔗

There were 1600 deaths per day in UK in 2019. If there are 1,500 covid deaths, does that mean 3,000+ total. If that were the case, why is my local priest not conducting twice as many funerals? Anybody work in the funeral industry and able to say if trade has doubled???

357711 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 13, #42 of 2133 🔗

The bodies aren’t there and only the all cause death figures are of any use. This corrupt government will even try to fiddle those, even though it will be harder. Put nothing past them.

357807 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 6, #43 of 2133 🔗

I live opposite a funeral director, they are no more busy.
Just checked obituaries in our weekly paper, published today, average period death to funeral 3 weeks.
That is maybe a week more than usual, have seen it worse.

358334 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Silke David, 4, #44 of 2133 🔗

3 weeks not abnormal at this time of year.

358694 ▶▶▶▶ BMWman, replying to Silke David, #45 of 2133 🔗

This is high level satire, chapeau.

357342 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 56, #46 of 2133 🔗

At least LS today starts with a positive story but then describes Sherelle Jacobs’ writing as a ‘thoughtful piece’. This is wrong as she has swallowed the establishment line 98%. She talks about vaccines being a good thing – sceptics know this is rubbish. She also says there are so many Covid cases under 60 in ICUs; this is also rubbish as no-one knows how to test for Covid. Please LS, stop publishing people talking nonsense and telling us they are ‘worth reading in full’!

357347 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bungle, 14, #47 of 2133 🔗

Steve Baker also says the key to returning to normality is vaccination.

357421 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to karenovirus, 19, #48 of 2133 🔗

Steve Baker things the tories are beginning to lose support.. horse, door, bolted.

357426 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to chaos, 48, #49 of 2133 🔗

As a life long Tory they can fuck off will never vote for them again.

357523 ▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Jaguarpig, 33, #50 of 2133 🔗

As a Labour supporter I will never vote for them again. As they the opposition they suppose to act on our behalf especially when lockdown as a far more devastating effect on the working class.

357786 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Derek Toyne, 6, #51 of 2133 🔗

Its funny I have always thought that the left wing case against lockdown is very strong indeed and yet hardly any Lefties argue this. Any thought on why this is??

358106 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Boris Bullshit, 12, #52 of 2133 🔗

BB: Because lockdown is a method of population control.
Politics is less a Left-Right thing now, more liberal/conservative/populist vs elite/authoritarian dynamic. The latter is a sort of global /fascism being imposed on the greater populations from the top down.
The so-called right, i.e. Tories, Republicans, have conceded ground to the far left, so they’re fairly indistinguishable. The Left of past decades, who used to fight for civil liberties, human rights, etc, no longer do that. That fight has switched to the classic liberals and conservatives small c).
The far Left despises the working classes, as they’ve not risen up to fight off and overthrow their oppressors.
Those who do still believe in freedom of speech, individual liberties are now across the political spectrum, both the old left and right.

357616 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jaguarpig, 29, #53 of 2133 🔗

At this point I will vote for anyone who promises the death penalty for every sitting politician that voted for lockdown

357727 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Crystal Decanter, 18, #54 of 2133 🔗

Yes it has to be that way. If we escape this coup then we must never allow to happen again. An arrest warrant for Bill Gates should also be a high priority.

357685 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jaguarpig, 9, #55 of 2133 🔗

Agree. Never vote conservative or labour (collaborated by failing to oppose) again

357606 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 29, #56 of 2133 🔗

You had you’re chance Steve, muffed it. Do you remember, a couple of weeks ago, there was a debate about ending this prison sentence for healthy people you voted for this motion. How the fuck did you think that was going to get us away from lockdown? Did the nasty chuckle brothers frighten you with their big numbers? Ooh, never mind, don’t do any research into the data, just run and hide. I mean you must be really busy, er, doing your job?? You have thrown away our democracy and we are now run by advisors like sage and phe and the chuckle brothers. They are all now stars going on the bbc and doing radio. Just fuck off.

357796 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Spikedee1, 8, #57 of 2133 🔗

He is a pathetic ‘conservative in name only’.

357940 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #58 of 2133 🔗

This is Steve Baker as reported in The Telegraph in December:

A MPs rebellion could be “enormous” if lockdown doesn’t end in December, Steve Baker has said.
Mr Baker said that members of Government have made it clear to the whips that they would vote against a third lockdown.
It comes after Richard Drax, the Tory MP for South Dorset, said as many as 100 Conservative MPs are willing to rebel against extending the national lockdown after December 2.
Both Mr Drax and Mr Baker joined 53 Tories in defying the Prime Minister by failing to vote for the second nationwide Covid lockdown.


357716 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 11, #59 of 2133 🔗

Steve Baker is a treacherous prat.

357714 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bungle, 3, #60 of 2133 🔗

Toby’s establishment roots showing through again.

357343 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 116, #61 of 2133 🔗

Johnson’s leadership under threat?

Comrade Alexander Johns-un is not a leader! & everything about covid19 is a fraudulent lie.

  1. A test that measures nothing!
  2. Masks that cause more harm than good!
  3. Social distancing that is futile!
  4. Lockdowns where the r number begins to fall before or shortly after they begin!
  5. RTA deaths recorded as covid deaths!
  6. A vaccine that doesn’t prevent infection!
  7. A cabinet that has pissed away billions if not trillions of £’s & hasn’t increased hospital bed capacity by even a single bed!

Come on, what are you waiting for, get rid of the tiers of a clown & the clown.

357349 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #62 of 2133 🔗

Nice one M8 from a Socialist through and through, ‘for the many, not the few’.

357372 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, 35, #63 of 2133 🔗

There is only one reason i’m anti socialist, i’m anti authoritarian, the modern left are anti-freedom. I used to refer my political sympathies as libertarian socialist but covid was my vaccine against socialism. And i get more conservative (small c) the older i get, which i think is a natural evolution for most of us

357383 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Anti_socialist, 17, #64 of 2133 🔗

William Morris is unfortunately best remembered today for designing wallpaper, but he was a socialist idealist of the 19th century. His utopian novel “News From Nowhere” is worth a read. If only for the moment when the protagonist – waking up one morning and finding himself in a distant, socialist future, is being shown around London and discovers that the Houses of Parliament have been turned into a “dung market”. The protagonist challenges his guide to explain:

“What kind of a government have you? Has republicanism finally triumphed? or have you come to a mere dictatorship, which some persons in the nineteenth century used to prophesy as the ultimate outcome of democracy? Indeed, this last question does not seem so very unreasonable, since you have turned your Parliament House into a dung-market. Or where do you house your present Parliament?”

The old man answered my smile with a hearty laugh, and said: “Well, well, dung is not the worst kind of corruption; fertility may come of that, whereas mere dearth came from the other kind, of which those walls once held the great supporters. Now, dear guest, let me tell you that our present parliament would be hard to house in one place, because the whole people is our parliament.”

357387 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #65 of 2133 🔗

Love that book. Morris’s prose is much underrated. My favourite character is the dustman who wears cloth of gold. His friends think he’s bonkers, but as he’s a dustman you have to make allowances.

357621 ▶▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #66 of 2133 🔗

I fear that for many years our “Parliament ” has been a dung-market.
The people of this country are the mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed on the dung from the dung-market.

358075 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ paulm, replying to Burlington, 3, #67 of 2133 🔗

Led by an ex- fun guy

358667 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #68 of 2133 🔗

Kinda how I see things going if only Joe Public would snap the fuck out of this bollocks they’re currently treading water in.

357396 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #69 of 2133 🔗

similar to my journey. I wasn’t ever a self – described socialist libertarian though…more a freeish market liberal libertarian, with a respect for many labour types who wanted normal people to do well. Who cares for the working man or woman now in politics? Few.

357561 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 7, #70 of 2133 🔗

Woke has nothing to do with the real Left
As I keep[ pointing out to BLM freeks – there is nothing Woke in Marx+Engels
In fact, the Moors would be upset at some of the things they said about them

357477 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Anti_socialist, 58, #71 of 2133 🔗

Both my grandfathers were staunch Labour men. Both reached adulthood in the 1930’s (one began working in 1928, having left school at 14). Both had an active role in the Second World War and, thankfully, both returned home.

Their belief was that best health, best possible education, a welfare safety net to support those in need, social justice, decent housing and jobs for all would lead to a healthy and happy population. State ownership was not a problem because the State was their servant. They were also patriots, to both country and people.

In fine, they wanted the best for as many people as possible, wanted things to get better. They may or may not have been misguided, but their beliefs were shaped by their life experiences.

But what we see now – and not just from the Left, but also the Right – is pigs with snouts trapped in the trough. Our “public services” appear to believe they rule and not serve. Politicians are patriotic to themselves only, our health service is mediocre at best, our education system a shambles, welfare is apparently for the entire world at our expense, social justice is gone.

The modern Left appear to take the view it is best to have as many dependent people as possible, as they will form a captive vote, and also display an unpleasant authoritarian aroma. The modern Right appear to take the view that ordinary people are little more than a commodity, existing for their benefit only, and also display an unpleasant authoritarian aroma.

As a country, we have totally lost our way. Now the failings of our system have been laid bare, we have the opportunity to put things right. Yes, there will be mistakes along the way, but we can correct mistakes as long as we recognise them for what they are.

But we cannot continue as we are.

357659 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Nick Rose, 13, #72 of 2133 🔗

Well said. My dad was a labour supporter up till the say his union at Spittalfields market nearly lost them all their jobs going on strike. He was terrified we would lose our house as no money was coming in. He went cap in hand to the bank manager expecting a cuff round the ear. Instead he found an educated man who helped him stretch the mortgage a bit by freezing the payments for a couple of months. He was eternally grateful to this man who said as he was leaving, if you think the union guys have got your back, check out if they are all suffering. After returning to work he found the two union guys had been paid the whole time by the union! Never voted Labour again.
I think the problem to me is there does not appear to be any difference between the two parties. They both have pictures of “our Tony” on their bedroom wall. Not because of his achievements but because of his popularity? The Labour still appears to have a sudo far left with the momentum gang, but they seem to be unelectable, these “freedom loving” rebels have been invisible during this shitshow. They are okay with banning and enforcement action on freedom protests? How can this be? There does not appear to be a far right in the tory party. I am not a Corbyn fan but would we be in in a different situation with the good comrade in charge?

357728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #73 of 2133 🔗

Modern politicians seem to chase power for power’s sake. None of them – or very few of them – have any actual ideas, or even a clue! This seems to be a global problem, in democracies at least. Maybe why we’re at where we’re at?

357756 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #74 of 2133 🔗

Corbyn had to be neutralised and he was. Of course, he didn’t always help himself, but with treacherous Labour MPs, a bent media and Tony blair’s rich friends against him, Corbyn was always going to lose.

357836 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #75 of 2133 🔗

The problem with your grandfathers’ plans is that the State gets to decide what best health, best possible education, a welfare safety net to support those in need, social justice, decent housing and jobs for all means with the results we see around us.

358857 ▶▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #76 of 2133 🔗

Very compelling comment.
Ever thought of entering politics?

357755 ▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #77 of 2133 🔗

In the film A matter of life and death David Niven says he’s conservative by nature and labour by experience. I believe since covid everything as changed Boris is not Churchill he claims to be. The politicians are just inept and are to easily bamboozled into voting for the UK depise.

357375 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 44, #78 of 2133 🔗

You know you are in a coup when the one concrete thing the government could have done,strengthen the NHS in preparation for the ‘second wave ‘ which they were taking about almost immediately,they failed to do and they are never taken to task over this point.

359028 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #79 of 2133 🔗

They were today in the briefing and just barefaced lied

359066 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jos, 1, #80 of 2133 🔗

I actually heard a BBC journalist ask Johnson that question before drifting off to sleep.I wonder what the answer was

357427 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #81 of 2133 🔗


357344 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 87, #82 of 2133 🔗

It’s good to see Steve Baker speaking out again but the man is schizophrenic! He abstained from voting on the third lockdown when he should have been front, right and centre, beating his chest and crying out “NO MORE! ” from every corner of the Commons. I believe he’s playing a game. I don’t trust any of them, and here is why as Baker later tweeted:

“What this country needs is the complete success of
@BorisJohnson, with his excellent EU deal, a successful vaccination programme and a #Road2Recovery back to freedom. I am clear Boris is the only person to lead us out of these difficulties and I support him in that endeavour.”

So there we have it. Clearly mortified that his tinpot rebellion has been leaked to the Fat Dictator, he grovels to save his political career. Pathetic. The only route out of this is for life to get so miserable for so many that non-compliance becomes essential to survive – see the #IoApro movement in Italy for instance, where 50,000 restaurants are set to open simultaneously from today in a direct challenge to government restrictions. Best of luck to them.

357357 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Scotty87, 17, #83 of 2133 🔗

Yes we should do that too

357361 ▶▶ danny, replying to Scotty87, 34, #84 of 2133 🔗

It’s good that an MP is speaking out, we need all the numbers we can. But I agree. Absolutely pathetic toadying to fat boy. Happened countless times over Brexit with Theresa May, and now again. They threaten dissent only to slink back into the shadows at the first sign of personal risk to their career. I think for many of them, it is a CV strategy. Go down on paper as having been skeptical, so that they can later point to that moment to defend themselves next election without any immediate consequences. There’s exceptions. Graham Brady, Desmond Swain. But where’s the left wing firebrands? Those who since the 80s have been at odds with New labour and now see their poor communities decimated? There’s a few on the right, but as far as I can tell, the left are absolutely in line with Starmer?

357729 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to danny, 7, #85 of 2133 🔗

As you say:
“They threaten dissent only to slink back into the shadows at the first sign of personal risk to their career. I think for many of them, it is a CV strategy. Go down on paper as having been skeptical, so that they can later point to that moment to defend themselves next election without any immediate consequences.”
On current form. Do you think that there will be a next election? Bunter and his mates are quite capable of thinking up reasons to “postpone the locals in May, that are already overdue from May 2020.They may be may be afraid to discover what the electorate really think. Then they also have the fear that nice Mr Farage is waiting on the sidelines. Any bets on the general election in 2024?

357739 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Burlington, 7, #86 of 2133 🔗

There has been talk of postponing until November. Of course by then we may have colder weather and a new variant to protect the NHS from.

359053 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Burlington, 3, #87 of 2133 🔗

By autumn, depending on how US citizens react to things, this shitshow hits the fans. Germany are due a general election around then and if that’s cancelled or indefinitely postponed, I see things developing very quickly.

There’s a lot of pissed off Germans at present and it’s only going to get worse.

357373 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Scotty87, 32, #88 of 2133 🔗

I don’t trust any of them


357452 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #89 of 2133 🔗

I wouldn’t trust any of them, not even Dominic Swayne, who is more consistent on this than Baker. However, if they start suspecting that self-interest might be served by opposing this thing then that is a good indication the tide is turning.

358751 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Waldorf, 3, #90 of 2133 🔗

Desmond not Dominic and I trust him.

357380 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Scotty87, 38, #91 of 2133 🔗

#IoApro movement in Italy for instance, where 50,000 restaurants are set to open simultaneously from today in a direct challenge to government restrictions. Best of luck to them.

I hope this happens in the UK. In ordinary times I do not touch social media with a bargepole – too nasty – but needs must right now. I have posted this on my gab account.

357398 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to kh1485, 21, #92 of 2133 🔗

Unfortunately KH if that happened I believe the public would light up there torches gather their pitchforks and march to said businesses and demand they shut to stop killing granny and protect the NHS such is the level of fear, brainwashing and virtue

357476 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to tonyspurs, 11, #93 of 2133 🔗

I think the zealots would shout/complain/call the police about it but I doubt they would actually DO anything personally.

357510 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to ituex, 11, #94 of 2133 🔗

I agree, they don’t have the courage. It’s all confected outrage – far easier to spew bile out on an Arsebook page.

357778 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to tonyspurs, 5, #95 of 2133 🔗

No the public would do nothing, far too gutless.

357484 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to kh1485, 9, #96 of 2133 🔗

Seems to be similar in Poland as well:
with the impact that Govt there is looking to go with the flow and ease restrictions. Can’t verify this of course. Any Poles on here?

357577 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to BTLnewbie, 4, #97 of 2133 🔗

If this kind of thing spreads, that would be brilliant. AndrewK posted that something similar may be happening in the UK on 21st.

Friend of a friend is in Poland, we’ve asked what is going on there, so will post if I hear anything back.

357959 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to kh1485, 3, #98 of 2133 🔗


Italian Opposition MP Vittorio Sgarbi showing how to express opposition.
And you really don’t need Italian to get the gist…

358033 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to kh1485, 4, #99 of 2133 🔗

Advice: I know that here in CH the restaurants were planning via telegram and were very wary of infiltration (by authorities). Of course, if the movement was really massive, then this might not be necessary.

358768 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to kh1485, 4, #100 of 2133 🔗

I keep hearing about Gab so I just had a look. Have you seen the Wikipedia reference? They describe it thus:

Gab is an American alt-tech social networking service known for its far-right userbase. Widely described as a haven for extremists including neo-Nazis , white supremacists , white nationalists , and the alt-right , it has attracted users and groups who have been banned from other social media and users seeking alternatives to mainstream social media platforms. Gab claims to promote free speech and individual liberty , though these statements have been criticized as being a shield for its alt-right and extremist ecosystem. Antisemitism is prominent among the site’s content, and the company itself has engaged in antisemitic commentary on Twitter.

Well that demonstrates Wikipedia’s level of objectivity quite effectively, I’d say.

358789 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to kh1485, 1, #101 of 2133 🔗

KH. I just replied to your post and drew attention to Wikipedia’s denunciation of Gab. My post was removed within two minutes. I didn’t say anything defamatory or libellous about Wikipedia but questioned its objectivity. I thought we could speak freely here?

357386 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 15, #102 of 2133 🔗

As I said somewhere here in an indirect fashion, our businesses should copy Italy as their way of protesting against the government. I despair at how blind and stupid these businesses are not to realise that they’ve been had and are becoming complicit in their own demise.

Also demonstrated by the supermarkets recently although hopefully some push back is now happening.

357532 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #103 of 2133 🔗

I agree in principle but not only do businesses have to contend with the authorities, they also have to deal with commercial landlords. Any breach of the law (I know, it’s a stupid law) could potentially put you in breach of the terms of your lease. Although you could remedy that breach quite easily and then perhaps not be subject to eviction, if you were to look for alternative premises, this could count against you. Being a business owner does not mean you are free to act in the way you want, sadly.

357578 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 7, #104 of 2133 🔗

That’s frightening if that’s the case that said I wonder that surely the landlords must be despairing too because I don’t see them earning anything in terms of rent.

There was a frightening statistic from a shopping centre where apparently 9 out 10 couldn’t pay the rent.

357676 ▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to kh1485, 7, #105 of 2133 🔗

If I had a commercial lease I’d put an alternative to my landlord that I go bankrupt and leave them with an empty building and no rent. Then I would thank them for their support….

357548 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Scotty87, 8, #106 of 2133 🔗

When I saw Baker’s words reported in the comments here yesterday I was slightly hopeful they might be significant.

What I find this morning is that, in effect, they are no more than a request to Johnson to guarantee it will all be over by Christmas 2021. He will of course do that, just as he guaranteed it would be over by Christmas 2020. We can all imagine the smirk as he says it.

357675 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Scotty87, 9, #107 of 2133 🔗

He abstained from voting on the third lockdown when he should have been front, right and centre, beating his chest and crying out “NO MORE! ”

agree. He made a big mistake. It is all about political positioning. No trust

357731 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Victoria, 4, #108 of 2133 🔗

Maybe panic due to number of letters from his constituents.

357974 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Scotty87, 10, #109 of 2133 🔗

The freedom plan requires no time to prepare and the back of a fag packet should suffice to write it down.


358020 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Scotty87, 5, #110 of 2133 🔗

Key to this is planning and critical mass. Restaurants tried to do this last week here in CH, but in the end not enough joined in. I think they also foolishly planned to open on a Monday during day. Better would have been, say, Thurs evening (when we — and I think many more — could have gone). But keeping fingers crossed for Italy. If it is really massive, then it will be difficult for the authorities. And will embolden those in other countries.

358842 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Scotty87, 1, #111 of 2133 🔗

Baker is showboating and he doesn’t mean a word of it.

359031 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Scotty87, 1, #112 of 2133 🔗

He was exactly like that on The Telegraph skeptics podcast “Planet Normal” too. Don’t think that the hosts knew what to make of him from one moment to the next! It’s obvious that you can’t slag off all of BJ’s policies, actions, principles etc and then praise him the next second just so that you don’t get in trouble with the whip. Might’ve worked in the office politics of the armed forces but not on a national stage.

359087 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Scotty87, 1, #113 of 2133 🔗

I seem to remember reading that, counterintuitively, North Korea has the most dynamic economy in the world, as you have to get creative to survive.

Anyhow, doesn’t sound like it’ll be too much fun whatever happens.

357346 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 76, #114 of 2133 🔗

I’m sorry, but I don’t accept that the government is being driven by hyper-paranoia. The government itself is driving the hyper paranoia. MPs like Steve baker are, I’m afraid, part of the problem. They make bold statements of truth, only to run away at the slightest hint of resistance.

357353 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Londo Mollari, 36, #115 of 2133 🔗

True.The government is the virus.

357785 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #116 of 2133 🔗

Unlike the virus it doesn’t become less deadly to survive.

357348 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 12, #117 of 2133 🔗

You’ve also got ‘A doctor speaks’ showing 4 graphs from the NHS, 3 of which relate to Covid. Because we cannot test for Covid, these graphs are meaningless. Why has LS given this doctor space???

357542 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Bungle, 5, #118 of 2133 🔗

“A doctor speaks…”

And no reference point. Where are the comparative figures on bed occupancy and admissions for previous years? I think we are losing our way, getting bogged down in meaningless detail. The most impactful item today was the poster from AdapNation about hospital admissions.

357692 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bungle, 4, #119 of 2133 🔗

Yes I love going with the data. That’s the problem. The data is fucked up. Headline of the worse deaths since the pandemic began. No it fucking isn’t, they have stopped producing the total deaths and are only showing misdiagnosed covid deaths. I bet when they release the all cause deaths there is no increase on totals on the average. Stop doing reviews of half asset data and wait till all the information is available.

357351 Annie, replying to Annie, 9, #120 of 2133 🔗

Talking of human rights: a petition to make them inviolable.


357376 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 3, #121 of 2133 🔗

I had to look up “inviolable” first, LOL, but signed.

357456 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #122 of 2133 🔗

Learn a new word every day, it’s therapeutic!

357487 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #123 of 2133 🔗


The formation of the bank of international settlements. Essential the world ruling bank is where I learned about inviolability. You can skip to the formation of the banks articles if you get bored reading.

357352 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 21, #124 of 2133 🔗

Further down, we have Toby complaining about ‘left-wing activists’.I’ve been one all my life and don’t want you attacking me when we are supposed to be on the same side re: Covid.

357359 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, 14, #125 of 2133 🔗

To be fair, its two different topics that have converged, the cancel culture is mostly a leftist cause. I appreciate old skol socialists held freedom of speech as an inalienable right, (i do have many socialists empathies) & often it Eugene V. Debs as their inspiration, but he died long ago & it looks like those principals died with him, the modern left have no such values.

357369 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #126 of 2133 🔗

Fair point.

357576 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #127 of 2133 🔗

The Right had their fair share of cancel culture in the 80’s /90’s
Video games
Music (satanic panic , punk)
Movies (video nasties )
to name but a few

357364 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bungle, 36, #128 of 2133 🔗

I hope that most of us here agree on that. Agreement on the iniquity of lockdowns far outranks disagreements on other matters.
Before this bollox I’d have described myself as right-wing, but I think both ‘wings’ have now fallen off and the terms have become meaningless.
When the bollox ends, we can go back to l-r arguments if we want to.

357370 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 9, #129 of 2133 🔗

We will.
Looking forward to it, and leave/rejoiner argument.

357841 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #130 of 2133 🔗

To be honest I think all the old conflicts over Brexit,identity politics,welfarism etc are completely irrelevant whilst all this is going on. If the economy is closed and our freedoms ended who cares about any other issue? I am amazed that anyone on Right or Left thinks they matter at the moment. I really dont care what people’s politics are at the moment…if they are against lockdown they are on my side.

357371 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Annie, 47, #131 of 2133 🔗

Political affiliation counts for very little when you are being hounded by a repressive regime. As a Corbyn voting, passionate remainer in the distant days before lockdown, my only friends now are my fellow anti-lockdowners, whoever they are. We all believe that we should live in a healthy country where those kind of debates should exist. Please, put tribalism aside and join together.

357389 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to danny, 29, #132 of 2133 🔗

Danny, I am seriously putting our 48 year old marriage at risk.
I told my wife that (given the chance?) I will vote for Reform UK in any future? elections.
She said that “you will vote for a party whose values you have hated and detested all of your life, WHY?”
I class Nigel Farage as a bigger opportunist liar than the Bozzer (and that takes some doing) but I listened to Richard Tice on TR the other morning and apart from his right wing rhetoric of “a can do” attitude, I was impressed by his common sense ( as is TR) over the over hysterical measures supported by the main stream parties and the MSM.
When this madness is over then I will have to see what the situation will be in the future as pertains to “politics” and “common sense”.
As many FS’s have said: “it’s not right versus left, it’s sheep and collaborators against us”.

357407 ▶▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to Fingerache Philip, 20, #133 of 2133 🔗

Really sorry for you. It is bad enough having a brother who is a lockdown enthusiast and parents who fluctuate by the hour between anger and fear. It has made family life a constant knife edge. But luckily my wife shares my beliefs, albeit less of an activist. Can’t imagine not having that respite when you close the door at night. These kind of forums are just so vital.
Like yourself, I have sworn never to vote labour again. Not a conservative either and certainly not now. Greens are a one trick pony. LibDems have all the solidity of a windsock. I will never give any of these my vote after what they have collectively done. If Reform UK are viable and have decided that ending the lockdown is important, then they have my vote too. Absolutely.

357517 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to danny, 11, #134 of 2133 🔗

Agree. That’s where Mr Bart and I part company – he still thinks that voting Labour is the best way of getting rid of the majority and our useful as a chocolate teapot Tory MP. But I disagree as I’ve had enough of the mainstream parties – Tory, Labour, Lib Dem and even Green; they’re all in it and can go to hell for all I care.

That said Mr Bart does regret voting for that shitweasel Sadiq Khan as mayor and now can’t wait to vote him out.

357604 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #135 of 2133 🔗

Splitting the protest vote ain’t going to work either
There has to be one
and only one

357641 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #136 of 2133 🔗

That’s why I think the likes of Reform and Reclaim should merge as one party. A friend suggested I check out the SDP.

358076 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #137 of 2133 🔗

Yes, as they would appeal to different parts of the country and different voters

358664 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, #138 of 2133 🔗

Look up communitarianism, then have another, more sceptical, look at the SDP.

357663 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to danny, 4, #139 of 2133 🔗

Thank you Danny, for your kind, supportive and constructive comments.
Our marriage has survived many problems and it will survive this.
Thank you once again.

357603 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #140 of 2133 🔗

At this point a protest party is all we have
I saw Katie Hopkins has joined UKIP
I would laugh myself into the grave if she ever got elected

357677 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #141 of 2133 🔗


357712 ▶▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #142 of 2133 🔗

Eventually everyone will be on the right side, which we think is most definitely ours.

Everyone was in the French resistance, after the war….. which gives everyone the opportunity to openly criticise, complain and side with those who they didn’t align with before.

357761 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Simon, 1, #143 of 2133 🔗

Yes, they were all at Woodstock too during HK flu so of course they were sceptics.

357814 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Simon, #144 of 2133 🔗

Well said, Simon.

357644 ▶▶▶▶ Covidiot, replying to danny, 11, #145 of 2133 🔗

Totally agree. From the same background. I think the problem with this virus response has, in large part, due to political posturing and divide and rule tactics by the political mainstream. This has been made into a political argument and has essentially asked people to take sides. Political tribalism has ensued. If your a sceptic you support Brexit and Trump, if you are a lockdown zealot you are one of us, the nice guys.

Some posters on this website seem to have swallowed this whole and seem intent on entrenching those divisions through their comments. But, peeking through the fog of bullshit, it quickly becomes apparent that there are many people with left wing values who are equally as angry about all this as those on the right.

It is so vitally important that this infighting does not spread as the authorities want it to do. You might not realise it but this is the trap they want us to fall into.

Left wing, right wing, it doesn’t matter. Those on the right should be pleased there are left wing voices in this debate because it means that these divide and rule tactics have only worked to a certain degree.

I have wrestled with my support for the ‘left’ over the last few months. I’ve come to the conclusion that my principles are unchanged but the Labour party no longer represents them, they have become nothing more than the great enablers of neo-liberalism and have lost any understanding of the people they are supposed to represent.

The fact that I have lost support for the party doesn’t mean I don’t believe in the principles of democratic socialism. I would say that ‘the left’, posters are so angry with, don’t really represent the left at all.

357824 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Covidiot, 4, #146 of 2133 🔗

We must not fall into the “Divide and conquer” trap.

357374 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Annie, 34, #147 of 2133 🔗

Exactly! Before this bollox I’d have described myself as left-wing now I have more in common with the other side and don’t care about wings anymore. Fighting alongside others with diverse views for a bigger unifying cause is always progressive.

357388 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Marialta, 21, #148 of 2133 🔗

Half the time left and right don’t really matter. Some of the most unpleasant people I’ve encountered are from the “caring” left.

357770 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #149 of 2133 🔗

“We’re from the government and we’re here to help you.”

358042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #150 of 2133 🔗

The most terrifying sentence in the English language.

357390 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Marialta, 30, #151 of 2133 🔗

And I would have described Piers Corbyn as crazy! But now I see him as a man of courage, a hero. Still with some crazy ideas, but a hero. If we don’t see our commonalities we’ll be debating our differences in the camps – which will be fascist or communist depending on your ideology of choice.

357708 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #152 of 2133 🔗

Yep me too but the man has some adamantium king sized balls. If 30% of the country were as brave as him this crap would have been over by Christmas!

357776 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Londo Mollari, #153 of 2133 🔗

Mixed camps surely to increase violence and death?

357723 ▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Marialta, 3, #154 of 2133 🔗

I like the fact that it’s brought both supposed sides together.

But, isn’t the left and right a construct to get the population separated into smaller groups. The illusion of one side winning in a democratic election seems to be just that now.

Doesn;t matter what side you’re on, no-one ever gets what they want. The people should be one side, the government and the dictating technocrats should be the, very small, other.

358866 ▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to Marialta, #155 of 2133 🔗

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

357381 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 6, #156 of 2133 🔗

I hope the authoritarian/libertarian divide comes comes to dominate politics.

357368 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bungle, 4, #157 of 2133 🔗

Me too.
Starting in the 60’s ( anti Vietnam war marches).

357354 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 11, #158 of 2133 🔗

And Toby, I wrote to the BBC complaining about Maitlis but there has been no resurgence so why did you give her ammunition? Fire shots at the opposition, not what’s attached to the end of your leg!

357848 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bungle, 1, #159 of 2133 🔗

Because he still wants his seat in the Lords lol.

358697 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bungle, 2, #160 of 2133 🔗

Yes, Still reiterating it in today’s segment. Disappointing!

357355 Annie, 8, #161 of 2133 🔗

Government response to petition not to implement mass testing in schools:


Stable door, horse, bolted?

357356 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 71, #162 of 2133 🔗

Following on from an earlier post about the thousands of restaurants reopening “illegally” in Italy, imagine if the same happened here, and it soon spread to gyms, bars, pubs & hairdressers. How many of these businesses would be supported by their regulars and the wider public? I suspect quite a few. THAT would be the true marker of support for the government’s draconian policies – if these businesses could sustain themselves despite flouting the restrictions, then all of the polls claiming support for these measures collapse overnight. The yearning for normality will be proven to outweigh fear of the virus.

That I suspect is what the government is absolutely petrified of – a large scale revolt showing that actually, they do NOT have the backing of the people. Then, the mask will slip once and for all – the heavy-handed response by Johnson and Co will force the public to quickly realise that we are being ruled by a clutch of evil despots, not a benevolent, compassionate state who simply want to “save lives.”

It can only end one way for these bastards.

357358 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Scotty87, 63, #163 of 2133 🔗

Mass civil disobedience is the only route out of this.
Parliament,The Courts and the media are a waste of time.
The government and their advisors are flexing their muscles,cue Fersguson telling us that restrictions will last until autumn which at that point they will start again,ready for another winter.
The public mood has changed,people are sick of the continuing rules.Look at the failiure of the NHS clap.
I believe we will have a small window when the weather breaks,the majority of the ‘vunerable will have been jabbed,Even the most brain dead person wi realise there is no more rationale for continued restrictions.

357854 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #164 of 2133 🔗

This is where people like Peter Hitchens get it wrong. Much as I admire him in some ways sorry Peter your idea of us all writing to our MPs was a total failure as the number of MPs who voted against lockdown went down drastically. I have no faith in MPs,the courts etc….the whole rotten establishment is corrupt and toes the tyrannical government line. Peter needs to wake up an smell the coffee.

358469 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #165 of 2133 🔗

Yep, I’m afraid we have all been let down big time by our MPs. I am a reasonably intelligent chap with very little interest in politics as such. I rarely contributed to online discussions and am appalled at how they just don’t get it.

Surely a prerequisite of being in Government is reasonable intelligence and an ability to see the main thing. When you see the main thing but do not do anything about it, you have ceased to be of any worth in my opinion. There must be more men and women in Government who understand but simply do not have the moral fibre/guts to stand up. That is a frightening thing.

What chance the next generation doing any better unless true leaders rise up in the next 10 years. I am not very optimistic and when COVID is over I will return to ‘loving/serving my neighbour’ as I would want to loved.

358998 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Puddleglum59, 4, #166 of 2133 🔗

The hole we are now in is a far far deeper than most people can begin to comprehend. The problem is ours and there won’t be a future if we don’t fix it now.

357392 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 28, #167 of 2133 🔗

Agree. As I’ve said here before, if my mangers decide to flout the restrictions and open regardless, I will be the first to volunteer to come to work and welcome visitors.

The government seems to think that they’ve got public compliance but definitely the cracks are showing and are getting bigger.

What’s really needed is more of a push back like in Italy and the rest to follow.

357732 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 21, #168 of 2133 🔗

My daughter works for a BMW dealers, they did not close for the last lockdown as they were cheating as a click and collect and car service operation. They have remained open but got shopped by a lockdown zealot and had a visit yesterday. So now they (and I swear this is true) are all sitting in the dark with the blinds pulled down on the sales side. Rock on!! Need more firms to do this!

358047 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Spikedee1, 8, #169 of 2133 🔗

That’s brave of them and at this rate, everything will become a “black market.”

Maybe I should float the same idea to my managers – TOP SECRET MUSEUM

357404 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Scotty87, 6, #170 of 2133 🔗

If this happens in Italy then hopefully it will spread across the rest of Europe and maybe here. Though given the reaction of people on Facebook to the mass snowball fight in West Yorkshire yesterday I’m not convinced people would support businesses who opened up.

357424 ▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Ambwozere, 11, #171 of 2133 🔗

Social media is largely just zealots on both sides screaming into the ether. I think the average Joe or Jane would be a lot more sympathetic – I reckon there’s plenty in the UK who are yearning for a nice meal, a few pints, a smart haircut or an indoor training session right now!

357462 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Scotty87, 19, #172 of 2133 🔗

A cup of coffee and a bun in a cosy café with happy holidaymakers strolling past the windows.
To think that I once took that for granted…

357558 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Annie, 2, #173 of 2133 🔗

I’d even suffer being stranded on Lindisfarne at high tide for that.

357438 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ambwozere, 11, #174 of 2133 🔗

As David Cameron once said Twitter is not Britain.

And I think he’s right. Plus there’s some hypocrisy going on too. How many people take to their anti-social media accounts denouncing the likes of us a “Covidiots” but behind the scenes break the “rules” themselves?

357473 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #175 of 2133 🔗

It is probably impossible not to break the rules. 100% compliance is virtually impossible. That guy being told off by a cop od Covid marshal for breathing too heavily, for example. The only people who do not breathe are dead…

357489 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Waldorf, 14, #176 of 2133 🔗

Being dead is the ideal state. You can’t break the rules, you can’t protest, you swell the essential death-porn figures, and as you’ve stopped breathing, you can’t emit that toxic green killer goo. It’a a wonder more zombies don’t embrace this wonderful virtue signal.

357530 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 6, #177 of 2133 🔗

It’s the same with the Greens. I’ve always wondered why don’t they be honest and admit that they want the extinction of the human race? That said they might be forced to commit hara-kiri to set an example.

359004 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, #178 of 2133 🔗

It’s not just the Greens who are eagerly looking forward to a world without people.

357741 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 3, #179 of 2133 🔗

This is true and the reason I have spent the last year dead. It was hard not opening my birthday prezzies but I got through it. Oh Douglas Adams, we could really do with you still being around!

357526 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Waldorf, 8, #180 of 2133 🔗

That’s a stupid comment by the police and well done to the bloke for calling him out on his stupidity.

That was what I told a colleague who whined that “if only people followed the rules.” I retorted that 100% compliance is only possible if we all committed mass suicide. That left her speechless.

358887 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Scotty87, #181 of 2133 🔗

Publicise the opening up FROM (not on) 21st.
(I have been suggesting St Valentine’s Day to give time to spread the word, but all the better if 21st works for enough venues.)
Verify the date, then everybody spread the word.

357360 miahoneybee, replying to miahoneybee, 41, #182 of 2133 🔗

Mps had their chance to do something. Only 16 attempted to do so. S Baker you had many chances. You abstained. All cowards him included. Their own careers come before stopping this bullshit despite them all knowing the consequences of lockdowns . ( I know a large number are actually thick 😊 ) most have turned a blind eye.i am also sick of giving space to some of these stories on here which are getting more frequent.

357365 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to miahoneybee, 52, #183 of 2133 🔗

Totally agree. While these idiots muck about, people are losing their lives, their livelihoods and their sanity. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.

I have nothing but pure icy contempt for the lot of them. Get your bloody fingers out and damn well do something.

357748 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kh1485, 5, #184 of 2133 🔗

The WFH crowd do not give a crap about lockdown. They and the silver top big pension crowd I suggest are the vast majority of lockdown zealots.

357864 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #185 of 2133 🔗

Maybe we should just get our pliers out and cut the cables to the houses of the WFH brigade…that should end their smugness lol.

357887 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Spikedee1, 7, #186 of 2133 🔗

Point of order – I’m a WFHer and I have been for more than a decade when not travelling for business (obviously not doing that anymore!). I couldn’t possibly be more anti this lockdown shit show. Maybe it’s the new found WFHers who now don’t have to commute or spend a fiver a day in Pret any more though.

357889 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #187 of 2133 🔗

Was more talking about the MPs. I know those who are so far removed from this don’t give a crap. But, one day, it will come to their door

358057 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #188 of 2133 🔗

Economic Armageddon will get them to change their tune. There will be weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth when their jobs either go or are outsourced. Or their pensions are taxed and/or lose their value.

357366 wendyk, 7, #189 of 2133 🔗


The AIER again: excess deaths caused by lockdown-induced despair.

357377 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 41, #190 of 2133 🔗

Whilst we may have our criticisms of what appears in this newsletter, it does now seem to represent the only source of any attempt at an incisive and rational challenge to the covid zealot narrative. It did look for a time that the CEBM headed by Carl Heneghan might be taking on that role but it would seem that they have been ‘nobbled’ and we now hear little from them.
Carl Heneghan did recently re-tweet an item about ONS death stats but made no comment himself. It was clear from the comments to that re-tweet that a proper presentation and analysis of death stats is needed but it now seems we are dependent on Will and Toby doing this sort of thing and presenting the comments here. Certainly I am very grateful that they are doing this and that, so far, this site has been able to continue.

357379 ▶▶ Viv, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #191 of 2133 🔗

GMTA! I was very puzzled about the sudden absence of Prof Henegan in reports. There’s only the update of their Nightingale Diagram on the CEBM website. One cannot help but wonder if indeed he, his co-workers and the institute have been told to shut up or else …

357768 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Viv, 6, #192 of 2133 🔗

There can be no doubt of that I feel. Funding, employment, all are vulnerable to Big Brother. Sadly Mike Yeadon also appears to be less active. This is scarier as he is financially independent. Of course ‘they’ know where he lives……..

358059 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to eastender53, 3, #193 of 2133 🔗

I’ve not heard anything from Michael Levitt for a long time, either.

357384 Bart Simpson, 30, #194 of 2133 🔗

The MPs who are against all this insanity should be more robust in their opposition and if needs be trigger a vote of no confidence in this government.

Businesses, institutions and venues should stop pussyfooting and kowtowing to the government. Surely they should know by now that they’ve been complicit in their own demise. They should follow the example of Italy and open en masse with no restrictions and no “Covid safety” measures. Remember businesses outnumber the police and council authorities.

Sure they will get fined and attempts will be made to close them but like the gym owners and that hairdresser, cry foul, refuse to pay and demand that it goes to court. If they all did this, the authorities will be tied down for the next 50,000 years.

Meanwhile we ordinary members of the public should carry on ignoring the rules and restrictions and fight back any insanity whenever we can.

Remember it ain’t over until WE say it’s over.

357385 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 40, #195 of 2133 🔗

I do not see any point in writing to a dictatorship asking them not to be a dictatorship

Don’t think it works like that

357391 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 9, #196 of 2133 🔗

I suppose it indicates that we know it’s a dictatorship.

357402 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 5, #197 of 2133 🔗

It may land you on the ‘enemies’ list at some point…..

357496 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FerdIII, 5, #198 of 2133 🔗

I’m on it anyway.

357600 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 2, #199 of 2133 🔗

Mao often bumped off a few less due to letters from the proles

357870 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Cecil B, #200 of 2133 🔗

Yes get real Peter Hitchens.

357393 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 9, #201 of 2133 🔗

Quite a good opinion piece about snitches from the Guardian. The comments are horrendous.

357395 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 13, #202 of 2133 🔗

A fairly good piece if only ruined by the sneering aside on businesses but it’s spot on with pointing out what we’ve said repeatedly here – people’s capacity for evil masquerading as good.

357506 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #203 of 2133 🔗

Never before have I known good and evil so mixed up. I guess that is what happens in a police state.I was brought up with my parents telling me how lucky we were to live in a free country too

357535 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #204 of 2133 🔗

It’s bonkers agree and it forces you to see people in a different light. I’ve began to despise a lot of people including my own family for their weakness and complicity in all of this.

357478 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #205 of 2133 🔗

Went straight to the comments … couldn’t resist! My observation, they do love to go on about selfishness.

357495 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to LS99, 5, #206 of 2133 🔗

How can they be so blind as to think ‘rulebreakers’ are driving the pandemic when most infections are picked up in hospitals. supermarkets or at work? The likelihood of maskless people transmitting it out of doors is remote.

357394 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #207 of 2133 🔗

From feedingamerica.org:
“No One Can Thrive on an Empty Stomach

Due to the coronavirus pandemic, 50 million people may face hunger in the U.S. — including more than 17 million children. Hunger knows no boundaries — it touches every community in the U.S., including your own.”

From NorthumbrianNomad:

50 million people may face hunger in the U.S. not “due to [sic] the coronavirus pandemic” but because government has criminalized work and life.

357401 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #208 of 2133 🔗

I get cheesed off with newspaper headlines and articles that still blame the virus for this and that. When will they get it into their thick skulls that it was lockdown that did it?

357400 james007, replying to james007, 47, #209 of 2133 🔗

Steve Baker warns the Government that people are “loosing faith” in the Government. NO Mr Baker. People have LOST faith in the Government, and they have also LOST faith in you.

357403 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to james007, 17, #210 of 2133 🔗

I bet he doesn’t realise that he’s part of the problem. In fact all the MPs bar a few honourable exceptions are.

357405 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to james007, 10, #211 of 2133 🔗

Yes, I told my MP, the useless and bullying Home Secretary, that she has lost my vote for ever. This cannot and will not ever be forgotten or forgiven.
Hard to negotiate a way out of that divide!

357412 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 12, #212 of 2133 🔗

Which does leave us with a problem. What’s in it for them if we are never going to support them again anyway? Just hang on as long as they can now, I suppose.
We do need all the pubs, cafes, shops, gyms, hairdressers etc to open up en masse and refuse fines. We can crowd fund the show trials if they are pushed that far before the whole thing collapses.

357444 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to WasSteph, 6, #213 of 2133 🔗

‘We’ is a minority. Zombies will either think that the gov is doing a terrific job of enslaving the country, or think that Starmer could do it better.

357449 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Annie, 5, #214 of 2133 🔗

I know we are in the minority, unfortunately. However, there is clearly lockdown fatigue out there; the parks and beaches last weekend can’t only have been occupied by readers of this blog.

