2021-01-19

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365382 Lockdown Sceptic, 15, #1 of 1934 🔗

10,000 Austrian’s Take To The Streets Vienna / Hugo Talks #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyTrQbWpe_4&list=WL&index=62

365383 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #2 of 1934 🔗

Twitter’s alternative Parler was growing fast. Then the liberals came for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_E2_JL2QXA&list=WL&index=61
TFIglobal

365532 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #3 of 1934 🔗

Gab still working if you use Opera, can’t access it on Firefox today.

365570 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #4 of 1934 🔗

Bin Firefox: They are part of the problem. I don’t use Gab but there is a fair chance that it will work under the Vivaldi browser too. Brave might also be worth a look.

https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/bcjlgq/firefox_and_chrome_banning_gabs_dissenter_where/

365625 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #5 of 1934 🔗

Or Dissenter (from Gab) a modified Brave I believe. Seems pretty good, blocks lots of stuff too so I don’t have to bother zapping it with CCleaner Pro.

365643 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #6 of 1934 🔗

Gab works on Brave. It’s faster now as well. It was impossibly slow earlier due to rapid expansion of users.

366458 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #7 of 1934 🔗

There’s a new kid on the block, CloutHub.

366690 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #8 of 1934 🔗

Yes, lots are dropping Firefox after they, in a similar vein to the social media giants, issued statements where they talked about even further measures to take down “bad actors”. they threw in a rant about institutional racism and white privilege too… Firefox are certainly no bastion of liberty.

365740 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #9 of 1934 🔗

still working on ff and chrome for me

365630 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #10 of 1934 🔗

Use Dissenter from Gab – it’s a stripped down fork of Brave

365693 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Crystal Decanter, 20, #11 of 1934 🔗

you guys are speaking a foreign language…if you had said to me 30 years ago somebody would be saying in 2021 “Use Dissenter from Gab…its a stripped down fork of Brave”?…I would have thought I was going MAD

366447 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #12 of 1934 🔗

Well, you still could be.

365384 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 16, #13 of 1934 🔗

UK Freedom Certificates / More Swedish Nurses Refusing the Shot / NY Ban on Body Armour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZJCAAW2tik

UK Gov has “no plans” to introduce freedom certificates. How about a yellow star?
Sanity 4 Sweden

365560 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 10, #14 of 1934 🔗

In a recent email to the Irish Taoiseach (Prime Minister) I did suggest that as the sheeple received their “vaccine”, they could have their PPS (Personal Public Service) number tattooed on their arm at the same time.

365913 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ewan Duffy, -9, #15 of 1934 🔗

Wow. Historical ignorance at its finest.

366043 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Waldorf, 15, #16 of 1934 🔗

Turn your sarcasm-detector on.

366303 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #17 of 1934 🔗

Yes and the German’s talking about internment. Sorry detention Camps for breaking rules! Talk about not understanding your own history.

365385 Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #18 of 1934 🔗

! BONKERS! Lockdown News Roundup / Hugo talks #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1s2bU4qccQ

365386 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 73, #19 of 1934 🔗

Hancock is a disgrace. Lockdown and other extreme restrictions look like being here forever if he isn’t stopped.

Vive la revolution

365578 ▶▶ iane, replying to Hugh, 7, #20 of 1934 🔗

So true – in the past, the second paragraph would have been a joke: not any more!

365761 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Hugh, 16, #21 of 1934 🔗

I just want him dead. Are you shocked?

367282 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bella Donna, #22 of 1934 🔗

saddened but not surprised. Has anyone told him how many deaths his cruel and unhinged policies could be responsible for?

365387 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 8, #23 of 1934 🔗

I fancy a holiday in February or March. Any suggestions? Is there any sort of lockdown sceptic version of Airbnb? Any good days out if I can’t stay anywhere? I hear Otley’s nice at this time of year…

365432 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Hugh, 15, #24 of 1934 🔗

My holiday cottage is available in March, Darsham Suffolk, close to the coast and AONB.

366046 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Hattie, 1, #25 of 1934 🔗

Is there any chance. you could post a link to your cottage.

366048 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Hugh, 1, #26 of 1934 🔗

This would be a good idea as I’m sure some places are going to insist people are vaccinated in order to stay.

366169 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to fiery, 7, #27 of 1934 🔗

The Freedom Network https://www.thefreedomnetwork.co.uk/ is setting up a register of holiday homes / apartments / BnBs / etc.

367185 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JohnB, #28 of 1934 🔗

Good. Couldn’t see any mention of it though. I’ll watch out for it.

367288 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to JohnB, #29 of 1934 🔗

That’s great, thanks.

365388 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 95, #30 of 1934 🔗

Another one bites the dust and it’s Nigel Farage

He’d gone a bit quiet and I was curious so looked to see what he’s been saying. He’s still twatting on about Brexit, of course, because that horse is never too dead to flog. And he’s been back-pedalling on Trump and the Capitol so fast, the chafing from the soles of his Union Jack shoes has set fire to a number of buildings. But I noticed the following recent shifts.

1) He applauds the government for tackling “foreign flights” (he means “shutting down the airlines”), but says it’s “ten months too late”.

2) He blasts, or slams – or whatever mononeuronal verb the media would prefer – migrants for demonstrating “in defiance of covid restrictions”.

So the whole “reinvention” of his party was just an opportunistic shuffle. To be fair, many of you on here told me this when I prematurely celebrated his sudden conversion to anti-lockdownism. I was wrong and you were right. His sole obsession remains hostility to the wrong kind of immigrant (which to Nigel means the non-shaggable ones). This has the following paradoxical consequence, which would be funny if matters weren’t so serious.

When lockdown disempowers, disconnects and kills British people, he bleats about freedom.

When lockdown disempowers, disconnects and kills would-be British people, he is magically transformed into Comrade Duch.

I therefore revert to the opinion I had of him up to about 2018: he’s a devious chancer with the conscience of a malaria parasite, wearing the disguise (possibly confusing even to himself) of an unstoppable buffoon.

For the record, I voted Remain, but was revolted by the antics of the remainers and Barnier et al, so that from 2018 to 2020 I would have voted Leave, and now I would vote to guillotine the entire political class.

365389 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 33, #31 of 1934 🔗

Worth quoting in full, I think, what it says on be carton of my favourite “food”:

“The EU has set a legal limit of 20mg/kg amygdalin content for apricot kernels being sold as a food product.

“Creative Nature’s Apricot Kernels contain approximately 150mg/kg amygdalin content and are therefore not allowed to be sold as a food any more.

“Please be aware, this product is not for human consumption. It is a cosmetic ingredient used to make natural face masks [lol] and exfoliating body scrubs.”

It should be noted that apricot kernels are reputed to protect against, and heal, cancer. Whether or no, I have been taking several a day for years and have suffered neither cancer nor any ill effects from taking them, and therefore suspect some sort of skullduggery (as Phillip Day indicated years before this ban).
The EU were doing too many things like that for my money, and were too easily manipulated by big business and big pharma.

Still, I suppose our own politicians won’t necessarily be any better. I can’t emphasize enough that Big Pharma has waged a sophisticated profiteering campaign involving politicians, universities, scientists, charities etc. promoting their patented products (vaccines and so on) and smearing inexpensive natural remedies when they can.

365390 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Hugh, 22, #32 of 1934 🔗

The EU is obsessed with the elimination of risk and pursues a relentless campaign of regulating all creativity and dissent out of existence. It presides over the perfume industry like the Angel of Death, for example, arbitrarily banning ingredients for being “allergens”. Nobody really makes a fuss about this except perfumers and people (like myself) who are fascinated by fragrance, but it’s a cardinal example of how they are determined to squeeze all the joy out of life in the name of making things “safer”. In another sphere, I believe it’s thanks to the EU that we have to put up with the ridiculous hoop-jumping of “accepting cookies” to visit a website. As if everyone didn’t already know what cookies were and how to deal with them. Maybe the computer-illiterate EU Commissioner who first had them explained to him thought cookies were a potentially allergenic foodstuff.

365391 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #33 of 1934 🔗

Well it’s obsessed with eliminating the risk of another European war anyway, this is its very raison d’etre (sorry, I don’t know how to do a circumflex accent).
I suppose this fear might naturally spread over to other areas. Sadly we are still suffering from the traumas of the second world war. I seem to remember that lead pipe organs were to be destroyed because of lead being poisonous (despite lead in organ pipes constituting no real risk). I think they got a reprieve in the end. Perhaps they’ll eliminate the risk of a virus. Or perhaps not. And if there has never been a vaccine successfully developed against coronaviruses before, one has to wonder how likely the current ones are to be successful in this crop of rushed “vaccines”, and what long term problems there may be – I don’t see how anyone can possibly know. Oh well, so long as people aren’t forced to take them, and know the risks…

365392 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Hugh, 10, #34 of 1934 🔗

Remarkable how the nations of Southeast Asia have struggled through for decades without going to war. (I know, there are exceptions, like East Timor, but they don’t really measure up to what the EU achieved in the former Yugoslavia.) Somehow I don’t think it’s ASEAN that has kept the peace.

365398 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #35 of 1934 🔗

No, it,s not gun ownership that has lead to the so-called United States being more violent either. 100 odd years ago, I seem to remember hearing, lots of people in the UK owned guns but it was a remarkably peaceful society. There are always cultural factors, which will tend to trump the efforts of politicians and international organisations. Similarly, politicians can’t really control a virus…

365454 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Hugh, 7, #36 of 1934 🔗

There are probably still quite a few guns around in trunks, up in the loft, left over from the war. When my grandfather went into a home he remembered that he had a bomb in one of his sheds. If he hadn’t warned us we wouldn’t have known.

366179 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Puddleglum, 3, #37 of 1934 🔗

Well, the enormous KABOOM would have been a bit of a giveaway …

365525 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #38 of 1934 🔗

ASEAN is a useless talking shop. I should know because I come from one of Thailand’s neighbours – the one with over 7,000 islands.

As for not going to war, I suspect a lot of it is down to each of the member states having its own insurgency and separatist problems. My home country for a start has both, plus don’t forget horrendous natural calamities such as typhoons and floodings.

365616 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #39 of 1934 🔗

Hey Bart, did not know that you were from the Philippines. I spend a lot of time in Manila when I worked for the FT after I left the service. Beautiful country, lovely people, great place to play basketball and eat a roast pig after:-)

365742 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #40 of 1934 🔗

Yes I am. So glad I no longer live there but yeah, I do miss the roast pig.

And very pleased that you had a great experience there. Shame the Philippines doesn’t really factor in the radar of Brits when they go on holiday in SE Asia.

366069 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #41 of 1934 🔗

aha i thought it was Indonesia – didn’t know Philippines had so many islands also! It’s on my bucket list to visit – if i can ever get off this nasty little island!

366455 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to penelope pitstop, #42 of 1934 🔗

Indonesia has more, roughly 13,000

The Philippines is a wonderful place to visit. Not to live (but that’s just me).

366850 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #43 of 1934 🔗

Vietnam?

365644 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Hugh, 4, #44 of 1934 🔗

Not disputing the fact that there are a lot of people who do believe in the idea that the EU somehow prevents war, it is nevertheless nonsense and always was. It was the Cold War that prevented open war in EEC/EU Europe for most of the post-WW2 period, and all the EU can possibly do is shift the prospect of war from international wars to civil wars/wars of resistance within the EU superstate once it has been fully established.

The latter are almost inevitable imo if the project continues.

I felt this was an excellent recent discussion of the situation wrt Brexit and the EU, though I’m by no means saying I agree with all the opinions expressed:

Cambridge Historian Prof. Robert Tombs: Why Britain Chose Brexit

367313 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Mark, #45 of 1934 🔗

Oh absolutely, and it is ironic that the EU (or its predecessor The European Coal and Steel Community) was set up to prevent war, particularly war between France and Germany. And the only thing that saved West Germany from being invaded by Soviet forces was the presence of large numbers of American troops.

Looking at the fate of so many former Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries, I can only hope that a similar fate does not await current members of the similarly forced confederation the EU where resentment has similarly been stirred up, in the future.

366512 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Hugh, 1, #46 of 1934 🔗

People who take large doses of it certainly don’t die of cancer!

365419 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #47 of 1934 🔗

At the end of the day hes a politician, his values reflect opinion polls.

365423 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #48 of 1934 🔗

How anybody could have been taken in by Farage and his faux “I’m one of the (working class)lads has always been a mystery to me.
You are always hearing about the left wing patronising attitude to the working class but the right wing commentators like Mike Graham, Richard Littlejohn and others who have never had any idea of working class life are equally as bad.

365882 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #49 of 1934 🔗

There is probably considerable overlap with those that think Johnson is ‘a good laugh, one of the lads, etc’, all as carefully constructed as Thatcher’s hairdo/voice.

365427 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #50 of 1934 🔗

Farage ıs basically a Tory in exile which he would like to end – rather like George Galloway is a Labour politician in exile. Galloway will not be accepted back into the fold, but Farage might be.

365531 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Waldorf, 4, #51 of 1934 🔗

Gorgeous & Nige, have one other thing in common they’re both narcissists. But at least Farage is more of a libertarian, Galloway wanted harder longer deeper lockdowns. If he had his way we would still be in april 2020s lockdown the only person allowed out would be him to give his hitleresc speeches on youtube every Sunday night.

365596 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #52 of 1934 🔗

I am sure Gerald Batten and the more ‘working class’ elements of UKIP would agree lol.

365597 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #53 of 1934 🔗

Richard Tice seems genuine in his opposition to lockdown (although not as strongly as many here would like). I wonder where that leaves Reform UK; who really has the power there?

365631 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #54 of 1934 🔗

Never trusted Farage
However Raheem Kassam is going balls to the wall over in the states

365848 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #55 of 1934 🔗

I decided Farage had gone over to the Dark Side when he turned on UKIP. What he has done since then or not done, hasn’t altered my opinion. Someone once described him as controlled opposition and that got me looking at him in a different light. I no longer trust him, as for guillotining the political class, I’m in favour of it!

365851 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #56 of 1934 🔗

that’s a bit like Stanley Baldwin’s take on Winston Churchill: “when Winston was born lots of fairies swooped down on his card;e with gifts – imagination, eloquence, industry, ability – and then came a fairy who said ‘No one person has the right to so many gifts’, and picked him up and gave him such a shake and a twist that with all these gifts he was denied judgement and wisdom.” Stanley who?

365393 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 85, #57 of 1934 🔗

Can I defend Lord Sumption?

People used to say when a ship was sinking, “women and children first”.

I would be ashamed if I took a place on a lifeboat at the expense of a child, and would despise anyone who did. That doesn’t mean I don’t value older people (and I consider it a nonsense to condemn them for voting in a certain referendum). But we should absolutely put children first (and indeed women first if one is a man, stand up for a woman on the bus etc.).

My biggest problem with lockdowns and related extreme restrictions is that they will kill more children than they can ever hope to save. Do old people really want children to die so they can (possibly) have a few mre months or years? Has anyone asked them?

Have I put my foot in it?…

Well, toodle-oo.

365394 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Hugh, 59, #58 of 1934 🔗

Children don’t need to die to have their lives destroyed. Just deprive them of an education and stunt their social and emotional growth by terrorizing them and hiding people’s faces from them and the job’s done.

Before Hancock induced the current gangrenous bout of self-destruction, I think a lot of older people DID say “not in my name”. But (as far as I can see from this distance) that all seems to have been washed away in a deluge of fear and hopelessness. If people are locked down long enough, perhaps all they end up caring about is themselves.

Sumption is right, of course. I still wish he hadn’t said it because it served no useful purpose.

365402 ▶▶▶ Kevin_Sceptic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 60, #59 of 1934 🔗

I disagree, though it is painful that it was necessary to point out that these decisions actually do have to be made, and have to be made day in, day out.

Difficult to believe that many people either don’t, or don’t want to, realise this.

In the same way that many people are not capable of seeing through other items in the media and applying a modicum of context to them too.

It also highlighted the absence of cost benefit analysis of the government actions.

As can be seen in the absolutely horrendous segment in “Good Morning Britain”, the most blatantly biased and emotionally unbalanced piece I have had the misfortune to witness for some time. (And that’s saying something these days).

It’s lucky that Lord Sumption is clearly a cut above the likes of Morgan and his sidekick, who apparently want to step into the shoes of Jeremy Kyle with his interviewing “technique”.

The modern equivalent of bear baiting, except in this case the bait was not taken.

365408 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Kevin_Sceptic, 38, #60 of 1934 🔗

I really don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. And perhaps rather than being naive, he was just being absolutely rigorous and correct, and I’m the coward. Certainly, now that emotion trumps all, it’s impossible for unpalatable truths to be heard, and without unpalatable truths we’ll never get out of this. So I concede, I was wrong. May he continue to battle on, despite the tsunami of bile coming his way.

365605 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #61 of 1934 🔗

I admire the way you concede when you are wrong…wish more people were like that.

365776 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #62 of 1934 🔗

Well done NN.

365565 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Kevin_Sceptic, 15, #63 of 1934 🔗

Positively steaming after watching the exchange. These arrogant bastards aren’t fit to bathe in his spit, let alone polish Lord Sumption’s shoes!

366728 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Kevin_Sceptic, 1, #64 of 1934 🔗

We should never have been brought to this pass, arguing about the comparative value of people’s lives.

These people – SAG, Hancock, Johnson et al – should be strung up for this.

365750 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #65 of 1934 🔗

Maybe if Sumption had turned it around and talked about himself (rather than another participant, as I gather he did), it would have come across better tactically. Just an idea.

365878 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 9, #66 of 1934 🔗

He did initially relate the point to himself – and later on when he was asked to clarify his position – saying that he had grandchildren and if it came to choosing who should live or die it would be his grandchildren over and above himself because they still had their whole lives ahead of them.

365397 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hugh, 6, #67 of 1934 🔗

stand up for a woman on the bus

Are there buses with no empty seats?

365399 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #68 of 1934 🔗

Oh there used to be. Those were the days (and there’s a sentiment I never thought I’d be expressing!)

365410 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #69 of 1934 🔗

Surely all the seats have been taken out, to prevent people loitering in them.

365405 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Hugh, 139, #70 of 1934 🔗

Well, I’m retired and I’m sick to death of the constant’protect the vulnerable’ crusade, so shoutily adopted by the likes of overpaid megaphones like Piers Morgan.

Lord Sumption is entirely correct in what he said, admitting that he too, as an elderly person, does not wish to see young lives sacrificed on his behalf. Neither do I!

Yesterday I spoke to my 23 year old niece; despite living miles apart, we have a strong emotional bond.

She is comparatively privileged in terms of looks, private education, employment and with a decent boyfriend who has his own business.

However, she told me that recently she has been bursting into tears more frequently, worried as she is by the constant tweaking of the various covid rules.

She has also found being with her other half in her small flat with few breaks quite difficult, although still fully committed to staying with him.

Several of her acquaintances have split up, unable to withstand the emotional and economic consequences of Lockdown UK.

So, if this is becoming increasingly difficult for this privileged young woman and her bloke, just imagine what the consequences must be for the many thousands of less fortunate youngsters, denied hope, prospects, educational and career opportunities.

No school, unstable family circumstances and confined to a tower block in a run down area.

Meanwhile, overpaid noisy hypocrites defend the endless imprisonment and descend on the brave dissenters like Lord Sumption, for whom I have the greatest respect.

Finally, I’m not vulnerable-how I loathe this word-but I’m increasingly cynical and thoroughly exasperated by the utter shambles which apparently passes for joined up political thinking.

The unthinking appliance of science has gone too far; questioning and debate and contributions from dissenting experts and clinicians are urgently needed.

365409 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to wendyk, 15, #71 of 1934 🔗

Well said.

365426 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #72 of 1934 🔗

Snap.

365413 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to wendyk, 24, #73 of 1934 🔗

unthinking appliance of science

Except the responses to the coronavirus are not based on science. They are pseudoscience. Policy decisions justified by scientific sounding propaganda. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/10/coronavirus-pseudoscience.html

365428 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #74 of 1934 🔗

Yes you’re correct in some respects, although, it must be said, that mainstream scientists have largely bought into this.

I agree it is propaganda, but ‘following the science’ equates, in my opinion, to ‘the unthinking appliance of politically expedient science’.

A qualification which I think is valid.

365434 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to wendyk, 39, #75 of 1934 🔗

But none of it is science. Take the two metre social distancing rule. There is no scientific basis for it. None. It was just made up. When Professor Yvonne Doyle of Public Health England was asked by a House of Commons Select Committee for the scientific evidence for the rule, she said: “The precautionary principle.” Opinions held by scientists (regardless of how many) are not science. They are opinions. And the government has cherry picked opinions from a select group of scientists and represented those opinions as “the science”.

365441 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #76 of 1934 🔗

Yes, agreed, but then we have the vaccines, the various movers and shakers like Dr Strangelove and his Imperial College chums, the various advocates in the US and others.

So, my point is that the appliance of politically expedient science is what has been foisted on us.

Which is why, in my first comment here, I suggested that the advice of dissenting scientists and clinicians should be taken: Gupta, Heneghan, Sikora, Bhattacharya , Levitt et al.

It’s widely accepted that much current research depends on private funding and that lines must be towed to secure this.

This cartel needs to be broken.

365954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to wendyk, 5, #77 of 1934 🔗

It’s not really politically expedient, unless you consider the Public Health mafia to be playing a political role. Which is what they are doing.

365438 ▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to wendyk, 2, #78 of 1934 🔗

Agree with your sentiments but if you mean “appliance” of science, rather than “application” of science, I’m puzzled.

365444 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to optocarol, 13, #79 of 1934 🔗

I chose it deliberately,as I recalled the former Zanussi adverts, which coined the phrase.

It’s catchy and stuck in my memory as I was composing my latest diatribe. Call it commenter’s licence.

365445 ▶▶▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to wendyk, 4, #80 of 1934 🔗

Ah, since I’m not in the UK, I didn’t get it.

365672 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to wendyk, 5, #81 of 1934 🔗

Planet Zanussi. About right.

365527 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 4, #82 of 1934 🔗

Hear, hear!!!

365551 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to wendyk, 6, #83 of 1934 🔗

Do not lament cynicism – it is the only natural response to a sustained exposure to idiocy.

365768 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to wendyk, 17, #84 of 1934 🔗

I also cringe at the word vulnerable and certainly don’t want to be part of this cohort particularly as I’m a lot healthier and fitter than many younger people. I’ve done my best to avoid the NHS tentacles all my life but if I do get a letter about the vaccine I’ll use it to light the fire.

365784 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to fiery, 6, #85 of 1934 🔗

A kindred spirit!

365792 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to fiery, 9, #86 of 1934 🔗

if I do get a letter about the vaccine I’ll use it to light the fire.

That’s my default option too, fiery.

Hoping there will be a creative way of fucking with them first, though. Asking for the letter in Cyrillic maybe …

365816 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to wendyk, 16, #87 of 1934 🔗

I know somebody who’s grilfriend is an estate agent. She has NEVER been busier than she is now. Almost ALL of her customers are people who have split up with their partners because being locked in with them has destroyed their relationships. They all want flats and they want them immediately and they will take anything. She says.

365827 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Two-Six, 5, #88 of 1934 🔗

My niece is in the same business, dealing with mainly business lettings, which are still very much in demand.

Her employers are busier with lets than sales apparently.

365996 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, 3, #89 of 1934 🔗

Blimey that’s something I hadn’t accounted for.

365849 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to wendyk, 18, #90 of 1934 🔗

WendyK, I too am retired and approaching 63. No one should have to give up any thing to protect me or anyone older. That the younger generations are being told they must give up their lives, income, mental health and education to save older people is a disgrace to me. This is how the government are spinning things but what I really hear is that they are trying to save their own skin.

Lord Sumption is correct that society puts a greater value on a young life in terms of medical care than it does on an older life. I don’t have children but any parent would put their child’s life before their own. When my brother died at age 30 my parents would have given up their lives willingly if he could have kept his. If most 80 year olds could be asked about this I am sure they would say the same.

Something I find very interesting about the critics of the government and the lockdown zealots is that they have expressed deep distrust of the government but are jumping with joy at the prospect of taking a vaccine still in the experimental stages.

365894 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to wendy, 10, #91 of 1934 🔗

Very well said Wendy, and isn’t it revealing that so many of us -the oldies- are utterly disgusted by the weaponising of the deaths of the elderly at the expense of the young, who will bear the burdens, both social, economic and fiscal, of this awful farce for years to come.

The very thought of a young life being compromised to extend mine fills me with anger and shame. i would never, never allow it to happen.

Of course all this confected emoting could eventually lead to a backlash against older retired folk .

Perhaps we should resurrect the slogan ‘not in my name’; an angry army of oldies might shame the lunatics who’ve taken over the asylum to reconsider their blundering strategy.

367317 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to wendyk, 1, #92 of 1934 🔗

Too many debates where all sides of the argument are not properly represented, and not least in science.

See also first comment of tomorrow’s btl

365407 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 49, #93 of 1934 🔗

Older people, especially women, have been telling me before, during and after lockdown .1 that they don’t want the country to be sacrificed on their behalf and many have said the Covid should have been left to follow its course (“let it rip” as the MSM would put it).

365429 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 7, #94 of 1934 🔗

Just what I think.

365439 ▶▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to wendyk, 12, #95 of 1934 🔗

I do too, I’m nearly 72.

365725 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to wendyk, 4, #96 of 1934 🔗

Me too

365530 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 12, #97 of 1934 🔗

Yep. Had a few visitors tell me the same thing before we had to shut down. Nearly wept when one woman told me “you shouldn’t be forced to do all these for my sake.”

365561 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to karenovirus, 14, #98 of 1934 🔗

I have said from the very beginning that Sweden got it right.

Always said there should be ‘covid parties’ like the measles/german measles(rubella) of old.

365566 ▶▶▶ nootnoot, replying to karenovirus, 34, #99 of 1934 🔗

I’m still of the opinion the virus should have been allowed to spread naturally.
I also remember speaking to my wife’s 90 year old granny in June. She said to me “ it’s like a bloody dictatorship telling us where we can and cannot go and what we can and cannot do “. That was music to my ears. This is a 90 year old who still has her mind and can list off everyones birthdays without looking at a calendar.

367321 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to nootnoot, 1, #100 of 1934 🔗

The greatest generation.

And let’s have Maureen from Barnsley as pm. In fact, let’s move parliament to Barnsley. Maybe they’d think twice about some of the nonsense they come out with…

365421 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hugh, -14, #101 of 1934 🔗

I’d throw the kids out to save my own skin, at the end of the day the adults can always make more kids. How will the kids survive without adults to look after them?

365481 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, -7, #102 of 1934 🔗

But its logical & for the greater good of the species!

365505 ▶▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #103 of 1934 🔗

Could you throw my kids out as well? They had the last of the gin and we’re in prohibition in SA!!

365523 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, -3, #104 of 1934 🔗

There not my kids , i’ve got no genetic investment in em.

365800 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #105 of 1934 🔗

That’s technically known as a ‘three post ment’. 🙂

Though kids are not useless eaters, a-s, I agree with you in principle. Always used to be parents of young families who were top of the QALY ratings – has that changed ?

365721 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, -1, #106 of 1934 🔗

Why all the negativity? I don’t think you people are taking this cost/benefit value analysis thingy seriously. Kids are unproductive & just useless eaters for years, before they can serve society, unless we bring chimney boys back to work!

367326 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Anti_socialist, #107 of 1934 🔗

Look at China and the developed world fps. Get rid of kids – yes, you get a few decades ill gotten economic benefit, but then you get a long period of economic hardship as the number of productive workers declines whilst the number of old people continues to increase. Unfortunately for us, the world is now entering such a period, and who knows how it will turn out, as it is to my knowledge unprecedented on this scale.

365425 ▶▶ danny, replying to Hugh, 58, #108 of 1934 🔗

I caught Sumption yesterday attempting to qualify his perfectly reasonable answer by (a littleness foolishly in my opinion) trying to explain himself to Piers Morgan.
It was like explaining rudimentary philosophy to a chimp.

365430 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to danny, 30, #109 of 1934 🔗

I watched it too. I could not decide whether Morgan was wilfully misunderstanding Sumption’s words or he is just really stupid. However, Professor Devi Sridhar clearly did know that Sumption was correct and was just downright lying.

365697 ▶▶▶▶ Jeff241, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #110 of 1934 🔗

She’s the nasty piece of work that has been endlessly attacking Suntera Gupta. Poisonous woman.

365650 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to danny, 15, #111 of 1934 🔗

Please don’t insult are chimp brothers and sisters. They are a 100 times smarter than Pier Morgan is.

365746 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to danny, 9, #112 of 1934 🔗

I think Piers Morgan is better described as a amoeba.

365793 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #113 of 1934 🔗

Morganus megaphonis is my new species moniker for motor mouth.

365868 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 3, #114 of 1934 🔗
365900 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #115 of 1934 🔗

😂

366037 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #116 of 1934 🔗

That’s a bit rough on Amoeba, being compared to the zero brain cells Morgan!

366185 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #117 of 1934 🔗

Slime mould?

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366288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Ken Garoo, 2, #118 of 1934 🔗

Previously instead of a written description, online dictionaries put a photo of Morg in the description box for bloviating buffoon.

366313 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #119 of 1934 🔗

Buffoonus bloviatus var Morganus. An exemplar of motor mouth gain of function.

366460 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ken Garoo, #120 of 1934 🔗

I think that’s more spot on!

365508 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Hugh, 20, #121 of 1934 🔗

Thing is that if lockdownistas truly valued life (other than their own), they would support shielding the vulnerable where possible and letting the rest get on with life.

Maximum happiness with minimum cost. That’s truly humanitarian.

365867 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Hugh, 4, #122 of 1934 🔗

If you’ve followed alternative media rather than the BBC/ITV/shite, you’ll be aware of the insidious advances which have been made towards deliberately degenerating and sexualising/perverting children for the past 15 years. Youtube (Google) are amongst the worst offenders. Last time I checked (which is a while ago now) they put together a series of videos promoted on their home page of parents telling their own children how they were conceived, jokingly absent was the innocent ‘birds and the bees’ metaphor.

You may also be aware of the fact the ‘gender war’ always finds itself targeting children as much as possible, getting into their books, cartoons, even physically entering their schools when a man dressed in drag shows up to read ‘gender-neutral’ literature.

Bear in mind all this has lead up to lockdown. Consider how vulnerable children are without any of the above interference in their lives. Then how crushing this lockdown is to their future. The government and the powers that be are hell bent on destroying our future.

366070 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to J4mes, 4, #123 of 1934 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/06/john-dillermand-denmark-launches-childrens-tv-show-man-giant-penis

This would be jaw droppingly funny if I hadn’t moved to Denmark last autumn with my Danish wife and twin 5yr old boys.

I’m now utterly convinced that the only way for civilised society to reemerge is to once again embrace the pastime of putting heads on sticks.

These cunts are sick, decapitation is the cure.

366549 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #124 of 1934 🔗

Heads on sticks does it for me …

366609 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Hugh, #125 of 1934 🔗

I agree but Lord Sumption assumes everyone thinks rationally and, as has become only too clear recently, they don’t. For a rational man, he really should have foreseen the consequences of making that statement.

365395 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 51, #126 of 1934 🔗

And let’s hear it for the Jewish Hasidic community in Brooklyn, whose “death rate is no worse than the general death rate”.

These obscene lockdown and related restrictions must end now. And if they don’t, there will be questions for those concerned. Preferably in “Nuremberg mark II”. (Do we have our own name for this yet?).

365534 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hugh, 5, #127 of 1934 🔗

The Hasidic Jews in New York could teach their counterparts here a thing or two.

365396 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 134, #128 of 1934 🔗

Yesterday’s coronavirus press briefing revealed (if it were not already clear enough) that the government has no plan for lifting all the restrictions. Matt Hancock was asked about this by both a member of the public and a journalist. His responses offered nothing to those who are waiting for the government to end the restrictions, to return to normal. Hancock made it plain that even when all the old and vulnerable have been vaccinated that would not be sufficient to end the restrictions, even as he stated that this category constituted ninety-nine percent of all the coronavirus related deaths. The obvious implication of Hancock’s assertions is that the government has no plans for ending the restrictions, ever.

We have also seen that the rebel Conservative backbenchers have no intention of forcing the government to change its position. They have contented themselves with words of criticism, but have shown they are not prepared to take action. And those rebels are the only organised opposition. They have the power to stop the madness, but they are not prepared to use it.

This suggests to me that there is at present only one realistic route out of the madness: mass non-compliance. If people in sufficient numbers simply ignore the restrictions, there is little the government could do about it. Anyone who can see that the lockdowns are wrong ought to refuse to collaborate, ought to recognise that this is a moral obligation, ought to realise that the choice is between collaboration or resistance.

Ignore the rules.

365400 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #129 of 1934 🔗

‘une stupide obéissance ou la révolte’ ( La Peste )

365401 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, 18, #130 of 1934 🔗

Paris is “une ville sale”. Well he might be right now!

Trouble is, the government still do not have the exit strategy that many have been calling for for a long time. They’ve dug themselves into a hole and don’t appear to have the first idea of how to get out. By their own apparent logic, the inevitable mutations, the extra deaths because of immune systems compromised by stress and excessive sanitising et. and the pressures that all this will put on “our” nhs could justify restrictions pretty much permanently. No, I reckon there needs to be change at the top.

Well good night. Don’t let Camus bight…

365893 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh, 16, #131 of 1934 🔗

The government’s planned exit strategy is by way of entry into Klaus Schwab’s world of the Great Reset. Most of us won’t be allowed into his wunderland, so Klaus will require a lot of help from his mate, Bill Gates. Bill, as we all ought to know, has been working on his special depopulating “vaccines” for nearly two decades, during which time his experimentation has been causing mayhem across the third world. This likely tells us why Bill and Klaus’s little helpers, Johnson and Hancock are now holding out for “vaccination” of everyone. No doubt, the even more lethal “vaccines” will be on the scene once the old gits have been disposed of.

367333 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Hugh, #132 of 1934 🔗

German Bight 🙂

oops

365690 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Annie, 5, #133 of 1934 🔗

Isn’t La Peste really about the occupation? That’s where we are – occupied.

366278 ▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Annie, 4, #134 of 1934 🔗

I had to read La Peste at school, decades ago, never thought I’d be living through a version of it but have never forgotten the warning in the last paragraph.

367320 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Cotton Wool, #135 of 1934 🔗

We had to read it too. I don’t remember the last paragraph but I remember in the priests denying that there was a plague after they started getting ill! „Nous n‘ avons pas la Peste a oran!“

365403 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #136 of 1934 🔗

Have you seen

The Light ?

Ate you The Light ?

365406 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 8, #137 of 1934 🔗

The caption to the picture describes the The Light as a conspiracy theory newspaper. Name calling is so modern and fashionable.

I have not seen it. But now that you have brought to my attention, I will look out for it.

365463 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #138 of 1934 🔗

Being put through letterbox’s in London, Surrey, Yorkshire and Devon according to the report.

365465 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 6, #139 of 1934 🔗

And Essex. We have this in the shop.

365766 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 5, #140 of 1934 🔗

And Sussex !

365482 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 14, #141 of 1934 🔗

I have now read some of its reporting. I could not see anything that struck me as lying or grossly misleading; but I did read an informative article on the limited ownership of the corporate media and its effects on misinforming the public in the interests of the elite, which is of course information the corporate media have an interest in suppressing.

365783 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #142 of 1934 🔗

Publishing stuff on SAG conflicts of interests would be good too. (eg Zoe Harcombe’s excellent research on this)

365765 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #143 of 1934 🔗

Highly recommended Steve.

365862 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #144 of 1934 🔗

I distribute copies in my area of N Wales. The editorial/distribution team advise that it be distributed primarily to independent high street businesses who are most likely to appreciate the content and want to make copies available to their customers. I have built up a solid small, loyal network of local businesses – mainly first generation immigrant owned, as the Welsh/English owned businesses seem to prefer going out of business to listening to voices sympathetic to their plight. Unfortunately all my ‘customers’ are currently prohibited from trading so cannot spread the word.
Any excess copies I have left within the next 3 or 4 weeks may well end up through people’s letterboxes!

The paper can also be found online:

https://thelightpaper.co.uk/

366456 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #145 of 1934 🔗

A conspiracy theory is a hypothesis which proposes an explanation to be tested against actual events.

The testing in now complete, so we just call it a conspiracy.

365404 ▶▶ Kevin_Sceptic, replying to Steve Hayes, 30, #146 of 1934 🔗

You are quite right, at some stage the general public will begin to realise that the risk to them has been exaggerated and their fear and beliefs have been misplaced.

Consequently they will refuse to “follow the rules”.

Whether this is before, or after, the government manage to catch up is yet to be seen.

365414 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Hayes, 27, #147 of 1934 🔗

The cry of Granny killer, the accusation of blood on your hands and the twisting of life value arguments to show you are callous and unfeeling have proved powerful arguments for the lock-down zealots; as we saw with Lord Sumption. They are still effective enough to keep this sorry pantomime on the road.
In my view it suits the Government to run this as long as it can as it has 2 dates in mind;
In June the UK hosts the G7 talks in Cornwall
In November the UK hosts the World Climate change Talks
They are running this lockdown nonsense with the sole aim of scoring as many political points as they can by seeing to be the major economy that has triumphed over this ‘deadly virus’.
I think there is a huge mountain to shift before public opinion and actions are such as to make the Government shift from its plans.

365420 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #148 of 1934 🔗

If the government believes its own propaganda science surely it would cancel such obvious virus spreading activities as hosting the G7 and COP 26.

365417 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Steve Hayes, 39, #149 of 1934 🔗

Who, in the government, is speaking up for our children?
this cannot go on

365431 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Steve Hayes, 20, #150 of 1934 🔗

I hoped for many months, that the mass adoption of exemption lanyards in a show of solidarity as displayed by the Danes in WW2, would break the mask mandate.

Obviously my hopes were dashed, as there is no solidarity here, just mass compliance accompanied by an unspoken resentment of the bare faced rebels.

An unedifying reflection on our society.

365641 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Steve Hayes, 16, #151 of 1934 🔗

I do and agree there is no other way out out this. Peter Hitchen’s naive idea of everyone writing to their MPs is like asking an ant to stop an elephant. The MPs are either completely bought into this or are thinking about their own careers. Being a maverick and anti establishment is not a good career move.

People like us have to do whatever we can not to comply but we need the pressure of numbers and the coordinated support of businesses. We cannot force a pub to open on our own. I will be enjoying being a customer at an illegally operating business this week (for obvious reasons I am not saying where it is) and there will be others there too and if the proprietor gets attacked by covid marshalls I will be fighting alongside the owner.

We need the kind of movement and weight of numbers they have managed in Italy. If we can get this on a big enough scale the filth will back off just like they do with BLM and in the tougher areas of the inner cities.

Writing to MPs has to now be considered a joke and Hitchens needs to acknowledge this. However I think he fears civil disobediance and possible violent confrontations more than he fears continued lockdown. Brave up comrade!

365915 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #152 of 1934 🔗

Back in March I wondered how long it would take for the speakeasy to be reinvented. I am amazed at how long it is taking.

366099 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #153 of 1934 🔗
365411 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 8, #154 of 1934 🔗

From the roundup
Woman ejected from Sainsbury’s by police for not having mask

Conor asks is this legal ?

Alex Belfied YouTube has this

365424 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 37, #155 of 1934 🔗

I have forwarded the letter featured atl to my own MP and added this:

I have copied a letter which was recently sent to one of your colleagues. It illustrates perfectly the issues regarding face masks.

I too cannot wear a mask and I too have been subject to abuse by ignorant members of the public and harassment by Uttlesford District Council and Essex Police. I engaged in a very lengthy telephone call with the Chief Executive’s Office at Tesco’s pointing out several reasons why some people cannot wear masks (notwithstanding the fact that there is no scientific evidence to back up their efficacy and, actually, much evidence to show that they are not effective at all). I asked the woman at Tesco’s whether they really were willing to discriminate against people with disabilities, people with medical conditions and women who had been the victims of rape – women who would find it particularly odious for a teenage male employee to try and foist a mask upon them. After several e-mail exchanges, I was pleased to see that Tesco’s finally relented and amended their rather aggressive signage.

365435 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 7, #156 of 1934 🔗

Well said, kh, especially the reference to rape victims, which I hadn’t considered.

I hope you’ll receive the courtesy of a decent reply from Mrs Badenoch

365449 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 8, #157 of 1934 🔗

I doubt it wendyk.

I have to say, all credit to the lady at Tesco’s, she heard me out with extreme courtesy.

365467 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 13, #158 of 1934 🔗

The first person I came across with a lanyard was when masks became a requirement on trains. She had been the victim of an abusive relationship that involved mock strangulation. She had to explain it all to the railway company who did then give her an exemption lanyard.

365480 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 18, #159 of 1934 🔗

Appalling. This was the argument I used with Tesco’s when they stated you had to say ‘ medically exempt’. Why the hell should anyone have to go through deeply personal and private reasons why they cannot wear a mask and have to label themselves such. And, as I further pointed out, it’s not as if we are in the majority – in my own experience, I am usually the sole non-mask wearer.

365484 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 8, #160 of 1934 🔗

Same here, kh, I’m the sole heretic. Security guards are always friendly though, and I don’t envy them their minimum wage ,casual role as enforcers.

365497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 17, #161 of 1934 🔗

I don’t think I’ve been in one supermarket in the past 6 months where I haven’t been the only one not wearing a mask. I had to break my Waitrose embargo again yesterday (it’s the only supermarket within walking distance of my shop) so I thought I would check whether just saying ‘exempt’ would get me in. The door chap was quite nice, asked if I had a mask (and did a helpful hand movement over his mouth, just in case I didn’t understand). I replied “exempt” and there was nothing further.

Why the big supermarkets tried to ramp things up last week, is beyond me but I think the message is getting through (probably the compensation story concentrated a few minds!).

365520 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 10, #162 of 1934 🔗

I stay away from supermarkets as much as possible. Other than that I’ve done 3 visits to the dentist, one to the doctor for a smear test and 2 to the bank.
The bank visits were very soon after the mandate and I hadn’t got my courage up so even though the impact on me was bad I put up with it for the few minutes required. There was a man in the queue maskless and wearing a lanyard on one of those early visits.
Since then I have been entirely maskless. I would say that in a total of about 12 visits to situations where masks are “mandated” I have seen 3 other people without masks. It doesn’t sound a bad statistic until you consider that one of those visits was to a very large Sainsbury superstore and I was the only one without a mask unless you count very small children. All older children had one on.

365542 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 11, #163 of 1934 🔗

My friend and I have two theories about the supermarkets attempting to ramp up the muzzling:

  1. profits are nosediving and they’re convinced that a more draconian enforcement would coax the zombies out and spend more money
  2. government already having destroyed other sectors see that supermarkets still standing and decide to tighten the screws to bring them down too.

Why none of the CEOs have twigged that the government would be after them or throw them under the bus is bizarre.

366025 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John Crichton, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #164 of 1934 🔗

Hi all, new boy here, although very much more an opponent of lockdowns rather than sceptical, will probably expand on in future posts. Just yesterday I left Tescos feedback on soaring demand for home delivery or click and collect – we have a huge Tescos in our small market town, but nearest click and collect is nearly 20 miles away. Feedback from friends who work in that store is that footfall is down dramatically and those who do venture in spend much less and get out as quickly as they can. I would have thought that they could reserve a few days for no masks (staff and customers) and the remainder for the muzzled zombies. Willing to bet that if they did that, once word got around, the mask free days would see the store packed.

366465 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to John Crichton, 4, #165 of 1934 🔗

That’s a good idea. From the conversations I’ve had with staff, footfall has been massively down since masks were introduced – discretionary and impulse purchases are way down.

And once word gets round, bet more people will prefer to shop during mask free days.

365494 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 5, #166 of 1934 🔗

Legally, she didn’t have to.

366232 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to karenovirus, 2, #167 of 1934 🔗

I keep plugging this site as it gives the full legal implaications of the face covering legislation. There are rules for a ‘reasonable excuse’ for not wearing a face covering (which may manifest as a mask amongst other styles), one ‘re’ is medical exemption, others would be claustrophobia, psychological trama (eg rape case victim mentioned above), etc, etc. There is even a recognised NHS condition known as ‘low mood’. The site provided pro-forma documents to be handed to jobsworths (including employer, employee, police, other customers) should they infringe in legally enshrined rights. The infringements are civil offences with remedies (fines) of up to £5000 or £9000 depending exactly on the infringement. Again that would be for everyone involved – employer, cemployee, customer (and police in the officer is ignorant of the law?)

Face covering – some pretend law
Fiction:
Everyone must now wear masks everywhere, except offices and outside, and controllers of premises can always insist they are worn.

Law:
From 24 Sept, the places in which face covering must be worn, and by whom, has greatly expanded. However, rarely understood but significant ‘reasonable excuses’
remain.

https://laworfiction.com/2020/09/face-covering-some-pretend-law/

And

Low mood – a reasonable excuse to ignore coronavirus restrictions
Fiction: Feeling sad and low is reasonably to be expected of us all. Piers Morgan is right that we just have to put up with it.

Law: “To avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm” is a ‘reasonable excuse’ exemption within most of the coronavirus restrictions. Government suggested lanyards and badges are frequently being refused as sufficient, despite government guidance (and even because of government guidance in Wales!). In these circumstances at least, a self-certificate of this exemption may prove very useful if challenged. A suggested template form is here: Notice of Exemption to avoid ill health or injury but do read on first.

Two main points:

  • illness includes mental illness
  • the purpose is to avoid illness

https://laworfiction.com/2020/09/low-mood-a-reasonable-excuse-to-ignore-coronavirus-restrictions/

The face covering toolkit is at

Face covering: litigation threats and administrative headache
Fiction:
Shoppers and public transport users have to declare their ‘reasonable excuse’ for not wearing a face covering and put up with dirty looks as they buy their bananas or travel to work.

Law:
As a good starting point we recommend remains our post on Face covering for 6 to 12 months from 24th July . The face covering regulations do not override other important rights against invasion of privacy and disability discrimination.

https://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-litigation-threats-and-administrative-headache/

Read all three posts and pass on to others as widely as possible

365440 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 14, #168 of 1934 🔗

kh, you are the heroine to end all heroines.

365464 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 18, #169 of 1934 🔗

No, Annie, you’re too kind, I’m really not. I’m just an ordinary person, sick to death of being pushed around and I’m not taking it any more.

365496 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 3, #170 of 1934 🔗

That’s the Resistance attitude. If the Resistance girls were heroines, then you are one.
If they were just, as Camus would say, doing their duty, then you are doing your duty.
It was enough for Nelson!

365503 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 6, #171 of 1934 🔗

I still haven’t heard anything back to my complaint to Lloyds Banking Group. I emailed the chief executive and the complaints department about their text which just said “face coverings are essential” with no mention of “unless exempt”. It’s been 6 days now and all I’ve had is the automated response. I didn’t have the patience to hang on the phone though as you did. Well done.

365515 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 5, #172 of 1934 🔗

That’s appalling. I will say, in Tesco’s defence, that they do respond quickly and it was they who telephoned me. They’ve probably got me labelled as an awkward bugger as I have had to complain several times in the past (once re. their mis-quoting of Data Protection rules and then last year when I was aggressively and erroneously accused of shoplifting).

365586 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to WasSteph, 4, #173 of 1934 🔗

Have you tried tweeting them? I find that an effective way to get a company’s PR department to respond.

365546 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 7, #174 of 1934 🔗

Well said about rape victims. The Guardian had an article a few months’ ago written by a woman who was raped why the likes of her and domestic violence victims couldn’t and wouldn’t wear masks and it was harrowing. I shudder to think what they would be thinking and feeling if they came across the scenario that you described above.

365817 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to kh1485, 4, #175 of 1934 🔗

Might Toby at one of his Free Schools add ‘Systemic Maskism’ to the curriculum? Critical Face Theory?

365415 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #176 of 1934 🔗

Local Live at it again
Lead article rehashes the Covid deaths per district since March including noting that only one district has had deaths in double figures. They do not remind us that the town is well known for attracting retirees and for decades has been known as Gods Waiting Room.

No recent Covid deaths in the Region mentioned.

Second Article notes increasing pikes of Covid clusters (a cluster is two cases or more apparantly).
It then tediously lists 50 or more such districts and how many case clusters they have including, just to fill the space, those with none at all.

Again no mention of recent Covid deaths in the Region.

365614 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 2, #177 of 1934 🔗

‘God’s Waiting Room’ a few miles along the coast from ‘Hernia Bay’?

