2021-01-20

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367316 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 171, #1 of 1993 🔗

It’s an utter disgrace what they’ve done to the young.

Things were pretty bad for too many young people before 2020 – and I think of the nearly half of young women aged 16 to 25 who had had some sort of mental health problem – a higher rate than army veterans who have served in combat zones – or the nearly one in four fourteen year old girls who had reputedly self-harmed within the last six months.

And now these inhumane and criminal government restrictions have made it all far worse. It truly is wicked!

Oh, and I said last year that if restrictions continue beyond st Swithin’s day, we’ll have worse than 40 days of rain. Lockdowns continuing beyond Easter is insane and suicidal.

367328 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Hugh, 180, #2 of 1993 🔗

With three kids in their 20s, I will never forgive those who traded my kids’ futures for their supposed “safety”. Then the cowards have the gall to call me selfish.

367353 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Liewe, 136, #3 of 1993 🔗

Lockdowns are political.They have nothing to do with a not very dangerous virus.
Our fellow Britons have been subject to a huge psychological attack by the government and the bought and paid for media.
Direct your anger at the real culprits.

367814 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to jonathan Palmer, 24, #4 of 1993 🔗

Politics of a kind that makes all that we THOUGHT to be politics, a sideshow – or a matrix of mainstreamed control. So perhaps politics is not the best word. But it isn’t about a virus – in any biological sense at least.

367842 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to jonathan Palmer, 14, #5 of 1993 🔗

Paid for by us, the cheeky fucks.

368013 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to jonathan Palmer, 29, #6 of 1993 🔗

Yes, I agree with you. I don’t know a single middle-aged or elderly person who wouldn’t willingly have simply continued life as normal (for themselves and their children’s or grandchildren’s sake) and taken the chance of catching this ‘virus’. Especially as we all knew pretty quickly that the vast majority of us were at no risk.
Listen to Wittery in May:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be

369186 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Liewe, 7, #7 of 1993 🔗

I certainly wouldn’t want or expect anyone to put their lives on hold for me and bitterly resent the fact my final chance to achieve the things I couldn’t when I was younger has also been taken away.

367331 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Hugh, 61, #8 of 1993 🔗

Amen Hugh.

Every evening I try to say a short prayer and send positive thoughts to the youth that have had their lives upended by this insanity.

367339 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to awildgoose, 30, #9 of 1993 🔗

Inanity as well.

God deliver us from these inanities and insanities.

367745 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Hugh, -8, #10 of 1993 🔗

God got you into that.

367821 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Nottheonly1, 7, #11 of 1993 🔗

The extension of a true blessing is better to live and share in than feeding a grievance. It also brings the underlying nature of grievance in to an honesty of being that the thinking mind wont allow, because grievance sets the mind in conflict from which truth is the first casualty.

369114 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Binra, 1, #12 of 1993 🔗

Unless a mind comes clean of programs and conditions it will remain prisoner in a world it does not understand. Grief as impression/expression of loss is of no lesser value than its inseparable counterpart of joy. The attempt to isolate grief is similar to the desire to remove negativity from life. Everything has its place in life. A battery does not work with a single positive pole. It takes both polarities to ‘create’ electricity.

As a non-theist, I have no problem with people believing in any God. It is people who believe in God who are insecure when someone does not share their view. Man created God in his likeness and it is this succumbing to authority that is now exploited by those who put people under house arrest and take away everything a human being needs to be at peace.

369244 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nottheonly1, 3, #13 of 1993 🔗

No, it was Boris Johnson.

367354 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to awildgoose, 31, #14 of 1993 🔗

Let everyone who can pray do likewise.
Adding to a long, long list of victims who need our prayers.

367830 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Annie, 4, #15 of 1993 🔗

I pray not to or for victims but with the power of the heart that is in everyone alive.
Inspiration, guidance and support are part of a resonance of being. Being a victim does not help. Confirming others as victims feeds a disimpowerment.
Compassion – yes.
I suggest we need to extend blessing to (know that we) have it!

367448 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to awildgoose, 3, #16 of 1993 🔗

I am about to send a private message to you. Please get in touch.

367428 ▶▶ John P, replying to Hugh, 18, #17 of 1993 🔗

Not doing a lot for the old either.

368147 ▶▶▶ AfterAll, replying to John P, 13, #18 of 1993 🔗

Lockdowns harm the elderly. The indiscriminate lockdowns make food deliveries unavailable, so somebody in the household has to venture out for food, increasing risk. And masks increase the risk of potentially catastrophic falls, by restricting the field of vision and fogging up spectacles.

367541 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Hugh, 13, #19 of 1993 🔗

If they ever intend to hold elections again (which I presume they do) they’ve just killed there future voter base.

367704 ▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #20 of 1993 🔗

I really wonder about that . . . . .

367920 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #21 of 1993 🔗

‘They’ operate the leveraging of our presumptions.
When they say there’s no going back to ‘normal’ it isn’t just because they are part of a controlled demolition of a corrupt system of human management into a reset to a tighter social contract.
The State – as the technocratic representative of Stakeholders, grants any privilege or freedoms according the tier status or caste.
Eradicating not just the voter base but the idea of people having any real choice in their own life outside of rules and compliances.

We’ve been so predictively programmed to our outcome that when it is here, we do not believe it.

368359 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #22 of 1993 🔗

Why would anyone want to bother to vote when hundreds of thousands of fake ballots can be dumped at 3 am? Or a click of a button can install the desired globalist puppet?

368678 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #23 of 1993 🔗

Who do we vote for when they’re all the same?

367586 ▶▶ Bunter, replying to Hugh, 29, #24 of 1993 🔗

Totally agree- the young are pretty much unaffected by the virus, their education and job prospects are being destroyed and they are going to be the ones paying this ridiculous debt back. The they get told they are being selfish- unbelievable.

367605 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Hugh, 51, #25 of 1993 🔗

Frankly this government should be put in front of a brick wall and executed for what they have done to this country. Its unforgiveable.

367613 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Hugh, 29, #26 of 1993 🔗

Im reading Prof Jordan Petersons book right now, what his outlines is the impact on the younger kids (preschool age) will be even worse especially those from poor or disrupted families, single mothers and so on. They will NEVER recover based on his opinion,

367743 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Hugh, 12, #27 of 1993 🔗

That is the idea behind these ‘policies’.

368123 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nottheonly1, 4, #28 of 1993 🔗

They are deliberately creating a two tier system of the haves and the have nots.

369308 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #29 of 1993 🔗

They are not creating it, they are extending it.

369312 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to bebophaircut, #30 of 1993 🔗

I suppose it is an ongoing process of creation…

What I want to know is what happened to one person one vote? Why does the agenda of (for example) big pharma count ahead of the interests of ordinary voters, even large numbers of ordinary voters?

It might not be explicit as it has been in the past but it is what is happening none the less.

367781 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Hugh, 13, #31 of 1993 🔗

Further to my comment yesterday about the deliberate drive to ruin the future of British/European children, Covid19 is the perfect pretext to finish the job – and the worst part is that it has swept up a large swath of public support from those who have been terrified by propaganda but might previously have been either apathetic or even against damaging the prospects for the young.

369316 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to J4mes, 1, #32 of 1993 🔗

One of the major things about this shambles that needs to be clearly established is, why are so many people so easily terrified? Could people always be so easily scared – by a (not excessively dangerous) bug?

As I have mentioned previously, my north London ancestors slept in their own bed during the blitz rather than the official shelters. Do people still have this spirit of courageous defiance? If not, why not?

367876 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Hugh, 7, #33 of 1993 🔗

Most ‘kids’ in that age group are fully into it.
There is practically no resistance and no critical thinking done by them.
As such, most of them fully deserve their mask&lockdown-support
related miserable future.

367908 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JayBee, 13, #34 of 1993 🔗

Some may be into it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t wrecking their lives of all of them.

369317 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to JayBee, #35 of 1993 🔗

No, they’ve been damaged by the culture and environment they’ve been brought up in, I suspect. They are victims too. With so many having mental health problems, and probably most of the rest probably having quite a lot to worry about, there’s only so much one can expect.

Either way, this shambles isn’t going to help them.

368301 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Hugh, 13, #36 of 1993 🔗

Yes, Hugh. Three months, and one Paracetamol overdose later, my girl is home from university.

368383 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Nymeria, 10, #37 of 1993 🔗

I am so sorry. I had two girls in university and my youngest has suffered from mental health challenges, but before all of this insanity. She dropped out of school recently, which Covid accelerated, but will be switching to a trade school in the fall. She was not doing well mentally before dropping out so I understand your pain. Oddly, she is now spending her time as a gaming streamer and actually making good money at it. I will never forgive those who have done this to our children and I worry every day that mine will get through this. My thoughts are with you and your daughter and I wish her the best.

368432 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #38 of 1993 🔗

Thank you, Lisa. Good wishes to you and your children too x

368565 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nymeria, 6, #39 of 1993 🔗

Poor love. Better off out of there!
I hope she’s physically ok. At least she’s come home to someone who’s sane.

368684 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #40 of 1993 🔗

Thing is, Cheezilla, she thinks I am quite the opposite of sane, but glad to get home to mommie dearest, all the same 🙂

369318 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Nymeria, #41 of 1993 🔗

University was stressful enough already, and probably not least because of the fees, which they were protesting about in my day. How much worse must it be in these circumstances. I’m sorry to hear about what happened to her, and pray that she comes out the other side ok.

368654 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to Hugh, 7, #42 of 1993 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GqAbeSggcnw

Neil Oliver sums it up perfectly.

367322 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 17, #43 of 1993 🔗

Do you know the Scientific History of Lockdowns? A Must Watch – CRUCIAL .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=978zLJJLo-I&list=WL&index=78

Ivor Cummins

THANKS to KATE WAND FOR THIS SUPERB MINI-DOCUMENTARY on LOCKDOWN SCIENCE!

This film is based on a letter by an international team of professionals, researchers and activists, calling for an expedited investigation into scientific fraud in public health policies .

Full letter here: https://ccpgloballockdownfraud.medium

367404 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #44 of 1993 🔗

Hmmm… can’t reach this page

367323 Lockdown Sceptic, 32, #46 of 1993 🔗

I Wonder Why The BBC & Sky News Didn’t Report This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfnHC_ySFjk

Anti Lockdown Protests in Austria – sings “Make Influenza Great Again”
WE GOT A PROBLEM

367324 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 21, #47 of 1993 🔗

News Roundup | NY Judge Orders Hospital To Use Ivermectin, Woman Recovers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6pm5T_E4rw

From: TrialSite News

“New York Supreme Court Judge Order: Give The Patient Ivermectin As Court Battle Leads to Ivermectin for Successful Treatment Against COVID-19:
A judge ordered the Millard Fillmore Suburban Hospital to allow an 80-year old woman to be treated with Ivermectin. According to the family their attorney, the treatment saved the life of Judith Smentkiewicz. Although not yet approved, according to court documents, the woman’s daughter referred to it as a “miracle drug,” as do her attorneys, Ralph C. Lorigo and Jon F. Minear. Apparently, a doctor ordered the drug off-label in the intensive care unit (ICU), and as she improved, she was moved to another unit, and the doctor there stepped in and disallowed the use of the drug. Family members immediately involved lawyers and legal action to resume treatment. And now, The New York Supreme Court Judge Henry J. Nowak has aligned with the family.
https://trialsitenews.com/new-york-su

Nigeria Government Making Moves to Fund Ivermectin Research Targeting COVID-19: IVERCOVID Program:
The Nigerian federal government commissioned a team of researchers to investigate the efficacy of Ivermectin as a potential treatment for COVID-19. Known as “IVERCOVID,” this group just may impact the world’s approach to treating COVID-19, at least in the developing world.
With ivermectin gaining traction as a potential treatment option, the country’s political leadership becomes ever more intrigued. For example, Vice President Yemi Osinbajo’s declared that Nigeria and Nigerians “are at the cutting edge of scientific research into the COVID-19 treatment.” Fascinated with the fact that the drug is already in use in the country to combat river blindness, the Vice President is considering how to leverage this African nation’s considerable experience and understanding of the drug given growing data pointing toward its potential benefits as a treatment and even prophylactic medication targeting COVID-19. “

367332 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #48 of 1993 🔗

Andrew “The Gawdfadduh” Cuomo is piiiissed!

367325 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 10, #49 of 1993 🔗

Build Back Better Video Goes VIRAL! / Hugo Talks #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQgF-5hqaSE

367844 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #50 of 1993 🔗

Add this to the New Normal docu on bitchute & the dots join up! I have been onto The Great Reset for months when it appeared in booklet form on Amazon for anyone to purchase ! Surely all this needs disproving asap OR it is TRUE ! ( HELP)

367327 Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #51 of 1993 🔗

Asia’s Climate Ambitions
Tony Heller 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMzgsxZxwzQ

367329 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #52 of 1993 🔗

mRNA Vaccines vs. Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine (from Livestream #61)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLcdnoagoxQ 

369309 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #53 of 1993 🔗

Put them in the center of a boxing ring and let ’em fight it out.

369310 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #54 of 1993 🔗

Stolen from Steven Wright’s dehumidifier vs humidifier joke.

367330 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 11, #55 of 1993 🔗

Lockdowns Cost Lives
We believe in getting back to normal – the old normal

https://backtonormal.org.uk/

368601 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #56 of 1993 🔗

While freedom of association, movement and speech may be possible if something shifts at a deeper level, how do you not know what has been and is being revealed by this psychosis? The official covering narrative offers a living death in a human lab rat system – but is a contraction of the old normal and not a true ‘natural’.
The underlying disease is being revealed and suppressing symptoms in and of itself will not do more than move the furniture while presenting as progressive change.

Most of what covid and other similarly destructive narratives are doing is the result of social engineering or ‘mind control’ that has run throughout our lives.

So while I am not attacking your desire I don’t share the framing of old and new normals as being aligned in our true being and therefore our true needs.

369311 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Binra, #57 of 1993 🔗

We need a new and improved (like detergent TV ads) old normal.

367334 Liewe, replying to Liewe, 57, #58 of 1993 🔗

“But to hit the Government’s target of 13.9million people by February 15th, which is the threshold at which officials will consider relaxing lockdown”.
Just lovely! Once again it will be my fault if there is perpetual lockdown, not only did I visit a friend (unmasked – the horror!), but I also refused a vaccine.

367368 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Liewe, 17, #59 of 1993 🔗

Good for you. If only everyone did that

367335 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 107, #60 of 1993 🔗

All the stories today are very bleak and, alas, entirely unsurprising. Most bleak of all is the utter absence of any active resistance. Instead, Britain descends into a witch craze. A repulsive and unforgivable spectacle.

367343 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 72, #61 of 1993 🔗

There is mass resistance, everyday. Just because it is not sensational does not mean it does not exist nor does it mean it is not significant. Remember Rosa Parks merely declined to follow a rule on a bus journey.

367376 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Steve Hayes, 38, #62 of 1993 🔗

Well said, Steve; a very significant point.
The MSM keep “bangin” on about how “we must not lower our guard”, well from this part of the woods (South Shropshire), I would say that only about 30 % of people ever put up a guard in the first place.

367419 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #63 of 1993 🔗

Or one could think of it another way perhaps – “the weakest link in the chain” and get busy identifying those weak links.

368339 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #64 of 1993 🔗

Good point. Thanks.

369314 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Steve Hayes, #65 of 1993 🔗

And a traditional journalist made sure that the event became news..

367346 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 38, #66 of 1993 🔗

I’m out and about maskless every day and usually have a dozen or more close up encounters with others, mostly masked, sometimes not.
I have experienced no hostility in recent months and certainly do not feel the victim of a witch hunt. If the conversation goes that way most agree to a certain amount if scepticism sometimes to a surprising degree.

Perhaps whitch hunt frenzy is a London thing.

367347 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to karenovirus, 5, #67 of 1993 🔗

I wouldn’t be surprised

367350 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 5, #68 of 1993 🔗

I’m interpreting events through the media from Thailand, so I’m open to correction, and glad to hear that sanity hasn’t been derailed everywhere.

367359 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #69 of 1993 🔗

Maybe because my NHS Region didn’t have much of a first wave and not much of a second.
Despite lurid headlines about rising ‘cases’ and speculation about what might happen in two weeks time Local Live online (mirror group news) has been unable to report any new deaths for some days now.

368576 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #70 of 1993 🔗

Meeja schmeeja.

367357 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 30, #71 of 1993 🔗

Like all our other current ills, it’s largely a media thing.

367367 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 12, #72 of 1993 🔗

How small, of all that human hearts endure,
That part which laws or kings can cause or cure!

Oliver Goldsmith, The Traveller, lines supplied by Dr. Johnson

367460 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 41, #73 of 1993 🔗

I live in London and have not encountered hostility for months now. In fact I have people who deliberately approach me for a chat possibly because I’m the only face they see.

This witch hunt frenzy I suspect takes place in the la-la land of academia. Strange things always happen there.

368387 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #74 of 1993 🔗

Yes, academia is definitely la-la land! Another reason why I’m glad I haven’t been at my university for months. I avoid most of my academic colleagues online whenever possible. It would be great if academic people would eat themselves, and I think this might happen.

Stirling is fine, though more seem to be wearing masks outdoors than before. Still, most people are not and most people will smile if you smile.

368830 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #75 of 1993 🔗

I didn’t finish my PhD due to financial reasons and everyday I thank God that I’m not in academia.

Maybe they will eat themselves especially if they find themselves out of a job as the universities become even more short of cash due to falling enrollment figures and having to fight off court cases from irate students and their parents.

367470 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 14, #76 of 1993 🔗

Or a political/MSM thing.

367765 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to karenovirus, 15, #77 of 1993 🔗

The crucial part is to not stop conversing with those who are intimidated and fearful. Fear has been the preferred tool to make people obey idiotic and self harming policies. Bernays told the corporations and Fascists how its done. It is essential to not give up on those who succumbed to the disease called propaganda.

367769 ▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to karenovirus, 9, #78 of 1993 🔗

From my experience it seems to depend a lot on personality. You can almost pick out the personality types who will be absolute slaves to the narrative and those who will tend to question and also those who are receptive once they hear a different view.

367932 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to karenovirus, 5, #79 of 1993 🔗

Witch-hunt frenzy – evil rich & powerful conjured, behavioural ‘scientists’ midwived , rich people’s governments ordained, media promoted, twats & 77th. implemented.

London just happens to be HQ.
AG

367537 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 25, #80 of 1993 🔗

Is this not a myth pushed by the media that Sceptics are under the cosh and are demons in another form? I have only met one person that is for lockdowns. Everyone else I have met, be it work colleagues, friends, family, key workers etc are against it. We just don’t have a very loud voice as the MSM has well and truly won the shouting match as they have vast sums of money and OFCOM bought and paid for. I could be wrong though :).

368127 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #81 of 1993 🔗

It’s the media that likes bleak, maybe they’re looking at the weather. No first wave here to speak of and hospital cases have been falling since late October. It’s rare to see a mask when out and about and local beauty spots may be up to their knees in mud but they are still busy with unmasked families and friends. More and more there is gentle civil disobedience but it’s something not spoken about. It just happens.

368211 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to EllGee, #82 of 1993 🔗

Where is ‘here’?

369250 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to HoMojo, 1, #83 of 1993 🔗

Better not to ask.

368405 ▶▶ zubin, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #84 of 1993 🔗

World freedom alliance very encouraging

367338 Elisabeth, replying to Elisabeth, 54, #85 of 1993 🔗

Lockdowns until Easter? I’m not even in the UK and reading this sort of idiocy makes me so angry pretty soon I’m going to start biting people. I’ll start with the mask nazis.

367340 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Elisabeth, 9, #86 of 1993 🔗

And how are they paying for this again?

(They’ll have to put you in a muzzle! 🙂 )

367341 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Hugh, 5, #87 of 1993 🔗

That’ll be a cold day in hell 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛

367389 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Elisabeth, 1, #88 of 1993 🔗

It’ll be a different kind of mask for you then 😉

367792 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Elisabeth, 7, #89 of 1993 🔗

Better than biting might be a T-Shirt with an appropriate notion printed on it. “What is worse? A disease that healthy people have no problems with – or the lunacy of the fearful mask wearers?”

On second thought, biting might give You an edge…

368534 ▶▶ number 6, replying to Elisabeth, 3, #90 of 1993 🔗

Hope its not Rabies, err unless you plan to visit our parliament,

369315 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Elisabeth, 1, #91 of 1993 🔗

Don’t forget the salt and pepper.

367342 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #92 of 1993 🔗

Hello

367344 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #93 of 1993 🔗

G’day

(And don’t forget, you didn’t come here to die, you came here yesterdie!)

367358 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 6, #94 of 1993 🔗

And on Sadlidie….

367365 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 1, #95 of 1993 🔗

Twice on Sundridie …

367377 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #96 of 1993 🔗

A million died on Mondie…

367490 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 27, #97 of 1993 🔗

Mondie’s child is fair of face, but nobody knows this because she’s wearing a mask.
Tuesdie’s child is full of grace on TikTok, but you should see the 83 versions she binned before finally smashing it in the 84th.
Wednesdie’s child is full of woe. Aren’t we all?
Thursdie’s child has far to go, and her journey is absolutely essential, she dares you to suggest otherwise.
Fridie’s child is loving and giving and runs a delightful cafe in Essex somewhere,
Saturdie’s child works hard for a living, so her taxes can pay for those on furlough.
And the child that is born on the Sabbath day
Is bonny and blithe, and good and gay until she meets some jobsworth copper trying to bundle her into a van, whereupon she morphs into a Tasmanian devil and rips out his liver with her teeth.

(Sorry, I was just having a break from work. I know it has no connection with the “die” thing, but I still enjoyed writing it.)

367573 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #98 of 1993 🔗

Wonderful! No need to apologise!

367609 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #99 of 1993 🔗

As I was born on a Thursday, sorry, Thursdie, I agree with the sentiments.

367629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ewan Duffy, #100 of 1993 🔗

(I too am Thursdie’s child!)

367931 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #101 of 1993 🔗

See that smile, a beautiful thing,
But don’t take me to task
you can’t see, my beautiful smile
Behind this fucking mask!!

367345 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 7, #102 of 1993 🔗

Any news on excess deaths for the first week of the year?

Reckon I can guarantee it’s not 6,298 (or however many they’re claiming have died within 28 days of a positive test result).

367510 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Hugh, -1, #103 of 1993 🔗

17,000 odd overall, which is ~5000 more than last year.

367944 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to jb12, 2, #104 of 1993 🔗

Where did you get the number, I thought they were not releasing death all cause? Also don’t forget 2020 was a very mild death year in January and February. Check the deaths against a bad year of the flu. I bet the numbers are very similar.

368466 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to jb12, #105 of 1993 🔗

There is a rollover of excess deaths from Week 53. Data shows 12254 for week1, in line with 12175 for the past five years.

367348 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 81, #106 of 1993 🔗

Brendan O’Neil in spiked talks about lockdown sceptics’ failed predictions.

What, exactly, have we got wrong?
It seems to be something about the second wave but we are not wrong. We have always said that there was going to be a seasonal rise exacerbated by the withdrawal of health services and wrongly attributed deaths because of pcr. I’m increasingly thinking we are seeing vaccine impacts but we will never be given the data for that.

No, the ones who have been continuously wrong are those putting restrictions upon us.

In fact it has been worse than wrong. They have lied, lied and lied again. Do not budge an inch. We are right and they are terribly, fatally wrong.

367730 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ed Phillips, 7, #107 of 1993 🔗

The CDC in the US found that over 2% of those vaccinated had serious adverse reactions.

368476 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Ed Phillips, #108 of 1993 🔗

The virus infection has passed through the bulk of the population as a result of wholly natural processes and evidence indicates that in the UK and other heavily infected European countries the spread of the virus has been all but halted by a substantial reduction in the susceptible population. …. The evidence presented in this paper indicates that there should be no expectation of a large scale ‘second wave’ with smaller localised outbreaks when the virus contacts pockets of previously uninfected populations.

Is not exactly looking like a sound prediction, is it?

https://lockdownsceptics.org/addressing-the-cv19-second-wave/

Vaccine impact will be on deaths in the next month or so, then admissions after about 3-6 months.

368615 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to djaustin, 2, #109 of 1993 🔗

There wasn’t a second wave!
It was a casedemic. The virus peaked last April.

368612 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ed Phillips, #110 of 1993 🔗

I wondered if it was a dig at Toby.

368931 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #111 of 1993 🔗

O’Neill is a pillock obsessed by Brexit. If he really thinks Brexit matters compared with this tyranny he is out of his mind.

367349 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 89, #112 of 1993 🔗

I cannot help but notice that there is much pessimism expressed in the comments. This pessimism is in my opinion unfounded and, if left unchecked, counter-productive, as it would inevitably undermine our morale and our power to resist.

I suspect this pessimism stems from the lack of substantial victories and sensational, large scale acts of protest. Whilst these would be wonderful for morale and for the fight against the madness, to expect them, given the strength of the forces promoting the lockdowns, is simply unrealistic. And, unrealistic expectations inevitably result in a sense of failure and futility, which is why we should recognise and accept that at the moment we are only capable of small acts of resistance.

But we should not undervalue those small acts of resistance. Every act of non-compliance is a victory. In yesterday’s edition, JohnDanny in a comment related an experience. He refused to wear a face mask. https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/19/latest-news-259/#comment-366425 It was an act of heroism. It was a step forward for all of us. It was no less heroic, and no less significant, than Rosa Parks’ act of defiance.

Ignore the rules.

367356 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 59, #113 of 1993 🔗

On off lockdown is the new normal until enough people say no.This has been the situation since the start.
I really think Easter is the key.Once the weather breaks and the vulnerable have been vaccinated then even the most docile sheep will understand there is no rationale for continued restrictions.

367362 ▶▶▶ Alci, replying to jonathan Palmer, 25, #114 of 1993 🔗

Agree. Easter is the flex point. I’m afraid from what I see round me, that I think most people will sigh, but continue to comply, in thrall to government propaganda.
I feel like a drama queen saying this, but sometimes the only way out seems runaway inflation & currency collapse, which could take years.

368006 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Alci, 2, #115 of 1993 🔗

inflation is up from 0.3% to 0.6% today. That’s an exponential rise. At that rate it’ll be 2,457.6% this time next year. They need to ban shopping.

367364 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to jonathan Palmer, 43, #116 of 1993 🔗

Mass non-compliance would certainly bring about an end to the madness. What would trigger that level of non-compliance is unknowable, unpredictable, but it could happen at any moment. Even those who are promoting the lockdowns say they do not want the restrictions, that they want life to be normal. If something were to happen that suddenly and clearly revealed the futility, the counter-productive, harmful nature of restrictions, it would completely change the situation, and, many hitherto staunch supporters of lockdowns would be demanding an end to the restrictions. There are moments in history when what was a tiny minority position suddenly becomes the dominant position and the world changes.

367371 ▶▶▶▶ Alci, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #117 of 1993 🔗

I hope you’re right! Of course I do.
Everyone who’s scared that I know is just getting more scared. Even doubters are being captured by the fear. It’s so mad and sad and wicked.

367379 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Alci, 20, #118 of 1993 🔗

Look to behaviour, rather than words. Lots of people repeat what they think is the correct opinion. But when their own behaviour is out of kilter with the correct opinion, they stop regurgitating the received narrative and provide justifications for what they are doing. Such justifications inevitably lead to further changes in behaviour.

367494 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #119 of 1993 🔗

In my many discussions with LD fanatics, when I point out to them, their own body language belies the words coming out of there mouths, when they get eyeball to eyeball with me. The blank expressions are priceless!

367990 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Alci, 15, #120 of 1993 🔗

Yesterday on the bbc they really did do a spot from a morgue, with crying nurses. Yep great reporting, no fear mongering there. I saw this reported by Alex belfield. I can’t go near the bbc as iI would end up with a very expensive foot through the TV. Don’t you find it amazing we are all calmly talking about opening at Easter as if that is fucking acceptable! We have been in a lockdown of one sort or another since October. in places like Manchester they have been shut down since September. So how is this fucking working? Just using your bullshit death numbers its failing on every level. Then we add your bullshit cases and these are still high. And all this is being caused by me not wearing a mask? Do the fat pig dictator and handjob listen to themselves speaking? Just do a review, we did this the numbers went up, mmmm! Shall we try something else? NO SCIENTIST WOULD ACCEPT THIS FAILURE WITHOUT TRYING A DIFFERENT METHOD!

368244 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #121 of 1993 🔗

I don’t see anyone complying around where I live. The trouble is nowhere is open, except supermarkets and I don’t go to them, so it’s very difficult to demonstrate that non-compliance. Have had plenty of people round for tea (or beer) but that ain’t gonna get on the front pages!

367498 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to jonathan Palmer, 25, #122 of 1993 🔗

Easter is too long for the children though. A whole term. That’s an eternity when you’re young.

367562 ▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #123 of 1993 🔗

You mean once “the vulnerable” have been sacrificed to the great god vaccine?

367618 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #124 of 1993 🔗

Easter is the key. Ash Wednesday and the start of Lent should also be a marker point towards the end of lockdown.

369262 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #125 of 1993 🔗

The government will not ever end any of its ludicrous Covid restrictions, unless and until enough people force it to do so. I doubt that will happen by Easter.

367694 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #126 of 1993 🔗

Stop kicking the resolution down the road.
Emphasise the massive personal and economic damage that is being racked by LDs and the fact that human rights laws are being broken.

367473 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #127 of 1993 🔗

Well said

367478 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #128 of 1993 🔗

Exactly. People forget that everything starts from small steps and for us who have been doing small acts of resistance, we should carry on and let others see us. The rest should hopefully follow.

I agree with the others who have commented, Easter will be the tipping point. Thee weather will be better then and we’ll get a better picture of the bad state of the economy during the first quarter of this year.

Once the dam breaks, I predict that more and more people will wake up.

It ain’t over until WE say it’s over.

369322 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bart Simpson, #129 of 1993 🔗

Ah. Is that why there’s talk of cancelling the May local elections?

367690 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #130 of 1993 🔗

Excellent. JohnDanny’s actions were ‘textbook’. Always respond from a standpoint of authority.

367766 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #131 of 1993 🔗

Interestingly I caught and advert on commercial radio late last night from Sainsubry’s about wearing masks in store and I thought oh no here we go again. My mood was immediately brightened when as part of the main advert they actually referenced the fact that you didn’t have to wear a mask or provide proof if you were exempt.

I found myself wondering if the letter referenced in yesterdays comments to all supermarket CEOs about the legal requirement not to discriminate was starting to filter through.

367953 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 7, #132 of 1993 🔗

And that was the result of some small acts of resistance, much like JohnDanny’s.

367962 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 10, #133 of 1993 🔗

Not to mention that Disability Rights UK and the EHRC are fast snapping at their heels.

367806 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #134 of 1993 🔗

In my opinion, this pessimism stems from the fact that people no longer know what to do with themselves in a situation like this. Imagine the differences between a gardener, or a model railroader (or similar) and those who are already entirely depending on bad news/interwebs. It is well known that consumerism and lack of worldly activities leaves people empty. “Be here – now” seems also to help a lot to break the constraints.

368562 ▶▶▶ number 6, replying to Nottheonly1, #135 of 1993 🔗

HERE _ HERE – BRAVO

368156 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #136 of 1993 🔗

Interesting your thoughts on pessimism. A friend finally found their way here to read what was written. The conclusion was that the main blog was very interesting as it had things on that nobody would normally see but the comments were the biggest put off ever. If you aren’t happen with things you could end up totally depressed after reading what folk wrote.

As I didn’t know what they’d read, day or comments, just told them to try another day or two. Are we, in some ways, possibly our own worst enemy though? As Steve says, every act of non-compliance is a victory, so maybe the little things should be celebrated more.

368429 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to EllGee, 6, #137 of 1993 🔗

I think that many of us spend too much time here and dwell on the negative. It’s easy to have a bad day and fear that this will never end. We can look at historical precedents and worry that they are being repeated. On the other hand, we should look at Rosa Parks and others who resisted, on an individual basis, and remember where that went. Let’s try to be more positive. I agree that Easter is likely to be the turning point as long as many of us are willing to fight back.

368510 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #138 of 1993 🔗

Remember that the third Monday in January has in recent years (until they made every day blue) been called Blue Monday as the most unhappy day of the year. We are at the very nadir in mood at at the very height of the Govt propaganda storm. Hold the line.

368649 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #139 of 1993 🔗

Good point!

369134 ▶▶ sam club, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #140 of 1993 🔗

yesterday i talked to strangers who werent masked and we all say we re not getting that poison vaccine

367351 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 33, #141 of 1993 🔗

I wrote a long comment, but suddenly don’t have the heart to post it. The tl;dr version is “wherever we are on the political, vaccine and conspiracy/cockup spectra, let’s unite against what we all know to be evil.”

Instead of that, I’ll offer this, a favourite poem. I sang Samuel Barber’s setting for baritone and orchestra a number of years ago. And I’ve stood on many a beach thinking similar thoughts. It seems particularly pertinent now.

Dover Beach

The sea is calm tonight.
The tide is full, the moon lies fair
Upon the straits; on the French coast the light
Gleams and is gone; the cliffs of England stand,
Glimmering and vast, out in the tranquil bay.
Come to the window, sweet is the night-air!
Only, from the long line of spray
Where the sea meets the moon-blanched land,
Listen! you hear the grating roar
Of pebbles which the waves draw back, and fling,
At their return, up the high strand,
Begin, and cease, and then again begin,
With tremulous cadence slow, and bring
The eternal note of sadness in.

Sophocles long ago
Heard it on the Ægean, and it brought
Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow
Of human misery; we
Find also in the sound a thought,
Hearing it by this distant northern sea.

The Sea of Faith
Was once, too, at the full, and round earth’s shore
Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furled.
But now I only hear
Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
Retreating, to the breath
Of the night-wind, down the vast edges drear
And naked shingles of the world.

Ah, love, let us be true
To one another! for the world, which seems
To lie before us like a land of dreams,
So various, so beautiful, so new,
Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain;
And we are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night.

Matthew Arnold

367360 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 27, #142 of 1993 🔗

A great poem about the loss of religious faith. Now it serves well as an elegy for lost sanity.
But not everyone at that time had lost his faith. And not everybody now has lost his or her sanity.
Some of us have kept both and will do so for ever.

Et s’il n’en reste qu’un, je serai celui-là.

367456 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #143 of 1993 🔗

Magnificent.

367488 ▶▶ Alci, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #144 of 1993 🔗

I love this post. Thank you.

367835 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #145 of 1993 🔗

Knowing that you are in Thailand this actually made me think of an entirely different beach. Maenam on Samui looking out at the lights of Phangan.

Your core message is quite right. Unity.

367863 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #146 of 1993 🔗

I grew up near beaches and one of the things I miss about Northumberland is walking along the vast expanse of Druridge, which is never the same place twice. I love beaches as thresholds between the known and the unknown, the things believed secure and the things known insecure. I need beaches at the moment and it’s a sadness, for the moment, to be trapped in Bangkok and unable to get to the sea (or, more specifically given the insane regulations, to be able to go there but not come back). I’ve actually never been to Samui. My favourite is Ao Soun Yai on Koh Maak, and the moment I can get there, I’ll go. Go yachting off Koh Maak in the 70s and you’d have stood a fine chance of being kidnapped by the Khmer Rouge and disappeared in Tuol Sleng (appropriately enough, the name means Strychnine Hill). It happened to a Northumbrian who I believe went to my school. Warnings from history all over the place. Terrible arrogance to believe our times are somehow magically different.

367886 ▶▶ Monty Greene, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #147 of 1993 🔗

Have you also sung John Adams’ setting of Whitman’s The Wound Dresser? Didn’t realise Barber had set that, will have a listen.

367996 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Monty Greene, 2, #148 of 1993 🔗

No, I haven’t. Just listened to it. It’s wonderful. (About the Barber I should have written baritone and string quartet, by the way, not orchestra.)

368212 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #149 of 1993 🔗

Moving indeed.

Remember friends, they’re only brave enough to attempt forcing this new world on us because of the police and armies they control – the ones you, I and every mortal that treads these shores pays for.

They’re cowards – their day will come.

Let reason be exhausted
In vain for all to see.
Then let the inevitable commence,
Hear our roar, feel our might
The people.
You may know us as we.

367352 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 9, #150 of 1993 🔗

Ever since this fiasco begun I have been confused about the death stats. Every Tuesday and Wednesday show high figures for the day before. As far as I am aware the register offices are closed Saturday and Sunday.

To my way of thinking the stats reported for Saturday and Sunday are reported to PHE from the hospitals, thus when the deaths are registered by the families on Mondays and Tuesdays I guess the figures are sent to PHE.

Therefore it seems to me that there is ‘double counting’ going on.

I would be happy if someone could tell me I am wrong or right.

Thank you for reading this post

367388 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Judy Watson, 14, #151 of 1993 🔗

The death statistics are hard to follow, I made a fool of myself yesterday by not realising the ONS had added an extra line to the weekly death report and then trying to reed the spreadsheet on an old mini-computer and getting the figure wrong! Sometimes it seems that the powers that be may be getting themselves into much the same sort of mess.
To my mind part of the problem arises because of the push at the start of this hoo-haa for daily death figures. So that we now have the the daily PHE/NHS/Gov scary daily death figures and these are very much subject to fluctuations due to weekends and holiday periods. Only later do we get the more definitive ONS report of registered deaths.

Clearly in April/May 2020 death rates went through the roof and alarmed everybody and drove the demand for rapid death figures. But in my view after April/May 2020 death rates have been much closer to the normal and not such as to warrant drastic public health actions. But having started this daily death data idea they are now hooked and we are bombarded with daily scary death figure in order to fuel the madness.

I feel we need some sort of Office for Statistical Reality to sort this out and give a clear picture. To some extent I thought and hoped the CEBM would fulfil this role but instead of embracing this worthy unit it seems the ruling Junta have sidelined them and Carl Heneghan has become one of the disappeared.

367421 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #152 of 1993 🔗

easy mistake to make! we’ve all done it

what we need is what Sweden has

https://scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/befolkning/befolkningens-sammansattning/befolkningsstatistik/pong/tabell-och-diagram/preliminar-statistik-over-doda/

our weekly all cause mortality is screwed up for about 4 weeks due to Xmas

367611 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #153 of 1993 🔗

Alarm is the whole point – at no point have they ever gone for reassurance because they know the truth is no more alarming than previous years ‘Elderly people dying of flu! An underfunded NHS getting overwhelmed!’ The true panic is being left out of the papers – see
off-guardian comments for a brilliant analysis of the US dollar being on the brink of collapse (middle of comments on the ‘I’m a covid denier’ article) – it’s the best explanation for what’s happening now with the fabricated pandemic in the world of interconnected currencies and economies and makes so much more sense than many of the other theories I’ve seen.

367355 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 14, #154 of 1993 🔗

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/20/it-is-a-journalists-duty-to-question-lockdown/

A good one in Spiked.

Here in the joyous land of Sturgeonia, we’ll have to endure at least 4-6 weeks of solitary confinement.

My small town is now a virtual dead zone; even the local Gregg’s has now closed, while children stay at home, apart from the lucky few.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/retailers-fear-losses-as-sturgeon-extends-lockdown-for-scots-till-mid-february-39986897.html

367375 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to wendyk, 10, #155 of 1993 🔗

I live in a city here and its very dead. Everyone still thinks it will be alright, once they realise it won’t be that’s when we have to get them to our side before the Sturgenator throws out some BS like UBI to hook them in.

She is a communist and must be removed.

367395 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to TheBigman, 15, #156 of 1993 🔗

Let’s hope, that if May’s elections do go ahead, that sufficient numbers will rebel against the Sturgeonator and the cult.

I’m still baffled by the strength of her hold over hitherto bolshy and tough minded Scots.

367545 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to wendyk, 3, #157 of 1993 🔗

I hope people revolt before then.

367398 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 12, #158 of 1993 🔗

She is an awful person that seems to have some hold over the population and I can’t help wondering if it’s all a diversion from her impending case with Mr salmond.

https://sourcenews.scot/robin-mcalpine-nicola-sturgeon-this-is-a-matter-of-the-integrity-of-scotland-as-a-nation/

It’s also worth noting one of heroes is Hilary Clinton. Isn’t our friend Ms Sridah in with the Clinton clan?

367486 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to stefarm, 8, #159 of 1993 🔗

Recently discovered a good word that describes her well – Termagant. “A harsh-tempered, or overbearing woman”

367502 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to vargas99, 3, #160 of 1993 🔗

Ooh I didn’t know only women could be termagants.
it suits her well

367506 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to vargas99, 1, #161 of 1993 🔗

Nice one, that’s a keeper

367519 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to stefarm, 4, #162 of 1993 🔗

Unfortunately, she mirrors the inner state of many Scottish people, hence her appeal.

367619 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jb12, 6, #163 of 1993 🔗

During my 10 years living in Scotland I’ve always sensed there was something authoritarian about many Scottish people. Ditto their puritan streak.

Probably why the SNP gets a free pass – they appeal to the inner authoritarian of the Scots.

367799 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #164 of 1993 🔗

Yes, exactly. And a large number of Scots are just a miserable bunch.

367963 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jb12, 2, #165 of 1993 🔗

Mr Bart who is Scottish has said that’s one thing he dislikes about the Scots.

368247 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #166 of 1993 🔗

The grievance mentality, which the Sturgeonator has raised to an art form.

368304 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #167 of 1993 🔗

If you don’t mind saying and since we are talking about country of birth, I have seen you say you come from a place much more authoritarian than here. Where were you born? (and you don’t have to answer!)

368835 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jb12, 3, #168 of 1993 🔗

I’m from the Philippines. Lived through a dictatorship (Marcos) and its “democracy” in name only but more of an oligarchy.

367542 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to wendyk, 11, #169 of 1993 🔗

C-19 is being leveraged to destroy small and medium-sized businesses and make people dependent on the state in line with the Agenda.

367557 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to wendyk, 19, #170 of 1993 🔗

Another day I shed more tears. I’m working up writing my next email to my useless brainwashed MP and I have this question. I am under house arrest for committing no crimes and I am not allowed visitors and yet I find that if I had committed a crime pre 2020 and was held prisoner at HM pleasure I would be entitled to visitors and more importantly my visitors would be able to travel to see me. Why can’t I?

https://www.sps.gov.uk/Corporate/Information/covid19/covid-19-information-hub.aspx

367361 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 132, #171 of 1993 🔗

There is no conceivable reason for lockdowns(to last) they should end tomorrow!

If the vaccine works, then you only need vaccinate the vulnerable, no not nurses, doctors, police, NHS admin, teachers etc etc, just those people likely to have severe covid! That’s enough to stop the NHS being overwhelmed & saving politicians careers.

If the vaccines don’t/aren’t working, then its evident there’s no magical cure & we have to live with covid19 the same way we have with every other respiratory disease before. There is no logical excuse to carry on with this.

REMEMBER we were told, vaccines were the only way to end LOCKDOWN !!! Now vaccines seem to be keeping us in lockdown.

STOP pissing away lives & money, increase hospital capacity you’ve had nearly a year to work it out.

This is not a public health crisis, they aren’t controlling a virus they are controlling us.

Stop living, Save the virus, Control lives?

367370 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Anti_socialist, 23, #172 of 1993 🔗

Well said and my sentiments exactly. We need businesses to open up like in Italy

367440 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Janette, 26, #173 of 1993 🔗

Believe me, some of us are trying! I wish my counterparts in this corner of NW Essex would grow a pair!

367471 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 19, #174 of 1993 🔗

Seriously considering that today’s blackboard should read:

I’m ready for my close-up, snitch.

OPEN FOR BUSINESS!

That’ll get Ms EHO choking on her biscuit!

367484 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #175 of 1993 🔗

Go, kh, go!!!!

367487 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #176 of 1993 🔗

If my business partner is reading this, he probably just choked on his coffee!

367500 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 3, #177 of 1993 🔗

I doubt she’ll get the reference! Great movie though.

367483 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #178 of 1993 🔗

Hear, hear!!! Like I’ve said before, if my workplace wants to break ranks and reopen, I will be the first to volunteer to work and welcome visitors with my smiling face.

367536 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #179 of 1993 🔗

To hell with the bloody vaccines with their limited efficacy and side effects.

Fortify immune systems (C,D3,Zinc + ionophore)

Treatments ( Ivermectin, Early stage HCQ)

367913 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #180 of 1993 🔗

That won’t do, we need the genocidal vaccines.

367578 ▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #181 of 1993 🔗

Not all the so called “vulnerable” wish to be vaccinated.

367916 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cotton Wool, 6, #182 of 1993 🔗

And I’m one of them. Come near me with their genocidal needle and I’ll take one of them with me.

367809 ▶▶ JASA, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #183 of 1993 🔗

Exactly. Very well said. This is the only message now that sceptics should be saying. People with access to the MSM, should be saying this continually. Come on Toby et al. hammer this point home.

367888 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #184 of 1993 🔗

It’s now primarily an international pi**ing contest about who has the least Covid deaths/million inhabitants.
And those nations that are at the bottom of that table are now focussing on being the fastest vaccinating ones instead- which could well increase their death toll over the others further in due course.

368650 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #185 of 1993 🔗

‘Lockdown’ (oddly it keeps coming up as ‘Lickdown’ on the ipatt) is simple gaslighting of the population. Very much like ‘Operation Iraqi Liberation’ or OIL.
It really is a Lock-up of people that did nothing else but comply with everything that was demanded from them for hundreds of years. Thousands, probably.

The rich always called the shots and as long as that is not remedied, they will continue to keep the upper fist. Trillions for war corporations – but nothing for the ruined lives of the many. As I mentioned before: compost the rich and things won’t be as bleak any longer.

367363 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 19, #186 of 1993 🔗

At tomorrows Daily Briefing the Director of Communications is expected to announce . . .

367415 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to karenovirus, 11, #187 of 1993 🔗

Act like you’re all aerosols.

367633 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to karenovirus, 2, #188 of 1993 🔗

They wont have these sharp suit made by Hugo Boss. They will look like fucking used cars salesman from the 90s. They cant even get their outfits rights, fucking disgrace.

367366 TC, 42, #189 of 1993 🔗

If people put up with lockdown after it’s first anniversary or,in particular,the Easter holiday then we have a real structural problem in UK society.
I personally,for what it’s worth, do not think any change in attitude will suddenly erupt; more likely is a gradual shuffling off of restrictions by people rather than the spontaneous throwing off of chains. It just seems more like the British self conscious way of wait and see what others will do first.
More positively, like others, I see more people on the roads in the morning going to work than at the beginning of the year.I live in a small city with a large public sector workforce so many may well be working from home but traffic outside the city in particular has increased markedly. People want to save their jobs and businesses despite the government, msm and police.
It would be nice if the public could respond by going out to support those people and use what busineese are open aand encourage others to open.
If this goes beyond Easter I do not know how we will cope with our perceptions of this country and it’s people let alone it’s politicians,journalists and scientists.

367369 danny, replying to danny, 43, #190 of 1993 🔗

Working on the premise that the government tends to float ideas as rumours in places like the Daily Mail to
gauge the public mood before deciding a course of action, every day this week has seen the goalposts move again. Now it is Easter, with drift into May/June. But I notice there is now talk of “the possible exception for schools”, which I can only assume is because longer closure for schools didn’t go down well.
This is why it is so very important never to acquiesce. Never to give a resigned shrug. Every day these zealots are testing the boundaries of our collective patience. There is no police force in the world that could enforce any of this against our will, let alone the 3 PCOs and a dog that most cities in the UK have. There is no politician in this spineless and petrified government and opposition that would not fold in a heartbeat if they felt the public was not with them.

