2021-01-16

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359492 ▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1 of 1992 🔗

First

359493 ▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #2 of 1992 🔗

gab.com – free speech social media
https://gab.com/

359706 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Stephen Priest, #3 of 1992 🔗

I have used Gab for at least a year, but it is very slow now. Unfortunately their technical reputation is poor. But use it by all means.

359742 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Basileus, 7, #4 of 1992 🔗

It was fast enough a month or so ago.
AFAIK the speed issues are down to millions of extra subscribers in less than a week.

359756 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #5 of 1992 🔗

Actually, to be fair, it is fine this morning.

360190 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Stephen Priest, #6 of 1992 🔗

I cannot access Gab any more. It just hangs!

360229 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #7 of 1992 🔗

Wikipedia says Gab is favoured by the far right and “widely described as a haven for extremists including neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists.” Discuss.

360346 ▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Steve F, 11, #8 of 1992 🔗

Great, sounds like I’ll fit right in there

I think Wikipedia has become a haven of woke/lockdown zealotry fake news, so I no longer donate to them (used to regularly).

360908 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to zacaway, 2, #9 of 1992 🔗

I never have donated even though they keep telling me I should. Not likely to now. I recall they were pretty damning about the ERG during the Brexit wars. Not really striving too hard for intellectual objectivity, are they?

361219 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve F, 2, #10 of 1992 🔗

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/

361296 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to rockoman, 1, #11 of 1992 🔗

Thanks for that link, rockoman. Pretty damning. Never really trusted their impartiality or factual accuracy. Certainly don’t now.

361156 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve F, 3, #12 of 1992 🔗

Wikipedia is a haven for Far Left extremists, election fraudsters, corrupt Democrats and the CCP.

361216 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve F, 1, #13 of 1992 🔗

The sort of people who were described as ‘subversive elements’ in the Soviet Union.

361053 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Stephen Priest, #14 of 1992 🔗

Get gabbing.

359494 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Steve Hayes, #15 of 1992 🔗

Congrats!

359495 ▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 32, #16 of 1992 🔗

COMING TO A LOCAL CINEMA NEAR YOU.

PANDEMIC IV. THE BRAZILIAN.

Of course, you won’t be able to see it, because all the cinemas are closed. You’ll just have to rely on the critics reactions to tell you how scary it is in the press.

Hancock, Whitty and Johnson will be appearing nightly with their thoughts and reviews. Furgusson reckons it will be a huge hit, reaching out to millions.

359497 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richy_m_99, 11, #17 of 1992 🔗

bozo “do you think they’ll fall for ‘Mutant Covid From Outer Space’ ?”

359508 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 7, #18 of 1992 🔗

Delivered daily to a desert near you, by meteorite.

360256 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to karenovirus, 3, #19 of 1992 🔗

I saw several shooting stars last night. At least I thought they were shooting stars but I now reckon they must have been pods being scattered across the globe by evil aliens intent on the destruction of civilisation. Or perhaps to help world governments to do the job for them.

359774 ▶▶ AethelredTheReadier, replying to Richy_m_99, 24, #20 of 1992 🔗

It’s beginning to sound like a series of Alistair Maclean thrillers…The Brazilian Variant, The South African Mutant, The Madagascan Strain, The Antarctic Conundrum…and so on. I mean there’s no end to how many mutant strains there could be and so no end to this nonsense as long as we have politicians who are scared of headlines, can’t think beyond the box they’re in and who only listen to a narrow band of opinion.

360055 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 8, #21 of 1992 🔗

The politicians aren’t scared, they knowing they are lying.

360749 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Rowan, 2, #22 of 1992 🔗

I think they are both. But that’s just my opinion.

360317 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 3, #23 of 1992 🔗

Good comment but I can’t give two votes of approval so this thumbs-up is mostly for your username.

360425 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 4, #24 of 1992 🔗

When we get to the playoffs between the Sussex Pangolin Superstars and the Berkshire ‘Rona Royals we’ll know the naming thing has gone too far!

360633 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 6, #25 of 1992 🔗

I’ve read elsewhere that over 4000 variants have been identified in the UK alone ( I think it was Mike Yeadon?)

359496 ▶ PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 12, #26 of 1992 🔗

Covid 19, Mutant Ninja, South African, Brazilian (one of two). Am I up to speed?

359510 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to PatrickF, 28, #27 of 1992 🔗

You need to keep it real Boris. How about one that has been unleashed by the melting Antarctic ice?

Ooh, I like that one Patrick,. Fits in nicely with the climate change series. We can do a full cross over episode.

359514 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #28 of 1992 🔗

And the one carried by the melting Arctic ice and helped on its way by El Niño and the Jetstream.

359643 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #29 of 1992 🔗

Please don’t give them any more ideas! Though I’m sure this one is also in the pipeline to terrify the masses.

360491 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #30 of 1992 🔗

He is now abut to save the whales from the Japanese. You can see he has been full on brainwashed by nut Nuts. Hes worse than the other idiot Camoron now

360575 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to iansn, 2, #31 of 1992 🔗

What is wrong with saving whales?, Sea Shepherd have been heroically doing this for years

361130 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Woden, 2, #32 of 1992 🔗

I wish somebody would save Wales. We’re all dying under Drakeford.

Ooops sorry, wrong whales.

359646 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 8, #33 of 1992 🔗

Are we still with Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus 3 or 4?

The government has spun so many lies its hard to keep up.

359651 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #34 of 1992 🔗

I don’t keep up. I switched off about this time last year.

359654 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #35 of 1992 🔗

I have as well but with people still falling for the lies, one is forced to keep up.

359866 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to PatrickF, 9, #36 of 1992 🔗

someone mentioned on here yesterday that all these new ‘variant’s UK, South Africa and Brazil are all countries where the Phizer trials were conducted.
Coincidence or causation we will never know, not one to be a conspiracy theorist or anything but i found it rather interesting…

359917 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #37 of 1992 🔗

Its an interesting point, it plants a suspicion in my mind certainly. But I don’t know how it could be proved or disproved.

360142 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to dhpaul, 2, #38 of 1992 🔗

That’s where science begins. Asking questions and refining the questions.
How might we prove vaccines help more than hinder?
That’s where the science is aborted. Such studies are not funded, allowed or published.
A belief in anything can be so forcefully cherished as to be protected from question, and fear of negative consequence provides the force, and the funding of allegiance and support.
Our self-invested identities are a complex of such ‘beliefs’ and operate as invisible structures of presumed and defended ‘reality’.
Those who question their ‘reality-experience’ are those whose masking persona has failed to hide or cover what lies beneath.
The suppression and inhibition of fear and hate results from perceiving it as threat, and defends against ‘threat’ by masking over and projecting or diverting away from self-responsibility. Blame as redistribution of psychic energy, along with penalty of pain or exclusion.
Maintaining defences must needs hold such hate as righteous or justified by grievance, and to this end, all that is of love is likewise perceived as threat to the capacity to protect a broken, wounded or betrayed ‘love’.
The feelings and insights of love are thus equally perceived as threatening, treacherous, fickle and deceitful and thus demonised and denied in the frame of the hated and feared ‘self-conflict’.

Love of truth must then be chosen over fear of love set in frame of denial and deceit, IF a mistaken identity or ‘love of fear as protector’, is to be released. The nature of the defence is something we have ‘made’ that runs as a machine mind, that knows not who and what you are, for it is made to masked over, distance and deny your awareness of a fear, hate of guilt whose origin lies beneath a complex of defences against disclosure.

If we choose to heal, then the action element of hate calls for inhibition, but the action element of love needs to be disinhibited. Instead of sacrificing love to a futile, depleting and destructive defence that can not work, we need learn of love anew, by bringing the fear or hate into the light of an awareness that heals our perception and restores perspective.

This simplified sketch does not indicate just how entangled and fragmented our ‘defences’ of conflicts have become. But a universal key is ‘release and be released’. This does not relate to behaviours, but to the projection and perception of our own motives and judgements onto other lives, and to our world.

How can we prove or become certain that anything is true of false?
As distinct from becoming captured or controlled by a belief that WANTS it so?

Self-honesty is a transparency to true account at the level or quality of our being, regardless of the measuring stick and hierarchies of judgements that ‘make’ a world to mask out and cover over ‘separation trauma’ within Mind – that take on physicalised partitions as the Human Conditioning.

To the ‘mask’, there is no other reality than life under threat of death as the struggle for power. But you can recognise this is not your reality by the simple grace of noticing it in act. And open the basis to ask and receive answer that is growing Conscious from a mind renewed.

“I do not know what anything is for.”

To me, the purpose of everything is to prove that my illusions about myself are real. It is for that purpose that I attempt to use everyone and everything. It is this that I believe the world is for. Therefore I do not recognize its real purpose. The purpose I have given the world has led to a frightening picture of it. Let me open my mind to its real purpose by withdrawing the one I have given it, and learning the truth about it. ACIM.

359924 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #39 of 1992 🔗

Consider that IF such a malice was intended there are no checks or defences against it being carried out and assigned to wild mutations, and blamed on a lack of public zeal for self-destruction.

One can identify poliovirus in children that is a vaccination strain as distinct from ‘wild’. But under a Cartel Pharmasorcery – where is the means or the will to independent accountability and transparency?

The population is being normalised to constant threat as the basis for total control. Alex Thompson at UK Column started a series on the mind control process called disinformation by the then KGB. It will illuminate some sense of the mind as a targeted proxy for a destructive and coercive intent.

360084 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to penelope pitstop, 6, #40 of 1992 🔗

Careful now, we don’t want people thinking you’re a crazy ‘tin-hat conspiracy theorist!’ Get your mask back on. I want you on your doorstep banging pots every Thursday at 8pm!

359922 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to PatrickF, 12, #41 of 1992 🔗

The distinguishing symptom of the Brazilian strain is that it makes all your pubic hair fall out.

359963 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 2, #42 of 1992 🔗

Nice, I can stop manscaping now.

360495 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to kpaulsmith1463, #43 of 1992 🔗

but with a landing strip in the middle.

360429 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to PatrickF, #44 of 1992 🔗

The Mexican Hairless is so definitely one to watch

360622 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to PatrickF, 5, #45 of 1992 🔗

There were over 77,000 variants worldwide in March 2020. There were over 300 in the UK. It is probably double that now.

http://preearth.net/pdfs/ids-cdate-sdate-name-country-mutations-77827.txt

359499 ▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 64, #46 of 1992 🔗

From the main text about enhanced international travel restrictions and quarantines.

If the Government really thought Covid was an existential threat and that quarantine was an effective tool with which to fight it they would have commandeered the numerous large hotels around Heathrow and turned them into quarantine holding centres last March rather than allowing returnees to travel home on public transport, via Sainsbury’s, and then voluntarily self isolate.

This is all just more showing that something is being done.

359500 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 20, #47 of 1992 🔗

Back in early January, when the government was first aware of the potential pandemic, it decided “on the scientific advice” not to secure the borders, This was stated publicly by a member of the Cabinet. Unfortunately, I cannot now recall which one.

359502 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 25, #48 of 1992 🔗

Because Trump announced something similar it made it ‘racist’ to suggest such things.

360236 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, 5, #49 of 1992 🔗

Without the ‘bad cop’ the scam doesn’t operate.

359613 ▶▶ alw, replying to karenovirus, 5, #50 of 1992 🔗

Always easier to do something than nothing. Viruses like germs, diseases and bacteria are no respecters of borders.

360313 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to alw, 1, #51 of 1992 🔗

The idea that choosing to not act, is an absence of the presence of conscious communication is the reaction of a driven and coercive compulsion to DO SOMETHING.
The latter is the means by which we choose to give up choice to a private and protected identity set in fear and attack.

Most everything said about viruses represents a projection of such a human psycho-pathological set of conflicted ‘meanings’ (sic).

The underlying psychic NEED to assign demonic or malign intent onto Life – and normalise it, is the unwillingness and perhaps unreadiness to own, face and live through fear as a transformative desire to heal.

Instead, fear is fed with sacrifice of life and lives as if the power of protection in distancing, locking down and masking narrative by which to raise a parody of life from fear of death under blind ‘controls’ that can never have enough ‘control’.
Once it passed its tipping point, the mask of virtue could no longer be maintained. It’s a death cult under mind control.
Hence I listen in the heart for the movement of being that knows life by sharing it.
The modelling mind can serve practical function. But to invest identity there is to dissociate to a fixated fascination with our own ‘reflection’.
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/mutating-variants-in-fear-of-threat.html

359746 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to karenovirus, 8, #52 of 1992 🔗

Just shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, this government are now out of ideas and running scared.

360072 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 10, #53 of 1992 🔗

The government isn’t scared. The government’s job is to make you scared, working on behalf of Bill Gates, the depopulator-in-chief. Now roll up your sleeve!

360369 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Rowan, 3, #54 of 1992 🔗

No one who walks the world in form but has fear striking at his breast.

But the expression of fear called ‘control’ is mistaken for Power.
Worshipping control is a death cult seeking power over feared Life.

Making entertainment from fear is another way to limit and dissociate or distance from what we choose not to look on.

That our choices can become conditioned reactions or normalised behaviourally set ‘thinking’ is a programming by the past upon the present so as to escape reliving a past trauma. The word trauma here is used for the psychic split and not any physical associations. Nor is it used to elicit sympathies of emotional reactions that play out private conflicts on others as if to use them for one’s own agenda as a paramount concern.

If as would seem reasonable to assume, fear, is recognised as a tool of manipulation underlying a global collapse or power grab, then why are we not addressing fear in all its deceits?

For the most part because fear runs the mind we think is ours alone, and that we protect as a private sense of control, by seeking social and perceptual reinforcements by which to seem to join, but always on the basis of a prior claim to separate. In such a world, freedom is assigned to the body as the limit of the mind, and as the currency of locked down minds. Escape into fantasy masks over the pain of loss in symbol and substitution for lost love and its separation trauma. Perhaps for a while the dream seems real and full of hope, but only until the fear from which it hides is masked out.
The mask disintegrates to reveal the ‘escape’ unreal or deceitful, and the underlying disturbance rises to be healed. But fear cannot see this because it blocks seeing as its new normal of ‘control’.

360424 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Rowan, 17, #55 of 1992 🔗

Well they haven’t scared me! I’m just fed up with hearing about covid now. The whole thing is just looking like mass incompetence/bungling and politicians the world over are looking increasingly desperate. They fear the public rebelling. I believe they are scared of the public now as none of the measures like lockdowns, muzzles and social distancing have worked and now its glaringly obvious, hence the more ridiculous fear propaganda. Even those vaccines are useless (no one has ever successfully produced a vaccine for a coronavirus). Once people wake up and the dominoes fall they will have nowhere to hide. Even if Gates is behind covid (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t mean his plans would work, remember mother nature is above even him. Megalomaniacs never account for human nature, diversity in humanity, unintended consequences or chaos theory, that’s why they often lose in the end. For all his billions Gates isn’t immortal and has far more to lose then I have, given his age I’m sure he’ll be dead before me.

360437 ▶▶▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 8, #56 of 1992 🔗

I hope you’re right.

360956 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 2, #57 of 1992 🔗

Not sure they’re scared. Playing for time, certainly.

361181 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 1, #58 of 1992 🔗

Bolted, met a pretty mare, settled down, mated and had a foal.

360226 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 10, #59 of 1992 🔗

Oh but did I really just read above the line the simpletons of sage say let’s use county borders to stop the spread. Build the wall, build the wall. I know arsehats like Pantsdown and Mitchie don’t leave London very often but we don’t exactly have marked Borders and checkpoints. One side of my street is one town the other side is another, we get different bin days. Would I now be shot crossing the road to put out the rubbish for the old lady opposite?
What makes a good business? One where there is no one division that’s all powerful. If accounts gets too strong all brilliant innovation gets stymied as they can’t see the big picture. If engineers are in charge you go down rabbit holes to push the design to its limit and can’t see the cost.
Our Firm Mother Britain is run currently by the health and safety’s supposed scientific dogma. They care nothing about cost because lives need to be saved. They think if one mask is good, two must be better. All deaths like accidents are preventable because we can learn to control the virus. But the most critical thing is all deaths MUST now be covid. This is our only danger. Let’s find all the people who might have it and lock them up. I am sorry if the Bridge has fallen down killing 200 people we were only concerned with keeping people SAFE.

361251 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #60 of 1992 🔗

We could build a wall around the inside of the M25. Wall off those Londoners .

359501 ▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 21, #61 of 1992 🔗

From the main text, Steerpike thinks you might get away with a two or three day break without a test or quarantine.
Nah, plod will arrest you for breaking the ‘spirit of the law’ which is their way of saying the law is what we say it is.

359503 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to karenovirus, 9, #62 of 1992 🔗

Laws, rules, guidance and now the even vaguer, “spirit” of lockdown. Simples to understand!

359511 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 12, #63 of 1992 🔗

Working towards the Führer.

360231 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 4, #64 of 1992 🔗

As you said yesterday Annie, you can go out to exercise but stay home?

359970 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to PatrickF, 5, #65 of 1992 🔗

The Spirit of Lockdown ~ there’s one Ebeneezer would have APPROVED of!

359825 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to karenovirus, 7, #66 of 1992 🔗

I can’t see the point in this- how much fun would it be tearing to another country just to see more masks, closed shops etc?

359504 ▶ nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 102, #67 of 1992 🔗

Apparently restaurants /shops are opening up in Italy in defiance of these fascistic “rules” – time for massive public middle finger to the clown boris and his “two ronnies of doom”.

359512 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nickbowes, 24, #68 of 1992 🔗

They could have done it any time. They’ve preferred to dig their own graves.

359517 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 80, #69 of 1992 🔗

I’ve been trying! But it’s now got to the loony situation where the EHO are now threatening me with legal action for advertising my shop on a blackboard. I’m half tempted to ignore the warning and have my day in court.

359524 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 38, #70 of 1992 🔗

Kh, I don’t know where you get your boundless stores of energy and courage. When all this is over they should put up a statue to you. Maybe not in zombie SW, but in some sort of sceptics’ Garden of Honour.

359534 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 78, #71 of 1992 🔗

Thanks Annie. I am disgusted at the people of this town – especially the mean-spirited, nasty types who are trying to throw me under a bus right now. I know of no other businesses that are sceptical and I have been made an outcast by people I once considered friends. Funny, if we’re such a ‘danger’ why is it our elderly customers remain loyal.

I just can’t think about things too closely otherwise I would lose it and then end up being carted off. They did that with my mum and I owe it to her not to let them do it to me.

I was so angry yesterday that I did what we now call doing an ‘Annie’.

359573 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to kh1485, 30, #72 of 1992 🔗

And I bet none of your regulars have croaked it either due to COVID in all this time? What a fucking joke of a Pandemic this is?

Like Annie I don’t know how you do it, an inspiration!

359588 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JHUNTZ, 45, #73 of 1992 🔗

Only one, as far as I am aware, but not from COVID. She had just turned 100.

I suspect though that some will die prematurely because they have had their support systems (meeting with friends, exercise etc) summarily cut off.

359720 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 9, #74 of 1992 🔗

Yes, I’m sure you contributed to that century.

359691 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 23, #75 of 1992 🔗

You’re my hero!

As I’ve written here before, I am sure you are going to come out of this ok, bumpy though it might be at the moment. In time it will be known that you and your cafe stood out against this, and you will get the credit for it – your cafe will have a kudos and credibility that people naturally want to be associated with.

360099 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to TJN, 12, #76 of 1992 🔗

Very few of us if any, will come out of this okay, that’s not in their script. All that now matters is making sure that we do the right thing until the very end. Conforming with the pig dictator’s restrictions will not work as they really do want rid of all of us.

360378 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Rowan, 12, #77 of 1992 🔗

I remain confident that all will come all right in the end, although we’ll all have been disadvantaged to some degree by these events. As you say, the most important thing – win or lose- is to do the right thing to the end.

360471 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to TJN, 14, #78 of 1992 🔗

I would be happy to support any business that opened in defiance of this crap. I would also be happy to get physical with any covid marshalls who tried to man handle me too.

360524 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Boris Bullshit, 8, #79 of 1992 🔗

If any rebel restaurants open in our town in defiance of the lockdown I’d be having a meal out tonight!

359713 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 2, #80 of 1992 🔗

Postman’s Park perhaps? The Watts Memorial to Heroic Self-Sacrifice, worth a visit. Metaphorical self-sacrifice in this case of course!

http://www.wattsmemorial.org.uk/

359612 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to kh1485, 28, #81 of 1992 🔗

Please open a crowdfunding page in case of legal action. I will contribute.

359682 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to alw, 9, #82 of 1992 🔗

ditto

359853 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to alw, 6, #83 of 1992 🔗

Me too

360994 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Janette, 2, #84 of 1992 🔗

And me.

361255 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to alw, 1, #85 of 1992 🔗

And me.

359650 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 18, #86 of 1992 🔗

KBO, kh!!! You’ve been an inspiration and you have more balls than the major businesses put together.

359673 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kh1485, 10, #87 of 1992 🔗

If it even goes as far as court. Too many of our “public servants” are behaving like power crazed gauleiters.

359850 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 7, #88 of 1992 🔗

Go for it.

359669 ▶▶▶ Marg, replying to Annie, 14, #89 of 1992 🔗

I think the timing had to be right for customers to have the confidence to use the restaurants. I think if Wetherspoons and other multi National outlets get a plan it would encourage the independent ones to follow suit. In numbers not a lot could be done to stop them.

359685 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Marg, 15, #90 of 1992 🔗

Well, this independent is raring to go! I hope Tim Martin is reading this!

359708 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Marg, 6, #91 of 1992 🔗

I don’t see Tim risking losing his license. He already has financial backing to survive the lockdown due to this size. They will operate a risk averse policy.

359611 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to nickbowes, 9, #92 of 1992 🔗

Good for them – ie that they’ve managed to get up a “head of steam” sufficient that there’s enough of them to do this. It is difficult to decide to do something, have a lot of people say they are in agreement with you and, when push comes to shove and you turn round and look for the supporting troups = there they were gone, because they’d wimped out. So it’s good that there’s a large enough group of them to account for the wimps.

359505 ▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 41, #93 of 1992 🔗

The Nuremberg Code (1947)

Permissible Medical Experiments

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.

6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL No 7070 Volume 313: Page 1448,7 December 1996.

359506 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 17, #94 of 1992 🔗

Yep i’d say they’ve breached those ethics.

359513 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 20, #95 of 1992 🔗

Ah, but it’s not an experiment, it’s The Only Way To Save Mankind And Bozo’s Arse.
Well worth the trifling collateral damage.

359533 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 19, #96 of 1992 🔗

It’s never been done before, so the results are an unknown, in my book that’s an experiment ; -)

Of course if Boris suggests he knows the outcome then i’ve several other human rights violations to throw at him.

You know why they’ve been coy about cost/risk analysis don’t ya?

359554 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #97 of 1992 🔗

An experiment is a scientific procedure. It is not just doing stuff without knowing.

359636 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #98 of 1992 🔗

That’s not making Boris’s defence any stronger.

359688 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #99 of 1992 🔗

You know why they’ve been coy about cost/risk analysis don’t ya?

Either:

a) They’ve not done it

b) They’ve done it, but the result doesn’t fit the fascists’ narrative.

360976 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #100 of 1992 🔗

c) They’ve done it and daren’t tell us about the results!

359765 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Annie, 13, #101 of 1992 🔗

The only reason the government are so keen on these vaccines is because they see it as the only way to get themselves out of the massive pile of poo they themselves created. They know they are up the creak without a paddle.

360104 ▶▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 13, #102 of 1992 🔗

The vaccines and the especially the “health passport” back to “freedom” are the sweeties to coax the masses into accepting them. I just wish that all those I’ve spoken to, who think in that way, would think another way and realise that the joys of our previous life they think will be waiting for them, will be unable survive the economic slaughter, that the vaccine itself offers little immunity or protection from transmission, and all these restriction are going nowhere (as stated by the Two Ronnies of Doom) There is talk that they’ll continually want pump the thing into us twice yearly. This is all in the MSM but most people haven’t even absorbed any of this info, they don’t hear it, they have such cognitive dissonance now they only hear what they want to hear.

360218 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to HelenaHancart, 9, #103 of 1992 🔗

I wouldn’t worry about a “health passport”, this lot can’t even get a test and trace app to work, wasting £12 billion in the process. I doubt much will come of it. Politicians in general are actually quite thick. All of the covid strategy (including the vaccines) have been an epic fail.

360271 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 2, #104 of 1992 🔗

Would that mean obese people would not be allowed to fly too? High risk and all that?

361067 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #105 of 1992 🔗

That idea would never get off the ground.

361259 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Annie, #106 of 1992 🔗

Fat chance.

360500 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 5, #107 of 1992 🔗

I agree. As each day goes by I see it all falling apart, bit by tiny bit. I actually believe many have just switched off, lockdownista’s and sceptics alike. They’re following the rules as they see fit, interpreting them their way, fighting with those who disagree, doing the government’s dirty work for them. But generally the government’s threats have become so numerous, so hysterical, so desperate it seems that most people just don’t want to hear any more. It all becoming boring and old. Look at how many have revoked their TV licence in the last year.

360989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #108 of 1992 🔗

There are means to stop the biggest machines with the smallest grains of sand – provided one knows where to add them. A sort of Dave’s sand versus Goliath’s fascist machine. However, looking into the sky here, it is obvious that the same people that gave the world the plandemic are also fumigating us from above. It is insane, because nobody here looks up into the sky. Too busy doing what’s upping on their smarter than them phones.

360677 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 3, #109 of 1992 🔗

A 0.1% commission on £12 billion is £12 million. Cascade that through layers of middlemen and lots of people can do quite well out of this.

360269 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 19, #110 of 1992 🔗

Or as Peter Hitchins says constantly, the other option is to say, sorry! we fucked up, its not as severe as we were told and you most likely won’t die. Protect the vulnerable and all go back to normal. The Chuckle brothers have resigned and I have fired the communist party formerly known as SAGE. We have formed a new group called GUOTM (get us out this mess)
That would work. It would not placate the lockdown Karen’s but who cares about them, its your party wear a mask if you want to.

360470 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #111 of 1992 🔗

If our government had any honour they would do just that, apologise, admit mistakes and lift all the measures as they have all failed but they are so far in the shit they won’t as they are facing economic ruin and massive social problems of their own making.

360992 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, #112 of 1992 🔗

They control the official numbers, so no apologies would be necessary.
Just spend a couple of weeks telling us it’s ending spectacularly quickly and declare triumphant victory for “The Science”

Instead, they’re discrediting the LFT in favour of the +ve -generating PCR. Go figure.

They haven’t f*cked up.
This was never about a virus and it has SFA to do with saving the NHS’ arse.

360687 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #113 of 1992 🔗

The real target is NERVTAG. They provide ‘the science’ ©®(Pat Pnd) to SAGE. Remember Ferguson being caught trousers down (metaphorically) and being kicked off SAGE as a punishment? Well he is, and always has been, on NERVTAG, and is busy modelling away as normal. NERVTAG minutes show it is anticipating a Public Inquiry so members have been supplied with a ducoment regarding documentary evidence. The actual document isn’t public (as far as I am aware).

361263 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Spikedee1, #114 of 1992 🔗

They could even say the virus is now not as virulent so we can ease restrictions. Which us probably true, but it doesn’t need to be true for the government to use it as a ploy to get out of their mess.

359507 NorthumbrianNomad, 80, #115 of 1992 🔗

The Italian restaurant protest clearly shows that we are getting far too bogged down in detail. What matters, as the Ancien Régine disappears up its own backside trying to prove it can control nature, is the principle.

Freedom. Now.

359509 ▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 10, #116 of 1992 🔗

This is heartbreaking. Sad too her family didn’t seem to realise there is a higher moral law when it came to helping the poor woman.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/tributes-paid-loving-loyal-mum-23328818

359515 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #117 of 1992 🔗

And whose hands is this poor, poor girl’s blood on?

359666 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Annie, 1, #118 of 1992 🔗

Apart from the poor little lad, all of them!

359516 ▶ Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 155, #119 of 1992 🔗

Wonderful to see videos emerging from Italy following the #IoApro (#IOpen) movement which saw 50,000 restaurants open despite government restrictions. For those with Twitter, @robinmonotti has been providing the updates. My favourite clip was of police being heckled in a restaurant by customers, the translation of their fury along the lines of “GET OUT! We pay your wages! You work for us! GET OUT!!”

This is a truly fantastic development by all accounts, a number of the restaurants looked very well attended, showing that this kind of mass civil disobedience is winning hearts and minds across the continent. Clearly our disgraceful mainstream media would never dare to cover such a dangerous movement, but I feel that they may have no choice as this unique dissent sweeps across Europe.

The virus of non-compliance is more terrifying to the government than any strain of Covid-19. Its spread cannot be modelled. It can engulf whole cities in days. It can only be suppressed by brutal authoritarianism, which will light the touch paper for civil unrest.

There will be many sleepless nights in Westminster over the coming weeks.

359518 ▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to Scotty87, 70, #120 of 1992 🔗

Italy led Europe into this lock down mess. Our fault that we followed though.

Italy leads us out.

I love Italians.

359527 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Stephensceptic, 55, #121 of 1992 🔗

Let’s all toast them in a large glass of Italian wine, or grappa, or a plate of pasta, or whatever.
Wales has loads of families of Italian origin, many of them working in catering etc. It would be wonderful if they could follow the example of their original home country, where I think most of them still have close ties.

359616 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 39, #122 of 1992 🔗

Hear, hear!

“I popoli ben governati e contenti non insorgono. Le insurrezioni, le rivoluzioni, sono la risorsa degli oppressi e degli schiavi e chi le fa nascere sono i tiranni.” Giuseppe Garibaldi

(“Well-governed, contented people do not rise up. Insurrections and revolutions are the resource of the oppressed and of slaves, and those who give birth to them are TYRANTS.”)

359701 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Annie, 21, #123 of 1992 🔗

Ironically the parents and grandparents of most Italian-British people I know came here in the 1920’s, fleeing fascism.

359707 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 14, #124 of 1992 🔗

I lived in Scotland and come across loads of people of Italian ancestry. They tend to be represented in hospitality and catering too.

Many of them ironically were descended from those whose final destination was America but they ran out of funds to continue their journey so instead they settled in the UK.

361217 ▶▶▶▶▶ Colin, replying to Bart Simpson, #125 of 1992 🔗

Valvona. Crolla. Contini. Codona….They made their mark!

360996 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Annie, 2, #126 of 1992 🔗

Espresso with a shot Amaretto will do nicely, too.

360148 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Stephensceptic, 5, #127 of 1992 🔗

The Italians et al just copied the original lockdown gangstas – the CCP. Chilling.

360390 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 13, #128 of 1992 🔗

a Xi op?

359519 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Scotty87, 50, #129 of 1992 🔗

There will be many sleepless nights in Westminster over the coming weeks.

That’s the least they deserve.

359586 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Scotty87, 13, #130 of 1992 🔗

Interesting too, that Cuomo is finally beginning to u turn. Have the mob been flexing their muscles?

359606 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to PoshPanic, 17, #131 of 1992 🔗

And in California I believe. Hopefully the virus of opening up everything again will spread fast.

359703 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to alw, 18, #132 of 1992 🔗

The ‘rona will magically disappear after 20th January. All massively hyped with crazy lockdowns by Democrat governors hoping to gain favour with hierarchy in order to remove Bad Orange Man.

359943 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Nigel Sherratt, -2, #133 of 1992 🔗

In your dreams.

359762 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #134 of 1992 🔗

Nope, its standard SJW stuff, remember when Drumpf was wascist for stopping flights from China and Cuomo was hugging Chinese?
Now they think Drumpf is gone, they can change their tune.

360290 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to PoshPanic, 24, #135 of 1992 🔗

I think its because all New York businesses are moving to Florid. Same in Cali everyone is leaving. Unfortunately not an option for us. The Governor of Florida has been awesome. Took the GBD advice and just opened up. HERO!

361498 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to PoshPanic, -1, #136 of 1992 🔗

No. This whole virus insanity was purely to get any head of state out that wasn’t on board with the NWO. Like Trump for instance. Now that we’re a few days away from having globalist puppet Biden installed through the massive election fraud, the virus is no longer relevant it’s accomplished what it was intended for

359644 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Scotty87, 4, #137 of 1992 🔗

Italian restaurant in full swing here:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1350245872920047617

359657 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basileus, 72, #138 of 1992 🔗

I’m posting about this on gab, trying to get some traction for something similar in this country:

When is the UK hospitality industry (of which I am part) going to follow our Italian counterparts. Yesterday I received a threat of legal action from the local council for advertising my business on a blackboard outside my shop. I am pretty certain that my grandfather did not fight in a world war for his granddaughter to be persecuted in this way.

359711 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kh1485, 16, #139 of 1992 🔗

I’ve been tweeting the Federation of Small Businesses and British Chambers of Commerce for weeks concerning something similar. Silence from them.

359835 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #140 of 1992 🔗

That’s disappointing

359968 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #141 of 1992 🔗

I’ll retweet the posting of the Italian restaurant to them. Let’s all do it and shame them.

360255 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #142 of 1992 🔗

They’re just like every other body claiming to be there for businesses. Like my old friends, the Business ‘Improvement’ District bods, totally useless.

360303 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #143 of 1992 🔗

So true, like all bodies like this when things are going great we go along happily. When you are needed to represent all businesses and make a stand you are pathetic. If there was a yearly amount I had to pay to keep in thus confederation, I would be cancelling this right now.

359977 ▶▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to kh1485, 3, #144 of 1992 🔗

What exactly is the basis of the local council’s threatened action?

360240 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to dhpaul, 12, #145 of 1992 🔗

I have been accused of encouraging consumption of food and drinks on the benches in the park just beyond our business premises (a part that we do not normally use so, in our eyes, permitted).

360388 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to kh1485, 13, #146 of 1992 🔗

I’m not a lawyer but can’t see how you have any responsibility for where your customers consume items bought on your premises for takeaway.

360582 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to kh1485, 15, #147 of 1992 🔗

I don’t see how an assumption of ‘encouraging’ has any basis in law, its like they are reading the guidance and in their heads that’s law. You’d best ask for everything in writing from them any time they accuse you of something.
I had them call my shop during first lockdown and accuse me of being open. There evidence was I answered the phone! They made many silent calls from mobile numbers. I have an IP phone which forwards to my mobile . I told her (I was incandescent by this point) I was at home and there are modern telecoms that permit such things. I properly informed her that everything is on CCTV and anyone making accusations better have some proper evidence as I had all the evidence I need. She asked my if I could forward her the video by email! When I told her it was several hundred gigabytes, she didnt really seem to understand that email is not the way to do this. I asked her who had informed on us, it seems it might have been the physio around the corner(who was permitted to open they offer the same treatments as us but there are NHS affiliated), I think our business has significantly impacted hers, but she never said who but said it was a nearby competitor.
The EHO girl was rude, arrogant and full of herself. I gave it all back to her in the same manner as she approached me.
If they come again, film it with audio and make sure they write to you confirming their side and you do the same to them.
Dont put up with their shit.

360852 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to iansn, 13, #148 of 1992 🔗

Thanks very much for this. I am sure we are being targeted because we do not *believe*. Not sure whether the repeated snitching is coming from a competitor or from just some nasty piece of work with too much time on their hands.

361225 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to kh1485, 4, #149 of 1992 🔗

Keep doing what you are doing, if you are in any breach of routine restaurant stuff be careful, but if its just covid shit tell them to fuck off. Record it so you can show it is bs from jobsworths. They wont be happy if you record it and hopefully they’ll see you are not taking it and then fuck right off.
Keep the faith KH you are doing a great job.

360699 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to kh1485, 21, #150 of 1992 🔗

I have been walking into town (permitted exercise), buying a coffee and bun, then sitting on benches in the cathedral gounds (permitted open space) then continuing the walk.. So have many others. There were about 12 large benches. This week, they all been been removed by cathedral jobsworths. Everyone I spoke to caught out by the removal regarded it as a totally pathetic action.

361039 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ken Garoo, 6, #151 of 1992 🔗

Disgraceful! Thinking of disabled, infirm, pregnant, etc, is that discriminatory?

359833 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Basileus, 7, #152 of 1992 🔗

Thanks for posting that. It gives me great hope. We need to do this in England.

359890 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Basileus, 7, #153 of 1992 🔗

great to see people having a good night out with food and friends!!
Go Italy!!!!

359653 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Scotty87, 24, #154 of 1992 🔗

Should we all contact Wetherspoons and ask them to lead the charge in the UK?

359971 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Basileus, 7, #155 of 1992 🔗

Good idea. I’m making another pot of coffee then I’ll contact everyone i can on twitter.

360006 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Basileus, 3, #156 of 1992 🔗

Anyone who has an alcohol license would lose it so not worth it.

359695 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Scotty87, 4, #157 of 1992 🔗

This one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm8_RvQdBIs

359715 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 20, #158 of 1992 🔗

Westminster is probably hoping that our hospitality industry – bankrupt, beaten and cowed would not fight back.

I wouldn’t bet on that if I were them.

Bullied, beaten and cowed people will break at some point and when they do they will realise they have nothing to lose by fighting back.

359773 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Scotty87, 10, #159 of 1992 🔗

Go Italy! Let rebellion commence.

359829 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Scotty87, 12, #160 of 1992 🔗

“The virus of non-compliance…”

I like that! The Italian restaurant movement is the most encouraging news I’ve seen recently…

360455 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Scotty87, #161 of 1992 🔗

360663 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Scotty87, 14, #162 of 1992 🔗

The whole lockdown etc is just one big bluff. All it needs to blow the pack of cardsd away if for people to get together and say enough is enough.

We don’t kill grannies, vaccines do.

360738 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Ken Garoo, 10, #163 of 1992 🔗

Absolutely, just reopen everything and break the lockdown with force of numbers. That looks like what is starting to happen on the continent. If everyone did it there is nothing the government can do.

360955 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 9, #164 of 1992 🔗

We know that even Prof Pantsdown was taken aback by the craven compliance that characterised the first lockdown. They knew then, and they know now, that if there is mass resistance there will be nothing they can do about it. Hence the current reliance on the Mutant Terror Virus(es). Gotta keep the zombies scared.

359520 ▶ awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 3, #165 of 1992 🔗

Really guys?

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/01/15/deputy-chief-medical-officer-predicts-regular-vaccines-brits-choosing-mask-forever/

359523 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to awildgoose, 34, #166 of 1992 🔗

I do think there are a lot of people who are now wedded to the idea of wearing a mask and will not feel safe without one. But I also notice that many, men especially are very conscious that masks are a bit effete and not macho and if one person takes their mask off they all will. If we ever get to that stage it will be interesting to see how it goes.

359529 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 28, #167 of 1992 🔗

I have a nasty feeling that churchgoers, for a start, will be welded, rather than wedded, to their masks, meaning that I shall never be able to go to church ever again.
And how many zombies have been so imbued with the idea that Other People Are Death that they will never again attend any sort of collective event?

359577 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 9, #168 of 1992 🔗

Two headlines in todays Local Live

1. Covid cases reducing in all areas of the Region
2. Cathedral closes its doors to worshippers.

359668 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 7, #169 of 1992 🔗

Most clergy are essentially civil servants – genuine religious believers are more likely to think even a more deadly virus than Covid is nothing as compared to eternity.
Cowardice is generally accounted a sin, even if they attempt to dress it up as concern not to spread the virus to others.

359686 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #170 of 1992 🔗

Things are not always as they seem.

A friend told me he was frustrated at the platitudes being repeatedly voiced at his church prayer meeting. He decided to read out a poem which told about the suffering caused by lockdown. Some people were in tears.

The vicar subsequently contacted him to thank him, but he also explained that his son had made two recent suicide attempts.

Sometimes the vicar is the loneliest man in the parish.

359724 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basileus, 10, #171 of 1992 🔗

Very sorry to hear about that vicar and his son. That’s the sort of incident that makes me angry.

The CoE hierarchy has betrayed its flock and surely those on the ground (vicars, vergers) know this.

If they do they should fight back. If they don’t then they’re complicit in this betrayal.

359630 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, 5, #172 of 1992 🔗

Our vicar remarked last week it saddened her not to see her congregation’s faces. She is fine with me and another lady having exemptions.

359840 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Annie, 3, #173 of 1992 🔗

You would have thought that if their god wanted them to wear masks, it would have been mandated in their religious book.

360507 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #174 of 1992 🔗

Fig leaves represent covering over a sense of self-lack conflict and shame. God can be represented to those who don’t think in such terms as nakedness to an intimacy of being. Nothing added, nothing taken away. But to a masking mind God is distanced, locked down and masked.
There is no truth in the masking mind of fig-leaf thinking – but what we choose to give.

The adage of ‘Give unto Caesar what is due unto Caesar and give unto God what is due unto God’ is applicable to a fundamental choice that did not exist until the choice for masking or hiding from God, remade all things in our own image.

What is not apparent in mythic representation is the terror that arose from self-hatred and shame. If God mandated coercively, there would be no free will. Hence under a false god of tyranny under fear and deceit free will is denied and replaced by ‘granted freedoms’ for compliance to arbitrary and shifting ‘rules’ or ‘moral guidances’.

Fear inherently misinterprets everything, including Scriptures of true teachings, insights and inspired thought and endeavour. Fear cannot be separated from self-doubt and division. The attempt to become certain by acting as if to earn or become worthy propagates the original error of self-judgement given priority over God as your very being. Here is the ‘private mind’. Who can reach the minds of the self-convicted?

The idea of the Holy Spirit is of a gift of discernment within Life and not set over and apart as ‘my thinking’ under official authoritative judgements or identity set in reaction to any externalised authority.

Choosing one is to let the other go. Trying to choose both results in conflicts that effectively deny awareness of any real choice. Resting and releasing the mind of conflict is actively giving faith to Life or being instead of to our own fears and thinking. Making the conditions in which love can register in our awareness is not ‘creating love’ nor the guidance and direction as to how the movement of being extends, expresses or simply shines as a quality of unselfconscious presence.

A mechanical mind sees a mechanical world – and thinks that to understand is to align in prediction and control. But what you truly understand you love and appreciate the gift of (being one with).
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/mutating-variants-in-fear-of-threat.html

360416 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Annie, 3, #175 of 1992 🔗

Masking in virtue is a theme for self-awareness.
The faking of love in love’s name has run its course.
Jesus speaks to our condition – not to the ‘mask’ of a self and world seeking to save itself from fear.
Though is seems to be a Satanic or blind persecution, it – as with Job or Jesus – serves a higher purpose unknowing.
Instead of ‘zombies’ try, the poor who are dispossessed even by the little they have.

359567 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #176 of 1992 🔗

I am sorry masks will come off the moment they retreat and those left will be slagged rotten. They are a fucking joke and people will be reminded as much if the government boot is ever relinuished.

359671 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #177 of 1992 🔗

I agree. The moment they loosen up, most people will stop wearing those things.

359730 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Waldorf, 7, #178 of 1992 🔗

And those who carry on wearing them will be ridiculed and taken the piss of.

359789 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #179 of 1992 🔗

I take the piss out of people wearing them anyway. They look utterly stupid, especially in the cold rainy weather!

359910 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 6, #180 of 1992 🔗

Especially those men wearing muzzles with “ditsy” and “cute” fabrics. They look like a maroon.

360638 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #181 of 1992 🔗

Not everyone objects to muzzles

Apologies for ridiculous url.

360519 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #182 of 1992 🔗

I think it won’t be long before people realise that mask-wearing is actually doing potential damage to their health. Many are being told by their doctors to not wear them because they’ve caused bacterial infections, thrush, skin and dental problems, not to mention aggravating conditions like Asthma and COPD. I see people in filthy, wet face naps, in the pouring rain, breathing in constantly all the mould spores, bacteria, pollution and also, the minute particles from their mask fabric. Nearly all the mask wearers I know have been getting colds (and sending off or going for tests, and surprise, surprise, testing positive!)

360537 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #183 of 1992 🔗

Totally agree, those masks are dangerous.

360642 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 6, #184 of 1992 🔗

Masks are perfectly harmless

except when they are not.

360747 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Ken Garoo, #185 of 1992 🔗

The camera doesn’t lie

361213 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Ken Garoo, #186 of 1992 🔗

You are being disingenuous here. Medics wear masks that are much more tightly fitted and for longer durations than someone just doing their shopping. These sorts of injuries are to be expected but they are not injuries that you will see amongst non-medics.

361024 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to HelenaHancart, 3, #187 of 1992 🔗

One should not discount that this is absolutely intentional. Mandatory masks to ruin the health of those wearing it. My problem here is that there are no exemptions here. Just like there are no disabled people. As a foreigner, I am treated with contempt in the first place. The largest supermarket has armed guards enforcing masks at the entrance. Observing elderly people wearing their face diapers at 30°C while riding their bike is an image to endure.

359721 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to awildgoose, 11, #188 of 1992 🔗

Many may well choose to continue to wear a mask, and that is their choice. But any who try to moralise to the rest of us, will need regular reminders that slaves can only speak to the free after being granted permission.

359913 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #189 of 1992 🔗

Anyone who still tries to lecture me after this shit show is over will feel the force of my tongue or heaven forbid my fist.

360227 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #190 of 1992 🔗

I think once this is over the country will just go into a covid mass denial just like in post war Germany over the Nazis.

359521 ▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Crimson Avenger, 51, #191 of 1992 🔗

This has gone on long enough and it’s just getting more and more absurd.

359526 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Crimson Avenger, 51, #192 of 1992 🔗

It is also getting more nasty. It has now gone on so long and many have invested so much of their credibility in this hoo-haa that they now have too much to loose to give up now and so they are doing all they can to keep the show on the road.
The news this morning was wittering on about hospital ICU units being full of young people in their 30s and 40s seriously ill with covid and fighting for their lives. No mention of numbers, details, data, just yet more anecdotal stuff to keep the scare stories moving along.

359665 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #193 of 1992 🔗

Yes, it’s nastier. But the essential dynamic of the regime digging deeper in its hole in the hope of getting to Australia, saving face at all costs, has not changed in nine months. It’s quite boring, and I don’t see the force that will move it on.

359796 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #194 of 1992 🔗

I wonder how many of those young people are in ICUs with stuff like bronchial pneumonia through non stop mask wearing?

359891 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Crimson Avenger, 8, #195 of 1992 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9153427/Boy-12-took-life-bedroom-hours-telling-mother-loved-her.html#article-9153427

People who support these measures, should be shown stories if the victims like this poor boy, who’ve been murdered, by this tyranny

359522 ▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 9, #196 of 1992 🔗

Yesterday Jeremy Vine was worrying about a reported significant decline in the population of London which is apparently a bit of a mystery.

Al Jazeera has the answer.

So on top of the millions now on the dole we can add another million people who have lost their jobs and returned home abroad.
Some may think this a good thing, I do not since I recall a Sidmouth hotel manager telling me twenty years ago that the hospitality industry would be f*cked without foreign workers.

359525 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 26, #197 of 1992 🔗

Why are these people so reliably astonished by the bleeding obvious? Who in the right minds would stay in London now unless they had to?

Is this goldfish-like neurological condition the reason why they believe everything the government tells them?

359530 ▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 23, #198 of 1992 🔗

What hospitality industry?

359664 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 5, #199 of 1992 🔗

A possible by-product of Brexit?

359528 ▶ nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 33, #200 of 1992 🔗

Interesting the Unherd article, apart from the nonsense about wearing face muzzles of course.

Clearly this information hasn’t reached Billy Whitty, who I believe was back to warning of the danger of collecting the CCP Virus off surfaces last night. It was Billy’s lies in his attempts to prolong the misery and damage of the first lockdown that made me a sceptic.

In my office persuading the staff this surface spread was bogus and regular getting windows open was far more important took a bit of work but seemed obvious. The clear failings of people trained in the NHS to see and promote this must be one of the main reasons the UK CCP Virus performance is so dire and spread in NHS settings is so rife.