357471 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to WasSteph, #215 of 2133 🔗

True, o queen!

357888 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to WasSteph, 5, #216 of 2133 🔗

En masse civil dis obedience is the only way out of this and businesses need to wake up instead of believing all the bullshit. Forget MPs…they are only concerned with their careers.

357880 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to WasSteph, #217 of 2133 🔗

God she is the worst….love the way she tries to sound tough…all 5ft 8 stone of her lol.

357406 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to james007, 10, #218 of 2133 🔗

Indeed. Yeah, memo to Steve, we lost it many, many months ago.

357408 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 10, #219 of 2133 🔗

Shameful from the formerly sceptical Mail this morning, their front page is claiming that the R number has dropped and these figures “are the strongest evidence yet that the lockdown is working.”

What, with millions more key workers mingling together and every man and his dog (literally) cramming into parks every weekend? Any mention towards the fact that infections were actually falling before the lockdown began?

Yet another one probably given a slap on the wrist by Ofcom and told to stay in line. Embarrassing beyond belief.

357411 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Scotty87, 15, #220 of 2133 🔗

The Mail is Janus-faced like the Telegraph. And in the end it doesn’t matter to any of them whether you read something and cheer or read it and grouse, as long as you read it. So don’t.

357413 ▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #221 of 2133 🔗

Mercifully NN I didn’t purchase the rag – I could never have it on my conscience to personally fund such egregious lies and propaganda. Totally agree with your point though.

357895 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #222 of 2133 🔗

I shall never buy any newspaper again…they are all a disgrace.

357428 ▶▶ james007, replying to Scotty87, 3, #223 of 2133 🔗

It is a fallacy. When the relationship between two things is unproven (lockdowns, lower death rates/saving the NHS), saying that one happened after the other does not show a cause. Especially if countries with different approaches are also seeing the virus become less prevalent.

357434 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Scotty87, 6, #224 of 2133 🔗

The DM is a propaganda rag they also have a lot of paid bots too, replying to each other

357409 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 51, #225 of 2133 🔗

Good luck to the 50,000 Italian restaurants. May they paralyse the police with their numbers and clog up the courts with their appeals against their fines.

357417 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 46, #226 of 2133 🔗

I think there’s a national call out to all businesses closed in the UK to do the same on the 21st Jan. If they all open and all take their fines to court then the Tyranny stops. The Dictators can’t win that battle. Start calling this out now. Open without fear. I will be the first to eat in whatever restaurant decides to open near me.

357422 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Andrew K, 9, #227 of 2133 🔗

Excellent, me too

357450 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andrew K, 4, #228 of 2133 🔗

Hear, hear!!!!

357568 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Andrew K, 5, #229 of 2133 🔗

Do you have any more information on that? Thanks.

357572 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to kh1485, 5, #230 of 2133 🔗

I saw a flyer on one of the National Alliance telegram groups, but I need to find it again.

357744 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Andrew K, 5, #231 of 2133 🔗

Cops will find (speechless) Inspector Salvo Montalbano dining at one of them I’m pretty certain.

357900 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Andrew K, #232 of 2133 🔗

Me too without a doubt.

359014 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Andrew K, 1, #233 of 2133 🔗

We need all pubs to do the same. Resistance is the only way out of this mess.

357445 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #234 of 2133 🔗

Hear hear. Evivva!

357483 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 7, #235 of 2133 🔗


If you like it, do watch the whole thing. It’s not just the chorus. Something rather beautiful happens, which I hope happens in Italy today.

357595 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #236 of 2133 🔗

Yes very inspiring. I feel we need a resistence song, upbeat and emotional, think French national anthem or in the zulu film. Something we can sing in defeat and when we ultimately triumph. You never know it could become our new national anthem when the royals (who by all accounts are fully behind this) are over thrown!

358804 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #237 of 2133 🔗

Wonderful. Thanks!

357760 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #238 of 2133 🔗

Yes Katy Hopkins did a YouTube video about this. I know she is not everyone’s cup of tea, but she is one of us.

357410 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 24, #239 of 2133 🔗

Fake Data Parade continues. Do any MPs have a brain to challenge these fake numbers or anyone in the Fake News Half wit complex ?

1300 dead Jan 13th. 1600 Jan 14th…..

2018 2nd week in Jan – 2000 died per day on average from the Flu-Resp-Pneumonia….2021 suddenly the these 3 cats are down close to zero…..

What happened to the 1700 people who normally die each day in the UK? Their own numbers do not add up.

357414 ▶▶ Julian, replying to FerdIII, 13, #240 of 2133 🔗

And there you have it in a nutshell. Until we get the real numbers in context in front of people on a daily basis we’re on the back foot

The report in the Mail yesterday of the Baker statements about the PM had right smack bang in the middle of it a graph showing covid deaths nearly as high as the spring peak, which is clearly a massive distortion of what is really going on

357419 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Julian, 11, #241 of 2133 🔗

Yes and the ONS stats only available for week ending Jan 1, so can’t look at the total data sets. I have little confidence in the veracity of the published stats, especially when comparing to years previous, in which it is clear that they are moving flu-resp-pneu into CV 19 – by my reckoning well over 30 K dead.

I built an app based on their data to do analysis….and their data sets are to be blunt, a bloody joke. NHS ‘agencies’ feed the ONS, there is no ‘end to end’ verifiable process, nor data validation. The data sets published are csv files and they are manipulated.

Within data sets I found that their own numbers do not add up ie. if I add up by week to get a month and they have published a sub data set of totals by month, the details by week, do not add up to the monthly summary file.

357416 ▶▶ kvnmoore561, replying to FerdIII, 5, #242 of 2133 🔗

Has anyone tried to put these figures into context and are they actually accurate (something that I highly doubt)? Is this reported deaths? Since everyone going into hospital is now tested and if they test positive and then die are they all getting put down as Covid (this is something that I’ve anecdotally heard is happening)? If this is distorting what is really going on, which I think it is, then what is the real situation? It seems to me that even though these figures are supposedly worse than the first ‘wave’ – I hate that term – people are acting a lot differently, the roads are busy, people are going out, etc. It’s just so insane the situation that we find ourselves in.

357423 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to kvnmoore561, 6, #243 of 2133 🔗

The entire data collection, publishing workflows needs a huge, thorough end to end audit, starting with the MCCD and going forward all the way to the ONS published csv files. This must be demanded in Parliament.

We also need a 2nd audit on financial incentives, are hospitals receiving more of the billions in CV budget if they ramp up the CV porn?

Under March 2020 new laws, the old system of the MCCD was stopped. The new one is subjective – one doctor who does not need to see you before you die, can assess why you died, no clinical proof is now needed. So if the nurse says you had a fever etc it might be that CV shows up on the MCCD (there may be more budget avail for the hospital in this case). And, the presence of any flu RNA even post death (tested or not before you die) would probably mean the same.

It would be nice if an MP or someone in the Fake News understood something about data flows including how corrupted most ‘big data flows’ are in real life.

358827 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to kvnmoore561, #244 of 2133 🔗

In hospital, anyone testing negative is tested again and again until they test positive.

357466 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to FerdIII, 18, #245 of 2133 🔗

In my personal view the only death data that stands as absolutely correct and irrefutable is the ONS published total of registered deaths from all causes. The death registration system is well established even after coronavirus act modifications and the figures are the gold standard.
One of the issues is that when this hoo-haa started they decided that death registration data was coming out too slowly and so they set up a fast system to get daily data but that inevitably has lead to dodgy data especially the weird data of deaths within 28 days of a +ve test. You might as well publish data on deaths within 28 days of cutting your toenails and then blame toenail cutting for deaths.
What really annoys me is when people say that deaths are as bad now as they were in April/May when the ONS total deaths were over double the 5 year average compared to now when we are about normal.
Mind you i have seen people on Twitter effectively arguing that the reason there are few other respiratory deaths at present is due to face-masks and social distancing and that if we did not have covid but had still taken precautions we would now be having the lowest death rates in modern times. I have to say that such a view indicates that these folk probably also still believe in the tooth fairy.

357957 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #246 of 2133 🔗

I have a bridge to sell them!

357491 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to FerdIII, 12, #247 of 2133 🔗

Year to date number of deaths and age-standardised mortality rates, deaths registered between 1 January and 30 November 2001 to 2020, England
Year   Number of deaths Rate per 100,000 population
2001   454,756     1,227.9
2002   454,687     1,216.1
2003   454,801     1,207.8
2004   436,209     1,146.0
2005   437,603     1,134.7
2006   432,515     1,105.2
2007   429,654     1,082.7
2008   425,657     1,060.0
2009   416,450     1,018.3
2010   416,028     997.7
2011   412,119     968.0
2012   427,111      982.3
2013   433,578      979.5
2014   422,396      933.6
2015   452,814      985.6
2016   448,167      958.2
2017   456,588      959.8
2018   467,149      965.7
2019   452,084      915.0
2020   517,148      1,029.4

Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020 .

My reading of this is that in terms of Mortality Rates per 100,000 people, while 2020 is certainly out of kilter with the preceding 10 years, it is not at all out of kilter with the 9 years before then. These data are for the period January to November only (and for England only). I think the data for January to December are due to be published on 18 January. We will then be able to see the Age-Standardised Mortality Rate per 100,000 for the whole of this calendar year.

What is striking is mortality rate from January to November 2019. This was extraordinarily low, possibly connected with a very mild winter in January/February 2019?

Sorry, I can’t get the columns of data neatly aligned!

357511 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #248 of 2133 🔗

Would be fascinating to rerun this but excluding the 10 weeks when we had a pandemic in the uk – mid-Mar to end May.
To show that the old man with the scythe has been operating as normal from 1 Jun.

357775 ▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #249 of 2133 🔗

Age-standardised mortality rates deaths registered in January 2001 to November 2020, England

Period       Rate per 100,000 population
November 2020    1,057.4
October 2020    925.7
September 2020   882.3
August 2020    746.0
July 2020    820.8
June 2020    886.9
May 2020    1,064.4
April 2020    1,859.6
March 2020    1,005.3
February 2020    943.6
January 2020    1,148.6

Source: Table 1, https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020

Yes, April 2020 stands out. These data are by date of registration of death, so there is almost certain to be a small lag compared with date of death.

357811 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #250 of 2133 🔗

Great analysis. How would this stack against a really bad flu season?

357589 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #251 of 2133 🔗

Much thanks for this. I hope you can update it when stats for the full year come in.

Seeing figures like this suggest to me the NHS has done a very good job in helping people to live longer. So the percentage of vulnerable people has been steadily increasing over the past decade or so.

357740 ▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #252 of 2133 🔗

Yes, I will look out for the December publication. We will then be able to make a comparison between the 2020 mortality rate per 100,000 in England and the preceding 19 years.

357614 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #253 of 2133 🔗

per 100,000 population

2016, 2017, 2018 are all about 960 deaths

2019 had a low death year (915) leaving many more ready to pop their clogs in 2020 which had a higher death year (1029) – average deaths over these two years 972 deaths
(including deaths from ceasing non-covid healthcare/hospital services)

average deaths over last 20 years is 1043

357738 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Major Panic, 3, #254 of 2133 🔗

51 drop from 2018 to 2019 (966 to 915). Add that back to 2018’s 966 gets you to 1016 (to nearest whole number) which isn’t far off 2020’s 1029. So ‘dry tinder’ plus lack of access to NHS for many accounts for it.

357415 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 19, #255 of 2133 🔗

In cases were models drive policy and the feedback is official data, there is a feedback loop where official data is massaged to make the models look good, even though this is completely disconnected with reality.

Because the sunken cost of relying on the models cannot be accepted.

Has it not dawned on people yet that the only reason we are still in this mess is that politicians and institutions are covering their arses? That has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of the flu season and all to do with dodging liabilty.

In other words, the Health and Safety complex pushed to its logical conclusion.

357435 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to mhcp, 12, #256 of 2133 🔗

Yes, I have been thinking more about this recently. It is going to be very difficult, maybe impossible, for all the scientists, politicians and journalists who advocate for lockdowns, to admit they have messed up, as the stakes are too high. So the scientists keep meddling and forecasting more doom, the journalists keep broadcasting the fear and panic and the government reacts with more restrictions. How the bloody hell do we ever break this cycle of destruction?

357437 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tommo, 3, #257 of 2133 🔗

You don’t, nobody does. Welcome to your future

357443 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tommo, 6, #258 of 2133 🔗

Economic collapse and violent upheaval is how it has usually gone in history.

No reason why it should be different this time.

357715 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tommo, 2, #259 of 2133 🔗

The magical snake oil will ‘cure all’ and provide the pols’ escape route is their plan I think. Be interesting to see if they can pull it off.

358816 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tommo, 2, #260 of 2133 🔗

Exercise our freedoms all together starting St. Valentines day. No more restrictions.
With freedoms come responsibilities, a concept that the “government” itself is incapable of comprehending.

358124 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mhcp, 3, #261 of 2133 🔗

People have been driven by fear into accepting whatever they are told. My Dad was a career civil servant and during his career, had as low a bullshit tolerance level as I have – even from other civil servants.

Since he has retired (11 years now), he has done a complete turn around and believes all the fear porn put out by the modern State. Arguments from me that he knows the State lies to get its message across (as he was on the inside at a senior level) fall on deaf ears.

358780 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to mhcp, 1, #262 of 2133 🔗

They are following the plan.

357418 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #263 of 2133 🔗

‘Steve Baker demands’

What like Chamberlain demands Hitler doesn’t invade Czechoslovakia?

A comic opera

357544 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cecil B, 3, #264 of 2133 🔗

We need a resurgence of Gilbert & Sullivan with suitably derisive lyrics.

357701 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #265 of 2133 🔗

Your name will go on the little list!

357972 ▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #266 of 2133 🔗

Don’t tell him Pike!

Sorry I couldn’t resist it.

357593 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 1, #267 of 2133 🔗

Bake the Snake

357420 chaos, replying to chaos, 28, #268 of 2133 🔗

Boris Johnson is a fucking evil clown. He, his clown wife-beating dad, and Nut Nut want to reduce the population.. so that the likes of them and Prince Charles can enjoy their nature.

357823 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to chaos, 5, #269 of 2133 🔗

I cycled to the park and there were other people there! Walking and talking!! We are so sorry oh Fat Pig Dictator, we shall remove them at once!!

358763 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to chaos, #270 of 2133 🔗

How many children has Johnson sired?

357429 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 3, #271 of 2133 🔗

John redwood’s speech at least starts to challenge the current mass thinking.
Sweden is mentioned, questions asked. Is there a ray of hope?

357480 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to MFvH, 7, #272 of 2133 🔗

Look at his actions and not at his words. He was not one of the sixteen.

357430 Bella Donna, 11, #273 of 2133 🔗

An excellent video explaining herd immunity.


Isolating and masking people is bad for herd immunity!

357431 Jane C in France, replying to Jane C in France, 29, #274 of 2133 🔗

Hospitals are always very busy at this time of year. Surely one reason they are even busier at the moment is because people’s immune systems have been wrecked by ten months of on-again off-again house arrest leading to no exercise, bad food and constant fear. For example, I have a friend in her eighties who was so terrified during the first confinement in March and April that she stayed in her flat and hardly went out even to shop for food. So she got no exercise and ate TV dinners. This was a very lively lady who belonged to all sorts of clubs and walked miles every week. When I saw her in the summer she had put on a huge amount of weight. She will be a lot more susceptible to anything that’s going about this winter than she was in previous years.

357446 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Jane C in France, 8, #275 of 2133 🔗

Exactly, there will be an increase in obesity which will then bring all sorts of heart problems, thus more pressure on the poor NHS.

357465 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Jane C in France, 11, #276 of 2133 🔗

Yes, there are many who are utterly miserable and have as much as given up. This is ruinous for the human body.

357481 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #277 of 2133 🔗


About how chronic fear affects your health. Published pre-Covid.

357432 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 27, #278 of 2133 🔗

Earlier this week I posted about a local care home that had recently come down with Covid (at the same time as vaccines arrived but that’s another story) having previously been clear.
One of the staff who has recovered and returned to work tells me that

‘unfortunately I took it home to my family and gave it to my little brother, mum and dad (COPD +asthma).
We were all amazed at how mild it was, I used to be really scared of it, we all tested positive but it was no more than a cold, nobody even went to bed and I don’t think we’re going to have any country left soon it’s all such b*ll*cks’.

The residents continue to recover in their rooms apart from two very elderly ladies who were at the end of life anyway and a man who went to hospital because he had a fall.

357540 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 14, #279 of 2133 🔗

Your post really encapsulates the whole of this epidemic. For most people covid is barely noticeable. If it hadn’t been labelled covid and without MSM none of us would have known it was a bad flu season.

And the elderly with failing health will often die from a respiratory infection. These germs are all around us all the time. The reason we don’t succumb is because we have immune systems and are active enough to keep our lungs well exercised and well drained. An 85 year old who is bedbound will always be vulnerable whether it is covid or flu or pneumonia.

357844 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #280 of 2133 🔗

Yes this sentence normally ends with and they caught covid, especially in the MSM. You never get any follow up. My wife said her best mates son 22 yo who lives in London has caught it!!! AND? Oh he had the sniffles and a little cough! So not even as bad as a cold?

357440 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 22, #281 of 2133 🔗

I think we may be starting to win.

Could the message be finally getting through ?.

Neil Ferguson is now talking about herd immunity (extract from the Times):
“I think we will see growth rates slow,” Ferguson said. “We may see a decline, and that may be slightly aided by the fact that there is quite a lot of herd immunity in places like London.
“Maybe 25% or 30% of the population has now been infected in the first wave and second wave. So that adds to the reduction of transmission.”

Andrew Cuomo is easing restrictions in all of New York state apart from NYC, saying that if they don’t ease up now there will be nothing left to open.

And the New York Times, the mouthpiece of the liberal establishment ran an article yesterday entitled ‘the future of the coronavirus, an annoying childhood infection ?”, which does what it says on the tin.

These are not small victories – these are people and institutions at the heart of the medical and liberal establishments, but of course the advantage is that sheep are easy to herd, so now they’re starting to change direction,…… !

And all to the background of the Mail waking up to and hysterically advertising the fact that the infection rate is going down.

The only downside is the headline death figures, but since excess or incremental deaths are running at about 500-1000 per week now (age adjusted) compared to around 11000 in April, you’d have to be particularly hard of thinking to pay any attention to those. Ditto the ridiculous article on the BBC that deaths are the worst since the second world war.

As the light shines on these figures, people will start to see how ridiculous they are.

357460 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Laurence, 18, #282 of 2133 🔗

They are retreating now as they don’t want too many sheep to wake up in March/ April. This has been the greatest wealth transfer in a century with a resoundingly successful test pilot for health fascism.

Regardless of whether we get ‘normal’ back this threat is never going away it’s been too successful for the elites.

357552 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 4, #283 of 2133 🔗

Yesterday the BBC broadcast Ferguson saying
“100,000 have died so far but only 20% of the population has been infected with Covid . . .”
Left hanging to imply that if the other 80% become infected 400,000 more will die
“Which is why its do important we continue with lockdown until vaccines . . .”.

357690 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Laurence, 4, #284 of 2133 🔗

Fauci will start walking it back once Hid(d)en/Barris are in WH.

357850 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Laurence, 4, #285 of 2133 🔗

That line about hospitals being trapped by the stupidly of their pcr test regime and these folk becoming bed blockers was telling. If you keep telling lies to maintain a narrative its going to come and bite you in the ass eventually!!

358745 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Laurence, 3, #286 of 2133 🔗

Heart attacks and strokes take ten times as many as Covid.

357441 l835, replying to l835, 33, #287 of 2133 🔗

Maybe there would be fewer children food poverty if Boris stood up to the teachers and reopened schools? It amuses me that this time last year, teachers couldn’t pour enough scorn on parents who ‘home educated’ their children or took them out of school for a few days holiday. Teachers and nurses holding our lives to ransom.

357455 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to l835, 5, #288 of 2133 🔗

Let them eat carrots

357470 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 5, #289 of 2133 🔗

No way, carrots help you to see better.

357442 Ganjan21, 12, #290 of 2133 🔗

Most people I have heard of who have tested positive appeared to have caught Covid in hospital. All that PPE working then?

357448 kh1485, 17, #291 of 2133 🔗

Great quote posted by Simon Dolan on gab:

“Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter one’s thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. It is the right which they first of all strike down.”

Escaped slave – Frederick Douglass c 1860

357451 Cecil B, 35, #292 of 2133 🔗

£80,000 a year plus £80,000 tax free expenses. The boss says that there is no need for you to come into work, he’ll sort everything out for you

Inside information on what shares to buy and sell

As long as you sit on your hands the job is guaranteed for five years with every chance of a further five years

Even if you get the heave ho in five years time there is a big fat pension awaiting that will see you ok for the rest of your days

Do they really give a flying about the bloke down the road who loses his job and tops himself? I very much doubt it

357453 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 6, #293 of 2133 🔗

I place as much faith in Steve Baker as I would of Felix Steiner.

357459 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #294 of 2133 🔗

Reading Steiner’s biog I think we need to surround Baker by margin of 10-1.

357454 Natalie Shay, replying to Natalie Shay, 23, #295 of 2133 🔗

What has happened to Lockdown Sceptics?
I’m moving further away from this site because of the absolutely lunatic assumption we need an experimental drug misleading called a vaccine to get us out of this.
Aside from the fact it’s simply unnecessary this will set a forever precendent none of us will ever escape from – this is pure medical tyranny!
Please look up Biderman’s Chart Of Coercion (included here) or Problem – Reaction – Solution as a way for Government or Unelected Multi-National Corporations to get us to where they can essentially profit forever from this.

357469 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Natalie Shay, 19, #296 of 2133 🔗

Unfortunately, it looks as if the snake oil is the only escape route.At the very least, that possibility has to be taken into account.
If the danger from covvie is a mass delusion, it’s rather appropriate that the escape route should be another mass delusion. We don’t actually have to believe in either,

357507 ▶▶▶ Natalie Shay, replying to Annie, 8, #297 of 2133 🔗

‘This trend of global governance functioning by medical diktat is now a trend that shall take hold indefinitely. A powerful lobby of elites will overshadow national governments, demanding that they take stringent public health steps without any regard for the damage they may cause. Scientists have now been elevated, their advice put above everything else – they shall now hold power that they have never held before.’

358215 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Natalie Shay, 3, #298 of 2133 🔗

Valentine’s day is a good target to end this nightmare.

357613 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Annie, 2, #299 of 2133 🔗

True but the profit-motive is a by-product not the main purpose of the scam imo which is to subjugate and impoverish the non-elite and destroy the economy. We are in a war just not one with bombs (yet) ..

357457 Judgey, 4, #300 of 2133 🔗

An excellent professional analysis presented in a clear concise.
manner. Top marks that man!

If only this article could get national coverage. Could the Daily Mail pick it up?

357458 Mr Taxpayer, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 11, #301 of 2133 🔗

RE: A Doctor Writes…
I’ve copied the anti-BBC paragraphs, tweaked to read as if from me and pasted into a letter to post to the BBC this morning. I choose a letter because the BBC have to assign far more administrative resource to a printed letter than to electronic communication. It costs £25-£50 for them to process the response to a letter. compared to pennies for an e-reply. 6 complaints and the licence fee is neutralised.
Let’s see what they reply with…

357468 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 3, #302 of 2133 🔗

Interesting calculation!

357504 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Annie, 7, #303 of 2133 🔗

Not being particularly adept with numbers I am impressed by the LS commenters and their desire to burrow down into the figures like this.

Similarly the commenters who excavate information from the government spreadsheets. I’ve looked at some of those spreadsheets and they make my eyeballs ache.

357858 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #304 of 2133 🔗

Unfortunately this is what has to be done to expose the lies by commission, lies by omission and inconsistencies in the propaganda line peddled to us. And it doesn’t make for lurid, emotionally-larded tabloid headlines.

357461 Stonecircle, 9, #305 of 2133 🔗

Re: A Senior Doctor Writes
Graph 4
On 4th Jan – 200 admitted to London hospitals having tested positive
-800 inpatients tested positive
-7000 inpatients have tested positive

It would be good to know what percentage of the positive tested 800 inpatients were admitted to hospital for reasons unrelated to Covid and caught the virus there. This must be a substantial percentage as all those who develop Covid symptoms at home are asked to get a test immediately. Some will be unable to do this as they may not have access
to a car. Others will find the procedure too much for them.

It looks as though far too many people are still getting infected while in hospital. Why have separate Covid isolation hospitals not been created?

In round terms the average Covid patient stays in hospital for a week. Surely fewer people would need hospital treatment – and their stay reduced – if antivirals, anticoagulants and other treatments were administered to people in their homes as soon as they become ill. Other countries are doing this successfully – Russia for one.

An autoimmune response is when the immune system misidentifies healthy tissue as diseased. It then starts attacking and destroying it. Rheumatoid arthritis is an example.

The government’s rules and restrictions, whose architects are Whitty, Vallance, Hancock and Johnson, have created an autoimmune disease at a societal level. The rules are destroying the healthy “tissue” of society – the development of young children/young people, the way people relate to each other and the population’s physical and mental health.

357463 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 44, #306 of 2133 🔗

It is clear that a few dozen Conservative MPs could bring the lockdown madness to an end. The means is readily available, as shown by Steve Baker’s intervention, holding out the threat of a leadership contest. But his almost immediate expression of loyalty to the leader alas equally clearly shows that there simply isn’t anything like enough lockdown scepticism on the Conservative backbenches. There are more than enough Conservative MPs would are critical of the lockdowns, but almost all of those MPs are apparently not sufficiently brave enough to reject the notion that trying to defeat the virus is, at best a fool’s errand. They apparently know that the lockdowns kill, and do so on a bigger scale than the virus, but cannot find the courage to publicly condemn the childishly stupid “If it saves one life” rhetoric. Those MPs, in my judgement, are guilty of cowardice.

I have never accused anyone of cowardice before. But the enormity of the crimes that have been, and are being committed, in the name of combating the virus are the most serious assault on our rights and liberties, our lives and livelihoods, our culture and our ways of being, that there is a clear and obvious moral imperative to resist the authoritarian madness. Those who are in favour of the lockdowns are actively guilty of crimes against humanity, and those who refuse to do whatever they can to oppose the lockdowns are collaborators. Those Tory MPs, who know that the lockdowns are wrong, but will not use their power to trigger a leadership contest are effectively collaborators. If they were to use their power, they could bring about a speedy end to the madness.

This has long been obvious. When Lockdown Version One was introduced, either they did not exist or they were so few and unorganised, they had no opportunity to be effective. But ever since Lockdown Version Two was suggested that has not been the case. There was already enough of them and the moral, social and economic arguments for a principled opposition were clear enough. Yet their opposition has never risen above mere empty words: enough to absolve them (in their own eyes) of guilt, but never enough to even give the government more than a passing thought for parliamentary tactics.

Anyone who has the power to prevent the terrible harm being done has the moral duty to do so. The Conservative MPs, who oppose the lockdowns, should inform Number Ten that the madness has to end, now. They should inform Number Ten that absent an immediate end to the lockdowns and a clear commitment to never resort to such policies in the future, they will immediately trigger a leadership contest. That is the least they can do.

357497 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #307 of 2133 🔗

Good post Steve, and agree completely. There has been too much talk and not enough action. They have been ‘persuaded’ by SAGE-concocted dodgy scientific dossiers, without either the ability or the will to question them. Correct, they are cowards. It might have been easy to cast political expediency prior to 31 December for the apparent silence. Johnson is now surplus to requirements relative to that, if it was indeed a motivation to keep him in post.

357467 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 12, #308 of 2133 🔗

Just had this from the Beeb regarding my complaint about the ‘blood on hands’ comment the other week:

Dear Ms H

Thank you for getting in touch about our article Covid rule-breakers ‘have blood on their hands’ ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55479018 ).

The article was reporting the comments of an intensive care doctor, who told BBC Radio 5 Live of his concerns with pressures on UK intensive care.

We recognise that these were strong comments but, as the views of a senior medical professional on the frontline providing healthcare during with the pandemic, we think they were newsworthy in raising matters of clear public interest.

Some readers also objected to the fact that the article did not mention those with valid exemptions from wearing masks.

We think most readers would understand Prof Montgomery’s comments to be referring not to those who have an exemption from wearing masks but those who choose not to do so and otherwise do not socially distance or wash their hands.

That is also why our headline referred to “rule-breakers,” which by definition wouldn’t include anyone with a valid exemption.

We have of course reported the rules on wearing masks in some detail, notably in our article Coronavirus: What are the rules for face masks or face coverings? ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51205344 ) where there’s a section focusing on exemptions.

However after considering the point further we have linked this article high up in the piece, where it’s now showing as the first of five links which appear under the fifth paragraph and offer readers more information.

Thank you once again for getting in touch.

Kind regards,

BBC Complaints Team

357479 ▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to kh1485, 11, #309 of 2133 🔗

I do hope that when you complained you did so in the form of a posted letter, preferably hand-written. It requires far more resource to open a letter, read it, determine who has to respond to it. Potentially scan it to send to the respondee, compose the response, print it and post it out.
They also have to store the letter for GDPR.
Currently during Covid, e-complaints are being dealt with by staff working at home. Physical letters means they have to go to the expense of creating a covid secure space for staff. Make them suffer like they are perpetuating the suffering of the private sector.

357486 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 7, #310 of 2133 🔗

Good point. Increase the inconvenience for all these work from home on full pay organisations.

357531 ▶▶▶▶ BMWman, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #311 of 2133 🔗

Great idea. If we all tried we could get rid of the Beeb and just disseminate through a UK Glenn Beck. Way easier to coordinate our march on the local town hall.

357499 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 4, #312 of 2133 🔗

No I didn’t but I take your point.

357536 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 5, #313 of 2133 🔗

They still sent an email response to my complaint letter to them – didn’t even cost them the price of a stamp!

358897 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #314 of 2133 🔗

Why did they have your email address?

357512 ▶▶ iane, replying to kh1485, 9, #315 of 2133 🔗

Funny how they never raise the concerns of senior doctors and researchers who oppose the lockdowns and their usefulness vs damage!

357631 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 2, #316 of 2133 🔗

Note: those who choose not to do so and otherwise do not socially distance or wash their hands. You disgusting unwashed horde!

Thanks for doing this on our behalf. You can escalate it but you’ll just get the same bullshit back after a delay in my experience.

357876 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kh1485, 4, #317 of 2133 🔗

Also the bbc you did not report that this “front line medic” was also a left wing political activists? Did you counter this with an opinion from the other side of the political spectrum? Why were none of his figures challenged?

357472 Cecil B, 21, #318 of 2133 🔗

Wake up folks

There is a clue in the title


You cannot reason with a dictatorship

A dictatorship does not read you letters

A dictatorship cannot be persuaded

A dictatorship does not relinquish power

A dictatorship has absolute power

If it didn’t it wouldn’t be a dictatorship

357474 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 2, #319 of 2133 🔗

I’ve heard so much conflicting advice about what to do if stopped by the old bill while out on a walk. All the information and comments here seem to apply to England and Scotland, not Wales where I live. I’ve been told that Drakeford has insisted we “stay at home“ under all circumstances and I’m worried about being confronted on my walk this morning. I’m going to drive to a supermarket near the coast (thus “legally” shopping) and then go for a walk along a fairly well-known river path. I will probably bring a thermos of something hot and be with a friend. I’m confused as to what is law and what is guidelines only in Wales. Can anyone enlighten me please?

357488 ▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to Melangell, 1, #320 of 2133 🔗

search “legislation coronavirus wales”. Only open the links on http://www.legislation.gov.uk

357515 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 8, #321 of 2133 🔗

This is the summary of what you must do:

  • Follow social distancing rules with people you don’t live with or who are not in your support bubble.
  • Wear a face covering (if you are able to) in all indoor public places.
  • Stay at home.
  • Not create an extended household (single adults or single parents may join with one other household to form an exclusive support bubble).
  • Meet only the people you live with or your support bubble indoors.
  • Meet only your household or support bubble in private gardens.
  • Meet only your household or support bubble outdoors.
  • Work from home if you can.
  • Not travel without reasonable excuse.
  • Not travel internationally without reasonable excuse.

How you can simultaneously stay at home, and meet your support bubble outdoors, is not explained.
On the principle that what is not forbidden is allowed, I can’t see why you shouldnmt walk anywhere you want.

357518 ▶▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Annie, 8, #322 of 2133 🔗

Wow I thought the rules in England were bad, this is incomprehensible.

357555 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ambwozere, 3, #323 of 2133 🔗

Northern Ireland ones are even more ludicrous

357537 ▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Annie, 2, #324 of 2133 🔗

Thank you, Mr T and Annie. Unfortunately the website states that:
“There are no legal limits on the kind of exercise that is permitted. However, in practice, this will be constrained by other alert level 4 restrictions requiring exercise to start and finish at home”
This is mentioned under the heading of coronavirus rules and legislation, which makes it unclear as to whether this is a rule or a legislation. It is my joy and delight to walk by the estuary or on the coast to watch the birds and other wildlife, but I can’t do that without driving, so that’s why am trying to get really clear on this.

357566 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Melangell, 1, #325 of 2133 🔗

I don’t know for sure but last time I looked at England there is no legislation related to where or how far you can go, all the legislation does is specify that you must have a reasonable reason for leaving the house. They provide a list that is not exhaustive and anything outside of that list is down to the discretion of the police officer stopping you. Obviously they have implied that the rules relate to where you can go but the legislation itself does not. I expect Wales is the same but don’t quote me on it.

357596 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Melangell, 5, #326 of 2133 🔗

Who decides what’s a ‘reasonable excuse’? ‘For my mental health’ sounds reasonable to me ..

357720 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Melangell, 4, #327 of 2133 🔗

It doesn’t say that you have to start and finish at home with no vehicle involved.

357592 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Annie, 3, #328 of 2133 🔗

Complete flannel
No-one is taking any notice – the roads werre packed this morning

357724 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #329 of 2133 🔗

Absolutely.That’s what the legislation says, is all.

357550 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #331 of 2133 🔗

Thanks, but I’ve already read this and like I said It’s really unclear what are guidelines as distinct from rules. I need to know this if challenged by plod. I suppose I can’t really believe that this has actually been passed into law. Even my friends in Scotland are allowed to drive in order to go for a walk.

357743 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #332 of 2133 🔗

about as useful as the Welsh language

357554 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Melangell, 3, #333 of 2133 🔗

First rule of hiking… always carry emergency refreshments. You know, to stay safe and all that.

357588 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Melangell, 2, #334 of 2133 🔗

The roads are normal in Caerdydd – if this is a lockdown then it is most definitely a LINO

357475 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 17, #335 of 2133 🔗

Remember boys/girls and those who don’t identify themselves as either. Everything time you talk about “the vaccine” whether with friends colleagues or strangers in the street always refer to it as the experimental vaccine . Why? because words are important it emphasizes exactly what this poison is. That word experimental will play on peoples minds whilst at the same time not making you sound like a anti-vaxxr

357490 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Andrew K, 11, #336 of 2133 🔗

I can assure you Andrew any criticism of the vax has had me labelled an anti vaxxer. These people are programmed into the Matrix they respond like a good Agent Smith.

357541 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #337 of 2133 🔗

You can say things like,

I can’t wait to have this experimental vaccine shame I’m low down on the waiting list for this!
So first of all you come across as somebody who wants it and not an anti-vaxxer! But you see what you’ve done, you’ve placed little seeds of doubt into peoples minds. it’s called NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming)

357494 ▶▶ BMWman, replying to Andrew K, 4, #338 of 2133 🔗

Hahaha. Yeah. Remember that “everything time”. Crikey I was feeling a bit down after this week till I found people like you were out here to cheer us up. Go on, keep going odd job 😀

357704 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to BMWman, #339 of 2133 🔗

Oops that was a typo

357503 ▶▶ BMWman, replying to Andrew K, #340 of 2133 🔗

This is genius. You actually exist?!

357513 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Andrew K, 4, #341 of 2133 🔗

Good point, I will be applauding anyone with sarcasim and congratulating them on getting the experimental vaccine.

357758 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Andrew K, 5, #342 of 2133 🔗

Not even a vaccine. An experimental biologic agent, akin to a rare snakebite antidote or untested therapies for severely ill cancer patients etc.

357831 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Andrew K, 4, #343 of 2133 🔗

A nice twist that. Good idea.

The brilliant experimental vaccine… where they have developed this new biological agent to tackle this terrible virus and test it in a such a record short time. It’s fantastic!

If you can do feigned enthusiasm this would help….

357851 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andrew K, 1, #344 of 2133 🔗

Good one. The more we emphasise this the more we’ll plant the seeds of doubt in people.

357482 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 25, #345 of 2133 🔗

I see the free school meals distraction story is rearing its head in the media again. Of course, all of the usual suspects (the Twitter blue tick crowd) are relishing in the chance to virtue-signal and pontificate, but who is going to have the bollocks to speak up and say “hang on – won’t impoverished children be better served by ACTUALLY attending school?”

I suspect none of them would dare float such a dangerous, irresponsible solution…

357500 ▶▶ alw, replying to Scotty87, 7, #346 of 2133 🔗

It also highlights the corrupt tendering projects of public bodies.

357502 ▶▶ BMWman, replying to Scotty87, 1, #347 of 2133 🔗

Isn’t that what you’re meant to dare to do you (I’ll help – it is).

357505 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 3, #348 of 2133 🔗

It’s not just virtue signalling but they’re afraid of being branded as “selfish” and “granny killers”

357508 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Scotty87, 6, #349 of 2133 🔗

Yes, children suffering abuse at the hands of evil predators and not having access to the tools for them to participate in education, still as long as they get a pack lunch it’s ok.

357534 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Scotty87, 3, #350 of 2133 🔗

You might have thought that those children whose poverty means the state needs to partly feed them would be the same as those who do not possess a laptop which itself defines them as ‘vulnerable’ and thus eligible for live education in school.

357485 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #351 of 2133 🔗

Off topic but did CNN know and take part in the Capitol building raid?:

357562 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Awkward Git, #352 of 2133 🔗

What are we looking at here? Are these known CNN reporters?

357618 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PoshPanic, #353 of 2133 🔗

CNN certainly was there, had their reporter live soon after with one of the main instigators she accompanied inside, he has since been arrested (spaced out wannabe revolutionary from the look of things). (Not the horned ‘sack of Rome’ LARPer)

357636 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #354 of 2133 🔗

Thanks. You’d think that she would have been arrested too.

357733 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #355 of 2133 🔗

USA is eating itself

358641 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #356 of 2133 🔗

If you listen close they discuss editing out things so they cannot be recognised.

CNN also showed clips that could only be taken from inside during the building by their reporter Jade Sacker at the time.

357767 ▶▶ mj, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #357 of 2133 🔗

just been listening to BBC R4 Media Show , about free speech v internet which includes interview with someone from Parler. It takes an expected BBC MSM view.
However it also referred to ITV reporters also being present at the Capitol, and they have a separate programme covering this . . Mentioned about FBI wanting access to the raw footage but ITV not releasing until they get a court order. Wonder what they are trying to hide.

357493 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, #358 of 2133 🔗

Can someone please precis The truth about the COVID-19 vaccine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFntHpk1uok&feature=emb_logo -I don’t have an hour to watch it. Thanks

357524 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to arfurmo, 7, #359 of 2133 🔗

She gives facts about the HCQ cover ups, pressure from big pharma to cover up it’s effectiveness.

Then gives a detailed explanation of all the issues this experimental vaccine has. from lack of testing, issues already seen, past issues that have been ignored and how they want to push this out to black people first.

357546 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Andrew K, 3, #360 of 2133 🔗

yes I think her main takeaway is the lack of testing; and the immunity from liability which big pharma has been given, leaving them with no motivation whatsoever to strive to get it right. She concludes that it makes absolutely no sense on a straightforward risk assessment analysis for anyone under the age of 80 to take this vaccine, and while she applauds the public-spiritedness of those who fully informed might nevertheless be prepared to put themselves forward as guinea pigs, she deplores the duping of the population into taking part in clinical trials, in the belief that they are taking a rational step in reducing their risk of disease and death. Her organisation is resolved to fight the mandating of this participation in a medical experiment, wherever it occurs.

357563 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to JaneHarry, #361 of 2133 🔗

Thanks both .

357575 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to arfurmo, 1, #362 of 2133 🔗

Simone Gold. She wants everyone to sign the petition
https://stopmedicaldiscrimination.org so that the American Frontline Doctors can confront the airlines and other organisations with a million signatures..

358188 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to PastImperfect, #363 of 2133 🔗


357498 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 9, #364 of 2133 🔗

EU leaders draw up coronavirus vaccine passports to restart foreign travel

The hope of avoiding being coerced into accepting this “vaccine” is looking increasingly forlorn. And it’s not just about holidays either: some of us have to travel for work (or used to…).

357509 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to mattghg, 13, #365 of 2133 🔗

Let the black market open for fake vaccine I.D cards……………

357843 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #366 of 2133 🔗

The dark web always provides – start getting some Bitcoins (or any crypto)

357565 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to mattghg, 3, #367 of 2133 🔗
357567 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to mattghg, 6, #368 of 2133 🔗

As someone who has taken vaccines, in order to travel for work, this still really bothers me.

357611 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to mattghg, 12, #369 of 2133 🔗

This is a psy op and a bluff to encourage frightened people to take up the vaccine. The only mandatory vaccination for travel by WHO was yellow fever, smallpox in earlier days and cholera for entering selected countries. Historically, maritime staff was required to have smallpox vaccine. Never a travel vaccine for flu. This vaccine is not approved in the formal sense but EAU.It is already 10 times more anaphylaxis than flu vaccine. It has already had more problems than the earlier trials with a few deaths unexplained and more deaths in elderly post vaccine that the Norwegian gov not recommending it to the very frail elderly. It cannot be given to pregnant and children and those with severe allergy. And we are only in 4 weeks of mass vaccination and has not counted the Bells palsy and other known side effects. No chance it can be mandatory.

357634 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to swedenborg, #370 of 2133 🔗

Vax injuries can be collated and perused here

Gab groups

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054

357637 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to swedenborg, #371 of 2133 🔗

I hope you’re right!

357710 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to swedenborg, 4, #372 of 2133 🔗

It won’t be legally-mandated by the Government, but litigation-whipped Corporate Britain will follow the advice of their legal teams and, in effect, do HMG’s dirty work for them by default. Proof of recent treatment by an mRNA therapeutic agent will- in effect- be necessary to participate in civic society. And that will be the thin end of the wedge. To get a gander at the other end of the doorstop, look East.

357725 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 3, #373 of 2133 🔗

Salesforce, Oracle and Microsoft are working on this. Huge power. Not a psyop, its infrastructure that will have to be used.

357874 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #374 of 2133 🔗

At the moment the tabloids are not reporting the side effect of the vaccine following Gov instructions. Just wait a few weeks in this fierce capitalist competition in the gutter press. Falling revenues etc. You will soon see headlines in Daily Mail “My employer forced me to killer vaccine which ended my pregnancy” “Granny died of experimental vaccine after eating her birthday cake”.
The Anglo-Sachsian countries have an enormous amount of lawyers hungry for fees and litigations (one commented that Japan’s success compared to US was owing to having 20 times less lawyers). In the very unlikely event passports/ test pass were to be required an enormous profitable corrupting system would be in place for everyone not abiding. Already in Gothenburg Sweden, a private travel clinic has issued false test certificate for tourists going abroad. Wouldn’t we have vaccination/test certificates issued in North Macedonia, Moldova and Bangladesh?. How are the planes going to be filled without children and pregnant women etc? No,I think it is an abominable psy op.

358115 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to swedenborg, 2, #375 of 2133 🔗

Monday morning, on my way to the early session at Sainsbury, I had to wait while an ambulance reversed out from a property and then sped off towards the local hospital. Wednesday, on my way to the farm shop, an ambulance with flashing blue lights came in the opposite direction. These are the only ambulances I can remember having seen on these regular trips over the past nine months. But, of course, vaccinations began in the village last week. Just coincidence, no doubt.

357719 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #377 of 2133 🔗

Just watched this. An excellent defence of hesitancy

357737 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #378 of 2133 🔗

I am trying to get videos like this to everyone I know who might be thinking of getting the vaccine.

357519 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #379 of 2133 🔗

Son been told by his friends in Poland that their governemnt is telling peopel not to use mouthwash before doing a cvid etst as this gives means they chances of a positive test are much lower.

Wonder why that warning has gone out?

Of course, the Poles now mouthwash before getting swabbed.

357587 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #380 of 2133 🔗

Very interesting.Virus seem to be higher in saliva and certain mouthwash with Peptidine has been used in Bangladesh as prophylactic with good result.

357599 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #381 of 2133 🔗

There have been a number of reports of mouthwash reducing covid;

It seems to be cetylpyridinium chloride that has the effect, it is in Lidl cheapo mouthwash, I checked.

357609 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #382 of 2133 🔗

Viral marketing?