367374 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to danny, 8, #191 of 1993 🔗

No police here at all (except when there’s a stabbing). The fine 1906 police station is now a (real) police museum complete with broken windows.

367387 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 26, #192 of 1993 🔗

We’ve got loads of police here. Especially when you are committing the heinous crime of doing what your customers want. But, get burgled, get verbally abused, report drug dealing and nada. Our police station and the land surrounding was developed into luxury housing – a snip at just over a million quid a time.

367378 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to danny, 16, #193 of 1993 🔗

I do think they float stuff in the media to gauge reaction. Which is why pushing back is important.

367791 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Waldorf, 2, #194 of 1993 🔗

If you haven’t come across it before see the “Overton WIndow” theory:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

367385 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to danny, 8, #195 of 1993 🔗

Been happening for years, notice how they get a solitary MP to always poke their head above & test the marksmans aim(public opinion) same as with covid non i mean non of these politicians are genuine i dont trust a single one of them. Not even Swaine.

367403 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #196 of 1993 🔗

None* i hate auto correct.

367437 ▶▶ Carmen B, replying to danny, 11, #197 of 1993 🔗

That happens here in Australia, too. The idea most floated is “let’s open the borders some and let more people in from overseas”. Sadly, it keeps getting shot down. Here on Prison Island, so many are glad the borders are still shut – either because they’re ridiculously afraid of importing more Kung Flu, or because they’re glad to see an indefinite halt to temporary migration. Vaccine scepticism is on the rise, though, so that’s one positive. Me and my husband are already wondering what’s on the horizon for the southern hemisphere winter. Most likely the stupid will continue, but I can dream.

I really do so much appreciate reading all your stories and your encouragement of each other. It makes me feel less alone in my views, which I just don’t feel able to express at work.

367372 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 25, #198 of 1993 🔗

Saw Bob Geldof yesterday face covered (literally) up to the eye balls walking into town. We live on opposite sides of Stonebridge Pond. He seemed surprised by my cheery call of “The disguise isn’t fooling anyone!”. Would have been better a day earlier but cheered me up anyway.

367410 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #199 of 1993 🔗

Feed the Paranoia, Bob.

367563 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 11, #200 of 1993 🔗

Like Bono, another, woke, hectoring Irish asshole. On behalf of Ireland, I would like to thank the UK for taking Geldof – can you pick up Bono as well?

367637 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #201 of 1993 🔗

Noooo…..can we send him back?

If you don’t want him, we can send him to Alpha Centauri.

368368 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #202 of 1993 🔗

Yes but Van the Man is doing his bit for freedom

367735 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #203 of 1993 🔗

Gob Beldorf

367373 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 19, #204 of 1993 🔗

Glad to see the communist goals being realised by more people.

THIS MUST BE RESISTED!

Think the great reset is a ‘conspiracy’ please tell me why so many countries in the west have followed the same creation of rules and laws. Why so many ghosts of the political past i.e Brown, Blair etc are calling for World government.

It’s all a stepping stone. Do not think we are on the same level as the political class, they won’t get vaccinated much in the same way Blair would continue to fly in private jets as “science will find the answer” to climate change which he quite obviously doesn’t believe in apart from to push further control, the same control that the covid emergency powers are granting by decree.

This is fast becoming a war of ideals, yet only one side realise it and its not us.

367805 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to TheBigman, 4, #205 of 1993 🔗

I really don’t understand this push towards World Government. Given how sclerotic the EU has shown itself to be in these and past times why do they think that WG would be any better?

It’s ironic that as nations seek to take back their own sovereignty and self determination the useful idiots push for more b ureaucracy

367380 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 24, #206 of 1993 🔗

Response topics raised

  1. How can masks work? If you don’t eat your meat, if you don’t eat your meat, how can your mask work! (Masks become saturated within in minutes of use, you’d have to change them every 10 minutes, continuously touching your face, but what about your eyes? Should we blindfold ourselves too?)
  2. Modelling isn’t fucking science, its arrogant speculative assumption.
  3. We’ve entered a new medieval period for sure.
  4. Yes each life has equal value, just not all lives are equal, I sincerely believe my life is more important than yours (nature made me & you this way) I fully understand if you feel the opposite way. No one has a right to chose who gets to live or die, NO ONE not government, not the NHS, not lockdown communists, not sage, not nervtag, not science technocrats, NO ONE, nature intended it to be this way, I wont be socially shamed, blackmailed or manipulated into abandoning natural process & believing otherwise, the social contract has limitations.
  5. No the NHS doesn’t have heroes it has employees, people paid by public taxes to serve the interests of their patients.
  6. PC Gobbledegook: Fuck Off (freedom of speech, its my right to offend, hate speech bigots)
  7. Yes masks exhale more smoke than an Amazon forest fire, the only medical effect they have is in suffocating you & raising your blood pressure.
367384 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #207 of 1993 🔗

On point 5 I have taken Alison in the DT to task on her sugary, heroes NHS in today’s rather weak article, including her assertion that we should be proud of our trust in the UK in politicians and scientists. Is she edging to the dark side?

367400 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hattie, 2, #208 of 1993 🔗

She’s a communist!

367434 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Hattie, 3, #209 of 1993 🔗

Yes, she’s gone noticeably weak since things started getting a bit ‘hot’ this winter. Ross Clark too. Didn’t even bother reading that article when I saw the title.

367406 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #210 of 1993 🔗

Point 7. In my case, mask wearing induces panic attacks.

367514 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #211 of 1993 🔗

In this context

thelightpaper.co.uk for November 2020 front page highlights the “Government’s ‘Disastrous Policies’ Breaking Human Rights Laws

367917 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #212 of 1993 🔗

Inside Health on R4 reported yday about the increased use of home oxygen monitors. Another ludicrous measure by the NHS.

One person who was told by the doctor to use one admitted he did not get the proper instructions from his doctor how to use it and what the readings mean until 2 days after!
One health official said they dished out 1600 and they need monitoring. Anyone with a saturation of between 92-94% for a period of at least 1h is deemed at risk and advice to go to hospital to receive oxygen.
The above mentioned patient was positive, had low oxygen for several days which mad him physical unwell and was put on increasing oxygen for a week. No mention if any other drugs given. C leads to inflammation of the cells, and you can pump as much oxygen into a person until they blow up, if the blood is unable to convert it, due to the inflammation, there is no point!

367381 Nigel Sherratt, 7, #213 of 1993 🔗

The article on masks by Roger Koops is essential reading (link just above The Great Barrington Declaration headline). An organic chemistry PhD who knows about PPE when it really is a matter of life or death. Can be saved as a pdf too.

367383 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 12, #214 of 1993 🔗

So Brendan states we recognise Covid is real and dangerous. But how dangerous considering we know the demographics of those affected – is it really more dangerous than a bad influenza year? Surely his argument for lockdowns should also be on the disproportionate response to this respiratory virus. I also note he had to mention, we have always acknowledged the seriousness….this is like making your excuses for what you are about to state, similar to stating you are not a racist before putting forward a balanced argument on uncontrolled migration. Lastly, it is disappointing to see him use the term anti vaxxer in such a derogatory manner, which we know includes anyone who question the safety of the current vaccine regime – and all this endorsed by this site hmmm. Not impressed.

367392 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Hattie, 9, #215 of 1993 🔗

Yep, me too.
I refused to sign something which was arguing for a lifting of restrictions in my industry because it included lines about recognising the seriousness of the disease and the need for some restrictions.
I will not play the game.

367393 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Hattie, 20, #216 of 1993 🔗

just because something exists and is dangerous doesn’t mean everyone should be stripped of their rights

cars are dangerous

367457 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Hattie, 15, #217 of 1993 🔗

Life is dangerous. If you don’t want danger then you have to stop living.

367635 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Achilles, 5, #218 of 1993 🔗

That’s exactly what the sheeples have done.

367390 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #219 of 1993 🔗

” In fact, the infection rate began to slowdown in the week after Christmas, as the graph from the ZOE Covid Symptom Study App shows.”

true – but the driver of the infection rate, the R value had actually peaked on the 17th December

the below is calculated directly from the Zoe data – Xmas has nothing to do with the R rate and neither do the restrictions (which we saw clearly in the March spike and decline)

367411 ▶▶ popo says, replying to steve_w, 2, #220 of 1993 🔗

So, another ‘self-limiting’ phenomenon – just like the March/April one. But they won’t have it.

367416 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to popo says, 7, #221 of 1993 🔗

yes, a seasonal cycle – endemic now – nothing to do but get on with our lives

367391 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 64, #222 of 1993 🔗

Britain maintains the worst Covid death rate in the world.
A sane person might conclude that Lockdowns, masks and vaccines don’t work.

367915 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to PatrickF, 15, #223 of 1993 🔗

The UK (and the USA) was never and still isn’t suited and able to pull off a mitigation strategy.
Unlike Germany, it didn’t have tens of thousands of tracers already in place and its economy and society is just not made for that.
Like any other island or remote border (FIN, N) country, it could have pulled off a suppression strategy, but only in the beginning and with continued strict border closures and hotel qurantines, for good.
Now, it’s far too late and impossible to switch to that.
It and the USA would have done far, far better on every metric including Covid deaths, if it had stuck to keeping schools, the NHS and all businesses open, people unmasked and focussed on helping the
vulnerable and care homes instead.
Now, it (and the USA) is on the road to disaster, bankrupcy and Liberal Fascism.

368057 ▶▶ Simon, replying to PatrickF, 13, #224 of 1993 🔗

I pointed out to my Dad, whose not been sceptical or zealot (one of the masses I guess) at new year by phone, that nothing the government had done has worked if we’re in this mess now.

He paused and said, that’s right.

There are always more people thinking like this that don’t venture onto the internet like us. I know many more that think none of this works, they just don’t use forums or even the internet.

367394 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 52, #225 of 1993 🔗

I wonder how many of these hospital admissions are down to the stay-at-home types who only venture out of their sanitised bubbles once a week for shopping?

I’ve been working cheek by jowl with the general public since the start of this whole fiasco, no social distancing, no masks, handling filthy money every day. My immune system is being challenged and exercised daily, and as such I’ve barely had a tickle in my throat (I also take Vit D and zinc supplements to give me a boost).

On what planet to the bedwetters belive that drowning themselves in hand gel and jumping out of each others’ way will save them?

367412 ▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Scotty87, 47, #226 of 1993 🔗

Me too Scotty and on top of that I was diagnosed with Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma ( a type of blood cancer) in early June. I have carried on regardless through chemo (indeed that is the only place where I have HAD to wear a mask), luckily for me I am a very positive person and have worked, shopped, exercised, seen my 86 year old mother every Sunday and eaten very much as normal. I am out the other side, and so is my mother still without a mask or shielding. Out of all the cancers, blood cancers have the worst prognosis for Cv19 as its all about the immune system. Admittedly I do not consider myself old at 56 but nor am I a spring chicken. By all accounts I still should be dead due to my ignoring of all the rules.

367501 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Thomasina, 14, #227 of 1993 🔗

I’m very glad to hear you’re out the other side. My very best wishes to you for a happy and healthy future.

367517 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Thomasina, 12, #228 of 1993 🔗

Fantastic! A great example of what positive thinking can do – something those effing modellers can’t incorporate into their calculations – and I very much hope that you’ll carry on being normal!

367632 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Thomasina, 9, #229 of 1993 🔗

Live long and prosper, my heroine!

368711 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Thomasina, 2, #230 of 1993 🔗

You’re an inspiration. Thanks for sharing.

367492 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 21, #231 of 1993 🔗

Unfortunately many people have been brainwashed and now believe that a piece of cloth over their face, dousing themselves with some weird smelling gunk and jumping 10 feet in the air will save them. There is no rational thought process, they just took it as an article of faith.

367497 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 20, #232 of 1993 🔗

Exactly. I’ve just seen this on gab which I thought I might use the next time someone harasses me over face rags:

Masks increase mortality because breathing through them nebulizes aerosols into smaller ones which bypass mucosal immunity & reach all the way into the alveoli, leading to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS).

367543 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 6, #233 of 1993 🔗

Great stuff. I will memorise that to quote back at anyone who has a go at me with muzzles.

368646 ▶▶▶ number 6, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #234 of 1993 🔗

Am in my late 70’s now. Remember mum telling me to make sure to blow my nose so as to prevent re-infection, and a dirty hanky was FORBIDDEN
She must be turning in her grave now to see all those sheep wearing a bit of dirty cloth strapped to their faces !!!!!!!!

368841 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to number 6, 3, #235 of 1993 🔗

Agree. Why they have not resurrected “catch it, bin it, kill it” has been a mystery.

367597 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Scotty87, #236 of 1993 🔗

On planet MSM.

368629 ▶▶ number 6, replying to Scotty87, 3, #237 of 1993 🔗

I suppose the currently held belief that its the Health Services and prescription medicines are the only defence against pestilence. Many have no inkling about things like the immune system.

367396 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 12, #238 of 1993 🔗

A poster called ‘sam club’ posted this last night on the other thread, on the subject of face covering exemptions:

‘…here even if [you] have an exemption they say you have to wear a ‘face shield’…’

I replied there but I’m not sure Sam will see it – I know that I don’t get notifications of posts/replies, so I’m assuming Sam doesn’t either. If they don’t see the reply over there then hopefully they’ll see it here, and this might well help others, too:

Thank you, Sam.

Here we go again. Firstly, you can tell these ignorant araeholes you do NOT ‘have to wear’ a face shield/visor. Second, point the bone idle tossers to this:

‘Face visors or shields

A face visor or shield may be worn in addition to a face covering but not instead of one. This is because face visors or shields do not adequately cover the nose and mouth.’

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own#how-to-wear-a-face-covering

367401 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #239 of 1993 🔗

I thought that droplets and aerosoles saw the face shield and either hurled themselves onto it, or swerved around, like a mask wearer swerves around me.

367397 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 49, #240 of 1993 🔗

Talking to a non mask wearing, lanyard wearing barrista in a coffee shop yesterday.
“The pandemic should’ve brought out the best in people, instead it’s brought out the worst.”

367399 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 2, #241 of 1993 🔗

I thought droplets and aerosols saw the face shield and either hurled themselves onto it, or swerved around.

367408 ▶▶ popo says, replying to PatrickF, 2, #242 of 1993 🔗

A Spanish lawyer’s wisdom indeed.

367493 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 4, #243 of 1993 🔗

S/he is not wrong there. It’s so true and that was what was being discussed here yesterday.

367627 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 6, #244 of 1993 🔗

Sums it up.
It’s what Lord Russell of Liverpool, talking about Hoess and Eichmann, called ‘the appalling and disastrous effect of totalitarianism on men’s minds’.

367402 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, #245 of 1993 🔗

I feel like Neil Diamond – Solitary Man we’ll all be in solitary soon.

367420 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #246 of 1993 🔗

Don’t be so downbeat. To steal a ‘follow the science’ analogy; the level of fear and intimidation peaked just before the government bottled mandatory vaccinations. The curve is a steady downward slope from here. It’s time to slap on some skis and enjoy the ride.

367426 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #247 of 1993 🔗

Sorry Always Look on the Bright Side of Life

There’s something you’ve forgotten

And that’s to laugh and smile and dance and sing

When you’re feeling in the dumps

Don’t be silly chumps

Just purse your lips and whistle,

Oh wait that’s banned too.

367458 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #248 of 1993 🔗

Nice. There ain’t gonna be no gulags, or forced injections. I therefore laugh in the face of anything other than this that can be thrown our way.

368354 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #249 of 1993 🔗

I honestly think one of the quickest ways of ending this bollocks would be for Monty Python to do a comeback classic and ridicule these pathetic pricks.

Monsieur Jean-san, Monsieur ‘An-cock, I fart in your general direction…

367405 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 31, #250 of 1993 🔗

Two quick observations from the ” front line ” . This week the office team have been ringing round telling the elderly that their vaccination appointment is postponed so there does seem to be supply problems but I am told it is only for a few days. Secondly yes a lot of ITU covid cases are younger than 70 , but most fall into the extremely vulnerable or vulnerable categories . They are not random 55 year olds I assure you. Indeed once those with a BMI over 40 ( morbidly obese ) are offered the vaccine there will be a dramatic reduction in ITU burden.

367423 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Peter Thompson, 8, #251 of 1993 🔗

Front line workers vaccinated this week (in my area at least) so we might see that burden lifted sooner rather than later 😉

What are your views on the jab PT? (I have recently politely declined but am not overly invested in the decision).

367429 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #252 of 1993 🔗

For those who are vulnerable by age eg over 70 or underlying significant illness eg COPD, cystic fibrosis etc etc then weighing up the risks I say yes. Obviously not for someone who is moribund , as Norway has demonstrated .

367451 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Peter Thompson, 13, #253 of 1993 🔗

Age alone shouldn’t be the criterion (from this fit 70-y-o who will NOT be having the experimental vaccine, at least not till the trials are completed in Jan 2023 and reported on.

368667 ▶▶▶▶▶ number 6, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #254 of 1993 🔗

I’m with you here. NEVER had a vax since the Smallpox as a child / baby , so don’t know if I have any alergies etc. NEVER been floored by flu like illness er…. have to think… EVER. So what’s the point ???

367442 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #255 of 1993 🔗

From a BBC online ‘fear’ piece this morning about Mae, a 23y.o. in intensive care in Scotland – seems the jab didn’t protect them – did it even bring on the Covid?
“Mae and her parents Jaramias and Sonia, from Cumbernauld, North Lanarkshire, tested positive for Covid within days of being vaccinated for their jobs.”

367476 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to BTLnewbie, 20, #256 of 1993 🔗

Nobody, it seems, wants to consider the obvious; that these vaccines are harmful to a not-inconsiderable number of people.

367513 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #257 of 1993 🔗

This seems very true. If our death rate post vaccination mirrors that of Norway, then it must be close to 4000 deaths by now, surely? Why aren’t we being told?

367528 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to sophie123, 6, #258 of 1993 🔗

There’s a considerable spike in deaths ~3000 from the ONS for the first week in January. Coincidence?

368401 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to sophie123, 5, #259 of 1993 🔗

Hancock: Thank you for your question, and what a marvellous question it is. To ensure the community at large remain as up to date as possible, my conspirators at the ONS collate all of the data and package it into one nice tidy number which reflects the all cause mortality for that particular day. Under the Data Protection Act I’m afraid I’m not at liberty to discuss individual aspects of data, thus remains you’re not at any liberty at all.

I seek no sympathy whatsoever, but sister’s husband’s mother’s cleaner’s tortoise, Stanley, has sadly succumbed to this dreadful unprecedented disease by opening his mouth to grasp a seemingly precious piece of lettuce – none more so precious as his tragically taken life.

So let’s not let his life be without merit or message, and please keep your mouth firmly shut, so we can begin the seriously hard task ahead, and build back better.

Let’s ask not what we could have done for Stanley, but what Stanley has done for us.

368745 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #260 of 1993 🔗

Excellent!

368681 ▶▶▶▶▶ number 6, replying to sophie123, 2, #261 of 1993 🔗

Joseph Goebbels would have kept it secret, so why wouldn’t his Students?

367512 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to Peter Thompson, 8, #262 of 1993 🔗

Shows yet again the perverse nature of lockdowns too particularly lockdowns for extended periods. Perhaps people in the high BMI category are safer from the virus staying home but all the while due to inactivity they become more vulnerable so when they do catch it is much worse.

BTW I do genuinely believe that the original intention was for the first lockdown to be quite short but then mission creep set in.

367624 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Peter Thompson, 5, #263 of 1993 🔗

Secondhand from someone who works at our local hospital: medical staff are furious because at the end of each jabbing session, ‘spare’ doses of snake oil are being given to administrative staff because they are conveniently there, doing nothing, whereas medical staff are always busy and never get into the queue.

368747 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, -1, #264 of 1993 🔗

Good way to reduce the bloated numbers of admin staff in the NHS?

368725 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Peter Thompson, 1, #265 of 1993 🔗

I had a suspicion they’d be the fatties.

367407 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 35, #266 of 1993 🔗

One of the most hilarious developments of this whole sorry episode is the sight of a Corbynista rag like the Guardian obsequiously doing the bidding of a Boris Johnson government.

More proof if you need it that these people are attracted to authoritarianism like flies are to shit.

367425 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Scotty87, 16, #267 of 1993 🔗

they support Boris because his position has moved to theirs

368415 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to steve_w, 4, #268 of 1993 🔗

I don’t suppose their salaries being subsidised by Billy-boy Gates has anything to do with it either.

367495 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 17, #269 of 1993 🔗

I’ve always been mystified that the most rabid lockdownistas also had a hatred of Johnson and the Tories that’s verging on the pathological and insane.

They should have been fighting this lockdown tooth and nail, Instead they have been the most rabid cheerleaders.

Most odd.

367409 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 22, #270 of 1993 🔗

Is the reason so few people in ICUs are over 80 because they have all been bullied into signing DNRs or because doctors have done triage and decided that actually (contrary to the hysteria) with finite resources it is better to save the life of a 60 year old than a 90 year old?

367414 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #271 of 1993 🔗

They’re all jumped up Lord Sumptions! 😂 😂 😂

367523 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #272 of 1993 🔗

The latter.

367554 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 7, #273 of 1993 🔗

I know that patients 90 plus may not get the treatment younger people would get because their bodies are too frail to withstand the treatment, e.g. a major operation involving a general anaesthetic. I would imagine similar considerations would apply to ICU care.

368705 ▶▶ number 6, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #274 of 1993 🔗

In my (not personal) experience I’ve seen that Doctors are more than willing to help anyone provided they are reasonably healthy. How many hip replacements has Her Majesty had? And my healthy wife got hers fast tracked only last year !!! All they required was for her Vitamin D level to be boosted before the OPP’ 150 %+++ Successful and counting!

367413 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 33, #275 of 1993 🔗

“Theresa May: PM’s foreign aid cut damaged UK’s moral leadership, says predecessor”
I think we abandoned our moral leadership when we stripped everyone of their rights, put them under house arrest and started cancelling elections

368751 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #276 of 1993 🔗

I think we abandoned it decades before that!

367417 Tom Blackburn, 30, #277 of 1993 🔗

Nice to see “us” come out swinging with the articles today being a lot more combative. I’d like us to be less equivocal though. There is no need to feel bruised by anything “they” say. It is almost all untrue or deliberately misconstrued anyway – so doesn’t need lining up against sceptic views for comparison. ‘There Was No Christmas Surge’ should’ve been the lead and should be rammed down bedwetters throats for a full 24 hrs until tomorrow’s lead story; ‘Restrictions Aren’t Working’ is rammed down their throats for the following 24 hrs. ‘The Vaccine Isn’t Doing Anything’ next.

And so on.

367418 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 19, #278 of 1993 🔗

Things that should be banned if health is more important than human rights

1 – abortions
2 – smoking
3 – drinking
4 – going out of the house
5 – staying in the house
6 – using power tools without having had the appropriate training
7 – rugby
8 – meeting old people
9 – driving
10 – being happy and safe (leads to risk compensation)

367445 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to steve_w, 16, #279 of 1993 🔗

Eating, you could choke. Walking in a wood, a branch could fall on you. Flying, the plane could crash, crossing the road, cycling, having a shower, you could slip … that is how ridiculous the precautionary principle is. Everyone sits on a plane, 40000 feet in the air, a hand of fate or serious mechanical issue and that’s your lot, but hey, make sure you wear that mask to save a life.

367499 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 7, #280 of 1993 🔗

In other words we should just stop existing.

I’m amazed that the lockdownistas have not been advocating mass hara-kiri to stop the spread of the virus.

367570 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #281 of 1993 🔗

Yep to stop us going extinct, we should all kill ourselves.

367641 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #282 of 1993 🔗

That’s what I’ve told those who profess to care for the environment. They always go silent when I talk of mass suicides.

367553 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to steve_w, 6, #283 of 1993 🔗

Horse riding, motorcycling, driving, skiing, eating nuts, sex, biscuits, cycling on the public highway….

368075 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #284 of 1993 🔗

Cor I read that too quick. I suddenly thought what the hell are sex biscuits, and more importantly where can I get some?

367555 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to steve_w, 4, #285 of 1993 🔗

Cows, the most dangerous animal in Britain.

367617 ▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 8, #286 of 1993 🔗
  1. Being alive. It’s 100% fatal in the long run.
368288 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Annie, 2, #287 of 1993 🔗

The biggest cause of death is birth.

368341 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #288 of 1993 🔗

The closest I have ever come to death (twice) was giving birth. So that needs to be outlawed too.

368720 ▶▶▶ number 6, replying to Annie, #289 of 1993 🔗

Err… Is that another Conspiracy Theory ???

368338 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to steve_w, 1, #290 of 1993 🔗

Definitely horse riding

367422 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 4, #291 of 1993 🔗

Seeking a Friend for the End of the World (@GabrielUtasi) Tweeted: There is no pandemic. I’ve fixed my chart to show “DEATHS” compared to “CASES” as well as the view compared to the POPULATION. “Quotation marks” aren’t an accident.

#plandemic
#nomasks
#GraphicDesign #data #facts https://t.co/20Pj9FfZD5
https://twitter.com/GabrielUtasi/status/1351618993908559872?s=20

Ivor Cummins retweeted these graphs which, for me, put the whole fiasco into perspective.

367432 ▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to Margaret, 6, #292 of 1993 🔗

Here’s the charts

367443 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to PeeDubbya, 1, #293 of 1993 🔗

Thanks PD. I still haven’t learned how to post a photo to this page. Pathetic, isn’t it?

367465 ▶▶▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to Margaret, 3, #294 of 1993 🔗

This is the little button on my iPhone screen that I press to attach pics from my phones photo library

367475 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to PeeDubbya, #295 of 1993 🔗

How does the ‘deaths to cases’ figure square with an IFR of 0.27%?

367504 ▶▶▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to BTLnewbie, #296 of 1993 🔗

Not my graphs BTL, but here’s the info the OP used to create the charts.
Of course, we all know that the number of ‘cases’ is highly skewed

367779 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to PeeDubbya, 2, #297 of 1993 🔗

ENITRE It always looks better when you spell correctly or people assume the analysis matches the spelling.

367424 p02099003, replying to p02099003, #298 of 1993 🔗

Chasing gold at the end of a rainbow.

367561 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to p02099003, 3, #299 of 1993 🔗

They tried that in the US, look what happened, then they had a “free & fair” election, look what happened, the people showed their upset at the “free & fair” election, look what’s happening, they need the army to enforce democracy, even there they are weeding out any suspect dissenting soldiers voices.

Q. Why is it the biggest exporter of democracy across the world needs the biggest security force to protect the “democratically” elected leader?

367430 p02099003, 3, #300 of 1993 🔗

Can we impeach the government?

367431 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 8, #301 of 1993 🔗

Wow, check this YouGov description out. Looks like someone knows what’s going on!

367433 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #302 of 1993 🔗

Sweden all cause mortality 2020 compared to 5 year average

dropped to -1000 before March spike. March spike put it to +3500.

This winter got it to +5000

Trivial in the scheme of things

368210 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #303 of 1993 🔗

There is a massive problem in using 2015-2019 as a baseline for comparison. It was a period of remarkably low mortality.

Although that emphasizes how unexceptional was 2020.

367435 John P, replying to John P, 4, #304 of 1993 🔗

I was on here late last night and was viciously bullied by a troll.

I’ll say this once again. MY OPINIONS ARE NOT PERSONAL.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS PLANNED.

OKAY? OKAY?

IS THAT OKAY??

THAT’S MY OPINION.

AND IN THAT RESPECT I AM ON THE SAME PAGE AS TOBY YOUNG.

SO MAYBE IT’S NOT ME (AND TOBY) WHO ARE THE GOVERNMENT AGENTS HERE.

PERSONALLY I DOUBT THAT THERE ARE ANY. BUT THAT’S JUST ME!

THAT’S JUST MY OPINION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM SICK TO THE BACK TEETH OF THE NASTY SNIDE CYNICAL, SMUG BASTARDS WHO COME ON HERE.

367446 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to John P, 32, #305 of 1993 🔗

Toby and your camp believe that:

1-Doris and the SAGE short for Morons, have just made mistake after mistake. And here we are.

2-They are not listening to any science whatsoever, but hysterical models and exaggerated data fraud.

3-It is a political act contrived to make Doris the ‘saviour of the nation’ and enshrine the ‘scientific’ technocracy as the new church.

Most of us would agree with the above. However , the LONGER this fraud goes on, the more likely that there is something else going on….because none of this, NONE, makes any bloody sense.

367452 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to FerdIII, 9, #306 of 1993 🔗

here is a mistake that cost 45 million lives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign

politicians, advisors and shitty scientists are quite capable of making catastrophic judgements whilst believing they are doing the right thing

367459 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to steve_w, 1, #307 of 1993 🔗

Yes, they have a long history of failure and fraud, including the Warmtard fraud. I noticed that the Warmtards are keen LD fascists….must be something in the data fraud that excites their intolerance….

367489 ▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 17, #308 of 1993 🔗

I don’t believe that this was planned, either, or not by human agency. .I believe that it’s an outbreak of literally diabolical evil, conducted by men and women who have, knowingly or unknowingly, sold themselves to the Devil.
Many people will find that absurd. We all have our views.
I do have to say, though, that the sheer unreason of it all is highly conducive to conspiracy theory. But, as Primo Levi was told on arrival in Auschwit z, Hier ist kein warum : there is no ‘why’ here.

367527 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Annie, 15, #309 of 1993 🔗

I think I agree. These people are warped. They think they are doing the right thing, whether it’s killing Jews, or destroying society, mental health and human connection. Their messianic zeal is what keeps them going. I don’t think they recognise the evil within them. They truly believe they are righteous.

this is why they are so dangerous.

368400 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to sophie123, #310 of 1993 🔗

This from, Cities of The Red Night by William Burroughs 1981..” So Jerry was a carrier of the illness. He did not die of it directly. Winkler, who was Thirty years older died in a few days. Well… there are those who think a selective pestilence is the most humane solution to overpopulation and the attendant impasses of pollution, inflation, and exhaustion of natural resources . A plague that kills the old and leaves the young, minus a reasonable percentage…one might be tempted to let such an epidemic run its course even if one had the power to stop it”

368100 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 2, #311 of 1993 🔗

Sorry Annie totally agree. as I was upvoting my dog hit my phone and I hit the down vote. So I agree but poppy the cocker spaniel does not.

368272 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #312 of 1993 🔗

Maybe it’s time for walkies!

Anyway, I am willing to bet the Poppy has more common sense than Piffle.

367546 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to John P, 8, #313 of 1993 🔗

I tend towards your view and Toby’s John with some James Delingpole thrown in. This was primarily c0ckup and panic which has been jumped on by some bad actors whose interests converged eg China and big tech.

Keep posting and ignore the trolls. Most people are not on the extreme end of the argument but those that are tend to be more vocal. I have to say that the one thing I would ask the conspiracy theorists is do they think whoever decided to invite David Icke to speak at the initial protests did our cause a favour or a disservice? If ever there was a case of black propaganda imho that was it! 😂

To the people who feel the need to aggressively troll John I would say that to the rest of us your refusal to brook any nuance or dissent from your position is very reminiscent of the behaviour of the lockdown cultists.

367764 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to John P, 3, #314 of 1993 🔗

Agreed
need to be sceptical of everything
Even this great reset /plandemic stuff

367436 John P, replying to John P, 47, #315 of 1993 🔗

Just to say. I have learned a lot over the months about communication while being here.

I do have personal issues. I live alone – I’ve always lived alone. I always wanted to be married but had terrible confidence problems regarding the opposite sex despite doing well at school.

I’m now in middle age and have worked from home for ten years. My only social contacts are my parents. I don’t have any friends these days outside of my immediate family.

I’ve had two mental breakdowns in my life and was “sectioned” on both occasions. Happily not since 2005. I regard myself as essentially healthy. I had hypnotherapy for a number of years and never take any form of medication. I have made use of the Samaritans as well on numerous occasions, though have never been suicidal.

But it’s clear though to me from my experiences here that I still find communications difficult. I can get triggered and lash out. People can take offence. But I have also learned not to bear grudges and know not to take things personally – though that I find difficult to achieve.

I think because of the way I communicate on here and because some here are deeply cynical and suspicious of others that I have been singled out for suspicion.

It is deeply upsetting.

I know that I’m a genuine person anyway! And I know I have just as much right to comment here as anyone else. And as Brendan O’Neill would say, “You have a right to be offended”.

That’s free speech for you!

367447 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John P, 4, #316 of 1993 🔗

Have you tried linking in with one of the KBF local groups dotted around the country? Could be a decent source of interaction/socialisation for you..

367449 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to John P, 7, #317 of 1993 🔗

Thanks for sharing. You are not alone. And you have your parents, a job, your health….so you are blessed.

367482 ▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 22, #318 of 1993 🔗

I lash out too. And am made to regret it. I get angry too quickly.

Keep posting, JohnP. Differing viewpoints are the oxygen of debate. If a conversation consists entirely of agreements, you know it’s being conducted by Dufflepuds.

367521 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to John P, 26, #319 of 1993 🔗

Keep posting, John. Your viewpoint is as valid as anybody else’s. I too got very upset being called a liar for expressing truly held beliefs and stating facts about my close circle of family. Some people don’t like it if your experience doesn’t exactly mirror theirs so assume you must be lying.
We need to keep stating our opinion as it is as valid as anybody else’s. Mine, very briefly is this:
1) Covid-19 does exist. I know people who’ve had it and it can be very unpleasant.
2) I don’t know anyone who has been seriously ill or died of it but I do believe it is fatal for some vulnerable people.
3) Notwithstanding 1 & 2 I believe our government’s overreaction has been unforgivable. We never closed the country down before for a bad flu season and we shouldn’t have done so this time. March may have been forgivable due to fear of the unknown, but once we knew what we were dealing with we should have reversed course rapidly.
4) I don’t hold with conspiracy theories. At first I said there was no conspiracy at all. Now, however, I believe there is a massive arse covering conspiracy going on. They’ve painted themselves and us into such a tight corner that they only now have the vaccine to get them out. I won’t be taking the vaccine until trials are complete in 2023. If it doesn’t work or a lot of people won’t take it then what’s next?
5) Politicians are self serving and nest liners – they just can’t help themselves, so the nice little sidelines for cronies of test and trace, PPE and vaccine profits are just too hard to resist but not the main driver behind this.

Those are my thoughts. Anyone is allowed to disagree with them.

368307 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to WasSteph, 2, #320 of 1993 🔗

I’ve had people tell me (not here, happily) that I didn’t refuse chemotherapy 13 years ago, that the oncologist didn’t tell me that I would die without it, and that she refused to give me statistics on the impact of chemotherapy on mortality for my type of cancer. I suppose they’d also tell me that I’m not alive to tell the tale 13 years later. The experience certainly didn’t help my confidence in medical advice. Feel free to disagree. I’m used to it.

367793 ▶▶ iansn, replying to John P, 7, #321 of 1993 🔗

Stay strong John, there are many, many more people struggling with the same problems as you have than you could ever imagine. Keep posting, keep believing

367982 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to John P, 9, #322 of 1993 🔗

Dear John, early on in my career in hospitality, working shifts, I learned that writing messages, especially whilst upset, can backfire terribly.
When speaking the other side can hear in your voice anger, sarcasm irony, fear, a question. This is not possible in writing.
Later I had a manager who liked to e-mail. Quite often I wrote a reply whilst upset. I did not press send. An hour later I deleted it, unread, and wrote a polite, to the point answer.
I think on here messages get misunderstood. People reply without much consideration.
I saw the thread you talked about and gave the reply to you a thumbs down.
Yes, sometimes your comments irk me too, but I appreciate them, too, as quite often it leads to a lively discussion.
I, too, live alone with a VERY limited social life, am unable to work and coming on here has kept me sane. It is difficult if you get a negative response from people you think are like you.
But even if we all want the same end goal, we are all different and we need to be, question opinions and respect others’ theories.
Not being able to exchange yourself with people apart from this site, not being able to talk about negative replies you get, will have an effect and I am glad that you have reached out to the Samaritans.
Best wishes.

368479 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to John P, 4, #323 of 1993 🔗

Personally, I’m beyond the incompetence theory thus disagree.

But I’ll die for you to be able to spout whatever you wish to spout, so my kids and everyone else’s, can spout whatever they choose to too.

I don’t have enough digits to count the number of times my mum and sister have been sectioned – both hands – so I’m well aware of courage to even disclose such an experience (without a hint of condescension).

If you ever find yourself in rural southern Denmark or Greenwich, let’s agree to disagree over a beverage of your choice. I’m buying.

367438 John P, replying to John P, 16, #324 of 1993 🔗

Oldie but goldie. Coincidence that there’s a growing sliver of deaths attributed to covid19 in 4Q20, precisely compensating for the rather surprising observation that deaths from all other causes falls by precisely that same amount, hence no excess deaths?

Frankly, that’s so unlikely that it can be dismissed. Why?

A population with restricted access to the NHS for up to 9mo, during which time there was a very large fall in referrals & completed consultant episodes for illnesses that lead to mortality, isn’t one where “fewer deaths” is a reasonable expectation.
Most people would say if asked “that’ll lead to increased deaths, if anything”. Mr Occam would probably pop his head round the door & wink.

A more plausible explanation, consistent with other datasets, is that London reached herd immunity during the spring pandemic, hence no excess deaths.

As to deaths attributed to covid19, that only requires that PCR mass testing yields a substantial fraction of positive results which are false. It’s noteworthy that in the Swansea study in late summer, somewhere between 80-90% of PCR positives turned out, upon retesting, to have been false. But I’m bored with pointing this out, so suit yourselves!

Dr Mike Yeadon.

367455 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to John P, 8, #325 of 1993 🔗

Imagine if PCR tested for AIDS and gave the same ludicrous inaccuracy in results. (It was never designed for CV to start with). And all these dead would now be ‘AIDS’, we would be in AIDS-hysteria, with demands not to bend over in communal showers, wear a diaper around your pants, refrain from the bath houses etc. etc.

367466 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to FerdIII, 4, #326 of 1993 🔗

IIRC It was originally designed to detect HIV, but couldn’t diagnose AIDS only that the virus was there.

367439 FerdIII, 15, #327 of 1993 🔗

No scientific proof exists that LDs are effective. Zero. Pure Politics is all this is.

I told colleagues (they are mostly LD fascists, full on retard, believe evthg), that even if they disagreed with my analysis of the underlying Data Fraud (they should know better not to disagree), that the intent of Doris and the ‘Scientists’ will be clear by March . Now they are messaging no end to the LDs for a variety of poor reasons.

Factually flu deaths collapse in the 2nd week of April. Any LD extension beyond Easter , or to reimpose an LD (incl tiers) before school starts in September makes the ‘conspiracy’ theories ever more prescient and probable.

There is no reason, not even today for LDs. None. Certainly not past Easter. They have probably killed 50.000 at home in the UK, and destroyed our socio-cultural-economy.

367441 John P, replying to John P, 20, #328 of 1993 🔗

For the anonymous trolls:

“Off with her head!” the Queen shouted at the top of her voice. Nobody moved.

“Who cares for you?” said Alice, (she had grown to her full size by this time.) “You’re nothing but a pack of cards!”

“You’re nothing but a pack of cards!”

At this the whole pack rose up into the air, and came flying down upon her: she gave a little scream, half of fright and half of anger, and tried to beat them off, and found herself lying on the bank, with her head in the lap of her sister, who was gently brushing away some dead leaves that had fluttered down from the trees upon her face.

“Wake up, Alice dear!” said her sister; “Why, what a long sleep you’ve had!”

“Oh, I’ve had such a curious dream!” said Alice, and she told her sister, as well as she could remember them, all these strange Adventures of hers that you have just been reading about; and when she had finished, her sister kissed her, and said, “It was a curious dream, dear, certainly: but now run in to your tea; it’s getting late.”

Alice in Wonderland (excerpt) Lewis Carroll

367450 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to John P, 2, #329 of 1993 🔗

Great post!

367477 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 8, #330 of 1993 🔗

I’m starting to think that lockdown is all and Life was a dream.
I liked the dream.

367520 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 3, #331 of 1993 🔗

I have to deal myself out of the pack here & say I never liked the hand I had in the old normal but it was better than this & what’s to come in a future reshuffle.

367444 John P, replying to John P, 17, #332 of 1993 🔗

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

Rudyard Kipling

367464 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to John P, 4, #333 of 1993 🔗

Did you know that according to the BBC, Kipling was Black-Muslim? As was Chaucer. I was told this watching an advert.

367453 Jane C in France, replying to Jane C in France, 30, #334 of 1993 🔗

The most powerful anti-lockdown argument is one which the Lockdown Sceptics site occasionally mentions, but never emphasises: cheap and effective treatments for covid exist. I am thinking in particular of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycine and zinc, or these days, ivermectin. I urge everyone to look up the many studies showing the efficacy of these treatments. The point is, they are mainly effective in the early stages of the disease. G.P. s should be able to prescribe HCQ for example to symptomatic patients who have tested positive because it gets rid of the virus before damage has occurred to the lungs. They should also be able to prescribe AZM which gets rid of the cytokine storm once the virus has done its damage and the body is fighting back. Use of vitamins C and D and zinc for the immune system should also be encouraged. If covid is all that’s wrong with them there should be no need for patients under sixty to fill up hospitals as today’s post reports; once again, G.P. s should be able to take care of them (not in the Al Pacino sense) in the pre-hospital stage. Unfortunately, official UK government advice is to stay at home, drink plenty of water and dose yourself with paracetamol. Then when you find you can’t breathe you ring 999 in a panic. Why does the UK government insist on its website that there is no treatment for covid? Why does their website note that HCQ is not licensed for use with covid? Ivermectin seems even more effective, but in spring HCQ was all there was and you would think a government that cared about saving lives would be willing to give anything a go. In France, thanks to Professor Didier Raoult, we are well-informed about the shenanigans of the French government in removing HCQ from chemists’ shelves. It looks as though something similar might have happened and still be happening in Britain. If so, then it’s a scandal which should be investigated. When lockdown sceptics have the chance to put their case in mainstream media, TREATMENT, TREATMENT, TREATMENT is the point they should be hammering home. There, that’s my rant for today.

367509 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jane C in France, 9, #335 of 1993 🔗

All studies for the treatment of the scandemic are here. https://c19ivermectin.com/
Ivermectin by far the best then HCQ (early stage only). Vit C&D also very effective. Remdesivir that the BBC made a song and dance about least effective but most expensive.

367454 PastImperfect, 2, #336 of 1993 🔗
367461 MFvH, 27, #337 of 1993 🔗

As a mother my heart breaks….
The effect on everyone, but especially the young, from lack of social interaction is profound.
I am sure every household when asked will describe the negative impact of lockdowns.
Why do we allow this?
The negative far outweighs any perceived benefit.
How do we make people listen???

367462 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #338 of 1993 🔗

A few days ago I posted that soon there would be widespread calls to give the developing world access to the vaccines and that the West would be expected to pay for it.

It started a couple of days ago with WHO claiming the world will be on the “brink of a catastrophe moral moral failure if the West continues to hog supplies”.

Today on R4 prior to the 8am news Britain was being criticised for ‘hoarding’ the vaccine, so far the argument is about production and distribution, who pays will no doubt comes next.
Who benefits ? Bill & Melinda.

367468 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to karenovirus, #339 of 1993 🔗

Blacks don’t want it apparently. 70% against the vaxx.
Isn’t the Vaxx mostly made by Whites, racist anyway?
Why would non-Whites be interested?
White supremacism etc. Vaxx is just another form of racist KKK premised control.
Shouldn’t we all be ashamed of the white-made Vaxx?
Says Science.

367585 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FerdIII, 8, #340 of 1993 🔗

I have no wish to be associated with this comment, thank you.

368279 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to karenovirus, 2, #341 of 1993 🔗

I’m donating my vaccine to Africa.

But that probably makes me a racist murderer.

367463 p02099003, 2, #342 of 1993 🔗

The award in the No Faeces Sherlock goes to the Brainwashing Britain Cult with
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55716860

367467 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 11, #343 of 1993 🔗

It is never worth reading or listening to Peston. The Daily Mail piece quoted the scam of the government daily death cert stats. Are the frightener’s on Toby and his writers? I smell a toning down of the message.

367469 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to nottingham69, 2, #344 of 1993 🔗

The Deep State worldwide has killed a large number of those opposed to the LDs, Vaxx, or the general messaging. Some have ended up in prison, or insane asylums. They are now scrubbing the net of anti LD, anti Vaxx sites, posts. I bet Toby et al have been threatened a few times. Hopefully their address is completely unknown, hidden.

367518 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to nottingham69, 1, #345 of 1993 🔗

Hmmm yes, I thought it was just me having a bad day, but I think you have a point.

367526 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to nottingham69, 5, #346 of 1993 🔗

Peston is a moron. Too self-important to read around the subject

368285 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to nottingham69, #347 of 1993 🔗

a toning down of the message.

Depressing isn’t it.

367472 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 23, #348 of 1993 🔗

The first pandemic ever (well we’re not actually having a pandemic) where rather than millions of people actually dying from a virus, millions have been told to just pretend they have it.

367474 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Hubes, 22, #349 of 1993 🔗

the government told me to pretend I had it. I did. Now I’m better – and I’m immune

367480 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steve_w, 6, #350 of 1993 🔗

I’m asymptomatic 😉

367639 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #351 of 1993 🔗

I’ve had asymptomatic Covid and am now suffering from asymptomatic death, but acting as though I were alive.

367503 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to steve_w, 7, #352 of 1993 🔗

Ah but they want you to pretend you’ve got it permanently. I can’t believe that sentence I’ve written is actually true but it is.

367515 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to steve_w, 1, #353 of 1993 🔗

BRILLIANT.

367522 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to steve_w, 6, #354 of 1993 🔗

Me and the wife reckon that we had Covid 18; does that count?

367481 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Hubes, 10, #355 of 1993 🔗

and then pretend the new vaccine cured it, brilliant!

367535 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to DanClarke, 7, #356 of 1993 🔗

Are we allowed to pretend we had the vaccine to cure the pretend illness?

367608 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hubes, 4, #357 of 1993 🔗

Makes me wonder if the people in the daily corpse count have been told to act as if they’re dead.

367479 DanClarke, 3, #358 of 1993 🔗

Could this explain Johnson’s obsession with ‘the science’ and why the UK has to look beleaguered before the miracle cure and the sales pitch. Why the population are the trials to move it on apace.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/over-100-million-cash-boost-to-manufacture-millions-of-doses-of-covid-19-vaccine

367485 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #359 of 1993 🔗

Re the pack of cards. The hierarchy of king and queen is based on the monarchy system. A king was always “higher” than a queen. The wife of a king is queen but the husband of a queen is not king but consort. Even in the Narnia stories where the Pevensey’s rule there’s a High King.

368134 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to p02099003, 2, #360 of 1993 🔗

In some games the queen rules. In some games aces high in some low. And what about poor old jack with his tache, always looked like he was in village people. Should he not be higher? But then in some games jacks are wild? The stupidity of people is astonishing, if it bothers you just call a jack 11, a queen 12 and a king 13. Do we start on fucking chess next or are most of the sjw’s too thick to play?