Does everybody there slavishly follow the words of Billy Whitty, if so we are doomed, even to the layman the guy is full of deception.

What I would like to see is more emphasis on how little the risk is of virus contagion outside, even possibly in crowds (BLM protests). I feel maybe such study would show the folly of Billy’s stay indoors message.

That we haven’t a single senior politician who has the intellectual confidence to challenge Billy and his boys and girls, leaves us in a bad state. Billy Whitty needs sacking but Bunter seems powerless to do it.

359532 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nottingham69, 53, #201 of 1992 🔗

You must open your windows to let in the life-saving fresh air, but you mustn’t go outside because it’s dangerous.

359549 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to nottingham69, 22, #202 of 1992 🔗

I saw some weird posts on Twitter, one claiming they caught covid on a woodland walk, another during a 45-minute chat in a field 6 foot apart on a windy day! Personally, I trust fresh air for keeping bugs at bay as my parents were told that when I was a sickly child. I believe good ventilation in shops and hospitals and workplaces would do way more good than the current measures.

360323 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #203 of 1992 🔗

Amazing, you have been indoors all day and you can identify the exact moment you caught it. Does it come up on your fitbit as you were outside? Jesus people are fucking stupid just to get a few clicks on twitter!

359621 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to nottingham69, 1, #204 of 1992 🔗

“Regularly getting the windows open” would be a problem to a lot of us. I know I’ve missed out on quite a lot of social events I would have otherwise attended since Lockdown first started – because I was worried that some rule-abider/fearful would open the windows even if it was too cold to do so. Hence I’d land up being cold because of that person – so I avoided going altogether because “there’s always one…..” and I would have certainly fallen out with them because of them not caring about me freezing. That “one” has been responsible for a lot of my missing social life (and I live on my own…so I need it).

361074 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ElizaP, #205 of 1992 🔗

I don’t follow your logic here, or is this satirical?
Do you have Reynaud’s syndrome?
If not, is there a good reason why you can’t just take an extra layer, just in case? I think it unreasonable to blame the fresh-air freaks for your potential discomfort.
Rather precious!

359531 ▶ danny, replying to danny, 27, #206 of 1992 🔗

The UK seems to mixed their traditional “mustn’t grumble” stoicism (what can you do? Just accept all this) with abject terror and self interest (no matter how small the risk or the cost to lives, nobody is coming near me).
Hard to see an Italian style collective pushback or French style mass protest here. Even the US are more motivated in terms of civil liberties than the UK.
I think we will be locking down, banning family visits and crippling the economy, in masks, long after the rest of the world has called it quits.

359535 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to danny, 21, #207 of 1992 🔗

Are the mask wearers out for a walk in the countryside showing super scientific recognition that the virus is spread on the air and can travel for miles?

If this is the case, how come they haven’t done the maths and worked out that their mask is about as much as a deterrant to a virus as chicken wire to a mosquito?

359602 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Puddleglum, 9, #208 of 1992 🔗

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/pdf/jhyg00082-0026.pdf&nbsp ;
An outbreak of common colds at an Antarctic base after seventeen weeks of complete isolation

361076 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrew K, 2, #209 of 1992 🔗

17 weeks of isolation and processed food would make the most robust immune system wobble. The bugs are always there, it’s just whether you’re fit enough to deal with them, or not.

359538 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to danny, 32, #210 of 1992 🔗

I think it’s more “can’t be bothered”. Until it hurts them in the wallet, they will do nothing.

I was mulling this over earlier. If I suddenly became fabulously wealthy, would I just slink away with my dosh and give up resisting all this. And I thought, no, I wouldn’t. I’m not just saying this, I really wouldn’t. This is why those who are well-cushioned financially against all this and who believe they have no reason to kick back, get the most opprobrium from me.

359550 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to kh1485, 10, #211 of 1992 🔗

The pain is working its way up. It’ll get there.
Just hard to predict when, but it’ll get there.

359553 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stewart, 15, #212 of 1992 🔗

I know. But what’s funny is that they don’t … yet. They think the pain is just for people like me and that’s why I despise them.

359564 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 9, #213 of 1992 🔗

The lockdown restrictions specifically do not apply to the sky or the UK’s territorial waters. So if one has one’s own boat or plane, one can ignore all the restrictions.

359572 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to kh1485, 24, #214 of 1992 🔗

If it is any consolation, I share your despise of the sanctimonious, self-righteous lockdown freaks who lecture about people not following the rules and calling for everyone to just comply so “we can get past this”.

They are so spectacularly up their own well covered arses they don’t for minute consider the possibility that the virus is unsuppressable.

They are mental midgets who think that the solution to the problem is obedience.

359649 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marg, replying to stewart, 14, #215 of 1992 🔗

Worse are the ones that berate the public, yet believe the rules don’t apply to them, Piers Morgan, Dr Shilary to name but 2.

359822 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 6, #216 of 1992 🔗

Agree. And when this is over, they will try to gloss over their complicity in this shit show and try to pretend nothing happened. Like school bullies who try to reach out on anti-social media or during school reunions.

It will be our scared duty to remind them forever of their part in this. They should never be allowed to get away in their part of inflicting misery on other people in the name of “safety”

360243 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #217 of 1992 🔗

Watch mass deleting of pro lockdown and mask passages on social media followed by mass denial.

359623 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to stewart, 5, #218 of 1992 🔗

We all have to make sure that we keep calling out those who think they are in positions of power etc every time we spot hypocrisy on their part. It’s not one rule for them and another for us.

359797 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 10, #219 of 1992 🔗

The well cushioned will follow suit at some point. There’s no way they can escape the looming economic Armageddon.

And there’s also the wake up call when they or hubby/wifey get sick like with cancer, they’re put back at number 800,000 in the queue and their beloved NHS won’t see to them until 2023!

359808 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to danny, 4, #220 of 1992 🔗

I think economic factors will soon kick them out of their slumber.

360393 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to danny, 5, #221 of 1992 🔗

I think its because there is nowhere where I can join the cause to show my disagreement. In brexit you had two sides with clearly defined views. Marches were arranged, t-shirts sold, views expressed and debated in the msm. But what do we have. None of my friends/family believe this government bullshit. I only know of one couple who are believers. BUT! I don’t see any debate. The rallying points have all been shut down, there is only one point of view expressed on msm. Doctors and nurses are silenced. The news can say hospital full of young people and nobody can challenge this. Covid Karen’s rule the put your fucking mask on debate. There are no two opinion debates on the bbc or gmb only finger wagging lectures on following the government narrative. You cannot push back against the tide, you can build a wall to stop the tide but you cannot do this alone. If it wasn’t for this site allowing me to air my views I don’t know where I would be. So thanks to all of you for helping me stay sane. I wrote a song about depression called the Dark a few years ago, the last verse is:

“Only one way out this plight,
To take a leap of faith tonight,
The wind is roaring past my ears,
I know the pain will end my tears”

359536 Cecil B, 30, #222 of 1992 🔗

The Rapists Dad and Sadist in Chief of Wales has introduced new shopping laws

The old and sick will now be required to stand in lines outside shops for hours on end before they can collect their rations

Good thing it’s not January

The numbers for respiratory illness must be kept up at all costs if the May elections are to be cancelled

359537 ▶ sophie123, replying to sophie123, 66, #223 of 1992 🔗

Go Switzerland! Vote down this lockdown nonsense!

i am interviewing for a job there this week. If I get it, I ain’t never coming back to this shit show.

359543 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to sophie123, 6, #224 of 1992 🔗

Is it a fair election though if one side of the argument has been free access to use psyops on the electorate for the past year? Maybe hasn’t happened in Switzerland but I know it has in some countries.

359552 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to sophie123, 5, #225 of 1992 🔗

lucky you. anyone who has any chance to get out should definitely take it. trouble is, there aren’t that many places to go

359939 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to JaneHarry, #226 of 1992 🔗

359563 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to sophie123, 3, #227 of 1992 🔗

What’s the job if you don’t mind me asking? I’m already looking for any avenues out of here.

359827 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to sophie123, 1, #228 of 1992 🔗

Good luck with the job interview!!!

360400 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to sophie123, 1, #229 of 1992 🔗

Good luck. Hope it goes G R E A T!

359539 ▶ danny, replying to danny, 78, #230 of 1992 🔗

What I read from the latest news conference last night is that they know the public is not with them this time. Compare demand for school places in April then now, traffic, shops deeming themselves “essential”, just general footfall in parks etc. The MSM is full everyday of abuses by the police and overreach. No clapping for the NHS, no heartwarming stories of taking up hobbies and “all in it together”. Even Joe Wicks has started farting on screen during his feel good chinese state style daily exercises.
Point is, no matter how exasperated we feel, we must recognise the difference this time around. And like a teacher with no power over an increasingly rowdy class, Boris has seen everyone getting out of their chairs and grandly declared “ok kids, I’ve decided that you can get out of your chairs now, so up you get.”

359551 ▶▶ stewart, replying to danny, 33, #231 of 1992 🔗

I agree. Regimes becoming more abusive, draconian and unreasonable are a sign of revolt, not of compliance.

359562 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to danny, 27, #232 of 1992 🔗

Yes, and the unrest will only grow stronger as we move into spring, better weather, the over 70s jabbed, and still people are not allowed to see grandma or go to the pub. However, I fear that what will become a deafening plea to open up will be ignored, barring some minor concessions. Tier 2 all year for most of us from April onwards.

You’re right, though. Many people I know at work who have been ultra-compliant or unquestioning are reaching the limits of endurance. For all that Johnson has erred in so many ways, I do sense that even though SAGE (plus Hancock and Gove) will have been begging him to go further (curfews, outdoor masking and cutting the “rule of two” for exercise would have been the obvious things) he recognises that going further is going to cut no ice with the weary public.

359596 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to danny, 30, #233 of 1992 🔗

I have a feeling this will all break down in the next month or two. For example, now there is a £7000 quid fine for enforcing mask wearing on those who deem themselves exempt. It may not be a case in law, but it can quickly become one in the public conscious.

This sets the flood gates for compensation claims for other things such as PCR testing and mask wearing ailments.

I feel sorry for medical staff in that wearing a mask in a hospital can be seen to be within the bounds of infection control. Even though I disagree with its efficacy and think its virtue signalling by management. In shops and other places though, it’s plain daft.

359637 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mhcp, 13, #234 of 1992 🔗

https://disabilityrights.org.uk/first-face-mask-discrimination-case-nets-7-000

359820 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #235 of 1992 🔗

Good, the coming lawsuits are going to cripple the government.

359857 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mhcp, 17, #236 of 1992 🔗

Agree. The fact that supermarkets after being challenged by fellow sceptics here and those of Twitter have been backpedalling shows they haven’t got a leg to stand on and have been thrown under the bus by the government.

As that Disability Rights press release has stated “no mask no entry” is akin to displaying a sign saying “no blacks” or “no gays.” Imagine the outcry if that was the case.

359897 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #237 of 1992 🔗

From our local paper (happened even before Morrisons tightened their rules):
https://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/19011694.morrisons-bracknell-disabled-man-exempt-wearing-face-mask-kicked-store/

“However the guard reportedly dismissed this and said the gov.uk website was ‘fake news’.”

Article fairly neutral but the solitary comment shows the mentality of the herd.

359849 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to danny, 18, #238 of 1992 🔗

The cracks are becoming bigger and people are getting fed up.

Whilst I was lucky to have survived hanging on to my job, I realise that others are not so fortunate and the longer this goes on, we’ll hear more about job losses and bankruptcies. Of course keeping my job is a Pyrrhic victory as we’re still shut, the best way is to open up without restrictions but my workplace can’t afford to break ranks.

The likes of Mexico, Italy, Poland and now Switzerland are showing what happens when the public has had enough. As I said here on New Year’s Day, things are going to get ugly and will get even uglier as the weeks go by. I do foresee either mass civil disobedience or rioting at some point.

359935 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #239 of 1992 🔗

Congrats on retaining your job. You mentioned before that your colleagues were all for the lockdowns etc – do you know if this opinion/mood has changed now that reality has hit some and will be redundant?

359540 ▶ mhcp, replying to mhcp, 32, #240 of 1992 🔗

On Toby’s spat with Ipso: saying that the science changes every day on viruses is horseshit. It changes extremely slowly. What you are seeing are hypotheses being thrown out and the media latching onto these. No random controlled tests, or even good empirical studies.. Just models and correlations, what-ifs and the Precautionary Principle.

Toby was correct about T-cell immunity as this has been basic understanding for decades at least. He’s still correct today. They are the ones who have to provide evidence for their claims not the other way round.

What we are seeing is reporting and measurement being fiddled to suit an agenda. The dumb thing is that it’s obvious to anyone who cares to look. And it’s glaring obvious that any of these stupid measures have any effect whatsoever in the grand scheme of things.

Another thing is the section about liabilty is spot on. Everytime you brake in a car it has the potential to cause an accident somewhere in the traffic chain. Do we make people liable for this now?

Also saying A can transfer asymptomatically is again horseshit. This has never been the case nor has it been what the models use either. This is like the second hand smoke argument.

359546 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to mhcp, 23, #241 of 1992 🔗

I really don’t get it: so Toby Young got some science wrong, well so what? he’s not a scientist, if people choose to take him as an authority on science that’s their problem. In the free market place of ideas, anyone should be able to pontificate on whatever subject they choose, and the principle of ‘caveat emptor’ should govern who you choose to listen to. It seems like just an excuse to censor and censure any resistance to the relentless propaganda which is holding up this monumental hoax

359743 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #242 of 1992 🔗

I agree fully with @mhcp’s first sentence. I still fail to see what science Toby did get wrong. Toby put forward the longstanding scientific arguments about the characteristics of (all) viruses which were accepted by most mainstream scientists in that field, within the parameters of normal scientific research and debate.

It is the scientists leading the recent change of interpretation of viral ‘behaviour’ with regard to SARS CoV2, and who are thereby challenging mainstream science, who should be regarded as being outside the box and asked to explain the radical scientific interpretations that they are applying.

361438 ▶▶ Martin Sewell, replying to mhcp, #243 of 1992 🔗

Technically, the herd immunity threshold is reached when, if the population had zero infections and a small number of infections were introduced, zero infections is a stable equilibrium. By definition, at the peak of the epidemic curve, the effective reproduction number passed through 1.0, implying that the number of infections was shrinking. One could argue that it is possible that the herd immunity threshold was reached at the peak of the epidemic curve, but was not sufficient to prevent COVID-19 from transitioning into an endemic seasonal virus.

359541 ▶ stewart, replying to stewart, 34, #244 of 1992 🔗

The Chinese are just trolling us with their hazmat suited students.

They’ve set it up and released the footage to see if the crazy Europeans and Americans will copy this stunt too.

Expect Chinese companies offering mass production of hazmat suits for schools…

And the way the general population are acting, in a state of fevered panic, they might just go for it.

Anything is possible at this point.

359760 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to stewart, 8, #245 of 1992 🔗

My local fish and chip shop will be only too willing to dtich the “No mask ? No food” for “No hazmat suit? No Food”.
The nearby sandwich shop will have a sanctimonious poster with “Why I wear a hazmat suit”,
Both on the boycott forever list.

360165 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to stewart, 3, #246 of 1992 🔗

Yep, all the nonsense originates from the CCP …

359542 Crystal Decanter, 9, #247 of 1992 🔗

EYEWITNESS REPORT – NURSE EXPLAINS THE CORRUPTION TAKING PLACE IN HER HOSPITAL
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CcFNETlslAyW/

359544 ▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #248 of 1992 🔗

‘As logically it must: pile enough men over the top and in the end numbers win.’

That was the German method and their offensive of 1918 very nearly succeeded.

But they were held and then, at the Battle of Amiens, the new wonder weapon, the Tank, finally deployed, as it should always have been, ‘en masse’, achieved a significant breakthrough on a narrow front at a propitious area of weakness (perfected during the Second World War as ‘Blitzkrieg’ by the German Army, all arms battlegroups combined with close air support, Divisional Commanders well forward).

And the rest is history. The Tank was one of Churchill’s most brilliant interventions, created, as it was, by Admiralty funding signed off by Churchill as First Lord of the Admiralty.

The mass procurement of vaccines could be construed as the present Prime Minister’s ‘Tank’ moment but Churchill’s First World War record is better remembered for Gallipoli, the disaster of the Dardanelles. The thousands of care home deaths April/May 2020 should most certainly cast a similar pall on the reputations of the key government protagonists when the history books are written.

359556 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #249 of 1992 🔗

Nah, the vaccines are going to be a gigantic bust as far as stopping PCR detected infections. (Fantastic for the big pharma as corona vaccines are set to become a second seasonal flu jab).

The WWI analogies are spot on as far as the madness of the strategists goes. But that’s as far as the analogy will hold, I think. There are no closely matched rivals here. Every country is Germany on this one and will eventually drop from economic, mental and moral exhaustion.

Impossible to predict when though. Could be a while.

359658 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to stewart, #250 of 1992 🔗

The Germans were exhausted, no question:

‘Many were Wurtembergers, and these for the most part appeared to be quite fit and sturdy, but if you looked at them closely you could see the effects of long, systematic underfeeding.’

But they still had to be beaten on the ground, so nearly having struck the victorious final blow themselves in their well planned offensive of 21 March 1918.

And beaten in battle they were, by the Tank:

‘When the horsemen and their rivals in armour swept across the Santerre plateau, driving terror-stricken Germans in front of them, they did the most amazing things. The headquarters of the 11th German Corps in huts at Framerville was charged by tanks and the Corps Staff pursued down roads and across fields, one general escaping capture by running like a hare.’

‘The British flag was hoisted on the headquarters of the 11th Corps (commanded by General Kuhne) by noon, and the tanks carried their own flag to victory as well.’

‘Despite the unorganised attempts at destruction, an enormous amount of stores and a large number of guns of all kinds had to be left to us, and the tank crew, who came back looking like sweeps, steadily added to the tale of success.’

(Attributed to Henry Nevinson)

359569 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #251 of 1992 🔗

Lockdown 3 has previously been compared to the Third Battle of Ypres here, more insanity with the same result.

Johnson clearly wants to be compared to Churchillwhich is why he likens fighting Covid to a world war. Apart from the damage wrought by lockdown it is nothing of the kind.

Churchill is wrongly traduced over Gallipoli, he envisaged a Naval assault only; the War Office turned it into a landing then gave Churchill a second rate fleet and a Flag Admiral who had a nervous breakdown the day before action commenced.

359670 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #252 of 1992 🔗

But it was undoubtedly his strategy and, as the Second World War demonstrated again, this time in Greece, quite probably not one ever likely to succeed; many bridges to far…..

Once he had Alanbrooke at his side, the idea of drawing the German Army into the quagmire of Italy took hold, with results for all to see, despite the brilliance of that talented airman turned General, Kesselring….

359574 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #253 of 1992 🔗

Having read Churchill’s defence of the Gallipoli strategy, I’m not convinced it was a bad idea. But it was not pursued properly at the start (not Churchill’s fault), which led to the subsequent failure as the defences had been prepared. Surely an attempt to outflank the enemy, which was almost certainly going to be far less costly than yet another offensive on the Western Front, was worth a try.

I’m tempted to draw comparisons with the Great Barrington Declaration, but the parallels can’t be pushed too far – that concept remains valid.

Churchill was fearless of responsibility – yet another characteristic Johnson lacks compared with his hero.

359700 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to TJN, #254 of 1992 🔗

It was certainly a bold strategy. Could Britain have maintained and supported an army in the field of sufficient size to cause the collapse of Turkey? Probably not:

‘The effectiveness of the Turkish coastal defences and minefields should have come as no surprise, to the British at least.

Robert O’Neill, one of Australia’s most respected historians, notes that the British built a significant part of the Turkish defences that destroyed several massive allied warships.’

‘… there’s a risk of overlooking the very effective and courageous resistance of the Turkish army. They were very capable. They had many tricks up their sleeves that the Australians had to learn and they were experienced and hardened soldiers” – more so than most of the Australians. “They had very experienced officers who knew how to command in combat.’

‘ “How strange it is that Winston Churchill, a voracious student of military history, thought that a force of some 60,000 men, backed by the Royal Navy, would rapidly induce a Turkish collapse leading to the seizure and occupation of Constantinople,” O’Neill says. “He saw the Ottoman Empire as moribund. Unfortunately the Ottoman Empire in 1914 had plenty of fight left in it.”

But I do agree that, had the plan been better executed, it might have achieved some spectacular gains, as bold plans, carried out with elan, often do:

‘Historian Peter Stanley holds a different view of the Allied chances of victory. He argues that if the Anzacs had been able to advance further in the first days after the landing and capture a much bigger beachhead, then they might have been able to land the Australian Light Horse. These mounted infantry could have ranged over the more open ground behind the rough terrain of Anzac Cove and attacked the Turkish supply lines. The outcome then could have been different, Stanley believes.’

http://thegreatwar.theaustralian.com.au/could_we_have_won_at_gallipoli/#:~:text=The%20Turks%20concluded%20that%20the,cut%20the%20peninsula%20in%20half.&text=Historian%20Peter%20Stanley%20holds%20a,the%20Allied%20chances%20of%20victory .

359883 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tim Bidie, #255 of 1992 🔗

Interesting view – although I guess this one will always be mired in counterfactuals.

But surely any alternative to sending 18-yr-olds against barbed wire and machine guns was worth a go, as Churchill argues.

Churchill worshipped the Blenheim campaign. But had that not happened, or Marlborough had been forced to call it off early on, what chances would later historians given for its hypothetical success? Pretty close to zero I am sure, and yet it worked.

360015 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to TJN, 1, #256 of 1992 🔗

Indeed….and most of his Generals tried to dissuade the German leader from an assault through the Ardennes but it worked……the first time……..

Blenheim needed Marlborough and the Ardennes attack needed Manstein, Rommel and the rest, just as the successful British withdrawal to Dunkirk needed a stellar cast of Alanbrooke, Alexander and Monty…..

Undoubtedly, to have any success, Gallipoli would have required a General of calibre…..maybe a cavalryman like Allenby could have done something……..or maybe Churchill needed an Alanbrooke in the Admiralty at the time. He had Fisher but they were too close.

360122 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tim Bidie, #257 of 1992 🔗

In one of his books Churchill remarked that in war al repetitions are dangerous – with the implication that a one-off audacious move stood to gain a great deal, and was usually worth a go – that seems to be his guiding principle.

359687 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #258 of 1992 🔗

But as a war this is entirely one-sided. The rona isn’t fighting. Nor is she taking any hits.

The Western world has boiled its own head, without any impact on Rona.

359736 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Ovis, 5, #259 of 1992 🔗

It is a bit of a ‘Don Quixote’ moment, isn’t it.

Every single national political leader in the developed world will be regarded by history as a capering clown…..

Forthcoming elections, and they will be forthcoming, everywhere will be interesting.

If Trump, with the biggest Republican voter turn out in history, could not survive then I doubt many other incumbents will manage it.

359547 ▶ TJN, replying to TJN, 28, #260 of 1992 🔗

… such is the absurdity of typical seventeenth-century witchcraft cases it is tempting to condemn the perpetrators and witnesses out of hand. But we must judge them against the prevailing standards of their own time. The many parallels with our own age should break any complacency we may hold about our own better natures. The days of the judicial or mob murder of old women (and less commonly men) for witchcraft have, in Western societies at least, passed. But mankind’s penchant for the persecution of his fellow man lives on. Witch hunts – ancient or modern, and whether aimed at ‘witches’ or other minorities or individuals – draw life from characteristics latent and enduring in the human psyche: a need to blame another for one’s own misfortunes or fears; the herd instinct, and a willingness to disdain or fear individuals who lie outside the herd – that is classical group-think; a need to indulge self-righteousness, and the inherent moral superiority it gives over lesser beings; that same self-righteousness in the persecutor that allows of no self-doubts and no admission of his own fallibility; a willingness to accuse and then to condemn without reasonable evidence or even logic; the conceit that derives from pseudo-intellectualism. We shall see all these traits in the Bideford witchcraft scare. They can all be seen in almost any society today.

… [continued in conclusion] …

Charles Mackay, the nineteenth-century writer and poet, in an observation all the more withering for being so true, famously remarked: ‘Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.’ He might well have added that very many men are incapable of thinking for themselves, that most are afraid to do so, and that the first individuals to recover their senses from crowd-induced delusion are often the objects of derision, censure, and even retribution.

359571 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to TJN, 16, #261 of 1992 🔗

The opening Einstein quote from my forthcoming book is “the mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the one who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices.”

359580 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bungle, 1, #262 of 1992 🔗

Great quote! What’s your book about?

359589 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to TJN, 5, #263 of 1992 🔗

Title: ‘Dealing with the next pandemic – how Einstein can help’.

359599 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bungle, 2, #264 of 1992 🔗

Good luck against the censors!

The second bit could just as easily read ‘how any proper scientist can help’, but it isn’t so catchy …

359548 ▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 56, #265 of 1992 🔗

I am disappointed to see no mention whatever of the Italian restaurant protest in today’s issue, which instead prefers to lose itself at length in the tapeworm-infested guts of the government’s travel strategy. The mainstream media (first time I’ve ever used that phrase) seem not to be covering the protest at all so it is up to alternative sources to spread the word about what is a large, brave, energetic and positive challenge to the crushing of society and its liberties.

If all you’re going to do is chew over what the government tells you, what’s the point? We know they change policies more often than they change their underwear and we know it’s deliberately obscure and complex because its purpose is to confound opposition.

A change in focus is needed. We need to talk about what people are DOING to smash this system and wreck the lockdowns.

359561 ▶▶ stewart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 18, #266 of 1992 🔗

Stop Press: Off Guardian reports on the #IOAPRO (I Am Open) campaign, which is set to see 50,000 Italian restaurant owners defy restrictions and open their restaurants in an act of civil disobedience. The #IOAPRO movement is already spreading into Poland and parts of Switzerland. Come on, England. What are you waiting for?

359680 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #267 of 1992 🔗

yes good point but we need to do more than “talk about what people are doing” we need to DO it ourselves!!

Yesterday I said my local freedom hub want to to stir up civil disobedience amongst small businesses in our town. Please can we have some more suggestions? How many of us are still there meeting within Save Our Rights/KBF or other sceptic groups to plan and carry out activities? When we met we had to creep down a side path and leave the house by a different exit to avoid being reported by neighbours – so what

I go back to a point I made a long time ago – it will mean joining up with people in person who you don’t agree with on other issues to fight a bigger cause …. it’s a lot harder than just writing a retort to them online….. but it must be done!!!!

360180 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Marialta, 6, #268 of 1992 🔗

This site can’t DO anything as such except provide information and facilitate communication. While I agree with you that we need words and not actions, my point was really that less time should be wasted on here engaging in arguments in detail that won’t make any difference and amount to singing opera in the shower, and instead real news (like about Italy and Poland) should be publicised so people can follow up on it with coordinated action.

Otherwise I’ll have to start my own site.

359975 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #269 of 1992 🔗

Agreed, and with Toby, we also seem to be getting bogged down in debates about “the science”. Leave that to the GBD guys and other real experts. We should concentrate on three aspects. Firstly, exposing government and MSM lies, based on PHE and ONS data and statistics. That’s an easy one – the facts are readily available. Secondly, highlighting the personal and social damage caused by lockdowns. Again plenty of evidence available. Thirdly, as you suggest, giving greater publicity to those who are fighting the system in practical ways.

359555 ▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 5, #270 of 1992 🔗

So out of interest I wondered how much my local council had ‘suffered’ since March, how much of our money it was looking save and preparation for the downturn in money it receives and how it had looked around at the services it was no longer providing and cut costs there.

Given it seems to have been rolling out new cycle lanes, an entirely new bin collection ‘regime’ and endless propaganda posters I wasnt hopeful.

After an FOI request I received

Since 26th March 2020.

1. How many employees of LBHF have been or are currently on furlough?

2. How many employees of LBHF have been made redundant?

3. Which council departments have been affected by staff redundancy or furloughed staff?

 Environment 10
Economy 5
Resources 13
Finance 0
Social Care 1
Children’s 0

So it pretty much looks like my council regards this as business as usual/we have an open cheque book!

No librarians furloughed? No bulk waste collection staff furloughed? All the other services that were suspended?

I wonder if this is the same across the country – I suspect it is……

359560 ▶▶ stewart, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 1, #271 of 1992 🔗

How many people does your council employ in total?

359590 ▶▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to stewart, 4, #272 of 1992 🔗

1757 according to their website

And I suspect that most of the redundancies were ‘normal’ ones rather than ‘we cant afford you anymore – sorry’ ones.

359595 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 1, #273 of 1992 🔗

I guess the local councils are getting plenty of supplies from the magic money-printing machine.

359566 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 8, #274 of 1992 🔗

I’ve been amazed at the amounts of money our district and county councils have been spaffing recently. Ten grand for a pair of ‘gates’ on the sides of the approach road into town – jeez, plus all the plastic crap signage instructing us to be more ‘green’! No money spent on things that would improve our lives though. No money spent on repairing
dangerous potholes, oh no.

359568 ▶▶ court, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 5, #275 of 1992 🔗

There’s 2 things my council loves, bossing people around and of course spending their money. This last year they’ve been in their element!

359812 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 3, #276 of 1992 🔗

I got asked to comment on a recent council led initiative seeking funding to build up communities and a lot of the criteria was around sustainability of local small businesses. Economy, social impact, environmental impact etc. That sort of thing.

I declined the offer but did respond to say that the council, by approving these lockdowns, have down as much damage as could ever be done to destroy small businesses and the ambition of their owners. Once we agree on that baseline understanding, we can talk.

359557 ▶ Bungle, replying to Bungle, 6, #277 of 1992 🔗

Following on from the great Northumbrian Nomad, I feel LS editorial policy is completely wrong. I log in with my coffee every morning, the first thing I do but increasingly find a) the government narrative with a “ooh isn’t this bad” comment. This is followed by b) graphs including data about ‘Covid cases’ – there is no such thing as a Covid case because there is no reliable test. Later on, c) every day, I am insulted as I am a Socialist (for the many, not the few) and now we’ve got Toby telling us about his kids “lunch & supper”. I suppose he means ‘dinner’ and ‘tea’ but what would I know?

359581 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Bungle, 5, #278 of 1992 🔗

Socialism destroys everything…….

359659 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bungle, 2, #279 of 1992 🔗

There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t’ shoebox in t’ middle o’ road

Born at Military Hospital, Catterick Camp, me, aye Yorkshire as F___.

360635 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #280 of 1992 🔗

Yes, but socialism is a good idea, shame it has never worked, The North shall Rise again.. apologies to the Fall.

359558 ▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #281 of 1992 🔗

Considering that the UK and the rest of the world have followed the Chinese invention of LD do you think they will follow this advice also?

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/norway-sounds-alarm-over-vaccine-risks-elderly-frail-after-23-deaths

“A Beijing-based immunologist, who requested anonymity, told the Global Times on Friday that the world should suspend the use of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine represented by Pfizer, as this new technology has not proven safety in large-scale use or in preventing any infectious diseases.
Older people, especially those over 80, should not be recommended to receive any COVID-19 vaccine, he said.”

359565 ▶▶ stewart, replying to swedenborg, 15, #282 of 1992 🔗

It’s going to be mighty interesting, isn’t it.

The question nobody seems to want to contemplate is: if the vaccines don’t work out, what next?

Accept the GBD approach?
Keep muddling forward with lockdown, release, lockdown, release?
Zero-covid strategy – brutal lockdown to achieve total suppression in UK and isolation from the rest of the world?

None of those options look very appealing from Boris Johnson’s perspective.

359584 ▶▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to stewart, 20, #283 of 1992 🔗

Spot on.

The vaccine is the only way out for government that does not force them to say that what we did was a mistake. It’s the only way to declare victory.

That’s my fear. The vaccine is too convenient an answer. But years of science has suggested that finding truly effective vaccines against Corona and all respiratory viruses has been super tricky owing to the mutating. Flu vaccines are not that effective either in the face of different variants, I understand. The bland assertions that the vaccines will still work anyway are based on dogma not science.

The control studies then did not include many (or even any) old people, who are affected by this. They are also more vulnerable to side effects of the vaccine and their immune systems are less likely to benefit from it anyway.

In the end this will end up becoming a strategy of forcing the young to get vaccinated so as to protect the old. But the young are so little at risk that they will get zero personal benefit but incur risk from the vaccine. The ethics then start to get highly questionable.

Ultimately, this will be another disaster. I can feel it coming but hope I am wrong.

359608 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Stephensceptic, 13, #284 of 1992 🔗

They have placed all eggs in one basket, vaccines. They have not even been smart enough to have a safety valve at least as in the US with regular updating of suspected side effects. They have relied on censorship or OFSTED rules having none of the tabloids reporting these events in Norway. We have had 50 times more vaccines in Norway and miraculously no side effects? Is this Albania under Enhver Hodha with 120 % uptake of measles vaccine?
They have no control of anything and the house of cards is soon collapsing. They can’t even gag SAGE members. If BJ was trying to have an optimistic message he would surely sack the Deputy Medical Officer quoted of his view having vaccines every 6th months and masks forever.

359617 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 3, #285 of 1992 🔗

Great posts – but is the house of cards soon collapsing? The Great British Public seem only to want more restrictions.

If by house of cards you mean their strategy I think you are correct. I hope – and suspect – you are also correct in a wider context. Time will tell.

359620 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to swedenborg, 4, #286 of 1992 🔗

TheSun and the Express both report the deaths in Norway.

359625 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #287 of 1992 🔗

Thanks for reporting this.At least a crack in their black out.

359799 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #288 of 1992 🔗

And the Daily Mail

359662 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to swedenborg, 3, #289 of 1992 🔗

Perhaps that’s the exit.

Vaccines fail, BJ sets all the blame on the scientific mullahs (Vallance, Whitty and VT), sacks them and puts a GBDer in charge.

That would take a spectacular amount of political skill to survive, though. With Labour calling for a zero-covid strategy and the Labour friendly press stiring the country up with daily death count, it would require a fair amount. of skill and courage to go that way.

Not sure where the courage would come from given they didn’t have it when this all kicked off.

359593 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stewart, 12, #290 of 1992 🔗

I think most British people would pick your second option. Zero Covid is an unachievable fantasy. Love it how GBD continues to quietly offer a solution long after it has been disregarded.

359767 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Tom Blackburn, #291 of 1992 🔗

I fear you are right.
The interesting thing is that seems to me the least tenable position politically speaking.

There would be pressure from Labour for zero-covid and there would be pressure within the Conservative party for GBD.

Actually, the most likely is that when PCR infections come down naturally, they will claim victory for the vaccine, kick the can down the road and the panic will kick off again with the next spike in infections. – new variant, vaccine not effective, new round of vaccinations.

Eventually it will all blow up. Just hard to predict when. Could be ages.

359809 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to stewart, 4, #292 of 1992 🔗

Forget about it being a vaccine, it isn’t. Covid19 hasn’t been isolated so there is no vaccine, how can there be? Astra Zeneca is the only vaccine but that is made from a monkey virus, because, yes, they have not isolated the COV19 virus, geddit? Pfizer / Moderna is not a vaccine it is an experimental genetic modifier they have called it a vaccine to fast track it by cutting corners and we are their lab rats.

359941 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to stewart, #293 of 1992 🔗

Indeed. I think they are rapidly approaching the point where the second option becomes unfeasible, certainly if the vaccines fail to stop the case-demic. Unfortunately the first option includes the risk of ministers going to prison, so will never be considered seriously. Authoritarianism is all that remains to protect their incompetent, corrupt arses.

However, there is still the option of winding down PCR and replacing with LFT. Unfortunately, France is torpedoing that idea at the monent and our morons will be forced by the meeja to copy them.

359570 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #294 of 1992 🔗

Further in the article. This is important news.They have done autopsies which confirms that the vaccines have contributed to deaths.Norway has one of the best heath system in the world. Iceland,Israel and Swedn has reported reaction in a transparent manner you would expect of a modern health system.What about UK any reports from MHRA like the ones from US CDC? Or is the UK system a third world system?

“Thus far Norway says it has administered doses to up to 33,000 people, including the elderly, but are already finding it “too risky” for the terminally ill and people over 80 that are in frail condition. Given only 33,000 injected so far, the reported death count is already staggering and is causing officials to sound the alarm:

Norwegian officials said 23 people had died in the country a short time after receiving their first dose of the vaccine. Of those deaths, 13 have so far been autopsied, with the results suggesting that common side effects may have contributed to severe reactions in frail, elderly people , according to the Norwegian Medicines Agency.”

359578 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to swedenborg, 6, #295 of 1992 🔗

So much for things being “safe” and that a rapid development of a vaccine can work. There aren’t any shortcuts I’m afraid. Because the last time with Swine Flu we had narcolepsy.

The governments are in the thrall of the Theorists. They’ll only change when they feel a real threat.

359592 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to swedenborg, 5, #296 of 1992 🔗

Are reports of similar cases in the UK being suppressed then I wonder? Taking the Norwegian report at its word, there must be many more here given the number of vaccines done already.

359591 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to swedenborg, 6, #297 of 1992 🔗

As our numbers have sky-rocketed since the vaccine came in, I’d describe it as ineffective at best. At worst, the cause. But I am a mere non-scientist. What do I know?

359618 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 2, #298 of 1992 🔗

In my limited understanding of it, treatments are developed by medical teams, with boots on the ground. The success or failure of these are then communicated to the wider medical science community. Big pharma aren’t very keen on this and would rather dictate to the professionals, which treatments or vaccines should be used.
This has been debated for years with little widespread concern and here we are now, in the biggest cluster fuck of all time.

359785 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to swedenborg, 1, #299 of 1992 🔗

Its Genocide folks! All done in the name of the new god Covid and keeping us safe!

359559 JHUNTZ, 10, #300 of 1992 🔗

“ The devastating human and industry cost of COVID-19 ”

Yet we who oppose lockdown as a policy are the selfish ones…..

359575 ▶ alw, replying to alw, 22, #301 of 1992 🔗

“ Health is about living. A healthy person can achieve a range of potentials, physical and mental. A healthy society is one that enables its people to flourish. Disease is but one obstacle to health, and not necessarily the biggest. Obsession with disease, when it becomes so unbalanced, can be detrimental to public health, damaging whole lives, not just the parts you can measure. Poverty, anxiety, desperation, anger, sleeplessness, depression – all of this can affect our lives just as much or more than a clinical condition.”

”The government is not above the law. Sooner or later it will be held accountable for the dreadful, avoidable damage it has done to so many of us.”

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/lockdown-and-the-unforgivable-negligence-of-johnson-co/

359790 ▶▶ Janette, replying to alw, 1, #302 of 1992 🔗

This gives me hope and reinforces the fact we are not alone.

359576 ▶ TC, replying to TC, 6, #303 of 1992 🔗

Any scientist/statistician doing work on collating and assessing deaths caused by lockdown?
The government published some figures in the summer which lead me to ask my wife if the difference between published Death by Covid and Death by Lockdown had really been worth all the restrictions (it was a rhetorical question to her).
I suspect HMG decided not to publish any more on those lines but it maybe some in msm are now raising questions on some of the less desirable products of LD eg. child abuse,domestic abuse,lack of education etc.
I would like a reloable source to produce to LD supporters – the work done countering the government and Ministry of Truth line viz deaths being astronomically high in 2020 has been very helpful but seems to fall on deaf ears. People chose what they want to hear,I suppose but I want to keep on trying to put the sceptic case.

359585 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TC, 4, #304 of 1992 🔗

People aren’t interested in facts (unfortunately). As you say, it falls on deaf ears.

359640 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #305 of 1992 🔗

They come back with the counterfactual: “If we didn’t have lockdowns many more would have died.”

Impossible to prove, impossible to disprove.

The perfect refuge for someone who has no intention of climbing down.

359710 ▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to stewart, 2, #306 of 1992 🔗

The excess deaths at home is interesting though. Double the normal amount apparently which suggests people were more scared of over-burdening the NHS than getting treatment.

359732 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to stewart, 3, #307 of 1992 🔗

I would have thought the answer to that is “Prove it.” After all, businesses going down are visible on nearly every high street, people dying from Covid is not (reported on the MSM is not the same thing).

360124 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to stewart, 2, #308 of 1992 🔗

Except Sweden and Florida say otherwise. The real question is what are people actually dying off during a lockdown and are collateral effects being missed

359614 ▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to TC, 1, #309 of 1992 🔗

I believe that the University of Bristol have been carrying out a study on this matter. You should be able to find it with a quick google search

359619 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to PeeDubbya, #310 of 1992 🔗

Thank you. I’ll try that.

359633 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to TC, 2, #311 of 1992 🔗

UK Actuaries Institute did calc 45K dead from LDs at one point. OffGuardian as well was assessing the same.

359639 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to FerdIII, 1, #312 of 1992 🔗

Thank you.
I’ll see what I can find.
Couldn’t see anything on University of Bristol’s research part of it’s website.

359648 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to TC, #313 of 1992 🔗

A search for NPI’s, might be better than lockdowns.

359652 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #314 of 1992 🔗

A well written article, which is easy to understand

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/13/what-are-the-harms-of-lockdown/

359859 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to PoshPanic, #315 of 1992 🔗

Thank you.

359856 ▶▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to PoshPanic, #316 of 1992 🔗

Thank you.

359704 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to TC, 2, #317 of 1992 🔗

Here’s another piece by the Time for Recovery (Lord Sumption et al) group

Excess deaths scandal – why did you ignore our warnings? – Time For Recovery

359862 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to maggie may, #318 of 1992 🔗

Thank you.

359755 ▶▶ TC, replying to TC, #319 of 1992 🔗

All I could find of recent vintage is this American link: https://www.aier.org/article/death-by-lockdown/

359579 ▶ TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 14, #320 of 1992 🔗

I see more people are waking up across the world to the fact these restrictions are being utilised for ulterior motives.
Everywhere except Scotland ofcourse, we’re daft.

359582 ▶▶ TC, replying to TheBigman, 2, #321 of 1992 🔗

Yes,I have a friend in Stasiland.
He seems to spend his days in retirement posting video clips and jokes on Whatsapp.
But he’s pretty compliant and not bolshy over things; he doesn’t like NicholaS though – what a surprise.

359609 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to TC, 5, #322 of 1992 🔗

Yes, a lot of people spend there life sending memes it’s a life well spent full of value and meaning.

359607 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to TheBigman, 2, #323 of 1992 🔗

I’m glad you agree what a thick bunch we are and yet claim to be freedom fighters you could not make it up. If it weren’t for family ties I would be off. Depending the fall out of this I am considering moving to the North of England.

359634 ▶▶ stewart, replying to TheBigman, 9, #324 of 1992 🔗

I see that and at the same time more people becoming aggressively hostile to lockdown skepticism, which is natural as the cognitive dissonance mounts.

When lockdowns, masks, distancing and handwashing have failed miserably the only place left for them to go is lack of compliance. They cling on to New Zealand as a last shred of evidence that lockdowns work.

359699 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to stewart, 1, #325 of 1992 🔗

Which is a fucking nonsense because the ship has sailed to ever become New Zealand and who the fuck wants to lock themself away from the world.

359906 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to TheBigman, 2, #326 of 1992 🔗

I’m back on Facebook and have joined a few Scottish groups who are against lockdowns. We are not all daft, although in 10 months I’m coming to the conclusion the daftest are the most educated and have the most degrees but then, that could be because lockdown doesn’t affect their bank accounts in a negative way.

359583 ▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #327 of 1992 🔗

There are many clever lawyers out there

Surely there must be a way to get Whitty and Vallance into the witness box and require them to prove the existence of the Covid 19 virus; and the reliability of the PCR test

I doubt if their assertions would survive a decent cross examination by a top QC

If they cannot prove the reliability of the testing the whole narrative falls apart

Perhaps a ‘Trojan Horse’ of a Free Speech Union case against Facebook et al could provide the opportunity

Equally a simple challenged Fixed Penalty fine case could be used. Demand the State comes to court and proves the existence of covid and the reliability of their testing

359768 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 3, #328 of 1992 🔗

The problem is you would need one honest law abiding incorruptible barrister.

I rest my case.

359587 ▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 27, #329 of 1992 🔗

In Norway there have been twenty-three vaccine related deaths. The country has vaccinated twenty-five thousand people. In the United Kingdom more than two and half million people have been vaccinated and there have been no vaccine related deaths. So, in Norway the risk of dying following injection with the vaccine is almost one in a thousand, whilst the risk in the United Kingdom is zero.

What is wrong with these facts?

359594 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #330 of 1992 🔗

All deaths here are covvideaths..

359597 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Annie, 10, #331 of 1992 🔗

So many people sadlidied

359600 ▶▶▶▶ FlyingFlamingo, replying to mhcp, 3, #332 of 1992 🔗

quite – can’t just die these days

359747 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FlyingFlamingo, 5, #333 of 1992 🔗

You can in theory but not from covvie. Covvideaths are sadlideaths.

360898 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Annie, #334 of 1992 🔗

Just as we could have predicted!

359598 ▶▶ FlyingFlamingo, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #335 of 1992 🔗

deaths here recorded as something else ? immunisations not mentioned on death cert / no report sent to MHRA etc etc

361129 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FlyingFlamingo, 1, #336 of 1992 🔗

No autopsies?

359605 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #337 of 1992 🔗

Very fair implied point, but isn’t it the Pfeizer jab that’s the problem in Norway? Do we know the proportion in the UK who have had that jab?

Doubtless the other jabs have their own long-term little gifts embedded within them.

359622 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TJN, 2, #338 of 1992 🔗

According to Pfizer, the United Kingdom has already been supplied with million of does of the vaccine, and this was the first one to be offered to the public.

359764 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TJN, 1, #339 of 1992 🔗

About 1m, it was 600,000 just before Christmas.

359792 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #340 of 1992 🔗

Thanks – so 1 in 1000 equates to 1000 deaths.

360272 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #341 of 1992 🔗

Have you considered that vaccine related deaths in the UK are being hushed up?
Germany and Switzerland are also investigating vaccine related deaths. And those are the only 2 countries I have news of, I am sure it happens elsewhere too.

360982 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Silke David, #342 of 1992 🔗

Yes.

359601 ▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 20, #343 of 1992 🔗

Couple of 77thers brigaded the chat last night.

They are absolutely useless at debating. They just throw out straw man arguments and ad hominen attacks. Their argument to appeal to feelings has no bearing here in the context of rational factual debate their position is found seriously wanting. A spineless bunch of traitors with nothing of substance to add.

359610 ▶▶ TJN, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #344 of 1992 🔗

Were they actually 77th? I’ve never associated the British Armed Forces with cowardice, but from what I saw of their comments last evening they struck me as cowards at heart.

359898 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to TJN, 1, #345 of 1992 🔗

People will obey orders. History has taught us this lesson time and time again. We appeal to authority for various reasons.

359635 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #346 of 1992 🔗

What were their usernames?

359900 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Andrew K, 1, #347 of 1992 🔗

BMWman and another guy I was arguing with as you can see from the trail. Can’t remember the name.

359645 ▶▶ jb12, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #348 of 1992 🔗

Professional trolls like them are not here to convince anyone of anything. They are here to distract and waste time.

359902 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jb12, #349 of 1992 🔗

They just prove their argument is tenuous

359647 ▶▶ l835, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #350 of 1992 🔗

Just keyboard warriors, wound up by the government accusing us of having blood on our hands. Expect more of this… The real 77th will be far more subtle, just sowing that seed of doubt…

359672 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to l835, 2, #351 of 1992 🔗

Yes, I would have thought so – certainly hope so, as you wouldn’t expect the real 77th to be entirely incompetent.

359681 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #352 of 1992 🔗

Does the 77th brigade actually exist or is it an “urban myth” . I never heard of it before encountering this website. If it does exist for the purposes of detecting insurrection and subversion before it erupts into incidents like the Manchester Arena bombing (not a feather in their caps) then they are incredibly incompetent and the Brigardier should be demoted.
The reason being that the comments on this site alone give eidence of such disgust , anger and sheer frustrated hatred of the Gang of Four running and ruining the country that Downing St should be receiving regular reports of that anger. But all the evidence from the press conferences is that Downing st has no idea at all of the pressure building up , only when Boris is dangling from a gantry alongside his mistress like Mussolini , will he come to his senses, but by then he may have no senses at all.