365961 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 1, #178 of 1934 🔗

Did the article explain that a cluster is 2 people?
Most people will have no knowledge that such a low number would be classified as that.

365416 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 22, #179 of 1934 🔗

How did we get here? I think this video offers an explanation. To win any fight you must know & understand your enemy.

Stephen Hicks: Nietzsche Perfectly Forecasts the Postmodernist Left

Make no mistake, this is a political crisis not a health crisis! People question how this is a “socialist” endeavour. Socialism is a broad church of ideologies, followers of a relatively obsolete old skool brand of socialism, that advocates for decent cheap housing, good jobs/security, healthcare, education often get offended by any criticism of socialism! I empathise with those values, this isn’t my target.

But we face a new more dangerous form of socialist values coming from the liberal left. There are 3 main groups of political ideology (with numerous merging subdivisions) conservative, neoliberal & socialist, but many of us see ourselves politically transient & homeless unable to agree on every political principle (that’s part of the problem & the aim).

My view of covid19 is that this is a political crisis, we are being manipulated by neo-liberal oligarchs/corporations who are using socialist values against traditional conservative culture as a means to grab power. The main obstacle to technocratic rule & world wide communistic culture is independent liberal/conservative cultural traditions e.g. Country, community, family, personal independence from governnent. Nihilistic Neo-liberals could never form a successful party of their own because they are all psychopaths they would literally consume each other & get nowhere which is why they infiltrate other political movements.

I don’t know what Johnson is or what motivates him, I know what he & his neo-liberal cabinet are not, he personally is neither a leader or a libertarian, his party is not conservative! What I do know is the only way we win this fight is by getting rid of him & his party but I have no idea what we can replace it with. None of this covid nonsense will stop whilst the tory party remain in power & labour are not valid alternative!

But debating objective facts & science will just see us chasing our own tail.

365422 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #180 of 1934 🔗

The virus is the pretext for the police state not the reason.
Once people realise that then maybe we can begin to fight back

365477 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to jonathan Palmer, 14, #181 of 1934 🔗

We were already in a police state, look back at 2019 the west was already plagued with civil unrest. The gestapo police had been politicised & militarised in anticipation of 2020.

Corona, climate change, identity politics all have one purpose & one thing in common, control! Control of the little people like you & me. Theres a reason why pandemic mitigation measures resemble animal husbandry, because the elite think we are livestock.

366427 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #182 of 1934 🔗

We wasn’t in a police state until March 23.You are basically only allowed to work and shop for essentials now and some people are not even allowed to do that.

365418 danny, replying to danny, 92, #183 of 1934 🔗

Schools closing for six weeks has casually been doubled overnight. Double the time for depriving children of education, of socialisation, of for some, leaving the house, leaving the bedroom, leaving the computer screen, getting a regular diet and exercise, being a child.
To protect against a virus with a 99.7% recovery rate magnified by seasonal overflow of our hospitals.
No. This cannot continue.

365443 ▶▶ Annie, replying to danny, 35, #184 of 1934 🔗

And yet it does continue.
Our children have lost more than a year of education. They will have to go back well before that to re-establish what had been previously learned.
If they ever get the chance to do even that.
And with the prospect of further disruption every year.
My God. The generation of the damned.

365446 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to danny, 45, #185 of 1934 🔗

Child abuse isn’t it?
Fear monger them. Have a sniffle Johnie? Well, you are going to die.
Want to play footie with the friends? No. You will die.
If you do go out Johnie wear the diaper. Don’t worry about breathing in Co2 and bacteria. Don’t be a murderer Johnie.
Want to visit friends? No chance Johnie, you will kill someone.
Feeling anxious, alone, afraid? Suck it up Johnie, your future is unimportant, 0.3% are dying Johnie.

SAGE= Sick Assholes Gutting Education of innocent boys and girls.

Fully supported by Labour voting, unionised Teachers.

365476 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to FerdIII, 25, #186 of 1934 🔗

The further element of child abuse is that, when a child can manage to get into school, if the other kids are wearing masks then there is every chance the non-mask wearing one will be bullied by mask-wearing children. Reports are coming up on the anti-Lockdown Facebook groups of children being bullied by their mask-wearing peers.

365483 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to ElizaP, 10, #187 of 1934 🔗

Yes, well if they ever allow the children back into school…..Maskholes abound. It is a religious symbol. We should expect the Maskhole religious to be intolerant of the non-compliant Infidel.

Masks of course do not stop aerosol transmission. Never have. A flu is normally spread through ingestion via the hands contaminated from air or surface. The mask is not going to help you (virus molecules easily pass through) and in reality most people rub their fat greasy hands all over their face, pick their nose, rub their eyes etc etc negating the mask.

365606 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to FerdIII, 7, #188 of 1934 🔗

It’s state sanctioned terrorism.

365458 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to danny, 6, #189 of 1934 🔗

Well said.

365708 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to danny, 22, #190 of 1934 🔗

This will continue as there is ZERO outcry from the people who could pressure the government. The teachers unions and head of schools…they are the worst of all. My wife actually cancelled her membership of the one of them ( not sure what ..I think NUT)as she so utterly disagrees with this. She was a teacher and a head but now works more on the policy side of it. They are afraid for their safety, fuck the kids, fuck their education, fuck them being traumatized, not able to see their friends, have any normality. Fuck the older ones and their exams, my niece was suppose to do her GCSE’s this year and go to Uni..WRONG! Cancelled sucker! I talk to her weekly and she just keeps crying, she want to come and see me and the wife but her mother ( my SIL ) is a Covid fanatic and she does not have her own car…This generation is already fucked, but now they will be properly fucked. I’m beyond anger, frustration, sadness. My daughter is 6 and she not seen any of her friends since schools closed. Dam them, dam them all to fucking hell.

365796 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to danny, 1, #191 of 1934 🔗

Children should protest with boards in-front of schools

365433 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 18, #192 of 1934 🔗

The ghost of Edward Heath stalks the corridors of Westminster

‘Who rules Britain: the government, or the National Health Service?’

And the resounding answer, from MPs across the floor has been: ‘The NHS!’

Humpty Dumpty lies smashed on the floor

He can only be put together again by the Cavalry in the shape of proportional representation.

Only then can new young parties arise, representing the so many elements of this complex nation, standing for election on imperative sweeping reformist tickets, to give the electorate real choice.

Otherwise, you know all this is going to happen again every winter.

The political class of today, the state broadcaster, the public sector, sees it as such a jolly jape; a wheeze too brilliant not to resort to on a regular basis in order to avoid facing up to reform.

365436 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #193 of 1934 🔗

Proportional representation sounds all well and good until you realise that the populous cities would be telling the rural communities what to do. It’s a no from me.

365450 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to this is my username, 5, #194 of 1934 🔗

I couldn’t disagree more

No inhuman ‘Hunting Act’ in France, imposed by the tyranny of an urban majority, that restricts the follow up of wounded animals to two dogs; useless, as the league against cruel sports well knows, in thick cover.

Thanks to the political party, Le Mouvement de la ruralité, ‘Hunters are a formidable political force in a country where urbanisation came relatively late and city-dwellers remain close to their ancestral roots…’

‘In 2010 “obstruction to hunting” became an offence liable to a 1,500-euro fine..’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20704312#:~:text=Hunting%20with%20dogs%20is%20banned,tradition%20is%20alive%20and%20well.&text=While%20several%20other%20European%20countries,hunts%20boast%2010%2C000%20members%20nationwide .

And that is entirely thanks to Proportional Representation, a buttress against the very thing you cite in opposition to it.

365452 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #195 of 1934 🔗

Thta’s France, where rural dwellers know how to make a point in the cities. We are English and we won’t.

365461 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to this is my username, 2, #196 of 1934 🔗

You will know that, in a system of proportional representation, small parties wield disproportionate power and so protect the rights of minorities.

And we have a ready made Chairman of a new ‘Countryside Party’ now sitting in House of Lords: the legend that is Baron Botham of Ravensworth

365603 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to this is my username, -4, #197 of 1934 🔗

As the populous cities pay for the rural communities, there would be a fairness if that applied. Anyway, I disagree that that would happen and cite Ireland as the case in point. The rural tail wags the urban dog and as a Dubliner, I resent paying for rural Ireland.

365751 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #198 of 1934 🔗

Glad Dublin grows all its own food, Ewan. 🙂

365466 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #199 of 1934 🔗

Nah its all deceitful misdirection & deflection, decades of maladministration & corruption by neo-liberal governments most notably tories under Jeremy *unt’s mismanagement has lead to a NHS unfit for purpose & its NOT about a lack of money thrown at it.

UK column had a good piece yesterday on how the NHS has reduced critical care beds by 70,000 YES seventy thousand beds in the last decade despite having a consultation on a future pandemic.

The tories are operating a major save ASS event & using the consequences to “build back better” with a more authoritarian technocrat world. Don’t look to Labour or dimdems to save us they’ve got their own neo-liberal skeletons to hide.

Build back better means mealworm burggers, locust hot dogs, public transport & bicycles for the little people, you’ll own nothing & be owned by them, you will be even more miserable with absolutely no purpose in life but maintain the colony & embrace it or else.

365805 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Tim Bidie, #200 of 1934 🔗

Heath’s nemesis the NUM would make a better job of closing down, sorry ‘protecting’ the NHS, methinks.

365437 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 40, #201 of 1934 🔗

This is the email I sent back, my responses are interspersed.
I was more than a little disappointed with the so called myth busting document. I have obviously been under the misapprehension that we are practising evidence based care.
Myth #1: The speed of development means the vaccine may be unsafe.
Fact: Many sceptics have noted how quickly the vaccine has been developed but this is just a reflection of the extraordinary scientific advances that have been made in vaccine technology. Along with this the development of the vaccine has been backed with significant funding which has allowed for record breaking development and almost 24 hour working getting this vaccine tested and approved.
Several healthcare professionals including
Dr Malcolm Kendrick a GP in England, would disagree on this. Also why did MHRA install special software to handle a significant quantity of yellow card submissions?
Why have the vaccine companies been given immunity from liability if anything goes wrong? Did thalidomide teach no one anything?

Myth #2: I have already had Covid-19 and hence do not need the vaccine.
Fact: Due to the severe health risks associated with the illness, the fact that reinfection with Covid- 19 is possible means the advice is to be vaccinating again. Research published today by Public Health England (PHE) in the Siren report shows that antibodies from past infections provide 83% protection for at least five months but does not stop you from passing the virus on to others. No one is clear how long our natural immunity will last and it is unclear if a previous infection to Covid-19 will protect against new mutations. In addition, it has been suggested that having a Covid-19 vaccine after having had a confirmed infection (at least 28 days after diagnosis) may boost your immune response further (i.e. like having a second jab to prime your immunity).
It is known that antibodies reduce after about 90 days, but that is one facet of our immune system.
For example, SARS1 patients still have immunity after 17 years.
The study was based on B cell antibodies, completely ignoring T cell immunity. If the virus itself doesn’t provide immunity then how can the vaccine? In fact the vaccine mitigates against symptoms it doesn’t stop you from becoming infected. Being exposed to a pathogen doesn’t mean you’re infected. Being infected does not mean you are infectious. Neither do the tests show how virulent the infection is.

Myth #3: Covid-19 vaccines have severe side effects.
Fact: As with all vaccines, there are expected short-term reactions and both the Pfizer/BioNTech and Oxford/Astra Zeneca jab are no exceptions. Patients may develop a headache, fatigue, muscle pain or a low grade fever. The Pfizer vaccine appears to have more risks associated with allergic reactions and hence the advice is to have the alternative Oxford vaccine if you have ever had a significant reaction to a medicine, food or other vaccine.
There are serious concerns about the side effects that are being reported, including transverse myelitis (AstraZeneca) , temperature above 40 degrees and Norway are reporting deaths (Pfizer and Moderna). These are not insignificant side effects. These have to be given to anyone who is having the vaccination to obtain informed consent.

Myth #4: You can stop wearing a mask after being vaccinated.
Fact: You are not bullet proof after being vaccinated and can still pass on the virus to others. Unless you have a medical reason for not wearing a mask, it is mandatory to wear one at all times when not at your desk whilst at work. Along with this remember Hands, Face and Space at all times.
In which case why get vaccinated at all?

Myth #5: Our immune systems are better than vaccines.
Fact: Our immune system is amazing at preventing disease but it needs to be primed so it can respond quicker. Although the vast majority of individuals recover without any long term ill health, a significant number of people will require hospital admission and unfortunately die from the virus. Prevention is better than cure and vaccinations will help reduce the spread of the virus.
This is a naive response. People die from TB (1.5 million a year), influenza, malaria/Dengue/Zika, measles and Ebola, why is SARS-CoV-2 any different?
We have 3 billion years of evolution in our immune system. Most organisms only have the innate system. We have the adaptive immune system in addition. The former is general purpose and is relatively quick. The latter is slower to respond.
If a cell gets infected then part of our innate system will induce apoptosis. Other parts of the innate system will destroy non-self. Dendritic cells pattern match to non-self organisms/cells/viruses and present the rna/dna to the T cells. The response to the vaccine by the immune system is identical to the virus itself. This is community immunity.

365442 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to p02099003, 19, #202 of 1934 🔗

The death rate from the Vaxx (hundreds now dead if you add up Norway, USA, EU) might now be higher as a % (1-2%), than the death from CV itself (0.3%). Will this useless gov’t and the Fake News follow this ‘story’ as well?

If 370 people under age 60, have died from CV 19 in the UK; why would anyone, how could anyone, rationalise, under any circumstances vaxxing the ‘entire population’? Illogical. So, why the ‘rush’ to do it, when vaxxing does not, never has, never will, cannot, stop viral transmissions….????

Is there any scientific proof that flu vaxxes stop transmission? Pfizer’s 53 page report says it will not stop transmission.

365745 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to p02099003, 4, #203 of 1934 🔗

Quality response, p(n).

365447 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 22, #204 of 1934 🔗

I am very pleased to see the Institute of Actuaries report today, which corroborates what I have been saying for weeks – the second wave is so small compared to the first that they cannot be put in the same category.

I think their comparison to 2019 is unreasonable as that year had an exceptionally low death rate, and if you look at the last 5 years, according to their figures, you get 54,600. I make it closer to 46,600 (depends on estimates of 2020 population)  and if you take the whole year it’s around 41,700.

So in a population of around 60 million (England and Wales) the worst case is 0.09% died from this disease (but it will be far less because many of the excess deaths were from the effects of lockdown). For the under 75s, it’s around .02%, 1 in 12,000, and that was virtually all in April.

So pleased the Government are destroying our kids’ education, devastating peoples lives and throwing millions out of jobs and into despair because of this !

As regards the ‘second wave’, excess deaths are running at around 500-750 per week compared to around 11,000 in April. So let’s be clear, the second wave is just a ripple compared to the first.

365470 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Laurence, 2, #205 of 1934 🔗

Overall death rates did not change in 2020.
In using their source data, I built an app to analyse trends, between 70-76 K have died per year, from flu-pneum-resp in the past 5 years. Their own data.

Flu in 2020 was far below avg (by 25%). ~15 K of the CV dead is from flu-pneu-resp in 2020. Heart disease is below the 5 yr avg in 2020, accounting for another ~ 5K. Dementia under the average by ~5 K as well.

Max CV dead thus far about 60 K of which according to SAGE 2/3 died with, not from CV 19.

365962 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to FerdIII, 1, #206 of 1934 🔗

Do you have a figure for how many of the total excess deaths occurred at home ?
Deaths at home are likely to be collateral deaths, rather than ‘Covid deaths’

367212 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Laurence, #207 of 1934 🔗

It’s not a second wave; it’s the winter peak.

365448 stewart, replying to stewart, 112, #208 of 1934 🔗

Lockdown enthusiasts are the most repulsive, selfish beings I have ever personally encountered.

They will destroy as many lives as is necessary to continue to indulge their deluded fantasy of remaining safe from the threat of a super virus.

There is no amount of facts about the death rates, the PCR tests, the masks, the circular logic of lockdowns, no amount of information about the misery and anguish they are causing that you can put in front of them to reconsider their self-righteous position.

They are the sort of people that cheered when others were burnt at the stake for heresy or enjoyed the spectacle of public hangings. They are the willing obedient guards of the concentration camps. They are the mental midgets that cheer on bullies loudest when they are ganging up someone to make sure the bully doesn’t go for them.

They go through life with shrivelled ambition of being the most obedient and enthusiastic participants of the herd.

I don’t believe for one minute that any one of these hideous zealots is going through any sort of difficulty or anxiety from lockdowns. The pain being caused is entirely abstract and alien to their lives, which is what allows them to speak of the suffering being perpetrated in the callous, heartless, dismissive manner they do. When they talk about saving lives it is posturing to cover up their complete moral emptiness. Their fear and concerns are only for themselves.

These monsters are members of the biggest, most deluded, must destructive cult in the history of humanity – the zero covid cult. They are wrecking society and livelihoods because they are mentally incapable of adjusting their minds to the fact that we have the death rate of 2007 until they are told to do so by a higher authority.

THEY ARE FUCKING, HORRIBLE MONSTERS.

365453 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to stewart, 43, #209 of 1934 🔗

And this question, that I have put to many a lockdownista, brings them up short:

“Are you still being paid?”

365473 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to kh1485, 16, #210 of 1934 🔗

Being determines consciousness. A Marxist principle. The ones who like lockdowns can clearly work from home, have secure jobs, do not work in the hospitality industry etc. That the main push-back so far (though inadequate) is coming from small businesses in places like Italy tells its own story.

365492 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to kh1485, 21, #211 of 1934 🔗

I have yet to meet a lockdownista that is missing out on any of their own income. Well I’m not missing out on any income either (being on a pension) but I’m still anti-Lockdown (even though I’m in a better position than many to cope with it).

365501 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 14, #212 of 1934 🔗

Or “How big is your pension pot?”

Because like you and ElizaP, I’ve yet to meet a lockdownista who hasn’t lost a job or has lost a lot of money from their savings and pensions. I’m lucky that I’ve been paid throughout (as my employer is not allowed to put us on furlough) but I would carry on calling for an end to lockdown and restrictions.

367337 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to kh1485, #213 of 1934 🔗

“Are you still eating”?

365457 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to stewart, 13, #214 of 1934 🔗

Ah, but my friend the LD Fascists (I view all of this as Fascism, ie. private property is still allowed for now, and Corporatism runs amok – slightly different than Communism), will tell you (nay scream), that they are:

-Moral
-Scientific
-Caring
-Concerned
-Rational, critical thinkers
-Disdainful of religious zealots (like me a Catholic)
-Following the evidence…..

And of course they will have 1 story about the 2nd cousin-great aunts-transgendered-Black-Muslim-grandfather who passed away due to CV. And their sister was ill from it too.

Ergo sceptics are lower than Drumpf and Brexiteers.

365487 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to stewart, 13, #215 of 1934 🔗

They are certainly very selfish imo. One can understand if people say “Not in my name” and refuse to have others suffer Lockdown because they personally are scared and admit to being scared and maybe even sympathise with them for being scared. But those who insist on imposing their fears on others/restricting others are showing a huge level of selfishness and won’t even be honest enough to admit that their concern for themselves (ie one person) outweighs their concern for, say, 10 people being adversely impacted one way or another by Lockdown. They could at least be honest enough to say “Yes – I’m selfish – I’m putting me first/last/only place for consideration and blow everyone else” instead of hiding behind a veil of (apparent) concern for other scaredy-cats like themselves (oh and, of course, our beloved NHS).

365517 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 15, #216 of 1934 🔗

I don’t believe for one minute that any one of these hideous zealots is going through any sort of difficulty or anxiety from lockdowns. The pain being caused is entirely abstract and alien to their lives, which is what allows them to speak of the suffering being perpetrated in the callous, heartless, dismissive manner they do. When they talk about saving lives it is posturing to cover up their complete moral emptiness. Their fear and concerns are only for themselves.

This ^^^^^

Thought of my BIL who left a comment on my Arsebook page suggesting that I should stay at home then claims that he has a friend here in the UK who died of Covid. Not to minimise the person’s death or sound callous but I bet that the friend had another illness and if my brother-in-law is anything to go by possibly even obese and very likely counted as a Covid statistic even if he died of something else.

As we’ve said here before many of the zealots are not being financially and/or psychologically being impacted by the lockdowns and restrictions. What’s even more repulsive with the likes of my BIL is they live in a Third World country, one that has been named by the UN as having horrendous records number of people sliding back into extreme poverty due to lockdowns. But of course all he cares about is his little family, pampered lifestyle and posturing that he cares about his extended family – me & Mr Bart.

It’s the lockdownista’s version of “Let them eat cake”

366021 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #217 of 1934 🔗

Yep, they’re all over the place here as well. Sounding off pro lockdown from gated compounds, all meals delivered by little colonial plebs on motorbikes, bless them, and isn’t it lovely how polite they are! (If only they could speak Thai, they could listen to what they really think of them.)

366476 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #218 of 1934 🔗

That doesn’t surprise me. You can bet that its not just expats but wealthy Thais as well who think the same.

I don’t know how lockdown sceptism faring in places like Thailand and the Philippines. Trouble is the majority of people in the latter are fatalistic and don’t seem to realise that lockdown is ruining their lives. Plus won’t be surprised if the Filipino government simply suppressed that UN report I mentioned.

365544 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to stewart, 5, #219 of 1934 🔗

Well said sir they make me fucking sick.

365667 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to stewart, 12, #220 of 1934 🔗

As has been stated many times – this is a direct assault on the working class on behalf of the work from home class

366110 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to stewart, 20, #221 of 1934 🔗

Our local pub was taken over by a young couple from oop North. They rescued it from severe decline caused by the previous useless and lazy tenants. They built it back up and established a fine reputation for food. They were only young, he was 29 but he had always wanted his own pub. The business was going well and we drinking locals had got him properly trained up. Along came the covids. He has now lost in the region of 200K through all this. At an illicit drunken gathering I asked him how much longer he could survive, financially. He said mid March would be it. He has tried to earn pocket money by doing takeaways but it doesn t really go far. He is not eligible for much in the way of support, though he has put his partner/girlfriend on furlough. If this shitshow carries on much longer he (and missis and dogs) will be bankrupt and homeless. They will then have to be housed by the state and some other poor sucker wheeled in to lose their savings in an increasingly insecure industry. I m no expert but I don`t see how driving him, and countless others, into bankruptcy is in any way helpful.

366459 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stevie119, 3, #222 of 1934 🔗

Ah but it stops the locals from socialising and communicating with each other.

365455 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 32, #223 of 1934 🔗

Paediatric ITU converted to adult ITU, babies and neonates with cardio respiratory problems will have to travel 40+ miles. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/childrens-intensive-care-suspended-glenfield-4902252
I will be glad to retire at the end of February, this is not what I signed up for. I retrained and qualified as a registered nurse 15 years ago and the NHS, although always a politicised organisation, has itself mutated into something more deadly than CoViD19.

365500 ▶▶ Annie, replying to p02099003, 7, #224 of 1934 🔗

So much for the value of children’s lives.

365539 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to p02099003, 11, #225 of 1934 🔗

What a shame you’re retiring. Your posts make it clear to me that we need more like you in the NHS. Can’t say I blame you though.

365456 alw, replying to alw, 12, #226 of 1934 🔗

“In a number of Sunday papers:Scientific advisers said it was “hard to see” when the restrictions would end as new variants continued to emerge, delivering a potentially devastating blow to the travel industry. The prime minister said that after progress with vaccinations……”what we don’t want to see is all that work undone by the arrival of a new variant that is vaccine-busting”.The idea is planted in people’s mind that this virus is mutating in such a way as to evade prior immunity. This is completely unfounded, certainly as regards immunity.. “

“But once you’ve realised that what you’re being told is not correct, I hope you’ll have the courage to accept what that means, and not try to build an argument which defends that incorrect argument. In the end, it’s totally up to you. I’m just an ordinary and……independent scientist who noticed, very early on, that lots of things we were told weren’t correct & instead we’re actively damaging. Sadly, it’s not improved since in any way. Good luck! (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1350776020614451206 )”

366067 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to alw, 20, #227 of 1934 🔗

Johnson keeps on blagging out this crap about “all our hard work”, “don’t want to waste all out efforts now”…

Here’s what all your “hard work” has achieved since last March.

  • inflicted a terrified madness on the population that prevents them from seeing anything in proportion, gladdens them at the prospect of being abused and incarcerated and estranges them from friends and loved ones who disagree;
  • destroyed, irreparably, the social and cultural fabric of the nation;
  • permanently wrecked the futures and the mental health of a whole generation of children;
  • left thousands of vulnerable people to rot and die alone;
  • reversed decades of advance in the treatment of cancers and vascular diseases that will CERTAINLY kill;
  • ignored preventative and curative therapies for those suffering the immune overreaction to covid infection because they were not on message for your state doctrine of doom, causing thousands of unnecessary COVID deaths even as you acted as if covid was all that mattered;
  • trashed the world’s fifth largest economy and indebted future generations for decades by paying people to do nothing for a year, merely postponing an economic reckoning you will have no tools left to combat;
  • instilled a culture of policing everything up to and including breathing, whereby it is not just permissible, but admirable and obligatory to snitch on your neighbours for anything up to and including breathing in an unacceptable way.

Mr Johnson, with the greatest respect – fuck off and die.

366468 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #228 of 1934 🔗

The Sunk Cost Fallacy.

366519 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Basileus, #229 of 1934 🔗

Really do learn something new every day on here. I’d never heard of that.

365459 Tom Blackburn, 2, #230 of 1934 🔗

Wanksock:
The End is Not Nigh

365460 alw, 15, #231 of 1934 🔗

“I was first drawn into this mess when I met up by chance with a senior manager in NHS England. He’d noticed that, despite ITU beds emptying out late spring & into summer, elective surgery was at an historically low ebb. I’d asked why & he showed me slides from a recent internal.. “

”…meeting. The #1 priority was not, as I’d expected, “Get the NHS back on its feet & start helping those who’d not been seen during the crisis”. No, it was “Run the NHS as lightly loaded as possible, so as to be prepared for the 2nd wave”. I told him viruses didn’t do waves & (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1351368104325111811 )”

365462 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 5, #232 of 1934 🔗

Regarding the Lord Sumption situation, the analysis is obvious:

A year of everyone’s live is worth the same.

365468 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Laurence, 1, #233 of 1934 🔗

Then is it rather a case of some having more left to lose than others? And the cost to others of that one year of life?

365498 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #234 of 1934 🔗

The value of your life ends where the value of mine begins.

365488 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Laurence, 24, #235 of 1934 🔗

I look at it like this: has the last year been a quality of life year? No.

I’d hazard a guess almost all of the rest of the country agree. Even if they support lockdowns.

Therefore we’ve lost 67 million life years just this year due to Gov madness.

365513 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Laurence, 11, #236 of 1934 🔗

I agree. Such an unfair portrayal of Lord Sumption.
Most people don’t know that normally the NHS uses Quality of life years added to decide who gets the liver transplant for instance. So someone in their 40’s with stage 4 bowel cancer may not get the transplant if there is a healthy 60 year old who also needs it.
Also normally the NHS spends around £80,000 to save a life. Not sure where we are now, but in June it was estimated to be £ 1 million….

365469 Julian, replying to Julian, 23, #237 of 1934 🔗

Until recently I thought there was a reasonable chance that once the vaccine had been rolled out the government would be keen to declare victory

For whatever reason, that appears not to be the case – they seem to want to live in a permanent state of medical emergency, forever

365541 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, 12, #238 of 1934 🔗

Because this is not about a virus. Clearly.

365681 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Julian, 2, #239 of 1934 🔗

The bat cold is the perfect cover for decades of mismanagement UK PLC
Why would they give it up?

365790 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 4, #240 of 1934 🔗

It is all about the health passport / digital

365471 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 13, #241 of 1934 🔗

The wife of one of my wife’s work colleagues apparently had an adverse reaction to the vaccine the other day.

She’s mid thirties and healthy. She was apparently vomiting, had a temperature of 41 degrees, had the shakes and was finding it difficult to breathe. It was bad enough that they called an ambulance. She hasn’t been admitted to hospital.

Not sure which manufacturer’s vaccine she had.

365472 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #242 of 1934 🔗

But she will be counted as a ‘success’ supporting the ‘95% effective’ statistic…because she would not die from the flu anyways and she survived the vaxx…..ergo, great success.

365486 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to FerdIII, 4, #243 of 1934 🔗

Yes, with such a low bar for ‘success’, anything counts when it comes to this.

365748 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #244 of 1934 🔗

Stress induced, surely! Or just ‘coincidence’. I saw that one of the unfortunate US women who suffered horrendous uncontrollable post-vaccine body tremors (including her tongue) was advised by consultants after tests that they couldn’t find anything clinically wrong with her so their conclusion was that it was probably a panic attack. Yeah, of course it was. Why should we think otherwise?

365785 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #245 of 1934 🔗

Suggest she immediately report this adverse reaction – unless you report you won’t be able to claim in future. Reminder that some reaction will only become ‘noticeable’ over a long period of time

https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk

https://www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update/reporting-suspected-adverse-drug-reactions-to-vaccines-and-biological-medicines

365985 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #246 of 1934 🔗

The same symptoms have been widely reported.

365474 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 26, #247 of 1934 🔗

I’m feeling a bit frustrated today

I am against all lockdowns from the first one until now (I can sort of see how panic gave rise to the ‘3 week’ one – but it was clearly unnecessary)

Now we are in a lockdown with no end in sight – is it March? Autumn? When the vulnerable have been vaccinated? What if the vaccine doesn’t work as well as advertised? What about ‘new mutant strains’? What about normal pressure on the NHS next winter – are we still going to be vigorously testing for just one of the 200 colds that knock old people over?

There is no exit plan. My MP has been demanding it (he says) but we know a) it is not forthcoming b) it doesn’t exist – SAGE and the government are winging it and just doing what the most shouty advisors want

I don’t see pressure from the public while furlough is ongoing. Its nice to think in Spring we will all go out and ignore the regulations but last Spring we all happily sat in our gardens

I see the only hope as coming from abroad. Some of our more hot blooded cousins demand an end to lockdown on the continent and the end of the world doesn’t happen

I feel as if we haven’t progressed in a year. Last March/April we ‘flattened the curve’ – but the restrictions stayed (loosened a bit but stayed and the government was on a hair trigger to tighten them)

What is the way out?

365479 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to steve_w, 8, #248 of 1934 🔗

Elections. That’s why the government is casting around desperately for an excuse to put the May elections off.

365493 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim Bidie, 10, #249 of 1934 🔗

Sadly I can’t see elections changing much – still not enough people on our side

I don’t see a way out in the short to medium term

Stay healthy and sane, look after yourself and your nearest and dearest, and do what you can to fight the madness

Maybe other countries will come out of it quicker, in which case we may have the option of somewhere better to go, though for many reasons this won’t be an option for a lot of us

365755 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Julian, 1, #250 of 1934 🔗

I keep making the point that proportional representation is the way out which means a big tactical vote for the lib dems at every election possible.

I entirely concede that to be a step too far for most, the lib dems being what they are, but, with the two main parties clones of each other, I believe that sometimes you just have to hold your nose and vote for something disagreeable to achieve the deferred benefit of a system amenable to the start up of the new young parties that this country (and not just this country. Pelosi/Harris ‘reaching out’ to Republicans ain’t happenin’, ever!) so desperately needs.

365499 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #251 of 1934 🔗

If they are still having that summit in June, how are they going to cancel May elections? They might be hypocritical enough to do so, though.
All the main parties are on with Covid hysteria, though. If explicitly anti-lockdown parties or groups are going to stand, they need to be organising now.

365759 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Waldorf, 1, #252 of 1934 🔗

These guys are up to everything.

Only a seismic vote against the two main parties in May’s council elections, London mayoral election, will get the message across.

London, with Piers Corbyn standing, could be interesting……

365842 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #253 of 1934 🔗

London also has David Kurten (a lockdown sceptic) standing so I guess Piers will just split the sceptic vote.

366223 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to stevie, #254 of 1934 🔗

The sceptic vote appears to be insinificant. We shall see…

More importantly, in my view, Mr Corbyn will take a lot of votes away from the incumbent……..

365475 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 26, #255 of 1934 🔗

Well I reckon most people are privately thinking that they will quietly start breaking rules anyway, it reads to me as if Hancock knows this and is running scared.

365485 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 13, #256 of 1934 🔗

Whatever the opinion polls say people seem to me to be breaching more and more of the regulations or “recommendations” – total compliance with them is probably impossible anyway. The odd mover and shaker caught without a mask or going out and about is certainly a hypocrite but also an indication that this thing is eroding.

365495 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 16, #257 of 1934 🔗

His latest pronouncements reek of desperation. Surely he should know that everything from restrictions to masks to vaccines are not going according to plan.

If businesses have the gumption to follow Italy, Switzerland and Poland then this whole edifice will fall apart.

365519 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 4, #258 of 1934 🔗

I hope you’re right. But bearing in mind his lack of acting skills, he doesn’t look like a man who is running scared right now.

365478 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #259 of 1934 🔗

This is the future of the country, right here, in this argument:

“All lives are not of equal value – the older you are, the less valuable yours is because there’s less of it left.”

And

‘Who are you to put a value on life? In my view, and I think in many others, life is sacred and I don’t think we should make those judgement calls. All life is worth saving regardless of what life it is people are living.”

If our government cannot make a reasoned and objective cost benefit of where lies the greater good of the greater number, and it manifestly has not, then it is clearly derelict in its first duty of defence of the realm.

365516 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tim Bidie, 20, #260 of 1934 🔗

This argument that someone’s life at 95 is the same as a 5 yr old is completely idiotic and is compounded by the NHS slapping DNR notices on anyone over 55 who happens to come through the doors of a hospital. It’s sickening hypocrisy to be honest.

365599 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #261 of 1934 🔗

Looking forward to framing mine (so the paramedics can’t miss it) as soon as it pops through the door (I’m 67+).

365489 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 14, #262 of 1934 🔗

I am of the opinion lockdowns don’t work.
Thinking…..ok, so now with a vaccine the government has a way out and can try to save face….
But, now instead of grasping that opportunity they are still stuck on the lockdown conveyor belt.
I have not understood anything that is happening from day one, and still fail to despite desperately trying…

365506 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to MFvH, 8, #263 of 1934 🔗

And even those who try to argue that they are worthwhile in the short term cannot claim that they are a viable strategy in the long term. The longer you do it, the more the costs dwarf the benefits.

So I wonder what the likes of Snowdon and Haimes will say to this latest Hancock pronouncement.

365511 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to MFvH, 16, #264 of 1934 🔗

May I suggest, you’re looking in the wrong place for answers.

  1. Do they want a way out?
  2. When has any government ever taken away rights then given them back?

They may allow the Coronavirus Act 2020 to go extinct when the sun goes down, but the next dawn will breath life into a new more draconian public health act 2021.

People that wont accept this is a political crisis will continue to suffer in denial. There is only one solution the whole circus & its all of its clowns have to go, sooner the better.

365514 ▶▶ Julian, replying to MFvH, 9, #265 of 1934 🔗

They are either wicked or barking mad or both

365490 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 24, #266 of 1934 🔗

That letter to Geoffrey Cox is spot on and one I’ve encountered a fair number of times. If anything the whole farrago about masks illustrates several things I’ve noticed over the past few months:

  1. many people (even educated ones) are easily brainwashed and don’t bother to do their research and reading. A point that the letter writer made himself when he queried why the government who are ready to patronise the public with their slogans never bother to think that the same public won’t bother to read the guidelines.
  2. All the campaigns about mental health and disability awareness over the last few years were only lip service and any improved public attitudes towards both is only skin deep. During this crisis, attitudes towards mental health and people with disabilities have regressed back to the Stone Age. If this carries on, we will be back in the Pre-Cambrian Era.
  3. Solzhenitsyn himself would have been vindicated if he ever came back to life and saw what was going on – that people commit evil because they believe that they’re doing good. So people who virtue signal with their muzzles and abuse those who can’t wear them think they’re doing it for the good for the public but actually are committing evil. Something we should hammer home especially when this shit show is over and these virtue signallers try to deny their complicity in all these.
  4. The supermarkets and their overpaid CEOs are stupid and have allowed the government to manipulate them into carrying out their dirty work. Made worse further as supermarket workers are poorly paid and poorly trained.

The only thing we can do is to keep on fighting back. The government and those who insist on these muzzles should know they haven’t got a leg to stand on. Not only for legal reasons but also to halt the slide into totalitarianism and further division of our society.

365764 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #267 of 1934 🔗

Great post.

The only one good thing on the supermarkets ‘clamping’ down on masks is that for the first time the concept of ‘exemptions’ got some air time. The rest of the message is horrible. Hopefully people will vote with their feet and/or do more of their purchases from independent shops and less from these supermarkets.

The worst supermarket is Waitrose!

365904 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, #268 of 1934 🔗

Exactly. Hopefully this farce with the supermarkets is making more people aware of exemptions and the fact that abuse and harassment of exempt people is fairly widespread and unacceptable.

Waitrose isn’t the worst for me. It’s my local M&S which I’ve boycotted since despite their apologies.

365999 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Victoria, 1, #269 of 1934 🔗

I have had no problems at all in Waitrose. In my shop they even still have the dividers!

366108 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #270 of 1934 🔗

I work for a very high profile luxury dept store. The mask has been enforced, not encouraged, mine and colleagues distress has been ignored, never has any information on exemption, and damn near threw a hiss fit, when, finally having had enough of it, I claimed exemption. I’ve also asked for the risk assessment, which so far, hasn’t been forthcoming.

366552 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jinks, #271 of 1934 🔗

Your employer is certainly treading on shaky ground if they refuse to even discuss your exemptions much less honour it.

365491 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #272 of 1934 🔗

This is an interesting one to watch. It’s generally been anticipated that it’s just under 1 week from 1st infection to a test being able to identify the virus.
If you’re one of the few who gets ill then a further week to 2 weeks before hospitalisation.
Then if you’re incredibly unlucky & die that’s normally 2 to 3 weeks after hospital admission.
The current data seems to show it all converging. Which probably means, false positives or people catching the virus just before they die of something else when already in hospital.

365510 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to NickR, 2, #273 of 1934 🔗

I think this is at the core of the ‘with’ or ‘from’ argument

if its ‘with’, cases, hospitalisations and deaths will tend to converge

but deaths and those in hospital are having tested over last 28 days so will all lag – even if every case was a false positive

365549 ▶▶ Will, replying to NickR, 2, #274 of 1934 🔗

Or they are fiddling the figures to make it look like this pointless lockdown, which no one is observing anyway, is responsible for a sudden fall in deaths…

365564 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, 2, #275 of 1934 🔗

I don’t think they are fiddling the figures – I just don’t think they are very useful

‘anyone who has tested positive in hospital in the last 28 days’ – then repeatedly testing them with an unknown FP and sending to rapidly opened labs with poorly trained staff etc

its just got very little to do with going or being treated in hospital for covid

365502 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 12, #276 of 1934 🔗

Age-standardised mortality rates standardised using the 2013 European Standard Population, England, 1971 to 2020

Year   Rate per 100,000
1971   1808.43
1972   1865.82
1973   1839.50
1974   1819.81
1975   1792.63
1976   1834.31
1977   1732.02
1978   1735.69
1979   1742.85
1980   1681.99
1981   1657.45
1982   1653.52
1983   1629.35
1984   1573.77
1985   1618.07
1986   1570.50
1987   1508.30
1988   1508.69
1989   1506.01
1990   1456.35
1991   1458.92
1992   1409.00
1993   1445.78
1994   1368.91
1995   1384.47
1996   1365.95
1997   1343.34
1998   1321.88
1999   1312.06
2000   1259.81
2001   1229.33
2002   1225.01
2003   1225.34
2004   1156.56
2005   1137.59
2006   1099.27
2007   1084.54
2008   1085.45
2009   1027.75
2010   1010.97
2011   972.91
2012   981.27
2013   979.08
2014   946.73
2015   986.57
2016   959.79
2017   959.00
2018   956.10
2019   918.60
2020   1037.30 (Provisional)

Sources:
1. 1971 to 2016: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/008520agestandardisedmortalityratesstandardisedusingtheboth2013and1976europeanstandardpopulationsbysexengland1971to2016 [accessed 19 January 2021].

2. 2017 to 2020: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/december2020 [accessed 19 January 2021].

365559 ▶▶ alw, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 4, #277 of 1934 🔗

The number of deaths in my area of London since March remains the same a grand total of six. I checked the area where are used to live and it remains 12 with no further deaths since earlier this year and this is an area with a couple of care facilities. I wonder where all these so called increased deathscome from?

365504 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 7, #278 of 1934 🔗

Listened to the GMB clip.Regarding the lad first up, I didn’t know that a Covid side effect was to make you say “like” in every sentence.

365528 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to arfurmo, 10, #279 of 1934 🔗

Both their ‘gotchas’ to ‘trap’ Lord Gumption proved the opposite. An old man (Tom Moore) was encouraged to agree that he would not be resuscitated and a young man was not and benefited from major resources that would be denied someone older. For instance the 40ish chap with type 1 diabetes that I went sailing with on a Thames barge in August 2019 has died because his cancer treatment was not completed last summer by the National Covid Service. What a pity he can’t tell his story to Piers Morgan and Susanna “Not hard enough” Reid.

365507 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 72, #280 of 1934 🔗

If the answer is no then social distancing policies are likely to remain until every adult has been vaccinated, which the Government aims to do by September. The first four groups (14 million people) are due to be vaccinated by the middle of next month.’

See, again it’s that automatic assumption held by quite a few MSM outlets that all adults will be vaccinated, regardless of whether they want it or not and regardless of whether it is appropriate for that patient’s personal medical need. Really quite scary that the MSM just assumes that everyone will be lining up to take an unlicensed emergency medical treatment for a disease that the vast majority survive with no ill effects.

And who else thinks that the MSM will emotionally blackmail those that refuse – not only in terms of ‘You’re killing granny!!’ but also ‘We are only still in lockdown because people have refused the vaccine, how dare they be so selfish, it’s THEIR fault we’re still locked up!’

I don’t care how hard the MSM ramps up the propaganda. I am a healthy 22-year-old and I will not take this vaccine until I am ready because there is simply no long-term data and for someone of my age and health profile, the risks of the vaccine outweigh the risks of the disease. In any sane world the discussion would end there, but we crossed the Rubicon of medical ethics long ago.

365518 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Poppy, 16, #281 of 1934 🔗

The press are trying to make it true by saying it. People believe what they are told. Goebbels would be pleased with what is going on now. No, most adults won’t take the vaccine. Coercion is illegal and the press are a disgrace.

365522 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Poppy, 28, #282 of 1934 🔗

The fact this country has even floated the idea of mandatory vaccinations will forever stain my opinion of it.

This is nothing like Great Britain and has not been for a while.

365537 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Poppy, 9, #283 of 1934 🔗

Stick to you guns, do what’s right by yourself, so not participate on your own enslavement.

365538 ▶▶ Will, replying to Poppy, 13, #284 of 1934 🔗

I am in the same boat although a bit older than yourself at 46, with no comorbidities. The additional factor for me is that my daughter suffered a catastrophic, incurable vaccine injury after her pre school MMR. When the vaccine is fully licensed I might think about it, until then, no thanks.

365629 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Will, 3, #285 of 1934 🔗

Sorry to hear about your daughter. I hope. she’s as well as can be. My boy has got his 3 yr 3mnth jabs coming up …

366218 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Will, 4, #286 of 1934 🔗

Don’t have it, Will. You don’t need it.
These mRNA vaccines are not good and it is my prediction (previously posted) that they will not continue. But how many will be damaged by the time they are stopped is the question.

365545 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Poppy, 5, #287 of 1934 🔗

I’m with you pops & i am way older , stick to your guns 👍 😉

365563 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 11, #288 of 1934 🔗

Agree with you Poppy. I’m turning 43 this year, no underlying illness, last had the flu 25-30 years ago and never had the flu vaccine. Why should I have this Covid vaccine when the risks for someone even in my age group outweighs the benefits?

NO! NEIN! NEVER!

365589 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Poppy, 5, #289 of 1934 🔗

I can’t believe it’s not mentioned in the media how it’s unclear that it may impact fertility. Anyone who wants children in the future will need to think seriously about this. Men and women.

365651 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #290 of 1934 🔗

It appears to me that the sort of middle-class, comfortable, globalist gimps who blindingly support this vaccine are the same people who have abstract, dinner-party conversations about ‘overpopulation’ and how people need to stop having children… and yet they’d be the first to complain in 25-30 years’ time when there are no carers, doctors, plumbers, engineers, etc…

365669 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 4, #291 of 1934 🔗

Many of those I know who blindly support the vaccine are my millenial colleagues. I’ve wondered if they thought of the consequences while at the same time whining why they can’t find someone they can be in a relationship that will lead to marriage and children.

365627 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 10, #292 of 1934 🔗

The difference between opinion polls and the eventual result of an election conducted through a secret ballot has often been remarked upon.

The vaccine is a sort of secret ballot. No one needs to know whether you’ve had the poison or not. I am quite happy to tell everyone I’m not going near it, but that’s my choice.

I’m pretty sure employers won’t be able to insist on knowing, and if a few travel firms choose to do so then they can be among the many travel firms who go bust – travel margins are unlikely to be sufficiently generous to allow firms to pick and choose their clients to much degree.

In any case the legal arguments would go on for years, by which time I guess the claims for compensation owing to vaccine damage will be well advanced.

365794 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to TJN, #293 of 1934 🔗

I’d love to be that positive about it. However, I see countries mandating it as a requirement for entry. Therego, you can’t travel and you can’t book a holiday without it.

365822 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JHUNTZ, #294 of 1934 🔗

I reckon that maybe at the start they’ll try to restrict entry, but as larger countries don’t do it the practice will gradually be abandoned. Just my speculation of course.

366155 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to TJN, 2, #295 of 1934 🔗

If I was a country with nice weather, beaches etc, I would allow un vaxxed entry. I would be swamped and make a killing out of all the happy tourists – until the rest caught up and dropped their requirements.

366244 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to stevie119, 1, #296 of 1934 🔗

Quite. Money and profit is a great swayer of motivation.

365772 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Poppy, 4, #297 of 1934 🔗

might we come up with a snappy ‘Prick exempt’ lanyard. Perhaps a penis rampant with a big X over it?

365509 Andrew K, 7, #298 of 1934 🔗

https://c19ivermectin.com/

Revamped page also showing all the stydies for Vit. C & D, HCQ, Zinc, PVP-I, Remdesivir guess which one is least effective, most expensive and the one pushed hard by the BBC

Also includes a count of lives tat could be saved if they used these cheap drugs.

365512 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #299 of 1934 🔗

I like to publish the Euromomo data every now & then especially for the Celtic side of the family. Good to know that you’re trashing the economy to achieve……. to achieve the same death rate we normally have!

365526 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to NickR, 2, #300 of 1934 🔗

we have uk weekly all cause deaths out today

useless though – if its above – could be catch up on reporting over xmas

if its below – could be catch up on reporting over xmas

etc

365767 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, #301 of 1934 🔗

Look at the Republic figures on Euromomo, they’ve somehow stopped all kinds of death

365931 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #302 of 1934 🔗

Yes, Ireland has simultaneously the highest rate of infections in the world & the lowest rate of deaths ever!

365521 Julian, replying to Julian, 12, #303 of 1934 🔗

As a former lover of watching professional tennis (now refuse to, just play when I can and watch amateurs) I am delighted to see the whole paper thin facade that entertainement for the masses can be provided with coronapanic restrictions in place being torn asunder

More players have tested +ve in Australia, senior players are lobbying for restrictions to be eased, other players are criticising them, players are confined to their bedrooms to practice against the wall

I feel sorry for the lower ranked players (anyone outside maybe top 50 doesn’t actually earn that much) and the people employed by them and by the tennis industry, but it is all part of the bread and circuses strategy to keep the masses appeased and I hope more and more people just don’t bother with it

365535 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 8, #304 of 1934 🔗

If I was an Australian wanting to get home, being told there was insufficient quarantine space, I would be outraged to see all these foreigners by-passing the queue just so they can play tennis.

365550 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, 9, #305 of 1934 🔗

Tennis players practicing in their room is peak coronabollocks couldn’t stop laughing at the absurdity of it.

365524 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #306 of 1934 🔗

Off topic but another video surfaces of the US election irregularities.

This is of the audit in Michigan and the supervisor ordering the counters to accept all the known fake votes:

https://twitter.com/Charles28973069/status/1351027067136204804

So how long and how much does it take for a “conspiracy theory” to become “truth”?