367600 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to niko, 1, #362 of 1993 🔗

Great article. I wonder how strange it must be for them to be now arguing so strongly against their own previously held position. There’s some good quotes in there:

From John M. Barry now a strong propronent for masking wrote against the use of masks in healthy people in 2009: “Evidence from the SARS outbreak suggests that most health care workers infected themselves while removing protective equipment.”

From John Hopkins epidemiologists in 2006 lead author Thomas Inglesby:
“experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted.”

I found a video from Fox news with Thomas Inglesby arguing in April 2020 for earlier and stronger lockdown https://video.foxnews.com/v/6148879839001#sp=show-clips

367638 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Dan L, 1, #363 of 1993 🔗

The Thomas Inglesby 2006 paper https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.556.2672&rep=rep1&type=pdf is a spooky in way since it is a point by point demolition of pretty much all the measures we are now taking against Coronavirus. Quarantine, social distance, school closures, masks were all deemed ineffective and/or counterproductive (for influenza anyway)… Maybe he’ll change his mind back to his original position and write the same paper again (in 2026?) with respect to Coronavirus…

368594 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Dan L, 1, #364 of 1993 🔗

Even stranger, after changing their minds once, none appear to be keen to change it back.

Perhaps we’ve got this all wrong and ‘build back better’ refers to them. In particular, the fucking minds they appear to be out of.

367496 Marg, replying to Marg, 8, #365 of 1993 🔗

Israel National News published an article 18th Jan 2020 – the Helsinki Committee to declare Pfizer performing unauthorised human experiment on humans in Israel. It seems the contract allows Pfizer to collect data. The people are not being told they are taking part in trials. The initial trials were carried out on under 55s with no underlying conditions. As far as I am aware the findings for stage 2 have not been published as yet, with stage 3 findings due to be published 2020.
Are UK humans being told that they are part of these trials and have they given their consent.
No wonder eminent physicians are calling for this experimental vaccine roll out to be halted.
I can’t quite work out how to upload the article.

367508 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Marg, 7, #366 of 1993 🔗

The irony that the next Nuremberg style trials would be in Israel.

367834 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Marg, 5, #367 of 1993 🔗

The irony of Israel permitting medical experiments on Jews.

367507 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 46, #369 of 1993 🔗

I don’t know how this government expects lockdown to go on past April 2nd. Mine and most of my peers mental health is in the gutter. I was a perfectly healthy 29 year old prior to all this shit. Lockdown may be a technocratics wet dream but it’s not possible.

367516 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JHUNTZ, 18, #370 of 1993 🔗

They want us to pretend we have covid, we should pretend we are in lockdown.

367532 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to DanClarke, 12, #371 of 1993 🔗

the old USSR joke – they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work

367599 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to DanClarke, 7, #372 of 1993 🔗

I break the rules all the time Dan but the things I love to do I literally cannot do. I never thought these would be taken away from me.

367607 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #373 of 1993 🔗

I know how you feel. Try to find good things that they can’t take away, until the time comes to take back the first things.

I just got back into the warm and dry after a very wet walk with the dog. The walk was goid, the dog is good ( most of the time), and the warm and dry is very good.

368148 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #374 of 1993 🔗

I don’t think it’s ‘technocrats’ per se. But there is good evidence that it’s a sub-set of the ‘scientific’ community who have been elevated to positions for which they are unqualified in terms of influence on decision making.

There seems to be an excess of individuals with sociopathic or autistic character traits.

367547 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to JHUNTZ, 12, #375 of 1993 🔗

Sadly I think it’s because there are limits to human empathy, and as much as the Gov, Charities, Royals etc like to bang on about “mental health”, “mindfulness” and “being kind to yourself” etc, it’s impossible for those who are largely content in life to really put themselves in the shoes of someone who is feeling such a level of despair that they no longer feel their life is worth living.
I’ve been there, and it was clear that Doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, counsellors etc – they tried to understand and many thought they did – but only through the lens that my thinking was inherently faulty and I had a sickness that could be cured. You are wrong and they just need to convince you they’re right.
It’s absolute bs that if you’re feeling suicidal you should talk to someone about it – because most people won’t care. Not even your friends and family. Some will actually seek to avoid you. I found one friend who understood, a Police Officer.
The same as it’s a lie that the world is better with you in it, or there is always people that care etc. Some people have no one, usually through no fault of their own. The best advice I have given myself is just to live a life that is authentic and filled with joy – not easy when most of it is illegal, but the feelings will pass I promise. What you endure now will make you stronger.

367552 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 7, #376 of 1993 🔗

I’m sorry to hear what you’ve went through. I must say this whole episode has highlighted the lack of empathy to mental health that I was not aware of previously. Like most things in life it’s just virtue signalling, people feign concern but don’t really care.

I try to maximise the things that bring joy but this government has taken everything that brings joy. That said I have no doubt I still want to live but it is not nearly as fulfilling at pre March 2020.

367653 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 7, #377 of 1993 🔗

Very sorry to hear this and I know how you feel because my mental health has taken a severe battering due to this lockdown and what made it worse was the realisation that no one actually cares. If anything I had the impression that I was an eyesore for certain people because I was intruding on their privileged lives.

If anything this shit show has demonstrated that any concerns about mental health was only paying lip service and any progress in attitudes towards mental health and disability was only skin deep. When push came to shove, it has regressed back to the Stone Age.

367603 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #378 of 1993 🔗

Take a firm grasp on your sanity and resist! There’s nothing wrong with your mind if you are a rational sceptic, which obviously you are. Stick with it, stick with us.

367742 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Annie, 2, #379 of 1993 🔗

Thanks Annie. I appreciate it I am holding out hope for March/ April bringing change at least with the population not necessarily the government.

367511 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 26, #380 of 1993 🔗

There is a question that has been playing on my mind for about 9 months now… WHERE THE F IS ANYONE CATCHING THIS?! According the official stats I am supposed to believe that 627,686 caught this particular lurgy in the last two weeks in England.
I don’t give a flying f about the “rules” but since the symptomatic are isolating and there is NOWHERE TO GO where you’d risk a slight chance of getting it I’d say chances of catching it are minuscule. I don’t even know where you could go to try to catch it!
The vulnerable are all supposed to be shielding and where there are “risks” to the public this is supposedly all mitigated by the dance of ppe/masks/gel/testing/barcodes. So how is this possible??
I can sort of empathise with why the Gov/media/public are trying to blame the very small number of us who aren’t following the “rules” because seemingly according to their flawed logic what other reason is there?! But it makes no difference if we refuse to follow one-way walking systems or drive to the Peak District when this has zero effect on transmission.
I don’t want to blame anyone for their illnesses but I think we’re at the point now where people need to start taking a bit more PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. No one knows for certain where they pick up a cold bug but you often have a pretty good idea don’t you?
What else is there…just the notion that it spreads through mysterious miasma in the air and any of us are at risk all the time. In which case can we just carry on as we were before please because we cannot continue furlough for ever (this is when it’ll all stop people, when Rishi finally stops paying out for economic stagnancy).

367525 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 11, #381 of 1993 🔗

I have no information at all but something tells me that hospitals are a big part of the merry go round.

367529 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 13, #382 of 1993 🔗

LD idiots say ‘flu has disappeared’. You ask ‘how’? The LD Idiots say ‘diapers, distancing, LDs stupid’. You ask, ‘fascinating, how then are 600K people contracting CV these past few days and many dying from it?’ LD Idiots answer ‘well stupid, the science says we do not LD hard enough and too many are not following the rules….’

You can’t argue with stupid. LD idiots view is that CV is magical, flies, lives forever, can travel thousands of miles, stay hidden, does not die in the natural environment, immune to vitamins and sunlight, and shares no attributes with the normal flu at all…..

367533 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 9, #383 of 1993 🔗

I thought, someone can correct me if I’m wrong, that most of the actual infections are occurring in hospitals and care homes. They’re also testing the most people more than once which will be pushing the case numbers up. And all of the case numbers will include asymptomatics.

Also we’re in the Winter so how many of the covid cases are actually flu cos that’s vanished?

To me it should be if you really feel the need to be protected then fine be allowed that protection and everyone else get on with living as normal.

368079 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ambwozere, 2, #384 of 1993 🔗

You don’t need correcting.

Hospitals are always focuses for infection – by definition.

But this is made worse by the artificial inflation of numbers by PCR testing, which keeps the uninfected locked in with those who are actually infected – and thus spreads infection.

367650 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 7, #385 of 1993 🔗

I agree. Surely, almost all of the people who died/ill ‘with’ Covid were following all the lockdown restrictions – masks, social distancing, hand-washing, isolating etc., 99% of the time! It’s perfectly clear the restrictions don’t work.

367770 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Maverick, 1, #386 of 1993 🔗

Case in point here. “We have been inside for most of 2020” and they didn’t mix with others on the Christmas Day ‘amnesty’. Yet one of these 96 year old (!) twins has just died of covid, of course. The paper doesn’t ask how that could be, but wants us to believe that this woman was prevented from achieving immortality by the failure to give her a vaccine sooner.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9166749/Vaccine-letter-arrived-two-days-late-save-one-Britains-oldest-twins.html

367893 ▶▶ Felice, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #387 of 1993 🔗

I’ve heard of several people catching the plague recently, and they have caught it is all sorts of situations.
First one I heard of, was an 80 year friend who fell, went to hospital, got transferred to a rehabilitation centre, where she caught it. Recovered without any problems.
Next, the man who cleared my mother’s house a couple of weeks ago said that he and several of his family caught it in Dec. Caught via the nursing home where one of the family worked.
My neighbour’s son caught it a couple of weeks ago. Got it from a building site when he did a site visit. Load of Poles who had just come back from Christmas hols were working there.
Couple of people from the allotment have got it – one works at a care home, the other at a ‘home for naughty boys’ (what are they called now?). Since both are almost morbidly obese, they might easily become statistics.
Then there is a succession of ‘cases’ at the transport depot where my son works. Earliest ones related to a drunken night out in London in Nov by a couple of managers who spread the plague over the next week.
Not sure where the current crop comes from. Several were self isolating after their kids got contacted, though that wont be the case now. Another involved another idiot manager who, despite having symptoms and waiting for a test result (which came back +ve) went ahead and did a series of 1 to 1 interviews. Resulted in lots of self isolation, but actually very little if any transmission.

Basically, there are lots of people out there, going about their daily work, because there is no alternative. And they are the ones catching it. But unless the government wants to stop everything dead, this will continue.

368743 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Felice, 1, #388 of 1993 🔗

See the problem here is ‘it’.

How do we know they have ‘it’ or summink else?
How come they don’t have any of ‘it’? (the shitshow ringmasters, not the people you know of)
If lockdown is gonna kill way more peeps than the peeps that die of ‘it’, why on God’s green are we doing it?

We need to stop doing it, and doing ‘it’.

368009 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #389 of 1993 🔗

RKI in Germany since the weekend reported a sharp drop of + tests. Down from 30+k to 11+k.
The NDR TV station’s website suggested a blip in reporting from local government. Usually the RKI issued a disclaimer on their dashboard when this happened. Not this time. We will see tomorrow, as Thursdays are usually the highest numbers.
The MSM will just not believe a sudden drop (although I will admit, it seems unlikely) is a real possibility.

368315 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #390 of 1993 🔗

WHERE THE F IS ANYONE CATCHING THIS

Maybe the Guardian includes a free covid with every copy.

368691 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #391 of 1993 🔗

Dishi don’t pay for nuffin’
Dishi’s load is safe
Us mugs pay for everyfing
Our sky rockets are agape.

367524 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #392 of 1993 🔗

A quick glance of the headline should convince those who are still asleep that this farce has long ceased to be about the virus. Sure you could have said that in March 2020 but I quickly saw that this was never about the virus and everything about control.

And that letter from that student is very spot on – the lives of the young have been scarified on the altar of the old and the NHS. Mr Bart and I have discussed this a number of times and noticed that the majority of the lockdownistas and zombies wearing their masks outdoors have been in the boomer demographic – those who have not been financially and/or psychologically affected by the lockdown and restrictions

Government policies have consistently been made by the middle class and middle aged for the middle class and middle aged, with no thought to the future economic burden on the young. All this, despite the minute likelihood of any of us becoming seriously ill with Covid.

Yet again, this is so true. Anyone who isn’t middle class and middle aged has been consigned to the scrapheap. I was lucky that I survived redundancy because had I not, Mr Bart and I would find ourselves struggling to pay our mortgage and my mental health would have gone down the toilet further. Of course the lockdownistas will bleat that there’s a pandemic going on and I shouldn’t complain. If that’s what they think then maybe they should pay my mortgage for me.

Mr Bart made a suggestion once that all those in favour of lockdowns should be taxed twice or 100% of their income to help out those who have been affected by their championing of this ruinous policy. I’m up for it. Maybe that will wake them up once and for all.

367531 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #393 of 1993 🔗

I was thinking it was to get rid of the middle class, the small and medium business, have more state dependent citizens who are easier to control

367548 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DanClarke, 8, #394 of 1993 🔗

I did think of that and yet its the middle classes in Islington, Hampstead, Chiswick and Richmond who seem to be doing A-OK.

But then again, I suspect the lot who live in the places I mentioned are not in SMEs but rather work in the civil service, media….

367564 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #395 of 1993 🔗

Yes, already in establishment jobs

368584 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #396 of 1993 🔗

They’re part of the establishment not kulaks.

367540 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #397 of 1993 🔗

If Boris or Sunak want a way out they just have to impose a severe pay restraint (50% cut?) on the Public sector until all restrictions are repealed. They’d be clamouring for it – they don’t really care about old people

367550 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 8, #398 of 1993 🔗

And I’ve always advocated that MPs’ salaries should be severely cut (down to minimum wage), no claiming of expenses and no pension when they leave.

See how they’ll like that.

367590 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 2, #399 of 1993 🔗

What people do they care about?

367569 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #400 of 1993 🔗

I am middle aged and middle class in a secure job yet am utterly baffled as to why others like me would want to go along with this – if not for their own sake then for the sake of their children or friends

367576 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Julian, 18, #401 of 1993 🔗

Indeed. We are late middle aged and still earning (though much reduced) but the whole thing hurts like hell. I am desperate for some freedom. I want to see my elder son for mor than the total 3 hours I’ve spent in his company for the last 12 months. I want to experience some live music and theatre. I want to dine with friends. I want to see the local children back in school before they lose all purpose and direction. I want my younger son to be able to work and socialise. None of these losses are worth bearing even if lockdown worked and it manifestly does not.

367661 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 4, #402 of 1993 🔗

Maybe you can talk some sense to my parents and other boomers I know who are still in favour of this shit show. Trying to reason with them has been futile – its like trying to get blood out of a stone.

367864 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #403 of 1993 🔗

I don’t think it’s totally an age thing, it seems that 30 year old mums are the worst for jumping into traffic to get out of your infection zone. On the other hand they could think I’m scared…
My 85+ Dad is going about and noticing the same.

367978 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FenTyger, 2, #404 of 1993 🔗

It’s true that its nothing to do with age. I’m with Annie that its zombies we’re dealing with no longer people.

367955 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #405 of 1993 🔗

‘and other boomers’

I find I’m just as likely to be trying to persuade 20-30 year olds.

367972 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RickH, 2, #406 of 1993 🔗

Ditto. Trying to persuade my millenial colleagues that they’re more likely to die from being run over by a moving vehicle or from dodgy DIY at home than Covid has fallen on deaf ears.

367951 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, #407 of 1993 🔗

You and millions of others. I’m afraid rants based on class and other broad categories are nether here not there.

I’d actually say that such selectivity just plays into the hands of the perpetrators

368760 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #408 of 1993 🔗

Something tells me, if Mr Bart’s suggestion should ever come to fruition, it would vanish as fast as you can say “we’re all in this together”.

368872 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jez Hewitt, #409 of 1993 🔗

Indeed. And they would call for the end of lockdowns faster than you can say “Covid”

367530 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 10, #410 of 1993 🔗

Please sign the petition to end all restrictions once the vulnerable have been vaccinated.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564347
So far only 6300 signatures. We need 100,000…. 😉

367538 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to MFvH, 23, #411 of 1993 🔗

Lets be honest, appealing to your abusers to stop abusing you has never been a winning strategy.

367565 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #412 of 1993 🔗

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with using every avenue

There are a few MPs with some principles, and more than a few who would get worried if public opinion looked to be going against them

I may be naive or overly optimistic, but I think parliament still does have some power, should it choose to exercise it

367582 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Julian, 5, #413 of 1993 🔗

In any democracy mob rule counts, the populous are sheep & flock together, sadly the present consensus is bullying people into lockdown is the peoples voice.

367591 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #414 of 1993 🔗

Not voice. Bleat.

367934 ▶▶ John Crichton, replying to MFvH, 1, #415 of 1993 🔗

Just signed it, with my real name and postcode. Now at 7145 – up nearly 850 votes in 2 hours!

368689 ▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to MFvH, 1, #416 of 1993 🔗

Suppose the vulnerable do not wish to be vaccinated? Are you going to accuse them of blocking an end to restrictions?

367534 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 16, #417 of 1993 🔗

Sir Patrick Vallance’s explanation of why the UK has recommended 12 weeks between the two doses of the Pfizer vaccine (Sky interview). The Israelis reckon at Day 28 after one dose the efficacy might be as low as 33% – from the huge real-time experiment they are conduction on their population. No so according to Sir Patrick, it is indeed what the MHRA have guesstimated – high 80% because you have to exclude the first 10 days after getting the first dose because you might get it within those 10 days or already have it before you were vaccinated. That then gets you from 33% to high 80%. Is there a shred of evidence for this assertion, and did this man ever actually do any science?

367558 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 10, #418 of 1993 🔗

I am sure he is capable of doing science if he finds it politically or personally convenient, and equally capable of ignoring science when it suits

367560 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Julian, 4, #419 of 1993 🔗

Correct. He sounded more like a politician than a scientist that’s for sure.

368164 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #420 of 1993 🔗

We no longer have politicians only advisors. If we have a parliament of 600+ MP’s we hear from about 10. The rest sit at home on zoom earning full pay and doing nothing. They do not represent the people who elected them they just sit back and watch unelected advisors talking unchallenged science.

368786 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #421 of 1993 🔗

I think he has done some science as he was in the same college as Yeadon. Though not of the same class, I hasten to add.

It’s said he’s particularly good at the science of shares accumulation.

Of late a lot has been said about him. Mostly language of colour.

367539 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 21, #422 of 1993 🔗

Simon Dolan just ‘Gabbed’ this:

Supermarkets ‘at risk of discriminating against disabled people’ over face masks
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/supermarkets/supermarkets-at-risk-of-discriminating-against-disabled-people-over-face-masks/652257.article

‘The Equality and Human Rights Commission has written to supermarket CEOs warning they could be breaking the law, while a disability rights organisation has published a template letter for compensation claims.’

367594 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, 4, #423 of 1993 🔗

Template letter?Where?
Give one to chaos and I hope he gets the full £9000.

367601 ▶▶ court, replying to Basileus, 7, #424 of 1993 🔗

Its worth clicking that link to see the ‘bedwetter’ comment at the end of that article. Brilliant.

367544 DanClarke, 8, #425 of 1993 🔗

Why are Sage (the science), running the show, appears to be because they’ve told Johnson that vaccine manufacturing and economic recovery from the COVID -19 pandemic will come from them. The sales pitch will be the UK recovering from such a devastating time, because of the science.

367549 wayno, replying to wayno, 2, #426 of 1993 🔗

Trucker Carson something worrying going on in the US https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M0l7xH5zbIg&feature=share

367566 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to wayno, 1, #427 of 1993 🔗

There’s been a fair few posts on Twitter about something happening in the US today. No one is saying what though, something to do with the inauguration.

367592 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to wayno, 1, #428 of 1993 🔗

Precis, please?

367551 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 18, #429 of 1993 🔗

Why can’t UK do the same? We imported the Chinese lockdown,why not do this?

https://twitter.com/waukema/status/1351522379567149057

 Interesting: APNews: “China does not include people who test positive but have no symptoms in its count.”

367559 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to swedenborg, 10, #430 of 1993 🔗

Might upset the nice little story that we’re all going to die and lockdown forever is the only thing to do.

But yes I agree, I think if you removed the asymptomatic counts the cases would drop.

368175 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #431 of 1993 🔗

On the radio today the nhs advert saying you can be ill without symptoms and can spread the virus! So i thought you could not tell lies or disinformation on an advert? There is no scientific proof for this so why is it allowed. If we put up an advert saying there is no scientific proof that masks work would that be shown?

367671 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #432 of 1993 🔗

This has been known for months now…we are being manipulated

367556 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #433 of 1993 🔗

The Spectators Evening Blend’s e mail has a banner across the top offering me three months free subscription

The banner contains a large coronavirus clock face. The hands of the clock are two large hypodermic needles. The ‘hands’ are set at five to midnight and presumably the ‘hands’ contain the vaccine

Below the banner is a caricature of Isobel Hardman with a huge smile on her face

This lockdown stuff is obviously highly amusing at the Quisling Spectator

My family and I face our second year of detention without trial

I’ll forego their offer, in fact I’d rather poo my pants

367571 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Cecil B, 11, #434 of 1993 🔗

That’s one of the hardest things for me – the little “in” jokes and cartoon mask wearers as if this is all some sort of jolly holiday.

367574 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to WasSteph, 11, #435 of 1993 🔗

For them it is

367567 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 64, #436 of 1993 🔗

Had a bit of a ding dong with my 71yo mother in law yesterday. She used to be one of my best friends but her bedwetting and my scepticism has driven a bit of a wedge between us.

She rang to see how we were and the subject turned to vaccinations. I support their decision to have the vaccine as she has asthma and her husband is morbidly obese and has had several heart attacks.

She asked if we would have the vaccine (we are in our early-mid 50s and in pretty good health) and I said probably not, maybe in 10 years when there was more data and our risk from Covid might tip the risk assessment balance in favour of the vaccine.

She completely flipped out at me for being irresponsible and risking our health and we should take the vaccine “to be safe”. I pointed out that in our age group we had more chance of dying in a car crash and so logically if I want to be safe I would also never get in car ever again. The phone call terminated pretty soon after that.

This whole thing just illustrates how this whole fiasco has destroyed relationships. She thinks we are irresponsible lunatics who don’t care about old people and are cavalier about our health. We think they are wilfully ignorant of the facts and have p1ssed away 800 years of improving rights and freedoms nevermind the economy and the well-being of their own grandchildren. How are we ever to respect or even like each other again?

367626 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 23, #437 of 1993 🔗

“She thinks we are irresponsible lunatics who don’t care about old people and are cavalier about our health.”

Well, why is her husband morbidly obese then?

367666 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to rockoman, 5, #438 of 1993 🔗

Yeah good question. Why has he done nothing about his obesity then?

367692 ▶▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #439 of 1993 🔗

So much easier to force others to take the jab than doing any uncomfortable work improving one’s health. The hypocrisy is staggering.

367866 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Liewe, #440 of 1993 🔗

Please don’t erect an alternative channel o health virtue-signalling! 🙂

367980 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Liewe, 1, #441 of 1993 🔗

Agree. They’d rather others do the work than they do it themselves.

367789 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to rockoman, 3, #442 of 1993 🔗

Plus if she and hubby get vaccinated, whats the problem for her?

367668 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #443 of 1993 🔗

The pro social argument is completely false.

It is based on the idea that the vaccines reduce transmission and death. We don’t know this. What the pro social argument amounts to is the idea that we should be willing to take part in a global drug experiment. That’s it.

Its insanity squared.

367689 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 12, #444 of 1993 🔗

“How are we ever to respect or even like each other again?” That’s the question – we can hope that lockdown will pass, and this debacle will end, but we see people differently now.We’ve seen a side to people we didn’t know was there, and this has polarised some of us, thankfully not all.

367872 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to this is my username, 8, #445 of 1993 🔗

You’re right. The social damage has been immense.

367856 ▶▶ RickH, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #446 of 1993 🔗

Your situation rings bells – a close member of my family was suggesting only yesterday that I should take the snake oil – for exactly the same reasons.

However, I share your reservations about the serious diminution of the Testing regime. But actually those reservations are increased for me because of my vulnerabilities.

367892 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #447 of 1993 🔗

This sums up the conversations I have had with many people around me the last few months. Nevertheless, I will stand my ground and say NO. Well done to you Ms Dragon for standing yours and not complying with this horse shit.

368151 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #448 of 1993 🔗

I feel your pain as I am in exactly the same situation. This scamdemic has put me firmly in the position as black sheep of the family. I have three siblings and they all look down their nose at their conspiracy ridden sister, I realise that I am not in the same socioeconomic bracket as them but it doesn’t make me less of a person. If it wasn’t for my son, and of course people on here, I would feel so alone in my quest for this madness to end. I’m not sure things will ever be the same between me and my family, maybe it will come more from me because I find lockdown zealots dispicable and uncaring tyrants.

367568 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 22, #449 of 1993 🔗

Meanwhile Britain maintains the worst Covid death rate in the world. Tuesday’s new daily record marked a sharp 30% rise on the 1,243 announced on the same day last week and is almost double the number of victims from a fortnight ago, when there were 860.

The media can’t have it both ways either lockdowns work and the death toll isn’t high or lockdowns don’t work as the death toll is the worst we’ve ever seen ever apparently.

Either way change strategy.

367577 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JHUNTZ, 14, #450 of 1993 🔗

The official position is unfalsifiable. Whatever happens, they are right. If the numbers (coronavirus related deaths, hospitalisations, case, the R number, whatever) go down, it proves that lockdowns, social distancing and face masks work; if the numbers go up, it proves the need for more draconian restrictions/enforcement. Regardless of the facts, they will, and do, claim they are right. Perhaps, a journalist might ask them: what evidence would prove to them that lockdowns, face masks and social distancing do not work?

367596 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #451 of 1993 🔗

We have comparisons now though to show that there is very little evidence (if any) that masks, lockdown, social distancing work. Eventually, people will ask the question is it worth it? Wheres the evidence to say it’s worth it?

I stand by it that if the narrative doesn’t change at the 12 month mark people will wake up.

367623 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #452 of 1993 🔗

I think that as weather warms up in Apri and May, we may well reach a critical point.

367614 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #453 of 1993 🔗

The burden of proof is on those who push unorthodox interventions – masks, distancing, lockdowns, mass testing

367753 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, #454 of 1993 🔗

And they (pretend to) meet the burden by presenting pseudoscience.

367575 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 15, #455 of 1993 🔗

“ Lockdown measures could last “beyond Easter” despite the rollout of the Covid vaccine after the deadliest day on record saw 1,610 new victims.”

1610 covid deaths I guess on Monday? We must be close to every death being covid, at least reported on Monday/Tuesday. I don’t believe we have the data to unpick what’s going on here, but personally I’m highly sceptical of these numbers.

367579 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TimeIsNow, 12, #456 of 1993 🔗

The numbers are almost self-evidently a distortion, given that all other causes of mortality are well down on previous years – it is utterly implausible that this could reflect a real reduction in how fatal flu, cancer etc are

367584 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Julian, 5, #457 of 1993 🔗

This graphic from UK Column shows the age corrected mortality data since 1971. It is a steadily improving picture which then levels off in the last few years. There is a tiny and unexceptional upward spike (I refuse to use ‘upticks’) in the last few years. Where is the pandemic?
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367587 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, #458 of 1993 🔗

The link works but I can’t get it to display correctly. Anyone understand what the problem is?

367598 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, #459 of 1993 🔗

I can see the chart by clicking on ‘comment image’

368855 ▶▶▶▶ number 6, replying to Basileus, #460 of 1993 🔗

What happened around 2009 -10 to stop the stright line fall ?

367621 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Julian, 1, #461 of 1993 🔗

all-cause mortality is the only number of interest. so far there has been no marker of any kind of ‘pandemic’ or change in the normal patterns. I suspect that may begin to change in the coming years, – but despite what we will be told, it won’t be due to any killer plague stalking the planet

367580 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 9, #462 of 1993 🔗

96 year-old dies of Covid. Headline news.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-55730409

367588 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Chicot, 30, #463 of 1993 🔗

Personally I don’t want to be around at 96. Extreme age and the frailty which comes with it are a curse, not a blessing. Bronchitis was called the old mans friend with good reason!

The death of a 96yo is rightly a sad and poignant moment for the family. She is gone from this world and every death is significant but her twin survived which is great for the family and shows Covid isn’t a death sentence!

Someone I know lost her 15 yo daughter to cardiac arrest following a severe asthma attack last week. She had to switch her life support off a week ago today. That is a tragedy. A 96yo dying of a chest infection is not.

367645 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 11, #464 of 1993 🔗

To be honest, the death of an elderly, frail person with advanced dementia can only be felt as a relief all round. The loss of the person occurred long ago.

367823 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Annie, 7, #465 of 1993 🔗

So true, Annie. I posted on the website a few days ago that my mother died 18 months ago at 95, after five years bedridden (hospital induced) and suffering from morphine (hospital) induced dementia. I effectively had five years in which to mourn her death. When it happened I felt the greatest sense of relief that anyone can imagine, primarily because her last five years had been physical and mental torment for her.

One of my beloved dogs died two weeks after my mother. It was very unexpected and he was still active and healthy to that point, and not old for his breed. Some people might think it heartless, but I was far more upset about his death than my mother’s.

367829 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #466 of 1993 🔗

A lot has to do with the contemporary obsession with hyperbole.

So we have overuse of words like ‘tradgedy’. You will have your own lists. Mine include ‘epic’ and ‘legendary’. But even ‘disaster’ gets over-used to the point of meaninglessness.

367672 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Chicot, 8, #467 of 1993 🔗

How the hell is that headline news??? What about all the other people who are dying needlessly because of these satanic government politics!

367675 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Janette, 1, #468 of 1993 🔗

Exactly I totally agree

367778 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Chicot, 3, #469 of 1993 🔗

I don’t know the details but I suspect he died of being 96.

367581 Bunter, 3, #470 of 1993 🔗

The government are about to make another collosal error- if they do not ease restrictions for people who have been vaccinated, telling people they are still not safe etc., then we will never break this circle of fear.
Breaking this mindset of fear is going to be a massive task- the media have been terrifying everyone for 9 months now- obviously they don’t want it to end- they have never had so many clicks on their websites.

367589 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 5, #471 of 1993 🔗

Interesting how the narrative that only 12.1% in England have antibodies (from yesterday’s ONS survey) seems to have been spun, even by Sir Patrick Vallance, as the justification for why everyone needs to take the experimental ‘vaccine’. If antibodies fade after around 3 months, and given that the ONS has been sampling for antibodies since May/June, unless exactly the same people are sampled and have been exposed to the virus three times, then surely the starting point for an estimate of the number of people who have some form of immunity is a summation of the serology studies from now, three and six months ago (12.1% + 5.5% + 7.4%), that is, 25%. Then, assuming no under 18s have been sampled (likely most have been exposed to the virus), few students (majority exposed), few over 80s and those shielding (very few exposed), there must surely already be herd immunity in the population with the exception of those in the first 4 groups on the vaccination list. This will be particularly true in cities. Even Neil Ferguson seems to have understood that.

367664 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #472 of 1993 🔗

Also, anti-bodies can be undetected but T Cell immunity can be strong.

So yeah, this is looking good without 6 month vaccination rounds for the rest of our lives.

368322 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #473 of 1993 🔗

Good points, although so obvious you’d hardly think they needed to be stated – but in today’s environment they surely do.

A further inference: if 25% of people have had the antibodies, then it follows that just about everyone has been in contact with the disease.

367647 ▶▶ Annie, replying to arfurmo, 4, #475 of 1993 🔗

They’ve been banging on that one for months. Stuff them.
Equally, it must be true that coughing is no more likely to spread the bug than talking.

367651 ▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to Annie, 1, #476 of 1993 🔗

Now, now Annie. To much logic applied!

367648 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to arfurmo, 2, #477 of 1993 🔗

From now on, no talking outside your home. Whatsapp only. Dip your phone in disinfectant before and after use. If you’ve had contact with a covid “case” – no talking allowed for 10 days. In fact, don’t ever talk again, you may be an asymptomatic longest Covid case.

There, sorted.

367669 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Liewe, 4, #478 of 1993 🔗

Don’t be surprised if some research comes out where it shows that the virus still can spread virtually.

Then SAGE will call for the banning of Zoom and MS Teams.

367670 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to arfurmo, 1, #479 of 1993 🔗

Carless talk costs lives

367673 ▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to Paulus, #480 of 1993 🔗

or even careless – whoops

367685 ▶▶▶▶ tarfu, replying to Paulus, 3, #481 of 1993 🔗

You were right the first time!

368595 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to tarfu, #482 of 1993 🔗

Especially in Spain lol

367595 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #483 of 1993 🔗

Cashless Society The Great Reset.
More to confuse the Incompetence Theorists.

“OVER 2m Scots have been refused the right to pay with notes and coins during the pandemic, threatening the viability of the cash network.

“Natalie Ceeney, chairman of the Access to Cash Review has now warned that cashless payments which are “creeping into the wider economy” could now prevent people from accessing everyday services such as buying food or paying for electricity.”

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19020913.end-cash-2m-scots-denied-right-use-money-pandemic/?ref=twtrec

Have a think where a cashless society is using ‘social credits’ to administer freedom to a population. Then perhaps research how the transition from cash to cash was done. It is interesting to learn.

367610 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 7, #484 of 1993 🔗

Please tell me who these “incompetence theorists” are. I doubt more than a few people who post here believe that the govts actions are due solely to incompetence

They are blatantly incompetent, but at the heart of it there is cowardice, dishonesty, political expediency, lust for power

To me, saying that they are “incompetent” implies they are acting in good faith – I don’t think anyone here believes that

It feels like a straw man argument to me

367660 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 1, #485 of 1993 🔗

conspiracy realists more like

367686 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Basics, 3, #486 of 1993 🔗

Yep, and they can also tax at source “for your own good”. Say if you buy 2 bottles of wine, this may mean you have a drink problem so that second bottle of wine will cost £100.

367602 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #487 of 1993 🔗

Useful graph from UK Column showing there is no pandemic.

367615 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), replying to Bella Donna, 1, #488 of 1993 🔗
367604 swedenborg, 2, #489 of 1993 🔗

https://www.axios.com/andy-slavitt-biden-white-house-face-masks-covid-24590f6e-b956-422b-a178-316756b85a3e.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100 Andy Slavitt is a new member of Biden’s C-19 team. Taking up this position he has cut ties with Swizz manufacturer of masks Livinguard which says that these masks repel virus and bacteria,
“Before he was involved in the company with this commercial promotion podcast
 “Slavitt said during one episode“Why I like the Livinguard masks and why I wear them is ‘cuz they actually deactivate coronavirus thanks to their incredible patented technology that’s been shown to mitigate the spread of microorganisms like bacteria and viruses.”

367606 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 18, #490 of 1993 🔗

I’m sure that I’ve heard this correctly on TR a few minutes ago that Tesco now say “YOU MUST SHOP ALONE UNLESS YOU ARE A CARER”.
I assume that the rest of the supermarkets will follow suit.
Well, Tesco: “F××k you”.
I will give my custom to whatever businesses that refuse to follow such discriminatory stupidity.

367620 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #491 of 1993 🔗

My Aldi now has a sign board saying something like “one shopper one trolley – if possible “, but no actual hassle from staff. A larger “please wear a face covering” one also appeared recently, but nothing has actually changed. I think (hope) they are ‘meeting their responsibilities” without actually bothering folk, much like Wetherspoons did at the start.

367659 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Sam Vimes, #492 of 1993 🔗

I along with the vast majority of people would go along with that.
I don’t mind being asked to do things but I will not be heckered and told what I can do and what I can’t do.

367630 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #493 of 1993 🔗

Shop alone, together – a shopping flash mob

367612 Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), 1, #494 of 1993 🔗
367616 Cecil B, 5, #495 of 1993 🔗

The coronavirus infection and death statistics remind me of the statistics for tractor production under the five year plans

Both humorous and sinister at the same time

367622 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 21, #496 of 1993 🔗

I’ve just had a telephone conversation with the duty manager at the town’s branch of Tesco’s. Apparently, head office had told them there had been a complaint made and that I needed to be contacted. Not sure why as, as far as I was concerned my mask query was already satisfactorily resolved.

Anyway, credit where it is due, he took note of my concerns and said if I feel anxious or threatened in any way, I should ask to speak to the manager. I queried why suddenly, even with the government not changing the rules, they were ramping up the ‘challenging’, especially as there are so few of us going maskless. He said he didn’t know but that there was a change of policy from the higher-ups. It seems to me that the big supermarkets are getting a real kicking over this and that is why they are being more reasonable.

367628 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 1, #497 of 1993 🔗

Oh dear, and then I scroll down and read FP’s post 🙁

367634 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 14, #498 of 1993 🔗

That doesn’t surprise me. I read on Twitter that the EHRC are now breathing down on the necks of supermarkets due to the harassment of people who can’t wear masks. This is following Disability Rights UK helping a customer claim a substantial compensation for denying her service because she was exempt.

They’re being put under the spotlight and they’re finding it hot and uncomfortable there.

367642 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #499 of 1993 🔗

And so they should be put under a spotlight for acting the way they have in the last few weeks. It will have made a lot of vulnerable people in terms of mental health feel less able to go and get their shopping.

Makes me so angry, seems to be a constant state this week.

367785 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ambwozere, 3, #500 of 1993 🔗

Agree. That’s why I’ve been actively boycotting shopping, museum visits. Especially those that over egg the pudding.

Anything that makes retailers pay for pandering to these Stone Age attitudes should be welcome. They have to realise that bigotry doesn’t pay.

367644 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #501 of 1993 🔗

What I don’t understand is why the ramping up, especially as there are so few of us and the government’s guidance hadn’t changed. The supermarkets were obviously being expected to do the government’s dirty work.

367790 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #502 of 1993 🔗

The supermarkets are stupid that’s why. They should have fought this and go “not in our name.” The government will have no choice but to back down.

What’s also odd is that they have access to the best lawyers. Why none of them told the CEOs that to target and harass the exempt will lead to nothing but heartache, court cases, loss of reputation and boycotts is bizarre.

367724 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #503 of 1993 🔗

Hahahahah we don’t get many wins in the sceptic side. I’m going to revel in this!

367776 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #504 of 1993 🔗

Exactly. This shows that any improved attitudes towards mental health and disabilities was only skin deep. The more we expose the despicable attitudes that have emerged due to all this, the better.

367636 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to kh1485, 5, #505 of 1993 🔗

I ventured to Tescos yesterday for the first time since Christmas and had no issues whatsoever. There was a member of staff in a high vis vest sitting at the entrance but she never even looked at me. I think where I am in Belfast they might be a little afraid to challenge anyone lol.

367773 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to kh1485, 7, #506 of 1993 🔗

We should actually just split society in 2. Supermarkets, music festivals, pubs and schools for the reckless (like us) and dedicated “safe” supermarkets for the rest. Then we can all live like we want to live

367928 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Liewe, 1, #507 of 1993 🔗

The problem with that, just like using the Nightingale hospitals for covid only, is that you would be able to see what was (not) happening. And that would never do…

367831 ▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, 1, #508 of 1993 🔗

as mentioned yesterday, was asked about mask at Aldi for first time. No problem when i said i was exempt. guy that asked me confirmed that there had been directive from on high so it looks like the supermarkets have been got at

367625 Mark, replying to Mark, 6, #509 of 1993 🔗

The distance between rhetoric and action is so large as to be bizarre. If you took the Johnson government at their word you would assume that Britain was on its way toward some sort of libertarian experiment in free market economics. Yet if you look at what the Government is doing it is far closer to what the Chavez and then Maduro government did to Venezuela .”

A good piece, highlighting some of the issues arising from the gap between the.attitudes the members of the ruling “Conservative” Party hierarchy profess to hold (conservative with libertarian inclinations), because they want to present them to their potential voters as being theirs, and the ideologies they actually hold to in practice – modern utopian radicalism, and authoritarian statism.

The latter are quintessentially the attitudes of the political left – society and humanity can be made better by experts making them do what’s right, for the greater good, and they achieve this by using state power to impose right thinking and right behaviour upon society. That’s why their government, in practice, comes to resemble other governments in which the left has taken power.

This is the result of the long triumph of the left through the C20th – the attitudes of the left are now those of the political and social elite, from MPs through businessmen and wealthy capitalists to academics and media editors and journalists.

There are some who cling to an outdated view of the left/right distinction as being purely about wealth ownership and distribution. This was one of the major issues during the C20th, but was largely settled in the late C20th and has not been the main issue of contention for most since the 1990s at least. The Blairite left realised that they could take and hold power by downplaying that aspect and recruiting leftist billionaires and middle classes to vote for them, instead of forcing them to choose between their wealth and their political principles.

367652 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, -3, #510 of 1993 🔗

Can we stick to the knitting, rather than indulge in mickey- mouse political and economic analysis for Dummies?

367682 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 5, #511 of 1993 🔗

Can we stick to the knitting

No, for the reasons set out to you in detail on many previous occasions, without response.

In addition, on this, Rick, you are quite simply a hypocrite, more than happy to repeatedly assert here your personal political fantasies about some kind of “far right” driving the coronapanic, while insisting that anybody saying something you dislike about politics is “riding a personal hobby horse”.

mickey- mouse political and economic analysis for Dummies?

I understand that you have a need to cling to your outdated fantasy of what makes for goodies and baddies in the world, safely keeping you among the former, but unless you wish to remain politically irrelevant in the modern world, you will eventually have to let go of your death grip on the notion of the eternal struggle between Good Socialists versus Evil Thatcherism.

The point I made here merely enlarged on and addressed the same issues as the piece referenced, published above the line on this site.

367705 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mark, 6, #512 of 1993 🔗

Perhaps we could just stay neutral and just say that the UK is heading for a much more state-controlled economy.

The difference with Venezuela is that in the UK the government is in partnership with the large corporate firms – a sitation described by Mussolini as fascism.

I don’t think our situation has much to do with left vs right. I think it has to do with technocracy and control (in the service of the state and corporatocracy) vs the freedom and autonomy of the common people.

What is often today referred to as ‘the left’ (climate change, genderism, critical race theory) is in fact an ideological construct of the dollar-centric financial system, which has been developed in the last 30 years to serve that system of dollar hegemony and to replace politics based on class.

Outstanding essay by Denis Rancourt on the subject here:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332182416_GEO-ECONOMICS_AND_GEO-POLITICS_DRIVE_SUCCESSIVE_ERAS_OF_PREDATORY_GLOBALIZATION_AND_SOCIAL_ENGINEERING_Historical_emergence_of_climate_change_gender_equity_and_anti-racism_as_State_doctrines

367774 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 4, #513 of 1993 🔗

My point, too. Not so much about ‘staying neutral’, but about focusing on the immediate subject rather than political grand- standing, given that – obviously- the issues have political and constitutional implications – tho’ not in the simplistic ‘left/right’ reductive sense – which is just a distraction.

367819 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to rockoman, 1, #514 of 1993 🔗

You claim “neutrality”, but your position is not neutral in any substantive sense.

I don’t think our situation has much to do with left vs right. I think it has to do with technocracy and control (in the service of the state and corporatocracy) vs the freedom and autonomy of the common people.

Clearly I disagree and I’ve set out my reasons. This absolutely is an issue of left v right (representing utopian radicalism versus conservatism), and the problem is the complete triumph of the former, whether it’s mediated by state or by corporate power.

In the end, though, it’s about who are your enemies and what policies are you resisting. The political enemies of liberty today are primarily addressable approximately as the Corbynite and Blairite Labour Party groups, and the Blairite “Conservative” Party groups. This is obviously not apparent if you accept an analysis designed to frame the Corbynites as “good guys” (and of course “the only real left”).

The only way out is to restore a traditionalist conservatism that is inherently suspicious of utopian radicalism. That is what we lost during the C20th.

What is often today referred to as ‘the left’ (climate change, genderism, critical race theory) is in fact an ideological construct of the dollar-centric financial system, which has been developed in the last 30 years to serve that system of dollar hegemony and to replace politics based on class .”

This is incorrect, because it is based upon the false idea I’ve often addressed here, that “left” is only defined by basically Marxist notions of ownership and management of capital. In fact that is a small subset of the issues involved, and not a particularly important one for the past couple of decades at least. There was a left and a right before Marx came along, and those concepts remain long after his politics were thoroughly discredited and the few aspects of his thinking that are of lasting use extracted.

367873 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mark, #515 of 1993 🔗

The point is we have bigger fish to fry at the moment that squabbling over red team blue team
They are both as woke as eachother

367889 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #516 of 1993 🔗

If people aren’t clear about the issues and who is on which team, how are they to know whom to support, and what policies?

They are both as woke as each other

Exactly my point, but “both” is not left and right, but Labour left and “Conservative” left. Wokery is quintessentially a set of dogmas of the utopianists and radicals (ie the left) who want to “remake” society and humanity “better”, and always has been. That’s pretty much how it is defined.

367747 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #517 of 1993 🔗

You have assumed a massive ( and massively inaccurate) amount about my views that illustrates your own fixations rather than anything else. Which perfectly illustrates my point about sticking to the knitting – i.e the substance here rather than indulging in a hobby-horse parade of simplistic assumptions and assertions.

367784 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #518 of 1993 🔗

No, I’ve made perfectly reasonable judgements about your views based on your various assertions here. Such judgements are inherently rebuttable, but you’d need to actually address them rather than just deny them. (Not that such a discussion would be particularly useful).

Regardless, the main issues remain your inappropriate insistence on “sticking to the knitting” (when it comes to views you dislike but not views you approve of) and your resort to abuse rather than substantive debate on a topic you are simply wrong on.

Both of which I’ve, unlike you, addressed substantively, repeatedly.

367684 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to RickH, 3, #519 of 1993 🔗

This kind of ad hominem attack should have no place here. It would be good if you could address the points raised if you disagree.

367788 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to WasSteph, -1, #520 of 1993 🔗

What’s ‘ad hominem’? It’s just an objection irrelevant political grand- standing.

367818 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to RickH, 2, #521 of 1993 🔗

I assume you have access to an internet search engine?
In simple terms it’s fairer to play the ball than the man. Or ignore him

367748 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, 2, #522 of 1993 🔗

Am I experiencing deja vu, or have you said that exact phrase to Mark before?

367717 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Mark, 4, #523 of 1993 🔗

How odd. I remember the 1990s triumphalism – “end of history”/”Communism/Socialism is dead”.
It’s an odd “Communist” state of affairs in which people returning to Britain from abroad may not merely have to be quarantined in hotels but have to pay for the privilege. Possibly Tory cronyism with certain hotel chains. But Communism? No.
I suspect capitalism has run out of road and this is all an attempt to rescue it, not implement The Communist Manifesto .

367754 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Waldorf, 2, #524 of 1993 🔗

Neither I nor the original piece suggested that we live in a “communist” country.

The original piece merely highlighted the similarity of methods between the lockdowners and the communist regimes we are familiar with, and implied likely similarity of outcomes.

All I did was to explain why that similarity exists.

Obsessing about communism per se is a bit like the obsessing by Rick H and those like him, who are unable to move on from their obsession with Thatcher’s defeat of their preference for state redistribution of wealth and ownership of asserts. It’s focussing on a subset of the issues, and an out of date one at that.

367780 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Mark, 1, #525 of 1993 🔗

No, you said the attitudes of the left were driving this and there was some kind of triumph of the left in the 20th century. Actually I detect plenty of right-wing authoritarianism in what is going on, and Boris Johnson is a pretty unlikely left-winger of any description.

367839 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Waldorf, 2, #526 of 1993 🔗

“Leftist” and “communist” are not congruent.

