2021-01-17

30,000 Italian Restaurants Defy Lockdown Rules / Hugo talks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YZGXNwri0o

Doctor – When Will The Virus End?
https://rumble.com/vcttcv-doctor-when-will-the-virus-end.html

tonyheller

After 304 days of the 15 day lockdown, Democrats no longer want to destroy the economy

304 days ? My main regional hospital has had 195 Covid deaths in that time, 6 in the past 7 days including one sadlidied on Friday.
Woohoi, scary.

Was that deaths from or with Covid?

Local Live online only ever says ‘Covid19 deaths’.

And of course that is a lie, as we all know.

Could the change of mind by the Democrats be due to Biden’s (Joe Brezhnev) election? – If you are in charge of the government then you are now responsible for the economy and the voters will blame you for the results

Yes, that’s it, Democrat governors were getting madder and madder in the hope of being noticed but now that Whitmer’s got the nod (Dem. vice chair) there’s no longer any point.

That’s because there is nothing left.

Pretzel Logic
 https://rumble.com/vcv75n-pretzel-logic.html

tonyheller

The virus story becomes more ridiculous and Orwellian every day.

Fascinating. As he says, to believe both of the following
A. Flu has disappeared because everyone is wearing masks
B. Covid is still rife because the public are not wearing masks enough.
Is indeed nothing less than Orwellian Doublethink.

By way of contrast I saw elsewhere
yesterday that Cambodia has had a handful of Covid cases, no deaths but is having a normal flu season.

A Sudden Change Of Heart
 https://rumble.com/vcwjvj-a-sudden-change-of-heart.html

tonyheller

Rumble — The press and Democrats have suddenly decided that lockdowns are bad, now that they believe they have installed their Manchurian candidate in the Oval Office, and no longer want to wreck the economy.

Labour operating in exactly the same way.

I thought their leader, one Keir Starmer, was demanding more, faster, harder lockdown (cf neocons after Bsuh started his ‘War Of Terror’).

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. If they open too quickly, how will they convince people to take the jab?

They may find, and we may too, that many of the people who believe in being locked up, will not believe that it is safe to come out. I hope I am wrong, seems like the Italians have rediscovered hospitality.

WMA Declaration of Geneva
The “Modern Hippocratic Oath”

Adopted by the 2 nd General Assembly of the World Medical Association, Geneva, Switzerland, September 1948 and amended by the 68 th WMA General Assembly, Chicago, United States, October 2017

The Physician’s Pledge

I WILL RESPECT the autonomy and dignity of my patient;

I WILL PRACTISE my profession with conscience and dignity and in accordance with good medical practice;

I WILL NOT USE my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat;

I MAKE THESE PROMISES solemnly, freely, and upon my honour.

Seems the medical profession has abandoned the Hippocratic oath!

Quote:

” Many people think that doctors still swear the Hippocratic Oath. It is not compulsory but in fact many medical schools now hold a ceremony where graduating doctors do swear an updated version. The British Medical Association (BMA) drafted a new Hippocratic Oath for consideration by the World Medical Association in 1997 but it was not accepted and there is still no one single modern accepted version.”

https://patient.info/doctor/ideals-and-the-hippocratic-oath

My bold.

Presumably, Josef Mengele ALSO swore the Hippocratic Oath, and look what a great humanitarian he turned out to be.

Hypocritic oath would be more appropriate

I did not read Your comment before I made mine to the same end. But it has to be obvious by now that this is so. Maybe the Cuban doctors are the only ones that abide by Hippocrates’ rules.

It doesn’t matte what oath they have sworn or not sworn, doctors are still up to their armpits in the corona swamp.

The Hippocratic oath has long been replaced by the Hypocratic oath.

Unfortunately the medical profession has en masse violated the Hippocratic oath.

I can imagine that many people will never trust a medical practitioner again. Ever.

And what about the SAGE behavioural psychologists arguably breaching their Code of Ethic by promoting fear as a tool to gain compliance.

Good morning to everyone in the tiers -from one in the zones. Only Thailand could come up with the idea of a red zone!!

Dear, highly respectable lady, pray tell us all about life in the Red Zone.
All ours are grey.

Yes, do throw a light on the subject.

I prefer a Thai red curry.

I’ll go for a Thai green curry if it gives me more freedom!

And it would make Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab much happier.

They’ve got them in Washington at the moment. Don’t know what for.

Some feedback to the BBC on a ‘more or less’ episode recently:

I listened to the podcast of ‘More or Less’ for 14 January and have a number of concerns, which I would be pleased if you could consider:

i)                You compare the first wave of COVID to the second wave in terms of deaths, and quote headline figures of peak announced COVID deaths of 1,325 on 29 December and peak by date of death 795 on 6 January. However, these figures should be ‘sense-checked’ by comparison to total deaths.

If you look at total deaths by week (source: ONS), the average week in April over the 5 years 2015-19 showed 10,344 deaths in England and Wales, or when adjusted for 2020 population and age around 11,100.The worst two weeks of April 2020 showed 22,351 and 21,997 respectively, an ‘excess’ death rate of around 11,000. The corresponding figures for December are 10,998 average weekly deaths for 2015-2019 (excluding Christmas week as the figures lose two days of reporting that week), 11,878 adjusted for age. The worst week of 2020/21 in December/ January showed 13,011 deaths compared to an average for that week of 11,548 (unadjusted) or 12,472 adjusted, an excess of 539. (Christmas week is difficult to analyse because of the disruption in reporting caused by bank holidays but would be in the order of 750, and the same the week after.)

So the difference in death rates between April and December 2020 is so significant (a factor of around 15) that it to call now a second wave is a category error.

The headline death figures, you quote, are so far removed from actual incremental death rates that they cannot be seen as indicative of anything but what they are – the number of people who died within 28 days after a positive result from a test that is notoriously unreliable (see inter alia the NYT article Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be. – The New York Times (nytimes.com) ).

Looking at the overall impact of the pandemic on 2020 death figures, the age adjusted excess death figure is around 30-35,000, which includes all the incremental deaths from lockdown as well, so could be far fewer than even this from COVID itself, and the number of younger people (under 75) represents no more than 20% of this, or 7,000 people.

ii)               On hospitalisations you compare the flu admissions rate in 2017/18 of 3500 over 28 weeks to the COVID rate this winter of 4,000 over 3 weeks. Again, is this another categorisation error due to the inadequacy of testing ? After all, overall G&A occupancy rates are well down on previous years and critical care occupancy according to the latest available figures is 4,529 for 10 January compared to the previous worst of 3,456 in 2014/15 (but adjusting for population growth in the over 65s which represent the overwhelming majority of such patients gives 3,742). So this year is 21% higher than 2014/15 – worse but hardly indicative of a pandemic. The questions we should be asking are:

1. Why do we only have around 4,500 critical care beds in a modern country of 60 million people (E&W) ?
2. Why are staff stopped from coming into work on the basis of these notoriously unreliable tests, when they are in many cases not even ill ?
3. To what extent are the criteria the same this year for putting patients into critical care ?

Again, comparing December to April, of course the hospitalisation figures are worse now as the UK notoriously sent older people back to their nursing homes to die and infect others in April – at least we are not doing that this time, but we then can’t compare the figures without taking this into account.

So if you look at total hospitalisation rates they are at worst 21% higher than previous bad years, not 10 times as high.

iii)             Finally on the cases, these figures are clearly devoid of context without a denominator, and once you take this into account they are clearly falling. The King’s College App figures are significantly more objective and not reliant on PCR testing, and demonstrate clearly that London infections have been falling since 28 December. For the government to say this is due to the lockdown is transparently incorrect.

I should be grateful if you would consider the above.

Dear Sane Person

We are unable to consider your comments, as BBC rules forbid any interaction or communication with sane persons on any subject whatsoever.

Yours faithlessly
BBC

I was very disappointed by the insipid nature of this latest More or Less programme, more a programme of accepting the official stats rather than challenging them. As you discuss above the statistic that I cannot get my head around is the deaths within 28 days of a +ve covid test figure, although it seems to be this figure that is driving the panic and hysteria. A figure that we, of course, did not have back in April.
Looking at the current NHS/Gov dashboard

1. It states UK weekly registered deaths = 3417 presumably this is the week ending 1st Jan
2. For the 7 days leading up to 1st Jan the total of deaths within 28 days of a +ve Covid test = 4770
3. So by my ropey maths that means the scary, panic deaths within 28 days figure is 39.5% higher than the actual figure of registered deaths with covid on the death certificate!

I just do not understand how the powers that be can just carry on with 2 such apparently different death totals, unless I have misunderstood something (quite possible) then we are using the very inflated 28 day death figure to drive public health policy decisions?

Both figures are massively overstated. You need to look at excess deaths which is around 500-750 per week.

Which is easily explainable as deaths caused by lockdowns. Admittedly more analysis required of split between underlying causes. Some would argue that even if respiratory illnesses are higher than normal, the fact that most people are choosing to wear a dirty piece of rag across their airways, means that more respiratory illnesses and ultimately deaths are inevitable.

i just listened on my morning walk. i had two main concerns.
They talked about cases and whilst they did mention that this was where a test had shown a positive, they gave no context about numbers of tests and the fundamental issue of whether any of these people who had a positive test was actually ill, was asymptomatic or was a false positive, and so consequentially it was meaningless.
Same issue with deaths. Again they said that it was a death within 28 days of a positive test but again did not quantify this with whether the person was actually ill with covid, or was asymptomatic or not . So again meaningless

they don’t quantify the death figure- when they show the figure on screen (BBC) it is labelled “death for any reason with a covid test within 28 days”.

Meaninglessness has become the basis and framework for almost all human endeavour – as in the attempt to escape an unreal problem causing very real problems that in turn are misinterpreted to cascade as a new world illusion that will run a while as the destruction of the old and the basis for redistribution of priority and therefore wealth and power.

Almost all of of ‘lockdownsceptics’ joins the mainstream in the chewing over of meaninglessness as if telling it it is not true will be heard and change the mindset in invested self-illusions. We can only accept truth in our own hearts – but will always find some relational exchange and synchronicity in such restored alignment because we are relational being.

Fact 1 – the method and means of the asserted discovery of Sars-Cov-2 are highly questionable and relate more to computer modelling of preselective bias than any empirically isolated and identified entity or object.

Fact 2 – no study has investigated this reconstituted ‘Platonic’ ideal of a virus as a cause of any disease.

Fact 3 – no one actually has any samples of actual Sars-Cov-2 for the purpose of such research.

Fact 4 – the PCR testing parameters developed by (the usual suspect) Dr Drostren and peer reviewed, proofed and published in under 2 days – with digital information and no actual virus sample are highly questionable and are being called for retraction by scientific peers as fraud or without foundation.

Fact 5 – The Corporate Financial sector is part and parcel of innumerable NGO ‘fronts’ and proxies of business, state and media – such as to exercise disproportionate leverages over all traditional checks and balances, such as to be able to generate the narratives by which to set regulatory structures under which to make their position safe relative to collapse of social and economic order resulting from their corruption of systems that serve to hold the conditions for life, into systems of predation upon the lives of others. This includes language and meaning. The result is meaninglessness or insanity.

Fact 5 is the context of 1-4 – and reflects the methods assigned to a parasitic hijacking ‘virus’.

The mind has the capacity to mask over and deny its own act and intention by accusing and attacking the same in others, In this way it reveals a signature to its own inner conflict. However the collective will is weighted towards externalising our own unresolved conflict and assigning blame, rather than creating the conditions for healing, undoing and correcting as a reconnection and alignment in felt presence of communication restored. It is my sense that this – as an addictive pattern – has to bottom out – for the uncovering of a true willingness for serving and supporting Life – rather than seeking or evading vengeance set in ancient patterns that can be represented as an alien will or mind set over ‘Planet Lockdown’. …
This reflection continues on:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/meaninglessness-masking-over-smoke-and.html

I dearly hope there are few sceptics that still have a TV licence. No one should complain about the [ B ]olsheviks [ B ]roadcasting [ C ]ommunism while continuing to fund their psychological warfare.

Great analysis. I’ve felt similarly annoyed and vexed this evening after reading this piece in the telegraph.

Almost a third of recovered Covid patients return to hospital in five months and one in eight die (telegraph.co.uk)

From the article:
Research by Leicester University and the Office for National Statistics (ONS) found there is a devastating long-term toll on survivors of severe coronavirus, with many people developing heart problems, diabetes and chronic liver and kidney conditions.
Out of 47,780 people who were discharged from hospital in the first wave, 29.4 per cent were readmitted to hospital within 140 days, and 12.3 per cent of the total died.
The current cut-off point for recording Covid deaths is 28 days after a positive test, so it may mean thousands more people should be included in the coronavirus death statistics.

———

Not wishing to play the man instead of the ball, let me do a little of both.

Study author Kamlesh Khunti, professor of primary care diabetes and vascular medicine at Leicester University is said on google to be not only working in research and advisory – but he’s a Director of the Centre for Black Minority Ethnic Health as well as a Director for UK National Health Research and secured some 2.1M funding to assess the risks of covid for BAME staff.

In other words, it’s not like he’s an uninterested party to spinning news which helps him secure funding. By the way, that’s not to say such research isn’t valuable, it would just feel more transparent if it was clearly articulated that there’s a stake involved for many scientists in their public announcements.

The other thing I find astonishing in the article by the Telegraph is there is not one mention of the age or any other profile of any of the nearly 30% of people who had to go back into hospital or for the 12.3% of them who subsequently died.

Without that being mentioned, it’s hard to judge the evidence that many more thousands of people should be included in the covid death statistics.

I posted something relevant to this the other day in the forums.

80% of people over the age of 75 who die each year in England go into hospital at least once in the last year of their life. In fact, a significant proportion have at least 3 emergency admissions in the last 3 months of their life. It isn’t really a surprise that those people who needed hospital treatment for covid needed additional help within 5 months or indeed that 12.3 of them out of every 100 died relatively shortly after (within 5 months).

Unless you can show a causal correlation between covid and their future health experience, it feels the most likely explanation for this data pattern is the fact that they are
approaching the end of their lives.

I hope to find the preprint of the study to see how it breaks down it’s analysis with any kind of age or comorbidities.

We know for a fact that over 1,000 people who were already in a hospice have been diagnosed as a death from covid in the official ONS figures, which seems slightly ludicrous given that they were in a hospice already.

So forgive me if I find this study and the lack of context about the headline figures potentially misleading and alarmist.

Please everyone on Twitter look at the disgraceful and unlawful tweet of Simon Hoare MP and the comments below it. At least majority are condemning it. But his comment is a hate crime against people who cannot wear masks. It is also inaccurate. To back himself up suggests the exception card is made by amazon when it is the image from the government’s own web site. The most alarming comment I saw was one that claims non masked people are being called “rat lickers” – a term used for “people who licked rats during the plague in order to spread it” (as if!) We must all lodge formal complaints and ensure Simon Hoare is made to resign. It is EXACTLY the same as him writing inflammatory comments to incite violence against someone who is gay. Do you need “proof” you are gay? Do you need a doctor to “declare” you are gay? Please everyone, let’s mount a campaign to have this man removed from public office. Mask bullying and hate crime is getting out of control.

You go down the Twittersewer, you encounter Twitter rats.I don’t know how you can bear it!

It’s awful but I have to keep up with what is going on out there as I am documenting this whole catastrophe. There is a sinister pattern growing. I have a strong sense that the lockdown pushing and mask bullying memes are originating from a source determined to destroy the country. They are being picked up and spread by virtue signallers and the brainwashed, including MPs who are desperate for popularity. Normal human beings without a specific aggressive agenda do not think up such vicious and damaging concepts on their own without a push. It’s good to see that the majority of comments are taking him down, and I think/hope the truth about masks will spread faster than any virus or viral memes.

