2021-01-18

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363308 Stephen Priest, replying to Stephen Priest, 37, #1 of 2062 🔗

No Restrictions in Sweden in 2020 – What Was the Result?
Sanity 4 Sweden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpkgfvsrVvQ
If restrictions has nothing to do with saving lives, what is it about?

363326 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Stephen Priest, 16, #2 of 2062 🔗

As if we didn’t know!

363409 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Stephen Priest, 27, #3 of 2062 🔗

Belarus, South Dakota, Florida, Tanzania. There are good case examples now of why LDs in Western countries are failures.

363943 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to FerdIII, 7, #4 of 2062 🔗

Vodka and saunas. That’s the way to do covid.

364008 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to FerdIII, 7, #5 of 2062 🔗

Video posted a few days ago from Florida health care worker told to prepare for covid wave next week. When asks how you you know what’s going to happen next week, her manager just said “You know what’s going on by now”

Anyway expect them to smash the Florida non lock down narrative soon.

363754 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Stephen Priest, 3, #6 of 2062 🔗

Sweden had fewer restrictions, not no restrictions at all!

363874 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to GCarty80, 11, #7 of 2062 🔗

A heck of a lot fewer.

364405 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to GCarty80, 12, #8 of 2062 🔗

Recommendations rather than laws- up to individuals to make their own decisions, for the most part…

365300 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Carrie, 1, #9 of 2062 🔗

Nice to see you back, Carrie. 🙂

363309 Stephen Priest, 19, #10 of 2062 🔗

100’s Of Polish Business’s To DEFY Lockdown / Hugo Talks #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tE_RLkErRk&list=WL&index=72

363311 Stephen Priest, 7, #11 of 2062 🔗

The Rich Get Richer, And The Poor Pay – Moral Issues?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6yhTzMe_CI&list=WL&index=66
Gates – Zuckerberg – BBC – Banks etc

Godfrey Bloom Official

363312 Stephen Priest, 14, #12 of 2062 🔗

THOUSANDS Gather In Amsterdam Against Lockdown / Hugo Talks #lockdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bECnApFt7nc&list=WL&index=70

363313 Stephen Priest, replying to Stephen Priest, 12, #13 of 2062 🔗

Concerns mount as Norway investigates link between Pfizer vaccine and 30 fatalities

Sky News Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHawQajDWlc

Australian authorities are seeking urgent clarification from their Norwegian counterparts in the wake of disturbing reports that 30 elderly people died shortly after receiving their first shot of the Pfizer vaccine.

Norwegian medical experts have stated they could not rule out a possible link between the side effects of nausea and fever and the subsequent deaths of the patients in question.

The TGA said it received reports of the deaths from over 40,000 elderly individuals in Norway who were vaccinated with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and released a statement to reassure Australians.

“The deaths were recorded among very frail patients including some which were anticipated to only have weeks or months to live,” the statement read.

The chief vaccine regulator said it will continue to work with European regulators to investigate “any possible adverse risks” associated with COVID-19 vaccines, adding a warning could be added to the Pfizer vaccine label for people who are frail.

The Pfizer vaccine is currently set to be the first coronavirus vaccine released in Australia with 10 million doses on order.

Health Minister Greg Hunt advised Australia will proceed with and “abundance of caution” when it comes to the rollout of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine but indicated “no changes” have been made to the distribution schedule.

363357 ▶▶ danny, replying to Stephen Priest, 43, #14 of 2062 🔗

So they see no link
as most of the patients had only “weeks or months left to live” anyway.
Could be attributed to the vaccine, could not. But when somebody in that same category test “positive” for Covid, it is absolutely what then kills them, and within a calendar month.

363370 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to danny, 14, #15 of 2062 🔗

I am waiting for the government to start publishing vaccine related death figures.

363374 ▶▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #16 of 2062 🔗

Yes so am I. They put a tender out for a company to manage and track these ‘yellow cards’ but can we find this info anywhere – no. In the USA the percentage of adverse reactions mild or otherwise is 2.3%. We have vaccinated 3million people now – even 2% equates to many thousands of reactions. Uuuummm extra hospital admissions all down to Cv19 cases?

363880 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Thomasina, 5, #17 of 2062 🔗

The vaccines are meant to kill a few months down the road, which is so much better for plausible deniability. It seems though, that there are too many people dying too early and big trouble ahead.

363905 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Rowan, #18 of 2062 🔗

If this site gets closed down, it will be rubbish like that that enables it.

364190 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Coronabonus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #19 of 2062 🔗

Are we not into free speech around here?

364296 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #20 of 2062 🔗

Yeah but ‘vaccines stop the spread’ is ok ?

365364 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #21 of 2062 🔗

I don’t trust the folks promoting the vaccines when they at the same time go on about population reduction

363876 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Hayes, #22 of 2062 🔗

There seems to be a great reluctance to do that and no wonder.

364557 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Steve Hayes, #23 of 2062 🔗

I think they’ll be keeping that info well and truly hidden.

364649 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #24 of 2062 🔗

They will be included under covid deaths. They will justify that (only when asked using the right verbiage) by saying that if it hadn’t been for covid, there would be no need for a vaccine, hence covid is the ultimate cause of death.

363900 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to danny, 8, #25 of 2062 🔗

If a patient has weeks to live, why on Earth vaccinate them? Indonesia is correct. They should be vaccinating the active, young, healthy ( volunteer ) population to stop the spread.

364130 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #26 of 2062 🔗

Glad you got the volunteer bit in. But in what way would the active, young, healthy population benefit from vaccination?
And there is not even an assertion that the vaccine ‘stops the spread’…

364135 ▶▶▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #28 of 2062 🔗

That sounds dangerously like common sense.

364293 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #29 of 2062 🔗

The vaccines do not ‘stop the spread’.

365336 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to JohnB, #30 of 2062 🔗
364546 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #31 of 2062 🔗

The virus is close to, if not already, endemic, more or less indistinguishable from a seasonal flu. It is too late to ‘stop the spread’.

365213 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #32 of 2062 🔗

Human beings should not be recruited into trials of experimental drugs without very serious psychological profiling to ensure they understand what they are signing up for! Sure you agree! To do anything else is utterly unethical.

364458 ▶▶▶ Jane C in France, replying to danny, 3, #33 of 2062 🔗

Why on earth vaccinate somebody who has only weeks or months left to live? It makes no sense.

365216 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Jane C in France, 1, #34 of 2062 🔗

Why on earth vaccinate a young person who had almost ZERO chance of developing let along DYING of Covid?!

364529 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to danny, 3, #35 of 2062 🔗

Any death within 28 days of taking the vaccine should constitute a vaccine death according to New Normal Medicine.

364145 ▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to Stephen Priest, 5, #36 of 2062 🔗

“The deaths were recorded among very frail patients including some which were anticipated to only have weeks or months to live,”

So ‘meh, fuck it they were gonna die anyway’?

But wait…. isn’t this actually worse than what Sumption said?

Surely not….

363314 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 17, #37 of 2062 🔗

Members of the police Service are attested under section 29 of the Police Act 1996 .

The oath, as follows:

I, … of … do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people ; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.

Constables in Scotland are required to make the declaration given in s.10 of the Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Act 2012

I, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office of constable with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality,and that I will uphold fundamental human rights and accord equal respect to all people, according to law.

363315 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #38 of 2062 🔗

Covid1984 protest!

363333 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Anti_socialist, 20, #39 of 2062 🔗

I bet his mum’s proud.

363346 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to kh1485, 20, #40 of 2062 🔗

She seems pleased

363402 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #41 of 2062 🔗

Waste of a uniform

363437 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 6, #42 of 2062 🔗

Waste of a skin, too.

363804 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #43 of 2062 🔗

Waste of everything.

363604 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Cecil B, 4, #44 of 2062 🔗

Waste of oxygen.

363638 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #45 of 2062 🔗

Scissor me timbers

363886 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #46 of 2062 🔗

She’s a dick.

364480 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Rowan, #47 of 2062 🔗

She has a dick!

364238 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Anti_socialist, #48 of 2062 🔗

Is she the most NLP’d woman in Britain?

364522 ▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Anti_socialist, #49 of 2062 🔗

She should be shamed

363685 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to kh1485, 1, #50 of 2062 🔗

She probably asked him why he’s not wearing a muzzle. ”They’ll think I don’t keep you nice”.

363436 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #51 of 2062 🔗

Spot the mistake, lol. Street fighters and martial artists should know it immediately.

We can use police tactics against them, with a little discipline.

363630 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #52 of 2062 🔗

please explain Mr Miyagi san..
Wipe on……. wipe off…….. wipe on…..

363704 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to mj, 4, #53 of 2062 🔗

1. Keep your teeth/jaw clamped shut.
2. Target the knees first.
3. Don’t telegraph strikes.
4. Beware cameras/cctv.

363784 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mj, 2, #54 of 2062 🔗

Pulling arm back to swing baton. Tut, tut. All protestor needs do is step forward into copper’s personal space…

364551 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Nick Rose, #55 of 2062 🔗

A slight tap to the goolies would drop the copper sharpish.

363316 chaos, replying to chaos, 86, #56 of 2062 🔗

I’ve not left my home since October.. not once. Not because I am scared of a virus. But because seeing people in pointless Davos/Johnson coup imposed masks, hearing shouts of ‘mask Sir?!” and fear of police harassing me for not wearing a mask and people moving far from me as I walk past freaks me out…

True story.

363320 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to chaos, 18, #57 of 2062 🔗

I find that very sad

363321 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Judy Watson, 30, #58 of 2062 🔗

Sad, but totally understandable.

363325 ▶▶ Annie, replying to chaos, 63, #59 of 2062 🔗

Yes, nappy goons are horrible, horrible. But if you can get out into the country you won’t see them, only Nature sensibly getting on with Life. Even now, in beastly January, Nature is stirring. Is that an option for you?

363360 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 7, #60 of 2062 🔗

Nature is at its lowest point now. But unseen everything is reviving.

363379 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TJN, 11, #61 of 2062 🔗

There are some daffodils out hereabouts!

363444 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 4, #62 of 2062 🔗

And here. My favourite flower.

363709 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Annie, 11, #63 of 2062 🔗

And snowdrops and primroses in our sad little churchyard, around our poor, abandoned, neglected church.

365366 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Annie, #64 of 2062 🔗

Oh man we don’t get those for at least another 2 months!

363724 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Annie, 16, #65 of 2062 🔗

We need a community-driven app/online service that alerts people to where police are doing their stop-checks. That way we can go where we want with confidence we won’t be harassed/punished. The notion we can spread a virus in the hills of the countryside is obscene.

364185 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, 5, #66 of 2062 🔗

Yes I am seeing bulbs coming through and more bid activity. I think both quickly pick up on the longer days. When I watch nature I always think they are the sensible ones…its humans who are totally screwed up. They act as though life is for the living now.

363383 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to chaos, 36, #67 of 2062 🔗

I find it very depressing to see masks/fear expressions/etc that are around us at present. But we need to go out and demonstrate that there are people around moving around as freely as normal/with normal expressions on our faces/not wearing masks. Add that I know I feel better for having been out getting a bit of exercise and having whatever chats I have with people. So I think it’s something that needs doing for us to Get Out and About in our normal sort of way (rather than the Covid-scared way so many others are) and to do this both for our own sake and for other peoples sake.

363712 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to ElizaP, 19, #68 of 2062 🔗

And try to smile at the muzzlers – beam at them, make eye contact, speak to them, normally, and then they just MIGHT be reminded how good it is to make human contact.

363411 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to chaos, 4, #69 of 2062 🔗

Very sad but I don’t blame you.

363451 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to chaos, 47, #70 of 2062 🔗

That’s very understandable. I, now, force myself to go out for a daily long walk round my local market town and park, with a dog, sans mask. Seeking to keep myself and the dog socialised. Refusing to stay home. However, the COVID swerves, maskerbation (in fresh air) and myriad posters/stickers exhorting be kind, stay safe, save lives, stay at home, keep distance, wash hands (I never sanitize and refuse to voluntarily strip my immune system), go this way, not that, save the nhs – and the mask raisers (when walking past me) etc…all that crap…make the experience a dystopian one.

364196 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 16, #71 of 2062 🔗

I take my pliers with me and remove notices when ever I can.

365036 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #72 of 2062 🔗

LOL…..a few notices/police tape/etc might possibly have gone mysteriously missing too by sheer coincidence when I’ve gone out for a walk since Lockdown started.

365373 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #73 of 2062 🔗

“Maskerbation” 😆 😃 😜 😂 🤣 😛

363525 ▶▶ Felice, replying to chaos, 24, #74 of 2062 🔗

I too hate the sight of people in their masks, but I cannot stay inside all the time or I would seriously damage my mental health. My solution is to go for a walk around my town centre around dusk, when it is absolutely dead. Very few people around and so few mask wearers. It’s sad to see the town so quiet, with most shops shut, but far more preferable to being outside earlier in my mask mad town.

364388 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Felice, 11, #75 of 2062 🔗

Yes I feel the same…. its just zombie city and no doubt better at the end of the day. Funny how people claim to be wearing their masks ‘for you’ but never think about the impact on your mental health of seeing maskoid zombies everywhere.

365375 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Felice, #76 of 2062 🔗

I have a really hard time suppressing sheep noises whenever I see people outside walking by themselves with masks on. Quite frequently a BAAAAAA or two slips out

363543 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to chaos, 22, #77 of 2062 🔗

There is literally only the outdoors left now supermarkets have jumped on the Jon Sun crazy train. So go there if you can. Virtually no masks or swerving ninnies there just normal people (though I do wonder if that useless tub of lard stinking out No10 brings in an outdoor mask diktat they would start wearing them too.) Seeing the cycles of nature going on as normal and feeling even January sun on your face is a wonderful restorer.

364290 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #78 of 2062 🔗

Jon Sun crazy train

Jon Scum crazy train???

363584 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to chaos, 24, #79 of 2062 🔗

That’s so sad Chaos. Honestly, those people do exist but there are not so many of them. The distancing in my town centre and paths is now just what one would normally allow to be polite and very, very few wear masks to walk or exercise in. Stay out of shops, yes, I get that, but please don’t let the mask stasi win.

363725 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fiona Walker, 13, #80 of 2062 🔗

I agree. We can all do our very small bit. We can go out and SMILE at them, let them see you holding your head up and breathing deeply of the good fresh air. Remind them what being human is all about.
(I find that very hard to do myself – but I can see the benefit of it.)

364040 ▶▶▶▶ sam club, replying to Banjones, 4, #81 of 2062 🔗

that’s what i do too i ve been making a ponit of taking especially deep breaths of air when go by a masked believer . it makes me feel better for both reasons, fresh air and hopefully annoying them or scaring them anyway

364165 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Banjones, 2, #82 of 2062 🔗

Smiley badges required!

363679 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to chaos, 24, #83 of 2062 🔗

On Saturday night, me and my fiancée went for a walk around town to get some fresh air outside our cage. Lots of people out walking the same route and generally pleasant and normal.

That was until we came to a cross-road where another couple in their late fifties appeared from the adjoining path. They stopped dead in their tracks, turned around and slowly walked back the way they’d come. Once we were past the crossroad, I looked back to see that they’d turned around again and continued to walk down the route where we had been.

In other words, they were scared to walk past us.

363698 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to J4mes, 11, #84 of 2062 🔗

When we walk through our village there are some who do the coervid leap, or stand well out of the way on the verge, or even in the road. It’s difficult NOT to say ”thank you” as they’re (by their own lights) being courteous and not doing it to make a point. But I must say, the words stick in my craw.

363837 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Banjones, 4, #85 of 2062 🔗

Yes, it’s like a reformed etiquette of politeness. I make sure that if I do thank them for leaping out my way or standing far away on an embankment, that I do so at a very minimal acknowledgement.

363838 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Banjones, 16, #86 of 2062 🔗

Round here (the High Peak) the swerving has increased to levels which outdo those during ‘Lockdown’ #1. Worse still, some people actually cower away from us out in the country even though we’re nowhere near them. Our policy is never to thank them (and, yes, it is hard for us to break a life-time of conditioning to be polite. It doesn’t seem to have taken them long at all as I am quite sure their only motivation is misplaced, hysterical self-preservation.)

Just before the latest escalation of the fear-porn started, Alan G was on a footbridge and a young woman decided to start climbing the stairs towards him. When he got level with her, she actually turned her back on him!

A small cafe has taken virtue signalling to the next level. They are closed until ‘Infections fall’. After Derbyshire Plod picked on those 2 women for drinking coffee outside, all the usual picnickers at the canal basins vanished off the face of the earth. Such nice, caring, obedient people us High-Peakers!

The only good news is that outdoor face-knicker wearing does not (yet) seem to have increased. Also, on Saturday. we spotted 2 or 3 people having a sneaky picnic in a shelter just off the village green Later, we drank our coffee at the bus stop and nobody batted an eyelid. MW

363928 ▶▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 21, #87 of 2062 🔗

FFS, why are we being so wet and pathetic when businesses in Italy and Poland are trying to open up and there are riots in Amsterdam? Why are we so weak and servile?

363968 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to HoMojo, 18, #88 of 2062 🔗

Our view of the English (and now, it seems, it’s the British) is that, give or take some shining exceptions over the years we’ve essentially been a nation of forelock-tuggers since the Norman conquest. In recent decades are have also begun suffering horribly from what we call the ‘Curse of Nice’. which seems to have folded perfectly into the ‘Curse of Woke’.

We have always considered ourselves to be left-ish but ‘Woke’ politics and now this shit-show have transformed our world-view beyond recall.

The gas-fitter has just arrived, wearing a muzzle. We invited him to remove it which he did – with alacrity! We have to nurture these little sparks of hope. . . . . .MW

364012 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 13, #89 of 2062 🔗

I couldn’t agree more and it pains me. ‘Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.’ I don’t need the jingoism but the image of us as a defiant nation seems to be at odds with the evidence. The Battle of Britain spirit may have once existed but eighty years on I see us a capitulating at the slightest threat. We are rule-keepers, not rule- breakers. I used to love the stories of the Celts etc defying the English (and I’m English.) No longer, not for just moral and ethical reasons anyway..

364400 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 8, #90 of 2062 🔗

Maybe the ‘Blitz Spirit’ was always mythology or maybe earlier generations were very different to current ones. I feel deeply ashamed of the people I share a country with at the moment. I honestly think they would go along with anything…and to think Johnson at first thought the public might not cooperate with lockdown.

364547 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 11, #91 of 2062 🔗

Every working blokes doing jobs in and around our house have been sceptical and funny as well, one geezer servicing our gas fires went on protests and watched UK Column…they live in the real world and have to make a living..

364764 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #92 of 2062 🔗

I always, always say “Oh don’t bother putting one on for me, it’s not necessary”. Getting a dig in at the unnecessary as well as emphasising my scepticism.

364504 ▶▶▶▶ Jane C in France, replying to Banjones, 8, #93 of 2062 🔗

On a walk the other day I met a woman whose daughter was at primary school with my son ten years ago. When I went up to her to say hello she put on her mask. We were out in the fresh air, I was keeping my distance, there was nobody else around yet she put on her mask. I was going to say she didn’t have to, I didn’t mind, but then I realised she was scared of me.

365041 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Banjones, 4, #94 of 2062 🔗

I just give them a puzzled look personally – as in “Why on earth are you moving so far away from me? I don’t understand”.

364153 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to J4mes, 12, #95 of 2062 🔗

I want to take a bell with me and shake it whilst chanting ‘Unclean, unclean’.

364766 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mutineer, 3, #96 of 2062 🔗

What a brilliant idea for a protest!

365376 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Mutineer, #97 of 2062 🔗

🤣 😛 🤣 😃 😜 😛 🤣 😃 😜 😂

363689 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to chaos, 17, #98 of 2062 🔗

It’s an insult to the intelligence of all thinking people. We KNOW these muzzles are useless and only a badge of servitude. I know exactly how you feel.

363760 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to chaos, 9, #99 of 2062 🔗

You will have to get out for mental health purposes. Get close to nature and enjoy that

363895 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to chaos, 6, #100 of 2062 🔗

Go out and revel in your masklessness.

364017 ▶▶ sam club, replying to chaos, 6, #101 of 2062 🔗

is it possible for you to go out when the maddening mask wearer s are n’t out? bad weather rain , cold out . it keeps them away and you can enjoy a nice walk around some nature .
its my favorite time to go for a walk. i dont balme you i hate the masks but i also enjoy somehwat going for a walk a round the mask wearers just to show them i’m not wearing one ! and smile at fellow non mask wearers and even the masked ones.

364152 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to chaos, 6, #102 of 2062 🔗

Trust you’re keeping up with the Vit D!
Not everyone can be on the barricades (as it were), but I’m sure you are doing your bit in your own way.

364182 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to chaos, 2, #103 of 2062 🔗

All those things happen sadly.

364285 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to chaos, 13, #104 of 2062 🔗

Sainsbury this morning. Two other regulars, just a little chat … “ If they want me to mask up, they can have my lungs. ” from one of them. Then surprise, young lady employee, shelf stacker(?), maskless and with a magic smile. Checkout lady … no muzzle and pleasant conversation.

Infuriated that such events should even merits comment.

364563 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to chaos, 4, #105 of 2062 🔗

I’m much the same. I try to get out for a walk every day (weather permitting) but otherwise I haven’t left the house since October either. I’m pretty sure that my immune system has retired and that I’ll pick up every virus and bug there is once I’m back in the human soup.

363317 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 9, #106 of 2062 🔗

Missed again. Here in the zones we have red, orange, yellow and green..
Green zones all movements and bars/restaurants unrestricted access.
Yellow zone(which I am in) free movements but the bars are supposed to close at midnight(they don’t).
Orange zone? – I haven’t a clue.
Red zone no bars and restaurants to close at 9pm.

Travel restricted between zones especially the red zones but no problems if you are transiting through a red zone to get to your own zone.

Of course this being Thailand things could change rapidly.

Cheers

363324 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Judy Watson, 20, #107 of 2062 🔗

A year ago, that would have sounded awful, and people like Starmer would have been bellowing about oppression and iniquity.
Now, in Britain, even life in your red zone sounds like modified bliss. You have restaurants ?

363329 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 9, #108 of 2062 🔗

And art galleries. The virus only spreads in places that Buddhist morality finds awkward.

363339 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Annie, 18, #109 of 2062 🔗

Yup – and parties!!!! was at one last week – I reckon about 45 of us all together, crammed into a small restaurant and standing out in the street. No masksn no anti-social distancing smoking and drinking at the same time allowed.
Despite all the problems here life is good and most people who I speak to say thankfully we are here – not in xyz.

363344 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Judy Watson, 6, #110 of 2062 🔗

Very much agreed.

363350 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Judy Watson, 5, #111 of 2062 🔗

Long may you and your friends continue.

363533 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Judy Watson, 5, #112 of 2062 🔗

Oh how I miss Thailand..We go there at least once every 2 years as my wife used to live there and my daughters godmother is Thai Radio presenter 🙂 Not sure when I will see it again, if this vaccine passport comes into paly probably never again.

363334 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Judy Watson, 5, #113 of 2062 🔗

Red and green are both nice, but the orange zone is much underrated, I think. It’s not as spicy as yellow and it has a rich sourness that goes particularly well with fish. But my favourite is definitely the jungle zone. Lots of herbs and vegetables, fierce sweaty heat and stock from bones instead of coconut milk. Plus I’d rather take my chances with a white-lipped pit viper than a Thai public official.

363343 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #114 of 2062 🔗

No worries. You only get white-lipped pit vipers in the UK.

363352 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 3, #115 of 2062 🔗

What about the ones with 2 legs?

363381 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #116 of 2062 🔗

They all have.

363636 ▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Annie, #117 of 2062 🔗

I must have misread your comment Annie. Was the “pit” vipers a result of predictive text? 🙂

364187 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Burlington, 1, #118 of 2062 🔗

No, just early morning enhanced stupid.

363318 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 29, #119 of 2062 🔗

The mandatory hotel quarantine into the UK is particularly inane as frankly, the UK is seen as a covid failure by many and so countries have shut borders to the UK.

363323 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Caramel, 25, #120 of 2062 🔗

Wonder how that will work in June when all the G7 delegates and their no doubt huge numbers of staff and bodyguards arrive!

363361 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to bluemoon, 11, #121 of 2062 🔗

Yes, going right down into the Land of the Saints as far as Penwith. That lot are about as far from the true spirit of Cornwall as it is possible to imagine.

And they won’t see, still less give a damn, about the widespread economic hardship that afflicts Cornwall today.

363380 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to TJN, 11, #122 of 2062 🔗

Cornwall is however very ‘green’ – given the amount of rain falling!
And no doubt celebrity chefs are even as we speak putting together delicious menus to showcase Cornwall’s food (no food miles you see) including the abundant fish swimming off our shores (thanks to the fish markets being closed ‘cos covid’) caught by the few fishing boats still operating (thanks to EU regulations).
God I’m cynical this morning.

363572 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to bluemoon, 9, #123 of 2062 🔗

Hard not to be cynical about that lot.

I heard from one supplier that although foreign markets for their Cornish fish had been greatly decreased, they were readily finding new markets in the UK, and shifting all they needed to. On its own it’s just an anecdote, but I wonder how true it is of the bigger picture. Good news if it is, as fish is good for you, and contains Vit. D which is good for you know what …

363749 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to TJN, 5, #124 of 2062 🔗

Exactly TJN. Perhaps they will take a drive through Camborne and Redruth to get the real Cornwall. ‘Yeah sorry we shafted the fishing industry but hey here’s a one-off sop to keep you oiks happy’. Since the supply chains for holiday catering are down it’s going to need a one-off effort, no doubt with the labour and supplies mostly brought in from elsewhere. (Cornish expat in the North of England.) KBV.

364154 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 6, #125 of 2062 🔗

I love Cornwall, am part Cornish myself, worked there doing student jobs (boring, hard graft for almost no money – I have never since been able to sit in a restaurant and not think about the staff out the back), and live just across the border. There are two Cornwalls today, and you don’t see much of the non-holiday home one in the MSM.

Another example of today’s middle-class-liberal-elite not giving a damn, and which I think is going to come back to bite them soon.

365066 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to bluemoon, 2, #126 of 2062 🔗

Exceptions will be made.

365301 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to bluemoon, 3, #127 of 2062 🔗

On a positive note: for all these Reset knobs to come to Cornwall, they will have to relax the lockdown and quarantine rules briefly. Look for a brief freedom window before getting banged up again by the cuntocracy.

365308 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #128 of 2062 🔗

Cuntocracy ” is the perfect term for our new system of governance.

365378 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Richard O, #129 of 2062 🔗

I’m learning some interesting new words here 🤣

363667 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Caramel, 8, #130 of 2062 🔗

Is this just a way of stopping people flying on holiday? Or just for people coming in from another country? 7 days in Portugal, 14 nights in Stanstead sounds dreamy! Shame the still let all the migrants in on boats and the tunnel. Do the think airports are the only way into the country?

363790 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Caramel, 6, #131 of 2062 🔗

I don’t get it. Do people not understand that this means the effective locking in of people, the end of foreign travel?

Who is going to want to quarantine in isolation for 2 weeks just to on holiday? Or for a meeting?

365000 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to stewart, 3, #132 of 2062 🔗

You clearly do “get it”. The end of foreign travel IS the idea.

365379 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to RichardJames, #133 of 2062 🔗

Except of course for the globalist elite filth. Because some are more equal than others

363319 chaos, replying to chaos, 18, #134 of 2062 🔗

What will they do next?

No jab = no hospital treatment. Coming soon….

363322 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to chaos, 9, #135 of 2062 🔗

Or, no jab = not allowed to open your business properly …

363327 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to chaos, 17, #136 of 2062 🔗

No mask, no hospital treatment here. And we all know the mask was the gateway drug to the “vaccine.” Unfortunately, nothing surprises me anymore.

363331 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to chaos, 11, #137 of 2062 🔗

No jab, no air travel. Also, jab, still no air travel.

363550 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #138 of 2062 🔗

…as all of the airlines will have gone out of business.

363371 ▶▶ Will, replying to chaos, 10, #139 of 2062 🔗

Everyone did as they were told in the spring and we had no hospital treatment for three months…

363640 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, 5, #140 of 2062 🔗

Fake jab certs
this will be easy peasy

363740 ▶▶▶ willhhand, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #141 of 2062 🔗

I have been thinking that. No doubt fake vaccs XR codes will be on sale. Make sure you renew your driving license and passport as soon as you can in the next few months.

364350 ▶▶▶▶ sam club, replying to willhhand, #142 of 2062 🔗

what if my passport good for 2 more years.i was thinking of that right away thinking of the french resistance etc and all the fake identity cards .

364279 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #143 of 2062 🔗

Have already heard of testing centres (not in the UK), where one is asked whether one wants a positive or a negative result. 🙂

363692 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to chaos, 10, #144 of 2062 🔗

I would appreciate someone from this shit government explaining why we are thinking of vaccinating the under 20’s? They have been at zero risk since this started and the number of deaths since April have been miniscule and as I understand it all the sadlidied had serious medical conditions.

364638 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #145 of 2062 🔗

All part of the plan. And you know, that RNA stuff.

363766 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to chaos, 6, #146 of 2062 🔗

So quarantine. Next step in the frog boiling will be…’with the exception of the jabbed’.
Of course truck drivers, business high flyers and the super rich are already excluded.

364150 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to chaos, 4, #147 of 2062 🔗

I’ve already been refused a private hip replacement unless I have a PCR test, despite me having medical reasons for refusing (previous nasal surgery and complications) I had hoped to sneak through before compulsory vaccination rule which WILL come. It didn’t happen last year as the NHS commandeered private facilities at £400m a month although most were not used. This meant that you couldn’t get surgery even if prepared to pay. They hate the idea of any of us being out of pain.
https://www.hsj.co.uk/finance-and-efficiency/leaks-reveal-two-thirds-of-private-hospital-capacity-went-unused-by-nhs/7029000.article

364710 ▶▶▶ Stephen Priest, replying to Mutineer, #148 of 2062 🔗

I paid for private health insurance for years out of my own pocket. No more. Sylv

363328 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 120, #149 of 2062 🔗

I’m beginning to understand that I may never see my family again. And that the majority of my “countrymen” would hate me, shout at me, denounce and deride me for even thinking this worthy of complaint.

I hate my country.

363337 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 111, #150 of 2062 🔗

I hate it too. I hate what others have willingly imposed on me, the type who think they aren’t going to get some of the same. I think they are in for the shock of their lives. I have nothing but pure, icy contempt for them and for every government agency that has acted in this criminal way.

363367 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to kh1485, 26, #151 of 2062 🔗

They took our freedom, they will not relinquish it easily. They are building their world where they could do as pleased while tightly controll the populace.

363420 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheClone, 29, #152 of 2062 🔗

Indeed. But the ‘they’ I talk of are those who have colluded. The ones who think they are financially immune from all this. Let’s just wait until the bill lands on the national doormat for this fantastical financial insanity. Let’s just wait until they need life-saving medical treatment and told “no, because COVID”. As I say, it is this ‘they’ that are in for a very rude awakening.

364080 ▶▶▶▶▶ neilhartley, replying to kh1485, 11, #153 of 2062 🔗

When the bill lands on the national doormat, Covid will be blamed. Wealth taxes, loss of savings (due to inflation) will all be blamed on Covid and not on the deliberate economic policies (government response) inflicted on us. Why? is explained in The Crash Course by Chris Martenson. Covid was the vehicle they used to reset the economy.

364651 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to kh1485, 4, #154 of 2062 🔗

I heard 35% interest on those business loans. Not sure if it has been verified. All small businesses fighting for their lives. Gov’t wielding a sledgehammer to take out medium size businesses. Oligarchs making bank.

363463 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to kh1485, 44, #155 of 2062 🔗

I’ve lost all love for country. It’s gone. The scales have lifted from my eyes about our wardens too (aka politicians/govt/etc). BUT. There are many good people out there – non-sheeple- and I’ve never loved them more.

363527 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 17, #156 of 2062 🔗

There are many good people out there – non-sheeple- and I’ve never loved them more.

Indeed there are and thank goodness for that.

363903 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kh1485, 6, #157 of 2062 🔗

But too few, I am afraid.

363338 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 85, #158 of 2062 🔗

From what I can pick up a lot of people in the UK firmly believe that it will be all over by Easter and that they will be having family reunions for the Easter holiday. Many people in the UK are booking holidays for later in the year in the belief that it will all be over in few months. I think the Government have realised this and are terrified as to how to handle this huge amount of public expectation.

363356 ▶▶▶ Alci, replying to Steve Martindale, 70, #159 of 2062 🔗

I agree. I think there is potentially a major nexus point coming, when many have had the vaccine. They’ve been expecting sunlit uplands from Easter as you say. The penny’s just starting to drop that this may not happen. The question is, what then? Do the masses revolt, or do they suck up the next level of restrictions and lifestyle changes?

I hate, hate that I think most will, even now, suck it up.

363907 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Alci, 7, #160 of 2062 🔗

A few months after the vaccine, holidays will not seem that important.

364663 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Alci, 3, #161 of 2062 🔗

Leaflets, stickers, flyers, pamphlets.

363372 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #162 of 2062 🔗

If the jab doesn’t stop transmission and data from Israel doesn’t look great, then I don’t see how this ends.

363534 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Will, 12, #163 of 2062 🔗

I’m watching Israel’s statistics carefully.
I’ve never understood how people think that the jab will end it all, especially since they will want to use the crappy Oxford jab with its low effectiveness.

363912 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Felice, 12, #164 of 2062 🔗

None of them are meant to be effective at stopping the spread of Covid. Their purpose is much more sinister.

363910 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Will, 7, #165 of 2062 🔗

The vaccines were never meant to stop the transmission of anything, that has been clear for weeks.

364363 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam club, replying to Rowan, 2, #166 of 2062 🔗

its the nano particle s that can be read by 5 g i read. no way will i g et that poison . i ts GMO and i stay awy from GMOS , its about gates tracking vaccine nothing to do with the flu sorry the plague

363531 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #167 of 2062 🔗

We booked another holiday for August. Am I looking forward to it? No I’m not as I see it getting cancelled along with all the other holidays that has been cancelled. I think folk are booking just to believe that things will get better and to give hope. I know my husband is and what worries me most, is what it will do to him if this holiday is cancelled.

363799 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Just about sane, 6, #168 of 2062 🔗

Are you now factoring in 2 weeks of isolation in a hotel on the way back?

363916 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Just about sane, 2, #169 of 2062 🔗

Try to holiday in the UK or don’t bother, it’s not worth the hassle and expense.

363539 ▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Steve Martindale, 32, #170 of 2062 🔗

A part of me is hoping the government pulls the rug from under their feet, “sacrifice summer to drive the last nail into Covid’s coffin” could well be the narrative they spin. I can’t believe I’m saying it but I really do hope this fascist dictatorship turn up the tyranny to 11 this year, anything to try and wake the masses out of this compliant, zombie-like state.

I’ve said for months now that it has to get much worse before it gets better.

364037 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Scotty87, 14, #171 of 2062 🔗

Turn up the tyranny to wake the masses? Didn’t work in Germany in the 1930s. A clear (moronic) majority like being told what to do.

363563 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #172 of 2062 🔗

They’ll simply announce the discovery of a “new” strain – there are HUNDREDS to choose from – and down, once more, will come the iron wall.

363922 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 12, #173 of 2062 🔗

Then there’s always an entirely new pandemic, perhaps the one that the smiling Bill and Melinda like to threaten us with.

364573 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Rowan, 4, #174 of 2062 🔗

Very much so! The amount of knowledge that they have gained from this “dry run” will give them the ability to repeat this event with two “improvements”; firstly the “novel” virus will have a greatly-increased lethality. Secondly, the new variant will have a ready-made procedure, positively demonstrated to work on sheeple; lockdowns and vaccines.

They have been proven to work. It is only the lethality of the new variant that needs a bit of tweaking.

364675 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Rowan, 5, #175 of 2062 🔗

Yes we need to find a way to take the smirk off that eugenicist.

364565 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 1, #176 of 2062 🔗

There’s an infinite number; a mutating virus has an unlimited collection of variations to “choose from”.

363711 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #177 of 2062 🔗

I wish and hope this is true. But they took away Christmas and stopped New Year in Scotland FFS. The sheep just bleeted and carried on.

363927 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Spikedee1, 16, #178 of 2062 🔗

The sheep will keep on bleating all the way to the slaughterhouse i.e. the vaccination centres. People are so unbelievably stupid.

363797 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #179 of 2062 🔗

Are they not understanding that holiday overseas means 2 weeks in isolation in a hotel on the way back?

363855 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #180 of 2062 🔗

The Stockdale paradox suggests that those are the people who ‘won’t make it’….

363340 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #181 of 2062 🔗

I hate my country.

I think that’s what they want.

363342 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Anti_socialist, 29, #182 of 2062 🔗

No, they want me to love Big Brother. I will not.

363366 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #183 of 2062 🔗

Technically they want you to hate your country so you accept big brother.

Its called……………..corporate socialism!

363375 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anti_socialist, 26, #184 of 2062 🔗

I have no idea why you think these policies are socialist. The people benefiting from them are the billionaires.

363446 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #185 of 2062 🔗

Indeed.

363455 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #186 of 2062 🔗

And China (which is still communist at least in name).

363537 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to GCarty80, 3, #187 of 2062 🔗

The perfect example.

We could use the term collectivism, but i like to see how many ignorant socialists take the bait.

363864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to GCarty80, 2, #188 of 2062 🔗

China has plenty of billionaires.

363512 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #189 of 2062 🔗

it’s socialism for billionaires

363609 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Jinks, 6, #190 of 2062 🔗

Shouldn’t that called “neo-feudalism”?

363530 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #191 of 2062 🔗

LOL A socialist once told me he “ can’t understand what’s so great about freedom “! I replied ‘evidently’.

Socialism = Authoritarianism.

Forget Marx, socialism is the emotional blackmail & manipulation of people that are unwilling or unable to accept responsibility for their own lives.

Socialism can not exist without sucking the life out of its host like a parasite, in that sense they have much in common with neo-liberal globalists its why neo-liberals are using a pseudo-socialism as a trojan horse to destroy us independent minded folk.

363546 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #192 of 2062 🔗

All you say here rings true.

364098 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #193 of 2062 🔗

He wasn’t a Socialist then. Even John Bolton, arch-warmonger, says China is not Communist, just totalitarian. My father never saw the sun 6 months of the year as a miner in South Wales but the Co-op and Trade Unions paid for his education and set our family free. Please stop decrying decent people.

363931 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #194 of 2062 🔗

People throwing terms around like socialism have lost the plot and are likely shit stirring for 77th Brigade. We are now living under naked fascism and fascism is always corporate.

364734 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #195 of 2062 🔗

True, but one of the billionaires said “You will own nothing, but you will be happy”. He, of course, will be part of the new Nomenklatura to whom the rules will not apply.

363511 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #196 of 2062 🔗

I call it corporate fascism, disguised as socialism.

363571 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Jinks, 2, #197 of 2062 🔗

‘Corporate fascism’ is a bit of a tautology.

364091 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #198 of 2062 🔗

Corporate Socialism? What nonsense. Socialism means people working together for the many, not the few, just as lockdown sceptics are doing right now. All of us are behaving according to this definition of Socialism.

364733 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Anti_socialist, #199 of 2062 🔗

NSDAP in Britain, by another name

363347 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #200 of 2062 🔗

If you ever do come back, stay with us and we’ll have a party in your honour.

363369 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 13, #201 of 2062 🔗

Thank you, Annie. I would love that. Let’s do it. But instead of in my honour, let’s make it in honour of liberty, equality and alternity. (I was never that bothered about the whole “fraternity” thing and “alternity” means “the concept that there exist alternate worlds/realities/ways of living”.)

363382 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #202 of 2062 🔗

Banner to that effect! Will write it on the cake with icing.

363702 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #203 of 2062 🔗

Alterity is a great concept. I also find fraternity a bit creepy.

363353 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #204 of 2062 🔗

“Workers know no fatherland”.
Sorry if I misquoted Marx.

363449 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #205 of 2062 🔗

I think he wrote that the proletarians have no country.
Certainly in the neo-liberal era, it would be more correct to say the capitalists have no country – if moving a factory from Scotland to Romania is more profitable for them, as happened with Continental tyres circa 1999, they will do it.

363459 ▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Waldorf, 6, #206 of 2062 🔗

“A capitalist may be a patriot, capital is not” — Iron Storm, 2002

363579 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Waldorf, 8, #207 of 2062 🔗

I’ve always thought that as capitalism always tries to find countries that are cheaper than the last cheapest one, eventually, this system will go “full circle” and will end up back where they started (this country).
After all, much more of this and the UK will be an impoverished backwater.

363439 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 36, #208 of 2062 🔗

Agree. And I think my temporary withdrawal from my family looks to become permanent as is friends who I no longer consider friends.

And Never Again will I support any charity. The sector’s behaviour during this crisis has been shameful, they have willingly betrayed the people they claim to support all for a virus with a 99.98% survival rate.

363515 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #209 of 2062 🔗

as well the unions! FSU excepted

363756 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #210 of 2062 🔗

Great post

364749 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #211 of 2062 🔗

My God, yes!

I don’t know of any charity whose top bosses don’t get paid more than I ever earned per annum in my entire working life. No money for any charity, ever again. Especially Cancer charities, who should have been screaming at the government for stopping all cancer treatment (which cannot/shouldn’t be delayed) in favour of COVID-19 (which 98% of the time, cures itself in time).

363504 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #212 of 2062 🔗

I try to change my anger, disgust and disappointment into pity. Mind you, I’ve had plenty of practice, having grown up in a severely dysfunctional and abusive society!

364265 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #213 of 2062 🔗

… the majority of my “countrymen” would hate me, shout at me, denounce and deride me for even thinking this worthy of complaint.

Sounds like you’re believing the polls, NN.

364995 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #214 of 2062 🔗

Why not? I’ve seen my two kids numerous times every week since the start and my elderly parents. End of. Whose going to stop me? Not the Buffoon that’s for sure.

363330 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 32, #215 of 2062 🔗

That thing about publishing the recovery rates in South Africa but not the UK is bang on. Thailand also publishes recovery figures. But people have been saying it since last March. The UK government just ignores everyone and does what it wants. To hell with it.

363341 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 21, #216 of 2062 🔗

The UK has never published any recovery rates. On the World Health meter it just puts ‘n/a’ in the ‘Recovered’ column. I think it’s the only nation to do that.

363406 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 1, #217 of 2062 🔗

The Greeks stopped publishing recovery rates some time ago – a little under 10,000 have recovered but this has been the figure for months without being updated.

363403 ▶▶ alw, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #218 of 2062 🔗

It’s all very well to applaud South Africa publishing recovery rates, however it should be remembered that because of state capture and corruption South Africa does not have the money to purchase vaccines. In the UK we now have our own version of the Magnitsky Act which should be used in respect of every ANC MP.

http://www.the-buyer.net/opinion/bruce-jack-covid-19-devastating-impact-on-south-africa/

363524 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, 1, #219 of 2062 🔗

And while they arrest poor people for drinking, SA also intended to make people pay for the vaccines, those businesses that are closed no less

363727 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #220 of 2062 🔗

It’s all tied in with their promoton of the concept of Long Covid, i.e. no-one can ever claim to have fully recovered…

363332 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 15, #221 of 2062 🔗

On the subject of harms to children, sad little vignette from yesterday.

A family, with two toddlers came into the shop. One of the little ones made a beeline for one of our chairs – “Daddy, I want to sit here” The father responded “No, you can’t, we have to sit outside” I wasn’t party to the “But why, daddy?” part of the conversation …

363335 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 15, #222 of 2062 🔗

Probably just as well you didn’t hear that part of the conversation, if you value your blood pressure.

363441 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 3, #223 of 2062 🔗

I think that dad will have hell to pay when the kids grow up.

363472 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to kh1485, 12, #224 of 2062 🔗

We tell our toddlers that it’s nasty Boris fault we can’t do things that are shut at the moment.

363522 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to CapLlam, 10, #225 of 2062 🔗

That’s what I tell my customers if they arse-ache about our reduced menu!

363587 ▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 5, #226 of 2062 🔗

I noticed this morning and my last trip to Tesco that the Costa, now a takeaway, has absolutely nobody there with the server looking bored. Even a week ago there were usually two or three people waiting to be served and before lockdown it was usually very busy.

363847 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to davews, 4, #227 of 2062 🔗

One would think the server in an empty Costa would be happy to get paid for standing around, but I have been there, and I’d rather EARN my wages.

363336 Caramel, 9, #228 of 2062 🔗

Suitable lockdown sceptics song, not sure if it’s been posted before.

If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next – Manic Street Preachers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX8szNPgrEs

363345 Annie, replying to Annie, 62, #229 of 2062 🔗

Smiling is infectious and can lead to an unlimited fine
by Annie

Smiling is infectious,
You catch it like the flu,
So government priority
Is to stop all smiles for you.

I passed around the corner
And saw someone in a mask.
When I tried to smile at him
He took me straight to task.

I thought about his attitude
And realised its worth:
How fear and terror of the smile
Have gone right round the earth.

Now, if you feel a smile begin,
Let it pass undetected,
For fear and lies have run amuck,
And all the world’s infected.

363349 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 12, #230 of 2062 🔗

That’s great Annie. Mind if I print and put a copy up in the shop?

363384 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #231 of 2062 🔗

I’d be honoured!

363520 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Annie, 4, #232 of 2062 🔗

That is brilliant!

363586 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Annie, 3, #233 of 2062 🔗

Well done.
I wonder what Spike would have made of this mess.

363348 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #234 of 2062 🔗

Get a dog; go out as often as the dog wants to go out so get a sheepdog.
You heard it first here,folks.

363385 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #235 of 2062 🔗

Make sure it isn’t a sheepledog.

363894 ▶▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to Annie, 3, #236 of 2062 🔗

But wouldn’t a sheepledog be appropriate during a flockdown?

363842 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #237 of 2062 🔗

Sorry to be pedantic, didn’t you mean ‘herd’ it here?

364564 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #238 of 2062 🔗

Dogs have finally got it sussed and gained revenge.

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363351 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 48, #239 of 2062 🔗

The pig dictators bicycle ride and Mandy’s rugby ball event were both obviously staged.

I’m reminded of the last known film of Hitler. He was pinning Iron Crosses on 14 year old’s in the garden of the Reich Chancellery. The message was simple, everything is fine here onward to victory. Not many days later the Austrian painter was lying soaked in petrol in the very same garden

My MP has not been seen since March. His constituency home is actually his home having been brought up in the area. Prior to March he could be seen visiting the shops etc. Where he has gone is a mystery

Local Labour and Conservative Councillors have disappeared also

Just saying

363443 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 12, #240 of 2062 🔗

I think many of them are now hiding because they know what’s coming for them when they day of reckoning arrives.

Hint: it won’t be pretty.

363469 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #241 of 2062 🔗

Yes, in these Covid times I wonder how many councillors and MPs are still holding surgeries?

363569 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Waldorf, 3, #242 of 2062 🔗

Probably none. Best way to avoid angry and distressed constituents.

363851 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, 2, #243 of 2062 🔗

So, shall we do a sweepstake which Cabinet Minister will be next weekend?

364569 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Cecil B, #244 of 2062 🔗

They are probably on extended quarantine in some unpleasant place, maybe the Seychelles, because of all the rule changes. They are truly upset that, as it is official business (seeing how other countries handle the pandemic), the expenses are being paid by the tax payer.

363354 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 29, #245 of 2062 🔗

The fact that Lord Sumption’s remarks were greeted with such shock – both on the programme and afterwards – is due to people’s ignorance of health economics.

I find this judgement incredible. As the article points out, the assessment is standard in both policy and practice. Indeed, it is inevitable and essential. This “ignorance” is wilful. People adopt it because it suits their purposes. It is a rhetorical device.

363362 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #246 of 2062 🔗

The problem is Sumption allowed himself to be manoeuvred into a dead end which was then ruthlessly exploited.
Elementary mistake , another missed opportunity to get a sensible message across.