If a man who has demonstrated his beliefs in state provision of collective healthcare, state control of every aspect of behaviour pursuant to utopian ideas of the greater good, the continuation of radical utopian rebuilding of society and culture via mass immigration and via “politically correct” controls on behaviour and speech, funded by unlimited state deficit spending, is not left wing, then it’s hard to see what he would have to do to qualify as such. Go full 1970s and renationalise the commanding heights of the economy perhaps?

Look at his actions, not his words – he is a professional liar who has risen to the top in a system that strongly selects for such. It’s silly to be deceived by his inherited social elite status into thinking that somehow precludes his being “left wing”. Many of the most effective leftists have been such.

367898 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Mark, #527 of 1993 🔗

Good afternoon Mark

It’s interesting that you mention Venezuela. My wife, although Portuguese grew up in Caracas and has many times over the past 10 months, talked about some similarities to Britain. She’s not very political but quite astute as to human motivation and cynical (a trait we share thankfully!).

Anyway, for what its worth, she mentions the fact that the Chavista’s became persona non-grata (having been in positions of power at one point). She also says that Venezuela was always a well-educated society ( remaining in higher education for years and years whilst living at home) and people generally never needed to look for work abroad. These days however that’s no longer the case, and apparently well-qualified people (lawyers etc…) find themselves in Argentina, Brazil etc… often doing menial jobs.

Hope you don’t mind me mentioning them, as I thought it might be of interest.

Kindest regards

Simon

367941 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to SimonCook, #528 of 1993 🔗

Hello Simon, good afternoon, back at you : -)

In fairness, I didn’t mention Venezuela myself except in quoting the piece linked above the line,which does so. What kinds of things does your wife see as being similarities?

368284 ▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Mark, #529 of 1993 🔗

Sorry Mark, my mistake and the danger of trying to scroll this site on a phone!

To be honest, her main feelings centre around how Venezuela’s high level of patriotism – not necessarily based on tangible reality but more around myths that people believe or perhaps that arise from living in the past. One might think of ‘Keep Calm & Carry On’ and how the reality we are living in now is quite different from how we might like to see ourselves.

For example, it seems inconceivable that Brits would need to move abroad for economic reasons (I guess it has sort of happened when one thinks of Auwidersen Pet but it wasn’t really nationwide) and her point is that Venezuelan’s used to think that too. They got used to being superior to some of their disadvantaged South American neighbours, but the tables have now turned, and they find the shoe is on the other foot.

Best regards

Simon

367631 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #530 of 1993 🔗

https://tt.omni.se/fler-kvinnor-med-misstankta-biverkningar/a/dlLw41

Sweden.C-19 vaccinations 17th Jan 147000 doses. 15 deaths in relation to vaccinations but not considered to be casual due to underlying morbidity. Mostly elderly but a few in the 70s. 136 reported side effects and 50 serious, allergic and facial paralysis, which has been described before. There are some new, not earlier reported side effects but at the moment not any evidence that they are connected to the vaccine as not seen in the EU reporting system but keeping a watch on these. 77 % side effects female.

Interesting that neighbouring Norway have had much more deaths after vaccinations (although from underlying morbidity) than Sweden. Could it be a batch problem with the vaccines? Recently a batch of 300 000 of moderna vaccine was recalled in California dure to many allergic reactions. In the hacked e mails Pfizer and EMA there was discussion from EMA that they had concerns about reliability of production line of the vaccine. Let us hope in this lottery that UK got the right batch.

367646 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to swedenborg, 4, #531 of 1993 🔗

What if the batch is the whole production line?

367654 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 9, #532 of 1993 🔗

The silence from the UK is very troubling to me.

These countries seem much more transparent.

367658 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #533 of 1993 🔗

Me too

367691 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #534 of 1993 🔗

I was wondering about this, is it luck that there are apparently no adverse effects in the UK, are they not being reported, are people having a placebo or the standard flu jab.

367697 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to swedenborg, 2, #535 of 1993 🔗

“Interesting that neighbouring Norway have had much more deaths after vaccinations (although from underlying morbidity) than Sweden.”

Perhaps the lack of extreme lockdown measures in Sweden, has allowed the population to build up immunity to the vaccine.

🙂

367640 RickH, replying to RickH, 18, #536 of 1993 🔗

“Meanwhile Britain maintains the worst Covid death rate in the world.”

Well – of course one response is that this is vastly overstated because of the complete shambles of PCR defined data.

But, of course, the fanatics can’t have it both ways – if the summation is true, then government policy has failed catastrophically, and the privations of masks and lockdown are proven as utterly pointless.

367687 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 2, #537 of 1993 🔗

The cause of excess deaths in the UK was the clearing out of the hospitals – not covid.

367734 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, #538 of 1993 🔗

That certainly contributed, but it wasn’ t the entirety

367643 liztr835, replying to liztr835, 60, #539 of 1993 🔗

I may sound like a broken record here, but if most things are closed until Easter, how are the 3 million excluded from support going to cope, as well as those who have now lost their jobs, I am hearing of more every week.

I had to stop work from March 16th and started work again on July 13th, I then had to take November off, the part of December, now January, now we are told until April, then possibly more. I am not entitled to one penny in support. This is a total catastrophe. How many people reading this could have coped financially? most people I talk to have 1-2 months savings and thats it.

All the jobs advertised are very low wage, paying a fraction of what I normally earn, getting lots of applications, I am eeking a living doing some work virtually that just about covers my basic bills, and I worked during the summer so I am lucky, very lucky, many others will loose their homes, savings, possesions, and have to draw pensions years earlier than they have planned. It is horrific.

I am horrified at what is going on, I dont think people (apart from us) can contemplate the total and utter disaster that is coming, there is going to be mass unemployment, deaths from cancers etc will go through the roof, and then there is mental health, which was never properly treated at the best of times. The austerity years will be looked back on as the good old days.

I dont understand how anyone, any decent person can leave 3 million with no help during this, where people around me have claimed SEISS when their businesses were barely affected and worked leaving them with a major windfall. If this goes on until April I cannot imagine the state the country will be in.

367649 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to liztr835, 12, #540 of 1993 🔗

This is horrible.

I think that the pain right now is indefensible. However, if you have any debt of significance, then the banks will surely becoming under pressure in the very near future. The general health of the economy is not good, I expect to see a very worrying downward spiral soon.

367656 ▶▶ Janette, replying to liztr835, 16, #541 of 1993 🔗

I think it’s deliberate attack by the government to bring this country to its knees unfortunately. Why else would they continue this debarcle when the recovery rate from COVID for most people is over 99%?

367701 ▶▶ peter-, replying to liztr835, 18, #542 of 1993 🔗

It’s horrific and I know many people in the same situation and there is no light at the end of the tunnel, especially as this is going to go well in to the summer.

The sad fact is those behind lockdowns and those supporting them don’t care.

The Government don’t care because it isn’t going to be there mess to clean up. Starmer will be our next PM and Britain will be a fully fledged socialist dictatorship within 10 years.

The SAGE committee don’t care because for many of them this situation is the culmination of their (sad and lonely) life’s work. We are lab rats in their enormous social experiment to see just how much harm they can do to people in the name of doing good. They will all be protected after this with changed identities, lifelong police protection etc, they are going to need it as well.

And most of all the vast majority of Brits (save the intelligent few in here) don’t care. The are more interested in virtue signalling on social media about how great mask wearing is, how much the LOVE OUR NHS and that nothing is more important than saving lives. “COVID deaths” are very visible because the media propaganda campaign makes them so. Collateral damage is hidden (deliberately so) and anyone who speaks out is branded as selfish by all and sundry – don’t you know their is a pandemic on is their cry.

Britain is finished and the overwhelming majority of people who live here deserve every ounce of misery they are going to suffer because they have been cheering for it.

If I could I would get out now and far away, sell assets and say goodbye. Women in Saudi Arabia have more freedom than people in Britain right now and it ain’t changing any time soon.

367721 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to peter-, 10, #543 of 1993 🔗

Could not agree more Peter. I am astounded at the naiivety of people who think things will just go back to normal. Not just socially (very dubious) but economically (extremely dubious verging on fantasy).

367725 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to peter-, 2, #544 of 1993 🔗

Yes you right

367708 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to liztr835, 8, #545 of 1993 🔗

Watch James Delingpole’s interview with Charlie Ward – this was planned, and the destruction of the economy was the reason for creating this pandemic. Crashing the world’s economies is the reason, and the idea that 3 million people have been without help is awful to contemplate. The reset will be slavery. We must resist that.

367712 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to liztr835, 4, #546 of 1993 🔗

It is shocking. A supply agency which I was working for 3 days a week contacted me at the end of last week to say that I may be entitled to furlough are a prime example of running onto the pitch ready to go just as the whistle has blown. Furlough would have been good back in March. As it is 3 million of us have been surviving on our wits alone!

367937 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to liztr835, 6, #547 of 1993 🔗

That’s really, really bad and for the life of me I can’t fathom why those who still advocate lockdown and more restrictions think that they’re saving lives while condemning a healthy population to the threats of redundancies, unemployment, bankruptcy, mental health problems, substance abuse and others.

This cannot go on. I would imagine that the tipping point should be reached sooner rather than later.

Otherwise there will be hell to pay.

367655 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 5, #548 of 1993 🔗

The Branch Covidians claiming that the complete and utter failure of their chosen policy is down to us are about as convincing as the Soviet commissar blaming the poor tractor production statistics on “saboteurs”.

367698 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to mattghg, -2, #549 of 1993 🔗

It was not internal problems that ended the Soviet Union. It was the Fascist cold war and sanctions. The Soviet Union was reactionary from the beginning. It had to react to the assaults of the Western Capitalist Fascists after the unsuccessful attempt to erase it and use its vast resources for free.
Their tractors still work after 50 years. Longevity is an anathema in Capitalism with its planned obsolescence.

367880 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Nottheonly1, #550 of 1993 🔗

wrong wrong wrong

367657 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 15, #551 of 1993 🔗

Peter Doshi showed in the BMJ that the Pfizer claim of 95% effcicacy was utter tosh because they only arrived at the figure by leaving out a whole crowd of people with symptoms but who they didn’t test. Counting them in reduces the efficacy rate to below 30%. But there’s no trial data for the efficacy of just one jab, none at all. They only started administering this concoction a month ago. How can anyone make any claim based on a month’s worth of data? https://blogs . bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/

Every day a new fairy tale.

367797 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #552 of 1993 🔗

not to be outdone the AZ claims are also very generous
https://www.wired.com/story/the-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-data-isnt-up-to-snuff/

didn’t stop Hancock pushing the marketing plan of course:
https://therealslog.com/2020/12/03/exclusive-how-health-secretary-matt-hancock-misled-parliament-about-the-pfizer-vaccine/

and the leaked data from Pfizer’s own push for EU approval shows they were over egging the pudding

367662 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #553 of 1993 🔗

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(Will make a pleasant change from East Europeans crashing their twenty year old Skoda into your Merc on the local roundabout)

367678 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Cecil B, #554 of 1993 🔗

Why the gaslighting of disabled folks – based on the Capitalist exploitation that stops at nothing?

367663 Pebbles, 5, #555 of 1993 🔗

Another day, another call to action:
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/dont-let-them-get-away-with-sp/

This is the story of Chris Day, who blew the whistle on the understaffed NHS, understaffed ICUs in hospitals, and the horrendous shortcomings of the current government regarding the NHS… privatising, understaffing, cutting corners, etc etc etc.. and it touches on the gagging order all of the NHS staff is under, at all times it seems.

Though there is much I am upset about re compliant doctors and nurses in the NHS these days, the table needs to turn from the government laying blame at the public for “not behaving” properly and “not to overwhelm the NHS” to bringing home the point that the NHS was never equipped to deal with any pandemic (real or fake) to begin with, as demonstrated in the Cygnus Reports.

As always, none of these pledges may be 100% on target, but they are going the right direction… so if you have a fiver or tenner to spare, think about supporting this.

367665 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #556 of 1993 🔗

78000 people in the UK die each year from smoking related diseases and 8 million globally. So world wide smoking is a bigger killer than C19. Then why don’t the governments of the world spend half as much time, effort and money on stopping smoking. If 78k people die from smoking how many others are being treated for smoking related illnesses?

True that smoking is a personal issue, but aren’t smokers being selfish because they are taking away NHS resources from others who don’t have self inflicted medical conditions.

BTW I’m an ex smoker and funnily enough I managed to give up smoking due to the flu, as I found it hard to breath let alone smoke.

367677 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #557 of 1993 🔗

I wondered this too (also an ex smoker)and I think it could be probably because of the high tax revenue they get from tobacco sales. Wealth over health as per.

367695 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #558 of 1993 🔗

Precisely, but doesn’t our caring government want to save lives (sarcasm)?

367715 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #559 of 1993 🔗

I’m waiting for our caring supermarkets to ban tobacco and alcohol to keep us safe.

367716 ▶▶ Will, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #560 of 1993 🔗

I am just waiting for my stupid step sister, who is a smoker, to say people who aren’t vaccinated should be denied hospital treatment. 78000 is a very useful figure…

367733 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #561 of 1993 🔗

I am a smoker, and of course if governments cared about “public health” above all else then they would ban me from smoking. They would ban many things, yet they don’t.

As they are happy to impose lockdowns for covid this cannot be because they care about freedom of choice either.

It also can’t be about tax revenue, as they are in the process of destroying much of their tax base.

What is it about? I don’t know for sure.

367874 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Smelly Melly, #562 of 1993 🔗

Smokers pay tax.
Smokers die sooner, saving expenditure on pensions.

369280 ▶▶ Doodle, replying to Smelly Melly, #563 of 1993 🔗

‘78000 people in the UK die each year from smoking related diseases and 8 million globally.’

Prove it.

It’s hilarious how you’ll quote Govt. and WHO figures to back up your narrative on this but don’t accept those same sources in regards to Covid.

Maybe you should read and understand Pastor Niemoller.

By the way, the people least at risk from covid are current smokers. Those that are former smokers are most at risk. Enjoy.

367667 Nottheonly1, replying to Nottheonly1, 3, #564 of 1993 🔗

Yet if you look at what the Government is doing it is far closer to what the Chavez and then Maduro government did to Venezuela.

This is disturbing. Why is there no mentioning of what the Western pseudo values regimes did/do to Venezuela? Especially in the light of heavy sanctions – how would the UK fare, if it would be isolated like Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, or Yemen even under constant bombardment?

No, to blame Communism for the assault on it since WWII is a hallmark of Fascism. What happens in the West now is much more in line with the policies of Adolf Hitler. Communism at least theoretically stands for equality. Adjusted for the human condition that includes corruption as the major flaw, Communism is in no way worse than the economic Fascism of the Capitalist West.

And please, do mention how well Cuba fares in all of this. Their Doctors are all over the place to assist other Nations – not only those who are under siege.

367703 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Nottheonly1, 2, #565 of 1993 🔗

Why is there no mentioning of what the Western pseudo values regimes did/do to Venezuela? Especially in the light of heavy sanctions – how would the UK fare, if it would be isolated like Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, or Yemen even under constant bombardment?
No, to blame Communism for the assault on it since WWII is a hallmark of Fascism . ”

This would be a fair criticism if the piece addressed the conditions of living under those communist regimes, but it does not do so.

All it does is, rightly, point out the authoritarian and interventionist methods used in those countries, which are fundamental to the imposition of communism in any society that we have seen so far, and the fundamental philosophical similarity with lockdown here.

367995 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Nottheonly1, #566 of 1993 🔗

Chavez was not perfect but he did a lot to improve the lives of dirt-poor venezuelans, which is why he was repeatedly re-elected in elections which were probably fairer than the recent US one. In any event, Venezuela under his rule was way less authoritarian than the regime we are currently experiencing (the media, for instance, was very hostile towards the government). More comparable examples would be China or North Korea.

367674 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #567 of 1993 🔗
367777 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #568 of 1993 🔗

That dip in mortality for the Republic of Ireland has to explained. Its just nuts.

368074 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #569 of 1993 🔗

Perhaps they have ‘undied’ some people they had double counted earlier and hoped no one would notice

367676 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 19, #570 of 1993 🔗

Richie Allen show yesterday, plays a clip as spoken by a doctor on a radio show and to quote “in Ireland* the only circulating virus in the country at the moment is covid so if you have any nasal respiratory symptoms or anything of that nature it is covid until proven otherwise”

So there you have it, it’s covid or nothing.

Unbelievable.

*Safe to assume true in the whole of UK.

367679 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to stefarm, 2, #571 of 1993 🔗

Covid or bust

367681 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to stefarm, 1, #572 of 1993 🔗

I developed a coldsore last week, must have been Covid.

367693 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #573 of 1993 🔗

I developed a stye last week for which I am laying the blame firmly on mask wearing in the supermarket.

368158 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), replying to Puddleglum, 1, #574 of 1993 🔗

I know a good cure for that too – Apple Cider Vinegar (with the mother)

  1. Mix 1 part ACV with 2 parts filtered or cooled, boiled water
  2. Put in fridge to cool for 3 hours
  3. Apply to the stye area using a clean cloth or makeup pad
  4. Hold on the stye until the cloth or pad is dry
  5. Repeat up to 5 times per day

Works wonders
.

368970 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), #575 of 1993 🔗

Data, graphs, modelling methods, predictions and peer reviewed results analysis please.

And ask yer mum to type them, please.

367700 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #576 of 1993 🔗

Licorice lip balm is good for coldsores.

367710 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), replying to Ganjan21, 3, #577 of 1993 🔗

I used to suffer from horrific cold sores. I take daily 1000mg Lysine daily. Not had once in 4 years since that.

367722 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), 1, #578 of 1993 🔗

Me too, I use lysine balm.

367772 ▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to stefarm, #579 of 1993 🔗

Could you tell me where you get your balm please?

Thanks, Harry

367865 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #580 of 1993 🔗

I use hurraw licorice balm every day and if I get an outbreak I use lysine lip clear that can be bought via Amazon (although I’m avoiding Amazon). Quite hard to find so Amazon might be your only option.

https://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-3464-quantum-health-lip-clear-lysine-plus-ointment-7-grams

367878 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to stefarm, #581 of 1993 🔗

Many thanks stefarm….much appreciated.

368249 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), #583 of 1993 🔗

Thanks Sarigan!

367729 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), 1, #584 of 1993 🔗

Thank you I will look into that. I seem to get them when I am run down or sleep poorly. Two toddlers with one badly teething has been tough going.

368114 ▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Ganjan21, #585 of 1993 🔗

Oh, I remember those days. Hats off to you – you have your hands full.

368152 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), replying to Ganjan21, 1, #586 of 1993 🔗

Always used to get them when run down and usually a couple a year – missed two friends weddings because of them! Sometimes size of a golf ball on my lower lip. Was horrific. As I say not had one since using Lysine, changed my life.

368610 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), #587 of 1993 🔗

I find Vit C and D tablets put them to the sword pronto though I have had them a lot less since heavy antivirals to treat Shingles a decade ago.

367726 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to stefarm, 5, #588 of 1993 🔗

‘So there you have it, it’s covid or nothing.’

Which is why the Austrian rebels’ chants of Make influenza great again is so encouraging!

367736 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to stefarm, 2, #589 of 1993 🔗

Where Communism had to enforce obedience, the Western populations never needed that enforcement. People in the West at large are much more like sheep than those in Socialist/Communist Nations.

367868 ▶▶ Annie, replying to stefarm, #590 of 1993 🔗

Whatever happened to the common cold?

367887 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Annie, 1, #591 of 1993 🔗

Think it’s now the uncommon cold

367680 GorbalsGirl, replying to GorbalsGirl, 18, #592 of 1993 🔗

It looks like whoever is pulling Bojo’s strings (and those of other national governments) is still to brief him on when the UK public are to be given their lives back. Whatever mad Bond villain is driving the lockdown bus, it isn’t stopping anytime soon!

The only historical precedents for wrecking the economy internationally on this kind of scale involve warfare. So that – and the consistent pleading/threatening of world governments for their citizens to submit to an experimental injectible medicine – got me thinking.

A lot of geneticists are on record as suspecting covid is a lab-created chimera, escaped (or released) from Wuhan, and now endemic globally. If so, then isn’t it an astonishing co-incidence that its signature protein spike just happens to involve the same protein as mammalian placenta tissue? If I’m understanding what I’ve read, then that seems to be the case.

And this would mean any such “vaccine” to treat it would look to that same protein as the secret to destroying it, ie (tin foil hat time) the “vaccine” is deliberately designed to destroy human fertility, and the virus was reverse engineered purely to support that goal. It would explain why they’re all in such a hurry to inject everyone with the freaky mRNA before the sterilisation effect becomes apparent. A soft “painless” way to depopulate the world – ideal for the kind of elite eco-warrior nutjobs who despise humanity and think they’re morally virtuous by culling the poor.

Either that, or maybe China has been cooking up a lot more than just batflu in its labs and has been threatening to release genuinely deadly (and perhaps genetically targeted) viridae into the world at large? – whatever is going on, the CCP is obviously ground zero.

The total compliance of world governments to the Chinese/globalist agenda suggests a big stick somewhere behind the scenes. Or is it just me being paranoid??

367696 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to GorbalsGirl, 4, #593 of 1993 🔗

Are you being paranoid? You admit you do not know and simultaneously assert it is the Chinese Communist Party that is to blame. Whilst that may not be paranoia, it is irrational thinking. In rational thinking: first the evidence and then the conclusion. You are doing it the other way round.

367709 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #594 of 1993 🔗

I agree with Gorbals Girl. We may be the victims of Hybrid Warfare.

367870 ▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Steve Hayes, #595 of 1993 🔗

The evidence is that China is benefitting from this situation, and the West is dying.

367907 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to GorbalsGirl, 4, #596 of 1993 🔗

China did not force Boris Johnson to violate our rights and liberties, decimate our economy, turn the NHS into the Covid Service, undermine the rule of law, hollow out parliamentary democracy, and wage a campaign of terror against the people. They instituted fascism of their own will.

367706 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to GorbalsGirl, 2, #597 of 1993 🔗

It could be nearer to home with the new state-of-the-art Cell and Gene Therapy Catapult Manufacturing Innovation Centre to accelerate the mass production of a successful COVID -19 vaccine in the UK. Due to open in December 2021, the Centre will have the capacity to produce millions of doses each month

367881 ▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to DanClarke, #598 of 1993 🔗

Sounds lovely! :/

And it also sounds like they have no intention of letting us out until at least December 2021 plus.

367718 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to GorbalsGirl, 4, #599 of 1993 🔗

It’s You being paranoid. Why? Because You are discounting that it was China who was attacked in a biowarfare situation. Considering the constant messing with China by the U.S. stringpullers – including the worst propaganda – the conclusion should be that China was attacked and warded off that attack. There were way too many spots of outbreak simultaneously all over the globe to not be orchestrated releases. U.S. biowarfare labs are all over the planet.

367867 ▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Nottheonly1, #600 of 1993 🔗

Of course, the US is going to be illegally primed for biowarfare without a shadow of a doubt. We all know what the US is and what it does. But the Chinese will be exactly the same, if only to keep up with the bio arms race.

And since China appear to be the only nation actually benefitting from whatever is going on, it is not remotely irrational to suspect they had a hand in instigating and exporting it.

NB: I don’t actually see ANY propaganda about how we should mistrust China (apart from whatever ramblings Trump comes out with) – I see a media landscape where we’re encouraged to believe China is our benign ally and a potential business partner. It’s very different from how I remember Russia being handled in the 80s (and how Russia is still demonised now), and so is a bit suspicious in itself.

367756 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to GorbalsGirl, 3, #601 of 1993 🔗

Gain-of-function esearch in the Wuhan lab was funded by …

The mRNA vaccines are strictly a western thing – banned in China

367843 ▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to rockoman, 1, #602 of 1993 🔗

I’m pretty sure the US has its itchy trigger fingers in the Wuhan batflu pie as much as the Chinese!

But interesting the CCP had the good sense to ban these mRNA injections. Although I thought there was a ‘Sinovaccine’ or something doing the rounds?

367787 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to GorbalsGirl, 2, #603 of 1993 🔗

Strategy for this? Who is powerful enough to hold the USA to ransom, but can’t manage Sweden?

367836 ▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #604 of 1993 🔗

It’s a good question. But they’re still rolling out the vaccine in Sweden, I believe. Maybe ‘they’ just don’t need to threaten the Swedish public to make them comply with government instructions to be vaccinated, so lockdowns are superfluous? Or maybe the Swedish government doesn’t have dirty hands and can’t be blackmailed by supernational actors in the same way that the US can? I dunno – it’s very true there are some outlying nations so far resisting the lockdown insanity.

So maybe we should all be looking at what these countries have in common, and why they’re escaping this punishment?

367918 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to GorbalsGirl, 1, #605 of 1993 🔗

Countries resisting the lockdown insanity – Belarus: and it was the IMF (an organisation that is controlled by the US, not China) that tried to force Belarus to introduce lockdown.

367683 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 19, #606 of 1993 🔗

This is from “Rules of contagion” by Adam Kucharski: “According to the SIR model, outbreaks need three things to take off: a sufficiently infectious pathogen , plenty of interactions between different people , and enough of the population who are susceptible. Near the critical herd immunity threshold , a small change in one of these factors can be the difference between a handful of cases and a major epidemic.”
Note the part about herd immunity. SARS-CoV-2 did not, indeed could not, suddenly appear in January 2020 in the quantities required for a pandemic.

This is further evidence that it was around in one form or another months before, and was probably in the U.K. in the autumn of 2019, maybe before.

This would correlate with the patients my colleagues and I were seeing in October 2019 with persistent cough and low grade fever, being worse in people with diabetes and asthma.

When WHO declared a pandemic it became a panicdemic and susceptible people were discharged from hospital back into their care homes. This led to the conditions for an epidemic in this country.

367768 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, #607 of 1993 🔗

A very succinct explanation. I agree

368332 ▶▶ TJN, replying to p02099003, 2, #608 of 1993 🔗

The hypothesis that this has been in the UK, and elsewhere, since long before February 2020 has been kicking around for a long time. Astonishingly, no one in ‘science’ seems to want to get to the bottom of it.

A remarkably covid-like bug went through here (SW Devon) over Christmas-New Year 2019. Mrs TJN had the classic symptoms, including loss of taste/smell. And since February/March covid has never really taken off down here.

367688 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 41, #609 of 1993 🔗

Myself and the Bro’s have decided to up the ante in line with Government policy regarding mask compliance or in our case non compliance.. The WW2 will now be used on a regular basis each of us taking turns in using it at all Banks, surgeries, dental appointment’s, hospitals etc etc..Non masking without lanyards in all areas Supermarket’s, shops etc etc.. Blackout specials will also be used in selected ares that do not comply with disability laws.. We’ll be putting out the fire with gasoline..

367714 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #610 of 1993 🔗

If you ever get the opportunity, please post pictures.

368990 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to mattghg, #612 of 1993 🔗

Nice intro, then I became aware of why I never got into heavy metal.

Please tell me that’s the heaviest that metal gets.

367699 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 16, #613 of 1993 🔗

If masks worked why stop people seeing their family. If there is one thing Johnson, his government and our Parliament should never be forgiven for, its that.

367749 ▶▶ JASA, replying to DanClarke, 13, #614 of 1993 🔗

I agree, irrespective of masks. How any so called Conservative MP (or anyone for that matter) can vote for restrictions that include not being allowed to see you family is beyond me.

367702 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #615 of 1993 🔗

Video from “We got a problem” showing Pharma shill Dr Hillary haranguing a woman who doesn’t think – as per Pfizer advice – that pregnant women shouldn’t take the jab. Funnily enough, Dr Shillary thinks that things may change in five months’ time. I wonder what he’s talking about? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvnYFptN12w

367711 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #616 of 1993 🔗

My cousin in her mid 20s had the vaccine, shes mildly asthmatic and works as a physio in the NHS. As far as I know she wants a family some day so I will be watching from the sidelines as to whether sthis happens for her or not.

367763 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #617 of 1993 🔗

My niece is a junior doctor, same age.

She had hers last week.

Happy to be part of the experiment I have to assume.

367804 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Londo Mollari, #618 of 1993 🔗

He’s a complete Chunt !

367859 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Londo Mollari, #619 of 1993 🔗

Yew Tree enthusiast

367945 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Londo Mollari, #620 of 1993 🔗

He should be nominated for “We Got A Problem’s” Shit Weasel of the Week award.

369005 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Londo Mollari, #621 of 1993 🔗

At the risk of being a pedant, it was Piers ‘organ (the ‘m’ is silent) who mentioned the 5 months right at the end.

I want these people ruined when we finally get out of the end of this arsehole.

367707 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 38, #622 of 1993 🔗

People…RISE. Say NO, and say ENOUGH.

Anyone who has children who have been deprived of school, university, nurseries, or any form of education, must now RISE and start chaining themselves to the school and university gates. There is no point to wait for the government to regain their senses, because they never had any to begin with, which was demonstrated beautifully by initiating lockdowns in the first place.

Stop waiting for the government to hand you your freedom or your power back. It won’t happen… at least not in the way you imagine.

It will happen in the form of totalitarian blackmail – “take this experimental vaccine and you may be allowed out of your house”, “you are allowed to do x if you jump through hoops xyz and abc”.

You want your freedom back?
You want any real-world education back?
You want to travel again like free people not suffering from the plague should be allowed to?
You want the truth about the many factors and factions creating this “pandemic”?

CLAIM IT.
Claim your freedom, claim the truth, claim your children’s right to an education, claim your right to exercise, socialise, travel, interact, conduct business, and participate in life.

You are watching a real-time, totalitarian, global fascist coup d’état in action.
Compliance equals consent for them to keep going. And they WILL keep pushing.
Remove your consent. Say NO.

367800 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Pebbles, #623 of 1993 🔗

If only you could put that in the Tele ! 👍

367802 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, #624 of 1993 🔗

On the television

367713 MGB51, 5, #625 of 1993 🔗

I’ve been reading a lot of comments around the media as to how we should all join YouGov and start to answer “no we don’t support lockdowns” to try and swing the polls the Government is so fond of using to justify their policies in regard to C-19.

I’ve been a member of the YouGov community since February 2014 and changed my settings in 2018 to receive as many polls as possible.

I have only ever been asked once whether I support the policy of lockdown or further lockdowns and this was back at the start of November.  I have been asked fairly frequently (once a month maximum) whether I think the Government has been doing a good job of handling the  crisis, to which I have always answered “not at all” (or whatever the most negative wording is).

I understand that this is just my experience of the polling but I am thinking next time I get asked that question I may say “they are doing really well” just to see whether I get asked about lockdowns directly again.

367719 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 26, #626 of 1993 🔗

From the DT live feed:
Sir Patrick Vallance has said it is “not safe” for people to visit loved ones in care homes even after residents have had both doses of the vaccine.
Speaking to Sky News , Sir Patrick said: “This is a horrible situation, and many of us have got relatives who are in care homes and how difficult it is not to be able to see them and not to be able to do the things that we all wish to do – the normal human things – but I’m afraid my answer to this question is no, it’s not safe.”
Hopes of restrictions being lifted soon are fading too. Asked if the lockdown would be kept in place if infection figures dropped, Sir Patrick said: “The advice at the moment is vaccines are not going to do the heavy lifting for us at the moment, anywhere near it.

How can so many people still be so oblivious and accepting? Actually, I think I can partly answer my own question. Conversations with a couple of my friends in recent days revealed that they are taking no interest at all in what is going on outside their 4 walls. They don’t look at any media apart from FB and Twitter. They haven’t even heard of lateral flow tests, have no idea what the ridiculous restrictions might be (other than accepting that they need to stay indoors to avoid mass murder), no idea about job losses and no wish to use their imagination to put themselves in the shoes of others who are suffering. I simply can’t relate to them on any level, so I suppose they are not friends any more.

367744 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #627 of 1993 🔗

The thing about Lateral Flow tests is that they are based on lifting the kind of configuration the PCR is based on, just targeting the N Gene specifically. So that’s why they say it picks up less positives because the PCR targets a number of genes.

Now if the PCR gene targeting is under serious question, what is lateral flow doing?

We have spent 10 months complaining about PCR, we may have to do the same with lateral flow. All screening should be haulted

367760 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #628 of 1993 🔗

No argument from me. My point was that people are completely oblivious to vocabulary that now saturates daily life for those of us who give a damn – they can’t have an opinion (let alone an informed one) about things that they have never even heard of. Totally unaware of the tools that are being used to manipulate and control. They are alright, thanks, with their heads stuck firmly in the sand, and I don’t see what’s going to change that.

367798 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #629 of 1993 🔗

So, the government’s Chief Scientific Adviser says the vaccine doesn’t work? That’s alright, then.

367810 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #630 of 1993 🔗

Depends what you mean by ‘work’, I suppose. It’s doing a beautiful job of distracting the masses from everything else that is going on and providing more opportunities to laud compliance and shame those guilty of indepdnent thought.

367903 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #631 of 1993 🔗

How short sighted of me. I feel such a fool, now.

367861 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #632 of 1993 🔗

They are not human.
Make friends with cat or dog instead. Life your relationships on to a higher level.
If dogs are too demanding, try a slug, it’s still a step upwards.

367940 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Annie, 1, #633 of 1993 🔗

I know, Annie. My dogs are wise, kind, loving and loyal and we are in perfect harmony.

368409 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Annie, 2, #634 of 1993 🔗

The Moral Maze.
Should I wear a face covering when talking to my slug?

367720 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 1, #635 of 1993 🔗

The new state-of-the-art Cell and Gene Therapy Catapult Manufacturing Innovation Centre to accelerate the mass production of a successful COVID-19 vaccine in the UK is due to open in December 2021, the Centre will have the capacity to produce millions of doses each month. Doing so will increase the UK’s ability to respond to diseases like coronavirus and to prepare for potential future pandemics while creating new, high-skilled jobs to FUEL THE UK’S ECONOMIC RECOVERY.

367740 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DanClarke, 5, #636 of 1993 🔗

As someone mentioned here before, we just create an economy based on 6 month cycles of production then roll-out of vaccines.

Existing is not living.

367723 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 56, #637 of 1993 🔗

Excellent! My new face mask has arrived. Can’t wait to wear it to the supermarket later!

367732 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to The Covid Kid, 13, #638 of 1993 🔗

Me and the Bro’s are ordering 31 of them suckers showtime..

367739 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to The Covid Kid, 7, #639 of 1993 🔗

Thanks for posting that. Feeling really down about the whole shit show today but when I saw that I just burst out laughing.

367741 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Old Trout, 2, #640 of 1993 🔗

me too!

367757 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #641 of 1993 🔗

Mrs Mollari thinks it’s disgusting – but she laughed.

367860 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #642 of 1993 🔗

I agree with your Mrs. Disgusting. Helpless giggles.

368326 ▶▶▶ The Covid Kid, replying to Old Trout, #643 of 1993 🔗

Glad it made you smile 😊

367759 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to The Covid Kid, 5, #644 of 1993 🔗

Can we have a photo of you wearing the mask please

(apologies, couldn’t resist that one)

367767 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to The Covid Kid, 7, #645 of 1993 🔗

Hancock’s new disguise looks a lot like Hancock out of disguise.

367816 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to The Covid Kid, 2, #646 of 1993 🔗

Ha ha ha ha!! Thanks for that!

367902 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to The Covid Kid, 3, #647 of 1993 🔗

That’s clearly offensive, and if you wore it, say in a shop, you’d be asked to take it off immediately…

368417 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to The Covid Kid, 2, #648 of 1993 🔗

What happens if you sneeze?

367727 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 18, #649 of 1993 🔗

Despite all the doom and gloom the fact remains that people are out and the roads are almost as busy as normal, no one seems particularly scared and people are doing the their own thing. Ignore the diktats.

367738 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to nickbowes, 17, #650 of 1993 🔗

Had to do minor repairs in customer’s house, nobody mentioned Covid, cup of tea was offered. Totally normal. So yes there is some cause to hope.

367858 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #651 of 1993 🔗

Is that a regular experience for you?

367762 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to nickbowes, 11, #652 of 1993 🔗

This lockdown much different, I’ve been meeting other Mums and kids in playparks and I visited my best friend on Saturday, lots of hugs all round and no mention of the C word. Still seeing family members except for MIL who is still acting like everyone is a leper.

367728 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 53, #653 of 1993 🔗
  • 3 weeks to flatten curve
  • over by summer
  • saving Christmas
  • over by March 2021
  • hopefully summer 2021 OK
  • winter 2021 could be a problem
  • hopefully back to normal in 2022
  • once vaccine deployed should get back to normal
  • even if you’ve had the vaccine you still need to socially distance & wear a mask

When do you think the media and the people will wake up?

367731 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Achilles, 5, #654 of 1993 🔗

WW11, over by Christmas

367761 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DanClarke, 3, #655 of 1993 🔗

“Hitler’s missed the bus.” General Ironside, 1939

367833 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Achilles, 9, #656 of 1993 🔗

March 2021 large awakening (1 year anniversary). Summer 2021 majority realise they have been had.

367926 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #657 of 1993 🔗

No way.
They simply are incable to admit that.
Mentally, they are members of a cult.
And those can and will only abandon the cult AFTER the catastrophe.

367959 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JayBee, 2, #658 of 1993 🔗

The cult is not as big as we think and any on the fringe will be getting serious pressure now to rethink there approach. Just look at Hugh’s post regards the destruction of the youngs mental health and opportunities. This is visible throughout the country covid is not.

368422 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Achilles, #659 of 1993 🔗

They don’t want to wake up, its a wet dream for them.
(the media anyway)

367737 JASA, replying to JASA, 17, #660 of 1993 🔗

I want to know whether Will and fellow authors of the daily bulletins on this site accept that we are seeing a ‘second wave’? Will writes the following above the line, which implies that he does. “Lockdowners love to point the finger at the failed predictions of sceptics. But do they check their own rear-view mirror? How much revisiting of their own prognostications have they done to see if they hit the mark? Or is it one rule for the sceptics and another rule for the lockdown zealots?”

More people are being tested, so more positive results (rightly or wrongly) will be recorded and so, therefore, more people will be dying who will have had a positive test within 28 days of their death. Add to that the fact that any symptom seems to be Covid-19; that influenza seems to have vanished; this is not the same virus from last year, it has mutated and it is winter, so lots of people will be dying.

Also, this has been mentioned before, why are the deaths this year being added to the deaths from last year to give an ever increasing total? The counter should start again for each new viral season, otherwise influenza, for example, has killed millions and millions.

While I feel that this site is brilliant and a life line, the authors are beginning to crumble and acquiesce to some of the propaganda. I find that very disheartening.

367751 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to JASA, 9, #661 of 1993 🔗

Yes they are losing a bit of clarity, probably through sheer fatigue. That stuff about sceptics failed predictions for instance. I haven’t seen any predictions other than lockdowns won’t work and that has been proved correct time and time again. Why are we in Lockdown 3? It’s the predictions on the other side that are invariably wrong.

367746 Freecumbria, 3, #662 of 1993 🔗

Nice animation comparing Sweden’s all cause mortality in 2015 to 2020. The unusual year is as we know 2019 which was unusually low. And 2020 and 2015 are about the same figure

https://twitter.com/GraalTruth/status/1351834653733359616

367750 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #663 of 1993 🔗

does anyone have the link for this chart – I can see its on the chart but its too long and blurry

367813 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Basileus, #665 of 1993 🔗

thanks

367914 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Major Panic, 1, #666 of 1993 🔗

The two sources are:

1. 1971 to 2016: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/008520agestandardisedmortalityratesstandardisedusingtheboth2013and1976europeanstandardpopulationsbysexengland1971to2016 [accessed 19 January 2021].

2. 2017 to 2020: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/december2020 [accessed 19 January 2021].

Age-standardised mortality rates standardised using the 2013 European Standard Population, England, 1971 to 2020
Year   Rate per 100,000
1971   1808.43
1972   1865.82
1973   1839.50
1974   1819.81
1975   1792.63
1976   1834.31
1977   1732.02
1978   1735.69
1979   1742.85
1980   1681.99
1981   1657.45
1982   1653.52
1983   1629.35
1984   1573.77
1985   1618.07
1986   1570.50
1987   1508.30
1988   1508.69
1989   1506.01
1990   1456.35
1991   1458.92
1992   1409.00
1993   1445.78
1994   1368.91
1995   1384.47
1996   1365.95
1997   1343.34
1998   1321.88
1999   1312.06
2000   1259.81
2001   1229.33
2002   1225.01
2003   1225.34
2004   1156.56
2005   1137.59
2006   1099.27
2007   1084.54
2008   1085.45
2009   1027.75
2010   1010.97
2011   972.91
2012   981.27
2013   979.08
2014   946.73
2015   986.57
2016   959.79
2017   959.00
2018   956.10
2019   918.60
2020   1037.30 (Provisional)

368440 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #667 of 1993 🔗

I carry a copy of figures in this format around with me.

I hand them over to zombies and ask “Show me the pandemic” or “Show me who is lying, the government or the ONS?”

It is the format that is so important here – so much better than the thousands of graphs you see (except that circular one).

367752 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #668 of 1993 🔗

The lockdown has caused a backlog of cases not only in the NHS but in the courts system. https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/pandemic-caused-court-backlog-grave-concern-england-and-wales-report

367771 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #669 of 1993 🔗

This is how Gandhi won the battle
Clog up the courts with fines and other nonsense
Not violence, marches and petitions

367755 Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 26, #670 of 1993 🔗

One aspect (amongst many) that I find puzzling is the apparent gloating or at least “we told you so” attitude portrayed by many of those supporting lockdown policies when the ‘case’ and death numbers rise. This seems to be completely at odds with their so-called altruism. It appears to me that they would rather be ‘proved right’ than have any genuine concern that people are ill and dying. I hate it when I see the death count, not least because I obviously do not want folk to die yet it is us sceptics that are precieved to be cheering on fatalities but from what I can tell it is the other way round.

367794 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 12, #671 of 1993 🔗

They love it. I mean that.

367822 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 9, #672 of 1993 🔗

Someone posted recently about a friend’s 35 yo daughter getting it. When the LSer assured her that the daughter would be fine, she said “We’ll have to differ…”
They want it!

367854 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 7, #673 of 1993 🔗

We’ve had weeks of lockdown, no impact whatsoever, case numbers and corpse counts are apparently rocketing, do they never make the connection…?

367896 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Annie, 2, #674 of 1993 🔗

“Hello, is that the Common Sense Police? Yes, I’d like to report….” 🙂

367758 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 20, #675 of 1993 🔗

Jeez, these people just don’t give up. The guy who works for the Town Council (he also moonlights as a market ‘safety’ marshal) has just walked past the back of the shop. T, a word of advice old son, don’t try your hand at acting. Just waved and given him a thumb’s up!. Tossers.

367851 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 3, #676 of 1993 🔗

You will have your day, kh, and we’ll all be there to cheer.

367884 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 7, #677 of 1993 🔗

Ta. He’s back and he’s just taken pictures of the shop. Though, we just received a climb-down e-mail from Ms EHO so it’s not all bad.

367891 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 2, #678 of 1993 🔗

KBO!

367855 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 5, #679 of 1993 🔗

I hope you get these tossers on video. In fact a big sign with “These premises are protected by cctv ” might be appropriate.

368078 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, #680 of 1993 🔗

Keep fighting!

367775 JASA, replying to JASA, 21, #681 of 1993 🔗

Surely, when things don’t improve with the ‘vaccine’ roll out, the public will wake up. Surely. Please.

367796 ▶▶ jb12, replying to JASA, 6, #682 of 1993 🔗

New variants + continued focus on PCR positives; repeat ad infinitum.

367812 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to jb12, 7, #683 of 1993 🔗

But people will see that nothing will stop this. Surely, even those with an IQ of well below 100 will work it out. Surely.

367817 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to JASA, 2, #684 of 1993 🔗

No. Just look at what’s happening now. There is no vaccine for stupidity.

367846 ▶▶▶▶ caravaggio57, replying to JASA, 3, #685 of 1993 🔗

By the comment of “those with an IQ of well below 100”, I presume you mean MPs.

367815 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to jb12, 2, #686 of 1993 🔗

A few variants, up to March, the anniversary of lock down. Then, ta-daaah – The Emperor’s New Virus! New state of emergency until 2024 when GE will be cancelled, and they announce their ‘Ten Year Recovery Plan’.

367832 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #687 of 1993 🔗

sounds about right…..I’m waiting for the Queen to pop her clogs and then we will have King Charles of Woke on the throne driving his ten year global agenda!!?…..something to look forward to?

369077 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Luckyharry69, #688 of 1993 🔗

If the monarchy continue to just sit idly by as this progresses, they’re toast when it’s over.

They’re a disgrace and the next in line is in on it.

368447 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to JASA, #689 of 1993 🔗

No, it will only be over when we, the people, say it is over.

367782 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 32, #690 of 1993 🔗

Have people on here watched ‘The New Normal’ documentary yet?

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/the-new-normal-documentary_ecuUiUhHpP9INeh.html

Highly recommended. Well produced (almost like a BBC2 doc) and joins a lot of dots. Obviously being yanked from YouTube and I suspect shadow banned on social media because it doesn’t suit the narrative.

367801 ▶▶ Joseph, replying to Joseph, 5, #691 of 1993 🔗

If you have seen it already and recommend it please upvote the comment above, and if you watch it please also upvote the comment so more LS users view it.

I would say it’s absolutely essential viewing and really should be featured by the web hosts of this site, though I think Toby is resistant to the idea of the 4th Industrial Revolution/Great Reset stuff.

Even so, the covid part of it all as well as the coverage of the protests and police brutality in the UK and overseas is very important.

367885 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Joseph, #692 of 1993 🔗

Is it conspiracy tripe or fairly sentient ??

367899 ▶▶▶▶ Joseph, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #693 of 1993 🔗

Definitely “fairly sentient”. 100%.

Give the first 2 minutes a go – the intro is great. It’s superb.

I’ve sent it to a few of my “lockdown faithful” friends/family and all of them have been very receptive, to my astonishment.

367904 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Joseph, 1, #694 of 1993 🔗

Balanced is what I meant
Any whiff of Icke or weatherman Corbyn and i’m out

367906 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Joseph, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #695 of 1993 🔗

No Icke, no Corbyn.

368715 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Joseph, #696 of 1993 🔗

It’s definitely worth watching!

367783 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 27, #697 of 1993 🔗

Reading some of the comments at the Daily Mail’s disgraceful attack on Sumption and thinking about the extent of the damage we’ve inflicted on children and young people seemingly without any qualms at all, it struck me that there is an element among the older population that hates, literally hates the young. You see it in the venomous comments they make, the way they shamelessly express the hope that young people enjoying themselves “get Covid and die.”

It really is sickening.

367847 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #698 of 1993 🔗

They hate us too.

367857 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #699 of 1993 🔗

And only a section of the older people, surely. If they are real people at all. I’m older, most of my friends older still, and none of them are lockdown fanatics. There are a couple of waverers, but none of them want young people hurt to save older people.

I suspect it’s the ‘divide and rule’ tactic from psyops.

367862 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #700 of 1993 🔗

Oh I know it’s only a section of them, lots of healthy sceptics among the older population too.

367910 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #701 of 1993 🔗

Most of them trolls.