365762 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #307 of 1934 🔗

Just count them and we will kick the issue of duplicate signatures into the long grass.

Thats how that looks.

366164 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #308 of 1934 🔗

If Trumpy is going to present all this evidence of fraud, he`d better get a move on!

365529 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #309 of 1934 🔗

does anyone know which elections have been cancelled so far? maybe across europe (I think there have been lots of cancellations in the developing world)

1 – london mayor elections

366068 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to steve_w, 1, #310 of 1934 🔗

Thuringia regional in Germany.

Same region where Merkelator did not like the coalition formed after the last election and ‘arranged’ to get a different coalition installed.

365540 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to dommo, 5, #312 of 1934 🔗

That’s a massive under estimate, the consequences of lockdown & economic catastrophe will likely kill & imperil tens of millions, if you find illegal immigration problematic now wait until there are mass famine migrations, they’ll only head in one direction, NORTH!

365584 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to dommo, 5, #313 of 1934 🔗

far too low. 15 million life years in UK at bare minimum (a harsh recession takes 3 months off everyones life on average) + missed cancer etc

365536 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #314 of 1934 🔗

“News” in the making:

https://gab.com/KTHopkins

If you can get on gab that is.

365547 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #315 of 1934 🔗

She never holds anything back does she.

365741 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Awkward Git, #316 of 1934 🔗

Gab been working fine for me for a few days now
Even on my phone
Don’t forget the groups

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054
Lockdown sceptics https://gab.com/groups/7848

365543 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 43, #317 of 1934 🔗

From the Telegraph: “Getting Covid vaccine could prompt public to abandon rules, say scientists. Ministers urged to warn people that vaccination is not a licence to ignore lockdown restrictions”

So there we have it. The vaccine, that marvel of human ingenuity which was talked up for several months as the route out of this catastrophe, is now revealed to be yet another carrot on the stick to lead the gullible masses further down the road, like lambs to the slaughter.

So this is how I see it – we’re supposed to take an experimental, unlicensed vaccine for a disease 99.9% of us will survive, which won’t give us immunity to said disease so therefore we need to stay masked up, locked up and compliant until unelected, well-paid government scientists with a track record of utter failure decide to release us from this torture.

I watched V for Vendetta last night. Oh how we need a public rebellion of the scale depicted in that film to end this Orwellian nightmare. A phrase uttered by the hero couldn’t resonate more perfectly:

“People shouldn’t be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”

365622 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Scotty87, 7, #318 of 1934 🔗

Vaxx’s never stop transmission. The morons, sorry, ‘scientists’, have said for months it does. Why? Well up to your view on what you think is going on. Said on purpose, due to ignorance, hope, or what the pharma told them to get the huge monies to develop it?

Flu vaxx’s have 60 years of failure. Fake News does the usual post winter, ‘why did the flu vaxx fail again’, every single year. Many have taken the flu vaxx and still been sick. Some from the vaxx, some from a virus ‘variant’ that the vaxx did not anticipate.

They will use this to enforce Diapers (useless) and Distancing (de-humanising) for a very long time…..99.7% recovery rate remember. Malaria is more deadly.

365760 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Scotty87, 4, #319 of 1934 🔗

as the great Malcolm Tucker put it: “I think we should use the carrot and stick approach. Take the carrot, stick it up his f&cking ar$e, followed by the stick, followed by an even bigger, rougher carrot.” Or was it M Hancock?

365839 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Scotty87, #320 of 1934 🔗

Agreed. I used to love that film but now it’s reality , only we do not have a V figure bringing this fight to the government. We have nobody and this will never end.

366077 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Scotty87, 1, #321 of 1934 🔗

A flash mob in supermarkets wearing V masks and black cloaks (a black binbag would do the trick) would be a nice statement. Wear a mask and PPE – help our supermarket Save Lives. You’re welcome – penny for the Guy?

365552 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 7, #323 of 1934 🔗

I just want to leave Australia. God, it’s rough. They’re saying widespread travel won’t be back until next year even after the vaccine.

365607 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Caramel, 1, #324 of 1934 🔗

I feel like at least yous have the beach and good weather?

It’s hell in Scotland but maybe i’m suffering from my own personal bias?

365619 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #325 of 1934 🔗

Point of info – most of Scotland is closer to a beach than most of Australia

365637 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Pancho the Grey, 1, #326 of 1934 🔗

Ah but that’s useless without the good weather!

365782 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #327 of 1934 🔗

Agreed which is why I never go to the beach in Scotland

366205 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Caramel, #328 of 1934 🔗

Don’t come here, Caramel. It’s just as bad and the weather is vile.

365553 alw, 7, #329 of 1934 🔗

Lockdown has caused far more destruction than we can ever recover from. Forgive us if we don’t feel like celebrating the success of the mass vaccine rollout. It’s come at the cost of our lives.”

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/why-i-am-not-sharing-the-vaccine-jubilation/

365554 danny, 1, #330 of 1934 🔗

Simple yet effective. Please share wherever you can.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BslFT9cKZwc

365555 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 42, #331 of 1934 🔗

Thoughts on the immune system … It seems strange to me that there has been so little discussion on our immune system. Whilst I don’t understand the workings of the immune system completely (does anyone?) it does seem to be pretty amazing.

For the vast majority of us, our immune system will easily deal with covid and prevent us from getting seriously ill. But if our immune system is weakened, then it is less effective at fighting viruses, putting us more at risk of serious illness.

However, so many policies introduced this year to “protect us”, have had a detrimental effect on the smooth functioning of our immune system. Some examples…

  • Govt comms strategy of instilling fear and panic = increased anxiety / poor sleep = weakened immune system
  • Closing of business / schools / clubs / society in general = increased levels of stress = weakened immune system
  • Scaring the crap out of people so they stay indoors during spring / summer = less vitamin D via sunlight = weakened immune system
  • Enforced sedentary behaviour (i.e. stay at home) = less physical activity = weakened immune system

It is difficult to imagine a set of policies which could be worse at weakening our immune system than those which have been introduced in the past year.

Like many of us here, I am certainly not anti-vax, but I am also not an immune system-denier! We have an immune system. It is brilliant. Why has the mainstream debate become so unbalanced? It’s like the immune system doesn’t exist, and the only thing which can save us is the vaccination. Where are all the doctors and nurses and nutritionists who know this? Why aren’t they speaking out? Why aren’t they challenging the policies which are making the nation’s health weaker?

365569 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Tommo, 15, #332 of 1934 🔗

I agree with you on this our immune systems are incredible and work to remove disease from our bodies.

This whole thing of constant staying safe and cleaning everything with in an inch of its life has been going on for a good few years now. I would imagine its driven by the desire to sell products and therefore make money. And it’s easy to do that if you aim for people’s weak spots which is their health and family so to protect your family use this product to avoid any illness.

I’ve never bought into this world of constant cleaning probably due to owning ponies and having worked on a farm.

There was a study done once about who was the healthiest children brought up on farms exposed to lots of dirt and muck etc or children brought up in a very clean environment. And the children on the farms were deemed healthier and less likely to get allergies etc.

365595 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ambwozere, 13, #333 of 1934 🔗

So agree with this. This constant anti-bac-ing of everything is very bad for health. I trust my immune system far more than I trust a damaging cocktail of chemicals.

365660 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #334 of 1934 🔗

We’ve seen that with a lot of kids now who seem to catch every cold and bug going.

366020 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ambwozere, 3, #335 of 1934 🔗

Children in air polluted 80’s Russia had less Asthma than children in the West which by then was introducing cleaner air measures.

365604 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Tommo, 9, #336 of 1934 🔗

Anyone I know who is OCD about cleanliness, always seems to get sick or bugs more often.
I grew up spending time on both Grandparents farms and getting mucky and I rarely got ill, even with having asthma.

365615 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Tommo, 5, #337 of 1934 🔗

Add to that list that people are spending more time indoors hence don’t have the opportunity for sunlight to boost their vit D levels.

365658 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tommo, 18, #338 of 1934 🔗

Well said. If this was seriously about health, the government and NHS would have been bombarding us with the following:

  1. eat sensibly and healthily
  2. go out, exercise
  3. Vitamin D (plus Vitamin C, zinc, magnesium)
  4. take care of your mental health – go out, socialise, do the things you love
  5. catch it, bin it, kill it

Yet there’s none of the above which are crucial to keeping our immune systems healthy and ticking over. All of their measures – lockdown, muzzling, social distancing, sanitising, etc have been all designed to weaken the immune system. It makes you wonder why they’re doing this and why hardly anyone in the medical profession has been speaking out against all these?

365664 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Tommo, 3, #339 of 1934 🔗

One of the very first things I thought was odd about the whole situation last year.
Well said.

365831 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tommo, #340 of 1934 🔗

The policies are all based on the science (as we have been so often told), so it has to be deliberate.

365557 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 7, #341 of 1934 🔗

Interesting story in the local Derbyshire Media about an individual who caught the CCP Virus at Derby hospital, got discharged an then ill. Infection control looks to be a major problem at Derby Hospital. The vast difference in performance between hospitals and NHS Trust is staggering, figures the media are very reluctant to pick up on. When Bunter finally decides the time is right to lift the current restrictions Derby won’t be top of the list for sure, with the hospital performance it has. That is a sad fact, made worse by Hancock attaching the whole county to Derby, when many don’t go to Derby Hospital ever.

One person who pops up in the media who should bear a huge responsibility for the NHS disaster in places like Derby, which has led to the current shutdown that will scar for decades (although many think they are immune, few will be) is ex health secretary Jeremy Hunt. ICU beds are half what they were in 1990 and the reductions in Hunt’s tenure were huge, despite warnings of possible pandemic on the cards. Hunt did nothing and now we have the CCP Virus with an NHS with far more management costs but less critical care beds, by far.

Current government ministers rightly get criticism for the lies and appalling decisions but whenever Hunt appears, as he did last week I hear a man with a very guilty conscience, desperate not to end up hooked.

365598 ▶▶ TJN, replying to nottingham69, 2, #342 of 1934 🔗

I think that’s a perceptive point about Hunt.

365558 NickR, replying to NickR, 8, #343 of 1934 🔗

Deep Blue Yonder posted this data below, for those who prefer it as a chart….

365645 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to NickR, #344 of 1934 🔗

Thanks NickR!

365674 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #345 of 1934 🔗

If you want to get rid of the blip at the end, adjust for age of population as well. 2020 then on trend.

365691 ▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to peyrole, 1, #346 of 1934 🔗

The data in the graph (and in my post earlier today) is age-standardised mortality rates, so does actually take into account changes in the age structure of the population. It is based on the 2013 European Standard Population.

365950 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #347 of 1934 🔗

It’s a great little dataset. It says to someone aged say 72 that for 5/6ths of their lives they’ve survived years when the a higher proportion of the population died each year than is the case this year.

365568 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #348 of 1934 🔗

The Rapists Dad

Declared children’s winter clothes were not essential in winter

Closed the toy shops in the weeks before Christmas

Has a pathological hatred of public houses and any form of entertainment

Cancelled Christmas

Refuses to supply the elderly with ‘vaccine’

Even the Covidians are starting to hate him

365574 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Cecil B, 14, #349 of 1934 🔗

We all have to face the fact that if we ever want to return back to “normal” we are actually going to have to physically remove these globalist commies.

365734 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 1, #350 of 1934 🔗

That’s why he is not running next time
Labour can brush it off and say it was that guys fault
Vote for us anyway
And they will

365737 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Cecil B, 1, #351 of 1934 🔗

The Rapists Dad”

Rape is a vile form of control of one person over another.

Therein may lie the problem, the evil could be hereditary.

366328 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cecil B, 1, #352 of 1934 🔗

He’s a socialist what did you expect?

365571 BeBopRockSteady, 11, #353 of 1934 🔗

That podcast with the WHO rep is just sickening. The first thing the conspiracy theorists noted was dthe existence of the Wuhan lab in very place of the outbreak and the gain of function research.

The idea of the fish market being the source was straight away dismissed as a distraction. I have read since that they demolished that market 4 weeks into the first reports, no reason to believe they wouldn’t do such a thing.

These people are sick. They put up this research into the light as some kind of grand humanitraian endeavour, and sure, maybe the researchers see it that way. But make no mistake, once they have the tech to provide a solution to a problem not yet in existence (coronavirus pandemic), teh incentive to create that problem artificially would be immense. The profits would be collasal and recurring. It would be the biggest enterprise ever and it would also confer such political power that all manner of agendas could be dragged into view, on the basis of resolving the crisis.

We are being hoodwinked and marched into the Gulag people.

365572 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 24, #354 of 1934 🔗

You can tell when an election was fair and square because countries with fair and open elections always have 25,000 armed troops surrounding the seat of power on inauguration day !

365613 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to nickbowes, 5, #355 of 1934 🔗

Imagine if Drumpf had done the same….’fascist’, ‘dictator’, the idiots would scream. Biden the half-wit CCP criminal puppet with his 30 mn vote fraud….’heroic’, ‘fighting against White KKK racism’. etc etc.

365728 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 3, #356 of 1934 🔗

Kamaltoe already has the knife ready

365739 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nickbowes, 1, #357 of 1934 🔗

That theatre could be designed though. It could be there to invite confrontation and bring in repression. The USA is one big game right now.

365823 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to nickbowes, 3, #358 of 1934 🔗

I wouldn’t put it past the Dems to have put someone up to attempting to assassinate Biden at the inauguration. He will survive of course, but the assassin will undoubtedly die in the attempt to hide the truth. Biden will be removed as no longer able to perform the duties and replaced by Harris. She immediately orders a national lockdowm and curfew, enforced by troops to “protect the citizens from acts of domestic terrorism.”

366209 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #359 of 1934 🔗

Great minds…

This inauguration is ripe for a false flag moment.

365575 TJN, replying to TJN, 22, #360 of 1934 🔗

You know who I think is the real villain in all this, in the UK at least: Whitty.

Whitty appears to control SAGE, and with SAGE behind him he controls HM Government. Shame on Johnson for allowing that, but there we are – the rubbish we elect to govern us.

But the real villain is Whitty.

365582 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 8, #361 of 1934 🔗

Remember that photo of Whitty, Hancock, Johnson et. al. The body language in that image spoke volumes.

365592 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 2, #362 of 1934 🔗

Yes – although I do wonder about it. It’s odd that someone was taking pictures in those circumstances, and no one seems to be noticing the camera. You would normally be taking pictures on your smartphone or whatever during a very high-level government meeting. And then it’s as if whoever let it out seemed to want to make a point.

365602 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 2, #363 of 1934 🔗

I just assumed it was taken to show that the government and their advisors were hard at work ‘doing something’. Again, a bit more propaganda.

365661 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, #364 of 1934 🔗

Yes, you are probably correct – maybe I just have too suspicious a mind, especially nowadays.

365594 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to TJN, 8, #365 of 1934 🔗

I think the main problem is

i) SAGE believe Ferguson’s model

ii) they refuse to look at the effects of lockdown on non-covid deaths

iii) they think they are clever

and then

i) Johnson has delegated to SAGE

ii) Johnson hasn’t either a) told SAGE to look at lockdown deaths or b) set up another SAGE to look at lockdown deaths

SAGE refuse to look at lockdown deaths and yet make policy pronouncements and if they aren’t enacted immediately they go to the media

365670 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to steve_w, 4, #366 of 1934 🔗

I think you’re first i-iii can be replaced by i. SAGE are narcissists and sociopaths.

You’re second i-ii is correct, although it needs a iii. Johnson is intellectually lazy, shirks responsibility, and is a moral coward.

365810 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 3, #367 of 1934 🔗

Hancock promised that the government would conduct an assessment of the deaths due to lockdown measures on 10 April 2020. He asserted that this would be undertaken as a matter of urgency and reported to the public immediately. When the government introduced Lockdown Version Three on 6 January 2021, the SI clearly stated there was no impact assessment. The government know that lockdowns kill: they are wilfully looking the other way.

365860 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Steve Hayes, #368 of 1934 🔗

Maajid Nawaz cited a DHSC study. It’s still unpublished. Why could that be?

Here’s an interview with David Davis MP on vitamin D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQyhjQUjHjU&ab_channel=Dr.JohnCampbell

Davis has more or less a degree in biochemistry although the ‘new universities’ as they were then didn’t call it that. I listened to part of it yesterday evening,

366087 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Steve Hayes, #370 of 1934 🔗

Sorry no I don’t think so. From what Nawaz said it would be more recent, i.e. late 2020.

366421 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John001, #371 of 1934 🔗

Personally, if Maajid Nawaz told me it was Tuesday I wouldn’t take his word for it.

365638 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to TJN, #372 of 1934 🔗

It must feel fantastic to think you are saving thousands of lives. I suppose this in part explains their reluctance to give it up.

365675 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Adamb, #373 of 1934 🔗

The only things Whitty is interested are indulging his ego and saving is his own skin.

365685 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TJN, 4, #374 of 1934 🔗

I humbly beg to differ

Whitty may be less than honest, but the PM and cabinet and parliament and the media in that order have enabled/worsened this

365813 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Julian, 1, #375 of 1934 🔗

I quite agree that they’ve been worse than useless – but imagine if they had a proper Chief Medical Officer, instead of a Chief Civid Officer, and imagine if there had been a proper SAGE, drawn from a wide range of backgrounds. I think both the cover for the government’s actions and much of the pressure, would have been lacking, or at least much decreased – allowing a better balanced discussion.

The buck ultimately stops with Johnson though, and I trust he will pay the price.

365576 Chloe_, replying to Chloe_, 44, #376 of 1934 🔗

People who died within days of having the vaccine “likely died of underlying conditions and were 75+ anyway.”

People who died of any cause within 30 days of a positive test? 100% covid deaths, even if they are 75+ with underlying conditions.

The double think is startling. I’m sure everyone has good days and bad days at the moment, and today is a very bad day. I feel no hope that this will ever end.

365583 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Chloe_, 8, #377 of 1934 🔗

its circular reasoning

we count deaths within 28 days of covid +ve as covid
we dont count deaths within 28 days of vaccine as vaccine

why? because covid is bad for you and vaccines are good for you

what’s your proof? covid is killing a lot of people, vaccines aren’t

365600 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Chloe_, 8, #378 of 1934 🔗

There’s an agenda, and it’s clear. How about today’s article fro the DM about the South African strain – so dangerous and highly infectious, yet there have been 54 cases since October. Cognitivie dissonance all round. Anyone who can’t see it has believed the propagada.

365620 ▶▶ AethelredTheReadier, replying to Chloe_, 11, #379 of 1934 🔗

Take heart, Chloe, this is a dark time yes but reason, truth, and love will prevail. You are not alone and we are all in our individual ways fighting for the truth to come out and for normal life, albeit altered in the sense of more consciousness about how we live, to resume. This utter madness must not be allowed to take hold. There are many people doing a sterling effort to inform others: we have many eminent scientists, doctors, academics, politicians, writers, and people from all walks of life who are on your side. None of us accept this nonsense and we will carry on striving for balance, truth, and freedom. We will never kowtow to this lying, conniving cabal. We won’t take their experimental vaccines or their lies. The best things we can do are to organise ourselves, connect with like-minded people, talk to others who don’t know and look after your health, take supplements, eat healthily, exercise, do breathing exercises, meditate if you can and don’t lose heart. Ever. Best wishes and hugs.

365577 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 37, #380 of 1934 🔗

15 signs you are in an abusive relationship. Now apply those to what the government has been doing. 1. Stop you seeing friends and family. 2. Won’t let you go out without permission. 3. Tell you what to wear. 4. Monitor your phone and emails. 5. Control the finances or won’t let you work. 6. Control what you read, watch and say. 7. Monitor everything you do. 8. Punish you for breaking the rules, but the rules keep changing. 9. Tell you it’s for your own good and that they know better. 10. Don’t allow you to question it. 11. Tell you you’re crazy and that no one believes you. 12. Call you names or shame you for being stupid and selfish. 13. Gaslight you. Challenge your memory of events and make you doubt yourself. 14. Dismiss your opinions. 15. Play the victim. If things go wrong, it’s all your fault.

365787 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Elenesse, 1, #381 of 1934 🔗

Parliament made coercive control illegal, but not if the government is the perpetrator.

365579 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 5, #382 of 1934 🔗

https://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/news/treasury-signals-self-employed-tax-equalisation-ahead-of-march-budget/a1451809?re=81593&ea=223427&utm_source=BulkEmail_NMA_Daily_EAM&utm_medium=BulkEmail_NMA_Daily_EAM&utm_campaign=BulkEmail_NMA_Daily_EAM

looks like confirmation of the move towards social credits and UBI – “harmonising” the tax system in this way makes it easier to control who gets paid what and how.

365754 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to vargas99, 3, #383 of 1934 🔗

Financial secretary to the Treasury Jesse Norman says self-employed workers should be taxed at the same rate as employed workers.

So self-employed workers that has no guarantee of income every month, that has to also make company and employee pension contribution, provide for sick leave, provide for annual leave, etc and in addition has to also pay employer NI on top of their employee NI now has to pay the ‘same’ tax as employed workers.

What is Jesse Norma trying to say? Tax rates are the same, the only difference is the deductions (having to run a business).

If they want more equity, suggest that they reduce public sector ‘golden’ pensions for MPs and the generous expenses that they get. If you are an employee and your employer allow you a meal at a restaurant to say thank you get clobbered for tax (P11D), but if MP then you can claim it.

365969 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Victoria, 1, #384 of 1934 🔗

They don’t want self employed people. Changes to IR35 rules in April will all but decimate the contractor market.

365580 mealer, 10, #385 of 1934 🔗

Three points – Chris Whitty has expressed the aim of minimising fatalities throughout this pandemic, yet while the maximum death rate peaked at almost 30% in the first wave, (mid April 2020), it has struggled to exceed 2% in the second wave, regardless of lockdowns. This is proof positive that the virulence of the virus has collapsed in the second wave – most likely as a result of improving medical treatments and rapidly increasing herd immunity.

Secondly, my local medical clinic regularly shows information messages, one of which advises those suffering from viral infections NOT to expect, or ask for, antibiotics, as they have no effect on viruses. Technically, this is correct, but it misses the point completely and is therefore dangerously misleading.

All viruses cause a challenge to the host, insofar as they cause an initial reduction in the immune response. As a result, the body becomes exposed to the risk of a secondary bacterial infection.

Old people, or those with an underlying, medical condition, (such as asthma), are at a significantly higher risk of developing such secondary bacterial infection that can, without antibiotics, prove fatal.

In my opinion, this is the primary reason why covid 19, (and other viral respiratory diseases), has such a high fatality rate in these vulnerable groups.

Doctors are wrong to deny antibiotic cover against secondary infection and those that do so to vulnerable patients are likely contributing to the increased fatality rates.

From my own clinical experience as a veterinary surgeon, treating viral pneumonia in calves, it would be fair to conclude that, had I not administered antibiotics to each patient, they would have almost all died of secondary, bacterial infection.

Thirdly, most viral respiratory infections cause inflammatory fluid, (oedema), within the air sacs, obstructing oxygen perfusion into the blood stream and simultaneous carbon dioxide removal.

In covid 19 patients, such fluid accumulation leads to a kind of partial suffocation and breathing difficulties. Invariably, hospitals reach for mechanical ventilators, in an effort to increase the pressure of oxygen in the air sacs and thus, the blood stream. This is a dangerous clinical decision because the increased oxygen is still unable to cross the fluid barrier in the air sacs and the likeliest outcome is pressurised destruction of the delicate air sacs themselves and increased risk of suffocation.

Patients with respiratory oedema need diuretic medication to clear the fluid, whether before ventilator use or without it, so that they can be fully oxygenated.

This should then be followed by appropriate antibiotic use, in the old and otherwise compromised patient, to protect them from the high fatality risk of secondary bacterial infection.

This is particularly relevant and critical in those vulnerable patients, stricken by covid 19.

Pin back your ears – Vallance and Whitty.

365581 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 23, #386 of 1934 🔗

Legal developments in Canada.

Story here (in French):

https://guyboulianne.com/2020/12/17/me-carlo-alberto-brusa-depose-une-plainte-penale-relative-aux-vaccins-aupres-du-procureur-de-la-republique-pres-le-tribunal-judiciaire-de-paris-sous-le-numero-20351000746/

Here is Google translation:

Me Carlo Alberto Brusa, president of CAB Associés, files a criminal complaint relating to COVID-19 vaccines with the Public Prosecutor at the Judicial Court of Paris, France, under number 20351000746. Me Brusa is an example to be followed by all lawyers, from all countries.
This complaint from the Réaction 19 association, chaired by Messrs Carlo Alberto Brusa and Riccardo Mereu, will undoubtedly be transmitted to the Prime Ministers of Canada, Quebec and the other Canadian provinces, to the Directors of public health in Canada, to professional orders, to people and organizations involved, to varying degrees, in the unjustified restrictions imposed on the Canadian people in the context of the Covid-19 crisis. This French complaint will be sent to them to warn them that very serious legal proceedings will soon be undertaken against them.
The Government is using a strategy to reign terror among the population, and a ban on movement and access to certain public places in order to morally force the population to adopt gene therapy. Indeed, in view of all the studies carried out and the risks observed, as well as the strategy implemented, there is no doubt that the Government was aware that it could not obtain the consent of the population without exercising this moral constraint.
The offense of extortion is therefore characterized. In addition, extortion, when it is committed to the prejudice of a person whose particular vulnerability, due to his age, to an illness, infirmity, physical or mental impairment or a state of pregnancy, is apparent or known to its author, is aggravated. “Commits extortion anyone who, without reasonable justification or excuse and with the intention of obtaining anything, by threats, accusations or violence, induces or attempts to induce any person, whether or not the threatened or accused person, or the one against whom violence is exercised, to accomplish or have something done. ”(Criminal Code (R.S.C. (1985), c. C-46))
In the present case, this offense is committed as a priority against the elderly and presenting comorbidities, that is to say suffering from a pathology pre-existing to the infection. The condition of advanced age and illness cannot be ignored by the Government since these conditions constitute the very object of their intervention. The aggravated extortion offense is therefore characterized in all its elements.
Crime Against Humanity – The Nuremberg Code
We also advise the Federal and Provincial Governments of Canada, the Professional Orders of Canada, and Canadian individuals and organizations involved, to varying degrees, in the unjustified restrictions imposed on the Canadian people in the context of the Covid-19 crisis, that legal proceedings are currently under way at the International Criminal Court in connection with a complaint for crimes against humanity.
This is an international job including French, German, Italian, American lawyers. There is of course Me Carlo Alberto Brusa from CAB Associés, Me Reiner Fuellmich (forensic pathologist) from Dr Fuellmich, as well as Robert F. Kennedy Jr., son of Robert F. Kennedy and nephew of former president John F. Kennedy. The latter is a partner in the law firm Kennedy & Madonna, LLP. Obviously, this complaint will spread to Canada before the International Criminal Court.
The Nuremberg Code is by no means the starting point for ethical and legal reflection on human experimentation: it recapitulates principles known and accepted long before the judgment, since at least the beginning of the 20th century. However, it is indeed the first text with universal (international) claim on the subject. Thus, the court did not judge on rules which would have been invented especially for the trial (which would have been contrary to all principles of criminal law), but according to customary rules commonly accepted “in civilized nations”.

365591 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Basileus, 9, #387 of 1934 🔗

I’m not a religious man but god bless these men. They are real life heroes.

365732 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #388 of 1934 🔗

For sure. Such a victory in any of Canada, USA, Germany, UK, France, Spain etc. would be massive.

366055 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Basileus, 1, #389 of 1934 🔗

Excellent news. Sums it up: gene therapy/extortion.

365585 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 14, #390 of 1934 🔗

Recovery UK Group sent out an email yesterday re swamping the “impartial BBC” with complaints re their Coronavirus coverage.

I want to send mine this morning, anyone’s got some more good ammunition please…?

Thanks all.

365896 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 5, #391 of 1934 🔗

Complaint now fired off for complete absence of impartiality with a couple of examples. I hope 2021 is the year the BBC will go extinct.
From a neutral fence-sitter on the BBC and only partially deploring them for their hubris and arrogance, I have now become an active campaigner against them.

365587 Pancho the Grey, 9, #392 of 1934 🔗

I have to remind everyone again about the danger of comparing any figures with an average taken over a period of year (ref Sarah Knapton’s article). An average is inevitably made up from higher and lower values, so without knowing the spread of the figures you can’t judge how serious or unusual any higher figure might be. It would seem that despite being higher than average this year’s figures are not the highest ever.

365588 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 6, #393 of 1934 🔗

I accidentally posted this on yesterday’s page in response to the video in the comments about testing masks for oxygen level depletion.

I have been wondering whether an even better test for a mask would be to use a Fingertip Pulse Oximeter. These are fairly cheap (~£20) and would give a direct measure of blood oxygen which is what we are interested in. I seem to recall Toby recounted an experience in hospital where wearing a mask had an almost immediate effect on blood oxygen. Any medical practitioners care to comment?

If this works it could be the Experimentum Crucis.

365657 ▶▶ b_sceptic, replying to Basileus, 4, #394 of 1934 🔗

I have just performed the suggested experiment.

We have an Oximeter due to my other half contracting Covid on a cycling holiday in Spain last February. It was pretty bad and it took her about 3 months to recover fully. Only hospitalized for 1 day for extensive tests due to her worryingly low oxygen levels half way through this.

Anyway I did the test on myself in a sitting position as oxygen levels vary a lot if you’re moving about.

The mask was an unused Aldi one made in Vietnam of 100% cotton

First test without mask

98% ox 66 pulse

After mask put on breathing seems a little harder but reading only changed to

96% ox 66 puls

Removing mask brought reading back to the original

96/66

Reapplying mask only led to a reading of

97/66

Conclusion is that mask doesn’t restrict oxygen so much. This possibly also confirms that it probably doesn’t restrict the flow of Covid lipids either.

365689 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to b_sceptic, 4, #395 of 1934 🔗

But would that be the case if you did anything other than sit in a chair?

365856 ▶▶▶▶ b_sceptic, replying to thinkaboutit, #396 of 1934 🔗

The problem with exercise is that it naturally reduces the amount of oxygen in the blood. Heart rate increases to get more oxygen to those working muscles. Level of oxygen is naturally down. Without something to measure the amount of work one is doing it is difficult to make any assessment of what the oxygen levels should be. Obviously that’s my layman’s opinion.

366045 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #397 of 1934 🔗

Individuals have very different reactions to masks, some experience an instant, quite significant drop, some don’t.
No-one knows why.

365777 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to b_sceptic, #398 of 1934 🔗

Very useful, but, as noted below by thinkaboutit, exercise could have an impact on this.

I believe the safety level for workers in tunnels is set at 19.5 ppm which corresponds to about 93% blood oxygen.

365837 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to b_sceptic, 1, #399 of 1934 🔗

When I was wearing a mask on the train in the summer there was one occasion when I dashed from Waterloo East to my train at Waterloo platform 24. I was decidedly out of breath. I have also noticed the effect after a short shop in Tesco when I maybe had been doing it a bit hastily. But sitting idly in a train no issues.

365947 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to b_sceptic, 1, #400 of 1934 🔗

Try doing this after exertion – running for a bus – followed by 10 minutes sitting on the bus (I know from experience this leads to debilitating dizziness which could indicate lack of oxygen).

365590 jc990, replying to jc990, 4, #401 of 1934 🔗

meanwhile the FT:
https://www.ft.com/content/a8e010d9-3b22-4bfa-b43e-7e7d0cd1e548

FT readers: where to wine and dine in Rome The Eternal City’s best restaurants and watering holes, as recommended by you
When FT Globetrotter launched a guide to Rome last autumn, we asked FT readers to share some of their best secrets to the Eternal City. Well, the secrets are out and, naturally, one of Europe’s best food cities evoked plenty of recommendations for where to eat and drink, from hidden gems in quiet neighbourhoods to Michelin-starred fare with views of ancient sites — and even a dining bolt-hole favoured by a pope.

etc. etc. etc.

is this a joke of bad taste?

365665 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to jc990, 3, #402 of 1934 🔗

No. The rich can carry on as normal. If they return and have to quarantine the hotel bill is not a problem and they can probably work from the hotel if necessary.

365593 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 7, #403 of 1934 🔗
365601 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Basileus, 10, #404 of 1934 🔗

I love how the great musician Ian Brown is out all sceptic. Many are disowning him now but he seeks the truth only.

365718 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nickbowes, 1, #405 of 1934 🔗

I’ve tickets to see him since March, been cancelled till November this year. My respect for the man has only grown in 2020

365934 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #406 of 1934 🔗

Nov ! you`ll be lucky., I have tickets for Half Man Half Biscuit postponed from last June to next March – and am sure will get put back yet further

366301 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to nickbowes, #407 of 1934 🔗

I have tickets for the Who, postponed by A YEAR from the end of last March. It`s not looking good for this year.

365608 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #408 of 1934 🔗

Mandy says it’s not over. We know it’s over. Mandy knows it’s over. We know that Mandy knows its over. Mandy knows
that we know that Mandy knows its over. Mandy will continue to say it’s not over

365618 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, 9, #409 of 1934 🔗

Quite the holes he is in. The more who are vaccinated the more people will realise this isn’t about a virus. Only truthfully pointing out the vaccine confers no immunity and the PCR fraud can dig them out of the hole, but they cannot do that because heads will be piked if they do.

365624 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Cecil B, 4, #410 of 1934 🔗

Little does he know that I know that he knows that I know he’s two timing me..

365609 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #411 of 1934 🔗

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

‘cases’ dropping quickly as expected

1 – there is less virus about
2 – there are less false positives )which is mainly contamination and dependent on how much virus about)

so we would expect ‘cases’ to fall faster than Zoe

365713 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 3, #412 of 1934 🔗

I’ve been looking at numbers for my local area. Cases now so usual caveats apply.

Can you give me your thoughts on why this trend is so strange? I may know the answer already (cases are a nonsense, noisy PCR) but just to get another view.

The ramp up peaks on the 29th, similar to national trends, likely people getting tested for Christmas day? Then it falls off a cliff. This is the largest fall in the whole year and the speed of decline has continued. This is not the flown of a virus as it move through a population, it cannot just disappear overnight which is where it is headed on this graph. Case rates not seen here since September.

366610 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #413 of 1934 🔗

Testdemic.

366182 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to steve_w, #414 of 1934 🔗

Yeah but we know the narrative is “lockdowns work”

365610 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 2, #415 of 1934 🔗

Technical paper on Ivermectin:

Antiviral Activity of Ivermectin Against SARS-CoV-2: An Old-Fashioned Dog with a New Trick – A Literature Review
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343689933_Antiviral_Activity_of_Ivermectin_Against_SARS-CoV-2_An_Old-Fashioned_Dog_with_a_New_Trick_-_A_Literature_Review

365617 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 7, #416 of 1934 🔗

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1351451213670191104?s=20

After judge orders hospital to use IVERMECTIN Covid-19 treatment, intubated 80 year old given 20% survival chances recovers in 48 hours and is off the ventilator.

365682 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, 5, #417 of 1934 🔗

Absolutely criminal stuff. This is all to ensure maximum vaccine uptake. There is no other reason for avoiding use of Ivermectin

365946 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #418 of 1934 🔗

Granny Killers, all governments that ignore these treatments, this is why I tell people this is not about the virus.

365611 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #420 of 1934 🔗

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2021-01-18T11_09_03-08_00

The Richie Allen Radio Show, listen while you work. Yesterday gmb Sumption clip was analysed. In all honesty Sumption gives a masterclass in dealing with dicks. It is widely known gmb is a grubby little show with prestenter made out of morons. Sumption is quite simply excellent. He get’s his own totally valid point across several times.

The whole show is worthy of a listen. Much good though. 18+ for the f bombs of frustratiin Allen slips in. Nothinh a sceptic can’t handle.

365676 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 10, #421 of 1934 🔗

Sumption is a class act.

Also please listen to 33mins into the podcast and listen to how Nick Ferrari ushers a caller off the line as she explains why her daughters will not take a vaccine due to the lack of data on fertility impact. As stated on the government website.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-women-of-childbearing-age-currently-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding/covid-19-vaccination-a-guide-for-women-of-childbearing-age-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding

“Sorrry, you seem to be having a bad line there. OK thanks for calling”

Total scripted propaganda laid bare. Why would you trust a vaccine that requires such coercion.

365687 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, #422 of 1934 🔗

Great minds as I have it cued up now.

365612 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 34, #423 of 1934 🔗

During my daily exercise, I’ve been seeing the following posters from the NHS:

Act as if you have it (was gladdened to notice the one I saw yesterday had been vandalised. Someone scribbled “LIES! ALL LIES!” across it.

and

If you bend the rules, people die

I mean, WTF????

These posters and others that the government and the NHS have put out have been manipulative, misleading, false and above all perpetuate large scale Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.

The NHS should be prosecuted for false advertising and abuse. Whoever thought of this and signed all these off should be made to carry the can, put on trial and imprisoned. Not content with their nomenklatura and State Religion status, its appalling that our Health Service see it fit to imprison and manipulate the populace to perpetuate its incompetence.

365623 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #424 of 1934 🔗

If you bend the rules people die. False claim. No proof. None. If you follow the rules people die. Also *rules* are meaningless. Rules are what kids are given.

Take photos for possible submission to the reckoning.

365628 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 6, #425 of 1934 🔗

Exactly. Will have to have my camera or phone on hand if again I see these abominations.

365653 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #426 of 1934 🔗

They have been broadcasting the same crap in radio “ads” with the same sinister sounding voice-over “artist” using a deliberately chilling tone – to some, I expect.

The messages are becoming ever more ludicrous in every way, but are psychological abuse against the public, pure and simple.

365730 ▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to dhid, 4, #427 of 1934 🔗

Indeed. I know of no one to whom I can complain, with it being gov.uk/NHS advice. At least with commercial ads you can complain to the Advertising Standards Authority.
Gov/NHS can lie with impunity, it seems.

365773 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jane G, 6, #428 of 1934 🔗

The NHS are not above the Advertising Standards Authority. In the run up to Christmas they had that advert with Santa in hospital which led to a Twitter campaign and loads of people writing to the ASA to complain.

The ASA upheld the complaints and ordered the NHS to withdraw the advert which they did.

366239 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #429 of 1934 🔗

Right – I’ll be issuing a strongly worded objection soonest. If I’d known this I would have sent a rocket about the hospital poster featuring a canoodling couple with blankets over their (individual) heads.

365769 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to dhid, 9, #430 of 1934 🔗

That’s why I stopped listening to Classic FM, the NHS ads became simply infuriating.

The messages have nothing to do with science and health, its akin to a witch doctor or shaman constantly saying that the gods haven’t been appeased properly so more human sacrifices are needed.

365818 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #431 of 1934 🔗

I find the Classic FM ones somewhat lower key nowadays. Talk Radio though seems to have got worse with irritating bits of Hancock and Johnson put in their ‘This is Talk Radio’ announcements. Not seen any of these new videos they are going to do and I don’t want to.

365920 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to davews, 1, #432 of 1934 🔗

I won’t be surprised if Classic FM have reined them in due to listener complaints or even decreasing listeners.

366054 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #433 of 1934 🔗

It’s one reason I like being out in the car, as I have a mute button for the radio on the steering wheel, which works really quickly when those things start! Lol.

365736 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #434 of 1934 🔗

If one were to act as if one had it, one would be self-isolating, indefinitely. If everyone did this, it would not be long before people were dying in the millions and not much longer before virtual the whole population were dead. Do these people even listen to themselves?

365786 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, #435 of 1934 🔗

Common sense and logic don’t seem to be their strongest suit sadly.

365621 Mark, replying to Mark, 24, #436 of 1934 🔗

Stop Press: The wilful misunderstanding continued in the Times yesterday courtesy of this piece by Melanie Phillips .”

Those who fail to understand the point made by Lord Sumption about valuing human life fall broadly into three categories – those too stupid to understand the point, and the weak-minded or dishonest who are capable of grasping it but refuse to accept it either because they believe accepting it would make them a bad person, or fear it would make them appear to be a bad person. In other words, the stupid, the weak-minded or the dishonest

This is a classic case of “virtue signalling”, and as such it’s particularly disappointing when someone of the generally stronger minded political right, such as Phillips, is revealed to be such a person. Ordinarily (as a generalisation and not a universal truth), the practice of emphasising one’s sentimental “niceness” and attacking reasoned opposing positions for being “nasty” is a feature commonly found on the political left, who make a regular practice of smearing their rivals as uncaring haters.for holding different opinions to them.

Phillips has certainly been unmasked over the course of this coronavirus panic

365633 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Mark, 7, #437 of 1934 🔗

‘This is a classic case of “virtue signalling” ‘

That is an absolute certainty.

I also suspect, in her case, it might be because Lord Sumption is….. a male.


365659 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Mark, 10, #438 of 1934 🔗

Phillips has completely and utterly lost her mind over the Rona.

365626 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 27, #439 of 1934 🔗

How has this latest lockdown affected your friendships?

I could understand the concern in lockdown one because we didn’t know much about the virus, and had only seen the propaganda out of China.

In the second and third lockdowns, I’m seeing rule-following and mask wearing amongst friends which I find hard to accept. This is amongst people who I had assumed previously to be intelligent free-thinkers. Turns out they believe everything they are told on the telly and by Radio 4.

I’ve lost respect for these people.

What’s your experience?

365632 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to this is my username, 8, #440 of 1934 🔗

Most of my friends are following the rules as they believe that they are doing the right thing and helping to save people from Covid. I’m in a massive minority or that’s how it feels.

I’m lucky that I have two close friends who don’t believe what’s going on either which helps if I get fed up and down with the whole situation as I know they’re there to talk to.

It can be so disheartening though if the majority of people just believe what the government is doing is right. And they can’t/won’t see any other alternative.

365735 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Ambwozere, 5, #441 of 1934 🔗

Yes, friends of mine who had said they would help me on moving day said they didn’t want to because of the rules. I was so upset to be told that my friend wouldn’t allow his wife to come and help me. I had to point out that she could as we were in a bubble and that I needed their help on the day. They said they would, but then then he stood around for ages outside because my neighbour had come over to help. That’s allowed under the rules too, but we had to put up with that because otherwise there might be an argument. Moving day was a nightmare, but to give them their credit, they did help out right to the very end of the day.

365811 ▶▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to this is my username, 8, #442 of 1934 🔗

I think people are more frightened of breaking the rules now than the actual virus.

365634 ▶▶ TJN, replying to this is my username, 12, #443 of 1934 🔗

MRs TJN and I haven’t got many/any friends left. We – or at least I – haven’t directly fallen out with former acquaintances. It’s just that we’ve got very little in common with lockdown supporters, so we drift apart.

I agree with you comment about independent thought – it’s a quality I value very highly in people, so those who demonstrably lack it go off my radar.

365707 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to TJN, 3, #444 of 1934 🔗

Yes, drifting apart has been my experience. We have less in common than we did. I try to speak about how bad lockdown is, and they listen, but nothing changes.

365636 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to this is my username, 12, #445 of 1934 🔗

Similar. What has shocked me is how little people question things. Last year I asked a friend how many people in the UK had had covid. She said about a million. At that time it wasn’t even a million worldwide. Total ignorance and lack of curiosity.

365694 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #446 of 1934 🔗

Yes the lack of questioning is concerning. One friend is a retired businessman – yet he does not think of the future of the economy it seems.

365639 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to this is my username, 3, #447 of 1934 🔗

I’ve not seen a friend, someone I’d go for a drink with outside of immediate family, since August.

I keep in touch with one now who I share a healthy scepticism with.

365640 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to this is my username, 8, #448 of 1934 🔗

Unfortunately the “corona era” has meant closing the book on some friendships.

365642 ▶▶ Morse, replying to this is my username, 5, #449 of 1934 🔗

Thankfully I have always gravitated to free thinking intelligent logical minds so my close friends are on the whole sceptical or borderline sceptical, but probably not in my league, one or two are rule followers but not zealots, however my family are totally brainwashed and I am definitely finding that hard.

365656 ▶▶ alw, replying to this is my username, 6, #450 of 1934 🔗

I have not lost respect for these people. A couple of my long-standing friends and become totally traumatised by this nonsense. They will need me there when they realise they have been duped.

365684 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to alw, 1, #451 of 1934 🔗

alw I can understand that – when friends are really struggling with all this it’s very hard.

365673 ▶▶ Julian, replying to this is my username, 10, #452 of 1934 🔗

Very mixed

Some friends think like us so that’s easy – we have been drawn closer, and they ignore the rules as much as they can

Others know or suspect it’s all nonsense but follow the rules – those relationships are surviving but less warm than previously

Others are bought into the narrative and we’ve stopped contact, sometimes initiated by us, sometimes by them. No great loss

The same goes for extended family

365679 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Julian, 4, #453 of 1934 🔗

Yes Julian, I can agree that these friendships are less warm than before.

365715 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to this is my username, 2, #454 of 1934 🔗

We need a new lockdown rebels community
Spirit of 76

365939 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Crystal Decanter, #455 of 1934 🔗

We need our own rebel song, our new national anthem

365716 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to this is my username, #456 of 1934 🔗

propaganda out of China

Western corporate media propaganda about China.

365937 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, #457 of 1934 🔗

Both. Ffs.

366106 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JohnB, #458 of 1934 🔗

Really? Do you have a link to the propaganda out of China? I ask because I must have missed it.

366415 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #460 of 1934 🔗

That is western propaganda, not Chinese.

365738 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to this is my username, 8, #461 of 1934 🔗

Even in the family its caused rifts, most are fed up and bored with it now, and just think it will go away, so not interested in the latest madness and propaganda. Sometimes it seems as if it would be easier to be a sheep just complying for the sake of it, but when you know it b******** you can’t.

365844 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to this is my username, 5, #462 of 1934 🔗

My closest friend is a fellow sceptic and we’ve bonded even more over this.

At work – a few colleagues are sceptics like me and think the rules are bonkers but follow some of them because they’re caring for aged parents and the like. The rest are pro-lockdown and believe in the government propaganda 100% I was glad when many of the vocal lockdownistas took voluntary redundancy.

Family? Mr Bart is a sceptic as well. Not sure about my father-in-law but he’s sure fed up with the lockdown and restrictions.

As for my immediate family overseas,they’ve bought into this lockdown nonsense 100%. Most odd as they’re in business and yet they whine how 2020 has been really bad for their business. They never answer when I ask “so why do you think that is?”

I can see my family and friends pool shrinking even more when this is all over.

365948 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to this is my username, 4, #463 of 1934 🔗

I had a falling out with my only brother last night, who lives on a different continent. He totally buys into all this crap, and started talking about how his local hospitals are overflowing with dying youth. When I said, ‘it’s just a cold’ he hung up on me. I was very upset, as before this we had quite a good relationship; he also thinks [correctly] I am discouraging our 80-year-old mum from having the vaccine, which in his eyes is tantamount to murder; I think the opposite is the case. it angers me that this kind of division within families is yet another of the many evils ‘they’ have done. I have resolved just to never talk about it to him any more, which means that we can no longer talk about anything real, anything that actually matters. as for our mum, he will say what he thinks, I will say what I think, she will be exposed to all the msm propaganda, and then she will decide for herself.

365635 Hoppy Uniatz, 12, #464 of 1934 🔗

Dumbledore and Lord Sumption… separated at birth?!

“Why can’t I drink the potion instead?” asked Harry desperately.
“Because I am much older, much cleverer, and much less valuable,” said Dumbledore.

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood PrinceI

365646 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 19, #465 of 1934 🔗

I can’t understand this

  1. None of the vaccines have been have been shown to prevent transmission.
  2. Restrictions will only be lifted after 100% vaccination of the adult population according to Hancock.

If statement 1 is true , does statement 2 make any sense?

365652 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to mikewaite, 19, #466 of 1934 🔗

It makes sense only if you give up the idea that this is really about public health.

365663 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mikewaite, 2, #467 of 1934 🔗

It also makes sense (warped sense) when you take into account that vaccination is not the only criteria – it has been made clear that he thinks that is necessary, but not sufficient to lift restrictions.

365671 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to mikewaite, #468 of 1934 🔗

Watch the interview with Charlie Ward which James Delingpole has just put out.

365683 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mikewaite, 7, #469 of 1934 🔗

Nothing to do with health. all to do with health passports and eventually compulsory medical interventions by the state – you won’t have a say

365722 ▶▶▶ DThom, replying to Victoria, #470 of 1934 🔗

See above. Replied to the wrong post

365700 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to mikewaite, #471 of 1934 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/19/pfizer-vaccine-may-prevent-transmission-coronavirus-others-israeli/ (paywall) but contains “Pfizer vaccine recipients are unlikely to transmit the virus to others, according to the author of an Israeli study.”