359696 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to mikewaite, 4, #353 of 1992 🔗

https://www.army.mod.uk/who-we-are/formations-divisions-brigades/6th-united-kingdom-division/77-brigade/

359959 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mikewaite, 3, #354 of 1992 🔗

Tobias Elwood MP is a reservist in the 77th Brigade – Lieutenant Colonel rank.

359961 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to mikewaite, 5, #355 of 1992 🔗

Yes they do exist, I meat a few of them in Afghanistan and some even tagged along missions with us.There their main mission there was psyops and heart and minds stuff.Some were nice blokes and women but their brass were mostly public school Oxbridge types.

359603 ▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #356 of 1992 🔗

Is this why vaccine roll out is being done slowly? – In order to provide the natural cover that the changing of the seasons would bring in reduced figures?

359642 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tom Blackburn, #357 of 1992 🔗

Perfect timing

359926 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Tom Blackburn, #358 of 1992 🔗

You’re going down the same rabbit hole as me.

359604 ▶ sceptickat, replying to sceptickat, 18, #359 of 1992 🔗

I made a complaint to the BBC about the article regarding Toby’s Teegraph article. At the end they give the usual daily deaths figure as if they all died in one day. Such hypocrisy. I complained about the lack of context given with this figure, considering it appears in an article criticising another journalist’s accuracy.

359629 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to sceptickat, 7, #360 of 1992 🔗

How can 1500 die of CV in one day when on average during Jan 2500 might die from flu etc in previous years. Did 4000 die yesterday? No. So maybe the Fake News can inform us where are all the non CV deaths this year? Or did they just disappear?

359714 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to FerdIII, 1, #361 of 1992 🔗

Can you please supply a stat, source for the 2,500 daily flu deaths?

359615 ▶ Annie, replying to Annie, 14, #362 of 1992 🔗

Had a look at a pack of face nappies, the usual pale blue plasticky ones. Claimed to offer ‘better protection’, but didn’t say better than what, to whom, or from what. Distributed via the Netherlands. Made in Hong Kong.
Company based in Wuhan.

359626 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 6, #363 of 1992 🔗

link from article above – why diapers don’t work https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/

and of course the Chinese are making money from our miserable fascist existence
who isn’t sick of Chy-na?

359628 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Annie, 1, #364 of 1992 🔗

Coming soon, from the people who made the masks, an all in one suit you must wear in Aldi.

359638 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, #365 of 1992 🔗

Report them to the Advertising Standards Authority.

359719 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to karenovirus, 7, #366 of 1992 🔗

I made a few compalints about the misrepresentaion of facts in the governemnt’s TV and radio adverts.

Even supplied FOIs to back up my complaint that show they adverst were lies.

No action taken.

359749 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #367 of 1992 🔗

Don’t stop trying AG.

359624 ▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #368 of 1992 🔗

[Lea la resolución] Sala afirma que la covid-19 fue creada por Bill Gates, Soros, Rockefeller, etc. («nuevo orden mundial») | LP (lpderecho.pe)

Can anyone speak spanish and do the honours of translating? On google translate the heading reads "[Read the resolution] Sala claims that covid-19 was created by Bill Gates, Soros, Rockefeller, etc. ("new world order")

This is the high court of Peru apparently.

359627 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #369 of 1992 🔗

Can anyone speak Spanish and translate the article. The heading reads – [Read the resolution] Sala claims that covid-19 was created by Bill Gates, Soros, Rockefeller, etc. (“new world order”)

this is the high court of Peru apparently.

359735 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #370 of 1992 🔗

I speak Spanish.

“Según una de las ideas plasmadas en el auto, la covid-19 sería una invención de las «élites criminales a nivel mundial»”

According to the details within the decree, CV19 is a invention of global criminal elites.

“En la resolución se sostiene que el proceso penal se detuvo a causa de la covid-19, de manera que tenía un carácter «imprevisible», salvo para sus creadores «que lo manejaron y siguen direccionando con un secretismo a ultranza dentro de sus entornos y corporaciones mundiales, con proyecciones al proyecto 2030» [sic]”

The resolution seeks to undertake a legal/criminal process to the origin of CV-19, it’s unpredictable nature, and they manner in which they (global elites) have directed in secret, via their organisations and global corporations, the Agenda 2030 Project.

359745 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #371 of 1992 🔗

Does it say anything about the death penalty for Gates’s Cabal?

359752 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bella Donna, #372 of 1992 🔗

That may be what he’s got in mind for the likes of us in camps on all that farmland he’s bought.

359766 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #373 of 1992 🔗

Aquí el polémico párrafo:

c).- El Acuerdo Plenario 01-2017 en su fundamento 18° señala: “…no se puede aceptar una prolongación de la prisión preventiva si el proceso penal quedó paralizado sin causa de justificación alguna que la legitime…”

Here is the controversial paragraph.

The Plenary Agreement under the 18th Senate states: “the continuation of the lockdown cannot be justified while the criminal/legal process remains paralised without legitimate justification

Basically, it is saying that until they actually investigate the origin of CV-19 and the cabal using it to further Agenda 2030, the Lockdown has no legal justification

359889 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #374 of 1992 🔗

Thank you very much. This worthy of sending on to Toby?

359952 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #375 of 1992 🔗

Will check some of the Peruvian sites and see if it’s being reported

360210 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #376 of 1992 🔗

Thanks

359631 Janette, 5, #377 of 1992 🔗

Does anyone know how it went in Italy yesterday when they were opening 50000 restaurants?

359632 ▶ Julian, replying to Julian, 8, #378 of 1992 🔗

Regarding Israel, I have seen differing stories – above the line today suggests the vaccine is making little difference so far, something else I read suggests it is.

If it does turn out to make little difference, then either
1) It is not as effective as claimed
2) The Israel baseline figures for covid related illness and death are as distorted as ours, so while the vaccine may be saving some lives, the overall impact won’t be noticeable among the noise of people dying of other things anyway being misclassified as covid.

(2) seems more likely, and is likely to apply here too, meaning that the govt will need to decide for themselves that this is over, or not, as they wish

359722 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 5, #379 of 1992 🔗

Your conclusion is certainly correct. But it has been correct from the start, and the vaccine does not materially change it. A political decision was made to go in to this, and only a more or less arbitrary political decision can end it.

359878 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Julian, 1, #380 of 1992 🔗

I suspected for some time that the second scenario would be likely. Undoubtedly our fuckwit leaders didn’t consider this (or anything strategic ever), so it will be interesting to see how they try to explain this away. I think they are going to have to manufacture a strain impervious to the vaccine. The lies are going to end up drowning them eventually.

359655 ▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 35, #381 of 1992 🔗

Awake at 4am – again – so I thought I’d set an exam paper for vaccine candidates. I envisage JP sitting in the exam hall with pen in hand.

VACCINATION EXAMINATION

PART 1 – THE PFIZER VACCINE

Q1        Covid19 particularly affects the elderly, so they may benefit most from the vaccine. What percentage of the 36,000 people in the trial were aged 75 or over?
a)      Over 50%
b)     20% – 50%
c)      5% – 20%
d)     Under 5%

Q2        When are the Pfizer vaccine trials meant to be concluded
a)      They have already been completed
b)     January 2023
c)      The trials have no end date; the trial sample has been widened to 68m people in the UK

Q3        The Pfizer vaccine is stated to be 95% effective
a)      Is this a measure of relative risk
b)     Is this a measure of absolute risk?
c)      Define the distinction between relative risk and absolute risk
NOTE: Failure to answer 3(c) satisfactorily will require you to resit the module “Uses and abuses of statistics”.

Q4        How long is the Pfizer vaccine effective for?
a)      6 months
b)     9 months
c)      342 days
d)     Don’t know
NOTE TO MARKERS: c above is thrown in to confuse students by providing spurious accuracy – the answer is, of course, (d)

Q5        The vaccine is intended to be provided in two doses 21 days apart. What is the clinical effect of extending the date of the second dose?
a)      Don’t know
b)     Don’t know
c)      Don’t know
NOTE TO MARKERS – a, b and c are all correct answers.

Q6        If a person contracts Covid19 after being vaccinated, the risk of a poor clinical outcome as a result of vaccine-enhanced disease is:
a)      Nil
b)     Unknown

Q7        Extrapolating the statistics from the Pfizer trials:
A           in a group of 10,000 unvaccinated people, 0.88% would contract Covid19. Using current mortality risk data, how many of these would sadlidie
a)      50
b)     25
c)      2
B           in a group of 10,000 vaccinated people, 0.04% would contract Covid 19. Taking into account your answer to Q6 above, how many of these would sadlidie?
a)      4
b)     2
c)      0

Q8 If a vaccinated person dies within 28 days of taking the 2nd dose of the vaccine, will the death certificate record that they died:
a) from the vaccine
b) with the vaccine
c) despite the vaccine
d) there would be no record

359661 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to BTLnewbie, 4, #382 of 1992 🔗

Most of the sheeple and Fake News would fail. They get confused by facts and science.

359693 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to BTLnewbie, 3, #383 of 1992 🔗

This is brilliant!

359698 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BTLnewbie, 3, #384 of 1992 🔗

https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/12/reports/10-facts-from-the-uk-government-pfizer-vaccine-guidance-that-promote-vaccine-hesitancy/

360810 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #385 of 1992 🔗

Thanks for the link bbrs- excellent article.

359729 ▶▶ Janette, replying to BTLnewbie, #386 of 1992 🔗

Excellent. Send it to Bojo

359787 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #387 of 1992 🔗

If GP’s don’t get full marks – why not? If they do, why are they offering vaccinations?

359656 ▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #388 of 1992 🔗

A disabled woman assisted by Kester Disability Rights has been paid £7,000 in compensation by a service provider who refused her access to a service because she was unable to wear a face mask.
The pay-out was achieved through negotiation as there was no dispute that access had been denied, or that the Claimant had a disability exemption. The only thing to be agreed was the amount of compensation, not whether it was due or not.
Refusing access to people unable to wear face coverings due to disability is direct discimination – no different to denying access to a black or gay person for example.
Disabled people are now routinely harassed in public for not wearing face coverings – frequently given the impression that confidential medical information must be publicly disclosed to justify exemption. The fact that shops and hospitality businesses routinely display “no mask no entry” signs shows how deeply disablist attitudes are embedded in society. If premises displayed “no blacks” or “no gays” notices there would be outrage.
Fortunately the official Government position does not endorse any of this as nobody exempt from wearing a mask is expected to go around justifying themselves. Saying “I’m exempt” is enough. If the response to that can be proved to be discriminatory then compensation is due.

https://disabilityrights.org.uk/first-face-mask-discrimination-case-nets-7-000

Ensuring this is as widely known as possible would give moral support to all those people who are exempt but feel obliged to wear face masks and it would give all those people in charge of organisations increased motivation to recognise exemptions and to ensure their staff do not harass, intimidate or discriminate. In such an atmosphere more and more people would stop wearing face masks, which, in itself, which reduce the level of fear and hysteria, and thus make critical thinking far easier and more likely.

359734 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #389 of 1992 🔗

Thanks Steve, I’ll copy your posting if I may for circulating to a wider audience. We need to get this out there.

359770 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #390 of 1992 🔗

Would be great to see this in all the MSM papers/websites .

359813 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #391 of 1992 🔗

Fantastic – Print of a copy from this link and give to these businesses with signs that state access will be reused if no mask.

359847 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Steve Hayes, #392 of 1992 🔗

LOL This is on the front page – proving that many come to the comments first!

359894 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #393 of 1992 🔗

Have saved this as this is a good warning salvo against shops that discriminate and staff that bully and harass customers.

359663 ▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #394 of 1992 🔗

Why is no one asking the obvious question about Israel…are they also helping to vaccinate the Palestinian people? I assume not, which means that 1. Their efforts will be less effective in achieving herd immunity when a large portion of the Arab population have been excluded and 2. They’re obviously going to use this to further quash the human rights and movements of Palestinian people.

I’d have respect for what they were doing if they used some of their military strength and massive aid budget to vaccinate the entire region regardless of whether they consider the inhabitants to be Gods “chosen people” or not.

359679 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #395 of 1992 🔗

They hope lots of Palestinians will die.
Israel is a racist and inhuman project, and Corbyn was dragged through the thorn bushes backwards to prevent him and others from stating that which is totally obvious.

359740 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Waldorf, #396 of 1992 🔗

And the Arab nations surrounding Israel are what? They are also racists who want to see the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people.

359999 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #397 of 1992 🔗

Nope. Egypt, by far the largest, arrived at a peace treaty with Israel as far back as the 1970s, and has collaborated with the Israelis in turning Gaza into the world’s largest open prison. After the “Arab Spring” which removed Mubarak, Morsi made some tentative noises against this, a key reason why he was overthrown and replaced with Sisi, a totally compliant military despot. Sisi is well-funded by the USA.
Other neighbours are too weak to be much of a threat, and the Syrian government narrowly averted overthrow after a prolonged civil war encouraged by many of its own neighbours, so it is no threat to Israel. Arabs by and large do not like Israel but the single-minded desire for the “destruction of Israel and the Jewish people” is simply not there, except in the minds of the type of Zionist (who does exist – examine the writings of a certain Cynthia Ovick, for example) who thinks all non-Jews spend every waking moment trying to destroy Jews.
Absent the current lavish US arming and funding for Israel, the Israelis are potentially vulnerable, But since Zionists have a lock on both major US political parties, this isn’t going to happen. Netanyahu got a hero’s welcome when he visited Congress, although even many Israelis detest him.

359823 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Waldorf, 2, #398 of 1992 🔗

If the vaccine is as dodgy as Health Impact Events and various stories (and disturbing videos) from around the world suggest, maybe the Palestinians will be fortunate to miss out on this boon of modern technology.

359921 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #399 of 1992 🔗

Could be. Only time will tell.

359781 ▶▶ alw, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, -1, #400 of 1992 🔗

Some really anti-Semitic comments on here. Israel and the US have ensured that Palestine has the money for vaccination programme. It is for Palestine to decide their own vaccination programme without outside interference. Palestinians living and working in Israel will be vaccinated under the Israeli programme. Let’s hope that the finances given to Palestine will be spent only on the vaccination programme.

359807 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to alw, 4, #401 of 1992 🔗

I don’t think suggesting this is an “anti-Semitic comment” is fair. I feel you could have asked for clarity on whether the comment is about Jewish people, or the Israeli government before assuming this. If we want to be picky, in my view the final comment in your post is just as guilty of lazy inferences as anything in the post you were criticising.

359828 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to alw, 4, #402 of 1992 🔗

I am not antisemitic. Some of the best resisters against the corona madness have been the Orthodox Jewish community of New York. I suspect that many of them would share my negative views of the state of Israel. Bring up the term is like being labelled a Covid denier or a conspiracy theorist – it is a term used to shut down discussion.

360846 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to alw, #403 of 1992 🔗

I’m definitely not being anti-Semitic. I respect everyone’s right to have freedom over their own religious beliefs. As an atheist I am by default neutral towards all religions, and anti them when they are cited in the name of war, violence, femicide, oppression etc.

I am anti Zionism though which is quite a separate thing.

359667 ▶ Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, 7, #404 of 1992 🔗

I don’t understand why the complaint against Toby was upheld. Having a cold could confer some immunity – he didn’t claim total sterilising immunity. Has the complainant proven otherwise?

And London was approaching herd immunity, provided you believe in the “R staying below 0 for a stable period” definition, rather than 1 – (1/R0) definition. Again, I feel the complainant should have to prove Gabriela Gomes wrong before this can be upheld.

This is worrying for me. The vast majority of people would take a “Toby must be wrong – because the complaint was upheld” view which doesn’t seem fair here.

359675 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tee Ell, 4, #405 of 1992 🔗

There is evidence, some evidence that the R had dropped below 1 before the ( March ) lockdown

Chris Whitty

359678 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #406 of 1992 🔗

You left out the end of that sentence

“There is evidence, some evidence that the R had dropped below 1 before the ( March ) lockdown, but that doesn’t fit our narrative to enable more lockdown so we’ve ignored it. Now, look at this graph, it goes up, fast!”

Chris Witty

359872 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #407 of 1992 🔗

Darling Chris bought a new protractor from ebay – the angles on this one go up to 90deg!

359725 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #408 of 1992 🔗

Here’s the full quote by CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

It’s on video as well.

359769 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #409 of 1992 🔗

The R number is just a theoretical construct and serves no useful purpose. More useless computer modelling.

359676 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tee Ell, 4, #410 of 1992 🔗

I don’t recall seeing any 3.4% fatality rate retractions.

359726 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #411 of 1992 🔗

And you never will. They rely on the general public having the attention span of a goldfish.

359731 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #412 of 1992 🔗

And it’s a fact. I used to be a teacher and I know.

359718 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tee Ell, 7, #413 of 1992 🔗

You must remember the long arm of Deep State. If you were expecting any justice in this country, dream on! Every nook and cranny of this nation is infested with greedy puppets who are in someone’s deep pockets. Depressing view isn’t it, but reality often is.

359674 ▶ katz, replying to katz, 22, #414 of 1992 🔗

God, I love Lockdown Sceptics so much. It makes me smile every morning.

359690 ▶▶ l835, replying to katz, 16, #415 of 1992 🔗

One of my daughters wants to be a nurse, and the other teach, I’d hoped they would work for a living…

359709 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to l835, 1, #416 of 1992 🔗

359744 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to l835, 3, #417 of 1992 🔗

Get them to try for Rolls Royce apprenticeships in Derby (the best of the best).

359712 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to katz, 7, #418 of 1992 🔗

ALONG WITH JONATHAN SUMPTION, PETER HITCHENS, NEAL OLIVER AND TALK RADIO, IT’S KEEPS ME SANE.
SIGNED: N BONAPARTE.

360103 ▶▶ Janette, replying to katz, 2, #419 of 1992 🔗

Me too it’s my salvation.

359677 SweetBabyCheeses, 17, #420 of 1992 🔗

“ Last week Young told BBC Newsnight that some of his claims from an article he wrote in June had been “wrong”, where he had said a second spike of COVID-19 had “refused to materialise” and that one-metre rule is “unnecessary”.

Anyone else a bit disappointed in Toby’s step down here? Firstly, I have absolutely no idea why anyone (regardless of what you think of lockdown) thought that there wouldn’t be a winter “spike” of covid respiratory virus in the Northern hemisphere, the same as all the other respiratory viruses that we live with!

And secondly, the one-metre rule is unnecessary! I’m not saying that generally being more distant from other people is not likely to lead you to be less likely to catch a virus from them if they happen to have an active infection. But it’s completely disproportionate to make this a rule for everyone. People should be allowed to assess that risk for themselves and choose. If it was prudent in most cases then there wouldn’t be any need to make it a rule.

If we don’t ever start allowing new people to hug, touch, kiss, shag each other outside of domestic relationships that were already well established by March 2020 then this will mean the end of the human race. Unless you can afford intrauterine insemination or the guy has a 1m long dick.

359683 ▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #421 of 1992 🔗

The one thing I have learnt is that I have no idea what these lunatics will do next

359694 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 9, #422 of 1992 🔗

Well, just heard the lunatics at Waitrose have removed those divider things you use on the conveyerbelt because they are “dangerous” … further down the rabbit hole.

359705 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, #423 of 1992 🔗

Dangerous, how so?

359723 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #424 of 1992 🔗

Bozo said yesterday that it was ‘dangerous’ for lots of people to touch things in supermarkets – they’ve probably reacted to that.

359738 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 5, #425 of 1992 🔗

Does that mean removing all foodstuffs from shelves? Its getting pretty ridiculous isn’t it?

359775 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #426 of 1992 🔗

Exactly. Just when you think the lunacy can get no worse …

359783 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 5, #427 of 1992 🔗

nly because tehy are constantly playing with tehir germ laden face rags then touching all the produce and tins etc without washing their hands.

I make a big play of stating this out loud when I see it happening with Mrs Awkward tring to shush me.

That is why supermarkets are so “dangerous” – the stupidity of the masked masses, not the virus.

360149 ▶▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to kh1485, #428 of 1992 🔗

My daughter has one of grabby hand on a stick toys. We could all stand on a red line down the middle of every supermarket aisle, and then use them to grab food.

359727 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #429 of 1992 🔗

Someone might bludgeon a person not wearing a mask with it?

359969 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to kh1485, 2, #430 of 1992 🔗

There’s a new crazy thing happening in some Swedish shops just now… rather than counting people in, there is a small rail at the entrance with short coat hangers on, to which laminated number cards are attached. So if they’ve decided a maximum of 25 people can come in, then there are 25 such cards on the rail. The idea is that you take a card when you go in, carry it with you while in the shop, then tip it back on the anger as you leave. If there are no cards on the rail when you arrive, then you are supposed to wait till someone leaves. However, no one seems to have thought of how many customers will touch these cards every day – never seen anyone sanitising them…!!!

360566 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Carrie, #431 of 1992 🔗

The contradictions of Covid.

360295 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, #432 of 1992 🔗

My local waitrose has not had the dividers for a long time, so has M&S. Really annoying.

360382 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to kh1485, #433 of 1992 🔗

You mean the next person thing you put after your shopping. Sainsburys removed these long time ago last year.

359684 ▶ maggie may, replying to maggie may, 12, #434 of 1992 🔗

Just heard that Salisbury Cathedral is being used as a vaccination centre with the organist playing to the assembled multitudes – sounds a bit macabre to me!

359697 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to maggie may, 4, #435 of 1992 🔗

A bit Phantom of the Opera.

359728 ▶▶ Annie, replying to maggie may, 4, #436 of 1992 🔗

Well, CofE churches have long ceased to have anything to do with Christ or God, so they might as well be used for something.
There’s some very good funeral music in the Anglican repertoire.

359739 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 1, #437 of 1992 🔗

Our school organist played Whiter Shade of Pale in chapel ( Bach’s ‘Air on a G String’ ). Can’t remember if that was pre or post his sacking!

359741 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Annie, #438 of 1992 🔗

I think ‘In Paradisum’ might be appropriate, Annie!

359784 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, #439 of 1992 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWa3LyvFOdc
“The Devil – is he all bad?”

359754 ▶▶ alw, replying to maggie may, 5, #440 of 1992 🔗

As I reported a few days ago my elderly presently demented mother-in-law aged 99 had her vaccine yesterday. She had to wait the required 15 minutes after the jab in a large centre which according to the brother in law was cold. Mother in law complained of being very cold. The husband who is a fit and healthy 75 year old also complained that the centre where he had his jab was cold and he had walked the1.2 miles to the centre!

Why are we asking the elderly who don’t go out and who see a few people bar their permanent carer to be vaccinated? Why are these centres so cold and should we be asking the frail elderly to sit around in such environments? So much for protecting the elderly from Ellis.

360305 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to maggie may, #441 of 1992 🔗

Playing Requiems.

361444 ▶▶ Binra, replying to maggie may, #442 of 1992 🔗

Mass Crucifixion?
What comes after that then?

359689 ▶ Natalie Shay, replying to Natalie Shay, 7, #443 of 1992 🔗

nothing to see here :

America’s Biggest Owner Of Farmland Is Now Bill Gates

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielshapiro/2021/01/14/americas-biggest-owner-of-farmland-is-now-bill-gates-bezos-turner/?sh=3675397c6096

359957 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Natalie Shay, #444 of 1992 🔗

Very worrying… The Chinese have also bought up huge swathes of US farmland…

359692 ▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 11, #445 of 1992 🔗

Unless I’m reading the new rules incorrectly…it’s a negative covid test or a £500 fine? That’s pennies to the rich so I assume they can still jet off and just pay it?! Obviously I think we should all be free to travel wherever we wish, but unless the Gov are actually going to order airlines and airports to cease opening, the same as pubs, hairdressers, gyms etc then this is just another way of subjugating ordinary people whilst allowing the rich to carry on.

359716 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #446 of 1992 🔗

Exactly the term “goose is good for the gander” should apply. Close the airports and airlines, they are super spreaders of the virus.

359759 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to cloud6, 2, #447 of 1992 🔗

Could be argued they imported it in the first place…

359884 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #448 of 1992 🔗

The Coronavirus SI restrictions explicitly do not apply to the sky or the territorial waters. So if one is wealthy enough to afford a private plane or boat, one can do as one likes.

359955 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steve Hayes, #449 of 1992 🔗

This is true, but it looks like the US are heavily monitoring their borders now – seems like they think some ‘big names’ are going to try to escape…

359717 stewart, 14, #450 of 1992 🔗

From a friend in Israel:

In Israel we apparently have many cases as well, but the government is ignoring it… my uncle, who is a doctor as well, was vaccinated more then 2 weeks ago. Since then he feels horrible. His other friends developed side effects as well, one of them got a severe infection in his arm and now is taking antibiotics. My uncle reported to the Ministry of Health, but nobody cares since the official policy is to continue with vaccinations at full speed. After talking with my uncle, my mom is less eager to get a vaccine….

359733 ▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #451 of 1992 🔗

We must in some form of end game. The scientists and media’s fascination of variants, mutants are understandable but what can we do about the spread of these? Can we have more restrictions for every new variant considering we have 12000 variants already? If we had not a success with the most stringent measures ever with LD, ruining our economy,and running with 50000 “cases” per day, how could we ever achieve anything more?. The independent SAGE group must have lost any connection with reality with recommending local travel bans and the ZERO covid policy is impossible. The government is desperate with vaccinations and imposing more restrictions of travel knowing that we have most of these strains already in the country.

359776 ▶▶ stewart, replying to swedenborg, 3, #452 of 1992 🔗

Don’t you underestimate the power to claim victory when the season passes naturally?

359793 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to swedenborg, 3, #453 of 1992 🔗

It is the zero-Covid merchants we should be honing in on. In the same way Toby et al have come under intense scrutiny, these people deserve the heat turning up on them imho

359880 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to swedenborg, 3, #454 of 1992 🔗

The travel ban feels primed for the immunity passport. Just another way to sell the vaccine.

359949 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JHUNTZ, #455 of 1992 🔗

Yet at the same time Democrat governors in the US are suddenly saying that ‘We can’t wait for the vaccine to take effect before we open up businesses again’..

359938 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #456 of 1992 🔗

They are lost. Double down is their only route of travel, to do otherwise would require some humility

359737 ▶ Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 2, #457 of 1992 🔗

This will get the lockdownistas very excited. World leading epidemiologist Devi has more:

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6526/230.full

Try as I may, I cannot find current figures for Manaus. Anyone know a source?

359791 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 2, #458 of 1992 🔗

The authors seems to be complete avoid of any public heath knowledge.Even in the worst scenario 350000 UK deaths in their calculation to achieve herd immunity is still not cost effective at all LD. They should know at least the NICE guidelines quality per year lost guidelines in NHS.Even Fergusson’s worst scenario 500000 was still not cost effective using LD,I think we would in that scenario spend 3 times more for C-19 death than any other death,cancer stroke, etc. And that is in the scenario we should believe their figures.

359931 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #459 of 1992 🔗

I immediately scanned for mention of T Cells.

“Although some have suggested that there may be a degree of preexisting cross-reactive T cell and humoral (antibody-related) immunity against SARS-CoV-2 (3, 4) and that a lower proportion of infection of only 10 to 40% of the population could achieve herd immunity (5), the study of Buss et al. shows that there is no meaningful level of any such immunity.”

Tough week. Only a day or two before you release your paper Public Health England directly contradict your claims.

360467 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #460 of 1992 🔗

And on the subject of t cells
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563/rr-6

359748 ▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #461 of 1992 🔗

The Israeli vaccination figures are depressing. For the over 80s it looks like we are going to see at least 80% uptake. This is a country more than any other that I would expect to see vaccine scepticism. Even on the death figures alone less than 4000 people have died. 0.0004% of the population by my calculation.

For below 60s the grouping where we can confidently state are at negligible risk we can see 42% 50-59 / 22% 40 – 49 / sub 20% below this grouping. Presuming they have prioritised the elderly i’d expect this group to average out at at least 50%.

It’s pretty obvious that the unvvacinated will be a considerable minority wherever it is rolled out.

359811 ▶▶ jb12, replying to JHUNTZ, #462 of 1992 🔗

0.04% surely?

359877 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jb12, #463 of 1992 🔗

i’ve got 4000/9000000=0.0004

Happy to be proved wrong I am not the best at math

359946 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #464 of 1992 🔗

You have to multiply by 100 after the division.

359751 ▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #465 of 1992 🔗

The are serious legal problems with requiring a test to return to your home country as a citizen or having permanent residency in the UK. According to a European Court of Justice decision, Netherlands can not require a test as requisite for coming back to your place of residence. Probably the UK government think they have been smart outsourcing this to airlines, ferry companies, Euro star requiring them to stop all passengers boarding unless having a test. It would be interesting to have a legal opinion if this is really legal in the UK to restrict citizen returning home. The PCR tests reliability might end up in court?

359777 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to swedenborg, 4, #466 of 1992 🔗

In addition, how on earth would it work? Practicality? As a stranger in another country how do you access such a test?

Say for instance you are on holiday in the African bush (no test centres), you then drive 5 hours that day to the airport to catch your flight back to Blighty.

These people makes ~~incoherent~~ plans on the back of a cigarette boxes……

359911 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Victoria, 2, #467 of 1992 🔗

Pretty sure that is what they might call an edge case. They barely care about the mass of the people. Their concern for strange exceptional cases is exactly zero.

359780 ▶▶ stewart, replying to swedenborg, 3, #468 of 1992 🔗

There is what is legal. And then there is what the machinery of the state with its awesome power can accomplish.

The latter is much more relevant these days.

359868 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #469 of 1992 🔗

Yes. If you are a citizen you cannot be prevented according to the Dutch Court. The legal eagles seem utterly redundant so far

359874 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to swedenborg, #470 of 1992 🔗

What is the relevance of European Court of Justice rulings to the United Kingdom?

359901 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #471 of 1992 🔗

We’re a signatory to it, it’s not part of the EU.

359953 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Awkward Git, #472 of 1992 🔗

I think you are thinking of the European Court of Human Rights, which is not part of the European Union and was created under the European Convention on Human Rights, which we are a signatory to. However, the European Court of Justice is an integral part of the European Union.

360163 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Hayes, #473 of 1992 🔗

You’re probably right – all these acronyms muddle the brain.

359944 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to swedenborg, 2, #474 of 1992 🔗

This is true, and caused a lot of problems after Christmas for Brits with residency rights in EU countries. For example the Swedish government initially allowed only their own citizens to return home, in breach of the Withdrawal Agreement. Then they lifted the ban for British residents returning home to Sweden, but mandated a pre-flight Covid test for them (minimum cost £80). However Swedes were not required to take a pre-flight test. Apparently the Swedish constitution does not allow Sweden to forbid their own citizens from returning or put any conditions on them being allowed to enter. But the rule makes a mockery of this only being about a virus, because of course a Covid-free Brit could get infected by an infected Swede on the flight..

359753 ▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 57, #475 of 1992 🔗

Had to pop to the shops.

Mrs Awkward both walking round free-faced with our lanyards on (her’s more visible than mine as she is dreading a confrontation but girding herself for it anyway). Only 2 free-faced in the shop (Morrisons).

2 Police at the self-serve tills, free-faced.

You could hear the tutting and feels the looks by the 60+ scared to die, scared to live generation at the tills casting glances between us and the Police.

The WPC must have forgot something and goes off again, past us, looks, smiles and carries on.

You could imagine the tut tutting and gasps by now.

We finish, walk past the PC waiting for his partner I can feel the “now they are going to get it startes and mutterings. He looks up, I smile, he smiles back, I nod, he hods back, we continue walking past and out the shop.

Did this make an impression on the too scared to live or die brigade? Hopefully.

359771 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #476 of 1992 🔗

Cops in a good mood? Scary…

359788 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Waldorf, 14, #477 of 1992 🔗

I think they are just ones who know the actual law, not fantasy ministerial wishlists made out to be law in press conferences and MSM.

359814 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Waldorf, 4, #478 of 1992 🔗

Good cops, good cops. Whatcha gonna do, Watcha gonna do when they smile at you….

359817 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #479 of 1992 🔗

Lulls them into a false sense of security that you are harmless.

Then you stick the boot in.

360071 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #480 of 1992 🔗

To be honest, the cop could have been parked there to keep the mob off people like us. They’re not all fiends incarnate.

359757 ▶ AethelredTheReadier, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 27, #481 of 1992 🔗

Morning all! Has anyone in the corridors of power and health services thought for one minute about the potentially disastrous effects of so much antibacterial gel/soap being washed into the water supply through this obsession with washing hands? It’s been on my mind for a while that we are basically poisoning the fragile ecosystems downstream – it’s another ticking timebomb because we’ve used so much of this stuff with barely a nod to the damage it inflicts. T riclosan and triclocarban, which are the chemicals used in many of the antibacterial products, do not break down in wastewater treatment. They’ll be washed into streams and rivers where they will kill the microorganisms and bacteria that other life forms depend on and so on up the food chain. It may take a few years to manifest but by then with this mania for antibacterial stuff will have done its work. Any thoughts or experts out there able to advise?

359798 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 10, #482 of 1992 🔗

You make an excellent point about the impact on the environment.

The other massive damage is to the health of all people using anti-bacterial gels (in child’s school up to 12 times per day) as it is absorbed by the skin – think nicotine patch. This also contributes to antibiotic resistance that the Government used to warn us against.

Also anti-bacterials do not kill viruses, only kills bacteria. Soap and hot water still the best!

Did you know that Colgate used to have triclosan as an ingredient in one of their toothpastes? They only recently removed this dangerous chemical after massive pressure from health groups

359818 ▶▶▶ AethelredTheReadier, replying to Victoria, 4, #483 of 1992 🔗

Thank you and yes why use antibacterial gels for a virus? It doesn’t add up.

360077 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 2, #484 of 1992 🔗

It’s very good for the bacteria, which evolve with lightning speed when under this sort of pressure, to become everything-resistant superbugs.

360326 ▶▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to AethelredTheReadier, #485 of 1992 🔗

If an anti bacterial gel is at least 60% alcohol it can kill enveloped viruses.

359855 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 4, #486 of 1992 🔗

Why do people who are afraid of the virus use antibacterials to protect themselves from the virus?

On the point about releasing lots of antibacterials into the environment – I suspect, natural selection will result in the evolution of more bacteria that are antibiotic resistant.

359876 ▶▶▶ AethelredTheReadier, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #487 of 1992 🔗

It’s more nonsense – antibacterials v a virus. I never use their gels. I think it’s high time that this was highlighted in the mainstream media because the point made by Karenovirus is highly pertinent. We are poisoning ourselves and our environment. Too many numpties and people being forced to was their hands with this toxic stuff. It’s a catastrophe waiting in the wings to happen.

359861 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 3, #488 of 1992 🔗

The care worker I posted about earlier this week in a home with a recent Covid outbreak said
‘My fingers are burning, it’s all of us, all the constant sanitizing we have to do loads of times a day because the regulations’.

‘Fingers burning’ does not sound good

359923 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 2, #489 of 1992 🔗

On the other hand Boots the Chemist are currently selling off consumer packaged hand sanitizer @50% off, don’t know if this is because of overstocking or reduced demand.

360063 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 3, #490 of 1992 🔗

I suspect its both. There does seem to be sanitiser fatigue as well, the amount of times I’ve seen the sanitisers in the entrance being ignored is something I’ve lost count of.

360327 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 1, #491 of 1992 🔗

Late August, when I was still working in a coffee shop and was often the person at the door (one reason why I quit) and was supposed to encourage people to use sanitizer, which of course I did not, one customer mentioned to me that many shops had stopped providing it. I just remarked maybe it had gotten too expensive for the shop. Mentioning how useless they are and can damage her health would have fallen on deaf ears.

359989 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 1, #492 of 1992 🔗

But that will prove that humans are damaging the environment, requiring more restrictions on the plebs.

360048 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 8, #493 of 1992 🔗

The greens whipped up hysteria over coffee cups and single use plastics over the last 2-3 years and yet are silent on masks, PPE and sanitiser all of which have shown to be more harmful to the environment.

A colleague was whining to me that the sanitisers were wreaking havoc on her nails. To which I replied: “Stop using the sanitisers and wash your hands with soap & water. It’s not rocket science.”

359772 ▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #494 of 1992 🔗

999 call somewhere in the heart of Ingerland

“Hello, which emergency service do you require”

“Police please”

“Putting you through now. Please stay on the line”

“Police here, how may I help you”

“I wish to report a threat to life”

“Please explain, where are you?”

“I’m in the High Street, it’s a covid breach”

“What’s going on?”

“There is a bloke walking up the High Street towards The Crescent”

“And”

“What do you mean ‘and’

“What’s he doing exactly?”

“I’ve told you he’s walking along the street. Do you want me to give a description?”

“No I don’t need a a description. I need to know exactly what he’s doing”

“I’ve told you, he’s walking along the street”

“What’s wrong with that?”

“What’s wrong with that? How dare you. The government has told us that we must all behave as if we have covid. This guy is not following the spirit of the rules. He should be at home”

“Really?”

“Yes and Priti said it’s our duty to report these selfish people”

“What is your name?”

“I’d prefer to remain anonymous”

“Thank you for your call, we will send the TSG round”

That my 24th call today. Hang on got to go, just seen a couple with a push chair

I implore you all to do your public duty and help us eradicate this killer virus

359816 ▶▶ AethelredTheReadier, replying to Cecil B, 6, #495 of 1992 🔗

How dare they walk up and down the high street apparently acting like normal human beings! We must mask up, shut up and stay in our homes forever to preserve our freedoms of..er..free association, and er.. free speech, oh and free movement…

359867 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cecil B, 10, #496 of 1992 🔗

Nailed it.
Perhaps we should have a similar phone call or talk with our GPs:
“Dr I’d like a test please.”
“Well if you have symptoms of covid, you should probably just stay home for a while…”
“No no, I want tests for ebola & legionnaire’s disease.”
“Why? are you seriously ill? what symptoms do you have?”
“I’m fine. Just took the dog for a run through the woods, I’m fit as a fiddle and haven’t even so much as sneezed in 2 months. But the Government says 33%+ of the population are walking disease vectors and have absolutely no idea they’re lethal killers. So I’d like to demand a test for ebola, & legionnaire’s. Once you’re done with that might as well check me for TB, scarlet fever,& tyhpus. can’t be too careful, can you Dr? Isn’t the whole point of testing to save lives?”

359778 ▶ arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #497 of 1992 🔗

Effing Sage again “Removing coronavirus restrictions at the end of next month would be a “disaster” and put “enormous pressure” on the NHS, a leading epidemiologist has warned.
Professor John Edmunds, who works on the Government’s coronavirus response as part of the scientific advisory group for emergencies (Sage), told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I think it would be a disaster if we removed restrictions in, say, the end of February when we have gone through this first wave of the vaccination.
“First of all vaccines aren’t ever 100% protective, and so even those that have been vaccinated would be still at some risk.
“Secondly, it is only a small fraction of the population who would have been vaccinated and if you look at the hospitalisations at the moment, about half of them are in the under 70s, and they are not in the first wave to be vaccinated.
“If we relaxed our restrictions we would immediately put the NHS under enormous pressure again.”

359782 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to arfurmo, 4, #498 of 1992 🔗

That’s funny, John Edmunds is usually really tentative about proposing sweeping restrictions on our basic liberties, this is so out of character.

359848 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #499 of 1992 🔗

I’ve heard him on the Today Programme and he does not sound ad though he is on the extreme wing of SAGE.

359786 ▶▶ l835, replying to arfurmo, 1, #500 of 1992 🔗

Whitby said after Easter at the earliest.

359804 ▶▶ guy153, replying to arfurmo, 2, #501 of 1992 🔗

If SD has really eradicated flu (which seems implausible) then when we have done all the Covid vaccinations and stop the SD we’re going to have a flu epidemic. Could even happen in the summer.

360025 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to guy153, #502 of 1992 🔗

Surely, though, it was said back in September that flu deaths/admissions were going to be lumped together with ‘covid’ – wasn’t it? Or is that just my fevered imagination at work?

359810 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to arfurmo, 3, #503 of 1992 🔗

He has been one of the worse. Fundamental in sowing the seeds that led to children being demonised. A really bad egg.

360022 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to arfurmo, #504 of 1992 🔗

Well, we must remember:

https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/

359794 ▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #505 of 1992 🔗

Has it been suggested anywhere that humans can be infected by virus infected aerosols landing on their eyes? You don’t have to breath them in.

359803 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #506 of 1992 🔗

Precisely, I don’t wear a mask but I’m “protecting” myself as I wear glasses. Well they are about as effective as a face shield or mask.

359845 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #507 of 1992 🔗

Ear’oles

359988 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to karenovirus, 2, #508 of 1992 🔗

Yep – earoles n orl.

360034 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to karenovirus, 1, #509 of 1992 🔗

Arseholes

359985 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #510 of 1992 🔗

Shushh! You don’t want to give them ideas! We’ll all be in hazmat suits soon enough.

I wonder when they’re going to provide ‘hazardous waste’ bins for all those severely contaminated bits of Chinese paper that people have had wrapped around their snotty noses, pulled on and off by their befouled fingers for (probably) weeks.

360268 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #511 of 1992 🔗

The eye is immunologically sequestered from the rest of the body- “immune privilege”.

359795 ▶ guy153, replying to guy153, 8, #512 of 1992 🔗

You couldn’t make this up. People got all exercised about the “English strain” and now it seems there are dozens of new “strains” being discovered everywhere, each more deadly and mutated than the last.

Why are so many suddenly appearing now? Before the “English strain” out of tens of thousands of variants somewhere between 0 and 1 had been shown to be actual new strains with an observable difference in biology (D614G).

I think we should tell Richard Dawkins because this is clearly evidence that evolution doesn’t work by random mutation and natural selection. There must be some intelligent design going on here for this to be possible.

Antibody escape strains will appear in time but this is just people panicking and doing too much sequencing.

359802 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to guy153, 4, #513 of 1992 🔗

It’s really simple. New strains shift copy.

359842 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #514 of 1992 🔗

And new variant vaccines.

359892 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to guy153, 3, #515 of 1992 🔗

new strains are required when fear levels drop to unacceptable levels

359993 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to guy153, 3, #516 of 1992 🔗

To explain the vaccines not working.

359801 Old Bill, 4, #517 of 1992 🔗

I dreamed last night that every newspaper and media outlet in the UK was running with the following headline this morning:

Johnson: Whilst the defeat of coronaviruses lives firmly within the realms of Science Fiction, the defeat of fascism has multiple real world examples even from living memory. Not only that, but the consequences for the perpetrators are usually very severe.

OK it is not exactly a snappy headline, it wouldn’t even leave room for the latest football results, but it was only a dream.

359805 ▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 29, #518 of 1992 🔗

One has always wondered how millions of Jews walked willingly to there deaths,”just take a shower and all will be well”even though the smell of burning flesh assaulted there nostrils on the morning breeze..
If you need insight into why this happened then look around you, the same mentality is alive and well today and getting stronger….

359836 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #519 of 1992 🔗

Primo Levi ‘The Drowned And The Saved’.

Who survived in concentration camps and who did not.
Why he felt survivor guilt because most survivors were the cunning and mean together with collaborators.

360123 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 5, #520 of 1992 🔗

Or take the Flashman novels.
Flashman is a self-confessed liar, coward, bully and cheat. He ends up laden with honours and enjoying a happy old age. The brave and the good are the ones who end up dead.
The novels are good reading. I now know that their assessment of human nature is a hundred per cent accurate.

360559 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 2, #521 of 1992 🔗

I don’t take Flashman’s cowardice in the novels entirely at face value – genuine cowards do not have so many adventures. His “cowardice” often comes across as prudence or pragmatism.

359806 Major Panic, 4, #522 of 1992 🔗

That was an excellent talk radio interview/discussion with Toby and the Dr posted on todays LS page Toby was excellent

I suspect that a debate between the Dr and a pro GBD Dr/prof type would be very helpful.

My money would be on the pro GBD argument

359815 ▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #523 of 1992 🔗

Been to the market this morning

Del Boy was there trying to flog his discounted Peckham Spring Strain from an old suitcase

360659 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Cecil B, #524 of 1992 🔗

I tbought the photos of the research lab were well known

359819 ▶ alw, replying to alw, 6, #525 of 1992 🔗

1. We are all being asked to give things up to deal with this problem, but the sacrifices are not evenly distributed Sunetra Gupta.2. “We are seeing inequality within countries grow. You are seeing low-skilled workers being much harder hit, women being much harder hit, younger people being much harder hit than others are,” (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1349820641705398272 )

359826 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to alw, 8, #526 of 1992 🔗

The billionaires, however, are doing extremely well. The coronavirus responses have effected a massive transfer of wealth, from those lower down the socio-economic order to those at the very top.

359854 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #527 of 1992 🔗

It’s very convenient that….

359821 Bella Donna, #528 of 1992 🔗

https://img.mewe.com/api/v2/photo/fil9JNTWgPAgNkJP4pHgcfNxaV1jlS7CCX8WMol48DZgAej7Y240fSWRBS4/800×800/img?static=0

359824 ▶ HobbyGobbyGold, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 1, #529 of 1992 🔗

I wonder if anyone here can shed light on what appears to be a discrepancy in mortality data? Whilst I see many assessments of IFR <1%, the ‘worldometer’ data consistently shows deaths at 3% of ‘cases which had an outcome’. Further, the current figures for the UK show 1,282 deaths per million against 48,708 cases per million – giving a figure of 2.63%. Is this perhaps related to the ‘from CV / with CV’ argument and differing reporting criteria ? I have no bias, just interested.

359831 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 3, #530 of 1992 🔗

Surely the 3% is the CFR (case fatality rate) I.e confirmed ‘cases’ / deaths. IFR is total number of infections / death and is more of an unknown figure and will be lower than CFR.

360037 ▶▶▶ HobbyGobbyGold, replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), -1, #531 of 1992 🔗

Thanks S299 – that clarifies my mis-interpretation.

359844 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 1, #532 of 1992 🔗

The less than 1% is based on the global median. Some regions have seen disproportionate impact.

As studies have shown your impact is largely in line with pre lockdown demographics and health, lockdowns do nothing much to move the dial

359830 ▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 8, #533 of 1992 🔗

“ A further 1,280 people with coronavirus have died in the UK within 28 days of a positive test”

Let’s put this in context.

10,000 – 12,000 people at this time of year die every week

So, about 2-3% of these appear to die with a PCR+ result

… which we know, is a massive overstatement of actual infection and deaths from SARS-CoV-2

Thus can innumeracy and ignorance provide inflation.

359852 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to RickH, 1, #534 of 1992 🔗

On the NHS/Gov dashboard they publish the deaths within 28 days of a test figure and the weekly total of registered deaths with covid on the death cert. The deaths within 28 days figure is usually way higher than the registered deaths figure but they seem to see no reason to explain this and just run with the bigger figure to keep the scares up.

359832 ▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #535 of 1992 🔗

I’m wondering whether I’m being paranoid (though that’s quite a good state of mind to be in these days) and reading too much into Bozo’s banging on about not touching things that an ‘infected’ person has touched in yesterday’s televised fear booster. What is said on a Friday always seems to develop into some policy change over the weekend. It seemed completely bizarre, especially given the points made ATL today, but likely setting the scene for some new lunacy. Any thoughts?

359839 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #536 of 1992 🔗

Gloves mandated?

359870 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to CGL, 2, #537 of 1992 🔗

Although that would be ridiculous and pointless enough to be considered desirable by our persecutors I am thinking more along the lines of the increasing perception of personal threat strategy and how the ground might be laid for a tighter lockdown and further reducing rights to leave home.

