2021-01-19

10,000 Austrian’s Take To The Streets Vienna / Hugo Talks #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyTrQbWpe_4&list=WL&index=62

Twitter’s alternative Parler was growing fast. Then the liberals came for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_E2_JL2QXA&list=WL&index=61
TFIglobal

Gab still working if you use Opera, can’t access it on Firefox today.

Bin Firefox: They are part of the problem. I don’t use Gab but there is a fair chance that it will work under the Vivaldi browser too. Brave might also be worth a look.

https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/bcjlgq/firefox_and_chrome_banning_gabs_dissenter_where/

Or Dissenter (from Gab) a modified Brave I believe. Seems pretty good, blocks lots of stuff too so I don’t have to bother zapping it with CCleaner Pro.

Gab works on Brave. It’s faster now as well. It was impossibly slow earlier due to rapid expansion of users.

There’s a new kid on the block, CloutHub.

Yes, lots are dropping Firefox after they, in a similar vein to the social media giants, issued statements where they talked about even further measures to take down “bad actors”. they threw in a rant about institutional racism and white privilege too… Firefox are certainly no bastion of liberty.

still working on ff and chrome for me

Use Dissenter from Gab – it’s a stripped down fork of Brave

you guys are speaking a foreign language…if you had said to me 30 years ago somebody would be saying in 2021 “Use Dissenter from Gab…its a stripped down fork of Brave”?…I would have thought I was going MAD

Well, you still could be.

UK Freedom Certificates / More Swedish Nurses Refusing the Shot / NY Ban on Body Armour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZJCAAW2tik

UK Gov has “no plans” to introduce freedom certificates. How about a yellow star?
Sanity 4 Sweden

In a recent email to the Irish Taoiseach (Prime Minister) I did suggest that as the sheeple received their “vaccine”, they could have their PPS (Personal Public Service) number tattooed on their arm at the same time.

Wow. Historical ignorance at its finest.

Turn your sarcasm-detector on.

Yes and the German’s talking about internment. Sorry detention Camps for breaking rules! Talk about not understanding your own history.

! BONKERS! Lockdown News Roundup / Hugo talks #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1s2bU4qccQ

Hancock is a disgrace. Lockdown and other extreme restrictions look like being here forever if he isn’t stopped.

Vive la revolution

So true – in the past, the second paragraph would have been a joke: not any more!

I just want him dead. Are you shocked?

saddened but not surprised. Has anyone told him how many deaths his cruel and unhinged policies could be responsible for?

I fancy a holiday in February or March. Any suggestions? Is there any sort of lockdown sceptic version of Airbnb? Any good days out if I can’t stay anywhere? I hear Otley’s nice at this time of year…

My holiday cottage is available in March, Darsham Suffolk, close to the coast and AONB.

Is there any chance. you could post a link to your cottage.

This would be a good idea as I’m sure some places are going to insist people are vaccinated in order to stay.

The Freedom Network https://www.thefreedomnetwork.co.uk/ is setting up a register of holiday homes / apartments / BnBs / etc.

Good. Couldn’t see any mention of it though. I’ll watch out for it.

That’s great, thanks.

Another one bites the dust and it’s Nigel Farage

He’d gone a bit quiet and I was curious so looked to see what he’s been saying. He’s still twatting on about Brexit, of course, because that horse is never too dead to flog. And he’s been back-pedalling on Trump and the Capitol so fast, the chafing from the soles of his Union Jack shoes has set fire to a number of buildings. But I noticed the following recent shifts.

1) He applauds the government for tackling “foreign flights” (he means “shutting down the airlines”), but says it’s “ten months too late”.

2) He blasts, or slams – or whatever mononeuronal verb the media would prefer – migrants for demonstrating “in defiance of covid restrictions”.

So the whole “reinvention” of his party was just an opportunistic shuffle. To be fair, many of you on here told me this when I prematurely celebrated his sudden conversion to anti-lockdownism. I was wrong and you were right. His sole obsession remains hostility to the wrong kind of immigrant (which to Nigel means the non-shaggable ones). This has the following paradoxical consequence, which would be funny if matters weren’t so serious.

When lockdown disempowers, disconnects and kills British people, he bleats about freedom.

When lockdown disempowers, disconnects and kills would-be British people, he is magically transformed into Comrade Duch.

I therefore revert to the opinion I had of him up to about 2018: he’s a devious chancer with the conscience of a malaria parasite, wearing the disguise (possibly confusing even to himself) of an unstoppable buffoon.

For the record, I voted Remain, but was revolted by the antics of the remainers and Barnier et al, so that from 2018 to 2020 I would have voted Leave, and now I would vote to guillotine the entire political class.

Worth quoting in full, I think, what it says on be carton of my favourite “food”:

“The EU has set a legal limit of 20mg/kg amygdalin content for apricot kernels being sold as a food product.

“Creative Nature’s Apricot Kernels contain approximately 150mg/kg amygdalin content and are therefore not allowed to be sold as a food any more.

“Please be aware, this product is not for human consumption. It is a cosmetic ingredient used to make natural face masks [lol] and exfoliating body scrubs.”

It should be noted that apricot kernels are reputed to protect against, and heal, cancer. Whether or no, I have been taking several a day for years and have suffered neither cancer nor any ill effects from taking them, and therefore suspect some sort of skullduggery (as Phillip Day indicated years before this ban).
The EU were doing too many things like that for my money, and were too easily manipulated by big business and big pharma.

Still, I suppose our own politicians won’t necessarily be any better. I can’t emphasize enough that Big Pharma has waged a sophisticated profiteering campaign involving politicians, universities, scientists, charities etc. promoting their patented products (vaccines and so on) and smearing inexpensive natural remedies when they can.

The EU is obsessed with the elimination of risk and pursues a relentless campaign of regulating all creativity and dissent out of existence. It presides over the perfume industry like the Angel of Death, for example, arbitrarily banning ingredients for being “allergens”. Nobody really makes a fuss about this except perfumers and people (like myself) who are fascinated by fragrance, but it’s a cardinal example of how they are determined to squeeze all the joy out of life in the name of making things “safer”. In another sphere, I believe it’s thanks to the EU that we have to put up with the ridiculous hoop-jumping of “accepting cookies” to visit a website. As if everyone didn’t already know what cookies were and how to deal with them. Maybe the computer-illiterate EU Commissioner who first had them explained to him thought cookies were a potentially allergenic foodstuff.

Well it’s obsessed with eliminating the risk of another European war anyway, this is its very raison d’etre (sorry, I don’t know how to do a circumflex accent).
I suppose this fear might naturally spread over to other areas. Sadly we are still suffering from the traumas of the second world war. I seem to remember that lead pipe organs were to be destroyed because of lead being poisonous (despite lead in organ pipes constituting no real risk). I think they got a reprieve in the end. Perhaps they’ll eliminate the risk of a virus. Or perhaps not. And if there has never been a vaccine successfully developed against coronaviruses before, one has to wonder how likely the current ones are to be successful in this crop of rushed “vaccines”, and what long term problems there may be – I don’t see how anyone can possibly know. Oh well, so long as people aren’t forced to take them, and know the risks…

Remarkable how the nations of Southeast Asia have struggled through for decades without going to war. (I know, there are exceptions, like East Timor, but they don’t really measure up to what the EU achieved in the former Yugoslavia.) Somehow I don’t think it’s ASEAN that has kept the peace.

No, it,s not gun ownership that has lead to the so-called United States being more violent either. 100 odd years ago, I seem to remember hearing, lots of people in the UK owned guns but it was a remarkably peaceful society. There are always cultural factors, which will tend to trump the efforts of politicians and international organisations. Similarly, politicians can’t really control a virus…

There are probably still quite a few guns around in trunks, up in the loft, left over from the war. When my grandfather went into a home he remembered that he had a bomb in one of his sheds. If he hadn’t warned us we wouldn’t have known.

Well, the enormous KABOOM would have been a bit of a giveaway …

ASEAN is a useless talking shop. I should know because I come from one of Thailand’s neighbours – the one with over 7,000 islands.

As for not going to war, I suspect a lot of it is down to each of the member states having its own insurgency and separatist problems. My home country for a start has both, plus don’t forget horrendous natural calamities such as typhoons and floodings.

Hey Bart, did not know that you were from the Philippines. I spend a lot of time in Manila when I worked for the FT after I left the service. Beautiful country, lovely people, great place to play basketball and eat a roast pig after:-)

Yes I am. So glad I no longer live there but yeah, I do miss the roast pig.

And very pleased that you had a great experience there. Shame the Philippines doesn’t really factor in the radar of Brits when they go on holiday in SE Asia.

aha i thought it was Indonesia – didn’t know Philippines had so many islands also! It’s on my bucket list to visit – if i can ever get off this nasty little island!

Indonesia has more, roughly 13,000

The Philippines is a wonderful place to visit. Not to live (but that’s just me).

Vietnam?

Not disputing the fact that there are a lot of people who do believe in the idea that the EU somehow prevents war, it is nevertheless nonsense and always was. It was the Cold War that prevented open war in EEC/EU Europe for most of the post-WW2 period, and all the EU can possibly do is shift the prospect of war from international wars to civil wars/wars of resistance within the EU superstate once it has been fully established.

The latter are almost inevitable imo if the project continues.

I felt this was an excellent recent discussion of the situation wrt Brexit and the EU, though I’m by no means saying I agree with all the opinions expressed:

Cambridge Historian Prof. Robert Tombs: Why Britain Chose Brexit

Oh absolutely, and it is ironic that the EU (or its predecessor The European Coal and Steel Community) was set up to prevent war, particularly war between France and Germany. And the only thing that saved West Germany from being invaded by Soviet forces was the presence of large numbers of American troops.

Looking at the fate of so many former Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries, I can only hope that a similar fate does not await current members of the similarly forced confederation the EU where resentment has similarly been stirred up, in the future.

People who take large doses of it certainly don’t die of cancer!

At the end of the day hes a politician, his values reflect opinion polls.

How anybody could have been taken in by Farage and his faux “I’m one of the (working class)lads has always been a mystery to me.
You are always hearing about the left wing patronising attitude to the working class but the right wing commentators like Mike Graham, Richard Littlejohn and others who have never had any idea of working class life are equally as bad.

There is probably considerable overlap with those that think Johnson is ‘a good laugh, one of the lads, etc’, all as carefully constructed as Thatcher’s hairdo/voice.

Farage ıs basically a Tory in exile which he would like to end – rather like George Galloway is a Labour politician in exile. Galloway will not be accepted back into the fold, but Farage might be.

Gorgeous & Nige, have one other thing in common they’re both narcissists. But at least Farage is more of a libertarian, Galloway wanted harder longer deeper lockdowns. If he had his way we would still be in april 2020s lockdown the only person allowed out would be him to give his hitleresc speeches on youtube every Sunday night.

I am sure Gerald Batten and the more ‘working class’ elements of UKIP would agree lol.

Richard Tice seems genuine in his opposition to lockdown (although not as strongly as many here would like). I wonder where that leaves Reform UK; who really has the power there?

Never trusted Farage
However Raheem Kassam is going balls to the wall over in the states

I decided Farage had gone over to the Dark Side when he turned on UKIP. What he has done since then or not done, hasn’t altered my opinion. Someone once described him as controlled opposition and that got me looking at him in a different light. I no longer trust him, as for guillotining the political class, I’m in favour of it!

that’s a bit like Stanley Baldwin’s take on Winston Churchill: “when Winston was born lots of fairies swooped down on his card;e with gifts – imagination, eloquence, industry, ability – and then came a fairy who said ‘No one person has the right to so many gifts’, and picked him up and gave him such a shake and a twist that with all these gifts he was denied judgement and wisdom.” Stanley who?

Can I defend Lord Sumption?

People used to say when a ship was sinking, “women and children first”.

I would be ashamed if I took a place on a lifeboat at the expense of a child, and would despise anyone who did. That doesn’t mean I don’t value older people (and I consider it a nonsense to condemn them for voting in a certain referendum). But we should absolutely put children first (and indeed women first if one is a man, stand up for a woman on the bus etc.).

My biggest problem with lockdowns and related extreme restrictions is that they will kill more children than they can ever hope to save. Do old people really want children to die so they can (possibly) have a few mre months or years? Has anyone asked them?

Have I put my foot in it?…

Well, toodle-oo.

Children don’t need to die to have their lives destroyed. Just deprive them of an education and stunt their social and emotional growth by terrorizing them and hiding people’s faces from them and the job’s done.

Before Hancock induced the current gangrenous bout of self-destruction, I think a lot of older people DID say “not in my name”. But (as far as I can see from this distance) that all seems to have been washed away in a deluge of fear and hopelessness. If people are locked down long enough, perhaps all they end up caring about is themselves.

Sumption is right, of course. I still wish he hadn’t said it because it served no useful purpose.

I disagree, though it is painful that it was necessary to point out that these decisions actually do have to be made, and have to be made day in, day out.

Difficult to believe that many people either don’t, or don’t want to, realise this.

In the same way that many people are not capable of seeing through other items in the media and applying a modicum of context to them too.

It also highlighted the absence of cost benefit analysis of the government actions.

As can be seen in the absolutely horrendous segment in “Good Morning Britain”, the most blatantly biased and emotionally unbalanced piece I have had the misfortune to witness for some time. (And that’s saying something these days).

It’s lucky that Lord Sumption is clearly a cut above the likes of Morgan and his sidekick, who apparently want to step into the shoes of Jeremy Kyle with his interviewing “technique”.

The modern equivalent of bear baiting, except in this case the bait was not taken.

I really don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. And perhaps rather than being naive, he was just being absolutely rigorous and correct, and I’m the coward. Certainly, now that emotion trumps all, it’s impossible for unpalatable truths to be heard, and without unpalatable truths we’ll never get out of this. So I concede, I was wrong. May he continue to battle on, despite the tsunami of bile coming his way.

I admire the way you concede when you are wrong…wish more people were like that.

Well done NN.

Positively steaming after watching the exchange. These arrogant bastards aren’t fit to bathe in his spit, let alone polish Lord Sumption’s shoes!

We should never have been brought to this pass, arguing about the comparative value of people’s lives.

These people – SAG, Hancock, Johnson et al – should be strung up for this.

Maybe if Sumption had turned it around and talked about himself (rather than another participant, as I gather he did), it would have come across better tactically. Just an idea.

He did initially relate the point to himself – and later on when he was asked to clarify his position – saying that he had grandchildren and if it came to choosing who should live or die it would be his grandchildren over and above himself because they still had their whole lives ahead of them.

stand up for a woman on the bus

Are there buses with no empty seats?

Oh there used to be. Those were the days (and there’s a sentiment I never thought I’d be expressing!)

Surely all the seats have been taken out, to prevent people loitering in them.

Well, I’m retired and I’m sick to death of the constant’protect the vulnerable’ crusade, so shoutily adopted by the likes of overpaid megaphones like Piers Morgan.

Lord Sumption is entirely correct in what he said, admitting that he too, as an elderly person, does not wish to see young lives sacrificed on his behalf. Neither do I!

Yesterday I spoke to my 23 year old niece; despite living miles apart, we have a strong emotional bond.

She is comparatively privileged in terms of looks, private education, employment and with a decent boyfriend who has his own business.

However, she told me that recently she has been bursting into tears more frequently, worried as she is by the constant tweaking of the various covid rules.

She has also found being with her other half in her small flat with few breaks quite difficult, although still fully committed to staying with him.

Several of her acquaintances have split up, unable to withstand the emotional and economic consequences of Lockdown UK.

So, if this is becoming increasingly difficult for this privileged young woman and her bloke, just imagine what the consequences must be for the many thousands of less fortunate youngsters, denied hope, prospects, educational and career opportunities.

No school, unstable family circumstances and confined to a tower block in a run down area.

Meanwhile, overpaid noisy hypocrites defend the endless imprisonment and descend on the brave dissenters like Lord Sumption, for whom I have the greatest respect.

Finally, I’m not vulnerable-how I loathe this word-but I’m increasingly cynical and thoroughly exasperated by the utter shambles which apparently passes for joined up political thinking.

The unthinking appliance of science has gone too far; questioning and debate and contributions from dissenting experts and clinicians are urgently needed.

Well said.

Snap.

unthinking appliance of science

Except the responses to the coronavirus are not based on science. They are pseudoscience. Policy decisions justified by scientific sounding propaganda. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/10/coronavirus-pseudoscience.html

Yes you’re correct in some respects, although, it must be said, that mainstream scientists have largely bought into this.

I agree it is propaganda, but ‘following the science’ equates, in my opinion, to ‘the unthinking appliance of politically expedient science’.

A qualification which I think is valid.

But none of it is science. Take the two metre social distancing rule. There is no scientific basis for it. None. It was just made up. When Professor Yvonne Doyle of Public Health England was asked by a House of Commons Select Committee for the scientific evidence for the rule, she said: “The precautionary principle.” Opinions held by scientists (regardless of how many) are not science. They are opinions. And the government has cherry picked opinions from a select group of scientists and represented those opinions as “the science”.

Yes, agreed, but then we have the vaccines, the various movers and shakers like Dr Strangelove and his Imperial College chums, the various advocates in the US and others.

So, my point is that the appliance of politically expedient science is what has been foisted on us.

Which is why, in my first comment here, I suggested that the advice of dissenting scientists and clinicians should be taken: Gupta, Heneghan, Sikora, Bhattacharya , Levitt et al.

It’s widely accepted that much current research depends on private funding and that lines must be towed to secure this.

This cartel needs to be broken.

It’s not really politically expedient, unless you consider the Public Health mafia to be playing a political role. Which is what they are doing.

Agree with your sentiments but if you mean “appliance” of science, rather than “application” of science, I’m puzzled.

I chose it deliberately,as I recalled the former Zanussi adverts, which coined the phrase.

It’s catchy and stuck in my memory as I was composing my latest diatribe. Call it commenter’s licence.

Ah, since I’m not in the UK, I didn’t get it.

Planet Zanussi. About right.

Hear, hear!!!

Do not lament cynicism – it is the only natural response to a sustained exposure to idiocy.

I also cringe at the word vulnerable and certainly don’t want to be part of this cohort particularly as I’m a lot healthier and fitter than many younger people. I’ve done my best to avoid the NHS tentacles all my life but if I do get a letter about the vaccine I’ll use it to light the fire.

A kindred spirit!

… if I do get a letter about the vaccine I’ll use it to light the fire.

That’s my default option too, fiery.

Hoping there will be a creative way of fucking with them first, though. Asking for the letter in Cyrillic maybe …

I know somebody who’s grilfriend is an estate agent. She has NEVER been busier than she is now. Almost ALL of her customers are people who have split up with their partners because being locked in with them has destroyed their relationships. They all want flats and they want them immediately and they will take anything. She says.

My niece is in the same business, dealing with mainly business lettings, which are still very much in demand.

Her employers are busier with lets than sales apparently.

Blimey that’s something I hadn’t accounted for.

WendyK, I too am retired and approaching 63. No one should have to give up any thing to protect me or anyone older. That the younger generations are being told they must give up their lives, income, mental health and education to save older people is a disgrace to me. This is how the government are spinning things but what I really hear is that they are trying to save their own skin.

Lord Sumption is correct that society puts a greater value on a young life in terms of medical care than it does on an older life. I don’t have children but any parent would put their child’s life before their own. When my brother died at age 30 my parents would have given up their lives willingly if he could have kept his. If most 80 year olds could be asked about this I am sure they would say the same.

Something I find very interesting about the critics of the government and the lockdown zealots is that they have expressed deep distrust of the government but are jumping with joy at the prospect of taking a vaccine still in the experimental stages.