366009 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to arfurmo, 1, #472 of 1934 🔗

Anyone with a low viral load infection is unlikely to transmit it.
That’s probably 95% of cases.
I believe Israel got ‘preferential’ access to the Pfizer jab in return for data collection.

366630 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #473 of 1934 🔗

“Unlikely” !!

365886 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to mikewaite, 7, #474 of 1934 🔗

It makes complete sense when you accept that absolutely everything that they have put out since last March is a pile of horseshit and you accept the fact that it was NEVER about ending the pandemic but to keep us in endless cycles of virus > new variant > new lockdown > new vaccine… etc etc etc until the new digital money system is in place and they can start distributing the microchips to the populace.

365932 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to mikewaite, #475 of 1934 🔗

nothing they say makes any sense, which is why it’s best to stop listening

365647 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 49, #476 of 1934 🔗

I suppose I’m lucky 95% of my family and friends are sceptics, the other 5% are no longer friends..I loathe that 5% and hold them responsible for the suicides, job losses, destruction of education,loss of society, and the tragedy unfolding before our eyes.. the brain dead fuckers can’t even be bothered to do simple research and find out the facts..no respect for collaborators..

365678 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #477 of 1934 🔗

I loathe that 5% and hold them responsible for the suicides, job losses, destruction of education,loss of society, and the tragedy unfolding before our eyes..

Totally agree

365719 ▶▶▶ DThom, replying to Victoria, 5, #478 of 1934 🔗

Agree
That’s why the health act was revised to allow you to be taken away on the basis of one signatory!

365648 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 17, #479 of 1934 🔗

Boris and Hancock, what they really mean: Vaccine take-up is lower than we thought and we cannot lift restrictions until we have made everyone’s life so miserable that they accept the jab.

365688 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bugle, 4, #480 of 1934 🔗

I’m not sure about the lower take up -half the stories in MSM are about why a 77 year old can’t get vaccinated and therefore will be dead within a fortnight.

365723 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to arfurmo, 3, #481 of 1934 🔗

Well, that is the MSM propaganda machine. I’m convinced vaccine take up is lower than expected both here and round the world. Obviously this, even if true, is unlikely to be widely reported.

365925 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bugle, 4, #482 of 1934 🔗

A further point is that HMG has used the compliant portion of the public to bully the non-compliant into both masking and non-socialising. If the vaccine refusers comprise a high enough proportion of the population, it presents the government with an intractable problem. If the number of refusers fall to a group small enough to be ‘managed’, they will be smeared and bullied into compliance, blamed for obstructing the return to normality and, if all else fails, turned into a pariah group who can be kept under restrictions or placed in permanent quarantine.

366178 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Bugle, 2, #483 of 1934 🔗

Exactly. I’m part of the intractable problem.

366338 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #484 of 1934 🔗

Welcome, friend.

366042 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to arfurmo, 3, #485 of 1934 🔗

I suspect part of the reason they can’t get vaccinated is that the NHS was supposed to give constant ‘diversity training’ to those that partake in administering the jabs, & each one required something like 15 minutes in which they were supposed to explain the potential side effects, another 15 minutes or so to make sure you don’t immediately fall over after getting it…..

365649 DThom, 15, #486 of 1934 🔗

So the dictator does not have a plan yet for ending this farce.
Could it be that his minder has not given him the next move yet?

365654 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 10, #487 of 1934 🔗

Noticed they are calling it a jab now, could the government be done under the trades description act for calling it a vaccine?

365666 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to DanClarke, 7, #488 of 1934 🔗

It’s gene therapy, not a vaccine.

365695 ▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to this is my username, 1, #489 of 1934 🔗

Don’t know if you’ve seen the CRISPR gene editign stuff? There was a documentary about it a year or two back I think on Netflix, I haven’t looked into it but remember saying to Mrs Sceptic that I’m sure it’s basically that.

366105 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Scouse Sceptic, #491 of 1934 🔗

I’ve seen some stuff about it and it’s very worrying.

365696 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to this is my username, 3, #492 of 1934 🔗

They should be clear, also that it is experimental.

365662 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to iansn, 6, #494 of 1934 🔗

Is that what ‘they’ call a ‘mini break’ now

365668 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to iansn, 10, #495 of 1934 🔗

Hmm, a day out in the park and then self isolation……

365733 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to stefarm, 3, #496 of 1934 🔗

Almost like he did it deliberately!

366032 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to stefarm, #497 of 1934 🔗

I think perhaps he is one of those ‘super spreaders’..
I recommend at least a 2 months of confinement to be on the safe side.
And that rugger ball needs to be hermetically sealed in an isolation cabinet, as we don’t want that being passed about.
In fact, Rugby should be played as a solo sport in future.

365699 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to iansn, 4, #498 of 1934 🔗

Why doesn’t he take a quick test? I am 100% cured of this circus.

365703 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to iansn, 6, #499 of 1934 🔗

He’s had it already, surely he’s immune?

365747 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #500 of 1934 🔗

He is. Experience and Science hasn’t changed on that irrespective of PR or a few new papers.

366024 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Fiona Walker, #501 of 1934 🔗

he is immune but according to the government, might be infectious!

365705 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to iansn, 11, #502 of 1934 🔗

Hancock has allegedly had Covid 19. If he had it, he is immune. So, it would appear that he is self-isolating in order to conform with the coronavirus rules that the government has put in place. Even Kafka could not have invented this.

365912 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #503 of 1934 🔗

Or he’s scared he’s about to be arrested?

365677 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 25, #504 of 1934 🔗

Saw a programme on WW2 and they mentioned that 130 people were killed in a branch of M&S by a V2 rocket. So even in the darkest depths of war with bombs falling the department stores were still open. Just saying.

365720 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Achilles, 14, #505 of 1934 🔗

A bus route I used in North London went past the location of a pub. The pub was no longer there – in 1940 it was hit by a single German aerial bomb and a few dozen people inside at the time were killed – there is a memorial plaque.
The reality is people in wartime went out, mixed, even though it was risky. It maintained morale to not be cooped up. Comparisons to wartime and Covid are generally false in my opinion – as much as possible wartime authorities tried to maintain morale, even if it meant lying to their people. Covid authorities try to destroy morale and again are not necessarily truthful to their people either.

366192 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Waldorf, 5, #506 of 1934 🔗

Exactly. Talking to my mum on the phone, and I said: ‘Well, you remember the war’

Her: ‘Yes, but it wasn’t this bad. Ok, when the planes came over, we had to go down in the shelter [which on the coast near Portsmouth was quite a bit], but the rest of the time we went on like normal.’

365929 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Achilles, 10, #507 of 1934 🔗

The government then believed that keeping everything open and people living normal lives as much as possible was the key to keep morale up.

Same was true with Sars in 2003, Asian governments pumped positive news about recoveries, that it wasn’t so bad for people who weren’t old and didn’t have underlying conditions, exhorted citizens to keep healthy and discouraged people from wearing masks.

Such common sense has gone out of the window.

366034 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Achilles, #508 of 1934 🔗

I follow a guy online from time to time named Patrick Bet-David – well worth checking out, has a couple of Youtube channels inc. ValueTainment. He is an entrepreneur based now in the US, came originally from Iran, & relates how children were still being schooled literally as the country was half being bombed to bits, the Shah was causing chaos, & there was blood in the streets!

365680 JASA, replying to JASA, 26, #509 of 1934 🔗

Good morning all. Me again, complaining yet again. Up until last March, I saw my GP once a month. That had been the way of things for 8 years, then everything stopped. I can’t have telephone appointments due to my severe hearing loss, autism etc., so I had nothing. After trying to change things via my MP (Toby Perkins – completely useless) and my mother (80 years old) calling the practice nicely, many times, we finally got somewhere when threatening legal action. I now have contact with my GP monthly via e-mail. Why was that not there in the first place?

Anyway, things were bad a year ago and I was waiting long term counselling amongst other things, but having various other treatments mean time. She is very aware of my suicidal thoughts. I contacted my GP last week to update her on things and included this..

(4) I am really struggling Dr W. These restrictions are barbaric. I need my counselling and to see people to talk to. The government are talking about reducing freedom to exercise and even social bubbles. If I don’t see my son or have the ability to exercise (including going into the Peaks sometimes – which I am reluctant to do now because of the overzealous Derbyshire Police), that’s it.

(5) I don’t understand why the medical profession aren’t pushing back on these restrictions. 99.7% of people survive this virus. What would we do if we had a real killer virus e.g. 20 to 30% of the population being killed directly from it? I am not scared of the virus myself, although I know it affects some people badly, but I am terrified of the restrictions, of the police, of not being allowed out or not being able to see my son or my parents, or confrontation from nosey busy bodies telling me to wear a mask (I have an exemption lanyard), of the isolation, getting more unwell and not being able to access you or another doctor. Things are bad. I need some regular face to face (mask free) contact to talk.

She is a nice person and has MS herself, but even being told by a patient that they are virtually at the end, she replied as follows….

Hello John.
I’m sorry to hear you are finding everything difficult at the moment, and hope the restrictions will not impact on your contact with your son and mum. I can understand your frustrations, and how the covid situation negatively impacts on you personally, but I do think the restrictions are needed in order to not overwhelm the NHS even more than it currently is.

Great. No help.

365702 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to JASA, 20, #510 of 1934 🔗

A genuine cry for help responded to with a pseudo-personalised word document template. And this is the institution what we’re supposedly trying to protect? It’s shameful.

365752 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JASA, 10, #511 of 1934 🔗

The NHS is the problem
Not the Bat cold

365758 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JASA, 9, #512 of 1934 🔗

I’m really sorry to hear you’re struggling like this JASA. Damn the lockdown maniacs to Hell.

365833 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #513 of 1934 🔗

Thank you. I’ve followed this site since the very beginning. It’s a life line, but this madness has to end very soon. Lots of people are on the edge now.

365798 ▶▶ davews, replying to JASA, 1, #514 of 1934 🔗

Looks as if she doesn’t even have enough time to write a proper reply.
I walked past our surgery this morning on my first exercise of the day. Since March the front gate has been locked and a notice, now just a weathered scrap of paper, instructing you to go to the back door and use the intercom. There were a total of 10 cars in the carpark this morning including presumably staff. I have fortunately not had a need to contact them during lockdown but I am due my annual review and blood tests in March, I rather suspect that won’t happen.

366017 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to davews, 7, #515 of 1934 🔗

i needed a blood test (following a phone consultation) , but rather than walking to the surgery and having a nurse take blood and send it off, i had to walk to the surgery, pick up the form, then call the hospital to get an appointment for the blood test, and then drive there, pay to park, and have the blood test at the hospital test centre (portakabins).
then a couple of weeks later , having heard nothing , i phone the surgery to ask if the test was back and they told me it had come back over a week ago, was clear , but they didnt see the need to tell me because it was clear .
The NHS is shite

365825 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JASA, 7, #516 of 1934 🔗

If there was a virus that was killing 20-30% of the population, none of the NHS staff would be at work. Suspect most of the police/army etc would also hide under their beds.

365854 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JASA, 4, #517 of 1934 🔗

The last bit seems to be a cut and paste job.

Does your GP not realise that because of these restrictions and the lockdown, the NHS will end up being overwhelmed by people with untreated illnesses, mental health issues, victims of domestic violence and those with substance abuse problems.

Shan’t have sympathy for them when they come to us crying because of what I’ve mentioned and beg for more money.

They’re stupid. They really are.

365903 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #518 of 1934 🔗

it’s preposterous that it’s even for one moment considered acceptable to throw people’s freedom, humanity, dignity and ultimately lives, at the altar of a resource-guzzling, clumsy and useless behemoth like the NHS.

365686 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #519 of 1934 🔗

The wretched propagandaLive local rag writes “Fury after cancer patient told their life is ‘less valuable’ in pandemic during BBC show”.

Clearly the –Live group not above lying to the public. Of course if they lie about emotive subjects like cancer then it shows they use manipulation of human caring to their own ends. Disgusting little bunch.

365692 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basics, 3, #520 of 1934 🔗

Yet silence on DNRs being put on people’s health records. Totally disingenuous.

365885 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Basics, 1, #521 of 1934 🔗

and yet it’s clear that all cancer patients are less valuable, whatever their ages or prognoses, than all covid patients, whatever their ages or underlying conditions

365698 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 5, #522 of 1934 🔗

https://sputniknews.com/world/202101191081809208-live-updates-us-surpasses-24-million-coronavirus-cases/
Hancock is self-isolating, according to Sputnik.
The Kabuki theatre goes on…

365711 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Waldorf, 5, #523 of 1934 🔗

Yes, also being reported on Sky – he is self-isolating and will be staying at home until Sunday. Why is he self isolating (he has had covid) and why till Sunday (he was out and about yesterday, and of course, spotted twice at the weekend in ‘crowded’ parks)?

365756 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #524 of 1934 🔗

Think appointed handler blair might be attempting to reframe hancock out of public view.

Hancock has looked burnt out for a month or more. This isolation thing is the new way they are doing holidays, hes been on the go since april. Nothing but a stunt.

365845 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 2, #525 of 1934 🔗

I think he’s one too. Oh, you said ‘stunt’ …

365770 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #526 of 1934 🔗

Precisely why. Handinpants will blame his rugger match on catching the ‘new variant’. PR. He will use it as his personal ‘example’ of why ‘rules’ must be followed. Just like Doris’ fake Covid last spring. All theatre. The fat pig had 2 nurses, who conveniently disappeared back overseas before the Fake news could question them and of course doctor confidentiality etc etc……

366052 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #527 of 1934 🔗

Covid app pinged as he was within an unclean for 5 seconds

365771 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Waldorf, 3, #528 of 1934 🔗

I hope footpenis dies
Come on Corona chan – you can do it

365834 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Crystal Decanter, #529 of 1934 🔗

yeh, sometimes you’re actually sorry it’s not a real disease

365847 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #530 of 1934 🔗

He allegedly had it back at the start when the PM had it.

365704 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 48, #531 of 1934 🔗

Clicking on a link provided above I get this headline over an article by Ms. Melanie Phillips

Who is Lord Sumption to decide the worth of a life?

It is one thing to oppose the terms of lockdown, quite another to declare some lives more valuable than others

This is stupid.

Let’s turn the argument on it’s head a bit. I’m 74 in two days time. Do I think all school kids should be shut out of school to give me a bit more assurance I’ll get to my 75th?

No,

I’ve had my whack and a very good whack it’s been. And if the government wasn’t doing what it is doing my happy whacking would still very much be in progress.

365709 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #532 of 1934 🔗

Logic has been thrown out the window in place of emotion

365714 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #533 of 1934 🔗

Its all a smokescreen, all about money, investment, research grants, control, sustainable planet, a nation of poor and rich, no middle ground.

365724 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #534 of 1934 🔗

She has been holed up in Jerusalem for too long. She has lost all ability for rational thought.

365778 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #535 of 1934 🔗

Sadly Melanie it isn’t Lord Sumption’s concept. NICE and the government already do this.

366096 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to mhcp, #536 of 1934 🔗

Of course they do. But Sumption, despite his intellectual brilliance, is not street-smart; and he has now been holed beneath the waterline.

365814 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #537 of 1934 🔗

come on, that whole line of argument is a red-herring, the purpose of which is to smear and shut down a powerful dissident voice. nobody believes they really give a shit about getting you to your 75th birthday, or about keeping the old and terminally ill alive as long as possible – this is in fact the polar opposite of what they want

366039 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #538 of 1934 🔗

It’s stupid in 2 ways:

  1. He’s not deciding the worth of a life
  2. People have been making value judgements since humans walked the earth
365726 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #540 of 1934 🔗

Hiding away from his adoring public.

365803 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #541 of 1934 🔗

I have just realised, he is the male version of the Greta Thunberg clone – the same gormless, lashless-eyes, the same silicon looking grey skin, the same dead expression.

365710 Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #542 of 1934 🔗

Do you know the Scientific History of Lockdowns? A Must Watch – CRUCIAL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=978zLJJLo-I&list=WL&index=78

Ivor Cummins

THANKS to KATE WAND FOR THIS SUPERB MINI-DOCUMENTARY on LOCKDOWN SCIENCE!
This film is based on a letter by an international team of professionals, researchers and activists, calling for an expedited investigation into scientific fraud in public health policies.
Full letter here: https://ccpgloballockdownfraud.medium

365712 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 14, #543 of 1934 🔗

Far pleasanter shop this morning before work at the local market. It is a much reduced affair on a Tuesday these days but still was able to make good purchases at the fruit and veg stall, a stall selling dozens of varieties of only English cheeses, an Italian deli stall and a bakery stall. The first three were great, chatting and smiling and less than 3 ft away and fine prices. The latter the guy was friendly but masked and it was a bit overpriced for the somewhat basic fare. There’s a farmers’ market once a month so that might offer more choice bread-wise (I love my artisanal breads.) Far more real experience than the supermarkets especially now they are part of the NHS.

365840 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #544 of 1934 🔗

Our farmers’ market is great too. Though I don’t buy from mask wearers, and tell them why too. Some will whip off their masks pretty quickly … 🙂

365717 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #545 of 1934 🔗

Torygraph – behind a wall, but the behavioural sciences Dept of SAGE, including the Marxist Michie woman don’t want to let go of the sheep. Time to sack the lot and let MI5 sort them out. I wish.

Getting Covid jab could prompt public to abandon rules, say scientists
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/18/getting-covid-jab-could-prompt-public-abandon-rules-say-scientists/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_iosshare_AwkldK95rZXd

365729 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #546 of 1934 🔗

pssst. press f5 (refresh button) simultaneously repetitively pressing escape button, wall falls down.

365789 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Anti_socialist, #547 of 1934 🔗

Can’t find F5 on my iPhone! 🤣

365804 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #548 of 1934 🔗

You can also disable javascript for just that site on your phone. Should work.

365821 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to James Leary #KBF, #549 of 1934 🔗

There will be a combination press to achieve F5 – prehaps press on/off button with volume up then down pressed down with a finger on the screen while facing to the East may do it. Google it for your device.

365801 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, #550 of 1934 🔗

great tip, thanks!

366000 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Anti_socialist, #551 of 1934 🔗

or just go to browser settings and javascript option and disable javascript for telegraph.co.uk – but you then dont get comments displayed on the site

365832 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #552 of 1934 🔗

Time to sack the lot and let MI5 sort them out. I wish.

You don’t reckon MI5 have been running most of SAGE for quite a while ?

366089 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JohnB, #553 of 1934 🔗

Inconceivable.

365727 Proudtobeapeasant, 4, #554 of 1934 🔗

“Mr Chalke meanwhile said many teachers are very worried about catching Covid in school and that they will feel ‘safer’ and ‘more confident’ when the weather warms up and they can take children out of the classroom more.”

Steve Chalke was someone whose opinion I might have respected, until I heard he was now in favour of same-sex marriage.

365731 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 16, #555 of 1934 🔗

It’s the long weekend coming up for Australia Day (like I want to celebrate that shit). I can’t hop on a plane and casually go anywhere.
People are okay with borders being closed so that we can explore Australia and our state. I’ve lived here for nearly 35 years, I’ve seen enough. And borders are closed to some Australian states and f quarantining in this f’ing country. It’s exhausting going out with the f’ing QR code’s everywhere and the f’ing masks. And f’ing booking to do anything like art galleries.

365743 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Caramel, 6, #556 of 1934 🔗

The Few have certainly **** on the many

365744 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 10, #557 of 1934 🔗

Where is the opposition ?
I remember years 1994/1997 this country was desperate for change from the stagnation and corruption of the John Major tories. We had the option then of a fresh faced popular politician that appealed to the centre ground by the name of Tony Blair ! (yes, history will judge him on Iraq but in `97 he did represent something new and optimistic).he did, at that time. actually represent a new path.

After just now having a discussion with a colleague we agreed that right now “labour would be worse” than the present bunch of incompetents (full on communism probably) – but really there is no opposition and there is nothing to vote for if the election was tomorrow.

If anything, “Kneely” Starmer and his cronies would probs be happier taking a junior seat in some National Government set up with all future elections cancelled.

365749 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to nickbowes, 10, #558 of 1934 🔗

All roads to ruin lead to Blair, still do

365757 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to nickbowes, 7, #559 of 1934 🔗

Blair seemed to come out of nowhere and even at the time I suspected he was a deep state protégé.

365824 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Waldorf, 6, #560 of 1934 🔗

Only suspected, Waldorf ? 🙂

John Smith always springs to mind when I consider Blair’s rise …

365858 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to JohnB, 6, #561 of 1934 🔗

Smith’s death, supposedly a heart attack, cleared the way. I do hope it was natural causes.

366083 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Waldorf, 3, #562 of 1934 🔗

Yes- I hope Robin Cook’s death was due to natural causes as well; and I hope that David Kelly committed suicide. And I hope that Willie McRae died as a result of a car crash.

365914 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JohnB, 5, #563 of 1934 🔗

I always thing of cottaging and rent boys when it comes to Miranda Blair

365763 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 11, #564 of 1934 🔗

There are only 2 authorised parties now
The Neo Liberal Woke Party of Davos (blue team)
The Neo Liberal Uber Woke Party of Davos (red team)

365873 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to nickbowes, 3, #565 of 1934 🔗

Mention of John Major reminds me – years after he had left office, in the Blair era, I was in an Edinburgh branch of the bookshop Waterstones when of all people John Major came in to have a browse of the shelves. He had a small security team of presumably plainclothes police. Although not as detested as Thatcher before him or Blair after him, it is clear he still merited security, years after being PM.

365933 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Waldorf, 4, #566 of 1934 🔗

Amazing that that man was actually PM for all those years. Best remembered for the Edwina affair and his utterly useless band of fools like Hamilton and Aitken

365753 Paul44310, 3, #567 of 1934 🔗

I am concerned about the misleading and fear mongering radio adverts currently being put out.
They claim that joggers/shoppers etc are highly likely to have Covid 19. At a time when the predicted number of Covid infections in the UK is, according to the Zoe Covid Symptom study around 747205 this is an exaggeration in the extreme. Even given that there may be a third of people who are asymptomatic, this would only equate to about 1,120807. Out of a population of around 66m this amounts to 1.7%. Now 1.7% of people having an infection hardly implies that someone seen jogging in the street is highly likely to have disease.
There is also a claim that one in three people have Covid 19 without knowing it and could be passing it on unknowingly. Now the one in three applies to the number with Covid infections, i.e.. Less than 2% of the population. However, it is put across in such away as to imply that one in three people in general may be unknowingly spreading the virus.
The use of such inaccurate and misleading data would not be allowed in other advertisements and they should be withdrawn.

365774 FlynnQuill, replying to FlynnQuill, 28, #568 of 1934 🔗

My wife who is a Pharmacist for the NHS had to do a COVID test yesterday, using the Lateral Flow Test not the PCR. The LFT can be done in person in under ten minutes and is supposed to be more accurate than the PCR (wouldn’t be hard). Anyway, she sent me the documentation (see attached) that comes with it. Read it, you won’t believe your eyes. Basically it states, if you get a negative result, it doesn’t necessarily mean you are not infected with SARS-COVID-2! If, however you get a positive result it, does not mean you are infected as the test can pick up other viral infections which may give a positive result!! So, what the hell is the use of it then. You couldn’t make it up.

365781 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to FlynnQuill, 6, #569 of 1934 🔗

I bet if she did it 2x and they were sent to 2 different labs, there would be 2 different results….so basically: heads you are sick and going to die and tails, you are probably sick and will die you just don’t know it yet so you will need that Vaxx….’Science’

365808 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to FerdIII, 2, #570 of 1934 🔗

The LFT is done by you, it’s a bit like a pregnancy test, no need to send to a lab. The NHS have introduced it to replace the PCR as they have so many staff off with covid due to the PCR giving out so many false positives.

365797 ▶▶ merlin, replying to FlynnQuill, 10, #571 of 1934 🔗

It also states that test should be used within 5 days of onset of symptoms. So testing asymptomatics is basically a sick joke.

365836 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to FlynnQuill, 4, #572 of 1934 🔗

I had a client once years ago who was told he didn’t have coeliac, and had been tested. He brought his test results to me (he had the symptoms of coeliac, and improved when wheat was removed from his diet). On the results sheet it stated that this test cannot rule out the presence of coeliac disease. These tests are so pointless that they should only test people with symptoms, and not asymptomatic people.

365871 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #573 of 1934 🔗

Make sure you keep this as evidence… don’t throw this away!

365918 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Pebbles, #574 of 1934 🔗

I have the original, plus the photo.

365881 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #575 of 1934 🔗

So, what’s the bloody point?

365910 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #576 of 1934 🔗

So just keep testing until you get a negative
Then bounce onto that plane

365775 Basics, replying to Basics, 13, #577 of 1934 🔗

A friend has had ‘it’.

Side effects are triggered by asking which one did you have? Curt reply of “what does it matter?” tells me full informed consent was not given. The laden words “I am fine” soon followed. Sore arm, anger, lack of patience and tendency to storm off all visible. Slight regression towards teenage years mentally.

These are the side effects at +24hrs.. Hopefully, nothing worse occurs.

It is clear they are throwing into arms without giving full disclosure.

365880 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Basics, 3, #578 of 1934 🔗

If (s)he goes full Linda Blair
document it
Gab groups

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054

365779 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #579 of 1934 🔗

The debate over numbers seems to have departed this earth for Fuller’s.

Failing to establish the Apocalypse in any frame of reference that equates to numeracy, we now have a succession of stories that use numbers in a magical way to invoke the disaster.

Today’s edition is replete with the reporting of such wild mental gymnastic exercises, and I even had a member of my family questioning whether the all-cause mortality figures that I have been quoting and updating since April might require some adjustment in order to fit this latest narrative of ‘the worst event since WWII. My report of the chat I’d had with Occam about real data interpretation cut no ice.

Even where the basic message is correct, we have this :

This week’s Monthly Mortality Analysis from the ONS also makes this point very well. The report states: “Although mortality rates due to COVID-19 have increased between October and December 2020, these remain significantly lower than in April 2020.”

where even the ONS seems to have fallen into the trap of believing that we actually know ‘mortality rates due to Covid’ – rather than ‘mortality rates artificially linked to Covid by PCR’.

The supposed data is certainly being shaped to the narrative rather than vice-versa.

Failing the reality test, there is massive effort directed towards making 2020 ‘unprecedented’ in terms of mortality – which it isn’t, and never can be for anyone with basic numeracy skills.

365928 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 2, #580 of 1934 🔗

Can’t be repeated enough Rick. The noise from PCR is having a shambolic impact on analysis

365780 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 15, #581 of 1934 🔗

I am so bored of the preface, ‘I’m not a covid denier, but….’ or ‘I know this disease is real/dangerous/people die from it…’ -why aren’t you a covid-denier? Why should you concede that there is ANY truth in ANYTHING they say, or even hint that there’s something bit loony, a bit ‘out there’ in not trusting them, in not buying into the whole deranged cult?

365788 ▶▶ jb12, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #582 of 1934 🔗

Because the sheeple don’t think in terms of evidence but in terms of what the rest of the herd say is true. If you don’t preface it with that, they will not listen. This is a middle-class epidemic supported by a low IQ populace.

365795 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #583 of 1934 🔗

Some don’t believe covid exists. I do believe it exists, but either way the evidence that the reaction to it has been disproportionate is overwhelming so I feel it’s better to focus on that

But I agree we should not start on the back foot – the reaction has been contrary to all accepted pandemic response guidelines as per WHO and everywhere else

It is the lockdown and mask zealots who must justify their untried, experimental, unorthodox interventions and provide evidence they work or are worth trying and that covid is exception

365829 ▶▶ Mark, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #584 of 1934 🔗

As I’ve explained here before, this is how smear terms work. Once the smear has been established (anti-vax, covid denier, racist, climate denier, antisemite, homophobe, sexist etc) you either effectively allow the smear to be made against you or waste lots of time and energy defending against it, putting you on the back foot and still leaving the impression you might be covering up.

It’s nothing new and has been used very effectively on all kinds of political issues probably since politics began. Though the most effective and regular uses in recent decades have been on the various identity lobby pc issues.

365864 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Mark, 5, #585 of 1934 🔗

When you get insults just shrug and say ‘I know you don’t agree with me but don’t you think this is all just a bit weird?’ It has made a couple of lockdown zealots pause and then they’re on the back foot.

365907 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jos, 3, #586 of 1934 🔗

I don’t personally have a problem dealing with these kinds of smears – as a conservative I’ve been smeared all my life, as everything from racist, homophobe and sexist to Saddam dupe and Assad agent.

But the simple fact is that these smear techniques are used precisely because they are effective, regardless of the response. The most you can do is mitigate the impact.

365850 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #587 of 1934 🔗

Thumbs up – “ okay then
No point arguing with a smear

365921 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to JaneHarry, 8, #588 of 1934 🔗

The problem with the “denier” term is it is it insidiously and subconsciously associates people with “holocaust deniers”. Pretty much everyone accepts the holocaust as a true and utterly evil event and only the most swivel-eyed deny it’s existence. Using this specific terminology is a subtle attempt to try and morally and rationally stain sceptics by association. The irony is that if anyone is denying a holocaust it is the zealots and policy-makers through their wilful disregard of the physical and mental devastation being caused by lockdown.

366014 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Achilles, 2, #589 of 1934 🔗

Good points. Interesting that we now see so many attempts to deny thousands of years of evolution in the human body & defence against illness & disease – immune system deniers?! 🙂

365791 rose, replying to rose, 6, #590 of 1934 🔗

A question on you gov poll Could you afford to pay £800 for something if asked? I can’t remember exact words.
I just wondered if this means we are getting nearer to the time where they close all the banks and nick our money?

365820 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to rose, 6, #591 of 1934 🔗

Mr Nadhim Zahawi?
His Wiki entry states: ” Clients of Zahawi include the research and consulting firm YouGov plc, of which he was founder and continues to be a registered shareholder.”
How convenient.

365895 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Banjones, 2, #592 of 1934 🔗

The very one!

365799 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 38, #593 of 1934 🔗

I’ve just received a phone call from my local NHS hospital to let me know they cannot do any eye surgery yet but will let me know as soon as restrictions have been lifted. Blah blah. I responded with I’ve already had the surgery elsewhere as I was going blind and my optician referred me another eye clinic who carried out the operation very quickly and efficiently. She was sounded miffed no one had told them, which is a damned cheek as they haven’t been interested in my health for 10 months.!

365807 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #594 of 1934 🔗

Excellent. Stuff the NHS, we are entirely expendable in their eyes.

365819 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #595 of 1934 🔗

Should have told them it was a side effect of the Rona
It’s the only way you will get seen

365835 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #596 of 1934 🔗

So are these specialist doctors and nurses who’d otherwise be busy all day long treating their usual ‘customers’, now sitting on their backsides at home?
(I daresay the surgeons can carry on privately.)

365891 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Banjones, 7, #597 of 1934 🔗

I don’t know why our local private hospital wasnt doing any surgeries other than they were being paid not to, which leads me to believe in my theory that the government is deliberately harming us by denying us health care. Saying that I don’t know why this Eye clinic were open for business. It’s a bit of a mystery actually.

365846 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #598 of 1934 🔗

Cannot resist asking was your treatment at Barnard Castle, the Harley Street of eye care?

365877 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Paulus, 6, #599 of 1934 🔗

LOL. I had the op just before Christmas, at another NHS eye clinic about 10 miles away, which just proves you should not take no for an answer, particularly when dealing with the NHS. In fact I was so desperate I would have paid for private treatment but even the local private hospital wasn’t performing any surgeries either!! I was so grateful that my optician was able to find an alternative source.

365802 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 40, #600 of 1934 🔗

The shrieking mobs continue to bleat “how dare you imply that somebody’s life is less valuable because they suffer from cancer!!”

Meanwhile, they lend their full-throated support to lockdown policies which have caused the cancellation of millions of cancer scans and disrupted countless treatment programmes, creating an avalanche of preventable cancer deaths which will rob children of their mothers and fathers for years to come.

Anybody spot the irony?

365809 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Scotty87, 18, #601 of 1934 🔗

The righteous don’t do irony; they’re too busy shrieking, cancelling and no platforming, as they sail on in the ship of fools.

365952 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 4, #602 of 1934 🔗

Unfortunately the lockdownistas or zombies as Annie calls them don’t see the irony because they don’t do irony and are totally blinded by the righteousness of what they believe in.

365972 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Scotty87, 2, #603 of 1934 🔗

UK Column had a revealing delve into virtue signalling (77th?) MSM comments yesterday in which all the “editors pick” comments accuse sceptics of precisely what they themselves have been guilty of. Astounding hippocracy.

365984 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Scotty87, 2, #604 of 1934 🔗

It’s is a fairly obvious attempt at painting those who question lockdowns as uncaring.

365806 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 5, #605 of 1934 🔗

https://www.rt.com/news/512914-india-deaths-covid-vaccine/

More trouble ahead.

India, Israel, Norway, US; who’s next?

365963 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to wendyk, 4, #606 of 1934 🔗

Have we considered the possibility that they never wanted a working, safe vaccine? The vaccine-carrot on the stick has enabled them to achieve their goals of terrorising the public for nearly a year and crushing small business and the economy. If the vaccines have to be stopped either due to safety or efficacy, then they can start the whole cycle again and terrorise for a second year.

365812 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 14, #607 of 1934 🔗

And STILL Hancock’s banging on about bl**dy ”cases”! To the Great Unwashed this will STILL mean bodies in the streets and that everyone who ”gets it” will die! There is so much out there about the PCR scandal – doesn’t any of this get through?
(Can’t expect anything else from the unqualified and arrogant MH, specially chosen, I now believe, for his complete ignorance in matters scientific or medical so that he can spout this tripe with a straight face.)

365843 ▶▶ jos, replying to Banjones, 5, #608 of 1934 🔗

Actually not a straight face very often

365815 GCarty80, replying to GCarty80, -21, #609 of 1934 🔗

My view is the second Covid wave is deadlier than the first, but excess deaths are much lower because we are now in flu season, and the lockdown (and tier restrictions before it) have pretty much completely squashed flu (which has a lower R0 than Covid).

Perhaps a lot of the people dying of Covid now are people who would have died of flu if Covid hadn’t existed (and given rise to tiers and lockdowns)?

365826 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to GCarty80, 12, #610 of 1934 🔗

What makes you say it is deadlier?

365987 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #611 of 1934 🔗

Ergo – many more people died in the autumn-winter period than average.

Errr … they didn’t

365828 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to GCarty80, 3, #612 of 1934 🔗

”With” Covid. I understand that to find someone who died ”of” Covid is difficult. Even ”of” flu is rare if someone is otherwise healthy.

365830 ▶▶ merlin, replying to GCarty80, 14, #613 of 1934 🔗

Go back to the guardian comments section. Comment is free of evidence over there.

365838 ▶▶ Julian, replying to GCarty80, 9, #614 of 1934 🔗

You need to look at all-cause mortality, adjusted for population (so deaths per million) for same period in previous years, going back X years – the more years you go back the more perspective you get

If you scroll down/up on today’s comments page you’ll see those figures and see that we’ve gone back to 2008/9 mortality levels this year – hardly exceptional, and most of the “damage” was this summer – all cause mortality at present is not significantly above recent averages

The attributing of deaths to covid appears to be done deliberately to misrepresent the impact

365861 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 9, #615 of 1934 🔗

Precisely, Julian. The way in which the ‘bleedin’ obvious’ is being distorted is something we can well do without here.

  1. April saw a brief rise of mortality to maximum (27-year period) seasonal levels.
  2. The rate then declined.
  3. From July to December, mortality was either below or well within the median range for the period, despite Vallance’s absurdly inaccurate predictive models.
  4. We will have to wait to see the January pattern – but nothing, in reality, suggests anything unusual happening, despite constant hysteria. My money is on a rise to about 16000 deaths per week, followed by a falling rate – again within normal limits.
365841 ▶▶ RickH, replying to GCarty80, 13, #616 of 1934 🔗

Sorry – but I’m sick of ‘views’ on basic numbers. We just need data.

There is no ‘second wave’ – just a rise in mortality congruent with that in most years, with the contribution of Covid an unknown, because there is no reliable data.

A pair of eyes is all that is needed to see that this pattern is very different from the March-April 2020 upsurge, which has all the marks of a viral outbreak and following decline.

365942 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to RickH, 5, #617 of 1934 🔗

The March/April upsurge probably wouldn’t have happened had they not caused the deaths. No one noticed covid until they started making a fuss over it.

365887 ▶▶ leggy, replying to GCarty80, 5, #618 of 1934 🔗

My view is there isn’t really a second wave, the virus is no deadlier, we’re seeing
pretty typical levels of seasonal respiratory illness, numbers perhaps exacerbated by the effects of the restrictions on health.

365916 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to GCarty80, 7, #619 of 1934 🔗

Where is this second wave? If you are not here to actually discuss things then maybe read the daily update above where it explains this to you.

This is a normal winter.

365968 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to GCarty80, #620 of 1934 🔗

The hospital numbers here have been dropping since late October. There has been one day with four deaths reported and most days none at all. The Health Trust only gives out figures once a week as they don’t fit in with the current narrative. We’re surrounded by cities/metropolitan areas.

366060 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to GCarty80, 1, #621 of 1934 🔗

Perhaps the people “dying of Covid” are actually dying of flu and are miscategorised.

365852 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 13, #622 of 1934 🔗

Can’t believe Sainsbury’s and some coppers are still so clueless about the law regarding mask exemptions.
Both had to issue an apology already a month ago.
https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/apology-issued-over-misunderstanding-face-mask-exemption-sandwell-store#
I hope this lady makes them pay big time for it and keeps us in the loop.
It would have been interesting to see and know, whether just showing them an exemption card would have changed the situation- idiotic, of course.

365901 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to JayBee, 3, #623 of 1934 🔗

I wonder if they are really that clueless or if they are just trying it on to try and intimidate people.

365919 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Chicot, 4, #624 of 1934 🔗

A combination of clueless and imposing their own judgement i.e. pitchforks.

365957 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JayBee, 3, #625 of 1934 🔗

I believe that this was the incident where a man with PTSD and anxiety was harassed and bullied by the police. Happened around October-November time.

An apology isn’t good enough. Both West Midlands Police and Sainsbury’s should be made to pay big time for what they’ve done.

Make them realise the hard way that bigotry and “we was only following orders” does not pay.

365853 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 32, #626 of 1934 🔗

Woman ‘ejected from Sainsbury’s by police for refusing to wear a face mask ‘”

As a counterpoint to this ‘confrontation’. I posted a couple of weeks ago about my discussion with my local Sainsburys manager. He couldn’t have been nicer and assured me that I was welcome in his store at any time without a mask. He was a genuine, decent person trying to do a difficult job in trying circumstances.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/12/latest-news-252/#comment-352605

This is the second time I’ve read about police coming the heavy hand with masked shoppers. I’m beginning to smell a rat! We never see the ‘victims’ face. We never see any member of staff present (senior staff know damn well they are breaking the law by discriminating against mask less people). We never see or hear about any follow up. They just peter out as the person leaves the store.

I’ve said before that I’ve never seen a policeman in my town for over a year. How do these police officers suddenly materialise on camera? Who calls them? Why are they so happy to give their numbers? Why are they content to let themselves be filmed? They do look threatening (complete with tattoos and all) but perhaps that’s the point of the exercise.

If and when I read about real people with real names and real follow ups concerning this illegal behaviour I’m tempted put it down to stage acting and ‘Fake news’.

365863 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #627 of 1934 🔗

It is as if a false reality is being woven around us.

365870 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Harry hopkins, 15, #628 of 1934 🔗

With so many outright lies being told both by the government and the media, I would not be surprised if these incidents were staged.

366061 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #629 of 1934 🔗

I strongly suspect the recent incident in Derbyshire with the two young women was staged.

365884 ▶▶ danny, replying to Harry hopkins, 26, #630 of 1934 🔗

I like the way on the video when the woman talks of the law, they counter by saying that Sainsbury’s told them to do it. Since when did the cops start taking orders from the bloke that sells fruit and veg as opposed to the law of the land.

365892 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to danny, 2, #631 of 1934 🔗

Nice one danny!

365855 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 15, #632 of 1934 🔗

Wancock has apparently gone into self-isolation becuase the COVID app told him to based on a “close contact”. Probably triggered by his visit to the park at the weekend if the latest fear porn advert are to be believed.

Fucking well serves him right for sniffing his own shit for too long.

Having said that I didn’t think that there was any legal compulsion to self-isolate just because the app said so. Makes me think that it’s part of a wider psyop/propaganda piece.

365866 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #633 of 1934 🔗

I thought he had had the ‘vaccine’?

365876 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #634 of 1934 🔗

What difference would that make? They have been clear that even after both jabs, people still have to distance, mask, and self-isolate if ‘exposed’.

365890 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #635 of 1934 🔗

It shows that their is no value in the vaccine and completely undermines the narrative.

And for people who don’t understand what’s going on it will raise questions.

365908 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #636 of 1934 🔗

But this is not new information. The media will not ask questions and most people are too lazy to think about the implications of what they are seeing. It should undermine the narrative, but it hasn’t. People just hear the bits they want to hear.

365938 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #637 of 1934 🔗

I agree in principle but there are a lot more people awake now then there were in March. That is the direction of travel.

So an obvious red flag like this can only help imo. It may not change things in the short term but it may make the implementation of vaccine passports etc. harder to sell in the longer term.

365879 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #638 of 1934 🔗

He’s had the ‘rona – definitely.

365906 ▶▶ alw, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #639 of 1934 🔗

Take a look at the comments in the Torygraph. Great entertainment for a wet damp morning.

365943 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to alw, 4, #640 of 1934 🔗

Glad to see the comments are majority sceptic.

365857 court, replying to court, 7, #641 of 1934 🔗

Apparently the school is getting grief from the LA about the amount of kids in school so from next Friday they will start deeming who is most worthy of a place on a weekly basis. I’m sure its just the usual scaremongering hoping people withdraw their children voluntarily.

I felt pretty secure with my ‘key worker’ status, but now not so sure. I’m getting my company to come up with a better letter with more ‘frontline’ support words than the one from last March but I want to send it with a covering letter from me to concentrate their minds.

I’m pretty good at making a nuisance of myself with letters to the right people but does anyone have any tips of dealing with schools and governors? My eldest daughter only started in reception this year so I’m a bit new at it.

Thanks in advance!

365875 ▶▶ danny, replying to court, 4, #642 of 1934 🔗

Not that the law seems to count these days, but for what it’s worth, the government states that if one parent is a key worker, the child can attend school. No talk of priority lists, both parents needing to qualify, full time versus part time distinctions.
If the school refuses to accept your child, report them to Ofstef and the LEA.

365883 ▶▶ RickH, replying to court, 4, #643 of 1934 🔗

There’s no particular rules about dealing with schools and governors – the same rules apply as with every group – just ranting is a sure way to be ignored.

The problem we all face is that the individuals involved have, like the rest of the population, been thoroughly brainwashed into believing that we are in ‘unprecedented’ times, and they won’t want to break ranks with that authoritarian consensus.

That said, the degree of belief varies. The Head and Chair are vital to how restrictions are implemented. Write from a perspective that understands the pressures on them.

As to the LA – it is a nominal body. The body of education professionals that once were the ‘LEA’ have gone – some time ago, and the local authority carries out minimal duties.

365859 Basics, 4, #644 of 1934 🔗

Titanic.

Women and children first. That was a value decision. It isn’t quite the same of course, but it is illustrative.

By morgans old major tom thought experiment tom wold have been lost at 92 on the decks of the Titanic. His multi-million pound charity walking happened at 94. The men on the Titanic would have ‘robbed’ the world of Tom’s future walking spree.

365865 Cecil B, 2, #645 of 1934 🔗

Is Mandy sat on the bog doing this one?

https://youtu.be/_YYwzRKk3g0

365869 chaos, replying to chaos, 15, #646 of 1934 🔗

Health Secretary Matt Hancock led yesterday’s Covid press conference from Downing Street and struck a non-committal note regarding any timetable for exit from restrictions.

There are many levels to the deceit.. most, including most journalists are not in the know.. they really believe freedom is coming. But vaccination is merely buying time. Idiot Boris and his team have signed up for the Great Reset. And even Boris et al have likely been decieved about what that will entail for most people. It will not be the Jetsons. Though of course it will be great for them…

365888 ▶▶ Basics, replying to chaos, 17, #647 of 1934 🔗

Journalism is dead. A full scale revolution from morals to financing is needed to restore anything like a free press. The entire industry is corrupted beyond repair. Trust has vaporized from words leaving nothing but shell outlines as fragile as dust.

365905 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Basics, 6, #648 of 1934 🔗

I suspect some favoured journalists get private briefings or tip-offs, which may or may not be off the record. Whether the information they get is true or not is another matter.

365936 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Waldorf, 4, #649 of 1934 🔗

Like Pesto. He makes much of his ‘sources’, but presumably has to invest in the official narrative to get his information.

365958 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bugle, 5, #650 of 1934 🔗

Is he part of the state? Certainly mi5 would like people in news rooms they can rely on. Those people would need weight to be able to spin the required line, be an irreplaceable famous face and also be independent from a wider team to effectively get the job done.

Richard D Hall in the past has looked in detail at a SkyNews reporter who’s proven activities look very suspicious in relation to state control of an international story.

366059 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Basics, 3, #651 of 1934 🔗

Mark Urban- it’s entirely appropriate to ask whether he uses his sources among the securocrats or whether they use him.

366368 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #652 of 1934 🔗

Mark Urban is a tool.

366366 ▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Bugle, 2, #653 of 1934 🔗

the only investment he makes is in brown envelopes for info. Twat he is. He went apeshit when they shut London down when he had booked all his parties for his friends and informers.

365872 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 5, #654 of 1934 🔗

Gain of function research started in 2012 in projects originated by researchers from the US, UK, Japan and the Netherlands. By 2014 there was widespread disussion calling for a halt to such research until the implicatins for world wide pandemics could be assessed. Even if GOFR were banned, I expect the research would continue in non-public research facilities, along with work on genetic control/selection in humans.

365898 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ken Garoo, 11, #655 of 1934 🔗

I reckon you’re right.

The one thing that strikes me (actuality apart) is that if governments were told at the beginning of 2020 that intelligence indicated a leak from a laboratory, that would explain a lot of the co-ordinated hysteria.

365911 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to RickH, 7, #656 of 1934 🔗

That did occur to me as well – and maybe they know more about the long term consequences than they are letting on.

Whatever the reason, normal life is screwed permanently, as far as I can see – or at least until some sort of societal collapse takes place.

366007 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to RickH, 5, #657 of 1934 🔗

I’m slowly coming around to the lab leak theory. Once you accept that possibility, it’s impossible not to see the genesis of the hysteria.

366094 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #658 of 1934 🔗

The Russian and Chinese governments did consider a deliberate release, but discounted it. They did however start building dedicated isolation hospitals ‘just in case’.

The Chinese are used to a lot worse. Around the time what was to be known as SARS-CoV-19 appeared, they had to deal with multiple pneumonic plague outbreaks originating from Mongolia. Do not rely of 2 metres spacing and face coverings to protect against that sob.

366147 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to PoshPanic, #659 of 1934 🔗

This is what I have thought right from the start. It’s the best explanation for the unbelievable overreaction.

365899 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #660 of 1934 🔗

Standard approach. Outsource the murky stuff. It’s essentially an arms race of a kind

365930 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #661 of 1934 🔗

Plausible deniability; the politician’s friend

365874 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #662 of 1934 🔗

From today’s MSM:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55718213

About one in 10 people across the UK tested positive for Covid-19 antibodies in December, roughly double the October figure, data has shown.

And then:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-hospitals-vaccine-care-homes-cases-deaths/

An estimated one in eight people in England had had Covid-19 by December last year, up from one in 11 in November, new figures show.

What’s that saying about statistics?

365897 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 1, #663 of 1934 🔗

This Times article last week reported 1 in 5.

365902 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, 2, #664 of 1934 🔗

Another PCR-generated number.

365988 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to RickH, #665 of 1934 🔗

It’s the latest output from the Ferguson model after it was run three times with the same input.

365889 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 7, #666 of 1934 🔗

Sorry, not able to do a screen grab of this (or whatever the techy term is) but this sums it up for me:

https://gab.com/DaveCullen/posts/105581950676284878

365923 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to kh1485, 13, #667 of 1934 🔗

365927 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Major Panic, 4, #668 of 1934 🔗

Ta.