367795 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 15, #702 of 1993 🔗

We have wondered where the human rights lawyers have been for the last year. Just stumbled across this DT article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/20/solitary-confinement-child-offenders-faces-supreme-court-challenge/

“Solitary confinement for child offenders faces a legal challenge in the Supreme Court on Wednesday after a 15-year-old boy was locked up alone for 55 days despite having mental health problems.
The boy was held in his cell at Feltham Young Offenders Institution for more than 23 hours a day and barred from having any contact with any other children and only limited contact with adults. He ate alone in his cell, received no education and had no access to the gym, psychological treatment or purposeful activity. ”

Sounds like he was enjoying what is now a very normal existence for many a 15 year-old in this country. And surely he should have felt pleased and proud to be saving lives into the bargain. 55 days – what an amateur. Yes, this was appalling cruelty, but so is what is being done to children and young people every day now. Is there any limit to the harm that our young folk are expected to sustain in the name of… what exactly?

367807 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #703 of 1993 🔗

Yep a lightweight, try doing a year like the rest of us

367826 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #704 of 1993 🔗

“no access to psychological treatment” could be read in one of two ways

367803 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #705 of 1993 🔗

Have you noticed that when members of the regime get a bit weepy they get pinged by track and trace and confined to barracks?

It was the pig dictator at Christmas and now Mandy

However that did not stop Mandy from lecturing us whilst sat on the bog yesterday

Presumably the bog thing was because non of his underlings were prepared to stand in and speak the guff that he comes up with

367827 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 3, #706 of 1993 🔗

What is this clown going to do once this circus ends?

367841 ▶▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #707 of 1993 🔗

Sell used cars.

367911 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #708 of 1993 🔗

Get a peerage.

367919 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #709 of 1993 🔗

Multiple directorships of pharma companies.

368452 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Tom Blackburn, #710 of 1993 🔗

Swing from a lamp post by his neck?

367808 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #711 of 1993 🔗
368263 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to PastImperfect, #712 of 1993 🔗

Don´t use Facebook.

367811 Jez Hewitt, replying to Jez Hewitt, 17, #713 of 1993 🔗

The nonsense I’ve just read about playing cards in the woke gobbledygook section has just reminded me how much I miss my dad.

He’s been pushing dasies for over twenty years but boy he’d have relished this battle we have the good fortune to be enduring now. I’m not ignorant of the fact that its misfortunes are colossal, nor am I immune to them; my business is shut; my five closest friends have turned out to be thick as shit – the daises my dad’s pushing have more courage than them combined; and the future currently looks bleak for my 5yr old boys who now live in a country that deems it appropriate to broadcast a cartoon about a man with an extraordinarily long willy that can raise flags on poles, amongst other uses (the Danes have a thing about flags).

The good fortune is to be alive and cognitively astute at a time in history when we can actually make things better for mankind. We just have to remove these maniacs from power, and if it has to be the hard way, so be it.

My dad would have turned 80 on his last birthday, he’d also probably be in custody for throttling Hancock in the park.

Wokey-wokey can fuck-offy. He loved this:

https://youtu.be/LsCiaxPhtVY

367845 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jez Hewitt, 2, #714 of 1993 🔗

Wish I’d known your dad!

369120 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Annie, #715 of 1993 🔗

Thanks Annie, I wish I had had more time knowing him too.

Every reason to take each day as it comes until we end this nonsense.

367869 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Jez Hewitt, 2, #716 of 1993 🔗

Thanks for that. I think it is vital to try and keep some optimism, and thinking in this way is one way to do it: that we are privileged to be able to make a difference. US Lawyer Robert Barnes (who always manages to remain upbeat) said a similar thing recently: that he had always wished to live in a time of historic constitutional crisis and that his wish looks to be coming true.

369141 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #717 of 1993 🔗

Like others, I have my bad days too.

On a global scale this is going to get a whole lot worse, but it will end. Badly for the losers and the winners, no matter what.

Poverty, hunger, destitution, cities on fire, people will eventually see. Easy way or hard way, they’ll eventually see.

367820 Janette, replying to Janette, 14, #718 of 1993 🔗

I hear from a comment on the DM that small businesses are making a stand on 30/01/21. Has anyone else heard that?

367828 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Janette, 4, #719 of 1993 🔗

Some posts about this yesterday and day before I think

Check here which is a mirror of LS

https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm

368105 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Paulus, 1, #721 of 1993 🔗

Wish retailers and museums would also join in.

367894 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Janette, 4, #722 of 1993 🔗

Would be great if the tourist and campsite orgs would also join the stand then we could go to our static on Formby Bay that we’ve been locked out of since October. Not a tragedy on the face of it except on my mental health (the reason we stretched ourselves to attain this ‘luxury’) and financial health ie the £3.5k service charge we’ve just been billed despite only ‘being allowed’ to go for 5 of the past 12 months. Oh and because of the lockdown I can’t get temping assignments I normally do to fund it. Never mind, only a few weeks to ‘not overwhelm the NHS’ ‘flatten the curve’ ‘lower the R-rate’ ‘reduce cases’ ‘deliver the vaccine’ ….. ‘not overwhelm the NHS’…..rinse and repeat ad infinitum…..

367900 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Janette, 3, #723 of 1993 🔗

There was a hashtag # greatreopening
There’s some stuff over on Gab
ideally this is the way forward – just like Gandhi clog up the courts
The system eventually caved due to the weight of it all

367824 Nobody2021, 19, #724 of 1993 🔗

Lockdowns are now essentially a self inflicted addiction. Governments have become reliant on them. The more they do them the more they need to do them.

The only way to break free of an addiction is to wean yourself off it or go cold turkey.

Places that have taken that path such as Georgia, Florida or South Dakota (plenty of other examples) show that tight restrictions are not necessary. In none of these places has the problem ever become unmanageable.

The addicts will use classic excuses to maintain the addiction. We can’t stop otherwise more people will die or the R number will increase or simply that things will be worse without them. Things will always be better with another lockdown hit.

There’s no consideration that things are the way they are because of lockdowns and the more you use them the more you come to rely on them.

367825 J4mes, 10, #725 of 1993 🔗

Has anyone filed a complaint against the Guardian and Observer for their extreme scaremongering and demonisation that supported the cancellation of Christmas? The complaints form is not particularly intuitive!

367837 Nobody2021, 12, #726 of 1993 🔗

Pandemic logic:

A large proportion of people catch the virus in hospital. Most deaths are in hospitals or care homes.

If we didn’t restrict the movements of every human being in the country even more people would have caught the virus in hospitals and there would be even more deaths there and in care homes.

367838 Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 11, #727 of 1993 🔗

Someone has had a look at the Turner Classic Movies schedule for today. notice anything anybody?

367852 ▶▶ Still Got It, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #728 of 1993 🔗

Sorry first poster and just managed to downvote someone by mistake – trying to upvote their new normal video so more watch it. good start!

367853 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #729 of 1993 🔗

Weird.

368044 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 5, #730 of 1993 🔗

Ha ha ha. Subliminal messaging? Maybe a sleeper will be activated and head off to the inauguration.

367840 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 22, #731 of 1993 🔗

Ok I watched this.

Covid-19: Mortician says deaths have taken a toll – BBC News

Yes I got emotional but no I did not change my position. Here’s why:

  • Many of us will die in a hospital in this manner, whether from Covid or not
  • With no cost-benefit analysis, we are pushing the deaths out along the time curve
  • There will be tears and tragedies for the missed cancers etc. but they won’t be filmed to ‘make a point’
  • It is sad for these patients, but the young ones are very, very unlucky
  • The BBC is focusing with long shots of tearful medical staff
  • That is not the way policy should be formulated
  • The aggregate, the greater good must be determined by a cool-headed utilitarian approach
  • The emotion must be taken out of all this in order to save lives and keep humanity progressing
  • You are NOT a monster or hard-hearted for thinking this way, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise
367883 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to jhfreedom, 20, #732 of 1993 🔗

A mortician who finds that death takes a toll is probably in the wrong business.

367981 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #733 of 1993 🔗

Ha there is that too. So a nice steady flow of death is ‘ok’ is it…

It was a good exercise.

Some emotion at the sight of people in the death zone tells me me I’m human, but not changing my view tells me I have strength in my convictions and am thinking of the unseen victims now and in the future.

367905 ▶▶ Kat, replying to jhfreedom, 11, #734 of 1993 🔗

You are right about younger people who die from Covid being very unlucky. The claim is always that they wouldn’t have caught it if they hadn’t been exposed to other people. Yet we have been in a state of semi Lockdown for 10 months and they can’t all have been out at illegal raves and illicit parties so how and where are they catching it? I am still unclear as to how Covid is transmitted and I’m not convinced that our leading scientists on Sage are any further forward with understanding how it’s transmitted.

367848 chrissybear, 5, #735 of 1993 🔗

“Independent” Sage! Ha ha ha!

What a misnomer if ever there were one!

“Independent” of who or what exactly?

They are about as “independent” as Tony Blair…

367849 JanMasarykMunich, 6, #736 of 1993 🔗

Calm explication of Great Reset interpretation.

And no, despite title, he is not actually a Covid-denier.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/18/why-i-became-a-covid-denier/

367871 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #737 of 1993 🔗

Just heard of a local gym that is unlikely to re-open again.

367897 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Smelly Melly, #738 of 1993 🔗

Excellent where is it?

368040 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Janette, #739 of 1993 🔗

Churchill Somerset.

368102 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Janette, #740 of 1993 🔗

Excellent that it’s closing? Just checking.

367875 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 10, #741 of 1993 🔗

Telegraph coronavirus live feed (free):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-covid-news-vaccine-uk-lockdown-deaths-cases-scotland/

These bastards are determined to keep the shit-show going, come what may.

Sir Patrick Vallance has said it is “not safe” for people to visit loved ones in care homes even after residents have had both doses of the vaccine.

Speaking to Sky News, Sir Patrick said: “This is a horrible situation, and many of us have got relatives who are in care homes and how difficult it is not to be able to see them and not to be able to do the things that we all wish to do – the normal human things – but I’m afraid my answer to this question is no, it’s not safe.”

Hopes of restrictions being lifted soon are fading too. Asked if the lockdown would be kept in place if infection figures dropped, Sir Patrick said: “The advice at the moment is vaccines are not going to do the heavy lifting for us at the moment, anywhere near it.

“This is about, I’m afraid, the restrictive measures which we’re all living under and carrying on with those…This is a really difficult, dangerous situation we’re in, and we need to get the numbers down, so I don’t see a release of these measures as being a sensible thing to do in the short term.”

Also, I read somewhere yesterday the the Pfizer vaccine is looking like it does confer immunity – so it’s a proper vaccine after all. If this is true, again, how will the cunts keep the shit-show going. Any ideas what other stunts they could pull? I see in the MSM it’s all about emphasising the dangers to younger people now.

367879 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tenchy, 11, #742 of 1993 🔗

The comfy work from home crowd need to be eviscerated the same way they have done the the working class
There is no other way

367949 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #743 of 1993 🔗

don’t worry when the economy completely collapses there will be a domino effect which takes out absolutely everyone. cold comfort perhaps.

367956 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 8, #744 of 1993 🔗

in the new world that’s coming, your qualifications and experience will count for nothing. the only questions that matter will be ‘have you got any land and do you know how to grow potatoes?’

368021 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #745 of 1993 🔗

The problem is they will be last, and shielded right to the end by the crumbling government
Looking forward to hunting them in the street (in Minecraft)

368124 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #746 of 1993 🔗

Reality will catch up with them. Redundancies and bankruptcies are still coming plus tax increases for pay for our ever growing debt.

And the killer blow for them will be when companies realise they can outsource WFH to places like India and the Philippines.

368224 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #747 of 1993 🔗

I’m not sure it’s fair to lump ‘the comfy WFH crowd’ all as one amorphous blob.

In that number are many people who would far rather be in the office and are being drive mad by e.g. being expected to work while their kids run around the place, or being stuck in a bedsit, developing a spinal disorder as they hunch over a laptop sat on the edge of the bed.

Don’t underestimate the number of people who really do not want to WFH except for the odd day of exceptional circumstances. I reckon it’s about 50%

Also, as a died in the wool sceptic who has been fortunate enough to WFH throughout, I’ve consistently railed against the whole response to COVID, and I’m sure I’m not alone in that.

Far more important than bashing WFHers, it’s the furlough beneficiaries who need to wake up and smell the foetid fruit of the magic money tree IMO.

368291 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to AidanR, #748 of 1993 🔗

I was thinking more of the Guardianista class tbh
They are loving it

368515 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Crystal Decanter, #749 of 1993 🔗

Ah, you mean the public-sector non-job parasites?

I’d rather they didn’t have a job at all, but if they must have one, then at home is the best place for them, rather than clogging up the nation’s transport links with their morbid obesity and vegan halitosis.

368767 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to AidanR, #750 of 1993 🔗

I heard somewhere (BBC?) the loans to mid-sized businesses was going to be 35%. Presumably to destroy another layer.

367947 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Tenchy, 11, #751 of 1993 🔗

And the goalposts just keep on moving. First it was a short, sharp 3-week lockdown; then it was just until summer; then it was until we’re all vaccinated; and now even the vaccine isn’t enough. Will this finally be what tips the public over the edge into mass non-compliance? Many think that once they’ve had their special jab they can go back to normal; they’re in for a rude awakening if what Vallance is saying is true.

368060 ▶▶▶ Hypatia, replying to Poppy, 4, #752 of 1993 🔗

The people I have spoken with are all in favour of the vaccine, believing that it is the route back to “normality”. They 100% are on board as they call it “the light at the end of the tunnel”
Quite how they will feel when they realise it’s not true I really don’t know. I won’t enjoy saying ” I told you so”.

368126 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hypatia, 1, #753 of 1993 🔗

They will be in for a rude shock when they realise they’ve been lied to.

368206 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Hypatia, 3, #754 of 1993 🔗

I will. Very much.

368065 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to Tenchy, 1, #755 of 1993 🔗

A lot of lockdown sceptical comments, and angry comments from people who sound like they were going along with it all previously, below the line. When will the dam burst?

368098 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Dan L, 3, #756 of 1993 🔗

True, I have noticed this on a bedwetter site that I sometimes follow, a lot of them are runners and since there has started to be some MSM hostility towards “heavy breathing joggers” they are all up in arms. I felt like saying “first they came for the pub goers (and I did nothing) then they came for the racegoers (and I did nothing)… then they came for me…”

367877 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 18, #757 of 1993 🔗

I trivial point but the picture at the top of the piece of the chocolate Easter bunnies in masks really grinds my gears. Who on earth likes this sh1t? I’ve seen Christmas baubles with masks, Santas with masks, gingerbread men with masks. Who buys this stuff? Aren’t kids terrorised enough? Doesn’t even seem a good marketing ploy as a lot of people will be put off. I’m sure even the compliant majority don’t actually want there noses rubbed in the new normal everywhere they look?

367943 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #758 of 1993 🔗

yeh and the father christmas with a sackful of coronaviruses

368087 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #759 of 1993 🔗

I hope that at least some of it is being done ironically to point out the idiocy of it all. I may be wrong!

367882 Julian, replying to Julian, 21, #760 of 1993 🔗

COVID-19: ‘Coronavirus vaccines won’t do the heavy lifting’, says Sir Patrick Vallance
Seems like massive news to me

https://news.sky.com/video/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccines-wont-do-the-heavy-lifting-says-sir-patrick-vallance-12193263

If this is their line, we are truly fucked unless we can get this message out to people and stir the masses

367957 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Julian, 7, #761 of 1993 🔗

I don’t know what he means by heavy lifting. Sounds like bullshit bingo. If he means that vaccines aren’t going to work, then what was the point of them and what are the frightened plebs going to do now because they believed the vaccine was the answer?

367973 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to muzzle, 7, #762 of 1993 🔗

It looks to me like an admission that vaccines don’t really work very well

368082 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Julian, 1, #763 of 1993 🔗

Not sure if this has been posted before, but it’s interesting. What’s in name? Presenter makes the point that Moderna literature doesn’t call its product a vaccine, because it’s gene technology.
If it were a vaccine, in the USA (where he is) there would be a waiver of liability because of the state of emergency declared.
Also says that people are unlikely to want to take prophylactic gene modifying chemotherapy.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/AuvhMTMoby41/

367890 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 6, #764 of 1993 🔗

Germany making surgical or ffp2 masks mandatory in public transport.
Plenty of evidence that they do not have nay impact on virus transmission.
So why? Is the mask industry still not making enough money? Did they lobby (corona dictionary – bribe) the politicians?

367895 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Silke David, 1, #765 of 1993 🔗

It’s a heck of a lot worse than that.

367935 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Silke David, 2, #766 of 1993 🔗

The person who dons a face mask proves to their self by that action that the virus is to be feared.

368085 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Silke David, 4, #767 of 1993 🔗

Even a professor rolled out by the BBC World Service this morning said it was madness, and the WHO says these types should be used only in specific medical settings for short periods or else they are actually damaging to health.

368135 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #768 of 1993 🔗

Germany yet again leading the world in ridiculous Coronavirus measures. As far as I understand all the FFP2 masks are only at all effective for single use. This article https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/en/can-you-re-use-ffp2-masks-li.133542 does have suggestions on cleaning but they all sound dangerous and or tedious to me. I suspect the going along with it brigade will just reuse the same old mask making the whole thing worse than worthless.

368319 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Dan L, 2, #769 of 1993 🔗

There are recommendations to “disinfect” ffp2 masks by placing them into an oven at 80C for an hour.

The fire service reported an increase in oven fires.

368141 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Silke David, 3, #770 of 1993 🔗

Well these are the ones worn in hospitals by all staff – they don’t seem to be having much impact given what we are told about staff sickness and in hospital transmission!

367901 John P, replying to John P, 2, #771 of 1993 🔗

It’s interesting to note that there is a feeling among prominent commentators in the media that attacks on lockdown sceptics have increased of late.

My feeling (my opinion) with regard to these threads has always been that most if not all people who post here are genuine sceptics.

There’s one sceptic who, with a very cool head, often takes a lot of flak from the others. Although I disagree with him much of the time, I nevertheless respect him for keeping a cool head. I seem to be incapable of achieving that for any length of time. I’m very sensitive.

The old adage “divide and rule” springs to mind. There are two people here (maybe there’s more, or maybe they are the same person using different aliases) who bear a grudge against me. (I don’t bear grudges myself, so I don’t keep tabs on what they say.)

I actually don’t know the reason for it. They clearly don’t like what I say.

The people here who tend to upset me are those who are always suspicious of others and their motives. The deeply cynical and often cowardly posters here. Generally they post using weird aliases. That in itself is a sign of their paranoia. They are so scared that they dare not use even their first names.

I find it very difficult to communicate with someone when you don’t even know if you’re addressing a man or a woman. (Or a bot!) Goodness knows.

Those who are of a conspiratorial view I have often got quite upset with, but I generally do as I am doing now – I post separate comments and I don’t identify them by name. I do sometimes refer to them collectively as “conspiracy nuts”. Sorry, but that’s my viewpoint!

The great reset may be real, but that is not the issue. The issue is whether or not this whole thing we are living through was planned to usher it in.

I just don’t think it was. But that is just my opinion. Opinions can be wrong!

Those who post on here with great smugness that they were right, when they find what they consider to be a reason why everyone should bow down to their superior intellect (that’s my sacrcasm) particularly upset me.

Because: no-one has all the answers. No-one is right all of the time. And opinions are just that. Opinions. Views. Opinions are not deep truths.

367909 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to John P, 12, #772 of 1993 🔗

The things is John I don’t see the issue if someone is in the conspiracy camp or a government incompetence camp. We are all fighting the same battle to end lockdown and all restrictions. Some of us just have different beliefs as to who is running the show, whilst collectively we all categorically condemn the government and there stooges.

367925 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JHUNTZ, 13, #773 of 1993 🔗

I’m one of the ‘conspiracy’ nuts: I don’t mind the other sort, and even hope they’re right, as it would mean the world is not as bad as I think it is. I don’t claim to know what the conspiracy is, I don’t think anyone has the full picture, although it’s easy enough to ask who has the means and the motivation, and a few suspects spring to mind. But I think I can tell the difference between deliberate lying, gaslighting, manipulation on the one hand and honest bumbling stupidity on the other.

367985 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #774 of 1993 🔗

The point is, even if you believe in all that you are not going to win hearts and minds by going full Icke
Never go full retard as the saying goes
This is a war and optics/tactics matter

367930 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JHUNTZ, 14, #775 of 1993 🔗

What is this incompetence camp people keep referring to? No-one I know thinks that govt actions are merely incompetence. It is cowardice, lust for power, arse-covering, political expediency, and they are conspiring with one another to distort the truth (I am discounting the notion they believe the rubbish they spout)

The difference of opinion is that some of think that govts are acting independently, copying eachother, because of similar pressures, and some think they are following are firmer agenda and taking orders or reacting to pressure from various external parties

367912 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 6, #776 of 1993 🔗

I think it is right we air our differences, but we should also be aware of how our enemies are trying to divide us and remember we are all on the same side

Nice to see you posting again, John P

367924 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, 5, #777 of 1993 🔗

+1 nice to see you posting. I for one like that you often provide a challenging view John.

368308 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #778 of 1993 🔗

Agree.

John P posted late last night about some of the difficulties he has to deal with. I think one of the characteristics of Sceptics is that in large part we genuinely do care about other people – unlike the zealots who in my view all too often like to cover their narcism and even cowardice under the guise of virtue. And Sceptics think for themselves, and it’s a very short step from that to understanding that no one has a monopoly on wisdom.

So if we accept that none of us are always right, that our views must evolve, and that we genuinely do have respect for other people, we should avoid giving John P, or anyone else – especially someone who has been so open about their difficulties as John P has – a hard time.

367927 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John P, 3, #779 of 1993 🔗

John P This is the Internet. It is words on a screen.

367939 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to John P, 10, #780 of 1993 🔗

I’m assuming you were referring to me in your Troll accusations John.

As I said last night you are the the one who rubs people up the wrong way then play the victim card. And true to form you instantly played the victim simply because I pointed it out. I suggested that you consider what you write before you post it to avoid the pushback you find so upsetting.

You then said you were going to bed because it upset you so much and then proceeded to post attacks on imaginary trolls (or most likely myself).

Then this morning you were so upset you reposted the exact same posts from last night both playing a victim and attacking those you claim to have wronged you.

You could have kept the illusion of being a victim but you have shown that you are the main cause of your own problems.

367969 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to John P, 6, #781 of 1993 🔗

If someone suggests that organisations and individuals take advantage of the crisis to further their own interests then I can get on board with that. Might some even find synergies in cooperating? Yes they could. Where someone suggests the whole thing is a con to bring about some great global change then I don’t think that’s possible. I mean the EU 27 can barely cooperate on the vaccine roll out! Fixed ideas about global resets and cabals of politicians and businessesmen are also perspectives that pre-existed the crisis and which people bring with them into this arena… However, if they are so fixed they’re not amenable to rational challenge or they’re not falsifiable then they’re not sceptical. My rules are:

Steel man someone’s argument. Never go for the least generous interpretation to big up your own point.

Treat everyone as if they might know something you don’t.

Resist ad hominem attacks.

Who wants to be wrong for a minute longer than they have to be?

368059 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #782 of 1993 🔗

I like your rules

367977 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 9, #783 of 1993 🔗

You’re absolutely right that divide and rule is at play here. The problem is, we naturally divide ourselves as there are no certain truths in all of this, hence confusion and uncertainty reigns as you also rightly allude to.

That said, many of us have now, based on the available evidence, reached the conclusion that there is an agenda at play, and the “pandemic” is being used as a vehicle to drive that forward. To me at least, it becomes more clear the longer this all goes on. We know that we’ve been lied to, we know the “tests” are junk and are being legally challenged, we know that deaths with 28 days of a test for something does not equal causation, we know that data is being manipulated to impose further restrictions, we know that lockdowns and masks make little difference when we look at experiences around the world, we know that the use of cheap and effective treatments is being blocked, we know that opposing views are being demonised and heavily censored and ultimately we know that the damage to the economy and the physical and mental health of the population being caused is completely disproportionate to the risks of this virus.

So when we consider that we know all of this and a whole load more in addition, it’s very, very hard for me to accept that what is being done to us is a result of incompetence. Oh, I’ve no doubt that we’re seeing that in spades too, but I see that as a secondary effect.

Perhaps you should take a read of this piece posted below that discusses these issues.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/18/why-i-became-a-covid-denier/

That all said, the enemy of my enemy is my friend and I will always welcome your contributions here.

368793 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to leggy, 1, #784 of 1993 🔗

Churchill took it further

“If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.”

368061 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to John P, 7, #785 of 1993 🔗

I really don’t mean to interfere if there’s some sort of feud in play, but this has to be addressed:

‘The people here who tend to upset me are those who are always suspicious of others and their motives. The deeply cynical and often cowardly posters here. Generally they post using weird aliases. That in itself is a sign of their paranoia. They are so scared that they dare not use even their first names.’

That’s simply a non sequitur, my friend. There are a variety of reasons why posters might not wish to use their real name, and it does not follow that the use of ‘weird aliases’ (weird according to whom? You?) necessarily means they are cowardly, paranoid or scared.

And if they *are* paranoid or scared then perhaps it’s for a good reason. Perhaps they work in an atmosphere of lockdown zealotry, and if they were ‘found out’ they’d be harassed, sacked, etc. Who knows? With respect, you’re being extremely casual in making these assumptions.

‘I find it very difficult to communicate with someone when you don’t even know if you’re addressing a man or a woman. (Or a bot!) Goodness knows.’

That’s on you, I’m afraid. Perhaps you have ‘paranoia’ issues of your own. I’m not saying this to be a dick; I’m merely trying to point out that you’re sort of hanging yourself with your own words.

‘Those who are of a conspiratorial view I have often got quite upset with, but I generally do as I am doing now – I post separate comments and I don’t identify them by name. I do sometimes refer to them collectively as “conspiracy nuts”. Sorry, but that’s my viewpoint!’

You’re going to go on to talk about others’ ‘smugness’, but do you think you fare any better with such a condescending and dismissive attitude towards those with whom you disagree?

‘The great reset may be real, but that is not the issue. The issue is whether or not this whole thing we are living through was planned to usher it in.

I just don’t think it was. But that is just my opinion. Opinions can be wrong!’

Indeed, you could be wrong. Is it then wise to call those *who could be right* ‘conspiracy nuts’?

I hope you underatand I’m not attacking you.

All the best, my friend.

368137 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to JohnDanny, 5, #786 of 1993 🔗

I don’t post under my real name because I give information from time to time about real doctors and nurses working for the NHS. If they were to be identified there would likely be consequences. I also give information about my father living in a care home and if he were to be identified I would fear for him. As we know family and friends are not allowed into care homes and haven’t been for over 10 months so no monitory is possible.

I think it is no coincidence that most of the doctors and scientists who have been very outspoken are retired, they don’t risk their jobs, others are more cautious.

368231 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to wendy, #787 of 1993 🔗

Well I use a pretty weak alias (used also in a few other places) and occasionally I get the impression from some comments that some have worked out who I actually am…. That doesn’t really worry me. I am certainly aware of others I know personally who frequent this haven away from MSM, sometimes we just have to accept that we are maybe not quite as anonymous as we would like.

367921 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 8, #788 of 1993 🔗

Major Panic:

The two sources are:

1. 1971 to 2016: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/008520agestandardisedmortalityratesstandardisedusingtheboth2013and1976europeanstandardpopulationsbysexengland1971to2016 [accessed 19 January 2021].

2. 2017 to 2020: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/december2020 [accessed 19 January 2021].

And the dataset itself:

Age-standardised mortality rates standardised using the 2013 European Standard Population, England, 1971 to 2020
Year   Rate per 100,000
1971   1808.43
1972   1865.82
1973   1839.50
1974   1819.81
1975   1792.63
1976   1834.31
1977   1732.02
1978   1735.69
1979   1742.85
1980   1681.99
1981   1657.45
1982   1653.52
1983   1629.35
1984   1573.77
1985   1618.07
1986   1570.50
1987   1508.30
1988   1508.69
1989   1506.01
1990   1456.35
1991   1458.92
1992   1409.00
1993   1445.78
1994   1368.91
1995   1384.47
1996   1365.95
1997   1343.34
1998   1321.88
1999   1312.06
2000   1259.81
2001   1229.33
2002   1225.01
2003   1225.34
2004   1156.56
2005   1137.59
2006   1099.27
2007   1084.54
2008   1085.45
2009   1027.75
2010   1010.97
2011   972.91
2012   981.27
2013   979.08
2014   946.73
2015   986.57
2016   959.79
2017   959.00
2018   956.10
2019   918.60
2020   1037.30 (Provisional)

367950 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #789 of 1993 🔗

great thanks

367922 Rowan, replying to Rowan, 9, #790 of 1993 🔗

Today’s stories and headlines are again simply regurgitated mainstream nonsense.

368072 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Rowan, 4, #791 of 1993 🔗

Nowadays I glance at what’s ATL, see if there are any reports from real scientists or medics and if there aren’t I swiftly move BTL. That’s (mostly) where the real scepticism is to be found. Thanks are, as ever, due to Toby Young for providing the platform (and some good articles from time-to-time) but all the ATL bloggers are far too cautious and pro-experimental-jab. MW

368119 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #792 of 1993 🔗

I suppose if LS website went too far on criticism of vaccines there would be a very big back lash. I’d say they are having to tread a careful line. We below in the comments don’t have to be so careful as we are not producing a publication. But we have been able to find each other because of Toby taking this risk. I think some of us would have gone under had we not had the support of each other here. Thank you to all.

368122 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Rowan, 1, #793 of 1993 🔗

Never read the newspapers. I would have cancelled my subscriptions to the Torygraph and The Times, but my wife likes to read the obituaries. So there you are.

367923 Vir Cotto, replying to Vir Cotto, 53, #794 of 1993 🔗

This is my first post on Lockdown Sceptics. I’ve been reading this site for a few weeks now, and before that I was mainly just reading Off Guardian. I have a been a LS (and even a covid sceptic, at least the mainstream narrative of it) from almost the very beginning. I was in the far east (South Korea) during the outbreak, where I have spent most of my adult life for the past decade. I actually am from the UK, which is where I’m posting from now. I came back to the UK in the summer when it was still possible to fly, as my visa was expiring and I had to eventually leave. I was actually planning to move from Korea but all of that has been put on ice for now. I’m currently stuck living with my parents. TBH at the time I just assumed things would improve since cases and deaths were already bottom lining, so I was looking to return to Korea later in 2020 – though there was a voice in the back of my mind that said it may not happen until 2021, or even later…

So anyway, I started to suspect something wasn’t ‘quite right’ when the virus hit Korea, and don’t get me wrong, Korea did have some measures put in place. A very rigorous ‘test and trace’ system where covid cases were quickly whisked off and isolated by people wearing space suits, businesses and locations that had outbreaks were temporarily closed and hosed down with chemicals. But there was no national lockdowns, no enforced mask wearing (though people just wore them anyway, since masks are ubiquitous over there) and no social distancing. There was measures put in place, but everyone ignored them. Apart from the increased mask usage, no one was doing anything differently. Buses and trains were full, restaurants were full. There was a period of a couple of weeks where places like cinemas and shopping centres were virtually empty, but that quickly subsided. All other services (such as hospitals, dentists etc) continued on as normal.

In the spring, something clicked in my mind – Japan. They did virtually nothing initially, they tested barely anyone. They put no restrictions to speak of in place. Yet Japan was a country frequently visited by Chinese tourists. In fact, both Korea and Japan receive the bulk of their tourism from China, it was thousands to tens of thousands every week. And there was no signal from Japan. There were no bodies piling up, there were no excess deaths, everything seemed to be running fine. People were accusing Japan of being reckless. Yet nothing transpired, and it was at the point I began to question this so called ‘pandemic’ because it contradicted what was being said. Everyone expected Japan to be hit extremely hard, because they did barely anything compared with Korea, and certainly nothing like China.

My journey as a LS began there. I was already following people like Dave Cullen on Youtube, and he too began to question things during his chats with John Waters. At the time I was still sceptical of the scepticism, and it wasn’t until much later that I was fully in the LS camp. There is a channel on Youtube called Journeyman Pictures that featured a number of interviews with prominent Professors/Doctors that discussed coronavirus. Knut Wittkowsky was one I remember from early on, and many others. I also remember the interview with the New York nurse regarding ventilator usage and how they were killing people unnecessarily. It’s been a long road since them, hundreds of hours of research and consumption of interviews, debates etc.

I am actually one of the people not directly impacted by this ‘pandemic’. I am still able to make a living because I am self-employed and work entirely online, and have done for many years. I’m also a bit of an introvert and a nerd, so I don’t really go out as much as most people. But emotionally I am a wreck because of this, and I’m also stuck in limbo unable to move home. My parents are not LS, they are almost fully onboard with the covid narrative. They do question lockdown measures, and think they are a blunt instrument – so there is definitely some scepticism there, and after months of me explaining to them and trying to get through to them on each talking point (lockdowns, masks etc), I am finally starting to make progress with regards to the statistics and the numbers. But they are a far cry from a LS. They’re both getting the vaccine very soon, which may not be a great idea for my dad who has COPD. But whatever, I’ve tried for months and they still see covid as a deadly threat. Who can blame them? They watch the 10pm news every night, read the paper every day. I’ve reached boiling point and sometimes gotten very angry at them, accusing them of being ignorant to the damages being caused. They seem to acknowledge it, and it feels like I’m making progress, only for the following day to be two steps back again – mainly because they just keep consuming the MSM fear-porn, day in day out.

367987 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Vir Cotto, 8, #795 of 1993 🔗

Thanks for your post, very interesting what you said about the Far East. I hope you manage to move some day in the not too distant future.

367997 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Vir Cotto, 3, #796 of 1993 🔗

I know every situation is different, but I managed to move my dad from a house to a warden flat in the summer. I know it would be a bit harder to do now, but the point is, these things are not impossible.

368038 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to muzzle, 3, #797 of 1993 🔗

Yes I am aware of that, but I physically cannot get to my flat due to entry restrictions. It WAS possible to enter the country, but you had to submit to a government quarantine (along with a PCR test on entry, followed by one each week) for 14 days and pay over 1,200 pounds for the privilege of being under house arrest. I’m not willing to fork over that amount when I can perfectly self-isolate at my flat, and I’m not submitting to a PCR test either. So I’ll just have to wait until the rules change or give up and sort it out remotely (if at all possible).

368026 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Vir Cotto, 4, #798 of 1993 🔗

I am in the exact same situation. I make progress but the daily news makes more progress. Particulary, this January enslaught has cause a lot of regression.

368056 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #799 of 1993 🔗

Yeah, I made some progress particularly before the ‘new strain’ narrative and the massive increase in daily cases/deaths. Of course, I’ve since managed to get through to them that the second wave is clearly NO where near as deadly by simply measuring all-cause mortality, and that we’re likely looking at a casedemic right now as a result of mass testing. My dad sort of gets it as he has friends in the online COPD groups with similar views, but my mum is still full on panic merchant unfortunately.

368180 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Vir Cotto, 1, #800 of 1993 🔗

Welcome. It’s really good to meet another one of us.

368194 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Vir Cotto, 1, #801 of 1993 🔗

welcome to the dark side! I am too am depressed and frightened – but not of a stupid fake virus

368819 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #802 of 1993 🔗

Yes. I’m very scared of what the “government” is doing. I’ll take my chances with the virus (Fresh air, exercise, C, D3, Zinc + ionophore.)

367933 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 13, #803 of 1993 🔗

A bit unrelated, just got a text from my mobile provider warning me that HMRC have kindly added VAT to early contract cancellation charges.

That’s nice for people struggling to pay their bills (because they’ve been forced out of work) who may decide to cancel a phone contract because they can no longer afford it.

What a luxury. So much value added

368024 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #804 of 1993 🔗

At least your passport is blue now.

367936 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 3, #805 of 1993 🔗

If this could go viral we might see some changes:

https://youtu.be/etekvGN4R_g

367948 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Ross Hendry, 4, #806 of 1993 🔗

It’s utterly frightening how close to now that is! Sadly it seems most people would be on the side of the enforcers

368015 ▶▶ mj, replying to Ross Hendry, 1, #807 of 1993 🔗

And note just in case you dont read the comments, there is a link to the full movie in one of the comments – unfortunately not subtitled

368128 ▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to mj, #808 of 1993 🔗

Subtitles are available for full movie at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etekvGN4R_g

[You have to go to settings, click on subtitles, then on German (autogenerated) then on Autotranslate then on English]

368138 ▶▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, #809 of 1993 🔗

NB. Click on “German (autogenerated)” when it appears a second time.

367938 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 22, #810 of 1993 🔗

I wonder if I could relate a good news story.

For the last year my mother in law has been living with us as she was unable to look after herself. She will be 90 next month. Her medical history in the last few years is not good. There have been two heart attacks, a mini stroke, a few falls which have resulted in a broken arm and a broken hip and nine months ago she was diagnosed with dementia.

Before Christmas she had another fall and was taken into hospital as the paramedics thought she had broken a rib. An X-ray showed that no ribs were broken but that she had a compression fracture in her back so was kept in. After 10 days the inevitable happened and we were informed that she had come into contact with Covid (in a non-Covid ward?) and had tested positive. This was just before she was due to be transferred to a smaller hospital for rehab.

So she was moved into a Covid ward and was there for two weeks. We couldn’t see her of course, but we were told that her symptoms were mild and Mrs B was able to speak to her by phone on a few occasions. When the 14 days were up she was moved for rehab (there was no re-test) and she finally got home yesterday having been away for nearly six weeks. She’s very glad to be back and has just been opening her Christmas presents!

I only know of one other person who has had Covid. He caught it in the same hospital and has also recovered.

367970 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Biggles, 6, #811 of 1993 🔗

That’s a sad but lovely ending about opening her Christmas presents.

I can add that in my circle of mostly NHS workers I know of very few infections. Those I do know of are friends of friends who work in hospitals. The only deaths I know of are of two very frail, sick and seen as very unlikely to get better people in their 90s who were admitted to hospital without COVID, tested positive in the week COVID testing of all in patients. These 2 frail people did die but without respiratory symptoms. But they are with covid deaths and add to the numbers.

That I know of very few people with infections in a large circle of nhs friends who live in inner city areas does seem odd to me.

368176 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to wendy, 2, #812 of 1993 🔗

I know quite a lot of people who’ve had the so-called covid [ie, been so diagnosed by some medic, for whatever that’s worth nowadays] – v few of them in the UK, most in either the USA or Belarus. if my view of what it was were to come solely from that personal knowledge, I would have it marked down as flu – which is in fact basically what i think: it is indistinguishable from the usual range of seasonal respiratory illnesses, which are no doubt caused by a variety of different pathogens. the word ‘covid’ is in my opinion a totally unnecessary addition to the lexicon.

368849 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JaneHarry, #813 of 1993 🔗

Relevant here: Dolores Cahill sequencing of PCR ‘covid’ material found only flu A and B.

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10157319192205981&set=a.10150971697430981

367971 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Biggles, 5, #814 of 1993 🔗

That’s wonderful news she is home and recovering well. I know of a neighbour in her 90s who went in to hospital with a broken hip, tested positive a week later, very mild symptoms and now home fully recovered, thankfully managed to get hip op in time
The vast majority of people I know who tested positive have caught it in hospitals.

367942 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 34, #815 of 1993 🔗

Just spotted this on Al-j-beeba:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55730459

“Lockdown: Police officers fined £200 for cafe meeting”
This is presumably in response to the video footage posted a week or so ago?

My day is immeasurably better for reading that.

367952 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #816 of 1993 🔗

Alex Belfied on YouTube has a photo of 3 police estate cars parked outside, presumably, the cafe.

367991 ▶▶ leggy, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #817 of 1993 🔗

Hahahhahahahhahhaha!

That’s better.

368214 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #818 of 1993 🔗

As is mine 🙂

367954 Squire Western, replying to Squire Western, 3, #819 of 1993 🔗

‘Worth reading in full’

Not something usually appended to an article by Peston!

367965 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Squire Western, 5, #820 of 1993 🔗

I have a blind spot with him. I’d only read anything he wrote to understand what the enemy are thinking, or if I knew he had a damascene conversion

368036 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Squire Western, 6, #821 of 1993 🔗

Worth deleting in full

367960 Still Got It, replying to Still Got It, 79, #822 of 1993 🔗

Ok so second go at posting. I sit in the kitchen for 8 hours a day managing home schooling and trying to work so may not post very often. Was sceptical even before first Lockdown – said weren’t we just rebranding the flu? Family all absolutely sceptical which is a blessing. Friends, no.

Never wear a mask and had my first run in last week with a random who decided to challenge me. Been on three protests – I’m not the type at all but felt compelled.

Been reading LS since April – site, the commentary and the links. I cannot stress enough what a lifeline this has been.

367964 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Still Got It, 20, #823 of 1993 🔗

Thanks for posting. I would go a little insane if this site did not exist. Fellow sceptics are easing this lunacy in the world.

368032 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Still Got It, 7, #824 of 1993 🔗

I think that makes you a Model Sceptic.

368411 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Still Got It, 2, #825 of 1993 🔗

Yes, I was also sceptical before the March lockdown, largely because I could see through the BS and was worried about where it would go; how would governments dig themselves out of the hole? Most of what I had aniticipated has happened.

I’m also lucky that close family members and a few friends are on my wavelength, but most acquaintances and many friends are lost. I don’t work too hard on them and don’t plan to attempt any resurrection of those relationships in the future. I agree that this site has been a lifeline.

Sorry to hear about the home schooling and the work. Best of luck keeping things on track.

367961 chaos, 6, #826 of 1993 🔗

Boris in parliament today..  build back better   tackle climate change.. blah blah..   great reset….

367966 alw, 10, #827 of 1993 🔗
367967 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 41, #828 of 1993 🔗

As it’s nearly Friday here is a quiz:-

Which Covvi group are you in? Answer and add up your score at the end!

Q1) How often do you leave the house?

1 – Never
2 – Once a day for exercise
3 – Just for work, shopping and exercise
4 – When I want to

Q2) How close to other people do you get when you leave the house?

1 – I never leave the house
2 – 2m even if I have to step out into busy traffic
3 – I stand on the marked lines in queues and follow the one way systems
4 – Same as I did in 2019

Q3) When should restrictions end?

1 – When everyone has had the jab
2 – When other people have had the jab
3 – When the Government say so
4 – Now

Q4) Where would you emigrate too if you could?

1 – I couldn’t leave the house
2 – New Zealand
3 – Never thought about it
4 – Sweden/Florida

Q5) What would you like to do to Matt Hancock?

1 – Deify him
2 – Glorify him
3 – Who he?
4 – Vilify him

Q6) What do you feel when you pass a house with a rainbow in its window?

1 – I never leave the house
2 – Our one is better
3 – Good to stick up for Our NHS
4 – Revulsion

Q7) What did you do on Thursdays at 8pm last Spring?

1 – I clapped quietly indoors
2 – I clapped loudly outdoors
3 – Heard some clapping, might have joined in a couple of times
4 – Didn’t clap

Q8) Where would you be in the vaccination queue?

1 – First
2 – As far up it as my elbows will get me
3 – When the Government tell me
4 – I won’t be in the queue

Q9) If you woke up with the sniffles you would…

1 – Call 999
2 – Call 111
3 – Go for a Covid Test
4 – Carry an extra hankie

Q10) Do you wear a mask when shopping?

1 – The delivery man does
2 – Always
3 – Well we have to don’t we
4 – Never

Q11) Lockdown Sceptics are…

1 – Mad
2 – Evil
3 – Ignorant
4 – Sane

Q12) SAGE are…

1 – our saviours
2 – our most eminent scientists
3 – doing their best for us
4 – agenda-driven group thinkers who should be fired immediately

Q13) How many people will die of Covid worldwide?

1 – Billions
2 – Millions
3 – No idea
4 – Thousands

Q14) How many people will die of lockdowns worldwide?

1 – They’re all Covid deaths
2 – It’s for the greater good
3 – No idea
4 – Millions

Q15) How would you end this crisis?

1 – Vaccinate everybody
2 – Vaccinate everybody else
3 – Above my paygrade sorry
4 – Stop testing, disband SAGE, look at data not models

Q16) When you see another person you think of them as…

1 – I never see anyone anymore
2 – a biohazard
3 – a person but keep a bit of a distance just in case
4 – a person

15 – 20 – you are a Covidian! You believe it all religiously and are too afraid of death to live. Your prize is a glass of Kool-Aid. Don’t forget to quarantine it for 72 hours and sanitize the rim before drinking.

21 – 40 – you are a Pseudo-Covidian! You believe it all but still partake in life when it suits you. You love the drama of it all and the opportunity to rant and rail at others not following every arbitrary rule. Your reward is a facsimile of a suicide note from a young person or a business owner. Read it and don’t weep – your tears are as false and meaningless as a crocodile’s.

41 – 63 – you are a Follower! You question little, mostly believe the propaganda, are happy to go along with the rules issues by your “betters.” Your reward is a sheepskin mask. Keep sucking it up!

64 – you are a Lockdown Sceptic! You have looked rationally at the data, question the propaganda, put life above death, realize the economy IS life not just figures on a balance sheet. Your reward is to be treated like a cockroach by the other three groups. Remember though what creature always survives a war even when it goes nuclear. (and Keith Richard.)

367983 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 12, #829 of 1993 🔗

Sorry I got more points than listed as I’d do more to Hancock than vilify him, so added extra points.

368002 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #830 of 1993 🔗

I did almost write “liquify him” lol

368034 ▶▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #831 of 1993 🔗

The Romans knew that crucification was a very nasty and slow form of execution (slow suffocation with agonising pain), it was so nasty no Roman citizen could be crucified. I could happily see Hancock and co crucified.

368076 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #832 of 1993 🔗

Injected with multiple doses of all the vaccines

368077 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Smelly Melly, #833 of 1993 🔗

It’s probably even more unpleasant in a mask.

368143 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #834 of 1993 🔗

Disembowelment, I think.

368191 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Waldorf, 1, #835 of 1993 🔗

Yes, this sounds good!

368095 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #836 of 1993 🔗

I wanted to sell him into slavery.

368133 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Stephanos, 1, #837 of 1993 🔗

bring out the Gimp

368159 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to vargas99, #838 of 1993 🔗

Which one’s the gimp? Is it the one with the mask? Like lots of people?

367984 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #839 of 1993 🔗

Brilliant!! Copy/pasting and circulating with your permission?

367999 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #840 of 1993 🔗

You’re welcome!

367986 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 8, #841 of 1993 🔗

I like it. Are we going to have to set up our own lockdown sceptic communities where we can live in harmony with each other? I can’t live with any of the other lot!

368011 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #842 of 1993 🔗

That is 10/10 there is far too many people in camp 3.

368162 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #843 of 1993 🔗

Thank you, Professor, a most inspiriting quiz on a gloomy day.

368170 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #844 of 1993 🔗

I scored 58. Some of my answers reflected Greek conditions – wearing a mask outdoors is compulsory or as near as damn it to it, and certainly they have to be worn in shops. The government “loosened up” a few days ago but all that meant was some businesses were allowed to reopen.

368250 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Waldorf, 1, #845 of 1993 🔗

That’s close enough for government work! Above 55 is good really 🙂

367968 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 7, #846 of 1993 🔗

“The Balearic government has asked passengers on public transport to make their journeys in silence . Not speaking on buses, trains and the Metro is one of the government’s public transport recommendations for combating the spread of the virus. Others are paying with the intermodal card or a bank card and planning journeys so as to avoid times when transport is at its busiest.
The maximum capacities are being reduced from Wednesday (January 13). On trains and the Metro, standing can only be in places that are marked for this. For the rush hours, the government will be reinforcing the Palma-Inca train route with an express bus service.