360020 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to CGL, 1, #538 of 1992 🔗

Quite possible, especially if any ministers’ mates can procure gloves. But the aim of this is probably simple – to remind the sheeple that they need to tremble in fear every time they touch a can of beans in Tesco.

360345 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to CGL, #539 of 1992 🔗

What is the point of gloves? They do not have a viruskilling substance in them.
There was a very good video in spring about a nurse demonstrating with green slime how virus transfer from gloves to objects and back.
actually the same experiment with skin might actually reduce the amount of slime, as it will dry better.

360289 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #540 of 1992 🔗

I think they are just running out of things to harangue us about. they’ve been through all the basic hygeine measures and are on repeat. Last week it was coffee, now it’s hands. Desperate.

359834 ▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #541 of 1992 🔗

My most recent missive to Ireland’s Taoiseach (Prime Minister):

Dear Mr Martin

You have only just apologised for the actions of the child fucking regime of the world in running their baby mills for Americans aka Mother and Baby Homes (whilst continuing to deny the children involved birth certs). What date is scheduled for the apology for lockdowns and the mandatory vaccination passports you refused to disown in the last few days?

It is normally 30 years or more before the Irish State admits wrong – why wait until 2050 for the State apology to be issued – end the lockdowns, pass laws that requires Health Sector staff to carry out whatever job they are told to do or lose everything (remember, constitutional rights are not absolute per the Waters and O’Doherty case) and apologise to and properly compensate those who have been screwed by your lockdowns. A good start in paying for such compensation would be a 20% reduction in the accumulated pension years of all public servants who had not retired/resigned by 31 March 2020 as by staying in service as “essential” workers, they accepted their role in the Tyrannical regime that has been in power since.

359903 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #542 of 1992 🔗

Link to the Waters case?

359837 ▶ Adamb, replying to Adamb, 12, #543 of 1992 🔗

My god, sorry if everyone’s already seen it, but just came across this abomination in the telegraph website. How about ‘life’ thrives on human contact??

359846 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Adamb, 3, #544 of 1992 🔗

Quick everyone – into your bubbles – that’s literally one each now

359851 ▶▶ AethelredTheReadier, replying to Adamb, 6, #545 of 1992 🔗

Yes, it’s everywhere, seemingly on many websites, the ultimate in propaganda. We have become the de facto Rebel Alliance and must develop Jedi-like skills to counter all this nonsense.

360000 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AethelredTheReadier, #546 of 1992 🔗

And covered bus stops

359965 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Adamb, 1, #547 of 1992 🔗

Good one Adamb

359986 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Adamb, 1, #548 of 1992 🔗

ffs

360023 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Adamb, #549 of 1992 🔗

?dl=0

360106 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Adamb, 2, #550 of 1992 🔗

That is truly, truly horrible. Without human contact there is no humanity. What sort of mind do you need to have in order to think up this poison?

360503 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Annie, #551 of 1992 🔗

A lack of a mind? Or of a soul.

360113 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Adamb, 2, #552 of 1992 🔗

The NHS should be complained to the ASA over that as its misleading, wrong and its perpetuating Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.

360694 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Adamb, 1, #553 of 1992 🔗

Body condoms. We’ve all got to pull together, a safe distance apart, and do everything we can, and that, ladies and gentlemen, means body condoms. Yep. So suck it up, do your bit, and make with the latex. We’re all in this together, a safe distance apart.

360972 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Adamb, #554 of 1992 🔗

Thank god I run adblock and dont ever see such things!

359838 Banjones, 2, #555 of 1992 🔗

Just come in. Saw the headline. Two words: bloody bonkers.

359841 JHUNTZ, 3, #556 of 1992 🔗

(5) Morrisons Accepted DISCRIMINATION Hampshire Police Attend https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f694.svg ANTI RIGHTS – YouTube

Its a long un but highlights the bollocks we’re up against. Of course the non mask wearer is the criminal in the police’s opinion always.

359843 ▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #557 of 1992 🔗

Just sent this to No.10 via their website:

Why are shops so dangerous? Easy! Surely SAGE can figure it out? Because people are wearing virus/bacteria laden dirty face coverings/masks, cough and sneeze into them, play with them every few seconds then touch the food/tins sometimes picking it up then putting it back and spreading all those deadly germs around. If you nor your advisors can figure this out then it’s time you got new advisors, I’m available at good rates as you have destroyed my business and I’m at a loose end. I figured this out for you so better than SAGE members aren’t I? Solutions:

1 – chop off everybody’s hands so that they cannot touch their masks then the food – government/SAGE overreaction policy based on past year

2 – teach everybody not to do this, not possible, people to stupid in general

3 – get rid of facecovering requirement and go back to policies preMarch 23rd 2020 that were working – Ask Whitty, he stated on 21st July 2020 that the original policies were working. I look forward to the job

If we all sent something similar then do you think they might get the message that we are not as stupid as they are?

360053 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #558 of 1992 🔗

Just before the muzzle mandate came in, I went shopping. It was one of my better experiences. People were courteous, stepping aside, allowing space, smiling (because things seemed more positive then) and all in all there was an air of optimism.

Then, suddenly, this barking mad muzzle tripe came in, and suddenly people were pushy, grim, unfriendly, suspicious (obviously with no opportunity to smile or signal friendliness) and it all felt threatening and dark. And that’d be where the extra contamination began, if it did – though I don’t actually believe it made much difference.

Speaking of Wittery, remember what he said in May:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be

360278 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Banjones, #559 of 1992 🔗

So true. July it was a pleasure to shop. And people were courteous and careful. Other than the corner shop, I’ve only been into a shop once since July. All that extra money i would have spent browsing, gone.

359858 ▶ NickR, replying to NickR, 12, #560 of 1992 🔗

If we look at the all-cause mortality figures and strip out the Covid deaths then apparently we should be enjoying the lowest rate of death ever!

359881 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NickR, 9, #561 of 1992 🔗

I have had some exchanges on twitter with some people who do indeed believe that all the masks and distancing etc. have been so helpful that if we now eradicated covid we would now be having the lowest death rate ever known. Face-masks and distancing are so good we are clearly on the run-in to eternal life!
I am inclined to think these people still believe in the tooth fairy and that there is gold at the end of the rainbow!

359885 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to NickR, 1, #562 of 1992 🔗

covid is the wonder cure for traditional causes of end of life deaths

359927 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 1, #563 of 1992 🔗

Well done, Nick, for pointing out this anomaly.

Of course, the trouble is that the quantity of ‘Covid’ deaths is totally unknown – a rather peculiar anomaly when SARS-CoV-2 is the top and bottom of supposed concern!

360014 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 1, #564 of 1992 🔗

After a year, very little seems to have been established about covid, by anyone anywhere. Or if it has, the findings have not been publicised widely because they do not fit the narrative

Govts and SAGE-like bodies everywhere seem uncurious about covid, almost as if they didn’t care because they are blindly following Plan A

360067 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to NickR, 2, #565 of 1992 🔗

As one of Ivor Cummins’ graphs showed, if you take out the deaths of people over 80 back in April, the ”spike” almost disappears.

359860 ▶ mikec, replying to mikec, 20, #566 of 1992 🔗

Are we turning into a group of navel gazers, questioning ourselves because the narrative is being controlled by Her Majesty’s Govt?

Let’s not lose sight of the fact that we are LOCKDOWN sceptics, not Covid deniers or anti-vaxxers, we are against the effects of totally useless lockdowns. We know (fact) that domestic violence reports have rocketed, kids have died at the hands of their parents, people have been denied lifesaving surgery/treatment, people are dying needlessly at home because they are afraid of catching Covid in hospital and if those aren’t enough, businesses are failing, unemployment is at record levels and our kids/grandkids education and financial futures have been ruined because of the hysteria stoked by Western governments. They abandoned their well understood plans for a pandemic to copy the communists.

Toby is a big lad, with broad shoulders, he knows he gets stuff wrong as we all do. But you can’t beat the argument that Lockdowns don’t work, they are more damaging than the disease itself.

359915 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to mikec, 10, #567 of 1992 🔗

Trying to think positively I like to think of what we are promoting not we we are protesting about.
FREEDOM
I find it hard to understand how cheaply people seem to hold their freedoms and human rights and civil liberties. For me the freedom of movement should be sacrosanct. when in Folsom Prison Blues, Johnny Cash sang, ‘but that train keeps a moving and that’s what tortures me’ I know exactly what he meant. I have always held the freedom of movement to be one of my most important birthrights as a UK person and I amazed at how readily so many have been prepared to give it up.

360058 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #568 of 1992 🔗

Spot on, Steve. Of all this, the loss of freedom of movement is THE most sinister.

360188 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #569 of 1992 🔗

This, to me, is the best argument and cuts through all the wrangling over statistics. You simply do not remove the basic human rights of the entire population as a means of disease control in free societies. This was accepted wisdom right up until last year, when first Italy and then most of the rest of the world decided to take their lead from the Chinese Communist Party. Even Ferguson admitted he didn’t think they could “get away with it” in Western democracies.

360287 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #570 of 1992 🔗

Yes, this was the hardest thing for me. Even though I had seen some evidence in my research that freedom in democracies was eroding, with the young, in particular, not valuing it, I was still taken aback by how quickly people in Western countries threw their freedom away. If we somehow get through the current episode of the Rona and things improve this summer, I don’t think it will be like 2019. I fear that the world we had before this shitshow is gone, probably for a generation (at least). All the authoritarians, from shop security guards to Xi Jinping, will have noticed how easy it was to strip people in the West of their ‘precious’ freedom, and it will be very easy to do it again and again. I’m so glad I don’t have children. The situation really is that grim, I fear.

359863 ▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 12, #571 of 1992 🔗

This is getting nasty guys. Two rozzers outside.

359869 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to kh1485, 3, #572 of 1992 🔗

Wishing luck, get video!

360274 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #573 of 1992 🔗

Perhaps some entrepreneur here should start up an employment website for ‘sceptics’. A ‘labour support’ (LS) for those who need work but are also prepared to abide by the ‘law’ but only to the letter.

359873 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 18, #574 of 1992 🔗

Edit: They walked past and when they saw me look at them, turned round and knocked on the door. We opened it and they demanded to know why we weren’t wearing masks – in our own shop.

359887 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 7, #575 of 1992 🔗

Show them your risk assessment that says your staff do not need to wear face coverings as they do not meet “in close contact” statement in the legislation.

Covered very well on laworfiction.

359895 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #576 of 1992 🔗

Thanks AG. There’s just the two of us here atm. Business partner told them we are both ‘exempt’ and then shut the door in their face.

360042 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 9, #577 of 1992 🔗

My experience of officialdom is that you blind them with paperwork. That’s what we did with university inspections.

Greet the rozzers with a beaming smile, say ” I’m so glad you asked that question, here is our risk assessment “. Present them with a folder complete with risk assessment, government guidelines, the legal bits, scientific trials, WHO quotes, anything looking official. Talk them through the bits they want to know.

Also have a section listing official contact and ask them their name and work id so you can document their visit. Do this while smiling sweetly through gritted teeth.

If you need help getting all the info together I have a computer, keyboard, printer, that interweb thingy and a bit of brain.

I used to run my own business and know how alone you can feel. Nil illegitimi carborundum.

359928 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to kh1485, 8, #578 of 1992 🔗

give them tea and invite them to have a seat in your shop, then video.

359864 ▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #579 of 1992 🔗

The unblinking Whitty has convinced me that it is being run by lizards

360282 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, #580 of 1992 🔗

They must have ‘given him something’ since May 2020. Or made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. He seemed quite human then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be

359865 ▶ crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 18, #581 of 1992 🔗

I notice that the Astrazeneca vaccine trials took place in UK, South Africa and Brazil.
So I guess it is a coincidence that the mutant variants recently appeared came from these countries.

359925 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #582 of 1992 🔗

hell of a coincidence

359982 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to crimsonpirate, #583 of 1992 🔗

2 Brazil mutants now apparently, R2 News 11am

360027 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to karenovirus, 3, #584 of 1992 🔗

yes, the mutant party all night viruses, rife in Rio – very dangerous to UK covid propaganda efforts

360096 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 2, #585 of 1992 🔗

Viruses mutate – do these clever advisors not know that? Ahh they do but rather use it to scare the public and fully decimate the economy

359871 ▶ dhid, replying to dhid, 4, #586 of 1992 🔗

I’m sorry if some her may consider this pointless but I am seriously pissed of by several responses by “OKUK” to a simple link I posted to Tobys appearance on Talk Radio yesterday evening, in yesterdays comments. I posted it in case anyone would like to see/hear it.

The link went to about 30 seconds before Toby was introduced by the host.

I originally described it as an “interview” but, as was pointed out by Alice in the thread it may have been more correctly been described as a “debate”, which I acknowledged.

OKUKs first response was, “ How many mins in?” to which I replied, “Link should take you to just before interview starts.”

There followed a ludicrous ranting response from “OKUK” which ended up with him/her/it calling me a 77th liar which I find deeply offensive, frankly.

I was going to ignore it and said I was going to bed but “OKUK” continued with the bile.

I have, I admit, added some slightly “choice” language responses to the thread this morning, for which, I make no apology.

I would be interested to think what people think about “OKUK”s response to a simple link I posted to an interview/debate with the guy, Toby of course, who started this site and to whom I, and I suspect many others, are very grateful for doing so.

I am a pretty robust character and can dish it as well as take it, but I was seriously pissed off by the completely unwarranted crap from “OKUK”. Frankly I would suggest that people like him/her/it are likely to make other people suggest this site is a bunch of loonies – which it clearly isn’t!

Link to post:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/15/latest-news-255/#comment-359079

359882 ▶▶ Basics, replying to dhid, #587 of 1992 🔗

The link takes me to the top of yesterdays page. I have not yet managed to make comment links successfully work. Hope others can follow to the comment.

359912 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Basics, #588 of 1992 🔗

It takes quite a while in my browser before it eventually goes to the relevant comment which it rather strangely puts at the top of the comments but under the main page content. I think it might behave differently in various browsers, but thanks for trying to look!

359907 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to dhid, 1, #589 of 1992 🔗

I would suggest that OKUK misunderstood (probably due to impatience).

359920 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Hayes, #590 of 1992 🔗

If you looked at the response I think it is frankly utterly insane.
Just my opinion of course.

359983 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to dhid, 1, #591 of 1992 🔗

I saw at the time. I put it down to the collective madness being very trying for all of us.

360029 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Hayes, #592 of 1992 🔗

I think it’s a little more than that frankly.
The guy is loony tunes.

359916 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to dhid, 3, #593 of 1992 🔗

I think we’re all cacooned in our house and heavily pissed off with the situation. Not justifying whatever took place but just some context.

359919 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to dhid, 3, #594 of 1992 🔗

the comments section here is a mixed bag with (thankfully) no censorship as far as I am aware. Its unlikely anyone remembers who said what in yesterdays comments

What works for me is not taking myself or anyone else too seriously

359930 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Major Panic, #595 of 1992 🔗

Yes I know what you mean, but the response was particularly annoying as it was a response to a simple link I made to an appearance by Toby, and cast doubt on my loyalty to my country which seriously pissed me off given the context – have you looked at the comment?

359981 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to dhid, 2, #596 of 1992 🔗

Looks like a technical glitch to me. Not sure how something so innocuous ended up in an argument. But we are all understandably stressed at the moment and text chats can be easy to misinterpret. Best to let go of it, more important things to worry about.

360024 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to TheBluePill, #597 of 1992 🔗

Have you actually looked at his response? – I suspect not.

360040 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to dhid, 1, #598 of 1992 🔗

I did actually. I’m sorry you got upset by it, we have probably all had a similar experience, especially if this is the first time we have actively participated on message threads. I had something similar a few months ago where I got offended by something on here. Let it go and move on.

360050 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to TheBluePill, #599 of 1992 🔗

I’m certainly not new here and normally I would just tell them to fuck themselves, but this is different, the scumbag owes me an apology, no-one casts doubt on my loyalty to my country. No-one.

360059 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to dhid, 2, #600 of 1992 🔗

Ok, I see there is no progress to be made here, bye!

360089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to TheBluePill, #601 of 1992 🔗

lol – bye!

360004 ▶▶ Julian, replying to dhid, 7, #602 of 1992 🔗

I didn’t see the thread so cannot comment on the specifics

Obviously with a largely unmoderated comment section you will get comments that are, to some eyes, immoderate, but that IMO is vastly preferable to the alternative, as we have seen from what is happening on mainstream social media

In general the level of debate on LS is much higher than most places I have ever experienced

360038 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Julian, #603 of 1992 🔗

I would ask you to actually look at the comment – when someone accuses me of being disloyal to my country, above almost anything else, seriously pisses me off.

Mud, even if thrown my a mentally ill fool, sticks!

360119 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to dhid, 1, #604 of 1992 🔗

Am I bovvered though

360126 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Tee Ell, #605 of 1992 🔗

lol!

359875 ▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #606 of 1992 🔗

Netanyahu is sitting against that most Israeli of all colours purple above the line their getting his jab, I notice.

359942 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Basics, 3, #607 of 1992 🔗

Puple/Magenta. It does seem to be the backdrop of the current pandemic. It’s an interesting colour choice. It’s non-spectral so it doesn’t have its own wavelength, it doesn’t appear in rainbows, so in a sense, doesn’t really exist. It also interesting long standing cultural connotations with magic, mystery and rule. Just a coincidence probably.

“When the human race learns to read the language of symbolism, a great veil will fall from the eyes of men.” – Manly P Hall

359879 Chris Little, 4, #608 of 1992 🔗

I see ITV are flashing little boxes in the top left corner of the screen at the start of programmes pushing the Covid propaganda, you know “stay at home” and all that. To my mind this is subliminal advertising, which has been illegal in the UK since 1958. Surely ITV must be stopped from doing this & given hefty fines. Do I report it to the police as a crime being committed? Any legal eagles out there have any thoughts on this.

359886 ▶ james007, replying to james007, 20, #609 of 1992 🔗

Remember when top political commentators were saying what a nightmare Starmer would be for Johnson?
His forensic examination of policy, his attention to detail, his intelligence.
It turns out his line on everything is ‘Yes but, should’ve been sooner’.

360008 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to james007, 1, #610 of 1992 🔗

He just sits on the fence to see which way the wind blows. Though Doris does that too.

360017 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to james007, 7, #611 of 1992 🔗

That’s the answer he’s been told to give by his handlers at the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg club.

No thinking involved on his part.

360083 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to james007, 2, #612 of 1992 🔗

Also that deer in the headlights look in his eyes.

360383 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to james007, 1, #613 of 1992 🔗

Don’t forget his appearance on Andrew Marr a couple of months back: ‘Everything the Government does.. we will support that.’

359888 ▶ NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #614 of 1992 🔗

The latest data from the NHS was published yesterday. I offer no commentary other than to say it’s weird.
The average number of available General & Acute Adult beds during the 4th quarter of 2019 in English hospitals was 102,194 .
As at 8am of the 12th Jan 2021 there were 86,105 , that’s 16% fewer beds available now than a year ago.
During the 4th quarter of 2019 there were on average 90,309 occupied beds.
On the 12th Jan there were 78,306 occupied beds, so there are 15% fewer people in English hospitals now than a year ago.
I gave this information to a friend who said it was because a lack of space in hospitals & too few staff, so I looked it these claims.
In 2010 there were 122,551 available beds, 42% more than are available today. I didn’t notice 42% of the hospitals being demolished so presumably the space is still there. If the hospitals are jammed with covid patients why do they need extra space, you could jam them in like sardines and give space for the alleged dwindling number of non-covid patients.
As to staffing, while beds are down 42% we have, according to the Nuffield Trust https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/the-nhs-workforce-in-numbers#2-what-is-the-overall-shortfall-in-staff-in-the-nhs 44% more doctors than 2004 and 1% more nurses than 2009. So more medic looking after fewer beds.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/Weekly-covid-admissions-and-beds-publication-210114.xlsx
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/bed-availability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/

359905 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to NickR, 7, #615 of 1992 🔗

So number of people requiring hospital services are normal for time of year

what we have is a NHS management problem not caused by the predictable annual respiratory disease illnesses

359909 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 2, #616 of 1992 🔗

Shhhh! That’s a bit too much reality. You need to be censored!

359984 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to NickR, 3, #617 of 1992 🔗

If you look at the MSM photo opps of “overwhelmed” hospitals, you will always see at least 6 or 7 medical staff looking after 1 patient.

360068 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to NickR, #618 of 1992 🔗

This is a very important post. Some one should be able to make hay with this.

360075 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Bugle, #619 of 1992 🔗

Nobody is listening.
Nobody wants to listen.
Except the few rebels on here, that is.

360070 ▶▶ stewart, replying to NickR, 1, #620 of 1992 🔗

This was all touched upon in yesterday’s LS newsletter.

COVID has led to a giant cover up of the complete mismanagement of the health service, perpetrated by the politicians and administrators who manage the health service.

Here is the UN’s pre-coronavirus projection of the UK’s death rate. We recently reached a trough and it now climbs steadily and naturally because the population is ageing.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/death-rate

They have not prepared for this at all, in the same way that they have not prepared properly for the economic stress of more pensions and less tax receipts.

360105 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to NickR, #621 of 1992 🔗

Good info thanks. Just to add if I’ve understood correctly the number of nurses has increased by +-1% per year, rather than 1% over the whole 11 year period.

360166 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Tee Ell, #622 of 1992 🔗

According to the Nuffield Trust data 1% over the period. But at a time when hospital beds have dropped by 42% it says something.

360328 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to NickR, #623 of 1992 🔗

I might be looking in the wrong place, I was seeing 167,200 -> 191,600 and reading this as a 14.5% increase?

360335 ▶▶ stevie, replying to NickR, #624 of 1992 🔗

Maybe the managers used the freed up space for offices.

359893 Pangolin Sandwich, 29, #625 of 1992 🔗

This deadly pandemic has one hell of a marketing campaign behind it.

I was under the impression that pandemics usually sold themselves pretty well tbh – bodies in the street, friends, family, neighbours dying….. that sort of thing. Doesn’t require a lot of advertising space. Pretty self-evident, ya know? Seems to be a funny sort of pandemic.

Oh well, I’m sure it’s nothing. Oh hey, look, a squirrel!

359896 ▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Crimson Avenger, 11, #626 of 1992 🔗

The prime minister has called for all girls (in the world) to get 12 years of education. Has he overlooked anything do you think?

360342 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Crimson Avenger, #627 of 1992 🔗

Why doesn’t he look at his own backyard because kids regardless of gender are currently NOT getting an education?

Glass houses and stones comes to mind.

359899 ▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 4, #628 of 1992 🔗

It occurs to me that, as Hebrew is read from right to left, those charts out of Israel may be telling an entirely different story…

360002 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 1, #629 of 1992 🔗

Funny. You should see the Chinese ones!

359904 RickH, 19, #630 of 1992 🔗

Interesting to see that Emma Barnett actually got a slap on the wrist re. her remarks slandering Mike Yeadon.

She has been consistently a perfect example of the current clutch of networked crap journalists – appointed for non-journalistic reasons.

359908 ▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 27, #631 of 1992 🔗

Sorry to go on about this, but another policeman has just walked past the front of the shop and is looking in. This is clearly a concerted attempt to intimidate us.

359914 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 3, #632 of 1992 🔗

Did the cop have a FN on?

359936 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Two-Six, 2, #633 of 1992 🔗

Probably, but I couldn’t quite see.

360250 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 1, #634 of 1992 🔗

ug, nightmare. This is so sinister. just so wrong.

359918 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 6, #635 of 1992 🔗

Not necessarily, could be just smelling the wonderful coffee and wishing it was time for a break.

359933 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to bluemoon, 16, #636 of 1992 🔗

No, it’s intimidation, believe me. I’m not paranoid. I don’t *believe* and they don’t like it.

359948 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to kh1485, 5, #637 of 1992 🔗

With you in spirit, kh – wish we could do more. They can try to intimidate, but keep rejecting the feelings of intimidation.

359937 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to kh1485, 3, #638 of 1992 🔗

Do you sell food, that’s why they usually hang around

359956 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 13, #639 of 1992 🔗

Sorry to have a sense of humour failure here, but I am being intimidated pure and simple. I am frightened by this, sorry to sound wussy, but I am. Threat of court action yesterday and now this.

359976 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to kh1485, 7, #640 of 1992 🔗

Micro aggressions are a hate crime – video them all in case you need the evidence in future.

359994 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to vargas99, 5, #641 of 1992 🔗

Yes, collect evidence.

359992 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 4, #642 of 1992 🔗

Do you have a local Hells Angels who could provide backup? Or any bikers really, they always look formidable in all that gear. Mention your joint on local biker groups.

360003 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to thinkaboutit, 6, #643 of 1992 🔗

I’m not sure. Will do. I could do with either Bruce Reynolds or Biker right now!

360481 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to kh1485, 2, #644 of 1992 🔗

I ride a motorcycle. I’m 6′ without shoes, and slim. But with armoured bike gear can look pretty big and menacing if necessary. :>)

360007 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to kh1485, 5, #645 of 1992 🔗

Sorry, didnt mean to sound flippant, it must be worrying when its your livelihood.

360018 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 14, #646 of 1992 🔗

I know, sorry, just a bit stressed out atm. It’s not just my livelihood, it’s my freedom aswell. I am so worried I will lose my rag and say something that they could ‘get’ me on. There is no-one now that I trust. If I was ever in need of assistance, I would never trust the police, ever.

360030 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to kh1485, 3, #647 of 1992 🔗

Years ago, I knew a pub owner who used to do after hour lock in’s, the police started to come around and make a nuisance of themselves, so he invited them in, they became regulars.

360551 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to DanClarke, 1, #648 of 1992 🔗

Sounds like the police.
Jimmy Savile apparently invited people around on a regular basis for tea and biscuits. The biscuits were cheap stuff – he was a bit of a miser along with all his other negative qualities – but the people he invited round tended to be police inspectors and suchlike. His apparent immunity from prosecution may have owed something to that.

360010 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to kh1485, 9, #649 of 1992 🔗

Could you video him, which you are perfectly entitled to do, and post it somewhere and explain you think he’s trying to intimidate you?

Maybe he could get banned from being served by other food outlets. I appreciate it might be a bit of a provocation which you might want to avoid though perhaps, in which case you could video him and send a copy to someone you trust to keep a copy of as evidence. Just a thought.

359945 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 10, #650 of 1992 🔗

You’re doing a first rate job. Please don’t be intimidated. I assume take away only in this weather is hardly making you any money (probably costing you?) but your standing up to be counted is much appreciated.
That said, if it all gets too much I’m sure we would all understand if you felt you needed a break.

359950 ▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, 5, #651 of 1992 🔗

hide the doughnuts…

359967 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to kh1485, 4, #652 of 1992 🔗

Do you know the official international police greeting hand signal? It goes like this:

Imagine you’re playing Yahtzee. You’ve just put the dice in the cup, and you’re giving them a good vigourous shake.

Pop him one of those, and with a big friendly grin too. It’ll cheer him up no end.

359998 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 4, #653 of 1992 🔗

I loved the hand gestures in that video clip of the Italian restaurant chasing out the police.

360016 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #654 of 1992 🔗

Lol, same here. Nobody gesticulates with more passion and creativity than an enraged Italian.

360009 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 19, #655 of 1992 🔗

Keep a diary listing everytime it happens – date, time, number of police, badge numbers if you can etc. even if they never speak to you

Once it’s happened 3 or 4 times make an official complaint for harassment, intimidation and destruction of business due to their presence affecting the business’ reputation to the force complaints department and the chief constable and threaten to take it higher if they do not give a satisfactory response.

Works – I was once stopped 3 times in the same day by the same traffic policeman but never given a ticket, complained about harassment, nice apology, traffic policemen would look a ay when I drove past his hidey hole.

If their answer contains words like guidance or guidelines point out these are not legally enforceable as have no force in law etc.

Ask for the evidence “covid safe” measures will work as they claim. Will post the FOI answer I get back from the HS+E about this very subject when I get it in a month or so.

Son last year was also stopped on numerous occasions walking the street by the same Polish policemen when he was there over the course of a week. Went to the station, complained, got really nice apology and the policeman a formal written warning.

360031 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #656 of 1992 🔗

As ever, thanks AG. I really hope I get to meet all you people at some stage as you have all been a tower of strength. Thanks again one and all.

360076 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 4, #657 of 1992 🔗

Really looking forward to a coffee at your establishment as soon as possible.

360088 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to WasSteph, 1, #658 of 1992 🔗

Me too.

360151 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 1, #659 of 1992 🔗

If I’m ever out and about delivering in Saffron Walden I’ll try and find the sceptic cafe in town to take a break.

360159 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #660 of 1992 🔗

Would love to meet you. Met a few people already from this site which has been lovely. I can always recognise a fellow sceptic – they’re the only ones (other than the ahem Book Club and a few regulars) who come in maskless!

360300 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 3, #661 of 1992 🔗

I have got a plan kh. A lot of us would love to visit your coffee shop, but obviously we can’t travel because – well, you know why.

But there are exceptions. You can travel to get a covid test so why not pop along to your local testing centre, book about 20 tests and send them out to fellow LD sceptics.

We can then travel without getting arrested and when we get to Saffron Walden we will all get lost and end up at your cafe instead of the testing station!

360217 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 5, #662 of 1992 🔗

2 legal teams to know:

Francis Hoar’s legal team: clerks@fieldcourt.co.uk

laworfiction run y a lawyer: laworfiction@gmail.com

359929 ▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #663 of 1992 🔗

When or if this terrible plague is over, I intend to visit all the mass graves we were told would be required so I can put some flowers on them.

Could somebody inform me where they are?

359947 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Smelly Melly, 15, #664 of 1992 🔗

In the high street.

359996 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Smelly Melly, #665 of 1992 🔗

My cousin in NZ asked me about them, god knows what they are being told over there

360044 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to DanClarke, 1, #666 of 1992 🔗

You should download some mass grave images from the web and send them to your cousin.

And update them daily with reports about how the government here is really covering up the number of deaths, that the number cannot be trusted, that in reality there are probably 10 times more than the reported figure. Minimum.

360716 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Smelly Melly, #667 of 1992 🔗

They probably use the bodies in a furnace to heat No 10 and 11 – well the suicides anyway.

359932 ▶ DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 6, #668 of 1992 🔗

If Johnson was really determined to ‘follow the science’, he totally ignored WHO, who have said from the beginning that lockdown’s cause poverty and are set to put 100 million into extreme poverty

360039 ▶▶ stewart, replying to DanClarke, 3, #669 of 1992 🔗

Science is now a religion. Like the muslim religion, with its factions, Shias and Sunnis. Or christians, with protestants and catholics.

Our “science” Mullahs are lockdown freaks. The WHO Mullahs are a bit less radical.

359934 ▶ Janette, replying to Janette, 12, #670 of 1992 🔗

Not sure if anyone has suggested this but could we not have a Boo for Boris on Thursdays at 8pm?

359964 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Janette, #671 of 1992 🔗

Yes it has but it’s still a great idea.

359972 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Janette, #672 of 1992 🔗

The support isn’t there for a boo. Yet.

359940 ▶ guy153, replying to guy153, 3, #673 of 1992 🔗

According to this the British public believe Covid is 10x more deadly than it is:

https://fullfact.org/health/why-poll-gives-misleading-view-how-many-people-public-think-covid-19-has-killed/

Efficacy of vaccine: 62%
Efficacy of the truth: 90%

359958 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to guy153, 5, #674 of 1992 🔗

Several months ago I met one of those who thought 7% of the population had died.
I pointed out that was the population of London and more.

359980 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to karenovirus, 3, #675 of 1992 🔗

What a complete dimwit

360541 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 1, #676 of 1992 🔗

Stupidity and fear – a dangerous combination.

359973 ▶▶ Julian, replying to guy153, 4, #677 of 1992 🔗

Of course anything Toby Young says will be seen as misleading by Fullfact.

To summarise: TY used a mean average – people on average believe that covid has killed 10% of the population

Using the median, the figure is closer to 1%

1% is still 10 times as much as the official “covid” death toll. And almost 50% of people think it is higher than 1%.

359979 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, 2, #678 of 1992 🔗

Exactly fact check actually proves our point as is often the case.

360482 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Julian, 1, #679 of 1992 🔗

I think it’s reasonable to use the median.

But my point is about all these people like teachers bleating about how they want the vaccine– the vax means their risk of death is 38% what it was before. But it’s only 10% of what they thought it was in the first place.

359991 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to guy153, 11, #680 of 1992 🔗

My 78 year old aunt said in a totally depressed voice, that 1,023 people had died today, I said that’s better than the usual 1600. A Day, she said, yes I repeated, 1600 average, 600,000 average a year, she was astounded, how did she get to that age and never wonder, I wonder

360013 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 4, #681 of 1992 🔗

Dan – the government depends on the fact that most people have never examined the figures. Would you have known before the shit-show?

360033 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to RickH, 3, #682 of 1992 🔗

To be honest, I only had a vague idea of the numbers, its certainly brought a lot of clarity to things

360223 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to DanClarke, 3, #683 of 1992 🔗

Dan,

And you need to consider this also. This graph was posted on here about a week ago – it shows the actual dates of death for the numbers of people whose deaths were only officially reported on 6 January giving the impression they’d all died that one day. The current actual average daily (very arguably) ‘covid’ deaths is running at about 650-700 give or take.

https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1346896341469900802/photo/1

I can’t tell you how these graphs are compiled but they are based on hard data published by the Office of National Statistics. I saw a similar more recent graph a few days ago and one of the deaths included in the daily tally had occurred last May!

360128 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to DanClarke, 5, #684 of 1992 🔗

I mentioned that about 1% of people die a year to someone – they were gobsmacked – literally hadn’t thought about it before

360264 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DanClarke, #685 of 1992 🔗

So some 60% of deaths are now to do with Covid?

360011 ▶▶ RickH, replying to guy153, 1, #686 of 1992 🔗

“Full Fact” is obviously a pro-narrative propaganda source, not a fact-checking service. Just look at what it takes on – amongst all the issues around Covid. This ties them into propaganda rather than science :

“ If you agree that Covid-19 spreads through contact with an infected person (which it does ), then it is hard to see how banning human contact could fail to reduce the spread.”

The relevant article then goes on to bust a gut to find the odd paper that supports the efficacy of lockdowns, in the face of voluminous evidence to the contrary.

360028 ▶▶ stewart, replying to guy153, 4, #687 of 1992 🔗

What the article is really about is whitewashing the stupidity of the British public.

The poll showed the public thought is was 7% of the population had died.
The article then goes on to explain what the public apparently meant by that.

They of course don’t do that with the poll numbers showing that 70%+ of the population want more lockdowns. They don’t consider it necessary to explain what the public really means by that.

The contortions lockdown freaks are having to do to cope with their cognitive dissonance is spectacular.

360260 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to guy153, #688 of 1992 🔗

Yes. This myth is routinely whipped out by people.

359951 ▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 12, #689 of 1992 🔗

R2 News 11am
30 cross-denomination Scottish church ministers threatening the sturgeon with Judicial Review for closing churches completely citing Freedom Of Religion.

359960 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 7, #690 of 1992 🔗

Trying to reason with a zealot. Why bother threatening, just do.

360064 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 2, #691 of 1992 🔗

whohoo what took them so long?

360091 ▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #692 of 1992 🔗

I hope they are cross. Very cross. God bless ’em.

360241 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Annie, 1, #693 of 1992 🔗

Will they show her their cross? (sorry)

359954 ▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #694 of 1992 🔗

Gaslighting

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1350374696160808964?s=20

359978 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #695 of 1992 🔗

Amazing he didn’t see that one or at least someone point it out to him before he made an utter fool of himself

360019 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #696 of 1992 🔗

Boris is right: education is extremely important for girls (and boys). Perhaps, he will not re-open all the schools and ensure the girls and boys of this land are provided with the education they need and deserve?

359962 ▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 2, #697 of 1992 🔗

A semi-sceptic put this in front of me yesterday. It’s a re-hash of the last BBC fable about the relative level of mortality.

I confess that I was so irritated at the way the figures had been manipulated (see the end of the article), that I was past rational debate, having spent (like many others here) a lot of time looking at the reality of mortality over 2020, and communicating same to the semi-sceptic amongst others.

So – while I calm down, would those of you who are interested in the numbers, care to do a forensic job on this guy’s distortions? I fear my judgment may tip over into just ranting :

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-how-mortality-rates-in-2020-compare-with-past-decades-and-centuries-12185275

359987 ▶▶ stewart, replying to RickH, 19, #698 of 1992 🔗

What is the point. How many back and forth arguments have you been on with people? I’ve had dozens. In the end, it ends up with a mutual shrug of shoulders.

The trick is to take a morally unassailable position and just regurgitate it as many times as necessary.

They have: Yes but people are dying. We cannot allow people to die.

My position is: You value life more than freedom. I value freedom above life. Like the soldiers in WWII who fought against Nazism.

There isn’t a single fact you can use to knock me off my position. It is unassailable.

It’s also very unpopular. So I’m sitting on a morally unassailable island…

360032 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to stewart, 1, #699 of 1992 🔗

I don’t entirely disagree with you, Stewart.

But this one is about pseudo-statistics put in front of someone who has a parially sceptical bent, and a basic belief in scientific method.

But it seems that the ability of ‘The Narrative’ to invent egregious falsehoods has no bounds.

360043 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 1, #700 of 1992 🔗

Rick,

I think we have to continue arguing using logi and stats – of course.

However, people have been manipulated through the use of emotion, so in order to overcome that, I think that we also have to find a way of pushing the emotional buttons.

360321 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, #701 of 1992 🔗

Yes – you’re undoubtedly right.

We are up against the most aggressive propaganda campaign that I can recall. How we counter that without control of significant media is massively problematic.

Caught in an advertisment break yesterday, I was contemplating how those infantile emotional buttons are so easy to press – otherwise, why would so much be spent on media advertising?

But I reckon that we can’t abandon the underpinning rightness of appealing to reason as part of the emotional aspect.

360116 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to RickH, 4, #702 of 1992 🔗

Look further down at the info on hospital beds and patients compared to other years.

Clearly there is no real massive surge compared to other years and the problem is that capacity has been reduced over the years.

But who gives a shit? Whose listening? No one.

The BBC publishes a piece showing that the death rate is comparable to 2008 but spins it as the highest level of excess deaths since WWII, which is true in terms of absolute numbers but irrelevant in the right context.

Facts stopped mattering in March/April.

360144 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to RickH, 1, #703 of 1992 🔗

Rick I really appreciate the statistical analysis you bring to the table. There has been a large uptick in fear porn of late I like to have the statistical background aswell as the freedom/ liberty et al arguments.

360152 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #704 of 1992 🔗

In reality I appreciate the facts too.

It helps to know one is sitting on an island for good reason..:-)

360183 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to stewart, #705 of 1992 🔗

Yeah, if we don’t question our position we are just as bad as the other side.

360051 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stewart, 12, #706 of 1992 🔗

Exactly this. I would rather DIE than not see my children. My Mum would rather DIE than not be able to hug her grandchildren. There is no combination of words that will ever change this viewpoint.

360035 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 10, #707 of 1992 🔗

Rick, I’d start with this:

Conway writes:

“This doesn’t quite sound so bad does it? Fewer people dying per 1,000 than in 2003, and pretty much any year before. But there’s a clue here as to why this isn’t an especially meaningful comparison.

Crude mortality rates, which is what we’re talking about here, have been falling for most of the 20th and 21st century as medical science has advanced and people have lived longer. So casting this number as telling us “it’s only as bad as 2003″ isn’t quite right.”

If you actually look at one of the graphs (Deaths in England and Wales) in the article you will see that mortality had in fact been rising for some years already before 2020, although before that it had of course been falling for a long time. That is, 2020 represents a continuation of that trend.

That trend started around 2014, probably as a result of an aging populatiom plus austerity.

Conway rightly says it was the biggest jump in mortality (percentage wise) on a year on year bases), since 1940. Therefore, we look for something that happened in that particular year. In 1940 this was accounted for by the War. In 2020 it was accounted for by the unprecedented expulsion of tens of thousands of people from hospitals, and other lockdown measures.

How do we know that this was so?

Well, it is an international ‘pandemic’ right. Therefor the illness should have pretty much the same statistical effect everywhere. However, if we look at, say Germany, which also experienced a ‘pandemic’, but did not kick masses of people out of hospital, then we find no abnormal mortality for 2020, despite 1.7 million ‘cases’. Think about that – 1.7 million ‘cases’, but no impact on mortality.

Another thing:

C-19 is allegedly a respiratory disease – right? Therefore if Conways’s argument is correct, then we should find that UK hospitals treated many more respiratory patients. They did not.

Someone posted a graph showing the number of acute respiratory infections treated – it was normal.

Does anyone know where this graph is?

Conclusion – mortality rose steeply in 2020, compared to previous years, due mostly to hospital expulsions and other lockdown damage. This represented an acceleration of a pre-existing trend, going back to 2014 – probably due to aging population plus declining living standards.

360052 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 1, #708 of 1992 🔗

Thanks for those thoughts rockoman. I guess one of the side-effects of this is that I just get fatigued with re-iterating the bleedin’ obvious.

My correspondent, having read this, was convinced that autumn-winter deaths showed an ‘excess’ way above ‘normal’. Total bollocks, of course – the post-June mortality figures are, overall, simply in the median range.

As you imply, there was the April spike – which took mortality briefly to maximum levels. But the overall figure has declined since then to around the median.

360082 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 1, #709 of 1992 🔗

Denis Rancourt points out that the ‘pandemic’ deaths are not associated with the number of ‘cases’ nearly as much as they are associated with the severity of lockdown, with severe lockdowns preceding death surges, as in the UK.

I would also in my discussions really point out the fact that mortality rates appear to heve decisively turned upwards in 2014 in the UK, partly due to an aging population, but mainly due to falling living standards and associated politically-driven austerity measures.

If it really is the ‘pandemic’ which has been killing people, then we should be seeing greater excess mortality now than in March and April, because we have many more cases.

We are not.

What is different is that masses of patients are not now being expelled from hospitals.

360157 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to rockoman, #710 of 1992 🔗

To be fair the deaths do provide an uptick in 2014 but do appear to remain relatively consistent until this year 2020. Interestingly 2001,2002 and 2003 had essentially the exact same relative mortality to this year per 100,000 people population adjusted.

360036 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to RickH, 1, #711 of 1992 🔗

I’ve been reviewing the stats of late from the ONS. What I can gather is over the last 20 years we have 30 excess deaths per 100,000 people.

Given we cannot attribute all those deaths to COVID. Many will have been due to the measures related to lockdown we have to ask the questions was it worth it. That should provide a resounding no.

360041 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, #712 of 1992 🔗

Ignore that my maths is wrong. Need to rework with excel here.

360074 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #713 of 1992 🔗

Just ditch the notion of ‘excess deaths’. It really is meaningless and wrong-headed in the assumptions that it makes.

It is another example of the way in which epidemiology is riven with statistical nonsense.

360066 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 2, #714 of 1992 🔗

I think his figures are probably fine but I don’t argue that covid has little effect

my approach is

1 – covid causes lots of harm

2 – so do lockdowns

3 – you got to get the balance right – that’s what the 2014 pandemic response plan did – we shouldn’t have thrown it in the bin

4 – we have the data (and had it in march/april) to show that lockdowns don’t prevent death because they don’t affect the progression of the disease (see graph below and sweden data)

therefore we shouldn’t lockdown

I think the rights argument trumps any cost/benefit analysis but it isn’t popular

360135 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #715 of 1992 🔗

I don’t argue that Covid has little effect, but his ultimate historical figures are certainly not ‘fine’.

What I do argue – and it’s important – is that, in both medium and longer time frames, it is far from ‘unprecedented’. The hard facts lie in the basic population-adjusted figures for the quarter century. Even in that time-frame, there have been seven years of worse mortality – and we didn’t even blink.

But, of course, we have this constant use of a mere 5-year baseline – a period that is ‘unprecedented’ in terms of remarkably low mortality.

The two year figure is actually at the median level – i.e. nowhere near exceptional when the ‘dry tinder’ balance is taken into account.

I certainly agree with you on lockdowns, and would say the same if the virus was as bad as presented. But the exaggeration is entirely egregious, and parted company with the reality back in March, when PHE downgraded the ‘pandemic’ (already newly defined to include such as this) from the ‘High Consequence’ category.

360164 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to RickH, #716 of 1992 🔗

Agreed Rick, population adjusted I can see that years 2001,2002 and 2003 had essentially the exact same mortality per 100,000. There is nothing unprecedented about this year.

Can people rebut matters though by saying quality of living has improved substantially since then?

360249 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, #717 of 1992 🔗

So much PCR noise in everything beyond the overall mortality numbers. Even then, with Covid or from Covid, lack of autopsies, no doubt the massive list of symptoms leading to suspected covid deaths being marked. The % dying because of Covid vs lockdown deaths is where the balance argument lands, but I don’t know how you strip away the PCR noise?

360304 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #718 of 1992 🔗

Bluntly – you can’t define ‘Covid’ numbers in the available mess of data. Thus we have to fall back on ‘all-cause’ mortality as the only reliable figures.

360168 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, 1, #719 of 1992 🔗

I’ll try to think of an easy to follow analogy which explains what they are doing. Look out for it later

I believe the comparison with 2003 used in the presentation provides the best indication of what has happened to mortality. Percentage improvements and/or deteriorations can be misleading.

e.g. I only got a 2% pay rise while you got a 5% rise. But if I’m earning 100k and you’re earning 20k – who gets the biggest rise (note not a good analogy here).

360336 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, #720 of 1992 🔗

“ Percentage improvements and/or deteriorations can be misleading”

Especially if the baseline is as absurdly short as the commonly used 5-year average.

359966 ▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #721 of 1992 🔗

One issue I have with sceptics is we are so bloody disorganised. Too many disparate interests and views spread across many formats. There is not enough focus on the core message.

359974 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Tom Blackburn, #722 of 1992 🔗

True. And few.

The few only defeat the many when they are organised. Like Bill and co. They are few, but man are they killing it.

359997 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #723 of 1992 🔗

Spot on, Tom.I’m working on a 5-point strategy which we can all follow. What’s the best way to get this out?

360001 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bungle, 3, #724 of 1992 🔗

Wish I had the answers pal. I guess the only fight that needs to be fought is the Taboo over being able to express concern around lockdown harms without being shot down as a psycho.

360110 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Bungle, 2, #725 of 1992 🔗

The single biggest problem is that scepticism is seen as a conspiracy theory no matter how founded in science and medicine it is. The general public accept a position if the people proposing that position are saying that they are following the science; irrespective of the fact that science is driven by scepticism. There is a large inertia to overcome. The situation is not as bad as that faced by Copernicus or Galileo, but it is in a similar vein with appealing to authority.
If you look at Extinction Rebellion or Black Lives Matter, how have they managed to do what they have done?
Both of these have emphasised the negative aspects of their causes, in the case of XR they totally ignore other viewpoints, they are right and everyone else is wrong, irrespective of any evidence to the contrary.
The government has created a similar atmosphere, totally ignoring any dissent (paying lip service by “consulting” with Sunetra Gupta or Carl Henighan) or evidence contrary to their position, no matter how strong. They also have the ears of the MSM, and dissenting voices are suppressed as Toby has found out.
Also, places such as youtube that show valid lectures from renowned experts on immunology or virology then opponents say that it was some crank on youtube!
People like Sebastian Rushworth and Malcolm Kendrick have their blogs, but again any reference to these is poo-poohed as being a conspiracy theorist.

How to tackle this?

Lockdown Rebellion?
Lockdown lives matter?

If the subject is politicised then picketing instead of marches is legal as political picketing has not (yet) been outlawed. Also, I believe that picketing is allowed for other causes and is not just employment related.

360121 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to p02099003, 10, #726 of 1992 🔗

“If you look at Extinction Rebellion or Black Lives Matter, how have they managed to do what they have done?”

Because they are backed by money and power.