365955 ▶▶▶ Elenesse, replying to Major Panic, 18, #669 of 1934 🔗

I am a civil servant so I know that on the face of it, I’m one of the “lucky ones”. But I for one want this utter shitshow to end. I don’t like seeing my fellow citizens struggling to keep afloat and saying “There but for the grace of God go I” Maybe because I actually have empathy and despise the deliberate destruction of our society. It will have an impact on the public sector too eventually which is what some people are failing to grasp.

365970 ▶▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Elenesse, 9, #670 of 1934 🔗

Agree I’m in a similar position working in education, joy. But I don’t agree with any of this shit and haven’t since March 2020.

It will impact the public sector and I don’t think anyone’s jobs are guaranteed now. My sister works for the local council which was merged with another local council so they are definitely going to be making people redundant soon when they look at where two people are doing the same job.

366071 ▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #671 of 1934 🔗

Probably put in an extra layer of management instead.

365973 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Elenesse, 16, #672 of 1934 🔗

No offence intended. My anger is directed at those who wish the lockdowns to continue but have absolutely nothing to lose (or, they think they don’t). The ones who are quite happy for successful and profitable businesses to be thrown under the bus and for the owners to face an uncertain and impoverished future through absolutely no fault of their own. And those who are enjoying their time in the sun right now.

365926 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 8, #673 of 1934 🔗

Do you remember ‘Call me Dave’ employing this slogan when Awful Osborne imposed the austerity measures?

What triumphs we have witnessed since 2000: WMD; dodgy dossier; war in Iraq; austerity measures which penalised the poor and let the wealthy off the hook; Lockdown UK.

‘O sceptred isle’- not.

365909 Basics, 4, #674 of 1934 🔗

Get A Free Bag Of Marijuana With Your Covid-19 Vaccine

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2021/01/14/get-a-free-bag-of-marijuana-with-your-covid-19-vaccine/https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2021/01/14/get-a-free-bag-of-marijuana-with-your-covid-19-vaccine/

5 days agoCannabis activists in Washington, D.C. are planning to offer a free bag of marijuana to those receiving the vaccine for Covid-19, the group DC Marijuana Justice announced this week.

365917 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #675 of 1934 🔗

I’d like to thank Lockdown Sceptics for publishing my letter to Geoffrey Cox. I tried to keep the letter calm, focused and rational, but inside I am regressing at a horrifying rate. Prior to this government introducing their deranged, monstrous policies I’d had nearly two years of almost uninterrupted progress, combining my regular medication with a multivitamin suppliment, which had improved my daily life to an extent I had not previously known. I have now been set back at least two years. I’m stared at in shops by ignorant people obviously too bone idle to familiarise themselves with the ‘rules’ they’re so eager to follow. This includes some staff members.

Sometimes I am defiant, looking back as if to say, ‘Yes? Can I help you?’ Other times I am a mess inside, knowing people are looking at me but keeping my head down, unable to look at anyone. (My condition dictates that I can go from being extremely confident and outgoing to being extremely introverted, anxious, paranoid, depressed, sad, etc.) Unfortunately I’m deteriorating so bad that it is now more often than not the latter. More and more I just want to stay at home. I feel isolated everywhere I go. This despicable government has made me a target. An outcast. The evil historical parallels are obvious. I will never, ever forgive them for what they have done to me.

More importantly, I will never forgive them for what they have done to our country as a whole, our citizens, our children, our elderly, literally separating families and setting back our children’s education, causing untold harm to future generations and an unfathomable loss of quality life years.

Thank you for indulging me. I’d just like to clarify that though Barnstaple Tesco is outside of Cox’s remit, I am in Bideford, part of his manor.

Thank you all for your unwavering sanity. It is no exaggeration to say that you have helped to keep me sane. You truly have.

I have to get on a bus soon. This is now an absolute task! Been trying to prepare myself for this since 8am.

Bastards.

366156 ▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #676 of 1934 🔗

Hi JohnDanny. Articulate letter and even more of an articulate post. Anyone human would sympathise with your situation. Have you thought of contacting Julia Hartley-Brewer’s appeal, asking for charities’ experiences of lockdown – but I’m sure she’d be interested to hear of your experiences too. There’s a link in today’s blog.

Cox is my MP too (I’m from the south of his constituency). Absolutely useless in my experience – he’s far more interested in doing his extremely well-rewarded legal work (half a million quid a year) than doing anything useful as an MP. He generally replies with platitudes the first time you write to him, but silence after that. But maybe a few letters like yours will help prick his conscience.

You can be assured of support and a good laugh on here. And don’t think you’re an outcast. Truth be told, about a half of the people you see in the supermarket, including many of those looking at you, wish they weren’t wearing masks either. A fair few of them are looking at you and saying to themselves ‘why aren’t I doing that?’

Bideford – The Little White Town – and the area around is a great part of the world.

366285 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to TJN, 4, #677 of 1934 🔗

Hi TJN,

I thought this post was lost, hence my posting it again. Thank you for your reply.

I am thinking about contacting JHB.

I have little faith in Cox, but he’ll not get away with platitudes this time.

Thank you for your encouragement…

‘Truth be told, about a half of the people you see in the supermarket, including many of those looking at you, wish they weren’t wearing masks either. A fair few of them are looking at you and saying to themselves ‘why aren’t I doing that?’’

That’s an interesting perspective. I hope you are right.

‘Bideford – The Little White Town – and the area around is a great part of the world.’

It is indeed. I’m a Londoner at heart, but I’d never move back there. North Devon is my home now.

You take care, TJN.

366789 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, #678 of 1934 🔗

Hi JD,

Keep at it! And all will come well in the end.

I can see from your other posts that you have a strong sense of justice, and right and wrong. Have you read Charles Kingsley’s Westward Ho! , set largely in Bideford its the surrounds? It’s quite long, and starts a bit slow, but for anyone living in NW Devon who likes historical novels it’s a must read – a really great book. Kinglsey had a very highly developed sense of right and wrong, and morals, and how men should strive to do right. This theme runs through the book as strongly as the Devon countryside. The dismissal from the book of its primary villain, Eustace Leigh, is one of the most striking pieces of prose I’ve ever read. And it reminds me very strongly of people who look at you in a disapproving way when you are in a shop. But I don’t want to spoil the book by going into details.

If you’ve settled in Devon I don’t see how its possible to go back to London! Then again I’m born and bred here, although I have lived further east along the south coast.

I’d be interested to hear what Cox has to say in reply.

Best wishes, TJN

365922 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 20, #679 of 1934 🔗

Quick, someone get me a needle and thread. I need to stitch my sides up from laughing so much:

Customer: “Not busy today then, ha, ha, ha …?”

What planet do these people inhabit … jeez.

365993 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #680 of 1934 🔗

Jesus wept.

365994 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #681 of 1934 🔗

Indeed. I don’t think a career in the Diplomatic Corps beckons.

366357 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to kh1485, #682 of 1934 🔗

Hi HK Did you read my last comment yesterday to you on your request for advice. If your Post code ends in H I’ll send it by email

366035 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to kh1485, 7, #683 of 1934 🔗

That was a regular comment in the pub we used to own. The insensitive customers not realising how clinically depressing it is for an owner to have a quiet pub.

366093 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 4, #684 of 1934 🔗

I had to really keep myself together so much not to come around the counter and punch these people.

366124 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, 2, #685 of 1934 🔗

Yes had to resist the temptation as well at my work.

366199 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, #686 of 1934 🔗

Probably a trick question.

365924 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #687 of 1934 🔗

2nd time I’m posting this link today, it is extraordinary. Easily some of the most blatant, crass, repugnent use of propaganda by the BBC ever. Tall claim? Big build up? Churchillian.

Genuinely the most outlandish propaganda to date. Jeremey vine show. Even tailored to the demographic of the show. A must listen if you can, you won’t believe your ears.

At approx 47mins in – easy to skip to.
https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2021-01-18T11_09_03-08_00

Richie Allen Radio Show

365951 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Basics, 8, #688 of 1934 🔗

A disgusting comparison of the NHS to the armed forces.

And then it goes on to refer to the number of admissions (circa 15000) without contextualizing it with the number of discharges.

365965 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #689 of 1934 🔗

I strongly believe people nedd to listen and experience it. The ramifications of such propaganda are deeply concerning.

365967 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 6, #690 of 1934 🔗

Yes, do these maggots in the media know what they are doing or are they useless idiots??

How can people listen to this shit.

Oh and piers Morgan is a wanker

366031 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Basics, 4, #691 of 1934 🔗

You think folk like Jeremy Vine secretly hate themselves? knowing your a sellout for the system. A traitor in exchange for a salary.

366344 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to JHUNTZ, #692 of 1934 🔗

I think that when he is whipping up fury for banning things in his squeaky excitable voice, he is only operating his DJ console with one hand…

365935 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 9, #693 of 1934 🔗

Key Workers, those who work for the state get priority for their kids schooling. Soon working for the state will be seen as an advantage, the plan coming together. State workers, sustenance payment.

365940 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to DanClarke, 5, #694 of 1934 🔗

absolutely….a socialist state within a GLOBAL socialist state……Stephen Kinnock/Caroline Lucas et al must be so happy

366211 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Luckyharry69, #695 of 1934 🔗

The notion that Kinnock is a socialist … ha ha. His father’s slogan was ‘running capitalism better than the Tories’ which has been their aim ever since.

Caroline Lucas … I have little no idea. But her colleagues have been tweeting on the glories of COVID vaccination. She’s been taken in I expect. Not many politicians have a biochemistry degree as David Davis turns out to have.

366022 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to DanClarke, 1, #696 of 1934 🔗

It’s astonishing how much of this response looks an awful lot like communism.

366050 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to DanClarke, #697 of 1934 🔗

When everyone works for the State, there will be no defined benefit pensions, including for those already on the inside.

365944 alw, replying to alw, 3, #698 of 1934 🔗

Just heard from my neighbour that homeschooling is going to be continuing until the Easter break? Nothing in the news. Can anyone spread any light on this. All children should be back at school tomorrow.

365956 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to alw, 9, #699 of 1934 🔗

Just watching Ed Select Committee. The position is that schools will not open until numbers come down in the wider population. Jenny Harries and co insist that there is no way of predicting when that will be. Easter seems very likely to me – what is going to change by February half-term? There was an academy chief exec in the press talking about his expectation that nothing would change before Easter because he teachers are “terrified”.
Agree completely schools should be open fully now. There does not seem to be any limit to the sacrifices that children are expected to make.

365966 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #700 of 1934 🔗

“Numbers come down” Numbers of what? “Cases” I suppose. They should be looking at deaths or serious illness directly from covid, and that only.

365980 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 2, #701 of 1934 🔗

Yes, cases, I think. But the lack of specificty is deliberate, I suspect. It was made clear that there is no concern that being in school is any way unsafe for children and that staff are at no greater risk than any other workers – it is all determined by overall numbers and pressure on the NHS.

366012 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Julian, #702 of 1934 🔗

Looking like deaths could be curving over now, which is what you would expect at this time in a normal year.

365978 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #703 of 1934 🔗

The majority of the tutors at work (FE college) are terrified and so are quite happy teaching online from home. The few who are having to come in to teach vulnerable students face to face are desperate for the LFT tests to be rolled out so they can have reassurance they’re not going to die.

366005 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ambwozere, 7, #704 of 1934 🔗

Good grief. And if they get a positive from the test? Will they phone the funeral director immediately?

366019 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #705 of 1934 🔗

Surely, the only way to manage this is to tell teachers you will no longer have a summer holiday where infections are historically low. It will be a winter holiday.

I expect that would focus minds.

366028 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JHUNTZ, #706 of 1934 🔗

Perhaps! But Harries says that even if all staff were vaccinated as a priority it still wouldn’t influence the decision to open schools.

366090 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #707 of 1934 🔗

The teachers on here are not “terrified”. I suspect it’s a vocal minority egged on by the unions who can resist no opportunity.

366008 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 1, #708 of 1934 🔗

Agree. Children should be in school

Children will need to protest in-front of schools with boards demanding that school opens for all children.

The local school has 70% of the children in school (key workers). The remaining 30% of children are stuck at home, many only with reams of papers to complete and no social interaction with other children

366010 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alw, 1, #709 of 1934 🔗

Also note that universities have been mostly online learning and social and sporting activities since March, campuses more or less closed

366023 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to alw, 1, #710 of 1934 🔗

I know of one primary, where it’s only the teaching assistants, with a few HOD’s in school. The teachers are too busy screaming on Twitter and Facebook apparently.

366144 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to alw, #711 of 1934 🔗

Of course it won’t start up again until after Easter, we all knew that from the moment they shut them earlier this month.

365945 alw, replying to alw, 33, #712 of 1934 🔗

“Don’t hug your grandchildren yet, scientists warn amid fears vaccinated will abandon rules.”https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/19/dont-hug-grandchildren-yet-scientists-warn-amid-fears-vaccinated/

have been having the grandchildren since the end of April and have no intention of stopping.

365979 ▶▶ Basics, replying to alw, 12, #713 of 1934 🔗

Slowly two giant donkey ears begin to raise on top of the heads of vaccinated people across the land. The vaccine is not getting us back to normal they realise. Does that realisation turn to a pitchforking violent anger? Tune in next time, same bat time, same bat channel.

365982 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to alw, 9, #714 of 1934 🔗

I don’t know if this is just me, but have noticed more, what appears to be grandparents out and about with kids. I’m guessing a lot of parents are desperate for childcare.

365983 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to PoshPanic, 14, #715 of 1934 🔗

Maybe a lot of grandparents have just quietly started saying NO MORE OF THIS.

366030 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #716 of 1934 🔗

I think so and hope so!

365991 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to alw, 15, #717 of 1934 🔗

It’s the way they flippantly dismiss these things. Actual social life is reduced to “hugging your grandchildren” and “going to the bingo halls”. Probably because THEIR idea of a social life is shouting “do you know how busy I am?” at their wives and their secret monthly afternoon being pegged by Mistress Perdita (incalls only, highly discreet). Which would also explain their relaxed attitudes to being masked.

366373 ▶▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #718 of 1934 🔗

Ah, Ms Perdita is the one with the photos is she? The one’s that have them over a barrel, literally.

I now understand where they get that glazed distanced look from.

Oh, and do you have her number perchance?

366002 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to alw, 10, #719 of 1934 🔗

Good for you! :-). My problem is that my wife more or less believes all this stuff to the extent that she won’t even let our son play in the park “because of the risk”. I knew when we met that she was risk averse; I just never appreciated the extent of that aversion or the degree to which she is a “rule follower” despite the absurd, ludicrous, illogical, inconsistent, irrational, or unfit for purpose nature of them.

Our Christmas was a good example. Wouldn’t let her sister and family in the house so presents exchanged on the doorstep. Although she never said so I don’t think she was that impressed when I invited a friend in prior to Christmas who had popped round to drop off presents. To be fair I think he too was surprised that I invited him in because he was a bit hesitant to enter. I just told him I wasn’t prepared to stand in the doorway letting all the heat out. So he came in. He offers his elbow for the Wuhan bump. I said it’s a handshake or nothing. Again a look of surprise and hesitancy but he did at least relent and shake my hand.

366102 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #720 of 1934 🔗

Have you ever watched 2 people doing the elbow bump?
You have to stand closer together than with a handshake.
Unless you position yourself in a position which is unnatural, side by side. Usually you would have approached a person face to face (chance meeting in the street). So they do the face to face elbow bump, meaning you have to lean forward and bring your heads very close together. Silly!

366139 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to alw, 3, #721 of 1934 🔗

If they hadn’t bigged up the vaccine and resulting freedom to such a gargantuan degree, they wouldn’t be having this issue.

Although obviously, anyone who wants to hug their grandchildren should do so whenever they want to, regardless of vaccines or what the government says.

365949 sffc, replying to sffc, 4, #722 of 1934 🔗

Medicine in the U.S. is being systematically taken over and decimated of any legitimacy. Long standing codes of medical ethics and adherence to the scientific process and evidence-based medicine are being replaced by a very frightening political movement. This movement is working to censor, silence, and discredit any discussions of medical, environmental or social issues that veer from their agenda, and to destroy anyone resisting. It sounds crazy, but it’s become absolutely vicious since the U.S. government takeover, which they hope to complete tomorrow. It has particularly emboldened them.

The movement is becoming especially fierce and organized among medical, hospital, and science groups in the U.S.. They have become unrelenting. They are shutting down any discussions among professionals about Covid-19, its IFR, PCR testing, masking and lockdowns or the vaccine. And, in the public.

As we all know, very legitimate, reputable scientists and experts have a lot of reasons to be concerned about everything surrounding this virus, including the government responses and the vaccine. A year ago these questions were openly discussed in the medical literature and in media.

No more. Anyone who doesn’t follow the line is being destroyed, wiped away. They are leaving no stone unturned. In west Texas, for example, there has been one sole voice of reason and balance on the radio. He questioned the Covid-19 hysteria with credible and trustworthy information and sources, and exposed dishonesty in local media and government. With a long held respected reputation in Texas, he had a huge following. But yesterday, with no notice or reason, his show was cancelled by Townsquare Media, effective immediately. These are not nice people.

Now, there is not a single media outlet left in this vast geographical area for people to turn to for reputable news and information…about Covid-19 or anything else.
https://prattontexas.com/2021/01/17/cancellation-of-robert-pratt-pratt-on-texas/
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/shareholder-alert-purcell-julie-lefkowitz-134400937.html

For months, doctors and nurses and the public have been inundated by promotions of one of the most visible and radical of these cancel-culture activist groups working to shut down scientists and medical professionals who don’t follow the Covid-19 narratives − the “Center for Countering Digital Hate.” In its war against true skepticism, it spreads endless disinformation, along with junk science and quack ideas like “scientific consensus.” This group has decided that only their “facts” are allowed to be discussed and calls for the silencing, censorship and removal of all professionals who don’t agree with them. They call it “deplatforming.” Their hatred for Trump, for example, exudes from nearly every article, with endless disinformation about the President.

It is shocking that formerly credible medical and healthcare organizations have succumbed to such fraudulent activism. Many of these science and health organizations are sponsored by pharmaceutical companies, but their politics are obvious, too.

UK readers of Lockdown Skeptics probably understand the Center for Countering Digital Hate group better than a lot of Americans. This heavily funded group is organized by globalists and run by Imran Ahmed and Ayesha Saran, both from the UK, and the World Economic Forum.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/11/ccdh-the-centre-for-cancel-culture-and-digital-hypocrisy-part-1/
https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/12/ccdh-the-centre-for-cancel-culture-and-digital-hypocrisy-part-2/

They label any Covid-19 discussion as conspiracy theories and fake news and anyone who disagrees with them as terrorists, extremists and racists. One tactic they use is to make examples of a few of the least reputable quack-like sources and try to equate them to legitimate medical professionals and anyone who is questioning Covid-19 issues – lumping them all together and labeling them as “anti-vaxxers.” They are really going after “Covid-19 vaccine hesitancy.”

https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2021/01/the_anti-vaxx-Industry.pdf
https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2021/01/the_anti-vaxx_playbook.pdf

I am truly afraid for all of us in our country and around the world.

366299 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to sffc, 1, #723 of 1934 🔗

Yes, we are experiencing the biggest — and most successful? — propaganda campaign in history, because global. The German corporate media is also totally controlled.

I am no fan of Trump, but Jo Bi Deng is going to be a disaster for free speech. The weirdo in charge of Twitter is already talking of widespread purges. And they are going to try to make sure the people have nowhere else to go (or at least completely marginalize them).

Never before have so few people had so much power, not only financial, but mainly over information. I have been warning against this for ages. I did not expect the abuse to happen so soon,
or so powerfully, but I knew instinctively that concentrations of power like this can never end well. I have tried to convince Democratic Party supporting friends that this is a bigger issue, but depressingly they just seem happy that they are winning at the moment.

And now Bill G is buying up farmland like mad as well.

365953 Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 34, #724 of 1934 🔗

My GONZOID classification of apparent non-sceptics by trait:

GO Gullible Optimist – incredible belief in positively spun news, chases the carrots e.g “It will all go back to normal after my second/third/fourth vaccine”

NZ Non-thinking Zombie – has no original thought on the subject and prefers to carry on as normal, unthinkingly obedient e.g. “What time is Strictly on tonight?”

O Obsessive Compulsive – Germophobe, worrier, scared of own shadow, falls for the stick every time, very obedient and lives behind the sofa e.g. “They’re digging mass graves in Kensington now!”

ID In Denial – looks the other way, plays down the negative side, resigns to going with the flow e.g. “It is what it is.”, “There’s nothing we can do about it anyway.”

Disclosure and Warnings:
It’s not perfect and I’m not a psychologist.
Not suitable for research purposes.
May offend the weak minded.

365964 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 7, #725 of 1934 🔗

Very good

Think there are a lot of GOs and IDs and they are the ones to concentrate on

365989 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 4, #726 of 1934 🔗

Know a lot of people who fit into the various categories.

366181 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 3, #727 of 1934 🔗

I think there is another category (I have a friend in it) though it would spoil your nice acronym somewhat (GONZOIDIC? ): IC = Irrationally Cautious – fit in between the O and the NZ. Under 65 and healthy so have low to negligible risk of dying of Covid but are irrationally cautious of it, not to the point of not going out, but wearing masks excessively and avoiding crowds and meeting friends. Making statements to them like “London has likely already reached herd immunity” will cause a 5+ sec pause in the conversation as their mental gears slip (why is he lying to me?)

366229 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 6, #728 of 1934 🔗

Extended version (GONZOIDICAL):

IC – Irrationally Cautious – wears masks excessively and avoids crowds and meeting friends, very slow on the uptake, may get it eventually with a lot of handholding

A – Authoritarian – loves to make up senseless and illogical rules, enjoys enforcing petty and contradictory behaviours, holds the stick` e.g. “You must wear pants on your head to avoid more deaths.”, “All children are vectors and must be sheep-dipped twice a week.”

L – Lickspittle – loves to religiously follow all rules handed down by Authoritarians. No need for carrot or stick e.g. “I always wear pants on my head and double facenappies when taking a bath.”

Additional Warning:

If you are of a gullible or weak minded disposition please note that this classification method is made up and complete bullshit.

(Thanks for the peer review Prof Feargoeson – added your category)

365959 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 8, #729 of 1934 🔗

Probably as much use as a chocolate teapot but keep trying:

Petition: After the vaccine roll-out to high risk groups, remove ALL covid-19 restrictionsAs soon as all vulnerable members of the population (the elderly and those with certain underlying health conditions) have been protected through vaccination, all covid restrictions should be swiftly…petition.parliament.uk

Please share widely, this seems to be creeping along at snail pace… personally, I think this still has the wrong end of the stick (ie coercing the elderly into taking an insufficiently tested vaccine, it should be clarified that vaccines should be always pro-choice for the individual), but the pressure needs to accumulate one way or the other…

365976 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Pebbles, 6, #730 of 1934 🔗

They’ll have to call it a JAB roll-out as its not actually a vaccine

365992 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to DanClarke, 5, #731 of 1934 🔗

One of the America’s Frontline Doctors made a good point, just to reiterate what others have posted here: they should be calling it what it is, experimental. clinicaltrials.gov shows you the official trial end dates, Pfizer I believe is Jan 2023.

366001 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #732 of 1934 🔗

So a long way to go then. Wonder how much the UK is getting for being one of the biggest petri dishes

365977 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Pebbles, 1, #733 of 1934 🔗

Signed.

366003 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Pebbles, 5, #734 of 1934 🔗

Signing any petition to the very government that is deliberately orchestrating the madness is not very smart. And to sign this sinister one sanctions the government’s vaccine and lockdown policy propaganda to date and rush through untested vaccines with the over 80s & vulnerable as Guinea Pigs for Big Pharma.

366072 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 3, #735 of 1934 🔗

I get your point and feel the same way, but since the jab rollout has already started and many people actually WANT that bloody experimental vaccine, I may as well ask for my freedoms to be restored?

I am pro-choice when it comes to vaccines and openly oppose every Covid-19 vaccine, much to my surrounding’s dismay, but at the same time, we have to force the government to make concessions? If they don’t…which I fully expect them to, and continue to refuse to commit to anything, more and more people will wake up to the bigger picture of what this truly is.

It’s a shitstorm and a lose-lose whatever way we turn this. The vaccinations have already started and couldn’t be stopped because this country is taking too long to wake the fuck up in the first place.

366150 ▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Pebbles, 1, #736 of 1934 🔗

we have to force the government to make concessions

Agreed, but signing a wholly inappropriate government petition is not the way to do it, indeed signing ANY C-19 please please please petition is wholly counter productive. Unfortunately most ‘sceptics’ still think (or like to think) that this government is essentially open to reason, it isn’t. Too many people, even the so called sceptics, are sleepwalking into a new Pharmocracy.

366078 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Pebbles, 4, #737 of 1934 🔗

I am appalled at how slowly some of these petitions are growing. The one about nullifying the NHS ‘gagging orders’ only has a couple of thousand – for months now. Also the one about muzzles. AND the one about not restricting those who refuse the vaccine.

As you say, there’s little use in signing – when you read the government’s replies to these, which are patronising, dismissive and arrogant to say the least.

But I’ll sign it anyway. Thanks.

365971 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 3, #738 of 1934 🔗

Hancock sounds like he’s been groomed by the scientists

365998 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DanClarke, 6, #739 of 1934 🔗

Do you mean that Whitty and Valance have been combing his hair?

366006 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #740 of 1934 🔗

With a flea comb!!!

366092 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #741 of 1934 🔗

Better than Joe Biden sniffing it!

366111 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Steve Hayes, #742 of 1934 🔗

Was it you who recommended a book about the pathology of the Black Death, Steve? If so, what was it- I’d like to order it.

366085 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DanClarke, 2, #743 of 1934 🔗

Hardly surprising, as he doesn’t have a scientific or medical qualification.

366127 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Banjones, #744 of 1934 🔗

Actually he does, and maybe that’s the problem:

He took A-levels in maths, physics, computing and economics.(Wikipedia)

He has the same, limited world view of the scientists who advise him. Only someone who is utterly closed emotionally could be blind to the damage and grief they are causing.

365974 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #745 of 1934 🔗

Well done to this lady:

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1351238973285412870

Funny how the government claims they’re doing this to protect the vulnerable and yet refuse to listen to those in that group who have been saying repeatedly “not in my name.”

365981 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #746 of 1934 🔗

Brilliant.

365997 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 24, #747 of 1934 🔗

Sue from Chelmsford:

 “This government has portrayed lockdown as if it protects the old and vulnerable. I’m old and I resent being used as a hostage.”

365975 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 26, #748 of 1934 🔗

Plod on patrol with the BBC go to BBC News Live ’10:54: Out on patrol with police officers fining rule-breakers’, as they stamp down on civil liberties. Could anyone explain why 4 men exercising in a park is more dangerous than scores of people crushing into a supermarket (Xmas was worst with even narrower aisles blocked with promotional tat overflowing from shelves creating pinch points of less than 1 metre in many places)?

As for the second wave, there wasn’t one. It was just the predictable Autumn school returns when all the kids return home snotty nosed and share out the collective summer bugs plus Uni socialising. It happens every year as does the respiratory cases rising again in November & December.

365990 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 26, #749 of 1934 🔗

What gets a better response from the pigs, a) a young girl being raped or b) sitting on a bench?

I lost any respect for the filth years ago, now it’s hatred.

366036 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #750 of 1934 🔗

b) because any bend of the rules leads to a death . (or so the adverts on the radio say)

365995 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 3, #751 of 1934 🔗

BBC propaganda, keep up the rhetoric

366126 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #752 of 1934 🔗

‘I wondered who would be the first to spot that’. Capt Mainwaring, Dad’s Army.

365986 wendy, replying to wendy, 16, #753 of 1934 🔗

My Dads care home are having the vaccine today, not sure which one, maybe AstraZeneca as Pfizer seemed too difficult logistically. I feel very anxious about it. He and most other residents are very frail and taking lots of medications for stroke, seizures, diabetes, blood pressure etc. Some residents are bed bound.

My family gave consent because he had always had the flu vaccine and because not to give consent felt very difficult. To my mind the people living in care homes should not be vaccinated as they are too frail. They should continue to be protected until the virus is fully endemic.

What the government could have done was include one person per resident in the care home testing cycles so that residents could have had a visitor to support them. In Dads home not every resident has anyone to come and see them so it would not have been a lot of people. I think the care homes wanted their insurance underwriting by the government to do this. And given all the money tossed around it wouldn’t have been impossible.

The care home are not forthcoming with information so I won’t get a full picture of how things go but I will let you all know either way.

366058 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to wendy, 7, #754 of 1934 🔗

Well let’s hope it won’t prove too much for the frail inhabitants including your dad. I keep my fingers crossed for him and everyone in there.

And yes, saying NO is and will continue to be difficult. But SAY NO we must if we want to not fall into this medical tyranny.

FYI, you could have asked them to sign the informed consent form found on UK Medical Freedom Alliance website, as this would have opened a path of suing them if shit goes wrong. Th link is here: https://www.ukmedfreedom.org

If you do have friends and family with elderly relatives in care homes, please, by all means, ask the care homes and doctors to sign these forms before administering the vaccines.

If they do not sign, they can’t administer the vaccine, and if they do sign, you have legal ammunition against them (which is why they won’t sign and leave you alone).

I hope everything will go OK, but do email LS and take action if it doesn’t. The more of us say NO, the quicker this nightmare crumbles… all the best to you and dad.

366004 MizakeTheMizan, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 24, #755 of 1934 🔗

BBC radio telling us that one in ten of us have antibodies to the virus (odd because it was one in eight earlier).

This must mean that more than half of us have immunity.

We don’t need vaccines. We don’t need lockdowns. End this now.

366018 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 13, #756 of 1934 🔗

i don’t understand the antibodies thing, we already understand that the immune systems of many people who get covid do not produce antibodies as their immune system deal with the virus in other ways – see yesterdays LS explanation by Prof Burns

Also those who do produce antibodies lose those antibodies after a few months leaving behind a memory should they meet up with the virus in the future

The antibody count is meaningless in respect of numbers who have had covid historically

366027 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to MizakeTheMizan, #757 of 1934 🔗

I’d love 10% or 12.5% of anti boides to equal 50% immunity but how do you get from one to the other, please?

366047 ▶▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to arfurmo, 5, #758 of 1934 🔗

Because the vast majority of us deal with this with our inherent immune system, we don’t need to produce antibodies. See the Diamond Princess for details.

366029 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 8, #759 of 1934 🔗

Weasel words
Antibodies only last a few months
They know this 100% – its a ploy so they can start screeching “ OMG antibodies disappear ” to scare the Covidians even further

366041 ▶▶ wendy, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 3, #760 of 1934 🔗

Even Neil Ferguson has said he thinks may be 30% so wouldn’t that be 1 in 3 almost?

366049 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 2, #761 of 1934 🔗

I’ll put my money on the good lady Gupta being right, but she’s been pulled limb from limb over her claim.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1260301/coronavirus-uk-oxford-university-science-study-covid-19-infection-half-of-uk

The lockdowns just prolonged the pain of it becoming endemic.

366234 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 1, #762 of 1934 🔗

Antibodies are not a reliable measurement. Our bodies uses T Cells (lots of different ones) with their memory from previous infections to fight new infections

366011 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 10, #763 of 1934 🔗

https://twitter.com/LightTruthpaper/status/1351480065855533058?s=09

Sane, Resistance Pubs&Restaurants to Open from 31.10.

366064 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JayBee, 3, #764 of 1934 🔗

30/01 🙂 I hope some do, but I’m not optimistic sadly.

366013 Pebbles, 11, #765 of 1934 🔗

Another Call to Action from Vitamin C for Covid – Save Lives Now – PLEASE WRITE AND SHARE…! Do not give up the pressure. I am sending it to the fuckwit MP in Bexley/Crayford today who has in the past “noted my strong views against lockdown”.

After posting this on our social media accounts earlier in the week we have had a big response of people who want to send a letter to their MP regarding vitamin C.

We really have to get them to listen and I will not repeat what we state in the letter below but we need your help.

We do want to track which MP’s have been written too so if you want to use this letter please could you either:

  • BCC us in on the communication ( c4covid@gmail.com )
  • Email the name of MP you have approached


So far this has been sent to 11 MPs and if you are in their constituency you are more likely to get a response.

MP draft Letter

Dear MP

Last week a placebo controlled trial came out showing 80% less deaths in critically ill covid patients given vitamin C vs placebo. This is one of 45 trials underway, and referred to in a published review [ https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/12/3760/pdf ] by world leading experts in emergency medicine and vitamin C, including an Oxford University Professor of Pharmacology and a Professor from NHS Wales, Swansea University Medical School. The review has over 100 studies that make it clear that vitamin C – a completely safe, inexpensive and available nutrient – can reduce the number people getting infected, reduce duration and severity if infected as well as reducing mortality in hospitalised COVID-19 patients. Those rare ICUs giving vitamin C are reporting the lowest mortality. ICUs using 12 grams of vitamin C are posting 6% mortality compared to 29% in this second wave.

This information has been shared with all relevant officials – PHE, NERVTAG, NICE, Matt Hancock, Sir Chris Whitty and all NHS chiefs over the past six months with absolutely no response.  Receipt of the review has been acknowledged by PHE and NICE but then nothing.

Back in July we were told “The Government has not undertaken a specific assessment of vitamin C in relation to COVID-19. However, Public Health England (PHE) is not aware of any robust evidence that vitamin C can “boost” the immune system to prevent us from catching COVID-19 or mitigate its effects.” The critical word here seems to be ‘aware’ because there is robust evidence as the review presented to them makes clear.

The summary of the latest review entitled ‘‘ Vitamin C—An Adjunctive Therapy for Respiratory Infection, Sepsis and COVID-19’ , co-authored by five UK experts states: “This literature review focuses on vitamin C deficiency in respiratory infections, including COVID-19, and the mechanisms of action in infectious disease, including support of the stress response, its role in preventing and treating colds and pneumonia, and its role in treating sepsis and COVID-19. The evidence to date indicates that oral vitamin C (2–8 g/day) may reduce the incidence and duration of respiratory infections and intravenous vitamin C (6–24 g/day) has been shown to reduce mortality, intensive care unit (ICU) and hospital stays, and time on mechanical ventilation for severe respiratory infections. Further trials are urgently warranted. Given the favourable safety profile and low cost of vitamin C, and the frequency of vitamin C deficiency in respiratory infections, it may be worthwhile testing patients’ vitamin C status and treating them accordingly with intravenous administration within ICUs and oral administration in hospitalised persons with COVID-19.

Just like with vitamin D (although the evidence is much stronger for vitamin C) it is unethical to just wait for yet more randomized placebo controlled trials, that take at least a year to set up, run and publish. How many more people will die unnecessarily? How much more burden can the NHS bear when we already have clear evidence of simple, inexpensive prevention steps such as vitamin C and D that are being ignored?

What can you do to get Government to take vitamin C seriously and, at the very least, look at the evidence in this review and advise the public why they have nothing to lose and so much to gain by supplementing vitamin C, and increasing intake to 6-8 grams a day on infection, as all the experts are recommending.

Yours sincerely,

366015 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 4, #766 of 1934 🔗

In the US:

“Now look at the bottom chart in the figure. It shows no increase in the rate of change from 2019 to 2020. This is not what you would expect if COVID had led to an increase in all-cause mortality in 2020. In fact, based on media reports, one would expect to see a visible spike in the rate of change for 2020. If these numbers are correct, we have to conclude that COVID has NOT led to an increase in all-cause mortality.”

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2021/01/has-covid-led-to-increase-in-all-cause.html

So, over 24 million cases in the US have led to no increase in all cause mortality.

366051 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to rockoman, #767 of 1934 🔗

‘cases’ – sorry.

366114 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to rockoman, #768 of 1934 🔗

This is a screenshot of the all cause mortality dat as presented on UK Column on Monday.

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366119 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, #769 of 1934 🔗

I don’t understand why it is not displaying correctly, but the link does work.

366130 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Basileus, #770 of 1934 🔗

Thanks yes that’s England and Wales.

The blip for 2020 must be the result of thousands of people being expelled from hospitals.

366614 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to rockoman, #771 of 1934 🔗

Yes, I believe so.

366016 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 3, #772 of 1934 🔗

Eurosurveillance providing non answers about about the PCR test peer review paper.

https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/13514728229

366033 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Caramel, #773 of 1934 🔗

No idea why, but that appears to redirect to this random, unrelated tweet from more than 10 years ago?!

https://twitter.com/kristenality/status/13514728229

366057 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Caramel, 1, #775 of 1934 🔗

Thanks!

366026 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #776 of 1934 🔗

Why Covid vaccines won’t create herd immunity Fauci Now Says COVID-19 Vaccine May Become Mandatory

  • According to Dr. Anthony Fauci, some institutions will undoubtedly require employees to be vaccinated, adding that it’s “quite possible” the vaccine will be required for overseas travel
  • The COVID-19 vaccine is still in the experimental stage as they have not completed Stage 3 clinical trials yet. The mRNA technology used in these vaccines is also experimental, and the sheer speed at which the vaccines have been developed and tested precludes us from knowing much about their side effects, especially in the long term
  • As of December 18, 2020, the adverse event rate in the U.S. was 2.79%. This means your risk of harm from the vaccine is far greater than your risk of dying from COVID-19, which has an overall noninstitutionalized infection fatality rate of just 0.26%
  • If an experimental vaccine were to be mandated, it would set a frightening precedent and pave the way for all sorts of nonconsensual medical experimentation on the general public, going forward
  • The COVID-19 vaccines are not being evaluated for their ability to actually prevent infection and transmission of the virus. And, if the vaccine cannot reduce infection, hospitalizations or deaths, then it cannot create the vaccine-acquired herd immunity required to end the pandemic

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/19/covid-19-vaccine-may-become-mandatory.aspx

366053 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Victoria, 8, #777 of 1934 🔗

And, if the vaccine cannot reduce infection, hospitalizations or deaths, then it cannot create the vaccine-acquired herd immunity required to end the pandemic

The recently adjusted WHO concept of ‘vaccine-acquired herd immunity’ (as opposed to natural herd immunity) is even more dangerous that a failed vaccine. Regardless of whether the current cocktail of untried experimental vaxxes work or not, we are all in danger of buying into vaccinations as the only way to achieve herd immunity in the future. And in the end, we know the government will fudge the figures to show these vaccines have worked, at which point we ARE in serious trouble – unless enough people refuse to take them.

366212 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 1, #778 of 1934 🔗

This is the biden factor at work. What goes in USA will come to each other country more easily. The UK National Carers Assoc are currently seeking legal counsel to understand if forced vaccines into care home workers can be legal. The covid act * give the government the power to legalise forced vaccination.

*not certain of the public health act 1984 and its relationship to the covid act.

366038 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #779 of 1934 🔗

We can just hope

In the end, I suspect and predict that widespread mandates for COVID-19 vaccination will not take place. I believe there will simply be too many injuries and deaths from the first and second rounds of vaccinations, and that will destroy any and all vaccine mandate arguments.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/19/covid-19-vaccine-may-become-mandatory.aspx

366079 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Victoria, 9, #780 of 1934 🔗

The joke is I have hardly meet anyone affected by COVID. I reckon it will be much more common to meet folk who have been affected by the vaccine.

366121 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Victoria, 3, #781 of 1934 🔗

In a way, it’s a rather grim thing to hope for. I don’t want anyone anyone to suffer injury or death from these “vaccines” … but somehow that seems to be the only thing that will get the lunatics in charge to hold their horses.

366146 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to mattghg, #782 of 1934 🔗

Yes, a mandatory vac is a terrifying prospect. People may need to get injured to put the brakes on.

366044 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 2, #783 of 1934 🔗

Looking at the graphs here:

https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

If these graphs do not take into account the aging of the population, then they will be misleading by overestimating real excess mortality.

It is true that there is a breakdown into different age brackets with some graphs. However, even within some of those separate age brackets average age could be increasing, leading to an overestimation of excess mortality.

If the country graphs do not take increasing average age into account, then they are definitely somwhat misleading.

366062 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to rockoman, 2, #784 of 1934 🔗

April aside, it looks pretty similar to 2018 to me.

366091 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 1, #785 of 1934 🔗

bloody Z scores as well – they should just show overall mortality

366109 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 1, #786 of 1934 🔗

Nothing wrong with z-scores per se. Its just a stantardised measure of variation against a mean.

…. IF the chosen baseline and mean make sense – i.e. NOT a short five-year average.

366056 PeteBell, replying to PeteBell, 43, #787 of 1934 🔗

Local Council Scare Tactics – Bournemouth Christchurch and Poole council (BCP) have issued a flyer with the message in large print “If you go out, people will die”. I have a message for BCP – if everyone stays indoors, people will still die. It’s called life.

366065 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to PeteBell, 12, #788 of 1934 🔗

What of the children who see these messages? Absolutely appalling.

366241 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #789 of 1934 🔗

This quote attributed to various people, “Give me the child and I’ll give you the man” sums up the situation quite nicely I think.

366066 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to PeteBell, 10, #790 of 1934 🔗

If everyone stays indoors, everyone will die.

366073 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to PeteBell, 12, #791 of 1934 🔗

Ironically people went outdoors to deliver the message!

366081 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to PeteBell, 4, #792 of 1934 🔗

Reposting from yesterday:

“The folowing study from the University of Edinburgh suggests that anti-social distancing, if it does slow down the progress of an epidemic, does so at the cost of increasing the ultimate number of deaths from that epidemic.There are always trade-offs.

https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2020/shutting-schools-increases-covid-19-deaths-study-f

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/18/latest-news-258/#comment-364031

Staying inside leads to more grannies dying.

366128 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to PeteBell, 7, #793 of 1934 🔗

Yes, my parents live there, I was staying with them last week and saw that very flyer.

They seem to think that infections are “soaring” in the area. A quick look at the data shows not.

It was an appalling leaflet, full of such gems as “one person is dying every 6 hours from covid” without any context with normal death rates. Absolute fear mongering drivel, explicitly designed to petrify. I don’t know how they are getting away with it.

366195 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #794 of 1934 🔗

I was tempted to send it back to the council with a demand to know where they pulled the figures from.

366191 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to PeteBell, #795 of 1934 🔗

We had that at home, it went in the recycling bin not read.

Dorset residents got the same flyer too.

Can’t say it’s made any difference to the traffic on the roads or the amount of people out walking at the weekend.

366283 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PeteBell, 3, #796 of 1934 🔗

If you go out, people will die.If you stay in, people will die.If you spend the next twenty-four hours banging your head against the wall, people will die.If you commit suicide, people will die. If you eat a Cadbury’s flake, people will die.
I notice that they don’t say ‘If you go out, people will die as a direct result’, because that’s an obvious and provable lie. What they do say is technically true, but is intended to convey a lie, which to the gullible it will.

366626 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Annie, #797 of 1934 🔗

If the supermarket delivery drivers go out, will people still die??

366063 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #798 of 1934 🔗

Updates from Israel:

Israel’s virus czar says 1st dose proving less effective than Pfizer indicated — report https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/virus-czar-says-1st-dose-less-effective-than-pfizer-suggested-report/

Coronavirus czar Nachman Ash says the first dose of Pfizer’s vaccine is turning out to provide less protection against COVID-19 than the US pharmaceutical firm had indicated it would, Army Radio reports.
Over 2 million Israelis have had their first Pfizer shot. Over 400,000 have had the second.
During talks among Health Ministry officials ahead of today’s cabinet meeting, Ash also says it’s not certain that vaccines can protect against mutated variants of the coronavirus , according to the report.

AND
Israelis aged 40+ start receiving vaccines in race to halt record infections https://www.timesofisrael.com/israelis-aged-40-start-receiving-vaccines-in-race-to-halt-record-infections/

Health minister orders providers to prepare to administer 250,000 shots per day; ministry recommends vaccines for pregnant and nursing women Israel confirmed more than 10,000 new coronavirus cases Monday for the first time since the pandemic began, despite the ongoing nationwide lockdown.
…. t he rapid spread of the more infectious British mutated strain of the virus could cause a fourth wave of infections in March or April after the economy reopens. The scenario would see the new variant gaining dominance and being responsible for most, if not all, infections.

366075 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to godowneasy, 7, #799 of 1934 🔗

t he rapid spread of the more infectious British mutated strain of the virus could cause a fourth wave of infections in March or April after the economy reopens. “

They are just reading off a script.

366088 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #800 of 1934 🔗

Until the Icelandic 5th wave variant hits in May…followed by the Chilean 6th wave in July….

366134 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to FerdIII, 8, #801 of 1934 🔗

Will there be a Mexican wave?

366136 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #802 of 1934 🔗

No but expect a Mexican Variant!

366276 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #803 of 1934 🔗

Followed by a vaccine standoff?

366334 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to FerdIII, #804 of 1934 🔗

There has already been a ‘Czech variant’ reported in in Polish press, or was it ‘Polish variant’ in Czech press. One or the other for sure. Or maybe both.

366142 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to godowneasy, 3, #805 of 1934 🔗

Less effective than their press release stated? The same press release that netted the CEO a huge windfall in dodgy share sell offs? Well I never!

366176 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #806 of 1934 🔗

That’s the one, yes. And don’t forget that Net-u-know-who and the CEO are personal friends.

366186 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to godowneasy, 1, #807 of 1934 🔗

Welsh variant has been located in Merthyr Tydfil on a benefit claim

366284 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #808 of 1934 🔗

In that case it will soon infect the entire population of the town.

366074 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 26, #809 of 1934 🔗

It’s not a bloody second wave, Toby. It’s the winter bloody wave we have every bloody year. The Spring 2020 spike was a curious almost late winter event with several causes. Within that death count is a directly caused viral death count, some of which is excess, some expected. Then there’s the non viral death count. It’s like plotting 1918 war deaths and flu deaths together otherwise.

366080 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #810 of 1934 🔗

Jan 2018 – 15.000 dead from the flu in the 2nd week. Is that a wave Toby vs the 7 K last week if you believe the data (I don’t because they have moved ‘normal’ flu-pneum-resp into CV).

I don’t see a wave given that 2021 is mild vs 2018.

366097 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 3, #811 of 1934 🔗

Hey! Just badge every death with the magic label “Covid” and bingo! The second wave appears by magic….

366104 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #812 of 1934 🔗

All the grannies who survived the mild winter flu season got taken out by the bat cold
That’s nature unfortunately

366131 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #813 of 1934 🔗

I’m also a second wave sceptic. Maybe we could start a new faction?

366287 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, -1, #814 of 1934 🔗

No it’s not the normal winter wave. It’s much bigger than any previous wave in the last 50 years and is still increasing.

366628 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Mayo, 1, #815 of 1934 🔗

I think you need to change your sheets.

Do you work for the BBC, GCHQ or Piers Morgan?

366076 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 6, #816 of 1934 🔗

Do we remember how they said that Coronaviruses had a slow mutation rate?
See here for example:-

“The coronavirus isn’t mutating quickly, suggesting a vaccine would offer lasting protection”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-coronavirus-isnt-mutating-quickly-suggesting-a-vaccine-would-offer-lasting-protection/2020/03/24/406522d6-6dfd-11ea-b148-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html

Then we recently have a rash of putative mutations identified as emanating from the UK, South Africa, and Brazil.
AZN (Oxford) vaccine was trialled in self-same countries….

Did anyone stop to consider whether a vaccine could be an agent inducing rapid viral mutagenesis?
Either they didn’t because they are stupid. Or they did and they are evil.

We know that the now prevalent strain of polio is a vaccine-mediated strain. So there is a well-documented precedent.