The capacity limits are in addition to measures already adopted, such as the obligatory wearing of masks, social distancing, the use of sanitiser gel, and not eating or drinking.”

https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/local/2021/01/13/77431/mallorca-public-transport-passengers-asked-silent.html

367988 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to rockoman, 5, #847 of 1993 🔗
  • All to stop wreckers and diversionists questioning the narrative. “While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no State.”
368023 ▶▶ Annie, replying to rockoman, 5, #848 of 1993 🔗

‘Silent’ and ‘Spanish’ are not words that go readily together in my mind

368051 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to rockoman, 1, #849 of 1993 🔗

Nearly there…

368125 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #850 of 1993 🔗

I would have thought we would be cracking open each other’s skulls and feasting on the goo inside long before Tier 74.

368132 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Fiona Walker, #851 of 1993 🔗

Excellent

367974 chaos, replying to chaos, #852 of 1993 🔗

strange how this site has become very slow…

368005 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to chaos, 3, #853 of 1993 🔗

I thought it might be because there are more people posting at the same time.

367975 alw, replying to alw, 7, #854 of 1993 🔗

As posted previously the 99-year-old pleasantly demented mother-in-law went for her jab on Friday. The doctor administering the vaccination said she had to have both doses at the same time which she did. Has anyone else come across this?

Happily she’s still very much alive and kicking.

367992 ▶▶ Squire Western, replying to alw, 1, #855 of 1993 🔗

She’s a tough old bird!

368003 ▶▶ Suey, replying to alw, 7, #856 of 1993 🔗

I don’t believe this. Apart from anything else, it goes against the recommendations from the manufacturer. Anything happens to MIL, that doctor’s for it.

368030 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Suey, #857 of 1993 🔗

Perfectly true I’m afraid to say.

368027 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to alw, #858 of 1993 🔗

Nope! Will the quack get double indemnity for that?

368101 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to alw, 1, #859 of 1993 🔗

I sincerely hope it will not have any adverse effects.
You should challenge this with the doctor, or the surgery.
There is absolutely no benefit to her receiving a double dose in one go.

368154 ▶▶ leggy, replying to alw, 2, #860 of 1993 🔗

What?! How can that possibly be sanctioned?

367976 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 35, #861 of 1993 🔗

Re the onslaught on sceptics, forget the hardcore lockdownistas, they’ll be shadow boxing this until they’re proved right (37th of Neverember). The quiet majority will be voting with their actions soon, many already are.
Ignore screaming media – they have form. remember Brexit, how we were told we wanted a People’s Vote, the massive media onslaught? The majority kept quiet, kept their head down and defied all the narrative and all the polls and voted to Get Brexit Done. I only use that to illustrate the most recent example of where the elite can control the narrative, control the media to shout the loudest and drown out opposition but ultimately get their comeuppance.
And so it goes. This too will pass.

368016 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Andrea Salford, 7, #862 of 1993 🔗

It’s not as if zealots have or are ever in danger of landing a knockout blow. The more they fight us, the better imho.

368039 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #863 of 1993 🔗

No publicity is bad publicity.

368088 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #864 of 1993 🔗

I think it was Gandhi who said, ‘First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.’

368178 ▶▶▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Stephanos, 2, #865 of 1993 🔗

They would have done better to ignore us than draw attention to us. Fools.

368192 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Kyle Reese, #866 of 1993 🔗

Yes, but they may think they need scapegoats for obviously failed policies and they are not volunteering themselves…

368054 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Andrea Salford, #867 of 1993 🔗

”Elite”? Anything less ”elite” would be hard to imagine.

368069 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Banjones, #868 of 1993 🔗

Well yes I use the term lightly and by it’s ‘greedy virtue signalling narcissists’ definition.

368869 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Banjones, #869 of 1993 🔗

Yes, the term ‘elite’ as applied to gangs of thugs that far too many obey o worship, has always grated on me. They are only pathetic, self-styled ‘Elites’. Effete?

368067 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #870 of 1993 🔗

Remember to stick it to the Covidian state every day
No matter how small
And smile when doing it

368080 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #871 of 1993 🔗

Indeed. When they think they have taken everything that makes us free, they still won’t have scratched the surface of what keeps us strong. Integrity.

368181 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #872 of 1993 🔗

Integrity is very important, and I think we all value it in ourselves and others. Our differences (whether we are people of faith, or libertarians, or humanists) don’t matter so much.

368136 ▶▶ Clancloch, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #873 of 1993 🔗

Although in fact the reality was that 90% of the print media were massively pro Brexit, even the Guardian was on the fence and papers like the Express and Sun printed reams of nonsense about the EU for years.Which partly explains how readily people lap up MSM propaganda now. They have been conditioned to it for years. And the reality now is that the Get Brexit Done vote elected this utter incompetent clown as PM in spite of all the evidence to the contrary from his previous exploits too numerous to mention.
This is not a left /right issue at all, most of my Tory voting friends, largely older age group and rural, 75% Brexit voters, are very supportive of lockdown. In fact two want it much stricter with military on the streets etc. Conversely some younger friends of mine, largely city based, who some observers would say were ‘Woke’ are very anti lockdown. One in fact has been involved on the ground in humanitarian disaster relief, real tragedy, and finds the media hysteria about this relatively mild respiratory virus astonishing.

367979 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #874 of 1993 🔗

Davos Boris Bunter and his Davos Dad and Davos girlfriend are still PM. How?

367989 ▶▶ Squire Western, replying to chaos, 15, #875 of 1993 🔗

Politicians the world over are watching each other and keeping in step so as to avoid the risk of being criticised by the media for under-reacting. That is the whole plan, nothing more complicated at all. It’s a game of political survival under the pretence of ‘following the science’.

368000 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Squire Western, 5, #876 of 1993 🔗

build back better.. climate change.. waffle waffle..

368017 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Squire Western, 2, #877 of 1993 🔗

Dead right there, Squire.

368018 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Squire Western, 1, #878 of 1993 🔗

An interesting thought – thanks for that. Appreciated.

368049 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Squire Western, 1, #879 of 1993 🔗

And no less wicked for that.

367993 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 61, #880 of 1993 🔗

I would say 90% of the people I speak to are exhibiting signs of mild or serious depression. It must be the same everywhere. This is your true legacy Boris, Matt & Whitty. I hope it was worth it, but we all know the answer to that.

367998 ▶▶ John P, replying to Achilles, 5, #881 of 1993 🔗

Agreed.

368004 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Achilles, 19, #882 of 1993 🔗

Yes even those who I would thought would never be affected by depression or poor mental health, are really beginning to suffer.

368242 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #883 of 1993 🔗

Have recently noticed several retired professional friends exhibiting what appear to be symptoms of dementia. Some display quite alarming symptoms where their cognitive functions are considerably impaired to the point where I have no idea how to relate to them anymore, let alone respond to their illogical, confused or contradictory communications. Either that or the continuous propaganda, re-conditioning psychological practices of the government and media and the altered behaviours of the majority of the population are having strange and disturbing effects on their psyches.

368895 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #884 of 1993 🔗

All those stumbling into the pit of depression should be directed to this site where would find the perpetrators of the lies and other garbage that is causing their problems are ridiculed. If they are depressed, then they would find that the blame lies at the frozen heart of this treacherous ‘government’.

368014 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Achilles, 2, #885 of 1993 🔗

Meanwhile in Rio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK9ayejuEYo

I like the Brazilian variant.

368045 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Achilles, 3, #886 of 1993 🔗

I wonder where they’ll all end up when they leave their present sinecures. It’d be worth keeping an eye on them to see how they’re going to spend all that lovely hard-earned money (much of it from the public purse, of course).

368106 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Banjones, 1, #887 of 1993 🔗

oh, they’ll have been offered handsome rewards for their parts played well. the problem is their masters are not trustworthy individuals, and will just as soon throw them under the bus if it appears expedient to do so: ‘when you sup with the devil, you sup with a long spoon’

368050 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 6, #888 of 1993 🔗

Many are in denial

We need them to come out of that denial and get really sad then get angry

368062 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, 1, #889 of 1993 🔗

It’s coming.

368179 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Achilles, 7, #890 of 1993 🔗

As someone who’s always been acquainted with the black dog, it’s tempting to find sly satisfaction in seeing all these irritating, glass-half-full bastards being brought low.

As for the people who have spent their lives demanding ‘more government’ as the answer to every problem, and are now having their lives and livings ruined. Well, there isn’t even a German word for the grim satisfaction that has to offer.

But these are probably not the most popular thing I’ll ever confess 🙂

368267 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to AidanR, 1, #891 of 1993 🔗

Schadenfreude?

368293 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #892 of 1993 🔗

Raise that to the power of Weltschmerz, then multiply by Geschsmacksverirrung

368599 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to AidanR, 1, #893 of 1993 🔗

Ah! The penny drops. 🙂

369163 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to AidanR, #894 of 1993 🔗

Times Schlimmbesserung squared.

367994 John P, replying to John P, 27, #895 of 1993 🔗

Something we can probably all agree on: Neil O’Brien, MP is a nasty piece of work. From twitter:

“Another top covid-sceptic, Dr Clare Craig, has deleted all her tweets from last year. Unfortunately for her attempts to cover her tracks… Google cached them, so we can take a look at how she’s used her professional qualifications to spread dangerous disinformation.”

O’Brien uses his position and his platform as an MP to in my view do exactly what he accuses lockdown sceptics of : spread disinformation. He is smearing a decent professional woman who is doing a fine job of trying to make sense of the figures.

My opinion in this case is that O’Brien is probably playing a cynical game here. I don’t think he is genuine. I could be wrong, but his prominent political position to me suggests otherwise.

368007 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John P, 4, #896 of 1993 🔗

Troubled guy. Needs to concentrate on his day job.

368081 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #897 of 1993 🔗

He IS concentrating on his day job. Remember who O’Brien was is Orwell’s 1984?

368008 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to John P, 4, #898 of 1993 🔗

Sounds like he’s compensating for something!

368012 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to muzzle, 9, #899 of 1993 🔗

Doubtless Google caches his hate speeches, too. Useful evidence for Nuremberg 2.

368022 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to John P, 24, #901 of 1993 🔗

He is a really nasty guy with an agenda.

I mean, if we go back and analyse the predictions and proclaimations of Whitty and Vallance we could equally say that they are guilty of using their professional qualifications to spread dangerous ‘disinformation’. The difference is that their information is always taken as gospel even after it is proved to be incorrect.

368041 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #902 of 1993 🔗

But remember what Wittery said in May:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be

I can’t recall that he ever retracted that specifically. If he’s said that now, he’d have been ”cancelled”.

368070 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Banjones, 3, #903 of 1993 🔗

Good point. The truth is just whatever the government says it is now. The authoritative sources are whoever the government says they are. Ridiculous.

368033 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John P, 2, #904 of 1993 🔗

He’s been added to my list. No 9.

368063 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to John P, 1, #905 of 1993 🔗

he’s the up-and-coming Lavrenti Beria. you’ll see, at some point Pratt Hancock will be thrown under the bus by his overlords, -it’ll be fun to watch, I know, but with a horrible sting in its tail:- to be replaced by something from an even deeper circle of hell

368232 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #906 of 1993 🔗

It didn’t end well for Beria.

368273 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Jo Starlin, #907 of 1993 🔗

Eventually, he had a good run of 30+ years from his start on the Baku Polytechnic Petroleum Engineering course.

368086 ▶▶ wendy, replying to John P, 6, #908 of 1993 🔗

So on the one hand we are told we LS are having no effect at all on compliance and enforced measures and we are told we are a tiny minority with no one listening. And on the other we are being blamed for making people not comply and for causing the infections to go up! We can’t be both can we?

What I see going on here is the government making a scapegoat, some one will have to be blamed because the lockdown policy has not worked. We keep raising our hands and saying it isn’t working and it is damaging in so many ways. It appears to me they would like to shut up the dissenting voices and blame the dissenters at the same time. Someone must take the blame so it might as well be us!

368229 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to wendy, 2, #909 of 1993 🔗

“We can’t be both”.
That’s right, but logic goes out the window during witch-hunts.

368116 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to John P, 6, #910 of 1993 🔗

A complaint to the parliamentary standards ombudsman would probably be a worthwhile pursuit, however long it takes to work its way through the system. Obvs all of his inflammatory tweets (plus FB & Insta as applicable) should be attached to the complaint.

Remember how they treat us, and how they set up the justice system in such a way that the process is the punishment.

Find (legal) ways to make this man’s life a living hell.

368001 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 10, #911 of 1993 🔗

On the subject of Age Standardised Mortality (ASM), that is taking out the affect of population growth and aging to give genuinely comparable mortality rates, here is a plot I did for England of monthly ASM data points (based on ONS data).

You can see that there was a pandemic in April 2020 for sure, but we are now at completely normal mortality rates. In fact the ASM for December 2020 is less than the pre-pandemic month of January 2020, and less than the winter peaks for 2017/2018, 2016/2017, and 2014/2015 for example.

So this talk of a second wave being worse than the April wave is complete nonsense when you look at the real data.

368066 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #912 of 1993 🔗

I would delay calling it a pandemic in April. There is a spike but attributing that to a virus is jumping the gun. You always need to make sure you are measuring what you think you are measuring and that means investigating and eliminating other factors.

368109 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to mhcp, 1, #913 of 1993 🔗

So what possible explanation do you have for the spike in April then? And what should we be measuring, investigating and eliminating?

For the avoidance of doubt I believe lockdown had no material affect on the April spike, we would have had the same spike with or without lockdown. Although some of the deaths may have been prevented if covid+ hospital patients hadn’t been discharged into care homes, and if every vulnerable person had been advised to take a decent sized vitamin D supplement.

368120 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #914 of 1993 🔗

Lockdowning the care homes and decanting NHS patients into the care homes clearly resulted in many care home residents dying.

368130 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #915 of 1993 🔗

And almost certainly not all down to covid-19, since those imprisoned were denied all medical care, regardless of presenting symptoms and need, but nonetheless recorded as having died from Covid. In any other year, if you denied medical treatment to this vulnerable cohort, deaths would surely be much higher.

368165 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #916 of 1993 🔗

They weren’t only denied access to medical care, they were denied access to their family (an essential source of support and oversight of their care), they were denied access to other residents, they were denied access to the outdoors. They suffered from isolation and loneness: and these alone have the potential to kill, especially for the old and vulnerable.

The care home deaths were entirely predictable.

368299 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #917 of 1993 🔗

My Gran 90 died last august after being deprived of seeing her family since March. She went down hill so fast and all she wanted was to see her great grandchildren. I will forever say that lockdown killed her and that had she been able to see her family she would be alive today.

368520 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Freecumbria, #918 of 1993 🔗

See the graph for an answer to that

368551 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to jos, 1, #919 of 1993 🔗

What does PM2.5 mean.? Is it a particular partle size? What causes it?

368518 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to mhcp, #920 of 1993 🔗

Such as the corresponding massive spike in pm2.5 microparticle pollution in the south of England which was ignored at the time and has been pretty much ignored since but I’m keeping the data for the day that someone acknowledges the connection

368010 reason, replying to reason, 25, #921 of 1993 🔗

Vallance has been gobbing off again this morning. The Telegraph is reporting it but don’t read it unless you are confident about your blood pressure. What an absolute tool.

368025 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to reason, 6, #922 of 1993 🔗

No doubt he’s pleased as punch watching the value of his pharma shares rising. As are many of them in SAG (see Zoe Harcombe’s rundown on vested interests in the Group).
https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/

368019 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 47, #923 of 1993 🔗

Vallance: “There are people who perpetually argue against lockdown…It’s worth remembering the definition of insanity – doing the same thing again with the same outcome. Every time you loosen too quickly you get an upswing.”

First point – that fucking fake Einstein quote needs to die.

Second point – who is doing the same thing and expecting a different result? Lockdown sceptics aren’t DOING anything, we’re arguing and protesting. It’s the bloody government that’s constantly rehashing the same failed shit.

Here’s a BETTER quote to level at the lockdown zealots: “As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.” Proverbs, 26:11.

368035 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 34, #924 of 1993 🔗

“Go fuck yourself Patrick, you horrible cunt”
-Tom Blackburn

368037 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #925 of 1993 🔗

What you put in quotes – he didn’t actually say that …. did he? Tell me it’s a joke, please.

368052 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tenchy, 2, #926 of 1993 🔗

It is being widely quoted. I don’t have it coming out of the actual moron horse’s stupid mouth.

368112 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tenchy, 1, #927 of 1993 🔗

It was on Sky News. He was answering viewers’ questions.

368048 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #928 of 1993 🔗

Whoa. Som Tam for tea? 🙂

368071 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Kyle Reese, 3, #929 of 1993 🔗

Nothing wrong with a bit of fire in the belly. I do like my bird’s eye chillis.

Useless Information of the day: the name “bird’s eye chilli” is a prim invention. The Thai is prik khee nuu, which means “mouse shit chilli”. Which is, after all, what they look like.

368166 ▶▶▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #930 of 1993 🔗

What a fabulous factoid, thanks for that! And keep munching those chillies, I like a well stoked fire.

368068 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #931 of 1993 🔗

For a man of science he sure ignores the control groups e.g. Sweden

368107 ▶▶ Will, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #932 of 1993 🔗

Vallance March 12th 2020.”

If you completely locked down absolutely everything, probably for a period of four months or more then you would suppress this virus,” he told Sky News.

“All of the evidence from previous epidemics suggests that when you do that and then you release it, it all comes back again.
“The other part of this is to make sure that we don’t end up with a sudden peak again in the winter which is even larger which causes even more problems.

“So we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely which you can’t do anyway, not suppress it so we get the second peak and also allow enough of us who are going to get mild illness to become immune to this to help with the whole population response which would protect everybody.”

368111 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Will, 4, #933 of 1993 🔗

“If you completely locked down absolutely everything, probably for a period of four months or more then you would suppress this virus kill off virtually the entire population ,” he told Sky News.

368110 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #934 of 1993 🔗

Why do people make stuff up and then assert some famous person said it?
Why do other people just repeat it as though it were fact?

These are serious questions.

The ease with which people make stuff up and pretend it is fact has real world consequences: just look at the “facts” we have been fed about the virus.

And the ease with which other people repeat such made up “facts” has also fed into the coronavirus fear-mongering and hysteria. Daily the corporate media have regurgitated the falsehoods pushed by Valance and Whitty and the rest as though they were unquestionable facts.

368265 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #935 of 1993 🔗

I am in blood
Stepp’d in so far that, should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious as go o’er.

368020 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #936 of 1993 🔗

Arrested for Hugging! – YouTube

Herein lies the problem. From 2 minute odds you hear the depths of the publics opinion.

“emm, not sure, maybe, dunno, look shiftily to friend peer, no definetely bad, i mean virus, well tough questions actually, not sure, dunno”

368177 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, #937 of 1993 🔗

Why I Became A Covid Marshall
https://youtu.be/-4xGvVCbU9c

368028 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 1, #938 of 1993 🔗

Anyone know if there’s a chance of Parler ever coming back?

368029 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mattghg, 2, #939 of 1993 🔗

Allegedly rebuilding their server.

368055 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mattghg, 4, #940 of 1993 🔗

Parler is a honeypot
Don’t use any website that requires your phone number ( or at least use a burner phone)

368113 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Crystal Decanter, #941 of 1993 🔗

That would include Telegram…

368144 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mattghg, #942 of 1993 🔗

Nice try – Telegram isn’t a website
Also TG have track record of not handing over user details

368746 ▶▶ dpj, replying to mattghg, #943 of 1993 🔗

There is some news on site Parler Status Updates

368031 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 20, #944 of 1993 🔗

Why are zealots exhibiting so much angst around the speed of vaccine roll out when we are already cradled in the safe bosom of lockdown?

368058 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #945 of 1993 🔗

They’re overstimulated.

368215 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #946 of 1993 🔗

And when they should surely know by now that the so-called vaccine won’t make any noticeable difference anyway.

368042 alw, replying to alw, 21, #947 of 1993 🔗

“Travel news latest: Saga Holidays to refuse travellers who haven’t been vaccinated.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/20/travel-news-covid-restrictions-ban-corridors-tests-uk-holidays/

What is the point when the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission. Anyway who would want to go on a holiday and spend time with people wearing masks? Can we expect this to come before the Courts?

368046 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to alw, 4, #948 of 1993 🔗

Hopefully, soon.

368047 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to alw, 23, #949 of 1993 🔗

They aren’t even going to have any travellers. Half of their target market are even too afraid to go and see their grandkids, and half of the places they might take people to are closed to visitors. They need to get real.

368306 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), replying to alw, 9, #950 of 1993 🔗

And what about those that cannot have the vaccine for reasons such as previous allergic reactions? Disgraceful from Saga and I shall boycott selling their holidays.

Just fired this off to them and will post their reply:

I have just had a client call in distress as she has been advised to not have any of the current Covid19 vaccinations available due to extreme allergic reactions previously. She saw a recent article in the Telegraph.

 She is a regular client and wants to travel again in the future but is afraid that she will be discriminated against and will not be permitted to travel with you again. Can you please clarify the policy in full and explain why she would not be permitted to travel if all others (or the vast majority) had received vaccination?

368064 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 32, #951 of 1993 🔗

Beautiful letter by the student in lockdown.

These sick people in government are destroying the lives of our young people, and even the older amongst us.

My father is 96 and his chance of dying is 28.7% in a normal year. around 30% last year, with the difference pretty much all made up in April. So he had a 1 in 70 chance of dying from COVID, but he lost a year because of that. He’s one of the lucky ones – for my youngest kid they’ve destroyed a year for him and he had a severe risk of around 1 in 2,000,000.

We were told 1610 died of COVID yesterday. Well on a weekly basis that’s 11,270. OK it’s a Tuesday and figures are worse. Let’s say it was half that or 5,635 – but excess deaths (after adjusting for bank holiday discrepancies) are around 500-1,000 per week. These headline figures are clearly meaningless. Does anybody even think about what is going on. The numbers are clearly indicative of absolutely nothing. How many people have died within 28 days of having a common cold ? Or a COVID vaccine ? Or a birthday (around 40,000 per year – getting older is dangerous !)

Are the government completely stupid ? Are the BBC and the ridiculous ‘More or Less’ programme which has become a demonstration of how to lie with statistics ?

Are we living in 1984 and the death stats are meaningless reports on the never ending war between Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia ?

368089 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Laurence, 10, #952 of 1993 🔗

My wife told me that the 28 day thing is often used as a reliability metric for procedures. So if someone has complications they can trace it back to a procedure to either eliminate it or investigate it.

That’s a different thing than saying someone dying of heart failure was because it was Covid just because an UNVERIFIED and UNAUDITED PCR test tells you that you have Covid-19.

Mike Yeadon talked about this awhile back. The government are using a test for public safety but have not released the data showing it has been audited as such. They can’t release false positive rates because these are uncontrolled.

For a company this would have you fired and prosecuted.

368168 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Laurence, 5, #953 of 1993 🔗

The student’s feelings are the kind of thing that is contagious. One friend feels depression setting in, another, empathetic towards them will naturally feel down at the sight of a friend in peril. And so on it goes. Mood in a community is certainly a contagious thing. The mental health of the nation is surely heading to a very difficult place with all manner of unintended or unforseen consequences

368073 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #954 of 1993 🔗

Is lockdown working? Simple question that is sending the zealots into a spin.

368097 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Tom Blackburn, 17, #955 of 1993 🔗

They have two, related answers to that.

1: “It would if you covidiots stuck to the rules!”

2: “It would be much worse if we didn’t!”

Both unfalsifiable absurdities of course.

368108 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #956 of 1993 🔗

It is ironic, isn’t it, that these people implore us to follow the science with one breath, and then utter these absurd incantations with the next.

Most of them probably think Karl Popper is a DJ, FFS.

368160 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to AidanR, 6, #957 of 1993 🔗

Yep. Total pseudoscience. Errr, err Christmas…errr, errr people in supermarkets.

Fuck off.

368455 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #958 of 1993 🔗

MIght be of interest here.
Dolores Cahill sequencing of PCR ‘covid’ material found only flu A and B.

https://www.facebook.com/ifunanyam.edu.7/videos/1066924327159489

368083 tarfu, replying to tarfu, 30, #959 of 1993 🔗

Patrick Vallance “the vaccine will not do the heavy lifting”
A totally unscientific statement from the Chief Scientific Adviser.
What does it mean in plain English; that the vaccine does not work as expected? Quelle surprise. Isn’t his statement undermining the narrative.

368093 ▶▶ Julian, replying to tarfu, 21, #960 of 1993 🔗

The narrative (his and Whitty’s anyway) is now subtly changing to lockdowns forever

Are they chatting rubbish all over the media because they are in a power struggle with the cabinet, or at the behest of the cabinet? If the former, there is some hope. If the latter then we’re truly screwed and need to dig in for a decades-long fight.

368099 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Julian, 3, #961 of 1993 🔗

I bet you my life savings it is the LATTER

368208 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Luckyharry69, 6, #962 of 1993 🔗

Idk, I think Boris did truly believe that the vaccine would save us and lead us to the much trumpeted sunlit uplands of freedom. It will be interesting to see what he does next (in a car crash sort of way, of course).

What he needs to do, obviously, should he want anything to change (debatable) is to chuck Twitty and Bedspread in the bin post haste. As above, they are going to advocate for lockdowns and SD forever.

368461 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Luckyharry69, #963 of 1993 🔗

Clever, if it’s the latter then your life savings won’t be worth a potato.

368094 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to tarfu, 10, #964 of 1993 🔗

I’m kinda enjoying PV floundering. Not long now.

368084 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 29, #965 of 1993 🔗

Could a journalist ask Valance, Whitty, Hancock, Gove, Johnson and the rest: what evidence would convince them that the strategy of lockdowns, social distancing, face masks, etc was not an effective way of responding to the virus?

368091 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #966 of 1993 🔗

The virus is the excuse, the Reset is the plan. The ends justify the means for these people.

368092 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #967 of 1993 🔗

Absolutely. They are like crack heads and need to be prompted to consider for themselves what EXACTLY it would take for them to change their ways.

368142 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #968 of 1993 🔗

I suspect there are like creationists who see everything as proof of the existence of their god. Their “the science” is assertion and confirmation bias dressed up in scientific sounding language.

368157 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #969 of 1993 🔗

Yep. Complete made up horse shit. And we get called out for being too far down the rabbit hole! Tiers, Scotch Eggs being a meal, masks, bubbles – complete nonsense, the lot.

368203 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #970 of 1993 🔗

Already did that, but was ignored. They are not stupid, nor do I believe it is group think. The government has admitted in print on its website that it has formed a partnership with the World Economic Forum. If you visit the WEF website and trawl through the contents and drill down to the detail you will see the lockdown strategy initiated by the Chinese is a deliberate reconditioning and control programme to prepare the way for delivering The Great Reset. Both Johnson and Hancock have attended previous WEF conferences. I would imagine from his behaviour and responses to date that Vallance has too. The outcome of the next WEF conference at the end of this month will be telling.

368258 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to ShropshireLass, #971 of 1993 🔗

Oh, yes, can’t wait…

368096 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 23, #973 of 1993 🔗

I dont know if any of you listened to Johnson’s first sentence today in PMQ’s?

He mentioned CLIMATE CHANGE
and BUILD BACK BETTER

this was IMMEDIATE….the AGENDA is out there in front of everyone and STILL people are taken in by the BS!!!!

368104 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Luckyharry69, 15, #974 of 1993 🔗

I’m not a conspiracy theorist but would advise anyone who is into this stuff to chill their boots. The wheels are falling off the bus.

368121 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #975 of 1993 🔗

How exactly? I could do with something positive .

368139 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #976 of 1993 🔗

Direct attack from PV today (fire and a miss btw). Continued attack on sceptics and we are still here. Trust me, it is going pear at Covid- HQ.

368145 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #977 of 1993 🔗

They do sound a bit desperate.

368149 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Kyle Reese, 14, #978 of 1993 🔗

Clutching at straws. They might as well come out and say, ‘ please don’t notice our lockdown and vaccine combo isn’t working’

368150 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #979 of 1993 🔗

Thanks, feeling low today. It can’t come quick enough for some.

368153 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #980 of 1993 🔗

I don’t know if it’s better to hope, or just get used to the situation, and learn how to survive in it.

368186 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Alice, 5, #981 of 1993 🔗

Both. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. One thing’s for certain. At some stage, for sure, there’ll be an explosion of SHTF.

368187 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Alice, 14, #982 of 1993 🔗

I thought about both options for a few minutes. Then rejected a) as unrealistic and b) as defeatist. Determined to fight to the end, in whatever small ways I can, such as not wearing a mask, countering stupid FB posts even though it means receiving nasty and vicious comments as a result, signing petitions, writing to my Lockdown zealot millionaire MP more than once, joining groups such as this, sharing links and articles from LS newsletters to friends who have not expressly forbidden me to do so, driving 15 miles to do a country walk with a flask of tea in my bag, driving 10 miles to an independent farm shop instead of using a local superstore that has gone OTT with restrictions on its customers. I still may sleep poorly and grind my teeth at night, but at least I don’t feel so helpless that I go down with depression again.

368197 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Luckyharry69, 6, #983 of 1993 🔗

“BUILD BACK BETTER” for who exactly?

= Less cars for the & me!
= Less meat for the & me!
= Less stuff to own for the & me!

Its better for them because there will be less traffic on the road when they’re driving their car, shorter cues at the meat counter when they’re picking up their orders. They’ll be richer because they’ll own everything.

368103 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 34, #984 of 1993 🔗

Lockdowns are working, I have clear proof.

The number of people dying within 28 days of a haircut has dropped to zero.

What do you make of that you conspiracy theorist weirdos?

368163 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jo Starlin, 25, #985 of 1993 🔗

You are a danger to society and should be more careful with your irresponsible posts. My friend’s Uncle Doug in Baltimore had a haircut last June, and died of Covid 24 hours later.
He then voted Democrat four times in the U.S. Presidential election.
Anyone who suggests that any of this constitutes evidence of impropriety will have their social media accounts closed in the interests of public health, and efficiency.

368200 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 10, #986 of 1993 🔗

Dwayne from Craptown says “I never thought it would happen to me, just because I wanted a short back and sides. I’m only 24 (stone, that is) and perfectly healthy in all ways – I can even walk myself to the bathroom and back for example, on a good day – but here I am in hospital on an oxygen mask. I’ll never get my haircut again, and anyone who does is a reckless covidiot killing innocent people just like me”.

368204 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #987 of 1993 🔗

Well, if the wall doesn’t need to be torn down every time Dwayne needs to go out, he’s slim enough.

368184 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #988 of 1993 🔗

Conspiracy theory hairdos

368222 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to stefarm, 1, #989 of 1993 🔗

Lol. Have an uptick.

368115 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 16, #990 of 1993 🔗

There was a scare story in German MSM coffins piling up in crematoriums as so many excess deaths.
Look closer, it is due to:
no longer being able to send coffins to Poland and Czech republic, where it is cheaper.
Increased use of German crems causes them to break down, increased pressure on still working crems.

I once saw a film about coach trips to look at the nice facilities in Czech Republic to sell people this option.

368235 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Silke David, 5, #991 of 1993 🔗

There used to be some very good facilities in Poland, place called Oswiecim or something like that.

368237 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 2, #992 of 1993 🔗

Good rail links. Award-winning showers. Some bad feedback about the food apparently. But very attentive staff. And very secure. Very safe.

368252 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #993 of 1993 🔗

I’ll never forget my visit to Oswiecim/Auschwitz, and that was many years ago. I was there as a teacher with a group of teenagers, and all of us were deeply affected by what we saw.

368344 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Alice, 1, #994 of 1993 🔗

I went there a couple of years back. Not much left of Mengele’s hut though his work goes on without him.

369255 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #995 of 1993 🔗

I went there a couple of years ago. Even allowing for the passage of time and the resulting decay, the accommodation looked very shoddy indeed.

368309 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Annie, #996 of 1993 🔗

Goodness, I never made the connection….

368117 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 20, #997 of 1993 🔗

It’ll all be over soon. Sniffy uncle Joe has appointed his new health secretary.

368140 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #998 of 1993 🔗

Clearly the Penguin from Batman Returns

368201 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #999 of 1993 🔗

I’m loving Biden’s cabinet pics. I thought our government was bad…..

368205 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #1000 of 1993 🔗

This is the same person who played a blinder in Pennsylvania last year – pulled her own relations out of nursing homes, then sent covid-19 infected patients into said nursing homes, got caught red handed faking covid statistics, & when families started criticizing the above policies they were the ones who got attacked – on the grounds they were initiating hate against a transgender person!

368350 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 6, #1001 of 1993 🔗

amazing how many people with “protected characteristics” will use “hate” speech as a rebuttal when they are accused of incompetence .

368289 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1002 of 1993 🔗

Why Hello, who’s this pretty little thing?

368372 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 1, #1003 of 1993 🔗

It’s genuinely the new US Health Secretary. I kid you not.

368399 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1004 of 1993 🔗

What is it?

368445 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1005 of 1993 🔗

Don’t know but its personal pronouns must be Scary and Slapper.

368118 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 25, #1006 of 1993 🔗

Anyone who thought these sociopaths in government were about to ease their jackpot from our necks is deluded. They have stolen our lives they have repositioned themselves as our Masters rather than Public Servants its up to us to tell them to Get Stuffed and no more compliance.

368233 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1007 of 1993 🔗

Jackpot! I like it!

368437 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Annie, #1008 of 1993 🔗

Well it’s a jackpot to them. All those Pharma and PPE shares they must own.

368129 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 25, #1009 of 1993 🔗

Good boy. That’s exactly how Government/lockdown zealots want you to feel.

368193 ▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 5, #1010 of 1993 🔗

But once you see it for what it is, you see it. And there’s no going back.

368207 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to TJN, 1, #1011 of 1993 🔗

Absolutely right.

TJN, I caught your reply to me on the other thread very late. My apologies. I’m still getting to grips with the comments section. I’ve largely been just a ‘reader’ until recently.

I replied on yesterday’s thread, my friend.

368254 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #1012 of 1993 🔗

Hi JD – just seen your reply to my last comment yesterday thanks.

In my view, what happens to Eustace Leigh in Westward Ho! is one of the most powerful statements in literature about what it means to think for yourself, work out what you think is right, and stick to your guns, – not taking the easy way out by going with the crowd and whatever is demanded of you. But I don’t want to spoil it for you.

368287 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to TJN, 1, #1013 of 1993 🔗

Thanks, TJN. I’m definitely going to read it. I have some books to get through first, but it’s on my list, and it’s going to jump the queue, so to speak. I look forward to it.

Thanks again for the recommendation.

369254 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #1014 of 1993 🔗

I has just ordered a 108 year old copy from the interwebs. Not much more than the price of a pint. I have not bought many pints lately. For obvious but hugely annoying reasons.

368131 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 48, #1015 of 1993 🔗

Propaganda from Steve Baker’s twatter feed:

Betty Worron looks forward to a happier time after getting her COVID jab in Wycombe – “I’m going to be a lot happier – I’ve been quite miserable since March. I’ve got 8 grandchildren and I’m looking forward to when I’m able to see my family a bit more.”

The comments are scathing, e.g.:

Dream on Betty, although signs are good for 2022. Depends on how Hancock feels on the day really.

Sorry Betty,the politicians misled you,the vaccine may mean your symptoms will be of less duration and severity but they will still be keeping you under their Suppression strategy for many months to come sadly.

I’m sorry Betty but these tyrants won’t let you see your grandkids anytime soon. Patrick Vallance just said restrictions next winter. The tory government and the labour government while I’m at it, couldn’t run a bath, let alone a country.

368155 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #1016 of 1993 🔗

How is it these people get brainwashed by the BBC to think the vaccine let’s them out in order that they sign up, when the very same BBC tells them it’s masks and SD regardless?

368172 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1017 of 1993 🔗

Perhaps because they are thinking logically ( if naively) and have missed the latest additions to double-speak. Vaccine no longer means what it used to but if you are unaware of that then it is ludicrous for someone to think they will not be afforded full protection and be free to resume some sort of social life with family.

368188 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 17, #1018 of 1993 🔗

I know – they’re saying it in plain sight, as it were, that the vaccine now won’t allow normality to resume, we will be locked down until the summer and then back into tiers (with only Tier 1 allowing indoor family contact of course, and let’s face it, people like Betty aren’t going to be up to meeting outdoors for a bracing walk), and restrictions ramped up again next winter.

But STILL people think that the f*king vaccine will be the end of it. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEIR BRAINS??

I am saying to everyone I know, if you want to see your family before summer 2022 then you’re just going to have to do it off your own bat, because it’s looking increasingly unlikely that it will be “allowed”.

368195 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1019 of 1993 🔗

There seems to be so much empty bloody space in most people’s brains that I suppose two contradictory narratives can be accommodated very easily.

368189 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1020 of 1993 🔗

Could it be the word vaccine? A vaccine confers immunity from the disease. That’s what the word denotes. So, knowing what the word means, they think because they are told it is a vaccine that once vaccinated, they will have immunity. Therefore, they think, it does not matter if their grandchild is carrying the virus because they can hug and kiss their grandchild and they will not get the disease because they have immunity.

368225 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1021 of 1993 🔗

No, it is nothing so complex; they were told that the vaccine was the way out and no contradictory information will ever take root because of that. It is the same way that everyone views Covid as it was presented to them in the 2nd week of March – nothing said since has made an imprint.

368167 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 16, #1023 of 1993 🔗

A tale of two realities. I had call outs today for minor repairs, first house totally normal, second house fearful eyes peering over mask covid this covid that, keeping as far away as possible. Felt like a leper. Third job later on, I wonder which reality it will be in.

368230 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #1024 of 1993 🔗

You aren’t the leper,it’s the maskoid who is mentally unclean.

Pity if you csn’t afford to tell ’em to whistle for their minor repair!

368169 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 30, #1025 of 1993 🔗

My university has gone all online again for the remainder of the term, likely to be extended. Why am I paying 9k for this again?

368171 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ricky1, 8, #1026 of 1993 🔗

Hope your studying law. Sue em

368213 ▶▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Anti_socialist, 18, #1027 of 1993 🔗

Funnily enough I am. Was considering a Masters in Human Rights law because I thought it might come in handy with what we’re experiencing but right now after the seeing the contempt universities have for their students I can’t wait to get out of the university system.

368380 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Ricky1, #1028 of 1993 🔗

You could demand that your fees are in line with the online courses which are considerably cheaper I’m sure

368395 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ricky1, 1, #1029 of 1993 🔗

After the contempt lawyers have shown for human rights during the “pandemic” I think that’s a wise choice.

368173 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ricky1, 4, #1030 of 1993 🔗

Sue them under trading standards law

368182 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Ricky1, 24, #1031 of 1993 🔗

I suppose you’re entitled to wonder. Couple of young men I know in the next village made a joint decision to snub university: one became a properly-qualified plumber, the other a properly-qualified joiner. Set up their own business.
Busy, busy, busy. Villa in Spain; BMW each; nice houses in the village; supporting their growing families. Two great lads as well; good to see them prospering.
Makes one wonder whether a £27k debt’s worth the candle.

368196 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 9, #1032 of 1993 🔗

Especially post Brexit. And why not, tradesmen add value, most professionals remove value.

368198 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Will, 5, #1033 of 1993 🔗

Upticked- as a professional!

368248 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Will, 6, #1034 of 1993 🔗

Hangmen will be back in demand soon
also noose fitters
Lever pullers

368386 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1035 of 1993 🔗

And with the cost of accommodation and years not able to work added to the cost it’s more like £50,000.

368491 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #1036 of 1993 🔗

Covid accelerated my daughter dropping out of university but I can’t say we are upset about it. She’s going to start a woodworking technician course at college in the fall and I believe her prospects will be much better in the end. We pushed her to go to uni because she’s gifted, but she came to hate organized education. There is a perpetual shortage of skilled trades and so she will easily make a good living. In the meantime she has become a gaming streamer and will make $2k CAD this month! My husband and I shake our heads every day that she can make this kind of money from her apartment. Only in these crazy times…

368641 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1037 of 1993 🔗

Fantastic.

Sadly university education is becoming overrated – young people should think carefully what they want to do before embarking on an expensive university education.

368199 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ricky1, 13, #1038 of 1993 🔗

Most of what is on offer for £9k/year wasn’t worth it even before this crap!

Unless you’re doing an applied science, engineering, legal or medical degree, read up on the sunk cost fallacy and cut your losses and get a trade.

The world is always going to need hairdressers, plumbers, carpenters, scaffolders, car mechanics, electricians and undertakers.

The establishment literally has to expensively manufacture demand for the skills most graduates gain, and that endeavour never outlasts the government of the day.

368216 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to AidanR, 8, #1039 of 1993 🔗

Yes, I am doing a PhD just now – I have been fully funded with a stipend since my Master’s, so have nowhere near the debt that a typical PhD candidate is likely to have – but I am almost certainly going to be doing some sort of menial job in the context of my own business after it. The academic system is broken and full of raving lunatics – they are welcome to it.

368217 ▶▶▶ Ricky1, replying to AidanR, 2, #1040 of 1993 🔗

Doing a law degree, so have to stick through it I’m afraid.

368226 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ricky1, 12, #1041 of 1993 🔗

Get your degre, get qualified, and assist at Nuremberg 2.

368283 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Ricky1, 2, #1042 of 1993 🔗

Ricky1 – good luck – if you specialise in human rights and us LS keep defying the lunatic government I’m sure some of us will be your clients in the future!

368219 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ricky1, 1, #1043 of 1993 🔗

Breach of contract?

368174 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1044 of 1993 🔗

Remember when the Royal people were banging on about mental health issues, did Daddy tip them off that this was on the way and would actually be an issue. No sign of them since.

368253 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1045 of 1993 🔗

They like to dabble around the edges of a ‘topical’ issue to make themselves feel relevant, without actually making the slightest difference.

I’ll believe we are killing the planet when they all downsize to three-bed semis and ditch the travel. I feel I will be waiting a while…

368202 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1047 of 1993 🔗

In normal times this would be considered madness.

Today there will be people screaming it should have been done sooner.

368209 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1048 of 1993 🔗

I would’ve told him jog on, and then jogged off. What’s he going to do, chase you for 30 meters and then collapse?

368221 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Kyle Reese, 3, #1049 of 1993 🔗

Indeed, drop the shoulder and run off. More brain washing to keep the plebs scared

368227 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1050 of 1993 🔗

When will people realise that, if they just stopped breathing, EVERYTHING would go away.

368320 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to godowneasy, #1051 of 1993 🔗

I suggested this on Twitter and got a 24 hour ban for apparently encouraging suicide.

368185 Will, replying to Will, 4, #1052 of 1993 🔗

Not sure if I actually posted this as I was battling home school. My question is how Ireland’s rise in “cases” fits with the absence of a Christmas “spike” in the Uk. The zero covid loons in Ireland maintain that the rise in cases in Ire Is down to mixing on Christmas Day…

368266 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Will, 2, #1053 of 1993 🔗

Ah, but you see Irish people mix in a much more dangerous way than British people. Just like the Swedes are so much more disciplined.

368190 Will, #1054 of 1993 🔗

I see Zoe are late on parade today…

368220 Mimi, replying to Mimi, 36, #1055 of 1993 🔗

Just a little report on a vaccine experience, which makes me just a tad worried about the next few weeks as older adults get their second shots:

My 19-year-old daughter is an emergency medical worker, transporting patients in an ambulance. She’s also a college student, currently taking pre-medical school classes. Because of her job, she was at the top of the list for vaccines here. (South Carolina)

She got her first shot three weeks ago and did fine with it, aside from a sore arm. She got her second shot Monday, and boy howdy, what a difference.

She woke up Tuesday morning and started vomiting. She vomited all day, or rather dry heaved. She had a severe headache and body aches and fever. By evening she was lying in a sweaty, red-faced heap in her bed and we were wondering whether she might need IV fluids.

She managed to get down a Tylenol with a little gatorade and took a long shower, so we abandoned the ER plan, but was still feeling terrible at bedtime. I have never seen her this sick. [She hasn’t yet emerged from her bedroom this morning. I hope she’s improved after a good night’s sleep.]

Of course this may not have been completely caused by the vaccine, but it’s also true that all her colleagues who’ve had the second shot have been out-of-work ill for at least a day or two. Headaches and fever are the big culprits.

My 73-year-old mother had her first shot last week. My 81-year-old father-in-law has his first shot scheduled. Both of them are over the moon about it – they’ll be safe! And I’m looking at this healthy teenager completely incapacitated and thinking, my god, what will happen to them when they get their second shots?

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, far from it. But I really can’t see the sense of making people seriously ill so they don’t get seriously ill.

368236 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mimi, 6, #1056 of 1993 🔗

It does rather seem that the effects of the jab can be worse than those of what it’s claimed to protect against doesn’t it. The question is, which is worse. I think I’m decided.

368246 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to leggy, 6, #1057 of 1993 🔗

Should add – hope she feels better soon!

368238 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Mimi, 6, #1058 of 1993 🔗

Well they said the deaths of the vaccinated elderly and frail in Norway were caused by the side effects of the vaccine so maybe that is what you are seeing with your daughter. Hope she recovers soon, sounds horrible.

368251 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mimi, -12, #1059 of 1993 🔗

I’m not an anti-vaxxer either, but you have to understand what a vaccine actually is before you can formulate an opinion about what effect they are likely to have.

I don’t think that your daughters symptoms can necessarily be put down to the vaccine. It doesn’t seem that likely to me.

Is this considered medical opinion that it is the vaccine that has done this to her, or just your speculation about the matter?

I’m not saying it isn’t. But you need to be sure.

368262 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John P, 3, #1060 of 1993 🔗

I recall reading that in the trials (not sure which brand) people felt really very unwell (needing to be in bed) for a day or two after the second jab and this was more likely in younger people than older. Something to do with the state of the person’s immune system. Of course it could be a coincidence, but Mimi’s report doesn’t seem to be inconsistent with others I have read.

368278 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to John P, 8, #1061 of 1993 🔗

Hi John. I don’t know which vaccine this is but the Astra Zeneca vaccine trials listed nausea and vomiting as “common” side effects. Not proof but certainly makes the vaccine a probable cause.

368388 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, 5, #1062 of 1993 🔗

Dude all pharmaceuticals are poison, they are designed to be exactly that to kill off various causes of sickness. No medication is 100% safe.

Vaccines (older types) actually have additives added to provoke your immune system into thinking its being attacked eg. adjuvants, aluminium etc. Little is known about the new RNA vaccines & what’s in them!

Big pharma cease investigating or recording any adverse vaccine affects after 28 days. Regulatory bodies give big pharma the responsibility to test effficacy & safety of vaccines. Big pharma do not pay any scientist to prove their products are harmful or don’t work.

History is littered with very dangerous vaccines that have been cancelled!

I’m just saying, hope you enjoy your vaccine, i’m happy to go natural & take my chances against the viruses. my body my choice.

368485 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 2, #1063 of 1993 🔗

Please, people, don’t downvote this sensible caveat.

368621 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, #1064 of 1993 🔗

Hmm whilst i personally don’t hold with down voting, there is no way to be sure of vaccine harm, no one will investigate it.