What is hard to understand is why Sumption seems to be avoiding any real clash with authority.
He surely has the knowledge etc to mount a plausible legal challenge to all this mayhem .
He wasn’t shy about giving opinions/judgments on Brexit

363585 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Bill Grates, 6, #247 of 2062 🔗

The only mistake he may have made is to assume a basic level of intelligence on the part of the other participants, and a basic neutrality on the part of the moderator.

Also he has spoken about the legal position and been quite clear. Any court would look at legality and proportionality. Apparently dictatorial tools such as Orders in Council are, sadly perfectly legal.

363405 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #248 of 2062 🔗

‘money is better spent keeping children alive than pensioners’ – ‘so you are saying you want to kill all pensioners’ etc. See Cathy Newman for details

364576 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to steve_w, 1, #249 of 2062 🔗

Killing the pensioners? We have a vaccine for that – apparently.

363456 ▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #250 of 2062 🔗

Yes. Innitially when I heard reports of this I thought he meant something else. If you’re not a covid’ patient, your life is of less value and you won’t get treatment. That is true and that point needs to be made.

363547 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #251 of 2062 🔗

It reminded me of a conversation I had with a pro lockdown paramedic. I was informing her of the blanket DNR notices scandal, and she defended the policy. She basically said people in care homes were elderly and such touch decisions were made all the time. It was me who was mistaken and my shock was just due to a lack of awareness of the tough job medical professionals do.

I knew it was just a knee jerk defence of the NHS, but didn’t argue any more. I know when people do not want to know.

So when I heard this Sumption debate, I was reminded of exactly how people who feign their virtue, seem to just deploy it when it suits them. To cancel someone, simply to win the argument.

The case of Sumption is a classic one of playing the man and not the ball. And it’s weak. It is what someone resorts to when the facts are against them. Trouble is such a tactic has been weaponised by the media these days for headlines but to also push their agenda.

363736 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #252 of 2062 🔗

What i did not understand is why he did not say, this choice is already being made right now in the nhs. When talking to the cancer survivor he could have said If you were having treatment now you would be dead as the treatment would have been stopped.

364042 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #253 of 2062 🔗

The correct response would be to ask the Hysteric how many neo-natal incubators she would like to turn off to transfer the resources to her care. Or how many children suffering from leukaemia should be allowed to die so she can live.

Remember it is emotional Top Trumps, not rational debate.

364496 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #254 of 2062 🔗

But he wouldn’t sink so low.
The problem was that he used technical terms, aka jargon, which were seized on and wilfully misinterpreted. He should have been more careful.

364690 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Lucan Grey, #255 of 2062 🔗

On a side note, the MOD has gone more than 10% over budget (normally ~41 billion a year so ~£4 billion) in its cyberwarfare projects to disrupt China, Russia, and anyone who looks at them funny. Their response is ‘give us more’. They gare getting £4.1 billion a year until 2024.

I suspect £4+ billion a year would provide great relief to many people like Ms Whiner. (My bowel cancer remission annual surveillance looks like becoming a year overdue, and my dearest friend died recently from untreated remmsion of bowel cancer). Maybe we could even staff the Nightingale hospitals.

363355 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 23, #256 of 2062 🔗

“Lord Sumption’s remarks were greeted withshock – both on the programme and afterwards – is due to people’s ignorance of health economics.”

Only partially. There’s a manichean tendency now for viewing issues and people as ‘morally good’ or ‘morally bad’ that gets in the way of sensible, rational and nuanced discussions of all kinds. Then there are those, usually the ideologically possessed, who, acting in bad faith deliberately take the least generous interpretation of their opponents arguments in order to bolster their team and invite moral censure of other views. Shamefully, the technique is routinely used to ‘journalists’ nowadays to generate the ‘gotcha’ moment for clickbait.

363358 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Jonathan Smith, 9, #257 of 2062 🔗

One aspect of this hoo-haa is the way the argument jumps between considerations of Public Health Policy and National Statistics one one hand and issues of personal tragedy and suffering on the other hand. With the MSM so bought into lockdown enthusiasm I expect it is all to easy to get ‘caught out’ on this trap as happened to Lord Sumption. I think it was using the word ‘value’ that caught him out, a more impartial presenter may have realised this and helped him out but there was little chance of that.

I am not sure but I expect a PR expert would have warned him that there are certain words, phrases and ideas that are ‘sensitive’ and could easily be turned round and used against you as indeed happened. It is unfortunate because he was making an important and key point but he left himself open to this challenge which as we all know is one of the major arguments used against us that we are heartless, selfish, callous, brutal Granny Killers.
I do not know how he should have presented this idea? but it is certainly one of those discussion areas that needs handling with ‘kid gloves’.

363390 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #258 of 2062 🔗

I find it very hard to believe that so eminent a lawyer can be ‘caught out’.

363508 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 12, #259 of 2062 🔗

He wasn’t caught out, people just can’t cope with the cold hard truth. This kind of difficult choice is made everyday.

Example: Covid patients are considered more important than lockdown suicide, by every lockdown zealot in the country.

363573 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #260 of 2062 🔗

This is not an idea. It’s reality. If people can’t face reality it’s their problem. The Lord Buddha was sheltered for years from all evidence of death until he went out and saw it with his own eyes and it changed his perspective. Aging and death are real.

364210 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to eastender53, 4, #261 of 2062 🔗

If there’s one thing great religious leaders have in common, it’s an awareness of reality, particularly its unpleasant side.

364713 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Jonathan Smith, 2, #262 of 2062 🔗

I would have asked the lockdowners how destroying the economy can be reconciled with ‘saving the NHS’.

363359 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 24, #263 of 2062 🔗

one thing the morons in charge didn’t factor in was the total decimation of the hospitality industry. Without the huge movement of travellers in and out of the country many hotels are without trade.
The quarantine hotel measures are nothing more than a cynical attempt to support this sector.
But of course only the high end corporates will be used, the smaller owner-operators will be left to flounder.

This is what’s happened down under. In order to keep the high end hospitality infrastructure alive, the managed isolation system was introduced to keep it ticking over. In fact it’s been so successful that some airport hotels are making good profits where previously they were struggling.
Funny old world.

By the way , this doesn’t get much coverage here but if you want a good assessment of why things have been going in the wrong direction for so long, please watch the videos (still on YouTube) of Yuri Brezmenov . He was a KGB defector and was interviewed in the ‘80s .
It explains a lot.

363363 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #264 of 2062 🔗

It’s all about money! Nothing new!

363526 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Bill Grates, 4, #265 of 2062 🔗

exactly and once the quarantine detention hotels are setup with an easy money flow – the hotels will not want to stop this! Will be here for years.

363549 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to penelope pitstop, 5, #266 of 2062 🔗

Initially but if you need to be wealthy to travel, then mass travel is over and most businesses and travel agencies will go under. I don’t think it is workable.

363595 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Waldorf, 2, #267 of 2062 🔗

Indeed, it might be lucrative for a few properties in a large chain, like some airport hotels. However, as there would be so few people travelling it’s difficult to imagine that with so many empty properties elsewhere that a hotel chain could profit from this in the long term.

363607 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #268 of 2062 🔗

It’s still a lot less money than they’d make if international travel were fully restored!

363615 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to GCarty80, 2, #269 of 2062 🔗

Absolutely. It would mitigate some losses at most. I can’t see how this is in the long term interests of the hotel business at all unless they wish to significantly downsize.

363843 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #270 of 2062 🔗

UK Column has started a series on this:
https://youtu.be/faYvk8T1t-c

It’s a bit slow to get started but stick with it. Very interesting and scary stuff.

363364 Hrothgar1722, replying to Hrothgar1722, 36, #271 of 2062 🔗

Sumption’s appearance rams home that point made last week, around this all boiling down to rational vs emotional arguments.

363377 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hrothgar1722, 11, #272 of 2062 🔗

Socialism uses emotive arguments to enslave us.

eg. Note how lockdown zealots use severity of infection to advocate lockdown, they call this “the science” , there is of course no correlation between symptom severity & efficacy of lockdown.

Then they use moral blackmail to silence you,

“wear a mask to save lives” masks only work one way apparently, i.e. prevent us infecting them, face masks cant protect the healthy according to them. I blame surgeons for this lunacy, so i’ve decided to abandon morals & use real science, i demand evidence masks do anything than make it harder to breath, i’m confident evolution would have developed a filter over our breathing vents if it was practical or plausible.

363389 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #273 of 2062 🔗

I thinking putting people in quarantine and then expecting them to pay for it is more like capitalism at its finest.

363393 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Waldorf, 16, #274 of 2062 🔗

Bugger the labels, it’s simply evil, like the whole shebang. Why should the Devil bother to take sides when they’re all on his side anyway?

363498 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Waldorf, 1, #275 of 2062 🔗

Its a proven strategy that works, e.g. Rabies!

You can argue morally about human rights etc. But quarantine is common practice in animal husbandry, you can’t argue with the objective facts.

363507 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #276 of 2062 🔗

This isn’t rabies.

363589 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Waldorf, 1, #277 of 2062 🔗

I don’t recall saying it was.

363523 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #278 of 2062 🔗

I think it’s Martin Kulldorf who often says that public health policy can never be about one single issue, you have to consider the ‘whole’.

So I would say that if a policy has costs which outweigh the benefits, then it cannot be said to ‘work’, as the goal should always be to maintain a properly functioning society. Mass ‘quarantine’ of healthy people is extremely disruptive and provides minimal benefits, especially when a virus is endemic.

363596 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #279 of 2062 🔗

I’m not advocating any mitigation measure I’m one of the few openly honest to say let it rip, look after yourself as you see fit. It should be your choice.

Fact remains quarantine is S.O.P for preventing spreading infection in animal husbandry! Proven to work.

363885 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #280 of 2062 🔗

But if Iam asymptomatic then that is not a problem, I consider myself a healthy non disease ridden person. By the way they no longer quarantine animals for rabies – pets passports.

364585 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Anti_socialist, #281 of 2062 🔗

As is culling the herd.

363561 ▶▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #282 of 2062 🔗

Or we could just shoot anyone infected….. rabies.

363600 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to eastender53, 2, #283 of 2062 🔗

We could, very effective method.

363601 ▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Waldorf, 1, #284 of 2062 🔗

Not sure about that, but it’s a good way of limiting how much the taxpayer will have to pay to bail out the hotel industry.

363611 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #285 of 2062 🔗

“I.e.; prevent us from infecting them”
Not even that.
They are merely symbolic; gasses and particulates far larger than viruses pass cleanly through them.

363761 ▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 3, #286 of 2062 🔗

Was the big push for mask-wearing a legacy of a time when it was still believed that Covid was transmitted through droplets, not aerosols?

364511 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to GCarty80, 2, #287 of 2062 🔗

It was always a psy-op.

363718 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #288 of 2062 🔗

Evolution developed “the nose”

363738 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to BJJ, 5, #289 of 2062 🔗

Exactly, without a covering, inverted to prevent rain getting in, pure genius.

364100 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to BJJ, 3, #290 of 2062 🔗

An upgrade from “the gills”.

363832 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Hrothgar1722, 2, #291 of 2062 🔗

Absolutely. It has got to the point that anyone who thinks rationally is assumed to be “on the spectrum”. Another contortion to make what was one normal thought, to now be an affliction. I would suppose that in fact there is another mental illness that has grown silently and massively – emotional thought. Probably driven in no small part by social media addiction.

363365 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 7, #292 of 2062 🔗

I am due to come back to the UK from Greece on Friday. Hopefully I will get in under the wire as I have no intention of forking out a thousand quid to stay in quarantine. I have to take a Covid test as it is on Wednesday.

363368 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 6, #293 of 2062 🔗

To add to the foregoing, I would be surprised if they have such BS up and running by the 22nd of January but then again nothing surprises me any more.

363388 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Waldorf, 6, #294 of 2062 🔗

Let us know how you get on. Bon voyage.

363392 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to bluemoon, 2, #295 of 2062 🔗

Will do, if I ever emerge from the Twilight Zone.

364082 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Waldorf, 1, #296 of 2062 🔗

Hopefully you sail through everywhere with nobody in the slightest bit interested. They make up most of this bollox, remember.

363890 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Waldorf, 1, #297 of 2062 🔗

Not sure how they plan to accommodate thousands of people entering,or will we all just be put up in camps.

364089 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Hattie, 1, #298 of 2062 🔗

It does seem unworkable. I wonder how many Brits and others are planning to return to Blighty in the coming weeks. Unable or unwilling to come up with money to stay at the quarantine hotel, will we be put in enclosures like this poor chap?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooy0GFMYafY
In fact this is relatively humane – no social distancing although there is a wire fence.

363373 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 37, #299 of 2062 🔗

Toby and Sumption both walked straight into the ambush

I can understand their desire for the truth to be heard, but the regime will always play dirty

The people who front the BBC are all on six figure salaries. If the regime falls there is a good chance the BBC will fall also

This year the turkeys didn’t vote for Christmas they just cancelled it

363786 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, 5, #300 of 2062 🔗

I agree, they sit all polite and people are just spouting vitriol and lies and they are trying to be all calm and sensible and the opposition is jumping all over you on twitter. People keep saying twitter is not the news or public opinion but this crap is being mirrored in the msm so it is the news. Toby going on the bbc and expecting a balanced and fair debate is fucking cray cray! They are looking for clickbait not debate so you need to be armed with tons of ammo and pile in on them. We are being isolated, abused, ridiculed and our point of view repressed. We have to use their tactics against them.

363944 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #301 of 2062 🔗

I agree that there should be no illusions here about what we are up against. But this is not a fair fight, this is asymmetric. We do not have access to the resources deployed by the panickers, so their optimal tactics are not necessarily viable for us.

364519 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 2, #302 of 2062 🔗

But there is no excuse for naivety.

363376 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #303 of 2062 🔗

Some very informative and informed comment yesterday regarding Proportional Representation (PR).

I very much still intend to vote for the Liberal Democrats now at every opportunity, even though I disagree with 80% of their manifesto, in an attempt to get them back into coalition and so another, hopefully better drafted, referendum on Proportional Representation.

The Lib Dems have some good local politicians hereabouts and have represented the constituency within living memory.

I believe PR offers the opportunity for new parties to start up and flourish. That has happened, notably, in Italy but also in Germany and elsewhere.

I believe PR better protects minorities(like LS). A system of PR would allow a countryside party, as with, for example, the Rurality Movement in France, to represent rural interests and prevent the tyranny of the urban majority legislating against rural interests about which they mostly know very little but have strong, often bigoted, opinions.

Of course the Brexit party had an effect in Britain without any MPs being elected as Brexit party representatives, but it managed that through leveraging the PR system of eu elections in order to get their voice heard via the eu assembly in Brussels.

This country now needs radical change and it will not get it without minority voices being heard.

The big lesson of lockdown is that Britain’s representative democracy is no longer fit for purpose and Britain is now a democratic socialist state with an overmighty public sector, state broadcaster, leading the country to ruin.

363378 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #304 of 2062 🔗

We already had a referendum on proportional representation (it was the price the Liberal Democrats exacted from the Conservatives in 2010) and the people rejected it.

363410 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #305 of 2062 🔗

The referendum in 2011 was not for Proportional Representation but for an Alternative Vote system. They certainly won’t be trying that again.

‘The Alternative Vote is not a system of proportional representation’

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voting-systems/types-of-voting-system/alternative-vote/

363424 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #306 of 2062 🔗

And yet it was demanded by the Liberal Democrats, who told the country that it is a form of proportional representation.

Anyhow, you are not in favour of the alternative vote system, so what system are you in favour of?

363690 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #307 of 2062 🔗

The Liberal Democrat leader who said that AV was a system of proportional representation, Nick Clegg, now works for Facebook. That should tell you all you need to know about the Liberal Democrats then.

I am in favour of any system of PR that allows new young parties to flourish.

What system of voting are you in favour of?

363789 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tim Bidie, #308 of 2062 🔗

I am a democrat. I therefore obvious am in favour of direct democracy.

364142 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #309 of 2062 🔗

Yes, AV is not PR, but the Electoral Reform Society foolishly, in my opinion, supported it in the referendum, losing all credibility.

364140 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #310 of 2062 🔗

No, we did not have a referendum on PR, as I said in a comment yesterday on this topic. The system proposed was the alternative vote, a majoritarian system related to first-past-the-post. AV is not proportional. I am a lecturer in politics and have published in this area extensively. AV was a con and the Lib Dems never should have gone for this.

363387 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #311 of 2062 🔗

I entirely agree with that last paragraph. But how anyone could think that the answer to this problem is “The Liberal Democrats” is beyond me.

363404 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #312 of 2062 🔗

Of course the answer is not the Liberal Democrats; the answer is Proportional Representation.

363732 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #313 of 2062 🔗

Can you point to any country where PR protects the people from the Covid hysteria?

364107 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to BJJ, #314 of 2062 🔗

Sweden, Japan and South Korea to name but three

364132 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Tim Bidie, #315 of 2062 🔗

Sweden has PR, but Japan and South Korea have semi-proportional systems that are more majoritarian (mixed-member majoritarian or MMM systems). I wouldn’t give electoral systems too much credit for this.

364223 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Tim Bidie, #316 of 2062 🔗

South Koreans were still willing to accept a surveillance state in order to make test-and-trace actually work. Given that even that eventually lost control in December, I now think they may have been better served by the New Zealand approach, as (unlike European countries) they had reacted early enough that a lockdown would have given them a fighting chance of actually eliminating the virus.

363470 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #317 of 2062 🔗

I won’t be voting Lib Dem but, as a countryman I would welcome PR in this country.

363490 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Will, 4, #318 of 2062 🔗

Thats just about the worst form of democracy you can get. Forever governed by a coalition of neo-liberals. Rule under such a government makes it practically impossible to change anything. Kind of like the EU. We just got out of that!

363700 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #319 of 2062 🔗

It can be no coincidence that the most organised opposition to lockdown is in countries with PR: Germany, Italy, Poland

How have we done on that score in this country?

363728 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #320 of 2062 🔗

What?

It just proves my point, theres opposition yes, but they can’t change anything.

Again what effective opposition have we had for decades? its neo-liberal on the left & neo-liberal on the right, how would PR change anything?

363938 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #321 of 2062 🔗

New parties in Germany Italy France have changed the political landscape in those countries dramatically and radical change is now afoot in all of those places.

363480 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #322 of 2062 🔗

Actually the Brexit Party’s power came from their threat to split the right-wing vote (in a Westminster election) and thus hand power to Jeremy Corbyn.

Once the Tories replaced Theresa May with an actual Brexiteer leader, the Brexit Party returned the favour by not standing against Tory MPs, thus ensuring that they’d split the anti-Tory Red Wall vote instead and thus ensure a big Tory majority.

363714 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to GCarty80, 4, #323 of 2062 🔗

There were many years of activity, UKIP etc., prior to Corbyn and May. To get to a position of influence, UKIP leveraged their position, prominent for their size, within the eu assembly and got disproportionate media coverage from that position. The rest is history.

364060 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #324 of 2062 🔗

PR allows permanent rule by the technocratic elite, since the policies that get enacted are chosen by them after the election without reference to the people.

In our system, the argy bargy is done before the election so that you know what you will get when you vote. And smaller parties that can’t compromise or influence are eliminated from consideration.

Consider Chesterton’s Fence before you ask to change our system. It works by allowing whoever gets in to make change, but preventing them from stopping that change being revoked in the future.

Our system delivers by permitting the tug of war of change to reach its average over several parliaments, not within one.

364092 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #325 of 2062 🔗

Small parties can achieve dramatic leverage under PR.

The broad church two party system has manifestly failed.

364532 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #326 of 2062 🔗

All this debate assumes that there’s actually an operating parliament.
Have you not noticed that, after his failed attempt to prorogue it, dePiffle has succeeded in disabling it completely?

363386 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 21, #327 of 2062 🔗

There is one easy way to explain QALYs to the public which lockdown sceptics should apply ruthlessly and Lord Sumption should have used on Stage 4 Bowel Cancer Lady: “My dear; Do you have children or grandchildren? Yes? do you accept that we live in a world of finite resources and given that would you prefer to see those resources directed at saving their life rather than your own?”

That is what QALYs are in effect. A recognition that money spent on saving the life of my son aged 26 is a better investment than spending it on me, aged 56!

363461 ▶▶ Will, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #328 of 2062 🔗

Very well put AWD!!!

363558 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #329 of 2062 🔗

The money thrown at Covid measures and more specifically the vaccines shows how a lack of resources is a tool of control. QALYs? Given the vaccines are designed to reduce life years lost, and the average age of a death in 82, I’d say the £40,000 per year used as a baseline in those assessments has been blown out of the water.

364592 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #330 of 2062 🔗

The vaccines are not designed to reduce life years lost. They are designed to reduce some symptoms in mild cases of the disease and to enhance Big Pharma profits. Not necessarily in theat order.

363583 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #331 of 2062 🔗

Nah, he got it perfectly right, her life as someone with a terminal illness doesn’t have the same value as person younger & healthier, whether she likes it or not is irrelevant to the facts of the matter.

363817 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #332 of 2062 🔗

Heres the thing, its sad but that’s life. Stop acting like you are owed something because you have cancer. It’s fucking sad but people die every day. Somebody somewhere is having to make the decision to switch off life support and let you go. If you don’t understand we will be trying harder for a twenty year old than we would for an 80 year old you don’t understand the way life and the health service works.

363827 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Spikedee1, #333 of 2062 🔗

If no one died we’d be knee deep in nappies.

363888 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #334 of 2062 🔗

QALYS are used by SAGE so I presume those who object would want all organisations in the country to stop using it completely.

363391 popo says, replying to popo says, 2, #335 of 2062 🔗

Could someone please use ‘lay-lay’ language to make sense of what Gordon Burns has written above?

363536 ▶▶ LS99, replying to popo says, #336 of 2062 🔗

My thoughts exactly.

364550 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to popo says, 1, #337 of 2062 🔗

If your immune system is working properly, a virus is stopped by T-cells immediately on entering the body. So no symptoms arise and therefore no infection.

363394 V Detta, replying to V Detta, 22, #338 of 2062 🔗

On Friday morning I drove 2 miles to access my usual running route. At 60+ and living alone this has sustained me throughout this nightmare. After I’d completed my run a policeman was waiting for me. He immediately told me I was to be fined £200 for not exercising from home. Telling me that the law was quite clear on this. I was distressed , not just because of the fine, but because it means another door of the prison has been slammed shut for no good reason.

On Saturday evening there was a knock on my door. The policeman stood there. He looked rather shamefaced and told me that he was withdrawing the fine as ‘he hadn’t slept last night’. I gave it him both barrels telling him how badly this had effected me. I asked him why he had done it. He said they’d been told to crackdown on people using their cars to get to exercising spots. He said they’d even been told to patrol supermarket car parks to spot walkers….‘I didn’t join The Force to do that.’ He said and he sympathised with my position as he was a mountain Walker himself and also lived alone.

Although the fine remains, I am very depressed…I am now faced with running around a housing estate instead of the woods and fields on my doorstep and in the same postcode just 2 miles away. This is in Wales and it not just guidance – it is law and has been since before Christmas…. with no sign of any leeway on this.

363447 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to V Detta, 3, #339 of 2062 🔗

Where exactly do you live, V? I’m in Wales and also been driving to other places in order to walk, usually hiding the car before setting out. Not yet seen any police presence but would like to know where they lurk.

363450 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to V Detta, 11, #340 of 2062 🔗

I’m very sorry to hear this. I used to drive 5-50 miles from home to walk the dogs regularly for some variety and to escape the masses. This was possible in the spring. The rule was then that if the duration of the walk was greater than the journey then it was ok. This time, we’re just walking from home as I suspected the state blob may target such benign actions as its easy.

For the rest of my life, I will have raging utter contempt for everyone in power who has forced this CCP inspired shitshow on us.

363612 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to V Detta, 4, #341 of 2062 🔗

Remember this:

All the Ministers, councils and police etc that have gleefully enforced the “rules” should remember Nuremberg Principles III and IV:

Principle III

The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.

Principle IV

The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.

Basically unless they are under threat of death to themselves or family they have no excuse.

363672 ▶▶ TJN, replying to V Detta, 3, #342 of 2062 🔗

Ask him if he’ll pay the fine for you. Or get him to go back on some pretext and say he issued it in error.

364073 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to V Detta, 2, #343 of 2062 🔗

Which police force ?

(Good the plod relented though. I suspect more than a few will eventually.)

363395 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 13, #344 of 2062 🔗

So China is the only economy in the world that appears to have grown.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-reports-stronger-expected-gdp-only-major-economy-grow-2020

Funny that

363398 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mhcp, 4, #345 of 2062 🔗

It would be news if China’s economy had not grown.

363401 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #346 of 2062 🔗

True but it was stronger than expected.

363419 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mhcp, #347 of 2062 🔗

Expected by whom?

363431 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #348 of 2062 🔗

By the usual economist predictions. My point is that it may or not be true (as China has a way with figures) but it can be taken as a hubristic show of strength. Kind of rubbing people’s noses in it.

363646 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mhcp, 1, #349 of 2062 🔗

the usual economist predictions

Is that the ones who are always wrong, about everything, especially the really important stuff, like the entirely predictable 2007/8 fiancé capital crisis that they failed to see coming?

363452 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to mhcp, 4, #350 of 2062 🔗

‘China reports’ = they made up some numbers.

363654 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #351 of 2062 🔗

Yeah.
Beijing lies.
…a LOT.

363773 ▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to kpaulsmith1463, #352 of 2062 🔗

The Covid case/death statistics though are mostly Wuhan lies (told out of fear of Beijing) rather than Beijing lies.

By the time Beijing discovered Wuhan had cooked the books, Covid had already gone global, and Beijing couldn’t admit Wuhan had lied because then the whole world would be screaming for revenge against China.

363487 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to mhcp, 2, #353 of 2062 🔗

It’s not hard to crush Covid when you’re a regime that has the will and the power to drag people kicking and screaming from their homes into quarantine facilities.

363659 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to GCarty80, 2, #354 of 2062 🔗

Or forcibly weld them in.

363396 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 23, #355 of 2062 🔗

Some time ago we were told that all medical treatment will be suspended to allow the vaccine rollout

The end date for the rollout has now been pushed back to September. Of course we know it will be pushed back further and will never be completed

So at least two years of no medical treatment for the proles

“Lump in your breast madam? Ok. the earliest appointment with your GP is in 2022, We will book you in now but you have to understand there are no guarantees the appointment will actually take place”

Which begs the question what exactly are these 1.7 million employees doing all day

363407 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Cecil B, 15, #356 of 2062 🔗

Logistically you cannot jab 70 or 80% of the pop. I don’t believe the fake polls. No more than 50% ‘want’ the jab. Most of the young, healthy, those who had CV 19 like myself, do not need it. So what are the polls based on? Nothing much except leftards on YouGov.

They keep moving the goals as well. First the herd target was 70%….now they bellow it may be 80%…next month it will be 85 %…..until the summer when they scream 120 %….

363664 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Cecil B, 2, #357 of 2062 🔗

Brushing up their TikTok choreography, of course.

363917 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Cecil B, 8, #358 of 2062 🔗

I’ve just come off the phone now after a very unfulfilling assesment for physiotherapy on a damaged knee. Apparently, the firm employed by my company are not referring anyone to physiotherapists for treatment. All therapy is now done by video call with the patient touching areas of concern and telling them how it feels and where pain is. So no provision for heat treatment or massage of affected areas.

When I told her I was not prepared to accept such a poor substitute for proper care, she started on about how I was in such a high risk category that she could never recommend face to face contact in view of the risk of me catching “the virus”.

That’s where the conversation REALLY went downhill and terminated soon after,

364066 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richy_m_99, #359 of 2062 🔗

I’ve heard of physios doing face-to-face. Once you find one, you should be ok.

363397 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 22, #360 of 2062 🔗

What struck me about Simon Stevens’ appearance on the BBC’s Andrew Marr show was the fact that he was stood outside, wearing a shirt with his sleeves rolled up – in the middle of January, with the temperature not much above freezing. I could not but wonder how much time and effort the propagandists (NHS propagandists or BBC propagandists or both) had devoted to deciding upon that image. I also could not help but wonder how many people would see that image and, instead of subliminally thinking it showed how hard the NHS are working, wondered why the person in charge of the NHS is so foolish they don’t even have enough sense to dress appropriately for inclement weather.

363408 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #361 of 2062 🔗

According to the NHS Church and BBC Goebbels, once you are jabbed (assumed Stevens was jabbed), you cannot die. From anything incl frigid temps and the flu. So they say.

363417 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to FerdIII, #362 of 2062 🔗

Simon Stevens isn’t in the priority groups. If he has had the vaccine, he has broken his own rules.

363614 ▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #363 of 2062 🔗

I personally know two NHS non frontline workers who have received the ‘Jab’.

363674 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #364 of 2062 🔗

Rolled-up sleeves denotes ‘hard work’; visual shorthand.

363716 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 3, #365 of 2062 🔗

Alternatively: rolled up sleeves = another manipulative corporate twat trying to sell something.

363913 ▶▶ mj, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #366 of 2062 🔗

the next psyops is to tell us that as the rona doesnt like the cold temperatures you are only allowed out of the house without a coat . or a jacket .
so here is an NHS man outside in shirt sleeves showing this and this is what we must do

363399 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 35, #367 of 2062 🔗

My daughter is planning to get married in April, this is attempt number 4. Her fiancé is of Asian descent and they were planning an Indian ceremony, but that won’t happen this year, but next year there are no venues available.
My son is getting married in July, his fiancée is Scottish, they are now worried that their wedding will be seriously curtailed and that we won’t be able to go as we’re from England and hence not allowed to travel into Scotland.
It isn’t that anyone has died, but what has died is hope.

363445 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to p02099003, 7, #368 of 2062 🔗

Me too – October with family and friends travelling from southern England.

We have both decided we will not be having a wedding with face smotherings and SD.

363454 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to p02099003, 7, #369 of 2062 🔗

Very sorry to hear this. Life on hold = not living.

363474 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to p02099003, 13, #370 of 2062 🔗

Just drive onto the M74 as before! My family are Scottish/English and my English brother hosted Christmas this time in the Cotswolds. We crossed the border no bother – the only people who get busted are folk who the police have a reason to pull over (speeding, lights not working, etc). They can’t just randomly stop drivers on a motorway without having a reason to suspect a crime first, and there’s plenty of legit reasons to cross the border that you can choose from if they do stop you – “work” is not defined legally and can be stretched to any contractual transaction, even one arranged with family members… You do not need documentary proof either!

Please don’t be intimidated by wee Krankie’s pish. People drive freely between the M74/M6 all day long.

Also: in Scotland you can be legally married by a registered celebrant anywhere – up Ben Nevis if you wanted. Two archaeologist pals of mine got married at the Ring of Brodgar standing stones by a pagan celebrant, they were very lucky it was a sunny day and so were we standing about the stone circle! If the masks rubbish is still in force in the summer, it may be possible to organise a creative wedding event outdoors away from prying eyes and with none of the bullshit rules. Might be a Plan B your son could investigate?

363521 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to GorbalsGirl, 1, #371 of 2062 🔗

“Concubinage and bastardy as preferred options in times of economic and social stress – discuss.”

364289 ▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Waldorf, 3, #372 of 2062 🔗

Hmm, maybe that’s why the Great British Unwashed elected Bojo as our dear leader? He certainly seems to be the best fitting bloke to lead us into those sunlit uplands of medieval perversion.

Personally I would prefer to go a bit further back and embrace Scotland’s Celtic heritage in a more fitting way – by erecting a giant wickerman in Govanhill outside Krankie’s constituency office. We can then banish the evil covids for good by setting Krankie and her witches ablaze inside – that’s how independent Scotland used to do it!

It’s got to have a better chance of working than anything that wee whore Devi Sridhar preaches.

364058 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to GorbalsGirl, 2, #373 of 2062 🔗

Two archaeologist pals of mine got married at the Ring of Brodgar …

with reception afterwards at the Stones of Stenness ? 🙂

364295 ▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to JohnB, 1, #374 of 2062 🔗

There may have been a trip out that way the next day – I was too hungover to really pay any attention! I remember we went to see Maes Howe, but only because some wee bird shat on me while I was inside the tomb (some swallows were nesting inside).

363513 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to p02099003, 3, #375 of 2062 🔗

Sorry to hear this, we are due to get married next year in June but have both said if restrictions are still in place then we will postpone the wedding until we can have it.

363400 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 12, #376 of 2062 🔗

Malaria and Diarrhoea both kill more than CV 19 worldwide. Both are infectious.

Surely the ‘science’ says we must all have vaxx’s and testing against both with a vaxx passport to prove our clean health (for the safety of others of course) ?

Perhaps Ebola, AIDS, West NIle, Pneumonic Plague and H1N1 Flu as well ? So many passports to accumulate….or will the ‘science’ just combine the top 10 infectious-viral diseases into 1 passport for the sheep?

Will coughing be outlawed?

363418 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to FerdIII, 3, #377 of 2062 🔗

Malaria/Zika/dengue are not directly infectious as it is parasitic, person a cannot pass it to person b except through an intermediary mosquito.
The last episode of malaria being actually contracted in England was in the 1950’s and it wasn’t until 1975 that it disappeared from mainland Europe.

363518 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to p02099003, 2, #379 of 2062 🔗

Athens has a lot of mosquitos and I still get bitten at night in January – there are more of them in the warmer, indeed hot, times of the year. If malaria makes a comeback in Europe it will be in Greece. It was probably one of the last places in Europe to eliminate it.

363746 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FerdIII, 2, #380 of 2062 🔗

One of the biggest outbreaks of malaria was in the Arctic Circle (Archangel)
The amount of people who think it is a tropical disease is staggering

364046 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #381 of 2062 🔗

I always did – thanks CD. 🙂

364074 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Crystal Decanter, #382 of 2062 🔗

Siberia’s short summer tends to be plagued by mosquitos, horse flies and other biting insects, and some of them transmit disease. The same with the Archangel region.
On the Eastern Front troops on both sides often came down with malaria in WW2, especially those fighting in swampy areas like the Pripet Marshes.

363412 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 9, #383 of 2062 🔗

Isn’t in funny how if your car fails an MOT or has an advisory, you can go and ask for the details and they will be provided. But if you test positive on a Covid PCR test you can’t and your GP/doctor can’t ask for the most basic details about the test – i.e.Ct value.

363629 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to mhcp, 4, #384 of 2062 🔗

Cars also only ever have asymptomatic MOT failures at dodgy testing stations.

363841 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #385 of 2062 🔗

And if you are driving home from the mot and your rear light goes you have a whole year to get if fixed.

363413 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #386 of 2062 🔗

No one will answer my question:

Why is it okay to roll out experimental vaccines that have not been through animal trials when this breaks the Nuremberg Code? Why? Anyone? Why? I want this question answered. Why is it okay?

363416 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #387 of 2062 🔗

Free choice. You don’t have to take it, and you have no right to stop others taking it.

363426 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #388 of 2062 🔗

Some might argue that the propaganda war and restrictions and the portrayal of the vaccine as a saviour we must embrace amounts to coercion. It’s certainly very close to it. Doctors might ask you before they jab you if you really want it, but the way it is portrayed by politicians and the media, is different – have any of them said “take it if you want it, but don’t ifeel you have to, look into the risks and benefits”?

363428 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #389 of 2062 🔗

I agree to an extent, I don’t care whether or not somebody has this vaccine, it’s up to them.

However, as we live in a society where we regulate the use of certain products, it should be made crystal clear that these products are currently experimental and have not yet been through their full testing program.

363528 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #390 of 2062 🔗

Free choice until you are denied services based on not having had it. If the Establishment is talking about it, it is coming and they are talking about it.

365199 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #391 of 2062 🔗

Not trying to stop anyone taking it. Asking why it’s been allowed when it breaks the Nuremberg Code.

363639 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #393 of 2062 🔗

The lockdownistas couldn’t care less about what the words denote. For them words mean whatever they want them to mean, even unto a word or phrase meaning completely different things in the same sentence. Equivocation is one of their most popular tactics.

363414 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 14, #394 of 2062 🔗

The fact that Lord Sumption’s remarks were greeted with such shock – both on the programme and afterwards – is due to people’s ignorance of health economics.”

It’s time to come out fighting. Anybody who cannot get their head around the need for this approach should be described as “emotional” and “anxiety ridden” and therefore ineligible to be included in the discussion, because we can’t have national decisions made by the “overly emotional”.

We cannot assume reason prevails. We have to mark our opponents as incapable of clear thinking.

363425 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 8, #395 of 2062 🔗

Totally agree. It needed saying and he said it, because he is not a politician and doesn’t much care abut his public image or career.

363427 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lucan Grey, 9, #396 of 2062 🔗

The retreat of reason in public debate has been going on for a long while now. It is only now, during the COVID mania, that it is reaching its apogee.

363415 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 7, #397 of 2062 🔗

I clicked on the Maajid Nawaz LBC clip and was appalled to read some of the comments his opinion received.
One of them, “he’s gone full on gammon” took the biscuit for racism, under the guide of virtue-signalling.

363560 ▶▶ LS99, replying to PatrickF, 2, #398 of 2062 🔗

What does “full on gammon” mean .. I’ve tried searching online but get a notice saying “not many searches matching ..”

363695 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to LS99, 6, #399 of 2062 🔗

Gammon: a derogatory term to describe a Brexit voter. White, middle-aged, ruddy complextion, from working outdoors. In other words, a pig.

363735 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PatrickF, 4, #400 of 2062 🔗

It’s a classist slur used by the Wokerati who despise the working class whilst thinking they are Leftists

363421 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 19, #401 of 2062 🔗

This quarantine hotel business is mad. We are told (without evidence) that the nEw sTrAiNs are so contagious that we have to implement this ridiculous policy. Yet, potential carriers of the nEw sTrAiNs will mix with the air crew on the aeroplanes, the staff at the airport and the staff at the quarantine hotels, who will go straight home when they finish work. So it’s futile from a ‘disease control’ perspective.

Like every other COVID policy it has large costs with minimal benefits. Of course, many idiots will applaud it, safe in their illusion that Big Brother is protecting them. They will be too stupid to realise that even people on what most would consider to be pretty decent salaries will be completely priced out of leaving the country. Holidays and business travel will be for the VERY high level only. I also find it difficult to believe that once this infrastructure is established that it will quickly disappear.

363429 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #402 of 2062 🔗

I am not convinced such a scheme is workable for more than the short term, if that, but that does not mean they will not try it.

363435 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Waldorf, 4, #403 of 2062 🔗

I’d like to think that you’re right and that people will not tolerate being separated from family abroad etc for very long. It would seem to be difficult to sustain in a country like the UK which has so many people with overseas connections. Here’s hoping!

363432 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 10, #404 of 2062 🔗

What is more ridiculous is that there are several thousand variants already, so why the concern about these? They may be more contagious but not necessarily more virulent, but who’s to say that any one of the previous 2,000 is not more virulent? This is playing on people’s ignorance and fear.
With regards to Lord Sumption’s remarks, if a ship, like the Titanic, is sinking the call was women and children first. Maybe this was in the belief that men would be more useful but maybe it was to protect the children as they were the future.
To quote Mr. Spock, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”.

363453 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to p02099003, 6, #405 of 2062 🔗

Absolutely. I find it amazing (maybe I shouldn’t anymore) that such costly policies can be implemented on the basis of pure speculation and be accepted without question.

Sumption is totally right, but society doesn’t seem able to process things like that anymore. He’s being realistic but that’s seen as evil nowadays…

363483 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to p02099003, 2, #406 of 2062 🔗

yes, if we monitored any of the other 4 coronaviruses we’d have new strains popping up all the time. we’ve never done this sort of monitoring before

364038 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to p02099003, #407 of 2062 🔗

Ah, that Spock and his predictive programming. 🙂

This is the argument used to justify masks, distancing, lockdowns, the whole shooting match.

363433 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #408 of 2062 🔗

Utter madness. It will contribute to an arms race among countries who will seek to outdo eachother in the stringency of their quarantine regime and given that viruses mutate and this has always been know, and that vaccines need to be adjusted, it is clear that there is still some kind of mad zero-covid thinking going on, and no long-term plan.

If their vaccine can’t cope with mutations then it was never the saviour they have made it out to be. If a new one is needed every year, they really need to tell people.

363465 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Julian, 7, #409 of 2062 🔗

Indeed. It really could lead to a complete world shutdown with nothing gained whatsoever.

As for the vaccine, I agree, if it isn’t the saviour then we need to start being realistic and realise that we cannot keep this up. It would be time for the politicians to admit that they’ve failed to ‘crush the virus’ and be honest with the public.

I would also expect those who have given reluctant support to this most recent lockdown on the basis that ‘it’s the final push before the vaccine’ to change course and get real. I won’t hold my breath though.

363877 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #410 of 2062 🔗

Roger Bittel from Bittel tv, a swiss based free news station, read out an official statement from somewhere about the new strains with COULD/IF/ WOULD in every sentence. He started to laugh and could not stop for about 5 minutes. Watch it, it cheers you up.
DIES UND DAS – Tagesrückblick und Ausblick 17.1.2021 · DLive
about 10 minutes in

363422 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 27, #411 of 2062 🔗

Lost a friend yesterday. She posted an Instagram a comment recounting how she berated an American in a post office queue for not wearing a mask.
Caroline was outraged that the American told her that she didn’t have to and she (Caroline) should do some research.

363440 ▶▶ chaos, replying to PatrickF, 8, #412 of 2062 🔗

Now we see how atrocities happen.. how genocides happen.. how East Germany happened.

363491 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to chaos, 6, #413 of 2062 🔗

East Germany was nicer than this (I visited).
I went to an Imperial War Museum exhibit about the Berlin Wall etc. years ago showing a surveillance camera and paper files. It struck me as being terribly primitive – CCTV coverage in London was already near total at the time I went to the museum, and who needs paper when you have NSA/GCHQ computers?

363495 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Waldorf, 5, #414 of 2062 🔗

Agree. There is a good documentary on the net about the Stasi

The Stasi were pussycats compared with this lot

363423 Julian, replying to Julian, 36, #415 of 2062 🔗

There has been some criticism of Sumption for falling into a trap and also for not challenging the narrative strongly enough

I disagree on both counts

What he said will obviously have attracted hand-wringing, but it needed saying. As long as caveat all our statements with stuff like “every death is a tragedy) we are playing on the enemy’s terms and not in the sphere of actual reality, and as long as we do that we cannot win. If we ever win it will be in large measure due to people going back to accepting that health resources are finite and choices need to be made – they may not do this explicitly, but this is the compromise that we have always made, and it has to return.

As for him not challenging the narrative strongly enough, he has been brutal in his criticism of govt handling of the virus since the start, and has been one of the most effective at setting out the philosophical, ethical, politican and legal case against lockdowns, and warning of the corrosive effects of restrictions on the political life of countries. He has rarely if ever been on the back foot, and in every exchange I have ever seen or heard he has thoroughly trounced his opponent.

363460 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 15, #416 of 2062 🔗

I think most people would agree with him. We only hear from the shrieking bedwetters.

In April a friend of mine (nurse) got covid (9 days in bed – like a horrific flu). But he said the whole things being overplayed – its just culling a load of geriatrics. But you couldn’t be so blunt on TV.

363467 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Julian, 21, #417 of 2062 🔗

Agreed. As I recall John Lee saying some time ago – someone dying at near or past life expectancy is sad but not a tragedy. A young person dying from not getting cancer treatment is a tragedy.

363478 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, 9, #418 of 2062 🔗

Whip up a controversy around one of the best sceptic minds. Sounds like a master plan to discredit opposition to the government line. Mi5? 77 brigade? Hut18? BIT evils?

Actually be aware that the government side require sceptics to be there to be castigated. In order for a leader to leader a group it always helps to set up a danger. That is a group who can be cast to pose a threat to the leader’s narrative.

This strategy is millenia old. It is behind the Russia-bad West-good, it works in every situation where a leader leads a group.

So sceptics serve a pupose of being the wolves on the hirizon the sheep must guard and be guarded against.

364019 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 2, #419 of 2062 🔗

We’re the sheepdogs – hated by both sides, sheep (cos we embarrass them) and wolves (cos we frustrate/oppose/ignore their plans).

364947 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JohnB, #420 of 2062 🔗

Good analogy; but I would say “Shepherds”. It just sounds better.

363481 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Julian, 15, #421 of 2062 🔗

He’s quite right; the obsession with the prolongation of every life,no matter what the age, morbidity or prognosis, is unrealistic and has been all too successfully weaponised by the government and the media.

Some years ago, I discussed with a consultant cardiologist, whom I knew quite well, the need for age limited treatment protocols.

He agreed wholeheartedly, but confirmed that NHS policy would not allow it.

Many years ago, my aunt, terminally ill with lung cancer, was able to die peacefully thanks to the use of Mist. Brompton oral mixture, which was prescribed by her GP. It eased her pain and distress and was widely used at the time:(late 1970s).

If an elderly ,debilitated,incontinent, demented individual dies, it is a release, not a tragedy, whereas if a young life is lost to suicidal despair or suspension of ,say, cancer treatment, then we can use the word tragedy.

There is far too much emotional incontinence around; shrill denunciations and knee jerk condemnations of rational dissent.

363488 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to wendyk, 9, #422 of 2062 🔗

yes, 90% of covid deaths have been sad for the families but not tragedies.

the deaths from lockdown will be tragedies

363497 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 6, #423 of 2062 🔗

Again this goes back to the fact that because people live longer and with the wide availability of medicines and treatments, society is no longer used to deaths unlike in the past.

They’ve forgotten that death is a natural part of life. Look at how some people go ape when a character dies in a TV drama.

363889 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #424 of 2062 🔗

A lot of deaths incur in hospital, hospice or a care home.
People used to die at home.
Out of sight, out of mind.

363934 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #425 of 2062 🔗

the disconnect is even worse than that.. we see stories of kids not understanding where food comes from or that a cow needs to be killed for the mcdonalds they are eating . (i assume that is still where they get their meat)

364106 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mj, 4, #426 of 2062 🔗

The late Duchess of Devonshire (the youngest Mitford sister) noticed that when she used to give guided tours for school children on the Chatsworth farm. She recalled asking a schoolboy from Sheffield what he thought of the tour. He mentioned the cows being milked and he added “it’s the most disgusting thing I’ve seen in me entire life. I’ll never drink milk again.”

364840 ▶▶ TC, replying to Julian, 1, #427 of 2062 🔗

I saw the programme and Sumption was fine.
If you asked anyone who had children or grandchildren whether they would prefer to die in place of one of their children or grandchildren, what would you expect them to say?
I would like to think most would like to think they would do it, making an instinctive decision based on recognising their own life has less remaining to them than their descendants.
Without that recognition the human species might not be here.

363430 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 23, #428 of 2062 🔗

Surreal extension of Covid rules : our local Morrison’s will no longer slice their own fresh bakery bread .

For the life of me, and I’m trying to keep up with the increasing list of forbidden activities, I cannot see why the use of the in store, behind the counter bread slicer, should be so hazardous.

The long suffering staff are already masked , gloved and distanced, the bread is bagged and sealed on the display counter and does not pose any risk to life and limb that I can identify.

The sneaky virus has obviously mutated to an invasive bakery bread slicer colonising variant!

363466 ▶▶ Basics, replying to wendyk, 17, #429 of 2062 🔗

Crumbs!

363486 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Basics, 3, #430 of 2062 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣

363471 ▶▶ Annie, replying to wendyk, 9, #431 of 2062 🔗

Right back at the beginning of the bollox, I asked a Tesco goon if I could have my loaf sliced.
He was horrified by the bare idea. Instant death by coronacutter.

363485 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Annie, 1, #432 of 2062 🔗

I’ll have to invest in a Psycho-style knife Annie!

363500 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 2, #433 of 2062 🔗

Might have to bring a machete with me when I go shopping.

363529 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #434 of 2062 🔗

Can I come and watch?

363574 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 2, #435 of 2062 🔗

Indeed you can. Will bring an AK-47 as well.

363566 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 2, #436 of 2062 🔗

Our local cafe/bakery has no problems slicing loaves for you.

363434 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #437 of 2062 🔗

I told my mum I no longer go outside. She said ‘why don’t you just wear a visor?’

I told her I will wear my swimming goggles and snorkle with a mask on the opening if that made her happy.. she said that was ridiculous.

363464 ▶▶ Basics, replying to chaos, 2, #438 of 2062 🔗

Hard to know what words to use. A question about your upbringing. Why were you not introduced to visors as an item to wear begore now?