You’re right. I salute all the brave, decent folk who fight back. I closed my Twitter account because the stuff coming from anglophobe Welsh lockdown fanatics made me feel physically sick.

thank you . the masks are the one thing i hate the most.i never ever have worn one outside and rarely go anywhere that says have to wear mask.adn do my best to get away wihtnot wearing one there too. it is sinister what has been going on you a re right, and welocme back form 2 week break!

Always have positive body language and go about your business with head held high…

Stay strong, Sam. I assure you there are some really great minds doing everything they can to bring a stop to this horrible policy… be brave and never let the mask bullies upset you.

The rat in Twitterati.

I have a strong sense that the lockdown pushing and mask bullying memes are originating from a source determined to destroy the country.

Almost. The truth however is much worse. Anybody who has paid attention to global affairs and the hands that stir them up for the last twenty years alone, knows that this is the final battle to return to the ‘master and slave’ world of old. In way too many ways truly ‘biblical’ – as those ‘masters’ hide behind the “in god we trust” mantra and are therefor nothing but a Kast of Pied Pipers, easily subdueing the broader mass of populations the globe over.
The most disturbing fact in all this is the hypnosis like belief that “they wouldn’t do that to us” – while it is done to them 24/7. Obedience has its roots in religion and therefor, where there is religion, there is the greatest obedience to the god-like corporatists’ political rulers. In comparison, indigenous populations the world over had only allegiance towards Nature – the same entity that was and still is to be defeated, subdued and exploited at will by religious man. That the hyper rich billionaires who are the string pullers of this enslavement and disenfrenchisement of the many drive only use religion as a tool should be an accepted truth by now. The Pope telling people to obey the mask mandate and to get jabbed speaks volumes about the complicity of the church in all of this.

There are three options left imho: total servitude, total anarchy, or suicide. Even though I prefer anarchy over suicide, if the majority is unable to bring to an end this christo-fascist assault on humanity, suicide it will be. I’d rather be dead than wearing a brown shirt. Or get jabbed.

All the best to You.

Yes, we may be living in the Book of Revelation.

Totally agree about the hypnotized as well. Very frustrating to deal with.

Close to my sentiments.

Common Purpose??

It’s possible that some of those people are being paid to do it.

Rat lickers is an invented phrase, medieval people did not know plague came flea infested rats.
Anyone wanting to spread it would have licked his dog.

The Black Death had nothing to do with rats. It was not the bubonic plague.

My point still stands

Eh, I thought it was? Serious question.

Somebody made this point last summer, and I was surprised too, so I looked into it.
There is a very convincing theory that the Black Death was an Ebola-like haemorrhagic fever. But also some evidence that yersinia pestis DNA has been found in victims. So as far as I can tell, it’s not settled.

OK, interesting thanks. I hadn’t heard of that – always ready for reinterpretations of history based on weight of evidence.

There can be no “weight of evidence” from the mid fourteenth century.

DNA analysis is evidence.

I know it is. But you will need to be a little more specific. What DNA evidence?

Here:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/phenomena/2011/10/12/scientists-sequence-the-full-black-death-genome-and-find-the-mother-of-all-plagues/

in teeth apparently

By the way, I am not arguing. There are many persuasive arguments in the BMJ article. But then there is the DNA evidence.
I find it all fascinating.

also, the English sweating sickness….what the heck was that? Some theories are a hantavirus, but who can say?

One thing is for sure, coronaviruses are no Black Death.

Interesting read! Thank you for sharing

There can still be evidence, and you go with where it points you. If there’s no weight of evidence how can we say it’s bubonic plague?

First time I’ve heard this hypothesis – I’m not saying I’m going with it just that I’ll keep a look out for it and weigh the evidence as it appears to me. It’s all we can do, and we are Sceptics after all …

FFS it haappened in the mid fourteenth century. This is fake news!

Another theory suggests that the plague was caused by
space debris. Why not? We live in space.

No. It was not bubonic plague. This is clear if one compares the contemporary accounts with what is known about bubonic plague. The assertion that it was bubonic plague was invented at the turn of the nineteenth/twentieth century and has been repeated as fact for a hundred years. Here is a brief explanation: https://pmj.bmj.com/content/81/955/315

Yes it was.

Ok thanks, just read the abstract and will look at more fully later. I’ve long wondered why so many people survived the ‘Black Death’ – say 60-70% in England. This suggests some prior immunity. I don’t know if this is more common with viral rather than bacterial diseases.

IT WAS. Serious answer.

I have read some very interesting stuff that challenges the bubonic plague idea. Time Team (I think) did a fair and reasonable programme on it that comes up quite frequently on Freeview,

Yes, and Tony Robinson of Time Team and Blackadder fame also believes that Edward IV was illegitimate.

In many respects, all monarchs were illegitimate.

Don’t talk crap. Yes it was!

I suggest you might like to exercise some scepticism and read the reference I provided a link to, or for a more detailed account see Susan Scott and Christopher Duncan (2004) Return of the Black Death , which provides a comprehensive refutation of the claim that the Black Death was bubonic plague.

Indeed. No-one can possibly know for certain at this historical remove. The exact nature of so-called Spanish ‘Flu, a mere 100 years ago, is still the subject of debate.

The Black Death could not have been bubonic plague. The evidence is overwhelming.

You’ve obviously made a considerable emotional investment in your hypothesis. I’m put in mind of what Thackeray said about Macaulay.

A lot of the plague and Spanish flu narratives which appeared on Facebook at the start of the scamdemic were fake and were shown to be but still got shared as if they were true – what this shows is that this was very carefully planned with all the disinformation and propaganda in place ready to circulate to the masses to mind-fuck us – and it’s worked so well that a lot of otherwise smart people are unpersuadable that the government is not acting in our best interests- even the current level of censorship of news of dissent in other countries doesn’t bother them .. it feels too late to help the unpersuadable

The best example has to be WikiFake. The efforts of the hyper rich psychopaths is to cut the strings to the past. Wasn’t it Marcus Garvey who said that “A people without knowledge of their past – is like a tree without roots.”?
What is going on is a depopulation program and it has been planned to the minute details. That Nature always has the last word – because homo sapiens is anything but the master of the universe – should go without further discussion.
How long until people will be able to follow H.G. Robinson’s final walk into a euthanasia center to be converted into Soylent Green?

I would rather have a 4 legged rat than the 2 legged one like him and the rest of the collaborators and sheep.

Plus, the four legged rat is smarter and does not denounce you like the two legged cretinous version. Actually, to call these decrepit people a rat, is an insult to all rats – not only because I am a metal rat…

hate crime

Its a slippery slope when you start playing that game.

Can you explain? Do you disagree that mask bullying can be construed as hate crime against a person with a protected characteristic? Even if the bullying is aimed at a person not wearing a mask on some other grounds, it implicitly impacts people who do not wear masks on grounds of a disability that is a protected characteristic.

I disagree with any concept of hate speech or crime, some ones motive is irrelevant, if they’ve committed a real crime. Hate speech is another man’s free speech!

Unless some one incites violence against mask refuseniks, then they have a right to say whatever they like regardless of how intolerable we find it. That’s the cost of free speech!

I disagree with any concept, of “protected characteristics ” its not democracy if some people have greater rights than others.

So no one should be mask exempt?

No one should be forced to wear a mask, but even if my opinion were the opposite, i should have the right to express my opinion.

Of course. We should all have the right to free speech. I know this government doesnt think so but then they are globalist puppets who do not respect our Human or Civil Rights and for some peculiar reason think we are their serfs!

Well explained. Thank you!

We may have found the first thing we agree on.

I am also very wary of the ‘hate speech’ laws. Nevertheless, in this case CivNotCov has my full support, and I think we should all be supporting those who are fighting on Twitter — this must be extremely exhausting, but it is vital.

Since Hate Speech laws exist, then let’s use them. Also in this case, simple laws against incitement to violence may be sufficient anyway.

Crucially, the virtue signallers must be told loud and clear that they are the ones who are hateful. I reckon deep down they know they are.

So, great work, CivNotCov.

I think you may have imbibed the ‘hate crime’ rhetoric and normalised it uncritically, CNC. It is the language of the activist SJW infesting our institutions.

So no one should be mask exempt?

I’m not happy with the way the Equalities Act has been used and fear that it is going to be used to shut down discussion on a wide variety of cultural issues . That being said, I think it should be weaponised to the advantage of anti-maskers.

Voicing your objection to an act of Parliament is totally acceptable. Holding a political view is acceptable. But, at this moment in time, the LAW does state that it is a crime to discriminate against anyone upon certain grounds. Or to incite people to do so. This MP’s language is clearly abusive and incites hatred towards groups of people (for example those suffering anxiety, claustrophobia, PTSD) on the grounds of their particular condition or situation. I think he should resign for this.

You may hate the law, that doesn’t mean hate should be against the law.

If you brake the law you’re classed a criminal, fair enough. You’re trying to conflate illegal with non crime hate speech.

Its a faux pas.

i think everyone should be mask exempt . i despise the masks and masks rule more than anyhting else. and enforced vaccine no way will i get a vaccine and the vaccine passport we must stop it

If you read the guidelines, everyone IS mask exempt. They just need to choose to be.

I’m not shutting you both down, here, btw. I’m listening. I want to learn. But do you then disagree with the Equalities Act? Are you arguing that people exempt themselves purely on basic human rights grounds (“you cannot make me do something that causes me harm”)?

I abhor bullying & harassment, i judge people by their character & actions. But you can’t prevent discrimination & prejudice with legislation, these are part of primitive human nature. To our ancestors it was the difference between life & death.

Controversially there are evolutionary & ecological explanations for inequality, i’m not saying we should remain cave men, technology has helped overcome physical constraints of the sexes.

But equality is a myth, people aren’t equally empathetic, equally greedy, equally driven to succeed, equally charitable etc. Whilst as a society we should support & protect the weakest, Socialism is only sustainable with authoritarianism! Authoritarianism always slides into totalitarian tyyranny. Dictatorship by the privileged minority at the expense of the repressed majority.

“But you can’t prevent discrimination & prejudice with legislation”

You can’t prevent murder, robbery, etc with legislation. That is not the purpose of the legislation. It is to provide some degree of remedy for the injustice done by the defendent.

The government’s intransigence is causing many of us harm.

Mask wearing can be exempted if you feel ‘severe distress’. Anyone knowing the science must feel distressed and you decide, not a doctor or expert. And the government website says you don’t need a card or disclaimer. Anyone asks you and tell them they are committing the crime of harassment if they do it a second time. If they persist, video them.

Appropriate (sounding) surname though, yes?
Hoare by name.
Whore by nature.

Is he descended from the Hoare bankers ?

I’ve just fired off an email letting him know what I think of him.

Where do you think it would be most effective to direct our complaints?

Twitter?

The Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards?

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-financial-interests/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/complaints-and-investigations/

The Conservative Party?

The police?

(or all of them?)

i cant understand twitter. tried to find the comments that are condemming it but couldn’t . is ok is time waster – twitter

I sent him the Dr Ted Noel video exhaling billowing vape through a mask

Thin ice Boris?

Saturday afternoon Otley town.

We had a tremendous snowfall on Thursday and freezing temperatures on Friday which turned the snow to thick ice. I didn’t get my usual daily walk until Saturday and the pathways were still ‘dodgy’ with melting ice and slush. I was amazed at the number of people who were out and about in and around town. Hundreds of them. Singles, couples, families, dogs. Some had walking poles, many had big boots and thick jackets and scarves. It’s a long time since I’ve seen as many folk buzzing around. Has the lock down been lifted? Did I miss something? Here’s my observations from a one hour walk.

*Busy traffic.
*Lots of laughing and chit chat.
* No Covid dancing.
*only saw FOUR masked people which as a percentage doesn’t register.
*Greggs doing a good trade with three unmasked people in when I passed.
*Corner chippy open and two unmasked folk inside getting their chips.
*In keeping with my experience of the last year, NO policemen in sight. I read all sorts of horror stories about aggressive police brutality but in my town they’ve all gone AWOL.
* Called in at my favourite bakers (Teales) mask less of course and was served by a friendly unmasked assistant.

Walked over the ‘white bridge’ (which is a footbridge) with only one ice free strip to one side. People were walking on this narrow strip and holding on to the bridge rail for safety. The dilemma here was either to walk on the ice free strip and thereby maintain your footing or veer off to the other side to maintain social distancing and risk slipping on the ice. Risk breaking a leg or risk getting Coroni? No contest! I’m pleased to say that everyone I met decided that whilst they were negotiating the bridge Coroni had disappeared!

As I was returning home I saw a lady on her own approaching me from the opposite direction. We both smiled as we approached one another. ‘Lovely day for a walk’ I said and this initiated a pleasant chat centred on feeding the birds in the cold weather. She told me that she had seen a Bullfinch in her garden that morning and I mentioned the long tailed tits and the nuthatch that were coming into my garden due to my array of nut and seed feeders. ‘Yes’, she said ‘the natural world just goes on about its business whilst governments and people go mad’. I agreed most heartedly and made a mental note that I had just encountered a ‘sceptic’.

If Boris is trying to scare the beejeezers out of folk then he is most assuredly failing in my home town. In fact, it seems that the harder and more extreme his doom and gloom pronouncements become the more people are ignoring them.

You must try harder Boris. Like many a person walking on thin ice….if you’re not careful you’ll be falling through!

Wonderful report though the people out and about would be self selecting Covid doubters while lockdown zealots will be hiding behind the curtains, except for one M Hancock.

True of course but Harry does seem to have encountered a fair number of them which is a very pleasing sign.

Good, let them hide if it makes them happy.

Of course the Covid thickos are still shielding, but that’s not the point. It is great that so many people are ignoring the endless nonsense that pours out of Johnson and his corrupt government.

Three cheers for Otley!

Sturgeonia would benefit from an Otley lesson!

As would the People’s Republic of North West Essex. I wish this outbreak of common sense would drift further south!

Yes I dont see much sign of that in shropshire….still mainly masked zombies outside there. I went in a bakers which allows two in but the masked young woman waiting outside would not come into the shop as I was unmasked. Still swervers outside too.

When I was one and twenty I heard a wise man say …

I wish such an outbreak of common sense would happen in Newmarket also, still far too many zombie maskers and swervers here.

What a wonderful complement your post was to my morning coffee. Glad to see that there are pockets of resistance springing up everywhere!

Great report. Shows that the cracks are getting wider and the more this spreads, the more the government’s days are numbered.

Excellent news. This gives me hope people are waking up.

You have brightened my day. Thank you.

I would so love this to be true but have started doubting all posts that when I like them jump by 9 points – I’ve noticed this happens a lot on this site and I’ve taken to only trusting the comments that jump by 1 – the problem is what is there to doubt in your post except that you seem to be advocating something which will probably be banned soon – talking to people on the street

I don’t really understand your reply Jos.

Edward Curtin has recently written a piece for ‘Off Guardian’ which he prefaced with the words:

‘We now live in a screen world where written words and logic are beside the point. Facts don’t matter. Personal physical experience doesn’t matter. Clear thinking doesn’t matter. Hysterical reactions are what matter. Manipulated emotions are what matter’.

From my point of view my post was based on my ‘Personal physical experience’ which to me is what counts. Make of it what you will.

I don’t have any objections to your post – I just don’t get why the system of upticks on this site are heavily weighted in favour of certain posts (x10 in some cases) – just check if you don’t believe me and if anyone else has noticed this and has an explanation for it I’d love to know.

jos- they jump because when you place your vote or up/down tick it refreshes the page resulting in the new total of all ticks since you last refreshed. Nothing sinister or any manipulation.

But it refreshes every time I press any of them and some are just 1 – why wouldn’t it refresh each time?

I think that an individual’s display of the like/unlike scores is only updated when he/she goes to register a vote. Pretty sure it is simply a postponed update.