368269 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mimi, 4, #1065 of 1993 🔗

She MUST report the adverse reaction to VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) https://vaers.hhs.gov

Find lots of vaccine related information on National Vaccine Information Centre https://www.nvic.org

Great article on adverse reactions
Informed Consent for COVID Vaccine
 https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/19/informed-consent-for-covid-vaccine.aspx

368270 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mimi, 1, #1066 of 1993 🔗

Thanks for sharing and I wish her a speedy recovery! Do you know which vaccine?

368276 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Mimi, 8, #1067 of 1993 🔗

We need to start accepting the evidence of our own eyes – your daughter had the shot and after the second one got ill. Of course the vaccine caused it – it wasn’t coincidence. I hope she recovers well, but this experimental gene therapy (NOT a vaccine) should be steered clear of, in my view.

368300 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to this is my username, 3, #1068 of 1993 🔗

With such severe side effects, if “only” lasting a few days, it makes me think what are the long term effects?

368316 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Silke David, 4, #1069 of 1993 🔗

It doesn’t bode well for the implications of annual vaccines and a possible cocktail of whatever happens to be the vaccine de jour in future.

368385 ▶▶ Mimi, replying to Mimi, 7, #1070 of 1993 🔗

A morning update (US morning): The patient is up and looks much better. Still has a headache, but managed to eat some oatmeal and drink some gatorade. I’m no longer worried. She’ll spend today resting and hydrating.

368223 Basileus, 2, #1071 of 1993 🔗

Nice Sweden Mortality graph from Ivor Cummins.

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1351860543485857792

368228 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1072 of 1993 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/covid-related-deaths-in-care-homes-in-england-jump

Raises more questions than anything. Vaccinated part of these perhaps? Also this is interesting, more tax payer support. Never ending money pit:

“Meanwhile, the government has acted to help care homes accept Covid-positive patients from crowded hospitals by underwriting the risk posed by them spreading the virus.

Insurers were refusing to cover care homes offering to become “designated settings” for discharged Covid patients – also known as “hot homes” – which have been set up in some areas to try to keep infection out of other care settings.

Until the end of March those homes will now be covered by the UK government for clinical negligence and employers’ and public liability where they cannot obtain commercial cover.”

368239 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1073 of 1993 🔗

I remember Tegnell saying last year that he didn’t see how lockdowns would have prevented their care home deaths. Thus the media reported this as admitting the failure of the Swedish approach.

Such is the screwed up logic of people now they will say that things would be much worse now without them.

368261 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1074 of 1993 🔗

Ah I see! So it’s all about liability, not actually about saving lives! What a revelation.

368482 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to A. Contrarian, #1075 of 1993 🔗

You could say the same about government.Never mind universal misery, ruin, and the death of western civilisation, so long as we can shrug off responsibility for covvideaths.

368234 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, #1076 of 1993 🔗

Something doesn’t add up here. If China has controlled the virus why would they need to build quarantine camps.

Incredible time-lapse footage shows Chinese workers toiling day and night to build a massive quarantine camp with over 4,000 isolation suites to fight coronavirus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9162697/Coronavirus-China-Footage-shows-massive-quarantine-camp-built-COVID-19-epicentre.html

368240 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #1077 of 1993 🔗

No footage just emerges from China. None. We see what they want us to see. There is no way that the Chinese “suppressed the virus” with lockdown and no way that they would destroy their economy over a low impact virus.

368241 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1078 of 1993 🔗

“no way that they would destroy their economy over a low impact virus”

Well we did.

368245 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to John P, 8, #1079 of 1993 🔗

They’re not mad though. Evil yes, but not mad.

368256 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1080 of 1993 🔗

They didn’t destroy their economy.

The question to ask is this:

If this ‘virus’ started spreading in Wuhan in November 2019, and if it killed around 4000 people in that city, and if there was unrestricted travel between Wuhan and Shanghai for two months, as there was, then why have only seven people officially died of covid in Shanghai – a metropolis of 24 million people.?

Possible answer:

Because those people in Wuhan really died of a polultion incident. If there were no travel restrictions for tw months, as there weren’t, then the virus would have seeded itself in every Chinese city in those two months.

368357 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to rockoman, 1, #1081 of 1993 🔗

Sorry I phrased it very badly. I meant that there was no way China would inflict the harm of lockdown on its economy and they haven’t. The theatrics in Wuhan were a con. I completely agree with you on the nonsense of their figures.

368358 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, 1, #1082 of 1993 🔗

China is the only country that posted a positive GDP number for 2020.

368425 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1083 of 1993 🔗

Well they would, wouldn’t they? That’s where all the PPE comes from.

368259 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #1084 of 1993 🔗

Odd how all this is happening again pretty much exactly one year after it all started, isn’t it?

Yet in August we had those pictures of thousands of maskless people enjoying pool parties. Then they had New Year, but were told to make sure that they had supplies at home to last for up to one month.

Nothing adds up, they cannot be trusted one bit.

368305 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1085 of 1993 🔗

It’s also highly coincidental that we’re hearing of quarantine camps being planned in Germany and I believe Canada.

368333 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #1086 of 1993 🔗

We shouldn’t trust anything that comes out of China either officially or “unofficially”. I’m not going to waste my time even thinking about it.
We have to concentrate on what is happening here. Does that moron Vallance really think it’s expedient to tell the public the vaccine won’t give us our freedoms back (for those who have and will take it) ? I hope it’s the start of the end now but the British public have been a cringing disappointment all along.

368361 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Nobody2021, #1087 of 1993 🔗

“re-education camps”

368465 ▶▶ mj, replying to Nobody2021, #1088 of 1993 🔗

obviously lots of Uyghars with covid. Might also be anticipating a lot of covid sufferers in Hong Kong .. and then maybe later this year , Taiwan

368255 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1089 of 1993 🔗

Aldi homepage

368257 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #1090 of 1993 🔗

What happened to the masks meant reducing distancing from 2m to 1m offer everyone was enticed with in July?

368298 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 5, #1091 of 1993 🔗

Indeed.

368260 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1092 of 1993 🔗

This is a payday waiting to happen
Who’d up for the challenge??

368297 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #1093 of 1993 🔗

What is a MEDICAL exemption? The government guidelines refer only to EXEMPTION.

368303 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 9, #1094 of 1993 🔗

They’re wrong, just as Tesco’s were. I’ve just fired off an e-mail.

368314 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 5, #1095 of 1993 🔗

I still have no reply to my complaint to Lloyd’s Banking group 7 days on. I hope they are thinking long and hard about their stance going forward. However I suspect I’m just in a queue for a cut and paste response. I did copy in the CEO so I hope one of his minions has it on their to do list also. You’d have to hope they take discrimination law seriously.

368334 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1096 of 1993 🔗

Not in my local Aldi. They are relatively relaxed about it all.

368727 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, #1097 of 1993 🔗

Mine too. Relaxed, efficient, cheap, cheerful and fast – what more could one want.

368420 ▶▶ mj, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1098 of 1993 🔗

the page about how they deal with covid https://www.aldi.co.uk/covid19
says

Mandatory face coverings

To ensure the safety of our customers and colleagues, it is mandatory for all customers (with certain exceptions) shopping in our stores to wear a face covering for the duration of their visit. Those who refuse to wear a face covering, without medical exemption, will not be allowed in store. We thank you for your cooperation.

368421 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1099 of 1993 🔗

No such thing as a medical exemption, it’s just an exemption.

368264 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 9, #1100 of 1993 🔗

I’ve just subscribed to:

https://thelightpaper.co.uk/

You can read it online, it’s brilliant. But for £5/month you can get a paper copy delivered to your door and it supports and grows their excellent work.
This is a monthly paper but with support and increasing numbers it can become weekly with a far wider audience which of course is what we need.

‘The Light’ truth paper…. don’t miss it!

368290 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #1101 of 1993 🔗

It is a great paper .

People can also distribute this paper, get a stack from local distributors for free – see link to that on their site

368268 John P, 1, #1102 of 1993 🔗

Slightly off topic, but we maybe all need a laugh just now, and especially myself after a largely sleepless night:

https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1351728468636143618

368271 bluemoon, 7, #1103 of 1993 🔗

FINALLY! – a TV ad recognising the true situation for many people. It addresses one of the many tragedies of lockdown and is a realistic and depressing story from Women’s Aid.

368274 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #1104 of 1993 🔗

“SNP ministers insisted at the start of the coronavirus pandemic that official advice on the emerging threat should be “branded” as Scottish.

“Official minutes from one of the Scottish Government’s emergency operation meetings show ministers wanted people to know the advice was coming out of Edinburgh as well”

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19023346.snp-ministers-asked-scottish-branded-covid-advice/

So the krank lied about not scoring political points of covid as she woobler her basil brush hair do and wagged her kermit hands about.

368294 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basics, 5, #1105 of 1993 🔗

With the devastation now befalling Scotland it’s little wonder they want to distance themselves from that idea.

368449 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1106 of 1993 🔗

Indeed. I keep reading about people who think that ‘Scotland has done a better job than England’ and wonder how you can ‘manage’ a respiratory virus and how anyone can look objectively at the data on infections, hospitalisations and deaths in Scotland, compare this with the rest of the UK (and Europe), and conclude that this reflects well on the Scottish Government. It just beggars belief and shows that this is all about feelings and prejudices, with nothing to do with facts or reason. The SNP and many Scots are totally obsessed with England and a victimhood complex. I despair.

368295 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1107 of 1993 🔗

Also in pondlife corner…

“ONE of the country’s most prominent public health experts has said an independent Scotland would have handled the coronavirus pandemic better.

Devi Sridhar, professor of global public health at Edinburgh University and a member of the Scottish Government’s Covid-19 Advisory Group, made the comments in an interview with Holyrood magazine.

She said people across the political spectrum have told her First Minister Nicola Sturgeon “has done a remarkable job”

“Already, if you look at the charts and the devolved nations, Scotland does come out in terms of lowest case numbers.

“At the start, in March, it did just as badly, but since then, in the summer, we got the numbers low.

“But I think there are constraints. Any time you want to put in a package, an economic package, to be able to support hospitality because we have to shut it, it’s a negotiation at the start.

“That was a really stressful time, [asking] can we actually shut hospitality? Though we thought that was the right thing to do at the point from the Advisory Group perspective.

“It’s hard because, I think, you saw in the summer the talks about elimination and zero Covid, clear focus on getting numbers low – we never saw that clarity of vision from England and that’s really hard.

“We’re still not getting it, and I hope we will get it, but it might take a few more months.”

She added: “I do feel much safer right now being in Scotland, knowing that there’s a leader in charge who takes the health of the public incredibly seriously and takes her job really seriously and is hard-working.”

Ms Sridhar said the First Minister has “done her daily briefings, she has been serious, she has been credible and she has been trying to do her best for the country”.

She added: “We have to give respect where it’s due. It’s not a political point – it’s a point about showing up and doing your best for the country.

“I’ll take the heat for saying that, I don’t mind. I will speak what I think is right.”

Read more https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19023837.devi-sridhar-independent-scotland-handled-coronavirus-better/?ref=twtrec

Its like creep whitty of fergusson getting out tgere and saying boris is doing great following my advice. Other academics who are silent are disgraceful not to comment about the bint’s ego speaking to a nation.

368331 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Basics, 9, #1108 of 1993 🔗

Puke!

368495 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Basics, #1109 of 1993 🔗

I see what you’re saying about academic silence and wish that those with some medical and/or (real) scientific expertise would speak out; I’m sure many would like to do so, but they are worried about potential repercussions. I’m a politics lecturer and don’t have the profile of many others in my field, so don’t really see any point, but do have strong feelings about the damage this shitshow is doing to liberal democracy and how it is enabling those who have divisive agendas.

Regarding Sridhar’s comments about feeling ‘safer’ in Scotland, this is total nonsense. The stats show that there is little difference between Scotland and England when it comes to the Rona, particularly when making wider European comparisons. Of course, Scottish nationalists are obsessed with England, with a strong sense of victimhood and a chip on the shoulder. This seems to be getting worse and as someone who is not Scottish and has a ‘foreign’ accent, I’m feeling less ‘safe’ here all the time, though I realise that most Scots are not the problem and may well understand what I’m saying. I lived in England for several years before moving to Scotland and, quite frankly, find most parts of England to be more cosmopolitan and tolerant than most parts of Scotland (and that includes cities like Glasgow, where I used to live).

I really get tired of this holier-than-thou, morally superior attitude that Sridhar (an American, actually) seems to be channelling and also find it quite unprofessional for someone in her privileged position to be speaking out like this in public. She really should not get involved in this wider issue – Scottish independence – particularly when she clearly has such a poor understanding of it. Scotland is deeply divided and I don’t think she understands the fact that many Scots do not see Nicola Sturgeon as representing their views.

368613 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1110 of 1993 🔗

As we all know there are some great academics out there. Professor Richard Ennos at University of Edinburgh, is one fine example as are many others.

My point is about the silent academics. There comes a time when being complicit in tyranny is something to reject at all costs.

People not used to super funded careers and life styles know what true courage is, to make decisions that can effect your families future. Daunting. But what is the alternative? These silent professor-worshipfulnesses are selling out their children’s future.

Richard Ennos might enjoy a friendly intranet message. He has been a huge a powerful force for good.

368624 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1111 of 1993 🔗

Spot on about tinkering in political life, the elected representatives ought to put her back in her box. We know Devi’s backgrounds and her dept spawned like fungal spore from the Oxford dept of the same design. Rhodes Scholar out of Miami at 18, for a chosen one she displays little special cognitive capacity. Connected to clintons and UN if you don’t already know.

The home ‘talent’ in the field must be very shallow if she is the best of the bunch.

369156 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Basics, #1112 of 1993 🔗

No medical qualification. Just a smart brain, a pretty face and very sharp elbows.

368522 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 4, #1113 of 1993 🔗

Devi’s got the hots for Krankie. It’s the only explanation.

369152 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to thinkaboutit, #1114 of 1993 🔗

More feasible than some might think.

368764 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basics, 1, #1115 of 1993 🔗

On Good Morning Britain Professor Devi Sridhar claimed that QALYs was not part of public health policy and practice. This was so she could join in the attack on Jonathan Sumption.

368275 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 14, #1116 of 1993 🔗

Sorry everyone but ‘Mad’ Mick of the RMT union strikes again:

‘RAIL UNION RMT has paid tribute to the army of workers who have battled to keep services running overnight in appalling conditions and has repeated the call for the Government to ensure that the transport workforce are clearly identified as essential staff with appropriate priority for COVID vaccination.’

I often wonder at and, in a sense, admire the ‘masochism’ of people who persevere with following what the MSM are up to or who battle it out with the zealots on Arsebook, Twatter etc.

And yet here I am, still subscribed to the RMT’s regular, hysterical email updates (a hangover from when our local railway/transport group actually had a point to its existence and Mick posted about transport issues). I think they must exercise a horrible fascination for me. Maybe it’s part of my continual shock and despair at the almost complete capitulation to the lies and hysteria by what might be termed the ‘liberal left’.

It’s not only the politicos but analysts, journalists, commentators, some of whom derived their existence from skewering the lies of the MSM, sometimes for decades. When it comes to Covid/Lock-downs they are either full-on zealots, cowering under their beds or they simply pretend there’s ‘nothing to see here’, leading to us parting company with a lot of people we used to follow, even admire for their brave stance on the growing totalitarianism we were already facing.. Now, they simply refuse to see the pattern.

The Labour Party’s cheer-leading for more lock-down is more explicable. It has been neoliberal since the Blair days, if not before, and we have never been supporters. Corbyn was a genuinely left-wing aberration who had to be destroyed at all costs and now the party is back in the safe hands of globalist Sir Trilateral Commission Starmer and he’s seeing his chance.

I am a full-on conspiracy theorist because I honestly believe that there is a conspiracy. I have posted my views many times on this so I won’t bother you now. However, I wish to stress that, with all my heart, I hope that the cock-up wing of LS is right. However, as we face what’s increasingly looking like never-ending lock-downs, even worse than last year when the real ‘pandemic’ ended last May (!),a mandatory-in-all-but-name ‘vaccine’ that they are clearly telling us won’t work (and reports of adverse reactions which are escaping the censorship) plus the Fat One larding his speeches with WEF slogans, I really am struggling to see it.

p.s. Mick posted a couple of days ago that Eurostar is probably about to go bust….. Hey-ho, whoever needs to leave our open prison now we’ve taken back control? Actually that is exactly what we need to do. The ‘measures’ will end when we say they do: La lutte continue! MW

368280 ▶▶ Julian, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1117 of 1993 🔗

We’re all in this together, protect the vulnerable, but me first for the vaccine!

368296 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #1118 of 1993 🔗

I’m happy for them to have any vaccine with my name on it
.

368324 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #1119 of 1993 🔗

If we’re going to be in some permanent state of lockdown, as it seems these nutjobs would like us to be, then the coercive pressure on lots of people to have the vaccine will not be felt.

I didn’t want it anyway, now there’s not even going to be any jobs or fun things to blackmail or bribe me with!

368327 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 9, #1120 of 1993 🔗

But as I keep pointing out, how can the World Economic Forum and its Great Reset plan be a conspiracy theory? It is real! 30 governments (including ours) signed up to it and literally hundreds of partners with massive financial, economic and political power, including the UN, WHO and IMF. All their plans, vision and the mission statements of their Blofeld/Hitler type leader Schwab are on their website in plain sight, and many of those plans are well advanced now. So why is it still being referred to as a conspiracy theory?!

368342 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to ShropshireLass, 4, #1121 of 1993 🔗

I don’t think anyone denies that the WEF wants a great reset. The point of disagreement is only whether that is what drives anything and everything we have seen happen nationally and globally over the last year.

368369 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1122 of 1993 🔗

Charlie Blue A valid point – though Klaus Schwab made it clear that they would use the coronavirus pandemic to bring forward their plans, and he holds up China as a model. They are certainly a key player in the WEF. Plus there is the fact that in October 2019 the WEF held a symposium where a coronavirus pandemic scenario was modelled as a practice run to implement many of their plans which had stalled because of resistance in the West and behavioural responses that they had not yet overcome.

368679 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to ShropshireLass, #1123 of 1993 🔗

Yes, I do understand your point. That is definitely what Schwab and co wanted to do – still doesn’t mean that everyone else is acting on his say-so, even if their actions are helpful to his aspirations.

368592 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to ShropshireLass, 3, #1124 of 1993 🔗

I completely agree, it’s no longer a conspiracy theory, it’s out there in the open for everyone to see. Stupidity, incompetence, or even mass hysteria can no longer explain what’s going on. Governments had their exit strategy if they wanted it. A gradual switch from PCR to LF tests, a decline in “cases” and deaths, and in March they could say “Hey presto, vaccines and lockdown have done the trick, so it’s back to normal. Well done everyone!” It seems they don’t want that avenue…

368277 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 7, #1125 of 1993 🔗

Telegraph: UAE virus cases surge despite world-leading vaccine programme
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/20/uae-virus-cases-surge-despite-world-leading-vaccine-programme/

With nearly 21 percent of the UAE’s population of 10 million having received a first jab, only Israel has vaccinated a higher proportion of its people.

But infection rates in the UAE have nearly tripled in the past month, with authorities reporting 3,506 new cases on Wednesday, the ninth day of record high infections. Six new deaths were reported, increasing the country’s toll to 762.

No wonder Paddy Valium is furiously managing expectations.

368292 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to AidanR, #1126 of 1993 🔗

Yes, strange, isn’t it?

368313 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to AidanR, 1, #1127 of 1993 🔗

I’m sure I saw an article very recently in a scientific or medical journal which pointed out one of the dangers of this experimental vaccine is that using the previously untried mRNA technology one of the potential adverse events could actually be a severe faulty auto-immune response, which actually triggers a worse infection than an unvaccinated person would not have experienced when their immune system encountered the virus. That could be part of the problem in the UAE? I might be wrong on that information though – I only skim read it. Will see if I can find whether I copied the reference to the article.

368329 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to ShropshireLass, 3, #1128 of 1993 🔗

Not dismissing the theory – but if they’ve only had 6 deaths in a day and 762 over all there doesn’t seem to be much of a problem at all!

368670 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to ShropshireLass, #1129 of 1993 🔗

I think it’s called “ADE” antibody dependent enhancement – plenty stuff on tinternet about it. I’m not sure which vaccine this ‘could’ be an issue with whether the mRNA one (phizer/moderna) or the other oxford/ax.

369199 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to penelope pitstop, #1130 of 1993 🔗

I know a bit about it from my job. It’s not a problem (from what I have read) until your initial immunity starts to wane, and then you get infected by a naturally acquired coronavirus and your immune system overreacts.

A lot of coronavirus vaccines in the past have been abandoned as they caused ADE in animal testing. What worries me is that there was no time for animal testing over time before these vaccines moved into human studies. We won’t know if this is a problem potentially for a couple of years.

368318 ▶▶ leggy, replying to AidanR, 4, #1131 of 1993 🔗

Seems to me that cases and even deaths are surging everywhere the jab is being quickly rolled out. I know, correlation/causation, but I’d love to see some analysis on that. Given that govts seem happy to brag about how well they are jabbing people, shouldn’t be hard to get to the data.

368336 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to AidanR, 3, #1132 of 1993 🔗

I used to live there before losing my job. Testing is rampant, with many being tested weekly or even more frequently. The more you test, the more ‘cases’ you will find. Plus each positive test is (or was) a case, no matter if it’s the same person. Of course there’s every reason to believe the vaccine isn’t helping.

368412 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to AidanR, #1133 of 1993 🔗

Despite or because of?

368661 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to AidanR, #1134 of 1993 🔗

working well that there vaxx then!? 🙂 Strange that in many countries where the vaxx is being rolled out the ‘cases’ are increasing!

368281 Jo Dominich, 1, #1135 of 1993 🔗

Hi Nick are u out there? I would really appreciate some of urgency excellent graphs to makeep sense of the current situation. Thanks

368282 John P, replying to John P, 15, #1136 of 1993 🔗

David Davis doing his job. Introducing a bill to protect free speech in Universities. It’s a positive development amidst the continuing shitshow:

https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1351557895033393152

368502 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to John P, 1, #1137 of 1993 🔗

Thanks for this – you’ve made my day! As one of a minority of academic people believing in free speech, this is most welcome. You’d be surprised at how bad it has become in the last few years.

368286 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 62, #1138 of 1993 🔗

It is no wonder the government is trying to ramp up the mask issue….their very survival depends on it.

In the recent words of Dr Vernon Coleman:

‘It seems to me that, according to the Government guidelines, there are good reasons not to wear a mask. What are ‘they’ going to do if we all refuse to wear their damned masks? If we stop wearing masks we’ll be well on the way to winning the fight for our freedom and our survival. It’s that simple’

It really is that simple and the government know it. If you do one thing to fight against this crazy, destructive, society killing madness don’t wear a bloody mask!

368323 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Harry hopkins, 31, #1139 of 1993 🔗

The government clearly thought they could continue with this by getting the supermarkets to ramp up the pressure. I don’t think either expected the kind of push-back that is now happening. Faced with a choice of being sued multiple times, or dialling down on the aggressive challenging, the supermarkets are obviously going to choose the latter.

368377 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to kh1485, 10, #1140 of 1993 🔗

Go outdoors and euro car parts have both sent mails today saying it’s law and you have to wear a mask.both stated exemption but said use our delivery service. I responded to go outdoors with a gfys

368393 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wayno, 4, #1141 of 1993 🔗

I guarantee they haven’t looked at any law for one second.

368391 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 10, #1142 of 1993 🔗

It’s so important that we push back. They could easily have got away with this. How many people must there be out there with e.g. a genuine disability exemption, that they don’t know about? Millions. They will just accept whatever is happening in supermarkets as the ‘latest rule’. Big salute to everyone who has contacted a supermarket this last week or so.

368413 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #1143 of 1993 🔗

It is. I corrected the Tesco’s manager I spoke to this morning when he said the rules had changed. I told him they hadn’t and that, for whatever reason, this was being ramped up by the supermarkets themselves – he didn’t have a response to that. Though, as we probably all know, they were leant on by government to do their bidding.

368328 ▶▶ matt, replying to Harry hopkins, 18, #1144 of 1993 🔗

Agree, but it’s getting harder and harder. The beefy little eyes that glare at you from over the muzzles are filled with such fear and such fury that it’s hard to remember that you aren’t in fact some kind of selfish, spiteful, disease-spreading domestic terrorist.

368340 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to matt, 18, #1145 of 1993 🔗

matt….It seems to me that the only eyes you need concern yourself with are your own. When you look in the mirror do you like what you see? Self respect is all in this battle. I know it’s easy to talk but I couldn’t give a flying fig about other people’s eyes. Make no mistake this is a war we are engaged in and if ‘eyes’ are the worst they can throw at us then it’s only a matter of time before we win.

368419 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #1146 of 1993 🔗

I agree with Sam Vimes. Every conversation I’ve had has been totally normal except with security guards at Morrisons and Sainsbury’s *

* two incidents; if either is repeated it will lead to a legal claim against that co. (assuming that I can get the CCTV footage).

I must live in a relatively sane part of the country.

368370 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to matt, 5, #1147 of 1993 🔗

I don’t doubt that it happens, Matt, but I have to say, every conversation I’ve had in a supermarket, with a maskee (e.g. rottten weather, or “Could you help me reach that…”) has been absolutely normal. It’s as if we both are, or both aren’t wearing masks – nothing said about actual masks. It’s ‘normal’ in a sad way.

368470 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to matt, 3, #1148 of 1993 🔗

They just make me loathe the owners of the said piggy little eyes.

368573 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Annie, 1, #1149 of 1993 🔗

Beefy = beady + autocorrect

The reasons I don’t wear a mask are 1) that I refuse to signal that I support the government’s agenda and 2) that I refuse to be part of the fear propaganda, which clearly masks are. The fact that the public have now become so convinced of the efficacy of masks that seeing someone _not_ wearing one clearly now generates fear puts me on shaky ground with the second now.

368356 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #1150 of 1993 🔗

Why do you think they’re hitting social media censorship so hard? They’re trying to prevent us organising any effective dissent.

A cynical person might be suspicious of all those vague but convenient anti-terrorism & surveillance laws of the last decade.

You’ll soon be labelled a terrorist if you don’t wear a mask!

368366 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1151 of 1993 🔗

Many a freedom fighter has been labelled a ‘terrorist’ throughout history. I’m pretty sure I’m right in saying that most of them have ultimately been victorious in their struggle against oppression.

368451 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1152 of 1993 🔗

Those good old days are long gone. Ted Kaczynski (disclaimer, i sincerely do not advocate or condone any form of violence against anyone ) was absolutely right in his hypothesis of the liberal left & technocracy in his manifesto, but his methods to tackle it were wrong .

Industrial Society and Its Future. Theodore Kaczynski’s 1995 Manifesto

368367 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1153 of 1993 🔗

Lockdown Sceptics are already being talked about as if they’re ISIS and over the coming weeks and months Republicans across the pond will be labelled domestic terrorists and hunted down as if they’re Al Quaeda (the seeds have already been sown).

368378 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #1154 of 1993 🔗

sorry, wrong place.

368398 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1155 of 1993 🔗

…as the Bishop said to the actress…

368302 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 26, #1156 of 1993 🔗

It’s wall-to-wall Biden and wokism for the rest of the day on the TV, mask mandate and all. Whatever you might think of Mr Trump at a personal level, it is difficult to avoid praising him for not starting an unnecessary war that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in far off lands. As sure as night follows day, the industrial-military complex stooge in the hot seat now will start where his Democrat and Republican swamp colleagues left off. Oh, the fashion magazines will be lost for the next four years without the most elegant and high class first lady since Mrs Kennedy.

368348 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 8, #1157 of 1993 🔗

As my label suggests i’ve no sympathy for socialism but the sanctions on various countries Venezuela, Syria etc were acts of war(hybrid war) harming mostly innocent civilians ! Hes had many other abhorrent policies.

BUT he was the one thing standing in the way of neo-liberal globalism. Sadly they’ll increase their efforts to advance their agendas now, in a perverse way trump has unintendedly actually handed them greater power.

As for Trump, he’s finished, they’ll annihilate him in the courts & on the media it’ll be all he can do to defend himself, he wont be back as a political force & I suspect the Clinton mafia democrats will legislate heavily against any trump legacy.

The power grab will just gain a tighter hold.

368526 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Anti_socialist, #1158 of 1993 🔗

I’m not sure I would write off someone who polled 75m. Sanctions on both countries pre-date Trump, both directly and indirectly through proxies largely relating to the oil market.

368602 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1159 of 1993 🔗

If the globalists have their way there will be no oil market. people will extract/sell oil for as long as its profitable but i doubt it will be much longer.

368605 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1160 of 1993 🔗

Trump will have no voice, he won first time because he was an underestimated underrated outsider, but they wont make that mistake again he will be crucified & forgotten by the majority of that 75m.

368410 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #1161 of 1993 🔗

Trump was very good until the CCP Virus and his confinement for months to the White House got to him mentally. He didn’t really find himself again until after he got the virus himself, then he hit the perfect message at the end of the campaign and if truth be told he won those disputed swing states.

He should have conceded though when the Supreme court wouldn’t hear the Texas case. There was nowhere to go after that and then the fractures in the GOP vote cost the Georgia Senate run-offs. So the rancid Schumer controls the Senate, as corrupt as any human can be.

368498 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to nottingham69, 1, #1162 of 1993 🔗

Yes, agree, he was never going to overcome the Supreme Court and the influence of RINO judges.

368310 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 9, #1163 of 1993 🔗

The union representing staff where my wife works has finally succeeded in forcing through ‘voluntary weekly testing’. More ‘cases’ coming up! I despair.

368312 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #1164 of 1993 🔗

As long as it is not the q tip right up the nose test

368311 Fred, replying to Fred, 22, #1165 of 1993 🔗

I wouldn’t bank on it, you falafel-munching, globalist, identitarian automatons!

368335 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Fred, 11, #1166 of 1993 🔗

They deserve everything that’s coming to them with creepy sniffing Biden.

368365 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Ganjan21, #1167 of 1993 🔗

Check this out from YouGov. Frightening. The Don’t knows (21%) are all a complete waste of space.

368394 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #1168 of 1993 🔗

YOUGOV polls are the worst of the worst MSM polls

368488 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to nottingham69, 2, #1169 of 1993 🔗

They were born out of Blair’s ‘third way’ movement (even though the founders are nominal Tories)… they are up to their necks in the global elitist gaslighting of Joe Normal.

368430 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1170 of 1993 🔗

LOL I stopped looking at polls when I banned the BBC in my house more than 10 years ago.

They only tell you what they want you to think.

368337 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Fred, 8, #1171 of 1993 🔗

I was reminded today of something Hilary Clinton said in an inteview a few months ago. I don’t have any strong feelings either way for most politicians so didn’t think much of it at the time. In the context of everything that’s happened since it does resonate a lot more.

When asked if she had anything to say to Trump this is what she said:

“Give us our country back”

The implication being that The USA belongs to the Democrats.

368364 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Nobody2021, 14, #1172 of 1993 🔗

I am no Trump fan or particularily into US politics but I hate how the media don’t report on what good things he has done for the country. Clearly biased on every level. And that footage of Biden inappropriately sniffing and whispering into kids ears is utterly…….I am astounded that people could elect such a man.

368493 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ganjan21, #1173 of 1993 🔗

It’s not the media’s business to report on the good things that anyone has done. Their business is to drive clicks, sell advertising and accrue access to (and influence over) power.

368397 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Fred, -3, #1174 of 1993 🔗

… and while we’re on the subject of cults … lets divert to Trump …

368406 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Fred, 5, #1175 of 1993 🔗

Unfortunately I think the headline is correct. Biden is proposing to legalise the illegal immigrants in the USA, all 11 million of them. There is a wave of immigrant heading towards the border. with a stroke of a pen the US population will increase by 3% with 4 more years of unfettered immigration and who do you think they will vote for?

368468 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #1176 of 1993 🔗

And who do younthink the non-immigrants will vote for?

368505 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Annie, #1177 of 1993 🔗

What will that even matter in 4 years time?

368474 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #1178 of 1993 🔗

isnt that what Blair did during his premiership.

368504 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to mj, 2, #1179 of 1993 🔗
368317 John P, replying to John P, 12, #1180 of 1993 🔗

Just thought I’d give a little shout out for James and Laura’s chinwag #10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaWG1RPD1t8

I haven’t watched them all, but I thought this one was especially good.

Like Toby Young, I don’t always agree with James, but I still think he’s one of the best conservative-with-a-small-c commentators out there and a fine lockdown sceptic. I am a regular listener to his podcasts.

368442 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to John P, 2, #1181 of 1993 🔗

I completely agree! I live vicariously through James and Laura as I don’t have anyone with whom I can bitch and moan for that long. My husband is on the same side but has little tolerance for talking about it all. It’s very cathartic listening to them!

368509 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1182 of 1993 🔗

Agree – I need this too, though James has gone farther down the rabbit hole than I have. Still, it’s so good to hear both of them clearly pointing out how important freedom is, making no apologies.

368472 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to John P, 2, #1183 of 1993 🔗

It’s groundhog day with those two now. They’re clearly having an e-romance.

Still, it’s better than that utter bampot he’s had on most recently.

368321 High Hopes, replying to High Hopes, 48, #1184 of 1993 🔗

First time poster – avid follower of LS. I wear a mask exempt lanyard and have experienced no issues in large supermarkets, a wine merchants or garden centres. I often make of point of asking an assistant for something and always receive a cheery response.
I try to get out and about as I quite like the idea of building up my immunity – I worry that some of my friends who have shielded throughout will have problems when they finally make it beyond their gardens. My user name reflects Frank Sinatra’s wonderful song – not always my state of mind – but I like to think of myself (and the other sceptics) as ants gnawing away at the rubber tree plant – I listen to the song quite often and can recommend it if hopes are low.

368439 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to High Hopes, 4, #1185 of 1993 🔗

Thanks for your post! Always nice to hear positive stories. I agree with you about trying to keep our immune systems working during this sanitized way of living. While I don’t get out much — at all now as we are in a “state of emergency” — I have never sanitized my hands and don’t wipe down groceries, etc. I encourage as many visitors as possible, but we haven’t seen anyone since early January as we are under stay-at-home orders and people are afraid of being fined if stopped by the police. But I agree that people who have lived a sanitized bubble existence are going to be in for a wold of pain of they ever leave the house again.

368467 ▶▶ Annie, replying to High Hopes, 3, #1186 of 1993 🔗

Welcome, and yes, keep hopes high! They can’t vanquish scepticism and they can’t vanquish people like us! Cheers for us!

368707 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to High Hopes, 2, #1187 of 1993 🔗

A nice antidote to my own feelings these days, which are more in the nature of a desire to see what Spring is like on Jupiter or Mars.

Welcome to Below The Line.

368325 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #1188 of 1993 🔗
368431 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, #1189 of 1993 🔗

R seems to be levelling off at about that value.

368448 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mattghg, #1190 of 1993 🔗

yes, lower than the 0.85 after march spike

368330 HoMojo, replying to HoMojo, 14, #1191 of 1993 🔗

I know no research is exhaustive but I cannot find one, not one, recommendation from either scientists or commentators for lockdowns before the idea was imposed on us by the CCP. Funny that.

368376 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to HoMojo, 4, #1192 of 1993 🔗

I dont like the CCP.

I don’t like lockdowns.

.. but just how did the CCP impose lockdowns on the rest of us?

368384 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to rockoman, 1, #1193 of 1993 🔗

The idea.

368734 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to HoMojo, 2, #1195 of 1993 🔗

The Chinese Communist Party did not force Boris Johnson to introduce the lockdowns.

368765 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, #1196 of 1993 🔗

Yes – but narcissists always whine that ‘It wasn’t me’

368343 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 25, #1197 of 1993 🔗

Covid is a cult. They cultists believe the prophecy. It is pointless trying to educate a Covidian. They believe and that is it. They will go to their graves believing

‘When Prophecy Fails’ is an interesting examination and explanation of the phenomena of cults.

When the prophecy fails (that the world didn’t end on a certain day etc) the cultist seek out and find reasons as to why the prophecy did not come to pass. The cultist will argue that the prophecy would have come true if only Mrs Miggins hadn’t put here cat out the night before or some equally batshit idea

Accepting that it was foolish and stupid to think the world would end on a particular day would be too much for the cultist to bear.

The Covidians have had a year of explanations served up to them by the dictatorships. ‘Rule breakers’ is the current explanation they have latched onto

My point is that the vaccine has been held up by the Pig Dictator and Mandy as a route to salvation. When the rollout fails, and the vaccine is proved to be ineffective who are they going to turn on?

368355 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1198 of 1993 🔗

Viral mutations and then the merry-go-round starts again.

368382 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1199 of 1993 🔗

Farmers – they will blame MOO-TATORS

368392 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1200 of 1993 🔗

Cows in jackets will be replacing the family favourite pigs in blankets.

368403 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1201 of 1993 🔗

They will blame herd mutiny

368460 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1202 of 1993 🔗

The unvaccinated, obviously.

368732 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1203 of 1993 🔗

For those who are pushing the coronavirus narrative, whatever happens proves they are right.

368345 DThom, replying to DThom, 5, #1204 of 1993 🔗

Given the fact that the PCR test us totally useless, what medical procedure could 100% confirm that a person has the virus? Would it be a blood test?

368347 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to DThom, 4, #1205 of 1993 🔗

if they die then its deffo covid

368363 ▶▶ leggy, replying to DThom, #1206 of 1993 🔗

I’d have thought bloods would be preferable. One would at least not get a positive result if your body’s first line of immune defence had defeated the virus leaving residual genetic material in the upper respiratory tract.

368463 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to DThom, 4, #1207 of 1993 🔗

There can be no tests that guarantee that an illness is Covid-19. The Sars-cov-2, coronavirus, which allegedly causes Covid-19, has never been isolated and is as yet nothing more than a computer model. It’s impossible to have a test or a vaccine for something that doesn’t actually exist.

Covid-19 seems is likely seasonal flu, that has been expensively and extensively repackaged. The whole Covid event is a globalist venture, aided by corrupt and complicit governments. The event will make certain already mega rich globalists much richer, but its real purpose is to bring about massive global depopulation, by means of intentionally harmful “vaccines”.

368609 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Rowan, #1208 of 1993 🔗

When I search for “koch postulates” on the net, I get lots of articles telling me what it is, but then there’s always the “fact checkers”…

“The Covid-19 virus has been isolated many times – Full Fact”

I didn’t even search for Covid 19, but this is one of the top hits.

Can anyone fact check this fact checker for us?

368484 ▶▶ jb12, replying to DThom, #1209 of 1993 🔗

Weren’t the Chinese taking scans of patients’ lungs to confirm?

368752 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to jb12, #1210 of 1993 🔗

They were attributing the lung scarring to Covid but they weren’t demonstrating that this is indeed the case.

368499 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DThom, 1, #1211 of 1993 🔗

Autopsy on the dead would be a start.

368346 Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), 4, #1212 of 1993 🔗

Medically Accelerated Epidemics comment image

In the normal course of events — and as we are so often told by political and media experts — admissions lag behind cases, and deaths lag behind admissions. Yet when we look at the chart above, which presents various measures for England — the methodology will be explained shortly — the lags are rather conspicuous by their absence. From around about Christmas Day onwards, tests, positives and admissions have been in lockstep, while deaths have shown a lag, but only a short one, of about seven days. The peaks in both positives and admissions — both are currently in decline — are only two days apart. None of this makes any sense at all.

https://dr-no.co.uk/2021/01/17/medically-accelerated-epidemics/

368349 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), 5, #1213 of 1993 🔗

It does if the figures are bent

368407 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cecil B, #1214 of 1993 🔗

And of course the figures are bent, you could bet your house on it.

368351 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), 6, #1215 of 1993 🔗

The attribution of hospital and ICU admissions and deaths to covid has been so obfuscated that it’s just not possible to make much sense of it – either this is deliberate or they just don’t care

368408 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Julian, 3, #1216 of 1993 🔗

It’s deliberate and of course they don’t care one jot who knows it, as long as the sheep stay asleep.

368414 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Julian, 1, #1217 of 1993 🔗

It makes a lot more sense if a lot of the +ve tests were in hospital. It makes almost no sense otherwise

368453 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to matt, #1218 of 1993 🔗

Yes, of course – tests on patients admitted with other serious problems.

368352 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), #1219 of 1993 🔗

FPs

368353 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), 9, #1220 of 1993 🔗

I posted about this a couple of days ago. I suspect deaths & hospitalisations have always mainly been nosocomial. Over 80% of all hospital admissions were first tested/ diagnosed in hospital.
It’s likely that people, about to die in hospital are tested, admitted & die all within a couple of days.

368379 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Sarigan (Day 303 of lockdown), 9, #1221 of 1993 🔗

Brilliant! Many thanks. Brightened the day, and that was just the comments:

‘My brother, two months off 80, in care home having had a stroke 4 years ago, progressive dementia, unable to speak, becoming frail. He tested negative after a test on Monday, week before Christmas, then was tested again on the Friday, the results back on Monday of Christmas week being positive. No further test was done to confirm.
The Sunday evening after Christmas the home informed us he had CoVid. Symptoms confirming this diagnosis being diarrhoea, tiredness, loss of appetite. On Tuesday evening we were informed he was out of bed, eating normally and in good spirits. I think too much Christmas goodies, but now he is a CoVid statistic, probably x 2, the test and then the disease. Also perhaps first case of ‘Short CoVid’.

We were told he had the same symptoms as the other residents who had had CoVid, all now statistics.’

‘…just now I was listening to Dr Sucharit Bhakti’s video interview in the course of which he mentions that 60 people were recently ordered to quarantine in Germany because they tested positive. They requested a second test, and 58 tested negative with two marginal positives (almost certainly due to too many cycles).’

Reference above

368433 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1222 of 1993 🔗

I understand right, several people in the care home had diarrhoea at the same time? Rather food related than covid!
Did they do PCR tests which were picked up by a courier on friday? What is the likelihood they sat at the lab for more than 48h before being processed? The likelihood they produce a fp is higher then.
I once had a home test, it clearly stated not to do the test at the weekend, as it will sit in the system too long and the results could be affected.

368360 PWL, replying to PWL, 3, #1223 of 1993 🔗

So, how’s your alternative and assigned-to-be-dissident corporate media doing leading you out of the coronahoax economic blockade, folks?

Latest ICNARC Graphs: Amongst General Reattribution Of Other Illness To Covid-19, Pneumonia From Flu Is A Thing Of The Past

368441 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 4, #1224 of 1993 🔗

If you’re referring to this site as “leading us”, I don’t think there are many of us being led. Quite capable of thinking for myself thank you very much.

Regarding the link, I think many of us here are familiar with the idea that there is a lot of misattribution of illness and death to covid going on

368489 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PWL, 1, #1225 of 1993 🔗

Always a good read at FBEL

I think if the misattribution is that obvious, and even I can follow the authors line of reasoning, it’s not a very good plot is it? It’s certainly not USA voter fraud level.

So it’s either wrong, which is possible, or the NHS doctors are biggest load of corrupt, mindless, government operatives we’ve ever seen.

368362 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #1226 of 1993 🔗

Masks increase mortality because they nebulize viruses making it easier for them to reach the lung’s alveoli.

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1351483569974218752

368519 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Victoria, 1, #1227 of 1993 🔗

Shame there’s no evidence or link to a study that I can see.

368741 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to muzzle, #1228 of 1993 🔗

The evidence isn’t the masks per say it’s that nebulised material is easier to reach the lung aveoli. That’s one reason why nebulisers are used in various scenarios. The key is do masks nebulise? It appears they do.

368371 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 6, #1229 of 1993 🔗

Deaths within 28 days of a +ve test is the headline figure used by the BBC and others. The number currently being reported appears to be higher than the 2019 average for deaths from all causes. This suggests that COVID is now the only cause of death in the UK! Surely we can’t be be being fed propaganda?

368381 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Polemon2, 1, #1230 of 1993 🔗

Yes. The ONS reported the super-killer rating for Covid from the PHE/NHS data morass with a straight face. My guess is that they were laughing behind their hand – because it was plainly so ridiculous – and waiting for others to pick up the ball.

368373 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #1231 of 1993 🔗

WHO is an expert on IVERMECTIN? Chris Whitty. Who has remained silent on Ivermectin? Chris Whitty.

Ivermectin can end the mortality from Covid19 in a few days.


https:// academic.oup.com/jid/article/20 2/1/113/888773

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1351213488270692357

368434 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Victoria, 1, #1232 of 1993 🔗

Some of the comment really are from retards. This is for malaria. No shit shirlock that’s not the point of the post.

368424 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1234 of 1993 🔗

Surprise! The flu hasn’t disappeared after all. Dolores Cahill is a true heroine.

368454 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1235 of 1993 🔗

this sounds quite huge if true – Mayo – comment please

368462 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #1236 of 1993 🔗

will the sars2 vaccine work against influenza A or B?

368723 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Major Panic, #1237 of 1993 🔗

I doubt it. But it is not even an effective vaccine for the coronavirus itself.

368525 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1238 of 1993 🔗

Watch this space.

368531 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PastImperfect, #1239 of 1993 🔗

Don’t leave out the other Ronas
They can be as deadly to anyone with one foot in the fridge……I meant grave

368567 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to PastImperfect, #1240 of 1993 🔗

If this turns out to be the case (and I’m not doubting her), this is huge with big hairy bells on it.

368375 Portnadler, replying to Portnadler, 11, #1241 of 1993 🔗

Please could someone kindly check these facts for me (I cannot quite believe them myself):

Number of hospitals in UK: approx 1200
Number of covid deaths on current “worst days”: approx 1200
Average number of covid deaths per hospital per day: 1
Number of hospital beds in the UK: approx 160,000
Number of hospital beds per covid death per day: 133

Do these figures, if correct, really match people’s perception of the pandemic?

368389 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Portnadler, 1, #1242 of 1993 🔗

Can’t confirm the numbers for you but it seems likely that the problem is mainly in the larger cities.

In my postcode area there have been about 20 covid deaths out of roughly 60k population since this all started.

368396 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nobody2021, #1243 of 1993 🔗

mine is 180 out of 180k

369030 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to steve_w, #1244 of 1993 🔗

In mine – since March – its a total of 6 deaths with covid on the death cert – out of pop102,900 (2014).

368418 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #1245 of 1993 🔗

We have 395 Covid cases in ICU in a province of over 13 million people. The hospitals in the bigger cities are always overwhelmed and run at 100%+ capacity much of the time, and always in the winter. In my county, we have 35 “cases,” 2 in hospital at the moment and 0 deaths since the whole insanity started. Why am I under house arrest???

368416 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Portnadler, 1, #1246 of 1993 🔗

Not all those hospitals will have ICU beds & will unlikely accept confirmed covid19 paitents, its a nuanced narrative!

If theres a health care crisis its NHS incompetence & government maladministration.

368423 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Portnadler, 1, #1247 of 1993 🔗

I suspect your figure for total beds may be too high. I have a figure in mind of around 90K for England. I also recall seeing charts showing Covid patients occupying a third or less of total beds. But I agree with your general sentiment, particularly since the NHS is apparently cancelling or postponing other non-urgent procedures.

368390 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #1248 of 1993 🔗

I understand that Chinas GDP rose 6.5% in the last quarter of 2020 and the overall economy ended up 2.3% higher than when it started at the beginning of the year. Some are saying a V shaped recovery.

I wonder what our economic figures will be like?

368458 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1249 of 1993 🔗

The figures to watch are public finances – out in the next few days from the ONS for December.

Take those GDP figures with a spoonful of salt.