It’s a real possibility:-

“Should scientists also be cautious about vaccine-induced immune pressure driving mutagenesis and advantageous escape viral variants?”
“I am concerned that there may be selection pressure on the virus during the vaccination process resulting in escape variants that are even more resilient and transmittable than the current SARSCoV-2. Administering the vaccine to many immunologically naïve individuals could drive many more escape variants, forced to evolve due to immune pressure but I presume that virus genetic mutation will be monitored throughout the trials. (This process slightly reminds me of the RAG gene recombinant rearrangement activation of genes in antibody and T ell receptor differentiation but an unregulated mirror image of the process in the case of the virus, both achieving a ‘’best fit’ of the antigen). Thus, the immune response of entirely healthy individuals, that receives the vaccine, could drive viral mutation inducing unknown viral escape mechanisms that may impair recognition by human immune systems. The similar SS +ve RNA virus of HCV has rapid and frequent viral mutations.
Should scientists also be cautious about viral RNA rearrangement between different viruses and tread carefully as to which individuals are vaccinated, in case they have a chronic RNA virus that could rearrange with COVID-19? We do know that +ve SS RNA viruses mutate, like HIV and HCV and some of these viruses evolve through rearrangement of the RNA.
Could it be possible that the presence of HIV or HCV virus, as indeed many other virus strains, may enable a more dangerous evolution of escape quasi-species to arise? It was reported that the exclusion of HIV patients as vaccine recipients for COVID-19 has been described as discriminatory but perhaps it should be considered as cautionary, based on basic knowledge and understanding about the behaviour of viruses and its engagement with human immune systems. Anything that may possibly influence a high mutation rate, further enabling viral persistence by evading the innate, humoral and cellular immune responses, should be avoided. Scientists have already witnessed lymphopenia in severely affected patients due to the virus attaching to ACE2 on Th1 cytotoxic cells thus affecting the cellular response in severely affected patients. HIV attaches to CD4+ T cells via the CCR5 receptor also causing lymphopenia.
Should these factors be considered or endorsed in the selection of vaccine recipient candidates in this highly uncertain phase of experimentation, with the above considerations included in the exclusion criteria for the participants?”

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Should-scientists-also-be-cautious-about-vaccine-induced-immune-pressure-driving-mutagenesis-and-advantageous-escape-viral-variants

Thus there is the potential for a founder vaccine to foster the ‘need’ for another vaccine.
And another ….
Just like the flu jab….

I’d quite like to see Hancock’s reaction if this actually occurs.
Well I wouldn’t actually.

366098 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Kevin 2, #817 of 1934 🔗

Then we recently have a rash of putative mutations …”

Yes – the key word is ‘putative’. Like Chinese whispers mutate ….

366138 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to RickH, 1, #818 of 1934 🔗

Yes, I’m entirely sceptical about whether the said mutations are qualitatively different to thousands of others and whether they have any significance.

Left to their own devices, respiratory viruses generally select for genomic deletions which reduce virulence but maintain transmissibility. They become harmless background viruses like millions before.

But, what if the vaccines actually do drive mutagenesis to a vaccine-resistant form? Which might be more virulent…

If there was the slightest evidence that this might be the case, then all vaccine programmes worldwide should be ceased immediately on that grounds alone.
Let alone all the other reasons.

366634 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Kevin 2, #819 of 1934 🔗

Bill did say with a smirk that we’d definitely notice the next one.

Just sayin’.

366122 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #820 of 1934 🔗

Mostly, they didn’t stop to think what effects lockdowns and social distancing, never before tried on this scale or for this length of time, might have on viral evolution, particularly concerning unnatural pressures to increase transmissibility.

366082 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #821 of 1934 🔗

Zoe update

R looks like its levelling out at just over 0.7

366086 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #822 of 1934 🔗

daily new symptomatics

366107 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, #823 of 1934 🔗

whether the zoe app is picking up covid infections, or includes influenza infections and maybe some other virus that has not been spotted due blinkeredness, there is clearly a spike topping around the 7th January.

Is the spike in deaths Mayo is predicting based on adding 20 days onto the symptoms spike?

Maybe reparatory disease deaths continuing to increase and peak around the 27th before dropping away shadowing the infections above with a 20 day lag.

ie, the people going to die from respiratory diseases in the next 10 days are already infected

366148 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Major Panic, 4, #824 of 1934 🔗

in normal years, 5th Jan is peak death day and the 2nd week of January peak death week. Much of that is from normal colds of the very frail. I’ve no idea what infection to death lag is in those cases. Could be a couple of days for all I know

But a peak in new daily symptomatics on 7th Jan (and peak in total symptomatics in society on 12th Jan) is not too far away from that. This is what makes me think this is the winter peak and its downhill all the way from here.

people using the Zoe app aren’t the hyper frail

but yes, peak ‘real deaths from covid’ might be a couple of weeks after the infections peak – might be less or more – who knows

I still think 2nd week of Jan will be peak all cause mortality as in normal years

366201 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, #825 of 1934 🔗

thanks

366233 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Major Panic, #826 of 1934 🔗

Is the spike in deaths Mayo is predicting based on adding 20 days onto the symptoms spike?

The mean symptoms to death time period is ~17.8 days. Mean Incubation period is ~5.1 days. i.e. about 23 days from initial infection to death, I think that’s what Carl Heneghan used to conclude that infection peak what passed before first lockdown started.

If the 17.8 days is still appropriate deaths should peak around Jan 25th.

While the overall UK position is useful, remember there will be regional differences,

366240 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, 1, #827 of 1934 🔗

I’m hoping the drivers behind the decline are different.

I still think seasonality had more to do with the decline in spring cases, I’m hoping a level of herd immunity is a factor this time.

366255 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 1, #828 of 1934 🔗

I’m not sure seasonality had a huge amount to do with the first one

I think it was human behaviour change (pre lockdown) + some herd immunity (whether at house, street, area level)

the R values below are just not consistent with a seasonal change – which happens much differently across UK, let alone Europe – for all countries to behave so similarly from March 1st to March 31st

366268 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, #829 of 1934 🔗

just for interest, Zoe app had a peak infections in society at 2.2 million. this winter its about 800,000. Its a pity they don’t graph the whole time series because it puts it into perspective alot better than the govt coronavirus dashboard figures

366095 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #830 of 1934 🔗

looks quite similar to this

366084 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #831 of 1934 🔗

Summary of VAERS data on Vaccine adverse reactions.

https://twitter.com/CarnellAnita/status/1351220370699911175

It should be possible to access the VAERS database, but it isn’t easy.

366151 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Basileus, 5, #832 of 1934 🔗

On Robin Monnotti’s twitter thread, ther is a graphic stating:-

366227 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, #833 of 1934 🔗

Think long and hard.

366100 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 7, #834 of 1934 🔗

How many Pfizer/Moderna/AstraZeneca employees/management had the vaccine? Asking for a friend.

366158 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to TheClone, 10, #835 of 1934 🔗

BionTech, the German Pfizer partner, are not vaccinating their employees as they can not afford to have them off sick with eventual side effects.
The MD admitted this in an MSM interview.

366197 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Silke David, 1, #836 of 1934 🔗

He also said that he wouldn’t get the vax until it came his turn within the priority groups. Yep

366216 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #837 of 1934 🔗

Did he not also say it wouldn’t be a cakewalk (or words to that effect?

366101 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 8, #838 of 1934 🔗

WE GOT A PROBLEM asks “ I Wonder Why The BBC & Sky News Didn’t Report This”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfnHC_ySFjk

Anti Lockdown Protests in Austria – signs “ Make Influenza Great Again

366236 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #839 of 1934 🔗

Anti-mask sign “Make breathing great again”.

366103 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #840 of 1934 🔗

I can’t recommend the happen.network documentary enough, if you haven’t watched it already. The Rumble version is here..

https://rumble.com/vcstt7-the-reason-why-covid-19-pandemic-was-created-and-our-future.html

I’m now more convinced than ever that the Great Reset tech utopia, is finished before it’s even begun. It isn’t a revolution, like many that have happened in the past. The people supporting and pushing it, are already way too consumed in their own hype and believe they are untouchable. That’s not a good position to be in historically.

366115 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PoshPanic, #841 of 1934 🔗

Thanks, I was looking for a mirror – the happen.network site appears to have been taken down for now.

366153 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to leggy, 1, #842 of 1934 🔗

Yep, noticed that, hope they can get back up?!

366116 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #843 of 1934 🔗

”The people supporting and pushing it, are already way too consumed in their own hype and believe they are untouchable”

thats what Dr Fuellmich said in his first video

366118 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #844 of 1934 🔗

Id also recommend the 2 plandemic documentaries, very interesting indeed.

366230 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to ThomasT, #845 of 1934 🔗

Have you a link to these please? thanks

366123 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to PoshPanic, #846 of 1934 🔗

There was an advert at half time between the Tottenham V Sheffield game that seem to use the same images from that Happen.network video and was taking about how we’ve all become discomnnected from nature and each other living in cities. I was watching intently but was confued by the message. I can’t remember the URL it gave at the end but it was something link crosstheline or something like that.

366125 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Andrew K, #847 of 1934 🔗

I saw that ad, looked like some horrible globalist crap to me.

366166 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Andrew K, #848 of 1934 🔗

Lot’s of organisations jumping on this bandwagon right now.

366112 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #849 of 1934 🔗

So is school now only going to be a thing in the summer months, if the teachers are too scared of catching bugs off the kids in winter?

They’ll soon go off that idea, when they realise that they will have to start working through the summer in order to get through the curriculum. No more sunbathing and cocktails in the garden…

(apologies to the many good teachers I know who do want to continue teaching)

366120 ▶▶ rose, replying to A. Contrarian, 13, #850 of 1934 🔗

they should only be paid when they actual are in school teaching

366137 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to rose, 8, #851 of 1934 🔗

That’s the problem, you would soon see a change of attitude once the pay check stopped coming through the door no teaching no pay, council tax payers deserve better..

366133 ▶▶ stewart, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #852 of 1934 🔗

No doubt Google is working on some AI to replace teachers.

The day it happens, I will laugh hysterically.

It will be another horrible milestone in the destruction of humanity, but the silver lining will definitely be seeing the blank stares on teachers faces realising they don’t even have teaching to fall back on anymore.

366188 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #853 of 1934 🔗

They need to ask the pertinent questions. If they are fearful then ask:

“How many teachers have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 via their students?”

“How many have been ill?”

“How many have been hospitalised?”

“How many have died?”

There are plenty of studies on this and they need to stop basing their fear on a general concern. Put it into context and balance the costs.

If they don’t, I believe they are in it for themselves. When I’ve said tis to any teacher they respond with an anecdote that a teacher got Covid in her school, and they base their entire viewpoint on this single anecdote because all covid is bad and will more than likely kill you.

It’s infuriating

366190 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #854 of 1934 🔗

Teachers should be careful what they wish for. To paraphrase Brendan O’Neill in one recent interview. If they find a way to perfect webinars for schools, the teachers will be out of a job.

366226 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #855 of 1934 🔗

The same is true for universities … big changes coming for them too.

366214 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #856 of 1934 🔗

Get them jabbed up and TOLD to get back to fucking work. Pronto.

366266 ▶▶ Annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #857 of 1934 🔗

Easy to cut the curriculum in half.

366113 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 51, #858 of 1934 🔗

I’d like to thank Lockdown Sceptics for publishing my letter to Geoffrey Cox. I tried to keep the letter calm, focused and rational, but inside I am regressing at a horrifying rate. Prior to this government introducing their deranged, monstrous policies I’d had nearly two years of almost uninterrupted progress, combining my regular medication with a multivitamin suppliment, which had improved my daily life to an extent I had not previously known. I have now been set back at least two years. I’m stared at in shops by ignorant people obviously too bone idle to familiarise themselves with the ‘rules’ they’re so eager to follow. This includes some staff members.

Sometimes I am defiant, looking back as if to say, ‘Yes? Can I help you?’ Other times I am a mess inside, knowing people are looking at me but keeping my head down, unable to look at anyone. (My condition dictates that I can go from being extremely confident and outgoing to being extremely introverted, anxious, paranoid, depressed, sad, etc.) Unfortunately I’m deteriorating so bad that it is now more often than not the latter. More and more I just want to stay at home. I feel isolated everywhere I go. This despicable government has made me a target. An outcast. The evil historical parallels are obvious. I will never, ever forgive them for what they have done to me.

More importantly, I will never forgive them for what they have done to our country as a whole, our citizens, our children, our elderly, literally separating families and setting back our children’s education, causing untold harm to future generations and an unfathomable loss of quality life years.

Thank you for indulging me. I’d just like to clarify that though Barnstaple Tesco is outside of Cox’s remit, I am in Bideford, part of his manor.

Thank you all for your unwavering sanity. It is no exaggeration to say that you have helped to keep me sane. You truly have.

I have to get on a bus soon. This is now an absolute task! Been trying to prepare myself for this since 8am.

Bastards.

366129 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnDanny, 10, #859 of 1934 🔗

I hope you don’t mind JohnD, I forwarded your letter to my own MP. I am so sorry to read what you have written here. You are right, they are bastards.

366215 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to kh1485, 2, #860 of 1934 🔗

I have no problem with that at all.

Thank you, K.

366171 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnDanny, 8, #861 of 1934 🔗

I feel you. I thank God for my kids and wife as they keep me away from isolation that I feel underneath.

I don’t ask for much. I have a simple life. They’ve taken it away and I will never forgive them.

366210 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to JohnDanny, 8, #862 of 1934 🔗

Hang in there, John. I feel for you. It is terrible that ordinary things, like getting on a bus, or shopping, have become a test of solitary courage, to be borne alone.
Your letter was excellent.
We will stand firm. We will not be beaten.

366217 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Alethea, #863 of 1934 🔗

Thànk you, Alethea.

366265 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Alethea, 3, #864 of 1934 🔗

Tests of courage bring strength. It’s awful that they should be necessary, but they do help to keep us strong. We all know what it feels like to be the targets of zombie venom. It doesn’t break our bones. Or our resolve.

366224 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #865 of 1934 🔗

I can’t imagine how difficult the lockdown situation must be for you. Well done for battling on, and particularly for sending such a great letter to Geoffrey Cox. I hope he replies. Do you have a lanyard? It does make a difference to the way people treat you, even though we shouldn’t need them.

366429 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Liz F, 2, #866 of 1934 🔗

Thank you, Liz.

I’ll not wear a lanyard on principle.

366257 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #867 of 1934 🔗

Be strong, JD.Or rather, go on being strong. You are engaged in a terrific struggle and you will win.
Cheering you on, and (if I may) , God bless.

366432 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Annie, 1, #868 of 1934 🔗

Thank you, Annie.

God bless you too.

366307 ▶▶ AethelredTheReadier, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #869 of 1934 🔗

Hang on in there, JohnDanny, you’re not alone and you have plenty of friends here. Together we are so much stronger. We’ll persevere and who knows at some point reason, sanity, common sense, logic etc will prevail.

366433 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to AethelredTheReadier, #870 of 1934 🔗

Thank you, ATR.

366479 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #871 of 1934 🔗

I totally understand not wanting to wear a lanyard on principle, but when mental health and survival are at stake it might be time to consider it. There have been threads on this forum about people who must choose between wearing a mask and feeding their families and, to a one, everybody on this site has been supportive of doing what needs to be done to survive. There is no shame in that. There is zero tolerance for not wearing a mask in most stores here so I don’t go out, other than to my farmer and one health food store, both owned by sceptics and neither who wear a mask. If my husband didn’t do the shopping I would order online and pick up curb side. We are all doing our best to stay sane and be principled. Hugs to you and I hope your errands today go smoothly.

366568 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #872 of 1934 🔗

Thank you, Lisa.

Hugs to you too and stay strong, my friend.

366117 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 24, #873 of 1934 🔗

I have a very simple solution to this madness.

The public sector and the private sector must be treated in exactly the same way. The salaries of all public sector workers (including all politicians) to be reduced by 50% for the duration of the lockdown. In this way, we would all be in this together, right?

If this was official policy, there would never be another lockdown.

366132 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #874 of 1934 🔗

But some people are more important than others even if their lives are of equal value.

366256 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #875 of 1934 🔗

Animal Farm

366135 ▶▶ clem, replying to flyingjohn, 4, #876 of 1934 🔗

That would still be way too much for many of the top earning public sector workers – maybe they should all be put on furlough pay, that way it’s capped at £2500 per month

366141 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to flyingjohn, 11, #877 of 1934 🔗

Politicians should get fuck all..

366174 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to flyingjohn, 10, #878 of 1934 🔗

better idea would be to hang every sitting MP that voted for the lockdown
The next batch would ne’er do it again

366346 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #879 of 1934 🔗

I would like to see how many would be supporting this if like me, they had been excluded from all forms of help, luckily I worked during the summer, but now not working again, how many months could the average person last with no wages coming in.

366140 Basics, 3, #880 of 1934 🔗

NHS scottish Government junk mail now bi weekly. Blnake sealed brown envelope. Inside a Scottish Government propaganda sheet the first sentence talks of ‘the new strain’. Actually coming from Rt Hon Nicola Sturgeon MSP – which – look it up is a trading name. Not a joke.

Anyway, times are exceptionally bleak for sturgeonn, lies like a whild fire are catching up with her. The cabal at the centre are on fire.

366143 chaos, replying to chaos, 13, #881 of 1934 🔗

I once read that every conspiracy has a shelf-life – a point at which most people cannot deny inconvenient facts. For example, if by 2050 we still haven’t ‘gone back’ to the moon, surely more people will question the moon landings? Then again, digital video will likely have that base covered.

When lockdown continues into 2021 and beyond.. more jobs gone.. 1/3 of adults on universal credit.. vaccine passports.. limited travel. Does The Great Greta CCP Depression/Reset have an expiry date – a point where more than half of the people realise they have been duped?

366145 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 4, #882 of 1934 🔗

Depends how long they can keep the population living in fear ultimately.

366149 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to chaos, 5, #883 of 1934 🔗

my OH was listening to Jeremy Vine today. Apparently a SAGE member was being interviewed ‘who appeared not to have a clue about viruses’ but Jeremy Vine was getting irate that the vaccine didn’t mean we could go back to normal

366165 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 12, #884 of 1934 🔗

Yes – I think that this is the issue that could turn the tide.

The majority opinion I believe is that vaccinations return us to normality.

366183 ▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to rockoman, 7, #885 of 1934 🔗

A lot of people on my social media think that the vaccines are going to be our way out of this. I think people will start to wake up when it doesn’t happen

366220 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 20, #886 of 1934 🔗

I’ve been with my OH for 25 years. We used to occasionally argue about politics. Then I stopped. She is the bellweather of UK politics. Her opinions on everything are slap bang in the middle of public opinion. Now I just ask her what she thinks and I know where the centre is

1 – she thinks masks don’t work but its polite for worried vulnerable people

2 – the vaccines won’t work – no way is she having one – but her mother that’s ok as she’s high risk

3 – bored of lockdown wants it to end – ingores regulations in small ways – ie taking kids to friends and all the kids play together

4 – she has completely stopped watching or listening to news – apart from Jeremy Vine show she has no idea what’s going on – just sick of it

5 – if they stop her going camping this summer she’ll go fucking postal

366325 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to steve_w, 3, #887 of 1934 🔗

She might be about 60% of the UK population.

366526 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Waldorf, 2, #888 of 1934 🔗

if she starts experimenting with fertiliser and diesel I’ll know the end isn’t far off

366163 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to chaos, 26, #889 of 1934 🔗

Alex Thomson – who often appears on UK column – now thinks that around a third of people now see through the charade. That seems about right to me.

He reckons 50% constitutes a tipping point.

Don’t make the mstake of thinking that mzzle compliance and such means that people don’t realize what’s going on.

366567 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to rockoman, #890 of 1934 🔗

I sincerely hope you are right rockoman.

If one considers that broadly less than 10% of people wore asks in supermarkets at the height of this last year (March, April, May) and that the second round of clapping has gone down like a lead balloon.

As steve_w says just up the board, boredom has surely kicked in for many, many people who aren’t sceptics, aren’t zealots but just want their lives back.

366203 ▶▶ Basics, replying to chaos, 2, #891 of 1934 🔗

Was is 50 years ago they popped up to the moon and back a few times?

366222 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Basics, 4, #892 of 1934 🔗

They can’t do it now and they certainly couldn’t then

366277 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #893 of 1934 🔗

I see down ticked for not being on topic. It was 50 years ago they popped back and forth I just looked it up.

366280 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Basics, 3, #894 of 1934 🔗

Then NASA said they lost the technology for doing that and had to start again – someone a bit heavy-handed with their clearing out? Yeah right 🙄

366412 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #895 of 1934 🔗

NASA – Never A Straight Answer.

366282 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to chaos, -1, #896 of 1934 🔗

With respect to the Moon, search for LRO (Lunar Reconnaisance Orbiter) and its lovely images of the landing sites.

For example: Apollo 17

366152 ShropshireLass, replying to ShropshireLass, 16, #897 of 1934 🔗

The New Normal Documentary ”  is really worth watching and I urge you to put aside the time to do this. Assuming the content has not been digitally manipulated to falsify the content for some inexplicable reason, then LS members may be interested to see part way through Matt Hancock standing in front of the World Economic Forum banner, and also Biden and some other world leaders. I wonder if Hancock was attending the last WEF conference as an official representative of the UK government? Anyone doubting the content of this video and still thinks the WEF’s Great Reset is a conspiracy theory is recommended to visit the WEF website and delve into its contents themselves.

366160 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to ShropshireLass, 20, #898 of 1934 🔗

I haven’t seen this yet, but will watch it. In the meantime I wish the editorial of LS would stop referring to the Great Reset as a conspiracy theory. It isn’t. Whether it’s driving this shitshow or aims just to hoover up from the carnage doesn’t matter. It is a well documented agenda . Referring to something as a conspiracy theory is a lazy way of dismissing something you disagree with without engaging in debate. It’s sad to see it being used by Toby’s team here so often.

366225 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to godowneasy, 10, #899 of 1934 🔗

I totally agree with you godowneasy. I have twice emailed them about this and also put up a comment on the forum here yesterday. 30 governments signed up to it and huge corporations and global organisations such as the United Nations, International Monetary Fund and the (despised?) W.H.O. The website lists all the partners quite openly. UK government even specifically says on their website that they have formed a partnership with the WEF to deliver the Fourth Industrial Revolution, which underpins and is a key delivery mechanism of the Great Reset. The WEF is immensely powerful and delivery of their horrifying plans are well underway.

366162 ▶▶ leggy, replying to ShropshireLass, 7, #900 of 1934 🔗

It’s no secret, his speech in Davos is even on our govt website!

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/reimagining-policy-making-for-4ir-closing-speech

366252 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to ShropshireLass, #901 of 1934 🔗

If somebody can edit the bit of the video when BoJo is talking about technology spying on you and culling man, this could destroy BoJo!! About 30mins in.

366384 ▶▶ Cathnotchas, replying to ShropshireLass, 3, #902 of 1934 🔗

I have just watched this. Very scary. If this is the future, I am glad I am 76.
Trying to persuade my husband to watch it ( he is not a Sceptic, unfortunately).
I had decided not to have the vaccine, much to family & friends’ consternation, certainly won’t have it now.
( Hubby just gone to watch it now 🤞 !).

366157 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 15, #903 of 1934 🔗

I do wonder whether creating lots of different vaccines and giving them to a load of people, then finding a mutant strain and developing new vaccines and then finding that the vaccines are accelerating the mutation rate, and then having to make more vaccines ad infinitum – all the while locked down – is as efficient as just using our 3 billion year old immune systems

I have a friend who is right in the middle between lockdownista and sceptic – but she thinks this human ‘magic bullet’, ‘technology will solve it’ approach is a mugs game

366161 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 4, #904 of 1934 🔗

It’s almost as if we are the product you might say

366170 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to steve_w, 3, #905 of 1934 🔗

efficient as just using our 3 billion year old immune systems” – but these don’t make any profit by themselves – that’s why they have to be scrapped.

366189 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to godowneasy, 3, #906 of 1934 🔗

The Medico-Industrial Complex

366159 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 35, #907 of 1934 🔗

I’m going to be brutally honest with everyone here.

Your lives are of less value to me than my loved ones and people close to me. I do not consider all lives of equal value.

This does not automatically mean that I want you all to suffer and die. It just means that I prioritise people according to how important they are to me.

Does that make me evil or normal?

366167 ▶▶ l835, replying to Nobody2021, 16, #908 of 1934 🔗

Completely normal.

366168 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Nobody2021, 22, #909 of 1934 🔗

Perfectly normal, you cold hearted bastard.

366254 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #910 of 1934 🔗

That was my favourite response! Made me LOL….

366350 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #911 of 1934 🔗

Great reply; gave me a good laugh. Also shows that you are perfectly normal too. 🙂

366177 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #912 of 1934 🔗

You’ve triggered me – I am going to my safe space, where I will curl up in the foetal position and cry /s

366184 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #913 of 1934 🔗

Totally normal. Any parent surely would seek to put themselves in harm’s way if necessary to protect their own children.

366221 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #914 of 1934 🔗

Normal. It is not my responsibility, nor my desire to worry or care about anybody else’s health, apart from the people I know and love. Unfortunately, it seems the media and the government want us to cry buckets over every single person who dies with or of Covid.

366235 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #915 of 1934 🔗

You monster! Don’t you know that you need to consider how good a person they tell you they are, and if necessary tie-break by how many persecuted minorities they claim to belong to or support.

366248 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #916 of 1934 🔗

Normal. Only God can enter into the sufferings of all creatures.

366271 ▶▶ AethelredTheReadier, replying to Nobody2021, #917 of 1934 🔗

To be honest, it’s a very strange comment to post and I wonder what your reasons are for making it. We would of course protect those closest to us but to say something like “ Your lives are of less value to me than…” is just very weird. Why make a pointless judgement like that or are you posting this from an overloaded lifeboat in a choppy sea somewhere? I don’t think you’re evil just a bit odd.

366812 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Nobody2021, #918 of 1934 🔗

Value is in the eye of the beholder.

366172 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 23, #919 of 1934 🔗

The question that now needs to be asked of non-sceptics is “what will you do when/if the “vaccines” do not result in a return to normality?

366180 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to vargas99, 7, #920 of 1934 🔗

Wait for another vaccine?

366208 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Kevin 2, 6, #921 of 1934 🔗

if only there was a way for them to administer my new vaccine remotely. sort of install updates while I sleep

366219 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to steve_w, 1, #922 of 1934 🔗

Now c’mon. Don’t be impatient.
The implantable might take a few months yet.

366196 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to vargas99, 8, #923 of 1934 🔗

Sit at home and watch ‘Children of Men’

366202 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to vargas99, 3, #924 of 1934 🔗

Keep upgrading with the latest version until it’s all over…..

366204 ▶▶ l835, replying to vargas99, 6, #925 of 1934 🔗

Keep taking the furlough cash and watching tiktok videos.

366246 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to vargas99, #926 of 1934 🔗

Go long term sick from work and watch 24/7 tentacle p0rn

366360 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to vargas99, 2, #927 of 1934 🔗

According to the latest interview on James Delingpole’s channel, with Charlie Ward, it’s not meant to. It’s only the next step in crashing the world’s economy for a “reset”. Really worth a listen.

366173 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #928 of 1934 🔗

The weasel words are starting already – from the CEO of Ireland’s HSE (Health Service Executive, which is the Irish NHS):

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40209929.html

‘Everybody needs to learn from what happened’, HSE chief says following vaccine controversy

366187 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #929 of 1934 🔗

Cannot beat those lessons being learned. Never defined never explained but lessons need to be learned. How our public servants are the scum of the earth.

366262 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Basics, 10, #930 of 1934 🔗

the lesson I’ve learned is that we need to wipe out our political class, and snuff out the mainstream media – that would be a good start

366272 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JaneHarry, #931 of 1934 🔗

Ooh coming out with the actual lesson so boldly, never have I seen that before! A fine example of how it is done! Good job!

366419 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to JaneHarry, 8, #932 of 1934 🔗

This kid agrees with you…

366231 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #933 of 1934 🔗

I was told yesterday that taxi men are getting the vaccine ahead of many because they are on the double and list themselves as carers for others. so they get bumped up the list.

yep.

double insanity

366339 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #934 of 1934 🔗

Serious question : Has any proper survey (ie not PCR crap) of taxi-drivers and Covid been done? – they would seem to be an interesting group.

366422 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to RickH, 1, #935 of 1934 🔗

Not sure about taxi drivers, but there have been studies of supermarket frontline workers in Ireland and US. As Ivor Cummins put it, “No signal detected…”

366175 bobdobbs0507, 4, #936 of 1934 🔗

Dolores Cahill talks about the World Freedom Alliance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9kVxL3kwUc&t=1086s

366193 Julian, replying to Julian, 9, #937 of 1934 🔗

Telegraph poll on YouTube

“Getting Covid vaccine could prompt the public to abandon rules, say scientists”

Options:

Yes – People will understand they can still infect people
13%

No – People will think they are immune and cannot infect people
68%

Maybe – people just do not understand the science
19%

Other options needed
Scientists and Telegraph do not understand the science and/or are lying about it
If you can still infect people it’s not a vaccine
If you are not immune it’s not a vaccine
I don’t care if I can infect others or not, all I care about is being immune

Interesting conflation of whether you are immune or not with whether you can infect people or not, and use of the word “think”

Summary – Telegraph pushing the line that the vaccine does not confer immunity and you are still infectious. So why would you have it?

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgwGza2KRw48iLztjDJ4AaABCQ

Comments turned off

366337 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #938 of 1934 🔗

Telegraph pushing the line that the vaccine does not confer immunity and you are still infectious. So why would you have it?”

Yes – the zealots are so frantic to depress everybody that they’ve become like the bright sparks who went and drilled holes below the Titanic’s waterline to let the water out. 🙂

366194 Major Panic, 2, #939 of 1934 🔗

excellent explanation of the PCR test – don’t know if its already been posted, well worth a watch or to give to anyone who is genuinely interested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWNkJUDctdk

366198 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, 22, #940 of 1934 🔗

A friend of mine told me about her son who is in the navy.
Before xmas,tested for covid,positive.
Stayed at home for 2 weeks then tested negative.
Another test, negative.
2 days ago,asked by the Navy to have a test,this time positive.
Bollocks,bollocks to it.

366206 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Dartford44, 8, #941 of 1934 🔗

Test early and test often and eventually everybody in the world will test positive.
Now what about Covid 20?

366250 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #942 of 1934 🔗

Covid 20 Sir? We in China are already working on it, sir.

366200 Mayo, replying to Mayo, 18, #943 of 1934 🔗

Step aside, climate, change, a new gravy train for academic researchers has rolled into town.

My own team is about to undertake a more pragmatic randomised controlled trial of the impact of different kinds of masks on exercise capacity, comfort and physiological markers in people taking outdoor exercise. We hope to report the results of that study later this year.

A study to determine the efficacy of masks when exercising outdoors. Let me guess what the results will be: Researcher who thinks we should wear masks outdoors leads a study which finds …..<drum roll>……. we should wear masks outdoors,

https://theconversation.com/joggers-and-cyclists-should-wear-masks-heres-why-153110

366207 ▶▶ matt, replying to Mayo, 11, #944 of 1934 🔗

What you’re quoting reads like they’re just trying to work out which is the most comfortable mask to wear outdoors. The question of whether or not you should is – apparently – settled by the authors assertions (assertion now being an acceptable substitute for evidence).

Of course you should wear a mask when running outdoors. Here’s which one to wear to minimize your chances of keeling over from hypoxia.

366228 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 7, #945 of 1934 🔗

Trish Greenhalgh is a deluded fanatic, even by the standards of the lockdownistas.

366261 ▶▶ AethelredTheReadier, replying to Mayo, 7, #946 of 1934 🔗

What a bunch of crap. Mask efficacy for use outdoors?? I expect it’ll be part of the new puritanism soon but I draw the line at that. I’ve gone along with the nonsense so far but it’s time to resist more fiercely and push back against the tsunami of insanity engulfing us.

366264 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Mayo, 5, #947 of 1934 🔗

A study on how practical mask wearing might be for exercise but not on how effective or even if they’re necessary.

Is this what passes for science these days?

366267 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #948 of 1934 🔗

Just to add wearing a mask is like exercising after drinking alchohol. It takes more effort to get the oxygen you need.

Sure your body might adjust after a while doing it but who the hell would want to acclimatise to exercising while intoxicated?

366388 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Mayo, #949 of 1934 🔗

My own feeling is that when this Covid BS wanes (and it will) that will be the next Fear Factor.
I went to the British embassy in Athens last week and there was a poster on the wall about climate change. Possibly put there before the Covid panic and likely to stay there after it.

366406 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Mayo, #950 of 1934 🔗

None of these fat nerds even exercise.

366213 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 72, #951 of 1934 🔗

Just turned on bbc to see weather forecast. Missed it but on the news some very overweight patient in hospital with a warning something like. Take covid seriously, don’t end up like me, stick to the rules.

Well if you want to spend all day in front of the TV eating burgers and chips that’s fine but don’t then tell me how to live my life you fat fucker.

Rant over.

366238 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to Jonny S., 21, #952 of 1934 🔗

It’s the hidden fat elephant in the room. Being morbidly obese is very bad for your health. But let’s not address this. Instead stay away from all human beings and wear a mask.

366247 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tommo, 16, #953 of 1934 🔗

absolutely, if you really gave a shit about public health there are a million things you could do ; locking the population up, crashing the economy, detonating civil liberties would not feature very highly among them

366259 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Tommo, 11, #954 of 1934 🔗

And of course if you improve your lifestyle you through diet and exercise you improve your health chances for a whole range of conditions, not just (allegedly) a respiratory virus.

366310 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Achilles, 4, #955 of 1934 🔗

That would involve effort though just like researching alternative points of view.

366330 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, #956 of 1934 🔗

Whilst you may be right, please don’t turn this site into another one for virtue-signalling health fascists -even if the flavour is different!

366380 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, 5, #957 of 1934 🔗

How is saying that eating well and exercising is good for you ‘virtue signalling’?

366372 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Achilles, 1, #958 of 1934 🔗

And require fewer or (shock horror!) no pharmaceutical drugs.

366657 ▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to Tommo, #959 of 1934 🔗

Now, now, you know you must embrace body positivity. No fat shaming as it’s a myth that its unhealthy. Follow the science…

366242 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jonny S., 12, #960 of 1934 🔗

I love it when the land whales tell us we are putting their health at risk

366243 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jonny S., 4, #961 of 1934 🔗

So this person is admitting that he didn’t obey the rules?

366245 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Jonny S., 10, #962 of 1934 🔗

I don’t live particularly healthily but I don’t expect everyone else to give up their lives and futures just so there’s a hospital bed available when I need it.

366251 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Jonny S., 9, #963 of 1934 🔗

Sorry you missed the weather – here’s a summary : High pressure, low pressure, fat pressure, Deep depression, burgers everywhere, great fat rain clouds, angry swirling wind, darkness, sky caving in due to excess heaviness, floods of chips, plague of fat frogs, hail stones as big as a mc’donald’s gusho bag – stay indoors for safety – brighter spells expected sometime in the future….

366274 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Jonny S., 5, #964 of 1934 🔗

I’ve been saying something similar since last April or May. The UK and USA look bad for covid casualties (setting aside the dubious attributions of cause of death) because there are a lot of oldies and fatties in these countries (and I say that as a semi-oldie myself, though not a fatty).
Anyway I’m now off for a walk along the riverside path to have a look at the Derby Arena which is a vaccination centre – I’ll report later on whether they’re queuing round the blocks or not.

366323 ▶▶▶ tarfu, replying to Edward, #965 of 1934 🔗

Please do report back. Getting sick of the Derby Telegraph hysterical COVID headlines

366324 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Jonny S., 2, #966 of 1934 🔗

Hm yes, because lockdown makes it much easier for people to not end up fat, sad, unhealthy, depressed, etc etc etc… BBC just hasn’t got a clue (or maybe it has and it just doesn’t care).

366389 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Poppy, 4, #967 of 1934 🔗

It is interesting that there is not more stress on exercise and weight control, but they must have decided that they wanted a nation of fear-ridden couch potatoes. No gyms or fitness centres open and if you go hill-walking it can become a police matter.

366237 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 1, #968 of 1934 🔗

This is Martin Rowson’s best effort. He’s not a patch on Bob Moran!

366319 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to The Covid Kid, 2, #969 of 1934 🔗

Reeks of desperation. Straw man and ad hominem arguments rolled into one.

These nutters believe that people just aren’t dying of anything else other than Covid during this (tautological) ‘gLoBaL pAnDeMiC’.

366361 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to The Covid Kid, #970 of 1934 🔗

Well, I think it’s funny though I also think no one speaks better sense on Covid than the former judge. The cartoon is in the best tradition of George Cruikshank. Sure, there’s even a bare bottom there! Toby’s I think?

Thanks for posting it.

366383 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to The Covid Kid, #971 of 1934 🔗

Rowson thinks he is Gillray and you can see the influence. But he isn’t.

366249 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #972 of 1934 🔗

The film for our times – Dr. Strangelove.

366309 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to redbirdpete, #973 of 1934 🔗

“combined with a spirit of bold curiosity for the adventure ahead”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZct-itCwPE

366397 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to redbirdpete, #974 of 1934 🔗

Yes, how I learned to stop worrying and love the lockdown…

366253 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 36, #975 of 1934 🔗

listening to BBC Today programme this morning featured a number of interviews with folk who have taken the jab. They were pretty much like-OK, lets open up and go on holiday.

I wouldn’t want to be the one to disappoint them. However it’s good to see the vaccine is sowing pent up demand to lift the lockdown.

366273 ▶▶ Julian, replying to crimsonpirate, 8, #976 of 1934 🔗

I wouldn’t want to be the one to disappoint them. ” Au contraire, I think we should point out the signals coming from Hancock, PM and Whitty

366329 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 2, #977 of 1934 🔗

Yes – apart from taking the hardly-tested vaccines being foolhardy, there seems little point, anyway, since it seems it does nothing much of practical use according to Handoncock etc.

366258 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 21, #978 of 1934 🔗

We are living a reverse “Logans Run”
The youngest are sacrificed so that the oldest can live on

366305 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Crystal Decanter, 10, #979 of 1934 🔗

It’s going to be a real joy watching all those 83 year olds with co-morbities boarding the plane vaccine approved in the summer time. I will not be able to hide my resentment and contempt.

366260 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 17, #980 of 1934 🔗

Need to scream again that I can’t leave this country for another year. ANOTHER YEAR. There is no ‘reward’. We’ve ‘eliminated’ covid so we can have ‘covid safe’ measures and interstate and international border closures. There may be a ‘travel bubble’ with NZ soon but f them, they’re one of the reasons why we’re in this mess. They’re a reason why everywhere still has restrictions.

As rough as it may be in the UK, at least you guys can leave the country. And you guys get mask exemptions without having to go to the doctors and some shops don’t mind if you don’t wear them.

366270 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Caramel, 5, #981 of 1934 🔗

Technically leaving the country is illegal for most, though the law is vague. There’s no explicit law stopping foreign travel but as it would require you to be out of the house with a “reasonable excuse” it is unclear whether going on holiday or visiting relatives counts. The list of reasonable excuses includes work, education, medical reasons, shopping and exercise, but is not exhaustive. In practice you’d probably be OK, though it’s a risk, and you’d need a test for most places you’d go to and need to test and self isolate on the way back.

But yes, it sounds worse in Aus.

366304 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Caramel, 4, #982 of 1934 🔗

Travel is a complete nightmare logistically though rendering it effectively a border closure.

I didn’t realise about the mask situation sounds awful. Is it worse living in a country where yous basically haven’t been affected by it, but people live in fear of the boogeyman virus getting there?

367289 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to JHUNTZ, #983 of 1934 🔗

People here are grateful that they’re not like ‘the US and UK’ which they see as disasters. Australians are for the most part are very anti Trump and love Ms Jacinda. Australians unfortunately love the Premiers for keeping them ‘safe’ and the Prime Minister isn’t well liked. Masks were compulsory outdoors as well for months last year in Victoria and they’re still mandated indoors.

366263 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 9, #984 of 1934 🔗

I have to say I am intrigued by the timing of Hancock’s latest period of self-isolation. Would this mean he was in contact with someone who tested positive at the end of last week? Why the ‘wholesome family man’ photos in the Mail on Sunday and Monday? Why the NHS coronavirus dashboard problems yesterday (still seems to be ongoing)?

366275 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 9, #985 of 1934 🔗

Did he go out on Sunday so that he’d encounter a covid rich member of the public? Gives him a few days out of the limelight so he can concoct his next set of platitudes, scary graphs and finger-wagging warnings.

366279 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to thinkaboutit, 6, #986 of 1934 🔗

Assume before that if he comes out of 10 day self-isolation on Sunday. Would be intrigued to know who he came into contact with who had it.

366295 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 6, #987 of 1934 🔗

Maybe it is their way of taking a few days off – the Covid-era VIP version of the sick note.

366604 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #988 of 1934 🔗

A cynic would say it was planned to make the point that the virus spreads in the open air.

‘A cynic is a realist with a sense of humour’ – Anon.

366290 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #989 of 1934 🔗

Looking at Footpenis he’s probably been napping under the yew tree

366293 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 11, #990 of 1934 🔗

Is that not twice he has had it, did he not have it when Boris the nob had it?
If I’m correct, This will be a ploy to show the brainwashed sheep that you can get it more than once.

The man is a lying slimy bastard.

366311 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 9, #991 of 1934 🔗

Yes as well as it is not safe to go out without a mask or failing that just don’t go out as everybody has it.

We had dolly chops out riding his bike (probably with stabilisers and pom poms on his handle bars) last week and now this.

The tracker app hasn’t been mentioned for a while and now he gets pinged (another made up pointless word).

They think we are stupid with short memories, well not all of us are stupid.

366318 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 7, #992 of 1934 🔗

He hasn’t got it!

He’s supposedly been told he has been in contact with someone who has tested positive for it; sometime last Wednesday or Thursday (according to the Beeb).

It’s all just more ‘get the app’ propaganda.

Believe any of this tripe and you’re a fool. (Not you, TheOriginalAnotherSceptic 🙂 )

366327 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Ceriain, 1, #993 of 1934 🔗

Don’t worry, I know what you were meaning, I agree with you.
No offence taken Ceriain 🤙🏻

366269 Ewan Duffy, 13, #994 of 1934 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0119/1190599-coronavirus-ireland/

“Virus household transmission ‘really hurting community'”
The article includes this statement:

However, Dr McNeill warned the disease has a long incubation period and a negative test may mean that the virus has not been detected yet .

The latest twist in COVID – a negative test just means it has not yet been detected. Historically, the British used to say the Irish were stupid. Maybe they were correct.

366286 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 8, #996 of 1934 🔗

This story shows just how unbelievably brainwashed & stupid the sheep are now…

From the daily propaganda rag here…. I give you…this unbelievable shite…

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-mum-trapped-tradesmen-cant-19655159

366315 ▶▶ Jo, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #997 of 1934 🔗

And the star of this story is watching from her window in a fucking mask!
Anyway, she should be “staying at home”.

366354 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Jo, 3, #998 of 1934 🔗

Unless that is a selfie, she is also breaking the law!

366289 Julian, 22, #999 of 1934 🔗

Dear Supporter

It has been a very busy week for the campaign, and we’d like to share some brief highlights with you. It is thanks to supporters like you that we can get an alternative balanced view to the media and public.

It is now more important than ever to fight the evident bias in the media. The ‘unlocking goalposts ‘ seem to be shifting once more and we must forcefully challenge this.

Over the last week we have :

  • We have been featured on BBC’s The Big Questions.
  • Articles in The Scotsman and Conservative Woman.
  • Arranged a GMB slot for Lord Sumption so he could respond to criticism.
  • The campaign was referenced by Peter Hitchens.
  • Plus over 20,000 people voted in our poll on BBC bias.

Further news can be viewed on our website using this link. Read More.

Thank you

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PS We are planning further high-profile campaigns underpinned by robust PR and research data. This is only possible through your generosity — thank you!

366291 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 27, #1000 of 1934 🔗

Weird Stuff! has this been mentioned already? the ONS weekly death stats for the first week of 2021 are now published.
12254 against the 5 year average of 12175, so almost the same. So currently despite of the hysterian and hand wringing deaths are bang on average for the first week of January

However; of these 5367 had Covid as the underlying cause with a total of 6057 listing Covid in any way.
So, as presented, Covid is now around 50% of deaths, so that if we eliminated Covid the current death rate would be half the normal expected figure and we are on the way to eternal life!
Or perhaps it needs someone with a bit more statistical nous than me to pick this apart.

But anyway from a lockdown sceptics point of view, deaths running at the 5 year average = no cause for lockdowns and no cause for dramatic public health action. Time to pack up the circus and start living again.

366294 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #1001 of 1934 🔗

That is just an absolute scandal. They have framed this on the TV like January has been an exestential crisis.

366296 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1002 of 1934 🔗

I think you are reading the wrong row

Total deaths, all ages (2021) 17,751

366308 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1003 of 1934 🔗

delete

366353 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to rockoman, 1, #1004 of 1934 🔗

I would delete but once an item has comments it cannot be deleted sorry about my mistake.

366312 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1005 of 1934 🔗

You’ve mis-read the table Steve.

The total for the first week of 2021 is 17,751 . Your eye has slipped to the 2020 figure.

It is a relatively high figure (and I’ve just put my neck on the line by forecasting a January high of 16000) – but not unprecedented.

One thing to bear in mind is that this particular week often mops up under-counting from the Christmas-New Year period.

As to deaths actually attributable to ‘Covid’ – we still have no way of knowing.

366326 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to RickH, 1, #1006 of 1934 🔗

Sorry yes using old computer and misread the chart oh well cheered my up for a minute or two. They have changed the format of the chart, they did not used to put the last years figure on as well. I will duly go to the back row and put the dunces cap on!

366332 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to RickH, 1, #1007 of 1934 🔗

Oh I see the initial figues were under quoted. However as you say the relatively high figure is not unprecedented and may include figures from previous weeks. Also let’s not forget that a quite a few people are dying from lockdowns and that may also be a reason for higher figures. This often seems to be overlooked. It is still likely that a number of deaths are being put down as Covid when they are not really. You only have to look at how many cases of Covid have been reported to PHE by Drs, which is a legal requirement. At the start of January I think it was around 14k since last March out of over 60 million people, and that’s cases not deaths. It’s Covid, the disease that can be fatal for a % of vulnerable and not the virus the latter which may present as asymptomatic, to mild to a flu. Yes this 14k will have gone up during this past month but where on earth do the media and indeed the Govt get their figures from because they are way way out with the Covid cases officially reported by Drs.

366392 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to RickH, #1008 of 1934 🔗

“The total for the first week of 2021 is 17,751

Is this the week ending the 8th or 15th or some other date?

366316 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1009 of 1934 🔗

Sorry, yes my mistake having to use my old computer and misread the chart, sorry back to the drawing board!

366322 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1010 of 1934 🔗

So if overall deaths are not hugely above normal against the 5 year average, and they are attributing 50% as being due to Covid, something is clearly not right with the reporting is it. Deaths from other causes cannot miraculously have disappeared can they. The year that “flu, cancer and heart disease etc no longer killed anyone”. It’s completely ridiculous. It’s seems quite clear what is going on to anyone who has half a brain. Far too many deaths are being put down as Covid. Of course this ramps up the numbers, ramps up the fear and keeps this all going.

366342 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1011 of 1934 🔗

Hello Steve, thanks for these figures:-

The ONS weekly death stats for the first week of 2021 are now published.

12,254 against the 5 year average of 12,175,

I presume they are for England and Wales? Up to what date? Is it the 8th?

Here are the figures for January 2018 which was a particularly bad month for flu infections.

Week ending the 5th: 12,723.

Week ending the 12th: 15,050

I’m expecting that tor the week ending the15th this month the figure will be well above 15,000. We will soon know.

I think clearly a lot of deaths being put down to Covid are not caused by Covid. But those who support lockdown will of course argue it has kept genuine deaths down whether measured correctly or not.

Here is one possibility. Lockdowns have kept down genuine deaths from Covid, but have increased deaths in other ways. Here’s my thinking – the general joylessness of life coupled with a climate of constant fear causes many near the end of their lives to simply ‘give up the ghost’. Is this possible?

366472 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1012 of 1934 🔗

Total Deaths would be misleading.

Compare:
1-2021 flu+resp+pneu+CV vs flu-pneum-resp in previous years
2-Look at Heart Disease and Dementia as well previous yrs vs 2021 Jan
3-Look at deaths at home ie from not accessing the NHS (excess deaths-CV * .3 which is the % who die from, not with CV)

If you do that sort of analysis you will probably see that flu etc are 30% plus down on previous years, along with 5-10% of Heart, Dementia. This means that half of the CV dead total are not from CV.

Plus you have to account for the dead at home in Jan and a 2% aging pop.

Jan 2021 dead is not the worst year evah……Lockdowns kill but those dead are simply ignored.

366345 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Steve Martindale, #1013 of 1934 🔗

I think you’ve made a mistake. 12254 is the figure for week one of *2020*. The figure for week one of 2021 is 17751.

I’m assuming we’re talking about deaths in England and Wales.

366355 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to mattghg, #1014 of 1934 🔗

Yes indeed my mistake, I would delete my comments but cannot delete once comments are posted, sorry about that!