357653 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #383 of 2133 🔗

bloody brilliant. H2O2 (3%) also works

357779 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 1, #384 of 2133 🔗

Thought that was used for bleaching hair?

357815 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Annie, 1, #385 of 2133 🔗


358352 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, #386 of 2133 🔗

Hydrogen peroxide has many beneficial uses. Off to the shops now (!), but let me know if you want info but can’t find it.

357688 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #387 of 2133 🔗

That’s useful to know, AG.

357520 Thomasina, replying to Thomasina, 33, #388 of 2133 🔗

Although a certified Lockdown Sceptic I am also a reader of The Telegraph but I was really annoyed by one of the articles in yesterdays issue.’Record 1564 Covid-related deaths reported, but cases fall’ – so what most of us are thinking is gawd 1564 people died on Wednesday of Covid – thats terrible it just keeps rising. Okay so I start reading the text – ‘the new deaths are largely spread throughout the week and some which occurred in November’ – so 1564 people didnt die on Wednesday at all then? I continued reading – ‘The UK is yet to hit the daily death levels seen in the first wave, when some 1072 people died on April 8th. So far the worst day in the 2nd wave has been Jan 7th when just under 850 people died’. Now hang on a second so the reality is that about half of the headline actually died that day. There is a huge difference between 1564 and (less than) 850!!! Spin, spin and more spin. Fearmongering and anxiety inducing at its best from The Telegraph. Disgraceful but of course following the Gov narrative as instructed.

357533 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Thomasina, 11, #389 of 2133 🔗

All of the MSM, and of course, the numpties in Parliament, keep pushing that narrative too. One would think they had no incentive to interrogate the data!

357591 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Thomasina, 6, #390 of 2133 🔗

What also needs adding hundreds of elderly people would by dying with a virus in early January in any year, less so in April. With the peak of symptomatic CCP Virus passed Bunter has no genuine reason to delay a phased re-opening into next month.

357686 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Thomasina, 3, #391 of 2133 🔗

Cancelled my subscription last week, T. If I want to be marinaded in Globalist/NWO propaganda I’ve got a TV set in the corner of my living room.

357525 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #392 of 2133 🔗

I have had a brief read of the intensive care report from ICNARC – https://www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports -as referred to by the secret doctor above

What strikes me is how few over 80’s there are (peak category are people in their 60’s) – it looks like the medics basically give up on the over 80’s as not being saveable (over 80’s represent about 54% of the hospital deaths) and are concentrating on people who they think they might save

About 35% of critical care patients do not survive. 80% of non ventilator patients make it through while about 1/2 of invasively ventilated patients survive

357543 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Aslangeo, 6, #393 of 2133 🔗

I’ve read, from a doctor, that the very elderly are unlikely to be put on a ventilator as weaning off is nigh on impossible so it is a fruitless and traumatic endeavour. Perhaps a medic on here can confirm?

357646 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to WasSteph, 5, #394 of 2133 🔗

This is true. In Ireland in the spring 95% of hospitals deaths did not reach ICU. They were too frail to be given such invasive treatment. It only serves to show that the virus is not moving the dial very much on when people die, years lost.

Lockdowns are. Anywhere between 200,000 and 500,000 according to Bristol University and the governments own estimates.

357794 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #395 of 2133 🔗

Is there a crime called “Causing genocide by Ignorance?”
If there isn’t there should be.

357905 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #396 of 2133 🔗

Ivor Cummings shows this in his fantastic YouTube videos.

357582 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #397 of 2133 🔗

The below picture from Sweden is very instructive and most likely the same in UK.In that picture you have ICU cared, and deaths(avlidna).Very few over 80 in ICU and almost none over 90.
But see the deaths 90 % over 70 and amost 30% over 90. The selection is clear of who will end up in ICU

357901 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #398 of 2133 🔗

Firstly, there are some patients, many in fact, for whom ITU and invasive ventilation are never beneficial. There needs to be a good chance of full recovery and enough muscle strength to be able to wean the patient off the ventilator or device and cardiac, renal and liver function needs to also be good enough to recover. The frail elderly very rarely have this. Also, many of the seriously ill are already in hospital with other illnesses which they are unlikely to recover from or are in themselves terminal. In these cases it is unethical to bring them into ITU.

357527 PastImperfect, 5, #399 of 2133 🔗
357528 alw, replying to alw, 13, #400 of 2133 🔗

The capacity to consent to be given a vaccine should be highlighted. So many of the elderly do not have capacity. Who is going to be the decision maker. The husband’s 99 year old pleasantly demented mother is having her first dose today. She lives in her own home and is cared for by my husband’s brother. Her only outings are daily walks round the block, visits from my husband, the weekly cleaners and occasionally the hairdresser. I have shown the husband the article from Norway and have made my views known….am a retired Social Worker and fully understand the Mental Capacity Act. Will report back.

357860 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to alw, 6, #401 of 2133 🔗

We have already destroyed our society, bankrupted thousands of businesses, denied medical treatment to those that need it, denied children education, sport, fun and companionship, generated huge numbers of unemployed (hidden for now, but not for long) and created a massive mental health crisis through forced imprisonment, all in order to keep 99 year old pleasantly demented old ladies from dying from covid when they will almost certainly die from something else in the very near future. I believe this is at the very, very best, a case of misplaced priorities.

Now, we are vaccinating them with or without their consent as another misplaced priority.

That belief makes me a granny killer does it?

I am elderly too, and won’t be taking any vaccine, I offer my place in the jab queue to any deluded individual that thinks it will do them any good.

357882 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to alw, 4, #402 of 2133 🔗

Corona Ausschuss in Germany had a very interesting conference recently where they talked to people who are professional Power of attorney/ advisers to vulnerable people.
A social worker reported of experiences with people in care homes who are still mentally capable and who had told her they do not want to take the vaccine are being coerced – forced to take it by the care home by being told family cannot visit, if they leave the home for a walk they may be refused to come back in, isolated to their room etc.

357539 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #403 of 2133 🔗

Will Israel lead the way in opening up?

357803 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #404 of 2133 🔗

If they ban beards to make mask wearing more effective, then they may do.

357910 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Old Bill, 1, #405 of 2133 🔗

Those twirly sideburns probably don’t help either.

357545 alw, replying to alw, 22, #406 of 2133 🔗

From the Torygraph this morning. Not a success.

357549 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to alw, 23, #407 of 2133 🔗

It’s brilliant, isn’t it? The propaganda campaign is dying a slow, painful death. This will have the government’s behavioural scientists very worried indeed…

357570 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to alw, 9, #408 of 2133 🔗

😄 😄 😄

357649 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 8, #409 of 2133 🔗

Any person that clapped is a collaborator and should be called out for supporting the Covid/Vaccine only NHS that fails to provide care for the majority of the population

359498 ▶▶▶ Naomi, replying to Victoria, #410 of 2133 🔗

Never mind metaphorical blood on hands, I daydream about lashing them with my tongue. A literal slap too, just to introduce them to the concept of alternative approach.

357838 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to alw, #411 of 2133 🔗

If only there was a new Coronavirus that infected sore hands

357856 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to alw, 2, #412 of 2133 🔗

I think people are getting fed up and are hopefully waking up to the fact that the worship of the NHS is part of the reason why we’re in this mess.

357947 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #413 of 2133 🔗

I am utterly sick of hearing about the bloody NHS…its not good enough for them now to go to work and do their job they seem to think they are entitled to tell us how to live our lives as well. Never mind defund the Police or the BBC…lets defund the NHS god.

357547 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #414 of 2133 🔗

Graph of NHS staff absence – from NHS hospital data

non Covid related in blue, Covid related in in Orange

The rate of absence now is a lot less than in the spring

357640 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #415 of 2133 🔗


357553 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 13, #416 of 2133 🔗

‘Vaccine Passport’ alert

BBC this morning talking about it…..
Vine on Channel 5 talking about it now…..

“No Jab NO JOB”……..

I never agree with wan@@er Kevin Maguire but he says the employee lawyers could have a strong case against forcing Vaccine Passports?……

David Icke/Vernon Coleman and many others were certainly right about where we are heading……..

357579 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #417 of 2133 🔗

No signature – no jab
The vaccine proforma letters are brutal


357556 chaos, 2, #418 of 2133 🔗

“Hello, Sir. Do You Need a Mask?”

357559 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #419 of 2133 🔗


LOL – this twitter of Pelosi is unbelievable!!

357574 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #420 of 2133 🔗

No need to bury or cremate her – she’s pickled.

357560 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 55, #421 of 2133 🔗

Toby Young always come out too feeble in his response to attacks. We can’t blame him. Let us face this fact. One year ago, Toby Young, journalists,650 MPs, the majority of the population had hardly a clue what a virus was and even less a pandemic virus. The few people in the know were prepared with pandemic flu guidelines even as late as October 2019. Experience from Asiatic flu and Singapore flu outbreak had given a consensus, well established, that there were very few measures available in a normal functioning society i.e. only some SD measure early in the pandemic trying to slow the spread a bit. The main preparedness was to have a capable heath system, which all parties in the UK had reduced by cutting beds 30 % with an increasing elderly population growing 20% and no planning for smaller fever hospitals perhaps using some of the remaining cottage hospitals.

One year later we have MPs, journalists, commentators even in todays update, discussing as a stated fact, that lockdown has an effect of flow of patients, infection rates etc. It has suddenly become a received wisdom, evidence of fact, that lockdown works. The reality is that lockdown is a new experimental concept, done in a totalitarian society, which did not even do it on a national level. This is the biggest untested experiment in the history.

In the current debate, LD proponents should be the ones defending a new untested experiment citing evidence (there are 30 studies against) that it is worth doing, including covering the collateral costs which are hushed down. This new experiment is now the common ground and any opponents is a crank with blood on their hands. They have taken control of the debate and LD sceptics is always on the defence. The first line of defence for Toby Young to his fellow Tory MP would be this, how can a Tory MP ever swallow a complete new Public Health Concept created by the Chinese Communist Party?

I think LD sceptic is a wrong term. It gives the impression that you might accept LD but in modified version, LD lite. This is an unfortunate term which doesn’t suit our cause at all.
Lockdown, quarantine of the healthy, is a monstrous experiment, which have no place in a democratic state. It has enormous escalating collateral costs and more importantly, there is no evidence of having any effect in the long run of infection rate, deaths. On the contrary, it might increase deaths and infection by selecting more transmissible virus to infect the most vulnerable.

357569 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to swedenborg, 7, #422 of 2133 🔗

Brilliant summary. Spot on.

357583 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to swedenborg, 5, #423 of 2133 🔗

Agreed , excellent summary

357610 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 4, #424 of 2133 🔗

Agree with your conclusions about lockdown, but I think in order to get a seat at the table and to get the LD sceptic point across to a wider audience, some diplomacy is required.
I don’t think we’ll ever win the argument with a single tactic.

357620 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to swedenborg, 2, #425 of 2133 🔗

Superb post.

357633 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 6, #426 of 2133 🔗

I think Bob put it best

357682 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to swedenborg, 7, #427 of 2133 🔗

Excellent points. I’ve always been ‘sceptical’ of the term lockdown sceptic. In my case, I’ve always been (from the start) a lockdown opponent.

357781 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #428 of 2133 🔗

Much better description! I am vehemently opposed to lockdown

357773 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to swedenborg, 3, #429 of 2133 🔗

Lockdown critic instead?

357855 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to swedenborg, 2, #430 of 2133 🔗

Lockdown opponent? Because at heart, that’s what we are. We oppose lockdowns because they’re inhumane, highly damaging, and ineffective.

357967 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to swedenborg, 4, #431 of 2133 🔗

He is not jumping on the counter narrative as he does not want to be labelled an anti vaxer. But he never counters this blood on your hands bullshit with the counter that what about all the deaths CAUSED by lockdown and the nhs being closed? All the inhumane treatment of cancer patients. People whose deaths are directly attributed to lack of care from the nhs. The people with serious depression. The poor fuckers who think the only option left to them is suicide. The two million people made unemployed by government policy. All the people dying at home, alone, terrified. The children having their childhood ripped away from them, having to wear a mask, being unable to see or interact with their friends. The death toll for real respiratory deaths caused directly by this virus is fucking miniscule compared to the deaths caused by lockdown.
Toby if you can’t see this and your only worry is being left on the outside and with a non compliance stamp perhaps you should hand this job over to someone else who is going to better defend our point of view. Either put up or STFU.

357571 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #432 of 2133 🔗

Here is a surprise.

On 4th January Mr Johnson said, as part of his justification for introducing a national lockdown, that over the previous week the number of deaths was up 20% .

What a twister I thought (an opinion I expressed on these pages) he’s comparing a week were deaths of been over reported with the week over Christmas were they have been under-reported. (i.e reported deaths in the 28th December to 3rd January with the week the 21st December to the 27th December.)

The true figures* would show a different story!

They don’t, not much just 17.5%.

BUT – I checked the daily reported figures, which I assumed Mr. Johnson was basing his claim on – the percentage he could have claimed was 30%!

He was happy to quote the highest daily figure he could for cases which occurred a week earlier rather than the latest available, so why not this higher percentage?

He’s not a chappy who’s known for knowingly underselling owt.

Had he simply misread his script? Saw the numeral ‘2’ rather than ‘3’ ? – a smudge on the paper perhaps?

* Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date of death as shown on https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

357726 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #433 of 2133 🔗

Alas it is too late for me to correct my post above. It should have written:

deaths have been over reported


reported deaths in the week 28th December to 3rd January

Hopefully they were obvious errors and didn’t cause the point I was making to be misunderstood.

357573 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #434 of 2133 🔗

The patients are frightened to death. They cannot be unfrightened even if anybody wanted to.

The damage is irreversible, they will never leave their cells. They will be maintained on a diet of Netflix and lard until the day of their demise

On the upside they are so apathetic that it is beyond them to even raise a mob to come after us

1941 Western Desert

Report by our Special Correspondent

‘Single sceptic Tommy captures 6,000 Covidian troops without a shot being fired. Plucky Tommy Atkins blah blah..’

357954 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, 1, #435 of 2133 🔗

Now now, Cecil, nothing wrong with lard. Very healthy.

I even eat other things every week or so …

357978 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, 1, #436 of 2133 🔗

I am sure I saw that story in a edition of my Victor comic in the 70’s, were they Italian?

357580 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 10, #437 of 2133 🔗

Asking the people who caused the problem in the first place for an exit plan might not work.


Dear Jim’ll Fix It,

Please would you fix it for me to help end child abuse?

Yours sincerely,

Orphaned Child.

357625 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #438 of 2133 🔗

Dear Orphaned Child

Thank you for your letter. There is no child abuse. Where did you get that idea from?


Director General of the BBC

(On Jimmy’s behalf. He’s out of the office at the moment)

357645 ▶▶ Annie, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #439 of 2133 🔗

Dear orphaned child

Jim is the idol of us here at the BBC. We can’t say enough in praise of his tireless efforts to make the world a better place for children.
They will arrange a private interview with Jim for you.
He will undoubtedly fix you.


357673 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 3, #440 of 2133 🔗

Especially if you’re a corpse.

357961 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #441 of 2133 🔗

Dear Telford grooming gangs…will you please stop gang raping under age girls at the back of Kebab shops?

Oh yes of course…why did you not ask us before!

357581 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 10, #442 of 2133 🔗

Just tired now of sending daily sweary emails to the “Contact No 10” website and my local useless Tory MP.

Farage is not to everybody`s taste but Richard Tice is someone who can take the resistance a few steps forward: time to join i think.


357594 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to nickbowes, 1, #443 of 2133 🔗

Do it…….

357624 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 3, #444 of 2133 🔗

It’s more difficult in Whales because Reform are going to take votes away from the “Abolish the Welsh Assembly party” who need to do well for obvious reasons

357694 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #445 of 2133 🔗

If us reduces the Labour vote it basically can’t be bad.

357835 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Annie, #446 of 2133 🔗

Very true
But what Brexit has proven is “one issue” politics works
as in really works
AWAG is a much smarter tactic than Reform

357745 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to nickbowes, 3, #447 of 2133 🔗

Did I read somewhere recently that Farage was supporting Tony Blair in his vaccine rollout protestations? I’d really like to know because, if true, Farage has as much credibility as that yet unprosecuted war criminal.

358025 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #448 of 2133 🔗

Yep, apparently Dr Blair would be perfect to help with the vaccine rollout because he is a good organiser and because he said why give people the second dose (which is when it is stated that this is when the vaccine becomes effective) and just give everyone just one dose.

358080 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #449 of 2133 🔗

Well, Blair was certainly the right choice as middle east peace envoy….after all, why should a million deaths of innocent Iraqis be seen as a stumbling block? I was beginning to warm to Richard Tice but I’m afraid Mr Farage seems to me to be a chancer who just blows with the wind.

357584 LMS2, 4, #450 of 2133 🔗

Further to that video linked above by Will Jones under the roundup section:

“brian davis
13 Jan
Replying to
They literally said exactly this today here in Kansas City. Even after the vaccines everyone will continue to be locked down until May & mask mandate
14 Jan
just happened in australia also”

So it’s all just coincidence and c*ck-up, or collusion?
My money’s on the latter.

357585 niko, replying to niko, 7, #451 of 2133 🔗

Re: Norway Says Very Frail People Should Not Receive Covid Vaccine: “Side Effects May Have Led to Deaths”
Death by Coincidence?

357674 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to niko, 3, #452 of 2133 🔗

The fight against the virus rallying cry is “If it saves one life” yet they have no concern for how many are killed.

357821 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to niko, 1, #453 of 2133 🔗

Some of the symptoms documented over on Gab would ruin the elderly

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054

357909 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to niko, 1, #454 of 2133 🔗

Authorities in Germany looking into vaccine related deaths state that most had underlying health conditions, at least 5 received palliative care.
TBH, why vaccinate someone on their “deathbed”?

358932 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Silke David, #455 of 2133 🔗

Guinea pigs.

357597 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #456 of 2133 🔗

Not entirely sure why anyone would expect a “Freedom Plan” to carry any weight, considering last year and two lockdowns ago we were told that a lockdown is “the nuclear option”. Well, looks like it’s raining nukes these days.

357601 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #457 of 2133 🔗

We are in nuclear winter.

357598 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 7, #458 of 2133 🔗

Yesterday I looked at the graph showing case numbers for my city and discovered before lockdown 3 they were going down but now they going up. On the 4th of January we had 975 cases today we have 1520 now if that isn’t proof lockdown doesn’t work then what is ?
I believe since spring when lockdown was first tried the government and people have been fooled into believing lockdown will reduce the transmission and thus save lives. In spring when this was tried they were lucky sunshine which kills most respiratory germs did it’s job. We also got out more benefiting from fresh air which dilutes germs and vitamin D which boosts our immunity. This together with the immunity acquired through being infected brought down numbers so by summer we were basically back to normal. The government and people believed it was lockdown that had saved us so learning the wrong lesson they made mask wearing mandatory. I believe this was a mistake as a few weeks later numbers began increasing again but surprisingly flu declined. It was if the government was doing all the right things to reduce flu while allowing covid to rip through the country. Now I believe if you eliminate covids competitors such as flu evolution tells us covid will become the dominant virus as it as done. Now we told there’s another variant when scientists know all viruses mutate which I believe the government will use to continue the madness while they roll out the vaccine.

357666 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Derek Toyne, 8, #459 of 2133 🔗

The notion the face mask wearing is the reason for the apparent disappearance of flu is simply not plausible. Face masks do not prevent the transmission of viruses.

358958 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Derek Toyne, #460 of 2133 🔗

I believe flu has disappeared because all URIs are now classed as covid.

357602 Marg, replying to Marg, 6, #461 of 2133 🔗

New York, Norway and Scotland have homes with a large number of deaths and infections following the vaccinations. The increase in infections seem to appear after the roll out in December. I don’t believe in coincidences and it is a colder winter than last year, but to suddenly get such an upsurge is worrying. As the third stage initial trials were predominantly of healthy under 55’s is it ethical to be continuing vaccinating the sick elderly. I believe the result of the third stage is not expected to known until 2022.

357629 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Marg, 5, #462 of 2133 🔗

The fact there is no publically available EU or UK tracker for such events says it all.

357605 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #463 of 2133 🔗

‘Government Quietly Admits PCR False Positive Problem’
Who’d have thought it? Well, Kary Mullis (inventor of the PCR test) said this:

It doesn’t tell you that you are sick. These tests cannot detect free, infectious viruses at all!

But why let a minor problem like a totally useless test get in the way of an agenda driven by an adviser ( Ferguson) whose success rate spanning his entire career is one of utter failure and catastrophic decision making in everything he has meddled in.

357612 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #464 of 2133 🔗

Convenient that the inventor is no longer around to argue that it is being used incorrectly to diagnose + infections.

Videos can be easily censored and removed.

He was pretty scathing of fauci as well.

357615 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to stefarm, 8, #465 of 2133 🔗

Died in August 2019 just before the shitshow began. Just a coincidence no doubt.

357665 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #466 of 2133 🔗

One reads stuff about U.S. Deep State research into virus modification to the end of inducing osteosarcoma in individuals of whom Uncle Sam disapproves. Of course one’s bullshit/false flag filters have to be turned up to max. when perusing this kind of thing. (And I can’t remember where I read it, either.)

357628 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #467 of 2133 🔗

I wonder whether that agenda was set a long time ago, to judge from the paper by ferguson dated 2008:

  • Strategies for mitigating an influenza pandemic Ferguson et al

and his team’s contribution to :
Modeling targeted layered containment of an influenza pandemic in the United States
One thing that both papers prescribe is the early use of prophylactics, yet in this current covid epidemic, any use of HCQ, Vit S ,ivermectin , etc has been suppressed by the govt and media establishment. Strange..

357642 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #468 of 2133 🔗

I suspect this joke of a government will wind down the number of cycles the PCR “tests” are run through, then there will be fewer cases and they can say we have beaten the virus. And the most annoying thing is the plebs will fall for it.

357764 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #469 of 2133 🔗

I’m not so sure.

It’s more likely that we will see an endless cycle of mutant strains, spiking cases, and lockdowns

357747 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #470 of 2133 🔗

PCR is not, and should not be labeled a, “test,” at all.

There is a short video of Mullis saying this.

PCR is simply a process to brew up a batch of genetic gunk.

It is akin to growing bacteria in a petri dish.

357772 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to awildgoose, 4, #471 of 2133 🔗

Polymerase chain reaction. Gets you more of the nucleic acid much more quickly than if you tried to culture the sample. Much much more, much much more quickly, so you can see the dead ant on the elephant’s bum from 3 miles away. It’s still an ant, not a mosquito and it’s still dead.

357607 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #472 of 2133 🔗

I just celebrated the Italian restaurant rebellion with an ill-advised message to my mother, who now reacts to everything by saying “we must obey the rules”. So I got my ear bent – “if we don’t obey the rules, we’re in dire straits”. I replied, “Well, Gandhi did all right.” So that was the end of that conversation.

I was going to reply in Latin, which would have brought the conversation to an even speedier halt. Cessante ratione legis cessat ipsa lex. The legal principle that “when the reason for a law ceases, the law ceases too.” Gandhi was better.

357627 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #473 of 2133 🔗

My mum has similarly discended into tracking closely the BBC guide book. I mentioned last week that her stories (“x got Covid, his daughter gave it to her”) were nothing to get worried about. That they were almost certainly going to be fine and gain some natural immunity.

She found this an astounding claim. So when the times and PHE acknowledged it yesterday across the media, I sent her the details. Good news you’d think? Well no, “SO WE SHOULD ALL JUST GET COVID?”

Can’t even send them good news without appearing to be a conspiracy theorist.

357632 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #474 of 2133 🔗

I did take some small pleasure in saying to her “You’ve all gone stark raving mad”.

Oh well, at least it’s Friday, I can start drinking soon.

357643 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #475 of 2133 🔗

I feel your pain!

357654 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #476 of 2133 🔗

They sometimes say the old jokes are tha best, but one expects tomorrow’s headline to inform us that the Earth is in orbit round the Sun.

357681 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 4, #477 of 2133 🔗

Oh, but it is.Don’t go spreading false and misleading information that goes against the official line. Next thing, you’ll be saying that the moon isn’t made of green cheese.

357832 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 3, #478 of 2133 🔗

All right, Cardinal Fang. I wasn’t expecting the fucking Spanish Inquisition!

357759 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #479 of 2133 🔗

Well maybe we should. Protect the very vulnerable and “let it rip”. Herd immunity in weeks and we can start rebuilding the country. Pretty close to saying let the bodies build up in the street if that would really be the outcome (it wouldn’t’) The vaccine isn’t a vaccine and I’m sick of this living death for me and my family.

357933 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to WasSteph, 5, #480 of 2133 🔗

Yes, I agree, I’ve had enough of it now. Not “I love Big Brother” but “let the virus rip”. Whatever it does – probably not much – can’t be worse than what we are doing to ourselves.

358371 ▶▶▶▶ nootnoot, replying to WasSteph, 3, #481 of 2133 🔗

I always thought letting it rip and protect the vulnerable was the only real answer to this. We’ve lost a member of the family and had two others in and out of hospital however my view of it hasn’t changed. Let us get on with life!

357678 ▶▶ richmond, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #482 of 2133 🔗

I guess you could ask her how her life would have worked out if old people had had to be protected at the expense of everyone else, back when she was a child?

357734 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #483 of 2133 🔗

Yes – the Jews really benefitted from people turning them in, didn’t they?

357822 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #484 of 2133 🔗

Tell her she’s in dire straits anyway at her age. Might as well enjoy life.

357617 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #485 of 2133 🔗

Clap for fucking heroes a former friend of mine who works at the NHS received a good hiding for boasting he was a front line worker, jumping the que at supermarkets and eating pizza supplied free from concerned businesses,and the cunt was a receptionist at eye casualty, very front line and highly dangerous!!

357619 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #486 of 2133 🔗

Bet his tiktok routines were spot on tho

357623 alw, replying to alw, 15, #487 of 2133 🔗

Seen in the Torygraph..is Toby and FSU aware?

“Did anyone else notice that Alex Belfield had his Youtube taken down yesterday.

Alex used to be a BBC journalist but broke away some yes ago and has run a long running anti BBC campaign. With lockdown this year and no work he created his own You tube Channel and posted up to five videos a day plus ran some phone in programmes. I think he had an audience of around 200 k.

Alex is a rough Ring Wing diamond who has repeatedly spoken out against Left Wing woke culture.

His cancelation is not directly Trump related but related to the fact that Social Media are trying to deplatform anyone who has a large number of supporters and who advocates Ring Wing view points.

This action is totally against free speech and must not be tolerated. The Government needs to get involved to stop this unacceptable practise.”

My response to the article;

The Torygraph are also at it. This morning I posted that we have all known for many weeks the greatest sources of infection were in hospitals and care facilities and the country should not be locked down for this etc, etc. When looking to see if there were any responses the comment was no longer there. But then reposted and asked why they were censoring. It is now the second most highly rated to comment on the article.” It has not been removed yet or this latest post.

357639 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to alw, 5, #488 of 2133 🔗

No way. his videos have been excellent but can t say i m totally surprised- will have to go to bitchute like the rest and start again. Who next ? PJ Watson

357920 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to nickbowes, 1, #489 of 2133 🔗

YT is still the biggest platform and is the best to get known and attract new viewers.
Once you have build an audience, and when yt cancels a channel, it makes sense to move to another provider.

357650 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to alw, 2, #490 of 2133 🔗

The tragedy of that once-great newspaper is that, like the BBC and the Guardian, it’s been bought wholesale and hollowed-out. Many don’t recognise that this has happened, and unfortunately many never will.

357655 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 6, #491 of 2133 🔗

The Telegraph and its “Global Health Security Expert” Paul Nuki are financed £3.5 million by Bill Gates !

357819 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to nickbowes, 2, #492 of 2133 🔗

I know. But unfortunately many think Bill Deedes is still the editor and the DT is still a journal of record.

357813 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to alw, 2, #493 of 2133 🔗

never read Belfield as right wing per say – just anti-Woke
Which should be everyone with firing neurons tbh

357626 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 8, #494 of 2133 🔗

In 2020 there were 1029 per 100000 all cause deaths

Over the last 20 years the average annual all cause deaths per 100000 population is 1042

357635 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Major Panic, 6, #495 of 2133 🔗

When I point figures like these out to some people, they then go on to say that there would be more deaths if it weren’t for lockdown….sometimes it hard to get them to see past bloody lockdown.

357668 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #496 of 2133 🔗

Point to Sweden then. If the lockdowns were so effective then how do they explain their approach? You expect some fluff about population density. Or comparing to their scandanavian neighbours. That also is a tired argument and if they really cared about doing that, the data is there.

These people are lazy, scared and conformist.

358246 ▶▶▶ James, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #497 of 2133 🔗

Say:” No, you are wrong. There would be less deaths if there were no lockdown. Lockdowns kill people. “

357630 PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 8, #498 of 2133 🔗

There seems to be a major conceptual problem over vaccination: the point which the Tobys of this world don’t seem to get is that products issued to the public need to be objectively safe and effective rather than just ideologically so. This is a recent assessment of the Pfizer BioNTech and Moderna vaccines by BMJ associate editor Peter Doshi:


The data just isn’t there or has been withheld yet this is good enough for the MHRA and the JCVI. The problem lies with defectively tested products and defective regulation. The products have only been trialled for two months at the longest, so even if the data was credible (which it it isn’t) the companies couldn’t tell you what was going to happen after that point. Then you have to place trust in government agencies when government agencies do not have a good record, haven’t done their job, are in bed with the industry etc,, which is par for the course at the moment. And then gaslight anyone who is injured. Does Toby remember what happened in 2009 with Pandemrix?

357662 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 2, #499 of 2133 🔗

And to add to the data issue, on women planning to have children for example, we simply don’t have it. So the marketing has to avoid this uncomfortable fact, for, to get the data, you’ll need to have such individuals to get involved in the trial. It’s not a trial of course, repeat repeat repeat

357671 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #500 of 2133 🔗

It’s not a trial, but it is an experiment – and it is against the Nuremberg Code. Who cares about that anymore?

357638 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 7, #501 of 2133 🔗

Just been told that London hospitals are now sending Covid patients up to Newcastle due to bed shortages.

Will these people be in total isolation to “stop the spread” of this phantom virus during the journey and when they reach the Newcastle hospital? Of course this is not possible, so why is this acceptable to the zealots?

357651 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to J4mes, 7, #502 of 2133 🔗

Gotta get those numbers up in the NW
Sorry, my geography isn’t that bad! NE!

358013 ▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #503 of 2133 🔗

Newcastle is roughly NW of London, so in a way you’re right. Britain doesn’t really have much of a north-east, I suppose, technically, since it slants SE-NW.

357652 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to J4mes, 7, #504 of 2133 🔗

Next headlines: Newcastle ICU’s overrun, panic

357658 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Paulus, 3, #505 of 2133 🔗

And they’ll play it out that it was a ‘mistake’ and start mass testing, creating more false positives, ad infinitum…

357660 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to J4mes, 8, #506 of 2133 🔗

Given that it’s not a “bed” shortage but a “nurses” shortage because they’re diddling about in quarantine after false positive PCR tests, sending a patient 300 miles up the A1 is the definition of non-essential travel, surely?

357680 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #507 of 2133 🔗

The nurse shortage is due to allocated time given to dance routines for trendy photo opportunities (when they’re not standing round clapping for themselves of course).

357699 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to J4mes, -11, #508 of 2133 🔗

Exaggerated resentful bollocks is no counter to reality.

357736 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, 10, #509 of 2133 🔗

lighten up!!! if you cant be sarcastic on here, whats the point !!! not everyone comes on here to spread their agenda. some just come for a diversion and to communicate with like minded sceptics. and for some a little humour is a blessing

357923 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 5, #510 of 2133 🔗

I know, but exaggerated resentful bollocks is all I’ve got.

357945 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #511 of 2133 🔗

Go for it.

358034 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #512 of 2133 🔗

Yeah – I’ve got masses too.

357976 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to RickH, 1, #513 of 2133 🔗

Chill out Rick!

357661 ▶▶ richmond, replying to J4mes, 8, #514 of 2133 🔗

They close the Nightingale hospitals and then send people all the way to Newcastle?

357828 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to richmond, 3, #515 of 2133 🔗

Joined up government thinking. This is the best that they are capable of, the sum total of their competence and reason. Impressive, isn’t it.

357951 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to richmond, 2, #516 of 2133 🔗

It’s like the script for a John Bird/John Fortune “George Parr” sketch.

357647 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 6, #517 of 2133 🔗

Interesting reading about the 23 who dies from the experimental vaccine in Norway. So that was 23 out of 25000. Not sure what the numbers are here in the UK for the numbers who have already received this experimental vaccine but assuming humans are the same the world over, then those deaths would’ve occurred here and elsewhere around the world. I wonder if the increase in the number of reported Covid deaths are indeed just Experimental vaccine deaths.

357657 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Andrew K, 1, #518 of 2133 🔗

Which vaccine did they have?

357684 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #519 of 2133 🔗

“Pfizer” and “BioNTech” vaccine against “ COVID-19

357706 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Andrew K, 1, #520 of 2133 🔗

Considering that Norway only had had 511 C-19 deaths this is a high figure of vaccine related deaths. Amost 5% of the C-19 deaths in the country after 2-3 weeks vaccination. 1 in 1000 of the very elderly which is of course better than 20% mortality of C-19in the age group but Norway has probablay the best sytem for elderly care homes than anywhere,small and excellently managed and they have kept the virus from these well run homes. Very difficult decisions for them.

357648 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #521 of 2133 🔗

I wonder how many single childless women have effectively lost all hope of motherhood since March? Still if it saves one life…

357656 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #522 of 2133 🔗


357672 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #523 of 2133 🔗

Birth rates of white British children were already in massive decline before this started. You’d think there was an agenda?

358182 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #524 of 2133 🔗

I’m not single – I’ve been with my partner for over ten years and we were thinking of trying for kids now given our career and economic positions (and given the fact I’m in my late 30s).

That’s gone out the window! I can’t think of anything worse right now than being pregnant or having young kids – parents really are at the mercy of the state’s increasingly fascist whims. Children are being psychologically abused by their teachers and the government, and God only knows what that generation will be doing in 20-30 years time when they take hold of the levers of power. Their expectations of normality are being completely perverted, and the social values they are being taught are absolutely repugnant.

Choosing to bring kids into the world is an investment in the future and a pact of trust with your community and society. That now just looks like a fool’s gamble to me.

357667 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 6, #525 of 2133 🔗

Very convenient timing for the establishment for this to happen (front page of The Times), perhaps biometric health passports provided by Microsoft could be the perfect solution? Problem, Reaction, Solution – in action yet again.

150,000 arrest records wiped in tech blunderOffenders may go free after software bug deletes fingerprint and DNA files on police computer

357993 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Darryl, 1, #526 of 2133 🔗

Don’t they have backups? There is really no excuse for this.

357669 richmond, replying to richmond, 24, #527 of 2133 🔗

As I see it, the issue with the vaccine is simply that most people don’t need it, and yet they want everyone to have it. So what is going on?

If it is safe, then the vulnerable people should take it and the job is done. If it is not safe, then no-one should take it. And yet they want us all to take it?

I wish we still had journalists. They might ask some questions.

357683 ▶▶ RickH, replying to richmond, 10, #528 of 2133 🔗

Your last point is crucial. Would we have known about Thalidomide in present media circumstances?

357713 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, 5, #529 of 2133 🔗

Not a chance, they would have said the associated health problems were caused by a new virus / disease which would require yet another big pharma ‘cure’. The vast majority of the medical profession now only care about money.

357787 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Darryl, 4, #530 of 2133 🔗

Only now? Enoch Powell, when he was Minister of Health (1960-63), said that the most depressing aspect of any discussion with the medical profession was that soon or later it inevitably boiled down** to money.
** I’m only paraphrasing Powell- I’m sure he would never have used such an inelegant metaphor.

357795 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 5, #531 of 2133 🔗

Just had a bizarre conversation with my mother who doesn’t understand that the vaccine hasn’t been proven to stop transmission (and judging by the news from Israel doesn’t look likely to be). And the UK can’t fit this bit of science to “the science” because the Israelis are so close to being fully vaccinated that they have little reason to worry about transmission, and they don’t respond very well to arm twisting. If the jabs don’t stop transmission, I don’t understand how the government can open up given the shambolic decision making thus far.

357695 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to richmond, 1, #532 of 2133 🔗

whatever you do, don`t look at this so called “deep state” population forecast for 2025.

nonsense and stuff..


357696 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to richmond, 3, #533 of 2133 🔗

We still have some decent journalists—-UK Column—always asking the right questions!

357722 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #534 of 2133 🔗

Indeed, but you know what I mean. For most people there’s the BBC and the equivalent, and that’s it. Anyone else is a crank.

357793 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to richmond, 2, #535 of 2133 🔗

Most people don’t need it BUT most people still WANT it. FOMO (fear of missing out)

357679 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #536 of 2133 🔗

Jeremy vine tv now discussing no jab no job

357702 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 11, #537 of 2133 🔗

I do wonder if instead of taking any notice of the MSM we would be better off completely switching off from it. We are giving them viewership figures (therefore revenue) consuming a product most of us completely despise. Can’t see why controlled evil virtue signallers like Jeremy Vine should set the agenda over how we should live.

357922 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Darryl, 1, #538 of 2133 🔗

JV has just joined the list of programmes I’ve turned off ’til further notice.

357707 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 7, #539 of 2133 🔗

They don’t care about freedom in any sense. They just want to tell themselves a warm fuzzy story that makes their life seem perfectly virtuous.

As soon as they get the jab, they don’t care. It’s that simple. It matters not that others have refused and are being discriminated against for it. They have the MSM on their side. They laugh at freedom, what an antiquated concept.

357907 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Basics, #540 of 2133 🔗

hazard a guess; this is just a competitive act of aggression by Pimlico. Their boiler fondlers can advertise their virtue to customers, prizing them from the un-pricked opposition. Bit like green-emoting of many big corporations; just raises cost barrier to competition. There’ll be a ‘Passport to Pimlico’ next. No, wait…

357687 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #541 of 2133 🔗


Small businesses win some relief here. A case fast tracked to the Supreme Court

357705 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #542 of 2133 🔗

An absolute lifeline for 10s of thousands of small businesses. Sadly mine is not one of them but many colleagues in the industry will be saved by this. We are also trying to get travel insurance brought up in font of the courts as they squirmed their way out of most responsibility on that one too.

357762 ▶▶ Will, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #543 of 2133 🔗

A lifeline for small businesses but what of pension funds? I am not defending the shyster insurance companies, btw.

357689 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 10, #544 of 2133 🔗

Mark Lawson talks to John Le Carre

Last night I watched a catch up of this 2008 interview which was broadcast last Saturday night. Le Carre’s real name was David Cornwell and, being a real life ‘spook’, it enabled him to be a brilliant writer of espionage thrillers.

There came a point in the interview when Lawson asked him what his thoughts were on the ‘war on terror’ which, promulgated by Bush and Blair, followed on from the twin towers debacle. Cornwell replied that if there was ever a more ridiculous declaration he had yet to hear it. He then followed that up by saying, with a smirk, ‘what next I wonder, if we’re not careful they’ll be declaring war on influenza’ .

Prophetic words indeed! Cornwell died two years ago so he didn’t live to see the ‘war on influenza’. Pity! If he had lived I’m sure he would have been able to voice his own comments on this most serious, and in 2008 most unbelievable and incomprehensible, turn of events.

357697 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #545 of 2133 🔗

It’s always the alien threat as a control mechanism. Not long from now it may literally be an alien threat that the entire globe must be managed in order to prepare it

357754 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #546 of 2133 🔗

Why bother?

The elite have things well in hand with their flu hoax.

357721 ▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #547 of 2133 🔗

Yes, I spotted this and posted on it a couple of days ago. Of course, he did survive till last month (cause of death pneumonia). Perhaps there is somewhere some record of what he thought about the year 2020.

357700 dhid, replying to dhid, 7, #548 of 2133 🔗

Don’t know if anyone has asked this yet.

Do we need to even be concerned about the “Brazilian” at the moment?

I mean, I thought all beauty parlours were closed now and it’s not beach weather is it?

Just sayin’…..

357746 ▶▶ alw, replying to dhid, 2, #549 of 2133 🔗

Would like to be on a Brazilian beach right now…lol

357753 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to alw, #550 of 2133 🔗


357709 richmond, replying to richmond, 2, #551 of 2133 🔗

The point about Neil Ferguson is not that he has always cocked everything up, but that he behaved differently this time.

With CJD he gave a lowest possible estimate, a highest possible estimate and a middle range. In other words, “What’s the best outcome that could possibly happen?” “And what’s the worst it could be?” “And what do you think will actually happen?” So that’s four figures. From memory (from the posts by Richard Pinch on this site), Ferguson’s estimates for CJD were something like 50, 50,000, 500-2000. It wasn’t that, but it was something like that. And the actual figure was 622, or something. So actually Ferguson did pretty well on CJD.

But with covid he only gave a worst possible estimate. What use is that on its own? Where was his middle range estimate?

That’s my understanding. If I’ve misremembered/got it wrong let me know.

357799 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to richmond, 7, #552 of 2133 🔗

But with covid he only gave a worst possible estimate. What use is that on its own? Where was his middle range estimate?

Not sure that’s true. Lots of people focus on the high extreme but this was in a “do nothing – business as usual” scenario. He produced a number of predictions which ranged from ~20k up to 500k.

The real problem was the “calibration” of his model. The scientists thought we were around 10 weeks away from the peak of the spring epidemic when in fact it was already upon us.
This created panic which resulted in the ‘lockdown’ decision.

I now think that the initial strategy of hand-washing, sensible social distancing and working from home if possible (i.e. the Sweden approach) was working well enough but SAGE just didn’t realise it.

357805 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 5, #553 of 2133 🔗

I now think that the initial strategy of hand-washing, sensible social distancing and working from home if possible (i.e. the Sweden approach) was working well enough but SAGE just didn’t realise it.”

Possibly. Surely they realise it now. What’s your take on what is driving apparent madness from SAGE now?

357892 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Julian, 5, #554 of 2133 🔗

The like of Susan Michie and her fellow “Behavioural scientists” (or BS for short) are becoming more vocal. None of the others will go against lockdown because they’re scared of getting it wrong.

357995 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Mayo, #555 of 2133 🔗

He must have produced a Highest estimate, Lowest estimate and a Middle-Range (H,L MR) for the “do nothing” option. Where are the L and MR figures? If he produced four estimates then he is not to blame for the government only using the highest one. Surely?

357867 ▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to richmond, 3, #556 of 2133 🔗

The problem with Ferguson is that he is paid as a prospector for the vaccine industry by GAVI and Bill Gates: if he creates a market for them he has done his job.

Ferguson’s Vaccine Impact Modelling Consortium at Imperial College is also funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation as well as the global vaccine alliance, GAVI. Ferguson’s group was said to have received $185 million from the Bill and Melinda Gate Foundation between 2006 and 2018.”


Perhaps if LockdownSceptics had investigated this sort of thing we would have been out of this mess. But if you point it out to them they go on about “conspiracy theory” or what we used to call investigative journalism.

357718 rockoman, #557 of 2133 🔗


357730 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #558 of 2133 🔗

The solution of having bed blockers with PCR pos elderly waiting to go to care homes is so easy.They have one PCR test of them and they should have the Ct value. Take a new PCR test and anything over Ct30 is non infectious and send them back. We knew that mass testing with PCR in the community was a total fiasco but now we have a self-inflicted NHS catastrophe due to insane PCR testing which could be sorted out quickly with intelligent testing.

357735 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to swedenborg, 4, #559 of 2133 🔗

Or use a LFT which would be much quicker too..

357742 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 24, #560 of 2133 🔗

We are NOT “diseased until proved healthy”! Pass it on!

This is all becoming utterly unethical and I can’t believe anyone is still supporting it! This is not “approaching” dystopia, this IS dystopia!

We also urgently need a rebrand. We are no longer “lockdown sceptics” we are LOCKDOWN ABOLITIONISTS.

End of.

Lockdowns KILL
Lockdowns are UNETHICAL
ABOLISH lockdowns NOW!

357752 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #561 of 2133 🔗

Turning the world into a concentration camp is part of the plan.

357769 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #562 of 2133 🔗

So say WHO: lockdowns cause untold poverty

357987 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #563 of 2133 🔗

I was informed this morning that my employer is in discussions to introduce a 24 hour a day tester to our workplace. The test is apparently not “compulsory” but if you do not agree to take it you are required to prove that you do not have the virus by another means.

When I asked how the supervisor suggested I do this short of not having any symptoms (which in any other year would be perfectly sensible) I had the “they say this latest strain can be passed on without symptoms” bullshit

357749 Basics, replying to Basics, 15, #564 of 2133 🔗

Repost from last night. Words aimed at perhaps unlocking certain people from their brianwashing. Trying not to bamboozle.