Hopefully not an offensive question, no offence intended. Myself I’m not sure I knew visors were a thing apart from during operations to cut through bone – but then my own up bringing was limited to not include protocols of medical fraud too.

363438 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 4, #439 of 2062 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/18/vaccine-lockdown-coronavirus-crisis
Emma Brockes at The Grauniad wanting to make the most of lockdown now that the vaccine is here. She seems to think this thing is nearly over. It may not suit the powers that be for that to be the case, though…
Meanwhile, in other news, people in London were fighting with knives and swords…

363448 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Waldorf, 3, #440 of 2062 🔗

Maybe there are that many levels to this deception.. some of the media class perhaps led to believe the vaccine was the end goal?

363442 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 54, #441 of 2062 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/17/immunity-passports-will-stoke-fires-inter-generational-rage/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&ICID=onwardjourneys_tgt-155_control_refresh-index0

Immunity passports will stoke the fires of inter-generational rage
_________________

Another ‘divide and rule’ article, with equally cretinous comments to match. It is definitely monstrously unfair on the young but let’s not ignore the fact that the very elderly have also been treated terribly throughout this farce. The solution does not lie with slinging mud at our fellow citizens, but uniting together against the government who has turned us against one another and made our lives a living hell.

I also find it interesting that a lot of the concerns about the Covid vaccine are simply met with cries of ‘anti-vaxxer’ and straw-man or ad hominem arguments. The vaccine supporters literally don’t have a decent response, because there just isn’t one.

It doesn’t matter if the greatest scientists on the planet have developed this vaccine; no one in the world is more than a few months post-injection so the long-term safety data just isn’t there. No number of arguments appealing to authority and the ‘miracle’ of science can hide that. The level of brainwashing is frightening; previously moderate people now saying that if you don’t have the vaccine, then you can’t participate in normal life. Experimental medical treatment without consent is forbidden by the Nuremberg Code.

It’s really quite terrifying how other people think that my fundamental human rights flow from what is pumped into my own body.

363625 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Poppy, 16, #442 of 2062 🔗

It seems that we have to go to the third world for common sense. Ecuador constitutional court requiring evidence for LD and curtailing human rights, Venezuela distributing Ivermectin and the Thai PM saying let the Western world be guina pigs, we’ll wait until they are deemed safe.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2052451/no-shots-until-proven-safe-pm

“Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha on Sunday insisted he won’t allow Thais to be used as guinea pigs to test the efficacy of Covid-19 vaccines, saying any jabs rolled out for use in Thailand must be proven to be safe.
On his Facebook page on Sunday, Gen Prayut responded to reports about the side effects following the administration of Covid-19 vaccines in a number of countries.
“We have to wait for experts to determine whether they have anything to do with the vaccines, or whether there were other factors such as underlying health conditions or age,” the prime minister wrote.
“Some countries wanted speedy vaccinations and decided to use vaccines whose efficacy and safety have not yet fully tested.”

363457 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 35, #443 of 2062 🔗

Got followed round Waitrose yesterday by a young security guy I had joshed with the other day. When he saw it was me he apologised profusely. About a minute later a middle aged Waitrose-uniformed bag about 5’ tall bustled up and told me I should be wearing a mask. Told her she was too late – talk to the other guy.

“Are you exempt then?” No ‘sir’.
“Yes”
“Well you should be wearing a lanyard then.”
“No I shouldn’t”
“You SHOULD”

very slowly – very close
“NO I SHOULDN’T”

Steps rapidly back and goes to ‘find’ somebody. Sadly, nobody was found as I had my Section 6 of the 2010 Equalities act bit ready. £900 – £9000 fine for harassment. For YOU, not the manager, not Waitrose – YOU!! Shall wrap it up and put it away till needed again.

363703 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to James Leary #KBF, 10, #444 of 2062 🔗

I stopped shopping at Waitrose in around July/August last year after 16 years of spending huge amounts with them. Every time I got there, they had an overzealous attitude to mask enforcing. The door goons (minimum wage) are not trained and despite conversations with the manager (even got a pot plant to say sorry) it never improved. One door goon even mentioned that the police could fine me – told the manager that i do not appreciate threats.

I voted with my feet – happily shopping at Ocado and top up at Morrison’s (very relaxed). Wine now obtained from local wine shop and online independent retailers. Waitrose treat their wine suppliers very badly

364159 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Victoria, 2, #445 of 2062 🔗

I made a point of going into my local Morrison’s because they were trying for ‘most zealous’ status. They’re a bit better now, but it’s still like shopping in a food bank where you have to pay.

363462 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 16, #446 of 2062 🔗

So if all lives are equally valuable in terms of QALYs, why do some people have “Baby on Board” stickers in the back of their car.

363477 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 11, #447 of 2062 🔗

When I see those, I just see ‘look how amazing and fertile I am’ and think to myself ‘oh, and there was me going to run you off the road, I won’t bother now that I know that you’re fertile’. Just a form of virtue signalling in my book.

363494 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 11, #448 of 2062 🔗

These signs were originally meant to be used to notify the emergency services that there was a baby in the car in the event of a crash, so that the child wasn’t overlooked.

363516 ▶▶ danny, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 3, #449 of 2062 🔗

Or imagine the Oxfam advert. Black and white. Coldplay music. But instead of a poorly little kid with a swollen belly, they choose a toothless old man, shaking his stick angrily at the camera.
Nobody could blame him for his anger, but they know full well that nobody would see that and open their wallet.
There is always a value judgement.

363993 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to danny, 2, #450 of 2062 🔗

Toothless old men should hit the camera (and cameraperson ?) with their sticks, not shake them to no purpose.

363468 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #451 of 2062 🔗

I’ve already chose my hang spot..
Above my 13 stairs
Filthy Boris is still leader
Still pushing Klaus nightmares

363473 ▶▶ saab93viggen, replying to chaos, 9, #452 of 2062 🔗

No, chaos – please don’t.

363482 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to saab93viggen, #453 of 2062 🔗

Hidden behind my VPN
My curtains always shut
Filthy still prime minister
With princess nut nut slut

363591 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to chaos, 4, #454 of 2062 🔗

These are some neat haikus..But please don’t top yourself. Do not let them win !

363990 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #455 of 2062 🔗

Had hoped you were thinking of hanging Johnson, chaos.

363476 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to chaos, 11, #456 of 2062 🔗

Please don’t think in those terms – even in jest. There is a future – things will change, and the difficulties we see are only the more oppressive because the compliance of the public is not longer there. They are pushing because they can’t win now. How long it will take to dismantle, only God knows.

In my experience the world is not like the press would like to tell us. The press seem to be running the country and it’s the tail wagging the dog. Them and the 77th Brigade.

Where can you go and what can you plan to look forward to?

363479 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to chaos, 11, #457 of 2062 🔗

please don’t even think like that

think of the people around you

my wife’s best friend took the ultimate decision 30 years ago and we still live with the consequences

363567 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to chaos, 6, #458 of 2062 🔗

You will NOT lose against these bastards.

364175 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to chaos, 4, #459 of 2062 🔗

I saw a Greek anarchist slogan on a wall which translated as “Do not turn your hands on yourself – turn them on the enemy”.

363484 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 12, #460 of 2062 🔗

Scotland has the highest percentage of people willing to have the jab, with 78% who will definitely have the vaccine.

Hahaha we are absolute sheep. I am leaving this country!

363489 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #461 of 2062 🔗

I wish I could too! What a dismal, cultish dump it has become.

363493 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #462 of 2062 🔗

I want the nanny state to disappear, big government to disappear, to get the hell out of my life

363517 ▶▶ Basics, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #463 of 2062 🔗

If true, sturgeon will be handsomely rewarded for getting rid of so much vaccine stock. As sales ‘man’ in chief she has done the bidding of GAVI perfectly. Simply hypnotise the cult and bewitch the needles into arms. It’s a bit like the bucket and mop scene from Fantasia.

363606 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #464 of 2062 🔗

Don’t forget, as we often say on here, polls have skewed questions and targeted audiences. Unless 100% are asked a totally unbiased question and answer it truthfully (which is never going to happen) we shouldn’t take it too seriously.

363872 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #465 of 2062 🔗

Opinion polls brought to you by the same people that gave us; 55% support Jeremy, only 40% support Brexit, 90% support lockdowns.
I like what someone put on here yesterday, always call this an experimental vaccine!

363492 Ewan Duffy, 5, #466 of 2062 🔗

Last week, I noted that the Irish KFC customer survey that they ask you to complete online (you get a 15% discount off the next order if you do – which is the only reason I complete the survey!) had a new section about how KFC in Ireland were “being safe” in these times and I gave them both barrels in my answer.

I did the survey again yesterday based on my latest visit and this question was gone. Small victories.

363496 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #467 of 2062 🔗

Mr Drakeford also says the case numbers in Wales have halved since before Christmas, with rates down to 300 cases per 100,000 from 650, he tells Sky News.

“Those are marginal gains this week but I think it has demonstrated that the system has stabilised and just begun to turn the corner.” he says.

if he thinks a 50% drop is a marginal gain or ‘just turning a corner’ then he’s going to struggle to understand R values, QALYs, FPRs and the rest

363519 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to steve_w, 7, #468 of 2062 🔗

Drakeford struggles to understand the time of day.

363540 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to steve_w, 3, #469 of 2062 🔗

Whitty mathematics, used to lie about the swift gains in April.

363555 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 9, #470 of 2062 🔗

Drakeford, in a press briefing that was obviously scripted, asserted that the virus is cruel. He claimed that SAGE had told him this. Apparently, the people in charge of the coronavirus responses do not even know that the virus is not alive.

363622 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #471 of 2062 🔗

Virus have feelings too

363733 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, 3, #472 of 2062 🔗

According to the official narrative. Not only feelings, but intentions and tactics and they can engage in complex behaviours. One has to wonder why people do not laugh at such absurdities.

363984 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #473 of 2062 🔗

The belief that the virus can tell the time, re curfews, pub & restaurant closures, etc., is a point that makes even most lockdowners chuckle.

364027 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to JohnB, 1, #474 of 2062 🔗

I am sure it is a scientific fact that the virus waits until after last orders before taking pubs by storm.

363501 LS99, 2, #475 of 2062 🔗

I would like to recommend The New Normal Documentary, linked to above.
Worth worthing before it is deleted! It is particularly good on the AI/surveillance roll out.

363502 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #476 of 2062 🔗

“We are also hearing that some of them are based around reasons that are religious, or they’ve got conditions, or it’s a fear… Very few are conspiracy theory types, but there are [some] within the numbers that we’ve been told about.

Lack of trust in institutions and authorities plays a larger part than the more extreme conspiracy theories. One in five (21%) mention a lack of trust in the pharmaceutical companies that made the vaccine as a reason for their opposition, while one in six (16%) “don’t trust the people who want us to take the vaccine”.

One in five (21%) of those sceptical about taking a vaccine say that this because they believe “the side effects and potential risks of the vaccine are worse than the disease itself”, while just over one in 10 (13%) “would rather let nature take its course”.

God forbid we have some conspiracy theorists within the ranks with all their crazy ideas…

363505 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 14, #477 of 2062 🔗

I won’t even consider a vaccine until there is no coercion, no mandates and that a court makes it clear any organisation who even steps in that direction will suffer serious consequences.

Then we can talk.

363681 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #478 of 2062 🔗

Also remove the liability exemption.

363503 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 26, #479 of 2062 🔗

The impact on children is indefensible. The reason why we are allowing children to suffer, care workers to lose their jobs because they won’t stock a drug in their arm, quarantining healthy people in camps, is because we don’t give people a voice anymore. We are living in a captured state, for elites to decide our future. We have no say in this as it stands.

Happy Monday everyone. Please don’t give up on this as they will not stop until dignity and integrity is gone.

To add to the piece on the children, Unicef recognise Schools are not drivers of infection and closing them has been a catastrophic mistake.

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/children-cannot-afford-another-year-school-disruption

363554 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 17, #480 of 2062 🔗

Agree. I think we will have a lost generation where the children of today will be scarred by all this one way or another. And any damage with either be hard to shift or irreversible altogether.

It’s bizarre how many child experts and charities were constantly making noises about the amount of time children spent in front of screen until early last year. Now where are they? Nowhere to be seen and heard and probably happy to parrot government and Sage nonsense.

These “experts” like many of TPTB deserve to pay for their betrayal and the damage they’ve caused. At the bare minimum they should be stripped of their professional qualifications and be barred from practising for the rest of their lives.

363694 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #481 of 2062 🔗

This kind of disregard for their professional integrity is evident across the board. Fear and psychological terrorism from UK Gov has played its role here so I give people some room for sympathy. However, as I said, in the case of children this is now indefensible, however if they speak out now, end this madness all is forgiven in my book.

The idiots who make claims that schools are death traps are the real criminals. The BRUTUS movement is one example.

https://mobile.twitter.com/parents_utd?lang=en

Concern for schools dressed up in awful science, playing on people’s emotions and getting it unbelievably wrong. Hurting the children in the process.

Their twitter is enraging

363707 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #482 of 2062 🔗

Their primary document is just extremism in every sense

363734 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #483 of 2062 🔗

And claims that 50% of all child admissions to hospitals are for Covid. This is just crazy stuff.

363820 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #484 of 2062 🔗

It’s highly irresponsible of them to put out data like this which is clearly false and misleads people.

And these parents who advocate shutting down school, hope they’re ready because there will be hell for them to pay. The kids of today will be the leaders of tomorrow and they as the old people will be reliant on them.

They have been warned.

363980 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #485 of 2062 🔗

Brutus group is driven by 77th, surely ?

364111 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 1, #486 of 2062 🔗

Won’t be surprised if that’s true.

363840 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #487 of 2062 🔗

I think we will have a lost generation where the children of today will be scarred by all this one way or another. And any damage with either be hard to shift or irreversible altogether.

Kids are pretty resilient. Talk of a ‘lost generation’ or ‘irreversible’ is ott, imho.

364114 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 1, #488 of 2062 🔗

That maybe true but some damage will not manifest themselves until they’ve grown up.

364528 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, #489 of 2062 🔗

As often is the case, it’s all down to parents. Although it is much harder with kids who aren’t at verbal reasoning stage.

363682 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #490 of 2062 🔗

Apparently schools were closed on short notice (14 hours in our case) in January as the Government tried to save face after the ‘testing in schools’ debacle. A huge number of parents refused to allow their children to be tested at school and many teachers refused to be involved in the testing. (Sorry no formal link)

STOP demonising our children!!!

363506 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #491 of 2062 🔗

I wouldn’t want to be on the wrong side when the doors get blown off this

363891 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 1, #492 of 2062 🔗

Zulus to the Southwest – thousands of ’em

363509 kpaulsmith1463, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 5, #493 of 2062 🔗

Re; the Spike Milligan verse – who can see smiles, anymore?

363544 ▶▶ Basics, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 2, #494 of 2062 🔗

With work you can. It is important we do. Perhaps one of the most important things to do.

363510 swedenborg, 11, #495 of 2062 🔗

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wikrwg2msofnloe/Excess%20Deaths%202020%20-%20First%20vs%20Second%20Wave%20-%20Spain.pdf?dl=0
From these useful charts from Spain,the below chart of total excess death per age in Spain says it all. There is no pandemic for anyone under 60. There has not been a pandemic for them. A vaccination is an individual decision and should never be taken for altruistic purposes.  How can you pressure people not in risk groups below 60 to take this still experimental vaccine? How can 10 % GDP fall (prize of NHS for one year) by LD help the elderly?

363514 mikewaite, 5, #496 of 2062 🔗

In the posts above there is the comment:
The proportion of the population that must be infected or inoculated to achieve “herd immunity” is uncertain, but it is likely to be more than 80%.
I wonder where tha 80% figure comes from. In my amateurish browsing though some of the hopefully relevant medical literature I came across this :

‘‘Herd Immunity’’: A Rough Guide
Paul Fine, Ken Eames, and David L. Heymann
Department of Infectious Disease Epidemiology, London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, London, United Kingdom
DOI: 10.1093/cid/cir007
or
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/52/7/911/299077

An introduction to herd immunity ( a subject that has caused some robust debate here lately) and vaccination.
If the initial R0 figure for a completely susceptible population is less trhan 2 , then only about 65% vaccination is required for eventual herd immunity, provided of course that the vaccines prevent transmission of the disease and provide immunity to infection- debatable for these vaccines at present I understand.
There is one caveat in that paper. If there is a significant proportion of the population that is resistant to the vacination (almost the same as saying that the vaccine does not prevent transmission) then even 100% vaccination is pointless.
Now that paper is 10 years old . It might represent the onsensus then , but later work may have changed the consensus

363532 Bart Simpson, 15, #497 of 2062 🔗

Mr Bart and I did our weekend exercise round the Southbank then turning left towards St Paul’s and the City. It was great weather and there were loads of people enjoying the sunny but crisp. cool day.

I do get the feeling that more and more people are fed up being cooped up at home but with very limited options hence why the Southbank was busy as there was nowhere else to go.

It will be interesting to see if our supine businesses will follow Mexico, Italy and Poland and start the fightback. Surely they realise that we can’t go on like this.

363535 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 24, #498 of 2062 🔗

I’ve taken to telling the sheep that think this is all some sort of very temporary local government exercise, that I’m perfectly willing to spill blood to get the ‘old normal’ back. They think it’s just a few more weeks and are horrified. I have gone mad. I don’t mean it. Then I ask what would be different from the last two World Wars when we asked our young to go out into the world and spill blood for freedom that we hadn’t actually lost at the point their sons were killing strangers? As a country we have NEVER been as close as we are now to fascism. We are in it. So what’s the surprise?

363562 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to James Leary #KBF, 19, #499 of 2062 🔗

I’ve had the conversation where someone says, “still, ha, mustn’t grumble, you know? Can’t do anything about it, just got to get on with it, no use grousing, bla bla bla” and I reply, “I don’t think I could have changed history if I’d been living in Germany in 1935 but I like to think I’d at least have given it a try.”

363593 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to James Leary #KBF, 16, #500 of 2062 🔗

Fascism was implemented on 23 March 2020. There was hardly a murmur of dissent or protest.

363680 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #501 of 2062 🔗

It was the jackboot of Neo-Liberal corporatism – which had been around for a while but never physically enforced until now

363642 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #502 of 2062 🔗

yes, until 2020 we knew that life was not worth it at any price, not the supreme value, and that we should always be prepared to both die and kill for the only life worth having – a life of freedom. I like the Martin Luther King quotation above the line: so true, death is not to be equated with the mere cessation of bodily function, that is merely an incidental, death occurs when you surrender your soul.

363538 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 4, #503 of 2062 🔗

Another Police mess up regarding lack of proof of exemption https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9158827/Moment-police-eject-woman-Sainsburys-refuses-wear-mask.html
“The self-proclaimed anti-masker in the Sainsbury’s video claimed police were not allowed to ask her ‘disability’ so could not force her to leave.
The gov.uk website says police can take measures if members of the public do not comply with the face covering law without a valid exemption’.
On the same page it also says – according to the law – those with an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering do not ‘routinely need to show any written evidence of this’.
However, guidance on enforcement puts an onus on people claiming a medical exemption to prove this when challenged by police, meaning that officers can ask them to leave or fine them if they fail to do so”
Surely incorrect?

363777 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to arfurmo, 5, #505 of 2062 🔗

A lot of these coronavirus regulations are smoke and mirrors so as to imply more than they actually say. The guidance says ‘people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment or disability’. If we are not wearing a facemask and see no reason to when the majority are doing so then clearly we have a mental health issue compared to the rest of the population (we are sane!) and so we have a mental health issue. In my view all we need to say is that we have confidential mental health issues the details of which it would be dangerous to discuss in detail, other than with a mental health professional. As there is almost zero chance of getting a mental health professional to do any such assessment the matter should end there.

If you want to prove to yourself that you do have a mental health issue you can do an ‘on-line’ autism test, I did and came out with a score on the autism spectrum, anyone who has managed to maintain a sceptical stance during this hoo-haa would, in my view, easily get such a score so you are not lying, it is the truth.

363929 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Steve Martindale, #506 of 2062 🔗

Ah, the old Catch 22 again. You have to be sane to know it is madness to wear a mask, so if your sane you do not have an exemption from wearing a mask.

363541 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #507 of 2062 🔗

Preston local rag have self censored their own article – telephone from the boys..?

“Preston councillor rushed to hospital with severe Covid vaccine side-effects
A Preston councillor had to be rushed to hospital after suffering extreme side-effects from his Covid-19 vaccine.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20210116141910/https://www.lep.co.uk/health/coronavirus/preston-councillor-rushed-hospital-severe-covid-vaccine-side-effects-3103026

Temperature went up to 40c after the injection.

Seems to have been a labour candidate in Lambeth but moved to Preston for councillor job.

364577 ▶▶ Woden, replying to Basics, 1, #508 of 2062 🔗

Yes, but later he was encouraging people to get it, just a little prick!

363542 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #509 of 2062 🔗

All engagement with the mainstream media should stop. Jonathan Sumption has fallen victim to the new shitbag totalitarianism whereby people pretend to be offended even though they know exactly what was meant, purely in order to shut down a voice they’d decided in advance was dissident.

It was naive of him to go on that programme. They have ample trumped-up material to cancel him now.

363545 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 22, #510 of 2062 🔗

I humbly disagree, for reasons stated below

He said what needed saying, and what most people have always tacitly accepted, but this year forgotten

363552 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Julian, 10, #511 of 2062 🔗

Agreed. His objective truth pill, was just to hard for them to swallow.

363568 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Julian, 6, #512 of 2062 🔗

I know he did. But it doesn’t matter what he said. They will destroy him.

363578 ▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #513 of 2062 🔗

My guess is he’s principled and self-confident enough not to care.

363619 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Adamb, 2, #514 of 2062 🔗

I don’t know, persecution is always stressful, even though you might know your tormentors are lower than rodents, but more to the point, they are taking down the precious foot soldiers on our side, and we can’t afford to lose them

363892 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to JaneHarry, #515 of 2062 🔗

Indeed we can’t.

363713 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #516 of 2062 🔗

The thing is it folk like Sumption can afford to be cancelled. People near retirement or retired should be the most vocal.

363548 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #517 of 2062 🔗

From Sky news:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBlj1olpeZ0&feature=youtu.be

Sky News admit majority of UK COVID-19 death statistics are #FAKE​ statistics

363556 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #518 of 2062 🔗

Is it true the new ‘variants’ come from countries who have dropped out of the ‘great reset’. ie Brazil, and need to be ‘isolated’

363582 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to DanClarke, 2, #519 of 2062 🔗

I don’t know, SA seems pretty on board with the covid hysteria, and we’ve even had our very own super mutant ‘English strain’ right here in COVID central!

363649 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to DanClarke, 4, #520 of 2062 🔗

Someone pointed out the other day that the new variants (Hancock Variant, Saffer Strain and the Covicobana) all come from countries where the Oxford vaccine was tested. Every country should get its own variant soon now the phase 3 trials with 8billion guinea pigs is underway.

363663 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, 1, #521 of 2062 🔗

oh noooo I might get an extra cold per year

363559 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #522 of 2062 🔗

So silly bollocks handcock has been seen out pretending to play rugby and now MSM are questioning the sums…..hmm

363588 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to stefarm, 6, #523 of 2062 🔗

MSM finally deciding to stand up and be counted, risk the wrath of OFCOM?

Cracks in the narrative dam appearing caused by all our banging with sledgehammers?

363594 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #524 of 2062 🔗

I might be wrong but isn’t that after heneghan pointed out there was no time limit on classifying covid deaths many months back?

363620 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Adamb, 2, #525 of 2062 🔗

Don’t know but it was uploaded 16th January.

My friend only sent it through this morning.

363658 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #526 of 2062 🔗

Old report

363693 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to vargas99, 1, #527 of 2062 🔗

Probably – it talked about 45,000 dead or so from Covid – the most recent figures are 88,000 or so. I am sure the figures are manipulated.

363859 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #528 of 2062 🔗

An old report. This is when Carl Henegen pointed out that nobody could ever recover from CV-19 due to how PHE counted deaths

363914 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #529 of 2062 🔗

This was from the summer when they changed the reporting of deaths to the 28days.

363551 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 9, #530 of 2062 🔗

Pinged an email to my local MP moron:

Dear MP,

I was pleased to see your speech just before the Christmas recess calling for, among other things, an approach towards CV19 that relates to deaths, not positive cases.

As we know a disease is only confirmed when you present symptoms. Covid is a world first as many need to have a test to know they’ve even got it. Couple that with PCR test and we’re in a cycle of lockdown that will never end without leadership/policy change.

We also know that asymptomatic transmission does not occur ( https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4436/rr-10 ) and that mass testing using PCR is so problematic to be criminal when it’s ‘results’ are used to lock away a healthy population for the first time in human history. They’ve even been discredited in court in Portugal ( https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/12/08/peter-roderick-is-it-lawful-to-require-self-isolation-after-a-positive-covid-19-test/ )

If we stopped testing would we know there was a pandemic?

But I digress;

There are serious implications to the travel corridor hotel isolation announcement over the weekend. A few questions that should illustrate my concerns:

  1. Is it true that we are bringing in new isolation measures because of the ‘new variant’ of CV19, mainly found in Brazil? (Sars Cov-2 has mutated 12760 times since I last looked https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6 )
  1. Do you agree that new variants mean that people could be susceptible to reinfection?
  1. Do you agree that new variants mean that those who’ve had the vaccine could also be susceptible?
  1. Is the policy of hotel quarantine in relation to the new variants above?
  1. Would you agree that the Gov are downplaying virus mutation and vaccine resistance during a rollout to millions of British citizens?
  1. Whilst simultaneously using that fear to impose more travel restrictions?
  1. If our current government stay in power, employing extreme caution over potential vaccine efficacy towards new strains (which mutate at massive rate naturally) how will normal travel, life, enjoyment, agency, economy ever resume?
  1. Are you not worried that there appears to be no end to this? That the cycle of New Variant – Vaccine doesn’t work – Lockdown – Vaccinate – New Variant will never end without finally accepting risk as part of being human?

Is it ethical that fear is being used to drive an agenda that is so focussed on one thing – it ignores the damage it’s doing in other ways?

Bristol University’s Prof Thomas wrote in the Spectator that we could be seeing 560,000 excess deaths because of lockdown alone (that was before the latest, never ending, soul destroying, life sapping lockdown) Far outweighing any predictions from the discredited Prof Ferguson.

A change of direction is needed. Please consider supporting the CRG.

Thanks for your time. A former Conservative Party Member – you never know I may return if you stop destroying perfectly healthy people’s lives.

All the best,

Lord R!

363564 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 9, #531 of 2062 🔗

how will normal travel, life, enjoyment, agency, economy ever resume?

It won’t, and this has been the plan all along. Our best hope is somehow to survive the complete collapse of civilisation and humanity and rebuild from scratch.

363641 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Richard O, 8, #532 of 2062 🔗

The thing is I still don’t believe that is the plan. I know many on here would disagree.
At first I said there is no conspiracy at all, but for many months I have believed there is a massive conspiracy of monumental arse covering. They missed their easy get out opportunity around May 2020 to say “Great news folks, it’s less dangerous than we feared so we are going to shield those at risk, if they wish, and get on back to normal life”. Instead they allowed themselves to be pushed time and time again by the SAGE lefties and Ferguson and now have absolutely no way out without confessing they overreacted which would be politically disastrous.

363771 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to WasSteph, 3, #533 of 2062 🔗

That is exactly where I am. Whether a public inquiry will ever get to the bottom of it all is the question.

363816 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Will, 7, #534 of 2062 🔗

You’re both nice people, and so find it hard to believe that evil beings are carrying out their plan to end society, kill billions, and reshape the world.

363901 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to JohnB, 3, #535 of 2062 🔗

Sweet of you to say I’m nice. Mostly I think I am but hell has no fury like a mother whose offspring are harmed. If it comes to that other than what they are already suffering I will turn very nasty indeed.
I have two adult sons. One is an ICU doctor (yes Biker, it is true) who has been persuaded to accept the vaccine. I’m pleased the NHS can’t organise a piss up in a brewery and so his appointment is not imminent.
I’m not anti vaxx – they have both had their full set of immunisations. I also believe the chances are that it is mostly safe. However, I am against a rushed and under tested vaccine for a 99.7% survivable disease. We just don’t have the long term data yet.

363624 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #536 of 2062 🔗

Good letter.

363553 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #537 of 2062 🔗

Freedom certificate’ is an oxymoron. This was a ‘conspiracy theory’ a few short months ago.

Re:
Covid passports: a freedom certificate that may get the world travelling again thetimes.co.uk

https://twitter.com/BareReality/status/1350721195033899008?s=20

363576 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Basics, 3, #538 of 2062 🔗

The vaccinations needed for various countries cost quite a bit, and are compulsory for some countries, obviously this money spinner had gone under the radar for long enough.

363665 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DanClarke, 3, #539 of 2062 🔗

The EU had a road map for them in this document from 2018. It never was a conspiracy theory.

363686 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #540 of 2062 🔗

Fascinating document, have you got the source link?

363849 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard O, 1, #541 of 2062 🔗

It’s the first result here

https://bfy.tw/QAQU

363926 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #542 of 2062 🔗

Very interesting

364202 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Basics, 2, #543 of 2062 🔗

Yes, the wall-eyed “conspiracy theories” of the first half of last year are turning into reality. Hence the uptick in ridicule and marginalisation fo those who criticise this.

363557 DThom, replying to DThom, 12, #544 of 2062 🔗

With regard to the hotel quarantine story. It seems like they are trying to think of more and more outrageous ways to treat people. Perhaps they get an award for whoever comes up with the worst punishment!

363616 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DThom, 9, #545 of 2062 🔗

This is laying the foundations for the complete cessation of all civilian international travel.

363717 ▶▶▶ Draefend, replying to Richard O, 6, #546 of 2062 🔗

Sadly, I have been of this opinion for a while. Back to the good old days when only the super wealthy, the titled and international criminals could travel abroad.

Shame I work(ed) in the travel industry.

364161 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Richard O, #547 of 2062 🔗

Totally agree! To fit with the green agenda and carbon neutral wacko theories.
Will be interesting when the sheep clock on to this and their 2 weeks holiday in Benidorm isn’t going to happen! There’s going be tears before bedtime.
Myself i’m thinking of getting a one way ticket to somewhere else later this year, as i’m being made redundant in June – bad timing in many respects but if i can go elsewhere for a few months maybe…

363795 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DThom, 8, #548 of 2062 🔗

I think this is to make travelling as inconvenient and bankrupting for us ordinary Joe that in the end the only one who can afford to do so are the super rich, celebs, politicians and royals.

While the rest of us make do with Bognor Regis.

363565 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #549 of 2062 🔗

There was some chap on Radio 4 yesterday, someone high up, a head of something or other, he seemed to know his onions, saying them as gets jabs could still be infectious! So, continuous mask wearing I think that means. TINE – there is no escape!

363971 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #550 of 2062 🔗

They might still be infectious because the vaccine, according to the manufacturers themselves, hasn’t been shown to prevent someone from contracting the virus. The only claim regarding possible benefits is that the ‘vaccine’ might reduce symptoms. In other words it is about as effective as taking a paracetamol at the first sign of symptoms would be, only more dangerous.

364333 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #551 of 2062 🔗

Since they say you can “have” it without symptoms, a vaccine can hardly reduce them. And if you will believe that you will believe anything I suppose.

363570 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 9, #552 of 2062 🔗

Just an observation, that the muzzled have now discovered there is no need to be rehydrated every minute, and coffee and bottled sales have gone down as they’re not compatible with a muzzle

363597 ▶▶ saab93viggen, replying to DanClarke, 2, #553 of 2062 🔗

Brilliant.

363721 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, 5, #554 of 2062 🔗

all part of the revenge of the working class
If they come for our pubs we will decimate their fancy swanky pret -a-marxist eateries

363575 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #555 of 2062 🔗

Friend sent me this link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0cbIzJy-R0&feature=youtu.be

Most of it we already know but I wonder how long before the censorship kicks in?

364787 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, #556 of 2062 🔗

Now banned 🙁

363577 Stephen Priest, 4, #557 of 2062 🔗

10,000 Austrian’s Take To The Streets Vienna / Hugo Talks #lockdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyTrQbWpe_4&list=WL&index=62

363580 swedenborg, 9, #558 of 2062 🔗

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1351066808732835842 “California stops administering a batch of 330,000 (!) Moderna vaccine doses after at least six health care workers at a single vaccination site suffered allergic reactions requiring medical attention in a few hours.”

363581 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 27, #559 of 2062 🔗

On Good Morning Britain this morning, Devi Sridhar, the public health academic, denied the Quality Adjusted Life Years are part of health policy and practice, claiming that all lives are equally valuable. This was a blatant lie. There is no other way to categorise it. Her lying was just one part of the Piers Morgan/ITV’s outrageous attack on Jonathan Sumption. These people really are shameless.

363599 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #560 of 2062 🔗

it’s possible, if you’re inclined to be generous to her, that she might just be completely stupid. one of the many ‘useful idiots’ , the people who push their way into good jobs despite being a complete airhead

363710 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #561 of 2062 🔗

She is a professor of public health policy. QALYs is so basic to public health policy that even a first year undergraduate would know about it. The notion that a professor of public health does not know about it is incredible. No one in her position could be that ignorant. It is not possible.

363867 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #562 of 2062 🔗

Diversity hire.

364798 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #563 of 2062 🔗

Friends in right places!

364104 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #564 of 2062 🔗

I posted something about this charlatan later in today’s comments. She’s just an anthropologist and she’s not very bright, so she knows nothing about what’s really happening here but seems to have media (and perhaps other) connections.

364260 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #565 of 2062 🔗

She is connected to the Clintons through Chelsea.

364276 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #566 of 2062 🔗

not very bright – egotistical expert idiot. Long since selected as globalist mouth piece. Youngest rhodes scholar.

364799 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 1, #567 of 2062 🔗

Essentially, she’s a shill.

363655 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #568 of 2062 🔗

That’s just ridiculous. A quick google
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28983924

Ofcom. Ipso. Whoever is teh relevant body. She needs to be told.

363662 ▶▶ rose, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #569 of 2062 🔗

I don’t really think that the argument is whose lives are more important than anyone else’s but are older people happy that, in order for them to lessen their already slim chance of dying from Covid 19, all young people have to have their whole lives ruined. Do they really believe that the young should not be entitled to an education, a social life, No friends or extended family, no swimming lessons, tennis, football, or any physical excersise, no fun, no Christmas, no shopping, No face, No hope for their future as the economy is ruined?

364070 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to rose, 6, #570 of 2062 🔗

Speaking as an older person I neither want to be protected nor force anyone else to protect anyone else.

363669 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #571 of 2062 🔗

These types of people need showing up. Dangerous individuals.

Also, people like Devi need to be kept ‘on topic’. Are the interventions working? Do you still support a zero-Covid policy? Why are numbers through the roof if masks are being worn? etc. No scapegoating, no sleights of hand, this is your policy – own it.

363768 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #572 of 2062 🔗

She made the point of blaming anyone (obviously another attack on Sumption) who has argued against lockdowns as being responsible for the fact that lockdowns continue to be necessary. According to her, if no one had argued against the lockdowns, they would have been successful.

363873 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #573 of 2062 🔗

Perhaps just a bit of a whinge would have worked (on the homeopathic principle).

363684 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #574 of 2062 🔗

You’re just buying into the misdirection again, its irrelevant, you’re asking the wrong question, you should be asking how she’s qualified to be involved in managing covid19 !

363719 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #575 of 2062 🔗

She is a social anthropologist, silly – of course she is qualified!

363590 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 13, #576 of 2062 🔗

An interesting knock-on effect from this coronavirus situation. Someone I know is a pharmaceutical rep. and he’s going to be made redundant along with a whole group of them. If GPs are not seeing patients, and people are not receiving medications, then big pharma is going to see a downturn. Will this help change the narrative?

363673 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to this is my username, 5, #577 of 2062 🔗

Not really, hospitals are only treating covid & big pharma is profiting plenty from the “vaccines”. Probably plays into their hands reducing competition & buying any small businesses, creating even bigger corporate monopolies.

363723 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to this is my username, 4, #578 of 2062 🔗

pfizer’s vaccine output will make up 50% of their current turnover. The vaccine is all about profit.

363592 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 20, #579 of 2062 🔗

LS continues to focus on depressing stories, the first about quarantine, second about attacks on Sumption and then 2 talking about ‘second waves’ and ‘covid inpatients’ both the latter being wrong or meaningless. Please stick to stories of people resisting, Italy, Majid Nawaz and Spike Milligan.

364096 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Bungle, 1, #580 of 2062 🔗

Yes, there is too much ‘catastrophising’ here, which is bad for morale and a distortion of the big picture. We all have bad days, but come on. People are waking up.

363598 Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, 25, #581 of 2062 🔗

The Twatterati outrage to Sumption’s remarks is hilarious, while at the same time they support the exact same decision process currently being made by the government by prioritising a response to Covid above all else.

Our society is dangerously deficient in reasoning ability.

363863 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, 3, #582 of 2062 🔗

NICE and NHS are based on QALYs. They seem happy to accept those consequences.

363967 ▶▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #583 of 2062 🔗

Indeed. Which is precisely what Sumption was describing.

363602 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 13, #584 of 2062 🔗

I have a concern about exactly what this site is standing for and wants to happen.
It attempts to differentiate between attacks on it calling it ‘anti-covid’ and its title ‘anti-lockdown’. Is the stated aim only to stop the government only imposing lockdowns, but is it quite happy for it to persue vaccinations and consequently ‘passports’? I am not sure because it tends to call those passports as dystopian.
I think its important because my own belief is that the fundamental problem is the nature of the thing called ‘covid-19’. Its been defined as something which is recorded from a RNA test called PCR which involves multiple amplifications to find the RNA of something given to a german by the Chinese, far in excess of reality and against the advice of the tests inventor. You could describe me as ‘anti-covid’ because I do not believe any, none at all, of the statistics eminating from the use of this testing process. Consequently I do not believe any of the messages given out by any government about something they call ‘covid-19’.
Consequently all the measures invented to deal with this issue; masks, social distancing, lockdowns etc are in my mind completely based on unproven data and should be dismissed out of hand.
I live in France and am very happy that the French government has proved to be incompetant at organising the roll-out of unproven jabs that are not proven to immunise against something with unproven data. The Norwegian experience is showing how beneficial that ‘incompetance’ might prove to be.
Information about the legal challenges to the validity of the PRC tests in Germany seems to have dried up, as has the evidence based information from the likes of Heneghan. Have they been muzzled? Destroying the validity of the PCR tests could release us from this nightmare.
I sincerely hope this site puts all its efforts behind finding out the answer to this silence , it is the weakness of the PCR test that needs to be exploited. Concentrate efforts there.

363637 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 13, #585 of 2062 🔗

The Germany case is moving forward in a Co ordinated global push in various courts including Canada and Italy. The msm does not report this.

There have also been court declarations in Bosnia and Peru that lockdowns have been based on zero evidence.

People are moving forward on their own now in Italy, Poland and no doubt others soon to follow.

This is a slow burner, but once the tinder is lit, I don’t think it can be extinguished. Again, the msm are not reporting on this.

The psychological damage done to the UK is extreme. They are demoralised and believe the vaccine will end this. Listen to the media today, the vaccine is the carrot to contain the people for a time more.

We know this is not the truth.

363666 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to peyrole, 5, #586 of 2062 🔗

yep, I had an argument with some friends about the PCR test, one of them had had 2 negative test before xmas then got unwell (probably exasperated by propaganda induced fear) and had a positive test – so my points to all were blown out the water by his experience.

For me the only way this will get resolved is the total destruction of the PCR test. This will be a legal process by Dr Fuellmich and all his associates around the world. Unfortunately the legal process is not a fast process.

The legal process is needed because the mass media and its investigative journalists have, for what ever reason, utterly failed.

Even after the lawyers and their expert witnesses have succeeded there will still be the covid religion, fed by emotion and fear – but this is just a human weakness

363818 ▶▶ Julian, replying to peyrole, 4, #587 of 2062 🔗

It depends what you mean by “this site”. TY has his views, as do the other writers. Not sure to what extent the other writers are directed or edited by TY to follow certain lines and avoid others – that is TY’s business. They link to wide variety of articles.

Below the line people have a variety of views.

Whatever your views on whether covid “exists” or not, it’s possible to oppose lockdowns

As to vaccines, personally I think it’s fine to debate the vaccine as it is part of the coronapanic – but others prefer to read more carefully for various reasons

363603 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #588 of 2062 🔗

Wales online

The First Minister said Wales was using all the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, which is made in the UK and can be kept in a fridge, as they get it. But he defended keeping back tens of thousands of doses of the Pfizer vaccine that had been given to Wales as he said it had to last until the beginning of February.
“We won’t get another delivery of that until the end of January, probably the beginning of February,” he said. “We have to use that over that six week stretch. It would be logistically very damaging to try and use all of that in the first week, and then to have all our vaccinators standing around with nothing to do for another month.”

Hmmm! Reminds me of an old army story

Squaddie goes to the stores to have his boots replaced

Storemaster ‘What size

Sq “eight”

St “Sorry out of luck”

Sq “Why?, there is a pair on the shelf behind you”

St “They are the last ones, if I let you have them I won’t have any left”

363656 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 2, #589 of 2062 🔗

They more they hold it back the better – hopefully it will go off

363688 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, 5, #590 of 2062 🔗

In my regiment the quartermaster’s working mantra was: “Stores are for storing. If they were for issuing, they’d be called issuers.”

363722 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #591 of 2062 🔗

Even he stupid covidians are turning on him

363924 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cecil B, 3, #592 of 2062 🔗

There was an article in the Speccie today which began:
“Mark Drakeford has been a popular figure throughout the pandemic. The Welsh First Minister’s authoritative grasp of detail and his professorial briefings have helped foster a sense of national confidence that ministers in Cardiff have a better grip on the public health emergency than politicians in Westminster. ”

Unfortunately it was not satire.

I did point out that Drakeford made the purchasing of tampons illegal at one point. He is an authoritarian idiot.

363947 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #593 of 2062 🔗

As one of his prisoners, I’d like to get a better grip on Drakeford.

Preferably by the throat.

363605 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 14, #594 of 2062 🔗

Latest email to the Irish Government – in this case, to Simon Harris who is the Minister for Higher Education (was the Minister for Health at the start of the scamdemic):

Dear Mr. Harris

I refer to your comments published in the Irish Examiner, suggesting that those whose livelihoods have been destroyed by government fiat “upskill”.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40208777.html

If society is going to reopen, why would these people need to upskill – they can go back to their old jobs, unless what you are tacitly saying is that Ireland is now an open air prison which will never re-open.

Going forward, to maintain this open air prison, there will obviously need to be an increase in thugs and goons on the State payroll to hand out fines for living. There is no skill required in this task and therefore educating the populace would, in fact, be counterproductive.

Yours sincerely

Ewan Duffy

363627 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #595 of 2062 🔗

These people are moving along with their agenda whether the people want it or not.

363608 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 33, #596 of 2062 🔗

As I put in an e-mails this weekend to various MPs, MSM outlets etc supporting Toby:

“I take it as a matter of pride that after nearly a year of repeating the same idiocy over and over neither people like you, MPs who think like you, other zealots, the government, SAGE, councils, the WHO, Bill Gates and so can can do anything to refute the lockdown sceptics and independent scientist’s arguments using facts, rational arguments, science and reason but just resort to psychological propaganda, control, censorship, bullying, threats and insults”

363623 ▶▶ rose, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #597 of 2062 🔗

Thank you for your tireless efforts AG

363651 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to rose, 7, #598 of 2062 🔗

Seconded.

363701 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to rose, 8, #599 of 2062 🔗

I don’t know how AG finds the time as he isn’t actually working also. He, Rosie and kh go to the top of my list some recognition once this is over. I hope we can all meet up. Realistically it can’t all be in one place but some regional meets would be great.

363822 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 2, #600 of 2062 🔗

Why or why does the predictive text always change is into isn’t?

364984 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to WasSteph, 1, #601 of 2062 🔗

…and Annie!

363632 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #602 of 2062 🔗

The level of desperation is such that it will not be long before these tactics spill over into physical intimidation and violence.

Ultimately the only way to silence our voices is to kill us. I lay down this gauntlet to anyone reading this comment who is not a sceptic.

363699 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Richard O, 4, #603 of 2062 🔗

Ohhhh YES! And no-one is ever prepared for those who’ve already determined their willingness to pay this price. The Law of Unintended Consequences is the only true Law, and it’s a bitch.

364986 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Richard O, #604 of 2062 🔗

Molon Labe.

363610 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 24, #605 of 2062 🔗

So, despite all the blather from supermarkets that you have to state you are ‘ medically exempt’, this straight from the horse’s mouth (Chief Executive’s Office, Tesco):

Hi K
Thank you for your email.
Yes you’re right, just saying you are exempt is enough, no further conversation is necessary.
Kind regards,

363628 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to kh1485, 6, #606 of 2062 🔗

Hmm not even ‘Can I see your lanyard? “. Out in the field the conversation would be moving onto that.

363802 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 6, #607 of 2062 🔗

They should circulate this among their staff along with a threat that any member of staff who harasses and bullies a customer for not wearing a lanyard would be given their P45 and marched out of the premises immediately.

364886 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, #608 of 2062 🔗

Yes. It really should be a simple case of staff training. Not exactly rocket science, is it?!

363854 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 5, #609 of 2062 🔗

Interestingly this morning on the radio the Tesco advert only mentioned ‘exempt’ and no longer ‘medically exempt’

Thanks to all challenging the supermarkets since their ridiculous state propaganda exercise last week

363893 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 6, #610 of 2062 🔗

I wonder if the Chief Exec is a bit fed up answering all the emails. That’s what you get for being a government puppet.

364101 ▶▶ Suey, replying to kh1485, 2, #611 of 2062 🔗

Under the disability discrimation laws, isn’t it also true that premises have an obligation to protect their customers (ie including those with a disability which means they cannot wear a face covering) from other customers? So if some vile Karen starts shouting at you in Tesco* (I saw a video where some horrendous fat hag was going off on one at a maskless child), under the law, Tesco has to take steps to stop that?

Not just Tesco, obvs. Any store or premises.

363613 iansn, 12, #612 of 2062 🔗
363617 Stephen Priest, replying to Stephen Priest, 1, #613 of 2062 🔗

Twitter’s alternative Parler was growing fast. Then the liberals came for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_E2_JL2QXA&list=WL&index=61
TFIglobal

363652 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Stephen Priest, 5, #614 of 2062 🔗

Good – Parler was a honeypot that harvested everyones details and handed them over
Gab is the real deal – no phone number required

363748 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #615 of 2062 🔗

Gab is running pretty well now, they’ve added a lot of new servers so speed is up.

363750 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to smileymiley, 1, #616 of 2062 🔗

Think they have got over the hump as it were.
The attacks are relentless
The Getongab account on twitter is one of the funniest accounts on that moribund platform

363996 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #617 of 2062 🔗

there was a BBC Radio 4 Media show end of last week which covered the censorship issue and had a senior person from Parler on and she did sound exactly the same as the other monopoly spokespeople

363618 willhhand, replying to willhhand, 9, #618 of 2062 🔗

I think this whole shitshow is being driven in part by fear of bodily death. I am not religious but I have studied “the survival of consciousness” for over 20 years now. The evidence is amazing that we survive bodily death, or rather our consciousness does. Many scientists accept this but the mainstream and of course the MSM dismiss it. Take away the fear of death and this ends tomorrow. A good starter for interested people who wish to approach this subject from an evidence point of view is http://www.victorzammit.com . In the meantime just say NO, peaceful non-compliance will also stop this if enough of us do it!

363675 ▶▶ iane, replying to willhhand, 1, #619 of 2062 🔗

Wishful thinking I am afraid!

363720 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to willhhand, 5, #620 of 2062 🔗

I suppose there’s no point in trying to remind the Church of England that the reason Jesus died was to destroy the power of him who holds the power of death ie the Devil. It certainly looks as if the Devil is running the country at the moment.

Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.” (Hebrews 2: 14-15)

363751 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to willhhand, 9, #621 of 2062 🔗

Agree. Most healthy people, particularly the young, don’t think about death all the time . Yet every single day for the last 9 months that word and that possibility has been everywhere – on the news, websites, MSM, teachers, friends, family. It has been behind every topic of conversation, every exchange. Young people have been warned they may kill their families even if they don’t get ill themselves. What sort of guilt trip is that to lay on anyone?
Most of us learn about death gradually through the death of pets, maybe grandparents, older relatives, and sadly sometimes younger people, but like everything in life there is a process by which we learn to cope and get on with our lives. These constant fear inducing references to death are deeply disturbing.

363621 Major Panic, 17, #622 of 2062 🔗

One good thing that has come out of the IPSO action against Toby is the excellent responses from scientists in his defence. Just reading todays additions would educate your average Joe to a level well beyond the apparent scientific understanding shown by the Governments scientific advisors.

A short, to the point, lecture by these wonderful people would do wonders for this country if shown on a Saturday night instead of the usual brain dead drivel the population suffer while munching on their nutritionally void and toxic takeaways.

363626 Hawkins_94, replying to Hawkins_94, 53, #623 of 2062 🔗

Well that didn’t take long did it? Refusing to take the ‘voluntary’ vaccination might see you lose your job.

For me, this is the crux of our future. Once everyone (who wants to be) has been vaccinated, the government must come up with an escape plan. No doubt this will include mandatory mask wearing for the foreseeable etc etc but schools will return, people will need to go back to work and shops will reopen. A normality of sorts (hopefully).

A major, major concern for me is the vaccine passport. I have no interest in the vaccine. I’m in my 20s and I was fit and healthy before lockdown started. Nowadays, I work from home all day and rarely venture outside, I feel the cold a lot more and I’ve been banned from playing football twice a week. Go figure.

Anyway, I’ve reviewed the risks and I am willing to suffer the possibility of long covid. Roughly speaking, that’s a nasty flu for me and feeling weak and tired for some months after it. And let’s be honest, that’s unlikely to happen. My wife has worked in Covid wards since March and neither of us have had any symptons, so I think I probably have some form of underlying immunity. I know the risks and I’m willing to take them.

“But what about other people I’d be endangering?” Well you see, isn’t that the whole point of the vaccine; to allow others to protect themselves. That nasty trick may have worked with masks, but it doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny in the face of vaccines.

Frankly, I and my wife should have a right to tread cautiously with an experimental vaccine where the trial period includes millions of people. Why do we pretend to have a full understanding of the human body and how it functions…and how meddling with one aspect will not result in something going wrong with another. Humans are famous for underappreciating the world we live in. Perhaps the analogy is a weak one, but look at how many times we’ve introduced a foreign animal species into a uniquely balanced ecosystem. Possums toNew Zealand. Rabbits to Australia. We think we know what the impact will be, but we just don’t. We really, really don’t.

I got married in 2020 and want to have a family. Why can’t I look at official government advice that says women shouldn’t take a vaccine if they’re pregnant or planning to be in 3 months time and think, you know what, why not be on the safe side and treat 3 months as the next 2 years? Why not have my family first and then see how I feel about the whole thing once it’s been bedded in?

Why can’t I question the integrity of Big Pharma? Or indeed our banana republic where the public purse is funnelled towards friends and donors of the Conservative Party who pretend to invest in Track and Trace? Why can’t I read the trial data and decide for myself it’s not all it’s cracked up to be anyway? Because the government says so.

If vaccine passports are forced upon us, we’ll never be back to normal and George Orwell will have been proved right. If one must take a vaccine for the “greater good” then one must also have their free speech restricted to not cause offence, must not have more than one child to save the world from climate change, and must not attend church for the state is the one true God. This is it folks, the writing is on the wall.

363647 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hawkins_94, 17, #624 of 2062 🔗

The care industry would collapse if they implement this no jab no job rule – they already struggle to recruit staff

363650 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Hawkins_94, 17, #625 of 2062 🔗

Don’t outright refuse the vaccine
just tell GP/Employer you are happy to take it as long as they sign one of these liability letters (hint – they won’t)

https://freedomtaker.com/

363757 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #626 of 2062 🔗

Good point, yes I saw a vid some time ago where people where discussing Nuremberg rights; they said you are perfectly within your rights to decline any kind of forced medical intervention, & that you ought to say you decline rather than outright refuse.

363969 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Crystal Decanter, #627 of 2062 🔗

Just tell them “you know where I live”. Usually works.

363731 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Hawkins_94, 7, #628 of 2062 🔗

You have a way with words sir. Could not have put it any better myself.

363631 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 47, #629 of 2062 🔗

Went ot Dulwich park yesterday and happy to report it was heaving with people. Lots of families, couples, elderly ..all walks of live. The mask wearing was very low and the playgrounds were full of children. I took a picture and send it to my BIL who is a hardcore Covid fanatic and he lost his shit..I know he would and know I juts do it to troll him. My wife says that she does not recognize her calm, collected, logical, high flying corporate man that used to be her brother as he is now a hysterical, paranoid scared of of his wits fanatic. He refuse to come to my house ( even before the latest Mockdown) because I said no mask inside my house and if he wears gloves I will throw him out.

363668 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Thomas_E, 30, #630 of 2062 🔗

There is no returning to normal for people like this. They face a lifetime of abject misery trapped in their fear. How long are we as a society going to pander to these weak, profoundly sick idiots?

Lock up the zealots. Give them a vaccine three times a day. Then let everyone else get on with their lives.

363911 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Thomas_E, 12, #631 of 2062 🔗

There’s no hope for people like your BIL. I can imagine him being muzzled up and constantly looking over his shadow for the rest of his life.

What you saw in Dulwich park is similar to what I’ve witnessed along the Southbank.

364067 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #632 of 2062 🔗

Good for you! We should not put up with this nonsense. It’s the only way to force people to snap out of it.

363633 Stephen Priest, 5, #633 of 2062 🔗

UK Freedom Certificates / More Swedish Nurses Refusing the Shot / NY Ban on Body Armour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZJCAAW2tik

UK Gov has “no plans” to introduce freedom certificates. How about a yellow star?
Sanity 4 Sweden

363634 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #634 of 2062 🔗

Winston Churchill’s Gestapo speech
Socialism is, in its essence, an attack not only upon British enterprise, but upon the right of the ordinary man or woman to breathe freely without having a harsh, clumsy, tyrannical hand clapped across their mouths and nostrils. – Winston CHURCHILL, The First Conservative Election Broadcast, 4 June 1945

363643 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #635 of 2062 🔗

Great quote. There’s always a great Churchill quote – provided you’re on the side of liberty and light.

363660 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #636 of 2062 🔗

And this was the person who supported Mussolini.

363783 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #637 of 2062 🔗

He supported lots of things I find abhorrent, but he’s right about socialism.

363661 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #638 of 2062 🔗
  1. He lost the election;
  2. I wonder what he might make of Tory government policy now? Britain was a CCTV horror under Tory and Labour governments even before Covid.
363781 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Waldorf, 4, #639 of 2062 🔗

Yeah and we’ve suffered from socialist policy ever since.

You know why the NHS was created right? They were worried about the health & fitness of fighting age men to fight another war.

Don’t mistake me for a tory voter, i’ve never voted conservative in my life!

363974 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Anti_socialist, #640 of 2062 🔗

Neither have I but I start off from the assumption that Conservatives serve the rich.
British males of an age to be called up were often suffering from diseases of poverty, and the Depression did not help. The American reporter William Shirer was struck by how unhealthy British POWs captured in France in 1940 looked compared to the German soldiers, and the British were those who had passed an Army medical, otherwise they would not have been inducted. Even more unhealthy people never got into the armed forces in the first place.
I don’t think leading Tory politicians had anyone in their immediate circle suffering from rickets and other diseases of poverty.

363870 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, #641 of 2062 🔗

Churchill, as an egotistical pompous old bore, did indeed talk utter bollocks at times.

363925 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #642 of 2062 🔗

Churchill was a drunk
Hitler was cranked on speed
What could possibly go wrong?

364036 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #643 of 2062 🔗

Posh arrogant lady to Churchill
“Mr Churchill , you are drunk”
“Madam , and you are ugly , but I shall be sober in the morning”
He didn’t take prisoners as they say.

363635 Bellero, replying to Bellero, 13, #644 of 2062 🔗

Who else think that Devi Sridhar (twitter: devisridhar ) is a dangerous psychopath? She is a nutritionist and she has seen as the beacon for the lockdown zealots. Her views are simplistic, almost equal to a woke tabloid journalist. I am so amazed how people are so gullible

363806 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bellero, 6, #645 of 2062 🔗

She’s been one of the worst, yes, though she’s got strong competition

But the first level of blame lies with the politicians who listen to her and people like her, and go along with what they say as gospel

364063 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Bellero, 8, #646 of 2062 🔗

Yes, she is one of the worst charlatans in this shitshow. Sadly, I live in Scotland and our Dear Leader seems to take advice from Sridhar, who has a very dangerous agenda, as far as I can tell (she was pushing ‘Zero Covid’ for a while last year, for example).

Sridhar has a very limited background in biology and is more of an anthropologist, I think. Most of my sociology-related colleagues are hardcore marxists completely lacking in any common sense, so I think that’s what’s happening here. It’s all ideology. From what she says in interviews and online, I suspect she is even less intelligent than most of my colleagues. I’ve read that she has friends in high places.

A friend at Edinburgh (who loathes her) says that she lives in a nice big house and has a nanny to look after her children, so she’s free to spend lots of time online sanctimoniously telling people how they should stay at home and save lives, etc. She simply cannot identify with the majority of people, who are really struggling with the lockdowns and related restrictions.

Compare Sridhar to Sunetra Gupta, a genuine scientist who knows her subject matter and really seems to care about the damage that has been done to so many people, not only here but around the world (especially the developing world). It’s like the difference between night and day.

363644 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 19, #647 of 2062 🔗

Good morning fellow sceptics! I’m new on here. Mind if I join you?!!

363787 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to The Covid Kid, 4, #648 of 2062 🔗

Greetings, Most welcome.

364311 ▶▶▶ The Covid Kid, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #649 of 2062 🔗

Thank you 🙂

363921 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Covid Kid, 3, #650 of 2062 🔗

Welcome!!!!

364314 ▶▶▶ The Covid Kid, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #651 of 2062 🔗

Thank you 🙂

363923 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to The Covid Kid, 2, #652 of 2062 🔗

Gab groups

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054

Lockdown sceptics https://gab.com/groups/7848

363645 Kevin_Sceptic, 8, #653 of 2062 🔗

Having just watched “The Big Questions” from yesterday, I was gratified to see a properly led, reasonable debate amongst a real cross section of participants. I wonder why there have not been more like it?

I am shocked by, as John Lee pointed out, the amount of polarisation that exists, illustrated perfectly by the number of people insisting that lockdown is the only option, versus those that say it does only harm.

It was evident, though, that those backing lockdowns had no solid argument.

363648 mj, 10, #654 of 2062 🔗

shopping update.. first big central shop since latest lockdown. needed to return some shoes. Shoe Zone closed .. most shops closed. Amazing that getting shoes from shoe zone will strike me down with the Rona but going in the Bank next door wont.
Went to Aldi. This was much as usual. Having read the tales of Tesco and Sainsburys going over the top, all that happened in Aldi was one of the lads asking about my mask. This was the first time ever in Aldi (or indeed in any of the shops) I said I was exempt (not wearing a lanyard of course) and no problem .. He said that they had been told to ask
Few people about wearing lanyards.
In the local mart yesterday probably saw as many people unmasked as masked.

363677 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to wendyk, 7, #656 of 2062 🔗

I am getting an impression that the Moderna one is even worse than the Pfizer one.

363706 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #657 of 2062 🔗

The Pfizer one is not tracking too well itself, according to the reports submitted to VAERS. I am not sure how many of each vaccine have been give though.

363671 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #658 of 2062 🔗

That was a really powerful quotation from Martin Luther King Jr. It really bowled me over. Thank you Toby et al.

363839 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #659 of 2062 🔗

Caesar . Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
Of all the wonders that I yet have heard.
It seems to me most strange that men should fear;
Seeing that death, a necessary end,
Will come when it will come.

363676 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #660 of 2062 🔗

I managed to read the Snowdon article from the other day and actually found that he made a lot of valid points. When I see people saying things like “90% of tests are false positives” or “hospitals are empty” I cringe. There are people on the extremes on both sides of the arguments. These same people would likely be saying “this virus will kill everyone” if they were batting for the other side.

The problem with the article is that he’s created a caricature taking all the worst parts of one side of the argument and made it seem as if that’s what all sceptics think.

I post on here quite regularly which, I guess, makes me a sceptic but I don’t believe I’ve ever said or made any of the extreme claims he’s included in his piece.

Whilst I don’t agree with his methodology, I do agree with his basic argument regarding this lockdown. Where I stand right now probably won’t sit well with the purists. I think the current lockdown is probably necessary. Not because I think it’s a particularly good idea but because the people making the decisions over the past year left themselves with no other option.

I believe that all the actions taken last year have created a worse problem now than it might have been. We can’t go around pretending that there isn’t a problem so the only real option is to have this lockdown.

Don’t get me wrong, I think that lockdowns are stupid. When Boris announced the first one my instant reaction was “WTF are you doing?”, it was the most idiotic thing I’d ever heard. I also think it’s wrong to argue about whether or not they work. I prefer to frame it around what effect they have. Restrictions/lockdowns do slow the spread of the virus but only whilst the restrictions are in place. I also believe that beyond a certain level of restrictions the law of diminishing returns kicks in. So up to a point, restrictions have a positive effect. However, they also have a negative effect while they’re in place and the effects linger on long after they’re lifted. The longer the lockdown the greater the residual negative impact.

Lockdowns therefore have a net negative effect in my book. I’m not going to quantify it here but you can easily list all the negative effects and see they far outnumber the positives. Some might argue that deaths trump all the other negative effects but I would argue the current strategy doesn’t protect anybody and is based on little more than hope, hope that vulnerable people don’t catch it and that’s not working out particularly well.

As Forest Gump once said “stupid is as stupid does” and it doesn’t get more stupid than doing something dumb that ends up forcing you to do it again. Zero Covid at this point also goes in the nice in theory but also stupid bin.

363705 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #661 of 2062 🔗

Erecting straw men is implicit in propaganda. Of course it is not proper analysis.

363708 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #662 of 2062 🔗

great post – my thoughts are that are health service, for a number of reasons, simply cannot deal with the annual demand brought about by predictable winter respiratory diseases – covid, influenza, etc

The other major problem is people dying, because they have reached end of life, being labelled as covid deaths. (might find certain Scandinavian countries with low death counts have not made this mistake). Our population seem to accept that we do not live for ever but do not accept that this reality involves deayh

363739 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #663 of 2062 🔗

CCP Virus spreads in 2 main ways person to person and lingering in indoor arenas. The more I learn the more I believe the second way is if not the major form of transmission, it is close. If that is the case then the shutdown and particular stay at home message is totally the wrong one. Getting outdoors as much as you can and ventilating indoor settings, should be the key messages. I think the government got lucky with the weather last spring and that authoritarian b****** Patel trying to stop millions of Brits doing what they did in the first shutdown, which was drive somewhere nice and make a day of it, is borderline evil.

363741 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #664 of 2062 🔗

There is no exit strategy from any of the non-pharmaceutical interventions that have been employed over the last 10 months. They are permanent. Once the precedent has been set, the only question left is how extreme should the enforcement be.

The problem is that a complex human society cannot exist under such restrictions. Thus, having a society at all has been discarded.

Whether this is by accident or design is really neither here nor there. We are where we are, and there is no escape other than by widespread popular rebellion.

364043 ▶▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Richard O, #665 of 2062 🔗

I guess a nice dose of Deflationary Spiral as we now seem to have entered might shock the population enough to wake up.

363744 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #666 of 2062 🔗

1 day×LD = 1 week Recession

And still the fanatics cry for more!

363683 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 24, #667 of 2062 🔗

One of the most alarming effects of this virus on the human race, is that it appears to have lobotomised about 80% of the population. They are no longer capable of independent thought and need to be told what to say and do.

Whether this is a long-term symptom of the virus, and if there is an effective treatment remains to be seen.

363687 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #668 of 2062 🔗

Switching off the TV signal (like in the movie, “They Live”).

363697 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Richy_m_99, 10, #669 of 2062 🔗

It is nothing new, it just didn’t matter so much before.

363759 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Richy_m_99, 11, #670 of 2062 🔗

Death (and not from the virus) on an unimaginable scale is looking like the only thing that will bring this to an end.

The NHS are going to find out in the coming months that totally destroying society also causes sickness and death. They are going to be overwhelmed from now until kingdom come.

363792 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richard O, 3, #671 of 2062 🔗

They will count all collateral damage from the Rona as “Covid related”

363803 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #672 of 2062 🔗

At this point I don’t care if every single death is registered as Covid. No amount of lunacy is going to break the brainwashing. Let the whole fucking society burn to the ground.

363850 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richard O, 3, #673 of 2062 🔗

agreed- collapse is the only way out now
NHS cult first

363860 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #674 of 2062 🔗

Yeah, lets riot & burn down our town!!!

363767 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #675 of 2062 🔗

Hear hear. I have actually had part of my brain removed but I am the one who can see through all this bullshit. My full brain “friends”/family are all dandelions.

364006 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #676 of 2062 🔗

Mr Bart and I have have come to the same conclusion – the lockdown has infantilised people and allowed them to regress.

If we carry on at this rate, the humanity will regress back to the austrolapithecus africanus.

363691 Londo Mollari, 12, #677 of 2062 🔗

A local Halfords store in South Wales is to close its doors permanently in March with everyone to be made redundant. It’s an out of town store too.

363696 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 25, #678 of 2062 🔗

I think sceptics should be turning down all media requests at the moment. They are being invited to discuss things in bad faith. The architects of lockdown need to start owning their own policy and being held to account rather then being let off the hook in this underhand way.

363715 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #679 of 2062 🔗

Yep, swimming against the rip is dangerous – what we need to insure is that lockdown never becomes the go to solution for nasty coughs in the future

363765 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Major Panic, 5, #680 of 2062 🔗

Indeed, I heard some one say the other day covid beat science this time round, stupidity 1 – science nil.

We’ve lost the lockdown battle this time, regroup work out a winning strategy, come back & prevent it happening again. No point keeping fighting a lost battle

363785 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #681 of 2062 🔗

The work from home class need to suffer the same way as the working class
Decimate there swanky eateries and coffee houses
Confine them at home by ramping up the fear

363729 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #682 of 2062 🔗

I understand your point, Tom, however, does this not been that sceptics are effectively silenced? Who is going to even attempt to hold those architect to account if their voices are the only ones reaching the masses? If they decline these opportunities it will surely be reported as sceptics conceding the battle and slinking away with tails between legs, don’t you think?

363762 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #683 of 2062 🔗

You are probably right but I am currently seeing no benefit to these interactions with MSM. None at all. Nobody is being held to account and all it serves is to chalk up a “win” for the zealots and continue as if they have achieved justification. To use an analogy, we are playing a rigged game of football with a bent ref. It’s time for us to take our ball home. If they want to speak to us – as a minimum – they have to change the Ofcom rules.

363862 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tom Blackburn, #684 of 2062 🔗

I understand completely. However, we only hear the screams of outrage from the hard of thinking – we do not hear from those who have been persuaded, or given heart, by hearing a sceptic view that may chime with thoughts that people have been to afraid to vocalise – or even think – for themselves. There may not be many converts, but there will be a few and this is undoubtedly a long game.

363745 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #685 of 2062 🔗

An alternative which would really throw people off: answer every single question with a relevant fact or statistic, regardless of what the original question is.
Q “What do you think about [x] pub wanting to stay open? is this guy killing everybody?”
A “The test has an undeclared false +rate, according to Dr Yeadon & Prof Heneghan this could equate to [x%] likely false positives; the Gov literature found at [website..] has declared a PCR test by itself, is not an adequate test of infection…. & so on.

363814 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #686 of 2062 🔗

This is it. We can’t debate at all really while the PCR noise, false positives and cold positives, remain unchallenged and fog the data

363772 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #687 of 2062 🔗

yes stop giving the other side the credit of assuming that they are not insane, that they have a rational point of view that deserves to be listened to and discussed, just blank them – you wouldn’t have gone on a panel show to debate with Hitler or Goebbels, would you

363800 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #688 of 2062 🔗

I humbly disagree

The message has to get out there

363813 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #689 of 2062 🔗

Vernon Coleman, well versed in being hung out to dry by the media, has said this from the start. Only long format interviews work…panel shows are designed to set up a villan

363882 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #690 of 2062 🔗

I do agree that these discussions are conducted in bad faith. Too many assumptions are made or implied which are completely false but there is little opportunity to question those assumptions. When Solzhenitsyn first came to the West he was interviewed by the BBC and made a statement like (I cannot find my copy of ‘One Word of Truth’) ‘When you were released from prison Alexandr Isa’ ech…’, Solzhenitsyn challenged the implied assumption that the Soviet leaders had a choice, which in fact they did not.
In the same way, there is talk of ‘essential’ and ‘inessential’ businesses, and, as a corollary to that ‘key workers’, somehow smuggling in the warm fuzzy idea of someone performing an ‘essential’ task. This assertion is completely false and needs to be challenged; ALL services are essential, if someone can supply a service and finds a customer, that service is essential and no politician or bureaucrat can say otherwise. The concepts ‘essential services’ and ‘key workers’ are very poisonous ideas and much more needs to exposed about these things. The wonderful variety of human desires and needs ought to be a source of rejoicing; recently I acquired two books for the Syriac Old Testament; essential for me but not everyone’s cup of tea.
The unfortunate thing is that the discussion then proceeds along the lines of ‘what about delivery drivers? how about shoe shops when your shoes have worn out? These questions have implicitly surrendered to the desired narrative and the assertions themselves need to be challenged. Our various church leaders fell into this trap with their letter to Johnson last September; the letter could be paraphrased:
Dear Mr. Johnson,
Church worship is essential to our way of life and we implore you not to close our churches again.
Love and kisses, Cantab and Ebor.
They implicitly agreed that the State had the right to close the churches which is manifestly NOT the case. The Scottish ministers made a similar mistake recently but I rejoiced to read also that they reminded Sturgeon that several churches had a theology which denied that sort of authority for the State. Hooray!
So our strategy, I think, needs to focus on questioning the assumptions that lie behind people’s statements and beliefs. Sometimes, perhaps often, people will not realise that these ARE assumptions, sometimes, probably often, these assumptions will be innocent mistakes; we do need to be charitable, something I have not always been in the past.

363726 richmond, replying to richmond, 11, #691 of 2062 🔗

“REAL LIFE IS NOT SAFE”

363753 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to richmond, 4, #692 of 2062 🔗

Where would be the fun in it, if it were?

363730 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 11, #693 of 2062 🔗

Morning all, does anybody know what todays rules are?

(Or should I say, does anybody care what the rules are today).

363737 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #694 of 2062 🔗

I don’t watch the news so I don’t know what you are talking about

363743 ▶▶ willhhand, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #695 of 2062 🔗

Rules? Fuck that!

363755 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #696 of 2062 🔗

The rule is : Live your live how you wanted, everything else is just background noise.

363858 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #697 of 2062 🔗

The rules are
1) enjoy yourself on LDS and Gab as much as possible
2) Troll the collaborators relentlessly
This is all

363742 PaulC, 18, #698 of 2062 🔗

Love the Spike Milligan – had my birthday last week and got a card:

PRETTY WILD HOW WE USE TO EAT CAKE AFTER SOMEONE HAD BLOWN ON IT ……… GOOD TIMES!

363747 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 5, #699 of 2062 🔗

The Great Shafting continues:

Banks to charge 35% on emergency loans: Crippling rates loom for firms as experts warn new crisis in spring will be worse than 2008

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-9154527/Banks-charge-35-emergency-loans-Crippling-rates-loom.html

Noted by Dolan on Gab:
https://gab.com/Simondolan/posts/105576091814720275

363769 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to zacaway, 8, #700 of 2062 🔗

Good. Let the real suffering begin.

363778 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to zacaway, 8, #701 of 2062 🔗

The collaborators need to suffer for what they have enabled
no sympathy
let them rot in the streets

363808 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to zacaway, 6, #702 of 2062 🔗

This is their way of snapping up assets now.

363831 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to zacaway, 2, #703 of 2062 🔗

I think the intervention needs to be harder, 70% interest to flatten the curve.

363834 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to zacaway, 3, #704 of 2062 🔗

While it sounds bad it’s less than 0.2% of the loans. The question is that is this the start of the ramp up?

363920 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to zacaway, 4, #705 of 2062 🔗

Is this where the government says we will take on your loan and give you a sustenance payment, it will mean ‘you will own nothing, but you will be happy’

363752 mhcp, 17, #706 of 2062 🔗

Saw this on gab.

363758 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 9, #707 of 2062 🔗

Education then and now.

Then:

A is for apple
B is for boat
C is for cat
D is for dog

etc.

Now:

A is for anxiety
B is for breakdown
C is for – you know what C is for
D is for distancing
E is for exile
F is for face mask
G is for germaphobe
H is for hysteria
I is for ignorance
J is for Johnson’s
K is for killer
L is for lockdowns

etc.

363763 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #709 of 2062 🔗

… Apparently schools were closed on short notice (14 hours in our case) in January as the Government tried to save face after the ‘testing in schools’ debacle. A huge number of parents refused to allow their children to be tested at school and many teachers refused to be involved in the testing. (Sorry no formal link)

… STOP demonising our children!!!

363801 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Victoria, 3, #710 of 2062 🔗

Must be running out of elderly easy targets

363963 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Victoria, #711 of 2062 🔗

There is probably more truth in that statement than any reason that SAGE will ever provide.

363764 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 17, #712 of 2062 🔗

The response to Lord Sumption is entirely expected in our society. We have created a generation of feelings over facts.

Take the issue of refugees this is a multi-faceted issue – who do we prioritise (men/ woman/ children), What countries (should we not prioritise those at greatest risk of persecution – how do we judge this?), Volume of refugees (should we base this on infrastrucutre and support available?), could we get more value for money by sending aid in to the nearest safe country?

But no these issues are rarely discussed we take any refugee that lands on our shore even though with some rationality we could arguably help a greater number and those at greater risk with a strategic fact based response.

Take the issue of hate crime. How do we assess what speech is hateful? Who is the arbiters of said hateful speech? Can society not police speech by it’s own accord? Do we need to protect the terminally offended?

No we must protect all characteristics. We can’t have any hurt feelings.

This is a route problem in our society due to a population incapable of rational (often difficult) and sometimes offensive discussion.

363791 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #713 of 2062 🔗

The poor are less important than the appearance of virtue.

363770 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #714 of 2062 🔗

I don’t know if this is the outcome of last year’s review into “covid deaths” or not:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/916035/RA_Technical_Summary_-_PHE_Data_Series_COVID_19_Deaths_20200812.pdf

Some good quotes:

The PHE data series is not designed to provide definitive information on the causal role of COVID-19 in relation to individual deaths. The weekly publication of deaths statistical bulletin from the Office of National Statistics includes all deaths where COVID-19 is recorded on the death certificate, regardless of whether a laboratory result is available or not.

So it’s not PHE but ONS who make up the numbers and are responsible for the fakery?

any other approach risked producing an underestimate of COVID-19 deaths.

So a deliberate policy of overestimation then?

PHE has since undertaken an assessment of different time limits following the positive test result on the mortality series which has undergone external statistical peer review

Who by? Ferguson? Imperial?

The daily number represents new deaths reported to PHE in the 24 hours up to 5pm the previous day. Report date does not necessarily equate to date of death as it may take up to a week for deaths to be reported to PHE

Well we know this so why do they keep pumping out this number in the MSM?

Furthermore, the PHE data series does not report cause of death, and as such represents deaths in people with COVID-19 and not necessarily caused by COVID-19.

Again we know this but why are they keeping quiet about it?

363782 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #715 of 2062 🔗

In the hope of disguising the lockdown deaths. The early changes to make C-19 death certificates easier indicates lockdown death numbers were assessed early on and considered acceptable collateral damage to preserve their power.

363812 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Awkward Git, #716 of 2062 🔗

Local Live sometimes uses the set phrase
‘Deaths where Covid19 is mentioned on the death certificate’.

363857 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, #717 of 2062 🔗

So it’s not PHE but ONS who make up the numbers and are responsible for the fakery?”

No. The ONS has simply taken the figures and published them. They are not responsible for the shit-show, and have actually published the real kicker : all-cause mortality.

363774 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 12, #718 of 2062 🔗

Germany to bring back concentration camps:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9157971/Covid-Germany-hold-people-refuse-quarantine-detention-centres.html

Let’s just call them what they are – that might deter them from continuing with this policy.

363798 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to this is my username, 8, #719 of 2062 🔗

Already doing it in NZ, my cousin said, someone ‘escaped’ and they were captured and brought back by the guards, to the relief of the nation, her actual words.

363807 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to this is my username, 2, #720 of 2062 🔗

‘that might deter them from continuing with this policy’ I doubt it I rather expect that
Uberfuhrer Johnson and Gruppenfuhrer Hancock are watching with great interest as along with their mentor on the attached image they think this would be a great idea! Why not put in the vaccine refuseniks as well?

363828 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #721 of 2062 🔗

I just wrote a blog post this morning listing many of Goebbels quotes and asking if we are at the stage Germany was in the 1930’s. I think we are.

363810 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to this is my username, 2, #722 of 2062 🔗

what’s the bets Fuellmich et al end up in there ‘for the greater good’

363946 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to this is my username, 1, #723 of 2062 🔗

That does not horrify me as much as the prospect of being quarantined and charged a lot of money for the privilege of being quarantined.

363775 RickH, replying to RickH, 41, #724 of 2062 🔗

I posted about “T he Big Questions” yesterday as I was watching it – the reason being is that, in the great scheme of things, it was remarkably balanced – particularly for a program out of the MSM stable. (I think we sceptics are the minority who actually still appreciate terms like ‘sanity’ and ‘balance’ and ‘reality’).
As one of the lauded ‘vulnerable’, the reaction to Sumption’s remarks about QALYs illustrated well the way in which rationality has been overturned by self-regarding virtue signalling, flagged as ‘sympathy’ – a fake emotion that is ultimately and profoundly anti-people.

I found the wallowing of the pro-lockdown brigade truly sickening in its corrupted self-regard masquerading as concern.

I have a limited life-span. I don’t know how long after the extensions courtesy of the too-much maligned NHS (the reason I am short-tempered with simplistic political band-wagon riders on the subject). But I don’t look forward to a infinite extension of life – the end is approaching, whether I like it or not, no matter how hard I choose to object or whine.

… and it is assumed that I want everyone’s life to be incredibly stunted and impoverished indefinitely – on the basis of the fictitious notion that it will be to my benefit????!!!!

The reality is that I have now lost almost 1 of the few remaining QALYs left to me – entirely as a result of this pseudo-concern. I want to puke at the synthetic sentimentality. And no, I am not going to make allowances for the ignorant stupidity that drive it. It’s as dangerous as the blind ‘love of nation’ that sustained Hitler.

Fortunately, as a family, we are sceptical by nature, and don’t easily bow down totalitarian diktats imposed by a bunch of tossers. We had a fairly normal Christmas. But still, the imposed practicalities meant that one of the four children’s families couldn’t risk travel with a 4-month baby, and I haven’t seen my other grandchildren for a month now. On top of that are all the obvious effects that we all suffer from this shit-show.

So, no – just because you, like me, have had bowel cancer etc. etc., you aren’t so unique as to require the imprisonment of the whole nation. You have no right to support sustained child-abuse – whether through mask-wearing or deprivation of social contact. You have no right to ask me to perform pointless damaging rituals.

GET A FUCKING GRIP. It’s what we all have to do (or at least seriously try).

363793 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to RickH, 11, #725 of 2062 🔗

I believe its a small group of paid bots who do the trolling, same overall abuse to every subject.

363809 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to DanClarke, 5, #726 of 2062 🔗

Yes, this is a new phenomena that needs to be made illegal. It artificially and disproportionately affects public opinion.

363794 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 12, #728 of 2062 🔗

Very well said RickH and I am sure many many people of the older generation/vulnerable to covid actually feel exactly the same – the very people that the superficially virtuous are so concerned about. I know my mother in law does.

364138 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #729 of 2062 🔗

Spot on.

Wish you’d been on the program to respond directly to the sentimentality-mongers.

363951 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 1, #731 of 2062 🔗

The Kraut has plenty of practice at this sort of thing

363960 ▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to Victoria, 3, #732 of 2062 🔗

In Saxony? Are they re-opening Bergen-Belsen?

364065 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Victoria, 1, #733 of 2062 🔗

They’ll have to tunnel their way out to make their Great Escape – where’s Steve McQueen and his motorbike?!
Very shocking though.

363779 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 9, #734 of 2062 🔗

When it comes to Spike Milligan, this is one of my favourites

I must go down to the sea again,
to the lonely sea and the sky
I left my shoes and socks there
I wonder if they’re dry.

364616 ▶▶ Woden, replying to Biggles, #735 of 2062 🔗

The simple genius of the Milligan

363780 JJ, replying to JJ, 26, #736 of 2062 🔗

The very childlike response to Lord Sumption’s completely honest statement demonstrates the level of ignorance and stupidity in British society. I am 38, fit and well, and I would gladly confirm that my life has a lesser value than than a healthy 6 year old. As for the Muslim teacher who said he felt differently in his home, fine you can bury your kids rather than your parents but I think 99% of rational folk would rather do it the other way round!

364129 ▶▶ Mark, replying to JJ, 4, #737 of 2062 🔗

fine you can bury your kids rather than your parents but I think 99% of rational folk would rather do it the other way round!

One of my core precepts is that the ideal situation is that parents predecease their (ideally adult) offspring. Beyond that, a large part of living a wise life is coming to terms with the inevitability of death and understanding the corollary, that (largely subjective) quality of life is more important than quantity.

363788 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 21, #738 of 2062 🔗

Government “data” must show that traffic is nearly normal in many areas suggesting that people are thinking with their feet/ cars despite what any latest yougov rigged poll might be saying, Schools are half full in some areas too. The fear factor is simply not around today (as it was back in March/April 20 for many) and lockdown is becoming a hard sell i think. Govt tactics now seem to be to push this vaccine and this is apparent by looking at all major newspaper headlines.

When it is clear that there is a very sizeable percentage of the population that do not want/require this vaccination – the government will get evermore desperate in its messaging.

363995 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 1, #739 of 2062 🔗

Exactly
To quote Bruce Jenner “buckle up buckaroos”

364057 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to nickbowes, #740 of 2062 🔗

i think we’ll be so fed up with hearing about the darn vaccine that will just blimin take it to shut them up! lol 🙂 I am going to hang out for as long as possible on the vaccine, mimimum a year or hopefully two to see the medium term reaction. To be honest the number of issues coming up and deaths i’m not confident, and when the second dose comes along i imagine the reactions will ramp up. I’m hoping a good percentage will not take it and in numbers will avoid discrimination to access society.
The only reason i may be forced to take it would be to travel. However if they bring in this quarantine in a hotel on return to country (which i see being a huge logistical nightmare) then I, and probably many millions will not travel, or be able to travel – so will take the pressure off having the vaxx in the first place.

363796 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 38, #741 of 2062 🔗

I see the erudite Lord Sumption has now been made the latest target for the ire of lockdown fanatics everywhere. These pearl clutching morons only have one weapon in their arsenal and that is appeals to emotion – hence the labelling of anybody remotely against the mandatory house arrest of some 67 million people as “granny killers” or “murderers.”

Let’s remind ourselves that these are the same people who believe that the destruction of the economy, the cancelled education of our children, the avalanche of mental health issues and resultant suicides, the addiction, the domestic abuse, the missed cancer screenings, the isolation of the most vulnerable in society and the indefinite suspension of our civil liberties is a price worth paying to eke out a few more months of their 95 year old gran’s life of suffering.

No species has ever succeeded by prioritising the old, frail and gravely ill over the needs and wants of the young, healthy and productive. These shrieking idiots suggesting otherwise need to take a long walk into the sea.

363805 ▶▶ John P, replying to Scotty87, 12, #742 of 2062 🔗

I agree Scotty, but these days you have to be a politician or at the very least be politically savvy when appearing on such discussion programmes as this one in public.

It was a “schoolboy error” of Sumption’s to allow himself to be drawn into this.

363819 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John P, 8, #743 of 2062 🔗

Pointing out that QALYs lies at the heart of health policy and practice is a schoolboy error. This is a weird judgement. Everyone, who knows anything about policy making knows this fact.

363897 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, #744 of 2062 🔗

That is not my point here.

363823 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to John P, 7, #745 of 2062 🔗

I think it’s a disgrace that our MSM and public have just lambasted a supreme court judge. This shouldn’t look bad on Lord Sumption I admire him for going on there and saying what needed to be said.

363898 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to JHUNTZ, #746 of 2062 🔗

I would agree with the thrust of what he said, but the way he said it was politically naive and insensitive.

364964 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to John P, #747 of 2062 🔗

“Politically naive” – yes. Lord Sumption isn’t a scheming, corrupt politician. “Insensitive” – no, it needed to be said.

Perhaps on the first reason it could have been better worded, but not insensitive. There isn’t an unlimited “pot”, even in the NHS.

364028 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #748 of 2062 🔗

Our MSM are a complete and utter disgrace. Stoking in the fires of hysteria. They along with the government are culpable.

363826 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 10, #749 of 2062 🔗

You are right only up to a point. I concede that Sumption (unusually) didn’t frame his response to the fake concern brigade (‘Look at the size of my sympathy’) too well. But the ultimate end of that road is, effectively, self-censorship and the exclusion of one key argument from consideration.

363902 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, 1, #750 of 2062 🔗

No, he could have put it another way.

I have tried to defend him on the DM threads, but the remarks he made were insensitive, particularly as they were made to a woman seriously ill with cancer.

364123 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 4, #751 of 2062 🔗

Reality is “insensitive” and the idea that sensitivity should be a concern in adult debate about important issues is silly, and a large part of the reason we are where we are.

363871 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to John P, 11, #752 of 2062 🔗

True! But he’s a great guy. The only senior legal bod to stand up to this outrageous deprivation of our liberty.

363909 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to OKUK, -2, #753 of 2062 🔗

Exactly, and this is why I was so disappointed to see him widely criticised.

While he may have been trying to make a valid point, in the context of the programme his choice of words was unfortunate and the remarks were quite insensitive.

363896 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Scotty87, 7, #754 of 2062 🔗

These are also the same people who “ follow the science ” that there are 76 genders and cutting off a 13 years old tits is a good idea if they feel a bit “wrong” during puberty

363932 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Scotty87, 6, #755 of 2062 🔗

And what exactly do the people picking fault with Lord Sumption think the purpose of DNR Notices is if not to discriminate against the elderly or infirm?

363940 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #756 of 2062 🔗

Everyone here wants Sumption to be heard and listened to.

But the way he chose to frame his comments in the context of this programme was a mistake.

They have led – as they clearly would – to him being castigated in the MSM.

You just can’t say what he said to a terminally ill woman in a public space.

363970 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 5, #757 of 2062 🔗

Well, I expect that’s why they put her on – to make him look bad. I still think it needed saying. As long as we go along with fake sympathy we’re doomed.

363997 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to John P, #758 of 2062 🔗

Fair enough, John. But my point is, whether one agrees with the way he said what he said or not, there is a large dose of hypocrisy or tunnel vision amongst those saying that lockdown sceptics are regarding old or vulnerable people as of less worthiness than younger, healthier people. The medical profession is already making a marvellous job of that without our help.

364967 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Dodderydude, #759 of 2062 🔗

Precisely.

364061 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Scotty87, 3, #760 of 2062 🔗

One thing (out of many) that annoys me about the lockdown zealots is the manner in which they say that sceptics have ‘blood on their hands’. It is THEY who have blood on their hands in the shape of numerous suicides; this is actual murder, driving people to death as a direct result of their policies. And when there is an attempted suicide this is attempted murder.
The hypocrisy is staggering. I know this goes back a couple of months but how could such people celebrate Remembrance Day?

364120 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Scotty87, 1, #761 of 2062 🔗

I haven’t seen more that the references to Sumpton’s remark but value is first and foremost what we each and together accept and extend as worthy. This is priceless, or in the realm of qualities that cannot altogether BE quantified . Give unto the Living what is due unto Life.

In a realm of limited and limiting circumstance that we take as our world, we cannot impose or make real a ‘will’ that orders change to comply or cease – and insofar as we persist the attempt, we become the means of our own limitation, depletion, and loss – as conflicted within Life – setting ourself in the wish of power over life; subjugated in, and driven by grievance.

King Canute endeavoured to show the limits to worldly power – and that it rests within the Power that holds all things true (as the condition of Life, that knows and shares awareness of being).
But the dissociated mind of the wish to worldly power, interprets from a fear defined powerlessness – for what ELSE would sacrifice truth and life for illusions that cannot have, hold or heal?

Within the order of the world is the realm of necessary requirements for an individual and relational order – which is not just quantitative but resting on qualitative discernment and discrimination. Give unto the life of the body of the world, as is its due.

In any situation of need that seems to outweigh resources, wisdom calls on the centred honesty or transparency of account, from which to discern the path for the Living. “Dont just DO something, stand there! – or abide into connected peace as the quality from which to attend the Living. Fear induced reaction may cast itself as ‘saving others’ but is inherently out of true with the need of the situation because fear withholds and withdraws in reaction to limit and control its own experience. Wisdom is acquired through living through such experience as the willingness to grown and learn in Life.

Materialism as generally named, runs the quantitative mind as IF an exclusive set of predicates and programmed reaction that re-iterate a past upon a true presence unrecognised. And while it can blindly ‘get it right’ sometimes, it can also charge off into a repeat of its underlying fears, while believing to escape or overcome them.

In a current systemised system of corporate machine ‘thinking’ everything – including our identifying beliefs and values, is quantified as a dataset to input as a parameter in a closed system of Economic Control to which Life is conformed and sacrificed so as to ‘save and protect’ the system. Such that mere symbols of the value of Life are incentivised as ‘moral memes’ by which to leverage a ‘computer model’ of the extension of the idea of standing outside Life as if to control ‘it’.

This post continues in its theme and reflection at:

https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-worth-and-value-of-living.html

363811 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 12, #762 of 2062 🔗

Another tale from the Covidarium: my sister and brother-in- law keep hens and a neighbour regular puts empty egg boxes through their cat flap as a prompt for more free eggs.(She gives them plants in return).

Yesterday, she texted my brother-in-law to ask whether she should stop with the empty boxes as there might be a Covid risk!!

Told my sister, who doesn’t suffer fools gladly, about the latest Sturgeonian instructions on key cutting; supposing one was mugged, didn’t have mobile to hand, did not possess mobile etc. Would the risk of infection override the need to gain access to one’s home/ car asap?

She thinks it’s getting sillier by the day.

363824 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to wendyk, 9, #763 of 2062 🔗

“Tales from the Covidarium” is a wonderful title for a satirical blog topic with a daily post for all this nonsense.
Trouble is, there is so much of it we’d never keep up. My favourite is still shutting pubs at 10 becuase that’s when the Rona comes out.

363844 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to thinkaboutit, 9, #764 of 2062 🔗

Or standing in a restaurant, must be masked, the minute you sit down, you’re safe.

363881 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to thinkaboutit, 11, #765 of 2062 🔗

My no 1 is the Clear Your Head psychobabble recommended by Scotgov-who else!- light a candle and think happy thoughts- to stave off the despair resulting from solitary confinement, redundancy, family breakdown and cancelled medical tests.

https://clearyourhead.scot/

And the instruction to collect one’s take away while shivering outside in the pouring rain.

And of course ,this morning’s encounter with the bread slicing ban at Morrison’s.

Every day, in every way, it gets crazier and crazier.

https://youtu.be/1x88EUR9VKc

363952 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to wendyk, 1, #766 of 2062 🔗

What is the “raisin d’etre” for the bread slicing? Think I must have missed that little ‘doozie’!

363987 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Alan P, #767 of 2062 🔗

No idea! It flummoxed me!

364072 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to wendyk, 1, #768 of 2062 🔗

Taking the piss, because they can, let them eat unsliced bread.

363835 ▶▶ PeteBell, replying to wendyk, 2, #769 of 2062 🔗

If the neighbour boils the eggs, that will kill the bug. Maybe your sis and bro-in-law, as responsible egg suppliers into the community, should tell their customers not to lick the egg-shells!

363815 PeteBell, #770 of 2062 🔗

Hi, not eye-wateringly important perhaps, but the article in today’s Sceptics about young people’s mental health by Dr Vanessa Moulton was in the Sunday Telegraph, not the Sunday Times.
Our local authority (Bournemouth, Christchurch, and Poole) has issued a flyer stating that, since New Year’s day, there’s been one CV19 admission to hospital (there are 2 major hospitals in the BCP area) every hour, and one CV19 death in the area every 6 hours. A crude number-crunch implies that at least 5 out of 6 (83%) of hospital CV19 admissions AREN’T dying. (The data aren’t directly comparable, because the deaths figure is clearly not limited to CV19 deaths in hospital).

363821 Binra, replying to Binra, 4, #771 of 2062 🔗

All this talk about cost of lockdown – what about the benefits to global stakeholders?
You don’t see us whinging and complaining. Lockdown? – Let it Rip!
This site is very one-sided and fails to take on that an unprecedented shift of wealth and power relieves the masses of their minds and possessions for the collective good.
Once you get woke to being our collective tooled goods lockdown shall be normal as the smart way to live your dreams.
(sarc)

363861 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Binra, 4, #772 of 2062 🔗

Exactly – if it saves just one multi billionaire $100 million it will have been worth it.

363825 Ewan Duffy, 7, #773 of 2062 🔗
363829 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #774 of 2062 🔗

So there we have it. The final death count for 2020 in the UK. All cause mortality.

Turns out that 2020 was the 6th highest in the last 20 years

We don’t have all the data in, but looking like every other country pretty much the same – regardless of total lockdowns or no measures at all.

https://gab.com/Simondolan/posts/105575628782940741

363845 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 7, #775 of 2062 🔗

Interesting. Back in June, I made it the eighth in 27 years – but same ball-park. And as I continually reiterate : far from ‘unprecedented’ – the lie that has sustained the government.

363936 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 6, #776 of 2062 🔗

The other thing worth saying is that this fundamental piece of information has recently been almost absent from debate : that 2020, in terms of mortality, was actually nothing exceptional in terms of mortality.

The notion of a terrible marauding virus has taken over without much current challenge, it seems.

As far as I recall, this basic numerical perspective wasn’t even mentioned in Sunday’s television debate, despite its centrality to any proportionate view.

363942 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to RickH, #777 of 2062 🔗

And the age profile. Bet the percentage of population over 60 was lower in 2000 than 2020.

That will have a big impact on death numbers too.

363852 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, 5, #778 of 2062 🔗

Perhaps we should all post this table to our MPs. The figures are quite astonishing – not for us as sceptics – but in relation to the levels of media hysteria, NHS special pleading and government propaganda.

364051 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to OKUK, #779 of 2062 🔗

And the effective closing of NHS to many, without lockdown deaths the total would be much lower.

363899 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Victoria, 5, #780 of 2062 🔗

Even more interesting when you wonder what the genuine population figures have been since 1999.

363846 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Victoria, 4, #782 of 2062 🔗

Just wish they’d sort the speed of Gab out, it’s so slow

363856 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ambwozere, 5, #783 of 2062 🔗

It is fast in the morning but slow when the Americans come on line

363866 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ambwozere, 2, #784 of 2062 🔗

I’ve had no problems today with Gab – seems to be back to nearly normal
Even managed to post a meme via my phone

363950 ▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to Victoria, 3, #785 of 2062 🔗

Twitter failed to protect its business, users and adhere to any sort of ethical code. It is now failing, abused and valueless.

If you do not have a set of well reasoned guiding priciples and the courage to back them up, you will be manipulated to serve the interests of another. So with Twitter, so with life. This is the reality of the world we live in, the proof is all around us, every second of every day.