Very well said Wendy, and isn’t it revealing that so many of us -the oldies- are utterly disgusted by the weaponising of the deaths of the elderly at the expense of the young, who will bear the burdens, both social, economic and fiscal, of this awful farce for years to come.

The very thought of a young life being compromised to extend mine fills me with anger and shame. i would never, never allow it to happen.

Of course all this confected emoting could eventually lead to a backlash against older retired folk .

Perhaps we should resurrect the slogan ‘not in my name’; an angry army of oldies might shame the lunatics who’ve taken over the asylum to reconsider their blundering strategy.

Too many debates where all sides of the argument are not properly represented, and not least in science.

See also first comment of tomorrow’s btl

Older people, especially women, have been telling me before, during and after lockdown .1 that they don’t want the country to be sacrificed on their behalf and many have said the Covid should have been left to follow its course (“let it rip” as the MSM would put it).

Just what I think.

I do too, I’m nearly 72.

Me too

Yep. Had a few visitors tell me the same thing before we had to shut down. Nearly wept when one woman told me “you shouldn’t be forced to do all these for my sake.”

I have said from the very beginning that Sweden got it right.

Always said there should be ‘covid parties’ like the measles/german measles(rubella) of old.

I’m still of the opinion the virus should have been allowed to spread naturally.
I also remember speaking to my wife’s 90 year old granny in June. She said to me “ it’s like a bloody dictatorship telling us where we can and cannot go and what we can and cannot do “. That was music to my ears. This is a 90 year old who still has her mind and can list off everyones birthdays without looking at a calendar.

The greatest generation.

And let’s have Maureen from Barnsley as pm. In fact, let’s move parliament to Barnsley. Maybe they’d think twice about some of the nonsense they come out with…

I’d throw the kids out to save my own skin, at the end of the day the adults can always make more kids. How will the kids survive without adults to look after them?

But its logical & for the greater good of the species!

Could you throw my kids out as well? They had the last of the gin and we’re in prohibition in SA!!

There not my kids , i’ve got no genetic investment in em.

That’s technically known as a ‘three post ment’.

Though kids are not useless eaters, a-s, I agree with you in principle. Always used to be parents of young families who were top of the QALY ratings – has that changed ?

Why all the negativity? I don’t think you people are taking this cost/benefit value analysis thingy seriously. Kids are unproductive & just useless eaters for years, before they can serve society, unless we bring chimney boys back to work!

Look at China and the developed world fps. Get rid of kids – yes, you get a few decades ill gotten economic benefit, but then you get a long period of economic hardship as the number of productive workers declines whilst the number of old people continues to increase. Unfortunately for us, the world is now entering such a period, and who knows how it will turn out, as it is to my knowledge unprecedented on this scale.

I caught Sumption yesterday attempting to qualify his perfectly reasonable answer by (a littleness foolishly in my opinion) trying to explain himself to Piers Morgan.
It was like explaining rudimentary philosophy to a chimp.

I watched it too. I could not decide whether Morgan was wilfully misunderstanding Sumption’s words or he is just really stupid. However, Professor Devi Sridhar clearly did know that Sumption was correct and was just downright lying.

She’s the nasty piece of work that has been endlessly attacking Suntera Gupta. Poisonous woman.

Please don’t insult are chimp brothers and sisters. They are a 100 times smarter than Pier Morgan is.

I think Piers Morgan is better described as a amoeba.

Morganus megaphonis is my new species moniker for motor mouth.

That’s a bit rough on Amoeba, being compared to the zero brain cells Morgan!

Slime mould?

Previously instead of a written description, online dictionaries put a photo of Morg in the description box for bloviating buffoon.

Buffoonus bloviatus var Morganus. An exemplar of motor mouth gain of function.

I think that’s more spot on!

Thing is that if lockdownistas truly valued life (other than their own), they would support shielding the vulnerable where possible and letting the rest get on with life.

Maximum happiness with minimum cost. That’s truly humanitarian.

If you’ve followed alternative media rather than the BBC/ITV/shite, you’ll be aware of the insidious advances which have been made towards deliberately degenerating and sexualising/perverting children for the past 15 years. Youtube (Google) are amongst the worst offenders. Last time I checked (which is a while ago now) they put together a series of videos promoted on their home page of parents telling their own children how they were conceived, jokingly absent was the innocent ‘birds and the bees’ metaphor.

You may also be aware of the fact the ‘gender war’ always finds itself targeting children as much as possible, getting into their books, cartoons, even physically entering their schools when a man dressed in drag shows up to read ‘gender-neutral’ literature.

Bear in mind all this has lead up to lockdown. Consider how vulnerable children are without any of the above interference in their lives. Then how crushing this lockdown is to their future. The government and the powers that be are hell bent on destroying our future.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/06/john-dillermand-denmark-launches-childrens-tv-show-man-giant-penis

This would be jaw droppingly funny if I hadn’t moved to Denmark last autumn with my Danish wife and twin 5yr old boys.

I’m now utterly convinced that the only way for civilised society to reemerge is to once again embrace the pastime of putting heads on sticks.

These cunts are sick, decapitation is the cure.

Heads on sticks does it for me …

I agree but Lord Sumption assumes everyone thinks rationally and, as has become only too clear recently, they don’t. For a rational man, he really should have foreseen the consequences of making that statement.

And let’s hear it for the Jewish Hasidic community in Brooklyn, whose “death rate is no worse than the general death rate”.

These obscene lockdown and related restrictions must end now. And if they don’t, there will be questions for those concerned. Preferably in “Nuremberg mark II”. (Do we have our own name for this yet?).

The Hasidic Jews in New York could teach their counterparts here a thing or two.

Yesterday’s coronavirus press briefing revealed (if it were not already clear enough) that the government has no plan for lifting all the restrictions. Matt Hancock was asked about this by both a member of the public and a journalist. His responses offered nothing to those who are waiting for the government to end the restrictions, to return to normal. Hancock made it plain that even when all the old and vulnerable have been vaccinated that would not be sufficient to end the restrictions, even as he stated that this category constituted ninety-nine percent of all the coronavirus related deaths. The obvious implication of Hancock’s assertions is that the government has no plans for ending the restrictions, ever.

We have also seen that the rebel Conservative backbenchers have no intention of forcing the government to change its position. They have contented themselves with words of criticism, but have shown they are not prepared to take action. And those rebels are the only organised opposition. They have the power to stop the madness, but they are not prepared to use it.

This suggests to me that there is at present only one realistic route out of the madness: mass non-compliance. If people in sufficient numbers simply ignore the restrictions, there is little the government could do about it. Anyone who can see that the lockdowns are wrong ought to refuse to collaborate, ought to recognise that this is a moral obligation, ought to realise that the choice is between collaboration or resistance.

Ignore the rules.

‘une stupide obéissance ou la révolte’ ( La Peste )

Paris is “une ville sale”. Well he might be right now!

Trouble is, the government still do not have the exit strategy that many have been calling for for a long time. They’ve dug themselves into a hole and don’t appear to have the first idea of how to get out. By their own apparent logic, the inevitable mutations, the extra deaths because of immune systems compromised by stress and excessive sanitising et. and the pressures that all this will put on “our” nhs could justify restrictions pretty much permanently. No, I reckon there needs to be change at the top.

Well good night. Don’t let Camus bight…

The government’s planned exit strategy is by way of entry into Klaus Schwab’s world of the Great Reset. Most of us won’t be allowed into his wunderland, so Klaus will require a lot of help from his mate, Bill Gates. Bill, as we all ought to know, has been working on his special depopulating “vaccines” for nearly two decades, during which time his experimentation has been causing mayhem across the third world. This likely tells us why Bill and Klaus’s little helpers, Johnson and Hancock are now holding out for “vaccination” of everyone. No doubt, the even more lethal “vaccines” will be on the scene once the old gits have been disposed of.

German Bight

oops

Isn’t La Peste really about the occupation? That’s where we are – occupied.

I had to read La Peste at school, decades ago, never thought I’d be living through a version of it but have never forgotten the warning in the last paragraph.

We had to read it too. I don’t remember the last paragraph but I remember in the priests denying that there was a plague after they started getting ill! „Nous n‘ avons pas la Peste a oran!“

Have you seen

The Light ?

Ate you The Light ?

The caption to the picture describes the The Light as a conspiracy theory newspaper. Name calling is so modern and fashionable.

I have not seen it. But now that you have brought to my attention, I will look out for it.

Being put through letterbox’s in London, Surrey, Yorkshire and Devon according to the report.

And Essex. We have this in the shop.

And Sussex !

I have now read some of its reporting. I could not see anything that struck me as lying or grossly misleading; but I did read an informative article on the limited ownership of the corporate media and its effects on misinforming the public in the interests of the elite, which is of course information the corporate media have an interest in suppressing.

Publishing stuff on SAG conflicts of interests would be good too. (eg Zoe Harcombe’s excellent research on this)

Highly recommended Steve.

I distribute copies in my area of N Wales. The editorial/distribution team advise that it be distributed primarily to independent high street businesses who are most likely to appreciate the content and want to make copies available to their customers. I have built up a solid small, loyal network of local businesses – mainly first generation immigrant owned, as the Welsh/English owned businesses seem to prefer going out of business to listening to voices sympathetic to their plight. Unfortunately all my ‘customers’ are currently prohibited from trading so cannot spread the word.
Any excess copies I have left within the next 3 or 4 weeks may well end up through people’s letterboxes!

The paper can also be found online:

https://thelightpaper.co.uk/

A conspiracy theory is a hypothesis which proposes an explanation to be tested against actual events.

The testing in now complete, so we just call it a conspiracy.

You are quite right, at some stage the general public will begin to realise that the risk to them has been exaggerated and their fear and beliefs have been misplaced.

Consequently they will refuse to “follow the rules”.

Whether this is before, or after, the government manage to catch up is yet to be seen.

The cry of Granny killer, the accusation of blood on your hands and the twisting of life value arguments to show you are callous and unfeeling have proved powerful arguments for the lock-down zealots; as we saw with Lord Sumption. They are still effective enough to keep this sorry pantomime on the road.
In my view it suits the Government to run this as long as it can as it has 2 dates in mind;
In June the UK hosts the G7 talks in Cornwall
In November the UK hosts the World Climate change Talks
They are running this lockdown nonsense with the sole aim of scoring as many political points as they can by seeing to be the major economy that has triumphed over this ‘deadly virus’.
I think there is a huge mountain to shift before public opinion and actions are such as to make the Government shift from its plans.

If the government believes its own propaganda science surely it would cancel such obvious virus spreading activities as hosting the G7 and COP 26.

Who, in the government, is speaking up for our children?
this cannot go on

I hoped for many months, that the mass adoption of exemption lanyards in a show of solidarity as displayed by the Danes in WW2, would break the mask mandate.

Obviously my hopes were dashed, as there is no solidarity here, just mass compliance accompanied by an unspoken resentment of the bare faced rebels.

An unedifying reflection on our society.

I do and agree there is no other way out out this. Peter Hitchen’s naive idea of everyone writing to their MPs is like asking an ant to stop an elephant. The MPs are either completely bought into this or are thinking about their own careers. Being a maverick and anti establishment is not a good career move.

People like us have to do whatever we can not to comply but we need the pressure of numbers and the coordinated support of businesses. We cannot force a pub to open on our own. I will be enjoying being a customer at an illegally operating business this week (for obvious reasons I am not saying where it is) and there will be others there too and if the proprietor gets attacked by covid marshalls I will be fighting alongside the owner.

We need the kind of movement and weight of numbers they have managed in Italy. If we can get this on a big enough scale the filth will back off just like they do with BLM and in the tougher areas of the inner cities.

Writing to MPs has to now be considered a joke and Hitchens needs to acknowledge this. However I think he fears civil disobediance and possible violent confrontations more than he fears continued lockdown. Brave up comrade!

Back in March I wondered how long it would take for the speakeasy to be reinvented. I am amazed at how long it is taking.

Italy leads the way. See #IoApro

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1349659348407099402?s=20

From the roundup
Woman ejected from Sainsbury’s by police for not having mask

Conor asks is this legal ?

Alex Belfied YouTube has this

I have forwarded the letter featured atl to my own MP and added this:

I have copied a letter which was recently sent to one of your colleagues. It illustrates perfectly the issues regarding face masks.

I too cannot wear a mask and I too have been subject to abuse by ignorant members of the public and harassment by Uttlesford District Council and Essex Police. I engaged in a very lengthy telephone call with the Chief Executive’s Office at Tesco’s pointing out several reasons why some people cannot wear masks (notwithstanding the fact that there is no scientific evidence to back up their efficacy and, actually, much evidence to show that they are not effective at all). I asked the woman at Tesco’s whether they really were willing to discriminate against people with disabilities, people with medical conditions and women who had been the victims of rape – women who would find it particularly odious for a teenage male employee to try and foist a mask upon them. After several e-mail exchanges, I was pleased to see that Tesco’s finally relented and amended their rather aggressive signage.

Well said, kh, especially the reference to rape victims, which I hadn’t considered.

I hope you’ll receive the courtesy of a decent reply from Mrs Badenoch

I doubt it wendyk.

I have to say, all credit to the lady at Tesco’s, she heard me out with extreme courtesy.

The first person I came across with a lanyard was when masks became a requirement on trains. She had been the victim of an abusive relationship that involved mock strangulation. She had to explain it all to the railway company who did then give her an exemption lanyard.

Appalling. This was the argument I used with Tesco’s when they stated you had to say ‘ medically exempt’. Why the hell should anyone have to go through deeply personal and private reasons why they cannot wear a mask and have to label themselves such. And, as I further pointed out, it’s not as if we are in the majority – in my own experience, I am usually the sole non-mask wearer.

Same here, kh, I’m the sole heretic. Security guards are always friendly though, and I don’t envy them their minimum wage ,casual role as enforcers.

I don’t think I’ve been in one supermarket in the past 6 months where I haven’t been the only one not wearing a mask. I had to break my Waitrose embargo again yesterday (it’s the only supermarket within walking distance of my shop) so I thought I would check whether just saying ‘exempt’ would get me in. The door chap was quite nice, asked if I had a mask (and did a helpful hand movement over his mouth, just in case I didn’t understand). I replied “exempt” and there was nothing further.

Why the big supermarkets tried to ramp things up last week, is beyond me but I think the message is getting through (probably the compensation story concentrated a few minds!).

I stay away from supermarkets as much as possible. Other than that I’ve done 3 visits to the dentist, one to the doctor for a smear test and 2 to the bank.
The bank visits were very soon after the mandate and I hadn’t got my courage up so even though the impact on me was bad I put up with it for the few minutes required. There was a man in the queue maskless and wearing a lanyard on one of those early visits.
Since then I have been entirely maskless. I would say that in a total of about 12 visits to situations where masks are “mandated” I have seen 3 other people without masks. It doesn’t sound a bad statistic until you consider that one of those visits was to a very large Sainsbury superstore and I was the only one without a mask unless you count very small children. All older children had one on.

My friend and I have two theories about the supermarkets attempting to ramp up the muzzling:

1. profits are nosediving and they’re convinced that a more draconian enforcement would coax the zombies out and spend more money
2. government already having destroyed other sectors see that supermarkets still standing and decide to tighten the screws to bring them down too.

Why none of the CEOs have twigged that the government would be after them or throw them under the bus is bizarre.

Hi all, new boy here, although very much more an opponent of lockdowns rather than sceptical, will probably expand on in future posts. Just yesterday I left Tescos feedback on soaring demand for home delivery or click and collect – we have a huge Tescos in our small market town, but nearest click and collect is nearly 20 miles away. Feedback from friends who work in that store is that footfall is down dramatically and those who do venture in spend much less and get out as quickly as they can. I would have thought that they could reserve a few days for no masks (staff and customers) and the remainder for the muzzled zombies. Willing to bet that if they did that, once word got around, the mask free days would see the store packed.

That’s a good idea. From the conversations I’ve had with staff, footfall has been massively down since masks were introduced – discretionary and impulse purchases are way down.

And once word gets round, bet more people will prefer to shop during mask free days.

Legally, she didn’t have to.

I keep plugging this site as it gives the full legal implaications of the face covering legislation. There are rules for a ‘reasonable excuse’ for not wearing a face covering (which may manifest as a mask amongst other styles), one ‘re’ is medical exemption, others would be claustrophobia, psychological trama (eg rape case victim mentioned above), etc, etc. There is even a recognised NHS condition known as ‘low mood’. The site provided pro-forma documents to be handed to jobsworths (including employer, employee, police, other customers) should they infringe in legally enshrined rights. The infringements are civil offences with remedies (fines) of up to £5000 or £9000 depending exactly on the infringement. Again that would be for everyone involved – employer, cemployee, customer (and police in the officer is ignorant of the law?)

Face covering – some pretend law
Fiction:
Everyone must now wear masks everywhere, except offices and outside, and controllers of premises can always insist they are worn.

Law:
From 24 Sept, the places in which face covering must be worn, and by whom, has greatly expanded. However, rarely understood but significant ‘reasonable excuses’
remain.

https://laworfiction.com/2020/09/face-covering-some-pretend-law/

And

Low mood – a reasonable excuse to ignore coronavirus restrictions
Fiction: Feeling sad and low is reasonably to be expected of us all. Piers Morgan is right that we just have to put up with it.

Law: “To avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm” is a ‘reasonable excuse’ exemption within most of the coronavirus restrictions. Government suggested lanyards and badges are frequently being refused as sufficient, despite government guidance (and even because of government guidance in Wales!). In these circumstances at least, a self-certificate of this exemption may prove very useful if challenged. A suggested template form is here: Notice of Exemption to avoid ill health or injury but do read on first.

Two main points:

• illness includes mental illness
• the purpose is to avoid illness

https://laworfiction.com/2020/09/low-mood-a-reasonable-excuse-to-ignore-coronavirus-restrictions/

The face covering toolkit is at

Face covering: litigation threats and administrative headache
Fiction:
Shoppers and public transport users have to declare their ‘reasonable excuse’ for not wearing a face covering and put up with dirty looks as they buy their bananas or travel to work.

Law:
As a good starting point we recommend remains our post on Face covering for 6 to 12 months from 24th July . The face covering regulations do not override other important rights against invasion of privacy and disability discrimination.

https://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-litigation-threats-and-administrative-headache/

Read all three posts and pass on to others as widely as possible

kh, you are the heroine to end all heroines.

No, Annie, you’re too kind, I’m really not. I’m just an ordinary person, sick to death of being pushed around and I’m not taking it any more.

That’s the Resistance attitude. If the Resistance girls were heroines, then you are one.
If they were just, as Camus would say, doing their duty, then you are doing your duty.
It was enough for Nelson!

I still haven’t heard anything back to my complaint to Lloyds Banking Group. I emailed the chief executive and the complaints department about their text which just said “face coverings are essential” with no mention of “unless exempt”. It’s been 6 days now and all I’ve had is the automated response. I didn’t have the patience to hang on the phone though as you did. Well done.

That’s appalling. I will say, in Tesco’s defence, that they do respond quickly and it was they who telephoned me. They’ve probably got me labelled as an awkward bugger as I have had to complain several times in the past (once re. their mis-quoting of Data Protection rules and then last year when I was aggressively and erroneously accused of shoplifting).

Have you tried tweeting them? I find that an effective way to get a company’s PR department to respond.

Well said about rape victims. The Guardian had an article a few months’ ago written by a woman who was raped why the likes of her and domestic violence victims couldn’t and wouldn’t wear masks and it was harrowing. I shudder to think what they would be thinking and feeling if they came across the scenario that you described above.