360288 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to rockoman, 2, #727 of 1992 🔗

and the media

360131 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to p02099003, 2, #728 of 1992 🔗

I think we need to tap into some really base emotions to unpick some of the propaganda harm. Basically beat them at their own game. The hashtag #whataboutus with the argument that this is harmful to children. This can be left purposefully vague so that it can mean whatever people want it to mean eg. School closures, fatalities, child protection enquiries etc.

We all set a date and time and bombard social media with various messages of lockdown harms for children and young people.

Anyone who argues against is a paedo

360215 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #729 of 1992 🔗

Despite the fact that children are more likely to die from a meteor strike they are being used as THE propaganda tool now.
The scapegoats are the older teenager and student population.
The most worried appear to be the middle years and it is this group that are being specifically targeted with the fear campaign.
The elderly population are OK now because they are having the vaccine, and the “you’ll kill granny” meme is no longer required.
Perhaps making vulnerable adult enquiries or raising concerns with the local authorities?

Who are the targets for such a campaign? Who needs convincing?

360444 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Bungle, 1, #730 of 1992 🔗

How about total external compliance but say to everybody you come near ‘This is ridiculous isn’t it? How much longer are they going to keep this up? It’s such a scam – but we all just have to go along with it, I guess.’ It works for me every time and more and more people I know now feel the same it seems. It may seem passive and non-confrontational but that’s why it works. It’s getting everyone in your social circle to question it then they start to do the same .. I got this idea from the beginning of the first lockdown when an elderly man in a pharmacy wearing a mask said to the whole queue ‘You know they just want to kill us all!’ and not one person disagreed with him.

360005 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #731 of 1992 🔗

Absolutely. I think the message should be ‘Lockdowns don’t work, Lockdowns cost lives, they are a crime against humanity.

360012 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to isobar, 8, #732 of 1992 🔗

”lockdowns cost lives” – excellent banner

360080 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Major Panic, 2, #733 of 1992 🔗

Yes. Simple but can be backed up by any factoid of your choice as a specific example e.g. cancer diagnoses missed, world poverty increased etc.

360057 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tom Blackburn, #734 of 1992 🔗

Tom,

I know what you mean, but I guess that was inevitable really.

Unlike our opponents we couldn’t prepare.

360086 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to rockoman, 2, #735 of 1992 🔗

‘They’ knocked up a clap for Carers. Why can’t we find something similar that similarly hits the spot? There is common ground. eg. There is no reason why we couldn’t all Twitter bomb to get a phrase trending. The key is getting the message right.

360087 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #736 of 1992 🔗

I think it’s great to have disparate views and interests. It’s what totalitarians hate most.

360114 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #737 of 1992 🔗

We need a rich benefactor(s) to put a team of professionals and advisors together with a multi million pound budget and top legal advice to run a campaign to inform the public of what we see as the truth – that would be the time to focus on core message

I think debate below the line is fine

359990 ▶ Steve Naylor, replying to Steve Naylor, -2, #738 of 1992 🔗

Re masks and transmission. I thought early on that after the introduction of the mask mandate, those wearing Visors rather than masks were deluded if they thought those devices could have any effect. However, I have rethought this.
It is accepted that surgical and cloth masks do very little to filter particles, perhaps inhalation of a few only. However, a mask will do a good job of aerosolising exhaled particles, which it is stated can hang in the air for considerable periods. Thus visors are BETTER at stopping the spread than any masks, since there is no aerosol produced, and particles which ARE exhaled will either fall to the floor, or remain on the inside of the device, well away from third parties.
Anyone had similar thoughts ?

360394 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Steve Naylor, 1, #739 of 1992 🔗

I no longer have a link but there was an article done on the protection levels of visors and they were found to be completely useless. Even less protection than a mask.

359995 ▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 43, #740 of 1992 🔗

As a Chinese food delivery driver I’ve seen a change in peoples reactions from when our shop re-opened in May to present.
In particulate, two regular customers are worth a mention….

For months, when delivering to them, the money would be in an envelope outside and I would leave the food on the door step, knock on the door and leave. (both couples are young with young kids – not in an age related vulnerable group)

Now when I deliver both households greet me at their front doors with the pre-covid cheer, and, unfortunately, accept change.

The latest mutant ninja fear-mongering is not hitting the mark as the past fear-mongering used to.

360266 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Major Panic, 3, #741 of 1992 🔗

Good to hear.

360596 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Major Panic, 2, #742 of 1992 🔗

That’s my impression. There are good and bad aspects to this. Good that people are not scared so much but bad that they are adapting to BS that would have been considered abnormal in 2019.

360021 ▶ Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 44, #743 of 1992 🔗

:large

360085 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 1, #744 of 1992 🔗

Good one.

360150 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), #745 of 1992 🔗

Complicity Terrorist?

360026 Andrew K, 1, #746 of 1992 🔗

Looks like https://happen.network/ has been taken down… A great video shame

360045 ▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 12, #747 of 1992 🔗

The British Prime Minister is a convinced internationalist who believes in an international solution to SARS CoV 2.

Unfortunately he has been badly misled by his advisers and lacks the confidence or experience to gainsay them.

Standing together in this nonsensical way, the leaders of the free world will fall, not together, but like a row of dominos in sequence.

Once the PCR test at above 30 cycles is discredited, they are all doomed…..

360054 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #748 of 1992 🔗

Yes – Reiner Füllmich is going for that.

360046 ▶ godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 31, #749 of 1992 🔗

Good observation from sceptic Doctor in Ireland, Dr Marcus De Brun:

Genetically modify a Turnip and the Green Party get very upset.

Inject hundreds of thousands of healthy people with modified viral genes (mRNA),
and they think it’s a great idea.

The Greens it would appear are more interested in vegetables rather than people.

360917 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to godowneasy, 2, #750 of 1992 🔗

Don’t you see? To protect the vegetable, one must become a vegetable.

360047 ▶ Edumacated eejit, replying to Edumacated eejit, 13, #751 of 1992 🔗

Brilliant analysis by the legal expert Dominic Ford.

I’ve always held the view that governments do not do saving lives; their primary aim is to hold onto power at any cost, hence ‘Save the NHS’ has always been their lead mantra because its collapse would mean political oblivion for the Party in power. But Dominic Ford’s piece highlights an important further reason why the government must ‘Save the NHS’: it is likely that they would be held liable for the damage done to patients who could not obtain treatment were it to collapse and the sick go untreated. In such a scenario the NHS’s (i.e. the Government’s) liabilities could run into trillions (say 5 million claimants each receiving on average of half a million, making a total of 2.5 trillion – PPS compensation which cost banks ~ 60 billion is chickenfeed in comparison.

Of course they have already restricted access to the NHS over the last 10 months. As the inevitable lawsuits emerge, it will be interesting to discover the extent to which they are found to be lliable to pay compensation. Worryingly, by having the State provide healthcare, the tax payer is exposed to huge liabilities; perhaps one of the reasons other countries avoid State healthcare but instead have private insurance as the default and a safety-net for those who cannot pay.

360193 ▶▶ John001, replying to Edumacated eejit, 2, #752 of 1992 🔗

Well actually they don’t. AFAIK Canada, S Korea, Sweden, Iceland, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Italy, Portugal, Spain, among others have government run systems rather like we do.

If liability is an issue, it’s cheaper to socialise it – or even better have a no-fault system like New Zealand, i.e. to avoid lawyers’ fees – than to require all hospitals to have a separate insurance policy.

So can we please stop arguing how to organise healthcare and get back to the removal of our human rights on 23 03 20. Whether we live in Norway or Canada with public healthcare or Switzerland or Germany with govt-regulated private healthcare, this is an issue. Thanks.

360049 ▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -26, #753 of 1992 🔗

If the virus doesn’t really spread through fomites, then the dangers associated with wearing a mask are not that serious, making masks much more important.

360060 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #754 of 1992 🔗

I think you would need to be more explicit about your reasoning and evidence to persuade anyone who is not a believer in the magic of face masks.

360196 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Steve Hayes, -3, #755 of 1992 🔗

I’m not sure why you think i’m trying to persuade anyone.
I am merely drawing a conclusion based on an article posted in today’s update. I am as explicit as possible.

360062 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #756 of 1992 🔗

Only if you believed the fomite transfer was the biggest danger before associated with masks before, which personally I never have.

For me the unanswered questions were – what impact do masks have on aerosol spread? What are the risks associated with bacteria/fungi/viruses on worn masks? Are cloth masks effective in any way? Do they make idiots think they’re safe, thus taking risks that they wouldn’t have otherwise e.g. going into work with a cold provided they are wearing a mask?

So those questions haven’t changed for me.

360090 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #757 of 1992 🔗

The touching of the mask spreads saliva and fluids around and increases the potency of your aerosol source because of its location and continuous inflow of breath. Essentially you build a bigger infection area to spread when you breathe.

Or the realisation that masks do little to interrupt the flow of aerosols, the sea of then if you will.

360094 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #758 of 1992 🔗

there are multiple mechanisms through which masks increase transmission

1 – encourages face touching
2 – encourages people to be closer because they cant hear what the fuck each other are saying
3 – people are closer through risk compensation – ie if people think masks are more effective than they think they are then they will over-compensate
4 – it turns large droplets into small ones

360189 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to steve_w, -5, #759 of 1992 🔗

And the study i mentioned above invalidates your first point.

360098 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #760 of 1992 🔗

360125 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 4, #761 of 1992 🔗

So if you are sat next to granny on public transport – don’t wear a mask

360100 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 11, #762 of 1992 🔗

There are gentlemanly codes that we should all adhere to when posting here. The most important of which is to NEVER criticise the person speaking but only what they are saying. Which is why I say without fear or favour your comment is utter garbage.

360186 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Harry hopkins, -3, #763 of 1992 🔗

Not sure what your problem is.

360285 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #764 of 1992 🔗

Masks are not, and never have been, about health and safety. They are about social control. If you believe the former then you are deluding yourself.

360297 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Harry hopkins, -5, #765 of 1992 🔗

That’s pretty much off topic…

360299 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #766 of 1992 🔗

I agree Harry

360101 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #767 of 1992 🔗

More important for what? Societal control? Driving people insane? Developing deviant fetishes?

360118 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to stewart, 1, #768 of 1992 🔗

Likely the last mentioned one.

360137 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #769 of 1992 🔗

I saw a car the other day where the owner had put masks over the air ventilation outlets.

Not sure if they were taking the piss or were being serious, but I expect this might be a requirement in tier 6. Should probably leave all windows open too, and use two masks obvs

360170 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #770 of 1992 🔗

Well, you can never be too careful.

360242 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #771 of 1992 🔗

360315 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Bella Donna, #772 of 1992 🔗

Indeed.

360211 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to captainbeefheart, #773 of 1992 🔗

They had probably heard of the caged hamster study.

360398 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to captainbeefheart, #774 of 1992 🔗

Probably drying them out

360138 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #775 of 1992 🔗

When I go shopping I don’t cough and I don’t sneeze. The only person I speak to is the cashier, who is behind a plastic screen. How exactly am I going to be spreading infected droplets all over the place?

360185 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Chicot, -18, #776 of 1992 🔗

But then what’s the harm of wearing one?

360197 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #777 of 1992 🔗

Start with the kids:

https://patriotrising.com/child-abuse-masked-schoolchildren-are-harmed-physically-psychologically-behaviorally-and-suffer-from-24-distinct-health-issues/

360204 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to rockoman, -4, #778 of 1992 🔗

But that’s a very specific case. Are you harming kids in school when you’re shopping in your local Tesco?

360307 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #779 of 1992 🔗

Yes, because we are accustoming children, and other adults, to the insidiously dehumanising effects of mask-wearing.

As I mentioned there is no scientific proof of any benefit from masks – RCTs.

In the absence of that, you have to justify mask-wearing to me. I do not have to justify to you why I do not wish to wear one.

360358 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to rockoman, -8, #780 of 1992 🔗

And, as i said, the benefits were offset by fomites, leading to 0 overall effect. Which part of “if fomites don’t spread the virus” do you not undestand?

Can’t you people just have a normal, simple conversation without getting out your pitchforks?

360209 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #781 of 1992 🔗

Try being deaf.

360221 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, -5, #782 of 1992 🔗

Another very specific case. Do you wear a face shield?

360232 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #783 of 1992 🔗

No. I’m exempt.

360237 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, -12, #784 of 1992 🔗

Of course you are.

360245 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #785 of 1992 🔗

You seem to have a very dismissive attitude to the deaf and people with disabilities. Do you have a problem with disabled people? I’m not sure your discrimination is really called for.

360258 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, -10, #786 of 1992 🔗

You seem to have a very dismissive attitude to the deaf and people with disabilities. You seem to have no problem using their disabilities when it’s convenient to you, and then throw them away, discarded. Do you have a problem with disabled people? I’m not sure you using them when it’s convenient for you really called for.

360284 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #787 of 1992 🔗

Your prejudiced speculation is unconstructive. Your insensitivity is disturbing.

360292 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, -6, #788 of 1992 🔗

Your flailing about is unconstructive. Your continued dismissal of disabled people is disturbing.

Look, it was fun throwing insults about. Imma get back on topic. Have a nice day.

360325 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #789 of 1992 🔗

“Fun throwing insults”.

You find insulting people fun? And you capitulated almost immediately too?

That certainly explains a great deal. I sincerely hope you find a way to overcome your cowardice and spite.

360314 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #790 of 1992 🔗

I am also exempt. Do you want to call me a liar?

Please be warned that I am Ireland where the libel laws are vicious against someone making such a statement – that you are (I assume) not in Ireland would be no defence. In fact, Ireland sees itself as an ideal place to host worldwide defamation of character cases based on the internet being global.

360341 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Ewan Duffy, -8, #791 of 1992 🔗

What even is your point? What does any of this have to do with the topic we’re discussing? Do you usually butt into other conversations just to be offended by something that wasn’t addressed to you?

360352 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #792 of 1992 🔗

Since you can self-declare yourself to be exempt and no medical diagnosis is required, then, yes, he is exempt.

360360 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Chicot, -3, #793 of 1992 🔗

What’s your point and why is it so dreadfully off topic?

360445 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #794 of 1992 🔗

Some quality trolling today. It wasn’t off-topic at all. Someone said they were exempt and you made a sarcastic reply, implying that they weren’t. I pointed out that, by government guidelines, they are exempt. That is completely on-topic.

360235 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #795 of 1992 🔗

If it was just shopping and it ended there, I might comply but it doesn’t, ever, end there. First it was masks on public transport, then when shopping, then every time you stand up in a pub or restaurant. Next it might be masks every time you leave the house as has happened in other countries. And if you accept the logic of wearing masks now then why not every flu season? Sorry, but I don’t want to live in a society where we have to go around covering our faces all the time and I choose to make my stand here.

360254 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Chicot, -4, #796 of 1992 🔗

I don’t see what that has to do with the topic at hand.

360273 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #797 of 1992 🔗

? I thought my answer was clear enough. The harm of doing something that has little evidence of being beneficial is that it sets a precedent that leads to all sorts of nonsensical measures being taken. That has a lot to do with how we arrived in this whole mess.

360280 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Chicot, -2, #798 of 1992 🔗

Never said your answer is not clear. I said it wasn’t on topic. This argument is about the epidemiological pros and cons of wearing masks. It is besides the point to argue about the clear idiocy of ruling through decree, with no scientific backing.

360312 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #799 of 1992 🔗

We’ve had decades of research into whether mask wearing in the general public causes a reduction in the spread of respiratory illnesses. All the evidence is that it doesn’t. The WHO more or less admitted that they changed their advice, not because the evidence had changed, but because of “political pressure”. Masks are nothing more than a comfort blanket for the gullible and an arse-covering exercise for governments.

360361 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Chicot, -3, #800 of 1992 🔗

We’ve had decades of research, but up until this recent Danish study, there was barely any research around. Which is it?

360450 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #801 of 1992 🔗

Please find any post I have made which states there was barely any research around before the Danish study. I’m afraid I’m not responsible for arguments other people make.

360248 ▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #802 of 1992 🔗

I will you give you one example, mine. I can’t wear one due to something that happened to me years ago that I won’t go into here. Yet I potentially face harassment every time I go out, or at the very least dirty looks. For others it is a matter of pricipal. Why should they walk about looking like a bandit ?,just because the government wanted something else to show that the public were on side with the fear and lies. It is purely about control and nothing else.

360262 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Hellonearth, -6, #803 of 1992 🔗

A bit besides the point of our argument.

360306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #804 of 1992 🔗

A few posts above – “But then what’s the harm of wearing one?”

Troll.

360337 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Ewan Duffy, -7, #805 of 1992 🔗

We are talking about the epidemiological pros and cons of wearing masks. Try and keep up.

360344 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #806 of 1992 🔗

There are none. There are zero pear reviewed studies that prove any epidemiological benefits in wearing a mask..Well not in the last 13 years,Zero so job please stop the trolling or go fuck yourself.

360364 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Thomas_E, -3, #807 of 1992 🔗

Because the benefits were offset by spreading the virus through fomites. But if that is not a risk AS THE RESEARCH IN THE ARTICLE INDICATES, then where exactly does that leave the studies?

360581 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #808 of 1992 🔗

… please stop the trolling or go fuck yourself.

I vote for it to do both.

360253 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #809 of 1992 🔗

Masks are self harming. They do not stop viruses, in fact the build up of bacteria on the mask is then inhaled and exhaled! Do some bloody research!

360261 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Bella Donna, -8, #810 of 1992 🔗

Only if you reuse the same mask over and over, without sterilizing. Do some bloody research.

360302 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #811 of 1992 🔗

Which, I would contend, most sheeple do. Telling people on this site to “do some bloody research” is probably the most asinine comment to make – most of us here are sceptic as the official line being spun makes no sense and we have analysed what has been said and checked the “evidence” in favour of the official line, before debunking it.

360334 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Ewan Duffy, -7, #812 of 1992 🔗

I didn’t tell “people” on this site to do research. I told one specific person that. Please stop being collectively offended.

360294 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #813 of 1992 🔗

Why wear something that offers no benefit? If others are scared, it is the others who need to grow up and learn that masks do not confer a benefit and, in fact, may nebulise droplets which, if a person is infected, make those droplets smaller and more easily absorbed by another person.

360530 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #814 of 1992 🔗

But then what’s the harm of wearing one?

Our brains might suffer whatever the fuck happened to yours.

360308 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Chicot, 1, #815 of 1992 🔗

Exactly you won’t. You would know if you were ill but the government has convinced the sheeple they are infectious without symptoms

360147 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #816 of 1992 🔗

Important for what? I don’t get it

360184 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -7, #817 of 1992 🔗

Containment

360206 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #818 of 1992 🔗

Comprehensively debunked already.

All RCTs show no measurable benefit of mask-wearing for either the wearer or hose around him.

360220 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to rockoman, -11, #819 of 1992 🔗

Because they were believed to be offset by masks concentrating viral particles, which then led to increased spread through fomites.

The question is: Why are doctors wearing facemasks if they do nothing to stop aerosols or saliva?

360316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #820 of 1992 🔗

Because that is the way things have always been done around here. Efficacy of facemasks in surgical settings has also been debunked long before COVID appeared.

360224 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -11, #821 of 1992 🔗

If this thread will teach anyone anything, the lesson will probably be that even people on the side of truth, with evidence to back them, will still be for the most part incapable of forming a logical argument.

360362 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #822 of 1992 🔗

Indeed, you have not presented your evidence at all. Since the use of masks is contrary to normality, the burden of proof is in you to show that they are useful, though given your previously demonstrated lack of understanding of logic you probably don’t realise or accept this at all.

So, infact, it seems you just want to be adversarial for the sake of it, then convince yourself that you have somehow won something, which will give you egoic self esteem a boost and perhaps provide a net positive effect on your dopamine system. At least I hope it does. Otherwise all of this is just a big waste of everyone’s time, isn’t it.

360368 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, -6, #823 of 1992 🔗

You haven’t even read what i said, and you come here on your high and mighty horse. Did you even read today’s article where it talked about the virus not spreading through fomites? Do you even have a basic clue about what i’m talking about? No, you’re just out here, arguing with me cause you feel like arguing, and you just like to invent crap. For starters, i have NO burden of proof because i’m NOT making any claims. I am drawing conclusions. So how about first get a clue about what i’m saying, then pretend to be all offended over nothing.

360371 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #824 of 1992 🔗

You seem to be upset. Would you like to talk about it?

360376 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, -6, #825 of 1992 🔗

You seem to be clueless. Would you like to talk about it?

360389 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #826 of 1992 🔗

After you. Your need seems more pressing.

360528 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #827 of 1992 🔗

Don’t smoke that type of weed again, Cristi.

360056 ▶ redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 36, #828 of 1992 🔗

I’ve pretty much had enough of this. We are being bombarded with propaganda of the most sinister kind, the whole establishment is going along with the misrepresentations involved – and even exaggerating them. People are being deliberately killed by government policy, and virtually no-one is raising a finger to stop them – even such criticism as there is muted.

Democracy is finished. This IS 1984. Mandelson a couple of decades ago said we now live in a post-democratic world. Now you have the proof. And freedom of course is the first casualty.

360331 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to redbirdpete, 7, #829 of 1992 🔗

I have a bad feeling that you may be right. Sometimes I suspect that others have figured this out but don’t want to admit it because it’s too awful to contemplate. Many, however, never really appreciated liberal democracy and probably won’t miss it. There was public opinion evidence showing the decline of support for liberal democracy in the last decade, but I didn’t realise it was this bad.

360061 ▶ davews, replying to davews, 7, #830 of 1992 🔗

Local paper reporting 42 deaths in our local hospital trust yesterday. We on here know they didn’t just occur in the past 24 hours. This covers two hospitals, Frimley Park and Wexham Park (and also Heatherwood but don’t think they treat covid patients). 42 deaths a day in two hospitals would normally set the alarm bells ringing, it simply is not plausible.

360097 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to davews, 1, #831 of 1992 🔗

Johnson singled out Yateley as having vaccinated over 90% of its over 80’s as well

360322 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Adamb, #832 of 1992 🔗

90% is a meaningless number. According to https://www.citypopulation.de/en/uk/southeastengland/hampshire/E35001069__yateley/ there are 772 aged over 80. . 90% sounds significantly better than 700 or 0.04% of the population

360293 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to davews, #833 of 1992 🔗

Data from NHS England fatalities by hospital trust – No these deaths did not all occur over the last 24 hours – it normally takes about 5 days for the near complete reporting to take place – Frimley Health Trust which includes Frimley Park and Wexham Park Hospitals has been averaging 16 deaths per day over the last 10 days. Up from 4 or 5 deaths per day in December
Royal Berkshire has been averaging 3 deaths per day over the same time
. Hampshire hospitals (Basingstoke) is averaging 5 daily deaths and Royal Surrey Guildford is averaging two deaths per day

Obviously very sad for all concerned – but I do wish the local media would look at the actual figures

The data is available here – https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

360065 ▶ Kat, replying to Kat, 18, #834 of 1992 🔗

There’s a curious irony in the fact that recently there has been an extraordinary focus on the legacy of slavery and its repercussions. Yet, in many countries, governments have instigated lockdowns which have had many of the same impacts as slavery. Materially,most of us may be better off now but in terms of freedom over our daily lives, I’m not so sure.

360069 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Kat, 7, #835 of 1992 🔗

Serfdom would be closer. Or bondsman.

360078 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to redbirdpete, 5, #836 of 1992 🔗

Work = safe and allowed. Recreation = unsafe and not allowed.

360109 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Kat, 1, #837 of 1992 🔗

And black slaves were frequently made to wear masks.

360134 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Kat, 2, #838 of 1992 🔗

American slaves were sometimes gagged as a punishment.
At least they knew they were slaves, knew they were being finished, and didn’t like either.

360145 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Kat, 1, #839 of 1992 🔗

Also the early scandal that Covid impacted people of BAME backgrounds more. Ignoring the fact Africa has been largely unnoticed by Covid. Had to shoe horn it in somehow I suppose.

360176 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #840 of 1992 🔗

Vitamin D. Also explains why Finland has done better than it Nordic neighbours – they have been fortifying certain foods with Vitamin D since 2003.

360684 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Kat, #841 of 1992 🔗

Ooh, ooh, slave masks too !

360073 ▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #842 of 1992 🔗

The new German chancellor… anyone know his views on Covid?

360093 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #843 of 1992 🔗

Armin Laschet

For now he’s just the new CDU leader, not the Chancellor

Doubt he is a sceptic

I think the only sceptical voices in German politics are the AFD

360111 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 1, #844 of 1992 🔗

Thanks Julian. I am not aware of the situation there.

360108 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tom Blackburn, #845 of 1992 🔗

He runs North-Rhine Westphalia, and in 2020 earned a reputation as a ‘lockdown dove’

360182 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to rockoman, 1, #846 of 1992 🔗

Sorry rocko – excuse my ignorance, is it preferable to be a dove or a hawk?

360199 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #847 of 1992 🔗

I think according to the way the papers report it Doves are for lockdown and Hawks against.

To remember it Doves are in prisoned whilst Hawks fly free.

360205 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to stevie, 3, #848 of 1992 🔗

**imprisoned**

360402 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to rockoman, 1, #849 of 1992 🔗

NRW is the most populated county in Germany and had quite high numbers, because there are a lot of people.
They were among the first to introduce mouthnosecoverings in upper schools during lessons, which the AfD successfully challenged. He also had a bad time when the Toennies outbreak happened.
When this all started last year, he most likely already was a candidate for chair of the CDU, so would have acted accordingly.

360384 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #850 of 1992 🔗

He is not the new Chancellor.
He is the candidate for chancellor in the election on 26th September.

360079 ▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #851 of 1992 🔗

Zoe update

new daily infections 46,218, 34% below the peak

360081 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #852 of 1992 🔗

R value latest = 0.75, continues sloping down just like it did in first wave – independent of any restrictions

360162 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 3, #853 of 1992 🔗

I’ll say it again : ‘R’ : a ‘Ferguson number’

360441 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, #854 of 1992 🔗

Rick, if you don’t understand something – ask.

I was prepared to help you out with your SKY News query but it’s a waste of time.

R is a very useful metric particularly if it’s used in a regional context.

360102 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 2, #855 of 1992 🔗

Really, what are they infected with?

Or do you mean positive PCR tests?

360120 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 3, #856 of 1992 🔗

self-reported symptoms on the Zoe app. This is the best data and if only this had been available we wouldn’t have had lockdown 1.

360140 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to steve_w, 3, #857 of 1992 🔗

So people with colds. Seems about right for this time of year.

360158 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to stewart, 4, #858 of 1992 🔗

yes, people with colds of which covid-19 is one of about 200

we would expect 400,000 people a day to catch a new cold at this time of year. Zoe tries to separate covid-19 from the other colds through analysing self-reported symptoms. it won’t be perfect but I think is the best source of data

360171 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 7, #859 of 1992 🔗

You’re right. Again, we trip over the problem that the monitoring of this virus has been rendered impossible by the (deliberate?) confusion over diagnosis, and the desire to maximise it for political reasons.

360676 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, #860 of 1992 🔗

Love the question mark after ‘deliberate’ …

360465 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to stewart, -2, #861 of 1992 🔗

It’s not a cold. The effects of this disease are nothing like cold – or even flu symptoms.

360143 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to rockoman, -4, #862 of 1992 🔗

Forget the PCR obsession, There are other sources of data. We’re losing the False Positive argument because there are plenty of people who are unwell.

360155 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 8, #863 of 1992 🔗

… as there always are at this time of year.

360428 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -3, #864 of 1992 🔗

I never remember anything like this. . I have 4 kids in 30s & 40s. They have dozens of cousins – similar age. This year is not normal.

360546 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Mayo, 6, #865 of 1992 🔗

No its not normal. The death rate is average but we have lost or civil rights and liberties, been in almost permanent lockdown, denied access to healthcare and surgery, children and students denied access to education, have lost 25% of our GDP and are heading get for mass unemployment. This is definitely not normal. What is normal is that at this time of year respira tory viruses colds and flu increase.

360172 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 5, #866 of 1992 🔗

“…there are plenty of people who have been convinced that they are unwell with a killer virus” FTFY

360457 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Ewan Duffy, -3, #867 of 1992 🔗

Please – give it a rest. My son has been unwell – because he was very unwell. A 38 year old who, since the age of 2, has recovered from any illness within a couple of days and, in some cases, – a couple of hours.

360175 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 4, #868 of 1992 🔗

yes, its definitely definitely not and definitely cant be annual seasonal flu – which shares the same symptoms and has now disappeared…

we know this because the PCR test tells us so

360420 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Major Panic, -3, #869 of 1992 🔗

Are you quite sure they are the same symptoms?

I just wonder why, after watching my sons and daughters grow up into adults over the past 30 or 40 years with barely a sniffle, 2 of them are now experiencing quite nasty effects from this ‘flu’. FIVE of their cousins from the same family have been affected by it – one is still suffering from it 4 weeks on. Daughter’s partner (aged 40) threw up yesterday following a severe bout of coughing more than a week after he was bedridden with symptoms.

I could go on to friends & acquaintances but that would too ….. Sorry – I can’t accept that this is a ‘normal’ flu outbreak that just coincidentally happens to show up as positive result for SARS-CoV-2 in a PCR test.

Here’s a hint: If you want to convince people that Lockdowns are a bad idea – don’t treat them like idiots by telling them that there’s nothing abnormal going on.

360460 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Mayo, 4, #870 of 1992 🔗

Mayo,
I’m in NO way saying there isn’t anything doing the rounds, there most definitely is. I don’t want to catch it.

However, I caught something in January of 2019, I wasn’t bedridden but I had a cough and felt fatigued for over two months. I’ve also had flu three times and it’s NOT nice (understatement!). I’m pretty sure I had Hong Kong flu when I was young (my recollection of being off school and the year of the epidemic tie in) and I remember hallucinating while fevered. And yet my Mother doesn’t remember me having it and she doesn’t remember the flu epidemic, it was just another flu season and people ‘got on with it’. I should stress that my Mother’s memory is amazing, she showed me a school photograph a month or two ago of when she was around 14 and could name all the other pupils in her class, not something I’d be able to do!

Flu and Covid do share symptoms. However given the massive range of supposed Covid symptoms I’d argue it’s not one virus causing those symptoms.

DavidC

360489 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 1, #871 of 1992 🔗

I had something when I was down in Portsmouth when i was 21 (over 30 years ago) – my throat was so bad i couldn’t, eat, I could barely drink water – for a week. I’ve never really been ill since so I’m not particularly susceptible to things.

i have friends and family all around the UK, none have been out of the ordinary ill over the last year – maybe that’s just luck, who knows.

where has annual flu gone?

360513 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #872 of 1992 🔗

I was reading something in here about high stress levels causing illnesses to be much worse as it effects your immune system. Fear is stress and the relentless fear porn on the media has certainly made many people extremely scared.

A good friend of mine, who’s son and girlfriend, living in his house, were unwell for a week – was unwell shortly after, not helped by relentless abuse from all his friends. But out of our group he was the most fearful of covid, More obedient of the first lockdown, slow to come out from behind the couch, and even when we all met up in November refused to shake hands – yet he is physically the toughest.

i did wonder if his mental state about covid may have made is illness worse – fear of potential death is likely bad for immune system.

360682 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, 1, #873 of 1992 🔗

Fear is definitely bad for immune system. ‘likely’, forsooth.

360194 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, 4, #874 of 1992 🔗

No, it’s not just the false positives.

PCR is useless for disease diagnosis.

360448 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to rockoman, -1, #875 of 1992 🔗

SYMPTOMS are a pretty good guide to disease diagnosis. PCR has been a reasonable indicator of trend of infection incidence.

360468 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Mayo, 5, #876 of 1992 🔗

No it hasn’t. It’s been a reasonable indicator of massive testing using Ct of between 40 and 45 in the UK, where even Fauci has stated ‘Anything over 35 is basically picking up dead nucleotides’ producing a positive test result, NOT a case, NOT an infection necessarily and not necessarily symptomatic. A medical CASE is someone who is displaying symptoms and who might (but not necessarily) have to be admitted to hospital.

Given how often this has been repeated on LS Mayo, I’m surprised by your comment.

DavidC

360092 ▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #877 of 1992 🔗

Theme tune suggestion. Open Up by Leftfield or is it too soon?

360112 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #878 of 1992 🔗

Maybe the SAGE “it would be a disaster” remix

360117 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #879 of 1992 🔗

I’m Still Standing – Elton John

Still Unbroken – Lynryd Skynryd

We’re Not gonna Take It – Twisted Sister

For the other side:

Withered Hand of Evil – Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats.

360127 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #880 of 1992 🔗

… – Elton John

Err, get out of town, AG.

360225 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JohnB, 1, #881 of 1992 🔗

I know but it’s the title and lyrics more than the artist and as Mrs Awkward tells me whenever she hears the song “Bruno from Strictly was very young in the video wasn’t he?” which is why I remember it.

360689 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #882 of 1992 🔗

Bruno ? Strictly ? Modern society’s reference points often WHOOOOOSH over my head these days.

360130 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Awkward Git, #883 of 1992 🔗

Freedom – Little Steven.

360133 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, #884 of 1992 🔗

Withered Hand of Evil – Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats. great band

360195 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Tom Blackburn, #885 of 1992 🔗

The Knife – Genesis

Karn Evil 9 – ELP

360095 ▶ Paul, replying to Paul, 1, #886 of 1992 🔗

I can’t vouch for the veracity of this but my wife’s sister says her grandchildren have been told ‘don’t expect to be back at school before April’,this is in Nottingham.

360107 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Paul, 8, #887 of 1992 🔗

I think (know) each school is making it up on the hoof.

360115 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Paul, 2, #888 of 1992 🔗

the responses have diverged so much from any scientific justification all we can say is ‘god alone knows’ – the politicians dont know. Edmunds from SAGE seems to be a zero-covid fan. there are others – Woolhouse said lockdown 1 was a massive mistake – surely he must think the rest are

I think someone richer than China needs to bribe WHO to say lockdowns are catastrophic from a health point of view

360153 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to steve_w, 3, #889 of 1992 🔗

‘Richer than China’? Don’t they own most of America and Europe?

360201 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to steve_w, 1, #890 of 1992 🔗

China is now the world’s largest economy. There is no one richer than China.

360129 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Paul, 6, #891 of 1992 🔗

I wouldn’t be surprised. Would anyone?

A very power and vociferous minority of teachers will do everything in their power to continue to get paid for not working for as long as possible. And you’ll know that’s what they want because they will do everything in their power to sabotage online learning at the same time.

360132 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Paul, 18, #892 of 1992 🔗

Keeping schools closed and denying children their education and social interaction is disgusting and can never be forgiven.

360281 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 2, #893 of 1992 🔗

The government need locking up for the damage they are doing!

360141 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Paul, 1, #894 of 1992 🔗

Sounds very plausible to me.

360177 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Paul, 5, #895 of 1992 🔗

Children’s education, socialisation and mental health are critical – the children need to start protesting with boards in front of schools

360222 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Paul, 11, #896 of 1992 🔗

And to think – just a few years ago, I was fighting (as a Chair of Governors) against fining parents for taking junior school children out of school for family holidays etc!

Now they can lose the best part of a year’s schooling on government diktat because of a fairly ordinary infection.

360286 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to RickH, #897 of 1992 🔗

Very true

360565 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Paul, 1, #898 of 1992 🔗

Undoubtedly true. The unions will be screaming about death and destruction again. There will be yet another new strain – or several. The teachers won’t go back until they’ve had the magic jab. April seems optimistic to me.

360136 ▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #899 of 1992 🔗

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donated R27 million to SAHPRA (part of the SA govt), about 90% of SAHPRA’s funding (as per SAHPRA’s financial records).

SAHPRA are the ones who banned Ivermectin in SA.

https://docdro.id/Y5aLeNz

360239 ▶▶ dpj, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #900 of 1992 🔗

As our pal Marianna at the BBC will tell you it’s all just a big coincidence that Mr Gates name keeps turning up.

360139 ▶ Biggles, replying to Biggles, 15, #901 of 1992 🔗

Now these are waves. Not pandemic waves though as the graph shows Matt Hancock’s expenses which were £60,373.12 for the period shown. He even claims the Telegraph.

360154 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Biggles, 14, #902 of 1992 🔗

That wet-lipped talentless lamebrain’s bastard’s expenses are twice my earnings.

i swear, I’d become a socialist – if it weren’t for the fact that the only true firebrand socialist in my family had shedloads of BT shares and a house worth three quarters of a million quid.

I can see now that I should have studied hypocrisy at university instead of history.

360311 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #903 of 1992 🔗

These are the latest figures. It will be interesting to see the next graph as the curve seems to be going ballistic in May 2020.

360504 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #904 of 1992 🔗

That is truly corrupt. MPso expenses should be capped at £5k a year. Anything else they should pay for themselves

360216 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Biggles, 1, #905 of 1992 🔗

360146 ▶ RickH, replying to RickH, #906 of 1992 🔗

I get worried by alternative hysteria such as this Conservative Woman article :

“ Covid policies will kill more than Mao, Stalin and Hitler combined”

It really doesn’t help.

360156 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 5, #907 of 1992 🔗

To be fair on Laura, Mao, Stalin and Hitler left the dirty work to others so technically they didn’t kill many, personally.

(I’ve just spent two hours on the phone to an HSBC call centre, on a shaky line, from Thailand. This is the humour of a drowning man. Don’t hate me. Also, I voted you up.)

360181 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -1, #908 of 1992 🔗

Yes – but accepting the basic thesis, I reckon it’s wrong, and a wrong parallel.

360192 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 1, #909 of 1992 🔗

I think you’re right. I feel her anger, though. And my own anger has led me to make some fairly daft remarks on here from time to time. This is the trouble with Twitter. She should be more careful on there.

360208 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #910 of 1992 🔗

Yes – we all do it, I know

360173 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 3, #911 of 1992 🔗

Rick,

I am not sure she’s wrong.

Whether she should articulate it in the manner she does is another question.

If you doubt what I say is true then start with this:

https://www.news18.com/news/world/covid-19-lockdown-may-lead-to-devastating-surge-in-tb-cases-warns-study-2607459.html

It is the economic effects of lockdowns and disruption of education which will lead to lliving standards being lower than they would otherwise have been for the forseeable future – paricularly in poor countries.

360179 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 5, #912 of 1992 🔗

Just to sty in the UK, I think for a start that tens of thousands of people with cancer are going to die earlier than they would otherwise have done, due to missed or delayed treatments and screenings.

..and that’s just one disease in one country.

360200 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to rockoman, 3, #913 of 1992 🔗

He’s right, though – her tweet is meat and drink to people like that MP O’Brien who want to cancel lockdown sceptics.

360691 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #914 of 1992 🔗

Meanwhile. In the land where the Stasi meets jolly hockey sticks …

360257 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, #915 of 1992 🔗

Yes – but that’s about untreated disease and ancillary deaths – not ‘killing’.

Sorry – I just think that precision is important in countering imprecision and deliberate falsehood.

360279 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 1, #916 of 1992 🔗

I agree, she needs to express herself better.

Perhaps best to stick to the simple line that the measures kill more than ‘covid’

Best to leave Hitler and Co. out of it.

361454 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to rockoman, #917 of 1992 🔗

You might question the cancer business just as you may be willing to question covid business.

There are some who will awaken responsibility as a result of being thrown back on their resources.

Iatrogenic disease is killer no3 in Uk and USA – and perhaps in other developed markets.

How spiritually resilient are people when their ‘world falls apart’?
We are finding our/actively engaged.

Waking responsibility for consciousness and health – or succumbing to fear.
So while under mainstream belief you are right, there are other ways to see and live that a mainstream narrative denies. I do not reinforce the nocebo effect of mass hypnosis.

Start a new education process (or deepen our education process).

360187 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to RickH, 5, #918 of 1992 🔗

Poverty kills.

360251 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #919 of 1992 🔗

Of course it does – or rather increases vulnerability. But get into that sort of argument, and you are immediately defusing the core issues about Covid.

It’s a different strand of argument – on the Cost/Benefit dimension.

360310 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to RickH, 1, #920 of 1992 🔗

I suspect that extreme poverty will become the central theme soon enough, that by which all other concerns will pale in comparison.

360213 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RickH, 1, #921 of 1992 🔗

I agree. Plays into the hands of those who are all too ready to portray us as swivel-eyed.

361447 ▶▶ Binra, replying to RickH, #922 of 1992 🔗

If Economy is crashed, food and energy shortages, Boris’s genes haven’t yet been reorganised as Solyent Pork – how do you see it panning out?
QE or UBI for the masses presumes something in the shops to buy.
I don’t feel for hysteria either, but rather to bring the fear into awareness.
People have to learn for themselves that indulging emotions does not help and actively undermines consciousness, communication, action and fulfilment of need.

360160 ▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 11, #923 of 1992 🔗

So this virus has an extraordinarily super-bionic infection rate yet is spreading through the population soooo slooowwwwllllyyyy…..

We are told that a reasonable level of herd immunity could not have been achieved at the end of last spring, as the death curve suggests/screams, because mass PCR testing tell us so.

We know it is definitely covid and not the seasonal flu, that shares the same symptoms, because mass PCR testing tell us so.

erm… where has seasonal flu gone?

360167 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Major Panic, 4, #924 of 1992 🔗

There are so many contradictions. It would be nice to collate them.

Masks/ distancing works for flu doesn’t work for COVID….

360219 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #925 of 1992 🔗

Not only that.

Masks also seem to have contained flu in Sweden and Belarus, although hardly anyone is wearing them there.

In Cambodia, people have been wearing masks. However, people there are still getting flu.

No daths from covid in Cambodia however.

It seems that countries either get flu or covid, but not both.

360207 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Major Panic, 11, #926 of 1992 🔗

Remember back in the day every winter some ‘bug/virus’ would break out and we took some medicine or spent a few days in bed then carried on? Yeh me too!

360161 ▶ rockoman, replying to rockoman, 15, #927 of 1992 🔗

““If a lockdown worked the first time, why are we doing it again? If a lockdown didn’t work the first time, why are we doing it again?”

https://twitter.com/stacey_rudin/status/1350266743252529157

360169 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to rockoman, 6, #928 of 1992 🔗

so true

360485 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to rockoman, 3, #929 of 1992 🔗

Worse. Three lockdown later we’re back at square one same slogan same everything. Clearly lockdowns, masks, social distancing haven’t had any effect at all. One must question whether there is a virus at all.

360174 ▶ FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 7, #930 of 1992 🔗

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.

360214 ▶▶ TC, replying to FenTyger, 4, #931 of 1992 🔗

Hanging on in quiet desparation is the English way.
(One of the more depressing,if true, sets of lyrics from the mighty ‘Floyd.)

360238 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to TC, 4, #932 of 1992 🔗

I actually think that is exactly what a lot of people are doing.

360178 ▶ J4mes, replying to J4mes, 4, #933 of 1992 🔗

I often think of the history of the barbarians, how they were people who did not want to live in a ‘civilised society’ and preferred to live as outsiders. They were, and continue to be, demonised as mindless beasts. It was propaganda to pull outsiders into the control of tax systems.

And so it seems to me that even if we were to go live off-grid and effectively become ‘barbarians’ the state would track us down and force us to conform to Covid.

360203 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to J4mes, 4, #934 of 1992 🔗

In the opening scene of “Gladiator” I always cheer for the Germanic tribes who just want to live free in their forests.

360230 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #935 of 1992 🔗

Yes, Gladiator is a good example. And it shows what happens once the barbarians are pulled back into society: they’re enslaved and made to fight each other.

360234 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #936 of 1992 🔗

The Germanic tribe’s forest was just outside Farnham, Surrey.

360191 ▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 14, #937 of 1992 🔗

We had Neil Ferguson on LBC this morning. Matt Frei managed to interview him for half an hour without asking a single difficult question such as: –

why did his modelling assume equal susceptibility when the virus is lethal only to the very old or already sick?
why did his modelling not assume any prior immunity?
why are we restriction the healthy population whether us so much evidence that the virus spreads more in care and hospital settings?
what is the morality behind not allowing children education or exercise to keep 90 year olds alive for a few more months?
where is his evidence for the success or otherwise of his modelling when there are so many real-world examples now of better outcomes with extra restrictions?

Ah well, back to Talk Radio!

360198 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #938 of 1992 🔗

I meant “without extra restriction”!

360202 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Bill Hickling, 11, #939 of 1992 🔗

The important difficult question: Didn’t you step down as disgraced government adviser?

360330 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #940 of 1992 🔗

The fundamental one is why does he think his modelling should be applied to the real world when it’s not validated or verified? Would he like his water quality to have the same standards?

360355 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #941 of 1992 🔗

One that I’d like to see him – or indeed anyone, Labour or Conservative – answer is: tell us exactly how many lives lockdowns save. Or indeed, can they produce anyone in public & say, ‘lockdown saved this person &/or their families’ life?’ we can surely see the other side of the equation; we are seeing how many lives are being totally destroyed.

360212 ▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 4, #942 of 1992 🔗

Year to date number of deaths and age-standardised mortality rates, deaths registered between 1 January and 30 November 2001 to 2020, England
Year   Number of deaths Rate per 100,000 population
2001   454,756     1,227.9
2002   454,687     1,216.1
2003   454,801     1,207.8
2004   436,209     1,146.0
2005   437,603     1,134.7
2006   432,515     1,105.2
2007   429,654     1,082.7
2008   425,657     1,060.0
2009   416,450     1,018.3
2010   416,028     997.7
2011   412,119     968.0
2012   427,111      982.3
2013   433,578      979.5
2014   422,396      933.6
2015   452,814      985.6
2016   448,167      958.2
2017   456,588      959.8
2018   467,149      965.7
2019   452,084      915.0
2020   517,148      1,029.4

Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020&nbsp ;.

copied this from a post from yesterday, some simple adding up and dividing gives average annual deaths per 100000 over the last 20 years is 1042, higher than last years (inc pandemic deaths) of 1029 per 100000

360233 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Major Panic, 1, #943 of 1992 🔗

Are these figures based on age standardised mortality rates per 100,000? I am looking at the crude mortality rates per 100,000 which appear significantly lower in comparison to 2020.

I presume age standardised is preferred as it takes into account an aging population? A factor the media are not considering?

360263 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #944 of 1992 🔗

I copied and pasted everything down to and including the link from a post in yesterday mornings comments – i don’t know if the title is correct

360401 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #945 of 1992 🔗

Yes, these are age-standardised. The figures for January to December are due to be released on 18 January, so then we will have the age-standardised mortality rate per 100,000 for England and Wales, for the whole of 2020.

360246 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Major Panic, 7, #946 of 1992 🔗

Notice how mortality rates turn after 2014

Notice how low it was in 2019, helping to create a ‘dry tinder’ effect for 2020.

If you average out 2019 and 2020, the mortality is completely in line with previous years, despite the mortality-increasing effects of lockdown – expulsions from hospitals etc.

360275 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to rockoman, 1, #947 of 1992 🔗

absolutely

360247 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Major Panic, #948 of 1992 🔗

Getting a 404 on that link.

360270 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #949 of 1992 🔗

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/15/latest-news-255/#comment-357491

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020

360276 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Major Panic, #950 of 1992 🔗

Thanks, got it now.

360228 Jo Starlin, 12, #951 of 1992 🔗

Deaths in week 51 2019 in England and Wales (no bank holidays to skew figures): 11,926.

Same week 2020: 13,011

Hundreds of people a day are not dying “of” Covid.