363848 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 11, #786 of 2062 🔗

Looking at the ‘Florence Nightingale’ graph for 2020 total deaths we can see the epidemic peak in April & then a rise October/November above the last 5 years but a regular curve rather than a steep rise-hence pressure in Winter on hospitals. It takes an exercise in imagination to describe this as a ‘second wave’ so this narrative is wrong.There must be an explanation and prior immunity is a reasonable and plausible one. Although I’m not saying it is right, it should certainly not be suppressed.

I have a PhD. That does not make me an authority in my discipline. It means I trained, with some commitment of time & money, to ask questions. If we find a hypothesis which fits the evidence & then stop-because “look how well our hypothesis fits the evidence,” we have failed. Worse, we have deceived ourselves because there may be 10 hypotheses which fit the evidence. Stopping challenge & different views does not work. It’s bad enough we have Critical Race Theory etc. I thought this nonsense where one’s mind is already made up had been contained in some sections of academia. It is dismaying to see this destructive approach applied to Science and a free press.

363904 ▶▶ RickH, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #787 of 2062 🔗

“a rise October/November above the last 5 years”

It has to be said yet again : The ‘last five years’ is (a) too short and (b) too anomalous as a meaningful baseline. We have just come through a ~10y. period of unprecedentedly low mortality.

In a wider and more representative context, the autumn rise is well within the median range of mortality.

363915 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to RickH, 1, #788 of 2062 🔗

I agree-I was concentrating on the ‘second wave’ error in creating one after the undoubted heavy death toll registered in April.

363939 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to frankfrankly, 2, #789 of 2062 🔗

“We saw the pidemic peak in April”

I would say that we saw deaths peak in April.

There is solid evidence that most of those excess deaths were due to lockdown measures, including the expulsion of patients from hospitals.

363853 John P, replying to John P, 14, #790 of 2062 🔗

I was dismayed last might when I read of the furore over Lord Sumption’s remarks on the Sunday morning discussion programme.

I tried to defend him on the comment threads of the DM, but the damage had been done and it was self inflicted. I suppose if you’re a senior judge you are used to people listening to what you have to say, but he’s now retired and his choice of words was unfortunate and politically naive.

It did though again get me into thinking about an argument that has raged over the course of the – what to call it? – “crisis”. Namely, is it really acceptable to trash the economy and put the lives of the young and healthy on hold to “save” (which actually in practical terms means extend) the lives of the very old and frail?

I came to the conclusion some time ago that quality of life is actually really what matters and not “quantity”. And as the old cliche runs: it’s not how you die that matters, but how you live.

While I don’t necessarily think it’s morally wrong, I nevertheless don’t think it’s useful to think of anyone’s life in terms of “worth”. Generally, people’s lives are worth something to themselves even if to no-one else.

In the situation where resources are scarce then the choice between “saving” (ie, extending) the life of a 9 year old clearly trumps “saving” the life of a 90 year old, and that was probably what Sumption meant, but when resources are sufficient both ages can be accommodated.

But still nobody, whoever they are, or whatever their age, is immortal. At least not in a physical sense. Death is the great leveller. And nobody has a right to any set number of years of life. You’ve got to go sometime. And I think that this should always be borne in mind.

363962 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 5, #791 of 2062 🔗

I broadly agree, though I don’t think Sumption was naive. I am sure he knew how many would react. It needed saying.

The thing is, healthcare resources are still scarce, and always will be, so we still need to decide what treatments to offer, and to whom. And the resources of society are scarce too. Not as scarce as they were, but not infinite.

Let’s say lockdowns “work” – how do you decide if they are justified without putting a value on life?

363983 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Julian, 6, #792 of 2062 🔗

All the precious snowflakes and NHS lovers whinging about Sumption will also now be campaigning to have NICE dissolved then I take it, or is that different because “reasons”.
They seem completely unaware that most decisions in life are run through a cost / benefit analysis.

364010 ▶▶▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #793 of 2062 🔗

A degree in Gender Studies and copy of Mansfield Park do not equip you for the economic realities of life.

363988 ▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 4, #794 of 2062 🔗

his choice of words was unfortunate and politically naive

Or perhaps it was not political.

The question here is to what extent it is beneficial to evade confronting a lie to avoid short term political cost (and I’m not saying that isn’t sometimes wise or necessary). The basic, fundamentally irrational dogma that any kind of policy choice that does not conform to “if it saves [any] one life” is morally unacceptable was at the root of the disastrous rejection of sanity for lockdown radicalism, earlier last year.

If you evade confronting it, you might avoid the inevitable smear response but it’s highly unlikely you will ever defeat the now established ideology of lockdown, because you are effectively accepting one of the core (false) premises upon which it is based. It most likely cannot be done – you are defeated before you begin.

No reason to think defeating this insanity, deeply embedded as it is within our culture, and so profoundly useful for so many powerful people and groups, will be easy.

364009 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 6, #795 of 2062 🔗

Totally agree

I am glad he said it

It might move the Overton Window

Sumption has nothing much to protect, or he doesn’t care too much about what he does have to protect – he is rich and retired. If he doesn’t say this stuff, no-one will.

364366 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Victoria, #797 of 2062 🔗

good for him

363868 NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #798 of 2062 🔗

We’re hearing a lot of comments from doctors & BBC jounalists claiming that patients now are younger than in the spring. Here’s a chart from the NHS monthly data sheet: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/Covid-Publication-14-01-2021.xlsx that shows hospital admissions by age on a 7 day rolling average basis. Can you see a skew towards younger patients?

363919 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to NickR, 2, #799 of 2062 🔗

Should be obvious this is very unlikely since admissions and deaths of older people always rise in Winter.

363933 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to NickR, 1, #800 of 2062 🔗

I think it was ‘Swedenborg’ who posted data yesterday. showing that the median age of ‘covid deaths’ was rising.

363959 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 6, #801 of 2062 🔗

BBC journalists are now lying openly

363869 albert hall, 11, #802 of 2062 🔗

Plod was caught out arresting people for sitting on benches in Bournemouth the other day. I wonder if they’ve rethought that policy as in Boscombe, just down the road apiece nearly every bench on the cliff top was occupied.

363875 l835, replying to l835, 6, #803 of 2062 🔗

Did I hear the latest gov ad right? “Bend the rules and people will die”

363878 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to l835, 5, #804 of 2062 🔗

I was just about to post on this . Typo -die . So go down the aisle the wrong way in Tesco and bye bye shopper doing the right thing.

363879 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to arfurmo, 1, #805 of 2062 🔗

Auto correct, bill gates trying to make me look stupid!

363884 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to l835, 14, #806 of 2062 🔗

This is now going well beyond 1984 level of bullshit. I mean the constant fear porn propaganda, It’s relentless on every channel, avenue, poster, radio, internet fucking CBBC…There is no end to this, not for another couple of year. I just don’t watch any TV anymore except TV series on Amazon Prime 9 Wire in the Blood…very good so is Inspector Gently). I’m surprised there is even anybody still out there that is a LS as this is another level.

364005 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #807 of 2062 🔗

I agree and watch very little on ‘live’ TV anymore. The only good thing on the BBC now is Death in Paradise! At least it’s a bit of escapism. Whether it’s worth the licence fee is another question.

363957 ▶▶ Julian, replying to l835, 2, #808 of 2062 🔗

Yes, I heard that, on my way to a busy London landmark full of people desperately trying to salvage some kind of pleasure from life

363991 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to l835, #809 of 2062 🔗

Laughable.

363941 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #811 of 2062 🔗

I wonder if there was more to the story than that, however. Liked the airport, did not want to go back to his shared apartment, up to something, whatever.

363977 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Waldorf, 1, #812 of 2062 🔗

Spike Tom Banks in Terminal!!

363994 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rose, #813 of 2062 🔗

That did spring to mind.
It is probably quite possible to live in an airport, if you are not expelled from it by security and are given some kind of sustenance or can steal it.

364029 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #814 of 2062 🔗

Singh has a master’s degree in hospitality, is unemployed …

364160 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #815 of 2062 🔗

And likely to stay that way if current trends continue.

365075 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #816 of 2062 🔗

Why do you need a Master’s in Hospitality? I have visions of complicated vol au vents or tricky negotiations over the Presidential Suite.

363887 Victoria, 2, #817 of 2062 🔗

COVID-19 vaccine reactions being blamed on PEG, but could it be the body responding to mRNA transhumanist genetic reprogramming?

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If you take a COVID-19 vaccine, you’ll become a GMO

But what if PEG is not what is actually causing serious adverse events? What if Chinese virus vaccines are so serious of an affront to the human body and its natural DNA blueprints that these anaphylaxis reactions are a sign of permanent autoimmunity?

To be clear, we know that PEG is harmful and should not be injected into humans. At the same time, it would be remiss to ignore the fact that mRNA technology is a form of genetic engineering that permanently alters the human genome in ways that are still largely unknown.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/scientists-scramble-identify-culprit-behind-covid-vaccine-allergic-reactions

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/press-release/fda-ignores-rfk-jr-s-pleas-for-vaccine-safety-oversight-concerning-peg-suspected-to-cause-anaphylaxis/

363906 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 2, #818 of 2062 🔗

Does anyone know if Toby (or anyone else) has responded to the ludicrous Dominic Lawson piece in The Times yesterday?

I know there were comments here but has their been anything more ‘formal’?

Or is the view that its not worth responding….?

364535 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to The Rule of Pricks, #819 of 2062 🔗

I did:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Agv7JEO8MngCilfDSH0wnbFMnZoQ?e=hEjzda

Similar e-mail to Devi Sridhar and Neil O’Brien, my MP, Hancock, the bumbling buffoon and idiot Starmer.

No answers so far.

363908 isobar, 13, #820 of 2062 🔗

“Lockdowns are killing lives, not saving them”
https://muchadoaboutcorona.ca/lockdowns-are-killing/

Brave politician in Canada tells it like it is and gets kicked out of his party for saying so!

363918 Victoria, 1, #821 of 2062 🔗

Re a doctor ( Dr Brownstein ) that successfully treated over 100 very sick Covid patients (not one died) at the beginning of the ‘outbreak’ and was then censored / instructed to remove all his treatment protocols from his website / prevented from treating Covid patients — by the US health authorities

Finally! The Start of a New Year……

I am sorry that I have not been writing to you since April 2020. Working on the front lines during COVID-19 has not only been the most exciting time in my career, it has also been the most frustrating time because I was censored. I have not been able to share my experience, thoughts, and concerns during this difficult time.

I am pleased to report that our patients are still doing well in regard to COVID-19. We are continuing to work with our patients to support their immune systems and they are responding appropriately. Thankfully, COVID-19 seems to be on a decline in our population over the last few weeks. Our parking lot visits with our patients are declining–that is a good thing! Winter IV’s outside are no fun for anyone.

https://www.drbrownstein.com/blog/67aonp8y415kiij4lh52dn63kug26q

363930 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 18, #822 of 2062 🔗

A friend we’d not heard from for years emailed us on Saturday. She is 80 and her partner is a few years younger. They are highly-educated, self-styled ‘greenies’, Guardian and C4 devotees and they live in a large, very detached house in the Yorkshire Dales with extensive grounds.

I opened the email with low expectations and I was still disappointed. Despite enjoying good health and living in the countryside they have been ‘self-isolating’ since March. Kind neighbours bring their shopping. She is yet another example of the liberal chatterati of our acquaintance who has bought the bloody lot! The supreme irony is that, years ago, she sent me a lot of her Science PhD research on the problems with false-positives in breast cancer-screening (yes, I know it’s not the same thing as PCR but, you know?)

And there’s worse: she has had the 1st dose of one of the vaccines (not sure which) and she is moaning that her 2nd dose has been cancelled and that the partner hasn’t yet had his so they still need to ‘isolate’. Her email ended:

‘As for the handling of the pandemic in this country, well, I must say if in general things get much worse we will move to Scotland and hope for independence. Never known such mendacity and incompetence and corruption. I go on twitter quite a lot but at present am stayng off it as I get so angry with the stuff I hear/read. I am afraid that things won’t get better for a long time, Covid or no Covid’

Well we can agree on the ‘mendacity, incompetence and corruption’. I’m not sure what she means by the last bit but I doubt if she’s heading for scepticism any time soon!

I did reply and I tried to keep it factual and as measured as I could and I didn’t go near WEF and such stuff. However, I couldn’t resist a p.s:

‘Before you sell up, are you absolutely sure that ‘Wee Krankie’ actually has any intention of pursuing Scottish independence?’

I will be surprised if I hear from her again but I hope she survives that sodding jab! MW

363953 ▶▶ RickH, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 8, #823 of 2062 🔗

I think many of us have had parallel personal conflicts over Covid.

What worries me is the degree of denial of the simple fact that 2020 shows no sign of being a notoriously dangerous year!

363986 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 8, #824 of 2062 🔗

Would it not be a good idea if all of the zealots moved to Scotland and those in Scotland opposed to lockdowns moved to England/Wales?

364000 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #825 of 2062 🔗

Yes, please! I already plan to leave Scotland in the near future. The idea that things are any better here is SNP nonsense. Amazing how those in England who hate the Tories have this knee-jerk reaction and believe anything that suits their own prejudices (confirmation bias?). Don’t let the objective facts get in the way of your ideology. Of course, we’ve seen this on a much larger scale since last March….

364035 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #826 of 2062 🔗

The trouble is, my PhD friend almost certainly applaud’s the Sturgeon’s ‘tough’ lockdown policies and would prefer to live under them than ‘lax, anything-goes’ England (!) I could despair. . . . MW

364071 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ewan Duffy, #827 of 2062 🔗

If Shetland cuts the cord from Wee Nippy then I would gladly emigrate

363935 niko, 4, #828 of 2062 🔗

Re: A Wittgensteinian Writes…
In his full article “Why we Shouldn’t Moralise Means to Moral Ends”, Ben Hawkins summons up some distinctions from philosophical ethics on behalf of rational debate about lockdowns:
“Until we recognise that lockdowns are not a fundamental moral good, but a contingent means to achieve a moral end, we will not be able to have the rational debate, and will thus be prevented from finding the best possible solution to dealing with the pandemic.”

“…(L)ockdowns are not an absolute moral good, they are a contingent means proposed to achieve the moral end of preventing unnecessary deaths.”

Means and ends, contingent and absolute…I get the distinctions. I’m just wondering if people in positions of authority making decisions for the rest of us do. Are they having rational debates among themselves about these fine points? Because they sure don’t appear to be having them with the rest of us. In fact, when I listen to what little they’re simply telling us while ordering us around, since their ‘state of emergency’ doesn’t seem to leave much opportunity for democratic debate, about the last way I’d characterize their consistent inconsistency, or lying (if I may draw on this ethical tradition of the privileged and powerful), is ‘rational’. More like rationalization, I’d say.

And as for their own pursuit of such moral ends as “preventing unnecessary deaths”, I can’t say I’m particularly confident they give a shyte. If anything, it appears they’re in hot pursuit of contingent means, like lockdowns, for producing unnecessary deaths, as a kind of necessity. I even suspect some of officialdom overseeing ‘public health’ may very well be real life versions of the kind of bureaucratic ‘logic’ illustrated in the sketch of government ministry recounted by Hawkins where killing all the poor is proposed, hypothetically of course, as a solution to economic recession. After all, once the Great Reset’s depopulation goals are met, aren’t such pesky problems like the poor themselves promised a “final solution” as Doktor Bill Gates has prescribed?

Modest proposals of Lilliputians in government, or Laputans in the academy, recall what Hawkins treats in terms of moral (hinge) reflexes and beliefs, which provide the ground for, and limit to, what’s rational and up for debate. As such governing framework, these arational or metarational components of morality actually pertain to a neglected dimension of ethics obscured by the prevailing rational discourses of modernity, that of the virtues, which are learned in the living of social practices carried across generations by cultural and communal traditions.

I’d suggest it’s the loss of cultivated virtues, from civility to compassion, which principally explain the conflicts, antagonisms, breakdowns, and absence of rational debate we are witness to with most any public, political issue nowadays, above all with the p(l)andemic. The kind of rational irrationality which results from the mechanization of modern society, in which human community has been largely replaced by bureaucratic institutions, gemeinschaft to gesellschaft, as considered by critics from Weber to Kafka, have alienated us from more holistic human potentials of ourselves as fully sentient and not just thinking beings, Cartesianism notwithstanding. Indeed, the lockdowns, and the prison sentences they reduce us to, are perfect expressions and reinforcements of this alienation and, along with other torture techniques like ‘social distancing’ and masking, a means of depersonalizing us in such ways as to condition us, by practice made perfect, to surrender our humanity to the technocratic rule rolling out (and the transhumanist future of Humanity 2.0).

And so professional managers of social engineering, well indoctrinated in the narrowly specialized rational discourses serving inhuman ends of the machinery of production for the interests of psychopaths, keep justifying the indefensible with Orwellian newspeak and doublethink. And the rest of us proles and plebs are expected to assume our usual parts as mute resources to be manipulated, as if in keeping with Wittgenstein’s final words to the Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, perversely understood as the proper role of slaves: “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.” Unless we regain and reaffirm the voices of virtuous resistance on behalf of freedom and autonomy which run so much deeper and broader in the stream of humanity than any obedience of virtue signalers.

363937 Bugle, 11, #829 of 2062 🔗

40% of LA firefighters decline to show up for coronavirus vaccine. It’s not just us, people.

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2021/01/16/40-of-l-a-firefighters-decline-to-show-for-coronavirus-vaccine/

363945 Cathnotchas, replying to Cathnotchas, 25, #830 of 2062 🔗

Re ‘tragic’ deaths.
In 1952, when I was 7, my father died ( pneumonia)aged 37, leaving my mother with 5 children under 9.
That was a tragedy.
Seven years later, my mother died ( breast cancer)aged 45.
That was a tragedy.
In 1976 my father in law died , aged 76.
That was very sad, not a tragedy.
In 2000, my mother in law died, aged 96, that was sad, definitely not a tragedy.

363978 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cathnotchas, 1, #831 of 2062 🔗

Totally agree, with one caveat.
In 1967 when I was 11, my maternal grandfather died aged 66- to me that was tragic.
In 1977, my father died from aspiration aged 47, a tragedy.
in 1983, my maternal grandmother died aged 80 from cancer, sad but not tragic or unexpected.
in 2006, my 76 year old mother died from sepsis, sad and unexpected but tragic?

364164 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to p02099003, 2, #832 of 2062 🔗

When I was 17 my grandfather died of meliofibrosis. It took him by surprise and he died within 4 weeks justing gettng more tired. I helped out in his garden during this and he was sitting in chair and said:

“In my head I’m still 21. I’m still running around”

This is arguably the best thing I’ve ever heard. I was sad when he died but glad I got to hear that

363948 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #833 of 2062 🔗

Zoe update

Daily new symptomatics continuing to fall (see graph)

Total symptomatic falling rapidly

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

363954 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #834 of 2062 🔗

R value was falling linearly since 18th December and will likely level out somewhere. Currently 0.72 (it levelled out at 0.85 after the March/April spike)

This lockdown is not very strict in comparison to March/April and we are much more in the winter so this lower R must be due to herd immunity. I imagine this was largely reached by last summer and what we see now is normal seasonal virus

363999 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, 2, #835 of 2062 🔗

Not sure I agree with all of your comment. I wish sceptics would be a bit more reticent about declaring herd immunity (think Yeadon) but I think it likely that, if the current decline continues, it will be a lot more difficult for the virus to make much progress in any future outbreaks.

364002 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 2, #836 of 2062 🔗

Self limiting? Endemic? Carl Henegen summer 2020?

364025 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 4, #837 of 2062 🔗

My comment about being close to herd immunity is just my opinion – I have no proof for it – nobody knows how far we are from it. A good way to find out would be to end all restrictions for 1 week and calculate the R and compare with the naive R or Ro from the beginning. Not going to happen though!

I do think that the seasonal cycle we have seen (ie no spikes, low R etc) is symptomatic of an endemic virus that we broadly have a herd immunity to. Coronavirus number 5. This seems the same in Sweden – spike, then seasonal variation.

363961 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to steve_w, 4, #838 of 2062 🔗

In terms of the UK, of course this will happen. C19 has been mapped onto annual flu/cold graphs, and ‘predictions’ made accordingly. Every rise and fall has been thoroughly predictable, including the September ‘second spike’, and this info has been used cynically by SAGE & the government throughout (much like Columbus taking away the moon). It will flatten in January and fall from Feb onwards (regardless of lockdown) as it always does – unless rigged. Remember there is no flu when C19 is around, allegedly…

363966 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 8, #839 of 2062 🔗

Yes. The total failure of SAGE and government to get anything right seems to be passed over with insousiance.

363975 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #840 of 2062 🔗

yes, hence no increase in mortality

364011 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 1, #841 of 2062 🔗

So when is diversions from the mean significant? That is, the SD number? I see its above 3 there. Just looking a bit more detail thanks.

364047 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #842 of 2062 🔗

we would have expected higher deaths this winter – cancer treatment missed, lockdowns, stress etc

the above graph shows 1 spike and a (bit higher than last 5 year average) seasonal cycle – but not out of the range of seasonal cycles in last 20 years

364079 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #843 of 2062 🔗

an SD of 3 means its unlikely (but not impossible) due to chance alone. But we have had an insane year of restrictions and I’m not claiming the above is statistically equivalent to the mean. Its a bit above and we would expect it to be because a) lockdowns kill b) apparently we are in the middle of a pandemic.

Given a) and b) above – the seasonal rise this winter is very small and clearly nothing like the march/April spike

364015 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, #844 of 2062 🔗

Careful, Steve, January could see a big spike.

364054 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 2, #845 of 2062 🔗

unlikely. there isn’t a spike in the Zoe data – which I trust. It peaked on 7th jan (daily new symptomatics) and has fallen significantly

363949 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #846 of 2062 🔗

Could Most COVID-19 Deaths Have Been Prevented?

  • More than 100 doctors, scientists and leading authorities have signed an open letter calling for increased use of vitamin D in the fight against COVID-19
  • The letter recommends taking enough vitamin D to achieve a blood level of at least 30 ng/mL (75 nmol/L). They also urge testing of all hospitalized COVID-19 patients and adding vitamin D to the treatment protocol for any patient whose level is below 30 ng/mL
  • The Irish Covit-D Consortium is also calling for greater use of vitamin D against COVID-19, citing evidence showing it can lower the risk of death from COVID-19 in the elderly by as much as 700%
  • Research shows giving critically ill COVID-19 patients high doses of vitamin D significantly reduced the number of days they had to spend in the ICU. They were also less likely to need ventilation
  • Another recent study found high-dose vitamin D supplementation sped up viral clearance; 62.5% of participants in the intervention group became SARS-CoV-2 RNA negative within 21 days, compared to just 20.8% of controls who did not receive vitamin D

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/18/vitamin-d-prevents-coronavirus-death.aspx

363955 ▶▶ alw, replying to Victoria, 6, #847 of 2062 🔗

Older people go to sunnier climes during the winter months to top up the vitamin D Unfortunately we can no longer travel. Sunshine far better than taking daily tablets.

364277 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Victoria, 1, #848 of 2062 🔗

I have been taking it for years, I dont get much sun at any time of the year, I know they were recommending everyone over a certain age took it in the winter, but not many people took notice, I have been telling everyone about it for months, but most of it falls on dear ears.

363956 p02099003, 8, #849 of 2062 🔗

In an email about having the vaccine from my employer, via the clinical lead.
Following the vaccination some of you will experience symptoms that demonstrate a non-specific immune response, such as fever. The general advice in relation to this is that the post vaccination symptoms should be relatively mild and resolve within 24 hours. Generally, COVID-19 specific symptoms such as cough, alteration to taste and smell, runny nose , or shortness of breath should not occur. If any of these symptoms occur, or the symptoms seem severe then a COVID swab should be arranged just in case of a coincidental COVID-19 infection .” ( my emphasis)

I hadn’t realised that a runny nose (coryza) was on the list of symptoms, so the common cold now warrants a PCR test. Fever having been removed, but is now acknowledged as a non specific immune response, I.e. innate immunity.

363958 Mark, replying to Mark, 14, #850 of 2062 🔗

First of many entries for “woke gobbledegook” from the soon to be POTUS, as yet more leftist “woke” dogma is injected into our laws and the fabric of our societies:

Joe Biden – “Male convicts that identify as female will be housed with women.

In prison the determination should be that your sexual identity is defined by what you say it is not what in fact the prison says it is .””

https://gab.com/Simondolan/posts/105575799884340576

How may male convicts will choose to self identify as lesbian, I wonder?

363964 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, -13, #851 of 2062 🔗

Do stick to the knitting. BTW – the idea of Biden as ‘left’ is just irrelevant and ludicrous playground stuff.

363972 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 2, #852 of 2062 🔗

which definition of ‘left’ is it that you are signed up to?

364050 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, -1, #853 of 2062 🔗

The rational one, rather than the twisted-knickers-on-the-head one that includes the US Democrat establishment and also sees the Big Orange as some ‘People’s Hero’

363981 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to RickH, 5, #854 of 2062 🔗

He is a globalist pro politician left or not, whose main achievement is using political position to enrich family members. He won’t be good, as really he is a puppet for some sinister individuals.

364007 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 7, #855 of 2062 🔗

Do stick to the knitting .”

No, for the reasons explained at length to you on numerous occasions, without response.

the idea of Biden as ‘left’ is just irrelevant and ludicrous playground stuff.

Again, as explained out to you in detail on numerous occasions without response, your particular politically convenient restriction of “left” to a ridiculously confined subset of political issues of which you approve is utterly unsustainable.

Identity politics of the modern “woke” varieties are dogmas of the political left. Own them, deal with them, address them, or just continue to hide in political irrelevance.

363965 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mark, 2, #856 of 2062 🔗

the ones that aren’t gay

363976 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mark, 1, #857 of 2062 🔗

Nothing woke in Marx btw
Had a lot of choice opinions about the blacks
Engels even more so
Wokery is Neo-Liberalism

363989 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #858 of 2062 🔗

this neo-liberalism seems to be a disease of the left

364024 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Major Panic, #859 of 2062 🔗

In the same way Neo-Conservatives are not Conservative
Neo-Libs/Neo Cons are pure Corporatism

364053 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Crystal Decanter, #860 of 2062 🔗

“Conservatives” are not conservative because they do not have conservative attitudes and nor do they act to promote conservatism (the idea that tradition is our best guide to stability and security and changes to society should occur slowly and organically, not be imposed from above pursuant to some radical ideological belief in building a better society or humanity).

Blairites and Corbynites are mostly of the left, because they mostly have leftist (radical) attitudes and act to promote radical changes to society to supposedly achieve their radical goals.

Whether those changes address particular issues of wealth equality, taxation, public ownership etc is a detail determining only which brand of left they belong to.

364020 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #861 of 2062 🔗

Marx does not define the left, and the idea that it does (or rather, a conveniently selected subset of his ideas does) appears to be basically the fallacy underlying RickH’s and others’ problems with modern political reality. There were left and right before Marx and they remain, long after his politics have been discredited and the bits of his thinking of any lasting value extracted.

Wokery is quintessentially an ideology of the left.

364021 ▶▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #862 of 2062 🔗

Marx hated wishy-washy lefties, there is no Communist-Lite. Nor do the Neo-Liberals understand Classical Liberalism. They seem to be just a gaggle of adult sized children with a childish aprehension of fairness and reason pretending to have a coherent ideology. Nor do their champions in government have any policy other than ‘do what is popular with the shoutiest twats on Twitter’, The whole sorry business is vacuous in the extreme.

363979 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Mark, 2, #863 of 2062 🔗

all the rapists obviously

363985 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to vargas99, #864 of 2062 🔗

yes, and once they rock up in the women’s prisons the women will all identify as men and head off to the men’s prisons where only gay men will reside

364056 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, #865 of 2062 🔗

… if you see what I mean 🙂

363973 steve_w, 14, #867 of 2062 🔗

R values for last years epidemic for several countries across Europe

1 – they fell linearly
2 – in the UK, R was below 1 by about 17th March – 5 days before the lockdown
3 – lockdown on 23rd had no noticeable effect

Why did R fall from 1st March?

1 – immunity increasing
2 – weather changing (although this unlikely as the main cause as the weather doesn’t change so similarly across Europe)
3 – behaviour change (handwashing, working from home, advice, personal risk assessments etc)

We know that lockdown 1 was unnecessary to ‘flatten the curve’

R is currently falling from a peak on the 18th December to the latest value of 0.72. There is no significant effect of restrictions and the rate of fall of R over the last month is identical to the fall before 23rd March – from 1.5 to 1 in 17 days.

The lockdowns have zero discernible effect in the data. They are wholly unnecessary.

363982 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 5, #868 of 2062 🔗

Some fascinating reading here.

Better support those Indian farmers, I reckon.

https://wrenchinthegears.com/2021/01/06/an-open-letter-to-zach-buch-about-impact-agriculture/

Excerpt (my bold):

The Fourth Industrial Revolution that is advancing on the heels of Covid is a program to remake the earth as a machine controlled by artificial intelligence, automation, and synthetic biology. This is not a deep state conspiracy theory. I wish it were, but it is not….

In a word they are aiming for most of humanity, besides the billionaire class, to be virtualized and disconnected from the earth for our own good. And this new world has to be coded. The synthetic biology agenda must be advanced. Slowly the world will be remade as data. Remaking the food system is a part of that.

363998 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 7, #869 of 2062 🔗

This is why many are calling it a spiritual battle. It is disconnecting humans from nature in more and more ways. The Eastern traditions will recognise this much more immediately than ours, it’s always been that way.

364003 ▶▶ jos, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #870 of 2062 🔗

The problem is they are trying to cover up their own greed along with a big mega-lie (we’re all living in a simulation for example?) the discovery of which was made several decades ago when they tried to go further than sub-orbital space travel and NASA was created to fake a plausible universe- this works for me and makes as much sense as anything else (coincided with the Chinese moon rock mission last year which they’ve been very quiet about.. look at the footage – there’s laughing in the background).

364169 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #871 of 2062 🔗

Revelation 9:6 “In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.”

363992 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #872 of 2062 🔗

fuck me the fuckwit tory minister they just had on talkthesamestuffeverydayradio.. we are fucked… really fucked..

364088 ▶▶ iane, replying to chaos, #873 of 2062 🔗

Yep – and, then, they will fuck us some more!

364001 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #874 of 2062 🔗

in the interest of balance and transparency would it be an idea to inform us of deaths within 28 days of a covid ‘vaccine’?

364026 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Major Panic, 1, #875 of 2062 🔗

I think we can be pretty confident nobody is collecting that particular piece of information…..

364004 TheBluePill, 5, #876 of 2062 🔗

Just found this on BBC “news” website:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/ideas/videos/five-simple-ways-to-sharpen-your-critical-thinking/p0929tns

Wow, they are so deluded. This is an exact description of everything that is wrong about BBC “news” and the misplaced trust of it. How could any of their “journalists” watch this, let alone produce it, without feeling just a little bit like a moron.

364013 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 13, #877 of 2062 🔗

A refutation of the”you have blood on your hands if you don’t wear a mask” comment.
If you weren’t wearing a mask prior to July 2020, you too have blood on your hands.

364016 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to PatrickF, 3, #878 of 2062 🔗

It’s much easier to laugh at such obvious fuckwittery rather than debase oneself by engaging in such moronic ‘debate’.

364018 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PatrickF, 2, #879 of 2062 🔗

Every prior flu season as well

364045 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to PatrickF, 2, #880 of 2062 🔗

See my comment 7 minutes after yours.

Those wearing masks now have blood on their hands by their own logic.

If they think they are helping to slow a pandemic, then they are helping to increase the ultimate number of deaths from that pandemic.

364133 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to PatrickF, 4, #881 of 2062 🔗

Some were I remember being in Aldi around April and seeing someone gloved and muzzled. How stupid I thought -and then they brought in muzzling.Still think it’s stupid

364014 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -2, #882 of 2062 🔗

Professor Burns writes

If you like, I can extrapolate further on the IgG response, but readers should be aware of the primary response explained above.

Not sure anyone takes notice of the comments but I would be very interested to read more of any further contributions from Professor Burns.

I’m surprised (or perhaps not) that more LS readers haven’t expressed interest.

364033 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Mayo, #883 of 2062 🔗

What are you most curious about re Prof. Burns’ contribution? What further info are you hoping for?

364059 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, #884 of 2062 🔗

I’m not surprised that you did not see my earlier comment on the comment

364069 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #885 of 2062 🔗

the professors contribution may also explain why the fishermen on the boat you mentioned yesterday could still have tested positive even with some T cell immunity, something I pointed out in my clumsy comments at the time

364188 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, #886 of 2062 🔗

His technical explanation of the difference between t cells and antibodies is also very well described here.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563/rr-6

364030 HelenaHancart, 14, #887 of 2062 🔗

..and in other news…I heard that Salisbury Cathedral actually played gentle organ music as they jabbed everyone….and good news: The first payout of £7000 has been awarded for mask discrimination.

364031 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 8, #888 of 2062 🔗

Reposting ….

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The folowing study from the University of Edinburgh suggests that anti-social distancing, if it does slow down the progress of an epidemic, does so at the cost of increasing the ultimate number of deaths from that epidemic.

There are always trade-offs.

https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2020/shutting-schools-increases-covid-19-deaths-study-f

I think of it like this. If you are walking through a forest searching for a particular variety of flower, then if you quickly run through, then you will reach a high count quickly at the cost of missing many examples, whereas if you walk slowly through the forest, then it will take longer, but ultimately you will reach a much higher count.

Slowing down the progress of an epidemic hinders the building of buffers of people with strong immune systems, who protect the weak, and instead allows a virus to more efficiently find those with weak immune systems, who are more likely to die.
———————————————–

So, if you see anybody, who is not in a vulnerable group, such as the elderly or the immunocompromised, doing something which is supposed to slow down a pandeic, stuff like muzzle-wearing or distancing, then you can kindly inform them that they are acring to increase the ultimate number of deaths.

364041 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 5, #889 of 2062 🔗

yes, there are a number of papers on this effect

normal society in a pandemic is a bit like the Great Barrington Declaration – the vulnerable hide away and the young go out and get immunity

what lockdown does is stop the young getting immunity (or slows it down at least)

364052 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, #890 of 2062 🔗

The only possible point of such measures to slow down a pandemic is to reduce the peak load for hospitals.

Flattening the curve is achieved at the cost of increasing the area under the curve.

364068 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 1, #891 of 2062 🔗

yes. but is show not to work anyway. probably because the infetions are going round places that haven’t locked down – NHS, meat packing factories etc

lots of us were working at home before 23rd March – lockdown had negligible effect on our interactions and however hard they tighten the screw – I still don’t see any less people

364075 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 1, #892 of 2062 🔗

No, I don’t believe the measures work either.

However, in discussions with borderline covidians it might be useful to make the point that even if the measures do work, then they ultimately increase the number of deaths – because they work.

364085 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 1, #893 of 2062 🔗

yes! they don’t work, but even if they did then theory shows they would kill more people anyway!

364112 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 2, #894 of 2062 🔗

Exactly !

If you want to make sure more grannies die, then stay at home and wear a mask if you go outside.

364032 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 17, #895 of 2062 🔗

Just listened to David Icke

https://davidicke.com/2021/01/01/2021-where-from-here-david-icke-dot-connector-videocast/

Usual stuff about inner cults, etc..

However i few sound bites that we must all practice and use.

Do what you know is right and stick to that!! (Don’t be forced into accepting anything that you know is not right)

I will not participate in my own enslavement (again when asked to do anything you know is not right)

Stop saying you want your freedoms back and just live your life as a free person. (They are not going to give your freedoms back, end of)

364183 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Andrew K, 6, #896 of 2062 🔗

Neil Oliver on Talk Radio a while back always sticks in my mind. You don’t have to be the next hero but all you have to say is “I do not consent”. That phrase I keep coming back to, especially now these vaccine passports and attempts at mandatory rules for employment come into focus.

Stand your ground.

364034 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #897 of 2062 🔗

Metro.co.uk: Dr Hilary Jones warns people won’t be able to holiday this summer.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/18/dr-hilary-jones-has-bad-news-for-people-hoping-to-holiday-this-summer-13921153/

364039 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #898 of 2062 🔗

He isn’t wrong, but how on Earth is this gimp seen as an authority on anything, and why would anyone think his opinion carries any actual weight?

364044 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to jb12, 9, #899 of 2062 🔗

He’s a wrong un

364151 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to jb12, 5, #900 of 2062 🔗

I realised he was a moron a long ago time ago when on television he told a girl who had just gone deaf that there was nothing wrong with her and her deafness was all in her mind. I thought what a conceited B….. . All in your mind translates to me as I am an ignorant doctor and don’t at this moment know why you have gone deaf but I am not going to admit that as it will make me look stupid. So instead I will totally wreck your life and let your family think you are just taking the p…

364064 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tom Blackburn, #901 of 2062 🔗

Yew tree enthusiast

364124 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Tom Blackburn, #902 of 2062 🔗

Absolute Chunt !

364156 ▶▶ mj, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #903 of 2062 🔗

Always reminds me of Dr Nick from the Simpsons, except less convincing

364048 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #904 of 2062 🔗

Is anyone else often struck by the fact that many of the most hysterically pro-lockdown outlets/figures/publications – on the grounds that “all life is sacred no matter what” – are also enthusiastic advocates of euthanasia or “assisted dying”?

364083 ▶▶ iane, replying to Jo Starlin, #905 of 2062 🔗

No – rather the reverse: they seem mostly to be those who will not allow humans undergoing ongoing internal torture to choose their escape.

364118 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #906 of 2062 🔗

They also tend to be fanatics about abortion as well.

364131 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #907 of 2062 🔗

also the most ardent advocates of transing children

364179 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #908 of 2062 🔗

It’s actually an easy stance to take because it requires very little thought.

All you need is empty rhetoric.

364049 Hellonearth, replying to Hellonearth, 65, #909 of 2062 🔗

I may have said this before and apologies if I have, lockdown is sending me bonkers so that can be my excuse. Does anyone else feel like they have had a complete personality change?. A year ago, I was a pleasant person who would engage with people, I would smile and talk to those who were chatty and warm. I now walk about with a permanent scowl on my face, if I’m outside and a muskatier walks past, I give them a disgusted side glance sneer. I am having numerous rows with my other half, unfortunately he is in cloud cuckoo land and thinks all will be ok in the world.

I am not the same person that I was, this is all down to the communist regime in power. How can an idiot like Bojo, a jumped up creep like Hancock, a walking zombie like Whitty, have ruined so many lives. Too many people have just accepted it all, and I am fuming at all the compliance and fear. I hate far too many people, present company excepted of course, and finally, I feel like I have aged a decade in a year. Strange how every diktat these bastards come out with is bad for our physical and mental health.

364062 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Hellonearth, 8, #910 of 2062 🔗

I’m the same – just a little more bored

364076 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Hellonearth, 23, #911 of 2062 🔗

You are not alone I can’t stand living amongst a majority who allow themself to be ruled irrationaly by fear and do not care for liberty and freedom.

364078 ▶▶ iane, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #912 of 2062 🔗

Yes – if you (or many of us, myself included) were here to decide the future fate of humanity, it would now all be over apart from the massive asteroid strike!

364093 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Hellonearth, 14, #913 of 2062 🔗

Will a Deflationary Spiral into economic depression wake any of them up?

Yes, I’ve turned from mildly grumpy git into a totally fucking angry bastard. Grrrrr!

On good days I try to be as healthy as possible and spot the good stuff in life but I have very little energy to keep up a thin veneer of civility when out and about. I do try to look and sometimes even smile at people, even maskholes, when shopping just to do my bit and slow the descent into dystopia. I usually leave the shop drained and with a sense of relief mixed with dismay and apoplexy.

364095 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Hellonearth, 12, #914 of 2062 🔗

It’s very challenging and a stern test of character and sanity

You are sane, others are not

Others make me angry but one should bear in mind they have been brainwashed. Opinions here vary as to how much sympathy one should have, but I choose to have some for the less culpable among us, maybe because the alternative (hating almost everyone) would be too hard

I try to stay friendly and civil but equally try to be honest and not pretend to people that everything is OK when it is not

Hope you can sort things our with your other half – my close family are united with me in their views on this and that has been a comfort

364199 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Julian, 6, #915 of 2062 🔗

As far as family goes, I have one son who is on my side, all the others talk behind my back( I’m not stupid) and laugh at my ‘conspiracy theories’. Maybe I never was as nice as I gave myself credit for, one thing is for sure, I will never forgive those who have backed these lockdowns. When all is revealed and we are living out our worst nightmare, I will blame them as much the tyrants who took us there.

Thank you for your comment and you certainly seem like a lovely person. I maybe should do some lines every night, like we used to be given in detention, I must try to be a nicer person, I must try to be a nicer person………

364110 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hellonearth, 5, #916 of 2062 🔗

When was the Conservative Party converted to communism?

365237 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #917 of 2062 🔗

About the same time as the Christian church converted to Covidism. So it’s still the Tory Party at prayer.

364113 ▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to Hellonearth, 19, #918 of 2062 🔗

It’s good that you recognise this change in yourself, and that you dislike it.

Take some time away from medialand, the BS will still be there when you get back. Consuming media is a harmful addictive compulsion if you let it be. You are doing half of the work for them if you let it get to you – your mind is complicit in their psychological abuse of your mental state. Stop.

Dig into philosophy, meditation, CBT, psychology, anything that will teach you to take control of your inner state – it’s vital that you teach yourself some mental Kung Fu. Remember to count the blessings you already have, and how sorry you would be if you didn’t have them.

*Something* is coming, and it may be even more challenging. Arm yourself and stop allowing yourself to be a victim of their violence. I have no special qualities but through a little introspection, learning and practice I feel more in control of my mind and reactions than ever before. All the restrictions have done is given me the time and space to grow stronger and more steady, which to my mind is the ultimate ‘fuck you’.

It is very hard right now, but you don’t get stronger by wrestling weaker opponents. See it for the opportinuty it is, and be grateful for your new perspective on society too. This manufactured crisis has revealed many truths about what lies in people’s hearts, but they are still the same people, it was always there. Be grateful and proud of what has been revealed to you about your own courage and spirit, it has been tested and shown to be real and strong. You must follow your own path, as others must follow theirs. That’s just the way it goes.

364134 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, 5, #919 of 2062 🔗

Underated post

364239 ▶▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, 2, #920 of 2062 🔗

I did some mental Kung Fu the other day and nearly poked my eye out.

364355 ▶▶▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 1, #921 of 2062 🔗

I have the added advantage in that situation of a not-very-sharp wit on which to injury myself.

365086 ▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, 1, #922 of 2062 🔗

Excellent post. very wise.

364209 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Hellonearth, 9, #923 of 2062 🔗

Thank you for all your replies, some good advice indeed. I am now preparing to go to war, well maybe not, going maskless into a supermarket. I hope that I come back alive and don’t bump into any zealots who view me as a germ ridden piece of vermin. Oh, isn’t life wonderful !(rhetorical question so no question mark required).

364267 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Hellonearth, 8, #924 of 2062 🔗

I think you’ll feel better when you dive in. I was having similar thoughts this morning as I had to go into the bank and as you do these days I preparing in my mind for trouble. I did get asked if I was exempt and that was it – everyone was very friendly. No problems whatsoever.

After I took a long stroll around town and found many people wandering around, some stopping and chatting to friends. There were some masked outdoors but I tend to feel they are victims of extreme propaganda and so feel sorry for them rather than angry. No sign of the fuzz anywhere. In my wanderings I even discovered a new historical feature – this in a town I have lived for years. By the end I was wandering around with a huge smile on my face.

Perhaps we know too much in a way, but surely we are better off than fearful that we can take and enjoy these moments of joy. And even better, if my experience today is anything to go by, we are far from alone.

364055 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 57, #925 of 2062 🔗

Just thinking about what I’d like to say to all the people complying and all the damage being done in the name of Covidianism, and the following came tumbling out:

Fasten your seatbelt
Stop smoking
Stop eating salt
Stop eating fat
Stop eating sugar
Stop eating meat
Stop driving petrol
Stop driving diesel
Stay out of the bus lanes
We are watching
We can fine you
Stop using cash
Stop saying things we don’t like
Stop ‘liking’ things we don’t approve
Take the knee
Take down your statues
Denounce your history
Denounce your gender
Denounce your race
Denounce your religion
Wear a mask
Do not go out
Do not see your family
Do not see your friends
Do not shop together
Download our app
Track and trace
Snitch on your neighbour
Do not protest
Remove your children from school
WEAR YOUR MASK
Do not see your doctor
Do not see your dentist
Save the NHS
Stay home
Watch our daily briefings
Be afraid, be afraid, be afraid
You are infectious
Your breath is murder
WEAR YOUR MASK!!!!!!!!

You say nothing
Still you say nothing
You do nothing
Still you do nothing
You say ‘more’
And you say ‘close the nurseries’
You say ‘refuse them treatment’
And you say ‘refuse them freedom’

You stand by and watch
You are not there for them
You are not inconvenienced
You are WFH happy
You have your salary
You have your nice house
You have your pension
You wear your mask
You virtue signal
You denounce the anti-maskers
You denounce the lockdown sceptics
You denounce the vaccine questioners

You switch on the BBC
You watch the masters voice
Promoting fear and hysteria
You embrace the national hypochondria

The uneducated children,
The frightened children, the neglected children,
The lost businesses,
The suicides, the bankruptcies,
The job losses, the depression,
The lonely deaths, the ‘other’ deaths

You are not there for them

But little by little
You will become them
And they will not be there for you

Care
Now
Use your power
Stop the lockdown madness

364086 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #926 of 2062 🔗

Superb!

364097 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 3, #927 of 2062 🔗

Kh is your chalk board big enough for this wonderful summary?

364117 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 9, #928 of 2062 🔗

I wish. Perhaps, with Andrea’s permission, I can reproduce bits of it!

Just been glared at through the window for today’s offering. Why is it that people’s eyes look more sinister when they are wearing masks. Anyway, flashed a smile back!

364127 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to kh1485, 2, #929 of 2062 🔗

Yes of course, edit away. Anything that helps. Keep up the good work.

364136 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Andrea Salford, #930 of 2062 🔗

Ta.

364312 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, #931 of 2062 🔗

Gonna need a bigger boat sorry chalk board.

Dunno, but keep fighting the good fight.

Have you tried poking your tongue out or pulling a funny face at them?

364094 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #932 of 2062 🔗

Fantastic!, we just need a few more million to read this, then to wake up and smell the coffee.

364099 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #933 of 2062 🔗

Awesome !

364103 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #934 of 2062 🔗

If someone does not consume any salt, it would not be long before they would be ill.

364900 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #935 of 2062 🔗

You are absolutely correct; this is how it started. How could you possibly object to being forced to wear a seat-belt?

And so it began…

364077 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #936 of 2062 🔗

https://youtu.be/5d5U9wicOmU

Glitch in the code with mark windows – an interesting listen.

When you hear Vibrant, sustainable and diverse these are communitarianism terms, all inverted from their true meaning which is a Cult practice. The mask you are wearing has nothing to do with health and everything to do with compliance.

364084 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to stefarm, 1, #937 of 2062 🔗

great podcast, opened my eyes even further!

364584 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Thomas_E, #938 of 2062 🔗

Mark Windows has immense knowledge founded on years of real investigative journalism.

364087 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 20, #939 of 2062 🔗

Pandemic Logic:

As long as you’re saying something nice it’s ok if it’s a lie.

If you’re stating facts that aren’t nice to hear then it’s dangerous.

364148 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #940 of 2062 🔗

Great observation, but this has been true of our society for as long as I can remember. The only difference now is that this mentality is governing everything.

364090 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 11, #941 of 2062 🔗

copied and pasted this post from Londi from late yesterday, its interesting how death rates with covid in Gib have shot up shortly after the elderly frail were given the pfizer vaccine… could this explain the January spike being predicted by Mayo?