Might Toby at one of his Free Schools add ‘Systemic Maskism’ to the curriculum? Critical Face Theory?

Local Live at it again
Lead article rehashes the Covid deaths per district since March including noting that only one district has had deaths in double figures. They do not remind us that the town is well known for attracting retirees and for decades has been known as Gods Waiting Room.

No recent Covid deaths in the Region mentioned.

Second Article notes increasing pikes of Covid clusters (a cluster is two cases or more apparantly).
It then tediously lists 50 or more such districts and how many case clusters they have including, just to fill the space, those with none at all.

Again no mention of recent Covid deaths in the Region.

‘God’s Waiting Room’ a few miles along the coast from ‘Hernia Bay’?

Did the article explain that a cluster is 2 people?
Most people will have no knowledge that such a low number would be classified as that.

How did we get here? I think this video offers an explanation. To win any fight you must know & understand your enemy.

Stephen Hicks: Nietzsche Perfectly Forecasts the Postmodernist Left

Make no mistake, this is a political crisis not a health crisis! People question how this is a “socialist” endeavour. Socialism is a broad church of ideologies, followers of a relatively obsolete old skool brand of socialism, that advocates for decent cheap housing, good jobs/security, healthcare, education often get offended by any criticism of socialism! I empathise with those values, this isn’t my target.

But we face a new more dangerous form of socialist values coming from the liberal left. There are 3 main groups of political ideology (with numerous merging subdivisions) conservative, neoliberal & socialist, but many of us see ourselves politically transient & homeless unable to agree on every political principle (that’s part of the problem & the aim).

My view of covid19 is that this is a political crisis, we are being manipulated by neo-liberal oligarchs/corporations who are using socialist values against traditional conservative culture as a means to grab power. The main obstacle to technocratic rule & world wide communistic culture is independent liberal/conservative cultural traditions e.g. Country, community, family, personal independence from governnent. Nihilistic Neo-liberals could never form a successful party of their own because they are all psychopaths they would literally consume each other & get nowhere which is why they infiltrate other political movements.

I don’t know what Johnson is or what motivates him, I know what he & his neo-liberal cabinet are not, he personally is neither a leader or a libertarian, his party is not conservative! What I do know is the only way we win this fight is by getting rid of him & his party but I have no idea what we can replace it with. None of this covid nonsense will stop whilst the tory party remain in power & labour are not valid alternative!

But debating objective facts & science will just see us chasing our own tail.

The virus is the pretext for the police state not the reason.
Once people realise that then maybe we can begin to fight back

We were already in a police state, look back at 2019 the west was already plagued with civil unrest. The gestapo police had been politicised & militarised in anticipation of 2020.

Corona, climate change, identity politics all have one purpose & one thing in common, control! Control of the little people like you & me. Theres a reason why pandemic mitigation measures resemble animal husbandry, because the elite think we are livestock.

We wasn’t in a police state until March 23.You are basically only allowed to work and shop for essentials now and some people are not even allowed to do that.

Schools closing for six weeks has casually been doubled overnight. Double the time for depriving children of education, of socialisation, of for some, leaving the house, leaving the bedroom, leaving the computer screen, getting a regular diet and exercise, being a child.
To protect against a virus with a 99.7% recovery rate magnified by seasonal overflow of our hospitals.
No. This cannot continue.

And yet it does continue.
Our children have lost more than a year of education. They will have to go back well before that to re-establish what had been previously learned.
If they ever get the chance to do even that.
And with the prospect of further disruption every year.
My God. The generation of the damned.

Child abuse isn’t it?
Fear monger them. Have a sniffle Johnie? Well, you are going to die.
Want to play footie with the friends? No. You will die.
If you do go out Johnie wear the diaper. Don’t worry about breathing in Co2 and bacteria. Don’t be a murderer Johnie.
Want to visit friends? No chance Johnie, you will kill someone.
Feeling anxious, alone, afraid? Suck it up Johnie, your future is unimportant, 0.3% are dying Johnie.

SAGE= Sick Assholes Gutting Education of innocent boys and girls.

Fully supported by Labour voting, unionised Teachers.

The further element of child abuse is that, when a child can manage to get into school, if the other kids are wearing masks then there is every chance the non-mask wearing one will be bullied by mask-wearing children. Reports are coming up on the anti-Lockdown Facebook groups of children being bullied by their mask-wearing peers.

Yes, well if they ever allow the children back into school…..Maskholes abound. It is a religious symbol. We should expect the Maskhole religious to be intolerant of the non-compliant Infidel.

Masks of course do not stop aerosol transmission. Never have. A flu is normally spread through ingestion via the hands contaminated from air or surface. The mask is not going to help you (virus molecules easily pass through) and in reality most people rub their fat greasy hands all over their face, pick their nose, rub their eyes etc etc negating the mask.

It’s state sanctioned terrorism.

Well said.

This will continue as there is ZERO outcry from the people who could pressure the government. The teachers unions and head of schools…they are the worst of all. My wife actually cancelled her membership of the one of them ( not sure what ..I think NUT)as she so utterly disagrees with this. She was a teacher and a head but now works more on the policy side of it. They are afraid for their safety, fuck the kids, fuck their education, fuck them being traumatized, not able to see their friends, have any normality. Fuck the older ones and their exams, my niece was suppose to do her GCSE’s this year and go to Uni..WRONG! Cancelled sucker! I talk to her weekly and she just keeps crying, she want to come and see me and the wife but her mother ( my SIL ) is a Covid fanatic and she does not have her own car…This generation is already fucked, but now they will be properly fucked. I’m beyond anger, frustration, sadness. My daughter is 6 and she not seen any of her friends since schools closed. Dam them, dam them all to fucking hell.

Children should protest with boards in-front of schools

The ghost of Edward Heath stalks the corridors of Westminster

‘Who rules Britain: the government, or the National Health Service?’

And the resounding answer, from MPs across the floor has been: ‘The NHS!’

Humpty Dumpty lies smashed on the floor

He can only be put together again by the Cavalry in the shape of proportional representation.

Only then can new young parties arise, representing the so many elements of this complex nation, standing for election on imperative sweeping reformist tickets, to give the electorate real choice.

Otherwise, you know all this is going to happen again every winter.

The political class of today, the state broadcaster, the public sector, sees it as such a jolly jape; a wheeze too brilliant not to resort to on a regular basis in order to avoid facing up to reform.

Proportional representation sounds all well and good until you realise that the populous cities would be telling the rural communities what to do. It’s a no from me.

I couldn’t disagree more

No inhuman ‘Hunting Act’ in France, imposed by the tyranny of an urban majority, that restricts the follow up of wounded animals to two dogs; useless, as the league against cruel sports well knows, in thick cover.

Thanks to the political party, Le Mouvement de la ruralité, ‘Hunters are a formidable political force in a country where urbanisation came relatively late and city-dwellers remain close to their ancestral roots…’

‘In 2010 “obstruction to hunting” became an offence liable to a 1,500-euro fine..’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20704312#:~:text=Hunting%20with%20dogs%20is%20banned,tradition%20is%20alive%20and%20well.&text=While%20several%20other%20European%20countries,hunts%20boast%2010%2C000%20members%20nationwide .

And that is entirely thanks to Proportional Representation, a buttress against the very thing you cite in opposition to it.

Thta’s France, where rural dwellers know how to make a point in the cities. We are English and we won’t.

You will know that, in a system of proportional representation, small parties wield disproportionate power and so protect the rights of minorities.

And we have a ready made Chairman of a new ‘Countryside Party’ now sitting in House of Lords: the legend that is Baron Botham of Ravensworth

As the populous cities pay for the rural communities, there would be a fairness if that applied. Anyway, I disagree that that would happen and cite Ireland as the case in point. The rural tail wags the urban dog and as a Dubliner, I resent paying for rural Ireland.

Glad Dublin grows all its own food, Ewan.

Nah its all deceitful misdirection & deflection, decades of maladministration & corruption by neo-liberal governments most notably tories under Jeremy *unt’s mismanagement has lead to a NHS unfit for purpose & its NOT about a lack of money thrown at it.

UK column had a good piece yesterday on how the NHS has reduced critical care beds by 70,000 YES seventy thousand beds in the last decade despite having a consultation on a future pandemic.

The tories are operating a major save ASS event & using the consequences to “build back better” with a more authoritarian technocrat world. Don’t look to Labour or dimdems to save us they’ve got their own neo-liberal skeletons to hide.

Build back better means mealworm burggers, locust hot dogs, public transport & bicycles for the little people, you’ll own nothing & be owned by them, you will be even more miserable with absolutely no purpose in life but maintain the colony & embrace it or else.

Heath’s nemesis the NUM would make a better job of closing down, sorry ‘protecting’ the NHS, methinks.

This is the email I sent back, my responses are interspersed.
I was more than a little disappointed with the so called myth busting document. I have obviously been under the misapprehension that we are practising evidence based care.
Myth #1: The speed of development means the vaccine may be unsafe.
Fact: Many sceptics have noted how quickly the vaccine has been developed but this is just a reflection of the extraordinary scientific advances that have been made in vaccine technology. Along with this the development of the vaccine has been backed with significant funding which has allowed for record breaking development and almost 24 hour working getting this vaccine tested and approved.
Several healthcare professionals including
Dr Malcolm Kendrick a GP in England, would disagree on this. Also why did MHRA install special software to handle a significant quantity of yellow card submissions?
Why have the vaccine companies been given immunity from liability if anything goes wrong? Did thalidomide teach no one anything?

Myth #2: I have already had Covid-19 and hence do not need the vaccine.
Fact: Due to the severe health risks associated with the illness, the fact that reinfection with Covid- 19 is possible means the advice is to be vaccinating again. Research published today by Public Health England (PHE) in the Siren report shows that antibodies from past infections provide 83% protection for at least five months but does not stop you from passing the virus on to others. No one is clear how long our natural immunity will last and it is unclear if a previous infection to Covid-19 will protect against new mutations. In addition, it has been suggested that having a Covid-19 vaccine after having had a confirmed infection (at least 28 days after diagnosis) may boost your immune response further (i.e. like having a second jab to prime your immunity).
It is known that antibodies reduce after about 90 days, but that is one facet of our immune system.
For example, SARS1 patients still have immunity after 17 years.
The study was based on B cell antibodies, completely ignoring T cell immunity. If the virus itself doesn’t provide immunity then how can the vaccine? In fact the vaccine mitigates against symptoms it doesn’t stop you from becoming infected. Being exposed to a pathogen doesn’t mean you’re infected. Being infected does not mean you are infectious. Neither do the tests show how virulent the infection is.

Myth #3: Covid-19 vaccines have severe side effects.
Fact: As with all vaccines, there are expected short-term reactions and both the Pfizer/BioNTech and Oxford/Astra Zeneca jab are no exceptions. Patients may develop a headache, fatigue, muscle pain or a low grade fever. The Pfizer vaccine appears to have more risks associated with allergic reactions and hence the advice is to have the alternative Oxford vaccine if you have ever had a significant reaction to a medicine, food or other vaccine.
There are serious concerns about the side effects that are being reported, including transverse myelitis (AstraZeneca) , temperature above 40 degrees and Norway are reporting deaths (Pfizer and Moderna). These are not insignificant side effects. These have to be given to anyone who is having the vaccination to obtain informed consent.

Myth #4: You can stop wearing a mask after being vaccinated.
Fact: You are not bullet proof after being vaccinated and can still pass on the virus to others. Unless you have a medical reason for not wearing a mask, it is mandatory to wear one at all times when not at your desk whilst at work. Along with this remember Hands, Face and Space at all times.
In which case why get vaccinated at all?

Myth #5: Our immune systems are better than vaccines.
Fact: Our immune system is amazing at preventing disease but it needs to be primed so it can respond quicker. Although the vast majority of individuals recover without any long term ill health, a significant number of people will require hospital admission and unfortunately die from the virus. Prevention is better than cure and vaccinations will help reduce the spread of the virus.
This is a naive response. People die from TB (1.5 million a year), influenza, malaria/Dengue/Zika, measles and Ebola, why is SARS-CoV-2 any different?
We have 3 billion years of evolution in our immune system. Most organisms only have the innate system. We have the adaptive immune system in addition. The former is general purpose and is relatively quick. The latter is slower to respond.
If a cell gets infected then part of our innate system will induce apoptosis. Other parts of the innate system will destroy non-self. Dendritic cells pattern match to non-self organisms/cells/viruses and present the rna/dna to the T cells. The response to the vaccine by the immune system is identical to the virus itself. This is community immunity.

The death rate from the Vaxx (hundreds now dead if you add up Norway, USA, EU) might now be higher as a % (1-2%), than the death from CV itself (0.3%). Will this useless gov’t and the Fake News follow this ‘story’ as well?

If 370 people under age 60, have died from CV 19 in the UK; why would anyone, how could anyone, rationalise, under any circumstances vaxxing the ‘entire population’? Illogical. So, why the ‘rush’ to do it, when vaxxing does not, never has, never will, cannot, stop viral transmissions….????

Is there any scientific proof that flu vaxxes stop transmission? Pfizer’s 53 page report says it will not stop transmission.

Quality response, p(n).

I am very pleased to see the Institute of Actuaries report today, which corroborates what I have been saying for weeks – the second wave is so small compared to the first that they cannot be put in the same category.

I think their comparison to 2019 is unreasonable as that year had an exceptionally low death rate, and if you look at the last 5 years, according to their figures, you get 54,600. I make it closer to 46,600 (depends on estimates of 2020 population)  and if you take the whole year it’s around 41,700.

So in a population of around 60 million (England and Wales) the worst case is 0.09% died from this disease (but it will be far less because many of the excess deaths were from the effects of lockdown). For the under 75s, it’s around .02%, 1 in 12,000, and that was virtually all in April.

So pleased the Government are destroying our kids’ education, devastating peoples lives and throwing millions out of jobs and into despair because of this !

As regards the ‘second wave’, excess deaths are running at around 500-750 per week compared to around 11,000 in April. So let’s be clear, the second wave is just a ripple compared to the first.

Overall death rates did not change in 2020.
In using their source data, I built an app to analyse trends, between 70-76 K have died per year, from flu-pneum-resp in the past 5 years. Their own data.

Flu in 2020 was far below avg (by 25%). ~15 K of the CV dead is from flu-pneu-resp in 2020. Heart disease is below the 5 yr avg in 2020, accounting for another ~ 5K. Dementia under the average by ~5 K as well.

Max CV dead thus far about 60 K of which according to SAGE 2/3 died with, not from CV 19.

Do you have a figure for how many of the total excess deaths occurred at home ?
Deaths at home are likely to be collateral deaths, rather than ‘Covid deaths’

It’s not a second wave; it’s the winter peak.

Lockdown enthusiasts are the most repulsive, selfish beings I have ever personally encountered.

They will destroy as many lives as is necessary to continue to indulge their deluded fantasy of remaining safe from the threat of a super virus.

There is no amount of facts about the death rates, the PCR tests, the masks, the circular logic of lockdowns, no amount of information about the misery and anguish they are causing that you can put in front of them to reconsider their self-righteous position.

They are the sort of people that cheered when others were burnt at the stake for heresy or enjoyed the spectacle of public hangings. They are the willing obedient guards of the concentration camps. They are the mental midgets that cheer on bullies loudest when they are ganging up someone to make sure the bully doesn’t go for them.

They go through life with shrivelled ambition of being the most obedient and enthusiastic participants of the herd.

I don’t believe for one minute that any one of these hideous zealots is going through any sort of difficulty or anxiety from lockdowns. The pain being caused is entirely abstract and alien to their lives, which is what allows them to speak of the suffering being perpetrated in the callous, heartless, dismissive manner they do. When they talk about saving lives it is posturing to cover up their complete moral emptiness. Their fear and concerns are only for themselves.

These monsters are members of the biggest, most deluded, must destructive cult in the history of humanity – the zero covid cult. They are wrecking society and livelihoods because they are mentally incapable of adjusting their minds to the fact that we have the death rate of 2007 until they are told to do so by a higher authority.

THEY ARE FUCKING, HORRIBLE MONSTERS.

And this question, that I have put to many a lockdownista, brings them up short:

“Are you still being paid?”

Being determines consciousness. A Marxist principle. The ones who like lockdowns can clearly work from home, have secure jobs, do not work in the hospitality industry etc. That the main push-back so far (though inadequate) is coming from small businesses in places like Italy tells its own story.

I have yet to meet a lockdownista that is missing out on any of their own income. Well I’m not missing out on any income either (being on a pension) but I’m still anti-Lockdown (even though I’m in a better position than many to cope with it).

Or “How big is your pension pot?”

Because like you and ElizaP, I’ve yet to meet a lockdownista who hasn’t lost a job or has lost a lot of money from their savings and pensions. I’m lucky that I’ve been paid throughout (as my employer is not allowed to put us on furlough) but I would carry on calling for an end to lockdown and restrictions.

“Are you still eating”?

Ah, but my friend the LD Fascists (I view all of this as Fascism, ie. private property is still allowed for now, and Corporatism runs amok – slightly different than Communism), will tell you (nay scream), that they are:

-Moral
-Scientific
-Caring
-Concerned
-Rational, critical thinkers
-Disdainful of religious zealots (like me a Catholic)
-Following the evidence…..

And of course they will have 1 story about the 2nd cousin-great aunts-transgendered-Black-Muslim-grandfather who passed away due to CV. And their sister was ill from it too.

Ergo sceptics are lower than Drumpf and Brexiteers.

They are certainly very selfish imo. One can understand if people say “Not in my name” and refuse to have others suffer Lockdown because they personally are scared and admit to being scared and maybe even sympathise with them for being scared. But those who insist on imposing their fears on others/restricting others are showing a huge level of selfishness and won’t even be honest enough to admit that their concern for themselves (ie one person) outweighs their concern for, say, 10 people being adversely impacted one way or another by Lockdown. They could at least be honest enough to say “Yes – I’m selfish – I’m putting me first/last/only place for consideration and blow everyone else” instead of hiding behind a veil of (apparent) concern for other scaredy-cats like themselves (oh and, of course, our beloved NHS).

I don’t believe for one minute that any one of these hideous zealots is going through any sort of difficulty or anxiety from lockdowns. The pain being caused is entirely abstract and alien to their lives, which is what allows them to speak of the suffering being perpetrated in the callous, heartless, dismissive manner they do. When they talk about saving lives it is posturing to cover up their complete moral emptiness. Their fear and concerns are only for themselves.

This ^^^^^

Thought of my BIL who left a comment on my Arsebook page suggesting that I should stay at home then claims that he has a friend here in the UK who died of Covid. Not to minimise the person’s death or sound callous but I bet that the friend had another illness and if my brother-in-law is anything to go by possibly even obese and very likely counted as a Covid statistic even if he died of something else.

As we’ve said here before many of the zealots are not being financially and/or psychologically being impacted by the lockdowns and restrictions. What’s even more repulsive with the likes of my BIL is they live in a Third World country, one that has been named by the UN as having horrendous records number of people sliding back into extreme poverty due to lockdowns. But of course all he cares about is his little family, pampered lifestyle and posturing that he cares about his extended family – me & Mr Bart.

It’s the lockdownista’s version of “Let them eat cake”

Yep, they’re all over the place here as well. Sounding off pro lockdown from gated compounds, all meals delivered by little colonial plebs on motorbikes, bless them, and isn’t it lovely how polite they are! (If only they could speak Thai, they could listen to what they really think of them.)

That doesn’t surprise me. You can bet that its not just expats but wealthy Thais as well who think the same.