I think that the post counter needs more RAM.

Sadly the High Peak escaped both Otley’s snow and its outbreak of sanity…
Swerving and cringing away can still be encountered here as we found yesterday.
The snow can melt away within hours or days but some of these people will stay terrified forever.
AG

He is conferring with Merkel on a daily basis. The more it becomes clear that lockdowns only work to worsen the overall situation – the more drastic, draconian and prolongued the lockdowns will be. It is fascism by any other name.

Which town M8? I was watching long-tailed tits myself in a tree with a treecreeper on the trunk. Ilkley.

Sorry M8,missed the Otley at the beginning – both on the River Wharfe. Meinen Gottellgriever.

Hi Bungle…We’ve now got Otters in the Wharfe just outside of town. Passed by a decent crowd a week or so ago all staring and oohing and aahhing and they were otter watching. Never seen them myself but with my daily walks it’s only a matter of time, We’ve also got salmon and sea trout running the river even to the extent where we have two specially constructed fish passes where they can negotiate the weir.
Even in Lock down hell there’s always something to brighten the spirits

Pretty similar story further down the Wharfe here in Wetherby, must be something in the water. Everyone is walking around with takeaway coffee, drinking it by the river, in the town square etc. It’s the only entertainment to be honest but people are giving it a go.

Great oop north. Lewes is like the Marie Celeste. They’re all hiding below decks reading their Guardians. Or Observers.

WTG Otley!!

The people of Otley do seem to like getting out and about. I remember when the Tour de France started in Yorkshire a few years ago and the crowds in the town were absolutely heaving when the cyclists came – I doubt many (apart from my dad who dragged us along to the event!) were particular cycling fans!

I was one of them and I’m not a cycling fan!

Boris should go for a skate on the Thames.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/mind/confessions-psychologist-having-turn-away-grieving-teenagers/

Despite being retired, this is what I’ve found to be one of the most distressing consequences of the madness foisted on us by affluent, securely placed movers and shakers: the sheer wanton devastation wreaked on the lives of the young, who bear one of the heaviest burdens.

Many youngsters were already facing significant challenges before lockdowns materialised: mickey mouse degree courses, lack of decent secure employment opportunities, student loans, social media distortions and propaganda, porn creep resulting in normalisation of violent and coercive sexual demands, lack of apprenticeships lack of affordable housing.

I get really upset about this, as I watch future generations’ hopes and prospects sacrificed on the altar of the Safety Cult.

When I was young, somewhere back in the Neolithic, young people were expected to be headstrong, rebellious and insubordinate. I was considered weird at university because I preferred peaceful study to going on demos.

Times have changed.

I disagree I actually think the opposite is true, since the 50s young people have lost respect for the experience of its older generation.

Part of the problem is because youth has been over indulged with privilege & wealth & perhaps to much freedom to dismiss or over rule traditional cultural values.

Not sure I agree actually. I don’t think young people have lost any respect for the older generation. What I think they are fighting against is what I call the demonisation of youth and young people. Headlines in the MSM have referred to them as ‘scum’, ‘yobs’ and other such attributions. The education system has you labelled very early on. If a Teacher doesn’t like you, that’s it. You will never, whatever you do that is good or any achievements gained, you will never escape the label education has given you (Jimmy Boyle has written quite lucidly about this). There are many parents out there that are actually quite contemptuous of their children, many children are subjected to what I would call emotional abuse in that everything they do is wrong. Just look around you every day I see parent’s really shouting at their children in the street (even when they aren’t doing anything at all), in supermarkets and out and about. It’s not just once a day or once a week, it is a bigger problem than you think if you look around you.

I think our young people are actually more moral and more sensible than some of their adult counterparts. They are being slowly demonised and now this assault on their education has shown how little regard our society has for them. They are expendable yobs as far as the MSM are concerned. They are not valued as members of society (I appreciate of course there are many many brilliant parents here and out there that truly value their children).

I can tell you from a long career in working with children and families that the level of emotional abuse, neglect, physical abuse is getting worse every year and it is the children and young people that bear the worst of the consequences. People would be shocked at how children and young people are treated and it is a big problem, not a small one. For me, emotional abuse is devastating and leaves the longest lasting scars because it gets deep into the psyche.

You’re comparing the last 70 years with historical cultures, its like comparing apples & oranges.

You sound perhaps a little bias but I suspect there is something in what you say about the present.

My point being as you’ve highlighted there’s a growing division between generations there’s prejudices on both sides. Pre 1900s the younger generation accepted they had to earn respect of their elders & willingly gave respect to the experience of their elders, age was actually a hierarchy & youth had to go through a right of passage.

It’s a different world today young peoples expectations are higher in many respects things are to easily obtained with little effort. That’s not to say life is better now, modern living comes with a lot of stress & anxiety. Historically people didn’t have the luxury of worrying about their identity.

Online abuse of the young is becoming even more prevalent and not coincidental in what is going on imo

I see a lot of scepticism in the young, and they will challenge the globalist reset bollox in innovative and outside the box ideas.. remember the 60’s?

They UK young didn’t have tv in the 60s. No squealy infanticising series like “Friends”. They hung about outside and talked to each other.

That isn’t a new thing. I grew up with all sorts of emotional abuse and I’m over 50, and my husband was neglected and beaten frequently

I had it easy, the previous generation of teenagers had done my revolting for me and I was able to wallow in the privilege of youth with ease.

Eric Hobsbawm wrote (“Age of Extremes: The Short Twentieth Century”) that the generation gap between the children of the 1960s and their parents had little if any historical parallel, or words to that effect. In his view, obvs.

Mental health experts in general have really shocked me in their silence on this issue. To a certain extent, it should be no surprise that loons like Ferguson push their agenda of total lockdown and dreams of 0% infections, because that is their myopic obsession.
But why have psychiatrists and others in that field said nothing about their speciality, and deferred to the “science” instead of fighting their corner? Today I see that a TV shrink who has been doing just that, alone, has now been fired for daring to speak up. Where are the rest? Shameful.

Quite agree; a virtual omerta now seems to protect covid/ lockdown orthodoxy.

Modern omerta = PC

Yes; it’s significant that as the Woke-left- complex insists on the demolition of all hitherto commonly accepted social, biological, national and rational norms, they simultaneously erect increasingly draconian, bewildering and frankly sinister linguistic barriers.

So, open borders, biological fact little more than an oppressive social construct, demolition of neighbourhoods, livelihoods and street architecture all sanctioned if done in the name of whichever cause happens to be at SJW poll position, accompanied by impromptu cancellation of standard vernacular usage and persecution of dissenting voices by means of cancellation, pile ons and no platforming.

Now the shrill demands for the indefinite continuation of stringent and crushing lockdown measures, bullying of lockdown protesters and the implicit and complicit support of the MSM, means that we are being manipulated by a thoroughly dystopian orthodoxy; a greedy cult .

The pro active destruction elements all stem from the Frankfurt School which thinking has been in place since the 1930s.
Founded in Frankfurt but fled to the USA because Hitler wasn’t too keen.

I’ve read a few articles about them recently; it’s ironic that they fled Hitler’s persecution only to propound a form of creative destruction which has now found a way to flourish.

Are they satanists? It’s strange that the company Rishi Sunak owns is called Theleme

Sounds like the Satanic occult philosophy Thelema

I read recently that the founder of Websters Dictionary warned of the danger that the US constitution would not be destroyed by violence (openly) but rather dismantled linguistically, gradually.

Certainly redefinitions of terms are playing a crucial role everywhere now (racism, pandemic, herd immunity, and many more)

You’re right but why? I can’t understand what would motivate a billionaire to destroy all joy in the world for more money – they don’t need more as they could barely spend in one lifetime what they already have.. something that lockdown has taught me is that apart from paying bills all I need is food and freedom. I don’t care if I never shop for anything ever again, even if I never get to travel abroad again.. I just want to be able to go out and see a world in which freedom has replaced fear and people smiling, laughing, hugging each other – not much to ask, is it?

Because it’s not about money, it’s about resources. Money will soon be extinct. A new value system is on its way (once they’ve successfully wrecked the current one).

Apparently it is.

The SJW-Woke have rewritten Mao’s Little Red Book.

I think its because almost all the mental health and counselling ‘industry’ has been taken over by the woke PC brigade who have all revelled in lockdown for various reasons. I am afraid ideology trumps any alleged concern for the victims. My partner is a counsellor with 30 years experience but operates independently of the ‘industry’ for that reason. She thinks they are all shockingly compromised.

Just look at what has happened at the Tavistock. Tells you all you need to know.

What about the Tavistock?

I think that is the point. They are silent because they are afraid of being fired. The (self-)censorship is the problem.

Personally, I reckon we (Western Europe now) are possibly in a worse state than, say, Czechoslovakia in 1980s. Very few people were actually in prison (Havel and a handful of others, sporadically). It was quite sufficient that people were afraid of losing their jobs/privileges. The advantage of 1980s CzS was that hardly anyone actually believed the state propaganda. Whereas now…

I’m afraid it is & always has been a class war, lockdowns are for the protection of entitled liberal middle class, whilst invariably the essential workers keeping the country from sinking take all the risks, these will be the people hardest by lockdown consequences .

Its the same with the scandalous housing crisis in the UK privileged liberal middle class with 2nd & 3rd homes lobby government to protect the property marketing leaving the majority working class living in unaffordable concrete rabbit hutches (If they’re lucky).

The story is the same in every part of modern life, entitled middle class driving the political narrative to protect their privileges. Identity politics & deviant social conduct are both a distraction from real life issues & a covert attack on traditional conservative values notably Christian values & nuclear family.

I’m neither religious, conservative or have children but still respect & value our countries cultural traditions.

Exactly; I’m the same: childless, atheist but increasingly concerned at the way our traditions, and wisdom, restraint, decency and rationality have been abandoned.

You allude to so much of the sickness of today’s UK, and wider Western society. And this has been a quarter of a century or more in the brewing. The middle class and liberal elites have got wealthier and wealthier (and stupider and stupider), whilst vast swathes of society have been left behind.

I posted yesterday about how every so often societies have to re-invent themselves, cast off the old putrid worn-out practices, and move on. But such transitions are almost never painless – witness civil wars or, on a smaller scale, the UK in the late 70s/early 80s.

Maybe we’re going through such a transition now and things will come out better in the end, and this is a sort of crucifixion and rebirth – like the American Civil War or the English Civil Wars. Or maybe as a society we’re going under – although if it is I’m not going down with it.

I’m what you might call middle class (only have one home though), and am a natural and instinctive conservative – but what I’ve seen over the last years of the ‘entitled liberal middle class’ enriching themselves at the expense of the working classes (for want of a better expression) makes me sick. One way or another, it has to stop.

Don’t take me wrong, Colonialist Christian Conservatives have historical wrongs to answer for, some issues raised by today’s post modernist liberal left are valid lessons we should learn from! I disagree with their methods addressing them.

Obviously not all middle class liberals are nihilistic hypocrites! I consider myself a classic liberal, liberty at the core of my principles.

But when having a debate you unfortunately are required to use blanket terms to describe where things are going wrong, in general terms it is the inequity of wealth & privileged influence (who you know, not what you know) of the middle class, that drives the political narrative.

Where did the chorus of outrage come when G. Brown tried to abolish the 50p income tax rate ( to the detriment of the lowest paid) ?

Middle England.

I think I may have been a Whig in a bygone life and have always believed that Liberty is the breathe of life.

I’m politically homeless now – well not exactly: I now believe in the destruction of the Conservative Party. Britain needs an actual conservative party, and the only way to achieve that is to get rid of the current imposters. I say that as a former Conservative voter.

Our society has been going very wrong for a long time now, and the required re-balance – necessitating as it does the confrontation with and dismantling of embedded self-interest – isn’t going to be painless.

A sort of Great Reset, but not how the current perpetrators envisage it.

I’m with you on this, I have no real political allegiance to any party. The Tories are all just neo-liberal globalists, labour neo-liberal left globalists, the Lib Dems, illiberal anti-democrats, SNP, pure evil etc etc.

We’re headed for a reimagined capitalist communist tyranny a.k.a. China.

We aren’t going to let that happen. Don’t give up the fight.

Had to ask Mrs TJN what that meant, but it seems good … Ta.

It looks soviet related LOL

I heard rumours of a battle behind the scenes of a “war for the soul of the Great Reset”. That there were two groups battling it out for the same sort of reset, but one would be libertarian, the other would be dictatorial.

If true, I really hope the right one wins.

Not me. I hope that they both fall on their faces. I don’t to be reset by anyone, no matter what their politics.

Propose a new Great Reset. Good idea. The complete opposite of Schwab’s.

Well said. It’s the cosy middle classes who are benefiting from all of this – pampered and cosseted all while being served by an army of low paid workers who are keeping the engines stoked.

They think they’re saving lives and doing good but in reality perpetuating this evil and actually are the government’s most vocal enforcers.

They’re OK for now but they shouldn’t get too complacent as the day of reckoning will also come for them.

I suggest they read up on what happened to their counterparts in France after WW2 and Germany after reunification. Not to mention a basics economics textbook.

Hint: it won’t end well for them.

I know a road which is a kind of mini Hampstead stuffed with the woke liberal middle classes. They have posters in their windows saying things like ‘staying home for Britain’ and ‘you should be at home not reading this poster’. Since when has being a lazy bastard sat on your arse been something to get all smug and self satisfied about? Of course they are quite happy for the lower orders to work in food processing and delivery to keep them going. I wonder how long they would support lockdown if it actually applied to everyone including their food suppliers.

It’s the smugness and entitlement which I cannot abide.

It’s that sense of entitlement that gives them the erroneous belief they hold the moral high ground are always right, It’s what facilitates things like pandemic lockdowns.

Their entitled attitude is why stuff like trump & brexit happen. Who would vote for a narcasist like trump who really only puts trump first or brexiters who really are only interested in enriching themselves, otherwise.

I’ve encountered neighbourhoods like that during my daily exercise. The “Staying Home for Britain” poster wants to make me puke.

As Mr Bart has suggested, perhaps those who are so keen on lockdowns would be happy to be either taxed twice or 100% to support those who have been impacted financially, medically and psychologically by what they call for.

After all we’re all in this together right?

Over 18 s to be vaccinated by end of June says the Gates owned Sunday Telegraph today. They really really really want us all to take this vaccine!

Well, I won’t be taking it.

Neither are 40% of LA Fire fighters apparently.

They of all people will know about risk assessment.

Hi there! Are you actually a teacher? Could you give us some info about what has been happening?

If we can extrapolate from what is happening in Norway, the recipients (at least those in the most vulnerable category) of the vaccine have a one in a thousand chance of dying. One would have thought this would have given the authorities pause for thought and suggested to them that it might be better to observe standard practices for the testing of vaccines and health products so as to ensure safety.

You are not allowed to extrapolate – only SAGE can do it for their modelling. Exterminate!

They must be an unhealthy lot those Norwegians, none of our 2 million vaccinees have died yet, apparently.

Well our lot would say that, wouldn’t they?

Yes. There is no way I am taking it

Totally anecdotal.

Close friend of friend, late sixties, healthy.

Had the vaccine. Five days later, he died.

Just a unfortunate coincidence, we know they’ll be told.

It’s just three weeks to flatten the curve….

“Now you are going to need either your lab results or vaccination data to get on an airplane, to go to school, go to work, real life, non-health-care use cases,” Meyer said. “And it needs to be in a standard form so when you’re presenting it, people actually understand, ‘Oh, it was the Pfizer vaccine that you got.’”

Not saying this guy will have his way but how the fuck did we get here?

By being weak as shit.

Socialism, it’ll end up as pesudo-communism, like China’s capitalist corporate mafia regime.

Chinese Mafia.