There’s a plague on wear a mask.

If there was a plague on and masks helped wouldn’t the government be issuing good quailty masks? Surely they wouldn’t leave it to chopped up tshirts and table coth fabric. A cottage, homemade industry to help the nation survive the death.

Billions spent in other directions, economy collapsing measures yet masks are to be made from scraps of old socks. Ok the nations generations grew up with Blue Peter teaching them how to be, but come on – home made plague masks? Really? Time to think a little for yourself.

357763 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Basics, 9, #565 of 2133 🔗

Yes, fully agree. If the purpose of the masks was to effectively reduce transmission of the virus AND be safe to use then they would have defined standards / regulations before introducing them. The fact that they did not do that means that the purpose of the masks is not about safety and effectiveness at all. It also means that they don’t consider the negative effects of mask wearing on the mass population (including children) to be important.

358018 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to godowneasy, 2, #566 of 2133 🔗

I don’t think there was ever a large scale risk assessment that was ever carried out before masks were mandated. Plus Wancock early on admitted that the mandate was to encourage people to go out and shop, a tactic that has backfired spectacularly time and time again.

357766 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Basics, 7, #567 of 2133 🔗

If there was a genuine PLAGUE people would be SHIT SCARED its that simple….nobody would WANT to go anywhere!!!…..

357780 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #568 of 2133 🔗

Precisely. I haven’t seen one person even cough, let alone stagger, stumble, wheeze or collapse in the street or super market.

357801 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Basics, 6, #569 of 2133 🔗

When this all started I jokingly said to my wife ‘perhaps I could make a mask out of an old pair of Y fronts. I could pull them over my head and use the frontal slot as a hole for my nose so I could still breathe easily.’. But then Irealised that I might be accused by the real mask zealots of exposing myself.

I’ll get my coat!

357929 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Basics, 1, #570 of 2133 🔗

It’s quite similar to some of the old rules about mobile phones: don’t use them in a hospital because the equipment will go haywire and people will die ; don’t use them on an aeroplane because it will fall out of the sky. Neither of these rules was ever enforced with any degree of efficiency or commitment. If using a mobile phone in a hospital or on a plane was dangerous there would have been body searches and large fines. I suspect the hospital rule was invented to transfer coins from pockets to payphones.

358174 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 1, #571 of 2133 🔗

and dont use them in a petrol station as they will cause a spark and blow you up .

359761 ▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Basics, #572 of 2133 🔗

Very good point indeed. Even winding a woolly scarf round your face is considered acceptable while obviously providing no protection whatsoever. It’s become almost symbolic, might as well wear a badge of allegiance to the govt instead.

357750 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 15, #573 of 2133 🔗

Regulator refuses to approve mass daily Covid testing at English schools ” makes me laugh (more than usual with stuff in the Guardian).

So its not okay to use Lateral Flow Testing in schools because its high false negative rate may lead to kids with Covid mistakenly being allowed to be in school.

But it is okay to use PCR with its high false positive rate so kids who dont have Covid may be mistakenly suspended from school for 10 days.

Because in the first instance the teachers would be ‘in danger’

And in the second its only that the kids miss out on a proper education, do not develop emotionally and socially, are labelled as disease ridden pariahs, and their parents have to risk financial harm and possibly ruin as they have to self-isolate as well and cant do their job because they have to home school.

But with the second at least the teachers are ‘safe’ eh?

Good job someone has objective weighed up the pros and cons, done a cost benefit analysis and asked the parents which works best for them. You know, the parents, the ones who are ultimately responsible for the kids, pay the teachers wages etc…….

357757 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 5, #574 of 2133 🔗

Using a process that generates false positives is the point.

357829 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to awildgoose, 5, #575 of 2133 🔗

And when they don’t want to generate false positives, they use the lateral flow tests

357751 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 20, #576 of 2133 🔗

Is the real problem more about a health service that cannot cope with a normal and predictable number of elderly frail people who require hospital care every year during the winter respiratory illness season

whether its covid, influenza, bla bla bla – it doesn’t matter – people reaching the end of their natural lives have weak immune systems and are susceptible to respiratory illness

the problem is a badly managed NHS

357798 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 5, #577 of 2133 🔗

the problem is a badly managed NHS”

In part I think it is, bad most organisations are imperfect and people crave perfection for their healthcare. But in the past we have just lived with that, as a compromise, because we want lower taxes. The problem is that this year we have elevated the NHS to sacred cow level all of a sudden, without planning it properly.

357840 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Julian, 2, #578 of 2133 🔗

yep – the problem is not a respiratory disease pandemic – its an annual and predictable demand on health services

357816 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Major Panic, 4, #579 of 2133 🔗

The health service is a victim of its own success. Instead of people dying the first time they encounter a major health crisis, they now survive so they come back at some point for their second or even third crisis. Repeat custom.

357943 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to muzzle, 3, #580 of 2133 🔗

Like the old-age pension. Designed to keep people going for a couple of years, now regularly has to be paid for twenty years and more.

No wonder they never actually banned smoking. It’s very good at removing people who would otherwise require long-term pensions.

359448 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Annie, #581 of 2133 🔗

Anyone but you Annie, and I’d have to tell them to fuck off.

Have you read Kitty Little on tobacco, diesel ? She worked at Aldermaston/Harwell (I forget which) and wrote a most stunning paper

Baccy has been a primary plant-ally of our race for hundreds of years. Try and find a photo of a Spitfire pilot without a ciggie. In the Western Mystery Tradition, tobacco is associated with Geburah, the Mars ruled sefirah. Severity/Strength/Justice. Cometh the hour, cometh the herb. 🙂

357908 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Major Panic, 3, #582 of 2133 🔗

70 Million population for an NHS built for 50 Million

357911 ▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Major Panic, 7, #583 of 2133 🔗

30 years ago the NHS had 2.5 times as many beds per capita, infectious disease hospitals and staffing levels. I was pointing out the other day in Unherd that I know several doctors who were already working in the Flu pandemic of 1969 but they cannot remember anything about it because the system was designed to cope (without all this technocratic rubbish).

357948 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Major Panic, 5, #584 of 2133 🔗

The problem is the rise over last 20 years of Managerialism. It still goes on even though it has been shown to utterly wrong. One of the tenets of this belief is that a manager (MBA etc) can be parachuted into a specialist unit and get up to speed quickly. Nevermind that the more specialist a situation the more background knowledge you need to run it. No, just here’s a manager or two and it will work.

What happens is managers spawn more managers and management levels as they believe that the solution is always more management.

And so the money you had for contingency goes into the management hole and pockets as remember managers get performance bonuses, employees and key workers often do not.

357765 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 7, #585 of 2133 🔗

I was surprised when my MP suddenly changed direction and voted with the government this time. A dedicated Brexiter, like Steve Baker who did the same. Was Boris promised an unsabotaged Brexit (legacy), if he pushed the money making vaccination scheme, which the lockdowns would encourage, ie get vaxed, get your freedom.

357790 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DanClarke, 8, #586 of 2133 🔗

I think they got spooked/fooled by the mutant nonsense and the distortions about “cases” and “covid deaths” and hospitals being under pressure. A lot of those who voted against last time may well have done so because they thought they should be in a lower tier. I think the 18 who opposed this time are really opposed to lockdowns on grounds of principle. Quite a few abstained, I suspect they were really against the lockdown but could not bring themselves to be disloyal.

357808 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Julian, 6, #587 of 2133 🔗

How about some loyalty to the public?

357771 dhid, replying to dhid, 17, #588 of 2133 🔗

Idiot being interviewed on Talk Radio who says CV is the biggest health crisis in “our” lifetimes – well correct me if I’m wrong but I was 8 years old when we had Hong Kong Flu so is he not a lying bastard?… or maybe he was born after then?

God how I hate these people.

357788 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to dhid, 10, #589 of 2133 🔗

In my more cynical moments, I wouldn’t mind seeing a total collapse, just to watch these types learn the real meaning of hardship and privation. Too many pampered snowflakes and fragile little drama queens. They’re going out of their tiny minds through a soft simulation of a real crisis…

357862 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 7, #590 of 2133 🔗

Just happened to have finished “The SecondSleep” by Robert Harris . A novel about a post Apocalyptic England where society has reverted to a pre industrial medieval agrarian state dominated by the Church.. Those seeking the old knowledge and remnants of pre apocalyptic technology are branded heretics and burnt or hanged.
The cause of the Apocalypse is not specifically determined but a pandemic and subsequent collapse of the economy is the principal suspect .
Interestingly Imperial College has a role and one of the main characters, an unpleasant one, is a Captain Hancock.
The novel was published in 2019 , so must have been written in 2018/9. Spooky..

357881 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to mikewaite, 2, #591 of 2133 🔗

“Those seeking the old knowledge and remnants of pre apocalyptic technology are branded heretics and burnt or hanged”

Such is the lot of a pragmatic sceptic. Captian Hancock? Lol.

357897 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 3, #592 of 2133 🔗

I want to hunt collaborators in the street – so Mad Max world is my preferred option

357797 ▶▶ John001, replying to dhid, 7, #593 of 2133 🔗

I was four when we had Asian flu. The only news story I remember of 1957 was the BBC’s ‘spaghetti harvest’ practical joke.

Now I find that the USA considered lockdown in 1957 but rejected it as a silly idea which would prolong the agony.

357826 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to John001, 4, #594 of 2133 🔗

I wasn’t born in 1957 but have seen the ‘spaghetti’ joke film – I think people took it seriously because it was the BBC even then…lol!

Re decision by USA – it’s kind of obvious why they made that decision isn’t it – it was common sense – oh for common sense!

358036 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to John001, 1, #595 of 2133 🔗

Thinking about that jape from today’s perpective, one does rather wonder whether it was carried out at least in part to get some idea of how much people were prepared to believe.

357800 ▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, 6, #596 of 2133 🔗

Edit to my post above – it was Dan Hodges and he was born in 1969 according to Wikipedia – so he’s just thick then..

357903 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to dhid, 5, #597 of 2133 🔗

Hodges really is the useful idiot’s useful idiot. A complete and utter Securocrat/Eurocrat/Atlanticist/NWO shill. Take nothing he says at face value.

357894 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to dhid, 9, #598 of 2133 🔗

I grew up in the early 80s. AIDS was supposedly the greatest threat.

The greatest health threat today is Idiocy

358308 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mhcp, 1, #599 of 2133 🔗

Same here. They did their best to make it seem a danger to everyone, rather than merely to promiscuous homosexuals or druggies with dirty needles.

357774 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #600 of 2133 🔗


India herd immunity. “No other explanation is possible”


357812 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #601 of 2133 🔗
357833 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 1, #602 of 2133 🔗

Brilliant news!

357777 Jane C in France, replying to Jane C in France, 15, #603 of 2133 🔗

My husband’s Scottish granddad used to say the drink driving laws were for the boys that couldnae drink and drive. That attitude still prevails in the part of rural France where I live. People tend to resent this curtailment of what they see as innocent pleasure, and are willing to have one or more too many and risk running into the police on the way home. Yet these same people are terrified of the 135 euro fine for breaking the covid rules. For example, a friend who one evening a few years ago saw nothing dangerous in driving with half a bottle of champagne inside her was too scared (of covid? Of the rules?) to celebrate Christmas and New Year as usual with a dozen members of her extended family since there was a six max. limit. Did she really believe the police were going to knock at her door on Christmas Day to see who was in her house? I can’t believe how compliant people have become.

357804 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jane C in France, 10, #604 of 2133 🔗

Yes. One of my favourite French words is contestataire . Means you suspect everything and dispute everything on principle. Said to be a quintessentially French attitude. The French seem to have forgotten it.

357845 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Annie, 9, #605 of 2133 🔗

“People say I’m a contrarian. They’re wrong.”

357868 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bugle, 2, #606 of 2133 🔗

No they’re not!

357830 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Jane C in France, 12, #607 of 2133 🔗

Our friend in his 50s with no health conditions is so frightened of this ‘3rd wave’ and new variant, he doesn’t want us to visit him for the time being until it calms down and said he can’t wait to have the vaccine.
This is a man who when he goes out partying, snorts cocaine up his nose and used to grow weed.

357932 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #608 of 2133 🔗

Aha, a lifelong health freak.

357997 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #609 of 2133 🔗

Nothing worse than an aging hippy…they are always wankers.

357885 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Jane C in France, 2, #610 of 2133 🔗

There was a great episode of 5th Gear some years back that looked at drinking against tiredness on driving capability. For sufficient drunkeness, maneouvres are harder but motorway driving is a breeze (provided the windows open so you don’t fall asleep). For tiredness, it doesn’t matter if the window is open, you tend to fall asleep. Manoeuvres are a bit harder but the real danger is motorway driving.

When it comes to risk to others though drink driving would be the one as 70% of deaths are in 30 mph speed zones. Only 5% of casualities occur on motorways.

357782 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 12, #611 of 2133 🔗

A few months ago in a moment of weakness I joined Facebook. I don’t use it much but it does give an insight into how some people think.

Last night I was looking at a friend’s Facebook page and there was a short discussion about home schooling which led to a facepalm moment. Someone I don’t know wrote the following – ‘If school work is emailed instead of kids bringing books in and out of school, it reduces the chance of transmission of Covid’.

I wonder what the chances are of picking up Covid off a school book?

357810 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Biggles, 8, #612 of 2133 🔗

Most teachers, I’m told, leave homework unmarked for three days ’cause it’s all covvidy.

357935 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 5, #613 of 2133 🔗

Mrs. M does this with the magazines in the groceries delivery- after she’s wiped them down with Dettol. Her sister and her aunt do the same. They all think I’m a bit of a crank.

357989 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #614 of 2133 🔗

What, every page?

358021 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, 5, #615 of 2133 🔗

Mercifully, the gods are sated by her just wiping down the front and back covers.

357783 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 9, #616 of 2133 🔗

ahh, as planned. The “Brazilian” variant now in the UK !!!

357806 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to nickbowes, 11, #617 of 2133 🔗

If you want the shot for that variant, you’ll have to be willing to take it seven times, in the head.

357837 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to nickbowes, 5, #618 of 2133 🔗

Is that not a good thing? The more variants that we as a community are exposed to, the more training of the individual’s immune response. I have absolutely no scientific basis for saying that, its just a gut feeling based on , if anything , seeing our children respond less and less to the numerous viruses going round in schools the older they get and the more exposure that they have.

357871 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to mikewaite, 3, #619 of 2133 🔗

It is also a confirmation of Professor Gupta’s idea that you cannot isolate regions in the same way as in 1910 hence NPI advice is useless. We just get new variants and viruses too quickly now.

357875 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to nickbowes, 3, #620 of 2133 🔗

I think the Brazilian is a greater pubic risk

357891 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 4, #621 of 2133 🔗

How will the p0rn industry cope with the war on the Brazilian??

357921 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #622 of 2133 🔗

And the drugs cartels, of course- especially the crack.

359702 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Crystal Decanter, #623 of 2133 🔗

They’ll just go all Hollywood on us – but the subtext will remain the same, we’re all fucked.

357977 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to nickbowes, 6, #624 of 2133 🔗

It’s interesting that it has only been since December that we have been told the supposed origin of the variants e.g. Brazilian, South African etc As I understand it, there have supposedly been many thousands of covid variants since last spring – we were never told about each and every one of those variants at the time or what their geographical origin was. Why now all of a sudden? Because those behind the scam have realised they can use this narrative to institute additional lockdown and other control measures, or alter existing ones, and by ‘naming’ the variants they give them a relatable identity.

357784 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 15, #625 of 2133 🔗

Has everyone seen the Simone Gold video? Please do so ASAP!

My VERY healthy 75-year-old aunt was given first dose yesterday. She was “given some information about mRNA” but not asked to sign anything. Is that “informed consent” ?????

Bring back the PPI lawyers NOW!

357834 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #626 of 2133 🔗

Yesterday I was informed by my 75 year old dad that he has had it ‘sorry son, I know how you feel but I read all the literature and have had it, I’ve had the pfizer one and looking forward to having the 2nd one’.

What could I say. He also informs me he has had been having tests at Maidstone hospital since December and can’t speak highly enough if the NHS – so efficient.

On one hand I’m glad he could have his tests (still awaiting result of MRI scan) done and has not has to wait.

Personally I think he has been ground down and wants his normal back. Throughout this I’ve been proud of how both my parents have been out every day, on buses going to the coast, eat out to help out every Monday, he has been playing golf twice a week, bowls, fishing. He is sounding old(er) and has never ever mentioned feeling old and barring a hernia operation and a few colds (or chills as he always put it) I’ve never known him be I’ll.

But he reads the paper every day, has the radio on 24/7 and watches the news and like most people doesn’t want to entertain the notion that this is all about some evil things being done by evil people.

Who knows…….fingers crossed I suppose.

Not sure about my mum, she is diabetic so goodness knows what will happen if she has 1.

357878 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to stefarm, 5, #627 of 2133 🔗

At least he made an ‘informed’ decision

357886 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 3, #628 of 2133 🔗

And he also said ‘i can still get it but it won’t be as bad’ that must be in the literature.

357789 popo says, replying to popo says, 13, #629 of 2133 🔗

Steve Baker’s posturing article:

“A cynic might argue we have just sacrificed half a year of freedom on the NHS altar to save the skin of the Tories. ”

[A Lockdown Sceptic would say: “NO! It’s far worse than that!”]

357802 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to popo says, 6, #630 of 2133 🔗

Yes. We have nuked our economy in an unrecoverable manner. He just hasn’t noticed because it isn’t effecting him. Yet.

357791 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 9, #631 of 2133 🔗

Dan Hodges (currently on talk radio) has fallen for the false reporting that last years saw the greatest number of deaths since the blitz in the 1940’s

I see his problem – he is mis-informed

We last saw more deaths than 2020 in 2008 and many of the proceeding years

357877 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Major Panic, 6, #632 of 2133 🔗

Hodges is the quintessential establishment stooge.

358007 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Major Panic, 5, #633 of 2133 🔗

Hitchens has referred to him as ‘Warden Hodges’.

357792 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 22, #634 of 2133 🔗

I have great respect for Toby Young, but can’t understand why he’s rowing back on the ‘second wave’. The government’s narrative depends on three things: 1. PCR testing resulting in false positives, 2. positive tests being re-categorised as ‘cases’ and 3. that death from any cause within 28 days of a PCR test is recorded as a covid death. There is so much scope for the government to fabricate a statistical second wave that I fail to see why anyone should believe it. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

357809 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Bugle, 19, #635 of 2133 🔗

plus Flu and other respiratory deaths are wrapped up in the Covid count now.
So called 2nd wave looks dubious to me. It’s well known that deaths will go up at this time of year. Wait for the 3rd wave that will be touted as a result of new variations e.g. Brazil, etc.

They can keep this going indefinitely…..!

358105 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Alan P, 2, #636 of 2133 🔗

Alan P I think that is their objective, especially when you read Klaus Schwab’s mission statement and his frank acknowledgement that the WEF are using the coronavirus situation to bring forward their 2030 agenda, and know that the UK government are one of the WEF’s delivery partners (not misinformation – it is in print on the gov.uk website. Have a read through some of the plans, including the one about digital identities.

357839 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bugle, 10, #637 of 2133 🔗

No – you’re absolutely right. Deaths to the end of the year are totally within normal limits. SARS-CoV-2 may have been a contributor as an endemic virus, but there is nothing to indicate a viral ‘wave’.

357865 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to RickH, 11, #638 of 2133 🔗

I think there’s also a building base of lockdown-caused deaths which may be a slow but steady excess into next year. Hard to say as deaths wax and wane. The crucial element is not death by attribution of Covid but primary comorbidity.

We may start to see a lot of Covid with Cancer deaths in the next months, which are really Cancer deaths that may have been preventable. Goes for heart attacks and dementia. Dementia in particular can be slowed with socialisation

357986 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to mhcp, 2, #639 of 2133 🔗

And deaths from vaccine induced immune enhanced reactions after vaccined population acquire the sars-cov-2 virus. They will be a bit cover up about that. They will probably invent another mutation or another disease altogether which will need another vaccine

357942 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -6, #640 of 2133 🔗

They are not within “normal” limits. There is an excess. There is also a lag in registrations which means any updates are likely to increase that excess.

The same ‘normal mortality’ claim was being made in April because registered deaths were still relatively low. That changed very quickly within a week or two.

358092 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 3, #641 of 2133 🔗

‘That changed very quickly within a week or two’

‘….the government in mid-March adopted a policy, executed by NHS England and NHS Improvement, that led to 25,000 patients, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 who had not been tested, being discharged from hospital into care homes between 17 March and 15 April—exponentially increasing the risk of transmission to the very population most at risk of severe illness and death from the disease. With no access to testing, severe shortages of PPE, insufficient staff, and limited guidance, care homes were overwhelmed. Although care home deaths were not even being counted in daily official figures of COVID-19 deaths until 29 April, some 4,300 care home deaths were reported in a single fortnight during this period.’

(Reference deliberately withheld)

Hey, who knows, maybe there was a connection…….

In a sensible context, both hospital admissions and overall cause mortality is most definitely normal for the time of year

And why wouldn’t they be?

‘“Update on Kent lorry situation: 15,526 #Coronavirus tests now carried out. Just 36 positive results…..’

Grant Shapps

Mark Twain refers……

358526 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #642 of 2133 🔗

Yep. If there’s blood on anyone’s hands, it’s the governments for that travesty of policy. At best, manslaughter, at worst, murder.

358102 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Mayo, 4, #643 of 2133 🔗

Would you at least agree that the data on COVID deaths is very, very opaque?

We are only given information regarding ‘deaths within 28 days of a positive PCR test’. That is a problem for obvious reasons.

Further, ‘excess death’ data is tricky because we have never closed society in this way before.

For example, my doctor’s surgery sent me a text message a little while ago asking me not to contact them unless I have first self diagnosed my issue as urgent or acute. Who knows the effect of this type of policy when replicated across the country? That’s just one potentially harmful policy, there have been many more.

It isn’t clear at all, yet we are told that it is.

358019 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to RickH, 4, #644 of 2133 🔗

On a population adjusted basis there is, indeed, nothing to see – as ably demonstrated by Ed Conway’s charts on Sky the other day. Moreover, the constant narrative of ‘relative to the 5 year average’ is also misleading. At a bare minimum it should be relative to a 10 year average, because if the last 5 years includes 2 or 3 that were especially low due to insignificant Flu seasons, that will have a significant impact on the average will it not?

357879 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bugle, 7, #645 of 2133 🔗

Yes, Bugle/Rick/Alan, absolute shite. Just look at those very words “Deaths within 28 days of a positive test”. So, any death, for any reason, taken from people who will all have had a known faulty test.

How would they count, say, the number of births? Presumably by getting a list of all people admitted to hospital?

357902 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #646 of 2133 🔗

Everyone that I talk to is aware of the 28 days thing. If we have time I remind them that for months anyone who died anytime after having Covid died from Covid which is why at one point reported deaths fell from 50k to 40k.

357928 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bugle, 2, #647 of 2133 🔗

I can see no flaw in your reasoning, sir!

357980 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Bugle, 4, #648 of 2133 🔗

100% correct. Add to that I’m not aware of a published medical definition of what constitutes a “wave” anyway that would distinguish something from established seasonality. This wave thing seems to come from a poorly understood Pandemic over 100 years ago. A Pandemic that it is only noticeable in how it differs from this one in almost every aspect. It is a banal truth that we get seasonal “waves” of viruses but a “second wave” has to be independent of that to have any meaning or validity.

357817 Annie, 13, #649 of 2133 🔗

Before proceeding to adduce the conclusive evidence that now exists of the failure of vaccination, a few preliminary misconceptions must be dealt with. One of these is that, as vaccination is a surgical operation to guard against a special disease, medical men can alone judge of its value. But the fact is the very reverse, for several reasons. In the first place, they are interested parties, not merely in a pecuniary sense, but as affecting the prestige of the whole profession. In no other case should we allow interested persons to decide an important matter. Whether iron ships are safer than wooden ones is not decided by ironmasters, or by shipbuilders, but by the experience of sailors and by the statistics of loss. In the administration of medicine or any other remedy for a disease, the conditions are different. The doctor applies the remedy and watches the result, and if he has a larger practice he thereby obtains knowledge and experience which no other persons possess. But in the case of vaccination, and especially in the case of public vaccinators, the doctor does not see the result except by accident. Those who get small-pox go to the hospitals, or are treated by other medical men or may have left the district; and the relation between the vaccination and the attack of small-pox can only be discovered by the accurate registration of all the cases and deaths, with the facts as to vaccination or revaccination. When these facts are accurately registered, to determine what they teach is not the business of a doctor but of a statistician, and there is much evidence to show that doctors are bad statisticians, and have a special faculty for misstating figures.

From a pamphlet by William Russel Wallace (the other Darwin), 1898. Entitled ‘Vaccine a Delusion: its Penal Enforcement a Crime’.

Quoted in Infinite Tropics , ed. Andrew Berry (London: Verso, 2002), pp. 338-

357818 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 16, #650 of 2133 🔗

I think he had a typo in this bit Mr Baker raged: “Certain Government scientists have said that the current lockdown could last until late spring.
It should read “Cretin Government scientists……”

358091 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to John Ballard, 1, #651 of 2133 🔗

Two typos actually – the other one is where spring 2022 is missed off.

357820 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 8, #652 of 2133 🔗

What a load of utter drivel!!!

Seriously, this is just fucking stupid this article.


357847 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #653 of 2133 🔗

They should have added – you won’t believe number 7!

357852 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 5, #654 of 2133 🔗

I have fogginess of the brain quite frequently, usually after drinking scotch.

357873 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to karenovirus, 2, #655 of 2133 🔗

The Macallan, I hope and trust?

357884 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to karenovirus, 3, #656 of 2133 🔗

Scotch is the cure for Rona – i’m convinced

358332 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #657 of 2133 🔗

As long as you can still taste it. Best stick to Laphroaig if there’s any doubt. (Spell check offered Aphrodite, altogether another way to get into trouble)

357863 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #658 of 2133 🔗

You are not the target audience.

357872 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #659 of 2133 🔗

Pish – sounds like the consequence of being locked up!!!

357825 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 15, #660 of 2133 🔗

We have witnessed the increasing power of the technocratic business elite with full state blessing over the pass few months. Industries such as big phama, agriculture and big tech are becoming increasingly intertwined – this goes unnoticed by the masses as the media (which these people also own) doesn’t mention it. Bill Gates is now the largest farmland owner in the US – https://www.bitchute.com/video/hG4z9qTpAcaX/

Should a few individuals really have this much power, why do so few seem the slightest bit concerned? alarm bells should be ringing.

357842 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Darryl, 10, #661 of 2133 🔗

Big pharma is also buying up large swathes of Indian farmland, turning out the peasants to turn the land into prairie to be farmed with their chemicals.

357861 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 5, #662 of 2133 🔗

and GM crops

357869 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to karenovirus, 8, #663 of 2133 🔗

I have seen the huge protests in India (not via the technocrat owned MSM). These poor farmers are being killed off by the technocratic elite and yet again it is being supported by the London based media and ‘Human Rights’ organisations (so obviously controlled now).

357890 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Victoria, 12, #665 of 2133 🔗

I know people (including Toby Young) are in complete denial that this is a technocratic takeover. But the influence of these completely unelected people is absolutely staggering. Unless we are good slaves going forward they will reduce our social credit score and modify our food.

358089 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Darryl, 3, #666 of 2133 🔗

It goes far beyond reducing our social credit score and modifying food if you visit the World Economic Forum’s website and spend time trawling through various documents and videos.

358343 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to ShropshireLass, 2, #667 of 2133 🔗

I went on the website several months ago, warned people about it, only to be told that it was a ‘conspiracy theory’ and didn’t exist. Apparently the BBC and Guardian say ‘The Great Reset’ / ‘Build Back Better’ and ‘Agenda 2030’ are all made up by ‘far right extremists’. Funny how I keep on getting bombarded with promotional propaganda for things that don’t exist at work.

357827 RickH, replying to RickH, 14, #668 of 2133 🔗

“Surely, the lavishly taxpayer funded BBC, with hordes of researchers, fact checkers and expensive journalists, must be more accurate in its interpretation of the data than one private individual with a laptop and an internet connection.

That comment from the Doctor analysing NHS data is a sceptical insight into what has bee the case since March : the corps of so-called MSM ‘journalists’ have failed (either negligently or purposely) to find the arse of the data with all their hands.

I do wonder, however, how useful is analysis of NHS data when the key variables of ‘Covid’ ‘infections’ and deaths are so immutably screwed – right from the start of th shit-show.

358082 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to RickH, 1, #669 of 2133 🔗

“germalists” as one poster called them yesterday. Bunch of hacks couldn’t even spell investigative, let alone be one.

357853 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #670 of 2133 🔗

Got my NHS letter yesterday, inviting me to have a flu jab. Last year, I had a go on their ‘shit on a stick’ lottery and didn’t win anything, so I’m not bothering with this.

PS, never had flu jab letter before.

357866 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #671 of 2133 🔗

Yep, they’re getting desperate now. I’ve never been invited for one before and now had two letters in the space of a couple of weeks.

357896 ▶▶ mj, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #672 of 2133 🔗

same here .. never had one before but got one a couple of weeks back telling me i hadnt had one . so clearly there is a process in place for logging flu jabs and chasing up those who havent gone for one off their own backs.

358079 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to mj, 2, #673 of 2133 🔗

Same here, even after I sent my GP practice a ‘decline’ notice in reply to their email. Taking vitamin D, zinc and vitamin C supplements as advised by several virologists instead, as the 3 apparently work synergistically.

358074 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #674 of 2133 🔗

Ditto – BIN

357857 Leaky, replying to Leaky, 29, #675 of 2133 🔗

Let’s be clear, we are now at WAR – not with some invisible (virus) enemy, or some foreign power, but our own State, aided and abetted by the Establishment elites, public health officials, MSM and Big Tech.  Let’s also be clear that this war will not end until we, the people, end it.

If you have any lingering doubts about the ‘crimes against humanity’ that our enemies are perpetrating against their citizens, just view these two videos:

The first of these videos, in particular, exposes the bare-faced lies and misinformation that have been used to (a) overstate the risks of, and mortality from, Covid-19 and incite widespread fear, (b) justify draconian ‘lockdowns’, mandatory masks, and the wholesale destruction of industries, livelihoods and lives, and (c) advocate the injection of millions of our citizens with ‘experimental biological agents’.

It is simply inconceivable that this Government (and curiously  nearly every other Government across the globe), and their army of ‘scientific’ advisers, public health officials, intelligence services, etc, are not aware of the simple truths of the low risks from Covid-19 virus for the vast majority of the population, the availability of safe and effective treatments, and the devastating consequences of their policies for people’s economic, social, physical and mental wellbeing.

Whatever the sinister agenda of our enemies, the time for passive resistance is over; we need to mobilise a people’s resistance movement to wage a more offensive and hard-hitting campaign against our enemies.

I have some ideas for practical acts of resistance that we can each take that I will share shortly…

357893 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Leaky, 3, #676 of 2133 🔗

Western elites are dancing to the tune of Chicom cash n’ blackmail to roll out the, “China Model.”

357883 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #677 of 2133 🔗

Unexpected String of Allergic Reactions Causes Delays at ‘Vaccination Super Station’ Near Petco Park


357906 ▶▶ Annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #678 of 2133 🔗

Bottom of same article: you can now get a vaccine in Disneyland.
The Micky Mouse vaccine?

357898 Mark, 8, #679 of 2133 🔗

The fallacy of lockdown, pithily summarised:

“”prevention [is better than cure]” doesn’t trump “first do no harm””


357899 ShropshireLass, replying to ShropshireLass, 12, #680 of 2133 🔗

Regarding the experimental vaccine and the threat of mandates, the video by Dr Simone Gold from the http://www.AFLDS.com is one of the most informative and powerful videos on the subject I have viewed to date, and I urge all LS members to take 15 minutes to listen to it all the way through. The information it contains is also available via sites such as Elsevier Science, Science Direct and PubMed, but they take many hours to search and you need both the right keywords and the knowledge to extract the same information. Even our own UK government website point out the (experimental) vaccine is not known to prevent infection or indeed whether it affects the transmissibility of the virus. Vallance and Whitty know this too, which is why they have warned that having the vaccine programme does NOT mean lockdown restrictions will be lifted. Yet more employers are considering mandating (or have already done so) vaccination for their staff. Some education establishments have already written to staff and parents saying it will be a condition of coming onto site in future that staff and students have agreed to be vaccinated. I know this is true because I have already received an email from a senior manager at my college to this effect. As Dr Gold points out – we must fight back against such a practice NOW, before it is too late and our human rights have been removed by default and we are made guinea pigs in a massive medical experiment.

357941 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to ShropshireLass, 3, #681 of 2133 🔗

Just finished watching it, scary when you hear of all the lies and what this experimental vaccine could do.

357904 merlin, replying to merlin, 9, #682 of 2133 🔗

Insurers may not be so happy for lockdowns to continue any longer.

357981 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to merlin, 2, #683 of 2133 🔗

Exactly what I was thinking.

358005 ▶▶ Will, replying to merlin, 1, #684 of 2133 🔗

Not the pension fund managers…

357912 Paul, replying to Paul, 7, #685 of 2133 🔗

Over the past year I’ve encountered many ‘swervers’ but this morning I had the pleasure of my first ‘turner’.
Out on my usual,every morning,dog walk in the countryside I was approaching a lone woman on the public footpath around a field.Out of courtesy due to the fact our dog loves people and likes to leap up them in search of fuss I moved on to the ploughed field about twenty feet off the path,I always do this and not because of covid !.As I got closer the woman looked worried,stepped off the path into the snow covered brambles as close to the hedge as she could and turned to face away from me.Absolutely bizarre behaviour !,quite insulting too.She was actually pleasant and said good morning so she narrowly avoided getting a tirade from me,many swervers have not escaped so lightly !.
I have noticed that since Christmas all of the regular dog walkers and runners that I usually encounter on my walk have been absent,being replaced by people I have never seen before,strangely the same thing happened at the time of lockdown 1 in March,I know it’s meaningless but it’s noticeable.

357931 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Paul, 5, #686 of 2133 🔗

The dog walkers and swimmers round our way seem to be holding fast to their humanity for the moment

357937 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Paul, 5, #687 of 2133 🔗

There’s a bloke about 25 who walks his dog twice daily in the sort of setting you descibe who is face nappied up and swerves when you are nearing. Never encountered a turner yet. Maybe we need an ISPY book of Coronaphobes. Easy ones are the outdoor muzzlers, swervers but double nappied, goggled and nappied and visored should score highly.

357969 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to arfurmo, 4, #688 of 2133 🔗

There’s the ‘how many muzzled in one car’ to lookout for (taxis excluded though),around here whole mouthless families including very young children are increasingly common driving around.

358172 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Paul, 1, #689 of 2133 🔗

Not having a dog myself I can’t answer this question . But how do dogs respond when encountering humans who are masked up and possibly making aggressive statements to their walker.
Having until the last 12 months been accustomed to seeing faces and judging the threat level to their owner on the basis of the appearance of that human face do they instinctively assume a masked face is a threat or a friend?

358185 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to mikewaite, 1, #690 of 2133 🔗

My dogs sometimes bark at me when I’m wearing a hat! They temporarily just don’t recognise me. They’ve only reacted to masked people when they also wear a hat. The funny shaped head and blank face puzzles them. They are not aggressive but tend to stick close or hide behind me.

357913 Sam Vimes, 25, #691 of 2133 🔗

This just in: Undertakers confirm soaring numbers of people dying within 28 days of being alive!

357914 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #692 of 2133 🔗

How many vaccine related deaths has there been so far?

357952 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #693 of 2133 🔗

We are not being told here, unlike in the US (Germany and Norway too, I think). Wonder why no MSM coverage – D notice?

358209 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #694 of 2133 🔗

In Norway there have been 23 vaccine related deaths out of 25 000 vaccinations. Roughly 1 in a 1 000. Here over 2.5 million people have been vaccinated with apparently zero vaccine related deaths. So the same vaccine in Norway results in 1 in a 1 000 risk of death and in the United Kingdom results in zero risk. There is something wrong with these facts.

357983 ▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #695 of 2133 🔗

I would think it possible that there might be some – given that vaccines are designed to stimulate an immune response – and the very frail and those suffering from pre-existing serious conditions might not be strong enough to cope with that.

I’ve seen no reports, but I doubt that they would be given to immuno-compromised people for that same reason.

I’m personally as doubtful about reports of vaccine related deaths in young and fit people as I am about coronavirus deaths in that same age and health group, but I’m keeping an open mind about it and I am still not planning on having any of these vaccines as they are rolled out.

358022 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 3, #696 of 2133 🔗

PS : I would also be disinclined for any woman of childbearing age to have the Pfizer vaccine until or unless it is conclusively proven that it does not cause fertility problems.

358062 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to John P, 4, #697 of 2133 🔗

The Pfizer information document (which I downloaded from the gov.uk website when it was first announced the drug was being given emergency approval for use (quite different thing from a license) says it has not done ANY research on the effects on the reproductive system. It specifically advises women who are pregnant or planning to get pregnant not to have the vaccine. But as Dr Gold points out, if NO research has been done on the effects on the placenta or fertility – not even in animals – how do the manufacturers know any potential negative effects (or adverse events as they are known) are not permanent? Since the MRNA technology has never ever been tried before in relation to vaccines who knows what the short, medium and long-term effects will be on the body? Incredibly dangerous to rush this through for such a mild disease. Some adverse events do not appear until years after administration, which is why there have always been long delays of 10 – 15 years before drugs are licensed. Highly suspicious too that everyone associated with the experimental vaccine is absolved from any litigation process, not just the manufacturers.

358163 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to ShropshireLass, #698 of 2133 🔗

Who granted the absolution?. Could a Supreme Court here, or in the US , overturn that absolution. There have been some Govt decisions here that have been overturned in the Supreme Court I think.

357915 Basics, replying to Basics, 28, #699 of 2133 🔗


Crowd cheers as restaurant in Italy opens, one of 50, 000 in mass opening. Tweet says this must happen in Britain soon.

357918 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Basics, 11, #700 of 2133 🔗

Viva Italia!

357927 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 9, #701 of 2133 🔗

Hear, hear. If this is a thing here, I will do the same.

358015 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to kh1485, 12, #702 of 2133 🔗

Good on you and good luck. Looks like the Polish are also issuing The Finger of Contraposition:


358078 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 6, #703 of 2133 🔗

Niech zyje Solidarnosc! (Long live Solidarity)

358109 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Alice, 2, #704 of 2133 🔗

That slogan takes me back, I was in Germany in ’89, saw it everywhere during those momentous times. Nice.

358138 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 4, #705 of 2133 🔗

I was a member of Solidarity in 1980, when it all began – just an ordinary member, not an activist, but I like to boast about it now!

By the way, you have the best name ever – makes me smile every time I see it.

358143 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Alice, #706 of 2133 🔗

Good for you Alice. And here we are again, eh?

When will people learn.

357925 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Basics, 5, #707 of 2133 🔗

I saw a heartbreaking clip of a young Italian man in his early 20s, he lived with his parents and they had a family restaurant in all their generations and he was in tears because they were struggling to afford to put food on the table themselves.

358136 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Basics, 2, #708 of 2133 🔗

Porca miseria for Lockdownistan

358164 ▶▶ mj, replying to Basics, 3, #709 of 2133 🔗

there is a comment that “ A movement has started in Belgium and spread to France for restaurants to reopen on 1 Feb regardless of what the govt. rules are”
this should spread

357919 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #710 of 2133 🔗

Next week – a new strain from Uzbekistan.

357950 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #711 of 2133 🔗

I was expecting a new strain from Sweden because they’ve been very very naughty

357963 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Major Panic, 11, #712 of 2133 🔗

Funny how these new strains come from countries with problematic leaders.
Expect a Syrian strain next week so that PeadoJoe can start the wars again

357990 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #713 of 2133 🔗

US (or should it be Amerikan?) military is reportedly sending more troops to the region already.

358198 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to awildgoose, 1, #714 of 2133 🔗

of course they are.
Nothing better for brown people than woke bombs

357924 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 3, #715 of 2133 🔗

Asymptotic spread.What is the latest thinking on this please?
A quick google came up with the “fact checked” https://www.healthline.com/health-news/most-covid-19-cases-come-from-people-without-symptoms but is there a refutal to this, please?

357956 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to arfurmo, 9, #716 of 2133 🔗

As far as I can remember from reading links on here a month or so ago, there were two studies done on asymptomatic transmission and both resulted in less than a 1% chance.

358072 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #717 of 2133 🔗

The Wuhan study published in Nature and the University of Florida study

357962 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to arfurmo, 7, #718 of 2133 🔗

I have just read the article. Unfortunately (in terms of your question), there is nothing to refute. The article does not present or even refer to any evidence. It is nothing but assertion, repeated and repeated. Indeed, the article during these repetitions even qualifies the assertion by using the word “likely”.

When Boris Johnson told parliament that seventy percent of all transmission was asymptomatic, he did not refer to evidence, but rather relied on the rhetorical flourish “as you all know.”

The narrators of the coronavirus crisis made up asymptomatic transmission to bolster their narrative, much like nineteenth century physicists made up ether to bolster their model of the physical world.

357966 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #719 of 2133 🔗

It’s naked propaganda Steve.

357964 ▶▶ John P, replying to arfurmo, 4, #720 of 2133 🔗

I think the word is asymptomatic spread.

I think it’s largely propaganda.

Clare Craig and a colleague had this published in the bmj in November:


358006 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to John P, 1, #721 of 2133 🔗

Indeed- an asymptotic is a function which gets infinitely close to rock bottom without ever actually getting there. Posters may be able to think of contemporary real-life examples.

358170 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to John P, 3, #722 of 2133 🔗

Asymptomatic spread was invented to explain the nonsensical PCR positives. PCR false positives and asymptomatic spread are inseparable from each other – disprove the asymptomatic lie and it takes down PCR and muzzles along with it.

358024 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to arfurmo, 3, #723 of 2133 🔗

Arfurmo Copied from my list of references:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/transcripts/who-audio-emergencies-coronavirus-press-conference-08jun2020.pdf?sfvrsn=f6fd460a_0  MK pgs 11-12
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2671 China’s August study on transmission. Result:
To infect one person in a group of 3,410, the asymptomatic group had to have close contact with 305 other people. So that’s a secondary transmission rate for asymptomatic people of 1:305.

Part of the rationale for mass testing is that it will identify asymptomatic carriers and they will be forced to self-isolate for 14 days, thereby reducing the risk that they’ll infect anyone. But according to the WHO, there’s very little evidence that asymptomatic carriers can transmit the disease. At a WHO press conference on June 8th , Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s technical lead on COVID-19, said:

We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They’re following asymptomatic cases, they’re following contacts and they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare and much of that is not published in the literature.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/has-the-evidence-of-asymptomatic-spread-of-covid-19-been-significantly-overstated-2/ Dr C Craig and Dr J Engler – analysis of reports worldwide 19 Dec 2020
Think there are more if you use Google Scholar to do searches on Elsevier Science, Science Direct and PubMed data bases.

358026 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to arfurmo, 3, #724 of 2133 🔗

Asymptotic transmission is where the government keeps telling you it’s getting closer and closer to your circle, but you never actually come into contact with it. 🙂

358052 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to arfurmo, 2, #725 of 2133 🔗

asymptomatic infection is biologically implausible – Dr Michael Yeadon –

358131 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to arfurmo, 1, #726 of 2133 🔗

I have just received an email update on the petition I signed ‘Do not start mass testing in schools or require asymptomatic students to isolate”

“We understand that the petitioner wants children to stay in school, even if they have the virus asymptomatically. For public health reasons,children who have the virus will need to isolate. The rapid testing programme is vital to breaking the chain of transmission and keeping students and staff safe in school. One in three people who have the virus have it without symptoms so could be spreading the virus unknowingly…”

The 1 in 3 ‘fact’ is now a central plank of the government’s crackdown on schools and the decimation of our children and grandchildren’s everyday lives.

358151 ▶▶ mj, replying to arfurmo, 3, #727 of 2133 🔗

there is no proof or evidence that it happens.. However the assertion allows the government to up the number of tests by alleging that 1 in 3 people is infected but asymptomatic, and so even though you have no symptoms, you can still kill grandma so you should assume you have it and so should get tested. My council tell me every week that i am an asymptomatic carrier.
And we know that more tests = more “cases” = more scaremongering and dodgy data for the BBC to report .

357926 Victoria, 2, #728 of 2133 🔗

Why Covid-19 has made journalism a risky Profession

Many Countries Weaponized the News in 2020
According to a June 5, 2020, article by Courthouse News, at least 16 countries had by then passed laws “targeting misinformation about the coronavirus.” According to Uladzislau Belavusau, senior researcher at the Asser Institute’s Centre for International and European Law, “Corona laws are often being used as a façade for the decline of democratic institutions ….