360244 ▶ Annie, replying to Annie, 105, #952 of 1992 🔗

It’s dawned on me that whatever happens, I will never get my old life back.
First and foremost, because a country in which the horrors we have seen are actually conceivable is not the country I thought I was living in.
Secondly, because for the rest of my life I shall know that these horrors can be inflicted again, at the drop of a hat.
Thirdly, because I have utterly lost faith in human nature. I didn’t realise that cowardice, stupidity and vindictiveness were its chief constituents.
Fourthly, because pretty well every institution and human association that I consciously or unconsciously put any faith in has turned out to be stinking rotten. Worst of all, the church. Second worst, the Welsh nation. Somewhere far behind, venomous tiddlers like the National Trust. At the bottom, government. I never thought of myself as naïve where governments were concerned, but until this horror began, I vaguely considered that western democratic governments were rather benevolent than otherwise. I was not just naïve, but blind and bonkers.
Fifthly, because I am known to be a sceptic and a non-mask wearer and so a lot of local people hate me, and will continue to do so.
Sixthly, because it seems unlikely that any of the social activities I used to enjoy will ever resume. The belief that other people are walking sprayguns of Death has taken such a firm hold that it will never lapse, especially if we get annual lockdowns, as now seems likely. Even activities that can, to some extent, be pursued alone have lost their savour. For example, I spent years enthusiastically learning Welsh, because I thought it was the language of a proud and cultured nation. But now – why bother to engage with the language of a nation of cowards and dolts?
Ah well. I’m in my mid-sixties. By the grace of God I have lived most of my life in what I was deluded enough to think was a free country. I’ve done most of the things that I wanted to do, and seen most of the things that I wanted to see. By the mercy of God, I have no children or grandchildren who will have to live for many years in this horrible new prison world. By the kindness of God and through undeserved good fortune, I still have a home and a partner and a dog and a horse. I am fortunate.
And it may be that the new life will have its compensations. Hard to believe, but you always have to rebuild something on the ruins.
Perhaps, even, life is still a great adventure. In any case, I still prefer it to death. And if my being still alive annoys people, that’s all to the good.

360265 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Annie, 31, #953 of 1992 🔗

Annie, I find myself in the unusual position of feeling I need to perk you up.

I agree with your senstiments about human nature and institutions etc, but do not think this situation is permanent.

It is economically/financially unsustainable, and people are gradually coming round.

It is only permanent if it reaches some kind of steady equilibrium, and that is not the case- Those responsible have started a cascade of effects they can neither foresee nor control.

360338 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to rockoman, 21, #954 of 1992 🔗

Certainly hit the nail on the head there, it’s unsustainable people are becoming pissed of slowly but surely the tide will turn of that their is no doubt.

360792 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to rockoman, 6, #955 of 1992 🔗

I hope you’re right, rockoman.

360298 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Annie, 30, #956 of 1992 🔗

A very moving piece of elegiac prose, Annie.
I too have passed 60 now and feel glad to have more years behind than before me. The loss of nearly everything I thought to be stable only a year ago is a waking thought every day and the weight of it becomes more oppressive as the day wears on. My disappointment at how this has exposed the reality of human nature is perhaps the worst thing of all. The realisation of how gullible, wilfully ignorant and spiteful ordinary people actually are is deeply upsetting. We know this now and we can never un-know it so how can there ever be normal life again?

360354 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Steve F, 18, #957 of 1992 🔗

That’s the way I don’t see my life returning to Normal. I was no longer the idealist of my youth and had become pretty cynical over the years – but Lockdown has put the tin lid on it for me. From here on in – I’ll remember that there are a higher proportion of nasty people out there than I thought there was (those Covid Snoops) and one heck of a lot more gullible people than I thought there was and/or without a backbone to them. There has been an element of “What will people think?” about ensuring I kept up certain standards (eg home and personal grooming) but now I’m thinking “Why should I bother what many of them think? – as they certainly don’t care about me”.

360929 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to ElizaP, 3, #958 of 1992 🔗

This is also certain to make me continue to be very prickly and suspicious in the future: less trusting of normal bonhomie and waiting for that moment when I realise that the person I’m talking to is actually a zombie pretending to be a human being.

360301 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Annie, 11, #959 of 1992 🔗

Stirring stuff Annie. Thankyou for telling it straight.

360309 ▶▶ Edumacated eejit, replying to Annie, 16, #960 of 1992 🔗

Brilliantly put, thank you.

The fundamental change that has occurred in our lifetime is the snapping of our link to the chain of common sense, that chain forged by uncountable past generations and comprised of accumulated wisdom and human survival advice. I sensed that our link was being weakened from about the 80s and finally snapped around mid- 90s. Once broken it has gone forever!

360318 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Annie, 11, #961 of 1992 🔗

Thankyou for this phenomenal post, Annie. You have summed up so much of what I feel.

360339 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Annie, 8, #962 of 1992 🔗

I really enjoy reading your posts Annie and this is the best yet.

360359 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Annie, 12, #963 of 1992 🔗

Oh, how this resonates with me right now! But there IS much to see and appreciate. This is a new beginning and it WILL get better, it’s mean’t to. Everything happens for a reason.This is a very hard time at the moment, a very crunchy time as we watch all the old systems being dismantled in front of our eyes, breaking down everything we knew, that appeared comfortable but was in fact not working anymore. See this as a transition into a great awakening. I can absolutely assure you millions are going through the same right now, and we’re ALL feeling this, and its NO bad thing! Humanity is ascending into a higher state of consciousness, and what threatens our dark overlords is our light. Nothing can hold this back, not even them, in fact they are unwittingly helping this by exposing their plans to us now. We need to watch, observe, feel and move forward, and do it with love and truth, taking everyone with us, even those who disagree with us. It’s hard and it’s going to get harder but we will win.

360798 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to HelenaHancart, 3, #964 of 1992 🔗

Thank you, Helena, let’s keep our eyes on the light.

360366 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 10, #965 of 1992 🔗

Every so often, few generations or even centuries or so, a society has to re-invent itself – as if the old one doesn’t work any more and the new has to come in. Think of a crab which has to shed its old shell and go into hiding until it gets a new one as it grows bigger.

Someone described the American Civil War as a society being crucified so that it could be reborn. The same could be said about the English Civil Wars. Maybe that’s what’s happening now. Our society had been going badly wrong for say quarter of a century now. We have to re-invent ourselves. And that isn’t painless – the old has to be purged to make way for the new. Maybe we are going through this now. People need to be brought face-to-face with what has been going on around them: and when they wake up from their hysteria they will do so. It isn’t going to be pretty but maybe it’s the rebirth our society needs.

There will be much collateral damage along the way, but I remain confident the light will prevail.

360374 ▶▶ jos, replying to Annie, 14, #966 of 1992 🔗

Wow Annie – that’s so powerful and moving.. I feel the same but have a daughter and watching her suffering through this is what hits me the hardest- the realisation that it may be a long time before she can find a job / be with friends again/ see a film in the cinema / just live a life.. it’s shattered our lives and picking up the pieces doesn’t seem to be important to anyone directing this insane disaster movie..

360801 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jos, 7, #967 of 1992 🔗

I pray daily for the young ones, the babies and the little children.
Heck, I don’t actually like babies. But the thought if them coming into a world without faces appals me.

360387 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Annie, 5, #968 of 1992 🔗

This too will pass:

Only a man harrowing clods
In a slow silent walk
With an old horse that stumbles and nods
Half asleep as they stalk.

II
Only thin smoke without flame
From the heaps of couch-grass;
Yet this will go onward the same
Though Dynasties pass.

III
Yonder a maid and her wight
Come whispering by:
War’s annals will cloud into night
Ere their story die.

Thomas Hardy

360803 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mikewaite, 1, #969 of 1992 🔗

Don’t make me cry!

360439 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 15, #970 of 1992 🔗

Beautifully and movingly put Annie. I agree with everything you have written here, especially the part about those institutions previously believed in are now showing themselves to be rotten to the core. We and goodness and truth have to prevail.

360252 ▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 25, #971 of 1992 🔗

Last week when I checked for a relative so I could explain the difference between the “day reported” and “day of death” numbers the number of “covid” deaths for the 7th Jan 2021 was 242.

I checked the numbers for the 7th Jan today it shows 780 although I have noticed the 2 tabs on the graphs have changed from last week where they were “day reported”a nd “day of death” and are now “national” and “country” using a link I saved so makes it harder to backtrack the changes.

This showed her what I meant by the numbers being revised as the paperwork goes through the system and this proves the daily headline numbers being reported and used to keep the restrictions going are a lot of bullshit and this is where the scary 1300+ numbers disappear to eventually.

Now she’s a sceptic and starting to question.

Annoyed a few others in the family who say I’m turning her to the dark side or grooming her like a pedophile 9She’s 74) would but as it’s the first time in year’s they actually spoken to me do I care what they think?

Do I fuck!

360667 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Awkward Git, #972 of 1992 🔗

Using this site, you may be able to spot the changes made. It archives webpages – with the date tool you can see saved older versions of pages on a site.

https://archive.org/web/web.php

360259 ▶ Edumacated eejit, replying to Edumacated eejit, 3, #973 of 1992 🔗

Re Dominic Ford’s article on the potential liabilities of the NHS, I am confused by his assertion, “ Potential claimants should also be aware that it is insurance companies, not the NHS itself, which pay the costs of such claims therefore the alleged ‘hero’ status should not be a deterrent”. I always understood that the NHS does not have cover and they pay out of a common pot that is funded by the various Trusts that make up the NHS.

My understanding is supported by reports such as from the BBC in 2020 which included this quote: “ Dr Christine Tomkins, its chief executive, said: ‘This is money that should be going to healthcare, but instead is going to compensation claims – which is impairing all of our access to healthcare.'”

360411 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Edumacated eejit, 1, #974 of 1992 🔗

It is paid by insurance that quote is emotional blackmail. Not only that people have a tight to new compensated for medical negligence. In my previous career I worked with an insurance Loss Adjuster working solely on claims against the NHS.

360267 ▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 7, #975 of 1992 🔗

This is from my employer:
8. Sharing of inappropriate information on Social Media
It is essential that people receive the correct information; so we are asking that staff do not post or share inappropriate information on social media regarding anti-vaccine and conspiracy theories .
As many of you will have seen, conspiracy theories about the origin, severity and prevention of Covid-19 have grown on social media. False claims are now also being circulated among anti-vaxxer groups around the Covid-19 vaccine.
To help, the BBC has put together some useful ‘Reality Check’ information and advice around false vaccines claims, which can be found here. There is also a link to the Gov.uk website Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine – NHS (www.nhs.uk).
The reasons why people choose not to vaccinate are complicated, and it is advised that staff take a non-confrontational approach when you see these posts on social media.
As key workers, we are trusted advisers and influencers of vaccination decision s, and we must provide trusted, credible information on vaccines where possible.

360340 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to p02099003, 7, #976 of 1992 🔗

Will these ‘trusted advisors and influencers’ give an accurate answer when asked about the toxicity profile of the vaccines, particularly the % of Grade 3-5 SAE’s of the Moderna effort?
Not an earthly…

It’s precisely what I am going to ask when the time comes.

360365 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to p02099003, 4, #977 of 1992 🔗

Do they know they are giving an unlicensed product with the vaccine? Trusted advisors, eh?

360433 ▶▶ Will, replying to p02099003, 1, #978 of 1992 🔗

I have read two bits of vaccine propaganda on FB allegedly shared by healthcare professionals. Neither piece read as genuine.

360436 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to p02099003, 6, #979 of 1992 🔗

I have never before seen such a multi-faceted campaign for conformity of thought and speech within our society. Yes, there has certainly been a trend in this direction, but this seems like ‘the big push’, hammering down every nail that sticks out that can be found.

Incredible events we are witnessing.

360449 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 17, #980 of 1992 🔗

This was my response to the above:
“I was disappointed to read the exhortation about social media posts.

I find the language, conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxers, unnecessarily provocative and disingenuous.

Would you consider the likes of Professors Henighan, Gupta and Lee, Dr Claire Craig Dr Malcolm Kendrick and Dr Sam Bailey conspiracy theorists? The latter two are GPs in the U.K. and New Zealand respectively. The others are clinical pathologists and epidemiologists.

The whole lockdown scenario has, in my opinion, been correctly questioned. This has never been done in past pandemics (1968/69 Hong Kong flu for example) so why now? The justification was based on a questionable computer model and came in after the infection rate was starting to drop off.

There are valid concerns about the vaccine and its efficacy.

Malcolm Kendrick is a GP and hospital doctor who has raised concerns about the vaccine, particularly the lack of testing and the speed it was produced.

The end date for the all trial data is 18 months or more away, leading people to think that the current vaccination programme forms part of the trial itself. This concern is made worse because the age group currently being vaccinated were not represented in the original trials. Another concern is that the vaccination requires informed consent, which involves identifying all of the risks, some of which have not been quantified with “unknown” being the written response from the manufacturers. The benefits also have to be expressed, and it is known that the vaccine does not induce immunity but mitigates against severity of symptoms (in this respect it is akin to the flu vaccine). Another risk that has not been assessed in the older age group is the possibility of an overreaction of their immune system (cytokine storm or sepsis).

There are concerns about the ingredients in the vaccine, some are cultural (certain cultures request prescribed medication that doesn’t contain gelatine for example) and some are unfounded.

I would argue that anti vaxxer is an emotional term. Parents, in particular, have concerns about vaccines in their children which can be hopefully alleviated.

However, when multiple clinicians raise questions about a vaccine then they should be listened to. To do so is not anti vaccination but common sense.

The vaccine programme has now gone completely away from the manufacturers advice, with mix and match between different vaccines, single doses instead of double doses, second doses given after an extended period.

People think they are immune immediately after a single dose when there is a question over whether recipients are able to spread the virus or not.

Finally, the world health organisation has changed the definition of herd immunity from being achieved through previous infection plus vaccination to being achieved through vaccination only.

When organisations move the goal posts like this then people do begin to question the reason why, which leads to “conspiracy theories” ( fio conspiracy theory was a term created by the CIA in the 1960’s in response to Americans questioning the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963).

Just to clarify,

I have had my vaccinations, and was a recipient of a trial vaccination in the early 1960’s (polio); however the late 1950’s/early 1960’s were also renowned for one of the biggest medical blunders when a drug was licensed based entirely on the test data from the manufacturers, the drug being thalidomide.”

360533 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to p02099003, #981 of 1992 🔗

we must provide trusted, credible information on vaccines where possible.

Surely, impartial accurate information is what ought to be offered?

360277 Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #982 of 1992 🔗

I’d heartily recommend the (American) Unsafe Space guys, Keri Smith and Carter Laren, particularly their Covfefe Break stream. Great videos, still on yt, just. Worth a watch. Telling it how it is. Most stuff you will know and some you won’t but cheery and outspoken, some Covid but also the broader SJW stuff and may lift the mood perhaps.
https://youtu.be/pbvdp5PMBao

360283 ▶ Edward, replying to Edward, 2, #983 of 1992 🔗

“Hot tub horror as maniac goes on rampage” – main headline in today’s Derby Telegraph.
Is this a slight return to normality in the world of trashy newspapers? Probably not, but it makes a change from “Covid horror engulfs city hospital”. I made that one up, but it’s not untypical.

360788 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Edward, #984 of 1992 🔗

You can catch hit Covid from a hot tub.Stands to reason.

360291 ▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #985 of 1992 🔗

Was it Lenin who spoke of useful idiots of the capitalists selling the rope he was going to hung them with?
Perhaps the Western oligarchs should call the following useful idiots, Starmer, Labour party, Guardanistas, independent SAGE?
Who would profit most of endless lockdowns?
It is beyond belief than any liberal, progressive, leftist can support the biggest assault on working class/middle class ever

360319 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to swedenborg, 5, #986 of 1992 🔗

there must be money in them there lockdowns

360329 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to swedenborg, #987 of 1992 🔗

Zhong’s done well!

360347 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #988 of 1992 🔗

You omitted the Tory Party.

360618 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to RickH, 1, #989 of 1992 🔗

They are not useful idiots,they are plain idiots

360432 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to swedenborg, 1, #990 of 1992 🔗

Useful Idiots described those whose actions helped the Bolsheviks though they would be cast aside as soon as was convenient.
SAGE proper clearly fit this.

360490 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to swedenborg, 1, #991 of 1992 🔗

Disgraceful, where’s the diversity?

360296 ▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 51, #992 of 1992 🔗

This might seem a bit random, but given I’ve nobody else to talk to I’ll just state my fundamental principles. We all look closely at evidence and death counts etc, and I firmly believe all logic and reason is on our side.

However, to me, if Covid was ten or twenty or fifty times more deadly than it is, if the streets were strewn with corpses, lockdown would still be an act of abominable evil. It is better to die than to live like this.

That’s it.

360343 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #993 of 1992 🔗

Agreed!

With the exception of:

“It is better to die than to live like this.”

If it were a permanent state – yes.

But it isn’t.

Those responsible, have unleashed a chain of consequences, which, as I mentioned previously to Annie, they can neither predict nor control.

360379 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to rockoman, 3, #994 of 1992 🔗

My only hope (and prayer) is that it’s not permanent.

360348 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Jo Starlin, 21, #995 of 1992 🔗

You are right about looking too closely at the statistics and this has been a a problem from day one. You have to look – or at least try – to see it from a distance to understand how ludicrous the vast majority of these ‘measures’ are to keep us safe really are. However, if your second point was true there would be no real need for instrcuctions and diktats as folk would naturally take steps to keep themselves as safe as possible anyway. The main problem is that governments are still sucessfully selling that type of worst case scenario even though it is nothing like it and never has been. The fact that people cannot take on board that Covid 19 isn’t dangerous for the very large percentage of society is one of the biggest mysteries about the who s@*t show.

360375 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 3, #996 of 1992 🔗

Propaganda is a powerful tool.

360392 ▶▶ james007, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #997 of 1992 🔗

Whilst I think the scientific arguments are important, I would like to see more debate around the moral justification (lack of).

360407 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #998 of 1992 🔗

Totally agree

Freedom is not an absolute but it has a very high value

It’s very hard to come up with any scenario in which compulsion would be at the same time justifiable and necessary

It’s the harder of the arguments to make though – easier to just point out virus is not as dangerous as first thought and lockdowns don’t help anyway

People seem not to value freedom that much

360415 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #999 of 1992 🔗

As has been said so many times before, if such a situation were to arise, people would adjust their own behaviour accordingly without any instruction at all.

360421 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1000 of 1992 🔗

During Londons great plague of 1665 it was peoples own neighbours who locked plaguies inside their houses.
Nailed the doors and windows tight from the outside, they needed little instruction.

360464 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to karenovirus, 5, #1001 of 1992 🔗

Don’t give them ideas, K.

360427 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1002 of 1992 🔗

Exactly. I’d also add that if the streets were strewn with corpses, lockdown would be entirely unnecessary since everyone would stay indoors of their own volition.

360473 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1003 of 1992 🔗

… but while the tired waves, vainly breaking,
seem HERE no painful inch to gain,
far out, through creeks and inlets making,
comes silent, flooding in, the Main!

It may be closer than it looks.

360786 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1004 of 1992 🔗

It’s certainly better to accept a (minimal) risk of covvideath than to live like this.
If it were pneumonic plague I’d doubtless rearrange my priorities.

360320 ▶ rockoman, replying to rockoman, 23, #1005 of 1992 🔗

Cristi.Neagu (downpage) is advocating for mask-wearing, presumably because he or she thinks that a respiratory pandemic is going around.

Let’s make it clear to him/her that in the absence of scientific evidence – and in science that means randomized, controlled trials- for the benefits of mask-wearing, that the onus is on him/her to justify to us why we should wear one.

WE do not have to justify not wearing one.

360324 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to rockoman, 14, #1006 of 1992 🔗

The thing is we do have multiple trials throughout the west now. We have the perfect comparison between North and South Dakota. They don’t work.

360372 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1007 of 1992 🔗

You mean to say those creepy crow-like herb poltice masks of mediaeval day really served no purpose? It is as though centuries of common knowledge has been proved right.

These scientist fellows are mighty. Reliable only to cause dangerous confusion at the moments when crystal clear clarity is required. I wonder what motivates scientists to cause, or silently concur with, such dangerous practices. I presume arrgoance of looking from high across the peaceful, loving people. Perhaps an inner knowing they are a fraud keeps others silent.

It is a laughable absurdity of the human condition that glorified alchemists can seperate off up the arsehole of logic with such myopic obsession they think of themselves as rightful leaders of billions. If fact these people are nothing more than an opinion.

360349 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to rockoman, 5, #1008 of 1992 🔗

Which is why I told him that his comment was ‘utter garbage’.

360479 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to rockoman, 2, #1009 of 1992 🔗

I tried. He moved the goalposts. I put it down to Dunning-Kruger midwit and called it a day.

360518 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to rockoman, 2, #1010 of 1992 🔗

I challenged Cristi, pointing that s/he would have to be explicit about their reasoning and evidence to persuade people. S/he responded by claiming they were not trying to persuade anyone, and asserted they had been as explicit as it was possible to be.

360332 rockoman, 29, #1011 of 1992 🔗

This is a question I like to pose now and then:

When was the last time, before 2020, that social distancing and mask-wearing was imposed on a population?

Answer:

By the authorities in Guantanamo Bay on their captives, when the prison camp opened following 2001.

360333 ▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1012 of 1992 🔗

We have heard that diabetics have greater risk for C-19.But not all. Those with treatment metformin seems paradoxically have a very low risk of mortality from C-19,amost protective. There are even more studies showing this. Now great interest to see if the drug/part of the drug could be useful for C-19 treatment

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666756820300337

Metformin and risk of mortality in patients hospitalised with COVID-19: a retrospective cohort analysis

360353 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1013 of 1992 🔗

If it is effective Swedenborg, then presumably it will get the HCQ or Ivermectin treatment.

360377 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1014 of 1992 🔗

Swedenborg, have you seen any mention of methotrexate as a potential treatment for acutely ill patients? One of my daughter’s medical team mentioned back in March/ April that they thought methotrexate might stop the immune system going into overdrive but I have seen no mention of it since.

360430 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Will, 3, #1015 of 1992 🔗

Methotrexate, like HCQ, is used for rheumatoid arthritis treatment. It is much more toxic than HCQ but does suppress an inflammatory response.

360696 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to swedenborg, #1016 of 1992 🔗

Metformin linked to Vitamin B12 deficiency, pernicious anaemia

https://dailyhealthpost.com/side-effects-of-metformin/

360350 ▶ jos, replying to jos, 23, #1017 of 1992 🔗

Does anyone else feel the Salisbury cathedral mass vaccination of the elderly to dramatic organ music sounds like a satanic Hammer horror film? Just me then ..

360351 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to jos, #1018 of 1992 🔗

What – is that real??

360664 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to rockoman, #1019 of 1992 🔗

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/salisbury-cathedral-covid-vaccine-orchestra-live-music-b1788284.html

360356 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to jos, 4, #1020 of 1992 🔗

I think……we’ve all lost it…..the New Abnormal

360363 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to jos, 19, #1021 of 1992 🔗

I went to a funeral back in November. Social distancing, masks (not me, only one not wearing one, boosted my self respect no end!) no singing. Vicar was dressed all in black with his black face mask right up to his eyeballs. He looked like the vicar from hell!
Satanic Hammer horror 2…the sequel!

360380 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Harry hopkins, 11, #1022 of 1992 🔗

I know what you mean. It’s people talking, lecturing, issuing diktats, whatever – still wearing these muzzles that I find HUGELY offensive.

I’m going to start ignoring anyone who speaks to me through a muzzle. I can’t tell them to remove it, but I don’t have to hear what they’re saying. My tinnitus will suddenly get worse….

360413 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1023 of 1992 🔗

I saw that at a churchyard wedding at the height of summer.

360440 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1024 of 1992 🔗

Did the happy couple take their masks off to kiss? In all the madness going on I’ve yet to see a mask to mask kiss—-but there’s time yet I suppose!

360736 ▶▶ RickH, replying to jos, 2, #1025 of 1992 🔗

Yes – a bit like the history of religion – one cult takes over the forms of others – even to the extent of undermining its own belief system. It’s a fascinating study.

An extension is the way in which quite sophisticated philosophical models degrade into primitive dogma and ritual. Daoism is a classic example, as well as the obvious example of the developing power structures of early Christianity post-Constantine.

Primitive emotion and ‘authority’ always wins out. The Catholic Church has survived well over a millennium on a takeover based on it.

No wonder the adoption of the authority of lockdown and masking has been adopted so widely and enthusiastically by the churches – the emotional roots are their bread and butter.

360357 Andrew K, 5, #1026 of 1992 🔗

Anti lockdown music video

https://www.bitchute.com/video/AriMzkJduHRn/

360367 ▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1027 of 1992 🔗

Can anyone shed any light on this? What material are swabs made of nylon? Or?

Nanotech on Covid Swabs?

At first I thought it was a wind up or a foil hat wearer, but the longer you watch it the more bizarre it looks. Is it just nylon fibres & static? Is there a simple explanation? Anyone.

360386 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1028 of 1992 🔗

I thought cotton buds were made with…cotton. One of the buds in the (poor quality) video is a regular cotton bud (the blue one) – the other is difficult to see whether it is a nasopharyngeal one or not (it would have to be much longer than the blue one if it is a nasopharyngeal bud). Individual fibres showing electrostatic charge sounds quite reasonable to me.

DavidC

360515 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DavidC, #1029 of 1992 🔗

Indeed we have no idea what it was they were filming, my first thought was static but then was curious what it is they are getting people to prod their brain with.

I saw a report a self administered test caused Cerebrospinal fluid to drip from someone’s nostril, again don’t know if that was true either.

360397 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #1030 of 1992 🔗

I’ve maintained from the very beginning that the PCR tests are completely useless and as for the things they stick up your nose? A pipe cleaner shoved up your backside would be just as accurate.

360419 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1031 of 1992 🔗

Sssh! Before you know they’ll be DOING that!

DavidC

360496 ▶▶▶ Suey, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1032 of 1992 🔗

I think they’re working on that … https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/16/smart-toilets-will-use-anal-fingerprints.aspx

360584 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Harry hopkins, #1033 of 1992 🔗

The point of the swab jam and scrape is to collect the most massive possible sample of genetic material to submit to the PCR process.

This means the chain reaction can brew up more gunk, which means there is a higher probability of a “positive” result.

All quite simple really.

360399 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1034 of 1992 🔗

All I have heard is:

“We need to test, test, test”

360408 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Anti_socialist, #1035 of 1992 🔗

LOL. Thanks for giving me a chuckle.

360521 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tee Ell, #1036 of 1992 🔗

I know I only watched it for a laugh, but then it made we wonder what they were stuffing up peoples noses.

360571 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Anti_socialist, #1037 of 1992 🔗

Oh, so she’s thinking that this fibre is sort of like the ‘morgellons’ fibres? Now there’s a rabbit hole of weirdness and paranoia if ever there was one.

360662 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, #1038 of 1992 🔗

I’ve no idea what “morgellons” are.

360681 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1039 of 1992 🔗

Internet conspiracy that used to do the rounds. People were convinced that fibres were coming out of lesions on their bodies and appeared to move and were nanotech etc. Probably from the chemtrails. Or aliens. Dunno where the name Morgellons came from, but that’s what people called the condition.*

*conspiracy tourism is a guilty pleasure of mine, I’m not actually insane

360370 ▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, 9, #1040 of 1992 🔗

I was just emailing my sceptic relative, and said I was utterly sick of that coercive word ”covid”.
I think I shall re-name it COERCID.

360517 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Banjones, 1, #1041 of 1992 🔗

Reclaim it !

Reason for all bad things that happen – covid.

Why the weather is pretty damp and chilly – covid.

Kids are misbehaving because – covid.

360373 ▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 14, #1042 of 1992 🔗

Out and about this morning to find that a person of little obvious talent has taken over the Graham Norton Saturday morning Radio 2 slot.
Instead of asking her guests ‘so where in the world would you like to visit?

She has to precede it with
‘when you are allowed, when this is all over, when there are no more cases . . .’

I spent the rest of the morning listening to my Best Of The Damned CD, loudly

360381 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1043 of 1992 🔗

In other words, never…

360406 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to happychappy, 5, #1044 of 1992 🔗

I doubt if she knows, just following instructions to mention the Covid as often as possible in that ‘am I really Really your best friend ever ?’ voice.

360417 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to karenovirus, 9, #1045 of 1992 🔗

Not the Saturday morning show, I know, but if I ever need to get up a bit earlier through the week, I set the radio alarm for Zoe Ball’s show. She’s so annoying and vapid (depsite her breathless ‘enthusiasm’) it gets me up straight away as I just HAVE to turn her off! That million plus a year well spent by the BBC!

DavidC

360438 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to DavidC, 2, #1046 of 1992 🔗

Very good!

360443 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to DavidC, 3, #1047 of 1992 🔗

I absolutely loathe her.

360494 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1048 of 1992 🔗

… Best Of The Damned …

Irony ?

360669 ▶▶ dhid, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1049 of 1992 🔗

This is what happens when you listen to the BBC unfortunately.
The Dammed CD sounds like a good alternative.

I prefer to watch paint dry than watch any MSM TV too.

361401 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1050 of 1992 🔗

The Damned . Great choice and a great band that I have seen many times.

360385 ▶ rockoman, replying to rockoman, 4, #1051 of 1992 🔗

We are focused on death rates here, but it will be interesting to watc bith rates now, as all childre now born were conceived after the beginning of ‘the madness’

Chris Hamilton at his blog:

https://econimica.blogspot.com/

says that pregnancies plunged after things began, which accords with my expectations, but doesn’t give a source.

360391 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to rockoman, 2, #1052 of 1992 🔗

I’ve been on about this since the start. Article on the Telegraph the other day predicting the lowest UK birth rate ever this year.

360404 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #1053 of 1992 🔗

You’ll be able to pick this period out on a chart without even needing to look at the date in decades to come. Production, consumption, demographics, on and on, nothing but trough.

360435 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #1054 of 1992 🔗

It is very, very difficult to restore collapsed birth rates. Sometimes the damage is permanent.

360395 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rockoman, 2, #1055 of 1992 🔗

Jeremy Vine discussed this a couple of times, same conclusion.

360396 ▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 21, #1056 of 1992 🔗

I would imagine very few new relationships have formed, and many existing relationships have been destroyed before their due time

Another aspect of this social experiment/torture that is rarely discussed

360409 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, 11, #1057 of 1992 🔗

Not had a meaninful conversation with a woman in 10 months and counting. Tough to breed in these circumstances.

360458 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1058 of 1992 🔗

Concur. even tougher when you look at dating sites/apps, and see probably about 1/3 of profiles who have only half a face displayed, the other half being ‘proudly’ masked up! Another third use their profile text not to display any attractive qualities about themselves, but to point out that they voted Remain well over 4 1/2 years ago….it really is a jungle out there!

360520 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #1059 of 1992 🔗

Thankfully, I haven’t seen this as I gave up on dating sites a long time ago. Trying to form a conversation against one word replies is about as pointless as these lockdowns.

360597 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1060 of 1992 🔗

Are you using “conversation” in its archaic, euphemistic sense?

360634 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Steve F, 1, #1061 of 1992 🔗

Yes, that horrible practice of times gone by.

360896 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to JHUNTZ, #1062 of 1992 🔗

Ferguson managed a bit of “criminal conversation, ” I recall.

360452 ▶▶ houdini, replying to rockoman, 3, #1063 of 1992 🔗

Births this year estimated to be the lowest since 1900 at 569 000 .

724 000 in 2011.
DT yesterday
But who cares about the future in todays current death culture.

360486 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to rockoman, 6, #1064 of 1992 🔗

The impact of a lower birth rate would be particularly bad for Scotland.

For years now the population growth has been relatively flat. This is not good from a GDP perspective, simplistically in order to increase GDP you increase population and/or productivity.

Scotland has relied heavily on immigration/foreign workers to pump up the numbers. I’m fairly sure this is a major consideration in wanting to stay part of the EU with the freedom of movement that comes with it.

Just another notch on the bedpost of bad outcomes arising from how we’ve dealt with this virus.

360508 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rockoman, 7, #1065 of 1992 🔗

They are likely to be plunging – people don’t like to make babies in times of crisis, and there has even been strange advice going around to avoid sexual intercourse and to masturbate instead because of the dread contagion.

360728 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1066 of 1992 🔗

At least with the latter you can’t accuse the govt of ‘don’t do as I do’.

361397 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, #1067 of 1992 🔗

Sex is great but you can`t beat the real thing!

360403 PWL, 4, #1068 of 1992 🔗

In China, SARS was spread by aerosolized toilet water sitting in stinking plumbing systems in degenerating tenement housing stock.

It’s actually why you can’t catch SARS-COV by not wearing a mask in a supermarket.

Latest ICNARC Graphs: Amongst General Reattribution Of Other Illness To Covid-19, Pneumonia From Flu Is A Thing Of The Past

360405 ▶ DavidC, replying to DavidC, 4, #1069 of 1992 🔗

Just a quick thank you to BeBopRockSteady, Will. steve_w, wilko and julian for their responses to my query yesterday regarding Sweden and it suffering no worse than lockdown countries.

DavidC

360412 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to DavidC, 6, #1070 of 1992 🔗

The extra deaths in Sweden are about 5% of what Ferguson’s model suggested they would be, if that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

360752 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, #1071 of 1992 🔗

Don’t mention ‘extra deaths’. Deaths simply vary over time and geography.

The question is simply whether any particular variation is unusual.

360410 ▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 42, #1072 of 1992 🔗

There’s a fella I deliver Chinese food to, very regularly before the coronabollox – in his 40’s, living alone with a son that comes to stay – he was usually the last delivery of the night as, after work, and being very sociable, he’d be seeing his many acquaintances for banter and camaraderie before heading home. He always seemed happy, full of banter and healthy looking, carrying no extra weight, naturally fit.

I hadn’t seen him for a few months until i delivered to him a few weeks ago. He was miserable, said he had long covid, said he had no energy……

Seems to me – sat alone in his house every evening drinking, without the usual crack with friends, what he is actually suffering from is depression – many people require social contact to survive.

360423 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Major Panic, 10, #1073 of 1992 🔗

Sounds like me.

360462 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Major Panic, 8, #1074 of 1992 🔗

Agree, my more extroverted friends are suffering badly.

360756 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1075 of 1992 🔗

Sounds highly likely.

360414 Kevin 2, 8, #1076 of 1992 🔗

Segment from RFK Jr’s CHD:-

3. Downplaying vaccine risks :
The true risk of vaccine injury will continue to be obscured by the habit among public health officials of routinely dismissing reported injuries as unrelated to vaccination.
The practices of systematically overestimating vaccine safety, underestimating vaccine deaths, and exaggerating risks of COVID-19 effectively deprive the public of their right to informed consent.
And so what do we really know about the true risk of COVID-19 vaccines?
Public health officials and industry spokespeople like to say that the risks of serious injury from vaccination are “one in one million.. However, in the first week of distribution, Americans took 200,000 COVID vaccines and reported 5,000 “ serious ” (meaning missed workdays or medical intervention required) injuries.

This is an injury rate of 1 in every 40 jabs . This means that the 150 shots necessary to avert one mild case of COVID will cause serious injury to at least three people.
If the clinical trials are good predictors, that rate is likely to increase dramatically after the second shot (the clinical trials suggested that almost all the benefits of COVID vaccination and vast majority of injuries were associated with the second dose).
We don’t know the true risk of death from the vaccine since regulators have rendered virtually every death invisible by attributing them all to coincidence.
The 1-in-40 risk of “serious injury” from Pfizer’s COVID vaccine is consistent with what we know about other vaccines.
For many years, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has maintained a post-licensing surveillance system known as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Even government insiders like Surgeon General Dr. David Kessler acknowledged that VAERS is an abysmal failure .
Nevertheless, it is only by clinging to this “designed to fail” system that regulators and industry have maintained their pretense that current vaccine risk profiles are acceptable.
A 2010 study funded by HHS concluded that VAERS captured “fewer than 1% of injuries .” In other words, the actual injury rates from mandated vaccines are more than 100x what HHS has been telling the public!
The 2010 HHS study found that the true risk for serious adverse events was 26/1,000, or one in 37.
Similarly, Merck’s clinical trials for Gardasil found that an astonishing half of all vaccine recipients suffered from adverse events, which Merck euphemistically called “new medical conditions,” and that 2.3% of vaccine recipients (1 in 43) suffered from autoimmune disease within six months of vaccination.
Similarly, a recent Italian study found that 46% of vaccine recipients (462 adverse events per 1,000 doses) suffered adverse events, with 11% of these rated “serious,” meaning 38 serious adverse events per 1,000 vaccinated individuals . These include grave gastrointestinal and “serious neurological disorders.” This amounts to a “serious” injury rate of 1/26.
Holocaust survivor Vera Sharav of the Alliance for Human Research Protection has observed that, “Everyone who gets any of these vaccines is participating in a vast medical experiment.”
Health officials generally concur that the granting of “ emergency use authorization ” to the rollout of experimental vaccine technologies with only a few weeks of safety testing, two years before the scheduled completion of Phase 2 testing, is a great human experiment, involving millions of subjects.
But researchers are unlikely to see all of the safety signals if a badly designed surveillance system allows local health officials and company employees the discretion to dismiss any serious injury as unrelated.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/death-by-coincidence/

VAERS catching just 1%….

360418 ▶ Hubes, replying to Hubes, 32, #1077 of 1992 🔗

I’m looking forward to the moment when the still half asleep members of the general public (most of them) finally realise we’re never going to back to normal and that masks, social distancing and lockdowns/tiers are permanent, along with the fact any still on furlough are actually unemployed. They are still living in a dream world and genuinely think once the vaccine has been deployed that’s it.

360426 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Hubes, 16, #1078 of 1992 🔗

I think a shocking number of people genuinely don’t mind – even like? – wearing masks.

360451 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Adamb, 11, #1079 of 1992 🔗

“It’s not a big deal” that’s what has driven compliance to every measure.

360469 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to JHUNTZ, 12, #1080 of 1992 🔗

I think if I ever hear “it’s not a big deal”, I’m going to say, “What, forever?” I’m sure most people would say no to forever…

360476 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #1081 of 1992 🔗

It’s no big deal. It’s just a length of rope. It’s just a little drop, barely 8′

360588 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Adamb, 1, #1082 of 1992 🔗

Tesco delivery chap said he’s so used to it now that he forgets he’s wearing it.

360761 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Adamb, 1, #1083 of 1992 🔗

Sad to say, I tend to agree.

360770 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Adamb, 1, #1084 of 1992 🔗

Mummy used to dip a rubber dummy. in golden syrup and shove it in their mouths to keep them quiet. They’ve been hankering after it ever since.

360422 Jo Starlin, 8, #1085 of 1992 🔗

The moronic masses will welcome a collapse in the birth rate, then in 25 years time wonder why there are no doctors/carers/binmen/plumbers etc etc…

360431 ▶ Silke David, replying to Silke David, 9, #1086 of 1992 🔗

Re Woke today
I live in Bury St Edmunds and know the Black Boy Pub though I have never been a customer (looks a bit rough, though I hear it is perfectly nice).
I have never paid much attention to the pub sign, but I always assumed Black Boy referred to a chimney sweep!

360483 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Silke David, 6, #1087 of 1992 🔗

All this is mainly driven by white people. I doubt BAME people care about it at all. We shouldn’t let them get away with it.

360505 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Silke David, #1088 of 1992 🔗

There is a Black Bitch in the High Street!

360511 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Silke David, #1089 of 1992 🔗

There is a Black Boy pub in Caernarfon, actually named for a black boy who survived a shipwreck in I think the 18th century.

360620 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Silke David, #1090 of 1992 🔗

I used to drink/socialize/play pool in there along with all my mates years ago, this was our haunt. I used to live in nearby Thurston so went into Bury a lot, takes me back!

360434 ▶ Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, -9, #1091 of 1992 🔗

I’m really torn by the issue of legal action against the NHS. I can see why people could and should have a way to seek redress for harm resulting in sub-standard care.

However if the NHS is made liable then it can only bring an already stretched NHS to it’s knees.

It’s not perfect but the NHS offers a service that many around the world can only dream of. From my personal experience it has always been there when I or people close to me have needed it. I don’t idolise it but neither do I find cause to criticise it unecessarily. I’m sure there will be others who have a different view based on their own experiences.

I don’t know what the best solution would be but I would start by suggesting the government along with the IMF/WHO take on the burden of making right what their actions have caused.

360446 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Nobody2021, 15, #1092 of 1992 🔗

It has to be sued. We’ve fucked the economy anyway. the injustice needs to come to light.

360456 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to JHUNTZ, -2, #1093 of 1992 🔗

And what would that achieve, destroy the NHS and make things worse for everyone?

I don’t know what the best course of action would be but I certainly don’t think suing NHS is it.

360506 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #1094 of 1992 🔗

I’ve had better care in Russia than from the NHS. Only my own experience – but I’ve lost an eye and have suffering permanent neck pain for the last 30 years due to failed diagnoses by the NHS. No, I didn’t sue them, but I should have done (or my parents should have done, in the former case). How else can their failings be brought home to them?

360512 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Nobody2021, 14, #1095 of 1992 🔗

I’m afraid the overwhelming majority of the population in this country have set about a path to impoverish themselves. To ensure this never happens again we need to bring such injusticies to light. The NHS could have quelled this hysteria at any point.

360574 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Nobody2021, 10, #1096 of 1992 🔗

My son nearly died before Christmas because of the NHS. They started pulling their finger out when when we started taking names and job titles for evidentiary purposes. They are now giving us written copies of everything.

And if it saves one life…

360587 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #1097 of 1992 🔗

I’m afraid I used to think the NHS was “great” until I tried to get a couple of things sorted out about 3 and 4 years ago now – my experience, and my thinking now, is utterly incompetent management and lack of any joined-up thinking at many levels. Shameful.

360499 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1098 of 1992 🔗

However if the NHS is made liable then it can only bring an already stretched NHS to it’s knees.

The NHS is only ‘stretched’ because of successive governments’ policies – it need not be. Quoting from a rather prescient pre-election/pre-C19 Graun in 2019:

The health service in England has cut so many beds in recent years that it has just 127,225 left to cope with the rising demand for care, which will intensify as winter starts to bite.

In total, 17,230 beds have been cut from the 144,455 that existed in April-June 2010, the period when the coalition Conservative/Liberal Democrat government took office and imposed a nine-year funding squeeze on the NHS , even though critics cautioned against it because of growing pressures on the service.

The 127,225 figure is the smallest number of beds available in acute hospitals, maternity centres and units specialising in the care of patients with mental health problems and learning disabilities since records began in 1987/88.

There are several articles online about the deliberate trimming of the NHS, leaving it deliberately vulnerable to any crisis The King’s Fund put it clearly in March 2020:

The total number of NHS hospital beds in England, including general and acute, mental illness, learning disability, maternity and day-only beds, has more than halved over the past 30 years, from around 299,000 in 1987/88 to 141,000 in 2018/9, while the number of patients treated has increased significantly. The UK has fewer acute beds relative to its population than many comparable health systems.

This manufactured C19 care ‘crisis’ is due to agenda driven spending policies, not lack of UK resources. And now a deliberate year on year underspending on the NHS has backfired in spectacular fashion, the government propaganda machine shunts the blame onto those that might need care as opposed to those politicians (on all sides of the House) who have chosen to over and over vote to deprive them of it.

360654 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #1099 of 1992 🔗

Great comment.

360501 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nobody2021, 14, #1100 of 1992 🔗

It’s not perfect but the NHS offers a service that many around the world can only dream

That’s the point, its not offering any service, its destroying peoples lives, in fact it should be a class action on everyone’s behalf.

Fact is the NHS should be there to serve us not the other way round, if capacity can’t meet demand, increase capacity don’t let anyone tell you the NHS is under funded! Its problem is its maladministered & corrupt..

360553 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1101 of 1992 🔗

And how would making it worse make things better?

There’s no doubt things need to change but you’re not going to have a better outcome if the NHS is drained of funds.

If the redress could come from Government or some other avenue then that would surely be preferable.

360578 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #1102 of 1992 🔗

How can it be worse?

The whole narrative is stop the NHS being overwhelmed. So what have they done, decreased capacity with halving number of beds due to social distancing & sent half their staff home because of a dodgy “test” & postponed many treatments & procedures.

If there’s no one paying tax, cos they’re all unemployed there can be no NHS.

360612 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1103 of 1992 🔗

Part of the deterioration in the NHS has been endless paperwork as a CYS (Cover Your Arse) requirement.

I’ve seen first hand how even simple things need 2 or 3 people to sign off on the paperwork.

Why do they do this? Because they are scared of being sued which still happens quite a lot.

It’s nothing but a downward spiral making things worse and worse.

If you think that more of the same will make things better then I’m afraid you’ll be proven wrong.

360660 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1104 of 1992 🔗

I was never a fan of the NHS, my own experience of it twice in my lifetime (very minor ailments) showed me how bureaucratic & frankly incompetent it is.

At present we don’t have health care available to us for many health complaints, its become a covid service. The NHS is mangement heavy, overly politicised & privatisation pretty much complete, about the only thing in public ownership is the staffing bill.

If things carry on as is, then frankly its just as well if it collapses & dies. Not living to saves lives isn’t sustainable.

360774 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, #1105 of 1992 🔗

It is interesting that your very reasonably balanced comment has attracted so many down-votes. Suggests a degree of unfocused anti-NHS political fanaticism that equals Covid fanaticism on the other side.

It doesn’t bode well for a claim to rationality, which is essential to the sceptical case.

360442 ▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #1106 of 1992 🔗

Claims against M&S, Iceland, transport company lodged by my brief, hopefully have enough cash to hire a Hitman to do a JFK on the fat bastard…

360453 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1107 of 1992 🔗

Crowdfund the hit, you’ll raise enough cash that the hitman can be conveyed to the job in a private luxury helicopter.

360461 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 5, #1108 of 1992 🔗

Could save a fortune and have a go myself.

360474 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #1109 of 1992 🔗

We need you on the front lines careening into M&S flower displays, we can’t spare you for the job I’m afraid.

360480 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 7, #1110 of 1992 🔗

Well I thought I may branch out a little,as the old saying goes “don’t put all your eggs in one basket”.

360510 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #1111 of 1992 🔗

no – you should put all your eggs in one basket. will look much more spectacular next time you take a dive into the stock. maybe add a jar of jam and a large tub of yoghurt

360577 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to mj, 2, #1112 of 1992 🔗

..and a bottle of tom ketchup for the shock “blood” effect too!

360621 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to mj, 2, #1113 of 1992 🔗

Stop giving me ideas.

360447 ▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 20, #1114 of 1992 🔗

“Covid vaccine: 72% of black people unlikely to have jab, UK survey finds
Sage voices concern at BAME uptake and says more must be done to increase trust in vaccine”

Guardian reports. No link because not giving them traffic.

When a sage evil says more must be done – it is highly arrogant and extreme dangerous in my experience.
A vaccine, a nonvaccine, unlicensed, untrialed – 2 more years of trials to go, must be put into more black people – notice fast conflation to BAME thereafter – rag-work.

It is all rather josef mengele isn’t it, what?

360459 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Basics, 8, #1115 of 1992 🔗

Took my Dad to have his jab just before Christmas (his decision, I respect it entirely). It was at a very large GP practice in a fairly multiracial area, I saw maybe 200 people go in and out, none of them were non-white, not one.

360493 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #1116 of 1992 🔗

The self-professed anti-racists will simply assert, emotively, that it is yet another example of institutionalised racism.

360466 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basics, 11, #1117 of 1992 🔗

I think the trust issue may not have been such a problem if the Government had set out being honest with it’s messaging right from the start.

Now all they seem to care about is forcing people to do as they’re told.

360502 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1118 of 1992 🔗

They have stoked fear and used coercion.

360604 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Waldorf, 5, #1119 of 1992 🔗

And since the 23rd of March 2020 they have lied and lied and lied again.

360488 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Basics, 2, #1120 of 1992 🔗

Have you seen the videos going round of vaccinated guinea pigs who 24 hrs after being jabbed they shake uncontrollably (don’t know the medical term)! Just one case is one to many it certainly gives you something to think about before getting vaccinated.

Shawn Skelton Explains What the Moderna V Did to Her as She Convulses Uncontrollably
New Normal Watch: #45 Brant Griner: “This is what the Pfizer covid19 vaccine has done to my Mom”

360509 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #1121 of 1992 🔗

It’s horrifying.