The vaccine passport movement is going to tie itself into knots. Are all vaccines equal. What are the powers that be going to do with people using the Russian/Indian/GodKnowsWhat vaccine if it’s not registered in your country?

Are they going to say: so sorry, only Pfizer, Morderna, Astra vaccines allowed? Are people with a history of severe allergic reactions to vaccines going to be banned from travel? Third world countries flight bans as they can’t afford to vaccinate their populations?

These vaccine passport pushers have their work cut out for them.

Any vaccinne will be accepted. Those with severe allergies won’t be exempt. As we have seen they couldn’t care less about exemptions for masks on planes. I think the third world will be able to vaccinate as the banks will lend them the money. Those that can’t get vaxxed tough luck. These creeps aren’t doing this for humanitarian reasons.

“These creeps aren’t doing this for humanitarian reasons.”

Indeed, it’s just the opposite.

I think part of the plan is to get The West to pay for vaccinating the Third World which will be a massive transfer of wealth not to them but to Bill and Melinda.

That’s only part of the plan. Gates was brought as a eugenicist and is a self confessed depopulator. This is his once in a lifetime engineered opportunity.

Engineer Bill.

They don’t need the money.

By ignoring the clear indications that this was the destination all along.

Question: What are the Vaccine makers stating about the length of time their products give protection against symptoms? Is it 5 months or 8 months? I want to know how often they recommend boosters. It’s being pushed as a silver bullet /one off jab.

Nothing. Because they can’t possibly know.

One angle I never see discussed, is the potential for the vaccine to be less than effective at stopping transmission. The astra jab is only 60% effective, apparently. So will those who have had the astra jab be second class citizens in the new vaccination order, with their jab not being acceptable?

Where is the data for 60%? Everything I have read says vaccines have not yet been shown to stop transmission.

Exactly. How on earth are they actualy measuring this?

This has been discussed at length and there is no evidence as yet that they will have any effect on transmission or that they will save lives, though there are strong indications that the vaccines will actually cost lives, or to be rather more blunt they will kill people. Take no notice of the claimed effectiveness, that is simply statistical sleight of hand.

Give them a few more years.

Yeah so what’s the point. There is a lot of information out there advising this is a human experiment and they don’t know what the long term side affects are.

The point is lots of money for Big Pharma. Plus the mRNA delivery mechanism is a dry run for its use on all medicine. These medicines can then be described as ‘personalised’ and hence untestable. That will allow them to skip the expensive Phase II and III testing. Even without formal legal immunity, there will be no possibility of class actions against them, only individual actions, which can easily be ignored (effectively).

Don’t they just? All that vaccine passport talk is definitely worrying. It’s a case of “Over my dead body” would I ever take that vaccine – and I mean that quite literally (just checked my supplies this morning – to ensure I’m clear where I have two portable barbecues to use indoors if need be and got a decent carbon monoxide detector for checking purposes of ppm level).

You’re planning to roast yourself on a barbecue? Why? And at that point, why care about carbon monoxide?

Posting again, for those who have not seen it yet. Petition against ‘vaccine’ discrimination.

https://stopmedicaldiscrimination.org/home

Eliza,

Please don’t do that. I will be resisting until the last moment too, but even if the ‘Vaccine’ is eventually forced on us, we can still keep fighting to get rid of it.

I think there will be enough resistance to make it impossible to enforce it. But it is going to be a struggle.

If the vaccine is forced unto us, there will be no point fighting to get rid of it. The deed will have been done.

Yes that is the way it will be. Most people seem blissfully unaware that the Covid event, as a whole and the vaccines in particular, is about genocide.

Nope. Why should I for something with a 99.98% survival rate?

Exactly. I wonder why they are so desperate for everyone to have it???

hmmmm i wonder that too – they seem to have lost the plot and sense of perspective on all this. By all means vaxx the elderly/vulnerable and allow the rest to carry on. But i fear more sinister undertones.

Because the vaccines are very likely intentionally harmful. The Covid event has been engineered to bring about a massive reduction of global population and this will be achieved through vaccination.

Money; the huge, never-ending profits from vaccinations. Risk-free for all involved except those vaccinated.

It’s much worse than that. It’s about depopulation through vaccination.

They can get f_____ !

My thoughts exactly

Excellent. The more people that take this vaccine, the less likely it is that they will attempt to force me to have it.

The vaccinated will begin to die off as the months go by, so it would become clear that the unvaccinated have not been affected similarly affected. On this basis you can be very sure, that they will do everything that is possible to jab everyone of us with their poison. Accordingly I would not exclude the bastards making vaccination compulsory.

Tell the Telegraph to buzz off.

The US State Department factsheet would be more accurately labelled as a speculation sheet. The production of this making stuff up and pretending it is serious factual material of substantial foreign and domestic policy importance as the current president is about to leave office is not unprecedented. In fact, it is precisely what the previous president did in order to cause his successor serious problems, hamper his foreign policy, and undermine his legitimacy. That was of course the infamous 6 January 2017 intelligence report that pretended that Russia had stolen the election. It was amateurish and absurd, but nonetheless effective for that. https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf The State Department factsheet looks like nothing so much as a copy of the Obama administration’s closing play, which was so effective. Whilst I doubt the State Department factsheet will have anything like the same damaging impact, it cannot but harm relations with China, which is in no one’s interests.

Not made up this is the CCP Virus and the US authorities have obtained lot’s of information from China to strongly suggest what happened. Biden will take the China coin as he always had whatever.

If they were planning to drop a bombshell by releasing that information, they’ve failed. The document they’ve released is remarkably weak – barely even speculative. “ Today’s revelations just scratch the surface of what is still hidden about COVID-19’s origin in China.” Scratch the surface of what is still hidden? Seriously? What’s the point?

There is an easy explanation for the rather bland speculation sheet.US is part of the problem.Everything points to a lab leak from an incompetent lab doing US sponsored research outsourced from the US military backed corona virus research. Most of the US scientists involved in the UN investigation are themselves involved in this highly unethical work on coronaviruses.They have investigated bat corona viruses more akin to a person looking at a gas leak with a lightened match.
China and US are both responsible for this.MSM will do everything to stop this but an avalanche of infornation is finally slipping trough.

Exactly. Uncle Sam subsidises the Wuhan lab (and who knows what else?) I remain to be convinced that the U.S. Deep State isn’t in some way complicit in this business.

Both the Russians and Chinese suspected that might be a possibility. They have discounted it in this case, but have embarked on a programme of building large isolation hospitals ‘just in case’.

Here is a map of countries hosting one or more DTRA labs.

http://www.jar2.com/Files/Ukraine/1-3_small.jpg

There are now 11 individual labs in Ukraine alone.

http://www.jar2.com/Files/Ukraine/Biological_Warfare/1-19-768×513.png

It is suprisingly common for new outbreaks of disease to occur in close proximity to the labs, especially in Africa.

The US has been collecting ‘Chinese’ and ‘Russian’ DNA for some time now. Is the mass testing for covid cover for another DNA grab?

Outbreaks of respiratory infections seem fairly common in the Fort Detrick area.

News items in the Stourbridge news: Local police chief who looked all of 35 warned people if they attended an anti lockdown protest in Birmingham that, they “could be arrested” and on another page: “Can you sack an anti vaxer”.
Land of hope and glory, eh?

Unless there has been a big change with the latest Coronavirus regs, these regs give little by way of powers or arrest. With many of the previous demos people have been temporarily arrested to enable their details to be taken they are then un-arrested and released. If you are issued with a Fixed Penalty Notice, you can send it back and demand a court case at which point it mostly disappears into the CPS black hole.
The Police are acting as if these Coronavirus regs give them sweeping powers when they do not really do this, I suspect that one reason we are seeing so many of these Fixed Penalty Notices not coming to court if they are rejected is that if they came to court and then failed to make a prosecution the Police could be warned to back off, as it is they can scare people with FPNs like a Mafia protection racket.

nothing to do with the police accidentally deleting all those records the other day then

Yes; such IT incompetence couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch!

It is most certainly a lie. It is impossible that such records are not routinely backed up. There should be a criminal investigation done by the … sorry forget it.

Meh, I got arrested on 28th November, plod has done nothing since. Bring it on.

Good for you, I have been arrested 4 or 5 times over the years, it is no great deal especially when innocent on all occasions.
Co-operate with the duty sergeant but nobody else until you see the duty Solicitor.

Did he say they would be arrested if they attended a BLM protest by any chance?

Claims relating to ill effects of the virus on children appear to have originated, in the main, from members of public sector trade unions.

Until health and education are removed from the stifling effects of public sector bureaucracy, incompetent public sector management, ownership, this country will continue, ever more impoverished, sclerotic, unfree, paranoid and illiberal, on down this erratic and embarrassing path; a socialist democratic state pontificating mawkish special pleading polemics through the state broadcaster to an increasingly uninterested world.

Most modern British state institutions are now unfit for purpose. Add that to the increasingly woke corporations and it all amounts to a wonderful country to live in!

Blackpool Gazette: Blackpool business group’s delight over Supreme Court insurance win.
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/business/blackpool-business-groups-delight-over-supreme-court-insurance-win-3102371

The Spectator: Francois Balloux: ‘Proper investigation’ into Covid’s origins is needed | SpectatorTV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv9Xbm9MVt0

A straw man, covid didn’t cause this shit show, politicians did.

We need a free, fair, independent, impartial, objective, public inquiry, but I wont hold my breath in hope, hope is just delayed disappointment.

Agreed, whether Covid is accidental, deliberate or natural is largely beside the point.
It is the reaction to it that is the problem.

It has always been purely political, first to bash China for its mishandling of the outbreak whilst it was largely in China, then as excuse for long planned political action (Dark Winter, etc) once it appeared in the west. The western politicals (the real ones not the selected puppets elected in ‘free and fair’ elections) have been trying for several years (zika, 2009 flu, etc) but the outbreaks failed to gain traction.

Definitely and the sooner the better

Minutes from NERVTAG, the group that provides ‘the science’ for SAGE (and home to the Mad Modeller) indicate they are expecting a public enquiry so suitable ‘guidance’ documentation has been provided to members. The Public Inquiry will be of very limited and precisely targetted remit, led by a ‘Safe Pair of Hands’.

Executive summary preview:

Mistakes were made. Lessons have been learned. It is time to move on.

You read it here first.

I will never live in Britain again.

If I could walk into an office and obtain a passport from any one of about 80 other countries, I would do it today. As it is, once I no longer have any responsibilities there, I will be out as soon as I can sell up and escape with as much of the cash as the fucking Treasury allows me to keep. There are too many people in Britain that I will never be able to look at or speak civilly to, let alone forgive.

As the Simon Hoare tweet makes abundantly clear, I am now an enemy of the state, and an enemy of the people. And I’m proud of it.

I am looking at any means for a passport to a ‘free’ country. Unfortunately this is incredibly limited at the moment. Brexit couldn’t have came at a worse time or i’d be trying Sweden.

But where would you go that’s any better?

Texas

Despite all that’s happening in the US, i’ve always liked the idea of southern states, its bloody warmer & in past times greater freedom.

Perhaps the Australian outback living like a hermit, you’d have to be, to tolerate in Oz’s neo-liberal political ideology.

For some reason i’ve always fancied living in a desert.

You are in a culture desert right now.
Local buses are still carrying adverts for the local rep theatre pantomime, December 18th to Jan 15

‘Book In Bubbles’.

‘Book in bollocks’!

Independent Texas, I guess you mean.

Thailand or the Philippines for the rest of my life would be preferable, not because the governments are any better, but because the populace is different. It’s the pointless belligerence that gets me. People here (Thailand) are bored and irritated by the restrictions but they’re not CHANGED by this. The weird, shrieky extremism in Britain, exemplified by Hoare’s tweet, is something else.

Have they been subjected to the same level of propaganda though? I feel this is just an inherint flaw in the human nature to be extremely gullible and led by fear.

I certainly do not think that Thailand has been subjected to anything like the same onslaught as was planned and executed in the UK. I don’t know if such an onslaught would have worked if they’d tried it. As I have said before on here, having had more governments than Italy since WW2 and more military coups than many an African nation, the Thais have learned to live between the lines of the rubbish the state spews at them. This can be seen in the simple fact of how normal and peaceful it always seems to be here. My coronazealot former friend in Australia was bombarding me with anxious messages a few months ago, “Are you going to get out?” I honestly had no idea what she was talking about. Turns out there was another rash of anti-government demonstrations here. Nobody batted an eyelid. People are more interested in what to have for lunch.

It does seem like we in the UK have been blessed with too much peace. We have a naive population that generally believe their government has their best interests at heart.

British are a nation of serfs always have been, we still worship monarchy ffs. (yes i know Thailand has royalty)

I’ve always liked the idea of knowing who is going to be head of state for the foreseeable future, tends towards stability.
If Blair had installed a republic we might still be labouring under President For Life John Prescott.

Even dictatorship has its attractions, Saddam created stability LOL, Gaddafi gave everyone a free house LOL! Putin is fighting the good fight against the liberal agenda LOL.

But to be honest i value freedom over security, but a republic constitution can provide both as long as politicians honour the constitution.

Gaddhafi was removed because he wouldn’t institute a Central Bank. Google pictures of Libya before and after his toppling. The place was almost a paradise (as long as you kept out of politics).

Even Saddam’s Iraq was better than the theocracy/chaos that now exists. Likewise the experiences of women in Iran under the Shah, compared with now.

“Likewise the experiences of women in Iran under the Shah, compared with now.”

I have been to Iran, and the women are DDG. There are regulations on clothing styles, including for men, but they know how to exploit them with devastating effect. In Tehran, there are shops selling women’s clothing of styles that would have any western father saying ‘you are not going out dressed like that!’

Under the Shah, people also had to contend with the CIA-trained Savak.

A customer suggested Zanzibar when we were discusssing countries to escape to.

Latin America, Tanzania and other african nations.

Yes – in all seriousness, suddenly the expression “failed state” begins to sound attractive.

Time we started looking out for a commodious island as the sceptics’ New World.
They do exist.

Shetland. Once Scotland splits from the UK, Shetland will split from Scotland, and it’ll become a nice, rich, sane little Celto-Scandinavian paradise. That’s the escape route. I’d love a Shetland passport.

Its got no trees, its a damp woolly maggot ridden desert.

It speaks highly of you.

But Shetland wants independence from it!

LOL You have no idea how right you are.

Yes its not a nice feeling to know that under an authoritarian regime you simply cannot rely on your own people at all. Its certainly been an eye opener for me and it leaves a very bad taste in the mouth.

It tells you how far we’ve fallen as a nation when Matt Hancock is not only confident enough to enter a public space, but he can do so and not be savaged by a rabid mob. Shameful.

That was my initial thought. The public haven’t got a clue no wonder he’s smiling.

He thinks it’s because we think he is ‘Mr Vaccine’ the tosser.

Agreed, I feared for his life when I saw the headline picture , sadly I was wrong, he was in no danger.

He probably has a couple of Personal Protection Officers closeby.

Typical. If there’s one face in this world I WOULD like to see hidden behind a mask, it’s that fucker’s.

I have seen Matt Hancock out and about round here as I have Jeremy Corbyn and while I loathe and detest both men for different reasons, I would not call them out during their free time. There has been too much doorstepping of prominent people by the MSM in recent years particularly those seen on the “so-called right.”
I am more than happy to challenge these people in other circumstances.

I’m sorry – who are you? They’re ruining our lives – knowingly judging by their smirking Andy duping delight shown during interviews – and you’re worried about disturbing their afternoon walk? This is the problem in this country that is insurmountable- the forelock-tugging fearful masses

Indeed. We’re conditioned and socialised to be deferential.

This fucker is out and about playing ball with his kid ,smirking whist telling every other fucker to stay indoors.. !!!

Would other circumstances include your face under their boot?