I don’t know how lockdown sceptism faring in places like Thailand and the Philippines. Trouble is the majority of people in the latter are fatalistic and don’t seem to realise that lockdown is ruining their lives. Plus won’t be surprised if the Filipino government simply suppressed that UN report I mentioned.

Well said sir they make me fucking sick.

As has been stated many times – this is a direct assault on the working class on behalf of the work from home class

Our local pub was taken over by a young couple from oop North. They rescued it from severe decline caused by the previous useless and lazy tenants. They built it back up and established a fine reputation for food. They were only young, he was 29 but he had always wanted his own pub. The business was going well and we drinking locals had got him properly trained up. Along came the covids. He has now lost in the region of 200K through all this. At an illicit drunken gathering I asked him how much longer he could survive, financially. He said mid March would be it. He has tried to earn pocket money by doing takeaways but it doesn t really go far. He is not eligible for much in the way of support, though he has put his partner/girlfriend on furlough. If this shitshow carries on much longer he (and missis and dogs) will be bankrupt and homeless. They will then have to be housed by the state and some other poor sucker wheeled in to lose their savings in an increasingly insecure industry. I m no expert but I don`t see how driving him, and countless others, into bankruptcy is in any way helpful.

Ah but it stops the locals from socialising and communicating with each other.

Paediatric ITU converted to adult ITU, babies and neonates with cardio respiratory problems will have to travel 40+ miles. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/childrens-intensive-care-suspended-glenfield-4902252
I will be glad to retire at the end of February, this is not what I signed up for. I retrained and qualified as a registered nurse 15 years ago and the NHS, although always a politicised organisation, has itself mutated into something more deadly than CoViD19.

So much for the value of children’s lives.

What a shame you’re retiring. Your posts make it clear to me that we need more like you in the NHS. Can’t say I blame you though.

“In a number of Sunday papers:Scientific advisers said it was “hard to see” when the restrictions would end as new variants continued to emerge, delivering a potentially devastating blow to the travel industry. The prime minister said that after progress with vaccinations……”what we don’t want to see is all that work undone by the arrival of a new variant that is vaccine-busting”.The idea is planted in people’s mind that this virus is mutating in such a way as to evade prior immunity. This is completely unfounded, certainly as regards immunity.. “

“But once you’ve realised that what you’re being told is not correct, I hope you’ll have the courage to accept what that means, and not try to build an argument which defends that incorrect argument. In the end, it’s totally up to you. I’m just an ordinary and……independent scientist who noticed, very early on, that lots of things we were told weren’t correct & instead we’re actively damaging. Sadly, it’s not improved since in any way. Good luck! (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1350776020614451206 )”

Johnson keeps on blagging out this crap about “all our hard work”, “don’t want to waste all out efforts now”…

Here’s what all your “hard work” has achieved since last March.

• inflicted a terrified madness on the population that prevents them from seeing anything in proportion, gladdens them at the prospect of being abused and incarcerated and estranges them from friends and loved ones who disagree;
• destroyed, irreparably, the social and cultural fabric of the nation;
• permanently wrecked the futures and the mental health of a whole generation of children;
• left thousands of vulnerable people to rot and die alone;
• reversed decades of advance in the treatment of cancers and vascular diseases that will CERTAINLY kill;
• ignored preventative and curative therapies for those suffering the immune overreaction to covid infection because they were not on message for your state doctrine of doom, causing thousands of unnecessary COVID deaths even as you acted as if covid was all that mattered;
• trashed the world’s fifth largest economy and indebted future generations for decades by paying people to do nothing for a year, merely postponing an economic reckoning you will have no tools left to combat;
• instilled a culture of policing everything up to and including breathing, whereby it is not just permissible, but admirable and obligatory to snitch on your neighbours for anything up to and including breathing in an unacceptable way.

Mr Johnson, with the greatest respect – fuck off and die.

The Sunk Cost Fallacy.

Really do learn something new every day on here. I’d never heard of that.

Wanksock:
The End is Not Nigh

“I was first drawn into this mess when I met up by chance with a senior manager in NHS England. He’d noticed that, despite ITU beds emptying out late spring & into summer, elective surgery was at an historically low ebb. I’d asked why & he showed me slides from a recent internal.. “

”…meeting. The #1 priority was not, as I’d expected, “Get the NHS back on its feet & start helping those who’d not been seen during the crisis”. No, it was “Run the NHS as lightly loaded as possible, so as to be prepared for the 2nd wave”. I told him viruses didn’t do waves & (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1351368104325111811 )”

Regarding the Lord Sumption situation, the analysis is obvious:

A year of everyone’s live is worth the same.

Then is it rather a case of some having more left to lose than others? And the cost to others of that one year of life?

The value of your life ends where the value of mine begins.

I look at it like this: has the last year been a quality of life year? No.

I’d hazard a guess almost all of the rest of the country agree. Even if they support lockdowns.

Therefore we’ve lost 67 million life years just this year due to Gov madness.

I agree. Such an unfair portrayal of Lord Sumption.
Most people don’t know that normally the NHS uses Quality of life years added to decide who gets the liver transplant for instance. So someone in their 40’s with stage 4 bowel cancer may not get the transplant if there is a healthy 60 year old who also needs it.
Also normally the NHS spends around £80,000 to save a life. Not sure where we are now, but in June it was estimated to be £ 1 million….

Until recently I thought there was a reasonable chance that once the vaccine had been rolled out the government would be keen to declare victory

For whatever reason, that appears not to be the case – they seem to want to live in a permanent state of medical emergency, forever

Because this is not about a virus. Clearly.

The bat cold is the perfect cover for decades of mismanagement UK PLC
Why would they give it up?

It is all about the health passport / digital

The wife of one of my wife’s work colleagues apparently had an adverse reaction to the vaccine the other day.

She’s mid thirties and healthy. She was apparently vomiting, had a temperature of 41 degrees, had the shakes and was finding it difficult to breathe. It was bad enough that they called an ambulance. She hasn’t been admitted to hospital.

Not sure which manufacturer’s vaccine she had.

But she will be counted as a ‘success’ supporting the ‘95% effective’ statistic…because she would not die from the flu anyways and she survived the vaxx…..ergo, great success.

Yes, with such a low bar for ‘success’, anything counts when it comes to this.

Stress induced, surely! Or just ‘coincidence’. I saw that one of the unfortunate US women who suffered horrendous uncontrollable post-vaccine body tremors (including her tongue) was advised by consultants after tests that they couldn’t find anything clinically wrong with her so their conclusion was that it was probably a panic attack. Yeah, of course it was. Why should we think otherwise?

Suggest she immediately report this adverse reaction – unless you report you won’t be able to claim in future. Reminder that some reaction will only become ‘noticeable’ over a long period of time

https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk

https://www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update/reporting-suspected-adverse-drug-reactions-to-vaccines-and-biological-medicines

The same symptoms have been widely reported.

I’m feeling a bit frustrated today

I am against all lockdowns from the first one until now (I can sort of see how panic gave rise to the ‘3 week’ one – but it was clearly unnecessary)

Now we are in a lockdown with no end in sight – is it March? Autumn? When the vulnerable have been vaccinated? What if the vaccine doesn’t work as well as advertised? What about ‘new mutant strains’? What about normal pressure on the NHS next winter – are we still going to be vigorously testing for just one of the 200 colds that knock old people over?

There is no exit plan. My MP has been demanding it (he says) but we know a) it is not forthcoming b) it doesn’t exist – SAGE and the government are winging it and just doing what the most shouty advisors want

I don’t see pressure from the public while furlough is ongoing. Its nice to think in Spring we will all go out and ignore the regulations but last Spring we all happily sat in our gardens

I see the only hope as coming from abroad. Some of our more hot blooded cousins demand an end to lockdown on the continent and the end of the world doesn’t happen

I feel as if we haven’t progressed in a year. Last March/April we ‘flattened the curve’ – but the restrictions stayed (loosened a bit but stayed and the government was on a hair trigger to tighten them)

What is the way out?

Elections. That’s why the government is casting around desperately for an excuse to put the May elections off.

Sadly I can’t see elections changing much – still not enough people on our side

I don’t see a way out in the short to medium term

Stay healthy and sane, look after yourself and your nearest and dearest, and do what you can to fight the madness

Maybe other countries will come out of it quicker, in which case we may have the option of somewhere better to go, though for many reasons this won’t be an option for a lot of us

I keep making the point that proportional representation is the way out which means a big tactical vote for the lib dems at every election possible.

I entirely concede that to be a step too far for most, the lib dems being what they are, but, with the two main parties clones of each other, I believe that sometimes you just have to hold your nose and vote for something disagreeable to achieve the deferred benefit of a system amenable to the start up of the new young parties that this country (and not just this country. Pelosi/Harris ‘reaching out’ to Republicans ain’t happenin’, ever!) so desperately needs.

If they are still having that summit in June, how are they going to cancel May elections? They might be hypocritical enough to do so, though.
All the main parties are on with Covid hysteria, though. If explicitly anti-lockdown parties or groups are going to stand, they need to be organising now.

These guys are up to everything.

Only a seismic vote against the two main parties in May’s council elections, London mayoral election, will get the message across.

London, with Piers Corbyn standing, could be interesting……

London also has David Kurten (a lockdown sceptic) standing so I guess Piers will just split the sceptic vote.

The sceptic vote appears to be insinificant. We shall see…

More importantly, in my view, Mr Corbyn will take a lot of votes away from the incumbent……..

Well I reckon most people are privately thinking that they will quietly start breaking rules anyway, it reads to me as if Hancock knows this and is running scared.

Whatever the opinion polls say people seem to me to be breaching more and more of the regulations or “recommendations” – total compliance with them is probably impossible anyway. The odd mover and shaker caught without a mask or going out and about is certainly a hypocrite but also an indication that this thing is eroding.

His latest pronouncements reek of desperation. Surely he should know that everything from restrictions to masks to vaccines are not going according to plan.

If businesses have the gumption to follow Italy, Switzerland and Poland then this whole edifice will fall apart.

I hope you’re right. But bearing in mind his lack of acting skills, he doesn’t look like a man who is running scared right now.

This is the future of the country, right here, in this argument:

‘ “All lives are not of equal value – the older you are, the less valuable yours is because there’s less of it left.”

And

‘Who are you to put a value on life? In my view, and I think in many others, life is sacred and I don’t think we should make those judgement calls. All life is worth saving regardless of what life it is people are living.”

If our government cannot make a reasoned and objective cost benefit of where lies the greater good of the greater number, and it manifestly has not, then it is clearly derelict in its first duty of defence of the realm.

This argument that someone’s life at 95 is the same as a 5 yr old is completely idiotic and is compounded by the NHS slapping DNR notices on anyone over 55 who happens to come through the doors of a hospital. It’s sickening hypocrisy to be honest.

Looking forward to framing mine (so the paramedics can’t miss it) as soon as it pops through the door (I’m 67+).

I am of the opinion lockdowns don’t work.
Thinking…..ok, so now with a vaccine the government has a way out and can try to save face….
But, now instead of grasping that opportunity they are still stuck on the lockdown conveyor belt.
I have not understood anything that is happening from day one, and still fail to despite desperately trying…

And even those who try to argue that they are worthwhile in the short term cannot claim that they are a viable strategy in the long term. The longer you do it, the more the costs dwarf the benefits.

So I wonder what the likes of Snowdon and Haimes will say to this latest Hancock pronouncement.

May I suggest, you’re looking in the wrong place for answers.

1. Do they want a way out?
2. When has any government ever taken away rights then given them back?

They may allow the Coronavirus Act 2020 to go extinct when the sun goes down, but the next dawn will breath life into a new more draconian public health act 2021.

People that wont accept this is a political crisis will continue to suffer in denial. There is only one solution the whole circus & its all of its clowns have to go, sooner the better.

They are either wicked or barking mad or both

That letter to Geoffrey Cox is spot on and one I’ve encountered a fair number of times. If anything the whole farrago about masks illustrates several things I’ve noticed over the past few months:

1. many people (even educated ones) are easily brainwashed and don’t bother to do their research and reading. A point that the letter writer made himself when he queried why the government who are ready to patronise the public with their slogans never bother to think that the same public won’t bother to read the guidelines.
2. All the campaigns about mental health and disability awareness over the last few years were only lip service and any improved public attitudes towards both is only skin deep. During this crisis, attitudes towards mental health and people with disabilities have regressed back to the Stone Age. If this carries on, we will be back in the Pre-Cambrian Era.
3. Solzhenitsyn himself would have been vindicated if he ever came back to life and saw what was going on – that people commit evil because they believe that they’re doing good. So people who virtue signal with their muzzles and abuse those who can’t wear them think they’re doing it for the good for the public but actually are committing evil. Something we should hammer home especially when this shit show is over and these virtue signallers try to deny their complicity in all these.
4. The supermarkets and their overpaid CEOs are stupid and have allowed the government to manipulate them into carrying out their dirty work. Made worse further as supermarket workers are poorly paid and poorly trained.

The only thing we can do is to keep on fighting back. The government and those who insist on these muzzles should know they haven’t got a leg to stand on. Not only for legal reasons but also to halt the slide into totalitarianism and further division of our society.

Great post.

The only one good thing on the supermarkets ‘clamping’ down on masks is that for the first time the concept of ‘exemptions’ got some air time. The rest of the message is horrible. Hopefully people will vote with their feet and/or do more of their purchases from independent shops and less from these supermarkets.

The worst supermarket is Waitrose!

Exactly. Hopefully this farce with the supermarkets is making more people aware of exemptions and the fact that abuse and harassment of exempt people is fairly widespread and unacceptable.

Waitrose isn’t the worst for me. It’s my local M&S which I’ve boycotted since despite their apologies.

I have had no problems at all in Waitrose. In my shop they even still have the dividers!

I work for a very high profile luxury dept store. The mask has been enforced, not encouraged, mine and colleagues distress has been ignored, never has any information on exemption, and damn near threw a hiss fit, when, finally having had enough of it, I claimed exemption. I’ve also asked for the risk assessment, which so far, hasn’t been forthcoming.

Your employer is certainly treading on shaky ground if they refuse to even discuss your exemptions much less honour it.

This is an interesting one to watch. It’s generally been anticipated that it’s just under 1 week from 1st infection to a test being able to identify the virus.
If you’re one of the few who gets ill then a further week to 2 weeks before hospitalisation.
Then if you’re incredibly unlucky & die that’s normally 2 to 3 weeks after hospital admission.
The current data seems to show it all converging. Which probably means, false positives or people catching the virus just before they die of something else when already in hospital.

I think this is at the core of the ‘with’ or ‘from’ argument

if its ‘with’, cases, hospitalisations and deaths will tend to converge

but deaths and those in hospital are having tested over last 28 days so will all lag – even if every case was a false positive

Or they are fiddling the figures to make it look like this pointless lockdown, which no one is observing anyway, is responsible for a sudden fall in deaths…

I don’t think they are fiddling the figures – I just don’t think they are very useful

‘anyone who has tested positive in hospital in the last 28 days’ – then repeatedly testing them with an unknown FP and sending to rapidly opened labs with poorly trained staff etc

its just got very little to do with going or being treated in hospital for covid

Age-standardised mortality rates standardised using the 2013 European Standard Population, England, 1971 to 2020

Year   Rate per 100,000
1971   1808.43
1972   1865.82
1973   1839.50
1974   1819.81
1975   1792.63
1976   1834.31
1977   1732.02
1978   1735.69
1979   1742.85
1980   1681.99
1981   1657.45
1982   1653.52
1983   1629.35
1984   1573.77
1985   1618.07
1986   1570.50
1987   1508.30
1988   1508.69
1989   1506.01
1990   1456.35
1991   1458.92
1992   1409.00
1993   1445.78
1994   1368.91
1995   1384.47
1996   1365.95
1997   1343.34
1998   1321.88
1999   1312.06
2000   1259.81
2001   1229.33
2002   1225.01
2003   1225.34
2004   1156.56
2005   1137.59
2006   1099.27
2007   1084.54
2008   1085.45
2009   1027.75
2010   1010.97
2011   972.91
2012   981.27
2013   979.08
2014   946.73
2015   986.57
2016   959.79
2017   959.00
2018   956.10
2019   918.60
2020   1037.30 (Provisional)

Sources:
1. 1971 to 2016: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/008520agestandardisedmortalityratesstandardisedusingtheboth2013and1976europeanstandardpopulationsbysexengland1971to2016 [accessed 19 January 2021].

2. 2017 to 2020: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/december2020 [accessed 19 January 2021].

The number of deaths in my area of London since March remains the same a grand total of six. I checked the area where are used to live and it remains 12 with no further deaths since earlier this year and this is an area with a couple of care facilities. I wonder where all these so called increased deathscome from?

Listened to the GMB clip.Regarding the lad first up, I didn’t know that a Covid side effect was to make you say “like” in every sentence.

Both their ‘gotchas’ to ‘trap’ Lord Gumption proved the opposite. An old man (Tom Moore) was encouraged to agree that he would not be resuscitated and a young man was not and benefited from major resources that would be denied someone older. For instance the 40ish chap with type 1 diabetes that I went sailing with on a Thames barge in August 2019 has died because his cancer treatment was not completed last summer by the National Covid Service. What a pity he can’t tell his story to Piers Morgan and Susanna “Not hard enough” Reid.

‘ If the answer is no then social distancing policies are likely to remain until every adult has been vaccinated, which the Government aims to do by September. The first four groups (14 million people) are due to be vaccinated by the middle of next month.’

See, again it’s that automatic assumption held by quite a few MSM outlets that all adults will be vaccinated, regardless of whether they want it or not and regardless of whether it is appropriate for that patient’s personal medical need. Really quite scary that the MSM just assumes that everyone will be lining up to take an unlicensed emergency medical treatment for a disease that the vast majority survive with no ill effects.

And who else thinks that the MSM will emotionally blackmail those that refuse – not only in terms of ‘You’re killing granny!!’ but also ‘We are only still in lockdown because people have refused the vaccine, how dare they be so selfish, it’s THEIR fault we’re still locked up!’

I don’t care how hard the MSM ramps up the propaganda. I am a healthy 22-year-old and I will not take this vaccine until I am ready because there is simply no long-term data and for someone of my age and health profile, the risks of the vaccine outweigh the risks of the disease. In any sane world the discussion would end there, but we crossed the Rubicon of medical ethics long ago.

The press are trying to make it true by saying it. People believe what they are told. Goebbels would be pleased with what is going on now. No, most adults won’t take the vaccine. Coercion is illegal and the press are a disgrace.

The fact this country has even floated the idea of mandatory vaccinations will forever stain my opinion of it.

This is nothing like Great Britain and has not been for a while.

Stick to you guns, do what’s right by yourself, so not participate on your own enslavement.

I am in the same boat although a bit older than yourself at 46, with no comorbidities. The additional factor for me is that my daughter suffered a catastrophic, incurable vaccine injury after her pre school MMR. When the vaccine is fully licensed I might think about it, until then, no thanks.

Sorry to hear about your daughter. I hope. she’s as well as can be. My boy has got his 3 yr 3mnth jabs coming up …

Don’t have it, Will. You don’t need it.
These mRNA vaccines are not good and it is my prediction (previously posted) that they will not continue. But how many will be damaged by the time they are stopped is the question.

I’m with you pops & i am way older , stick to your guns

Agree with you Poppy. I’m turning 43 this year, no underlying illness, last had the flu 25-30 years ago and never had the flu vaccine. Why should I have this Covid vaccine when the risks for someone even in my age group outweighs the benefits?

NO! NEIN! NEVER!