Countries that now have laws on the books that restrict reporting of news about COVID-19 and call for fines and/or the arrest of journalists accused of spreading misinformation about the virus….

IPI, which has been monitoring press freedom restrictions during the pandemic, also released the following image , showing the number of press freedom violations recorded across the world.


357930 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #729 of 2133 🔗

Mrs Mollari’s just been to the dentist. They made her wait outside in the cold (2C) and insisted on taking her temperature, which turned out to be a cool 33C. Quelle surprise.

Mrs Mollari noticed that one of the nurses was sneezing behind her mask and visor. “I’ve ben sneezing all morning,” she said.

It turns out that they had all received the first Pfizer jab least week.

357946 ▶▶ porgycorgy, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #730 of 2133 🔗

I’ve been sneezing all year, as if my immune system is constantly practising for something. Thank God I haven’t had a single cough! Hope that nurse wasn’t hoping to have children? Not that anything is proven or disproven. Just – why would you risk it, at such a young age?

357949 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to porgycorgy, 2, #731 of 2133 🔗

I havent had a sneeze or cough for decades…lucky old me……

357955 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to porgycorgy, 2, #732 of 2133 🔗

They all had it so maybe groupthink, social pressure etc. But it’s mad anyway as the Emergency Use Authorisation was based on there being two jabs, not one. They are not expecting the second one anytime soon.

357953 ▶▶ John P, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #733 of 2133 🔗

“Mrs Mollari noticed that one of the nurses was sneezing behind her mask and visor. “I’ve been sneezing all morning,” she said.”


357960 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to John P, 2, #734 of 2133 🔗

Could be, but given that many people develop symptoms after receiving the jab, maybe she’s got Covid.

357992 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #735 of 2133 🔗

Sneezing isn’t a symptom of Covid.

358099 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to John P, 9, #736 of 2133 🔗

Everything is a symptom of COVID. Infact, not having symptoms is the most common symptom of COVID.

358197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #737 of 2133 🔗

Can’t wait for RonaRhoids

358311 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JHUNTZ, #738 of 2133 🔗

Also true!

358310 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to John P, #739 of 2133 🔗


358008 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to John P, 1, #740 of 2133 🔗

Probably their body’s front of house immune response to the excessive build up of viral and bacterial particles on their mask!

358048 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #741 of 2133 🔗

taking her temperature, which turned out to be a cool 33C

same happened at the child’s school last year – every time made a sarcastic comment that the child is either dead or needs to be hospitalised

358070 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #742 of 2133 🔗

Had my check up cancelled yesterday. Over 12 months now since I last got to see my dentist

358127 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #743 of 2133 🔗

Same here, emergencies only.

357934 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #744 of 2133 🔗


Print off this toolkit and start serving them the papers and fining these stores and their hitlers who are bullying people.

358002 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Basics, 2, #745 of 2133 🔗

Yes, I did that a couple of days ago. Have also written to Sainsburys to complain about the Chief Executive’s email saying they are employing security guards to “challenge” anyone not wearing a mask and that they will refuse entry to anyone not wearing one, plus shoppers must shop alone. Pointed out only designated officers can challenge people or ask for details (or proof) of exemption – which many medical practices will not supply and simply refer patients to the exemption badge on the government website. Plus I pointed out that not all exemptions listed in the regulations are ‘medical’. Plus I pointed out some people need to shop in pairs and gave examples (someone with a hearing or mental impairment, or physical disability such as severe arthritis), partners of someone who does not drive – especially elderly, single parents with small children – especially now schools are closed. Mentioned the Equality Act 2010. Reply came back which essentially repeated the content of the original email and ignored every single point I had made.

358030 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #746 of 2133 🔗

I have not received replies from them or Morrisons.

358068 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to John001, 1, #747 of 2133 🔗

No reply yet from Lloyd’s Banking Group either, other than the automated acknowledgement.

358040 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to ShropshireLass, 4, #748 of 2133 🔗

‘Designated persons’ can challenge you if refusing, but *no-one* can ask you for proof of exemption. That would be the equivalent of “Can you prove you need that wheelchair?”, or indeed “Are you sure you are black?”.

357936 porgycorgy, 7, #749 of 2133 🔗

Good ‘sceptics’ again today, I thought. Picked up on the excellent Simone Gold speech on YT and the Canadian guy on Twitter who managed to predict the whole bloody scenario almost perfectly (as if it was some kind of script, who would have thought it?). Great stuff, plus accurate news from Norway – vaccine reactions. The ‘legal eagle’ didn’t really say much that we did not already knew, did he? What about the realistic prospects for suing re ‘wrongful arrest’ or ‘wrongful harassment’ or ’emotional distress’? That would have been more interesting.

357938 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 17, #750 of 2133 🔗

Lawsuits against the perpetrators and assistants of the fake Covid-19 pandemic are developing nicely. This is an extract from a newsletter by Reiner Fuellmich:

“…Lawsuit to declare void vaccine approval; constitutional complaint by a German judge against the measures of a Federal Government which has practically been kidnapped by the Davos Clique – measures which are destroying democracy and the rule of law.

1. Parallel to all these efforts, the Italian lawyer Dr. Renate Holzeisen is working with us and experts on a lawsuit against the EU Commission to have its approval of vaccines declared null & void – vaccines which are de facto untested and highly dangerous – in the case of the manufacturers Bioentech/Pfizer and Moderna, these are prohibited genetic experiments on humans. Meanwhile, the superbly versed and hard-hitting anti-Mafia public prosecutors are investigating the WHO and its Italian backers. In France work is progressing on a complaint to the Court for Human Rights.

2. A German judge (who we are in contact with) has submitted a constitutional complaint against the blanket measures of the Federal Government, these measures undermining democracy and the rule of law; the hope here is that – notwithstanding all concrete appearances – the head of the Constitutional Court has retained his independence. We have published these constitutional complaints on our news website and they can be submitted by anyone…”

( http://enformtk.u-aizu.ac.jp/howard/fuellmich )

This is good news: whatever is established in overseas courts (using the help of witnesses and experts, as well as expert opinions) can also be used as evidence in the U.K. and all other courts of the world.

357944 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Ross Hendry, 6, #751 of 2133 🔗

yep – good head of steam building up

357973 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Ross Hendry, 14, #752 of 2133 🔗

Fuellmich is an animal too, he was the guy that nailed VW for their emissions BS’ing. Glad this is in good hands.

357998 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ross Hendry, 3, #753 of 2133 🔗

Just a shame they’re spoiling it for themselves using phrases such as “captured by the Davos clique” which is unlikely to impress either a jury or a judge. If the courts believe they’re stuck down the rabbithole, that’ll be end of case.

358017 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, #754 of 2133 🔗

And I have skin in this case, to declare my interest.

358045 ▶▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to Nick Rose, #755 of 2133 🔗

You’re a regular attendee at the Davos beanfeast ?!

358437 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ross Hendry, #756 of 2133 🔗

No. Is Fuellmich?

358064 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #757 of 2133 🔗

Their language is probably extreme, you’re right. But they are alleging corporate capture of government bodies. That can’t be dismissed from what we have seen, the most blatant being Vallance and his Pharma shares

358433 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #758 of 2133 🔗

Agree that governments get lobbied and get lobbied hard by all sorts of interests. If Merkel et al were all under corporation influence, there would have been a massive trade deal between UK and EU. After all, they’re the ones who stand to lose most.

I hope something was lost in the translation. Parted ways with Dolan after he fell down the rabbithole.

357958 Gladiatrix, 6, #759 of 2133 🔗

Could Dr Fanning answer the following?
Can the relevant Chief Constables whose officers have wrongfully stopped and fined people during lockdown be prosecuted for misfeasance in a public office?
Also, could the families of those who have died of treatable cancers during lockdown bring charges of corporate manslaughter against the NHS Trusts responsible? It seems to me that if basic infection control measures had been employed all of these people could and should have been treated.

357965 Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #760 of 2133 🔗

News from my daily walk with Mr TT. Ambulance rotas have changed over – the daily one with its sirens on full blast is now at 11.45, rather than 11.15. Most people out and about did not have masks. Two middle aged, middle class women, with hats, gloves and face masks (possibly double-layered) observed 3m distance from us both, and each other, while forming an orderly queue on a standard sized path!

357968 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #761 of 2133 🔗

WHO Changes Definition of Herd Immunity

  • Herd immunity occurs when enough people acquire immunity to an infectious disease such that it can no longer spread widely in the community
  • WHO’s definition of herd immunity long reflected this, but in October 2020 it quietly revised this concept in an Orwellian move that totally removes natural infection from the equation
  • Immunity developed through previous infection is the way it has worked since humans have been alive: Your immune system isn’t designed to get vaccines; it’s designed to work in response to exposure to an infectious agent
  • This perversion of science implies that the only way to achieve herd immunity is via vaccination, which is blatantly untrue
  • It’s all part of the Great Reset: The rollout of widespread COVID-19 vaccination coupled with tracking and tracing of COVID-19 test results and vaccination status are setting the stage for biometric surveillance and additional tracking and tracing

Violating Science, WHO Changes the Meaning of Herd Immunity

This perversion of science implies that the only way to achieve herd immunity is via vaccination, which is blatantly untrue. The startling implications for society, however, are that by putting out this false information, they’re attempting to change our perception of what’s true and not true, leaving people believing that they must artificially manipulate their immune systems as the only way to stay safe from infectious disease.

.  Naturally Acquired Immunity Is Longer Lasting .
WHO Also Changed the Definition of ‘Pandemic’ .

357970 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Victoria, 1, #762 of 2133 🔗

Sneaky bastards

357984 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Victoria, 4, #763 of 2133 🔗

The World Health Organisation has recently, point by point, reversed itself on everything relating to this. When they reversed themselves on face masks, they did so, not on the basis of evidence, but as a result of political lobbying, as even The BBC reported. It would be useful to know who is doing this lobbying.

357994 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #764 of 2133 🔗

lol, I would think the usual suspects!

Who funds them?

358903 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, #765 of 2133 🔗

This newspeak is invalid.

357971 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #766 of 2133 🔗


A kind of rebillion happening in Poland with places opening. Please can someone post tge screen grab here. Good to document.

357982 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 15, #767 of 2133 🔗

Excellent – YWIMC.

357991 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to leggy, 2, #768 of 2133 🔗

Thanks legs.

358038 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 2, #769 of 2133 🔗

That is good to see

358058 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Basics, 4, #770 of 2133 🔗

That looks great. The Poles of course have a more recent history of pushing back against oppression. We have become lazy and weak by comparison.

358071 ▶▶ alw, replying to Basics, 3, #771 of 2133 🔗

Our businesses and hospitality sector need to grow some and do the same.

358914 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Basics, #772 of 2133 🔗

This is what I found.

357975 mouser, replying to mouser, 2, #773 of 2133 🔗

Not sure if this has been video has been posted on this site. Warning: it is a really upsetting video coming out of Australia. Sent chills down my spine.10 minutes long.


358003 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to mouser, #774 of 2133 🔗
358027 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 3, #775 of 2133 🔗

The counter to both of those is that the Auz one was staged, the Canadian one is the arrest of a pedophile for not appearing for his court date.

I view all these videos very suspiciously, not saying they are not true but manipulation is all spheres is rife right now.

358050 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #776 of 2133 🔗

I must say I struggle. I’d like to know the full truth about a number of things e.g. vaccine injury numbers but I’m not convinced either “side” is providing it.

357979 Victoria, 3, #777 of 2133 🔗

Wherever you live in the world, it’s likely that your mainstream narrative is filled with messaging crafted to engender stupefying fear and hence, create maximum compliance. It doesn’t seem to matter if the information broadcast is factually correct or not as these channels seem to be invisible to the ‘fact checkers’.

Our lead story deals with one such area that has been completely hijacked of late – that of herd immunity. Scientific and medical free speech has never been so threatened in the developed world. Please read, digest and share this information widely as herd immunity is exactly what we need to free ourselves from house arrest, and, despite what you’re hearing, it can most definitely develop naturally.

Is there more than one path to herd immunity?


357985 Victoria, 1, #778 of 2133 🔗

As the virus becomes more ubiquitous, it will be ever easier to apportion deaths to SARS-CoV-2. The focus on case rates will allow the pandemic to exist to eternity as low prevalence increases the rate of false positives in PCR and other molecular tests.

We need to get some perspective on what’s really going on.
Death in Europe and the US of A

See lots of graphs


357988 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 25, #779 of 2133 🔗

Even with the vaccine rollout at full throttle, the risk of an overwhelmed NHS will not abate until the over-50s are vaccinated

I am getting sick and tired of journalists writing rubbish like this. The implicit assumption is always that the vaccines are 100% safe and effective, when in reality this is a complete unknown.

Let me reiterate for anyone reading these comments who might not be a regular visitor: clinical trials for all these vaccines are incomplete, and they are unlicensed products having only been granted emergency use authorisation by the government.

357999 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Richard O, 9, #780 of 2133 🔗

As I’ve said before. This is the trial. Millions of healthy people. Even other countries pursuing vaccines have questioned the reckless approach of our government. Makes you proud doesn’t it?

358014 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Achilles, 16, #781 of 2133 🔗

I hate this government, in fact the whole Establishment for what they have done to my country and its people.

358051 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #782 of 2133 🔗


358001 ▶▶ John P, replying to Richard O, 21, #783 of 2133 🔗

They can fuck that. I’m 53 and I’m not being vaccinated.

358010 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to John P, 11, #784 of 2133 🔗

I’ll second that. The last vaccine I had was a tetanus booster 30 years ago. My immune system is functioning perfectly well on its own.

And as you have pointed out many times, we cannot even classify these products as “vaccines”.

358094 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Richard O, 3, #785 of 2133 🔗

Yes, calling it a vaccine is literally fake news.

358063 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to John P, 6, #786 of 2133 🔗

I am 72, fit and healthy, no underlying health conditions I’m not on any medication so I will most definitely not be having the vaccine. As I posted elsewhere on this site, “ Viruses mutate and as a result become weaker, they may become more infectious but most certainly do not become more dangerous.”

358195 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to John P, 2, #787 of 2133 🔗

51 and absolutely no way I’m taking the vaccine, whatever flavour they offer.

358011 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Richard O, 16, #788 of 2133 🔗

Unlicensed, untried and completely experimental. They are not vaccines, they are genetic modifiers.

357996 Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 8, #789 of 2133 🔗

Seen elsewhere but a valid question:

So is this new “more infectious strain” more infectious than the more infectious strain we’ve already got, or less infectious than the more infectious strain but more infectious than the less infectious one…?

Also stirrings in Peru – https://lpderecho.pe/jueces-covid-19-creada-bill-gates-soros-rockefeller-etc-nuevo-orden-mundial/ (need to us Google translate)

Viruses mutate and as a result become weaker, they may become more infectious but most certainly do not become more dangerous.

358066 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to alw, 1, #791 of 2133 🔗

The question was a little tongue in cheek. We are just told ‘danger strain’ without any data or evidence or that as you say, they usually mutate to become weaker (certainly if not interfered with).

358009 James, replying to James, 38, #793 of 2133 🔗

Hi Everyone,

I have taken time off from these pages but have been active recruiting people to the cause. I had a very busy and social Christmas which segued nicely into New Year. We had a fireworks party which was visited by the local constabulary who were very understanding and left after a short conversation.They had probably received a complaint as we are off the beaten track and difficult to find. In the face of it everything up our way is very compliant but if you dig a little deeper you find a lot of deep scepticism. Our local resistance group includes GP’s and rumours of police joining us. Things are not what they seem. So you all take heart. And I hear rumours that things might be about to kick off in the US.

I have found several good pieces of information which I will share later today.

Love to you all

358031 ▶▶ Annie, replying to James, 2, #794 of 2133 🔗

Good man, you hearten me immeasurably.

358046 ▶▶▶ James, replying to Annie, 6, #795 of 2133 🔗

You are very welcome, Annie. Good to see you are still here. If courage were visible you would glow.

358041 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to James, 2, #796 of 2133 🔗

Thanks for the upbeat post.

358125 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to James, #797 of 2133 🔗

That’s great news. Please do share how the local resistance is advancing so we all can take note for our own areas.

358128 ▶▶▶ James, replying to Pebbles, 1, #798 of 2133 🔗

It is a closed invitation only network. We send out leaflets to all local households. A big focus on 5G and vaccines . A big focus on how to stand up to the police. We are well funded.

359065 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to James, #799 of 2133 🔗

😂 this keep happening to me! You think you’ve found a nice ordinary, like-minded soul who opposes lockdown and they turn out to be a nut job.
My local network are literally preparing for Armageddon – they’re growing their own veg, buying Crypto currencies in case they can’t find anyone to barter for their veg and sourcing crossbows (legal apparently) in case anyone tries to steal them.

358012 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 2, #800 of 2133 🔗

Been thinking about a leaflet/poster. I wanted it to be a minimalist as possible, with just the one message.

Can people come up with the perfect last line please ? I’d like it to be as inclusive yet as specific as possible. Not that keen on my efforts so far …

358028 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JohnB, 1, #801 of 2133 🔗

Lockdowns kill businesses and jobs

358044 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Victoria, 3, #802 of 2133 🔗

..and people.

358056 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to JohnB, 2, #803 of 2133 🔗

ONS predicting 200,000 from lockdowns not Covid?

358067 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to JohnB, 1, #804 of 2133 🔗

Take back your freedom

358175 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JohnB, 2, #805 of 2133 🔗
  • Bankruptcies & insolvencies. soaring.
  • Hospital waiting lists. soaring (people waiting >1 year for treatment has now increased 100-fold in the last 12 months!)
  • Unemployment soaring. expected to head well north of 8 million.
  • People losing their homes. soaring
  • Starvation. Child poverty. soaring
  • Domestic abuse. soaring
  • Suicides (9 University students in England found dead in dorms shortly after return to campus & lockdown last yr; A North Wales coroner reported 7 suicides in 1 week at one point in 2020 & called it a “tiny snapshot” in a small area. London ambulance attending 37 suicides per day just in London area alone…)

Who is going to flatten these curves?

358313 ▶▶ mj, replying to JohnB, #806 of 2133 🔗

and so people do not work
and so people cannot work

358359 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mj, #807 of 2133 🔗

Sorry for being unclear. I was hoping for a suggested one-liner to replace the highlighted lines at the bottom.

Final version will just have one line there, saying ‘question/research/study’ or whatever a quality wordsmith can suggest.

358977 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JohnB, #808 of 2133 🔗

Put the URL instead of just LS?

358016 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #809 of 2133 🔗

Astonishing COVID-19 Testing Fraud Revealed
Fatal Errors Found in Paper on Which PCR Testing Is Based

November 30, 2020, a team of 22 international scientists published a review challenging the scientific paper on PCR testing for SARS-CoV-2 written by Christian Drosten, Ph.D., and Victor Corman. The Corman-Drosten paper was quickly accepted by the WHO and the workflow described therein was adopted as the standard across the world.

According to Reiner Fuellmich, founding member of the German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee (Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss, or ACU), Drosten is a key culprit in the COVID-19 pandemic hoax.

The scientists demand the Corman-Drosten paper be retracted due to “fatal errors,” one of which is the fact that it was written (and the test itself developed) before any viral isolate was available. All they used was the genetic sequence published online by Chinese scientists in January 2020.

The fact that the paper was published a mere 24 hours after it was submitted also suggests it didn’t even undergo peer review. In an Undercover DC interview, Kevin Corbett, Ph.D., one of the 22 scientists who are now demanding the paper’s retraction, stated:

See attachment below

The critique against PCR testing is further strengthened by a November 20, 2020, study in Nature Communications, which found no viable virus in PCR-positive cases at all. The study evaluated data from 9,865,404 residents of Wuhan, China, who had undergone PCR testing between May 14 and June 1, 2020.

A total of 300 tested positive but had no symptoms. Of the 34,424 people with a history of COVID-19, 107 tested positive a second time. Yet, when they did virus cultures on these 407 individuals who had tested positive (either for the first or second time), no live virus was found in any of them!


358032 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Victoria, 2, #810 of 2133 🔗

Unless this makes it into aGerman courtroom or the mainstream media in Germany or here, I fear it will be just back ground noise

358023 Victoria, #811 of 2133 🔗

[VIDEO] Are mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines Veiled Forms of Gene- or Chemo-therapy?

358029 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #812 of 2133 🔗

Awesome interview here with Dave Cullen (Computing Forever) and John Anthony regarding the NLP techniques used to impact the people and roll out this programme even anyone hasn’t heard it.

This is the shorter version about 45 mins but worth everyones time to look into the deeper aspects of this psychological attack on the people. This is about what happened in Ireland but equally applies to here.


358037 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #813 of 2133 🔗

Very good – and hopeful too.

358039 ▶▶ Jack, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #814 of 2133 🔗

UK Column have done a transcript of the full interview, which is here:


358217 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #815 of 2133 🔗

The reason there are so many Behavioural Psychologists involved on the UK SAGE panel revealed.

358065 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Caramel, 3, #817 of 2133 🔗

Aaaaaaagggghhhhh its the Grauniad.

358077 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Caramel, 3, #818 of 2133 🔗

Whitty is not wholesome.

358119 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Basics, 1, #819 of 2133 🔗

Though there are one or two tribes in the Amazon who might think him a reasonable starter!

358301 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to iane, #820 of 2133 🔗

Despite the risk of kuru/CJD?

358095 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Caramel, 3, #821 of 2133 🔗

Grim times. Oh grow up, Guardian.

358116 ▶▶ iane, replying to Caramel, #822 of 2133 🔗

Ah yes – my GroanAid!

358118 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Caramel, #823 of 2133 🔗

Just goes to prove the Gauniad is a Neo Liberal rag
100% behind the blue party of Davos

358120 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Caramel, 1, #824 of 2133 🔗

Oh dear… just when you thought the world will grow up and stand on its own two feet and not rely on fake saviours anymore… pass me the sick bag!

358135 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Caramel, 2, #825 of 2133 🔗

Sick inducing article from The Guardian.”

Aren’t they all?

358140 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Caramel, 3, #826 of 2133 🔗

I’m not clicking that link, but even just reading what it is was enough to make me laugh out loud!

358149 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Caramel, 1, #827 of 2133 🔗

So he’s saying nobody has been telling the truth all this time then….

358166 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Caramel, #828 of 2133 🔗

To be fair, they refer to Handycock as ‘Door Matt Hancock’. Does anybody like him?

358043 Al T, replying to Al T, 30, #829 of 2133 🔗

Well I girded my Loins and ventured to Tesco for the first time since the mask diktat. Hitherto, they have been brilliant.

I noticed there was a grim looking security guard standing next to the girl on the door, whom I’ve spoken to before. I’d armed myself with my amulet of understanding (exemption lanyard) in my pocket.

As I walked in, however, the young lass said ‘Good morning my darling, I know you’re exempt’.

So my faith in the staff there went up another notch.

358055 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Al T, 15, #830 of 2133 🔗

In public, I’ve refused to wear one from the start. Recently, I claimed exemption at work also. Ruffled a lot of feathers. I’ve now gone a step further, and out in an official complaint. Still haven’t been shown the risk assessment for the mask.

358101 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Al T, 3, #831 of 2133 🔗

I went to my local (huge) Tesco yesterday and they were brilliant. I have a sunflower lanyard. There was a female customer services lady and a security man on the door. I raised the lanyard as I approached and the guard just waved me on without a second glance and the lady (herself wearing a visor) smiled pleasantly and – clearly to make me feel welcome – said “That’s fine, I’ve got one as well”, gesturing to her lanyard. 10/10 for Tesco from me.

358049 Burlington, 4, #832 of 2133 🔗
358054 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #833 of 2133 🔗

A friend just told me Spotify is running plenty of Whitty adverts between songs. In yhe advert he is telling people to wear masks in own homes.

Unable to verify since spotify is not a place I will ever go. But my friend is reliable.

358060 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Basics, 4, #834 of 2133 🔗

Wouldn’t surprise me and no doubt there are people dumb enough to sit in their homes with a mask on!

358084 ▶▶▶ nootnoot, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #835 of 2133 🔗

Walked past a man out for a run, running with a mask on. Totally insane.

358096 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to nootnoot, 5, #836 of 2133 🔗

I’ve seen a few folk running outdoors with masks on as well. Just when you think stupidity levels can’t sky rocket any further.

358117 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #837 of 2133 🔗

I see them regularly here; they’re everywhere- walking, cycling, running.

Just wait for the zealots to follow the NYT’s advice and do the double mask thing.

Have any of these people actually stopped to think about unobstructed breathing and the fact that air is essential for life support, ideally without impedance?

358193 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to nootnoot, 1, #838 of 2133 🔗

I commented on this very sort of paranoid fuckery on here a few weeks ago:


But right down there in the product small print is this pearl of wisdom

  • Non-medical & non-surgical mask, does not protect against viruses

So really: What’s the fucking point other than milking the deluded and paranoid roasters for their cash?

I did email UA complaining about their cynical fear based marketing. Unsurprisingly I didn’t get a reply.

358293 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to nootnoot, #839 of 2133 🔗

He was probably breathing heavily. You should have schooled him in the error of his ways.

358061 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 61, #840 of 2133 🔗

Well, it’s happened. Some nasty, twisted b*****d has sent a photo of my boards to the Environmental Health Officer. She has actually sent a recorded delivery letter and quoted the words on my blackboard and bollocked me for it. According to her I am guilty of encouraging people to consume drinks and food on the benches. What a nasty, vile, horrible country this is. Boy, EHO, if you think my previous blackboard messages were snarky, you aint seen nothing yet.

358073 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to kh1485, 7, #841 of 2133 🔗

Haha please post a picture

358081 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to JHUNTZ, #842 of 2133 🔗

You beat me to that by about a second!

358088 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JHUNTZ, 28, #843 of 2133 🔗

This was the ‘contravention’ (different today as I change it most days depending on my mood!):

‘As predicted here we go again, again. Open for teas, coffees, hot chocolates, teacakes, crumpets and traybakes -served to the benches’

I mean, you can burgle someone’s shop, abuse them, deal drugs but hey, try and serve a teacake and a coffee and you are public enemy number one.

358093 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 5, #844 of 2133 🔗

On my reading, the message says you are prepared to deliver the refreshments to the benches. I do not see how that violates the rules.

358098 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #845 of 2133 🔗

That’s what we thought. But according to her, it’s because I am ‘clearly encouraging the consumption of food and drink to an area adjacent to your cafe which clearly your customers will use’. So, evil me, evil customers.

358103 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 1, #846 of 2133 🔗

And it’s clearly meant tongue in cheek. Not biscuit in gob.

358162 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 4, #847 of 2133 🔗

That sounds like she is saying: I don’t care what the words actually say, I know what they mean, and they mean what I want them to mean, regardless of what you say.

358296 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #848 of 2133 🔗

Local excellent Italian wine/coffee supplier being harassed by Swale BC because take away coffee drinkers sit on nearby public benches in the market place. CCTV across the way focused on him much of time, bastards.

358139 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 3, #849 of 2133 🔗

Wff !,many years ago EHOs were decent people who genuinely had the care of the public in their hearts but for years now a lot of them are power mad inadequates who take pleasure in tormenting decent,hard working people.
All you are doing is serving the food,surely where and how your customers consume it is their responsibility ?,if someone sells petrol and a person puts it in their car and then hurts somebody in an accident it isn’t the petrol sellers responsibility ?,or maybe it is now on clown planet.

358201 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 4, #850 of 2133 🔗

They were Paul. I was warned 17 years ago by a really lovely EHO about the direction of travel – it was going to be about box-ticking rather than an experienced professional using their knowledge to ascertain whether a shop was safe. They’ve had it in for me ever since I started questionning them!

358236 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 2, #851 of 2133 🔗

Our Sodexo own EHperson, freshly qualified, suggested I stick a probe into the sandwich packet to check the temperature, as we had a kiosk 8minutes walk from our base. We used a thermally insulated carrier. I countered that means I have to throw away at least 1 sandwich a day, she just looked at me blankly. Luckily our GM was there and she agreed with me.
She only considered her field and not the wider implications to the business.

358225 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 2, #852 of 2133 🔗

First the bandstand, now the benches.

I guess as EHO this person always take their own food and flasks when going for a day out as they do not trust any food sellers.

AS well, as so many premises are closed, they have nothing to do and come up with letters which have no legal basis.

358085 ▶▶ dhid, replying to kh1485, #853 of 2133 🔗

Her name?

358087 ▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 4, #854 of 2133 🔗

Board suggestion.

Try UK Column . Org for news

358090 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 6, #855 of 2133 🔗

I don’t know what you wrote but I hardly imagine it was the equivalent of shouting “Fire” in a crowded theatre.

Haha, crowded theatres, those were the days!

358126 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 6, #856 of 2133 🔗

guilty of encouraging people to consume drinks and food on the benches

That, in a nutshell, encapsulates the complete insanity of the predicament in which we find ourselves.

Keep fighting, we will win.

358281 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 2, #857 of 2133 🔗

You will need to find a way to challenge her in writing – her allegations are unfounded and could be regarded as harassment

358069 Basics, 6, #858 of 2133 🔗

BIG news: Citing post-vaccination deaths, Norway now says “very frail” people should NOT receive the #Covid vaccine.

Norway reports 23 post-vaccine deaths (out of only 25,000 shots). After examining 13, it says “side effects from the mRNA vaccines… may have led to deaths.” https://t.co/s1x668wSBI https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1349798503464230915?s=20

Pictures of paper press reports on tweet.

358083 Marialta, 9, #859 of 2133 🔗

Save our Rights is in process of building a brand new social media network saveourrights.uk/social-network I know they have a waiting list and do not have any more info yet.

358086 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 10, #860 of 2133 🔗


The asylum has been taken over : 2 are better than one!

The NYT recommends double masking.

Wait for the gullible to start falling over as they struggle for breath.

358100 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to wendyk, 5, #861 of 2133 🔗

I live in hope.

358137 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to wendyk, 3, #862 of 2133 🔗

Mask work and when they don’t it’s because people aren’t masking hard enough.

Mask Harder!

358141 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to wendyk, 1, #863 of 2133 🔗

Yes, you just couldn’t make it up. The New York Times went down the toilet years ago and doesn’t get any better.

358258 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tom in Scotland, #864 of 2133 🔗

They have probably bought shares in a mask company. Think Milo Minderbinder in Catch-22 saddled with a lot of cotton.

358179 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to wendyk, 1, #865 of 2133 🔗

I’ll see your two and raise three

358222 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to arfurmo, #866 of 2133 🔗

Balaclava +mask+mask=full house

358245 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to wendyk, #867 of 2133 🔗

Wait for the designer, ethically sourced O2 cylinder .backpack, complete with recycled biodegradeable plastic nozzle for those with more money than sense.

This will compensate for the dizziness, confusion and laboured breathing caused by wearing 2 masks.

For a small fee, the reusable refillable cylinder could be personalised: ‘I’m doing my bit and stopping the spread’; ‘I’m saving the NHS’.

358280 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to wendyk, #868 of 2133 🔗

Very effective to make sure everybody gets brain damage and other illnesses due to reduced oxygen levels.

358097 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #869 of 2133 🔗


Well that didn’t take long

“A leading virologist who said one of two Brazilian COVID-19 variants had been detected in the UK has now said the one picked up in Britain is not the one “of concern”.

358112 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #870 of 2133 🔗

South America cut off, plus Portugal and Cape Verde.

358104 James, replying to James, 5, #871 of 2133 🔗

Hi Everyone,

This is a very clear analysis of the psychology of totalitarian leadership. I recommend we all study it. It is part of the immunisation process. I sent it to Toby but he is ignoring me at the moment. You will
find it on Medium.

The Psychopathic Elite by Rev. Sheri Heller, LCSW

Also on Medium ( and Toby did tag this one ) is the 40 page report prepared by Simon Dolan and chums that implicates the CCP . It is very well drafted and worth an hour of your time reading carefully if you haven’t already. They are obviously collaborating with Fuellmich.

The Chinese Communist Party’s Global Lockdown Fraud by The CCP’s Global Lockdown Fraud

on Medium



358108 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to James, 4, #872 of 2133 🔗

Toby is still working through his own blind spot regarding the ‘bigger picture’…

That article about CCP is a brilliant summary of what has unfolded in 2020 and just how deep this syndicate’s network runs…

Here is the link:

BEST READ of the week. Basically a MUST READ.

358213 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Pebbles, #873 of 2133 🔗

Exporting the, “China Model,” and repaying the West for the, “Century of Humiliation,” are two of Xi and the CCP’s primary goals in life.

358110 ▶▶ Alice, replying to James, #874 of 2133 🔗

Is this the report sent to FBI?

358113 ▶▶▶ James, replying to Alice, #875 of 2133 🔗


358107 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 4, #876 of 2133 🔗

So pleased to this article today on Conservative Woman that offers a transcription of an interview with Catherine Austin Fitts that outlines the bigger plan:


Highly recommended read…

358130 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Pebbles, 1, #877 of 2133 🔗

I like Fitts, I recall she discovered a $2T hole in the US Defense budget, which was a bit of a eye opener, to say the least.

358196 ▶▶ John001, replying to Pebbles, 2, #878 of 2133 🔗

She probably goes a bit OTT on what the ‘vaccines’ being promoted today can do but otherwise seems very plausible.

Don’t dignify the Pfizer or Moderna products with the name ‘vaccine’. They’re a form of genetic therapy and should have gone through the normal drugs approval process.

There are quite a few conventional vaccines under development for SARS CoV 2. They bear at least some relation to the original concept of a vaccine, e.g. the one that protected us against smallpox.

Was it Churchill who used the term ‘perverted science’? There seems to be a lot of it around.

358285 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to John001, #879 of 2133 🔗

the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.

358111 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #880 of 2133 🔗

Toby Young getting great support on Today’s UK Column regarding IPSO decision.

UK C live now, you’ve probably missed the segment now but will be up to view on youtube bitchute and ukcolumn.org after about 3 pm.

358129 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #881 of 2133 🔗

Unmissable – UK C now have a roving ClapCam… looking for clappers!

358267 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, #882 of 2133 🔗

Link please

358176 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Basics, #883 of 2133 🔗

Will watch later after my muzzle free walk.

358114 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 20, #884 of 2133 🔗

I’ve given this some thought over time how we can succeed and stop this madness without giving the elite the ultimate goal of destroying everything from our freedoms to SME’s going bust.

I know believe I understanding what could be the end game for this, and if you haven’t watched this then you must do so…I think that is the best explanation behind all of this.


What’s against us

  • We know this isn’t about the virus.
  • We know know they’ve use FEAR and Emotion to control the people
  • We know most mainstream and ALL social media are complicit behind this fraud.
  • We know that PCR testing is being used to continue the narrative.
  • Lockdowns
  • We know this is a global campaign, all local/national governments are merely puppets in this game.
  • WE know that whatever the end-game is won’t be good for the majority of mankind.
  • We know all forms of protest and free speech is being oppressed both violently and technically.

What we know that can help us

  • We know facts and figures and medical studies do nothing to change the narrative
  • We know the virus isn’t that deadly so destroying the fear can be achieved.
  • We know there’s cheap, well used, effective treatments. (HCQ, Ivermectin, Zink Vit c&D)
  • We know that PCR testing produces lots of false positives
  • We know lockdowns do nothing other than kill people and destroy lives and bussinesses.
  • We know the vaccine is experimental is giving false hope
  • We know lockdows down’t work

So how do we use all of the above to fight back.

  • Fear, emotion and hope are all strong human traits we have to take advantage of.


  • We have to use fear to scare people about the experimenta l vaccine. Share stories of death and injury caused by the experimental vaccine. Tell people animal experiments always fail with this.
  • Always use the word experimental when talking about the vaccine. (That’s what it is) It’s a form of Neuro-Linguistic Programming that will place seeds of doubt’s in those who hear that word.
  • Tell people these vaccines are designed to cull the human race .
  • Scare people they will lose everything regardless if lockdowns continue the damage has been done. Their pensions they’ve worked all their lives for will be raided. Savings will be blocked . You will lose your home when you lose your job.
  • There won’t be any money left for the NHS, and law and order.
  • Tell people the new Coronovirus health act will force people to be locked up either if they suspect you are ill.
  • Tell people that their facemasks are making them ill , There’s a massive rise in fungal and fibroid pneumonia being caused by face masks. Exaggerate, remember facts and stats count for nothing in this game.
  • Stage fake fainting moments in public have a friend near by who will help you and make sure people around hear that the facemask is causing this. Do this in busy public places like large supermarkets by the front entrance. We have to de-normalised facemask wearing.
  • Food supplies will be hit. Tell people there’s a whole section in the Coronovirus health act about the food supply chain . They are worried this will collapse . You will starve to death if this continues much longer. Can you feed you and your family when there’s no food in the shops and what little there is will be sky high prices.
  • Hyper inflation. Shipping costs have gone up 500% from china. Speak to any supplyer of goods, and they will tell you all the same thing. All prices will sky rocket once existing supplies have run dry. So many people taking pay cuts or are on 80% salary.


  • Be fucking angry, everything you have ever lived for has been taken away. Don’t be afraid to show your anger. Let people know that these lockdowns are affecting you and millions of other people!
  • Be angry with your local goverment and MP. Tell them they have blood on their hands, send them repeated facts about HCQ and Ivermectin and tell them that because they are not allowing the use of these cheap effective treatments that they have blood on their hands.
  • Flood the BBC with complaints that they are letting the British people down by not talking about cheap effective treatments out there. The BBC keep telling us people are dying so why they doing their bit to help stop the deaths. They have blood on their hands.
  • Make people aware of these treatments and be angry about them not being used. Tell them they are widely used in Africa and India and their death rates are so much lower than here.
  • Be angry with the NHS for being a micky mouse service that killed all the old people. they have blood on their hands as well.

Emotion and hope to follow on another post.

358122 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Andrew K, 8, #885 of 2133 🔗

I think we should spend less time trying to save the collaborators
fuck them
We save ourselves

358269 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Crystal Decanter, #886 of 2133 🔗


358342 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Crystal Decanter, #887 of 2133 🔗

Collaborators will take us down with them, unless you want to be hiding out in caves for the rest of your lives. We can always execute both the collaborators and the perpetrators of this when we win. wow power really does corrupt hehehe

358393 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Andrew K, #888 of 2133 🔗

The collabs with tear eachother apart like piranhas first
Just keep a safe distance and stoke the pyres whenever you can

358123 ▶▶ James, replying to Andrew K, 4, #889 of 2133 🔗

Thank you for this. Can you let the folks at Recovery have this. They need to stop pussyfooting around.

358259 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to James, #890 of 2133 🔗

Hi James can you point me in the direction of who are Recovery and how to contact them?

358377 ▶▶▶▶ James, replying to Andrew K, #891 of 2133 🔗

Hi Andrew,

You can wrote to the founder Jon Dobinson at: Jon@other.co.uk or

They are an organisation lobbying and supporting politicians to oppose Lockdowns and associated measure. They are pretty switched on to what is really going on. They talk to influential people.



358133 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 6, #892 of 2133 🔗


  • Use this human trait well. Tell people that them wanting lockdown will kill millions. Tell them that millions of people are dying right now as a direct result of lockdown.
  • Tell people to look right n the eye of somebody whose teenage child has committed suicide because of lockdown and justify to them that lockdown is right.
  • We need a rallying cry. A resistance song that is catchy and powerful. Much like the French national anthem. Music involks power emotions in people. Does anybody know any musicians/songwirtters.


  • People need something to give them hope. Tell them countries with no lockdown are no back to normal. Belarus, Tanzania, Florida.
  • Tell people that this doesn’t kill that many people it’s got a very low IFR.
  • Tell people there are cheap effective treatments so no need for vaccine.

OK I’m tied after typing all that. You get my drift.. use the four human emotions and the knowledge we know to fight this battle you can add stuff to the list. we need this action to take hold and grow because I’ll be dammed to live as a slave to the rich elite.

PS please excuse some spelling and bad grammar in my comments

358378 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Andrew K, 1, #893 of 2133 🔗

Don’t confess to being a gramma killer!

358276 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Andrew K, #894 of 2133 🔗

Very Good! So true

358132 Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 5, #895 of 2133 🔗

Maybe turn it on its head, lockdowns are the reaction to an economic threat, not a biological threat.

Maybe lockdown is an economic freeze on the economy, throttling the flow of money and information while currency/economic reset takes place.

If that’s true we will be locked down using any excuse under the sun until the new mechanisms are in place. Meanwhile wealth transfer by the 1% pushes on in earnest, e.g. Gates buys farmlands etc, all running to safe havens before the deluge of inflation.


358159 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 2, #896 of 2133 🔗

Yes but bio-threat remains a narrative from which to raise the biosecurity state and biotech of genetic control – or humans as bio-asset within a control agenda.
Big Debt-Money remains the principle leverage that operates down vertically partitioned but lockstepped leverage of control – food, energy, medical care, most all else!

Over-control generates chaos under illusion of possession – then it flips!
Controlled conflict is not enough.
Where is the Life in this totally over controlling ‘reset’?
Don’t spout the PR!

358134 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 43, #897 of 2133 🔗

To all sceptics who may be a little worried or concerned about the so called muzzle crackdown don’t be… it’s all wind and piss the amount of muzzle wearer’s that tip me the nod and give me a thumbs up is growing, some even take the thing off and return it to there pockets I always say to those that acknowledge me “take it of and keep it of”… hold you heads up high skeptics most folks secretly admire you,but just have not got the courage to go that extra mile..we are on the right side of history stay strong…

358145 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #898 of 2133 🔗


358161 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #899 of 2133 🔗

Great post. Cheery words which carry the momentum of truth.

Just that I’ve never had anyone give me the nod or thumbs up yet … I guess I’m in the wrong part of the country.

358165 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to TJN, 3, #900 of 2133 🔗

Yes I think that different parts of the country would be a factor as well as the places you shop…

358232 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #901 of 2133 🔗

I don’t get the admiration vibe in shops, but I sometimes get a hint of it when I’m the only unmuzzled parent who drops their kids off at school and nursery. Could be wrong though. Then again who cares. I can keep going like this indefinitely.

358386 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to TJN, 2, #902 of 2133 🔗

Well done my friend you are correct deep down they admire you, just haven’t got the balls to be like you.

358409 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #903 of 2133 🔗

Well it’s really not that difficult is it. I’d find it a lot more distressing to ‘cover my face’ in front of my children. I hate to think what that might teach them.

358490 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to TJN, 3, #904 of 2133 🔗

Yes totally agree with you problem is the majority bow to social pressure typical herd mentality, your children come first and should never be subjected to the bullshit that engulfs us.. you keep rolling along stick with it.

358602 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #905 of 2133 🔗

You are turning into one of my favourite posters on here!

358633 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to TJN, 3, #906 of 2133 🔗

The feeling is mutual..

358168 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #907 of 2133 🔗

Any chance you could send someone to have a word with “Mugger Mullins” at Pimlico Plumbers who’s trying to force all new employees to have a vaccine – “no jab no job” – he needs speaking to.

358173 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to dhid, 9, #908 of 2133 🔗

Maybe we can arrange for Bruce and Biker to pay Charlie a social visit

358181 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to arfurmo, 7, #909 of 2133 🔗

Fire the Harleys up and go for a ride…

358228 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to arfurmo, 6, #910 of 2133 🔗

That would be an A Team!

Biker’s been quiet for a while. I hope all is ok. He said they’d be coming to get him.

358178 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to dhid, 6, #911 of 2133 🔗

Yes those wankers need sorting out wait and see how this one pan’s out..

358291 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to dhid, 4, #912 of 2133 🔗

They have said that no present employee will be forced to have the vaccine, BUT any future employees will have it written into their contract and will have to be poisoned!.

358372 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #913 of 2133 🔗

Well said, stalwart!

358398 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Annie, 2, #914 of 2133 🔗

Thank you my friend.

358142 Binra, 4, #915 of 2133 🔗

False testing for arbitrary definitions set by financial and corporate hegemony means that falsely interpreted stats keep the mind framed in narrative deceit.
This is operating as a death cult or death wish via a denial of truth set as a means for the reversal or inversion of thought, and is pervasive as the intent to evade Disclosure at all and any cost – as damage control or power struggle
The ‘House of Cards’ is a systemic corruption that by its nature (see para above) projects itself away and onto others, so as to feed on the manipulation of others as means of support, and can allow no real process of communication or relationship to know itself by sharing.

Humankind may now seem to be splitting into ‘different evolutionary forks’ according to psychic-emotional readiness for Disclosure.

The tern Disclosure is associated with a hidden ‘Alien agenda’. But its underlying meaning is of a kind with Revelation and Apocalypse – as the drawing aside of the curtain to reveal what was hidden and still seeks to hide in plain sight.