Gibraltar is reporting an absolutely massive spike in “Covid deaths”. Nine more deaths today in a jurisdiction with only 32,000 people. That’s 20% of all 43 “Covid deaths” in Gibraltar since the start of the epidemic, in just one day. And most of those deaths within the last week.
What happened this week?
Last Sunday, 10th January, an RAF A400M military transport aircraft landed at Gibraltar’s tiny airport with nearly 6,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine. This is the vaccine that has to be kept at an incredibly low temperature. Dry ice was used in the aircraft to maintain the -70C temperature, and the vaccines were quickly used before they spoiled. Most, if not all, of the deaths are in the groups who were targeted for vaccination. (Elderly and Gibraltar Health Authority workers.)
See Gibraltar Chronicle here:
https://www.chronicle.gi/devastating-weekend-as-gibraltar-loses-13-people-in-two-days-to-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR0-ONAgJiZTKkSGKhhlihXTaJQO8xRJXqQ6SJ4FpUWBvgtN-Okgetqu7Rk

364121 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Major Panic, 6, #942 of 2062 🔗

One wonders; Is nearly every country in the world going to deny this casual genocidal culling?

364254 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Kevin 2, #943 of 2062 🔗

Yes.

364271 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Major Panic, 1, #944 of 2062 🔗

..Criminal Correlation Between Vaccine Roll-Out & ‘COVID Deaths’

https://www.thebernician.net/criminal-correlation-between-vaxxtermination-roll-out-covid-deaths/

364102 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #945 of 2062 🔗

Somebody needs to inform Neil O’Brien about this article. Apparently the life of somebody close to death is not worthy enough to give them a vaccine.

Disgracefully, the chief clinical officer is suggesting that a “careful individual assessment” is carried out. Why would this be needed if all lives have equal value?

Vaccine should not be given to people close to death, says HSE Doctors are told to carry out a ‘careful assessment’ on whether to give jab to very frail patients
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/vaccine-should-not-be-given-to-people-close-to-death-says-hse-1.4461134?localLinksEnabled=false

364128 ▶▶ mj, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #946 of 2062 🔗

isnt this the same argument about quality of life and cost benefit that Sumption made and which the media & medical spokespersons are lambasting him about ?

364172 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mj, 3, #947 of 2062 🔗

Indeed. And shows exactly the point made by many here today. They simply deploy an argument to suit their allegiance and will flip flop on issues as required

364105 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 7, #948 of 2062 🔗

We often find ourselves in discussion with non.sceptics who take the line that SD and masking are necessary to save lives.

I recommend that we hoist them on their own petard by explaining that if SD and masking do work, then by doing so they actually increase the ultimate numbers of those who die.

If we take this line then we don’t get caught up in arguments about whether masks ‘work’ etc.

“Blanket social distancing and the closure of schools may have cost more lives than if herd immunity had been allowed to build up in the young, a University of Edinburgh study found.

In a study published in the British Medical Journal, Edinburgh University predicted that over the entire course of the epidemic keeping children out of classroms would increase deaths by between 80 000 and 95 000. Likwise, social distancing of everyone, rather tha just the over-70s, could cost between 149 000 and 178 000 lives.

Experts said the virus was able to spread faser to vulnerable people once lockdown measures were introduced than if some level of immunity had been allowed to build up in the young”

https://m.facebook.com/concernedontariodoctors/photos/a.723508891116553/2076096845857744/?type=3&source=48

364109 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 1, #949 of 2062 🔗

do you have a link to the BMJ article please?

364108 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 4, #950 of 2062 🔗

Excellent and powerful documentary on YT (at the moment…).
Covers many of the bases, including a gentle intro to the WEF and the Fourth Industrial Revolution. Would be an excellent link to send in the direction of any sheepish acqaintance with redeemable potential.
May well have been posted here before, but no harm in further exposure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0cbIzJy-R0

364178 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #951 of 2062 🔗

Already removed from YouTube

364193 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #952 of 2062 🔗

Ye Gods. It was there when I posted.
Feeling responsible now…

364340 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Kevin 2, #953 of 2062 🔗

I was able to watch it right after I read Your comment. As a rule of thumb: if there is something important, don’t watch it, but instead use JDownloader and get it downloaded swiftly before it disappears. Unfortunately though, today I did not do that – only watched it on lowest quality. Antel is throttling my connection badly.

364283 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Schrodinger, #954 of 2062 🔗

The collaborators are here on this board
Anything you post that isn’t Bitchute/Gab will get flagged

364533 ▶▶▶▶ Dominic12, replying to Crystal Decanter, #955 of 2062 🔗

This conversation has reminded me of another forum I went to pre-covid. They had a fairly strict policy of not allowing direct links to YouTube or Vimeo pages as the companies and/or posters could identify the source of the click and they became much more likely to remove the content. It seems to me extremely likely that YouTube identify which videos are being watched from links clicked here and those videos can therefore easily be subject to investigation and removal. I suggest that there should be a small change to each link which prevents it from being clicked. It can be copied and pasted with the small change to the address being manually corrected. This site will no longer be identified as the source.

364115 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 43, #956 of 2062 🔗

Walked into the Newsagent this morning,to be greeted by Winston Churchill’s speech “The Few” on the radio,turns out it was the retarded J Vine spewing out BBC propaganda and asking Should we hold NHS staff in the same reverence as the British RAF fighter pilot’s.. for Fucks sake there’s no comparison fucking insult to real British heroes,if NHS staff had been flying Spitfires Hitler would have won the War in less than a day.. Went over to the owner of the shop had a word in his ear needless to say no more BBC shit on the radio..

364122 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #957 of 2062 🔗

Armstrong and Miller imagined this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK33sl64YNw

364177 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #958 of 2062 🔗

very funny

364125 ▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #959 of 2062 🔗

Cunts gonna cunt.

364137 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #960 of 2062 🔗

Spitfire pilots had to get off the ground in 2 minutes. How the fuck do you a dance and upload it to tik-tok in that time?

364141 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to steve_w, 7, #961 of 2062 🔗

NHS clown’s couldn’t get of the ground in two hours let alone two minutes..

364247 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #962 of 2062 🔗

I’m a clinician who has fought hard, and maintained, face to face clinics all the way through from the first lockdown. Half my new patients are on a 2 week wait cancer pathway, and this has been maintained too. So have the investigations they need, MRI etc. I’m not expecting any medals as that’s what every single NHS worker should have been doing, though it has been tough to swim against the tide.
However, I’m going to start asking a new question as part of my assessment – “Are you one of the clowns who think it’s clever to generally diss the NHS on LS without knowing very much at all about what is really happening within it, apart from some jolly anecdotes on a par with a Holby City episode, and a few tiktoks filmed in Italy?
And then I’ll decide how many QALY’s you’re worth.
We don’t like it when our opponents generalise and call us covid deniers, maybe stop generalising about the whole NHS, and target the opprobrium to where it’s needed, i.e. central government, high level management, and a few TV doctors?

364262 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to TJS123, 5, #963 of 2062 🔗

Point taken. The problem is with NHS management, or lack of it, but of course they are insulated from the general public. It’s the front line doctors who bear the brunt of the criticism because they are the ones face to face with patients. The NHS management should really be held to account but I don’t know how we do it.

365293 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #964 of 2062 🔗

Exactly – whether it’s NHS management or government, they’re largely insulated from the massive human cost of their policies, and I don’t know how we can change any of it except by chipping away day by day with a different message.

364325 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJS123, 9, #965 of 2062 🔗

Someone who jokes, or makes a point, using ‘… then I’ll decide how many QALY’s you’re worth.’ deserves their share of the opprobrium imho.

364938 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JohnB, 3, #966 of 2062 🔗

Sorry, yes I agree. If you can’t understand that we are complaining about those in the NHS who are doing TikToks instead of their job, those who are abusing us, then you need to be more discriminating in your comments.

I myself have nothing but praise for the surgery carried out on the NHS, but doctors should expose and remove anyone and any procedure within the NHS that attempts to prevent the use of IV VitC, high-dose VitD, HCQ and Ivermectin.

365292 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to JohnB, #967 of 2062 🔗

No humour allowed on this site then? Sorry, I didn’t know that was the rule.

364588 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to TJS123, 6, #968 of 2062 🔗

Oh and you can’t see why people get upset! I’m not a hero but let me get some virtue signalling in. And if you are dying we won’t help you because you were mean to me. So we should applaud you because…. you have been doing the job you have been trained to do, and get paid to do. Was your job ever at risk? If I get cancer I would rather die than be judged by a sanctimonious dick like you. Everybody on here is 100% aware of who is to blame in the NHS, but if you can’t accept the deaths caused by policies the NHS adopted then you are probably in the wrong place and perhaps need to stay with the bbc.

364725 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TJS123, 1, #969 of 2062 🔗

Always good to hear a different perspective. The final paragraph of your post appears to concede that there have indeed been problems, as does your comment about swimming against the tide. Certainly the stories about missed non-covid treatment have been horrific. Do you think such stories are a fair reflection of what’s been going on?

A couple of further questions if I may. Are NHS staff effectively under gagging orders, and forbidden from going public (as has often been said/reported)? And if things were going wrong shouldn’t more NHS staff come out and said so, and to hell with the consequences?

Genuine questions – I just interested to get to a fair picture. For my part, I make a distinction between the ‘NHS’, as an organisation, and a good proportion of the people who work there.

365288 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to TJN, 1, #970 of 2062 🔗

Thanks TJN, you’ve got the picture, and apologies to those of you who missed the sarcasm and the Sumption reference! I, and others, have been called selfish by managers for wanting our outpatient clinics to continue, and I think this is because any questioning of the plans put in place for the ‘covid service’ are unwelcome as they rock the boat. There is a focus on covid to the exclusion of everything else, and the question for most of us is, how are our patients best served. If we all speak out and are suspended, or sacked or whatever, then there will be no care at all for non covid patients. In specialist areas where there are perhaps just one or two people dealing with a particular condition, that means a whole cohort of patients will be left untreated, and potentially die. You’ll be aware of the general shortage of doctors and nurses and it’s a balancing act to work out how to cause the least harm and keep services going.

My view is that if sceptics opt out and leave the NHS, there will be nobody to raise concerns within the organisations, so we are best to remain and try to change the “direction of travel” which is a favourite management-speak phrase. If every day I can put a bit of doubt about the covid agenda into the minds of the nurses, porters, managers etc then that’s surely a good thing. It’s very easy to say we should speak out and “to hell with the consequences”. How many of us, not just in the NHS, really and truly would make ourselves unemployed, lose our houses and be unable to feed our families over this issue?

Re gagging orders – it is in most contracts that you must not “bring the Trust into disrepute” and this is a disciplinary matter. Also, any dealings with the press have to be through the Communications Team, and staff again will be disciplined if they speak to the press.

Yes, the stories about missed treatments etc are perhaps an under reflection of the real situation.I see and hear day by day the effect of lockdown on cancer diagnoses, stillbirths, diabetic leg amputations, suicides, etc etc and the low mood in the majority of patients is palpable. The problem is firstly the ramped up fear, and a poor perception of risk which prevents people seeking help, and the difficulty for GP’s of assessing patients by phone rather than seeing them. I spoke to a very scared patient in his 40’s the other day who was convinced that if he was to get covid, he would have a 75% chance of dying from it. Nothing would shake that belief as he’s “heard it on the news”.

A good proportion of the NHS is good, but there are some stunning examples of an ignorant and vocal minority which sadly causes some people to have a rather jaundiced view of the whole system. But we on LS look at facts and not generalisations I hope!

365451 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TJS123, #971 of 2062 🔗

Many thanks TJS. As I say, it’s always good to get an inside perspective. Your post confirms me in my view that there’s a difference between the ‘NHS’ and a good proportion of the people who work there. Back in February, when none of us really knew how bad covid was going to be, I understand there was no shortage of NHS staff who were volunteering to work on covid wards. You have to admire people who run towards danger to help others.

Your post also confirms me in my steadily growing opinion that the ‘NHS’ as an organisation is in urgent need of sorting out – how, I’m not sure yet, but probably by being broken up into smaller parts and in time, when the time is right, by giving more management responsibility to clinicians.

I know it’s easy for people like me to say that staff should speak out and to hell with the consequences. And yet if I were there, seeing what was going on and the suffering entailed, I don’t think I could keep quiet. Surely some staff nearing retirement or thinking of leaving anyway could break ranks? Nevertheless, I can also see the point of view of people who want to instigate change from within, from where they think they can probably do more good than making martyrs of themselves.

I do find the implication in your post that the management would sack dissenters who went public notwithstanding the concomitant patient suffering quite chilling.

Incidentally, I think comparisons between WW2 Spitfire pilots and NHS staff are always going to be unhelpful and even invite attack and ridicule.

Don’t know if you’ll see this post now, but once again thanks for the inside view. As sceptics we should want to get at the truth, and see through the propaganda that is circling on all sides of the arguments now.

364143 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #972 of 2062 🔗

Dire stuff of course but the irony is we’re doing the exact opposite. We’re sacrificing the many for the few.

364147 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Achilles, 8, #973 of 2062 🔗

Possibly so, but not even the advertised few. They also are being sacrificed.

364149 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Achilles, 7, #974 of 2062 🔗

Bang on with that comment time to rewrite Churchill’s speech THE MANY.

364163 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Achilles, 9, #975 of 2062 🔗

Isint that the plan? the few being the Mega rich, and the many being the ones messing up their planet. Despite being a massive lie as the mega rich use up the resources at an alarming rate compared to the plebs.

364189 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #976 of 2062 🔗

No , same thing. I’m sure my wifes grandfather who was in the RAF as mechanic/radio man in a Lancaster bomber with over 20 mission over Europe would agree. I mean compared to the hard work that goes into a tik-tok video holding somebody intestines’ in while next to you lies a friend who does not have a head is a piece of cake. The people who got us a our freedoms arr turning in their graves and would be spitting on us on the street for rolling over. And they would have the right to do so! And Captain Tom was turned into a puppet for the propaganda machine. Dear God, The Horror, The Horror!

364364 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #977 of 2062 🔗

Bang on my friend.

364195 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #978 of 2062 🔗

Think of the formation flying though!

364362 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #979 of 2062 🔗

NHS red arrows display team fuck the mind boggles.

364116 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 12, #980 of 2062 🔗

Observed on my walk about today,- Double Masking, plumbing new levels of lunacy?..

364158 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to yohodi, 8, #981 of 2062 🔗

I’ve been researching masks for DIY purposes. All of the standard masks people wear are useless at excluding dust. How can they possibly work on viruses?
Double masking = Double Pneumonia.

364214 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #982 of 2062 🔗

I would only use a P3 mask if I was doing anything DIY involving MDF or particle board they filter down to 0.3 microns P2 is only 3 microns. God knows what crappy DIY masks are rated at. Virus approx 0.1 micron.

364248 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #983 of 2062 🔗

I’m going to get a P3. Probably don’t need it for what I’m doing but it will cover all bases. Dust bothers me far more than viruses.

364119 Nottheonly1, 14, #984 of 2062 🔗

2+2=5, isn’t it?

Although there are by now enough pieces of the puzzle in place – the mind refuses to accept the appearing picture. Because it cannot be, what not ought to be. But it is. Everything that is unfolding now has been planned for a very long time. As the notion by Roosevelt makes the rounds now:

“In politics, nothing happens by accident.”

While there are answers to any and all questions in time, it must be emphasized that actively pursuing these answers is now essential to avert more suffering nad pain. Suffering and pain that has been in the planning for decades now. Sure, gullibility has a lot to do with the fact, that legislatives were allowed for the longest time to do as their corporate sponsors demanded. ‘Voted’ in by the populations – answering only to their corporate masters.

These corporate masters have everything under control. Important to repeat.

These corporate masters have everything under control.

This issue of the latest news contains a few examples that make that undeniably clear:

The reports of declining mental health of the future grown ups and their increasing addiction to the digital trappings must be seen in conjunction with the now incessant censoring by the corporate masters. Children spending an exorbitant amount of time on the internet will now also be exposed to a manipulated ‘reality’, a fake ‘reality’ that serves as predictive programming for what is to come. Children that use wikipedia will be exposed to fabricated ‘realities’ that have nothing to do with the truth. How many times are these children/students advised to resort to wikipedia for information? Sure, denial is one option, but it never leads to real success – success here being a sound mind operating under sense. Wikipedia was created to manipulate the minds of the maleable parts of the populations – the younger, the more maleable.

All the major social media platforms utilized by children in lockdowns are now rabidly censored with impunity. The corporate masters were behind 9-11 as they were and are behind every terrorist attack, illegal wars for profit, color revolutions, refugee flows, the cutting off of rain forests, the poisoning of the air and water, the artificially created divide between equally suffering factions of populations and most notably the removal of empathy from the minds of a people that never understood that it is the same empathy that holds the key to bring about an end to the fascist corporate dictatorship that is now in its final implementation stage. The ham theater play at the capitol – served as the ultimate tool to incapacitate populations the world over. What happens in the U.S. will soon be happening everywhere else. There are thousands of U.S. military bases all over the planet – providing bases for agents to stir up civil unrest in order to allow aligned regimes to implement the same draconian measures to incapacitate their populations.

Of course it is all way too much to be able to be digested by an already utterly distressed population – which has been the plan all along. Overwhelm the populations with inescapable measures to incapacitate them and remove any and all protections there might ever been. With Julian Assange being illegally detained and worth nothing – the German fascist regime is foaming at the mouth that a criminal Russian that was not poisoned as they propagandized, has been detained at arrival. Fascist regimes like the German are doing everything to bring the population to the breaking point. There has never been a higher suicide rate among young people as under the fake pandemic.

If there are still not enough puzzle pieces for the majorities of people the world over to see where that train is heading to, then there is indeed no more hope for recourse. No more hope to make it to homo sapiens sapiens. The digital dictatorship that has all the rabid executive and military at its disposal will not hesitate a blink to make use of it. The images of anti-lockdown protests in Amsterdam, the UK, Germany, Poland et al with their ruthless suppression by the regime handlers are indistiguishable from the violent dispersion by the Guatemaltecan military of the refugee caravan from Honduras.

The corporate masters have installed fascist dictators all over Central and South America with only two exceptions. And those two nations are still not out of the cross hairs of the corporate overlords.

People must now understand that tere is only one way to save humanity:

The deconstruction of the power pyramid from the top down.

Any and all attempts to bring about change from the bottom up has failed over the last thousands of years. This is humanity’s last chance for a world that is worth living – as long as it is still liveable.

364126 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #985 of 2062 🔗

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3588

Effect of school closures on mortality from coronavirus disease 2019: old and new predictions
“Similarly, general social distancing was also projected to reduce the number of cases but increase the total number of deaths compared with social distancing of over 70s only. We note that in assessing the impact of school closures, UK policy advice has concentrated on reducing total number of cases and not the number of deaths”

364139 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 7, #986 of 2062 🔗

Yes – and we can extrapolate that finding about school closures to blanket SD of all non-vulnerable groups.

SD and masks cost lives!

Spread the word.

364157 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to rockoman, 2, #987 of 2062 🔗

Indeed, though even btl here we are told that masks, distancing and lockdown are necessary – at least this time because it’s different – and those who disagree are purists, zealots, extreme.

364173 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 2, #988 of 2062 🔗

makes me wonder why they are doing lockdown. when advisor number 1’s own model says it increases covid deaths – let alone lockdown deaths

i don’t believe in conspiracies – but my god they make it hard

364144 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 2, #989 of 2062 🔗

Supports other studies. Even pre Covid the WHO advised that schools should only be closed at the real acceleration stage of an epidemic. The reasoning being that it only softens the strain on health services temporarily, the death burden will be the same.

364155 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #990 of 2062 🔗

I’ve also read elsewhere that lockdown negatively impact the immune system.
There are studies showing how humans as a social animal have healthier immune systems when normal social contact and bacterial/ viral transfer takes place.

364224 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #991 of 2062 🔗

all the work from homo’s are about to get rekt as there immune systems will barely be able to deal with a rhinovirus let alone one of the corona’s.
All rounded up into the covid stats naturally

364186 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #992 of 2062 🔗

Just been informed that if no home schooling work is uploaded on a daily basis then our school will log it as an unauthorised absence.

364205 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 6, #993 of 2062 🔗

That is beyond absurd. The school is closed. Yet the school are marking children as absent. A procedure which can result in the parents being fined. Indeed, it could even result in children being taken into care. This is up there with the madness of even the most totalitarian regimes the world has ever seen.

364316 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 2, #994 of 2062 🔗

Tonight’s homework is creating a program to perform daily uploads to the school. 🙂

364221 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #995 of 2062 🔗

bbc have started their “lockdown learning” programmes on BBC2 today. “educational resources designed to help children keep up with their studies”.
just flicked on and it the usual trivial documentaries the BBC4 often puts on .

364146 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 2, #996 of 2062 🔗

See you found the link.

I am looking for a link to research from about 12 years ago showing that where one subset of the population is particularly vulnerable, as currently, then slowing the spread of disease always increases the ultimate total number of deaths.

So, this knowledge has been around for a while,

364168 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 2, #997 of 2062 🔗

yes, thanks for the pointer – I’m surprised this hasn’t got more coverage.

Ferguson says lock down – his own model says this will increase overall deaths

364166 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 8, #998 of 2062 🔗

What I like about this approach is that we do not waste time and energy with covidians arguing about whether lockdowns, masks and SD work.

Rather, we are saying that even if they do work, then they lead to greater mortality.

A logic trap the covidian cannot escape. 😉

364234 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to rockoman, 1, #999 of 2062 🔗

Exactly as Vallance warned would be the case in the spring.

364191 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #1000 of 2062 🔗

If the above paper is true, the only reason behind lockdown is to lockdown until there is a vaccine. If you lockdown then you always get more deaths in the long run because the young aren’t getting the immunity to protect the old. Their entire approach depends on the vaccine.

ie from their point of view

1 – lockdown 1 was to stop NHS being overwhelmed

2 – all restrictions from Autumn until now are about waiting for the vaccine roll-out (Tim Spector suspected this and was against it)

They must be preying the vaccine is as good as the marketing claims.

364235 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 2, #1001 of 2062 🔗

If the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission then the whole exercise is a waste of time and will end up killing more people.

364280 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, 1, #1002 of 2062 🔗

yes. if the vaccine just decreases symptoms without reducing infectivity, it’s just increasing the asymptomatic spread problem they’ve all been bleating about

364162 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 14, #1003 of 2062 🔗
364215 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to The Covid Kid, 3, #1004 of 2062 🔗

misdirection

364226 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 2, #1005 of 2062 🔗

is it westlife ??? oh no……its pond life

364227 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to mj, 2, #1006 of 2062 🔗

no – its JLS ——– Join Lockdown Sceptics

364167 mikewaite, #1007 of 2062 🔗

Further to my earlier post referring to a 2011 paper on herd immunity and the role of vaccination , I looked at one of the citing articles , from 2015 (free access:)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21604922/
Vaccine herd effect Tae Hyong Kim 1 , Jennie Johnstone , Mark Loeb

Abstract:
Vaccination ideally protects susceptible populations at high risk for complications of the infection. However, vaccines for these subgroups do not always provide sufficient effectiveness. The herd effect or herd immunity is an attractive way to extend vaccine benefits beyond the directly targeted population. It refers to the indirect protection of unvaccinated persons, whereby an increase in the prevalence of immunity by the vaccine prevents circulation of infectious agents in susceptible populations. The herd effect has had a major impact in the eradication of smallpox, has reduced transmission of pertussis, and protects against influenza and pneumococcal disease. A high uptake of vaccines is generally needed for success. In this paper we aim to provide an update review on the herd effect, focusing on the clinical benefit, by reviewing data for specific vaccines.

Deals with various diseases , but in the case of influenza , some points of interest:

Herd effects in influenza vaccination Seasonal influenza is a major cause of mortality resulting in an estimated 36,000 deaths annually in the USA alone [ 24 ]. The annual vaccination policy against seasonal influenza in most countries has been focused on protecting groups at high risk for complications of influenza, including the elderly, pregnant women, young children, and individuals with chronic diseases.

Goes on to discuss the greater benefits of vaccinating children rather than the vunerable adults (but of course one would not do that in the case of covid with an experimntal vaccine).

Finally a clash of real life (and death) with modelling studies

The Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America recently released a statement that influenza vaccination of healthcare personnel is a core patient and healthcare personnel safety practice [ 34 ]. Whether vaccination of healthcare personnel can lead to a herd effect reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza among patients is still inconclusive. Pooled data from a Cochrane review of 3 cluster randomized controlled trials showed no reduction of laboratory-confirmed influenza (OR 0.86, 95% CI 0.44–1.68; p = 0.66), lower respiratory tract infections, admission to hospital (OR 0.89, 95% CI 0.75–1.06), and deaths from pneumonia (OR 0.82, 95% CI 0.45–1.49) in patients when healthcare personnel were vaccinated [ 35 ]. However, given that mathematical models suggest a herd effect [ 36 ], more rigorous studies need to be conducted. :

364170 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 21, #1008 of 2062 🔗

Unmasked in the DIY store, I got a smile from an unmasked assistant today, then at the check out another unmasked assistant faffed around trying to find a bar code and chatted to me, about various things while the queue of the masked got longer, and I was wondering what they think about as they stood there, muzzled, maybe wondering how on earth I was still alive, unmasked.

364194 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1009 of 2062 🔗

Just been to Aldi to get a weeks worth of lunches and was thinking the same thing. Only me without a mask in shop but all staff friendly.

364203 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1010 of 2062 🔗

They think your a heathen of the COVID gods worthy of being burned at the stake.

364171 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 5, #1011 of 2062 🔗

Top ten comments on this daily mail article are very concerning, as are the replies. If this is truly what the people think then the propagadists have won.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9158827/Moment-police-eject-woman-Sainsburys-refuses-wear-mask.html#comments

364176 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to this is my username, 9, #1012 of 2062 🔗

The DM seem to have a lot of paid bots, they get very similar replies on for a lot of the articles.

364198 ▶▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to DanClarke, 20, #1013 of 2062 🔗

Yes, the DM comments section is suffering from a concerted shitposting operation as a number of folk have documented here, and as someone else pointed out, it seems that it is concentrated on one or two specific articles. The remainder of articles have a majority of very sceptical comments with a high number of upvotes.

I get the feeling that there may be a larger percentage of sceptics than we realise, but there is a huge, multi-billion dollar perception management campaign underway to obfuscate the truth and silence voices.

This is an information war – a war against your mind. Prepare accordingly.

364218 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, 4, #1014 of 2062 🔗

I have noticed this pattern with other newspaper comments sections – in different countries.

364288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to rockoman, 1, #1015 of 2062 🔗

It wouldn’t surprise me. The weapons-grade online psychological manipulation tools developed by the US and NATO for use in active operations are now available to private customers following the US DoD contracting out much of their psyop work, so the likelyhood that this happening is very high, either by the hand of government or wealthy corporation.

Emma Briant of Essex University does some great research in this area. This paper is worth a read to understand the scope and central importance of psyops:

http://repository.essex.ac.uk/21204/1/final%20proofs%20-%20accepted%20-%20corrected%20errors%20Dec.pdf

364237 ▶▶ mj, replying to this is my username, 7, #1016 of 2062 🔗

what is more concerning is again a video showing that the police do not understand the government guidelines and neither does the Mail reporter … or else they do know and are deliberately ignoring them

364612 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to this is my username, 1, #1017 of 2062 🔗

Its amazing how all the responses are front stacked. Like people are waiting to jump on the narrative. Mmmmm! Surely not. Look at most online sites and you get a mixed bag. Anything promoting good covid behaviour or decrying bad covid behaviour always gets jumped on. If you go to page 4 or 5 its always more balanced. Strange!

364180 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 15, #1018 of 2062 🔗

I’m just wondering what the turnkeys will have to use as a get out of jail free card when the magic jab one starts to go wrong. They’ve already lost the population and they know we’re only behaving because we can hold our breath long enough. We think. There’s nothing in the cupboard after that. The coppers have had enough – I know one. They have no group wish to take on a David & Goliath role. So what do they do – the politicians? I dread to think.

364197 ▶▶ Sara, replying to James Leary #KBF, 10, #1019 of 2062 🔗

I was just thinking who my heroes of 2020 were. They include the brave people who went on the November protest march in London, knowing that there was going to be an intimidating police presence. But I also thought that there must be some hidden heroes in the police force who are doing their best to minimise the application of bad laws.

364201 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Sara, 2, #1020 of 2062 🔗

There not working in the TSG that’s for sure.

364217 ▶▶ Jo, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #1021 of 2062 🔗

I was just talking about this earlier today with a friend. I too believe that the vaccine is going to go wrong to the extent it will not be possible to cover up the harm and then people won’t want to take it. Most older people I know want it at the moment.
I can’t imagine what the Govt will then do – how many new variants can they throw at us before people stop believing it? It is difficult to guess but no doubt it will be awful.

364278 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #1022 of 2062 🔗

Just like the “kids in cages” during the Obama/Biden term the media will simply not report it

364181 Nissan Gnat, replying to Nissan Gnat, 13, #1023 of 2062 🔗

Ref Care Home workers and vaccine – our friend is a care home worker, contracted COVID during April (few days in bed with very bad flu like symptoms) – she’s tested pretty much weekly and reports significant % of colleagues opposed to vaccine. Her view is she has immunity so better to give the vaccine to someone more in need – can’t argue with that logic

364208 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Nissan Gnat, 4, #1024 of 2062 🔗

Ivor Cummins posted an article from Irish Times about their policy on vaccine in light of Norway deaths. Interestingly, as well as recommending people “near end of life” aren’t given vaccine (for god’s sake, why would you?), the health minister also says that people who are within 4 weeks of positive Covid test shouldn’t be vaccinated.

364184 Andrew K, 3, #1025 of 2062 🔗

https://stop5g.cz/us/5g-60ghz-wireless-network-oxygen-absorption-unable-to-breath/

Interesting stuff but I need to find a pre 2020 scientific publication that shows this to be true. Great source of info on Covid and 5G

EDIt: Looks like the key frequency is 60.42Ghz

364192 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 27, #1026 of 2062 🔗

Watching the hysterical pearl-clutching over Lord Sumption’s remarks makes me think of an exercise I had to do as part of a job induction a few years ago. It was a team discussion along the line of who would we save first in an emergency (I think the scenario may have been a plane going down and a limited number of parachutes, something like that). Everyone made a case for themselves, but when it came to my turn I simply said that as one of the team was the mother of two young children and was of an age where she could have more she should get the parachute.

You’d think I’d just said what a great man Hitler was, one person actually started crying. I didn’t last long in that job I’m pleased to say.

364216 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1027 of 2062 🔗

Remember when our culture paid lip-service at least to “women and children first”?

Yet they would have you believe we are “better”, now….

364241 ▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1028 of 2062 🔗

Amazing isn’t it.

Unrelated, mostly, but since you mention Hitler – I once upset a group of people by saying Hitler made some good observations, specifically:

“The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it.”

They were unable make a distinction between the veracity of an argument and its source, and took me as an apologist for the Fuhrer. An all too common case of employing emotion where reason is required. Needless to say our association ended on the spot.

No wonder media mind control is so effective, their audience have no defence against having their buttons pushed every single day.

364257 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, 3, #1029 of 2062 🔗

Absolutely right.

364200 james007, replying to james007, 31, #1030 of 2062 🔗

Bit frustrated with conservatives claiming they have mixed feelings on Johnson, because after all, he did ‘get brexit done’.
It’s rather like a child harassing teachers, letting car tyres down in the car park, bulling other children, before finally burning the school down. You don’t say, ‘but after all, his Geography coursework was very well written’.

Given everything, from Huwawi, HS2, false promises on everything from taxation to the BBC, massive state power grabs, and of course (and above all) lockdowns – I feel very differently. For me it is personal. I supported the party, voting in many elections, giving donations and being a member. I feel rather like I have been conned for so long, deluded, like the victim of some vast scam. Johnson and his politburo represent everything wrong with this appaling party.

364212 ▶▶ Mark, replying to james007, 4, #1031 of 2062 🔗

Combination of misplaced (deluded, actually) loyalty, authoritarian Leader-worship and propaganda-based fear.

364213 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to james007, 4, #1032 of 2062 🔗

Alex is no conservative
not even close

364250 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to james007, 6, #1033 of 2062 🔗

Never vote conservative or labour (collaborated by non opposing anything) again!!

364253 ▶▶ Julian, replying to james007, 4, #1034 of 2062 🔗

I know some who still defend him but oppose lockdown, claim he didn’t have a choice

Those people make me very cross

364274 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to james007, 6, #1035 of 2062 🔗

A typical conservative attitude is to get stuck in to get the job done no matter how hard and to keep going. I’ve tried that and after 45 years of membership I’m done. I have only my vote to withold from them left.

364383 ▶▶▶ james007, replying to frankfrankly, 2, #1036 of 2062 🔗

If the Conservative Party ever promises to do anything conservative, they will first hold and ‘independent review’, which will conclude it is not the right thing to do, therefore don’t to it… then back to NHS worship

364204 Mark, replying to Mark, 27, #1037 of 2062 🔗

How did we as a culture end up in a place where freedom to move around, to meet people, and to hold and express opinions are all viewed as privileges to be suppressed at need, but a supposed freedom to change fundamental reality by “self-identification” is treated as inalienable?

364222 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Mark, 2, #1038 of 2062 🔗

Because we have slipped through the looking glass

364228 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 3, #1039 of 2062 🔗

Idiots as politicians? Common Purpose Sheep as politicians?

364236 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1040 of 2062 🔗

It’s a lot wider than the political class. Politicians by and large are professional liars who tailor their opinions to those that will win them power. Certainly the successful ones do that – our system very strongly selects for those who are good at that kind of lying. We (collectively) get the politicians we deserve

364402 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Mark, 4, #1041 of 2062 🔗

I just listened to James Delingpole and Laura Perrins and I thought she summed it up well: “The government has criminalized being human.” She was referring to things like being told not to stop and chat when out and about. But it did strike me that, yes, they are indeed criminalizing natural and automatic behaviours that define what it is to be human.

364206 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1042 of 2062 🔗

Israel was being held up as the bell weather for the vaccine roll out.

“Ethical concerns raised as Israel to give Pfizer medical data Israel’s decision to trade Pfizer doses for medical data criticised for possible privacy violations and a deepening of the global vaccine divide.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/18/israel-trades-pfizer-doses-for-medical-data-in-vaccine-blitz

364220 ▶▶ Jo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1043 of 2062 🔗

Thai president stated he did not want Thais used as guinea pigs for the vaccine – sorry, lost the article, but he suggested they will not start vaccination prog until June, and want to ensure it is safe.

364232 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1044 of 2062 🔗

Do they know for definite the vaccines aren’t full of porky products?

364207 JHUNTZ, 13, #1045 of 2062 🔗

You can just sense the fear out there particularly in the shops. No laughter no joy just anxiety and worry. What a way to live.

364211 isobar, replying to isobar, 7, #1046 of 2062 🔗

DM stirring it up again on Sumption. However he is getting a lot of support in the comments section. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9159119/Lord-Sumption-suggests-NHS-doctors-choose-save-25-year-old-Captain-Tom.html

364225 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to isobar, 3, #1047 of 2062 🔗

Piers Morgan and DM hypochondria. A toxic combination.

364229 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #1048 of 2062 🔗

The irony of Piers Morgan claiming all lives have equal value seems to have been lost by some.

He’s the guy in Titanic who’d force his way onto a lifeboat in front of the women and children.

NB the old “women and children first” is not a value judgement. It’s just being nice.

364246 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #1049 of 2062 🔗

Piers Morgan demanded that the government cancel Christmas immediately prior to jetting off to Antigua for his Christmas holiday.

364256 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to isobar, 9, #1050 of 2062 🔗

Morgan getting a kicking in the comments.

364259 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1051 of 2062 🔗

Hopefully where it hurts!

364385 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to isobar, 4, #1052 of 2062 🔗

The fact that Piers Morgan then claimed that the old man he was hypothetically talking about was ‘Sir Captain Tom’ is completely laughable. The implication of this argument is that celebrities’ lives are more valuable than those of the general public. This is a serious problem with the internet-social media culture that mires our society.

As my bf has just pointed out, imagine saying to the 25-year-old, ‘Sorry, you’re not famous’ and unplugging his life support.

364219 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1053 of 2062 🔗

Hacked emails show that the European Medicines Agency was put political pressure to grant approval for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. https://www.rt.com/news/512844-eu-approval-pressure-pfizer-covid-vaccine/

364230 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1054 of 2062 🔗

Whereas the MHRA required no pressure at all to allow its members to reap the financial rewards to mass vaccination in this country.

364332 ▶▶▶ tarfu, replying to Jo, 4, #1055 of 2062 🔗

I attach a screenshot from the MHRA website boasting funding from Billy and Mel. I know it’s 3 years old, but do they still get funding from the Gates Foundation? No smoke without fire springs to mind.

364240 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1056 of 2062 🔗

Here’s the EMA document:

https://1drv.ms/b/s!Agv7JEO8MngCilGChNyzzU2yjA2S?e=4rQ2FT

Reading it I would not have given any approval and I’m only reasonably intelligent and can read long words, check a dictionary about any word I can’t understand and so on so why the “experts” are so stupid I have no idea.

364242 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1057 of 2062 🔗

It does say in it there are probems to be addressed a few times.

364251 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1058 of 2062 🔗

“Experts” may display stupidity, but it often seems more like selfishness, cowardice, political or financial interests, saving their reputations, plain wickedness

364304 ▶▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1059 of 2062 🔗

why the “experts” are so stupid I have no idea.”

Because everyone has a price or a vice.

364243 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1060 of 2062 🔗

Great to have it confirmed – think all of us suspected as such. More evidence that these organisations don’t follow the science

364231 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 33, #1061 of 2062 🔗

I work for a cancer charity and have had it confirmed that several nurses in numerous cancer care teams in various hospitals have been redeployed due to Covid. It’s not news but just really angry that cancer patients are being neglected.
NHS not fit for purpose. The bloody government have fucked this up big time.

364342 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #1062 of 2062 🔗

Criminal neglect in my opinion

364233 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #1063 of 2062 🔗

PropagandaLive reports “Devi Sridhar hits out at lockdown sceptics”

This ties in to the Sumption criticsm and the increased targeted hostility towards critical views. I haven’t read the article since Sridhars opiin is worth less than a bag of puke. She has consistently spounted on matters she is not qualified to do so. She is on first name terms with Tedros Genocide.

Other USA related comment (Sridhar is an american making Scottish/British academic look like incapable)
The US capitol fortifications make it clear that the 6th jan episode was designed in part to allow such fortifications to be erected. Although tempoary they are their for good. Sirdhar is a Democrat, the Democrats are building a fortification because, I fear, what is about to be unleashed by the new givernment will be so chilling fortifications will be required. Democracy is dead.

364244 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 32, #1064 of 2062 🔗

I think the increased denunciation of sceptical views is a sign of two things, depending on who is doing the denouncing

1) They know we were/are right and are pissed off they’ve been had
2) They feel they are losing control of the narrative

Either way I feel it’s a good sign

364298 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 6, #1065 of 2062 🔗

Yep – it’s all falling apart 🙂

364249 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basics, 9, #1066 of 2062 🔗

Scotland has done worse than Sweden based on presumably her recommendations.

This looks like little more than scapegoating to me.

364319 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1067 of 2062 🔗

The rest of UK should not feel they are not ifected by Devi. She vomits into SAGE through an outlier group DELV and sits on committees that study Masked Hamsters -yes, fucking really, that was the study to flip flop into using masks across all public life.

Hamster in cage given virus. Hamster’s cage hase mask (n95?) streched across the door.
Hamster in next cage dosen’t catch virus.
Repeat. Proven. Cite.

Look it you DELV Masked Hamsters, don’t be put off by the disinformation of fact checkers and google – find the study/paper.

364422 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basics, 1, #1068 of 2062 🔗

Here it is:

https://rs-delve.github.io/reports/2020/05/04/face-masks-for-the-general-public.html

It’s total bullshit.

There also studies that used gerbils and recently a mannequin which was a bit surreal and in which the conclusion did not match what the main body of the study proved.

364266 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Basics, 3, #1069 of 2062 🔗

Like being savaged by a dead sheep.

364346 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Basics, #1070 of 2062 🔗

is she the social archaeologist?

364377 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1071 of 2062 🔗

Anthropologist. Which also has nothing whatsoever to do with medicine.

364245 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 46, #1072 of 2062 🔗

Just had a couple in the shop – they run a pub so they decided to use a bit of initative and set up a farm shop in one of their outbuildings. Seems like snitches are active in their area also and the rozzers were duly called. Cue rozzers barging into said outbuilding expecting to find a lock-in. Oh dear, I would have loved to have seen the disappointed looks on their faces when they were confronted with shelves of farm produce.

364255 ▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to kh1485, 24, #1073 of 2062 🔗

On the plus side, the local Police must have solved all of the crimes if they have so much time to waste. Might be worth mentioning TikTok to them if they’re that bored.

364263 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, 11, #1074 of 2062 🔗

Indeed. They were checking up on us on Saturday. Yet, mmm, when we have been burgled, they’re nowhere to be seen.

364320 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to kh1485, 2, #1075 of 2062 🔗

Never see them around here except in first lockdown when they went on “fisherperson” harassing duty. When burgled never heard another word from them.

364268 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, 7, #1076 of 2062 🔗

Misgender some demented troon on Twitter and they will be right there

364261 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 4, #1077 of 2062 🔗

I’ve oft wondered why the gyms don’t just set up supermarket shelves inbetween the equipment
It would work a treat

364447 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to kh1485, 8, #1078 of 2062 🔗

KH It might be useful if you kept a diary of all these events and then , in say a year’s time , publish this as a record of one shopowner’s experience of trying to survive despite the pettiness of a few local residents and the sheer malice of the police force who are clearly underwhelmed by cases of burglary, mugging , drug dealing, rape , domestic violence , etc.
Could even be a TV episode if you have videos of, for example , the police and starring, of course, the now nationally famous bench. .

364707 ▶▶ iansn, replying to kh1485, 1, #1079 of 2062 🔗

trespass, entry without a warrant etc, they need to lodge a complaint, no win no fee. If the case is good a solicitor would lap it up.

364252 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 29, #1080 of 2062 🔗

It’s a bit ironic the cancer patient being up in arms about Sumption’s comment when the reality is that it’s the government’s prioritisation of Covid which is costing cancer sufferers their lives. What is likely to kill this lady is cancer, not whether or not she is prioritised for a Covid vaccination. The bigger issue in this country are the thousands of young and middle aged cancer patients whose lives are being foreshortened unnecessarily because of the focus on preventing very elderly people dying of Covid (note: other respiratory infections are available!)

364269 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 9, #1081 of 2062 🔗

Sadly these ‘extremists’ are always planted

364287 ▶▶ RickH, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #1082 of 2062 🔗

Precisely.

364302 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 15, #1083 of 2062 🔗

There are two specific comments that have shocked me in the last few years. First, a middle-aged metropolitan woman in the Question Time audience during one of the discussions about Brexit, asking, in all seriousness, who would serve her Pret coffee if the UK left the EU. Second, near the start of the pandemic when a Labour female MP argued that the life of a 105 year-old was as important as anyone else’s life in the context of impending medical treatment. It is terribly sad for the lady with stage 4 cancer, and I have the greatest sympathy for her and her family, however, as a society if we are to survive, we really need the address the stark reality of natural biology, and hopefully Lord Sumption will be joined by other high-profile intellects to remind the wider population about the facts of life.

364337 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 13, #1084 of 2062 🔗

I recently heard from a friend- before the madness took hold- that the husband of a another friend of hers, in the end stages of dementia and in his 90s, was booked for a CT scan by an overly enthused team of medics obviously lacking common sense and judgement.

Mortality in old age is not an outrage, it is normal and natural. Despite what the death deniers and life prolongers demand, it is entirely unreasonable to expect the same access to heroic high tech interventions for all, regardless of age, morbidity and prognosis.

Who would want to kept alive while incontinent, dependent, confused and isolated?

Not me.

Our society is steadily losing all sense of proportion, demanding that every risk be removed, that death can be indefinitely deferred ,while accepting the removal of the very freedoms which give life meaning.

What a sorry state we’re in. Where are wisdom and maturity and the acceptance of limits?

364499 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to wendyk, 4, #1085 of 2062 🔗

Mortality in old age is part of the normal, healthy, and natural cycle of life.

It is also a reminder that the time given to us is the most precious thing there is.

I don’t have much sympathy for the idea that 80 and 90 year olds have decades of productive life ahead.

Thousands of years of human experience tell us this is not true.

364518 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1086 of 2062 🔗

Exactly.

364258 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #1087 of 2062 🔗

Is there anyone you would give your life for?

Because if there is then you have made a judgement that their life is of more value than yours.

“There is not a day or night but a doe offers her life for her kittens, or some honest captain of Owsla his life for his Chief Rabbit’s. Sometimes it is taken, sometimes it is not. But there is no bargain, for here, what is, is what must be.” – Richard Adams, Watership Down

364335 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Nobody2021, 10, #1088 of 2062 🔗

Exactly. I would give my life for my son, my dad would give his life for me and his grandchild. I don’t doubt Captain Tom would give his life for his grandchildren. Clearly he has already once before risked his life for others in the War. The sad thing is that most of the people jumping on this offence bandwagon have never, and would never, risk their lives for anyone. They are, however, extremely vocal in demanding the whole of society sacrifices their health, wealth and happiness for them. And they call us selfish!

364270 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 9, #1089 of 2062 🔗

“It’s suspected that the UK, South Africa and Brazil variants could be much more contagious or easy to catch than earlier versions.
All three have undergone changes to their spike protein – this is the part of the virus which attaches to human cells.
As a result, these variants seem to be better at infecting cells and spreading.
Experts think the UK or “Kent” strain emerged in September and may be up to 70% more transmissible or infectious, although latest research by Public Health England puts it between 30% and 50%. It is this variant which has driven the latest lockdowns around the UK.
The South Africa variant emerged in October, and it has more potentially important changes in the spike protein than the UK variant.
It has one of the same mutations as the UK one, plus two more that scientists think may interfere more with vaccine effectiveness. One of these may help the virus evade parts of the immune system called antibodies.
The UK has imposed a ban on direct flights from South Africa and restrictions on flights to the country. Anyone who has travelled there recently, and anyone they have been in contact with, are being told to quarantine immediately.

  • South Africa coronavirus variant: What’s the risk?

The Brazil variant emerged in July and has three key mutations in the spike protein that make it similar to the South Africa one.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55659820

 “How good is the Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid vaccine? Interim results from phase 3 trials in Britain and Brazil found the vaccine to be 70.4% protective. More than 20,000 volunteers were involved in the trials and half of those were in the UK. Investigators recorded 30 cases of Covid-19 in people who had two doses of the vaccine and 101 in those who received a control jab. In those who received two full doses, the vaccine was 62% protective. But it appears to work better when given initially as a half-dose followed by a full dose, with protection then rising to 90%.
Is it safe? The safety analysis comes from a database of 24,000 volunteers who took part in the clinical trials in the UK, Brazil and South Africa , with follow-ups since April. No serious safety events related to the vaccine have been identified, the scientists say. That will be reassuring, since the trials were paused after one volunteer in the UK fell ill . Details have not yet been released of mild side-effects, such as a sore arm or fatigue, after the jab.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/23/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-everything-we-know-so-far

Hmmm. Somewhat curious coincidence…
I discount very little these days.

364273 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1090 of 2062 🔗

So like the 200 common cold variants?
Streuth these people will never stop with their fear p0rn

364281 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1091 of 2062 🔗

Did you spot the country coincidence?

364284 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Kevin 2, 4, #1092 of 2062 🔗

Yes. As if mutations were unusual, ffs! As if under-tested vaccines were a good idea, ffs!

364272 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 71, #1093 of 2062 🔗

Pass on to zombies……….