I can’t believe it’s not mentioned in the media how it’s unclear that it may impact fertility. Anyone who wants children in the future will need to think seriously about this. Men and women.

It appears to me that the sort of middle-class, comfortable, globalist gimps who blindingly support this vaccine are the same people who have abstract, dinner-party conversations about ‘overpopulation’ and how people need to stop having children… and yet they’d be the first to complain in 25-30 years’ time when there are no carers, doctors, plumbers, engineers, etc…

Many of those I know who blindly support the vaccine are my millenial colleagues. I’ve wondered if they thought of the consequences while at the same time whining why they can’t find someone they can be in a relationship that will lead to marriage and children.

The difference between opinion polls and the eventual result of an election conducted through a secret ballot has often been remarked upon.

The vaccine is a sort of secret ballot. No one needs to know whether you’ve had the poison or not. I am quite happy to tell everyone I’m not going near it, but that’s my choice.

I’m pretty sure employers won’t be able to insist on knowing, and if a few travel firms choose to do so then they can be among the many travel firms who go bust – travel margins are unlikely to be sufficiently generous to allow firms to pick and choose their clients to much degree.

In any case the legal arguments would go on for years, by which time I guess the claims for compensation owing to vaccine damage will be well advanced.

I’d love to be that positive about it. However, I see countries mandating it as a requirement for entry. Therego, you can’t travel and you can’t book a holiday without it.

I reckon that maybe at the start they’ll try to restrict entry, but as larger countries don’t do it the practice will gradually be abandoned. Just my speculation of course.

If I was a country with nice weather, beaches etc, I would allow un vaxxed entry. I would be swamped and make a killing out of all the happy tourists – until the rest caught up and dropped their requirements.

Quite. Money and profit is a great swayer of motivation.

might we come up with a snappy ‘Prick exempt’ lanyard. Perhaps a penis rampant with a big X over it?

https://c19ivermectin.com/

Revamped page also showing all the stydies for Vit. C & D, HCQ, Zinc, PVP-I, Remdesivir guess which one is least effective, most expensive and the one pushed hard by the BBC

Also includes a count of lives tat could be saved if they used these cheap drugs.

I like to publish the Euromomo data every now & then especially for the Celtic side of the family. Good to know that you’re trashing the economy to achieve……. to achieve the same death rate we normally have!

we have uk weekly all cause deaths out today

useless though – if its above – could be catch up on reporting over xmas

if its below – could be catch up on reporting over xmas

etc

Look at the Republic figures on Euromomo, they’ve somehow stopped all kinds of death

Yes, Ireland has simultaneously the highest rate of infections in the world & the lowest rate of deaths ever!

As a former lover of watching professional tennis (now refuse to, just play when I can and watch amateurs) I am delighted to see the whole paper thin facade that entertainement for the masses can be provided with coronapanic restrictions in place being torn asunder

More players have tested +ve in Australia, senior players are lobbying for restrictions to be eased, other players are criticising them, players are confined to their bedrooms to practice against the wall

I feel sorry for the lower ranked players (anyone outside maybe top 50 doesn’t actually earn that much) and the people employed by them and by the tennis industry, but it is all part of the bread and circuses strategy to keep the masses appeased and I hope more and more people just don’t bother with it

If I was an Australian wanting to get home, being told there was insufficient quarantine space, I would be outraged to see all these foreigners by-passing the queue just so they can play tennis.

Tennis players practicing in their room is peak coronabollocks couldn’t stop laughing at the absurdity of it.

Off topic but another video surfaces of the US election irregularities.

This is of the audit in Michigan and the supervisor ordering the counters to accept all the known fake votes:

https://twitter.com/Charles28973069/status/1351027067136204804

So how long and how much does it take for a “conspiracy theory” to become “truth”?

Just count them and we will kick the issue of duplicate signatures into the long grass.

Thats how that looks.

If Trumpy is going to present all this evidence of fraud, he`d better get a move on!

does anyone know which elections have been cancelled so far? maybe across europe (I think there have been lots of cancellations in the developing world)

1 – london mayor elections

Thuringia regional in Germany.

Same region where Merkelator did not like the coalition formed after the last election and ‘arranged’ to get a different coalition installed.

well, if it saves one life:-

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/covid-lockdowns-will-result-1-million-excess-deaths-over-next-15-years-scientists-find

That’s a massive under estimate, the consequences of lockdown & economic catastrophe will likely kill & imperil tens of millions, if you find illegal immigration problematic now wait until there are mass famine migrations, they’ll only head in one direction, NORTH!

far too low. 15 million life years in UK at bare minimum (a harsh recession takes 3 months off everyones life on average) + missed cancer etc

“News” in the making:

https://gab.com/KTHopkins

If you can get on gab that is.

She never holds anything back does she.

Gab been working fine for me for a few days now
Even on my phone
Don’t forget the groups

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054
Lockdown sceptics https://gab.com/groups/7848

From the Telegraph: “Getting Covid vaccine could prompt public to abandon rules, say scientists. Ministers urged to warn people that vaccination is not a licence to ignore lockdown restrictions”

So there we have it. The vaccine, that marvel of human ingenuity which was talked up for several months as the route out of this catastrophe, is now revealed to be yet another carrot on the stick to lead the gullible masses further down the road, like lambs to the slaughter.

So this is how I see it – we’re supposed to take an experimental, unlicensed vaccine for a disease 99.9% of us will survive, which won’t give us immunity to said disease so therefore we need to stay masked up, locked up and compliant until unelected, well-paid government scientists with a track record of utter failure decide to release us from this torture.

I watched V for Vendetta last night. Oh how we need a public rebellion of the scale depicted in that film to end this Orwellian nightmare. A phrase uttered by the hero couldn’t resonate more perfectly:

“People shouldn’t be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”

Vaxx’s never stop transmission. The morons, sorry, ‘scientists’, have said for months it does. Why? Well up to your view on what you think is going on. Said on purpose, due to ignorance, hope, or what the pharma told them to get the huge monies to develop it?

Flu vaxx’s have 60 years of failure. Fake News does the usual post winter, ‘why did the flu vaxx fail again’, every single year. Many have taken the flu vaxx and still been sick. Some from the vaxx, some from a virus ‘variant’ that the vaxx did not anticipate.

They will use this to enforce Diapers (useless) and Distancing (de-humanising) for a very long time…..99.7% recovery rate remember. Malaria is more deadly.

as the great Malcolm Tucker put it: “I think we should use the carrot and stick approach. Take the carrot, stick it up his f&cking ar$e, followed by the stick, followed by an even bigger, rougher carrot.” Or was it M Hancock?

Agreed. I used to love that film but now it’s reality , only we do not have a V figure bringing this fight to the government. We have nobody and this will never end.

A flash mob in supermarkets wearing V masks and black cloaks (a black binbag would do the trick) would be a nice statement. Wear a mask and PPE – help our supermarket Save Lives. You’re welcome – penny for the Guy?

Why would Trump sign this Executive Order?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-protecting-law-enforcement-officers-judges-prosecutors-families/

I just want to leave Australia. God, it’s rough. They’re saying widespread travel won’t be back until next year even after the vaccine.

I feel like at least yous have the beach and good weather?

It’s hell in Scotland but maybe i’m suffering from my own personal bias?

Point of info – most of Scotland is closer to a beach than most of Australia

Ah but that’s useless without the good weather!

Agreed which is why I never go to the beach in Scotland

Don’t come here, Caramel. It’s just as bad and the weather is vile.

“ Lockdown has caused far more destruction than we can ever recover from. Forgive us if we don’t feel like celebrating the success of the mass vaccine rollout. It’s come at the cost of our lives.”

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/why-i-am-not-sharing-the-vaccine-jubilation/

Simple yet effective. Please share wherever you can.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BslFT9cKZwc

Thoughts on the immune system … It seems strange to me that there has been so little discussion on our immune system. Whilst I don’t understand the workings of the immune system completely (does anyone?) it does seem to be pretty amazing.

For the vast majority of us, our immune system will easily deal with covid and prevent us from getting seriously ill. But if our immune system is weakened, then it is less effective at fighting viruses, putting us more at risk of serious illness.

However, so many policies introduced this year to “protect us”, have had a detrimental effect on the smooth functioning of our immune system. Some examples…

• Govt comms strategy of instilling fear and panic = increased anxiety / poor sleep = weakened immune system
• Closing of business / schools / clubs / society in general = increased levels of stress = weakened immune system
• Scaring the crap out of people so they stay indoors during spring / summer = less vitamin D via sunlight = weakened immune system
• Enforced sedentary behaviour (i.e. stay at home) = less physical activity = weakened immune system

It is difficult to imagine a set of policies which could be worse at weakening our immune system than those which have been introduced in the past year.

Like many of us here, I am certainly not anti-vax, but I am also not an immune system-denier! We have an immune system. It is brilliant. Why has the mainstream debate become so unbalanced? It’s like the immune system doesn’t exist, and the only thing which can save us is the vaccination. Where are all the doctors and nurses and nutritionists who know this? Why aren’t they speaking out? Why aren’t they challenging the policies which are making the nation’s health weaker?

I agree with you on this our immune systems are incredible and work to remove disease from our bodies.

This whole thing of constant staying safe and cleaning everything with in an inch of its life has been going on for a good few years now. I would imagine its driven by the desire to sell products and therefore make money. And it’s easy to do that if you aim for people’s weak spots which is their health and family so to protect your family use this product to avoid any illness.

I’ve never bought into this world of constant cleaning probably due to owning ponies and having worked on a farm.

There was a study done once about who was the healthiest children brought up on farms exposed to lots of dirt and muck etc or children brought up in a very clean environment. And the children on the farms were deemed healthier and less likely to get allergies etc.

So agree with this. This constant anti-bac-ing of everything is very bad for health. I trust my immune system far more than I trust a damaging cocktail of chemicals.

We’ve seen that with a lot of kids now who seem to catch every cold and bug going.

Children in air polluted 80’s Russia had less Asthma than children in the West which by then was introducing cleaner air measures.

Anyone I know who is OCD about cleanliness, always seems to get sick or bugs more often.
I grew up spending time on both Grandparents farms and getting mucky and I rarely got ill, even with having asthma.

Add to that list that people are spending more time indoors hence don’t have the opportunity for sunlight to boost their vit D levels.

Well said. If this was seriously about health, the government and NHS would have been bombarding us with the following:

1. eat sensibly and healthily
2. go out, exercise
3. Vitamin D (plus Vitamin C, zinc, magnesium)
4. take care of your mental health – go out, socialise, do the things you love
5. catch it, bin it, kill it

Yet there’s none of the above which are crucial to keeping our immune systems healthy and ticking over. All of their measures – lockdown, muzzling, social distancing, sanitising, etc have been all designed to weaken the immune system. It makes you wonder why they’re doing this and why hardly anyone in the medical profession has been speaking out against all these?

One of the very first things I thought was odd about the whole situation last year.
Well said.

The policies are all based on the science (as we have been so often told), so it has to be deliberate.

Interesting story in the local Derbyshire Media about an individual who caught the CCP Virus at Derby hospital, got discharged an then ill. Infection control looks to be a major problem at Derby Hospital. The vast difference in performance between hospitals and NHS Trust is staggering, figures the media are very reluctant to pick up on. When Bunter finally decides the time is right to lift the current restrictions Derby won’t be top of the list for sure, with the hospital performance it has. That is a sad fact, made worse by Hancock attaching the whole county to Derby, when many don’t go to Derby Hospital ever.

One person who pops up in the media who should bear a huge responsibility for the NHS disaster in places like Derby, which has led to the current shutdown that will scar for decades (although many think they are immune, few will be) is ex health secretary Jeremy Hunt. ICU beds are half what they were in 1990 and the reductions in Hunt’s tenure were huge, despite warnings of possible pandemic on the cards. Hunt did nothing and now we have the CCP Virus with an NHS with far more management costs but less critical care beds, by far.

Current government ministers rightly get criticism for the lies and appalling decisions but whenever Hunt appears, as he did last week I hear a man with a very guilty conscience, desperate not to end up hooked.

I think that’s a perceptive point about Hunt.

Deep Blue Yonder posted this data below, for those who prefer it as a chart….

Thanks NickR!

If you want to get rid of the blip at the end, adjust for age of population as well. 2020 then on trend.

The data in the graph (and in my post earlier today) is age-standardised mortality rates, so does actually take into account changes in the age structure of the population. It is based on the 2013 European Standard Population.

It’s a great little dataset. It says to someone aged say 72 that for 5/6ths of their lives they’ve survived years when the a higher proportion of the population died each year than is the case this year.

The Rapists Dad

Declared children’s winter clothes were not essential in winter

Closed the toy shops in the weeks before Christmas

Has a pathological hatred of public houses and any form of entertainment

Cancelled Christmas

Refuses to supply the elderly with ‘vaccine’

Even the Covidians are starting to hate him

We all have to face the fact that if we ever want to return back to “normal” we are actually going to have to physically remove these globalist commies.

That’s why he is not running next time
Labour can brush it off and say it was that guys fault
Vote for us anyway
And they will

“ The Rapists Dad”

Rape is a vile form of control of one person over another.

Therein may lie the problem, the evil could be hereditary.

He’s a socialist what did you expect?

That podcast with the WHO rep is just sickening. The first thing the conspiracy theorists noted was dthe existence of the Wuhan lab in very place of the outbreak and the gain of function research.

The idea of the fish market being the source was straight away dismissed as a distraction. I have read since that they demolished that market 4 weeks into the first reports, no reason to believe they wouldn’t do such a thing.

These people are sick. They put up this research into the light as some kind of grand humanitraian endeavour, and sure, maybe the researchers see it that way. But make no mistake, once they have the tech to provide a solution to a problem not yet in existence (coronavirus pandemic), teh incentive to create that problem artificially would be immense. The profits would be collasal and recurring. It would be the biggest enterprise ever and it would also confer such political power that all manner of agendas could be dragged into view, on the basis of resolving the crisis.

We are being hoodwinked and marched into the Gulag people.

You can tell when an election was fair and square because countries with fair and open elections always have 25,000 armed troops surrounding the seat of power on inauguration day !

Imagine if Drumpf had done the same….’fascist’, ‘dictator’, the idiots would scream. Biden the half-wit CCP criminal puppet with his 30 mn vote fraud….’heroic’, ‘fighting against White KKK racism’. etc etc.

Kamaltoe already has the knife ready

That theatre could be designed though. It could be there to invite confrontation and bring in repression. The USA is one big game right now.

I wouldn’t put it past the Dems to have put someone up to attempting to assassinate Biden at the inauguration. He will survive of course, but the assassin will undoubtedly die in the attempt to hide the truth. Biden will be removed as no longer able to perform the duties and replaced by Harris. She immediately orders a national lockdowm and curfew, enforced by troops to “protect the citizens from acts of domestic terrorism.”

Great minds…

This inauguration is ripe for a false flag moment.

You know who I think is the real villain in all this, in the UK at least: Whitty.

Whitty appears to control SAGE, and with SAGE behind him he controls HM Government. Shame on Johnson for allowing that, but there we are – the rubbish we elect to govern us.

But the real villain is Whitty.

Remember that photo of Whitty, Hancock, Johnson et. al. The body language in that image spoke volumes.

Yes – although I do wonder about it. It’s odd that someone was taking pictures in those circumstances, and no one seems to be noticing the camera. You would normally be taking pictures on your smartphone or whatever during a very high-level government meeting. And then it’s as if whoever let it out seemed to want to make a point.

I just assumed it was taken to show that the government and their advisors were hard at work ‘doing something’. Again, a bit more propaganda.

Yes, you are probably correct – maybe I just have too suspicious a mind, especially nowadays.

I think the main problem is

i) SAGE believe Ferguson’s model

ii) they refuse to look at the effects of lockdown on non-covid deaths

iii) they think they are clever

and then

i) Johnson has delegated to SAGE

ii) Johnson hasn’t either a) told SAGE to look at lockdown deaths or b) set up another SAGE to look at lockdown deaths

SAGE refuse to look at lockdown deaths and yet make policy pronouncements and if they aren’t enacted immediately they go to the media

I think you’re first i-iii can be replaced by i. SAGE are narcissists and sociopaths.

You’re second i-ii is correct, although it needs a iii. Johnson is intellectually lazy, shirks responsibility, and is a moral coward.

Hancock promised that the government would conduct an assessment of the deaths due to lockdown measures on 10 April 2020. He asserted that this would be undertaken as a matter of urgency and reported to the public immediately. When the government introduced Lockdown Version Three on 6 January 2021, the SI clearly stated there was no impact assessment. The government know that lockdowns kill: they are wilfully looking the other way.

Maajid Nawaz cited a DHSC study. It’s still unpublished. Why could that be?

Here’s an interview with David Davis MP on vitamin D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQyhjQUjHjU&ab_channel=Dr.JohnCampbell

Davis has more or less a degree in biochemistry although the ‘new universities’ as they were then didn’t call it that. I listened to part of it yesterday evening,

Is this the report you are referring to: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/initial-estimates-of-excess-deaths-from-covid-19-8-april-2020

Sorry no I don’t think so. From what Nawaz said it would be more recent, i.e. late 2020.

Personally, if Maajid Nawaz told me it was Tuesday I wouldn’t take his word for it.

It must feel fantastic to think you are saving thousands of lives. I suppose this in part explains their reluctance to give it up.

The only things Whitty is interested are indulging his ego and saving is his own skin.

I humbly beg to differ

Whitty may be less than honest, but the PM and cabinet and parliament and the media in that order have enabled/worsened this

I quite agree that they’ve been worse than useless – but imagine if they had a proper Chief Medical Officer, instead of a Chief Civid Officer, and imagine if there had been a proper SAGE, drawn from a wide range of backgrounds. I think both the cover for the government’s actions and much of the pressure, would have been lacking, or at least much decreased – allowing a better balanced discussion.

The buck ultimately stops with Johnson though, and I trust he will pay the price.

People who died within days of having the vaccine “likely died of underlying conditions and were 75+ anyway.”

People who died of any cause within 30 days of a positive test? 100% covid deaths, even if they are 75+ with underlying conditions.

The double think is startling. I’m sure everyone has good days and bad days at the moment, and today is a very bad day. I feel no hope that this will ever end.

its circular reasoning

we count deaths within 28 days of covid +ve as covid
we dont count deaths within 28 days of vaccine as vaccine

why? because covid is bad for you and vaccines are good for you

what’s your proof? covid is killing a lot of people, vaccines aren’t

There’s an agenda, and it’s clear. How about today’s article fro the DM about the South African strain – so dangerous and highly infectious, yet there have been 54 cases since October. Cognitivie dissonance all round. Anyone who can’t see it has believed the propagada.

Take heart, Chloe, this is a dark time yes but reason, truth, and love will prevail. You are not alone and we are all in our individual ways fighting for the truth to come out and for normal life, albeit altered in the sense of more consciousness about how we live, to resume. This utter madness must not be allowed to take hold. There are many people doing a sterling effort to inform others: we have many eminent scientists, doctors, academics, politicians, writers, and people from all walks of life who are on your side. None of us accept this nonsense and we will carry on striving for balance, truth, and freedom. We will never kowtow to this lying, conniving cabal. We won’t take their experimental vaccines or their lies. The best things we can do are to organise ourselves, connect with like-minded people, talk to others who don’t know and look after your health, take supplements, eat healthily, exercise, do breathing exercises, meditate if you can and don’t lose heart. Ever. Best wishes and hugs.