That’s my biggest fear. If I get the virus I will either recover or die. The thought of taking a vaccine I don’t need and having an adverse affect that is worse than dieing fills me with dread.

360711 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JHUNTZ, #1122 of 1992 🔗

Yes, there are things worse than death. Living the rest of your life with a movement disorder caused by a vaccine-induced brain injury would be one of them. But for those who think the risk is worth it, go right ahead.

360544 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Basics, 4, #1123 of 1992 🔗

They’ll have to be very careful about this, or they’ll be accused of unfairly pressuring ethnic minorities…

360550 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Basics, #1124 of 1992 🔗

Anyone got an idea why BAME’s would be more opposed to this than the general population?

360563 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #1125 of 1992 🔗

Because they still live in strong, local communities which means their reality isn’t entirely constructed by the Thinking Box.

360591 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1126 of 1992 🔗

I believe there is a school of thought in Islam that vaccines are Haram.

360626 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1127 of 1992 🔗

I hope that’s true. I have my criticisms of Islam but they are certainly principled.

360648 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1128 of 1992 🔗

Vaccines may contain foetal cell-line material, animal tissue, and other stray substances. Perhaps they are better read than the majority? Perhaps they do not believe in the benevolence of the state? (Neither do I).

360721 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1129 of 1992 🔗

In the US, there is a history of medical experimentation on black people (The Tuskegee Experiment for example) so they are, rightly, wary of medical authority and of being used as guinea pigs. The “vaccine” is being touted as a tool for racial justice as many are arguing that people of colour ought to be prioritized, while many of said people are suspicious and not comfortable with being prioritized for that reason.

360454 ▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 10, #1130 of 1992 🔗

Sent mother a video of her grand daughter. She replied “Hopefully when we have our injections we can enjoy her”

Didn’t have the heart to say:

* it doesn’t actually make you immune according to the manufacturer

* she’ll be waiting about 2 years to vaccinate everyone at this rate – then “a new strain” will evolve

* masks, social distancing and lockdowns are “a thing” now – they’re not going anywhere

360540 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1131 of 1992 🔗

Only if the government allow it, which is looking increasingly unlikely in the near future. If they go back to tiers, only those in Tier 1 (if I remember rightly) are allowed to meet family indoors.

360463 ▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1132 of 1992 🔗

Here’s a good video, explaining efficacy of PCR, for anyone interested. Pass it on to sceptic, sceptics & sceptic deniers.

The Truth About PCR Tests

360472 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Anti_socialist, -29, #1133 of 1992 🔗

Should I show it to those I know who are currently bed ridden with symptoms that are simply the result of false PCR test.

360475 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mayo, 12, #1134 of 1992 🔗

Have those people been tested for flu?

360492 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mayo, 25, #1135 of 1992 🔗

If they have symptoms then a PCR test will confirm a diagnosis, which is how it should be. Diagnosing on the basis of a PCR test is the wrong way round, particularly if a) the number of cycles is not reported and b) the number of cycles is more than about 32.
Signs and symptoms trump stand alone testing every time.

360706 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to p02099003, #1136 of 1992 🔗

Thank you for the reminder that until March of 2020 a person who is deemed ill is supposed to have symptoms. Seems pretty basic, but a majority of doctors and scientists appear to have unlearned most of what they knew of viruses and how they behave.

360498 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 18, #1137 of 1992 🔗

What is it with such an emotional argument? Their bed ridden symptoms is confirmation that they very likely have covid-19.

A regular Joe getting tested for work and being asked to isolate with no symptoms is another matter. Especially on the scale we are talking today.

A false positive is not just referring to picking up the wrong signal. That is inherent to the test and a result of sensitivity. Another kind of false positive can, and certainly has been, seen through contamination. The final false positive is operational and is due to calling people infectious when running the tests to high CTs. How often does that happen? My emails to myocal Public Health body have been ignored on that simple question. Unless you know better?

Enough with the emotional blackmail argument

360527 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, 6, #1138 of 1992 🔗

Please rearrange the following words into a sentence:

‘not’, ‘causation’, ‘is’ , ‘correlation’.

Thanks in advance.

You could also show it to those bed-ridden with a respiratory ailment, but no positive PCR – the majority,

to those with a positive PCR but no symptoms. Again the majority.

The overwhelming majority of those with the symptoms have no positive PCR.

The overwhelming majority of those with a positive PCR do not have the symptoms.

360534 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mayo, 3, #1139 of 1992 🔗

Both can be true. Some people can be very ill with symptoms and have a true positive test. Some can be “asymptomatic” and have a false positive test, especially if you include people who have cleared the infection but still have viral fragments remaining.

It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

360545 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 3, #1140 of 1992 🔗

Mayo, is it your intention to take the vaccine and recommend friends and family to take the vaccine? And your reasoning? I am genuinely interested in your opinion.

360558 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mayo, 3, #1141 of 1992 🔗

yeah they’ve probably got flu.

360611 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 6, #1142 of 1992 🔗

If they are bed ridden why do they need a test?

360477 ▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, 2, #1143 of 1992 🔗

I have a friend who isn’t a sceptic – but is open to new perspectives.

Can you suggest a simple, informative site, with lots of information and figures, that wouldn’t daunt her but just might give her food for thought. A sort of introduction to scepticism – or ‘scepticism for dummies’. (Not that she’s a dummy!)

360487 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Banjones, 5, #1144 of 1992 🔗

The Great Barrington Declaration site is very high level. And their sister site Collateral.org lays bare the costs of this madness.

No mention of CCP or Gates or anything like that.

360497 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1145 of 1992 🔗

Collateral Global

link above didnt work for me presume it’s collatoralglobal

360594 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1146 of 1992 🔗

Yes, I agree – personally I can’t imagine anyone more soothingly reasonable and persuasive than Sunetra Gupta.

360600 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1147 of 1992 🔗

Good idea. I’ll start by avoiding any mention of Gill Bates et al.

360514 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Banjones, 1, #1148 of 1992 🔗

If she has any left-leanings, then this is really good:-

https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/f/our-analysis-of-lockdown-and-covid-fascism

Otherwise from Recovery:-

https://timeforrecovery.org/excessdeathsscandal/

First is particularly well-referenced.

360523 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Kevin 2, #1149 of 1992 🔗

Thank you.

360538 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Kevin 2, #1150 of 1992 🔗

Thanks very much Kevin. Just reading the first article looks great.

360525 ▶▶ gina, replying to Banjones, 4, #1151 of 1992 🔗

I’ve had a good response to Sucharit Bhakdi’s interviews with friends who have sensed somethings not right with the msm govt narrative. Not many facts and figures but just very calm explanations. He gives such reassurance as well as reliable information.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P22eUnv6AM

360536 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to gina, #1152 of 1992 🔗

Thanks.

360539 ▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to gina, 5, #1153 of 1992 🔗

I’m just reading his (and his wife’s) book “Corona – False Alarm?” It was originally published in June in German and was published in English in October .It is excellent, with all the facts and figures referenced. I got it here which was the cheapest I found –
https://agreatread.co.uk/corona-false-alarm-facts-and-figures-9781645020578/

360548 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, #1154 of 1992 🔗

Thank you.

360560 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to Proudtobeapeasant, #1155 of 1992 🔗

Not that I want to take money away from the authors but if cash an issue, it is available for free download https://archive.org/details/corona-false-alarm-facts-and-figures

360526 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Banjones, 3, #1156 of 1992 🔗

Ivor Cummins
Malcolm Kendrick
https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/

360552 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Banjones, #1157 of 1992 🔗

This is the one definitive video that will awaken anyone’s sceptical subconscious.

CRUCIAL Viral Update Dec 7th – Europe and USA Explained!
Once you’ve watched this you will never trust dippy & unbalanced again.

360554 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), replying to Banjones, 1, #1158 of 1992 🔗

I recommend https://swprs.org/facts-about-covid-19/ and https://adapnation.io/covid-insights/

360570 ▶▶ AethelredTheReadier, replying to Banjones, 6, #1159 of 1992 🔗

I suggest watching this video featuring Dr Simone Gold of America’s Frontline Doctors – it’s almost an hour long but she puts into words what most of us feel but in a fact and evidence-based scenario in front of an audience. She is articulate, comprehensive, funny, engaging and thoroughly passionate about pushing back on the lies and misinformation that we are having to push back against. She is not in any way conspiracy focused, she deals with evidence. It’s – sorry about pun – pure gold!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=xFntHpk1uok&fbclid=IwAR3wbwGW2Bhph00kKOSkj2_mcFqjm8MBOOGb6vDflb2aCC7ulHYqcJBapHg

360592 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 1, #1160 of 1992 🔗

Yes, I watched that. I’m going to pass it on – probably in a day or so once I’ve whetted her appetite!

360790 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 1, #1161 of 1992 🔗

I watched it the other day and was glued to it. Thoroughly recommend it.

DavidC

360579 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Banjones, 1, #1162 of 1992 🔗

Good afternoon Bajones

I have found the Reiner Fuellmich video pretty useful actually with people are starting to question things or are open to learning more. I think its abut 25 mins and maybe titled Planet Lockdown.

The reason I think this works well, is I preface it with a little explanation as to his excellent credentials (taking on and winning against VW, Deutche Bank etc…).

I even say, look don’t just take my word for it, but this guy is deadly serious and has a track record to match and you’ll be hearing more about it in the months ahead.

I think if you can establish in someone’s mind, that there is a good chance of fraudulence in 2 critical areas (PCR testing and thereby asymptomatic transmission) then there is a reasonable chance they will be willing to start to unpick at other threads, possibly even on their own.

Another approach is showing them the quotes from the Fergsuon interview in The Times (where he mentions getting away with it). Again, I find showing the true dastardly colours of these people is quite an eye-opener.

Good luck!

Simon

360590 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to SimonCook, 1, #1163 of 1992 🔗

Thanks, Simon. Yes, indeed – Dr F is well worth watching and listening to. Did you see his interview with Dr Mike Yeadon? It was excellent – three hours well spent!

360619 ▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Banjones, #1164 of 1992 🔗

Sorry Banjones, amazingly I haven’t seen that! (can’t believe I have missed it). Would you mind posting the link if that’s not too much trouble.

With one person, I think I actually said. Look it doesn’t matter what I think or you think, this is happening and this guy (Fuellmich) doesn’t F around.

360784 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Banjones, 1, #1165 of 1992 🔗

I would suggest the Swiss Policy Research site :

https://swprs.org/covid19-facts/

361191 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Banjones, #1166 of 1992 🔗

Although I’ve always been fairly sceptical, Dr Mike Yeadon was the one who really opened my eyes to what is going on. He explains things very well and his sincerity really comes through. This video is excellent and reasonably short – a great introduction to it all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bX-wFVBP94

Also a longer one with James Delingpole where he goes into much more detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbMJoJ6i39k

I do hope your friend sees the light and becomes a sceptic.

361430 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Banjones, #1167 of 1992 🔗

These one are pretty good for the noob sceptic.
https://evidencenotfear.com/
https://swprs.org/

360478 ▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 29, #1168 of 1992 🔗

When I lost my job as a Thrug Calibrator with a well known aircraft maintenance company I was determined not to rest on my laurels and remain positive

I have formed a company providing a hot buffet service to partisans operating in the forests outside the village

The partisans are formed in groups similar to those that existed before sport became illegal

Obviously security and secrecy are paramount, therefore tools of mass surveillance such as motor vehicles and mobile phones are banned

I bought two transport mules on Gumtree. I stable the mules and the prepare the food at my friend George’s house. George topped himself when the second lockdown was announced

Georges pension is still being paid and also his direct debits for gas, electricity and poll tax. Overheads are minimal

Orders and special dietary needs are left at a dead letter drop in the village by 11am each day

The mules and I set off after dark each day

(Memo to me: Time to cut George down as his body fluids are dripping onto the food preparation surfaces)

My first call is to the Cricketista Camp. They are based in a cave under the television transmission mast. They chose the location on the basis that the regime is unlikely to lob cruise missiles on them and risk disrupting Strictly

There are seamstresses currently working in the cave converting their summer whites into winter battle dress. In addition they are converting their bats into skis and will not commence operations until the snows come

Tea and cucumber sandwiches all round

Onward to the Rugby Free Army camp deep in the forest. These guys are the real deal

Their leader has gone completely mad. He has put on loads of weight, shaved his head and painted himself purple.

Met his sister in the village a few days ago, she said he had been watching Apocalypse Now on a loop for days before he disappeared saying he was going ‘up river’

Whilst tucking into their sausages one of he Youth Team became hysterical. The youth player demanded that there should be a vegan option and threatened to have something delivered through his just eat app

Anyway the hysteric (think his name is Davies) was disarmed and carted off to the stockade

An hour long trek to the camp of the Golf Club Red Army Faction

Useless the lot off them. They never get anything done, but bang on endlessly about the new drivers they have bought

They demand silver service on a MacDonald’s budget

How am I supposed to transport 23 individual prawn salad starters for miles through the forest on two mules? Some people!

Suspect the golfers will be the first to be captured. A few have that informer look about them

On the way back to the village heard a muffled bang in the distance. It was either a car backfiring in the village or the sound of Davies being dispatched

Anyway, another day, another dollar

360516 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1169 of 1992 🔗

Cecil – you keep raising the bar – it’s totally unfair. I demand to share in whatever you’re taking to achieve this level of mind fertility.

360556 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1170 of 1992 🔗

He’s the Terry Pratchett of the lockdown world.

360529 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1171 of 1992 🔗

Love it! (Can anyone join?)

360549 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1172 of 1992 🔗

Lockdown selective sativa breeding hobby is starting to pay off in spades it seems. I like it.

360569 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Cecil B, #1173 of 1992 🔗

Is “OKUK” a customer?

Just askin’……

360692 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, #1174 of 1992 🔗

Why the “downvote” ?

Presumably you saw “OKUK” trolling me yesterday as being “77th” just because he was too stupid to be able to open a link I posted to Tobys appearance on Talk Radio, but he/she/it doesn’t have the balls (or whatever) to apologise?

Oh well – never mind!

360589 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1175 of 1992 🔗

Deeply enjoyable, thank you, Cecil

360759 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, #1176 of 1992 🔗

A thriving business evidently!

361058 ▶▶ TC, replying to Cecil B, #1177 of 1992 🔗

So enjoyed that.
Best thing to read this Saturday night.
Thank you again.

360484 ▶ DoubtingDave, replying to DoubtingDave, 1, #1178 of 1992 🔗

TalKRADIO seems to be off YT again, not streaming on Twitter either.

360542 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DoubtingDave, #1179 of 1992 🔗

The channels there just no live stream, probably just a technical fault.

360522 ▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #1180 of 1992 🔗

There are many of the same opinion of the “mutant” strain. He also referring to similar findings in influenza H1N1 in the below second link

https://twitter.com/BorgerPieter/status/1350173127360315392

“Observe that the genome of the Covid virus is degenerating. This is the natural course of viruses. Due to random mutations it is becoming: 1) more infectious 2) less lethal. Eventually we will have another common cold virus. ”

https://tbiomed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1742-4682-9-42

A new look at an old virus: patterns of mutation accumulation in the human H1N1 influenza virus since 1918

“While there have been numerous adaptations within the H1N1 genome, most of the genetic changes we document here appear to be non-adaptive, and much of the change appears to be degenerative. We suggest H1N1 has been undergoing natural genetic attenuation, and that significant attenuation may even occur during a single pandemic. This process may play a role in natural pandemic cessation and has apparently contributed to the exponential decline in mortality rates over time, as seen in all major human influenza strains. These findings may be relevant to the development of strategies for managing influenza pandemics and strain evolution. ”

360531 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1181 of 1992 🔗

The ‘strain’ language is misleading too. These are variations on a theme, the virus spike protein sequences vary so much that there are around 20,000 configurations. It was mentioned by an epidemiolgist when Hancock started first BS’ing on about a new strain. I wish I could find it again.

360576 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 3, #1182 of 1992 🔗

When Madge was revving himself up with the scaremongering on 20 December, Bloomberg quoted him as saying ”..there is “no evidence” that the new strain — VUI-202012/01 — is milder than the original virus.”

However, ”Maria Van Kerkhove, Covid-19 technical lead at the World Health Organization, told the BBC’s Andrew Marr program: “We understand that the virus does not cause more severe disease.”

Do you think this was the epidemiologist you’d read about? I haven’t yet looked further.

360603 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Banjones, #1183 of 1992 🔗

No, I don’t think so, it was a chap and I don’t think it was on TV (though I don’t know, I don’t watch TV). I’ll have a look for it.

360535 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1184 of 1992 🔗

I wonder, if a person is severely immunocompromised are common corona (cold) viruses, dangerous or deadly, any medics here know?

360557 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1185 of 1992 🔗

https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiaa477/5882014

So I think the answer is likely to be “yes”, but it’d be good to have more data on it.

360617 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #1186 of 1992 🔗

Good stuff thanks for posting..

Abstract

Background

Few data exist concerning the role of common human coronaviruses (HCoVs) in patients hospitalized for acute respiratory infection (ARI) and the severity of these infections compared with influenza.

Methods

Prospective data on the viral etiology of ARI hospitalizations during the peaks of 8 influenza seasons (from 2011–2012 to 2018–2019) in Quebec, Canada, were used to compare patients with HCoV and those with influenza infections; generalized estimation equations models were used for multivariate analyses.

Results

We identified 340 HCoV infections, which affected 11.6% of children (n = 136) and 5.2% of adults (n = 204) hospitalized with ARI. The majority of children (75%) with HCoV infections were also coinfected with other respiratory viruses, compared with 24% of the adults ( P < .001). No deaths were recorded in children; 5.8% of adults with HCoV monoinfection died, compared with 4.2% of those with influenza monoinfection ( P = .23). The risk of pneumonia was nonsignificantly lower in children with HCoV than in those with influenza, but these risks were similarly high in adults. Markers of severity (length of stay, intensive care unit admissions, and case-fatality ratio) were comparable between these infections in multivariate analyses, in both children and adults.

Conclusions

In children and adults hospitalized with ARI, HCoV infections were less frequent than influenza infections, but were as severe as influenza monoinfections.

360572 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #1187 of 1992 🔗

I believe the common cold is just as serious for the elderly it’s just nobody thought to highlight it before now.

360586 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1188 of 1992 🔗

Ah, but THEY don’t want anyone to consider this. We’ve now got Coercid to be afraid of.

360680 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1189 of 1992 🔗

I’m not a medic, but yes, of course they are. just as a virus that one population is well adapted to can be deadly to a population that has never been exposed to it before

360729 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #1190 of 1992 🔗

I’d think so too, but you just don’t ever hear anyone saying he/she died of a cold, of course people don’t generally die of flu either but complications from it i.e. pneumonia.

Same as any virus eh, From day one of covid my view was as a “novel” virus (of course there are many known corona viruses) It would hit the population, like a bad flu season, at first exposure to it, then evolve into a more contagious form but less dangerous & become seasonal, just like a cold, so far i’ve not been wrong.

When it first hit even before the MSM got hysterical, i told my wife fear & worry of the virus is likely to be more dangerous than the virus itself!

360568 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1191 of 1992 🔗

I can’t help thinking that everything they describe regarding mutations and spread, new vaccines required to deal with the changes etc are exactly what’s been happening every year with the flu.

It’s almost as if they took the flu and everything else that causes respiratory illnesses and lumped them into one.

360585 ▶▶ Basics, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1192 of 1992 🔗

Woo, farmer bill isn’t going to like that very much.

360778 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Basics, 1, #1193 of 1992 🔗

Lol!

DavidC

360796 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1194 of 1992 🔗

Well found, swedenborg.

I’m sure Hancock will seize on this perspective in order to reassure the public

360840 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #1195 of 1992 🔗

Been explaining this to my brother today. He was supporting the current lockdown due to the new variants. But a virus will not typically evolve to become ever more lethal. It’ll naturally want more hosts and preferably not kill them.

360532 ▶ Will, replying to Will, 4, #1196 of 1992 🔗

Very good article in the DT about hospital numbers. Sorry can’t post the link for some reason.

360609 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Will, 9, #1197 of 1992 🔗

Halved the number of beds because of anti-social distancing.

Sent most of their staff home due to a well dodgy “test” result.

Greed, maladministration & corruption.

360661 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1198 of 1992 🔗

To an extent that, even if not quite deliberate, could certainly have been avoided if NHS managers had sensed that crisis would be politically unwelcome.

The circus is evolving to perpetuate itself. It’s as if lockdown itself is a kind of memetic lifeform.

360645 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Will, 1, #1199 of 1992 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/15/uk-hospitals-have-relatively-empty-compared-europe-nhs-struggling/

360672 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Will, 2, #1200 of 1992 🔗

Because it’s been told to struggle.

360776 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Will, #1201 of 1992 🔗

https://adapnation.io/inside-track-nhs-hospital-pressure/

360543 ▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1202 of 1992 🔗

https://richieallen.co.uk/when-the-pcr-test-is-useless-for-covid-19-but-useful-for-crooked-governments/

When The PCR Test Is Useless for Covid-19 (But Useful For Crooked Governments)

Dr Vernon Coleman writes a uper-clear explanation of the PCR testing fraud. A good one to share or copy from with people who are questioning .

360601 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Basics, 2, #1203 of 1992 🔗

It’s not a test.

It’s a process to brew up a bunch of genetic gunk.

The inventor even says this:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/wOSeTz57xrCF/

We have to stop allowing the misuse of the word ‘test’.

360547 ▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 18, #1204 of 1992 🔗

I knew Boris was wrong last night when he really attempted to hammer home the “you can catch it from things you touch” point. People are so uninformed and it’s their own fault a lot of the time.

360564 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 18, #1205 of 1992 🔗

Our whole world contains germs, so what! We come into the world covered in germs we live our lives mixing germs, eating germs and we die with germs.

360580 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 5, #1206 of 1992 🔗

They just believe everything the government (especially Doris) and the BBC tell them without doing anything in the way of even basic research.

360605 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Banjones, 6, #1207 of 1992 🔗

Television is scary effective at short-circuiting people’s minds.

Most people assume:

On TV = Truth

And that’s the extent of it.

360623 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to awildgoose, 12, #1208 of 1992 🔗

Yes – when I tell people I meet (not so many these days) that I NEVER watch TV news and rarely read any MSM ”reports” they are usually amazed, as if I must be narrow-minded and missing something important. It’s as if I’m the one who is ill-informed.

They don’t seem to get the idea of reading peer-reviewed scientific reports or studying even ONS and WHO statistics, or listening to statisticians explaining those figures.

360644 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Banjones, 11, #1209 of 1992 🔗

Toby may have had this atl at some stage

Mark Twain
“If you do not read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are misinformed”.

360753 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1210 of 1992 🔗

Well, when a character in a soap opera ‘gets pregnant’, people send in baby clothes.That’s how far their perception of truth goes.

360613 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 4, #1211 of 1992 🔗

There is no valid evidence that the virus lives significantly longer on surfaces.

The claims otherwise were all media gaslighting.

360675 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1212 of 1992 🔗

Viruses are not alive.

360763 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1213 of 1992 🔗

Yes, you are correct.

Shame on my sloppy use of language.

I should have said, “remains viable,” or, “remains infectious.”

360624 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 2, #1214 of 1992 🔗

CDC say transmission is possible but unlikely from surfaces. Why is Johnson bringing this up? Is it because he wants another reinforcement behaviour imposed on those who won’t or can’t wear masks?

360555 ▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 60, #1215 of 1992 🔗

This time last year if you had:

No sign of a cold
No cough or a sore throat
No headache and a normal temperature
Could enjoy the taste of food or the scent of a flower
Felt Full of energy

You were what we used to call “fit and well”

It is a truly fucked up world where anyone who feels like this, is now told they should consider themselves to be a potention spreader of disease and encouraged, (even mandated) to have to take a test to prove it.

360670 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #1216 of 1992 🔗

I think you are supposed to consider yourself a biohazard, a bag of toxic waste, even if you feel as fit as a fiddle, aren’t you? and this is how you’re supposed to regard each of your fellow human beings, even your nearest and dearest. and anyone who does not is obviously ‘crazy’ and ‘selfish’

360795 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #1217 of 1992 🔗

Direct quote from Hancock

“ Everybody, particularly people in Tier 4 areas, needs to behave as if they might well have the virus”.

As far as I am concerned there is no misunderstanding of his words. He was basically emplying that every person in the UK should be considering that they, personally, were a potential carrier and could infect everyone else. Not the reverse as you suggest.

360561 ▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1218 of 1992 🔗

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/nhs-doctor-says-covid-19-virus-does-not-exist-hd_Via3i8vkGAbUALD.html

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cGGz2qnQYKfp/

360583 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1219 of 1992 🔗

I fancy we need a hearty national debate about the meaning of ‘exist’. It is such a definite word, a hangover from last century if you will. Perhaps we need a more fluid acceptance of the meaning rustled up.

360602 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basics, 3, #1220 of 1992 🔗

I propose a new word – Exshit

To live in a world of excrement.

360562 Nobody2021, 6, #1221 of 1992 🔗

It’s so surreal waking up every day to “new discoveries” that I’m sure we’ve discussed months ago.

360567 ▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 12, #1222 of 1992 🔗

Is anyone else here, like me, suspicious of the whole Avian Flu thing? I haven’t read all the government information on it but am now suspicious of anything and everything that the government tells me. I have a theory that because lots of people bought chickens in the first lockdown, or at least when they could manage to get hold of any, that the government has decided it wants more control over food production and therefore doesn’t want the general public to have their own chickens. As I say, it’s just my theory….

360598 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 1, #1223 of 1992 🔗

They’ve been doing the chicken lockdown thing every year, the second any wild bird is found with it, they’ve been doing it for years now. Migratory birds bring it in.

360854 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, #1224 of 1992 🔗

I’m resigned to living on kale. It grows anywhere.

360573 ▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 19, #1225 of 1992 🔗

https://twitter.com/ScottAnd67/status/1350440681098108936?s=20

Scotland push to follow Italy’s and Poland’s example. Open up small Businesses.

360616 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Basics, 3, #1226 of 1992 🔗

Can’t see my fellow Scots supporting it. Sheep!

360625 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JHUNTZ, 13, #1227 of 1992 🔗

Same in the US.

A restaurant owner in the state of Michigan got about one hundred other places to agree to open up with him.

On the appointed day he opened his places while everyone else remained shut.

The state came and made an example of this poor fellow.

Land of the sheep, home of the slave!

360637 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Basics, 1, #1228 of 1992 🔗

Chairman Sturg-un will crack down on it hard, line em up against a wall at dawn or send em to a gulag/china.

360643 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1229 of 1992 🔗

360746 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, #1230 of 1992 🔗

Spirit of Wallace among the McWallys?

360593 ▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 12, #1231 of 1992 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/news/another-year-of-restrictions-ahead-until-everyone-has-been-vaccinated-says-dr-colm-henry-39975290.html

They are now being honest about their plans – another year of restrictions in Ireland because of appalling management in the so called health service.

The only place these “managers” in the so called health service belong is in front of a firing squad, legitimately convened on foot of a court order.

360614 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #1232 of 1992 🔗

Note the headline is a complete lie. He says “Social distancing and restrictions in some form are likely for the rest of 2021 at least, until enough of the population can be vaccinated to grant general or herd immunity, Dr Henry said.”

Not justifying what he said but why are the media making up a headline like that?

360595 ▶ DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 12, #1233 of 1992 🔗

Could it be, because the instigators of all of this, bang on about population control, that people are reluctant to take their vax?

360608 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1234 of 1992 🔗

Which VIPs have received it?

We had several high-profile fake jab vids here in the US.

No word about those receiving a second dose.

360627 ▶▶▶ AethelredTheReadier, replying to awildgoose, 7, #1235 of 1992 🔗

My brother told me that Fauci was filmed taking the vaccine but that in another video, filmed slightly later, he was asked by some news station how he felt and, get this, he rubbed… the opposite arm and said it was a bit sore!! I tried to find this video evidence but couldn’t but my brother is extremely honest. I will try and see if he can send me links. It’s a total joke.

360640 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 1, #1236 of 1992 🔗

It was on either American Thinker or Gateway pundit

360671 ▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Nessimmersion, 4, #1237 of 1992 🔗

If Fauci takes 6,000 IU/day of vitamin D3, he’s probably fine with that. Dr David Grimes’s survey suggested that a high level of vitamin D may make you almost immune to COVID.

360730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to John001, 1, #1238 of 1992 🔗

And Vitamin D does the same for flu, if you can find it.

360650 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to AethelredTheReadier, 2, #1239 of 1992 🔗

Yeah, I’ve seen that. Injected (allegedly) in his left arm and then rubbed his right arm.

360679 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1240 of 1992 🔗

I’m convinced that VIPs are getting a placebo. If too many high profile people end up in the ICU, with anaphylaxis, or a movement disorder caused by a brain injury, the whole vaccine agenda would implode.

360758 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1241 of 1992 🔗

Or just an empty needle.

Kamala’s jab vid struck me as an obvious fake.

Of course, this fits with the essence of her being perfectly.

360847 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1242 of 1992 🔗

Meow. But true.

360725 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1243 of 1992 🔗

Anyone agreeing to take any of these vaccines has clearly lost the plot. Sometimes I can almost accept that Bill Gates is doing the right thing.

360599 ▶ Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 9, #1244 of 1992 🔗

May have been posted already: 10 elderly people dead in Germany within four days of their vaccination. Investigation underway.

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/europe/10-dead-in-germany-within-4-days-of-covid-19-vaccine-inoculation-probe-ordered.html

360606 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Dodderydude, 5, #1245 of 1992 🔗

We’ve done a thorough investigation and we can conclude all ten deaths were due to COVID.

360615 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Dodderydude, 17, #1246 of 1992 🔗

Deaths with 28 days of a PCR test. Covid. Deaths within 28 days of a jab. Coincidence.

360990 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to leggy, 1, #1247 of 1992 🔗

Deaths within 28 days of a jab.

Old age – exactly why they are going first.

360668 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #1248 of 1992 🔗

we assume they died from their main diseases, coinciding in time with the vaccination

says the Head of the investigation into the deaths .

360748 ▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Steve Hayes, #1249 of 1992 🔗

Look, a cat playing the bagpipes!

360607 Ken Garoo, 8, #1250 of 1992 🔗

I have just found out that people ill with covid are being shipped from hospitals in Kent to hospitals in Hampshire.

So the healthy get to stay at home and the ill get shipped from place to place. Spread the spread.

360610 ▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, 6, #1251 of 1992 🔗

Thanks to everyone (below) who posted some useful links for a nascent sceptic!
I shall start my drip-feed forthwith…..

(And of course, Lockdown Sceptics will follow as soon as I feel we’re getting somewhere!)

360629 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Banjones, 1, #1252 of 1992 🔗

Here’s another one i’ve not seen before.

PCR Pandemic: Interview with Virus Mania’s Dr Claus Köhnlein

360821 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1253 of 1992 🔗

Listened to this the other day. His theory that the high spring death rate in the UK was down to awful treatments was very interesting indeed

360628 ▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #1254 of 1992 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0116/1190173-coronavirus-ice-cream/

Ban ice cream – it can carry COVID

360641 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #1255 of 1992 🔗

Okay, the people running this hoax are just having a laugh now.

360647 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1256 of 1992 🔗

More impressive than Flora. Spreads straight from the freezer.

360656 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Ewan Duffy, 22, #1257 of 1992 🔗

Covid-99

360704 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 2, #1258 of 1992 🔗

The lockdowners already think we’re all flakes …

360727 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 2, #1259 of 1992 🔗

Well played!

360887 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #1260 of 1992 🔗

Ha ha ha ha!

360630 ▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 33, #1261 of 1992 🔗

I find it a bit disturbing when I see a young couple walking hand in hand in the street both wearing face smotherings.

360665 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to stefarm, 9, #1262 of 1992 🔗

Face smotherings.

360707 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 3, #1263 of 1992 🔗

Yes it’s a great description.

360805 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Rowan, 3, #1264 of 1992 🔗

There’s a group called Smother Me Badd isn’t there?

They did the classic “I Wanna Mask You Up”

360678 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 2, #1265 of 1992 🔗

I read your comment yesterday about your parents. An excellent post Stefarm and really thoughtful. Thanks.

360695 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 1, #1266 of 1992 🔗

Thank you, much appreciated

360631 ▶ DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 11, #1267 of 1992 🔗

Lawrence Fox, is in the DM, showing off his exemption badge. Don’t know if that’s good or bad, as he receives the usual abuse from the intolerant covid fanatics, or maybe they’re just their paid bots following the instructions.

360651 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1268 of 1992 🔗

Just been reading that. Can’t say I was glad to see it as headline news as this will attract unnecessary attention. Hardly surprising though. I think the govt have been on the back-foot and the DM are helpfully setting the agenda for them.

And the first story I saw this morning was the snow scare stories but the first comment was talking about ‘applied psychology’ i.e. this was a subtle DM suggestion to say ‘stay indoors’. Very good people are getting it and can see through the govt / media lies.

All part of the info wars…

360653 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to DanClarke, 11, #1269 of 1992 🔗

The most intolerant of them have no understanding of the rules, though at the same time they submit wild comments demanding that everyone follow the rules. What can possibly be learned from such people? What profit can be gained from engaging them? Paid shill or misguided private citizen, their value is the same, which is to say none at all.

360658 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 7, #1270 of 1992 🔗

Actually, just thinking about, and realising that you actually NEED to have Covid to get treatment for other serious conditions, now that we worship at the covid alter.

360710 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1271 of 1992 🔗

Good point. It feels like we’ve regressed to the middle ages where things like an apendicitis or a dental abcess were a death sentence. The NHS safety net is gone.

At least the bankers and their pet politicians are a huge leap closer to the privatised nightmare of the US model. That’s nice for them, and I look forward to having to remortgage my house every time I need some antibiotics.

360649 ▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 13, #1272 of 1992 🔗

There is one easy way to get the numbers down

360673 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nessimmersion, 7, #1273 of 1992 🔗

Stop it, not even in jest should we indulge that narrative. Its entirely political, if the liberal left can normalise this fabrication they can make any artificial construct become reality.

The purpose of identity politics is to erode cultural values to advance corporate socialism & globalism. Its as fraudulent as lockdowns & PCR pandemic.

360705 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1274 of 1992 🔗

Alternatively it a sodding joke showing how ridiculous it all is.
The other 87 genders cannot exist if they cannot be infected surely.

360800 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nessimmersion, -1, #1275 of 1992 🔗

I know what your saying makes sense to us, but they don’t care about little things like logic, reality & facts.

Indulging in pronoun etiquette to be charitable just enables the narrative, there’s biology & nothing else.

You can choose your own (A)gender but not your own facts. If people wont/dont accept different sexes, then I wont/dont accept different genders.

360739 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1276 of 1992 🔗

Neat!

360655 rockoman, 7, #1277 of 1992 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/russia-begin-mass-vaccination-its-population-monday-putin-calls-sputnik-v-best-world

Gettimg interesting.

If the Russians roll this out and return to complete normallity in short order, while the West rolls out the mRNA stuff and restrictions remain.

360657 Sarigan (Day 299 of lockdown), 23, #1278 of 1992 🔗

100,000 protesting in Austria – https://t.me/PatriotNewz/12109

360666 awildgoose, 9, #1279 of 1992 🔗

Regarding the photo at the top of today’s post I love how the image of the care worker on the banner is intentionally composed, lit, and edited to terrify rather than reassure.

360674 ▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #1280 of 1992 🔗

Patrick Henningsen tweets:

The key wor[d] here is “possible”, and what I have learned about ‘intelligence’ over the last 20 years has led me to first assume it’s garbage, and I’ve been right nearly every time. The Wuhan conspiracy is being used to legitimize the ‘deadly pandemic’ narrative, which is a lie…
Quote Tweet
Daily Mail US
@DailyMail
· 7h
Mike Pompeo reveals intelligence implicating Wuhan lab as the possible origin point of Covid-19 https://trib.al/0fe6Dxg

https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1350462927355183104?s=20

Given the state of the bleating about Russia and countless other intelligence farces I feel there is something in Henningsen’s view.

What is the British intelligence network? It seems to have detectable no integrity.

360686 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basics, 6, #1281 of 1992 🔗

He’s partially right but it does look like a virus was created and “accidently” released from a Wuhan lab. Now whether this leads to a condition called Covid-19 is by the by. What appears to be the case is that the CCP did enough information warfare to scare politicians in the West and this had the knock-on effect of them adopting CCP policies to “beat the virus” rather than targeted interventions. The WHO were bent to the CCP will too.

The CCP already had its fingers in various pies influencing individuals. Academia is full of socialists who don’t not like the CCP system with social credit. It aligns to their feelings of superiority. We have business leaders and media wined and dined by CCP members. We have high level individuals in this country as active members, sworn to uphold their principles.

Then we have ex-members of the Communist party of the UK being advisors

It’s a massive nudge. The virus does not need to be potent. It just needs to appear to be.

So yes there is still large responsibility of our leaders but this is professional top level con to benefit the CCP.

360709 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to mhcp, 2, #1282 of 1992 🔗

“What appears to be the case is that the CCP did enough information warfare to scare politicians in the West and this had the knock-on effect of them adopting CCP policies to “beat the virus” rather than targeted interventions. The WHO were bent to the CCP will too.”

Which ray-machine were they using to influence the polticians’ minds.

The whole ‘China did it’ narrative is an important sub-text of the Establishment line. It:

Focuses blame outward
Legitimizes the idea of a deadly virus
Establishes a possible fallback position
Builds up the image of an external enemy, and in doing so tries to unify ‘us’. ‘We are all in it together’ – because China.

360779 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to rockoman, 1, #1283 of 1992 🔗

They don’t need a ray machine. They have a policy called Blue Gold and Yellow where influence is slowly increased over years. Blackmail, greed and other things. It’s a known influence system.

But also this idea of game theory is not new. The idea that China could make a small move and the world would tumble due to the leverage that China holds on the supply chains and credit of the world has been studied for a good few years

360905 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to mhcp, #1284 of 1992 🔗

So you not think that other countries operate such an influence system too?

In what way do ‘pandemic ‘ developments benefit China?

I don’t see it.

360804 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rockoman, 1, #1285 of 1992 🔗

This is the balance anyone looking at this needs. So many games being played right now and many people are running scared.

360843 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, #1286 of 1992 🔗

I can describe the magic ray with a few symbols:

£££

€€€

$$$

It also explains how pols enter office with 5-figure net worth and leave with 7-figure net worth having done nothing for years.

There is also a, “flesh ray,” for those resistant to the standard ray.

360764 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to mhcp, #1287 of 1992 🔗

“but it does look like a virus was created and “accidently” released from a Wuhan lab.”

What is the evidence?

360772 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basics, 1, #1288 of 1992 🔗

The area has a level 4 lab and they were developing gain of function coronaviruses. That’s public information. What the US has done is confirm what Dr Yan Li-Meng as been talking about. This idea that is was a natural variation was shown to be false last year. The virus is spliced.

360868 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to mhcp, 3, #1289 of 1992 🔗

No reason in that to buy it. The virus was found in Barcelona sewage system in 2019, no reason to buy that either (how it was identified is anyones guess). World millitary games were held in Wuhan just prior to all this.

I’m saying there is nothing conclusive about the origins which is a signal whatever is going on is revisions.

We are both sure bats are out. But why are we? No evidence either way to prove or disprove.

Long winded way of saying circumstantial.

360838 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to mhcp, -1, #1290 of 1992 🔗

The main benefit is to collapse Western economies as viable competitors to China.

Secondary benefits are imposing China-style authoritarianism in the West and revenge for the, “Century of Humiliation.”

360841 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to awildgoose, #1291 of 1992 🔗

That’s a benefit?

361483 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to John P, #1292 of 1992 🔗

For the Chinese.

360899 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to awildgoose, #1293 of 1992 🔗

Economies do not compete with each other.

If western markets are deprssed, then that has an effect on China too.

How does imposing “China-style authoritarianism” in the West help China?

361484 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, #1294 of 1992 🔗

This post is dumb beyond belief.

Who benefits the most from the collapse of all Western economies?

360683 ▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #1295 of 1992 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55689388 clinical staff seeking protection against wrongful death accusations.

360685 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to p02099003, 5, #1296 of 1992 🔗

If the Pharmaceutical corporations can have immunity, why not the people who administer it?

360702 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to p02099003, 1, #1297 of 1992 🔗

politicians will want the same

360688 ▶ Bugle, replying to Bugle, 3, #1298 of 1992 🔗

Sanity for Sweden: deaths following vaccination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INNuVGANCfY&t=325s

360722 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bugle, 7, #1299 of 1992 🔗

According to an interview by Gunnar Kaiser (YT) with Germans living in Sweden, the Swedes are still very angry about the swine flu vaccinations, and scepticism towards these vaccines is vey high.
Unlikely the government will push the vaccine agenda.

360690 ▶ davews, replying to davews, 13, #1300 of 1992 🔗

One effect of the lockdown is the trains are now totally empty, just moving air. Had a short chat with the chap in the ticket office at our station (everybody uses it as a shortcut). He said he had sold just one ticket today – normally busy commuter station still with two trains an hour to Waterloo.Carpark had just six cars in it. Said I would love to make some train trips but I suspect the policeman who questioned me would disagree that London is ‘local’… I can’t see the trains carrying on much longer like this even though the government is paying to keep them moving.

360693 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to davews, 11, #1301 of 1992 🔗

It does make you wonder, therefore, why they’re determined to throw even more money at HS2. Read the usual patronising tosh in reply to the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/563380?fbclid=IwAR27VBTBADs2oprIgLxcB3RB9tW4DVE6gp3RvTZ1tK5w_-NAa0Js7tNh3ag

360698 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to davews, 6, #1302 of 1992 🔗

They’re re-nationalising the railways aren’t they? Don’t worry tax payers will cover it until its profitable & they will privatise it again. Oh wait what taxpayers no ones gonna have a job. Damn that’s my hobo aspirations buggered.

360703 ▶▶ Paul, replying to davews, 3, #1303 of 1992 🔗

I believe plans are in hand to cut services across the network by up to 50% from next week.

360912 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Paul, 3, #1304 of 1992 🔗

I’ve spent a lot of time on public transport recently and can tell you it is totally deserted.Buses and trains are being subsidised,to run empty services to keep the unions happy.This cannot continue and when the axe falls what are the unions going to do,strike,no one will notice.

360719 ▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to davews, 2, #1305 of 1992 🔗

Agreed – any sort of returns to offices largely now postponed to at least “June”. Even in November the trains I was on out of Liverpool St during rush hour where at probably a third capacity and rapidly emptied out after a couple stops. During lockdown one it was cheaper for the train company here to put passengers in taxis to London than run the trains…

360697 ▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 13, #1306 of 1992 🔗

Polish rebellion.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/01/14/lockdown-rebellion-highlanders-polands-winter-capital-reopen-hundreds-businesses/

361374 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Basileus, #1307 of 1992 🔗

Wonderful stuff. Poland is a fine and beautiful country.

360700 ▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #1308 of 1992 🔗

COVID-19 vaccine reactions being blamed on PEG, but could it be the body responding to mRNA transhumanist genetic reprogramming?
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-15-covid19-vaccines-anaphylaxis-peg-mrna-genetic-reprogramming.html

360882 ▶▶ rose, replying to Victoria, #1309 of 1992 🔗

Isn’t PEG used in all vaccines?

360701 ▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 20, #1310 of 1992 🔗

It appears the medics and modellers want lockdown to continue until at least next year – if not longer. I’ve heard Spring, Autumn (which is followed by Winter) etc

At some point it presumably become impossible to carry on (financially for example) – when is that point?

I suppose some countries will get back to normal sooner rather than later and other countries will be pressurised by their population to follow suit. It just seems we are a ,long way from that and lockdowns are currently quite popular

360712 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to steve_w, 9, #1311 of 1992 🔗

Steve, I keep thinking that this can’t go on much longer but l honestly think that millions of “sheep” don’t mind it one bit and a large proportion of em actually love it.
Not having a particularly good day today.
The Wolves losing hasn’t exactly helped either.

360723 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1312 of 1992 🔗

yes, and part of the reason is the govt terrified people instead if calming them down

its all on tick though. paid for by BofE buying govt bonds. great if you’ve got assets, shit if you are on an income

360724 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #1313 of 1992 🔗

I am afraid, listening to conversations in the park (not scientific), that some people’s minds have been fried. The gaslighting tactics have worked to the point that they believe whatever they are told without question, and are entirely willing to swallow the next change to the script and the next and the next. Their brains are buggered. They look forward to the vaccine as salvation, while they simultaneously accept that it taking it will not improve their lives at all.

I think they are a minority. I know ex-believers who are bored by the bullshit, and have come round to a sceptical position. People who can’t stomach the constant bait and switch.

But…there is now a demographic that we could describe – given that you’re feeling jolly – in concentration camp cant, as Musselmaenner.

360741 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ovis, 11, #1314 of 1992 🔗

My friend told me yday she is getting vaccinated today. In her opinion, as she had no problems with the flu vax, she should be fine. Might be.
I told her to at least make sure they give her a good briefing. She claims she has not got time to do the research.
Tbh, I kind of want her to have side effects!

360780 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Silke David, 2, #1315 of 1992 🔗

https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/12/reports/10-facts-from-the-uk-government-pfizer-vaccine-guidance-that-promote-vaccine-hesitancy/

Send here that. A 5min read referring directly to the regulators approval document for the Pfzier vax. A good summary of things she has to accept as risks worth taking.

361087 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Silke David, 1, #1316 of 1992 🔗

I find it incredible that most people will spend more time choosing a new mobile phone or even a tube of toothpaste than they will on researching something so important and potentially dangerous! Like my mother who says, “the Queen’s had it so it must be OK” !!

360793 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Ovis, 5, #1317 of 1992 🔗

On my afternoon walk today I met an old friend and we stopped and chatted for a while. He was out watching for a rare bird (forget what) and stood with his camera ready. While we chatted the lovely little bird did appear and put on a show for us, great stuff. Anyway chat drifted to covid etc and he seemed to share much of my sceptic views particularly about the uselessness of the vaccine. But then he mentioned masks – ‘horrified to see two people without masks in Sainsbury’s’…. I realised we were getting on shaky ground, said a few things about them then decided to leave him to enjoy his bird watching. The brainwashing seems complete and we have no way out.

360823 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to davews, #1318 of 1992 🔗

We all breathe the same air, masked or not. Unless the maskless are coughing or spitting i think he’s safe.

360733 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1319 of 1992 🔗

Agreed, lockdownistas seem almost relieved to have an excuse not to take responsibility for their lives. Bugger freedom, seeing friends, family, creating memories. Very bizarre. Sorry your team lost but the rugby is even worse – all cancelled “due to u-know-what”.

360762 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1320 of 1992 🔗

up the Baggies!!!

360713 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steve_w, 12, #1321 of 1992 🔗

The medics and modellers need their funding pulled, lets see how much they like sitting at home with no income. Bastards!

360757 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1322 of 1992 🔗

oh I so wish. won’t happen though

360714 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to steve_w, 1, #1323 of 1992 🔗

I wrote this below, but it seems relevant here as well:

The circus is evolving to perpetuate itself. It’s as if lockdown itself is a kind of memetic lifeform.

360720 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to steve_w, 19, #1324 of 1992 🔗

Don’t get pessimistic, this shit show will run out of steam, warmer weather lighter night’s people’s natural urge for freedom, will all combine to release the kraken.

360731 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #1325 of 1992 🔗

I’m not so much pessimistic as aghast at the stupidity of it all. In lockdown 1 I was looking forward to the summer everyone admitting lockdown was a terrible mistake.

I have no doubt lockdown scepticism is scientific, risk averse and will ultimately be proved correct but I’m, getting frustrated waiting for it.

I can’t see a way out except with the ‘permission’ of the people. but they have been terrorised with ropey data. I imagined end of furlough would focus a few minds but its being extended – how long can it go on?