368560 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to rockoman, #1250 of 1993 🔗

Yes, take anything from China with a spoonful of salt.

368527 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1251 of 1993 🔗

Only major economy to post positive GDP numbers for 2020.

Funny that.

368709 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1252 of 1993 🔗

It would be very strange if the economy of China had not grown. That would have been newsworthy.

368983 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Smelly Melly, #1253 of 1993 🔗

Fiction. 🙂

368402 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1254 of 1993 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=happenings+ten+years+time+ago+yardbirds

Bullshit to Boris and co. I guess we’ll have to pull a rabbit out of a hat before then.

368438 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1255 of 1993 🔗

https://surfshark.com/blog/digital-censorship-2020
1 in 6 countries shutting down their internet.

368475 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1256 of 1993 🔗

I’ve had a sinking feeling for a while now that this would be the ultimate ”punishment”. Of course, it may come back – but ”cleansed”.
Perhaps we should say our goodbyes now.

368517 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Banjones, 1, #1257 of 1993 🔗

China model

368523 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1258 of 1993 🔗

Precisely.

It’s Xitler’s world now.

We just live in it.

368404 embergalaxy, replying to embergalaxy, 32, #1259 of 1993 🔗

I am utterly astounded how this is being accepted by what the masses. The frustration I feel about all of this is overwhelming, why are people accepting this? I just don’t understand.

368428 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to embergalaxy, 11, #1260 of 1993 🔗

They are brain dead. I don’t know why but they’ve fallen for the Scamdemic hook, line and sinker!

368443 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to embergalaxy, 30, #1261 of 1993 🔗

Me too. I had a very dispiriting conversation with one of my suppliers just now when I bumped into him in the street. I thought, bearing in mind he was outside and not wearing a mask and that this is decimating his business also, that he’d be on side. But no, just as I’d finished my tirade against the authorities, he uttered that dread phrase “if everyone had just done as they were told”. Depressing.

368528 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 22, #1262 of 1993 🔗

Oh Jeez. I had conversations with people back in the day when you could face to face or face to muzzle (December was the last time I think). They would listen to me mildly explaining about real death rates and FPR of PCR and the fact that lockdowns have tended to start after we see a downturn so they can’t have been the reason for the downturn. The other person has nodded and said something that indicates they have understood. Then no more than minutes later out comes the usual BS about if only everyone complied or it’ll be better once we have the vaccine. Some of these are people whose small business are being ruined by the lockdown.
I actually think most people deserve it. I just want to know how I get off this merry go round of hell.

368516 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to embergalaxy, 9, #1263 of 1993 🔗

Many slaves love their chains and cannot imagine life without them.

368714 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1264 of 1993 🔗

yes, but what is shocking is how quickly they took to the lives of slaves – like a duck to water. if only a year ago you could have described to these people how they would be living, and what they would be thinking, they would have asked you what you were smoking

368564 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to embergalaxy, 1, #1265 of 1993 🔗

Welcome to my world! I say this every day and have been since March.

368426 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1266 of 1993 🔗

I don’t know if any of you out there have an elderly relative in a care home but my husbands family has just been advised MiL’s care home fees will rise to an annual charge of 50,000, yes 50,000 per year. That’s a rise of 13%! Scandalous!!

368457 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1267 of 1993 🔗

What does it cost to keep a convict in solitary confinement?

368555 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Annie, 1, #1268 of 1993 🔗

You don’t have to pay someone to wipe their arse though.

368464 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1269 of 1993 🔗

That is outrageous.

368497 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1270 of 1993 🔗

she can come and live with me for 10K?….I have two 92 year old parents!!!…..

368635 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1271 of 1993 🔗

Great option.

Care fees (mediocre care) will become so expensive that older people will be better off to share homes and employ permanent carers

368642 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Victoria, 3, #1272 of 1993 🔗

I’ve often thought that – if 10 older folks bought a block of flats and hired their own carers/nurses/staff it would be much cheaper and under their own management – i guess more difficult if dementia etc

368513 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1273 of 1993 🔗

Care fees for children and learning disabilities dwarf the pittance paid for our elderly, despite the fact that Lord Sumption is attacked for suggesting this isn’t the case.

368547 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1274 of 1993 🔗

Is that for a basic package or does it include some extra? Might be worth trying to get Continuous Health Care though I imagine the wait for an assessment will be like Waiting for Godot. Are you claiming attendance allowance?

368685 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1275 of 1993 🔗

It includes bi-annual covid vaccines until they find the one that finishes you.

368553 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1276 of 1993 🔗

I’ve told my kids to leave me outside in the garden once I become a financial burden.

368427 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 20, #1277 of 1993 🔗

Nice to see the mainstream media today literally WETTING THEMSELVES over Biden!!!!……we are all being royally FUCKED

368450 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Luckyharry69, 9, #1278 of 1993 🔗

Vomit buckets all round here. Going to avoid it all for the rest of the day.

368459 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to Luckyharry69, 15, #1279 of 1993 🔗

A sad, dark day. The last major line of resistance neatly dispensed with, leaving a free ride for the plutocracy with Joe ‘Build Back Better’ Biden happy to oblige.

368480 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to happychappy, 11, #1280 of 1993 🔗

How long will sleepy Joe last before that cunt bitch is in the Whitehouse

368490 ▶▶▶▶ happychappy, replying to Jaguarpig, 5, #1281 of 1993 🔗

He should get someone to taste his food before he eats…

368492 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Jaguarpig, 3, #1282 of 1993 🔗

I will give him 2 years perhaps…..they will have to get her in relatively quickly…….

368506 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #1283 of 1993 🔗

Not a chance he lasts anywhere near that long, imo. Judging by his appearances on the campaign trail it might take him 2 years to tie his shoes.

368675 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Luckyharry69, #1284 of 1993 🔗

Not even 2 dog years.
(divide by 7 in case you didn’t know)

368591 ▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Jaguarpig, 2, #1285 of 1993 🔗

Put it this way. Mrs. Biden doesn’t get to choose the curtains!

368514 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1287 of 1993 🔗

Washington Post, aka Bezos’ Blog is already saying job #1 for Biden is rooting out, “the domestic insurgency.”

You can be sure US sceptics will fall under that umbrella.

368702 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1288 of 1993 🔗

Washington Post, Bezos = CIA.

368558 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1289 of 1993 🔗

I noticed the lickspittle Sopel was frotting himself about Pee Pads and Knee Pads channelling Robert & Grace Mugabe in their quest to do a re run of Venezuela.

368571 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1290 of 1993 🔗

Pee Pads and Knee Pads? I thought it was Jo and Ho.

368435 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 21, #1291 of 1993 🔗

Own up…..
Metro.co.uk: Teens ‘put superglue in hand sanitiser bottle and offered it by shop’.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/20/teens-put-superglue-in-hand-sanitiser-bottle-and-offered-it-by-shop-13933192/

368456 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1292 of 1993 🔗

I am in fits of laughter.
Sorry. Heeeeeeheeeeee.
Wasn’t me.Honest.
Heeeeeeheeeeheeeeeee…..

368436 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 39, #1293 of 1993 🔗

The BBC is reporting the sad death of a 96 year old lady, one of a pair of identical twins. Of course with a positive test. Possibly the virus was the primary COD. However we are talking about someone 12 years over the average life expectancy. Can we now expect the MSM to report EVERY death? Try getting life insurance at the age of 96.

Let me be clear. I lost my Mum when she was 102 (before Covid was a thing) and we all shed a tear or two. My sympathies lie with the family and the surviving twin. However despite the ambitions of Boris and Mrs. Krankie you can’t legislate against death, not even by Orders in Council!

This is not front page news.

368446 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to eastender53, 23, #1294 of 1993 🔗

I would prefer to hear a report of the death of the BBC.

368512 ▶▶ Elenesse, replying to eastender53, 19, #1295 of 1993 🔗

The whole shitshow seems to be down to a certain section of society being unable to deal with the concept of death as a natural occurrence, so they prefer to deny reality instead. I’m sorry, but the death of a 96 year old is not “shocking” or “tragic”, it’s a natural end to life. Sad for the family but certainly not newsworthy. I wish the hysterical bedwetters would just accept this reality and stop getting in a tizzy about old people dying!

368655 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Elenesse, 7, #1296 of 1993 🔗

My parents are both dead…and I am glad they are frankly. Partly because they had reached a natural end like my dog did and partly because at least they missed this utter shit show.

368533 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to eastender53, 9, #1297 of 1993 🔗

My 96 year old uncle went to get his jab the other day, and I really did think why. The whole think is just plain weird.

368593 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to eastender53, 9, #1298 of 1993 🔗

96-year old dies in January is now headline news. Sooner the BBC disappears the better.

368652 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to eastender53, 5, #1299 of 1993 🔗

FFS 96! When you think of the age that geniuses like Mozart, Schubert and Chopin died at..ie about one third of that…and look at the enormous legacy left to Western Art. Now that really was a tragedy. Why cant people just be grateful for 96 years rather than moaning that they have somehow been short changed?

368693 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to eastender53, 2, #1300 of 1993 🔗

Of course.it is possible to legislate against death. Parliament, being sovereign, could pass a law making it illegal tomorrow, if it wished: but, it would have zero effect on people dying.

368836 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to eastender53, 1, #1301 of 1993 🔗

How is it sad? More of a relief surely.

I sincerley hope i dont live to 96 wondering if tomorrows gonna be the last day & most people that age don’t have much quality of life, i don’t envy them having some one else wipe their bottom & the dribble from their mouth.

369172 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1302 of 1993 🔗

and being abused and neglected by a fat cow in a hazmat suit.

368444 Basics, replying to Basics, 26, #1303 of 1993 🔗

Moira Finn GP
“The only virus circulating at the moment is is covid, so if you have and nasal or respirotory symtoms whatsoever it is covid until proven otherwise.”

Listen with your own ears – 19 mins in
https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2021-01-19T10_57_36-08_00

What kind of fuckery is this? indeed.

368473 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Basics, 17, #1304 of 1993 🔗

So if I sneeze or need a tissue to blow my nose I have to assume I have Covid? Have my entire family self isolate for 10 days. Fuck, when will people get a grip!

368478 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 12, #1305 of 1993 🔗

I suppose in the same vein, if you have no nasal or respiratory symptoms whatsoever, then you have asymptomatic covid until proven otherwise. FFS.

368487 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 8, #1306 of 1993 🔗

If there was no CPR test/lateral test it these respiratory symptoms would have been know as flu. The symptoms for covid and the symptoms for flu are very close to being identical

We all know how unreliable these tests are

368496 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 9, #1307 of 1993 🔗

If you have symptoms, you’re actually not ill – you’re asymptomatically healthy

368508 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Basics, 1, #1308 of 1993 🔗

So, it’s just the seasonal flu then.

368554 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Basics, 8, #1309 of 1993 🔗

Well that’s me fucked then, must have had covid for 10 years with my chronic rhinitis

368620 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Basics, 7, #1310 of 1993 🔗

So I thought it was an allergy that caused my alternately runny or blocked nose, for which I take prescription medicine. I was clearly wrong I must have had f***ing covid for years now.

368770 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to dhpaul, 3, #1311 of 1993 🔗

Does catarrh count?Had it all my life.

369059 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Annie, 1, #1312 of 1993 🔗

Likewise. I will have to sue my doctor who misdiagnosed my covid 19 cough as acid reflux.

368469 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 19, #1313 of 1993 🔗

I’ve just been listening to and reading reports on Ivermectin’s use against coercovid. I’m not surprised that this isn’t receiving much attention – it seems to be effective at most stages. No need for a vaccine with all these theraputics and prophylactics around!

Ivermectin’s cheap – so of course it’s of no interest to those out to make a lot of money out of this ”terrifying pandemic”.

368471 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Banjones, 3, #1314 of 1993 🔗
368530 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Banjones, 1, #1315 of 1993 🔗

Coercovid a typo I assume but made me think Coercid.

368545 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #1316 of 1993 🔗

No, it wasn’t a typo. I was just experimenting with the word. I’ve used Coercid before – a bit snappier!

368587 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Banjones, 1, #1317 of 1993 🔗

Yep. See also Hcq and vitamin D.

368481 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #1318 of 1993 🔗

3rd graph here

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

whatever it is, its ridiculous

thoughts?

368486 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #1319 of 1993 🔗

Number of deaths of people whose death certificate mentioned COVID-19 as one of the causes”

possibly ‘had a covid-19 vaccination’?

368507 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 3, #1320 of 1993 🔗

This?

Surely that’s a fault with testing. Or IT issue. Certainly not natural. Has a Covid bomb hit the UK?

368541 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1321 of 1993 🔗

We’ve heard nothing about severe reactions to the vaccines here in the UK. (Or have I missed something?)
Perhaps this spike represents those – because if enough had tested ‘positive’ in the last month…. How convenient.

368598 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1322 of 1993 🔗

yes – I suppose if its not date of death then catching up from xmas

what is the bloody point of data like that
ONS and PHE should sort their acts out

368535 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to steve_w, 3, #1323 of 1993 🔗

It’s by date registered not date of death. There is always a lag around Christmas and New Year.

368483 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1324 of 1993 🔗

The ‘pain and suffering’ of Melbourne’s 111 day lockdown has been revealed

Sky News Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1YosN8rP8Q

368521 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #1325 of 1993 🔗

Tragic, what has made the politicians so bold, why do they think they are immune to the backlash that will inevitably come

368538 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1326 of 1993 🔗

Well, maybe they are. Perhaps they’ve been promised immunity by those who can deliver it. As well as riches, for some, beyond their wildest dreams.

368494 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 15, #1327 of 1993 🔗

From the DM today: Met Police Chief, Dame Cressida Dick, encouraged the public to report ‘persistent’ rule breakers to police.
She said yesterday: ‘If you do have concerns that somebody is persistently not complying with the restrictions, with the regulations, then you should talk to [police].’

So that would be: Tesco’s, Aldi, Sainsbury’s, Asda, Morrisons etc, etc ,etc

368569 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to vargas99, 11, #1328 of 1993 🔗

Dame Edna Everage and Sir Les Patterson are masterpieces of satirical imagination, but Dame Cressida Dick is Barry Humphries’ only real flop. Totally unfunny and really only the name works.

368773 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1329 of 1993 🔗

Foetida Dick.

368608 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to vargas99, 8, #1330 of 1993 🔗

Cressida Dick is the perfect reason why the police are sometimes known as the filth.

368643 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to JohnB, 4, #1331 of 1993 🔗

They will always be known as that to me from now on. Just got stopped by them today but was working so they had to back off. I was ambushed by a waiting police car when I came out of an estate with only one way out….I had clearly been reported by a snitcher.

368500 mj, replying to mj, 14, #1332 of 1993 🔗

watching inauguration .. cant tell if BBC or ITV has tongue further inserted .
Hypothesis. Biden is assassinated. VP takes over . “Right” are framed for assassination . Martial law. Very similar to final series of Homeland.

368511 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to mj, 2, #1333 of 1993 🔗

On the plus side you too can get your very own Biden mug for only $15 + shipping. act now while stocks last!
https://the-liberty-daily.myshopify.com/collections/shop-all/products/beijing-biden-mug

368543 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #1334 of 1993 🔗

What if I prefer mine to say, “Xiden?”

368539 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to mj, 3, #1335 of 1993 🔗

I had similar thoughts.

That scenario would also be used by the Marxists to stop ammo sales, grab guns, and end the Second Amendment.

368603 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1336 of 1993 🔗

Ammo is already just about sold out. Even self-loading devices to re-load cartridges are hard to get.

Which will make any large-scale grabbing of guns significantly perilous. 🙂 .

368913 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to mj, 1, #1337 of 1993 🔗

It could get even more interesting: Who will be the VP’s VP : Hillary Clinton? And we all know what seems to happen , mysteriously , to those who get in the way of the Clinton family’s ambitions and, in this instance, stand between Hillary and the Oval Office. But Harris must know that, you say. However is she the mistress of her own destiny?

369051 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to mj, #1338 of 1993 🔗

Here, you nicked my storyline. 🙂

368501 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 18, #1339 of 1993 🔗

60m people + 1 clown all listening to vallance??? Really? This is the UK or a low-IQ country?

368524 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to TheClone, 4, #1340 of 1993 🔗

‘Active Life Years Lost’

By mid-March that number will be 65 million in the UK.

368575 ▶▶ Basics, replying to TheClone, #1341 of 1993 🔗

Twas ever thus. The Tiny Dot.
https://youtu.be/H6b70TUbdfs

368503 number 6, replying to number 6, 17, #1342 of 1993 🔗

Said this before, but here’s another go………………………………………………………

On the various morality issues you and many others frequently debate is that of Life Years Lost, or similar. As an older member of society I find a stigma being attached to me / us from both directions of this argument, and this has led me to think deeply on the subject, and come to some conclusions that ‘MAY’ help to give a better definition of the issue.

Firstly the simple addition of the word ACTIVE, that is to say Active Life Years Lost. Ok I realise that is going against the current day mantra of preventing death by all known means irrespective of what life really means. I have made it clear to my family that I do NOT wish to be finally committed to a ‘Gulag’ (aka. Care Home) to vegetate, alive, by means of a constant supply of Medicines etc. Does society really relish a world depicted in Dennis Potter’s novel “Cold Lazarus” or the recent bbc Radio4 series “Tracks”?

So what is the concept of Active Life Years Lost? Well it will obviously relate to the difference between calendar age and the estimated life span, for example someone aged 40 could expect an active life of 45 Years assuming an average lifespan of 85 Years. { the maximum is considered approximately 100 Years according to Dr Sucharit Bhakdi. } Similarly someone aged 75 could expect an active life of 10 Years.

PLUS IMPORTANTLY REMAINING MENTALLY AWARE

When we apply the above criteria to the various NPI’s being applied now by governments to mitigate against the Wuhan Flu a somewhat different metric is revealed. A 25 year old has an Active Life span of 85-25=60 years, so the loss of Active Life Years, assuming a Hard Lockdown of 2 years would be 2 years lost out of 60 years or 3.3%. Now taking our 75 year old who has a remaining Active Lifespan of 10 years, with the same Lockdown, is 2 years out of 10 years, or 20%. Taking the case of people with a terminal illness the same logic may be applied. Our 25 year old may have a terminal prognosis of 5 years, hence their active lifespan has been reduced to (25+5)-25= 5 years. A 2 year lockdown would therefore have an impact on their expectations of 2 years out of 5, or 40%. Obviously this may change for better or worse depending on the actual course of their illness / condition.

A criticism of the above arguments is that it seemingly ignores those in their final days in a Nursing / Care home, or indeed a Hospice. This would be an incorrect conclusion as a little thought shows that these poor people most likely are the greatest losers in any quality of life left to them. Their actual lifespan may be negative in relation to the average of 85 years used in the above deliberations, so lets redefine it to be 85+ Estimated Time of Residence – (a euphemism for expected death) A figure I’ve seen gives this as 2 years, so our 85 year old may live till 87. This means, hopefully, they will remain cognisant for 2 years and in the event of a 2 year lockdown they will loose 100% of their remaining Active Life Years !!!!! And we actually see this in practice, residents being isolated from the only joy left to them, close loving physical contact with Family and Friends.

Those suffering from dementia deserve a mention as well. The main criterion I apply is how much mental activity remains, the final point being clinical brain death. As that point is approached the whole concept of lockdown and death becomes irrelevant. In the final analysis it is Mental Activity that must be the arbitrator.

A poignant example of Active Lifespan is the late Stephen Hawking CH CBE FRS FRSA. His disability would have been a death sentence for most, but his mental ability – genius – kept him alive despite all odds. He was active right upto his passing. Possibly, owing to the relentless progress of his condition making it increasingly difficult to communicate, a dignified exit occurred?

A possible criticism may be that younger healthy people suffer more because lockdowns seriously impact their future prospects – education, economic, social, family, HEALTH ,  [ it is the immune system which controls the outcome of any pathogen attack, and this immune system must be continually trained and updated ]
Very True, but the same applies to all, that is the evil and destructive reality of Lockdowns.

My conclusion:-
Lockdowns impact everyone equally, irrespective of age or any other metric …………………………………… LIFE IS FOR LIVING !!!!!

368532 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to number 6, 22, #1343 of 1993 🔗

Well said. I know of no middle-aged or elderly person who would have baulked at allowing life to continue so that the young (at no risk) could carry on living normally. They would all have ”taken a risk” themselves (if risk there were).
If these ruinous measures hadn’t been foisted upon us so that none of us had any choice, old or young, then no-one would have suffered, except for those unfortunate enough to become really ill – then they would have been taken care of by the ‘system’. And if the money spent on all the ludicrous ‘test and trace’ tosh, etc, had been used to brace the system temporarily then we’d be in a good place – and so, most importantly, would our young.

We have been insulted and cheated, coerced and manipulated since this whole scenario was devised, and the inflexible agenda followed.

368544 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to number 6, 27, #1344 of 1993 🔗

Agree. As I’ve lived more years than I have left, I resent the proportion of my remaining active life being trashed by the government. As a mother I resent those restrictions on my children more but even so, on my own behalf I’m pretty hopping mad. Never forget, never forgive.

368529 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 22, #1345 of 1993 🔗

1,820 deaths today from covid

Will easily hit 8,000 tomorrow

Does anyone believe this guff anymore?

Ok. Ok the Covidians do

368536 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1346 of 1993 🔗

And who are the 39k getting infected? Is the same ones going round on a conveyor belt.

368589 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1347 of 1993 🔗

I’ve wondered about those numbers particularly people who might be tested multiple times because of their job. There must be a “cutoff” for not counting people who test positive within a given period as two different tests.

368853 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1348 of 1993 🔗

It’s within a 7-day period I think. If you test positive on the last day of one period, and then again three days later into the next period, you’re counted twice.

368540 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1349 of 1993 🔗

There’s nothing to see in the NHS England dashboard, so, accepting that the figures on a reported basis are always manipulated to include many historic deaths, there must be a very significant number of care home deaths (again)?

368600 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #1350 of 1993 🔗

Sadly, I suspect a lot of them have given up the will to live.

368546 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Cecil B, 20, #1351 of 1993 🔗

A daily death rate that is considerably higher than India, Russia, Brazil and Mexico not to mention dwarfing anything else in Europe certainly indicates something extremely fishy is going on. It simply does not make sense.

368566 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 7, #1352 of 1993 🔗

Probably almost everyone in hospital for any reason has some fragment of virus in them, or the PCR test says they do

369137 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Julian, 2, #1353 of 1993 🔗

there are less than 700 dying daily in the NSH they must be mainly out in the care homes again

368582 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 3, #1354 of 1993 🔗

It’s reported today not died today

Just under half of the newly reported deaths reported occurred on Tuesday, while a further quarter took place on Monday or Sunday.

368585 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 1, #1355 of 1993 🔗

4 million people now jabbed. None of those countries you mention even come close.

368579 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1356 of 1993 🔗

The collaborators and sheep and Funguson won’t be satisfied until it reaches 4,000 a day.
Then they can shout: “Na,na, ne na na, told you so,told you so”.
LIES,LIES, AND MORE LIES!

368618 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1357 of 1993 🔗

Has it exceeded the number of actual deaths yet? I’ve been expecting that for weeks as this is clearly wrong.

368735 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, #1358 of 1993 🔗

The lockdown + mask + vaccine combo is a big limp dick

368537 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 8, #1359 of 1993 🔗

Its interesting to compare two of PHE’s National Ambulance ‘Syndromic Surveillance System Reports. If we were in the middle of a deadly epidemic, ambulances should be running around picking up people with breathing difficulties much more so than last year right? The were in April but are they now?

Here is a report looking back from 30th Dec 2019

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/855482/NASS_Bulletin_2019_52.pdf

Here is another looking back from 12th Jan 2021

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/952336/NASS_Bulletin_2021_01.pdf

The thing that strikes me is that everything looks completely the same as last year with respect to Ambulance calls picking up people with breathing difficulties (meaning that the rise as the start of this winter looks strikingly similar to the one at the start of winter 2019)

The main exception that we are seeing from one year to the net are more “Cardiac / Respiratory arrests” and also less calls relating to ‘Chest Pain’. Seems people are protecting the NHS and having Heart attacks at home instead. They clearly have been since April 2020, looking at the graphs.

Let me know if I am missing something or reading this wrong.

368568 ▶▶ mj, replying to theanalyst, 9, #1360 of 1993 🔗

according to some posters on here previously, ambulances are driving around empty with sirens going just for effect

368638 ▶▶▶ Apache, replying to mj, 3, #1361 of 1993 🔗

Well they do that a lot going to the call but it is rare to use sirens taking people to hospital.

368542 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 17, #1362 of 1993 🔗

I’ve stopped listening to TALKRADIO over the last few weeks….I just felt they were shifting towards the Establishment/Ofcom Agenda?…..Am I paranoid?….or is everybody out to get me?….

Have TalkRadio been ‘NOBBLED’?……

368550 ▶▶ nic, replying to Luckyharry69, 11, #1363 of 1993 🔗

No keep the faith

368570 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to nic, 4, #1364 of 1993 🔗

OK I will try…dont like Collins though…think hes a ‘Fifth Columnist’…..

368630 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Luckyharry69, 6, #1365 of 1993 🔗

Collins is a boring bedwetter in my opinion…and pro establishment through and through. I remember him saying how he left his deliveries in his garage for a couple of days before bringing them in lol.

368556 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Luckyharry69, 8, #1366 of 1993 🔗

I certainly get the feeling they have toned it down since the YouTube shenanigans. Juliet H-B has more than a hint of defeatism about her of late. I don’t think she has changed her personal opinion but is just being crushed by the onslaught.

368617 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 7, #1367 of 1993 🔗

Julia has been on fire with the damage lockdown is doing.

368633 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 2, #1368 of 1993 🔗

I am sure she has lots of instructions going into her head from her headphones.

368559 ▶▶ franknhonest, replying to Luckyharry69, 7, #1369 of 1993 🔗

Well Mike was pretty good today.

368586 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #1370 of 1993 🔗

They are certainly pro vaccine. Saying that what’s happened to Yeadon? he’s been quiet lately.

368616 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1371 of 1993 🔗

Perhaps he’s had some sort of breakdown, I thought a while ago that he was getting “too involved”, tweeting at early hours etc. I think he thought that his video about 3 months ago would change the fake-science narrative. Either he’s disillusioned and taking a step back, or he’s very busy on something. Let’s hope it’s the latter.

368645 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jo, #1372 of 1993 🔗

I see multiple tweets from him every day!

368861 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Jo, 3, #1373 of 1993 🔗

I hope he’s still working with the German Corona Committee.

368628 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1374 of 1993 🔗

It depends on the guest, and perhaps they don’t want to battle non-stop for three hours every day. Must be exhausting. Imagine if our job here was to counter pro-lockdown propaganda constantly and publicly with authority figures. Actually…

368733 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #1375 of 1993 🔗

I defy anyone not to have a wobble after a death threat.

368548 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 36, #1376 of 1993 🔗

The “Stay Home. Saves Lives” message that is shown on the motorway is widely optimistic. Anybody reading it is already out of their home.

368590 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Hubes, 12, #1377 of 1993 🔗

When I was on a cross country last week, I passed one of them. Then saw another one flashing up ahead. I was relieved to discover when closer that it was about “Salt Spreading” and not something else spreading.

368637 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Hubes, 6, #1378 of 1993 🔗

I had to laugh the other day when I passed one of those signs at the same time as my SatNav was warning me of queueing traffic ahead

368703 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Hubes, 8, #1379 of 1993 🔗

Back last April I was screaming in the car at the signs telling me to stay home. I’d literally yell, “Too late fuckers, I’m already out.” I’m not lying when I say one of the reasons I left the city for good was the anxiety I’d get every time we drove back in from our country place (now permanent home) from the highway propaganda as we approached. Only to be followed by the sight of masked zombies everywhere — inside and outside (where it’s not even mandatory). Each trip back in became more dystopian and I couldn’t bear living in a condo with zealots everywhere just waiting for one of them to challenge me on not wearing a mask. Good riddance. Rural roads are so peaceful and propaganda free!

368783 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Hubes, 11, #1380 of 1993 🔗

I crossed at least 8 Tier boundaries over the Christmas and NY breaks and none of them said Welcome to Tier n. Just kept telling me to Stay Local or Stay Home. Bit rude.

Tier 1 remains on my bucket list.

368804 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Hubes, #1381 of 1993 🔗

“If you’re reading this you’re too close!”

368549 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 6, #1382 of 1993 🔗

China attempting to ramp hysteria with lockdowns over new, “mutant strain,” in Beijing:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/china-locks-down-another-17mm-mutant-covid-invades-beijing-dutch-plan-first-curfew-ww2

C’mon man!

368563 ▶▶ Julian, replying to awildgoose, 11, #1383 of 1993 🔗

They noticed support for lockdowns was flagging

368552 nic, replying to nic, 6, #1384 of 1993 🔗

They keep going on about desths . But am I wrong in saying in a bad flu season there are 1 k deaths regularly in january.

368561 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to nic, 5, #1385 of 1993 🔗

Over 10,000 people a week die normally in the UK.

The Euromomo graphs show that we are elevated this year over normal in England.

We are currently very slightly in excess of the surge we had with the last bad flu in 2018.

368581 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to nic, 15, #1386 of 1993 🔗

I predict covid19 deaths will be higher this time round than april for 2 reasons.

1.) This will be its first full winter season after it established itself here.

&

2.) Due to the first lockdown delaying deaths (marginally) & preventing build up of natural herd immunity.

Oh and thirdly government bods have gotten better at manipulating figures thanks to lockdown sceptics pointing out all their errors.

368604 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Anti_socialist, #1387 of 1993 🔗

Hence why there is no ONS survey anymore…

368669 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #1388 of 1993 🔗

Most of the deaths in April were due to the genius decision to dump the frail elderly out of their hospital beds and back into care homes where they didn’t get proper medical care and/or infected the rest. Long as that doesn’t happen again it will be less I’m sure.

368557 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 8, #1389 of 1993 🔗

A quick poll about whether or not people agree about vaccines being mandatory to take a flight. At the moment it’s 54% in favour so let’s level it up a bit. https://www.escape.com.au/news/qantas-covid-vaccine-rule-slammed-by-world-travel-and-tourism-council/news-story/4633c8da68fcc4c08ea7eba6579f7057?fbclid=IwAR2EEF_dNkWYW42LCC0STTQqt8Vc-HqxogMFmBfJz26Ms2L1fwspOnVD3C8

368572 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 8, #1390 of 1993 🔗

Done. And get on TOR to get a new IP address each time so you can vote early and vote often 😉

368694 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1391 of 1993 🔗

Done x 6. TOR is useful. Pity we didn’t have any voting machines.

368574 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 14, #1392 of 1993 🔗

Its obvious why they’re doing it, government pressure/bribery, they give quantas monetary backing (ailing industry) in return for mandatory vaccines to travel on flights.

Same as supermarkets, running up to the crack down there was some political theatre with an exchange between them & gov, gov blaming them for increased cases, a backroom deal between them & gov for future “supermarket sweeteners” brought the CEO’s inline.

Anything to do with governance of the country that is performed openly to the public is just political theatre, the real stuff happens behind closed doors.

368578 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1393 of 1993 🔗

They’ve managed to racketize Covid into a large portion of GDP.

It’s worked so well, why stop?

368580 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1394 of 1993 🔗

Johnson allowing SAGE cabal free rein in the belief that the vaccine and development in their new facilities are going to be a huge boost to the economy

368626 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #1395 of 1993 🔗

When the government discovers just how stupid and gullible most of the public are they go full tilt to profit by it.

368724 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #1396 of 1993 🔗

54% fearful ones. Might include some that make bucks from everything that would be necessary to pull it off.

369147 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Nottheonly1, 1, #1397 of 1993 🔗

53% now.

369181 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to stevie119, #1398 of 1993 🔗

When it reaches 50%, the airline will wrap it up and say that an overwhelming majority is for a vaccine pass as a prerequisite for boarding…

368577 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 11, #1399 of 1993 🔗

Anyone know of a Covid death where cancer was mentioned on the death certificate?

368665 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1400 of 1993 🔗

Anyone know of a covid death?

368712 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Old Bill, 4, #1401 of 1993 🔗

No. Here it is always : I know someone, that knows someone, that knows someone whose cousin/uncle/mother/father/brother/sister/grandma/grandpa died of covid.

368583 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 26, #1402 of 1993 🔗

Biden in the most depressing inauguration speech ever. All sitting in the freezing cold, masks on every single one of them. His message, let’s unite. Pointless

Are there any regular crowds there at all?

368588 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 17, #1403 of 1993 🔗

lowest crowd for any president ever

368622 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to steve_w, 13, #1404 of 1993 🔗

The next President of the United States of America:

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368697 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to bebophaircut, #1405 of 1993 🔗

I’d take it any day over anything that has been occupying the Swamp House over the last decades. Has the added benefit to have someone who knows its ways in the swamp.

368820 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to bebophaircut, #1406 of 1993 🔗

An improvement on the past lot.

368663 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to steve_w, 5, #1407 of 1993 🔗

ah, but he had the highest number of votes! makes so much sense, doesn’t it

368687 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to JaneHarry, #1408 of 1993 🔗

Awkwardly reminiscent of a Disney movie.

368716 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #1409 of 1993 🔗

Yeah. Sure. Right.

368718 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #1410 of 1993 🔗

Yes, he was polling around 11% among Democrats throughout the primaries, could barely get a few thousand on his massive online events, & got well over 10 million more votes than Obama. makes perfect sense! 🙂

368798 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to steve_w, 2, #1411 of 1993 🔗

and votes

368596 ▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1412 of 1993 🔗

Republicans ought to run a petition to count the number of folk who voted republican. As an academic exercise. I presume such a national undertaking would be outlawed.

368607 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1413 of 1993 🔗

Note the number of people who are double masking.

368704 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Puddleglum, 6, #1414 of 1993 🔗

The latest findings recommend at least triple masking. The first mask to prevent others from getting sick. The second one to prevent oneself to get sick. And the third one to back up the first two.

Are these people masochists? Why not plug the mouth and nose?

368739 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Nottheonly1, 6, #1415 of 1993 🔗

I might genuinely recommend duct tape to them. It’s the only way to be sure.

369142 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #1416 of 1993 🔗

I believe cling film is effective.

369133 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Puddleglum, #1417 of 1993 🔗

Is there a correlative link between those who approve of multiple masking and those who are complicit in multiple voting, we ask?

368639 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1418 of 1993 🔗

Only watched while passing by the TV and spotted two nodding off in the huddle (can’t really use the word crowd), including Obama. It was so fucking dreary, and I’m told it was only 20 minutes long in reality – just felt like slow-motion.
I wonder, are they going to get rid of him due to ill-health or are they going to go for something dramatic that they can pin on Trump supporters and/or Russia. Considering Pelosi and Clinton are in charge, I’d guess dramatic.

368759 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #1419 of 1993 🔗

He ought to stay away from book depositories.

368763 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1420 of 1993 🔗

pity the theatres are all closed.. maybe they will re-open them next week

368657 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1421 of 1993 🔗

His message: let’s unite….And crush our opposition, and treat them like domestic terrorists, for the crime of not voting for us.

368706 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to LMS2, #1422 of 1993 🔗

The camps are ready.

368719 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Nottheonly1, #1423 of 1993 🔗

Not yet.

But they will be.

368837 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to LMS2, #1424 of 1993 🔗

What makes you say ‘Not yet’, LMS2 ?

368713 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1425 of 1993 🔗

“It was never about COVID or civil unrest.

Truth is, Biden simply could not generate an inauguration crowd and the optics would have been devastating.”

“Biden has Maybe 2,000 Attendees at Inauguration — and 25,000 Military — Just Like They Do in Lawless Banana Republics”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/biden-maybe-2000-attendees-inauguration-25000-military-just-like-lawless-banana-republics/

There weren’t 81 million people who voted for him, and everyone knows it, even if they pretend otherwise.
He probably only got around 65 million votes, maximum, from the people who’d vote for a dead donkey as long as it wore a blue rosette.

368730 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1426 of 1993 🔗

It probably sounds better in Mandarin.

368736 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1427 of 1993 🔗

Garbage In, Garbage Out

368597 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 7, #1428 of 1993 🔗

TIME FOR ANOTHER RE-WRITE!

Covid in Scotland: Peacetime excess deaths highest since 1891 – BBC News

No acknowledgement of population size and the recent significant aging of the scottish population for genuine context and understanding.

368623 ▶▶ NickR, replying to tony rattray, 10, #1429 of 1993 🔗

Scotland currently has the lowest rate of death they’ve ever had since Euromomo started recording such things.

368695 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, 3, #1430 of 1993 🔗

Ireland even more so

368698 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to tony rattray, 4, #1431 of 1993 🔗

Spike caused by the NHS emptying hospitals.

The patients weren’t there for fun.

368606 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #1432 of 1993 🔗

A survey about the BBC. Have fun people!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/send/u61149175

368658 ▶▶ mj, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 11, #1433 of 1993 🔗

completing it doesnt work.. i completed it two weeks ago and BBC is still shite

368611 NickR, replying to NickR, 23, #1434 of 1993 🔗

Just to illustrate the disgraceful misreporting by both the Government & the BBC about death numbers. The actual will be about 50% of today’s hysterical reporting & even then relatively few of those will be excess deaths.

368640 ▶▶ Basics, replying to NickR, 9, #1435 of 1993 🔗

Thanks NickR. You have been a huge help to many during these days. Posting the visuals.

368644 ▶▶ Basics, replying to NickR, 5, #1436 of 1993 🔗

Stack ’em and rack ’em.

Stack ’em on one side for a day or two then rack ’em on the same day and cause more panic.

368653 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to NickR, 6, #1437 of 1993 🔗

There’s always a drop over the weekend. They should be reporting according to date of death, not when they’re recorded, which can be days or even weeks out.
If they’re going to record it as they do currently, it should be with a caveat, i.e. point out these deaths didn’t all occur yesterday.

368672 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to LMS2, 4, #1438 of 1993 🔗

The German way: saving them up to give the population a much higher number and thus freak them out more. Sadly, the Germans have really learned nothing. Now it is them who are the subject of a new endlösung.

368939 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Nottheonly1, 1, #1439 of 1993 🔗

Merkel is now trying to force Germany’s neighbours to implement the same restrictions as Germany, otherwise, she will close the borders with them.
Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen, Part3.

369023 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to JayBee, 3, #1440 of 1993 🔗

I just did facetime with my Dad who turned 87 today. He and my soon to be 89 year old Mom are considerably well. Appalling however is what they are dished out by the German regime. It is obvious that the German population was incapacitated after the war. Merkel et al are using the conditioning of the Germans to never rise against authority. They are a broken collective – unable to rid themselves of Merkel et al. Because if You say something – You are a Nazi. The same number as in the land of the original free and brave. Against the existing evidence – the regime is trebling down on their oppression. They are outfitting internment camps for Lockup dissenters and those who no longer want to wear a mask. Domestic terrorists that belong into psychiatric wards as she said. The most blatant display of psychological projection ever. The only people who need to locked away in rubber cells are Merkel and her ridiculous helferleins.

368659 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to NickR, 2, #1441 of 1993 🔗

Have we got data available to produce a histogram of non-rona deaths in this style, and would it show a winter trough?

368668 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to TheBluePill, 12, #1442 of 1993 🔗

Yes, in fact I want to see the stats for cardiovascular deaths, dementia, deaths and cancer deaths since this madness started – compared to previous years.

I am confident of substantial falls in all of these. It is in fact an arithmetical necessity.

368683 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to rockoman, 6, #1443 of 1993 🔗

Yes. Suicide numbers. Where are the suicide numbers next to the alleged covid fatalities? Not rocket science to identify a suicide. And of course the numbers for the last 20 years for comparison. But I concede – that might be too obvious and reveal the intention for spiking numbers.

368686 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to rockoman, 13, #1444 of 1993 🔗

I have the charts for Canada and that’s exactly what has happened. The deaths from all other causes have gone down in the proportion that the deaths from Covid have gone up. When deaths from cardiovascular disease and cancer are down significantly from one month to the next, it’s quite clear something is going on. There is a consistency to those numbers, so when they falI dramatically this way they make it obvious they’ve re-allocated these deaths to Covid in order to obscure the fact there was very little change in all-cause mortality for 2020. It’s sickening, to put it mildly.

368956 ▶▶▶▶▶ DThom, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1445 of 1993 🔗

Are they really building camps for virus dissidents? In Canada

368863 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #1446 of 1993 🔗

The following is a quote from the latest PHE all cause mortality weekly report ( https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/952280/Weekly_report_mortality__w2.pdf ):
All-cause death registrations (ONS), England and Wales In week 53 2020, an estimated 10,069 all-cause deaths were registered in England and Wales (source: Office for National Statistics). This is decrease compared to the 11,520 estimated death registrations in week 52 2020 .
The 2nd week of January 2018 had 15,000 deaths, 50% higher than the 1st week of 2021 at 10,069.
You can’t show what you want because covid deaths aren’t really covid deaths. If you subtract all covid deaths from all deaths you’d have by miles the lowest deaths ever, so we know the only figure to look at is ‘all-cause’ mortality. And even then, I know from my own circle we have old people dying from dehydration leading to a stay in hospital & subsequent death.

368662 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to NickR, #1447 of 1993 🔗

The age of shamelessness. And I was hoping Aquarius would make things better.

368614 Nottheonly1, replying to Nottheonly1, #1448 of 1993 🔗

Maybe You can spare some time to watch this documentary. It reveals to a large degree, why humanity is experiencing, what it is experiencing at the present moment.

https://thoughtmaybe.com/the-superior-human/

It might create great discomfort to those who believe that praying will solve the dilemma homo sapiens has maneuvered itself into. But just like for voting, the Einsteinian wisdom applies: You cannot solve Your problems with the same thinking You created them.

And yes, wikipedia et al are now discrediting that Albert ever said that. But it does not take an iota away from its validity.

368779 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nottheonly1, 1, #1449 of 1993 🔗

Praying <> thinking.

369323 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to JohnB, #1450 of 1993 🔗

What about people with healing ministries? You want to look up Damian Stayne. Even the cynical BBC hack was impressed. His book Renew Your Wonders explains it quite well, I think.

368886 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nottheonly1, #1451 of 1993 🔗

Thanks enjoyed that, pretty much inline with my own beliefs/values, its only flaw is that humans are evidently one of the most successful species over others at least in the short term & may well have forced everything into extinction.

368619 Cheezilla, 2, #1452 of 1993 🔗
368625 BJJ, replying to BJJ, 1, #1453 of 1993 🔗

A cynical and a deeply unethical question. Is there anything in this for a sceptic?

368632 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to BJJ, #1454 of 1993 🔗

In what?

369187 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to rockoman, #1455 of 1993 🔗

Well, you´re in a room with a lot of people and everybody is afraid except you. You know there is nothing to be afraid of. How do you gain from it?

368634 ▶▶ Basics, replying to BJJ, 2, #1456 of 1993 🔗

Tea and medals.

368664 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to BJJ, 1, #1457 of 1993 🔗

Laughter.

368627 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 64, #1458 of 1993 🔗

Killer Covid!

368631 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Bella Donna, 29, #1459 of 1993 🔗

It killed journalism too.

368636 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Basics, 20, #1460 of 1993 🔗

That was on death’s door anyway.

368651 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to LMS2, 14, #1461 of 1993 🔗

under lying co morbidities

368647 bebophaircut, #1462 of 1993 🔗

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-48629469

Pirbright Institute for animal diseases. June 2019.

368648 dhid, replying to dhid, 27, #1463 of 1993 🔗

Don’t know if this has been mentioned, but Dorset plod are stating that an officer who policed a lockdown protest in Bournemouth and caught Covid whilst doing it , is seriously ill in hospital.

I would really love them to prove that………

The BS just grows worse.

368656 ▶▶ Kyle Reese, replying to dhid, 19, #1464 of 1993 🔗

.

368660 ▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, 1, #1465 of 1993 🔗

Edit to original post:

Local rag says it can’t be proved that he caught it there, but Wave 105 radio states they said he did in a news item.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/19025843.constable-hospital-covid-anti-lockdown-rally/

368673 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to dhid, 9, #1466 of 1993 🔗

Wave 105.

Is that where we are now?

368680 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to rockoman, 3, #1467 of 1993 🔗

Lol – could be – don’t give them ideas!

368692 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to dhid, #1468 of 1993 🔗

They can’t possibly know that.

368699 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to LMS2, #1469 of 1993 🔗

Exactly.

368708 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to dhid, 9, #1470 of 1993 🔗

After the MSM scaremongering a few weeks ago about thousands of people catching covid from a supermarket, Public Health England director Isabel Oliver put out a statement rubbishing the blatant misinformation – saying that data “does not prove where” people get covid-19, just gives them possible ideas of places they may have been in the last, eg. 2-3 weeks.

368721 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #1471 of 1993 🔗

Interestingly radio station have just had another news but no suggestion that he actually caught it there now – plod federation “spokesperson” appeared to be angling for plod to get vaccine now.

368671 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to dhid, 7, #1472 of 1993 🔗

New Bournemouth variant, 99.9% more or less transmissible no doubt

368676 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Paulus, 3, #1473 of 1993 🔗

I think this one is the “Town Hall” variant or may be the “Beach Bench” variant.

I’m sure they’ll get it right eventually….

368806 ▶▶ leggy, replying to dhid, 3, #1474 of 1993 🔗

Is that the same plod who are the worst abusers of distancing guidelines in the country? Yeah, must have caught it from a filthy protester, of course.

368871 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to dhid, 7, #1476 of 1993 🔗

In that case the police would be well advised to stay away from antilockdown protests. After all if that saves one policeman’s life…

369177 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to dhid, 1, #1477 of 1993 🔗

Completely impossible to assess when/where an infection is contracted unless you spend a significant time before in a sterile environment and return to it until diagnosed. Utter bollocks.

just trying to smokescreen the brutal arrest and shackling of two middle aged women.

368666 jb12, replying to jb12, 12, #1478 of 1993 🔗

Two comments, and I am happy to be corrected on the second:

i) If Dolores Cahill has indeed sequenced 1500 PCR specimens from October and found that they were all Influenza A or B, why hasn’t anyone else in the English-speaking world done this?

ii) I have been thinking about Peter Doshi’s submission to the BMJ ( https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/ ) about the withdrawal of over 3000 symptomatic participants from the Pfizer vaccine trials as they had either tested PCR negative or were not tested at all. My conclusion is that the vaccine efficacy of 95% is in fact a measure of the effectiveness of the vaccine in reducing positive PCR tests rather than reducing Covid infections. Which has a nice symmetry with the whole situation being built on the back of PCR testing!

368682 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to jb12, 2, #1479 of 1993 🔗

Nice – but does’t sit well with exploding ‘case’ numbers in Israel and the UAE, which are leading the vaccination campaign.

368778 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to jb12, 7, #1480 of 1993 🔗

I f Dolores Cahill has indeed sequenced 1500 PCR specimens from October and found that they were all Influenza A or B, why hasn’t anyone else in the English-speaking world done this?

I’d guess because she is head and shoulders above nearly all the others who call themselves scientists ?

368868 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to jb12, 2, #1481 of 1993 🔗

Don’t think Prof C said she sequenced the 1500, she didn’t say who did, didn’t give much details.
She did say she would do her own sequencing, but gave no timescale, hope she cracks on, PCR debunk seems more urgent than setting up an airline imo, there’s plenty of them already

368674 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #1482 of 1993 🔗

This may have already been posted, but if it’s not…Morris