Alienation from our Self – can be called cognitive dissonance. Or those who know not what they do, for they are completely lost from who and what, in truth, they are. Such is the power of a mind set against itself.
Fear can split the mind. Or rather the denial and recoil from overwhelm of conflict operates as a split mind as a masking over. And thus sets the mind in the role of ‘making you safe’ as a psychic entity set over and apart from relational being, and yet subject to the measure of its own giving.

In a world where computer modelling is replacing empirical science – and not just in virology and epidemiology – we might heed ‘garbage in; garbage out’ as the basis to question all and any INPUTS to the result of such thinking or indeed computer assisted ‘thinking’.

Mainstream garbage is not just a filtered distortion of truth, but is an active undermining and attack on honesty as the means for uncovering what truly works, serves and aligns a true fulfilment. The only ‘post-truth’ is the ritual Crucifixion of demonising it and nailing it up as Terror Threat to ‘incentivise compliance’ by which to set the mind in possession of the means to manufacture ‘truths’ to suit its underlying compulsions by which a true desire for love and life is perverted to serve private gratifications acted out upon the body and the bodies of others and world.

An addiction allows no free awareness or choice until a ‘bottoming out’ in which the capacity to hide is lost to a recognition of no longer WANTING the heavy and isolating or ‘alienating’ burden of such a false and meaningless self-judgement which inevitably and automatically projects out to our relationships as something to get from or get away from – rather than be the unfolding of.

This post continues a little more on

358144 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 4, #916 of 2133 🔗

I thought I would post a letter I sent to my Welsh assembly member and the response. Due to the lenght I have split it in three, the letter I sent, the appendix attached to my letter and the response to my letter from the assembly member

I wish to write regarding the covid restrictions. I would like to ask do you agree with the restrictions imposed on Wales and if you agree with the restrictions, can you answer the following questions. I apologise for the number of questions but when draconian restrictions are placed which make things we take for granted such as having visitors in our home illegal, elected representatives have a duty to explain the justifications for these restrictions. These restrictions wouldn’t be out of place in North Korea.

1) The justification used for lockdown is the entire population must be quarantined and if this was not in place, people would infect each other, cause deaths and put the NHS under strain. Where is the evidence to support this assertion? If someone catches covid has any evidence been presented if people with covid have infected those they have been in close contact and fallen ill? As can be seen from the link below studies have shown people who live with covid victims have not fallen ill.

Risk of catching coronavirus from a family member you live with is just 16.6% | Daily Mail Online

Quarantining healthy people has never been done in a pandemic. The justification for quarantining healthy people is that healthy asymptomatic people can spread the illness. Being healthy and with no symptoms means you don’t have the disease. How do you spread a disease you don’t have? If asymptomatic transmission occurs, why as per appendix the NHS couldn’t answer a single question re asymptomatic transmission. Do you have access to any evidence which supports asymptomatic transmission and can you answer any of my questions in the FOI request? As per the link below, the evidence suggest the Chinese government lied about asymptomatic transmission. What are your views on the points made in the link below about the role of the Chinese government in making governments adopt lockdowns?

The Chinese Communist Party’s Global Lockdown Fraud | by The CCP’s Global Lockdown Fraud | Jan, 2021 | Medium

2) A justification for lockdown is the rise in cases which are the results of positive tests. I would like to know where these tests are being carried out. As can be seen from appendix A, a request was sent to the NHS to ask where positive tests are being carried out which they couldn’t answer and as requested I sent my request to the Department of Health and Social Care on the 23rd of November to which I have not received a response. As can be seen on the linked Facebook page and comments on the lockdown sceptics website, test centres have been noted to be empty which raises the question where positive test results are coming from. How can an increase in cases be used to justify draconian lockdowns when the authorities can’t answer a basic question such as where positive test results are coming from?

3) To introduce such draconian legislation we have seen since March, you would expect to see clear evidence of a deadly pandemic which justifies such measures. In my past ten months I have not seen people dying in droves, large numbers surviving but becoming severely ill or even people with mild symptoms such as coughing. I constantly hear from people they don’t know anyone with covid. Everyone around me is perfectly healthy. Without media coverage, draconian laws, government announcements and covid posters everywhere, you wouldn’t notice we were in a pandemic. How can draconian laws be justified when there is no visible evidence we are in a pandemic?

4) Flu is an infectious disease which puts the NHS under strain every winter. It has never been suggested we put the entire population under house arrest, destroy our civil liberties, criminalise perfectly normal activities such as seeing friends and family, shut down our economy and take people’s livelihoods away to prevent further flu infections and prevent the NHS being put under strain. What makes covid different to justify such an extreme response?

5) As can be seen from appendix A, I have sent numerous FOI request which either have not responded to my questions or were unable to answer my questions. Why should the population be subject to extremely draconian restrictions which has turned Wales and other parts of the UK into an open prison when the government can’t provide evidence to justify these restrictions?

With regards

358146 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Ianric, #917 of 2133 🔗

Appendix A

Lockdown justification: Cases are rising and restrictions are necessary to prevent further infections.

Result of FOI request: The following E mail was sent to the NHS to establish were cases were coming from. The NHS sent a reply saying this was not the responsibility of the NHS but the Department of Health and Social Care. The E mail was sent to the Department of Health and Social Care on the 23 rd of November and an acknowledgement of the query was received on the same day but no response has been received to my query.

I would like to make a freedom of information request on two subjects.

Subject 1

As per the link from facebook, it is mentioned that a covid test centre is empty. I raised the issue of a empty testing sites on a site called lockdown skeptics and the below are the responses I received. The justification used for draconian regulations is that cases are going up but empty test sites raises the issue where positive test results are coming from if test centres are empty. Can you provide the following information for positive tests results for coronavirus which were done from the 1 st of September until the 23 rd of October throughout the whole of the UK

In which centres were these tests carried out

How many attended each day in the period I requested.

How many positive results were obtained each day.



12 days ago

I was reading a post on an anti lockdown Facebook site and it was pointed out by the author they had been past Covid test sites which were empty and the question was raised where cases are coming from if testing sites are empty. Have you been past testing sites and found them empty. Do you think the government is lying about positive test cases.





11 days ago

Reply to Ianric

Do you think the Pope is a Catholic?





12 days ago

Reply to Ianric

This has frequently been reported at LS, there is a clear view of our test station and it is always empty except for staff in hi viz bibs.





12 days ago

Reply to karenovirus

I passed within 10 metres of the drive-in testing station at Bidston Moss in Merseyside, yesterday. You know, the place where the cases are allegedly going through the roof. Not a single car in the queue. Meeters-and-greeters sitting on picnic chairs chatting to each other. Not a single car in the queue. NOT A SINGLE ONE!

We are being lied to (even more than normal).



Subject 2

As per the videos from youtube there have been cases where people where told they have tested positive without being tested.



Can the following questions be answered.

1) Are people who were told they tested positive without being tested included in positive test statistics

2) Since the beginning of lockdown in March, are there statistics available on the number of those who were classed as testing positive without being tested.

Lockdown justification: Asymptomatic people can spread coronavirus which is why lockdown rules must apply to everyone.

Result of FOI request: The E mail below was sent to the NHS and as can be seen the NHS couldn’t answer a single question.

“I would like to make a freedom of information request regarding the subject of asymptomatic transmission. Could the following questions be answered :-

* Has any research been carried out by the government into asymptomatic transmission.

* If research has been carried out into asymptomatic transmission, can the following be answered

How do asymptomatic carriers spread the disease as unlike symptomatic carriers they will not cough or sneeze.

How long do asymptomatic carriers stay infectious.

Are asymptomatic less or just as infectious as symptomatic carriers.

* Have there been documented instances of people who tested positive but had no symptoms and those around them fell I’ll.

* Is the possibility of healthy asymptomatic people spreading coronavirus a major factor in placing draconian lockdown laws on the entire healthy population.

* If there is no evidence of asymptomatic transmission, would the government still feel draconian lockdowns which apply to whole population would be justified.”

Lockdown justification: covid is highly infectious. If people with covid interacted with others they would infect them.

Result of FOI request: The E mail below was sent to the NHS and they were unable to answer my questions and I was told to contact Public Health England

“Sir Patrick Vaccine

Not so dangerous

Risk of catching coronavirus from a family member you live with is just 17% and only one in three people pass it on their spouse, study finds

Researchers analyzed 54 studies with more 77,000 participants reporting house

358152 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Ianric, 2, #918 of 2133 🔗

Response from assembly member

Dear Mr

Thank you for your email with concerns about Covid-19 restrictions.

I generally support the laws and restrictions that have been put in place in Wales to reduce the spread of the virus, to protect our communities and to prevent our NHS services being overburdened. In Arfon we have seen relatively low numbers of cases but, of course, each case is a life affected and each death is a tragedy, no matter that we have seen lower numbers here than other parts of the country. I am aware of the impact of the restrictions on constituents’ day-to-day lives and appreciate the difficulties caused by lockdowns, but I do believe that restrictions are needed for the time being.

To respond to your questions:

1.      The Technical Advisory Cell provides the Welsh Government with information to aid with its decision-making. Details here: https://gov.wales/strategy-evidence-coronavirus&nbsp ;

I understand that not everyone who gets the virus becomes seriously ill but the potential for them to infect others, who may fall seriously ill, is high, especially with the new highly-transmissible variants of the virus that we are now seeing emerge.

The long-term effects of Covid-19 are also not yet clear and I believe that research is being undertaken into ‘Long Covid’ and myriad life-long health problems that are potentially caused by the virus. Not enough is currently known about asymptomatic transmission and so I feel that erring on the side of caution, rather than taking risks, is the best approach to reducing the impact of the virus on the population.

I am unable to provide responses to the FOI requests you have made as I do not hold the information you are asking for.

2.      Information on the test and trace programme in Wales can be found here: https://gov.wales/test-trace-protect-your-questions&nbsp ;

There have been 176,056 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in Wales as of 13th January 2021. That’s an increase of around 1,700 in a week. Information on positive cases per health board area and local authority can be found here: https://public.tableau.com/profile/public.health.wales.health.protection#!/vizhome/RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary

3.      There have been 4,117 deaths in Wales due to Covid-19. While some people like yourself have been lucky to not know anyone who has had the virus, I personally know of many who have been affected and believe this to be the case for the majority of people in Wales.

4.      Flu is an entirely different virus and I don’t believe that comparisons with Covid-19 are helpful.

5.      If you have not received responses to your FOI requests, I can only suggest that you re-submit them to the appropriate bodies. I don’t agree that Wales has been turned into “North Korea” or an “open prison” due to the steps that have been taken to minimise the spread and impact of Covid-19. As mentioned above, I know that the restrictions cause difficulties for many of my constituents but I support the action being taken to protect lives.

I hope that this information is of use to you.

Yours sincerely,

358202 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Ianric, 2, #919 of 2133 🔗

What a load of bullshit – I received a similar response from my MP, despite quoting statistics and enclosing peer reviewed scientific articles. Sent my already high blood pressure into the red zone. So the response you received is not surprising. Either the majority of government ministers are too lazy to do their own independent research, or they too have been brainwashed, or they have their own agenda(s) which has nothing to do with wanting to protect their constituents.

358207 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ianric, 3, #920 of 2133 🔗

Don’t vote for this fascist. His response is: we don’t follow real science, we make up data, we ignore parliamentary and legal processes, don’t care about the dead at home who can’t get care, and sod off about freedom, jobs, mental health and reality.

358294 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to FerdIII, #921 of 2133 🔗

yes,more or less a summary of the only response I had from my MP (he has just ignored my subsequent correspondence) – the takeaway I got from him was ‘I really don’t care what you think, what makes you think you count for anything, I can do what the fuck I like’

358363 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ianric, 3, #922 of 2133 🔗

Population of Wales is over 3 million.
Just over 4000 covvideaths.
And most of us knew those people?
My lord, we are even more interbred than I thought.

358147 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #923 of 2133 🔗

Readers of LS will be over joyed to learn that the Emerald Isle has completely eradicated seasonal flu. Isn’t this wonderful news! Don’t believe me?

listen to Colm Henry (chief clinical officer of Ireland) saying precisely this last Sunday morning on RTE
The best bit starts at 1min 48 secs.


358155 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #924 of 2133 🔗

Yes, and the mass flu vaccination programme continues regardless.

358156 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #925 of 2133 🔗

“The word bulldozer wandered through his mind for a moment in search of something to connect with.” – Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

How can you not make the connection? And that’s the Chief Clinical Officer? Dear Christ.

358169 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #926 of 2133 🔗

Logical conclusion -muzzles in the would be flu season forever more

358148 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 13, #927 of 2133 🔗

Does anybody (sceptic that is) believe that governments will give up the powers they have awarded themselves?

358154 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #928 of 2133 🔗


358160 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #929 of 2133 🔗

They would be rightly frightened to do so. And they are enjoying themselves now, so why would they ever stop?

Parliament is actually irrelevant now. A while ago someone here compared it to the Reichstag after 1933. It is purely ornamental. We live in a changed world.

358167 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #930 of 2133 🔗

The US has been in a State of Emergency since 9/11. It is reviewed every year.

I think that answers your question.

358180 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #931 of 2133 🔗

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha….(deep intake of breath)….ha, ha, ha, ha, ha….

358183 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #932 of 2133 🔗

I stopped paying Income Tax they day the Napoleonic wars ended.

358192 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Smelly Melly, #933 of 2133 🔗


358230 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Smelly Melly, #934 of 2133 🔗

Not until they all hang (in Minecraft)

358150 Sam Vimes, 23, #935 of 2133 🔗

I want to see a reduction in the use of face coverings. I admit it, I’m a mask abater!

358153 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 31, #936 of 2133 🔗

Just seen an old chap I know for the first time in months out walking his dog. Yorkshireman, must be 80 if he’s a day. Was a regular in the pub back in the days of sanity. I remember he was hacking his lungs up constantly for what seemed like months in the winter of 2019-20. Recall thinking afterwards that it was quite likely he’d had Covid.

Seemed very much alive, maskless and we stopped and had a good chat. There are a lot of sensible people out there just getting on with their lives.

358191 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #937 of 2133 🔗

Scientific evidence has proven SARS-CoV-2 was circulating quite widely back as far as September 2019, so your assessment of this Yorkshireman’s condition is certainly feasible. As to just getting on with their lives goes – just wish we could, but many normal activities and human behaviours have been made criminal offences.

358233 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #938 of 2133 🔗

Problem is all the other Coronaviruses can do the exact same thing to vulnerable people.
We never panicked about it before

358157 samm, 2, #939 of 2133 🔗

Its extremely annoying that you’ve changed the way we loogin and now require a 12 digit password!! Just for comments why is this necessary? I’l not remember it and waste time continually resetting it!

358158 samm, replying to samm, 2, #940 of 2133 🔗

Here the proof of our vaccine passports that the government have denied we were to have
With additional backing from Innovate UK, which initially funded the development of a successful working prototype, the Mvine-iProov passport will now be tested by Directors of Public Health within the National Health Service (NHS) in the UK. Mvine and iProov aim to complete two trials by 31 March 2021, giving Directors of Public Health across the country the confidence to deploy the passport at scale to benefit their local areas.

358199 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to samm, 3, #941 of 2133 🔗

And the micro-chip comes when?

358205 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to FerdIII, #942 of 2133 🔗


Researchers at Rice University in the US have already developed a rapid means of applying something like a quantum dot tattoo.

358255 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to samm, #944 of 2133 🔗

They’ve outright denied it three times at my count.

There’ll no doubt be councils falling over themselves to be first to bring this in so they can ‘build back better’ with a Covid secure business environment. They’ll see it as vital they are one of the first to adopt it in fact, so they can signal to corporates they are on board.

358171 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 14, #945 of 2133 🔗

Its worth repeating time and again, this is just a TESTademic. Without PCR tests there would not be a shortage of hospital staff, patient admission would be less and discharges would be higher. Without PCR tests ‘cases’ would be defined as people with symptoms and be a fraction of those hyped by the media.
The world, its people and economies are being ruined by the PCR test and its fanatical employment.

358200 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to peyrole, 4, #946 of 2133 🔗

PCR is a process, not a test.

PCR inventor Kary Mullis is on video stating this.

358243 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to peyrole, 1, #947 of 2133 🔗

I agree with your sentiments completely, but why are we spending time promoting new words? We already have case-demic and scam-demic. Why do we need testademic? We are already losing the PR battle and now we are simply diluting the message with new catch phrases.

358286 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to peyrole, 2, #948 of 2133 🔗


358177 leggy, replying to leggy, 7, #949 of 2133 🔗

There was a Simone Gold video posted several times yesterday, it warrants reposting. It’s nearly an hour but I’d highly recommend to watch it before it gets removed.


358244 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to leggy, 4, #950 of 2133 🔗

It’s excellent. Just imagine if we had such passionate people here fighting our corner, instead of the effete idiots we do have, pretending they’re being robust.

358277 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Banjones, 1, #951 of 2133 🔗

actually I’m grateful for ANY dissenting voice, they are so few and far between

358184 JanMasarykMunich, 4, #952 of 2133 🔗


US-based petition, but seems anyone can sign. Please do, and share regularly here to make sure everyone sees it.

This is, IMO, a global battle and the US the key battleground. Dr Simone Gold is pretty good. A few small points I might demur at, but on the whole uplifting stuff. (Nothing much new to most on here, but could be worth recommending to anyone not sure about ‘vaccine’)


358186 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 6, #953 of 2133 🔗

I’ve just been watching this Canadian GP. He’s one of us! Everything sceptical you need to know – put clearly, concisely and in a measured way. He really does confirm that we’re being HAD good and proper.

358273 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Banjones, 1, #954 of 2133 🔗

if we needed any more confirmation – still, it’s all grist to the mill

358187 ShropshireLass, 11, #955 of 2133 🔗

I encourage LS members to watch the video by Dr Simone Gold – 2nd item listed in the Round up, then sign the petition to stop ANY mandatory action (whether legislated or by default i.e. the back door) of what is essentially an experimental vaccine: https://stopmedicaldiscrimination.org/home#70e6fd07-bde5-4b32-87f8-16b43017c400
Worth sharing far and wide by email, letter, and any social media platform you use that allows this. If we don’t all do this one small thing, who knows where this will lead, and how the process will be abused in the future.

358189 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 8, #956 of 2133 🔗

Oh jeez, what is Bill Gates` fav fat clown going to announce today at 5pm.

358208 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to nickbowes, 5, #957 of 2133 🔗

I said last week, they will double down, day by day, now. Not that anybody needed telling.

358240 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to nickbowes, 6, #958 of 2133 🔗

We can take a reasonable guess by looking at countries that are even further along the path to becoming totalitarian hell holes than we are. France has just introduced a 6pm curfew so a curfew could be a possibility. Increasing mask mandates is always a good bet, maybe masks to be worn everytime you leave the house.

358262 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Chicot, 2, #959 of 2133 🔗

That’s the next big step. Curfew maybe a stepping stone but they would love masks to be mandatory everywhere.

358265 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #960 of 2133 🔗

Ah well, at least they can’t station a mask goon at my front door to irritate me.

358268 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #961 of 2133 🔗

god, don’t give them any ideas

358270 ▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #962 of 2133 🔗

Not so sure. They will have the ‘citizens police force’ ready and willing to police this everywhere.

Neighbour outside his house without a mask? – ‘call crime stoppers!’

358252 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to nickbowes, 6, #963 of 2133 🔗

That’s he’s stepping down because he’s fxcked up badly.

358263 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #964 of 2133 🔗

we can only dream!

358260 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, #965 of 2133 🔗

Nut nut takes it up the but but

358314 ▶▶ leggy, replying to nickbowes, #966 of 2133 🔗

We all have to have a Brazilian, hairdressers will be given special dispensation to open but we will be required to wear a plastic bag on our heads.

358321 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to nickbowes, #967 of 2133 🔗

he’ll tell footballers they can’t kiss and hug-even manly handshakes will be banned.

358190 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 13, #968 of 2133 🔗

Apologies if already posted. This needs to be squashed immediately or we are doomed.


“I think it will be the norm in five or six months. To go into a bar or cinema, or go on a plane, you have to have a vaccine,” he added.

358206 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Chicot, 11, #969 of 2133 🔗

That sentence says it all. Idiotic on a scale I could never have imagined really.

358249 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Chicot, 4, #970 of 2133 🔗

What he wants and what he gets will be entirely different. Any kind of discrimination will come back to bite their R’ses.

358279 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Chicot, 3, #971 of 2133 🔗

Don’t get me started on him! He’s is all in favour of the “Call me Dave” Big Society! These places won’t even exist then, even less so when they demand only the vaxxed get to go to them! So many now are starting to see the dangers of accepting this thing, and being the lab rats for the worlds largest “medical” experiment.

358318 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Chicot, 1, #972 of 2133 🔗

won’t work-it’s one thing to demand the staff vaccinate. Will he refuse custom from someone who can’t prove they are vaccinated?

358194 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #973 of 2133 🔗

Prepare for even more harsher lockdown, the Brazilian strain is here already….FFS.


358214 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #975 of 2133 🔗

That’s good that it’s not, but I think El Presidente Sturgeon will not tell people that….

358221 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #976 of 2133 🔗


358238 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 3, #977 of 2133 🔗

For the “Brazillian” I guess 🙂

358204 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 6, #978 of 2133 🔗

For those wanting to make sense of events in US, including Big Tech censorship, I strongly recommend constitutional lawyer Robert Barnes talking with fellow lawyer Viva Frei.

Barnes is utterly scathing about QAnon, Lin Wood and Sidney Powell, whose involvement he considers has all the hallmarks of an operation to divert attention from the actual serious electoral fraud issues.


358226 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #979 of 2133 🔗

I believe Barnes is absolutely correct Q, Powell, and Wood were all distraction ops.

Notice how they have all gone silent after the electoral college count on the 6th.

358272 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #980 of 2133 🔗

Barnes, Frei and Richard Baris are all excellent and really help to make sense of what on earth is happening over there. Lin Wood seems to have gone nuts. Powell has been suckered by a sophisticated disinformation campaign. Very sad after all she did for Gen. Flynn and to expose the dirty cops facilitating Obama and Biden’s (totally ‘by the book’) spying on candidate and then President Trump.

358210 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #981 of 2133 🔗

Note the language being used in this report. “Tier 1 freedoms ” which implies that freedom is bad and also that higher tiers are a loss of such freedoms.

COVID-19: Cornwall’s pre-Christmas Tier 1 status ‘directly linked’ to new year surge in cases The county has seen a 120% increase in positive cases in a month and has only one major hospital to cope with the crisis.


Health officials in Cornwall say the “dramatic rise” in COVID-19 cases in recent weeks is “directly linked” to Tier 1 freedoms enjoyed by the county in early December.

358219 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 15, #982 of 2133 🔗

How can they possibly know that?

Lying bastards

358320 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Nobody2021, #983 of 2133 🔗

By the same logic, tier 2/3/4 “freedoms” were linked to the “dramatic rise” in “cases”.

358211 alw, replying to alw, 8, #984 of 2133 🔗

I was moved to tears when I read this is happening in the country of my birth. The impact lockdowns have had on third world countries is truly devastating. Millions upon millions more face poverty and starvation thanks to substandard politicians and their second rate advisors. lockdown is off futile. A long but must read.

We have all had to face the damaging impact of Covid-19, but none more so than in South Africa as wine producer, Bruce Jack, explains in this deeply personal account of life on the front line of a pandemic and government alcohol ban.”


358212 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to alw, 5, #985 of 2133 🔗

But if it saves a life it’s worth it.

358223 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Nobody2021, 15, #986 of 2133 🔗

If a vegetative 95 year-old granny gets two more weeks it’s totally worth it.

358254 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to awildgoose, 9, #987 of 2133 🔗

My 99 year old gramma deserves to live until 99 1/2

358216 Sam Vimes, 15, #988 of 2133 🔗

Aaaiiieee! R is between 1.2 and 1.3, whereas last week it was between 1 and 1.4 Oh no!! That’s like a million percent or something, well it’s killing baaybeees anyway! Stay home, sleeep in the fridge wear ten masks, we could all die tomorrow, I’ve been saying that since March, Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa…..

358218 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 13, #989 of 2133 🔗

“No doubt at all it is spreading in Supermarkets” says the Rapist’s Dad. Must have tested people before and after shopping, using a reliable test, then eh?

358224 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #990 of 2133 🔗

When people like Drakeford use the phrase “no doubt” it should be translated as “I don’t know, but I shall just make up facts”

358231 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #991 of 2133 🔗

Why can’t just one ordinary person stand up and say “How the fuck do you know that? Go, on, if there’s no doubt you must have proof – what is it?”

358257 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #992 of 2133 🔗

Oh, I would just love to be one of those ‘members of the public’ asking a question.

358237 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Sam Vimes, 15, #993 of 2133 🔗

If people spread the virus and you restrict the places people can go then it stands to reason the virus will spread where people are.

It’s like all knowledge was lost in 2020 and the world decided we need to act as if nothing prior existed.

358335 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Sam Vimes, #994 of 2133 🔗

Not doubt that will be blamed on the tiny number of unmasked rebels.

358730 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Sam Vimes, #995 of 2133 🔗

It’s the same when politicians and their advisers have been telling us that this or that variant has been spreading quicker than previous variants. How do they know? It would take a very sophisticated monitoring system of hundreds, if not thousands, of people under controlled conditions over a significant length of time to prove such a fact. Does anyone truly believe they have such evidence? I certainly don’t.

358220 Al T, replying to Al T, 8, #996 of 2133 🔗

Consultant NHS shroud waver, at a hospital
somewhere, Dr P Anic-now said ‘In common with most Corinaviruses, we expect the Brazilian strain to wax and wane, however the NHS cupboard is bare and there will be some hairy moments before spring’.

358229 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Al T, 5, #997 of 2133 🔗

Have you noticed how the lockdownistas constantly use metaphors, rather than make precise statements?

358227 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #998 of 2133 🔗

Bunter, Statler and Waldorf at 5 pm. Who’s been naughty, then?

358234 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #999 of 2133 🔗

Me, it would appear!

358253 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 3, #1000 of 2133 🔗

Ah, remember those heady days, long ago, when I said it will be Saturday, and you said “followed by Monday”… Life was simpler then.

358266 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1001 of 2133 🔗

Yes, those were the days …

358235 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1002 of 2133 🔗

Nothing to do with me. I have an alibi.

358248 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1003 of 2133 🔗


358251 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1004 of 2133 🔗

Damn that CCTV!

358250 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Sam Vimes, 15, #1005 of 2133 🔗

I coughed in Asda
20 grandma’s confirmed dead

358312 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1006 of 2133 🔗

Ah but was it careless?

358261 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1007 of 2133 🔗

Would much rather it be the muppets than this shower of shit

358341 ▶▶ mj, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #1008 of 2133 🔗

its friday – its 5 oclock and its Crackerjack . Just timed nicely to ruin the whole weekend

358354 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to mj, 3, #1009 of 2133 🔗

Bunter will now attempt to copy Krankie in wrecking the economy.

358369 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to mj, 2, #1010 of 2133 🔗

Yes, it’s purely about punishment, now.

358373 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #1011 of 2133 🔗

Calls for a large glass of wine and NO TV MEDIA BRIEFINGS. I shall also switch off my phone so no tedious WhatsApps from any of my sheeple friends or family.

As a Brexiteer this time last year I had such high hopes of Boris et al and the main gripe was the remainiacs blocking celebrations on 31 Jan.

Now I’d like to flush Boris’s head down the bog.

358381 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Andrea Salford, #1012 of 2133 🔗

Snap, Andrea.

358376 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1013 of 2133 🔗

I think it’s Tim Spector and the Cambridge people who say infections peaked before LD and R0.6 in London. I expect W&V are going to say it’s not true, and B is going to announce something draconian that MH has just dreamed up.

358239 JanMasarykMunich, 3, #1014 of 2133 🔗

Legal aspects of forced vaccination debate.

I am happy that Robert Barnes is getting involved in this. Up until recently I think he has been tied up with electoral issues.


358242 Bella Donna, 8, #1015 of 2133 🔗

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358256 Sam Vimes, 6, #1016 of 2133 🔗

It’s brilliant. They make more and more announcements, at shorter and shorter intervals, and that increases the sense of panic that lets them make more and more announcements…

358264 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 7, #1017 of 2133 🔗

Article on mental health is quite good.

Yet the BBC podcast was typical in failing to see the wood for the trees. The argument was that inequality is exacerbated by Covid, and that mental health support should expand. But there was no criticism of lockdown, as if it were merely incidental, rather than the most destructive state intervention in young people’s lives since the slaughter of the First World War.

358278 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 6, #1018 of 2133 🔗

Yes, all of the BBC’s ‘how to cope’ advice – good as it is – rests on the basic assumption that the current state of affairs is not to be resisted, that it is as much a fact as the very sun in the sky.

358284 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #1019 of 2133 🔗

This how to cope makes me want to vomit. It is no good trying to treat a mental disorder while the cause of it is ongoing.

358274 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 22, #1020 of 2133 🔗

Succour and defend a brother in need, fellow LS ers. I embark now, upon a dark and solemn journey. My goal is to reach the hallowed state of ‘5pm’ before having a drink. Pray for me…

358275 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1021 of 2133 🔗

I am so with you. Just remarked to myself, how bored I am and would love to go to the cinema!

358287 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1022 of 2133 🔗

Stay strong …

358322 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 10, #1023 of 2133 🔗

Abstinence diary, 3.20 pm. “30 minutes in, so far so good. Am doing house work, and getting by on sniffing the Mr. Sheen. 1 hr 40 to go, may the Dyson be with me.”

358329 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1024 of 2133 🔗

You’re bloody barking … but you make me laugh!

358292 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1025 of 2133 🔗

I will be out walking my dogs. Then I will come back to this site to find out what has happened. Then I will start drinking.

358326 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1026 of 2133 🔗

It’s winter.

It’s Friday afternoon and the pubs are shut.

Hold firm for another hour and a half, or fuck it, pour away. I’ll join you in spirit.

358340 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Jez Hewitt, 5, #1027 of 2133 🔗

I’m going to hold firm until 5, it shows restraint. Then binge like fuck. And maybe knock the missus around, it’s a Northern tradition.

358357 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1028 of 2133 🔗

Fine so long as she knocks you back. Equality rules ok.

358361 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Annie, 2, #1029 of 2133 🔗

Look, I’m in charge here. I’ve checked and she says that’s ok.

358383 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1030 of 2133 🔗

just don’t knock her up…

358282 Jo, replying to Jo, 3, #1031 of 2133 🔗


Probably posted before, it’s long, but worth listening to. This is without doubt my favourite doctor. Prof John Lee gets second place.
Interestingly, near the end Dr Kendrick says ” we have lost the war”. He says that we now have to focus on how to combat the next one. What with that and the earlier posts about the vaccine passports etc, I feel rather despondent, so say the least.

On a different note, I posted about my partner’s uncle in hospital, having acquired covid during the admission “despite” his vaccine before Xmas. I have never met this man, so excuse the detachment, but I am wondering what will happen to him when he has his second vaccination.

358297 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo, 5, #1032 of 2133 🔗

I dom’t agree at all that the war is lost.

On the contrary it’s all falling apsrt.

358337 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to rockoman, 1, #1033 of 2133 🔗

Hope you’re right! I am a pessimist, so lean towards view of Dr K. However, I am often wrong.

358351 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Jo, #1034 of 2133 🔗

Tend to think the stats do not indicate we have lost the war, just been the equivalent of a bad flu year.

Dr Kendrick already advises the best preventatives.
Vit D @ 4000 IU per day and plenty of zinc.
Invermectin as a prophylactic seems to be effective against a wide range of respiratory ailments.

358290 ▶▶ Jo, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1036 of 2133 🔗

It is getting increasingly difficult for me to read articles like that. I don’t mean painful, I mean it’s hard because our disinformation is the polar opposite to theirs, so that I am no longer sure who is saying what.

358288 davews, replying to davews, 10, #1037 of 2133 🔗

A little late on display today for various reasons (my second post will explain).

First off my twice weekly trip to Tesco (which probably counts as the first ‘exercise’ of the day). Not quite sure what the new mask situation would be I decided to don a mask myself. I am marginally exempt so decided to put up with misted glasses and tangled hearing aids for a few minutes. New notices outside which I see clearly say ‘visit government website for details of exemptions’ so management itself is now clearly aware of them. Their previous notices said nothing about them. No hassle at the door, in fact nobody there, but I noticed on my way out that my friendly, mask hating, lady was on duty so wouldn’t have had issues. Shopping done, everything I wanted. Another issue of masks noted – they interfere with your peripheral vision, I kept bumping into things and people, whoops! Lady on the till, another one I have got to know well in the years I have shopped there, was moaning her glasses were steaming up! So that was the first half hour of the day spent.

358305 ▶▶ davews, replying to davews, 7, #1038 of 2133 🔗

Then for problems. Yesterday a chap knocked at the door and asked if I wanted my gutters and facias cleaned, claimed to be part of the team re-roofing the flats at the end of the road. I don’t think he was, but silly me decided on that statement to agree but thought his ‘cut down’ price was a bit much. Having had a night’s sleep I had decided I would send him on his way this morning but he appeared with a young girl who it seems was a cleaner at the local university (no university in Bracknell) so having reduced his price I let them in and probably breached the covid rules. Guess what, up the ladder he found a missing tile and a few other issues with the guttering, he said he would be back shortly after getting some bits (but didn’t tell me how much). Classic white man trick. All he and the girl had done by then was wiped my guttering and facia down with cleaner, with both of them wandering in my garden with me ignoring anything like social distancing – though they did have (dirty) masks on…. He left a brochure with pretty pictures and a website address on the front which when I checked didn’t even exist and although mentioned on the web no reviews at all. Convinced of this, when he returned I politely confronted him and he lost it, loud swear words filled my kitchen. I tried to keep calm and largely did though he accused me of shouting! Anyway, having apparently ordered my bits I could only get rid of them (girl visibly upset) by giving him rather more cash than I would have liked, now left still with a missing tile and other things which my building mate will arrange somebody to sort out. Not a good morning, beware of men in white vans! I should have used the covid no entry excuse right at the start.

358327 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to davews, 7, #1039 of 2133 🔗

Never, ever get any work done on your roof by someone who knocks on your door. I learnt the hard way when I paid some clowns money to fix some problems they said were there and then had to pay some actual tradesmen to fix the problems they had caused. For the next few months, I had several visits by dodgy characters wanting to do odd jobs for me so obviously the word had got out that I was a soft touch.

358347 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Chicot, 8, #1040 of 2133 🔗

Never, never get any work done on your house, or your car, or your garden, or anything, by a person who knocks on your door. Speaking as a naïve twerp who, long ago, was effortlessly swindled out if thirteen thousand pounds.

358331 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to davews, 6, #1041 of 2133 🔗

You should report them as scammers because that is almost certainly what they are.

Never buy anything, or agree to work, from someone he knocks your door.

Swearing at you in your home proves he is scum.

Do you have the website address you could post here?

Perhaps they could be investigated.

BTW – the “working up the road” bit is a classic scam.

358344 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to dhid, 1, #1042 of 2133 🔗

But as I found that won’t get you anywhere. His excuse is that they are closed because of covid!

358374 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suey, replying to davews, #1043 of 2133 🔗

There’s a Tradewise Property Solutions listed online, in Reading. Are you nearby? Report them to trading standards if you believe it’s them. Their Yell entry links to that website address.

358387 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to davews, 1, #1044 of 2133 🔗

I looked up that domain “tradewisepropertysolutionsltd.co.uk” in WHOIS and it was registered through “godaddy.com”, so I phoned them and the domain registration will expire in July 2021.

I spoke to a chap in technical support at GoDaddy, who said they have registration details but you, or probably the police, would need to contact “legal@godaddy.com” if the domain name is being used to facilitate crime.

I really think it might be worth talking to the police or possibly local council as it might be a “trading” issue.

358516 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to dhid, #1045 of 2133 🔗

Thanks for doing that, I had worked out that although there was a domain there was no website associated with it. It may well be that they took the website down due to lockdown (I found a pub recently that had done the same, turned up at pub and found it closed). But if that is so why was he claiming he had something to do with them. I am not going to chase it at the moment though, just teach myself a lesson.

358635 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to davews, #1046 of 2133 🔗

I don’t know what area you are in but as Suey said above, there is a Yell entry for Tradewise Property Solutions in Reading at an address that seems to be a general shared building – when you look up Tradewise Property Solutions Ltd (shown in that Yell entry) on Companies House there is no such Limited Company with that exact name, that I can find.

I would strongly suggest that you do report it to your local council Trading Standards as they may be known to them.

Don’t forget they may target others for much more.

358891 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to dhid, #1047 of 2133 🔗

I am in Bracknell, so definitely in the Reading capture area. Interesting that is a general shared building, ie correspondence address. You would normally think building people would have some sort of yard for their bits… I may contact trading standards.

358712 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to davews, #1048 of 2133 🔗

We all learn from experience!

I made the mistake of paying a man and his ‘grandson’ (?) to prune a tree for me in 2019. I suspect I was ripped off, although thankfully not excessively so, and the tree has since died (!). They had leaflets which only had a mobile number on and a website address. Out of interest I subsequently looked up the web address and, not surprisingly, nothing came up. But the leaflet said in prominent lettering “14 days cooling off period”, presumably because it sounded a good phrase to use to give the impression of their legitimacy. Maybe it’s me but I can’t for the life of me see how that is supposed to work in practice, being that as soon as you say you’d like them to do the work it’s invariably convenient for them to do it there and then!

359042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to dhid, #1049 of 2133 🔗

Due to GDPR WHOIS no longer works effectively.

359005 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to dhid, #1050 of 2133 🔗

Yes the tree cutters always use that one…my partner is an old hand at sending that lot on their way. She always says …oh yes which house is that…. I shall go and have a look!

358353 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to davews, 2, #1051 of 2133 🔗

We all fall for it sometimes.
I always use the excuse, this is a rental property (which is actually true), and people soon leave you alone.

358370 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Silke David, 3, #1052 of 2133 🔗

And a curt “fuck off” can also do the trick.

358896 ▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Nymeria, #1053 of 2133 🔗

I can honestly say that the only one who used those (exact) words was him. Nice to his customers, no…

358394 ▶▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Silke David, 1, #1054 of 2133 🔗

This is the one that my OH uses to good effect. Fact that it’s not true is neither here nor there!

358289 l835, replying to l835, 26, #1055 of 2133 🔗

The tit drakeford is at it again. I went to a local shop who had introduced a cunning one way system, blocking of isles with pallets. The result was I, and everyone else had to traipse up and down every single isle, before finally reaching the till. The effect of this was I spent far longer in the shop than I would have done if I could have gone directly to the shelf I needed. Moron.

358298 ▶▶ dhid, replying to l835, 8, #1056 of 2133 🔗

Could it count as exercise, all the extra walking indoors?……Hope there’s no fire and a panic to get out, with those pallets blocking isles, that is.

358304 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dhid, 7, #1057 of 2133 🔗

Good point. Maybe contact your local fire officer?

358300 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to l835, 3, #1058 of 2133 🔗

These one way systems are so non sensical – always creates bottle necks

358302 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to l835, 2, #1059 of 2133 🔗

Which means, if they are restricting numbers inside the shop, people will have to queue outside in the rain and snow for longer. I sense imminent voting with feet.

358978 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to l835, #1060 of 2133 🔗

In our local ‘supermarket’ they have the arrows pointing in the same direction in the first two aisles. Fruit and veg? Or dairy? You can’t have both. Unless you follow the labyrinth to the tills and start again. Or ignore the stupid arrows… but who would put lives at risk by walking in the wrong direction?

358295 Sam Vimes, 18, #1061 of 2133 🔗

“Thank you, Prime Minister, it’s an honour to be asked, as an ordinary member of the public. Ok, here is my question: where’s yer 4000 dead per day, and why do you keep telling these lies on TV? Thank you.”

358299 rockoman, 8, #1062 of 2133 🔗

“The geniuses at public-health Quebec are investigating why vaccinated elderly folks are getting COVID-19.”


358303 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 16, #1063 of 2133 🔗

I’m old enough to remember the good old days when everyone was scared to death by the R number.

Now it’s all about the variants. Countries are even competing with each other to see who can come up with the most infectious variant.

I don’t know if the Brazil variant is more or less infectious than the recently discovered UK variant but if the experts are saying it’s of concern then it must be better than ours.

At this rate the level of infectiousness will become so high that you’ll be infected before you even get out of bed.

358319 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1064 of 2133 🔗

Think they’re announcing just that at 5 pm.

358339 ▶▶▶ winstonthatcher, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #1065 of 2133 🔗

Its so virulent we were all infected with it a few days ago.
And its so dangerous that you are actually dead, you just haven’t realised yet.

358350 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to winstonthatcher, 4, #1066 of 2133 🔗

“That’s right, sir, just sign here, giving all your property to the government, and then hand yourself in at the undertakers – make sure you wear your mask on the way”.

358360 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to winstonthatcher, 5, #1067 of 2133 🔗

We’re all as good as dead the day we’re conceived. Just don’t tell everyone in case they get panicked.

358368 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to winstonthatcher, 2, #1068 of 2133 🔗

you are actually dead, you just haven’t realised yet.

I’ve wondered about this lately. Not sure if it applies to me or the covidians.

358412 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Jo, 1, #1069 of 2133 🔗

They may not be dead, but they’re certainly not living either.

358367 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1070 of 2133 🔗

there are 2 Brazilian variants – Keep up:-)

358380 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Marialta, #1071 of 2133 🔗

Didn’t the Scots identify 300 variants.This could go on for a long time

358384 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nobody2021, #1072 of 2133 🔗

there’s a new Welsh variant first spotted in a valley girls clout

358306 panda232, replying to panda232, 23, #1073 of 2133 🔗

Grant Shapps was doing the press rounds this morning and basically told people not to bother booking holidays this summer.

The comment sections under the story are quite amusing. There are a lot of “get f’d Shapps” as you’d expect, but also a lot of people who genuinely thought this would be over in March, with all restrictions gone following vaccinations. That sense of dawning realisation is almost palpable.

You can tell the government is extremely nervous at the moment. I think they know what will happen when they finally tell the lockdown zealots, “erm, actually guys, this is going to be your future from now on, vaccination or not”. It’s not going to be pretty….

358403 ▶▶ Will, replying to panda232, 5, #1074 of 2133 🔗

Unless the vaccines are shown to prevent transmission I just can’t see a route out of this insanity.

358411 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Will, 5, #1075 of 2133 🔗

The studies weren’t even designed to demonstrate these agents prevent transmission. And with an infection fatality rate of .26% it will be very difficult to demonstrate that the treatment vastly reduces death since the effect would be so small. There is one theory that once Biden is inaugurated, mandates masks for 100 days, and then reduces the PCR cycle threshold way down, he’ll end the casedemic, declare victory, and credit masks and the “vaccine.” It’s just a theory…

358307 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1076 of 2133 🔗

Friend sent em this link:


and asked why so many resignations recently including whole Governments?

358324 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1077 of 2133 🔗

No UK Government … sadly.

358328 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1078 of 2133 🔗

The Dutch government have resigned over child welfare fraud scandal and in Italy five ministers have also resigned which apparently has left the prime minister with no overall majority.

358309 tarfu, replying to tarfu, 34, #1079 of 2133 🔗

Like so many people in this country, we did not get a holiday last year. The 2021 holiday season will soon be upon us and being 74 & 73 years-old Mrs Tarfu and I will both soon be offered the vaccine, or should I say the “ experimental biological agent ”.

I have spent many hours studying the vaccine by reading and watching videos. There is no doubt in my mind that it is not “safe and effective”. Mrs Tarfu, on the other hand gets her information solely from the Daily Mail. She cannot wait for the vaccine and would happily take any and all vaccines on offer. No argument – no discussion needed, “it’s 95% efficient”. The brainwashing is total and complete.

Today, the Mail reports that people are booking holidays in the belief that there will be sufficient relaxation of restrictions for flights to go ahead during the summer months. This situation will almost certainly require evidence of vaccination and/or a Negative COVID Test results prior to travelling (both here in the UK and in Spain no doubt). All this has been explained but falls on deaf ears.

All of this is adding to the sense of despair and I feel I have no option but to concede defeat and “take the jab”, otherwise this household will be in permanent discord.

Why have I bothered to write this? I just wonder to what extent this situation is being playing out in other households …..

358316 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to tarfu, 10, #1080 of 2133 🔗

There it is, Mr. Tarfu; polar opposite views in the same household. The brainwashed one lives with someone they can surely trust, but won’t listen or check for themselves. As you say, the brainwashing is total and complete, at least for some.

358338 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Sam Vimes, 15, #1081 of 2133 🔗

The brainwashed trust the MSM before the spouse or partner with whom they share their lives.
Not good.