366292 ShropshireLass, replying to ShropshireLass, 5, #1015 of 1934 🔗

Has anyone on here joined this group? https://worldfreedomalliance.org/

366298 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to ShropshireLass, 4, #1016 of 1934 🔗

I think Dolores Cahill is involved with it – in which case it will be excellent.

366297 Lockdown Sceptic, 13, #1017 of 1934 🔗

News Roundup | NY Judge Orders Hospital To Use Ivermectin, Woman Recovers 14.30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6pm5T_E4rw

From: TrialSite News

“New York Supreme Court Judge Order: Give The Patient Ivermectin As Court Battle Leads to Ivermectin for Successful Treatment Against COVID-19:
A judge ordered the Millard Fillmore Suburban Hospital to allow an 80-year old woman to be treated with Ivermectin. According to the family their attorney, the treatment saved the life of Judith Smentkiewicz. Although not yet approved, according to court documents, the woman’s daughter referred to it as a “miracle drug,” as do her attorneys, Ralph C. Lorigo and Jon F. Minear. Apparently, a doctor ordered the drug off-label in the intensive care unit (ICU), and as she improved, she was moved to another unit, and the doctor there stepped in and disallowed the use of the drug. Family members immediately involved lawyers and legal action to resume treatment. And now, The New York Supreme Court Judge Henry J. Nowak has aligned with the family.
https://trialsitenews.com/new-york-su

Nigeria Government Making Moves to Fund Ivermectin Research Targeting COVID-19: IVERCOVID Program:
The Nigerian federal government commissioned a team of researchers to investigate the efficacy of Ivermectin as a potential treatment for COVID-19. Known as “IVERCOVID,” this group just may impact the world’s approach to treating COVID-19, at least in the developing world.
With ivermectin gaining traction as a potential treatment option, the country’s political leadership becomes ever more intrigued. For example, Vice President Yemi Osinbajo’s declared that Nigeria and Nigerians “are at the cutting edge of scientific research into the COVID-19 treatment.” Fascinated with the fact that the drug is already in use in the country to combat river blindness, the Vice President is considering how to leverage this African nation’s considerable experience and understanding of the drug given growing data pointing toward its potential benefits as a treatment and even prophylactic medication targeting COVID-19. “

366300 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #1018 of 1934 🔗

Gab’s response to the ADL and CNN

Gab has had regular contact with US federal law enforcement for years to ensure our platform is not used for unlawful purposes. Public safety is our top priority.

The ADL should be calling for an investigation into Facebook, where the protests were actually organized. Gab is great for a lot of things, but it’s not a utility for organizing events. Facebook, on the other hand, has a dedicated Events feature and there were many Event pages organizing the Jan 6th protests on their platform and several massive Facebook Groups as well.

Facebook has billions of users, up until last week our site only had about 1.5m users (although this is rapidly growing now by millions.) Facebook is also home to Facebook Messenger, which according to data is by far the largest distributor of child pornography on the internet. Funny how the ADL doesn’t seem to care about that.

Secondly, back in early December Gab put an immediate stop to a series of newly created accounts that were making threats of violence aimed at public officials. We worked diligently with law enforcement and spent several weeks warning our community about this behavior and taking swift action to remove it from our platform in the weeks prior to the January 6th protest. Our moderation and legal teams work tirelessly to ensure public safety. Threats of violence and illegal activity have no place on Gab.

For more information I encourage you to read our response letter to Senator Warner.

The ADL has NO POWER over Gab which is why they hate us. It’s that simple. There is absolutely nothing they can say or do to get us to censor opinions they don’t like. The ADL has no other way to deplatform Gab after successfully pressuring hosting providers, payment processors and more over the years to stop us from building the home of free speech online.

So now the ADL is lobbying the US government to remove us from the internet. We will never bend to their demands and we will never censor legal, 1A-protected speech that hurts the ADL’s feelings. Ever. Jesus is King.

Andrew Torba

CEO, Gab.com

January 13th, 2021

https://news.gab.com/2021/01/13/gabs-response-to-the-adl-and-cnn/

366336 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 2, #1019 of 1934 🔗

Gab are the real deal

366347 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1020 of 1934 🔗

I haven’t been able to log on, each time my server times out. Which is a shame.
I have had more success with an alternative to google, DuckDuckGo. It works well.

366398 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo, 1, #1021 of 1934 🔗

Gab been working perfectly for me – however I use the Gab browser >>>> Dissenter

366302 Victoria, 21, #1022 of 1934 🔗

Trump supporters cancel Amazon Prime subscriptions after Amazon kicks ‘Parler’ off its web hosting service and expresses support for Black Lives Matter

2021-01-18-trump-supporters-cancel-amazon-prime-subscriptions.html

366306 Jo, replying to Jo, 23, #1023 of 1934 🔗

Out with the dogs this morning and saw a woman with her dogs who I usually have a chat with. She told me her father died recently (he was in the local care home, had dementia) and it’s the funeral tomorrow. This home has managed to keep Covid out – they haven’t had one infection. Her father died of pneumonia and she was really pleased to prevent his removal to hospital near the end. She hadn’t been allowed to see him since his birthday in August – she was outside, behind a screen and not allowed to give him his birthday card and chocolate – which he loves – because it was contaminated. So in his dying days she was allowed to go in a see him for half an hour, after taking an LFT.
On his last day, her mother was allowed to see her husband for half an hour. She is in her 80s. After he died, she was told she could go in to sort through her husband’s belongings and as he has been there a couple of years, she wanted to do it in two trips. After the first one, she was then phoned and told she could not go back, the staff would put his remaining things in a bin bag which she could collect from the car park.
I know the person who phoned her and I had a long conversation with his a small number of weeks ago about the situation in the care home. One thing stuck in my mind particularly: I asked him how many of the residents have capacity and he said “about 25%”. I asked him whether he thought that people of their age, with capacity, would be better making their own decisions about risk, given all the time that has passed and contact with family missed. He told me he hadn’t really thought about it.
I wish I had remembered to mention John’s Campaign to this woman, as I don’t have contact details for her. Needless to say, she was upset by the care home rules and says she wants to do something about it. She also mentioned that the staff, though generally nice, seemed to enjoy the power they have gained in enforcing the rules.
All very depressing.

366371 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo, 10, #1024 of 1934 🔗

Stuff in a bin bag.
Disgusting.

366378 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Annie, 5, #1025 of 1934 🔗

My thoughts exactly, I was going to say the same but I was so angry I had to step away and put the kettle on.

Disgraceful. I wonder if these people reflect on their actions after each day.

366382 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Annie, 5, #1026 of 1934 🔗

I know. You imagine how much money they have coined in, then treating the family like that just after their bereavement. Plus “changing the rules” – his wife thought she could do it in two trips not to put too much pressure on herself, then gets the phone call – you can’t come back.

366314 Freddy Freethinker, 11, #1027 of 1934 🔗

Chinese president Xi Jinping, Chinese president, takes top billing among dozens of world leaders attending next week’s online Davos “summit” – although there is no sign of UK prime minister Boris Johnson among them.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/01/19/chinese-president-xi-takes-top-billing-digital-davos/

Johnson will be on childcare duties no doubt, while Princess runs the country (into the ground).

366317 Andrew K, 3, #1028 of 1934 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF_kXE-HXSQ

‘Great Reset’ in Davos at the forefront of a ‘great deception’ in the free world

366320 bebophaircut, 3, #1029 of 1934 🔗

Name suggestion for a social media site: testify.

Watch yesterday’s Delingpod interview with Charlie Ward,

366331 Jo, replying to Jo, 10, #1030 of 1934 🔗

Meant to mention in post below about care homes – woman whose father died told me that she asked the undertaker whether they were very busy, with all the covid deaths, and the reply was “no, same as this time last year”.

366428 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Jo, 2, #1031 of 1934 🔗

Well my mother died in December and we had a funeral 10 days later. Quicker than what I had heard for other funerals in previous years!

366335 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1033 of 1934 🔗

The rapists dad is to introduce new laws banning wood burners. Brilliant.

Just what the people of Wales have been screaming for this past twelve months (I made that last bit up)

The residents of country with some of the dampest housing in Europe are to be told to stop heating their homes

What a good idea

Anyway, it will do wonders for rates of respiratory illness

366367 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1034 of 1934 🔗

The man is insane.

366375 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 5, #1035 of 1934 🔗

And probably living in a very nice house.

366387 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1036 of 1934 🔗

Because…science.

366390 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1037 of 1934 🔗

Well EVERYONE in my valley heats there home with wood. I can’t see how he is going to stop it. No gas up here.

366486 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, #1038 of 1934 🔗

I still want Rapio Dadio to try and ban booze
The Taffia in Cardiff Bay would be finished

366340 DThom, replying to DThom, 16, #1039 of 1934 🔗

Does anyone else find themselves hoping to see another customer without muzzle when they visit the supermarket. Today yes at Morrisons but only one!

366403 ▶▶ rose, replying to DThom, 2, #1040 of 1934 🔗

I saw one last week in Aldi. I felt like hugging her but she wouldn’t even look at me!!

366426 ▶▶ Janette, replying to DThom, #1041 of 1934 🔗

Yes

366494 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to DThom, 1, #1042 of 1934 🔗

Yes, but they’re few and far between nowadays. The intimidation campaign seems to have forced many into compliance.

366341 davews, replying to davews, 26, #1043 of 1934 🔗

At the start of all this stuff last spring I used a slogan based on St Greta in various places, including in my email signature:
This government has stolen my life
I was told to stop using it because it caused some offence. It is now true even more than then, and in fact St Greta’s exact words ‘You Stole my Childhood’ is what many of our youngsters must be feeling now, but not for the reasons Greta had in mind.

Like many I have swings and moods, slightly down today. As a professional Engineer (with a capital E) I have been taught to examine the facts and to some extent accept an element of risk. I do not have any medical training (though wanted to be a surgeon as a kid..) but know enough about virology to make decisions in the same was as I do with my Engineering background. The policy our government and others have followed makes no sense whatsoever. Covid is obviously a nasty thing but it is not the only disease out there and to plan the next however many years around it and nothing else is nothing short of lunacy.

366351 ▶▶ Jo, replying to davews, 2, #1044 of 1934 🔗

Are you an East Berkshire sceptic?

366356 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to davews, 22, #1045 of 1934 🔗

I feel they have stolen my life, I am not allowed to work, and get no compensation for this, I am excluded from all forms of support through no fault of my own like 3 million others, and most people I know, do not care one bit.

If you had told people one year ago, that we would do this for a virus with such a low death rate people would have thought you were a mad conspiracy theorist. What I dont understand is now so many intelligent people have fallen for this. No one is concerned about the next few years where deaths from the collaterol damage will come home to roost and dwarf the covid death rate. I really feel like people have gone totally mad. I am now wondering if I will have to plan for 3 months off a year when I am not allowed to work if should the vaccines for flu or covid not work efficiently according to sage, will this be a new way of life? do I need to retrain for a career I can do from home isolated.

366370 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to davews, 10, #1046 of 1934 🔗

The funny thing about offence is, it’s a choice. You can choose to be offended, or not. If you choose not, you have made yourself invunerable to those who throw tantrums like children and have no emotional control or respect whatsoever.

If you do choose to be offended, you will likely want to call down all the violence of the state upon the person by whom you have chosen to be offended. Unfortunately, the current trend is toward protecting people from their own poor choices, lack of self reliance and personal responsibility.

Insults are just noises made by someone’s throat, and cannot harm you unless you play along and agree with the assessment. If it isn’t going to turn violent, relax, let them blather on, maybe check the time, or observe the beetroot red visage of anger and self perversion before you and use it to reinforce your own habit of not allowing yourself to appear so.

And conversely, if anyone feels insulted by something I have said, that is their problem, because it honestly is. This doesn’t mean I don’t operate with respect, I most certainly do, but there’s always someone who is going to decide to be offended by something you do or say, and nothing will change that, it is their decision, get on with your life.

366377 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Kyle Reese, 2, #1047 of 1934 🔗

Very wise words.

366450 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to davews, 3, #1048 of 1934 🔗

Agree, I’m a C.Eng and from the very start my engineering education and background started alarm bells ringing as to what was going on and I became a sceptic, which is just somebody who’s not convinced. The more the manipulation of statistics the more sceptical I became (I suspect as an engineer you also studied statistics).

366343 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 18, #1049 of 1934 🔗

Just had a phone call from my dentist.
Touting for business?
Told them they will not see me until this shitshow is over. Too harsh?

366348 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Silke David, 6, #1050 of 1934 🔗

No, make them suffer

366359 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1051 of 1934 🔗

I agree. Make them earn their money. I’m on den-plan my wife NHS. I’m pissed off because my plan entitles me to have two check ups and two hygenist appointments per year. I’ve had one check up despite still paying out the monthly fee.

366349 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Silke David, 3, #1052 of 1934 🔗

That’s exactly what I’ll be doing.

366352 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Silke David, 12, #1053 of 1934 🔗

Ok, I was already pissed of because asked for MISS David Silke. There are plenty of non-british names, even in my very white, middle class market town, so please try to understand, that someone you are calling Miss is unlikely to have David as first name!

366362 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Silke David, 3, #1054 of 1934 🔗

Apologies, I made that mistake the other week when responding to one of your posts… But, in my defence, I didn’t know you were a ‘Miss’.

366434 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 1, #1055 of 1934 🔗

No worries.

366399 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Silke David, #1056 of 1934 🔗

It’s a minefield these days-get it wrong with someone self identifying as the opposite sex and the twitter mob will be after you .

366365 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Silke David, 1, #1057 of 1934 🔗

If you are wearing a mask nobody sees you smile with those lovely teeth.

366369 ▶▶ davews, replying to Silke David, 3, #1058 of 1934 🔗

I had a delayed checkup and hygienist with my dentist in December, no issues and they didn’t even blink at my mask exemption halyard. I now have an appointment next week to discuss dentures for the teeth which dropped out during the delay, not that I am looking forward to that (or the expense…) but I don’t think you should be too harsh with them, they seem to be trying as best as they are allowed.

366374 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Silke David, #1059 of 1934 🔗

In Greece it was difficult to find a dentist for a while last year – Covid panic seemed to grip them more than the doctors.

366395 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Silke David, #1060 of 1934 🔗

No unless you (fingers crossed) need urgent treatment.

366437 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to arfurmo, #1061 of 1934 🔗

Luckily I have very good teeth!

366440 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Silke David, 1, #1062 of 1934 🔗

my 80-year-old mum called her dentist just before Christmas about a broken filling. They refused to see her, but offered to send a ‘do-it-yourself’ filling kit through the post!

366640 ▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #1063 of 1934 🔗

What did that consist of? A pair of pliers?

366358 james007, replying to james007, 22, #1064 of 1934 🔗

I don’t watch the BBC (for obvious reasons). My mum sent me a link to a story, along with her usual worries and I spent a little time in the nightmare of BBC news.

The story was about a tearful man whose wife had died of Covid, pleading with people to follow the rules because if only they did we wouldn’t have this pandemic. Linked to it was a story of a nurse who was being sent hateful messages by ‘coronavirus sceptics’, who said they didn’t care if people were dying.
This is abusive broadcasting. Manipulating emotions using blame and punishment, combined with the hope that if you did what your abuser wanted, things might be better. This is a constant stream of messaging, linking following Government rules to moral goodness and safety.
Secondly, there is no acknowledgement that alternative views of what to do may be valid. Linking any desent to conspiracy theory and madness. I am not drawing any comparisons, but dictatorships vilify opposition as insanity or treachery.
Thirdly it made me realise why there are so many compliant people.
And finally I realised that Johnson and the politburo have no intention of seriously refoming the BBC. The BBC are helping them keep control.

I wonder if we can do some mass marketing campaign around the effects of lockdown to shake things up a bit.

366385 ▶▶ Julian, replying to james007, 2, #1065 of 1934 🔗

I wonder if we can do some mass marketing campaign around the effects of lockdown to shake things up a bit.” Indeed. I’ve been trying to find a willing millionaire to seed fund it. Global govts propaganda budget is probably hundreds of millions. That’s why we’re not getting more people on our side

366394 ▶▶ matt, replying to james007, 21, #1066 of 1934 🔗

I’m afraid that I simply do not believe that A.N. Random Nurse is being sent multiple messages by people telling her that they “Don’t care if people are dying”.

366674 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to matt, #1067 of 1934 🔗

Not Duffel-Bagge again is it?

366410 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to james007, 10, #1068 of 1934 🔗

a tearful man whose wife had died of Covid, pleading with people to follow the rules because if only they did we wouldn’t have this pandemic

I do feel sorry for him, but being bereaved doesn’t excuse him for being an idiot.

366478 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to james007, 2, #1069 of 1934 🔗

Linked to it was a story of a nurse who was being sent hateful messages by ‘coronavirus sceptics’, who said they didn’t care if people were dying.

I konw it’s not nice but you sense the tide is turning!!

366363 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #1070 of 1934 🔗

all cause deaths by week below

every year we get a pre-xmas peak, then an anomalously low week (xmas reporting), then in the new year a week similar to the pre-xmas peak, then week 2 is the big peak then its all downhill from there

basically several weeks of data you cant really trust because of reporting issues

this 1st week is higher than other years – who knows what next week will be. its not a normal year

366364 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #1071 of 1934 🔗

worth saying though that this winter is nothing like the march/april peak

366379 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 2, #1072 of 1934 🔗

Becauae tens of thousands of people haven’t been expelled from hospitals – that’s why.

366396 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 6, #1073 of 1934 🔗

how much of this current winter is due to excess cancer deaths, people being made frail due to lockdown, stress, lack of sunshine etc god alone knows

366409 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 5, #1074 of 1934 🔗

Yes – absolutely.

The lack of adequate medical care in 2020 will increasingly muddy the statistical waters from now on.

Not only those whose cancer treatments and screenings were cancelled or postponed, but also those who suffered cardiovascular events such as heart attacks and storkes and who subequently suffered delayed or inadequate care.

366401 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to steve_w, 2, #1075 of 1934 🔗

Steve, great work.

There is a lot of heat and not much light around this at the moment !

Questions.
Are these the raw numbers (ie not adjusted for population increase?)
I have seen attempts to correct for aging population demographic. Has this been done ?
Pre 2010 deaths were generally significantly higher (?10-20%), any chance of including the years back to say 2000 ?

Great work, appreciated. Key in holding off some of the hysteria.

366444 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bill H, #1076 of 1934 🔗
366448 ▶▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to steve_w, 2, #1077 of 1934 🔗

This was posted here yesterday

366381 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 2, #1078 of 1934 🔗

this 1st week is higher than other years”

Not absolutely – 1997 and 2000 had higher raw figures. I’ve yet to do the population adjusted numbers.

366393 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 2, #1079 of 1934 🔗

I missed putting 2010-2020 in my first post and couldnt edit it!

yes, you are right – if I had these figures I would include them

366376 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 22, #1080 of 1934 🔗

It was the young wot dun it, The in turn old people, students, pub goers, beach goers, demonstrators, holiday makers, care workers, hill walkers, schoolchildren, and now ‘rule breakers’

Not a scrap of evidence for any of this, but then again I suppose that is the nature of hysteria

(There is evidence that NHS hospitals are responsible but lets not go there shall we)

366386 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1081 of 1934 🔗

All the time they can get away with blaming us they will because if they can’t blame us guess where the blame will end up? It’s basic stuff but seemingly beyond the MSM to see through.

366405 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1082 of 1934 🔗

Fracture the solidarity of the people by encouraging arbitrary tribalism and they’ll be too busy blaming each other to see who the real criminals are.

Incidently, this is how the big banks keep ripping people off as they argue about left & right.

366480 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Kyle Reese, #1083 of 1934 🔗

Yes the spectrum is always left,centre,right. No one ever tells these sheep to look up. Thats where the real oppression is.

366400 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to nickbowes, 8, #1085 of 1934 🔗

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366670 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to rockoman, #1086 of 1934 🔗

Obviously the virus is frightened of the alligators.

Love that graph!

366576 ▶▶ TJN, replying to bebophaircut, #1088 of 1934 🔗

That song’s very appropriate for where we sceptics find ourselves today. Also ‘Let me die in my footsteps’.

366424 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to bebophaircut, #1090 of 1934 🔗

“mostly peaceful” unlike the crazies last week.
</sarc>

366407 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 17, #1091 of 1934 🔗

Joan Collins is livid at builders without masks working and invading her quarantine!!!
“AFTER ALL, I’M ONLY 87!”
STUPID COW.

366411 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1092 of 1934 🔗

Let them eat cake!

366413 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1093 of 1934 🔗

They were outside the windows, weren’t they?

366420 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1094 of 1934 🔗

DUNNO, I COULDN’T BEAR TO READ ABOUT THE SELFISH STUCK UP PRIMA DONNA.

366414 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1095 of 1934 🔗

Cows are not exempt…

366430 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1096 of 1934 🔗

NDR tv in Germany reported that authorities get phone calls from concerned citizens that tradespeople/builders do not wear masks.
For goodness sake, if they come into your house and you are so afraid, just ask them to wear one – preferably in advance. Surely they will comply, although as there is a shortage of tradespeople, they can pick and choose their customers.
German authorities discussing more restrictions today. Really not helpful.

366441 ▶▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Silke David, 6, #1097 of 1934 🔗

Camps and Snitches and Restrictions! Oh my!

Wake up Germany, it’s happening again…..

366463 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Silke David, 13, #1098 of 1934 🔗

I’m having building work done at the moment, thankfully none of them wear masks. One has served in Afghanistan and Iraq, knows what’s going on. I asked him to help us. He said you can’t win this militarily it has to be the people and right now the people are too scared to do anything.

366408 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1099 of 1934 🔗

Has Johnson sold us by the million to the Pharma Companies for their petri dishes? After so many millions he gets a bonus.

366436 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to DanClarke, 17, #1100 of 1934 🔗

mRNA technology (if they can ever get it to work properly) is believed to be the next healthcare goldrush, as it opens the door to creating vaccines in a very short time, and leads to new and effective treatments such as a cancer cure.

In big pharma’s haste to start making bank on this new technological revolution (if they can get it to work), they have jumped the gun quite spectacularly.

Meanwhile, they have managed to pursuade the enlightened and morally upstanding politicians, proabably facilitated by generously stuffed anonymous brown envelopes (typically the prefered method in cases such as these), that the new vaccines are The Great Hope.

I suspect the politicians will be caught off guard when the whole endeavour turns into a clusterfuck of biblical proportions, and gets blamed on them because they very cleverly acquiesced full indemnity for the manufacturer.

We, however, will not be the least bit surprised. This is usually the way of things, though in this case, this may very well be the greatest ‘I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO’ the world has ever seen. And it’s all ours. At least there’s that.

366467 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Kyle Reese, 6, #1101 of 1934 🔗

Never forgive or forget

366499 ▶▶▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1102 of 1934 🔗

Agree. I have a zero tolerance policy with politicians. Because their entire class has earned it. Repeatedly and with depressing predictability. I’m not that much of a mug.

367058 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Kyle Reese, #1103 of 1934 🔗

They’re not the next big hope. They are potentially useful for accelerating early stage development for some viral infections.

Haven’t been shown to work at all in cancer yet, and are not very good at tackling bacterial infections or viruses where there is lots of antigenic drift.

They are a tool. Not a game changer.

366817 ▶▶ Suey, replying to DanClarke, #1104 of 1934 🔗

Doesn’t he (well, the UK) get a kickback from the WHO for each ‘covid’ death?

366416 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 27, #1105 of 1934 🔗

Boris begs Londoners to stay at home.
All together now: “F××××××××××K ORRRRRRRRRFFFF.
With apologies to genuine cockneys.

366418 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1106 of 1934 🔗

Agreed

366423 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #1107 of 1934 🔗

My only restriction is the weather

366473 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #1108 of 1934 🔗

Perhaps if they led by example……

366417 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 46, #1109 of 1934 🔗

Just had a call from one of the Bro’s who is taking a stint with the WW2 (I’m resting my lungs)… Eye test at Specsavers refused to take mask off, saying South African and Brazilian strain were rampent, the BBC had said so, quickly ushered in to eye test room as customer’s becoming nervous.. Manager, Optician, and two members of staff tried everything in the book to get that mask of over one hour all to know avail, one member of staff actually taking mask of and breathing heavily to convince bro all was well..a home visit is now on the cards..

366540 ▶▶ gina, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1110 of 1934 🔗

genius!

366565 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1111 of 1934 🔗

aaaah bruce – thanks for making me laugh – it’s the first time today!!
keep up with the mask and stories – they’re comedy gold! 🙂

366615 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to penelope pitstop, 4, #1112 of 1934 🔗

Can’t take the credit for this one, I’m resting my lungs but the show must go on..

366571 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1113 of 1934 🔗

Had to read this out to my other half, we’re both in stitches now. Thanks Bruce!

366621 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Kyle Reese, 3, #1114 of 1934 🔗

👍

366606 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1115 of 1934 🔗

Mr Reynolds you rock. that is all. 🙂

366618 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #1116 of 1934 🔗

I had a little help from my friends with this one..

366425 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 123, #1117 of 1934 🔗

It never ends. It’s Groundhog Day. I just went into the same Tesco in Barnstaple, North Devon and was asked by a young girl to prove I am exempt from wearing a face covering. I said No and that I’m not required to/she’s not supposed to be asking me that. The security man standing behind her said she’s just doing her job. I said No she’s not, she’s going above/outside of her job. I showed him two different government pages proving this and told him I’m fed up with ignorant staff and shoppers staring at me. He then said perhaps I should wear something so others don’t ask or stare at me. I said No, I’ll not satisfy his and others’ ignorance! He tried again to justify his colleague’s actions and I told him to stop because he was making a fool of himself, and walked off into the store.

I did my shopping and then asked for a manager. This guy was great. He admitted it was wrong to challenge me like that, said it was NOT Tesco policy to ask people for proof of exemption, assured me he’d have a word with ALL his staff, not just those at the doors, and agreed to bring up in tomorrow morning’s meeting the suggestion I had previously made to Tesco main customer serive to make it crystal clear to shoppers and staff that they are to be mindful of those who have a disability/health issue and cannot wear a face covering. As I left he immediately headed to the ‘Entry’ doors and spoke with his staff. Hopefully he told them straight and did not just laugh it off. He seemed genuine.

This is exhausting. I was anxious and shaking as I spoke to the manager.

366431 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to JohnDanny, 61, #1118 of 1934 🔗

Don’t be anxious my friend you did the right thing you can be proud of your actions says a lot about your character.. respect to you..

366439 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 29, #1119 of 1934 🔗

Thank you, Bruce, that’s very kind. It’s taking it out of me, it really is. I am a nervous wreck at times because of this.

366443 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to JohnDanny, 29, #1120 of 1934 🔗

Don’t give in my friend all on this forum have BIG respect for you..

366484 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 19, #1121 of 1934 🔗

You’re a gentleman, my friend. Thank you so much. I needed the encouragement and I’ll not pretend otherwise.

366483 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JohnDanny, 23, #1122 of 1934 🔗

I very much admire you. As I approach the shops, I feel a clenching inside and I can feel my heart pounding. What a dreadful thing, eh, when all we’re doing is going to give them our hard-earned cash!
I’m not as brave as you. Our shops don’t have ‘guards’ but still I walk through the door with a bit of flimsy scarf over my mouth before my adrenalin begains to flow, then I take it off and begin my strategy of making eye contact and beaming at as many as possible who don’t look away.
I feel worn out by the time I leave, just trying to make an issue of being ‘normal’! I don’t think I’d have your courage – I’d probably tell them where to stick their groceries and vote with my feet.

I’m glad to have you as a role model!

366533 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Banjones, 14, #1123 of 1934 🔗

Thank you, my friend. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve exploded at times. Prior to this bizarre, disgusting, unforgivable situation I had gone nearly two years without having a serious meltdown. I’ve been set back at least two years now as I’ve had several serious autistic type meltdowns during all of this, where reason and calm have completely deserted me and I have broken down and lost it in public with ignorant people, and even with my dear family.

I’m no role model. But I know right from wrong, justice from injustice.

Stay strong, my friend, and remember that YOU are in the right. You have truth on your side, and morally these people have nothing on you. You have history, truth and morality on your side. Try to hold your head up, drop the face covering and go about your business.

Easier to say, I know, and if you can’t, good people will understand.

366595 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #1124 of 1934 🔗

I know right from wrong, justice from injustice.

If you get that then you’re a role model for vast swathes of the rest of society.

And you’ll win in the end.

366735 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to TJN, 3, #1125 of 1934 🔗

Thank you, TJN, and the same goes for you, my friend.

367336 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to JohnDanny, #1126 of 1934 🔗

You’ve helped make the world a better place, I wish I could have done what you’ve done
Courage is feeling afraid/worried about doing something, and then doing it anyway. Good effort!

366474 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #1127 of 1934 🔗

So admirable. Thanks for your courage!

366445 ▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to JohnDanny, 19, #1128 of 1934 🔗

Well done – had a similar confrontation on Sunday – you are right it is exhausting but we have to keep going !!

366446 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JohnDanny, 22, #1129 of 1934 🔗

You should recognise and acknowledge to yourself that your behaviour was an act of courage committed for the benefit of everyone, which resulted in a victory in this on-going battle against the madness. Congratulations and thank you.

366495 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #1130 of 1934 🔗

Thank you, Steve. I honestly don’t see it as courageous; I simply hate the injustice of it all, and I cannot stand by and be treated like this. Right and Wrong exists. Objectively. There are thousands upon thousands of us being treated appalingly. The reason I wanted LS to publish my letter to Geoffrey Cox was that I hoped it would encourage others to write to their MPs and stand up for themselves, even if I am at times struggling to fight off the urge to give in and just stay home.

366449 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnDanny, 20, #1131 of 1934 🔗

Bravo, bravo, bravo, you stuck to your guns. Hats off, sceptics!

366739 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Annie, 2, #1132 of 1934 🔗

You’re an inspiration, Annie, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

366825 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1133 of 1934 🔗

With Annie on our side you can be sure all will come right eventually.

367007 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to TJN, 2, #1134 of 1934 🔗

Amen and Amen. She is a warrior.

366454 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to JohnDanny, 10, #1135 of 1934 🔗

JohnDanny, send me your photo, I’ll get a statue of you erected. Stood up to tyranny and won.

366746 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1136 of 1934 🔗

God bless you, sir, but, while I know you do not mean it literally, you do *not* want a picture of me. My jaw is too strong, my smile too sweet, my eyes too green… Hang on a minute!

366462 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to JohnDanny, 22, #1137 of 1934 🔗

Defying your anxiety in order to make a stand is pure courage, something that in very short supply today. To us, you are a hero, principled and determined, and perhaps you inspired others with your display of conviction too. Fantastic job.

“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” -John Wayne

366502 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Kyle Reese, 11, #1138 of 1934 🔗

Bless your heart. Thank you, Kyle.

Indeed, my hope is that others who perhaps were not previously are encouraged to stand up for themselves.

366897 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1139 of 1934 🔗

Courage is feeling the fear and doing it anyway. Remember the famous scene in Zulu when they all think Michael Caine is so cool and composed in the face of the enemy, but when he loads his revolver we see his hand is trembling uncontrollably.

366904 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1140 of 1934 🔗

Brilliant. Great film.

366471 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnDanny, 16, #1141 of 1934 🔗

JohnD, this is the lady I spoke with last week at Tesco’s. She said if I had any problems, to contact her. This is her e-mail to me on Monday with her details:

Hi K
Thank you for your email.
Yes you’re right, just saying you are exempt is enough, no further conversation is necessary.
Kind regards,
Karen Rutherford
Customer Service Specialist
On behalf of the Executive’s Office
Tel: 0800 072 6685

email address: ceo.customerservice@tesco.com

366505 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to kh1485, 5, #1142 of 1934 🔗

Thank you, K. I’ve taken the details.

366617 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1143 of 1934 🔗

Yes, if you feel angry, fire off an angry e-mail to the head office!

366554 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to JohnDanny, 12, #1144 of 1934 🔗

It is exhausting, I totally agree with you. I’m afraid that I don’t smile at people (as someone suggested) because my method is to not look at anyone. I am so angry and uptight at the moment that if I saw anyone giving me a dirty look, I couldn’t be held responsible for my actions!. It is awful when a once easy task such as shopping is now such a stressful and anger inducing trauma.

366596 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to JohnDanny, 5, #1145 of 1934 🔗

Well done for doing that – you are doing a public service for those who feel unable to speak up.

366607 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to JohnDanny, 8, #1146 of 1934 🔗

Thank you for persisting with this. I don’t wear a mask and if I had to get questioned at the moment I think I would cry or get hysterical and angry, the happy medium I’m finding difficult to find. It helps to know there is people still capable of standing up for their rights and therefore mine.

366691 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Just about sane, 5, #1147 of 1934 🔗

Please try to stay strong. You have truth on your side. Take heart in the knowledge that there are thousands upon thousands just like you, some struggling as you are, some struggling more, some struggling less, but, though it sounds clichéd given this stupid government’s insincere, cringeworthy and vapid sloganeering, we truly are in this together. What we are doing is *meaningful* and righteous.

367045 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1148 of 1934 🔗

You are a star. I hope I can be as calm as you when I next get challenged.

367120 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to sophie123, 1, #1149 of 1934 🔗

Bless your dear heart, Sophie. Oh darling, I was not ‘calm’ in the true sense of the term; I was all over the place inside and shaking outside. But I got through it because I was able to put the injustice/importance of the situation ahead of my own issues.

Don’t get me wrong, this can be difficult stroke impossible for me at times. I think the key is trying to put the disgusting nature/injustice of it all at the forefront of one’s mind. For me, providing I can call it to mind, this helps me no end.

367274 ▶▶▶▶ sam club, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #1150 of 1934 🔗

you a re inspiring to us all john .i will take your advice about thinking of the injustice . here even if have an exemption they say you have to wear a ‘ face shield ‘ the whole point of refusing to wear a mask to me is to rebel agaisn t this insane control adn giving in and wearing a face sheild is the same obedience

367382 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to sam club, #1151 of 1934 🔗

Thank you, Sam.

Here we go again. Firstly, you can tell these ignorant araeholes you do NOT ‘have to wear’ a face shield/visor. Second, point the bone idle tossers to this:

‘Face visors or shields

A face visor or shield may be worn in addition to a face covering but not instead of one. This is because face visors or shields do not adequately cover the nose and mouth.’

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own#how-to-wear-a-face-covering

366438 amandainhampshire, replying to amandainhampshire, 42, #1152 of 1934 🔗

I’ve been reading everything (including the comments) on Lockdown Sceptics for about 9 months now (like a pregnancy reaching full-term?!!) and have finally been moved to comment here myself. (I’ve been commenting instead on the TImes’ and Telegraph’s articles as so many posters on those sites are pro-lockdown and very shrill about a sceptical, alternative point of view). I’ve just finished watching the ‘New Normal’ documentary (linked above at the top of the ‘Round up’ section) and would urge everyone to spare an hour to watch it and then pass it on . It’s our only hope of getting out of this hideous version of the new normal ‘they’ have in mind for us; we also need to do as the Spanish and Italians are doing and get the police and/or military on our side to push back against these shocking abuses being visited upon us all.

I also think we need to be far more vocal in our support for Toby, Jonathan Sumption and the rest of the courageous brother-/sisterhood standing up for our inalienable human right to choose how we live our lives. It was shocking and cringe-making watching Piers Morgan aggresively ambushing Lord Sumption in the bullying, sanctimonious, unintelligent way that he did – does this pass for assertive journalism these days? (I also wanted to slap Devi Sridhar’s smug smile off her smug face – worth watching her enjoy watching Jonanthan Sumption being savaged by GMB’s attack dog, if only to see what kind of sociopaths we’re up against). It’s now abundantly clear that we have to work out a way of refusing more overtly to go along with these nonsensical restrictions, otherwise they will never end; maybe an ultimatum to the government along the lines of, ‘you have until …. to get vaccinations out to all vulnerable groups who wish to have them and then everything reopens, no ifs or buts’ (I like the idea of reusing Johnson’s rhetoric back at him too!)? This government has no intention of working for its citizens so it is our democratic right to govern ourselves until we have a Parliament which serves its people, not the other way around.

366504 ▶▶ Cathnotchas, replying to amandainhampshire, 5, #1153 of 1934 🔗

I posted earlier that I had just watched New Normal Documentary and found it very scary. I , too, also urge everyone to watch it.

366518 ▶▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Cathnotchas, 4, #1154 of 1934 🔗

It was well researched and presented, powerful stuff.

366890 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to amandainhampshire, 1, #1155 of 1934 🔗

Welcome. I don’t mean to sound defeatist, but personally I don’t think ultimata, demonstrations etc will have much impact when so many members of the public are brainwashed, and react so aggresively when being presented with any alternative viewpoint. I think we are in for a long haul – years, perhaps – before there is any end to lockdowns. Back in October I wanted to grab people and scream ‘can’t you see what’s going on?’ as I felt I was in some sort of never-ending anxiety dream from which I could not wake up. But now I realise it’s a marathon, not a sprint – I am trying to work quietly to change opinions as best I can, and trying to chip away at the foundations of this whole stinking rotten edifice.

366442 isobar, replying to isobar, 14, #1156 of 1934 🔗

The maskubaters at the Daily Mask are at it again. Thankfully the majority of those commenting are giving the reported study a good hammering as they should. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9163135/Wearing-face-masks-does-spread-Covid-19.html

366451 ▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, 9, #1157 of 1934 🔗

Proved from QUESTIONNAIRES!
Science!!!

366457 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to isobar, 8, #1158 of 1934 🔗

Yet again computer model outcomes being represented as facts. The dishonesty is off the scale.

366461 ▶▶ Joseph, replying to isobar, 4, #1159 of 1934 🔗

Bullshit.

366482 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to isobar, 2, #1160 of 1934 🔗

How come the code Http… says mask does spread , but the headline says does not spread?
To lure in anti maskers and then prove them wrong?

366488 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Silke David, 2, #1161 of 1934 🔗

Yes, I did find that strange, but I think that’s it’s more of a cock up than clever thinking!

366677 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1163 of 1934 🔗

But they protected against the original virus???? Cause I’m sure the new variant particles are even tinier (NOT).

366452 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 8, #1164 of 1934 🔗

72% of black Britons say they are ‘unlikely or very unlikely’ to get the Covid vaccine SAGE has blamed ‘structural and institutional racism and discrimination’ for vaccine scepticism among BAME communities as a recent survey found 72 per cent of black people were unlikely to have the Covid jab.
A report from the Government’s scientific advisory committee said historical issues of unethical healthcare research and systemic racism are key factors for lower levels of trust in Britain’s mass vaccination programme.
The experts were responding to a shock new poll conducted by the UK Household Longitudinal Study which found that vaccine scepticism among black, Asian and ethnic minority groups in the UK is high.
Though the study, conducted in November with 12,000 respondents, found overall high levels of willingness to be vaccinated – at 82 per cent – 72 per cent of black people said they were unlikely or very unlikely to be vaccinated.
Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Eastern European groups also said they were unwilling to take the Covid jab, while women, younger people and those with lower levels of education were also more hesitant than others.
The SAGE report concluded: ‘Trust is particularly important for black communities that have low trust in healthcare organisations and research findings due to historical issues of unethical healthcare research.
‘Trust is also undermined by structural and institutional racism and discrimination. Minority ethnic groups have historically been underrepresented within health research, including vaccines trials, which can influence trust in a particular vaccine being perceived as appropriate and safe, and concerns that immunisation research is not ethnically heterogenous.’
The findings have sparked concern among GPs who are now calling on No10 to begin a public health campaign that encourages black people in particular to receive a coronavirus vaccine.
Prof Martin Marshall, chair of the Royal College of GPs, said: ‘We are concerned that recent reports show that people within BAME communities are not only more likely to be adversely affected by the virus but also less likely to accept the Covid vaccine, when offered it.

In BOLD – says the group full of members funded by a certain american responsible for deaths of black children in Africa injected with experimental polio vaccines.

Self awareness in SAGE? Meh

366464 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to vargas99, 12, #1165 of 1934 🔗

Lower level of institutional trust, probably. Many people have trouble getting their heads round the idea that the movers and shakers may not actually have the best interests of the great majority at heart. These communities may be more cynical, however.

366469 ▶▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Waldorf, 20, #1166 of 1934 🔗

These communities may be more cynical, however.”

With good reason, and God bless them for it.

366466 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to vargas99, 28, #1167 of 1934 🔗

We can’t call the BAME community anti-vaxxers. Oh no we have to shoehorn some institutional racism into this some white man bad narrative.

366591 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #1168 of 1934 🔗

Isn’t this patronising? BAME people can’t make their own decisions, because they are victims of institutional racism.

366616 ▶▶▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Alice, 2, #1169 of 1934 🔗

Yes, but they never see it like that, just as BLM in Portland didn’t see the problem with smashing up a black neighbourhood for their ’cause’.

366470 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to vargas99, 6, #1170 of 1934 🔗

Its probably because it all looks totally suspicious.

366475 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to vargas99, 8, #1171 of 1934 🔗

Because the Blacks can smell a rat

366601 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #1172 of 1934 🔗

Yes, I meet lots of people of African and Carribean background all the time (Central and North London), and I can see that they seem to have more common sense and scepticism (not just about the lockdown and vaccines) than perhaps any other “community”.

366490 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to vargas99, 8, #1173 of 1934 🔗

” …  younger people ‘ and those with lower levels of education’ were also more hesitant than others.
The SAGE report concluded: ‘Trust is particularly important for black communities that have low trust in healthcare organisations and research findings due to historical issues of unethical healthcare research. “

See how they managed to slip in an insult there?

366520 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1174 of 1934 🔗

Well, in a (deleted?) scene in The Godfather II Michael Corleone announced that he has joined up after Pearl Harbor and Sonny asks if he went to college to become stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI5at6tGdbQ

366556 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Waldorf, #1175 of 1934 🔗

Very relevant.

366563 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rockoman, #1176 of 1934 🔗

It was certainly one of the funniest lines in the film.

366525 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bella Donna, #1177 of 1934 🔗

Joe College, as the Americans would term him, can be quite naive.

366599 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bella Donna, #1178 of 1934 🔗
366534 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to vargas99, 11, #1179 of 1934 🔗

SAGE has blamed ‘structural and institutional racism and discrimination’ for vaccine scepticism among BAME communities as a recent survey found 72 per cent of black people were unlikely to have the Covid jab.

I blame vaccine scepticism among BAME communities on that old-fashioned people thing that always used to be called “common sense”.

366539 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nick Rose, 19, #1180 of 1934 🔗

I have a friend who is a head teacher at a school that is very multi-racial. however hard he tries he just can’t get black kids interested in climate change and green issues. I suspect covidpanic and climate change are just neuroses indulged by the white middle classes – they just happen to be the most vocal

366543 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to steve_w, 5, #1181 of 1934 🔗

Fantastic, can I identify as black?

366548 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1182 of 1934 🔗

Also suspicion of “The Man”.

366594 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to vargas99, #1183 of 1934 🔗

So they have “ low trust in healthcare organisations”. really? I seem to recall around early last year, stated figures for NHS staff from a migrant background were generally significantly higher than many other industries, non-UK staff numbers was around 14% of NHS workers, this rises to almost 30% in Doctors. Provoking anti-migrant sentiment muchly?!

366581 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1185 of 1934 🔗

Apparently Biden’s rehearsal inauguration was cancelled twice, now Biden’s daughter is ‘worried’ about safety… which would be a valid concern, apart from the fact that there are more troops in one place than at any time since the Vietnam war. Seeds are being planted alright.

366651 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1186 of 1934 🔗

Is Trump much of a shot?

366682 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1187 of 1934 🔗

Personally I am assuming nothing at this point, the Dem’s are still screaming about Trump, – well, what would they really care, if he’s gone in a matter of hours? if Biden gets sworn in, surely a Congress dedicated to tolerance & equality for all, will draw up immediate articles of impeachment
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-dni-ratcliffe-releases-report-showing-china-interfered-2020-election-cia-management-pressured-analysts-not-report/

366477 LMS2, 6, #1189 of 1934 🔗

“discuss the other attacks on lockdown sceptics, argue about whether they’re coordinated (James thinks they are, Toby doesn’t)”

I suspect it’s a bit of both, i.e. coordinated.
Toby is naive about the opposition.

366481 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1190 of 1934 🔗

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-records-1-610-more-coronavirus-deaths-highest-on-single-day-since-outbreak-began-12192491

A further 1,610 people have died within 28 days of testing positive for COVID-19 – the highest number of UK deaths on a single day since the outbreak began.”

Who writes this guff?

366492 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to arfurmo, 8, #1191 of 1934 🔗

Mind you , no one dies of flu or heart attacks nowadays !

366509 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to nickbowes, 4, #1192 of 1934 🔗

Yes, in spring we still had flu deaths.
They lumped them altogether, was it from October?

366915 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Silke David, #1193 of 1934 🔗

I seem to recall that it was just after the short period in September when early flu-related deaths were outnumbering deaths with Covid by about two to one. Couldn’t have that, could we?

366498 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1194 of 1934 🔗

The biggest guff is “testing positive for COVID-19”, you can only test “positive” for SARS-CoV-2. A positive test for covid19 would be a diagnosis.

366530 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to p02099003, 2, #1195 of 1934 🔗

Don’t get too technical. It confuses poor Matthew so. Not to mention Piffle.

366507 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1196 of 1934 🔗

One has to take into consideration that they tested far less people in spring, only symptomatic. If they had tested like they do now, would spring numbers have been even higher?

366528 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Silke David, 1, #1197 of 1934 🔗

I think so yes. This beastie was circulating before we realised.

366517 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1198 of 1934 🔗

Those will be deaths stretching back at least a month, possibly longer.

366485 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1199 of 1934 🔗

urgent help needed. I have been engaged in a social media discussion about face masks – I linked to the meta analysis of face masks sued in respiratory infections published in November 2020 only to have someone link back to this – it is a Lancet study. from June 2020. https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext It appears to contaradict both the meta analysis of respiratory infections article and the Danish mask study.

366511 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Londo Mollari, -15, #1200 of 1934 🔗

If you need someone to argue your point for you, doesn’t that indicate you should change your position and accept the other person is right or even stop engaging in arguments you don’t understand?

366753 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to jb12, 3, #1201 of 1934 🔗

Actually, upon re-reading the November 17th meta analysis one of the first papers up for critique is the one posted in the Lancet. Basically dodgy methodology and non randomised control trials. When not even the so-called experts understand all the ramifications of masks, etc I guess I’m in good company (which doesn’t include you).

366776 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Londo Mollari, -2, #1202 of 1934 🔗

Glad to have prompted you to actually read what you were citing.

366515 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1203 of 1934 🔗

This link, although US based, lists several studies (but does not link to them, sadly)

https://theredelephants.com/all-of-the-best-studies-show-masks-are-useless-at-preventing-the-spread-of-covid-19/

366559 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #1204 of 1934 🔗

As far as I can tell, the Danish study was a randomised controlled trial and the Lancet study is a computer model extrapolated from WHO data. Make of that what you will.

366566 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 302 of lockdown), replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1205 of 1934 🔗

This RCT from 2015 concluded that cloth masks used in health care settings in potentially increase the risk of infection:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/

Conclusions:

 This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.

366650 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1206 of 1934 🔗

The WHO position paper on masks in December said evidence for use in the community was weak. Now, they go on to say they might work, are low cost and we should give it go. But this is experimentation, not evidence. In all this time, they cannot come up with solid empirical evidence that they do anything.

Now it’s masks on runners. They are psychotic

366487 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 18, #1207 of 1934 🔗

Medics not happy with extending period between first and second doses.
https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/immunology-and-vaccines/doctor-raises-20k-to-legally-challenge-second-dose-covid-vaccine-delay/

One line from the article is of particular interest:
He added: ‘You cannot base medicine on a political decision. Any treatment must have evidence or scientific data as its origin.’”

366527 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to p02099003, 15, #1208 of 1934 🔗

“evidence or scientific data”

Holy shit, I’ve heard of that stuff, used to be popular before 2020. Well out of fashion now though.

366546 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Kyle Reese, 4, #1209 of 1934 🔗

Lysenko would be turning in his grave

366647 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to p02099003, 2, #1210 of 1934 🔗

And then you have mix and match. Playing fast and loose with peoples’ lives for a change.

366718 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to p02099003, 2, #1211 of 1934 🔗

Ha, ha – all of this has been political or ideological!! Nothing since March has been based on hard evidence. I despair.