According to the government…
If I get vaccinated:
1.- Can I stop wearing the mask?
Government Response – No
2.- Can they reopen restaurants, pubs, bars etc and everyone work normally?
Government Response – No
3.- Will I be resistant to covid?
Government Response – Maybe, but we don’t know exactly, it probably won’t stop you getting it
4.- At least I won’t be contagious to others anymore?
Government Response – No you can still pass it on, possibly, nobody knows.
5.- If we vaccinate all children, will school resume normally?
Government Response – No
6.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?
Government Response – No
7.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop disinfecting my hands?
Government Response – No
8.- If I vaccinate myself and my grandfather, can we hug each other?
Government Response – No
9.- Will cinemas, theatres and stadiums be reopened thanks to vaccines?
Government Response – No
10.- Will the vaccinated be able to gather?
Government Response – No
11.- What is the real benefit of vaccination?
Government Response – The virus won’t kill you.
12.- Are you sure it won’t kill me?
Government Response – No
13.- If statistically the virus won’t kill me anyway (99.7% survival rate) … Why would I get vaccinated?”
Government Response – To protect others.
14.- So if I get vaccinated, the others are 100% sure I’m not infecting them?
Government Response – No
15. – Can you guarantee that I won’t have adverse affects from taking the vaccine or die from the vaccine itself?
Government Response – No
So to summarise, the Covid19 vaccine…
Does not give immunity.
Does not eliminate the virus.
Does not prevent death.
Does not guarantee you won’t get it.
Does not prevent you from getting it.
Does not stop you passing it on
Does not eliminate the need for travel bans.
Does not eliminate the need for business closures.
Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns.
Does not eliminate the need for masking.
So…what the hell is it actually doing?

364315 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Ganjan21, 10, #1094 of 2062 🔗

Making loads a money for some dastardly clever controllers.

Not to mention share options, unless, of course, class actions start to spoil the party, as the inconvenient side effects take their toll on recipients.

364326 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #1095 of 2062 🔗

Kay, so, I liked this, sent it on to zombies. Just got a reply back from one, it was a simple reply –

“Don’t know.”

So I encouraged them to read on. Message comes back –

“It says no.”

~

364336 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #1096 of 2062 🔗

Fantastic post! Sending on to a couple of people I know. I particularly liked:

11.- What is the real benefit of vaccination?
Government Response – The virus won’t kill you.
12.- Are you sure it won’t kill me?
Government Response – No

364578 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Old Trout, 2, #1097 of 2062 🔗

11-14 are class.

364275 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 5, #1098 of 2062 🔗

March 20th – Freedom Day ! Meanwhile in Italy and Poland, they don`t want to wait that long..

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/15/we-need-courage-if-we-want-to-get-our-lives-back/

364347 ▶▶ stevie, replying to nickbowes, 7, #1099 of 2062 🔗

We are in day 301 of lockdown. March 20th would be good date to claim lockdown lasted only a year but only if ALL restrictions lifted, the legislation repealed and we go back to normal freedom. I don’t think that is going to happen in March.

364282 tarfu, replying to tarfu, 17, #1100 of 2062 🔗

It would appear that people are booking foreign holidays for later this year in the expectation that ‘it will all be over by Easter’. Well, consider these potential problems before booking.
–       Will Lockdown be lifted before June/July or re-imposed again.
–       Will your destination country allow any UK holiday makers into its territories as we are seen as COVID pariahs.
–       Will a Vaccination Certificate be required to board your plane, (assuming your carrier hasn’t gone bust).
–       Will evidence of a negative test taken 72 hours prior to your flight be required before you can board.
–       If you can manage to get a test organised 72 hours prior to your flight, if it’s a PCR test, can the test centre get the result back before your flight? I do not know the answer to this, maybe someone with experience of the PCR test can answer.
–       Assuming you get to your holiday destination, will you have to spend up to 14 days in isolation in a hotel, at your own expense.
–       Will evidence of a negative test taken 72 hours prior to your return flight be required before you can board.
–       If ‘yes’ to the above point, and you are on a package holiday, will the holiday company arrange the test for you or will you have to find a test centre yourself. If you get a test and it is a PCR test, can you be certain you will get the result back in time for your flight. If you have arranged your own flight and accommodation, you will have to track down a test centre yourself and book a test. Again, if it is a PCR test, can you be certain the result it will be returned to you before departure.
–       Will you have to isolate in a hotel in the UK, presumably at your own expense, for another 14 days.

The answer to all of the above questions at the moment seems to be  ‘We just don’t know’.
Apart from the fact that you could end up being stranded in resort and lose money for not turning up at the airport, who would want to bother. It won’t be much of a holiday with all these potential pitfalls.

364291 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to tarfu, 5, #1101 of 2062 🔗

No one will want to travel with children if they have to quarantine when they get there and children arent due to get vaccinated. This leaves a massive hole in the package holiday industry if they are going to be issues when travelling.

364292 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to tarfu, 23, #1102 of 2062 🔗

What’s the point in going on holiday to somewhere, where one is subjected to sinilar treatment as at home?

Does an inmate from Cell 26 spend 2 weeks in Cell 102 and call it ‘going on holiday’?

364294 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to tarfu, 13, #1103 of 2062 🔗

I think lockdown will end forever after the vaccine roll-out. They have nothing else.

When they do the ‘lessons to be learned’ enquiry, it will say we should have stuck to the original pre-March 23rd plan

364301 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 3, #1104 of 2062 🔗

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/504818-covid19-reverse-psychology-johnson/

“The ‘liberal-left’ narrative that the UK Tory government wanted to pursue Covid-19 ‘herd immunity’ instead of a lockdown has been shattered by official filings which appears to show the opposite was the case . The phrase ‘smoking gun’ is oft-overused, but it is surely appropriate in relation to the report in the Daily Telegraph newspaper that the UK government struck a deal worth £119m with an American advertising company, OMD Group, urging people to ‘Stay Home, Stay Safe’ a full three weeks before Boris Johnson ordered a lockdown .”

364324 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to tarfu, 5, #1105 of 2062 🔗

Personally, I don’t give a shit – let all the ignorant numpties book their hols, then let them rot wherever they are in the world when they realise the shit they are in because……… THEYT DIDN’TDO THEIR OWN RESEARCH

364328 ▶▶ langers, replying to tarfu, 3, #1106 of 2062 🔗

Interesting topic. In my own experience I have travelled both to Budapest and Fuerteventura since PCR tests were required to enter.
For Budapest, we needed 2 negative tests in the preceding 5 days. For Fuerteventura it was 1 in the preceding 72 hours.

For Budapest we used the government tests (this was in the summer) and we paid privately for the latter trip (£120 each x 3!).

The stress of waiting for the results to come back in time, plus not knowing if we’d be positive wipes out a lot of the pre-holiday excitement. In reality, you don’t know if you will be able to actually go less than 24 hours before you are due to fly.
Now add in another PCR test to get back into the UK, no doubt another few hundred quid, then all of a sudden, you are looking at adding the best part of a grand on top of your holiday.
I love to travel but I wouldn’t look at booking anything right now due to the amount of variables (as pointed out by tarfu) and uncertainty.

364330 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to tarfu, 9, #1107 of 2062 🔗

I would love for the idiots that implemented the rules in various countries to explain to my simple self what exactly what useful purpose a negative test a full 3 days before travel serves other than to line the pockets of private testing facilities.

364338 ▶▶▶ langers, replying to A Heretic, 3, #1108 of 2062 🔗

Correct. I keep asking where all the money is going……

364493 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to langers, 2, #1109 of 2062 🔗

Look at the quantity of tests versus what they charge, then realize the labor and materials are rather low cost.

The testing industry are making huge bank from this scam, well into the billions by now.

364374 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to A Heretic, 4, #1110 of 2062 🔗

Exactly, as soon as you have a test, it is null and void.

364286 number 6, replying to number 6, 15, #1111 of 2062 🔗

I am getting more and more despondent reading the recent issues of Lockdown Sceptics, or should that be Septics? All I see is the relentless progression into a society based on E M Forster’s “The Machine Stops”, and no real alternative being actively promoted other than continual moaning about the inadequacies of Government scientists and advisers. I’ve even got to the stage of recommending you place the link to “The Samaritans” on the headline page!

On the various morality issues you and many others frequently debate is that of Life Years Lost, or similar. As an older member of society I find a stigma being attached to me / us from both directions of this argument, and this has led me to think deeply on the subject, and come to some conclusions that ‘MAY’ help to give a better definition of the issue. Firstly the simple addition of the word ACTIVE, that is to say Active Life Years Lost. Ok I realise that is going against the current day mantra of preventing death by all known means irrespective of what life really means. I have made it clear to my family that I do NOT wish to be finally committed to a ‘Gulag’ (aka. Care Home) to vegetate, alive, by means of a constant supply of Medicines etc. Does society really relish a world depicted in Dennis Potter’s novel “Cold Lazarus” or the recent bbc Radio4 series “Tracks”?
So what is the concept of Active Life Years Lost? Well it will obviously relate to the difference between calendar age and the estimated life span, for example someone aged 40 could expect an active life of 45 Years assuming an average lifespan of 85 Years, plus importantly remaining mentally active and in reasonable good health. Similarly someone aged 75 could expect an active life of 10 Years. These figures depend on the value used for average lifespan, the maximum is considered to be 104 Years, although at that value there would be few in the reasonable mental /physical health category at present ?
When we apply the above criteria to the various NPI’s being applied now by governments to mitigate against the Wuhan Flu a somewhat different metric is revealed. A 25 year old has an Active Life span of 85-25=60 years, so the loss of Active Life Years, assuming a Hard Lockdown of 2 years would be 2 years lost out of 60 years or 3.3%. Now taking our 75 Year old who has a remaining Active Lifespan of 10 years, with the same Lockdown, is 2 years out of 10 years, or 20%. The conclusion is that Lockdowns impact the older more, unless one is wedded to the Cold Lazarus theory.
I have so far ignored the general health issues surrounding the current implications of Lockdowns. In my opinion, which seems to run contrary to the latest “Official Scientific Deliberations”, it is the immune system which controls the outcome of any pathogen attack, and this immune system must be continually trained and updated – (think of a military force like The Royal Marines who in order to maintain there preparedness must train in situations as near to Live Ammunition as [safely] possible.) Same with our immune preparedness, have to get out there and experience some Live Ammo”!! Not too much at one time, just the normal mingling of everyday life. If I’m prevented doing that, then whoever is preventing me has my “Blood On Their Hands”, OK Matthew John David Hancock, et al.
In conclusion the damage that Lockdowns are inflicting far exceed the damage of a bad Flu Like outbreak – Education, Normal Healthcare, Economics, Social Isolation, Family Breakdowns, Mental Health, the list is endless…………………………………………..

364297 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to number 6, #1112 of 2062 🔗

Active Life Years Lost

Did you make this up/

364317 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to number 6, 5, #1113 of 2062 🔗

And what about the long-term impact of lockdown on health and life chances for younger people? Surely you don’t believe that the end of lockdown (who knows if, let alone when, that will be) means that everyone goes back to normal, their health is magically restored, their disrupted education is compensated for by some sort of information chip being inserted into their brains and unemployment will disappear over night?

364482 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1114 of 2062 🔗

Again, there has never been a healthy society that has treated its youth in this fashion.

For me, this is what confirms the evil of the situation.

The evil ones are doing because they enjoy bringing evil into the world.

364520 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to number 6, 1, #1115 of 2062 🔗

Well said Sir, from a fit 72 year old!

364299 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 53, #1116 of 2062 🔗

Hampshire Police
@HantsPolice

Officers attended address in Basingstoke following several reports of a party at an address, and breaching lockdown guidelines. The occupants were spoken to and claimed to be unaware of the global pandemic, as they never watch the news!

364307 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nobody2021, 18, #1117 of 2062 🔗

“Well I don’t know anyone who’s died from it, do you”?

Someone is reported to have said. 😉

364327 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #1118 of 2062 🔗

Quite right. One look at the BBC and you’d never watch the news again.

364567 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1119 of 2062 🔗

They signed off with a insulting hash tag. Thats the police!!!!

#ThereAreNoWords

364300 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 4, #1120 of 2062 🔗

Apologies if this has been posted already, i nabbed from Ian Brown`s twitter feed !

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/504818-covid19-reverse-psychology-johnson/

364305 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to nickbowes, 7, #1121 of 2062 🔗

“The ‘liberal-left’ narrative that the UK Tory government wanted to pursue Covid-19 ‘herd immunity’ instead of a lockdown has been shattered by official filings which appears to show the opposite was the case . The phrase ‘smoking gun’ is oft-overused, but it is surely appropriate in relation to the report in the Daily Telegraph newspaper that the UK government struck a deal worth £119m with an American advertising company, OMD Group, urging people to ‘Stay Home, Stay Safe’ a full three weeks before Boris Johnson ordered a lockdown .”

364380 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to rockoman, #1122 of 2062 🔗

i can’t get the link to the Telegraph story to work, any help would be appreciated!

364990 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to rockoman, #1123 of 2062 🔗

I don’t think so. As far as I can see it’s just referring to preparation for campaigns to encourage people to stay at home etc, which was part of the “flattening the curve” tactic which is applicable to a herd immunity strategy.

Still no reason to suppose the government wasn’t planning to go for a “managed herd immunity” until it was panicked out of it. That’s not a “liberal-left” narrative, that’s (as far as I can see and recall) exactly what the government was absolutely correctly planning for, because it was always the standard response to a respiratory epidemic once it was established in the country and could no longer be controlled at the borders.

Not in the slightest controversial, until this spring.

Apart from anything else, you might think the likes of Johnson and his cabal are capable of operating such a cunning deception plan, but I don’t believe for a moment those buffoons could pull it off without bungling it, just as they’ve bungled all their big operations except for the pretty straightforward fear propaganda one.

364356 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1124 of 2062 🔗

Very interesting, certainly fooled Kneel Starmer and Nicky Sturgeon.

364303 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 71, #1125 of 2062 🔗

One thing that is starting to really irritate me is the use of the term “genuine exemptions” when it comes to mask-wearing. I think it was even used today on UKColumn. The problem with this term is that it implies that some exemptions are “non-genuine” or “fake”. It is worth remembering that you are exempt if wearing one causes you “severe distress” or you believe wearing one will cause you harm. These are totally subjective to the individual and do not need to be medically diagnosed. Everyone, therefore, is exempt if they wish to be and I don’t think it’s helpful to imply otherwise.

364318 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Chicot, 30, #1126 of 2062 🔗

I take the line that I have a serious and confidential mental health issue that it would be dangerous and damaging to discuss in detail with anyone except a mental health professional. I believe that anyone who has managed to maintain a sceptic position in the face of all this nonsense clearly has a different and probably by now autistic mental health situation to the rest of the population and can with all honesty say they have a genuine mental health reason for not wearing a mask.
I applaud the guy on here a while back who on warning people of his mental health condition and then having people insist he wore a mask, proceeded to have a wild panic attack and knocked a shop display over.

364378 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #1127 of 2062 🔗

And for those who are exempt for MH reasons, going through a challenge in any but the most polite form, is going to exacerbate the symptoms of the condition, especially anxiety, panic attacks etc.

364323 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Chicot, 16, #1128 of 2062 🔗

Agree. All exemptions are genuine

364331 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Chicot, 7, #1129 of 2062 🔗

Given the level of vitrol and violence we have seen over the past 6 months towards people who wesr masks it can be assumed that someone not wearing one has a very good reason for doing just that.

364339 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Chicot, 3, #1130 of 2062 🔗

You either wear it, or you are exempt or you refuse to wear it. The last one is illegal. End of.

364562 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Chicot, 4, #1131 of 2062 🔗

This is where I don’t get some of the arguments people have with the police. The letter of the law is black and white exemptions apply. If you are exempt thats the end of it no further discussion.

Don’t even debate it keep reverting back to the initial point. Exemptions apply the police are required to follow the law. Exemptions apply.

364636 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1132 of 2062 🔗

Exactly. The only way you actually “should” be able to get into trouble is by saying “f*** off, I’m not wearing one”. Of course, we know that many police seem to be ignorant of the actual law (or pretend that they are).

364306 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 22, #1133 of 2062 🔗

The current bs of trying to blame the 0.1% (probably less) of people who don’t wear face coverings in shops for the virus spreading is inane.
If the morons saying this used their brains (if they have them) they would remember that face coverings weren’t worn in shops until mid last summer. If wearing them has such an impact (it has no impact as we all know) then why when they were announced were the current restrictions at the loosest they’ve been over the last 10 months.

364308 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Hubes, 13, #1134 of 2062 🔗

The lesser mentally gifted and fearful ones might stop wearing masks when they accept the fact that the use of masks increases the likelihood of getting infected. That’s a fact.

364367 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Hubes, 15, #1135 of 2062 🔗

And they want it both ways — they claim that anti-social distancing and mask wearing has all but eradicated the flu this season, but in the same breath claim that Covid “cases” are rising because not enough people are following the rules. WHICH IS IT??? The cognitive dissonance is staggering, and what’s even worse is that most people are unable to see the contradiction.

364396 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Hubes, 6, #1136 of 2062 🔗

The logic used by bedwetters:

They think there is a pandemic on.
They think that if they win an online argument with a sceptic, the pandemic will end sooner.

364309 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 30, #1137 of 2062 🔗

Just when you thought the dystopia couldn’t get any worse! Email received from my daughter’s Primary School.

Less than 2 years ago, two parents (one year 3, one year 4) had a full-on fistfight at pick-up with plenty f-bombs and c-bombs in a cul-de-sac 30 seconds away from School entrance witnessed by many people. The school said it wasn’t their responsibility as it didn’t happen on their grounds.

Dear Parents

On Friday evening we received a visit in school from the Thames Valley Police.

The officers who visited had been in Woodford Park at the end of the school day, and were extremely disturbed to witness the large number of St Dominic Savio children ‘bundling’ with each other in the park, while parents looked on, allowing this to happen.

On this occasion the officers came in to ask us to send home a friendly warning. They will however be monitoring the situation closely, and should they witness this behaviour again they will be issuing parents with £200 fines under Covid19 Lockdown Social Distancing Legislation.

Please ensure that when you bring in and collect your children from school you MUST follow lockdown rules. Keep your distance from other families and take your children straight home.

364310 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to SimonCook, 22, #1138 of 2062 🔗

yeh, it just makes me feel sick to the stomach to read shit like that

364329 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JaneHarry, 12, #1139 of 2062 🔗

Absolute idiots. I used to see them on courses, absorbing everything they were told, it really has the same ingredients as a cult.

364313 ▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to SimonCook, 11, #1140 of 2062 🔗

Don’t these Brownshirts know that it’s unlawful to impersonate a Police Officer?

364321 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to SimonCook, 6, #1141 of 2062 🔗

That will be great. Get the fines but don’t pay them – these fines will expire after 6 months.

However, I cannot see that the police will be able to issue fines for this. Suggest a group of parents write a letter back to the school and challenge it.

364322 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to SimonCook, 16, #1142 of 2062 🔗

There is no such thing as “Covid19 Lockdown Social Distancing Legislation”

364334 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to SimonCook, 10, #1143 of 2062 🔗

‘Social distancing legislation’ – since when? What about playing rugby with your kids in the park – we know that’s ok.

364503 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1144 of 2062 🔗

Yes. Its just guidance.

364343 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to SimonCook, 4, #1145 of 2062 🔗

Surely you can’t fine the parents for children’s playing together? As it is a primary school the kids must be mainly under the age of criminal responsibility?

364381 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to SimonCook, 12, #1146 of 2062 🔗

Dear School,

what I do with my children outside school hours and off schools premises is none of your fucking business you nosy bitch. Plus there is no such thing as Social distancing legislation just as there is no such thing as Playground playing legislation.

Now fuck off before I sew you for interfering in my private affairs’.

Love , the Parent

P.S. Build back better MOFO

364429 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to SimonCook, 3, #1147 of 2062 🔗

The Coronavirus regulations have got ever more convoluted and hard to follow and so I may have missed something but I am unaware of any
‘Covid19 Lockdown Social Distancing Legislation.’
The Police should b e challenged on the content of this letter for 2 reasons;

  1. They should confirm the precise details as to which section of the regulations they are talking about?
  2. They should be reminded that the Police cannot fine anybody, they can issue Fixed Penalty Notices, a FPN is not a fine it is an offer to do a deal which you are entitled to accept of reject as you wish.
364556 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1148 of 2062 🔗

Also, surely the letter of the law does not confer liability from the child to the parent. Surely the police would need to issue an FPN to the children. I presume they realise that wouldn’t be the best PR.

364445 ▶▶ RickH, replying to SimonCook, 5, #1149 of 2062 🔗

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think there’s any ‘social distancing’ legislation. Just refuse to accept any arbitrary fine.

364491 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, 2, #1150 of 2062 🔗

Never heard of any, it was only ever mentioned in guidance.

Waiting for H+SE and governemnt legal department to confrim by FOI request.

364498 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to SimonCook, 2, #1151 of 2062 🔗

It’s none of the school’s business what happens off their territory.

364515 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #1152 of 2062 🔗

They’ll do anything they are told. Gutless

364341 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 13, #1153 of 2062 🔗

Can I just pick some LS brains on this.

On Friday we were threatened with legal action by the local council because our customers consume food and drink on benches in the park which our shop overlooks. We have argued against this threat by saying this is not an area we usually use. They have come back and used different terms to which they originally quoted to ‘get us’. Can they do this? Can they move the goalposts in this way? Surely if they are so bloody bothered about people gathering in the park, they should just ban everyone from using it.

364344 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 301 of lockdown), replying to kh1485, 16, #1154 of 2062 🔗

Surely you have no control over where the customers go to consume their purchases? Unless it could be proven that you are telling them to sit there, what grounds for anything do they have?

364345 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 22, #1155 of 2062 🔗

If you’re providing a takeaway service, I don’t see that you have any responsibility for enforcing where your customers consume that takeaway food and drink. Your transaction is complete once you hand over the produce.

How utterly ridiculous that we should even be having these discussions!

364349 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to kh1485, 12, #1156 of 2062 🔗

I’m no expert but how are you responsible for where people consume your produce? As you say, if they don’t like people eating in the park they have the power to stop it, you don’t. It’s like threatening to shut a car dealer because some people speed or a DIY store because some people use paint for graffiti!

364351 ▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 11, #1157 of 2062 🔗

Ask them to remove the benches.

Police commonly ask the council for such a thing where anti social behaviour is occuring. It will secure your position, the council are unlikely to chop the benches out – although second guessing council morons at distance is a mugs game.

364353 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basics, 4, #1158 of 2062 🔗

Oh, don’t bet against that, they’ve already taken the benches away outside Costa’s.

364406 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 3, #1159 of 2062 🔗

For the same reason they are going after you. Discriminatiin against the independent. You have no control of these benches yet they are pinning them to you. At Costa they remove them so people must sit in Costa or move on elsewhere.

364352 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to kh1485, 7, #1160 of 2062 🔗

there are coffee vans along the seafront road where I walk, people get their coffee then go and sit on the nearby benches. The legal action threat sounds like a no go.

364354 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 8, #1161 of 2062 🔗

I am not a lawyer but I cannot see how they can hold you responsible for where customers sit outside especially not on your ‘property’

Always good to write back and perhaps challenge them………

Are you a member of BIRA or similar for your industry? Part of their membership is legal assistance

364357 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to kh1485, 7, #1162 of 2062 🔗

Reading your post I have to wonder how we will ever roll back this level of petty jobsworthery. I really can’t see all these local hitlers being keen to give up their power over the minutiae of our lives. Will the Covid Marshalls ever be made redundant or will they morph into a sort of politeness police enforcing a social credit model of behavioural control?

364492 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1163 of 2062 🔗

I know. These are a certain ‘type’. Never taken a risk in their lives, never probably ‘lived’ and take great delight in pushing around others who have the temerity to do both. And to add insult to injury, we noticed the market ‘safety’ marshals doing a patrol of the park.

364358 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 9, #1164 of 2062 🔗

Whatever your customers choose to do with purchases from you and wherever they may choose to undertake such action can’t possibly be your responsibility,I would believe the only legal requirement you need to meet is that the food is safe and fit to eat.
I expect they will try to move the goalposts as much as they like but to me it seems like harassment and bullying with no legal basis.

364365 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 4, #1165 of 2062 🔗

Would have to trawl back through the legislation, and can’t be arsed right now, but I think there was some mention of seating ‘attached’ to your premises (e.g. right outside the door, courtyard or whatever) being classed as ‘in’ your premises, so if you served there, you were effectively open. But that’s not what you are doing… Is it your fault if two customers take their sandwiches back to a house and ‘gather illegally’ there??

364371 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1166 of 2062 🔗

The people in the park are committing ‘outdoor recreation’!

364399 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, #1167 of 2062 🔗

There’s this:

(4) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (1), references to food or drink being for consumption on premises include references to consumption on an area adjacent to the premises of the restricted business or restricted service—

(a)where seating is made available for its customers (whether or not by the business or the provider of the service), or

(b)which its customers habitually use for consumption of food or drink served by the business or service.

The last one is a bit iffy (aren’t they always), but I would think your customers would ‘habitually’ use your own seating. When that’s closed, it’s their decision as to where to go.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/schedule/3A

364453 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1168 of 2062 🔗

Thanks Sam and to everyone else for your comments. Yes, this is what we have quoted back at her. The benches are not ‘habitually’ used because we have our own seating area (which, obviously we are now forbidden from using – didn’t stop the bastards invoicing us for the use of it though, oh no). We also proved this by sending her photos of our sign which states ‘No takeaways and please take a seat at a table’ that we put up in sane times. I will put my hand up to providing food and drinks in proper crockery and on trays which I deliver to the benches. What would they prefer, that I have a shop full of people queuing?

I think the only way she can further this is if they ban consumption of all takeaways from all outlets or close the park completely. On reading her latest bloody missive, she has used the word ‘may’ quite a lot rather than ‘will’ with regard to action being taken against us. My guess is that she has checked out her original threat, found it may not stand up and is backing down without actually saying ‘got it wrong, sos’. But then that type never do. Felt slighty cheered by the fact that this woman has form with other places: re. my post earlier about the publican, he’s also been subject to her chucking her (not inconsiderable) weight around.

As Leggy says, that we are even bloody discussing this says a lot about the ridiculous times in which we now live.

364514 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to kh1485, #1169 of 2062 🔗

The problem may be that she is seeing your kindness, in delivering your food to those who are sat on the benches, as a signal that you consider them part of your property.

The best way around that is, I’m afraid, to limit yourself to a take away only service on disposable trays. Let them sit on the benches to wait for their food, but they have to collect it from you. That way there is no possible way that you can be seen to be encouraging the use of those benches for consumption of your products.

364580 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Richy_m_99, #1170 of 2062 🔗

I see your point, but that means people gathering in my shop which the stasi do not want. Further, many of my customers are older and would not want to try and negotiate carrying a takeaway cup and food (they have walking sticks etc.). These bastards really are trying to strip people of their humanity.

364368 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 15, #1171 of 2062 🔗

Ask them if it is included in law or in guidance about not sitting off your property.

If they say law ask for the exact piece of legislation and the exact line.

If they say “guidance” ask for the piece of legislation that says guidance is legally enforceable.

It isn’t, awaiting FOIs abck from the H+SE and government legal departemnt asking this exact question.

Then say “see you in court”.

364373 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1172 of 2062 🔗

Precisely, AG. We heard earlier about ‘social distancing legislation’ – which simply doesn’t exist.

364376 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to kh1485, 2, #1173 of 2062 🔗

Are you based in a town? There were lots of picnics in a country park on Saturday. Cafe was open for take aways.

364379 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to kh1485, #1174 of 2062 🔗

what your customers do is not within your control, just don’t encourage them to sit on the park benches. I doubt you have the legal right to control your customers outside your property.

364408 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1175 of 2062 🔗

you might even encourage verbal or physical abuse against you by trying to police the public

364387 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 5, #1176 of 2062 🔗

If the supermarkets don’t have to police masks then you do not have to police areas outside of your property

364389 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to kh1485, 12, #1177 of 2062 🔗

I suppose the obvious question is, “do you own the land on which the benches are placed.” If not, you cannot be liable for their use, and it is encumbant on the owner of the land to ensure their proper use and compliance with any laws or restrictions in place.

So if the council own the land, suggest they prosecute themselves.

364390 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #1178 of 2062 🔗

brilliant

364391 ▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, #1179 of 2062 🔗

Normally, there would be nothing to stop them changing the terms of an accusation of breaching law/regs etc prior to action. There might well be costs issues, or they might need the court’s permission to do so in formal pleadings, but I don’t see any reason why they can’t change from one accusation or basis for charging to another prior to formal pleadings.

That said, I’m neither a lawyer nor familiar with your industry and the rules that apply in relation to licensing etc.

I’m interested in what law/reg/bylaw/duty they think makes you responsible for where people consume your takeaway food and drink, though. What were the stated bases for their threat of legal action?

364517 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, #1180 of 2062 🔗

Their original threat of action was because I was ‘encouraging the consumption of food and drinks at the benches’. This was because I referred to the benches on one of my blackboards – advertising what we were selling (otherwise potential customers do not know). Someone very ‘kindly’ took a photo as they were so outraged and sent it to the council. What neither party realised is that I change the message on the boards every couple of days so the reference to the bench is no longer there and hasn’t been for over a week. Bearing in mind that customers know there are benches in the park just beyond our existing seating area, they make use of it (why wouldn’t they). People order what they want and we take it out to them. And for this I am treated like a criminal.

364527 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 1, #1181 of 2062 🔗

I think they might weasel this into you ‘serving people’ and creating an ad hoc seating area. Tread carefully. It’s all shite, of course, but there’s a line between customers going where they will, and you ‘providing’ a seating area. Gotta see it how the bad guys do.

364603 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1182 of 2062 🔗

You’re telling me it’s all shite. Perhaps I could ask the kind people at the council what I do with an elderly lady with a walking stick. “Here love, don’t worry if you fall over while negotiating carrying your takeaway, the council are just keeping us all safe” Not aimed at you Sam but these bastards are really, really pissing me off.

364704 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 2, #1183 of 2062 🔗

Completely understand. Say what you like, here, we’re on the same side. I mean, are they allowing take away or not? It’s that simple; if they are, then people can buy food/drink and…wait for it… yes… take it away! This is in the same league as ‘coffee while walking constitutes picnic’.
Interesting how they go on about folk ‘flexing’ the rules, but they are quick to fabricate any petty offence they can. Fuck ’em (‘Scuse french m’lady).

364711 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, #1184 of 2062 🔗

S’cused. And thanks as ever 😉

364598 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to kh1485, 1, #1185 of 2062 🔗

the ‘kindly’ photo taker is SAVING LIVES! – stay safe

364441 ▶▶ RickH, replying to kh1485, 2, #1186 of 2062 🔗

If you have legally sold goods to customers, I can’t see how you can be responsible for what they do beyond your door. But a legal opinion is necessary – not least as a platform upon which to mount a case if threatened.

364473 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to kh1485, 3, #1187 of 2062 🔗

Sadly in our new Communist society the individual is responsible for the health of all.

No individual is responsible for their own health.

364474 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to kh1485, 2, #1188 of 2062 🔗

On that basis we could fine McDonalds for all the kiddy crap left in the local lane, together with nitrous containers…

364481 ▶▶ Marg, replying to kh1485, 1, #1189 of 2062 🔗

Clutching at straws, it seems that they will find any excuse to put people in their place, even citing the spirit of the lockdown. I cannot see once they part with their payment, it’s their choice where to eat their paid for take aways. If the police have a problem with where they choose to eat them they should speak to them. It’s now their food and no longer your business. Just shows the police seem to be looking for an excuse. Is it they are bored or perhaps they have a target to achieve now perhaps parking and traffic fines down.

364521 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 1, #1190 of 2062 🔗

If the park is public land or council land i would have thought that is the council’s responsibility. They can park a Covid Womble there if so inclined, you couldn’t stop them.
You could of course mention to your customers that “The council have advised us you can’t use the benches” just as a courtesy but it’s not yours to police.
However I am not a lawyer. Awkward Git might know.

364617 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to kh1485, 2, #1191 of 2062 🔗

Turn it back on the jobsworths if it gets heavy – complain to them they have been negligent in not having taped off the benches.

364790 ▶▶ iansn, replying to kh1485, 1, #1192 of 2062 🔗

Record everything they say when they visit you, no need to give them the full in your face camera just use the camera function to record the conversation, let them know politely you are doing it for the avoidance of any doubt for yourself as to what has been said. Refer to the previous change of story. . They can’t change what they said and everything they say must be justified in the SI or the health regulations. They should show you exactly in the regulations what the ‘contravention’ is exactly. McDonalds aren’t responsible for the mountains of shit their customers leave all around their carparks and nearby streets, they made the food and packaging but they don’t drop the litter. Your responsibility is for the property and the external areas that you may use for tables and your A board advertising.
Is the new advice written? is it in the general regulations or is it something they have decided by misinterpreting or over interpreting the guidance which is not law. and cannot be construed as anything as it is guidance, not regulation.
Keep doing what you are doing, if you are in any breach of routine restaurant stuff be careful, but if its just covid shit tell them to fuck off. They wont be happy if you record it and hopefully they’ll see you are not taking it and then fuck right off.
Keep the faith KH you are doing a great job.
If you want further help or ideas let me know.

364841 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to iansn, 1, #1193 of 2062 🔗

PS remove the reference to the nearby garden on your website for now, that is something they can get you with. Someone else mentioned which town you are in so I did a bit of sleuthing and think I have found you.

364847 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to iansn, #1194 of 2062 🔗

Thanks.

364844 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to iansn, #1195 of 2062 🔗

Thanks very much for this iansn. Oh yes, well aware of the routine stuff … if you dare question anything, even in normal times, they will try and pin anything on you.

364982 ▶▶ TC, replying to kh1485, #1196 of 2062 🔗

Ask them to put their threatened action into writing (an email would suffice) setting out what laws they allege you have broken so you can seek legal advice. You do not necessarily need to consult a lawyer at present.
That will at least cause them to look at the law and put their case in writing knowing (hopefully) that such may be challenged..
If you have no ownership or control over the benches then how can you influence or control what happens there?
However, local authorities have deeper pockets than you and employ some people who are happy to spend tax payers money but they usually operate within budgetary constraints so might at least think before starting a legal process.
If you have any CCTV footage of threats to “get” you from council officers then do not let them be deleted.

364348 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #1197 of 2062 🔗

BBC lies

Covid-19 was the leading cause of death in Wales in 2020, according to provisional data.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-55701652

364359 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 4, #1198 of 2062 🔗

They seem to be doing this deliberately, following an agenda

364361 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to steve_w, 5, #1199 of 2062 🔗

Absolute bollocks.

364386 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to steve_w, 1, #1200 of 2062 🔗

Well if you put C-19 on everything then of course

364401 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to steve_w, 2, #1201 of 2062 🔗

My father believed BBC stood for Blair Broadcasting Corporation, He was wrong. It stands for Blatant Bollocks Corporation.

364413 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to steve_w, #1202 of 2062 🔗

So do you know where one can find out the real numbers?

364452 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Melangell, 1, #1203 of 2062 🔗

no. But we all know its a lie because if covid was the leading cause of death, deaths in wales will have to have doubled

i think they mean in some specific month but I cant be bothered to unpick it

364465 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to steve_w, #1204 of 2062 🔗

According to the ONS end of year figures;’
There were 37790 registered deaths in Wales 2020
Of those 4945 had Covid on the Death Certificate
So 13% of Welsh registered deaths were Covid
Leaving 87% other causes, each of which will have to be less than 13% for their claim to be correct! strokes, heart disease, alzheimer’s all less than 13% seems unlikely?

364507 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1205 of 2062 🔗

They’ll also be marking anyone dying of alzheimers with CV-19 on the death cert as simply covid. Disregarding the rest.

Anything to get the number up.

364360 number 6, replying to number 6, 12, #1206 of 2062 🔗

There was a totally disgusting bit in a bbc news item the other day, yes I know but this one WAS BAD. The item was on the recently acceptance of the “Powers That Be” that it would be advantageous to actually test the efficacy of Vitamin D3. The interviewer / reporter dwelled on the point that this may be a Red Herring, and only weak anecdotal evidence existed now. However the punch line was that the Trial would come to a conclusion early next year -YES early FUCKING 2022 – and anyway it is likely to prove very inferior to the Vaccines Medicines currently being deployed.
Many readers may have come across the “WW2 Sprit” and how we coped then. Well it wasn’t by being timid and not trying every possible solution – FUCK extended trials – do it now if it doesn’t work try this one………………In a early employment my manager recalled having been conscripted to Radar development after he graduated from university. Enquiring as to his degree he said it was in Chemistry, and while being interviewed as to his possible usefulness to the war effort he was offered a posting to the Radar research station in (I think) Malvern. He replied, but I have a Chemistry degree and know nothing about Radar to which the reply was “Nobody Does”, and was given his ticket to Malvern. He had many anecdotes from his experiences like testing the latest counter measures to be deployed against the Luftwaffe whilst sitting in the hastily converted bomb bay of a Wellington, forget Elf’ & Safety! YES that was the true sprit and indeed we need it NOW. Vit’ D3, go for it, HCQ yes! Ivermectin deploy it now, after all we even have extensive safety evidence on all these, its a FUCKING no brainer not to use them.
WW2 again, when it was suspected that the Luftwaffe were tuning into the frequencies used by the IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) device fitted to our aircraft we immediately switched it OFF. Result less fatalities to the rear end gunners, fitted a replacement device subsequently, but in the interim saved lives & aircraft.

364372 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to number 6, 11, #1207 of 2062 🔗

We can’t have it both ways though. As sceptics we have decried the rushed vaccine. We look inconsistent if we then criticise proper length trials of other things. My own view would be conduct the trial but roll out vitamin D supplements to the at risk in the interim as it is already accepted that we have a problem with low vitamin D in this country among the elderly, obese and ethnic minorities in particular. And being locked up for months won’t have helped. Vitamin D is essential for health, it may well help with Covid and it certainly won’t do any harm.

364393 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #1208 of 2062 🔗

All the necessary studies are already done and reported.

Roger Seheult (who knows his stuff) gives full reporting on this video:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg

HCQ, Ivermectin, and of course Vit D all have a track record of many decades.

364397 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 9, #1209 of 2062 🔗

The point is there is nothing novel about vitamin D. We know what it does, and a sufficient quantity in the body is good defence against ANY virus. It is well known that people in the Northern Hemisphere don’t get enough, which is why the Finn’s add it to their staple diet.

364414 ▶▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #1210 of 2062 🔗

Ivermectin, a new candidate therapeutic against SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32473642/

The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32251768/

364420 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #1211 of 2062 🔗

Focus on treatments. How about spending the money on treatments? Not using humans as lab rats.

364471 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1212 of 2062 🔗

The difference being that the treatments mentioned are not new. They have been in use for other ailments for years and the side effects are well documented and usually mild. Vitamin D has none unless taken in truly massive quantities. HCQ and Ivermectin do but those at risk are well known.

The trouble is that as cheap and in some cases out of patent they make no money for Big Pharma, so won’t be recommended.

364404 ▶▶ Julian, replying to number 6, 3, #1213 of 2062 🔗

The BBC seem to be following a very definite agenda

364417 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Julian, 3, #1214 of 2062 🔗

Just completed a BBC survey. Gave them both barrels.

364436 ▶▶ RickH, replying to number 6, 2, #1215 of 2062 🔗

We have to be careful of parallels. Different time. Different circumstances. But I do have visions of the current Mrs Minever handing tea to the Wehrmacht as it lands 🙂

As to Vitamin D3/ invermectin etc. – I think that there needs to be proper RCT examination – but what a hypocritical contrast with the open arms for under-trialed vaccines!

364466 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to number 6, 2, #1216 of 2062 🔗

Why do you need a trial to take vitamin D which costs next to nothing, is freely available, is known to be beneficial for a range of issues and will not harm you unless you take mega-silly amounts.
To those who tell me its only a mask, its only a jab in the arm, just accept it, I say it is only a tuppenny halfpenny vitamin D pill, no trial needed, just swallow it.

364369 Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 23, #1217 of 2062 🔗

Just gave the M&S mask overlord both barrels.I corrected her in the style of Delbert Grady.

364394 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Teddy Edward, 7, #1218 of 2062 🔗

Great!

364398 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Teddy Edward, 8, #1219 of 2062 🔗

M&S is a dead company walking.

364370 Jo, replying to Jo, 15, #1220 of 2062 🔗

Update on partner’s uncle who is in hospital 3 weeks after Covid vaccination, as posted a few days ago.
To summarise: 90+ yr old vaccinated before Xmas. Admitted to hospital with chest infection, tested negative. A few days later, tested positive for Covid. Staff said he would have been more ill if he hadn’t had vaccination.
He has now been moved to another hospital (which has been designated, I think, for older people who need less care. He has now tested negative and told he never did have Covid.

Whilst I think this last bit is true, isn’t this a change in the narrative? a) because they want everyone to believe the vaccine “works” and b) want to clear the main hospital beds.

Unfortunately partner’s mother, who had vaccination last week is still unwell, feeling very weak, everything hurting and struggling to get around. Sincerely hoping that these side effects wear off.

364395 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Jo, 9, #1221 of 2062 🔗

PCR tests aren’t worth the fag packets they’re written on.

364412 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Jo, 3, #1222 of 2062 🔗

Which vaccine was it that caused the unpleasant side effects . ?

364432 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Jo, #1223 of 2062 🔗

I assume this was the Pfizer vaccine rather than the Astra one?

364660 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Steve Martindale, #1224 of 2062 🔗

Yes, Pfizer.

364375 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 9, #1225 of 2062 🔗

I clicked on the India Times by mistake and now can’t get rid of it, anyway, the many many celebs appear to be immune just like ours and the US, 3 day weddings, romances beginning, divorces, gallery openings, seems Covid is just for the many plebs not for the few celebs.

364384 ▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1226 of 2062 🔗

Yes, I noticed this on the Daily Mail. In their tits & ass sidebar, there seems to be a lot of ‘slebs’ (though in honesty I have no idea who they are) showing their meatsacks off in exotic locations for money.

364392 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1227 of 2062 🔗

If you dial an indian number now, you don’t get to hear a ring tone, instead you get to listen to a recording of them telling you to get the vaccine.

364382 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 16, #1228 of 2062 🔗

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY

In 1938,CBS broadcast a radio show based on the book “The War of the Worlds” by H.G. Wells, who partook in the show.

It is reported that the broadcast caused panic in some parts of America, in particular locations closed to where the “Martians” were supposed to have landed, despite, presumably, nobody hearing anything go “bumb” as it crashed to Earth.

Has anybody considered what would happen today, with 24/7 media coverage, social media viral spread of stories, the ability to hack online websites, image manipulation and CGI advancement, what would happen if a similar story of a worldwide threat to mankind suddenly appeared in the media?

If nothing else, this pandemic has proved just how much faith the ordinary person puts in the media to tell them the truth. If such a hoax were to be attempted, given the right conditions and skill, it could well cause global panic.

Or maybe it has already happened?

364410 ▶▶ number 6, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #1229 of 2062 🔗

Total fucking disaster !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

364411 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #1230 of 2062 🔗

There’s a lot of news articles lately pushing aliens as a realistic concept. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s another hoax they attempt at some point. Like you say, all the technology is in place for it, and the majority would very much go along with it.

I don’t think they would portray them as a threat though, more likely they’ll promote the hell out of their “first words”, which will conveniently match up with the globalist viewpoints. “You’re killing your planet with carbon!”, that type of rubbish.

364424 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to John Galt, #1231 of 2062 🔗

Is your name Klaatu ?

Oops, wrong film. 🙂

364433 ▶▶▶ Her Majesty's Shitposting Trollfarm, replying to John Galt, 3, #1232 of 2062 🔗

“And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We’re going to have to build space based weapons against aliens,’ and all of it, he said, is a lie.”

Allegedly from Carol Rosin, quoting a conversation she had with Wernher von Braun, with whom she worked closely for many years.

364434 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to John Galt, 3, #1233 of 2062 🔗

The Poison Pygmy can’t stop illegal aliens in the channel god forbid extra terrestrials arrive armed with pea shooters
Game over

364440 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to John Galt, 2, #1234 of 2062 🔗

In Kurt Vonneguts Plague on wheels, the alien Kago tells the inhabitants of a planet named “Earth” all about American cars, which are destroying the planet. Kago, however, doesn’t realize that Earthlings can be “easily felled by a single idea.” On Earth, there is “no immunity to cuckoo ideas.”

364443 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Richy_m_99, #1235 of 2062 🔗

We are living it.

364461 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #1236 of 2062 🔗

Earth will be demolished for a Hyper space bypass, I’m practising my poetry.

364403 JohnB, 2, #1237 of 2062 🔗

Heh heh. My company has just forwarded on the government’s COVID-19 Vaccine Fraud Guide.

364407 number 6, replying to number 6, 1, #1238 of 2062 🔗

So now T cell immunity is no longer seen to be important or even relevant according to the latest Medical expert organisation Ipso. Perhaps they think that the “T” refers to the departing USA president Trump? They don’t seem to like the concept of herd immunity. Do they have better Ologists than SAGE ? and should I now ignore the so called lunatic fringe like Ivor Cummins, Mike Yeadon, Dr Clare Craig, Dr. Malcolm Kendrick, etc.
There have been a few Hatchet Jobs lately on some of the above “Lunatics” . Most are boring reads going in ever decreasing circles with their demolishing attempts, usually they trip themselves up by going of on a tangent. Example, bringing in critique of Ivor’s ideas on diet – “totally insane (crack pot) and contrary to ALL medical opinion – totally debunked, junk science”.
OK, that’s another argument, but it served to totally dismiss the article, which later seemed to suggest an IFR of >2.0% for the Wuhan Flu ???????????? and faultless PCR testing????

364469 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to number 6, 1, #1239 of 2062 🔗

I did see a demolition (which included plenty of vitriol making me suspicious) of Yeadon’s point about placental issues, basically because the identified gene fragment series are too small to be identified by our immune system as the same as those in placental proteins and if it was true, infection itself would cause this. Any other sources which echo the concern or has Yeadon overstepped here?

364487 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #1240 of 2062 🔗

How would we know? Are they even releasing data at all in the UK about how safe the vaccines have been?

364721 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #1241 of 2062 🔗

There can be no demolition because no one knows the long term implications.The limited testing didn’t involve any pregnant women or those trying to conceive.
This is the biggest drug trial in history.

364409 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1242 of 2062 🔗

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_LifeLog

The conception, birth and raison d’être of Facebook.

364416 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1243 of 2062 🔗

Davos, 2021, January 24 -29. Mostly Zoom conferencing to set up their plan of attack and prepare for a more thorough meeting sometime in May, 2021.

364472 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1244 of 2062 🔗

Can’t we try and get the internet taken down – beat them at their own game?

364415 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #1245 of 2062 🔗

Just got this from The Spectator:-

“Almost a third of hospitalised patients who have recovered from Covid-19 will end up back in hospital within five months and one in eight will die,”

This finding has to be based on people who were hospitalised before the summer doesn’t it? It would be useful to know:-

a) the average age of the cohort who were hospitalised but recovered.

b) the average age of those who ended back in hospital

and

c) the average age of those that died.

These figures suggest quite a few people were going back in within weeks of being discharged.

364421 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1246 of 2062 🔗

I’m not sure it’s meaningful, if the definition of ‘Covid’ is the usual one of a PCR+ reading.

364423 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #1247 of 2062 🔗

yes – because they are very elderly, frail and nearing end of life

364426 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #1248 of 2062 🔗

probably with secondary infections caught from those rancid NHS hospitals
At this point a tramps bunghole would be cleaner

364427 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #1249 of 2062 🔗

Judging from my own experience with family members I’ve visited in hospital over the years I would say that it’s accurate to say:

“Almost a third of hospitalised patients who are in their eighties or older will end up back in hospital within five months and one in eight will die”

364428 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #1250 of 2062 🔗

No surprise as most of these people are not healthy.

Suggest they take responsibility for their own health. They can start by taking high dose vitamin D3 (always with `Magnesium and vitamin K2) and reduce/eliminate sugar consumption

364555 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Victoria, 2, #1251 of 2062 🔗

In the new communism the individual bears total responsibility for society’s health.

He bears zero responsibility for his own health.

364821 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to awildgoose, #1252 of 2062 🔗

L’etat, c’est nous!

364431 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ned of the Hills, 8, #1253 of 2062 🔗

Statistical smoke and mirrors.

In hospital for other chronic problems.

Happen to test positive while they are there.

Have to go back soon because of chronic problems.

It is all so transparent.

Not technically lying – just completely misleading.

364488 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1254 of 2062 🔗

It doesnt say that they will be back in as a result of having contracted COVID 19 (even then, did they have COVID19 or a positive PCR test, which we know means the sum total of SFA).

364548 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1255 of 2062 🔗

Average number of comorbidities would help as well.