My surprise, like other’s, is that someone didn’t take him out, not call the cunt out.

A poll done for the Sun by YouGov finds that 52% of respondents think the police are not tough enough in enforcing lockdown. Some points:-

1.YouGov’s role appears to be feeding back to the government what it wants to hear. 2. A simple majority in a properly constituted democracy cannot just vote down the rights of a minority: freedom of speech, freedom of association and the right to protest. It is fallacious to argue it can. See J.S. Mill,”On Liberty”. 3. If you had commissioned a poll in pre-war Germany about the conduct of the government, you would have found widespread support for Nazi policies.

If the Sun and the government think a crude poll of an ill-informed public is a sound basis to proceed, we are in dangerous waters indeed.

That means, even by dodgy YouGov standards, 48% of us disagree with the government. I would reckon that 10-20% is sufficient to mount an effective opposition.

‘Revolution is always the kicking in of a rotten door’. – JK Galbraith.

There was a lot of public support for Hitler, some of it under reported in the same way that people would hide their intention to vote Trump or Leave.
Hitler was telling Getmans what many of them wanted to hear.

Supposedly 3 million men joined the SA (Brownshirts) by 1933.
Men willing to publicly be known as Nazis and wear a uniform to back it up.
Let’s hope the mask wearers don’t escalate in their views and apparel.

It would have a funny side. What would their uniforms look like?

Pathetic cheap sky blue tabards from what I’ve seen around here.

The SA were in many places enrolled as auxiliary police after the Nazi takeover in 1933, so the attraction was power and perhaps some money although I don’t know how much they were paid. Not all were particularly political – after the Nazi takeover and the banning of rivals quite a few had come over from the Communist paramilitary Red Front Fighters’ League – enough so that there were worries that some SA units were “beefsteaks” – brown outside, red inside. Not all of the Communist paramilitaries had been particularly motivated by politics either – a lot of youngish men were looking for a fight without much of a need for a political motivation.

I’m triggered by your post,

“police are not tough enough”

Sometimes the rabid calls for greater use of extreme violence by police on the “criminal class” that many ‘liberal’ DM & Sun readers is incredibly chilling at times.

What’s the point of law, judiciary & enforcement if its more brutal than the conduct of criminals, this point merges well with my comment on the class war below.

All this talk of digital passports does raise the question of what do do about people who do not have a smart-phone? I am old and curmudgeonly and do not want to talk to anyone and nobody wants to talk to me, why would I need a phone? Apparently around 50% of over 65’s do not have a smart-phone. Will there need to be a paper system for the non phone users?
Also, where poor people do need a phone they sometimes share one phone between several people, will you be able to have several people’s digital I.D. stuff on one phone?

And when your phone gets stolen by drug dealers who need a constant supply of ‘clean’ numbers to stay ahead of babylon.

“The COVID-19 vaccination record also needs to be verifiable and secure in a way that was less important for past vaccination records, otherwise, a person could try to fake having gotten the COVID-19 vaccine by using someone else’s record, Meyer said.”

That’s a problem the creeps are discussing.

The Mark of the Beast will solve the problem.

In the absence of the BCG scar that many of us carry perhaps a tattoo could be used to mark the vaccine compliant giving them access to enhanced citizen rights.

Some people bit a whopping. CG scar, others like me got nothing…

Tattoos heh? Apparently this guy thinks that would be an excellent idea.

Technology for catagorising those in the Programme and keeping track of them supplied by IBM.

Yes, you can see it unfolding before our very eyes. 666

I am 61 and have never had a smart phone. I just dont like them …all that sliding of your fingers on glass. They need charging every day too and they are an awkward shape to carry. I like buttons to push and only need a phone to call and text. I am not remotely interested in any other purpose.

Good question

I’ve now been told of two nursing homes in the city that had previously been clear coming down with Covid at or around the same time that vaccinations started.

Those reporting this have not themselves implied a causal link and neither do I.

I believe (although I have no proof) that the vaccines are a disaster in the making.

Enough issues are filtering through to suggest this but cognitive bias has kicked in and they are typically being ignored or rationalised as anti vaxxer hoaxes.

I hope I am wrong.

If I right then I believe it will take a very long time for the truth to come out. It does not fit the narrative that everyone wants.

I totally agree and why the big push to vaccinate everyone? They don’t do this with the flu vaccines.

There has been talk that having the flu jab and then catching Covid can lead to complications. Neither of us has ever had the flu jab and for the first time ever have received 2 letters from our GP asking us to make an appointment for one! We thought this was decidedly unusual behaviour from our GP particularly as its been impossible to get an appointment for the last 9 months. Needless to say should we receive a letter about a Covid jab that will also be binned.

I presume they receive money for each vaccination done.

£10.00 above the going rate for the normal flu jab.

Yes that is apparently true. I’ve seen a figure of 10 to 15 pounds per jab mentioned.

Spot on.

yes they have lowered the age range to 50 for the flu jab this year. I received 2 texts and replied to go take a hike (well slightly politer to not bother me again). I’ve never had the jab and never had flu, and i fear any connection between that and the virus – i’ll rely on my immune system.

You are right it is a massive disaster in the making. Norway has just ceased vaccination of its older, vulnerable citizens due to a high number of deaths. Deaths seem to follow post-vaccination, more than we think. It’s just massive denial by Big Pharma. However, the message is getting through from Countries that take the lives of their citizens seriously and actually care about their citizens. Here, we now know our Government couldn’t give a damn about the British People and neither can Starmer and his now Conservative Clone Labour Party.

I have been asking for a few days – with no response – whether vaccines were rolled out earlier or more widely in London than elsewhere -so as to account for the fact that London seems to have had more infections in the period covering Christmas than anywhere else.

Logically this should lead to fewer vaccinations in London. It suggests London is furthest over the hump & more people already have immunity due to prior infection.

Israeli figures show that around 100 people vaccinated went on to contract Covid post-vaccination when they did not have it before. I think there is definitely a causation it’s just that the drug companies will not admit to it neither will the NHS.

I fear this is getting worse.

Just had a Waitrose delivery. Normally the drivers seem pretty sensible and not in masks etc. This guy was fully masked up with one of those super tight ones that he thinks will stop viruses sneaking round the side of. Not sure how he thinks air gets in and CO2 gets out but I guess each to their own.

Normally, the guys put your bagged delivery on the door step. This guy left the bags in the trays outside the house. Then instructed me very strictly not to touch the trays. This was such a dystopian horror at 7am that I mentioned that the science does not really support viruses spreading by me touching his trays. I did not touch the trays. Clearly, given the way he was wearing his mask, I really should not have bothered but it was early.

He basically replied by saying that he is the one risking his life by doing this. That’s really how he sees it. I thanked him and wished him “Stay Safe”. I guess that if restaurants and schools are shut for “safety” reasons then one can see his point! Especially if he watches the BBC and Sky.

I fear there is no hope for our society when normal human interaction is now instinctively viewed as dangerous. The propaganda is just so intense that this is all becoming internalised. People are behaving this way out of reflex now, with zero perspective. It really is the 1984 type scenario that if you bombard the same messages constantly then people will believe them. And there is no point in quoting statistics such as that no one has found any statistically significant higher case rate amongst supermarket workers or police officers compared to the overall population. It just falls on deaf ears.

Maybe this was one a one off. But, it is scary that people are this scared of Covid. He even looked young. Well under 50. I am much higher risk than he would be.

The future is very bleak. For the first time, I really now believe this horror show will never end. History (when we eventually wake up in a few decades) will for sure look back on situations like this though and ask the obvious question: “what on earth were they doing?” Anyone transported here from the past would for sure ask that.

There will be no future from which to look back from -a society this paranoid about social interaction will not survive.

Something will replace it. Let’s try to ensure the new version is better- even if it consists of only ourselves while all the rest cower in the coal-hole.

They will look back on us in the same way we look back on witchunts but at least witchunters had ignorance as an excuse.

Ignorance in what way? I think Covid-fanaticism and witch-hunting mania are different manifestations of the same kind of deliberately-induced mass-hysteria.

Risking his life?
Are Waitrose paying danger money?
I hope you didn’t tip him as he sounds a self righteous young fellow.

Waitrose have also dispensed with the dividers they use on their conveyor belts – deemed “too dangerous” …

Still have them in my local Waitrose. It’s actually a sane branch.

Oh no not the dividers!!!!!!!! Forget the machetes …those dividers!!

I know … scary …

“For the safety of all our customers and staff, please strap a snot and sweat soaked rag to your face, touch it constantly, and then touch all the goods that other people have to buy. Thank you for shoping safely at Waitrose”.

I agree with you. If I get the chance to talk to anyone when I am out and about I try and suss out if they share my views. Sadly a lot of them don’t but others are receptive. I think we just have to continue trying to persuade people of the truth.

Have had no problem with the Waitrose delivery men Some maskless and those who do wear lower them to speak to you.

I have many of the same feelings myself. I have had a couple of people with true terror in their eyes when they see me. I tried to reassure one that I did not have any disease but that seemed to make them worse! They shrank away from me as they might if I was a knife wielding maniac. I have to blame the scumbag media for brainwashing people like this but also the individuals have to be held partly responsible too. They could have tried doing some research and not just believed the BBC…or after 10 months noticed that the ‘death industries’ (funeral directors,grave diggers etc) are no more busy than usual for the season.

Strangely enough, here where I live is the epitomy of sane – I haven’t come across any ‘pavement jumpers’, cringers, wide-berthers. In fact, people are chatting together in the street, little or no social distancing evidenced. Police cars have been seen out and about but they are just allowing people to get on with their lives and their business. We are very lucky with our Chief of Police here – a sane and sensible person and a sane and sensible council too.

I think because everything is low key here, people are just acting sensibly and normally.

You should have offered him a tip. you know: filthy dirty actual cash. A tenner, in pound coins. I bet he would have forgotten all his nastiness then.

And you should report him for his comment that it’s him risking his life, when you are the one more at risk (hence keeping him in a job by getting deliveries).

These people need kickback.

Re-posted with correction.

From the main text about vaccine Passports.

Polish Deputy Health minister says the (QR) code will allow the recipient to “use the rights of those who have been vaccinated”.

Welcome to Social Credit.
For those unfamiliar with this Dr Vernon Coleman has made a welcome return to outline it on YouTube, 15 minutes.

Regarding the comment in the section on ICU admissions that “ There is a slight skew towards the middle 18-64 band in London compared with the national figures”, the population of London is heavily skewed to this age group compared to the country as a whole, so the skew in ICU admissions is unsurprising.

And the London ICUs are admitting people from other regions.

Nope, they are sending their covids down here to the S/W.

Well, not the ICU patients.

If we accept that there are now three groups

1) the unconvertible zealots and the terminally frightened
2) the “bit fed up but going along with it” (the vast majority, I think, and born out among my own wide circle of friends and acquaintances)
3) us

Then we should take encouragement from the fact that, from now onwards, virtually no-one is going to go from group 2 to group 1.

The only likely direction of travel for Group 2 is towards our own position, and it will grow and grow as it starts to dawn on people that, despite the vaccine, we are never going back to normal.

Take heart, and fight on!

My hope is that as the weather brightens, lovely sunny morning in N Devon, people will get the urge to get up and travel especially with half term and Easter coming up. I think it is your group 2 that will want to break free as we head into better weather.

It’s a lovely day here in Yorks. Going out for a walk this afternoon, will be interesting to take the temperature.

Agreed, I think the first appearance of decent spring weather will be a useful indication of where things are going. Though I go out every day, some people are quite happy staying at home semi-hibernating when it’s cold and damp outside. When good weather comes along, even those people will feel the urge to get out, go places and do things.

Group 2 are the ones I despise most: if they’d applied logic and critical thinking, this shitshow could have ended months ago.

I don’t disagree KH.

The thing is though if group 2 get a vaccine and that allows return to ‘normal’ with masks and distancing I don’t think they’ll care. As long as they can their pint in the pub.

They will not be able to compute the shit sandwich they’ve been served. They’ve gone on this long asleep.

Businesses will start to care, as the numbers won’t add up.

I’m not so sure. There seems to have been a steady conversion of people leaning more towards the ‘zealot’ group as a result of the constant MSM coverage of how the hospitals are under pressure. That seems to be enough to convince many people that we are living in end of days and lockdowns are completely justified. The negatives of lockdowns are just not on the table and probably won’t be until the end of February at the earliest.

The problem with reversing the prevailing narrative is we in group 3 can’t speak to anyone in group 2.

I’d love to educate some thickos in the local pub.

The vast number of people in group 2 is an epic embarrassment to our species. If anyone with a strategic, critical mind ever gets into power, their first priority should be the make sure our education system teaches people not to be sheeple.

It has gone beyond silly in the past few days. Police in newly marked out corona virus regulations enforcement vans. People wearing masks to go for a walk in the country. A masked couple pressed themselves into a hedge with their backs towards me as I climbed up the hill past them yesterday.

The fear can only be maintained for so long. Even with fear of death people will get weary of staying scared (I hope!)

I thought the same in March but here we are…

Yes I have had the ‘pressed themselves into the hedge’ experience. I suppose the best thing to do is just to laugh at them…..its pointless trying to engage with them…they just respond with pure terror. There is no hope for these people.

You bet! I’ve rolled my sleeves up ready for the big fight!

Many times in the past people have been encouraged to turn to God to ‘heal their land’. National days of prayer have been held to that end. Where is the call for such healing today? Surely it is needed more than ever.

They’re doing vaccinations in the cathedrals. Does that count?

Looks to me like the religious class in Old Testament Israel going along with Moloch worship.

With a population density that I would have thought acceptable for worship ‘in these difficult times’ instead of which my local Cathedral has just closed its doors to worshippers.

Ours too. Open on Sundays only. No tourists welcome during the week, then they demand money “to support us” while closing the coffee and gift shops.

Never occurs to these people to push the envelope and demand that the gift shop stays open for the sale of Bibles or that the huge Refectory could have a massive queue under cover with takeaways for sale.

We’ve moved on, Covidology is the new religion, The NHS is the established church which must be revered and protected at all costs, the face-mask is the crucifix symbol of your support for this cult, the vaccine is the sacrament, twitter is the Spanish inquisition where dissenters are torn asunder and SAGE is the source of all authority on all of this.

And Chris Shitty is the Pope?

Anti-Pope.

The Heart of Darkness.

Utterly brilliant!

Exactly!!! Don’t forget the BBC as the spreader of this Gospel of Covid and the NHS.

People have simply swapped an old religion for a new one.

No – satanism is the new religion

To my astonishment, the majority of the churches have been taken in by this panic. It has looked to me for some time as resembling Paul’s prophecy in 2 Thess 2 of a “great delusion/deception” accompanying a falling away from the faith. .

“ For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.”

Most Catholic Churches and the hierarchy are Vatican II Libtards. Anglican Church is not Christian imo, but an adjunct of the BBC. Our Catholic priest openly and proudly proclaims that he reads and believes the Guardian. So yes most will be Covidiots.

Many churches also rely on state money. They are in essence state employees. If they don’t comply, they don’t survive. For example, any large renovation project is partially funded by the state.

Christian Concern calls for Day of Prayer Friday the 22nd of Jan.

Agreed! I am praying that the truth will come out.

Are lockdowns simply too evil for the general public to question?
https://muchadoaboutcorona.ca/simply-too-evil/

A Canadian perspective.

Canadians in general, some exceptions, are good sheeple. If the CBC (equiv to the BBC), told them to eat dog shit which stops ‘CV 19 transmission’, most Canadians would be outside on both knees, bread in both hands, complying. Critical thinkers….not. I know because of extensive experience and family. They don’t question, they bleat.

And I grew up thinking all Canadians were like the Forest Rangers.

Oh, Bevis! And I though you were so butch ……!