358317 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to tarfu, 6, #1082 of 2133 🔗

Never give up (too quickly)

358346 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to tarfu, 5, #1083 of 2133 🔗

Mrs Portnadler: Earl Grey (won’t drink ordinary tea). Mr Portnadler: ordinary tea (can’t bear Earl Grey). We’re still talking to each other. Separate teapots (thinks – now there’s an idea to stop transmission of the virus!).

358375 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to tarfu, 3, #1084 of 2133 🔗

I’d hold the line until the very last minute. If it becomes unbearable and the benefits outweigh the negatives then maybe you take it but I don’t think your there yet. .

358443 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1085 of 2133 🔗

Why take a shot in the dark just because your ignorant partner wants to take a huge gamble. Either holiday at home or send them off alone.

358382 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to tarfu, 1, #1086 of 2133 🔗

Put your foot down and tell her no
More sandwiches will ensue

358385 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to tarfu, #1087 of 2133 🔗

It’s a balance of risks. There are fewer dying from the vaccine than there are dying from the virus. That’s how you assess the situation.

The vaccine is a somewhat more safe than catching the virus. Because that’s what the population statistics clearly show. Both have a very small risk of causing serious harm. The older you are, the higher the risk.

The excessive fear of the vaccine shown by some is exactly the same problem as the excessive fear of the virus shown by the masked and the lockdown fans. Both are a case of emotion over reason, and an inability to assess risk properly based on the figures.

Neither taking the vaccine, nor suffering the virus is risk free. There are no risk free options any more.

358395 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Lucan Grey, 10, #1088 of 2133 🔗

As I was explaining to a friend the other day, who is pushing 80, and posted some jab propaganda on FB, the risk reward for you makes the vaccines attractive. For me, under 50, with no comorbidities and with a daughter who has suffered a catastrophic, life changing and incurable vaccine injury I will need to see a feck of a lot more evidence before I will be getting the vaccine.

358434 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Will, 4, #1089 of 2133 🔗

The risk reward isn’t established for the over eighties, as the vaccine seems be killing some of them in fairly short order.

There is also no evidence that the vaccines prevent transmission of Covid-19 or that they save lives. Vaccines generally work less well on the old and frail and is another factor to be taken into account.

358440 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Will, 5, #1090 of 2133 🔗

Yes absolutely. Fortunately I don’t know anybody who has suffered a vaccine injury, but at 28 years old with no health problems, from a health perspective it currently fails the risk/reward test for me.

It is known that COVID has almost zero chance of harming me. It is unknown whether or not the vaccine could in the medium to long term.

If my risk category changes for some reason, I can opt for the vaccine at any time. I cannot ‘un-vaccinate’.

358405 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lucan Grey, 10, #1091 of 2133 🔗

Vaccine side effects can take years to make themselves known. People don’t necessarily drop dead on the way back home from getting the jab, though these experimental biological treatments are already at least 50x more likely to cause an adverse reaction than the flu vaccine and it’s just early days. Can you show me the long-term data with respect to the safety of this experimental biological intervention? Oh yeah, you can’t because there is no long-term safety data and it won’t be available for at least two years. And the data from the minimal animal studies conducted haven’t been made available either. For most people — 99%+ — the experimental treatment is higher risk than Covid.

358427 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1092 of 2133 🔗

Yes especially Auto Immune diseases

358418 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Lucan Grey, 9, #1093 of 2133 🔗

The vaccine is a somewhat more safe than catching the virus. Because that’s what the population statistics clearly show. Both have a very small risk of causing serious harm. The older you are, the higher the risk.

Where did you get that gem? Is it little more than wishful thinking on your part?

There is no evidence whatsoever, that the vaccines will prevent the transmission of Covid-19 and no evidence at all that the vaccines will save any lives.

There is also no evidence about what will happen in the medium and long term, as trials have only just begun, with joe public unwittingly signing up as the guinea pigs.

If you fancy a shot in the dark, then go for it, but stop spreading half-baked nonsense, that has the putrid smell of 77th Brigade about it.

358402 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to tarfu, 13, #1095 of 2133 🔗

Whilst I am younger, its similar in my household. Wife eagerly watches every Boris broadcast, and has been totally brainwashed. I hear her speaking to her friends and when they hear so & so has had the vaccine they say “how fantastic” and blame those who flout lockdowns and masks as being the problem.

Her parents and my parents have all said they will get the vaccine without any hesitation. Im sure if you could pay privately for it, her parents would be at the front of the queue. All in the mis-guided idea if they did “everything will go back to normal”. When I started to question things mid last year my wife actually burst into tears and said “i never thought you would be a conspiracy theorist, if i had known i wouldnt have married you”, as if I had just confessed to being some sort of child murderer. I was shocked!

Whilst I will not be having the vaccine the wife did guilt me into having the flu vaccine against my better judgement last year. “if you dont you will be 35% MORE likely to get covid & die, you dont want to leave the children with no father…..”. So I wouldnt put it past her to try the same again, but I will say no this time.

Its certainly put a big strain on the relationship.

358821 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to ThomasT, 1, #1096 of 2133 🔗

I’m very lucky, as Mrs Cranmer is an arch-sceptic, probably more so than I, and regularly reminds me that she fervently hopes Johnson et al end up in the ‘other place’ (and I don’t mean the House of Lords).

358424 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to tarfu, 3, #1097 of 2133 🔗

I fear Mrs Tarfu, along with all those other optimistic folk, are in for a disappointment if they think the shackles will be released so easily.

358438 ▶▶ 10navigator, replying to tarfu, 6, #1098 of 2133 🔗

MR T, you have my sympathies (from a 72 yr old with no co-morbidities). We were lucky enough to return from a Far East holiday in february last year, just before the solids hit the air-conditioning re’ CV-19. Alas, I would not like to predict when our next overseas jaunt is to be, nor if it will ever take place at all. Me and ‘er indoors will refuse the ‘biological agent’ currently under trial for at least a couple of years in order to try and quantify/qualify any possible side effects. That being so, we won’t qualify for the mooted “vaccination passport” likely to be insisted upon by the World’s airlines (beginning with Quantas).
I have signed the petition with http://www.Medicaldiscrimination,org to register my (our) disapproval of such totalitarian tripe. I fear we may be grounded for quite some time.

358458 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to tarfu, 3, #1099 of 2133 🔗

I’m sorry to hear that Tarfu, I can’t imagine how difficult that must be. I suppose you have shown her the websites and videos about the side effects and the lack of effectiveness of the vaccine. I sent a few to my parents (slightly older than your good self) who were also thinking of taking it, they agreed to look at them before making a decision but they have been brainwashed by the media and my zealot brother who has terrified them of catching covid – so I’m not optimistic. I’m lucky my partner is also a total sceptic, unfortunately he’s a few thousand miles away in Spain and thanks to this mess I can’t get to join him. It makes me so angry that this situation is causing so many family divides. I am no longer speaking to my brother through it all.

358525 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to tarfu, 3, #1100 of 2133 🔗

All too familiar I’m afraid. I am 72, wife 70. She can’t wait for the jab. We both don’t intend holidaying outside UK this year. Problem is we have a daughter who lives in Australia, who we haven’t seen for 2 years now, so at some point I will no doubt have to make a big decision when the dodgy vaccine becomes mandatory to fly there.

358315 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1101 of 2133 🔗

Ooh, a 5 o’clock fear fest is on the schedule! What will be today’s topic, I wonder?

358323 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1102 of 2133 🔗

bRaZiLiaN sTrAiN

358333 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 12, #1103 of 2133 🔗

Brazilian Electrician strain only controlled by Cressida Dicks crack team of half trained midwit thugs who will shoot it for not obeying contradictory orders, unlike the other 12852 strains which have BLM indicators and are completely harmless or something

358336 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1104 of 2133 🔗


Marry banilow – Her name was Lola
She was a showgirl

359037 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1105 of 2133 🔗

It needs seven shots for elimination.

358345 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #1106 of 2133 🔗

Theyll cook-up something horrible to ruin our weekend and give us the full info on Monday , so four days of torture. Meanwhile they slope off to their country estates for a bit of fun.

358355 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1107 of 2133 🔗

The mutant invention was a stroke of genius. Check out bubbling up news items about North Korea and Iran, so they could be next. Probably have to wait until Biden is strapped in before anything kicks off though.

358358 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1108 of 2133 🔗

I’m sure someone is brave enough to watch and report back, I’m certainly not!

358390 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1109 of 2133 🔗

It wouldn’t surprise me if tougher restrictions are coming. As soon as I read yesterday that Johnson doesn’t want to introduce tougher restrictions as cases appear to be falling i thought, yeah right, here they come. He’s had a habit of late doing things he keeps saying he doesn’t want to do.

358325 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #1110 of 2133 🔗

Norway vaccine deaths.


Here is the Google translation:

The Norwegian Medicines Agency links 13 deaths among the elderly and sick to side effects of the covid-19 vaccine. Photo: Marit Hommedal / NTB

The authorities have looked more closely at 13 deaths following vaccination

News: The Norwegian Medicines Agency has assessed 13 deaths that may have been related to the coronary vaccine. Common to those who died is that they were old and frail.

NTB-Birgitte Iversen and Bibiana Piene
Published: January 14, 2021

More than 25,000 Norwegians have been vaccinated with the first dose of the coronary vaccine from Pfizer and Biontech since Christmas. On Friday, the first dose of the new Moderna vaccine will be given.

So far, the Norwegian Medicines Agency has assessed 29 adverse reaction reports after the covid-19 vaccination. 13 of these had a fatal outcome, shows a new report from the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

A total of 23 deaths have been reported in connection with vaccination, but so far only 13 of these have been assessed. The other deaths are under treatment. Common side effects may have contributed to a serious course in frail elderly people, the Norwegian Medicines Agency reports.

Changes vaccine advice
All the deaths have occurred in frail, old patients in nursing homes. All are over 80 years old and some of them over 90, according to NRK.

– The reports may indicate that common side effects from mRNA vaccines, such as fever and nausea, may have led to deaths in some frail patients, says chief physician Sigurd Hortemo in the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

As a result, both the National Institute of Public Health and the Norwegian Medicines Agency have changed the coronary vaccination guide with new advice for this group.

– If you are very frail, you should probably not be vaccinated, said subject director Steinar Madsen in the Norwegian Medicines Agency at a webinar on coronary vaccine for journalists on Thursday.

He emphasizes over NRK that these cases are rare, and that many thousands of frail people have been vaccinated without a fatal outcome.

This is in line with the recommendations that came from FHI earlier this week.

Different symptoms
As of 14 January, a total of 29 adverse reaction reports have been assessed after covid-19 vaccination. Of these, 21 are women and eight are men.
14 of these were in the age group 80–89 years, and seven were over 90 years old. Four were aged 70-79 years and four were aged 18-69 years.

13 of the reported reports had a fatal outcome, 9 had serious side effects and 7 are described as not serious side effects.

The most commonly reported adverse reactions are general symptoms, such as decreased general fever and general malaise, and injection site reactions. Gastrointestinal symptoms such as diarrhea, nausea and vomiting, and respiratory symptoms such as shortness of breath and cough are also among the most commonly reported side effects.

This is the first report on side effects from the Norwegian Medicines Agency, which will in future come with weekly side effect reports.

358330 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Basileus, 3, #1111 of 2133 🔗

Reported deaths per dose are now running at 85x per dose of flu vaccine, and ER trips at 35x…

Alex Berensen, from CDC reports (USA)

358349 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basileus, 12, #1112 of 2133 🔗

So the very group who are at risk from the Rona are advised not to take the vaccine. You couldn’t make it up.

358392 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #1113 of 2133 🔗

I just listened to the Dr. Simone Gold (America’s Frontline Doctors) talk that someone posted the other day. She said as an ER doc she lost frail, elderly people to the common cold and even a nosebleed. So it’s very possible that a side effect from the experimental medical intervention could lead to death in this population. It’s quite insane to be going to such great lengths to prolong the lives of people who have already exceeded average life expectancy by quite a lot and who, let’s face it, are are living on borrowed time. I don’t say this to sound cold and heartless, but we need to inject some realism into the debate and acknowledge that we will all die someday.

358459 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #1114 of 2133 🔗

In my previous role I never got used to the fact that many older people were on 15 or more medications and had so many serious underlying conditions. Quality of life was very poor due to living alone. We have not respected older people for many years in this country and many are highly medicated and living on to a great age in squalid conditions and with poor mobility.

358348 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 7, #1115 of 2133 🔗

The ONS have now published their ‘Weekly provisional figures on deaths registered in England and Wales’ for the year up to week ended 1 January 2021.

This gives a figure of 614,114 for deaths from all causes for England and Wales. This is substantially above the five year average from 2015 to 2019 (by about 83,000). (It should be noted, however, that a simple comparison of the numbers of deaths does not take into account the changing age structure of the population, and population growth, so is very crude).

The question then becomes how to account for the additional deaths between: those caused by the virus (or where the virus was a contributory factor); those caused by the policy responses to the virus (or where these were a contributory factor); and those caused by other factors altogether (weather, preceding year’s mortality rate, structural factors, and so on).

358356 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 7, #1116 of 2133 🔗

The underlying causes are probably hard enough to determine at the best of times but have been deliberately obscured and there’s no obvious desire from anyone with the power to do anything about it to find out more as it doesn’t suit their agenda

358413 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #1117 of 2133 🔗

40,000 by govt seeding the care homes
20,000 missed cancer
10,000 people too scared to go to hospital with chest pains

that leaves 13,000

358461 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to steve_w, 1, #1118 of 2133 🔗

Tuck the 13,000 under a rug/bury in excel spread sheet. Job done.

Recall something going on with excel spreadsheets… criminally insane record keeping of pandemic done by government?

358415 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #1119 of 2133 🔗

Get your spreadsheets out, statistics wonks.

358362 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1120 of 2133 🔗

A bit off topic but I read somewhere a few days ago that something happened on Jan 11th and that Trump was no longer in charge.

Today I found this:


FEMA is part of the continuity of Government and is authorised to run the entire federal government during times of emergency with no input from teh rpesident, vice president etc.

This is what it says in the Stafford Act mentioned in the emergency devclaration:

“Title V of the Stafford Act contains language that appears to grant the President extraordinary powers during times of a declared national emergency:

The President may: exercise any authority vested in him by section 5192 of this title or section 5193 of

this title [Sections 502 or 503] with respect to an emergency when he determines

that an emergency exists for which the primary responsibility for response rests with

the United States because the emergency involves a subject area for which, under

the Constitution or laws of the United States, the United States exercises exclusive

or preeminent responsibility and authority.

(a) Specified – In any emergency, the President may –

(1) direct any Federal agency, with or without reimbursement, to utilize its authorities

and the resources granted to it under Federal law (including personnel, equipment,

supplies, facilities, and managerial, technical and advisory services) in support of

State and local emergency assistance efforts to save lives, protect property and

public health and safety, and lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe, including

precautionary evacuations;”

So what is going on over in the US? And will it stop our lot of idiots destroying this country completely?

358365 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1121 of 2133 🔗

There’s probably a gun at Ivanka’s temple right this minute
Biden is probably sniffing her kids

358425 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1122 of 2133 🔗

The US is in a state of war, legally, until May 2021. Trump’s 2018 EO ensured the election took place under a state of national emergency, in the event of foreign interference.

358570 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1123 of 2133 🔗

This might help you appreciate what is supposedly going on behind the scene.


358731 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1124 of 2133 🔗

Read on a page from the dark corner of the web March 4th something for the good will happen if whatever the plan is goes well over the coming weeks.

358364 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #1125 of 2133 🔗


“The Venezuelan regional State of Zulia will distribute 15 million pills of ivermectin to its 5 million inhabitants.”
If Venezuela is doing this why cannot it be an inspiration for the Labour opposition?

Or they prefer Big Pharma’s newest find nasal interferon?

“Nebulised interferon β gets a large British trial as a small study (n=98) has shown benefit against disease progression. Cost £2,000 ($2,700). Dr Lawrie’s meta-analysis has shown that ivermectin (£0.30/pill) might reduce the risk of ICU/MV by 89%.



358520 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1126 of 2133 🔗

The so-called “treatment” in most western nations is a complete joke. It seems to consistent of do nothing until you’re so bad we’ll put you on a ventilator and finish you off. If you’re lucky we’ll give you some incredibly expensive drugs that may have some marginal benefit. Meanwhile safe, effective and cheap treatments such as vitamin D, Ivermectin and Hcq are either ignored or even banned. It’s absurdities such as these that help make the case for so-called “conspiracy theories”.

358366 HoMojo, replying to HoMojo, 14, #1127 of 2133 🔗

Just had an Amazon delivery. Instead of giving me the package the guy slid it across the floor of the lobby. Gordon Bennett, the fear. The fear!

358400 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to HoMojo, 1, #1128 of 2133 🔗

Should have started the Rona rumba at that point
just for a laugh

358422 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to HoMojo, 1, #1129 of 2133 🔗

They’ve always been a bit like that with me, they don’t like the dogs.
DPD take a photo of the dog next to the parcel.

358442 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to HoMojo, 8, #1130 of 2133 🔗

I wonder if Amazon are instructing drivers to do this to keep the fear going, it’s in Amazon’s interest to keep this show on the road ££££££££.

My postman doesn’t do it and my usual DPD driver is good as gold, both hand me packages and do not wear gimp masks.

358453 ▶▶ Basics, replying to HoMojo, 2, #1131 of 2133 🔗

It’s possible the delivery guy is afraid of complaint > sacking.

Best action is to make sure and get a few quick words in before they rush off. Sorry, second best, actual best is to steer away from amazon.

358470 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Basics, 2, #1132 of 2133 🔗

I had that discussion with my delivery guy. He said if they don’t follow all the stupid rules and one of the bedwetters moans they’ll be out of a job.

358379 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1133 of 2133 🔗

Rumour has it you grow a big bum if you catch the samba virus.

358388 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1134 of 2133 🔗

Cheaper than a bum lift

358389 JanMasarykMunich, 2, #1135 of 2133 🔗

Regional election in Germany (Thuringen) deferred. MSM hardly report.

Legal basis ready for possible deferral of national election.


358391 Ambwozere, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #1136 of 2133 🔗

Slightly off topic but the Norwegian government has resigned too.
Stoltenberg Government Resigns – The Nordic Page

What is going on?

358396 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #1137 of 2133 🔗

They all been on the Epstein express naturally

358404 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Ambwozere, 3, #1138 of 2133 🔗

That’s the Dutch government and the Norwegian government. Can we make it three in a row?

358414 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Margaret, #1139 of 2133 🔗

Rats fleeing a sinking ship?

358419 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Margaret, 2, #1140 of 2133 🔗

Italy – announced the other day, Cabinet ministers being pulled, throwing their entire Government into chaos.

358558 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #1141 of 2133 🔗

The Italy goverment withdrawals might well be related to another matter, associated with our cousins across the pond and some dodgy computer programming.

I have heard it mentioned that their last election was used as a practice run for the real thing.

358759 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Margaret, #1142 of 2133 🔗

Kuwaiti one last week.

358420 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #1143 of 2133 🔗

Erna Solberg is Norway’s PM?

358457 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Ambwozere, 4, #1144 of 2133 🔗

You´re five years late, my friend.

358397 Alex B, 6, #1145 of 2133 🔗

So now we have the ‘Brazilian’ variant and, according to The Telegraph, it ‘might’ be here.
So I read this (no comments allowed):
Obviously nothing really new in the way the press report this stuff, but by god it really is ‘covid porn’ isn’t it?
More lockdowns, or extended lockdown measures? New grist to the mill of ‘zero covid’?

358399 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #1146 of 2133 🔗

R = 0.77 (latest value on 10th Jan) – looks like it will level out below the 0.85 the first wave levelled out at – Lord Knows where the government gets its 1.1-1.3 estimate from

daily new symptomatic reports plummeting

all as expected for a seasonal virus – behaving very similar to wave 1 before and after the lockdown – lockdown has no discernible effect

358401 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #1147 of 2133 🔗

daily new infections (inferred from self reports)

358406 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #1148 of 2133 🔗

predicted infection level (no change since last time I did it)

358407 alw, replying to alw, 30, #1149 of 2133 🔗

From the Spectator;

“Are these shock and awe tactics necessary?
Downing Street has launched an advertising campaign, as first reported by Katy Balls on Coffee House , that warns getting a takeout coffee could kill – to further emphasise the ‘stay at home’ message. The government graphic on Facebook reads ‘Don’t let a coffee cost lives’, while another on Twitter says ‘Catch-ups cost lives’. It is unlikely to please the hospitality sector, currently relying on takeaway trade after a terrible year.”

Boris and co you can go and shove it. Restaurants in part of Italy and Germany the opening irrespective of regulations and it will be coming here soon. People can see through the lies.

358439 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to alw, 18, #1150 of 2133 🔗

They’re trying everything in the book to destroy the industry. Is that the best they’ve got? Complete and utter tossers. I’ve been hammered with a threat of legal action today for providing takeaway to park benches. I really hope that I am not alone in wanting to copy our Italian and German counterparts. Bring it on.

358446 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to kh1485, 7, #1151 of 2133 🔗

This will surely bring it on. Here’s hoping and will happily contribute to a legal fund

358466 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to alw, 1, #1152 of 2133 🔗

That’s really kind, thank you.

358797 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 3, #1153 of 2133 🔗

Same here. I have already contributed to several subscriptions and will be happy to do so again if publicised here. I’ve not got much else to spend my money on anyway!

358480 ▶▶ Annie, replying to alw, 2, #1154 of 2133 🔗

The costalottalives coffee ad made me laugh.

358519 ▶▶ Edward, replying to alw, 1, #1155 of 2133 🔗

I get regular emails from Costa and Caffè Nero about their current takeaway offerings, though I rarely get a takeaway coffee. If I’m paying their prices I regard sitting at a table as part of the deal. If even their takeaway trade is stopped they may as well give up. I believe Caffè Nero is already in administration.

358546 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to alw, 3, #1156 of 2133 🔗

To think, back in June they were pleading with people to go back to work in the cities, because it was decimating the coffee shop industry.

Presumably, that is why death figures are so high, the coffee shops killed them all.

358791 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to alw, 1, #1157 of 2133 🔗

It’s significant, I think, that they are trying to dissuade people from buying takeaways, instead of just banning it. They’re either trying to soften the public up for an actual ban, or are just trying to shame people for acting legally because they think actually banning them would be a step too far.

358408 Julian, replying to Julian, 8, #1158 of 2133 🔗

I thought I would see if Peston had any advance knowledge of further restrictions to be announced tonight

His Twitter feed is 100% cheerleading for vaccines and lockdowns and vilifying Trump – no attempt whatever to pretend he’s impartial

The fact that they can do it so blatantly now means they know they have won

358497 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, #1159 of 2133 🔗

Won what? Science?

358566 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 2, #1160 of 2133 🔗

No. It means they’re trying to convince you they’ve won.
They haven’t.

Recall all past battles through the ages, and how these tactics were used. They have NOT ”won”. Not unless you allow them to win – because we have a long way to go, and a lot of ammunition. Do NOT be a naysayer.

358410 HoMojo, 21, #1161 of 2133 🔗

I’d recommend Dellingpole’s podcast with Ivor Cummins if you haven’t heard it. Cummins virtually comes to the conclusion that this has to be a massive fraud, there is no other possible explanation. Really worth keeping in your archives.

358416 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 22, #1162 of 2133 🔗

Thank you to everyone this morning who was helping me unravel the Wales BS rules about only starting exercise from home, particularly Annie who pointed out it doesn’t say you can’t start from home in a car. 🙂 I just got back from a glorious if nippy day on the estuary with not a cop car in sight and only a couple of masketeers among a fair number of folks on the river walk. Plenty of cars parked in the main car park, although I’d hidden mine in a nearby industrial estate just in case. Saw loads of birds including teal, goosander, widgeon, mallards, little grebes, oystercatchers and curlews. Let freedom ring!

358429 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Melangell, 4, #1163 of 2133 🔗

Hide my car when out and about too! All secret squirrel stuff.

358474 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1164 of 2133 🔗

I doubt if it helps much.You would not believe the number of spy cameras that track you these days.Applies to you as well as to your car – take a look round your town centre. An industrial estate is more likely to have cameras than an ordinary car park, so you might as well join the throng in the latter.

358464 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Melangell, 3, #1165 of 2133 🔗

Grand! So glad you had a good birdie walk. It was perishing cold where I was, though. Brass monkeys looking worried.

358473 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Annie, 1, #1166 of 2133 🔗

Thanks, Annie…yes, a biting East wind up here too! We should go for a walk together sometime!

358478 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Melangell, 2, #1167 of 2133 🔗


358417 10navigator, replying to 10navigator, #1168 of 2133 🔗

Re Dr Simone Gold and the American Frontline Doctors, (AFLD).
A cursory Google of her and them yields all sorts of unsavoury comments from multiple sources regarding their claims. A quick Google of Dr Gold’s infection and fatality figures re’ Africa and her assertions for the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine yield almost unanimous refutations of both.
Her undoubted ‘sincerity’ and presentational skills in the vid’ referenced in today’s “Round-Up” are at odds with Gold, the Capitol Hill rioting attendee, and finding any backing for her and AFLD on Google is well-nigh impossible.
Perhaps Google’s malign influence is even more pernicious than we thought. Or is there another, more prosaic explanation?

358481 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to 10navigator, 3, #1169 of 2133 🔗

I think the words ”Well, they WOULD say that, wouldn’t they?” are appropriate.

If you Google any of the people who, like Dr Gold, speak out against or even quietly question the ”narrative” (as with the Canadian GP I linked to earlier who was called ”a quack”) you get vitriol.

”Multiple sources”? Doesn’t this show just how far the net is thrown? And are they to be believed because they’re vitriolic? Surely a reasoned refutation would be more believable.

Or is that a conspiracy theory?

358632 ▶▶▶ 10navigator, replying to Banjones, #1170 of 2133 🔗

I mindful of your point, there’s even one or two disparaging articles on the estimable Mike Yeadon, but until you see the chapter and verse stacked up against AFLD, documented, referenced and asking for feedback from their very mediocre ten members by no means, all doctors (e.g.a non-practising Opthalmologist etc), then you won’t comprehend the problem. No right-thinking person takes anything at face value and I’ve been an avid adherent to LS since inception. However, to reiterate, Gold and her claims look mighty iffy with a modicum of analytical circumspection and she and AFLD garner absolutely no corroboration from any source for their claims.

358629 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to 10navigator, 1, #1171 of 2133 🔗

It’s also noticeable that so called refutations of lockdown sceptics never (and I do not use that word lightly) amount to more than saying “They are wrong” or “They are lying”. But they never go to the trouble of presenting evidence factually disproving what the sceptics have stated.

359063 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to 10navigator, #1172 of 2133 🔗

She is challenging the narrative which no longer includes truth anywhere in its ambit.

358421 Will, 2, #1173 of 2133 🔗

Has the ONS reported the findings of a survey this week or is it still model based?

358423 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 14, #1174 of 2133 🔗

I was reading the 2014 UK pandemic response document recently – all sensible stuff.


a) this was a decent strategy and we should have followed it


b) it was rubbish and we were right to bin it

I find it likely that a) is correct. A lot of work went into it. The government was following it until Ferguson showed them a graph, they shat themselves and threw it in the bin and have been winging it since

358450 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to steve_w, 2, #1175 of 2133 🔗

My MP simply follows the ‘science’ which to him means following the govt. health bureaucrats-and that’s it. The plan, which after all had years of experience and expertise in it, was simply junked to be heard of no more.

358426 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1176 of 2133 🔗


Rather interesting figure comparing C-19 deaths official statistic from April peak, blue with the autumn/winter peak orange. Prof Giesecke said that one year from April 2020 most countries would have more or less the same type of death rate. The lockdown, mask mandated Eastern Europe was never spared in the long run.
There are really only two countries in Europe spared C-19 at the moment, Finland and Norway due to their periphery, border closures, and outside international junctions. So far the virus has not kicked off yet but just waiting for the best opportunity. Perhaps these countries are hoping that mass vaccination will cancel the day of reckoning but how do you persuade populations in those countries to take the vaccine for a disease which have affected them little in the way of illness and deaths?

358467 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1177 of 2133 🔗

I know Denmark opened up their schools very promptly in April, but to what extent did they open up everything else?

358848 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Will, #1178 of 2133 🔗

I think they opened up very much quickly in the spring and summer.

358472 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1179 of 2133 🔗

In my experience Norwegians are very trusting of their public officials; I don’t think persuasion will be an issue.

358493 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #1180 of 2133 🔗

Pop density plays a part with Norway and Finland too perhaps.

358513 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1181 of 2133 🔗

Sweden is highly urbanised as well.

359002 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1182 of 2133 🔗

Since 2003, Finland has been fortifying its milk and fat spreads with Vitamin D.

358428 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 3, #1183 of 2133 🔗

Can anyone help? I remember reading a refutation of Sweden suffering very badly and having a large number of deaths in the latest season. Can anyone remember what it was and where I might link to it please?

I’ve had somebody sarcastically coming back on some ‘discussion’ saying ‘Well, that worked out well for Sweden didn’t it?’ but I don’t want to respond without having the actual facts or data (how many times have I used that phrase over the last year?!).



358435 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DavidC, 1, #1184 of 2133 🔗

https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm has previous days pages of LS per day and they load very quickly and are easily searched. In the last few days there were some graphs posted of all-cause mortality which were pretty normal

Also even “covid deaths” per million Sweden is going DOWN the league table

358444 ▶▶ Wilko, replying to DavidC, #1185 of 2133 🔗

Sweden 1019 deaths per million UK 1282 With the usual caveats about poor quality data

358447 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #1187 of 2133 🔗


358456 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, #1188 of 2133 🔗

and last 5 years overlain

all cause mortality

not a lot to see.. this winter is a bit worse than last 5 years – whoopee doo

358454 ▶▶ Will, replying to DavidC, 2, #1189 of 2133 🔗

Total excess deaths are a couple of thousand above the five year average but there were fewer deaths in the years 2019 and 2020 than 2017 and 2018. Excess deaths no higher than Norway:


358483 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DavidC, 10, #1190 of 2133 🔗

People who want to argue Sweden now are absolutely idiotic. It’s done. They didn’t lockdown, it clearly worked.

358486 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1191 of 2133 🔗

And before anyone says, errr pop density, scandanavian neighbours. You can see Sweden is more dense so you can’t argue both

358488 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1192 of 2133 🔗


358539 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1193 of 2133 🔗

I’ll put money on the conversation ending ” well it’s pointless comparing different countries”.

358430 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 14, #1194 of 2133 🔗

Hug snowball fight in Leeds park.


Come on police – join in.

358431 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 4, #1195 of 2133 🔗

*Huge of course, hugs not encouraged.

358432 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Basileus, 5, #1196 of 2133 🔗

First few comments, I just want to scream “It’s called living!!!” at them.

358463 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to muzzle, 1, #1197 of 2133 🔗

Overall quite a mixture of comments.

358452 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Basileus, 2, #1198 of 2133 🔗


358455 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to A Heretic, 6, #1199 of 2133 🔗

Disgusting behaviour. Why can’t people just follow the rules? Don’t they realise they’re killing Granny. People in this country are so selfish.


358476 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, 6, #1200 of 2133 🔗

The comments are mostly from people that are hiding behind their sofas and should stay there

Well done!! Enjoy the snow and having fun

358524 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Basileus, 2, #1201 of 2133 🔗

Perfect way to kick off the weekend. Good on em

358679 ▶▶ mj, replying to Basileus, 3, #1202 of 2133 🔗

woodhouse moor . 200 yards from uni and in the middle of the student area. sun says dozens .. looks like hundreds . I am surprised that so many students are back in Leeds given that the unis are not face to face teaching.
Some of the comments are so ridiculous. Students outside in the cold fresh air are not going to catch anything (except maybe an STD when they warm up later) . Unless of course the rona virus can survive on a snowball .

358774 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mj, #1203 of 2133 🔗

Yahoo News (not a great source, I know, but still) said 200 people involved.

358771 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Basileus, 2, #1204 of 2133 🔗

Mass snowball fights have always had an anarchic streak to them. They’re reminiscent of the old-fashioned village football games before the rules were formalised in the 1860s. Basically a free for all. No wonder the Covidians are horrified!

358436 Portnadler, replying to Portnadler, 3, #1205 of 2133 🔗

At least 57 TfL workers have died from Covid-19, the majority during the first lockdown in 2020.

When I come across snippets like this (from the Guardian today), I try and cross check them against flu vaccinations. Here’s the corresponding snippet from TfL’s 2016 H and S report (link below):

Winter health

The flu jab campaign ran between

October and December at many

operational and office locations. A total

of 2,838 vaccinations were given.

Of course I can’t really verify what these figures mean (although it wouldn’t surprise me if the vaccination figure was higher in subsequent years). However, when I hear of what might be above-average figures for covid deaths in a particular group, I simply ask, were they a priority group for flu vaccination? I haven’t been let down yet.

NB Total number of TfL employees is 28,000 which means a death rate from covid of 0.2%, double the national rate of 0.1%. Not only that, most workers at TfL are under 65 and healthy enough to be working which would indicate an alarming difference between them and their fellow age group – at least ten fold according to my very rough calculations.

This difference will probably be put down to lack of PPE and contact with the public (bus drivers). However they don’t say how many of the deaths were of customer facing staff so even that doesn’t necessarily explain the difference.

Guardian article:


(at 14.52)



358993 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Portnadler, #1206 of 2133 🔗

I’d have thought that most TFL employees would have a very sedentary job and therefore not one inclined towards the best of health.

358441 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #1207 of 2133 🔗

Relevant to lockdown being a means to an end of globalist aims.

Blair’s chum Gordon Brown is back on the scene tipped to take over Scottish Labour following resignation of insignificant other.

Blair back from the crypt following Hancock disappointing his globalist overlords. Gordon Brown is globalist, he has dipped his oar in now and then at UK national level during lockdown, always to globalist reasons.

Interesting that there is such a lack of talent* that these ghouls from the past ressurrect.

* younger generations starved of oxygen to grow into solid statesmen and women, or perhaps a rejection of talent in younger generations to become trusted by the globalist overlords? Ardern in NZ was protege of Blair so this under the dragon’s wing schooling does happen. Trudeau another example of a life brought up in the fold.

358482 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Basics, 3, #1208 of 2133 🔗

The state of the self-serving riffraff we have in parliament is utterly shameful. To think that Gordon “bottler” Brown is so far the best PM of the 21st century. Who could have ever foreseen that?

358533 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #1209 of 2133 🔗

No they have all been total shite

358507 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Basics, 1, #1210 of 2133 🔗

when he leaves the room the lights go on.

358803 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Basics, #1211 of 2133 🔗

Nokias incoming!

358449 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #1212 of 2133 🔗

30 mins of sobriety to go, gritting my teeth now, think I can make it…

358451 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1213 of 2133 🔗

Is the Mr Sheen not doing it for you Sam?

358500 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 4, #1214 of 2133 🔗

Too much can be dangerous, but it’ll give me a lovely finish…

358465 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1215 of 2133 🔗

I shall be opening a bottle of beer at 5pm as I do every day. Cheers!

358487 ▶▶ Will, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1216 of 2133 🔗

Oakham Citra should be at the perfect temperature in the garage!!!!

358501 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Will, 2, #1217 of 2133 🔗

Never got round to that, but I like JHB.

358510 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Sam Vimes, #1218 of 2133 🔗

If you like hops Citra is the business. Drier than Sturgeon’s…

358460 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 8, #1219 of 2133 🔗

Newsweek reports ‘no clear benefits’ from lockdowns.


‘…….. the researchers determined that there is “no clear, significant beneficial effect of [more restrictive measures] on case growth in any country.’


‘…..others have shown that lockdowns have saved millions of lives. A study published by researchers at Imperial College London in June found that some 3.1 million deaths had been averted due to lockdowns across Europe early on in the pandemic, Reuters reported.’

Of course.

358468 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Basileus, 10, #1220 of 2133 🔗

good stuff. of course the study that found no benefit of lockdowns is based on data, the Imperial one is based on modelling

we have a clear winner!

358471 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Basileus, 5, #1221 of 2133 🔗

Imperial College – well they would say that wouldn’t they.

358485 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Basileus, 3, #1222 of 2133 🔗

This was the notorious Flaxman paper-see response “We show that their methods involve circular 10 reasoning. The purported effects are pure artefacts, which contradict the data. Moreover, we 11 demonstrate that the United Kingdom’s lockdown was both superfluous and ineffective.” at https://advance.sagepub.com/articles/preprint/Comment_on_Flaxman_et_al_2020_The_illusory_effects_of_non-pharmaceutical_interventions_on_COVID-19_in_Europe/12479987

358541 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basileus, 4, #1223 of 2133 🔗

In other news, 7 billions deaths have been averted by the continued presence of oxygen in Earth’s atmosphere today. Humanity is requested to limit their movements to eye lids and shallow breaths only to preserve this life saving ether for future generations.

358795 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to leggy, #1224 of 2133 🔗

Carbon dioxide is above extinction level so there’s some good news.

358475 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #1225 of 2133 🔗

I had to travel for work today – I passed under a bridge down west country somewhere

on one side “left lies vírus hoax” and on the other I saw on way back something very similar but I can’t remember it. anyway, cheered me up!

358761 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to steve_w, 2, #1226 of 2133 🔗

Good, there were some anti-lockdown banners on a church in Edinburgh the other day as well.

358477 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 7, #1227 of 2133 🔗

At least we haven’t got any doom presentations from Adolf, Himmler or Goebbels today. Any day where we don’t have them making our lives a little bit more unbearable than the day before counts as a good day at the moment.

358511 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Achilles, #1228 of 2133 🔗

The prime minister Boris Johnson is holding a Downing Street press conference at 5pm alongside England’s chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty and chief scientific officer Sir Patrick Vallance . It’s due to begin shortly.

358522 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to stevie, #1229 of 2133 🔗

Won’t watch. Too depressing.

358527 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Achilles, 6, #1230 of 2133 🔗

Who gives a flying fuck unless somebody has an MP5 in the room and it’s pointing at them.

358799 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Jaguarpig, 1, #1231 of 2133 🔗

Why would you want to point a video codec at them?

358479 Will, replying to Will, 27, #1232 of 2133 🔗

Has anyone noticed how the propaganda has changed, overnight, from no one is following lockdown to lockdown is working. Are they concerned that with no one following lockdown and “cases” falling, two and two might finally add up to four!?!?

358552 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Will, 2, #1233 of 2133 🔗

Yes what is going on?

358618 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Victoria, 9, #1234 of 2133 🔗

Lockdown has to be seen to succeed. If the great unwashed realise, as we all have done, that, not only does lockdown not work, but it has actually made things worse and killed more people with/ from covid, leave alone the hundreds of thousands who are going to be killed by the lockdown, then the reckoning is going to be brutal.

358603 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Will, 2, #1235 of 2133 🔗

Changing gear into the next phase of the reset I suspect.

358757 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Freddy Freethinker, #1236 of 2133 🔗

What do you think that next phase will involve?

359067 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Cranmer, #1237 of 2133 🔗

Now that everyone is a little bit softened up, I really worry that it could be some or all of this:


We’ll know by the end of the month I guess.

358841 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Will, 1, #1238 of 2133 🔗

Lockdown isn’t working and it’s all the fault if the murderous hordes of the Unmasked, except that lockdown is working, but that shows that we need more lockdown and it’s all the fault of the murderous hordes of the Unmasked.

358484 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #1239 of 2133 🔗

Empty your puke buckets before clicking:


Headings in the article include:

  • Will a vaccine give us our old lives back?
  • How do vaccines work?
  • How vaccinating lots of people protects the vulnerable
  • So how many of us will need to have the coronavirus vaccine?
  • So, how do you vaccinate billions of people?
  • Winning over populations
  • So can a vaccine actually bring back normal?
  • The bad news is that it could well take months or possibly years to vaccinate enough of the global population to make the whole interconnected world safe and reach a point where we can all return to full normal.
  • Era of ‘vaccine plus’
  • Suggestions that vaccines will be able to take us back to where we were pre-Covid by Easter have given people an unrealistic expectation…
358494 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1240 of 2133 🔗

Sorry Captain, didn’t realise you’d just posted this.

358498 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1241 of 2133 🔗


358512 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1242 of 2133 🔗

Absolute bs. Even the manufacturers have stated they don’t know it the vaccines stop transmission or not so the idea that vaccinating lots of people stops the disease spreading is completely unproven.

358491 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1243 of 2133 🔗

I see the mad scientists are setting up the sheeple for no return to normal, ever. We now have “vaccine plus” as the latest abomination:


358534 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tenchy, #1244 of 2133 🔗

Oh, that’ll be just like the 1m+ introduction of masks then.

358492 Edward, replying to Edward, 7, #1245 of 2133 🔗

The masking zealots’ creed.

Every problem has a solution.
Covid is the only problem.
Masking is the only solution.
If everyone wore masks all the time, there would be no covid.
Since there is covid, it is caused by the mask deniers.
To eliminate covid, the masking deniers must be eliminated.

Supposing about 10% are deniers, that means in the UK about six million have to be eliminated.

Now a new religion is on the rise, vaccine worship. But it’s still compatible with the old (2020) beliefs, which can be held in parallel.

358529 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Edward, 3, #1246 of 2133 🔗

“Every problem has a solution”

Indeed. One of the main enablers of the madness. More problems have solutions than used to, because of increased human knowledge and technology, but we’re not in Star Trek, yet, but people have been led to believe we are.

358536 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Julian, 4, #1247 of 2133 🔗

Yes. Sometimes we are powerless.

The other one I take from the investment world, Warren Buffett no less, who once said that “Activity is not a proxy for seriousness”.

In other words, we should not always be tempted to DO something. Doing nothing is often just as effective when presented with a challenge.

358782 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Julian, #1248 of 2133 🔗

A problem for every solution.

358496 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1249 of 2133 🔗

Something to dampen the enthusiasm for the Spectator/Tory grandee for the vaccine. These side effects are substantial worse than flu vaccine. These objective facts should not be suppressed. It will only make matters worse. This is not antivaxx propaganda. Just objective reports.

“CDC has released its updated batch of reported Covid vaccine side effect data, through Jan. 8, when roughly 6.6 million doses had been administered. And it is… not good. Reported deaths per dose are now running at 85x per dose of flu vaccine, and ER trips at 35x…


358846 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1250 of 2133 🔗


This is a summary of the different vaccines and especially information about trials which has not been published. Some naughty Russians has hacked emails from EMA(European Medicine Agency) and are included in here .Main concern is the short time period. Animal studies in rats and six apes.

The problem is always potential carcinogenic (cancer inducing )ingredients in the vaccine or in the vaccine’s adjuvants(the vehicle to carry the vaccine).This is always a problem in all vaccines and therefore longer studies is needed in normal circumstances. If there is a risk of cancer developing it will usually take long time so therefore this is a problem for the younger recipients of the vaccine

358499 kev, 6, #1251 of 2133 🔗

“Cases” rising today worthy of note, falling for the previous 6 days not noteworthy. The BBC are vile.

What level of Hell will BoJo and the gruesome twosome move us to today?

358502 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1252 of 2133 🔗

Pandemic Logic 10 (This one actually applies to more than just the pandemic):

The biggest danger to humanity is disagreement.

358535 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, #1253 of 2133 🔗


358755 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1254 of 2133 🔗

No it isn’t.

358849 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Cranmer, #1255 of 2133 🔗

That’s the point of the Pandemic Logic series. It’s a sarcastic take on the mainstream concensus.

358503 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #1256 of 2133 🔗

Has Hancock being given a rest? Last outing in public was his gmb interview in which he under-performed so badly that it’s being hailed as the worst political interview in history – obviously krankie blinking lying interviews are actually the worst in history.

Hancocks performance follows on from a sequence of espicially high class crap, from ‘there were no tears gate’ to his smirks at the dispatch box and blair being appointed as his handler. Hancocks lies were getting pointed out in non msm media almost in real time.

I wonder if he has been pulled back from the front. His body language tells showed him to be failing mentally several weeks ago.

358505 ▶▶ kev, replying to Basics, 7, #1257 of 2133 🔗

He’s been failing mentally and morally for almost a year now

358523 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kev, 5, #1258 of 2133 🔗

I agree and will raise you many years given the state of his acquaintance during that time.

His public performance recently is from a man who soul is burned out and no amount of energy pills can raise. He looks and performs like he knows he is condemned.

358540 ▶▶ Suey, replying to Basics, 5, #1259 of 2133 🔗

He’s been failing for at least ten months now. Why no plan for the NHS for the perennial winter respiratory diseases increase? That is a failing to be laid directly at HIS door.

358767 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Basics, #1260 of 2133 🔗

What about Whately being screamed at by Piers Morgan, a contender surely?

358504 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #1261 of 2133 🔗

I see the covid dashboard is updated promptly today. No doubt as the figures are following the narrative. One question though, the number of tests carried out is now nearly 700k. I thought we were supposed to stay at home?