364418 Victoria, 4, #1256 of 2062 🔗

Health as Spiritual Warfare ~~By Dr Kelly Brogan ~~

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/health-spiritual-warfare

364419 John001, replying to John001, 26, #1257 of 2062 🔗

Well, a pretty confrontation-free day, I’m home and it’s 16.00 h.

Had minor repairs to the car. My mechanic agrees with me that it’s a load of b******s. He may not have the jab. It’s restored my faith in human nature; too many of my friends have boundless faith in the NHS.

Bought diesel at Sainsbury’s, used no mask, no hassle, everyone polite. Bought food at Lidl, used no mask, friendly as always. The in-store announcement makes no mention of masks. Four other shoppers seen with no masks, ~10% of total. Visited a local farm shop, used no mask, friendly as usual.

IMO if compulsory masks count as an unproven medical intervention, this would be illegal. I may use that in court if I have any run-ins in 2021. Some compensation would be quite nice for this old age pensioner …

364450 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John001, 5, #1258 of 2062 🔗

Your last point is an important one.

364425 Marg, replying to Marg, 11, #1259 of 2062 🔗

I was a LBC fan until earlier last year, bar James O’Brien, extremely rude to anyone who doesn’t agree with his point of view. I changed to Talk radio, despite their own views they are prepared to listen to alternatives. I switch back at weekend to listen to Maajid Nawaz.

364435 ▶▶ peter-, replying to Marg, 11, #1260 of 2062 🔗

Nawaz is excellent, a rare example on LBC.

O’Brien is an arse beyond all measure, the most sanctimonious prick you could ever wish to encounter. Love the JR-M Brexit interview from a little while back when all O’Brien could do from the start was sigh and be rude knowing he had already lost the argument.

I do feel a lot of the “callers” are stage managed fodder to label a reciters, anti lockdowners etc as thick and ignorant. He does have a surprising amount of facts to hand and no way he knows them off the top of his head or has researchers who give him that must detail.

Talk Radio is very good, Mike Graham especially

364478 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peter-, 3, #1261 of 2062 🔗

Mike Graham saying Ivor Cummins was just a pills salesman was a low blow. He’s doing many good things to get under the skin of the narrative. He’s not been 100% correct but he’s been very consistent and more often than not he’s got the tale correct.

364430 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 32, #1262 of 2062 🔗

The propaganda has been stepped up in 2021 to a level of intensity that I did not think could be sustainable. What I did not anticipate is that the foundation of lies was already so egregious that there is absolutely no limit to how far this can be taken.

We are now living in a post-human, post-truth, post-reality society. Nothing bears the slightest resemblance to anything I am familiar with prior to 2020. I think this is what hell looks like.

364438 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Richard O, 2, #1263 of 2062 🔗

It is a false reality woven around us.

364475 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard O, 1, #1264 of 2062 🔗

A very good point. As more lies are deployed, or at the very least truth embellished, they must be assured that any story will do.

364490 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Richard O, 3, #1265 of 2062 🔗

And any questioning of the official Covid narrative gets shut down in the war against “misinformation”. YouTube has taken down the New Normal documentary that was linked in today’s LS news, “for violating YouTube’s terms of service”.

364505 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Liz F, 4, #1266 of 2062 🔗

Yes, to question the insanity in any way is to be declared a heretic, and insane.

This is nothing new of course, there are plenty of historical precedents for this. The only difference this time is that it is global in scope, and threatens the collapse of the entire civilisation.

364544 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 2, #1267 of 2062 🔗

Correct.

I just read a book about the yellow fever outbreak in Philadelphia in 1793.

Many of the attitudes and actions were exactly the same.

The difference is the lack of real-time global communication, mass media, and easy international travel.

364554 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Liz F, 1, #1268 of 2062 🔗
364572 ▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to HoMojo, 1, #1269 of 2062 🔗

Brilliant, thanks!

364513 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Richard O, 6, #1270 of 2062 🔗

I don’t disagree but to the same time I can’t help feeling that our government may have scored a ‘weapons grade own goal’ by deliberately setting out to terrorise people as to the threat of Covid 19 to the public at large. This has led to a very stressed and, I would say, paranoid feeling amongst many as evidenced by the mask addicts. As the numbers of infections and deaths will undoubtably decline because of seasonal effects, the stress and paranoia of the public may well transfer to the mounting reports of the claimed side effects of the vaccines. The government has well and truly sown the wind, it may well reap the whirlwind!

364534 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to isobar, 5, #1271 of 2062 🔗

Good point, the psychological damage inflicted will take years to reverse. Even if restrictions are lifted, in no way will society return to any kind of functioning normality for a very long time.

364720 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 1, #1272 of 2062 🔗

I think this why sceptics need to be ready to get out there and try to recreate a functioning society as soon as possible. I recall some people saying after the war that they would never go abroad again, but some (like my great uncle) went on holiday to France in the spring of 1946 – something that would have been impossible to imagine two years earlier.

364523 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Richard O, 3, #1273 of 2062 🔗

Goebbels said “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it” .

364705 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 3, #1274 of 2062 🔗

We’re living through a period of global mass hysteria/psychosis. Although we sceptics like to think we’re immune, I think we can’t help being tainted slightly by it, hence some of us feel like we’re sinking into hopelessness. It’s hard not to panic on a sinking ship when most other people are. But this can be resisted. Remember that ALL episodes of mass hysteria eventually end. It may take years, but it will end, because the laws of reason and nature cannot indefinitely be tampered with.

I’ve sometimes thought that was one way out of the hell of Orwell’s 1984 – the fact that the Party believed it could make people believe 2+2 = 5. The problem with that idea is that in the long run, you can’t sustain or control anything if you disregard the laws of physics and the rational ground of our being.

364437 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1275 of 2062 🔗

Damcing NHS doctors and nurses are offensive. It is a gut reaction to the spectacle which has often been commented on and which I could now add yet more words of condemnation.

Instead, however, I thought to look at how many of the NHS staff are clinically obese. Well, if I didn’t trip over a fact checking article from fact checking Fullfact immediately! So I now know this is a good question to ask. Just how obese is the NHS we are busy saving?

From full fact we get this gem:
“An independent NHS Health and Wellbeing report known as the Boorman review, from the eponymous doctor who led the research, conducted similar research.

“Around 2,000 staff in a variety of NHS organisations took part.

“The information was gathered through quarterly health testing days, which allowed the participants to have their body mass index, weight, waist circumference and blood pressure measured, and to receive one-to-one dietician and exercise advice. The findings were, however, never published.”

https://fullfact.org/health/are-half-nhs-workers-obese/

That is all for now. I will report back when I have an answer.

364442 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Basics, 9, #1276 of 2062 🔗

Don’t recall hearing of any nurses doing the Chattanooga choo-choo during the Spanish flu although happy to be proven wrong

364729 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1277 of 2062 🔗

I think that was a WW2 thing.

364444 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1278 of 2062 🔗

Ah, fullfact never fails to alert to the true story…

From the BMJ:
“There is so much talk about carrot and stick being applied to the obesity epidemic1 but no one seems to have the courage to discuss the telling deterrent: employment.

“If indeed half of NHS employees are overweight or obese it is a national disgrace where we would expect an …”

https://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f4646.full

Still not definite but a better understanding of NHS hypocracy. I will find an answer and report back.

364448 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #1279 of 2062 🔗

This page has been retired –
https://www.nhs.uk/news/obesity/1-4-nurses-england-are-obese-survey-finds/

It used to say:
“According to government figures, 27% of adults in England were obese in 2015. The researchers specifically wanted to look at rates within the health workforce. They hope their findings will see policymakers pay more attention to improving staff health, as this has implications for not only the workforce, but also patient care.”

Visible via DDG search term “nhs staff who are clinnically obese”.

364451 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #1280 of 2062 🔗

Getting to the nub of the matter now:
“One in four NHS nurses is obese and this could be contributing to high staff sickness levels and heaping more pressure on the health service, researchers have warned. Obesity related illness could…”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-nurses-obese-stats-figures-survey-results-a8091781.html

364468 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #1281 of 2062 🔗

Finally FU Fullfact.

“A Department of Health report published in 2009 estimated that of the 1.2 million staff in the NHS, approximately 300,000 would be classified as obese and a further as overweight.”

https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/news/nhs-trusts-failing-tackle-staff-obesity400,000

300,000 + 400,000 = 700,000
Over 1.2 million people work for the NHS says https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce-and-business/workforce-diversity/nhs-workforce/latest

Cosmipolitan in 2020 says 1.3 million people are employed by the NHS.

So, yeah, the dancing nurses are being saved while half their work force are overweight and a quarter are obese, clinically speaking.

364489 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1282 of 2062 🔗

90,000 NHS workers off sick on any given day during the past year was recently quoted.

Hardly surprising if 300,000 are obese in demanding roles.

Keep on dancing nurses.

364457 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basics, 5, #1283 of 2062 🔗

I once witnessed 4 paramedics attending to a person in need. All of them were obese.

364467 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 5, #1284 of 2062 🔗

Domino’s are offering a free pizza to all NHS employees to express their gratitude. They might need to double the offer to satisfy the ravenous appetite of our Caring Heroes.

364602 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Richard O, 4, #1285 of 2062 🔗

They’re calling it the 999 Calzone. (<ducks bottles>)

364439 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1286 of 2062 🔗

Here’s the mask study using mannequins:

http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13860254

Last line of the report after saying how great they work especially the N95 ones:

“But he also cautioned the public “not to put too much trust in masks,””

364501 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1287 of 2062 🔗

I bet they didn’t take account of breathing and the masks becoming wet.

364531 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1288 of 2062 🔗

Where are the mucky hands touching them every few seconds?

364597 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1289 of 2062 🔗

As only dummies wear masks in shops that’s a good choice of test subject there.

364446 Portnadler, replying to Portnadler, 14, #1290 of 2062 🔗

(This is just a snippet for people who like looking for patterns and the esoteric – skip past it if it isn’t your thing.)

I think we can firmly say that the pandemic is a science thing – led by and guided by scientists. In Chinese acupuncture, this is an expression of the element metal . This element influences how people with a preponderance of “metal” think and behave: insular, self-disciplined, a little cold perhaps – our idea of the typical scientist. One of the strongest emotions associated with the metal element is grief. And the organ associated with metal (according to the ancient Chinese) is the lung .

Ironically, our scientists are battling with a huge epidemic centred on the lung itself. And yet these scientists advise against human warmth and indeed against any closeness that could prompt the expression of grief and the natural flow of tears. These scientists need to cry: they need to come to terms with grief; they need to recognise that it is through grief and closeness that we are healed, our immune systems activated and viruses put to bed.

I only looked up two scientists, just at random, Chris Whitty and Devi Sridhar. Both lost their fathers at a relatively young age. Perhaps it is time for them to come to terms with their own grief and to allow others to experience again what it is to be truly human.

364464 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Portnadler, 4, #1291 of 2062 🔗

I have thought about the TCM lung-grief connection since this began. I think there’s a correlation between the unconscious and therefore unacknowledged grief arising from (most of) the human race’s sense of utter disconnection from the rest of the web of life. Interesting about the correlation with the element of “metal” too. I’ve never got on with these types for reasons stated.

364449 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1292 of 2062 🔗

For kh1485, citizen’s advice guide to harassment, what it is, who to report it to etc:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/taking-action-about-discrimination/taking-action-about-harassment/

Definition: Harassment is when someone behaves in a way which makes you feel distressed, humiliated or threatened. – TICK

The legislation: Harassment is both a criminal offence and a civil action under the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 .

The actual law: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1997/40/enacted

Have fun.

364460 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1293 of 2062 🔗

Thanks so much AG and to everyone else who responded on my post below. kh

364454 Jane C in France, replying to Jane C in France, 10, #1294 of 2062 🔗

Here’s a link to a video I just watched of an interview in English by Dolores Cahill with a journalist from France Soir. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbC4MUQ-IjU
It was fascinating. At the end that wonderful Irish lady mentioned that she and others were in the process of setting up an airline company which will carry travellers mask free, test free and obviously vaccine free. Here is the link to that. https://www.freedomairway.com/

364456 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jane C in France, 6, #1295 of 2062 🔗

Sounds great and they MAY be able to get away with the masks bit while in the air but airports will still require masks and countries will require vaccines and tests

364463 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Julian, 1, #1296 of 2062 🔗

They will make the jab an entry requirement at passport control.

They may even limit entry to those with specific jab types.

No entry for the Sputnik or Sinovac crowd!

364510 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Julian, 6, #1297 of 2062 🔗

I think they will be only flying to destinations that are are not under the rule of medical tyranny such as Tanzania, Belarus, Florida etc…

364459 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jane C in France, 12, #1298 of 2062 🔗

Nice idea but it wont work as the Covidians control the airspace
Fake vaccine certification is the way forward

364542 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1299 of 2062 🔗

I hope so

364596 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1300 of 2062 🔗

Won’t take long. I’m sure some real smart cookies are already on it – I recall they were waxing lyrical about Google Glass when it was announced it was being made available to the public.. it was hacked before it went on sale, allowing people access to the device in real time.

364686 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1301 of 2062 🔗

Off topic I know, but why didn’t Google Glass catch on? Somebody said it was because it wasn’t possible to take a selfie with it, but I’m sure there would have been a way round that.

364455 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 8, #1302 of 2062 🔗

soooo, if a were a crazy megalomaniac with a desire for world domination and killing off the nasty environment destroying humanoids, here’s what I’d do….

first things first – get a fluffy white cat and a large chateau with a trap door to a large fish tank full of sharks for my enemies, then….

Buy up all the media outlets and hammer the masses with fear mongering propaganda about a nasty cough that will kill everyone unless they take my vaccine.

The plebs will be begging to take the experimental vaccine that, unbeknown to their trust, ignorance and gullibility, will do long term harm to their immune systems, even more harm than the rubbish the stupid fuckers eat.

over a period of 5 years after vaccination the plebs immune systems will turn against them and kill them from the inside out…

problem solved! time to eat some lentils.

Obviously I don’t believe any of that bollocks just as I don’t believe any of the bollocks our government and their ‘scientific’ advisers puke at us.

364483 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Major Panic, 7, #1303 of 2062 🔗

I’m afraid sharks are unavailable as they are on the endangered list, but we do have angry mutant sea bass.

364506 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to PhilipF, 4, #1304 of 2062 🔗

Dolphins with laser beams are available

364763 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to PhilipF, 2, #1305 of 2062 🔗

yes – shortage of sharks due to ……. yes – its the chinese again. Millions slaughtered every year all over the world – them supersized trawlers get everywhere – for the fins . pangolins. check . tigers. check . bears .. check .. you name it they will kill it

365067 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to mj, #1306 of 2062 🔗

shooda said tank full of shark fin soup

364462 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #1307 of 2062 🔗

How utterly disapointing! – wrote to my MP December urging him to vote against lockdown measures – . This is what I received on the 7th of January 2021.

I am contacting you today as you have previously contacted me about an issue relating to COVID-19. If you do not wish to receive emails of this nature, please let me know by return.

I am very pleased to announce that following discussions with the local CCG (Clinical Commissioning Group), I am able to confirm details about the vaccination rollout in the South Suffolk Constituency which will begin on Monday. I have published these details on my website at the following link: https://www.jamescartlidge.com/news/covid-vaccinations-info-south-suffolk .

As always, please do not hesitate to get in touch if I can be of any assistance.

364593 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Victoria, 2, #1308 of 2062 🔗

Your MP is as good as mine. When I wrote the reply was about the BBC licence fee. If it wasn’t sad it would be funny

364470 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 37, #1309 of 2062 🔗

Just sent to the Health and Safety Executive’s FOI team:

On your website on the 09th January 2021 was a report about how ineffective masks were for controlling viruses etc and that had been on the website since 2008.

This is the link that I used to access the report and read it on that day:

https://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr619.pdfhttps://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr619.pdf

Sometime between the 09th January 2021 and 12th January 2021 the report was removed and the link now gives a 404 error.

Under the FOI legislation please supply the following information:

1 – please supply the original report in full

2 – please supply the date and time it was removed from the website

3 – please supply the reason it was removed from the website

4 – please supply the name of the person who ordered the report’s removal from the website

5 – was this order for removal in writing or verbal?

6 – if written please supply a copy of the removal instructions

Let’s see what they eventually come back with.

364477 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1310 of 2062 🔗

could you ask them for the risk assessment of any harms that may be associated with the public wearing face coverings, are there none?

364558 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Major Panic, 13, #1311 of 2062 🔗

Already asked them for the science to support their covid safe risk assessment and what legislation they are using to justify their inspections to enforce guidance:

1 – please supply the scientific evidence that the hazards as listed on your covid-19 risk assessment can be mitigated effectively by the mitigations/actions you recommend

2 – please supply the scientific evidence that social distancing is an effective measure in combating virus transmission

3 – please supply the actual piece of legislation in English law that states social distancing is a legal requirement

4 – please supply the actual piece of legislation in English law that states anything listed as guidance or guidelines has force of law and must be followed

5 – please supply the actual piece of legislation in English law that states inspectors have the power to enforce guidance and guidelines against a business that has an independent risk assessment that is in contradiction to your hazards and recommended mitigations

Should be back in about 3 weeks.

364484 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1312 of 2062 🔗

Check on the wayback machine
or possibly archive.today for cached copies of the link

364494 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #1313 of 2062 🔗

it’s available on archive.org.
I had a quick read. I think they basically concluded surgical masks don’t offer good enough protection (shock, horror) and if you do want protection you need a respirator.

364495 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #1314 of 2062 🔗

AG has caught them red handed at it. That’s his point.

364559 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basics, 8, #1315 of 2062 🔗

Exactly, I want them to explain why it was removed.

i already know what it said.

364549 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #1316 of 2062 🔗

It wasn’t recorded on the wayback machine, I checked.

364579 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1317 of 2062 🔗

You’ve doubled up the URL.
Try:
https://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr619.pdf

This takes me to a document titled “Evaluating the protection afforded by surgical masks against influenza bioaerosols”

364586 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #1318 of 2062 🔗

Great, it’s working again.

I checked it with my original link I sent to people who replied and said it had stopped working etc and it said 404 error.

Using same original link now working.

Wonder what’s going on or am I going mad?

364476 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #1320 of 2062 🔗

Just a thought ,folks, further to KH’s story earlier and regarding any potential legal hassles we may face. Check your house insurance to see if you have family legal cover included, you may have it and not realise. Obviously, you can’t go round breaking the law and expect them to cover you for it, but it could come in useful with mickey mouse threats from councils or whoever. Just being able to say “Don’t think I won’t take legal action – I’m insured for it” can be a confidence booster.

364647 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Sam Vimes, #1321 of 2062 🔗

PCR Claims seems to be the only law firm advertising that they will take on anti-lockdown cases – though there may be more. It would be good if they were able to issue, say, a generic ‘cease and desist’ letter for a reasonable fee. Perhaps they do.

364479 Alex B, 2, #1322 of 2062 🔗

I see that Youtube has pulled The New Normal Documentary that’s linked to in the ‘Round Up’ section. Also happen.network has been taken down, the message on it’s site is: ‘we’ll be back’.
The documentary can be found here: https://www.bitchute.com/video/PhAY96MueUTQ/

364485 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 5, #1323 of 2062 🔗

Just checked the German propaganda, it is bad there!
Report of a care home were 33 +pcr tests and some illness occurred a few days after the 1st round of vaccination. One resident in hospital. No mention that it could be due to the vaccine, just that immunity is not expected until 2 weeks later. Sadly they are not offering a commenting sections as it took too much manpower to monitor it as too many Not within guidelines comments.

Meeting between the political bosses tomorrow discussing even more harsh measures, like curfew and mandatory FFP2. Which will require by law all employees to be tested by a doctor if they are capable of wearing one.

Which made me think, we are supposed to cover our mouth and nose to stop potential virus escaping from us.
FFP2 are commonly used you stop breathing in dust etc, isn’t it?
So why the change in policy?

And, if I am supposed to now PROTECT MYSELF BY WEARING A MNC, isn’t it UP TO ME TO ASSESS MY OWN RISK?

364539 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Silke David, 2, #1324 of 2062 🔗

What’s really bad is that AFAIK there has been very little “excess” death there – why are they destroying their country?

364552 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Julian, 2, #1325 of 2062 🔗

Because if they didn’t destroy their country avoiding the virus then their country might get destroyed if they had to actually deal with it.

Seems logical to me.

364571 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1326 of 2062 🔗

I guess what I meant was that here we had a noticeable spike in deaths in the peak, so that’s plausibly why our govt are so worried, or claim to be. But it didn’t happen in Germany.

364613 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, #1327 of 2062 🔗

The Germans didn’t massacre their old people

364622 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1328 of 2062 🔗

Indeed, which still makes me wonder what is driving their madness. They could just declare victory.

364646 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, #1329 of 2062 🔗

I think it proves there is a higher hand.There is no reasonable rationale for the Germans to commit economic suicide.

364784 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1330 of 2062 🔗

Maybe, though why a country like Germany would go along with anything like that, goodness knows

364746 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Julian, #1331 of 2062 🔗

I was being my usual sarcastic self but it doesn’t always come across well in text.

The logic is that if you don’t allow something to happen you can always claim success and that it was necessary even if it was never going to be the case.

364782 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, #1332 of 2062 🔗

Unfalsifiable claims, indeed

364486 Jane C in France, replying to Jane C in France, 20, #1333 of 2062 🔗

Here we now have a curfew at six o’clock. The curfew at eight o’clock wasn’t good enough apparently. The thing is, six o’clock is just the time at the end of a hard day’s work that people might meet up for a drink. Don’t know how they’re going to do that since the bars are all shut, but they might. So that must be discouraged. My son went back to university anyway about nine o’clock in the evening. He printed out an attestation and ticked long distance transport. So that was all right. Another option is walking the dog. He doesn’t have a dog, but he thought he might buy a lead and pretend the dog had run away. You can be creative with an attestation.

364536 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jane C in France, 9, #1334 of 2062 🔗

A relative reported dogs with multiple owners became a thing in Italy during their initial lockdown

364709 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Julian, 1, #1335 of 2062 🔗

I’m beginning to love Italians more and more…

364590 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Jane C in France, #1336 of 2062 🔗

So what about the cinq a sept? There’ll be a few disappointed French mistresses.

364497 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 25, #1337 of 2062 🔗

Hooray – found my “church”!

The LeftLockdownSceptics website: https://leftlockdownsceptics.com has had 400 subscribers in their first week. Some of the feedback they’ve received:

For those of us on the Left who oppose the sociopathic policies being enacted, we have suffered from not just the social isolation and atomisation of lockdown itself, but also the political isolation from the vast majority of the Left, or rather the so-called Left.It is important to know, however, that you are not alone. There are many leftists and socialists up and down the country, and indeed across the world, who feel the same way.

Below we reproduce a small subset of the messages of support we have received over the last week, with permission from the authors. This is not only to spread solidarity and confidence in the traditional sense, but in these times should be considered a kind of therapy for your mental health and well-being. The ruling class will pay for its crimes against working people, but for them to do so we must get organised. And in order to get organised, we need a common framework of understanding and a programme of action. We hope this site will act as the catalyst for both.

Messages of solidarity:

“Good to see some alternative science with the label ‘left’. I have been feeling very uncomfortable finding myself aligned with the Tory hard right.” -Katharine

“Finally, my people! I wept last night at the futility of this situation…lockdown sceptics have been a beacon, but they’re not necessarily my people. I’m appalled at the gullible nature of my friends and acquaintances who i would class as left-leaning, at how they’re perpetuating this ‘non-existence’…i hope to find some like minded souls. I have been too fearful of being labelled a granny-killer to openly question the harms lockdowns do, i am especially motivated with regards to children (i work in education settings with vulnerable teenagers)… i cannot see where this nightmare ends, but i know for many, it ends in a much worse place than where it started.” -Sarah

“I am an old socialist who from day one has seen that an hysterical main stream media, so-called experts giving wild worst case scenario misinformation, governments scared of a bad headline and a brainwashed population have driven the world to unnecessary lockdowns which in themselves have killed thousands.” -Geoff

“Thank you. As a person of the left, I was so happy to find this group. I am tired of being tarred as a right wing loon, because I won’t support a futile policy that, among other things, is going to trigger a famine that will kill MILLIONS. How did we get to a place where socialists are applauding censorship and venerating the likes of Bill Gates?” -Heather

“I find your observations a breath of fresh air because I am a lifelong socialist and have been feeling quite isolated in recent times. The more I read and research the more I’m convinced that this media narrative is big pharma driven, unfortunately, most socialists I know are totally on board with it. We need the left to unite and oppose this unscientific, profit-driven, nonsense.” -Stuart

364509 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Melangell, 8, #1338 of 2062 🔗

Neo Liberals are not Left wing
Just as Neo Conservatives are not Right wing
They are both bloodthirsty Corporatist limpets that have attached themselves to each “side”

364516 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Melangell, 21, #1339 of 2062 🔗

Best Wishes to you all at leftlockdownsceptics.

This is the biggest issue of our time. If we are united on this, then perhaps we are not as different as we think after all

‘They’ are always trying to divide us – black vs white, women vs men etc etc.

Each of us sat at home alone is the ultimate expression of ‘divide and rule’.

364524 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Melangell, 4, #1340 of 2062 🔗

When I first glanced at the url I immediately assumed this was a forum for people who used to be on here but have since been converted into the Covid Cult by the relentless propaganda.

364641 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Melangell, 4, #1341 of 2062 🔗

Splitters …

364500 number 6, replying to number 6, 25, #1342 of 2062 🔗

Have to be careful here, The Walls Have Ears etc.
This Sunday I had to deliver an item of temporary furniture to a person who is soon moving house. This involved a 4 mile drive towards the centre of London, to an area that has been partially “Gentrified”, although in inner city boundaries between differing social classes may only be a few streets / blocks. In recent days we have been presented with images of various ministers cycling or playing with their kids in parks, so after the delivery had been made a walk in a local (central London) park was indicated. There one immediately recognised a totally alien prospect, similar to the way things used to be. Few masks, No swervers, All ages, Families with children sitting drinking their Costa’s on the P++++ic t****s whilst the kids playing on the adventure apparatus, sure there must have been multiple households as well. Saw how intelligent the Wuhan Flu is as the café totally of limits next door to the crowded children’s adventure playground with its family tables, obviously the café would have been deadly in such circumstances. Pity, didn’t come across any .gov Ministers.
Had a nice walk, giving thumbs up to those attempting to use the boarded up adult exercise apparatus, saw one disinterested Warden on his mobile, back to the car marvelling at the normal people walking the pavements, and home to the Tin Foil Helmet brigade!

364553 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to number 6, 9, #1343 of 2062 🔗

True 6, we went to sunny Southend on sea yesterday. It was very busy Mostly unmasked, very few. Lovely walk with our dog. Seafront car parks have been shut, fucking great stay at home LED signs every hundred yards. But everyone just ignoring them. Had to park in the shopping car park but no problem. Only one idiot women did the swerve and also pulled her scarf over her nose and mouth. Did not look pleased when I burst out laughing! People know its crazy, they know it won’t kill them. If we had one if those #iopen things going on it could all come crashing down.

364502 Basics, replying to Basics, 25, #1344 of 2062 🔗

I propose that we ask NHS staff to lose weight rather than entertain/offend the nation with dance routines.

This would be of greater benefit to their in this together belief.

364530 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Basics, 2, #1345 of 2062 🔗

dancing = weight loss

364628 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1346 of 2062 🔗

Ah yes my logic skewered. However, physical exercise is not enough on it’s own for weight loss. Good food is required too.

Otherwise, have I just researched my way into being thankful for the dancing, I’m feeling an urge to, go to, my doorstep, and, clap.

364724 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Basics, 2, #1347 of 2062 🔗

Reduced calorie intake is crucial. In 2019 I did a lot of walking but still put on weight until I cut down on calories, especially carbohydrates like bread.

364538 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Basics, 9, #1348 of 2062 🔗

My mother (aged 80) has said in the past ‘wouldn’t you think the doctors would tell the nurses to lose weight’. I had to politely tell her she is liable to be ‘no platformed’!

364582 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #1349 of 2062 🔗

the docs are round the back chuffing on their fags

364608 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1350 of 2062 🔗

It’s a fine point – both of them.

364631 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Basics, 1, #1351 of 2062 🔗

Yes, the real irony of this pandemic is whilst everyone is terminally afraid its’ not motivated them to get off their lard arse to lose weight.

364508 Ewan Duffy, 3, #1352 of 2062 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/news/second-maternity-hospital-gave-covid-19-vaccine-to-family-members-of-staff-39981610.html

Anyone in Ireland who hasn’t realised that this isn’t about “keeping people safe” but keeping those who work for the State in a privileged position probably shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

364512 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 15, #1353 of 2062 🔗

Sorry if this has already been posted but darn useful to print out and keep in pocket if challenged:

The first case of face mask discrimination was resolved with £7,000 being paid to the claimant. Kester Disability Rights has the details at https://disabilityrights.org.uk/first-face-mask-discrimination-case-nets-7-000

A disabled woman assisted by Kester Disability Rights has been paid £7,000 in compensation by a service provider who refused her access to a service because she was unable to wear a face mask.
The pay-out was achieved through negotiation as there was no dispute that access had been denied, or that the Claimant had a disability exemption. The only thing to be agreed was the amount of compensation, not whether it was due or not.

364537 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Melangell, 21, #1354 of 2062 🔗

Just reposting this from this morning. Received this from Tesco’s Chief Executive’s office:

Hi K
Thank you for your email.
Yes you’re right, just saying you are exempt is enough, no further conversation is necessary.
Kind regards,

Customer Service Specialist
On behalf of the Executive’s Office
Tel: 0800 072 6685

364591 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 7, #1355 of 2062 🔗

Well, that wasn’t too hard, was it, Tesco? You should have asked any of us, we’ve known that for almost six months, because we can read.

Go get ’em, KH.

364619 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1356 of 2062 🔗

I channelled my inner AG!

364650 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 6, #1357 of 2062 🔗

And this … a victory:

364667 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 7, #1358 of 2062 🔗

That’s my bloody girl! So proud of everyone on here pushing back. Without you, it becomes normalised.

364644 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1359 of 2062 🔗

I think I read somewhere that the ‘mask’ (no longer ‘face-covering’ note) crack-down arose from a certain ‘Mr. Vaccine’ being frustrated by Parliament and having words directly with CEOs. The CEOs would most certainly know the legal nightmare they would exposed to if they actually went along with the demands of them, hence the compliance with the legislation.

364604 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Melangell, #1360 of 2062 🔗

In response to https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-kicked-out-sainsburys-police-23335070 on another site someone has posted
“The government website states “Those who have an age, health or disability reason not to wear a face covering should not be routinely asked to provide any written evidence of this.”
Therefore the Police can ask if they think someone is pretending. “

The use of the word “routinely” suggests that anyone can ask providing they don’t do it on a blanket basis. Thoughts, please.

364626 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1361 of 2062 🔗

And how the fuck do they judge if someone is pretending? Do I need to go in with an oxygen cyclinder in a wheelchair to be believed. How are they the arbiters of what classifies an exemption?

364662 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1362 of 2062 🔗

The LAW says nothing at all about challenging exemption. Not one word. It lists exemptions and says the list is ‘not exhaustive’. The LAW mentions officers ‘considering’ that you are refusing, which is a bit weaselly, but if you are exempt, you are not refusing. Da Capo.

364943 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to arfurmo, #1363 of 2062 🔗

arfurmo . Not correct. If you check the actual regulations only a police officer, police community support officer or transport police officer can ask for details of a reason said person is exempt, and I don’t remember any reference to written details either. This would be impossible for most to provide because there has been no disability register for decades and many doctors would not be willing or able to provide an exemption certificate due to being advised by the medical council not to do so, as it places them in a difficult position which could be legally challenged. Plus not all exemptions are medical in nature of course. LS newsletter provided a useful link to this website previously: http://www.laworfiction.com .

364525 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 19, #1364 of 2062 🔗

Make influenza great again!

Anyone paying attention to the complete and utter takeover of Flu and Pneumonia by Coroni (to the extent that the former are now virtually eradicated) will be heartened by the goings on in Vienna, at the weekend. Hundreds of thousands of demonstrators out on the streets chanting against lock downs and restrictions. One of the major chants was ‘ Make influenza great again’…… Doesn’t it warm the cockles of your heart??

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-austria-protests/thousands-march-in-vienna-against-coronavirus-restrictions-idUSKBN29L0LA

364657 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #1365 of 2062 🔗

Thanks, my first belly laugh of the day! I didn’t know Austrians were known for their sense of humour.

“Make influenza great again!” I love that!

First Italians, now Austrians, giving us some hope…

364757 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ken Gardner, #1366 of 2062 🔗

They are cheerier than Germans but lack the reputation for efficiency.

364916 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1367 of 2062 🔗

Wasn’t there an exception back in the 1930s? Can’t think of his name…

364526 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 8, #1368 of 2062 🔗

New mutant variations? Boogah boogah boogah!

In March 2020 there were about 78,000 SARS-CoV-19 variants throughout the world, with at least 300 in the UK. Now there are likely to be many, many more – possibly twice or more pro rata. We also know that the crude case fatality rate has dropped from about 20% in April 2020 to around 2% in September, ie the virus is mutating to a more benign endemic form, similar to the other coronavirii that bother people during the flu season.

So we are supposed to be sacred of one or two recent variants? Only courtesy of the Mad Modeller and His Band of Imbeciles, playing their one hit tune Never Been Right And Never Will.

364688 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Ken Garoo, #1369 of 2062 🔗

“We also know that the crude case fatality rate has dropped from about 20% in April 2020 to around 2% in September”

Do we?

364697 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Ken Garoo, 2, #1370 of 2062 🔗

Viruses usually mutate to a more benign form – it is in their own interest.

364747 ▶▶▶ jayp, replying to Ken Gardner, 2, #1371 of 2062 🔗

Their endgame is to become endemic , to do that it needs to infect a lot but not kill them , how come we know that but they don’t ?

364770 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #1372 of 2062 🔗

Germany have now MAYBE found their own mutation with an outbreak in Garmisch.
And they have made such a ho-ha about the British and RSA strain and not getting it into the country. HA!

364540 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 17, #1373 of 2062 🔗

This is interesting. Sorry if already posted.

https://twitter.com/GiladSugarman/status/1351140791490666497

Huge update from Israel..According to reports in the media, Isreal’s Research Ethics Committee is about to declare that our country’s agreement with Pizzer and vaccination rollout a human clinical trial, requiring an explicit and detailed authorization. Which was not obtained.

364575 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Basileus, 3, #1374 of 2062 🔗

and its going to get even more interesting i suspect

364696 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Basileus, #1375 of 2062 🔗

Be careful with those links – you’ll be called anti-semitic. Thanks for posting.

364561 ▶▶ Julian, replying to wendyk, 7, #1377 of 2062 🔗

And people who breathe heavily or talk while walking

364566 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Julian, 2, #1378 of 2062 🔗

Indeed!

364633 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Julian, 3, #1379 of 2062 🔗

I think we should cut out the middle man, go radical and stop breathing altogether. 65 million years ago the dinosaurs took a similarly radical decision. It was nothing to do with a meteorite hit.

364945 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1380 of 2062 🔗

Haha

364581 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to wendyk, 5, #1381 of 2062 🔗

Author: Trish Greenhalgh. Mask maniac well known on Twitter. Insane.

Hope that helps, lol.

364610 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 301 of lockdown), replying to wendyk, 4, #1382 of 2062 🔗

Made me laugh when after about 30 seconds a pop up appeared:

For news coverage based on evidence, not alarm. Sign up to our newsletter.

364634 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to wendyk, 1, #1383 of 2062 🔗

It’s almost unbelievable. She’s out of her mind. One of the comments really nails it, noting her conflicts of interest. The Conversation has been rubbish for quite some time and is not improving. It’s usually a place for sanctimonious nonsense from second-rate academic people who struggle to get published in peer-reviewed places. The bit about ‘solidarity’ speaks volumes about mask mandates – it’s all about the sanctimonious left imposing its woke values on others. There’s nothing scientific here at all, as is so often the case with the Rona episode.

365006 ▶▶ iansn, replying to wendyk, #1384 of 2062 🔗

total unadulterated bollox

364543 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #1385 of 2062 🔗

Answering The Rule of Pricks question 5 hours ago:

I did:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Agv7JEO8MngCilfDSH0wnbFMnZoQ?e=hEjzda

Similar e-mail to Devi Sridhar and Neil O’Brien, my MP, Hancock, the bumbling buffoon and idiot Starmer.

No answers so far.

364560 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1386 of 2062 🔗

could you as Devi why she is qualified to get involved?

364568 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Major Panic, 5, #1387 of 2062 🔗

She’s neither scientifically nor medically qualified to make any comment over and above having an informed opinion like all of us on here.

364645 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1388 of 2062 🔗

That, Sir, is not a letter. It is no less than the Free Englishman’s Charter. You are Sean Connery at the end of Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.

365004 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1389 of 2062 🔗

an outstanding letter AG 1000 upticks

365176 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, #1390 of 2062 🔗

Awesome letter!
Don’t hold your breath.

364545 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 20, #1391 of 2062 🔗

Handsy is such a sanctimonious twat isn’t he?

364583 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 11, #1392 of 2062 🔗

Yes. And also, notwithstanding my objection to this vaccine, I find it hugely distasteful this continued reference to “getting as may jabs in as many arms as possible”

364599 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to kh1485, 7, #1393 of 2062 🔗

His manner is very disturbing to say the least.

364614 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #1394 of 2062 🔗

And he still looks about 12. You’d think with the horrors he has unleashed on the country, he could have at least aged a bit.

364836 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kh1485, 5, #1395 of 2062 🔗

That photo of him at the weekend in the park – he looks like he’s been on bloody holiday for 6 weeks, not guiding us through the worstest most atrociously unprecedented pandemic ever known to man.

365166 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, #1396 of 2062 🔗

He’s loving it!

364692 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to kh1485, 2, #1397 of 2062 🔗

Yes, it’s become the latest in a series of distasteful obsessions. What will Wee Willie Winkie do once all the Covid excitement is over?

364706 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 3, #1398 of 2062 🔗

Yes I agree it’s so distasteful, and this phraseology belittles the vaccine as if it is an everyday medicine when it’s not!

364834 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kh1485, 3, #1399 of 2062 🔗

Yes – in his head those arms aren’t actually connected to real, living, breathing people with thoughts, feelings and fears. They’re just things that need to be jabbed, with whatever comes to hand.

364600 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1400 of 2062 🔗

is master is very pleased

364570 Jesus, replying to Jesus, 20, #1401 of 2062 🔗

I wonder if some content editor at the BBC news website is trolling us sceptics? Today they’ve published an article on female Nazi concentration camp guards, ordinary women doing horrific things. The elderly interviewee, who survived the horrors, says, “I think they were ordinary women doing diabolical things. I think it’s possible with loads of people, even in England. I think that can happen anywhere. It can happen here if it’s allowed.”

The paragraph finishes with, ‘It’s a chilling lesson for today, she believes.’

I’m thinking the majority of BBC news readers won’t get the irony….

364605 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Jesus, 6, #1402 of 2062 🔗

is that the – soon to be defunded then funded by uncle bill – BBC

364621 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Major Panic, 6, #1403 of 2062 🔗

Yep, World Service getting £20million from BG.
Such a shame – a few years ago the World Service was world class – in my opinion. Has helped me get through my insomnia for years, and now I cannot listen to it – as packed with propaganda as all their other stations.

364630 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jo, 5, #1404 of 2062 🔗

It has always been. Perhaps a little more subtle in the past.
I worked for the BBC at one time. It may be telling that by and large my colleagues preferred Channel 4 news.

364672 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Jo, #1405 of 2062 🔗

Oh God no! Not the world service! Is nothing sacred.

364940 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Jo, 1, #1406 of 2062 🔗

He is buying out the world!

364611 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Jesus, 6, #1407 of 2062 🔗

I said a few months ago, I think there is an underground sceptic working for the BBC, pushing out the odd prog which they hope, subliminally, will get through to people what is really going on.
I heard one such programme on Radio 4 extra this morning, called turf wars.

Arthur and Olivia take the sun in their local park on a beautiful summer’s day. Olivia is reading a newspaper article on their country’s new-found independence. It seems that no-one knows quite what the terms are for the secession. Arthur couldn’t care less. He’s apolitical and just enjoying watching the ducks.
Suddenly a soldier arrives, dragging a tape across the ground, marking out the new border. He barges between the two young lovers. Now one is on one side of the new border, and one on the other!
Arthur’s attempt to cross is met with a stun-gun jolt from the guard, who has as little understanding of the new rules as the couple. He just knows he has been trained to be suspicious of everyone who isn’t from ‘this country’ which now includes Arthur!

Although it doesn’t sound from the write up above as if it’s particularly on topic, if you listen to it, there are phrases right out of this panicdemic. Perhaps I am just too over-climatized that I am reading too much into things.

364923 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Jo, 1, #1408 of 2062 🔗

The writer of the New Year episode of Dr Who was definitely a lockdown sceptic

364624 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jesus, 3, #1409 of 2062 🔗

“It can never happen here…”

364574 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 8, #1410 of 2062 🔗

About a week ago some commenters here were waiting to hear the results of a Porton Down investigtion of vaccines . Wasn’t it about the probability of transmission of infection post vaccination?
Don’t remember seeing any further mention of it here in the last few days, and I don’t listen to or view the BBC News. I am sure the latter would have mentioned the results if they confirmed that the vaccines do in fact prevent onward transmission of infection.

364670 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to mikewaite, 1, #1411 of 2062 🔗

Oooh! I’d be interested to see that one!

364587 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #1412 of 2062 🔗

Still pushing asymptomatic testing.
“Dr Susan Hopkins, chief medical adviser to NHS Test and Trace, says lateral flow tests are being rolled out throughout the country to allow people to get tested when they are asymptomatic.
She says that more than 37,000 cases have been detected over the last few weeks using lateral flow testing.”

364594 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to p02099003, 7, #1413 of 2062 🔗

Heh, I went to get a test to have in hand in case I needed to comply with a travel mandate.

The physician said, “You’re asymptomatic, why the heck do you want a test?”

Good doctor.

I have since realized this King’s travel mandate is unenforceable.

364607 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1414 of 2062 🔗

A small victory for common sense…

364673 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to awildgoose, 6, #1415 of 2062 🔗

That doctor is seriously off message. In New Normal Medicine, the asymptomatic (and definitely infected, you have my word as a politician) are the worst cases to deal with. There are simply so many of them.

364665 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to p02099003, 3, #1416 of 2062 🔗

I in Lincolnshire, where we have never ever had anything of worth given to us by central government. Labour hate us, and the Cons know well return a dead trout in a blue rosette at rhe polls. My litmus test is therefore if we get it, then its junk. We have had a PCR testing station for some time in my town, and we are getting a lateral flow testing site this week. I think we all know what that means…

364862 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1417 of 2062 🔗

handcock is your MP?

364589 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 14, #1418 of 2062 🔗

I’ve figured it out.

Those (like me) who will not take this vaccine under any circumstances will not be held down by some soldiers and jabbed.

They’ll be locked in a cell and and they will be played Handjob’s press conference bollocks till they scream, “Okay, I’ll take the jab! Just make it stop!”

The health secretary says he is “inspired” by the ways people are helping one another in this “great national effort”.

“Do not blow it now. We are on the route out. We have to stick at it.”

“Thank you for all that you’re doing,” he says. “Being there for each other is so important in these difficult days.”

Nooooooo!

364615 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1419 of 2062 🔗

imagine the challenge of finding a corrupt money grabbing GP to put you on the vaccinated list system – near impossible – but I’m up for the challenge

364801 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1420 of 2062 🔗

You’d want the lifetime subscription version mind. It’s a repeat treat. (Sorry the price has gone up since last time etc.)

364911 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1421 of 2062 🔗

I’m sure their will be some sheeple who would welcome the opportunity to get themselves some extra vaccine protection by taking our places at the appointment. They would probably pay us for the privilege.

They don’t check ID other than asking for your address.

364623 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1422 of 2062 🔗

In 2013, people in Turkey who were arrested at demos were sometimes forced to listen to Tayyip Erdoğan’s public speeches as a form of psychological torture.

364681 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Waldorf, 2, #1423 of 2062 🔗

Moazzam Begg is a Pakistani Englishman arrested by the CIA in early 2000s; he related his experiences in UK press interviews a few years ago. Among the CIA’s chief torture methods was putting Bee Gees disco tracks on full blast for hours at a time.

364718 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1424 of 2062 🔗

I met him once at a conference I was organising.
Re torture methods, I think torturers compare notes and use each other’s brilliant wheezes. Some are very old – the good cop/bad cop routine was known to the Elizabethans. They would give someone a few turns on the rack and then someone else would come in and talk quietly to the object of the exercise, trying to get him or occasionally her to confess and cooperate.

364778 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #1425 of 2062 🔗

I’d actually like that! Staying Alive especially.

364868 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #1426 of 2062 🔗

I think Night Fever is a known covid symptom

364632 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ceriain, #1427 of 2062 🔗

They’re doing their Churchill thingy

364666 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1428 of 2062 🔗

aka Cruel and Unusual Punishment.

Therefore deffo it will be done.

364701 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1429 of 2062 🔗

He certainly hasn’t let us be there for each other. Don’t forget Handcock you banned us from social interaction!!!

364824 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1430 of 2062 🔗

BUT IT’S ILLEGAL TO BE THERE FOR EACH OTHER YOU W*NKER!!

364595 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 22, #1431 of 2062 🔗

Wonder why I’m not getting answers to this question to MPs etc:

“Is the recent big rise in “positive tests” have anything to do with the recent influenza and covid-19 vaccination programmes?

Is anyone raising this point in Parliament? Is Government even researching this possibility? In the test kit manufacturer’s paperwork itself it states this is a definite possibility and has been observed in both Portugal and Israel recently so why continue with the “more are infected” when it could just be a reaction to the body’s immune response to the recently received vaccination unless it is to keep the scary numbers higher than they really are?”

364618 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1432 of 2062 🔗

AG – you’ll be up for many medals at the end of this

364652 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1434 of 2062 🔗

This one gives me a bitter laugh as we are reminded by a disclaimer that correlation doesn’t mean causation. Even though some of the dodgiest lockdown edicts are born from observations that don’t even have the benefit of correlation, let alone causation (masks being one).

https://peerj.com/articles/10112/

364664 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1435 of 2062 🔗

They probably have the strategy of ignoring questions that put them in a difficult position with nothing in it for them.

364887 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Ken Garoo, #1436 of 2062 🔗

It’s true. I wrote two letters to my MP. The second (useless) response I received contained cut and paste text from his first reply to my first letter.

364908 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1437 of 2062 🔗

I am going to be really cynical here…
Is it a coincidence that next to no one got vaccinated for flu at the proper time in the autumn, but now that there is growing evidence that the flu vaccine can make you more susceptible to covid, everyone has magically just received an invite to get their flu jab? Is that level of evil beyond them?

365159 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #1438 of 2062 🔗

I’d spotted that too. Apart from the fact that it’s the wrong time of year to be getting the flu jab. You’re supposed to have it before winter.

364601 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 31, #1439 of 2062 🔗

Anyone in Cornwall? Know any big blokes?

Matt Hancock says he is going to Cornwall for his summer holidays and says: “I think we are going to have a great British summer”.

You know what to do. 😉

364606 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1440 of 2062 🔗

I’m just across the border. Don’t know where he’s going exactly.

364620 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1441 of 2062 🔗

or little blokes

364627 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1442 of 2062 🔗

I do. I’m going to invite him for a traditional family Cornish cream tea, all sitting together in a nice cosy Cornish cafe*, no masks, no spacing, no hand washing.

  • Oops, they will all have closed down. What a pity!
364629 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ceriain, 11, #1443 of 2062 🔗

How did he survive that walk in the park, not one person even had a tomato or egg on hand

364640 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1444 of 2062 🔗

he was protected by an innocent child

365146 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Major Panic, #1445 of 2062 🔗

and probably two goons lurking in the background …..

364635 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1446 of 2062 🔗

“Cornwall” will have been renamed “Tier 3 Sector A Zone B” by then. Border restrictions will of course not apply to government ministers.