Outstanding. This quotation, from that post, is worth bombarding people with.

“Throughout 2020, lockdown measures have been quite popular, but that popularity is deceptive. For the general public, the idea that anyone might accept some outside incentive to support such devastating policies while knowing them to be ineffective — needlessly bankrupting millions of families and depriving millions of children of education and food — is, quite simply, too dark.

“Thus, the public supports lockdowns because the alternative — that they might have been implemented without good cause — is a possibility too evil for most to contemplate. But those who know history know that others with superficially excellent credentials have done even worse for even less.”

Just when you thought it couldn’t get any more bonkers, someone manages it,

This would be the same “fresh air” that apparently is good for us and which we should be opening windows to let in.

If only Carlsberg made fresh air!

Terrifying. If anyone knows where I can buy covid-safe air please get in touch.

All sounds a bit like ‘despite Brexit’, let them be ever more absurd in their claims it will open peoples eyes the sooner.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/bradford-council-warning-covid-19-19631369

Loads of octogenarians were out snowball-fighting this week.

This is taking the piss and sadly enough people will fall for it.

Yet again why don’t they come clean and simply say that existing is hazardous to your health and advocate hara-kiri to stop the virus?

Is it true or just my perception that the ONS data take a lot longer to be published?
It has been my to go to ‘number checker’…
Also I can’t find 2020total annual deaths for any country apart from Sweden.
Would be very interesting.
I do sound like a fun person don’t I

There have been delays recently put down to the Xmas NY holiday period.
Previous weeks stats used to be published the following Tuesday.

I’ve been using a similar description of lockdown as Prof Kulldorff, it has quite an impact. I generally say that pandemic has been redefined as ‘ when the middle class hide at home in fear of a cold virus whilst the working class continue to deliver their parcels and food orders, whilst they drive their buses and taxis, whilst they stack their supermarket shelves, whilst they tidy their gardens etc etc’. It generally gets a very knowing look from those who’ve carried on working and strangely seems to enrage the professional classes. A little sensitive methinks? Give it a try, every little helps (sorry Tesco).

If only me and the Bro’s had been in that London park yesterday, he’d have had two balls down his throat and the rugby ball up his ass..

Does anyone know which park it was?

Haven’t read the article, probably a set up job..

Apparently it was Queens Park, North London

he is in the playground adjacent to Millman Road .

Psy op ‘I’m taking the piss and don’t care if you know’ MH.

LOL

Why do policemen wear facemasks when they are beating innocent people up?

LOL so true, the main mitigation measures for covid19 are social distancing , masks & limiting social contact, washing hands etc.

So police hunt in large packs, go from person to person “advising” on covid rules, ignore social distancing whilst harassing the public, either don’t wear masks or keep touching them with vinyl gloves they’ve had on for hours, & participating in unecessary physical contact, arresting manhandling & handcuffing innocent non violent people!

Who are the super spreaders & granny killers?

They will have been especially trained to gang wrestle pigeon feeding grannies to the pavement in a Covid Safe way.

To hide their smiles?

So. We have a denial of herd immunity in the posts. Yet that’s the very principle behind vaccinations, so why vaccinate at all?
I dare say that this is deliberate obfuscation.
Then we move on to that greater immunity levels mean greater number of variant strains, so again why vaccinate. Especially with an experimental vaccine.

WAKE UP EVERYONE!

This is not the correct course at all. Most laws created are to serve outstanding agendas and strip the rights and freedoms of us all.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VIRUS.!

We agree again the vaccine is nothing more than misdirection, it has no value in combating covid19.

But it seems to be killing about 2.7% (for now).

Just pondering what to put on the blackboards this morning. Wonder how the Environmental Health Officer would react to this:

The EHO will become another Covid statistic when he ends up in hospital following his heart attack, brought on by apoplexy

Go for it!

I think a heart attack caused by obesity will get her first. Have to chuckle that this woman has any kind of role in ‘Public Health’.

‘Public Health’ is a relatively new thing but it relegated your health and mine to the greater good and so here we are.

The (now ex) Belgian health minister takes the prize.

Hope you’re packed all day!

I settled on this:

Groundhog Day

Liberty still denied;
Freedom still denied;
Education still denied.

You can come after our business, but you’ll never take our minds.

We are open to the truth.

Brilliant. Kudos once more to you.

I heard anecdotally of a business putting up a big BLM sign; that would be interesting to see how the plod react.. esp. if the words ‘Bloomin’ Lockdown Measures’ are printed in tiny small print underneath..

How about BUNCH OF BRAINWASHED CHARLIES?

When lockdown was introduced this created winners and losers. The losers have been businesses forced to close and the knock on effect on other businesses. For instance, if restaurants have to close, this has a knock effect on suppliers. Winners are divided into categories. Firstly, there are firms who directly benefit. These include manufacturers of vaccines, testing kits, hand gels, screens, signs for social distancing, cleaning products, masks, firms who run testing sites. Secondly, there are companies who benefit when their competitors are not allowed to operate which must be a wet dream for business owners. When so called non essential shops are not allowed to open, supermarkets and online retailers get increased sales. For instance, if bookshops are not allowed to open people will buy books in supermarkets or online. If gyms are not allowed to open firms who sell home exercise equipment may get more sales. If pubs and restaurants can’t open, supermarkets and online sellers may get increased alcohol sales. If people don’t want to cook at home but can’t eat out, takeaways get increased business. In the takeaway trade you see winners and losers. Kebab shops loose trade if pubs are closed as they are dependant on pub goers. Takeaways dependant on shoppers loose trade if the majority of shops have to close and high streets are empty. Takeaways not dependant on pub goers and shoppers don’t loose out. It has been mentioned tradesmen get increased trade from people who spend more time at home as they have more incentive to improve their homes.

This creates an issue that a covid industrial complex has been created and many may have a vested interest in lockdowns continuing. If government members and their advisors have shares, received funding or have directorships in companies which benefit from lockdowns this may explain why lockdowns are continuing. On an anti lockdown facebook page there was a list of Sage members who have links with vaccine manufacturers. Whitty and Valance have links to vaccine companies. MPs are supposed to reveal if they have links to companies but how do we know if MPs who imposed lockdowns don’t have secret connections to companies benefiting from lockdowns.

Agree CV is a military-industrial complex worth billions of £. Many billions. It feeds the NHS (more CV attestations, more funding), same for Nursing-Old Age Home Care (more cases, more ’emergency’ funds); feeds Pharma well known to buy politicians with 60 years of criminal history, and other suppliers within the CV supply chain. Some Big Business will be lobbying to keep the LDs. Destroying centres of opposition – the family, the church, the middle class business owner, non-governmental free associations – is always a stated goal of the fascist.

‘Covid Industrial Complex’
Inspired

“Kebab shops loose trade if pubs are closed as they are dependant on pub goers.” Has anyone ever eaten a kebab when sober?

I love Kebabs. I am a kebab connoisseur. All the way through the 1st LD my kebab shop kept open and the kebab man stayed normal. We get on great. I love these kebab guys. I would get a lovely kebab as a special treat, eating out!

I used to call them FREEDOM kebabs. I said the shop should change it’s name to Freedom Kebabs.

I was terribly disappointed to see the kebab shop guy was sporting a FN, to be fair after a told him I can’t stand them he removed it for me. Bless, but I haven’t been back since mandatory FN day.
Sad.

It might be a little more complex than that. A few I’ve spoken to, who’ve had their busiest year and should have raked in the coin, are completely over it and want the return to normality. The challenges they’ve had to deal with in order to operate, have massively reduced the extra profits expected.

In 2020 there were over 50 new billionaires created, 27 of them in China and all related to the ‘medical industrial complex’. Your term ‘covid industrial complex’ is novel and current but the whole money making machine concerning health and medicine stretches far wider than that.

Hmm, not so sure about that Bob cartoon: we clearly were not what we thought we were back in 2019. Perhaps he should have simply showed a pair of dirty glasses in 2019 seemingly showing a lion and then a quick clean and polish now revealing what the country has clearly become over the last 3 or 4 decades. Horrifying truth revealed!

The Lion needs to be Black of course. Muslim preferably. Say a Muslim Black Panther, but weak, withered, with cross-eyes licking its balls.

The caged kitten must be a transgendered, diaper wearing mouse, crying, terrified and shatting itself.

Then the cartoon would be more accurate.

I thought it was a good anaolgy, Lions were once the most widespread species on the planet, no they are almost extinct due to neo-liberal globalism.

I’ve always had the general population as well under the thumb. The lion, the war stuff, bulldog spirit etc was always a mere morsel chucked to the masses to make them feel better. The reality is an incredibly supine, subservient populace who still believe whatever they are told by so-called betters.

A kitten is far too feisty to represent the people, should be a slug or maybe an amoeba.

Many have thinking that a vaccine will give them back their foreign holiday but now that the hotels around the world are ‘quarantine hotels’ it looks unlikely. Australia, even if you could go on holiday couldn’t accommodate you because they are full of quarantining people who are returning home and being charged a fortune! I imagine the most expensive hotels are still open for the very rich traveller. A one for the sustainable planet

We would get the Australian disused army camps and mining settlements that are being repurposed as remote quarantine stations, together with Chistmas Isalnd.

Perhaps we could send visitors from Oz to St. Helena.

Port Arthur is available.

Great articles today. The doctor’s analysis of youth infections, the Martin Kuldorff tweet and the Bob cartoon particularly good.

Is it legal for the Government, with help from their behavioural scientists, to use ‘fear of death’ to control the population? – I mean in the UK not China

Coercive Control clearly, both intent and fact.

Remember when we used to laugh at how the Chinese interfered with family life with their one child mandate? Heady times.

Professor Fowler needs to look closer to home and ask her university to demolish its botanical garden.

Patel and ‘her’ police force. (Queen Pritti???)

https://www.bitchute.com/video/aHgLgSPWYkBW/

6 mins in

Excellent video.

excellent 14 mins in to

Your expert Rachel Nicholl says you were wrong when you said there would not be a second wave and Toby ‘admitted’ this to Emily Maitlis which prompted me to complain to the BBC. Look at the diagram below of all deaths – the 8 weeks from 5 April to 24th May all had more than 12,500 deaths but no week since has. Interestingly, the only other week with this many was in January (11th), normal seasonal deaths! Can you see a second wave? I can’t.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/the-second-wave-of-covid-has-drowned-the-sceptics-delusions-f6xznkn6h -can’t get past the paywall but isn’t the point thhat we only got a second wave because of the artificial suppression of the first wave? If the vulnerable had been shielded then herd immunity would be attained by now. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/all-arrivals-to-uk-face-hotel-quarantine-to-stop-new-covid-strains-qgl5q3dkk is worrying -looks like Oz/NZ zero covid. Surely we need the new strains to circulate .

We haven’t had a second wave – look at the graph (from Oxford Uni Evidence-based Medicine).

Yep that was manufactured by repeated testing.

Bungle – now that we are more than halfway through this current “flu” season, do you have an opinion on the ‘dry tinder’ argument used by some sceptics? That there were many old and susceptible groups prone to a novel RTI like c-19 at the start of this year.

I’ve always found that one to be a bit of a shifty point to make and probably counterproductive. It would surely mean fewer passed away this winter as they’d all been sadly taken this spring.

This is a good point, I assumed there would be fewer deaths this winter on that basis but this seems to be wrong. What we can’t know though is what the tally of lockdown-induced deaths is.

Agree – it is a soup of data.

Hi Tom, apparently the 2 things, larger and older population, increase the death rate. So adjusted figures make 2020 the worst since 2008. Remember that being bad? No, I don’t either. What will be interesting is what happens in the final few weeks of winter, depending how you define winter. The shortest 13 weeks finish on the 5th of Feb but the coldest days have a lag of about 4 weeks.

Cheers B

The April spike is a mess in data due to management of care homes and the death certs being marked as CV-19 without proper analysis or autopsy. And you have to factor in the impact of the lockdown and scaring people into avoiding hospitals. How many deaths does that contribute to the spike?? It’s so noisy and not all those deaths are ‘dry tinder’. So comparing April 2020 to 2019 or 2018 isn’t that easy given the landscape of Health management was so distorted.

It’s clear the preceeding year was a light flu season and the historical eb and flow between seasons indicates the dry tinder theory is solid to me.

2020 could well have kicked much of the dry tinder into this winter too, remember lockdowns can flatten the pressure on the NHS but overall mortality isn’t changed, you get it regardless, as many studies have now shown, just later.

The second wave is that elevated red bit on the left hand side. Much less than earlier this year but it exists.

Forward progress requires that to come back to normal.

That is the seasonal winter uptick as predicted by Ivor Cummins and everyone else.It is not a wave and you, I think, can see that it is nothing like the AprilMay caper.

So The Times finally, after 10 months, think the question of increased screen time for kids should be raised. If McDonalds were to take over the school meal contracts country wide, would they wait 10 months before questioning the policy?

The Times is full of lazy ‘journalists’ as, it seems, are most papers and broadcast media. The investigative reporter trying to get to the bottom of something is a thing of the past unfortunately.

Doctor, can I get Coronavirus by sitting down?
Yes. It’s transmitted by your aerosoles.

Reminds me of the Not The Nine O#Clock News sketch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS2N1mBsEdM

You’re touching bottom there, Patrick!

I think he’s fundamentally correct, personally.

It didn’t last long the interview with Mary Ramsay PHE stating the obvious truth in a widely shared video. The inquisitors are back on her. The PHE statement below is completely ridiculous and antiscientific.

God. Its so incredibly blatant the censorship that is ongoing. Masks work and no natural herd immunity.

In Cambodia they pin scarecrows to their homes to ward off evil diseases. Maybe we should ditch masks and do that instead

Off the rails insane

Last week I heard an Irish ‘expert’ saying on radio that “of course, there is no flu this winter”. Well, there is the odd case as the official data admits:

https://www.publichealth.hscni.net/sites/default/files/2021-01/Flu%20Bulletin%20Week1.pdf

They regularly trot out the same bollox here, usually with no challenge. That’s on a par to claiming Covid doesn’t exist, which is, of course, Haram.

It seems to me that this would be a simple direct way to challenge ALL their statistical Bollox. Just go for the flu figures. Never let a reference go unchallenged, on the street or in the meeja. Just scream “WHERE HAS THE FLU GONE?” They have to have an answer or they have lost. Seems simple to me.

Covidiot heads usually explode when they claim that diapers-LDs-distancing eradicated the flu (along with 200K businesses). How then does the CV spread since it is a part of the large flu family one asks? Their response is usually; ‘LDs were not strict enough and CV 19 is not a flu, but much much worse’. How then does it spread one asks? They reply ‘droplets in the air floating, nesting, wafting for hundreds of feet…’ What evidence do you have that his is true (it isn’t) or logically, how that would be different than any respiratory-viral disease, of which CV is a part of one asks.

The Covidiots can never explain how CV transmission would be any different, than any other viral disease. Nor why masks would work, when every piece of evidence states they don’t.

It challenges their monopoly, though.

John Cullen on YouTube has taken the flu numbers as his line of attack. He points to previous seasons where Fauci and the CDC have used fear of flu epidemics for political motives. This season, they are very quiet on the subject

The zealots also like to say its down to a lakc of testing for flu. But that’s not the case. Japan’s testing numbers for flu continued as normal as Covid showed up and flu dropped off a cliff

From the Torygraph;

“Biden to visit UK first as he plans to work closely with PM
Joe Biden believes a patched-up relationship with Boris Johnson will help to decide the “destiny of the world” as the president-elect is set to head to the UK for his first foreign visit outside of North America, sources have told the Telegraph.”

Gawd help us!!!!!?!

Hide the teenage girls!

He seems to like them younger than that!

Was he a friend of Epstein and Maxwell?