15 signs you are in an abusive relationship. Now apply those to what the government has been doing. 1. Stop you seeing friends and family. 2. Won’t let you go out without permission. 3. Tell you what to wear. 4. Monitor your phone and emails. 5. Control the finances or won’t let you work. 6. Control what you read, watch and say. 7. Monitor everything you do. 8. Punish you for breaking the rules, but the rules keep changing. 9. Tell you it’s for your own good and that they know better. 10. Don’t allow you to question it. 11. Tell you you’re crazy and that no one believes you. 12. Call you names or shame you for being stupid and selfish. 13. Gaslight you. Challenge your memory of events and make you doubt yourself. 14. Dismiss your opinions. 15. Play the victim. If things go wrong, it’s all your fault.

Parliament made coercive control illegal, but not if the government is the perpetrator.

https://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/news/treasury-signals-self-employed-tax-equalisation-ahead-of-march-budget/a1451809?re=81593&ea=223427&utm_source=BulkEmail_NMA_Daily_EAM&utm_medium=BulkEmail_NMA_Daily_EAM&utm_campaign=BulkEmail_NMA_Daily_EAM

looks like confirmation of the move towards social credits and UBI – “harmonising” the tax system in this way makes it easier to control who gets paid what and how.

Financial secretary to the Treasury Jesse Norman says self-employed workers should be taxed at the same rate as employed workers.

So self-employed workers that has no guarantee of income every month, that has to also make company and employee pension contribution, provide for sick leave, provide for annual leave, etc and in addition has to also pay employer NI on top of their employee NI now has to pay the ‘same’ tax as employed workers.

What is Jesse Norma trying to say? Tax rates are the same, the only difference is the deductions (having to run a business).

If they want more equity, suggest that they reduce public sector ‘golden’ pensions for MPs and the generous expenses that they get. If you are an employee and your employer allow you a meal at a restaurant to say thank you get clobbered for tax (P11D), but if MP then you can claim it.

They don’t want self employed people. Changes to IR35 rules in April will all but decimate the contractor market.

Three points – Chris Whitty has expressed the aim of minimising fatalities throughout this pandemic, yet while the maximum death rate peaked at almost 30% in the first wave, (mid April 2020), it has struggled to exceed 2% in the second wave, regardless of lockdowns. This is proof positive that the virulence of the virus has collapsed in the second wave – most likely as a result of improving medical treatments and rapidly increasing herd immunity.

Secondly, my local medical clinic regularly shows information messages, one of which advises those suffering from viral infections NOT to expect, or ask for, antibiotics, as they have no effect on viruses. Technically, this is correct, but it misses the point completely and is therefore dangerously misleading.

All viruses cause a challenge to the host, insofar as they cause an initial reduction in the immune response. As a result, the body becomes exposed to the risk of a secondary bacterial infection.

Old people, or those with an underlying, medical condition, (such as asthma), are at a significantly higher risk of developing such secondary bacterial infection that can, without antibiotics, prove fatal.

In my opinion, this is the primary reason why covid 19, (and other viral respiratory diseases), has such a high fatality rate in these vulnerable groups.

Doctors are wrong to deny antibiotic cover against secondary infection and those that do so to vulnerable patients are likely contributing to the increased fatality rates.

From my own clinical experience as a veterinary surgeon, treating viral pneumonia in calves, it would be fair to conclude that, had I not administered antibiotics to each patient, they would have almost all died of secondary, bacterial infection.

Thirdly, most viral respiratory infections cause inflammatory fluid, (oedema), within the air sacs, obstructing oxygen perfusion into the blood stream and simultaneous carbon dioxide removal.

In covid 19 patients, such fluid accumulation leads to a kind of partial suffocation and breathing difficulties. Invariably, hospitals reach for mechanical ventilators, in an effort to increase the pressure of oxygen in the air sacs and thus, the blood stream. This is a dangerous clinical decision because the increased oxygen is still unable to cross the fluid barrier in the air sacs and the likeliest outcome is pressurised destruction of the delicate air sacs themselves and increased risk of suffocation.

Patients with respiratory oedema need diuretic medication to clear the fluid, whether before ventilator use or without it, so that they can be fully oxygenated.

This should then be followed by appropriate antibiotic use, in the old and otherwise compromised patient, to protect them from the high fatality risk of secondary bacterial infection.

This is particularly relevant and critical in those vulnerable patients, stricken by covid 19.

Pin back your ears – Vallance and Whitty.

Legal developments in Canada.

Story here (in French):

https://guyboulianne.com/2020/12/17/me-carlo-alberto-brusa-depose-une-plainte-penale-relative-aux-vaccins-aupres-du-procureur-de-la-republique-pres-le-tribunal-judiciaire-de-paris-sous-le-numero-20351000746/

Here is Google translation:

Me Carlo Alberto Brusa, president of CAB Associés, files a criminal complaint relating to COVID-19 vaccines with the Public Prosecutor at the Judicial Court of Paris, France, under number 20351000746. Me Brusa is an example to be followed by all lawyers, from all countries.
This complaint from the Réaction 19 association, chaired by Messrs Carlo Alberto Brusa and Riccardo Mereu, will undoubtedly be transmitted to the Prime Ministers of Canada, Quebec and the other Canadian provinces, to the Directors of public health in Canada, to professional orders, to people and organizations involved, to varying degrees, in the unjustified restrictions imposed on the Canadian people in the context of the Covid-19 crisis. This French complaint will be sent to them to warn them that very serious legal proceedings will soon be undertaken against them.
The Government is using a strategy to reign terror among the population, and a ban on movement and access to certain public places in order to morally force the population to adopt gene therapy. Indeed, in view of all the studies carried out and the risks observed, as well as the strategy implemented, there is no doubt that the Government was aware that it could not obtain the consent of the population without exercising this moral constraint.
The offense of extortion is therefore characterized. In addition, extortion, when it is committed to the prejudice of a person whose particular vulnerability, due to his age, to an illness, infirmity, physical or mental impairment or a state of pregnancy, is apparent or known to its author, is aggravated. “Commits extortion anyone who, without reasonable justification or excuse and with the intention of obtaining anything, by threats, accusations or violence, induces or attempts to induce any person, whether or not the threatened or accused person, or the one against whom violence is exercised, to accomplish or have something done. ”(Criminal Code (R.S.C. (1985), c. C-46))
In the present case, this offense is committed as a priority against the elderly and presenting comorbidities, that is to say suffering from a pathology pre-existing to the infection. The condition of advanced age and illness cannot be ignored by the Government since these conditions constitute the very object of their intervention. The aggravated extortion offense is therefore characterized in all its elements.
Crime Against Humanity – The Nuremberg Code
We also advise the Federal and Provincial Governments of Canada, the Professional Orders of Canada, and Canadian individuals and organizations involved, to varying degrees, in the unjustified restrictions imposed on the Canadian people in the context of the Covid-19 crisis, that legal proceedings are currently under way at the International Criminal Court in connection with a complaint for crimes against humanity.
This is an international job including French, German, Italian, American lawyers. There is of course Me Carlo Alberto Brusa from CAB Associés, Me Reiner Fuellmich (forensic pathologist) from Dr Fuellmich, as well as Robert F. Kennedy Jr., son of Robert F. Kennedy and nephew of former president John F. Kennedy. The latter is a partner in the law firm Kennedy & Madonna, LLP. Obviously, this complaint will spread to Canada before the International Criminal Court.
The Nuremberg Code is by no means the starting point for ethical and legal reflection on human experimentation: it recapitulates principles known and accepted long before the judgment, since at least the beginning of the 20th century. However, it is indeed the first text with universal (international) claim on the subject. Thus, the court did not judge on rules which would have been invented especially for the trial (which would have been contrary to all principles of criminal law), but according to customary rules commonly accepted “in civilized nations”.

I’m not a religious man but god bless these men. They are real life heroes.

For sure. Such a victory in any of Canada, USA, Germany, UK, France, Spain etc. would be massive.

Excellent news. Sums it up: gene therapy/extortion.

Recovery UK Group sent out an email yesterday re swamping the “impartial BBC” with complaints re their Coronavirus coverage.

I want to send mine this morning, anyone’s got some more good ammunition please…?

Thanks all.

Complaint now fired off for complete absence of impartiality with a couple of examples. I hope 2021 is the year the BBC will go extinct.
From a neutral fence-sitter on the BBC and only partially deploring them for their hubris and arrogance, I have now become an active campaigner against them.

I have to remind everyone again about the danger of comparing any figures with an average taken over a period of year (ref Sarah Knapton’s article). An average is inevitably made up from higher and lower values, so without knowing the spread of the figures you can’t judge how serious or unusual any higher figure might be. It would seem that despite being higher than average this year’s figures are not the highest ever.

I accidentally posted this on yesterday’s page in response to the video in the comments about testing masks for oxygen level depletion.

I have been wondering whether an even better test for a mask would be to use a Fingertip Pulse Oximeter. These are fairly cheap (~£20) and would give a direct measure of blood oxygen which is what we are interested in. I seem to recall Toby recounted an experience in hospital where wearing a mask had an almost immediate effect on blood oxygen. Any medical practitioners care to comment?

If this works it could be the Experimentum Crucis.

I have just performed the suggested experiment.

We have an Oximeter due to my other half contracting Covid on a cycling holiday in Spain last February. It was pretty bad and it took her about 3 months to recover fully. Only hospitalized for 1 day for extensive tests due to her worryingly low oxygen levels half way through this.

Anyway I did the test on myself in a sitting position as oxygen levels vary a lot if you’re moving about.

The mask was an unused Aldi one made in Vietnam of 100% cotton

First test without mask

98% ox 66 pulse

After mask put on breathing seems a little harder but reading only changed to

96% ox 66 puls

Removing mask brought reading back to the original

96/66

Reapplying mask only led to a reading of

97/66

Conclusion is that mask doesn’t restrict oxygen so much. This possibly also confirms that it probably doesn’t restrict the flow of Covid lipids either.

But would that be the case if you did anything other than sit in a chair?

The problem with exercise is that it naturally reduces the amount of oxygen in the blood. Heart rate increases to get more oxygen to those working muscles. Level of oxygen is naturally down. Without something to measure the amount of work one is doing it is difficult to make any assessment of what the oxygen levels should be. Obviously that’s my layman’s opinion.

Individuals have very different reactions to masks, some experience an instant, quite significant drop, some don’t.
No-one knows why.

Very useful, but, as noted below by thinkaboutit, exercise could have an impact on this.

I believe the safety level for workers in tunnels is set at 19.5 ppm which corresponds to about 93% blood oxygen.

When I was wearing a mask on the train in the summer there was one occasion when I dashed from Waterloo East to my train at Waterloo platform 24. I was decidedly out of breath. I have also noticed the effect after a short shop in Tesco when I maybe had been doing it a bit hastily. But sitting idly in a train no issues.

Try doing this after exertion – running for a bus – followed by 10 minutes sitting on the bus (I know from experience this leads to debilitating dizziness which could indicate lack of oxygen).

meanwhile the FT:
https://www.ft.com/content/a8e010d9-3b22-4bfa-b43e-7e7d0cd1e548

FT readers: where to wine and dine in Rome The Eternal City’s best restaurants and watering holes, as recommended by you
When FT Globetrotter launched a guide to Rome last autumn, we asked FT readers to share some of their best secrets to the Eternal City. Well, the secrets are out and, naturally, one of Europe’s best food cities evoked plenty of recommendations for where to eat and drink, from hidden gems in quiet neighbourhoods to Michelin-starred fare with views of ancient sites — and even a dining bolt-hole favoured by a pope.

etc. etc. etc.

is this a joke of bad taste?

No. The rich can carry on as normal. If they return and have to quarantine the hotel bill is not a problem and they can probably work from the hotel if necessary.

Is this the big one? January 30:

https://twitter.com/LightTruthpaper/status/1351460291385634817

I love how the great musician Ian Brown is out all sceptic. Many are disowning him now but he seeks the truth only.

I’ve tickets to see him since March, been cancelled till November this year. My respect for the man has only grown in 2020

Nov ! you`ll be lucky., I have tickets for Half Man Half Biscuit postponed from last June to next March – and am sure will get put back yet further

I have tickets for the Who, postponed by A YEAR from the end of last March. It`s not looking good for this year.

Mandy says it’s not over. We know it’s over. Mandy knows it’s over. We know that Mandy knows its over. Mandy knows
that we know that Mandy knows its over. Mandy will continue to say it’s not over

Quite the holes he is in. The more who are vaccinated the more people will realise this isn’t about a virus. Only truthfully pointing out the vaccine confers no immunity and the PCR fraud can dig them out of the hole, but they cannot do that because heads will be piked if they do.

Little does he know that I know that he knows that I know he’s two timing me..

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

‘cases’ dropping quickly as expected

1 – there is less virus about
2 – there are less false positives )which is mainly contamination and dependent on how much virus about)

so we would expect ‘cases’ to fall faster than Zoe

I’ve been looking at numbers for my local area. Cases now so usual caveats apply.

Can you give me your thoughts on why this trend is so strange? I may know the answer already (cases are a nonsense, noisy PCR) but just to get another view.

The ramp up peaks on the 29th, similar to national trends, likely people getting tested for Christmas day? Then it falls off a cliff. This is the largest fall in the whole year and the speed of decline has continued. This is not the flown of a virus as it move through a population, it cannot just disappear overnight which is where it is headed on this graph. Case rates not seen here since September.

Testdemic.

Yeah but we know the narrative is “lockdowns work”

Technical paper on Ivermectin:

Antiviral Activity of Ivermectin Against SARS-CoV-2: An Old-Fashioned Dog with a New Trick – A Literature Review
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343689933_Antiviral_Activity_of_Ivermectin_Against_SARS-CoV-2_An_Old-Fashioned_Dog_with_a_New_Trick_-_A_Literature_Review

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1351451213670191104?s=20

After judge orders hospital to use IVERMECTIN Covid-19 treatment, intubated 80 year old given 20% survival chances recovers in 48 hours and is off the ventilator.

Absolutely criminal stuff. This is all to ensure maximum vaccine uptake. There is no other reason for avoiding use of Ivermectin

Granny Killers, all governments that ignore these treatments, this is why I tell people this is not about the virus.

More info here – https://medicalkidnap.com/2021/01/15/new-york-supreme-court-judge-saves-80-year-old-patient-from-death-by-ordering-hospital-to-give-life-saving-ivermectin/

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2021-01-18T11_09_03-08_00

The Richie Allen Radio Show, listen while you work. Yesterday gmb Sumption clip was analysed. In all honesty Sumption gives a masterclass in dealing with dicks. It is widely known gmb is a grubby little show with prestenter made out of morons. Sumption is quite simply excellent. He get’s his own totally valid point across several times.

The whole show is worthy of a listen. Much good though. 18+ for the f bombs of frustratiin Allen slips in. Nothinh a sceptic can’t handle.

Sumption is a class act.

Also please listen to 33mins into the podcast and listen to how Nick Ferrari ushers a caller off the line as she explains why her daughters will not take a vaccine due to the lack of data on fertility impact. As stated on the government website.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-women-of-childbearing-age-currently-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding/covid-19-vaccination-a-guide-for-women-of-childbearing-age-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding

“Sorrry, you seem to be having a bad line there. OK thanks for calling”

Total scripted propaganda laid bare. Why would you trust a vaccine that requires such coercion.

Great minds as I have it cued up now.

During my daily exercise, I’ve been seeing the following posters from the NHS:

Act as if you have it (was gladdened to notice the one I saw yesterday had been vandalised. Someone scribbled “LIES! ALL LIES!” across it.

and

If you bend the rules, people die

I mean, WTF????

These posters and others that the government and the NHS have put out have been manipulative, misleading, false and above all perpetuate large scale Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.

The NHS should be prosecuted for false advertising and abuse. Whoever thought of this and signed all these off should be made to carry the can, put on trial and imprisoned. Not content with their nomenklatura and State Religion status, its appalling that our Health Service see it fit to imprison and manipulate the populace to perpetuate its incompetence.

If you bend the rules people die. False claim. No proof. None. If you follow the rules people die. Also *rules* are meaningless. Rules are what kids are given.

Take photos for possible submission to the reckoning.

Exactly. Will have to have my camera or phone on hand if again I see these abominations.

They have been broadcasting the same crap in radio “ads” with the same sinister sounding voice-over “artist” using a deliberately chilling tone – to some, I expect.

The messages are becoming ever more ludicrous in every way, but are psychological abuse against the public, pure and simple.

Indeed. I know of no one to whom I can complain, with it being gov.uk/NHS advice. At least with commercial ads you can complain to the Advertising Standards Authority.
Gov/NHS can lie with impunity, it seems.

The NHS are not above the Advertising Standards Authority. In the run up to Christmas they had that advert with Santa in hospital which led to a Twitter campaign and loads of people writing to the ASA to complain.

The ASA upheld the complaints and ordered the NHS to withdraw the advert which they did.

Right – I’ll be issuing a strongly worded objection soonest. If I’d known this I would have sent a rocket about the hospital poster featuring a canoodling couple with blankets over their (individual) heads.

That’s why I stopped listening to Classic FM, the NHS ads became simply infuriating.

The messages have nothing to do with science and health, its akin to a witch doctor or shaman constantly saying that the gods haven’t been appeased properly so more human sacrifices are needed.

I find the Classic FM ones somewhat lower key nowadays. Talk Radio though seems to have got worse with irritating bits of Hancock and Johnson put in their ‘This is Talk Radio’ announcements. Not seen any of these new videos they are going to do and I don’t want to.

I won’t be surprised if Classic FM have reined them in due to listener complaints or even decreasing listeners.

It’s one reason I like being out in the car, as I have a mute button for the radio on the steering wheel, which works really quickly when those things start! Lol.

If one were to act as if one had it, one would be self-isolating, indefinitely. If everyone did this, it would not be long before people were dying in the millions and not much longer before virtual the whole population were dead. Do these people even listen to themselves?

Common sense and logic don’t seem to be their strongest suit sadly.

“ Stop Press: The wilful misunderstanding continued in the Times yesterday courtesy of this piece by Melanie Phillips .”

Those who fail to understand the point made by Lord Sumption about valuing human life fall broadly into three categories – those too stupid to understand the point, and the weak-minded or dishonest who are capable of grasping it but refuse to accept it either because they believe accepting it would make them a bad person, or fear it would make them appear to be a bad person. In other words, the stupid, the weak-minded or the dishonest

This is a classic case of “virtue signalling”, and as such it’s particularly disappointing when someone of the generally stronger minded political right, such as Phillips, is revealed to be such a person. Ordinarily (as a generalisation and not a universal truth), the practice of emphasising one’s sentimental “niceness” and attacking reasoned opposing positions for being “nasty” is a feature commonly found on the political left, who make a regular practice of smearing their rivals as uncaring haters.for holding different opinions to them.

Phillips has certainly been unmasked over the course of this coronavirus panic

‘This is a classic case of “virtue signalling” ‘

That is an absolute certainty.

I also suspect, in her case, it might be because Lord Sumption is….. a male.


Phillips has completely and utterly lost her mind over the Rona.

How has this latest lockdown affected your friendships?

I could understand the concern in lockdown one because we didn’t know much about the virus, and had only seen the propaganda out of China.

In the second and third lockdowns, I’m seeing rule-following and mask wearing amongst friends which I find hard to accept. This is amongst people who I had assumed previously to be intelligent free-thinkers. Turns out they believe everything they are told on the telly and by Radio 4.

I’ve lost respect for these people.

What’s your experience?

Most of my friends are following the rules as they believe that they are doing the right thing and helping to save people from Covid. I’m in a massive minority or that’s how it feels.

I’m lucky that I have two close friends who don’t believe what’s going on either which helps if I get fed up and down with the whole situation as I know they’re there to talk to.