358514 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1262 of 2133 🔗

Tests conducted up 22.8% positive tests down 13.7% If you beleive that’s an accurate reflection of the viral spread then it is good news.

Also deaths and hospitalisations are showing signs of curving over.

358506 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 53, #1263 of 2133 🔗

This is one of the silliest comments
”Professor David Loughton, chief executive of the Royal Wolverhampton NHS Trust which runs the city’s New Cross hospital, said: “The most difficult thing for staff within the NHS; nobody – but nobody – went to medical school, went into nurse training or came into the health service to watch people die.
“That wasn’t what they trained for.”
Of course it’s what they trained for, no one is immortal.

358515 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to p02099003, 12, #1264 of 2133 🔗

The NHS is the only organisation I know of with a 100% failure rate

358531 ▶▶ leggy, replying to p02099003, 7, #1265 of 2133 🔗

Bizarre. I’d have thought if any profession outside of the military was likely to bear witness to death, it’s the medical one. Par for the course as one might say.

358547 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to leggy, 2, #1266 of 2133 🔗

I’ve heard of soldiers in the army saying that they don’t expect to face death.

358576 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ambwozere, 2, #1267 of 2133 🔗

All a jolly good jape and hope in time for tea and medals presumably! I think a few commenters on here may have a different experience of their time served. Luckily for me, I was never deployed anywhere with lead in the air, though I was quite aware of the prospect.

358744 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to leggy, #1268 of 2133 🔗

Territorials, possibly. At one time being in the RNVR was quite popular with chaps who wanted a nice uniform to wear for weddings. And the RAFVR has always been a favourite for people who like directing traffic and pumping petrol.

358833 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ambwozere, 5, #1269 of 2133 🔗

I remember an interview with a tearful mummy during the Falklands War.’We encouraged him to go into the army ’cause we thought he’d have a good career, we never thought he’d have to do any fighting.’

358976 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Ambwozere, #1270 of 2133 🔗


The representative body for the so called defence forces in Ireland wants its members to have the right to be conscientious objectors. As such, nothing would surprise me.

358544 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to p02099003, 8, #1271 of 2133 🔗

Oh dear what world do these people live in??! Everyone dies its just part of the circle of life. And to me if you can’t handle that then don’t do that kind of work.

358614 ▶▶ landt2020, replying to p02099003, 2, #1272 of 2133 🔗

I mean, they’re not supposed to just watch people die. If that’s what they’re doing then I question the rigourousness of medical school and nurse training.

358836 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to landt2020, #1273 of 2133 🔗

Presumably they no longer do dissections as part of their training?

358696 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to p02099003, 1, #1274 of 2133 🔗

Piss poor training, I say

358740 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to p02099003, 3, #1275 of 2133 🔗

What next? Nobody became a funeral director expecting to have to attend funerals all the time.

358764 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to p02099003, 4, #1276 of 2133 🔗

When I became an engineer I hadn’t foreseen the gravity of the work ahead.

358838 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #1277 of 2133 🔗

Gets you down, does it?

358966 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to p02099003, #1278 of 2133 🔗

They clearly didn’t understand the industry they were getting into so.

358508 bebophaircut, 6, #1279 of 2133 🔗

Nazi Pelosi.
Freedom is non-negotiable. Buzz off Steve Baker!

358509 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 19, #1280 of 2133 🔗

Something is definitely changing. BBC news presenter is currently asking some psuedo-scientist some pretty pressing questions. They seem to be attempting to change the narrative? Or is she going to get a massive bollocking afterwards?

358521 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1281 of 2133 🔗

Which presenter?

358528 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Julian, 10, #1282 of 2133 🔗

Don’t know her name. Think she is normally “news” 24 only. She was interrogating on how many people have been killed by lockdown and how accurate the figures are on both that and the accuracy of the cause of death..

358639 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1283 of 2133 🔗

That is something that John Anthony and Dave Cullen discuss in their NLP presentation regarding the psychological techniques used to reinforce this narrative.

Once complete and the process will start to see members of the press / media start to act like they were on the public’s side and were trying to ask difficult questions and hold the govt to account.

All NLP techiques in stages of an abusive relationship which is what the public currently has with those who rule us. Well worth checking out.


358553 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1284 of 2133 🔗

Well maybe now Biden is more or less in and the 1% elites have completed their transfer of wealth to safe havens they are now ready to open the floodgates of the economic reset.

UBI, free money to all, dollar crash on the way or something else?

358517 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 17, #1285 of 2133 🔗

Hail 5 pm! Once again, Blessed Mother Beer, I insert my wretched, worthless finger into your shining silver ring and suckle at your foaming teat. I am home…

358599 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1286 of 2133 🔗

a couple of nice jugs never hurt anyone.

358692 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1287 of 2133 🔗

We all need a Victory Beer, as we huddle on our pvc sofas, watching the Great Leader’s 5pm Address to the Nation on our flickering black and white sets. Then early to bed before the power cuts.

358518 bebophaircut, 4, #1288 of 2133 🔗

Impeach Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Chuch Schumer, Mitch McConnell, ad infinitum … Recall Boris, Cuomo, Newsom, ad infinitum.

358530 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 3, #1289 of 2133 🔗

What a shame, just three slides today … Just cut to the bloody chase man.

358596 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to kh1485, 4, #1290 of 2133 🔗

a knee slide, a bum slide and a slip slide.

358754 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 2, #1291 of 2133 🔗

Slip slidin’ away
Slip slidin’ away
You know the nearer your destination
The more you’re slip slidin’ away

358532 HoMojo, replying to HoMojo, 8, #1292 of 2133 🔗

Watched ‘All Is True’ on Netflix last night. There is a beautifully played scene between Shakespeare (Kenneth Branagh) and the Earl of Southampton (Ian McKellen) where they are waxing lyrical about the great names that have died before them, Marlowe, Kyd, Greene, Spenser ‘All  dead. Booze and passion, sex and violence killed them all. Life killed them,’ says Southampton. The thing that we are not allowed to let us kill us these days. Stay in your cells guys, because the one place where you can guarantee your food, shelter and (possibly) warmth, medical services and a modicum of education  is prison.

358581 ▶▶ alw, replying to HoMojo, #1293 of 2133 🔗

Thanks for the recommendation

358828 ▶▶ Annie, replying to HoMojo, #1294 of 2133 🔗

If it’s living that kills, the zombies are safe enough.

359024 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to HoMojo, #1295 of 2133 🔗

I didn’t see it but nobody in those days thought they would live forever. Marlowe was killed, probably murdered after getting in trouble for atheist statements, but there was a plague on in London at the time and he and others were in Deptford for that reason – when plague hit there was often a flight to the suburbs around London, if not the countryside.

358537 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 7, #1296 of 2133 🔗

“With 1,280 deaths since yesterday, he reminds people that handling something touched by an infected person can catch the virus.”
I thought that you couldn’t become infected from surfaces touched by an infected person.

358542 ▶▶ Basics, replying to p02099003, 3, #1297 of 2133 🔗

Junk mail still coming in beplagued.

358549 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to p02099003, 2, #1298 of 2133 🔗

I would think it was possible. If they spat/snotted prodigiously in their hand, wiped it all over the item in question and then you thoroughly stroked the object before licking your hands.

358562 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to p02099003, 2, #1299 of 2133 🔗

in that case why insist on masks but not gloves when entering shops?

358597 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to p02099003, 9, #1300 of 2133 🔗

They are getting desperate. The people who bleach their post then put it aside for 3 days will continue to do so. Those of us who wash our hands before preparing the first gin of the day will just laugh.

358649 ▶▶ Janette, replying to p02099003, 2, #1301 of 2133 🔗

They changing the science as they go along!

358668 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to p02099003, #1302 of 2133 🔗

Only if you heavily breath into your hand and then smear any droplets onto the object JUST before the person picks it up.
Breathing into your latex gloved hand works even better!

358743 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to p02099003, 3, #1303 of 2133 🔗

Can you catch it from toilet seats?

358826 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #1304 of 2133 🔗

Only if you put your nose … no, let’s not pursue that one.

358538 Will, replying to Will, 1, #1305 of 2133 🔗

Does anyone have any good articles highlighting the Imperial/CCP link readily to hand?

358543 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #1307 of 2133 🔗

Fraser Nelson in the Torygraph:

“ The vaccine dividend should be discernible in Israeli hospitals very soon. Scientists at the Weizmann Institute reckon that the proportion of over-60s in critical care will have roughly halved within two weeks. By Easter, it thinks, most Covid deaths will be eliminated in Israel. It will be the first major country in the world to achieve this.”

Well, we can’t have that, can we? The Woke commentariat barely recognises that Israel exists, and only then as an entity that shouldn’t. Expect Israel to be greyed-out shortly, and then made to kneel in the same grave as Sweden, and shot in the back of the head. Allah U Akbar.

358560 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #1308 of 2133 🔗

Allah U Akbar. Is that a new university?

358588 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1309 of 2133 🔗

On the West Bank. Probably.

358733 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1310 of 2133 🔗

My Hitchhikers Guide to Education says:

Good for remote learning
Slightly limited curriculum
Uni bar is a real dog.

358573 ▶▶ Julian, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #1311 of 2133 🔗

Shame that “covid deaths” as reported on in the UK are not in the main actually “covid deaths” so measuring the “vaccine dividend” is going to be tricky.

358593 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #1312 of 2133 🔗
358545 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1313 of 2133 🔗

A few samples of alternate names to replace Twitter. Chatter has already been taken. I just went there. Doubtful.
I like twaddle and jibber jabber.


358550 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1314 of 2133 🔗


358559 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Andrea Salford, #1315 of 2133 🔗

Quibble. Drivel.

358551 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1316 of 2133 🔗

How about babbleon?

358556 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1317 of 2133 🔗


358600 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to bebophaircut, #1318 of 2133 🔗


358822 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), #1319 of 2133 🔗

The Sewer.

358554 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1320 of 2133 🔗

Sorry, but twaddle and jibber jabber are already taken by messrs Whitty and Johnson

358557 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to p02099003, #1321 of 2133 🔗

They have their own message sites?

358564 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1322 of 2133 🔗

No, but I wouldn’t want to confuse people.

358568 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 1, #1323 of 2133 🔗

Mr T would have made short work of those two.

358585 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Julian, 1, #1324 of 2133 🔗

Do you mean Mrs T? If so, it would have been handbags round the head every day with those two.

358589 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1325 of 2133 🔗


358642 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #1326 of 2133 🔗


For the oldies out there. Don’t even begin to try and understand it if you are under 60.

358647 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Old Bill, 4, #1327 of 2133 🔗


358779 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to stevie, #1328 of 2133 🔗

Yeah, that is what they are all smoking.

358742 ▶▶ mj, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1329 of 2133 🔗

government is setting one up… i believe it is to be called Bullshit

358927 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to bebophaircut, #1330 of 2133 🔗

I suggest “Truth”.

358548 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #1331 of 2133 🔗

Just received from Booker’s:

Business Interruption Insurance Ruling
A Supreme Court ruling appears to force insurers to pay out on disputed coronavirus business interruption claims potentially worth £1.2bn


Insurance companies in trouble then.

358555 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1332 of 2133 🔗

Ahh wonder if that will change the ‘message’ from the government?

358609 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Victoria, 2, #1333 of 2133 🔗

Popcorn time.

358725 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Victoria, #1334 of 2133 🔗

Depends how many are Names at Lloyds.

358594 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1335 of 2133 🔗

Yes, interesting that. I’m guessing your ‘in trouble’ is a euphemism for ‘fucked’.

In which case they may as well get together and sue the government and their advisors. Now that would be an interesting spectacle to watch unfold, and possibly a telling one.

358607 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to TJN, 4, #1336 of 2133 🔗

But they’ve so far sat back smugly and done nothing. They have tacitly acquiesced to the government rules.

358634 ▶▶ Will, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1337 of 2133 🔗

If insurance companies are in trouble then so are pensions…. now that might loosen some f’cking coughs.

358666 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Awkward Git, #1338 of 2133 🔗

that reminds me, a flatmate has been going into work every day unlike the first lockdown. Apparently the hotel he works for will lose their insurance if the building is unoccupied.

358680 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1339 of 2133 🔗

They should. I checked the bedrooms daily if they were not occupied for a few days as we had at least 3 incidents where the old, cheap hot water taps opened up and we had to decorate the whole room. Although we appreciated we did not have to manually strip the wallpaper anymore.

358923 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Awkward Git, #1340 of 2133 🔗

At the end of the day, all this does is change who pays – ultimately, society will have to pay, either through taxation, insurance premiums or inflation. Re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic.

358561 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1341 of 2133 🔗

Now they’re turning on the joggers. Comments like in the linked Tweet have been a bit of a trend in recent days.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Andrew Pierce

As R rate falls further one simple new restriction which would be cheered by all: compel joggers, spitting and sweating, to wear masks


358575 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1342 of 2133 🔗

I don’t jog. I run.

358604 ▶▶ landt2020, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1343 of 2133 🔗

I don’t sweat from the mouth very much when I’m running. Am I doing it wrong?

358673 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Nobody2021, #1344 of 2133 🔗

I do spit some times on my runs, discreetly and never on a lockdown fanatic!!!!!

358820 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nobody2021, #1345 of 2133 🔗

Of course face nappies stop you sweating. I’d never realised that before.

358563 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 20, #1346 of 2133 🔗

A slight change in the latest WHO guidelines 1 st Dec about Masks from the June document.

They now include the Danish mask study and say that there is no evidence=(only limited inconsistent evidence) for masks in community settings. But they still recommend masks in certain settings in the community.


“In light of the admitted lack of scientific evidence as to the effectiveness of masking healthy people in the community, why does the WHO continue to recommend masks as part of a “risk-based approach” for the general public?”


358584 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 12, #1347 of 2133 🔗

It’s always been about following the science and its just not there. The empirical data we now have as well strengthens the sceptics view. So all they have is “it could be worse”. Pathetic

358825 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to swedenborg, #1348 of 2133 🔗

This needs to be on the front page of Saturdays LS

358862 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1349 of 2133 🔗

They don’t work but we’ll recommend them anyway

358565 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 65, #1350 of 2133 🔗

I have strapped a large loudspeaker to the roof of my car

Today I drove around the local towns and villages with the following playing on a loop

“Attention! Attention! Under the power invested in me under the (inaudible) regulations please return home immediately. I repeat please return home immediately. This is not an exercise. Please return home immediately. Please stay at home and do not eat or drink until you receive further instructions. I repeat stay at home until you receive further instructions. Further details can be obtained from our website www. (inaudible) .com”

The response was excellent, some people dropped their shopping and started running

I had a very productive couple of hours outside Costco

At one point I was stopped by the rozzers. I pointed out that I was reinforcing government advice. I added that I was also working towards my NVQ Level One Deputy Covid Marshalls Badge, and could they please sign my evidence sheet

They were very kind and said ‘we could do with more like you’ before signing

If I can bring a little ray of sunshine into peoples lives as I go along my way then it’s been a good day

358616 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1351 of 2133 🔗

I see you one day making an updated anarchic version of Trumpton* with all your exploits and press releases in there.

*For overseas readers, nothing to do with the POTUS.

358708 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1352 of 2133 🔗

Well done, you may find yourself put forward by the rozzers for an outstanding citizenship award. You know the one – black T shirt with embroidered SS insignia

358718 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Robin Birch, 1, #1353 of 2133 🔗

I have no ambition beyond NVQ Level 1

358818 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1354 of 2133 🔗

Sorry, Cess, the exams have been cancelled.

358813 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1355 of 2133 🔗

Please sir, can we panic now?

358845 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1356 of 2133 🔗

You might wake up people to realising how panic strikes they’ve become.

358567 crimsonpirate, 1, #1357 of 2133 🔗

I guess the people smugglers will be able to offer a two way service

358569 Awkward Git, 3, #1358 of 2133 🔗

Checking the CDC VAERS for covid-19 reports:


When you use “All symptoms” as the criteria it gives this error message:

This request produces 30,513 rows, but 10,000 is the maximum allowed. Simplify this request, or send a series of smaller ones. For example, group results by race but limit each query to a single race. Send a request for each race group and then merge the results. Please contact user support for further assistance.”

Oh dear will have to narrow down teh symptoms to look at – death returns 44 results so far.

358572 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 15, #1359 of 2133 🔗

Prof Chris Whitty tells the press conference that the number of cases is still “extremely high”.
“We are still at the place where just shy of one in 50 has Covid,” he says.
But the chief medical officer for England says there is some “levelling off” in the cases “thanks to enormous efforts by so many people” and because “virtually everyone” is adhering to the guidance.
“We were not sure this was going to be possible with the new variant,” he adds.

As there have been 2000+ new variants, why the concern other than to maintain the fear.

358583 ▶▶ leggy, replying to p02099003, 6, #1360 of 2133 🔗

I thought it was 1 in 30 last week, so it’s nearly halved. That’s inversely exponential isn’t it?

358638 ▶▶ Will, replying to p02099003, 4, #1361 of 2133 🔗

“Virtually everyone is adhering to the guidance” my hairy arse… the emperor hasn’t got any clothes on.

358823 ▶▶ John P, replying to p02099003, #1362 of 2133 🔗

Prof Chris Whitty tells the press conference that the number of cases is still “extremely high”.

Surely – if that’s true – then that’s good news. We might soon reach herd immunity.

358574 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 18, #1363 of 2133 🔗

Whitty is saying that the infection peak may have passed in some areas, such as London, but may follow later in the South West etc. Doesn’t that imply that lockdown has negligible effect?

358578 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TheBluePill, 16, #1364 of 2133 🔗

He knows very well it does

358620 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #1365 of 2133 🔗

And didn’t they ship some covid cases from London to the South West?

358622 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1366 of 2133 🔗

He admitted that they knew it was coming down before the March LD.

358577 jos, replying to jos, 27, #1367 of 2133 🔗

I’m sorry but really- watching the briefing does anyone believe a word of what they say now? (A quarter of people in hospital are young people who in many cases are dying of covid .. can we see the evidence?)

358595 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to jos, 21, #1368 of 2133 🔗

I never watch them, can’t stand the obvious lies, don’t even believe they care about the elderly who have died because of their actions and now just feel its damage limitation ie covering up and trying to look caring before the legal cases start

358606 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1369 of 2133 🔗

They don’t

358636 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1370 of 2133 🔗

Can I just ask why when I clicked a thumbs up on your post it changed from 0 to 10 – is this site rigged to give kudos to some posts over others?

358643 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to jos, 2, #1371 of 2133 🔗

I’ve noticed that, just thought that all the clicks were’nt there all the time until you clicked on them, weird

358644 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to jos, 8, #1372 of 2133 🔗

I think it’s because others are upvoting but it doesn’t show till you vote or refresh the page

358652 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #1373 of 2133 🔗

Exactly how it works

358669 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Victoria, #1374 of 2133 🔗

☺ Used to maintain my own WordPress site.

358684 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jos, #1375 of 2133 🔗

Toby’s got a thing for Dan…

358621 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to jos, 7, #1376 of 2133 🔗

I don’t watch their clown shows, but that sounds as though they are trying to lay the groundwork for continuing the lockdowns after those who most consider to be ‘the vulnerable’ (I.e the elderly) have been offered the vaccine.

They’re just planting that seed.

358662 ▶▶ Jane C in France, replying to jos, 9, #1377 of 2133 🔗

There is no reason whatsoever for young people or even most older peopleto end up in hospital with covid. There are lots of treatments – ivermectine, HCQ, azithromycine, vitamin C, zinc, which can be given by doctors, or even taken at home. You would think a government which wanted to get the country back to normal would be emphasising treatment – why aren’t they?

358686 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Jane C in France, 4, #1378 of 2133 🔗

Because lockdown and vaccines have to be seen to succeed.

358704 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jane C in France, #1379 of 2133 🔗

Corona ausschuss in Germany had Professor Spitz on today, who has a brilliant video about Vit D on YT.
Of course it is all because Pharma want to sell their expensive prescription products.
An Ex Health minister from Germany a few a years ago admitted that politicians have no power to rule. Pharma has such a strong lobby.

358579 p02099003, 14, #1380 of 2133 🔗

“Prof Whitty says that the numbers in hospital lags behind cases and the number of people entering hospital is still rising in all parts of the country”.
He says “we have well exceeded” the peak of the first wave but stresses that people with serious problems, such as heart attacks and strokes, should still contact the NHS.”
He said contact the NHS, not attend the hospital or call an ambulance.

358582 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #1381 of 2133 🔗

“Michael from Cornwall asks at what rate of deaths and infections the government will lift lockdown restrictions.
The prime minister says the government wants to get to a stage where the most vulnerable groups have been vaccinated.
“Depending on the effectiveness of that roll-out, and we are hoping to do all of them by the 15 February, we will think about what steps we could take to lift the restrictions, but it will also depend on where the disease is and what’s happening,” he says.
“We can’t have any false sense of security so that we lift the restrictions all together and then the disease really runs riot in the younger generations,” Mr Johnson adds.
Prof Whitty says we will not “move from a sudden lockdown situation to nothing”.”

358811 ▶▶ Annie, replying to p02099003, 1, #1382 of 2133 🔗

At least they acknowledge that the question has been asked.

358586 Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 8, #1383 of 2133 🔗

Whitty just does not blink!

358591 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 7, #1384 of 2133 🔗

Back in March I discussed with my better half whether he might have actually been CGI for this reason.

358608 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to leggy, 5, #1385 of 2133 🔗

I think he may have been brought back from the dead

358809 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #1386 of 2133 🔗

They didn’t do a very good job of it.

358610 ▶▶ jos, replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 7, #1387 of 2133 🔗

Wow – you’re right! It’s so weird..

358611 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 2, #1388 of 2133 🔗

He’s been getting tips from Michael Caine


358700 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 1, #1389 of 2133 🔗

Thousand yard stare

358587 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 18, #1390 of 2133 🔗

Just dabbled on facebook there. I’ll do it so yous don’t have to. It’s clear they’ve been well herded on the mask in shops ‘issue’. Regardless of your exemption it’s unnacceptable that you can’t wear it for thirty minutes. You should be ordering online or getting someone else to do it for you. It seems to get their backs right up that less than <1% of the shop don’t wear a mask. It would appear that this <1% alone is responsble for all COVID transmission.

Some even had exemptions but do it to make others feel safe… Good little sheep they are.

Much more resistance to the vaccine but still plenty sheep desperate to get it.

358651 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #1391 of 2133 🔗

It’s a cesspool of dim-witted sheep. You are brave to go there.

358660 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to thinkaboutit, 9, #1392 of 2133 🔗

It’s worse than that. Most social media is like a mob of medieval peasants on the way to a witch-burning. It’s impossible to argue with them. Better to spend time with those who are a bit more open minded and willing to listen to alternative arguments.

358653 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #1393 of 2133 🔗

Yes, I noticed this today as well. It’s odd because in all the months I have been shopping, I have never actually seen any customers unmasked except myself. Yet suddenly, unmasked covid-spreaders are thought to be everywhere.

358682 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cranmer, 6, #1394 of 2133 🔗

It’s utterly bizarre there is no one in the shop without a mask on I often wonder why I bother. The real irony are these facebookers are generally the same progressive lefties who are all for equality and anti discrimination. They would never have been a nazi oh no they would have seen through all the propoganda. Complete idiots and they don’t even realise it.

358805 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, #1395 of 2133 🔗

It reminds me of Nicaragua in the 1980s, when the revolutionary (=oppressive) government plastered the country with billboards warning counter-revolutionaries that a million eyes were on them all the time. The real message to the sheeple was that all their troubles were caused by the mythical counter-revolutionaries.
Snowball’s agents in Animal Farm worked the same way. And Goldstein’s in 1984 .
I support Snowball, Goldstein and the counter-revolution.

358880 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, #1396 of 2133 🔗

As opposed to the non-oppressive Somoza government?
One of the first Readers’ Digest articles I ever read praised Somoza’s response to the 1972 earthquake in Nicaragua which destroyed much of Managua. It turned out later that Somoza had embezzled much of the international aid sent to the country. Whether RD ever printed a correction I don’t know.

358750 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1397 of 2133 🔗

Arsebook is especially bad. I’ve added “Covid” and anything related to it to my filter so I don’t need to see any inane posts about it.

358905 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1398 of 2133 🔗

It’s the biggest load of cheerleading nonsense. Eg someone will just post something like ‘Hooray, Trump’s been impeached!’ which will get 200 likes and a string of posts saying ‘About time!’ ‘Yay!’ ‘Dreadful man!’ etc, each reply getting dozens of likes in itself. Anyone trying to post logic, facts etc just gets shouted down. It’s interesting to read, to get an idea of what’s going on in certain areas, but it’s a waste of time to try and engage them.

358590 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1399 of 2133 🔗

This kid is head and shoulders above his old man…


358681 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1400 of 2133 🔗

Not difficult.

358592 bebophaircut, 5, #1401 of 2133 🔗

Parler should invite other unTwitter sites to join them in a class action suit.

358598 jos, replying to jos, 12, #1402 of 2133 🔗

They keep talking about the risk of handling goods which they have never mentioned before – I’d say this is prior to banning food delivery to put the nail in the coffin for local businesses

358601 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to jos, 1, #1403 of 2133 🔗

Or mandatory gloves to go to the supermarket

358605 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to jos, #1404 of 2133 🔗

My wife has on average 5 separate deliveries at our house a day from the likes of Amazon, DPD, Hermes etc. Maybe this will curtail her online shopping?

358702 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to ThomasT, #1405 of 2133 🔗

The police are busy elsewhere so with a bit of luck someone will steal her credit card.

358726 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #1406 of 2133 🔗

Hello Police? someone has stolen my wife’s credit card.
No, i dont want you to catch them .. they are spending less than she does

358612 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to jos, 5, #1407 of 2133 🔗

I guess its official, they’ve lost their minds and sense of logic

358615 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1408 of 2133 🔗

Nope, they have a brilliant strategy to make sure the remaining small businesses are closed

358640 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Victoria, 1, #1409 of 2133 🔗

I know that part of their Agenda but seems crazy

358863 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to jos, 1, #1410 of 2133 🔗

Over here in Brazil we’ve had that little gem from the start, people are dousing their deliveries in all sorts of weird and wonderful concoctions, most of which probably won’t improve the taste of the pizza.

358613 Nobody2021, 4, #1411 of 2133 🔗

This article highlights how knowledge of this virus is ever changing. Yet somebody thought it would be a good idea to say “the science is settled” and then make up constantly changing laws on the basis of “following the science”:

Do you know how Covid really spreads? Government messaging on transmission has been unacceptably sluggish and timidBY Stuart Ritchie

Okay, okay, I get it — I should be cleaning my hands. Clearly someone thinks handwashing is among our most potent weapons in stopping the spread of the virus. But is it?

358617 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 13, #1412 of 2133 🔗

How did we end up with so many weirdo’s all at one time, Blair (in the shadows), Ferguson, Whitty, Hancock, Johnson etc

358628 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1413 of 2133 🔗

and Patel

358747 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to DanClarke, #1414 of 2133 🔗

Yes very odd,
it’s almost as though they’d been hand picked for the job , but that surely couldn’t be possible.

358760 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #1415 of 2133 🔗

Why not?

Big job.

358619 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 7, #1416 of 2133 🔗

Thanks to the people who are masochistic enough to watch the press conference and report it here for us who are concerned about our blood pressure.
I am currently watching a WHO press conference live.

358623 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Silke David, 2, #1417 of 2133 🔗

And that’s helping your blood pressure David?

358627 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jo, 1, #1418 of 2133 🔗

It’s blablabla. really empty bla.

358671 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Silke David, 2, #1419 of 2133 🔗

Watching Night Stalker, the hunt for a serial killer – light relief compared to the UK gov propaganda.

358719 ▶▶ mj, replying to Silke David, 2, #1420 of 2133 🔗

talking of WHO, i noticed they had sent the Covid investigation team to China . i really cannot think of anything to say that would be funnier than the truth

358624 jos, replying to jos, 3, #1421 of 2133 🔗

Did Johnson just suggest the army will be coming to get us if we don’t get the jab voluntarily?

358626 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to jos, #1422 of 2133 🔗

Haha…not watching it. Did this actually happen?

358844 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1423 of 2133 🔗

He said ‘The crucial thing is that everybody gets down to their vaccination centre. When we have the problem of people not getting the message, then there are other ways of reaching out to them – we’ve got the army….’ Couldn’t be more clear or more sinister..

358645 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jos, #1424 of 2133 🔗

He did suggest we know where you are

358654 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1425 of 2133 🔗

Haha… What a sausage

358655 ▶▶ wayno, replying to jos, 1, #1426 of 2133 🔗

This is going to be fun.

359445 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to wayno, #1427 of 2133 🔗

I have a machete.

358630 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #1429 of 2133 🔗

Travel corridors closed for four weeks.

358663 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to p02099003, #1430 of 2133 🔗

Did they say 4 weeks? Is that 4 weeks from Monday or today?

358720 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), #1431 of 2133 🔗

probably Monday-Tuesday 16th Feb Champions League returns

358631 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 19, #1432 of 2133 🔗

“Don’t even get me started on the children.”

@calvinrobinson talking sense.

It’s not possible to work and homeschool children at the same time. The harm being done (in a vain attempt to control nature) is enormous.

The media must stop fuelling panic.

We need a way out now.


358775 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 1, #1433 of 2133 🔗
358637 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 12, #1434 of 2133 🔗

Goodness, the huge number of professional people, like journalists, who are unable to switch on a microphone during a conference call, this is not the future!

358661 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Silke David, 3, #1435 of 2133 🔗

Those journalists are a bit thick. I bet they can’t spell DNA let alone tell you what it does.

358646 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 11, #1436 of 2133 🔗

Gloomy thought for the weekend regarding vaccines. What if:

  1. Take-up is insufficient to achieve herd immunity (think France, US, Germany etc.)
  2. The vaccine doesn’t have sterilising immunity (i.e. doesn’t stop the spread)
  3. New variants can’t be stopped by the vaccine

Then governments will SURELY have to re-assess living with the virus rather than trying to stop it. Accepting the deaths and realising the life cannot be on hold forever.

I would personally rather then vaccine ‘worked’ but even if it doesn’t I think there will be an exit from the Madness from the spring/summer…

358658 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to jhfreedom, 7, #1437 of 2133 🔗


358717 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to jhfreedom, 16, #1438 of 2133 🔗

Oh dear …, the vaccine isn’t supposed to work , work against what exactly, protect who ?
The agenda is vax passports and a total ID/tracked future and that’s just for starters.
This is not about a public health emergency, a global coup is underway over which we the ordinary folk who will be affected most have absolutely no say.
This isn’t going to end until the WHO declares the pandemic over.
We are being psyoped and groomed to accept the continuous evolution of the lockdown restrictions. It’s called predictive programming.
Only this week we’ve been softened up for no May elections, then the totally discredited Ferguson is back talking about restrictions until the autumn.
The release will be through acquiescing to the ID agenda via vax.
But there will be further “mutations” and further mystery viruses the vax requirement will be regular and multiple. This is the trans humanism agenda, it isn’t fantasy it isn’t made up conspiracy it’s fact it’s the global agenda and it’s playing out right now.
Only wide spread public resistance will stop it and what chance of that , zero.

358648 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 15, #1439 of 2133 🔗

We’ve been sitting here since March 2020 and we’ve moved no further than an asthmatic ant with heavy shopping.

358656 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Hubes, 8, #1440 of 2133 🔗

A whole year and the effing NHS managers are still hopeless. Why aren’t their heads on a stick?

358674 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #1441 of 2133 🔗

It wouldn’t make any difference if they got rid of the current NHS managers. They’d get new ones in and nothing would change. It’s the whole structure that’s broken. There are so many layers of unnecessary bullshit and pointless processes that cause a lot of the delays. They probably have more middle management and admin people than doctors and nurses. It would take decades to fix all that is broken with it.

358777 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to thinkaboutit, #1442 of 2133 🔗

Hmm – hands are tied I’m afraid. Quite a few are unhappy with what’s happening.

358650 crimsonpirate, 1, #1443 of 2133 🔗

nothing on the BBC sport page re no travel. I guess Boris forgot to mention elite sport eg Champions League football is exempt

358657 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1444 of 2133 🔗

I spotted thees quotes on the latest ONS Deaths report:

In Week 53, the number of deaths registered was 26.6% above the five-year average (2,115 deaths higher) but this increase should be treated with caution.

trends in this week’s release should be interpreted with caution.

So don’t they trust their own numbers?

And does this show the vaccine effect again:

The biggest increase was seen in those aged between 85 and 89 years (100 more deaths). More than three-quarters (75.3%) of deaths involving COVID-19 were in people aged 75 years and over.

Between Weeks 52 and 53, the number of deaths involving COVID-19 increased in hospitals, care homes, private homes, hospices and elsewhere (167, 30, 25, 9 and 1 more death respectively).

359143 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Awkward Git, #1445 of 2133 🔗

In Week 53, the number of deaths registered was 26.6% above the five-year average (2,115 deaths higher)

That implies the five year average was a tad under 8,000 – seems low.

358665 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 63, #1446 of 2133 🔗

Some good news: following the Italians, the Poles are now rebelling against lockdowns in an orderly fashion. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9142789/Hundreds-tourist-trade-businesses-DEFY-Covid-lockdown-rules-say-reopen-Poland.html

God save Poland and her people in her hour of need.

358677 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Cranmer, 21, #1447 of 2133 🔗

The comments are surprisingly good also. Just a shame that here in the UK the brainwashed sheep are too scared to even try something as good as this.
Well Done Poland 🤙🏻

358713 ▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 16, #1448 of 2133 🔗

Solidarność – we have a lot to learn

358715 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Paulus, 4, #1449 of 2133 🔗

🤜🏻 🤛🏻 With you on that Paulus.

358735 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 21, #1450 of 2133 🔗

Not so quick- my local KBF group are going to try to wake our local Italian and other cafes and restaurants up in Eastbourne to do the same. It’s up to us, the people to start civil disobedience

358753 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Marialta, 4, #1451 of 2133 🔗

Apologies Marialta, 🤜🏻 🤛🏻 With you on that also. I wish you luck & have my fingers crossed 🤞 that you do get this started.

358890 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Marialta, 1, #1452 of 2133 🔗

I wonder if any Polish-owned restaurants and shops in this country would be willing to do the same?

358900 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Marialta, 2, #1453 of 2133 🔗

Hope this goes well. Please post on here if money is needed for a defence fund.

358902 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #1454 of 2133 🔗

It may be as bad, or possibly worse than the UK here in the US, the land of the sheep and the home of the slave.

358964 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #1455 of 2133 🔗

I suspect that some form of mass civil disobedience (which no doubt would lead to some violent confrontations with police) is the only thing which is going to get us out of this. However I cant see that happening in the UK so far as the vast majority of businesses seem not only to implement the restrictions but also be true believers in them. When the government says ‘jump’ their response is to say ‘is that high enough’.

That also goes for all ‘non government organisations’. Just to give 4 examples of things I am involved in….The wildlife Trusts,The Severn Valley Railway,the Chipping Campden Music Festival and Symphony Hall. Not a peep of resistance out of any of them…even if it ultimately destroys them…all their communications are slavish in their adherence to the covid religion.

358721 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cranmer, 11, #1456 of 2133 🔗

Not surprised. Communism is still fresh in many people’s minds and I suspect the Poles have had enough.

358739 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, 12, #1457 of 2133 🔗

Poland has a long history of oppression and resistance to it. Perhaps they can start showing the coward nations how to man (or woman) up. And about bloody time.
Anybody here got contacts in Poland?

358786 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Annie, #1458 of 2133 🔗

Poland is leading the push for for the vax passport in Euroland,ditto Greece

358975 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bill Grates, #1459 of 2133 🔗

Beware the Greecy Pole.

358670 l835, replying to l835, 23, #1460 of 2133 🔗

Plenty of mention of surfaces transmitting the virus on tonight’s clown show. Do I now need to sanitise the bricks before I launch them through government office windows?

358672 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to l835, 9, #1461 of 2133 🔗

I personally wouldn’t bother. The white heat of my anger would sanitise the brick.

358676 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to l835, 9, #1462 of 2133 🔗

Soak them in alcohol, set alight, the oxygen they will pick up whilst flying through the air will cause a larger fire.

358690 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Silke David, 4, #1463 of 2133 🔗

You obviously didn’t have a wasted childhood, lol.

358687 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to l835, 2, #1464 of 2133 🔗

I wouldn’t bother, there’s no way to make a clean brick.

358691 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to l835, 5, #1465 of 2133 🔗

Don’t just be scared of people, be scared of objects too.

358706 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to l835, 9, #1466 of 2133 🔗

Yes, I decided to sanitise my next door neighbours car with petrol…then just to make double sure that I had killed the virus, I lit the petrol…….it appears to have worked, but the car is fucked now….

I’m kidding btw, but, that is the kind of logic that is spewing out of these gobshites mouths now.

358724 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to l835, 6, #1467 of 2133 🔗

It’s all those dirty bastards fiddling with their face rags who are spreading it onto surfaces. I watch them (mask-less, of course) in the supermarkets….hands to those bloody muzzles constantly.

358972 ▶▶ Annie, replying to l835, #1468 of 2133 🔗

They are a superficial.p lot.

358678 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #1469 of 2133 🔗

It’s all OK , we are saved ,


358699 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Bill Grates, 2, #1470 of 2133 🔗

And so it begins!

358854 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #1471 of 2133 🔗

Fer f’s sake:

The Vaccination Credential Initiative (VCI) is a coalition of public and private partners committed to empowering individuals with digital access to their vaccination records based on open, interoperable standards so they can:

  1. protect and improve their health, and
  2. d emonstrate their health status to safely return to travel, work, school and life while protecting their data privacy.

Participating health organizations (“Vaccination Data Sources”) agree to provide individuals with digital access to their vaccination records using the open, interoperable SMART Health Cards specification based on W3C Verifiable Credential and HL7 FHIR standards (“SMART Health Cards”) and be listed in a common registry of issuers. Vaccination Data Sources can provide individuals with access to their SMART Health Cards via:

  • Digital wallet apps that adhere to the SMART Health Cards Framework
  • PDF or paper printed with QR code referring to the SMART Health Cards

Participating technology and other collaborating partners agree to support Vaccination Data Sources in issuing SMART Health Cards.


And look, one of the partners is……. Microsoft.

358889 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 4, #1472 of 2133 🔗

It’s like we’ve been mugged and in order to get back what was stolen we have to agree it was really our own fault in the first place.
and when we do do get the wallet back it’s empty , but we are cheerfully encouraged to “have a great day”

358683 happychappy, replying to happychappy, 30, #1473 of 2133 🔗

Just been watching my local 6pm BBC news, in the East region. Usual interview with a tearful nurse under tremendous pressure. She claims that, in addition to the current situation, they still have the pressures of the expected Xmas peak to deal with.

Sorry? I’m lost.

We weren’t allowed to mix at Christmas. We were expressly forbidden to get together under fear of Police breaking in and detaining ‘offenders’. Family holidays were ruined. How can there be a Christmas peak when we were in strict lockdown?

358688 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to happychappy, 20, #1474 of 2133 🔗

We are halfway through January. Is this how the rest of my life is going to be – where morons link things to other things?

‘It will be spring soon. People clean their houses. Let’s close the tips’

358728 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1475 of 2133 🔗

I’ve just heard that snow is forecast soon. Maintaining 2 metre distance will be hard. Sliding into people on icy footpaths is likely. Close all footpaths & Stay safe

358741 ▶▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Marialta, 7, #1476 of 2133 🔗

Don’t joke! In 2000 they closed all the public footpaths in the country because they thought pedestrians could spread foot and mouth disease. That turned out to be nonsense.

358749 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 4, #1477 of 2133 🔗

Our local farmer in Essex, who hated walkers ( and all other people, but walkers especially), closed all the footpaths across his land in about five minutes, though there were no livestock on his farm at all.

359106 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1478 of 2133 🔗

They did close the tips in the first house arrest

358689 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to happychappy, 12, #1479 of 2133 🔗

She can’t be that busy if she has time to do a pointless interview.

358698 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Hubes, 10, #1480 of 2133 🔗

Exactly. How many allied soldiers gave Pathe News interviews on the beaches of Normandy? BBC can **** right off, the ****s.

358701 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Hubes, 10, #1481 of 2133 🔗

That’s my thoughts when they film in ICU.The doctors and nurses always have time to give an interview.They don’t take the 2 minutes you see on TV

358685 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 24, #1482 of 2133 🔗

I’ve changed my name by deed poll to ‘Covid Marshall’ This means I can go anywhere I want and do anything I want including opening the pubs

358710 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1483 of 2133 🔗

Yes CB but can I get a bloody drink?

358711 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1484 of 2133 🔗

Don’t stop there, promote yourself to Field Marshal.

358693 Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 2, #1485 of 2133 🔗

This is the standard of BBC reporting. Thank you for clarifying that you can stop new strains coming from wherever because you don’t know where they are coming from:


358695 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 9, #1486 of 2133 🔗

Covid tongue is a new symptom apparently


So, what is Boris, Sturgeon, Drakeford, Whitty & the other gormless bastard (I forget his name) got then?

I call it Big Gobshite Mouth…it’s another new symptom of the virus.
It is when the words that come out of your (their) mouth are all just chronic gobshite.

Please can someone report this new symptom to the BBC? I’m sure they will be very interested in this new symptom that I’ve just invented 🤔

358729 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 8, #1487 of 2133 🔗

Geographic tongue now rebranded as covid tongue. Add that to the ever growing list. Flu and pneumonia are now covid. Post viral syndrome is long covid. A positive test is now a case. Died with is now died of.

358762 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Hubes, 3, #1488 of 2133 🔗

Thanks for the clarification Mr. Orwell. And remind me again with whom we are at war? Is it Eurasia or Eastasia?

358800 ▶▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1489 of 2133 🔗


358785 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #1490 of 2133 🔗


358703 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 7, #1491 of 2133 🔗

Forget the numbers and data and get ready for the vaccination passport!

358709 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TheClone, 7, #1492 of 2133 🔗

Anyone feel like the noose just tightened?

358819 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1493 of 2133 🔗

No. I don’t wear one.

358705 Cecil B, 14, #1494 of 2133 🔗

Churchill May 1945

“We may allow ourselves a brief period of rejoicing; but let us not forget for a moment the toil and efforts that lie ahead.”

Pig Dictator Date TBA

“We may allow ourselves a brief period of rejoicing; before you suckers have to pay for this shitshow”

358707 bebophaircut, 4, #1495 of 2133 🔗

Freedom of Information. Besiege them with thousands of requests. It is your right to know.

Boris speaketh with Covid tongue.

358714 rockoman, 10, #1496 of 2133 🔗

Before 2020 it was established science that not only do quarantines not work, but that they are pursued rather for political reasons.

It was also held, that where one subset of the population, as in this case, was paricularly vulnerable to infection, that slowing down the spread of a disease would ultimately result in more deaths – ie the same message as in thstudy from Univ. Edinburgh that I posted yesterday.



  1. In the Epidemiology Journal, Harvard and Yale professors Marc Lipsitch and Ted Cohen say delaying infection can leave the elderly worse off . (2008)

They explain how delaying the risk of infection can work counterintuitively when the pathogen is more lethal for older populations. They say, “Reducing the risk that each member of a community will be exposed to a pathogen has the attendant effect of increasing the average age at which infections occur. For pathogens that inflict greater morbidity at older ages, interventions that reduce but do not eliminate exposure can paradoxically increase the number of cases of severe disease by shifting the burden of infection toward older individuals.” Based on this analysis, Covid-19, which disproportionately harms the older more than the young, is better handled by allowing the community to be exposed, whether through natural infection or vaccination.

  1. A team of Johns Hopkins scholars say quarantines don’t work but are pursued for political reasons . (September 2019)

In the report, they explain how quarantine is more political than related to public health: “During an emergency, it should be expected that implementation of some NPIs, such as travel restrictions and quarantine, might be pursued for social or political purposes by political leaders, rather than pursued because of public health evidence.”

358716 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 16, #1497 of 2133 🔗

Football players urged to limit close contact???????

358727 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #1498 of 2133 🔗

It’s nothing to do with science and everything to do with the messaging.

Can’t have any reason for people to say “what about them”.

358734 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Fingerache Philip, 19, #1499 of 2133 🔗

Inch by inch our world as we know it is being deliberately destroyed.
This is just another example. If people don’t start rebelling this year the prospects of normal service being resumed are bleak

358796 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bill Grates, 9, #1500 of 2133 🔗

Bill, I think that the chances of going back to pre-2020 are zero.

Something different will emerge from this process.

But ….

We must strive to make it what we want, and not what they want.

358817 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to rockoman, 6, #1501 of 2133 🔗

“Bill, I think that the chances of going back to pre-2020 are zero.”

Erm … well that’s certainly true. Not likely to go back to 2020 either. Or even yesterday …

I have a bit of a beef with those who are frightened of change – you can’t go back. You can o