360754 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to steve_w, 21, #1326 of 1992 🔗

Steve my friend, this shit show is on the ropes, media working overtime to keep the fear up government ass holes lying thru their teeth to keep the narrative alive.. Spring is coming most folks are reaching breaking point,in the real world it’s collapsing like a deck of cards, spring summer will see the dam break..

360760 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1327 of 1992 🔗

I hope you are right Bruce – anyway its cheering me up

360807 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #1328 of 1992 🔗

@Bruce and steve_w – it is on the ropes, people know it’s run its course.

360819 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1329 of 1992 🔗

currently the only place I can go for a change of scenery and a coffee is the motorway services. It may be on the ropes but I’d rather it was over the other side of the ropes having its skull stoved in by an angry mob

361353 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #1330 of 1992 🔗

I do believe you are correct. People don t really want to go out too much at the moment cos the weathers shit. When it gets lighter and warmer that ll change. Me – I just wanna go to the fuckin pub.

360768 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to steve_w, 4, #1331 of 1992 🔗

The more lockdowns the worse the pandemic deaths will be, the longer this shit show lasts. Lockdowns are great at dragging the suffering out nothing else.

360773 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 2, #1332 of 1992 🔗

All about a vaccine exit plan. Otherwise their only feckin plan is lockdowns forever. These people are insane.

360808 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1333 of 1992 🔗

The virus will gave evolved into a harmless cold long before then.

360799 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to steve_w, 14, #1334 of 1992 🔗

April is the end of the financial year. If the government plans to spend next FY as it has this FY, it might be in for a nasty shock.

Those who buy bonds (which is how governments “borrow” money) will no longer view these as a safe buy and go elsewhere. A government that cannot sell its bonds is in deep trouble. Deep, deep trouble.

Or the government can print money, give it to the banks, and tell them to buy government debt (bonds) with it. This is how quantitative easing has worked and why so far we’ve got away with what we’ve done using QE since 2008. But there is a limit and if confidence in UK bonds is gone, the banks won’t buy. And not just British banks, but worldwide banks.

Money is a medium of exchange, nothing else. Ultimately, it is a zero sum game, you cannot just magic it from thin air, especially when your currency is a fiat currency and based on trust. The result when that trust is gone is usually inflation. Real tangible assets and commodities become highly desirable and their price skyrockets. That is when everybody – rich, poor, somewhere in between – end up financially twatted. And I mean financially twatted. Pension? Forget it. State expenditure on goodies like health, education, welfare? Forget it. Plenty of jobs in the public sector? Forget it. Wages that cover outgoings? Forget it.

I suggest that will be the moment people wake up, if they have not already. Forget your Great Reset or Doctor “Doom” Gates – that will all be swept away.

Governments, or at least national banks, are fully aware of this. If the show continues beyond April 6th, I strongly recommend emigration to a country that has abandoned the lockdown.

360827 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1335 of 1992 🔗

Good comment!

360906 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1336 of 1992 🔗

This is guaranteed to happen.The only question is when.Those smug middle class types who have so far escaped the financial fallout will reap the whirlwind they have sown.
I can’t believe so many people are oblivious to the fact that you can’t switch off a massive part of the economy and pay people to sit at home,with money you have just printed,and not to have something very bad happen.

360708 ▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 74, #1337 of 1992 🔗

Them Italian Bros are kicking ass restaurants opening and saying fuck you,we need the frog’s to fire up next that will fan the flames, this whole shit show is beginning to reach critical mass…By me roads are busy,me and the Bros just been for a blast on the Harleys dropped off at one of them roadside burger places 20 of us,hip flasks and good snap had a good laugh with the truckers and some walkers Fuck lockdown.

360717 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #1338 of 1992 🔗

That’s cheered me up, Bruce.

360718 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1339 of 1992 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fWGV47oOmA

360734 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #1340 of 1992 🔗

Great stuff, Bruce.

360834 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1341 of 1992 🔗

Amen.

Here in the Jellyfish Nation it’s pod people all the way down.

360997 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #1342 of 1992 🔗

I’m going walking tomorrow. I will hope to see you all roar past.

361351 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Alethea, #1343 of 1992 🔗

I’ll keep my eye out for you..

360715 ▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 44, #1344 of 1992 🔗

January blues

Just been for a venture out and about. This time of year is never the most inspirational but I don’t think I have ever surveyed such a miserable and depressing landscape as this. Almost every enterprise closed and those that remain open are empty apart from a few maskoid zombies.

It feels to me as though we are living in an open prison…but with no parole for good behaviour….but of course threats of withdrawals of privileges for so called ‘bad behaviour’.

It feels much worse than the lockdown 1 partly because the weather is so awful, partly because so many enterprises have already closed their doors for good under the cosh from the first 2 lockdowns and the tiers but, perhaps most of all, because this is of indefinite length and its now patently obvious that this is going to be the intermittent way society responses to any future respiratory viruses.

It must be obvious even to Peter Hitchens and others that the strategy of writing to MPs has utterly failed and they really do need to wake up and smell the coffee and realise there are very dark forces at work here and that we are gradually entering a period of undiluted tyranny. The people who wont acknowledge this are starting to annoy me as much as the designers of this ghastly policy.

We have often here made reference to the 3 ‘groups’ in the public. The true zealots never want this to end and are loving the smug feeling of living on unaltered incomes and the ability to stare out of their windows, note book in hand, recording descriptions of visitors and their car registration numbers. The middle group (the ‘going along with it brigade),one assumes will eventually tire of the bleak dullness of life devoid of any spark from the pursuit of interests or social outings. Do they really want another spring when everywhere is closed from one end to the other and a summer where you are ‘allowed out’ but only in the dispiriting and alienating ‘new normal’?

Only a show of mass dissatisfaction from this middle group and a serious co ordinated and organised resistance on the part of businesses and civil society groups is ever going to get us out of this. Left to the politicians and so called ‘scientists’ we will be drowning in this quick sand for ever.

360732 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #1345 of 1992 🔗

Agreed.

360735 ▶▶ peter-, replying to Boris Bullshit, 27, #1346 of 1992 🔗

It’s been very clear since day 1 of this bullshit that the only way out is mass civil disobedience. Sadly the vast majority of people in this country are sanctimonious, virtue signalling half wits who would rather preen about how caring they are on social media than actually live their lives.

In reality the lockdown rules only apply if you choose for them to apply to you. I haven’t followed a single rule since March and have no intention of ever doing so. As Laurence Fox so brilliantly put in, Compliance is Violence. The only reason Piers Moron and Penfold got so angry about it on GMB was they know he was 100% right but they don’t have the courage to say it themselves. Indeed, this could apply to so many people across the country.

360884 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to peter-, 7, #1347 of 1992 🔗

No not half-wits – they’re scared for a very good reason and I don’t mean the virus. We’re being threatened by our own government and they’re wittingly (excuse the pun) destroying our lives – are they psychopaths? Satanists? Who knows – but with the army on the streets who is going to stand up to them? This has never happened so blatantly in our lifetimes- why should we all have an easy response to what’s going on? Sorry if this seems extreme but what’s being done to us not by a flu-like (not really that unusual) virus which will keep us under house-arrest till our lives are destroyed but by some dark forces controlling our government- well I’m sorry but there are no glib responses.. (and I have just watched The Hamburg Syndrome clips on YouTube – possibly Klaus Schwab’s favourite film?)

360961 ▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to jos, 4, #1348 of 1992 🔗

Cannot see the Army taking to the streets, they are the last arm of the public sector that actually does the job for which they are paid. No virtue signalling, no self righteous whingeing about low pay, their job being hard or dangerous, they just get on with what the signed up for.

Threats to this effect are hollow because Bozo and the clowns know they don’t control the army.

360981 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to peter-, 3, #1349 of 1992 🔗

The upper levels are all bought and paid for careerists but the rank and file are true patriots.A treasonous government couldn’t rely on their loyalty.

361258 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1350 of 1992 🔗

Indeed, reassuringly the top lot are too busy playing politics to know what is going on. Rank and file are the pride of this country. Would welcome them sending the army in to control the people as they’d probably join in with the “rule breaking” rather than enforcing them.

360743 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Boris Bullshit, 15, #1351 of 1992 🔗

Yes, I agree – if there’s hope it lies with the ‘going along with it’ brigade. Took 70 years for the Soviet Union to collapse though. I mean this could actually go on for years. Leaving your house to work or buy the essentials or for socially distanced walks. Or 4 month lockdown every winter. These things are feasible – we would all be a lot poorer – but a society can function with pubs and restaurants closed. They can even function with the rule of 6 forever. But it ends when we say it ends and there aren’t enough people saying it

360783 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #1352 of 1992 🔗

Just returned from a walk and past several shops, 2 appear to have shut up for good. All items have been removed and shelves empty (one is a clothes shop and the other sells china).

360970 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #1353 of 1992 🔗

The state has dispensed with the illusion of freedom, and finally revealed its true nature to us. They are not going to relinquish their death grip on the population. However, I would caution that this has to get much worse before sufficient numbers are compelled to resist. 2021 is another write off, but we may see the beginnings of a genuine resistance by its end.

361368 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Richard O, 1, #1354 of 1992 🔗

I hope you are wrong about 2021 but I fear you may be right. All I can say is whenever the resistance comes I will be joining it and will be happy to do whatever it takes. When the time comes its going to be no time for cowardice.

360726 ▶ mr ben, replying to mr ben, 3, #1355 of 1992 🔗

Anyone read this C Snowdon piece?

https://quillette.com/2021/01/16/rise-of-the-coronavirus-cranks/

360744 ▶▶ John P, replying to mr ben, 3, #1356 of 1992 🔗

Another smart-arse. Snowdon like Dan Hodges was never a genuine sceptic.

360766 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to John P, 1, #1357 of 1992 🔗

I agree…I always thought he was lightweight on a spiked podcast I heard….I could tell he was rather a cowardly type wanting to stay on the fence. Delingpole, also on the same podcast, by contrast was unequivocal. I have never thought ‘libertarianism’ was a very coherent political philosophy anyway….but if he thinks supporting this big government tyranny amounts to it he is a very stupid man. In wartime he would be seen as a turncoat and a traitor.

360750 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to mr ben, 2, #1358 of 1992 🔗

Why would I, he doesn’t even seem to understand what the word libertarian means, so he’s unlikely to have the capacity to understand the complexity of the governments covid19 fraud. Besides I don’t like covid19 fiction books.

360755 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to mr ben, 1, #1359 of 1992 🔗

Thing is, it was the first lockdown that caused a worse second covid season, nothing particularly surprising or unexplainable about it.

360785 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to mr ben, 2, #1360 of 1992 🔗

A lot of these attacks look more like personal vendettas than anything else to me.

360791 ▶▶▶ mr ben, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1361 of 1992 🔗

Cummins and Delingpole were quite scathing of him in a recent podcast. Perhaps you are right

360812 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to mr ben, 4, #1362 of 1992 🔗

He seems to fail to appreciate just how bad PCR testing is, how inappropriate it is for use as a diagnostic tool, nor the extremely poor contamination controls and low skill of the army of testers. There is a huge fudge factor to contend with, even before running the PCR test beyond its capability to present a meaningful result. Combined with the creative accounting of government, where cases are counted multiple times week to week, we might as well be tossing dice to determine infection rates. These are all a matter of record. They are facts.

Libertarians don’t generally seek to give government a free pass on their bullshit by skating over glaring problems in order to appease an audience. I fear he may be full of shit.

360822 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #1363 of 1992 🔗

The PCR is simply a process that acts on an input to create an output.

The, “test,” is simply a set of made up criteria around the PCR process.

Alleged experts and authority figures are telling us that these criteria applied to the process output are a, “meaningful diagnostic.”

360737 ▶ Ambwozere, replying to Ambwozere, 5, #1364 of 1992 🔗

Anyone else received some government propaganda from the their local council?

Would love to know where they get the figures from.

360742 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Ambwozere, 5, #1365 of 1992 🔗

Where do they get the money from as well…oh yes silly me…us!

360751 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ambwozere, 6, #1366 of 1992 🔗

I love how everything in the graphic design of this notice is intended to intimidate and terrify, right down to the typeface.

360782 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to awildgoose, 7, #1367 of 1992 🔗

Exactly, if there was a real DANGER the army or police would be scribbling messages on bits of paper and stuffing them through letterboxes not tasking Saatchi & Saatchi* with the job.

*Are they still going?

360789 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1368 of 1992 🔗

So intimidating it’s been filed in the recycling bin so the Council are having it straight back.

360806 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ambwozere, 2, #1369 of 1992 🔗

Similar BS in the Dunmow Broadcast.

360936 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #1370 of 1992 🔗

I’ve not had the ‘pleasure’ of leaflets yet, but seen on my local news all kinds of bizarre figures just thrown about.. Needless to say completely unverifiable stuff, Sounds like definite grounds for a complaint &/or FOIA.

360952 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #1371 of 1992 🔗

population 506,000 , deaths 120 according to the leaflet. Countrywide that would extrapolate to 15,600 ‘covid’ deaths a month. They must have been reading Fungusons projections and got them mixed up with reality. Reality would be more like 50. or less than 2 a day.

360740 ▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #1372 of 1992 🔗

Someone posted yesterday about the film The Hamburg Syndrome. A complation of clips is below. It is pretty astonishing in it’s accuracy. The Hamburg Syndrome 1979 German pandemic Sci-fi film. are the powers that be usiing it as an instruction manual?

https://youtu.be/ScHvU2JExQo

It might be interesting for a film buff to look into the producers and money behind the film. Obviously the film was made for a reason, a big production never just accidentally happens.

360860 ▶▶ jos, replying to Basics, 1, #1373 of 1992 🔗

This is so chilling and so accurate that it can’t possibly be a coincidence- I know this site doesn’t want to encourage talk of scamdemics but if you watch this you can’t possibly go on believing it’s real..

360871 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to jos, 1, #1374 of 1992 🔗

After watching the clip I can only agree.

Every point in the clip is something we have seen in the past year.

Heck, some of the words and phrases used in the film are exactly the same!

360889 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 2, #1375 of 1992 🔗

Chilling!! – the director Peter Fleischmann also directed a film called hard to be a god that I have on DVD, have had it years and haven’t had the time to watch it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_to_Be_a_God_(1989_film)

Not particularly interesting but thought I would share

360745 awildgoose, 4, #1376 of 1992 🔗

After more thought the ‘Covid in ice cream,’ scare story makes perfect, terrifying sense.

This is because Covidism is a fundamentalist faith.

The point of fundamentalism is fundamentalism.

Anything that distracts from this must be demonized and destroyed.

It works the same in any fundamentalist faith – Covidism, the Great Reset, Chinese Communism, Islam, even Christianity.

360765 ▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 32, #1377 of 1992 🔗

I’ve just heard that very sadly a 12 year old child has committed suicide over lockdown.

The government has blood on their hands.

360771 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #1378 of 1992 🔗

How awful and how must her parents feel. This government is despicable!

360775 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1379 of 1992 🔗

That is very sad. I had news of a 20 year olds suicide. Who knows the pandemic measures could have contributed, I am certain they didn’t help this persons mental health.

360787 ▶▶ Yorkie lass, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1380 of 1992 🔗

Not just their hands fully bathing in it. This is awful and so sad.

360816 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #1381 of 1992 🔗

A disgusting and completely avoidable tragedy.

360866 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1382 of 1992 🔗

Blood on the hands of this murderous,insane government

360848 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #1383 of 1992 🔗

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grandma-shares-heartbreak-after-boy-23328172

GoFundme page here

https://uk.gofundme.com/f/help-give-our-beautiful-ethan-a-send-off

360767 ▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 7, #1384 of 1992 🔗

I must not listen to David Lammy
I must not listen to David Lammy
I must not listen to David Lammy
I must not listen to David Lammy………………..

360769 ▶▶ John P, replying to Luckyharry69, 8, #1385 of 1992 🔗

I think I can manage that.

360921 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1386 of 1992 🔗

Oh dear.
a couple of years ago he was screaming that different colours of smoke at the Vatican (during the process for selecting & changing Popes) was racist;
then he ranted that white people doing charity work in Africa was racist;
then he said Brexit was purely voted on by the racist Tory southerners (ignoring the fact that 60% of London voted remain, around 60% of the west midlands, & 70+% of some parts of the north voted to leave)

I almost don’t dare ask what he’s said now… anyone give me odds that it involves either or both of (i) a screaming rant,& (ii) accusing everything of being racist?

361064 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1387 of 1992 🔗

he’s just a loud mouth twat with a huge chip on his shoulder which makes him unbalanced.

360777 ▶ danny, replying to danny, 21, #1388 of 1992 🔗

Outraged headline of the Mail. “Britons ignore Johnson’s plea”.
Might not be the solidarity of the Italian restaurants, but compare this to two weeks into the March lockdown, and it is clear to see that the loons of Sage and government (and the media) have lost control of this narrative now.

360832 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to danny, 3, #1389 of 1992 🔗

This lockdown is nothing like Spring – round me (SE London) looks like business as ususal on the roads (obvs many actual businesses are still shut though).

360881 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to danny, 2, #1390 of 1992 🔗

What plea was that?

I do think just about the only people 100% bought in now are politicians and the fools making up the Frankenstein SAGE committees.

360781 ▶ Joseph, replying to Joseph, 25, #1391 of 1992 🔗

Here we have the most recent comment and the most popular on the Daily Mail.

Proof of bots at work. Pathetic social engineering.

360794 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Joseph, 3, #1392 of 1992 🔗

Well done.

360815 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Joseph, 5, #1393 of 1992 🔗

Comment and vote bots.

Well done 77!

360869 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Joseph, 2, #1394 of 1992 🔗

Rock science,that’s geology isn’t it ?.

360925 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Joseph, 5, #1395 of 1992 🔗

I saw that exact comment, the Matt Hancock in the park article, was gonna say something about it but decided not to… but I watched the downvotes go from 1004 to 961 and the upvotes jump up by about 700 to 1777 after a single page referesh a few seconds after I loaded it. For context – it’s not possible to change your vote on a DM comment once you’ve clicked.

Not just me then.

361186 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Joseph, 1, #1396 of 1992 🔗

No-one I’ve accused of being 77th on social media so far has denied it.

360797 ▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #1397 of 1992 🔗

I’d quite like the government to just go back to the pandemic response plan from 2014

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/344695/PI_Response_Plan_13_Aug.pdf

ok, its for influenza – but so was Spanish flu

360830 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to steve_w, 2, #1398 of 1992 🔗

Ferguson’s model was an old influenza one

360802 ▶ danny, replying to danny, 29, #1399 of 1992 🔗

Have been trying for a while out of interest, but cannot find a single page on either the BBC or The Guardian devoted to the Italian restaurants opening up on mass today. Surely whatever their personal views on a story, a news story is a news story?
it’s akin to saying we won’t mention a forest fire, because we don’t like fire. Disgraceful betrayal of professional journalism.

360814 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to danny, 13, #1400 of 1992 🔗

Because the government doesn’t want it happening here. If on Twitter, send all the films and info about places opening up to @fsb_policy (Federation of Small Businesses) and @britishchambers and ask them when they’re doing the same.

360880 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1401 of 1992 🔗

Great, please post any updates on replies

360969 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to danny, 4, #1402 of 1992 🔗

it’s akin to saying we won’t mention a forest fire

I think it is more like “We won’t mention the forest fire because the wrong forest is burning”

360809 ▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 35, #1403 of 1992 🔗

Walked past my local testing centre again today. Saturday afternoon and not a single car on site .

I called across to the guard on the entrance gate: “Easiest job you’ve ever had!”

And came the answer: “Been like this for months.”

360811 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1404 of 1992 🔗

Sounds like a good job to fund the writing of the next Great British Novel.

360833 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #1405 of 1992 🔗

So where are all the positive test coming from? Full on made up fraud?

360941 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Jaguarpig, #1406 of 1992 🔗

How did you guess?

360962 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Jaguarpig, 3, #1407 of 1992 🔗

I suspect they’re all coming from hospitals, which is the most likely place to catch any virus. That, and they test every patient until they come up positive.

361061 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1408 of 1992 🔗

yes i saw a video of same experience of a test centre in bristol – no-one there and a member of staff asleep on the table. This seems to be replicated across the country – kind of says it all really. I think the politburo just make up the test numbers.

361144 ▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #1409 of 1992 🔗

My local testing station was moved to a location where it is out of public view, when it was easily viewable from a public road, it was very quiet.

361136 ▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1410 of 1992 🔗

And that is why few people are rocking the boat…

360813 ▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 25, #1411 of 1992 🔗

Professor John “fucking loon” Edmunds wants us in lockdown forever. Imagine my shock when I find he did his PhD at Imperial.

360820 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 9, #1412 of 1992 🔗

Still love to understand people him

Does he believe in the nonsense he spouts? Seems unlikely.

If not, surely at some point the power and the glory he gets from pushing this line is somewhat outweighed by living in a totally shit world. I mean, unless you are a super VIP the world we are living in is shit for everyone – at least if they are human and not a lizard

Surely even loons like him have some things they enjoy doing that are now banned/closed?

360824 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Julian, 11, #1413 of 1992 🔗

Covidian fundamentalism is the most joyful thing in their lives.

The worst fundamentalists are the worst hypocrites as well.

It’s like the preacher who rages against alcohol in public, then goes home and drinks himself blind.

It’s the biggest thrill they will ever experience.

360828 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 2, #1414 of 1992 🔗

Another one who was for a herd immunity approach at the start.Has he been bought off or caught up in the hysteria?

360842 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to steve_w, 5, #1415 of 1992 🔗

Well they’re happy to campaign for these restrictions when they have no intention of obeying them themselves. As exemplified by their spiritual leader Neil Ferguson.

360817 ▶ pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 5, #1416 of 1992 🔗

I wonder if in the future all nhs employees should go through a sort of basic training to be able to better assist in times like these perhaps just simple things like collecting vitals distributing meds, changing beds etc this could free up the time of nurses.

also in many places I have noticed that there is often a old hospital near a new hospital perhaps we need some mothballed hospitals that we can open up around the country staffing would be a problem I guess.

what I think is clear though is that the nhs hasn’t been saved it has failed at its job in our time of need and isn’t fit for purpose.

360844 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to pvenkman, 7, #1417 of 1992 🔗

That would demand joined up thinking and different departments working together. Which they can but only after getting approval from 3 committees, 43 subcommittees and 4 different HR functions.

360818 Tom Blackburn, 1, #1418 of 1992 🔗

https://twitter.com/BBGRichie/status/1350464697057878018?s=20

360825 ▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #1419 of 1992 🔗

I’ve just seen some footage of protesters in Hong Kong. A lot of the protesters are wearing full face gas masks against tear gas. And people think wearing a damp rag will stop something very very small. You can fit 1000 coronaviruses across the width of a hair.

360829 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1420 of 1992 🔗

The damp rag also traps and provides a perfect growth medium for nasty bacteria.

360826 danny, 15, #1421 of 1992 🔗

Now Jimmy, time for your zoom lesson.
Q. what should you do if you are poorly?
A. Go and see a doctor or go to the hospital?
Q. Very good. Now, what do you think would happen if the doctors told you to go away, and all the big hospitals closed their doors?
A. Erm… Lots of people would be poorly?
Q. Well done Jimmy. You are doing so well. Now. Next question. You have lungs in your body, and their job is to help you to breath. Try it now. A deep breath. In through the nose and out through the mouth. Brilliant. Now. Would do you think will happen if I cover your mouth and nose with this cloth?
A. Oh, I know that one. It would be hard to breathe, and I might get a bit poorly.
Q. That’s right Jimmy, which is why you must be very careful. Ok last question. Do you think that more people get poorly in the summer when it is hot, or in the winter when brrrrr, it gets very cold and rainy?
A. Definitely the cold one, because I always get a runny nose then.
Q. Ok. So, we’ve got closed hospitals, lots more poorly people, and masks restricting airways. Hmmmm. I still don’t understand why excess death rates are so high at the moment. Must be all down to Covid.
A. What’s Covid sir?
Q. You wouldn’t understand.

360831 ▶ mr ben, replying to mr ben, #1422 of 1992 🔗

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1347200811303055364

chart on weekly ICU admissions showing them very much higher than in recent years. Reliable? I would like to see it analysed

360926 ▶▶ iansn, replying to mr ben, 4, #1423 of 1992 🔗

He shows his fear graph indicating that there are 17 people per million for the whole UK. 2210 per week. London has a capacity of 1600 beds. This figure would give a weekly requirement of 136 ICU beds. London is running at capacity, so if his figures are correct who is taking up the other 1400 beds?
As usual, the context ie capacity in this case, is left out. Fear graphs always are shown without context.

360835 Achilles, 13, #1424 of 1992 🔗

They wonder why the vaccinations aren’t having an effect on deaths in Israel yet. Well it needs more time to play out but there are two obvious explanations. The vaccine isn’t actually effective for the kind of people who it normally kills (I.e the old and sick). and/or the people aren’t actually dying of Covid. Pretty basic stuff but hypotheses any decent scientist should be eliminating before moving on to anything more complicated.

360836 ▶ Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 24, #1425 of 1992 🔗

I sent another email to my MP. This one was entirely personal to me.

This is part of my email

“I’m asking you to check who is voting to remove my rights of freedom to leave my home and have a member of my family visit me as it is now seen as a major crime.

I went along with the fear mongering at the start of this and I expected our governments to prepare as promised (remember the prime minister “3 weeks to flatten the curve”) our hospitals and help protect the elderly and the vulnerable from this dreadful virus. I expected there to be a plan in place with better management of the NHS, after all that’s why we elect our members of Parliament.

We have had 10 months to prepare for a virus that even I knew by the end of summer was going to be seasonal and yet here we are imprisoned again and under house arrest for how long? only the first minister knows. We now have so many new laws being created to imprison us.

I can’t wear a mask, I get panic attacks and cannot breath, I did get an excmption card for that but am terrified to shop without the mask in case I get attacked or shouted at, or asked to leave the store, the propaganda in the media is now turning the country I love into something sinister that I feel threatened by from the public and the police. Neighbours are being encouraged to report on neighbours for the offence of having their own daughter in the house. That is not a society I want to be any part of, neighbours should be there for each other in times of crisis not being given excuses to phone the police because they have some minor grevience with their neighbour.
I now feel like a victim of mental abuse on a daily basis inflicted on me by the government in Scotland, the same government I voted for.
The law or rule changes, I haven’t a clue which, constantly and all because the NHS has been badly managed for years and the public are expected to protect the same system that was put in place to protect the public.

For 20 years I fought and mainly won my battles with depression and anxiety and last year I turned 60 I found myself having to ask for help for both depression and anxiety. The anxiety is now so bad I that I have a constant knot in my stomach. I have contemplated suicide before I asked for help but some days are so difficult that I find myself asking why bother as there is no end in sight, none. Broken promise after broken promise. I’m not being protected from a virus, I’m being slowly tortured by the very people I helped put in power.

I would be obliged if you could explain to me why my rights have all been removed, why I am now under house arrest and what crime did I supposedly commit to deserve this treatment? I would be grateful if I got a release date.”

My reply from this man was follows

“Thank you for contacting me with regards to your concerns over the lockdown restrictions. I am sorry to hear that you are finding this so very difficult.

We are all subject to restrictions on our lives now but the reality is that over 5,000 people in Scotland and over 80,000 people in the United Kingdom have died from this virus and we all need to do our part in preventing the spread of this horrible disease.

I do believe now we have the vaccine there is light at the end of the tunnel. I know it seems a long way off but by all of us complying with the Government Guidelines, we will be free of this virus sooner than if we do not.

Isolating can be very draining. Please do try to go out for some exercise and you can also meet another member of a household outside.

You can apply for an exemption card If you can get one you can wear it pinned to your clothing and that should reduce the likelihood of anyone being rude to you. I realise that getting out of the house is a priority and that you would prefer to shop yourself however it is sometimes easier to have shopping delivered.”

I have omitted his reply concerning my depression as he gives me details of mental health group from the Council he lives in and totally missed my point of me being afraid to leave my own council area, which is NOT the same as his.

Please note the “ You can apply for an exemption card If you can get one you can wear it pinned to your clothing ”

What caring individuals are speaking for us.

360851 ▶▶ jos, replying to Just about sane, 8, #1426 of 1992 🔗

Tell him to watch the YouTube clips of The Hamburg Syndrome a 1979 German sci-fi film – someone posted it on here. It’s exactly what’s happening to us now and I don’t believe it’s a coincidence! Don’t get depressed, get furious!!!

360902 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Just about sane, 3, #1427 of 1992 🔗

Did he at least provide a printable version of a yellow star – since You are not happy with their glorious fearmongering?

360918 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Just about sane, 5, #1428 of 1992 🔗

He could have saved himself a lot of keystrokes and just replied “I don’t give a shit, go away”. Would have been honest at least.

360938 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Just about sane, 6, #1429 of 1992 🔗

‘all because the NHS has been badly managed for years and the public are expected to protect the same system that was put in place to protect the public.’

Quite.

360954 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Just about sane, 2, #1430 of 1992 🔗

What a cretin. Wish I had more to offer other than I feel your pain. These moronic virtue signallers don’t care about anyone other than themselves and are the most selfish excuses for human beings I’ve ever had the misfortune of coming across. They’ll do anything to smack down others so they can feel “safe.” Or they just go along to get re-elected because they think they’re doing what the public wants, which makes them immoral cowards. Not a flattering picture in either case.

361037 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Just about sane, #1431 of 1992 🔗

Name and shame this piece of dross. We need to get these assholes thrown out

361103 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Skippy, 1, #1432 of 1992 🔗

Allan Dorans MP for Ayr Carrick & Cumnock

360837 ▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #1433 of 1992 🔗

Latest NHS/Gov dashboard update shows 1295 deaths within 28 days of a test and on the same page 3417 registered covid deaths per week. No explanation of how in one week you can record over 7000 deaths within 28 days of a test but only record 3417 deaths registered?
This daily scary deaths within 28 days figure seems very weird and is only serving to whip up the hysteria and scare stories. I think it should b e dropped as a reporting measure but I am guessing there is little chance of that happening?

360856 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Steve Martindale, #1434 of 1992 🔗

The weekly number currently only goes up to week ending the 1st Jan.

“Number of deaths of people whose death certificate mentioned COVID-19 as one of the causes. The data are published weekly by the ONS, NRS and NISRA and there is a lag in reporting of at least 11 days because the data are based on death registrations.”

So unfortunately this will rise considerably soon.

I do agree the reporting of the death figures by date reported is very misleading.

360978 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Jonny S., #1435 of 1992 🔗

Looking at the dashboard, the total of the figures for deaths within 28 days upto 1st Jan = 4770
That means that the deaths within 28 days is still showing 1353, (39.5%) more deaths than the actual registered deaths for that week.
So even going back to match time periods the ‘deaths within 28 days’ figure is way above the actual registered deaths. Why is this? what is the official explanation? and why is the UK apparently so happy to run with this glaring disparity in the official death totals?

360863 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Martindale, #1436 of 1992 🔗

You should insist he answers your question.

360839 ▶ John P, replying to John P, 33, #1437 of 1992 🔗

It’s Saturday, so this afternoon I was on my weekly country walk. I drove out about six miles from home and parked up in a big village.

Didn’t get off to a good start as I passed an unmasked woman carrying bottles of spring water who did the old body contortion routine. I turned and suggested to her that she shouldn’t be out if she was frightened of people.

Things improved from then on, however. I was avoiding the fields for the most part as they are very damp just now and passed a number of people out walking. Some families, some with their dogs.

Most were unmasked, but I did pass a couple, the woman wearing her muzzle. Ironically, perhaps she was very friendly and offered me a warm hello. Makes a change from all of the nutjobs doing their Donald Sutherland Invasion of the Bodysnatchers impressions.

I never imagined that there might be a human being behind the mask. You live and learn.

I photographed the pubs and churches I passed along the way. I’m always particularly sad when I see the empty pubs. Maybe my photographs will be worth something in a few years when they’ve all gone.

So a generally uneventful stroll. Cold, but at least it wasn’t raining.

360875 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to John P, 6, #1438 of 1992 🔗

This reminds me a little of the Moody Blues song, Dear Diary:

Dear Diary, what a day it's been
Dear Diary, it's been just like a dream
Woke up too late, wasn't where I should have been
For goodness sake, what's happening to me?
Write lightly, yours truly, dear Diary

It was cold outside my door
So many people by the score
Rushing around so senselessly
They don't notice there's people like me
Write lightly, yours truly, dear Diary

They don't know what they're playing
No, they've no way of knowing what the game is
Still they carry on doing what they can
Outside me, oh politely, dear Diary

It's over, will tomorrow be the same?
I know that they're really not to blame
If they weren't so blind then surely they'd see
There's a much better way for them to be
Inside me, yours truly, dear Diary

360991 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1439 of 1992 🔗

It is interesting how many lockdown sceptics seem to have their musical hearts in the 60s. Perhaps it reflects the turmoil of those times, Vietnam War, CND marches etc that had an influence that has carried through the years. As Bob Dylan put it and Peter Hitchens (another child of the 60s) talks about, ‘ But I can’t think for you – You’ll have to decide

360995 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1440 of 1992 🔗

Do I have to sing a bar of “Alice’s Restaurant” then?

360878 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to John P, 4, #1441 of 1992 🔗

I envy You for being able to take photographs of Your depressing surroundings. Closed pubs are depressing in my eyes. Equally, I would love to capture the present state of affairs in Piriápolis – however ot would only take a short time and coppers would inquire why I am taking pictures of the sad state of town. One time in Montevideo, I was approached by plainclothes and they demanded that I delete under their watch the image of a beautiful blue house in Pocitos. They also advised to not take another picture – unless I would want to get arrested. Now I am tempted however to get a spycam…

360845 ▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1442 of 1992 🔗

It now appears to me that at least one of the problems that we have is ‘first past the post’.

Creating, as it has, a two party system and successive governments from either party where dissent is stifled through bullying patronage, the ‘payroll vote’, majority government has become unaccountable, exercising largely untrammelled power.

Exercised for the good of all, this bestowal of relatively absolute power, lacking a written constitution, by the electorate could be an excellent thing.

Exercised by a bunch of ‘Nervous Nellies’, no leader amongst them, in thrall to opinion polls, focus groups, to all manner of vested interests, many residing outside this country’s borders, this political system is now, manifestly, inimical to the interests of the citizens of this country.

Consequently, to my great consternation, it appears that the only vote worth bestowing, in future, must be, in due course, one for the Liberal Democrats since only they will offer the necessary reforms to the electoral system of this country.

And only under a system of proportional representation can the new parties that we so badly need grow and flourish.

360857 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #1443 of 1992 🔗

Speaking for myself, the only way forward I can see is a system of direct democracy, such as they have in Switzerland. I’d sack the party system altogether and return to representatives.

361082 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Nick Rose, #1444 of 1992 🔗

I would go for that if the country was also split into democratic cantons….we already have them……counties…….but, to get there, we have to vote in a party committed to constitutional and electoral reform and there is only one party offering that……

Unfortunately, like all the other parties, they lack the key ingredient…..a leader…….

360891 ▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Tim Bidie, #1445 of 1992 🔗

Yup, it’s a total joke to refer to our ‘democracy’ as a democracy when it is, infact, a plurality. Prop rep would be a good start. A republic might be quite nice too, would be good to see the back of those scrounging twats in Buck House. Madge doesn’t want to do her job properly per the Terms of Settlement, get rid.

360907 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 1, #1446 of 1992 🔗

“Eidgenossenschaft” (Oath Co-op?) like in Switzerland maybe.

360939 ▶▶▶▶ Pangolin Sandwich, replying to Nottheonly1, 1, #1447 of 1992 🔗

Pre 19th century maybe, but they got federalised after that so the confederated states lost their political independence.

360966 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Pangolin Sandwich, 5, #1448 of 1992 🔗

This crisis has turned me into a republican.There is no point to the monarchy if they don’t intervene in a situation like this.

361043 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1449 of 1992 🔗

me too i’m afraid – i was generally supportive of the royal family in the past and thought they did some good causes and tourists like the traditional pomp and stuff which helped tourism economy etc.
But I now wonder what their role is apart from being state sponsored posh nobodies living an extremely priviledged lifestyle in those castles as our expense – nice gig if you can get it! Their role is very hard to identify and justify at the moment and becoming increasingly irrelevant despite the cute pictures of the kids!
The whole harry and me-again sorry drama has cemented this and who the hell gives a stuff about them? And Charley boy well he just goes on about the planet and crap they swans around in his private helicopter – hypocrite, if he really believes in the climate then he can walk to effin Davos later this month!
Sorry rant over

361364 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1450 of 1992 🔗

They are a waste of space.

360916 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #1451 of 1992 🔗

We had a referendum on proportional representation (it was the price the Liberal Democrats exacted for putting the Conservatives in power). The electorate rejected it.

360944 ▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1452 of 1992 🔗

No option for proportional rep in that referendum, only what we have or some complictated different system that no one understood.

361028 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to RichT, 1, #1453 of 1992 🔗

It was 10 years ago and it was called the Alternative vote which sounded like something you wouldn’t really want to mess with.. Unlike Switzerland with their many referenda which are explained with extensive coverage of what the vote is asking people to choose between, we are left ignorant because it’s what suits the magisterium

361000 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Steve Hayes, #1454 of 1992 🔗

That was then……..

360947 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #1455 of 1992 🔗

I agree with your sentiments, although I couldn’t vote for LibDems. I have before, but not now. I couldn’t vote for Tories, Labour (especially not under Starmer); neither could I vote Green as I have in the past. So I suspect I may not vote next time (whenever that might be) unless someone with an ounce of sanity comes to the fore.

360998 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Jo, 1, #1456 of 1992 🔗

Same with me, I rather doubt that either of the proposed new Political Parties are going to come to much? I expect it is either Independent or a spoiled ballot paper for me.

361005 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Jo, #1457 of 1992 🔗

I cannot vote for the Liberal Democrats, but I could vote for PR via the Liberal Democrats in order to free up the suffocating system of today for a breath of fresh air, young small enthusiastic and energetic new parties….no other way we can achieve that……

361398 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tim Bidie, #1458 of 1992 🔗

Remember the Alternative vote thing? They gave us a referendum on that. They totally welched out of real PR. Another massive sell-out from the lib dem dem.

360849 ▶ danny, replying to danny, 26, #1459 of 1992 🔗

Watched somebody today get their mask out of their pocket to go into a shop. It fell into a puddle. They picked it up and clamped it over their face anyway. Just to be safe.

360853 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to danny, 10, #1460 of 1992 🔗

There’s no hope for the stupid.

360858 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to danny, 9, #1461 of 1992 🔗

I heard the other day that someone in a shop had forgotten their mask while that Dr Hillary was in there. He watched a bloke hand this other person their USED mask and they subsequently put it on! I don’t think it gets much more gross.

360935 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 3, #1462 of 1992 🔗

They are desperate to inject rat piss into their bodies, so sucking a bit through their virtue trumpets surely won’t make much difference.

360877 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to danny, 17, #1463 of 1992 🔗

Evidence that people are complying because it’s the law not because it makes them feel safer.

361205 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to danny, #1464 of 1992 🔗

I have seen this more than once, people dropping them on the ground, then putting them on, beyond disgusting.

360850 ▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #1465 of 1992 🔗

Isn’t this good news. All shops should do it too.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/15/i-am-open-50000-italian-restaurant-owners-plan-to-ignore-lockdown/

360861 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1466 of 1992 🔗

Good news, and good comments too

360937 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1467 of 1992 🔗

Yes they should

360855 Nottheonly1, 5, #1468 of 1992 🔗

In light of all the contradicting news and policies dumped on free falling mental health of billions of humans the planet over, I was reminded of the late Bill Hicks – whom I still, or more than ever before adore, for his razor sharp mind and wit. My favorite combination.
At the peak of his insights into what ‘society’ actually constitutes, he converted what J. Krishnamurti had termed the “profoundly sick society” towards a much simpler analogy: “It’s just a Ride!”. Reading todays latest accounts of what happens in the UK and Europe, I was reminded of Bill Hicks assessment and realized that his notion could easily applied to the present mayhem dished out by wannabe dictators of all sizes and shapes. Allow me to introduce to You a Bumpersticker that You are free to use without limitations:

360859 Steeve, 10, #1469 of 1992 🔗

Covid vaccination A guide for older adults –
These are the sum of the symptoms of Covid19 they mention
A new and continuous cough
A high temperature
A loss of, or change in your normal sense of taste or smell
Feeling very tired
Have aching muscles,
Diarrhoea
Vomiting
Fever
Confusion
(No mention of the Covid toe that a few have reported on here)

Common side effects of the injection
Painful, heavy feeling and tenderness in the arm where you had your injection
Feeling tired
General aches and flu like symptoms
Although feeling feverish is not uncommon for 2-3 days , a high temperature is unusua l ( This may mean you have Covid 19)

Symptoms following vaccination normally last for less than a week.

My 97yr old Aunty had her first injection (pfizer) a few days ago with no side effects.

Nearest for Mum at the moment is 11 miles(NHS calculation) this would be have to be by microlight aircraft . The shortest route by car is actually 21 miles.

After being vaccinated you will have to

practise social distancing
wear a face mask
wash carefully and frequently
follow the current guidance

360862 ▶ John P, replying to John P, 46, #1470 of 1992 🔗

Tory MP Simon Hoare has just wet himself on twitter. Re Laurence Fox:

“I hadn’t realised that being a first class, ocean going, chateau bottled, nuclear powered prick was an exemption from wearing a mask. What a selfish loathsome tool this man is”

Perhaps those with twatter accounts (I don’t have one) might like to signal their support for this upstanding citizen?

Personally I think the unfortunately named Hoare is a “nuclear powered prick”, but that’s just me.

Since when did a salary of £82,000 entitle Hoare to be such a wanker in public?

360883 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to John P, 22, #1471 of 1992 🔗

One of the few good things that has come out of this is that no one now can ever be unaware how truly ghastly the Tory Party is.

360888 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Boris Bullshit, 19, #1472 of 1992 🔗

And the Labour Party under Stalin Starmer

360894 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Jo Dominich, 10, #1473 of 1992 🔗

and the pansexual illiberal democrats…….

360960 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Jo Dominich, 6, #1474 of 1992 🔗

I don’t agree with a lot of what George Galloway says but he described them as 2 cheeks of the same arse.

360985 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1475 of 1992 🔗

As a member, I agree (I cast no vote in the last leadership election). But the Tories are undoubtedly in the lead for winning the Total Tosser stakes.

361056 ▶▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to RickH, 3, #1476 of 1992 🔗

My vote didn’t arrive & I resigned from the Party at the end of last year-a mix of North Korea and Green Socialism was finally too much for me after 45 years.

361361 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1477 of 1992 🔗

I see virtually no difference in any of them to be honest. What we have now is a kind of National Government of the shits…Ramsey Macdonald would be proud.

360886 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to John P, 12, #1478 of 1992 🔗

A really nasty piece of work I tweeted the Swiss Policy Research page with lnks to studies refuting mask efficacy & the Dr Ted Noel Youtube video showing him blowing billowing clouds through a mask by vaping. But my MP took no notice so I’m sure he won’t.

360893 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to John P, 8, #1479 of 1992 🔗

he should resign making comments like that…fucking disgrace

360933 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Luckyharry69, 7, #1480 of 1992 🔗

Tory Party Code of Conduct
https://www.conservatives.com/code-of-conduct
7. Leadership – Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their own behaviour.
actively promote and robustly support the principles and be willing to challenge poor behaviour wherever it occurs;
lead by example to encourage and foster respect and tolerance;
treat others in a professional and straightforward manner…

361059 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1481 of 1992 🔗

He’s following the example of Johnny ‘Johnny’ Mercer MP (Con., Plymouth).

Referred on Twatter to people like me who objected to being stopped at police roadblocks in Lockdown 1 as ‘kn*bs’, and people like James Delingpole, and by extension me, as a ‘c**t’ for not wearing a muzzle.

What a fine bunch of MPs we’ve elected to govern us – school-boyish imbeciles.

360900 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, #1482 of 1992 🔗

Bring it on.

360901 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to John P, 14, #1483 of 1992 🔗

These MPs are showing themselves to be really low level.

The man is entitled to think what he likes, but I really don’t think that it’s appropriate for a man in his position to be writing in that way on social media.

360911 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1484 of 1992 🔗

Couldn’t agree more.

361035 ▶▶▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to Adamb, 1, #1485 of 1992 🔗

Being an MP is no longer a particularly great job. So the people who do it are not high quality.

360934 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to John P, 1, #1486 of 1992 🔗

I’m not on twatter, but if you look at the attached John under ‘Controversy’, I would suggest ‘people in glass houses’, is pretty apt for Mr Hoare:

Simon Hoare – Wikipedia

360943 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to John P, 1, #1487 of 1992 🔗

Sounds like a man who has never got his hands dirty.
The ones who voted for him are the real WANKERS!!!

360946 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John P, 1, #1488 of 1992 🔗

A few of these MPs have got too much time on their hands and it shows as – pardon the pun – the mask is slipping.

360948 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to John P, #1489 of 1992 🔗

My bankers are Hoares…..

360864 ▶ Silke David, replying to Silke David, 13, #1490 of 1992 🔗

I just listened to 3 hours of a review of 2020 by the German corona auschuss (Fuellmilch etc).
I am so glad I speak fluent German, as this was one of the best resource to turn people. or at least stir up some questions.

360904 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Silke David, 2, #1491 of 1992 🔗

Link please?

360963 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jo, #1492 of 1992 🔗

corona-ausschuss.de

Scroll down the page, it shows YT, but if you go their channel, it is not there.

360865 ▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 21, #1493 of 1992 🔗

Off topic but boycott Cadburys. If you have the stomach Google Cadburys cream egg advert. Its two men eating a cream egg at the same time. They wouldn’t show a man and a women doing this.

360879 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #1494 of 1992 🔗

A man and a woman would get no woke brownie points.

361055 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #1495 of 1992 🔗

It would if the man and woman were the correct woke orthodox colours.

360892 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1496 of 1992 🔗

My boycott list is getting very long…….

360920 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #1497 of 1992 🔗

Live & Let Live I say , however making a mainstream Gay innuendo advert with fondant Creme egg putty sticking to each other’s lips !! Well !! ..

360957 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #1498 of 1992 🔗

The wokists won’t even let you enjoy a creme egg in peace.Everything is politicised now

360958 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Smelly Melly, #1499 of 1992 🔗

Tony’s Chocolonely – far nicer chocolate.

361040 ▶▶ davews, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1500 of 1992 🔗

I am not anti-LGBT by any means but having it thrust in front of you all the time is wearing very thin.

361292 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1501 of 1992 🔗

When Kraft took over Cadbury they said they had no intention of closing the factory in Keynsham, near Bristol. As soon as the deal went through , they closed it, along with other sites and transferred production to poland cos it s cheaper. Thus their products are boycotted in this house. Plus their products (sneakily tested) don t taste anywhere near as nice as they used to, they are halal and they continue to use palm oil. All in all – they can fuck off.

360867 DanClarke, 38, #1502 of 1992 🔗

I’m still amazed at how evil our Parliamentarians have turned out, I’m not naive enough to think that the majority arent in it for what they can get out of it, but never really thought they would stoop this low under guise of a low mortality virus, destroying everything and so blatantly

360870 ▶ JamesM, replying to JamesM, 31, #1503 of 1992 🔗

Interesting article on today’s update about suing GPs. If one great reform is needed following this mess, then it is root and branch reform of the NHS. It has ceased to function on so many levels that it is no longer fit for purpose. In the meantime, the people who run this wretched organization continue to demand policies that heap up the collateral damage. They may think they have widespread support, but, believe me, public opinion is slowly but surely turning against them.

360874 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JamesM, #1504 of 1992 🔗

Remember Thatcher and British Rail. Be careful what you wish for.

360971 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1505 of 1992 🔗

Exactly. The NHS needs reform – particularly in terms of its politically captured management.

But, as a user with wider experience than most, I kno