The few americans I have met have seemed pleasant people but the American government is not our best friend and never has been.
The Prime Muppet will be taken in even more readily than his predecessors.

The Prime Muppet

LOL good one

That’s brilliant – it means that MacFishface is the First Muppet – or numpty or pygmy – insert your own noun there. Made me laugh! Thank you.

There always was a UK collusion angle.

As there was in 2016, of course.

Will Sadiq Khan approve a Biden blimp?

Well if the Democrats are truly dedicated to tolerance & equality, they will have no choice but to impeach Biden before he’s even figured out how to spell POTUS:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/12/08/senate-committee-report-on-hunter-biden-raises-criminal-financial-counterintelligence-and-extortion-concerns/

Stands to reason Boris was born in the USA in June, not quite the 4th of July but close, he was a US citizen for many years, I think that the UK is heading stateside.

Antoine Dobson Warning!!!! -THEY RAPING EVERYBODY OUT HERE! (HQ).flv – YouTube

If this is what freedom looks like, I guess I can take it.

I hope he gets special access to Princess Nut Nut and they film it. He won’t be able to resist!!!!

Whilst her family are a bunch of tools, the Queen still seems like a “good sort”, so I wonder if she’s asked to meet Biden whether she might be persuaded to knee him in the nuts and tell him to fuck off?

I’d pay to watch that.

Problem is, it probably won’t be a State visit, so she won’t get a chance.

Shame really. Lol.

Letter of the day for me in the Torygraph

“What Scruton can teach us in the age of CovidSIR – Madeline Grant, who regrets that she never met Sir Roger Scruton, wonders what he would have made of the present Covid-19 crisis, though she hints that he would have considered the reaction of the authorities to be unconstitutional.
I wrote an article on that very subject for the website The Conservative Woman in December, explaining precisely why he would have been appalled.
I knew Sir Roger for many years and read his many books. It is possible to determine from just one of them, Confessions of a Heretic, that he was passionately opposed to what he described as “health fascism”. He recommended a virtuous life of courage, as opposed to the “cowardly” option of prioritising physical health over all other moral values.
Sir Roger would have been appalled by the authoritarian zealotry of both the police and the Government – and he would have condemned with every fibre of his being the impugning and censoring of those holding contrarian opinions.
Dr Frank Palmer
Twickenham, Middlesex”

I remember that excellent article!

The evidence based science shows that medical face masks for the healthy do not alter rates of community transmission of SARSCoV2 while they contribute to the plastic pollution of planet. Cloth & masks of other materials increase rates of infection through nebulization spread.”Speaking through some masks dispersed largest droplets into a multitude of smaller droplets..smaller particles are airborne longer than large droplets (larger droplets sink faster), a mask might be counterproductive.” https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/36/eabd3083/tab-figures-data?s=09 … (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1349997185006497793 )

Yet another study that proves what we already know. Masks don’t work.

The nebuliser effect actually indicates they make it worse

Indeed, I think we are now seeing the effects of mass mask wearing.

Nepali climbers make history with winter summit of K2

Are they mad? Don’t they know there’s a pandemic on??

They had oxygen supplies!

We’re they socially distanced and we’re the pigs behind them to fine them if they broke the rules?

There are still places in the world that haven’t descended into apocalyptic hysteria.

Climb every Covid.

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/cambridge-doctor-demoralised-after-finding-19636953

It’s quite shocking the number of inaccuracies that article contains:

falsely claims that “more people will die from the restrictions and lockdowns than the virus”

“Covid-19 is no more dangerous than the flu.” An allegation that has been completely debunked by data.

It then finishes by turning in to an advert for vaccines. I would have said that articles like that are more dangerous than the leaflet he is criticising.

I find it profoundly depressing that people are quarantining their post. Even more depressing that a medical doctor is indulging their delusions.

Mrs. M does exactly this; so do her sister and their aunt. After they’ve wiped them down with Dettol upon receipt. All of them think I hold some cranky views on the current shitshow- insofar as I feel able to discuss my views openly.

BBC propaganda this morning

Visit Cornwall estimates the county will make £50m, with the summit providing a boost to tourism and the area’s international profile.

Maud ” Where are we going on holiday this year?”

Sid ” Well there is no way I’m getting on a fecking plane this year. One day to get there, one day on the beach, one day trying to understand Matts latest travel restriction and one day to get back”

Maud ” How about a week in Cornwall screaming abuse at the G7 leaders?”

Sid ” Good for me, I’ll dig out the camping stove”

This is G7 – security will be massive. Expect huge fences and restricted areas, road and rail closures. Disruption to local small businesses and holidaymakers.

Delegates will be flying in to Newquay airport (longest runway in the UK thanks to the Americans) I should imagine. Perhaps Biden could be given a tour of the rumoured nuclear bunkers they built below the runway. Just in case y’know.
Plenty of large empty hotels around Carbis Bay set in large empty grounds for delegates and bodyguards to wander in. Relaxing to be far away from the proles.
Usefully, also far away from our devastated capital city.
Some years in Cornwall it doesn’t rain in June.
Can’t wait to see the team photos, all masked up, we can play ‘spot your leader’.

https://www.rt.com/news/512736-israel-facial-paralysis-13-covid-vaccine/

Bell’s Palsy and vaccine. Cases in Israel.

Another fly in the ointment.

And transverse myelitis….both related.

Neurological damage

Long vaccine?

There were reports of Bell’s Palsy about a month ago after vaccination, in the USA I think.

Will this be the “tipping point” ?
Stores encouraged to ask shoppers to shop alone: Mail on line.
My wife and myself are both 72 and we could manage to do that but WHY THE BLOODY HELL SHOULD WE?

No, it will not be a tipping point, there are no tipping points with a cult. The cultists will go their graves believing

So, the death of the cult members constitutes the tipping point.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Jim_Jones

I always take my young daughter shopping with me these days just for the sake of annoying the ‘SHOP ALONE’ brigade.

As a couple we both shop, I decide what we need, my husband carries it. It’s called teamwork! However this is yet another disgusting attack on relationships by this evil government. They can all FO.

Agreed

There’s not going to be any covid revolution, until government ends furlough! That’s when the shit will hit the fan.

I’ve been hoping that for months.

There is no scenario i can imagine a Tory government implementing UBI & if the Tories wont fund it Scotland & Wales wont ever be able to.

What about Universal Basic Income (UBI)?

Hmm what about it?

That’s what the furlough payments are likely to morph into, the moment that the economy look like reaching a tipping-point (crash).

The thinking seems to be that if we are in a Deflationary Spiral right now (velocity of money is off a cliff despite massive money supply increases) then the government may choose a method of demand stimulus that doesn’t just blow up asset bubbles but keeps the whole economy moving. The idea is that a UBI would give people direct unconditional income support and avoid a deflationary spiral as was seen in the Great Depression.

Strange times.

Exactly. I am sure if you were I’ll you wouldn’t be out anyway! Go for it

Just read Dominic Lawson in the Times having a real pop at our Toby. He is another one who thinks that lockdown sceptics just want to “let it rip”. We just don’t agree that quarantining the healthy is the way to go!
I hope Toby counters his misrepresentations.

I got as far as “let it rip”. Anyone who characterizes the sceptic arguments thusly loses my attention!

This is ‘lazy journalism’. He can”t be bothered to actually find out about why we are sceptical and knows that he can get away with just slagging off anyone who is. I have no respect for him. Or his paper.

However, on the plus side, I bet it spurs some people to look at this site or become interested in it.

I wouldn’t bother, remember it’s a cult

It’s here https://justpaste.it/762qr

We let the Aussie Flu rip a few years ago and that killed over 50,000 people. Oh that’s right we always do that.

Lawson is an all time bed wetter. He could cope with being anti establishment on a safe topic like brexit,,,but this was just too much for him. You will find him hiding under the bed…is his sister as bad? I have heard his Dad saying lockdown was wholly disproportionate.

I tried to engage in a useful (obviously counter) discussion but the answers are so blinkered. Let it rip, how do we shield the millions of vulnerable, we are WFH etc etc. And when pushed they see the end game as inoculation. Let’s hope so but I have my fears that it will morph yet again into a NHS pressure, zero Covid idea.

Can someone inform ancock there is a pandemic going on and were all going to die if we do not st.. a. h…..

Matt Hancock was seen “covered in mud” while carrying a rugby ball through a London park this afternoon the day after Boris Johnson pleaded with the nation to “stay at home this weekend”.

What does ancock not understand about the message, hypocrite…….


I thought non-elite sport was banned.

No doubt the definition extends to “Sport played by the elite” as well as “Sport played by elite sportsmennanwimmin”.

He stays on message during the week because he is a responsible human being, and plays with his kids in the park on a weekend because he is a good normal guy like me or you.

If you’re struggling with this doublethink there’s probably a good quarantine camp around that could reeducate you.

No-one is saying he is ‘wrong’ to do it. But if he has so little self-awareness that he doesn’t recognise how this appears, when he has been preaching the ‘stay at home’ message, then he is even more arrogant than he appears to be.

It doesn’t matter. The general public have unshakeable faith in the message. He’s like a kiddy fiddling priest – it doesn’t matter what he does personally.

Agreed – or he could gently push at the boundaries by being outside but not really breaking the rules, in order to reinforce the real message “it’s one rule for them…”

No doubt this is political pantomime with some Nudge Unit behavioural insight team advice thrown in for good measure.

Like in the CCP, we’re ‘advising’ you what to do, but we’re the elites and above you all, so we have different rules and there’s nothing you can do about it.

Looking forward to reading Toby’s reply to Christopher Snowdon’s article.

He called someone a moron on Twitter a couple of days ago because they said that Covid had a 99.4% survival rate. The absolute bellend had an article in the Daily Mail back in November calling out the Gov for ruining the economy for a virus that had a 0.06% fatality rate! The man has built a career off criticising Public Health measures; now he’s coining in on defending them.

Snowden was always a lightweight…even when he was on his ‘libertarian’ trip he was somehow not very convincing. Not that I think libertarianism is the right politics anyway. It seems to me that the market is a good servant but a bad master.

Snowdon would be regarded as ‘gone over to the other side’ in wartime and its always odious to see the new converts viscously attacking their former colleagues.

He has well and truly blown any claim to be an opponent of ‘big government’.
Government does not get any bigger than in this shit show.

So its Snowden who is the moron.

NHS leadership has just given the go ahead for a new advertising slogan to be used at all mass vaccination centers,as members of the bublic enter the building they will be greeted by the words “Arbeit macht frei “an NHS spokesperson said this slogan was used to great effect in a project not dissimilar to this one around the 1940s in Poland, six million took part in the original project so hopes are high among NHS staff that this figure can be easily eclipsed in this modern day vaccination equivalent…

Vaxx macht frei?

Poverty macht frei?

Good one should have used that in my comment.

ROLL UP……. ROLLOUT…..RAMP UP

Public

The Final Solution?

Kraft durch (err…) being locked in your house for 12 months.

https://iea.org.uk/publications/you-had-one-job-the-shortcomings-of-public-health-england-and-the-world-health-organization-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

In the 1980s I was a young hard left activist. I used to read an actually quite funny newspaper called ‘Class War’. In those days the Left had a good sense of humour before the po faced Guardian types took over and bored everyone to death.

The paper had a very popular section called ‘Class Traitor of the Month’! As I remember there were candidates such as Frank Field and Michael Meacher.

Maybe we should have an amusing section here called ‘Sceptic Traitor of the Month’ ! I can think of a few suitable candidates recently.

Any other offers?

Mandy? being photographed in the company of proles?

Any MP (too many to mention) who bleat and blather on about how we need a ‘lockdown exit strategy’ and a ‘way to save our economy’ – when they’re the b*ggers who voted for these lockdowns in the first place.
(See John Redwood’s speech the other day as an example.)

Yes an exit strategy from what they put us into…tossers!

I received an email from my daughter’s school the other day stating that some of the so-called ‘critical worker’ parents have requested permission to keep their children at home on days when they aren’t working ‘for the children’s safety’. It’s not compulsory to do so but is an option for those who wish.

What is wrong with these people!

as long as they pick the days when the rona is in school and then send the kids in when the rona is on a day off. maybe the school can do a timetable

So basically, to these people, school is a child care facility and not about education and social growth at all.
“What is wrong with these people? “. I have no idea but it’s certainly not an excess of ability to think for oneself, that’s for sure.

One thing you absolutely need in school is continuity, with each lesson building on the one before.
How can you teach any subject sensibly if half the children are excluded all of the time, and half the other half some of the time?

I send my child in under the critical worker banner. She gets no lessons. They are minded and given some tasks but the P1 teacher works from home and uploads recorded lessons every day. So when my duagher comes home, she has to do these lessons a way. Takes about 3 hours.

It’s a child minding service to me and I don’t care who knows it.

It’s insane. After ten months of this shit you would think the message that children are not affected by this might have got through by now.

Well, I’m finally writing in the readers’ comments section which I’ve never been moved to before. I’ve been following the wise words of many of you: Annie (thanks for your heartfelt post yesterday), kh and the troubles in her café (where is it, can I come?), NorthumberlandNomad, Karenovirus, those posters who tell the trolls where to get off and many others. You have sustained me through these hateful dark days of civil liberties, freedom of speech and human rights being systematically stripped from a compliant and apparently unaware and manipulated people. I am very afraid for our future as mass unemployment and bankruptcies envelop us, as the education divide widens (by a State education which encourages a fearful workforce and a private sector which is fuelled by ambitious parents) and the declining general health of a nation through the massive catch up that the NHS will have for many years to come (if it survives at all). I was particularly appalled to read yesterday an article https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/13/what-are-the-harms-of-lockdown/ posted by someone (I can’t remember who, sorry) in which doctors from the Great Ormond Street stated that “the incidence of abusive head trauma in children arriving at their hospital had increased by 1,500% in the first month of lockdown (23rd March to 23rd April), when compared with the same period in preceding years. In other words, there was a 15-fold increase in children getting beaten so badly by their caregivers that they ended up in hospital with severe head trauma.”

Yesterday I delivered 405 anti-lockdown leaflets ( backtonormalrh@yahoo.com ). At the 406th a small angry elderly woman bustled up to me in full mask (in the middle of a country village with no one in sight) and introduced herself as the Chairman/woman/person (I can’t remember which) of the Parish Council (did this mean she was speaking for and on behalf of the whole village, I wonder). With a volley of abuse she told me I was “disseminating rubbish” and lots of other nasty little words people use when they haven’t much of a coherent argument. I refused to give her my name and address which she said was mandatory because I was leafletting illegally, but I agreed to step away from her housing development and set off back to the centre of the village. She obviously scurried back to her garage to pick up her car, for the next I see of her she’s skidding to a halt, leaping out and frantically taking photos of me. While she was moving her car from an irate delivery driver she’d blocked in, I managed to hide in the pub car park and whistled up my husband to collect me in his car. As we drove serenely out, there she was whirling round the centre of the village trying to find me. I wonder what the upshot of this will be? I suspect, when she’s found out who I am, presumably by posting my blurred photo on the village FaceBook page, she will send a deputation from the Parish Council to have a ‘quiet’ word with me. Hey ho.

A COVID vigilante!

Nutjobs. What do you do when psychopathy has gone mainstream?

My mate suggested you should have knocked her out as soon as she opened her mouth

If it had been a man I might have done lol.

Hopefully she doesn’t have a coronary and not be seen in time by our Covid-obssessed health system.

Much kudos to you, Rose. That takes guts.

Great post, welcome.

For anyone interested re. the figures, the increase in head trauma refers to an increase from a baseline for the month of 0.67 cases in the previous year, compared with 10 cases this year.

https://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2020/06/30/archdischild-2020-319872

Still 10 too many

Agreed, I wasn’t sharing it to make a point just provide full context for those interested.

In fairness, the MSM are prone to reporting BS such as 300% increase in COVID patients when face with the reality of moving from 4 patients to 16 patients.