It can be so disheartening though if the majority of people just believe what the government is doing is right. And they can’t/won’t see any other alternative.

Yes, friends of mine who had said they would help me on moving day said they didn’t want to because of the rules. I was so upset to be told that my friend wouldn’t allow his wife to come and help me. I had to point out that she could as we were in a bubble and that I needed their help on the day. They said they would, but then then he stood around for ages outside because my neighbour had come over to help. That’s allowed under the rules too, but we had to put up with that because otherwise there might be an argument. Moving day was a nightmare, but to give them their credit, they did help out right to the very end of the day.

I think people are more frightened of breaking the rules now than the actual virus.

MRs TJN and I haven’t got many/any friends left. We – or at least I – haven’t directly fallen out with former acquaintances. It’s just that we’ve got very little in common with lockdown supporters, so we drift apart.

I agree with you comment about independent thought – it’s a quality I value very highly in people, so those who demonstrably lack it go off my radar.

Yes, drifting apart has been my experience. We have less in common than we did. I try to speak about how bad lockdown is, and they listen, but nothing changes.

Similar. What has shocked me is how little people question things. Last year I asked a friend how many people in the UK had had covid. She said about a million. At that time it wasn’t even a million worldwide. Total ignorance and lack of curiosity.

Yes the lack of questioning is concerning. One friend is a retired businessman – yet he does not think of the future of the economy it seems.

I’ve not seen a friend, someone I’d go for a drink with outside of immediate family, since August.

I keep in touch with one now who I share a healthy scepticism with.

Unfortunately the “corona era” has meant closing the book on some friendships.

Thankfully I have always gravitated to free thinking intelligent logical minds so my close friends are on the whole sceptical or borderline sceptical, but probably not in my league, one or two are rule followers but not zealots, however my family are totally brainwashed and I am definitely finding that hard.

I have not lost respect for these people. A couple of my long-standing friends and become totally traumatised by this nonsense. They will need me there when they realise they have been duped.

alw I can understand that – when friends are really struggling with all this it’s very hard.

Very mixed

Some friends think like us so that’s easy – we have been drawn closer, and they ignore the rules as much as they can

Others know or suspect it’s all nonsense but follow the rules – those relationships are surviving but less warm than previously

Others are bought into the narrative and we’ve stopped contact, sometimes initiated by us, sometimes by them. No great loss

The same goes for extended family

Yes Julian, I can agree that these friendships are less warm than before.

We need a new lockdown rebels community
Spirit of 76

We need our own rebel song, our new national anthem

propaganda out of China

Western corporate media propaganda about China.

Both. Ffs.

Really? Do you have a link to the propaganda out of China? I ask because I must have missed it.

https://ccpgloballockdownfraud.medium.com/the-chinese-communist-partys-global-lockdown-fraud-88e1a7286c2b#_ftn29

That is western propaganda, not Chinese.

Even in the family its caused rifts, most are fed up and bored with it now, and just think it will go away, so not interested in the latest madness and propaganda. Sometimes it seems as if it would be easier to be a sheep just complying for the sake of it, but when you know it b******** you can’t.

My closest friend is a fellow sceptic and we’ve bonded even more over this.

At work – a few colleagues are sceptics like me and think the rules are bonkers but follow some of them because they’re caring for aged parents and the like. The rest are pro-lockdown and believe in the government propaganda 100% I was glad when many of the vocal lockdownistas took voluntary redundancy.

Family? Mr Bart is a sceptic as well. Not sure about my father-in-law but he’s sure fed up with the lockdown and restrictions.

As for my immediate family overseas,they’ve bought into this lockdown nonsense 100%. Most odd as they’re in business and yet they whine how 2020 has been really bad for their business. They never answer when I ask “so why do you think that is?”

I can see my family and friends pool shrinking even more when this is all over.

I had a falling out with my only brother last night, who lives on a different continent. He totally buys into all this crap, and started talking about how his local hospitals are overflowing with dying youth. When I said, ‘it’s just a cold’ he hung up on me. I was very upset, as before this we had quite a good relationship; he also thinks [correctly] I am discouraging our 80-year-old mum from having the vaccine, which in his eyes is tantamount to murder; I think the opposite is the case. it angers me that this kind of division within families is yet another of the many evils ‘they’ have done. I have resolved just to never talk about it to him any more, which means that we can no longer talk about anything real, anything that actually matters. as for our mum, he will say what he thinks, I will say what I think, she will be exposed to all the msm propaganda, and then she will decide for herself.

Dumbledore and Lord Sumption… separated at birth?!

“Why can’t I drink the potion instead?” asked Harry desperately.
“Because I am much older, much cleverer, and much less valuable,” said Dumbledore.

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood PrinceI

I can’t understand this

1. None of the vaccines have been have been shown to prevent transmission.
2. Restrictions will only be lifted after 100% vaccination of the adult population according to Hancock.

If statement 1 is true , does statement 2 make any sense?

It makes sense only if you give up the idea that this is really about public health.

It also makes sense (warped sense) when you take into account that vaccination is not the only criteria – it has been made clear that he thinks that is necessary, but not sufficient to lift restrictions.

Watch the interview with Charlie Ward which James Delingpole has just put out.

Nothing to do with health. all to do with health passports and eventually compulsory medical interventions by the state – you won’t have a say

See above. Replied to the wrong post

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/19/pfizer-vaccine-may-prevent-transmission-coronavirus-others-israeli/ (paywall) but contains “Pfizer vaccine recipients are unlikely to transmit the virus to others, according to the author of an Israeli study.”

Anyone with a low viral load infection is unlikely to transmit it.
That’s probably 95% of cases.
I believe Israel got ‘preferential’ access to the Pfizer jab in return for data collection.

“Unlikely” !!

It makes complete sense when you accept that absolutely everything that they have put out since last March is a pile of horseshit and you accept the fact that it was NEVER about ending the pandemic but to keep us in endless cycles of virus > new variant > new lockdown > new vaccine… etc etc etc until the new digital money system is in place and they can start distributing the microchips to the populace.

nothing they say makes any sense, which is why it’s best to stop listening

I suppose I’m lucky 95% of my family and friends are sceptics, the other 5% are no longer friends..I loathe that 5% and hold them responsible for the suicides, job losses, destruction of education,loss of society, and the tragedy unfolding before our eyes.. the brain dead fuckers can’t even be bothered to do simple research and find out the facts..no respect for collaborators..

I loathe that 5% and hold them responsible for the suicides, job losses, destruction of education,loss of society, and the tragedy unfolding before our eyes..

Totally agree

Agree
That’s why the health act was revised to allow you to be taken away on the basis of one signatory!

Boris and Hancock, what they really mean: Vaccine take-up is lower than we thought and we cannot lift restrictions until we have made everyone’s life so miserable that they accept the jab.

I’m not sure about the lower take up -half the stories in MSM are about why a 77 year old can’t get vaccinated and therefore will be dead within a fortnight.

Well, that is the MSM propaganda machine. I’m convinced vaccine take up is lower than expected both here and round the world. Obviously this, even if true, is unlikely to be widely reported.

A further point is that HMG has used the compliant portion of the public to bully the non-compliant into both masking and non-socialising. If the vaccine refusers comprise a high enough proportion of the population, it presents the government with an intractable problem. If the number of refusers fall to a group small enough to be ‘managed’, they will be smeared and bullied into compliance, blamed for obstructing the return to normality and, if all else fails, turned into a pariah group who can be kept under restrictions or placed in permanent quarantine.

Exactly. I’m part of the intractable problem.

Welcome, friend.

I suspect part of the reason they can’t get vaccinated is that the NHS was supposed to give constant ‘diversity training’ to those that partake in administering the jabs, & each one required something like 15 minutes in which they were supposed to explain the potential side effects, another 15 minutes or so to make sure you don’t immediately fall over after getting it…..

So the dictator does not have a plan yet for ending this farce.
Could it be that his minder has not given him the next move yet?

Noticed they are calling it a jab now, could the government be done under the trades description act for calling it a vaccine?

It’s gene therapy, not a vaccine.

Don’t know if you’ve seen the CRISPR gene editign stuff? There was a documentary about it a year or two back I think on Netflix, I haven’t looked into it but remember saying to Mrs Sceptic that I’m sure it’s basically that.

https://www.asgct.org/research/news/november-2020/covid-19-moderna-nih-vaccine

I’ve seen some stuff about it and it’s very worrying.

They should be clear, also that it is experimental.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/covid-uk-health-secretary-matt-hancock-to-self-isolate what a twat. Hiding from the public. No cut in pay

Is that what ‘they’ call a ‘mini break’ now

Hmm, a day out in the park and then self isolation……

Almost like he did it deliberately!

I think perhaps he is one of those ‘super spreaders’..
I recommend at least a 2 months of confinement to be on the safe side.
And that rugger ball needs to be hermetically sealed in an isolation cabinet, as we don’t want that being passed about.
In fact, Rugby should be played as a solo sport in future.

Why doesn’t he take a quick test? I am 100% cured of this circus.

He’s had it already, surely he’s immune?

He is. Experience and Science hasn’t changed on that irrespective of PR or a few new papers.

he is immune but according to the government, might be infectious!

Hancock has allegedly had Covid 19. If he had it, he is immune. So, it would appear that he is self-isolating in order to conform with the coronavirus rules that the government has put in place. Even Kafka could not have invented this.

Or he’s scared he’s about to be arrested?

Saw a programme on WW2 and they mentioned that 130 people were killed in a branch of M&S by a V2 rocket. So even in the darkest depths of war with bombs falling the department stores were still open. Just saying.

A bus route I used in North London went past the location of a pub. The pub was no longer there – in 1940 it was hit by a single German aerial bomb and a few dozen people inside at the time were killed – there is a memorial plaque.
The reality is people in wartime went out, mixed, even though it was risky. It maintained morale to not be cooped up. Comparisons to wartime and Covid are generally false in my opinion – as much as possible wartime authorities tried to maintain morale, even if it meant lying to their people. Covid authorities try to destroy morale and again are not necessarily truthful to their people either.

Exactly. Talking to my mum on the phone, and I said: ‘Well, you remember the war’

Her: ‘Yes, but it wasn’t this bad. Ok, when the planes came over, we had to go down in the shelter [which on the coast near Portsmouth was quite a bit], but the rest of the time we went on like normal.’

The government then believed that keeping everything open and people living normal lives as much as possible was the key to keep morale up.

Same was true with Sars in 2003, Asian governments pumped positive news about recoveries, that it wasn’t so bad for people who weren’t old and didn’t have underlying conditions, exhorted citizens to keep healthy and discouraged people from wearing masks.

Such common sense has gone out of the window.

I follow a guy online from time to time named Patrick Bet-David – well worth checking out, has a couple of Youtube channels inc. ValueTainment. He is an entrepreneur based now in the US, came originally from Iran, & relates how children were still being schooled literally as the country was half being bombed to bits, the Shah was causing chaos, & there was blood in the streets!

Good morning all. Me again, complaining yet again. Up until last March, I saw my GP once a month. That had been the way of things for 8 years, then everything stopped. I can’t have telephone appointments due to my severe hearing loss, autism etc., so I had nothing. After trying to change things via my MP (Toby Perkins – completely useless) and my mother (80 years old) calling the practice nicely, many times, we finally got somewhere when threatening legal action. I now have contact with my GP monthly via e-mail. Why was that not there in the first place?

Anyway, things were bad a year ago and I was waiting long term counselling amongst other things, but having various other treatments mean time. She is very aware of my suicidal thoughts. I contacted my GP last week to update her on things and included this..

(4) I am really struggling Dr W. These restrictions are barbaric. I need my counselling and to see people to talk to. The government are talking about reducing freedom to exercise and even social bubbles. If I don’t see my son or have the ability to exercise (including going into the Peaks sometimes – which I am reluctant to do now because of the overzealous Derbyshire Police), that’s it.

(5) I don’t understand why the medical profession aren’t pushing back on these restrictions. 99.7% of people survive this virus. What would we do if we had a real killer virus e.g. 20 to 30% of the population being killed directly from it? I am not scared of the virus myself, although I know it affects some people badly, but I am terrified of the restrictions, of the police, of not being allowed out or not being able to see my son or my parents, or confrontation from nosey busy bodies telling me to wear a mask (I have an exemption lanyard), of the isolation, getting more unwell and not being able to access you or another doctor. Things are bad. I need some regular face to face (mask free) contact to talk.

She is a nice person and has MS herself, but even being told by a patient that they are virtually at the end, she replied as follows….

Hello John.
I’m sorry to hear you are finding everything difficult at the moment, and hope the restrictions will not impact on your contact with your son and mum. I can understand your frustrations, and how the covid situation negatively impacts on you personally, but I do think the restrictions are needed in order to not overwhelm the NHS even more than it currently is.

Great. No help.

A genuine cry for help responded to with a pseudo-personalised word document template. And this is the institution what we’re supposedly trying to protect? It’s shameful.

The NHS is the problem
Not the Bat cold

I’m really sorry to hear you’re struggling like this JASA. Damn the lockdown maniacs to Hell.

Thank you. I’ve followed this site since the very beginning. It’s a life line, but this madness has to end very soon. Lots of people are on the edge now.

Looks as if she doesn’t even have enough time to write a proper reply.
I walked past our surgery this morning on my first exercise of the day. Since March the front gate has been locked and a notice, now just a weathered scrap of paper, instructing you to go to the back door and use the intercom. There were a total of 10 cars in the carpark this morning including presumably staff. I have fortunately not had a need to contact them during lockdown but I am due my annual review and blood tests in March, I rather suspect that won’t happen.

i needed a blood test (following a phone consultation) , but rather than walking to the surgery and having a nurse take blood and send it off, i had to walk to the surgery, pick up the form, then call the hospital to get an appointment for the blood test, and then drive there, pay to park, and have the blood test at the hospital test centre (portakabins).
then a couple of weeks later , having heard nothing , i phone the surgery to ask if the test was back and they told me it had come back over a week ago, was clear , but they didnt see the need to tell me because it was clear .
The NHS is shite

If there was a virus that was killing 20-30% of the population, none of the NHS staff would be at work. Suspect most of the police/army etc would also hide under their beds.

The last bit seems to be a cut and paste job.

Does your GP not realise that because of these restrictions and the lockdown, the NHS will end up being overwhelmed by people with untreated illnesses, mental health issues, victims of domestic violence and those with substance abuse problems.

Shan’t have sympathy for them when they come to us crying because of what I’ve mentioned and beg for more money.

They’re stupid. They really are.

it’s preposterous that it’s even for one moment considered acceptable to throw people’s freedom, humanity, dignity and ultimately lives, at the altar of a resource-guzzling, clumsy and useless behemoth like the NHS.

The wretched propagandaLive local rag writes “Fury after cancer patient told their life is ‘less valuable’ in pandemic during BBC show”.

Clearly the –Live group not above lying to the public. Of course if they lie about emotive subjects like cancer then it shows they use manipulation of human caring to their own ends. Disgusting little bunch.

Yet silence on DNRs being put on people’s health records. Totally disingenuous.

and yet it’s clear that all cancer patients are less valuable, whatever their ages or prognoses, than all covid patients, whatever their ages or underlying conditions

https://sputniknews.com/world/202101191081809208-live-updates-us-surpasses-24-million-coronavirus-cases/
Hancock is self-isolating, according to Sputnik.
The Kabuki theatre goes on…

Yes, also being reported on Sky – he is self-isolating and will be staying at home until Sunday. Why is he self isolating (he has had covid) and why till Sunday (he was out and about yesterday, and of course, spotted twice at the weekend in ‘crowded’ parks)?

Think appointed handler blair might be attempting to reframe hancock out of public view.

Hancock has looked burnt out for a month or more. This isolation thing is the new way they are doing holidays, hes been on the go since april. Nothing but a stunt.

I think he’s one too. Oh, you said ‘stunt’ …

Precisely why. Handinpants will blame his rugger match on catching the ‘new variant’. PR. He will use it as his personal ‘example’ of why ‘rules’ must be followed. Just like Doris’ fake Covid last spring. All theatre. The fat pig had 2 nurses, who conveniently disappeared back overseas before the Fake news could question them and of course doctor confidentiality etc etc……

Covid app pinged as he was within an unclean for 5 seconds

I hope footpenis dies
Come on Corona chan – you can do it

yeh, sometimes you’re actually sorry it’s not a real disease

He allegedly had it back at the start when the PM had it.

Clicking on a link provided above I get this headline over an article by Ms. Melanie Phillips

Who is Lord Sumption to decide the worth of a life?

It is one thing to oppose the terms of lockdown, quite another to declare some lives more valuable than others

This is stupid.

Let’s turn the argument on it’s head a bit. I’m 74 in two days time. Do I think all school kids should be shut out of school to give me a bit more assurance I’ll get to my 75th?

No,

I’ve had my whack and a very good whack it’s been. And if the government wasn’t doing what it is doing my happy whacking would still very much be in progress.

Logic has been thrown out the window in place of emotion

Its all a smokescreen, all about money, investment, research grants, control, sustainable planet, a nation of poor and rich, no middle ground.

She has been holed up in Jerusalem for too long. She has lost all ability for rational thought.

Sadly Melanie it isn’t Lord Sumption’s concept. NICE and the government already do this.

Of course they do. But Sumption, despite his intellectual brilliance, is not street-smart; and he has now been holed beneath the waterline.

come on, that whole line of argument is a red-herring, the purpose of which is to smear and shut down a powerful dissident voice. nobody believes they really give a shit about getting you to your 75th birthday, or about keeping the old and terminally ill alive as long as possible – this is in fact the polar opposite of what they want

It’s stupid in 2 ways:

1. He’s not deciding the worth of a life
2. People have been making value judgements since humans walked the earth

https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1351460933655257088?s=20

Hiding away from his adoring public.

I have just realised, he is the male version of the Greta Thunberg clone – the same gormless, lashless-eyes, the same silicon looking grey skin, the same dead expression.

Do you know the Scientific History of Lockdowns? A Must Watch – CRUCIAL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=978zLJJLo-I&list=WL&index=78

Ivor Cummins

THANKS to KATE WAND FOR THIS SUPERB MINI-DOCUMENTARY on LOCKDOWN SCIENCE!
This film is based on a letter by an international team of professionals, researchers and activists, calling for an expedited investigation into scientific fraud in public health policies.
Full letter here: https://ccpgloballockdownfraud.medium …

Far pleasanter shop this morning before work at the local market. It is a much reduced affair on a Tuesday these days but still was able to make good purchases at the fruit and veg stall, a stall selling dozens of varieties of only English cheeses, an Italian deli stall and a bakery stall. The first three were great, chatting and smiling and less than 3 ft away and fine prices. The latter the guy was friendly but masked and it was a bit overpriced for the somewhat basic fare. There’s a farmers’ market once a month so that might offer more choice bread-wise (I love my artisanal breads.) Far more real experience than the supermarkets especially now they are part of the NHS.

Our farmers’ market is great too. Though I don’t buy from mask wearers, and tell them why too. Some will whip off their masks pretty quickly …

Torygraph – behind a wall, but the behavioural sciences Dept of SAGE, including the Marxist Michie woman don’t want to let go of the sheep. Time to sack the lot and let MI5 sort them out. I wish.

Getting Covid jab could prompt public to abandon rules, say scientists
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/18/getting-covid-jab-could-prompt-public-abandon-rules-say-scientists/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_iosshare_AwkldK95rZXd

pssst. press f5 (refresh button) simultaneously repetitively pressing escape button, wall falls down.

Can’t find F5 on my iPhone!

You can also disable javascript for just that site on your phone. Should work.