366489 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 43, #1212 of 1934 🔗

they lock us down for 9 months in the hope they can make a vaccine

it turns out the vaccine isn’t good enough to let us out

their stupid plan failed

should just let us out now – we have to face this sooner or later

366496 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to steve_w, 16, #1213 of 1934 🔗

I always said that if I made a business case that involved severe economic harm to the business in the hope of a potential remedy that wasn’t certain to work without any plan B i’d be sacked.

None of this has made any strategic sense.

366503 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #1214 of 1934 🔗

yes – if you don’t know what you’re doing – don’t do anything!

366522 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1215 of 1934 🔗

the problem is these people arent in ‘business’?…its the NEW business…the NEW Capitalism…….

366497 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, 5, #1216 of 1934 🔗

I’m sure there are layers upon layers of agendas swirling around, keeping us in this limbo. You’d have to be Hercule Poirot to disentangle them all.

366500 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to steve_w, 7, #1217 of 1934 🔗

And yet the vaccine is supposedly over 75% effective…at curing people who aren’t vulnerable to Covid (I.e. under 65s). How many billions of pounds?

366510 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Achilles, 10, #1218 of 1934 🔗

protects those that don’t need protection and kills those that do!

366535 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Achilles, 4, #1219 of 1934 🔗

the money doesn’t disappear though – its recycled into the pockets of the politicians

I wonder how many involved in this (politicians and SAGE) will end up as highly paid consultants to the pharmaceutical industry

366538 ▶▶▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to steve_w, 3, #1220 of 1934 🔗

The revolving door is very real.

366544 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Kyle Reese, 6, #1221 of 1934 🔗

yes, whitty and van-tam are basically pharma employees on secondment to the government

366560 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to steve_w, 3, #1222 of 1934 🔗

With absolutely no conflict of interest, of course.

It’s laughable.

366491 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #1223 of 1934 🔗

Post 1 of 2

A New Project where tax payers money is wasted – this involves getting a blood sample at 2 to 3 month intervals and saliva from children 0-19 years)

BUT you will get a £20 voucher

West Suffolk NHS Foundation Trust is researching a new way of surveying how well protected we are from infectious diseases, including Group C meningococcus (MenC), diphtheria and the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) from a representative cross section of society.

One of the ways our bodies develop protection against infectious diseases is by developing antibodies, either after an infection or following a vaccination. We would like to take a blood test from individuals aged 0-24 to measure the antibody levels against important diseases, including those that are vaccine preventable. We will be looking at population level information and would not be able to provide individual results.

This information will also help Public Health England and the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) make decisions on how they manage the COVID-19 pandemic response now and in the future.

We are not actively looking to enrol individuals with known or suspected COVID-19, but instead want a snapshot of the general population. The test will not be able to tell if there is coronavirus present at the time of sampling. It is important to understand that we will not be providing individual participants (or their families) the results of their test. Although this might seem unusual, this is an important measure to try and make this study as accurate as possible. Put simply, we do not want to recruit too many people who feel they, or their child, might have had COVID-19 and ‘want to check’. This would give us inaccurate information about the spread of COVID-19 and immunity to this virus across the whole population.

What happens in this study?

  • We are looking to enrol children and adults aged 0 to 19 years old.
  • There will be a single visit with a blood test.
  • We will ask if you would be happy to take be approached for additional blood and saliva samples at 2 monthly intervals (this is optional and the maximum number of additional visits is 3)
  • We will ask you some basic information including age, gender, vaccination history.
  • We will arrange to see you in a clinic in a location near to you or in some cases in your home.
  • Local anaesthetic skin cream can be used for children to reduce any discomfort from blood sampling.
  • The whole appointment should take around 45 minutes.

Taking part in this research study is completely voluntary.

366493 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #1224 of 1934 🔗

Post 2 of 2

This information will help PHE and SAGE make decisions on how they manage the COVID-19 pandemic response now and in the future and accordingly has been granted National Public Health Emergency Priority status by the NIHR.

They are looking at MenC, diphtheria and novel Corona virus – WHY????

https://whatsthestory.web.ox.ac.uk/suffolk

366545 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Victoria, 3, #1225 of 1934 🔗

How long are the samples kept, and who has access to them? Think DNA here.

366501 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 9, #1226 of 1934 🔗

1650 deaths reported today. Scary number, ok.
Are they going to introduce more restrictions because of this?
Sorry, but they are already dead!
It is said it takes about 3 weeks from infection to deaths.
My theory, it is all the people who held on for another christmas, and what a good time it was this time, and then die. Like every year.

366506 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Silke David, 9, #1227 of 1934 🔗

That’s average, nothing to see.

366508 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Silke David, 5, #1228 of 1934 🔗

all the numbers levelling off or going down though. as covid is less prevalent, the false positive rate goes down. deaths and those in hospital will lag due to the ‘within 28 days’ issue

366514 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Silke David, 1, #1229 of 1934 🔗

So it’s actually 400 then.

366521 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Silke David, 4, #1230 of 1934 🔗

but only 7% are actually dying directly from the PLAGUE.Its all BULLSHIT

366558 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 302 of lockdown), replying to Silke David, 2, #1231 of 1934 🔗

Based on date reported. If you look at date of death, they peaked around 12th Jan and are now dropping. Many of those 1650 will have sadly died days and sometimes weeks ago plus Tuesday always is higher due to delayed weekend reporting.

366513 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 18, #1232 of 1934 🔗

In Ireland, the zero covid proponents refuse to go away:
Time for a zero-Covid strategy, urge opposition parties https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40210046.html

It is time for the Government to “break from a failed strategy” in tackling the pandemic and unite behind a zero-Covid approach…. That is the message from People Before Profit (PBP)
Zero-Covid would mean mandatory quarantine for travellers, fines for employers found to be unwilling to let staff work from home, and a hard lockdown across the State until Covid has disappeared from the community.
PBP said it would be “very much preferable” to have the entire island pursuing the same strategy but that it is “not absolutely critical”.
“What’s necessary is the political will to get us out of this dire cycle of surge and lockdown and create green zones where you eliminate community transmission and then people can actually start to live a life again,” Mr Boyd Barrett said.
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Their plan is to avoid rolling lockdowns by er, extending the current lockdown. Harder means everything closed except essential food / pharma / banks. Harder also means Chinese style enforcement with people locked in their homes if necessary. Border control also means internal border control as well as International and Northern Ireland borders. They think this would be for an extra three to four weeks but have nothing to back up this assumption. They don’t seem to understand that the virus is endemic in society. Their plan, if adopted, would require permanent lockdown until an effective vaccine is fully rolled out (which might be never).

366627 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 9, #1233 of 1934 🔗

PBP gained their base during the banking crisis and I admired them for it. During Covid they’ve been horrendous. Some good defence of workers in factories and food production but their overall message is that Ireland should be New Zealand. Lock down everything for 8 weeks, heavy enforcement, huge bailouts for everyone and maskage galore. Look at their plan for Zero Covid and you can see its virtue signalling crap. Nothing achievable just the vague promise that this all goes away by staying at home for 8 weeks. Again. That if only we’d done it right and it was the bug business owners who forced the relaxation in the summer.

They also rant against anti lockdown protestor as alt right, far right, as nazis almost. They’ve no idea.

They sit on my local council and in October they made a big push to have free masks handed out in town. That was their big idea. Bellends the lot of em. They are so far down the rabbit hole they will never want to open up again.

366645 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1234 of 1934 🔗

Aussies locked the country for 8 months and it’s still coming back.
What else do they need to know to understand that their idea is unrealistic, idiotic and catastrophic?!

366655 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JayBee, 5, #1235 of 1934 🔗

And it’s summer there. Just wait until the fall/winter season.

366713 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1236 of 1934 🔗

Yes, I warned my friend (though probably not for much longer) in Melbourne, who loves Chairman Dan Andrews and the lockdown, that he should enjoy his freedom while it still lasts, as I expect them to be locked down again before the end of summer and then it will last all the way into September or October. Wouldn’t be surprised if Saint Jacinda of Covid does this to New Zealand (at least Auckland) as well.

People just don’t get it. When it’s ideological, as opposed to any kind of actual evidence (!!), common sense goes out the window. Zero Covid is totally ideological – nothing scientific about it. I just wish actual scientists would speak up and call this out for what it is.

366642 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1237 of 1934 🔗

Same in Germany.
They just put together another pamphlet and are getting airtime in the woke bibles, Zeit&co.
Two of its authors are commies Merkel listens to, in addition to 6 (!) others she listens too (no economist, sociologist, psychologists etc. of course), another one is the German Greta.
Politicians should read what SWPRS.org found out a while ago already about Zero Covid countries, instead of reading this fictitous, mad 3rd part of Don Quijote.

366516 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 26, #1238 of 1934 🔗

Good analysis by Sarah Knapton in today’s Telegraph. Excess deaths so far this winter are running at just over 12,000, which is a long way short of the 61,000 excess reported in the spring. When viewed in this context, the “second wave” really is more like a second ripple. The 12,000 excess will include deaths resulting from failure to treat heart attacks, strokes and other conditions – i.e. deaths caused by the impact of the lockdown. The failure of health officials, such as Yvonne Doyle, and the mainstream media to put the mortality data into context pretty much amounts to a conspiracy in my view. No doubt some of them are motivated to demand ever tighter measures to try to save the face of the NHS, which this winter is under particularly heavy strain because of staff absenteeism; but I suspect others see this as an opportunity to usher in the authoritarian nanny state they have long craved. People will eventually rebel, but by then the cost of the damage might well be irretrievable.

366523 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to JamesM, 8, #1239 of 1934 🔗

good post! everything in context – this winters deaths are not excessive even if they are above average and we don’t know (but suspect) how many are due to the lockdown

366532 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JamesM, 11, #1240 of 1934 🔗

The failure of health officials, such as Yvonne Doyle, and the mainstream media to put the mortality data into context pretty much amounts to a conspiracy in my view.”

And the govt. Yes, a conspiracy in the sense they are lying and some of them may be collaborating with one another, though I think there are different agendas at play between the various parties to this

366524 Sarigan (Day 302 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 302 of lockdown), 5, #1241 of 1934 🔗

The Empirical Case for a Mask Mandate Lacks Scientific Grounding

https://www.aier.org/article/the-empirical-case-for-a-mask-mandate-lacks-scientific-grounding/

366839 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Sarigan (Day 302 of lockdown), #1242 of 1934 🔗

Don’t really agree with that as it is arguing that there has already been so many gains from current mask-wearing that there is not much scope for further gains. In reality, there’s very little evidence that mask-wearing at all makes any difference.

366529 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 7, #1243 of 1934 🔗

Don’t worry LDS’s just remember what “Brian” taught us:

Always look on the bright side of life, te-tum, te-tum, te-tum. te-tum.

And remember what Boris taught us:

We will “Build Back Better”.

Unfortunately you can’t BBB until you have demolished everything that is now standing – there just isn’t any room.

You WILL be happy.

366537 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Old Bill, 14, #1244 of 1934 🔗

This technocratic fantasy is never going to work and the perpertrators of this outrage will hang.

It’s that simple.

366575 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Kyle Reese, 4, #1245 of 1934 🔗

I do hope you are right.

366593 ▶▶▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Old Bill, 4, #1246 of 1934 🔗

More and more will join our cause. We are the tip of the spear. We don’t need everyone on board, just that hundredth monkey .

366883 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Kyle Reese, #1247 of 1934 🔗

I hope so.

366547 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Old Bill, 3, #1248 of 1934 🔗

I have already switched my investments from pharma into heavy demolition equipment.

366578 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1249 of 1934 🔗

Hmm? All investment tips gratefully received.

366551 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1250 of 1934 🔗

I’m most definitely not happy.

366582 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to FenTyger, 1, #1251 of 1934 🔗

Failure to be happy will be construed as dissent.

366586 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Old Bill, 3, #1252 of 1934 🔗

People will be hanged by the neck until they cheer up.

366585 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Old Bill, 6, #1253 of 1934 🔗

There was a story about a communist addressing a crowd. He was promising them lots of things, and at one point said, ‘After the revolution you will have strawberries and cream after every meal’.

Someone from the crowd responded, ‘But I don’t like strawberries and cream’.

His response was, ‘Comrade, after the revolution you will like strawberries and cream’.

Get it?

366587 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Basileus, #1254 of 1934 🔗

Sounds unlikely to me.

366590 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Waldorf, #1255 of 1934 🔗

Someone who doesn’t like strawberries and cream – very unlikely.

366613 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1256 of 1934 🔗

I’m West Country – and I can eat a whole carton of clotted cream on its own and it’s just willpower that stops me doing so LOL.

366620 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1257 of 1934 🔗

The context in which it supposedly happens is not explained, but in any case a Communist agitator (say, in an election campaign) or a functionary in a socialist state is more likely to have promised something else. Less luxurious. For example in an immediate postwar election campaign in Hungary, in 1947 or thereabouts, the main election poster used by the Hungarian Working People’s Party showed a slice of bread. At that point inflation was gigantically high in the country.

366668 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Basileus, 2, #1258 of 1934 🔗

I always like the story of some 1970s trade union boss who was criticised for driving a Rolls Royce by a journalist. ‘You’re no different to a Tory,’ came the accusation. ‘Comrade,’ he replied, ‘the difference is I want everyone to drive a Rolls Royce.’

366531 Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #1259 of 1934 🔗

Build Back Better Video Goes VIRAL! / Hugo Talks #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQgF-5hqaSE

366536 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 16, #1260 of 1934 🔗

I don’t know whether my eyesight is going, but every time I see Davos I read it as Davros (inventor of the Daleks)

366541 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to p02099003, 6, #1261 of 1934 🔗

Funny that, every time I see Schwab I think he looks like Davros.

366550 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Kyle Reese, 9, #1262 of 1934 🔗

and every time i see Whitty i think he looks like Gollum

366542 ▶▶ Janette, replying to p02099003, 2, #1263 of 1934 🔗

I always think of that too!

366573 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to p02099003, 6, #1264 of 1934 🔗

Every time I see Hancock referred to as ‘Mandy’ I think the comment refers to Peter Mandelson and think, oh God is he back that’s all we need.
For the youngsters among us, he was Blair’s creepy sidekick.

366589 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to bluemoon, #1265 of 1934 🔗

Why is he called ‘Mandy’ – it’s an insult to Diane Morgan.

366636 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Old Bill, #1266 of 1934 🔗

Short for Mandelson? If that’s who you mean.
If you mean Hancock, ask Cecil (I think that’s the name of the poster anyway)

366639 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to bluemoon, 2, #1267 of 1934 🔗

No, I know who Mandelson was. Evil, certainly, but a rank amateur compared to Hancock.

366747 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to p02099003, #1268 of 1934 🔗

In one of the Dalek stories, Davros appeared, alluded to by the planetary population as “The Great Healer.” Revelation of the Daleks. Season 22

366555 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 13, #1269 of 1934 🔗

Thread about Matt Hancock on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/MoriartyProfJ/status/1349671862104711169

It is worth starting a @MattHancock thread. If he wasn’t such a psychopath, liar and fraudster he would be funny

As Toby might say, worth viewing in full.

366562 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1270 of 1934 🔗

very good. I’d heard about but not seen the clip of hancock crying because the vaccine arrived. he must feel like a proper charlie now he’s admitted it isn’t good enough to get us out of lockdown

366867 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to steve_w, #1271 of 1934 🔗

I doubt he’s got the capacity to feel anything much.

367053 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #1272 of 1934 🔗

Nah he was crying with joy at the thought of his bank account!

366574 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1273 of 1934 🔗

The phrase They banality of evil’ springs to mind

366637 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1274 of 1934 🔗

Doesn’t it just?

366608 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1275 of 1934 🔗

Thats a hilarious thread.

367051 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, #1276 of 1934 🔗

Spotted this there:
I’ve just heard that 4 shops in the area I live in are considering opening on the 30th Jan as they have nothing to lose now. I would support them.

366557 p02099003, 1, #1277 of 1934 🔗

From the the Big Brother Combine
“Today’s rising number of UK deaths was to be expected, sadly, after the surge in cases during December. Why? The logic eludes me. Does everyone who tested positive in December take 3-4 weeks to succumb?
And it is likely that the coming weeks will see figures even higher than this.
Today’s numbers are, though, inflated by the fact that delays registering deaths over the weekend tend to lead to higher figures being reported on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.
On average, the UK is recording more than 1,100 deaths a day.
To put that in context, at Christmas it was less than half that.
But there are two chinks of light in the daily update.
Firstly, the number of cases is below 40,000 – for a third day in a row. At the turn of the year it was touching 60,000 new diagnoses . Conflating test results (cases) with diagnoses.
That means, in the coming weeks, we should start to see fewer hospitalisations and, eventually, deaths. See comment 1 above
The number of vaccinations also continues to rise.
It seems unlikely the NHS will manage its target of two million doses a week just yet.
But each increase at least takes us one step closer to getting on top of the virus.”

366561 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1278 of 1934 🔗
366588 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1279 of 1934 🔗

Except that ‘Covid denier’ is a term to be used like ‘racist’, ‘anti-vaxxer’ or ‘conspiracy theorist’ – it aims to take legitimate concerns and arguments and frame them as something they are not.

366827 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jb12, 2, #1280 of 1934 🔗

it’s certainly a word with pejorative connotations, but I proudly hold my hand up to being a covid denier. I think we are dealing with a lie on such a monumental scale that if you call it out you look like a complete nutcase. I’m calling it out. This is a lie on a monumental scale.

366564 Mark76, replying to Mark76, 4, #1282 of 1934 🔗

Hancock’s in isolation with the Coof again. What is this… Third? Fourth time?

366864 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Mark76, 1, #1283 of 1934 🔗

Wish he’d stay in bloody isolation forever.

366569 Edward, 8, #1284 of 1934 🔗

Here’s a photo of Derby Arena at 3.20pm this afternoon. Supposedly it’s being used as a mass vaccination centre. My observations:
Upper car park empty.
Lower car park, about 30 cars, but no comings and goings so I assume these would belong to employees at the Arena or other businesses in the area. (As an aside, the five or six electric charging points were all unoccupied.)
The vehicle in the photo belongs to DHU Health Care and somebody was loading a white refrigerated box into it. I assume this was either a box of vaccines being distributed on to another site, or an empty box being returned for refill. Either way, there were no signs of mass vaccination activity. Nobody going in or out apart from this box activity.
Looking up “Derby Arena vaccination centre” online mostly produces stories from last year about what’s going to happen. This is characteristic of news management combined with shoddy journalism – plans and proposals are announced with a big splash, but there isn’t much following up to report what’s actually happening.

366570 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 29, #1285 of 1934 🔗

So today I am reading Malcolm Gladwell’s “Outliers” which opens with the story of the small town of Roseto, Pa.

Intrigued by the extremely low incidence of disease in Roseto, including no coronary artery disease in anyone younger than 55, medical researchers in the 1960s dedicated themselves to studying this phenomenon. The results shocked them. Rosetans did not follow a healthy diet and obesity was prevalent; they did not exercise; smokers were everywhere. Their relatives living elsewhere had a high incidence of disease, ruling out a genetic explanation. Nearby towns with the same climate and environmental influences had an incidence of heart disease 3 times that of their Rosetan neighbours.”

The answer seemed to lie in the unique social structure of Roseto.

“With no answers offered by the medical research team, social scientists were consulted. They described a unique sharing of experiences that defined the town’s social structure. They discovered a feeling of trust and security among Rosetans because the people of the town always had someone they knew and who knew them to turn to for support. They concluded that the extraordinary health of this unique population could only be explained in terms of “extended family” and “community.””

Let’s hope nobody ever does a reverse Roseto-like experiment, eh, where they try to engender distrust, insecurity and months of enforced isolation on the subjects, lord knows how it might affect their health and life expectancy. Oh hang on

366579 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 3, #1286 of 1934 🔗

It’s such a phenomenal mess

366602 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 4, #1287 of 1934 🔗

The government have constantly told they are following the science, so it must be deliberate.

366693 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, -3, #1288 of 1934 🔗

You don’t know what their motives are.

366572 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 6, #1289 of 1934 🔗

So today we have had 1650 deaths today and handcock sitting at home after being pinged by the now forgot about track and trace app.

What’s in the pipeline now, full lock up on the basis that all of us are walking infested zombies, track and trace to be used at supermarkets?

366577 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 8, #1290 of 1934 🔗

Whatever they’ve got goes away by switiching off phone. A lite version of such a drastic measure can be used as a bridge, that being leave your phone at home.

366597 ▶▶ alw, replying to stefarm, 9, #1291 of 1934 🔗

The truth as seen elsewhere.

”1610 people haven’t died today! Again this is misleading reporting. This is deaths reported, not died in a day. I’m not doubting a lot of people have died, which is clearly tragic, but in the second wave the highest daily figure is actually 1064 so why keep reporting these misleading figures!!”

366644 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to alw, 4, #1292 of 1934 🔗

Indeed, but we know the average punter will not question it.

366692 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to alw, 3, #1293 of 1934 🔗

Well, yes and no. Around 1600 people die every day anyway in the UK. It’s no big deal.

366920 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to alw, 1, #1294 of 1934 🔗

The official UK corona dashboard is actually quite good for the numbers whether you believe them or not a little snippet from the last week to demonstrate how they adjust the numbers on a daily basis as deaths are reported:

Yesterday Today
17/01 166 675
16/01 460 787
15/01 643 833
14/01 939 1000
13/01 977 1018
12/01 1019 1052
11/01 1041 1064
10/01 955 959

367260 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to alw, #1295 of 1934 🔗

Don’t forget the flu and other medical probems.

366580 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1296 of 1934 🔗

More disturbing news from Israel:

Coronavirus in Israel: Cabinet meets on lockdown extension Over 10,000 new cases recorded in 24 hours * Death toll stands at 4,049 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/coronavirus-israel-registers-record-of-10000-new-cases-in-a-single-day-655930

Excerpts (my emphasis):

“We find ourselves in the middle of a close race between the vaccination campaign and the rising morbidity in the world because of the mutations,” Netanyahu said at the beginning of the meeting.
… Defense Minister Benny Gantz said that with proper law enforcement and discipline it will be possible to exit the lockdown within seven to nine days. He also asked for the vaccination campaign to be extended high school students ages 16-18 , in order to ensure that matriculation exams can happen and to discuss the issue of green passports .
During the meeting, coronavirus commissioner Prof. Nachman Ash said that between 30 and 40% of the current cases are infected with the British strain .

Elsewhere : Netanyahu referred to a mass wedding in the ultra-Orthodox city of Bnei Brak Monday night that violated lockdown rules, describing it as a “bloodletting.”

366583 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1297 of 1934 🔗

Netanyahu must be loving this, it’s saved his ass.

366584 ▶▶ jb12, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1298 of 1934 🔗

The incompetence just keeps on spreading, and using the same language too!

366592 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1299 of 1934 🔗

One of the stresses in Israeli life is the gulf between secular Jews and pious Jews.

366625 ▶▶ Julian, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1300 of 1934 🔗

I have no clue whether mutations make any difference to the vaccine’s efficacy (I believe it does for flu but that’s not a coronavirus) though one wonders how many mutations were present in the subjects they tested it on

Either way, punting all your money on the vaccine was always madness

366678 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Julian, 2, #1301 of 1934 🔗

If covid deaths are centred around the expected age of deaths then there won’t ever be a detectable difference in the death rate surely (except for seasonal variation and the mounting collateral lockdown death toll). They are looking for something that cannot be found because death is normal. Perhaps I’m missing something.

366815 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #1302 of 1934 🔗

nope. it’s everyone else who’s missing something. that is the one key piece of data of interest. everything else is just noise. of course now we might actually start to see a spike – LD related deaths, vaccine related deaths, and the population has been wonderfully primed to accept these as covid deaths

367030 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #1303 of 1934 🔗

This isn’t about a vaccine. That’s just a sideline, another money spinner for the inner circle.

366635 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1304 of 1934 🔗

“I wanna kill the bride”

366641 ▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 9, #1305 of 1934 🔗

Seems to me that “case”/death count increases are happing in countries that are going to town jabbing people. Must just be a coincidence!

366598 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 40, #1306 of 1934 🔗

How deranged is this? Now try telling me we’re not being set up for the long-term. If you’ll permit a gambling metaphor, one might call it ‘the long con’!

No, how about I act like I’ve *not* got it, and you a) Sod off, and b) Act like you have a rational mind and a moral compass!

366600 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to JohnDanny, 10, #1307 of 1934 🔗

That’s like an advert for Lockdown Sceptics. I like it.

366611 ▶▶ Edward, replying to JohnDanny, 13, #1308 of 1934 🔗

And the text “Stick to the rules to stop the spread” feeds the narrative that “the rules” will prevent infection so its continuing presence must be due to the non-compliant.

366646 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Edward, 7, #1309 of 1934 🔗

Some rubbish government advert was on Talk Radio today, saying ‘bend the rules and people will die.’

366653 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Cranmer, 13, #1310 of 1934 🔗

That advert is appalling and blatant terror propaganda

366797 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1311 of 1934 🔗

Abandon cancere treatment and people will die. Correction, have died.

366700 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Edward, 3, #1312 of 1934 🔗

Indeed. It is utterly circular. Great point.

366629 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #1313 of 1934 🔗

I’m just glad they didn’t want us to do that for Mad Cow Disease.

366704 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #1314 of 1934 🔗

Meuh!

366745 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 2, #1315 of 1934 🔗

Pull the udder one!

366633 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to JohnDanny, 19, #1316 of 1934 🔗

To act like I have got a disease with a 99.7% survival rate I would have to ignore every evil diktat they have put in place and go about my life normally.

366663 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Old Bill, 4, #1317 of 1934 🔗

Exactly

366658 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to JohnDanny, 11, #1318 of 1934 🔗

I saw the ad at Charing Cross Station. Why don’t they just ramp it up to
You’ve got it. Fuck off and die.

366667 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #1319 of 1934 🔗

Time to get those graffiti artists in!

366676 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JohnDanny, 8, #1320 of 1934 🔗

Vicious propaganda like this is going to be deeply embedded in the collective psyche for many years to come. Based on what we have witnessed so far in 2021, there can be no plans for changing course any time soon.

366806 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #1321 of 1934 🔗

It makes no sense, if it’s that deadly and atrocious. No one would need to tell you to “act like you’ve got ebola” would they, because you’d bl**dy well know about it.

366869 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1322 of 1934 🔗

Indeed. It’s all about pretending. They consistently give the game away. Think about it. They’re not overly subtle. It’s not difficult to work out, yet for some reason the public are falling for this bollocks.

367257 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #1323 of 1934 🔗

That is Big Brother 1984 in full dress. Despicable.

366603 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 26, #1324 of 1934 🔗

Is this the worst most corrupt government/Parliament we’ve ever had, the fact that they had the lockdown advertising campaign in the pipeline in January 2020 says a lot.

366624 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DanClarke, 17, #1325 of 1934 🔗

I am not a historian but I would think so, yes

PM is the worst PM since before Walpole

I can’t think of any government that has done so much damage to our own country

The same probably applies to most rich world govts

366631 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Julian, 13, #1326 of 1934 🔗

Walpole my eye. You have to go back to William the Conqueror to find a government that has done more damage to the country than this one.

Historically William only harried the north, this lot observe no such boundaries.

366632 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Old Bill, 12, #1327 of 1934 🔗

True. I loathed Thatcher but never thought she was an incompetent. Johnson and co. however…

366664 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Old Bill, 4, #1328 of 1934 🔗

Walpole was the first PM

Worst leader I would agree you’d need to go back further

I dare say William had his merits

Caligula?

366703 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Julian, 3, #1329 of 1934 🔗

Caligula’s horse did a lot less damage.

366744 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Julian, #1330 of 1934 🔗

I failed history.

366687 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Old Bill, #1331 of 1934 🔗

I think you mean ever.

Governance in the modern sense of the word didn’t really exist though at that time though did it?

366748 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to John P, #1332 of 1934 🔗

I refer my learned friend to the answer I gave earlier.

367248 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Julian, #1333 of 1934 🔗

Boris is a toffee nosed snob.

366649 ▶▶ leggy, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1334 of 1934 🔗

Where did you see that Dan?

366698 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to leggy, 2, #1335 of 1934 🔗

I’ve tried to find the article, sorry, but it’s been mentioned a few times.

366723 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1336 of 1934 🔗
366741 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Richard O, #1337 of 1934 🔗

Thanks!

367247 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to DanClarke, #1338 of 1934 🔗

Hancock was already gearing up for lockdown aa early as February. Perhaps earlier.

366605 Lockdown Sceptic, #1339 of 1934 🔗

Asia’s Climate Ambitions
Tony Heller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMzgsxZxwzQ

366619 Puddleglum59, replying to Puddleglum59, 2, #1341 of 1934 🔗

Is someone keeping a list of the hospitals who have responded to FOI requests. It would be good to see these in the same place. In recent days I have seen a couple on Twitter where 6 patients in one hospital and 1 in another were officially diagnosed as deaths due to COVID-19 between March 2020 and the end of the year.

366991 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Kyle Reese, 1, #1343 of 1934 🔗

Thanks for this – some interesting replies

366622 Basileus, 6, #1344 of 1934 🔗

California Halts COVID Vax: Adverse Reactions At ‘Unusually High Number’

https://principia-scientific.com/california-halts-covid-vax-adverse-reactions-at-unusually-high-number/

As the suspected death toll attributed to COVID-19 vaccines rises around the world, with dozens already reported in the US and Norway , California health officials have asked health-care providers in the state to immediately stop administering a batch of Moderna COVID-19 jabs after an “unusually high number” of adverse reactions were linked to it, according to RT .

366638 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #1345 of 1934 🔗

When is the government going to start publishing the coronavirus vaccine related death figures, ie, the number of people who have died with the vaccine?

366643 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Steve Hayes, 24, #1346 of 1934 🔗

very elderly frail people who die within 28 days of the vaccine have simple died naturally of old age – unlike the very frail elderly people who have died within 28 days of a positive PCR test – they are victims of the pandemic and could have been saved – if people would just follow the rules!

366656 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1347 of 1934 🔗

Yes I was wondering that. Other countries have reported deaths so how aren’t we? Does that suggest we have had none?? I think not!

366665 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Janette, 4, #1348 of 1934 🔗

I know of someone who died the day after their 2nd jab. As far as I’m aware, it’s not even being investigated.

366669 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to leggy, #1349 of 1934 🔗

What is the official cause of death?

366699 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, #1350 of 1934 🔗

Presumably not Covid.

366716 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, #1351 of 1934 🔗

altogether now: one – two – three…….

366737 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1352 of 1934 🔗

Still waiting to hear. Will report back when I find out.

366671 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, #1353 of 1934 🔗

How do the CDC populate their database? No UK equivalent?

366666 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Janette, 11, #1354 of 1934 🔗

More than four million people vaccinated so far and apparently (judging by the government’s silence) nothing amiss, certainly no deaths. Yet, Norway with just twenty-five thousand vaccinated has thirty deaths. So in Norway the risk of vaccine related death is more than one in a thousand, and here it is zero.

367242 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Steve Hayes, #1355 of 1934 🔗

Luck of the draw?

366685 ▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, -8, #1356 of 1934 🔗

Flippant.

366705 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John P, 8, #1357 of 1934 🔗

I have no idea why you would assume I would be flippant about the most serious act of harm ever inflicted upon the people of this country by its own government.

366951 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Steve Hayes, #1358 of 1934 🔗

The German occupiers of the Channel Islands didn’t treat the population so badly.

366707 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1359 of 1934 🔗

some time never

366648 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1360 of 1934 🔗

Sent an e-mail supporting teh lockdownsceptics cause to Edinburgh University main press contact as you cannot contact Devi Sridhar direct.

Their PR and Media manager has actually replied and says “Thank you for your message, which I have flagged to Professor Sridhar.”

If she ever answers I’ll post it.

366652 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1361 of 1934 🔗

Did you ask her how it is that she has never heard of QALYs?

366654 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1362 of 1934 🔗

Or how she has been shocked by the existence of t cells

366683 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1363 of 1934 🔗

Kept it simple for her.

366701 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1364 of 1934 🔗

She is a professor of public health. A first year undergraduate in the subject would know about QALYs.

366941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1365 of 1934 🔗

She almost zero biology background.

367021 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom in Scotland, #1366 of 1934 🔗

She has the same qualification as Nick Clegg ………

366659 DThom, replying to DThom, 4, #1367 of 1934 🔗

What a disgusting article by Ian Birrell against Lord Sumption in the DM today.
He doesn’t really understand what he is talking about!

366673 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DThom, 8, #1368 of 1934 🔗

Are you sure he does not understand? Or is it wilful misunderstanding?

366679 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1369 of 1934 🔗

It’s possible someone who is really thick wouldn’t understand, or someone in the heat of the moment

But a professional journalist, writing a piece in a paper? No

Wilful – virtue signalling, pursuing an agenda

366681 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, -1, #1370 of 1934 🔗

It’s impossible to say either way.

366660 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 4, #1371 of 1934 🔗

The Gov Covid figures are fascinating in their ability to be used for PR.

Reported deaths

366661 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to mhcp, 10, #1372 of 1934 🔗

Actual deaths (weekly)

366662 Ross Hendry, 11, #1373 of 1934 🔗

Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi pulls no punches in this interview.

https://vimeo.com/498561475

Please share. The sheeple need to see this before it’s too late and the growing totalitarianism is irreversible.

366672 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 7, #1374 of 1934 🔗

The government’s fear offensive has been pretty thorough, but I do feel they have missed one trick – noise.
From the beginning of warfare screaming at the enemy has been a tried and tested tactic, even the nazis attached sirens to stuka dive bombers to instill fear in the opposition.
Bring this forward into the 21st century and you can imagine attaching speakers to a drone (Derbyshire plod have got loads of them apparently) and then broadcasting non-stop loud music all over the country.
For example where I live there are quite a few oldies, so send over a drone broadcasting loud rap records (or one record would do because they all sound the same) and I would never leave the house again.
Similarly, for an area inhabited by millenials, a mix track of ‘easy listening’ music from Andy Williams and Des O’Connor would have a similar effect.

There could be problems of course, if plod dispatch the drone to the wrong area by mistake you could end up with a nationwide street party – wouldn’t that be great!

366743 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Steve Hayes, #1376 of 1934 🔗

Hey! I’ve got a cardigan just like that!

366831 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Old Bill, 4, #1377 of 1934 🔗

Where I live, the noise of sirens is pretty relentless now. The increase began just at the start of the first lockdown last year, and it’s been the same with each subsequent one. It can’t be coincidence- with next to no traffic on the road last March, there was nothing to impede the ambulances, and hence no reason for the sirens to be sounded. The noise drives me fucking mad…just like it was supposed to, I guess. And to ramp up the ‘fear’ factor.

366919 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Nymeria, #1378 of 1934 🔗

Definitely- I never once thought it was for anything but making people scared – anyone out there want to own up to having done this?

367016 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nymeria, #1379 of 1934 🔗

Can’t remember when I last heard a siren – and where I live there are plenty of people in their 70s and 80s.

367042 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Nymeria, #1380 of 1934 🔗

i’ve noticed the sirens also ramping up since early last year – going all the time! I don’t think it’s a coincidence – i think they blue light every job.

366892 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Old Bill, #1381 of 1934 🔗

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.

366900 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Old Bill, #1382 of 1934 🔗

From the beginning of warfare screaming at the enemy has been a tried and tested tactic, even the nazis attached sirens to stuka dive bombers to instill fear in the opposition.”

And the Scots have the bagpipes…;-) make of that what you will. 🙂

367238 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Old Bill, #1383 of 1934 🔗

Old school SKA would be great.

366675 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 32, #1384 of 1934 🔗

How convenient! No awkward questions about what is the point of the vaccines if they do not lead to the lifting of any restrictions for a couple of weeks.

Was at a big hospital today (it has been on TV) – no ambulances at A+E, no panic, staff acting normally. No dead bodies in the corridors and so on.

I had to go to one of the operating theatres to collect a load of equipment, free faced but with a scarf round my neck ready just in case and lanyard sort of showing and got talking to the staff while waiting -all sceptics, no problems with me not wearing a face covering, they only wear one as it’s that or be sacked, not wanting teh avccine, nothing happening that is out of the ordinary for this time of year, operations going on as normal, patients being wheeled in past us to be prepped saying hello and no complaints about by bare face and so on.

I must have been in an alternative universe today.

I’ve also complained about ITV news yesterday:

“I wish to complain about your “news” broadcast at 18:30 on the 18th January 2021.

In the segment by your health correspondent, in an interview with one of the doctors about what was happening in the ICU with “covid-19” the doctor stated “we are seeing whole families wiped out”.

This comment was not challenged by your correspondent nor were any corroborating or supporting facts supplied.

Therefore this comment is either:

1 – a deliberate gross exaggeration by the doctor aided and abetted by your correspondent

or

2 – a deliberate falsehood by the doctor aided and abetted by your correspondent

or

3 – a deliberate attempt to increase the fear in your viewing population in what can only be described as psychological propaganda to drive the Government’s official narrative forward

So which is it?

I also look forward to an official retraction of this statement and an explanation during one of your broadcasts.

I will also forward this e-mail to OFCOM with an official complaint if a satisfactory answer from yourselves is not forthcoming within 7 days.”

Will post any reply.

366813 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1385 of 1934 🔗

Remember that Tuesday is the day they go fishing down the back of the sofa to find all the people they missed out on Sunday and Monday. They forget to mention that on the news!

366680 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 23, #1386 of 1934 🔗

Next time I go food shopping and it comes time to pay, I’m just going to tell the cashier to act like I’ve paid.

366694 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hubes, 8, #1387 of 1934 🔗

But if they don’t stock what you want, will they tell you to act like you’ve got it?

366695 ▶▶ John P, replying to Hubes, 4, #1388 of 1934 🔗

Good one !

366684 isobar, replying to isobar, 7, #1389 of 1934 🔗

Just a thought, maybe we should concentrate a bit more on how this Government has stolen our future. As I see it, this lockdown, now backed by our MPs, apart from a brave few, has, as have previously lockdowns, stolen our children’s education, stolen our school leavers opportunities, stolen jobs from those employed and stolen any quality of life from retirees and care home residents. Leaving aside the prime movers of Johnstone and Hancock and SAGE of this ongoing social catastrophe, I could be wrong, but I don’t see how voting for lockdowns is compatible with the code of conduct of MPs as noted below:
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmcode/1882/188202.htm#_idTextAnchor004
III. Duties of Members4.By virtue of the oath, or affirmation, of allegiance taken by all Members when they are elected to the House, Members have a duty to be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty the Queen, her heirs and successors, according to law.
5.Members have a duty to uphold the law, including the general law against discrimination.
6.Members have a general duty to act in the interests of the nation as a whole; and a special duty to their constituents.
7.Members should act on all occasions in accordance with the public trust placed in them. They should always behave with probity and integrity, including in their use of public resources.

IV. General Principles of Conduct8.In carrying out their parliamentary and public duties, Members will be expected to observe the following general principles of conduct identified by the Committee on Standards in Public Life in its First Report as applying to holders of public office.
1 These principles will be taken into account when considering the investigation and determination of any allegations of breaches of the rules of conduct in Part V of the Code.
“SelflessnessHolders of public office should take decisions solely in terms of the public interest. They should not do so in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends.

So I guess the question I am asking is: how does voting for lockdowns square with III:6 above (note special duty to constituents) and with taking decisions solely in terms of the public interest? The immense collateral damage of lockdowns is increasingly self-evident. Are our MPs so blind that they cannot see?

366688 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to isobar, 6, #1390 of 1934 🔗

Put a complaint in to the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner months ago pointing all this out.

She’s not interested in investigating, not her problem.

366730 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1391 of 1934 🔗

Well done, you got there before me! Depressing about the answer that you got. Still think that we should press the ‘stolen bit’ ( a la Thunberg I know) in the hope that it might resonate.

366732 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to isobar, 2, #1392 of 1934 🔗

There is no recourse without power.

With power, you need not bother with process.

Here’s the solution: get a majority in Parliament and then attaint the bastards.

Unfortunately, I can see a few obstacles.

366733 ▶▶ John P, replying to isobar, 4, #1393 of 1934 🔗

“Just a thought, maybe we should concentrate a bit more on how this Government has stolen our future.”

I don’t know. I’ve enough angst dealing with the theft of the present.

367008 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to isobar, #1394 of 1934 🔗

Mine is!
Apparently, we have to protect the NHS against covid, otherwise more lives will be lost because people won’t be able to get treated for other conditions.

366689 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 25, #1395 of 1934 🔗

Act like you’ve got it.
Phone your GP Surgery (ho, ho) tomorrow, and say the NHS have told me “I’ve got it” and see what they say.

366714 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to PatrickF, 31, #1396 of 1934 🔗

A year ago if you went around pretending you had a virus you’d be looked at as mentally unstable.

366862 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Hubes, 2, #1397 of 1934 🔗

Yes you are right!

366910 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Hubes, 4, #1398 of 1934 🔗

We won’t be able to start a sentence like that for very much longer

367002 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hubes, 1, #1399 of 1934 🔗

Those who go around pretending they have a virus are mentally unstable!

366796 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to PatrickF, 7, #1400 of 1934 🔗

Turn up at A&E hyperventilating and tell them that Matt Hancock told you that you’ve got it. In fact everyone’s got it. We’re all going to die!!!

366696 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #1401 of 1934 🔗

“If you are flooded out of your home, you won’t have to comply with Covid rules and you will be allowed out of your house”.
Just reported on MSM.

366725 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1402 of 1934 🔗

To stay in a hotel? Just asking, I live near a river. The thought has crossed my mind what I would do in the event of a flood when there is nowhere to go.

366731 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Fingerache Philip, 14, #1403 of 1934 🔗

If my house is on fire then am I allowed to leave? I’m happy to stay in and burn to death to help save lives.

366757 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Hubes, 7, #1404 of 1934 🔗

They will test your ashes.

366794 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1405 of 1934 🔗

Wow, so generous, they really care about us don’t they?

366999 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1406 of 1934 🔗

That’s big of them!

366697 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #1407 of 1934 🔗

Did you know 78000 people a year die in the UK from smoking and 8 million globally, yet you can still buy cigarettes. Why doesn’t the governments of the world lock down their citizens and antisocially distance them from smokers.

366709 ▶▶ John P, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #1408 of 1934 🔗

No, Smelly, didn’t you know? Smoking deaths have been abolished.

Now everyone dies of Covid.

366861 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Smelly Melly, #1409 of 1934 🔗

Yes exactly!

366894 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1410 of 1934 🔗

They have pretty much. What do you think happened in England and Wales in 2007? The smokers got booted out of pubs thereby antisocially distancing them from the non-smokers. I always felt that it was the “fresh air freaks” who should have been booted out to enjoy the fresh air that they craved so much. It would have also have prevented them whining about having to walk through “clouds of smoke” just to enter the pub.

The same sort of personality type that thinks it acceptable to abuse smokers as “killing other people with second hand smoke” is the same sort of person that thinks it acceptable to abuse someone not wearing a mask because they’re killing people.

367231 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1411 of 1934 🔗

Right on brother!

367236 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Smelly Melly, #1412 of 1934 🔗

78,000? That’s a very precise number. It has probably been on tobacco products for the past three to five years. Never changes. Always round numbers, never less or more. More modelling, I suspect.

366702 Kyle Reese, replying to Kyle Reese, 10, #1413 of 1934 🔗

So apparently the BBC news (I don’t watch TV so I don’t know) has produced some emotional theatre or other and now everyone in the DM comments are full of touchy feely sadness and anger at sceptics.

It’s fascinating to watch the propagandists at work, and how the uptake of emotional appeals trumps reason every time. I would applaud the propagandists, but their audience are such easy marks that they hardly have to break a sweat. Besides, they probably wouldn’t be able to outdo the angelic White Helmets productions they did for Syria (while the White Helmets themselves were busy beating and raping refugees).

366721 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Kyle Reese, 14, #1414 of 1934 🔗

My journalist friend commented today about the sheer weight of propaganda on the BBC news programme. He has described a few times how stage-managed these interviews are. Personally cannot watch or listen any more.

366729 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Kyle Reese, 9, #1415 of 1934 🔗

Accidently switched on at 6pm. Yep, full propaganda!

366804 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Kyle Reese, 5, #1416 of 1934 🔗

I was tutoring a student over zoom and the news was on in the background at the student’s end. It was truly awful, disgraceful reporting.

366706 John P, replying to John P, 24, #1417 of 1934 🔗

My main fear at the moment with regards to this is that the government could maybe try to label every death due to the lockdowns – every cancer, heart disease, dementia, (etc) death as Covid to cover their backsides.

How? All they have to do is use the deeply flawed PCR test at 45 cycles (which actually renders it competely useless as a diagnostic tool) on every terminally ill patient and then when they die within four weeks label it as a Covid-19 death.

I fear that all of these additional lockdown deaths could be covered up by labelling them as Covid.

366710 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John P, 14, #1418 of 1934 🔗

I was under the impression that this was already happening, John.

366720 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1419 of 1934 🔗

It may well be, but at the moment it’s the Winter flu season. Deaths are always high at this time.

I’m really thinking about all of those additional cancer deaths that are on the horizon. They’ll want to cover that up.

366726 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John P, 4, #1420 of 1934 🔗

Yes, very fair point, John.

366805 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to John P, 6, #1421 of 1934 🔗

It’s already happening here. I’ve seen the Statistics Canada charts showing Covid deaths increasing while deaths from the usual suspects — heart disease, cancer, etc. — decrease by the same number. It beggars belief that heart disease deaths are down by 1/3 over the past year — it’s not like lockdowns have made us healthier! So you are right to be concerned as it’s easy to get a “positive” PCR test from anybody and re-categorize the death based on current guidance. When my grandmother died last July of pneumonia I asked my mother to make sure they didn’t put Covid on her death certificate. But if nobody is paying attention then it’s sure to happen.

366807 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to John P, 2, #1422 of 1934 🔗

If those extra deaths are of people who ‘tested positive’ within the 2 days prior to death, then yes, they will be classified as ‘covid deaths’

366985 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, #1423 of 1934 🔗

Why else would they test patients in hospices?

366761 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1424 of 1934 🔗

”Just ignore the tyre marks, nurse. He had a positive test two weeks ago. Put him on the list.”

366764 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Banjones, 3, #1425 of 1934 🔗

Sounds about right!

367228 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Banjones, #1426 of 1934 🔗

Michelin, Pirelli or Dunlop?

366711 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to John P, 4, #1427 of 1934 🔗

They’re almost there already

366712 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to John P, 6, #1428 of 1934 🔗

That is what they are doing, and have been for some time.

366715 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to John P, 4, #1429 of 1934 🔗

I’ve thought that for a long time John. It’s why there needs to be reports of main comorbidities. I was saying before that you’ll get Covid with Cancer deaths etc. Sickening really.

366766 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to mhcp, 7, #1430 of 1934 🔗

I think I recall Professor Dolores Cahill recently saying something about making sure that you book and pay for a autopsy before submitting to the vaccine.

366843 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Banjones, 3, #1431 of 1934 🔗

Doesnt say much about the vaccine does it! Booking yourself an autopsy slot as a condition of having it!

366719 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to John P, 7, #1432 of 1934 🔗

They’ve been doing this since last March with or without a positive test result in some cases.

366752 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to John P, 2, #1433 of 1934 🔗

Don’t forget the lateral mass flow tests.

After a bit of reading they seem pretty poor.

They also don’t have the capability of adjusting the cycle count, which seems to bother many of the PCR proponents.

366754 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to awildgoose, 7, #1434 of 1934 🔗

I thought the LFTs were supposed to be more accurate?

The government won’t want to use them if that’s the case though as they won’t produce as many (false) positives.

366990 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, #1435 of 1934 🔗

That was my understanding.

366762 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to John P, 7, #1436 of 1934 🔗

Eventually people need to wake up on their own accord and realise this is all bullshit. What was a potential threat is a total fucking scam now. A fraud of the highest order.

366770 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1437 of 1934 🔗

Many of us began to have the first quiverings of disquiet back in May. I remember wondering if it was something quite unconnected with the virus being dangerous, and perhaps a way of keeping people off the streets – with the BLM troubles!
How silly and naive I was in those days!

366993 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, #1438 of 1934 🔗

Less naive than many still are today. At least you realised something was off.

366798 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to John P, 3, #1439 of 1934 🔗

The trouble is though that they will have to explain away the disappearance of cancer/heart/suicide/any other cause of death.

366994 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Puddleglum, #1440 of 1934 🔗

Only if asked – and all questions are already vetted.

366708 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 12, #1441 of 1934