So this loony so afraid of the virus was chasing you around the village. You couldn’t make it up.

This person told you that you were “disseminating rubbish” – You don’t say whether she had actually read it but I suspect the answer is No? This highlights the main problem I think. It doesn’t matter what you might say – minds are made up before you can even open your mouth.

That can actually trigger the likes of this lot if used effectively.

“It doesn’t matter what I say you won’t change your mind so pointless discussing.”

I get the impression that kh’s caff’s in Saffron Walden.

Please … coffee shop

You’re making a very brave stand for sanity there, kh….I was self employed for 39 years so I appreciate just how brave. Tres mucho admirazione from moi.

“The best exotic, friendly and covid hysteria free coffee shop in Essex”
There’s one for your blackboard KH!

I bet you do a mean Americano with hot milk (our favourite).

We try …

Just now, welcomed our first feline customer, unless of course, the rozzers are getting even more desperate – CatCam!

Yes, easily found on an internet search. Look for the trip advisor reviews moaning it’s not Covid secure!
I’m very much looking forward to a visit when I can manage to. It’s a little far away from Priti central but I hope to get there in Spring.

Can’t find it

Go to TripAdvisor. Search for “cafes in Saffron Walden” then search for 1-star reviews. It is the cafe with a one-star review saying “No masks No sanitiser No distancing No real attempt at contact tracing”.

It’s far better than that, of course; the review is simply the fastest way to find the cafe!

Odd that these concerns were not voiced in person, but then, that type never do. Only had two people actually say anything to me. Both were abusive and both are banned for life!

It must be me: I still can’t find it! This would come as no surprise to more or less everybody who knows me, though……

We will all meet there after the revolution.

It stops being about ‘the virus’ and is just about someone’s overweening self-importance. I’d like to bet she is completely ignorant of any studies into it and simply swallows everything she’s told by the MSM, BBC, Johnson, etc, and that’s enough ammunition for her to use in her sad little life.
We have to remember this is probably THE most exciting thing that’s ever happened to people like her!
You’re very courageous and admirable. She isn’t.

Hear, hear.

true, and this shitshow has demonstrated how many of these nasty self-important people there are. They have always been around being on this committee and that parish council but this has given them a platform to exhibit to the full their self-righteous nazi streak!

Well done Rose for distributing the leaflets – it take courage in these oppressive days. (p.s. the other ‘Rose’ on here was always leafletting in london but seems to have gone awol – loved hearing her stories)

There are masses of these nastly little people all over the country. One good thing about this is that we can see them for what they are. They are the same kind of people who leave a sticker on your windscreen asking you not to park in front of ‘their home’ even when its a public road.

Yes, it made me think of the other Rose. I hope she’s ok.

I thought it was that very Rosie for a minute. Comments have sorely missed her resiliance.

Agree, PP.
Community spirit: Read as: “Officious busy bodies and nosy parkers”.

I wonder how she squared her behaviour with the government’s guidance to stay at home?

Ah it does not apply to covid warriors.

This woman is the type who feels she is the ‘backbone of the nation’. Truth is she is a spineless jellyfish. The best thing to do with people like that is to walk towards them of course with no mask on…they then run off in terror of getting the virus lol.

I’m seeing Patricia Routledge in the role (in full, jowl-wobbling Hyacinth Bucket mode).

Welcome to the Island of the Day Before, Rose. You’re braver than I am.

Proof of the hysteria of the covid fanatics

A Parish Council?What the fuck she thinks this is, 1823 or an episode of Vicar of Dibbley? Who is she,nobody,she has NO authority to treaten you ot take pictures of you.I understand your distress but I would tell her to go fuck herself.Keep up the good work,in my eyes you are a hero !

Councillors tend to be a bit full of themselves (like the appalling Perkin getting her photo opportunity here outside the Leading Light ). The previous Con. lot (voted out to get Perkin in, be careful what you wish for!) called the cops on some chap taking the piss about ‘brown envelopes’.

As do school governors.

Sounds like harassment to me. I suppose her ‘defence’ is upholding the law but Plod always urge us not to take the law into our own hands.

Stand fast, RoseE.
Quiet word, eh? Say a few back.

I’m blown away by all your replies. Thank you. I shall keep you up to date as to what happens next…

Once upon a time a young lad got hit by a car outside, I saw it happen. He was OK but it was pretty alarming to watch. SO I set about trying to get a speed limit imposed in the residential street I live some drivers treated it like a challenging race track.

So I set about timing cars as they went through two points I had marked on the road to get an idea of how fast they were going, I timed them and wrote THE DATA down on a clip board.

Then this absolutely mental woman screeched to a halt and accused me of writing down number plates and she was the local neighbourhood watch person and that I would be reported and I had no right to take down numbers etc etc etc.

This woman was as thick as pig shit and now ranks as one of one of the nastiest people I have ever met.

There are a lot of these bastards about.

Don’t worry you haven’t committed a crime, just a crime against the covidian death cult.

The council did install their own speed monitoring equipment at my request and then did impose a 20 mph speed limit. I am sure the idiot woman wouldn’t know that it was me that got the child saving limits in place.

My God Almighty. Illegal leafleting??????

I’m a bit of an expert on communist era Czechoslovakia. (Translated books on it.) If you come into further contact with this commissar, please feel free to tell her from me, that she would have made an excellent communist official and should feel ashamed of herself.

What have we come to?

Thanks for leafleting.

I feel sure that Roger Scruton would have approved of your actions, Rose.

I don’t know if you were putting leaflets through letterboxes, but if you were, you were doing nothing illegal, so she was lying to you about “illegal leafleting”.

This link explains the legal situation.

https://leafletdrop.co.uk/LeafletDistributionandtheLaw

“next I see of her she’s skidding to a halt”

Sounds like a dangerous driver to me, I wonder if the pub (or someone else) has CCTV that might have captured her dangerous behaviour? You could post it online saying “does anyone know who this dangerous driver is?”, perhaps.

Yes, I did put the flyers through letterboxes, but I’m glad I have your reassurance on the matter. Thanks.

I delivered 190 around here last week. Managed to avoid any confrontations.

We are obviously getting under Neil O’Brien’s skin,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/17/id-love-to-ignore-covid-sceptics-and-their-tall-tales-but-they-make-a-splash-and-have-no-shame

Stubborn fuckers aren’t we?

And hopefully always will be!

Random pictures of ambulances just lined up, obviously included by a lazy picture editor to increase the shock factor, does this article no favours but I think it’s the lazy journalism of the author that really sinks it. He cherry picks details to suit his narrow view and calls people ‘COVID sceptics’ instead of Lockdown sceptics. This is the lazy part – making out those who disagree with government policy to be denying there is a virus in the first place rather than a call for reason, balance, common sense, logic, debate etc etc. From now on, I’m calling out these journalists as ‘lazy’ for not doing their jobs properly but simply parroting what the government and SAGE say. They are a disgrace to journalism.

I cannot understand why you call them lazy. They seem (to me) to be extremely busy in pushing the official lies and misrepresentations and equivocations; the smears and character assassinations; the moral panic, the fear-mongering and hysteria.

Yes, they learned their trade ‘reporting’ on Thermageddon.

This is so true. Above the line today the Doctor has gone to great lengths to vakdiate the claims of that NHS nurse and the BBC, something which they clearly didn’t do before they said what they did, and he found nothing to back it up.

So what do the likes of O Neill want here? For such DRs to just shut up and join in on the hysteria? Zealots. Couldn’t be a better word for them in my mind.

A good antidote to despair and defeatism.

I understand that Norway has stopped vaxxing elderly people because of the high post vaccination death rate.

Also I understand that people are developing allergies after being vaxxed.

Don’t get vaccinated then. Simples.

No, no! They must get vaccinated; we must not.

That way, we show how caring we are, while allowing them to get rid of themselves if there are any long-term effects, and also acting as a mass-vaccine trial for us to examine the results.

I see no downside, here.

They really do need to get on with it.

Well done all those Patriotic Norweigens in light of the existential COVID threat. All of 500 deaths amongst a population of 5.3M

Hope Sweden take notice!

What I have heard of Sweden this week they remember swine flu and narcolepsy very well and have no intention to do the same mistake again.

Spot on

https://mobile.twitter.com/linmagic/status/1350336070475526145

“Person with no symptoms, feeling perfectly fine, goes for a test for an illness they don’t have, using a not fit-for-purpose test, comes away telling others they have an illness they don’t actually have? Has there been anything madder than this in human history?”

Witch trials?

When I was at school The Crucible was all the rage because of HUAC. All that seems very relevant now.

Being forced to have a vaccine against the dread disease?

Lord Sumption on BBC Nicky Campbell show now but he appears very much alone at present with no back up scientist or clinician.

Indeed. The likes of Carl Heneghan, Sunetra Gupta and Michael Levitt have been worryingly quiet of late.

Suspect Heneghan is in the process of proving the false positive rate for the PCR test

Then the whole shit show falls apart

We can only hope

It doesn’t. The FPR issue is a red herring.

We know there are FPs but we also know there is a trend. It is the trajectory of that trend which is important.

ZOE confirms that trend. In fact ZOE is the leading indicator of that trend.

What counts is not so much the FPR but that the PCR has been inappropriately used.

The trajectory of the trend reflects the seasonality of coronaviruses.

Self-reported symptoms are subjective and therefore pointless.

Correction Dr John Lee is on too.

I think John Lee gets my vote as best commentator/critic throughout this whole thing. Perfect balance of science, reason and humanity. Sumption deserves huge credit for taking a stand from a legal and civil rights point of view.

And Lord Sumption on the non-scientific side. A giant amongst thinkers. Sadly the pygmies take no notice.

Agree, having recently lost his wife (pre covid) makes it a bit harder for zealots to attack too.

Agree.Both are on my heroes list.

Sadly, too short a programme.
My wife (non sceptic) thought it reasonably well balanced.
I would have liked a statistician on it because so much of the debate (or lack of it) is in the numbers.
One video participanr referred to 100000 deaths without challenge and claimed the foundation of anti lockdown positions was eugenics – the last point robustly rebutted by Lord Sumption.
However, overall a better attempt to allow differing views to the official line to be aired, some from the harmed constituencies such as students, mental health etc.
It would have needed much longer and a structured agenda to be a better debate.
But then, even if it had been, how many viewers would drop their blinkers and start thinking for themselves?
We live in hope.

I would have thought that letting old people die was the opposite of eugenics…

he was a bit of a weirdo, seemed to have lots of conspiracy theories too. He was basically cut of in the end.

DR Death Callum Semple there to, all the character of a dead haddock, no empathy, just plough on regardless with the party line. Disagreeing and dismissing with perfectly sensible points raise by a GP. We do not need your opinion Mr Semple however highly you regard yourself.

Siamo Aperti! Great words to hear – what? what?

Forza!

How dare you. Minus 50 social credit points.

‘Pulcinella’ calzone from takeaway being operated by local Italian last night. Cooked by the boss in the proper oven and handed to me by the pretty waitress. A start at least. Couldn’t buy any wine so had to make do with nice Primitivo from Puglia from Morrisions.

Meraviglia!

The lockdown zealots have a lot in common with politicians- most notably a disgusting lack of respect for our elderly.
Since when did vulnerable/elderly = unable to absorb health-related information, and make an informed choice about how best to lead their lives?
The virtue signallers claiming to be saving lives by adhering to the rules are equal parts feeble-minded and arrogant…they are living, deficiently-oxygenated, paradoxes.
How many vulnerable folk are likely to thank them, if it ever even occurs to them to enquire from atop their ivory towers?
My findings are both inspiring and heartbreaking, having enquired of elderly relatives, and those of friends.
Unanimously, they wish for normality….covid risk and all. I’ve heard expressed anger, insult, sadness, loneliness, and guilt. The latter because they can perfectly see the adverse effects from lockdowns on their younger loved ones, implemented entirely unbidden in their name. It’s an aspect that should have been obvious, and yet hadn’t occurred to me.
The chicken shit zealots are projecting their terror onto those who are undaunted, either through a genuine, media-propagated fear of death, or of returning to their empty and anonymous pre-lockdown existences.
Either way, they need to be ignored. Anger and/or pity would be focusing attention upon a group who have, thus far, proved themselves undeserving.
I’ve spent the past couple of weeks alternating between fury and despair- wanting to scream from rooftops, and accost outdoor mask-wearers. Upon reflection….what a waste of emotion. Fuck winning them over! Nobody led us here by the nose. If they deserve a place amongst us, they’ll find their own way. If not, then the likes of BJ, and his vinegar-lactating counterpart in Holyrood, are welcome to them.
However, I’ve becoming disheartened by what I deem to be an ineffectual approach to counter this madness at the top level. Are any of us convinced that they truly believe the errant bile they peddle, that their imposed measures are effective, or at the very least, well-meaning, yet misguided?
I don’t know what their objective is but my gut tells me that the longer it drags on, the better it serves them. That aside, why the fuck should we be the ones playing defence, meekly delivering irrefutable reason in the face of delirium?
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
This quote has been repeatedly cited to highlight the absurdity of lockdowns, and yet I feel it’s now equally attributable to the countermeasures of sceptics.
Is there hope of winning through, staying the current course?

That’s what hurts me greatly. Nobody gets a voice in this. Except Gabriel Scallywag and his ilk. Michie and Greenlaugh high on my list anyway

Only socialists demand justification for individual autonomy & freedom. My only response to that authoritarianism of lockdown, is no one should have the right to take one man’s freedom for another man’s safety.

I don’t have to or should I need to offer a defence for my freedom!

If people are terrified of breathing unfiltered air in social environments my freedom doesn’t stop them cowering from life & hiding from a virus under their beds & if granny (who has lived her life) is worried about covid she can hide in her home too.

One man’s “rights” takes away another man’s freedoms!

I say fuck right off to covid hysteria.

Are any of us convinced that they truly believe the errant bile they peddle, that their imposed measures are effective, or at the very least, well-meaning, yet misguided?

It is perplexing and hard to believe, but I reckon that a good number of politicians are quite simply dim. Here in CH parliamentarians were asked where they get their Covid info from. Large majority: the media.

And the ‘journalists’? Well, also dim, I’m afraid.

At the ‘conspiracy’/WEF level, I think a lot of people genuinely think they are ‘saving the planet/humankind. And then, the ends (saving lives/the planet) justifies the means (propaganda, enormous suffering, ‘collateral damage).

So now they are looking at ‘quarantine hotels’ for all returning passengers like in NZ.
As if people’s lives aren’t miserable enough, or they haven’t quite killed the tourist industry enough. Of course their mates and all those lovely ‘exempted’ persons who clearly couldn’t have the virus, will not be subject to this.
Honestly, I believe this whole scam is playing towards the green agenda with every new piece of the jigsaw being moved into place. They really don’t want the serfs to travel which will be restricted to the rich and privileged.

Tourist and airline industries proving to be too resilient. Must… kill them… faster

The airline industry has been awfully quiet. Makes you wonder what’s been agreed?

It has. I work in it and my company briefly tried to push for the abolition of the quarantine period in favour of rapid airport testing (not my preferred solution of course, I would scrap the lot, but better than no business at all).

Lately, everyone seems to be on message. Airlines UK, the trade body for UK airlines said that it supports the current measures provided that they are ended at the right time. This statement came about at almost exactly the same time that the supermarkets changed policy on masks.

Who knows what has been said at the highest levels? It isn’t shared with us plebs, that’s for sure!

Yes, it certainly doesn’t make any sense that the airline industry are not at least screaming for an end date to these restrictions. This is the shit that hopefully is exposed after this. Follow the money follow the shady deals.

Ryan Air are expanding their fleet. Bilderberg attendee Ryan. Just saying.

Be a good time to invest in their stock perhaps.