There will be a combination press to achieve F5 – prehaps press on/off button with volume up then down pressed down with a finger on the screen while facing to the East may do it. Google it for your device.

great tip, thanks!

or just go to browser settings and javascript option and disable javascript for telegraph.co.uk – but you then dont get comments displayed on the site

Time to sack the lot and let MI5 sort them out. I wish.

You don’t reckon MI5 have been running most of SAGE for quite a while ?

Inconceivable.

“Mr Chalke meanwhile said many teachers are very worried about catching Covid in school and that they will feel ‘safer’ and ‘more confident’ when the weather warms up and they can take children out of the classroom more.”

Steve Chalke was someone whose opinion I might have respected, until I heard he was now in favour of same-sex marriage.

It’s the long weekend coming up for Australia Day (like I want to celebrate that shit). I can’t hop on a plane and casually go anywhere.
People are okay with borders being closed so that we can explore Australia and our state. I’ve lived here for nearly 35 years, I’ve seen enough. And borders are closed to some Australian states and f quarantining in this f’ing country. It’s exhausting going out with the f’ing QR code’s everywhere and the f’ing masks. And f’ing booking to do anything like art galleries.

The Few have certainly **** on the many

Where is the opposition ?
I remember years 1994/1997 this country was desperate for change from the stagnation and corruption of the John Major tories. We had the option then of a fresh faced popular politician that appealed to the centre ground by the name of Tony Blair ! (yes, history will judge him on Iraq but in `97 he did represent something new and optimistic).he did, at that time. actually represent a new path.

After just now having a discussion with a colleague we agreed that right now “labour would be worse” than the present bunch of incompetents (full on communism probably) – but really there is no opposition and there is nothing to vote for if the election was tomorrow.

If anything, “Kneely” Starmer and his cronies would probs be happier taking a junior seat in some National Government set up with all future elections cancelled.

All roads to ruin lead to Blair, still do

Blair seemed to come out of nowhere and even at the time I suspected he was a deep state protégé.

Only suspected, Waldorf ?

John Smith always springs to mind when I consider Blair’s rise …

Smith’s death, supposedly a heart attack, cleared the way. I do hope it was natural causes.

Yes- I hope Robin Cook’s death was due to natural causes as well; and I hope that David Kelly committed suicide. And I hope that Willie McRae died as a result of a car crash.

I always thing of cottaging and rent boys when it comes to Miranda Blair

There are only 2 authorised parties now
The Neo Liberal Woke Party of Davos (blue team)
The Neo Liberal Uber Woke Party of Davos (red team)

Mention of John Major reminds me – years after he had left office, in the Blair era, I was in an Edinburgh branch of the bookshop Waterstones when of all people John Major came in to have a browse of the shelves. He had a small security team of presumably plainclothes police. Although not as detested as Thatcher before him or Blair after him, it is clear he still merited security, years after being PM.

Amazing that that man was actually PM for all those years. Best remembered for the Edwina affair and his utterly useless band of fools like Hamilton and Aitken

I am concerned about the misleading and fear mongering radio adverts currently being put out.
They claim that joggers/shoppers etc are highly likely to have Covid 19. At a time when the predicted number of Covid infections in the UK is, according to the Zoe Covid Symptom study around 747205 this is an exaggeration in the extreme. Even given that there may be a third of people who are asymptomatic, this would only equate to about 1,120807. Out of a population of around 66m this amounts to 1.7%. Now 1.7% of people having an infection hardly implies that someone seen jogging in the street is highly likely to have disease.
There is also a claim that one in three people have Covid 19 without knowing it and could be passing it on unknowingly. Now the one in three applies to the number with Covid infections, i.e.. Less than 2% of the population. However, it is put across in such away as to imply that one in three people in general may be unknowingly spreading the virus.
The use of such inaccurate and misleading data would not be allowed in other advertisements and they should be withdrawn.

My wife who is a Pharmacist for the NHS had to do a COVID test yesterday, using the Lateral Flow Test not the PCR. The LFT can be done in person in under ten minutes and is supposed to be more accurate than the PCR (wouldn’t be hard). Anyway, she sent me the documentation (see attached) that comes with it. Read it, you won’t believe your eyes. Basically it states, if you get a negative result, it doesn’t necessarily mean you are not infected with SARS-COVID-2! If, however you get a positive result it, does not mean you are infected as the test can pick up other viral infections which may give a positive result!! So, what the hell is the use of it then. You couldn’t make it up.

I bet if she did it 2x and they were sent to 2 different labs, there would be 2 different results….so basically: heads you are sick and going to die and tails, you are probably sick and will die you just don’t know it yet so you will need that Vaxx….’Science’

The LFT is done by you, it’s a bit like a pregnancy test, no need to send to a lab. The NHS have introduced it to replace the PCR as they have so many staff off with covid due to the PCR giving out so many false positives.

It also states that test should be used within 5 days of onset of symptoms. So testing asymptomatics is basically a sick joke.

I had a client once years ago who was told he didn’t have coeliac, and had been tested. He brought his test results to me (he had the symptoms of coeliac, and improved when wheat was removed from his diet). On the results sheet it stated that this test cannot rule out the presence of coeliac disease. These tests are so pointless that they should only test people with symptoms, and not asymptomatic people.

Make sure you keep this as evidence… don’t throw this away!

I have the original, plus the photo.

So, what’s the bloody point?

So just keep testing until you get a negative
Then bounce onto that plane

A friend has had ‘it’.

Side effects are triggered by asking which one did you have? Curt reply of “what does it matter?” tells me full informed consent was not given. The laden words “I am fine” soon followed. Sore arm, anger, lack of patience and tendency to storm off all visible. Slight regression towards teenage years mentally.

These are the side effects at +24hrs.. Hopefully, nothing worse occurs.

It is clear they are throwing into arms without giving full disclosure.

If (s)he goes full Linda Blair
document it
Gab groups

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054

The debate over numbers seems to have departed this earth for Fuller’s.

Failing to establish the Apocalypse in any frame of reference that equates to numeracy, we now have a succession of stories that use numbers in a magical way to invoke the disaster.

Today’s edition is replete with the reporting of such wild mental gymnastic exercises, and I even had a member of my family questioning whether the all-cause mortality figures that I have been quoting and updating since April might require some adjustment in order to fit this latest narrative of ‘the worst event since WWII. My report of the chat I’d had with Occam about real data interpretation cut no ice.

Even where the basic message is correct, we have this :

“ This week’s Monthly Mortality Analysis from the ONS also makes this point very well. The report states: “Although mortality rates due to COVID-19 have increased between October and December 2020, these remain significantly lower than in April 2020.”

… where even the ONS seems to have fallen into the trap of believing that we actually know ‘mortality rates due to Covid’ – rather than ‘mortality rates artificially linked to Covid by PCR’.

The supposed data is certainly being shaped to the narrative rather than vice-versa.

Failing the reality test, there is massive effort directed towards making 2020 ‘unprecedented’ in terms of mortality – which it isn’t, and never can be for anyone with basic numeracy skills.

Can’t be repeated enough Rick. The noise from PCR is having a shambolic impact on analysis

I am so bored of the preface, ‘I’m not a covid denier, but….’ or ‘I know this disease is real/dangerous/people die from it…’ -why aren’t you a covid-denier? Why should you concede that there is ANY truth in ANYTHING they say, or even hint that there’s something bit loony, a bit ‘out there’ in not trusting them, in not buying into the whole deranged cult?

Because the sheeple don’t think in terms of evidence but in terms of what the rest of the herd say is true. If you don’t preface it with that, they will not listen. This is a middle-class epidemic supported by a low IQ populace.

Some don’t believe covid exists. I do believe it exists, but either way the evidence that the reaction to it has been disproportionate is overwhelming so I feel it’s better to focus on that

But I agree we should not start on the back foot – the reaction has been contrary to all accepted pandemic response guidelines as per WHO and everywhere else

It is the lockdown and mask zealots who must justify their untried, experimental, unorthodox interventions and provide evidence they work or are worth trying and that covid is exception

As I’ve explained here before, this is how smear terms work. Once the smear has been established (anti-vax, covid denier, racist, climate denier, antisemite, homophobe, sexist etc) you either effectively allow the smear to be made against you or waste lots of time and energy defending against it, putting you on the back foot and still leaving the impression you might be covering up.

It’s nothing new and has been used very effectively on all kinds of political issues probably since politics began. Though the most effective and regular uses in recent decades have been on the various identity lobby pc issues.

When you get insults just shrug and say ‘I know you don’t agree with me but don’t you think this is all just a bit weird?’ It has made a couple of lockdown zealots pause and then they’re on the back foot.

I don’t personally have a problem dealing with these kinds of smears – as a conservative I’ve been smeared all my life, as everything from racist, homophobe and sexist to Saddam dupe and Assad agent.

But the simple fact is that these smear techniques are used precisely because they are effective, regardless of the response. The most you can do is mitigate the impact.

Thumbs up – “ okay then ”
No point arguing with a smear

The problem with the “denier” term is it is it insidiously and subconsciously associates people with “holocaust deniers”. Pretty much everyone accepts the holocaust as a true and utterly evil event and only the most swivel-eyed deny it’s existence. Using this specific terminology is a subtle attempt to try and morally and rationally stain sceptics by association. The irony is that if anyone is denying a holocaust it is the zealots and policy-makers through their wilful disregard of the physical and mental devastation being caused by lockdown.

Good points. Interesting that we now see so many attempts to deny thousands of years of evolution in the human body & defence against illness & disease – immune system deniers?!

A question on you gov poll Could you afford to pay £800 for something if asked? I can’t remember exact words.
I just wondered if this means we are getting nearer to the time where they close all the banks and nick our money?

Mr Nadhim Zahawi?
His Wiki entry states: ” Clients of Zahawi include the research and consulting firm YouGov plc, of which he was founder and continues to be a registered shareholder.”
How convenient.

The very one!

I’ve just received a phone call from my local NHS hospital to let me know they cannot do any eye surgery yet but will let me know as soon as restrictions have been lifted. Blah blah. I responded with I’ve already had the surgery elsewhere as I was going blind and my optician referred me another eye clinic who carried out the operation very quickly and efficiently. She was sounded miffed no one had told them, which is a damned cheek as they haven’t been interested in my health for 10 months.!

Excellent. Stuff the NHS, we are entirely expendable in their eyes.

Should have told them it was a side effect of the Rona
It’s the only way you will get seen

So are these specialist doctors and nurses who’d otherwise be busy all day long treating their usual ‘customers’, now sitting on their backsides at home?
(I daresay the surgeons can carry on privately.)

I don’t know why our local private hospital wasnt doing any surgeries other than they were being paid not to, which leads me to believe in my theory that the government is deliberately harming us by denying us health care. Saying that I don’t know why this Eye clinic were open for business. It’s a bit of a mystery actually.

Cannot resist asking was your treatment at Barnard Castle, the Harley Street of eye care?

LOL. I had the op just before Christmas, at another NHS eye clinic about 10 miles away, which just proves you should not take no for an answer, particularly when dealing with the NHS. In fact I was so desperate I would have paid for private treatment but even the local private hospital wasn’t performing any surgeries either!! I was so grateful that my optician was able to find an alternative source.

The shrieking mobs continue to bleat “how dare you imply that somebody’s life is less valuable because they suffer from cancer!!”

Meanwhile, they lend their full-throated support to lockdown policies which have caused the cancellation of millions of cancer scans and disrupted countless treatment programmes, creating an avalanche of preventable cancer deaths which will rob children of their mothers and fathers for years to come.

Anybody spot the irony?

The righteous don’t do irony; they’re too busy shrieking, cancelling and no platforming, as they sail on in the ship of fools.

Unfortunately the lockdownistas or zombies as Annie calls them don’t see the irony because they don’t do irony and are totally blinded by the righteousness of what they believe in.

UK Column had a revealing delve into virtue signalling (77th?) MSM comments yesterday in which all the “editors pick” comments accuse sceptics of precisely what they themselves have been guilty of. Astounding hippocracy.

It’s is a fairly obvious attempt at painting those who question lockdowns as uncaring.

https://www.rt.com/news/512914-india-deaths-covid-vaccine/

More trouble ahead.

India, Israel, Norway, US; who’s next?

Have we considered the possibility that they never wanted a working, safe vaccine? The vaccine-carrot on the stick has enabled them to achieve their goals of terrorising the public for nearly a year and crushing small business and the economy. If the vaccines have to be stopped either due to safety or efficacy, then they can start the whole cycle again and terrorise for a second year.

And STILL Hancock’s banging on about bl**dy ”cases”! To the Great Unwashed this will STILL mean bodies in the streets and that everyone who ”gets it” will die! There is so much out there about the PCR scandal – doesn’t any of this get through?
(Can’t expect anything else from the unqualified and arrogant MH, specially chosen, I now believe, for his complete ignorance in matters scientific or medical so that he can spout this tripe with a straight face.)

Actually not a straight face very often

My view is the second Covid wave is deadlier than the first, but excess deaths are much lower because we are now in flu season, and the lockdown (and tier restrictions before it) have pretty much completely squashed flu (which has a lower R0 than Covid).

Perhaps a lot of the people dying of Covid now are people who would have died of flu if Covid hadn’t existed (and given rise to tiers and lockdowns)?

What makes you say it is deadlier?

Ergo – many more people died in the autumn-winter period than average.

Errr … they didn’t

”With” Covid. I understand that to find someone who died ”of” Covid is difficult. Even ”of” flu is rare if someone is otherwise healthy.

Go back to the guardian comments section. Comment is free of evidence over there.

You need to look at all-cause mortality, adjusted for population (so deaths per million) for same period in previous years, going back X years – the more years you go back the more perspective you get

If you scroll down/up on today’s comments page you’ll see those figures and see that we’ve gone back to 2008/9 mortality levels this year – hardly exceptional, and most of the “damage” was this summer – all cause mortality at present is not significantly above recent averages

The attributing of deaths to covid appears to be done deliberately to misrepresent the impact

Precisely, Julian. The way in which the ‘bleedin’ obvious’ is being distorted is something we can well do without here.

1. April saw a brief rise of mortality to maximum (27-year period) seasonal levels.
2. The rate then declined.
3. From July to December, mortality was either below or well within the median range for the period, despite Vallance’s absurdly inaccurate predictive models.
4. We will have to wait to see the January pattern – but nothing, in reality, suggests anything unusual happening, despite constant hysteria. My money is on a rise to about 16000 deaths per week, followed by a falling rate – again within normal limits.

Sorry – but I’m sick of ‘views’ on basic numbers. We just need data.

There is no ‘second wave’ – just a rise in mortality congruent with that in most years, with the contribution of Covid an unknown, because there is no reliable data.

A pair of eyes is all that is needed to see that this pattern is very different from the March-April 2020 upsurge, which has all the marks of a viral outbreak and following decline.

The March/April upsurge probably wouldn’t have happened had they not caused the deaths. No one noticed covid until they started making a fuss over it.

My view is there isn’t really a second wave, the virus is no deadlier, we’re seeing
pretty typical levels of seasonal respiratory illness, numbers perhaps exacerbated by the effects of the restrictions on health.

Where is this second wave? If you are not here to actually discuss things then maybe read the daily update above where it explains this to you.

This is a normal winter.

The hospital numbers here have been dropping since late October. There has been one day with four deaths reported and most days none at all. The Health Trust only gives out figures once a week as they don’t fit in with the current narrative. We’re surrounded by cities/metropolitan areas.

Perhaps the people “dying of Covid” are actually dying of flu and are miscategorised.

Can’t believe Sainsbury’s and some coppers are still so clueless about the law regarding mask exemptions.
Both had to issue an apology already a month ago.
https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/apology-issued-over-misunderstanding-face-mask-exemption-sandwell-store#
I hope this lady makes them pay big time for it and keeps us in the loop.
It would have been interesting to see and know, whether just showing them an exemption card would have changed the situation- idiotic, of course.

I wonder if they are really that clueless or if they are just trying it on to try and intimidate people.

A combination of clueless and imposing their own judgement i.e. pitchforks.

I believe that this was the incident where a man with PTSD and anxiety was harassed and bullied by the police. Happened around October-November time.

An apology isn’t good enough. Both West Midlands Police and Sainsbury’s should be made to pay big time for what they’ve done.

Make them realise the hard way that bigotry and “we was only following orders” does not pay.

“ Woman ‘ejected from Sainsbury’s by police for refusing to wear a face mask ‘”

As a counterpoint to this ‘confrontation’. I posted a couple of weeks ago about my discussion with my local Sainsburys manager. He couldn’t have been nicer and assured me that I was welcome in his store at any time without a mask. He was a genuine, decent person trying to do a difficult job in trying circumstances.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/12/latest-news-252/#comment-352605

This is the second time I’ve read about police coming the heavy hand with masked shoppers. I’m beginning to smell a rat! We never see the ‘victims’ face. We never see any member of staff present (senior staff know damn well they are breaking the law by discriminating against mask less people). We never see or hear about any follow up. They just peter out as the person leaves the store.

I’ve said before that I’ve never seen a policeman in my town for over a year. How do these police officers suddenly materialise on camera? Who calls them? Why are they so happy to give their numbers? Why are they content to let themselves be filmed? They do look threatening (complete with tattoos and all) but perhaps that’s the point of the exercise.

If and when I read about real people with real names and real follow ups concerning this illegal behaviour I’m tempted put it down to stage acting and ‘Fake news’.

It is as if a false reality is being woven around us.

With so many outright lies being told both by the government and the media, I would not be surprised if these incidents were staged.

I strongly suspect the recent incident in Derbyshire with the two young women was staged.

I like the way on the video when the woman talks of the law, they counter by saying that Sainsbury’s told them to do it. Since when did the cops start taking orders from the bloke that sells fruit and veg as opposed to the law of the land.

Nice one danny!

Wancock has apparently gone into self-isolation becuase the COVID app told him to based on a “close contact”. Probably triggered by his visit to the park at the weekend if the latest fear porn advert are to be believed.

Fucking well serves him right for sniffing his own shit for too long.

Having said that I didn’t think that there was any legal compulsion to self-isolate just because the app said so. Makes me think that it’s part of a wider psyop/propaganda piece.

I thought he had had the ‘vaccine’?

What difference would that make? They have been clear that even after both jabs, people still have to distance, mask, and self-isolate if ‘exposed’.

It shows that their is no value in the vaccine and completely undermines the narrative.

And for people who don’t understand what’s going on it will raise questions.

But this is not new information. The media will not ask questions and most people are too lazy to think about the implications of what they are seeing. It should undermine the narrative, but it hasn’t. People just hear the bits they want to hear.

I agree in principle but there are a lot more people awake now then there were in March. That is the direction of travel.

So an obvious red flag like this can only help imo. It may not change things in the short term but it may make the implementation of vaccine passports etc. harder to sell in the longer term.

He’s had the ‘rona – definitely.

Take a look at the comments in the Torygraph. Great entertainment for a wet damp morning.

Glad to see the comments are majority sceptic.

Apparently the school is getting grief from the LA about the amount of kids in school so from next Friday they will start deeming who is most worthy of a place on a weekly basis. I’m sure its just the usual scaremongering hoping people withdraw their children voluntarily.

I felt pretty secure with my ‘key worker’ status, but now not so sure. I’m getting my company to come up with a better letter with more ‘frontline’ support words than the one from last March but I want to send it with a covering letter from me to concentrate their minds.

I’m pretty good at making a nuisance of myself with letters to the right people but does anyone have any tips of dealing with schools and governors? My eldest daughter only started in reception this year so I’m a bit new at it.

Thanks in advance!